| tritium | thanks, sistpoty :) | 12:01 |
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| bddebian | slomo: If you build it they will come | 12:01 |
| tseng | slomo: look up maininclusionrequirements iirc on the wiki | 12:01 |
| tritium | bddebian, did I not tell you I'd be moving back? | 12:01 |
| bddebian | slomo: Or get mythtv for tseng :-) | 12:01 |
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| bddebian | tritium: I don't recall so, but I'm braindead :-) | 12:01 |
| tseng | sorry im too braindead to do real work lately | 12:02 |
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| tritium | bddebian, time to pay my employer back for sending me to school | 12:02 |
| tseng | i hope pointing people in directions is helpful | 12:02 |
| bddebian | tritium: Ah yes, that would be nice :-) | 12:02 |
| ajmitch | tseng: I can pickup some mono fun as well if you want | 12:02 |
| tritium | Anyway, gotta go get my wife and take her to dinner...see you all later. | 12:02 |
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| bddebian | Later tritium, enjoy | 12:02 |
| bddebian | bah | 12:02 |
| slomo | tseng: ok, i'll try to get it into main then... thanks :) | 12:02 |
| tseng | ajmitch: i will probably clean up anything left over on Sunday | 12:02 |
| sistpoty | has anyone got a working sbuild-setup? | 12:03 |
| bddebian | I gotta head home, later gang | 12:03 |
| sistpoty | cya, bddebian | 12:03 |
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| slomo | hmm... the Section part in debian/control of universe packages shouldn't be universe/bla, it should be just bla... right? | 12:07 |
| tseng | yeah universe is controled seperately | 12:08 |
| tseng | ie, things not whitelisted as "main" | 12:08 |
| tseng | (or restricted or multiverse)_ | 12:08 |
| slomo | ok... i was just puzzled when i saw universe/python in bddebian's package ;) | 12:09 |
| Tonio- | little question concerning the packaging.... | 12:09 |
| Tonio- | Apparently, I still have .sub and .guess in diff and I should perform make clean before packaging... | 12:09 |
| Tonio- | Which moment do I have to do it ? | 12:09 |
| Tonio- | after dh_make ? | 12:10 |
| comadreja | slomo : ping | 12:16 |
| slomo | comadreja: pong | 12:17 |
| comadreja | :) I need your knowledge again :D | 12:17 |
| comadreja | I have some files in package.install but they don't get installed | 12:17 |
| comadreja | this cdbs :) | 12:17 |
| slomo | you have package in control? paste me the content of the file in a query ;) | 12:18 |
| comadreja | ok | 12:18 |
| ajmitch | comadreja: package name matches what is in control? | 12:20 |
| ajmitch | included debhelper.mk in rules? | 12:20 |
| comadreja | yep, everything else works | 12:21 |
| comadreja | yes, included | 12:21 |
| sistpoty | ok, i'm off to bed... cya | 12:25 |
| tseng | bye sistpoty | 12:25 |
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| chillywilly | buuurp | 12:47 |
| ajmitch | yes, thankyou for your valuable contribution | 12:53 |
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| \sh | re | 01:52 |
| Lathiat | so whats the current pending work | 01:53 |
| slomo | wb \sh | 01:54 |
| \sh | wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUToMerge | 01:54 |
| ajmitch | still plenty of merges, filing RFPs, nicely filing patches for changes we've made, into debian BTS | 01:54 |
| \sh | hey slomo | 01:54 |
| ajmitch | besides any other breakage that we have to fix like GLU, C++ :) | 01:54 |
| \sh | slomo: imms | 01:54 |
| \sh | In file included from ../immscore/imms.h:9, from ../immsd/immsd.cc:7: | 01:55 |
| \sh | ../immscore/xidle.h:5:22: error: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory | 01:55 |
| |QuaD- | breezy xlibs = b0rked? | 01:55 |
| slomo | \sh: wonderfull... but why does it build on every other architecture then? :/ | 01:55 |
| \sh | slomo: I added libx11-dev,libxss-dev | 01:55 |
| \sh | but I think it's more then that on amd64 | 01:55 |
| ajmitch | Lathiat: so don't worry, you won't run out of work to do! :) | 01:56 |
| Lathiat | hrm so i cant see anything needing work on the ToMerge page | 01:56 |
| Lathiat | how can i determine leftover cxx stuff? | 01:56 |
| ajmitch | Lathiat: click the bug list URL | 01:56 |
| \sh | Lathiat: wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseUnmetDeps | 01:57 |
| \sh | is for cxx apps stuff | 01:57 |
| ajmitch | \sh: right, I think we need to update that list though | 01:58 |
| === ajmitch can't remember the shell/apt magic to get it | ||
| slomo | \sh: does it build now? | 01:58 |
| \sh | slomo: no | 01:58 |
| ajmitch | aha, apt-cache unmet | 01:59 |
| Lathiat | ajmitch: yeh usefull :) | 01:59 |
| \sh | slomo: this is configure status | 01:59 |
| \sh | checking for XFlush in -lX11... no | 01:59 |
| \sh | checking for XextFindDisplay in -lXext... no | 01:59 |
| \sh | checking for XScreenSaverQueryInfo in -lXss... no | 01:59 |
| \sh | checking for X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h... no | 01:59 |
| \sh | but libxss-dev and libx11-dev should give all that, but i can be, that configure.ac is completly wrong | 01:59 |
| slomo | \sh: nice... what does config.log say? | 01:59 |
| \sh | configure:5830: g++ -o conftest -g -O2 -I/usr/include/taglib -shared -L/usr/X11R6/lib conftest.cc -lXss -lpcre -lsqlite3 -lz -ltag >&5 | 02:00 |
| \sh | /usr/bin/ld: /tmp/ccKPhvjk.o: relocation R_X86_64_PC32 against `XScreenSaverQueryInfo' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC | 02:00 |
| \sh | /usr/bin/ld: final link failed: Bad value | 02:00 |
| slomo | hm... already added -fPIC to CFLAGS? (or LDFLAGS?) | 02:01 |
| \sh | it's in Xss | 02:02 |
| \sh | checking for X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h... no | 02:02 |
| \sh | configure: WARNING: XScreenSaver is missing. | 02:02 |
| \sh | Xss must be recompiled | 02:02 |
| slomo | hmm but that's only on amd64? | 02:04 |
| \sh | yes | 02:04 |
| \sh | libXss and libX11 are behaving like this | 02:04 |
| Lathiat | Would it be a bad idea to set APTCACHEDIR to /var/cache/apt/archives ? | 02:06 |
| \sh | who set monotone to pending upload now? | 02:07 |
| \sh | he/she has to fix it ,-) | 02:07 |
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| slomo | bddebian: your python-pyrtf upload is in the archive... but you can fix it in a few minutes ;) | 02:09 |
| bddebian | slomo: I can fix it? What's wrong. | 02:10 |
| bddebian | slomo: Hi btw :-) | 02:10 |
| Tonio- | anyone here has a little howto for cdbs ? cause I'm readding a doc about 30 pages and fill a bit lots ;) | 02:10 |
| slomo | Tonio-: as your packages use autotools you're maybe done with this rules: https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml#id2453401 | 02:11 |
| \sh | Tonio-: please learn debhelper first...before u start bitching around with cdbs..please | 02:11 |
| \sh | it's better to know the basics first | 02:12 |
| === \sh sounds really like ogra | ||
| Tonio- | okay ;) | 02:12 |
| \sh | Tonio-: I'm telling you this, because cdbs can be a real pain in da a** | 02:12 |
| \sh | if you don't know where to look, when something's wrong, then u r lost..really | 02:13 |
| Tonio- | but it appear to be very important to use it isn't it ? | 02:13 |
| \sh | so when you can read makefiles and come to terms with plain debhelper it's easier for u to determine bugs in cdbs | 02:13 |
| \sh | Tonio-: important is to read makefiles | 02:13 |
| slomo | \sh: how do i set the directory where dh_install installs everything into? | 02:13 |
| Tonio- | k | 02:13 |
| \sh | slomo: are u installing evering into debian/tmp/<package>/? | 02:14 |
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| \sh | slomo: normally u set dh_install --sourcedir=<source> <file> <destdir> and destdir depends on your package... | 02:15 |
| Tonio- | so just to be sure I understand well, when you want to use cdbs, you have to create manually the rules files according to the makefile structure is that correct ? | 02:16 |
| slomo | \sh: nope... debian/package | 02:16 |
| \sh | slomo: then u don't need dh_install | 02:17 |
| \sh | dh_install will move normally from debian/tmp/usr/bin/bla to debian/<package>/usr/bin/bla if in package.install usr/bin/bla is set (see man dh_install note on --autodest) | 02:17 |
| slomo | \sh: ok, what is to be done when i have a file named package in debian/? ;) | 02:18 |
| \sh | create a package.install ,-) | 02:19 |
| \sh | ah you mean u have a file in debian/bla | 02:20 |
| slomo | yes | 02:20 |
| \sh | or debian/blubb and u want to move it to the install dir | 02:20 |
| \sh | ? | 02:20 |
| \sh | mv $(CURDIR)/debian/blubb $(CURDIR)/debian/<package>/<destination> | 02:21 |
| \sh | bah...it's 2:21 ,-) | 02:21 |
| \sh | or better s/mv/cp/ | 02:22 |
| slomo | well ok, from the beginning :) i have a file named packagename in debian/ this has to be installed in /usr/bin later... but as dh_install puts all stuff in a directory named debian/packagename the file gets overwritten and everything is broken ;) | 02:22 |
| \sh | or use $(INSTALL) if it's available if not `install` will do the same and sets perms and owner correctly and creates directories | 02:22 |
| \sh | ah ok.. | 02:23 |
| \sh | then rename the file debian/packagename to debian/packagename.tobeinstalled | 02:23 |
| \sh | then $(INSTALL) <whateveryouneed> $(CURDIR)/debian/packagename.tobeinstalled <destdir>/packagename | 02:23 |
| slomo | ok, thanks :) | 02:24 |
| \sh | but it's better to put the file debian/packagename into the upstream tar.gz and create a new orig.tar.gz | 02:24 |
| \sh | so u have a cleaner diff.gz | 02:25 |
| \sh | and if it's binary, debdiff is not complaining ,-) | 02:25 |
| slomo | i used dh_install to install the file but as destination is always a directory you can't rename the file with dh_install ;) | 02:25 |
| slomo | hmm changing the upstream tarball? i thought that is evil? | 02:25 |
| \sh | that's right..u have to do the install dance normally | 02:25 |
| \sh | depends | 02:25 |
| slomo | on what? ;) | 02:26 |
| comadreja | make: *** No rule to make target `unpatch'. Stop. | 02:26 |
| comadreja | I get that when trying to dpatch-edit-patch | 02:27 |
| \sh | slomo: what the debian/packagename file is | 02:27 |
| \sh | comadreja: but it uses dpatch already? | 02:27 |
| comadreja | it's cdbs enabled | 02:27 |
| \sh | then please use simple-patchsys | 02:28 |
| comadreja | I just included the dpatch line | 02:28 |
| \sh | no forget dpatch | 02:28 |
| \sh | cdbs comes with cdbs-edit-patch | 02:28 |
| comadreja | awesome, I hate dpatch :D | 02:28 |
| \sh | but normall diff -ur is also quite good :) I don't like those automatic tools ;) | 02:29 |
| slomo | \sh: i don't like them either ;) feels like loosing control... | 02:30 |
| jbailey | \sh: Life sucks when it's too easy for you? =) | 02:30 |
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| bddebian | :) | 02:30 |
| bddebian | Does synced mean straight from Debian and merged mean merged with existing Ubuntu patches??? | 02:32 |
| \sh | jbailey: well..no :) | 02:33 |
| \sh | jbailey: but I have to see what I'm doing and what I'm patching | 02:33 |
| \sh | bddebian: yes | 02:33 |
| \sh | jbailey: but it helps with some nasty merges a lot those automatic tools..especially when the merge.diff is patching the source without using debian/patches/* ,-) | 02:34 |
| \sh | configure: error: Can't find libm. Please check config.log and if you can't solve the problem send the file to torcs-users@lists.sourceforge.net with the subject "torcs compilation problem" | 02:34 |
| \sh | ekks | 02:34 |
| \sh | thats too much for me at night.. | 02:34 |
| jbailey | \sh: Got aconfig.log? | 02:35 |
| jbailey | Nothing should ever fail to find libm. =) | 02:35 |
| bddebian | \sh: thx | 02:35 |
| \sh | jbailey: yes... | 02:36 |
| slomo | bddebian: looked at my comment to your python-pyrtf upload? | 02:37 |
| \sh | configure:21031: g++ -o conftest -g -Wall -O2 -Wall -fPIC -O2 -DUSE_RANDR_EXT -L conftest.cc -lm >&5 | 02:37 |
| \sh | /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.0.2/../../../crt1.o: In function `_start': | 02:38 |
| \sh | ../sysdeps/i386/elf/start.S:115: undefined reference to `main' | 02:38 |
| \sh | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status | 02:38 |
| jbailey | Huu... | 02:38 |
| jbailey | Does conftest.cc contain a main? | 02:38 |
| \sh | please excuse for this mess now :) | 02:39 |
| \sh | | #ifdef __cplusplus | 02:39 |
| \sh | | extern "C" | 02:39 |
| \sh | | #endif | 02:39 |
| \sh | | /* We use char because int might match the return type of a gcc2 | 02:39 |
| \sh | | builtin and then its argument prototype would still apply. */ | 02:39 |
| \sh | | char sin (); | 02:39 |
| \sh | | int | 02:39 |
| \sh | | main () | 02:39 |
| \sh | | { | 02:39 |
| \sh | | sin (); | 02:39 |
| \sh | | ; | 02:39 |
| \sh | | return 0; | 02:39 |
| \sh | | } | 02:39 |
| bddebian | slomo: Not yet, waiting to get kids in bed :-) | 02:39 |
| \sh | if you have some tips or tricks send it to sh@sourcecode.de :) | 02:40 |
| \sh | I'm going to bed now | 02:40 |
| slomo | gn8 \sh :) | 02:41 |
| \sh | off to bed :) cheers guys | 02:41 |
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| === chillywilly tries not to get trampled | ||
| ajmitch | chillywilly: to avoid getting trampled, you can help with the merging :) | 04:36 |
| chillywilly | hehe | 04:36 |
| ajmitch | helping out is a condition of being in here ;) | 04:37 |
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| bddebian | ajmitch: Bah, says who? ;-P | 04:59 |
| crimsun | leaving vlc until wxwidgets2.6 enters main. | 05:01 |
| bddebian | :-) | 05:01 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: says me | 05:02 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: doing the same for boa-constructor :) | 05:02 |
| === ajmitch hopes it gets there soon | ||
| ajmitch | but boa-constructor would have to break UVF | 05:02 |
| Lathiat | hrm anyone know about postgresql deps? | 05:05 |
| Lathiat | looking at grass, it fails on checking for libpq-fe.h... no | 05:05 |
| ajmitch | ah, you'd have to blame pitti there | 05:05 |
| Lathiat | but it does exist | 05:05 |
| Lathiat | and it seems to be in the package | 05:05 |
| ajmitch | he did changes things around | 05:05 |
| Lathiat | ajmitch: oh its in the wrong spot or something? | 05:05 |
| ajmitch | got libpq-dev? | 05:05 |
| Lathiat | yeh i have libpq-dev | 05:05 |
| Lathiat | i can only suspect its looking in the wrong spot? | 05:05 |
| ajmitch | possibly | 05:06 |
| ajmitch | all I know is that he made some changes :) | 05:06 |
| Lathiat | and hes conveniently not online :P | 05:07 |
| Lathiat | http://bur.st/~lathiat/ubuntu/rezound.diff | 05:07 |
| Lathiat | simple cxx rebuild, who handles that? | 05:07 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Oh yeah, and who are you? ;-) | 05:07 |
| chillywilly | he's a slave driver ;) | 05:08 |
| ajmitch | chillywilly: of course | 05:08 |
| bddebian | chillywilly: No shix man :-) | 05:08 |
| bddebian | Oops I'm not supposed to fake swear | 05:08 |
| bddebian | Where is Seth_k anyway? | 05:09 |
| chillywilly | little does he know that he will be doing my bidding | 05:10 |
| bddebian | heh | 05:10 |
| chillywilly | ajmitch: you get cross-subnet/cross-workgroup browsing over my VPN tunnel via samba WINS server and I will do anything you want me to do ;) | 05:10 |
| chillywilly | get it working for me that is :) | 05:11 |
| bddebian | d00d, DONT use WINS!!! | 05:12 |
| Lathiat | where are the FTBS logs | 05:12 |
| chillywilly | bddebian: there's not other way to do it over a routed VPN tunnel | 05:12 |
| chillywilly | no* | 05:12 |
| bddebian | chillywilly: Is it truly an NT domain or W2K+? | 05:13 |
| chillywilly | um, well at corporate I have the samba server | 05:13 |
| chillywilly | with winXP machines on a "workgroup" | 05:13 |
| |QuaD- | how well do NT or AD domains work on linux? how easy is the setup? | 05:13 |
| bddebian | |QuaD-: Pretty easy | 05:13 |
| chillywilly | then I tunnel from my home network whioch has 2 samba sever configured to use the WINS server on that end | 05:14 |
| chillywilly | workgroup here is LET | 05:14 |
| |QuaD- | bddebian: i am considering taking an old box and putting ubuntu on it and using it at work | 05:14 |
| chillywilly | FRODO and GANDALF are the hosts | 05:14 |
| |QuaD- | right now its a windows only operation | 05:14 |
| bddebian | chillywilly: So just add hosts entries darnit :-) | 05:14 |
| chillywilly | there's a bunch of boxes on the corp IT network | 05:14 |
| |QuaD- | chillywilly: OUR webmaster used to name them LOTR chars too | 05:14 |
| chillywilly | that does not make browsing work | 05:14 |
| |QuaD- | i changed the naming to citys | 05:14 |
| chillywilly | I have /etc/hosts entries for everything | 05:14 |
| bddebian | chillywilly: It can. | 05:15 |
| bddebian | chillywilly: What are you trying to browse with? | 05:15 |
| chillywilly | I suppose I can put hosts in the revolve order thingy | 05:15 |
| bddebian | Aye | 05:15 |
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| chillywilly | nautilus and/or winXP when I am at work :) | 05:15 |
| |QuaD- | my goal is to replace our exchange server with something like hula | 05:15 |
| |QuaD- | problem is, exchange really does a nice job | 05:15 |
| chillywilly | I have a Ubuntu and WinXP box on my desk at work | 05:15 |
| bddebian | chillywilly: If you have to you could even add LMHOSTS entries to the Windows boxen | 05:15 |
| chillywilly | an* | 05:15 |
| bddebian | |QuaD-: You didn't actually say that did you?? ;-) | 05:16 |
| chillywilly | that's true but this all seems like a pain in the ass | 05:16 |
| chillywilly | I eventually want to tie together all MX machines into one big network via openvpn | 05:16 |
| chillywilly | we have 16 locations nation wide | 05:16 |
| bddebian | So is WINS over a router, I told you that :-) | 05:16 |
| |QuaD- | bddebian: i don't like microsoft, but i think they did well with exchange, incredibly easy to admin | 05:16 |
| bddebian | |QuaD-: Yep | 05:16 |
| === chillywilly slaps bddebian around some :) | ||
| bddebian | |QuaD-: Though Exchange 2K is a little squirrely with the AD integration I think | 05:17 |
| |QuaD- | bddebian: and it has a lot of functionality, i can't find a free linux product that is as functional | 05:17 |
| |QuaD- | bddebian: we are using 5.5 :) | 05:17 |
| bddebian | Ahhh :-) | 05:17 |
| |QuaD- | bddebian: i am deciding between upgrading to 2k3 or some linux groupwar | 05:17 |
| |QuaD- | e | 05:17 |
| |QuaD- | problem is, if something isn't broke, then don't fix it | 05:17 |
| chillywilly | bddebian: my home network is just a "test" for setting up one of our branches ;) | 05:18 |
| |QuaD- | bddebian: do you know of any free exchange alternatives? | 05:18 |
| bddebian | |QuaD-: Have you looked at Exchange4Linux? I haven't looked at it in quite a while | 05:18 |
| chillywilly | I want to go out and buy wrt54gs's and load a customer firmware into them to create our VPN as that seems like a cheap linux-based solution :) | 05:19 |
| |QuaD- | bddebian: no, what is it? | 05:19 |
| chillywilly | custom* | 05:19 |
| |QuaD- | i can't really look now, my X is still b0rked :( | 05:19 |
| chillywilly | just have those routers at each location | 05:19 |
| |QuaD- | and i am getting mad at links/lynx | 05:19 |
| chillywilly | running openvpn and/or samba | 05:19 |
| comadreja | chillywilly I have a wap54g and works great | 05:19 |
| comadreja | chillywilly :) I only have problems with my laptop's wpa_supplicant on startup | 05:20 |
| chillywilly | well with a wrt54gs this device will be their default gateway too :) | 05:20 |
| chillywilly | and they're relatively cheap, ~$70 on newegg.com | 05:20 |
| comadreja | chillywilly I see, I have a linux router as default gateway | 05:20 |
| bddebian | chillywilly: Use a hardware solution, it's usually easier to administer anyway. | 05:21 |
| chillywilly | I have a debian box with 2 nics in it here | 05:21 |
| chillywilly | bddebian: it is a hardware solution | 05:21 |
| comadreja | :) | 05:21 |
| chillywilly | it's a linksys router for crying out loud | 05:21 |
| chillywilly | just happens to run linux :) | 05:21 |
| bddebian | chillywilly: Huh??? | 05:21 |
| chillywilly | which makes it infinitely more configurable | 05:21 |
| chillywilly | I already have the VPN working, just wrestling with winblows networking | 05:22 |
| bddebian | OK, should I fix my python-pyrtf package or continue with merge bugs??? | 05:22 |
| chillywilly | I can ping back and for between the 2 private LANS | 05:22 |
| bddebian | chillywilly: By hostname? | 05:22 |
| chillywilly | sure | 05:22 |
| chillywilly | well no | 05:22 |
| chillywilly | by IP address | 05:22 |
| ajmitch | chillywilly: you don't need broadcast for WINS, I hope? | 05:22 |
| bddebian | Ah ha | 05:22 |
| chillywilly | no, WINS is unicast UDP | 05:22 |
| ajmitch | thought so | 05:23 |
| bddebian | WINS is puke | 05:23 |
| chillywilly | you cannot do broadcast over a tunnel | 05:23 |
| bddebian | Use DNS | 05:23 |
| comadreja | ajmitch openvpn in it's tap mode acts as a layer2 device | 05:23 |
| ajmitch | chillywilly: sure, if it's a layer2 tunnel | 05:23 |
| ajmitch | comadreja: not surprising | 05:23 |
| chillywilly | tap device you mean? | 05:23 |
| ajmitch | I've got a layer 2 tunnel setup here | 05:23 |
| chillywilly | well openvpn doesn't use a layer 2 tunnel then | 05:24 |
| ajmitch | multipoint, does ethernet over udp | 05:24 |
| comadreja | chillywilly yes, you can configure it to be a layer 2 tunnel | 05:24 |
| chillywilly | how? | 05:24 |
| ajmitch | my setup is good for doing ipv6 :) | 05:24 |
| comadreja | chillywilly using the tap device instead of the tun | 05:24 |
| chillywilly | tap sucks | 05:25 |
| comadreja | chillywilly there are documents explaining it | 05:25 |
| chillywilly | I know | 05:25 |
| ajmitch | chillywilly: so does WINS, :P | 05:25 |
| chillywilly | but tap is crappy | 05:25 |
| chillywilly | yes WINS sucks too | 05:25 |
| chillywilly | :) | 05:25 |
| comadreja | everything sucks :D | 05:25 |
| chillywilly | weee | 05:25 |
| comadreja | btw, is there any document on the procedure on how to review pacakges ? | 05:26 |
| chillywilly | I think ssh should be part of ubuntu-desktop | 05:29 |
| chillywilly | drives me nuts when I get home and realize that I have no sshd installed on a machine that is behind the NAT/firewall :( | 05:30 |
| ajmitch | chillywilly: there's a policy of no services by default | 05:30 |
| chillywilly | blah | 05:30 |
| chillywilly | I swear I had it installed too so I am thinking something ripped it out | 05:31 |
| chillywilly | a recent upgrade or whatever | 05:31 |
| chillywilly | maybe not | 05:31 |
| chillywilly | probably jsut forgot to install it after redoing an install | 05:31 |
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| bddebian | ack WTF. I cannot log in to REVU.. :-( | 05:42 |
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| ricosuave17 | hello | 05:51 |
| bddebian | Hello ricosuave17 | 05:53 |
| ricosuave17 | if i make a new .deb can i geti ti to u | 05:54 |
| ajmitch | you can put it up for review & we can take a look at it | 05:55 |
| ricosuave17 | ok ill see what i can do but cant it be uploaded quicker? | 05:55 |
| ajmitch | not without us checking it | 05:56 |
| ricosuave17 | ok but how can u check like 300000 packages a day | 05:57 |
| ajmitch | we don't | 05:57 |
| ricosuave17 | then what do u u do | 05:57 |
| comadreja | we check only new and updated packages | 05:58 |
| ricosuave17 | well dont peolep make lots of those | 06:01 |
| ajmitch | nope | 06:01 |
| ricosuave17 | why not | 06:01 |
| ajmitch | because there are already about 20000 packages in ubuntu | 06:02 |
| ajmitch | and someone would have to care enough about something to package it | 06:02 |
| ricosuave17 | well there are lots of thing on freshmeat that dont have packges | 06:02 |
| ricosuave17 | only rpms | 06:02 |
| ajmitch | if they're useful, feel free to package them | 06:03 |
| ricosuave17 | is it hard to make packags? | 06:04 |
| ajmitch | depends on the software that you're packaging | 06:04 |
| ajmitch | generally, it's not too hard | 06:04 |
| ajmitch | there are a number of things that you need to learn to do it well | 06:05 |
| ricosuave17 | what thingies? | 06:05 |
| bddebian | How to bow to ajmitch for starters ;-) | 06:05 |
| ricosuave17 | ajmitch: ??? | 06:05 |
| bddebian | ricosuave17: You need to understand a little about how Debian/Ubuntu packaging works | 06:06 |
| bddebian | ricosuave17: Try the Debian New Maintainers guide as a good starting point | 06:06 |
| ricosuave17 | ok | 06:06 |
| ricosuave17 | have u seen a packgae for gconfigure | 06:10 |
| bddebian | I haven't personally but that doesn't mean a whole lot :-) | 06:11 |
| ricosuave17 | well anyway. there seems to be no package for it | 06:13 |
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| bddebian | gconfigure is different than gconf2? | 06:17 |
| ajmitch | yes | 06:18 |
| Lathiat | wtf is gconfigure | 06:18 |
| ajmitch | use google, it shows you :) | 06:18 |
| ajmitch | some gui frontend to running ./configure | 06:18 |
| ricosuave17 | yes can someone help me find some equivalnet plz | 06:19 |
| Lathiat | oh thats cool | 06:19 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Who has time for google, I'm trying to merge man.. ;-) | 06:19 |
| ricosuave17 | maybe if xchat had google in it | 06:19 |
| bddebian | Damn I have GOT to create a message filter for bugzilla.. Sheesh | 06:22 |
| ricosuave17 | i think freshmeat should have a deb repostery | 06:22 |
| bddebian | Use alien and convert it if you just want it for yourself | 06:23 |
| ricosuave17 | but well wat if its tar.gz | 06:24 |
| bddebian | ./configure && make :-) | 06:24 |
| ajmitch | then someone has to put in a little effort & package it | 06:24 |
| ricosuave17 | but ./configure wont also work right | 06:25 |
| Lathiat | hrm | 06:25 |
| Lathiat | i take it 'xmkmf' is missing from xutils | 06:26 |
| Lathiat | liek the other things | 06:26 |
| ajmitch | Lathiat: quite likely | 06:26 |
| Lathiat | sigh, this is blocking so many thing | 06:26 |
| Lathiat | s | 06:26 |
| Lathiat | any idea when that'l be fixed? | 06:26 |
| ajmitch | fly to melbourne | 06:27 |
| ajmitch | give daniels some beer | 06:27 |
| ajmitch | repeat step above | 06:27 |
| Lathiat | heh | 06:27 |
| Lathiat | i already owe him a carton | 06:27 |
| ajmitch | although it's probably closer for me to fly to melbourne | 06:27 |
| Lathiat | or i could ask someone to send it for me :) | 06:28 |
| ajmitch | where's the fun in that? | 06:28 |
| bddebian | Lathiat: Yes | 06:29 |
| bddebian | or yes its missing. Its from xutils which got split in xorg I think | 06:29 |
| ajmitch | Lathiat: btw how's the ipv6 stuff going? :) | 06:30 |
| Lathiat | ajmitch: havent really done much lately | 06:30 |
| ajmitch | closest decent tunnel broker for me is aarnet, which is a bit limiting | 06:31 |
| Lathiat | ajmitch: where are you from? | 06:31 |
| Lathiat | and whats wrong with aarnet? | 06:31 |
| ajmitch | dunedin | 06:31 |
| Lathiat | ahh | 06:31 |
| Lathiat | are you on the lca committee? | 06:31 |
| ajmitch | nope | 06:32 |
| ajmitch | I'll probably get dragged into being a volunteer though around LCA time | 06:32 |
| ajmitch | since I worked for one of the committee guys | 06:32 |
| Lathiat | ugh i hate C++ | 06:37 |
| Lathiat | oen link just filled like 1500 liens with errors | 06:38 |
| Lathiat | lots of lovely undefined references | 06:38 |
| ajmitch | better than multi-line template errors | 06:38 |
| ajmitch | where you try & read an error message spanning 10 lines.. | 06:38 |
| Lathiat | heh | 06:38 |
| bddebian | Well gnight folks | 07:00 |
| ajmitch | night bddebian | 07:00 |
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| dholbach | hey | 07:42 |
| dholbach | how's the review day coming on? | 07:42 |
| === ajmitch hasn't reviewed anything yet :) | ||
| ajmitch | since I just got home from work | 07:43 |
| dholbach | poor you :/ | 07:43 |
| ajmitch | hmm, didn't realise that liferea was in universe | 07:46 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:dholbach] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | for reviewing (NEW or updated)? go here: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/ | First priority: MERGING , deadline was 2005-07-21 buglist: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUToMerge | http://wiki.debian.net/?EtchSlang2upgrade | HAPPY REVI | ||
| dholbach | arglargl | 07:47 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:dholbach] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | for reviewing (NEW or updated)? go here: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/ | First priority: MERGING , deadline was 2005-07-21 buglist: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUToMerge | http://wiki.debian.net/?EtchSlang2upgrade | HAPPY REVI | ||
| ajmitch | REVI? :) | 07:47 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:dholbach] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | for reviewing (NEW or updated)? go here: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/ | First priority: MERGING , deadline was 2005-07-21 buglist: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUToMerge | http://wiki.debian.net/?EtchSlang2upgrade | HAPPY REVIEW DAY! :) | ||
| ajmitch | heh | 07:47 |
| crimsun | bbl, need sleep | 07:54 |
| dholbach | sleep tight | 07:54 |
| chillywilly | yaaaay, it works | 08:11 |
| chillywilly | w00t | 08:11 |
| dholbach | chillywilly: whaaaaaaaaaat wooooooooorks? | 08:12 |
| chillywilly | erm, winblows browsing over my openvpn tunnel via samba and WINS | 08:12 |
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| dholbach | excellent | 08:12 |
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| dholbach | who of you still has stuff on MOTUNewPackages and MOTUToReview ? could you please help clean up? | 08:50 |
| dholbach | Unfrgiven: did you see: there's a new FUSA release | 08:50 |
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| dholbach | anthony mercacante? | 08:59 |
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| dholbach | who of you is having fun reviewing as well? :-p | 09:12 |
| dholbach | shall we just trash MOTUNewPackages and MOTUToReview? | 09:13 |
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| dholbach | i'm off to university - see you later - HAPPY REVIEWING! | 09:59 |
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| \sh | moins dholbach :) | 10:38 |
| dholbach | re | 10:38 |
| dholbach | \sh: happy review day :) | 10:39 |
| mitsuhiko | hi | 10:40 |
| \sh | dholbach: hehe :) I'm just arrived at office..totally tired :( | 10:40 |
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| dholbach | i can imagine - how was your night? | 10:40 |
| dholbach | hi mitsuhiko | 10:41 |
| \sh | dholbach: terrible | 10:41 |
| mitsuhiko | small information. the initscript of mldonkey has an mistace. 'if [ -z "$MDLONKEY_DIR" ] ; then' should be 'if [ -z "$MLDONKEY_DIR" ] ; then' | 10:41 |
| \sh | dholbach: 20 services gone cause of the thunderstorm | 10:41 |
| mitsuhiko | hi dholbach | 10:41 |
| dholbach | mitsuhiko: fix it and write a bug report :) | 10:42 |
| dholbach | (to debian) | 10:42 |
| \sh | dholbach: but not on our equipment ... so i had to track down which equipment was the faulty one...tried to reach the other guys...and then tried to get everything running again | 10:42 |
| mitsuhiko | dholbach: ok. I'll do | 10:42 |
| \sh | dholbach: but after 1 1/2h i went back home...and couldn't sleep at all.this morning 6am I felt asleep :( | 10:43 |
| dholbach | ouch :/ | 10:45 |
| \sh | yes..ouch | 10:46 |
| HostingGeek | Google(TM) | 10:50 |
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| dholbach | where are the REVIEW DAY live messages? :) | 11:23 |
| === ogra reviews the merge buglist | ||
| ogra | wow | 11:24 |
| dholbach | looks excellent | 11:25 |
| ogra | yep, down to 72.... 13 of them pending for upload :) | 11:25 |
| ogra | in 7 days down from 240 :) | 11:26 |
| dholbach | we have such a rocking MOTU crew :) | 11:26 |
| ogra | yep :) but next time we should have a better claendar (at least one where people look at) that we dont catch the date one day before deadline.... :) everybody missed it | 11:27 |
| ogra | dholbach, we're missing your good organization :) | 11:28 |
| dholbach | it WAS on the calendar and i put it on MOTUTodo some weeks before :) | 11:28 |
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| dholbach | but you're right, we should have raised awareness to a higher extent | 11:28 |
| ogra | dholbach, that doesnt help if nobody looks at it :) | 11:28 |
| dholbach | true that | 11:28 |
| ogra | and no dholbach pokes us all to look ;) | 11:29 |
| dholbach | merci beaucoup, monsieur :) | 11:29 |
| ogra | ;) | 11:30 |
| dholbach | reviewing min12xxw | 11:32 |
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| dholbach | reviewing ceferino | 11:37 |
| Mez | review day | 11:37 |
| Mez | *bounces* | 11:37 |
| dholbach | woohoo! :) | 11:38 |
| dholbach | who votes in favor of trashing MOTUToReview and MOTUNewPackages? | 11:39 |
| ogra | huh MOTUToReview ? | 11:39 |
| Mez | dholbach, er, | 11:39 |
| ogra | i thought MOTUToReview got trashed long time ago in favor of revu.... the packages shoudl move over | 11:39 |
| dholbach | that's my opinion too | 11:40 |
| Mez | since when was debian/control not needed in a package? | 11:40 |
| dholbach | Mez: debian/control. <--- DOT | 11:40 |
| Mez | ah | 11:40 |
| dholbach | the pages didn't receive significant changes in the last three weeks afaik | 11:40 |
| ogra | since when do packages build without a control file ? | 11:40 |
| Mez | fair engouh | 11:40 |
| Mez | ogra, I was confused at dholbach's comment of " debian/control. not needed," | 11:41 |
| ogra | heh | 11:41 |
| dholbach | debian/control is for losers! | 11:42 |
| ogra | php4-universe will likely move to main | 11:42 |
| ogra | except i get all edubuntu stuf running on php5, which i doubt | 11:42 |
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| Mez | ogra: why will it move into main? | 11:43 |
| ogra | Mez, because moodle and mediawiki move.... | 11:44 |
| ogra | the mediawiki package debian just prepares cant use php5.... | 11:44 |
| ogra | (if a package moves to main, all its dependencys have to move as well) | 11:44 |
| ogra | its a long buerocratic process | 11:45 |
| dholbach | reviewing kio-apt | 11:46 |
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| koke | hi all! | 11:46 |
| dholbach | hey KOKE! | 11:46 |
| koke | how are you? | 11:47 |
| dholbach | fine... thank you - still busy with my thesis, but taking a break for REVIEW DAY! :) | 11:47 |
| dholbach | how are you? | 11:47 |
| Mez | hmm | 11:48 |
| Mez | my package is making a config.guess and config.sub on a debuild -S -sa | 11:48 |
| dholbach | Mez: in my opinion that's a good thing to do | 11:48 |
| ogra | it is | 11:48 |
| Mez | dholbah - why | 11:48 |
| Mez | I was bitched at before for having them in it | 11:48 |
| koke | I've been quite busy | 11:48 |
| Mez | and someone bitched at them being in the diff | 11:49 |
| ogra | you shoudlnt have it in the debdiff | 11:49 |
| koke | too much work at job, finals, and new job now | 11:49 |
| dholbach | Mez: since you don't rely on a *random* recent autotools-dev (/usr/share/misc) on the build daemon - you have more control over what you upload | 11:49 |
| ogra | it should get copied on build time... | 11:49 |
| koke | I *need* to get back on MOTU work :) | 11:49 |
| koke | I missed this :P | 11:49 |
| dholbach | koke: i can imagine - i want to get back to it too | 11:49 |
| Mez | so I should shove it into my .orig.tar.gz ? | 11:49 |
| dholbach | ogra: then you rely on having a *random* one on the building machine | 11:49 |
| koke | now, there's no time for FindingPackages in breezy :( | 11:49 |
| dholbach | Mez: no - keep the orig.tar.gz as it is | 11:50 |
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| Mez | dholbach, but, it's now putting them in diff.gz | 11:50 |
| ogra | dholbach, but a matching one that fits te distro... its not *this* random | 11:50 |
| ogra | dholbach, and you have a heavily cluttered diff | 11:50 |
| dholbach | it's like auto* stuff done on a buildd - it makes me feel uneasy | 11:50 |
| dholbach | "heavily cluttered" is *heavily* exaggerated :) | 11:51 |
| Mez | well, then | 11:51 |
| Mez | can you guys review this | 11:51 |
| Mez | http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=161 | 11:51 |
| ogra | dholbach, so tell me the difference of one that i copy locally into the sourcepackag in breezy or one the buildd copies from the same package at buildtime | 11:51 |
| Mez | and then see what I'm on about | 11:51 |
| dholbach | we're talking about two files - depending on the recent-ness of the upstream author's system | 11:51 |
| Mez | dholbach, this is a new package | 11:51 |
| dholbach | ogra: i have control over what i upload and what is built, there's a reason dh_make's rules-file and cdbs does it automagically | 11:52 |
| dholbach | Mez: i'll do it after kio-apt | 11:52 |
| comadreja | hey dholbach :) | 11:53 |
| comadreja | good morning all | 11:53 |
| dholbach | morning comadreja :) | 11:53 |
| ogra | dholbach, i only opload for one release of one distro... there is no difference, except it makes the diff readable | 11:53 |
| comadreja | dholbach : I would like to comment on one of my packages | 11:54 |
| dholbach | comadreja: fire away | 11:54 |
| Mez | ogra: in your opinion where should the cp -f /usr/share/misc/config.sub config.sub; cp -f /usr/share/misc/config.guess config.guess be in debian/rules | 11:54 |
| comadreja | dholbach : could you check control.in in gmail-notify ? | 11:54 |
| ogra | Mez, in my opinion it belongs in the beginning of the build target | 11:55 |
| comadreja | dholbach : because it is cdbs autogenerated | 11:55 |
| ogra | Mez, in dholbachs opinion it belongs in the clean target | 11:55 |
| ogra | for me thats an abuse of the clean target | 11:55 |
| Mez | ogra, well dh_make puts it there automatically | 11:56 |
| ogra | i know | 11:56 |
| dholbach | comadreja: you should build-depend on a specific python version as well | 11:56 |
| comadreja | dholbach : it is done by dh_python | 11:56 |
| ogra | Mez, but if you clean your flat, do you carry the dust in or out ? | 11:56 |
| dholbach | ogra: in the clean target you make sure, that when you build a source package you have a recent config.{guess,sub} | 11:56 |
| ogra | dholbach, in the build target you make that sure too since its the same version :) | 11:57 |
| Mez | dholbach, to be fair, for me - it'd pull in .guess and .sub from hoary | 11:57 |
| Mez | which could be a problem | 11:57 |
| dholbach | comadreja: do you have to ship the control file if you have the control.in - i was just astounded by the explicit depends line | 11:57 |
| Mez | I do agree with ogra | 11:58 |
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| dholbach | Mez: if you're on hoary you can't guarantee that the package will build/work on breezy - that's a bigger problem | 11:58 |
| comadreja | dholbach : I just wrote control.in the rest is cdbs... it is regenerated on every debian/rules clean | 11:59 |
| dholbach | ogra: but you rely on some magic done on the buildd - which is something i strongly oppose against | 11:59 |
| dholbach | comadreja: the explicit depends line as well? | 11:59 |
| ogra | dholbach, all breezy packages *must* build on on hoary now... we have a backports policy | 11:59 |
| comadreja | dholbach : yes | 11:59 |
| dholbach | ogra: you have to make sure it works in breezy in the first place | 11:59 |
| dholbach | comadreja: that's funny :) | 11:59 |
| ogra | dholbach, nope | 11:59 |
| Mez | dholbach, I use a pbuilder | 11:59 |
| ogra | dholbach, you have to make sure it works in both | 11:59 |
| dholbach | ogra: "first" :) | 12:00 |
| ogra | dholbach, you are not the person who needs to test it (that Mez) but the one to fix it if it doesnt work | 12:00 |
| ogra | s/that/thats | 12:00 |
| dholbach | Mez: i know, but that doesnt help you with the source package - does it? :) | 12:00 |
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| Mez | dholbach, wha? | 12:00 |
| comadreja | dholbach : do you advocate now ? | 12:00 |
| Mez | dholbach, all my packages for brezy go through a pbuilder before I make a source package | 12:01 |
| dholbach | comadreja: i'll have another look | 12:01 |
| dholbach | Mez: yeah - i got that point | 12:01 |
| Mez | dholbach, are you saying that my packages are going to not work because I use a chroot to build them? | 12:01 |
| dholbach | Mez: but the pbuilder doesnt help with you config.{guess,sub} in the clean target, which you call on hoary system, right? | 12:01 |
| dholbach | Mez: not neccessarily "don't work" | 12:02 |
| Mez | dholbach, hence why you move it to the build target | 12:02 |
| dholbach | Mez: i'm talking about control over what is built | 12:02 |
| dholbach | Mez: I don't move it to the build target? | 12:02 |
| dholbach | Mez: did i say that somewhere? | 12:02 |
| dholbach | Mez, ogra: i understand both approaches | 12:02 |
| Mez | dholbach, but, you're using breezy are you not? | 12:02 |
| dholbach | yes | 12:02 |
| Mez | therefore, you can do that, and not neccesarily cause problems | 12:03 |
| Mez | for noe | 12:03 |
| Mez | now * | 12:03 |
| dholbach | Mez, ogra: but since i got flamed for invoking automake on a buildd, which might be compared (modifying the build system on the buildd), i have my reasons to like the clean-target approach better | 12:03 |
| dholbach | but i'm ok with both ideas/approaches/religions | 12:03 |
| ogra | dholbach, i'm not talking about running any auto* stuff | 12:03 |
| Mez | dholbach, this is a simeple copy of 2 files | 12:04 |
| Mez | not auto* | 12:04 |
| ogra | its only copying of two files :) | 12:04 |
| dholbach | ogra: i'm talking about modifying build system stuff on the buildd | 12:04 |
| dholbach | i know | 12:04 |
| ogra | and i make sure its the most recent version for the distro if i copy it on the buildd | 12:05 |
| Mez | dholbach, it's not modifying the build system | 12:05 |
| ogra | so i dont see te problem here....beside a silly default habit of dh_make | 12:05 |
| dholbach | you're relying on the build system on whatever box your package is built - that's what i'm talking about - you're assuming it will be alright | 12:05 |
| Mez | the build will be done in a chroot, so it'll just get from the chroot, not from anywhere else and means you get latest version of .guess and .sub | 12:06 |
| ogra | dholbach, i rely on the *distro* which is the base for m build system | 12:06 |
| ogra | my even | 12:06 |
| dholbach | it's alright with me, absolutely | 12:06 |
| dholbach | maybe we should take that discussion to ubuntu-devel@ | 12:08 |
| dholbach | might be nice to hear some additional statements on it | 12:09 |
| Mez | I was thinking that dholbach | 12:09 |
| dholbach | cool | 12:09 |
| dholbach | comadreja: couldnt advocate it - doesnt it build on amd64? | 12:12 |
| comadreja | dholbach : problem is upstream authos includes a .so | 12:15 |
| comadreja | dholbach : without it's sources | 12:15 |
| dholbach | ouch | 12:15 |
| dholbach | double-ouch | 12:15 |
| dholbach | i'm not quite sure how we handle that license-wise | 12:16 |
| comadreja | it's also included in package straw, with it's sources | 12:16 |
| comadreja | so it's gpl'ed | 12:16 |
| comadreja | but this author was quite crappy , if I may say | 12:17 |
| dholbach | not sure how we handle that | 12:17 |
| Mez | * maybe you could rm debian/control in the clean target - only for beauty reasons. :) | 12:17 |
| Mez | wtf? | 12:17 |
| comadreja | ogra ? | 12:18 |
| dholbach | Mez: he has debian/control.in which generates debian/control | 12:18 |
| Mez | oh, ok | 12:18 |
| Mez | lol | 12:18 |
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| ogra | comadreja, ? | 12:18 |
| ogra | control.in is da uglyness | 12:19 |
| ogra | but sadly many people do it... | 12:19 |
| comadreja | ogra, yes, in package gmail-notify, upstream author includes a gpl .so already compiled without sources | 12:19 |
| dholbach | ogra: it isnt :) | 12:19 |
| dholbach | ogra: sorry to oppose again | 12:19 |
| dholbach | Mez: reviewed gaim-assistant | 12:19 |
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| dholbach | constructs? | 12:20 |
| ogra | yes, | 12:20 |
| dholbach | what's that? | 12:20 |
| dholbach | a package? | 12:20 |
| jsgotangco | see you all later, i gotta grab some food at the grocer... | 12:20 |
| ogra | dholbach, whats the usecase to have a .in file there ? | 12:20 |
| dholbach | ogra: debian gnome packages add a dynamically added uploads line (to make sure everybody in the gnome team can upload) | 12:21 |
| dholbach | ogra: cdbs takes care of tools you might need (bunzip2, sharutils, python, ...) | 12:21 |
| ogra | everybody can upload ??? | 12:21 |
| dholbach | no | 12:21 |
| dholbach | everybody in the team | 12:21 |
| dholbach | it's created by gnome.mk or gnome-pkg-tools or something | 12:21 |
| comadreja | damn, yesterday I had a package without cdbs, and everybody recommended me to use cdbs :D | 12:21 |
| ogra | shuldnt the uploaders be handled by the kaeyring and not in the control file ? thats silly | 12:22 |
| comadreja | then I reupload with cdbs, and look :D | 12:22 |
| dholbach | they add the guys mail adress one time and he can upload all the packages that use it | 12:22 |
| ogra | comadreja, *shudder* | 12:22 |
| dholbach | ogra: we're talking about debian - they don't have a debian gnome keyring - they don't want to do NMUs all the time | 12:22 |
| ogra | comadreja, use cdbs wisely wher it makes sense | 12:22 |
| dholbach | comadreja: the problem is not cdbs - the problem is the .so file | 12:22 |
| ogra | comadreja, but only there | 12:22 |
| Mez | dholbach, i have no idea what your build problem is | 12:23 |
| dholbach | comadreja: binary files are bad | 12:23 |
| dholbach | Mez: it's what i get in a breezy pbuilder | 12:23 |
| comadreja | dholbach : I know, it's not my fault, upstream put it there | 12:23 |
| Mez | dholbach, amd64? | 12:23 |
| ogra | comadreja, for many usecases cdbs is overkill... you run tons of stuff you dont need | 12:23 |
| dholbach | Mez: yeah | 12:23 |
| dholbach | comadreja: that's what you wanted to ask ogra, right? :) | 12:23 |
| comadreja | yep | 12:23 |
| dholbach | well, put him on the right track :) | 12:24 |
| ogra | comadreja, where does the .so file come from ? | 12:24 |
| comadreja | ogra .orig | 12:24 |
| comadreja | ogra actually I think it's a library from straw | 12:25 |
| ogra | comadreja, i mean is this .so file in another package already ? | 12:25 |
| comadreja | ogra yes, in straw | 12:25 |
| ogra | oki... is it needed at build time ? | 12:25 |
| comadreja | nopes, runtime | 12:25 |
| dholbach | then it should depend on it, shouldnt it? | 12:25 |
| ogra | then just depend on it and make sure the package uses that one | 12:25 |
| dholbach | comadreja: i thought it was a random other one, sorry for getting you wrong | 12:26 |
| comadreja | cool, I'll change that | 12:26 |
| dholbach | and drop the architecture line accordingly | 12:27 |
| ogra | look that there is no statically link path to that file in your source code ;) i've ssen such crap if packages try to ship .so files themselves... | 12:28 |
| dholbach | i think i now went over most of the packages | 12:29 |
| dholbach | *LUNCH!* | 12:29 |
| comadreja | package straw has broken dependencies :/ | 12:37 |
| comadreja | straw: Depends: python-gnome2-extras but it is not going to be installed | 12:37 |
| ogra | hmm, that has to wait for a working python-gnome2-extras then :/ | 12:40 |
| ogra | poke seb128 | 12:40 |
| comadreja | seems in was libgda issue | 12:41 |
| comadreja | s/in/it | 12:41 |
| Lathiat | Anyone else persistently have problems with gnome-panel not picking up menu changes? | 12:44 |
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| Nafallo | Lathiat: indeed | 12:51 |
| Nafallo | Lathiat: pkill gnome-panel would be an ugly workaround | 12:51 |
| Lathiat | so annoying :\ | 12:51 |
| Lathiat | Nafallo: sure, but that sucks | 12:51 |
| Lathiat | and breaks lots of things | 12:51 |
| Lathiat | cus the system tray goes away | 12:51 |
| Nafallo | ++ | 12:51 |
| Lathiat | and too many apps crash/lose the icon | 12:52 |
| dholbach | woohoo - soundconverter ready to go! | 01:00 |
| dholbach | review day happiness! :) | 01:00 |
| Lathiat | heh | 01:00 |
| Lathiat | while your at it, http://bur.st/~lathiat/ubuntu/breezy/rezound.debdiff :) | 01:01 |
| dholbach | Lathiat: did your mail adress already get whitelisted? | 01:04 |
| Lathiat | no | 01:04 |
| Lathiat | who do i ask about that | 01:05 |
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| dholbach | elmo or inifinity (maybe) | 01:05 |
| Lathiat | thats probably why i didnt notice bzflag go up | 01:05 |
| dholbach | yeah | 01:05 |
| dholbach | Lathiat: want me to wait or just upload? | 01:08 |
| Lathiat | may as well wait | 01:09 |
| dholbach | alright | 01:09 |
| dholbach | i have the patched package lying just here :) | 01:09 |
| dholbach | we have the first package (soundconverter) uploaded - review day success already! :) | 01:10 |
| ogra | does it make sense to upload heavy 3D stuff if we're awaiting a GLU transition ? | 01:10 |
| Lathiat | its my understanding that the glu transition is no longer needed | 01:11 |
| dholbach | sure :) | 01:11 |
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| dholbach | our users have bandwidth and the buildd should be kept busy ;) | 01:11 |
| ogra | the package names will change... it will need a recompile | 01:11 |
| Lathiat | ah | 01:11 |
| Lathiat | hrm | 01:12 |
| ogra | but i'm not sure how outdated my info is... best to ask daniels how long it will take or if i missed if it was done already | 01:12 |
| Lathiat | yeh | 01:12 |
| Lathiat | im abit confused now | 01:12 |
| dholbach | brb | 01:13 |
| ogra | Lathiat, wait for daniels | 01:13 |
| sladen | ogra: kbootsplash probably won't break usplash too much. It won't make much sense to enable them together | 01:15 |
| ogra | yep... | 01:15 |
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| slomo | good morning :) | 02:29 |
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| slomo | comadreja: ping? | 02:33 |
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| comadreja | slomo : pong | 02:54 |
| slomo | comadreja: could you solve the problems? :) | 02:55 |
| comadreja | slomo : yes, finally everything was solved | 02:55 |
| comadreja | slomo : luckily :) | 02:56 |
| slomo | comadreja: oh show me :) | 02:57 |
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| comadreja | http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=224 | 02:57 |
| comadreja | ogra told me to use a dependency with straw | 02:58 |
| comadreja | instead of putting the library right in | 02:58 |
| slomo | hmm and that works? do you install the so file from gmail-notify? | 02:58 |
| comadreja | I made gmail-notify depend on straw, straw installs the so | 02:59 |
| comadreja | that way I can have an Architecture: all | 03:00 |
| slomo | ok, looks good for me :) and you worked with the automatic control file managment ;) | 03:01 |
| comadreja | I followed the docs :) | 03:01 |
| \sh | damn | 03:01 |
| slomo | i haven't used that yet | 03:01 |
| slomo | hmm... is pkg-config in breezy broken? pkg-config without parameters segfaults for me :( | 03:01 |
| \sh | bloody 5 hours in ner1 | 03:01 |
| slomo | ah with --help as parameter | 03:02 |
| comadreja | brb | 03:02 |
| === \sh is today no help for the MOTU *cry* | ||
| Mez | anyone here use AMD64 ? | 03:06 |
| slomo | \sh: what happened? | 03:06 |
| \sh | slomo: some dtv services are broken..we try to fix this shit..has to do with scrambling and nagra and some other hardware vendors..it's a mess here | 03:07 |
| Nafallo | Mez: yes | 03:08 |
| Mez | Nafallo, can you test my upload for me in a sec, just to see it works properly now on AMD64 | 03:09 |
| Nafallo | Mez: sure. just tell me where to find the sources :-) | 03:09 |
| Mez | Nafallo, just shoving them on REVU noew | 03:10 |
| Nafallo | Mez: k3b-i18n? | 03:11 |
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| Mez | no - gaim-assistant | 03:13 |
| Mez | k3b-i8ln = PITA | 03:13 |
| Mez | it bitches if i have -Indep | 03:14 |
| Mez | and bitches if I dont | 03:14 |
| Nafallo | :-) oki | 03:14 |
| Mez | but, please try gaim-assistant | 03:14 |
| Mez | http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=231 | 03:15 |
| comadreja | back | 03:16 |
| Mez | Thanks Nafallo poke me when done please | 03:20 |
| slomo | waah... i have to rework all my revu uploads and write manpages... :( someone here who knows good docs on how to write manpages | 03:20 |
| Nafallo | Mez: I will, installed deps now. | 03:20 |
| Nafallo | Mez: http://pastebin.com/323708 | 03:23 |
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| Mez | grr | 03:28 |
| Mez | anyone know how to fix that | 03:28 |
| Mez | cause i don | 03:28 |
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| chmj | how do I close a bug in malone ? | 03:34 |
| chmj | nm found it | 03:35 |
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| bddebian | Howdy | 03:39 |
| bddebian | slomo: ping | 03:41 |
| slomo | hi bddebian :) | 03:41 |
| bddebian | Heya slomo | 03:41 |
| slomo | do you have experience with writing manpages? ;) | 03:42 |
| bddebian | slomo: I fixed the first parts of your comments. But how do I fix the build dir in the tarball? | 03:42 |
| bddebian | slomo: Actually yes, why | 03:42 |
| slomo | bddebian: because i have to write many... and for some programs i don't even know what exactly they're doing :( | 03:43 |
| slomo | bddebian: and for the tarball... just take the upstream tarball instead of your changed one | 03:43 |
| bddebian | Uhhh :-) | 03:44 |
| bddebian | slomo: Check out help2man | 03:44 |
| slomo | thanks... seems like i have much work to do today... grmpf ;) | 03:44 |
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| thoreauputic | HostingGeek: umm - why the ctcp ? | 04:08 |
| thoreauputic | HostingGeek: anything I can do for you/ | 04:08 |
| thoreauputic | ? | 04:08 |
| bddebian | He hit you to? | 04:08 |
| thoreauputic | yup | 04:08 |
| bddebian | What is CTCP ROOT PASSWORD? | 04:08 |
| Burgundavia | seems I didn't get blessed | 04:08 |
| thoreauputic | bddebian: doesn't sound very friendly, does it? | 04:09 |
| Burgundavia | no | 04:09 |
| bddebian | thoreauputic: No, it doesn't :-) | 04:09 |
| Burgundavia | oh, now I just blessed | 04:09 |
| Burgundavia | HostingGeek, I suggest you quit it | 04:10 |
| thoreauputic | haha - real name " 1337" | 04:10 |
| thoreauputic | rofl | 04:10 |
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| \sh | 7ctcp HostingGeek RETURN_PASSWORD: ALT-F4 | 04:13 |
| Gazer | hi, I run dupload instead of dput and I think that I upload something to upload.ubuntu.com :S, I need to report that ? | 04:14 |
| bddebian | Gazer: Are you an approved uploader? | 04:15 |
| Gazer | bddebian, nop | 04:15 |
| \sh | Gazer: don't worry | 04:15 |
| bddebian | Gazer: Then it should get dropped automagically | 04:15 |
| \sh | elmo will hunt you down tomorrow ,-) | 04:16 |
| Gazer | :P | 04:16 |
| slomo | hmm, can somebody help me a bit with dh_makeshlibs, dh_shlibdeps and cdbs? i have a package which consists of a binary package and a library package... the binary package needs to depend exactly on the same version of the library package as it is build with... and i only want the depend one time... when i add a depend with (= ${Source-Version}) in control i get a correct depend and an unversioned one | 04:16 |
| \sh | anyways...going home now..looks like I have to come back to office later this night | 04:17 |
| slomo | also DEB_SHLIBDEPS_INCLUDE doesn't work as intented it seems... or i use it the wrong way ;) | 04:17 |
| Nafallo | I dunno if I'm approved, but seems I'm not since my uploads didn't got built :-P | 04:17 |
| \sh | Nafallo: u r approved motu..send the key and everything to elmo? | 04:18 |
| bddebian | slomo: What's the best way to upload my fixes to REVU? dput -P -f revu *_source.changes ?? | 04:18 |
| \sh | Nafallo: so w8 :) | 04:19 |
| slomo | bddebian: yes | 04:19 |
| Nafallo | \sh: yepp. he will probably answer those mails? | 04:19 |
| bddebian | slomo: Thx | 04:19 |
| Nafallo | \sh: or do I have to try when it works? :-) | 04:19 |
| \sh | Nafallo: dunnoo..I just tried many times ;-) | 04:19 |
| Nafallo | hehe | 04:19 |
| Nafallo | I tried today indeed ;-) | 04:20 |
| bddebian | slomo: Well I THINK the fixes are up now. :- | 04:20 |
| bddebian | ) | 04:20 |
| \sh | it's only 2days...since approval...so put 5 on it ,-) | 04:20 |
| \sh | anyways..I'm gone...later gentlemen...I'm really finished today | 04:20 |
| Gazer | wget http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/incoming/ceferino-0507281615/ceferino_0.95-0ubuntu1_source.changes | 04:23 |
| Gazer | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden | 04:23 |
| Gazer | thats normal ? | 04:23 |
| Gazer | s/thats/that is/ | 04:24 |
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| Nafallo | Gazer: atleast for me | 04:27 |
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| slomo | bddebian: ping? your tarball for python-pyrtf is missing in revu | 04:32 |
| bddebian | slomo: It is? | 04:33 |
| bddebian | slomo: I just did dput -P -f revu *_source.changes Is there something else I need to do? | 04:34 |
| slomo | bddebian: have you run dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa or without the -sa? | 04:35 |
| bddebian | Oh, hehe, I think I forgot -sa | 04:35 |
| bddebian | slomo: OK | 04:37 |
| slomo | bddebian: you've a vote :) | 04:44 |
| bddebian | slomo: Thx d00d :-) | 04:44 |
| bddebian | siretart: ping | 04:45 |
| slomo | hm... work for today: write 18 manpages and fight with dependency generation *cries* | 04:47 |
| bddebian | Manpages are t3h suXX0r | 04:49 |
| slomo | oh and a MainInclusionReport for boo ;) hmm... bddebian? is a simple help2man manpage enough for a package manpage? | 04:53 |
| bddebian | slomo: Well it's better than nothing which is what most packages ship.. ;-) | 04:56 |
| bddebian | slomo: MainInclusionReport?? | 04:56 |
| slomo | bddebian: well... but nothing seems not to be allowed... at least dholbach said i have to include some :/ | 04:57 |
| slomo | bddebian: UbuntuMainInclusionRequirements | 04:57 |
| slomo | bddebian: in the wiki ;) | 04:57 |
| bddebian | slomo: Ahh :-) | 04:58 |
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| siretart | bddebian: pong | 05:07 |
| bddebian | siretart: I am unable to logoin to your REVU page and the recover password thing comes back empty afact?? | 05:08 |
| siretart | bddebian: what is your email address? | 05:09 |
| bddebian | siretart: bddebian@comcast.net or bddebian@bddebian.com | 05:09 |
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| siretart | bddebian: try this: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/lostpw.py?email=bddebian@comcast.net | 05:10 |
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| bddebian | siretart: That did it, thanks. Weird | 05:12 |
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| bddebian | siretart: Still no way to change a password on the site? | 05:19 |
| siretart | bddebian: send me an signed and encrypted email. usermanagment will be in revu2 | 05:21 |
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| bddebian | siretart: OK, thx | 05:28 |
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| Mez | what happened to reviewing things | 05:42 |
| slomo | Mez: i'll review further when i've fixed all my packages ;) but this may take some time... i need 18 manpages ;) | 05:43 |
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| === slomo neither... time to learn ;) | ||
| Mez | slomo, whats the point of this | 05:45 |
| Mez | http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/incoming/faac-0507270200/faac-1.24clean/debian/watch | 05:45 |
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| slomo | man uscan ;) when you have a watchfile you can run uscan in your package directory and it checks whether there is a newer version and downloads it for you | 05:46 |
| thoreauputic_ | !seen godzirra | 05:47 |
| thoreauputic_ | oops | 05:47 |
| thoreauputic_ | sorry | 05:47 |
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| slomo | can someone have a look at http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=237 ? especially the manpages i've written... | 06:23 |
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| \sh | re | 06:45 |
| slomo | wb \sh | 06:48 |
| \sh | sorry...for not being a great help today...but office work has prio 1 :) | 06:51 |
| \sh | I heard u had a happy review day with one new package upload? great :) | 06:55 |
| slomo | lol... well there will be more when some more people look through the uploads... and when i have upload rights :/ | 06:56 |
| slomo | and when i don't have to write 16 manpages ;) | 06:56 |
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| dholbach | hey | 06:57 |
| dholbach | how's the review day coming on? :) | 06:57 |
| slomo | hey dholbach :) you've mail ;) | 06:57 |
| slomo | dholbach: it doesn't really start off :/ partly your fault :P i'm currently writing the remaining 16 manpages =) | 06:58 |
| dholbach | ah, i see :) | 06:58 |
| dholbach | oh man... | 06:58 |
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| infinito | hi! | 07:00 |
| infinito | i know it's too late | 07:00 |
| dholbach | mh? | 07:00 |
| infinito | but i asked for gcfilms to get synced form debian and don't know what happend... | 07:00 |
| dholbach | infinito: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/today.html should know | 07:01 |
| infinito | dholbach, if it's not there it was nos synced? | 07:02 |
| infinito | (sorry about my crappy english) | 07:02 |
| dholbach | apparently so | 07:02 |
| infinito | ummm | 07:02 |
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| lamont | infinito: the other place to look is buildLogs/Lists/breezy.all.$ARCH | 07:02 |
| infinito | is there anything i can do to get it synced before breezy release? | 07:02 |
| lamont | which lists source packages and their current state | 07:03 |
| Riddell | who can I get to take a look at qt4 packages? | 07:04 |
| infinito | ummm not there either | 07:04 |
| \sh | Riddell: when it has time until tomorrow evening...I can take a look | 07:05 |
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| \sh | but not today | 07:05 |
| infinito | lamont: is there any chance to get it synced? | 07:06 |
| lamont | infinito: not my decision to make | 07:06 |
| dholbach | infinito: state, why it should be synced, confirm that you built the package on your box and it works on #ubuntu-devel or on ubuntu-devel@ | 07:07 |
| dholbach | it's not my decision either | 07:07 |
| dholbach | but it will catch more decision-makers' eyes there | 07:07 |
| infinito | it's been in debian sid for a while | 07:07 |
| dholbach | in #ubuntu-devel :) | 07:07 |
| \sh | infinito: if it's not in ubuntu already...it goes into universe so put it on UniverseCandidates | 07:08 |
| infinito | dholbach, lamont: thank you, i'm gonna try in #ubuntu-devel | 07:08 |
| dholbach | infinito: super | 07:08 |
| infinito | \sh: it's been in UniverseCandidates since long... | 07:08 |
| \sh | infinito: ok..then there is right now no decision made from MOTU...so even elmo won't listen | 07:09 |
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| dholbach | we have !!! 3 !!! uploaded packages already | 07:24 |
| dholbach | where's the review party going on as well? | 07:24 |
| HostingGeek | http://www.epodunk.com/cgi-bin/weatherInfo.php?locIndex=55275 | 07:33 |
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| comadreja | having a .sgml and using cdbs how do I generate and install a man page ? | 07:36 |
| \sh | comadreja: man docbook2man | 07:37 |
| \sh | and provide a hook in the install target | 07:38 |
| comadreja | thanks \sh :) | 07:38 |
| dholbach | comadreja: gparted has it for example - be sure to remove the generated manpage in the clean target | 07:39 |
| \sh | comadreja: /away | 07:39 |
| \sh | huch | 07:39 |
| dholbach | bbl | 07:39 |
| comadreja | ok | 07:40 |
| \sh | I think I was to harsh | 07:43 |
| comadreja | \sh with whom ? | 07:44 |
| \sh | infinito | 07:45 |
| Lathiat | http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/p/pingus/0.6.0-8build1/pingus_0.6.0-8build1_20050724-1644-i386-failed.gz | 07:45 |
| Lathiat | ^ can anyone tell me what the C++ error is likely to mean | 07:45 |
| === Lathiat has no idea | ||
| \sh | hmm...for this I have to look into the code directly | 07:46 |
| comadreja | it's returning a virtual object | 07:47 |
| Lathiat | well, its not returning anything, but its in the constructors definition | 07:47 |
| \sh | sprite_drawable.hxx:49: error: invalid abstract return type for member function 'WorldMapNS::SpriteDrawable WorldMapNS::SpriteDrawable::operator=(const WorldMapNS::SpriteDrawable&)' | 07:47 |
| \sh | it returning WorldMapNS::SpritDrawable | 07:48 |
| \sh | nonsense | 07:49 |
| \sh | sh*t it does | 07:50 |
| \sh | let me try to patch it | 07:51 |
| siretart | hi folks | 07:55 |
| bddebian | Heya siretart | 07:55 |
| \sh | huhu siretart | 07:56 |
| siretart | I just uploaded a new version of wifi-radar, which should fix all issues with it | 07:56 |
| siretart | I'm very sorry that I cannot join you with the review day, but I need to finish my thesis :( | 07:56 |
| Lathiat | \sh: thanks :) cus it confuses the hell out of me :) | 07:56 |
| Lathiat | also most files generate the virtual/non-virtual destructor thing | 07:56 |
| Lathiat | i dunno if thats a problem | 07:56 |
| \sh | Lathiat: no...only a warning | 07:57 |
| dholbach | siretart: don't worry, me too ;-) | 07:58 |
| siretart | dholbach: hey! :) | 07:58 |
| dholbach | siretart: i took some time off for doing one or the other comment ;) | 07:58 |
| siretart | hehe | 07:58 |
| siretart | I got extension for one week. but I have still tons of work to do :( | 07:58 |
| === dholbach throws siretart out of the channel :) | ||
| bddebian | heh | 07:59 |
| dholbach | siretart: happy hacking then | 07:59 |
| dholbach | siretart: i get back to my stuff too | 07:59 |
| siretart | dholbach: yes, I'll rather stay in the background. But I really wanted to get wifi-radar for ivoks in universe, at last | 07:59 |
| siretart | because I always had to downcheck his package :( | 08:00 |
| \sh | hmmm...needs a closer look into c++ documentation *grrr* | 08:05 |
| siretart | bddebian: you again missed the python build-dep ;) | 08:06 |
| Lathiat | \sh: :\ | 08:06 |
| bddebian | siretart: On what? | 08:06 |
| siretart | gmail-notify | 08:06 |
| bddebian | Damnit | 08:06 |
| siretart | bddebian: see http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/incoming/gmail-notify-0507282005/linda | 08:06 |
| === bddebian sucks | ||
| siretart | no, you don't | 08:06 |
| siretart | everyone makes mistakes :) | 08:07 |
| comadreja | it's me | 08:07 |
| bddebian | Oh hehe :-) | 08:07 |
| \sh | Lathiat: actually this is my fourth damn sourcecode :) | 08:07 |
| comadreja | siretart, and it's not a problem fmpov | 08:08 |
| siretart | oh. sorry for the confsion :) | 08:08 |
| comadreja | because this package doesn't build anything | 08:08 |
| siretart | comadreja: ah, ok. but then you could document that with an linda override | 08:08 |
| comadreja | just copies the python scripts to the directories | 08:08 |
| comadreja | how ? | 08:08 |
| siretart | why do you use dh_python then? | 08:08 |
| siretart | look in the linda documentation | 08:08 |
| comadreja | because cdbs does | 08:08 |
| comadreja | ok | 08:09 |
| comadreja | dh_python creates the ${python:...} for the control file | 08:10 |
| comadreja | with the dependencies | 08:10 |
| siretart | ah. now I see.. hmm. | 08:10 |
| siretart | well, if you are confident that you dont need that python dependency, install a linda override, that is what they are for | 08:10 |
| \sh | ok..guys../me is going to bed early...tomorrow more...sorry for not being a help today... | 08:11 |
| comadreja | regarding the control.in, I just followed the documentation that was given to me regarding cdbs, but I can change it easily | 08:11 |
| siretart | \sh: you rocked the whole week! | 08:11 |
| comadreja | \sh: yep, have some rest | 08:11 |
| Lathiat | \sh: night :) | 08:11 |
| siretart | comadreja: yes, this control.in is considered harmfull and even prohibited in current debian release policy! | 08:12 |
| dholbach | siretart: ? | 08:13 |
| dholbach | siretart: debian gnome team uses it in EVERY upload | 08:13 |
| dholbach | nevermind me - i should be away anyway :) | 08:14 |
| comadreja | :) you tell me what to do, because I get very different point of views, I have no problem with any. | 08:14 |
| ajmitch | morning | 08:15 |
| dholbach | andrew! | 08:15 |
| comadreja | morning ajmitch :) | 08:15 |
| siretart | dholbach: Do I confuse this with automatic updating of changelogs? | 08:15 |
| dholbach | siretart: probably - never heard of that | 08:15 |
| ajmitch | auto-updating of build-deps with control.in is especially evil | 08:15 |
| ajmitch | and considered a Bad Thing | 08:15 |
| comadreja | cool :) | 08:16 |
| comadreja | I'll use that | 08:16 |
| siretart | dholbach: http://release.debian.org/etch_rc_policy.txt | 08:16 |
| ajmitch | ah, thanks siretart :) | 08:16 |
| siretart | These targets must not change the package's build-dependencies or the changelog. | 08:16 |
| dholbach | um, where? | 08:17 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: section 4 | 08:18 |
| siretart | section 4, paragraph 4 | 08:18 |
| dholbach | ah yes | 08:18 |
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| ajmitch | so the gnome team *just* manages to scrape through ;) | 08:18 |
| dholbach | they change the upload field | 08:18 |
| siretart | paragraph 3, sorry | 08:18 |
| dholbach | uploader | 08:18 |
| siretart | what problem do they intend to solve with this? | 08:19 |
| dholbach | jbailey: do you think that @cdbs@ in build-depends clashes with http://release.debian.org/etch_rc_policy.txt - section 4 paragraph 4? | 08:19 |
| ajmitch | siretart: haveing 20 people listed in the Uploaders field | 08:19 |
| ajmitch | for about 100 packages :) | 08:19 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: @cdbs@ in build-depends is a Bad Thing | 08:20 |
| siretart | dholbach: this was discussed in a quite big thread on debian-release, I think | 08:20 |
| dholbach | ajmitch: i'm just asking for another opinion :) | 08:20 |
| siretart | ajmitch: I see the point | 08:20 |
| dholbach | jbailey: oh well: section 4 paragraph 3 :) | 08:20 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: #debian-devel can offer plenty of opinions ;) | 08:21 |
| chillywilly | need food | 08:22 |
| HostingGeek | http://www.google-store.com/ | 08:22 |
| siretart | need time. and motivation | 08:23 |
| slomo | need aspirin ;) | 08:23 |
| jbailey | dholbach: I have already discussed it and cleared my idea with the release managers. | 08:24 |
| dholbach | so they're not strongly opposed against it? | 08:25 |
| jbailey | dholbach: Not at all, they agree with the reasoning. | 08:25 |
| jbailey | Here's the trick: =) | 08:25 |
| HostingGeek | siretart: need me | 08:25 |
| jbailey | "These targets must not change the package's | 08:25 |
| jbailey | build-dependencies or the changelog." | 08:25 |
| ajmitch | jbailey: surprising :) | 08:25 |
| dholbach | that's what i thought :) | 08:25 |
| jbailey | So the answer is just don't make debian/control a dependancy of those targets. | 08:25 |
| dholbach | :) | 08:26 |
| jbailey | There will be a hook in cdbs2 that verifies if it beleive debian/control to be up to date. It will fail the build in that case. | 08:26 |
| dholbach | that sounds cool | 08:26 |
| jbailey | There will be a DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS token that allows you to say "Please auto-update the control file" | 08:26 |
| jbailey | Or you can manually run debian/rules debian/control to update it. | 08:26 |
| dholbach | merci beaucoup, monsieur :) | 08:26 |
| jbailey | And then everyone is happy. =) | 08:26 |
| ajmitch | jbailey: hah, you'll never please everyone | 08:27 |
| siretart | ajmitch: in this case, I think vorlon and Kamion are sufficent ;) | 08:27 |
| jbailey | siretart: And the ftp masters. =) | 08:28 |
| ajmitch | now that's a challenge | 08:28 |
| jbailey | ajmitch: Well, the answer beyond that is "Just don't use it!" | 08:28 |
| jbailey | Nonono, it's already done. | 08:28 |
| jbailey | Even Joerg. | 08:29 |
| ajmitch | you *must* have talked fast | 08:29 |
| jbailey | That's why I've stayed out of all of the discussions. | 08:29 |
| jbailey | Everyone's making noises about the current cdbs way of doing it, which is total crack. | 08:29 |
| ajmitch | agreed | 08:30 |
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| jbailey | Noone hates CDBS for reasons that should stop it from existing. | 08:31 |
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| jbailey | They hate it for the petty reasons like, not enough documentation, or difficult to get troubleshooting info out of it. | 08:31 |
| jbailey | Occasionally people come up with arguments for not using it that equally apply to debhelper and every patch system. | 08:31 |
| jbailey | But I try to ignore luddites. =) | 08:31 |
| === jbailey hides. | ||
| jbailey | But the problems that people have with cdbs are the ones that are relatively easy to solve. | 08:32 |
| bddebian | :-) | 08:32 |
| jbailey | So I think the *most* annoying thing with cdbs is that it's good enough right now that it's hard to find hackers for it. | 08:32 |
| ajmitch | the main complaint I see is that it hides too much\ | 08:32 |
| jbailey | So it's subject to my spare time. | 08:33 |
| ajmitch | ah spare time | 08:33 |
| jbailey | ajmitch: What does that mean? =) | 08:33 |
| ajmitch | very elusive | 08:33 |
| ajmitch | jbailey: people consider cdbs to be too much of a black box :) | 08:33 |
| jbailey | Most of the time it means that when it behaves unexpectedly, you can't ask it for details. | 08:33 |
| ajmitch | probably | 08:33 |
| jbailey | So that's a solvable issues. | 08:33 |
| jbailey | -s | 08:33 |
| jbailey | (Pick whichever s you want) | 08:33 |
| === ajmitch wonders whether there's a goal for sarge to be upgradeable to breezy | ||
| siretart | ajmitch: goal? for sure. requirement? I don't think so | 08:38 |
| ajmitch | siretart: it'd mean a bit more work for MOTUs to have a clean upgrade - we'd have to make sure merges are done, for one ;) | 08:39 |
| bddebian | Doh.. | 08:39 |
| === bddebian has been trying.. | ||
| siretart | ajmitch: I think that piuparts could be very useful in finding problematic packages | 08:40 |
| ajmitch | siretart: it will be, I've got to get it setup here | 08:40 |
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| herve | heya! | 08:42 |
| ajmitch | hi herve | 08:43 |
| bddebian | Howdy herve | 08:43 |
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| grover | is oprofile available through universe in hoary? it seems to be no longer available | 08:53 |
| dholbach | hi herve :) | 08:53 |
| dholbach | happy review day! :) | 08:53 |
| herve | daniel! | 08:53 |
| dholbach | grover: packages.ubuntu.com should know | 08:54 |
| grover | dholbach: it says yes but apt-get install oprofile says pkg not available but referred to by another pkg | 08:55 |
| dholbach | hm | 08:55 |
| herve | source package failed to compiled? | 08:56 |
| grover | how would one find out? | 08:58 |
| dholbach | http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/ | 08:59 |
| herve | http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/o/oprofile/ | 08:59 |
| herve | ha no, "successful" | 08:59 |
| herve | argh! | 09:00 |
| herve | me fool, you use hoary | 09:00 |
| herve | no, successful too | 09:00 |
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| comadreja | where can I find a list of linda overrides ? | 09:05 |
| comadreja | found | 09:07 |
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| dredg | lo all | 09:12 |
| grover | herve: so should I file a bugreport somewhere? I think it's kinda strange that a pkg in hoary universe (which isn't being actively updated anymore, right?) would just vanish | 09:15 |
| dholbach | hey dredg! | 09:21 |
| dholbach | niall! long time no see :) | 09:21 |
| comadreja | I need a revision on http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=245 | 09:21 |
| dredg | dholbach: you too :) | 09:21 |
| dredg | dholbach: i've been very busy | 09:21 |
| dredg | how are you? | 09:21 |
| dholbach | dredg: me too - still busy with my thesis - but i took some time off for review day :) | 09:22 |
| Nikopol | hi there | 09:22 |
| dholbach | i'm fine, thanks | 09:22 |
| dredg | dholbach: ah yes, the thesis :) hasn't that suffered enough? :) | 09:23 |
| dholbach | i have 3 weeks left :) | 09:23 |
| tseng | jeez | 09:23 |
| tseng | school takes forever there | 09:23 |
| dholbach | hahaha :) | 09:23 |
| dredg | dholbach: well good luck :) | 09:24 |
| dholbach | thank you very much :) | 09:24 |
| === dredg is currently looking for a new job before the current one kills him | ||
| Nikopol | I've created a deb of GNUDoku but need some help and feedback. | 09:24 |
| Nikopol | I've never packaged before so am pretty useless | 09:25 |
| Nikopol | I've placed the file here | 09:25 |
| Nikopol | http://www.mmboydell.f2s.com/gnudoku-0.91_0.91-1_i386.deb | 09:25 |
| dholbach | Nikopol: you may want to upload it to REVU (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU) - it catches most eyes there | 09:25 |
| Nikopol | aha | 09:25 |
| Nikopol | cheers dholbach | 09:25 |
| dholbach | Nikopol: we need the source package: .diff.gz .orig.tar.gz and .dsc | 09:26 |
| Nikopol | ok | 09:26 |
| dholbach | dredg: good luck with that too - you've been VERY busy | 09:26 |
| Nikopol | is there a simple howto somewhere? | 09:26 |
| Nikopol | Didn't find one in google | 09:26 |
| Nikopol | :( | 09:26 |
| dredg | dholbach: currently waiting to hear back from google | 09:26 |
| dredg | had a set of interviews with them on monday, so i should hear within the next two weeks | 09:27 |
| dholbach | Nikopol: the debian new maintainers guide and debian policy are a must (for looking stuff up), we have wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingTips on the wiki and at some stage you may want to have a pbuilder for checking the build properly (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto) - apt-get source <somepackage> is always good for comparing with other packages | 09:28 |
| Nikopol_out | thanks dholbach | 09:28 |
| dholbach | dredg: *fingers crossed* | 09:28 |
| Nikopol_out | dholbach: I think that's me sorted. Will work on it later on after the pub ;) | 09:29 |
| dholbach | Nikopol_out: but REVU (http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/) contains a lot of information hidden within - it's where we review packages of other guys - you'll find good and bad examples there | 09:29 |
| dredg | dholbach: my fingers have been crossed for over a month :) | 09:29 |
| dholbach | (no offense to anybody meant - you didn't see my first packages ;-p) | 09:29 |
| Nikopol_out | dholbach: thanks for your time | 09:29 |
| Nikopol_out | and the help :) | 09:29 |
| dholbach | de rien :) | 09:30 |
| herve | grover, I don't know what happen, so if no one can answer you tonight, the best is to file a bug | 09:31 |
| herve | sweet the new slaphscreen from OOo2 | 09:32 |
| dholbach | comadreja: reviewed | 09:32 |
| herve | and it opens fast | 09:32 |
| comadreja | dholbach : I don't have the year of the copyright, that's why I haven't put it | 09:35 |
| comadreja | it's not in upstream :/ | 09:35 |
| dholbach | comadreja: not even in a cvs changelog or something? | 09:35 |
| dholbach | comadreja: the guys being involved in it? at which stage? | 09:35 |
| grover | herve: ok thx | 09:36 |
| === ajmitch wonders if there'll be anything left for him to review :) | ||
| comadreja | dholbach : nopes, I couldn't find it anywhere | 09:36 |
| comadreja | ajmitch : you could review gmail-notify | 09:36 |
| dholbach | ok, it's surely just 2005 | 09:36 |
| comadreja | dholbach : I'll do that | 09:36 |
| dholbach | gmail doesn't exist that long ;) | 09:37 |
| dredg | i've had a gmail account for nearly a full year | 09:38 |
| comadreja | dholbach : how do you review that fast and that good ? :) | 09:39 |
| dredg | over a year actually | 09:39 |
| dholbach | i do? | 09:39 |
| dredg | since, erm, last march or april | 09:39 |
| comadreja | I think so | 09:39 |
| dholbach | dredg: oh well... :) | 09:39 |
| dholbach | comadreja: thank you very much - well i did most of the mistakes myself and got thrashed for it :-p | 09:40 |
| chillywilly | dredg: well aren't you special | 09:40 |
| dredg | chillywilly: yes, thanks | 09:40 |
| chillywilly | *thwap* | 09:40 |
| dredg | dholbach: i'd put the copyright at 2004 to be safe :) | 09:40 |
| dholbach | dredg: i raise no objections | 09:40 |
| dredg | chillywilly: if you've nothing productive to say, could you say it louder somewhere else? thanks. | 09:41 |
| dholbach | comadreja: and we were a smaller team and had quite a lot to do in hoary, maybe that's why :) | 09:41 |
| Lathiat | herve: opens fast? :P takes 23 seconds here | 09:41 |
| herve | it took 5 secs | 09:41 |
| comadreja | :) | 09:41 |
| Lathiat | 4 seconds hot off the disk cache | 09:41 |
| comadreja | I'd put 2004,2005, objections ? | 09:41 |
| chillywilly | dredg: no | 09:41 |
| dholbach | comadreja: fire away | 09:42 |
| chillywilly | dredg: thanks a bunch | 09:42 |
| ajmitch | slomo: wanting nemerle reviewed or not? | 09:43 |
| slomo | ajmitch: don't know... someone tries to get it into debian but i don't think it will hurt when we have an other package first ;) or what do you think? | 09:44 |
| ajmitch | slomo: it can hurt upgrades | 09:44 |
| ajmitch | ah, the ITP is nearly a year old | 09:45 |
| dholbach | ITPs give me headaches :) | 09:45 |
| slomo | yes but the guy is trying hard atm... i've contacted him | 09:45 |
| ajmitch | ah good | 09:45 |
| dholbach | we should do something about UniverseNewPackages, ajmitch's rfp list and the utnubu-list | 09:46 |
| ajmitch | that was my next question, whether you had contacted him :) | 09:46 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: I'm on the utnubu mailing list, have yet to announce myself :) | 09:46 |
| Riddell | new ksystemlog for review http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=246 | 09:46 |
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| dholbach | Riddell: let poor \sh_away sleep/do-whatever-pleases-him - he had a tough night at the office - i'll have a look at it | 09:47 |
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| slomo | ajmitch: so you think it's better to wait? ok, then move it to the archives or better nuke it ;) | 09:48 |
| ajmitch | slomo: depends on how the ITP author is going, whether he uses any of your package or not | 09:51 |
| slomo | ajmitch: i've taken his old package and changed it to conform with the CLIPolicy... but he already done a newer version himself which conforms to the policy and changed some other stuff too | 09:52 |
| ajmitch | maybe invite him to work within the pkg-mono team? | 09:53 |
| slomo | he was already invited by meebey... but i don't know his answer | 09:54 |
| ajmitch | ah great | 09:54 |
| tseng | who what? | 09:54 |
| ajmitch | tseng: nemerle itp | 09:54 |
| tseng | oh | 09:54 |
| tseng | slomo fixed his shit | 09:54 |
| tseng | hm | 09:55 |
| slomo | tseng: yeah but he has done a conforming version too and tries to get it into debian atm | 09:55 |
| tseng | meh fine | 09:55 |
| slomo | tseng: look here... what do you think? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportBoo | 09:55 |
| comadreja | http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=249 | 09:55 |
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| tseng | slomo: good | 09:56 |
| tseng | yes, i did read it :P | 09:56 |
| tseng | besides the bug | 09:56 |
| tseng | ive done like 10 of these | 09:56 |
| slomo | i've created a fix for the problem and dholbach uploaded it a few minutes ago ;) | 09:57 |
| tseng | woo | 09:58 |
| slomo | and i've contacted the debian maintainer to solve it for debian | 09:59 |
| dholbach | Riddell: i noted some points - but nothing kde specific, because i have NO clue :) | 09:59 |
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| Riddell | dholbach: what's the points? | 10:02 |
| dholbach | erm: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=246 | 10:03 |
| Riddell | thanks | 10:04 |
| dholbach | comadreja: you're lucky :) | 10:05 |
| siretart | uurh. rpath considered evil! | 10:05 |
| dholbach | siretart: you're hanging out with guys too much, who just see the evil things in the world :-p | 10:06 |
| comadreja | dholbach : :) | 10:06 |
| dholbach | comadreja: well done | 10:06 |
| comadreja | dholbach : I included the changes in the readme, would that be enough ? | 10:07 |
| comadreja | dholbach : you can check it | 10:07 |
| dholbach | comadreja: it's cool to have it in the changelog, so you better keep track of patches, if you have multiple ones and you drop one with the next package, add a new one a version later, ... | 10:07 |
| dholbach | comadreja: it's just fancy, but no must - that's why i advocated it | 10:08 |
| siretart | dholbach: http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/big-picture.html#faq-6.15 - I'm using 'evil' in a quite similar context ;) | 10:08 |
| comadreja | cool, thanks ! | 10:08 |
| dholbach | siretart: super, thanks for that link :) | 10:08 |
| dholbach | comadreja: if you read the debian/changelog of seb128's packages, you'll see what i mean (gnome-control-center for example) | 10:09 |
| comadreja | dholbach : yep, I've seen it, he has quite good packages | 10:10 |
| dholbach | yeah he rocks :) | 10:10 |
| comadreja | indeed | 10:11 |
| siretart | ok, I'm off for my GF for tonight. cu tomorrow, folks! | 10:12 |
| dholbach | bye siretart - have a nice evening | 10:12 |
| siretart | thanks :) | 10:12 |
| slomo | bye bye siretart :) have fun | 10:12 |
| comadreja | dholbach : sorry to bother you again, but do you think this is better ? | 10:20 |
| dholbach | that's lovely | 10:21 |
| comadreja | :) | 10:21 |
| dholbach | ok - i'm off as well - part-time-reviewing/uploading and part-time-thesis-writing doesnt work properly | 10:22 |
| dholbach | keep up the happy review day | 10:23 |
| comadreja | thanks ! | 10:23 |
| comadreja | enjoy | 10:23 |
| dholbach | de rien :) | 10:23 |
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| herve | night all | 10:55 |
| herve | or day :-) | 10:55 |
| Riddell | where can I find the list of files that don't need to be included in debian/docs ? | 10:58 |
| ajmitch | man dh_installdocs | 10:59 |
| ajmitch | it has some info about that | 10:59 |
| === ajmitch notes that for anyone writing debian/copyright files, they must include more than just the link to /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-2 | ||
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| comadreja | hey slomo :) | 11:34 |
| comadreja | ajmitch : :) | 11:34 |
| slomo | hey :) | 11:34 |
| ajmitch | comadreja: someone has to be picky about these things ;) | 11:35 |
| slomo | gn8 everybody | 12:00 |
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