[12:02] <Tonio-> Hi there ;)
[12:02] <Tonio-> Anyone here having the repo for kde 3.4.2 ?
[12:03] <Riddell> Tonio-: see kubuntu.org
[12:03] <Tonio-> Already public ?
[12:03] <Tonio-> I thought it was still testing
[12:04] <Tonio-> Ho yeah, officialy released by kde today ! nice ;) Thanks a lot
[12:05] <Tonio-> Riddell: I'm just packaging ksystemlog cleanly.
[12:05] <Tonio-> I'm telling you this because I know you are interesseted in adding it to the next version of livecd
[12:07] <Riddell> Tonio-: actually I've already tidied up your ksystemlog package
[12:08] <Riddell> on revu
[12:09] <Tonio-> yep but it isn't compliant is it ? i'm checking
[12:10] <Tonio-> Riddell: I'm actually preparing a new package who might be correct ;)
[12:11] <Tonio-> I have done my first policy compliant package yesterday so it might be okay now, I have the technique lol
[12:12] <Tonio-> Riddell: I'll be posted in one hour max...
[12:22] <Mez> Riddell, ping
[12:22] <Riddell> Mez: toot
[12:23] <Mez> can you have a look at the k3b-i18n package in REVU
[12:23] <Mez> it's confusing the hell outta me
[12:24] <Mez> the thing says I'm referring to arch dependent packages
[12:24] <Mez> but I dont refer to arch dependt packages
[12:24] <Mez> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/incoming/k3b-i18n-0507281510/k3b-i18n-0.12.2/debian/control
[12:25] <Riddell> which thing says that?
[12:25] <Mez> lintian
[12:25] <Mez> fecjk
[12:25] <Mez> (>=0.12)
[12:25] <Mez> not (>= 0.12)
[12:25] <Mez> that was prob what it was bitching about
[12:38] <Riddell> Mez: still need me to look at it or will you upload a fixed version?
[12:39] <Mez> Riddell, uploaded, just waiting for REVU to proces itr
[12:44] <Mez> Riddell, http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=253
[12:45] <Mez> I would upload it myself... but still wiating :D
[12:46] <Riddell> Tonio-: klibido looks good, I'm going to advocate it
[12:46] <Tonio-> okay ;) thanks
[12:47] <Riddell> wow, dholbach is strict
[12:47] <Riddell> Mez: are you able to advocate stuff yet?
[12:48] <Tonio-> yep, amazigly strict ;) It helped making great progress but sometime I must say I'm confused of what to do...
[12:48] <Tonio-> I cannot ask to the developper to clean his source code for ubuntu addition should I ?? ^_^
[12:49] <Riddell> Tonio-: you can send polite comments back to the developers yes :)
[12:49] <Tonio-> okay, well not a problem with pwmanager whom I contact very often...
[12:50] <Tonio-> What file is concerned by this comment ? you should talk to upstream about how serious these two messages are: binary-or-shlib-defines-rpath ./usr/lib/kde3/kded_pwmanager_kwalletemu.so /usr/lib
[12:50] <Tonio-> I searched quickly but didn't find where it was...
[12:50] <Riddell> Tonio-: that's a lintian error, but I don't get any such error
[12:51] <Riddell> lintian foo.deb  and  lintian foo.dsc
[12:51] <Tonio-> I don't to.... this is the reason U wasn't able to find....
[12:53] <Riddell> Tonio-: pwmanager good too.. advocating
[12:53] <Tonio-> nice ;)
[12:54] <Mez> Riddell, yes
[12:54] <Riddell> who is muszilla@users.sourceforge?
[12:54] <Mez> dholbach is very very strict ridell :D
[12:55] <Riddell> Mez: fancy advocating ksystemlog, pwmanager and klibido then?
[12:55] <Tonio-> Riddell: no need to rebuilt ksystemlog so I'll probably add kmplayer and klamav today or tomorow
[12:55] <Riddell> Tonio-: cool
[12:55] <Mez> Riddell - muszilla=Andreas Mussgiller
[12:55] <Tonio-> Mez: yep amazingly, but for personns like who are learning packaging this is a very good way to learn also !
[12:56] <Riddell> Mez: is he on IRC?
[12:56] <Tonio-> hum guys, little question concerning sources modifications...
[12:56] <Mez> Riddell, no idea
[12:57] <Mez> and for ksystemlog, it was agreed that
[12:57] <Mez> Debian package:
[12:57] <Mez>     Copyright 2005 Jonathan Riddell <jriddell@ubuntu.com>
[12:57] <Mez> shoudlnt be there
[12:57] <Tonio-> If I have for example CVS folders to remove, should that be done with a cdbs patch or would you do directly in the sources ?
[12:57] <Mez> This package was debianized by Jonathan Riddell <jriddell@ubuntu.com> on
[12:57] <Mez> Thu,  28 Jul 2005 17:41:21 +0200.
[12:57] <Mez> then another saying same thing
[12:57] <Mez> It's not right
[12:57] <Mez> and packaging cant be "copyrighted"
[12:57] <Mez> as it's all based off of dh_make in the first place
[12:57] <Mez> :D
[12:58] <Tonio-> I may post a new version exactly done like klibido don't you wan't ?
[12:58] <Riddell> Mez: it's not based off dh_make
[12:58] <Mez> it will have been at some point :d
[12:58] <Tonio-> I have ksystemlog right now on the computer....
[12:58] <Mez> but yeah, the copyright for the package shouldnt be there tecnically
[12:58] <Riddell> Tonio-: I'd remove CVS directories to sources before making the .orig file
[12:59] <Mez> I asked this earlier, cause it seemed wrong to have ti twice, and ogra said it shouldnt really be tyhere
[12:59] <Tonio-> okay, so I'll keep doning this and maybe mention that to the changelog 
[12:59] <Riddell> why not?
[12:59] <Riddell> Tonio-: if dh gives you hassle get me to poke him :)
[01:00] <Mez> Riddell: cause it already says who it was packaged by right abve that
[01:00] <Tonio-> hehe ^^
[01:00] <Riddell> Mez: but doesn't say who it's copyright to
[01:01] <Mez> Riddell: I don't see how you can copyright a package
[01:01] <Tonio-> he should be in gentoo community or even freebsd ^^
[01:01] <Mez> seeing as someone will have at some point dont exactly the same thing
[01:01] <Mez> and unless you apply a licence to the packaging of it
[01:01] <Mez> it means noone can work on the package
[01:02] <Tonio-> Riddell: appart from that he send me an email saying he was fine finding a newbie making efforts and encourgaging me a lot...
[01:02] <Tonio-> strict but very nice guy I must say ;)
[01:02] <Mez> Riddell, I've not seen a single package dh has liked
[01:02] <Riddell> dh is lovely really :)
[01:03] <Mez> he';s a good guy
[01:03] <Tonio-> I looked at revues to find error not to commit and I must say I didn't saw one dh's "yes" advocating ;)
[01:03] <Mez> just very strict and seems to be able to get any package and list a massive long list of faults
[01:03] <Mez> brb
 dh is lovely really :) -> from what I've read I must say I completly agree ;)
[01:07] <Mez> Riddell, I already advocated pwmanager
[01:08] <Tonio-> And in a MOTU's school he would be the perfect teacher I think... Lokk at his revu and you can learn a lot concerning the specific points to look at.
[01:08] <Mez> oh, and Tonio- sorry for the load of "copy and paste" reviews :D
[01:08] <Riddell> Mez: ah, so you did
[01:08] <Mez> and klibido
[01:09] <Mez> Riddell, can you advocate ?
[01:09] <Tonio-> Mez, I really want to learn making good packages... I learned a lot that way, so that's perfectly okay to me
[01:09] <Mez> Tonio-, I was hoping youd see it that way and not me just slating your packages 
[01:09] <Mez> I did add a couple of comments on the ones I saw with other problems than the c&p ones, have a poke around them
[01:10] <Mez> like the zlib/bzlib one :D
[01:10] <Riddell> Mez: yes but it silently doesn't add it if I just tick the box without a comment, silly of it
[01:10] <Mez> lol
[01:10] <Mez> Tonio-, you do check that these build on breezy dpon't you?
[01:11] <Tonio-> nope, I don't know how to get the breezy packages list
[01:11] <Tonio-> I just wanted to ask how to be sure that a package isn't already added
[01:11] <Tonio-> so how ? ^^
[01:11] <Mez> Tonio - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PBuilderHowto
[01:11] <Mez> hmmles
[01:12] <Mez> why were package archived that havent been uploaded
[01:12] <Tonio-> hu ? I look but didn't find....
[01:12] <Tonio-> let me check once more
[01:13] <Riddell> Mez: k3b-i18n doesn't package if you debuild then debuild -S
[01:13] <Tonio-> Mez: what does "to slate" means ?
[01:15] <Tonio-> no forget -> google.com ;)
[01:18] <Mez> Riddell: can you upload php4-universe for me?
[01:18] <Tonio-> Mez: I didn't read correctly, so yes, I'm building packages with pbuilder from the beggining according to Riddell advices
[01:18] <Tonio-> sorry for the confusion, I didn'"t pratice much english for 5 years and sometime I'mm not understanding everything correctly hehe ^^
[01:18] <Mez> Riddell, wtf are uncleaned gmo files?
[01:20] <Tonio-> hum, same stupid question 
[01:20] <Tonio-> If I wanna add an application, how to know if it is already in breezy ?
[01:20] <Tonio-> Is downloading packages.gz on the repo the only solution ?
[01:20] <Riddell> Mez: dpkg-source: cannot represent change to zh_CN/messages/libk3bdevice.gmo: binary file contents changed
[01:20] <Mez> Tonio-, packages.ubuntu.com
[01:21] <Mez> Riddell, I have NO idea what that means :D
[01:21] <Riddell> Mez: do a debuild then a debuild -S
[01:21] <Riddell> it doesn't remove all the generated files
[01:21] <Tonio-> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH good !
[01:21] <Mez> Riddell - am trying
[01:21] <Mez> and Riddell - how do i fix that
[01:22] <Riddell> Mez: quick fix would be adding  find . -name *gmo | xargs rm  to debian/rules  clean
[01:22] <Riddell> bit of a kludge but
[01:23] <Mez> Riddell: your hoary 3.4.2.packages are b0rked
[01:23] <Mez> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[01:23] <Mez>   libarts1-dev: Depends: libarts1c2 (= 1.4.2-0ubuntu0hoary1) but it is not going to be installed
[01:24] <Mez> libarts1c2: Conflicts: libarts1 but 1.4.1-0ubuntu0hoary1 is to be installed
[01:25] <Riddell> Mez: that's not good
[01:25] <Mez> lol
[01:26] <Mez> and it also breaks on an upgrade too
[01:26] <Mez> and, to try and remove it, you have to remove EVERYTHING in kubuntu :D
[01:27] <Riddell> Mez: where are you getting it from?
[01:29] <Mez> mez@apathy:/backports/arena/k3b-i38n/k3b-i18n-0.12.2$ apt-cache madison libarts1c2
[01:29] <Mez> libarts1c2 | 1.4.2-0ubuntu0hoary1 | http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk hoary-updates/main Packages
[01:29] <Mez> mez@apathy:/backports/arena/k3b-i38n/k3b-i18n-0.12.2$  
[01:30] <Tonio-> hum, just building kmplayer with possibly mplayer support, doesn't mplayer has dev package just like xine or gstreamer ?
[01:31] <Riddell> Mez: there was an old version that had arts problems but the current packages look fine to me
[01:32] <Mez> ah, seems i got that version
[01:32] <Mez> did an update and lots shineh new packages
[01:32] <Mez> Riddell, you know, I've only noticed one change
[01:32] <Mez> and thats the "system places" icon has changes
[01:33] <Mez> Riddell, can you upload php4-universe for me pleasE :D
[01:34] <Mez> oh god
[01:34] <Mez> someone REALLY needs a life
[01:35] <Riddell> who?
[01:35] <Mez> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=kitchensync
[01:35] <Mez> lol
[01:35] <Mez> wheover thought up that name
[01:35] <Riddell> cornelius I think :)
[01:36] <Mez> KDE: Everything includig the Kitchen Sink (spelling may vary)
[01:37] <Mez> Riddell, you still need ops on #kubuntu ?
[01:37] <Riddell> Mez: dunno, depends if there are going to be trouble makers there
[01:37] <Riddell> what is php4-universe?
[01:38] <Mez> it was originally a rebuild cvause of UnmentDeps
[01:38] <Mez> but had to change it a lil to fix it :D
[01:39] <Riddell> has it been uploaded before?
[01:40] <Mez> yeah, it's not a new package
[01:40] <Mez> I just dont have my upload access yet
[01:40] <Mez> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin//search_packages.pl?version=all&subword=0&exact=1&arch=any&releases=all&case=insensitive&keywords=php4-universe&searchon=sourcenames
[01:41] <Riddell> why is it called universe?
[01:41] <Mez> Riddell: I'd suggest nikkia as an op in #kubuntu if you need one. They're give very good quality support
[01:42] <Mez> Riddell, because it provides PHP packages that arent needed in main
[01:42] <Mez> http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/source/php4
[01:42] <Mez> vs http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/source/php4-universe
[01:43] <Riddell> nikkia looks like a girl from england, sure you're not just trying to chat her up?  :)
[01:43] <Mez> Riddell, no, I have a gf :D
[01:44] <Mez> (and i didnt know she was from engladn  I just know she gives good support)
[02:04] <Riddell> she's ignoring my /msg
[02:04] <Mez> and mine :D
[02:04] <Mez> what you say
[02:05] <Riddell> just said hi
[02:05] <Riddell> she probably gets that a lot :)
[02:06] <Mez> she doesnt see /msgs
[02:06] <Mez> ircssi
[02:07] <Riddell> irssi, should pick them up fine
[03:40] <Mez> Riddell, just to quash the rumours your spreading
 nikkia looks like a girl from england, sure you're not just trying to chat her up?  :)
[03:40] <Mez> why would I need to when I have this --> http://www.cheesenibbles.com/files/mez/emily.jpg
[03:40] <Mez> anyways
[03:40] <Mez> night
[10:38] <fromoze> Hi, just a comment about 3.4.2. I see the kcontrol isn't in the kmenu. I'm agree to use the preferences on System-Menu; but I'm disagree with no more acces to kcontrol. I'm adding a kcontrol launcher in kmenu-->System. 
[10:39] <fromoze> IMHO, kcontrol is easier for old-school kde user...
[10:54] <Mez> I think that's to make the way for kde-systemsettings
[10:54] <Mez> and it was forgotten about in 3.4.2
[10:57] <fromoze> ok, i see, I didn't have the package kde-systemsettings installed... I need to make a aptitude install kubuntu-desktop to see if I forgot something more :$
[10:58] <fromoze> now, system settings is where kcontrol used to stay ..
[01:27] <pef> hello
[01:27] <JRe> hello pef 
[02:13] <JRe> Riddell: you think that Tenor will be ready for KDE 4 ?
[02:22] <Riddell> JRe: that's the target yes
[02:22] <JRe> Riddell:sure =)
[02:22] <JRe> Riddell: but development has not yet started or i'm wrong ?
[02:23] <Riddell> JRe: development started long ago but it's still throwing ideas about, #klink is the channel
[02:23] <JRe> Riddell: thanks!
[02:47] <Tonio-> hi there
[02:47] <JRe> hi Tonio- 
[02:47] <Tonio-> anyone aware of a little bug in Amarok sice 3.4.2 ?
[02:47] <Tonio-> I have a bug in the gui....
[02:48] <Tonio-> hi JRe  ;)
[02:48] <JRe> what is the bug ?
[02:48] <Tonio-> I post a snap...
[02:51] <Tonio-> http://www.planetemu.net/temp/capture17.png
[02:51] <Tonio-> here it is....
[02:52] <JRe> hehe du cabrel =) =)
[02:53] <JRe> tough it seems to be a bad bug =(
[02:53] <Tonio-> yep
[02:53] <Tonio-> duno if that is due to amarok's code or the compilation...
[02:53] <Tonio-> need to see if the sources have been hacked...
[02:54] <Tonio-> and yes, Cabrel is good (if you understand french) ^^
[02:54] <JRe> Tonio-: it only has started to happen after KDE 3.4.2 installation?
[02:56] <Tonio-> yep
[02:56] <Tonio-> it was working fine before this
[02:57] <JRe> mmm strange bug
[02:57] <Tonio-> I just wanted to know i other users have the problem before trying to investigate a bit more or reporting that to bugzilla...
[05:41] <Riddell> Tonio-: what's the problem?
[05:43] <JRe> Riddell: seems to be fixed
[06:02] <Tonio-> Riddell: well I had an error on the guy
[06:02] <Tonio-> but I relaunched the app two or three times and it dissapered
[06:03] <Tonio-> you can look at the snapshot, in the list, the 8 (I think) first lines are program options ;)
[06:05] <Riddell> ah I see.  weird
[06:10] <Tonio-> yep, and that dissapired, just like that.....
[06:11] <Tonio-> sounds amazing.... maybe a bug in the sqlite database.....
[06:11] <Tonio-> that was detected and corrected after a few loadings.......
[06:13] <Tonio-> ah Riddell I have a little question concerning a package, because I don't want to create any problems on REVU...
[06:14] <Tonio-> Knemo is an excellent app, but already package, that will cause an issue already in breezy..
[06:14] <Tonio-> icons conflict with knetworkconf.....
[06:14] <Riddell> hmm, I thought I'd fixed that
[06:14] <Tonio-> ah ?
[06:14] <Tonio-> okay
[06:15] <Riddell> well maybe I havn't if you still see the problem
[06:15] <Tonio-> so you can remove the corrected version on I posted on revu ;)
[06:15] <Tonio-> but I mean, the best way to correct the problem is ?
[06:15] <Riddell> I changed the icon in knetworkconf actually (since it's in KDE's SVN I could change it there too)
[06:15] <Tonio-> the rename the icons and change the makefile, or remove the icons ? and doing that directly in the sources or within a cdbs patch ?
[06:16] <Tonio-> ah good ;)
[06:16] <Tonio-> can you remove the package I posted tu REVU so ?
[06:16] <Riddell> Tonio-: are you getting an error in breezy?
[06:16] <Tonio-> or at list put it in archived ? it doesn't need to be reviewed
[06:16] <Tonio-> nope
[06:16] <Tonio-> I mean I didn't try
[06:17] <Tonio-> bu because knetworkconf sources includes those icons and same for knemo
[06:17] <Tonio-> I belived the problem will remain isn't it ?
[06:17] <Tonio-> or maybe in svn version of knetworkconf it is different...
[06:17] <Riddell> well it /should/ be fixed by knetworkconf but maybe I didn't
[06:17] <Riddell> I'll take a look at it
[06:18] <Tonio-> okay
[06:18] <Tonio-> well in any case if it isn't you know I have a corrected package ;)
[06:18] <Tonio-> vut patching the sources requires cdbs patch to be validated according to the REVU policies no ?
[06:18] <Riddell> :)
[06:19] <Riddell> hello muszilla 
[06:19] <muszilla> Howdy
[06:19] <Tonio-> I did that manually in the sources and put the informations in the changelog.... Is it enought ?
[06:19] <Tonio-> hi muszilla 
[06:19] <Riddell> Tonio-: I think revu's 3 approval rule is only for new packages, anything else you can upload there and someone can upload as they see fit
[06:20] <Tonio-> doesn't require 3 approval ? only one is okay ?
[06:21] <Tonio-> well let's see one month before breezy, I'll have a look to see if the problem is present, and then reporting to you....
[06:21] <Riddell> Tonio-: well the 3 approval is for new packages as far as I know
[06:21] <Tonio-> okay
[06:21] <Tonio-> concerning kmplayer, I had it without koffice support, and emailed the upstream about what is it used for
[06:21] <Riddell> Tonio-: good plan
[06:22] <Tonio-> if it is important feature (but doesn't sounds), I'll put a 0ubuntu2 version with it
[06:22] <Riddell> muszilla: you must be the kweather man.  welcome along
[06:23] <Tonio-> the problem is that a complete koffice dependancie is perhaps too much for a simple konqueror plusgin unless the integration th koffice is important feature....
[06:26] <Riddell> it's possible the koffice stuff is a loadable plugin in which case it could be put in a separate package.  but this is unlikely
[06:27] <Tonio-> well, the fact that the official doesn't have any reference to koffice so that might be only "in project" or very very optionnal feature.....
[06:28] <Tonio-> that's the reason I wouldn't personnaly have to install the full koffice for juste  little video plugin....
[06:28] <Tonio-> the official site excuse ma...
[07:04] <muszilla> kweather? No, that is not me...