[12:01] thanks, sistpoty :) [12:01] slomo: If you build it they will come [12:01] slomo: look up maininclusionrequirements iirc on the wiki [12:01] bddebian, did I not tell you I'd be moving back? [12:01] slomo: Or get mythtv for tseng :-) === tseng delegates harder [12:01] tritium: I don't recall so, but I'm braindead :-) [12:02] sorry im too braindead to do real work lately === Amaranth [travis@ip68-224-161-103.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:02] bddebian, time to pay my employer back for sending me to school [12:02] i hope pointing people in directions is helpful [12:02] tritium: Ah yes, that would be nice :-) [12:02] tseng: I can pickup some mono fun as well if you want [12:02] Anyway, gotta go get my wife and take her to dinner...see you all later. === tritium [~tritium@pal-171-079.itap.purdue.edu] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [12:02] Later tritium, enjoy [12:02] bah [12:02] tseng: ok, i'll try to get it into main then... thanks :) [12:02] ajmitch: i will probably clean up anything left over on Sunday [12:03] has anyone got a working sbuild-setup? [12:03] I gotta head home, later gang [12:03] cya, bddebian === HostingGeek [~HG@200.48.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:07] hmm... the Section part in debian/control of universe packages shouldn't be universe/bla, it should be just bla... right? [12:08] yeah universe is controled seperately [12:08] ie, things not whitelisted as "main" [12:08] (or restricted or multiverse)_ [12:09] ok... i was just puzzled when i saw universe/python in bddebian's package ;) [12:09] little question concerning the packaging.... [12:09] Apparently, I still have .sub and .guess in diff and I should perform make clean before packaging... [12:09] Which moment do I have to do it ? [12:10] after dh_make ? [12:16] slomo : ping [12:17] comadreja: pong [12:17] :) I need your knowledge again :D [12:17] I have some files in package.install but they don't get installed [12:17] this cdbs :) [12:18] you have package in control? paste me the content of the file in a query ;) [12:18] ok [12:20] comadreja: package name matches what is in control? [12:20] included debhelper.mk in rules? [12:21] yep, everything else works [12:21] yes, included [12:25] ok, i'm off to bed... cya [12:25] bye sistpoty === terrex [~terrex@84-122-73-155.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === SEBest [~chatzilla@sebest.ovibes.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:47] buuurp [12:53] yes, thankyou for your valuable contribution === poningru [~poningru@pool-71-243-228-244.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jasoncohen [~jason@pcp0011382713pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [travis@ip68-224-161-103.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:52] <\sh> re [01:53] so whats the current pending work [01:54] wb \sh [01:54] <\sh> wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUToMerge [01:54] still plenty of merges, filing RFPs, nicely filing patches for changes we've made, into debian BTS [01:54] <\sh> hey slomo [01:54] besides any other breakage that we have to fix like GLU, C++ :) [01:54] <\sh> slomo: imms [01:55] <\sh> In file included from ../immscore/imms.h:9, from ../immsd/immsd.cc:7: [01:55] <\sh> ../immscore/xidle.h:5:22: error: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory [01:55] <|QuaD-> breezy xlibs = b0rked? [01:55] \sh: wonderfull... but why does it build on every other architecture then? :/ [01:55] <\sh> slomo: I added libx11-dev,libxss-dev [01:55] <\sh> but I think it's more then that on amd64 [01:56] Lathiat: so don't worry, you won't run out of work to do! :) [01:56] hrm so i cant see anything needing work on the ToMerge page [01:56] how can i determine leftover cxx stuff? [01:56] Lathiat: click the bug list URL [01:57] <\sh> Lathiat: wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseUnmetDeps [01:57] <\sh> is for cxx apps stuff [01:58] \sh: right, I think we need to update that list though === ajmitch can't remember the shell/apt magic to get it [01:58] \sh: does it build now? [01:58] <\sh> slomo: no [01:59] aha, apt-cache unmet [01:59] ajmitch: yeh usefull :) [01:59] <\sh> slomo: this is configure status [01:59] <\sh> checking for XFlush in -lX11... no [01:59] <\sh> checking for XextFindDisplay in -lXext... no [01:59] <\sh> checking for XScreenSaverQueryInfo in -lXss... no [01:59] <\sh> checking for X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h... no [01:59] <\sh> but libxss-dev and libx11-dev should give all that, but i can be, that configure.ac is completly wrong [01:59] \sh: nice... what does config.log say? [02:00] <\sh> configure:5830: g++ -o conftest -g -O2 -I/usr/include/taglib -shared -L/usr/X11R6/lib conftest.cc -lXss -lpcre -lsqlite3 -lz -ltag >&5 [02:00] <\sh> /usr/bin/ld: /tmp/ccKPhvjk.o: relocation R_X86_64_PC32 against `XScreenSaverQueryInfo' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC [02:00] <\sh> /usr/bin/ld: final link failed: Bad value [02:01] hm... already added -fPIC to CFLAGS? (or LDFLAGS?) [02:02] <\sh> it's in Xss [02:02] <\sh> checking for X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h... no [02:02] <\sh> configure: WARNING: XScreenSaver is missing. [02:02] <\sh> Xss must be recompiled [02:04] hmm but that's only on amd64? [02:04] <\sh> yes [02:04] <\sh> libXss and libX11 are behaving like this [02:06] Would it be a bad idea to set APTCACHEDIR to /var/cache/apt/archives ? [02:07] <\sh> who set monotone to pending upload now? [02:07] <\sh> he/she has to fix it ,-) === bddebian [~bddebian@pcp08717033pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:09] bddebian: your python-pyrtf upload is in the archive... but you can fix it in a few minutes ;) [02:10] slomo: I can fix it? What's wrong. [02:10] slomo: Hi btw :-) [02:10] anyone here has a little howto for cdbs ? cause I'm readding a doc about 30 pages and fill a bit lots ;) [02:11] Tonio-: as your packages use autotools you're maybe done with this rules: https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml#id2453401 [02:11] <\sh> Tonio-: please learn debhelper first...before u start bitching around with cdbs..please [02:12] <\sh> it's better to know the basics first === \sh sounds really like ogra [02:12] okay ;) [02:12] <\sh> Tonio-: I'm telling you this, because cdbs can be a real pain in da a** [02:13] <\sh> if you don't know where to look, when something's wrong, then u r lost..really [02:13] but it appear to be very important to use it isn't it ? [02:13] <\sh> so when you can read makefiles and come to terms with plain debhelper it's easier for u to determine bugs in cdbs [02:13] <\sh> Tonio-: important is to read makefiles [02:13] \sh: how do i set the directory where dh_install installs everything into? [02:13] k [02:14] <\sh> slomo: are u installing evering into debian/tmp//? === Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:15] <\sh> slomo: normally u set dh_install --sourcedir= and destdir depends on your package... [02:16] so just to be sure I understand well, when you want to use cdbs, you have to create manually the rules files according to the makefile structure is that correct ? [02:16] \sh: nope... debian/package [02:17] <\sh> slomo: then u don't need dh_install [02:17] <\sh> dh_install will move normally from debian/tmp/usr/bin/bla to debian//usr/bin/bla if in package.install usr/bin/bla is set (see man dh_install note on --autodest) [02:18] \sh: ok, what is to be done when i have a file named package in debian/? ;) [02:19] <\sh> create a package.install ,-) [02:20] <\sh> ah you mean u have a file in debian/bla [02:20] yes [02:20] <\sh> or debian/blubb and u want to move it to the install dir [02:20] <\sh> ? [02:21] <\sh> mv $(CURDIR)/debian/blubb $(CURDIR)/debian// [02:21] <\sh> bah...it's 2:21 ,-) [02:22] <\sh> or better s/mv/cp/ [02:22] well ok, from the beginning :) i have a file named packagename in debian/ this has to be installed in /usr/bin later... but as dh_install puts all stuff in a directory named debian/packagename the file gets overwritten and everything is broken ;) [02:22] <\sh> or use $(INSTALL) if it's available if not `install` will do the same and sets perms and owner correctly and creates directories [02:23] <\sh> ah ok.. [02:23] <\sh> then rename the file debian/packagename to debian/packagename.tobeinstalled [02:23] <\sh> then $(INSTALL) $(CURDIR)/debian/packagename.tobeinstalled /packagename [02:24] ok, thanks :) [02:24] <\sh> but it's better to put the file debian/packagename into the upstream tar.gz and create a new orig.tar.gz [02:25] <\sh> so u have a cleaner diff.gz [02:25] <\sh> and if it's binary, debdiff is not complaining ,-) [02:25] i used dh_install to install the file but as destination is always a directory you can't rename the file with dh_install ;) [02:25] hmm changing the upstream tarball? i thought that is evil? [02:25] <\sh> that's right..u have to do the install dance normally [02:25] <\sh> depends [02:26] on what? ;) [02:26] make: *** No rule to make target `unpatch'. Stop. [02:27] I get that when trying to dpatch-edit-patch [02:27] <\sh> slomo: what the debian/packagename file is [02:27] <\sh> comadreja: but it uses dpatch already? [02:27] it's cdbs enabled [02:28] <\sh> then please use simple-patchsys [02:28] I just included the dpatch line [02:28] <\sh> no forget dpatch [02:28] <\sh> cdbs comes with cdbs-edit-patch [02:28] awesome, I hate dpatch :D [02:29] <\sh> but normall diff -ur is also quite good :) I don't like those automatic tools ;) [02:30] \sh: i don't like them either ;) feels like loosing control... [02:30] \sh: Life sucks when it's too easy for you? =) === jbailey hides. [02:30] :) [02:32] Does synced mean straight from Debian and merged mean merged with existing Ubuntu patches??? [02:33] <\sh> jbailey: well..no :) [02:33] <\sh> jbailey: but I have to see what I'm doing and what I'm patching [02:33] <\sh> bddebian: yes [02:34] <\sh> jbailey: but it helps with some nasty merges a lot those automatic tools..especially when the merge.diff is patching the source without using debian/patches/* ,-) [02:34] <\sh> configure: error: Can't find libm. Please check config.log and if you can't solve the problem send the file to torcs-users@lists.sourceforge.net with the subject "torcs compilation problem" [02:34] <\sh> ekks [02:34] <\sh> thats too much for me at night.. [02:35] \sh: Got aconfig.log? [02:35] Nothing should ever fail to find libm. =) [02:35] \sh: thx [02:36] <\sh> jbailey: yes... [02:37] bddebian: looked at my comment to your python-pyrtf upload? [02:37] <\sh> configure:21031: g++ -o conftest -g -Wall -O2 -Wall -fPIC -O2 -DUSE_RANDR_EXT -L conftest.cc -lm >&5 [02:38] <\sh> /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.0.2/../../../crt1.o: In function `_start': [02:38] <\sh> ../sysdeps/i386/elf/start.S:115: undefined reference to `main' [02:38] <\sh> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status [02:38] Huu... [02:38] Does conftest.cc contain a main? [02:39] <\sh> please excuse for this mess now :) [02:39] <\sh> | #ifdef __cplusplus [02:39] <\sh> | extern "C" [02:39] <\sh> | #endif [02:39] <\sh> | /* We use char because int might match the return type of a gcc2 [02:39] <\sh> | builtin and then its argument prototype would still apply. */ [02:39] <\sh> | char sin (); [02:39] <\sh> | int [02:39] <\sh> | main () [02:39] <\sh> | { [02:39] <\sh> | sin (); [02:39] <\sh> | ; [02:39] <\sh> | return 0; [02:39] <\sh> | } [02:39] slomo: Not yet, waiting to get kids in bed :-) [02:40] <\sh> if you have some tips or tricks send it to sh@sourcecode.de :) [02:40] <\sh> I'm going to bed now [02:41] gn8 \sh :) [02:41] <\sh> off to bed :) cheers guys === niran [~niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio- [~tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra_d [~ogra@p5089BD70.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [~ogra@p5089BD70.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === crimsun stomps through more merges === chillywilly tries not to get trampled [04:36] chillywilly: to avoid getting trampled, you can help with the merging :) [04:36] hehe [04:37] helping out is a condition of being in here ;) === jamessan [~jamessan@c-24-218-220-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:59] ajmitch: Bah, says who? ;-P [05:01] leaving vlc until wxwidgets2.6 enters main. [05:01] :-) [05:02] bddebian: says me [05:02] crimsun: doing the same for boa-constructor :) === ajmitch hopes it gets there soon [05:02] but boa-constructor would have to break UVF [05:05] hrm anyone know about postgresql deps? [05:05] looking at grass, it fails on checking for libpq-fe.h... no [05:05] ah, you'd have to blame pitti there [05:05] but it does exist [05:05] and it seems to be in the package [05:05] he did changes things around [05:05] ajmitch: oh its in the wrong spot or something? [05:05] got libpq-dev? [05:05] yeh i have libpq-dev [05:05] i can only suspect its looking in the wrong spot? [05:06] possibly [05:06] all I know is that he made some changes :) [05:07] and hes conveniently not online :P [05:07] http://bur.st/~lathiat/ubuntu/rezound.diff [05:07] simple cxx rebuild, who handles that? [05:07] ajmitch: Oh yeah, and who are you? ;-) [05:08] he's a slave driver ;) [05:08] chillywilly: of course [05:08] chillywilly: No shix man :-) [05:08] Oops I'm not supposed to fake swear [05:09] Where is Seth_k anyway? [05:10] little does he know that he will be doing my bidding [05:10] heh [05:10] ajmitch: you get cross-subnet/cross-workgroup browsing over my VPN tunnel via samba WINS server and I will do anything you want me to do ;) [05:11] get it working for me that is :) [05:12] d00d, DONT use WINS!!! [05:12] where are the FTBS logs [05:12] bddebian: there's not other way to do it over a routed VPN tunnel [05:12] no* [05:13] chillywilly: Is it truly an NT domain or W2K+? [05:13] um, well at corporate I have the samba server [05:13] with winXP machines on a "workgroup" [05:13] <|QuaD-> how well do NT or AD domains work on linux? how easy is the setup? [05:13] |QuaD-: Pretty easy [05:14] then I tunnel from my home network whioch has 2 samba sever configured to use the WINS server on that end [05:14] workgroup here is LET [05:14] <|QuaD-> bddebian: i am considering taking an old box and putting ubuntu on it and using it at work [05:14] FRODO and GANDALF are the hosts [05:14] <|QuaD-> right now its a windows only operation [05:14] chillywilly: So just add hosts entries darnit :-) [05:14] there's a bunch of boxes on the corp IT network [05:14] <|QuaD-> chillywilly: OUR webmaster used to name them LOTR chars too [05:14] that does not make browsing work [05:14] <|QuaD-> i changed the naming to citys [05:14] I have /etc/hosts entries for everything [05:15] chillywilly: It can. [05:15] chillywilly: What are you trying to browse with? [05:15] I suppose I can put hosts in the revolve order thingy [05:15] Aye === thoreauputic [~prospero@wolax7-159.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:15] nautilus and/or winXP when I am at work :) [05:15] <|QuaD-> my goal is to replace our exchange server with something like hula [05:15] <|QuaD-> problem is, exchange really does a nice job [05:15] I have a Ubuntu and WinXP box on my desk at work [05:15] chillywilly: If you have to you could even add LMHOSTS entries to the Windows boxen [05:15] an* [05:16] |QuaD-: You didn't actually say that did you?? ;-) [05:16] that's true but this all seems like a pain in the ass [05:16] I eventually want to tie together all MX machines into one big network via openvpn [05:16] we have 16 locations nation wide [05:16] So is WINS over a router, I told you that :-) [05:16] <|QuaD-> bddebian: i don't like microsoft, but i think they did well with exchange, incredibly easy to admin [05:16] |QuaD-: Yep === chillywilly slaps bddebian around some :) [05:17] |QuaD-: Though Exchange 2K is a little squirrely with the AD integration I think [05:17] <|QuaD-> bddebian: and it has a lot of functionality, i can't find a free linux product that is as functional [05:17] <|QuaD-> bddebian: we are using 5.5 :) [05:17] Ahhh :-) [05:17] <|QuaD-> bddebian: i am deciding between upgrading to 2k3 or some linux groupwar [05:17] <|QuaD-> e [05:17] <|QuaD-> problem is, if something isn't broke, then don't fix it [05:18] bddebian: my home network is just a "test" for setting up one of our branches ;) [05:18] <|QuaD-> bddebian: do you know of any free exchange alternatives? [05:18] |QuaD-: Have you looked at Exchange4Linux? I haven't looked at it in quite a while [05:19] I want to go out and buy wrt54gs's and load a customer firmware into them to create our VPN as that seems like a cheap linux-based solution :) [05:19] <|QuaD-> bddebian: no, what is it? [05:19] custom* [05:19] <|QuaD-> i can't really look now, my X is still b0rked :( [05:19] just have those routers at each location [05:19] <|QuaD-> and i am getting mad at links/lynx [05:19] running openvpn and/or samba [05:19] chillywilly I have a wap54g and works great [05:20] chillywilly :) I only have problems with my laptop's wpa_supplicant on startup [05:20] well with a wrt54gs this device will be their default gateway too :) [05:20] and they're relatively cheap, ~$70 on newegg.com [05:20] chillywilly I see, I have a linux router as default gateway [05:21] chillywilly: Use a hardware solution, it's usually easier to administer anyway. [05:21] I have a debian box with 2 nics in it here [05:21] bddebian: it is a hardware solution [05:21] :) [05:21] it's a linksys router for crying out loud [05:21] just happens to run linux :) [05:21] chillywilly: Huh??? [05:21] which makes it infinitely more configurable [05:22] I already have the VPN working, just wrestling with winblows networking [05:22] OK, should I fix my python-pyrtf package or continue with merge bugs??? [05:22] I can ping back and for between the 2 private LANS [05:22] chillywilly: By hostname? [05:22] sure [05:22] well no [05:22] by IP address [05:22] chillywilly: you don't need broadcast for WINS, I hope? [05:22] Ah ha [05:22] no, WINS is unicast UDP [05:23] thought so [05:23] WINS is puke [05:23] you cannot do broadcast over a tunnel [05:23] Use DNS [05:23] ajmitch openvpn in it's tap mode acts as a layer2 device [05:23] chillywilly: sure, if it's a layer2 tunnel [05:23] comadreja: not surprising [05:23] tap device you mean? [05:23] I've got a layer 2 tunnel setup here [05:24] well openvpn doesn't use a layer 2 tunnel then [05:24] multipoint, does ethernet over udp [05:24] chillywilly yes, you can configure it to be a layer 2 tunnel [05:24] how? [05:24] my setup is good for doing ipv6 :) [05:24] chillywilly using the tap device instead of the tun [05:25] tap sucks [05:25] chillywilly there are documents explaining it [05:25] I know [05:25] chillywilly: so does WINS, :P [05:25] but tap is crappy [05:25] yes WINS sucks too [05:25] :) [05:25] everything sucks :D [05:25] weee [05:26] btw, is there any document on the procedure on how to review pacakges ? [05:29] I think ssh should be part of ubuntu-desktop [05:30] drives me nuts when I get home and realize that I have no sshd installed on a machine that is behind the NAT/firewall :( [05:30] chillywilly: there's a policy of no services by default [05:30] blah [05:31] I swear I had it installed too so I am thinking something ripped it out [05:31] a recent upgrade or whatever [05:31] maybe not [05:31] probably jsut forgot to install it after redoing an install === lamont__ [~lamont@15.238.5.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:42] ack WTF. I cannot log in to REVU.. :-( === ricosuave17 [~fw@c-24-99-206-125.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:51] hello [05:53] Hello ricosuave17 [05:54] if i make a new .deb can i geti ti to u [05:55] you can put it up for review & we can take a look at it [05:55] ok ill see what i can do but cant it be uploaded quicker? [05:56] not without us checking it [05:57] ok but how can u check like 300000 packages a day [05:57] we don't [05:57] then what do u u do [05:58] we check only new and updated packages [06:01] well dont peolep make lots of those [06:01] nope [06:01] why not [06:02] because there are already about 20000 packages in ubuntu [06:02] and someone would have to care enough about something to package it [06:02] well there are lots of thing on freshmeat that dont have packges [06:02] only rpms [06:03] if they're useful, feel free to package them [06:04] is it hard to make packags? [06:04] depends on the software that you're packaging [06:04] generally, it's not too hard [06:05] there are a number of things that you need to learn to do it well [06:05] what thingies? [06:05] How to bow to ajmitch for starters ;-) [06:05] ajmitch: ??? [06:06] ricosuave17: You need to understand a little about how Debian/Ubuntu packaging works [06:06] ricosuave17: Try the Debian New Maintainers guide as a good starting point [06:06] ok [06:10] have u seen a packgae for gconfigure [06:11] I haven't personally but that doesn't mean a whole lot :-) [06:13] well anyway. there seems to be no package for it === rob^ [~rob@rob-ubuntu.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:17] gconfigure is different than gconf2? [06:18] yes [06:18] wtf is gconfigure [06:18] use google, it shows you :) [06:18] some gui frontend to running ./configure [06:19] yes can someone help me find some equivalnet plz [06:19] oh thats cool [06:19] ajmitch: Who has time for google, I'm trying to merge man.. ;-) [06:19] maybe if xchat had google in it [06:22] Damn I have GOT to create a message filter for bugzilla.. Sheesh [06:22] i think freshmeat should have a deb repostery [06:23] Use alien and convert it if you just want it for yourself [06:24] but well wat if its tar.gz [06:24] ./configure && make :-) [06:24] then someone has to put in a little effort & package it [06:25] but ./configure wont also work right [06:25] hrm [06:26] i take it 'xmkmf' is missing from xutils [06:26] liek the other things [06:26] Lathiat: quite likely [06:26] sigh, this is blocking so many thing [06:26] s [06:26] any idea when that'l be fixed? [06:27] fly to melbourne [06:27] give daniels some beer [06:27] repeat step above [06:27] heh [06:27] i already owe him a carton [06:27] although it's probably closer for me to fly to melbourne [06:28] or i could ask someone to send it for me :) [06:28] where's the fun in that? [06:29] Lathiat: Yes [06:29] or yes its missing. Its from xutils which got split in xorg I think [06:30] Lathiat: btw how's the ipv6 stuff going? :) [06:30] ajmitch: havent really done much lately [06:31] closest decent tunnel broker for me is aarnet, which is a bit limiting [06:31] ajmitch: where are you from? [06:31] and whats wrong with aarnet? [06:31] dunedin [06:31] ahh [06:31] are you on the lca committee? [06:32] nope [06:32] I'll probably get dragged into being a volunteer though around LCA time [06:32] since I worked for one of the committee guys [06:37] ugh i hate C++ [06:38] oen link just filled like 1500 liens with errors [06:38] lots of lovely undefined references [06:38] better than multi-line template errors [06:38] where you try & read an error message spanning 10 lines.. [06:38] heh [07:00] Well gnight folks [07:00] night bddebian === Panzerboy [~NoName@panzerboy.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob^ [~rob@rob-ubuntu.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Panzerboy [~NoName@panzerboy.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thoreauputic [~prospero@wolax6-054.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [foobar@td9091b35.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:42] hey [07:42] how's the review day coming on? === ajmitch hasn't reviewed anything yet :) [07:43] since I just got home from work [07:43] poor you :/ [07:46] hmm, didn't realise that liferea was in universe === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:dholbach] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | for reviewing (NEW or updated)? go here: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/ | First priority: MERGING , deadline was 2005-07-21 buglist: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUToMerge | http://wiki.debian.net/?EtchSlang2upgrade | HAPPY REVI [07:47] arglargl === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:dholbach] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | for reviewing (NEW or updated)? go here: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/ | First priority: MERGING , deadline was 2005-07-21 buglist: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUToMerge | http://wiki.debian.net/?EtchSlang2upgrade | HAPPY REVI [07:47] REVI? :) === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:dholbach] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | for reviewing (NEW or updated)? go here: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/ | First priority: MERGING , deadline was 2005-07-21 buglist: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUToMerge | http://wiki.debian.net/?EtchSlang2upgrade | HAPPY REVIEW DAY! :) [07:47] heh [07:54] bbl, need sleep [07:54] sleep tight [08:11] yaaaay, it works [08:11] w00t [08:12] chillywilly: whaaaaaaaaaat wooooooooorks? [08:12] erm, winblows browsing over my openvpn tunnel via samba and WINS === jsgotangco [~jgotangco@202.57.71.236] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:12] excellent === mitsuhiko [~blackbird@80.122.201.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko [~doko___@dsl-084-059-076-040.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Unfrgiven [~ankur@202.76.176.94] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:50] who of you still has stuff on MOTUNewPackages and MOTUToReview ? could you please help clean up? [08:50] Unfrgiven: did you see: there's a new FUSA release === thoreauputic [~prospero@wolax6-121.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:59] anthony mercacante? === mitsuhiko [~blackbird@80.122.201.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:12] who of you is having fun reviewing as well? :-p [09:13] shall we just trash MOTUNewPackages and MOTUToReview? === petgru [~omega@ua-83-227-176-123.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Valandil [~chrys@dsl-084-056-114-218.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Panzerboy [~NoName@panzerboy.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu === petgru [~omega@ua-83-227-176-123.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === petgru is now known as pete === JRe [~jre@adsl-169-178.36-151.net24.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:59] i'm off to university - see you later - HAPPY REVIEWING! === HostingGeek is now known as BillGates === HostingGeek [~HG@200.48.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob^ [~rob@rob-ubuntu.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-motu === HostingGeek [~HG@200.48.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === petgru [~omega@ua-83-227-176-123.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === petgru is now known as pete === dholbach [foobar@td9091b35.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:38] <\sh> moins dholbach :) [10:38] re [10:39] \sh: happy review day :) [10:40] hi [10:40] <\sh> dholbach: hehe :) I'm just arrived at office..totally tired :( === JRe [~jre@adsl-169-178.36-151.net24.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:40] i can imagine - how was your night? [10:41] hi mitsuhiko [10:41] <\sh> dholbach: terrible [10:41] small information. the initscript of mldonkey has an mistace. 'if [ -z "$MDLONKEY_DIR" ] ; then' should be 'if [ -z "$MLDONKEY_DIR" ] ; then' [10:41] <\sh> dholbach: 20 services gone cause of the thunderstorm [10:41] hi dholbach [10:42] mitsuhiko: fix it and write a bug report :) [10:42] (to debian) [10:42] <\sh> dholbach: but not on our equipment ... so i had to track down which equipment was the faulty one...tried to reach the other guys...and then tried to get everything running again [10:42] dholbach: ok. I'll do [10:43] <\sh> dholbach: but after 1 1/2h i went back home...and couldn't sleep at all.this morning 6am I felt asleep :( [10:45] ouch :/ [10:46] <\sh> yes..ouch [10:50] Google(TM) === Seveas [~seveas@ksl403-uva-141.wireless.uva.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === poningru [~poningru@pool-68-238-172-6.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Danten [~danten@h21n8c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === HostingGeek is now known as BillGates === BillGates is now known as HostingGeek [11:23] where are the REVIEW DAY live messages? :) === ogra reviews the merge buglist [11:24] wow [11:25] looks excellent [11:25] yep, down to 72.... 13 of them pending for upload :) [11:26] in 7 days down from 240 :) [11:26] we have such a rocking MOTU crew :) [11:27] yep :) but next time we should have a better claendar (at least one where people look at) that we dont catch the date one day before deadline.... :) everybody missed it [11:28] dholbach, we're missing your good organization :) [11:28] it WAS on the calendar and i put it on MOTUTodo some weeks before :) === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.236] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:28] but you're right, we should have raised awareness to a higher extent [11:28] dholbach, that doesnt help if nobody looks at it :) [11:28] true that [11:29] and no dholbach pokes us all to look ;) [11:29] merci beaucoup, monsieur :) [11:30] ;) [11:32] reviewing min12xxw === Mez [~Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:37] reviewing ceferino [11:37] review day [11:37] *bounces* [11:38] woohoo! :) [11:39] who votes in favor of trashing MOTUToReview and MOTUNewPackages? [11:39] huh MOTUToReview ? [11:39] dholbach, er, [11:39] i thought MOTUToReview got trashed long time ago in favor of revu.... the packages shoudl move over [11:40] that's my opinion too [11:40] since when was debian/control not needed in a package? [11:40] Mez: debian/control. <--- DOT [11:40] ah [11:40] the pages didn't receive significant changes in the last three weeks afaik [11:40] since when do packages build without a control file ? [11:40] fair engouh [11:41] ogra, I was confused at dholbach's comment of " debian/control. not needed," [11:41] heh [11:42] debian/control is for losers! [11:42] php4-universe will likely move to main [11:42] except i get all edubuntu stuf running on php5, which i doubt === ogra wonders what for somebody packages kbootsplash.... it will break with usplash... [11:43] ogra: why will it move into main? [11:44] Mez, because moodle and mediawiki move.... [11:44] the mediawiki package debian just prepares cant use php5.... [11:44] (if a package moves to main, all its dependencys have to move as well) [11:45] its a long buerocratic process [11:46] reviewing kio-apt === koke [~koke@169.Red-217-127-113.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:46] hi all! [11:46] hey KOKE! [11:47] how are you? [11:47] fine... thank you - still busy with my thesis, but taking a break for REVIEW DAY! :) [11:47] how are you? [11:48] hmm [11:48] my package is making a config.guess and config.sub on a debuild -S -sa [11:48] Mez: in my opinion that's a good thing to do [11:48] it is [11:48] dholbah - why [11:48] I was bitched at before for having them in it [11:48] I've been quite busy [11:49] and someone bitched at them being in the diff [11:49] you shoudlnt have it in the debdiff [11:49] too much work at job, finals, and new job now [11:49] Mez: since you don't rely on a *random* recent autotools-dev (/usr/share/misc) on the build daemon - you have more control over what you upload [11:49] it should get copied on build time... [11:49] I *need* to get back on MOTU work :) [11:49] I missed this :P [11:49] koke: i can imagine - i want to get back to it too [11:49] so I should shove it into my .orig.tar.gz ? [11:49] ogra: then you rely on having a *random* one on the building machine [11:49] now, there's no time for FindingPackages in breezy :( [11:50] Mez: no - keep the orig.tar.gz as it is === dholbach nods sadly towards koke [11:50] dholbach, but, it's now putting them in diff.gz [11:50] dholbach, but a matching one that fits te distro... its not *this* random [11:50] dholbach, and you have a heavily cluttered diff [11:50] it's like auto* stuff done on a buildd - it makes me feel uneasy [11:51] "heavily cluttered" is *heavily* exaggerated :) [11:51] well, then [11:51] can you guys review this [11:51] http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=161 [11:51] dholbach, so tell me the difference of one that i copy locally into the sourcepackag in breezy or one the buildd copies from the same package at buildtime [11:51] and then see what I'm on about [11:51] we're talking about two files - depending on the recent-ness of the upstream author's system [11:51] dholbach, this is a new package [11:52] ogra: i have control over what i upload and what is built, there's a reason dh_make's rules-file and cdbs does it automagically [11:52] Mez: i'll do it after kio-apt [11:53] hey dholbach :) [11:53] good morning all [11:53] morning comadreja :) [11:53] dholbach, i only opload for one release of one distro... there is no difference, except it makes the diff readable [11:54] dholbach : I would like to comment on one of my packages [11:54] comadreja: fire away [11:54] ogra: in your opinion where should the cp -f /usr/share/misc/config.sub config.sub; cp -f /usr/share/misc/config.guess config.guess be in debian/rules [11:54] dholbach : could you check control.in in gmail-notify ? [11:55] Mez, in my opinion it belongs in the beginning of the build target [11:55] dholbach : because it is cdbs autogenerated [11:55] Mez, in dholbachs opinion it belongs in the clean target [11:55] for me thats an abuse of the clean target [11:56] ogra, well dh_make puts it there automatically [11:56] i know [11:56] comadreja: you should build-depend on a specific python version as well [11:56] dholbach : it is done by dh_python [11:56] Mez, but if you clean your flat, do you carry the dust in or out ? [11:56] ogra: in the clean target you make sure, that when you build a source package you have a recent config.{guess,sub} [11:57] dholbach, in the build target you make that sure too since its the same version :) [11:57] dholbach, to be fair, for me - it'd pull in .guess and .sub from hoary [11:57] which could be a problem [11:57] comadreja: do you have to ship the control file if you have the control.in - i was just astounded by the explicit depends line [11:58] I do agree with ogra === koke [~koke@169.Red-217-127-113.pooles.rima-tde.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Kopete] [11:58] Mez: if you're on hoary you can't guarantee that the package will build/work on breezy - that's a bigger problem [11:59] dholbach : I just wrote control.in the rest is cdbs... it is regenerated on every debian/rules clean [11:59] ogra: but you rely on some magic done on the buildd - which is something i strongly oppose against [11:59] comadreja: the explicit depends line as well? [11:59] dholbach, all breezy packages *must* build on on hoary now... we have a backports policy [11:59] dholbach : yes [11:59] ogra: you have to make sure it works in breezy in the first place [11:59] comadreja: that's funny :) [11:59] dholbach, nope [11:59] dholbach, I use a pbuilder [11:59] dholbach, you have to make sure it works in both [12:00] ogra: "first" :) [12:00] dholbach, you are not the person who needs to test it (that Mez) but the one to fix it if it doesnt work [12:00] s/that/thats [12:00] Mez: i know, but that doesnt help you with the source package - does it? :) === _koke [~koke@169.Red-217-127-113.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:00] dholbach, wha? [12:00] dholbach : do you advocate now ? [12:01] dholbach, all my packages for brezy go through a pbuilder before I make a source package [12:01] comadreja: i'll have another look [12:01] Mez: yeah - i got that point [12:01] dholbach, are you saying that my packages are going to not work because I use a chroot to build them? [12:01] Mez: but the pbuilder doesnt help with you config.{guess,sub} in the clean target, which you call on hoary system, right? [12:02] Mez: not neccessarily "don't work" [12:02] dholbach, hence why you move it to the build target [12:02] Mez: i'm talking about control over what is built [12:02] Mez: I don't move it to the build target? [12:02] Mez: did i say that somewhere? [12:02] Mez, ogra: i understand both approaches [12:02] dholbach, but, you're using breezy are you not? [12:02] yes [12:03] therefore, you can do that, and not neccesarily cause problems [12:03] for noe [12:03] now * [12:03] Mez, ogra: but since i got flamed for invoking automake on a buildd, which might be compared (modifying the build system on the buildd), i have my reasons to like the clean-target approach better [12:03] but i'm ok with both ideas/approaches/religions [12:03] dholbach, i'm not talking about running any auto* stuff [12:04] dholbach, this is a simeple copy of 2 files [12:04] not auto* [12:04] its only copying of two files :) [12:04] ogra: i'm talking about modifying build system stuff on the buildd [12:04] i know [12:05] and i make sure its the most recent version for the distro if i copy it on the buildd [12:05] dholbach, it's not modifying the build system [12:05] so i dont see te problem here....beside a silly default habit of dh_make [12:05] you're relying on the build system on whatever box your package is built - that's what i'm talking about - you're assuming it will be alright [12:06] the build will be done in a chroot, so it'll just get from the chroot, not from anywhere else and means you get latest version of .guess and .sub [12:06] dholbach, i rely on the *distro* which is the base for m build system [12:06] my even [12:06] it's alright with me, absolutely [12:08] maybe we should take that discussion to ubuntu-devel@ [12:09] might be nice to hear some additional statements on it [12:09] I was thinking that dholbach [12:09] cool [12:12] comadreja: couldnt advocate it - doesnt it build on amd64? [12:15] dholbach : problem is upstream authos includes a .so [12:15] dholbach : without it's sources [12:15] ouch [12:15] double-ouch [12:16] i'm not quite sure how we handle that license-wise [12:16] it's also included in package straw, with it's sources [12:16] so it's gpl'ed [12:17] but this author was quite crappy , if I may say [12:17] not sure how we handle that [12:17] * maybe you could rm debian/control in the clean target - only for beauty reasons. :) [12:17] wtf? [12:18] ogra ? [12:18] Mez: he has debian/control.in which generates debian/control [12:18] oh, ok [12:18] lol === Mez was confused and a little scared [12:18] comadreja, ? [12:19] control.in is da uglyness [12:19] but sadly many people do it... [12:19] ogra, yes, in package gmail-notify, upstream author includes a gpl .so already compiled without sources [12:19] ogra: it isnt :) [12:19] ogra: sorry to oppose again [12:19] Mez: reviewed gaim-assistant === ogra has seen control.in.in.in constructs *shudder* [12:20] constructs? [12:20] yes, [12:20] what's that? [12:20] a package? [12:20] see you all later, i gotta grab some food at the grocer... [12:20] dholbach, whats the usecase to have a .in file there ? [12:21] ogra: debian gnome packages add a dynamically added uploads line (to make sure everybody in the gnome team can upload) [12:21] ogra: cdbs takes care of tools you might need (bunzip2, sharutils, python, ...) [12:21] everybody can upload ??? [12:21] no [12:21] everybody in the team [12:21] it's created by gnome.mk or gnome-pkg-tools or something [12:21] damn, yesterday I had a package without cdbs, and everybody recommended me to use cdbs :D [12:22] shuldnt the uploaders be handled by the kaeyring and not in the control file ? thats silly [12:22] then I reupload with cdbs, and look :D [12:22] they add the guys mail adress one time and he can upload all the packages that use it [12:22] comadreja, *shudder* [12:22] ogra: we're talking about debian - they don't have a debian gnome keyring - they don't want to do NMUs all the time [12:22] comadreja, use cdbs wisely wher it makes sense [12:22] comadreja: the problem is not cdbs - the problem is the .so file [12:22] comadreja, but only there [12:23] dholbach, i have no idea what your build problem is [12:23] comadreja: binary files are bad [12:23] Mez: it's what i get in a breezy pbuilder [12:23] dholbach : I know, it's not my fault, upstream put it there [12:23] dholbach, amd64? [12:23] comadreja, for many usecases cdbs is overkill... you run tons of stuff you dont need [12:23] Mez: yeah [12:23] comadreja: that's what you wanted to ask ogra, right? :) [12:23] yep [12:24] well, put him on the right track :) [12:24] comadreja, where does the .so file come from ? [12:24] ogra .orig [12:25] ogra actually I think it's a library from straw [12:25] comadreja, i mean is this .so file in another package already ? [12:25] ogra yes, in straw [12:25] oki... is it needed at build time ? [12:25] nopes, runtime [12:25] then it should depend on it, shouldnt it? [12:25] then just depend on it and make sure the package uses that one [12:26] comadreja: i thought it was a random other one, sorry for getting you wrong [12:26] cool, I'll change that [12:27] and drop the architecture line accordingly [12:28] look that there is no statically link path to that file in your source code ;) i've ssen such crap if packages try to ship .so files themselves... [12:29] i think i now went over most of the packages [12:29] *LUNCH!* [12:37] package straw has broken dependencies :/ [12:37] straw: Depends: python-gnome2-extras but it is not going to be installed [12:40] hmm, that has to wait for a working python-gnome2-extras then :/ [12:40] poke seb128 [12:41] seems in was libgda issue [12:41] s/in/it [12:44] Anyone else persistently have problems with gnome-panel not picking up menu changes? === _koke [~koke@169.Red-217-127-113.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Panzerboy [~NoName@panzerboy.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:51] Lathiat: indeed [12:51] Lathiat: pkill gnome-panel would be an ugly workaround [12:51] so annoying :\ [12:51] Nafallo: sure, but that sucks [12:51] and breaks lots of things [12:51] cus the system tray goes away [12:51] ++ [12:52] and too many apps crash/lose the icon [01:00] woohoo - soundconverter ready to go! [01:00] review day happiness! :) [01:00] heh [01:01] while your at it, http://bur.st/~lathiat/ubuntu/breezy/rezound.debdiff :) [01:04] Lathiat: did your mail adress already get whitelisted? [01:04] no [01:05] who do i ask about that === tiil [~rtv@magrathea.kortex.jyu.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:05] elmo or inifinity (maybe) [01:05] thats probably why i didnt notice bzflag go up [01:05] yeah [01:08] Lathiat: want me to wait or just upload? [01:09] may as well wait [01:09] alright [01:09] i have the patched package lying just here :) [01:10] we have the first package (soundconverter) uploaded - review day success already! :) [01:10] does it make sense to upload heavy 3D stuff if we're awaiting a GLU transition ? [01:11] its my understanding that the glu transition is no longer needed [01:11] sure :) === desplesda [~desplesda@CPE-143-238-232-240.vic.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:11] our users have bandwidth and the buildd should be kept busy ;) [01:11] the package names will change... it will need a recompile [01:11] ah [01:12] hrm [01:12] but i'm not sure how outdated my info is... best to ask daniels how long it will take or if i missed if it was done already [01:12] yeh [01:12] im abit confused now [01:13] brb [01:13] Lathiat, wait for daniels [01:15] ogra: kbootsplash probably won't break usplash too much. It won't make much sense to enable them together [01:15] yep... === Panzerboy [~NoName@195.160.205.79] has joined #ubuntu-motu === terrex [~terrex@84-122-73-155.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jamessan|work [~jamessan@c-24-218-220-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === janm [~jm__@202.172.110.161] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thoreauputic_ [~prospero@wolax8-148.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:29] good morning :) === blueyed [~daniel@iD4CC0469.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:33] comadreja: ping? === thesaltydog [~yoshi@host194-61.pool8023.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:54] slomo : pong [02:55] comadreja: could you solve the problems? :) [02:55] slomo : yes, finally everything was solved [02:56] slomo : luckily :) [02:57] comadreja: oh show me :) === spacey [~spacey@87.76.17.34] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:57] http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=224 [02:58] ogra told me to use a dependency with straw [02:58] instead of putting the library right in [02:58] hmm and that works? do you install the so file from gmail-notify? [02:59] I made gmail-notify depend on straw, straw installs the so [03:00] that way I can have an Architecture: all [03:01] ok, looks good for me :) and you worked with the automatic control file managment ;) [03:01] I followed the docs :) [03:01] <\sh> damn [03:01] i haven't used that yet [03:01] hmm... is pkg-config in breezy broken? pkg-config without parameters segfaults for me :( [03:01] <\sh> bloody 5 hours in ner1 [03:02] ah with --help as parameter [03:02] brb === \sh is today no help for the MOTU *cry* [03:06] anyone here use AMD64 ? [03:06] \sh: what happened? [03:07] <\sh> slomo: some dtv services are broken..we try to fix this shit..has to do with scrambling and nagra and some other hardware vendors..it's a mess here [03:08] Mez: yes [03:09] Nafallo, can you test my upload for me in a sec, just to see it works properly now on AMD64 [03:09] Mez: sure. just tell me where to find the sources :-) [03:10] Nafallo, just shoving them on REVU noew [03:11] Mez: k3b-i18n? === Gazer [~gazer@mail.aktiv-assekuranz.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:13] no - gaim-assistant [03:13] k3b-i8ln = PITA [03:14] it bitches if i have -Indep [03:14] and bitches if I dont [03:14] :-) oki [03:14] but, please try gaim-assistant [03:15] http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=231 [03:16] back [03:20] Thanks Nafallo poke me when done please [03:20] waah... i have to rework all my revu uploads and write manpages... :( someone here who knows good docs on how to write manpages [03:20] Mez: I will, installed deps now. [03:23] Mez: http://pastebin.com/323708 === moyogo [~moyogo@69.156.160.153] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:28] grr [03:28] anyone know how to fix that [03:28] cause i don === koke [~koke@169.Red-217-127-113.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chmj [~chmj@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:34] how do I close a bug in malone ? [03:35] nm found it === chmj [~chmj@196.36.161.235] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === bddebian [~bddebian@user216-178-65-218.netcarrier.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:39] Howdy [03:41] slomo: ping [03:41] hi bddebian :) [03:41] Heya slomo [03:42] do you have experience with writing manpages? ;) [03:42] slomo: I fixed the first parts of your comments. But how do I fix the build dir in the tarball? [03:42] slomo: Actually yes, why [03:43] bddebian: because i have to write many... and for some programs i don't even know what exactly they're doing :( [03:43] bddebian: and for the tarball... just take the upstream tarball instead of your changed one [03:44] Uhhh :-) [03:44] slomo: Check out help2man [03:44] thanks... seems like i have much work to do today... grmpf ;) === alisher [~alex@203.169.193.87] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko [~doko___@dsl-084-059-089-064.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:08] HostingGeek: umm - why the ctcp ? [04:08] HostingGeek: anything I can do for you/ [04:08] ? [04:08] He hit you to? [04:08] yup [04:08] What is CTCP ROOT PASSWORD? [04:08] seems I didn't get blessed [04:09] bddebian: doesn't sound very friendly, does it? [04:09] no [04:09] thoreauputic: No, it doesn't :-) [04:09] oh, now I just blessed [04:10] HostingGeek, I suggest you quit it [04:10] haha - real name " 1337" [04:10] rofl === \sh is now known as ChannelClown [04:13] <\sh> 7ctcp HostingGeek RETURN_PASSWORD: ALT-F4 [04:14] hi, I run dupload instead of dput and I think that I upload something to upload.ubuntu.com :S, I need to report that ? [04:15] Gazer: Are you an approved uploader? [04:15] bddebian, nop [04:15] <\sh> Gazer: don't worry [04:15] Gazer: Then it should get dropped automagically [04:16] <\sh> elmo will hunt you down tomorrow ,-) [04:16] :P [04:16] hmm, can somebody help me a bit with dh_makeshlibs, dh_shlibdeps and cdbs? i have a package which consists of a binary package and a library package... the binary package needs to depend exactly on the same version of the library package as it is build with... and i only want the depend one time... when i add a depend with (= ${Source-Version}) in control i get a correct depend and an unversioned one [04:17] <\sh> anyways...going home now..looks like I have to come back to office later this night [04:17] also DEB_SHLIBDEPS_INCLUDE doesn't work as intented it seems... or i use it the wrong way ;) [04:17] I dunno if I'm approved, but seems I'm not since my uploads didn't got built :-P [04:18] <\sh> Nafallo: u r approved motu..send the key and everything to elmo? [04:18] slomo: What's the best way to upload my fixes to REVU? dput -P -f revu *_source.changes ?? [04:19] <\sh> Nafallo: so w8 :) [04:19] bddebian: yes [04:19] \sh: yepp. he will probably answer those mails? [04:19] slomo: Thx [04:19] \sh: or do I have to try when it works? :-) [04:19] <\sh> Nafallo: dunnoo..I just tried many times ;-) [04:19] hehe [04:20] I tried today indeed ;-) [04:20] slomo: Well I THINK the fixes are up now. :- [04:20] ) [04:20] <\sh> it's only 2days...since approval...so put 5 on it ,-) [04:20] <\sh> anyways..I'm gone...later gentlemen...I'm really finished today [04:23] wget http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/incoming/ceferino-0507281615/ceferino_0.95-0ubuntu1_source.changes [04:23] HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden [04:23] thats normal ? [04:24] s/thats/that is/ === MagnusR [~magru@85.194.14.142] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lamont [~lamont@15.238.5.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:27] Gazer: atleast for me === Amaranth [~travis@ip68-96-129-148.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:32] bddebian: ping? your tarball for python-pyrtf is missing in revu [04:33] slomo: It is? [04:34] slomo: I just did dput -P -f revu *_source.changes Is there something else I need to do? [04:35] bddebian: have you run dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa or without the -sa? [04:35] Oh, hehe, I think I forgot -sa [04:37] slomo: OK [04:44] bddebian: you've a vote :) [04:44] slomo: Thx d00d :-) [04:45] siretart: ping [04:47] hm... work for today: write 18 manpages and fight with dependency generation *cries* [04:49] Manpages are t3h suXX0r [04:53] oh and a MainInclusionReport for boo ;) hmm... bddebian? is a simple help2man manpage enough for a package manpage? [04:56] slomo: Well it's better than nothing which is what most packages ship.. ;-) [04:56] slomo: MainInclusionReport?? [04:57] bddebian: well... but nothing seems not to be allowed... at least dholbach said i have to include some :/ [04:57] bddebian: UbuntuMainInclusionRequirements [04:57] bddebian: in the wiki ;) [04:58] slomo: Ahh :-) === JRee [~jre@adsl-169-178.36-151.net24.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:07] bddebian: pong [05:08] siretart: I am unable to logoin to your REVU page and the recover password thing comes back empty afact?? [05:09] bddebian: what is your email address? [05:09] siretart: bddebian@comcast.net or bddebian@bddebian.com === thoreauputic [~prospero@wolax8-148.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sivang [~sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tepsipakki [~tjaalton@replicant.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:10] bddebian: try this: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/lostpw.py?email=bddebian@comcast.net === uniq [charlie@3ffe:80ee:31fe:0:0:0:0:33] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mitsuhiko [~blackbird@80.122.201.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:12] siretart: That did it, thanks. Weird === Mez [~Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [~travis@amaranth.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [~magru@85.194.14.142] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra_d [~ogra@p5089BD70.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [~ogra@p5089BD70.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TMM [~hp@c51471f2c.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:19] siretart: Still no way to change a password on the site? [05:21] bddebian: send me an signed and encrypted email. usermanagment will be in revu2 === zAo^ [~zao@zAo.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:28] siretart: OK, thx === spacey [~spacey@87.76.17.34] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:42] what happened to reviewing things [05:43] Mez: i'll review further when i've fixed all my packages ;) but this may take some time... i need 18 manpages ;) === Mez has no idea how to make manpages :D === slomo neither... time to learn ;) [05:45] slomo, whats the point of this [05:45] http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/incoming/faac-0507270200/faac-1.24clean/debian/watch === thoreauputic_ [~prospero@wolax7-221.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:46] man uscan ;) when you have a watchfile you can run uscan in your package directory and it checks whether there is a newer version and downloads it for you [05:47] !seen godzirra [05:47] oops [05:47] sorry === Nikopol [~mambo@i-195-137-15-67.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DanielN`aw [~daniel@84-72-116-21.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jbailey [~jbailey@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === andandare [~andandare@DWM-66-128.go.retevision.es] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jbailey__ [~jbailey@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:23] can someone have a look at http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=237 ? especially the manpages i've written... === DanielN [~daniel@84-72-116-21.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jbailey__ [~jbailey@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === Panzerboy [~NoName@panzerboy.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:45] <\sh> re [06:48] wb \sh [06:51] <\sh> sorry...for not being a great help today...but office work has prio 1 :) [06:55] <\sh> I heard u had a happy review day with one new package upload? great :) [06:56] lol... well there will be more when some more people look through the uploads... and when i have upload rights :/ [06:56] and when i don't have to write 16 manpages ;) === zyga [~zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [foobar@td9091b35.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:57] hey [06:57] how's the review day coming on? :) [06:57] hey dholbach :) you've mail ;) [06:58] dholbach: it doesn't really start off :/ partly your fault :P i'm currently writing the remaining 16 manpages =) [06:58] ah, i see :) [06:58] oh man... === infinito [~infinito@75.Red-80-59-227.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:00] hi! [07:00] i know it's too late [07:00] mh? [07:00] but i asked for gcfilms to get synced form debian and don't know what happend... [07:01] infinito: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/today.html should know [07:02] dholbach, if it's not there it was nos synced? [07:02] (sorry about my crappy english) [07:02] apparently so [07:02] ummm === Danten [~danten@h21n8c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:02] infinito: the other place to look is buildLogs/Lists/breezy.all.$ARCH [07:02] is there anything i can do to get it synced before breezy release? [07:03] which lists source packages and their current state [07:04] who can I get to take a look at qt4 packages? [07:04] ummm not there either [07:05] <\sh> Riddell: when it has time until tomorrow evening...I can take a look === zyga [~zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:05] <\sh> but not today [07:06] lamont: is there any chance to get it synced? [07:06] infinito: not my decision to make [07:07] infinito: state, why it should be synced, confirm that you built the package on your box and it works on #ubuntu-devel or on ubuntu-devel@ [07:07] it's not my decision either [07:07] but it will catch more decision-makers' eyes there [07:07] it's been in debian sid for a while [07:07] in #ubuntu-devel :) [07:08] <\sh> infinito: if it's not in ubuntu already...it goes into universe so put it on UniverseCandidates [07:08] dholbach, lamont: thank you, i'm gonna try in #ubuntu-devel [07:08] infinito: super [07:08] \sh: it's been in UniverseCandidates since long... [07:09] <\sh> infinito: ok..then there is right now no decision made from MOTU...so even elmo won't listen === karlheg [~karlheg@host-250-237.resnet.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:24] we have !!! 3 !!! uploaded packages already [07:24] where's the review party going on as well? [07:33] http://www.epodunk.com/cgi-bin/weatherInfo.php?locIndex=55275 === bddebian [~bddebian@pcp08717033pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:36] having a .sgml and using cdbs how do I generate and install a man page ? [07:37] <\sh> comadreja: man docbook2man [07:38] <\sh> and provide a hook in the install target [07:38] thanks \sh :) [07:39] comadreja: gparted has it for example - be sure to remove the generated manpage in the clean target [07:39] <\sh> comadreja: /away [07:39] <\sh> huch [07:39] bbl [07:40] ok [07:43] <\sh> I think I was to harsh [07:44] \sh with whom ? [07:45] <\sh> infinito [07:45] http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/p/pingus/0.6.0-8build1/pingus_0.6.0-8build1_20050724-1644-i386-failed.gz [07:45] ^ can anyone tell me what the C++ error is likely to mean === Lathiat has no idea [07:46] <\sh> hmm...for this I have to look into the code directly [07:47] it's returning a virtual object [07:47] well, its not returning anything, but its in the constructors definition [07:47] <\sh> sprite_drawable.hxx:49: error: invalid abstract return type for member function 'WorldMapNS::SpriteDrawable WorldMapNS::SpriteDrawable::operator=(const WorldMapNS::SpriteDrawable&)' [07:48] <\sh> it returning WorldMapNS::SpritDrawable [07:49] <\sh> nonsense [07:50] <\sh> sh*t it does [07:51] <\sh> let me try to patch it [07:55] hi folks [07:55] Heya siretart [07:56] <\sh> huhu siretart [07:56] I just uploaded a new version of wifi-radar, which should fix all issues with it [07:56] I'm very sorry that I cannot join you with the review day, but I need to finish my thesis :( [07:56] \sh: thanks :) cus it confuses the hell out of me :) [07:56] also most files generate the virtual/non-virtual destructor thing [07:56] i dunno if thats a problem [07:57] <\sh> Lathiat: no...only a warning [07:58] siretart: don't worry, me too ;-) [07:58] dholbach: hey! :) [07:58] siretart: i took some time off for doing one or the other comment ;) [07:58] hehe [07:58] I got extension for one week. but I have still tons of work to do :( === dholbach throws siretart out of the channel :) [07:59] heh [07:59] siretart: happy hacking then [07:59] siretart: i get back to my stuff too [07:59] dholbach: yes, I'll rather stay in the background. But I really wanted to get wifi-radar for ivoks in universe, at last [08:00] because I always had to downcheck his package :( [08:05] <\sh> hmmm...needs a closer look into c++ documentation *grrr* [08:06] bddebian: you again missed the python build-dep ;) [08:06] \sh: :\ [08:06] siretart: On what? [08:06] gmail-notify [08:06] Damnit [08:06] bddebian: see http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/incoming/gmail-notify-0507282005/linda === bddebian sucks [08:06] no, you don't [08:07] everyone makes mistakes :) [08:07] it's me [08:07] Oh hehe :-) [08:07] <\sh> Lathiat: actually this is my fourth damn sourcecode :) [08:08] siretart, and it's not a problem fmpov [08:08] oh. sorry for the confsion :) [08:08] because this package doesn't build anything [08:08] comadreja: ah, ok. but then you could document that with an linda override [08:08] just copies the python scripts to the directories [08:08] how ? [08:08] why do you use dh_python then? [08:08] look in the linda documentation [08:08] because cdbs does [08:09] ok [08:10] dh_python creates the ${python:...} for the control file [08:10] with the dependencies [08:10] ah. now I see.. hmm. [08:10] well, if you are confident that you dont need that python dependency, install a linda override, that is what they are for [08:11] <\sh> ok..guys../me is going to bed early...tomorrow more...sorry for not being a help today... [08:11] regarding the control.in, I just followed the documentation that was given to me regarding cdbs, but I can change it easily [08:11] \sh: you rocked the whole week! [08:11] \sh: yep, have some rest [08:11] \sh: night :) [08:12] comadreja: yes, this control.in is considered harmfull and even prohibited in current debian release policy! [08:13] siretart: ? [08:13] siretart: debian gnome team uses it in EVERY upload [08:14] nevermind me - i should be away anyway :) [08:14] :) you tell me what to do, because I get very different point of views, I have no problem with any. [08:15] morning [08:15] andrew! [08:15] morning ajmitch :) [08:15] dholbach: Do I confuse this with automatic updating of changelogs? [08:15] siretart: probably - never heard of that [08:15] auto-updating of build-deps with control.in is especially evil [08:15] and considered a Bad Thing [08:16] cool :) [08:16] I'll use that [08:16] dholbach: http://release.debian.org/etch_rc_policy.txt [08:16] ah, thanks siretart :) [08:16] These targets must not change the package's build-dependencies or the changelog. [08:17] um, where? [08:18] dholbach: section 4 [08:18] section 4, paragraph 4 [08:18] ah yes === opi [~emil@oppeln-bronikowski.int.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:18] so the gnome team *just* manages to scrape through ;) [08:18] they change the upload field [08:18] paragraph 3, sorry [08:18] uploader [08:19] what problem do they intend to solve with this? [08:19] jbailey: do you think that @cdbs@ in build-depends clashes with http://release.debian.org/etch_rc_policy.txt - section 4 paragraph 4? [08:19] siretart: haveing 20 people listed in the Uploaders field [08:19] for about 100 packages :) [08:20] dholbach: @cdbs@ in build-depends is a Bad Thing [08:20] dholbach: this was discussed in a quite big thread on debian-release, I think [08:20] ajmitch: i'm just asking for another opinion :) [08:20] ajmitch: I see the point [08:20] jbailey: oh well: section 4 paragraph 3 :) [08:21] dholbach: #debian-devel can offer plenty of opinions ;) [08:22] need food [08:22] http://www.google-store.com/ [08:23] need time. and motivation [08:23] need aspirin ;) [08:24] dholbach: I have already discussed it and cleared my idea with the release managers. [08:25] so they're not strongly opposed against it? [08:25] dholbach: Not at all, they agree with the reasoning. [08:25] Here's the trick: =) [08:25] siretart: need me [08:25] "These targets must not change the package's [08:25] build-dependencies or the changelog." [08:25] jbailey: surprising :) [08:25] that's what i thought :) [08:25] So the answer is just don't make debian/control a dependancy of those targets. [08:26] :) [08:26] There will be a hook in cdbs2 that verifies if it beleive debian/control to be up to date. It will fail the build in that case. [08:26] that sounds cool [08:26] There will be a DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS token that allows you to say "Please auto-update the control file" [08:26] Or you can manually run debian/rules debian/control to update it. [08:26] merci beaucoup, monsieur :) [08:26] And then everyone is happy. =) [08:27] jbailey: hah, you'll never please everyone [08:27] ajmitch: in this case, I think vorlon and Kamion are sufficent ;) [08:28] siretart: And the ftp masters. =) [08:28] now that's a challenge [08:28] ajmitch: Well, the answer beyond that is "Just don't use it!" [08:28] Nonono, it's already done. [08:29] Even Joerg. [08:29] you *must* have talked fast [08:29] That's why I've stayed out of all of the discussions. [08:29] Everyone's making noises about the current cdbs way of doing it, which is total crack. [08:30] agreed === MagnusR [~magru@85.194.14.142] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [08:31] Noone hates CDBS for reasons that should stop it from existing. === Panzerboy [~NoName@panzerboy.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:31] They hate it for the petty reasons like, not enough documentation, or difficult to get troubleshooting info out of it. [08:31] Occasionally people come up with arguments for not using it that equally apply to debhelper and every patch system. [08:31] But I try to ignore luddites. =) === jbailey hides. [08:32] But the problems that people have with cdbs are the ones that are relatively easy to solve. [08:32] :-) [08:32] So I think the *most* annoying thing with cdbs is that it's good enough right now that it's hard to find hackers for it. [08:32] the main complaint I see is that it hides too much\ [08:33] So it's subject to my spare time. [08:33] ah spare time [08:33] ajmitch: What does that mean? =) [08:33] very elusive [08:33] jbailey: people consider cdbs to be too much of a black box :) [08:33] Most of the time it means that when it behaves unexpectedly, you can't ask it for details. [08:33] probably [08:33] So that's a solvable issues. [08:33] -s [08:33] (Pick whichever s you want) === ajmitch wonders whether there's a goal for sarge to be upgradeable to breezy [08:38] ajmitch: goal? for sure. requirement? I don't think so [08:39] siretart: it'd mean a bit more work for MOTUs to have a clean upgrade - we'd have to make sure merges are done, for one ;) [08:39] Doh.. === bddebian has been trying.. [08:40] ajmitch: I think that piuparts could be very useful in finding problematic packages [08:40] siretart: it will be, I've got to get it setup here === herve [~hcauwelie@ip-3.net-81-220-179.nice.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:42] heya! [08:43] hi herve [08:43] Howdy herve === grover [~grover@216-99-218-29.dsl.aracnet.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:53] is oprofile available through universe in hoary? it seems to be no longer available [08:53] hi herve :) [08:53] happy review day! :) [08:53] daniel! [08:54] grover: packages.ubuntu.com should know [08:55] dholbach: it says yes but apt-get install oprofile says pkg not available but referred to by another pkg [08:55] hm [08:56] source package failed to compiled? [08:58] how would one find out? [08:59] http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/ [08:59] http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/o/oprofile/ [08:59] ha no, "successful" [09:00] argh! [09:00] me fool, you use hoary [09:00] no, successful too === dredg [~niall@212.17.56.65] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:05] where can I find a list of linda overrides ? [09:07] found === Nikopol [~mambo@i-195-137-15-67.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:12] lo all [09:15] herve: so should I file a bugreport somewhere? I think it's kinda strange that a pkg in hoary universe (which isn't being actively updated anymore, right?) would just vanish [09:21] hey dredg! [09:21] niall! long time no see :) [09:21] I need a revision on http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=245 [09:21] dholbach: you too :) [09:21] dholbach: i've been very busy [09:21] how are you? [09:22] dredg: me too - still busy with my thesis - but i took some time off for review day :) [09:22] hi there [09:22] i'm fine, thanks [09:23] dholbach: ah yes, the thesis :) hasn't that suffered enough? :) [09:23] i have 3 weeks left :) [09:23] jeez [09:23] school takes forever there [09:23] hahaha :) [09:24] dholbach: well good luck :) [09:24] thank you very much :) === dredg is currently looking for a new job before the current one kills him [09:24] I've created a deb of GNUDoku but need some help and feedback. [09:25] I've never packaged before so am pretty useless [09:25] I've placed the file here [09:25] http://www.mmboydell.f2s.com/gnudoku-0.91_0.91-1_i386.deb [09:25] Nikopol: you may want to upload it to REVU (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU) - it catches most eyes there [09:25] aha [09:25] cheers dholbach [09:26] Nikopol: we need the source package: .diff.gz .orig.tar.gz and .dsc [09:26] ok [09:26] dredg: good luck with that too - you've been VERY busy [09:26] is there a simple howto somewhere? [09:26] Didn't find one in google [09:26] :( [09:26] dholbach: currently waiting to hear back from google [09:27] had a set of interviews with them on monday, so i should hear within the next two weeks [09:28] Nikopol: the debian new maintainers guide and debian policy are a must (for looking stuff up), we have wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingTips on the wiki and at some stage you may want to have a pbuilder for checking the build properly (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto) - apt-get source is always good for comparing with other packages [09:28] thanks dholbach [09:28] dredg: *fingers crossed* [09:29] dholbach: I think that's me sorted. Will work on it later on after the pub ;) [09:29] Nikopol_out: but REVU (http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/) contains a lot of information hidden within - it's where we review packages of other guys - you'll find good and bad examples there [09:29] dholbach: my fingers have been crossed for over a month :) [09:29] (no offense to anybody meant - you didn't see my first packages ;-p) [09:29] dholbach: thanks for your time [09:29] and the help :) [09:30] de rien :) [09:31] grover, I don't know what happen, so if no one can answer you tonight, the best is to file a bug [09:32] sweet the new slaphscreen from OOo2 [09:32] comadreja: reviewed [09:32] and it opens fast [09:35] dholbach : I don't have the year of the copyright, that's why I haven't put it [09:35] it's not in upstream :/ [09:35] comadreja: not even in a cvs changelog or something? [09:35] comadreja: the guys being involved in it? at which stage? [09:36] herve: ok thx === ajmitch wonders if there'll be anything left for him to review :) [09:36] dholbach : nopes, I couldn't find it anywhere [09:36] ajmitch : you could review gmail-notify [09:36] ok, it's surely just 2005 [09:36] dholbach : I'll do that [09:37] gmail doesn't exist that long ;) [09:38] i've had a gmail account for nearly a full year [09:39] dholbach : how do you review that fast and that good ? :) [09:39] over a year actually [09:39] i do? [09:39] since, erm, last march or april [09:39] I think so [09:39] dredg: oh well... :) [09:40] comadreja: thank you very much - well i did most of the mistakes myself and got thrashed for it :-p [09:40] dredg: well aren't you special [09:40] chillywilly: yes, thanks [09:40] *thwap* [09:40] dholbach: i'd put the copyright at 2004 to be safe :) [09:40] dredg: i raise no objections [09:41] chillywilly: if you've nothing productive to say, could you say it louder somewhere else? thanks. [09:41] comadreja: and we were a smaller team and had quite a lot to do in hoary, maybe that's why :) [09:41] herve: opens fast? :P takes 23 seconds here [09:41] it took 5 secs [09:41] :) [09:41] 4 seconds hot off the disk cache [09:41] I'd put 2004,2005, objections ? [09:41] dredg: no [09:42] comadreja: fire away [09:42] dredg: thanks a bunch [09:43] slomo: wanting nemerle reviewed or not? [09:44] ajmitch: don't know... someone tries to get it into debian but i don't think it will hurt when we have an other package first ;) or what do you think? [09:44] slomo: it can hurt upgrades [09:45] ah, the ITP is nearly a year old [09:45] ITPs give me headaches :) [09:45] yes but the guy is trying hard atm... i've contacted him [09:45] ah good [09:46] we should do something about UniverseNewPackages, ajmitch's rfp list and the utnubu-list [09:46] that was my next question, whether you had contacted him :) [09:46] dholbach: I'm on the utnubu mailing list, have yet to announce myself :) [09:46] new ksystemlog for review http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=246 === Riddell pokes \sh_away [09:47] Riddell: let poor \sh_away sleep/do-whatever-pleases-him - he had a tough night at the office - i'll have a look at it === grover [~grover@216-99-218-29.dsl.aracnet.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [09:48] ajmitch: so you think it's better to wait? ok, then move it to the archives or better nuke it ;) [09:51] slomo: depends on how the ITP author is going, whether he uses any of your package or not [09:52] ajmitch: i've taken his old package and changed it to conform with the CLIPolicy... but he already done a newer version himself which conforms to the policy and changed some other stuff too [09:53] maybe invite him to work within the pkg-mono team? [09:54] he was already invited by meebey... but i don't know his answer [09:54] ah great [09:54] who what? [09:54] tseng: nemerle itp [09:54] oh [09:54] slomo fixed his shit [09:55] hm [09:55] tseng: yeah but he has done a conforming version too and tries to get it into debian atm [09:55] meh fine [09:55] tseng: look here... what do you think? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportBoo [09:55] http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=249 === comadreja crossing fingers [09:56] slomo: good [09:56] yes, i did read it :P [09:56] besides the bug [09:56] ive done like 10 of these [09:57] i've created a fix for the problem and dholbach uploaded it a few minutes ago ;) [09:58] woo [09:59] and i've contacted the debian maintainer to solve it for debian [09:59] Riddell: i noted some points - but nothing kde specific, because i have NO clue :) === spacey [~spacey@87.76.17.34] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:02] dholbach: what's the points? [10:03] erm: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=246 [10:04] thanks [10:05] comadreja: you're lucky :) [10:05] uurh. rpath considered evil! [10:06] siretart: you're hanging out with guys too much, who just see the evil things in the world :-p [10:06] dholbach : :) [10:06] comadreja: well done [10:07] dholbach : I included the changes in the readme, would that be enough ? [10:07] dholbach : you can check it [10:07] comadreja: it's cool to have it in the changelog, so you better keep track of patches, if you have multiple ones and you drop one with the next package, add a new one a version later, ... [10:08] comadreja: it's just fancy, but no must - that's why i advocated it [10:08] dholbach: http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/big-picture.html#faq-6.15 - I'm using 'evil' in a quite similar context ;) [10:08] cool, thanks ! [10:08] siretart: super, thanks for that link :) [10:09] comadreja: if you read the debian/changelog of seb128's packages, you'll see what i mean (gnome-control-center for example) [10:10] dholbach : yep, I've seen it, he has quite good packages [10:10] yeah he rocks :) [10:11] indeed [10:12] ok, I'm off for my GF for tonight. cu tomorrow, folks! [10:12] bye siretart - have a nice evening [10:12] thanks :) [10:12] bye bye siretart :) have fun [10:20] dholbach : sorry to bother you again, but do you think this is better ? [10:21] that's lovely [10:21] :) [10:22] ok - i'm off as well - part-time-reviewing/uploading and part-time-thesis-writing doesnt work properly [10:23] keep up the happy review day [10:23] thanks ! [10:23] enjoy [10:23] de rien :) === comadreja_ [~comadreja@80.224.108.186] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [foobar@td9091b35.pool.terralink.de] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Verlassend"] [10:55] night all [10:55] or day :-) [10:58] where can I find the list of files that don't need to be included in debian/docs ? [10:59] man dh_installdocs [10:59] it has some info about that === ajmitch notes that for anyone writing debian/copyright files, they must include more than just the link to /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-2 === Mez [~Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch wikis it for good measure === slomo [~slomo@p5487CC96.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:34] hey slomo :) [11:34] ajmitch : :) [11:34] hey :) [11:35] comadreja: someone has to be picky about these things ;) [12:00] gn8 everybody