[12:00] <sorush20> is everyone aware of Kubuntu...
[12:00] <jimiykriket> a CGI program your web server must be configured to run CGI programs
[12:00] <jimiykriket> thats what I want to apease
[12:00] <othernoob> sorush20: no, until now i was a secret..
[12:00] <cato_> So no one actually uses the "new" ati drivers? from the ati page (New installer)
[12:00] <othernoob> it*
[12:03] <sorush20> I mean the distro ubuntu... with KDE....eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[12:04] <benplaut> sorush20: Kyes, Kwhat Kabout Kit?
[12:05] <cato_> can anyone help with this? http://pastebin.com/322900
[12:05] <cato_> or give me an idea what's wrong?
[12:05] <sorush20> benplaut; I thinks it great...
[12:05] <sorush20> da
[12:05] <benplaut> then use it...
[12:05] <crimsun> cato_: why aren't you using http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto ?
[12:05] <othernoob> sorush20: are you drunk?
[12:06] <cato_> crimsun, because those doesnt work with cedega for me.. i've tried everything.. :\
[12:06] <zxmpulse> hy
[12:06] <crimsun> cato_: install build-essential and linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[12:07] <sorush20> othernoob; but I have to do the backing up manually.. right.. I don't want to do... that..
[12:07] <zxmpulse> can you explame me how to make a sript for starting giftd giFTcurs in  the same command
[12:07] <cato_> crimsun, ok, thanks.. :)
[12:09] <othernoob> sorush20: which closed source prog does what you want to do?
[12:11] <trevi>  hi zxmpulse
[12:12] <zxmpulse> hi trevi
[12:12] <hacked``> guys, how come there is no /net directory in /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/
[12:12] <LED_scorched> can some one help me with installing MPLAYER?
[12:13] <LED_scorched> i downloaded the package from ubuntu... but i dont know what to do with it
[12:13] <crimsun> hacked``: ...and? it's in kernel/net/
[12:13] <drummer> HELP!!!!!!  I was trying to as a group to my user account and blew out ALL the other groups.  I no longer have sudo privileges and I had not yet set up a separate password for root.  How can I fix this?
[12:14] <crimsun> LED_scorched: how did you download it?
[12:14] <drummer> sorry that should read "Trying to add a group..."
[12:14] <LED_scorched> clicked and saved it, then extracted it
[12:14] <jimiykriket> yay http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/howto/cgi.html
[12:15] <elsha> !panic
[12:15] <ubotu> Wish i knew, elsha
[12:15] <jimiykriket> RTM RTM RTM RTM RTM RTM RTM RTM
[12:15] <sorush20> othernoob, I just wanted something that would backup files to a dvd... Konserve is one.. but it doesn't wite to DVDS
[12:15] <LED_scorched> i get a debian binary that says "2.0" and then two .tar.gz files that have .conf files and such in then
[12:15] <elsha> anyone know of any documentation on PANIC errors?
[12:15] <Burgundavia> jimiykriket, please don't say things like that in #ubuntu
[12:15] <james_> Anyone got any ideas why VideoLAN (VLC) refuses to "stay on top" even when specified
[12:16] <orac> elsha: HHGTG
[12:16] <elsha> !HHGTG
[12:16] <ubotu> elsha: I give up, what is it?
[12:16] <crimsun> LED_scorched: did you download it manually or via synaptic/aptitude/apt-get/dselect?
[12:16] <MrMo> drummer, fixed by now?
[12:16] <LED_scorched> manually
[12:16] <Burgundavia> orac, please stop flooding the channel with useless ubotu queries
[12:17] <MrMo> drummer, if not. reboot and add the following parameter to your kernel boot: 'init=/bin/bash'
[12:17] <crimsun> LED_scorched: then you need to at least install it. sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[12:17] <MrMo> drummer, after that fix your permissions, and reboot.
[12:17] <LED_scorched> would i put the name after that all , or what?
[12:18] <crimsun> LED_scorched: yes, the filename
[12:18] <LED_scorched> thank you crimsun
[12:19] <puff> Hm, mplayer isn't in the apt sources that ubuntu uses by default.
[12:19] <crimsun> puff: correct, it's in multiverse.
[12:19] <puff> Does/can ubuntu use the same apt-sources that debian does?
[12:19] <puff> Multiverse?
[12:19] <useruser> puff: no
[12:19] <crimsun> puff: it's a very bad idea to mix sources.
[12:20] <Jeezis> ok, how do i compile a .c file into a .so file?
[12:20] <puff> crimsun: Okay.
[12:20] <basti> !webmin
[12:20] <ubotu> To use webmin with ubuntu you have to add a webmin-root account with : /usr/share/webmin/changepass.pl /etc/webmin root "password", or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WebminWithoutARootAccount
[12:25] <Jeezis> ok, how do i compile a .c file into a .so file?
[12:26] <ptlo> Jeezis: with something like: gcc -shared -fPIC -DPIC file.c -o file.so
[12:26] <cafuego> Jeezis: with a compiler and a linker. install build-essential and start reading docs.
[12:27] <andre> hey....
[12:27] <Jeezis> thanks guys, sorry to be a pain :)
[12:27] <andre> could someone explain me how I configure my keyboard?
[12:28] <puff> Hm, I just did "apt-get emacs", apt just asked me to re-insert the ubuntu install CD-ROM, presumably to get emacs from it.  I have plenty of space on this box, is there any standard way to copy the whole install CD to the hard drive and have apt look at that?
[12:28] <puff> Or should I just copy it manually and hand-edit the apt sources?
[12:28] <cafuego> puff: Yopu can throw all .deb files into /var/cache/apt/archives
[12:28] <Randall64> How do you make ubuntu remember mixer settings?
[12:28] <andre> CAN SOMEONE HELP CONFIGURING MY KEYBOARD?
[12:29] <cafuego> andre: Just hit capslock, when the light goes off it'll be fine.
[12:29] <Randall64> andre: 1) take hammer in hand 2) apply to caps lock
[12:29] <othernoob> lol
[12:29] <puff> andre: for starts, the caps lock key ...
[12:29] <Randall64> When I login to kde it tries its best to rupture my eardrums each time.
[12:29] <puff> andre: I realize it's frustrating, but bear in mind that a) not everybody is paying attention  right now, give people a minute to catch up,
[12:29] <Jeezis> bah, i guess both the things i was trying to compile were buggy
[12:30] <puff> andre: and b) not everybody who *is* active knows how.
[12:30] <puff> andre: and c) yeah, it's annoying when everybody ignores the question.
[12:30] <puff> andre: but d) shouting doesn't help.
[12:30] <andre> I've configured in the right keyboard layout...
[12:30] <andre> but I cant use accents
[12:30] <Randall64> accents are tricky
[12:31] <puff> I'm afraid I'm a newbie here myself, and I haven't messed with keyboard configuration.
[12:31] <Randall64> My english is pretty good, but my french is just awful.
[12:31] <puff> Randall64: You're not helping :-).
[12:31] <cafuego> ar they?
[12:31] <Randall64> Bah, did I say I would?
[12:31] <apollo2011> I was able to get my laptop to boot outside the dock by commenting everything in /etc/modules and then speed up the network configuration by using ifplugd.  But now, when it seems like it is at the point it will load X, it goes to a black screen and stays there.
[12:32] <apollo2011> This only occurs when it is booted when it is not in the base station
[12:32] <Randall64> hah
[12:32] <TooSad> hi, i have installed gnome-bluetooth, bluez and ussp-push but i am not able to connect my samsung D500 with my pc in bluetooth way. how could i make a connection?
[12:32] <drummer> MrMo:  sorry I had to answer a phone call.  I'm not totally sure of what you said.  Is there an option during boot to insert the 'init=/bin/bash' command?  And as for fixing permissions - will that give me temporary sudo privileges?
[12:32] <Jeezis> ok, newb question, what's the command to delete when in the console?
[12:32] <cafuego> Jeezis: 'rm'
[12:32] <Jeezis> cafuego: thanks a lot :)
[12:32] <cafuego> Jeezis: You _really_ shouldn't be compiling (anything) without such base knowledge ;-)
[12:33] <apollo2011> Jeezis:  you should look at "man rm" to see the context of it.
[12:33] <Jeezis> heheh, ok, thanks
[12:33] <elsha> hmm, i've been looking through the documentation and the bugzilla link... but havent been able to have any luck finding anything about the error i'm getting. im booting up with an amd64 cd, and the second line when trying to boot up the kernel is coming up with  PANIC: early exception rip 10 error ffffffff803ecd0b cr2 0
[12:33] <Jeezis> well, apparently 'rm' doesnt delete directories
[12:33] <icewt> Jeezis, rm -r
[12:34] <cafuego> Jeezis: it does, check the docs
[12:34] <Jeezis> ok, thanks
[12:34] <cafuego> Jeezis: If the directory is empty, you can use 'rmdir'.
[12:34] <TooSad> hi, i have installed gnome-bluetooth, bluez and ussp-push but i am not able to connect my samsung D500 with my pc in bluetooth way. how could i make a connection?
[12:34] <CoffeeBreaks> I tried manually installing kernel 2.6.12.3 on hoary amd64 but it failed booting (something about not finding /lib/modules/2.6.12.3/modules.dep which exists). Any idea?
[12:36] <apollo2011> anyone know what is causing my problem loading X?
[12:37] <Turrican> wie kann ich ein compiliertes und gelinktes  c programm ausfhren ?
[12:37] <eth42> Turrican: #ubuntu-de
[12:38] <TooSad> hi, how can i configure my pc to use a bluetooth connection with my phone?
[12:38] <eth42> Turrican: wenn das programm prog heit, dann im entsprechenden Pfad ./prog
[12:39] <RichardC> is there a way to backup all the .deb's i've downloaded and installed w/ apt-get and synaptic?  i'm about to reformat, but im on dial-up and i dont wanna have to download all these debs again
[12:40] <Randall64> RichardC: /var/cache/apt is where they are ...
[12:40] <thingfish> RichardC: just save the contents of /var/cache/apt/archives.
[12:40] <eth42> RichardC: synaptic keeps the files; at least up to some amount
[12:41] <RichardC> eth42: where does it keep them?
[12:41] <one> im interested in ubuntu because ive been told it supports Inspiron 9100 ATI video out of the box
[12:41] <eth42> actually, I've got the same question: just put the deb's back to  /var/cache/apt ?
[12:41] <one> how is it compared to slackware?
[12:41] <desrt> one; it's really not
[12:41] <one> Slackware doesnt support my video, not at all... yucky
[12:41] <mpmc> Can't believe how much faster it is to install things on ubuntu than windows
[12:42] <eth42> RichardC: see Randall64 and thingfish
[12:42] <thingfish> yes eth42
[12:42] <desrt> one; slackware does almost nothing for you... ubuntu is practically automatic by comparison
[12:42] <holycow> one, depends by 'supporting radeon out of the box'
[12:42] <RichardC> eth42: everything i've downloaded is definately not there
[12:42] <holycow> yes it comes with generic ati drivers
[12:42] <RichardC> only a few, i think the ones from apt-get, ater
[12:42] <desrt> holycow; a 9100 will work out of the box
[12:42] <one> Well my friend got his 1920x1200 resolution
[12:42] <holycow> desrt, really?
[12:42] <one> that means the video is supported
[12:42] <one> I was like holy sh1t!
[12:42] <desrt> holycow; yes.  anything less than 9200 is supported by the DRI driver
[12:42] <doudou> hey
[12:42] <one> ive been trying to get radeon video to work in slack w/ xorg for a long time
[12:43] <one> it just boots black screen
[12:43] <cafuego> An actual 9200 is supported too.
[12:43] <desrt> holycow; only need fglrx for > 9200
[12:43] <scones> hey all
[12:43] <eth42> RichardC: there are options in synaptic that regulate that (you can permanently keep all files)
[12:43] <jimiykriket> http://wiki.rubyonrails.com/rails/show/RailsOnDebian
[12:43] <cafuego> The one in the Mac mini works great.
[12:43] <holycow> desrt, wow
[12:43] <one> I tried loading fglrx on slack it doesnt work
[12:43] <doudou> i want to find a new theme?
[12:43] <one> it's yucky
[12:43] <firemanworld> hi there
[12:43] <TooSad> hi, how can i configure my pc to use a bluetooth connection with my phone?
[12:43] <firemanworld> i have a problem with my ubuntu linux
[12:43] <firemanworld> may someone help me??
[12:43] <eth42> RichardC: so probably, your's have already been deleted again; and I dont know about apt-get
[12:43] <scones> first time i am using linux
[12:43] <holycow> well fglrx install on ubuntu is simple
[12:43] <RichardC> eth42: are some packages stored in pkgcache.bin and srcpkgcache.bin?
[12:43] <holycow> instructions are on the ubuntu website, but i'm sure you know that already :)
[12:44] <cafuego> RichardC: No. /var/cache/apt/archives/
[12:44] <eth42> RichardC: I don't know
[12:44] <desrt> DRI also recently got support for R350 (ie: radeon 9600)
[12:44] <holycow> cool, have fun indeed!
[12:44] <eth42> firemanworld: what's the problem?
[12:44] <desrt> so you can use radeon 9600 with open source drivers too, if you have a sense of adventure
[12:44] <kemik> desrt:  are they any good?
[12:44] <firemanworld> whenever I try to install some packages, like for example j2sdk1.4m it complains that requires libc6(>=2.3.2.ds1-21), but it also sais that 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is going to be installed
[12:44] <mpmc> should I install a firewall?
[12:44] <desrt> kemik; well.. they're still CVS-only... so i wouldn't recommend using them yet
[12:44] <Last_in_Line> Hello
[12:44] <firemanworld> so I cant put j2sdk on my computer
[12:44] <doudou> is there somebody to tell me where i an find a new theme for my computer?
[12:44] <kemik> too much hassle :)
[12:45] <kemik> firemanworld:  why not?
[12:45] <desrt> doudou; art.gnome.org or www.gnome-look.org
[12:45] <RichardC> cafuego: only the packaged i've downloaded with apt-get are there, but synaptic is set to "only delete packages which are no longer available."
[12:45] <firemanworld> dodou - gnome-look.org
[12:45] <firemanworld> i don't know
[12:45] <cafuego> firemanworld: Just install the ubuntu package and not the Debian one.
[12:45] <doudou> thanks desrt
[12:45] <firemanworld> it can't find the file
[12:45] <desrt> np.
[12:45] <firemanworld> i mean, the package
[12:45] <eth42> but there is no Ubuntu package for Java, right?
[12:45] <kemik> well, goto sun.java.com and download the .bin
[12:45] <firemanworld> how do I do that, changing the /etc/apt/sources.list?
[12:45] <holycow> that laptop does 1920x1200?
[12:46] <holycow> wow
[12:46] <holycow> sweet
[12:46] <kemik> !java
[12:46] <ubotu> I heard java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[12:46] <eth42> firemanworld: there is a description for installing Java in the Ubuntu Wiki
[12:46] <mpmc> Whats a good PHP editor with code highlight + reminder...
[12:46] <cafuego> firemanworld: Check the wiki url ubotu just posted; it explains.
[12:46] <firemanworld> ok
[12:46] <cafuego> mpmc: vim!
[12:46] <sun_> hi i think solfege doesnt install gtkhtml which it depends on
[12:46] <eth42> mpmc what's a reminder
[12:46] <kemik> !tell firemanworld about java
[12:46] <firemanworld> but it also fails with some sound packages
[12:46] <Last_in_Line> Has anyone installed egroupware?
[12:47] <holycow> 9.2 pounds!
[12:47] <holycow> jesus f christ!
[12:47] <eth42> mpmc: good PHP editor, actually, good ANYTHING editor is jEdit.
[12:47] <sun_> anyone know if there is a violin/cello tuning program in ubuntu/debian?
[12:47] <CoffeeBreaks> should I use update-initrd to create an initrd file when building 2.6.12.3 by hand using a config heavily based on hoary's 2.6.10 config?
[12:47] <mpmc> eth42: like you you put your mouse over a php function and it tells you the function args..
[12:47] <cafuego> holycow: That's a cheap video card.
[12:47] <kemik> firemanworld:  not sure that wiki explains how to get the SDK (only JRE), but the SDK can be downloaded from java.sun.com
[12:47] <holycow> cafuego, and its 10 pounds!
[12:47] <Razor-X> ;)
[12:47] <firemanworld> kemik- I know but then it won't be automatically updated
[12:47] <holycow> the longer you carry it, the more it weighs
[12:47] <eth42> mpmc: ok, there's such a plugin for Java code in jEdit, but I doubt that there's something for PHP
[12:47] <cafuego> holycow: Yeah, can't go wrong. is is AGP or PCI?
[12:48] <holycow> so on a trip that would be like what, 20 pounds?
[12:48] <holycow> ehe
[12:48] <Last_in_Line> I installed egroupware but I can't set it up, the setup page just reloads with the generic info
[12:48] <holycow> :)
[12:48] <holycow> no thats a wicked machine, desktop replacement
[12:48] <eth42> mpmc: but why PHP in first place? PHP is crap. :-)
[12:48] <mpmc> Eth42: something like quanta..
[12:48] <holycow> lemme see
[12:48] <firemanworld> my problem is not with java is with the libc6(>=2.3.2.ds1-21) library
[12:48] <cafuego> firemanworld: Your problem is with java.
[12:48] <eth42> mpmc: my reminder was the PHP manual
[12:48] <cafuego> firemanworld: You're installing a *debian( java which hads *debian* depends. Not Ubuntu ones.
[12:48] <mpmc> yes... I know
[12:48] <eth42> mpmc: but that's a bit offline, I agree
[12:49] <firemanworld> no, because it also gives me the same error when i try to install some sound packages
[12:49] <Razor-X> *gasp*
[12:49] <firemanworld> whenever I try to install some packages, like for example j2sdk1.4m it complains that requires libc6(>=2.3.2.ds1-21), but it also sais that 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is going to be installed
[12:49] <cafuego> firemanworld: Then you have a fairly broken sources.list with non-ubuntu repositories.
[12:49] <firemanworld> aha
[12:49] <firemanworld> ok i will check
[12:49] <cafuego> firemanworld: Mixing pckages is a bad idea at best and will destroy the system at worst.
[12:49] <firemanworld> let me a few minutes
[12:49] <holycow> one, does your friends wifi card work on it? or is he using ndis wrapper?
[12:49] <Razor-X> firemanworld: I have a 62 line sources.list, and it hasn't broken a thing
[12:49] <eth42> firemanworld: that's because it's not from Ubuntu but from Debian
[12:50] <firemanworld> maybe I should write my sources.list here
[12:50] <firemanworld> ??
[12:50] <kemik> use the paste url
[12:50] <Razor-X> firemanworld: no!
[12:50] <cafuego> firemanworld: No, use the pastebot.
[12:50] <cafuego> !paste
[12:50] <ubotu> methinks paste is ""http://ubuntu.pastebin.com http://pastebin.com or #flood here on freenode.""
[12:50] <Razor-X> don't paste anything in this channel
[12:50] <uber_newber> basti: is video resolution and screen resolution the same thing?
[12:50] <kemik> people never reads topic :(
[12:50] <firemanworld> I don't know what you mean
[12:50] <eth42> cafuego: what's a pastebot=
[12:50] <Razor-X> kemik: of course not
[12:50] <Last_in_Line> I'm sure my problem is in php.ini but its not writable & I don't own it to change permissions
[12:50] <Razor-X> because most IRC clients display it in inconvenient places
[12:50] <restrex> anyone have the xbase-clients 6.8.2-35 package to share? Thanks.
[12:50] <cafuego> eth42: A website you can paste stuff on.
[12:50] <uber_newber> can sum1 help me adjust my screen resolution, it wont let me change it from the size 640x480, it doesnt give and option of anyother size than that.  shouldt i b able to adjust it sumhow
[12:50] <Razor-X> Last_in_Line: edit it with ``sudo''
[12:51] <firemanworld> ok
[12:51] <cafuego> !info xbase-clients hoary
[12:51] <ubotu> xbase-clients: (miscellaneous X clients), section x11, is optional. Version: 6.8.2-10 (hoary), Packaged size: 1674 kB, Installed size: 4628 kB
[12:51] <eth42> Last_in_Line: huh? but on Ubuntu you can own it??
[12:51] <Razor-X> uber_newber: sum1? 1+ what? ;)
[12:51] <uber_newber> lol
[12:51] <Razor-X> !tell uber_newber about resolution
[12:51] <holycow> uber_newber, you need to add the proper horizontal and vertical refresh rates for your monitor model and make manually
[12:51] <Last_in_Line> type sudo php.ini in the console?
[12:51] <holycow> uber_newber, check back of moni, if the info is not there, you need to google it
[12:51] <kemik> !resolution
[12:51] <ubotu> rumour has it, resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:51] <firemanworld> i'm going to check my source.list, i will be back in a moment
[12:51] <eth42> cafuego: so some service provided by someone, or just my personal webpage?
[12:51] <Razor-X> kemik: I already got it ;)
[12:52] <cafuego> eth42: Some service provided by someone.
[12:52] <flogiston> Is it possible to get transparacy in gnome menus?
[12:52] <kemik> Razor-X:  yeah, just wanted to see ubotu's answer ;)
[12:52] <Razor-X> kemik: haha, ok
[12:52] <holycow> then chance the /etc/x11/xorg.conf file to have same refresh rates
[12:52] <desrt> .
[12:52] <eth42> Last_in_Line: sudo chmod <permissions-you-want> php.ini
[12:52] <uber_newber> Razor-X: is video resolution the same as screen resolution?
[12:52] <holycow> and restart x server, you can just logout and log backin for that
[12:52] <Razor-X> uber_newber: in this case, yes
[12:52] <uber_newber> k
[12:52] <cafuego> uber_newber: Not normally, but let's just say yes :-)
[12:52] <eth42> Last_in_Line: or just sudo vi php.ini to edit it (not emacs; emacs is evil!) :-)
[12:52] <restrex> cafuego ? fucking n00b? :-)
[12:52] <Razor-X> although, screen resolution can be a bit misleading if you're tying it with GNU screen
[12:53] <uber_newber> allrighty
[12:53] <Razor-X> what's the command you put in .screenrc to change the default screen character from C-a+
[12:53] <Razor-X> s/+/?
[12:53] <cafuego> restrex: You installed breezy despite allw arnings that it was broken, didn't you?
[12:53] <Razor-X> /
[12:53] <eth42> flogiston: I guess transparencies don't fit Gnome's understanding of usability
[12:53] <Razor-X> eth42: too bad ;)
[12:53] <Sado-Mazo> Where to find "Use anti-aliasing" function in gnome?
[12:53] <Razor-X> E is really nice, based on Gnome, and small
[12:53] <cafuego> Sado-Mazo: In the font perferences
[12:54] <Razor-X> people need to make a QT basde mini-WM
[12:54] <flogiston> eth42, To bad
[12:54] <firemanworld> ok, i pasted it, now what??
[12:54] <cafuego> Razor-X: Haha. Qt and mini?
[12:54] <restrex> cafuego nah, I'm only searching for fuckers, dude :-)
[12:54] <Razor-X> firemanworld: now we read it
[12:54] <Sado-Mazo> there is no this function in preferences
[12:54] <firemanworld> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/322971
[12:54] <firemanworld> that's the place
[12:54] <Razor-X> cafuego: QT is just as large as GTK
[12:54] <Razor-X> KDE may be larger than Gnome, that's different
[12:54] <cafuego> Razor-X: SO neither is mini ;-)
[12:54] <cafuego> Razor-X: See '9wm' <heh>
[12:54] <cafuego> !info 9wm
[12:54] <ubotu> 9wm: (emulation of the Plan 9 window manager 8-1/2), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 1.2-6 (hoary), Packaged size: 23 kB, Installed size: 108 kB
[12:55] <cafuego> Razor-X: a 108Kb (inc docs) wm!
[12:55] <Razor-X> !info twm
[12:55] <ubotu> twm: (Tab window manager), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 6.8.2-10 (hoary), Packaged size: 263 kB, Installed size: 628 kB
[12:55] <Razor-X> o_O
[12:55] <Razor-X> wow! fscking crazy!
[12:55] <Sado-Mazo> cafuego: there is no this function in preferences
[12:55] <cafuego> firemanworld: Comment out the marillar lines
[12:55] <Razor-X> !info ratpoison
[12:55] <ubotu> ratpoison: (Simple window manager with no fat library dependencies.), section universe/x11, is extra. Version: 1.2.1 (hoary), Packaged size: 82 kB, Installed size: 228 kB
[12:55] <firemanworld> ok
[12:56] <firemanworld> but they are actually commented
[12:56] <Razor-X> oh wow, 9wm looks like crap ;)
[12:56] <McScruff>  i mounted an iso into a folder, unmounted it but the files stayed in there and i cant delete them
[12:56] <cafuego> firemanworld: d'oh :-)
[12:56] <soultaker> hello can any one help me
[12:56] <firemanworld> :)
[12:56] <eth42> McScruff: strange; what does mount say?
[12:56] <soultaker> i just made a mess wiht the menu bars there is no command to put it back in is place
[12:57] <puff> hm, following ubuntugiude.org, I edited apt-sources to uncomment the commented-out sources and include the multiverse.
[12:57] <Razor-X> !guide
[12:57] <ubotu> Razor-X: Wish i knew
[12:57] <gometro33> what is the default root password?
[12:57] <firemanworld> yeah, I did, but then it fails
[12:57] <Razor-X> !ubuntuguide
[12:57] <ubotu> rumour has it, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[12:57] <eth42> gometro33: huh? there is none
[12:57] <cafuego> firemanworld: In that case, you'll need to go to java.sun.com and download the j2se_1.5.04-*.bin (whatever the latest version is) - NOT the .bin.rpm, but the .bin.
[12:57] <gometro33> then how do i login with root?
[12:58] <gometro33> eth42^^^
[12:58] <cafuego> firemanworld: Also install 'java-package'.
[12:58] <Razor-X> so yeah, what's the command in .screenrc to change the default escape character?
[12:58] <Razor-X> !sudo
[12:58] <ubotu> I guess sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[12:58] <eth42> gometro33: there is per default no root account (see Wiki)
[12:58] <firemanworld> ok
[12:58] <Razor-X> eth42: learn your ubotuwords ;)
[12:58] <firemanworld> i will do, be back in a sec
[12:58] <eth42> gometro33: you can activate it by executing passwd root
[12:58] <Razor-X> or you can just use sudo -s
[12:58] <Sado-Mazo> Which fonts package have tahom fonts???
[12:58] <puff> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/795
[12:58] <gometro33> eth42: ok
[12:58] <cafuego> Sado-Mazo: msttcorefonts
[12:58] <eth42> Razor-X: huh?
[12:58] <soultaker> i just made a mess wiht the menu bars there is no command to put it back in is place can anyone help ,me
[12:59] <Razor-X> eth42: sudo -s is the command to bring up a root shell
[12:59] <Sado-Mazo> cafuego: i doesnt
[12:59] <elsha> hmmm :/
[12:59] <eth42> gometro33: you can also just sudo bash
[12:59] <ray_> hallo
[12:59] <cafuego> !find Tahoma
[12:59] <eth42> Razor-X: ok
[12:59] <hajiki> tahoma is not free, not part of the package
[12:59] <Cody> How do I take my Ubuntu out of 640 X 480?
[12:59] <ray_> I HAVE MY VOICE BACK!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:59] <Sado-Mazo> !find Tahoma
[12:59] <cafuego> The other's aren't free either.
[12:59] <elsha> i thought this kernel supported NTFS partitions :/
[12:59] <gometro33> eth42: when I try to open some files it says I'm not the owner
[12:59] <ray_> thank you guys i will not be rude again
[12:59] <Razor-X> !info tahoma
[12:59] <Razor-X> elsha: not writing
[01:00] <eth42> gometro33: just prefix your command with sudo, enter your personal passwd, and your done
[01:00] <Razor-X> writing isn't fully supported quite yet
[01:00] <cafuego> Sado-Mazo: You can always copy Tahoma*.ttf off Windows and put them in ~/.fonts/
[01:00] <puff> hm, so what am i doing wrong in my sourceS?
[01:00] <Kovecses> Seveas, are you the one that controls if i can talk?
[01:00] <Razor-X> hmmmm, I don't really use BASH anymore ;)
[01:00] <gometro33> eth42: what about when i'm using nautalis?
[01:00] <elsha> can't partition in ntfs either it appears
[01:00] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'Tahoma' returned no results.
[01:00] <elsha> guess i should do that in windows setup
[01:00] <eth42> gometro33: hehe
[01:00] <Cody> NEED HELP WITH RESOLUTION!!!
[01:00] <puff> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/795
[01:00] <weilawei> Cody, you need to be quieter. Some of us are old and fragile.
[01:01] <Kovecses> Seveas, well if you are i am sorry.....
[01:01] <Razor-X> !tell Cody about resolution
[01:01] <gometro33> eth42: huh?
[01:01] <puff> Hm.
[01:01] <Kovecses> Cody, whats up?
[01:01] <Razor-X> Cody: why the shout and the three exclamation points?
[01:01] <eth42>  gometro33: I don't know.
[01:01] <russ_> HEY WHATSUP
[01:01] <eth42> :-)
[01:01] <gometro33> um ok
[01:01] <Razor-X> this isn't ``OMG HEEEEEL MEEEEE WTF?!?!1111'' land
[01:01] <Kovecses> Cody, whats your problem with resolution
[01:01] <russ_> im new here
[01:01] <puff> somebody needs to make an IRC server that filters out lines with all-caps and too many exclamation pints.
[01:01] <eth42> gometro33: good question, though :-)
[01:01] <russ_> i just installed ubuntu on my firends compuiter
[01:01] <Razor-X> ;)
[01:01] <russ_> cuz win 98 was giving us a headahce
[01:01] <eth42> gometro33: and an obvious question as well
[01:02] <puff> Anybody able to give me a hand with apt-sources?
[01:02] <Razor-X> puff: then a whole bunch of AOLers would have to commit seppuke
[01:02] <elsha> what partition type does the ubuntu OS files need? seems to be a lot of choices :(
[01:02] <one> win 98 is archaic lol
[01:02] <Razor-X> s/seppuke/seppuku/
[01:02] <russ_> looks like she didnt mount my friends hard drive
[01:02] <IIIEars> Hi Cody - Ubuntu wants to be extra careful with your hardware and believes you know best what it is capable of. - you can use lspci to get system information and the use sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg - there is more info here
[01:02] <kgnally> hi everyone
[01:02] <eth42> gometro33: perhaps execute in a Terminal: sudo nautilus
[01:02] <Razor-X> s/seppuku/sepuku/
[01:02] <gometro33> eth42: i can't tell if you really don't know or if you're just making fun of me for being a noob...
[01:02] <IIIEars> !resolution
[01:02] <ubotu> well, resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:02] <Razor-X> AOLers thrive on more than one exclamation mark, annoying shortenings, and caps
[01:02] <eth42> gometro33: I almost always work with Terminal, so....
[01:02] <cafuego> !!R34LLY?
[01:02] <ubotu> cafuego: I don't know
[01:02] <gometro33> eth42: ok, thanks for help
[01:03] <cafuego> bah, spoilsport bot
[01:03] <Razor-X> one: as someone on TWiT said ``It [Windows 98]  is so old that hackers don't target it''
[01:03] <ubuntu> hi
[01:03] <Kovecses> eth42, hello
[01:03] <kgnally> I'd like to heave a big ol' THANK YOU in the direction of the people on this channel who poined me to the Unbuntu ATI binary installation instructions! It seems to have worked flawlessly.
[01:03] <eth42> Kovecses: huh?
[01:03] <one> lol
[01:03] <elsha> damn, the sun is just coming up, all the birds are coming out and making a racket
[01:03] <Kovecses> eth42, sorry......mistake
[01:03] <Cody> uhhhh....
[01:03] <eth42> Kovecses: hah!
[01:03] <kgnally> One question: Where/how do I check the disk space available in Unbuntu while in X?
[01:03] <cafuego> Razor-X: That's true. it just happens to have all the same holes as the rest of windows, which DOES get targeted ;-)
[01:03] <Razor-X> kgnally: you can always open up a Terminal and type ``df''
[01:04] <eth42> elsha: according to the fine weather app, there's night outside
[01:04] <kgnally> Razor-X, good God, why did I not know that
[01:04] <cafuego> Night? It's 9am dude
[01:04] <firemanworld> ok. I fixed my sources.list, multiverse is working now, but I cant find j2sdk
[01:04] <Razor-X> cafuego: here it's 4 PM
[01:04] <weilawei> Does anyone know about taking the Ubuntu LiveCD and making a LiveUSB stick out of it?
[01:04] <firemanworld> anyway don't mind, i will download it from sus
[01:04] <firemanworld> sun
[01:04] <eth42> kgnally: what do you mean: while in X?
[01:04] <Kovecses> kgnally, applications>system tools>system monitor
[01:04] <puff> firemanworld: What was the problem?  Maybe i have the same problem.
[01:04] <Razor-X> weilawei: for your purposes, Flonix would be nice
[01:04] <soultaker> go it
[01:04] <soultaker> hehehe
[01:04] <firemanworld> but I have more questions... what is the difference between the multiverse and the universe repository??
[01:05] <kgnally> eth42, never mind, I was loking for a util and got a perfectly usable command prompt command instead
[01:05] <soultaker> thanks guys
[01:05] <Razor-X> but, you can always try using debootstrap and doing something
[01:05] <cafuego> firemanworld: That way yopu'll get the latest. Once downloaded, you can run 'make-jpkg j2dsk.....bin', which will create a .deb for you.
[01:05] <l-i-l> I tried sudo v php.ini & its still read only <---Last_in_Line back after dialup disconnect.
[01:05] <firemanworld> puff - some problem with libc6, but I don't know how to fix it!
[01:05] <firemanworld> ok, thanks cafuego
[01:05] <Razor-X> s/and doing/and try doing/
[01:05] <puff> Ah, drat.
[01:05] <Cody> Does anyone know the Resoloution link?
[01:05] <russ_> hey how would i mount my hard drive?
[01:05] <apollo2011> When my laptop isn't in the base station, it boots, but goes to a blank screen when it should be loading X.  Otherwise, it loads fine when it is docked.
[01:05] <weilawei> Razor-X, thanks I'll check it out
[01:05] <puff> Anybody know what I have to do to enable hibernate/suspend-to-ram on a thinkpad?
[01:05] <eth42> kgnally: doesn't Nautilus also do the job (statusbar)
[01:05] <elsha> eth42, not in western australia it's not :P
[01:05] <Kovecses> kgnally, applications>system tools>system monitor
[01:05] <cafuego> puff: firemanworld had a debian j2sdk deb, which has unsatisfied depends on ubuntu.
[01:05] <Cody> Resolution Problems!
[01:06] <eth42> elsha: wow, australia...
[01:06] <uber_newber> same here cody
[01:06] <puff> cafuego: Ah... I need to install the jdk (and tomcat, and mysql) soon too, but right now...
[01:06] <elsha> 7am
[01:06] <Sado-Mazo> !find Tahoma
[01:06] <puff> I'm actually trying to keep a journal of all this, might be useful for somebody else.
[01:06] <kgnally> thank you Kovecses , that was EXACTLY what I was looking for
[01:06] <hajiki> !ati
[01:06] <ubotu> ati is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:06] <Razor-X> eth42: why suggest a GUI app?
[01:06] <uber_newber> cody: are u trying to adjust yur screen resolution size?
[01:06] <Razor-X> ;)
[01:06] <Kovecses> kgnally, no prob
[01:06] <cafuego> Wait Awhile
[01:06] <l-i-l> I take it I need root access & it gave me no option to set root password
[01:06] <Cody>  yes
[01:06] <firemanworld> uumm i will tell you if i find anything puff
[01:06] <elsha> up all night trying to get this installed and here i am stuck on what type of partition i need :P
[01:06] <Razor-X> a CLI app uses way less RAM
[01:06] <eth42> elsha: I see, birds singing, newspaper brought, some coffee, etc.
[01:06] <eth42> fine
[01:06] <weilawei> Razor-X, I don't even need to trim it down.. it's a 1 GB usb stick. I figured I could fit a full LiveCD type distro on it comfortably.
[01:06] <russ__> howdy
[01:07] <Razor-X> most of the time, anyways
[01:07] <uber_newber> cody: same here, lemme know if ya have any luck
[01:07] <terrex> hi friends, i've just upgraded from yesterday to today (libx11-6, gnome-control-center,..) and when i login, the splash screen freezes and neither nautilus nor gnome-panel load. So i must to select from GDM "failsafe xterm" and then starts metacity & gnome-panel manually. Also gnomemeeting and gaim don't want to start. Anybody can confirm this?
[01:07] <Cody> uber_newber:Yeah
[01:07] <Kovecses> russ__, hey
[01:07] <eth42> Razor-X: think different
[01:07] <Razor-X> weilawei: well, you'll have to play around with it, but if you have the time, go for it
[01:07] <elsha> in eastern states cafuego?
[01:07] <eth42> Razor-X: erm
[01:07] <Razor-X> eth42: hmmmm?
[01:07] <ubuntu> hello
[01:07] <eth42> Razor-X: well
[01:07] <LordSur0> hi, speak spanish??
[01:07] <cafuego> elsha: yeash, west melbourne
[01:07] <russ__> first time using ubuntu :D
[01:07] <uber_newber> Cody: thanx
[01:07] <Razor-X> LordSur0: #ubuntu-es
[01:07] <russ__> its good
[01:07] <Cody> bye!
[01:07] <elsha> cool cool
[01:07] <Kovecses> russ__, youlike it
[01:07] <xeiro> help! I have a ethernet card that shows up when I do lspci ... and DCHP is running on my network... but ubuntu does not pic up an up
[01:07] <uber_newber> c ya
[01:07] <xeiro> ip
[01:07] <LordSur0> thanks
[01:07] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'Tahoma' returned no results.
[01:07] <russ__> yeah so far!
[01:07] <firemanworld> does anybody know what the difference between the multiverse and the universe repository is??
[01:07] <eth42> Razor-X: Nautilus has nice icons for PDFs, unlike terminal
[01:07] <russ_> how do i mount a fat32 partition?
[01:07] <Kovecses> russ__, ave you used linux before?
[01:07] <cafuego> elsha: Not just cool. Plain COLD, in fact ;-)
[01:08] <Razor-X> eth42: so? ;)
[01:08] <russ__> yeah, but not for desktop
[01:08] <russ__> just for my server
[01:08] <Razor-X> I don't really care about icons, meh
[01:08] <Kovecses> russ__, sweet
[01:08] <russ__> do you know of a good dreamweaver equivelent?
[01:08] <Kovecses> i still dont have any icons on the desktop.....i like it bare
[01:08] <eth42> Razor-X: I shouldn't use terminal anymore, and not recommend vi, <grumble>
[01:08] <Razor-X> I use GUI for web browsing (I may try and use in Terminal graphics programs) PDF viewers, and DVI viewers
[01:09] <cafuego> russ__: There isn't really one. Maybe try 'bluefish' or 'nvu'.
[01:09] <Kovecses> vi is confusing
[01:09] <eth42> Razor-X: you should try links for browsing, it's cool
[01:09] <russ__> lol
[01:09] <Razor-X> Kovecses: hahahahahaha!
[01:09] <Sado-Mazo> how to turn on anti-aliasing in gnome?
[01:09] <eth42> Kovecses: but once you mastered it, you are master of the universe
[01:09] <puff> Ah, found the power management:  http://www.tuxme.com/node/544
[01:09] <Razor-X> eth42: I have TwiBright Labs Links2 custom compiled ;)
[01:09] <xeiro> no hardware expert here :( ?
[01:09] <Razor-X> vim is ok
[01:09] <Razor-X> emacs is much better
[01:09] <russ__> pico is nicer :D
[01:09] <xeiro> boooo emacs
[01:09] <Kovecses> Razor-X, i have no reason to use it much to learn it
[01:09] <Razor-X> russ__: pico has like 5 commands ;)
[01:09] <russ__> lol
[01:09] <russ__> yeah
[01:09] <Razor-X> Kovecses: I had no pressing reason eihter
[01:09] <Kovecses> Razor-X, no need to laugh
[01:10] <Razor-X> s/eihter/either/
[01:10] <russ__> exactly!! :D
[01:10] <xeiro> pico = simple editor
[01:10] <elsha> is anyone able to explain to me what the different types of partitioning are?
[01:10] <cafuego> emacs is emacs and thus not better then anything (including Windows 3.11 for Workgroups)
[01:10] <Razor-X> but, my productivity has gone up
[01:10] <eth42> Razor-X:  hehe
[01:10] <cafuego> xeiro: that would be 'nano' on ubuntu
[01:10] <Kovecses> yes nano i like
[01:10] <elsha> man, i hate emacs.
[01:10] <xeiro> nano?
[01:10] <russ_> sorry i missed your answers
[01:10] <Razor-X> vi... what an editor ;)
[01:10] <xeiro> thats an editor?
[01:10] <Kovecses> nano is what i use to edit sources.list
[01:10] <Razor-X> damned modes
[01:10] <russ_> what is bluefish for?
[01:10] <xeiro> I like vi
[01:10] <eth42> pico is to complicated
[01:10] <russ_> or nvu
[01:10] <xeiro> I used to use emcas
[01:10] <apokryphos> vi/vim are better :P
[01:10] <Kovecses> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:11] <russ_> i just need to set it up
[01:11] <Razor-X> xeiro: I used to use vi
[01:11] <cafuego> xeiro: Yes, nano is like pico, because the pico licence doesn't allow for modified binary distribution.
[01:11] <Bytor> hello all
[01:11] <russ_> i am taking the ferry soon
[01:11] <Razor-X> I switched to emacs
[01:11] <russ__> laters!
[01:11] <l-i-l> How do I break the read only setting on php.ini?
[01:11] <Razor-X> and no, I hate vi binds
[01:11] <Razor-X> these people must have been smoking QWERTY *shrugs*
[01:11] <elsha> :(
[01:11] <russ_> hey
[01:11] <Razor-X> Kate's nice
[01:11] <Razor-X> for a GUI editor
[01:11] <russ_> i need to mount his windows partition
[01:11] <cafuego> No, BBEdit is nice for a GUI editor.
[01:12] <eth42> Razor-X: huh? qwertz please
[01:12] <Kovecses> i do HTML with bluefish
[01:12] <xeiro> cafuego: roger on that pic
[01:12] <russ_> what is nvu or bluefish
[01:12] <uber_newber> Razor-X: is video resolution the same as screen resolution?
[01:12] <Razor-X> eth42: still QWERTY based
[01:12] <Razor-X> uber_newber: yeah
[01:12] <uber_newber> k
[01:12] <cafuego> russ_: nvu is a wysiwyg htmle ditor, bluefish is an editor.
[01:12] <xeiro> htmle :) ?
[01:12] <russ_> i need to mount a hard drive how will that help?
[01:12] <cafuego> xeiro: htmle ditor
[01:12] <apokryphos> bluefish isn't a wysiwyg editor?
[01:12] <russ_> mount /?
[01:12] <cafuego> apokryphos: no
[01:13] <Kovecses> i think he means html editor
[01:13] <eth42> russ_: what's the problem?
[01:13] <russ_> i only have 2 hours to do this
[01:13] <xeiro> there is such a language?
[01:13] <xeiro> :) ?
[01:13] <apokryphos> cafuego: I couldn't count the amount of people I've heard suggest that when someone asks for a w-editor
[01:13] <russ_> i finally got it installed
[01:13] <eth42> russ_: 2 hours to mount a harddisk should suffice :-)
[01:13] <russ_> their computer was being a bitch
[01:13] <Razor-X> apokryphos: it's one of the best, I hear
[01:13] <russ_> i cant even get the video card working on win 98
[01:13] <eth42> russ_: what's your prob?
[01:13] <xeiro> or maybe its htmale :)
[01:13] <apokryphos> russ_: comparable to Quanta?
[01:13] <cafuego> apokryphos: maybe the latest revision is, but none of the ones I've ever used showed anything but source.
[01:13] <uber_newber> can sum1 help me adjust my screen resolution, it wont let me change it from the size 640x480, it doesnt give and option of anyother size than that.  shouldt i b able to adjust it sumhow
[01:13] <Razor-X> eth42: pshhh, that's conservative ;)
[01:13] <russ_> its the windows fat 32 partition i need
[01:13] <russ_> what is quanta?
[01:14] <xeiro> quanta = yuck
[01:14] <apokryphos> xeiro: are you serious?
[01:14] <Kovecses> uber_newber, what kind of computer do you have
[01:14] <Razor-X> I better stop blaming AOLers for AOLSpeak, and instead blame QWERTY, the root of the cause ;)
[01:14] <uber_newber> toshiba tecra 8000
[01:14] <russ_> terminal wont let me cd..
[01:14] <uber_newber> t processor
[01:14] <Razor-X> russ_: what's the error?
[01:14] <Kovecses> uber_newber, video?
[01:14] <xeiro> apokryphos: ok wait ... was thinking of something else
[01:14] <uber_newber> i dunno, sorry :(
[01:14] <doudou> hi everybody
[01:14] <xeiro> lol ... quanta = yaay
[01:14] <apokryphos> =)
[01:14] <eth42> russ_: so? sudo fdisk -l will tell you which device it is, and than you mount <device> <mountpoint>
[01:14] <doudou> is somebody help me?
[01:15] <elsha> should i be making my main partition ext3 journalling file system?
[01:15] <doudou> i wam
[01:15] <Kovecses> uber_newber, do a sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and select the resolution you want to use
[01:15] <Razor-X> elsha: that depends on your needs really
[01:15] <funkyHat> russ_, do you want it to automatically mount at startup? or just mount it now?
[01:15] <uber_newber> k
[01:15] <xeiro> how long have you guys been using ubuntu?
[01:15] <Razor-X> ext3 is a nice, all-rounded fs, but there are better ones
[01:15] <russ_> yes
[01:15] <eth42> doudou: what's the prob?
[01:15] <russ_> it needs to mount at startup
[01:15] <apokryphos> aha
[01:15] <apokryphos> !quanta
[01:15] <ubotu> rumour has it, quanta is at http://quanta.kdewebdev.org/ Quanta Plus is a highly stable and feature-rich KDE-based web development environment.
[01:15] <elsha> razor, what are the better ones?
[01:15] <funkyHat> ok, you need to edit /etc/fstab
[01:15] <othernoob> elsha: reiser4 is better
[01:15] <Kovecses> xeiro, like two months....but debian for like three years before
[01:15] <russ_> so i should type in sudo fdisk?
[01:16] <Razor-X> elsha: look at XFS, and ReiserFS (current version Reiser4)
[01:16] <doudou> i want to download a theme on www.gnome-look.org but i can't
[01:16] <russ_> when i type cd.. in terminal it doesnt let me go back a folder
[01:16] <russ_> directory
[01:16] <russ_> ehem
[01:16] <xeiro> Kovecses: cool
[01:16] <Razor-X> russ_: ``cd ..''
[01:16] <othernoob> russ_: cd ..
[01:16] <russ_> root@S010600105a9e1971:/home/russ # cd..
[01:16] <russ_> bash: cd..: command not found
[01:16] <Kovecses> doudou, right click the link  and save as
[01:16] <elsha> all im going to be using the partition for is for program/system files. im going to be keeping all my data on a seperate partition
[01:16] <xeiro> Kovecses: I just started today
[01:16] <russ_> thats nuts
[01:16] <russ_> :)
[01:16] <Kovecses> russ_, cd ..
[01:16] <Razor-X> you have to put a space between a program and it's arguments/parameters
[01:16] <othernoob> russ_: cd .. not cd..
[01:16] <doudou> only do this?
[01:16] <xeiro> Been using mandrake for years though
[01:16] <russ_> i use mandrake
[01:16] <Kovecses> russ_, whith a space
[01:16] <eth42>  russ_: just put a line with the device  into /etc/fstab
[01:16] <xeiro> its a whole lot different
[01:16] <Razor-X> elsha: but do you need speed, will you have lots of small files? etc.
[01:17] <russ_> how do i find the address of the device/hard drive?
[01:17] <russ_> hda/ ?
[01:17] <eth42> xeiro: me too, switched 4 days ago to Ubuntu
[01:17] <funkyHat> you need to add a line, which will probably be /dev/hda1     /mnt/c     vfat   defaults    0 0
[01:17] <HrdwrBoB> sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda should help
[01:17] <Razor-X> russ_: sudo fdisk -l
[01:17] <xeiro> so russ_ ... how do you like mandrake ? :)
[01:17] <Kovecses> eth42, what did you use before?
[01:17] <russ_> mandrake is cool
[01:17] <eth42> Kovecses: Mandrake 10.1
[01:17] <Razor-X> xeiro: that's an evil question man ;)
[01:17] <xeiro> Razor-X: :)
[01:17] <elsha> Razor-X, space shouldnt be a big issue.. so reiserfs would be the best way to go?
[01:17] <doudou> right click and save link as?
[01:18] <russ_> its /dev/hda1
[01:18] <eth42> Mandrake setup tools are not Gnome-HIG compliant, I'd say
[01:18] <Kovecses> Mandrake looks like a childs operating system
[01:18] <eth42> Kovecses: and Ubuntu?
[01:18] <russ_> and /dev/hdb1
[01:18] <xeiro> speaking of reiserfs .... I've always wondered about defraggin on linux
[01:18] <Razor-X> elsha: XFS has real good performance, but ReiserFS works best with a lot of small files
[01:18] <xeiro> Kovecses: a child OS eh :)
[01:18] <Razor-X> xeiro: you never need to
[01:18] <russ_> mandrake runs on gnome and kde
[01:18] <Razor-X> most of the FSs that Linux uses don't fragment easily
[01:18] <elsha> okies, thanks :)
[01:18] <spudse> which pcmia wifi card is known to work with ubuntu ?
[01:18] <apokryphos> Mandriva is still pretty decent. The idea that it's "only for n00bs" is seriously unwarranted; some seriously knowledgable users there
[01:18] <xeiro> Razor-X: how come?
[01:19] <eth42>  russ_: but gnome is always too old
[01:19] <xeiro> whats the logics behind not needing to
[01:19] <xeiro> ?
[01:19] <funkyHat> russ_, ( look up ^ ) and replace /mnt/c with wherever you want to mount the partition
[01:19] <Razor-X> and the minor fragmentation is easily curbed by a periodic fsck (when your periodic tune2fs starts)
[01:19] <Razor-X> xeiro: that's just the way it is
[01:19] <Razor-X> I obviously don't know the code behind the FSs, else I think i'ld have a nice certification
[01:19] <Razor-X> ;)
[01:19] <xeiro> Razor-X: I see ... so its all in the filesystem eh
[01:19] <eth42> apokryphos: I think it's not bad but still I had some problems, and nobody cared about the bug reports in bugzilla....
[01:19] <russ_> root@S010600105a9e1971:/etc # cd fstab
[01:19] <russ_> bash: cd: fstab: Not a directory
[01:20] <Razor-X> xeiro: pretty much
[01:20] <elsha> so, i'd be correct in saying that the default kernel in ubuntu can read ntfs, but can not write?
[01:20] <russ_> should i edit fstab with a text editor?
[01:20] <Razor-X> russ_: fstab isn't a directory ;)
[01:20] <Razor-X> elsha: correcto ;)
[01:20] <apokryphos> eth42: bugzilla with ubuntu's actually been useless so far (for me), as has the forum. Only place I've really got help is this channel
[01:20] <eth42> russ_: sudo gedit fstab
[01:20] <Razor-X> russ_: /etc/fstab is a file
[01:20] <funkyHat> russ_, you will also need to sudo mkdir /mnt/c, and change permissions/ownerships if you want them to be different to defaults
[01:20] <elsha> gah, i dont know if having 80gb of fat32 is such a good idea :/
[01:20] <Razor-X> elsha: ewww!
[01:21] <xeiro> well I still need to find a way to get my onboard ethernet card to pick up :(
[01:21] <Razor-X> both HFS and NTFS are nice filesystems
[01:21] <russ_> ok im in
[01:21] <eth42> apokryphos: ok ........... so let's create a new, error-free distro
[01:21] <xeiro> sigh
[01:21] <Kovecses> i said LOOKS LIKE .....im new to linux to im not saying mandrake IS...i just dont like how it looks
[01:21] <apokryphos> eth42: this includes MOTU's bug system (gah, I always forget the name)
[01:21] <russ_> ok slow down
[01:21] <Razor-X> but FAT based filesystems are behind the times for anything except small capacity devices
[01:21] <russ_> one thing at a time
[01:21] <apokryphos> eth42: cool! I'll handle the finances and make the t-shirts.
[01:21] <othernoob> Razor-X: NTFS == nice FS ???? are you on drugs?
[01:21] <funkyHat> russ_, sorry :)
[01:21] <xeiro> Razor-X: lol .. fat based .. eck
[01:21] <eth42> apokryphos: MOTU?
[01:21] <eth42> apokryphos: I'll handle finance, you make the coffee
[01:21] <eth42> apokryphos: :-)
[01:21] <Razor-X> othernoob: compared to the world of FSs, if implemented correctly, NTFS has really nice features
[01:21] <HrdwrBoB> othernoob: actually it's not too bad
[01:21] <elsha> Razor-X, what would be another option that is write for both ubuntu and winxp?
[01:21] <HrdwrBoB> elsha: pretty much fat32 is it
[01:22] <apokryphos> eth42: Masters of the Universe
[01:22] <Razor-X> elsha: ahh.... you got me there ;)
[01:22] <elsha> :(
[01:22] <eth42> apokryphos: that's it!
[01:22] <Razor-X> you can get utilities that let you write to partitions though
[01:22] <apokryphos> eth42: i.e. those handling all things in Universe/Multiverse
[01:22] <eth42> apokryphos: :-)
[01:22] <adam_> Hey how is everyone doing
[01:22] <Razor-X> I myself use a utility to access ReiserFS in my Windows partition
[01:22] <elsha> possible to get a kernel that will write to ntfs in ubuntu?
[01:22] <russ_> ok i  added /dev/hda1	/mnt/Drive1
[01:22] <russ_> /dev/hdb1	/mnt/Drive2
[01:22] <russ_> now how do i make the new directories?
[01:23] <crimsun> apokryphos: Malone.
[01:23] <Razor-X> elsha: you'll have to compile it yourself
[01:23] <Razor-X> which is a shitload of hastle
[01:23] <apokryphos> crimsun: that's it, thanks.
[01:23] <Razor-X> at least, I think so
[01:23] <funkyHat> Razor-X, with the ntfs utilities packages installed, is it safe to simply set ntfs partitions as rw? or do i need to set up run those utilities too?
[01:23] <cs378> ahhhhhhhhhhh
[01:23] <mpmc> russ_: use mkdir
[01:23] <russ_> how do i get it to make the directories each startup
[01:23] <elsha> MmMmmmmm
[01:23] <cs378> i cant take it anymoreeeeee
[01:23] <russ_> though
[01:23] <cs378> im movin to windwos
[01:23] <adam_> I was wondering if someone could walk me through fixing a small problem?
[01:23] <eth42> russ_: mkdir <dir>; I'd advice you to read the basics chapter of RUTE
[01:23] <funkyHat> russ_, what else have you put on the line with /dev/hda1 /mnt/Drive1 ?
[01:23] <apokryphos> adam_: not without you mentioning it
[01:23] <Kovecses> cs378, whats the problem
[01:23] <mpmc> russ_ it will use the same dirs
[01:23] <xeiro> cs378: what cantu take?
[01:23] <russ_> nothing else
[01:23] <Razor-X> cs378: don't do that, if you really need sugarcoating, try Macintosh ;)
[01:24] <eth42>  cs378: you're doomed!!! DOOOMMED
[01:24] <cs378> lol
[01:24] <Razor-X> Windows is notoriously unsafe, and if Linux isn't for you, then you should try Mac
[01:24] <xeiro> eth42: I wouldn't say doomed
[01:24] <xeiro> :)
[01:24] <russ_> ok i made them
[01:24] <cs378> ill try linuxagain tomo, things just never installs
[01:24] <adam_> I accidentally deleted my top panel on Gnome desktop ubuntu 5.04
[01:24] <eth42> cs378: wrecked?
[01:24] <russ_> now how do i set permissions
[01:24] <apokryphos> cs378: like what?
[01:24] <cs378> like gaim
[01:24] <xeiro> windows is easy configuring :D
[01:24] <Razor-X> russ_: chmod +r is add read, +x is add execute, and +w is add write
[01:24] <funkyHat> russ_, you need to specify the type (vfat), and other options, and put two 0s at the end of the line (follow the layout of the rest of the file)
[01:24] <cs378> i need gcc, cc, cl, gawk
[01:24] <apokryphos> adam_: I think if you right-click on the other one you can select to add
[01:24] <eth42> cs378: gaim was installed per default on my system...
[01:25] <Razor-X> xeiro: but too much is handled by Windows for my good
[01:25] <eth42> cs378: for gaim??
[01:25] <Razor-X> cs378: sudo apt-get install build-essentials
[01:25] <xeiro> Razor-X: too much what?
[01:25] <mpmc> Windoze is good for new peeps to computers..
[01:25] <apokryphos> adam_: or, in terminal killall gnome-terminal, and then alt+f2 -> gnome-terminal
[01:25] <Razor-X> but, why compile gAIM?
[01:25] <Kovecses> cs378, yeah gaim is a default app
[01:25] <adam_> thanks
[01:25] <cs378> eth42, oh
[01:25] <apokryphos> adam_: these are guesses, I never use gnome myself.
[01:25] <Razor-X> xeiro: I had to fix a problem in Windows
[01:25] <deprave[tm] > anyone experience freeze-ups during installation at the point where primary installation repository is being set up?
[01:25] <russ_> yeh i closed the file by accident
[01:25] <russ_> thanks
[01:25] <Kovecses> windows is the worst
[01:25] <Razor-X> and the worst part of a GUI, an not Conf files, is that if the GUI thinks that an option doesen't work, it won't present it to you
[01:25] <cs378> im usin kubuntu btw, they have this k thing which i don like
[01:25] <mpmc> Heh, I had an old 486, with win 95 on it... I had to install windows once a day :P
[01:26] <apokryphos> adam_: heh, its' late -- ignore all mentions of gnome-terminal -- it's gnome-panel
[01:26] <xeiro> why everyone just hating on windoze :)
[01:26] <Razor-X> conf files at least return nice errors
[01:26] <xeiro> its not all that bad
[01:26] <adam_> I managed to add a blank panel it's a start.
[01:26] <apokryphos> cs378: what thing
[01:26] <eth42> Kovecses: in a world without fences and walls, who need gates and windows
[01:26] <Razor-X> xeiro: I almost tore out my hair using Windows
[01:26] <apokryphos> adam_: yeah, that's it. Then just add things from there
[01:26] <IIIEars> Windows is okay. - just don't connect it to the internet. - too many exploits out for it.
[01:26] <Kovecses> yeah its not tooo too bad but
[01:26] <apokryphos> eth42: those who want to keep the cold out
[01:26] <xeiro> Razor-X: really ... hmmm ... drove u that crazy eh
[01:26] <cs378> apokryphos: kopete
[01:26] <Razor-X> even now, my dad's Windows partition has become riddled with Spyware/Adware/Viruses because I don't have the same vigilance to protect it as I did before I installed a permanent Linux partition
[01:26] <apokryphos> cs378: what's wrong/
[01:26] <russ_> i added the 0s and the file type
[01:26] <apokryphos> cs378: join #kubuntu
[01:27] <adam_> I appreciate yourhelp
[01:27] <Razor-X> people say that Linux drives them crazy, Windows drives me crazy
[01:27] <Kovecses> i agree if you dont connect to the net windows is great
[01:27] <Razor-X> cs378: or ask me
[01:27] <apokryphos> adam_: no worries =)
[01:27] <Razor-X> i'm a Kubuntu user ;) (or it used to be Kubuntu)
[01:27] <funkyHat> russ_, put in 'defaults' under options too
[01:27] <xeiro> windoze is easy for gaming :)
[01:27] <deprave[tm] > so is irix
[01:27] <Razor-X> I still say Mac is better than Windows in all but gaming
[01:27] <funkyHat> (not the 's though)
[01:27] <apokryphos> Kovecses: nah, it's still yucky, and without the Internet you have 1/3 of your progs, or less
[01:27] <mpmc> Is there any other GUI'S for UB? (apart from kubuntu)?
[01:27] <desrt> linux obviously causes viruses for windows users
[01:27] <russ_> k done
[01:27] <xeiro> Razor-X: I take it u are a linux guru then
[01:27] <Razor-X> deprave[tm] : Irix can't play half the games Windows can
[01:27] <IIIEars> someone here said there was three viruses on linux and those were rarely seen in the "wild"
[01:27] <eth42> xeiro: there's Nibbles for Linux!!!
[01:27] <Razor-X> desrt: how so
[01:27] <funkyHat> russ_, now sudo mount -a should work
[01:27] <desrt> if you were meant to go on the internet with anything other than windows then it would have come on your computer already, punks
[01:27] <Kovecses> yeah but there still are cool games for linux.....enemy-territory....Americas army
[01:27] <Razor-X> xeiro: I wouldn't call myself a guru
[01:27] <deprave[tm] > Razor-X: i was being sarcastic
[01:27] <apokryphos> Razor-X: still, kubuntu discussion is best in #kubuntu :P
[01:27] <desrt> you're all part of the problem for people like me
[01:28] <Razor-X> i'm a power-user, though
[01:28] <xeiro> Nibbles ... meh
[01:28] <Razor-X> deprave[tm] : hah ;)
[01:28] <xeiro> I dont play much games anyways
[01:28] <Razor-X> neither do I
[01:28] <apokryphos> Razor-X: 20 bucks says it's the password issue
[01:28] <funkyHat> (having saved to disk fstab of course)
[01:28] <cs378> Razor-X: i tried apt-get install build-essentials -- says couldnt find build-essentials package :(
[01:28] <mpmc> Anyone!
[01:28] <russ_> mount: unknown filesystem type 'fat32
[01:28] <eth42> Kovecses: pingus!
[01:28] <xeiro> just starcraft and the occasional Unreal tourny
[01:28] <Razor-X> cs378: is your Kubuntu CD in?
[01:28] <apokryphos> cs378: are you trying to compile it?
[01:28] <Kovecses> eth42, whats that?
[01:28] <funkyHat> russ_, the type is vfat, not fat32
[01:28] <Razor-X> I play UT, Cube, nethack, and tuxracer
[01:28] <eth42> Kovecses: a nice Lemmings clone
[01:28] <russ_> ok
[01:28] <djwoodsu> hi
[01:28] <Razor-X> that's about it
[01:28] <cs378> Razor-X: no
[01:28] <xeiro> heh .. tuxracer was cool
[01:28] <eth42> Kovecses: with penguins, though...
[01:28] <Razor-X> and occasionally, very occasionally ToME
[01:28] <cs378> apokryphos: yes
[01:28] <Kovecses> eth42, supertux is cool
[01:28] <apokryphos> cs378: why?
[01:29] <djwoodsu> is somebody to explain me how install a them
[01:29] <eth42> Kovecses: don't know supertux
[01:29] <mpmc> Eth42: lemmings where!?
[01:29] <xeiro> whats the hardware tool for ubuntu?
[01:29] <Razor-X> Kovecses: supertux?
[01:29] <cs378> apokryphos: don i need to compile it first then install??? sry im such a newb
[01:29] <Kovecses> eth42, very cool game
[01:29] <Razor-X> cs378: hah!
[01:29] <Octane> anyone know what package i need to install to fix this: /usr/local/apr/bin/apr-config: No such file or directory
[01:29] <Kovecses> eth42, like mario
[01:29] <Razor-X> we'ld be in the dark ages if we compiled everything
[01:29] <eth42> mpmc: pingus; cool grpahix, and so on
[01:29] <apokryphos> cs378: there's no need if it's in the repositories, no :)
[01:29] <Kovecses> eth42, its in universe
[01:29] <apokryphos> cs378: though if you have Kubuntu then Kopete comes with it automatically
[01:29] <xeiro> I think I need to stop using windows for a year to become good at linux
[01:29] <eth42> Kovecses: hehe, will try it :-)
[01:29] <russ_> ok the primary partition mounted but the extended one wont!
[01:29] <xeiro> :(
[01:29] <Razor-X> although, I wouldn't mind trying it on my 'ol x86 in the back
[01:29] <Razor-X> cs378: Kopete is best for Kubuntu
[01:29] <apokryphos> cs378: seriously, join #kubuntu -- it's quieter and this is a #kubuntu issue
[01:29] <Razor-X> and Kopete is _real_ nice
[01:30] <Razor-X> apokryphos: not really, they use the same base
[01:30] <xeiro> amsn
[01:30] <IIIEars> linux works great for games - likely faster than windows. - the installation can be a little more difficult. though some games have installers included with them Unreal tournament 2004 etc. there are one click installers for many others, Cedega or Wine will mange the rest.
[01:30] <Razor-X> just a different set of packages
[01:30] <xeiro> yaaaay
[01:30] <Kovecses> yeah #kubuntu
[01:30] <apokryphos> Razor-X: errr... his question is about Kopete
[01:30] <Razor-X> apokryphos: so?
[01:30] <Razor-X> that's a package specific question
[01:30] <eth42> hey guys, there's scummvm for playing all the old and superb Lucasarts adventures like Maniac Mansion, Monkey Island
[01:30] <cs378> apokryphos: i know kipoete comes with it, i just wanna try to install one application just for fun, things just never works
[01:30] <Razor-X> ;)
[01:30] <apokryphos> Razor-X: since it's KDE-related it's a Kubuntu issue
[01:30] <Razor-X> cs378: sudo apt-get install gaim
[01:30] <IIIEars> *manage
[01:30] <Razor-X> apokryphos: so if it's E related?
[01:30] <elsha> mmmm lucasarts
[01:30] <Razor-X> ratpoison related?
[01:31] <apokryphos> Razor-X: then that's here, obviously.
[01:31] <Razor-X> eth42: mmmm, Beyond a Steel Sky kicks ass
[01:31] <xeiro> cant believe xmms does not come with ubuntu by defaul
[01:31] <russ_> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1,
[01:31] <zone17> Hi, I have just gotten a Nokia c020 wlan card for my laptop, and I am trying to make it work. I have downloaded the driver linux-wlan.ng, what else do I need? I can't find any usefull information.
[01:31] <apokryphos> Razor-X: an E channel doesn't exist
[01:31] <deprave[tm] > sorry for repeat, but has anyone experienced freeze-ups during installation at the point where primary installation repository is being set up?
[01:31] <xeiro> default
[01:31] <IIIEars> !games
[01:31] <ubotu> methinks games is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5153
[01:31] <Razor-X> apokryphos: exactly ;)
[01:31] <djwoodsu> Razor-X: can you help me
[01:31] <Kovecses> cedega you have to pay for right?
[01:31] <russ_>  In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[01:31] <russ_>        dmesg | tail  or so
[01:31] <Razor-X> I don't think Kubuntu and Ubuntu should be seperated, IMO
[01:31] <Razor-X> djwoodsu: what's the problem?
[01:31] <IIIEars> !cedega
[01:31] <ubotu> cedega is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega
[01:31] <apokryphos> Razor-X: your point is ruined considering there *is* a #kubuntu channel...
[01:31] <eth42> Razor-X: didn't really try it....
[01:31] <cs378> Razor-X: haha, wow, apt-get install gaim works lol, now y didnt i try that
[01:31] <apokryphos> Razor-X: and an active one at that
[01:31] <Razor-X> Kovecses: I _heard_ (not 100% sure) that you can compile the CVS and try it for free
[01:31] <Razor-X> apokryphos: where no-one ever helps?
[01:31] <Razor-X> active?
[01:31] <apokryphos> Razor-X: that's rubbish
[01:31] <djwoodsu> Razor-X: i want to install a theme on my computer
[01:31] <Razor-X> hah
[01:32] <Razor-X> it's active about 1/4 of the time
[01:32] <eth42>  Razor-X: they should; there enough mixed distros out there, we need a proper Gnome distro
[01:32] <Razor-X> djwoodsu: you know the websites?
[01:32] <Razor-X> eth42: I think we need an E distro
[01:32] <Kovecses> i like gnome
[01:32] <eth42> djwoodsu: what theme
[01:32] <Kovecses> and xfce
[01:32] <eth42> Razor-X: E like Enlightenment?
[01:32] <apokryphos> Razor-X: err... you're cutting your own ground here. Clearly this channel is pretty darn active *now*... hence I'm telling him to go in the other channel which is quieter, and where the issue actually belongs
[01:32] <Razor-X> yes XFce too
[01:32] <Razor-X> eth42: yeahp
[01:32] <russ_> funkyhat so i cant get hdb1 to mount it is an extended partition
[01:32] <eth42> Razor-X: mhhh, freaks
[01:32] <apokryphos> Razor-X: for questions it's irrelevant how many people are talking as you enter, evidently.
[01:33] <xeiro> why is 5.04 called Hoary ?
[01:33] <xeiro> heh heh
[01:33] <djwoodsu> eth42: Chaotic
[01:33] <funkyHat> russ_, do you mean it's a logical volume inside an extended partition?
[01:33] <apokryphos> xeiro: just the name;
[01:33] <crimsun> xeiro: april 2005
[01:33] <holycow> *hmmm*
[01:33] <holycow> i'm going to haveto test out ubuntu some more
[01:33] <Razor-X> the whole #kubuntu thing is like, every wm question belongs here *except* KDE
[01:33] <russ_> i guess
[01:33] <apokryphos> xeiro: anything that Mark can come up with :P
[01:33] <funkyHat> russ_, or have you just created an extended partition?
[01:33] <Razor-X> like I said, you people have a Kubuntu question, ask me
[01:33] <Sado-Mazo> www.inferno.tinklapiai.lt/font.png why letter "k" are so "bad" :)
[01:33] <holycow> it has a hard time dealing with different hardware when  your taking an hd around
[01:33] <IIIEars> ubotu games is also http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Loki_Installers_for_Linux_Gamers.
[01:33] <ubotu> IIIEars: okay
[01:33] <apokryphos> Razor-X: you're not making sense here.
[01:33] <xeiro> kinda sounds like WHOREY
[01:33] <holycow> my last set of sarge hd's you could plug in anywhere and go
[01:33] <russ_> W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[01:33] <zone17> Hi, I have just gotten a Nokia c020 wlan card for my laptop, and I am trying to make it work. I have downloaded the driver linux-wlan.ng, what else do I need? I can't find any usefull information.
[01:34] <apokryphos> Razor-X: why shouldn't it be like that? The others aren't officially developed or maintained
[01:34] <apokryphos> Razor-X: does enlightenment/fluxbox stuff go into MAIN?
[01:34] <Razor-X> because the amount of Kubuntu users are much less
[01:34] <eth42> xeiro: hehe
[01:34] <holycow> uber_newber, sorry i can't answer your questions, i'm tied up, i'm hoping that by posting in here someone else can pick up where i left off
[01:34] <Razor-X> and so, a lot of the time, the channel sits idle
[01:34] <funkyHat> russ_, does the line exactly match the one for /dev/hda1 apart from the first two sections?
[01:34] <Razor-X> elsha: after a while, you end up riding the arguments for that ;)
[01:34] <apokryphos> Razor-X: exactly.. and it would be ten times mroe ideal if everyone had the idea you're proposing here
[01:34] <crimsun> Razor-X: / apokryphos: sliding into #-offtopic territory
[01:34] <funkyHat> russ_, *in fstab
[01:34] <Razor-X> crimsun: true
[01:35] <uber_newber> holycow: thats fine, Kovecses is helping me right now  ;)
[01:35] <holycow> cool :)
[01:35] <xeiro> uber newber eh ... nice name
[01:35] <elsha> man, i hope this works
[01:35] <holycow> right on Kovecses
[01:35] <xeiro> holy moly :)
[01:35] <Razor-X> elsha: I can help with partitioning problems
[01:35] <l-i-l> Does anyone know how to get passed the register globals off in php.ini to use egroupware?
[01:35] <eth42> though it should be ber
[01:35] <holycow> Razor-X, interesting point
[01:35] <xeiro> crazy names u guys have
[01:35] <holycow> mr. xeiro
[01:35] <xeiro> hahahahhahaha
[01:35] <eth42> h
[01:36] <Razor-X> xeiro: speak for yourself, heh
[01:36] <mpmc> how so I add a service to the start up?
[01:36] <zone17> nobody on #ubuntu using wireless lan?
[01:36] <GammaRay> I have the minimal install on a 266 box. I added X and icewm and some others. Everything is working pretty well but I just can't get good font rendering for the MS fonts. I have enabled the bytecode interperter via dpkg-reconfigure and even recompiled freetype2 (uncommenting the right #define) but nothing works.
[01:36] <holycow> xeiro, anything to entertain you guys :)
[01:36] <elsha> Razor-X, thanks... i'll keep that in mind if this stuffs up
[01:36] <stetyR> hello
[01:36] <crimsun> mpmc: man update-rc.d
[01:36] <Razor-X> i've had this name for about 4 years now, around the same time I got into Linux
[01:36] <xeiro> Razor-X: ... thats a cool handle
[01:36] <apokryphos> crimsun: it's goiing to be a little difficult if there's going to be people in the channel telling others to *not* join #kubuntu
[01:36] <AndyR> zone17, yes
[01:36] <Razor-X> elsha: no problem, same with GRUB errors
[01:36] <popey> zone17: yes
[01:36] <xeiro> Gellette :
[01:36] <Razor-X> xeiro: heh, thanks
[01:36] <AndyR> hey popey :)
[01:36] <popey> zone17: a nice card that just works (tm)
[01:36] <Razor-X> (if it was meant for me)
[01:36] <popey> lo AndyR
[01:36] <russ_> /dev/hda1	/mnt/Drive1	vfat	defaults	0	0
[01:36] <russ_> /dev/hdb1	/mnt/Drive2	vfat	defaults	0	0
[01:36] <Razor-X> if not, bleh!
[01:36] <zone17> AndyR, popey, what is needed besides the driver linux-wlan?
[01:36] <xeiro> lol
[01:36] <popey> the readme?
[01:36] <Octane> hey guys, when breezy comes out, how will one go about upgrading?
[01:36] <zone17> popey, which?
[01:37] <crimsun> apokryphos: frankly it's fine whether both exist, since you can help out in both. Again, though, the relevance of each's existence is better discussed in #-offtopic. :)
[01:37] <AndyR> zone17, what card?
[01:37] <Razor-X> Octane: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:37] <zone17> AnyR, nokia c020
[01:37] <popey> Octane: edit /etc/apt/source.list then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:37] <Octane> Razor-X: that easy?
[01:37] <Octane> wow nice
[01:37] <Razor-X> and you change the sources to their Breezy equivalents in sources.list, if i'm not mistaken
[01:37] <zone17> AndyR, sorry nokia c020
[01:37] <Razor-X> simple azzat ;)
[01:37] <zone17> popey, which readme?
[01:37] <xeiro> say ... can deleted files be undeleted :) ?
[01:37] <apokryphos> crimsun: it's hard to argue by yourself :), as in, if they don't wanna enter there.
[01:37] <crimsun> apokryphos: I guess that settles that, eh? :)
[01:37] <eth42> xeiro: h
[01:38] <Razor-X> xeiro: depends on how much writing has occured on the drive since you deleted the file(s)
[01:38] <xeiro> is that a no?
[01:38] <popey> zone17: I am merely suggesting that there may be some documentation with the linux-wlan stuff...
[01:38] <eth42> xeiro: was that a smiley?
[01:38] <Razor-X> writing/using
[01:38] <popey> you don't hint htat you've read that, just that you've downloaded it
[01:38] <xeiro> Razor-X: what if u wanna undelete it as soon as u make ur mistake
[01:38] <sorush20> anyone here know how to install KDAR
[01:38] <Razor-X> xeiro: quite possible
[01:38] <zone17> popey, I did read that :-)
[01:38] <apokryphos> crimsun: no, that's the point :). I'm obviously not really going to be silent when someone's telling others to *not* join that channel :|   ...so it'll just get raised again, oh well. ;-)
[01:38] <popey> so what else have you done then?
[01:38] <Razor-X> xeiro: but, just being on the IRC channel is decreasing your chances ;)
[01:38] <|Elite|> hello all
[01:38] <xeiro> eth42: yeah I think so :)
[01:38] <AndyR> zone17, all i have is orinoco                42828  1 orinoco_cs
[01:38] <AndyR> hermes                  8448  2 orinoco_cs,orinoco
[01:38] <AndyR> pcmcia                 22244  5 orinoco_cs
[01:39] <zone17> popey, installed the drivers
[01:39] <xeiro> hehehheh ... actually am in windoze now :)
[01:39] <|Elite|> can anyone here tell me how to install unbuntu to the hdd ?
[01:39] <eth42> can I delete something that has been undeleted?
[01:39] <|Elite|> of the live cd
[01:39] <xeiro> until I get my ubuntu network card up :(
[01:39] <Razor-X> xeiro: ewwww!
[01:39] <zone17> popey, but I am unsure wether the kernel needs any setup
[01:39] <eth42> xeiro: what's the problem with the card
[01:39] <Razor-X> Windows so hampers my productivity ;)
[01:39] <xeiro> eth42: delete something that has been undeleted .. lol
[01:39] <Razor-X> thank god for emacs and Eshell
[01:40] <elsha> eww emacs
[01:40] <xeiro> eth42: I do a lspci .. and it shows up there .. its on a dhcp network .. but it wont pic up an ip
[01:40] <elsha> emacs hamper my productivity
[01:40] <elsha> :P
[01:40] <eth42> Razor-X: this was a bit to much
[01:40] <AndyR> cant you modprobe the module??
[01:40] <Razor-X> elsha: ``To Each His Own'' (and i'm quoting, so I don't change gender ;)
[01:40] <holycow> *flamewar!!!!*
[01:40] <eth42> xeiro: what has lspci to do with it?
[01:40] <xeiro> Razor-X: what OS do they give u at ur workplace?
[01:40] <GammaRay> Razor-X: who are you quoting?
[01:40] <Razor-X> eth42: you mean the mixture of god and emacs should be considered blasphemious?
[01:40] <Razor-X> xeiro: i'm 15
[01:41] <Razor-X> GammaRay: not sure who the original quotesmith was, to be honest
[01:41] <eth42> Razor-X: you should be burned
[01:41] <xeiro> Razor-X: man o man ... lol
[01:41] <Razor-X> xeiro: plus, if all goes well, I work as a professor
[01:41] <xeiro> Razor-X: they may stuff windows on u when u start to work :)
[01:41] <xeiro> a professor
[01:41] <xeiro> eck
[01:41] <Razor-X> ;)
[01:41] <Razor-X> i'm a stiff, ok, heh
[01:41] <Razor-X> only I burn effigies of people I don't like
[01:41] <eth42> xeiro: should you use ifup??
[01:41] <gometro33> xeiro: that's what knoppix is for
[01:41] <Razor-X> and other stuff that doesen't belong in my chanacter
[01:42] <holycow> good on ya if your actually that age
[01:42] <elsha> hehe, 15
[01:42] <xeiro> eth42: I just wanted to see if the card was being picked up by ubuntu at all
[01:42] <holycow> and familiar with open source
[01:42] <Razor-X> holycow: I'll have to give Seveas my Photo ID so he can sign me into the strong set
[01:42] <eth42> xeiro: ok but that will be before any DHCP stuff, or do I misunderstand you?
[01:42] <Razor-X> so, based on admission into that, I can thenceforth say that ``I'm 15, really''
[01:42] <xeiro> eth42: I did an ifup eth0 and it was telling me something about device not found ... or no such device
[01:42] <grover> what pkg provides libiberty? anyone happen to know? can't find it in synaptic
[01:43] <Razor-X> xeiro: what's the output of sudo lspci -v ? (in pastebin)
[01:43] <crimsun> grover: use packages.ubuntu.com
[01:43] <Octane> anyone know why is it that in order to install the packages "libapr0-dev libdb4.2-dev libsvn0-dev" i need to remove "libdb3-dev libgal-dev libgdk-pixbuf-gnome-dev libglade-gnome0-dev libgnome-dev libgnomeprint-dev libgtkhtml-dev"
[01:43] <GammaRay> grover: try apt-file
[01:43] <eth42> is there a line for eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces?
[01:43] <xeiro> Razor-X: eck .. hold on let me see if I can get that info to u ... have to gonna  walk about 10 feet
[01:43] <xeiro> eck
[01:44] <Razor-X> and I ask again, what's the command to change the default escape character in screen, in your .screenrc ?
[01:44] <elsha> if you find one Kovecses, i'd like one too
[01:44] <Kovecses> elsha, ok
[01:44] <elsha> bottle shops aren't open at 7:45am :(
[01:45] <Razor-X> it's about 4:45 PM here ;)
[01:45] <HrdwrBoB> yes they are
[01:45] <eth42> xeiro: is there a line for eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces?
[01:45] <HrdwrBoB> we have some 24hr bottleshops
[01:45] <Razor-X> oh, and I have to submit something to the bugs too
[01:45] <Razor-X> the Ubuntu ntp serves are off by 2 seconds
[01:45] <elsha> well, they aren't where I live. we have laws so that they can't cater for the alcoholics
[01:45] <Razor-X> and that's infuriating!
[01:45] <GammaRay> Razor-X: I trust you've tried man screen
[01:45] <eth42> xeiro: and why not just have a look at the fine Ubuntu Device Manager?
[01:45] <Razor-X> GammaRay: yeah, I have
[01:45] <Razor-X> and it's not very descriptive
[01:45] <Razor-X> with the .screenrc rather
[01:46] <xeiro> Razor-X: the output of lspci -v ... is gonna be stuck on that machine :) ... since its not networked ... and too much to write off :
[01:46] <Razor-X> xeiro: hahaha, ok ;)
[01:46] <Kovecses> how many here are from the U.S.?
[01:46] <Razor-X> errr
[01:46] <xeiro> eth42: checking that /etc/network/interefaces .....
[01:46] <Razor-X> wow, I found out! ;)
[01:46] <Razor-X> nevermind
[01:46] <Razor-X> Kovecses: me
[01:46] <Kovecses> me too
[01:47] <eth42> Good Old Europe speaking, hehehe
[01:47] <Kovecses> Razor-X, what part/
[01:47] <elsha> omg it's booted up :):)
[01:47] <Razor-X> elsha: heh
[01:47] <josiah_> Hello all
[01:47] <Razor-X> Kovecses: Silicon Valley, USA
[01:47] <eth42> hi
[01:47] <xzyt> anyone know what daemon i need to use to get a telnet session working to my box?
[01:47] <IIIEars> Hi josiah_
[01:47] <Razor-X> xzyt: telnetd, if i'm not mistaken
[01:47] <HrdwrBoB> xzyt: why do you want telnet
[01:48] <xzyt> lol
[01:48] <eth42> xzyt: wouldn't use telnet but an ssh server
[01:48] <HrdwrBoB> xzyt: it's extremely not recommended
[01:48] <xzyt> for a windows computer at my work to let me login remotly at home
[01:48] <Razor-X> yeah, ssh is much better than telnet
[01:48] <josiah_> I'm wondering if anybody knows how to save the current state of my networking (in the networking Administration panel) so that next time I boot, my networking works the way it did last time
[01:48] <HrdwrBoB> xzyt: yeah, use ssh
[01:48] <Razor-X> xzyt: telnet is horribly insecure
[01:48] <eth42> xzyt: there are also ssh clients for windoze
[01:48] <HrdwrBoB> xzyt: with putty
[01:48] <josiah_> Just use an SSH client like putty
[01:48] <IIIEars> telnet sends passwords in clear text (un encrypted)
[01:48] <xzyt> yeah i use putty
[01:48] <Razor-X> Putty is incredibly for SSH
[01:48] <xeiro> eth42: only line with eth0 in that file is one that says "map eth0"
[01:48] <josiah_> and openssh-server is the package for ubuntu
[01:48] <Razor-X> IIIEars: yeah, as does IRC, if i'm not mistaken ;)
[01:48] <xzyt> openssh-server ok
[01:48] <HrdwrBoB> IIIEars: it sends EVERYTHING in clear text
[01:48] <IIIEars> openssh - is amazingly powerful.
[01:49] <eth42> xeiro: mhh, yeah, thats the same with me, and below something with script grep, or so...
[01:49] <LasseL> is mod_perl default on in ubuntu's apache2 package?
[01:49] <xeiro> nope .. nothing below
[01:49] <IIIEars> Really? - sounds like fun - for the hacker - lol
[01:49] <Razor-X> IIIEars: you didn't know that?
[01:49] <xeiro> but above is something about hotplugable
[01:49] <Razor-X> same reason you can use a telnet session to IRC
[01:49] <eth42> xeiro: wait, and there is the line iface eth0 inet dhcp
[01:49] <josiah_> Nobody knows about saving the state of networking? I mean, I could go look through the scripts.... but I don't want to :)
[01:49] <xzyt> i see
[01:49] <IIIEars> been using openssh - skipped the telnet era entirely
[01:49] <xzyt> openssh it is
[01:49] <Razor-X> all your IRC client is, is a way to streamline the sending and receiving of raw IRC text
[01:49] <xeiro> nope .. but there is an iface lo :)
[01:49] <Razor-X> IIIEars: so did I, after all
[01:49] <xzyt> any way to get windows to display x?
[01:50] <josiah_> Yeah, shouldn't that line get changed by the Networking control panel? I would think.....
[01:50] <Razor-X> I just no my networking history ;)
[01:50] <xzyt> or vise versa... see windows on linux? a remoted desktop that doesn't require XPpro?
[01:50] <josiah_> Yeah, you can get Windows to display X - you just have to get an X server for windows. There are a bunch of commercial ones, and probably some free ones too
[01:50] <Razor-X> josiah_: where from you hail?
[01:50] <mrd`> You can telnet to a SMTP, HTTP, or IMAP server too.
[01:50] <eth42> xeiro: put it there, that's it (probably)
[01:50] <mrd`> Or any text based protocol.
[01:50] <eth42> xeiro: (not really knowing what I'm talking about)
[01:50] <xzyt> i tried cygwin...but it sux
[01:50] <Razor-X> xzyt: if you want to see the GUI, try VLC tunneled through an SSH session
[01:50] <xeiro> eth42: put it where ... at the bottom?
[01:50] <josiah_> use VNC!! cross-platform
[01:50] <Razor-X> mrd`: exactly
[01:50] <Razor-X> s/VLC/VNC/
[01:50] <HrdwrBoB> Razor-X: or don't
[01:50] <HrdwrBoB> VNC is terrible
[01:51] <eth42> xeiro: yes, whereever
[01:51] <xzyt> so is the a VNC client for windows?
[01:51] <xeiro> aaahhh the joys of linux ... trial and error ...lol
[01:51] <HrdwrBoB> better off using NX
[01:51] <Razor-X> HrdwrBoB: TightVNC isn't bad at all, IMO
[01:51] <eth42> xeiro: not between those mapping lines, though
[01:51] <josiah_> Yes, there is a VNC client for Windows
[01:51] <josiah_> many free ones
[01:51] <Razor-X> or yeah, FreeNX isn't that bad either
[01:51] <xzyt> ok im confused...
[01:51] <HrdwrBoB> Razor-X: no, VNCC is inherently the suck
[01:51] <josiah_> Just do a google search for vnc
[01:51] <adam_> Anybody know how to restore ubuntu 5.04 default settings?
[01:51] <HrdwrBoB> Razor-X: because of the way it work
[01:51] <HrdwrBoB> s
[01:51] <Razor-X> xzyt: try FreeNX
[01:51] <Razor-X> HrdwrBoB: true that
[01:51] <eth42>  josiah_: and there are X servers for Windows
[01:51] <LasseL> still there is charm in opening a single app from your linux box, rather than an entire remote desktop
[01:51] <josiah_> Well, it uses a lot of bandwidth, it is true
[01:51] <Razor-X> isn't FreeNX a bit odd to setup, though?
[01:51] <HrdwrBoB> josiah_: and it's therefore slow
[01:51] <mrd`> You can enable compression in ssh.
[01:51] <josiah_> Yes, I use X forwarding
[01:51] <HrdwrBoB> Razor-X: yeah it's a bitch
[01:51] <eth42> X + ssh for windows = perfect
[01:51] <josiah_> Becaus eit's faster
[01:52] <xzyt> freenx ok... thats a windows client? ok
[01:52] <HrdwrBoB> X + compression > VNC
[01:52] <josiah_> :) yes, I agree
[01:52] <Razor-X> oh yeah, that's better!
[01:52] <HrdwrBoB> freenx > X + compression
[01:52] <Razor-X> use XDMCP tunneled through an SSH session
[01:52] <HrdwrBoB> apart from being fruity
[01:52] <Razor-X> and get the Cygwin X client
[01:52] <xzyt> XDMCP ??
[01:52] <Razor-X> and connect
[01:52] <xzyt> ok im lost
[01:52] <josiah_> Huh... so hasn't anybody else noticed that it's really annoying that the networking "control panel" doesn't save it's state?
[01:52] <Razor-X> the protocol that lets you connect to an X session remotely
[01:52] <josiah_> delete that '
[01:52] <josiah_> :)
[01:52] <Razor-X> highly insecure... unless tunneled through an SSH session
[01:53] <eth42> xeiro: and? got network?
[01:53] <xzyt> ok... so... use cygwin on my windows pc
[01:53] <Gnobody> does X work in breezy yet???????????????????????????
[01:53] <xzyt> and use FreeNX on this ubuntu box?
[01:53] <Razor-X> Gnobody: remove the ``?''s and we may tell you
[01:53] <Kovecses> what is FreeNX
[01:53] <Gnobody> ok
[01:53] <chaps0063> hello all...
[01:53] <Razor-X> xzyt: FreeNX is a bitch to install, I hear
[01:53] <chaps0063> !info samba
[01:53] <Gnobody> does x work in breezy?
[01:53] <ubotu> samba: (a LanManager-like file and printer server for Unix), section net, is optional. Version: 3.0.10-1ubuntu3 (hoary), Packaged size: 2300 kB, Installed size: 5956 kB
[01:53] <eth42> xzyt: there is no such thing as a windows pc
[01:54] <jmanns> does anyone have drivers for a lexmark z515 or know how to make it work with ubuntu 5.04?
[01:54] <HrdwrBoB> don't bother with freenx, it's a bitch
[01:54] <Gnobody> It's a Wintel boxxen
[01:54] <Razor-X> so, install the X/Cygwin client in Windows
[01:54] <mrd`> eth42: A PC running Windows.
[01:54] <HrdwrBoB> jmanns: I had a lexmark
[01:54] <Razor-X> forward your X session using XDMCP
[01:54] <Razor-X> and tunnel it through an SSH session
[01:54] <eth42> mrd`: ah! ok
[01:54] <HrdwrBoB> jmanns: I threw it away
[01:54] <|QuaD-> Gnobody: i am having trouble with xlibs currently
[01:54] <eth42> :-)
[01:54] <chaps0063> has anyone used samba and had user authentication per different shares?
[01:54] <HrdwrBoB> and  got a new printer
[01:54] <josiah_> eth42: that's not a useful statement. There are computers that have Windows installed on them
[01:54] <Sado-Mazo> ate
[01:54] <Razor-X> josiah_: and a bunch of them distribute viruses freely ;)
[01:54] <Gnobody> When do you guys estimate Colony 3 will be released?
[01:54] <jmanns> HrdwrBoB:  are you saying it doesn't work?
[01:54] <eth42>  josiah_: so my notebook is an Hoary Hedgehog notebook then
[01:54] <Razor-X> Gnobody: #ubuntu-offtopic ;)
[01:55] <HrdwrBoB> jmanns: there was a driver to make it work
[01:55] <adam_> COuld somone please tell me how to restore ubuntu 5.04 default settings?
[01:55] <mrd`> josiah_: Sure.
[01:55] <HrdwrBoB> jmanns: but it didn't, and it was a shitty printer in any case
[01:55] <Razor-X> the CUPS drivers for my Epsion C66 are slow
[01:55] <Razor-X> and LPR cuts off the margins randomly
[01:55] <HrdwrBoB> haha
[01:55] <Razor-X> does LPR default to A4 ?
[01:55] <HrdwrBoB> I have a samsung ML1740
[01:56] <GammaRay> Razor-X: for screen see -e in man screen
[01:56] <HrdwrBoB> b/w laser, $190AU
[01:56] <Razor-X> GammaRay: I already found it, thanks though
[01:56] <flipy> how can I mount a fat32 partition to let everyone read/write access?
[01:56] <Razor-X> HrdwrBoB: we payed about $60 USD for this ;)
[01:56] <Razor-X> because my sister broke our previous printer ;)
[01:56] <LasseL> xzyt, go with the VNC first, it is very easy to set up
[01:56] <HrdwrBoB> Razor-X: yeah but it's some colour monstrosity with hideously expensive cartridges right?
[01:56] <josiah_> Well, if nobody knows how to make the Networking "control panel" save it's state, I'll go manually edit /etc/network/interfaces to my most common settings and deal.
[01:57] <adam_> It's me again
[01:57] <HrdwrBoB> if I want colour, I go to the print shop
[01:57] <xzyt> if only i knew how to setup vnc
[01:57] <xzyt> lol
[01:57] <HrdwrBoB> josiah_: it should save
[01:57] <Razor-X> HrdwrBoB: the latter isn't true, the former is though ;)
[01:57] <HrdwrBoB> but er .. yeah
[01:57] <eth42> flipy: just mounting it doesn't give r/w access for all?
[01:57] <LasseL> xzyt, that is easy if you google for it :)
[01:57] <Razor-X> eth42: Ubuntu doesen't do that here either, oddly enough
[01:57] <xzyt> ok i'll just apt-get it and install it and then look it up in google
[01:57] <eth42> josiah_: what do you mean with most common settings?
[01:58] <Razor-X> xzyt: get specifically TightVNC
[01:58] <Razor-X> elsewise, it's going to be shitty
[01:58] <Kovecses> you guys hear of this XPDE crap
[01:58] <xzyt> TightVNC ok
[01:58] <Razor-X> and if you use it on your Windows regularly, then install the TightVNC graphics driver in Windows
[01:58] <Razor-X> so you can view your Windows easily
[01:58] <eth42> Razor-X: then there is probably some restricting line in /etc/fstab, no?
[01:58] <xzyt> i will be using it regularly
[01:58] <Razor-X> eth42: i'ld think so
[01:58] <xzyt> :)
[01:58] <LasseL> xzyt, http://ubuntuguide.org/#remotedesktop
[01:58] <Razor-X> xzyt: then there you are
[01:58] <xzyt> :) thanks
[01:58] <xzyt> both of ya'll
[02:00] <Kovecses> hopefully that fixes uber's resolution problem
[02:00] <Kovecses> lets pray
[02:01] <elsha> hehe
[02:01] <joy> Care For Sexy Chat?
[02:01] <holycow> all he needed horiz and vert refresh rates correct?
[02:01] <elsha> a bit of hoary chat joy, har har har
[02:01] <josiah_> Sexy? Wrong chanel :0
[02:02] <Kovecses> holycow, his pc is very old and couldn't support anything higher than 600*800 so i told his how to use 16 bit and get bigger resolution
[02:02] <holycow> oh!
[02:02] <holycow> neato
[02:02] <holycow> nice work
[02:02] <Kovecses> i think
[02:02] <Kovecses> i could  have just broke his whole system
[02:02] <Kovecses> lol
[02:02] <Kovecses> i hope not
[02:02] <jedix> hey, can someone help me with playback of a dvd?
[02:03] <Kovecses> jedix, libdvdcss
[02:03] <Kovecses> jedix, u need it
[02:03] <josiah_> I always use mplayer
[02:03] <josiah_> it appears to be available in universe
[02:03] <Kovecses> ut oh uber isnt back yet..............
[02:03] <jedix> Kovecses: I have it
[02:04] <xzyt> if i use vnc view for windows.... what port is that? 23? 22? or 21?
[02:04] <LasseL> i always use VLC. i hate the interface but it plays everything i can throw at it
[02:04] <Kovecses> vlc is good
[02:04] <xzyt> vnc-viewer... what port is vnc using?
[02:04] <jedix> I have a problem with audio, I can't get my ac3 passthrough to go
[02:04] <holycow> speaking of vlc, i will haveto try and play casino dvd on it now that you remind me
[02:04] <Kovecses> how can I remove totem without removing the whole ubuntu-desktop
[02:05] <holycow> totem craps out on the decss part
[02:05] <LasseL> xzyt, google first, ask later :)
[02:05] <holycow> Kovecses, ubuntu-desktop is a meta package
[02:05] <holycow> if you remove totem, it has to remove that because totem is part of it
[02:05] <Kovecses> yeah but it wont let me remove just totem
[02:05] <Chris> Hey, someone, I'm an Ubuntu newbie and I need some help...I can't login to Ubuntu because it says "I don't have enough disk space, or it can't write to /home."
[02:05] <Kovecses> holycow, so im screwed
[02:05] <holycow> as long as you don't have a list of 3000 applications that it wants to remove, and just ubuntu-desktop your fine
[02:06] <holycow> no yoru fine
[02:06] <holycow> just remove the metapackage, it doesnt affect anything
[02:06] <Kovecses> so removing ubuntu-desktop wont do damage?
[02:06] <zxmpulse> hi
[02:06] <zxmpulse> can you explame me how to make a sript for starting giftd giFTcurs in  the same command
[02:06] <holycow> its just a way of grouping a bunch of apps together in one install
[02:06] <LasseL> I thought it was recommended to keep it for upgrading purposes
[02:06] <holycow> Kovecses, yes
[02:06] <Kovecses> i feel bad uber is not back yet
[02:07] <eth42> Kovecses: why?
[02:07] <levander> Is the version of firefox in the ubuntu repositories okay yet?
[02:07] <Kovecses> eth42, i  think i broke his computer
[02:07] <eth42> Kovecses: mkfs /dev/hda?
[02:07] <Hergiswi> Help, I have AIDS
[02:07] <elsha> lol
[02:07] <shadeofgrey> hey guys
[02:07] <eth42> Kovecses: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda?
[02:07] <zxmpulse> please help me
[02:07] <levander> Hergiswi: why are there so many sex related trolls on freenode today?
[02:08] <shadeofgrey> cheer loud for me - i finally killed windows with an icepick
[02:08] <Hergiswi> I don't know, but I needed to get someone's attention.
[02:08] <Kovecses> eth42, he expected me to know everything he didnt even know what kind of mous he had
[02:08] <eth42> zxmpulse: depends
[02:08] <shadeofgrey> my only os is now ubuntu
[02:08] <Kovecses> Hergiswi, whats up
[02:08] <eth42> Kovecses: hehe
[02:08] <zxmpulse> eth42 depens on what??
[02:08] <eth42> shadeofgrey: fine man
[02:08] <Hergiswi> Hey, someone, I'm an Ubuntu newbie and I need some help...I can't login to Ubuntu because it says "I don't have enough disk space, or it can't write to /home."
[02:08] <eth42> zxmpulse: your problem
[02:08] <jazzgossen> hi, I just installed Ubuntu 5.04, but whatever I do I keep getting thrown back to the login screen every 60 seconds or so. Anyone recognize that?
[02:08] <zxmpulse> can you explame me how to make a sript for starting giftd giFTcurs in  the same command
[02:08] <shadeofgrey> where is beep media player located as far as repositories?
[02:08] <shadeofgrey> universe?
[02:08] <eth42> shadeofgrey: s/man/(wo)?man/
[02:08] <jazzgossen> Hergiswi: how much space have you got?
[02:09] <levander> Hergiswi: tried booting into single user mode?
[02:09] <jedix> ugg
[02:09] <Hergiswi> jazzgossen: I'm not sure how I can find out
[02:09] <Hergiswi> levander: what's that?
[02:09] <levander> Hergiswi: you might need a rescue disk to get more space for home somehow
[02:09] <zxmpulse> eth42 sorry for me enlish
[02:09] <shadeofgrey> and is there something BETTER than beep? bearing in mind that i feel xmms is a disgrace
[02:09] <jedix> playback of normal files works fine, but when I try to open a dvd, mplayer catches a signal 11
[02:09] <LasseL> Hergiswi, try pressing ctrl+alt+F2 and login to the prompt
[02:09] <eth42> zxmpulse: a script for executing program "giftd" with parameter "giFTcurs", or what?
[02:09] <shadeofgrey> man... adding that 2gig of ram really helped
[02:09] <levander> Hergiswi: have you logged into your machine in the past? Just put something out there that's to big, or is this new install?
[02:09] <LasseL> Hergiswi, use ctrl+alt+F7 to get back to the graphical mode
[02:10] <zxmpulse> a script for starting giftd and after gi!
[02:10] <Hergiswi> I just upgraded with sudo apt-get
[02:10] <jedix> anyone?
[02:10] <shadeofgrey> last time i was running this i only had one...  and it was great - but 3, and everything flies
[02:10] <zxmpulse> a script for starting giftd and after giFtcurs
[02:10] <Hergiswi> so I should use ctrl+alt+f2?
[02:10] <eth42> zxmpulse: giftd && gi
[02:10] <Last_in_Line> Can someone pls help me with my php.ini problem?
[02:10] <eth42> zxmpulse: this would be a command
[02:10] <LasseL> Hergiswi, maybe you can login using a commandline prompt ?
[02:10] <shadeofgrey> does sudo apt-get upgrade actually upgrade the whole OS to breezy?
[02:10] <Razor-X> ``Our OS is more secure because we get hacked more''
[02:10] <LasseL> i dunno
[02:10] <levander> Hergiswi: try the other people's suggestions, you gotta get logged in somehow to fix
[02:10] <Razor-X> name that quoter ;)
[02:11] <zxmpulse> but how can i made a command to that for me
[02:11] <levander> shadeofgrey: yes, you gotta do a dist-upgrade and change sources.list first though
[02:11] <eth42> zxmpulse: for a script, write it to a file, #!/bin/bash in the first line, chmod a+x file; done
[02:11] <xzyt> ok well that was fun...i ran vncviewer on my local...and i got a cascade of video screens LOL
[02:11] <zxmpulse> thanks eth42
[02:11] <Razor-X> xzyt: hah, the infinite thing? ;)
[02:11] <shadeofgrey> but breezy is unstable isnt it?
[02:11] <Razor-X> that's kickass ;)
[02:11] <xzyt> yes razor
[02:11] <xzyt> now i need to figure out how to make it smaller
[02:11] <xzyt> and not fill my 42" screen
[02:11] <Razor-X> xzyt: teh --geometry flag
[02:11] <levander> shadeofgrey: yes, it's for people who want to test, or just people who gotta have the latest and greatest and don't mind a few problems
[02:11] <xzyt> gave me a migrane
[02:12] <Razor-X> s/teh/the/
[02:12] <Hergiswi> thanks
[02:12] <Hergiswi> I'll try that
[02:12] <levander> nobody knows if the current version of firefox in the ubuntu repos still has problems do they?
[02:12] <shadeofgrey> i mind problems.  if i just allowed hoary in my sources.list its okay to update all my packages thru the automated tool right?  it wont touch breezy stuff without being enabled in sources.list.. correct?
[02:13] <Last_in_Line> Does anyone know how to get root access in Ubuntu?
[02:13] <jedix> jesus
[02:13] <eth42> levander: problems? which?
[02:13] <Razor-X> levander: it got fixed
[02:13] <jedix> Last_in_Line: google single user mode
[02:13] <josiah_> last_in_line: sudo su -
[02:13] <Kovecses> shadeofgrey, noit  wont
[02:13] <LasseL> Last_in_Line, sudo passwd, then su -
[02:13] <Razor-X> shadeofgrey: of cource it won't
[02:13] <josiah_> Just sudo su - works fine
[02:13] <Razor-X> or, just use sudo -s
[02:13] <levander> shadeofgrey: correct.  If you were to upgrade to breezy, that is the changes you would have to make to sources.list.  You'd have to tell it to pull the updates from the breezy repositories.  Just leave them pointing at hoary, and you won't touch breezy stuff.
[02:13] <Razor-X> nobody _ever_ uses sudo -s ;)
[02:14] <jedix> anyone know how to stop mplayer from crashing on ac3 decoding?
[02:14] <Razor-X> not even deprecated, either
[02:14] <josiah_> in case anybody else cares, I removed /etc/network/interfaces, and now my "control panel" appears to manage it for me properly
[02:14] <josiah_> mplayer doesn't crash on ac3 decoding for me - never has
[02:14] <josiah_> Did you compile it from source?
[02:14] <levander> eth42: I don't know, i was in here two days ago and they were saying that the version of firefox in the repos was borked somehow
[02:14] <thespiritoftal> anyone here who knows how to write a batch file?
[02:14] <eth42> jedix: why encode with jedix?
[02:14] <Razor-X> josiah_: hah, how many people do that?
[02:14] <Kovecses> bob2, thanks for letting me talk again
[02:14] <Razor-X> !restrictedformats
[02:14] <ubotu> [restrictedformats]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[02:14] <jedix> eth42: it's a dvd
[02:14] <eth42> levander: haven't had a problem so far
[02:15] <eth42> jedix: i'd try ffmpeg first
[02:15] <Razor-X> by the way, what DLLs does that use?
[02:15] <levander> eth42: when did you update last eth42?
[02:15] <Razor-X> because that is illegal, IIRC
[02:15] <shadeofgrey> do i need to uncomment all three of the groups of lines in the sources.list to enable universe?
[02:15] <jazzgossen> nobody knows what could be wrong if I get kicked back to the login screen every 60 seconds or so?
[02:15] <Razor-X> and I want to use my own legal ones
[02:15] <eth42> levander: <cough> <cough> never
[02:15] <jedix> eth42: I'm just trying to playback my movie, and it keeps crashing on decoding the audio
[02:15] <jedix> eth42: signal 11
[02:15] <josiah_> jazzgossen: even if you reboot?
[02:15] <levander> eth42: well, no wonder, you'd have had to update in the last week or so to see the problems
[02:16] <eth42> jedix: sorry, I don't know
[02:16] <Last_in_Line> sudo passwd su won't work because I never made a root password, otherwise I would just log in as root
[02:16] <Razor-X> eth42: hah ;) I have a few updates I need to do
[02:16] <Razor-X> but, eh, I don't care
[02:16] <eth42> jedix: and Totem?
[02:16] <Razor-X> jedix: try VLC
[02:16] <jedix> VLC?
[02:16] <bob2> Last_in_Line: sudo -s
[02:16] <eth42> jedix: Totem is better :-)
[02:16] <levander> you gotta be kidding me, nobody in here knows about the firefox problems in the repos?  The other day people thought I was stupid in here cause I was the only one who hadn't heard of it yet.
[02:16] <bob2> Last_in_Line: will get you a root shell
[02:16] <eth42> Video Lan Client
[02:16] <jedix> give me a second, totem crashes too
[02:16] <Razor-X> !vlc
[02:16] <ubotu> vlc is, like, a media player with native support for a large handfull of popular formats and excellent streaming support
[02:16] <Razor-X> !info vlc
[02:16] <bob2> levander: chill out, dude
[02:16] <uber_newber> www.totse.com is a kool site
[02:16] <eth42> !!! Totem
[02:16] <ubotu> vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.1-1ubuntu7 (hoary), Packaged size: 4867 kB, Installed size: 11816 kB
[02:16] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, eth42
[02:17] <bob2> levander: if there's a bug, please report it
[02:17] <jedix> eth42: doesn't crash, sorry "don't know how to handle audio/x-ac3
[02:17] <eth42> jedix: see, it doesn't crash
[02:17] <eth42> jedix: :-))
[02:17] <eth42> jedix: too bad
[02:17] <Razor-X> jedix: use VLC, meh
[02:17] <eth42> jedix: ah, i get headache
[02:17] <levander> bob2: no, people were telling me that if I upgraded, firefox wasn't going to work.  Because ff 1.0.6 had bugs on linux, and ubuntu just released them to the public because they were concerned about the published security concerns of ff 1.0.5
[02:18] <levander> bob2: no problems, i just want to avoid downloading problems
[02:18] <eth42> vlc, vlc
[02:18] <levander> bob2: it was even in the channel topic
[02:18] <bob2> levander: I'm not sure what you're saying
[02:18] <xzyt> ok i got the vnc part to work... and found the win32 version
[02:18] <bob2> firefox 1.0.6 is in hoary-security now, tho
[02:18] <xzyt> so i guess thats all i need?
[02:19] <Razor-X> xzyt: pretty much
[02:19] <xzyt> does apache come preinstalled?
[02:19] <eth42> Burgundavia sounds like some far-off country
[02:19] <bob2> xzyt: nope
[02:19] <levander> bob2: okay, apparently, like two days ago, i was told by a few people in this channel, that the latest version of firefox in the ubuntu repositories had serious problems.  If I updated, firefox wouldn't work so good.  This information was even in the channel topic.I'm trying to figure out if these problems have gone away so that I can update my system.
[02:19] <Last_in_Line> Now how would I cange permissions to php.ini to be writable?
[02:20] <bob2> levander: hopefully they are gone
[02:20] <frank> levander: firefox has been fixed
[02:20] <eth42> Last_in_Line: sudo chmod a+w /etc/php.ini
[02:20] <holycow> levander, let me appologize for any of us that act like twits and assholes sometimes
[02:20] <bob2> Last_in_Line: er, don't do that
[02:20] <holycow> human nature and such
[02:20] <holycow> i don't know if its fixed :/
[02:20] <bob2> Last_in_Line: use sudo to edit, if you have a reason to
[02:20] <Kovecses> levander, it did....but the even newer release is fine
[02:20] <levander> frank: thanks
[02:20] <eth42> Last_in_Line: but bob2 is right, don't do it
[02:20] <levander> thanks guys
[02:20] <xzyt> anyone ever had issues running BOINC on ubuntu?
[02:20] <frank> levander: ubuntu basically broke its own rules over firefox, since they actually changed version
[02:21] <levander> okay, so in the future, where can I go to check on the status of major issues like this in the ubuntu repositories?
[02:21] <levander> frank: good for me, i wanted the latest version of FF anyway.
[02:21] <bob2> levander: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[02:21] <frank> xzyt: appart from overheating my CPU this summer, no
[02:21] <mcrofutt> While we're discussing browsers,,, Is there a JAVA pkg. besides SUN that will integrate?
[02:22] <bob2> there are no java plugins in ubuntu
[02:22] <bob2> due to sun's license
[02:22] <l-i-l> How do I use sudo to edit?
[02:22] <xzyt> well i can't seem to add my project in that program...and it just hangs...to the point of NOT allowing me to kill it
[02:22] <levander> bob2: if possible, i'd rather not have to search through a bug database to find something that's going to effect just about everybody running software that's supposed to be stable.  Ubuntu doesn't have anywhere where they headline this information?
[02:22] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/Java explains how to use make-jpkg
[02:22] <Kovecses> mcrofutt, why not use suns
[02:22] <l-i-l> I'm new to linux...
[02:22] <bob2> levander: no, it was not "just about everybody"
[02:23] <mcrofutt> I've had trouble getting it to install properly
[02:23] <levander> bob2: oh, i thought it was, who got affected?
[02:23] <holycow> l-i-l welcome and have fun
[02:23] <holycow> :)
[02:23] <Kovecses> l-i-l, you know how to get to the terminal
[02:23] <bob2> l-i-l: to edit what?
[02:23] <mcrofutt> yes I do
[02:23] <levander> l-i-l: sudo doesn't do editing
[02:23] <l-i-l> <---Last_in_Line from Ubuntu machine
[02:23] <bob2> l-i-l: sudo gedit /etc/php/php.ini
[02:23] <xzyt> frank: can you help me add my project in it...it always locks up when i try to run it
[02:24] <bob2> l-i-l: but not that file has no affect on the apache plugin
[02:24] <l-i-l> Is it the file in /etc/php4/apache?
[02:24] <elsha> time for me to sleep :) bye all
[02:24] <bob2> l-i-l: what are you trying to do?
[02:25] <frank> xzyt: are you trying to add via console or the gui? I only did it via console
[02:25] <l-i-l> I'm trying to turn globals on so e-groupware will work
[02:25] <flipy> how can I mount a fat32 partition and give read/write permissions to everyone?
[02:25] <xzyt> frank: gui , how do you add in console? i didn't see any documentations on that
[02:25] <levander> flipy: you know how to mount a partition?  just are asking about how to get the permissions you want?
[02:26] <bob2> flipy: www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:26] <frank> xzyt: try boinc --help to see the console commands
[02:26] <bob2> l-i-l: er, that's a serious security flaw
[02:26] <flipy> bob2: thanks
[02:26] <bob2> l-i-l: that would be enough to make me just not use it
[02:26] <levander> what are globals?
[02:26] <levander> oh, global permissions
[02:27] <l-i-l> When I fill out the setup page & hit done it reloads the page like it was before
[02:27] <bob2> l-i-l: if you insist, tho, then "sudo gedit  /etc/php4/apache/php.ini" in the terminal
[02:27] <levander> l-i-l: yeah, i wouldn't use it either, not just because of poor security, but that it's a sympton of poor design in general if you have to do that
[02:28] <l-i-l> Its just for lan anyway
[02:28] <levander> Kovecses: i've been digging through it occasionally.  It's a good start, but IMO, the info is often a little simplistic.
[02:28] <xzyt> frank: boinc or run_client refuse to run in command line and only if i go through x am i able to run gui...
[02:29] <levander> Hey bob2 i'm working on a backup strategy right now.  I remember you telling me you were backing up certain directories with rsync.  You can tell me which directories you decided to back up again?
[02:29] <Burgundavia> eth42, modelled after Burgundy (a region in france and a country), if you wish to know
[02:29] <xzyt> frank: i even do an updatedb ...and it says its not a valid command
[02:29] <Xyc0> what is the name of the RH boot screen project?
[02:29] <frank> xzyt: what do you mean, refuse to run? maybe they are not in your path
[02:29] <bob2> "crack"
[02:29] <josiah_> isn't that just grub splashscreens?
[02:29] <l-i-l> How do I save now?
[02:29] <eth42> Burgundavia: good wine from Burgundy
[02:29] <xzyt> frank: im in the path where the files are
[02:29] <frank> xzyt: go to the directory they are in and run ./boinc
[02:29] <russ_> hi, i am trying to umount /dev/hdb1 but it says it is busy
[02:29] <bob2> l-i-l: select save from the file menu...
[02:30] <flipy> bob2: it says something about utf8 is a bad idea because the file system will be case sensitive.
[02:30] <xzyt> ./ ok
[02:30] <bob2> russ_: then stop using it
[02:30] <Xyc0> josiah_: neg
[02:30] <bob2> flipy: do you use non-ASCII characters in filenames?
[02:30] <russ_> im not using it
[02:30] <funkyHat> bob2, as far as he can see, he's not
[02:30] <bob2> levander: ~/, /etc/ and /var/tmp/
[02:30] <levander> russ_: somebody is reading a file, or there current directory is in /dev/hdb1
[02:30] <flipy> bob2: I'm spanish
[02:30] <bob2> russ_: sudo umount -l /dev/hdb1
[02:30] <levander> bob2: why /var/tmp/?
[02:31] <bob2> levander: because I'm dumb and tend to leave things there by accident
[02:31] <levander> bob2: like you copy things manually in there sometimes?
[02:31] <Xyc0> josiah_: RHGB if you wanted to know
[02:31] <bob2> levander: yeah.  it has all my photos atm because /home is full
[02:31] <bob2> tho I'm not entirely sure why
[02:31] <russ_> ok that worked thanks bob
[02:32] <l-i-l> ahh, lol I thought I was still in console
[02:32] <flipy> bob2: I mean, I use to have spanish accents and stuff in my filenames
[02:32] <l-i-l> Cool, I'll reboot & see if that worked
[02:32] <l-i-l> thx
[02:32] <levander> bob2: a lot of people get a yahoo account and put all their photos in one of their photo albums, so they don't have to worry about backing them up
[02:33] <pdsfdsf> how do I open a folder in the terminal?
[02:34] <bob2> levander: I wouldn't have the patience for that
[02:34] <ubuntu> I would like to know how to set up a USB printer with the ubuntu live cd
[02:34] <bob2> flipy: then ignore it and hope it works, I guess
[02:34] <bob2> pdsfdsf: "open"?
[02:34] <flipy> bob2: thanks!
[02:34] <pdsfdsf> yes..
[02:35] <jedix> eth42: still there?
[02:35] <xzyt> frank: i got it to work
[02:35] <pdsfdsf> I want to see and use the files of a folder
[02:35] <eth42> jedix: yes
[02:35] <bob2> pdsfdsf: what do you mean by open?  see what's in there?
[02:35] <punkrockmcduck> hi everybody
[02:35] <jedix> eth42: my mplayer problem > http://www.jebus.ca/Linux/output.txt
[02:35] <bob2> pdsfdsf: 'cd name_of_folder', then 'ls'
[02:35] <pdsfdsf> thank you!
[02:35] <frank> xzyt: with the gui as well? are you using kde?
[02:35] <ubuntu> I would like to know how to set up a USB printer with the ubuntu live cd, please help
[02:35] <xzyt> frank: gnome
[02:35] <frank> ok
[02:35] <punkrockmcduck> i'm trying to help a friend of mine set up ubuntu to use his compuserve dialup connection, but i've never had to do that since i've always had cable
[02:36] <punkrockmcduck> what do i need to read to be able to figure it out?
[02:36] <xzyt> frank: running the command first..then the gui so see it all... so its like having 2 things running at once for 1 thing
[02:36] <frank> xzyt: I just asked because there is a frontend for boinc for kde as well
[02:36] <ubuntu> I would like to know how to set up a USB printer with the ubuntu live cd, please help
[02:36] <bob2> ubuntu: please stop it
[02:36] <ubuntu> please help
[02:36] <bob2> just be quiet and wait
[02:36] <bob2> annoying people isn't going to encourage them to help you
[02:37] <russ_> bob do you know how to change permissions in a shortcut?
[02:37] <bob2> go to "system" -> "administration" -> "printing"
[02:37] <frank> xzyt: boinc does the work, boincmgr only controls boinc although I think you should be able to start boinc with boincmgr but I'm not sure
[02:37] <bob2> russ_: you mean a symlink?
[02:37] <ubuntu> i did
[02:37] <russ_> a desktop icon? i guess so
[02:37] <ubuntu> and I went ad new printer also
[02:37] <bob2> ubuntu: so, mention that in your question
[02:37] <Razor-X> haha
[02:37] <Razor-X> this is crazy
[02:37] <bob2> having to guess what you've done is silly
[02:37] <Razor-X> emacs buffers in a screen session
[02:37] <xzyt> frank: ah ok well..i hope it will do something...since its just sitting there not really doing any processes
[02:37] <levander> Since firefox dev's have such a different development model than debian, the ubuntu dev's have thought about putting firefox in universe and having some other web browser be the default?  Like Konqueror, only I guess they'd need a gnome one.
[02:38] <Razor-X> talk about multitasking
[02:38] <ubuntu> and it sais no printers detected
[02:38] <russ_> my friend doesnt know how to use linux
[02:38] <russ_> i need to make him r/w icons
[02:38] <russ_> it wont allow me
[02:38] <ubuntu> i did not boot up with the printer, i just plugged it in
[02:38] <jedix> eth42: any ideas?
[02:38] <Xyc0> levander: nautilus?
[02:38] <russ_> you would think they are just shortcuts but it doesnt seem that wauy
[02:38] <Razor-X> ubuntu: try typing ``hotplug''
[02:38] <levander> Xyc0: nautilus can browse the web??
[02:38] <bob2> russ_: I don't know what you mean
[02:38] <bob2> linux doesn't have shortcuts
[02:38] <russ_> it says they are owned by root
[02:38] <eth42> jedix: MPlayer messages are always a bit freaky
[02:38] <ubuntu> hotplug
[02:38] <levander> linux has links instead of shortcuts
[02:38] <Xyc0> levander: it used to, now we just use firefox
[02:38] <bob2> russ_: you need to be way more specific
[02:38] <ubuntu> "hotplug"
[02:39] <russ_> i have successfully mounted drive1 and drive2 they are vfat drives
[02:39] <jedix> eth42: totem says it can't play ac3 streams and stops
[02:39] <russ_> with the help of funkyhat
[02:39] <bob2> anyway, this will suck my day
[02:39] <Xyc0> levander: just because you can't update it constantly doesn't mean its unuseable
[02:39] <eth42> jedix: that looks strange: The selected video_out device is incompatible with this codec. VDecoder init failed :(
[02:39] <levander> Xyc0: nautilus used to? or ubuntu used to have nautilus as the web browser?
[02:39] <russ_> i made desktop icons but they have little locks on them, i need to allow r/w access on drive21
[02:39] <levander> Xyc0: i didn't say it was unusable
[02:39] <bob2> russ_: so, that's entirely to do with how you mounted it
[02:39] <xeiro> Razor-X: how long was I gone?
[02:39] <Xyc0> levander: Gnome used to use nautilus as a web browser, way back in the day
[02:39] <bob2> russ_: note you can't write to NTFS at all
[02:39] <bob2> Xyc0: no it didn't
[02:40] <jedix> yeah
[02:40] <russ_> its fat32
[02:40] <russ_> they are working in nautilus
[02:40] <funkyHat> they are vfat drives bob2
[02:40] <ubuntu> i typed hotplug
[02:40] <russ_> but not through the links
[02:40] <Xyc0> bob2: no?
[02:40] <ubuntu> nothing happend
[02:40] <bob2> russ_: then mount it with umask=000
[02:40] <xeiro> Razor-X: thats the amount of time it took me to fix my network problem :)
[02:40] <jedix> eth42: but it's the sound that throws the sig11
[02:40] <funkyHat> russ_, the desktop is part of nautilus
[02:40] <Razor-X> ubuntu: nothing will
[02:40] <Razor-X> xeiro: hahaha
[02:40] <bob2> russ_: ie put it in the options colume after defaults in /etc/fstab
[02:40] <levander> Xyc0: well, i just tried opening a web page in nautilus, notta
[02:40] <Razor-X> ubuntu: now try looking for printers again
[02:40] <xzyt> frank: here is the annoying part: 2005-07-27 19:33:03 [SETI@home]  Message from server: No disk space (you must fre e 587.0 MB before BOINC gets space).  Review preferences for minimum disk free s pace allowed.
[02:40] <eth42> jedix: sorry! I don't know
[02:40] <Xyc0> bob2: then what was it we used?  Mozilla wasn't a base install, it had to be nautilus
[02:40] <ubuntu> i know where my printer is located, it's on my desk
[02:41] <russ_> could not change ownership of drive2
[02:41] <bob2> Xyc0: nautils didn't exist in gnome 1.0
[02:41] <ark3qqq> If I install Azureus from SourceForge, how do I get its icon to show up in the Applications menu?
[02:41] <bob2> !+smeg
[02:41] <ubotu> smeg is probably a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[02:41] <bob2> ark3qqq: install that
[02:41] <frank> xzyt: there is a setting for the ammount of space which must always be left and that boinc cannot touch
[02:41] <xeiro> Razor-X: yup ... finally fixed ... so lets see if I can use it now :)
[02:41] <Razor-X> oh, and if you use smeg, thank Mr. Amaranth
[02:41] <ark3qqq> Ah, cool. Thanks. :)
[02:42] <frank> xzyt: you could change it by logging to a project
[02:42] <ark3qqq> Thanks in advance, Mr. Amaranth. (?)
[02:42] <ubuntu> Razor-X, can I PM you
[02:42] <xzyt> frank:hmmm ok
[02:42] <Xyc0> bob2: Im talking before mozilla and firefox was default
[02:42] <frank> xzyt: or delete some stuff
[02:43] <bob2> Xyc0: yes, I know, but nautilus didn't even exist then, so it wasn't that
[02:43] <ubuntu> where can I go to get instant ubuntu help
[02:43] <Agrajag> before mozilla and firefox and nautilus, the file browser was gmc
[02:43] <Xyc0> before Firefox? it only just released, im talking 2 years ago, still gnome 2.x
[02:43] <Agrajag> and the browser was usually netscape 4 :(
[02:44] <bob2> Xyc0: before then it was mozilla
[02:44] <bob2> yeah
[02:44] <xzyt> frank: its a 20GB HD just intsalled ubuntu..i don't think i ran out
[02:44] <ark3qqq> jedix:  Do you find that mplayer crashes on decoding AC3 audio?
[02:44] <HrdwrBoB> ark3qqq: yes
[02:44] <HrdwrBoB> it does
[02:44] <jedix> ark3qqq: yes
[02:44] <HrdwrBoB> ark3qqq: http://kaos.vicnet.net.au/mplayer_1.0cvs_i386.deb
[02:45] <jedix> ark3qqq: that is exactly what I find
[02:45] <frank> xzyt: only one partition?
[02:45] <jedix> ark3qqq: is there a fux?
[02:45] <jedix> fix even
[02:45] <ark3qqq> HrdwrBoB:  That's a fixed version?
[02:45] <HrdwrBoB> jedix: yes
[02:45] <frank> xzyt: type df to know how much you have left
[02:46] <ark3qqq> HrdwrBoB: Cool. I'll have to check that out.
[02:46] <ark3qqq> jedix: I was going to suggest Totem-xine, but if that fixed version works, well... :)
[02:46] <HrdwrBoB> yeah it's allegedly a compiler problem
[02:46] <xeiro> Razor-X: now when I login to GUI it pauses ... arrgggg
[02:46] <xeiro> lol
[02:46] <HrdwrBoB> I compiled the latest version of mplayer and made that deb
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> it works with AC3
[02:47] <ark3qqq> HrdwrBoB: Thanks. Would I want to put a "hold" or something on that package for some reason?
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> ark3qqq: hm, don't think so
[02:48] <HrdwrBoB> I just removed my current mplayer package, then ran dpkg -i on that package
[02:48] <ark3qqq> HrdwrBoB: Okay, I won't worry about it, then.
[02:49] <ark3qqq> I guess I'll have to reinstall mplayer-fonts.
[02:49] <timmir> i have a question about setting up a freenx client/server in ubuntu?  who should I ask?
[02:49] <xerio_hoary> guess whos back :)
[02:49] <xeiro_hoary> back again :)
[02:49] <levander> Nobody knows where a good tutorial to get started with udftools is do they?
[02:50] <bob2> freenx is a massive pain in the arse to get going
[02:50] <Octane> how do i install a package even if it has deps that cannot be met
[02:50] <Octane> with apt-get
[02:50] <jedix> hrm
[02:50] <jedix> seems I can't enable dma either
[02:50] <HrdwrBoB> Octane: you don't
[02:50] <HrdwrBoB> Octane: what package
[02:50] <Octane> HrdwrBoB: i need to :)
[02:50] <Octane> HrdwrBoB: libtunepimp2-dev
[02:50] <timmir> would it be easier to tunnel vnc through ssh then
[02:50] <levander> Octane: there's some nodeps option to apt-get, sounds like you're asking for trouble thoug
[02:51] <Octane> i have libtunepimp2, but ubuntu doesnt know this :)
[02:51] <jedix> HrdwrBoB: do you happen to have an amd64 copy of that deb?
[02:51] <xzyt> frank: fixed that part...and its 'trying' to download
[02:51] <xzyt> frank: but nothing is happening.... is there a certain port that it uses that i need to redirect in my router?
[02:51] <Octane> levander: do you know the nodeps flag?
[02:52] <frank> xzyt: I don'really know about the ports
[02:52] <HrdwrBoB> jedix: no, but you can build it yourself, grab the mplayer sources from mplayerhq and run fakeroot debian/rules
[02:52] <bob2> Octane: why did you install libtunepimp from outside ubuntu?
[02:52] <bob2> there's no nodeps option to apt-get
[02:52] <Octane> bob2: because the ubuntu package does not have mp3 support
[02:53] <bob2> dpkg can force it, but apt-get won't work anymore (at all)
[02:53] <bob2> Octane: so reocmpile the ubuntu package with mp3 support
[02:53] <Octane> i used pirrux's workaround aritculated here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29370
[02:54] <bob2> geez that's a bad solution
[02:54] <Octane> i know its friggin terrible
[02:54] <shadeofgrey> whats the name odf the libs package i have to get apt-get to install that 1) enables totem to play mp3s and DVD's -- and what extra apt-get commands do i need to make k3b?
[02:54] <bob2> Octane: apt-get source libtunepimp2
[02:54] <Octane> bob2: is there any way to undo it?
[02:55] <bob2> Octane: sudo apt-get install build-essential ; sudo apt-get build-dep libtunepimp2
[02:55] <ark3qqq> HrdwrBoB: Thanks again. That mplayer works great. :)
[02:55] <bob2> Octane: then edit debian/rules so that the configre script enables mp3 support
[02:55] <Octane> bob2: already have build-essential who do you think ia m :)))))))
[02:55] <bob2> Octane:  then "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot"
[02:55] <xzyt> how can i tell what ports are open?
[02:56] <Octane> bob2: how can i undo what he said to do though in that post
[02:56] <xzyt> i need to know what port a certain program is using
[02:56] <ZibiKebir> i am trying to set up my microsoft mn-510 wireless usb card on ubuntu linux, which is based on debian, i downloaded the tar.gz file, and extracted to a .deb file. i then installed the .deb file. i am pretty much stuck now. i read alot of forums but they dont seem to tell me how to do it step by step. i am still learning thr ropes with this
[02:56] <ZibiKebir> thats my post from #debian
[02:57] <levander> So if I backup a file, preserving file permissions and everything.  Say, I restore it on a system that doesn't have a user that the file's owner UID maps to.  What happens?
[02:57] <bob2> Octane: sudo dpkg -P  libtunepimp2 libtunepimp2-dev libtunepimp-bin
[02:57] <bob2> levander: depends how you back it up
[02:57] <bob2> levander: some tools back up the name, some back up the id
[02:57] <ubuntu> please help, I need to get a canon USB printer to be recognised in printers
[02:57] <Octane> bob2: juk and kdemultimedia need that crap
[02:58] <bob2> Octane: dpkg -P --force-depends lib...
[02:58] <ZibiKebir> pm me with help please
[02:58] <bob2> ZibiKebir: ubuntu questions are not approriate for #debian
[02:58] <bob2> and find out what chipset that card uses
[02:58] <levander> bob2: say I back it up using rsync -a
[02:59] <ZibiKebir> it uses prism2 chipset
[02:59] <IIIEars> ZibiK, Did you check out the unofficial ubuntuguide? - (not often recommended here anymore due to inaccuracies recommending repositories.)
[02:59] <xzyt> soo..... about the ports? how can i find out what port a program is using right now at this moment
[02:59] <bob2> ZibiKebir: then get rid of the junk you downloaded
[02:59] <mchonis> hey all
[02:59] <bob2> xzyt: sudo netstat -plunt | grep program
[02:59] <IIIEars> !ubuntuguide
[02:59] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[02:59] <ZibiKebir> wat u mean
[02:59] <bob2> ZibiKebir: remove all that junk, ubuntu includes the driver already
[03:00] <ZibiKebir> then how do i set it up to work
[03:00] <auk> what pack ages is the mp3encode tool in?
[03:00] <bob2> auk: it's not in ubuntu
[03:00] <bob2> auk: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:00] <levander> bob2: apparently, by default, rsync backs the owners up by name
[03:00] <mchonis> Does anyone know how to install features in ubuntu to make my laptop screen dimmer to conserve battery when unplugged?
[03:00] <bob2> levander: yes
[03:00] <levander> bob2: no idea how you knew that off top of head
[03:00] <bob2> levander: by reading the man page
[03:01] <bob2> mchonis: that's often a bios tihng
[03:01] <bob2> mchonis: it's laptop-specific, tho, if you want to do it from within linux
[03:01] <levander> bob2: the rsync man page told you that some backup tools backup via uid, others via owner names?
[03:01] <ubuntu> I need a private helper, who wants to accept
[03:01] <ZibiKebir> can anybody help me with my problem?
[03:01] <mchonis> when I installed kubuntu it had all kinds of features like sleeping, hibernating, saving to disk.. saving to ram.. dimming.. etc
[03:02] <auk> bob2, i thought it would be in multiverse
[03:02] <bob2> levander: oh, know, it told me it does name by default
[03:02] <bob2> auk: perhaps
[03:02] <Octane> bob2 thanks mate
[03:02] <Octane> bob2: still wrestling with it but ill figure it out
[03:02] <bob2> ZibiKebir: uninstall all the junk you just installed, them come back
[03:02] <pdsfdsf> how do I install a program that I downloaded as a .bin file?
[03:02] <levander> bob2: so how did you know that some backup tools backup by name, and other by uid?
[03:02] <bob2> mchonis: that would be very surprising if ubuntu was different
[03:02] <bob2> levander: I dunno
[03:02] <bob2> from talking about it with other people, I guess
[03:03] <ubuntu> i need some ubuntu help
[03:03] <levander> bob2: i guess you just asked the same question i did awhile back maybe
[03:03] <ZibiKebir> ok its uninstalled
[03:03] <bob2> ZibiKebir: then 'sudo modprobe prism2_usb prism2_doreset=1'
[03:04] <xzyt> anyone ever used BOINC ?
[03:04] <ZibiKebir> i type that and then what should happen
[03:04] <ubuntu> ugh
[03:04] <bob2> ubuntu: perhaps try asking on the mailing list
[03:04] <shadeofgrey> i need help guys....
[03:04] <bob2> ubuntu: paid support is also available
[03:04] <shadeofgrey> heres the deal
[03:04] <pdsfdsf> how do I install a program that I downloaded as a .bin file? When I try to open it it says that the file has an unknown type
[03:04] <ubuntu> i need instant help
[03:05] <shadeofgrey> i have two disks in my pc.  one is 160 gig, where windows was, and where ubuntu now resides
[03:05] <bob2> ubuntu: well, paid support is perhaps the best way to go, since no one here seems to be willing or able
[03:05] <bob2> pdsfdsf: it will have instructions
[03:05] <Octane> let's say i have a package install but i want to reinstall it w/ different config (ie libtunepimp2 w/ mp3 support) whats the best way to do that
[03:05] <ubuntu> i am on an instant messenger, but noone can give instant help
[03:05] <auk> !mp3encode
[03:05] <ubuntu> what a ripoff
[03:05] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, auk
[03:05] <bob2> ubuntu: haha
[03:05] <shadeofgrey> the other i made into unpartitioned space, because i wanted to wipe out the other drive.  it contained my old installation of ubuntu
[03:05] <bob2> ubuntu: ripoff?  you got it for free, dude.
[03:05] <ZibiKebir> how do i uninstall what i installed already
[03:05] <bob2> Octane: as above, purge it
[03:05] <frank> I don't know how this qualifies as a ripoff
[03:05] <bob2> ZibiKebir: so when you said you had removed it, you were lying?
[03:06] <pdsfdsf> bob2 but how do I execute them:
[03:06] <auk> ubuntu: just ask the question
[03:06] <Octane> bob2: i guess what im asking is whether i need to remove it and then redo it from source or can i do it while its installed
[03:06] <shadeofgrey> how do i make the unpartitioned space into an empty usable partition for storage that ubuntu recognises as a drive?
[03:06] <ZibiKebir> i have a dual boot system, and didnt really want to restart
[03:06] <ubuntu> thanks for being so gay
[03:06] <ZibiKebir> anyways once im there i want to do it in one shot
[03:06] <ZibiKebir> meanign i dont want to restart 7 times
[03:06] <auk> lol
[03:06] <bob2> ZibiKebir: so, lying to people helping you is incredibly useless
[03:07] <ZibiKebir> sorry
[03:07] <mchonis> ya.. cuz kubuntu had the klaptopdaemon.. it did all that stuff
[03:07] <bob2> shadeofgrey: sudo cfdisk /dev/whatever
[03:07] <IIIEars> pds, - i am very new to linux so take this with a grain of salt. - type "sh your_file.bin" and see if it executes.
[03:07] <Octane> lol
[03:07] <bob2> shadeofgrey: then you can use mkfs to put a filesystem on it
[03:07] <ZibiKebir> i really do appreciate your help
[03:07] <pdsfdsf> bob2: but how do I execute these instructions?
[03:07] <bob2> Octane: you need to compile the packages like I said, then you can just installing the resulting .debs with dpkg
[03:08] <Octane> alright thanks man
[03:08] <ZibiKebir> still wanna halp me out guys?
[03:08] <boodle> breezy sorta/kinda stable/usable?
[03:08] <one> ubuntu seems remarkably simple
[03:08] <bob2> boodle: no
[03:08] <one> is it pretty simplistic?
[03:08] <IIIEars> bob2 - You are amazing. - Very grateful here.
[03:09] <Octane> boodle: breezy is a nono
[03:09] <Jugan> i just successfully made my webcam work in linux using the spca5xx driver
[03:09] <boodle> I tried it some months ago...regretted it :-)
[03:09] <one> ubuntu is a single ISO only about 600mb.... what software does it come with? just the basics like GNU C and Xorg?
[03:09] <Octane> Jugan: congratulations
[03:09] <ZibiKebir> comes with tons of packages
[03:09] <Octane> one: www.ubuntu-linux.org
[03:09] <Octane> one: a single cd is all you need
[03:09] <one> does it have the freebsd type /usr/ports where I can automatically install packages
[03:09] <one> what type of packaging system does it have?
[03:09] <Octane> one: dont use fedora's 4 cd model as an example
[03:10] <one> debian's ?
[03:10] <bob2> ZibiKebir: then install linux-wlan-ng
[03:10] <jedix> HrdwrBoB: fakeroot?
[03:10] <Octane> one: it uses packages, yes
[03:10] <Jugan> it worked well when I tried the command spcaview -d /dev/video1 in the terminal but the thing is, gnomemeeting can only see /dev/video0...how can i make it work in gnome meeting?
[03:10] <bob2> one: more or less
[03:10] <one> so it suports .deb ?
[03:10] <funkyHat> one, yes it uses deb packages
[03:10] <IIIEars> one - you can add any debian pkg easily using "Synaptic" - it has nearly everything you might expect for a desktop system including internet apps and Open Office.
[03:10] <ZibiKebir> thats what i downloaded and installed bob2
[03:10] <boodle> ubuntu's now kinda feeling like debian... not as leading edge (with less blood!) than debian-sid.
[03:10] <gbic> you can always use alien to convert rpm to deb
[03:10] <pdsfdsf> I'm sorry for the insistence, but can someone tell me how can I execute a .bin file?
[03:10] <funkyHat> but it also supports rpm and something else i think using alien (it can convert them to deb)
[03:10] <] BreliC[> Jugan, what kind of camera?
[03:10] <Octane> one: yes, its debian based
[03:10] <bob2> ZibiKebir: then 'sudo wlanctl-ng wlan0 lnxreq_autojoin ssid="SSID" authtype=opensystem'
[03:10] <bob2> ZibiKebir: er, no, it's not
[03:11] <one> yes from reading about it i see that
[03:11] <bob2> ZibiKebir: you downloaded some tarball
[03:11] <supernix> can someone tell me why the Junk mail controls never work in Thunderbird ?
[03:11] <ZibiKebir> so where do i download the file your talking about
[03:11] <bob2> ZibiKebir: with synaptic
[03:11] <funkyHat> supernix, they work for me :)
[03:12] <Chaos615> hey can anyone help me out
[03:12] <supernix> If you click on run junk mail filters on folder they never filter anything
[03:12] <ZibiKebir> its already on the system?
[03:12] <bob2> ZibiKebir: no
[03:12] <jedix> HrdwrBoB: how do I build mplayer again?
[03:12] <bob2> if you have no other network access, you'll have to get your LUG to help you or something
[03:12] <ZibiKebir> well im not on the internet, how can i install it
[03:12] <bob2> or someone else here
[03:12] <Jugan> ] BreliC[:  it's a webcam based on spca chipset...sunplus technology
[03:12] <bob2> sorry
[03:12] <funkyHat> supernix, it's a learning filter, you have to tell it what is junk to start with
[03:12] <ZibiKebir> lug?
[03:12] <ajs_debian> Hi
[03:12] <ajs_debian> is there a chennel for Java?
[03:12] <jedix> HrdwrBoB: ./configure doesn't seem to detect any video out stuff..
[03:12] <Octane> Anyone know why is it that whenever I run make -f the following gets outputed: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/798
[03:12] <Chaos615> how do i send lik e an entire drectory thats like 6 gigs to another pc on my network thats running windows xp?
[03:12] <ZibiKebir> can you download it and send it to me
[03:12] <Octane> i get alll thse warnings about aclocal
[03:13] <HrdwrBoB> jedix: apt-get build-dep mplayer
[03:13] <funkyHat> ZibiKebir, lug = linux user group
[03:13] <] BreliC[> Jugan, ahh.. i have a logitech quickcam and can't get it to work with hoary.  had it working under all 2.4 kernels and the first few 2.6.. but not since then :(
[03:13] <IIIEars> Chaos615 - Enabled your "Shared Folder" or a shared folder on XP? - open places and select network "Windows network".
[03:14] <ZibiKebir> can someone please download and send me linux-wlan-ng
[03:14] <sorush20> guys you'll be interested to know "open source", is not that far behide "Microsoft" Just do a google search on "open source" there are 212,000,000 results, and for "Microsoft"  247,000,000 results.. Keep up the good work.. guys.. ha ha ha .. ho ha ha ha.....:-D
[03:14] <pdsfdsf>  I'm sorry for the insistence, but can someone tell me how can I execute a .bin file?
[03:14] <Jugan> it worked well when I tried the command spcaview -d /dev/video1 in the terminal but the thing is, gnomemeeting can only see /dev/video0...how can i make it work in gnome meeting?  I think /dev/video0 is being used by my TV tuner...
[03:14] <one> pdsfdsfs : bash# ./*.bin
[03:14] <ZibiKebir> can someone please download and send me linux-wlan-ng
[03:14] <one> pdsfdsf: bash# chmod +x *.bin ; ./*.bin
[03:15] <IIIEars> pdsfdsf - being new there are like two or more ways to do this. try sh you_file.bin to bring up a bash terminal
[03:15] <Chaos615> whats the best way to send 6gigs of files over to a pc running windows XP
[03:15] <IIIEars> i don't know them all
[03:16] <jedix> HrdwrBoB: thank you
[03:16] <shadeofgrey> chaos: usb external drive -- or like a usb key drive
[03:16] <shadeofgrey> or 2 DVD's
[03:16] <Chaos615> no way to use a web utlitiy?
[03:16] <HrdwrBoB> jedix: no worries
[03:16] <vader1102> Chaos615: are they networked?
[03:16] <Chaos615> like aim, cuz gaim doesnt have send directory
[03:16] <Chaos615> yes
[03:16] <Chaos615> same network
[03:17] <vader1102> then can they see each other?
[03:17] <Chaos615> techincally i think so
[03:17] <useruser> Chaos615: stick a webserver on the linux machine
[03:17] <Chaos615> but one is running windows
[03:17] <vader1102> okay then copy anf paste from linux to windows
[03:17] <vader1102> and^^
[03:17] <ZibiKebir> can you download it and send it to me
[03:17] <auk> pdsfdsf: 'chmod +x blah_blah' gives you permission to exectute it--you won' talways need to do that
[03:18] <Chaos615> where can i go in ubuntu to see my other pcs on the network?
[03:18] <one> well if you just downloaded it
[03:18] <one> by default it wont be +x
[03:18] <one> youll need to make it executable
[03:18] <vader1102> what version of ubuntu?
[03:18] <vader1102> hoary warty??
[03:18] <auk> ?
[03:18] <Chaos615> runnin live
[03:19] <vader1102> ok then at the top left do you have apps....system?
[03:19] <Chaos615> yea
[03:19] <IIIEars> ZibiKebir - Offering the file and html help document.
[03:19] <vader1102> ok, then look for network
[03:19] <ZibiKebir> i accepted
[03:19] <IIIEars> do you have it?
[03:19] <auk> pdsfdsf: if/once it is executable, jsut move to the directory where it is and type './blah_blah'
[03:19] <Chaos615> network tools?
[03:20] <ZibiKebir> no
[03:20] <vader1102> network or networking
[03:20] <ZibiKebir> connection failed
[03:20] <IIIEars> okay - must be something amiss. - maybe someone else can send it to you.
[03:20] <ZibiKebir> can you email it to me
[03:20] <cato_> How do i enable a splash image for grub?
[03:20] <auk> or...type, for example, '/home/uber_idiot:)/huh?/yippee/blah_blah
[03:21] <auk> oops...ad a ' to the end :)
[03:21] <pdsfdsf> auk: it worked! Thanks a lot!
[03:21] <auk> cool
[03:21] <Chaos615> just network tools
[03:22] <vader1102> then maybe I am not the person to help you then... I am week in this area
[03:23] <Chaos615> okies
[03:23] <Chaos615> thanks though
[03:23] <vader1102> np
[03:23] <Chaos615> anyone know the best way to send like 6 gigs of files to a windows pc on the same network
[03:23] <jedix> HrdwrBoB: it still crashes
[03:23] <ZibiKebir> crossover cable
[03:23] <crimsun> Chaos615: disconnect the HD and plug it into the same chassis
[03:23] <cafuego> Chaos615: firewire networking
[03:23] <flugh> cool. firefox beats IE 47% to 40% on my site statistics
[03:23] <flugh> the world will be a better place soon... ;)
[03:23] <one> Firefox takes longer to start than IE though
[03:23] <one> i have noticed
[03:23] <HrdwrBoB> jedix: damn
[03:23] <Chaos615> on a laptop, the pc i need to put it into doesnt have it
[03:24] <one> wish it was more instant
[03:24] <auk> hehe...i just thought of something...kind of embarrasing for me...about 0.0000000000000000000001% of the people on ubuntu's site are there with IE
[03:24] <HrdwrBoB> jedix: I run i386 on my amd64 anyway
[03:24] <cafuego> one: No, it doesn't.
[03:24] <Chaos615> can i use firewire directly between two though?
[03:24] <one> Yes on Windows XP it takes longer to start
[03:24] <cafuego> one: IE is loaded when the OS loaded.
[03:24] <flugh> only because IE has the operating system's resource p0wn3d from boot
[03:24] <HrdwrBoB> jedix: you're better off running 32bit mplayer anyway so you can use the dlls
[03:24] <one> it takes about 2-3 seconds
[03:24] <cafuego> one: So you're comparing apples with pears.
[03:24] <jedix> HrdwrBoB: actually, sorry.. I forgot to remove the old one and it's in the path before the new one
[03:24] <one> yeah of course Explorer would be faster
[03:24] <auk> cafuego: no, apples with bits of fuzz
[03:24] <auk> :)
[03:24] <cafuego> one: it takes firefox longer to load than it takes IE to draw a new window, is what you're saying.
[03:24] <jedix> HrdwrBoB: how can I force the deb to be removed without removing all that depends on it
[03:25] <flugh> i'd rather wait 5-10 seconds longer for browser to start, than have browser eating resources whilst I do development ;)
[03:25] <boodle> anyone get nvidia drivers to compile for 2.6.13-rc3-mm1 or mm2?
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> jedix: just dpkg -r
[03:25] <cafuego> boodle: Did they change the ABI again? Woohoo!
[03:25] <cato_> How can i use the "convert" cmd?.. i saw on the "unofficial ubuntu guide" that i could convert wallpapers to be grub splashimages..
[03:25] <one> Ubuntu supports custom boot splash?
[03:25] <boodle> cafuego,   ABI ?
[03:25] <flugh> my point being, this is the first time i recall looking at my stats and firefox beating IE. i'll go back to lurking now
[03:25] <cafuego> boodle: something binary interface
[03:26] <cato_> one, i think so.. says so on the wiki though
[03:26] <boodle> cafuego, you mean nvidia or mr. morton?
[03:26] <cafuego> boodle: mr morton. I think it's his unofficial hobby.
[03:26] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: application
[03:26] <boodle> cafuego, heh yea seems so...kbuild seems fsck'd as far as nvidia's drivers go
[03:26] <Chaos615> anyone know a utility to send big files from linux to xp
[03:27] <auk> *openoffice.org
[03:27] <HrdwrBoB> Chaos615: normal filesharing does it
[03:27] <cafuego> boodle: Just stick with the non-mm kernel then. I think -rc3 vanilla works OK
[03:27] <citrus_> what the hell is wrong with my system  every so often my mouse trips out like crazy  starts clicking everwhere and my keyboard freezes
[03:27] <boodle> cafuego, will try right now :)
[03:27] <ilba7r> hi just wanted to know the status of wine before installing it i used it once and it was broken so any one used the new one?
[03:28] <ajs_debian> Hi!
[03:28] <ajs_debian> is there some channel of Java?
[03:28] <IIIEars> cirus_ - Are you using a KVM switch to alrenate between two machines? - If you are start Ubuntu with that machine active on screen.
[03:28] <cato_> !dma
[03:28] <auk> !wine
[03:28] <ubotu> auk: I don't know, could you explain it?
[03:28] <cafuego> bob2: I lied, my latest one is 2.6.12.2
[03:29] <cafuego> d'oh
[03:29] <auk> ajs_debian: ##java
[03:30] <hussam> I had a sudden power off. how can I check the hard disk for errors?
[03:30] <cafuego> hussam: It does that automatically upon boot.
[03:30] <ilba7r> auk wine is used to run window prog on linux http://www.winehq.org
[03:31] <cafuego> hussam: it probably logged somthing about 'replaying journal entries'
[03:31] <shad0w1e> anyone know of a good program I can use to use my linux box as a router?
[03:31] <efbie> Hello !
[03:31] <cafuego> shad0w1e: the kernel and iptables.
[03:31] <shad0w1e> cafuego lol
[03:31] <auk> ilba7r, i kno wtaht, i was just seeign if ubotu had anything extra to say
[03:31] <cafuego> shad0w1e: I'm serious
[03:31] <efbie> can someone tell me how to install fonts for openoffice ? I tried to put them in ~/.fonts but it doesn't work...
[03:31] <shad0w1e> I cant get that working..
[03:31] <shad0w1e> too complicated
[03:32] <ilba7r> ok auk
[03:32] <flithm> hey everyone... I just did a fresh ubuntu 5.04 install and I've got some weird issues.  The first one is, my ssh server doesn't seem to want to forward X11 packets.  I checked the config and it says it's enabled, I've tried sshing in with various switches... I can't get it to work!  Anyone got any ideas?
[03:32] <cafuego> shad0w1e: 'sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1' and now it magically routes
[03:32] <shad0w1e> plus I want a program where I can choose which ports to block, and UDP or IP, etc etc
[03:32] <flithm> Funny thing is I did a 5.0 install a few months back and has none of the issues I'm having now!
[03:32] <moparfan90> hello. i just installed ubuntu on an old computer of mine. everything workked greatt. but it doesnt detect my ethernet card or doesnt have the sofware. what sould i do?
[03:32] <efbie> it works for every gnome applications, but not for OpenOffice, is this a bug ?
[03:33] <auk> at teh risk of soundign like an idiot...what is the default filesystem in ubuntu? ext3 or ext2?
[03:33] <cafuego> auk: ext3
[03:33] <flithm> moparfan90: I had that problem too.  I had to install an old temporary 10/100 nic, before downloading and installing the driver for the real nic
[03:33] <auk> whew
[03:33] <Thewarmachine> what gnome program can I use to burn an mp3 cd
[03:33] <Thewarmachine> ?
[03:33] <cafuego> auk: not that it matters, they are easily converted.
[03:33] <shad0w1e> auk: but ext3 is actually ext2 + an index file
[03:33] <moparfan90> how do i get the drivers that will work with linux?
[03:34] <moparfan90> i ont know what type of card it is
[03:34] <flithm> moparfan90: try lspci
[03:34] <cafuego> moparfan90: 'lspci'
[03:34] <moparfan90> .com?
[03:34] <shad0w1e> no
[03:34] <auk> shaw0wle: one (1) file??
[03:34] <shad0w1e> in your console!
[03:34] <flithm> moparfan90: haha no type lspci
[03:34] <cafuego> moparfan90: it will tell you what card it is
[03:34] <shad0w1e> auk not exactly sure but ext3 can be detected on an OS that can only read ext2
[03:34] <vader1102> heheh.... I love the Hoary ove the warty, it is much faster and much cleaner
[03:34] <cafuego> shad0w1e: yes
[03:35] <hussam> cafuego: can I force a check on next reboot?
[03:35] <vader1102> over^^
[03:35] <cafuego> hussam: Absolutely. or you can go to single-user mode, mount the disk read-only and force a check now, without rebooting.
[03:35] <shad0w1e> theres got to be a good routing prog out there, no?
[03:35] <moparfan90> ok ill try that
[03:35] <cafuego> shad0w1e: You're after a firewall admin tool, not a routing prog.
[03:35] <Chaos615> can anyone help me transfer files from a ubuntu system to an xp system, i dont have tthe cables to do it crossover
[03:36] <Thewarmachine> is there a program capable of handling it
[03:36] <Thewarmachine> ?
[03:36] <shad0w1e> cafuego I need it to pass through the internet connection as well (from eth0 to eth1)
[03:36] <auk> Chaos615: how many files, how large?
[03:36] <Chaos615> thousands, its my mp3 library
[03:36] <bimberi> Chaos615: Set up a share on XP, find it via Places -> Network Servers on ubuntu, transfer
[03:36] <flithm> Chaos615: linux can't write to NTFS... unless you can format a temp drive as fat32, or send files over the network you're kinda screwed
[03:36] <cafuego> shad0w1e: Yes, the kernel can do that without any external help.
[03:36] <auk> Thewarmachine: yeah
[03:36] <Chaos615> im tryin to back up my friends laptop
[03:36] <auk> ...
[03:36] <zaudragon> Ubuntu is related to Debian, yes?
[03:36] <hussam> cafuego: how do I schedule that at reboot. I need to reboot anyway
[03:36] <vader1102> Chaos615: have you looked in networking tools to see if you can see the xp box?
[03:36] <cafuego> hussam: Let me see...
[03:36] <Thewarmachine> auk what would it be?
[03:36] <zaudragon> someone I know wants to have dual monitors
[03:37] <auk> zaudragon: yeah ...
[03:37] <Chaos615> yea its not there, im lookin for it
[03:37] <shad0w1e> there is no such thing as an "xp box"
[03:37] <shad0w1e> if it runs "xp" its not a box
[03:37] <shad0w1e> its a "computer"
[03:37] <Chaos615> i dont need to write anything
[03:37] <shad0w1e> lol
[03:37] <moparfan90> flithm, cafuego, would the card be called a bridge???
[03:37] <auk> warmachine, The: hold on..
[03:37] <cafuego> hussam: sudo touch /forcefsck
[03:37] <vader1102> ok, have you found the place to join the network or workgroup?
[03:37] <cafuego> moparfan90: No. Can you paste the output from lspci to #flood or a pastewebsite?
[03:37] <Chaos615> nah all i got is network tools
[03:38] <vader1102> hmmm, can you ping the IP for xp?
[03:38] <auk> Thewarmachine: if you've just got a bunch of mp3 files, just use nautilus
[03:38] <flithm> moparfan90: it'll probably say "Ethernet" in there somewhere... you might try: /sbin/lspci | grep Ethernet (or ethernet with a lowercase e)
[03:38] <moparfan90> no. i cant it doesnt have the internet on it.
[03:38] <cafuego> moparfan90: lspci | grep -i net
[03:38] <Chaos615> nautilus?
[03:39] <Thewarmachine> that kinda sounds sketchy
[03:39] <auk> Chaos615: the GNOME file browser
[03:39] <auk> !nautilus
[03:39] <ubotu> auk: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[03:39] <shad0w1e> ok thanks guys
[03:39] <auk> !info nautilus
[03:39] <shad0w1e> im out to try some stuff
[03:39] <ubotu> nautilus: (file manager and graphical shell for GNOME), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.10.0-0ubuntu9 (hoary), Packaged size: 799 kB, Installed size: 2588 kB
[03:39] <Chaos615> i cant do anything with the terminal server client?
[03:40] <cafuego> Chaos615: No.
[03:40] <auk> NTFS is not safe to write to
[03:40] <moparfan90> i know what all the stuff is but... pci bridge, bridge, intel corp., nd parrelle controler
[03:40] <hussam> cafuego: ok thank you, I 'll reboot now
[03:40] <vader1102> try a goole on the subject
[03:40] <cafuego> Chaos615: Are you wanting to copy from Linux on the amchien to WinXP on the machine?
[03:40] <auk> oops...i go tmy people mixed up :(
[03:40] <calc> i was surprised today to see how little ram kde actually needs to run well
[03:41] <flithm> moparfan90: doesn't look like any of those!
[03:41] <auk> Thewarmachine: why?
[03:41] <Chaos615> nah
[03:41] <Chaos615> two seperate machines
[03:41] <moparfan90> cafuego, can it be called a bridge or a parelle controller???
[03:41] <Chaos615> im on a laptop right now runnin ubuntu live
[03:41] <calc> sarge booted with kdm and kde logged in only takes ~ 48MB ram and if you have 96MB or more it runs fast
[03:41] <cafuego> Chaos615: Got not network cables?
[03:41] <Chaos615> can i just go network to network
[03:41] <cafuego> Chaos615: sure
[03:41] <calc> i imagine kde on ubuntu is the same but i didn't have ubuntu at work
[03:42] <Chaos615> ok cool, what would i do to send the files however?
[03:42] <cafuego> Chaos615: Just enable samba on the laptop, then connect to it from XP and copy.
[03:42] <auk> Thewarmachine: ping
[03:42] <moparfan90> cafuego, can it be called a bridge or a parellel  controller???
[03:42] <Chaos615> where cn i anable that? i apologize about this im a linux newbie
[03:42] <moparfan90> ???//
[03:42] <cafuego> moparfan90: No.
[03:42] <levander> Anybody is using udftools with hoary?  There's something in here about me needing to patch the kernel.
[03:42] <huttan> hey, does anyone know a good graphical ftp program that supports ssl ?
[03:42] <moparfan90> o. then maybe its not thee
[03:42] <moparfan90> there*
[03:42] <cafuego> Chaos615: System -> Admin -> File Sharing or sumesuch, I expect.
[03:42] <auk> huttan, hmm, gftp?
[03:43] <vader1102> <----is downloading kubuntu on my work pc and going to install it on a oc there just for the chuck of it lol
[03:43] <huttan> auk, doesnt seem like the ubuntu package has builtin ssl support
[03:43] <cafuego> huttan: No, there are NO good graphical ftp programs.
[03:43] <auk> lol
[03:43] <vader1102> I use gftp
[03:43] <Chaos615> one sec
[03:43] <shadyb> lin newb here, initial password not saved correctly, now cannot get into ubuntu, any help would be great
[03:43] <cafuego> That's an average one, not a good one <heh>
[03:43] <huttan> cafuego, sure there are
[03:44] <huttan> auk, your deb package has builtin ssl support?
[03:44] <cafuego> shadyb: Reboot, choose 'Rescue'. When you get a shell, type 'passwd <yourusername>' and set a new password.
[03:44] <auk> huttan: i have no idea, i haven't looked
[03:44] <niran> huttan, you can use nautilus as your ftp program
[03:44] <niran> huttan, just put it in browser mode
[03:45] <shadeofgrey> hey huys i need help with gparted..
[03:45] <avdd> Has anyone successfully installed U. on a new Xeon?
[03:45] <huttan> niran, i will try that, thanks
[03:45] <shadyb> great, thanks brother
[03:45] <cafuego> avdd: Debian sarge count as well?
[03:45] <Chaos615> it sys i need to install samba
[03:45] <Jugan> has anyone tried to build gyach?
[03:45] <auk> cafuego: but then he needs to know his old passwd ??
[03:45] <Jugan> i am trying to install gyach and Im having a bunch of errors
[03:45] <cafuego> Chaos615: 'sudo apt-get install samba'
[03:46] <cafuego> auk: Does single-user mode not just give him a shell?
[03:46] <shadeofgrey> if i want to take an entire blank unallocated drive and i want it to be the place where i dump stuff - like my 90 gigs of mp3s 40 gigs of family pictures and all my other misc crap, do i want to format it as ext2 or ext3?
[03:46] <auk> Chaos615, !info samba
[03:46] <auk> !info samba
[03:46] <ubotu> samba: (a LanManager-like file and printer server for Unix), section net, is optional. Version: 3.0.10-1ubuntu3 (hoary), Packaged size: 2300 kB, Installed size: 5956 kB
[03:46] <skalpel> can someone tell me how to use alien on a debian package?
[03:46] <skalpel> or do i even need to, with uibuntu?
[03:46] <cafuego> skalpel: Don't install debian packages. get an ubuntu one.
[03:47] <skalpel> cafeugo: what if there is not one?
[03:47] <cafuego> skalpel: Then look harder ;-)
[03:47] <cafuego> skalpel: Which package are we talking about?
[03:47] <auk> skalpel; "dpkg -i deb_package.deb"
[03:47] <levander> A question about burning CD's with udftools goes in the "Desktop Support" forum, or "Other application support" forum on ubuntuforums.org?
[03:47] <Chaos615> ghettin it now
[03:47] <jedix> hrm
[03:48] <skalpel> auk: thank you
[03:48] <jedix> thanks for all the help
[03:48] <cafuego> auk: In many cases that results in unsatisfied, broken depends.
[03:48] <moparfan90> i just rebooted the computer and its still not showwing up. what sould i do?
[03:48] <shadeofgrey> can somebody please help me with my previous question?
[03:48] <cafuego> moparfan90: make sure it's in properly and that it's not broken.
[03:48] <auk> cafuego: sometimes there are not specific version, e.g., the xchat systray plugin
[03:48] <moparfan90> ok
[03:48] <Thewarmachine> well can anyone point me o a gnome mp3 cd burner
[03:49] <cafuego> auk: Hence my question as to what it was, before telling him to just install it.
[03:49] <Razor-X> Thewarmachine: Gnomebaker
[03:49] <Razor-X> but, I prefer K3B (which isn't Gnome based) because I like my CDs burned, not baked ;)
[03:49] <auk> gnomebaker?
[03:49] <auk> oh
[03:49] <Razor-X> auk: mmmhmmm
[03:50] <Thewarmachine> lol
[03:50] <shadeofgrey> guys
[03:50] <Chaos615> ok
[03:50] <shadeofgrey> what kind of file system do i set my savestuff partition to ext2 or ext3?
[03:50] <Chaos615> i went
[03:50] <brian__> hi everyone
[03:50] <Chaos615> and put the windows folder on shared
[03:50] <Razor-X> shadeofgrey: ext3, generally
[03:50] <Chaos615> if i go on xp where will i locate that?
[03:50] <brian__> ubuntu/noob
[03:50] <shadeofgrey> excellent
[03:51] <shadeofgrey> thanks
[03:51] <Razor-X> pretty much the main difference is ext3 is ext2 plus journaling
[03:51] <Thewarmachine> how would I go about that using gnome baker
[03:51] <Thewarmachine> ?
[03:51] <Thewarmachine> i dont see a specific option
[03:51] <cafuego> Chaos615: In XP,go Start -> Run -> \\<the ip of the laptop>\
[03:51] <brian__> i have one ery important question
[03:51] <cafuego> brian__: 42
[03:51] <brian__> very*
[03:51] <shadeofgrey> Razor-X:  Do i make it a primary or extended partition?
[03:52] <shadeofgrey> primary i would assume?
[03:52] <brian__> can I play ut goty on ubuntu
[03:52] <brian__> or other games?
[03:52] <shadeofgrey> brian__:  yes
[03:52] <brian__> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[03:52] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, brian__
[03:52] <Razor-X> shadeofgrey: primary
[03:52] <brian__> oh im so happy
[03:52] <Razor-X> are you partitioning this yourself? because Ubuntu can do it for you
[03:52] <cafuego> I don't think that's important at all.
[03:52] <Razor-X> brian__: yeah, you can
[03:53] <Xyc0> What is a good webpage design program?
[03:53] <shadeofgrey> and then i click apply right?
[03:53] <Razor-X> wysiwyg?
[03:54] <brian__> sorry im a noob
[03:54] <Razor-X> Xyc0: you want WYSIWYG?
[03:54] <brian__> is there a specific chat for helping other install and run games
[03:54] <ed1t> in the topic, it says remove firefox...does it mean 'apt-get remove firefox' ?
[03:55] <auk> Xyco: Nvu, Bluefish, emacs
[03:55] <Razor-X> you know, I have yet to see a correctly implemented WYSIWYG editor
[03:55] <crimsun> ed1t: yes
[03:55] <brian__> or maybe some forums
[03:55] <Razor-X> brian__: not really, in my experience
[03:55] <ed1t> crimsun, cant find firefox package on the system
[03:55] <shadeofgrey> do i need a disklabel?
[03:55] <crimsun> ed1t: then you're fine
[03:55] <brian__> razor
[03:55] <auk> edlt: that is if you have the "firefox' package from backports
[03:55] <Razor-X> shadeofgrey: not really, you know, Ubuntu can take care of this
[03:55] <shadeofgrey> okay
[03:55] <Xyc0> Razor-X: No, just a program that will point out when I really messed up my code
[03:55] <shadeofgrey> i made the partition
[03:56] <ed1t> crimsun, so now how do i force to update mozilla-firefox package?
[03:56] <Razor-X> Xyc0: emacs
[03:56] <Razor-X> shadeofgrey: now don't forget swap
[03:56] <shadeofgrey> now how do i move stuff to it?
[03:56] <auk> Razor-X: i thought you liek vim ove rmeacs?
[03:56] <ed1t> nvm it showed up in update manager
[03:56] <Razor-X> auk: eh?
[03:56] <Razor-X> are you crazy?
[03:56] <auk> ugghh....
[03:56] <shadeofgrey> i didnt give the second partition any swap
[03:56] <brian__> ok what succes stories do some have with installing games
[03:56] <Xyc0> Razor-X: thanks
[03:56] <shadeofgrey> how big should the swap for the drive be if its 120 gig?
[03:56] <auk> Razor-X, oh, you are the one who lieks Opera
[03:56] <Razor-X> auk: yeah
[03:57] <Razor-X> I heard Opera's CEO talk on TWiT
[03:57] <^thehatsrule^> opera's nice
[03:57] <calc> shadeofgrey: swap is based off ram not size of disk
[03:57] <ttj> ARGH! I'm trying to install, but ubuntu finds my wlan-adapter and tries to fetch packages using that interface, which doesn't work because I'm not on a WLAN :/
[03:57] <Razor-X> shadeofgrey: swap is based of RAM
[03:57] <shadeofgrey> okay
[03:57] <calc> shadeofgrey: 2x ram should be more than enough
[03:57] <ttj> How do I fix this?
[03:57] <apokryphos> auk: Opera is great
[03:57] <ed1t> crimsun, now i updated the firefox, can i turn the backports on?
[03:57] <shadeofgrey> my hda1 has swap
[03:57] <auk> don't start
[03:57] <shadeofgrey> this new partition doesnt ... should i add it?
[03:58] <apokryphos> auk: you prefer mozilla/firefox? :|
[03:58] <finn> is there an easy way to grab the source for lirc, apply some patches, and use make-kpkg to create a custom package? every time i use it it defaults to the ubuntu config file and so my patches don't work
[03:58] <Thewarmachine> what makes opera better than firefox?
[03:58] <auk> apokryphos: yes. taht is the end of it.
[03:59] <kgnally> can anyone see me talking?
[03:59] <auk> *that
[03:59] <bimberi> kgnally: yes
[03:59] <shadeofgrey> okay wait
[03:59] <auk> kgnally: yes
[03:59] <vader1102> kgnally: yes
[03:59] <apokryphos> Thewarmachine: better usability, faster rendering
[03:59] <auk> damn backports
[03:59] <kgnally> ok good GOD I want to know WTF is going on
[03:59] <ttj> ARGH! I'm trying to install, but ubuntu finds my wlan-adapter and tries to fetch packages using that interface, which doesn't work because I'm not on a WLAN :/ Is there any easy way to avoid this?
[03:59] <Thewarmachine> but is it free?
[03:59] <Thewarmachine> as in beer
[03:59] <troy> is there any (easy) way to create a custom ubuntu install disk? I need kernel 2.6.11 running the installation in order for it to install to my SATA disk
[03:59] <shadeofgrey> razor or somebody please tell me what i need to do next.  i used gparted to make the partition...  how do i mount the drive?  i have to change my fstab file right?
[03:59] <Thewarmachine> and freedom
[03:59] <kgnally> I installed the Unbutu ATI binary drivers just like it says in the Wiki page
[03:59] <apokryphos> Thewarmachine: free to download, indeed.
[03:59] <Whimsy> Hey everyone! I'm pretty new with Linux in general, and I need some assistance with fstab. I'd like to set it up so that it automounts my NTFS partitions. mount shows that it's mounted, but I can't ls it, and it's not showing in the "places" window with my CD-ROM drives.
[03:59] <auk> Thewarmachine: the free version has ad
[03:59] <auk> *s
[03:59] <cafuego> Thewarmachine: It depends on your definition of "better" which you have failed to provide.
[03:59] <Thewarmachine> that sucks
[04:00] <Thewarmachine> cafuego
[04:00] <apokryphos> Thewarmachine: don't get me wrong, it's not my browser of choice, but I'd easily use it before ff or mozilla
[04:00] <kgnally> and now I HAVE fglrx running, BUT I have a huge* virtual desktop that I can't change!
[04:00] <auk> Thewarmachine: but, mor eimportantly, it's not free as in speech :}
[04:00] <auk> oops
[04:00] <auk> * :] 
[04:00] <Thewarmachine> lol
[04:00] <Thewarmachine> its cool
[04:00] <troy> kgnally: that's a setting in xorg.conf
[04:00] <auk> apokryphos: what is your browser of choice?
[04:01] <Thewarmachine> good question
[04:01] <bimberi> !ntfs
[04:01] <ubotu> somebody said ntfs was the filesystem used under Windows XP. The Ubuntu installer can safely resize an NTFS partition to create a new partition for you to install Ubuntu. http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[04:01] <thechitowncubs> Does anyone use the x-chat system tray plugin?
[04:01] <apokryphos> Konqueror
[04:01] <kgnally> I commented out all references to other color depths and display resolutionsin xorg.conf, but it didn't di anything, and I can't change the screen resolution while running X/Gnome
[04:01] <bimberi> Whimsy: see the info from ubotu above
[04:01] <Thewarmachine> i figured
[04:01] <auk> tehcitownclubs: me, youhave icon probs?
[04:01] <Whimsy> On it
[04:01] <jasoncohen> thechitowncubs, i used it but i didn't find it very useful
[04:01] <cafuego> thechitowncubs: Probably. Why don't you ask your ACTUAL qwuestion?
[04:01] <Whimsy> Thanks
[04:01] <brian__> I am a victim of WGA and ive defected to ubuntu
[04:01] <bimberi> yw :)
[04:01] <brian__> I need freinds here
[04:01] <moparfan90> ok. thanks anyone who helped me. i got it to work. :)
[04:01] <moparfan90> bye
[04:01] <ttj> ubotu: yes, as in it can resize an existing ntfs partition so you can have space to create a new one (preferably using ext3 or reiserfs) to install ubuntu
[04:01] <ubotu> ttj: I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about
[04:02] <cafuego> ttj: ubotu is a piece of (dumb) software
[04:02] <Thewarmachine> i think im just gonna install k3b
[04:02] <ttj> haha
[04:02] <ttj> sorry
[04:02] <kgnally> troy, what's the setting? I can't seem to find a reference to it
[04:02] <ttj> its 4am here
[04:02] <ttj> :D
[04:02] <cafuego> !stupid bot
[04:02] <ubotu> stupid cafuego
[04:02] <Thewarmachine> cafuego....watch it
[04:02] <Energiser> Oh My God
[04:02] <bimberi> lol
[04:02] <apokryphos> I happen to think he's quite intelligent :|
[04:02] <kgnally> to change the virtual desktop to OFF, I mean
[04:02] <Thewarmachine> lol
[04:02] <ttj> well!
[04:02] <Chaos615> ive set up samba to share files from a linux laptop to an xp pc on the same network, I cant get my xp to see this connection to transfer, any ideas??
[04:02] <cafuego> Thewarmachine: What am i watching?
[04:02] <trevi> brian_ what do you mean?
[04:02] <apokryphos> cafuego: hey! You haven't told me how to make him respond to things
[04:02] <Thewarmachine> lol
[04:02] <Thewarmachine> sorry
[04:02] <Energiser> Brian whats your deal?
[04:02] <troy> kgnally: in /etc/X11/xorg.conf  under Section "Screen"
[04:02] <brian__> My name is Brian
[04:03] <Thewarmachine> another im
[04:03] <apokryphos> Thewarmachine: *just* k3b? Why confine yourself? ;-)
[04:03] <cafuego> brian__: I saw a movie about your life once ;-)
[04:03] <troy> kgnally: join #troy_flood
[04:03] <Energiser> Laughing Out Loud
[04:03] <brian__> fun
[04:03] <Thewarmachine> i have a bunch of other things
[04:03] <Thewarmachine> graveman
[04:03] <Thewarmachine> gnomebaker
[04:03] <brian__> was is monty python
[04:03] <Thewarmachine> ...
[04:03] <auk> thechitowncubs: /usr/lib/xchat/plugins/images...and it needs a restart :)
[04:03] <cafuego> apokryphos: /msg ubotu <foo> is <bar>
[04:03] <Whimsy> Ok... So this script, do I set it with execute permissions and pray that it works with magic?
[04:03] <brian__> t?
[04:03] <Energiser> Laughing Out Loud
[04:03] <frank> what do you guys use to have tv out on a nvidia card (watch movies for example) nvtv or edit xorg.conf?
[04:03] <brian__> LOL
[04:03] <Hrmmp> aaa
[04:04] <Hrmmp> !ping
[04:04] <ubotu> Keep your fingers to yourself, hrmmp.
[04:04] <trevi> what's up Brian?
[04:04] <apokryphos> cafuego: no, as in give him specific responses to things. Say I /msg ubotu X, he responds with... Y Z
[04:04] <brian__> hi trevi
[04:04] <auk> Hrmmp: be careful
[04:04] <Hrmmp> No, go away
[04:04] <brian__> 9R
[04:04] <Thewarmachine> apokryphos, whats a good program for mp3 cd burning
[04:04] <Hrmmp> auk, of what?
[04:04] <cafuego> apokryphos: /msg ubotu apokryphos is <reply> No $nick, I am ubotu
[04:04] <Chaos615> does regular AIM work on ubuntu?
[04:04] <apokryphos> Thewarmachine: k3b is the best
[04:05] <Thewarmachine> it seems so
[04:05] <brian__> ok so how do I install UT Goty on my new Ubuntu OS?
[04:05] <cafuego> ubotu apokryphos is <reply> No $nick, I am ubotu
[04:05] <ubotu> okay, cafuego
[04:05] <brian__> Please
[04:05] <cafuego> !apokryphos
[04:05] <ubotu> No cafuego, I am ubotu
[04:05] <apokryphos> cafuego: nice, thanks.
[04:05] <cafuego> !forget apokryphos
[04:05] <ubotu> cafuego: i forgot apokryphos
[04:05] <auk> Hrmmp: if you play with bots/ubotu too much, excpect to get kicked some time :(
[04:06] <Whimsy> MAGIC! Thanks aboatload guys!
[04:06] <cafuego> You can play with the bot on #debian-bots until you see blue in the face.
[04:06] <Hrmmp> Dear God, I come in this channel for the first time . . . say two things, and look of the welcomes I'm getting
[04:06] <Thewarmachine> then here is a question worth asking////
[04:06] <brian__> or maybe I could go elsewhere
[04:06] <brian__> any suggestions
[04:06] <krystoff> hi i m looking for an IM like kopete but under gnome ? any idea please
[04:06] <scythe> should i be worried that it has taken me two days to download the dvd?
[04:06] <ttj> what configures which device is called what (like, my wlan is called eth0, my ethernetadapter is called eth1 and so on)?
[04:06] <Thewarmachine> is it a good idea to install kde?
[04:06] <auk> Hrmmp: not unwelcome, just a friendly warning :)
[04:06] <the--dud> krystoff, gaim
[04:06] <scythe> gaim is a good one krystoff
[04:06] <cafuego> scythe: If all you have is a 14.4 modem, yes.
[04:06] <benplaut> krystoff: try Gaim, it's already installed
[04:07] <scythe> kopete will run in gnome
[04:07] <the--dud> imho, its never a good idea to install kde :p
[04:07] <apokryphos> cafuego: hm, can he not store multiple responses to something that way?
[04:07] <brian__> I love this OS it is very useful
[04:07] <brian__> But!
[04:07] <krystoff> yes but when someone is answering to me i cant see it so i respond a long time after
[04:07] <auk> teh--dud: lol, yeah
[04:07] <brian__> I have to play games too
[04:07] <cafuego> apokryphos: Yes, <foo> is (bar1|bar2|bar3)
[04:07] <Computer__Guru> would you sign my phaser?
[04:07] <krystoff> can i change the way gnome treat the urgent signal ?
[04:07] <cafuego> apokryphos: That will make it pick a random one
[04:07] <apokryphos> thanks
[04:07] <Thewarmachine> so ill stay away from it
[04:07] <Chaos615> can anyone help me with sending files via samba on a network
[04:07] <krystoff> not only have bold but something like flashing
[04:07] <Thewarmachine> but im out of ideas for mp3 cd burning
[04:07] <weilawei> krystoff, you CAN change anything you want
[04:08] <cafuego> apokryphos: See also /msg ubotu literal start a language war
[04:08] <weilawei> but WILL you?
[04:08] <scythe> the-dud, i prefer kde.... but kubuntu doesnt work as well as ubuntu on my laptop (still trying to figure that one out)
[04:08] <trevi> sorry Brian...can't help u...
[04:08] <brian__> ok maybe I should consult the forums
[04:08] <krystoff> ok weilawei do you know where i can find info about it
[04:08] <bimberi> Chaos615: I reckon you're better off controlling the process from the (ubuntu?) laptop
[04:08] <Thewarmachine> I mean kde is ok
[04:08] <Hrmmp> The !ping was to determine whether my messages were being /sent or not -- since I had got the ' *** [cannot]  join channel- You must have a registered nick (mode +R)' - but anyways
[04:08] <bimberi> Chaos615: Set up a share on XP, find it via Places -> Network Servers on ubuntu, transfer
[04:08] <weilawei> krystoff, i didn't say I knew. I meant you have the source code available to you
[04:08] <moparfan90> i have two computers with file sharing on. how do i open the files on another computer
[04:08] <moparfan90> ?
[04:08] <cafuego> Hrmmp: ubotu is just a bot, don't worry about it.
[04:08] <krystoff> oh ok i dunno C
[04:08] <brian__> thanks anyway
[04:08] <Thewarmachine> but perhaps im blaspheming but it seems too microsoftish
[04:09] <weilawei> krystoff, you'll learn real quick? ;)
[04:09] <Hrmmp> For some reason I thought auk was a bot too, but anyways
[04:09] <bob2> Thewarmachine: mp3burn does a very nice job
[04:09] <krystoff> lol weilawei
[04:09] <weilawei> s/lol/heh/
[04:09] <scythe> thewarmachine, no... it doesnt crash
[04:09] <cafuego> Hrmmp: if you have issues with specific users, type '/ignore <nickname>'
[04:09] <auk> krystoff: i am not sure what you mean, but... system > preferences > sounds > system bell ??
[04:09] <brian__> I am so new to linux and the like, Im scared
[04:09] <shadeofgrey> guys
[04:09] <shadeofgrey> i really need help
[04:10] <Hrmmp> No issues, don't worry of it
[04:10] <scythe> with what shade?
[04:10] <moparfan90> i have two computers on a network and want to have files go from one to he other. how do i do this?????????
[04:10] <bob2> instead of begging for help, ask a useful questoin
[04:10] <auk> auk is a bot
[04:10] <Thewarmachine> lol scythe
[04:10] <apokryphos> cafuego: hahaha, nice.
[04:10] <cafuego> auk: botsnack
[04:10] <bob2> it's way less annoying, and way more likely to get an answer
[04:10] <cafuego> auk: liar
[04:10] <krystoff> auk when someone is answering to my IM i dont find the way gnome treat it as well as kde...kde make the bar flashing
[04:10] <Thewarmachine> bob2 who are you talking to exactly?
[04:10] <brian__> ok I need to install a game
[04:11] <brian__> the game is called UT Goty
[04:11] <bob2> Thewarmachine: the world
[04:11] <trevi> don't be scare Brian...
[04:11] <apokryphos> ubotu: botsnack
[04:11] <ubotu> thanks apokryphos :)
[04:11] <apokryphos> I think he really likes me
[04:11] <moparfan90> i have two computers on a network and want to have files go from one to he other. how do i do this?????????
[04:11] <brian__> I just need to pointed in the right direction
[04:11] <auk> krystoff: that is what you want then
[04:11] <moparfan90> help me
[04:11] <krystoff> yes ?
[04:11] <the--dud> brian__, to be prefectly honest, games are the weakest side of linux
[04:11] <krystoff> i m gonna check tis
[04:11] <moparfan90> i have two computers on a network and want to have files go from one to he other. how do i do this?????????
[04:11] <krystoff> this
[04:11] <weilawei> UT!!
[04:11] <weilawei> Cube!
[04:11] <bob2> moparfan90: stop it
[04:11] <weilawei> Steam!
[04:11] <auk> krystoff, system > preferences > sounds > system bell
[04:11] <codecaine> anyone know how to compile a new kernel and not have to recompile modules already built in previous kernel (which is same version?)
[04:11] <bob2> weilawei: enough
[04:11] <scythe> can you do a remote mount  (something like mount -f ntfs 192.168.0.1/hda1 /media/winblowsshare)??
[04:11] <TennCyclist> when system locks up, any other options than a hard reset?
[04:11] <moparfan90> then some please help me
[04:11] <krystoff> ok thanks a lot
[04:11] <bob2> codecaine: that doesn't work
[04:11] <shadeofgrey> can somebody please take the time to help a newbie make a storage partition from a totally unallocated 2nd harddrive and make it into a storage partition for all my crap
[04:11] <codecaine> bob2, dang
[04:11] <bob2> moparfan90: then be quiet for 10 seconds
[04:11] <brian__> I'm not looking to play everything out there
[04:12] <brian__> just one
[04:12] <moparfan90> ok
[04:12] <cafuego> apokryphos: If it never freezes where he lives he may not have had the chace
[04:12] <shadyb> ok, so newb here, forgot username and password for new ubuntu install, can someone help?
[04:12] <the--dud> fucking hell, too much talk here >_<
[04:12] <Hrmmp> Need help -- I put Ubuntu on my laptop a few months ago . . . just as so much as to try it out . . . liked it (playing with Linux for the very first time) . . . and then I crashed it. X doesn't start now . . . I can get to terminal. Now, I just want to get the few existing files saved, and start with a a fresh new 5.04 (it has warthog right this very moment) so . . . question is, how can I get my things saved . . . I'm hoping I can 
[04:12] <bob2> moparfan90: enable file sharing on the windows side, and select "network serverts" from the location menu
[04:12] <bob2> shadeofgrey: which bit of my previous answer did you not understand?
[04:12] <moparfan90> both are ubuntu
[04:13] <bob2> moparfan90: then install samba on one of them
[04:13] <cafuego> moparfan90: scp file addressofothermachine:
[04:13] <auk> shadyb: fresh install, you say...? reinstall.
[04:13] <shadeofgrey> bob2:  i installed gparted and did it that way.  now i need to know how to mount the drive at bootup
[04:13] <shadyb> true, short of that?
[04:13] <moparfan90> i have samba on both
[04:13] <Thewarmachine> the--dud: lol but people need help
[04:13] <TennCyclist> when system locks up, cont/alt/delete doesnt work, what to do?
[04:13] <codecaine> bob2, what's easiest way to make sure modules from previous kernel can get recompiled and put into new kernel bootup?
[04:13] <bob2> shadeofgrey: look in /etc/fstab.  copy one of the lines and change the mount point and device correctly
[04:13] <cafuego> TennCyclist: hit reset
[04:13] <scythe> shadeofgrey, you want to edit /etc/fstab
[04:13] <bob2> codecaine: why are you compiling a new kernel?
[04:13] <scythe> dang you bob2, you type to quick
[04:13] <ttj> I'm trying to install, but ubuntu finds my wlan-adapter and tries to fetch packages using that interface, which doesn't work because I'm not on a WLAN :/ Is there any easy way to avoid this? Like remapping eth0 to refer to my ethernetadapter instead of my wlan?
[04:13] <auk> Hrmmp: you shoudl be proud of youself, you crashed linux'
[04:14] <brad[] > Hi, I'm using linux-wlan-ng and wondering if it integrates with the GUI in any way. Can it do this, or will I need to configure it manually?
[04:14] <codecaine> bob2, because the HZ = 1000 makes my processor buzz a bit because of acpi module
[04:14] <Computer__Guru> Hrmmp:  here's what you do. sudo pico /etc/apt/sources.list and change all instances of warty to hoary, then sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:14] <TennCyclist> is that only option, hard reset
[04:14] <codecaine> bob2, i have to change HZ = 100 like 2.4 kernel uses in param.h
[04:14] <bob2> codecaine: it's pretty non-trivial
[04:14] <Hrmmp> Yeah. I can crash quite a few things.
[04:14] <Computer__Guru> Hrmmp:  msg me
[04:14] <bob2> codecaine: apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.10, and build that
[04:14] <cafuego> codecaine: Then you need to recompile EVERYTHING
[04:14] <Hrmmp> It actually seemed hard to me not crashing Linux. YOu know?
[04:14] <ed1t> i have a folder in my /home directory but it says that i dont have access to it
[04:14] <scythe> brad, you might want to look at wifi radar
[04:14] <cafuego> codecaine: Including the modules.
[04:14] <scythe> just google for it
[04:14] <bob2> codecaine: but you'll lose all the external kernel modules (like the nvidia, ati and intel wireless ones)
[04:14] <Hrmmp> omgomg! a Computer__Guru! ^.^;; okies
[04:14] <moparfan90> bob2, i have samba on both... what do i do? and both are running ubuntu
[04:14] <bob2> Hrmmp: have you filed bugs?  are you sure your ram is ok?
[04:14] <codecaine> bob2, that's exactly what i lose ati and ipw2100
[04:15] <shad0w1e> hey anyone know how I can set up iptables to pass through an internet connection for eth0 to eth1 ?
[04:15] <bob2> moparfan90: as I already said ' and select "network serverts" from the location menu'
[04:15] <Hrmmp> Ram is okay, I think it's more the problem of the hard drive
[04:15] <bob2> shad0w1e: www.netfilter.org
[04:15] <Hrmmp> Had been getting weird messages from that
[04:15] <bob2> ed1t: and it's called?
[04:15] <drcode> hi all
[04:15] <drcode> I Need help
[04:15] <moparfan90> bob2, where is the location menu.
[04:15] <scythe> i think id rather have the ram issues
[04:15] <ed1t> bob2, downloads
[04:15] <codecaine> bob2, what's way to get those ati and ipw2100 source from previous kernel and recompile them?
[04:15] <bob2> moparfan90: places, at the top of your screen
[04:16] <ed1t> firefox 1.0.6 is still buggy...
[04:16] <bob2> codecaine: rebuild the linux-restricted-modules package
[04:16] <auk> drcode: ask, you might get an answer
[04:16] <bob2> codecaine: which is fairly non-trivial, too
[04:16] <drcode> is there possible to run vmware under windows and guest is ubuntu , and I want to use 3d acclartor?
[04:16] <codecaine> k
[04:16] <bob2> ed1t: then please file a bug
[04:16] <ed1t> when i download a file, it opens up a new firefox window
[04:16] <ed1t> k
[04:16] <bob2> drcode: no
[04:16] <cafuego> bob2: he could use module-assistant
[04:16] <scythe> anyone know if you can remote mount a partition over a network without using nfs like you can in solaris?
[04:16] <bob2> cafuego: does that work for l-r-m?
[04:16] <codecaine> bob2, you know what package ipw2100 is in, well let me look first, thanks
[04:16] <cafuego> bob2: I thought so, yes.
[04:16] <drcode> is there any other software that I Can run under windows and use ubuntu as gust with 3d acclartor?
[04:16] <bob2> scythe: you mean mounting a raw device?
[04:17] <cafuego> bob2: tha's to say, I'm faily sure it has fglrx and ipw2100 as options
[04:17] <shadyb> auk: short of re-install? what else?
[04:17] <auk> damn backports!!
[04:17] <scythe> no, as a fat, ntfs, or well any other valid format out there
[04:17] <bob2> codecaine: it's in the normal ubuntu kernel source
[04:17] <auk> shadyb: i don't know
[04:17] <codecaine> cafuego, what are u saying?
[04:17] <scythe> wait, what do you mean as raw device...
[04:17] <cafuego> codecaine: words
[04:17] <bob2> drcode: just run ubuntu properly if you want that
[04:17] <codecaine> bob2, it's also a package ipw2100-source
[04:17] <cafuego> codecaine: 'apt-get install module-assiatant; m-a'
[04:17] <codecaine> cafuego, thanks smart a$$ :)
[04:17] <bob2> scythe: then how on earth do you want to access it?
[04:18] <codecaine> cafuego, thx
[04:18] <drcode> k
[04:18] <cafuego> codecaine: try that...
[04:18] <bob2> codecaine: yes, but it's also in the kernel source
[04:18] <drcode> thnx
[04:18] <bob2> network block devices sound like a terrble idea
[04:18] <drcode> I Will do dule bot
[04:18] <drcode> boot
[04:18] <drcode> it support sata
[04:18] <codecaine> cafuego, use module-assistant to do what i need?
[04:18] <drcode> or I Need to install somthing ?
[04:18] <shadyb> if i can't remember my username or password from install, how do i find them out or get in to ubuntu?
[04:18] <cafuego> drcode: No, it will just work.
[04:18] <xzyt> qustion...does the package '3ddesktop' not work on ubuntu? i know its available for debian...but will it work on ubuntu?
[04:18] <ed1t> bob2, is there any pic viewer which supports .svg?
[04:18] <cafuego> drcode: only think is to make sure is you install windows first, then Linux
[04:19] <bob2> shadyb: select recovery mode fro the boot menu
[04:19] <concept10> azyyes
[04:19] <scythe> been a while, but when i was dealing with solaris (8)?? i could mount -t fat 192.168.0.1 /media/winblowspartition and have it work (or something like that)
[04:19] <bob2> shadyb: then run 'passwd yourusername'
[04:19] <moparfan90> bob2, this poped up "Sorry, couldn't display all the contents of "Windows Network: dgmvxk61"" what do i do??
[04:19] <bob2> ed1t: sodipodi and inkscape can
[04:19] <concept10> xzyt, Yes.. it works
[04:19] <bob2> moparfan90: did it work?
[04:19] <moparfan90> it said that it cant open all the files
[04:19] <bob2> scythe: you can use network block devices, but why?
[04:19] <moparfan90> "Sorry, couldn't display all the contents of "Windows Network: dgmvxk61""
[04:19] <bob2> moparfan90: yes, I know
[04:19] <bob2> moparfan90: DID. IT. WORK?
[04:20] <scythe> woo hoo!!!!!!!!!! 36k download speed!!! thats about 10 times faster than normal!!!
[04:20] <moparfan90> yes. and no
[04:20] <kgnally> okay, thats it
[04:20] <bob2> moparfan90: well, good luck
[04:20] <shadyb> bob2: i'm sorry, newb, do i type ('passwd yourusername') or w/o '
[04:20] <scythe> bob, just trying to refresh my brain... been stuck in windows for too long
[04:20] <moparfan90> you dont know what to do?   bob2
[04:20] <kgnally> I am going to be telling potewntial linux users from now on that the ATI drivers DO NOT WORK. Period.
[04:20] <bob2> shadyb: no quotes
[04:21] <bob2> moparfan90: extracting information from you is exceeding my patience, sorry
[04:21] <shadyb> thanx
[04:21] <bob2> kgnally: that would be an interesting lie
[04:21] <bob2> scythe: normally you'd just mount it and export it over nfs or coda or smb or ...
[04:21] <moparfan90> ok. i told you what you wanted..... what ever
[04:21] <scythe> not a lie, just his version of the truth
[04:21] <cafuego> kgnally: fglrx works fine on non-latest-kernel ia32 machines.
[04:21] <auk> !info gstreamer0.8-lame
[04:21] <bob2> scythe: if you run the network block device daemon on both, it should work
[04:22] <scythe> ahh, k
[04:22] <concept10> That was crazy
[04:22] <auk> stupid bot
[04:22] <kgnally> I don't much care that others have been able to get them working in certain distros; they are obviously using black fucking magic and other arcane rituals, because I have tried to install the ATI drivers in Mandrake, Debian, Fedora, Unbuntu, AND Slackware without any success at all!
[04:22] <cafuego> auk: ey?
[04:22] <cafuego> auk: Did it not find the package?
[04:22] <bob2> kgnally: so, perhaps your card is not supported yet
[04:22] <scythe> they ship with suse and work fine
[04:22] <kgnally> God DAMN I am PISSED OFF at ATI right now!!!! GRRRRR!!!
[04:23] <bob2> kgnally: what card do you have?
[04:23] <scythe> what card do you have kgnally
[04:23] <kgnally> It's an ATI Fracking 96fracking00!!!
[04:23] <scythe> agggghhh, bob2, you and your quick typing
[04:23] <concept10> Okay. settle down
[04:23] <calc> that works fine with xorg 2d drivers
[04:23] <calc> assuming you aren't running breezy
[04:23] <bob2> kgnally: and how sure are you that fireGL supports that at all?
[04:23] <calc> xorg in breezy is snafu
[04:23] <cafuego> kgnally: Those even work with the latest (LATEST) xorg drivers.
[04:23] <auk> cafuego; not, it gave me a dependency error
[04:24] <Thewarmachine> is there a 5.10 colony2 ubuntu?
[04:24] <tahorg> calc: breezy is for men.
[04:24] <scythe> calc, ill remember not to attempt to dl that one yet
[04:24] <auk> *no
[04:24] <cafuego> auk: It's in extras, isn't it?
[04:24] <kgnally> I have been trying to get these ATI drivers working for ******MORE THAN A YEAR***** on one distro or another and it ALWAYS fails, and I ALWAYS hear about other ppl getting them working properly and it's PISSING me OFF!
[04:24] <auk> yeah
[04:24] <bob2> Thewarmachine: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/5.10/
[04:24] <cafuego> auk: yes, they're not in the bot.
[04:24] <calc> tahorg: for men who can figure out where all the xorg binaries disappeared to
[04:24] <bob2> kgnally: chill out
[04:24] <kgnally> and I do mean always, by the way
[04:24] <concept10> kgnally, PEBKAC maybe?
[04:24] <bob2> Thewarmachine: note that brezzy is highly screwed, tho
[04:24] <calc> tahorg: since the packages now being shipped are empty
[04:24] <Razor-X> kgnally: then don't tell others that it doesen't work
[04:24] <kgnally> I have never had the ATI drivers just WORK like others have
[04:24] <scythe> head space and timing?
[04:24] <bob2> concept10: please don't exacerbate it
[04:24] <brad[] > I'm wondering if linux-wlan-ng integrates with the GUI in any way. Can it do this, or will I need to configure it manually?
[04:25] <auk> yeah, ubotu didn't know, but apt-et gave me a dependency error :(
[04:25] <auk> cafuego: *\
[04:25] <brad[] > The GUI being the network configuration control panel applet.
[04:25] <cafuego> kgnally: maybe you should get yourself a card that doesn't require the fglrx drivers, then.
[04:25] <bob2> brad[] : no, it's crap and has to be done manually
[04:25] <concept10> bob2, Okay bob2 :)
[04:25] <kgnally> nonono, I have followed the instructions verbatim every time!
[04:25] <tahorg> calc: xkbutils for example ?
[04:25] <bob2> it doesn't even intergrate into /etc/network/interfaces
[04:25] <spermie_411> how would i install this file : ? superkaramba-0.37-RC1.tar.gz
[04:25] <cafuego> kgnally: That sounds like it might be the best thing for everyone.
[04:25] <calc> tahorg: xbase-clients, xutils for two
[04:25] <kgnally> I'm about to abandon ATI entirely cafuego \
[04:25] <scythe> brad[]  look for wifi radar.... ive been able to configure my wifi card with it well enough
[04:25] <calc> tahorg: both don't depend on anything major and are empty
[04:25] <brad[] > bob2: D'oh, so I have to manually stick it in the bootup stuff? Are you familiar with wlan-ng?
[04:25] <cafuego> kgnally: a 9200 would work fine.
[04:25] <tahorg> calc: it was a pain to get Xorg back yes :)
[04:25] <calc> which makes it somewhat impossible to log into X
[04:25] <brad[] > bob2: Can I make it autoconnect to more than one wireless network at least?
[04:25] <scythe> but im using a ipw2200, so im not much help
[04:26] <apokryphos> spermie_411: untar it then compile from source
[04:26] <kgnally> cafuego, but I HAVE a 9600, and I'm TOLD the ATI drivers work in many linux distros
[04:26] <kgnally> last time, I had to install a patch, and PATCH the PATCH
[04:26] <bob2> brad[] : it's a massive pain in the ass
[04:26] <bob2> kgnally: stop it
[04:26] <calc> tahorg: not sure why the xorg maintainer is making so hard to get a working xorg on breezy? to encourage people to stop using ubuntu :)
[04:26] <auk> afuego: do youhave any ideas?
[04:26] <bob2> kgnally: file a bug and move on with your life
[04:26] <auk> *cafuego
[04:26] <cafuego> kgnally: I've never used them, so I wouldn't know. All ATI cards I have work fine with the free drivers.
[04:26] <calc> if he split the packages out he should know where they went for a depends: line
[04:26] <cafuego> auk: What is the depend error?
[04:26] <auk> gstreamer0.8-lame: Depends: liblame0 (>= 3.96.1-1) but it is not installable
[04:26] <shadeofgrey> okay guys i need help
[04:27] <bob2> brad[] : eh? more than one?
[04:27] <brad[] > bob2: Have you done it? I discovered specifying a blank SSID makes it pick up whatever network is closest, which is nice - I'm just trying to figure out how to make it try more than one WEP key
[04:27] <shadeofgrey> i made the partition but have no idea what to put in my fstab file
[04:27] <brad[] > bob2: Yeah like home WLAN/work WLAN
[04:27] <kgnally> Can someone tell me why I'm getting a virtual desktop without any such setting appearing in xorg.conf and no XF86Config-4 to deal with?\
[04:27] <bob2> brad[] : you'd need to script that yourself
[04:27] <cafuego> auk: Ok, so you need liblame0 from the hoary-extras or somesuch repository
[04:27] <shadeofgrey> so that the part. mounts at bootup
[04:27] <bob2> shadeofgrey: so, which part of my anser confused you?
[04:27] <brad[] > bob2: Hurf, ok (blasted laptops)
[04:27] <auk> cafuego: yeah, but where
[04:27] <auk> ?
[04:27] <bob2> I was very glad when I got a ipw2100
[04:27] <cafuego> !extras
[04:27] <ubotu> [extras]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories
[04:28] <cafuego> auk: See if it's listed there
[04:28] <shadeofgrey> bob2:  changing the device is what i dont understand
[04:28] <brad[] > bob2: Yeah looking at a new laptop myself - I'm just hoping the WLAN on a Ferarri 4005 isn't a pain
[04:28] <shadeofgrey> bob2: there are numbers off to the right on the line for my hda1 and switches i dont understand
[04:28] <bob2> shadeofgrey: you partitioned it and formatted it, presumably you know what device you were doing that too?
[04:28] <shadeofgrey> of course
[04:28] <cafuego> brad[] : If it's 802.11g there is a 90% chance it will be a pain (or not work at all)
[04:28] <bob2> shadeofgrey: then use the same values as the other lines do
[04:28] <codecaine> what do i do since xorg-fglrx-driver doesn't have a source package to recompile it?
[04:28] <concept10> How do I enable irda or check if it is enabled?
[04:28] <bob2> brad[] : look into that before handing over money
[04:29] <brian__> hi i just wanna play a game
[04:29] <bob2> codecaine: it's not a kernel driver
[04:29] <tahorg> calc: it seems that packages have been fragmented but the dependencies are not ok
[04:29] <brad[] > cafuego: Sweet! Probably it'll be a crapshoot with ndiswrapper
[04:29] <codecaine> ps -A | grep irda
[04:29] <cafuego> codecaine: You don't need to recompile the xorg-driver
[04:29] <brad[] > bob2: Yeah definitely
[04:29] <brian__> UT GOTY
[04:29] <cafuego> codecaine: You need the *kernel* driver
[04:29] <bob2> brian__: then paying for cdegea is probably your best option
[04:29] <scythe> atleast you can get your ipw2100 to talk to a network, my 2200 can be configured, but wont talk in my suse, my kubuntu will not allow me to activate the card, and ive been downloading ubuntu for 3 days....64 percent done
[04:29] <cafuego> !find fglrx
[04:29] <bob2> brian__: www.transgaming.com
[04:29] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'fglrx' (6 shown): fglrx-control ;; fglrx-kernel-source ;; xfree86-driver-fglrx ;; xfree86-driver-fglrx-dev ;; xorg-driver-fglrx ;; xorg-driver-fglrx-dev.
[04:29] <calc> tahorg: yea
[04:29] <brian__> beautigul thankyou
[04:29] <brian__> err
[04:29] <cafuego> codecaine: fglrx-kernel-source
[04:29] <brian__> thanks
[04:29] <codecaine> cafuego, agh thank you
[04:29] <brian__> many many thanks
[04:29] <concept10> codecaine, if that the name of the deamon?
[04:30] <bob2> it's not a daemon
[04:30] <bob2> it's a kernel thread
[04:30] <bob2> and the module almost certainly isn't loaded by default
[04:30] <concept10> what is the module?
[04:30] <bob2> go find your laptop on linuxlaptops.net or whatever
[04:30] <bob2> it's system-specific
[04:30] <scythe> newb question, whats the diff between a kernel thread and a module?
[04:30] <auk> cafuego: hmm, my repositories are the same as those on: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingMultimediaRepositories but, only fo rteh past week or so
[04:30] <Dr_Melectaus> im getting a wierd error when i try yo boot
[04:30] <concept10> bob2, okay, thanks
[04:30] <Dr_Melectaus> to**
[04:31] <Dr_Melectaus> buffer i/o error on hda1, logical block 7962784. error reasing (attempt to read blovk from file system resulted in short read) while doing inode scan.
[04:31] <bob2> scythe: module = driver
[04:31] <cafuego> scythe: A module is a file, a kernel thread is a part of a running kernel.
[04:31] <xzyt> what program is used to run a irc server in linux?
[04:31] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: the disk is in deep trouble
[04:31] <kgnally> Okay, let me start over: I have installed Unbuntu, and then installed the available updates. I downloaded check.sh from ATI and was told that it could not run. Undeterred, I realized I was running the latest Unbuntu distro, and tried to install the corresponding ATI driver. It appeared to work, but I now have a HUGE virtual desktop and no reference to ANY virtual desktop in xorg.conf. Does anyone know what's going on?
[04:31] <bob2> possibly only the partition table is corrupt
[04:31] <cafuego> xzyt: Whichever one you want. This network runs onn dancer-ircd.
[04:31] <bob2> kgnally: er, that's your whole problem?
[04:31] <Dr_Melectaus> there are about 20 sequential blocks with the same error bob2
[04:31] <xzyt> cafuego: thanks
[04:31] <bob2> kgnally: why on earth were you bitching so much earlier then?
[04:31] <kgnally> bob2: an unwelcome virtual desktop that I can't get rid of, yes
[04:31] <Dr_Melectaus> what kind of deep trouble bob2
[04:32] <tahorg> looks like 8139too is broken in 2.6.12-4-686 breezy
[04:32] <scythe> so a thread could be a driver that has been compiled into a monolithic kernel, a module is loaded as needed, not at kernel load?
[04:32] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: like "replace your disk" deep trouble
[04:32] <bob2> tahorg: file a bug
[04:32] <bob2> scythe: no
[04:32] <kgnally> because the ATI drivers NEVER EVER install correctly the first time around in linux, any distro
[04:32] <auk> kgnally: just curoius...can oyu move aroudn inside that desktop, like in the old 'viewports' of gnome?
[04:32] <cafuego> tahorg: Is it, or do you need 8139cp ?
[04:32] <bob2> scythe: the kernel thread thing is something entirely different
[04:32] <kgnally> auk: yes
[04:32] <bob2> kgnally: that just means the resolution is misconfigured
[04:32] <Dr_Melectaus> bob2, whats the actual prblom though? sounds nasty
[04:32] <auk> cool!
[04:32] <tahorg> cafuego: both are loaded, and it worked fine till 2.6.12-3
[04:32] <bob2> kgnally: it's set higher tha nthe card/monitor can handle, so X displays some portion and lets you scroll to the rest
[04:32] <kgnally> bob2: there's no way to reconfigure the resolution that I can find,m even in xorg.conf
[04:32] <bob2> kgnally: of course there is
[04:33] <cafuego> tahorg: Odd... it should pick one OR the other, not both (unless you have two different NICs)
[04:33] <bob2> kgnally: perhaps you need a custom modeline
[04:33] <auk> cafuego: did you see my last message?
[04:33] <kgnally> bob2: except that isn't true. My monitor CAN handle 1024x768! :)
[04:33] <bob2> if that is your only issue, that is the most ridiculous rant ever
[04:33] <cafuego> auk: [12:32]  <auk> cool!
[04:33] <auk> *third to last message
[04:33] <bob2> kgnally: then X isjust misconfigured
[04:33] <codecaine> kgnally, is your HZ too high?
[04:33] <Razor-X> !resolution
[04:33] <ubotu> somebody said resolution was at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:33] <codecaine> khz
[04:33] <bob2> kgnally: ask on the ubuntu-users mailing list and perhaps someone can show you the correct values
[04:33] <Dr_Melectaus> bob2, what should i say the problom is when i phone the insurance peeps
[04:33] <kgnally> codecaine, u mean my refresh rates?
[04:33] <Razor-X> ;)
[04:33] <cafuego> auk: Ah ok... hmm.. give it a day, see if the newer version gets uploaded.
[04:33] <codecaine> yes
[04:34] <auk> :(
[04:34] <scythe> how much of a pain is it to get 1280 X 768 in X?
[04:34] <codecaine> standard
[04:34] <Razor-X> !tell scythe about resolution
[04:34] <scythe> i can only seem to get 1024 X 768
[04:34] <Razor-X> if your resolution doesen't work
[04:34] <bob2> scythe: a kernel module is a driver that gets loaded into the kernel, and can then run. it can be loaded manually with modprobe, or automatically at boot by hotplug.  some of them, like the irda one, run a kernel thread, which is just a little program in the kernel
[04:34] <bob2> scythe: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:35] <kgnally> bob2, this is NOT an unbuntu problem, tis is a linux/ATI problem; I have had this issue since ATI had linux drivers
[04:35] <Dr_Melectaus> bob2, what should i say the problom is when i phone the insurance peeps
[04:35] <bob2> scythe: and don't forget to file a bug, ubuntu should have foun dit specifically
[04:35] <bob2> kgnally: that's awesome
[04:35] <scythe> thanks bob, on both info
[04:35] <codecaine> bob2, gotta say that's still a bit confusing the diff between the two
[04:35] <tahorg> oooodd
[04:35] <tahorg> I unload the module, reload, it work
[04:35] <kgnally> well I';m just sayin, I don't know how on Earth this can get fixed; it's happened over multiple distros
[04:35] <bob2> kgnally: if the only issue is the the resolution is too low, then it's almost certainly a trivial X misconfiguration
[04:35] <tahorg> works*
[04:35] <bob2> kgnally: awesome, so go ask people who know how to fix it
[04:36] <revelater> two questions, first, how do i access files on a windoze file server?
[04:36] <bob2> codecaine: do you know what a thread or a process is?
[04:36] <scythe> bob, it doesnt talk to my monitor well, cant get the info from dpms, never had the laptop give up the info to X
[04:36] <codecaine> bob2, yes
[04:36] <bob2> ouch
[04:36] <ttj> revelater: smbclient
[04:36] <kgnally> bob2, YES, but find it! And I've been asking on these channels for over a year, and people are getting tired of me asking
[04:36] <bob2> codecaine: a kernel thread is just a thread that runs in user space
[04:36] <ttj> or mount -t cifs/smb
[04:36] <bob2> kgnally: wow, maybe they're sick of your attitude?
[04:36] <Hrmmp> Okay, I actually just booted up the laptop . . . and I was mistaken -- even the "terminal" doesn't start. Only choice I have is to . . . restart, or run fsck . . . and I"ve ran fsck before, . . . this is just a big cycle
[04:36] <kgnally> it's making me bloody angry
[04:36] <bob2> kgnally: asking for complex help on irc is stupid
[04:36] <Razor-X> kgnally: have you checked ubotu's resolution thingie?
[04:37] <bimberi> revelater: Try finding it via Places -> Network Servers
[04:37] <bob2> kgnally: follow that wiki page, and if that doesn't work, try ubuntu-users
[04:37] <bob2> kgnally: if that doesn't work, find a user list on www.x.org
[04:37] <auk> how do you force a cd to eject?
[04:37] <IIIEars> kgnally - It is a pain. - You have the tools to fix it. - I undestand your impatience it should be simpler.
[04:37] <Razor-X> or even try googling your refresh rates
[04:37] <kgnally> bob2, BUT THAT'S THE THING; THIS SHOULD BE A VERY VERY VERY SIMPLE ISSUE
[04:37] <Razor-X> or try and find them out in Windows
[04:37] <kgnally> i KNOW HOW TO READ THE FILE, FOR gOD'S SAKE
[04:37] <codecaine> bob2, agh nevermind i think i put it together in my head the difference and makes sense
[04:37] <xzyt> if i wanted to add an extra hard drive to my machine that had a version of linux (debian) on it... any way to be able to physically install it and use a program to attach and reformat it?
[04:37] <revelater> bimberi: ?
[04:37] <kgnally> oops
[04:37] <Razor-X> kgnally: stop shouting
[04:37] <bob2> kgnally: if you're using the ubuntu ATI drivers, file a bug in bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[04:37] <scythe> auk, you might wish to try sudo eject /dev/hdc
[04:37] <kgnally> sorry, accident
[04:37] <jedix> when I use ctrl+shift_+(+ or -) to switch resolutions, how can I make the desktop the correct size and not oversized?
[04:37] <bob2> kgnally: jesus dude, no wonder you're getting no where
[04:37] <codecaine> bob2, just a program which gets embedded into the kernel and runs as a process, as compared to a driver.
[04:38] <kgnally> my finger slipped bob2
[04:38] <kgnally> I didn't mean tos hout
[04:38] <bob2> codecaine: it's usually part of a driver
[04:38] <Razor-X> kgnally: are you sure your refresh rates are correct?
[04:38] <Razor-X> try a google search on the monitor
[04:38] <bimberi> revelater: Try finding *the windows server* via Places -> Network Servers
[04:38] <scythe> but that doesnt really force it... but usually works for me when other things wont
[04:38] <bob2> codecaine: e.g. kacpid presumably comes from the acpi module and deals with acpi thingsa
[04:38] <kgnally> Razor-X, I tried changing them in xorg.conf, but there's no line given to do so
[04:38] <bob2> codecaine: but ksoftirqd is just part of the core kernel itself
[04:38] <tahorg> kgnally: there are *A LOT* of ressources for configuring X on the net
[04:39] <IIIEars> kgnally - sudo-dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and maybe a little googling for the values to enter in the cfg file WILL fix it.
[04:39] <Razor-X> kgnally: ......................................................................................................................
[04:39] <jedix> anyone?
[04:39] <bob2> kgnally: so, do what I said already and ask the correct people
[04:39] <kgnally> IIIEars, I did THAT too
[04:39] <bob2> jedix: don't use those keys
[04:39] <codecaine> bob2, so ksoftirqd is a thread?
[04:39] <auk> scythe: tahnk you
[04:39] <jedix> bob2: I want to change the res though
[04:39] <tahorg> kgnally: here on irc you won't find help for specific hardware
[04:39] <auk> *thank
[04:39] <bob2> jedix: use the gnome randr applet or the xrandr command
[04:39] <Razor-X> kgnally: if a line doesen't exist.... add it?
[04:39] <xzyt> anyone?
[04:39] <revelater> bimberi: i am not running gnome if thats what you are refering to...
[04:39] <bob2> jedix: yes, those keys don't do what you think they do
[04:39] <jedix> xrandr?
[04:39] <codecaine> bob2, or is kacpid a thread off of acpi mod?
[04:39] <bob2> xzyt: your question sucks
[04:39] <bimberi> revelater: k - misunderstood
[04:39] <bob2> xzyt: do you mean "can I hot plug it?" or "can I setup Debian on it after I plug it in?"?
[04:40] <bob2> codecaine: I think so, yes, t both
[04:40] <xzyt> :bob2 i want to be able to add it and erase it and add the volumes
[04:40] <bob2> codecaine: where they come from isn't that important, except for interest
[04:40] <kgnally> tahorg, I didn't realize the ATI Radeon 9600 Pro was a rare piece opf hardware; I thought it was supported by the driver /sarcasm
[04:40] <bob2> xzyt: of course that will work
[04:40] <xzyt> bob2: ok... um ... how?
[04:41] <bob2> xzyt: power down, plug it in, and come back
[04:41] <revelater> ttj: ok... i got smbclient, how do i connect now though?
[04:41] <calc> i use 9600 on my laptop and desktop
[04:41] <xzyt> bob2: so when i power back up..ubuntu will allow me to see that hd and erase and repartition it?
[04:41] <codecaine> bob2, how is it that you know if something is a module or if it's just a thread in the kernel, maybe that's what's confusing.  Sorry for making this complicated...
[04:41] <bob2> kgnally: feel free to /msg me when you've followed some of the suggestions here
[04:41] <bob2> xzyt: yup
[04:41] <calc> though i don't like binary only shit so i wouldn't know about issues with fglrx
[04:41] <ttj> revelater: Well, first you could do a smbclient -L to list your shares, but are you trying to access a specific windows share?
[04:42] <scythe> odd question, just for kicks, is it normal to have an upload twice the speed of your download when getting a bit torrent?
[04:42] <IIIEars> kgnally - ATI isn't terribly helpful to the developers writng hardware drivers.. that said, Your card is great and a lot of people use it with linux.
[04:42] <revelater> ttj: my main problem is this :
[04:42] <revelater> Unknown parameter encountered: "netbios"
[04:42] <revelater> Ignoring unknown parameter "netbios"
[04:42] <Razor-X> scythe: very normal
[04:42] <jedix> bob2: can I change the refresh rate somehow?
[04:42] <xzyt> bob2: ok thanks...but next please don't get so agitated and say my question sucks
[04:42] <bob2> jedix: yes, but not trivialy
[04:42] <scythe> whew, was almost worried there :)
[04:42] <bob2> xzyt: please ask more specific questions in future
[04:42] <tahorg> calc: (btw I've got X working back on breezy but I moved and ln'ed so many files that I can remember everything)
[04:42] <tahorg> can't
[04:42] <bob2> codecaine: they're completely seperate things
[04:42] <xzyt> bob2:i thought i was
[04:42] <jedix> bob2: I have my hdtv hooked up and want to be able to easily switch from 1080i to 720p
[04:43] <calc> tahorg: ok no problem
[04:43] <revelater> ttj: and i have a windows NT server machine, there is only one share i think
[04:43] <ttj> revelater: Ok, you could just mount that share, then
[04:43] <calc> i'll try using breezy on my laptop again in a few weeks
[04:43] <cs378> hello ppl
[04:43] <xzyt> bob2: ** any way to be able to physically install it and use a program to attach and reformat it?***
[04:43] <revelater> ttj: how would i go about it?
[04:43] <IIIEars> Hi cs378
[04:43] <crimsun> calc: you're just a glutton for punishment, eh? ;)
[04:43] <scythe> breezy still that bad?
[04:43] <bob2> jedix: ok
[04:43] <ttj> revelater: just create a directory, say /mnt/ntshare, and then mount -t smb /IP-to-windowsmachine/sharename /mnt/ntshare
[04:43] <scythe> when is it due for release?
[04:43] <bob2> jedix: I'd run two seperate X servers, myself
[04:43] <bob2> scythe: october
[04:43] <calc> crimsun: i didn't realize that ubuntu was going to be this fscking volatile, debian was never nearly this unstable when i used it for ~ 7 years :)
[04:44] <bob2> scythe: 5.10 = 2005 october
[04:44] <ttj> revelater: /mnt/ntshare should contain your files
[04:44] <scythe> ahh, they have time then, well a little at least
[04:44] <revelater> ttj: i will try that right now
[04:44] <codecaine> calc, don't get the two confused; secondly breezy is frigging unstable right now in development
[04:44] <crimsun> calc: mmm 'splosions :)
[04:44] <ajmitch> calc: that's why ubuntu is more fun - more breakage in less time
[04:44] <REds> mount -t smb /ip-of-windows/share_name /mnt/source_dir
[04:44] <IIIEars> scythe - it takes a lot of sweat equity to configure it. - release date is scheduled for october.
[04:44] <scythe> lol
[04:44] <one> I freshly installed Ubuntu now I need to install ndiswrapper and it is asking me where are the kernel sources located?
[04:44] <ryan_> if i wanted to view files on another networked computer, how would i do it in terminal?
[04:44] <one> Where are kernel sources located on a fresh ubuntu install?
[04:45] <REds> ./usr/src ?
[04:45] <codecaine> one, /usr/src
[04:45] <cafuego> one: Nowhere until you install them.
[04:45] <one> Reds: all that is there is 'rpm'
[04:45] <cafuego> one: install and run 'module-assistant'.
[04:45] <one> only thing that exists is /usr/src/rpm
[04:45] <cs378> i went to see whats installed, n gcc is installed, but i still cant use gcc foo.cpp
[04:45] <IIIEars> ryan_ - Openssh or telnet (Eww don't use it)
[04:45] <scythe> ryan, mount the remote directory... then browse to the place you mounted it, just like any other folder
[04:45] <one> so do i need to download linux-2.6.10.tar.gz
[04:45] <one> ?
[04:45] <cafuego> one: install and run 'module-assistant'.
[04:45] <REds> one ye /usr/src/linux (kernel) prob isnt there by default, u can download it
[04:45] <one> how do i install module-assistant
[04:45] <REds> even via the update-manager i think
[04:45] <IIIEars> Openssh works nicely
[04:46] <cafuego> one: Open a terminal, 'sudo apt-get install module-assistant'
[04:46] <ryan_> thanks IIIEars
[04:46] <one> I dont have internet access
[04:46] <REds> sudo update-manager even cafuego
[04:46] <one> until i get ndiswrapper working
[04:46] <one> will it still work?
[04:46] <REds> sorry
[04:46] <scythe> ouch
[04:46] <cafuego> one: Do you have the CD?
[04:46] <revelater> ttj: unkown filetype 'smb' ?
[04:46] <one> yes i have the CD
[04:46] <codecaine> cafuego, module-assistant worked great for me however it didnt pick up fglrx driver is that cause it's not a kernel module?
[04:46] <scythe> one... you should still be able to get the source from cd
[04:46] <cafuego> one: Just give it a try then
[04:46] <revelater> ttj: filesystem i mean
[04:46] <ttj> revelater: filetype?
[04:46] <one> Okay wheres the source from the cd?
[04:47] <calc> codecaine: well there is a difference in uploading unstable and known broken shit to a repo
[04:47] <ttj> revelater: Ok, try -t cifs
[04:47] <calc> i didn't realize ubuntu unstable was in the latter category until recently
[04:47] <cafuego> one: Run a package manager and find the source in that, then install it.
[04:47] <codecaine> calc, i see
[04:47] <scythe> you should still be able to apt-get it one... the cd is probably in your sources list
[04:47] <revelater> ttj: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /192.168.2.11/Documents,
[04:47] <codecaine> calc, its all over the ubuntu page saying how unstable and what not
[04:47] <one> scthe so apt-get install module-assistant?
[04:47] <one> What will that do ?
[04:48] <calc> codecaine: f.e. xbase-utils xutils being empty with no new packages in the Depends: line
[04:48] <revelater> ttj: can i mount it as ntfs?
[04:48] <calc> codecaine: i made the mistake of assuming ubuntu unstable was of similar quality as debian unstable
[04:48] <scythe> well, sudo apt-get install yadayadayada... yuppers, it SHOULD work
[04:48] <codecaine> calc, i see :)
[04:48] <one> Cafuego you mean find the .deb of ndiswrapper?
[04:48] <cafuego> calc: it is
[04:48] <one> instead of building from source?
[04:48] <IIIEars> !apt-get
[04:48] <ubotu> somebody said apt-get was at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/
[04:48] <cafuego> calc: Debian unstable is going to be horrid now that Etch is out.
[04:48] <ttj> revelater: no, not if its shared through samba
[04:48] <cafuego> s/Etch/Sarge/
[04:49] <ttj> revelater: sounds odd though, works completely fine for me
[04:49] <codecaine> cafuego, module-assistant works good for ipw2100 but didnt pickup fglrx driver is that because its not a kernel module?
[04:49] <scythe> why do i keep reading !(fill in the blank) as do not (fill in the blank)
[04:49] <weilawei> cafuego, it is horrid right now
[04:49] <scythe> :)
[04:49] <calc> cafuego: debian never broke to even nearly this extent in the 7+ years i have used it
[04:49] <one> what is module assistant for anyways
[04:49] <codecaine> cafuego, etch is one of the maintainers?
[04:49] <revelater> ttj: i am not sure i have smbclient working though
[04:49] <weilawei> etch is a release
[04:49] <weilawei> the testing release currently
[04:49] <cafuego> calc: You must not have tried hard enough. Go and find some docs of when pam got broken.
[04:49] <calc> unless it has recently since i stopped using sid
[04:49] <calc> cafuego: pam breakage was easy to work around
[04:49] <one> what is module assistant for anyways
[04:50] <cafuego> calc: and 400 people an hour went onto irc asking why they couldn'tl og in.
[04:50] <calc> cafuego: there are no repos to grab old working versions of ubuntu unstable debs for example
[04:50] <calc> cafuego: before that in early 1999 perl broke for a day
[04:50] <bob2> one: building modules...
[04:50] <cafuego> calc: Not for a lot of people who thought they were clever enough to run Sid.
[04:50] <one> ok
[04:50] <bob2> PAM broke once
[04:50] <calc> cafuego: in ubuntu case xorg has been in unusably broken state for several weeks now
[04:50] <revelater> bob2: the cooking spray?
[04:50] <scythe> lol
[04:50] <calc> with no where to grab the old debs
[04:50] <deprave[tm] > when you install ubuntu and it finds a dial-up modem will it automaticly set /dev/modem to point to it?
[04:51] <codecaine> cafuego, did u read my msg ?
[04:51] <cafuego> calc: Well, this has been well documented and even the topic here states to not use Breezy.
[04:51] <bob2> deprave[tm] : doubt it
[04:51] <bob2> probing for modems during install'd be a bit wasteful
[04:51] <calc> yea i guess i'll reinstall sid on the box, i really need to upload updated versions of my packages anyway
[04:51] <scythe> yes!!! ill have my dvd in like 8 hours, im so excited!!!
[04:51] <weilawei> The are requirements for running sid: Either a) You are decently proficient with Linux and b) don't mind saving your own ass OR c) You are stupid enough and d) are prepared to withstand a flaming when you whine in IRC
[04:51] <cafuego> calc: Mind you, Xorg works fine on my breezy box.
[04:51] <one> im not too fond of Gnome is there a way I can make Ubuntu start fluxbox?
[04:51] <deprave[tm] > bob2: yeah, it detected the modem, name and whatnot, but /dev/modem doesn't point to it, and on x when i go to the networking utility and probe for the location it doesn't find it.
[04:52] <deprave[tm] > but it shows it in the device manager
[04:52] <crimsun> one: just install fluxbox, then choose it in GDM's Session menu
[04:52] <bob2> deprave[tm] : no need to use that tool
[04:52] <one> okay
[04:52] <bob2> deprave[tm] : just 'sudo pppconfig' and 'sudo pon' to connect
[04:52] <calc> cafuego: how did you get around all the missing binaries issue?
[04:52] <cafuego> calc: symlinks
[04:52] <calc> cafuego: or did you just hold all of xorg weeks ago?
[04:52] <deprave[tm] > no configuration needed or i can make a a script for it?
[04:52] <cafuego> calc: .. and installed the missing depends by hand, after checking the mailing list.
[04:52] <calc> cafuego: so where is sessreg on your box?
[04:53] <cafuego> calc: I haven't updated this past week.
[04:53] <calc> the currently open bug on xutils says that the files don't exist anywhere
[04:53] <cafuego> calc: sessreg is bloody broken anyway <heh>
[04:53] <one> hey any time you use apt get it installs from the net right?
[04:53] <desrt> calc; xutils is borked atm.,
[04:53] <bob2> one: depends how it's configured
[04:53] <codecaine>  one, unless you got cd enabled in sources.list
[04:53] <one> I need ndiswrapper-utils, unfortunately i cannot apt get it
[04:53] <cafuego> it logs remote access from russia, it might as well not exist at all.
[04:53] <desrt> xrdb, mkfontdir, xset, xkb*, sessreg, all missing....
[04:53] <scythe> not always... one it can install from cd it it ... what codecaine said
[04:53] <one> confusing im not used to debian ive used slack for 10 years
[04:54] <calc> desrt: yea, xbase-clients can be worked around if you know what to install, but xutils is totally gone
[04:54] <one> In order to get internet to work I need ndiswrapper
[04:54] <codecaine> one, why did u switch?
[04:54] <one> can I just download the .deb?
[04:54] <nJess> question, how long to compile the most recent kernel on a p3 1ghz?
[04:54] <deprave[tm] > another question is it possible to get aol to dialup on linux?
[04:54] <codecaine> one, its in repos yeah
[04:54] <one> Codecaine: Because my laptops graphics (radeon9700) wont work on slack
[04:54] <one> they work really well on ubuntu
[04:54] <cafuego> calc: So you temporarily install the previous version, which you didn't trash from /var/acache/apt/archives
[04:54] <one> slack + fglrx = poop
[04:54] <scythe> njess... you may just want to go get a cup of coffee... in brazil
[04:54] <scythe> :)
[04:54] <nJess> one, it is in the hoary kernel already
[04:54] <one> njess : what is?
[04:55] <cafuego> nJess: Depends entirely on what features you enable in the kernel.
[04:55] <nJess> sudo apt-get ndiswrapper-utils
[04:55] <nJess> and then you should be done
[04:55] <one> so i dont need internet connection
[04:55] <one> ?
[04:55] <revelater> what program do i use to get an email server up and running?
[04:55] <codecaine> one, no
[04:55] <one> ok
[04:55] <nJess> cafuego, i just compiled the source directly
[04:55] <codecaine> revelater, bunch of different options, i use postfix and cyrus
[04:55] <nJess> :/
[04:55] <scythe> one... your talking on a net connection, why not ftp to a repository... and download it and install it later?
[04:56] <bob2> revelater: depends what you want it to do
[04:56] <thechitowncubs> Hey guys, I'm having a problem with my sisters computer and its here so I can troubleshoot it. The problem seems to be that the gdm can't start, the cursor shows up, so that sort of shows that X is starting but after that nothing happens.
[04:56] <one> Scythe im in my windows xp os right now
[04:56] <revelater> codecaine: simple email server
[04:56] <bob2> revelater: which you need to define very carefully
[04:56] <one> thats how im on the internet
[04:56] <one> I need to get it working on my linux
[04:56] <one> i need ndiswrapper-utils to get my internet working in linux, I tried downloading the .tar.gz source but it wants kernel sources and I dont have any
[04:56] <nJess> one, your ethernet port doesn't work?
[04:56] <Computer__Guru> thechitowncubs:  well, i was gonna say it sounds like a lock file leftover, but if you see a cursor, i doubt that';s it
[04:56] <codecaine> revelater, there are bundles like the smp server or whatever that is based off redhat that has that all built together and configures through web gui
[04:56] <one> nJess : Tied to ndiswrapper too
[04:56] <one> Im using a Dell Inspiron
[04:56] <codecaine> revelater, forget the actual name though
[04:57] <one> its unsupported broadcom
[04:57] <scythe> thumbdrive, cd, dvd, minidisc, floppy, mount a ntfs partition in linux, there are many ways to get the file to the os once it is downloaded
[04:57] <nJess> bah
[04:57] <Computer__Guru> rpm is evil.
[04:57] <nJess> the only thing that doesn't work out of the box on my acer is the wireless
[04:57] <thechitowncubs> Computer__Guru: the last task that was being done on the computer was a cd burn in graveman... and I'm not familiar with what a lock file is so...
[04:57] <ryan_> For some reason, my ubuntu machine isnt resoving urls' or even ip's. it gets the internet from another machine (connection to the net is bridged- or should be )
[04:57] <nJess> and i can just wait for linux drivers i suppose
[04:57] <revelater> bob2: one that receives mail sent to say... bob@bobsthename.com and sends it to bobs computer
[04:57] <one> Scythe I can get the file to the OS.... but when i try to make the sources of ndiswrapper it asks for path to kernel sources
[04:57] <ryan_> ive got file shareing working
[04:57] <ryan_> but i cant get the dam internet
[04:57] <one> I just transfer it from my mounted ntfs partition
[04:57] <bob2> revelater: no sending of mail?
[04:57] <Computer__Guru> thechitowncubs:  type "ls -la /tmp/.X*"
[04:57] <ryan_> and i aint got a clue whats wrong
[04:57] <Computer__Guru> thechitowncubs:  then delete that file
[04:58] <revelater> bob2: well, yeah that too
[04:58] <Computer__Guru> and try again.. its worth a shot
[04:58] <thechitowncubs> Sounds good, I'll check it out
[04:58] <thechitowncubs> .
[04:58] <one> So if i do sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils Do i need internet access or no:?
[04:58] <scythe> then you end up playing in dependancy hell, and doing a lot of rebooting
[04:58] <bob2> revelater: postfix, in internet with satellite mode
[04:58] <one> BEcause i dont have internet
[04:58] <revelater> bob2: this bob is in no way related to you
[04:58] <SLSneak> Hello! I'm confused. My headphone connetor doesn't work in ubuntu. Works in windows. Didn't think that was even possible...
[04:58] <bimberi> one: yes
[04:58] <bob2> revelater: then setup a transport table
[04:58] <ryan_> anyone?
[04:58] <taboo_> hello there!
[04:58] <deprave[tm] > so there is no way to associate this modem with a device path like /dev/modem for when my dialup software requests it?
[04:58] <revelater> bob2: tranport table?
[04:58] <one> Bimberi : How do i get ndiswrapper-utils on this machine? Can i download the *.deb?
[04:58] <bob2> revelater: install postfix for a start
[04:58] <bimberi> one: is it a dual boot?
[04:59] <bob2> deprave[tm] : sure there is, make the symlink yourself
[04:59] <one> will this work -----> dpkg -i --force-all ndiswrapper-utils.deb
[04:59] <one> if i find the .deb?
[04:59] <revelater> bob2: why does it want to remove exim?
[04:59] <deprave[tm] > bob2: should i bother asking how or can you direct me to a guide to figure out how to do it myself, sir?
[04:59] <one> bimberi yeah
[04:59] <ryan_> For some reason, my ubuntu machine isnt resoving urls' or even ip's. it gets the internet from another machine (connection to the net is bridged- or should be )
[04:59] <bimberi> one: hopefully you won't need the --force-all
[04:59] <lucaz__> Im using warty, with gnome 2.8.1. How can I update only the gnome env to 2.10?
[04:59] <ryan_> ive got file shareing working
[04:59] <bob2> revelater: how many MTAs do you want installed at once?
[04:59] <one> Okay ill try to find the .deb
[04:59] <ryan_> but i cant get the dam internet
[04:59] <revelater> MTA?
[04:59] <bob2> ryan_: then obviously it's internet connection is not setup correctly
[05:00] <bimberi> one: download the deb from here http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/misc/ndiswrapper-utils
[05:00] <bob2> revelater: mail transport agent
[05:00] <ryan_> bob2, ive been thru all the settings
[05:00] <revelater> bob2: one probably
[05:00] <bob2> deprave[tm] : sudo ln -s /dev/ttyS0 /dev/modem
[05:00] <cafuego> lucaz__: You could upgrade to hoary.
[05:00] <bob2> revelater: there you go
[05:00] <ryan_> and i cant find whats changed
[05:00] <scythe> do you have the gateway and routing set up right on both boxes ryan?
[05:00] <cs378> time to switch to kubuntu again brb
[05:00] <bimberi> one: then boot into ubuntu, mount the windows partition, and install the deb
[05:00] <bob2> ryan_: it used to work?
[05:00] <lucaz__> I dont wanna upgrade to hoary, only the gnome, can be done?
[05:01] <bob2> lucaz__: not reliably
[05:01] <ryan_> bob2, yes
[05:01] <cafuego> lucaz__: maybe with backports; but by the time you do gnome you've upgraded more than half of the system *anyway*
[05:01] <bob2> ryan_: what did you change since it last worked?
[05:01] <ryan_> i was on the net browseing, then all of a sudden it stopped resolving urls's
[05:01] <kyncani> lucaz__: why don't you want to upgrade to hoary ?
[05:01] <bimberi> one: by the look of you won't need the --force-depends (dependencies are libc6 and perl)
[05:01] <scythe> would apt-get upgrade gnome work?, would it be reliable? would i be in dependancy hell?
[05:01] <ryan_> i thought it was dns or something
[05:01] <jasoncohen> i'm trying to resize /home (an ext3 partition) but first i must unmount it. fuser -m shows many processes with c after the #. how do i kill these?
[05:01] <cafuego> scythe: It would give you an apt error.
[05:01] <revelater> bob2: so satellite system is just a middle man?
[05:01] <bob2> ryan_: is /etc/resolv.conf correct?
[05:01] <ryan_> but it wouldnt even ping IP's
[05:01] <scythe> ryan, can ypu ping past the gateway?
[05:01] <jasoncohen> or do they not represent processes?
[05:01] <thechitowncubss> Computer__Guru: what was that command?
[05:01] <lucaz__> no, I wanna keep this version
[05:02] <bob2> jasoncohen: you'll need to logout, for a start
[05:02] <thechitowncubss> ls -al /tmp/.X* ?
[05:02] <cafuego> lucaz__: Any particular reason?
[05:02] <scythe> ok, thanx cafuego
[05:02] <deprave[tm] >  bob2: annotated, thanks. that network locating device that dealt with lans and modems didn't detect anything on /dev/ttys0
[05:02] <one> where can i find ndiswrapper-utils.deb
[05:02] <one> ?
[05:02] <ryan_> i can ping the machine thats meant to bridge the connection scythe
[05:02] <scythe> can you ping past it?
[05:02] <bob2> deprave[tm] : yes, I'd not bother with that tool and instead use the commands I suggsted earlier
[05:02] <ryan_> nope
[05:02] <bob2> ryan_: you can't ping a bridge
[05:02] <bimberi> one: download the deb from here http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/misc/ndiswrapper-utils
[05:02] <bob2> that's the point
[05:02] <cafuego> ryan_: On the router box, run 'sudo sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1'
[05:02] <bob2> if you can, it's not a bridge
[05:03] <jasoncohen> bob2, how is one supposed to go about resizing partitions? i tried doing it from the hoary live cd with no partitions mounted including swap on /dev/hda and it failed with some error about not understanding /dev/mapper/...
[05:03] <ryan_> no, the machine that bridges the connection from the internet
[05:03] <lucaz__> cause I got to many tools for development, and I dont wanna take the risk of the dependencies probl
[05:03] <bob2> don't use the word bridge
[05:03] <cafuego> ryan_: it's a router, not a bridge.
[05:03] <scythe> can you ping the external interface, or just the internal
[05:03] <bob2> it has a specific meaning in networking
[05:03] <ryan_> cafuego, the machine that your referring to uses dows
[05:03] <jasoncohen> bob2, i didn't understand the error since that partition was not on /dev/hda or on any HD
[05:03] <scythe> do you have nat running
[05:03] <bob2> lucaz__: are they from ubuntu?
[05:03] <cafuego> lucaz__: There isn't a dependancy problem with Hoary, it's a stable release.
[05:03] <ryan_> its a pc cafuego
[05:03] <jasoncohen> bob2, how should i resize /home?
[05:03] <ryan_> i use a cat5 crossover
[05:03] <one> so all ill need to do is dpkg -i that .deb file right?
[05:03] <cafuego> ryan_: Yes, a PC which routes. So it's a router. Not a bridge.
[05:03] <kyncani> lucaz__: apt-get dist-upgrade --dry-run will tell you if there are any dependency problem
[05:03] <revelater> bob2: umm Satallite system looks like its only for networks?
[05:04] <one> Bimberi : All i need to do is dpkg -i <package>.de
[05:04] <bob2> jasoncohen: are you sure what you want to do is supported by parted?
[05:04] <one> deb
[05:04] <ryan_> fair enough then cafuego !_!
[05:04] <bimberi> one: yes
[05:04] <lucaz__> I got to many tarballs version and stuffs...
[05:04] <kyncani> lucaz__: (and there aren't)
[05:04] <one> Okay ill let you know how it worked
[05:04] <bob2> revelater: you said you want to be able to send mail
[05:04] <jasoncohen> bob2, all i wanted to do was shrink an unmounted ext3 partition
[05:04] <bimberi> one: k - good luck :)
[05:04] <cafuego> ryan_: Technical terms, but they mean there are different solutions
[05:04] <scythe> ryan, are you doing network address translation?
[05:04] <lucaz__> but, it could be , Im not sure yet :)
[05:04] <bob2> jasoncohen: does ext3 support shrinking?
[05:04] <revelater> bob2: right, can't it act like the normal internet email servers?
[05:04] <jasoncohen> bob2, gparted says it can create, grow, shrink and copy an ext3 partition
[05:05] <bob2> jasoncohen: ok
[05:05] <jasoncohen> so long as it is unmounted
[05:05] <ryan_> scythe, im not sure what that means
[05:05] <ryan_> im a bit of a noob
[05:05] <kyncani> lucaz__: well, tarball versions is evil. Hope keeping warty won't bring you much more trouble than upgrading smoothly between ubuntu versions ... because you _will_ have to upgrade at some point. Be it hoary or breezy or the next version.
[05:05] <bob2> jasoncohen: then logout, make a new user, set their homedir to /var/tmp/ or something, and login as them
[05:05] <bob2> jasoncohen: then umount it and do whatever
[05:05] <jasoncohen> the problem on the hoary live cd had something to do with parted not understanding LVM most likely
[05:05] <lucaz__> and how long does it takes??
[05:05] <jasoncohen> bob2, ok, thanks
[05:05] <bob2> jasoncohen: you're using lvm?
[05:05] <revelater> bob2: basically i want something like yahoo, but with pop3 like access
[05:05] <bimberi> one: make sure you've had a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper as well
[05:05] <scythe> does your computer that cant talk to the net have a 192.168.0.x address, or a 10.x.x.x address?
[05:05] <bob2> revelater: this is what I meant about defining what you want, btw ;)
[05:06] <ryan_> scythe, the router is under that ip
[05:06] <kyncani> lucaz__: to make the upgrade ?
[05:06] <jasoncohen> bob2, what about / ? i tried resizing my / partition in the live cd with everything unmounted. that's where i got the /dev/mapper error
[05:06] <lucaz__> kyncani, you are right..
[05:06] <ryan_> x=2
[05:06] <lucaz__> kyncani, yes..
[05:06] <ryan_> 1** even
[05:06] <thechitowncubss> Where can I learn how to create a cd from the command line?
[05:06] <revelater> bob2: sorry
[05:06] <jasoncohen> bob2, i think the live cd uses some form of LVM for the / partition. it's on /dev/mapper/something off of RAM
[05:06] <bob2> jasoncohen: are you using lvm?
[05:06] <SLSneak> revelater, gmail has pop3 access, has it not?
[05:06] <scythe> you are using a private address... you are using address translation
[05:06] <bob2> jasoncohen: er, ew
[05:06] <jasoncohen> bob2, not on my installed system
[05:06] <scythe> slsneak, yes it does
[05:07] <bob2> revelater: figure out exactly what you want, and it's prbably not very hard to do
[05:07] <kyncani> lucaz__: 15 minutes manipulation / reading. Maybe two hours upgrading depending on your connection speed, disk speed, ...
[05:07] <revelater> SLSneak: i need something other then gmail
[05:07] <ryan_> scythe, could we do this in om please, makes it easier (if thats alright with you)
[05:07] <scythe> the computer that is providing the connection, can it surf the net?
[05:07] <kyncani> lucaz__: you will spend more time making sure your tarball versions work
[05:07] <scythe> not a problem ryan
[05:07] <lucaz__> kyncani, heheh, right..
[05:07] <kyncani> lucaz__: and try to find packages if they are available to replace your manually compiled progs/libs
[05:07] <ZibiKebir> i installed drivers linux-wlan-ng for my wireless card, but then it tells me that the device doesnt exist
[05:07] <revelater> bob2: yeah, ok so i need a full on web based email server with pop3 access
[05:07] <ZibiKebir> what do i do
[05:08] <bob2> ZibiKebir: did you load the module?
[05:08] <ZibiKebir> yh
[05:08] <bob2> revelater: install postfix, configure it to use your isp's smart host
[05:08] <sorush20> have you guys checked out the gentoo room its like.. fortified with oporators... and I just got kicked..
[05:08] <kyncani> lucaz__: the point is that upgrading from warty to hoary is well-tested and a small step. If you keep warty now, the upgrade in 6 months or one year is much more risky ...
[05:08] <bob2> revelater: then install dovecot
[05:09] <bob2> revelater: or are you planning to do mail for multiple domains or people who don't have local accounts?
[05:09] <lucaz__> kyncani, just use apt-get dist-upgrade?
[05:09] <skalpel> can someone help me install quicktime on my computer/
[05:09] <revelater> bob2: one domain
[05:09] <bob2> lucaz__: wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[05:09] <kyncani> lucaz__: basically, plus one step or two. There is a page for that on the ubuntu web site
[05:09] <lucaz__> right
[05:09] <bob2> skalpel: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:09] <revelater> bob2: what do you mean by local accounts?
[05:09] <kyncani> lucaz__: like bob2 said :)
[05:10] <bob2> revelater: everyone with a mail account will be able to ssh in?
[05:10] <revelater> bob2: i want them to pop3 in
[05:10] <bob2> revelater: yes, they can do that fine
[05:10] <kyncani> lucaz__: better make a small upgrade when you're ready than a big upgrade when you have no other choice
[05:10] <revelater> bob2: although they have access they do not know how to use a linux machine :P
[05:11] <bob2> revelater: if you're just giving accounts to people on foo.bar.com so they can get mail at user@foo.bar.com. then it's easy
[05:11] <bob2> revelater: that's cool
[05:11] <kyncani> lucaz__: (my opinion))
[05:11] <lucaz__> and , I could let upgrading and, take a nap for example, back here in brasil it 00:00 : ), it will not 'crash' or something? :)
[05:11] <bob2> revelater: then install squirrelmail, and configure it (read /usr/share/doc/squirrelmail)
[05:11] <bob2> revelater: and it should all work
[05:11] <kyncani> lucaz__: no.
[05:11] <kyncani> :)
[05:11] <revelater> bob2: so under mail name i would use for instance fritztheprinter.com?
[05:12] <jasoncohen> bob2, good suggestion. i'm now logged in as temp with my home in /var/tmp/temp and i was able to unmount /home without issue
[05:12] <ZibiKebir> bob2: can you help me with that
[05:12] <bob2> revelater: if that's what you want mail sent and received as, yes
[05:12] <jasoncohen> bob2, though that doesn't leave me many choices for /. perhaps i need a knoppix livecd to resize
[05:12] <bob2> jasoncohen: you won't be able do that without some other system to boot from, yeah
[05:12] <bob2> unless yo udid some horrible pivot_root hack
[05:12] <bob2> hmm
[05:12] <bob2> ZibiKebir: no, sorry
[05:13] <bob2> ZibiKebir: try asking on the mailing lixst, I guess
[05:13] <jasoncohen> bob2, i don't understand why ext3 can't be resized live like ext2.
[05:13] <ZibiKebir> where is that at
[05:13] <jasoncohen> or why the hoary live cd wouldn't let me resize an unmounted partition on a disk with no partitions mounted
[05:13] <bob2> ZibiKebir: ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com
[05:13] <bob2> jasoncohen: you could remount it as ext2
[05:13] <skalpel> can someone help me with this error?
[05:13] <skalpel> E: Couldn't find package jave-package
[05:13] <bob2> live resizing of / would make me very nervous, tho
[05:13] <scythe> what is the cmd line for getting the config of a network interface
[05:14] <bob2> ip a
[05:14] <skalpel> i did an update, per instructions on wiki
[05:14] <skalpel> and i still get that error
[05:14] <scythe> i cant do a ifstatus
[05:14] <jasoncohen> bob2, i read that i could remove the journal, mount as ext2, resize, create a journal and mount as ext3
[05:14] <bob2> scythe: "ip a" or ifconfig
[05:14] <scythe> thanx
[05:14] <lucaz__> kyncani, ok ok, Im convinced..
[05:14] <bob2> jasoncohen: right, as long as it's clean
[05:14] <bimberi> skalpel: java-package (ie. a typo)?
[05:14] <skalpel> thankyou
[05:15] <bimberi> np :)
[05:15] <jasoncohen> bob2, next time i'll try a knoppix cd rather than a hoary live-cd. gparted doesn't like LVM
[05:15] <bob2> that's bizarre that lvm is involved atll
[05:15] <robotgeek> how do i mount stuff as a a normal user?
[05:15] <ttj> how do I change the gtk theme? the "load file"-dialogs and such look seriously ugly :/
[05:16] <nevyn> so I got hoary cd's yesterday
[05:16] <troy> is there any way to install using kernel 2.6.11 instead of 2.6.10 -- 2.6.11+ will detect my SATA disk, 2.6.10 does not...
[05:16] <jasoncohen> bob2, the error was that it didn't understand the /dev/mapper/blah syntax i believe
[05:16] <revelater> bob2: how do i edit the postfix config
[05:16] <revelater> ?
[05:17] <Computer__Guru> thats a good question, troy
[05:17] <jasoncohen> parted doesn't know how to resize or work with LVM- but in this case it doesn't matter because i wasn't touching an LVM partition. i was just resizing an unmounted partition on a live cd system that happened to be using LVM
[05:17] <revelater> bob2: i just realized that the domain i put could cause trouble
[05:17] <bob2> revelater: you shouldn't have to
[05:17] <bob2> revelater: /etc/postfix/main.cf
[05:17] <jasoncohen> revelater, gedit /etc/postfix/main.cf
[05:17] <revelater> jasoncohen: no gnome
[05:17] <jasoncohen> revelater, dpkg-reconfigure postfix to go through configuration
[05:17] <jasoncohen> revelater, pico /etc/postfix/main.cf
[05:17] <bob2> (pico's not in ubuntu)
[05:18] <troy> nano :)
[05:18] <jasoncohen> bob2, nano?
[05:18] <jasoncohen> i use mcedit
[05:18] <Computer__Guru> parted resizes partitions.. can it a) resize ntfs partitions (XP), and b) move them ont he disk... in other words, made /dev/hda1 /dev/hda2 and make /dev/hda2 /dev/hda1
[05:18] <user_> hey guys, I just realized for some reason Ubuntu doesnt come with gcc????
[05:18] <bob2> that sounds ridiculously dangerous
[05:18] <user_> Or is it hidden i tried to make / compile from source BitchX and it said no gcc
[05:18] <troy> user_: apt-get install build-essential
[05:18] <bob2> even if it claims to be able to do it
[05:18] <jasoncohen> user_, apt-get install build-essential
[05:18] <user_> okay
[05:18] <bob2> user_: a) it's in the faq, install build-essential
[05:18] <Computer__Guru> user_:  it doesnt come with a lot of stuff... it's 'end user' oriented
[05:18] <bob2> user_: b) bitchx is already in ubuntu
[05:19] <user_> I tried running bitchx its not there
[05:19] <kove> salut est-ce que il a une canal en francais de ubuntu ?
[05:19] <cafuego> user_: apt-get install irssi-text; forget bitchx.
[05:19] <jasoncohen> user_, your system doesn't come with everything installed
[05:19] <user_> /bin/sh: BitchX: command not found
[05:19] <Computer__Guru> is ircii-e3 in ubuntu?
[05:19] <kyncani> kove: #ubuntu-fr
[05:19] <kove> merci
[05:19] <Computer__Guru> what about e3-wd
[05:19] <bimberi> !info bitchx
[05:19] <revelater> cafuego: HOORA!!!
[05:19] <ubotu> bitchx: (Advanced Internet Relay Chat client), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 1:1.0-0c19.20030512-2 (hoary), Packaged size: 1352 kB, Installed size: 6232 kB
[05:19] <cafuego> !info ircii
[05:19] <jasoncohen> user_, apt-get install bitchx
[05:19] <bob2> user_: you'd boviously need to install it
[05:19] <ubotu> ircii: (Internet Relay Chat client), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 20030315-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 464 kB, Installed size: 3220 kB
[05:19] <revelater> !info irssi
[05:19] <bob2> user_: ubuntu has 16 000 packages, installing them all by default would be silly
[05:19] <user_> so i dont need to make install crap from source anymore, just apt-get it right?
[05:19] <jasoncohen> ubuntu comes with xchat by default
[05:19] <bob2> (and impossible)
[05:19] <bob2> user_: indeed
[05:19] <revelater> !info irssi-text
[05:19] <ubotu> irssi-text: (text-mode version of the irssi IRC client), section net, is optional. Version: 0.8.9-1ubuntu3 (hoary), Packaged size: 779 kB, Installed size: 2520 kB
[05:20] <Hrmmp> what's pico?
[05:20] <jasoncohen> user_, use synaptic to search or apt-cache search
[05:20] <SLSneak> reveleater: It can also be a female dog, doesn't have to be a hora
[05:20] <Hrmmp> some cli text editor?
[05:20] <bob2> irssi-text is a far better choice for a console IRC client, tho
[05:20] <jasoncohen> Hrmmp, apt-cache show nano
[05:20] <cafuego> Hrmmp: Yes, except we call it 'nano'.
[05:20] <bob2> Hrmmp: yes
[05:20] <revelater> i like nano
[05:21] <Hrmmp> [Computer__Guru] : 3) pico /etc/apt/sources.list <-- "command not found" . . . and it's not just this it's saying to . . . a lot of other things, even for sudo . . . kinda scary, but anyways. How else could I be able to edit that file?
[05:21] <troy> I like edit.com ;)
[05:21] <Computer__Guru> nano is a clone of pine's pico, the best text editor ever made.. pine had some licensing issues, and a lot of people did not feel the need to install an entire email reader just to get its editor.. so they cloned it and called it nano :D
[05:21] <cafuego> Hrmmp: nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:21] <bob2> Hrmmp: yes, pico isn't in ubuntu
[05:21] <bob2> Hrmmp: nano is the Free replacement for it
[05:21] <Hrmmp> hrmm, it's saying that for nano too
[05:21] <cafuego> Hrmmp: Or, 'sudo ln -sf /usr/bin/nano /usr/lcoal/bin/pico'
[05:21] <jasoncohen> why does gparted run e2fsck after every operation?
[05:21] <chorton> Does anyone know the name of the prog that let's you run AIM through an irc server?
[05:21] <bob2> chorton: bitlbee
[05:22] <cafuego> s/lcoal/local/
[05:22] <Hrmmp> Yes, but when I type these commands . . . it returns back the same thing "command not found" . . . the very very basic commands work, like ls, cd, etc.
[05:22] <bartekp> hi
[05:22] <Hrmmp> Some other traditional way I could edit the file?
[05:22] <thoreauputic> erm.. afaik there's a symlink from pico to nano in ubuntu that runs nano...
[05:22] <cafuego> Hrmmp: Then you probably don't have a PATH set.
[05:22] <cafuego> Although cd is a built-in
[05:22] <Computer__Guru> well, you should have nano (pico).. if you dont i dont know whats up with your system
[05:23] <cafuego> Hrmmp: Run ". /etc/profile"
[05:23] <Hrmmp> cafuego: Doubtful . . . it always worked before . . . but I can check -- what's the command I could run that with again?
[05:23] <cafuego> Hrmmp: echo $PATH
[05:24] <Hrmmp> And if you don't know, recently . . . things went wrong with my hard drive . . . it forced me to run fsck . . . and being the Windows user I am, I put my finger on the "y" key . . . put my head on it, and went to sleep, so that didn't go so well
[05:24] <bob2> ouch
[05:24] <bob2> that sounds like your disk is lightly toasted
[05:25] <user_> man i am in love with this
[05:25] <user_> this is tight
[05:25] <catskul> ubuntu apt servers down ? or is it just my connection ?
[05:25] <Computer__Guru> get an old copy of norton disk doctor, and get creative with the physical disk editor.. youc an find the holes in your hard drive, and you can mark every sector around them as bad :D
[05:25] <user_> configure: error: cannot find setupterm or tgetent
[05:25] <bob2> modenr hard drives mark their own sectors as bad
[05:25] <user_> what is that? libncurses?
[05:25] <SLSneak> catskul, nothing wrong with them. Just used them
[05:25] <bob2> user_: libncurses5-dev, possibly
[05:25] <bob2> user_: what are you trying to compile?
[05:25] <user_> bx
[05:25] <zerboxx> din: Hey din
[05:26] <bob2> user_: dude, bitchx is already in ubuntu
[05:26] <jasoncohen> bob2, it worked- thanks
[05:26] <bob2> also it's a terrible irc client
[05:26] <bob2> jasoncohen: rock
[05:26] <user_> no its not
[05:26] <goldfish> indeed.
[05:26] <goldfish> irssi > bx
[05:26] <jasoncohen> user_, sudo apt-get install bitchx
[05:26] <bob2> user_: I'm sorry, it is
[05:26] <Computer__Guru> nothing wrong with bx
[05:26] <robotgeek> anyone can direct me to  mount volumes as a a normal user instead of root?
[05:26] <user_> /bin/sh: BitchX: command not found
[05:26] <user_> ...
[05:26] <jasoncohen> user_, it's in universe
[05:26] <bob2> user_: come on dude
[05:26] <goldfish> bitchx
[05:26] <bob2> user_: that means you didn't install it like we told you to
[05:26] <Hrmmp> Computer__Guru: I think that might be too rough on be, as I am a nublet :x
[05:26] <user_> i tried apt-get install bitchx that didnt work either
[05:26] <thoreauputic> !repos
[05:26] <ubotu> [repos]  at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:26] <bob2> user_: shockingly
[05:27] <Computer__Guru> Hrmmp:  new hdd then :)
[05:27] <jasoncohen> user_, nano /etc/apt/sources.list  . uncomment all the lines that have deb and run "sudo apt-get update"
[05:27] <bob2> user_: now edit /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment the universe lines
[05:27] <ricosuave17> has anyone ever used guinstaller?
[05:27] <jasoncohen> !repositories
[05:27] <ubotu> I heard repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:27] <scythe> robotgeek, gotta edit your /etc/fstab to allow for it
[05:27] <ttj> how do I change the gtk theme? the "load file"-dialogs and such look seriously ugly :/
[05:27] <jasoncohen> user_, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:27] <robotgeek> okay...so,if i just put in user, it should allow me to mount as normal user, right?
[05:27] <Hrmmp> Computer__Guru: I'm not at the best financial spot, that's not an option ;\
[05:27] <user_> okay
[05:27] <goldfish> What's the best way to install azureus on ubuntu?
[05:27] <Hrmmp> Plus! If I somehow troubleshoot this, I'll have "learned" something!
[05:28] <frank> goldfish backports
[05:28] <Computer__Guru> Hrmmp:  your other option is a live cd... but if it wont mount, you're pretty much stuck
[05:28] <thoreauputic> ttj: if you want some extra themes, install gnome-themes-extras
[05:28] <robotgeek> dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[05:28] <user_> i uncommented those lines
[05:28] <user_> gave me an error
[05:28] <ttj> thoreauputic: I'm talking about GTK themes, not GNOME-themes
[05:28] <bob2> user_: no, it didn't
[05:28] <ricosuave17> umm HELLO????
[05:28] <bob2> perhaps apt did?
[05:28] <ricosuave17> HELLO
[05:28] <thoreauputic> ttj: ah, OK sorry
[05:28] <bob2> ricosuave17: stop it
[05:28] <user_> nvm i did apt-get update
[05:28] <Computer__Guru> after you uncommented the lines, did you apt-get update
[05:28] <ttj> thoreauputic: thanks though (:
[05:28] <ricosuave17> help me then
[05:28] <user_> maybe it will work now :)
[05:29] <bob2> ricosuave17: being obnoxious is not going to encourage people to help you
[05:29] <bob2> ricosuave17: what on earth is "guinstaller"?
[05:29] <Computer__Guru> ricosuave17:  if nobody is answering you, im certain it's because they don't have any knowledge int  he area you're asking about.
[05:29] <user_> hahaha cool.... thats so much easier than downloading the tar ball
[05:29] <ricosuave17> bob2: a gui program to autocompile sources
[05:29] <user_> and compiling from source
[05:29] <Computer__Guru> not because dont like you or dont think you worthy of assistance
[05:29] <user_> Ubuntu > slack for sure
[05:29] <robotgeek> it's the new thing from gnu
[05:30] <bob2> ricosuave17: why would you use that instead of synaptic?
[05:30] <frank> I think its for when you have to compile from source
[05:30] <ricosuave17> bob2: casue these program will compile any source code
[05:30] <Computer__Guru> user_:  apt-get build-dep bitchx && apt-get source -b bitchx && dpkg -i bitchx-blah-blah.deb
[05:30] <bob2> no, it won't
[05:30] <robotgeek> bob2, it's a new 'package management' from source, dunno details. it was on ars technica or somewhere
[05:30] <Computer__Guru> :D
[05:30] <bob2> perhaps it installs things that use autoconf
[05:30] <skalpel> does anyone else have memory problems when using nicotine?
[05:30] <bob2> and automake
[05:31] <cafuego> skalpel: yes.
[05:31] <user_> amazing
[05:31] <cafuego> skalpel: but it's improved a bit since i quit smoking last year
[05:31] <ricosuave17> or is there a way to use rpms on ubuntu plz
[05:31] <Computer__Guru> that will build it from source custom tailored to your system :D
[05:31] <skalpel> cafuego: have you done anything to solve this problem, or gotten any good advice?
[05:31] <bob2> ricosuave17: why do you want to use rpms?
[05:31] <skalpel> cafuego: gha
[05:31] <thoreauputic> skalpel: yeah, cigarettes do that to me too *grin*
[05:31] <cafuego> skalpel: I quit smoking
[05:31] <bob2> ricosuave17: this would be a lot easier if you asked about whatever specific program you're trying to install
[05:31] <vader1102> skalpel: I use nicotine when I smoke but other than that I don't know the "program" lol
[05:31] <fp> When I use gnome-vfs for my filechooser all the apps crash when opening files
[05:31] <Computer__Guru> cafuego:  i havent had a cigarette in 12 days
[05:32] <fp> i get gtk_file_system_path_is_local: assertion `path != NULL' failed
[05:32] <cafuego> Computer__Guru: 8 months here.
[05:32] <bob2> fp: please file a bug
[05:32] <funkyHat> ricosuave17, installing from rpm is easy....
[05:32] <Hrmmp> okay, suppose I did want to simply "send" those file over that I want saved . . . over to a network. Well, that's later-talk, my question now is what tool could I use to get these things across. Remember, that I'm a nublet, and only have CLI working
[05:32] <scythe> so your name isnt califonia smoke cafuego?
[05:32] <Computer__Guru> congrats
[05:32] <skalpel> nicotine (the program) is murder on my memory for some reason
[05:32] <ricosuave17> funkyHat: plz tell me how to
[05:32] <funkyHat> ricosuave17, sudo alien -i packagename
[05:32] <fp> k
[05:32] <cafuego> Computer__Guru: I'd quite for 3 years before then, then started again for a year.
[05:32] <skalpel> does anyone else use a different soulseek client?
[05:32] <ricosuave17> thanks funkyHat r u on redhat?
[05:32] <vader1102> Computer__Guru: been 5 mins for me lol
[05:32] <bob2> ricosuave17: what are you trying to install that isn't in ubuntu?
[05:32] <revelater> fuego soesn't mean smoke....
[05:32] <funkyHat> ricosuave17, no, ubuntu
[05:32] <revelater> does it?
[05:32] <nalioth> Hrmmp: use sftp or ftp for your file transfers
[05:32] <vader1102> but congrats
[05:33] <Computer__Guru> is there a toolkit that will let me control xmms from xchat? or from the command line in general?
[05:33] <scythe> no, it means to go, fumar is to smoke
[05:33] <cafuego> Computer__Guru: You're doing great, the first 2 years are the hardest ;-)
[05:33] <bob2> Computer__Guru: xmms-shell
[05:33] <skalpel> computer_guru: theree are scripts on scripts.xchat.org
[05:33] <Computer__Guru> tyvm
[05:33] <kyncani> ricosuave17: do not install from source, ever. Use the package manager to install packages
[05:33] <user_> E: Package nmap has no installation candidate
[05:33] <Computer__Guru> will i need to restart xmms?
[05:33] <user_> how do i get nmap?
[05:33] <ricosuave17> dude this thingy has no packages. i know how to do sources i used to run slack
[05:33] <Hrmmp> gonna get disconnected for a minute here, brb
[05:33] <bob2> ricosuave17: you realise guinstaller is useless, right?
[05:33] <ricosuave17> why>?
[05:33] <bob2> and hasn't been updated since 2003?
[05:34] <smack> user_: load up synaptic and run a search for it. ;)
[05:34] <ricosuave17> yes but why is it useless
[05:34] <user_> whats synaptic
[05:34] <thoreauputic> kyncani: that's a bit extreme - compiling is sometimes useful
[05:34] <funkyHat> ricosuave17, no, alien is for installing standalone packages that you have downloaded rpms for. for other packages, use aptitude or synaptic
[05:34] <user_> is there a manual im suppose to be reading that i missed ^^
[05:34] <user_> i think there is lol
[05:34] <bob2> ricosuave17: what specific software are you trying to install that isn't in ubuntu?
[05:34] <goldfish> user_: apt-get install nmap
[05:34] <smack> user_: it's in the System menu/Administration submenu.
[05:34] <user_> goldfish i did that it didnt work
[05:34] <Computer__Guru> ricosuave17:  partly because it's just as easy, and generally a LOT faster to buil sources from cli.. atop that, pretty much anything you're gonna need is int he universe somewhere
[05:34] <user_> thats what gave me the E:
[05:34] <bob2> user_: nmap is absolutlely in ubuntu
[05:34] <bob2> user_: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[05:34] <taboo_> hello everybody!
[05:34] <bob2> user_: perhaps you didn't uncomment the main line, too
[05:34] <Computer__Guru> user_:  apt-get -f install
[05:35] <kyncani> thoreauputic: yes, just a rule to those that have no idea about synaptic ;)
[05:35] <taboo_> i have a question
[05:35] <bob2> Computer__Guru: that won't help
[05:35] <ricosuave17> nop lots of thing i see on freshmeat r not
[05:35] <revelater> bob2: you know anything about connecting to a NT server?
[05:35] <bob2> revelater: then learn to do it manually
[05:35] <bob2> revelater: define connecting
[05:35] <bob2> bah
[05:35] <Computer__Guru> bob2:  oh.. always works for me when i get an error :D
[05:35] <Computer__Guru> bob2:  i installed xmms-shell.,. i dont need to restart xmms do i?
[05:35] <revelater> bob2: access files
[05:35] <revelater> bob2: its a file server
[05:35] <mebaran151> VIA Envy
[05:36] <bob2> revelater: using smb? select places -> network
[05:36] <bob2> ricosuave17: then compile them manually
[05:36] <bob2> ricosuave17: or, better still, package them for ubuntu
[05:36] <bob2> so everyone can benefit
[05:36] <revelater> bob2: i am not using gnome
[05:36] <bob2> revelater: install smbfs, man mount (-t smb)
[05:36] <smack> If anyone wants to I could use an opinion on a software raid problem. ;) http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/96509133/m/716008554731
[05:37] <taboo_> anybody from the group who is familiar with pgcluster?
[05:37] <Computer__Guru> isnt it -t smbfs?
[05:37] <bob2> probably
[05:37] <ricosuave17> how to package for ubntu and compile by hand?>
[05:37] <user_> hmmmmmm
[05:37] <bob2> avoiding software raid is a good solution
[05:37] <revelater> bob2: ahh, thats what i was missing, arigato
[05:37] <bob2> ricosuave17: www.debian.org/devel/, new maintainer's guide
[05:37] <bob2> revelater: jamata
[05:37] <smack> bob2: I think I've got nforce raid on this mobo but you need proprietary binary drivers for that don't you?
[05:38] <bob2> smack: it's not real raid, anyway
[05:38] <bob2> user_: uncomment the third line
[05:38] <smack> bob2: ya it's just a raid done in the driver.
[05:38] <Computer__Guru> bob2:  what's the point of this xmms-shell thing? i dont see any commands for next, previous, shuffle, volume control or anything else.. i only see session and path and run options
[05:38] <user_> ok
[05:38] <smack> I have a 3ware 8006-2lp sitting on my desk also but I wanted to sell it.
[05:38] <robotgeek> scythe,  dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0 should work, right?
[05:38] <ricosuave17> bob2:  is it hard
[05:39] <bob2> ricosuave17: it will require you to learn a lot, yes
[05:39] <smack> I figure I should use soem sata ports on my mobo since I got 8 of them on there.
[05:39] <user_> didnt work
[05:39] <revelater> bob2: this error encountered:
[05:39] <user_> E: Package nmap has no installation candidate
[05:39] <revelater> Unknown parameter encountered: "netbios"
[05:39] <revelater> Ignoring unknown parameter "netbios"
[05:39] <ricosuave17> ahhhh
[05:39] <Micksa> who wants to help me attempt to revive a hoary install that I just broke? :)
[05:39] <user_> how do i install nmap  :\
[05:39] <bob2> Computer__Guru: ?
[05:39] <bob2> Computer__Guru: "help"
[05:39] <user_> says there is no installation candidate
[05:39] <bob2> user_: then you didn't edit it properly
[05:40] <ricosuave17> the alien thingy worked
[05:40] <mebaran151> hey
[05:40] <bob2> user_: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list again
[05:40] <Micksa> the initrd doesn't seem to be getting used.
[05:40] <mebaran151> is the Via Envy compatible with Linux
[05:40] <Computer__Guru> bob2:  i want to be able to issue a single command that advances xmms's playlist.. you would think this would be xmms-shell next, but that doesnt work
[05:40] <bob2> revelater: haven't seen that before, it is -t smbfs, tho
[05:40] <Computer__Guru> i found the commands, i just cant execute them externally
[05:40] <revelater> bob2: yeah
[05:40] <Computer__Guru> which makes xmms-shell pretty useless afaiac
[05:40] <mebaran151> anybody know about the Via Envy on Linux
[05:41] <SG1> Ok, so this is a new one on me... I have a grub splash that works fine without hiddenmenu.. but when you put in hiddenmenu it goes away unless you hit esc... from what I've read it should still show up..
[05:41] <bob2> Computer__Guru: works for me
[05:41] <user_> it works now
[05:41] <Computer__Guru> mebaran151:  works just fine
[05:41] <revelater> bob2: here is command line i entered: debian:~# mount -t smb /192.168.2.11/documents/ /ntshare
[05:41] <esac_> hi, i have a wireless card. I have it set to DHCP. it doesn't seem to grab an ip address though (and no dns). if i set it up for static ip, it works. however the odd part is that when i have kcontrol open and on the network settings, it CAN grab an address and nameservers via DHCP .. any ideas ?
[05:41] <Computer__Guru> and that's actually a pretty nice processor
[05:41] <user_> hey in ircssi is there a macro to swap windows instead of typing /win 1..2 3 etc
[05:41] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, all the basic features
[05:41] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, yeah I know
[05:41] <bob2> revelater: more like " sudo mount -t smbfs -o ro //192.168.1.101/stuff /mnt/kazoo"
[05:41] <mebaran151> I got it in my new shuttle PC
[05:41] <Computer__Guru> mebaran151:  and a lot of advanced ones too... i'll find the website for you, holdon
[05:41] <mebaran151> socket 939 YEAH
[05:41] <Micksa> grah
[05:42] <SG1> Computer__Guru: what are you looking for in way of console players?
[05:42] <bob2> Computer__Guru: xmms-shell doesn't respond to "help"?
[05:42] <cafuego> socket 939 is old, innit?
[05:42] <mebaran151> they use really analogamps and those weird amps of which I forgot the name
[05:42] <Micksa> fine
[05:42] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, try cplay
[05:42] <mebaran151> it works pretty well
[05:42] <Micksa> I'll install AGAIN
[05:42] <frank> cafuego: socket 939 is the newest amd socket
[05:42] <mebaran151> and does everything xmms can do
[05:42] <user_> what is 631/tcp open ipp?
[05:42] <user_> How do I close port 631
[05:42] <SG1> So anyone have any ideas with my grub oddness?
[05:42] <user_> and stop sendmail I do not want these services running on my machine
[05:42] <cafuego> frank: No, they have some new 1024-pin thing
[05:42] <SG1> user_: its cups.. aka printing.
[05:42] <ricosuave17> bob2:  u there?
[05:42] <Computer__Guru> bob2:  it responds to help. you're not listening. I want to be able to issue a command, fromt he command line, without entering interactive mode, that advances the xmms playlist, and there is nothing on how this is done.
[05:42] <user_> i want it disabled
[05:42] <mebaran151> or ... you could try using one of the bindings to scripted languages and work with it through like the Ruby or Python shells
[05:43] <SG1> user_: you can either stop cups if you dont need it...
[05:43] <user_> no open ports except ssh
[05:43] <SG1> user_: you dont need printing support?
[05:43] <bob2> Computer__Guru: because it's such basic shell scripting
[05:43] <frank> cafuego: maybe for ECC ram...
[05:43] <SG1> user_: ah, ok
[05:43] <thoreauputic> user_: it isn't "open" - it only listens on localhost by default
[05:43] <user_> sg1 not at this time
[05:43] <Hrmmp> Okay, I'm just about ready to cry. It almost seems hopeless now
[05:43] <bob2> Computer__Guru: echo next | xmms-shell
[05:43] <user_> oh.... so its not remote
[05:43] <cafuego> frank: DDR2 and newfangled CPUs.
[05:43] <Computer__Guru> that was never my strong suit
[05:43] <SG1> user_: then just apt-get remove it
[05:43] <ricosuave17> bob2:  plz accept my pm
[05:43] <bob2> ricosuave17: ?
[05:43] <user_> what about sendmail is that local too?
[05:43] <cafuego> frank: lwt me dig up the story
[05:43] <frank> cafuego: there is a DDR2 chipset for amd?
[05:43] <bob2> ricosuave17: no, I'm not going to talk to you in /msg
[05:43] <mebaran151> frank, why do you want
[05:43] <mebaran151> it
[05:43] <bob2> user_: sendmail isn't installed.
[05:43] <cafuego> frank: About to be released or just released, yes
[05:43] <bob2> user_: postfix is, and is listening on localhost, yes
[05:43] <SG1> user_: its probably exim or the link
[05:43] <mebaran151> it sounds like alot of trouble
[05:43] <thoreauputic> user_: namapping yourself isn;t very useful really ;)
[05:44] <Computer__Guru> bob2, that's all i needed, tyvm :)
[05:44] <SG1> user_: apt-get install nullmailer
[05:44] <mebaran151> high quallity DDR one will be around for quite awhile
[05:44] <mebaran151> it cant be released too soon
[05:44] <ricosuave17> bob2:  fine dude
[05:44] <mebaran151> they just realeased a new branch of the architecture
[05:44] <bob2> ricosuave17: if you have a question about ubuntu, ask it in here
[05:44] <cafuego> frank: next year, my mistake.
[05:44] <mebaran151> and they woulod have to do some memory controller redesigning to accomodate the new spec
[05:44] <ricosuave17> i want to say im sorry
[05:44] <ridejib> 'evening fellas
[05:44] <mebaran151> it will be here in a year
[05:44] <user_> Okay I did a remote scan of my IP address it says port 80 is open
[05:45] <bob2> ricosuave17: it's fine
[05:45] <cafuego> frank: http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2476&p=1
[05:45] <bob2> user_: then you installed apache
[05:45] <mebaran151> user_, port 80 is for http
[05:45] <user_> yes i know...
[05:45] <goldfish> port 80 is your router prolly
[05:45] <goldfish> for web admining of it.
[05:45] <user_> oh its my router yeah
[05:45] <user_> that's right
[05:45] <user_> doh
[05:46] <SG1> so... no one has a clue on my grub thing..
[05:46] <SG1> might as well ask #grub
[05:46] <SG1> XD
[05:46] <SG1> google doesnt want to tell me.
[05:46] <ricosuave17> bob2: 2 i wanted to ask what to do with all those deb if i make them
[05:46] <mebaran151> SGI, grub is quite dead
[05:46] <frank> cafuego: it will be a socket 940
[05:46] <mebaran151> SGI, what is your problem
[05:46] <mebaran151> I have fought grub long and hard, in many a war and, uh battle
[05:47] <SG1> mebaran151: one sec
[05:47] <Razor-X> any non BASH/xCSH users here?
[05:47] <SG1> Ok, so this is a new one on me... I have a grub splash that works fine without hiddenmenu.. but when you put in hiddenmenu it goes away unless you hit esc... from what I've read it should still show up..
[05:47] <SG1> mebaran151: thats it
[05:47] <mebaran151> SGI, I dont see how they could still show it
[05:47] <mebaran151> hiddenmenu by definition hides the grub splash screen
[05:47] <Razor-X> SG1: the whole menu is hidden
[05:47] <mebaran151> that is what the code does
[05:47] <Razor-X> exactly
[05:48] <Razor-X> what you want is this
[05:48] <SG1> mebaran151: hmm, odd considering I see a bunch of grub examples with both it
[05:48] <mebaran151> if you tell it to hide your splash image, it will hide your splash image
[05:48] <SG1> mebaran151: saying "heres how to get splash to work"
[05:48] <mebaran151> SGI, yeah
[05:48] <Razor-X> the only way for a splash without presenting the choices is this:
[05:48] <SG1> mebaran151: maybe the functionality changed?
[05:48] <Razor-X> hiddenmenu 0
[05:48] <mebaran151> SGI, nope
[05:48] <Razor-X> timeout 0
[05:48] <Razor-X> default x
[05:48] <Razor-X> where x is the entry you want
[05:48] <SG1> Razor-X: hiddenmenu 0?
[05:48] <mebaran151> SGI, just use a bootsplash?
[05:48] <Razor-X> that should auto-boot the partition you want to boot by default and have a nice splash
[05:49] <mangkaryo> hello! anybody knows how to create client.pub in ubuntu?
[05:49] <Razor-X> but, you can't access the menu, unfortunately
[05:49] <mebaran151> Razor-X, what when he wents to boot all his other OS's
[05:49] <mebaran151> which he dearly loves
[05:49] <Razor-X> mangkaryo: create it in a text editor
[05:49] <Razor-X> mebaran151: ahhh, je comprende
[05:49] <SG1> XD I can deal with the menu
[05:49] <scythe> everyone should be doing a happy dance for me, i just broke 50k per sec dl speed, ill have my dvd in 4 hours ish
[05:49] <SG1> Ill just leave it there
[05:49] <esac_> when i take my laptop to work i have to use a proxy server. when i am home i dont. is there a way to have it automatically detect the network i am on (possibly by ip) and change my proxy settings automatically ?
[05:50] <SG1> Ok, time for the second question...
[05:50] <rob^> I thought that said "lappy dance" for a sec
[05:50] <skalpel> is there a channel on freenode for 'nicotine' discussion?
[05:50] <Razor-X> esac_: that would be hard, because proxy servers can change
[05:50] <Razor-X> skalpel: try #nicotine
[05:50] <user_> I just tried to play a mp3 in Xmms and its silent
[05:50] <skalpel> nobody there
[05:50] <user_> yet sound works in X... why?
[05:50] <SG1> Why does ubuntu switch to tty2 near the end of booting.. and spit stuff out there?
[05:50] <Razor-X> !tell user_ about restrictedformats
[05:50] <thoreauputic> user_: set the output plugin to esound
[05:50] <user_> okay xmms looks kind of outdated is there a better music player out now?
[05:50] <thoreauputic> user_: in options, prefs
[05:51] <mebaran151> Razor-X, I used csh for some time
[05:51] <rob^> user_, bmp
[05:51] <mebaran151> but found bash better
[05:51] <user_> okay
[05:51] <Razor-X> SG1: there shouldn't be anything wrong, because all the tty's (save 7) allow you to login
[05:51] <frank> user_: beep-media-player
[05:51] <user_> apt-get install bmp?
[05:51] <rob^> user_, or rhythmbox
[05:51] <Razor-X> mebaran151: that's why I said ``except xCSH''
[05:51] <bob2> ricosuave17: you can join #ubuntu-motu and ask them
[05:51] <rob^> apt-get install beep-media-player
[05:51] <mebaran151> oh sorry
[05:51] <Razor-X> CSH is a god-awful shell
[05:51] <Razor-X> ;)
[05:51] <esac_> Razor-X: but i know the name of my proxy server at work .. all i want is when my IP is 10.0.38.* to use proxy server netproxy:8080 .. and when i am at home (192.168.1.*) dont use a proxy server
[05:51] <SG1> Razor-X: oh nothings wrong with it functionally..
[05:51] <mebaran151> Razor-X, you thinking of zsh
[05:51] <mebaran151> or some thing like Dash
[05:51] <rob^> its the same as xmms. but updated (its a fork)
[05:51] <SG1> Razor-X: it just confused the hell out of splashy
[05:51] <btsdev> hey.. does anyone know how I can check whether certain kernel options are set for my system?  I did NOT custom compile.. i just kept what was given to me from the install
[05:51] <Razor-X> esac_: ahhh, you're going to be needing to learn a little bit of iptables
[05:52] <ElBarono> erm
[05:52] <goldfish> get xmms2 !
[05:52] <SG1> iptables is fun. :)
[05:52] <ElBarono> has anyone had a problem with the current firefox where you click on a file link and it doesn't ask you to save the file?
[05:52] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I use esh with BASH now, i've looked at zsh, never heard of DASH
[05:52] <ElBarono> I have to click on "save link as.."
[05:52] <Razor-X> I may try zsh
[05:52] <btsdev> zsh is the best
[05:52] <Razor-X> ElBarono: there's a setting in your preferences where you can change that behavior
[05:52] <btsdev> the tab completion is great
[05:52] <Razor-X> I like esh a lot too, if I switch to zsh, i'll switch to zsh coupled with esh
[05:53] <scythe> i have, but i havent checked to see if the settings went back to default or not before i complain
[05:53] <ElBarono> razor: it seems like a bug to me.  I don't know why my preferences would suddenly change in a stream of stable releases
[05:53] <Razor-X> esh is like the best of a bunch of shells
[05:53] <btsdev> does anyone know how i can check if certain kernel options are set on my system?
[05:53] <robotgeek> ElBarono, yup...happened to me too!
[05:53] <Razor-X> ElBarono: it happened to me
[05:53] <Razor-X> was very infuriating
[05:53] <Razor-X> back when they switched the shortcut for the Download Window from C-y to C-e
[05:53] <Razor-X> bastards, they've ruined all of Firebird's progress :(
[05:54] <konki> PROBLEM: CD drive, is there a command [terminal]  in which i can eject the disc?
[05:54] <ElBarono> I still have it set to ask me where to save every file
[05:54] <robotgeek> lol!
[05:54] <Razor-X> konki: eject
[05:54] <Razor-X> eject -f if you need to force it
[05:54] <robotgeek> konki, eject
[05:54] <SG1> Razor-X: hmm, seems to do it right before runlevel 2
[05:54] <Razor-X> SG1: just wondering, anything wrong?
[05:54] <ElBarono> it doesn't do anything..  it doesn't download the file, doesn't ask me where to save it
[05:54] <konki> eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument
[05:55] <esac_> Razor-X: any good tutorials on iptables (starting from a newbie perspective) ?
[05:55] <SG1> Razor-X: yeah, splashy gets consufed by it switching to tty2.. and exits earlier that it should.
[05:55] <user_> Okay I changed the output plugin to Esound and I Still cannot get music to play in xmms
[05:55] <ElBarono> just sits there and pretends it alread downloaded th file
[05:55] <Razor-X> konki: eject /dev/path/to/drive/
[05:55] <user_> why is this?
[05:55] <scythe> use a paperclip konki
[05:55] <Razor-X> SG1: ahhh :(
[05:55] <SG1> Razor-X: everything in run level 2 is put on tty2 not tty1
[05:55] <scythe> but power down first
[05:55] <Razor-X> try editing the runlevel crap
[05:55] <SG1> Razor-X: its quite odd.
[05:55] <btsdev> is it even possible to find out, with a default install, whether a certain kernel option is enabled on my system?
[05:55] <Computer__Guru> (thanks to bob2)
[05:55] <skalpel> does anyone use a soulseek client besides nicotine? or know if there is one that is good?
[05:55] <Razor-X> wow, you sure care about your splash ;)
[05:55] <ElBarono> btsdev: look in /boot
[05:55] <SG1> Razor-X: yeah, but wtf is switching the tty...
[05:55] <btsdev> ElBarono: Thanks.
[05:56] <ElBarono> there should be a config file for your current kernel
[05:56] <Razor-X> Computer__Guru: I have total emms control in emacs
[05:56] <user_> I changed my XMMS output to Esound and I still cannot play an mp3... what am i missing?
[05:56] <konki> scythe, paperclip??
[05:56] <Razor-X> and erc control
[05:56] <Razor-X> and esh control
[05:56] <Razor-X> ;)
[05:56] <Computer__Guru> emacs is frightening
[05:56] <SG1> Razor-X: not normally... I just decided that I would since ubuntu is already pretty good looking
[05:56] <goldfish> user_: win32codecs
[05:56] <SG1> Razor-X: :-P
[05:56] <Razor-X> !tell user_ about restrictedformats
[05:56] <robotgeek> btsdev, /etc/boot/config(whatvevet)
[05:56] <Computer__Guru> you, sir, are a freak.. and i dont care if you ARE sixteen
[05:56] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, to vim users it is!
[05:56] <cafuego> emacs is a great OS, but a shite editor.
[05:56] <Razor-X> Computer__Guru: 15
[05:56] <goldfish> vim is nice.
[05:56] <Computer__Guru> whatever
[05:56] <Computer__Guru> freak
[05:56] <Razor-X> I have a saying
[05:56] <Computer__Guru> ;)
[05:56] <user_> i got no message regarding restrictedformats
[05:56] <konki> eject: unable to find or open device for: `/dev/path/to/drive'
[05:56] <Razor-X> ``Life 'aint worth living if you 'aint living in grease''
[05:56] <goldfish> !restricted
[05:56] <ubotu> it has been said that restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:56] <robotgeek> vim forever!! (again)
[05:56] <thoreauputic> goldfish: you don't need w32codecs to play mp3 in xmms
[05:57] <goldfish> k
[05:57] <scythe> most cdroms have a very small pinhole in the front, straighten a paperclip and put it in thehole, that forces the tray out
[05:57] <Razor-X> I don't have salads, now why should I have vim?
[05:57] <mebaran151> robotgeek, though gedit is growing on me
[05:57] <vader1102> konki: if you open a paper clip and put it in that little hole, when powered down it will open the drive
[05:57] <mebaran151> and Kate is REALLY nice
[05:57] <goldfish> user_: follow that link.
[05:57] <Computer__Guru> kate is nice
[05:57] <goldfish> wine notepad.exe !
[05:57] <scythe> it will when powered up to, but its not a good idea
[05:57] <frank> lol
[05:57] <Razor-X> mebaran151: you are one of the few users I know who like a non-vim or emacs editor because they've tried everything else
[05:57] <konki> how come everytime i have a cd in i always got to restart and eject...
[05:57] <Computer__Guru> hell i didnt even use notepad in windows... i used emeditor
[05:57] <Razor-X> nalioth actually prefers nano, and he's tried 'em all too
[05:57] <scythe> i prefer pico :)
[05:57] <robotgeek> cause it's a nice text editor, unlike a certain "os" editor
[05:58] <Razor-X> most just think the others are too complicated and don't really scratch the surface ;)
[05:58] <robotgeek> oh the horror!
[05:58] <SG1> Razor-X: hey another youngster :)
[05:58] <Computer__Guru> yah by way of cli editors, nano is the shiznit.. x-oriented editors, i gotta go with kate
[05:58] <konki> vader1102, well thats why am am asking if there is any other way without shutting down...
[05:58] <user_> Goldfish im not using rythmbox im using xmms
[05:58] <Razor-X> robotgeek: that ``os'' is smaller than a Firefox session
[05:58] <user_> it says nothing about playing mp3 in xmms
[05:58] <weilawei> scythe, heh i had a friend who had a broken cd burner.. one of the ones with the slide out tray and fold up door.. every so often it wouldnt like something and it would come flying out spinning at several hundred RPM ready to decapitate someone if they were stupid enough to stand in front of the comp
[05:58] <Razor-X> yeah, X editors I love Kate
[05:58] <user_> it says to play mp3 in rhythmbox install x yada yada
[05:58] <SG1> Razor-X: vim all the way!
[05:58] <robotgeek> i just use vim all the time
[05:58] <robotgeek> even on windows boxes
[05:58] <Razor-X> I use emacs in a mini-screen session
[05:59] <Computer__Guru> xmms plays mp3's
[05:59] <calc> user_: to play mp3 you just need to install gstreamer-mad
[05:59] <SG1> robotgeek: me too
[05:59] <Computer__Guru> thats kinda why its there
[05:59] <calc> user_: er in rhythmbox
[05:59] <Razor-X> with the few apps that don't work well in the included terminal emulators of emacs
[05:59] <scythe> hehe, saw a video of someone taking an aoldisk and attaching it to a drill , power up, explode the cd
[05:59] <user_> ok
[05:59] <user_> yeah but im not using rhythmbox
[05:59] <vader1102> konki: maybe someone will tell you how to see if there is something using the drive... it sounds like it may need cleaning
[05:59] <user_> im trying to use xmms
[05:59] <Razor-X> scythe: I gave someone an AOLDisk for his birthday
[05:59] <Razor-X> he took it and threw it
[05:59] <SG1> robotgeek: the funny thing is.. Im here trying to make bootsplashes work.. when have the time im in vim/screen/tty..
[05:59] <Razor-X> I said ``Why'ld you do that?''
[05:59] <SG1> half*
[05:59] <Razor-X> he said ``It's dangerous!''
[05:59] <nalioth> mmmmm nano
[05:59] <scythe> anyone here ever call aol tech support and complain they cant get the software to install, knowing they dont support bsd?
[05:59] <scythe> :)
[05:59] <SG1> :)
[05:59] <ElBarono> oh sweet, looks like someone just uploaded 1.0.6
[06:00] <Razor-X> I said ``It's a weapon of mass destruction, you should've used it wisely''
[06:00] <konki> vader1102, cd lens cleaner??
[06:00] <user_> ive never had to install something to play mp3 in xmms
[06:00] <Computer__Guru> Razor-X:  i have the mimetype for plain/text set to open konsole -e pico OMMAND%
[06:00] <robotgeek> user_, try beep-media-player
[06:00] <vader1102> yes
[06:00] <Razor-X> Computer__Guru: hehe
[06:00] <user_> didnt really like it...
[06:00] <SG1> scythe: sounds fun.
[06:00] <user_> liked xmms better
[06:00] <robotgeek> SG1, i am on PPC, never used grub
[06:00] <vader1102> or the disk needs cleaning
[06:00] <funkyHat> ElBarono, you'll have issues upgrading to it if you've got the backported version of 1.0.4
[06:00] <nalioth> Computer__Guru: pico is not "free software"
[06:00] <Computer__Guru> i still use lilo
[06:00] <user_> I installed gstreamer0.8-mad and xmms still wont play mp3's
[06:00] <user_> ???
[06:00] <user_> problem with esound perhaps?
[06:00] <weilawei> grub!
[06:00] <Razor-X> only thing I don't like about screen, it made my esh prompt purple!
[06:00] <SG1> robotgeek: iBook?
[06:01] <Razor-X> it was a nice dark red before :(
[06:01] <scythe> nalioth, pico isnt "free"
[06:01] <Computer__Guru> nalioth:  when you install nano, a link to pico is automatically created. i have always used the command pico, and old habits die hard
[06:01] <wastrel> ah
[06:01] <Razor-X> scythe: it isn't free as in libre
[06:01] <konki> well thanks aLL.. prolly gotta restart for an EJECTULATION!
[06:01] <joevandyk> So, I got a Sound Blaster card.  Do I want to use Alsa with it?  Or stick with ESD?
[06:01] <robotgeek> SG1, powerbook
[06:01] <Razor-X> it is free as in coors
[06:01] <nalioth> scythe: yes i know, i was pointing that out to Computer__Guru
[06:01] <user_> is it alsa and not esound?
[06:01] <Razor-X> (I don't say beer anymore, because of the OSS beer)
[06:01] <Razor-X> no, even better
[06:01] <Razor-X> free as in biru
[06:01] <SG1> robotgeek: :) I run debian and OSX on my ibook
[06:01] <Computer__Guru> and i was already aware
[06:01] <Razor-X> muahahahaha!
[06:01] <scythe> ahh, thought it was gpl'd
[06:01] <nalioth> lot of mac hardware in here
[06:01] <SG1> robotgeek: I have an 80gb hd I put in myself in my iBookG4 933mhz
[06:01] <Computer__Guru> nah, pine was never gpl'd
[06:01] <robotgeek> SG1, i got rid of OS X
[06:02] <SG1> robotgeek: yaboot!
[06:02] <Computer__Guru> and pico is part of pine
[06:02] <konki> i usually turn it OFF and then TURN ON, and then EJECTULATION
[06:02] <cafuego> nalioth: The only way to get a decent 12" laptop
[06:02] <goldfish> i was using a mac g5 powerserver with a 30" monitor in a shop today, it was heaven.
[06:02] <wastrel> i killed a 6 month uptime to install ubuntu this evening :] 
[06:02] <user_> XMMS isnt playing MP3 for me... I chose Esound as output... what am i doing wrong?
[06:02] <SG1> robotgeek: heh I need my Airport Extreme somtimes
[06:02] <Razor-X> is its really hard to port pico, after all?
[06:02] <wastrel> my longest uptime ever
[06:02] <nalioth> cafuego: yup
[06:02] <goldfish> user_: try alsa.
[06:02] <Computer__Guru> no
[06:02] <robotgeek> SG1, don't have one.
[06:02] <scythe> really, never knew that either
[06:02] <Razor-X> I mean, it has like 4 commands XD
[06:02] <user_> okay...
[06:02] <thoreauputic> konki: your eject problem might be solved by doing :  sudo chmod +s /usr/bin/eject (worked for me)
[06:02] <robotgeek> Razor-X, not allowed i think.
[06:02] <Computer__Guru> pico is ported pretty much everywhere
[06:02] <Razor-X> robotgeek: ......?
[06:02] <user_> Nope didnt work...
[06:02] <Razor-X> pico was ported to nano
[06:02] <SG1> robotgeek: well support is coming soon for them :) .. you have a pcmcia slot I dont
[06:02] <Computer__Guru> but nano is the gpl version
[06:02] <user_> Goldfish still didnt work ... I dont know why
[06:02] <thoreauputic> konki: but note that that makes it setuid root
[06:02] <vader1102> konki: try cleaning the lense and if it don't work I would be looking for another drive
[06:03] <robotgeek> SG1, the project to reverse engineer those cards is coming along pretty well!
[06:03] <Razor-X> so, what SH based shells do you people know about?
[06:03] <Razor-X> save the ksh abomination? ;)
[06:03] <SG1> robotgeek: yes, thats my point!
[06:03] <SG1> robotgeek: :)
[06:03] <cafuego> nalioth: And I expect more mac users will switch to Linux once they discover how slow Tiger is.
[06:03] <vader1102> had this prob with windows machine today
[06:03] <user_> Okay XMMS isnt playing MP3's for me, ive tried both eSound and ALSA output plugins and I still cant play mp3... what am I missing?
[06:03] <scythe> zsh
[06:03] <SG1> robotgeek: Im so happy... by the end of the year..... it might be done.
[06:03] <Razor-X> scythe: I knew that -_-
[06:03] <konki> vader1102, well i have a laptop jurassic period...
[06:03] <goldfish> user_: try beep-media-player
[06:03] <SG1> cafuego: tiger==ugh.
[06:03] <Computer__Guru> Current song: 14. System Of A Down - Mezmerize - 02 - B.Y.O.B
[06:03] <nalioth> cafuego: everyone says it's slow, but it runs quicker on my G3 than the previous ones
[06:03] <Razor-X> user_: try VLC
[06:03] <user_> okay i will
[06:03] <goldfish> Computer__Guru: nice.
[06:03] <user_> VLC?
[06:03] <Razor-X> it can play almost anything by default
[06:04] <konki> thanks thoreauputic, but it didn't work
[06:04] <SG1> or mplayer..
[06:04] <Razor-X> !vlc
[06:04] <ubotu> hmm... vlc is a media player with native support for a large handfull of popular formats and excellent streaming support
[06:04] <cafuego> nalioth: <heh> how much ram do you have in that box?
[06:04] <goldfish> vlc is crap for playing music though :)
[06:04] <Razor-X> !info vlc
[06:04] <cs378> hi ppl, i just did apt-get install tuxkart -- how do i get to run this game? help plz wanna test my 3d acc on ati
[06:04] <rommer> goldfish: do u know where to get skins for beep media player?
[06:04] <ubotu> vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.1-1ubuntu7 (hoary), Packaged size: 4867 kB, Installed size: 11816 kB
[06:04] <nalioth> cafuego: 640 (maxxed out)
[06:04] <Computer__Guru> goldfish:  /exec -o echo current-track | xmms-shell
[06:04] <goldfish> rommer: use xmms ones.
[06:04] <Razor-X> goldfish: not really, I love it
[06:04] <vader1102> konki: so do I lol, that's what it was on....old hardware
[06:04] <robotgeek> SG1, yeah...and once the drivers are out...well, pretty much everything on Mac will work on Linux! nice!!
[06:04] <Razor-X> only, I use cplay for music
[06:04] <goldfish> Razor-X: ah :)
[06:04] <thoreauputic> konki: hmm - OK it helped me but your problem is clearly different then
[06:04] <Razor-X> if you mean it doesen't have music sugarcoating... sugar rots my teeth
[06:04] <rommer> goldfish: ok
[06:04] <SG1> robotgeek: yep, and if your in a pince we have MOL
[06:04] <SG1> robotgeek: :)
[06:04] <Razor-X> in Windows, I use it for music playing
[06:04] <goldfish> cplay rocks.
[06:04] <cafuego> nalioth: *nod* 512Mb in the mac mini and Tiger is horrendous. Then again, I've got a 1.5GB AMD64 desktop and expect *instant* action when I click stuff.
[06:04] <Razor-X> cplay kicks ass
[06:05] <Razor-X> it's one of the few apps worth a session outside of my emacs buffers
[06:05] <nalioth> cafuego: i always max the ram in my machines
[06:05] <cs378> help a newbie plz
[06:05] <cafuego> nalioth: The mac mini is going to 1Gb shortly.
[06:05] <Computer__Guru> cafuego:  how would tiger run on a g3 333mhz w/384mb ram?
[06:05] <SG1> Razor-X: have you checked out mpd?
[06:05] <skalpel> can someone tell me how to change my identd name in nullidentd?
[06:05] <Razor-X> SG1: mpd?
[06:05] <robotgeek> Razor-X, However, redistribution of a modified version of Pine requires explicit permission from the University of Washington. hence...
[06:05] <cafuego> Computer__Guru: Crap if at all.
[06:05] <SG1> Razor-X: Music Player Daemon
[06:05] <weilawei> skalpel, don't run identd
[06:05] <goldfish> music player daemon
[06:05] <SG1> Razor-X: very nice stuff
[06:05] <goldfish> it also rocks.
[06:05] <robotgeek> SG1, mostly for playing Flash Animations. i don't even bother anymore
[06:05] <Computer__Guru> yeah right on... ubuntu with fluxbox should be pretty nice tho
[06:05] <skalpel> weilawei: why not?
[06:05] <cafuego> Computer__Guru: It would run Linux very nicely, though.
[06:05] <weilawei> it literally says "hi my name is  blah" and nothing else. it's a security risk at best
[06:06] <Razor-X> SG1: cplay is juts based of mpg123 and ogg123
[06:06] <user_> This is starting to get frustrating, for some reason BMP doesnt play MP3's either... why?
[06:06] <arentie> I'm having difficulty getting the CUPS Web Admin to work...how do I enable CUPS Web Admin?
[06:06] <vader1102> nalioth: so do I, have 2 stix of 256 coming for this laptop... all it will handle
[06:06] <nalioth> cafuego: i ordered a 1.8ghzDP powermac t'other day.  Do YOU KNOW that it only ships with 128mb ram PER CPU?  positively scandalous
[06:06] <weilawei> people are deluded if they think it makes their services more secure
[06:06] <Computer__Guru> or maybe ill even run windowmaker
[06:06] <user_> I have set it to use Esound output and it wont play
[06:06] <skalpel> user_: did you set the output to esound?
[06:06] <Razor-X> weilawei: if you configure it to sayt hat
[06:06] <user_> yes!
[06:06] <SG1> Razor-X: it hides in the background ... and has lots of support for lots of things not to mention tons of clients
[06:06] <joevandyk> My default sound sink is set to alsa, and the tests (in multimedia system selector) for it work.  So, why can't xmms or the gnome sounds use it?
[06:06] <Computer__Guru> fastest wm there is, heh
[06:06] <cafuego> nalioth: yeah, luckily they're user-servicable though.
[06:06] <konki> thoreauputic, thanks it probly worked... what a command 'sudo chmod +s /usr/bin/eject'
[06:06] <SG1> Razor-X: check it out when you get bored
[06:06] <Razor-X> SG1: where can I read up on this cool thing?
[06:06] <skalpel> weilawei: how do i uninstall it?
[06:06] <goldfish> flux is nice.
[06:06] <Razor-X> and I'm thinking of changing shells too, so you UNIX users, tell me about SH based shells not including ksh and zsh
[06:06] <Razor-X> or BASH ;)
[06:06] <Computer__Guru> that'll be fun... a menu entry for each and every time you install an application, heh
[06:07] <SG1> Razor-X: BASH!
[06:07] <goldfish> why not bash? :)
[06:07] <weilawei> skalpel, using synaptic?
[06:07] <weilawei> do you mean turn it off?
[06:07] <skalpel> weilawei: okay
[06:07] <user_> Okay I am having difficulty playing MP3 in both XMMS and BMP - Output @ Esound... Why?? any ideas?
[06:07] <chaps0063> is there anything that is good to download entire websites?
[06:07] <robotgeek> SG1, i din't get what you said about vim...lost u there!
[06:07] <SG1> Razor-X: their site has been having issues..
[06:07] <joevandyk> I can use aplay to play wav's just fine.  But xmms, mplayer, etc won't play alsa sounds.
[06:07] <arentie> I'm having difficulty getting the CUPS Web Admin to work...how do I enable CUPS Web Admin?
[06:07] <cafuego> I was speaking with a an apple service person on the weeksna dn they were commenting how they'd already broken several putty knives opening up mac minis <heh>
[06:07] <SG1> robotgeek: vim is good :)
[06:07] <wastrel> bash
[06:07] <Thanatermesis> from what package provides "alsaconf" in ubuntu ?
[06:07] <thoreauputic> konki: it makes it think it is running as root ( not something you want to do too often , that chmod)
[06:07] <SG1> robotgeek: thats what I say about it ;)
[06:07] <robotgeek> SG1, i know...the screen stuff
[06:07] <Computer__Guru> user_:  is esd started? open a shell and type: sudo esd &
[06:07] <SG1> robotgeek: apt-get install screen and then man screen
[06:07] <konki> aight
[06:07] <Computer__Guru> and see if the daemon starts
[06:08] <SG1> robotgeek: screen is very nice.. useful.
[06:08] <Computer__Guru> or gives you an error
[06:08] <user_> yes
[06:08] <user_> esd is started
[06:08] <goldfish> screen is great
[06:08] <thoreauputic> Thanatermesis: ubuntu doesn't have alsaconf (don't ask)
[06:08] <user_> I get sounds in my Xorg
[06:08] <konki> anyone know how i can recover files i deleted to TRASH [just now] ?
[06:08] <user_> but no music in mp3 player
[06:08] <cafuego> konki: open trash, put the files back
[06:08] <Razor-X> well actually
[06:08] <goldfish> hmmm
[06:08] <Razor-X> PM me about the shell alternatives
[06:08] <konki> i emptied it..
[06:08] <chaps0063> site ripping software, anything good?
[06:08] <cafuego> konki: Then forget it
[06:08] <goldfish> Razor-X: fish.
[06:08] <Dr_Willis> heh - they aint in the trash then heh heh
[06:08] <Computer__Guru> open the preferences of xmms, and on the first plugins tab, click configure driver, and make sure it matches your xorg settings
[06:08] <robotgeek> SG1, i had it installed already...hmm, gonna use it for editing python code, i think!
[06:08] <tech> hello..  i need help. in some applications, my charset is not correct, or atleast it cant display foreign characters..
[06:08] <Razor-X> I _do_ have finals tomorrow (last day of them), and even though I know the stuff, I should continue cramming
[06:09] <konki> i had my commands in there...
[06:09] <weilawei> skalpel, if you just want to disable it, it's either an inetd service or a normal daemon. if it's inetd service, you comment the line out in /etc/inetd.conf and if it's running as a standalone, you can use update-rc.d identd remove
[06:09] <Thanatermesis> thoreauputic, how to posible to not have alsaconf ?
[06:09] <Computer__Guru> Razor-X:  if you know it, dont bother yourself with it. you'll do fine.
[06:09] <robotgeek> chaps0063, thry searching for httptrack on google
[06:09] <Razor-X> Computer__Guru: I have a tendancy to do stupid mistakes
[06:09] <Computer__Guru> no sense in studying somethig thats already been committed to memory
[06:09] <Razor-X> so, practice is of the essence
[06:09] <Computer__Guru> ah
[06:09] <thoreauputic> Thanatermesis: apparently they decided it caused more problems than it solved
[06:09] <Razor-X> that and my dad's gonna shout a storm at me
[06:09] <Computer__Guru> gotchya
[06:09] <Razor-X> so, yeah ;)
[06:10] <SG1> Razor-X: apt-get install mpd when your done with them ;)
[06:10] <chaps0063> robotgeek: thanks.
[06:10] <Computer__Guru> you live in .au right?
[06:10] <SG1> Razor-X: musicpd.org is deadish right now.
[06:10] <SG1> Razor-X: :(
[06:10] <tech> is there something i should install for having ubuntu display foreign characters  correctly?
[06:10] <SG1> Razor-X: its nice though.. controllable via ncurses,gtk,web,or plain old command line clients
[06:10] <konki> cafuego, is there a ubuntu landfill where i can search for my trash??
[06:10] <SG1> Razor-X: web is php fyi
[06:10] <Computer__Guru> the locale for that language would probably be a good idea
[06:10] <efigyidol> where is the default vsftpd root set?
[06:11] <wastrel> konki if you empty trash, it's gone
[06:11] <konki> .list or something??
[06:11] <user_> user      7417  0.0  0.7   5444  4040 ?        S    20:04   0:00 /usr/bin/esd -nobeeps
[06:11] <user_> I really dont understand why i cant get mp3's to play
[06:11] <Computer__Guru> dude
[06:11] <robotgeek> wastrel, wudn't undelete work ??
[06:11] <user_> Can anyone shine some light?
[06:11] <weilawei> !tell olaf about aol
[06:11] <Computer__Guru> your username is user?
[06:11] <user_> yeah
[06:11] <Computer__Guru> thats kinda cool, heh
[06:11] <konki> user_, play it w/VLC
[06:11] <user_> Im frustrated i cant play mp3's
[06:11] <user_> what's VLC?
[06:11] <konki> all kine of files
[06:12] <user_> Why should I have to use VLC.... it wont work in XMMS or BMP
[06:12] <SG1> user_: what does xmms/bmp do?
[06:12] <user_> it says Please check that:
[06:12] <robotgeek> user_, we are trying to eliminate causes of error here!
[06:12] <konki> plays most medias... VLC media player...
[06:12] <user_> Sound card is configured
[06:12] <user_> Sound card is not in use
[06:12] <SG1> user_: wait
[06:12] <user_> Etc...
[06:12] <SG1> user_: ok
[06:12] <SG1> user_: go into xmms's prefs
[06:12] <user_> I set it to esound already
[06:12] <SG1> user_: make sure its set to alsa
[06:12] <arentie> I'm having difficulty getting the CUPS Web Admin to work...how do I enable CUPS Web Admin?
[06:12] <SG1> user_: ah
[06:12] <user_> I set to both ALSA and Esound
[06:12] <SG1> user_: right gnome
[06:12] <regeya_> user_ you probably have esd running in the background, and xmms and bmp probably aren't set to use esd...that's just a guess...listen to SG1...
[06:13] <user_> and still doesnt work
[06:13] <regeya_> meep.
[06:13] <SG1> user_: do you have a light-weight wm installed?
[06:13] <user_> I set it to Esound regeya
[06:13] <wastrel> robotgeek, dunno never used it
[06:13] <user_> SG1 : Like fluxbox or something?
[06:13] <bimberi> arentie: Web based CUPS admin is disabled. Use System > Administration > Printing in Gnome
[06:13] <Computer__Guru> user_:  did you configure the esound driver in xmms?
[06:13] <SG1> user_: yeah fluxbox would do
[06:13] <SG1> Computer__Guru: he said he tried it
[06:13] <user_> Comp : Not really how should i configure it?
[06:13] <user_> it had a few limited options
[06:13] <Computer__Guru> he said he set it, he didnt say anything about configuring
[06:14] <chaps0063> robotgeek: dude, this is working great.
[06:14] <Computer__Guru> user_:  lok at the settings gnome has for esd, then make sure yours match in xmms
[06:14] <user_> okay...
[06:14] <Computer__Guru> lemme look at it
[06:14] <DekaPink> Yay, back on Ubuntu <3
[06:14] <user_> where is that control panel for Gnome Sound Settings
[06:14] <robotgeek> esound sucked for me, i use the OSS setting...weird, but it works great!
[06:14] <robotgeek> chaps0063, no problem!
[06:14] <user_> Really? hmm
[06:14] <Computer__Guru> i dont know, i use kde
[06:15] <thoreauputic> user_: some people have had success by installing libmikmod2 I think - but it should be installed as a dep anyway ( dpkg -l libmikmod2 to see )
[06:15] <Computer__Guru> hrmm
[06:15] <SG1> ah yeah that was a issue
[06:15] <vader1102> konki, bimberi, everyone....night going to bed and maybe I will wake up in a better mood!
[06:15] <SG1> thoreauputic: but it wont give an error I dont think.. it just doesnt do anything
[06:15] <user_> it wasnt installed thor
[06:15] <user_> im installing it now
[06:15] <Computer__Guru> hey, try telling xmms to connect to a host for esd, and specify your box's ip address
[06:16] <SG1> thoreauputic: it gives the mikmod error in console
[06:16] <Computer__Guru> im curious :D
[06:16] <konki> vader1102, g'nite thanks
[06:16] <user_> Still doesnt work....
[06:16] <thoreauputic> hmm
[06:16] <Computer__Guru> ah well, twas worth a shot
[06:16] <Computer__Guru> that one really SHOULD work
[06:16] <SG1> user_: kill esound
[06:16] <SG1> user_: set xmms to alsa
[06:16] <user_> Why.... i need esound :(
[06:16] <SG1> user_: play music
[06:16] <user_> I want sound channels
[06:16] <ramblingturtle> how would i go about downloading but not installing packages with apt-get to a specific directory
[06:16] <SG1> user_: lol.
[06:16] <user_> I want to hear the blips and bleeps
[06:16] <user_> when i switch tasks and such
[06:16] <Computer__Guru> does esound support ac3 decoding?
[06:16] <SG1> user_: I personally have hardware mixing.. so I never run into this.
[06:17] <Computer__Guru> that'd be nice to get my 5.1 goin
[06:17] <user_> i should have hardware mixing this is a 2003 machine
[06:17] <thoreauputic> ramblingturtle: use the -d option (not sure on the specific directory)
[06:17] <wastrel> ok what repository do i find nethack in?
[06:17] <Computer__Guru> user_:  hardware mixing was actually more common with older, better built sound cards
[06:17] <SG1> Computer__Guru: my 5.1 works :)
[06:17] <SG1> Computer__Guru: actually 7.1 but hey
[06:17] <user_> Windows XP Plays multiple sounds at once
[06:17] <user_> on this machine
[06:17] <Computer__Guru> one of the first to have hardware mixing was the pro-audio spectrum
[06:18] <rob^> !alsa
[06:18] <ubotu> rob^: Bugger all, i dunno
[06:18] <Computer__Guru> probablyt he best stereo card ever produced
[06:18] <rob^> hmm
[06:18] <rob^> theres a way to do it user_
[06:18] <Computer__Guru> SG1:  you using esd?
[06:18] <rob^> !sound
[06:18] <ubotu> [sound]  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[06:18] <SG1> Computer__Guru: nope
[06:18] <thoreauputic> wastrel: nethack is in universe
[06:18] <SG1> Computer__Guru: My card supports ardware mixing
[06:18] <user_> bah man im about to give up
[06:18] <SG1> Computer__Guru: all is alsa here
[06:18] <thoreauputic> wastrel: apt-cache policy nethack to see
[06:18] <user_> ive never had problems playing mp3's efore
[06:18] <SG1> user_: try artsd?
[06:18] <SG1> user_: XD
[06:18] <user_> lol
[06:18] <user_> > >
[06:18] <wastrel> thoreauputic, unable to locate package nethack :] 
[06:19] <Computer__Guru> SG1:  I'll have to play with the config then.. i have a built in i810 audio card and it says it has ac3
[06:19] <wastrel> thoreauputic, just finished install, need to add stuff to sources.list ......
[06:19] <user_> i have i810 too i think
[06:19] <thoreauputic> wastrel: then you need to add the universe repo
[06:19] <Computer__Guru> and i have ac3 compatible speakers
[06:19] <bimberi> user_: do you have any sound at all? (eg. system sounds)?
[06:19] <SG1> Computer__Guru: i810 anything can be odd...
[06:19] <Computer__Guru> i'd LOVE to have 5.1 :)
[06:19] <user_> i have an intel ich 5
[06:19] <SG1> Computer__Guru: hmm
[06:19] <user_> Yes! Gnome has sound effects
[06:19] <SG1> Computer__Guru: I have a friend with an i810
[06:19] <Computer__Guru> I'll just play with the config
[06:19] <user_> sound works in gnome just doesnt work in media player
[06:19] <SG1> Computer__Guru: I'll ask him next time hes on
[06:19] <wastrel> what is 'restricted' repo?
[06:19] <user_> cant play mp3
[06:20] <Computer__Guru> ok, but ill probably have it done by then :D
[06:20] <Dorfl> Hi. As you can see now, my router isn't having any trouble letting me connect to IRC (and it isn't my ISP either - I've just checked two) when I'm on XP. How do I go about fixing the problem in Ubuntu?
[06:20] <joevandyk> How come I don't see alsa-esd in my synaptic?  i'm running with 64 bits, btw
[06:20] <SG1> user_: so esd works.... oddness
[06:20] <user_> yeah
[06:20] <crimsun> user_: which media player application?
[06:20] <SG1> Dorfl: do you have dhcp on your network?
[06:20] <user_> Sound is working in Gnome just fine
[06:20] <user_> Crimsun : Ive tried both xmms and bmp
[06:20] <user_> Both do not play with Esound plugin selected
[06:20] <crimsun> user_: change the output plugins on those to esound
[06:20] <Dorfl> SG1: I think so.
[06:20] <user_> Been there done that crimsun
[06:20] <SG1> Dorfl: what happens on ubuntu?
[06:21] <olaf> anyone know of pengaol works on ubuntu?
[06:21] <bimberi> user_: Applications -> Sound & Video -> Volume Control - check settings there
[06:21] <crimsun> user_: what's your default sink in System> Preferences> Multimedia Systems Selector ?
[06:21] <Razor-X> man, does my attention span wander...
[06:21] <user_> bimberi Volume is OKAy sounds are heard from Gnome
[06:21] <Computer__Guru> Current song: 19. System of a Down - Revenga
[06:21] <user_> One sec crimsun Ill check
[06:21] <Dorfl> It is stuck on "trying to connect" or something similar. HTTP works just fine.
[06:21] <SG1> Razor-X: back to irc we see
[06:21] <Razor-X> I just called Leo Laporte: ``The Tech Equivalent of Elvis''
[06:21] <user_> Output : ESD
[06:21] <SG1> Dorfl: possible that dns-round robins hated you
[06:21] <Dorfl> Trying to connect to the IRC servers, that is.
[06:21] <bimberi> user_: yes - got that - still could be a setting tho
[06:21] <user_> Crimsun output is ESD
[06:21] <SG1> Dorfl: next time try the ip of the server
[06:22] <user_> Bimberi my problem is not with audio volume, its that it refuses to open the device and shows a dialog
[06:22] <SG1> Dorfl: you can get that by running host irc.freenode.net in console
[06:22] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: heh - he'd love that - he used to be a DJ :)
[06:22] <user_> I get this error when trying to play MP3's
[06:22] <SG1> Razor-X: lol...
[06:22] <btsdev> I'm trying to install madwifi... I'm following a recent HOWTO on the ubuntu forums and they told me to 'apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386' and later sets a variable KERNELPATH to /usr/src/linux-2.6.10-5-386 but i don't have that folder.. i only have a 2.6.10-5 and a 2.6.10 *headers* folder.  was i supposed to download the kernel source, too?
[06:22] <bimberi> user_: k - I'll stop hassling you
[06:22] <Dorfl> SG1: OK, thanks. But... can't I fix it so the dns thingie works fine?
[06:22] <SG1> Dorfl: that might be a bind issue
[06:22] <Razor-X> SG1: I said that ``I'll bet some geek girl will see you, go swoon, and fall because she saw The Leo Laporte''
[06:22] <Dorfl> That is?
[06:22] <tech> is there a way to reconfigure ubuntu? i want to change some settings i did in the installation
[06:22] <Razor-X> I hope he notices that ;)
[06:22] <SG1> Razor-X: lool.
[06:22] <Computer__Guru> btsdev:  it seems it would have made you do that when it installed the headers
[06:23] <SG1> Dorfl: the software that does dns
[06:23] <goldfish> tech: whatsettings?
[06:23] <Computer__Guru> but it might be in /usr/include
[06:23] <Computer__Guru> ill check
[06:23] <tech> goldfish, charset
[06:23] <wastrel> can't install pymol -> broken dependency.  what should i do?
[06:23] <Dorfl> I'm a total newbie. Speak plain Gibberish please.
[06:23] <user_> HEres my error
[06:23] <user_> Please check that:
[06:23] <btsdev> Computer__Guru: yea that's what i thought but "ls /usr/src" only shows 2 headers folders... 2.6.10 2.6.10-5
[06:23] <SG1> Dorfl: the other thing is.. its possible... that the server the round-robin picked wasdead
[06:23] <user_> Your soundcard is configured properly.
[06:23] <SG1> Dorfl: so...
[06:24] <user_> You have the correct output plugin selected.
[06:24] <Dorfl> I tried several. Including this one.
[06:24] <user_> No other program is blocking out the soundcard.
[06:24] <SG1> Dorfl:I see.
[06:24] <SG1> Dorfl: hrm, thats a new one..
[06:24] <btsdev> Computer__Guru: thanks for checking.
[06:24] <SG1> Dorfl: fresh ubuntu install?
[06:24] <joevandyk> Why can't mplayer or xmms use alsa when aplay works fine?
[06:24] <Dorfl> Yes.,
[06:24] <user_> Im gonna try mpg123
[06:24] <user_> se eif that can play mp3's
[06:24] <Computer__Guru> it's 2.6.10-5, the -386 is a metapackage
[06:25] <rob^> what fax program does everyone use?
[06:25] <user_> Okay mpg123 says cant find suitable libao driver (is audio device in use?)
[06:25] <btsdev> Computer__Guru: hmm i'm not really sure how to get a /usr/src/linux-2.6.10-5-386 folder like the guide has :/
[06:26] <user_> Basically the same error xmms and bmp give me
[06:26] <Computer__Guru> btsdev:  it's installed in /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5
[06:26] <Razor-X> user_: is some other app using audio?
[06:26] <Computer__Guru> just make the adjustment, it'll be fine
[06:26] <user_> razor : i have esd running
[06:26] <user_> but it supports mixing doesnt it?
[06:26] <Computer__Guru> or
[06:26] <wastrel> any hints on installing pymol?
[06:26] <Razor-X> user_: no
[06:26] <user_> i thought it's a mixer
[06:26] <btsdev> Computer__Guru: oh.. so set the environment variables to THAT folder... sweet
[06:26] <user_> how do i get it to support mixing
[06:26] <Razor-X> user_: not by default, unless your alsa does
[06:26] <thoreauputic> user_: have you tried "killall esd" before running xmms ?
[06:26] <joevandyk> Anyone know why I can't play sounds with alsa with xmms or mplayer?
[06:26] <btsdev> Computer__Guru: thanks.  i'll give it a whorl.
[06:27] <user_> do i need a special esound.conf
[06:27] <user_> ?
[06:27] <Razor-X> you have to do some editing to your alsa stuff
[06:27] <Computer__Guru> mv linux-headers-2.6.10-5 linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[06:27] <user_> for mixer
[06:27] <Computer__Guru> or whatever
[06:27] <Razor-X> and maybe your esound.conf, I believe
[06:27] <jasoncohen> why is resizing of firefox so unsmooth/slow?
[06:27] <user_> ok
[06:27] <goldfish> alsamixer
[06:27] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, did you ever link me to that page about the Via Envy
[06:27] <mebaran151> is it as a good a card as my old Audigy 2
[06:27] <Computer__Guru> mebaran151:  no, gimme a sec, i forgot
[06:27] <mebaran151> I would love to not have to buy another Creative car dagain
[06:27] <HrdwrBoB> mebaran151: creative cards are good
[06:28] <cs378> What those this mean: dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[06:28] <HrdwrBoB> (for linux)
[06:28] <mebaran151> HrdwrBoB, yeah, but I have a SFF
[06:28] <mebaran151> with Via Envy
[06:28] <btsdev> Computer__Guru: I'm in business. thanks.
[06:28] <wastrel> pymol:  Depends: python (< 2.4) but 2.4.1-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[06:28] <mebaran151> I hope it is supported ...
[06:28] <wastrel> E: Broken packages
[06:28] <cs378> nvm got it
[06:28] <La_PaRCa> cs378, it means you have one instance of synaptic already running
[06:28] <Computer__Guru> yo is it an eden or an envy?
[06:28] <HrdwrBoB> mebaran151: envy is supported
[06:28] <thoreauputic> cs378: you probably have another apt/synaptic/dpkg instance running
[06:28] <cs378> La_paRCa: yeah, thx
[06:28] <user_> does anyone have the custom esound.conf for mixing?
[06:28] <user_> or know where i can grab it
[06:28] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, eden is a really cool microprocessor
[06:28] <Razor-X> user_: read up on alsa and dmix
[06:28] <user_> so i can have esd running and play mp3's
[06:29] <mebaran151> Envy is a snd card
[06:29] <mebaran151> that is my next step
[06:29] <user_> razor : esd wont support mixing?
[06:29] <Razor-X> user_: no you can have esd up and play mp3s
[06:29] <joevandyk> I just bought a sound blaster card, but mplayer won't play sounds using alsa.
[06:29] <mebaran151> compiling Linux for Eden
[06:29] <Computer__Guru> oh durp
[06:29] <Computer__Guru> holdon
[06:29] <Razor-X> just can't have two of them at once
[06:29] <Razor-X> esd uses alsa
[06:29] <joevandyk> anyone know why?
[06:29] <user_> RazorX : Its not working
[06:29] <user_> RazorX : Esd is up, xmms wont play mp3's
[06:29] <Razor-X> user_: did you try ``killall esd'' ?
[06:29] <Computer__Guru> mebaran151:  go to alsa.org and see if the chipset is supported :)
[06:29] <Razor-X> and then try playing it again?
[06:29] <user_> Why should I have to kill esd if it supports mixing?
[06:29] <mebaran151> but I dont know what kind of arch Eden is
[06:29] <mebaran151> is ARM
[06:29] <Razor-X> user_: ....... it doesen't support mixign
[06:29] <mebaran151> or x86
[06:29] <Razor-X> s/mixign/mixing/
[06:29] <user_> Oh heres something funny
[06:29] <Computer__Guru> eden is x86, i believe
[06:30] <user_> I killed esd and xmms still doesnt play mp3's
[06:30] <Razor-X> but mixing and mp3s don't have anything to do with each other
[06:30] <mebaran151> what c flags do I mix in to a Via Eden processor
[06:30] <Razor-X> mixing allows you to play two simeltaneous streams
[06:30] <Razor-X> odd....
[06:30] <user_> RazorX : I want the blips and bleeps from gnome and be able to play music simultaenously
[06:30] <thoreauputic> user_: we are troubleshooting... if killing esd works you know esd is the problem, right?
[06:30] <user_> when i kill esd i lose the blips and bleeps in gnome
[06:30] <Computer__Guru> www.via.com.tw click products, then processors, then eden or eden-n
[06:30] <user_> No killing esd didnt work
[06:30] <Razor-X> blips and bleeps are generally overridden if you're playing something
[06:30] <f4phantom2500> hello
[06:30] <user_> razor todays sound cards support multiplexing
[06:30] <Razor-X> user_: not all of them
[06:30] <user_> you can do multiple sound cards
[06:30] <crimsun> user_: not all.
[06:30] <user_> multiple sound effects
[06:30] <Razor-X> very few support multiplexing by default
[06:31] <user_> mine does...
[06:31] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, it doesnt talk about Linux much
[06:31] <Razor-X> user_: well, is it Linux compatibile?
[06:31] <mebaran151> I want to use those nifty cryptographic features
[06:31] <f4phantom2500> i had a real quick question...at least i hope its real quick
[06:31] <joevandyk> Razor-X, Soundblaster's should support it, right?
[06:31] <skalpel> hi, did someone say my name?
[06:31] <Razor-X> joevandyk: doubt it
[06:31] <user_> anyways I killed esd and i still cant play mp3...
[06:31] <mebaran151> skalpel, we did nt
[06:31] <Computer__Guru> mebaran151:  i believe arch=i686 is appropriate, i586 is definately well suited
[06:31] <Razor-X> there's only one that works will in Linux
[06:31] <Razor-X> (something by Creative, I believe)
[06:31] <user_> my Sigmatel's worked w/ mixing
[06:31] <joevandyk> uh, Soundblaster Lives?
[06:31] <Razor-X> user_: in what OS?
[06:31] <user_> my last dell supported it
[06:31] <user_> both winxp and linux
[06:31] <crimsun> not all sblives do.
[06:32] <user_> this one supports it in winxp but i havent gotten it to work in linux yet
[06:32] <Razor-X> user_: WinXP uses software
[06:32] <Computer__Guru> mebaran151:  show me the specs on this laptop
[06:32] <Razor-X> if i'm not mistaken
[06:32] <f4phantom2500> does ne1 no how to access files on my windows drive while in ubuntu?
[06:32] <Razor-X> and your linux distro might have had multiplexing by default
[06:32] <goldfish> f4phantom2500: mount the drive.
[06:32] <f4phantom2500> how?
[06:32] <thoreauputic> !mountwindows
[06:32] <user_> Well what would be the problem if i killed ESD and I still cannot play mp3's?
[06:32] <ubotu> I heard mountwindows is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[06:32] <user_> ESD played sounds FINE.... xmms and bmp do not
[06:33] <crimsun> user_: if you killed esd, then how is the esound output plugin supposed to work?
[06:33] <robotgeek> lol
[06:33] <Razor-X> user_: did you try alsaplayer?
[06:33] <user_> What should I change my output plugin to?
[06:33] <Computer__Guru> thats why i dont like esd
[06:33] <Razor-X> you have to restart esd
[06:33] <mebaran151> the Via Envy looks almost as nice as my old Audigy 2, without all the resampling nonsense
[06:33] <crimsun> user_: or use alsa or oss
[06:33] <thoreauputic> user_: if you kill esd you'll need to select oss or alsa as output in xmms
[06:33] <robotgeek> poor guy, must be all confused!
[06:33] <user_> MP3 works now
[06:33] <user_> no bass though .. sub woofer isnt workin lol
[06:33] <crimsun> user_: when did you kill esd?
[06:33] <mebaran151> Razor-X, why why hwy
[06:34] <crimsun> user_: adjust the LFE and/or Surround elements in your mixer
[06:34] <Computer__Guru> mebaran151:  yeah, it's a good chip. you're getting an eden in it too? where can i see the specs ont his notebook?
[06:34] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I think arTS works better than esd, IMO
[06:34] <mebaran151> I think Esd and Arts are equal evils of equal natures
[06:34] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, no specs
[06:34] <andres> Menu Editor
[06:34] <andres> Nama: K3b
[06:34] <andres> Command: gksudo /usr/bin/k3b
[06:34] <andres> Icon: /usr/share/pixmaps/k3b.xpm
[06:34] <andres> Category: Accesorios
[06:34] <f4phantom2500> does the fact that windows is on a different hard drive effect this at all?
[06:34] <andres>  Pulsa Guarda
[06:34] <andres> como hacer eso ?
[06:34] <mebaran151> built it myself
[06:34] <f4phantom2500> i mean is it the same process?
[06:34] <HrdwrBoB> Razor-X: no, arts is more evil
[06:34] <Computer__Guru> no shit
[06:34] <Computer__Guru> where?
[06:34] <mebaran151> it is the built in mother board
[06:34] <Razor-X> Andares: #ubuntu-es
[06:34] <mebaran151> well I went o Fries
[06:34] <Razor-X> HrdwrBoB: it cooperates for me *shrugs*
[06:34] <mebaran151> it is in on eof the HTPC's
[06:34] <mebaran151> no name brand
[06:34] <user_> lol wtf dude my sub woofer doesnt work
[06:34] <user_> ><
[06:34] <mebaran151> 350 watt power and PCI-E
[06:34] <HrdwrBoB> Razor-X: I'm sure it does, but it's still more evil :)
[06:34] <mebaran151> very interesting setup
[06:35] <Razor-X> haha
[06:35] <brian__> ok where is bob2?
[06:35] <skalpel> does anyone know of a client for soulseek besides nicotine that works well?
[06:35] <Razor-X> subwoofers are for people with money
[06:35] <Razor-X> which I obviously don't have ;)
[06:35] <mebaran151> Razor-X, like me!
[06:35] <Computer__Guru> what's the site for the via based system & mobo
[06:35] <Computer__Guru> and does the screen come with?
[06:35] <Razor-X> mebaran151: my parents have lots of money ;)
[06:35] <mebaran151> hmmm, I will find it
[06:35] <brian__> damn
[06:35] <Razor-X> I don't though, heh
[06:35] <mebaran151> Razor-X, try the monsoon line of speakers
[06:35] <mebaran151> crystal claer highs
[06:35] <Razor-X> mebaran151: how much do they cost?
[06:35] <f4phantom2500> im trying to access files from windows; its on a different drive than ubuntu, do i still go through the same process with mounting it and all?
[06:35] <user_> okay well i have to say this sound support is cheesy :(
[06:36] <user_> my sub woofer isnt even working lol
[06:36] <f4phantom2500> i have an audigy es...works fine
[06:36] <Razor-X> user_: I don't think it'll work by default
[06:36] <joevandyk> Why won't mplayer play alsa sounds correctly?
[06:36] <user_> maybe it's a windows xp thing
[06:36] <SG1> lol.
[06:36] <robotgeek> i have a nice headphones!
[06:36] <Computer__Guru> i got a $35 ac3 surround system at wal*mart that sounds like a $300 system.
[06:36] <user_> its a inspiron 9100 w/ built in subwoofer
[06:36] <thoreauputic> f4phantom2500: sudo fdisk -l to see your drives and partitions
[06:36] <user_> laptop
[06:36] <user_> its prolly triggered by software
[06:36] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, and you lie!
[06:36] <f4phantom2500> it only shows up linux partitions
[06:36] <user_> which Linux doesnt have
[06:36] <Computer__Guru> mebaran151:  excuse me?
[06:37] <mebaran151> jk
[06:37] <crimsun> joevandyk: are you using -ao alsa ?
[06:37] <Computer__Guru> heh
[06:37] <f4phantom2500> should it still show the windows one since its on a different drive?
[06:37] <bob2> brian__: ?
[06:37] <rommer> how can i change the style of text boxes and such
[06:37] <joevandyk> crimsun, yup
[06:37] <brian__> ok i just purchased cedaga
[06:37] <Computer__Guru> seriously, it sounds great
[06:37] <mebaran151> I am skeptical of the cheap nature of the expensive sounding speaker systems
[06:37] <user_> brian : Does it work with ffxi?
[06:37] <brian__> it will support ubuntu?
[06:37] <Computer__Guru> no hiss, no buzz... nice deep bass, piercing highs, no distortion at VERY high volume
[06:37] <Computer__Guru> excellent little setup..
[06:37] <user_> I want to get cedega to play FFXI in linux but i heard it doesnt work well
[06:37] <crimsun> joevandyk: are you using the versions compiled by Ubuntu?
[06:37] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, do you know if there are any software DTS-ES decoders for Linux
[06:37] <robotgeek> i got my headphones for abt 13$, and they have worked great for 2 years now!
[06:37] <Computer__Guru> would like to add an external sub though
[06:37] <mebaran151> or Dolby Digital
[06:37] <joevandyk> crimsun, not of mplayer
[06:37] <Computer__Guru> i dunno
[06:38] <brian__> i purchased a whole year
[06:38] <mebaran151> I would like to do to make it work
[06:38] <brian__> and i am lost
[06:38] <Randall64> Anyone happen to upgrade to a breezy libc6 in hoary?
[06:38] <crimsun> joevandyk: you compiled mplayer yourself?
[06:38] <Computer__Guru> im trying to find out if my ac3 i810 can output 5.1 :)
[06:38] <thoreauputic> f4phantom2500: presumably your windows installation is on /dev/hda1 (unless you did something fancy)
[06:38] <bob2> brian__: talk to transgaming
[06:38] <Computer__Guru> Current song: 23. Alice In Chains - Man In The Box
[06:38] <mebaran151> crimsun, shouldnt you?
[06:38] <joevandyk> crimsun, yes
[06:38] <crimsun> joevandyk: dpkg -l libasound2-dev|grep ^ii
[06:38] <brian__> oh great
[06:38] <crimsun> mebaran151: no, it's not necessary
[06:38] <f4phantom2500> hmm...yeah probably; nothin fancy
[06:38] <mebaran151> crimsun, but you guys always compile it badly
[06:38] <jasmuz> Computer__Guru: i doubt it
[06:38] <robotgeek> Computer__Guru, the xmms plugin?
[06:38] <f4phantom2500> ooo pfft im an idiot
[06:38] <mebaran151> no largefile support
[06:39] <brian__> bob2 is good for nothin
[06:39] <mebaran151> no xvid support out of the box
[06:39] <crimsun> mebaran151: how so?
[06:39] <f4phantom2500> the window was too small for me to see the top part
[06:39] <brian__> apparently
[06:39] <bob2> brian__: thanks!
[06:39] <f4phantom2500> i only saw the results for hdb
[06:39] <brian__> np!
[06:39] <f4phantom2500> thanks
[06:39] <bob2> brian__: you can apply for a full refund
[06:39] <mebaran151> no SSE2 or anything fancy, even on amd64
[06:39] <robotgeek> :)
[06:39] <bob2> brian__: you gave them money, presumably they give you support
[06:39] <brian__> i dont want to just give up
[06:39] <mebaran151> so a good custom compile makes it very fast
[06:39] <Micksa> um
[06:39] <joevandyk> crimsun, crap, installing libasound2-dev
[06:39] <thoreauputic> f4phantom2500: :) heheh
[06:39] <Micksa> how long has mozilla been uninstallable on hoary for?
[06:39] <bob2> brian__: they didn't give you any sintructions at all?
[06:39] <mebaran151> brian__, transgaming knows it software better than we do
[06:39] <Micksa> hang on...
[06:39] <trevi> what happend Brian...
[06:39] <crimsun> mebaran151: sure, but that doesn't necessarily suit our general audience
[06:39] <crimsun> joevandyk: heh, thought so.
[06:39] <Computer__Guru> jasmuz:  i might have to do some manual compiling and installing, but i'll bet you someone's written a driver for it.. if it works in windows, they like to make sure it works in linux too.. especially if it's a high circulation card, like onboards, especially intel onboards
[06:40] <joevandyk> crimsun, what's the difference between alsa and esd?  which one should i use?
[06:40] <Tommo> How do i install a gnome splash screen?
[06:40] <thoreauputic> Micksa: it is installable - I installed it yesterday
[06:40] <mebaran151> crimsun, but couldnt you statically compile in SSE2 for the AMD64 guys out there
[06:40] <mebaran151> every 64 bit cpu does them
[06:40] <joevandyk> with esd, i have mplayer and xmms playing sounds at the same time.
[06:40] <brian__> Im just about embark on a long journey
[06:40] <mebaran151> and largefile support does cost anything
[06:40] <crimsun> joevandyk: esd makes things easier in the short term. You may gain better performance with alsa directly.
[06:40] <brian__> just thought i could get some help here
[06:40] <trevi> about the GOTY stuff?
[06:40] <robotgeek> joevandyk, with esd, my sound really craps out!
[06:40] <joevandyk> crimsun, but alsa just supports one sound at a time, right?
[06:41] <crimsun> joevandyk: correct, unless your hardware does multiopen natively.
[06:41] <kakalto> is there a guide or something to tweaking ubuntu?
[06:41] <mebaran151> crimsun, does the Via Envy support that
[06:42] <f4phantom2500> thoreauputic:  thanks man, looks like it worked
[06:42] <Computer__Guru> agpgart: Detected an Intel i845 Chipset.
[06:42] <thoreauputic> Micksa: just FYI - mozilla is now invoked as mozilla-suite
[06:42] <kakalto> anyone?
[06:42] <Computer__Guru> intel8x0_measure_ac97_clock: measured 79038 usecs
[06:42] <Computer__Guru> intel8x0: clocking to 41162
[06:42] <user_> my built in subwoofer doesnt work
[06:42] <joevandyk> crimsun, I just got a sound blaster live card
[06:42] <crimsun> mebaran151: what's the underlying chipset?
[06:42] <thoreauputic> f4phantom2500: you're welcome :)
[06:42] <mebaran151> a Via Envy
[06:42] <Computer__Guru> ac97 is 7.1, no?
[06:42] <joevandyk> crimsun, not sure if it does or not
[06:42] <user_> w/ oss on my inspiron 9100
[06:42] <crimsun> joevandyk: which sblive?
[06:42] <mebaran151> Envy 24PT
[06:42] <joevandyk> 24 bits
[06:42] <mebaran151> it has very good SNR
[06:42] <jasmuz> kakalto: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31094&highlight=setting+ubuntu+network
[06:42] <crimsun> joevandyk: no, you'll need to use dmix.
[06:42] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, nope
[06:42] <joevandyk> dmix?
[06:42] <f4phantom2500> thoreauputic:  do i have to do this every time i want to access files on it, or is this mount permanent?
[06:43] <mebaran151> that is new Azalia Intel standard
[06:43] <robotgeek> dmix and alsa.
[06:43] <Computer__Guru> so its ac3
[06:43] <crimsun> mebaran151: the snd-hda-intel driver powers that. It does not do multiopen natively.
[06:43] <kakalto> jasmuz, is it there?
[06:43] <thoreauputic> f4phantom2500: to make it permanent you need a line in /etc/fstab for it
[06:43] <Computer__Guru> okay, either way, it'll do
[06:43] <jasmuz> kakalto: search
[06:43] <twermund> what are yall talking about?
[06:43] <Computer__Guru> mebaran151:  did you ever tell me what site you bought the bare system from?
[06:43] <thoreauputic> f4phantom2500: see the bottom of the page ubotu gives below
[06:43] <Micksa> okay, it was a mirror problem.
[06:43] <Micksa> never mind.
[06:44] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, no site
[06:44] <thoreauputic> !mountwindows
[06:44] <ubotu> rumour has it, mountwindows is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[06:44] <mebaran151> Fry's Electronics
[06:44] <Computer__Guru> oh
[06:44] <mebaran151> it was in a little case
[06:44] <mebaran151> all alone
[06:44] <crimsun> joevandyk: there are some tips for dmix on alsa.opensrc.org under AlsaSharing
[06:44] <robotgeek> mebaran151: the one with lindows?
[06:44] <mebaran151> like the hardware they dont know what to do with
[06:44] <mebaran151> robotgeek, nope
[06:44] <mebaran151> it is a bare motherbaord CPU combo
[06:44] <Computer__Guru> hahaha
[06:44] <jazzanova> hi
[06:44] <jazzanova> just installed ubuntu
[06:44] <mebaran151> 1 ghz Eden with Via Envy onboard
[06:44] <robotgeek> mebaran151: i saw one for 199, with lindows on it
[06:44] <f4phantom2500> thoreauputic:  oh yeah i think i did that in a walkthrough of sorts on the ubuntu site
[06:44] <Computer__Guru> whatd u pay for it?
[06:44] <mebaran151> 200 something
[06:45] <nicedreams> what do you type to install kde on ubuntu hoary?
[06:45] <mebaran151> closer to 300 than 200
[06:45] <Computer__Guru> this is a laptop right?
[06:45] <mebaran151> no
[06:45] <nicedreams> kubuntu-desktop?
[06:45] <Computer__Guru> oh
[06:45] <The_Vox> nicedreams: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[06:45] <mebaran151> just a SFF
[06:45] <thoreauputic> f4phantom2500: the "auto" option in fstab makes it mount on boot
[06:45] <nicedreams> the--dud, thx
[06:45] <Computer__Guru> i thought you had a laptop
[06:45] <mebaran151> without anything else
[06:45] <f4phantom2500> i see
[06:45] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, I do from Dell
[06:45] <f4phantom2500> thanks man
[06:45] <nicedreams> just wanted to make sure before i install it
[06:45] <Computer__Guru> ah
[06:46] <mebaran151> I am going to figure out away to stream movies to it from my main rig
[06:46] <robotgeek> dells are just too expensive, and they are supposedly the cheapest around
[06:46] <mebaran151> I wonder if I could hack the hardware encrypter to do the MPEG4 codec
[06:46] <nicedreams> does having both gnome and kde slow the system down any?  like if i'm in gnome, are kde components running in the background?
[06:46] <mebaran151> that would be SWEET
[06:46] <robotgeek> mebaran151: check out some of bbc's open source stuff
[06:46] <mebaran151> similr idea right
[06:46] <wastrel> anyone use galeon?
[06:46] <mebaran151> both very bit intensive
[06:46] <f4phantom2500> well im out i guess
[06:46] <Computer__Guru> i had a toshiba satellite a10 2.2ghz pentium-m, 384mb ram, killer ac3, built in mic, 15" panoramic screen
[06:46] <mebaran151> bbc's?
[06:46] <f4phantom2500> thoreauputic:  thanks again dude
[06:46] <thoreauputic> wastrel: sometimes, yes
[06:46] <Computer__Guru> touchpad
[06:47] <thoreauputic> f4phantom2500: no worries :)
[06:47] <mebaran151> because I dont have much to hide, but a lot to encode
[06:47] <robotgeek> mebaran151: i tht they had some streaming stuff there, bbc...british brodcasting corp.
[06:47] <Computer__Guru> none of that aggrivating nubbin thing
[06:47] <f4phantom2500> thoreauputic:  saved me quite a bit of trouble
[06:47] <mebaran151> and the hardware encoder is supposed to be crazy
[06:47] <mebaran151> robotgeek, oh THAT bbc
[06:47] <jazzanova> i don't use gnome, i use ratpoison. how can i get the thing about battery status that notifies me ?
[06:47] <robotgeek> mebaran151: :)
[06:47] <wastrel> thoreauputic, the new toolbar - any way to make it smaller?
[06:47] <f4phantom2500> g'night all
[06:47] <robotgeek> jazzanova: try torsmo
[06:47] <wastrel> thoreauputic, like, remove the text under the buttons?  stuff like that
[06:47] <Computer__Guru> dell is pretty cheap...
[06:47] <thoreauputic> wastrel: I haven't tried, frankly
[06:47] <jazzanova> thanks robotgeek
[06:48] <mebaran151> I wonder if I could stream over ssh
[06:48] <mebaran151> to my friends everywhere
[06:48] <Computer__Guru> wal*mart has a C7 1GHz laptop with 40gb, 256, and lindows for $450
[06:48] <Computer__Guru> 14" screen
[06:48] <mebaran151> do you think 7 mbps is enough for video
[06:48] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, not a bad deal
[06:48] <mebaran151> the C7 is an awesome chip
[06:48] <Computer__Guru> no, not at _all_ wal*mart.com
[06:48] <Computer__Guru> err -*
[06:48] <mebaran151> its encryuption abilities are massive
[06:48] <mebaran151> reading the specs
[06:49] <tech> what would you say would be the main differences beetween ubuntu and debian?
[06:49] <mebaran151> it beat a P4 3.2 by like 10 times
[06:49] <wastrel> stuipd toolbar takes like an inch of screen space
[06:49] <Computer__Guru> not to mention the mobo's built on video decoder
[06:49] <mebaran151> and if it can encrypt I can make it run the encoding
[06:49] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, it has a built in decoder?
[06:49] <Computer__Guru> uh huh
[06:49] <mebaran151> the new Nvidias do something like that
[06:49] <wastrel> galeon used to be so good :[
[06:49] <mebaran151> the 660 has a programmable interrupt
[06:50] <Madpilot> evening, all
[06:50] <robotgeek> hi
[06:50] <Computer__Guru> every nano-itx board ive ever seen with a via processor has had tv-out, spd/if out, and a built in multi-format video decoder
[06:50] <mebaran151> s/660/6600
[06:50] <thoreauputic> wastrel: yes, it's been downhill ever since 1.3 - I use FF mostly now
[06:50] <jazzanova> robotgeek: torsmo is in universe, i take it ?
[06:50] <mebaran151> does the decoder do mpeg4
[06:50] <robotgeek> jazzanova: i guess so
[06:51] <Computer__Guru> i like the idea of a processor that you can run without a fan at full speed.. imagine how far you could overclock that chip if you put a cooling system on it :D
[06:51] <wastrel> thoreauputic, yeah FF same .... :/
[06:51] <Computer__Guru> i dunno
[06:51] <robotgeek> !info torsmo
[06:51] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, probably not that much
[06:51] <ubotu> torsmo: (System monitor that sits in the corner of your desktop), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 0.17-4 (hoary), Packaged size: 30 kB, Installed size: 108 kB
[06:51] <Computer__Guru> ya never know
[06:51] <mebaran151> Eden's are nice for so many things though
[06:51] <mebaran151> blade servers
[06:51] <mebaran151> (though the Pentium M is great too)
[06:51] <mebaran151> but the Eden even more so
[06:51] <mebaran151> and thin clients come to mind
[06:51] <puff> Hm, I just installed hoary hedgehog, should I update it?
[06:51] <Computer__Guru> the c7 pulls like 20w @ 2ghz
[06:51] <puff> Er, upgrade via apt.
[06:51] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, crazy
[06:52] <wastrel> puff yes
[06:52] <robotgeek> puff: yeah
[06:52] <mebaran151> but what is it's IPC
[06:52] <Computer__Guru> yeah
[06:52] <jazzanova> i have lots of .deb packages that were shipped with the ubuntu install. does apt see them on my system ?
[06:52] <thoreauputic> wastrel: I think there's a need for a *genuinely* lightweight nrowser that will run on old hardware - dillo is too primitive and Firefox is now too slow :/
[06:52] <Computer__Guru> i dunno
[06:52] <thoreauputic> *browser
[06:52] <mebaran151> thoreauputic, dillo works
[06:52] <robotgeek> lynx, elinks :)
[06:52] <mebaran151> sorry it is too primitive
[06:52] <thoreauputic> mebaran151: I know
[06:52] <mebaran151> but that light has to be primitive
[06:52] <Computer__Guru> i just think that's pretty cool... a 2ghz processor that produces so little heat it needs no cooling whatsoever
[06:52] <puff> is there a package that will set up a cron job to fetch critical security updates nightly?
[06:53] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, but I use my CPU to heat my house ....
[06:53] <Randall64> When is breezy due for release?  Is it fairly stable?
[06:53] <robotgeek> puff: you can set it up in  your crontab file
[06:53] <Computer__Guru> hahaha
[06:53] <puff> or, for that matter, any other good security-related packages.  I use the tiger package on my debian box.
[06:53] <wastrel> thoreauputic, definitely agree.  tho i now have decent hardware thank goodness
[06:53] <thoreauputic> mebaran151: I use it - but it lacks https and various other things, and renders in a rather odd manner on many pages
[06:53] <puff> robotgeek: I'm wary of cronning general upgrades :-).
[06:53] <mebaran151> yeah, but https needs openSSL doesnt it?
[06:53] <mebaran151> and openssl is pretty huge
[06:53] <Mr_Joe> have any body have prob with xmms
[06:53] <robotgeek> puff: why?
[06:54] <Randall64> Mr_Joe: I have a problem with its horrible interface.
[06:54] <Mr_Joe> try apt-get install xmms
[06:54] <robotgeek> puff: btw, tiger is in the repos!
[06:54] <robotgeek> !info tiger
[06:54] <ubotu> tiger: (Report system security vulnerabilities), section universe/admin, is optional. Version: 1:3.2.1-19 (hoary), Packaged size: 507 kB, Installed size: 2504 kB
[06:54] <puff> Er, dist-upgrades.
[06:54] <Randall64> Anyone, breezy release?
[06:54] <Mr_Joe> intallok with ubuntu but frezz when play mp3
[06:54] <mebaran151> Randall64, like Oct
[06:54] <Madpilot> October
[06:54] <puff> robotgeek: because I've seen them fail and break a system to often.
[06:54] <thoreauputic> wastrel: something like kameleon would be good - unfortunately it's windows-only AFAIK
[06:54] <puff> i guess I don't have too much to lose here, considerig.
[06:55] <Mr_Joe> install ok with ubuntu but frezz when play mp3 any body with same prob or have solution
[06:55] <Randall64> mebaran: I guess I'll have to risk it, since I need a fixed glibc.
[06:55] <robotgeek> puff: hmm...i'm gonna keep it till it breaks! :) btw, did u check out "tiger" in the universe repository?
[06:55] <Computer__Guru> mebaran151:  http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=3504708
[06:55] <jazzanova> how do i see what cyrrilic true type fonts i have on the system ?
[06:55] <puff> Hm, some warning about "You are about to install software that CAN'T BE AUTHENTICATED"
[06:56] <Computer__Guru> i was off on ram and hd
[06:56] <Computer__Guru> but damn
[06:56] <robotgeek> yeah, what's that all abt?
[06:56] <Computer__Guru> thats a deal
[06:56] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, I would have put on it Suse
[06:56] <mebaran151> it is
[06:56] <Computer__Guru> id use ubuntu
[06:56] <puff> robotgeek: I'll probably be installing tiger, is bastille in there too?
[06:56] <mebaran151> I can you can pick up some good RAM for cheap
[06:56] <robotgeek> !info bastille
[06:56] <ubotu> bastille: (Security hardening tool), section universe/admin, is optional. Version: 1:2.1.1-11 (hoary), Packaged size: 357 kB, Installed size: 1504 kB
[06:56] <mebaran151> 5 hour battery life is NICE
[06:56] <puff> i'm not sure it makes as much sense to install samhain on a personal/desktop box.
[06:56] <deprave> hehe
[06:56] <robotgeek> puff: i am learning again! all new stuff!
[06:56] <wastrel> ooookies time to go to bed...
[06:57] <deprave> i finaly got ubuntu to dial on aol! =P
[06:57] <hybrid_goth> deprave: WOW CONGRATS
[06:57] <olaf> how deprave?
[06:57] <mebaran151> deprave, now you need it to stop :p
[06:57] <Computer__Guru> they pimped that ooo ms-office support feature int hat summary, heh
[06:57] <deprave> lol
[06:57] <deprave> no i need broadband
[06:57] <puff> Any advice on this can't-be-authenticated warning?
[06:57] <Randall64> deprave: You mean when someone says "me too," it dials?
[06:57] <hybrid_goth> deprave: but it aint running that IE based POS browser is it?
[06:57] <olaf> =fellow aoler, please inform me deprave
[06:57] <deprave> olaf: penggy
[06:57] <olaf> :)
[06:57] <deprave> no it's not
[06:57] <hybrid_goth> ok
[06:57] <deprave> no more annoying "You've got mail" crap
[06:57] <olaf> wanna give me a step-by-step on how you got it done?
[06:58] <robotgeek> puff: my guess is you need to get gpg keys from somewhere! i am not sure though
[06:58] <Randall64> Need to get 502MB of archives.
[06:58] <Computer__Guru> LOL
[06:58] <deprave> and contrary to belief, this dialup is faster than the other 2 dialups i've used in the past 2 years, but i guess some of that may be due to linux operating
[06:58] <Computer__Guru> what're you installing??
[06:58] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, arg
[06:58] <Randall64> Maybe I'll just build a few packages.
[06:58] <thoreauputic> puff: either it's a 3rd party repo, or you haven't done apt-get update in the last day or so, or there's a gpg problem
[06:58] <mebaran151> he's installing breezy
[06:58] <Computer__Guru> oh
[06:58] <olaf> no step-by-step deprave?
[06:59] <Computer__Guru> haha, that's probably going to suck
[06:59] <thoreauputic> puff: generally you can ignore those warnings
[06:59] <Computer__Guru> i heard breazy wasnt done
[06:59] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, how do you instruct the Eden to use the decoder
[06:59] <mebaran151> does mplayer just do it
[06:59] <puff> thoreauputic: Ah, okay... hm... would multiverse cause that?
[06:59] <Randall64> I need a glibc that's been fixed for amd64.
[06:59] <mebaran151> Randall64, mine is ok
[06:59] <mebaran151> Randall64, how can you apt-get without glibc?
[07:00] <Randall64> mebaran151: Are you running mythtv?
[07:00] <mebaran151> Randall64, nope
[07:00] <thoreauputic> puff: not usually - but it's possible: i sometimes see itif I haven't updated recently
[07:00] <mebaran151> GeexBox
[07:00] <Computer__Guru> mebaran151:  i dont know.. maybe there's a kernel buffer or something.. or maybe a special program designed to look for a hardware decoder before a software one
[07:00] <mebaran151> at the moment
[07:00] <mebaran151> yeah
[07:00] <Computer__Guru> geex is pimp
[07:00] <Computer__Guru> we use it on our tv-pc
[07:00] <mebaran151> all I got to figure out though is how to make it use the awesome decoder
[07:00] <mebaran151> I got to find a Linux DTS-ES decoder
[07:00] <Computer__Guru> mplayer very well may have a flag for it
[07:00] <thoreauputic> puff: I assume if the repo has changed , the gpg sig changes too
[07:00] <mebaran151> I lack any idea how to write it
[07:01] <mebaran151> I need to learn to write SSE2 code
[07:01] <crimsun> you should be shielded from that
[07:01] <thoreauputic> puff: or the md5 sum or both - dunno
[07:02] <apolo> hi
[07:02] <thechitowncubss> Is it normal for a slow computer to only do one task at a time.
[07:02] <thechitowncubss> ?
[07:03] <thechitowncubss> 500mhz 256mb ram and it can't handle more than one task at once
[07:03] <Computer__Guru> wow
[07:03] <thechitowncubss> i launched open office like 6 minutes ago and its just now starting up
[07:03] <jasmuz> thechitowncubss: uh?....it should be able to handle more
[07:03] <Computer__Guru> try a window manager that takes less system resources
[07:03] <thechitowncubss> its installing updates, thats it
[07:03] <Computer__Guru> that can take a while
[07:04] <thechitowncubss> i know
[07:04] <thechitowncubss> but should be able to do more than one thing while doing it
[07:04] <Computer__Guru> yeah
[07:04] <Madpilot> thechitowncubss: OO is well-known to be bulky - not that MSOffice is any better
[07:04] <Computer__Guru> what window manager are you in? gnome?
[07:04] <thechitowncubss> I understand that
[07:04] <thechitowncubss> ya, gnome
[07:04] <thechitowncubss> a fresh install
[07:04] <thechitowncubss> how can i see if my hard drive is using dma/
[07:04] <thechitowncubss> ?
[07:04] <thechitowncubss> and if its safe to turn it on
[07:04] <Computer__Guru> hdparm -d /dev/hda
[07:04] <jasmuz> thechitowncubss: you could use XFCE to go nicer on your ram
[07:05] <jasmuz> thechitowncubss: yes its safe
[07:05] <thechitowncubss> i know of the alternatives
[07:05] <mebaran151> crimsun, why
[07:05] <thechitowncubss> jasmuz: no not all hard drives work nicely with linux dma
[07:05] <Computer__Guru> and hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda if it isnt
[07:05] <jasmuz> thechitowncubss: mine do
[07:05] <crimsun> mebaran151: because you shouldn't be spending your time worrying about it. The design matters much more.
[07:05] <thechitowncubss> congrats
[07:05] <Computer__Guru> yeah, particularily 2.5" drives
[07:06] <thoreauputic> thechitowncubss: most will be fine - even my ancient 2.2 gig drive on a p200 accepts dma
[07:06] <thechitowncubss> :)
[07:06] <thechitowncubss> quiet channel tonight
[07:07] <mebaran151> crimsun, yep I guess
[07:07] <Madpilot> 2.2Gb? wow, that isn't even one DVDs worth o' data... ;)
[07:07] <mebaran151> just might be neat to know
[07:07] <thoreauputic> the--dud: not really - everyone got quiet when they saw you arrive ;-)
[07:07] <crimsun> mebaran151: oh it's certainly interesting as a knowledge base, but it's not something over which I'd really lose sleep.
[07:07] <thoreauputic> oops
[07:07] <Madpilot> a friend has a 600Mb HDD, still in daily use...
[07:07] <jasmuz> Madpilot: you can run a fully fledge linux install from 2 gigs
[07:07] <Madpilot> jasmuz: you could even run stock Ubuntu, just barely - I think this is a 1.8Gb install...
[07:08] <thoreauputic> thechitowncubss: tab completion error above ^^^ :)
[07:08] <mebaran151> crimsun, not planning too
[07:08] <jasmuz> Madpilot: yes its 1.3-1.6 gigs
[07:08] <mebaran151> I also need to find some sort of display that is Blinkenlights compatible
[07:09] <Madpilot> Blinken-what?
[07:09] <robotgeek> can't wait for my external usb enclosure to come in
[07:10] <robotgeek> then, i can have a 55$ external hard drive! 80 gigs!
[07:10] <mebaran151> Madpilot, http://www.blinkenlights.de/arcade/
[07:10] <deprave> wow this is the first time i noticed bitchx had a url catcher
[07:10] <deprave> lol
[07:11] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/B/blinkenlights.html  << blinkenlights :D
[07:11] <robotgeek> BEOS legacy, right?
[07:13] <astunmarx_> ahoi, sorry i'm a green horn in computing. i use ubuntu hoary hedgehoag. i want to use the mutt program. I can't start it with the command line & i can't read any explanations on the manual, which is installed. is there anybody who can receiving me & give a right answer, how i can handle this problem?
[07:13] <Madpilot> oh, that looks like fun. thanks for the links!
[07:13] <robotgeek> astunmarx_: what do u mean, can't start it in command line?
[07:14] <Madpilot> there are crazed modders who still do blinkenlights things to their boxes
[07:14] <thoreauputic> astunmarx_: if you are a greenhorn, mutt isn't a very good choice of email client :)
[07:14] <Madpilot> "Knight Rider" lights connected to the HDD Status signal, for ex.
[07:15] <thoreauputic> astunmarx_: any particular reason why you want / need to use mutt?
[07:15] <robotgeek> maybe in love with cli??
[07:16] <dabaR> hi.
[07:16] <astunmarx_> to robot geek (?): i write on command line "mutt", meanwhile synaptic shows me mutt is installed, but mutt doesn't start with this run
[07:16] <Madpilot> hi
[07:16] <robotgeek> hi
[07:16] <cafuego> thoreauputic:  only cli access?
[07:16] <thoreauputic> cafuego: that's why I was asking, of course :)
[07:16] <cs378> u guys think i should install antivirus?
[07:16] <cafuego> deprave: yeah, sometimes it auto-fetches. Shall I paste a link to a DVD iso? ;-)
[07:17] <robotgeek> astunmarx_: do u have to to ctrl +c it?
[07:17] <thoreauputic> astunmarx_: mutt starts in the terminal
[07:18] <Randall64> CPU Temp:  +65.9?C  (low  =  +0.0?C, high = +70.0?C)
[07:18] <dabaR> cs378: not necessarily. If you know where to install from, you are safe, pretty much. Stay away from scripts, and executables on IRC.
[07:19] <Madpilot> Randall64: those temps seem pretty high. install another fan?
[07:19] <astunmarx_> i try it although in the terminal. and for the spelling of robotgeek, I've had to request "beg pardon"!?
[07:20] <dabaR> astunmarx_: /msg ubotu nicktab
[07:20] <cafuego> Have those sensors been calibrated? Do they in fact shows the correct temperature?
[07:20] <IIIEars> inittab?
[07:20] <Randall64> Madpilot: I'm just hoping the sensor is inaccurate.  It should be pretty cool with this ugly flower-shaped heatsink.
[07:20] <dabaR> cs378: debian/ubuntu/apt install only from repositories you tell it. You should use Ubuntu official repositories. Even if someone hijacks, and pretends they are the repository computers, your apt will give you an error, since the intruder wont be able to authenticate. They have figured this stuff out ok in Linux.
[07:21] <thoreauputic> astunmarx_: when you type "mutt" , do you see blue strips top and bottom with words in them?
[07:21] <dabaR> IIIEars: try.
[07:21] <DanJohn> hi
[07:21] <dabaR> yo
[07:21] <Madpilot> Randall64: my machine (AMD K7) shows the same temps with lm-sensors/xsensors as it did in XP with Asus's own sensor apps...
[07:21] <DanJohn> can somebody help me to get my realplayer working in ubuntu
[07:21] <DanJohn> plz help me
[07:21] <Madpilot> but if you've got one of the big Zalman heatsinks properly installed, you should be OK?
[07:21] <Randall64> Mad: These temp sensors seem to be the least (if you can believe it) standard thing on peecees.
[07:21] <DanJohn> i cant play music on www.raaga.com/hindi
[07:22] <Madpilot> !mp3
[07:22] <ubotu> rumour has it, mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[07:22] <cafuego> Madpilot: Mine seem fine with the stock OEM fan
[07:22] <Meep> Anyone got any good pointers to commercial VPN solutions that support Ubuntu systems as clients well?
[07:22] <DanJohn> yes i knoiw vpn
[07:22] <DanJohn> goto ubuntu archive
[07:22] <DanJohn> and u can follow CISCO VPN client
[07:22] <DanJohn> thread
[07:22] <DanJohn> its good
[07:22] <DanJohn> u got to have the right patch
[07:23] <DanJohn> Meep
[07:23] <DanJohn> u there
[07:23] <Meep> Yeah.
[07:23] <DanJohn> ok
[07:23] <DanJohn> i had the same prob
[07:23] <Meep> CISCO VPN?
[07:23] <DanJohn> i found out
[07:23] <DanJohn> and i am now using VPN
[07:23] <DanJohn> to connect to my workplace
[07:23] <Meep> Is the client ipsec or a custom client?
[07:23] <DanJohn> yup
[07:23] <Yagle> There seems to be packages missing from apt-get, do i need to add other sources?
[07:23] <DanJohn> ipsec
[07:23] <Meep> FreeS/WAN as the client?
[07:23] <astunmarx_> at first to dabaR: is /msg ubotu nicktab a run, & to thoerauputic i doesnt see anything without my commom gnome desktop
[07:24] <Madpilot> !repos
[07:24] <DanJohn> goto ubuntuforums.org
[07:24] <DanJohn> and check therte
[07:24] <DanJohn> u will see that thread and one guy has nicely written a lot about it
[07:24] <dabaR> Yagle: do you know what you are installing? If so, do: /msg ubotu info packageName, and he will tell you what repository your package is in.
[07:24] <DanJohn> check it
[07:24] <deprave> is it a difficult task to get identd running on ubuntu for irc purposes?
[07:24] <IIIEars> ubotu repositories is also repos
[07:24] <crimsun> deprave: no
[07:24] <Yagle> ok
[07:24] <Meep> Any wpa_suplicate gurus here?
[07:24] <Madpilot> IIIEars: ubotu used to know "repos"...
[07:24] <crimsun> deprave: it can be as simple as ,,sudo aptitude install oidentd''
[07:25] <deprave> crimsun: have a quick link or insight on how to do it
[07:25] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:25] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars
[07:25] <deprave> with the commas?
[07:25] <dabaR> astunmarx_: type in /msg ubotu nicktab instead of your message to the channel.
[07:25] <Yagle> ubotu, zomg you not a bot :-\
[07:25] <ubotu> Yagle: I don't know
[07:25] <Meep> DanJohn: Is there any suggest search criteria?  CISCO VPN returned *LOTS*
[07:25] <dabaR> deprave: no
[07:26] <Yagle> bah
[07:26] <dabaR> he is a bot
[07:26] <cafuego> Meep: You'd epect ike/ipsec to be fairly standard
[07:26] <efigyidol> how do I find the ip address of an ssh connected user?
[07:26] <IIIEars> just end pasted the word repos to whatever info the phrase repositories was :x - i'll fix it.
[07:26] <deprave> ok it installed, will it run automaticly after i reboot?
[07:27] <cafuego> efigyidol: 'w'
[07:27] <Gourami> Hi all, what do I need to change to get my Ubuntu machine to be visible on our windows domain ?
[07:27] <IIIEars> !repositories
[07:27] <ubotu> from memory, repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto, or repos
[07:27] <Gourami> everything is workin
[07:27] <cafuego> efigyidol: See also /var/log/syslog and 'last'
[07:27] <efigyidol> cafuego, changed from debian to ubuntu?
[07:27] <efigyidol> cafuego: thanks.
[07:28] <deprave> how do i run identd or will it run on boot now?
[07:28] <Meep> Assuming an IPSEC VPN server, what is the best client?
[07:28] <IIIEars> ubotu forget repositories
[07:28] <dabaR> deprave: I dont think you need to reboot.
[07:28] <dabaR> I think it is running now.
[07:28] <Madpilot> it seems really laggy here tonight...
[07:28] <cafuego> efigyidol: Only on the desktop.
[07:28] <cafuego> (so yes, ubotu runs on sarge)
[07:28] <dabaR> not sure how to find out, anyone know how to find out if a server is running, like the oidentd?
[07:28] <IIIEars> ubotu repos is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto,
[07:29] <deprave> dabaR: well, i seem to still be akilled from another network for it
[07:30] <crimsun> deprave: make sure your home router/cable modem is forwarding tcp/113
[07:30] <Computer__Guru> bbl
[07:30] <deprave> i'm on dialup
[07:30] <IIIEars> ubotu are you overworked? - is your database just too large to search quickly? a brother bot machine to share the load?
[07:30] <zerboxx> Umm, when in thunderbird I can click the scroll wheel, and a little circle pops up (this is similar to M$), why is it only with thunderbird though?
[07:30] <cafuego> Ignore the bot for a moment, I'll check
[07:31] <dabaR> zerboxx: cause that program has that feature?
[07:31] <dabaR> aww...
[07:32] <zerboxx> dabaR: Though in M$ it appears to be a standard feature, I was wondering if it's possible to make it standard in ubuntu aswell, thats all
[07:32] <dabaR> I gotta go to sleep early 2day
[07:32] <Madpilot> who actually runs ubotu? is he an official Ubuntu project?
[07:32] <cafuego> ubotu: you lagging?
[07:32] <ubotu> no
[07:32] <dabaR> give us more info about the feature, I am not sure at all what you mean?
[07:32] <hybrid_goth> lol
[07:32] <cafuego> !goo'boy
[07:32] <ubotu> Aww, thanks dad.
[07:32] <dabaR> bah
[07:32] <cafuego> Meep: I run it
[07:32] <zerboxx> dabaR: Do you have thunderbird?
[07:32] <cafuego> Madpilot: I run it
[07:32] <dabaR> zerboxx: nope.
[07:33] <dabaR> is it in repos? I think it is, Ill check in a sec.
[07:33] <cafuego> Madpilot: he's just a slightly modified blootbot (so he uses the Ubuntu and not debian archives)
[07:33] <zerboxx> dabaR: yup, should be :)
[07:33] <Seveas> Madpilot, it's not an 'official project' but he's simply the #ubuntu bot :)
[07:33] <IIIEars> cafuego encompassed a lot of difficult effort in three little words. - REALLY nice bot cafuego.
[07:33] <Madpilot> cafuego: OK, cool.
[07:34] <zerboxx> Is there a way to change what goes on when booting up ubuntu? I've seen somethings that I may like to remove??
[07:34] <cafuego> zerboxx: install and run 'rcconf'
[07:34] <zerboxx> cafuego: ok, thanks :)
[07:35] <Seveas> zerboxx, or look at bum (see the 3rd party section on the forums)
[07:36] <dabaR> zerboxx: what again, right click anywhere in the thuinderbird app or what?
[07:36] <zerboxx> dabaR: middle click (w the wheel)
[07:37] <dabaR> anywhere in the app?
[07:37] <ScislaC> is it possible to change the "prefix" for where dpkg will install a deb?
[07:37] <zerboxx> dabaR: seems to only work in an email, not sure if it has a "welcome" email or not though
[07:37] <zerboxx> dabaR: If you'd like I could take a screenshot and put it up so you can see what i mean (if that would be easier)
[07:38] <anacron> can i use cedega in 64bit ubuntu?
[07:38] <dabaR> ok, go.
[07:38] <HrdwrBoB> anacron: simple answer: no.
[07:39] <goldfish> hehe
[07:39] <dabaR> simple for him or you?
[07:39] <goldfish> difficult answer would be chroot it to a 32-bit enviornment?
[07:39] <cafuego> anacron: correct answer: yes. Read up on installing a 32bit chroot and using cedega in that.
[07:39] <nicedreams> does ubuntu have a prefetch for faster loading?
[07:39] <deprave> can you install different themes for ubuntu gnome?
[07:40] <deprave> not that i dislike this brown all too much, just for future reference
[07:40] <dabaR> off coourse. go to art.gnome.org and check out the themes and faqs.
[07:40] <Madpilot> !themes
[07:40] <deprave> nice thanks
[07:40] <ubotu> I guess themes is http://art.gnome.org - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/
[07:40] <Madpilot> deprave: lots of resources - see ubotu's URLs
[07:40] <Madpilot> i like gnome-look.org myself
[07:41] <nicedreams> i'm loving this kde 3.4
[07:41] <anacron> cafuego: can i install 64bit ubuntu first and then do that chroot thing?
[07:41] <nicedreams> they really made some improvments
[07:41] <IIIEars> deprave gnome is almost infinitely configurable - you saw themes in the preferences menu? - there are additional themes available at gnomlook.org
[07:41] <goldfish> nicedreams: it rocks.
[07:42] <cafuego> anacron: yep
[07:42] <anacron> cafuego: great, so i don't have to cancel my installation at this point :)
[07:42] <cafuego> anacron: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2740.html
[07:42] <Poromies> hi all.. i have a short question: Im using kernel 2.6.12-3 from breezy repos (because of my chipset not working with older ones..) and im trying to install ATI drivers.. the thing is, that there is on "restricted-modules" package for this baby that it needed by the "xorg-fglrx-driver" so installing that doesn't work .. but should it work after i install "fglrx-kernel-source" (ATI binary kernel module source)?
[07:43] <Seveas> Poromies, no
[07:43] <cafuego> anacron: just use 'hoary' where those docs refer to Sid.
[07:43] <zerboxx> dabaR: Currently can't take a screenshot, not sure why, but I'll figure it out :)
[07:43] <Poromies> sry for the typos, its like 7am :)
[07:43] <Seveas> Poromies, you would need to wait for restricted modules, or better do NOT use 2.6.12 on hoary (it ttends to break a few more things than that)
[07:43] <Poromies> havent seen it breaking anything yet
[07:45] <deprave> any suggestions on a mp3 player?
[07:45] <zerboxx> deprave: I use beep-media-player myself
[07:46] <goldfish> mp3blaster for cli
[07:46] <goldfish> or beep
[07:46] <dabaR> zerboxx: got it.
[07:46] <zerboxx> dabaR: perfect!  So you see that thing which pops up?
[07:47] <dabaR> zerboxx: app specific, can not be set in a wm, is what I would expect.
[07:47] <dabaR> I dont know that much tho.
[07:47] <zerboxx> dabaR: I figured it was app specific, though I was hoping it may not be :)
[07:47] <zerboxx> dabaR: Thanks for checking though!
[07:48] <dabaR> wait a sec, tho.
[07:48] <dabaR> ta, sure, I was curious myself...
[07:48] <dabaR> ta-ya
[07:48] <cafuego> argh, 189MB of packages for this upgrade :-P
[07:49] <Adross> i have a 40 gig usb hdd. How do i mount it?
[07:49] <dabaR> Adross: hm...using gnome?
[07:49] <kozlyk> anyone used webmin?
[07:50] <highvoltage> kozlyk: yes, lots of people went through that phase
[07:50] <Adross> dabaR: your method intrigues me, eloborate
[07:50] <deprave> lol
[07:50] <anacron> my usb stuff has worked without any mounting with just pluging them in
[07:50] <kozlyk> can someone help me with the finishing touches to my samba file server?
[07:51] <dabaR> Adross: if you are using gnome, there is a thing that runs with gnome called gnome-volume-manager, and it automounts(or is set to taht by default, anyhow) all shizzes that you connect.
[07:51] <zerboxx> Adross: I temporarily had a usb hdd, and it worked just from plugging it in and turning it on
[07:51] <hybrid_goth> my psp works the same way
[07:52] <dabaR> Adross: if you are not using gnome, well, you could run the volume-manager in a terminal, it should work.
[07:52] <Adross> dabaR: no such luck here
[07:52] <Adross> dabaR: using gnome, but it did not automount
[07:52] <Adross> though that is what usually happens
[07:52] <goldfish> Adross: what filesystem is on it?
[07:52] <goldfish> fat32 ?
[07:52] <Adross> ntfs i think
[07:53] <dabaR> Alternatively, you can look for, for example, sudo mount /dev/sda1(which is the device my camera ends up on when I connect it) /media/usbdisk/
[07:53] <Adross> there are a few partitions
[07:53] <goldfish> Adross: sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/
[07:53] <efigyidol> kozlyk: what do you want help with?
[07:53] <Adross> i check /dev for an sda1 entry
[07:53] <Adross> not there
[07:53] <dabaR> brb
[07:53] <goldfish> Adross: tail dmesg, plug it out, plug it back in.
[07:53] <kozlyk> i have setup samba/swat and also webmin on a hoary tower
[07:53] <hybrid_goth> what would happen if i resized the default partition on my usb drive
[07:53] <goldfish> see where dmesg says it is
[07:54] <Adross> kk, i'll try that
[07:54] <Adross> not here right now
[07:54] <kozlyk> on my xp laptop i can see the ubuntu tower, but am still unable to access it
[07:54] <Adross> meh, better go, get some of these assignments done
[07:54] <Adross> later
[07:54] <anacron> hybrid_goth: id say you lose all your data, and get rezised partition :)
[07:54] <kozlyk> i have adjusted everything in webmin that i can think of
[07:54] <goldfish> depends what you use to resize it hybrid_goth
[07:54] <kozlyk> just out of ideas and forums to troll
[07:55] <goldfish> i resized my partitions with partition magic and lost no data.
[07:55] <efigyidol> kozlyk: have you added the xp user to /etc/smbpasswd?
[07:55] <dabaR> ok, well, nothing special from me about that scrolling circle.
[07:55] <kozlyk> i'll give a check
[07:55] <efigyidol> kozlyk: i've never used the webmin front end (webmin is not very safe to use (i heard))
[07:56] <dabaR> I am going to bed, good night all.
[07:56] <hybrid_goth> but would it increase size
[07:56] <hybrid_goth> what would multiple partitions do?
[07:56] <hybrid_goth> could i mount two sd* from one thumb drive
[07:57] <deprave> lol aol on linux
[07:57] <deprave> im giggling
[07:57] <IIIEars> Samba - How is the workgroup changed?
[07:57] <efigyidol> kozlyk: have you looked  on the internet for howto guides? it's a good place to start. You probably just missed a few steps. you see you need to set-up a user in smbpasswd using the tools that come with samba.
[07:58] <efigyidol> kozlyk: it's probably easier if your samba user is the same as the user on windows xp
[07:58] <psychonate> Is there a tool I can use to merge two subrip-style subtitles together, so that the timestamps on the latter subtitle file will be correct after the merge?
[07:58] <psychonate> subrip=.srt
[07:59] <humbraro> anybody here using an ipod?
[07:59] <psychonate> I have an idea to do it without any special tools, but I would prefer an easy fix first.
[07:59] <dabaR> thse are quite common.
[07:59] <humbraro> i got gtkpod and followed the directions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IPodHowto?highlight=%28ipod%29
[07:59] <humbraro> but for some reason it won't sync
[08:00] <humbraro> i can't write files to it
[08:00] <efigyidol> kozlyk: from memory the command to add a user to smbpasswd is: smbpasswd -a username
[08:01] <efigyidol> kozlyk: if your windows xp user was fred then you would just use: smbpasswd -a fred
[08:02] <IIIEars> I would like echo to change the workgroup. How is that done?
[08:02] <kozlyk> this is the error i get:
[08:02] <kozlyk> Is there something i am missing.
[08:02] <kozlyk> sorry...
[08:03] <kozlyk> Failed to initialise SAM_ACCOUNT for user Graham.  Does this user exist in the unix password database?
[08:03] <efigyidol> IIIEars: in the conf file workgroup=myworkgroup
[08:04] <efigyidol> kozlyk: smbpasswd -a Graham
[08:04] <deprave> i'm sorry for my lack of attention, but does anyone have any suggestion for a good mp3 player (maybe something with a resemblance to winamp)
[08:05] <thunderbolt> deprave: xmms is my favorite
[08:05] <efigyidol> deprave: xmms or bmp
[08:05] <goldfish> beep-media-player
[08:05] <kozlyk> efigyidol:  and i get that error
[08:05] <deprave> cool thanks
[08:05] <goldfish> or xmms2 !!
[08:05] <deprave> is xmms on the base install cd?
[08:05] <efigyidol> kozlyk: you need to have a user called Graham on the system
[08:05] <goldfish> deprave: no
[08:05] <deprave> ok thanks, i'll go download it
[08:06] <goldfish> get beep-media-player
[08:06] <efigyidol> kozlyk: useradd graham
[08:06] <efigyidol> kozlyk: or useradd Graham
[08:06] <deprave> ok this is a machine with low resources too, i don't need gaudy stuff
[08:06] <goldfish> deprave: wells its basically xmms just newer.
[08:07] <deprave> oh ok
[08:07] <goldfish> deprave: if u want a console based program get mp3blaster.
[08:07] <kozlyk> ok done
[08:07] <goldfish> very low on resources :)
[08:07] <efigyidol> deprave: xmms and beep media player (bmp) are very similar, beep is a little better in some ways, I don't know if there is much difference in the amount of resources used.
[08:07] <kozlyk> however the laptop has an uppercase, however the ubuntu it is forced lowercase.  Is that a problem
[08:07] <efigyidol> both can be obtained through synaptic
[08:07] <rob^> efigyidol, bmp is a fork of xmms with the gtk2 toolkit
[08:08] <deprave> synaptic is sort of like the fbsd ports system?
[08:08] <efigyidol> rob^: ok
[08:08] <x\away> hey rob
[08:08] <x\away> i took some advice on the forums
[08:08] <goldfish> deprave: no
[08:08] <x\away> and downloaded the iso for the cd
[08:08] <efigyidol> kozlyk: i'm not sure, try it and find out =)
[08:08] <kozlyk> efigyidol: i have a user on ubuntu with the same name as the laptop with xp
[08:09] <x\away> someone said they ordered 10 cd's and out of those 10 1 worked
[08:09] <kozlyk> i still have that login problem
[08:09] <highvoltage> is it possible to use a Promise SX6000 RAID controller with Ubuntu? i (or ubuntu at least) can't find my disks.
[08:09] <efigyidol> kozlyk: smbpasswd -a
[08:09] <efigyidol> kozlyk: once you have added a system user, you then need to add the same user to samba
[08:10] <rob^> x\away, you shouldn't have any problems with the ISO, you can check the md5 if you think you have a dud download
[08:10] <rob^> x
[08:10] <rob^> x\away, yes, I have had duds sent to me also
[08:10] <aru> its the readers at the post office
[08:10] <liable> highvoltage: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html
[08:10] <deprave> i see neither beep or xmms in the synaptic package manager
[08:11] <kozlyk> efigyidol:  samba now has graham as a user
[08:11] <rob^> deprave, its beep-media-player
[08:11] <highvoltage> liable: i'll check that out, thanks
[08:11] <kozlyk> efigyidol:  at least that is what webmin says :)
[08:11] <efigyidol> deprave: synaptic is ubuntus user interface to dpkg, it allows you to install packages easily. there is an even easier to use interface under Applications-> System tools -> add/remove programs
[08:11] <deprave> regardless, it's not there
[08:11] <deprave> oh so it just manages the packages once they're on the box
[08:11] <rob^> ubuntu tell deprave about repositories
[08:11] <deprave> gotcha
[08:12] <jazzanova> how do i setup russian in ubuntu ?
[08:12] <rob^> ubotu tell deprave about repositories
[08:12] <deprave> ubotu: don't you dare
[08:12] <ubotu> deprave: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[08:12] <jazzanova> i don't have russian in the terminal
[08:12] <jazzanova> in xterm
[08:12] <hybrid_goth> !repos
[08:12] <ubotu> I heard repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[08:12] <efigyidol> lol
[08:12] <rob^> deprave, do what ubotu said, its in the universe repo
[08:12] <efigyidol> kozlyk, try now
[08:12] <deprave> will do
[08:12] <x\away> hmm
[08:12] <x\away> new day
[08:12] <deprave> thanks btw
[08:12] <x\away> new webdesign to work on
[08:12] <x\away> :/
[08:13] <rob^> ToRTuReD_X, I see you got ubuntu installed finally..
[08:13] <kozlyk> efigyidol:  nope.  when i double-click in xp, it sits for about 20 seconds, then says that it is not accessible
[08:13] <ToRTuReD_X> rob
[08:13] <ToRTuReD_X> not at all
[08:14] <ToRTuReD_X> got most the way through and copped another error
[08:14] <ToRTuReD_X> ;/
[08:14] <ToRTuReD_X> so i'm reinstalling tonight
[08:14] <ToRTuReD_X> oh and thank you
[08:14] <ToRTuReD_X> tried dual booting
[08:14] <ToRTuReD_X> killed my windows
[08:14] <ToRTuReD_X> ;_;
[08:14] <rob^> heh
[08:14] <olaf> nice
[08:14] <rob^> nice one
[08:14] <ToRTuReD_X> had to reformat
[08:14] <efigyidol> kozlyk: no error messages?
[08:15] <kozlyk> on xp side yeah, it can't get in
[08:15] <humbraro> anybody here using an ipod? I can't write files to mine for some reason
[08:15] <ToRTuReD_X> [16:12:19]   ubotu  I heard repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[08:15] <anacron> if i wan't to use cedega, what kind of partition i have to make for games?
[08:15] <efigyidol> kozlyk: you might need to tail the smb log and see if anything is happening
[08:15] <ToRTuReD_X> also a guide on the ubuntuguide.org site for that
[08:15] <rob^> ToRTuReD_X, dont recommend ubuntuguide
[08:15] <anacron> or is default linux just fine?
[08:15] <kozlyk> the network path was not found
[08:15] <ToRTuReD_X> i wasn't
[08:15] <deprave> thanks for that link, it was most helpful
[08:15] <kozlyk> tail?
[08:15] <ToRTuReD_X> was saying there's something about that there
[08:15] <efigyidol> kozlyk: I don't know if samba has a log file by default, so it mought be in the /var/log/syslog
[08:16] <ToRTuReD_X> i can't reccomend nothin rob
[08:16] <ToRTuReD_X> don't know the first thing about ubuntu yet
[08:16] <ToRTuReD_X> ;p
[08:16] <ToRTuReD_X> atleast it's not like other linux's
[08:16] <ToRTuReD_X> expecting you to do a whoel heap of commands just to turn it into a GUIU linux
[08:16] <ToRTuReD_X> ;/
[08:16] <jazzanova> ok, i figured out that i should be using uxterm
[08:16] <ToRTuReD_X> -U
[08:17] <psychonate> Yays, I succesfully merged my two subrip-subtitles together with correct timestamps :)
[08:17] <jazzanova> but what do I do with sshed connections ? that show not in unicode ?
[08:17] <kozlyk> efigyidol:  Jul 27 23:16:25 localhost -- MARK --
[08:17] <efigyidol> lol
[08:17] <efigyidol> kozlyk: this will help you: http://us5.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/ch12.html
[08:17] <shoshe> hello  Ubuntities
[08:17] <psychonate> If I get bored, I might be able to write a script for it, but I doubt it :(
[08:18] <Madpilot> really, really odd question: is there a ROT13 "utility" hiding in Ubuntu somewhere? ;)
[08:18] <efigyidol> lo shoshe
[08:18] <drew> does installing apache http server give you nearly everything you need to host a website from your computer?
[08:18] <jazzanova> i am having trouble getting skype to work
[08:18] <Madpilot> !lamp
[08:18] <ubotu> it has been said that lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Hoary is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LAMPForHoary
[08:18] <deprave> ever since i started this repository package update for synaptec my machine won't resolve hosts =/
[08:18] <humbraro> Madpilot: from memory i think its in bsd-games
[08:18] <jazzanova> it says error writing to device.
 hey how do i check what is my kernel version ...im trying to install the damn nvidia driver and need the version no for it !
[08:19] <Madpilot> drew: see ubotu's post
[08:19] <Madpilot> humbraro: I'll have a look. thanks. i know I can find ROT13 'translators' online too...
[08:19] <thoreauputic> shoshe: uname -r
[08:19] <deprave> drew: yes
[08:19] <efigyidol> shoshe uname -r
[08:19] <drew> deprave, do I still need to buy a domain?  or what?
[08:20] <IIIEars> Hi throeuputic :)
[08:20] <efigyidol> kozlyk: the samba log file is smbd.log, it should be located in /var/log/
[08:20] <thoreauputic> drew: if your ISP allows severs, no
 oo lala ... that worked !! speaking of nvidia ... do u have a nvidia vgs ?
[08:20] <drew> thoreauputic, how do I know if they allow servers?
[08:20] <efigyidol> shoshe: not on my laptop, but I have one on my desktop and have it running on debian
[08:21] <thoreauputic> drew: if you have dynamic IP you will need something like dyndns.org to point at your website
[08:21] <thoreauputic> drew: call them and ask??
[08:21] <efigyidol> shoshe: my desktop is currently in six or seven different peices.
[08:21] <humbraro> !ipod
[08:21] <ubotu> somebody said ipod was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IPodHowto
 and was it easy to install the driver ? cause i got me an old TNT2 card and the driver installation is killing me !
[08:21] <IIIEars> thoreauputic - How can Ubuntu join my windows workgroup DEBIAN_FANS ?
[08:22] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: I know nothing about samba, sorry - i use pure NFS and have only linux machines
[08:22] <levander> Anybody in here has gotten udftools working?  I'm having trouble getting started with it.  Don't understand the README.Debian that came with it at all.
[08:22] <elad_> Holy crap, did I just connect without having to enter an actual IP address instead of a hostname?
[08:22] <IIIEars> thoreauputic - Okay. - Thanks :)
[08:22] <m0unds> Hi, everyone. I'm wondering if anyone's familiar with USB microphones?
[08:22] <efigyidol> shoshe: i'm not up with the nvidia play, but what I had to do was this: get the driver from nvidia.com for linux, compile it and install it as a module, then configure xorg.conf.
[08:23] <elad_> Nope, I probably didn't. Fuck.
[08:23] <efigyidol> shoshe: i am a newbie, (kinda) and I managed to find the documentation using google, and get it up and running. (though it took me a while)
[08:23] <IceDC571> m0unds: usb microphones on linux ... for me is a nightmare
[08:24] <thoreauputic> elad_: is your /etc/resolv.conf OK?
 same here .. me a newbie too .. thats why so many problem i guess ... lolz ..
[08:24] <elad_> thoreauputic, that depends. What should be in there?
[08:24] <m0unds> IceDC571: have you gotten one to work, or is it an ongoing sort of thing for you too?
[08:24] <DekaPink> Ah, there we go... My Ubuntu is just about back to the way it was before I broke it by trying to upgrade to Breezy. xD
[08:24] <thoreauputic> elad_: a couple of nameserver addresses
[08:24] <IceDC571> m0unds: i got really frustrated and ripped it out... sorry, thats just my experience :)
[08:25] <efigyidol> shoshe: google is your friend. ubuntu tntn2 yeilds: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3488.html which should be helpful
[08:25] <elad_> Konqueror won't start... WTF?!
[08:25] <skalpel> is i t true you can use windows apps in linux?
[08:25] <DekaPink> Breezy's name amuses me... My dog's name is Breeze. xD
[08:25] <thoreauputic> elad_: IP s to be more precise, of course
[08:25] <skalpel> using like an emulator or something?
[08:25] <efigyidol> shoshe: thats tnt2 not tntn2
[08:25] <thoreauputic> skalpel: some, yes
[08:25] <kozlyk> efigyidol: thanx for that document.  i can ping the xp laptop to the ubuntu tower, but the ubuntu tower can't ping the xp laptop
[08:25] <DekaPink> skalpel, Yeah... wine or cedega or crossover ovice
[08:25] <elad_> All it has is "nameserver 10.0.0.138"
[08:25] <skalpel> thoreaputic: how about soulseek?
[08:25] <DekaPink> office*
[08:25] <skalpel> wine sounds good
 yup .. spelling problem .. :D
[08:26] <m0unds> lol, i've got another mic..just didn't wanna have to mess around with it :)
[08:26] <DekaPink> skalpel, dosbox for dos stuff xD
[08:26] <thoreauputic> elad_: that's a local address - it should be a public address and there are normally 2 of them
[08:26] <olaf> wine works perfect
[08:26] <olaf> and allows DLLs to be used that aren't natively supported
[08:26] <thoreauputic> elad_: unless you use a dns server on your network
[08:26] <olaf> and i find that to be rather impressive
[08:27] <efigyidol> kozylk: xp may be firewalled off to icmp traffic, it's possible that you can not ping the machine, try turning off the firewall for a few seconds
[08:27] <elad_> So what do I do? I can call my ISP, but what would you have me ask them, and how should I use that information?
[08:27] <efigyidol> kozylk: and try again
 u play games on ur linux box ?
[08:28] <elad_> I definitely need a new HDD, this one must be messed up. Programs keep crashing. How do I fsck? When I tried, it told me my filesystem is mounted and that it's dangerous because of that.
[08:28] <efigyidol> shoshe: wolfenstein the new one is free, and its open gl. try that.
[08:28] <kozlyk> efigyidol:  fantastic
[08:28] <goldfish> kozlyk: if u have that windows sp2 firewall on you wont be able to ping it.
[08:28] <kozlyk> zonealarm
[08:29] <goldfish> ah right
[08:29] <elad_> thoreauputic?
[08:29] <kozlyk> i didn't put in sp2...messed too many things up
[08:29] <kozlyk> :)
 i was going to download the NEXUIS (fps), herd its good ..
[08:29] <Echelon-H> how can I make my ubuntu update wine from a repository?
[08:30] <pawitp> Is there a frontend for shapecfg
[08:30] <kozlyk> efigyidol:  i get the login screen now...just have to get the password to work
[08:30] <efigyidol> shoshe: never heard of it, though if you want some good fps, you can get (purchase) winex, its a fork of the original wine program, and it's designed to run your fav windows fps games.
[08:31] <deprave> LOL this rocks
[08:31] <skalpel> what does source tree mean?
[08:31] <elad_> thoreauputic, ?
[08:31] <DekaPink> Echelon-H, sudo apt-get upgrade wine?
[08:31] <efigyidol> kozlyk: this is where you need to: nice tail -f /var/log/smbd.log
[08:31] <deprave> i've searched far and wide for a good unix os for desktop operations, and finaly my journey has come to an end i think
[08:31] <deprave> =>
[08:32] <olaf> ubuntu is very very very nice
[08:32] <DekaPink> ubuntu really is.
[08:32] <m0unds> i love it
[08:32] <DekaPink> It's spoiled me against other distributions. xD
[08:32] <efigyidol> deprave: yep, so have I, I settled for debian for a few years, because I worked in an ISP. but ubuntu almost "just works"
[08:32] <olaf> i think it may have replaced slackware in my heart
[08:32] <m0unds> i just installed it today, i replaced fedora 3 on my notebook with ubuntu
[08:32] <m0unds> worked perfectly
[08:32] <m0unds> it's just been really nice
 moment of truth .. im going terminal to install the driver .. lets c what happens now :D
[08:32] <m0unds> everything has worked without extensive configuration
[08:32] <DekaPink> Ubuntu doesn't like my video card for 3D stuff... but that's okay. :3
[08:32] <efigyidol> shoshe, good luck
[08:32] <m0unds> lol
[08:33] <m0unds> that's what i'm working at right now
[08:33] <pawitp> Did anyone get i255 working on ubuntu? I saw a topic on ubuntuforum for i250, but I don't know will it work on i255
[08:33] <skalpel> what directory should i install nicotine to?
[08:33] <efigyidol> shoshe: you can simply ctrl+alt+backspace once you have it installed to recycle xwindows
[08:34] <kozlyk> efigyidol:  [2005/07/27 23:31:36, 0]  printing/pcap.c:pcap_cache_reload(149)
[08:34] <kozlyk>   Unable to open printcap file /etc/printcap for read!
[08:34] <drew> how do I mount a USB device?
[08:35] <Madpilot> just plug it in
[08:35] <hyphenated> drew: plug it in and wait for an icon to appear on your desktop
[08:35] <skalpel> can someoen tell me what directory i should install nicotine to?
[08:35] <drew> oh ok
[08:35] <drew> XD
[08:35] <cafuego> skalpel: /usr/local
[08:35] <rob^> /dev/mouth
[08:35] <hyphenated> skalpel: can't you use the version in apt?
[08:36] <cafuego> Or just don pirate music, problem solved.
[08:36] <deprave> bpm is nice
[08:36] <skalpel> who says i am pirating music?
[08:36] <goldfish> deprave: indeed
[08:36] <efigyidol> lol@rob^
[08:36] <deprave> is it possible to have the playlist visible?
[08:36] <deprave> bleh
[08:36] <deprave> i should not ask questions before attempting
[08:36] <deprave> hehe
[08:36] <goldfish> :)
[08:36] <efigyidol> kozlyk: are you sharing a printer?
[08:36] <cafuego> skalpel: Nobody. Did you assume I was talking to you? ;-)
[08:37] <kozlyk> nope
[08:37] <kozlyk> no printer on any system as of yet
[08:38] <efigyidol> kozlyk: do you have any directories shared on your ubuntu?
[08:38] <dtorg21> Having trouble with wireless, can anyone help out please do so...........
[08:38] <kozlyk> yup, my /home/kozlyk
[08:38] <skalpel> i am having serious memory problems with gnome, could someone give me an idea as to why?
[08:38] <skalpel> i have 256 mb ram it should not be a problem
[08:39] <cafuego> skalpel: do you have any swap sapce?
[08:39] <goldfish> it sucks
[08:39] <benplaut> skalpel: go to the task manager, select "Active Only", and see if gnome-panel is acting up
[08:39] <drew> I am having issues with Kopete not responding every time I try to sign in...it stops working and freezes, any help?
[08:40] <efigyidol> kozlyk: join #flood and paste the part of your smbd.conf that refers to your shared dir
[08:40] <kozlyk> the printcap file part?
[08:41] <efigyidol> kozlyk: nah the part of your conf file that refers to /home/kozlyk
[08:42] <m0unds> woot.
[08:42] <m0unds> got my 3d working
[08:42] <m0unds> that was quick, too. yay.
[08:42] <IceDC571> m0unds: congrats, are you new?
[08:43] <m0unds> to ubuntu? yes
[08:43] <m0unds> to linux? no
[08:43] <spermie_411> how do i check whats running on my system
[08:43] <spermie_411> iforgot
[08:43] <IceDC571> m0unds: what distros did you migrate from?
[08:43] <efigyidol> dtorg21: what seems to be the problem?
[08:43] <m0unds> fedora core and slackware
[08:43] <m0unds> fedora as a desktop/notebook solution
[08:43] <m0unds> and slackware server
[08:44] <m0unds> my webserver's still running fedora, but i changed my desktop dualboot and my notebook dualboot to ubuntu today
[08:44] <IceDC571> i see
[08:44] <m0unds> $ glxgears
[08:44] <m0unds> 13903 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2780.600 FPS
[08:44] <m0unds> yay.
[08:44] <spermie_411> how do i check whats running on my system // my cpu usage ?
[08:44] <m0unds> ps -aux
[08:45] <m0unds> or top
[08:45] <m0unds> for realtime
[08:45] <m0unds> :)
[08:45] <kozlyk> efigyidol: apparently i don't have a smbd.conf file.  I have a smb.conf
[08:45] <spermie_411> thank ya boss
[08:45] <IIIEars> thoreauputic - spermie, - top in a terminal "top" see also atop and ntop
[08:45] <m0unds> you bet
[08:46] <efigyidol> kozlyk: ok, paste it. It's been a while since I used samba
[08:46] <vladuz976> is there any way i can make a usb keyboard work in console? i have an apple keyboard usb
[08:46] <anacron> i add some hard-drives and now my windows won't start, can this be a problem with grup (or what ever the bootloader is), and how do i edit it?
[08:47] <Computer__Guru> http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/800 <-- what's that mean and how do i fix it? every program i try to open this mp4 with harfs and dies
[08:47] <kozlyk> efigyidol: posted
[08:47] <DekaPink> Where does Firefox keep its themes? :3
[08:48] <Computer__Guru> ~/.firefox/themes i think
[08:48] <DekaPink> Thank you. :3
[08:48] <kozlyk> efigyidol: i do have one more problem.  How can i get access to the server with the firewall up?
[08:48] <Echelon-H> how can I activate a checkbox without using the mouse?
[08:48] <Computer__Guru> guess not, heh
[08:49] <Computer__Guru> Echelon-H: hit the space bar when it has index focus ont he form
[08:49] <efigyidol> kozylk: i'm not sure about the firewall part, it should be an issue. looks like you need to set xp to authenticate as guest
[08:49] <skalpel> how do i open task manager?
[08:49] <Computer__Guru> top
[08:49] <Gourami> If there is an error on a wiki how does one get it fixed ?
[08:49] <skalpel> and, is there a task manager like in windows nt that will allow me to kill processes that are not responding or soaking up memory?
[08:50] <kozlyk> efigyidol: how do you mean? sorry for my questions\
[08:50] <skalpel> also, how do i check to see how much swap space i have/am using
[08:50] <bimberi> skalpel: Applications -> System Tools -> System Monitor
[08:50] <anacron> is 4076 fps from glxgears good?
[08:50] <Computer__Guru> cat /proc/meminfo
[08:50] <skalpel> bimberi: k. how much memory should gnome-panel be using?
[08:50] <Gourami> skalpel: top will alos give you swap info
[08:50] <efigyidol> kozlyk: you might need to set usermasks and directory masks for that particular share, I would say that the user that is trying to access the sharr, doesn't have permissions to your home directory.
[08:51] <efigyidol> kozlyk: man smb.conf
[08:51] <m0unds> anacron- that's great
[08:51] <m0unds> anacron- what video card?
[08:51] <bimberi> skalpel: mine uses 28.3 MB
[08:51] <anacron> m0unds: good, then the drivers work, msi 6600 256mb
[08:51] <skalpel> ok, evidently i do not have any swap space
[08:51] <skalpel> how do i set that up?
[08:51] <Computer__Guru> http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/800 <--- why did this file die? all that is greek to me
[08:51] <skalpel> bimberi: mine is using about the same, it is my swapspace that is the problem
[08:52] <skalpel> evidently
[08:52] <m0unds> anyone have a suggestion for a notebook speed tray application?
[08:52] <skalpel> Swap:        0k total,        0k used,        0k free,    92272k cached
[08:52] <m0unds> for like..centrino/pentium M notebooks?
[08:52] <skalpel> is that bad?
[08:52] <Computer__Guru> wellt here you go
[08:52] <Computer__Guru> you are not using swap
[08:52] <skalpel> k, i should have known
[08:52] <DekaPink> I want to install the graphite aviary theme for Firefox. :3
[08:52] <skalpel> what do i need to do to set up a swap partition
[08:52] <skalpel> ?
[08:53] <shoshe> can anyone help me with the installation of NVidia Display Driver ?
[08:53] <Computer__Guru> well, you need to create the partition, then "mkswap /dev/whatever"
[08:53] <anacron> hey anyone?, do i have to reinstall my windows, or how can i edit grep? grub or what's the bootloaders name
[08:53] <Computer__Guru> make sure when you partition it you select swap as the file type (82)
[08:53] <skalpel> computer_guru: how do i create the partition?
[08:53] <kozlyk> efigyidol: i ran 'man smb.conf' and got a few 'warning: can't find numbered character 160'
[08:54] <m0unds> umm, if you installed as a dualboot
[08:54] <Computer__Guru> cfdisk or parted.. be careful
[08:54] <m0unds> and you opted to install to the MBR (grub)
[08:54] <m0unds> then you should be fine
[08:54] <skalpel> i did install as a dualbuat
[08:54] <skalpel> boot
[08:54] <m0unds> it should have detected that you had winxp installed and given you the option to install to the master boot record
[08:54] <skalpel> i do not remember if i installed to the mbr or not
[08:54] <skalpel> i may not have
[08:54] <Computer__Guru> does ANYONE have a solution to my problem?
[08:54] <Echelon-H> what's lsmode?
[08:54] <m0unds> sorry, i'm talking to anacron
[08:55] <skalpel> oh sorry
[08:55] <m0unds> :)
[08:55] <m0unds> lsmod
[08:55] <skalpel> computer_guru: can i use parted from xwindows?
[08:55] <m0unds> lsmod shows you all the modules that are either running or installed, i can't remember
[08:55] <Computer__Guru> i dont know
[08:55] <Echelon-H> k thx
[08:55] <skalpel> i think i can
[08:55] <shoshe> can anyone help me with the installation of NVidia Display Driver ?
[08:56] <skalpel> jon@klaus:~$ parted
[08:56] <skalpel> Error: No device found
[08:56] <skalpel> what does that mean?
[08:56] <anacron> shoshe: ubuntu wiki can
[08:56] <m0unds> anyone have a preferred linux mp3 player?
[08:56] <skalpel> m0unds: beep media player works well, as does xmms.
[08:56] <m0unds> beep. ok
[08:56] <puff> I just asked that question, still trying to install someting.
[08:57] <m0unds> i hate xmms :)
[08:57] <skalpel> me too
[08:57] <m0unds> so thanks for the alternative
[08:57] <skalpel> actually
[08:57] <skalpel> beep is somewhat similar to xmms
[08:57] <thoreauputic> skalpel: to start with, you can't partition a mounted system, second, I think parted would need to be pointed at a device (eg ./dev/hda )
[08:57] <puff> Ran into an apt problem.
[08:57] <skalpel> but they are the only players i can get to work for my box
[08:57] <Echelon-H> http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?versionId=3256 can anyone help me out with this? I am having trouble with the GSM codec and the OSS thing.
 actually i checked it and the solution to my problem is not there ! :S
[08:57] <rob^> how the heck does one sign up for a soulseek account?
[08:57] <efigyidol> kozlyk: urk!?
[08:57] <skalpel> thoreaputic: i am pretty new to linux, can you walk me through this?
[08:57] <skalpel> do i need to log out of xwindows?
[08:58] <kozlyk> ?
[08:58] <anacron> shoshe: then just ask your question, and someone might help
[08:58] <kozlyk> efigyidol: i ran 'man smb.conf' and got a few 'warning: can't find numbered character 160'
[08:58] <efigyidol> kozlyk: okay have a look at the samba website, I have exausted my knowlege of samba
[08:58] <thoreauputic> skalpel: are you sure you have no swap? The install should have set it up doe you
[08:58] <thoreauputic> *for
[08:58] <kozlyk> ok, so what about user permissions then
[08:58] <puff> People recommended xmms, amarok, juk, mpg123/mpg321, madplay, ogg123.
[08:59] <puff> Sounds like amarok and juk are KDE based and thus require extra libs.
 ok when i try to compile the nvidia_kernel headers it says "You appear to be compiling the NVdriver kernel module with
[08:59] <shoshe> a compiler different from the one that was used to compile
[08:59] <shoshe> the running kernel" ..
[08:59] <puff> For videos, dvds, etc, people recmmended mplayer, xine, and totem.
[08:59] <thoreauputic> puff: correct
[08:59] <m0unds> ok. time to go. night everyone
[08:59] <Gourami> what is the command to delete a directory ?
[08:59] <kozlyk> i went into users and groups, but there is only checkboxes for other stuff like modems, floppy disks, nothing about hard drive directories
[08:59] <shoshe> a compiler different from the one that was used to compile
[08:59] <shoshe> the running kernel.
[08:59] <skalpel> thoreaputic: it should have, but top says i have no swap space, and i am having terrible memory problems, it must be true
[08:59] <thoreauputic> Gourami: rmdir (if it's empty)
[09:00] <kozlyk> efigyidol: thanx for your help though.  i am farther than i was before.
[09:00] <Gourami> thank you
[09:00] <puff> okay, so I gave synaptic a shot and I like apt-get better for diagnostics & feedback, though i guess synaptic is better for package browsing.
[09:00] <puff> I'd really like to see something generate a slick graphical tree diagram of paackage dependencies.
[09:01] <puff> But i ran into two problems, first it complained about unautheticated stuff.  Synaptics just said "some things", apt-get listed them.
[09:01] <skapple> thoreaputic: how do i unmount my filesystem?
[09:01] <puff> Tried installing them anyway, but synaptic reported a problem getting one of the libs... vague about what the problem was though.
[09:01] <thoreauputic> skalpel: type ' sudo fdisk -l ' (without quotes) and see if there is an entry with "linux swap" type 82
[09:02] <skapple> ok
[09:02] <skapple> thoreaputic: no, i do not have a swap, i have 2 linux partitions instead
[09:02] <thoreauputic> skalpel: you can't umount a volume that's in use ( like your Ubuntu syatem)
[09:02] <puff> dist-upgrade is replacing a *lot* of stuff.  Hm.
[09:03] <kozlyk> efigyidol: you know anyone else good at obscure samba issues?
[09:03] <skapple> thoreaputic: i had some weird problems with windows xp because i have pc recovery software on my emachine
[09:03] <thoreauputic> skapple: if you have 2 linux partitions, what are their mount points? Is one / and the other /home? Or is one unused?
[09:04] <skapple> thoreaputic: it does not list their mount points, they are /dev/hda1, and /dev hda3
[09:04] <Gourami> pls can someone tell me if there is anything wring with this syntax: //192.168.0.2/users        /media/zatrmser0  smbfs   credentials=/root/.smbcredentials,dmask=777,fmask=777   0       0
[09:04] <thoreauputic> skapple: hmm - i can't help with windows - I've sworn off the evil empire ;)
[09:04] <skapple> thoreaputic: /dev/hda2 is a fat32 restoration partition
[09:04] <nJess> gah
[09:04] <Computer__Guru> [h264 @ 0xb5e48998] error, NO frame
[09:04] <Computer__Guru> gxine: h264.c:1967: mc_dir_part: Assertion `pic->data[0] ' failed.
[09:04] <Computer__Guru> Aborted
[09:04] <efigyidol> kozlyk: it's not obscure, it's just that you need to read more. It takes a while to figure out how it works because its so configureable.
[09:05] <Computer__Guru> that plays in windows, wtf is wrong with it
[09:05] <nJess> my kernel has been compiling for over 4 hours
[09:05] <skapple> thoreaputic: well how do i know which linux partition ubuntu is using? they appear to be about the same size
[09:05] <thoreauputic> skapple: what is /dev/hda3? Is that the linux part?
[09:05] <skapple> thoreaputic: yes, and i think that is the one ubuntu is using
[09:05] <skapple> they are about the same size, 25 gigs for one, and 40 for /dev/hda3
[09:06] <DekaPink> Nnnn... I love my computer on Ubuntu. If it had emotions, Ubuntu would make it happy, I'm sure. xD
[09:06] <thoreauputic> skapple: I asume /dev/hda1 is windows - thus you would need to use a rescue disc to repartition /dev/hda3 to have swap space
[09:06] <skalpel> /dev/hda1 is linux, tye 83
[09:06] <skalpel> type 83
[09:06] <thoreauputic> skapple: the other way is to make a swap file instead
[09:06] <thoreauputic> skalpel: ? So where is windows?
[09:06] <Computer__Guru> there's an avidemux package in backports *uNF*
[09:06] <skalpel> thoreaputic: does that work as well, the swapfile?
[09:06] <efigyidol> kozlyk: pasting error messages in to google with quotes around them may help you track down certain problems. you need to find out the cause of the problem by looking at your logs, also the url that I sent you provides some other troubleshooting ideas too.
[09:07] <skalpel> thoreaputic: well according to fdisk windows xp is not there. there is only the fat32 restoration partition. which i am not using because i have ubuntu installed. i cannot dual buat even though grub shows an xp boot there
[09:07] <thoreauputic> skalpel: yes - you make a file full of zeros and assign it as swap ( I forget the exact method)
[09:07] <cafuego> dd if=/dev/zero of=./swap.file bs=1M count=512
[09:08] <cafuego> ... for a 512M file
[09:08] <thoreauputic> cafuego: thanks
[09:08] <skalpel> thoreaputic: fdisk lists the fat32 restoration partition as the only bootable partition but i have been booting ubuntu fine
[09:08] <skalpel> i type that on the command line?
[09:08] <DekaPink> Also, I'm impressed with having it back to the way it was before in only a couple hours... It seems that whenever I have to completely reinstall windows, I'm spending days if not weeks having to get a bunch of little things from all over the place to have what I'm used to. :3
[09:08] <cafuego> skalpel: yep
[09:08] <cafuego> skalpel: That will make a 512MB file full of zeroes.
[09:08] <thoreauputic> skalpel: the swap.file is the name of the new file, yeah
[09:09] <cafuego> skalpel: You can bzip it to 4Kb :-)
[09:09] <skalpel> 512+0 records in
[09:09] <skalpel> 512+0 records out
[09:09] <skalpel> 536870912 bytes transferred in 16.166151 seconds (33209569 bytes/sec)
[09:09] <skalpel> k
[09:09] <skalpel> cafuego: why would i do that?
[09:09] <cafuego> skalpel: mail it to an unsuspecting user and watch windows die
[09:09] <cafuego> anyway, i digress
[09:09] <skalpel> haha no thank you
[09:09] <bimberi> lol
[09:09] <skalpel> how do i point ubuntu to the swapfile now?
[09:09] <thoreauputic> skalpel: now you need to 'sudo swapon swap.file' IIRC
[09:09] <skalpel> ok
[09:10] <cafuego> skalpel: make sure the file is root:root, mode 0600
[09:10] <skalpel> swapon: swap.file: Invalid argument
[09:10] <skalpel> cafuego: i do not know how to do that
[09:10] <cafuego> skalpel: sudo chown root:root swap.file; sudo chmod 0600 swap.file
[09:10] <anacron> how im going to make grub work again if i now install windows?
[09:11] <skalpel> ok, done
[09:11] <skalpel> now why am i getting the invalid argument error when i try to swapon?
[09:11] <cafuego> skalpel: sudo mkswap ./swap.file
[09:11] <bimberi> anacron: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[09:12] <Computer__Guru> gxine: h264.c:1967: mc_dir_part: Assertion `pic->data[0] ' failed.
[09:12] <Computer__Guru> Aborted
[09:12] <Computer__Guru>  <-- WTF does that mean?
[09:12] <cafuego> skalpel: Turn it into a swap partition first
[09:12] <skalpel> cafuego: Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 536866 kB
[09:12] <skalpel> no label, UUID=32d1b635-eb37-4ce3-8b24-508e37a4dc99
[09:12] <cafuego> skalpel: swapon will work afetr that
[09:12] <skalpel> alright
[09:12] <skalpel> thank you
[09:12] <skalpel> is that all i need to do now?
[09:12] <cafuego> skalpel: Then run 'free' and note swap space
[09:12] <skalpel> reeSwap:       524280          0     524280
[09:12] <skalpel> thank you
[09:12] <skalpel> much better =)
[09:13] <thoreauputic> skalpel: :)
[09:13] <cafuego> skalpel: See also 'swapon -s'
[09:13] <skalpel> thoreaputic: and thank you, very much
[09:13] <Echelon-H> is there anyway to make the GSM sound codec work under linux?
[09:13] <Computer__Guru> dont forget to put it in fstab so it will stick
[09:13] <thoreauputic> skalpel: well, cafuego did the heavy lifting for me ;)
[09:14] <cafuego> stop accusing me or i'll have you banned!
[09:14] <thoreauputic> heheh
[09:14] <Echelon-H> http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?versionId=3256 can anyone help me out with this?
[09:14] <skalpel> computer_guru: was that to me, or someone else?
[09:15] <cafuego> skalpel: that was to you
[09:15] <skalpel> how do i put it in fstab?
[09:15] <cafuego> skalpel: You need an fstab entry like "/path/to/swap.file  none  swap  pri=1,defaults  0  0
[09:19] <skalpel> well first off, what is fstab?
[09:19] <bimberi> skalpel: /etc/fstab (a file)
[09:19] <cafuego> skalpel: /etc/fstab
[09:19] <skalpel> so just edit with pico huh?
[09:20] <skalpel> i will just paste in what you have given me then
[09:20] <cafuego> skalpel: Just add what i typed to the bottom, makijng sure the path to the swap.file is correct
[09:20] <thoreauputic> skalpel: sudo nano /etc/fstab
[09:20] <adapter> everytime I try to play something in xmms it crashes...any ideas?
[09:20] <cafuego> stop using xmms, use beep-media-player
[09:20] <DekaPink> Yargh... bittornado...
[09:20] <puff> hm, if i just want cvs _client_, not server, is there a package I can install?
[09:21] <cafuego> puff: cvs
[09:21] <skalpel> cafuego: well given what you have told me what is the path to the swap file? i think i was in my home dir when i made it
[09:21] <skalpel> can i just do locate swap.file?
[09:21] <cafuego> puff: Just tell it 'no'when it asks if you want to enable the server
[09:21] <adapter> is xmms really that bad?
[09:21] <skalpel> xmms is awfull.
[09:21] <cafuego> skalpel: sudo mv swap.file /
[09:21] <olaf> hey, can you install packages on ubuntu temorarily?
[09:21] <cafuego> skalpel: Just plonk it there, nice and easy.
[09:21] <olaf> say i have the live cd in
[09:21] <olaf> and a floppy with a package i want to install
[09:21] <skalpel> ok
[09:21] <cafuego> skalpel: So then it will be /swap.file
[09:21] <adapter> so I should go with beep media player?
[09:21] <olaf> can i install it and use it?
[09:22] <jtan325> how is xmms awful?
[09:22] <skalpel> so the path to the swapfile is now /swap.file
[09:22] <DekaPink> How do I set bittornado as my default client instead of gnome-bittorrent or whatever? :3
[09:22] <cafuego> jtan325: nonstandard widgets. bmp too, for that matter.
[09:22] <MrGardenHoseMan> xmms is pretty much like winamp
[09:22] <skalpel> xmms sucks. ubuntu needs a player like wmp that works
[09:22] <cafuego> skalpel: After you have moved it, yes.
[09:22] <skalpel> windows has it all over linux in that area
[09:22] <skalpel> cafuego: k thank you
[09:22] <yoot> how can i make ubuntu stay at command line until i type start x
[09:22] <puff> cafuego: thank you.
[09:23] <MrGardenHoseMan> eh it's a player
[09:23] <thoreauputic> skalpel: amarok is pretty nice
[09:23] <cafuego> skalpel: wmp is a very bad example, as it's a total piece of shit.
[09:23] <MrGardenHoseMan> and that's all i need
[09:23] <jtan325> yoot, there is something in one of gnome's configuration menus that allows you to change the login screen options
[09:23] <cafuego> (excusez ma francias)
[09:23] <skalpel> i wish rhythm box would work for me.
[09:23] <DekaPink> Whoops... Smack my ass and call me judy, I didn't install the gui.
[09:23] <skalpel> actually now that i thinkk about it, that may get blamed on the lack of a swapfile
[09:23] <skalpel> hehe
[09:23] <yoot> jtan325, checked out that
[09:24] <cafuego> skalpel: if you run otu of swap there might be an actual problem (but you CAN always add more swapfiles ;-)
[09:24] <thoreauputic> yoot:  echo "false" | sudo tee /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[09:24] <yoot> and if i want to chang it back?
[09:24] <yoot> "true" ?
[09:25] <thoreauputic> yoot: put /usr/bin/gdm in that file to restore it
[09:25] <jtan325> yoot, i don't know where it is graphically, but you can launch what i am talking about by doing "gksudo gdmconfig" from the command line
[09:25] <yoot> ok thanks both
[09:25] <skalpel> cafuego: so fstab should look like this, correct?
[09:25] <thoreauputic> yoot: cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager to see
[09:25] <skalpel> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[09:25] <skalpel> /dev/hda3       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[09:25] <skalpel> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[09:25] <yoot> k
[09:25] <skalpel> hmm
[09:26] <cafuego> skalpel: please don't paste into the channel.
[09:26] <bluefoxicy> woot.
[09:26] <bluefoxicy> I tricked it.
[09:26] <nJess> my kernel has been compiling for the last 4 hours, will i have issues if i try to use this thing?
[09:26] <bluefoxicy> Synaptic says that upgrading thunderbird upgrades typeaheadfind and removes enigmail
[09:26] <cafuego> nJess: definitely "maybe"
[09:27] <bluefoxicy> and when setting enigmail to reinstall, it cancels the upgrade of thunderbird and typeahead find.
[09:27] <skalpel> cafuego: how will i know if it gets added to my fstab correctly?
[09:27] <thoreauputic> skalpel: that /etc/fstab has no entry for swap
[09:27] <skalpel> yes. hold on
[09:27] <bluefoxicy> upgrading thunderbird will then uninstall enigmail and upgrade typeaheadfind, but upgrading typeaheadfind will upgrade thunderbird and leave enigmail installed ;)
[09:27] <cafuego> skalpel: AFter you add it, run 'swapoff -a' and see what happens
[09:27] <bluefoxicy> (if you upgrade typeaheadfind from the start, it uninstalls enigmail and upgrades thunderbird)
[09:28] <cafuego> skalpel: After that,. run 'swapon -a'
[09:28] <leroj> what is mozilla/firefox "deer Park"?
[09:28] <bluefoxicy> ouch
[09:28] <bluefoxicy> enigmail broke
[09:28] <bluefoxicy> and got uninstalled :(
[09:28] <bluefoxicy> it bit me
[09:28] <bluefoxicy> I tricked it and it got mad >:(
[09:28] <thoreauputic> leroj: the next version of FF
[09:28] <efigyidol-away> grasshopper: swap on with your left swapoff with your right
[09:28] <leroj> ooh
[09:28] <leroj> cool
[09:29] <olaf> deer park is basically the release candidate for firefox 1.1 final
[09:29] <olaf> most all of what is seen in deer park will be in 1.1
[09:29] <bluefoxicy> 1.5 final.
[09:29] <olaf> oh yeah
[09:29] <bluefoxicy> 1.1 won't happen.
[09:29] <olaf> 1.5, my bad
[09:29] <cafuego> it's also a suburb of melbourne, Australia. A really SHIT suburb.
[09:29] <bluefoxicy> and deer park is a feature-incomplete technology preview.
[09:30] <cafuego> Nobody would admit to living in deer park
[09:30] <bluefoxicy> a release candidate is a feature-complete assumed-stable
[09:30] <thoreauputic> cafuego: I heard the next version will be "Bacchus Marsh" ;-)
[09:30] <thoreauputic> hahah
[09:30] <cafuego> thoreauputic: And THunderbird will be "Frankston"
[09:31] <thoreauputic> hahah
[09:31] <thoreauputic> :D
[09:31] <bluefoxicy> frank stein?
[09:31] <bluefoxicy> Win Frank Stein's Money.
[09:31] <bluefoxicy> oh god
[09:32] <bluefoxicy> furry, + california
[09:32] <skalpel> yes. hold oncafuego: what should the entry for filesystem be?
[09:32] <skalpel> i will jyust edit it manually
[09:32] <cafuego> skalpel: You need an fstab entry like "/swap.file  none  swap  pri=1,defaults  0  0"
[09:32] <thoreauputic> swap, funnily enough
[09:32] <cafuego> skalpel: *exactly* like that
[09:32] <skalpel> ok
[09:32] <cafuego> well, maybe lose the quotes
[09:33] <skalpel> i will
[09:33] <cafuego> I would suggest not attempting swusp with that
[09:33] <bluefoxicy> you know what I like about linux over AIX?
[09:33] <bluefoxicy> It sets up the backend infrastructure for everything
[09:33] <bluefoxicy> and leaves userspace to figure out how the hell it works.
[09:34] <skalpel> ok, i added that entry and saved my changes
[09:34] <bluefoxicy> like on AIX I think authentication is in the kernel, or something; I don't think they have PAM :)
[09:34] <drew> if someone logs in as root, what can happen?  nothing?  or is it just higher risk of the person doing somethign stupid?
[09:34] <skalpel> how do i check to see that it is still there like it should be?>
[09:35] <cafuego> skalpel: 'sudo swapoff -a; swapon -s; sudo swapon -a'
[09:35] <skalpel> done
[09:35] <bsoric> if someone logs in as root, and they do something stupid, the something stupid can mess up your system
[09:35] <cafuego> drew: imagine 'rm -rf  / *ohshit!*^C^C^C^C^C^C' as root versus as user.
[09:35] <bsoric> lol
[09:35] <thoreauputic> drew: higher risk of personal error, and higher risk of malicious code breaking stuff
[09:35] <bluefoxicy> drew:  if you log in as root you can access ad ministrative functions; but as a normal user, ubuntu supplies sudoing function to give 'administrator' users the ability to run programs as root by entering their password at the appropriate time.
[09:36] <cafuego> skalpel: Did that print any errors?
[09:36] <skalpel> ubuntu is awesome.
[09:36] <bluefoxicy> drew:  Root access precludes any security.
[09:36] <skalpel> cafuego: no, none
[09:36] <cafuego> skalpel: There you go, then.
[09:36] <bluefoxicy> drew:  If someone gets you and you have root, your box is screwed.
[09:36] <skalpel> cafuego: all done huh
[09:36] <cafuego> You now have a persistent swap file.
[09:36] <skalpel> thank you so much
[09:36] <drew> bluefoxicy, what do you mean?
[09:37] <cafuego> !applaud
[09:37] <ubotu> Huzzah! Done!
[09:37] <skalpel> computer_guru: thank you too
[09:37] <drew> so it won't really do much, you'll just have total power and freedom and just have to be so much more careful with files?
[09:37] <bluefoxicy> drew:  If I were to gain access to you through illicit means (re:  http://www.thinkgeek.com/books/nonfiction/6637/ ) I could sit around and kill some of your programs.
[09:37] <cafuego> Now for the difficult task of deciding whether to have cheesy or mushroomy tortellini for dinner
[09:37] <cafuego> drew: indeed
[09:38] <drew> oh, so only log in as root if you truly know what ur doing?
[09:38] <bsoric> where would I post a script i made to so that people who could fix the problem could see it, but script kiddies and similar couldn't see it?
[09:38] <bluefoxicy> drew:  I could break your files and shit too.  Maybe access a terminal, sniff your X session.  A few countermeasures to handle hacking your X session up could handle that though (SE-X)
[09:38] <bsoric> never logion as root
[09:38] <thoreauputic> drew: about 30 years of *nix says it is a Bad Idea
[09:38] <cafuego> drew: Seeing as you'll be sleepy at least twice a day, go with user+sudo
[09:38] <nJess> hey, will compiling a kernel with ALL the modules cause severe slowdown?
[09:38] <Razor-X> i'm so tired that the concept of double-sided printing is confounding my brain... :(
[09:38] <nJess> i compiled the entire source as-is, and im not sure if that will cause issues
[09:38] <cafuego> nJess: Only in the compilation, not in running.
[09:38] <drew> I don't leave my system on though
[09:38] <znh> nJess: no not really, it would take some more ram
[09:38] <nJess> so in running, i'll be fine?
[09:39] <bluefoxicy> drew:  Now if you were root, I could jack in and stick a kernel module in your kernel, autoload it in your init scripts, and have it hide the init files that autoload it so you don't see it ever.
[09:39] <cafuego> drew: You do make typoes though
[09:39] <Razor-X> but my finals notes done in LaTeX came out fine...
[09:39] <cafuego> nJess: yep
[09:39] <znh> skapple: hey it's my girl
[09:39] <Razor-X> what is mpd?
[09:39] <bluefoxicy> drew:  Then I could start sniffing memory and networks for passwords, encryption keys, and credit card IDs.  Boom.
[09:39] <Razor-X> I mean, how's it work?
[09:39] <thoreauputic> drew: it's your system: just don't say you weren't warned
[09:39] <bluefoxicy> drew:  So?  I can break into your PC through GAIM or X-chat or Firefox given a bit of advanced knowledge, if I can catch it before pitti finds out.
[09:39] <bsoric> drew, login as a regular user, not root. if someone hacks you, theres a better chance of your system living
[09:39] <cafuego> Yes, expect to be mocked when you come back asking how to restore the system ;-)
[09:40] <bsoric> oh yeah
[09:40] <cafuego> And don't underestimate our skill in mocking
[09:40] <drew> th worst that would happen is that I'd need to reinstall it though
[09:40] <bluefoxicy> cafuego:  I don't have that kind of problem.  I have 10 gig for / and the rest /home.  If I have a system problem (hey I run breezy!) I just reinstall.
[09:40] <znh> bluefoxicy: breaking in someone's pc is not that easy ;)
[09:40] <Razor-X> bluefoxicy: it's hard, very hard
[09:40] <bsoric> unless you hadanything sensitive on there
[09:40] <bluefoxicy> drew:   You wouldn't know if I did it.
[09:40] <Razor-X> in IRC you probably could but, ah, hard still
[09:40] <znh> lol
[09:41] <bluefoxicy> drew:  With a kernel module, I could make ls and stat() not show files.
[09:41] <vinux> hey guys how do I intall a GDM theme?
[09:41] <thoreauputic> drew: why are you asking? You've clearly already decided to fly in the face of all received wisdom ?
[09:41] <znh> even when you would find a bug.. it won't give you that many space to move
[09:41] <rowanjl> Hey, I'm using a Warty livecd atm, but I want to know if there is a way that I can write it to disk, without using the install cd... Any ideas?
[09:41] <bluefoxicy> drew:  This could be used to hide the files placed in your init scripts so that at boot time the hacked up kerenl module is silently modprobe()d for.  The module would hide itself from lsmod too.  Its file would be hidden too.
[09:41] <Razor-X> all I can bring up now is ``nmap -sS -P 0''
[09:41] <nJess> can the compiler get stuck in an infinite loop?
[09:41] <Razor-X> bluefoxicy: or make the default renlevel 0
[09:41] <hyphenated> drew: nope, the worst is a keylogger is installed somewhere, and they get all of your accounts, your credit card numbers, your home address, your cellphone numbers, and plant some damning evidence of you chatting to 14 year olds for naughty things then blackmail you
[09:41] <nJess> i could swear i have seen this before
[09:41] <Razor-X> s/renlevel/runlevel/
[09:41] <bsoric> lol
[09:41] <nJess> and its been running for over 5 hours
[09:42] <drew> I am asking because I figured out how to enable the root account and I find it a pain in the butt to change permissions all the time on folders that root creates
[09:42] <Razor-X> are you people trying to give drew a heart attack, or what?
[09:42] <bluefoxicy> drew:  so one day your browser or gaim crashes, you're root, no big deal.  What you don't know is that someone is now reading everything you do on the net, everything in memory, and can pick up your credit card IDs, passwords to bank accounts, etc.
[09:42] <Razor-X> drew: sudo -s gives you root access
[09:42] <znh> nJess: hm what does it repeat
[09:42] <Razor-X> without creating a real account
[09:42] <nJess> well
[09:42] <skalpel> is it normal to have alot of 'k' processes running under ubuntu?
[09:42] <bsoric> is it more trouble to change permissions, or to reinstall?
[09:42] <bluefoxicy> drew:  and at every reboot, the hijacked environment is set back up silently.  You never get a chance to find out about it.
[09:42] <nJess> i could swear i have seen it compile in the ide drivers before
[09:42] <thoreauputic> skalpel: yes
[09:42] <skalpel> k
[09:42] <skalpel> =)
[09:42] <bsoric> skalpel: if you have kde
[09:43] <bluefoxicy> bsoric:  if your /home isn't on / it's probably easier to reinstall, unless you have excessive samba/printer/apache/squid configuration in /etc :)
[09:43] <thoreauputic> skalpel: most of them refer to the kernel
[09:43] <Razor-X> I was so sleepy... I forgot the emacs macro command :(
[09:43] <skalpel> i do not, i have gnome
[09:43] <znh> morning
[09:43] <skalpel> thoreaputic: alright
[09:43] <thoreauputic> bsoric: that too ;)
[09:43] <Razor-X> last-macro, rather
[09:43] <Razor-X> I think I need sleep
[09:43] <drew> but if I login root one day, and login normal user the next, does it matter>
[09:43] <Razor-X> night all
[09:43] <drew> ?
[09:43] <znh> Razor-X: night
[09:43] <bluefoxicy> drew:  Use root to do admin tasks only.  Ubuntu provides sudo for that so you use root the least amount you have to.
[09:43] <znh> drew: you mean your loggin in with a normal user like via a terminal?
[09:43] <thoreauputic> drew: read our lips *logging in as root is a Bad Idea*
[09:44] <bluefoxicy> drew:  if you log in one ady and get rooted, then become a normal user, you're permenantly taken.
[09:44] <drew> hm
[09:44] <bluefoxicy> drew:  gnome, system->administration, there's all you need root for.  It asks for your password, just enter it and bam.  Program gets root.
[09:44] <znh> you guys make it a little oversized
[09:44] <thoreauputic> drew: when tempted to do foolish things, Just Say No ;-)
[09:45] <drew> and I suppose Firestarter won;t help then?
[09:45] <cafuego> drew: it pays to make sure you've got good habits, security-wise.
[09:45] <Ocid> drew: if you REALLY want to run as root, get something idiotic like linspire ;)
[09:45] <bsoric> drew: you cant rely totally on a firewall
[09:45] <cafuego> drew: Sure you can log in as root one day and as user the next, but you WILL eventually mess something up by accident.
[09:46] <bluefoxicy> znh:  not at all.  Casually running as root leads to continuous vulnerability.  It's the same as casually turning your antivirus program off because it stops you from running some programs it occasionally false-positives on.
[09:46] <drew> I know that, but does it help at all?
[09:46] <cafuego> drew: if you don't care about that, use root by all means.
[09:46] <thoreauputic> drew: a default Ubuntu install has no services accessible, so firestarter does basically nothing unless you install/run services
[09:46] <Razor-X> drew: the detractors of being root supersede using a root account tenfold
[09:46] <bluefoxicy> drew:  firestarter/iptables is useless typically on ubuntu :)
[09:46] <znh> bluefoxicy: antivirus.. this aint a windows channel :/
[09:46] <cafuego> drew: yes, imagine an exploit for an irc client like x-chat. if it runs as root, it can modify the system.
[09:46] <Razor-X> root is only used for tasks explicitly not allowed to the user, and only in measured doses
[09:46] <bsoric> drew: when you use root, pull out the network cable from the back of your computer
[09:46] <bluefoxicy> znh:  no but it gives a prime illustration.  I know quite a few windows users get a firewall, then turn the fucker off and say "yes I have norton internet security so I'm safe"
[09:46] <Razor-X> the reason Windows is so broken is because every user is root, with some sudo-chopping
[09:47] <bsoric> that should do it
[09:47] <bluefoxicy> znh:  they turn it off because it gets in their way.
[09:47] <Razor-X> in Linux, nothing damaging can be done without running as root
[09:47] <bsoric> thats not true
[09:47] <Razor-X> which means malicious code is _much_ harder to run
[09:47] <bluefoxicy> Razor-X:  would you like to rm -rf / right now?  :)
[09:47] <bluefoxicy> Razor-X:  back up your porn first
[09:47] <Razor-X> if you don't want my word for it, take Leo Laporte's ;)
[09:47] <cafuego> Razor-X: fill up /var and try that again ;-)
[09:47] <Razor-X> bluefoxicy: I know what that is ;)
[09:47] <pax> wtf the guy want to run as root, let him be. drew, all these people giving you advice are trying to fool you, go ahead use root all the time, login X as root too, be a happy man.
[09:47] <olaf> i don't know what the hell you would have to do to run something malicious on your linux computer, especially if you're just browsing the web
[09:47] <bluefoxicy> Razor-X:  it's damaging, it's not THAT damaging.
[09:48] <Razor-X> and I thought rm -rf / can't be run not as root?
[09:48] <bsoric> ignore pax
[09:48] <cafuego> Razor-X: Try it and see...
[09:48] <bluefoxicy> Razor-X:  it can be, it'll just say it can't remove root-read-write directories.
[09:48] <Razor-X> cafuego: no, i'll take your word for it ;)
[09:48] <thoreauputic> pax: great advice </sarcasm>
[09:48] <drew> pax, I'm not THAT stupid :P
[09:48] <ToRTuReD_X> do i have to make any partitions if i'm not dual booting?
[09:48] <bluefoxicy> Razor-X:  it'll go on to remove everything else it can.
[09:48] <bsoric> ubuntu should do it for you
 pax, I'm not THAT stupid :P <---are you sure?
[09:48] <Razor-X> bluefoxicy: I kinda figure that
[09:48] <cafuego> Razor-X: I expect it will print a whole lot of 'permission denied' until it gets to yuor homedir ;-)
[09:48] <Razor-X> it'll delete personal files, but it's not as crippling as running it as root
[09:49] <bsoric> do it in ubuntu live
[09:49] <bsoric> then reboot
[09:49] <drew> nJess, positive, I never said I'd do it while having network connectivity ;)
[09:49] <Razor-X> that's my point
[09:49] <EdLin> ToRTuReD_X, yes, you need at least the root filesystem and a swap partition
[09:49] <znh> drew it's just this: there are allot programs made and build for ubuntu, if there's even one or more program that has bad meanings, you give it all permissions that's why we suggest you to login as a non-root user
[09:49] <cafuego> ToRTuReD_X: Ubuntu will do that automatically anyway.
[09:49] <Razor-X> not just us, but almost every freaking Linux user ;)
[09:49] <bluefoxicy> hmm
[09:50] <bluefoxicy> a question for tomorrow.  sleep.
[09:50] <ToRTuReD_X> edlin - that'd explain why it wouldn't install the first time
[09:50] <znh> good night bluefoxicy
[09:50] <ToRTuReD_X> ;/
[09:50] <nadroj> what would i type into the terminal to move feedparser to its distribution directory?
[09:50] <Razor-X> ok, the next tllts is done downloading, and i'm off tobed
[09:50] <cafuego> Okay, and now I have a spare B&W G3/350 :-)
[09:51] <EdLin> ToRTuReD_X, just let the installer create the parititons
[09:51] <rowanjl> How do I tell if the Shipit site has registered my request?
[09:51] <znh> hans@amd1400:~/kopete/kopete-0.10.1$ ./configure
[09:51] <znh> Segmentation fault
[09:51] <znh> I love detailed error messages
[09:51] <drew> one thing I don;t see...distros like gentoo are by default logged in as root...nothing ever happens to them as far as I know, what makes ubuntu so much more vulnerable?
[09:51] <bsoric> lol
[09:51] <bsoric> nothing
[09:51] <nJess> screw this
[09:52] <znh> define this
[09:52] <nJess> znh, the kernel compile was looping
[09:52] <thoreauputic> drew: erm, gentoo doesn't use root as default
[09:52] <cafuego> znh: if ./configure segfaults, you have a bad problem.
[09:52] <nJess> so i just killed it, i'll use a precompiled kernel
[09:52] <bsoric> drew: from what ive heard, gentoo is down most of the time, so its got less chance of being hacked
[09:52] <znh> cafuego: that's a smart notice :) (I know)
[09:52] <cafuego> znh: As in: bad ram, bad cpu, bad system libs/shell/kernel
[09:52] <rowanjl> bsoric, funny :)
[09:52] <bsoric> thanks
[09:52] <znh> cafuego: well I just installed kde-devel
[09:53] <nJess> i had redhat segfault in kde on a fresh install once
[09:53] <cafuego> znh: ./configure is just a /bin/sh script
[09:53] <rowanjl> bsoric, they spend so much time downloading source that they never have time for anything else
[09:53] <nJess> never touched an rpm distro again
[09:53] <bsoric> hehe
[09:53] <cafuego> znh: try 'strace ./configure'
[09:53] <sJaM> rowanjl, you can do things at night
[09:53] <sJaM> or when you are at work / school
[09:53] <thoreauputic> rowanjl: the rest of the time the machine is compiling ;)
[09:53] <drew> the default account is root for gentoo, but you are prompted to make a new one during setup, but I know people that are using root in other distros all the time, so I can't help but wonder why nothing happens to them, yet things are so dangerous in ubuntu
[09:53] <rowanjl> sJaM, true
[09:53] <znh> cafuego: and then
[09:53] <rowanjl> thoreauputic, hah
[09:54] <rowanjl> Its fine to compile specific parts of the system, but the whole thing?
[09:54] <bsoric> drew: the default account is root cos without root you cant make a new account
[09:54] <sJaM> and in gentoo you do not use root all the time drew
[09:54] <sJaM> gentoo users are mostly smarter than the average ubuntu usrs
[09:54] <thoreauputic> drew: incoorect conclusions from a limited sample
[09:54] <znh> hmm I screwed my ubuntu.. wohoo..
[09:55] <bsoric> good job
[09:55] <nJess> you have to reboot after a kernel upgrade, right?
[09:55] <znh> thanks!
[09:55] <sJaM> yes
[09:55] <rowanjl> thoreauputic, or how about incorrect conclustions from a stupid person?
[09:55] <bsoric> no problem
[09:55] <sJaM> nJess yes
[09:55] <bsoric> ooohhh
[09:55] <znh> anyways, I just installed kde-devel how to see what dependicies it _had_
[09:55] <thoreauputic> drew: slackware also boots into root on install - you are expected to have enough clues to set up user accounts
[09:55] <drew> when I used gentoo, I was always root and nothing ever happened
[09:55] <drew> unless it was my fault
[09:55] <bsoric> lucky you
[09:55] <sJaM> then you didn't read the handbook good enough
[09:55] <thoreauputic> drew: that proves absolutely nothing
[09:56] <sJaM> it clearly states ...
[09:56] <nJess> well
[09:56] <nJess> there goes my 20 day uptime
[09:56] <bsoric> "dont login to root"
[09:56] <znh> drew: just like like bsoric you we're lucky, but don't forget mostly everything in gentoo is from source build
[09:56] <mattyJ> does anyone know hwo to get galago working?
[09:56] <znh> Can someone tell me how to see what kde-devel his dependicies are?
[09:56] <linlin> is there an apt package for mysql for ubuntu?
[09:56] <drew> znh, that;s true...
[09:56] <sJaM> yes
[09:56] <drew> linlin, yes
[09:56] <bsoric> linlin: yes
[09:57] <sJaM> sudo apt-get install mysql-server
[09:57] <sJaM> for the server
[09:57] <sJaM> sudo apt-get install mysql-client
[09:57] <sJaM> for the client
[09:57] <sJaM> but that one you already have
[09:57] <nJess> how does one install unrealIRCd in ubuntu?
[09:57] <bsoric> or use synaptic, type mysql
[09:57] <znh> can someone put in the topic that kde-devel is corrupt
[09:57] <znh> bob2: are you there?
[09:57] <drew> well them, if I ever do use root, what precautions should I take beforehand?
[09:58] <bsoric> unplug connections to the internet
[09:58] <drew> lmao
[09:58] <sJaM> why would you drew
[09:58] <bsoric> just use sudo
[09:58] <sJaM> it is completely useless
[09:58] <drew> sJam, if my patience grew thin XD
[09:58] <sJaM> even single user mode is better
[09:58] <nJess> holy shit...i just saw "savedefault" and thought i saw "segfault" and my heart nearly lept out of my chest
[09:58] <pax> znh: use sudo apt-get install kde-devel --dry-run to find out
[09:58] <thoreauputic> drew: put your box in a bombproof underground concrete bunker without electricity *grin*
[09:58] <IIIEars> lol@njess
[09:59] <znh> pax: nice, thanks - hope I can delete all those packages to solve this
[09:59] <linlin> thankyou sJaM
[09:59] <sJaM> np
[09:59] <drew> lmao
[09:59] <drew> oh fun
[09:59] <drew> XD
[09:59] <bsoric> where would I post a script i made to so that people who could fix the problem could see it, but script kiddies and similar couldn't see it?
[10:00] <rowanjl> How can I tell if shipit has registered my request for CDs after my first request for warty ones? I know it has a history of the previous ones, but thats no use
[10:00] <znh> pax: not helpfull :(
[10:00] <IIIEars> thoreauputic - Any good free AV scanners that can be used with samba to scan a windows share?
[10:00] <bsoric> i think aegis can
[10:00] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: clamav I guess
[10:00] <bsoric> ok then
[10:00] <linlin> ok sJaM now what about the apache modules nd such for sql
[10:00] <pax> znh: gives you a list of unmet dependencies, doesn it?
[10:00] <IIIEars> thoreuaputic - clam will scan only a bit of archived files
[10:00] <rowanjl> "We are currently mailing CDs first to people who did not receive Warty Warthog CDs" So anyone know if thats done or how much of that is done?
[10:01] <znh> pax: no, the following new packages will be installed: kde-devel
[10:01] <f4phantom2500> hi
[10:01] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: as i said, my windows knowledge is minuscule
[10:01] <bsoric> rowanjl: also, how much of the world didnt recieve those discs?
[10:01] <IIIEars> thoreuaputic - Okay - Thank You. - i'll keep looking and let ya know
[10:01] <pax> znh: something is wrong with your box papa
[10:01] <znh> pax: you bet
[10:01] <f4phantom2500> i feel like a super lame ass asking this, but i cant figure out how to install stuff in ubuntu outside of the terminal, so how do i install stuff thats not in the databases or lists or w/e it checks?
[10:02] <znh> kde-devel is untrustable
[10:02] <thoreauputic> !synaptic
[10:02] <ubotu> synaptic is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[10:02] <rowanjl> bsoric, yeah. Right now I'm stuck with 25 Ubuntu Warty CDs that don't work at all. I'd really like to get some new ones
[10:02] <IIIEars> f-prot and bitdefender are free but Ubuntu is just too powerful <grin> always referred to as a server.
[10:02] <thoreauputic> !repositories
[10:02] <ubotu> somebody said repositories was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto, or repos
[10:02] <bsoric> rowanjl: coasters???
[10:02] <rowanjl> Yep
[10:02] <bsoric> cool
[10:02] <rowanjl> I sent most of them away. But they all came back
[10:03] <f4phantom2500> so is every program that you can install in a repository?
[10:03] <thoreauputic> f4phantom2500: if you read ubotu's URLs you will have 16 000 + to choose from
[10:03] <rowanjl> The installer on them is barfed
[10:03] <znh> f4phantom2500: yes, but compiling from the source is HIGHLY recommended
[10:03] <thoreauputic> f4phantom2500: there are others - source code or 3rd party
[10:03] <rowanjl> Has anyone seen the screenshots of Vista? How freaking ugly!
[10:03] <bsoric> looks like xp, with higher graphics requirements
[10:04] <bsoric> like pointless translucency
[10:04] <EdLin> znh, wtf? You should always "aptitude install" from the repositories whenever possible, compiling from source leads to dependency problems.
[10:04] <f4phantom2500> compiling them from the source?
[10:04] <f4phantom2500> how the hell do i do that?
[10:04] <thoreauputic> znh: why is compiling "highly recommended" unless rquired?
[10:04] <Warsie> i just bought an nvidia card, apt-get installed nvidia-glx file...
[10:04] <EdLin> f4phantom2500, don't pay attention to that piece of advice.
[10:04] <IIIEars> 16,272 packages to choose from. thats a lot. (begins counting on fingers and toes. - then gives up.)
[10:04] <f4phantom2500> k
[10:04] <znh> because there are corrupt packages I just noticed - such as kde-devel
[10:04] <Warsie> howdo i change my xorg.conf to use my video card?
[10:04] <sJaM> linlin libapache2_auth_mysql
[10:04] <f4phantom2500> so basically i add repositories or w/e?
[10:04] <f4phantom2500> thats the easiest way to do it?
[10:04] <thoreauputic> f4phantom2500: just enable repositories and don't worry about compiling until you are more advanced
[10:04] <f4phantom2500> i see
[10:05] <drew> an AMD Sempron processor requires the AMD64 install CD...am I wrong?
[10:05] <Warsie> ive tried "sudo edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf" and i get an error running edit
[10:05] <Warsie> and im not too handy with vim
[10:05] <thoreauputic> f4phantom2500: almost everything is available from the repos
[10:05] <EdLin> f4phantom2500, even when you *are* more advanced you don't want to compile unless you have to.
[10:05] <sJaM> sorry linlin
[10:05] <Madpilot> drew: I thought all the Semprons were regular old 32bit processors?
[10:05] <sJaM> sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-auth-mysql
[10:05] <f4phantom2500> i see
[10:05] <f4phantom2500> big pain in the ass i bet
[10:05] <Ocid> Warsie: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:05] <thoreauputic> f4phantom2500: if you aren't sure, ask us or use synaptic search function
[10:05] <drew> so x86 then?
[10:05] <IIIEars> when you begin to enjoy compiling things. add sourceforge 100,00 projects and freshmeat also (don't know how many proj.)
[10:06] <Madpilot> drew: that works for everything...
[10:06] <f4phantom2500> so what if its not in the repositories? are they like all listed here?
[10:06] <drew> lol
[10:06] <ankur> Hi, I enabled quotas on my /home partition, but I cannot create files in my home directory now
[10:06] <EdLin> f4phantom2500, it's not a pain to compile from source, but it defeats the whole idea of having a big package repository in the first place.
[10:06] <drew> go figure XD
[10:06] <sJaM> compiling isn't very difficult for small things
[10:06] <Warsie> how do i get x to find my new video card?
[10:06] <thoreauputic> f4phantom2500: compiling isn't that hard - but it requires a bit more  knowledge
[10:06] <sJaM> just read the README and INSTALL properly
[10:06] <Madpilot> are AMD Semprons considered K7 chips like my XP-M CPU?
[10:06] <rowanjl> Anyone here form AU?
[10:06] <bsoric> rowanjl: yes
[10:06] <sJaM> it is sometimes better than using weird repos
[10:06] <f4phantom2500> yeah a sempron is just an xp with less cache
[10:07] <rowanjl> Hah, well hello
[10:07] <thoreauputic> f4phantom2500: as i said, almost everything is in the repositories
[10:07] <f4phantom2500> unless its a socket 754
[10:07] <bsoric> hi
[10:07] <rowanjl> What state?
[10:07] <bsoric> SA
[10:07] <bsoric> the toxic waste dump state
[10:07] <f4phantom2500> then its a stripped down a64...no 64-bit processing, less cache, etc
[10:07] <f4phantom2500> cool
[10:07] <f4phantom2500> thoreauputic, thanks
[10:07] <f4phantom2500> EdLin, u 2
[10:07] <f4phantom2500> znh 2
[10:07] <EdLin> f4phantom2500, np
[10:08] <rowanjl> bsoric, same here
[10:08] <bsoric> lol ok
[10:08] <rowanjl> South of the city?
[10:08] <bsoric> yup
[10:08] <rowanjl> Cool, I'm from Mount Barker :P
[10:08] <TooSad> hi
[10:08] <f4phantom2500> wtf is universe and multiverse?
[10:08] <bsoric> ok
[10:08] <thoreauputic> f4phantom2500: you basically need universe and multiverse enabled - and perhaps temporarily hoary extras from backports for codecs etc ( I comment that out after using it )
[10:09] <Madpilot> !repos
[10:09] <ubotu> rumour has it, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[10:09] <znh> Die! - kdelibs
[10:09] <Madpilot> f4phantom2500: see ubotu's URL for info
[10:09] <IIIEars> Warsie -  kill the xserver then sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg   "ubotu display" will give you a link
[10:09] <TooSad> /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/gnomebt/manager.py:153: GtkDeprecationWarning: gtk.TRUE is deprecated, use True instead
[10:09] <TooSad>   self.iconlist.set_sorted (gtk.TRUE).............i must replace in   self.iconlist.set_sorted (TRUE)?
[10:09] <rowanjl> bsoric, what town are you in?
[10:09] <thoreauputic> f4phantom2500: universe is community supported software, multiverse is "non-free" in the Freedom sense of the word
[10:09] <IIIEars> ubotu tell Warsie about display
[10:10] <bsoric> if by town you mean suburb, Clarence Gardens
[10:10] <bsoric> (not far south of the city)
[10:10] <znh> !operators
[10:10] <ubotu> znh: Are you smoking crack?
[10:10] <rowanjl> Cool, I was working there today
[10:10] <znh> !admins
[10:10] <ubotu> znh: I give up, what is it?
[10:11] <znh> omg..
[10:11] <f4phantom2500> so i want to get as many repositories as i can?
[10:11] <IIIEars> znh - what do you need??
[10:11] <Madpilot> znh: if you want to summon the ops, use !ops
[10:11] <znh> !ops
[10:11] <ubotu> Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, fooishbar, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmich, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia!
[10:11] <nJess> hey znh
[10:11] <Madpilot> but don't do it unless you *need* too... oooops....
[10:11] <znh> nJess: hey :)
[10:11] <EdLin> f4phantom2500, no, just Ubuntu and Ubunto-related ones, mixing in non-Ubuntu repositories can be problematic.
[10:11] <f4phantom2500> hmm
[10:11] <ankur> Hi, I enabled quotas on my /home partition, but I cannot create files in my home directory now, could someone help
[10:11] <EdLin> Ubuntu-related*
[10:11] <nJess> [teh]  is my linux box, and i run a sys info script to show you the specs so you can see if that is why compile takes so long?
[10:12] <f4phantom2500> well right now im trying to get a program that'll run a certain kind of mp4 file
[10:12] <enyc_> f4ph:  FAAD?
[10:12] <nJess> s/and/can
[10:12] <f4phantom2500> i torrented a lot of episodes of voyager in xp and without it i can only watch them in xp...and it blows ass cuz my windows install is falling apart or something
[10:12] <nadroj> what would i type into the terminal to move feedparser to its distribution directory?
[10:12] <f4phantom2500> which is why i installed linux in the first place
[10:13] <f4phantom2500> FAAD?
[10:13] <enyc_> f4ph: ?what format air these episodes in?
[10:13] <znh> bob2,fabbione,jdub,mdz,Amaranth,ajmitch,crimsun,ogra,Burgundavia: Can I have your attention?
[10:13] <EdLin> f4phantom2500, try mplayer with w32codecs. You'll need universe, multiverse, and hoary-extras
[10:13] <f4phantom2500> i dont know the exact type but its some kind of derivative of mp4
[10:13] <fabbione> znh: ?
[10:13] <[teh] > hey znh, this is njess on the ubuntu box, can i run a sysinfo script to show you the specs to see if there is some reason i can't compile properly?
[10:13] <znh> fabbione: ha glad
[10:13] <enyc_> hrrm MpEG4-derivatives.. like XVid, divx, stuff..  usually work well under  'mplayer' / 'xine'
[10:14] <thoreauputic> f4phantom2500: a good first step in every case is to run for example " apt-cache search mp4" then run "apt-cache show" for theones that look interesting
[10:14] <f4phantom2500> how do i get universe multiverse and hoary-extras
[10:14] <enyc_> f4ph: either use the 'synaptic' package manager to add the package-sources...
[10:14] <znh> fabbione: kde-devel should be deleted from the reps, It ruins up ubuntu
[10:14] <enyc_> f4ph: or  'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list' and change it yourself
[10:14] <Burgundavia> znh, say again?
[10:15] <IIIEars> ubotu tell f4phantom !repositories
[10:15] <thoreauputic> f4phantom2500: ubotu has already posted the URL about 3 times, but here it is again
[10:15] <skalpel> hi, i tried to install pysoulseek today and i think it is interfering with nicotine now, is this possible?
[10:15] <fabbione> znh: it's not with me you need to talk. send a mail to ubuntu-devel mailing list with all the proper explanations
[10:15] <thoreauputic> !repos
[10:15] <ubotu> from memory, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[10:15] <skalpel> nicotine is hanging when it tries to log in now
[10:15] <skalpel> ca someone help me
[10:15] <IIIEars> Hi skalpel :)
[10:15] <f4phantom2500> nah i got it open in firefox already
[10:16] <skalpel> iiiears: hi ears
[10:16] <IIIEars> f4phantom - enable them in synaptic - much easier than d/l ing each one at a time.
[10:17] <thoreauputic> !backports
[10:17] <tmt_> has anyone came from vietnam here ?
[10:17] <ubotu> rumour has it, backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[10:17] <IIIEars> tell f4phantom2500 !repositories !codecs
[10:17] <thoreauputic> f4phantom2500: be careful with backports though
[10:18] <IIIEars> ubotu tell f4phantom2500 !repositories !codecs
[10:18] <f4phantom2500> !repositories !codecs?
[10:18] <ubotu> f4phantom2500: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[10:18] <f4phantom2500> .........huh?
[10:18] <thoreauputic> !codecs
[10:18] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, codecs is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:19] <skalpel> does anyone have any idea why nicotine would be hanging when it tries to login? i think it has something to do with pysoulseek but i am not sure
[10:19] <thespiritoftal> hi
[10:19] <[teh] > can i use a hoary kernel in warty?
[10:19] <znh> why would you :)
[10:20] <[teh] > because it is easier than upgrading to hoary
[10:20] <[teh] > as i don't have a hoary cd
[10:20] <thespiritoftal> when I check to completely remove firestarter it gives error : E: firestarter: subprocess post-removal script returned error status 1. Any ideas how to fix it?
[10:20] <thoreauputic> [teh] : if you have broadband you can dist-upgrade to hoary from warty
[10:21] <[teh] > not enough bandwidth
[10:21] <thoreauputic> [teh] : OK
[10:21] <Madpilot> [teh] : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UpgradingFromWartyWarthogToHoaryHedgehog
[10:21] <[teh] > i don't want to upgrade
[10:21] <cafuego> Any of you people in holland, have a scanner and a packet of chocomel in the fridge you could scan for me?
[10:21] <Madpilot> ah, missed the bandwidth comment, sorry
[10:21] <[teh] > i just need a kernel image with ndiswrapper in it
[10:21] <IIIEars> lol@cafuego
[10:21] <thoreauputic> [teh] : why do you need a new kernel? Unsupported hardware?
[10:22] <nadroj> i'm fairly new to linux.  what would i type into the terminal to move feedparser to its distribution directory?
[10:22] <drew> is it particularly bad if you add your user account to the admin user group?
[10:22] <[teh] > thoreauputic, i need ndiswrapper for my laptop's wireless
[10:22] <drew> er not admin
[10:22] <drew> root XD
[10:23] <EdLin> drew, if you don't know you shouldn't
[10:23] <thoreauputic> nadroj: the command is " mv" - you probably need "  sudo mv /path/to/file /path/to/new/directory "
[10:24] <nadroj> ok thanks!
[10:24] <f4phantom2500> hey which version of mplayer should i install?
[10:24] <sJaM> what computer you have
[10:24] <EdLin> f4phantom2500, that depends on your CPU
[10:24] <Trace>  when i tried to set an var through: pathcc="/mnt/C/Documents\ and\ Settings/All\ Users/", but when i try : cd $pathcc, i think it is wrong, but i don't know where, can anybody help me?
[10:24] <f4phantom2500> athlon xp 2500
[10:24] <sJaM> mostly the i585 version is the on you must have
[10:24] <sJaM> i586
[10:24] <sJaM> hehe
[10:24] <f4phantom2500> lol
[10:25] <thoreauputic> drew: you really are determined to undermine the efforts of 35 years of *nix design, aren't you ? *grin*
[10:25] <IIIEars> lol
[10:25] <f4phantom2500> thats the program i need; its one of the ones listed in the readme that was in the voyager dl
[10:25] <f4phantom2500> lol
[10:25] <ilba7r> hi i just compiled wine from source. Is there a way to make a deb file out of it? I do not like installing through make install for i do not know how to uninstall after word
[10:25] <drew> lmao, no, I just find experimentation fun :P
[10:26] <f4phantom2500> thats what he said
[10:26] <f4phantom2500> hehehe
[10:26] <EdLin> drew, if you really want to avoid using sudo's passwords you can configure sudo to not require a password. Don't say I didn't warn you if things go wrong though.
[10:26] <Madpilot> ...fun until it cooks your OS...
[10:26] <[teh] > so anyway
[10:26] <[teh] > if i use a hoary kernel with warty
[10:26] <f4phantom2500> then its hilarious
[10:26] <[teh] > it will still boot
[10:26] <[teh] > right?
[10:27] <sJaM> yes ilba7r
[10:27] <drew> it's not avoiding the passwords, I just find it a real pain in the ass to have to change permissiosn all the time manually
[10:27] <sJaM> checkinstall
[10:27] <drew> among other things
[10:27] <IIIEars> diable the root password and all you need now is the j2re runtime and mozilla activex - to be nearly as vulnerable as the redmond OS. - j/k
[10:27] <sJaM> install it: sudo apt-get install checkinstall
[10:27] <drew> it would just be easier as root is all XD
[10:27] <sJaM> and instead of make install
[10:27] <sJaM> you do checkinstall
[10:27] <EdLin> drew, change permissions?
[10:27] <ilba7r> thanx sJam
[10:27] <thoreauputic> [teh] : if it doesn't you will still have the old one to fall back on
[10:27] <f4phantom2500> ok i ran one of the episodes of voyager; it opened, i can see the video, but i got an error and cant hear sound
[10:27] <f4phantom2500> the error says:
[10:27] <sJaM> I mean sudo make install && sudo checkinstall of course
[10:27] <drew> EdLin, for example, I install a program, but I need to access that program's folders...it doesn't let me unless I change the permissions
[10:28] <EdLin> IIIEars, the j2re runtime is *not* a source of security risk ordinarily
[10:28] <[teh] > k
[10:28] <ilba7r> ok will do
[10:28] <[teh] > but if it does, that means i'll have ndiswrapper, right?
[10:28] <f4phantom2500> New_Face failed. Maybe the font path is wrong. Please supply the text font file (~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf).
[10:28] <sJaM> no
[10:28] <EdLin> drew, sudo -s and use it all you want until you don't need to.
[10:28] <ilba7r> and it will make a deb file?
[10:28] <sJaM> sudo checkinstall INSTEAD OF sudo make install
[10:28] <sJaM> (I forgot the sudo the first time)
[10:28] <drew> so sudo -s and then the directory?
[10:28] <ilba7r> i unsderstand sJam
[10:28] <EdLin> drew, no, just sudo -s
[10:29] <drew> oh I see
[10:29] <sJaM> ok
[10:29] <thoreauputic> drew: erm - why on earth do you need to access those directories except for configuration in /etc and so on? You only need even that very occasionally and only once
[10:29] <drew> much simpler than the things I've been trying >_<
[10:29] <EdLin> drew, then control-d back to your user account when you don't need to
[10:29] <znh> thoreauputic: He just wants attention
[10:29] <EdLin> s/need to/need it/
[10:29] <ilba7r> sJam great pakcage am reading the man for it now thanx again
[10:29] <drew> thoreauputic, because with games I play, I need to manually add things to the game such as special metrics or packages
[10:29] <f4phantom2500> ne1 know what i do about the problem?
[10:30] <f4phantom2500> New_Face failed. Maybe the font path is wrong. Please supply the text font file (~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf).
[10:30] <thoreauputic> drew: OK well as advised above, you can use sudo -s (or sudo -i)
[10:30] <EdLin> f4phantom2500, aptitude install mplayer-fonts
[10:30] <drew> alrighty then...thanks :P
[10:30] <QMario> When Linux loads a Flash Game in Mozilla Firefox, why dont' the arrow keys work?
[10:31] <f4phantom2500> *elevator music*
[10:31] <f4phantom2500> ok the errors gone...but i still cant hear it
[10:31] <f4phantom2500> which is fucked up...i can listen to music
[10:32] <thoreauputic> f4phantom2500: just a guess - try installing mplayer-fonts
[10:32] <f4phantom2500> i did
[10:33] <f4phantom2500> -_-
[10:33] <skalpel> is there an app in ubuntu like notepad.exe in windows?
[10:33] <znh> skalpel: lol - try gedit
[10:33] <Burgundavia> skalpel, gedit, applications-->accesories-->text editor
[10:33] <thoreauputic> skalpel: sort of - gedit, mousepad, scite, beaver ....
[10:33] <QMario> Gedit is better than notepad. :)
[10:33] <QMario>  When Linux loads a Flash Game in Mozilla Firefox, why dont' the arrow keys work?
[10:33] <EdLin> f4phantom2500, tell it to use esd for sound output, or disable the sound daemon in system / preferences / sound
[10:33] <thoreauputic> QMario: indeed
[10:34] <skalpel> thank you, gedit shall work.
[10:34] <EdLin> QMario, ask Macromedia
[10:34] <znh> they should disable the sound deamon by default in gnome
[10:34] <skalpel> actually gedit isnt in my accessories menu. should i install it or soething?
[10:34] <QMario> What will they tell me, EdLin?
[10:34] <thoreauputic> znh: I believe Breezy will have a different sound config
[10:35] <znh> thoreauputic: aha
[10:35] <f4phantom2500> since im on the topic of sound, how do i enable 5.1?
[10:35] <thoreauputic> znh: esd is a pain
[10:35] <znh> thoreauputic: sometimes just a bit latency - but why do you tell me?
[10:36] <sJaM> esd is nice
[10:36] <EdLin> QMario, maybe they'll open their source so someone can fix their bugs. Otherwise you can't do anything about it because its propritary.
[10:36] <Burgundavia> znh, they have fixed the issue in breezy by using alsa dmix
[10:36] <QMario> That stinks.
[10:36] <thoreauputic> sJaM: if you think esd is nice, please give me some of what you are smoking ;)
[10:36] <znh> Burgundavia: when are they going to do that in hoary?
[10:36] <Burgundavia> znh, they are not. Hoary is feature frozen
[10:37] <znh> oh noes
[10:37] <Burgundavia> znh, Breezy is due to be released in October
[10:37] <EdLin> Whoever invented sound daemons is first against the wall when the revolution comes
[10:37] <znh> so it's going to be just like debian sarge, many outdated packages :(
[10:37] <thoreauputic> znh: there's a howto about dmix on *shudder* ubuntuguide.org (actually it seems to work quite well )
[10:37] <Burgundavia> znh, Ubuntu releases every 6 months
[10:38] <znh> Burgundavia: you told me that it's frozen
[10:38] <f4phantom2500> i set it for esd but i still cant hear nething
[10:38] <Burgundavia> znh, and there is a clear and easy update path from Hoary to Breezy
[10:38] <linlin> what can i use to get information about a pci card that is in my system.
[10:38] <Burgundavia> znh, Ubuntu does not a have a "sid"
[10:38] <QMario> f4phanton2500, "pkill esd" in the terminal.
[10:38] <thoreauputic> znh: Hoary is frozen - Ubuntu isn't
[10:38] <linlin> i do not know the manufacturer or anytrhing so i cant find drivers
[10:38] <f4phantom2500> ok its fixed
[10:38] <znh> :-)
[10:38] <linlin> all i know is that its a tv tuner card based on XXXXX chipset
[10:38] <f4phantom2500> this is so badass
[10:39] <f4phantom2500> now i only have to load windows to play games
[10:39] <drew> is there any way to specify a specific time I wantlinux to shut down?
[10:39] <f4phantom2500> which i havent done for like a month lol
[10:39] <drew> I want to go to bed, but I have to finish this download...
[10:39] <drew> can I tell it to shutdown 5 hours from now somehow?
[10:39] <thoreauputic> drew: man shutdown ;-)
[10:39] <EdLin> linlin, run "dmesg" and look for tuner drivers, such as bttv
[10:39] <znh> drew: I think that would be possible to make with python
[10:39] <EdLin> drew, yes, run "at"
[10:39] <drew> at?
[10:39] <f4phantom2500> ne1 no of a way to run pc games in linux?
[10:40] <drew> command?
[10:40] <Psyche-> Hello!
[10:40] <Psyche-> I've managed to configure my SB Live! 24 bit using the tutorial posted on this forum. The sound is working, but it's very distorted. How can I correct this issue?
[10:40] <EdLin> znh, no need for a language.
[10:40] <EdLin> drew, man at
[10:40] <Burgundavia> drew, at basically schedules a command for a future date
[10:40] <drew> k
[10:40] <znh> EdLin: ok - will not do suggestion
[10:40] <QMario> F4phantom2500, you could always try wine.
[10:40] <f4phantom2500> speaking of sound, ne1 no how i can enable 5.1
[10:41] <EdLin> znh, Unix has so many nifty tools, no need to reinvent the wheel
[10:41] <drew> so if I want to shut down in 6 hours, what is my command?
[10:41] <f4phantom2500> heres what u do
[10:41] <f4phantom2500> set your alarm for 6 hours
[10:41] <f4phantom2500> turn it off
[10:41] <f4phantom2500> go back to sleep
[10:41] <f4phantom2500> lol
[10:41] <Psyche-> drew, man shutdown
[10:41] <drew> lmao
[10:41] <BirdFish> What is a good linux anti-virus program?
[10:41] <drew> too lazy :P
[10:41] <znh> (omg what funny.. meh)
[10:41] <thoreauputic> drew: or  sudo ahutdown -t hh:mm -h where hh:mm is hours and minutes - see the man page
[10:42] <Madpilot> just leave the machine running...
[10:42] <f4phantom2500> yeah...id be too
[10:42] <Madpilot> BirdFish: you don't need one, usually...
[10:42] <drew> okay
[10:42] <BirdFish> Madpilot why is that?
[10:42] <EdLin> drew, ah, forgot that shutdown has a built-in timer. No need for apt
[10:42] <EdLin> er, at
[10:43] <Burgundavia> BirdFish, no current linux viruses in the wild
[10:43] <Psyche-> So no answers for my question?
[10:43] <znh> Edlin: Unix has so many nifty tools, no need to reinvent the wheel
[10:43] <Burgundavia> Psyche-, what is your issue?
[10:43] <BirdFish> What about viruses that come from Windows machines?
[10:43] <EdLin> znh, :-)
[10:43] <Burgundavia> BirdFish, can't run on linux boxes
[10:43] <BirdFish> :D Cool
[10:43] <znh> BirdFish: yep
[10:44] <Psyche-> Burgundavia, sound is very distorted
[10:44] <Burgundavia> BirdFish, there is also no spyware for linux boxes either
[10:44] <Burgundavia> Psyche-, hoary?
[10:44] <Psyche-> yes
[10:44] <thoreauputic> BirdFish: you can laugh at windows viruses ;D
[10:44] <BirdFish> My copy of Ubuntu is on the way. I'm just trying to find out all about linux so that I can hopefully get it up and running efficiently in a couple of hours
[10:44] <drew> and this setting applies only once, correct?
[10:44] <thoreauputic> drew: correct - it's a one-time command
[10:44] <Psyche-> oh, and another question: I have installed a new gtk2-engines theme
[10:44] <Psyche-> how can I use it?
[10:45] <Psyche-> gtk, even
[10:45] <ruschi> @psyche: use gtk-theme-switch
[10:45] <Burgundavia> system-->prefs-->theme
[10:45] <Burgundavia> choose the theme
[10:45] <drew> it didn;t work
[10:45] <Burgundavia> drew, yes
[10:45] <Psyche-> Burgundavia, i can't find the theme there
[10:45] <thoreauputic> drew: then you got it wrong
[10:45] <Burgundavia> Psyche-, drag the theme to that window
[10:45] <Burgundavia> Psyche-, that will install it
[10:46] <Psyche-> I actually installed it with apt-get install gtk-engines-mac2
[10:46] <drew> I typed: sudo shutdown -t 08:00
[10:46] <Burgundavia> Psyche-, ok, it should be int eh themes dialog
[10:46] <f4phantom2500> man, this is way better than xp
[10:46] <thoreauputic> drew: if you want to halt the machine you need the -h option
[10:46] <Psyche-> Burgundavia, well, I'm afraid it isn't :)
[10:47] <drew> like, I want it to shut all the way down
[10:47] <thoreauputic> drew: in addition to the timer
[10:47] <spike> hi there
[10:47] <QMario> How do I put my computer on standby?
[10:47] <spike> I'm trying to do I net install, I've downloaded initrd.gz and linux, and dd'ed them to floppies. but none of the two is bootable
[10:47] <f4phantom2500> is it possible to play wma in ubuntu?
[10:47] <spike> what can I do?
[10:47] <drew> so...sudo shutdown -H -t 08:00  ?
[10:47] <Psyche-> f4phantom2500, yes, check the guide at www.ubuntuguide.org
[10:47] <f4phantom2500> i wanna no before i copy my music to this partition
[10:48] <ruschi> Virtual consode configuration question: I set up my kernel parameter to vga=ext and it nicely boots with small fonts but during the boot process it suddenly swiches back to the default 80x25 console - this is ugly on a 19" monitor. how can I configure the font of my virtual consoles??
[10:48] <spike> the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallationTutorial doesn't say much about it..
[10:48] <thoreauputic> drew: lower case -h
[10:48] <drew> ok
[10:48] <thoreauputic> drew: linux is case sensitive
[10:49] <salil> disconnect
[10:49] <drew> it says -t is illegal option
[10:49] <salil> quit
[10:49] <Psyche-> f4phantom2500, here you go: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#xmms
[10:49] <Madpilot> f4phantom2500: yeah, you can.
[10:49] <Burgundavia> Psyche-, please don't recommend ubuntuguide
[10:49] <spike> later
[10:49] <Psyche-> Burgundavia, why?
[10:49] <f4phantom2500> xmms...cool
[10:49] <Burgundavia> !ubuntuguide
[10:49] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[10:49] <f4phantom2500> i just found that and was about to ask lol
[10:49] <thoreauputic> drew: read the man page for "shutdown" - it isn't that hard to understand
[10:49] <f4phantom2500> psyche:  thanks
[10:50] <Psyche-> Burgundavia, it's true, there are no explanations there, but the guide is useful, imho
[10:50] <Burgundavia> Psyche-, please don't recommend it
[10:50] <ruschi> any ideas for my console beautyfication?
[10:50] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: that factoid is ... somewhat authoritarian in my view
[10:51] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic, somewhat yes, but also the truth
[10:52] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: some of the info is good, some bad - I think it depends what it is recommended for
[10:52] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: the wiki also has good and bad
[10:52] <drew> ok
[10:52] <drew> the shell stopped
[10:52] <drew> I typed: sudo /sbin/shutdown -h 08:00
[10:52] <drew> and it just stopped.
[10:52] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: for instance I found the NFS gi=uides on the wiki far too confusing for new users
[10:53] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic, there a lot of pages ont eh wiki that need help
[10:53] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: yes, I would edit some but I don't know enough on most of the subjects to feel confident doing so
[10:54] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic, CategoryCleanup if you want to dive in
[10:54] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: thanks, I'll have a look
[10:55] <thoreauputic> drew: it will hang until the time is up unless you do  ctrl-z  then bg to background the command
[10:56] <drew> ah ok, so it worked then
[10:56] <thoreauputic> drew: yes
[10:56] <drew> and it will shutdoen at 08:00 and not 8 hours from now?  XD
[10:57] <skalpel> does anyone else have trouble with nicotine loading you up on files you did not select?:
[10:57] <thoreauputic> drew: I think that means it will shut down in 8 hpurs but I would need to check the man page - someone else might know off the top of their head
[10:57] <drew> ah ok
[10:57] <drew> ty then
[10:57] <thoreauputic> drew: I suspect it means "eight hours from now"
[10:58] <Madpilot> what's the NTP server that ubuntu refers to during bootup?
[10:58] <Madpilot> the address of it, I mean...
[10:58] <Seveas> ntp.ubuntulinux.org
[10:59] <Madpilot> thanks.
[10:59] <Seveas> 82.211.81.145
[10:59] <Madpilot> does anyone else have problems with Hoary's clock running fast?
[10:59] <Madpilot> I synched mine this morning and it was 8 min fast just now...
[10:59] <michel> not for me
[11:01] <poningru> Madpilot: its probably your cmos
[11:01] <poningru> battery
[11:01] <poningru> try getting a new one
[11:01] <ToRTuReD_X> man this sux
[11:01] <ToRTuReD_X> gotta wait for this aniem e to finish downloading
[11:02] <Madpilot> it's a brand-new mobo, less that a month old...
[11:02] <Madpilot> crap, I was hoping to be done with hardware issues! ;)
[11:02] <IIIEars> Madpilot - What did you get?
[11:02] <f4phantom2500> well im out guys, later
[11:02] <f4phantom2500> thanks again
[11:03] <Madpilot> IIIEars: Asus A78X-E Dlx - but this is the replacement board, I had to RMA the first one...
[11:03] <Madpilot> which was only 3 months old itself...
[11:03] <IIIEars> ASUS makes the best stuff. - reaally surprised.
[11:03] <Madpilot> **** happens, I guess.
[11:04] <IIIEars> Never fun with a new computer. :/
[11:04] <Madpilot> ran my old Asus mobo for 5 yrs, no problems, and it's still in use at a friend's
[11:05] <poningru> Madpilot: thats just my guess
[11:05] <Madpilot> poningru: it's a sensible guess - but I really hope it's wrong!
[11:06] <[teh] > i need help
[11:06] <Madpilot> i've changed the NTP servers I'm referring to, we'll see what happens
[11:06] <[teh] > when i type "modprobe ndiswrapper" it says that the operation is not permitted
[11:06] <[teh] > how do i get around that?
[11:07] <poningru> [teh] : sudo
[11:07] <poningru> I am guessing
[11:08] <[teh] > sudo didn't work
[11:08] <thoreauputic> [teh] : you need root powers to modprobe - hence ' sudo modprobe "
[11:08] <ruschi> Virtual consode configuration question: I set up my kernel parameter to vga=ext and it nicely boots with small fonts but during the boot process it suddenly swiches back to the default 80x25 console - this is ugly on a 19" monitor. how can I configure the font of my virtual consoles??
[11:08] <ruschi> any ideas for my console beautyfication?
[11:08] <[teh] > it didn't work i said
[11:08] <Madpilot> anyway, I need sleep. see you later, everyone
[11:09] <thoreauputic> [teh] : well, what's the error
[11:10] <thoreauputic> [teh] : does it say "not permitted" when you use sudo?
[11:10] <[teh] > error insterting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko) operation not permitted
[11:10] <thoreauputic> hmm
[11:11] <[teh] > could ndiswrapper already be insterted?
[11:11] <ruschi> apropos sudo: in kde I cn't use any admin tools anymore... it asks for root passwd I give it and it says it was wrong - can't be.
[11:11] <ruschi> how do I fix it?
[11:12] <thoreauputic> [teh] : have a look at the output of  lsmod | grep ndiswrapper  (if any) I haven't used ndiswrapper, so...
[11:12] <pluffsy> hello
[11:12] <[teh] > no output
[11:13] <thoreauputic> ruschi: it wants your user password ( for sudo)
[11:14] <IIIEars> thoreauputic - what would happen if he used the users and groups tool to change his password?
[11:14] <ruschi> ok, I try
[11:14] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: I doubt that he needs to do that
[11:15] <ruschi> really - it works - thanks!
[11:15] <ruschi> i didn't know that
[11:15] <IIIEars> ruschi - Wait! - if you get into trouble and can't log back in ubuntuguide.org may have a kinda helpful tip.
[11:15] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: as you see ;)
[11:15] <thoreauputic> ruschi: look at the root/sudo page on the wiki as below
[11:15] <pluffsy> I've been using linux for sometime but are still a newbie. But I've only used it on pcc and never x86. Now I'm about to install ubuntu at my parents computer and it would be neat if they could still run some windows-applications. Will Wine just configure itself so it's just a simple apt-get to make double clicking windows apps to execute possible?
[11:15] <thoreauputic> !root
[11:15] <ubotu> somebody said root was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[11:16] <IIIEars> lol - okay - never ass-ume ANYTHING. ;)
[11:16] <ruschi> I am using linux since nov 2000 and never understood - about cared about sudo because I always thought it need root passwd not my own! Stupid - no this command makes sense!
[11:16] <thoreauputic> pluffsy: not quite, no
[11:16] <IIIEars> << promises to sit quietly and only jump in with discussions of the weather.
[11:16] <EdLin> pluffsy, WINE doesn't work for all programs, it still needs work. Also, apt-get only grabs Linux programs, not Windows ones.
[11:17] <Burgundavia> pluffsy, depends on the application
[11:17] <pluffsy> but like say mainly the ms office package.
[11:17] <EdLin> pluffsy, if you want to run MS Office most people reccomend the WINE fork Crosswinds Office
[11:18] <IIIEars> Edlin - Does adding mozilla activex help at all. - been trying to get Scrabble working for my wife. Xscrabble just isn't what she likes.
[11:18] <pluffsy> but that ain't free software, right?
[11:18] <thoreauputic> erm Crossover Office
[11:18] <EdLin> IIIEars, never used Mozilla ActiveX, sorry
[11:18] <EdLin> pluffsy, correct
[11:18] <poningru> pluffsy: use open office
[11:18] <pluffsy> right. but thanks.
[11:18] <poningru> 2.0 beta
[11:18] <poningru> ?
[11:18] <IIIEars> Edlin - okay, - actually that means something.
[11:19] <EdLin> IIIEars, are you sure the application isn't Java or Flash rather than ActiveX?
[11:20] <IIIEars> Edlin - it's almost nine years old. - it could be but it isn't likely.
[11:20] <TT_at_bragagild> hello ppl :-)
[11:20] <EdLin> IIIEars, Java plug-in technology is that old...
[11:21] <EdLin> IIIEars, actually, I think ActiveX is newer than Java.
[11:21] <IIIEars> Cedega - at this point willing to try anything for "domestic tranquility" - grin
[11:21] <EdLin> IIIEars, not by much though
[11:21] <TT_at_bragagild> Newbie question: do any of you know of a configuration program for alsa that is in ubuntu?
[11:21] <EdLin> IIIEars, scrabble is available for Java at games.yahoo.com
[11:22] <IIIEars> Edlin - Ah - Thanks
[11:22] <nadroj> i'm having trouble installing feedparser.  could someone walk me through it?
[11:22] <TT_at_bragagild> i've just bought a new sound card and i have no idea what it take to get it to play
[11:23] <thoreauputic> nadroj: I've never actually heard of it - what is it? And is it open source software?
[11:23] <theD3viL> TT_at_bragagild, i think you can try download alsa-config or somethink like that.
[11:24] <IIIEars> TT_at_bragagild - got kinda quiet in here all of a sudden.
[11:24] <TT_at_bragagild> thanx, theD3vil :-)
[11:24] <theD3viL> =)
[11:24] <theD3viL> n
[11:24] <TT_at_bragagild> i'll try that
[11:24] <theD3viL> p
[11:24] <IIIEars> nice tip
[11:24] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: we can't all be sound gurus like crimsun, I guess ;)
[11:24] <nadroj> yea, its open source.  i need it to use a gmail gdesklet
[11:25] <theD3viL> hm... anyone of you have gmail notifer??
[11:25] <mpmc> How do I change the permissions on a directory, So I dont have to use sudo to write to it?
[11:25] <nadroj> or could any of you recommend an easy to install notifier?
[11:25] <nadroj> hehe
[11:25] <theD3viL> mpmc, i think chmod +x name.name
[11:25] <IIIEars> thoreauputic - Everyone has their strong point.   I am really very god at misconfiguring about:config in firefox - grin
[11:25] <thoreauputic> mpmc: that is almost certainly a bad idea
[11:26] <mpmc> Why?
[11:26] <theD3viL> couse hackers.
[11:26] <mpmc> I want to be able to write to /var/www/
[11:26] <thoreauputic> mpmc: there is usually a good reason for default permissions
[11:26] <ToRTuReD_X> ubuntu auto makes the partitions right?
[11:26] <mpmc> X: yes
[11:26] <IIIEars> yes
[11:27] <ToRTuReD_X> cool
[11:27] <theD3viL> ToRTuReD_X, yes but you can change it manual
[11:27] <ToRTuReD_X> be back later if all goes well
[11:27] <ToRTuReD_X> other wise seeyas tonight
[11:27] <ToRTuReD_X> XD
[11:27] <theD3viL> k
[11:27] <poningru> IIIEars: http://kb.mozillazine.org/About:config_entries
[11:27] <IIIEars> G'nite :)
[11:27] <thoreauputic> mpmc: you don't need to: just use ~/public_html - apache is configured to use that by default I believe
[11:27] <poningru> add if you know the unkonwn ones
[11:27] <mpmc> I know..
[11:27] <mpmc> but it's annoying typing in http://mpmc.hn.org/~mpmc/ :P
[11:28] <IIIEars> poningru - heh - been there. - you gotta read at least one howto to be inspired at misconfiguration.
[11:28] <poningru> hehe
[11:28] <mpmc> Bandwidth hogs!
[11:28] <theD3viL> how can i enable mouse4 and mouse5, i must have theese buttons for surfing!
[11:28] <mpmc> I had 50 requests :@
[11:29] <IIIEars> !mouse
[11:29] <ubotu> well, mouse is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntellimouseMousemanBackForwardButtons
[11:29] <IIIEars> did that help?
[11:29] <mpmc> !mpd
[11:29] <ubotu> mpmc: I give up, what is it?
[11:29] <mpmc> lol
[11:29] <mpmc> !info mpd
[11:29] <ubotu> mpd: (Music Player Daemon, the name says it all), section universe/sound, is optional. Version: 0.11.5-1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 93 kB, Installed size: 316 kB
[11:29] <IIIEars> ubotu you are a genius!
[11:29] <ubotu> I think you lost me on that one, IIIEars
[11:30] <poningru> ubotu kill ubotu
[11:30] <ubotu> poningru: Wish i knew
[11:30] <mpmc> Why I bothered with Fedora, I don't know
[11:30] <poningru> if only everyone felt like you do
[11:30] <lhb> !fedora
[11:30] <ubotu> [fedora]  what you use when you haven't heard of Ubuntu
[11:30] <IIIEars> poningru - you killed the bot?
[11:30] <mpmc> Thats true
[11:30] <poningru> damn straight
[11:30] <IIIEars> why??
[11:31] <mpmc> Fedora.. Is a waste of space...
[11:31] <mpmc> I used 8 cd's on that junk..
[11:31] <IIIEars> Fedora  - 4 CDs and nothing worthwhile installed.
[11:31] <IIIEars> 8 cds now? - wow
[11:31] <ruschi> Virtual consode configuration question: I set up my kernel parameter to vga=ext and it nicely boots with small fonts but during the boot process it suddenly swiches back to the default 80x25 console - this is ugly on a 19" monitor. how can I configure the font of my virtual consoles??
[11:32] <mpmc> no... I had 2 versions 3/4
[11:32] <IIIEars> thoreauputic - we all know the only real linux is tmsrtbt.. - wild grin
[11:33] <IIIEars> << (hugs his ubuntu box)
[11:33] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: yeah, if it doesn't fit on a floppy it's bloated ;)
[11:33] <mpmc> My Friend said Fedora was easy.. |But didn't tell me about Ubuntu... Which I did with my eyes wired shut)  ;)
[11:34] <thoreauputic> ruschi: I think you can use vga codes like vga=791 with grub
[11:34] <mpmc> infact.. I'm stll in pain
[11:34] <poningru> heh I cant wait for some of the things to pan out that are in planning
[11:34] <thoreauputic> but don't quote me ;)
[11:34] <ruschi> o.k. but the console switches back to normal after some time during the boot process
[11:34] <mpmc> Is there anyway I can boost the sound output?
[11:34] <nJess> i need the ndiswrapper source
[11:34] <nJess> sourceforge is down
[11:34] <nJess> does anybody know a mirror?
[11:35] <ruschi> in grub I have vga=ext but it doesn't stay extended mode
[11:35] <mpmc> njess: try freshmeat.net
[11:35] <ruschi> @mpmc: check both pcm and master volume
[11:36] <ruschi> use aumix or kmix or whatever other tool
[11:36] <thoreauputic> ruschi: man stty perhaps ?
[11:36] <valuedcustomer> i'm a noob.  can someone help me with an nvidia driver on 5.04?
[11:36] <ruschi> I'll try
[11:36] <Normal> yellow tabs everywhere :|
[11:36] <thoreauputic> stty - change and print terminal line settings
[11:36] <thoreauputic> ?
[11:36] <EdLin> valuedcustomer, I use nvidia
[11:36] <nJess> there is no mirror there mpmc
[11:36] <mpmc> ruschi: I have but If I put it up to loud, It crackles
[11:37] <mpmc> njess: I know but you might find what your after
[11:37] <nJess> i didn't
[11:37] <valuedcustomer> edlin, the latest drivers?  i can't build the installer.
[11:37] <nJess> sourceforge is down, and i really need this source
[11:37] <mpmc> njessL try google for an aly download
[11:37] <mpmc> alt*
[11:37] <nJess> i did
[11:37] <nJess> no dice
[11:38] <EdLin> valuedcustomer, Ubuntu has the drivers in its restricted repository, don't download it seperately.
[11:38] <mpmc> ok lol
[11:38] <benplaut> g'night everyone
[11:38] <DukGalNamu> hey, i have had some problems with x... seems that some programs can mess up the graphics card pretty bad, making it impossible to use the computer without restarting..
[11:38] <theD3viL> How to enable DMA?
[11:38] <poningru> !dma
[11:38] <poningru> heh
[11:38] <EdLin> valuedcustomer, just aptitude install nvidia-glx, then run nvidia-glx-config, then control-alt-backspace to restart X
[11:38] <theD3viL> ?
[11:38] <valuedcustomer> i don't know what that means.  i got a driver off of the nvidia site.
[11:38] <mpmc> !php
[11:38] <ubotu> mpmc: No idea
[11:38] <mpmc> !info google
[11:38] <thoreauputic> theD3
[11:38] <thoreauputic> hah
[11:38] <poningru> ubotu: l theD3viL about !dma
[11:38] <ubotu> poningru: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[11:38] <EdLin> valuedcustomer, don't use that...
[11:39] <valuedcustomer> EdLin, i'll try what you say
[11:39] <theD3viL> !dma
[11:39] <theD3viL> ?
[11:39] <theD3viL> aha
[11:39] <DukGalNamu> ,dma
[11:39] <poningru> there you go
[11:39] <IIIEars> nJess - sourceforge is very very slow but it is up.
[11:39] <poningru> um thats not a good quit sign
[11:39] <thoreauputic> theD3viL: usually  sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/XX where XX is for instance hda or hdc etc
[11:39] <mpmc> SF.net might be faster..
[11:39] <DukGalNamu> source fourge was down 0_0
[11:39] <mpmc> doudt it
[11:40] <mpmc> doubt*
[11:40] <theD3viL> thoreauputic, once..or after restart?
[11:40] <nJess> IIIEars, i just got a message saying it was down for maintainance
[11:40] <thoreauputic> theD3viL: edit /etc/hdparm to make it start on boot
[11:40] <poningru> theD3viL: just follow what it says on that page
[11:40] <theD3viL> k
[11:40] <thoreauputic> sorry /etc/hdparm.conf
[11:40] <theD3viL> tnx
[11:41] <DukGalNamu> is there anyway to restart the GPU?
[11:41] <IIIEars> Ah okay - it is transfering data. tho slower than a 9,600kbaud dial up.
[11:41] <DukGalNamu> without restarting the computer?
[11:41] <Jugan> i wanna install gyach in ubuntu but it depends on the 2.6 version of libgtkhtml...and I have 2.4.  How do I upgrade to a higher version?
[11:42] <EdLin> IIIEars, you mean 9600kbps, its only 600 baud. :-)
[11:42] <DukGalNamu> Jugan: use synaptic and look for the latest 2.6 drivers
[11:42] <DukGalNamu> Jugan: for your archetecture of course
[11:43] <IIIEars> Edlin - lol - You are right.
[11:43] <Jugan> DukGalNamu: i tried but i dont see any 2.6
[11:43] <mpmc> How do I get grub to auto load XP?.. not ubuntu?
[11:43] <IIIEars> nJess - is this the file name you wanted? ndiswrapper-1.2.tar.gz - maybe from another site?
[11:43] <DukGalNamu> Jugan: it will be most likely 2.6.11-2 or something
[11:43] <mpmc> my brother... Gah!
[11:44] <nJess> nvm, got it
[11:44] <EdLin> IIIEars, it's amazing how many bps are getting squeazed out of the bandwidth of POTS.
[11:44] <ruschi> stty -a  nicely prints all settings - but stty -F /dev/ttyX  rows 50 says "no such device or address"
[11:44] <daves> anyone able to hlep with importing kmail address book (mandrake 10.0) into thunderbird ?
[11:44] <ruschi> strangely I can lower the number of rows : stty -F /dev/tty1 rows 10 works
[11:45] <IIIEars> Edlin - the new compression and caching systems are making dial-up tolerable. still good for most things
[11:45] <thoreauputic> ruschi: is that literally what you typed, or did you use, say, /dev/tty1 /
[11:45] <valuedcustomer> EdLin, I did what you said, but still not happy.  My resolution is low; I need 1280x1024.
[11:45] <DukGalNamu> jugan select linux image 2.6.xx (xx being 10 or 11)
[11:45] <EdLin> IIIEars, you can't use the new compression and cache stuff under Linux. :-(
[11:45] <mpmc> Does dial up still exist?
[11:45] <djp> !dma
[11:45] <thoreauputic> ruschi: sorry - slow typing + lag
[11:45] <EdLin> mpmc, sure. I'm on it now
[11:45] <mpmc> lol.. dumb question.
[11:46] <theD3viL> hm...how can i now format ntfs partition and make ext3 ?
[11:46] <daves> mpmc: yup i am on it now ...
[11:46] <mpmc> I know.. It was a joke..
[11:46] <ruschi> here is my command: "stty -F /dev/tty1" rows 50 ---> stty: /dev/tty1: No such device or address
[11:46] <IIIEars> Edlin - Hm - Did microsoft erm "adopt" the standard and "borg" it?
[11:46] <ruschi> here is my command: "stty -F /dev/tty1" rows 10 ---> no output and the console only has 10 lines
[11:46] <Jugan> DukGalNamu:  linux image?  Where do i find that?  in Synaptic?
[11:46] <EdLin> IIIEars, I don't know what MS has to do with all of the extra compression dial-up options.
[11:47] <thoreauputic> ruschi: hmm - I have no idea then :/
[11:47] <poningru> guys help out a guy named jentolinux when he comes in here please
[11:47] <poningru> I have to go sleep
[11:47] <DukGalNamu> yes just do a search on 2.6.11
[11:47] <EdLin> IIIEars, actually MS invented PAP, but it managed to be interoperable.
[11:47] <ruschi> me neither  - I think I stop bothering and use xterm :-)
[11:47] <thoreauputic> don't use 2.6.11 - it has known bugs
[11:47] <ruschi> Bye
[11:47] <DukGalNamu> jugan or search directly for linux-image-2.6.11-386
[11:48] <mpmc> Yum rocky choco bar :P
[11:48] <DukGalNamu> Jugan: or apt-get install linux-image-2.6.11-386
[11:48] <daves>  anyone able to hlep with importing kmail address book (mandrake 10.0) into thunderbird ?
[11:48] <thoreauputic> DukGalNamu: no one should use 2.6.11 - it's unsupported and broken
[11:48] <DukGalNamu> Jugan: or apt-get install linux-image-2.6.10-386
[11:48] <DukGalNamu> :P
[11:48] <IIIEars> "" - not a great experience with 2.6.11 :/
[11:49] <DukGalNamu> i was actually thinking of upgrading too
[11:49] <valuedcustomer> do i need to edit xorg.conf manually to get correct monitor resolution?
[11:49] <DukGalNamu> but that would require a restart
[11:49] <DukGalNamu> :P
[11:49] <DukGalNamu> uptime of 33 days now
[11:49] <mpmc> Can I run Wow on Ubuntu?
[11:49] <EdLin> valuedcustomer, try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg first
[11:49] <IIIEars> valuedcustomer - no - unless you want dual monitors
[11:49] <thoreauputic> valuedcustomer: first try  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:50] <mpmc> 33 Days Wow!
[11:50] <DukGalNamu> had it up to 45 when it crashed running diablo...
[11:50] <Jugan> ok dont worry, i got it figured
[11:50] <Jugan> heeheheh
[11:50] <thoreauputic>  19:50:15 up 35 days,  4:09,  1 user,  load average: 0.09, 0.06, 0.04
[11:50] <EdLin> thoreauputic, GMTA
[11:50] <IIIEars> (applauds)
[11:50] <IIIEars> pretty good
[11:50] <mpmc> Heh... I bet that was a lot of electricity used
[11:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> anyone else lost their gettys after upgrading to the modular X?
[11:51] <thoreauputic> EdLin: GMTA ?
[11:51] <valuedcustomer> 'nv' or 'nvidia'?
[11:51] <EdLin> thoreauputic, Great Minds Think Alike
[11:51] <DukGalNamu> Kamping_Kaiser: modular x?
[11:51] <thoreauputic> EdLin: ahah ! :)
[11:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> DukGalNamu: xorg just went modular
[11:51] <EdLin> valuedcustomer, nvidia, if you've installed nvidia-glx
[11:51] <IIIEars> nvidia for the binary from the nvidia site nv works for all bur the most rabid gamer
[11:52] <DukGalNamu> Kamping_Kaiser: is it working?
[11:52] <thoreauputic> EdLin: OTOH, Fools never differ  ;-)
[11:52] <EdLin> IIIEars, you don't need it from the nvidia site, that's what the "restricted" part of Ubuntu provides
[11:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> DukGalNamu: xorg is mostly working (few probs) but i lost my gettys :(
[11:52] <IIIEars> Very true - not worth the effort.
[11:52] <DukGalNamu> Kamping_Kaiser: heh, well i will wait, besides, i got a good irssi uptime
[11:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[11:53] <DukGalNamu>  Irssi uptime: 24d 4h 37m 26s
[11:53] <daves> anyone able to help with importing address books ??
[11:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> DukGalNamu: not bad :o
[11:54] <DukGalNamu> all the addresses i need i keep in my head.... considering its only about 3 or 4 (not sure) i don't bother with any of that
[11:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> daves, address books from where to where?
[11:54] <mpmc> daves: Try google... I'm not sure.
[11:55] <DukGalNamu> Kamping_Kaiser: i feel like everytime i have to quit or restart something that is stable that i loose a part of myself
[11:55] <daves> Kamping_Kaiser / mpmc: kmail (mandrake 10.0 officeal) -> thunderbird
[11:55] <ubuntu64> Wow .... 64 bit does rock
[11:55] <ubuntu64> first boot right now ...
[11:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> kmail :S not sure about what is uses
[11:56] <DukGalNamu> is the 2800+ a 64bit?
[11:56] <ubuntu64> yes
[11:56] <mpmc> daves: try looking for a file..... with your address book.
[11:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> not the xp
[11:56] <DukGalNamu> hmm, then i probably should be using the 64bit kernel i guess....
[11:56] <mpmc> then look on the TB site.
[11:56] <ubuntu64> AMD 2800 64 bit ...
[11:56] <daves> Kamping_Kaiser: kmail uses mbox (me thinks)
[11:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> daves. not sure about what you can do, sorry
[11:57] <DukGalNamu> ubuntu64: hmm, case says amd athalon XP...
[11:57] <EdLin> DukGalNamu, it would mention if it had 64 bits
[11:57] <daves> mmpmc: where do i start ?? i already have tried the aimple names eg addressbook, kontact addressbook
[11:57] <ubuntu64> this is 64 bit ubuntu
[11:58] <valuedcustomer> EdLin, thanks a lot for your help!
[11:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> DukGalNamu: the athon XPs are not 64
[11:58] <jonnnn> hi
[11:58] <mpmc> Woah... Yeah... Well.. My heart id on fire!
[11:58] <EdLin> valuedcustomer, np
[11:58] <nJess> DukGalNamu, there is nothing wrong with athlon xp
[11:58] <nJess> its a decent processor
[11:59] <ubuntu64> how do you pull the info from chat
[11:59] <nJess> cpu[1 x AMD Athlon XP 3200+ (Barton) @ 2.19 GHz w/ 512 KB L2 Cache] 
[11:59] <nJess> see?
[11:59] <EdLin> DukGalNamu, don't feel bad, I have a P4 1.7GHz and its more than fast enough for most applications
[11:59] <jonnnn> is it possible to change text in menus e,g Applications--->office---openoffice.org workprocessor?
[11:59] <DukGalNamu> i am thinking the 3000+ with 2ghz FSB and of course 64 bit
[11:59] <daves> Kamping_Kaiser: well thanx for trying. tried looking under home/daves/.mail/daves/cur
[11:59] <DukGalNamu> wait no
[11:59] <DukGalNamu> 3200+
[11:59] <DukGalNamu> not 3000
[11:59] <Ferrara> i've downloaded a bin file , how do i open it ?
[11:59] <jonnnn> I want to change the last entry openoffice.org with something like "Word" etc
[11:59] <EdLin> DukGalNamu, still a fast 32 bit chip, not 64.
[12:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> Ferrara: set it's permisions to execute and double click
[12:00] <DukGalNamu> EdLin: true, it outporforms most computers, even when it was using windoze
[12:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> Ferrara: what's it a bin for?
[12:00] <azik> Hello. How can I get antialiasing fonts in gtk1.2 applications, like xmms or mplayer?
[12:00] <sexcopter8000m> in windows i was used to holding alt and typing in a number on the keypad to get special characters (accents etc)... how can i do something similar in ubuntu?
[12:00] <DukGalNamu> EdLin: now it FLYS!!!
[12:01] <mjr> sexcopter8000m, most gtk/gnome software allows you to type hex codes in with shift-ctrl
[12:01] <EdLin> azik, you can't
[12:01] <Ferrara> Kamping_Kaiser,  i've downloaded a movie DVDrip but he is on format bin
[12:01] <DukGalNamu> EdLin: but fast enough isn't fast enough :P
[12:01] <sexcopter8000m> nice, it works :)
[12:01] <DukGalNamu> EdLin: i am a power freak
[12:01] <azik> Edlin, why not?
[12:01] <sexcopter8000m> but the codes are different... maybe before it was octal or sommat
[12:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> Ferrara: oh, bin as in cd image?
[12:02] <chiisai> Err, well... I made a tar archive out of my gentoo installation, right. (tar -cf lust-28-07-05.tar / --preserve-permissions --one-file-system) That created a huge tar archive (7.2 GB), so I thought everything was ok. I formatted, created my partitions and put the archive in /. However unpacking it fails of some sort. (tar -xf lust-28-07-05.tar) The resulting data is... 280 MB or something like that, and usr is apparently missing. What am I d
[12:02] <chiisai> oing wrong? The archive is quite big, so I'm sure all my data is in there. How do I extract it? tar gives no error messages.
[12:02] <Ferrara> no
[12:02] <EdLin> DukGalNamu, I don't have the money to buy a new computer when I don't need one.
[12:02] <ubuntu64> how the heck to high level format my boot sector on my harddrive ...
[12:02] <theD3viL> Can i turn OFF animations in gnome???
[12:02] <Ferrara> theres no way to watch the movie on bin format ?
[12:02] <mjr> sexcopter8000m, windows uses decimal
[12:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> Ferrara: try mplayer
[12:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> bbl
[12:02] <EdLin> azik, because it was written before antialiasing X was available or common.
[12:02] <Ferrara> i use xine
[12:02] <chiisai> Ferrara, mplayer plays img/bin fine.
[12:02] <sexcopter8000m> ah, ok
[12:03] <AMCDeathKnight> How can I install a GBA Emulator on linux?
[12:03] <DukGalNamu> EdLin: me neither, but i can build a sweet machine for next to nothing (comparativly) since i have wholsale sources
[12:03] <ubuntu64> well had to test the system... now to deal with my stinking harddrive ...
[12:03] <azik> EdLin, ah, thanks, it's a good reason :)
[12:03] <sexcopter8000m> so is there a convenient reference table for hex codes?
[12:03] <EdLin> DukGalNamu, lucky. :-)
[12:04] <anacron> AMCDeathKnight: i installed it with apt-get, sorry i don't remember the name, but you can search it with apt-cache search gba
[12:04] <mjr> sexcopter8000m, well, man latin1 gives the first FF
[12:04] <EdLin> azik, if you want to run something similar to xbox with gtk2 get beep-media-player.
[12:04] <DukGalNamu> i could build an athalon 3200+ 2ghz fsb 1G ram 200G hd dual layer dvd-rw for about 750
[12:04] <mjr> sexcopter8000m, then there's the unicode character map (gucharmap)
[12:04] <EdLin> s/xbox/xmms
[12:04] <AMCDeathKnight> ok
[12:04] <mjr> correction: man ascii and man latin1 together give the first FF
[12:05] <azik> Edlin, ok, thanks :)
[12:05] <sexcopter8000m> ah, that's cool, thanks :)
[12:05] <azik> apt-cache search xbox... not found.. :P
[12:05] <DukGalNamu> ...
[12:05] <EdLin> azik, note my correction. xmms
[12:05] <azik> EdLin yes
[12:06] <DukGalNamu> EdLin: the onlything that costs about the same as retail are GPUs
[12:06] <DukGalNamu> EdLin: markup is at BEST $30
[12:06] <DukGalNamu> EdLin: and thats for the expensive ones...
[12:07] <DukGalNamu> EdLin: the cheap ones have nearly %100 markup
[12:07] <EdLin> DukGalNamu, I'm still running the TNT2 M64 that came with my computer
[12:07] <sJaM> chiisai, --preserve permission only has effect with extracting
[12:07] <DukGalNamu> EdLin: ...
[12:07] <sJaM> chiisai, if you open it in Archive Mangaer what do you see
[12:07] <DukGalNamu> EdLin: thats... sad
[12:08] <EdLin> DukGalNamu, why? I don't do any serious gaming.
[12:08] <DukGalNamu> EdLin: but i am not much better
[12:08] <DukGalNamu> EdLin: i got a ATI 9800 pro
[12:09] <DukGalNamu> EdLin: it don't matter if you do gamming or not, its about the overall power
[12:09] <DukGalNamu> teh GPU relieves FPS from the cpu, so you can have faster compilations
[12:10] <DukGalNamu> and such
[12:10] <EdLin> yeah, I need to draw my firefox window with lightning speed. ;-)
[12:10] <DukGalNamu> EdLin: thats the right thinking :P
[12:10] <EdLin> I wouldn't want drawing my xchat screen to slow down my toy program compilations. ;-)
[12:10] <ToRTuReD_X> hey guys
[12:10] <ToRTuReD_X> got it installed
[12:10] <ToRTuReD_X> ;D
[12:11] <DukGalNamu> EdLin: heheh, well, there aint nothing like a little command line irc clients
[12:11] <EdLin> DukGalNamu, true, irssi is nice.
[12:12] <DukGalNamu> EdLin: but if you are using the see through function of aterm you probably are sucking up some energy
[12:12] <DukGalNamu> EdLin: out of the cpu
[12:12] <chiisai> sJaM, bin boot dev etc lib mnt opt proc sys
[12:12] <chiisai> sJaM, which is everything that gets extracted
[12:13] <DukGalNamu> EdLin: not much for a amd or a p4 3.0
[12:13] <DukGalNamu> dang its late!!! i got to hit the hay
[12:13] <DukGalNamu> c ya guys later
[12:13] <EdLin> DukGalNamu, night
[12:13] <chiisai> sJaM: So usr and var isn't found by tar/Archive Manager... I'll probably have to try finding some sort of program that can fix corrupt tar archives :\
[12:14] <Raptoid> selamlar.
[12:16] <dimitris> I have a problem keeping gaim minimized. Everytime i log in the main window just pops up.
[12:16] <Kelju-Ilpo> Simple question: I get only "GRUB loading" and Error 22 when starting my computer. Usually I got to screen where I could choose which operation system I will run?
[12:16] <sJaM> chiisai, did you had var and usr on a different partition then ?
[12:17] <sJaM> Error 22 No such partition
[12:17] <chiisai> sJaM, no
[12:17] <sJaM> Kelju-Ilpo,
[12:17] <Kelju-Ilpo> ?
[12:18] <sJaM>      This error is returned if a partition is requested in the device
[12:18] <sJaM>      part of a device- or full file name which isn't on the selected
[12:18] <sJaM>      disk.
[12:18] <chiisai> And the archive is like 7.2 GB, so I'm pretty sure it's included, but it can't find it when opening the archive
[12:18] <sJaM> strange
[12:18] <chiisai> yeah
[12:19] <chiisai> I'm looking for some sort of repair utility for TAR files :\
[12:19] <sJaM> if you extract
[12:19] <sJaM> what is the filesize
[12:19] <sJaM> of the files that do extract
[12:19] <sJaM> ?
[12:19] <chiisai> 11542 items, totalling 278.8 MB
[12:19] <sJaM> if you do a tar --list
[12:19] <unreal> hmm, what would be the usual ftpd of choice for ubuntu?
[12:19] <sJaM> does /var or /usr show up in the list
[12:20] <chiisai> nope
[12:20] <sJaM> (you better pipe it to less)
[12:20] <chiisai> err
[12:20] <chiisai> wait
[12:20] <sJaM> proftpd unreal
[12:20] <sJaM> or vsftpd
[12:20] <unreal> cheers :)
[12:20] <James-C> or wu-ftpd
[12:20] <sJaM> I like proftpd better, easy to configure
[12:20] <sJaM> but it is just a matter of preference
[12:20] <Kelju-Ilpo> So, is there any chance to me to even get to windows, and maybe re-install Ubuntu?
[12:21] <sJaM> did you change anything to partitions Kelju-Ilpo ?
[12:21] <sJaM> because you state that it worked before didn't it ?
[12:21] <Kelju-Ilpo> yes, I tried to increase size of the linux paritition with Partition Magic 8.0
[12:21] <sJaM> ah
[12:22] <sJaM> did you add a partition
[12:22] <sJaM> between it
[12:22] <sJaM> remove one
[12:22] <Kelju-Ilpo> no
[12:22] <MyNameIsChris> Hi, not an Ubuntu user but I just thought that, for some reason, you folks might like to know that a friend and I managed to distribute 37 Ubuntu CDs at school today
[12:22] <Kelju-Ilpo> I used unallocated space
[12:22] <MyNameIsChris> People seemed interested
[12:22] <sJaM> can you mount the paritions with the live cd ?
[12:22] <Kelju-Ilpo> I'll try...
[12:23] <sJaM> was the unallocated space at the end?
[12:24] <Kelju-Ilpo> hmm.. I removed one windows partition and used that space, so I guess the answer is no
[12:26] <sJaM> well grub can't find the partition it used to find before
[12:26] <Kelju-Ilpo> I'm just thinking that there should be unaffected windows there, but how could I get there.. Because it cant find the linux partition, I cant get to windows either
[12:26] <sJaM> are you now on a linux live cd ?
[12:26] <Kelju-Ilpo> yes
[12:27] <sJaM> could you dump in a pastebin
[12:27] <EdLin> Kelju-Ilpo, try booting from a rescue cd/floppy
[12:27] <sJaM> your /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:27] <sJaM> that can you do also
[12:27] <sJaM> but he is already in linux
[12:27] <thr1ce> chroot is your friend
[12:28] <chiisai> tar --list takes forever :\
[12:28] <sJaM> hehe
[12:28] <chiisai> I'm not even sure if it's working
[12:28] <sJaM> you should redirect the output to a file
[12:28] <chiisai> At maaaay be taking a nap or something
[12:28] <chiisai> I'm doing that
[12:28] <sJaM> oh ok
[12:29] <sJaM> you can grep it now
[12:29] <sJaM> grep /usr file
[12:29] <chiisai> err
[12:29] <chiisai> Heh, the file is empty
[12:30] <chiisai> But it's probably still reading it or something?
[12:30] <sJaM> well the --list
[12:30] <sJaM> just read the tar
[12:30] <sJaM> but instead of extracting it display the name
[12:30] <sJaM> but it takes the same time to do the job
[12:31] <chiisai> tar -t lust-28-07-05.tar is what I did
[12:31] <sJaM> euhm
[12:31] <shawarma> chiisai: Oh, that's never gonna finish.
[12:31] <sJaM> you forget the -f
[12:31] <chiisai> The file is empty, and apparently the CPU isn't doing anything
[12:31] <chiisai> oh.. x.x
[12:31] <sJaM> it is waiting for stdin
[12:31] <sJaM> now
[12:31] <shawarma> chiisai: That one is going to look through the tar file it expects to get from stdin and output if it finds a file called lust-28-07-05.tar
[12:32] <chiisai> oh.
[12:32] <chiisai> So how exactly do I do this then?
[12:32] <shawarma> chiisai: tar -tf lust-28-07-05.tar
[12:32] <sJaM> tar --list --file=lust-28-07-05.tar
[12:32] <chiisai> root@ubuntu:/mnt/gentoo # tar -ft lust-28-07-05.tar > filelist
[12:32] <chiisai> tar: You must specify one of the `-Acdtrux' options
[12:32] <shawarma> chiisai: Unless otherwise stated, tar always expects to get its input from stdin.
[12:33] <sJaM> first t
[12:33] <shawarma> chiisai: tar tf lust-28-07-05.tar
[12:33] <sJaM> then f
[12:33] <chiisai> sJaMs command worked
[12:33] <sJaM> or my method
[12:33] <chiisai> oh, even that matters?
[12:33] <sJaM> yes
[12:33] <sJaM> it expects first an action
[12:33] <sJaM> then the options
[12:33] <sJaM> unless you use the GNU option style
[12:33] <shawarma> chiisai: Yes. tar is a bit special that way. Most commands don't care in which order you give it the options.
[12:34] <Goek> hey i've just installed wolfenstein et - i installed it as superuser but when i try to execute it it changes the resolution and gives me a blackscreen - if i surf a little to the side i can see the console where i started it, and it's frozen or stopped or still thinking and the "Sound initialization"
[12:34] <chiisai> cat filelist | grep usr/
[12:34] <chiisai> no output
[12:34] <sJaM> or
[12:34] <sJaM> grep /usr filelist
[12:34] <Goek> can any1 help me or know ehre to get help
[12:34] <sJaM> that can be Goek
[12:34] <sJaM> you need to change the esd settings I guess
[12:35] <shawarma> Goek: Do you have access to a terminal on the machine?
[12:35] <loucomballa> Why does Ubuntu remove such packs as mysql-server mutt or bugzilla when removing the postfix package? Isn't it weird? The same happened last week when removing hula also removed mysql-server!
[12:35] <Goek> acces to a terminal?
[12:35] <Goek> sJaM,  whats the esd settings?
[12:36] <Goek> i've heard when i set up the sound output in the start of my ubuntu-adventure(yesterday)
[12:36] <shawarma> Goek: Try running 'killall esd'. It'll kill your sound server which has control over the audio device. The game hangs because it's waiting for the audio device to become availabe.
[12:36] <Goek> i'll try that
[12:36] <sJaM> well esd makes multiple sounds possible
[12:36] <sJaM> but Wolfenstein doesn't support it
[12:37] <sJaM> so just follow shawarma directions
[12:37] <sJaM> I be away eating
[12:37] <Goek> same problem
[12:37] <shawarma> sJaM: Right. I really think we should add the -as options to /etc/esd/esd.conf per default.
[12:37] <shawarma> Goek: It still hangs?
[12:37] <Goek> yeah, still hangs after killall esd
[12:38] <shawarma> loucomballa: All of those things rely on having some sort of MTA available. postfix, exim and hula all provide an MTA. When you remove the last MTA, all the stuff that needs one are going to be removed as well.
[12:39] <shawarma> Goek: Hmm... That was my only guess with the amount of info I have available..
[12:39] <Goek> ok
[12:39] <Goek> thanks anyway
[12:40] <nothingsometing> can someone help me, i am a new bie and i have a drive that i formated that i can't get to show up on computer:///
[12:40] <nothingsometing> but the drive mounts
[12:40] <nothingsometing> i don't understand
[12:41] <loucomballa> shawarma, OK i understand that but...mysql-server?
[12:41] <nothingsometing> bob2 hellow
[12:41] <shawarma> loucomballa: mysql-server depends on debconf, which in turn depends on an MTA.
[12:41] <nothingsometing> can someone help me??
[12:41] <geppy> How can I use dd over the network?  I would like to make an image of a hard drive using an Ubuntu LiveCD, and put the image onto another computer, running Ubuntu Hoary.
[12:41] <nothingsometing> can someone help me, i am a new bie and i have a drive that i formated that i can't get to show up on computer:///
[12:42] <shawarma> nothingsometing: It needs to be mounted.
[12:42] <loucomballa> I see
[12:42] <nothingsometing> it is mounted
[12:42] <shawarma> nothingsometing: I see. How did you mount it?
[12:43] <nothingsometing> i know cause i opened fstab and saw the location and wen't there and put files and souch in it
[12:43] <nothingsometing> i wen't in terminal and typed mount/hdb1
[12:43] <nothingsometing> and it didn't give me any errors
[12:44] <nothingsometing> then i ddi all of that jaz i told you about b4
[12:44] <bmonnens> nothingsometing, do df -h in terminal
[12:44] <bmonnens> what do you see?
[12:44] <nothingsometing> ok
[12:45] <nothingsometing> um
[12:45] <nothingsometing> go to flood
[12:45] <nothingsometing> i'll paste there
[12:45] <nothingsometing> ok
[12:46] <bmonnens> i'm there
[12:46] <nothingsometing> you there yet
[12:46] <nothingsometing> ok
[12:47] <bmonnens> nothingsometing, there is no hdb1 entry in there, so your drive isn't mounted
[12:48] <nothingsometing> your evedently right , but why no errors
[12:48] <djp> how do i close a program that has totally hung? i am using gnome under hoary by the way.
[12:48] <bmonnens> dunno, you should do somehting like mount /dev/hdb1 /media/mynewdrive
[12:48] <nothingsometing> my mount point in fstab is /mnt/storage
[12:49] <nothingsometing> wait
[12:49] <nothingsometing> what does that do
[12:49] <bmonnens> mount the device /dev/hdb1 to /media/mynewdrive
[12:49] <skalpel> what is the best antivirus software for ubuntu?
[12:49] <bmonnens> or in your case it would be /dev/hdb1 /mnt/storage
[12:49] <nothingsometing> do i need to create the folders and such
[12:49] <chiisai> Uh, you don't need antivirus software when you're using Linux
[12:50] <nothingsometing> yeah true
[12:50] <skalpel> really. that is interesting
[12:50] <skalpel> why not?
[12:50] <bmonnens> but you're sure that the device is at /dev/hdb1?
[12:50] <nothingsometing> because virus's aren't trgeted tward lunix
[12:50] <chiisai> Because viruses and trojans are targeted against Windows systems all the time
[12:50] <skalpel> you mean that literally?
[12:50] <skalpel> no virii for linux.
[12:50] <skalpel> excellent
[12:50] <chiisai> Yeah.
[12:51] <nothingsometing> and if someone wants to send you a virus the virus blocker won't atch it because it's probbally home made
[12:51] <azik> chiisai, i thint that a antivirus to scan mailboxes it's interisting in a mail server
[12:51] <azik> or on storage server
[12:51] <chiisai> azik, sure. And if you want to scan a Windows partition while running Linux
[12:51] <nothingsometing> bmonnens  yeah i'm sure
[12:51] <nothingsometing> go to flood i'll show you my fstam
[12:52] <nothingsometing> fstab i'm SURE it's a problem with that
[12:53] <nothingsometing> because it was giving me errors b4 i noticed that fstab was still saying that my drive was still in ntfs and i had turned it to ext3
[12:53] <nothingsometing> so i kinda edited it
[12:53] <nothingsometing> but not b4 i copyed what it was b4
[12:54] <azik> chiisai, yes, too
[12:54] <nothingsometing> are you going to flood again ??
[12:54] <geppy> How can I set up and mount a network share?
[12:54] <geppy> I need to be able to mount it somewhere like "/mnt"
[12:54] <bmonnens> nothingsometing, in flood my fstab
[12:55] <nothingsometing> here's mine
[12:55] <nothingsometing> do you see what i was trying to do
[12:56] <nothingsometing> i knida just copied the settings that was working for the other drive that was ext3 to my other drive that was ext3
[12:57] <bimberi> geppy: Hopefully this'll help you - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[12:57] <geppy> bimberi: Thanks!
[12:57] <bimberi> geppy: yw :)
[12:57] <bmonnens> nothingsometing, your missing a 0 at the end in your past?
[12:58] <bmonnens> or isn't it there?
[12:59] <bmonnens> btw just do a mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/storage in terminal as root
[12:59] <bmonnens> and then do a df -h
[12:59] <bmonnens> is the entry then there?
[12:59] <concept10> My resolution never returns to default after exiting a enemy territory mode, any suggestions?
[01:00] <Alban-P> salut
[01:01] <Alban-P> s'il vous plait, j'ai un petit problme avec ubuntu, je peux vous demader de l'aide ?
[01:01] <nothingsometing> i just copyed one of yours
[01:01] <[adw] > to admin wireless card in console, the command is iwconfig right?
[01:02] <nothingsometing> in past what does you2 #2 mean
[01:02] <nothingsometing> your*
[01:02] <nothingsometing> in hda2
[01:04] <highvolt1ge> [adw] : yes
[01:04] <highvolt1ge> [adw] : iwconfig key s:mykey essid mynetwork
[01:05] <thoreauputic> Alban-P: peut etre plus facile ->>   /join #ubuntu-fr
[01:05] <Alban-P> mdr, dsl
[01:05] <Alban-P> mal rveill :)
[01:05] <Alban-P> bye all :)
[01:06] <[adw] > highvolt1ge: thanks:)
[01:06] <nothingsometing> are you there still???
[01:09] <Hawkeye> dang, after the update of firefox to 1.0.6 in warty, epiphany doesn't show the menu when rightclicking on a page, nor does it open new tabs when middleclicking on URL's
[01:09] <nothingsometing> i still am haveing that problem .....it won't list the drive in "computer"
[01:10] <bmonnens> nothingsometing, sorry got to go
[01:10] <Hawkeye> strange that ubuntu released both 1.7.10 and 1.0.6 packages of mozilla and firefox respectively, as they're supposed to hold binary compatibility during security updates
[01:10] <bimberi> nothingsometing: did you try "sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/storage"?
[01:10] <bmonnens> may help you
[01:11] <nothingsometing> i'm in root
[01:11] <bimberi> nothingsometing: cut the "sudo" then :)
[01:11] <j2dope> hi. my dell laptop has a scroll pad area on it's touchpad. it's great for browsing sites and such. is there a way to have this work on ubuntu?
[01:11] <nothingsometing> it's mounted now
[01:11] <nothingsometing> just can't see it in computer
[01:11] <nothingsometing> cause i typed that
[01:12] <skalpel> can someone tell me what the cause of failed dcc file transfers usually is?
[01:12] <thoreauputic> Hawkeye: maybe they got sick of all the "why doesn't Ubuntu have up-to-date stuff?" questions (like me) :/
[01:12] <nothingsometing> i typed that thing in that you told me
[01:12] <nothingsometing> can you help
[01:12] <bimberi> nothingsometing: so it appears in "df -h" now?
[01:13] <cyberix> What would be the easiest way to decompres a rar archive that is in multiple files? .rar .r00 .r01 etc...
[01:13] <thoreauputic> skalpel: are you behind NAT ? using a proxy maybe?
[01:13] <nothingsometing> yes it does
[01:13] <cyberix> Unrar doesn't seem to work.
[01:13] <Hawkeye> thoreauputic: myes, but one should run sid, gentoo or rawhide then, and not a stable distribution like warty. You see what happens when they break binary compatibility by shipping newer packagas than the one the distro shipped with
[01:13] <cyberix> Neither the gnome archivemanager
[01:13] <Hawkeye> especially with such important packages like firefox, where a lot of applications (epiphany, galeon) link with. Either they update all packages at once, or they simply hold binary compatibility
[01:14] <nothingsometing> it is in flood
[01:14] <nothingsometing> c - p
[01:14] <thoreauputic> Hawkeye: i agree with you - i was just comenting on the tedium we had to put up with when it was every second question: "OMG why can't I have the new Firefox?"
[01:14] <Hawkeye> granted, that might be a bit too harsh, as some security bugs are very hard to fix on old versions, but still
[01:14] <bmonnens> nothingsometing, then goto /mnt/storage
[01:14] <skalpel> thoreaputic: what is NAT?
[01:15] <bmonnens> something came, so i'm back :)
[01:15] <bimberi> nothingsometing: k - but still not appearing in Places -> Computer ?
[01:15] <MartenH> There is a lot of packages that can't be authenticated, is that anything to worry about or are they simply missing their checksum?
[01:15] <skalpel> i dont believe i am on a proxy.
[01:15] <thoreauputic> skalpel: internet connection sharing, Network Address Translation
[01:15] <j2dope> hi. my dell laptop has a scroll pad area on it's touchpad. it's great for browsing sites and such. is there a way to have this work on ubuntu?
[01:15] <skalpel> i have never even heard of that =)
[01:15] <cyberix> Probably rar-package from multiverse then.
[01:15] <skalpel> thoreaputic: want to explain it to me?
[01:15] <Hawkeye> hmm, I wonder if I should file a bug report on the broken epiphany and galeon packages due to the updated firefox package... Checking the mailing list first to see if any of the devs dropped that they would be rebuilding all packages and gradually releasing them through the security updates channel
[01:16] <nothingsometing> yes
[01:16] <thoreauputic> skalpel: try setting xchat toget your IP from the server and see if that helps
[01:16] <skalpel> ok
[01:16] <nothingsometing> i can acesses mnt/storage
[01:16] <rick_> hi
[01:16] <nothingsometing> but it's still not in computer as a drive
[01:16] <thoreauputic> Hawkeye: your galeon is broken? In what way? Mine appears OK
[01:16] <rick_> is there any tool for fast changing of screenresolution available fr ubuntu ?
[01:17] <nothingsometing> and right bimberi
[01:17] <Hawkeye> thoreauputic: epiphany is, it doesn't show the context menu when right clicking in a page, nor does it open up a link in a new tab when middle clicking
[01:17] <nothingsometing> it's confuseing me
[01:17] <nothingsometing> it is
[01:17] <Hawkeye> note that I'm running warty, not hoary
[01:17] <thoreauputic> Hawkeye: hmm.. I see
[01:17] <thoreauputic> ah, warty OK - I have Hoary
[01:18] <Hawkeye> I haven't tested galeon yet actually, but I guess that it must be broken too somehow, as a leap from firefox 0.9.3 to 1.0.6 is pretty steep from the API standpoint
[01:18] <skalpel> how do i portscan an ip?
[01:18] <Hawkeye> man nmap
[01:18] <bimberi> nothingsometing: k - bear with me ...
[01:18] <thoreauputic> Hawkeye: why warty? Hoary has been rock solid for me
[01:18] <rick_> does anyone know the ET problem ?
[01:19] <nothingsometing> would you like to see my fstab again bimberi?
[01:19] <Hawkeye> thoreauputic: I get that question a lot, but basicly, when a system works for me, I want to keep it that way for quite a while. This warty setup is tweaked inside out, and I don't feel like loosing a day to do that with hoary
[01:19] <bimberi> nothingsometing: no, not yet, I'm experimenting with mount options
[01:19] <thoreauputic> Hawkeye: I understand
[01:20] <Hawkeye> I'm mostly using the computer for java development, browsing and e-mail, so the packages that come with warty are more than sufficient for me
[01:20] <nothingsometing> ooh ok
[01:20] <rick_> ic that here is nothing zu expect ich will ask some guys they have the knowledge about it cya
[01:21] <julo> hi
[01:21] <Hawkeye> that's why I'm a bit upset about the breakage of epiphany (my prefered browser) due to the unforseen API breaking update of firefox. Such a thing is normal if you run sid or a state of the art gentoo system, but not when you've been using warty for almost a year without a hitch
[01:22] <bmonnens> nothingsometing, I'm not quit sure but I think the My computer in ubuntu doesn't necesarrely have anything to do with the /etc/fstab
[01:22] <julo> how about efault to desktop == home in ubuntu ? It would be a good way to test it, fix the problems, and maybe later have it in upstream GNOME ?
[01:22] <Hawkeye> note that I *do* understand people that want to live on the edge on the package department. It can be fun if you have the time to work around bugs and quirks like that, but when one uses warty, it's supposed to stay the same system so you can be sure no apps break unexpectedly
[01:22] <thoreauputic> Hawkeye: might be worth a bug report then - I agree it shouldn't happen
[01:23] <nothingsometing> that's what i'm thinking
[01:23] <thoreauputic> Hawkeye: I wonder if an update to Epiphany would be the answer?
[01:23] <nothingsometing> it must be something else
[01:23] <nothingsometing> but what could it be
[01:23] <bimberi> nothingsometing: I think it's a mount option but can't find it - still looking tho :)
[01:24] <Hawkeye> thoreauputic: sure, if epiphany is recompiled agains the new firefox sources, everything will work just the way it was
[01:24] <thoreauputic> Hawkeye: hopefully that's what they will do
[01:24] <thoreauputic> since they updated the others...
[01:25] <Hawkeye> the problem is: the version of epiphany shipped with warty is 1.4.4. It probably won't compile agains firefox 1.0.6, necessitating an updated epiphany package (1.6.0 for example). That opens up yet another can of worms, as that may introduce new bugs, changed functionality, etc. This isn't something that should be done on a stable system
[01:25] <nothingsometing> you m/f not that it matters
[01:26] <Hawkeye> if you run a binary system that's guaranteed to stay binary compatible, updating to new packages to fix a security leak is a big no no
[01:26] <thoreauputic> Hawkeye: right - I'm a bit mystified as to whay they did this, frankly, other than to avoid PR problems
[01:26] <thoreauputic> *why
[01:27] <Hawkeye> but, that fixes the problem for the masses that moan for the latest and gratest packages, but gets me into problems when suddenly, after an apt-get dist-upgrade, packages break unexpectidly that had been running fine for almost a year
[01:27] <bimberi> nothingsometing: "m/f"???
[01:27] <thoreauputic> Hawkeye: yeah - debian wouldn't do this, I'm sure
[01:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> anyone else missing glxgears? i just discovered i don't have it
[01:28] <nothingsometing> nevermind .....it means male or female but like i said i don't need to know
[01:28] <Hawkeye> they should set their priorities straight: either you run a binary distribution that breaks sometimes and always offers the latest packages, or either you release a binary distribution that stays stable for it's lifetime. I was under the impression that warty was such a stable system, but suddenly, after almost a year, they start breaking random apps through their updates
[01:28] <nothingsometing> that's just me being verry bored
[01:28] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: all present and correct here
[01:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. ok tahnks thoreauputic
[01:29] <Hawkeye> exactly, there's a distro for every user: if you want fast updating systems, get gentoo or sid, if you want something stable with good, long support, get ubuntu warty/hoary. Up until today :/
[01:29] <nothingsometing> the last time i asked that in here i got bitched at by someone
[01:29] <nothingsometing> haha
[01:30] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser:  dpkg -S glxdears >> xbase-clients  package
[01:30] <thoreauputic> *glxgears
[01:31] <bmonnens> m/f can also mean motherf****er
[01:31] <liraz> why is it that ubuntu is unable to maintain compatibility with debian?
[01:31] <thoreauputic> glxdears is the one for Aunt Tilly *g*
[01:31] <liraz> have the developers purposely chosen to stray, i.e packages in ubuntu dont mean they will work in debian
[01:31] <nothingsometing> bmonnens i guess so
[01:31] <thoreauputic> liraz: ubuntu freezes every 6months
[01:31] <nothingsometing> bmonnens
[01:32] <nothingsometing> we still can't quite figure it out
[01:32] <thoreauputic> liraz: sarge therefore is ahead of hoary in some areas
[01:32] <nothingsometing> it's puzeling the both of us
[01:32] <mpmc> maybe they want to make sure it will work correct with the way they have designed it
[01:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> thoreauputic: not found... i didnt find it with locate either
[01:32] <mpmc> !info green
[01:32] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: install xbase-clients
[01:32] <mpmc> !info mp3123
[01:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> thoreauputic: it is installed. that's what's confusing me
[01:33] <mpmc> !info mp123
[01:33] <theine> thoreauputic, but ubuntu freezes sid, not sarge, doesn't it?
[01:33] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: oh I see
[01:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> theine: yes
[01:33] <liraz> thoreauputic, right. but it's the same basic underlying style/structuring of a distro... so learning ubuntu would help me administer a debian system
[01:33] <liraz> ?
[01:33] <thoreauputic> theine: yes, but they are still out of synch
[01:33] <mpmc> Ubuntu Rox0rs
[01:33] <theine> liraz, definately
[01:33] <Hawkeye> hmm, how can you find out what repository a package originated from ?
[01:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> apt-cache show
[01:34] <thoreauputic> liraz: ubuntu is almost identical under the hood , yes
[01:34] <theine> thoreauputic, fair enough
[01:34] <ubuntu> how can i get my files from my hardisks?
[01:34] <thoreauputic> Hawkeye: apt-cache policy <package>
[01:34] <Hawkeye> by parsing the Filename path ? i.e. "main" is the main branch, universe would show "univers" ?
[01:34] <mpmc> Ubuntu has better support :P
[01:34] <larf> hallo
[01:34] <thoreauputic> Hawkeye: see above
[01:34] <mpmc> 8-)
[01:34] <nothingsometing> hi
[01:34] <Hawkeye> thoreauputic: thank you, didn't know that one yet
[01:35] <thoreauputic> :) np
[01:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi larf
[01:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> Ubuntu that question was not very helpfull
[01:35] <thoreauputic> ubuntu: try really hard to be even more vague ;-)
[01:36] <liraz> In linux, firefox seems to run very slowly on many javascript pages. + many plugins/extentions seem to bring it down/slow it
[01:36] <ubuntu> someone speak spnish? i dont speak english
[01:36] <thoreauputic> ah
[01:36] <bmonnens> nothingsometing, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=36361&highlight=computer+adding+entries
[01:36] <MartenH> How do I change the ubuntu splash-screen?
[01:36] <thoreauputic> ubuntu:  /join #ubuntu-es
[01:36] <Random_Sindrom> yo ubuntu
[01:36] <Random_Sindrom> pero abre ubuntu_es
[01:36] <thoreauputic> Random_Sindrom:  #ubuntu-es methinks
[01:36] <Firetech> Why does /sys/block/sda/removable say 0 when /etc/udev/scripts/removable.sh say 1? I want to be able to pmount my external USB drive...
[01:36] <ubuntu> hum, necesito acceder a mis archivos, este es un ubuntu live
[01:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> MartenH: which splash screen?
[01:36] <thoreauputic> not ubuntu_es
[01:37] <MartenH> Kamping_Kaiser: The one shown while logging in (not the loginscreen but the one shown while the desktop is loading)
[01:37] <ubuntu> not ubuntu_es
[01:37] <Random_Sindrom> finger fails
[01:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> MartenH: not sure
[01:38] <MartenH> Kamping_Kaiser: ok. I'm trying to design a "common" look for all of the GUI and the splashscreen kind of throws it of
[01:38] <ubuntu> chau me salgo de esto...
[01:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> MartenH: there's an Ubuntu artwork project, they can probably tell you where everything is
[01:39] <MartenH> ok, ty
[01:39] <mpmc> Is there another GUI such as gnome?
[01:40] <sJaM> hehe
[01:40] <sJaM> yes
[01:40] <sJaM> dozens of them mpmc
[01:40] <bmonnens> nothingsometing, find what you were looking for in there?
[01:40] <mpmc> not kubuntu
[01:40] <sJaM> Fluxbox
[01:40] <mpmc> anything else?
[01:40] <sJaM> Openbox
[01:40] <nothingsometing> bmonnes that is like my problem
[01:40] <sJaM> XFCE
[01:40] <nothingsometing> acept
[01:40] <sJaM> Blackbox
[01:40] <mpmc> somethings thats nice
[01:40] <sJaM> IceWM
[01:40] <theine> FVWM
[01:40] <Arnia> ROX, Enlightenment
[01:41] <sJaM> WindowMaker
[01:41] <thoreauputic> mpmc:  http://xwinman.org
[01:41] <nothingsometing> it's not in the /mnt or /media flder
[01:41] <sJaM> gnome is a Desktop Environment just like kde and XFCE
[01:41] <davro> fluxbox with tabbed applications is nice!
[01:41] <nothingsometing> i'm an idiot
[01:41] <nothingsometing> it is there
[01:41] <nothingsometing> hahaha
[01:41] <nothingsometing> soooo
[01:41] <sJaM> the others are just windows managers
[01:42] <sJaM> so they only provide the managing of windows
[01:42] <sJaM> quite easy
[01:42] <mpmc> I want something like gnome..
[01:42] <mpmc> but different..
[01:42] <sJaM> you have KDE and XFCE
[01:42] <deFrysk> knome
[01:42] <deFrysk> ;p
[01:42] <azik> change the theme
[01:42] <housetier> rox
[01:42] <azik> =)
[01:42] <sJaM> indeed
[01:42] <sJaM> change the theme
[01:43] <mpmc> KDE... doesn't have ESD support
[01:43] <thoreauputic> mpmc: xfce4 is fairly gnome-ish (uses gtk+ a lot)
[01:43] <thoreauputic> mpmc: heh that's not a bug - it's a feature
[01:43] <bmonnens> nothingsometing, so you're problem solved?
[01:43] <liraz> This problem I'm having is not just unique to ubuntu. It is like this in fedora too, firefox is just way slower in linux then in windows(on many javascript pages). and the extentions also just slow it. Is no-one else having this problem??
[01:43] <thoreauputic> mpmc: the KDE sound daemon is artsd
[01:43] <sJaM> try Opera liraz
[01:43] <Neon|idle> it works
[01:44] <Neon|idle> hazaa
[01:44] <Neon|idle> finally online with linux
[01:44] <sJaM> I also have the problem
[01:44] <Random_Sindrom> how do I install another GUI (s)?
[01:44] <Random_Sindrom> just run apt-get?
[01:44] <thoreauputic> Random_Sindrom: yup
[01:44] <mpmc> xfce4 has no ubuntu package!
[01:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> universe
[01:44] <cafuego> !info xfce4
[01:44] <thoreauputic> mpmc: yes - it's in universe
[01:44] <ubotu> xfce4: (The Xfce4 Desktop Environment), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 4.2.1.1-2ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 32 kB
[01:45] <sJaM> Yes it has
[01:45] <nothingsometing> umm
[01:45] <thoreauputic> !repos
[01:45] <mpmc> ok
[01:45] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:45] <liraz> sJaM, I dont like the fact it's not free + adverts
[01:45] <thoreauputic> mpmc: see above
[01:45] <azik> Random_Sindrom, apt-cache search window-manager =), then, apt-get it :)
[01:45] <Random_Sindrom> ok
[01:45] <mpmc> found it!
[01:46] <jean> where am I ?
[01:46] <mpmc> jean: Ubuntu IRC
[01:46] <thoreauputic> jean: lost in cyberspace ;)
[01:47] <jean> what are we doing here ?
[01:47] <mpmc> lol
[01:47] <mpmc> chatting
[01:47] <sJaM> you could also try lynx links, links2 mpc
[01:47] <sJaM> sorry
[01:47] <Random_Sindrom> jean: living' geeks
[01:47] <sJaM> you could also try lynx links, links2 liraz
[01:47] <thoreauputic> jean: your second name is Sartre? *grin*
[01:47] <deFrysk> peaul
[01:47] <jean> i thought I would land in a french irc...
[01:47] <deFrysk> paul
[01:47] <bimberi> nothingsometing: Try a line like this in fstab...
[01:47] <thoreauputic> jean: /join #ubuntu-fr
[01:47] <sJaM> #ubuntu-re
[01:47] <bimberi> nothingsometing: /dev/hdb1 /mnt/storage ext3 defaults,user 0 0
[01:48] <sJaM> #ubuntu-fr
[01:48] <jean> how can i ?
[01:48] <deFrysk>  /j #ubuntu-fr
[01:48] <nothingsometing> ok
[01:48] <thoreauputic> jean: type  /join #ubuntu-fr
[01:48] <sJaM>  /join #ubuntu-fr
[01:48] <jean> thanks
[01:49] <Jugan> i have a question...is there an app for ubuntu that will allow me to create flash animations like macromedia flash?
[01:50] <cafuego> Jugan: None that I've heard of.
[01:50] <cafuego> That, admittedly, isn't saying much.
[01:50] <sJaM> perhaps by using wine (windows emulator)
[01:51] <andy_> i heard you can use mm flash trough wine indeed
[01:52] <Jugan> yeah but i didnt want to use wine
[01:52] <nothingsometing> that didn't work
[01:52] <mpmc> XFCE Is nice but I dont like the bar being at the top
[01:52] <Jugan> im sure there could be one...like there's gimp instead of photoshop
[01:52] <sJaM> well that you can alter also in gnome mpmc
[01:52] <nothingsometing> i'm sorry, really
[01:52] <Jugan> what's XFCE
[01:52] <thoreauputic> Jugan: unfortunately flash is non-free, so ...
[01:52] <sJaM> oh you can alter it also in xfce mpmc
[01:52] <nothingsometing> i even tryed doing this /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart
[01:52] <bmonnens> nothingsometing, so you altered your fstab and rebooted?
[01:52] <thoreauputic> Jugan: a desktop environment
[01:52] <nothingsometing> rebooted
[01:52] <nothingsometing> no
[01:53] <sJaM> altering fstab doesn't need a reboot bmonnens
[01:53] <nothingsometing> unmounted and then mounted the drive .....yes
[01:53] <bimberi> hm - no need to reboot
[01:53] <bmonnens> thnx sJaM didn't know that
[01:53] <sJaM> mount and umount just read at the moment of execution your fstab file
[01:53] <andy_> umount -a and then mount -a
[01:53] <nothingsometing> i thought you never had to reboot ubuntu
[01:54] <sJaM> only if you want to run a different kernel
[01:54] <thoreauputic> bmonnens: broadly speaking, only new kernels and updates to glibc need a reboot
[01:54] <selinium> Hi all, I have tried to reinstall a LAMP system on my machine but it seems to be retaining the previous configuration. How can I make sure it doesn't! :)
[01:54] <selinium> hi thoreauputic!
[01:54] <thoreauputic> selinium: evenin'
[01:54] <sJaM> sudo apt-get --purge remove packagename selinium
[01:55] <sJaM> or in Synamptic Total removal
[01:55] <andy_> evenin? where are you from? here in BE it's 2 pm
[01:55] <nothingsometing> won't let me umount -a
[01:55] <bmonnens> ah k, read the man page, didn't know that :)
[01:55] <thoreauputic> andy_: .au
[01:55] <Earered> Jugan, here is one free software to do flash (in french though): http://www.phildes.com/
[01:55] <thoreauputic> Thu Jul 28 21:55:25 EST 2005
[01:55] <andy_> :)
[01:55] <nothingsometing> says it's doing something
[01:56] <selinium> sJaM: is that the same as Synaptic, i used the mark for complet removal, and it still retained the problem config.
[01:56] <andy_> u can only umount if the partition isn't in use
[01:56] <sJaM> yes I thought so selinium
[01:56] <nothingsometing> i can umount
[01:56] <andy_> no filemanager and so
[01:56] <nothingsometing> but i can't umount -a
[01:56] <sJaM> but trying never hurts
[01:56] <sJaM> and else you can manual delete the config files
[01:56] <andy_> -a is umounting all partitions
[01:57] <sJaM> they are all located in /etc
[01:57] <andy_> or you shoud specify one
[01:57] <sJaM> sudo rm -r /etc/apache
[01:57] <Jugan> Earered: it's ok, i speak french
[01:57] <Jugan> ahahahah
[01:57] <sJaM> sudo rm -r /etc/apache /etc/mysql /etc/php4
[01:57] <bmonnens> nothingsometing, do you have a terminal open or filemanager open that's pointing somewhere in the storage dir?
[01:57] <Seveas> sJaM, /etc/apache2 :)
[01:58] <sJaM> yeah
[01:58] <sJaM> sudo rm -r /etc/apache2 /etc/mysql /etc/php4
[01:58] <sJaM> provided that he uses apache 2
[01:58] <Earered> jugan, then, if this one isn't good for you, you can find others through this french website: http://www.framasoft.net/mot173.html
[01:58] <sJaM> the php team still suggest apache 1
[01:58] <sJaM> ;)
[01:58] <nothingsometing> ummm
[01:59] <nothingsometing> both
[01:59] <nothingsometing> ?
[01:59] <nothingsometing> actually
[02:00] <nothingsometing> i only open filemanager when i want to see if the drive is listed on computer
[02:00] <nothingsometing> if it's not then i close the file manager
[02:00] <bimberi> nothingsometing: paste fstab to #flood again
[02:00] <nothingsometing> but yes i have a root terminal open
[02:00] <nothingsometing> ok
[02:01] <bmonnens> nothingsometing, and it is in the drive?
[02:01] <mpmc> XCFE: not my cup of tea.. anymore?
[02:01] <bmonnens> just goto / and try it then
[02:01] <azik> icewm it's nice
[02:02] <nothingsometing> is what in the drive
[02:02] <sJaM> icewm is boring
[02:02] <nothingsometing> terminal
[02:02] <mpmc> yes it is :P
[02:02] <thoreauputic> mpmc: go look at http://xwinman.org  as I suggested
[02:02] <azik> sJaM, is simple, not boring .. =)
[02:02] <mpmc> ok lol
[02:02] <jowi> hi all
[02:02] <thoreauputic> mpmc: lots of other WMs there
[02:03] <nothingsometing> root@LittleWhiteBox:~ #
[02:03] <mpmc> CDE is nasty!
[02:03] <nothingsometing> that's what i'm ni
[02:03] <sJaM> well it is just like metacity
[02:03] <nothingsometing> in*
[02:03] <sJaM> boring
[02:03] <andy_> just close anything that has any kind of connection with the partition you try to umount
[02:04] <bmonnens> paste the output of umount -a in flood
[02:04] <andy_> media players, terminals... all
[02:04] <nothingsometing> you talking to me right
[02:04] <thoreauputic> mpmc: CDE is kind of ancient history
[02:04] <rob^> CDE is UGLY
[02:04] <mpmc> I noticed... I'll give fluxbox a go...
[02:04] <thoreauputic> rob^: indeed :)
[02:04] <bmonnens> nothingsometing, yes
[02:04] <nothingsometing> is there more than one person doing something with mounting
[02:04] <nothingsometing> ooh
[02:04] <nothingsometing> ok
[02:05] <nothingsometing> do i need to close fstab
[02:05] <Renski> On ubuntu rm doesnt ask wether not you are sure you want to delete file x, and seems to add the -f switch for you. How can I turn it off?
[02:05] <bimberi> nothingsometing: fstab looks good - an entry like that works for me - I'm stumped sorry
[02:05] <azik> sJaM, try enlightenment
[02:05] <matthieu_> i
[02:05] <sJaM> naah
[02:05] <sJaM> gnome suits me
[02:05] <sJaM> no need for advanced slick wm's
[02:05] <Seveas> sJaM, the why do you use gnome :)
[02:05] <Seveas> it's advanced and slick too ;)
[02:06] <sJaM> haha
[02:06] <matthieu_> does anyone help me to install Nv driver plz
[02:06] <sJaM> but not the wm
[02:06] <jowi> mpmc, if you want something minimalistic i would recommend windowlab http://www.nickgravgaard.com/windowlab/
[02:06] <rob^> hey, I gotta do a slide show on Ubuntu using OOo, anyone know where I can get a Ubuntu-flavoured template for OOo Presentation?
[02:06] <Seveas> Renski, alias rm ='rm -i'
[02:06] <mpmc> what about XPDE :P
[02:06] <Seveas> put that line in ~/.bashrc
[02:06] <Seveas> mpmc, XPDE is crap
[02:06] <matthieu_> does anyone help me to install Nv driver plz
[02:07] <Seveas> matthieu_: You can read all about binary-only driver issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:07] <mpmc> ok.. I'll take your word for it
[02:07] <bmonnens> nothingsometing, what does umount -a say?
[02:07] <matthieu_> ok thks
[02:07] <nothingsometing> says it's busy
[02:07] <thoreauputic> Renski: other distros use the rm -i alias sometimes (mandriva for instance)
[02:07] <Renski> ah, so thats default
[02:07] <nothingsometing> root@LittleWhiteBox:~ #  umount -a
[02:07] <nothingsometing> umount: /dev: device is busy
[02:07] <nothingsometing> umount: /: device is busy
[02:08] <thoreauputic> Renski: standard rm is default - yes (no questions >> clobber )  ;-0
[02:08] <nothingsometing> but i can do just umount fine
[02:09] <nothingsometing> ooh dam that's weird
[02:09] <nothingsometing> i'm not even going to say it
[02:09] <nothingsometing> it's just too weird
[02:10] <bmonnens> ?
[02:10] <mpmc> Fluxbox is a bit erm... empty...
[02:10] <mpmc> whats that site again?
[02:10] <nothingsometing> bmonnens ........go to flood
[02:10] <nothingsometing> pls
[02:11] <nothingsometing> can you explain this
[02:11] <nothingsometing> it's tooooo weird
[02:11] <thoreauputic> mpmc:  http://xwinman.org  ?
[02:11] <mpmc> thx
[02:11] <Random_Sindrom> enlighment looks fine...any odds?
[02:12] <nothingsometing> that's what i did in terminal
[02:12] <nothingsometing> with umount -a
[02:12] <azik> it's there something like "minimize to tray" in gnome?
[02:13] <Burgundavia> azik, depends on the application
[02:13] <Burgundavia> azik, just like in windows
[02:13] <nothingsometing> i belive all computers are posessed and that i am an excorsist
[02:13] <Sionide> anyone know a way of getting ubuntu to run on a 486?
[02:13] <nothingsometing> hahaha
[02:13] <mjr> Sionide, it doesn't?
[02:13] <Sionide> azik, google for alltray
[02:13] <Sionide> well, i'm not trying myself - but i know a guy who is
[02:14] <sJaM> use debian Sionide
[02:14] <bmonnens> nothingsometing, in flood is manual entry for mount -a
[02:14] <sJaM> or DSL (Damn Small Linux)
[02:14] <bmonnens> I think if you specify the -a it just does the whole fstab
[02:14] <Sionide> dsl he has tried
[02:14] <bmonnens> not sure though
[02:14] <Sionide> he's using a floppy disk distro
[02:14] <Burgundavia> sJaM, debian is just as small/large
[02:14] <Sionide> 2mb big
[02:14] <Sionide> heh
[02:14] <sJaM> debian doesn't install X by default
[02:14] <mpmc> well.. I'll stay with gnome..
[02:14] <azik>  is there any like a pluging?
[02:15] <sJaM> hmm
[02:15] <Burgundavia> Sionide,  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/LowMemorySystems
[02:15] <sJaM> you can do that with ubuntu too
[02:15] <sJaM> server
[02:15] <Burgundavia> sJaM, server install
[02:15] <sJaM> hehe
[02:15] <sJaM> I was first
[02:15] <bmonnens> try it without the -a
[02:15] <Sionide> thanks Burgundavia i'll let him know
[02:15] <Burgundavia> Sionide, np
[02:15] <Burgundavia> Sionide, there is a coming ubuntu-lite as well
[02:15] <azik> aps, Sionide i'm wathching alltray, thanks
[02:15] <Sionide> alltray is good
[02:16] <Sionide> oh nice Burgundavia, link on that? or the plans for it?
[02:17] <Burgundavia> Sionide, is an Ubuntu Google SoC project
[02:17] <Sionide> ah cool
[02:17] <Sionide> a very good idea
[02:18] <Sionide> is it gonna have xfce or something?
[02:18] <Burgundavia> no, icewm I think
[02:18] <Burgundavia> just a sec
[02:18] <Burgundavia> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/LightweightDesktop
[02:18] <Sionide> ah nice thanks:)
[02:19] <nothingsometing> bmonnens what were you saying in flood
[02:19] <bmonnens> if you use the -a option with umount or mount it does the whole thing (except proc)
[02:19] <shaun_> exchuese me how do i network to ubuntu computers to getther with out a routure
[02:20] <shaun_> just a network cable between the two
[02:20] <Sionide> shaun_, you need a "cross-over" cable
[02:20] <lukus001> hey can somone tell me how i can install aineobt /program from a tar.gz that dont have a ./configure file?
[02:20] <jowi> shaun_, i would make sure the network cable is cross-over
[02:20] <bmonnens> nothingsometing, just do umount /dev/hdb1
[02:21] <bmonnens> nothingsometing, and then mount /dev/hdb1
[02:21] <bmonnens> nothingsometing, so not using the -a
[02:21] <Subliminal> Seveas: you around?
[02:21] <Seveas> Subliminal, some would say
[02:21] <nothingsometing> i did
[02:21] <Subliminal> kewl
[02:22] <Sionide> lukus001, tar zxvf file.tar.gz
[02:22] <nothingsometing> but someone told me to do it that way earlyer
[02:22] <Subliminal> have you had a chance to look at the conf files for make-jpkg?
[02:22] <Sionide> lukus001, make
[02:22] <Sionide> lukus001, make install
[02:22] <Sionide> just skip the ./configure bit ?
[02:22] <mpmc> Don't you love linux :D
[02:22] <Seveas> Subliminal, yeah, like like j2ee won't fit nicely into it
[02:22] <lukus001> i cant make or make install it sint there
[02:22] <jowi> shaun_, after you have a cross-over cable you should just need to give the computers good ip-addresses (like naming them 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.0.2) so that they should be able to ping eachother
[02:22] <Subliminal> Seveas: :-/
[02:23] <Seveas> Subliminal, it's way out of my capabilities at least
[02:23] <shaun_> jowi: so if i use the comin cable that i use from my adsl modem to my networkcard it won't be crossover?
[02:23] <lukus001> there a make file in the extracted folder "source"
[02:23] <Subliminal> Seveas: ok, thanks for having a look
[02:23] <jonnnn> is it possible to change text in menus e,g Applications--->office---openoffice.org workprocessor?
[02:23] <jowi> shaun_, most likely not a cross-over.
[02:23] <jonnnn> I want to change the last entry openoffice.org with something like "Word" etc
[02:23] <nothingsometing> bmonnens i did that
[02:23] <nothingsometing> that's what i was toing at first
[02:23] <nothingsometing> doing
[02:23] <Subliminal> Seveas: is make-jpkg a debian thing too?
[02:24] <jowi> shaun_, most dsl-modems ship with standard network cables. the only way to know is to give a call to where you got the modem from.
[02:24] <bmonnens> nothingsometing, sorry out of ideas
[02:24] <shaun_> jowi, ok i think ive found a crossover cable what do i do?
[02:24] <nothingsometing> my only problem currently is that i cannnot get my drive to pop up aong with my other drives souch as cd floppy and filesystem
[02:24] <shaun_> plug it then ... asin static ips?
[02:25] <skalpel> how can i change the position of my trashcan icon in gnome?
[02:25] <nothingsometing> but if i go to where i know the folder is it is there and mounted and ready to use
[02:25] <Seveas> Subliminal, yep
[02:25] <skalpel> nevermind, i got it
[02:25] <jowi> shaun_, yep. static ip. pc1: 192.168.0.1 pc2:192.168.0.2
[02:25] <jonnnn> skalpel, any idea pls ? :)
[02:25] <shaun_> :)
[02:25] <Subliminal> Seveas: i'll try and convice someone thats it's a worthy cause
[02:25] <skalpel> jonnn: i think there is an app called smeg menu editor that will let you do that
[02:25] <skalpel> though there may also be an easier way too
[02:25] <shaun_> jowi: what about mask and gateway?
[02:26] <jowi> shaun_, mask: 255.255.255.0. no gateway needed
[02:26] <jean> join /ubuntu.fr
[02:27] <jonnnn> skalpel, other way out, coz i cn't find smeg :)
[02:27] <thoreauputic> jean: #ubuntu-fr
[02:27] <thoreauputic> note #
[02:27] <jean> join #ubuntu.fr
[02:27] <thoreauputic> jean /join #ubuntu-fr
[02:27] <thoreauputic> :)
[02:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. looks like internodes mirrors are a bit behind
[02:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> 194mb behind
[02:28] <skalpel> jonnn: my friend that is the only advice i can give you. did you search google for 'smeg menu editor' ? i know i found it and installed it easilly
[02:30] <Seveas> !smeg
[02:30] <ubotu> from memory, smeg is a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[02:30] <jonnnn> skalpel, so nice of you mate :)
[02:30] <skalpel> you are welcome
[02:30] <skalpel> <3
[02:34] <h08817> ok a little question
[02:34] <david> hello!
[02:35] <h08817> can anyone tell me why my ubuntu install likes to hangout on 75% for a long time?
[02:35] <david> i have a pinnacle pctv video card with the saa7134 chip on it
[02:35] <h08817> its the part where it is installing the kernel
[02:35] <david> i have put the modules but i can't see the tv, can anybody help me??
[02:35] <h08817> it has been on it for 7 hours so i just restarted it just in case it was frozen
[02:35] <h08817> and it is there right now
[02:36] <azik> Sionide, alltray works well, thanks, i'm happy :)
[02:36] <Sionide> azik, woohoo i helped someone :D no problem..
[02:37] <azik> ^_^
[02:37] <thoreauputic> h08817: sounds like bad media - have you checked the md5sum ?
[02:37] <MartenH> h08817: My install didn't take 7 hours, that's for sure... must be something wrong
[02:37] <h08817> i don't know why it is taking so long
[02:37] <h08817> i know the cd is good it installed on other computers i have
[02:38] <Random_Sindrom> h08817: it's a cd install?
[02:38] <h08817> yes i burned it from this site
[02:38] <h08817> how else would u install it?
[02:38] <Random_Sindrom> from net
[02:39] <Random_Sindrom> lan
[02:39] <thoreauputic> h08817: direct network install is possible
[02:39] <h08817> o ok
[02:39] <h08817> well i am not going to have internet on this machine
[02:39] <no_gatez_fan> h08817 what kind of pc was this never ending install attempt on?
[02:40] <h08817> pos
[02:40] <h08817> um..
[02:40] <no_gatez_fan> chipset etc
[02:40] <h08817> a pentium intel
[02:40] <h08817> it is probably too old for linux
[02:40] <h08817> only 64MB of Ram (probably the problem)
[02:40] <no_gatez_fan> not nesessarily
[02:41] <Meldarion> is there finnish translation for ubuntu? i read so from somewhere but not sure about it
[02:41] <macintosh2> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=52565
[02:41] <nothingsometing> crap.......
[02:41] <macintosh2> is this worth worrying about?
[02:41] <nothingsometing> that worked
[02:41] <no_gatez_fan> perhaps look for a hardware compatible list and a min. requirement, but 64 ram ought to be enough to run x
[02:41] <nothingsometing> i can't belive it
[02:42] <zerboxx> h08817: When you installed ubuntu, did you do a server install?
[02:42] <bmonnens> nothingsometing, so now it works?
[02:42] <nothingsometing> it worked
[02:42] <nothingsometing> yeah
[02:42] <bimberi> nothingsometing: what worked? a reboot?
[02:42] <azik> alltray doesn't works with xchat, what's a shit, well, go to googling more...
[02:42] <h08817> zerboxx: yes
[02:42] <nothingsometing> yeah
[02:42] <thoreauputic> h08817: the base install is possible with 64MB - are you trying yo install gnome? I suggest a server install followed by apt-get for other stuff (maybe xfce4 or icewm or flucbox)
[02:42] <nothingsometing> weird huh
[02:42] <thoreauputic> *fluxbox
[02:42] <topyli> Meldarion: you can choose the language, there are no separate internationalized versions
[02:42] <zerboxx> h08817: wow, and it still took 7 hours
[02:42] <no_gatez_fan> right
[02:42] <Meldarion> ok thanks.
[02:42] <h08817> zerboxx: and if hasn't finished yet
[02:42] <bimberi> nothingsometing: yep - wierd
[02:42] <nothingsometing> but listen to this
[02:43] <h08817> zerboxx: i stopped it and restarted it just in case it froze
[02:43] <mjr> Meldarion, the install program has holes in translations though; the base gnome programs are in better shape
[02:43] <h08817> i am going to let it go all day and see if there is any improvement
[02:43] <Random_Sindrom> just in case... check if it is a x86 ubuntu dist...
[02:43] <h08817> it sticks on the installing the kernel
[02:43] <topyli> Meldarion: also, you can get funny system messages if you choose finnish for the console
[02:43] <nothingsometing> there is a listed still outstanding bug where you restart and it's listed in computer then after 10 mins or soit just dissapeers
[02:43] <h08817> it is a i386 hoary distribution
[02:43] <no_gatez_fan> if you know the cd is ok, it might not like your hardware for some reason
[02:44] <topyli> Meldarion: "ei voi kirjoittaa foo: ei tiedostoa tai hakemistoa lydy" :)
[02:44] <nothingsometing> i hope that's not what is wrong with mine
[02:44] <h08817> don't know what it would have a problem with
[02:44] <no_gatez_fan> might look for an HCL
[02:44] <Meldarion> ok, :p
[02:44] <h08817> no_gatez_fan: what is a HCL?
[02:44] <nothingsometing> because they haven't fixed it still
[02:44] <bimberi> nothingsometing: got a url for that?
[02:44] <no_gatez_fan> hcl harware compatibility list
[02:44] <nothingsometing> ummm
[02:44] <nothingsometing> ask bi
[02:45] <h08817> o
[02:45] <nothingsometing> that's who gave it to me
[02:45] <nimra> Hello, typical Linux (and IRC) Newbie here, I want to get some thing cleared up for me, if you'd like to help please
[02:45] <topyli> nimra: ask away
[02:45] <thoreauputic> nimra: just ask -
[02:45] <Random_Sindrom> nimra:go ahead
[02:45] <h08817> well on another computer i have that has windows and linux on it and i was wondering how to install a driver for my netgear Wg111 usb for internet
[02:45] <Random_Sindrom> hehehe
[02:45] <MartenH> I'm running on a Dell latitude C800 with a touch pad and the cursor freezes for 10-15 seconds now and then for no apparent reason. Is anyone else experiencing this problem?
[02:45] <nimra> ok, with Ubuntu, is there CD and DVD burning software?
[02:45] <h08817> i use that to connect to my network then to get online
[02:46] <bimberi> nothingsometing: bi?
[02:46] <mpmc> nimra: yes..
[02:46] <bimberi> nimra: nautilus, gnomebaker, graveman or k3b
[02:46] <no_gatez_fan> sounds like for some reason it is not lieing your chipset if it is chokeing on the kernel
[02:46] <topyli> nimra: sure. the file manager has basic burning features
[02:46] <nimra> can it burn commercial DVD's?
[02:46] <nimra> Video DVDs
[02:46] <thoreauputic> nimra: heh
[02:46] <jonnnn> skalpel, thanks agian mesg worked :)
[02:47] <topyli> nimra: no, you need to install more advanced software
[02:47] <skalpel> jonnn: then i am very happy for you
[02:47] <jonnnn> skalpel, hehe :)
[02:47] <topyli> nimra: and get the copyright issues solved of course
[02:47] <shaun_> srew that i give up
[02:47] <mpmc> what the hell is Lynx?
[02:47] <nimra> ok, I've used KNOPPIX, which is KDE, right? is Ubuntu very different?
[02:48] <jowi> mpmc, a text based browser. like elinks
[02:48] <mpmc> ok lol
[02:48] <no_gatez_fan> lynx is a text based browser
[02:48] <shaun_> i find ubuntus network  config gui conflicts with /etc/init.d/networking restart
[02:48] <shaun_> use one or the other in my opinion
[02:48] <anacron> nimra: you can have kde in your ubuntu
[02:48] <thoreauputic> mpmc: high geek points for ysing lynx ;-)
[02:48] <shaun_> (unforutnatley
[02:48] <shaun_> another night
[02:48] <thoreauputic> *using
[02:49] <shaun_> thanks all
[02:49] <shaun_> bye
[02:49] <jowi> shaun_, maybe you are... oh
[02:49] <nothingsometing> yea
[02:49] <nothingsometing> tht's you
[02:49] <eyequeue> lynx (1)             - a general purpose distributed information browser for the World Wide Web
[02:49] <nothingsometing> your bi
[02:49] <nothingsometing> sorry
[02:49] <nothingsometing> i mean
[02:49] <nothingsometing> i don't know if your bi
[02:49] <nothingsometing> really
[02:49] <nothingsometing> but that's just easyer to type
[02:50] <nimra> and I'm scared that linux won't detect my soundcard, my PC is a Medion PC and when I loaded KNOPPIX live, it didn't detect any sound
[02:50] <thoreauputic> eyequeue: heh - general purpose apparently doesn't include pictures ;)
[02:50] <topyli> nimra: that's a bad sign
[02:50] <eyequeue> lynx (+zgv/fbi) works fine for that :)
[02:50] <nothingsometing> bimberi what was that web page you gave me b4
[02:50] <nothingsometing> ibimberi i rebooted
[02:51] <thoreauputic> eyequeue: ah - with those additions :)
[02:51] <topyli> nimra: in knoppix, you can use lspci to see what chip your card has
[02:51] <nimra> and how would I use lspci?
[02:52] <thoreauputic> nimra: you just type it in  a terminal :)
[02:52] <eyequeue> thoreauputic:  i figure, if a box will be used for pictures, i'd have those on it already :)
[02:52] <nothingsometing> how do i make konqueror my default file browser
[02:52] <thoreauputic> eyequeue: you win ! heheh
[02:53] <nothingsometing> yeah i know
[02:53] <eyequeue> thoreauputic:  ;)
[02:53] <nothingsometing> sorry
[02:54] <nimra> and I've heard of a program which can run PC games (win), do you know if I could play games like Sims2 through Linux?
[02:54] <Random_Sindrom> wine?
[02:55] <thoreauputic> nimra: you probably mean cedega - but it costs money
[02:55] <topyli> nimra: lspci is a command, just type it into a terminal :)
[02:56] <bimberi> nothingsometing: Only url I've posted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[02:56] <nothingsometing> that's it
[02:56] <nothingsometing> bimberi i rebooted and now it's there
[02:56] <nimra> thanks so much, you've been tons of help, if you don't mind I'll ask a few more questions?
[02:56] <nothingsometing> hahaha
[02:57] <nothingsometing> sounds lik i have that problem on that fourm
[02:57] <nothingsometing> and on the fourm they didn't fix that problem
[02:57] <thoreauputic> nimra: that's what we're here for - fire away
[02:57] <mfw> i really like ubunutu, just installed and already running without problems on my notebook
[02:57] <nimra> is there some kind of replacement for VisualBasic?
[02:58] <thoreauputic> mfw: welcome to freedom ;)
[02:58] <nothingsometing> that's not the one
[02:58] <bimberi> nothingsometing: erm, that wasn't anything to do with your issue
[02:58] <thoreauputic> nimra: erm - not really but there are lots of good languages
[02:58] <sexcopter8000m> are there facilities equivalent to defrag and scanning for errors in windows?
[02:58] <nothingsometing> bimberi it was the web page you found about the mounting drives
[02:58] <bimberi> nothingsometing: unless you were previously connected as "gepp"
[02:58] <andy_> not needed in ubuntu :d
[02:58] <mfw> Yeah, Im happy that I found Ubunut, thats just what I always wanted
[02:58] <bimberi> *geppy
[02:58] <andy_> linux doesnt fragment
[02:58] <thoreauputic> nimra: VB is kinda MS restricted
[02:59] <sexcopter8000m> oh, cool
[02:59] <andy_> you bet ;)
[02:59] <sexcopter8000m> begs the question, why does it fragment in windows?
[02:59] <nothingsometing> restarting the computer then 10 mins later it would dissapeer from che "computer" folder
[02:59] <thoreauputic> sexcopter8000m: bad design
[02:59] <sexcopter8000m> besides, isn't it more dependent on the filesystem rather than the os?
[02:59] <andy_> because they use a totally other way of filesystem management
[03:00] <topyli> sexcopter8000m: ext2 fragments too, but it's not a problem
[03:00] <thoreauputic> sexcopter8000m: yes - linux filesystems are better
[03:00] <nimra> and if I have ubuntu installed aswell as windows, how does it boot?
[03:00] <sexcopter8000m> well i have a vfat partition, what about that?
[03:00] <mfw> Any ideas what software you should have installed on ubunut anyway? i updated all my things with synaptic from the universe..
[03:00] <andy_> by booting you get the choice
[03:00] <andy_> if you installed win first that is
[03:00] <sexcopter8000m> i guess i could defrag in windows if need be...
[03:00] <thoreauputic> nimra: with grub in the MBR you have dual boot
[03:00] <topyli> nimra: ubuntu installs a boot loader which gives you a choise at boot time
[03:00] <sJaM> but you can also use the ntldr to dualboot
[03:01] <nothingsometing> bimberi is there any way i can get conqueror to be my default file browser
[03:01] <FLD> hey where was ati help?
[03:01] <topyli> sexcopter8000m: you should defrag that from windows
[03:01] <FLD> need to get my ati work
[03:01] <bimberi> nothingsometing: sorry - can't help with that one
[03:01] <nimra> and can i make it so it just shows for like a few seconds and if I dont do anything it boots to windows?
[03:01] <mfw> @nothingsometing : no you need the qt libraries and thats a bad idea
[03:01] <andy_> yes
[03:01] <thoreauputic> you can
[03:01] <sexcopter8000m> that reminds me of another thing... i'm gonna need to start anew with windows - it's a mess. can anyone confirm/quash my gut feeling that installing windows from a clean partition will screw up ubuntu?
[03:02] <andy_> you must edit (gedit) the file:
[03:02] <andy_> eum
[03:02] <andy_> /boot/grub/menu.lst i believe
[03:02] <thoreauputic> sexcopter8000m: windows will rewrite the MBR - fixable but not trivial
[03:02] <andy_> standart it will boot linux after 5 secs but u can change the order
[03:02] <Earered> sexcopter8000m, it depends, windows will erase the MBR
[03:02] <sexcopter8000m> and there's no option to stop it doing that?
[03:03] <sJaM> no sexcopter8000m
[03:03] <FLD> damn i dont find that
[03:03] <thoreauputic> sexcopter8000m: windows is braindead
[03:03] <sexcopter8000m> arse. ok, are there any howto's on this?
[03:03] <sJaM> but you can boot linux from windows
[03:03] <sexcopter8000m> i guess it comes up quite a lot
[03:03] <FLD> where is that ati radeon + ubuntu help?
[03:03] <topyli> sexcopter8000m: in short: boot from a live cd, chroot to your linux root, run grub-install
[03:04] <Burgundavia> sexcopter8000m, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[03:04] <brosio> ehy the version of kopete in warty is altredy patched ?
[03:04] <brosio> i read an advisor for kopete
[03:04] <sexcopter8000m> FLD https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto ?
[03:04] <brosio> http://www.kde.org/info/security/advisory-20050721-1.txt
[03:04] <chorton> Is there any program yall would reccomend for video editing?
[03:04] <Riddell> brosio: that advisory doesn't affect kubuntu because we use an external libgadu
[03:04] <sJaM> linux has a shortage there chorton
[03:05] <topyli> chorton: kino perhaps
[03:05] <topyli> chorton: cinelerra for pro stuff
[03:05] <jea> yes kino is great programm
[03:05] <chorton> Yeah, I'm just looking for the basics.
[03:06] <chorton> Lemme see.
[03:06] <sexcopter8000m> excellent, thanks guys
[03:06] <topyli> how do you scroll up in irssi?
[03:06] <apokryphos> topyli: page-up
[03:06] <Earered> sexcopter, another solution, without too much command line, is to use a boot loader on its own partition (like GAG: http://gag.sourceforge.net/) and to have GRUB on the main linux partition. That way, windows can rewrite as much as he wants the MBR, you just need to insert the GAG CD or floppy for restoration and you are done
[03:06] <topyli> apokryphos: of course. damn :)
[03:06] <nothingsometing> mfw what are you talking about???
[03:06] <sJaM> smart boot manager
[03:06] <nimra> is everything alright with ubuntu and NTFS partitions?
[03:07] <brosio> Riddell, sure ?
[03:07] <brosio> i see that i have kopete 0.10
[03:07] <thoreauputic> nimra: ntfs is read-only from linux
[03:07] <andy_> you can't mount ntfs partitions writable
[03:07] <thoreauputic> nimra: blame MS for not releasing specs
[03:07] <jea> is there someone who know the streaming with vlc
[03:07] <andy_> fat partitions can
[03:07] <reyn> libyaml-ruby1.8: Depends: libiconv-ruby1.8 but it is not going to be installed ... eh ?
[03:07] <jea> i nedd help about streaming
[03:08] <mfw> :nothingsometing i think you need the qt libraries to install konqueror
[03:08] <andy_> it's your sources.list that is kinda not ok
[03:08] <andy_> in /etc/apt
[03:08] <andy_> start with apt-get update
[03:08] <reyn> I'm using apt-proxy ... might be that
[03:08] <jea> no one knows vlc
[03:08] <ZibiKebir> what type of device is a wireless usb adapter classified as?
[03:08] <topyli> mfw: i think konqueror needs most of kde actually
[03:09] <jea> wlan on wireless adapter
[03:09] <ZibiKebir> yh
[03:09] <nothingsometing> .............now what was that mfw................. i need the what, and your sure that will make konqueror my default file browser
[03:09] <Riddell> brosio: ldd /usr/bin/kopete | grep gadu
[03:09] <jea> this is the ype of device
[03:09] <brosio> Ubuntu has released updated packages to address multiple security vulnerabilities identified in KDE. These flaws are due to input validation and integer overflow errors in "lib/events.c" and "lib/libgadu.c", which could be exploited by attackers to crash a vulnerable application or compromise a vulnerable system. For additional information, see : FrSIRT/ADV-2005-1161
[03:09] <mfw> right, so I wouldnt install it, thats crappy
[03:09] <nimra> so would the best way to install ubuntu is to divide my 250GB HDD in half and reinstall Windows on one part and Ubuntu on the other (FAT32?)?
[03:09] <mfw> use firefox...!
[03:10] <thoreauputic> nothingsometing: making konq default in gnome is kind of - pushing s**t uphill IMO
[03:10] <holycow> nimra, personally i recommend separate hd's, on removable trays
[03:10] <thoreauputic> nothingsometing: if you prefer konq you are better off with KDE
[03:10] <holycow> safest way to work i think
[03:10] <ZibiKebir> i used lsusb and it found it on bus 002 device 004
[03:10] <nothingsometing> DAMNIT but i lie it so much
[03:10] <brosio> Riddell, ok
[03:10] <brosio> thx
[03:10] <ZibiKebir> whats the command to mount that
[03:11] <nothingsometing> i have kde
[03:11] <mfw> I can't get sound running in VLC! Somebody with ideas?
[03:11] <topyli> nimra: divide your windows space into a small ntfs (system) and big fat32 (data) partitions, so linux and win can share the data
[03:11] <nothingsometing> LMAO
[03:11] <thoreauputic> nothingsometing: then install kubuntu-desktop and use KDE :)
[03:11] <mfw> I wouldnt
[03:11] <jea> what is your probleme with vlc
[03:11] <nothingsometing> i just happn to like ubuntu more but just not it's file browser
[03:11] <mfw> No sound
[03:11] <poningru> mfw: whats the prob?
[03:11] <poningru> hmm
[03:11] <jea> do you see your audio seting
[03:11] <nothingsometing> it pisses me off actually
[03:11] <poningru> nothingsometing: what dont you like in it?
[03:11] <jea> essd or alsa
[03:11] <paines> hi
[03:12] <mfw> I installed the whole package, with alsa and so, but i get no sound
[03:12] <poningru> nothingsometing: here try this
[03:12] <nimra> thanks, and are there any linux programs for the iPod?
[03:12] <topyli> nothingsometing: make it work so you will like it :)
[03:12] <ethics> nothingsometing, try xfe ??
[03:12] <thoreauputic> nothingsometing: do "apt-cache search file-browser" perhaps - I use rox here for example
[03:12] <nothingsometing> every time i click somethng to opens another window and thre is no back button like i'm usto
[03:12] <paines> i am experiencing problems with unrar and arj on ubuntu 64 bit version. anyone can confirm that ? both unpackers are not working at all
[03:12] <jea> hwhen you prob the sound what is the results
[03:12] <thoreauputic> nothingsometing: ah - you can fix that
[03:12] <nothingsometing> ok show me the way
[03:12] <nothingsometing> lol
[03:13] <mfw> sounds working perfectly but not in LVC
[03:13] <topyli> nothingsometing: you can set it up to be like an old fashioned explorer-like file browser
[03:13] <mfw> VLC
[03:13] <thoreauputic> nothingsometing:  in prefs -behaviour - "open in browser windows"
[03:13] <topyli> nothingsometing: or for individual folders, right click and choose "browse"
[03:14] <thoreauputic> nothingsometing: that will give you the traditional view with back arrows etc
[03:14] <nothingsometing> ooh hell yeah
[03:14] <nothingsometing> ok
[03:15] <nothingsometing> you gota admit the default thing they give you is anoying
[03:15] <topyli> nothingsometing: actually, i just have a shortcut icon for a traditional browser and use spatial for the desktop
[03:15] <thoreauputic> nothingsometing: there was a holy war about it ;)
[03:15] <nothingsometing> so how did they loose that war ubuntu soposto be user friendly
[03:15] <mfw> sounds not working, really crappy.... I works perfect with Totem and Mplayer..
[03:16] <thoreauputic> nothingsometing: not so much ubuntu - it was a gnome thing
[03:16] <nothingsometing> aaag
[03:16] <nothingsometing> i see
[03:16] <nothingsometing> i am imagneing blood shead
[03:16] <nothingsometing> lol
[03:16] <topyli> nothingsometing: actually, ubuntu broke the user-friendly gnome default spatial :)
[03:16] <thoreauputic> nothingsometing: much angry bandidth was wasted over it ;)
[03:16] <thoreauputic> *bandwith
[03:16] <nothingsometing> lol
[03:17] <mfw> Somebody here with ideas?
[03:17] <thoreauputic> mfw: no, no one here ever has any ideas
[03:17] <thoreauputic> ;-)
[03:17] <mfw> i see
[03:17] <mfw> ;-)
[03:18] <jonnnn> skalpel, heh me again :)
[03:18] <quitte> in which package is /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.la?
[03:18] <mfw> Maybe somebody had the same probs?
[03:19] <jonnnn> skalpel, howto change the prefered mail clinet, for example if click on a file then select "send to.. " its gives me evolution by default
[03:19] <thoreauputic> mfw: tip: when you have sound problems, suspect esd (enlightened sound daemon - so-called)
[03:19] <CellarDoor> hi
[03:19] <nothingsometing> can i make them always view as a" list " somewhere inthose options
[03:20] <CellarDoor> I'm trying to help someone with an iburst wireless usb modem with ubuntu, can anyone help us get this working ?
[03:20] <thoreauputic> you can - disable the icon view
[03:20] <andy_> anybody with a ibm thinkpad 600 on linux, with working sound?
[03:21] <nothingsometing> ok i have one more problem
[03:21] <nothingsometing> ....
[03:21] <nothingsometing> um
[03:21] <CellarDoor> I've never used a usb modem, let alone an iburst wireless, apparently ubuntu isn't using it - can anyone help ?
[03:22] <andy_> noooo :d
[03:22] <thoreauputic> topyli: traitor! ;-)
[03:22] <topyli> it's an interesting pastime :)
[03:22] <nothingsometing> i need to update my repositories so i can get mplayer from apt-get and someone was telling me how to do that earlyer and i couldn't
[03:22] <CellarDoor> evil
[03:22] <andy_> windows is a game
[03:22] <nothingsometing> can someone tell me how to do that again
[03:22] <topyli> putty to the rescue =)
[03:22] <CellarDoor> so... no one can help ?
[03:22] <poningru> !repositories
[03:22] <ubotu> somebody said repositories was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto, or repos
[03:22] <andy_> at ubuntuguide.org u find goor repositories
[03:23] <andy_> good
[03:23] <poningru> nothingsometing: take a read
[03:23] <Burgundavia> Andares, pleae don't recommend the ubuntuguide
[03:23] <nothingsometing> noooo
[03:23] <nothingsometing> i know how to add reposotories
[03:23] <Burgundavia> Andares, sorry, wrong person
[03:23] <poningru> ?
[03:23] <andy_> why not? works for me
[03:23] <Burgundavia> !ubuntuguide
[03:23] <ubotu> I guess ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[03:23] <topyli> thoreauputic: full screen putty, screen on uni's Sun box and its ok
[03:23] <nothingsometing> this person was talking about useing forbidden ones
[03:23] <nothingsometing> or
[03:23] <nothingsometing> special ones
[03:23] <andy_> whatever
[03:24] <deFrysk> so ubuntuguide is for specialist who do not need explanation ?
[03:24] <ZibiKebir> does anybody know what the exact comman is mount a wireless usb adapter founf on Bus 002 Device 001
[03:24] <poningru> ubotu: tell nothingsomething about !repositories
[03:24] <poningru> sigh
[03:24] <andy_> yeah allright but just the repositories dude
[03:24] <poningru> ubotu: tell nothingsomething about !repo
[03:24] <poningru> ubotu: tell nothingsomething about !repos
[03:24] <Burgundavia> deFrysk, the ubuntuguide is for those who already know what theya re doing
[03:24] <poningru> gaaah
[03:24] <nothingsometing> i know about them
[03:24] <nothingsometing> sortof
[03:24] <nothingsometing> i've added them
[03:24] <Burgundavia> andy_, the wiki has a perfectly sane way of getting the repos
[03:24] <nothingsometing> i've uses them
[03:25] <andy_> its just some text that you copy and paste into the file
[03:25] <nothingsometing> but in need to get mplayer
[03:25] <poningru> nothingsometing: what have you added?
[03:25] <poningru> becasue mplayer is in there iirc
[03:25] <skalpel> sup jonnnn
[03:25] <nothingsometing> i need the codecs and stuff for mplayer
[03:25] <skalpel> =)
[03:25] <jonnnn> skalpel, busy? ;)
[03:26] <skalpel> jonnnn: not really, just chatting on efnet and having some coffee. what is up?
[03:26] <jonnnn> skalpel, howto change the prefered mail clinet, for example if click on a file then select "send to.. " its gives me evolution by default
[03:26] <thoreauputic> nothingsometing: in hoary extras - I would comment them out after you get the codecs, personally
[03:26] <nothingsometing> i added them and then i took them away
[03:26] <thoreauputic> !multimedia
[03:26] <ubotu> I guess multimedia is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[03:26] <topyli> skalpel: sounds pretty busy to me :)
[03:26] <skalpel> jonnnn: go to system > preferences > preferred applications
[03:26] <thoreauputic> nothingsometing: wise move :)
[03:26] <skalpel> jonnnn: and you will be able to set your preferred mail client
[03:27] <nothingsometing> ok getting mplayer really isnt my problem
[03:27] <skalpel> topyli: im a busybee haha
[03:27] <jonnnn> skalpel, i do change in it but i duno still not working
[03:27] <jonnnn> do i have to restart X ;) ?
[03:27] <jonnnn> damn my keyboard sucks
[03:27] <skalpel> i do not think so
[03:27] <topyli> jonnnn: you shouldn't have to
[03:27] <skalpel> you are trying to do this from irc, right?
[03:27] <nothingsometing> when i play video with tothellm it jumps and skips and slows down
[03:28] <nothingsometing> just fucks up basicly
[03:28] <nothingsometing> and i recall someone telling me that totem was crap
[03:28] <skalpel> jonnnn: you could try logging out and then back in though, and see if that changes anything. no harm in that, if you dont mind hopping off irc =)
[03:28] <thoreauputic> nothingsometing: try totem-xine
[03:28] <nothingsometing> what's the diffrance
[03:28] <nothingsometing> i mean
[03:28] <nothingsometing> really
[03:28] <Burgundavia> nothingsometing, different backend
[03:28] <nothingsometing> oog
[03:28] <jonnnn> skalpel, only one things i will miss you :)
[03:28] <thoreauputic> nothingsometing: the xine backend for totem works better atm
[03:29] <Burgundavia> the issue is not totem, it is the gstreamer backend for movies
[03:29] <jonnnn> brb
[03:29] <thoreauputic> right
[03:29] <nothingsometing> so do i need to uninstall totem or can i just install the other one over it or something
[03:29] <Burgundavia> the next release of gstreamer should solve most of the issues (but it won't make breezy)
[03:29] <skalpel> jonnnn: well i will miss you too bro but you can always come back and say hello =)
[03:29] <Burgundavia> nothingsometing, just install totem-xine
[03:29] <thoreauputic> just install it nothingsometing - apt will look after you
[03:30] <nothingsometing> i'll use syap
[03:30] <nothingsometing> synap
[03:30] <thoreauputic> nothingsometing: don't be alarmed if it wants to uninstall ubuntu-desktop - that's just a metapackage
[03:30] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic, it doesn't do that in hoary
[03:30] <alex__> anyone have problem with 2.6.11 ?
[03:30] <nothingsometing> :O
[03:30] <nothingsometing> just
[03:30] <alex__> mee crash many time
[03:30] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: aha! thanks I didn't know that
[03:31] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic, ubuntu-desktop depends on totem which depends on either -xine or -gstreamer
[03:31] <thoreauputic> alex__: 2.6.11 has major issues - use 2.6.10
[03:31] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: cool :)
[03:31] <nothingsometing> damn i love synaptic
[03:33] <nothingsometing> is it soposto look the EXACT same
[03:33] <nothingsometing> or is it just me
[03:33] <poningru> nothingsometing: yes
[03:33] <nothingsometing> ?
[03:34] <nothingsometing> ooh
[03:34] <nothingsometing> ....then i installed it
[03:34] <nothingsometing> lol
[03:34] <poningru> nothingsometing: it will run better though
[03:34] <nothingsometing> really
[03:34] <nothingsometing> i'll see
[03:34] <thoreauputic> nothingsometing: totem is just the pretty face - -xine is the engine :)
[03:34] <nothingsometing> muahaw haw haw
[03:34] <poningru> kinda like take a ford escape and take its body and put it into a corolla or civic
[03:34] <nothingsometing> oooh
[03:34] <nothingsometing> ok
[03:35] <poningru> put it on*
[03:35] <CellarDoor> no wireless iburst experts here ?
[03:37] <david> hello!
[03:37] <david> i have a pinnacle pctv video card with the saa7134 chip on it
[03:37] <david> i have put the modules but i can't see the tv, can anybody help me??
[03:38] <xliu> how to set the font size of gnome apps in kde?
[03:42] <gpd> If I could stop realplayer from being sooo sloow in firefox i would wake up...
[03:42] <duke> hi to all
[03:42] <thoreauputic> hi duke :)
[03:43] <thoreauputic> gpd: sometimes it helps to delete the *sw* plugins for realplayer (don't know why)
[03:43] <duke> a little question: Is it possible to install ubuntu without gnome-desktop. But with all other sysapps allready configured
[03:44] <thoreauputic> duke: kind of - you can do a "server" install then use apt to get other bits
[03:44] <Burgundavia> duke, you can use the server install
[03:44] <gpd> thoreauputic: you mean shockwave?
[03:44] <str> what is the latest kernel version in ubuntu?
[03:44] <Burgundavia> str, .10 in Hoary (stable)
[03:45] <duke> i tried that with the server install, but then u have to install an configure cups and all the other stuff
[03:45] <Burgundavia> str, .12 in Breezy (developmetn)
[03:45] <str> thanks
[03:45] <str> :)
[03:45] <gpd> str: .11 is also available in hoary if you look
[03:45] <thoreauputic> gpd: real has a couple of plugins with sw in them ( I guess they are supposed to do shockwave but I've never seen it work)
[03:45] <str> how to have that .11?
[03:45] <gpd> str: just search in synaptic
[03:46] <str> i just updated mine it is only .10
[03:46] <str> in synaptic
[03:46] <Burgundavia> str, .11 is available in hoary, but it is not supported
[03:46] <str> alright
[03:46] <thoreauputic> str: .11 is *not* recommended
[03:46] <duke> does not exist an install-flag for which debs get installed?
[03:47] <str> thanks people, ur very helpful and accomodating
[03:47] <str> cheers!
[03:48] <gpd> thoreauputic: removed those sw plugins, seems better, thanks!
[03:48] <thoreauputic> gpd: i got that tip from the BBC site , of all places ;)
[03:49] <MartenH> neat, my minolta worked right away on ubu :)
[03:49] <moparfan90> i have 2 computers running ubuntu. i want to have them share files how do i do this?
[03:49] <gpd> still crashes when you close the window (I'm using the bbc player ;)
[03:50] <thoreauputic> moparfan90: there are several ways - I use NFS but you can use samba too
[03:50] <mpmc> hi Bob2. :)
[03:50] <Renski> how does apt-get work? how would I download, and compile gcc for instance?
[03:50] <bob2> hi
[03:50] <saku_0> yop
[03:50] <thoreauputic> moparfan90: you can also do it with ssh/scp
[03:51] <Burgundavia> Renski, I assume you are coming from gentoo. apt-get downloads the binary package and installs it
[03:51] <thoreauputic> Renski: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[03:51] <duke>   apt-get install gcc
[03:51] <zerboxx> I'm having a problem syncing my palm with ubuntu.  I can set it up, but it seems that when I restart my computer I havee to re-setup my palm.  Any ideas on why this is?
[03:51] <thoreauputic> duke: no, build-essential
[03:51] <duke> ok ..
[03:51] <Burgundavia> duke, build-essential is gcc plus more useful things
[03:51] <thoreauputic> duke: b-e has extra bits you need for compiling
[03:51] <Renski> thanks Burgundavia
[03:52] <Renski> ...why did I think ubuntu was source based?
[03:52] <Burgundavia> Renski, no idea
[03:52] <Burgundavia> Renski, because it was cool and new?
[03:52] <Renski> a sourced based distro without gcc....
[03:52] <Renski> lol
[03:52] <thoreauputic> duke: please, ask before starting a dcc chat or /msg ing
[03:53] <thoreauputic> duke: what did you want to ask?
[03:53] <moparfan90> i have file sharing on one of them but the other computer is not reading the files. what do i do?
[03:53] <thoreauputic> duke: if about build-essential, try ' apt-cache show build-essential "
[03:54] <DekaPink> G'morning, all~ :)
[03:54] <duke> sorry, I want to use fluxbox on my laptop, and so i dont need to install the gnome-desktop. But I need the other confs, like X, Cups ... , What should I do?
[03:54] <Renski> that works perfectly, can anyone point in the direction of a url with more infomation about apt-get?
[03:54] <Renski> besides man apt-get
[03:54] <TenPlus1> Hi folks...
[03:54] <duke> hi tenPlus
[03:54] <bob2> duke: install a default system
[03:54] <thoreauputic> Renski: sudo apt-get install apt-howto :)
[03:54] <CellarDoor> aww come on guys, nooobody knows about iburst modems with ubuntu ??
[03:54] <TenPlus1> hi duke
[03:54] <bob2> duke: get rid of the bits yo udon't want
[03:54] <bob2> duke: enjoy!
[03:55] <bob2> CellarDoor: if someone knew, they would answer
[03:55] <duke> bob2: sorry I dont understand
[03:55] <CellarDoor> yeah I guess so
[03:55] <bob2> CellarDoor: try asking on the ubuntu-user list, or on the slug list
[03:55] <TenPlus1> Q.) is there a way to install Ubuntu on an already created fat32 partition ?
[03:55] <bob2> TenPlus1: no
[03:55] <bob2> ubuntu won't usefully run on fat32
[03:55] <tommorris> Hey all.
[03:56] <Burgundavia> Renski, http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkgtools.en.html
[03:56] <Renski> ty
[03:56] <thoreauputic> duke: he's suggesting a standard install, then uninstall the bits you don't need
[03:56] <Burgundavia> Renski, http://www.dpkg.org/
[03:56] <TenPlus1> bummer...
[03:56] <tommorris> Can someone please come and seed kubuntu-5.04-dvd-powerpc.iso.torrent
[03:56] <moparfan90> thoreauputic, i have both computer with file sharing on. and it is not seeing the files. whhat do i do?
[03:56] <djp> !dma
[03:56] <duke> u mean the packet ubuntu-desktop
[03:56] <thoreauputic> moparfan90: you need to install samba methinks
[03:56] <bob2> duke: I mean, do a default install, then remove whatever it is you don't want
[03:56] <moparfan90> i have samba installed
[03:56] <Kamzi> hi, i've just got the internet to wokr with linux using an external 56k modem and the speed seems a lot slower than in windows , any ideas ??
[03:57] <thoreauputic> moparfan90: at least on one machine as server...
[03:57] <Scouse> Hi all
[03:57] <thoreauputic> moparfan90: ah, sorry
[03:57] <duke> bob2, u mean I should deinstall the deb ubuntu-desktop
[03:58] <bob2> duke: if you really think you don't want it
[03:58] <Riddell> tommorris: what's up with it?
[03:58] <duke> and how would u do that?
[03:58] <tommorris> stuck at 72.1%, Riddell.
[03:58] <bob2> duke: using the package manager...
[03:58] <duke> ok
[03:58] <tommorris> I'm chucking it 300kbps, but I haven't got the whole file.
[03:58] <duke> i will do so . bob
[03:58] <duke> thx and greetings from Switzerland
[03:59] <Manny_> hi
[03:59] <Manny_> any chance that ubuntu hoary will be upgraded to GTK 2.6.8. It has a nice GTK+ file chooser fix
[03:59] <ToRTuReD_X> erm
[03:59] <mpmc> Where are we all from aye?
[04:00] <mpmc> i'm from the UK :P
[04:00] <ToRTuReD_X> how do i install java so i can view java files on the web?
[04:00] <thor|pizza> !java
[04:00] <ubotu> java is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[04:00] <TenPlus1> Does Ubuntu 5.04 have problems with wireless cards and ndiswrapper ??
[04:00] <CellarDoor> argh
[04:01] <brosio> anyone that have ubuntu on amd64 can said me which version is on repository ?
[04:01] <Goshawk> TenPlus1, not for me
[04:01] <TenPlus1> Goshawk: what card u got ?
[04:01] <TenPlus1> <-- Asus WL-138g (marvell chipset)
[04:01] <Goshawk> TenPlus1, broadcom
[04:01] <Goshawk> in an asus a6770klh
[04:02] <Goshawk> TenPlus1, with 64 bit drivers
[04:02] <mpmc> Asus are crappy
[04:02] <TenPlus1> Goshawk: don't suppose you have a guide of how you installed it and set-it-up ??
[04:02] <Seveas> TenPlus1, dud you get that to work?!?
[04:02] <Goshawk> TenPlus1, yep
[04:02] <TenPlus1> kewl, you got a link :)
[04:02] <Goshawk> TenPlus1, look at the ubuntuforums
[04:02] <Goshawk> looking for ndiswrapper how to
[04:02] <Discipulus> whatis firefox
[04:02] <Discipulus> ubotu, tell me what firefox is
[04:03] <Seveas> Discipulus, the default web browser in gnome
[04:03] <TenPlus1> that's what I used... installed my .info driver ok and setup the card stuff and it stalled when connecting to my laptop
[04:03] <mpmc> we had an asus.. we looked at the board after a month.. and it had warped!
[04:03] <Goshawk> mpmc, what do you have?
[04:03] <topyli> Seveas: epiphany is gnome default :)
[04:03] <mpmc> Giga-byte.
[04:03] <mpmc> not the best I know
[04:04] <mpmc> but they are pretty neat..
[04:04] <chiisai> Err, what can actually happen if I add breezer to my repositories? snd-azx isn't included, so I have to use newer alsa packages only available for breezer, so..
[04:04] <thor|pizza> ubotu died?
[04:04] <ubotu> thor|pizza: I give up, what is it?
[04:04] <mpmc> !info help
[04:04] <thor|pizza> hmm then why didn't the bot answer my /msg ? :/
[04:05] <topyli> chiisai: your system might break completely or similar little things
[04:05] <kahuna_> I'm getting a Not Authenticated message in synaptic after upgrading to Hoary From Warty. I assume that I don't have the correct keys. Where and how can I get them
[04:05] <thor|pizza> ah, nick change - got it
[04:05] <chiisai> Yeah, I figured... well, *might*?
[04:05] <gypsymauro> hello
[04:05] <topyli> chiisai: or it might work just fine today and break tomorrow
[04:05] <chiisai> I need to get my sound working somehow, so it seems like it's the only choice
[04:05] <chiisai> :\
[04:06] <ToRTuReD_X> anyone got any ideas on installing limewire?
[04:06] <kahuna_> Yup.
[04:06] <gypsymauro> I'm tryin to connect remotely to an ubuntu gdm via xdmcp but when I login i get this error: Error activating XKB configuration. whata about this?
[04:06] <|rockinnerd|> how do i get the kernel source? apt-get install kernel-source gives me a 2.4.x kernel, i want the 2.6.x
[04:06] <kahuna_> Download the latest JRE, install it
[04:06] <thoreauputic> umm.. what is HostingGeek up to??
[04:06] <enyc_> gypu: keyboard configuration.. wouldnt worry about it too much unelss you end up wiht a silly keybaord layout
[04:06] <kahuna_> Then download the tarball of Limewire into /opt
[04:06] <mpmc> Whats knoppix?
[04:06] <ToRTuReD_X> ok
[04:06] <|rockinnerd|> !knoppix
[04:06] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, |rockinnerd|
[04:06] <ToRTuReD_X> thanks
[04:06] <kahuna_> Then symlink runlime.sh (or whatever they call it) to /usr/bin/limewire
[04:06] <tommorris> bootable linux distro
[04:07] <topyli> chiisai: if you're looking for a specific package, you can get the breezy source package and backport it
[04:07] <ToRTuReD_X> i was told to use the JDK
[04:07] <ToRTuReD_X> -_-
[04:07] <kahuna_> you don't need the JDK
[04:07] <kahuna_> unless you want to develop Java of course :)
[04:07] <skalpel> does anyone know of a way to move the system tray in gnome?
[04:07] <chiisai> topyli, alsa-driver-1.0.9b
[04:07] <teferi> woo, linux-image-2.6.12-5 and STILL no linux-restricted-modules
[04:07] <|rockinnerd|> wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[04:07] <gypsymauro> enyc_: what do u mean
[04:07] <chiisai> topyli, Where can I get those?
[04:07] <ToRTuReD_X> RPM?
[04:07] <teferi> skalpel: it's just another applet, right-click on the handle, unlock it, and then just drag it around
[04:07] <kahuna_> use the bin ToRTuReD_X.
[04:07] <skalpel> thanks
[04:07] <enyc_> gyps: I mean, using DirectFB interface instead of X11 interfacer
[04:08] <ToRTuReD_X> kahuna_,  both are bins
[04:08] <kahuna_> Just follow the instructions on ubuntugiude.com
[04:08] <ToRTuReD_X> now i have to do all this crap again
[04:08] <kahuna_> Yes, but the self-installing executable ends in .bin
[04:08] <topyli> chiisai: add breezy or debian unstable sources (deb-src) to sources.list
[04:08] <skalpel> gnome is awesome
[04:08] <topyli> chiisai: then use apt to build
[04:08] <enyc_> oops weong channel people ;p sorry
[04:08] <skalpel> ubuntu is awesome
[04:08] <skalpel> in, also, i love you all this much <3
[04:08] <james> Hi all, i remembder install a architecture specific kernel before.... Is there any info ouyt there on doing this, do i need to on hoary?
[04:08] <kahuna_> the Redhat installer ends in .rpm of course, but that's not the one you want
[04:09] <topyli> chiisai: consult the apt-howto
[04:09] <nothingsometing> this might be the wrong thing to ask but....is there an easy to get a web cam hooked up via usb???
[04:09] <ToRTuReD_X> ok
[04:09] <|rockinnerd|> possibly
[04:09] <|rockinnerd|> possibly no
[04:09] <|rockinnerd|> t
[04:09] <ToRTuReD_X> smoke time while i wait
[04:09] <|rockinnerd|> it all depends on the webcam,
[04:09] <nothingsometing> meaning
[04:09] <Xyc0> I need help setting up my soundcard.  It is detected, but when I try test sounds I hear nothing.  everything in alsamixer is unmuted and full volume.
[04:09] <|rockinnerd|> and whether it's supported lin linux
[04:09] <chiisai> topyli, okay, thanks .)
[04:09] <|rockinnerd|> Xyc0, is PCM turned up?
[04:10] <nothingsometing> ok.....
[04:10] <Xyc0> |rockinnerd|: PCM?
[04:10] <mpmc> LOL
[04:10] <nothingsometing> it's a lodgtech quickcam
[04:10] <kahuna_> you have the speakers plugged in to the out jack right? :)
[04:10] <topyli> chiisai: something like 'apt-get build-depend alsa ; apt-get build alsa"
[04:10] <|rockinnerd|> PCM = sounds that your computer makes, its an entry in alsacfg
[04:10] <Xyc0> it is a laptop
[04:10] <|rockinnerd|> s/alsaconfig/alsamixer
[04:11] <nothingsometing> so what if it is soupported in lunix
[04:11] <kahuna_> I see
[04:11] <nothingsometing> let's say it is
[04:11] <skalpel> does anyone know the name of the thunderbird executable?
[04:11] <kahuna_> Xyc0: do you have a function key for speaker volume? Check that first
[04:11] <mpmc> !thunderbird
[04:11] <ubotu> I don't know, mpmc
[04:11] <mpmc> !info linux
[04:11] <mpmc> !linux
[04:11] <ubotu> somebody said linux was the kernel (core) of the Ubuntu operating system. Ubuntu is only one version of the GNU/Linux operating system. For more information on Linux in general, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
[04:11] <nothingsometing> do i neeed to get the drivers in for lunix ...right , then what do i do with them
[04:11] <Xyc0> kahuna_: I played around with them to make sure I didn't accidently mute them, no luck
[04:12] <apokryphos> mozilla-thunderbird, perhaps>?
[04:12] <skalpel> thank you
[04:12] <nothingsometing> will ubuntu be nice like  windows and ask for the drivers
[04:12] <nothingsometing> ???
[04:12] <mpmc> I's Linux!
[04:12] <skalpel> no, that is not it
[04:12] <apokryphos> nothingsometing: no. It detects automatically ;-)
[04:12] <kahuna_> linux is not like windows.
[04:12] <kahuna_> and that's a good thing :)
[04:12] <nothingsometing> lol
[04:12] <nothingsometing> true
[04:12] <mpmc> I meant the spelling..
[04:12] <nothingsometing> but it would be nice if it asked for the drivers or something
[04:13] <turkuaz> has anyone tested vista b1..
[04:13] <Xyc0> |rockinnerd|: What entry for PCM do I look for in alsa.conf?
[04:13] <kahuna_> why? Hotplud automatically detects everything.
[04:13] <apokryphos> nothingsometing: why? Waste of time
[04:13] <Xyc0> Windows doesn't ask for driver...
[04:13] <TenPlus1> is it easy enough to re-partition a windows drive and have a dual-boot installation of Ubuntu ?
[04:13] <kahuna_> Anything not detected you'll load a module for in /etc/modules
[04:13] <nothingsometing> so what will haoppen if it's lunix capable?
[04:14] <nothingsometing> do i need to mount he webcam
[04:14] <nothingsometing> the*
[04:14] <abisen> what source should i add on my machine so that i can install sun-jdk-1.5 etc..
[04:14] <Efwis> ok, I have a intersting issue with Kubuntu. installed on seperate HDD from Windows XP, using Grub windows has to be booted 3 or 4 times just to get started. any ideas?
[04:14] <kahuna_> then it's not linux capable... that's it. You can ask the manufacturer to release specs, or buy new hardware
[04:14] <abisen> i mean to say apt with ubuntu hoary
[04:14] <kahuna_> abisen: you have to download it by hand
[04:15] <Xyc0> |rockinnerd|: did I loose you?
[04:15] <samuel> hello all
[04:15] <james> I have an AMD chip, what specific kernel do i need?
[04:15] <zAo^> lo
[04:15] <skalpel> is the tunderbird mail client in synaptic package manager?
[04:15] <kahuna_> it's non-free and sun makes you agree to a license to download it
[04:15] <zAo^> james, -K7
[04:15] <nothingsometing> so i guess that means i don't need to mount the webcam right
[04:15] <abisen> kahuna_, and what about acrobat 7 reader
[04:15] <zAo^> skalpel, yes it is
[04:15] <james> zAo^: wheere do i find it! :)
[04:16] <kahuna_> I think that's the same deal abisen, but I don't have it so I'm not sure :)
[04:16] <abisen> kahuna_, in ubuntuguide.org it says sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5\
[04:16] <zAo^> james, "sudo synaptic" search for image
[04:16] <nothingsometing> what about code weavers............ would that work if it was for windows
[04:17] <anderson_> anyone using qemu 0.71 +kqemu
[04:17] <topyli> james: linux-image-k6 or k7, i forget which is there
[04:17] <kahuna_> abisen: huh. Maybe sun-jre is in marillat or something.
[04:17] <anderson_> I got the error: kqemu: module license 'unspecified' taints kernel.
[04:17] <anderson_> kqemu: Unknown symbol __PAGE_KERNEL_EXEC
[04:17] <samuel> id like to get glom for my debian system, could someone plz let me know the rep that the debs for glom are in?
[04:17] <kahuna_> I just install it by hand cause I have way too much stuff that depends on specific java versions
[04:18] <|rockinnerd|> Xyc0, sry
[04:18] <|rockinnerd|> run alsamixer
[04:18] <kahuna_> sun-jre is *not* in any official ubuntu repository
[04:18] <abisen> kahuna_, do you have this repository added in your apt deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[04:18] <TenPlus1> Is it possible to write to NTFS partitions on a normal Ubuntu install, or do I need to install a separate prog ?
[04:18] <topyli> abisen: deb http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/ hoary java
[04:18] <kahuna_> abisen: nope.
[04:19] <abisen> kahuna_, it's displayed in ubuntuguide.org but is not working ...
[04:19] <crimsun> TenPlus1: it's not possible by default.
[04:19] <sJaM> I wouldn't try writing to a ntfs partition TenPlus1
[04:19] <abisen> topyli, thanks lemme check if it works
[04:19] <sJaM> not at the moment
[04:19] <TenPlus1> sJaM: problems ???
[04:19] <topyli> abisen: it did at one time, don't know about today :)
[04:19] <sJaM> yes
[04:19] <nothingsometing> ok ok ok  what if i found the drivers for my web cam on driverguide.com cauld i get my webcam to work with lunix then????
[04:20] <kahuna_> I always manage Java myself. I never trust a package manager to upgrade my java because all of my jars dependencies break afte the "auto-upgrade"
[04:20] <tahorg> "I just wanted to say that ubuntu just works here"
[04:20] <topyli> nothingsometing: those are probably windows drivers
[04:20] <kahuna_> nothingsometing: no.
[04:20] <abisen> topyli, thanks it works awesome
[04:20] <topyli> kahuna_: yep, java-package does the trick
[04:20] <kahuna_> good deal then
[04:20] <chiisai> When I try to run ./configure, it starts checking for gcc, but can't find it. How do I fix this?
[04:20] <TenPlus1> sJaM: if I re-format the ntfs partition to say, ext2... can I get windows to read it ???
[04:20] <kahuna_> install gcc
[04:21] <chiisai> You mean, gcc isn't included by default?
[04:21] <skalpel> damn, can someoen tell me how to replace the systray if i accidentally remove it from the bar?
[04:21] <abisen> could somebody also tell me the source to add on apt for adding backports
[04:21] <sJaM> no
[04:21] <kahuna_> TenPlus1: no
[04:21] <sJaM> you should make a fat partition
[04:21] <TenPlus1> tick with fat32 then ??
[04:21] <sJaM> yes
[04:21] <crimsun> chiisai: install build-essential
[04:21] <topyli> chiisai: install build-essential and get everything you need to build stuff
[04:21] <topyli> heh
[04:21] <TenPlus1> a 90gig fat32 partition... ouch!
[04:21] <chiisai> topyli, crimsun: thanks .)
[04:22] <|rockinnerd|> uh... i'm trying to add bootsplash, but ubuntu already has an initrd. help?
[04:22] <chiisai> I thought gcc and standard build tools was pretty standard
[04:22] <kahuna_> chiisai: fore developers they are.
[04:22] <topyli> chiisai: not needed for regular desktops
[04:22] <kahuna_> How many user desktops do you see with a compiler?
[04:22] <kahuna_> :P
[04:22] <topyli> i see many ;)
[04:22] <sJaM> no
[04:22] <skalpel> damn, can someoen tell me how to replace the systray if i accidentally remove it from the bar?
[04:22] <sJaM> you could just make a small fat32 partition
[04:23] <sJaM> to share your files
[04:23] <|rockinnerd|> skalpel, rt-click, add to panel
[04:23] <tommorris> there is no such thing as a small FAT32 partition.
[04:23] <kahuna_> skalpel: It's just a gnome applet. Right click on the bar and choose add applet
[04:23] <TenPlus1> sJaM: unfortunately it has to be that big... lot of music / movies
[04:23] <sJaM> there is no such thing as a big FAT32 partition
[04:23] <samuel> id like to get glom for my debian system, could someone plz let me know the rep that the debs for glom are in?
[04:23] <|rockinnerd|> samuel, try adding universe and multiverse
[04:24] <|rockinnerd|> if they havent been added yet
[04:24] <sJaM> you can read ext2 with windows
[04:24] <sJaM> with a program
[04:24] <topyli> explore2fs
[04:24] <TenPlus1> will it let me write too ?
[04:24] <topyli> no
[04:24] <samuel> |rockinnerd|, would that be "deb http://www.ubuntu.org universe" sort of thing?
[04:24] <TenPlus1> are their any partitions that linux and windows can both read and write too ???
[04:24] <topyli> TenPlus1: but you can read ntfs from linux :)
[04:24] <|rockinnerd|> yes
[04:24] <sJaM> vfat
[04:25] <topyli> which is fat32
[04:25] <samuel> |rockinnerd|, thanks
[04:25] <sJaM> idd
[04:25] <|rockinnerd|> TenPlus1, vfat, fat, or if you're feeling lucky, ntfs BUT you can lose data
[04:25] <`saiko> umm a quick question
[04:25] <sJaM> but only non-windows os can produce fat32 partitions bigger than 32 mb
[04:25] <TenPlus1> hmm, looks like fat32 is the one to go for...
[04:25] <sJaM> but only non-windows os can produce fat32 partitions bigger than 32 gb
[04:25] <`saiko> how to check what's my network interface?
[04:25] <|rockinnerd|> ifconfig
[04:27] <Kmorph> Skalpel::I assume you are using KDE , so simply right click on the <panel> and select <add -> applet->systray>
[04:27] <`saiko> ea but how to see the brand /model of the nic?
[04:27] <skalpel> can i change the way the 'show desktop' button on the taskbar appears as a raised button?
[04:27] <topyli> `saiko: lspci
[04:28] <topyli> `saiko: your nick sucks on a scandinavian keyboard :)
[04:28] <|rockinnerd|> help i can't patch my kernel with the bootsplash patch/
[04:29] <kahuna_> I'm getting a Not Authenticated message in synaptic after upgrading to Hoary From Warty. I assume that I don't have the correct keys. Where and how can I get them
[04:29] <|rockinnerd|> chek the wiki
[04:29] <topyli> kahuna_: i think synaptic can fetch them for you. not sure
[04:30] <topyli> in the repositories dialog
[04:30] <kahuna_> I'll check that out
[04:30] <samuel> i added "deb http://www.ubuntu.org/ universe main" to my sources.list, but this isnt correct, what is please?
[04:30] <|rockinnerd|> samuel, use synaptic
[04:30] <Renski> Whats uudecode?
[04:30] <TenPlus1> wow, almost all questions answered... thx guys
[04:30] <kahuna_> the new xfce looks damn nice
[04:31] <skalpel> kmorph: actually i am using gnome, and i dont see system tray under applets
[04:31] <samuel> |rockinnerd|, i still need the correct line in my sources.list file though (i dont have it, i run debian)
[04:31] <skalpel> k, nm
[04:31] <topyli> samuel: archive.ubuntu.com
[04:31] <TenPlus1> last one... Q.) Will Ubuntu let me share my internet connection with another pc using windows ???
[04:31] <topyli> yes
[04:31] <samuel> topyli, aaa, thanks
[04:31] <topyli> TenPlus1: A.) yes :)
[04:32] <TenPlus1> topyli: any prog I need, or will it let me do it just using Ubuntu itself ?
[04:32] <thoreauputic> skalpel: you might need "notification area"
[04:32] <topyli> TenPlus1: are the boxes networked now?
[04:32] <|rockinnerd|> samuel, brb
[04:32] <TenPlus1> topyli: yes, using WinXP (retch!!!)
[04:32] <thoreauputic> skalpel: same function, different name
[04:32] <skalpel> ah, ok. when i try to load that applet i get an error, and it asks me if i want to delete that applet from my bar
[04:33] <thoreauputic> skalpel: it probably already exists on your panel ;)
[04:33] <TenPlus1> topyli: Main PC using Wireless PCI card, sharing internet and files with laptop using Wireless PCMCIA card and WinXP...
[04:33] <topyli> TenPlus1: i have a linux box on the net, a win box connected to that. the linux firewall shares the connection
[04:33] <TenPlus1> topyli: linux firewall ???
[04:33] <topyli> TenPlus1: iptables, configured with Firestarter
[04:34] <|rockinnerd|> http://chrisslack.homelinux.net/myubuntu.list
[04:34] <TenPlus1> ohhh, kewl :) thx topyil
[04:34] <|rockinnerd|> ^^ for samuel, my ubuntu /etc/apt/sources.lst
[04:34] <TenPlus1> will have to look into that and see how to do it
[04:34] <topyli> TenPlus1: so, eth0 is the evil Net, eth1 is the lan with the windows
[04:35] <TenPlus1> so eth1 will be my wireless card...
[04:35] <topyli> TenPlus1: firestarter has a simple wizard to let you share the connection and set up dhcp
[04:35] <skalpel> is there anyway to make the switching windows applet and show desktop applet transparent?
[04:35] <topyli> TenPlus1: if you want dhcp. you could use static IP's too
[04:35] <thoreauputic> skalpel: not AFAIK
[04:35] <samuel> |rockinnerd|, thanks so much
[04:36] <Random_Sindrom> how nautilus windows can be transparent?
[04:36] <skalpel> AFAIK?
[04:36] <thoreauputic> As Far As I Know
[04:36] <TenPlus1> topyli: will need DCHP to auto-detect cable modem, and prolly use static for home network , kewlness
[04:36] <poningru> yeah I wanna know this too
[04:36] <topyli> TenPlus1: i use static IP's because the client is win98. dhcp may be easier with 2k and xp
[04:36] <h08817> i have a little problem
[04:36] <h08817> my computer randomly shutsdown while i am online
[04:36] <h08817> i am on windows of course
[04:36] <TenPlus1> thx topyli... loads of help :)
[04:36] <poningru> how can you make the nautilus window be transparent?
[04:36] <TenPlus1> cya peeps :) am off to install Ubuntu :D
[04:37] <thoreauputic> h08817: #windows ;)
[04:37] <poningru> TenPlus1: cya dude
[04:37] <h08817> thanks
[04:37] <godzirra> Hrm.. what package do I need to install to get the awesome matrix screensaver I had before?  It seems to have gone away when I installed Ubuntu as a "server"
[04:38] <thoreauputic> godzirra: it should be one of the screensavers in xscreensaver
[04:38] <godzirra> ok.. thanks.
[04:38] <djfm> hi
[04:38] <h08817> godzirra: u got it to work?
[04:38] <godzirra> h08817: Got what to work?
[04:38] <h08817> godzirra: how long did ur install take?
[04:38] <godzirra> My install?  Like 20 minutes?
[04:38] <godzirra> if that
[04:38] <h08817> i tried server and my comp is gay about it
[04:39] <h08817> what kind do u have like a new or older comp
[04:39] <h08817> i have been stuck on the installing kernel for hours
[04:39] <godzirra> laptop
[04:39] <godzirra> umm...  one sec.
[04:39] <godzirra> lemme find a link
[04:39] <h08817> and my computer is still clicking
[04:39] <chiisai> checking for kernel version... The file /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h does not exist. Please, install the package with full kernel sources for your distribution or use --with-kernel=dir option to specify another directory with kernel sources (default is /usr/src/linux).
[04:39] <chiisai> I'm trying to compile alsa-drivers, but configure is giving me that error. How do I fix this?
[04:39] <godzirra> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51942
[04:39] <godzirra> thats what I used to install my server.
[04:40] <godzirra> are you compiling the kernel?
[04:40] <h08817> no
[04:40] <godzirra> then there's something wrong with your install.
[04:40] <h08817> i am jsut installing hte base system as a server
[04:40] <godzirra> unless you're using like, a 286 or something.
[04:40] <h08817> not that old
[04:40] <h08817> my regular install is fine i know for sure but not sure about server install
[04:40] <topyli> chiisai: you need the kernel sources. or at least the headers
[04:41] <chiisai> I got them.
[04:41] <djfm> I'm looking for an alternative to rhythmbox who periodically Segfaults on my computer.. any idea?
[04:41] <thoreauputic> dj28: beep media player, or muine or amarok or .... I like streamtuner + beep-media-player
[04:41] <thoreauputic> + stremripper :)
[04:41] <thoreauputic> *streamripper
[04:41] <topyli> chiisai: do you have /usr/src/linux? it should be a symlink to your real sources
[04:41] <godzirra> thoreauputic: It says "matrixview" is not installed when I go into the xscreensaver settings.
[04:42] <thoreauputic> godzirra: hmm - hang on a second
[04:42] <kahuna_> solved my key problem by re-importing the Ubuntu Archive signing key. Wierd cause it's the same key, yet it worked by re-importing it.
[04:42] <godzirra> I did an apt-cache search on it and got rss-glx as the packages...
[04:42] <godzirra> so i'm trying to install that.
[04:42] <chiisai> topyli, no, I don't have it. I dunno where my real sources are
[04:42] <godzirra> yup. that was it.
[04:43] <topyli> chiisai: should be /usr/src/linux-<version>
[04:43] <thoreauputic> godzirra: odd, I have xmatrix and matrixview here...
[04:43] <|rockinnerd|> something's wrong with my alsa because i always get this high-pitched squeak with every sound
[04:43] <godzirra> Darnit.. matrix view isnt the one... the one I'm thinking of had pictures appear out of the matrix...
[04:43] <|rockinnerd|> topyli, apt-get install linux-sources
[04:43] <thoreauputic> godzirra:  locate xscreensaver | grep matrix
[04:43] <skalpel> does anyone know why i would be unable to load an app in my taskbar?
[04:43] <thoreauputic> godzirra: maybe not an xscreensaver then
[04:44] <godzirra> I'm pretty sure when I installed ubuntu in non-server mode it had it.
[04:44] <godzirra> i.e. when it was using gnome.
[04:44] <|rockinnerd|> skalpel, b/c it's not in the menu
[04:44] <chiisai> Argh T___T: configure: error: You have built-in ALSA in your kernel.   May I kill myself now? How am I supposed to load alsa-drivers for my integrated Intel HDA?
[04:44] <|rockinnerd|> alsaconfig
[04:45] <|rockinnerd|> alsacfg maybe iirc
[04:45] <xNinja> hello...
[04:45] <skalpel> |rockinerd|: not in the menu? how would i be able to select it then? it is the stickynotes app
[04:45] <xNinja> how many packages ubuntu has ? same as debian ?
[04:45] <Ocid> godzirra: cmatrix - Console Matrix simulates the display from "The Matrix" maybe?
[04:45] <Burgundavia> xNinja, yes
[04:45] <thoreauputic> godzirra: was it some kind of screen grab option perhaps?
[04:46] <topyli> chiisai: hrm. killing self not allowed. but you need to build another kernel i suppose
[04:46] <xNinja> Burgundavia nice nice thanks
[04:46] <godzirra> Ocid: I'm not sure.. it was just the screensaver that happened by default when I did a standard install with nothing special.
[04:46] <chiisai> topyli, ...just to get some modules? snd-azx is what I want
[04:46] <thoreauputic> xNinja: about 16 000 with multiverse and universe
[04:47] <godzirra> it booted up gdm, I logged in, and after sitting there a minute it booted up a matrix screen saver that had pictures emerge and remerge back into the matrix.
[04:47] <chiisai> ...
[04:47] <xNinja> ok...why using ubuntu not debian ?
[04:47] <Ocid> godzirra: that just came up with: apt-cache search screensaver | grep matrix
[04:47] <Ocid> dunno if it's right, i don't have X at all
[04:48] <skalpel> does anyone know why i would be unable to load an app in my taskbar?
[04:48] <ventzo> hi everybody
[04:48] <topyli> chiisai: the only way that comes to mind right now :(
[04:48] <skalpel> or to add an app to my panel, i should say
[04:48] <xNinja> hi ventzo
[04:48] <thoreauputic> skalpel: ? does not compute - please rephrase
[04:48] <topyli> heh
[04:48] <skalpel> i want to add the stickynotes app to my panel but am unable to
[04:48] <Renski> say I want to install lex with apt-get, how would I go about finding out the package name for it?
[04:48] <|rockinnerd|> something's wrong with my alsa because i always get this high-pitched squeak with every sound
[04:48] <chiisai> topyli, I just found this howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HdaIntelSoundHowto :)
[04:49] <|rockinnerd|> apt-get search lex
[04:49] <chiisai> That will probably work.
[04:49] <ToRTuReD_X> where do i extract limewire to?
[04:49] <MartenH> How can you open several terminals as "tabs" in one window instead of them beeing separate windows?
[04:49] <topyli> chiisai: much cooler :)
[04:49] <MartenH> Like here: http://www.reactionnetworks.com/reactScreenshot.png
[04:49] <concept10> skalpel, right click panel and select add to panel
[04:49] <thoreauputic> MartenH: right click in the window, open tab
[04:49] <skalpel> i did
[04:49] <skalpel> i get an error message from gnome
[04:49] <MartenH> thoreauputic: ty
[04:49] <thoreauputic> :)
[04:49] <concept10> what error
[04:49] <skalpel> for some reason based on the behavior of my gnomebar i think it has something to do with my sytray
[04:50] <Renski> |rockinnerd|: E: Invalid operation search
[04:50] <concept10> skalpel, what error
[04:50] <Ocid> Renski: apt-cache search lex
[04:50] <godzirra> Ocid: nope.. thats not it either.
[04:50] <thoreauputic> Renski: apt-cache search
[04:50] <skalpel> the panel encountered a problem while loading OAFID:GNOME_stickynotesapplet
[04:50] <skalpel> then it asks me if i want to delete the app from my config
[04:50] <skalpel> i get two error message boxes at the same time.
[04:51] <thoreauputic> skalpel: sounds like a bug...
[04:51] <|rockinnerd|> --search
[04:51] <godzirra> thoreauputic: There's another xscreensaver called "glmatrix" that says its not installed either.
[04:53] <topyli> skalpel: try 'killall gnome-panel' and let it respawn
[04:53] <skalpel> alright
[04:53] <thoreauputic> godzirra: apt-cache search xscreensaver  - there are a few alternatives I think: apt-cache show to check them out
[04:53] <skalpel> heh. it has not respawned. =)
[04:53] <|rockinnerd|> gnome-panel
[04:54] <skalpel> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[04:54] <skalpel> Xlib: No protocol specified
[04:54] <skalpel> (gnome-panel:4195): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[04:54] <godzirra> Hrm... maybe it is matrixview.  For some reason its so much slower when I installed "Server" than it was when I installed the "standard" way
[04:54] <thoreauputic> godzirra: different machine? different graphics card?
[04:55] <|rockinnerd|> how do you install the electric sheep screensaver for xscreensaver
[04:55] <effowe> hey i have a quick question about partitioning, is the root partition the primary, and everything else logical?
[04:55] <godzirra> Same machine.
[04:55] <ToRTuReD_X> ubuntu is a debian "based" distro right?
[04:55] <godzirra> its a laptop.
[04:55] <|rockinnerd|> ToRTuReD_X, yes
[04:55] <godzirra> I think I'm going to get rid of my server install and do a standard install.
[04:55] <ToRTuReD_X> k
[04:55] <ToRTuReD_X> thanks
[04:55] <skalpel> what should i do now that i cannot start gnome-panel?
[04:55] <|rockinnerd|> effowe, no
[04:56] <skalpel> i do not want to restart
[04:56] <Amaranth> ToRTuReD_X: Don't mix Debian and Ubuntu repositories.
[04:56] <topyli> skalpel: that's weird. perhaps you have to kill X and pray while logging in again
[04:56] <thoreauputic> |rockinnerd|: you apt-get install electricsheep
[04:56] <|rockinnerd|> thx
[04:56] <ToRTuReD_X> ack
[04:56] <ToRTuReD_X> how do i know if i want amule stable or cvs?
[04:56] <skalpel> perhaps
[04:56] <python> effowe: Usually this is the way to do it
[04:56] <thoreauputic> skalpel: log out  and in again
[04:56] <python> However having two prmiary partitions wouldnt hurt either
[04:57] <skalpel> fine. *sigh*
[04:57] <topyli> skalpel: you can still try starting gnome-panel from the alt-F2 dialog
[04:57] <selinium> any one got a good sources.list i can have?
[04:57] <effowe> python: i see you say this is the way to do it.. but i didnt see anything after that?
[04:57] <skalpel> i do not have an f2 dialogue
[04:57] <skalpel> i am using gnome
[04:57] <effowe> python: oh nevermind heh
[04:57] <thoreauputic> skalpel: alt-F2
[04:57] <topyli> skalpel: perhaps the panel needs to be running for that to work :)
[04:58] <python> Logicals come into play as you can only have amximum of 4 primary partitions
[04:58] <skalpel> haha yes
[04:58] <skalpel> i will just logout and in
[04:58] <topyli> |rockinnerd|: try and snap out of it :)
[04:58] <|rockinnerd|> haha
[04:58] <effowe> python: ok thanks
[04:58] <|rockinnerd|> touch: cannot touch `my_ass': Permission denied
[04:59] <topyli> |rockinnerd|: your ass seems to be 0wnd by someone else
[04:59] <|rockinnerd|> again, haha
[05:00] <godzirra> Is there a way to -not- install gnome?
[05:00] <hondje> godzirra: doing a 'server' install
[05:00] <|rockinnerd|> godzirra, if you only want kde, get kubuntu
[05:00] <Amaranth> Doing a 'server' install pretty much installs just enough to make the machine bootable (no X, etc).
[05:00] <topyli> i thought not installing gnome is illegal in most countries
[05:01] <godzirra> |rockinnerd|: dear gods no.
[05:01] <thoreauputic> topyli: you are thinking of Windows Xp ;P
[05:01] <godzirra> I want fluxbox.
[05:01] <topyli> hehe
[05:01] <godzirra> how do I remove gnome then after the fact? :)
[05:01] <|rockinnerd|> server install, apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop
[05:01] <|rockinnerd|> this or that
[05:01] <godzirra> I -want- the desktop.. just not gnome.
[05:01] <python> if i was u godzilla id just do a frsh kubuntu install
[05:01] <Amaranth> godzirra: sudo apt-get remove --purge libgtk2.0-0 should pretty much do it. ;)
[05:01] <godzirra> python: I don't WANT kde.
[05:02] <|rockinnerd|> apt-get install fluxbox
[05:02] <spike> how do I do a netinstall? I've downloaded and written linux and initrd.gz images to disk, but they won't boot
[05:02] <thoreauputic> |rockinnerd|: that won't uninstall gnome -it's a metapackage
[05:02] <|rockinnerd|> ah.
[05:02] <topyli> |rockinnerd|: removing ubuntu-desktop doesn't remove anything else but the metapackage
[05:02] <h08817> what exactly is kde?
[05:02] <godzirra> |rockinnerd|: ok, I know how to do that..  I want to uninstall gnome though, because I won't -ever- be using it.
[05:02] <thoreauputic> ie ubuntu-desktop
[05:02] <spike> it tells me "it's deprecated" and that I need a bootloader
[05:02] <|rockinnerd|> godzirra: do a server-install
[05:02] <Amaranth> godzirra: sudo apt-get remove --purge libgtk2.0-0 should pretty much do it. ;)
[05:03] <python> ever tht of linux from scratch?
[05:03] <godzirra> |rockinnerd|: I did that before, and for some reason things are running ridiculously slow...
[05:03] <|rockinnerd|> wAAAAy too slow
[05:03] <|rockinnerd|> ^^ LFS
[05:03] <godzirra> Granted I'm only benchmarking that from the screensaver I had running...
[05:03] <godzirra> but now it takes like 3 minutes for the screensaver to fully cover the screen... standard install it was like 2 seconds.
[05:03] <Amaranth> python: Just because he doesn't want GNOME or KDE doesn't mean he needs to use LFS.
[05:03] <|rockinnerd|> godzirra, u probably need the nvidia-glx if you need the nvidia driver
[05:03] <kahuna_> try wmaker or xfce
[05:04] <|rockinnerd|> or kde for that matter
[05:04] <godzirra> Its an ATI card.
[05:04] <python> I suppose Amaranth i just suggesting alternatives
[05:04] <|rockinnerd|> godzirra: check the wiki
[05:04] <|rockinnerd|> search for graphics driver
[05:04] <kahuna_> I have xfce on an old PII 400 notebook. Works very nice
[05:04] <kahuna_> no gnome stuff at all because I did a custom install
[05:04] <godzirra> Wow.  Searching for ATI so doesnt work
[05:04] <godzirra> Its amazingh how may words have the letters "ATI" in them
[05:05] <godzirra> damnit.. rockinnerd left.
[05:06] <godzirra> What am I supposed to be checking the wiki for?
[05:06] <h08817> OK
[05:06] <Ocid> !display
[05:06] <ubotu> [display]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto or ask !Resolution
[05:06] <Ocid> !binary drivers
[05:06] <ubotu> Ocid: Are you smoking crack?
[05:06] <Ocid> heh
[05:06] <h08817> i just want a plain guide i can download onto my computer (windows) to learn everything possible about linux before i use it
[05:06] <h08817> besides the ubuntu guide
[05:06] <nightswim> why isnt "lame" apt-getable
[05:06] <Ocid> !ATI
[05:07] <ubotu> from memory, ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:07] <h08817> on that offshore website
[05:07] <h08817> whatever
[05:07] <h08817> a good guide that makes sense to noobs would be nice
[05:07] <kahuna_> h08817: try O'reilly. They have plenty of free books about running linux.
[05:08] <kahuna_> h08817: In fact I think the debina-centric "Running Linux" book is free
[05:08] <h08817> room is going down
[05:08] <kahuna_> nope. just a teeny netsplit
[05:08] <godzirra> umm.. Isnt it odd that I don't have a /proc/pci ?
[05:08] <h08817> o ok
[05:08] <Ocid> ubotu: tell godzirra about ATI
[05:08] <topyli> h08817: read the debian docs
[05:08] <kahuna_> godzirra: nope. you have a /proc/bus/pi
[05:08] <h08817> i hope no one is using for their advantage
[05:08] <kahuna_> pci
[05:08] <python> <<why does my user name appear grey
[05:08] <h08817> dunno
[05:09] <h08817> topyli: where are the debian docs
[05:09] <kahuna_> the proc filesystem was rewritten
[05:09] <jeff_hann_> python:what client?
[05:09] <python> on here when i type a message my name is grey
[05:10] <jeff_hann_> ok....what client are you using?
[05:10] <python> C-Chat
[05:10] <python> X-Chat
[05:10] <godzirra> Ahh.. ok.
[05:10] <kahuna_> Well my name is white when I type! Damn it!!!
[05:10] <jeff_hann_> lol
[05:10] <python> lol
[05:10] <kahuna_> What am I doing wrong?
[05:11] <godzirra> kahuna_: How do I see a list of my pci devices?  Its not in /proc/bus/pci/devices :)
[05:11] <python> ive never used X chat before
[05:11] <kahuna_> lspci
[05:11] <jeff_hann_> x-chat shows your nick differently to show it's yours
[05:11] <kahuna_> you might need pciutils
[05:11] <python> tht it might be comething like tht but wsnt to sure
[05:11] <jeff_hann_> it sure is
[05:11] <godzirra> Ahh. ok
[05:11] <thoreauputic> godzirra:  lspci
[05:12] <redtech> good morning party people
[05:12] <kahuna_> hi
[05:12] <Belutz> i attached my CDROM on RAID IDE, and ubuntu live CD can't detect it... how do i resolve this? the mobo manufacturer doesn't supply the linux driver for RAID
[05:12] <python> Are there any Uk Ubuntu Users in here?
[05:12] <godzirra> Hrm.  I get this:  "FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko): No such device"
[05:13] <bob2> godzirra: then you don't have hardware that it works with
[05:13] <thoreauputic> python: Ukrainian ? < g >
[05:13] <godzirra> Ok.. then it goes back to why when I did a standard install does my screensaver work at lightning speed... when I did a server install it crawls about 10 times slower.
[05:14] <bob2> do you have a rdaeon <= 9200?
[05:14] <godzirra> IGP 340M
[05:14] <thoreauputic> godzirra: does your fluxbox take ages to load too ?
[05:14] <godzirra> thoreauputic: Yes
[05:14] <h08817> well i guess linux doesn't like me
[05:15] <thoreauputic> godzirra: you have the "not compiled with --disable-xmb" bug
[05:15] <holycow> h08817, your still fighting with the install?
[05:15] <thoreauputic> godzirra: it's a fluxbox bug
[05:15] <h08817> yes
[05:15] <h08817> any ideas
[05:15] <holycow> you know i just ran into a mobo that the di cannot handle
[05:15] <holycow> yes, buy another mobo
[05:15] <godzirra> thoreauputic: what does that mean and how do I fix it?
[05:15] <kahuna_> h08817: Linux HATES you!
[05:15] <kahuna_> :-P
[05:15] <h08817> thanks
[05:15] <holycow> sometimes that simply is the answer
[05:16] <holycow> we build our own systems, and we specifically build them by purchasing for the chipset first and then adding the other stuff around that
[05:16] <thoreauputic> godzirra: atm you have to compile fluxbox yourself to fix it - I can tell you about it in /msg if you wish
[05:16] <h08817> i guess i'll have to stick with microshit windows
[05:16] <kahuna_> Of course if you give it a back massage every night, it might *start* to like you :)
[05:16] <brodo> can someone help me to get skype running?
[05:16] <godzirra> Please?
[05:16] <thoreauputic> godzirra: i had the same issue
[05:16] <holycow> h08817, on some mobos, yep, on this machine i haveto install win2k, di will simply choke for some reason
[05:17] <h08817> what is a mobo?
[05:17] <Efwis> motherboard
[05:17] <brodo> everytime i start is there is the following error msg: skype: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3: cannot open shared o bject file: No such file or directory
[05:17] <h08817> thanks
[05:17] <Nermal> is there an easy way to determine if my glibc has NPTL support enabled?
[05:17] <brodo> how can i download this librarie?
[05:17] <kahuna_> brodo: do you have the qt-libs inststalled?
[05:17] <levander`> Anybody has gotten udftools working?  I get an error no matter what udftools command I run.
[05:18] <brodo> kahuna_, don't know. can i install them with apt-get install qt-libs?
[05:18] <kahuna_> brodo: Just make sure you have qt installed. I'm not sure of the name, use synaptic
[05:18] <jowi> brodo, you need to install the 'libqt3c102-mt' package
[05:18] <kahuna_> but I'm sure it starts with qt*
[05:19] <brodo> kahuna_, ok thx. i try
[05:19] <kahuna_> there you have it, stright from jowi
[05:19] <thoreauputic> godzirra: you saw my /msg ?
[05:19] <Amaranth> finally
[05:19] <Amaranth> I love freenode!
[05:19] <Whistler> me too
[05:19] <zAo^> :)
[05:19] <Whistler> =] 
[05:19] <kahuna_> lol
[05:20] <kahuna_> better than dalnet
[05:20] <Last_in_Line> Hello
[05:20] <zAo^> lo
[05:20] <Amaranth> join throttling should _NOT_ keep channel operators out
[05:20] <zAo^> anyone on Breezy?
[05:20] <Amaranth> me
[05:20] <zAo^> :)
[05:21] <zAo^> What version of Xorg you using?
[05:21] <levander`> Anybody know if I have to patch the latest hoary kernel to get udftools to work?
[05:21] <Amaranth> latest and greatest
[05:21] <nalioth> Amaranth is a dev. He knows what he is doing.
[05:21] <Last_in_Line> I installed Ubuntu the other day & while it looks nice, it sure likes to mess with my mind.
[05:21] <zAo^> can I update Xorg to 7.0?
[05:21] <Amaranth> zAo^: Do you like having Xorg work? Do you like using a keyboard?
[05:21] <zAo^> im on 6.8.2-36 right now
[05:21] <levander`> How can I figure out if the hoary kernel has the packet writing patch applied to it?
[05:22] <zAo^> Amaranth, I like the commadline, but I need X..
[05:22] <Amaranth> levander`: install something that needs it and see what happens?
[05:22] <Amaranth> zAo^: They you're probably better off where you are.
[05:22] <levander`> Amaranth: udftools needs it, it doesn't work, but I'm not sure if its because of that or something else i haven't done.
[05:22] <eth42> synaptic complains "Could not download all repository indexes"
[05:22] <zAo^> Amaranth, thanks
[05:22] <Amaranth> zAo^: I had to grab things from hoary, hack things together, and hunt for packages that nothing depends on but are needed.
[05:22] <eth42> The repository might be no longer available or could not be contacted because of network problems.
[05:22] <Last_in_Line> Anyone know what the default login & pass is for mysql?
[05:23] <xwind> Is version 2 of gramps available for hoary?
[05:23] <eth42> anyone else having those problems?
[05:23] <zAo^> Amaranth, ah. Thanks. I'll stay here for a week or so :)
[05:23] <Whistler> when will new opera be aviable thru apt-get?
[05:23] <zAo^> what will Xorg 7.0 give us anyway?
[05:23] <jcsteele> i am trying to install libdvdcss from the package manager, i am assuming this is maintained in the repository, no?
[05:24] <levander`> Last_in_Line: if you haven't changed anything, I think there's an anonymous user with no password.  Just type mysql from the same machine, and see if you get in.
[05:24] <Amaranth> eth42: us.archive.ubuntu.com is working fine here
[05:24] <Amaranth> jcsteele: it's not
[05:25] <Last_in_Line> ERROR 2002: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
[05:25] <jcsteele> ok then, that would explain things.  I just wanted to make sure as its my first ubuntu install
[05:25] <Whistler> i do sudo apt-get install opera and i can install only 8.01
[05:25] <jcsteele> thx.
[05:25] <eth42> Amaranth: can I change all repositories to us.archive.ubuntu.com at once?
[05:25] <Whistler> when 8.02 will be aviable?
[05:25] <Amaranth> eth42: what are you on now?
[05:25] <Last_in_Line> How about the postsql?
[05:25] <levander`> Last_in_Line: this is a fresh install, or you have been playing with it, configuring users, etc.
[05:25] <zAo^> Whistler, on Hoary?
[05:25] <Whistler> yep
[05:26] <Amaranth> Whistler: I'm not sure where you're getting opera but it's not in Ubuntu repositories.
[05:26] <zAo^> well; it doesnt I think?
[05:26] <zAo^> ^^
[05:26] <eth42> Amaranth: de.ubuntu....
[05:26] <Last_in_Line> Fresh, I have been trying to get egroupware to run on it though
[05:26] <northind> Last_in_Line: seems to me your mysqld is not running
[05:27] <Last_in_Line> It just can't create its database on either sql program
[05:27] <Amaranth> eth42: I'm not good enough at sed hacking to do it automatically, sorry.
[05:27] <Amaranth> eth42: I just tried and wiped out my sources.list file. :)
[05:27] <eth42> Amaranth: ok, now it works.... must have been some temporary error (or maybe because I killed the update applet)
[05:27] <zAo^> Amaranth, whats the best way to get a package in the repos?
[05:27] <Amaranth> zAo^: Opera will never get in.
[05:27] <levander`> Last_in_Line: try this: 'mysql -u root'
[05:27] <eth42> Amaranth: :-) sorry (I could have helped on sed)
[05:27] <zAo^> Amaranth, Its not about Opera :) Klibido is what I want :)
[05:28] <Amaranth> zAo^: Other than that, the best way is to join #ubuntu-motu and start learning how to package things. :)
[05:28] <hopeng> yepee im downloading ubuntu rite now, the guys at #css tells me that ubuntu is good at web deevloping
[05:28] <Amaranth> eth42: I have backups.
[05:28] <Amaranth> :)
[05:28] <brodo> kahuna_, thx 4 your help. it works now.
[05:28] <zAo^> thxn
[05:29] <levander`> Is there some way to talk to the MOTU for udftools.  I've been searching all over the internet, haven't seen anybody get udftools working with hoary, but did find a few people asking how to.
[05:29] <Last_in_Line> same error
[05:29] <thespiritoftal> anyoen knows a nice racing game for ubuntu?
[05:30] <levander`> Last_in_Line: somebody asked you if you were sure mysqld is runnning. Is it?
[05:30] <jcsteele> \
[05:30] <Last_in_Line> I don't know, I have my doubts too
[05:30] <eth42> Amaranth: where are those repository configs located?
[05:30] <Last_in_Line> I'm a windows user.. lol
[05:30] <Amaranth> eth42: /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:30] <eth42> Amaranth: I need to install some software but don't have the cd at hand
[05:30] <eth42> Amaranth: thank you!
[05:30] <levander`> Last_in_Line: 'ps -ef | grep mysql'
[05:30] <thespiritoftal> noone knows some nice games to play in ubuntu?
[05:30] <Earered> thespiritoftal, tuxracer ;)
[05:31] <zAo^> thespiritoftal, free games? Otherwise: Quake, Unreal Tournament?
[05:31] <Last_in_Line> That changed my prompt
[05:31] <kahuna_> I play stepmania
[05:32] <kahuna_> and the various quakes, and doom
[05:32] <rob^> cs works good too
[05:32] <TeraClon> stepmania rocks
[05:32] <rob^> cedega though
[05:32] <kahuna_> TeraClon: What sims do you like to play
[05:32] <northind> Last_in_Line, or do a netstat -lt to see if the mysql daemon is actually listening
[05:33] <Last_in_Line> Does Diablo II work on Ubuntu?
[05:33] <zAo^> kahuna_, where do I download that adaptor? :P
[05:33] <TeraClon> my one
[05:33] <Razor-X> I play Nethack, ToME, UT, and TuxRacer ;)
[05:33] <levander`> Last_in_Line: what? how could ps change your prompt?
[05:33] <TeraClon> my own
[05:33] <kahuna_> Cool.
[05:34] <Last_in_Line> It changed from # to >
[05:34] <ph8> lo all
[05:34] <zAo^> Last_in_Line, `echo $PS1` ?
[05:34] <ph8> I'm just about to install kubuntu o/
[05:34] <Razor-X> Last_in_Line: that means you're still feeding input to the program
[05:34] <nariman> HELP!!!
[05:34] <nariman> :(
[05:34] <ToRTuReD_X> i hate linux
[05:34] <ToRTuReD_X> it's being mean
[05:34] <ph8> ok
[05:34] <ToRTuReD_X> :(
[05:34] <levander`> Last_in_Line: you weren't supposed to type in the '
[05:35] <zAo^> ??
[05:35] <ph8> so i push enter when booted to CD
[05:35] <ph8> and the screen just goes blank
[05:35] <nariman> can some one help me?
[05:35] <ph8> and staya that way?
[05:35] <kahuna_> TeraClon: you play on heavy then? I do heavy ~8 feet. No 9 footers yet.
[05:35] <levander`> Last_in_Line: the 's I put on that command
[05:35] <ph8> * stays
[05:35] <Razor-X> nariman: shoot
[05:35] <ph8> I don't think that's meant to happen?
[05:35] <Amaranth> fans of my last desktop screenshot may enjoy http://www.realistanew.com/desktop2.png
[05:35] <nariman> when i run config
[05:35] <nariman> in the terminal window
[05:35] <TeraClon> yeah i do some 9s and 2 10s
[05:35] <nariman> i get the message
[05:35] <kahuna_> Amaranth: Is it work safe?
[05:35] <levander`> Last_in_Line: Ctrl-C to get out of that, they type 'ps -ef | grep mysql' - without the 's
[05:35] <Amaranth> kahuna_: yes
[05:35] <kahuna_> lol
[05:36] <nariman> "no accepted c-compiler found
[05:36] <levander`> Last_in_Line: no ticks in what you type
[05:36] <northind> Last_in_Line, type a single quote and press enter.
[05:36] <zAo^> Amaranth, like the desktop, but the icons...
[05:36] <Amaranth> Look at the lovely weather we're having here in Iowa!
[05:36] <Razor-X> nariman: ........ is that really that much to sweat over?
[05:36] <Amaranth> zAo^: The icons are breezy default.
[05:36] <nariman> im a newbie so :)
[05:36] <TeraClon> is there a program similar to Sonic Foundreys ACID in linux?
[05:36] <Razor-X> insert your installation CD and type in ``sudo apt-get install build-essentials''
[05:36] <Razor-X> and if you compile regularly
[05:36] <bob2> TeraClon: best if you explain what that program does
[05:36] <kahuna_> What does ACID do? Is it a sequencer.
[05:36] <Razor-X> ``sudo apt-get install automake autoconf''
[05:37] <Razor-X> TeraClon: there are free MIDI Sequencers out there
[05:37] <Amaranth> btw, the woman in that screenshot is the same one that's in http://www.realistanew.com/desktop.png :)
[05:37] <zAo^> Amaranth, hmm. Got Crystal Clear here
[05:37] <Razor-X> not just for Linux, but I don't know how that compares to Acid
[05:37] <TeraClon> It allows people to chop up songs
[05:37] <Amaranth> zAo^: you're on KDE :P
[05:38] <zAo^> Amaranth, nope. Crystal for Gnome ;)
[05:38] <Amaranth> *shudder*
[05:38] <TeraClon> but beat-wise
[05:38] <Last_in_Line> Ok, that seems to have done something
[05:38] <Razor-X> nariman: why do you want to dcc?
[05:38] <levander`> Amaranth: bad girls should never wear plaid, it kind of ruins the whole fantasy for me
[05:38] <kozlyk> can someone give me a hand with my samba server?
[05:38] <nariman> i want to install xmms
[05:38] <bob2> TeraClon: sweep, perhaps
[05:38] <kahuna_> there's nothing like that for linux AFAIK
[05:38] <Razor-X> nariman: sudo apt-get install xmms
[05:38] <Last_in_Line> Does that mean its running now?
[05:39] <kahuna_> Sweep only crossfades and does effects, doesn't it?
[05:39] <nariman> where shall i type that, cant we start a priv chat window
[05:39] <spike> how do I do a netinstall? I've downloaded and written linux and initrd.gz images to disk, but they won't boot. what am I supposed to do? the installation guide on the wiki is almost non-existing
[05:39] <Amaranth> levander`: I like her better with her goth makeup on dressed in black.
[05:39] <Razor-X> kahuna_: does Acid do anything special? Because free MIDI Sequencers have been available for a while
[05:39] <nariman> so many messages in at one time
[05:39] <Belutz> Amaranth: how do i load live CD when my CD-ROM is attached on RAID ?
[05:39] <kahuna_> yup. I like rosegarden the best.
[05:39] <Razor-X> or, I think you people are looking for Audacity
[05:39] <levander`> Last_in_Line: does what mean it's running?
[05:39] <PurpleWurld> total linux n00b need to get  d-link airplus working on ubuntu.  can't get onto the net on that machine w/o it any help?
[05:39] <bob2> spike: those are intended for tftp booting
[05:39] <Amaranth> Belutz: Pray to $DEITY that it works?
[05:39] <Last_in_Line> oops, I tried typing mysql & same error as before
[05:39] <Amaranth> Belutz: I have no idea.
[05:39] <Razor-X> !wireless
[05:39] <ubotu> hmm... wireless is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[05:39] <Razor-X> !ndishowto
[05:39] <PurpleWurld> thx
[05:39] <ubotu> Razor-X: I haven't a clue
[05:39] <Razor-X> grrr ;)
[05:40] <Belutz> Amaranth: hehehe
[05:40] <Last_in_Line> root     19682 19474  0 10:37 pts/0    00:00:00 grep mysql
[05:40] <dabaR> hehe@
[05:40] <levander`> Last_in_Line: what what the output in the last column of that command I gave you.  Last column on every row of the output.
[05:40] <dabaR> hehe@$DEITY
[05:40] <Amaranth> deFrysk: What did dropline do to the etiquette theme?
[05:40] <kahuna_> I thought $DEITY lives in /dev/null
[05:40] <kahuna_> or sometimes $FATE=/dev/random
[05:40] <levander`> Last_in_Line: that's just the process where you were grepping for mysql.  That's not mysql itself
[05:40] <Amaranth> deFrysk: etiquette is hoary default, btw
[05:41] <levander`> Last_in_Line: '/etc/init.d/mysql start' to start mysql, *NO TICKS*
[05:41] <deFrysk> Amaranth, dropline etiquette is much nicer
[05:41] <znh> Hmm.. since I installed kde-devel, I can't run bash scripts such as configure (Segmentation Fault) - How to heal this?
[05:41] <Amaranth> deFrysk: it's all washed out
[05:41] <spike> bob2: oh
[05:41] <Razor-X> any non BASH/KSH/ZSH/xCSH users here?
[05:41] <spike> bob2: ok, I'll look again into boot floppies...
[05:41] <zAo^> sorry, KSH/SH
[05:41] <deFrysk> Amaranth, washed out ?
[05:42] <Amaranth> deFrysk: the colors
[05:42] <ph8> Erm guys, i'm booting to CD (new windows laptop) - pushing enter for full install and it all goes black after initting the kernel
[05:42] <ph8> .. any ideas?
[05:42] <nightswim> Razor-X: what shell are you looking for then? :)
[05:42] <Razor-X> nightswim: was wondering if there were others ;)
[05:42] <Razor-X> how's ZSH then? ;)
[05:42] <kahuna_> I don't use a shell. my shell field in /etc/passwd is /usr/bin/python
[05:42] <nightswim> zsh rocks
[05:42] <Razor-X> I use BASH+esh right now
[05:42] <Last_in_Line> Starting MySQL database server: mysqld...failed.
[05:42] <Last_in_Line>         Please take a look at the syslog.
[05:42] <deFrysk> Amaranth, to me its the best icontheme along with eXperienceCrystal
[05:42] <nightswim> I use zsh
[05:42] <znh> Nobody know how to fix this.. blah then kde-devel is really corrupt
[05:42] <dabaR> there is dash
[05:43] <dabaR> I just saw that the other day.
[05:43] <levander`> Last_in_Line: 'less /var/log/syslog', go all the way to the bottom to find something mysql related
[05:43] <Razor-X> !repos
[05:43] <ubotu> I heard repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:43] <bob2> dash isn't a useful shell
[05:43] <bob2> znh: in breezy?
[05:43] <Razor-X> !tell nariman about repos
[05:43] <znh> bob2: nope i'm in Horay
[05:43] <dabaR> creators would beg to differ:)
[05:43] <kahuna_> I've heard of something called fish too
[05:43] <znh> bob2: *Hoary
[05:43] <bob2> Last_in_Line: what did you change from the defaults?
[05:43] <dabaR> or maybe they wouldnt
[05:43] <eth42> has anyone had problems with DHCP-client so far?
[05:43] <bob2> dash isn't meant as an interactive shell
[05:43] <Razor-X> What are the advantages of zsh over say BASH, if I may ask? ;)
[05:43] <bob2> unless you have very tight constraints
[05:44] <Last_in_Line> Nothing is changed, I haven't got it started yet... lol
[05:44] <levander`> Razor-X: ssh is for remote connections, it's like a secure telnet
[05:44] <bob2> Razor-X: better for scripting, better completion, loadable modules
[05:44] <Razor-X> levander`: I know what ssh is ;0
[05:44] <zAo^> eth42, nope. I only changed the DNS serv
[05:44] <bob2> Last_in_Line: all you've done is install the mysql-server package?
[05:44] <Razor-X> bob2: it's fully compatible with BASH no?
[05:44] <levander`> Razor-X: bash and ssh are two different things, they're apples and oranges
[05:44] <bob2> Razor-X: no
[05:44] <Razor-X> really?
[05:44] <bob2> Razor-X: it's compatible with sh
[05:44] <eth42> I got "No DHCPOFFERS received."
[05:44] <bob2> levander`: zsh != ssh
[05:45] <Razor-X> oh :(
[05:45] <znh> bob2: you might want to change the topic, kde-devel ruins ubuntu hoary
[05:45] <bob2> eth42: breezy?
[05:45] <eth42> now I'm in (and don't know why)
[05:45] <Last_in_Line> and whatever seemed related, along with webmin
[05:45] <Razor-X> I thought it was a BASH superset.... hmmmm
[05:45] <zAo^> bob2, something in /etc/inetd.conf?
[05:45] <eth42> bob2: no hoary
[05:45] <levander`> Razor-X: oh, my bad, i misread
[05:45] <MartenH> what font is used for the ubuntu logo?
[05:45] <bob2> znh: not until you've asked ridell about it and someone else can confirm it
[05:45] <znh> _o_
[05:45] <bob2> Razor-X: it's a superset in the ways that matter
[05:45] <znh> then how to fix this?
[05:45] <Razor-X> bob2: hehe
[05:45] <phixion> its a hand made font MartenH
[05:45] <bob2> znh: what did Riddell suggest earlier?
[05:45] <phixion> not for release atm afaik
[05:45] <Razor-X> only reason is that, BASH scripting tutorials are widely known
[05:45] <znh> bob2: He didn't suggest me yet
[05:45] <simple> hi.. i have Ubuntu installed on /dev/sda3, and i'm int he process of installing gentoo, so far i've got it mounted, basesystem installed, kernel compiled and now i have a boot question
[05:46] <Razor-X> and I use a BASH script to download podcasts
[05:46] <zAo^> how do I refresh /etc/inetd.conf? (sorry used to AIX..)
[05:46] <bob2> znh: where did you file a bug?
[05:46] <Last_in_Line> Jul 28 01:28:57 localhost mysqld_safe[8422] : Fatal error in defaults handling. Program aborted
[05:46] <Last_in_Line> Jul 28 01:28:57 localhost mysqld_safe[8422] : Installation of grant tables failed!
[05:46] <jcsteele> ok, i got libdvdcss2 install, along with vlc and mplayer....both using xvid as the output mode..but dvd playback is horrible.
[05:46] <Razor-X> now esh is compatible with both, but i'm not so sure about zsh in general, i'll just run non-cooperating things in esh then ;)
[05:46] <bob2> Razor-X: scripts that need bash will call bash
[05:46] <Razor-X> bob2: doh!
[05:46] <znh> bob2: file? - well, after I installed kde-devel I'm getting Segmentation Errors in bash scripts such as configure
[05:46] <bob2> if not, they're buggy
[05:46] <simple> grub is installed to the mbr, so would i add /sda1 to /etc/fstab on ubuntu and the boot script in /boot/ or would it be sepereate on the gentoo partition?
[05:46] <Razor-X> haha, that was stupid
[05:46] <jcsteele> is there anything i need to change thats ubuntu/linux specific to improve playback quality?
[05:47] <bob2> znh: and you filed a bug?
[05:47] <znh> bob2: I don't know what you mean by filed
[05:47] <deFrysk> jcsteele, get totem-xine ?
[05:47] <dabaR> simple: I think you are missing what you would like to have done. fstab is for mounting.
[05:47] <bob2> znh: report a bug
[05:47] <znh> bob2: no not yet.. I want to solve this first :-)
[05:47] <jcsteele> deFrysk: no i have not tried that...it offers better playback quality?
[05:47] <deFrysk> to me it does yes
[05:48] <simple> missing what?
[05:48] <Razor-X> are there any nice zsh scripting tutorials out there?
[05:48] <dabaR> simple: + we have no clue how gentoo works, and what it wants.
[05:48] <jcsteele> i will try that then, thx.
[05:48] <dabaR> s/we/I
[05:48] <Last_in_Line> How about that pgsql, how do I make that run?
[05:48] <dabaR> simple: what are you trying to get accomplished, is what I think you are missing.
[05:48] <bob2> Razor-X: www.zsh.org
[05:48] <Last_in_Line> If that will run I'll just take mysql off
[05:48] <bob2> Razor-X: it's just a bourne-compatible shell, with extensions.
[05:49] <bob2> Last_in_Line: sudo aptitude install postgresql
[05:49] <zAo^> bob2, why?
[05:49] <bob2> znh: or just purging kde-devel and everything else it installed
[05:49] <bob2> znh: ?
[05:49] <bob2> bah
[05:49] <bob2> z0?
[05:49] <zAo^> bob2, never reinstall :S use DEBFOSTER
[05:49] <znh> bob2: I forget the --purge
[05:49] <kozlyk> can someone give me a hand with my samba server?
[05:49] <znh> bob2: Is there some way to see what kde-devel depends?
[05:50] <bob2> apt-cache show kde-devel
[05:50] <bob2> and use aptitude in future
[05:50] <Razor-X> znh: I know you can in aptitude, not sure how in apt-get
[05:50] <dabaR> simple: are you trying to add a boot entry for the gentoo?
[05:50] <simple> dabar i don't think so
[05:50] <simple> yeah
[05:50] <dabaR> well, you never said that, at least as far as I can read(which is not much)_
[05:51] <simple> i asked adding an entry to grub?
[05:51] <dabaR> simple: why not just install the gentoo grub to mbr? how does their install work, is it the same as ourse?
[05:52] <dabaR> simple: did you ask on #gentoo? I think they would know this much better.
[05:52] <simple> yeah
[05:52] <simple> i'm going back and fourth
[05:52] <dabaR> ok
[05:52] <simple> ty
[05:52] <jcsteele> deFrysk: that seemed to fix it a good bit...not perfect, but much better than before.  thank you.
[05:52] <dabaR> well, our grub menu is in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:52] <jcsteele> now onto nsv stream playback....
[05:52] <dabaR> that is where I would add something to boot out of.
[05:53] <dabaR> their entry for booting, they muight know. get someone to give you their entry, and modify it for the right hard drive.
[05:53] <Hackmo> Can someone help me with a dvd-rom problem, when I put the dvd in the drive I wont get the option to view it
[05:53] <Hackmo> it just takes me to a dvd burning program
[05:53] <levander`> Anybody know what the difference between packet writing and UDF is?
[05:53] <mknisely> Other than a Text editor, what is the Killer app for managing DNS Zones?
[05:53] <bob2> UDF is a filesystem
[05:53] <dabaR> Hackmo: sounds like a feature. Whre are you looking for this option?
[05:53] <bob2> it's orthogonal to packet writing
[05:53] <simple> i just wanted to make sure my logic wasn't flawed :D thanks dabaR
[05:53] <levander`> bob2: what is packet writing?
[05:54] <levander`> bob2: that's really where I'm confused
[05:54] <bob2> writing things incrementally
[05:54] <Razor-X> fish looks nice... ;)
[05:54] <bob2> surely google could find you a definition?
[05:54] <Last_in_Line> I am only downloading the postsql client with that command
[05:54] <levander`> Hackmo: that's probably because you've inserted a blank dvd, try putting one in with a filesystem on it
[05:54] <Hackmo> dabaR: when I put the dvd in the drive an icon comes on the desktop
[05:54] <Hackmo> levander: it's not a blank dvd
[05:54] <levander`> bob2: like the type of writing you need to write to a dvd?
[05:54] <dabaR> simple: i think fstab has nothing to do with what you are trying to do, byut then again, I am not sure what you are trying to do other than adding a boot entry to grub, which would be done in /boot/grub/menu.lst. Also, I am not very knowledgeraqble </disclaimer>
[05:55] <simple> yeah
[05:55] <bob2> Last_in_Line: no, the postgresql package contains the daemon
[05:55] <bob2> levander`: no, not need
[05:55] <simple> i wasn't so familiar
[05:55] <bob2> you can, tho
[05:55] <simple> with that concept
[05:55] <simple> but got it now
[05:55] <simple> you're to me.. for i didn't know
[05:55] <dabaR> Hackmo: I never saw an option to play the dvd in there. When inserted, the dvds should start a media player program.
[05:55] <nariman> Razor-X
[05:55] <yccheok> hi, may i noe anyone have experience of migrating code for pthread (LinuxThread) to NTPL?
[05:55] <bob2> yccheok: #c
[05:55] <mknisely> I'm not a fan of the media player in Ubuntu.  I compile mplayer and use that to play my DVDs.
[05:55] <bob2> yccheok: but you shouldn't have to modify anything
[05:55] <Hackmo> dabaR: it's not a movie, it's a dvd disk with mp3's on it
[05:55] <dabaR> simple: good luck.
[05:55] <bob2> mknisely: mplayer is part of ubuntu, too
[05:56] <dabaR> and you want to play it?
[05:56] <kozlyk> can someone either help with samba, or point me to good reads?
[05:56] <mknisely> Bob, not that I've seen...
[05:56] <Last_in_Line> ok, hopefully today I can get that website to work... lol
[05:56] <dabaR> or open it, or mount it?
[05:56] <bob2> mknisely: well, it is, in multiverse
[05:56] <neiras> Hey, everybody - here's a laugh courtesy of Windows Vista: http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/winvista_b1_47.jpg
[05:56] <dabaR> open it, ok, wel....
[05:56] <mknisely> Bob:  I do not believe that is correct, but I'll look again.
[05:56] <dabaR> do this. open a terminal, and type in ls /media/cdrom0
[05:57] <dabaR> do this. open a terminal, and type in ls /media/cdrom1
[05:57] <levander`> bob2: the README.Debian for udftools says that "UDF (not packet writing) support is in kernels 2.4 and later".  So, I guess this means I can use the UDF file system, but not write it to dvd's?
[05:57] <dabaR> to see if there are files shown.
[05:57] <Last_in_Line> Oh, is there a player for mpegs or mp3's? I can play cdroms is all on here
[05:57] <selinium> what is the opposite to apt-get install?
[05:57] <jowi> selinium, apt-get remove
[05:57] <michael__> How do I hide rhythmbox in the taskbar?
[05:57] <selinium> jowi: cheers
[05:57] <dabaR> Hackmo: any files?
[05:58] <dabaR> michael__: hide? like place it there instead of closing?
[05:58] <dabaR> michael__: gnome-panel, btw.
[05:58] <mknisely> Bob2 : Did a quick look on my Warty box and came up empty.
[05:58] <mknisely> DNS management is my question.  What's the killer app other than a text editor.
[05:58] <Hackmo> dabaR: what?
[05:58] <michael__> dabaR, I want it minimized, but not to show up in the panel...
[05:59] <Last_in_Line> also I supposedly install about 70 games from the menu & only a couple showed up in games
[05:59] <michael__> dabaR, like gaim...
[05:59] <eth42> I just started an update, and there are loads of files updated from backports. Is this a good idea? I mean are those security updates or feature updates? (I'd prefer to have security updates only)
[05:59] <dabaR> michael__: gaim shows up in the panel.
[05:59] <dabaR> Hackmo: did you do what I told you?
[06:00] <Razor-X> eth42: why not comment out backports and update then?
[06:00] <dabaR> open a terminal, and type in ls /media/cdrom0, open a terminal, and type in ls /media/cdrom1
[06:00] <frank> eth42: mostly feature updates. I don't update unnecessarily using backports
[06:00] <eth42> Razor-X: ok
[06:00] <dabaR> Hackmo: ^ that will tell y ou if there are files on the dvd.
[06:00] <bob2> levander`: you don't need to packet write to dvds
[06:00] <michael__> dabaR, gaim is only visible in the notification area on my desktop...
[06:00] <bob2> you're mxiing those two things up
[06:00] <bob2> mknisely: indeed, not in warty
[06:01] <michael__> Last_in_Line, rhythmbox?
[06:01] <GNULinuxer> truz24, Hello!
[06:01] <dabaR> michael__: screenshots?
[06:01] <Hackmo> dabaR: when I do ls /media/cdrom0 it doesn't show any files and for cdrom1 it says doesn't exist
[06:01] <levander`> bob2: can I mount them like regular partitions without packet writing?
[06:02] <Earered> Last_in_Line, not all package have an entry in the menu, simply open a terminal and type the name of the soft to use it (and if you want to add an entry in the menu, smeg can help you)
[06:02] <dabaR> Hackmo: how many drives do you have?
[06:02] <michael__> dabaR, if you tell me how... fine. (:-)
[06:02] <truz24> how do you change the time zone in ubuntu via cmd line /
[06:02] <GNULinuxer> Nikopol, Hello!
[06:02] <Hackmo> dabaR: one
[06:02] <dabaR> Cant remember ion ubuntu, in the top menus you have take a screenshot under places, or something like that.
[06:02] <dabaR> Hackmo: ok, well, is there a dvd icon on your desktop?
[06:03] <levander`> bob2: like regular paritions, meaning modifying random files, etc.  Not just write an image to them.
[06:03] <Hackmo> dabaR: yeah
[06:03] <mmoscosa> question... i installed skype but i get an error about a libqt-mt.s.3 erro
[06:03] <nariman> Razor-X?
[06:03] <dabaR> Hackmo: is the disc rw?
[06:03] <mmoscosa> does anyone know what it is?!
[06:03] <dabaR> mmoscosa: tell us the exact error, I think.
[06:03] <Razor-X> nariman: hmmm?
[06:03] <Razor-X> errr, not esh, wow, theres a seperate one tehre
[06:04] <mmoscosa> debaR:  skype: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[06:04] <dabaR> Hackmo: if the dvd is rw, then 100%iits empty. If it is r, 99% its empty.
[06:04] <Goek> where can i turn up the master volume?
[06:04] <eth42> why doesn't Ubuntu have those nice icons for Firefox and THunderbird?
[06:04] <dabaR> michael__: did you find where to take a screenshot?
[06:04] <Hackmo> dabaR: I just checked it in my other Ubuntu computer and it can read it fine
[06:04] <Goek> nothing
[06:05] <Hackmo> dabaR: show's all the files
[06:05] <Goek> i found alsamicer
[06:05] <Razor-X> I can't believe esh exists :(
[06:05] <Razor-X> now I have to call it Eshell
[06:05] <znh> Hmm, Kopete's IRC is nice
[06:05] <Razor-X> what a pain in the ass, meh
[06:05] <dabaR> Goek: is there a volume icon on your top panel?
[06:05] <firestorm> Hey. Under ubuntu what is the recommended way of configuring kernels, moving to newer patches etc?
[06:05] <jowi> mmoscosa, you need to install libqt3c102-mt
[06:05] <mmoscosa> eth42 just download them, ay. ico or .png should do
[06:05] <apokryphos> znh: takes long to load things, has bad reconnect capabilities, not many other potential IRC features. Konversation is better.
[06:05] <dabaR> Hackmo: nice. Well, not sure, it would seem it is empty.
[06:05] <eth42> mmoscosa: I did that, and they're so beatiful that I wonder why someone would deliberately not include them
[06:06] <znh> apokryphos: works awesome for me, it's a good variant of Gaim
[06:06] <apokryphos> znh: Kopete handles other protocols like MSN and AIM a lot better, suffice it to say.
[06:06] <goldfish> znh: irssi !
[06:06] <dabaR> what with nautilus burn opening, and listing files showing no files.
[06:06] <Goek> dabaR, yeah, i needed more than that and therefor found alsamixer
[06:06] <apokryphos> goldfish: I think we can presume that he's got a DE running ;-)
[06:06] <znh> godzirra: I hate copying texts with that
[06:06] <mmoscosa> jowi:    mmoscosa@mmoscosa:~$ sudo dpkg -i libqt3c102-mt
[06:06] <mmoscosa> dpkg: error processing libqt3c102-mt (--install):
[06:06] <mmoscosa>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[06:06] <mmoscosa> Errors were encountered while processing:
[06:06] <mmoscosa>  libqt3c102-mt
[06:06] <bob2> levander`: you probably can't
[06:06] <dabaR> Goek: and youre done>?
[06:06] <skalpel> does anyone know of a way to make the sticky notes that appear with the sticky note app *not* always be on top?
[06:06] <Hackmo> dabaR: the disk if defenetly not empy, any idea on what could be wrong?
[06:06] <bob2> mmoscosa: the file is presumably not actually called libqt3c102-mt
[06:06] <dabaR> mmoscosa: did you get this file yet?
[06:06] <apokryphos> znh: seriously, it's worth trying Konvi. Pretty darn good.
[06:06] <bob2> mmoscosa: also, why are you using dpkg for this?
[06:07] <michael__> dabaR, I have one....
[06:07] <dabaR> Hackmo: agreed, it is not empty. No ideas.
[06:07] <znh> apokryphos: Konvers... - what's the full name again
[06:07] <eth42> skalpel: not possible; that's the new behavior; there's a request in bugzilla.gnome.org to restore the old behavior...
[06:07] <dabaR> michael__: post it to the internet.
[06:07] <goldfish> apokryphos: I still use irssi in a DE :)
[06:07] <apokryphos> znh: Konversation. You can just sudo apt-get install
[06:07] <Hackmo> dabaR: ok thanks for your help
[06:07] <mmoscosa> bob2.... thats the comand i was teached to install :P hehe is it not that way?
[06:07] <apokryphos> goldfish: :P
[06:07] <Seveas> mmoscosa, don't paste in here
[06:07] <dabaR> welcom
[06:07] <znh> apokryphos: ok awesome will try
[06:07] <michael__> dabaR, to where?
[06:07] <Seveas> and use apt-get instal libqt3c102-mt
[06:07] <apokryphos> goldfish: but why?
[06:07] <bob2> mmoscosa: nope
[06:07] <goldfish> apokryphos: i just like cli stuff
[06:07] <bob2> mmoscosa: sudo aptitude install libqt3c102-mt
[06:07] <mmoscosa> Seveas ok, sorry, wont do it again :*
[06:07] <dabaR> michael__: use google to find a post pictures for free site
[06:08] <apokryphos> goldfish: less is more 8)
[06:08] <levander`> bob2: well, that's kind of the point of udf, it's a rewrite filesystem for dvdrw's and cdrw's
[06:08] <jowi> bob2, it is called excactly libqt3c102-mt and is located on the install cd
[06:08] <michael__> dabaR, could I send it to you directly within here?
[06:08] <bob2> levander`: indeed
[06:08] <eth42> is there a lean Gnome IRC app? I'm using xchat right now, and it seems quite complicated...
[06:08] <bob2> jowi: yes, I know, but the file itself is not called that
[06:08] <eth42> too much buttons, menus, options, etc
[06:08] <goldfish> apokryphos: yep :)
[06:08] <dabaR> likely not, yo uare free to try. or even likely yes, but I have no clue how.
[06:08] <godzirra> znh: copying texts with what?
[06:08] <mmoscosa> bob2 ohhh, is aptitude command for downloading and installing? and dpkg only for installing?
[06:08] <skalpel> eth42: let me know if it changes, okay?
[06:09] <Sponge_> uuu... Ubuntu doesn't like my palm m130. What can I do to make ubuntu and palm coexist pacifically?
[06:09] <bob2> mmoscosa: just don't use dpkg, but yes
[06:09] <znh> godzirra: irssi, I never get used to the middle mouse button copy&pase
[06:09] <|rockinnerd|> eth42, BitchX
[06:09] <Arnia> eth42: I use gaim for IRC
[06:09] <|rockinnerd|> but it's console
[06:09] <levander`> there's no way to ask the MOTU of the udftools package how to configure udftools for hoary?  I haven't seen anyone on the internet get it working.  But, have found only a few people try.
[06:09] <eth42> skalpel: just look it up in bugzilla
[06:09] <godzirra> ahh.. yeah.. I know what you mean
[06:09] <Arnia> eth42: works very nicely
[06:09] <|rockinnerd|> bitchx = console
[06:09] <znh> trying Konversation now - bye
[06:09] <mmoscosa> bob2 ok, cheers
[06:09] <bob2> levander`: er, of course you can ask them
[06:10] <levander`> bob2: er, how?
[06:10] <bob2> levander`: but asking on the user list first is vastly preferable
[06:10] <dabaR> bob2: why is ubuntu reocgnizing Hackmo's dvd as empty, and it has media(he checked on another comp)?
[06:10] <eth42> Arnia: gaim is ok but it's designed for Instant Messaging; it took me some while to learn how to join a channel when there's no greeting page opened like on freenode
[06:10] <levander`> bob2: is ubuntuforums the user list? I've got a post there.
[06:10] <mmoscosa> one more question... how do i configure a wireless PCI card?!
[06:10] <bob2> levander`: by emailing them? or finding them on irc?
[06:10] <bob2> levander`: no, the forums is not a list
[06:10] <bob2> dabaR: no idea, has he/she filed a bug?
[06:10] <eth42> Arnia: (you have to join a channel via the Buddies list.... doesn't make sense to me)
[06:10] <levander`> bob2: where's the user list, if this is the preferred communications channel
[06:10] <eth42> |rockinnerd|: ok, thanks, I'll try that
[06:11] <bob2> levander`: http://lists.ubuntu.com/
[06:11] <Sponge_> I need help with a palm m130. Any volunteers?
[06:11] <dabaR> bob2: whats with the bugs all the sudden:)
[06:11] <Hackmo> bob2: no i've not filled a bug incase it's just something stupid i'm missing
[06:11] <znh> apokryphos: There ain't MSN in it
[06:11] <bob2> Sponge_: it'd be a lot easier if you just stated your problem
[06:11] <Last_in_Line> postsql fails to start too
[06:11] <apokryphos> znh: of course -- it's just an IRC client.
[06:11] <bob2> Last_in_Line: something is very broken on your system
[06:11] <znh> apokryphos: oh ok, I thought it was a sort of Kopete like
[06:11] <levander`> bob2: i thought the MOTU's worked for debian, the maintainer on the udftools package has a debian email address
[06:12] <brian__> hi bob2
[06:12] <bob2> ah, the polite Mr Brian
[06:12] <apokryphos> znh: oh, nope, sorry. Kopete could be decent enough for you -- just has a little few things that bug me in the IRC
[06:12] <Arnia> eth42: fair enough. I find it more intuitive that way though (given that Jabber chatrooms are the same)
[06:12] <Last_in_Line> Reload?
[06:12] <bob2> how may I be useless today?
[06:12] <Sponge_> bob2: I can't find the /dev/ttyUSB(whatever) on my kernel. I read something about the "udev" stuff, and I modified a file which was called 10-custom (or something like that)...
[06:12] <brian__> im still working on this cedega thing
[06:12] <jowi> bob2, filename is: pool/main/q/qt-x11-free/libqt3c102-mt_3.3.3-7ubuntu3_i38k.deb (my version that is) :-)
[06:12] <Sponge_> bob2: But it didn't worked out...
[06:12] <bob2> levander`: no, MOTU is not related to Debian
[06:12] <brian__> lol
[06:12] <tucoz> Hi, is there a ubuntu-version available with kernel version > 2.6.10?
[06:12] <bob2> levander`: if you want to find out who touched it last, look at the changelog, /usr/share/doc/packagename/
[06:12] <jowi> i meant libqt3c102-mt_3.3.3-7ubuntu3_i386.deb
[06:12] <bob2> tucoz: breezy, but it's very broken
[06:13] <levander`> bob2: the MOTU for a universe package isn't the maintainer of the package listed in the .deb?
[06:13] <bob2> levander`: often
[06:13] <brian__> ahh well just tryin to give myself more incentive to get involved with linux
[06:13] <levander`> bob2: often is not, or often is?
[06:13] <Last_in_Line> Should I reload Ubuntu? or apt-get fix... lol
[06:13] <znh> apokryphos: I think I stick with kopete, I like some global all in one client
[06:13] <Last_in_Line> Nothing is ever easy
[06:14] <bob2> Last_in_Line: explain to the channel exactly what youv'e changed since you installed fom a hoary cd
[06:14] <tucoz> bob2: oh, ok. I just installed debian testing with the 2.6.11 kernel. Is it possible to install using expert mode and install a new kernel during the install process?
[06:14] <brian__> are there less populated rooms for newb tards like me?
[06:14] <apokryphos> znh: yes, that's the advantage of it. Integration is good :)
[06:14] <bob2> levander`: often either way
[06:14] <znh> apokryphos: I agree
[06:14] <bob2> tucoz: yes, but simply
[06:14] <Sponge_> Where is the damned /dev/ttyUSB(whatever) in ubuntu??? --- What can I do to get my palm synched???
[06:14] <Seveas> brian__, this is the channel for newbies to ask newbie questions :)
[06:14] <bob2> Sponge_: that's nothing to do with ubuntu
[06:14] <|rockinnerd|> Sponge_, evolutoin
[06:14] <levander`> Last_in_Line: you're trying some pretty advance stuff for a newb, it's not gonna be easy doing it that way
[06:14] <apokryphos> znh: well, advantage of kde as a whole, I might add :P
[06:14] <tucoz> bob2: simply?
[06:14] <bob2> Sponge_: perhaps it's not being detected, or the driver doesn't know about your model
[06:14] <|rockinnerd|> or kpilot if u have kde
[06:14] <bob2> tucoz: not simply
[06:14] <znh> apokryphos: :/
[06:14] <brian__> yes but i cant even talk to you in red like you did to me
[06:14] <ZibiKebir> i need help getting my wireless usb adapter working, can anybodu help
[06:14] <|rockinnerd|> Sponge_, EVOLUTION
[06:15] <nando_> hello
[06:15] <Seveas> brian__, correct, that's simply impossible :)
[06:15] <Seveas> brian__, if I say your name my line will be red
[06:15] <pinucset> hi, one think. I've just installed ubuntu and i've installed nvidia drivers. How can i put 85hz? 60hz arent good... please reply :D
[06:15] <brian__> ahh
[06:15] <Seveas> (in your client)
[06:15] <brian__> novel idead
[06:15] <eth42> ZibiKebir: which one?
[06:15] <znh> wtf who's name is hans here
[06:15] <brian__> idea even
[06:15] <znh> oh ojh
[06:15] <Seveas> if you say my name, that line will be highlighted for me :)
[06:15] <brian__> Seveas thanks
[06:15] <tucoz> bob2: kindof guessed that :) Is it done the debian way? I need a kernel supporting my via sata vt6421, which seems to fail on 2.6.8
[06:15] <Last_in_Line> I downloaded most of the games, I have dancer-irc working & I have been fighting egroupware to run for a couple days, changed php globals to on..
[06:15] <znh> test 123
[06:15] <ZibiKebir> microsoft mn-510
[06:16] <brian__> Seveas, thanks
[06:16] <Seveas> znh, hi :)
[06:16] <pinucset> hi, one think. I've just installed ubuntu and i've installed nvidia drivers. How can i put 85hz? 60hz arent good... please reply :D
[06:16] <brian__> is it red?
[06:16] <|rockinnerd|> pinucset, xorgconfig
[06:16] <Seveas> brian__, no yellow :)
[06:16] <brian__> hmm
[06:16] <|rockinnerd|> oops nvm
[06:16] <eth42> ZibiKebir: ask Microsoft for a free software driver.
[06:16] <Seveas> but that higlighting is configured on the client side :)
[06:16] <eth42> ZibiKebir: sorry
[06:16] <ZibiKebir> i have the driver and i installed it
[06:16] <brian__> ahh
[06:16] <ZibiKebir> hte device shows up in device manager
[06:16] <brian__> thnx for the closure
[06:16] <ZibiKebir> it shows up in lsusb
[06:16] <tucoz> I'll just try the live-cd first
[06:16] <eth42> ZibiKebir: and where's the problem
[06:17] <ZibiKebir> i dont know how to configure it to get it working
[06:17] <tucoz> bye
[06:17] <brian__> heres a question
[06:17] <ZibiKebir> pm me
[06:18] <brian__> first one to anser gets a box of cracker jacks
[06:18] <ToRTuReD_X> GOD DAMMIT
[06:18] <eth42> ZibiKebir: what's the drivers name?
[06:18] <brian__> how do i install cedega and point2play on this ubuntu
[06:18] <ToRTuReD_X> batteries in mouse died agai
[06:18] <ToRTuReD_X> again*
[06:18] <ToRTuReD_X> :/
[06:18] <ZibiKebir> linux-wlan-ng
[06:18] <Seveas> brian__, that's a tough one
[06:18] <Seveas> brian__, search for 'cedega howto' on ubuntuforums.org
[06:18] <barry> does any one know why ubuntu doesn't see my scsi drives
[06:18] <ToRTuReD_X> ah screw it
[06:18] <brian__> well that doesnt qualify for the prize
[06:19] <Seveas> I know :)
[06:19] <brian__> i have
[06:19] <ToRTuReD_X> how do i change channels in xchat with the keyboard?
[06:19] <eth42> ZibiKebir: sudo modprobe linux-wlan-ng should load the driver then
[06:19] <Seveas> but it's the best I can do for you ;)
[06:19] <brian__> this is all just so particular
[06:19] <eth42> ZibiKebir: does it?
[06:19] <brian__> which is great once its all configured
[06:19] <|rockinnerd|> ToRTuReD_X, /join #channel
[06:19] <ZibiKebir> no i tried that
[06:19] <brian__> but i love the universal conveinience
[06:19] <eth42> ZibiKebir: sudo lsmod | grep linux-wlan-ng should list the driver
[06:19] <Seveas> brian__, the easy way is to pay the crators of cedega and get an easy-to-install installer
[06:19] <Seveas> creators*
[06:20] <brian__> iv'e already paid for it
[06:20] <ZibiKebir> wait
[06:20] <brian__> i ordered it last night
[06:20] <ZibiKebir> i have a screen shot of it
[06:20] <brian__> i got the 12 month sub
[06:20] <Seveas> brian__, then they should have sent you instructions and an installer
[06:20] <ZibiKebir> you wanna see it?>
[06:20] <brian__> just conf emails on purchase
[06:20] <eth42> ZibiKebir: eh, screenshot??
[06:20] <ZibiKebir> yh
[06:20] <brian__> and there are installers
[06:20] <eth42> ZibiKebir: where?
[06:20] <ZibiKebir> you wanna see it?
[06:20] <brian__> i just dont know which one
[06:20] <ZibiKebir> one sec ill send it to you
[06:20] <redguy> ToRTuReD_X: ctrl-pgup, ctrl-pgdown
[06:20] <Micksa> will breezy go into feature freeze at a set date before release?
[06:21] <Micksa> if so when?
[06:21] <eth42> ZibiKebir: I thought IRC is text-based.
[06:21] <eth42> ZibiKebir: hah!
[06:21] <jowi> brian__, i used the debian installer which worked fine
[06:21] <brian__> oh well
[06:21] <highvoltage> eth42: it is
[06:21] <brian__> really?
[06:21] <ZibiKebir> but i can send you files
[06:21] <brian__> outstandiong
[06:21] <moparfan90_> i am trying to get shared files from a windows computer on my ubuntu computer. does anyone know how to do this? please help me
[06:21] <Seveas> Micksa, it is, Breezy will go through various stages of freezing
[06:21] <eth42> amazing
[06:21] <BollocksMacenzie> Has anyone here installed FuhQuake?
[06:21] <Seveas> in fact, upstream version freeze is already going on now
[06:21] <BollocksMacenzie> Having trouble!
[06:22] <eth42> but it won't be downloaded
[06:22] <brian__> xorg see my video card but ati doenst have drivers
[06:22] <brian__> under linux
[06:22] <jowi> brian__, i need to bott my other pc though to make sure i'm not lying to you. the installer will put shortcuts for you in the gnome menu.
[06:22] <eth42> although I accepted
[06:22] <brian__> which is strange
[06:22] <Micksa> Seveas: I have backed off my laptop from breezy to hoary. I'm wondering when a safe time is to upgrade again :)
[06:22] <moparfan90_> i am trying to get shared files from a windows computer on my ubuntu computer. does anyone know how to do this? please help me
[06:22] <ph8> initrd errors every time i try to install a kernel
[06:22] <Micksa> (I'm getting other problems with hoary)
[06:22] <ph8> in the install
[06:22] <ph8> any ideas on how to fix it/
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> brian__,  hmm what card? my X200 Mobility is in the same boat.
[06:22] <Seveas> Micksa, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseSchedule
[06:23] <brian__> damn thats the card i have
[06:23] <ZibiKebir> can anybody else help me
[06:23] <Seveas> ph8, how do you install the kernel?
[06:23] <|rockinnerd|> ubuntu isn't in microsuck.com's list of linuxes
[06:23] <eth42> ZibiKebir: I can help
[06:23] <Seveas> ph8, did you compile it yourself
[06:23] <eth42> ZibiKebir: but no screenshots perhaps...
[06:23] <ph8> i've booted to CD
[06:23] <Seveas> ?
[06:23] <Micksa> ta
[06:23] <BollocksMacenzie> FuhQuake installer keeps saying that I haven't got java virtual machine installed! When I have..
[06:23] <brian__> i have the rs200M
[06:23] <ph8> about 7 options down the install menu
[06:23] <brian__> on the 340M IGP/chipset
[06:23] <ph8> on the install base system option
[06:23] <moparfan90_> seveas, can you help me with getting shared files from my windows comp. to my ubuntu comp.???
[06:23] <brian__> which is confusing
[06:23] <ph8> i get the option to pick one of three kernels, initrd errors on them all
[06:24] <brian__> because if its a 340IGP then why does it say rs200M
[06:24] <rototom> hello together
[06:24] <Seveas> moparfan90_, sure
[06:24] <rototom> which wlan acrd should I buy for my Ubuntu machine?
[06:24] <brian__> i guess the 340 is the name of the BUS
[06:24] <Micksa> wow, that's a lot of freezing :)
[06:24] <Seveas> moparfan90_, menu: places -> connect to server
[06:24] <Seveas> rototom, a card with atheros or intel chip
[06:24] <moparfan90_> yeah...
[06:24] <rototom> Seveas, thanks, what cards are it, or how can I find out?
[06:24] <apokryphos> Seveas: it doesn't mention when the snapshots/arrays are gonna be released. Are they gonna happen?
[06:24] <brian__> Dr_Willis what radeon core is in the 200 M
[06:25] <Seveas> apokryphos, yes, but only when things are in a bit stable state and it's unpredictable when that happens :)
[06:25] <tony> /dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[06:25] <tony> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
[06:25] <tony> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
[06:25] <tony> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
[06:25] <tony> tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
[06:25] <tony> none on /dev type tmpfs (rw,size=5M,mode=0755)
[06:25] <tony> usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
[06:25] <tony>  whitch is the my usb2.0 mp3 player -samsung yepp
[06:25] <eth42> rototom: prism2 based if you want free drivers
[06:25] <Seveas> tony, do NOT paste in here
[06:25] <ZibiKebir> i installed the drivers for my wireless usb card, but when i try to change the settings for it mean assign it to my home network, it says no such devcie
[06:26] <olivier> Hi, is there anything simple that I could do to get the full screen resolution that my monitor supports (1680x1050) ?
[06:26] <ZibiKebir> its chipset is prism2
[06:26] <rototom> I want to simply use the card, without installing specific drivers
[06:26] <ZibiKebir> i installed the linux-wlan0ng driver
[06:26] <moparfan90_> seveas, what do i type in the server box??
[06:26] <brian__> would you all say that ubuntu is <or> other Linux OS built for Novice users and which and why
[06:26] <eth42> ZibiKebir: so you try ifup eth0, or what?
[06:26] <Seveas> rototom, these cars will work out of the box
[06:26] <rototom> Are there cards which have drivers already in Ubuntu?
[06:26] <ZibiKebir> no i didnt try it, ill go try right now
[06:26] <Seveas> rototom, the cards listed at madwifi.sourceforge.net have an atheros chip
[06:26] <eth42> rototom: my ipw2100 (Centrino) was installed by default
[06:26] <ZibiKebir> but istn eth0 my ethernet card
[06:26] <rototom> and they run out of the box?
[06:26] <rototom> cool
[06:27] <ph8> ok
[06:27] <ph8> got to the console and found the errors
[06:27] <Seveas> rototom, yes, I use atheros too :)
[06:27] <dimitris> I'd say that ubuntu is a fine linux distro for new users (the apt-get system is ideal for newbies)!
[06:27] <brian__> anyone tried quemu?
[06:27] <ph8> errors were encountered while processing: postfix/at/mailx/mutt/postfix-tls/unbuntu-base
[06:27] <ph8> dkpg error
[06:27] <eth42> ZibiKebir: what did you do, ifup eth1, ifup wlan0?
[06:27] <ph8> anyone seen that before?
[06:27] <ZibiKebir> i didnt do anythign
[06:27] <ZibiKebir> idont know what to do
[06:27] <ZibiKebir> thats what im saying
[06:27] <moparfan90_> seveas, it said "sorry cannot display content of this folder"    what sould i do?
[06:28] <brian__> you see my apt get always returns with permission errors
[06:28] <brian__> how can I  get superadmin rights all the time?
[06:28] <Seveas> moparfan90_, did you give that menu the correct authentication information (user/pass)
[06:28] <brian__> without having to specify for each ap
[06:28] <Seveas> brian__, sudo -i
[06:28] <moparfan90_> seveas, no
[06:28] <Seveas> that will give you a root terminal
[06:28] <michael__> dabaR, I got the solution... Interested?
[06:28] <dimitris> I am a new user and never had any problems with my ubuntu. I use su apt-get install anything i want!
[06:29] <Seveas> moparfan90_, then do so ;) (hang on)
[06:29] <michael__> dabaR: single left click on the icon in the notification area... (:-O)
[06:29] <olivier> is there a tool to see the hardware detected by ubuntu?
[06:29] <dimitris> Never liked any other distro i tried so far. Ubuntu is by far the best one so far!
[06:29] <Seveas> moparfan90_, select windows share from the menu, for server type in the ip-address of the windows machine, for share the name of the share. for username your account on that machine
[06:30] <moparfan90_> seveas, theres no area for password?????
[06:30] <Seveas> moparfan90_, it will ask for one
[06:30] <brian__> thats cool dimitris but even for the newest users like me :), it can be a painstaking task to even LEARN
[06:30] <moparfan90_> ok
[06:30] <moparfan90_> seveas, what do i type for share??
[06:30] <dabaR> wow
[06:31] <ph8> can anyone help me with this install?
[06:31] <dimitris> brian__ have you tried any other distros that are tagged as user friendly like mandriva, fedora or suse?
[06:31] <dos000> anyone explain why when i do netstat -plate i get "tcp        0      0 192.168.0.105:32846     72.14.207.104:www       TIME_WAIT  root       0          -" i dont have connections to google as root
[06:31] <brian__> i have not
[06:31] <dimitris> Never got them to work like i wanted (i would solve one problem and i would face 10 new :-) )
[06:32] <brian__> would it be better to start on a differnet OS?
[06:32] <holycow> brian__, for what purpose?
[06:32] <levosyan> hi
[06:32] <python> i would say there are many linux distros like Ubuntu now
[06:32] <dimitris> The unofficial ubuntu guide was a very good place for me when i started using ubuntu and helped me a lot!
[06:32] <holycow> ubuntu is as easy as it gets
[06:32] <moparfan90_> seveas, what do i type for shared????
[06:32] <python> Fedora aintmuch different
[06:33] <holycow> python, there are no distros LIKE ubuntu
[06:33] <ph8> I'm going to have to use debian unless someone can help me :/
[06:33] <Seveas> moparfan90_, the name of the Share
[06:33] <moparfan90_> seveas, whats that mean?
[06:33] <python> id argue with tht
[06:33] <python> holycow
[06:33] <Seveas> moparfan90_, the name you gave to the shared folder in windows
[06:33] <|rockinnerd|> ph8,what's the problem
[06:33] <moparfan90_> oo
[06:33] <brian__> I am just so fed up with Microsoft and their territorial BS with this new WGA and all
[06:33] <ph8>  errors were encountered while processing: postfix/at/mailx/mutt/postfix-tls/unbuntu-base
[06:33] <ph8> dkpg error
[06:33] <python> MEPIS, Fedora,
[06:33] <|rockinnerd|> !wga
[06:33] <ubotu> |rockinnerd|: I give up, what is it?
[06:33] <Seveas> moparfan90_, alternatively try this command: nautilus network://
[06:33] <ph8> in the 'install base files' option in the installer
[06:33] <dimitris> Fedora comes with a ton of stuff you'll probably never need and i think it slows the whole system down
[06:34] <holycow> python, fedora is not a distro, its a beta experiment
[06:34] <Seveas> (in a shell)
[06:34] <olivier> mmm, why does it look like I don't know the root password?
[06:34] <holycow> fedora is utterly unuseable
[06:34] <olivier> right after installing
[06:34] <dimitris> For a new user messing with services that start on boot maybe a problem
[06:34] <Seveas> olivier, because there is none :)
[06:34] <|rockinnerd|> ph8, is it hoary, warty, or breezy?
[06:34] <python> well yes its on cutting edge,
[06:34] <Seveas> olivier: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[06:34] <brian__> I run a computer store and if I can configure and run linux distros that are user friendly I will encourage my customers to make the switch
[06:34] <ph8> |rockinnerd|: hoary
[06:34] <Seveas> read that, it explains why :)
[06:34] <holycow> mepis, yeah okay thats okay, it has some neat configuration utilities
[06:34] <Despeeh> oliver there is root terminal
[06:34] <Despeeh> open it and type passwd
[06:34] <holycow> python, *cough* bullshit *cough*
[06:34] <holycow> :)
[06:34] <brian__> but it will take much time for me to learn but I am willing to
[06:34] <olivier> ha, thanks :)
[06:34] <holycow> ubuntu is cutting edge :)
[06:34] <Seveas> Despeeh, do NOT advise people to do that...
[06:34] <python> I think Ubuntu is great too
[06:34] <dimitris> Then you should go for ubuntu
[06:35] <|rockinnerd|> ph8, perhaps your media is corrupt
[06:35] <zAo^> xfce4: Depends: xfwm4-themes (>= 4.2.1-1) but it is not going to be installed
[06:35] <zAo^> :(
[06:35] <|rockinnerd|> try re-burning the cd
[06:35] <ph8> well looking at the errors
[06:35] <Despeeh> seveas ok
[06:35] <python> the best but i think all have a purpose
[06:35] <ph8> unbuntu-base depends on at; however:
[06:35] <ph8> Package at is not configured yet
[06:35] <holycow> python, i'm not sayin ubuntu is 'best' or anything of the sort, it is what it is, by mandriva is not ubuntu and vice versa
[06:35] <ph8> you think that looks like corrupt media?
[06:35] <Seveas> ph8, that's a corrupt CD
[06:35] <ph8> oh
[06:35] <Seveas> check the md5sum of the iso before burning
[06:35] <Seveas> and burn slowly (like 4x)
[06:35] <ph8> will get back to you with that in a second
[06:35] <moparfan90_> seveas, it said Sorry, couldn't display all the contents of "Shared Documents".
[06:35] <ph8> what's the sum?
[06:35] <moparfan90_> seveas, what sould i do???
[06:35] <olivier> what is the command to configure X?
[06:36] <phixion> does quake 3 work out of the box in ubuntu?
[06:36] <Seveas> olivier, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:36] <holycow> python, maybe i'm splitting hairs, okay there ARE a lot of distros going after the same type of user then
[06:36] <holycow> :)
[06:36] <brian__> basically 70% of my customers just need a computer for emailing and chat and internet
[06:36] <olivier> thanks again :)
[06:36] <Seveas> moparfan90_, you should find out if that share really exists on the windows machine
[06:36] <brian__> and I think its more than possible to convert them
[06:36] <|rockinnerd|> moparfan90_, have you logged in as one of your windows accounts?
[06:36] <python> to be honest  my main reason too choose ubuntu was its philosophy or vision
[06:36] <holycow> brian__, ditto
[06:36] <brian__> especially if I am telling them its what should be used
[06:36] <moparfan90_> it didnt ask me for a password
[06:36] <python> of using pure free software
[06:37] <dimitris> Like i told you using ubuntu guide will get you doing those things in no time
[06:37] <dimitris> Even for the new user
[06:37] <holycow> python, mine was BECAUSE its basically debian with some elbow grease put into it for the desktop
[06:37] <phixion> most linux distros do that python :o
[06:37] <Seveas> python, multiverse / restricted are not pure free ;)
[06:37] <python> i agree
[06:37] <python> Debian tweaked
[06:37] <|rockinnerd|> moparfan90_, type samba @ a terminal prompt
[06:37] <holycow> not 'tweaked'
[06:37] <python> and a good job too
[06:37] <holycow> polished
[06:37] <holycow> tweaked to me kinda smells of 'fork'
[06:37] <python> ok
[06:38] <holycow> i love the fact they actually freeze off of debian it self every 6 months
[06:38] <python> i meant in regrads to install
[06:38] <holycow> very important to me, maybe not others
[06:38] <brian__> I want them to be happy, I want to be able to say "No you dont need an AntiVirus, thats only with Windows"
[06:38] <holycow> python, install is the same, they both use di
[06:38] <holycow> all that changes is the default repositories
[06:38] <python> sure but debian takes you few a few other processes
[06:38] <deFrysk> brian__, inti virus might be handy also in linux
[06:38] <brian__> Oh no you dont need to worry about installing office programs or chat clients, its all right here
[06:38] <Seveas> holycow, but ubuntu picks a lot of sane defaults where debian asks questions
[06:38] <deFrysk> anti
[06:38] <holycow> python, no it doesnt
[06:38] <xinel> hey guys i have the weirdest problem and ive been reading the ubuntuforums for hours, when i boot into gnome there is two desktops one above the other. I find that changing the resolution fixes it but the resolution will not stay. Ive made the res i want the only one in xorg.conf and even set it in panel any ideas?
[06:39] <holycow> okay, maybe i forgot all the debian questions
[06:39] <holycow> haha python i'm sorry i'm sounding like a prick, i don't mean to
[06:39] <brian__> really there are virus issues with linux?
[06:39] <salil> hey.. people.... how can i install PERL.. which package is it..there're so many of them..
[06:39] <Seveas> brian__, not that much, due to the nature of linux security
[06:39] <Seveas> salil, it's installed by default
[06:39] <holycow> brian__, i have not heard of anyone ever finding a virus definition in the wild
[06:39] <brian__> holycow , NICE
[06:40] <holycow> if anyone is going to get a virus its the lindows folks tho
[06:40] <dimitris> Well i was a windows user for a very long time. Now the only reason i log in windows is to play leisure suit larry and that because i was too lazy :-) to see if it works in cedega!
[06:40] <python> Is anyone taking advantage of LAMP on there Linux box
[06:40] <salil> well.. when i tried to install bluetooth support.. it said that perl was not installed.. !!!
[06:40] <Seveas> holycow, yeah
[06:40] <Seveas> lindows is crap
[06:40] <holycow> they run everything as root
[06:40] <holycow> *grrrr*
[06:40] <Seveas> that SO defauta ALL security...
[06:40] <Seveas> defeats*
[06:40] <Seveas> man my spelling is weird :)
[06:40] <brian__> I mean this could be a total revolution, the ease of use is unbelievable
[06:40] <holycow> dimitris, :) cool, the switch isn't always easy, sometimes it is, welcome :)
[06:40] <deFrysk> viruscanner might be handy for linux users wo forward files and mails to windows users
[06:41] <salil> "configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool" ----- i'm getting this message..
[06:41] <salil> what does that mean..?
[06:41] <holycow> brian__, the key to 'ease of use' is actually having a properly engineered underpinning
[06:41] <brian__> ahh
[06:41] <brian__> I see
[06:41] <Seveas> salil, install libxml-parser-perl
[06:41] <brian__> and common sense
[06:41] <|rockinnerd|> s/lindows/linspire
[06:41] <deFrysk> so in itself is a virusscanner in linux not a bad idea
[06:41] <apokryphos> Seveas: I hear they have a really great package manager, though ;-)
[06:41] <Dr_Willis> and users that can actually think :P
[06:41] <tony> hello
[06:41] <holycow> when people complain about unix not being easy to use, its simply because no one has put in the gui automation for the underneath stuff
[06:41] <brian__> which Im starting to realize I still have some
[06:41] <Seveas> |rockinnerd|, potayto potahto :)
[06:41] <salil> thanks..
[06:41] <|rockinnerd|> :)
[06:41] <brian__> even after my brain has been rotting for so long on Windows
[06:41] <Seveas> :)
[06:41] <Dr_Willis> "Linux FUNdamentals"
[06:42] <holycow> its a lot of work, but the linux desktop experience can get very nice even for average users with enough guis and widgets and stuff
[06:42] <dimitris> holycow the switch wasn't easy for me either until i installed Ubuntu. Like i said i tried many distros but now Ubuntu rulez my pc!!! :-)
[06:42] <xinel> any ideas ppl?
[06:42] <holycow> dimitris, yeah, i switched during sarge, i settled onto debian my self
[06:42] <python> But why do new users want to use Linux
[06:42] <holycow> but sarge requires quite a bit of work to get a smooth desktop
[06:42] <|rockinnerd|> holycow, amen
[06:42] <brian__> so cedega is a pretty compatible program
[06:42] <|rockinnerd|> lol
[06:42] <Seveas> fedore, brrrr
[06:43] <holycow> ubuntu folks really have me convinced that this is a pretty good approach
[06:43] <ajcool> i downloaded ubuntu-5.04-install-amd64 now how do i install it?
[06:43] <holycow> ajcool, put the cdrom in, and reboot
[06:43] <brian__> ahh
[06:43] <holycow> :)
[06:43] <|rockinnerd|> Seveas, i only did it b/c i knew nothing about linux, and bought "fedora core for dummies:
[06:43] <ajcool> oh i have to burn it to a cd? can i mount it?
[06:43] <deFrysk> ajcool, burn the iso to a cd not copy
[06:43] <Seveas> ajcool, burn a cd from the iso, boot from that cd and have fun :)
[06:43] <Razor-X> holycow: have you notice that the average #ubuntu user is getting smarter over time?
[06:43] <Seveas> ajcool, if you are now on a 32bit kernel you cannot mount+install
[06:43] <Dr_Willis> under windows the program "Burn At Once" is very  handy for burning iso files.
[06:44] <Razor-X> |rockinnerd|: as do I, but as a neccessity ;)
[06:44] <holycow> ajcool, sure you can mount it, installation instructions vary depending on yoru setup.  i am assuming your installing onto a wiped hd
[06:44] <Seveas> |rockinnerd|, are there non-dummies using FC then? :)
[06:44] <Razor-X> (dad)
[06:44] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: are you serious ? :)
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[06:44] <Despeeh> started with chainsaw linux
[06:44] <dimitris> The best thing in Linux for me when i found i could do something in linux that i thought i needed windows to do! Getting my tv-out working was the last obstacle to my linux switch!
[06:44] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: hah, yeah
[06:44] <deFrysk> lol Seveas
[06:44] <ajcool> i can't install/mount from windows xp?
[06:44] <Seveas> ajcool, nope
[06:44] <ajcool> ok
[06:44] <holycow> Razor-X, ehe
[06:44] <Seveas> would be coolif that was possible, but it's not :)
[06:44] <|rockinnerd|> i've also tried gentoo, slackware, suse, mepis, sarge debian, knoppix, DSlinux,
[06:44] <holycow> Razor-X, the avergae question in this chan however, is remarkably different from the average question in #debian
[06:44] <ajcool> seveas i heard the ubuntu is the best thats why im usin it hah, never used linux before in my life so i might have a lot of questions :)
[06:45] <|rockinnerd|> bye Seveas
[06:45] <holycow> the questions here are basically of the windows user category, how do i setup my network, how do i share files ... basic stuff
[06:45] <Razor-X> holycow: I haven't been to #debian in ages
[06:45] <deFrysk> ajcool, 472 people here , someone might know the answer
[06:45] <python> I think its important that users coming to Linux should underrsatnd the ethical principles as to why we should use free software, to understand this will encourage people from not using propreiety software.
[06:45] <Razor-X> #knoppix was a bit better back when I helped there
[06:46] <Razor-X> now, I don't know
[06:46] <root> Someone told me Ubuntu wouldnt have network but I set it up in a flash. heh.. time to log off root though.
[06:46] <holycow> and watching the users here i'm convinced that linux can be polished up for the average user
[06:46] <apokryphos> Razor-X: went downhill at your leave, I'm sure. ;-)
[06:46] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: yes, #knoppix used to rock
[06:46] <Razor-X> python: I think there are instances where proprietary software should be used, abeit not many
[06:46] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: I remember you from there ;)
[06:46] <python> i disagree Razor
[06:47] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: dunno what happened in #knoppix - it went downhill after tech2k left I think
[06:47] <python> ALL software should be Open
[06:47] <salil> can anyone please tell me what this means..?? - configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[06:47] <Razor-X> python: maybe that has to do with my governmental philosophy
[06:47] <python> which is
[06:47] <apokryphos> salil: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[06:47] <Razor-X> well, until that happens, if there's a program I really want, I'll pay for it
[06:47] <salil> okay.. i'll try.
[06:47] <Razor-X> python: I don't think an ideal communistic world is nice
[06:47] <ph8>  Do you know if there's a windows binary to check md5sums?
[06:47] <frank> python: that is not the main reason why I use linux and isn't the reason why people switch from windows to linux
[06:48] <python> it is not communism
[06:48] <Razor-X> there was one guy on #knoppix who tried to compile his emulator, but didn't know ``cd''
[06:48] <dimitris> ph8 there is. Dont actually remember now but google it
[06:48] <python> communism forces you
[06:48] <Razor-X> ;)
[06:48] <Razor-X> python: no, that's actual communism, not ideal communism
[06:48] <apokryphos> :|
[06:48] <Razor-X> Ideal Communism == Marxism
[06:48] <salil> i'm getting this error again.. ---   E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[06:48] <salil> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[06:48] <thenostradamus> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1841067,00.asp
[06:48] <python> It is not Communism
[06:48] <Razor-X> salil: prepend a ``sudo''
[06:48] <thenostradamus> lmao
[06:48] <apokryphos> salil: close all instances of synaptic
[06:48] <salil> i did
[06:48] <frank> python: pro software (engineering, scientific) are ok proprietary
[06:48] <salil> ooh.. okay
[06:48] <Razor-X> python: are you saying that just because communism is ``evil''?
[06:48] <python> it is democracy
[06:49] <Despeeh> do you have synaptic there running? salil :) at same time
[06:49] <Despeeh> allways someone is faster
[06:49] <Razor-X> in a truly open world, code belongs to no-one
[06:49] <Razor-X> every person shares code
[06:49] <python> no cause communism is a way of live tht is forced upon people, free software does not force anyone
[06:49] <Razor-X> just like the concept of property in communism
[06:49] <salil> yes.. i had synaptic running.. its working now.. C compiler is being installed..
[06:49] <apokryphos> Despeeh: 48ms, pow! :P
[06:49] <Razor-X> python: communism has _nothing_ to do with force
[06:49] <Despeeh> :)
[06:50] <apokryphos> Despeeh: ok, it's going down now ;-)
[06:50] <Razor-X> you're mixing Marxism with Stalinism, two different things
[06:50] <python> More importantly the computing world needs open standards not M$ standards or proprietry standards
[06:50] <salil> i'm getting a lot of errors..
[06:50] <salil> configure: error: Library requirements (gobject-2.0 glib-2.0) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them.
[06:50] <elsha> !root
[06:50] <ubotu> root is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:50] <apokryphos> salil: what are you trying to compile?
[06:51] <salil> a library for bluetooth support
[06:51] <elsha> !su
[06:51] <ubotu> Wish i knew, elsha
[06:51] <frank> python: yeah goverments should not be using proprietary standards in any way
[06:51] <salil> libbtctl-0.4.1-- this is the library i'm trying to compile
[06:51] <ajcool> i burned ubuntu to a disk now how do i install, a wizard did not popup
[06:51] <apokryphos> salil: try installing those things it says it doesn't have
[06:51] <salil> where do i get them.. at synaptic..??
[06:52] <apokryphos> salil: yup
[06:52] <salil> thanks.. i'll try..
[06:52] <apokryphos> salil: well, you should be able to.
[06:52] <topyli> ajcool: boot the disk, it will start the installation
[06:52] <salil> btw.. apokryphos.. how come.. your messages are in red..??
[06:52] <thoreauputic> ajcool: reboot and you should get an install screen
[06:52] <olivier> hi again, how do I install a .deb package that I downloaded?
[06:52] <ajcool> oh you have to reboot okay
[06:52] <apokryphos> salil: heh, oh wait. You can get libbctl from the repositories -- no need to compile.
[06:52] <dimitris> Well i am off (soccer match on tv!!!)
[06:52] <frank> salil: happens when your name starts the line
[06:52] <Razor-X> what's the difference between zsh and zsh30?
[06:52] <salil> oh ... really..?
[06:52] <apokryphos> salil: because my messages include your nick in them. That's what IRC does
[06:53] <ajcool> will i beable to chose windows or linux when the computer starts then?
[06:53] <apokryphos> !info libbctl1
[06:53] <levander`> I thought ubuntu was using the udev filesystem stuff? Is it not?
[06:53] <salil> salil this is a test
[06:53] <thoreauputic> olivier: sudo dpkg -i <package>
[06:53] <salil> salil: this is a test
[06:53] <Razor-X> levander`: it uses ext3, as do most modern Linux distributions
[06:53] <olivier> thoreauputic, thanks
[06:53] <salil> doesn't work when i send message to myself..??
[06:53] <salil> :P
[06:53] <apokryphos> salil: it won't to yourself, no.
[06:53] <salil> lol
[06:53] <salil> just trying..
[06:53] <|rockinnerd|> !libbctl1
[06:53] <ubotu> |rockinnerd|: Are you smoking crack?
[06:53] <apokryphos> !info libbtctl1
[06:53] <thoreauputic> olivier: but you probably didn;t need to since most stuff is in synaptic/apt
[06:53] <levander`> Razor-X: no udev is just for /dev, it's not a general purpose filesystem
[06:53] <Razor-X> I see all names bolded in white, except the names I type that are bolded in red
[06:53] <ubotu> libbtctl1: (GObject Bluetooth library), section universe/libs, is optional. Version: 0.4.1-1ubuntu3 (hoary), Packaged size: 25 kB, Installed size: 116 kB
[06:53] <topyli> olivier: why are you downloading debs? what package is that?
[06:53] <Razor-X> !info zsh30
[06:54] <ubotu> zsh30: (A shell with lots of features), section universe/shells, is optional. Version: 3.0.8-11 (hoary), Packaged size: 447 kB, Installed size: 864 kB
[06:54] <Razor-X> !info zsh
[06:54] <apokryphos> salil: there.. try installing that package. It's in Universe. You'll have to enable it if you haven't done so already
[06:54] <ubotu> zsh: (A shell with lots of features), section shells, is optional. Version: 4.2.1-15ubuntu5 (hoary), Packaged size: 1949 kB, Installed size: 5816 kB
[06:54] <|rockinnerd|> stop abusing ubotu
[06:54] <|rockinnerd|> lol
[06:54] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell salil about repositories
[06:54] <olivier> skype
[06:54] <Razor-X> |rockinnerd|: i'm not
[06:54] <|rockinnerd|> ok
[06:54] <salil> i have..
[06:54] <|rockinnerd|> !repositories
[06:54] <ubotu> somebody said repositories was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto, or repos
[06:54] <Razor-X> I'm looking for the difference between the two packages
[06:54] <deprave> ladies and gentlemen, AOL on linux!
[06:54] <topyli> olivier: oh yes, that is an exception
[06:54] <salil> no no.. i already started it..
[06:54] <Razor-X> all I can see is filesize... :(
[06:54] <|rockinnerd|> where?
[06:54] <thoreauputic> olivier: ah that's Ok then if it's statically compiled
[06:54] <|rockinnerd|> aol bloze
[06:54] <|rockinnerd|> imho
[06:54] <olivier> anyway, it was a wrong download ....
[06:54] <salil> but.. i still have to install something this -> gnome-bluetooth-0.5.1
[06:55] <deprave> uh for dialup, this is the fastest dialup i've ever had
[06:55] <|rockinnerd|> http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialAOL.html here we are
[06:55] <apokryphos> salil: is that why you were trying to install those libraries?
[06:55] <thoreauputic> olivier: there's an apt sources line for skype by the way
[06:55] <salil> yes..
[06:55] <apokryphos> salil: ahh. That's int he repositories too. Just click to install it and it will resolve all dependencies for you
[06:55] <salil> apokryphos: yes.
[06:55] <olivier> thoreauputic, is there a version for IA64?
[06:55] <salil> ooh..
[06:55] <apokryphos> salil: no dependency hell as with compiling :)
[06:55] <salil> let me try
[06:56] <levander`> How can I tell if my system is using "udev"?
[06:56] <thoreauputic> olivier: ah, that I don't know, sorry
[06:56] <topyli> levander`: if it's ubuntu, it should
[06:56] <salil> apokryphos : got it.. thanks
[06:56] <apokryphos> cool
[06:57] <levander`> topyli: okay, fair enough
[06:57] <olivier> so, with ubuntu IA64 I can't run x86 programs?
[06:57] <apokryphos> salil: as a note, you can use tab for autocompletion of nicks in IRC. i.e. sal-<tab>
[06:57] <thoreauputic> olivier: here's the line - you could go have a look if there's an amd64 version
[06:57] <thoreauputic> deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
[06:57] <salil> apokryphos : ooh.. i didn't know that..
[06:57] <olivier> thoreauputic, thanks
[06:57] <thoreauputic> olivier: I think probably not
[06:57] <salil> apokryphos, thanks
[06:58] <apokryphos> no worries
[06:58] <frank> olivier: that's amd64 not IA64
[06:58] <salil> apokryphos, can you tell me how do i enable bluetooth device..?
[06:58] <chris___2> I got the Network setup but now that the system boots with internet gnome doesn't start a session.
[06:58] <apokryphos> salil: after it's installed? I wouldn't know, sorry (don't use bluetooth). Others here may know.
[06:59] <ajcool> what is ppc linux?
[06:59] <olivier> frank : ok :)
[06:59] <LeeColleton> the topic says NOT to use breezy yet, why?
[06:59] <hybrid_goth> ajcool: linux on mac hardware
[06:59] <nalioth> ajcool: linux for mac hardware (and some IBM hardware)
[06:59] <^thehatsrule^> powerpc
[07:00] <ajcool> oh okay
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> LeeColleton,  it promotes global warming.
[07:00] <thoreauputic> chris___2: is loopback enabled in /etc/network/interfaces ?  ( 127.0.0.1 )
[07:00] <salil> apokryphos, all the things are already installed but.. i don't know how to use them.. :(
[07:00] <jeremywhiting> hi all
[07:00] <LeeColleton> is it just a head on a stick to scare off the faint of heart?
[07:00] <apokryphos> salil: alt+f2 -> gnome-bluetooth  ..perhaps?
[07:00] <olivier> so, is there something like a x86 emulator? or it doesn't make sense at all ?
[07:01] <jeremywhiting> anyone know if there's a way to convert a debian box to ubuntu?
[07:01] <LeeColleton> or are there still too many crashes/usability issues
[07:01] <salil> got it..
[07:01] <apokryphos> salil: there should ideally be something about it in the menu, though I don't really know how gnome works.
[07:01] <apokryphos> cool
[07:01] <chris___2> iface lo inet loopback <- Is that it?
[07:01] <salil> its gnome-bluetooth-manager
[07:01] <frank> LeeColleton: basically, that and if you run into trouble (you will, X is broken) you're on your own
[07:02] <thoreauputic> olivier: there's a howto on the wiki for a chroot x86 I seem to recall
[07:02] <CoffeeBreaks> bob2: (follow up from yesterday) I finally installed ubuntu on the SATA disk using a temporary IDE disk, then manually installed 2.6.12.3 then copied system onto SATA disk + chroot/mkinitrd/grub magic. thanks
[07:02] <phixion> is breezy avail for download yet btw?
[07:02] <thoreauputic> chris___2: that looks like it , yeah
[07:02] <chris___2> Im guessing my video card isn't well supported, I have a Radeon 9000/64meg gnome started up now but it waited a long time.
[07:02] <chris___2> everytime I use a GL X-screensaver I get a black screen of death pretty much.
[07:03] <thoreauputic> !drivers
[07:03] <p1tst0p> hi, is there a way, to have 2 ethernet cards in linux, both with a seperate cable modem attached, and enable some kind of load balancing to merge the bandwidth of the 2 modems ?
[07:03] <ubotu> drivers is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com//BinaryDriverHowto
[07:03] <salil> apokryphos, it did install.. but its not detecting my adapter.. !!
[07:03] <topyli> phixion: i don't think so. you can only upgrade from hoary if you don't mind a broken system
[07:03] <phixion> ok thx
[07:03] <thoreauputic> chris___2: the binary drivers URL above might help
[07:03] <Kimppa> Hello. I have this weird problem. I have two screens  (tft and crt)  attached to my video card. Both are showing the same view, so they are dublicates. My problem is when I try to view an video file. CRT will show it properly but the TFT screen just show black :-/
[07:03] <LeeColleton> frank: so it should say BREEZY NOT SUPPORTED (YET)
[07:04] <LeeColleton> I mean, the whole idea is that we should use it and test for buggage, right?
[07:04] <apokryphos> salil: heh
[07:04] <stan-am> hello everyone
[07:04] <stan-am> is anybody having problems with google n gmail?
[07:04] <topyli> LeeColleton: then you should really be chatting at #ubuntu-devel. i don't think their topic has this warning :)
[07:04] <frank> LeeColleton: yeah but that would lead people to think that it actually works, which for many (well me at least) it doesn't
[07:05] <thoreauputic> LeeColleton: sure but currently you need to be a developer or very clued to use breezy in practical terms
[07:06] <vatore> LeeColleton: what's your gmail problem? isn't it browser-related?
[07:06] <stan-am> is anybody having problems with google n gmail?
[07:07] <hybrid_goth> stan-am: like?
[07:07] <thoreauputic> stan-am: please don't repeat
[07:07] <vatore> oh sorry that's your question
[07:07] <stan-am> like does pages not loading
[07:07] <stan-am> just those
[07:07] <vatore> what browser?
[07:07] <vatore> did you try another browser?
[07:07] <stan-am> firefox
[07:08] <vatore> stan-am: I think that's not related to Ubuntu...
[07:08] <ds_> it works fine with me.
[07:08] <vatore> me too
[07:09] <ds_> but sometimes I get those errors with Safari, just close the browser and re login to gmail.
[07:11] <deprave> is it difficult to mount another hard drive and use it for spare storage space in ubuntu
[07:11] <thenuke> deprave: no
[07:11] <hybrid_goth> nah
[07:11] <deprave> cool
[07:12] <deprave> thanks
[07:12] <delire> deprave: it involves adding a single line to /etc/fstab
[07:12] <deprave> solid.
[07:12] <thenuke> rock
[07:12] <deprave> when i run out of space i shall do so.
[07:12] <deprave> because i'm lazy like that.
[07:12] <Ziggity> Help
[07:12] <thenuke> deprave: :)
[07:12] <Ziggity> Firefix stopped working
[07:13] <nalioth> delire: for a "normally" one-shot editing session?
[07:13] <thoreauputic> Ziggity: more info required...
[07:14] <delire> nalioth: i don't think it's so one-shot. it could be given the context of 'manage storage devices' and provide interface to other services, like DMA and partition naming.
[07:14] <Ziggity> click the Icon to start it - task bar sez starting Firefox .. then nothing happens..
[07:14] <olivier> how can I add an entry to the PATH variable? (once for all)
[07:14] <tommi^> Hi. I have installed openoffice.org-gnomevfs package but the oo.org file dialog still isn't the gnome one and I can't access vfs'. What can I do? Thanks
[07:15] <Belutz> Seveas: hai! :D do you know how to load ubuntu live CD where the CD ROM is in RAID?
[07:15] <olivier> ha nevermind ....
[07:15] <stan-am> hey guys, im experiencing some very slow browsing speed with any browser, can anyone giveme a hand?
[07:15] <goldfish> stan-am: firefox?
[07:15] <thoreauputic> Ziggity: run firefox froma terminal and see if there are errors
[07:15] <goldfish> oh any
[07:15] <levander`> I installed a new kernel during the last upgrade, but haven't rebooted.  I'm not running it yet am I?
[07:15] <nalioth> delire: a multifaceted gui interface is a good idea "./system_guts_spanner"
[07:15] <deprave> stan-am: IPv6?
[07:15] <goldfish> stan-am: turn off ipv6 in them
[07:15] <delire> Belutz: hmm, good question.
[07:16] <thoreauputic> olivier: edit /etc/bash,bashrc
[07:16] <nalioth> levander`: not yet
[07:16] <stan-am> how do i o that?
[07:16] <jowi> Ziggity, you can try to type in 'killall firefox-bin' then restart firefox again
[07:16] <delire> nalioth: agreed, while SuSE is a little shite in other areas, it's Yast interface does provide this.
[07:16] <Belutz> delire: yup... i want to try the ubuntu in my PC first, but got problem with that
[07:16] <levander`> nalioth: would uname -a repot the version of the new kernel, or the kernel I'm still running?
[07:16] <stan-am> is there a command like : " ipconfig /flushdns" on linux?
[07:16] <vatore> stan-am: or try to use/disable/change proxy (depends on your actual configuration)
[07:16] <nalioth> delire: YAST is either santified or vilified
[07:16] <nalioth> levander`: your running one, i'd assume
[07:16] <delire> nalioth: true
[07:17] <thoreauputic> levander`: the current running kernel
[07:17] <levander`> stan-am: you could try restarting your dhclient
[07:17] <delire> Belutz: it's been along time since i've used RAID. i don't think i can offer useful help.
[07:17] <Gourami> what do I need to install for mplayer to play dvd's ?
[07:17] <psychonate> Gourami, libdvdcss.
[07:17] <stan-am> how do i do that levander?
[07:17] <nalioths_dog> Gourami: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[07:17] <thoreauputic> Gourami: probably libdvdcss2
[07:17] <Gourami> psychonate:
[07:17] <delire> stan-am: if you 'sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart' does the slow down continue?
[07:17] <Gourami> already installed
[07:17] <Belutz> delire: it's ok... in the forums just discussing about hdd that is on RAID, not CD ROM drives
[07:17] <Goek> Gourami, use synaptic
[07:17] <stan-am> let me see delire
[07:18] <psychonate> Gourami, is mplayer crashing?
[07:18] <delire> Belutz: ahah
[07:18] <levander`> nalioth: thoreauputic: but  'uname -a' reports 2.6.10 and I don't see a kernel with a higher version number than that in /boot
[07:18] <Gourami> I installed libdvd with vlc but then installed mplayer afterwards
[07:18] <psychonate> Gourami, does mplayer crash when you try to play DVDs?
[07:19] <thoreauputic> levander`: it doesn't report that, it reports more
[07:19] <digitalfox|sleep> psychonate, it does for me
[07:19] <psychonate> Gourami, there is a bug that affects many it seems, where mplayer crashes when it encounters AC3 audio. That could be your problem as well.
[07:19] <levander`> is there any file in /proc that reports the kernel running so I can double check? Maybe I am running the new kernael, even though I know I haven't rebooted.
[07:19] <Gourami> psychonate: when I start up I get a face/font error and when I try play a dvd I get Fatal could not initialise
[07:19] <psychonate> The bug isn't filed in the bugzilla yet though.
[07:19] <delire> stan-am: also, run 'top' and see if it's the browser that's eating system resources. i find that heavy flash sites can really slow down my system. also too many embedded java applets.
[07:19] <levander`> thoreauputic: Linux bread 2.6.10-5-686-smp #1 SMP Tue Jun 7 09:34:54 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[07:19] <thoreauputic> levander`: for instance,  2.6.10-5-686
[07:19] <devios_> what app is everyone using in ubuntu for NNTP and ripping binaries out of NNTP?
[07:20] <psychonate> Gourami, the font face thing is easily fixable
[07:20] <thoreauputic> levander`: what are you expecting to see?
[07:20] <levander`> thoreauputic: the only other kernel is a 2.6.8 smp
[07:20] <nalioth> devios_: i use Pan for my nntp purposes
[07:20] <thoreauputic> levander`: and?
[07:20] <Gourami> vlc was working but everyone said that mplayer was sooo fantastic
[07:20] <Gourami> I cant open a .ts or a dvd
[07:20] <levander`> thoreauputic: well, since I've installed a new kernel with my last update, but haven't rebooted yet, i'd expect to find a higher kernel version than I'm currently running, as stated above.
[07:20] <psychonate> Mplayer is fantastic, but actually IMO XINE is the best for DVDs.
[07:21] <delire> Gourami: have you tried 'mplayer dvd://'?
[07:21] <thoreauputic> levander`: ah I see what you mean now
[07:21] <psychonate> Gourami, it normally can open DVDs, but I can't get the Ubuntu build to do it. It crashes for me everytime it encounters AC3.
[07:21] <chaps0063> Any reason why open office wouldn't work for me off default install?
[07:21] <delire> psychonate: ouch
[07:21] <Gourami> delire ?
[07:21] <psychonate> delire, it's a common problem in Ubuntu apparently.
[07:22] <levander`> I must be running the new kernel somehow.  If I search packages.ubuntu.com will it tell me the latest kernels in hoary?
[07:22] <tommi^>  I have installed openoffice.org-gnomevfs package but the oo.org file dialog still isn't the gnome one and I can't access vfs'. What can I do? Thanks (last repost)
[07:22] <psychonate> delire, I suppose I should file a bug.
[07:22] <delire> psychonate: hmm, wonder why that is..
[07:22] <thoreauputic> levander`: check what you have in /var/cache/apt/archives
[07:22] <chaps0063> it just freezes and I can't get into OO word or anything
[07:22] <delire> psychonate: if it's as reproduceable as you say, then definitely.
[07:22] <thoreauputic> levander`: there's no way your kernel can change without a reboot
[07:22] <psychonate> delire, sure, I'll show you something
[07:23] <Gourami> delire: MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: decode_audio
[07:23] <Gourami> - MPlayer crashed by bad usage of CPU/FPU/RAM.
[07:23] <frank> I don't think mplayer has dvd menu support, does it?
[07:23] <delire> Gourami: ouch.. and this same dvd plays in vlc?
[07:23] <salil> does anyone know.. how to uninstall KUBUNTU.....??
[07:23] <psychonate> delire, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=46138&highlight=mplayer+dvd+crash
[07:23] <Gourami> delire: yes
[07:24] <jowi> salil, format the partition?
[07:24] <levander`> well, packages.ubuntu.com says that 2.6.11 is the latest kernel.  That must have been the one I installed with the last update.  Does it just get put in /boot after I reboot the first time?
[07:24] <thoreauputic> levander`: if it's a patch on an existing version you may only see the difference in the full package name as on the .deb
[07:24] <psychonate> delire, basically, one can compile mplayer from scratch to fix the problem. The Ubuntu build uses Ubuntu's libavcodec rather than the one included with mplayer. This causes problems.
[07:24] <chaps0063> would anyone know why openoffice fails to open completely?
[07:24] <frank> salil: you mean so you only have ubuntu with no kde?
[07:24] <thoreauputic> levander`: 2.6.11 is deprecated and will never be installed unless you chose it
[07:25] <psychonate> delire, but if one compiles mplayer from scratch, it won't be managed by apt :(
[07:25] <delire> Gourami: apparently this is a known problem. psychonate has posted the exact same issue: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=46138&highlight=mplayer+dvd+crash
[07:25] <psychonate> delire, well, I didn't even post that.
[07:25] <thoreauputic> levander`: 2,6,11 is unsupported and buggy
[07:25] <delire> psychonate: oh.. didn't read the nick ;)
[07:25] <psychonate> delire, but that is the same problem. It's very common it seems.
[07:25] <levander`> thoreauputic: i think the kernel update just incremented the value reported by uname, even though I'm not running it yet...
[07:26] <thoreauputic> *sigh* uname -a reports the *running* kernel
[07:26] <Gourami> alsa-uninit: pcm closed
[07:26] <psychonate> delire, I tried using that guy's patch (mentioned in one of the posts in that thread), but I don't know how to use 'dpatch'
[07:26] <levander`> thoreauputic: well, I updated half an hour ago, i saw a new kernel installed, and I know I haven't rebooted in the last hour
[07:27] <Gourami> psychonate: not using a notebook are you ?
[07:27] <skalpel> thoreaputic: so what is thoreapy anyway?
[07:27] <thoreauputic> levander`: check the date >> uname -v
[07:27] <psychonate> Gourami, no.
[07:28] <thoreauputic> skalpel: think of henry David Thoreau and Civil Disobedience ;)
[07:28] <levander`> thoreauputic: Tuesday, June 7 is the date on uname -v
[07:28] <xinel> okies its definately my resolution not staying default
[07:28] <xinel> :E
[07:28] <delire> psychonate: perhaps just use 'patch -p0 < patchfile'?
[07:28] <thoreauputic> levander`: that's not a new kernel
[07:28] <skalpel> who is henry david thoreau?
[07:28] <delire> a writer i believe
[07:28] <thoreauputic> levander`: same date as mine (not updated)
[07:29] <thoreauputic>  03:29:00 up 35 days, 11:47,  2 users,  load average: 0.56, 0.27, 0.13
[07:29] <psychonate> delire, that is a patch for a patchfile, but it won't work. Even so, I patched the patchfile by hand then. But I don't know how to use the newly patched patcfile lol
[07:29] <nn> how do i make a window transparent in xorg?\
[07:29] <levander`> there's a log file of the packages I installed of that last update I ran, maybe I misread a package name.
[07:29] <psychonate> s/patcfile/patchfile
[07:29] <levander`> there's a log file?
[07:29] <delire> skalpel: or possibly a certain 'thoreauputic'
[07:29] <psychonate> delire, the patchfile we're patching is for some program called 'dpatch', and I have no idea how to use it.
[07:30] <delire> psychonate: oh, never used 'dpatch'
[07:31] <delire> skalpel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoreau
[07:32] <Gourami> what is the best format to rip dvd to ?
[07:32] <psychonate> well, personally, I use XINE for DVD, and mplayer for everything else. But DVDs aren't the only files with AC3 :(
[07:32] <thenuke> Gourami: propably xvid
[07:32] <enyc_> 'gour: depends what you trying to do with it ;-)
[07:32] <delire> Gourami: ogg or xvid
[07:32] <Gourami> havent seen xvid in vlc lemme check
[07:32] <psychonate> ogg=container ;)
[07:32] <enyc_> 'gour: e.g. trying to copy to another dvd,  trying to keep for laer viewing / record-as-small(er)-file,  or keep vfor viewing and write to another DVD later maybe ;p
[07:33] <delire> psychonate: ok ok 'theora' ;)
[07:33] <psychonate> :) ty
[07:33] <psychonate> I still haven't tried theora
[07:33] <psychonate> I trust XviD
[07:33] <Gourami> no xvid in vlc
[07:33] <Gourami> vlc does ogg, will try it out
[07:33] <enyc_> theora works... its somewhat buggy/incomplete-implementaations though
[07:33] <enyc_> 'e.g. mplayer doesnt seem to "scale" a theora video
[07:34] <delire> enyc_: hmm
[07:34] <psychonate> For one-CD rips, I think the best I've used was XviD + Vorbis in a matroska container
[07:34] <psychonate> least overhead with maximum functionality IMO
[07:34] <delire> hah matroska. this is popular currently.
[07:34] <Gourami> what do you mean by container ?
[07:34] <delire> bubbling up from the swamp..
[07:35] <psychonate> Gourami, for instance, AVI is a container
[07:35] <psychonate> it "holds" the audio/video streams
[07:35] <Gourami> ok container=format ?
[07:35] <delire> Gourami: it provides header information largely, and regulates playback. you probably know it as format yes.
[07:35] <Gourami> ok
[07:36] <psychonate> I always liked dvd::rip, but I don't really use that stuff much anymore
[07:36] <nn> this is an interesting conversation as i'm writing a media player right now
[07:36] <nn> designed for our handheld offering :)
[07:36] <psychonate> nice
[07:36] <delire> nn: good..
[07:36] <nn> got a long while til it's usable tho
[07:37] <delire> psychonate: gtanscode is worth a look, though i think kmenc15 and dvd:rip are fabulous
[07:37] <psychonate> I like a media player that can play anything I need, which is I why it bugs me that  my mplayer crashes heh
[07:37] <nn> but trying to find a "native" media format that's open and good quality for size on 640x480 (7" wide-screen)
[07:37] <delire> psychonate: *gtranscode to be corrent
[07:38] <psychonate> I might check them out sometime, but I haven't had to encode anything for months now heh
[07:38] <nn> bblbbiab
[07:38] <psychonate> except for my audio CDs :)
[07:38] <delire> psychonate: well, here on debian it's been years since i've had issues with mplayer.
[07:39] <psychonate> I was thinking about trying unstable
[07:39] <psychonate> bu I think I'm going to go with LFS, instead, for a learning experience
[07:39] <psychonate> (I have a spare, older box I'm going to use)
[07:39] <psychonate> s/bu/but
[07:39] <xinel> okies its gnome that keeps changing my resolution :E
[07:40] <delire> psychonate: a good move. ubuntu has defaults far more sensible than debian for desktop users, but frankly i love a good debian testing/unstable mix.
[07:40] <delire> psychonate: linux from scratch will teach you a great deal.
[07:40] <fabbione> does anybody know if evolution can work together with spamassassin?
[07:41] <fabbione> i recall we did something about it.. but i don't remember the details...
[07:41] <psychonate> Yeah, that's what I'm hoping for.
[07:41] <delire> fabbione: i believe so, esp a combo of procmail with a mail transport agent like exim.
[07:41] <psychonate> Gentoo taught me a good deal; I feel that LFS is the next logical step.
[07:42] <xinel> okies i have one setting in xorg "1280x1024" and gnome keeps restarting in 1024x768
[07:42] <xinel> :(
[07:42] <fabbione> delire: i know that kind of combination. i mean if evo can interface directly with spamassassin
[07:42] <delire> fabbione: it's been years, i don't know.
[07:42] <topyli> psychonate: or build a gnu/hurd box :)
[07:42] <psychonate> topyli, that may be a bit above me yet lol
[07:42] <delire> psychonate: or try Plan9 ;)
[07:43] <DaSkreech> psychonate: Is'nt LFS a fairly obvious step?
[07:43] <xyz> Hey everyone.
[07:43] <psychonate> DaSkreech, I suppose so
[07:44] <delire> fabbione: http://krath.dk/linux/evolution_spamfilter/
[07:44] <levander`> okay, so I finally got my devices created for packet writing!
[07:44] <delire> levander`: lovely!
[07:45] <levander`> but, i have a slower disc in the drive than what the drive supports and cdrwtool is reporting it's setting to a faster writing speed than the disc supports.  Any way to lower this?
[07:45] <elph0> hi all
[07:45] <fabbione> delire: thanks
[07:46] <Gourami> I cant open firestarter Failed to run /usr/sbin/firestarter:
[07:46] <Gourami>  Unable to copy the user's Xauthorization file.
[07:46] <delire> fabbione: anytime
[07:47] <levander`> well, unfortunately, the fact that I got that device file written means nothing, i still can't write dvd discs
[07:47] <Jet2k5> hello everyone
[07:47] <thenuke> hlo
[07:47] <topyli> Gourami: from the menu?
[07:48] <Gourami> yes topyli
[07:48] <Goek> Hey. i wanna open my torrent by default with azurues and not bittorent-gnome-thingie
[07:48] <Goek> what to do?
[07:48] <ph8> Seveas: Why do you recommend burning slowly?
[07:48] <topyli> Gourami: try from a terminal just for the hell of it :)
[07:48] <Jet2k5> Guys tell me if you consider this a bug:  I open synaptic to remove a package.  While I have that little menu to " remove, complete removal " I can't control sounds.
[07:49] <reagleBRKLN> how to install openoffice.org2? i have openoffice.org2-debian-files, openoffice.org2, openoffice.org2-writer, etc. but no exectuable files
[07:49] <reagleBRKLN> nothin in bin
[07:49] <`psycho> how do i enable ident serv?
[07:49] <Gourami> topyli: I get told I have to be sudo
[07:50] <topyli> Gourami: well, use sudo :)
[07:50] <delire> Goek: i believe you can manipulate mime-types/default applications in Gnome using a GUI interface. i haven't got Gnome handy however to assist.
[07:50] <topyli> reagleBRKLN: where did you get the packages? apt from ubuntu repositories?
[07:50] <Gourami> topyli: but why suddenly ? and wont run from the menu ?
[07:50] <AlexBO> Hello! I would like to download KDevelop with synaptic, but there are two packages: Kdevelop (An IDE for Unix/X11) and KDevelop3 (An IDE for Unix/X11 - development version).Which are the differences?
[07:50] <Gourami> it runs with sudo from terminal
[07:51] <reagleBRKLN> topyli: http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe
[07:51] <delire> Gourami: sudo == do as super-user (or "super user do"). this is used for executing commands that require administrative priveledges.
[07:51] <Goek> delire, ok
[07:51] <topyli> Gourami: you do need root privileges. the menu entry uses gksudo too
[07:51] <Goek> thanks anyway
[07:51] <jasoncohen> reagleBRKLN, if you installed openoffice.org2 you should see openoffice.org2 entries in applications > office menu
[07:51] <jasoncohen> Goek, it's easy
[07:51] <delire> topyli: good call.
[07:51] <xyz> Anyone have any luck running the AMD64 live CD on a HP L2000 laptop? Locks up when booting Ubuntu, might be the ATI card...
[07:52] <Goek> jasoncohen,  then please share your wisdom
[07:52] <Gourami> delire: topyli it was working up untill now without sudo, will restart a bit later
[07:52] <topyli> reagleBRKLN: oh yeah, jasoncohen is right, the binaries get installed in /usr/lib/openoffice.org or something
[07:52] <simple> gedit: error while loading shared libraries: libXext.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:52] <jasoncohen> Goek, right click on the torrent file, choose properties, and then Open With. Select the application you want to open with
[07:52] <simple> ^
[07:52] <reagleBRKLN> ok, i see it is there
[07:52] <simple> i've overwritten /etc/lo.so.conf on accident.. well without knowing i'd ruin the desktop
[07:52] <simple> what do i add back to it?
[07:52] <delire> reagleBRKLN: you may find 'whereis openoffice.org'
[07:52] <delire> reagleBRKLN: .. useful
[07:53] <jasoncohen> simple, one second
[07:53] <elmagozizou> How do I unrar files?
[07:53] <drcode> hi all
[07:53] <delire> reagleBRKLN: regardless, they should show up in the menu. if not, log out and back in (perhaps).
[07:53] <geppy> elmagozizou: unrar foo.rar ;)
[07:53] <topyli> Gourami: it's an X error or some other black magic
[07:53] <c0al> elmagozizou, sudo apt-get install unrar-nonfree
[07:53] <jasoncohen> simple, apt-file is nice for these things. it downloads a compressed tarball with a list of every package and all the files they contain
[07:53] <c0al> elmagozizou, then unrar e package.rar
[07:54] <elmagozizou> c0al, tnkz
[07:54] <c0al> elmagozizou, np :)
[07:54] <jasoncohen> simple, sudo apt-get install apt-file ; apt-file update
[07:54] <simple> yeah, but if you open /etc/lo.so.conf in gedit.. what does it say?
[07:54] <nalioth> c0al: unrar x is better, it retains directory structures
[07:54] <simple> i'm guessing it'd be the same, if you've gone with alot of default
[07:54] <topyli> reagleBRKLN: killing gnome-panel (it will respawn) will update the menu too
[07:54] <c0al> nalioth, thanks.
[07:55] <jasoncohen> simple, i have no /etc/lo.so.conf
[07:55] <delire> jasoncohen: /etc/ld.so.conf?
[07:55] <jasoncohen>  /usr/X11R6/lib
[07:56] <GeistFloripas> I can't use the Mplayer, although it's installed (MPlayer-k7). It opens and freezes as i try to play every thing, both videos or audios.
[07:56] <simple> that was it! thanks
[07:56] <cshields> greetings!   anyone know how to boot the PPC install cd on a PegasosPPC?
[07:56] <jasoncohen> simple, apt-file search libXext.so.6 yields
[07:56] <cshields> (from the SmartFirmware)
[07:56] <GeistFloripas> Some sugestion?
[07:56] <jasoncohen> libxext6
[07:56] <jasoncohen> libxext6-dbg
[07:56] <delire> GeistFloripas: it's a bit broken currently. your problem is shared by many ;(
[07:56] <[madman] > GeistFloripas:  hello. did you try mplayer -nosound ?
[07:56] <GeistFloripas> no
[07:56] <jasoncohen> simple, sudo apt-get install --reinstall libxext6
[07:56] <jasoncohen> simple, you probably mistakenly removed the file
[07:57] <[madman] > GeistFloripas:  i'd suggest compiling mplayer yourself. all distros have mplayer broken ;)
[07:57] <simple> nah
[07:57] <simple> i meant to add to it
[07:57] <simple> i overwritten that line
[07:57] <jasoncohen> [madman] , works fine for me
[07:57] <simple> tyvm, apt-file sound mighty helpfull
[07:57] <topyli> GeistFloripas: i suggest using xine :)
[07:57] <jasoncohen> simple, you mean /usr/X1146/lib
[07:58] <jasoncohen> /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6
[07:58] <jasoncohen> ah, i see. so it was there but it couldn't find it because it didn't have the correct path
[07:58] <topyli> GeistFloripas: that way you get to choose from a few guis, all of them more sane than mplayer's
[07:58] <simple> using apt-file
[07:58] <simple> yeah
[07:58] <jasoncohen> simple, you already have it installed. you just didn't have the correct path in /etc/ld.so.conf
[07:58] <jasoncohen> simple, edit /etc/ld.so.conf and then type "sudo ldconfig"
[07:58] <simple> i installed wx-gtk2 and had to add a line to the file
[07:59] <[madman] > topyli:  as for guis it's easiest to assume that mplayer doesn't have one ;)
[07:59] <GeistFloripas> I heard about it, but i thought it'd better be with the automatic upgrades. There's any problem if i compile it myself? Should i disable or desintall the Mplayer in synaptic in this case?
[07:59] <delire> [madman] : gmplayer isn't *that* bad ;)
[07:59] <[madman] > topyli:  but the lack of gui doesn't make it worse ;)
[07:59] <bionic> how do i check how much ram i have in the machine?
[07:59] <Seveas> gui schmui :)
[07:59] <delire> bionic: ram
[07:59] <delire> bionic: top
[07:59] <Seveas> bionic, cat /proc/meminfo
[07:59] <topyli> [madman] : it never does if i for some reason happen to have it installed :)
[07:59] <jasoncohen> if you want a gui, use totem, xine-ui, kaffeine or vlc- not mplayer
[07:59] <[madman] > bionic:  open the case and check the modules ;)
[07:59] <jasoncohen> i find xine-ui best for DVDs
[08:00] <jasoncohen> bionic, type "top"
[08:00] <[madman] > bionic:  seriously - dmesg shows it ;)
[08:00] <xyz> Anyone have any luck running the AMD64 live CD on a HP L2000 laptop? Locks up when booting Ubuntu after detecting hardware, might be the ATI card...
[08:00] <bionic> Seveas, uhm, says Memtotal: 906660 kB, and i have 2x 512 1x 256?
[08:00] <jasoncohen> bionic, Mem:    646448k total
[08:00] <xinel> any working scripts for an all encompassing media?
[08:00] <jasoncohen> look for the Mem line
[08:00] <delire> xyz: not sure, have you looked at the Ubuntu laptop list?
[08:00] <bionic> Cant it be that ubuntu doesnt detect it all?
[08:01] <xyz> One second
[08:01] <bionic> Just rebooted, the bios counted the ram right..
[08:01] <[madman] > also free shows how much memory you have
[08:02] <[madman] >              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[08:02] <[madman] > Mem:        507488     251644     255844          0      12320     102704
[08:02] <topyli> xinel: i cannot parse that. define "all encompassing media"
[08:02] <[madman] > it's for 512M machine
[08:02] <bionic> Well yeah, but i have more than the ram it shows
[08:03] <bionic> my machine is much slower now all of a sudden
[08:03] <bionic> hmm
[08:03] <Daemonic> bionic: sms?
[08:03] <xinel> haha
[08:03] <xinel> plays most everything
[08:03] <bionic> Daehlie, sms?
[08:03] <xinel> and not just in my pants
[08:03] <Daemonic> bionic: slow machine syndrom?
[08:03] <salil> can anyone tell me how to uninstall kubuntu-desktop...??
[08:04] <topyli> xinel: well, xine, mplayer, vlc all do
[08:04] <bionic> Daemonic, uhm
[08:04] <[madman] > salapoliisi:  apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop ?
[08:04] <salil> i want full uninstallation.. all the packages and everything..
[08:04] <xyz> List doesn't have it, does that mean it's unsupported/won't work?
[08:04] <reagleBRKLN> urd:/root> /usr/sbin/oooprelink1.9 -f
[08:04] <reagleBRKLN> Prelinking OpenOffice.org binaries... /usr/sbin/prelink.bin: Could not stat /usr/lib/openoffice/program/*.bin: No such file or directory
[08:04] <reagleBRKLN> something not right there
[08:04] <GeistFloripas> Thanks man... it's a bit strange. I've tried xine a week ago and didn't work. Now, after updating the system it's all right.
[08:04] <delire> bionic: what were you doing when it first slowed down?
[08:04] <delire> reagleBRKLN: what are you trying to do?
[08:04] <reagleBRKLN> prelink oo
[08:05] <topyli> reagleBRKLN: i don't think there are such files
[08:05] <reagleBRKLN> indeed not
[08:05] <bionic> delire, chatting, and downloading some stuff mainly
[08:05] <hondje> there are
[08:05] <bionic> gkrellm shows 885 total memory
[08:05] <reagleBRKLN> i think that script wants /usr/lib/openoffice2/program/
[08:05] <som1> why is tracepath gettings getting pings so fast and why are results so high? (if i tracepath the first hop(not my ip), i get 120ms.. if i ping it, i get 25ms)
[08:06] <hondje> ls /usr/lib/openoffice/program | grep bin shows them
[08:06] <salil> pt-get remove kubuntu-desktop removes only that specific package.. not others which have been installed while installing kubuntu. .!!
[08:06] <delire> som1: hehe good question.
[08:06] <skalpel> can someone help me with this error? i got it while trying to install um. firefox through synaptic E: /var/cache/apt/archives/firefox_1.0.6-1ubuntu1~5.04ubp1_i386.deb:  trying to overwrite `/var/lib/mozilla-firefox/extensions.d/00classic', which is also in package mozilla-firefox
[08:06] <som1> delire, any ideas?
[08:06] <delire> som1: packet sizes the same ? ;)
[08:06] <`psycho> why isn't identd located in etc/init.d ?
[08:06] <som1> i dont know the packet sizes
[08:07] <Daemonic> hmm.. ubuntu configures sound cards using alsa, right?
[08:07] <delire> som1: well ping is 64 bytes
[08:07] <jasoncohen> skalpel, grrr, damn backports, heh
[08:07] <`psycho> any clues ?
[08:07] <[madman] > Daemonic:  tight
[08:07] <topyli> Daemonic: yes
[08:07] <elph0> why ubuntu adopted inetd and not xinetd ?
[08:07] <skalpel> jasoncohen: yes, i suppose so.
[08:07] <jasoncohen> skalpel, you'll want to disable your backports source
[08:07] <salil> anyone.. know how to uninstall kubuntu with all the dependencies uninstalled as well..??
[08:07] <topyli> elph0: probably debian heritage
[08:07] <jasoncohen> skalpel, and then sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:08] <Daemonic> well it alsa fuxz0r3d up trying to configure my sound...
[08:08] <Daemonic> -it
[08:08] <skalpel> disable my backport source? can you help me with that?
[08:08] <[madman] > salil:  have an idea
[08:08] <hondje> elph0: licence on xinted
[08:08] <[madman] > salil:  remove kdelibs, all kde packages should depend on it
[08:08] <[madman] > ;)
[08:08] <`psycho> anyone? i need to start up a identd serv
[08:08] <elph0> hondje: wow! really?
[08:08] <`psycho> but i'm not using inetd
[08:08] <jasoncohen> skalpel, yes, first do this for me dpkg -l | grep mozilla-firefox
[08:09] <som1> so, if anyone knows whats the packet size tracepath uses
[08:09] <skalpel> sure
[08:09] <jasoncohen> skalpel, sorry, dpkg -l mozilla-firefox
[08:09] <salil> [madman] , let me try
[08:09] <hondje> elph0: yeah, it's free but not gpl compatable
[08:09] <Belutz> how do i search for files using command line?
[08:09] <som1> Belutz, slocate
[08:09] <som1> is the fastest
[08:09] <skalpel> jasoncohen: no feedback on that one.
[08:09] <Belutz> som1: thx :D
[08:09] <elph0> hondje: humm ok
[08:10] <delire> salil: use synaptic, or 'aptitude purge kubuntu-desktop' might be a good start. then you can use 'deborphan' to get rid of all unused packages. be careful with deborphan though.
[08:10] <jasoncohen> "dpkg -l mozilla-firefox" gives you nothing?
[08:10] <jazzanova> my locale is set to english utf and cyrillic utf.  does this mean that I have to use uxterm ?
[08:10] <hondje> You can install it if you want, though
[08:10] <som1> Belutz youll probably have to update the database
[08:10] <skalpel> jasoncohen: zero.
[08:10] <levander`> delire, why be careful with deborphan?
[08:10] <elph0> `psycho: xinetd i presume?
[08:10] <salil> [madman] , i think its working..
[08:10] <Daemonic> daemonic@Demon:~$ modprobe cs46xx
[08:10] <Daemonic> WARNING: Error inserting ac97_codec (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/sound/oss/ac97_codec.ko): Operation not permitted
[08:10] <Daemonic> FATAL: Error inserting cs46xx (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/sound/oss/cs46xx.ko): Operation not permitted
[08:10] <Daemonic> ideas?
[08:10] <delire> did i say deborphan? i meant debfoster ;)
[08:10] <[madman] > salil:  i'm not sure if it removes _everything_
[08:10] <`psycho> elph0, no, i want to run it in stnadalone mode
[08:10] <Belutz> som1: how?
[08:10] <som1> Belutz, sudo slocate -u
[08:11] <jasoncohen> skalpel, how about dpkg -l firefox
[08:11] <Ocid> Daemonic: use sudo
[08:11] <skalpel> jasoncohen:Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[08:11] <skalpel> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
[08:11] <skalpel> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[08:11] <skalpel> ||/ Name           Version        Description
[08:11] <skalpel> +++-[08:11] <skalpel> in  firefox        1.0.6-1ubuntu1 (no description available)
[08:11] <Daemonic> Ocid: DOH
[08:11] <jazzanova> how do I make xterm use a larger font ?
[08:11] <elph0> `psycho: could you tell me how do that? i think that i never did it before..
[08:12] <topyli> hondje: the xinetd license weirdness was news to me but the modification clause does seem a bit strange
[08:12] <hondje> jazzanova: under settings -> preferences
[08:12] <salil> the thing is.. the shutdown menu in gnome is gone.. and replaced by a new one.. like in KDE..
[08:12] <`psycho> elph0, i can't locate identd in init.d
[08:12] <`psycho> so i don't know myself
[08:12] <[madman] > jazzanova:  no, xterm doesn't use settings
[08:12] <delire> jazzanova: use xfontsel to select a font and then xterm -f <font>
[08:12] <salil> all the KDE dependent packages are gone.. i think.. but.. those little things still bother me..
[08:12] <jasoncohen> skalpel, you have the backports version of firefox installed - 1.0.6
[08:12] <jasoncohen> you are up to date
[08:12] <hondje> topyli: yeah, Stallman ended up saying it wasnt' GPL compatable, and since ubuntu is debian based we're all GNU-licious
[08:12] <[madman] > jazzanova:  you have to give it full font name xterm -fn ...
[08:12] <jazzanova> ok, thanks
[08:12] <elph0> humm ok
[08:12] <topyli> heh
[08:13] <skalpel> jasoncohen: alright
[08:13] <jasoncohen> skalpel, if i were you, i would disable backports, remove firefox, install mozilla-firefox from hoary-security and then add the official backports
[08:13] <salil> can any one tell me how to fix that..?
[08:13] <skalpel> k, how do i disable backports?
[08:13] <jake1> ok.. so i am trying to compile something from source, but it appears i do not have a C compiler.... any suggestions of which i should use
[08:13] <hondje> oh, he said xTERM, I read xCHAT hehehehe
[08:13] <hondje> jake1: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[08:13] <cadu> ubuntu = easy debian ? :)
[08:14] <topyli> cadu: partly true
[08:14] <Daemonic> Ocid: ok. modprobe cs64xx worked... but now I get... alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[08:14] <hondje> cadu: ubuntu = debian with 'newer' desktop packages and a few things to make it easier, like sudo :)
[08:14] <delire> jazzanova: yes. xterm -fn, i said -f mistakenly for some odd reason.
[08:14] <delire> jake1: apt-get install gcc
[08:14] <topyli> well it's all true but there's more to it
[08:14] <cadu> hondje: debian has sudo :P
[08:14] <jazzanova> i need to have cyrrilic fonts
[08:14] <jazzanova> though
[08:14] <[madman] > jazzanova:  eventually you can add Xterm*font: .... to .Xdefaults
[08:15] <hondje> Yeah, but it's not set up to be sudo-voodoo like ubuntu is
[08:15] <Lorvija> hey, just considering to install ubuntu to my little sisters laptop and i prefer kde but i heard gnome is the default.. is it easy to change to kde?
[08:15] <cadu> sudo-voodoo ?
[08:15] <[madman] > jazzanova:  you can get the font name from xfontsel...
[08:15] <topyli> cadu: debian has most of what ubuntu does but ubuntu sets things up in a sane way by default
[08:15] <jazzanova> also, my locale is utf, so all the dpkg stuff is not showing properly, unless i use uxterm
[08:15] <topyli> heh
[08:16] <jazzanova> it can't display utf in normal xterm
[08:16] <luzbelito> hi, i created a script in ./etc/init.d/ called "adsl" and i execute it with /adsl start to connect. how can i configure ubutu for be automatically launched at boot with any user?
[08:16] <[madman] > jazzanova:  well... xterm never supported unicode well
[08:16] <delire> jazzanova: when you click 'select' in xfontsel, it's copied to the X buffer, so just middle-mouse-button (or CTRL-V) to paste that selection to the term.
[08:16] <jazzanova> ok
[08:16] <jazzanova> what happens if i use uxterm but ssh to a koi8-r system, then i can't see russian
[08:16] <delire> jazzanova: you might want an rxvt-esque terminal, like aterm
[08:17] <delire> jazzanova: hmm
[08:17] <Daemonic> daemonic@Demon:~$ sudo alsamixer
[08:17] <Daemonic> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[08:17] <Daemonic> anyone?
[08:17] <jowi> setxkbmap is nice to use when in X to change languagelayout of the keyboard. But what command can i use to change the layout for a terminal when not using x?
[08:17] <elph0> cadu: simple, reliable debian version i mean
[08:17] <jazzanova> should i convert all my systems to utf too ?
[08:17] <Despeeh> when it is useful to use debfoster ?
[08:17] <hondje> luzbelito: easiest is to make symlinks in the /etc/rcN.d dirs
[08:18] <luzbelito> hondje, ok. can you help me to do that please ?
[08:18] <jazzanova> or should i convert ubuntu away from utf ?
[08:18] <nalioth> Despeeh: cleaning out orphaned pkgs
[08:18] <topyli> jazzanova: i'd say yes. there are old-fashioned things like mail, news and ircnet where you may want to make exceptions
[08:18] <Despeeh> ok thx
[08:18] <topyli> jazzanova: by yes i mean yes utf8 :)
[08:18] <jazzanova> keep utf ?
[08:18] <topyli> yes
[08:19] <Lorvija> hey, just considering to install ubuntu to my little sisters laptop and i prefer kde but i heard gnome is the default.. is it easy to change to kde? or can i just choose when installing?
[08:19] <jazzanova> and make the system i ssh to also utf ?
[08:19] <hondje> luzbelito: sure, but it'll be a second, phone keeps ringing
[08:19] <elph0> Lorvija: Kubuntu?
[08:19] <topyli> jazzanova: sure
[08:19] <levander`> Lorvija: kubuntu, or the kde-desktpo package (not sure about name of that package)
[08:19] <Lorvija> okay thanks elph0 & levander`
[08:20] <luzbelito> hondje, ok
[08:20] <elph0> ok :)
[08:20] <topyli> Lorvija: if you already have ubuntu, you can install the kubuntu-desktop package on that
[08:20] <nalioth> levander`: it's "kubuntu-desktop" for your future usage
[08:20] <Lorvija> topyli well i'm just downloading the ubuntu iso..
[08:21] <Lorvija> so kubuntu&ubuntu have the same software available as debian has?
[08:21] <topyli> Lorvija: but you don't know whether your little sister wants such a complicated desktop :)
[08:21] <elvirolo> hi all
[08:21] <ph8> is the kubuntu download just ubuntu with the kubuntu-desktop package?
[08:21] <Lorvija> topyli she liked it when i showed her knoppix (:
[08:21] <delire> topyli: kids love KDE.
[08:21] <elph0> ah! Why Morphix to livecds distros?
[08:21] <topyli> ph8: yes, and without gnome i guess
[08:21] <Lorvija> okay, does kde and gnome have lots of differencies? for example the speed?
[08:21] <cadu> Lorvija: gnome is lighter
[08:22] <delire> topyli: i've seen a 4 year go completely 'gooey' over it.
[08:22] <highvoltage> it is!?
[08:22] <topyli> delire: well it does look like candy and plastik
[08:22] <erikt> I sadly can't get my live CD to work.
[08:22] <cadu> Lorvija: you could use XFCE4 too ,  it's a very lightweight WM and it's pretty
[08:22] <delire> topyli: many respond deeply to that.
[08:22] <Lorvija> which one would you recommend to complete newbie.. kde or gnome?
[08:22] <elvirolo> could anyone tell me what the name (of the executable that is) of the GNOME utility which deals with network configuration?
[08:22] <cadu> Lorvija: you'll only miss rootwindow icons but you could use something like ROX
[08:22] <highvoltage> xfce is definately lighter. both gnome and kde are resource hogs.
[08:22] <cadu> highvoltage: nah, kde is more :)
[08:22] <topyli> Lorvija: honestly, since you can support kde better...
[08:22] <cadu> !start a wm ware
[08:22] <ubotu> cadu: No idea
[08:23] <highvoltage> network-admin
[08:23] <elvirolo> highvoltage, thanks a lot
[08:23] <din> highvoltage, xfce4 > *
[08:23] <highvoltage> elvirolo: np
[08:23] <erikt> question: do live CDs ususally don't work on laptops?
[08:23] <compubomb> how do you keep ubuntu from auto-loading X ?..
[08:23] <delire> highvoltage: second only to OSX's aqua, which hits the GPU and the system memory.
[08:23] <highvoltage> din: xfce4 = 42?
[08:23] <compubomb> i don't want a desktop manager
[08:24] <cadu> delire: but Aqua rocks
[08:24] <Lorvija> will gnome/kde run on laptop with 1000mhz processor and 256mb ram smoothly? or should i find lighter option?
[08:24] <din> 4.2.2 yes
[08:24] <highvoltage> delire: hehe!
[08:24] <delire> cadu: it's horrible
[08:24] <compubomb> i just want to be able to type startx and presto
[08:24] <elph0> Lorvija: i prefer gnome... less doc, but really intuitive
[08:24] <cadu> delire: why ?
[08:24] <delire> cadu: i have to use it at work. horrible
[08:24] <hondje> sorry luzbelito about the wait. If you want it to start at boot for all your runlevels, and stop at shutdown, run 'sudo update-rc.d <scriptname> start <priority> 2 3 4 5 . stop <priority> 0 1 6 .'  Scriptname is JUST the name in /etc/init.d, not the whole pathname IIRC, and priority is a two digit number, like 30, 50, 80, etc
[08:24] <highvoltage> Lorvija: both should run fine (not at the same time though)
[08:24] <Daemonic> daemonic@Demon:~$ /etc/init.d/alsa start
[08:24] <Daemonic>  * Setting up ALSA...
[08:24] <Daemonic> Invalid card number.
[08:24] <Daemonic> Usage: amixer <options> command
[08:24] <Daemonic> Available options:
[08:24] <compubomb> anyone ?
[08:24] <Ziggity> Help
[08:24] <Daemonic> I run that and it scrolls thourhg about ten times.
[08:24] <Ziggity> Firefix stopped working
[08:24] <Daemonic> any ideas why?
[08:24] <din> highvoltage, http://img342.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xfce49sb.jpg
[08:24] <din> :p
[08:24] <Ziggity> when I click the Icon to start it - task bar sez starting Firefox .. then nothing happens..
[08:24] <cadu> delire: OSX is beautiful AND bsd unix on its guts, it rocks
[08:25] <compubomb> Ziggity: try deleting your .mozilla file, make sure you so a find ./.mozilla/ -name "*bookmark*.html"
[08:25] <hondje> luzbelito: so if it's named /etc/init.d/adsl, 'sudo update-rc.d adsl start <priority> 2 3 4 5 . stop <priority> 0 1 6 .' would work
[08:25] <cadu> delire: i would love to have a mac if these things weren't soo expensive in brazil :(
[08:25] <delire> cadu: the finder is a useability nightmare, ~/Applications is full of a zillion duplicate files. students never know where anything is. it's god awful slow, especially for 3D and the 'metal finish' wears very very thin.
[08:25] <topyli> Ziggity: could it be something referred to in the topic here?
[08:25] <ph8> ok
[08:25] <ph8> i've redownloaded and burnt the cd
[08:25] <hondje> note that in ubuntu, the 3 4 5 part is pointless, you're usually going to be in 2
[08:25] <ph8> and verified it
[08:25] <ph8> my iso is perfect
[08:25] <elph0> cadu: caro mesmo! hahaha
[08:25] <Ziggity> topyli,  what topic?
[08:25] <ph8> and the install cocks up in the same way
[08:25] <cadu> elph0: :'(
[08:25] <delire> cadu: there, i said it!... oh also, Apple is a very nasty corporation.
[08:25] <Lorvija> okay thanks for the help guys, i'll try the gnome.. if i dont like it i'll change to kde
[08:26] <topyli> Ziggity: topic of this very channel. type /topic and see
[08:26] <erikt> not as nasty as Microsoft.
[08:26] <hondje> Steve Jobs is a nasty man, too :)
[08:26] <compubomb> DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO DISABLE DESKTOP MANAGMENT AKA NO AUTO-START x ?
[08:26] <Despeeh> blackbox rulez
[08:26] <cadu> delire: i can't possibly agree with you ;"( i love OSX ...i still have my old powermac 8500 that doesn't runs OSX (only with a xpostfacto hack) but that doesn't counts :)
[08:26] <hondje> compubomb: yes, don't let gdm run at boot
[08:26] <topyli> compubomb: hard of hearing?
[08:26] <compubomb> yes or not would suffice  ^_^
[08:26] <highvoltage> din: nice, i'm going through another eyecandy vs minimalistic phase: http://jonathancarter.co.za/photies/screenshots/24JUL05
[08:26] <elph0> Lorvija: welcome to customization world :P
[08:26] <compubomb> hmm, topyli it's hard to see your name heh..
[08:26] <Lorvija> :P
[08:26] <cadu> compubomb: just remove the /etc/rc2.d/S<xx>xdm file
[08:27] <compubomb> cadu: ugh, okay
[08:27] <Ziggity> topyli,  :: ooooo.. how do you uninstall firefox?
[08:27] <danielrr> hi
[08:27] <cadu> compubomb: it's actually a link to /etc/init.d/xdm
[08:27] <erikt> when burning ISO's, verifying required?
[08:27] <din> highvoltage, that fvwm?
[08:27] <highvoltage> Ziggity: sudo apt-get remove mozilla-firefox
[08:27] <hondje> cadu: should be gdm in a default install
[08:27] <highvoltage> din: that's gnome
[08:27] <cadu> hondje: sorry ...debian here
[08:27] <cadu> i'm _considering_ a switch
[08:27] <din> ah, transparent panels
[08:27] <hondje> :)
[08:27] <topyli> cadu: compubomb: the link will return at next upgrade. better to disable it properly
[08:27] <cadu> but i'm not a desktop user
[08:28] <hondje> I run both now, ubuntu for desk, debian for everything else
[08:28] <cadu> i would change just for the more timely updates
[08:28] <hondje> ah...if you're not a desktop user, the differences are minimal :)
[08:28] <highvoltage> din: so is this: http://jonathancarter.co.za/photies/screenshots/25MAR05
[08:28] <cadu> hondje: i'm a bit sad with debian testing
[08:28] <highvoltage> that was my gdeskletts phase
[08:28] <din> highvoltage, here's my eye candied up fvwm :) http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fvwm4pq.jpg
[08:28] <elph0> where can i see the expected features to the next ubuntu?
[08:28] <hondje> cadu: did they push the gcc4 changes into testing?
[08:28] <delire> cadu: Tiger is just a poor performer from my perspective, and apple are increasingly becoming a DRM lifestyle whitegoods company. i gladly put Ubuntu on my g5 tower - a massive speed up.
[08:28] <hondje> !breezy
[08:28] <cadu> hondje: and i'm considering a switch just because that, BUT, i'm afraid of losing all the customizability i have in debian by a bunch of scripts/wizards
[08:29] <hondje> !tell elph0 about breezy
[08:29] <danielrr> I need a biof help with a error during the second part of installing ubuntu
[08:29] <cadu> hondje: hell no, they're trying it in 'unstable' ...a whole breakage hell
[08:29] <skalpel> i just got the error cannot open xpistub library while trying to install firefox, can someone tell me why?
[08:29] <highvoltage> din: also nice.
[08:29] <delire> cadu: the other thing, OSX is incredibly inflexible, and expensive to maintain. OSX is a rental operating system, afterall - you don't actually *own* your computer.
[08:29] <din> highvoltage, nice shot :)
[08:29] <Ziggity> is there a package for Eclipse? for ubuntu?
[08:29] <cadu> delire: i confess i used Linux on the powermac too :)
[08:30] <hondje> cadu: I knew they went crazy with sid finally, but I've been tracking sarge for most things for the last couple months before it went stable, so I've missed the fun :)
[08:30] <topyli> cadu: ahh... unstable is unstable again! woo-hoo!
[08:30] <cadu> lll *grins*
[08:30] <erikt> can someone shed light why my Live CD for my Intel laptop :(
[08:30] <delire> cadu: ;)
[08:30] <cadu> hondje: sarge is very good for now, just a bit outdated as always
[08:30] <highvoltage> din: what do you use for the menu bar at the bottom?
[08:30] <cadu> hondje: unstable was very stable but then they started the abi change and bam, everything is breaking :)
[08:30] <cadu> hondje: plus x.org being added ...iirc from a backported ubuntu package
[08:30] <ryanja> hi room
[08:31] <danielrr> hi all
[08:31] <deprave__> engine - An input buffer is full
[08:31] <deprave__> interesting!
[08:31] <highvoltage> ryanja: hi
[08:31] <hondje> cadu: Sid 'was' pretty good, I was using it for the desktop until I went over here :D  Nice to see them back at work though
[08:31] <highvoltage> danielrr: howdy
[08:31] <hondje> cadu: if you got any debian migration questions, feel free to hit me up. There's a slight but non-zero chance I'll know :)
[08:31] <din> highvoltage, its an fvwmscript i made using fvwmscript and mpc/mpd the sensors on the side is xosview
[08:32] <highvoltage> kewl
[08:32] <danielrr> can any help me with an install error that halted the installation?
[08:32] <highvoltage> danielrr: only if you give us the error
[08:32] <elph0> breezy ...cool... im loving this
[08:32] <hondje> gnome 2.12 beta1 came out
[08:33] <Ziggity> whats the command to delete a folder from  terminal ??
[08:33] <highvoltage> Ziggity: rmdir
[08:33] <delire> Ziggity: rm -fr folder/
[08:33] <hondje> Ziggity: rmdir, or rm -rf <dir> if it's not empty
[08:33] <deprave__> what is breezy
[08:33] <highvoltage> deprave__: it's the development branch of ubuntu
[08:33] <deprave__> ah
[08:33] <elph0>  !tell deprave__ about breezy
[08:33] <highvoltage> the current one is hoary
[08:34] <[madman] > well... sometimest it's more stable than hoary ;)
[08:34] <elph0> its my time :P
[08:34] <delire> [madman] : really?
[08:34] <highvoltage> [madman] : i doubt that ;)
[08:34] <ryanja> ive found hoary to be very stable, I haven't had any problems
[08:34] <[madman] > only x.org is breaking sometimes due to big changes
[08:34] <cadu> hondje: i just wanna be able to do things the way i do in debian...i'm trying gentoo in a VMWare virtual box and it's very up-to-date but it isn't very concise and it's _strange_ ...specially when you're accustomed to doing things the debian way for years
[08:34] <highvoltage> [madman] : i haven't seen x working on breezy yet
[08:34] <[madman] > i've finally made the new modular xorg working yesterday ;)
[08:34] <Ziggity> thanx
[08:34] <`psycho> how to rename file?
[08:34] <hondje> cadu: yeah, I like the 'debian' way....it's way easier, especially when you finally learn it :)
[08:35] <highvoltage> `psycho: mv
[08:35] <Ziggity> is there a package for Eclipse? for ubuntu?
[08:35] <[madman] > still, some packages are missing
[08:35] <delire> `psycho mv
[08:35] <cadu> hondje: i could easily use gentoo, but i don't know the way of doing things in that 'gentoo way'
[08:35] <[madman] > `psycho:  man mv
[08:35] <highvoltage> `psycho: mv source destination
[08:35] <`psycho> rename fil fil2 gives some strict subs error
[08:35] <cadu> hondje: i couldn't handle it very well, i tried doing things manually and my changes got overriden by portage updates and things :'(
[08:35] <Ziggity> has / does anyone use ubuntu as a web Server ?
[08:35] <hondje> cadu: ubuntu is totally debian underneath the desktop
[08:35] <highvoltage> `psycho: rename is a DOS command. Google for the DOS to BASH HOWTO
[08:36] <cadu> hondje: example, for adding a thing to your runlevel you use something like rc-update add <program> default..shitty
[08:36] <highvoltage> Ziggity: I do.
[08:36] <jazzanova> so, i have debian install in utf8, using russian, and in console, all the characters are broken.
[08:36] <[madman] > Ziggity:  well my whole server is ubuntu: web, ssh, database etc.
[08:36] <`psycho> ah
[08:36] <`psycho> :))
[08:36] <cadu> hondje: i prefer the rcX.d and init.d approach....MUCH better
[08:36] <hondje> yeah, update-rc.d is what I know
[08:36] <highvoltage> hi linuxboy
[08:36] <hondje> or just making symlinks myself
[08:36] <elph0> Ziggity: try synaptic with universe and multiverse checked
[08:36] <Ziggity> OUCH! nautilis has quit unexpectedly>> why> whats it do?
[08:36] <cadu> hondje: in debian i just create a new program in init.d and link it using the [SK] nnPROGRAM link way...easy!
[08:36] <jowi> I got a question: how do i change the keyboard mapping in a terminal - like 'setxkbd se' but for when not using X?
[08:36] <ryanja> I've switched from suse to ubuntu, and with suse pushing more towards kde i didn't know how I was going to like gnome.  I actually like gnome better and haven't found a reason to go back to kde,  does anyone prefere kde over gnome.
[08:36] <[madman] > jazzanova:  well... i'm polish and have the characters broken, too ;)
[08:36] <Ziggity> highvoltage, : as production server?
[08:37] <highvoltage> Ziggity: yes.
[08:37] <[madman] > jowi:  loadkeys
[08:37] <highvoltage> Ziggity: my asterisk server also runs on ubuntu (warty though)
[08:37] <Ziggity> highvoltage, What spec is the hardware?
[08:37] <jazzanova> madman: so you can't do dpkg in console ? need to use X ?
[08:37] <TeraClon> kde has neat things
[08:37] <jowi> [madman] , ahhh, cheers
[08:37] <Zippys> Hey, I installed ubuntu and when it boots up it geos to black screen.
[08:37] <hondje> cadu: using update-rc.d is even easier, saves a lot of typing :)
[08:37] <cadu> i would use kde if i could get only the WINDOWMANAGER
[08:37] <highvoltage> Ziggity: P4, 1GB RAM, 2x 200GB hard disks (raid1)
[08:37] <Ziggity> highvoltage, asterisk??
[08:37] <ryanja> i do like k3b, its a nice burning progam, but other then that not much
[08:37] <[madman] > jowi:  you've gotta know what keymap do you need
[08:37] <topyli> Zippys: nothing? no shell prompt?
[08:37] <Zippys> no.
[08:38] <Zippys> nothing.
[08:38] <highvoltage> Ziggity: open source pbx software: asterisk.org
[08:38] <[madman] > jowi:  they're in /usr/share/keymaps, as i recall
[08:38] <cadu> ryanja: i use XFCE all the way but i use K3B for cd-burning (wife)...had to install a BUNCH of kdelibs just for k3b ;'(
[08:38] <Ziggity> highvoltage, : do you know of a guide for setting it as a webserver?
[08:38] <ryanja> ouch
[08:38] <jazzanova> and how do i set dvorak in console ?
[08:38] <hondje> Am I the only one who uses nautilus to burn cds?
[08:38] <topyli> Zippys: bad. sounds like a broken framebuffer but iirc ubuntu doesn't even use that
[08:38] <highvoltage> Ziggity: for what do you want to use it?
[08:39] <danielrr> here is the error: Setting up gstreamer0.8-flac/var/lib/dpkg/info/gstreamer0.8-flac.postinst: line 8: 15917 Segmentation fault gst-register-0.8 --gst-debug-level=0 >/dev/null & this error: (process:15918) : GLIB-GObject-WARNING **: invalid cast from 'GstXMLRegistry'to'GstXMLRegistry'
[08:39] <ryanja> have you found any issues with xfce with ubuntu
[08:39] <[madman] > jazzanova:  well... loadkeys - but don't know which keymap
[08:39] <jowi> [madman] , yeah, found them but had no idea what command to use. thanks alot
[08:39] <Ziggity> web and email server
[08:39] <GNULinuxer> Welcome scorpix
[08:39] <highvoltage> Ziggity: I suggest you just apt-get intall apache2, it runs out of the box, then you can just ask for help if you want to do something.
[08:39] <Zippys> I have Nvidia video card.
[08:39] <Zippys> That always has problems with alot of distros.
[08:39] <Ziggity> I still can't get firefox to load
[08:39] <highvoltage> Ziggity: if you just want to play with apache a bit, than I suggest you take a look at http://www.apachefriends.org
[08:40] <erikt> I still can't get the Live CD to boot,
[08:40] <erikt> freezes at %98,
[08:40] <SG1> Zippys: sounds like a dead framebuffer
[08:40] <hondje> Zippys: nvidia works just fine, their linux support is quite nice...ATI is the one to watch for
[08:40] <Zippys> topyli Zippys: bad. sounds like a broken framebuffer but iirc ubuntu doesn't even use that
[08:40] <jazzanova> madman: i need to install dvorak for good, not loadkeys
[08:40] <jowi> jazzanova, /usr/share/keymaps/i386/dvorak has some for you. use "loadkeys dvorak-classic" or what keymap you want
[08:40] <[madman] > Ziggity:  actually, the default ubuntu apache _just works_ if you only need it to play for a little
[08:40] <GNULinuxer> Howdy salil
[08:41] <SG1> hi GNULinuxer
[08:41] <jowi> jazzanova, sorry, didn't see your last statement
[08:41] <salil> can anyone please tell me which packages i need to install to see VIDEO using TOTEM player
[08:41] <Zippys> So how would I fix this broke framebuffer?
[08:41] <GNULinuxer> Hello BirdFish
[08:41] <salil> howdy GNULinuxer
[08:41] <BirdFish> Hi
[08:41] <[madman] > jazzanova:  and you can set it permanently in /etc/defaults/console or sth. like that
[08:41] <Ziggity> my firefox has died..
[08:41] <cadu> Ziggity: heheeh
[08:41] <SG1> Zippys: hold
[08:42] <BirdFish> How would I change the placement minimized applications?
[08:42] <Last_in_Line> I'm back with a brand new install, can someone pls help me install egroupware?
[08:42] <GNULinuxer> Hola! no_gatez_fan
[08:42] <jazzanova> thanks
[08:42] <BirdFish> I want them to minimize to the top taskbar rather than the bottom
[08:42] <erikt> ah, I'll burn another copy, and if that doesn't work, wouldn't hurt to try Kubuntu.
[08:42] <Ziggity> cadu, : its not funny.. :(
[08:42] <no_gatez_fan> hello
[08:42] <Ziggity> I wnat it back ...
[08:42] <salil> which packages are needed to use VIDEO in TOTEM player..??
[08:42] <jowi> Ziggity, did it crash or what happened?
[08:42] <SG1> Zippys: video=vga16:off
[08:43] <SG1> Zippys: when you get to grub...
[08:43] <SG1> Zippys: press e to edit the entry
[08:43] <skalpel> is there a terminal app which supports transparency
[08:43] <skalpel> ?
[08:43] <SG1> Zippys: then goto teh kernel line and press e again
[08:43] <Ziggity> jowi, no.. stopped working when I  had backports .. removed them.. then upgraded.. still nothing..
[08:43] <SG1> Zippys: then add video=vga16:off to the end of the line
[08:43] <Ziggity> removed firefox.. reinstalled .. still nothing..
[08:43] <SG1> Zippys: then get back to the entry and press b
[08:44] <jowi> Ziggity, do you get an error if you start firefox in a terminal?
[08:44] <delire> skalpel: aterm -tr -sh 50
[08:44] <ankur> Hi, I deleted the user account, that I used to login; now GDM wont start, could someone help??
[08:44] <Ziggity> jowi, how do I do that??
[08:44] <boodle> using hoary... in Evolution, my folder list does't update the new message count realtime... anyone have a fix?
[08:44] <Zippys> is that it?
[08:44] <Zippys> lol
[08:44] <SG1> Zippys: well thats a temporary fix...
[08:44] <skalpel> delire: bash: aterm: command not found
[08:44] <[madman] > skalpel:  xterm ?
[08:44] <delire> skalpel: apt-get install aterm && aterm -tr -sh 50
[08:45] <SG1> Zippys: once you get on ubuntu you'll need to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:45] <jowi> Ziggity, to open a terminal right-click on the desktop and choose terminal. type in "firefox" and press enter.
[08:45] <SG1> Zippys: also, try the failsafe one first...
[08:45] <Ziggity> jowi, .. no error and still no firefox
[08:45] <Zippys> there is no failsafe
[08:45] <[madman] > Ziggity:  killall firefox
[08:45] <delire> [madman] : xterm doesn't support transparency.
[08:45] <[madman] > Ziggity:  firefox
[08:45] <skalpel> delire: can you give me that again with white foreground text instead of black?
[08:45] <jowi> Ziggity, killall firefox-bin
[08:46] <delire> skalpel: aterm -tr -sh 50 -fg white -bg black
[08:46] <skalpel> delire: and is there a way to add tint to this?
[08:46] <SG1> Zippys: sorry its called "recovery mode"
[08:46] <Ziggity> jowi, trying that
[08:46] <[madman] > skalpel:  yes, there is tinting, -tint ?
[08:46] <SG1> Zippys: it will bring you up in single user though.
[08:46] <delire> skalpel: aterm -tr -sh 50 -fg white -bg black -tint blue
[08:47] <skalpel> k
[08:47] <SG1> Zippys: so try the adding to grub first.
[08:47] <Ziggity> ok!!  what the killall firefox-BIN do???
[08:47] <Zippys> ok
[08:47] <Zippys> brb
[08:47] <Zippys> maybe
[08:47] <Zippys> lol
[08:47] <SG1> Ziggity: it kills all intances of firefox
[08:47] <skalpel> delire: perfect, and i guess -font would be used to change the font?
[08:47] <jowi> Ziggity, if firefox was running - it shut it down
[08:47] <Ziggity> Woohoooo it works..
[08:47] <delire> skalpel: yes, or just -fn <name>. use xfontsel to select
[08:47] <[madman] > skalpel:  better put all of these in .Xdefaults
[08:48] <skalpel> [madman]  where is that located?
[08:48] <[madman] > skalpel:  ~/.Xdefaults
[08:48] <SG1> Ziggity: when your feeling really mean you give it a killall -9 firefox-bin .. that force kills it
[08:48] <[madman] > then you'll just need to type aterm, it will use your options
[08:48] <comforteagle> what is the firefox pkg called? I can't apt-get install firefox or firefox-bin.
[08:48] <Ziggity> jowi, I tried [madman] 's killall firefox (without bin) and it reported no processes but with bin it worked? why??
[08:49] <jowi> Ziggity, because when firefox starts the process is named "firefox-bin"
[08:49] <skalpel> [madman] : that would be preferable. what should the entry look like?
[08:49] <[madman] > Ziggity:  well... firefox is just a script
[08:49] <SG1> Ziggity: "firefox" is a wrapper script that runs firefox-bin
[08:49] <[madman] > skalpel:  mine looks like this:
[08:49] <delire> skalpel: as [madman]  suggests Xdefaults is a good place to store the settings. here's mine as a reference http://selectparks.net/julian/Xdefaults
[08:49] <[madman] > skalpel:  Aterm*foreground: grey
[08:49] <[madman] > Aterm*background: black
[08:49] <[madman] > Aterm*transparent: false
[08:49] <[madman] > Aterm*scrollBar: false
[08:49] <[madman] > Aterm*termName: xterm-color
[08:49] <[madman] > Aterm*font:*-*-fixed-medium-r-normal--*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-2
[08:49] <danielrr> here is the first install error Setting up gstreamer0.8-flac/var/lib/dpkg/info/gstreamer0.8-flac.postinst: line 8: 15917 Segmentation fault gst-register-0.8 --gst-debug-level=0 >/dev/null
[08:49] <Ziggity> SG1, whats the -9 directive do?
[08:49] <jowi> Ziggity, just like when i type "x-www-browser" it actually starts firefox-bin.
[08:49] <luzbelito> anyone recommends me another web browser instead of firefox? it dont works in a secure web page (ok with IE in windows, but i uninstalled it at all)
[08:49] <[madman] > Ziggity:  kills for good ;)
[08:50] <SG1> Ziggity: force kills it.. man kill and killall
[08:50] <SG1> [madman] : well some things will survive -9's
[08:50] <delire> skalpel: my personal reccomendation for a good font is aterm*font: -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--15-*-75-*-c-*-*-*
[08:50] <Ziggity> ok... thanx..
[08:50] <Ziggity> now for the eclipse.. anyone got it working?
[08:51] <SG1> Ziggity: as in the IDE?
[08:51] <[madman] > Ziggity:  download java from java.sun.com
[08:51] <[madman] > Ziggity:  then download eclipse from eclipse.org
[08:51] <Ziggity> SG1, yes
[08:51] <skalpel> delire: and this file should be in my home dir? i do not seem to have one. should i create one?
[08:51] <[madman] > Ziggity:  they probably aren't packaged (java because of the license)
[08:51] <Ziggity> [madman] , is there no superduper apt-get install stuff for that?
[08:51] <polli> hey! I'm currently trying to install ubuntu (hoary) on my desktop machine.. it has hanged on the "configuring apt" step any suggestions or ideas?
[08:52] <Ziggity> jowi, Thanx for the firefox help
[08:52] <SG1> Ziggity: there is .. hold
[08:52] <jowi> Ziggity, you are welcome
[08:53] <ilba7r> hi I installed arabic language support and arabic fonts. I can now login using the arabic language. I can also switch to righting from right to left in open office. My problem is even when i use arabic fonts whatever i right is still in english! is there any more setting i have to do ? And Yes i installed openoffice-ar pack
[08:53] <medrakil> bye
[08:53] <Ziggity> highvoltage, I got apache2 on localhost.. but when I do port forward on my router/modem (netgear) I get a connection refused??
[08:53] <skalpel> delire: how come aterm does not appear in my gnome-menu?
[08:54] <skalpel> delire: i would like to use aterm as my default term program, can i set that through a config file too?
[08:54] <[madman] > skalpel:  well... it doesn't have a desktop file
[08:54] <struggler> is there any way in the hoary installer to force it to use lilo instead of grub?
[08:54] <xliu> is there any way to kill all the process whose comand is "firefox"?
[08:54] <[madman] > skalpel:  you can choose the default terminal program in gnome settings
[08:54] <SG1> Ziggity: http://ubuntujava.yimports.com/home.shtml
[08:54] <[madman] > xliu:  killall -9 firefox
[08:54] <[madman] > xliu:  killall -9 firefox-bin
[08:55] <danielrr> and here is the sencond install error (process: 15918) : GLib-GObeject-WARNING ** invalid cast from 'GstXMLRegistry' to 'GstXMLRegistry'
[08:55] <ilba7r> Ziggity try disabelling your router firewal and firfox
[08:55] <skalpel> ok
[08:55] <SG1> Ziggity: I believe they have packages for both java 1.5 sdk and eclipse.
[08:55] <Ziggity> xliu,  : killall firefox-bin wirked for me
[08:55] <SG1> hondje: :)
[08:55] <Kovecses> pkill?
[08:55] <smcuser> Does anyone know if there are any problems moving from Ubuntu 5.04 ext3 to Reiser 4 file system?
[08:55] <xliu> [madman] , thanks a lot, what does -9 means
[08:55] <polli> xliu: die f*cker
[08:55] <SG1> xliu: -9 is force kill
[08:55] <SG1> polli: pretty much
[08:55] <skalpel> k i hate to make it hard but what would the command line entry for what we have so far plus my font be?
[08:55] <Zippys> Can someone look back and find the line pointed towards me that said something like video=... ?
[08:56] <delire> skalpel: i don't use gnome here sorry, you'll need to look around for setting application defaults.
[08:56] <Kovecses> smcuser, if you dont mind me asking... what is the difference between ext3 and reiser
[08:56] <Zippys> sg1 deosn't want to reply.
[08:56] <Zippys> busy?
[08:56] <skalpel> or should i use xfontsel?
[08:56] <SG1> Zippys: hold
[08:56] <jowi> Ziggity, no need to disable the netgear firewall. but if you have a software firewall (like firestarter) you can disable that temporarily.
[08:56] <Zippys> lol
[08:56] <delire> skalpel: to select fonts, yes
[08:56] <skalpel> delire: i have aterm set, i just need the command line entry with a suitable font
[08:56] <Kovecses> delire, what do you use kde?
[08:56] <skalpel> xfontsel
[08:56] <salil> does anyone know.. how to remove the KUBUNTU settings... after uninstalling kubuntu..??
[08:56] <SG1> Zippys: video=vga16:off
[08:56] <djp> is it possible to disable the import photos warning that pops up when you attach your digi camera under hoary?
[08:56] <delire> Kovecses: http://wmi.modprobe.de
[08:56] <Zippys> thanks
[08:57] <[madman] > salil:  rm -rf ~/.kde
[08:57] <delire> skalpel: the font i posted earlier?
[08:57] <[madman] > salil:  it will remove ALL your kde settings, so be careful
[08:57] <salil> thanks [madman] 
[08:57] <`psycho> gaah
[08:57] <salil> yes.. that's what i want..
[08:57] <skalpel> delire: -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--15-*-75-*-c-*-*-*
[08:57] <skalpel> that one?
[08:57] <`psycho> can somebody PLEASE help with the damn identd serv??
[08:57] <delire> skalpel yes..
[08:57] <skalpel> using -fn
[08:57] <smcuser> It's a fast File System
[08:57] <danielrr> Can any help me with the two install errors that I entered in?
[08:57] <skalpel> ok, thank you, much
[08:57] <SG1> `psycho: whats wrong?
[08:58] <`psycho> i can't start it..
[08:58] <Determinist> doesnt ubuntu have mp3 support out of the box? i've just installed hoary and cant play mp3 files using xmms or the music player
[08:58] <smcuser> It's supposed to be more secure
[08:58] <Kovecses> delire, can you apt-get this wmi
[08:58] <`psycho> i don't even see usr/sbin/identd
[08:58] <`psycho> could it mean it's not even installed?
[08:58] <SG1> `psycho: what is your end issue? what are you trying to do? run ? program
[08:58] <SG1> `psycho: it is possible.
[08:58] <jowi> Determinist, that is correct. no mp3 support out-of-the-box
[08:58] <`psycho> start a identd serv
[08:58] <`psycho> :>
[08:58] <smcuser> Lastly it's suppose to make  better use of space
[08:58] <Ziggity> jowi, no software firewall except what comes with ubuntu
[08:58] <delire> Kovecses: yes. add "deb http://wegi.net/debian unstable/" to your sources.list
[08:59] <skalpel> delire: that did not work, it is still using gnome terminal
[08:59] <delire> skalpel: not sure sorry.
[08:59] <Determinist> jowi, well , how can one still get mp3 support? no xmms-mp3 package out there, at least not in synaptic
[08:59] <`psycho> hmm how do i install it?
[08:59] <jowi> Ziggity, and how did you set up port-forwarding in your netgear?
[08:59] <[madman] > Ziggity:  ubuntu has no filtering set by default
[08:59] <Determinist> jowi, correction , not in the repos i have set up for synaptic
[08:59] <hondje> hrm, another ethereal exploit :(
[08:59] <salil> [madman] , when i installed kubuntu.. it changed the shutdown dialog that pops open.. .. can you tell me how to change it back..??
[08:59] <delire> skalpel: echo $TERM to be sure what terminal you are using
[08:59] <smcuser> For more info on Reiser check out www.namesys.com
[08:59] <tritium> !restricted
[08:59] <ubotu> I heard restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:59] <tritium> Determinist: ^^
[08:59] <SG1> `psycho: apt-get install pidentd
[08:59] <jowi> Determinist, the package you are looking for is called gstreamer0.8-mad (for gstreamer apps)
[09:00] <jowi> thanks tritium
[09:00] <[madman] > salil:  shutdown dialog? what do you mean?
[09:00] <Determinist> jowi, thank you
[09:00] <Ziggity> went to configuration and set port 80 http to my IP of the ubuntu box
[09:00] <SG1> `psycho: or gidentd
[09:00] <Determinist> tritium, thanks
[09:00] <[madman] > salil:  the login window?
[09:00] <Ziggity> jowi, went to configuration and set port 80 http to my IP of the ubuntu box
[09:00] <`psycho> hmm
[09:00] <SG1> `psycho: or one of the 10 other ones.
[09:00] <tritium> no problem
[09:00] <Kovecses> brb
[09:00] <skalpel> delire: i am using xterm
[09:00] <SG1> `psycho: apt-cache search identd
[09:00] <`psycho> what's the diff?
[09:00] <SG1> `psycho: for a good list
[09:00] <SG1> `psycho: features
[09:00] <jowi> Ziggity, what router? RP?
[09:00] <`psycho> pIDNETD or gIDENTD=
[09:00] <`psycho> ?
[09:01] <SG1> `psycho: ip4/ipv6... DES...NAT... features...
[09:01] <skalpel> delire: is there a config file i can edit to change this?
[09:01] <Ziggity> jowi, netgear dg814
[09:01] <SG1> `psycho: apt-cache search identd
[09:01] <`psycho> what's des?
[09:01] <polli> no one that can come up with ideas why my installation process has hung at "configuring apt..."? It says it is "Setting up primary installation repository..."
[09:01] <`psycho> yea yea..i found ...
[09:01] <SG1> `psycho: DES is an encryption algorithm
[09:01] <`psycho> oh
[09:01] <`psycho> i'll use gidentd
[09:01] <salil> [madman] : the login window also.. but what i meant was.. when you press the LOG OUT button in gnome.. is used to display a list of choices(logout, shutdown, standby, etc).. but now... it only displays logout..
[09:01] <`psycho> thx dood
[09:01] <danielrr> Can any one help me with my hanged install?
[09:01] <SG1> `psycho: No Problem
[09:02] <SG1> danielrr: whats wrong with it?
[09:02] <[madman] > salil:  strange... kde shouldn't be a problem here
[09:02] <SG1> danielrr: where is it hanged?
[09:02] <salil> [madman]  : can you please tell me how to fix that..??
[09:02] <jowi> Ziggity, i do not know that router. but my rp614 you need to set it up in "port forwarding"
[09:02] <danielrr> ok I will give you the two install errors
[09:02] <skalpel> delire: nm, i got it
[09:03] <SG1> Zippys: hello
[09:03] <SG1> danielrr: ok
[09:03] <struggler> Can I get the hoary installer to use lilo instead of grub?
[09:03] <Zippys> Adding video=vga16:off then booting it didn't work.
[09:03] <[madman] > salil:  well, to be honest, i've no idea what could be causing it
[09:03] <Ziggity> jowi, I will try .. thanx
[09:03] <jowi> Ziggity, because Ubuntu does not have firewall enabled from scratch (not needed)
[09:03] <MeLz> I have a Question
[09:03] <[madman] > struggler:  I tried - it wasn't a good choice
[09:03] <MeLz> I really like Ubuntu
[09:03] <SG1> Zippys: very odd..
[09:03] <Zippys> I should of added it to the kernel one right?
[09:03] <MeLz> But I want it bo boot Off my USB key
[09:03] <[madman] > struggler:  better install lilo after the instalation
[09:03] <SG1> Zippys: yeah
[09:03] <Zippys> ok
[09:03] <MeLz> Can I do That?
[09:03] <Zippys> Just making sure.
[09:03] <salil> [madman] : it happened after i installed kubuntu.. the login screen changed as well.. i tried changing it back.. but.. it does not change. !!!
[09:03] <jowi> Ziggity, make sure you press "apply" after you have set up the rule to make sure your router reloads the settings
[09:04] <SG1> Zippys: can you copy down the kernel line?
[09:04] <struggler> madman: well grub won't work (bios?) so I can't reboot in the install
[09:04] <Zippys> lol
[09:04] <SG1> Zippys: (the whole thing)
[09:04] <Zippys> ya i guess
[09:04] <danielrr> here are the errors Setting up gstreamer0.8-flac/var/lib/dpkg/info/gstreamer0.8-flac.postinst: line 8: 15917 Segmentation fault gst-register-0.8 --gst-debug-level=0 >/dev/null & this error: (process:15918) : GLIB-GObject-WARNING **: invalid cast from 'GstXMLRegistry'to'GstXMLRegistry'
[09:04] <Zippys> anything else before i restart?
[09:04] <[madman] > struggler:  hm... you can cancel grub installation
[09:04] <[madman] > struggler:  and from the menu choose lilo
[09:04] <SG1> Zippys: ok.. well try it without the quiet
[09:05] <struggler> madman: ok, thanks
[09:05] <SG1> MeLz: boot off usb...
[09:05] <Zippys> there is ro quite option on it
[09:05] <[madman] > struggler:  it didn't work in warty - I didn't try hoary
[09:05] <Zippys> i know that, i remember it for some reason.
[09:05] <jowi> MeLz, depends on your USB key and your BIOS (have not tried usb-booting myself)
[09:05] <salil> can anyone help me with installing bluetooth adapter.. !!
[09:05] <SG1> Zippys: ok
[09:05] <Zippys> delete that?
[09:05] <SG1> Zippys: yeah
[09:05] <[madman] > salil:  maybe you'd try reinstalling gnome-session?
[09:05] <Zippys> ok
[09:05] <Zippys> brb
[09:05] <[madman] > salil:  just my guess
[09:05] <Scouse> don't suppose there's a mirror for Ubuntu DVD ISO is there? I'm getting a wopping 2kbs via bit torrent :)
[09:05] <salil> [madman] : how to do that..??
[09:05] <salil> how to reinstall gnome..?
[09:05] <struggler> madman: I don't recall it giving me the option, just saying it was going to install grub and doing it
[09:05] <SG1> danielrr: segfailts are never fun
[09:06] <[madman] > salil:  not the whole gnome
[09:06] <[madman] > salil:  just gnome-session
[09:06] <SG1> danielrr: I take it this is after the reboot into the system?
[09:06] <[madman] > salil:  apt-get reinstall gnome-session ?
[09:06] <[madman] > salil:  i'll check it, in a moment
[09:06] <salil> [madman] : lemme try
[09:06] <salil> [madman] : thanks
[09:06] <dtorg21> Need help with wireless, can anyone help?
[09:06] <[madman] > salil:  there's no reinstall in apt-get :/
[09:07] <SG1> salil: --reinstall
[09:07] <SG1> salil: apt-get --reinstall install gnome-session
[09:07] <danielrr> i did the first part of the install and this after reboot for the second  part of the install
[09:07] <SG1> danielrr: is tty2 active?
[09:07] <salil> SG1: thanks
[09:07] <SG1> danielrr: ie if you go ctrl-alt-f3
[09:07] <skalpel> delire: would Bitstream Vera Sans 9 be a proper font name for aterm command line?
[09:07] <SG1> danielrr: do you get a login?
[09:08] <[madman] > skalpel:  no, it's pango font name
[09:08] <SG1> dtorg21: what card?
[09:08] <danielrr> I do not know
[09:08] <salil> okay.. it is finished..
[09:08] <[madman] > skalpel:  aterm accepts only XFD
[09:08] <dtorg21> sg1: broadcom
[09:08] <SG1> dtorg21: oh, fun... ndiswrapper...
[09:08] <salil> [madman] : do i need to reboot..?
[09:08] <[madman] > skalpel:  so you have to use xfontsel
[09:08] <dtorg21> yeah
[09:08] <SG1> dtorg21: x86/amd64/ppc?
[09:08] <salil> SG1: do i need to reboot..??
[09:08] <[madman] > salapoliisi:  no, logout should be sufficent
[09:09] <dtorg21> amd64
[09:09] <salil> [madman] : thanks
[09:09] <benba> hi hi hi
[09:09] <SG1> danielrr: can you try.. or just one machine?
[09:09] <SG1> dtorg21: hmm not sure about the status of ndiswrapper on amd64
[09:09] <simont> Dumb question, whats the tar command to extract the directory for Thunderbird
[09:10] <SG1> dtorg21: might want to go to the ndiswrapper project for help unless anyone here knows it..
[09:10] <Zippys> Want that line?
[09:10] <salil> [madman] : its still the same..
[09:10] <SG1> dtorg21: I dont.
[09:10] <SG1> Zippys: sure
[09:10] <dtorg21> SG1: sorry im running x86 though
[09:10] <salil> [madman] : nothing has changed
[09:10] <[madman] > salil:  :/
[09:10] <highvoltage> simont: 'tar -xf' extracts
[09:10] <Zippys> the quite part didn't work.
[09:10] <SG1> dtorg21: you are?
[09:10] <[madman] > salil:  so it wasn't gnome-session
[09:10] <highvoltage> simont: 'tar -xzf' extracts a gzipped file
[09:10] <dtorg21> yes
[09:10] <dtorg21> SG1: yes
[09:10] <danielrr> SGI I did not understand your last question
[09:10] <highvoltage> simont: 'tar -xjf' extracts a bzipped2 file
[09:10] <salil> [madman] : what is gnome-session exactly..??
[09:10] <[madman] > salil:  something else is causing that
[09:10] <salil> [madman] : just the current session...??
[09:11] <SG1> danielrr: try to switch to tty2..
[09:11] <Zippys> /boot/vmlinux-2.6.10-5-386 root=/dev/hdb1 ro quiet splash
[09:11] <[madman] > salil:  it's a package managing the whole sesison (what programs should be run, what to do on logout)
[09:11] <salil> ooh..
[09:11] <SG1> Zippys: alright so remove quiet and splash and add the video=
[09:11] <Zippys> ok
[09:11] <[madman] > salil:  could you check session settings ?
[09:11] <Zippys> video=vga16:off?
[09:11] <SG1> Zippys: see if it errors..
[09:11] <salil> [madman] : how do i do that..?
[09:11] <SG1> Zippys: yes
[09:11] <Zippys> ok
[09:11] <Zippys> brb
[09:12] <Kovecses> u guys here about xpde
[09:12] <[madman] > salil:  there's an option for logout confirmation
[09:12] <SG1> dtorg21: hmm
[09:12] <[madman] > salil:  maybe it's that
[09:12] <[madman] > salil:  in settings, there's Session settings
[09:12] <danielrr> Curren;ty the computer is frozen shall I reboot? Ifso,how do I get into tty2?
[09:12] <[madman] > salil:  (i have polish locale set, so can't give you exact names)
[09:12] <salil> [madman] : that's what i'm trying to tell you.. the logout confirmation box has been changed.. and.. there's no setting there..
[09:13] <SG1> dtorg21: I have no experiance with ndiswrapper... http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/
[09:13] <SG1> dtorg21: but thats what you should check out..
[09:13] <dtorg21> SG1: thanks a bunch
[09:13] <SG1> dtorg21: join #ndiswrapper
[09:13] <bmp> How long should it take for Ubuntu to get the software raid setup?
[09:13] <SG1> dtorg21: they have a channel
[09:14] <bmp> It's been using lots of CPU for a long time now.
[09:14] <danielrr> SGI Curren;ty the computer is frozen shall I reboot? Ifso,how do I get into tty2?
[09:14] <SG1> danielrr: sure
[09:14] <ilba7r> for ndiswrapper check this howto especially for broadcom card https://wiki.ubuntu.com//SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[09:14] <SG1> danielrr: ctrl-alt-f2
[09:14] <SG1> ilba7r: good job, too new to ubuntu to know that XD
[09:14] <pepp> hello I followed the instructions to install java at this site but not plugin luck with mozilla
[09:14] <pepp> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//Java
[09:15] <pepp> Could it be that the plugin links are broken?
[09:15] <ilba7r> SGI you are welcomed
[09:15] <Kovecses> pepp, yeah it doesn't you have to tweak it
[09:15] <danielrr> SGI not doing a thing after ctrl-alt-f2
[09:15] <SG1> danielrr: is it fully booted?
[09:15] <Kovecses> pepp, it puts the wrong plugin in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
[09:15] <SG1> danielrr: just wondering.. what platform?
[09:16] <SG1> Zippys: any luck?
[09:16] <danielrr> it got stuck during install andf froze after the sencond error I stated
[09:16] <pepp> Kovecses: Which ones am I supposed to put in there?
[09:16] <Zippys> One error and it seems out-of-topic.
[09:16] <SG1> Zippys: .. give it
[09:16] <Zippys> and black screen still.
[09:16] <Zippys> Cd-rom: Open Failed.
[09:16] <Zippys> lol
[09:17] <SG1> Zippys: oh.
[09:17] <SG1> Zippys: maybe it has the devices confused..
[09:17] <danielrr> SGI it got stuck during install andf froze after the sencond error I stated
[09:17] <SG1> Zippys: wait
[09:17] <Last_in_Line> What password does a fresh install of mysql set for "root"?
[09:17] <Zippys> k
[09:17] <SG1> Zippys:
[09:17] <Kovecses> pepp, do an updatedb the locate libjavaplugin_oji.so and make a symbolic link...but remove the wrong plugin first
[09:17] <Zippys> its blank.
[09:17] <SG1> Zippys: when it boots up to a black screen
[09:17] <SG1> Zippys: try ctrl-alt-f1
[09:17] <pepp> k
[09:17] <puff> Afternon.
[09:17] <puff> noon.
[09:17] <Zippys> what will that do?
[09:18] <SG1> danielrr: not sure what happened.. what platform?
[09:18] <puff> I'm about 24 hours into installing ubuntu on my thinkpad (t43p)
[09:18] <SG1> Zippys: switch you from X to tty1
[09:18] <Zippys> ok
[09:18] <SG1> Zippys: it should give you a text login
[09:18] <Zippys> ill try it
[09:18] <SG1> Zippys: X may have misdetected something
[09:18] <puff> A couple odd things;  first, every now and then it pops up evolution, for no reason I can figure.
[09:18] <Zippys> then do what?
[09:18] <puff> Like just now.
[09:18] <devios> Pan + ubuntu = crash when downloading 4 million msg headers.  WindowsXP + Xnews or Newsbin client works fine.  Wonder what the culprit is... Pan, GTK, Gnome, xorg?
[09:18] <danielrr> intelx86
[09:18] <devios> (same system)
[09:18] <SG1> Zippys: well then you know X is being funky with your monitor
[09:18] <SG1> Zippys: and then I can help you
[09:18] <SG1> Zippys: XD
[09:19] <danielrr> SGI intel x86
[09:19] <Zippys> ok
[09:19] <SG1> danielrr: ok
[09:19] <puff> The first time, I thought I'd accidentally selected it when I was launching frefox, but I haven't gotten anywhere near that menu in an hour, this time.
[09:19] <Pluton> how to fix the ubunto OO2 wizard bug? any workaround?
[09:19] <SG1> danielrr: not sure what happened..
[09:19] <SG1> danielrr: maybe try a reinstall just for the fun of it?
[09:19] <SG1> danielrr: *sarcasm*
[09:20] <Kovecses> pepp, u got all that
[09:20] <topyli> GigaClon: modesty is a virtue :)
[09:20] <puff> Second problem, I did suspend-to-disk last night, opened it up today and turned it on, the startup message said something about compatibility problems with suspend, and it gave me a clean boot.
[09:20] <GigaClon> hun
[09:20] <Hawkeye> devios: I've had pan crash on me too when fetching headers of large groups. The problem lies with Pan and a crappy multi-threading implementation. They switched to a single-threaded core in the CVS version
[09:20] <puff> I can't find that message in dmesg, would it go somewhere else?
[09:21] <SG1> puff: ugh... suspend to disk...
[09:21] <SG1> puff: it .. has issues..
[09:21] <[madman] > puff:  generally works
[09:21] <[madman] > puff:  but not all times ;)
[09:21] <SG1> [madman] : ... some machines.. its just dead
[09:21] <puff> sigh.
[09:21] <puff> Well, hm.
[09:21] <SG1> puff: acpi sleep (low power mode) is much more reliable
[09:21] <puff> I wonder if i could do it at the application level.
[09:21] <Gourami> Hi, I just ripped a dvd to .ogg with VLC however with playback there is no audio, any ideas ?
[09:22] <puff> Ah,how do i invoke that?
[09:22] <puff> ACPi sleep... that's suspend-to-ram?
[09:22] <[madman] > SG1:  one big issue is not-working DRI after resume
[09:22] <[madman] > puff:  it also gives some errors, sometimes
[09:22] <SG1> [madman] : true.. with the recent card.. forgive me.. my laptops are ancient
[09:22] <puff> Okay... sigh. Oh well.
[09:22] <Zippys> Grr...
[09:22] <Zippys> No text login/
[09:22] <SG1> puff: do you do 3d video?
[09:22] <puff> Any coments on alternative themes/window managers for ubuntu?
[09:23] <SG1> Zippys: it hates you
[09:23] <SG1> puff: yeah
[09:23] <Zippys> lol
[09:23] <SG1> puff: fluxbox/kde/anything you want :)
[09:23] <puff> SG1: not yet - I got this laptop 48 hours ago, installed ubuntu 24d hours ago.
[09:23] <nalioth> puff: they are ALL available for your trials
[09:23] <puff> Yes, well.
[09:23] <Mafi> what is the default user for mysql?
[09:23] <[madman] > puff:  xfce - whole new dekstop envrionment
[09:23] <GNULinuxer> hey xyz
[09:23] <Zippys> root
[09:23] <puff> Whcih ones are reliable and easily supported and look great?
[09:23] <Mafi> whit what user I could acces mysql by default?
[09:23] <[madman] > puff:  kde (a bit bloat;) and xfce
[09:23] <puff> mainly, I don't want to swim outside the ubuntu mainstream until I get comfortable with the distro.
[09:24] <puff> But I'd like to make the mac folks drool :-)
[09:24] <xyz> Hey.
[09:24] <Zippys> Mafi, root.
[09:24] <topyli> puff: enlightenment
[09:24] <Zippys> oh well
[09:24] <SG1> puff: kde is suppurted
[09:24] <puff> Somebody was talking about enlightenment on one of the forums;  I thought enlightenment withered on the vine.
[09:24] <[madman] > puff:  so kde has a os x look
[09:24] <puff> It's still around?
[09:24] <SG1> puff: E17 is nice
[09:24] <noah> are there any good up to date docs on defoma?
[09:24] <SG1> puff: its not dead
[09:24] <Kovecses> xfce is better looking than gnome
[09:24] <topyli> puff: of course
[09:24] <Zippys> Whys ubuntu hate me? :(
[09:24] <puff> [madman] : no no, I want something that looks *cooler* than osx :-).
[09:24] <[madman] > puff:  enligtenment is in development
[09:24] <cadu> kde has an osx look ?
[09:25] <GNULinuxer> wave sexcopter8000m
[09:25] <digitalfox> KDE can have an OS X look
[09:25] <digitalfox> you can even have the global titlebar
[09:25] <cadu> digitalfox: in what aspect?
[09:25] <digitalfox> er, menubar*
[09:25] <topyli> puff: i meant e16 though
[09:25] <digitalfox> you can also get a theme called "Baghira" that clones it
[09:25] <cadu> digitalfox: ah yeah but non-kde apps won't use it , so it's shitty :)
[09:25] <[madman] > puff:  E17 it is cool, but only snapshots...
[09:25] <digitalfox> yeh :p
[09:25] <puff> I also would like something that does some visual trick to keep people from looking over my shoulder, now that I have this nice, 15" screen.
[09:25] <digitalfox> GNOME's design is more Mac-like
[09:25] <Zippys> lol
[09:25] <din> i have xfce sorta looking like a mac
[09:25] <digitalfox> but not on the surface
[09:25] <SG1> puff: kde +transparency+other eyecancy... can beat osx
[09:26] <Zippys> i got to go to work in a hour :(
[09:26] <topyli> osx looks like crap though
[09:26] <[madman] > SG1:  e17 can beat everything, but...
[09:26] <SG1> Zippys: I have no clue whats making your screen black
[09:26] <Zippys> lol
[09:26] <SG1> [madman] : not yet..
[09:26] <[madman] > SG1:  it's still unstable
[09:26] <xyz> Meh, looks like Ubuntu won't work well with the HP L2000 laptops.
[09:26] <Zippys> Thanks for trying.
[09:26] <noah> defoma seems so pointless, it only makes fonts even harder to configure
[09:26] <SG1> [madman] : I await hardware accel...
[09:26] <SG1> [madman] : and stability..
[09:26] <din> http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xfcei8k2rz.jpg <-- xfce on my laptop
[09:26] <[madman] > SG1:  for these eye-candy animations? would be great
[09:26] <din> :p
[09:27] <SG1> [madman] : .. they had better be..
[09:27] <xyz> Freezes at X.
[09:27] <SG1> xyz: :(
[09:27] <[madman] > SG1:  i like the beautiful applets (cpu speed, temperature, WLAN...)
[09:27] <SG1> [madman] : yeah
[09:28] <cadu> it's hard to code XFCE miniapps ?
[09:28] <SG1> [madman] : Xorg+Xcomposite+Xdamage+Xrandr...
[09:28] <SG1> [madman] : and then e17...
[09:28] <SG1> [madman] : :)
[09:28] <[madman] > cadu:  it IS
[09:28] <tahorg> anyone here knows when xorg will be usable again in breezy ?
[09:28] <cadu> SG1: means = good looking ?
[09:28] <[madman] > SG1:  e17 is hard to install...
[09:28] <SG1> cadu: yep
[09:28] <SG1> cadu: and fast..
[09:28] <cadu> [madman] : even a very simple one ? just showing how many users are logged on
[09:28] <SG1> [madman] : nah.. bunch of cvs..
[09:28] <topyli> SG1: and a cluster of 3g processors with 3g of ram each to run the system
[09:28] <cadu> SG1: send me a screenshot of your nice looking system
[09:28] <SG1> topyli: no not at all.
[09:29] <[madman] > cadu:  i tried to recode the battery applet
[09:29] <cadu> [madman] : XFCE uses gtk right ?
[09:29] <[madman] > cadu:  it was a horror - just wanted to make it look better
[09:29] <SG1> cadu: I dont run e17 right now.. its not hardware accelerated yet.. :(
[09:29] <jowi> last time i tested (last week) some e17 apps were broken though
[09:29] <[madman] > cadu:  right...
[09:29] <[madman] > cadu:  gtk has an awful api, though - i prefer pygtk ;)
[09:29] <jowi> ...like eclair
[09:29] <Kovecses> who here uses something other than gnome?
[09:30] <SG1> cadu: well I dont do screenshots much.. I do have an old one showing transparency on Debian/AMD64/Xorg
[09:30] <jowi> Kovecses, i'm using windowlab
[09:30] <SG1> cadu: hold
[09:30] <Scouse> What's on the DVD ISO compared to the CD ISO?
[09:30] <cadu> [madman] : i like python , i'm learning GUI (doing first gui apps) in python...tkinter instead
[09:30] <cadu> SG1: http://foda-se.ath.cx/sendfile.cgi (http sendme file)
[09:30] <SG1> cadu: transparency crazies http://linux.sg1net.com/stuff/snapshot1.png
[09:31] <[madman] > cadu:  well, IMHO tkinter is depreceated ;)
[09:31] <xyz> Anyone have any experience with HP laptops?
[09:31] <cadu> [madman] : sure thing, but for a gui that NEVER did any gui programming it's very good for starting
[09:31] <[madman] > cadu:  i wanted to learn to create a gui
[09:31] <cadu> s/gui/guy
[09:31] <xyz> Does Ubuntu generally work well with them?
[09:31] <[madman] > cadu:  and chose pygtk
[09:31] <[madman] > cadu:  it is easy and well-documented
[09:31] <cadu> [madman] : i'm learning GUI so i'm using a simpler thing as TKinter
[09:31] <djp> is it possible to disable the import photos warning that pops up when you attach your digi camera under hoary?
[09:31] <danielrr> SG1 was my second atempt to install and like the first time it halted with the two mentioned errors
[09:31] <cadu> [madman] : http://foda-se.ath.cx/received/snake.py <-- look what i'm doing
[09:32] <SG1> danielrr: ugh..
[09:32] <SG1> danielrr: bad cdrom image maybe..
[09:32] <[madman] > cadu:  i started writing gui applications few months ago
[09:32] <SG1> ughhhhh GUI!!! *RUNS*
[09:32] <Juhaz> I'm with madman, pygtk is perhaps the nicest gui toolkit I've seen so far, and by _far_ the most "pythonic"
[09:32] <[madman] > cadu:  wanted to learn GTK in C, but it is too complicated and the documentation is horrible
[09:32] <SG1> [madman] : glade.
[09:32] <danielrr> ok i got a few pressed copies so i will try another pressed copy
[09:33] <SG1> [madman] : glade glade glade
[09:33] <black13> whey i try to run X -configure i get "Missing output drivers.  Configuration failed."
[09:33] <black13> what does this mean
[09:33] <[madman] > SG1:  yes... i could use glade
[09:33] <SG1> [madman] : :-P
[09:33] <nalioth> black13: what are you trying to configure?
[09:33] <[madman] > SG1:  but wanted to learn real pygtk programming
[09:33] <Juhaz> bah, glade is deprecated. gazpacho!
[09:33] <danielrr> SG1 got a few pressed copies so i will try another pressed copy
[09:34] <cadu> [madman] : that's what scared me, tried learning gtk in c and ran away
[09:34] <SG1> [madman] : but see glade saved me...(I dont do gui)
[09:34] <SG1> danielrr: ok
[09:34] <cadu> [madman] : saw the code?
[09:34] <black13> nalioth Xorg
[09:34] <nalioth> black13: run in a terminal "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[09:34] <[madman] > cadu:  not yet, moment - i won't be able to run it, but can read ;)
[09:35] <cadu> [madman] : okz :-) no python at the moment? :)
[09:35] <[madman] > no tkinter
[09:35] <cadu> [madman] : i thought it comes with default python install
[09:35] <phixion> bah, anyone had luck installing partypoker? ;/
[09:35] <cadu> [madman] : at least on windows...a friend of mine is using snake.py
[09:35] <[madman] > cadu:  maybe i have tk... scribus depended on it
[09:35] <phixion> getting errors from wine when trying to install it
[09:36] <absenth> this might be a longshot, but is anyone here famailer with mindterm from appgate?
[09:36] <cadu> [madman] : read it ?
[09:36] <SG1> absenth: hear of it... I think I mess with it once..
[09:36] <[madman] > cadu:  I looked at the code, for me this tk thing is inconsistent
[09:36] <Kovecses> are wine and cedega the same thing?
[09:36] <SG1> absenth: java ssh?
[09:37] <absenth> sg1: that's correct
[09:37] <[madman] > cadu:  wait... i have a fairly simple pygtk example
[09:37] <cadu> [madman] : why? ;"(
[09:37] <SG1> absenth: whats wrong?
[09:37] <Belutz> Seveas: could you help me with this? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/804
[09:37] <cadu> [madman] : my code is inconsistent? :'(
[09:37] <absenth> sg1: I don't suppose you might know how to make the ssh client proxy through the www server it's running on
[09:37] <[madman] > cadu:  no, the toolkit
[09:37] <cadu> [madman] : oh , sure it is
[09:37] <SG1> absenth: you mean instead of using the client
[09:37] <highvoltage> tiil should learn to use screen.
[09:37] <cadu> [madman] : about my code? *sweats*
[09:38] <[madman] > cadu:  in pygtk, functions setting something have _set(...)
[09:38] <SG1> absenth: due to the fact that java has security stuff...
[09:38] <absenth> sg1: by default you pull up a site with the applet installed, and the applet runs on your local pc.
[09:38] <cadu> [madman] : i'm using a LOAD of hacks to have the main function run appropriately
[09:38] <[madman] > cadu:  i'm not a python expert
[09:38] <black13> nalioth thanks man that thing is pretty awesome
[09:38] <[madman] > cadu:  but looks good
[09:38] <SG1> absenth: not offhand.. thats more a question for the java folks.
[09:38] <danielrr> SG1 thank you for trying to help. If I need further help can I ask you?
[09:38] <SG1> absenth: that'd be pretty cool
[09:38] <SG1> danielrr: yeah
[09:38] <absenth> sg1: I figured.
[09:39] <[madman] > cadu:  and it actually work ;)
[09:39] <absenth> sg1: what I want it to do is run serverside so I can ssh to something behind the firewall.
[09:39] <SG1> absenth: you could have a client server thing going on
[09:39] <cadu> [madman] : me neither, started learning python 1 month ago, and learning Tk as i do snake.py
[09:39] <danielrr> thanks SG1
[09:39] <SG1> absenth: ah
[09:39] <cadu> [madman] : yeah, and i've implemented a tad of locks ...try to hit L D R quickly so you can actually enter into yourself
[09:39] <absenth> alright, now to find a competent java channel :)
[09:39] <cadu> [madman] : control the snake with w-s-a-d
[09:40] <[madman] > cadu:  do you have pygtk installed?
[09:40] <SG1> absenth: Im interested now, could you join #sg1net and explain what your after.
[09:40] <cadu> [madman] : no but i can install it in a tiny bit
[09:40] <[madman] > cadu:  http://ft.atr.bydgoszcz.pl/~madman/python/slog.py
[09:40] <[madman] > cadu:  it's a simple gui to add posts to my simple blog system ;)
[09:40] <[madman] > cadu:  the buttons are in polisg
[09:41] <[madman] > cadu:  but you'll see the concept of coding in pygtk when you look at the code
[09:41] <cadu> [madman] : should i get python-gtk or python-gtk2 ?
[09:41] <[madman] > cadu:  gtk2
[09:41] <cadu> just a second
[09:42] <danielrr> SG1 can you help me abit with partitioning?
[09:42] <cadu> [madman] : can you please post the .py link again? tia
[09:42] <[madman] > cadu:  http://ft.atr.bydgoszcz.pl/~madman/python/slog.py
[09:42] <cadu> [madman] : the snake.py worked as expected? were you able to move ?
[09:43] <lican_> hello
[09:43] <[madman] > cadu:  yes, it worked
[09:43] <cadu> [madman] : nice :)
[09:43] <[madman] > cadu:  only printed lots of data (tables) to the console
[09:43] <cadu> [madman] : while i'm doing i like to see things working
[09:43] <cadu> [madman] : those are the main snake array data
[09:44] <SG1> danielrr: sure
[09:44] <alexmic> hi all
[09:45] <cadu> [madman] : the TK canvas object creates OBJECTS ...so i thought it would be idiot to be destroying objects at the tail and creating new objs at the head of the snake...as you can see in the main loop it creates the new position by shifting everyone 1 position BUT saving the tail <objid> and using it at the head...so i just move the tail to new-head constantly
[09:45] <[madman] > hm...
[09:45] <cadu> [madman] : i would like a canvas object like Delphi's ...a graphical thing i can draw
[09:45] <jp> wow xchat-gnome really rox!
[09:45] <[madman] > cadu:  do you want to write games?
[09:45] <cadu> [madman] : not at all...this is just a program i'm doing to _learn_ :)
[09:45] <[madman] > cadu:  pygtk has a gtkcanvas object
[09:46] <cadu> [madman] : i like this snake game :) and it's cool to implement , the concept
[09:46] <alexmic> I am trying to setup a wacom tablet (unsupported though) so i had to patch some source files and reconfigure and compile those files...
[09:46] <[madman] > cadu:  there's a PyGame package whiche has functions useful for game programming
[09:46] <danielrr> I have partioned linux setups before butit was all graphical ie SUSE and Fedora Core 4
[09:46] <danielrr> SG1I have partioned linux setups before butit was all graphical ie SUSE and Fedora Core 4
[09:46] <jowi> danielrr, you can use gparted
[09:47] <alexmic> The problem is that at compilation i get an error about Xorg-SDK. (first time I hear about it). I don't find any package on it nor doc on google and the file xf86Version.h is missing... what should i do??
[09:47] <[madman] > cadu:  there are still areas i'd like to write something, but i'm not capable yet
[09:47] <ilba7r> is there an onscreen keyboard in ubuntu like windows?
[09:47] <[madman] > cadu:  as tray desklets, or panel applets
[09:47] <alexmic> -compilation +config
[09:47] <[madman] > ilba7r:  yes, there is - in gnome...
[09:48] <ilba7r> what is the name of the application madman
[09:48] <ilba7r> i use gnome
[09:48] <[madman] > ilba7r:  don't remember the name of the program :/
[09:48] <ilba7r> thanx madman
[09:48] <ilba7r> i will try to look it up
[09:48] <[madman] > ilba7r:  it isn't probably installed by default
[09:48] <danielrr> but jowi If I use the guided partation it dose not give /home partition
[09:48] <[madman] > ilba7r:  maybe gnomefiles has it listed
[09:49] <topyli> ilba7r: the package is probably called gok
[09:49] <moparfan90> hello everyone
[09:49] <ilba7r> thanx topyli
[09:49] <raven3x7> hi
[09:49] <ilba7r> got it
[09:49] <jowi> danielrr, you mean during installation of Ubuntu?
[09:49] <raven3x7> does anyone know if nvidia 6111 should work with xorg?
[09:49] <danielrr> yep
[09:50] <moparfan90> any use windows vista yet?
[09:50] <danielrr> yes jowi
[09:50] <jowi> danielrr, i have actually never used the guide for that.
[09:50] <ilba7r> thanx guys as always you are always helpfull and this is a great community
[09:50] <alexmic> Does anyone knows the common path to xorg sdk and/or the package i should install?
[09:50] <topyli> alexmic: sdk?
[09:51] <alexmic> yes. THe config script looks for a xf86Version.h
[09:51] <[madman] > alexmic:  you meant -dev mackages? there were some changes in breezy
[09:52] <[madman] > alexmic:  there are many dev packages
[09:52] <topyli> alexmic: ah. the development libs. do "apt-get search xorg |grep dev" or something
[09:52] <[madman] > alexmic:  or use synaptic
[09:52] <[madman] > alexmic:  i think it's more convinient ;)
[09:52] <topyli> slow :)
[09:52] <raven3x7> topyli alexmic apt-cache serach
[09:52] <raven3x7> topyli alexmic apt-cache search
[09:53] <moparfan90> i thinkif ubuntu tried to sell an upper model of the OS then they would make alot of money
[09:53] <alexmic> yes but on synaptic I don't get much things
[09:53] <enoch_> Folks, you are going to think I'm an idiot: Sometime today a number of packages uninstalled themselfves, including xbase-clients (w/ startx). Some of the packages are obviously interrelated, but others are not. I didn't do anything with synaptic.... the packages just diappeared. I needed to do an apt-get install xbase-clients to get here. Many of the uninstalled packages were packages I installed after initial installation. Please, this is creepy. Help me.
[09:53] <[madman] > alexmic:  yes, you're right - but it has a nice gui for browsing available packages
[09:53] <[madman] > ;)
[09:53] <danielrr> i want toi use manual jowi but (cannot rember my partion sizes I used for fedora) of how much space i should use for /, /home, and swap I have a 80 gig HDD
[09:53] <alexmic> root@alexmic:/usr/src/modules/wacom # apt-cache search xorg |grep dev
[09:53] <alexmic> pm-dev - proxy management protocol development files
[09:53] <alexmic> xorg-driver-fglrx-dev - Video driver for ATI graphics accelerators (devel files)
[09:53] <[madman] > alexmic:  the main development package is x-dev
[09:54] <topyli> raven3x7: righ
[09:54] <topyli> t
[09:54] <tucoz> hi, I just installed kde with apt-get install kde-core. The question is, how do I switch to kde?
[09:54] <cadu> [madman] : nice
[09:54] <cadu> [madman] : i'm looking at the code
[09:54] <alexmic> [madman] : xdev is already installed and updated
[09:54] <raven3x7> topyli actually i wonder why they made to coomands out of apt
[09:54] <moparfan90> danielrr, i would say if you have two OS's then make that 30 gigs
[09:55] <danielrr> ijust have one os
[09:55] <moparfan90> there are other parts of ubntu that are in different partitions so 30 is alot
[09:55] <cadu> [madman] : seems rather nice and easy
[09:55] <frank> tucoz: when you login, change the session
[09:55] <[madman] > alexmic:  what was the name of the file again?
[09:55] <alexmic> xf86Version.h
[09:55] <Random_Sindrom> h  jghv
[09:55] <topyli> enoch_: install ubuntu-desktop and you'll at least have a working system
[09:55] <cadu> [madman] : i've installed the -doc package too
[09:55] <cadu> [madman] : i'll try it :)
[09:55] <Random_Sindrom> grytrryy5r
[09:55] <jowi> danielrr, my set up is 3gb for /. i have all installed that i need and stilll have 1,5gb left. i use 6gb /home. then i made a 20gb /media/data fat32 that i use cross platform
[09:55] <[madman] > cadu:  seems... still can't get to code treeview ;)
[09:55] <alexmic> launching a full scan on my disk
[09:55] <danielrr> moparfan90 I will be justing using ubuntu
[09:56] <moparfan90> danielrr, oo if you just have one then make it around 5 gigs less thn your full drive.
[09:56] <Random_Sindrom> tut65r6yghg
[09:56] <Random_Sindrom> ookkl
[09:56] <Random_Sindrom> h+}+uj
[09:56] <Random_Sindrom> io
[09:56] <Random_Sindrom> i}
[09:56] <SG1> Random_Sindrom: ...
[09:56] <redguy> ?
[09:56] <MartenH> Does Gnome have a "tagline", like Ubuntu has "linux for human beings"
[09:56] <tucoz> frank: ok, I am used to doing that. But I have started with startx and when I choose logout I come back to terminal
[09:56] <[madman] > alexmic:  seems this file doesn't exist any more
[09:57] <[madman] > alexmic:  i don't have it installed
[09:57] <topyli> MartenH: not really. people come up with suggestions once in a while
[09:57] <tucoz> frank: this is my first boot. Had some trouble getting xorg to work
[09:57] <jowi> danielrr, i have 512mb ram so i choose around half that for swap
[09:57] <MartenH> topyli: ok, thanks
[09:57] <enoch_> topyli, I actually have a working system... but is there any reason why a number of packages would uninstall themselves?
[09:57] <cadu>  [madman]  at least the code seems way cleaner :)
[09:57] <frank> tucoz: try starting gdm or kdm instead of startx
[09:57] <topyli> MartenH: if you have a nice one in mind, suggest it on the marketing-list
[09:57] <alexmic> [madman] : argh! though the driver files where released on november 2005..
[09:58] <tucoz> frank: thanks. I'll try that
[09:58] <tucoz> see you later
[09:58] <[madman] > cadu:  well... i thought the same before I started to learn pygtk;)
[09:58] <moparfan90> did anyone here use windows VISTA yet???
[09:58] <MrGardenHoseMan> what codecs/plugins do i need to play windows media files?
[09:58] <MartenH> topyli: Wokring on a background, wanted to add something like that to it... no suggestions though, you have any for me? :)
[09:58] <[madman] > moparfan90:  i've seen the blue screen screenshot ;)
[09:58] <frank> MrGardenHoseMan: w32codecs
[09:58] <cadu> [madman] : eheheh , i'll try it , really :-)
[09:59] <jowi> moparfan90, win98-se still rocks!
[09:59] <[madman] > moparfan90:  so it doesn't have the red one implemented yer ;)
[09:59] <MrGardenHoseMan> thanks
[09:59] <cadu> moparfan90: ahahha
[09:59] <topyli> MartenH: "The Default" ;)
[09:59] <cadu> [madman] : where?
[09:59] <MartenH> topyli: lol
[09:59] <[madman] > cadu:  the screenshot? somwhere on the imageshack, lost the url
[09:59] <moparfan90> well beta 1 just came out. if your a subsciber to microsft then you can get it
[09:59] <moparfan90> its very good... i heard
[10:00] <moparfan90> looks nice also
[10:00] <tommorris> Hey all
[10:00] <topyli> moparfan90: i heard that 5 years ago :)
[10:00] <[madman] > moparfan90:  text console looks good too;)
[10:00] <jowi> hi tommorris
[10:00] <Firetech> Is therte any difference in the ubuntu kernel patches that sets /sys/block/[device] /removable to 1 for External USB disk (I'm running a vanilla kernel). If not, can iI do anything to change that value. Pmount refuses to mount my new external drive because that value  is 0... :(
[10:00] <tommorris> Another mandatory 'can you please seed kubuntu-5.04-dvd-powerpc.iso.torrent', I'm afraid.
[10:00] <ubuntu> anyone download windows xp pro 64 beta ... and have a cd key ...
[10:00] <moparfan90> yeah. but they made alot of changes to it. so now it is coming out in 2006 and will rock!!
[10:01] <alexmic> ok apparently this is a bug in the program... I found a site saying i should dowload xorg sources....
[10:01] <[madman] > moparfan90:  i prefer rock on an audio cd ;)
[10:01] <jowi> moparfan90, depends on what song comes as default for media-player
[10:01] <topyli> moparfan90: good for them. i heard they might have some of the cool stuff gnome has now :)
[10:01] <danielrr> wpould the root partitoipn be primary or kogical?
[10:01] <tommorris> Just come back from the talk by Benjamin Mako HIll on Ubuntu and forking. Just thought I'd tell you how cool you guys are.
[10:01] <jowi> moparfan90, if it is david byrne.... ehhh... welll.....
[10:02] <jowi> danielrr, i would recommend primary
[10:02] <danielrr> ok thanks
[10:02] <moparfan90> ok people it will be very good.... not rock  ;)
[10:02] <ubuntu> how to recover a boot sector on a hdd
[10:02] <[madman] > jowi:  the default song should be 'die another day' ;)
[10:02] <Riddell> tommorris: please keep poking me (and I'll keep poking the sysadmins)
[10:02] <jowi> danielrr, your HDD can have only 4 primary partitions. if you make an extended partition that would have logical partitions inside it
[10:02] <tommorris> thanks Riddell
[10:03] <danielrr> bootable flag on or off?
[10:03] <topyli> ubuntu: boot from live cd ; chroot to your linux root ; run grub-install
[10:03] <JadeRobbins> =/
[10:03] <topyli> ubuntu: in short :)
[10:03] <[madman] > ubuntu:  boot sector only, or partition table too ?
[10:03] <moparfan90> on. if you want to boot from that partition
[10:03] <jowi> [madman] , i like that song. how about "highway to hell"?
[10:03] <danielrr> ok thanks
[10:03] <danielrr> '
[10:04] <ubuntu> cant get the segate drive software to access the drive, and the data was intact ...
[10:04] <jowi> danielrr, your first primaty partition should have the boot flag
[10:04] <JadeRobbins> hey if i came in here later could you fellas help me diagnose why my laptop doesn't like ubuntu? :(
[10:04] <[madman] > jowi:  well... and the animated boot screen should have floating lava on it, forming a VISTA string
[10:04] <Random_Sindrom> some icon themes i've downloaded came with different sizes...Can I remove those I don't use (12x12 etc.
[10:04] <jowi> [madman] , with sound-effects!!!!!
[10:04] <hollowhead> hi
[10:05] <PurpleWurld> I just can't get this dwl-g122 wireless usb dongle to work.  even with ndiswrapper!
[10:05] <PurpleWurld> any help?
[10:05] <hollowhead> anybody knows how can I get Muine working on an x86_64 machine?
[10:05] <PurpleWurld> keeps saying invalid driver, but I'm using the one form the disk
[10:05] <jowi> PurpleWurld, d-link master talking. but unfortunatley never tried one in linux :-(
[10:05] <[madman] > PurpleWurld:  doesn't it have a native driver?
[10:06] <ukh> PurpleWurld: is it revision A or B?  different chipsets, IIRC
[10:06] <PurpleWurld> a2
[10:06] <ukh> PurpleWurld: I think that should be a native prism2 chipset then
[10:06] <tucoz> frank: thanks for the help. I am now happy with my ubuntu. :)
[10:06] <tucoz> or rather kubuntu
[10:06] <PurpleWurld> yeah, prisma02.inf, but it says invalid driver
[10:07] <ukh> PurpleWurld: there *should* be a native driver
[10:07] <PurpleWurld> What do you mean by *should* be a native driver?
[10:07] <frank> tucoz: good :-)
[10:07] <cadu> is this #windows?
[10:07] <dtorg29_> #ndiswrapper
[10:07] <[madman] > PurpleWurld:  native means no windozee files ;)
[10:08] <[madman] > PurpleWurld:  try here: http://prism54.org/
[10:08] <JadeRobbins> When i installed ubuntu on my laptop everything went find, but when i am in gnome and i try to do anything it freezes up and does some funky stuff on the monitor and i have to hard reboot
[10:08] <PurpleWurld> ohhh..  well maybe I'm not that great a researcher, but it didn't work out of box, and others have got it to work under ndiswrapper, but not me :(
[10:09] <JadeRobbins> it can even sit there in gnome forever and not have trouble but the second i try to do some things it crashes and i don't even know where to begin diagnosing
[10:09] <cadu> JadeRobbins: have you tried other window manager?
[10:09] <JadeRobbins> yes
[10:09] <hollowhead> ok, I'll narrow my question: does anybody know how to get Mono running on ubuntu (x86_64)?
[10:09] <JadeRobbins> when i go into KDE it doesn't even let me sit there, it crashes even if i don't do anything
[10:10] <frank> JadeRobbins: hard freeze?
[10:10] <JadeRobbins> yeah
[10:10] <[madman] > JadeRobbins:  i'd say video driver problem
[10:10] <JadeRobbins> . . . yeah that is what i was possibly thinking
[10:10] <frank> JadeRobbins: you have a Athlon64 CPU?
[10:10] <JadeRobbins> no no no it's an older laptop
[10:10] <[madman] > JadeRobbins:  did you try disabling hardware acceleration?
[10:10] <JadeRobbins> with a Savage S3 Video card
[10:10] <JadeRobbins> no i can't even get into like device manager so i don't really know how to do that in the console
[10:11] <[madman] > JadeRobbins:  you'd have to log in on a text console
[10:11] <[madman] > and sudo <some editor> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:11] <JadeRobbins> yup
[10:11] <PurpleWurld> has anybody here played w/ ndiswrapper?
[10:11] <[madman] > JadeRobbins:  and comment Load "dri" and Load "glx" entries
[10:12] <[madman] > JadeRobbins:  maybe this will change something
[10:12] <JadeRobbins> okay, i'll give that a shot! sorry i don't really have it here :x
[10:12] <[madman] > ;)
[10:12] <JadeRobbins> i was just researching and figured this would be a great place to get friendly help, turns out i was right!
[10:12] <maney> so has anyone else noticed that the 1.0.6 upgrade has hosed printing in Firefox?  test page works in admin, Mozills broswer works fine, just as old, usable 1.0.4 used to...
[10:12] <danielrr> for the swap partiyon is it primaryorlogical
[10:12] <nalioth> JadeRobbins: if that dont work, i got a sure fix
[10:12] <JadeRobbins> okwe well i'll do that when i get home tonight
[10:13] <ukh> PurpleWurld: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-4041.html    (You really should be able to do it without the horrors of ndiswrapper)
[10:13] <saku_0> hi everybody
[10:13] <PurpleWurld> thx ukh.  I'll give it a shit :)
[10:13] <JadeRobbins> hello ;)
[10:14] <danielrr> to create a swap partition should I make it primary or logical?
[10:14] <Blissex> danielrr: either.
[10:14] <saku_0> could you help me ?
[10:14] <JadeRobbins> wow i'm so excited to get home and try it
[10:14] <anael> asdf
[10:14] <anael> sadf
[10:15] <nalioth> saku_0: ask your question
[10:15] <highvoltage> South African Defence Force?
[10:15] <saku_0> i have an problem with kubuntu to setting  the network in wifi
[10:16] <saku_0> well , my system detect my card wireless
[10:16] <Coder`TuX> any time i use some tool under system>administration i get some error "Child terminated with 1 status". what could be the cause?
[10:17] <saku_0> and i want to setting this wireless in KDE control Module
[10:17] <hugos> priviledge problem :P
[10:17] <PurpleWurld> has anyone here set up freevo on ubuntu?
[10:17] <saku_0> and i can't setting
[10:17] <saku_0> it's my pb
[10:17] <benba> hi my friends, i just wanted to tell everybody that ubuntu rocks ! ! !
[10:17] <JadeRobbins> that it does!
[10:17] <Coder`TuX> hugos, can yopu help me solve it?
[10:17] <[madman] > ben_d:  and it also jazz'z ;)
[10:17] <JadeRobbins> i actually love ubuntu
[10:18] <PurpleWurld> I agree.  I didn't even want to screw around w/linux until ubuntu
[10:18] <hugos> Coder`TuX, dont have the knowledge for that
[10:18] <JadeRobbins> and the whole open source movement, i've been using open source stuff in windows and loved, but i didn't know the joy of pure open source love via linux!
[10:18] <skratch> hello, i've been having some problems with mysql on ubuntu
[10:18] <saku_0> have you got an idea to resolve my pb ?
[10:18] <saku_0> ty
[10:19] <[madman] > JadeRobbins:  well... i've been using linux for about 7-8 years for now... fallen in love from the start ;)
[10:19] <eventualbuddha> i get an error when running this script: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/805
[10:19] <eventualbuddha> ./run: line 2: 1/usr/sbin/lighttpd: ambiguous redirect
[10:19] <eventualbuddha> any idea why?
[10:19] <[madman] > ;)
[10:19] <JadeRobbins> yeah i never realized how nice it could be, i started with all GUI on ubuntu and have slowly become a console lover as well
[10:20] <eventualbuddha> trying to follow directions at http://bougyman.com/miscfiles/RailsonDebian.html
[10:20] <JadeRobbins> thinks like virtual terminals and stuff are so freaking cool
[10:20] <JadeRobbins> things*
[10:20] <[madman] > JadeRobbins:  especially remote ones
[10:20] <danielrr> thanks for everyones help.Have a nice reest
[10:20] <danielrr> have a nice evening
[10:21] <[madman] > JadeRobbins:  remote glibc/ssh upgrades always bring some more adrenaline ;)
[10:21] <JadeRobbins> yeah
[10:21] <quitte> can someopne please tell me in which package /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.la is?
[10:21] <JadeRobbins> like i set up my ubuntu file server at home to do concurrent VNC sessions
[10:21] <JadeRobbins> i was so proud
[10:22] <socomm> quitte: Should be xorg's core libraries.
[10:22] <[madman] > quitte:  development packages of these libraries
[10:22] <quitte> socom can you tell me the exact package please? dpkg -S should tell
[10:22] <Coder`TuX> any time i use some tool under system>administration i get some error "Child terminated with 1 status". what could be the cause, and how can i solve it?
[10:22] <[madman] > but they don't exist in the breezy's xorg
[10:22] <[madman] > quitte:  just tried dpkg -S
[10:23] <zerboxx> I have a printer problem, when I look at the printers properites it's looking for the printer, not where it is, and I have no clue how to switch this, or where the current printer is, anyhelp??
[10:23] <[madman] > quitte:  well... tey're now in /usr/lib ;)
[10:23] <quitte> [madman] : let me guess, you dont have the file?
[10:23] <quitte> [madman] : oh. which package?
[10:23] <[madman] > quitte:  there is _no_ .la file
[10:23] <LokeDK> How can I backup my Mozilla Thunderbird mails?
[10:23] <[madman] > quitte:  i have the library of course...
[10:24] <quitte> hmm. same here. but some stupid package wants it
[10:24] <hollywoodb> how do I properly disable startup/shutdown scripts so that I don't get "permission denied" errors from using chmod -x ?
[10:24] <socomm> quitte: libx11-6
[10:25] <quitte> socomm: the file actually exists in that package?
[10:25] <socomm> quitte: You can make link to your libx11 file.
[10:25] <socomm> The package is called libx11-6
[10:25] <[madman] > quitte:  this file existed in hoary... disappeared in breezy ;)
[10:26] <socomm> quitte: Perhaps a link to libX11.a?
[10:26] <[madman] > socomm:  .a is a static library
[10:26] <[madman] > socomm:  .la is a description (text) file
[10:26] <quitte> [madman] ,socomm thanks a lot. well, damn.
[10:26] <quitte> socomm: can you dcc me that file?
[10:26] <[madman] > quitte:  xorg uses pkgconfig for now (breezy)
[10:27] <socomm> quitte: It should be installed on your system if you install libx11-6
[10:27] <[madman] > quitte:  there are .pc files, .la aren't used...
[10:27] <quitte> [madman] : yes, i know. iirc it was imake that wanted that file
[10:27] <[madman] > breezy is somewhat broken for now
[10:28] <[madman] > quitte:  i guess you need to fetch this file from hoary packages
[10:28] <quitte> socomm: this is a sh3 system and i used xorg from breezy to compile it myself. so i hope that if i got that file from anywhere it'd work
[10:28] <godzirra_> hey guys, when I run grub-install /dev/hda, I get "Could not get device for /boot:  device not found or could not be read"
[10:28] <fgr> does a hoary netinstall cd exist?
[10:29] <renatohe> heloo
[10:29] <jowi> godzirra_, it should be /dev/hda1 or hda2 or hda3
[10:29] <stnick_> i need to use the ymessenger package avail. from yahoo.com, however warty won't install it without --force-depends because it shows a depend on libssl0.9.6 and warty only offers 0.9.7 as installable.... the --force-depends option worked fine, except that now the system does not want to apt-get update unless i uninstall the ymessenger package... ideas anyone on how to workaround this?
[10:29] <[madman] > fgr:  not for now...
[10:29] <[madman] > fgr:  there probably won't be one
[10:29] <fgr> maddler, work in prog?
[10:29] <godzirra_> oOh.
[10:29] <Beanwaur> neowin.net
[10:29] <godzirra_> brb.
[10:29] <fgr> ok
[10:29] <JadeRobbins> i don't know of there is a netinstall cd, but the forum thread with the netinstall floppies worked AWESOME for me
[10:30] <godzirra_> jowi: that doesnt work either.
[10:30] <jowi> godzirra_, as sudo?
[10:30] <godzirra_> the error is "Could not get device for /boot:  not found or not a block device"
[10:30] <godzirra_> Yes.
[10:30] <godzirra_> and I'm almost 99% positive that I did it using grub-install /dev/hda
[10:30] <jowi> godzirra_, hang on
[10:30] <JadeRobbins> fgr: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29555&highlight=netinstall+floppy
[10:30] <godzirra_> k
[10:30] <fgr> JadeRobbins, thx
[10:31] <JadeRobbins> no problem
[10:31] <JadeRobbins> you might try putting those floppies onto a cd or something like that
[10:31] <JadeRobbins> that would be pretty sweet
[10:31] <[madman] > JadeRobbins:  if it's one floppy - no problem
[10:31] <JadeRobbins> oh
[10:31] <JadeRobbins> well it's not :D
[10:32] <[madman] > :/
[10:32] <jowi> godzirra_, ah of course. grub uses a different syntax. hda1 is (hd0,0)
[10:32] <quitte> can someone please dcc me the libX11.la file?
[10:32] <[madman] > JadeRobbins:  thought about maing bootable usb disk for quick windoze-computer converting ;)
[10:32] <JadeRobbins> oh snap
[10:32] <JadeRobbins> that would be cool
[10:32] <nevin> why not just a live cd?
[10:32] <godzirra_> So I do grub-install (hd0,0)
[10:33] <godzirra_> ?
[10:33] <[madman] > nevin:  livecd exists - but can't install from it
[10:33] <occy> I did apt-get install gnome-mag  but can't see where it installed anything.   gmag or gnome-mag  doesn't produce anything.  How can I see the name of the app it installled?
[10:33] <nevin> log in and out
[10:34] <nevin> gnome sometimes takes some prodding to update menus
[10:34] <JadeRobbins> or CTRL+ALT+Backspace
[10:34] <nevin> rougher, but yeah
[10:34] <stnick_> anyone know why out of the box, firefox seems to fail on downloads?
[10:34] <[madman] > btw. do you know a patch for gnome-session to make it remember a broken session?
[10:34] <JadeRobbins> i like it because it makes me feel special
[10:35] <godzirra_> jowi: ?
[10:35] <[madman] > (to have acpi power button shutdown gnome normally)
[10:35] <nevin> madman: remembering broken sessions would be BAD, I tried that with RH in the day
[10:35] <jowi> godzirra_, sorry, was away for a few seconds. yes, try it
[10:36] <[madman] > nevin:  i mean session should be saved every 30 seconds for example
[10:36] <nevin> hmm.. interesting
[10:36] <fgr> umm, anyone knows why i can't see + (plus) sign on my xchat ( it IS set to utf-8, like my ubuntu hoary)
[10:36] <occy> is there an apt command I can see what binaries installing something will give you?
[10:36] <scott> [OT]  anyone know if gmail, hotmail or yahoo mark messages sent to a large number of their accounts as spam even if just the content doesn't warrant being marked as spam if sent to one account? I have to send emails out to about a thousand new students and I'm wondering if I need to spread them out over a few days to avoid getting marked as spam or if it doesn't matter. any ideas?
[10:36] <occy> like... apt-get mozilla-firefox   will give you   firefox  as the command you type to launch it.
[10:37] <occy> err apt-get install mozilla-firefox rather.
[10:37] <nevin> madman: bash script to copy ~/.gnome2/session to a backup
[10:37] <jowi> godzirra_, got to leave for some minutes
[10:37] <nevin> then startup scriupt to sort out
[10:37] <[madman] > nevin:  or some tool to remotely save gnome session
[10:37] <[madman] > nevin:  like gnome-session-shutdown
[10:38] <nevin> what do you mean by remotely?
[10:38] <nevin> ah
[10:38] <[madman] > nevin:  from shutdown script
[10:38] <godzirra_> jowi: nope.. that doesnt work.
[10:38] <nevin> wait, you get a broken session by not calling said prog
[10:38] <[madman] > nevin:  i'm used to press the power button to shutdown the computer
[10:39] <nevin> right right
[10:39] <[madman] > nevin:  so my session is never saved
[10:39] <renatohe> I've been a mac user for ages. Lately I became interest. in Linux. I just ain't able to install sw like in mac or windows. I tried everything thus far, but I am unlucky trying to install skype or anything else for that matter. Can anyone help me? It is riddicul to reboot on mac os x everytime I need to use skype.
[10:39] <[madman] > nevin:  i'd like to have a way to save it
[10:39] <majikstreet> renatohe: what's the problem
[10:39] <nevin> can you do bash scripting?
[10:40] <nevin> madman: I'd just run a script every 30 seconds to back up the session file, and then restore last backup on boot
[10:40] <[madman] > nevin:  well... no problem, but i'd have to hack gnome-session a bit to detect if the session was saved
[10:40] <[madman] > nevin:  well... quite a good idea, too
[10:40] <ukh> renatohe: I doubt there is a ppc linux edition of skype
[10:41] <[madman] > nevin:  but I think gnome should have such a feature built in
[10:41] <nevin> definately
[10:41] <[madman] > nevin:  (no, kde doesn't do it - no, xfce neither;)
[10:42] <JadeRobbins> xfce?
[10:42] <dimitris> I can't seem to keep gaim minimized. Everytime i log in the main windows pops up! I have avtivated the tray icon plugin but it doesn't stay iconified!
[10:43] <JadeRobbins> :X
[10:43] <[madman] > JadeRobbins:  well, acpi has a session manager, too. if I shut down the machine from ACPI, i get my last saved session
[10:43] <[madman] > JadeRobbins:  it should save session not only on proper logout, but on sending QUIT to session manager, too
[10:44] <JadeRobbins> :S
[10:44] <JadeRobbins> i want to go home and try that on my laptop
[10:44] <JadeRobbins> i'm super pumped
[10:44] <[madman] > ;)
[10:44] <nevin> madman: can you change the command that acpi runs to shut stuff down?
[10:45] <[madman] > nevin:  yes, i can do anything i want on acpi events
[10:45] <[madman] > nevin:  but don't yet know how to remotely shutdown gnome
[10:45] <[madman] > nevin:  without asking user a confirmation
[10:46] <zyth> hey, can I use 1 AP and 7 Range Expanders to spread a wifi signal around a building? (aside from issues regarding what happens if 1 repeater in the sequence goes out)
[10:47] <salil> can anyone tell me the location of the login screen file.. or how to change them..
[10:48] <dimitris> System -> Administration -> Login Screen Setup
[10:48] <nevin> madman: gnome-session-save --kill
[10:48] <dimitris> Just paste the theme you want there
[10:48] <nevin> madman: read the manpage
[10:48] <[madman] > nevin:  thanks, will try it out
[10:48] <nevin> np
[10:48] <[madman] > NeoFax:  if it's possible, i wonder why ubuntu doesn't have it included in its acpi scripts
[10:48] <sater> so are the creators of ubuntu in the debian community regulars here?
[10:49] <sater> <-- first time opening x-chat, didn't even know about this chanel
[10:49] <Randall64> Has anyone upgraded to breezy recently?  It doesn't seem to be able to upgrade libc.
[10:50] <DukGalNamu> cupsd child exited with status 13!
[10:50] <DukGalNamu> crap i need to print!!
[10:51] <[madman] > nevin:  i'll hack on the scripts and file a patch on the ubuntu bugzilla
[10:51] <DukGalNamu> i don't think i have cups running ATM, could someone tell me how to turn it on?
[10:51] <zerboxx> With M$ I had never burnt a coaster CD, and I tried to burn my first cd with gnomebaker, and it turns out to have failed.  Where can I find a guide to making sure that I don't burn more?
[10:52] <salil> can anyone tell me how to change the login screen. !!!!!
[10:52] <DukGalNamu> zerboxx: try reading it anyways, good chance that its still good
[10:52] <xulin> hi
[10:52] <zerboxx> DukGalNamu: It's supposed to be a full CD it stopped on track 2 or 3 :D
[10:52] <DukGalNamu> someone help with cupds?
[10:52] <Randall64> s/n in here is insane
[10:52] <Randall64> salil: System->Login or something
[10:53] <xulin> i have a problem .. in /dev/ i do a ./MAKEDEV agpgart but .. agpgart does not appear :s
[10:53] <Kamui> @salil: system>administration>loginscreensetup
[10:53] <[madman] > bbl. hacking on acpi scripts ;)
[10:53] <Randall64> xulin: MAKEDEV doesn't mean much when you're using udev ...
[10:53] <salil> Kamui: thanks
[10:53] <Kamui> np
[10:53] <DukGalNamu> zerboxx: ohh, thats odd, well those types of errors are common on winods machines also, it could just be that you got lucky the entire time you had windoze
[10:53] <salil> Kamui:  but that is not working..
[10:53] <Kamui> ohw?
[10:53] <salil> Kamui: so i need to change the file itself
[10:53] <bimberi> DukGalNamu: sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys start
[10:53] <Kamui> ah
[10:53] <xulin> Randall64, ah ok .. and why the device does not appear : s.. ?
[10:53] <DukGalNamu> cool
[10:54] <Randall64> xulin: device creation is automatic
[10:54] <Randall64> xulin: Did you load the proper module already?
[10:54] <xulin> Randall64, it look like :s ..
[10:55] <bimberi> sater: welcome! yes, sometimes there's a developer or two here.  There's also their own channel #ubuntu-develop
[10:55] <Randall64> xulin: dmesg might reveal more
[10:55] <Kamui> @salil: try changing gdm.conf in /etc/gdm to your liking
[10:58] <DukGalNamu> crap, everything that tries to print crashes
[11:00] <DukGalNamu> bimberi: any reason why programs would crash when trying to print?
[11:00] <deprave__> what's the ubuntu version of traceroute
[11:01] <deprave__> nevermind im out
[11:01] <bimberi> DukGalNamu: hard to say.  I'd start looking in /var/log (and subdirs) to see if there are any clues
[11:01] <bimberi> DukGalNamu: programs? - more than 1 program?
[11:01] <DukGalNamu> bimberi: yeah, firefox and xpdf so far
[11:02] <Randall64> ugh, you can't upgrade to breezy and the snapshot torrent doesn't work
[11:02] <bimberi> bimberi: k - more likely the printing system then I spose
[11:02] <esac> any instructions for getting nvidia 7667 drivers going ? or do i just run their binary installer ?
[11:02] <DukGalNamu> bimberi: talking to yourself? :P
[11:02] <paul0> my X configuration is wrong, what utility ubuntu use for x86 configuration?
[11:02] <Lorvy> Hey, just installed ubuntu but cant listen to mp3 files.. some missing codecs or something.. what should i install?
[11:02] <bimberi> DukGalNamu: D'Oh yes :)
[11:03] <DukGalNamu> bimberi: lol
[11:03] <salil> someone help me with this..
[11:03] <salil> my gnome is spoilt because of kubuntu-desktop
[11:03] <bimberi> the only good conversation I can get sometimes :)
[11:03] <DukGalNamu> bimberi: although i am not running gnome i have some of the utils still, so what could i use to access the cups server
[11:03] <salil> help please
[11:04] <Randall64> salil: What does that mean?
[11:04] <DukGalNamu> salil: they both should be able to coexist
[11:04] <DukGalNamu> and kubuntu has no gnome standered
[11:04] <DukGalNamu> it has kde
[11:04] <salil> no.. kubuntu changed the login screen..
[11:04] <salil> now i can't change it back
[11:04] <nevin> DukGalName: http://localhost:631/
[11:04] <hybrid_goth> thats why you get xfce and run kde and gnome progs
[11:05] <DukGalNamu> salil: right, it pu kdm as the login screen
[11:05] <Randall64> salil: It sounds like you're running kdm instead of gdm, so just fire up configure-debian and look around
[11:05] <salil> kdm..
[11:05] <DukGalNamu> salil: i prefer xdm personally
[11:05] <salil> what is that..?
[11:05] <nevin> xdm is the barebones login manager
[11:05] <Randall64> salil: It's the "login screen."
[11:05] <nevin> packaged with X usually
[11:06] <salil> :)
[11:06] <DukGalNamu> salil: just type in a consol sudo apt-get install gdm
[11:06] <bimberi> DukGalNamu: sorry, unsure, nevin's post looks promising
[11:06] <salil> Randall64: configure-debain command is not there
[11:06] <nevin> use gdm or kdm, not xdm
[11:06] <Randall64> salil: If you install it it should be.
[11:06] <nevin> they let you choose between kde gnome, xfce whatever easily on login
[11:07] <nevin> xdm is harder to configure in that respect
[11:07] <salil> Randall64: also. .. the logout confirmation options are changed too..
[11:07] <Lorvy> Hey, just installed ubuntu but cant listen to mp3 files.. some missing codecs or something.. what should i install?
[11:07] <salil> Randall64: do you know how to change that as well..??
[11:07] <DukGalNamu> true, but i only log in using fluxbox, so its no problem
[11:07] <rapha> Hi all
[11:08] <nevin> lorvy: try using xmms instead of the prepackaged player, it comes with mp3 support builtin
[11:08] <cadu> Lorvy: what are you using?
[11:08] <DukGalNamu> nevin: that link doesn't work
[11:08] <cadu> Lorvy: ouse xmms :)
[11:08] <Randall64> salil: I've told you what you have to do.  Get back to us when you've done that.
[11:08] <Lorvy> just installed xmms (: doesnt work
[11:08] <nevin> lorvy: sudo apt-get install xmms
[11:08] <jowi> Lorvy, you are probably looking for gstreamer0.8-mad (if you are using totem)
[11:08] <nevin> DokGalNamu: you must have CUPS not running
[11:08] <salil> Lorvy: check the ubuntu wiki site for that..  its under restricted brands or something like that
[11:08] <Lorvy> installed xmms through that add/remove programs..
[11:08] <nevin> DokGalNamu: is CUPS installed?
[11:08] <xulin> Randall64, it ok now agpgart existe .. but .. now lanching gnome freeze at nautilus  (in the gnome splash screen) :/
[11:08] <DukGalNamu> nevin: yup
[11:09] <jowi> !restricted-formats
[11:09] <ubotu> jowi: Are you smoking crack?
[11:09] <Randall64> xulin: I can't help you make gnome not suck, sorry.
[11:09] <nevin> DokGalNamu: is it running?
[11:09] <salil> Randall64: i'm downloading a few libraries from the repositories.. so i can't run apt-get rite now..
[11:09] <xulin> Randall64, think this is a problem with the device :s not gnome :s ..
[11:09] <Randall64> xulin: What is gnome doing with agpgart, exactly?
[11:09] <DukGalNamu> nevin: not sure
[11:10] <xulin> Randall64, don't know is on the nautilus load .. renderaccell ..
[11:10] <jowi> Lorvy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:10] <nevin> DokHalNamu: try running sudo apt-get install cupsys
[11:11] <DukGalNamu> nevin: i know i have it, my printer has worked before...
[11:11] <Lorvy> jowi thanks
[11:11] <nevin> CUPS must have stopped then
[11:11] <DukGalNamu> nevin: i just restarted it though
[11:11] <nevin> Dok: nmap localhost
[11:11] <emanuelez> hello!
[11:11] <skratch> anyone here have problems working with mysql on ubuntu?
[11:12] <DukGalNamu> nevin: nmap?
[11:12] <emanuelez> is there a decent solution for gnome to burn audio cds from mp3s? gnomebaker is sooooo slow deconding mp3s to wavs
[11:12] <nevin> Dok: sudo apt-get install nmap --- ubuntu doesn't come with it in the base system
[11:12] <nevin> portscanner
[11:13] <utamaru> is it possible to get w32codecs to work on the amd64-build?
[11:13] <Ribs> utamaru: with a chroot, yes
[11:13] <jowi> emanuelez, another burner will not help with the speed of converting. i prefer graveman though
[11:13] <Ribs> utamaru: search the forums
[11:13] <nevin> emanuelez: k3b should do it fine
[11:13] <emanuelez> nevin: is k3b installable on ubuntu? :-O
[11:13] <nevin> I should think so
[11:14] <skratch> anyone?
[11:14] <utamaru> Ribs, is chroot hard to do, i'm quite noob
[11:14] <Ribs> k3b runs just fine here
[11:14] <DukGalNamu> nevin: Note: Host seems down. If it is really up, but blocking our ping probes, try -P
[11:14] <nevin> emanuelez: I'm installing it as we speak
[11:14] <Ribs> utamaru: not hard, per say... Just pay attention to the guide, and have a lot of patience
[11:14] <utamaru> okay
[11:14] <utamaru> thanks
[11:14] <nevin> DukGalNamu: have you played with your firewall?
[11:14] <emanuelez> nevin: same here :D
[11:14] <DukGalNamu> nevin: i shouldn't be firewalled
[11:15] <DukGalNamu> nevin: dont tell anyone though
[11:15] <DukGalNamu> nevin: :P
[11:15] <nevin> Duk: no typo in "localhost"?
[11:15] <DukGalNamu> nope
[11:15] <nevin> hah will do
[11:15] <DukGalNamu> andrew@AndrewLX:~ $ nmap localhost
[11:15] <DukGalNamu> thats what i typed
[11:16] <DukGalNamu> should i sudo it ?
[11:16] <nevin> why not, go ahead
[11:17] <DukGalNamu> nevin: ohhhh lots of problems
[11:17] <DukGalNamu> nevin: pretty error screens
[11:17] <DukGalNamu> nevin: :P
[11:17] <DukGalNamu> nevin: not that bad actually
[11:17] <nevin> hah
[11:17] <LasseL> hmm, shouldn't ubuntu source /etc/profile automatically when I start a new terminal ?
[11:17] <DukGalNamu>  Could not determine what interface to route packets through to 127.0.0.1, changing ping scantype to ICMP ping only
[11:18] <DekaPink> Anyone ever install Tibia on Ubuntu? :3
[11:18] <DukGalNamu> pcap_open_live: ioctl: No such device
[11:18] <nevin> Duk: hrm, that's.... not a happy message
[11:19] <DukGalNamu> nevin: i thought not
[11:19] <nevin> Duk: that may just be part of things
[11:19] <DukGalNamu> nevin: why wuould cups all of a sudden quit working?
[11:20] <nevin> Duk: what does the output of "ifconfig -a" give? any pretty errors?
[11:20] <nevin> I have truly no clue
[11:20] <esac> how do i get into text mode ? my resolution for X is set screwy and i need to change it
[11:20] <nevin> Duk: it may be unrelated to cups itself, but to these neat errors you're getting
[11:20] <DukGalNamu> nevin: hmm, no pretty errors
[11:20] <jk> esac: ctrl-alt-F2
[11:20] <jowi> LasseL, yes. and it does. /etc/profile will look for /user/someone/.bash_profile if you set it up (it does for me anyways)
[11:20] <nevin> esac: ctrl+alt+1
[11:21] <nevin> esac: same difference
[11:21] <jowi> LasseL, i meant /home/user/.bash_profile of course
[11:21] <nevin> Duk: try nmap on your NIC's IP address... I'm at a lack of ideas to resolve your loopback problems
[11:22] <LasseL> jowi, I changed my path in /etc/profile but it does not update the path when I open a new terminal
[11:22] <LasseL> jowi, but a manual source /etc/profile does
[11:22] <DukGalNamu> nevin: Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 0.158 seconds
[11:22] <esac> thanks, worked :)
[11:23] <nevin> Duk: is port 631 open, or did it fail the same way?
[11:24] <quitte> lool: are you there?
[11:24] <jowi> LasseL, strange things. do you have the "export PATH" at the end?
[11:24] <DukGalNamu> nevin: how do i enter the port?
[11:24] <LasseL> jowi, i just appended to the existing path line ..
[11:24] <jowi> LasseL, oh
[11:24] <nevin> Duk: it should give you a list of open ports
[11:24] <LasseL> jowi, maybe i need to log out?
[11:25] <jowi> LasseL, maybe? i am actually not sure.
[11:25] <DukGalNamu> nevin: nmap?
[11:25] <flodine> hello folks
[11:25] <jowi> hi flodine
[11:25] <nevin> Duk: I'm sorry, by default, ubuntu closes port 631 from outside access
[11:25] <nevin> localhost should have it though
[11:25] <phixion> how do i go about installing the audio + video codecs?
[11:25] <nevin> Duk: we're going have to fix you loopback first
[11:26] <DukGalNamu> nevin: how
[11:26] <LasseL> phixion, ubuntuguide.org covers that
[11:26] <renatohe> can anyon help install skype?
[11:26] <renatohe> i got this far
[11:26] <phixion> LasseL, I'm not using the repositories from ubuntuguide.org
[11:26] <renatohe> renatohe@maclinux:~/Desktop/skype-1.2.0.11$
[11:26] <DukGalNamu> nevin: ok, it was working until i had to restart my comp about a month ago
[11:26] <DukGalNamu> nevin: not sure if that was the last time it was working
[11:27] <LasseL> phixion, ok, then I don't know .. i did have some trouble myself using the backports
[11:27] <DukGalNamu> nevin: but it was printing fine for a long while
[11:27] <LasseL> phixion, maybe you can enable them just for the codec install?
[11:27] <nevin> Duk: I'd say you might have to restart your comp...
[11:27] <redbull> hello
[11:27] <phixion> LasseL, yeah i usually have to do that, i was just hoping for a different way
[11:27] <DukGalNamu> nevin: damn
[11:27] <jowi> renatohe, download the debian package from skype.com. then you have to install libqt3c102-mt package
[11:28] <nevin> Duk: it seems your loopback adapter has gone screwy, which means that you couldn't connect to CUPS, or amdminister it
[11:28] <DukGalNamu> nevin:  14:27:36 up 33 days, 13:43,  6 users,  load average: 0.07, 0.07, 0.08
[11:28] <Slipaway172> how do i install a .deb that is not in the repository
[11:28] <nevin> Duk: hold on one second
[11:28] <jowi> Slipaway172, dpkg -i filename.deb
[11:28] <DukGalNamu> jowi: beat me to it
[11:28] <Slipaway172> thanks
[11:28] <salil> hey.. guys.. i am using gdm.. not kdm.. but still .the login screen is the same..
[11:28] <DukGalNamu> ?
[11:29] <utamaru> Ribs, sorry, i just cant seem to figure it out
[11:29] <DukGalNamu> salil: make sure you selected gnome...
[11:29] <salil> yes.. i selected gnome
[11:30] <DukGalNamu> does the login screen still look like kdm?
[11:30] <xulin> Randall64, it freeze only with 686-smp kernels and not 386 .. i test 686 one without ht ..
[11:30] <thespiritoftal> hi this is rather off-topic but can someone help me uninstall windows me and install windows 98?
[11:30] <LasseL> thespiritoftal, what a horrible idea
[11:30] <DukGalNamu> thespiritoftal: WAY OFF TOPIC
[11:30] <quitte> thespiritoftal: dos and format can
[11:31] <nevin> Duk: try running "sudo ifconfig lo down", then "sudo ifconfig lo up"
[11:31] <DukGalNamu> stick the 95 CD in and install
[11:31] <ebrown> anyone have luck with senao cards in ubuntu
[11:31] <nevin> thespiritofhal: stick in the ubuntu 5.04 install CD... ;-)
[11:31] <jowi> lol nevin
[11:32] <thespiritoftal> I have ubuntu already lol but I need windows for my brother
[11:32] <nevin> lol alright
[11:32] <salil> DukGalNamu: please tell me what else i can check up on.
[11:32] <DukGalNamu> nevin: heh, nmap localhost works
[11:33] <nevin> Duk: port 631 is open?
[11:33] <DukGalNamu> nevin: it only shows two ports
[11:33] <MartenH> thespiritoftal: I think you need a boot disc for W98. Create one from Me, make sure it includes driver for the CD. then boot on that floppy, insert the w98 cd and run "setup" located on it
[11:33] <DukGalNamu> nevin: so how would i open port 631
[11:33] <Ribs> utamaru: if windows 32 codecs are a killer feature to you, I suggest you stick with the 32-bit version of Ubuntu then.
[11:33] <Slipaway172> un oh i see "win98"
[11:33] <yang> hello everyone
[11:33] <azik> thespiritoftal, mkdofs /dev/hda1 (or your win partition) , put your win98 cdrom, and reboot
[11:34] <jowi> hi yang
[11:34] <yang> i have some problem with firefox
[11:34] <nevin> Duk: it should be open if CUPs is running, but CUPS may have failed due to the fact localhost was mucked up earlier
[11:34] <utamaru> Ribs, not really. I just had some anime i'd like to see, but it was w32-encoded.
[11:34] <nevin> try restarting CUPS again
[11:34] <jowi> yang, what problem?
[11:34] <DukGalNamu> nevin: alright, so i will restart cups
[11:35] <yang> after i upgrade to FF 1.06, everytime i save a picture from web, it says "XML parsing error..."
[11:35] <nevin> restart firefox after upgrade
[11:35] <MartenH> Is it possible to move a window from one desktop to anohter?
[11:35] <nevin> yang, stuff gets out of sync taht way
[11:35] <DukGalNamu> nevin: 631 open :)
[11:35] <tucoz> Hi, I installed hoary today and updated the packages. After the update (I think) the boot crashes unless i edit the boot with acpi=off
[11:35] <salil> MartenH: yes it is.. select the window and press Shift+Ctrl+Alt+<arrow keys>
[11:35] <nevin> Duk: http://localhost:631/
[11:36] <DukGalNamu> just did it, but maybei  should just try printing now/
[11:36] <anders__> hello
[11:36] <tucoz> it's on a laptop
[11:36] <Mondoshawan> somebody using Windowmaker and it is unstable
[11:36] <Mondoshawan> ?
[11:36] <yang> o i c
[11:36] <MartenH> salil: ty!
[11:36] <nevin> MartenH: you can also right-click on titlebar, and select move right/left, or the workspace number
[11:36] <anders__> i have created an live net radio :) like to here it??
[11:36] <cadu> Mondoshawan: strange, coz windowmaker rocks
[11:36] <linukso> MartenH: <ctrl><shift><alt><left or right>
[11:36] <DukGalNamu> nevin: printer works !!!!!1
[11:36] <DukGalNamu> one
[11:36] <nevin> Duk: awesome!
[11:37] <linukso> Mondoshawan: I've tried it in ubuntu, but no stability issues...
[11:37] <Mondoshawan> yes i love it but some times he shuts down without reason or my browser shuts down without reason
[11:37] <yang> seems like the problem are solved now, :) i restart the FF, thx everyone
[11:37] <MartenH> NeoFax: ty too :) and linukso also :)
[11:37] <salil> MartenH: you can right click on the window name in the tasklist bar.. and select "Move to another workspace"
[11:37] <nevin> np yang
[11:37] <anders__> the radio neam is dalarax.linux.dk:8000
[11:37] <tucoz> any tips on what might have caused this?
[11:37] <linukso> Anyone here ever tried any of the gnustep apps and actually liked it?
[11:37] <Mondoshawan> i want to update on 0.92 but i am not really smart in this
[11:37] <jowi> Mondoshawan, i have not have any stability issues with windowmaker.
[11:38] <Mondoshawan> what version you have?
[11:38] <azik> my printer is a canon s200x but no color printing is posible, there is a patch to other version of gimp-print that come with ubuntu, but i think is *risky* to patch other version...
[11:38] <nevin> tucoz: do you have an acpi computer?
[11:38] <linukso> Mondoshawan: for 0.92 I think you have to use backports, which I don't encourage....
[11:38] <tucoz> yes, it's a laptop
[11:38] <Mondoshawan> what are backports?
[11:38] <jowi> !backports
[11:38] <ubotu> backports is, like, .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[11:38] <Travis> whats the command to chmod every file in a folder to 777?
[11:39] <nevin> Travis: chmod 777 *
[11:39] <Travis> k
[11:39] <Travis> thanks
[11:39] <nevin> np
[11:39] <Mondoshawan> oh thanks
[11:39] <Amaranth> ack
[11:39] <Amaranth> xchat beeps when you say Travis :)
[11:39] <nevin> hah pwnt
[11:39] <tucoz> nevin: acpi is for powermanagment right? Anyway, I noticed this when I rebooted when I installed the fglrx driver. The shutdown process froze on the acpi stuff
[11:39] <salil> Travis: that means you're allowing everyone in the system to read,write and execute those files
[11:39] <anders__> hehe
[11:39] <Amaranth> ack
[11:40] <tucoz> acpi worked fine before.
[11:40] <nevin> tucoz: your laptop may have non standard acpi for some reason... try googling, if you haven't already
[11:40] <salil> Travis: i'm sorry .. i thought you asked what that ment. !! ;P
[11:40] <procrastinator> When running vncviewer in fullscreen, how the hell do you exit it?
[11:40] <Travis> ok
[11:40] <godzirra_> Does the grub that comes with ubuntu have splashimage support?  It says it does, but when I try and load a splashimage with the grub config, I get a funky looking ascii lines thing.  If I load it in the grub commandline before booting, I get it just fine.
[11:40] <nevin> tucoz: changes to acpi may have mucked stuff up that in that regard
[11:41] <Travis> nevin that only did the every file in that folder, not the folders in the folder
[11:41] <Amaranth> godzirra_: err, that would mean it works, wouldn't it?
[11:41] <azik> godzirra_,  yes it has it :)
[11:41] <tucoz> nevin: I'm not sure what you mean? changes when I updated?
[11:41] <Amaranth> btw, where can i find splash images and where do i put them to make grub use them?
[11:41] <linukso> backports official! d*nm... Never thought that would happend!
[11:41] <godzirra_> Amaranth: Well...  It works from the command line but when I boot and it tries to load the image behind while its booting, I get funky looking ascii crap.
[11:42] <godzirra_> i.e. it works at the grub command line, but when booting it doesnt.
[11:42] <linukso> any conflicts with the stable repositories?
[11:42] <azik> godzirra_, something like "splashimage (hd0,2)/grub/linux.xpm.gz" to put in your menu.lst and go :)
[11:42] <godzirra_> I did.
[11:42] <godzirra_> It doesnt work :(
[11:42] <nevin> yeah, the acpi software or whatnot might have broken support for your laptop's acpi
[11:42] <Travis> how can I chmod EVERY file and folders within a folder to 777?
[11:42] <godzirra_> I have "splashimage (hd0,2)/grub/splashimages/debian_cooleye.xpm.gz"
[11:42] <anders__> man that radio is cool
[11:42] <linukso> Travis: man chmod is your friend
[11:42] <nevin> tucoz: try "chmod 777 `find .`"
[11:43] <godzirra_> and that line works fine if I type it at the grub command line, but it doesnt work when booting up.
[11:43] <nevin> whoops
[11:43] <nevin> not tucoz
[11:43] <tucoz> Oh, ok. That makes sence. I'll google some more.
[11:43] <tucoz> :)
[11:43] <nevin> sounds good
[11:43] <tucoz> thanks nevin
[11:43] <nevin> anytime
[11:43] <renatohe> i have on my G4 desktop the unpacked skype. Who can help me?
[11:43] <azik> godzirra_, it's a 14 color,640x480, xpm image?
[11:44] <azik> try other picture
[11:44] <godzirra_> hrm.. I didnt try a different picture.
[11:44] <azik> it's works on my grub
[11:44] <godzirra_> one second.. lemme try again.
[11:44] <thelow> anyone knows how to commit changes made to the yaboot.conf file? i guess you need to update the bootstrap configuration... or am i wrong?
[11:44] <anders__> i have meak a ubuntu live radio if some are intrest ??
[11:44] <cadu> renatohe: ?
[11:44] <nevin> renatohe: what do you mean by unpacked? you have source?  a .deb?
[11:44] <cadu> renatohe: skype for PPC?
[11:44] <godzirra_> (Although the picture DOES work at the command line which is weird...)
[11:44] <tucoz> Just a quick one. How do I get ubuntu to mount my usb-mass-storage disk?
[11:44] <godzirra_> actually.. azik, can you send me one thats working for you?
[11:44] <nevin> tucoz: it should automatically
[11:44] <azik> yes, wait a moment
[11:44] <renatohe> Yes skype for powerpc on a targzbin2
[11:45] <tucoz> hmm, it doesn't
[11:45] <cadu> renatohe: just unpack and click 'skype'
[11:45] <nevin> tucoz: run nautilus --browser and it should appear in the left pane
[11:45] <tucoz> I am running kde
[11:45] <nevin> um
[11:45] <LasseL> tucoz, I put /dev/sda1       /media/ipod     auto    noauto,user,rw  0       0 in my /etc/fstab
[11:45] <nevin> tucoz: look in /media
[11:46] <thelow> anyone knows how to commit changes made to the yaboot.conf file? i guess you need to update the bootstrap configuration... am i wrong?
[11:46] <tucoz> nevin: only the cdrom in /media
[11:46] <nevin> LasseL, tucoz: I had that fstab entry, but the kernel starting making stuff sdb1, etc.
[11:46] <nevin> is the disk plugged in?
[11:46] <tucoz> LasseL, ok, thanks. I'll look there
[11:46] <tucoz> yes
[11:47] <LasseL> tucoz, try just writing "mount" on a prompt
[11:47] <nevin> sorry renatohe, impuse-closed it
[11:47] <renatohe> cadu: I did it and nothing happens
[11:47] <LasseL> tucoz, then see if you can see it in dev "ls /dev/sd*"
[11:47] <tucoz> after I edit fstab?
[11:47] <anders__> fore ubuntu peapols gow at dalarax.linux.dk:8000
[11:48] <salil> can anyone help me install bluetooth adapter...??
[11:48] <LasseL> tucoz, before -- see if you need to edit fstab
[11:48] <tucoz> ok
[11:48] <LasseL> anders__, #ubuntu-dk :)
[11:48] <cadu> LasseL: oh , ubuntu uses Udev ?
[11:48] <tucoz> LasseL, what do I look for in the list of sd*?
[11:49] <nevin> tucoz: whatever mount says
[11:49] <cadu> tucoz: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/flash
[11:49] <LasseL> tucoz, any entry
[11:49] <nevin> tucoz: try dmesg | less
[11:49] <anders__> Lassel year he
[11:49] <nevin> it'll tell you which drive it is
[11:49] <nevin> sorry
[11:49] <nevin> tucoz: just dmesg, you want the very end of it
[11:49] <salil> can anyone help me to install bluetooth adapter..?
[11:49] <thelow> does anyone know why i get this message during boot?: "radeonfb ... invalid ROM signature 303, should be 0x9955" the card seems to be recognised
[11:50] <nevin> salil: we need more info
[11:50] <liz4rd> hqas anyone tryed the new enlightenment or w.e?
[11:50] <tucoz> is there a paste here?
[11:50] <tucoz> found it
[11:51] <salil> nevin: what kind of info..?
[11:51] <godzirra_> azik: ok.. I took a picture of it
[11:51] <nevin> salil: model, make, etc.... have you googled it to see if linux supports it?
[11:51] <mpmc> !memo
[11:51] <ubotu> mpmc: I haven't a clue
[11:51] <godzirra_> azik: I took a picture of what my screen is doing... one sec while I put it on a server
[11:52] <salil> nevin: i don't know the model or make..
[11:52] <mpmc> How do I use this memo bot?
[11:52] <othernoob> what's the kdedir on kubuntu?
[11:52] <cadu> !how do i use this memo bot
[11:52] <ubotu> cadu: Are you smoking crack?
[11:52] <cadu> :-)
[11:52] <Riddell> othernoob: /usr
[11:52] <tucoz> LasseL or nevin: care to take a look at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/806
[11:52] <tucoz> It's the end of the dmesg
[11:52] <othernoob> thought so, thanks
[11:52] <Riddell> othernoob: kde-config --prefix
[11:52] <salil> nevin: its not given on the adapter
[11:53] <tucoz> It's listed there. Weird that it doesnt show up in media or mnt
[11:53] <mpmc> !help
[11:53] <salil> nevin: its  just a small adapter , like a usb drive.. and you plug it into usb
[11:53] <nevin> tucoz: you're going to need to mount /dev/sdb1 as an auto filesystem
[11:54] <tucoz> ok, so then I edit fstab to do that?
[11:54] <LiNoH> somebody help me with ubuntu 5.04 instalation
[11:54] <xulin> Randall64, touchdown ! .. snd-atiixp-modem with freeze the system at gnome startup if it is loaded ...
[11:54] <nevin> salil: try pluggin it in, look at the pertinent stuff at the end of dmesg (run dmesg a few seconds after pluggin in)
[11:54] <nevin> tucoz: yeah
[11:54] <hollywoodb> are universe packages for amd64 fairly safe? there's a handful of applications I want, about 12 packages with dependecies included
[11:54] <LasseL> tucoz, right. look at the line i gave you. remember to create the folder in /media first :)
[11:55] <tucoz> yes, thanks alot guys
[11:55] <LasseL> tucoz, then "sudo mount -a" to reload fstab
[11:55] <LiNoH> [[ somebody help me with ubuntu 5.04 instalation ] ] 
[11:55] <jowi> LiNoH, you need to be more specific :-)
[11:55] <LiNoH> :)
[11:55] <nevin> LiNoH: what seems to be troubling you w/re to the install?
[11:56] <LiNoH> how can i set the root password?
[11:56] <salil> nevin: it shows [Bluetooth: Core ver 2.7
[11:56] <salil> NET: Registered protocol family 31
[11:56] <salil> Bluetooth: HCI device and connection manager initialized
[11:56] <salil> Bluetooth: HCI socket layer initialized
[11:56] <salil> Bluetooth: L2CAP ver 2.7
[11:56] <salil> Bluetooth: L2CAP socket layer initialized
[11:56] <salil> Bluetooth: RFCOMM ver 1.5
[11:56] <Blissex> LiNoH: you should ask specific question.
[11:56] <salil> Bluetooth: RFCOMM socket layer initialized
[11:56] <salil> Bluetooth: RFCOMM TTY layer initialized
[11:56] <salil> ] 
[11:56] <mpmc> Use #flood!
[11:56] <jowi> salil, please no flooding in here
[11:56] <yang> hello again, i want to install abiword, but from Synaptic it says that some dependable library are not installable (libenchant1). What should I do? how am I supposed to install that library?
[11:56] <Firetech> What can be wrong if my USB 2.0 external drive gets recognised as a high speed device, but doesn't give me speeds over 10 MB/s (approx 80 Mbps)?
[11:57] <salil> jowi: sorry.. i was not trying to flood
[11:57] <nevin> salil: look for model/make info
[11:57] <LiNoH> how can i set the root password after install ubuntu 5.04? i couldnt use sudo
[11:57] <mpmc> Firetech: maybe a bottleneck?
[11:57] <cybernightlife> LiNoH:  Did you use the default install?
[11:58] <LiNoH> yes
[11:58] <Firetech> mpmc: It's the same for all my USB 2.0 stuff
[11:58] <azik> Firetech, i think that is not a bad speed
[11:58] <LiNoH> i saw an website
[11:58] <Firetech> What could that bottle neck be
[11:58] <LiNoH> that explains how to install ubuntu
[11:58] <LiNoH> step by step
[11:58] <MartenH> LiNoH: That and many useful things are explained on http://ubuntuguide.org/
[11:58] <Firetech> azik: well... High speed usb should go up to 480 Mbps
[11:58] <mpmc> firetech: yes a bottleneck, mouse,printer,webcam?
[11:59] <cybernightlife> What I did to solve the problem was use the expert mode.  This mode allows you to enter the root password at the time the user accounts are created.
[11:59] <mpmc> !guide
[11:59] <ubotu> mpmc: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[11:59] <hollywoodb> I just used 'sudo passwd root' after the system was installed... didn't need a password to run the sudo command
[11:59] <mpmc> !ubuntu
[11:59] <ubotu> ubuntu is, like, an easy-to-use GNU/Linux desktop distro based on Debian.  http://ubuntu.com http://ubuntuforums.org http://wiki.ubuntu.com. It means 'Humanity to others'.
[11:59] <Firetech> mpmc: you mean other USB stuff or?
[11:59] <mpmc> !ubuntuguide
[11:59] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[11:59] <salil> anyone who can help me install bluetooth adapter..?
[11:59] <mpmc> firetech: yes...
[12:00] <Firetech> hmm