[12:02] <_drac> With i955
[12:16] <esac> ok seriously, has anybody gotten evolution to work with a microsoft exchange server ?
[12:17] <nikkia> once, a long time ago
[12:17] <nikkia> and only once
[12:21] <esac> dang, it asks me for my OWA url which i provide and username/pass and it keeps telling me that my username/pass is wrong
[12:23] <jeanluc> Hey can some one help me play mp3s? They don't seem to work in kubuntu
[12:23] <jeanluc> I've  installed this apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[12:23] <jeanluc> but still no sound when I play
[12:23] <jeanluc> ive tried beep media player amarok xmms juk
[12:23] <jeanluc> all of them but I can't seem to get it to work
[12:29] <nikkia> heh, this is annoying...
[12:29] <nikkia> automount is umounting my ipod cos beep-media-player is buffering more than my mount timeout's worth of audio
[12:31] <jeanluc> nikkia
[12:31] <nikkia> what?
[12:32] <jeanluc> do you know how to get mp3s to work?
[12:33] <nikkia> yes
[12:33] <jeanluc> can you help me?
[12:33] <_rob_> jeanluc: read the getting started guide
[12:33] <jeanluc> where?
[12:34] <_rob_> jeanluc: google "kubuntu getting started" or "kubuntu mp3"
[12:43] <zweihander> hi folks
[12:44] <zweihander> Anyone here good with X.org stuff/
[12:44] <zweihander> stuff?
[12:50] <bobbyd> hi
[12:51] <bobbyd> how do I run the kde setup wizard once I've already installed kde?
[12:52] <bobbyd> ahh, I found it, kpersonalizer
[01:01] <frank> bobbyd: thanks for sharing that!! I want to change something there
[01:04] <bobbyd> frank, np :)
[01:05] <frank> its the single click open file behaviour that I don't like
[01:05] <bobbyd> is there something in the standard distro that will show me a graph of net usage on the panel like knetload?
[01:06] <frank> cpu usage you mean?
[01:06] <aseigo> ksysguard?
[01:06] <frank> add the ksysguard applet to panel
[01:12] <esac> what do i install for bootp and tftpd
[01:20] <armando> hola
[01:20] <armando> NICK SoftLogic
[01:20] <SoftLogic> hola
[01:21] <SoftLogic> hola
[01:22] <SoftLogic> help
[01:27] <Firetech> why is there no kcontrol entry in the kmenu in 3.4.2?
[01:28] <nikkia> Firetech: you don't really need it you know....
[01:29] <nikkia> Firetech: open konqueror, use settings:/ as the url, or there should be a settings link in the system menu (2nd button from the left on the panel bar)
[01:29] <apokryphos> You don't need the kmenu altogether :P
[01:29] <apokryphos> hi nikkia :)
[01:29] <nikkia> evening apokryphos 
[01:29] <nikkia> a bit, not much
[01:30] <Firetech> I know I don't need it... I have the kcontrol submenu in the kmenu instead... I just wondered why it's gone
[01:30] <apokryphos> Kubuntu have big plans for kcontrol as far as I've seen
[01:31] <nikkia> apokryphos: i ventured into setting up kdm, and a kdm/ksplash theme pair, along with modifying kde to start jack before arts, today :P
[01:31] <apokryphos> as in, a destruction of it :|
[01:31] <apokryphos> nikkia: cool, how'd it go? I'm pretty happy with my kdm theme.. *goes to get the name*
[01:31] <nikkia> apokryphos: it went fine
[01:31] <apokryphos> logic scan fusion
[01:31] <nikkia> apokryphos: i'm using a modified 'shuttle', plus a ksplash theme to match it
[01:32] <apokryphos> and current splash is LoveKDE -- seriously very nice
[01:32] <nikkia> i basically wrote the ksplash theme from scratch, started off with one i dl'ed, thinking it'd just be tweaking, but after replacing the background, then completely rewriting the Theme.rc, i realised i'd basically made a new theme :P
[01:33] <apokryphos> nikkia: heh. Shuttle KDM theme... pretty nice. Not sure about the whole login box there; a little odd.
[01:34] <nikkia> apokryphos: it (the login box) doesn't look too bad
[01:35] <nikkia> working thru the deps for rezound now :/
[01:38] <apokryphos> nikkia: you do enjoy it all, don't you ;-)
[01:39] <_carlos> hello!
[01:39] <_carlos> mi first time in this, jeje :p
[01:39] <_carlos> greetings from Venezuela (y)
[01:39] <apokryphos> _carlos: hi carlos :)
[01:40] <_carlos> how r u?
[01:40] <_carlos> where r u from apoklkacsbkjcas
[01:40] <_carlos> ?
[01:40] <apokryphos> nikkia: have you tried out the moodin engine? Wondering what's "heavily customizable" about it.. will install it now actually.
[01:40] <apokryphos> _carlos: I'm excellent, thanks. From London here. And yourself?
[01:40] <nikkia> apokryphos: it looked like too much work
[01:41] <apokryphos> _carlos: you can use TAB for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC. i.e.  _car-<tab>
[01:41] <_carlos> oh! thanks apokryphos <- OH! so usefull
[01:41] <apokryphos> =)
[01:42] <_carlos> i'm from Venezuela ! me and some friends are organizating an event for this august 16, the debian day
[01:42] <nikkia> apokryphos: otherwise, i got my release done at 12:30, and spent the rest of the afternoon pretending to work while actually writing some audio CDs for my mum
[01:42] <_carlos> hello nikkia
[01:43] <_carlos> r u actually a girl?
[01:43] <apokryphos> nikkia: :)
[01:43] <nikkia> hi _carlos, yes, thanks
[01:43] <_carlos> wow
[01:43] <apokryphos> _carlos: cool, how is it over there?
[01:43] <_carlos> how did u get into linux, a boyfriend wasn't it?
[01:43] <goldfish> asl?
[01:43] <apokryphos> hahaha
[01:43] <goldfish> wanna go cam2cam ? aslplz.
[01:43] <apokryphos> nikkia: you always have this affect on guys? ;-)
[01:43] <_carlos> ejeje, Here is GREAT, i love it, i live in San Cristobal, next to the Andes Mountains
[01:44] <goldfish> :)
[01:44] <goldfish> of course.
[01:44] <apokryphos> ;-)
[01:44] <_carlos>  TIMER
[01:44] <_carlos> 
[01:44] <_carlos>  LOAD
[01:44] <_carlos>  Reload
[01:44] <_carlos>  source
[01:44] <_carlos>  tcl
[01:44] <_carlos>  reloadall
[01:44] <_carlos> oooooooops, sis i wrote that?
[01:44] <nikkia> _carlos: no, actually, it was the owner of a company i wanted to buy a commercial UNIX system off, that got me into linux
[01:44] <apokryphos> _carlos: my parents are going there soon. Doing a whole tour of South America. Extended 25th anniversairy :)
[01:45] <nikkia> he suggested that rather than spend $700 on their unix, i'd be better off trying linux, since i was a student at the time
[01:45] <apokryphos> nikkia: ever tried out *bsd?
[01:46] <nikkia> apokryphos: yeah, ran freebsd for a year or two
[01:46] <nikkia> apokryphos: it was BSDI that i was considering buying when i was recommended to try linux :)
[01:47] <apokryphos> nikkia: A few people on the doc team are implicitly echoing the glories of it. Might try it soon.
[01:47] <nikkia> woo, all deps satisfied!
[01:47] <apokryphos> heh, cool.
[01:48] <nikkia> apokryphos: well, when i ran it, i kept running into the problem that things written primarily for linux wouldn't work right in freebsd
[01:48] <Firetech> apokryphos: the moodin engine is really nice
[01:48] <Firetech> oops, backlogged
[01:48] <Firetech> read the logs
[01:48] <apokryphos> nikkia: that seems to be the main popular criticism. They said that it wasn't really the case, and that the repos are huge for it
[01:48] <nikkia> apokryphos: for example, it was around E15 time, and they'd just added transparency (the faked kind), but whenever you used it, it would coredump X :)
[01:49] <apokryphos> heh
[01:50] <nikkia> apokryphos: another time, i remember upgrading imlib because the 'official' version was about a year and a half old, and it broke *everything*
[01:50] <nikkia> i think i finally gave up on it around the time they claimed it was going to be 3-4 years before the next major kernel release, because they couldn't get enough people to work on it
[01:51] <apokryphos> Firetech: cool. Any idea of the executable name?
[01:51] <apokryphos> heh
[01:52] <apokryphos> kind of wondering how you're meant to actually move the kmenu to anywhere
[01:52] <Firetech> apokryphos: aren't some example themes included?
[01:52] <apokryphos> Firetech: sure, but how do I open *the* engine?
[01:52] <Firetech> engine="moodin" in Theme.rc?
[01:55] <apokryphos> Firetech: heh, I was understanding the program all wrong, thanks.
[01:55] <Firetech> ...
[01:55] <Firetech> np
[01:56] <Firetech> I got a little confused about your questions :P
[01:57] <Firetech> damn backports
[01:57] <apokryphos> Heh, I thought it was something quite different, but yeah -- it looks cool. THEMEOPTIONS -- very handy.
[01:57] <Surfdue_> hey
[01:58] <Firetech> updates to wine removed libwine-print, wine-doc and winesetuptk
[01:58] <Surfdue_> i have a wlan ethernet card, when i enable it in kde network settings it immediatly disables my wireless network has an encryption code is there some kind of log i can see if its an invalid encryption or etc?
[02:00] <ttrocal> Hello, I just installed Kubuntu and KDE is giving me errors such as the following for various config files: Will not save configuration./Configuration file "/home/flip/.kde/share/config/kaccessrc" not writable./Please contact your system administrator.
[02:00] <Firetech> gnite guys.
[02:00] <Surfdue_> night firetech
[02:00] <apokryphos> 'night
[02:00] <Surfdue_> it be nice if anyone knew how to help me or could
[02:00] <Surfdue_> please
[02:00] <apokryphos> ttrocal: what are you trying to do, there?
[02:01] <ttrocal> I get that when I start KDE and when starting certain apps.
[02:01] <ttrocal> So I want to not get it.
[02:01] <apokryphos> odd
[02:01] <apokryphos> I'd compile a bug report
[02:02] <ttrocal> Hmmm...  do you have a thought on what might be causing this?
[02:02] <nikkia> that sounds a lot like a case of running X sudo'ed
[02:02] <apokryphos> ttrocal: what version of KDE are you running?
[02:02] <ttrocal> This is a brand new installation of Kubuntu 5.04
[02:03] <nikkia> ttrocal: if you just installed, you have little to lose by doing 'sudo rm -R .kde' from your home directory
[02:03] <Firetech> ttrocal: fire up a terminal and type "ls -l /home/flip/.kde/share/config/kaccessrc"
[02:03] <Surfdue_> does noone know naything about wlan drivers?
[02:03] <Surfdue_> wlan
[02:03] <Surfdue_> i mean
[02:03] <Surfdue_> ethernet pcmicia
[02:03] <ttrocal> ls: /home/flip/.kde/share/config/kaccessr: No such file or directory
[02:03] <frank> c
[02:04] <Firetech> ttrocal: "ls -l  /home/flip/.kde" then?
[02:04] <frank> kaccessrc
[02:04] <frank> wrong filename
[02:04] <Firetech> ttrocal: ignore the second command
[02:05] <Mez> nikkia, you still here?
[02:05] <nikkia> Mez, yes
[02:05] <ttrocal> -rw-------  1 root root 91 2005-07-28 19:16 /home/flip/.kde/share/config/kaccessrc
[02:05] <apokryphos> heh
[02:05] <frank> there is your problem
[02:05] <Mez> nikkia, do you respond to /msg's at all ?
[02:05] <Firetech> ttrocal: "ls -la  /home/flip/.kde" (just paste the FIRST line)
[02:05] <nikkia> Mez, not when i'm running irssi and don't see them, no
[02:05] <apokryphos> ttrocal: try doing what nikkia said, I'd say.
[02:05] <frank> chown recursive home
[02:05] <Mez> ah, irssi, hehe :D
[02:06] <nikkia> mez, don't have kvirc built yet
[02:06] <nikkia> mez, and i noticed the pending window NOW anyway :P
[02:06] <frank> ttrocal: did you start kde as root or something?
[02:06] <Mez> lol
[02:06] <Mez> fair enough :d
[02:07] <Firetech> ttrocal: hmm, to fix it, type "chown -r `whoami`.`whoami` ~"
[02:07] <Mez> so, you've got my previouse message now
[02:08] <apokryphos> Firetech: option has to be uppercase, I think
[02:08] <ttrocal> Alright, I chowned everything and that seemed to work.  Unless I get that error again, I guess it's fixed!  Thanks guys!
[02:08] <nikkia> Mez, yes, i've seen it now :P
[02:08] <frank> I don't have this kaccessrc file at all though, I wonder where it comes from
[02:08] <Firetech> ttrocal: change -r to -R
[02:08] <ttrocal> Firetech: way ahead of you ;)
[02:08] <Firetech> apokryphos: I just thought of that...
[02:08] <Firetech> ttrocal: okidoki, that's good...
[02:08] <Firetech> Now, good night...
[02:10] <apokryphos> Really wondering how those were made/had root permissions, if it's a fresh install. Weird.
[02:15] <Firetech> apokryphos: running some kde-programs with sudo breaks things...
[02:15] <Firetech> I've had that problem with kwrite
[02:15] <apokryphos> would it really alter things like that, though?
[02:16] <Firetech> might do.
[02:16] <apokryphos> I don't think sudo <GUIapp> is supported at all; quite a few still crash
[02:16] <apokryphos> kate doesn't run at all
[02:16] <nikkia> apokryphos: this is why i always suggest kdesu
[02:16] <apokryphos> yup
[02:16] <nikkia> right, after some serious hand holding, that's rezound compiled :P
[02:16] <apokryphos> Should actually mention this to the kudos guy, too, when he comes back.
[02:16] <Firetech> apokryphos: if you change any setting in that <GUIapp>, the rc file will be owned y root.
[02:16] <Firetech> *by
[02:17] <Surfdue_> anyone know about ethernet pcmcia cards?
[02:17] <apokryphos> interesting
[02:17] <nikkia> it even runs!!
[02:17] <Firetech> at least that's what I think
[02:18] <nikkia> Firetech: its even more evil than that
[02:18] <Firetech> ubuntu has an advantage on that front. most Gnome programs can run with sudo without breaking stuff... I mostly use gedit for GUI editing (nano otherwise)
[02:18] <nikkia> Firetech: *if* that GUI app is the first app to use KDE features that are configurable, then it will conceivably create the defaults as root
[02:19] <Firetech> nikkia: and that is heaven, ain't it? ;)
[02:20] <frank> Surfdue_: sorry I don't know
[02:21] <nikkia> right, thats probably a good place to take a break for the night i think
[02:22] <nikkia> apokryphos: btw, the fruits of my audio setup: '0 (6) XRUNs detected' in umm, 3 hours of playing mp3s while compiling/installing :)
[02:24] <apokryphos> nikkia: heh, I wish I knew what that meant. :)
[02:24] <nikkia> apokryphos: an XRUN is a 'glitch', afaict there are 2 kinds, fatal ones where the audio frame is lost, and non-fatal ones where the sync is missed slightly
[02:26] <apokryphos> nikkia: none at all? Sweet. Music, what's your poison? (love the way I turned that round from wine, eh? I am indeed the Lord of Language)
[02:26] <nikkia> apokryphos: well, 6 non-fatal ones
[02:26] <apokryphos> oh, that's what that means.
[02:26] <nikkia> which is probably about 50mS worth of hiccups over 3 hours :)
[02:27] <nikkia> its all because jack is running under the realtime-lsm
[02:27] <apokryphos> nikkia: Lindows/Linspire runs root by default? 
[02:27] <nikkia> apokryphos: as i remember it, yes
[02:27] <apokryphos> :|
[02:28] <nikkia> i imagine thats why they get away with using jack... because they don't have to run users
[02:28] <nikkia> but you can do what i did, and setup user accounts to have access to realtime-lsm :)
[02:28] <apokryphos> Seems to ruin half the point fo running a Linux system, to me at least.
[02:28] <sproingie> i think linspire has "restricted users" now
[02:29] <sproingie> which always gets me.  who wants to be "restricted"?
[02:29] <frank> apokryphos: yes it does. If it were as popular as Windows, it would as much of  a death trap
[02:29] <nikkia> apokryphos: as for my 'poison' when it comes to music, its a mix, in the last hour or so its gone thru Jarre, Alaska, Pink Floyd, Vai, Dream Theater, Faith No More, and Vangelis
[02:30] <sproingie> i remember lindows ripping off some guy's art for their website without any attribution
[02:30] <Surfdue_> :(
[02:30] <sproingie> then their juvenile and stupid Doors filk
[02:30] <sproingie> the whole company just reeks of asinine shenanigans
[02:30] <nikkia> anyway, bedtime
[02:30] <nikkia> night all
[02:30] <apokryphos> 'night nikkia 
[02:31] <sproingie> $$$
[02:31] <sproingie> i can't begrudge anyone the profit motive
[02:31] <sproingie> they just strike me as particularly inept to do it
[02:32] <apokryphos> heh, indeed.
[02:32] <apokryphos> only $49.95
[02:32] <apokryphos> I think they've acknowledged that they're not able to do what Windoze can, just yet.
[02:32] <sproingie> founded by the founder of the wildly successful mp3.com
[02:33] <sproingie> remember mp3.com?  me neither
[02:33] <apokryphos> heh. I'm sure it gets loads of visitors thinking... hey, where do people get these mp3 thingimagigies from -- aha! mp3.com
[02:34] <apokryphos> kind of a shame that the ultra-user-friendly-Linux should be a paid one, though.
[02:34] <sproingie> it almost has to be
[02:34] <sproingie> someone's gotta be paid to do all the grunt work of working on it
[02:35] <Surfdue_> no o ne can help with my problem?
[02:35] <apokryphos> Yup, they have all the signs. A "flash intro"
[02:35] <frank> apokryphos: well their click and run thing is closed source and based on apt but you can also buy commercial software with it. (yearly fee though so you keep on paying but you never have to buy software in a store)
[02:35] <apokryphos> haha, ultra corniness
[02:35] <sproingie> oh yeah, of course the fact that the guy went to bat to call the product *Lindows* of all things
[02:36] <sproingie> that put the most sour taste in my mouth
[02:36] <sproingie> really solidified the popular impression that linux was a cheap plastic windows knockoff
[02:36] <apokryphos> all these flashing pieces of text... "Linux".. "Kernel" wow! KDE 3.3!!
[02:36] <apokryphos> frank: hah, interesting.
[02:36] <Surfdue_> helllo
[02:37] <Surfdue_> i guess no one knows pcmica cards and kde
[02:37] <apokryphos> Surfdue_: for issues like that it's worth trying #ubuntu
[02:37] <Surfdue_> why it disables
[02:37] <Surfdue_> ok
[02:37] <apokryphos> I'd view that whole flash intro again if I had time ;-)
[02:38] <frank> apokryphos: but the running as root thing is horrible. only since I've running linux do I realise how bad that is in Windows too!
[02:38] <apokryphos> how popular is it exactly?
[02:38] <frank> linspire? I don't know.
[02:39] <apokryphos> 20th, there.
[02:39] <frank> I know the company has about 50 employees
[02:39] <Surfdue_> apokryphos,  what flash intro
[02:39] <Surfdue_> :P
[02:39] <apokryphos> http://images.linspire.com/linspire5.0intro4-8-6.swf
[02:39] <sproingie> oh yeah, linspire comes with something called "hot words"
[02:40] <sproingie> which appears to be a TopText like thing right in the browser
[02:40] <sproingie> yay, first linux to SHIP with adware
[02:40] <frank> they do have a native version of wmv 8 and 9 though (licensed from microsoft)
[02:40] <sproingie> they filed the serial numbers off firefox and call it "Linspire Internet Suite"
[02:41] <apokryphos> oh my, there's a whole http://media.linspire.com/howto/kiosk.swf thing too. 8)
[02:41] <sproingie> actually looks like seamonkey, not firefox.  my mistake
[02:41] <frank> sproingie: GPL lets you do that
[02:41] <sproingie> frank: that doesn't mean it's ethical
[02:42] <Surfdue_> dont they have to give linspire fro free
[02:42] <Surfdue_> they are charginf for linux!
[02:42] <Surfdue_> isnt that illegal!!
[02:43] <sproingie> so go throw bob young in the clink
[02:43] <frank> Surfdue_: no its not and they have a bunch of stuff in there that they have to pay for to put in, so they have to charge
[02:43] <Surfdue_> :P
[02:43] <Surfdue_> i herd the source is free
[02:43] <Surfdue_> hwere is it ;P
[02:43] <sproingie> my beef with linspire is mostly their shady history, which colors my current perceptions
[02:44] <frank> Surfdue_: You can go start selling ubuntu CDs for as much as you want totally legally
[02:44] <apokryphos> For me it wouldn't so much bother me that it's a shady business, but that it's representing Linux, and doing such things
[02:44] <sproingie> i suspect as they get more successful, they're becoming a bit more professional
[02:44] <apokryphos> frank: I can send you a signed one for only $10
[02:44] <sproingie> i still think redhat has 'em beat in terms of talent and professionalism
[02:44] <frank> apokryphos: oh yes, I'll take 5!
[02:45] <apokryphos> frank: will Kubuntu ones do instead? I only have 2 Ubuntu ones
[02:45] <apokryphos> frank: also, it's $20 extra for them *all* to be signed
[02:46] <frank> sproingie: I tried it for a few hours, and it is stupidly easy to use. People who use, can probably avoid the shell completely as long as everything they need is in click and run
[02:46] <sproingie> frank: that's a good thing. is it still root by default?
[02:46] <tikka> hi
[02:47] <Surfdue_> my sound works but in VLC playey my sound dosnt work :
[02:47] <frank> root by default, yes, which is the worst thing about it. In the installation, it does suggest to setup a user to improve security though
[02:47] <Surfdue_> why
[02:47] <sproingie> frank: that's *awesomely* irresponsible
[02:47] <apokryphos> Ubu seems to be somewhere in between extreme like Linspire and, say, Gentoo
[02:47] <sproingie> it goes to engineering talent or lack thereof
[02:48] <apokryphos> they're Debian really at heart, but they're aiming for the masses, too.
[02:48] <sproingie> i wonder how much linspire gets from the walmart cd's
[02:48] <frank> sproingie: IT is just wrong. all of the stuff that is in /home/username goes to /root instead which is horrible to see. you have an empty /home!
[02:48] <Surfdue_> lol
[02:48] <sproingie> gotta say, if you're a software maker, wal-mart is about as good a deal as you can get
[02:48] <sproingie> if you actually have any marginal cost tho, dealing with walmart is a kiss of death
[02:49] <sproingie> it's like dealing with microsoft, only you're *sure* to get screwed
[02:50] <Surfdue_> ight
[02:50] <sproingie> frank: aside from dotfiles and dotdirs, my home is usually empty to start with also.  but wow, root everywhere, how revolting
[02:50] <JayParadise> can linux only have sound coming out of one app at  a time? lately ive been stuck in silence cus of dead processes
[02:50] <sproingie> JayParadise: no, you use a mixer like esd or arts
[02:50] <sproingie> gnome uses esd, kde uses arts
[02:51] <JayParadise> cus kaffeine or whatever will tell me the device is being used by another application yet i hear nothing
[02:51] <sproingie> speaking of arts, why won't mine upgrade?  it's *still* missing the libarts dependency
[02:51] <sproingie> JayParadise: actually i think that error's bogus.  you probably just don't have access to the device
[02:51] <sproingie> i forget the "correct" way to fix that
[02:52] <sproingie> easy way is chmod 666 /dev/dsp
[02:53] <JayParadise> then i can have multiple audio playing? if so nice
[02:53] <JayParadise> not that i need that
[02:53] <sproingie> well you'll probably have to restart arts
[02:54] <JayParadise> but i wont have to watch another movie with both kaffeine and totem again, lol.
[02:54] <sproingie> or maybe just kmixer actually
[02:54] <frank> lol
[02:54] <sproingie> not sure which level kde tries to access it at
[02:54] <JayParadise> totems video was choppy kaffeiene had no sound so i had to sync up
[02:54] <sproingie> actually i have the same no sound problem in kaffiene with several codecs
[02:55] <sproingie> i think it's a codec problem
[02:55] <sproingie> sound in ubuntu is seriously a problem, it's gotta be the #1 faq around here
[02:55] <sproingie> i havent any speakers or phones on this computer in months except when booted to windows to play games
[02:55] <frank> it is... I was lucky and have no problems but I did when using amd64
[02:56] <sproingie> since all PC games are starting to become bland and homogeneous, i wondered why i was wasting my money on PC games now
[02:57] <sproingie> i'm not gonna get planescape torment on the PS2 or anything, but at least i can sit on the couch while i play
[02:58] <JayParadise> i havent played any decent games since i sold the ps2
[02:58] <JayParadise> i'll get ps3 though
[02:58] <sproingie> i'll probably get an xbox 360 and thanks to microsoft, i won't have any need for windows any more
[02:58] <tikka> JayParadise, you should try some linux games :D
[02:58] <sproingie> isn't that ironic?
[02:58] <tikka> they kick the ps2 in the ass
[02:58] <tikka> hehe
[02:58] <tikka> Gnome Robots its cool
[02:58] <tikka> :D
[02:58] <JayParadise> will that be out by xmas?
[02:59] <JayParadise> lol
[02:59] <JayParadise> i have doom
[02:59] <JayParadise> i get my ass kicked within 5 minutes everytime though
[02:59] <sproingie> hm. there's actually one console rpg i've ever liked with good acting and all.  more of an action/stealth game tho
[02:59] <sproingie> beyond good and evil.  amazing voice acting, even if the game's a little bit silly 
[03:00] <JayParadise> nice quake2 finaly installed correctly
[03:00] <JayParadise> its in the menu
[03:00] <JayParadise> spoke too soon
[03:01] <JayParadise> wont load
[03:01] <sproingie> i can't do fps's anymore
[03:02] <sproingie> i remember playing system shock 2, game scared the bejeezuz out of me
[03:03] <JayParadise> i need ram
[03:03] <JayParadise> 512 isn't enough these days
[03:03] <sproingie> doom was "open door, 1-2 zombies jump out behind you.  six shots each, turn around, repeat.  yawn"
[03:06] <_drac> hey all, Im having trobule with kernel 2.6.12 detecting my SATA harddrives(in comibined mode, they are /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd), It sees my one IDE drive and my CD drive just not the two harddrives (one is linux), any idea why?
[03:08] <dutch> evening :)
[03:09] <_drac> Hey Dutch
[03:14] <jake1> anyone here able to help me with compiling a KDE app
[03:14] <jake1> please
[03:15] <_drac> which, jake1 
[03:15] <jake1> seemingly i have a terminal error output message
[03:15] <jake1> wlassistant-0.5.1
[03:15] <jake1> a wireless assistant application
[03:15] <_drac> Whats the error?
[03:17] <jake1> the output says "configure: error C++ preprocessor "/libb/cpp" fails sanity check
[03:17] <jake1> "
[03:17] <jake1> and i am not sure if i need to send it to some phsyciatric ward or if there are drugs i can give it to make it sane
[03:18] <jake1> _drac any suggestions?
[03:19] <jake1> :-\
[03:19] <jake1> i take it that there are no suggestions
[03:24] <jake1> :-\
[03:26] <Jet2k5> Hello.  I have Ubuntu Hoary installed, and I'm about to dowload the ' kubuntu-desktop' package.  I heard the Kubuntu is sorta buggy, but besides the servers that I have in my current /etc/apt/sources.list do I need to add any other for updates?
[03:30] <tech> aanyone expirience Xorg locking up and taking 100% cpu? it just happens randomly. i run latest kubuntu the latest ubuntu nvidia driver package. my videocard is nvidia geforce 6600 AGP.
[03:48] <jake1> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your ins tallation and add the correct paths!
[03:48] <jake1> ???
[03:48] <jake1> what do i do?
[03:50] <jake1> hello???
[03:56] <frank> jake1: compiling? you need xorg-dev or something like that
[03:57] <jake1> xorg-dev?
[03:57] <frank> are you comiling something?
[03:57] <frank> compiling*
[03:57] <jake1> yes frank
[03:58] <jake1> it started the ./configure
[03:58] <jake1> but the last message i got said "checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your ins tallation and add the correct paths!
[03:58] <jake1> "
[03:58] <jake1> i have xorg-common installed
[03:59] <jake1> and xorg-driver-synaptics, xserver-xorg
[03:59] <frank> probably you need x-dev
[03:59] <jake1> apt-get install x-dev?
[04:00] <frank> yeah
[04:00] <frank> what are you compiling?
[04:01] <Jeezis> hmm, is there a good kde applet to monitor my network connection?
[04:01] <frank> or maybe its libx11-dev I don't really know
[04:05] <TestMAD> lets hope you told him the right one huh frank?
[04:05] <TestMAD> heh
[04:06] <frank> hope so!
[04:24] <TestMAD> i was jsut reading an interview with leo laporte..and he said that he sees an open source OS overtaking M$ and that it wont be linux.
[04:25] <TestMAD> kinda makes you think..whats in future
[04:27] <frank> TestMAD: what an OS that doesn't exist yet? that will take some time!
[04:27] <TestMAD> yea..
[04:27] <JadeFire> when I use amroK to connect to an inernet stream it freezes
[04:27] <TestMAD> but..it lets the imagination run wild tho doesnt it
[04:29] <TestMAD> i dont think it could happen for a few years..but i do think that M$ is past its prime
[04:30] <TestMAD> i know its just a pipe dream..but an os that could support mac,win,and linux would rock
[04:32] <jake1> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[04:32] <jake1> So, check this please and use another prefix!
[04:32] <jake1> wtf mate
[04:34] <TestMAD> frank: heres a link to the article if you want to read it.
[04:34] <TestMAD> http://www.madpenguin.org/cms/html/62/4791.html
[04:35] <frank> thanks
[04:36] <JadeFire> when I use AmroK to connect to an inernet stream it freezes how do i solve this
[04:36] <JadeFire> ?
[04:37] <JadeFire> anybody
[04:37] <JadeFire> ?
[04:39] <JadeFire> ?
[04:40] <JadeFire> :-(
[04:52] <TestMAD> frank: i just hope that whatever changes comealong..im not too old to keep up
[05:17] <Jet2k5> pax: ok, where can I find the option to control my sound through my volume keys on my keyboard, in gnome they are under keyboard shortcuts, but I can't find them on KDE
[05:18] <pax> oh boy, nothing under kcontrol?
[05:18] <Jet2k5> not that I can see
[05:20] <pax> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultimediaKeys
[05:20] <Jet2k5> I know how it works in gnome
[05:20] <Jet2k5> but isn't there a front end nice GUI for it?
[05:21] <pax> I'm not sure dude, give #kde a shot, I never use any multimedia keys
[05:21] <Jet2k5> k
[05:22] <Jet2k5> thanks anyway, I don't feel like setting up xbindkey just for that :P
[05:33] <hippie> how to delete only one package?
[05:39] <ttrocal> Hello, I'm getting an error while trying to configure kdar for installation: checking for libz... configure: error: not found.          Possibly configure picks up an outdated version          installed by XFree86. Remove it from your system.          Check your installation and look into config.log
[05:40] <Jeezis> hrm, anyone here have any thoughts on why my amd athlon xp-m, which should be 1.79 ghz, is only shown as 530mhz?
[05:40] <ttrocal> 'locate libz' finds /usr/lib/libz.so.1 and /usr/lib/libz.so.1.2.2
[05:40] <frank> Jeezis: powernowd slows it down but it will go faster when you need it
[05:41] <frank> ttrocal: you need the -dev package
[05:41] <frank> ttrocal: like libz-dev or something
[05:42] <Jeezis> frank: will it still show it at only 530mhz in /dev/proc because of powernowd?
[05:42] <frank> yeah
[05:42] <ttrocal> I installed libx11-dev already. libz doesn't seem to be a package.
[05:42] <Jeezis> ok, thanks a lot, i just wanted to make sure there wasn't something wrong
[05:42] <TestMAD> frank: did you read that article? what did you think of it?
[05:43] <frank> TestMAD: well its pretty vague, and I just skimmed over it. He just says that some unix-like opensource OS will take alot of market share from Microsoft
[05:43] <frank> TestMAD: he doesn't know which one
[05:44] <TestMAD> i thnik he has a good point about user interface design tho
[05:45] <ttrocal> Oh, looks like libz was part of the package 'zlib'.  Got that taken care of, but not I'm getting another configure error.
[05:45] <frank> TestMAD: What he says about the decline of Microsoft is true though. They try to improve security for Longhorn but that would break alot of old apps so they are stuck between a rock and a hard place
[05:45] <cs378> god i am startin to hate KDE, can i FULLY change it to gnome
[05:45] <frank> ttrocal: good
[05:46] <frank> cs378: I like kde better
[05:46] <TestMAD> yea..vista is supposed to be an attempt to get away from using the registry..(i wonder where they got that idea from..was it /etc?..hehe) but they're still going to use a virtual registry
[05:46] <frank> cs378: you mean install gnome?
[05:46] <cs378> frank: im havin error on the kcontrol
[05:46] <cs378> frank: yea install gnome
[05:47] <frank> install ubuntu-desktop
[05:47] <cs378> thats all i do?
[05:47] <cs378> after that, itll boot up with gnome?
[05:48] <TestMAD> frank: if you install gnome in kubuntu..will it give you a choice for what to use for your session?
[05:48] <frank> you will have the choice when you click session before logging in
[05:48] <cs378> ohhh
[05:48] <cs378> so if i log in with gnome, i get the same start menu as in kde right?
[05:49] <frank> cs378: well the programs from both are pretty mixed up in the menu, they're pretty much all there
[05:50] <cs378> so, the differance between kde n gnome is its theme and the system control panel
[05:50] <frank> cs378: no there are alot more differences
[05:50] <frank> cs378: its a whole desktop environment
[05:51] <pax> frank
[05:51] <frank> yeah?
[05:51] <cs378> frank: i think ill do both, i heard gnome has less error
[05:51] <pax> you use ff?
[05:52] <frank> cs378: maybe... I have kde 3.4.2 and things rarely fuck up
[05:52] <frank> pax yeah I use it
[05:52] <pax> do you know how to remove a theme manualy?
[05:52] <frank> what do you mean? just change it
[05:53] <frank> or do you want to delete it?
[05:53] <pax> the darn thing would start with this theme installed
[05:53] <pax> not*
[05:53] <frank> oh its not starting at all?
[05:54] <pax> nop, I gotta find away to delete just the theme not the entire profile
[05:54] <arcanistherogue> hey, has anyone installed UT2004 on linux?
[05:54] <arcanistherogue> I am having an error
[05:54] <cs378> frank: u kno when u go into kcontrol n Administrator Mode <-- this thing was never works
[05:55] <Kovecses> arcanistherogue, are u using cedega
[05:55] <arcanistherogue> no
[05:55] <arcanistherogue> im doing the native install
[05:55] <arcanistherogue> with this linux-install.sh
[05:55] <frank> cs378: ok I never had this problem but I heard of it
[05:55] <frank> cs378: just update to the newest kde
[05:55] <frank> cs378:  It probably will fix it
[05:56] <frank> cs378: look at the topic
[05:56] <cs378> frank: i think i should have to newest kde, this is my 3rd day usin linux
[05:56] <cs378> haha
[05:56] <cs378> frank: i know, i searched the forum, followed the step, but still don work, oh well, im newbie, i guess i don need much
[05:56] <frank> look at the topic here
[05:56] <cs378> frank: only works when i openin console: sudo kcontrol
[05:57] <delltony> question: anyone know of a chm reader for kde? i have tried xchm for x but for some reason the chm file i have will not work with xchm :(
[05:57] <frank> pax themes are treated as extensions
[05:57] <pax> frank: safe mode did it, sometimes I just can't think :)
[05:57] <frank> look in  ~/.mozilla/firefox/k47o56pw.default/extensions
[05:58] <pax> frank
[05:58] <pax> it's all fixed
[05:58] <frank> ok
[05:58] <frank> delltony: I don't know
[05:59] <frank> arcanistherogue: I installed the UT2004 demo....
[05:59] <delltony> thanksk
[05:59] <arcanistherogue> frank: well it has to do with the discs, i dont think you would know that....im having na  error
[06:00] <frank> was the installer on the disk?
[06:02] <hippie> can help me?
[06:03] <frank> ask away
[06:03] <dell500> how do you get rar files to work?
[06:04] <frank> dell500: install rar its in multiverse
[06:04] <hippie> how to remove only one package?
[06:04] <frank> hippie in synaptic?
[06:04] <dell500> frank, thanks
[06:04] <arcanistherogue> frank: no, it was off the disc, but i got it working
[06:04] <frank> ok
[06:05] <hippie> yes,utilize that but me soon when doing aptitude wants to me to install the packages again
[06:06] <frank> why do you need to uninstall it? and are you forcing the uninstall?
[06:07] <delltony> quick question compiling to do a deb and add to apt and all that good stuff isn't it ./configure  then make then checkinstall?
[06:08] <hippie> need unistall package for disk space
[06:09] <frank> well you can only uninstall packages that are not a dependancy for other ones
[06:09] <delltony> sure would be nice if the repostitory had the kde app of kchmviewer
[06:09] <frank> hippie: you can delete what is in /var/cache/apt/archives 
[06:10] <hippie> ok
[06:11] <delltony> what is lXext part of?
[06:12] <frank> delltony: what is that?
[06:12] <dell500> rar doesn't work that well
[06:12] <delltony>  ../chmlib-0.35/libchm.la -lqt-mt  -lz -lpng -lz -lm -lXext -lX11  -lSM -lICE -lpthread
[06:12] <delltony> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXext
[06:12] <delltony> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[06:12] <delltony> make[2] : *** [kchmviewer]  Error 1
[06:12] <delltony> make[2] : Leaving directory `/home/delltony/Desktop/kchmviewer-1.0/src'
[06:12] <delltony> make[1] : *** [all]  Error 2
[06:13] <hippie> 0 packages upgraded, 29 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded 
[06:13] <delltony> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/delltony/Desktop/kchmviewer-1.0/src'
[06:13] <delltony> make: *** [all-recursive]  Error 1
[06:13] <frank> delltony: don't flood like that
[06:13] <delltony> didn't mean to do that many lines
[06:13] <frank> dell500: how so?
[06:13] <delltony> how so what?
[06:14] <hippie> to install the packages again
[06:14] <frank> delltony: I was talking to the other dell
[06:14] <TestMAD> soemone needs to change thier nich for a bit
[06:14] <hippie> cant remove
[06:15] <dell500> frank, i try to get this file out of the archive and it errors everytime
[06:16] <frank> dell500: what is the error? maybe the archive is corrupted
[06:16] <frank> hippie you're not very clear
[06:17] <hippie> why?
[06:17] <dell500> frank, "The extraction operation failed.  Use "Detaisl" to view the last shell output."
[06:17] <dell500> Extracting  /home/dell500/america-boozers.img                            
[06:17] <dell500> Write error in the file /home/dell500/america-boozers.img [R] etry, [A] bort 
[06:17] <dell500> Write error in the file /home/dell500/america-boozers.img
[06:17] <dell500> Program aborted
[06:17] <dell500> sorry
[06:18] <frank> dell500: Is there room in there?
[06:18] <dell500> i think so
[06:18] <dell500> 60 gigs free space or so
[06:18] <TestMAD> its cus its an img
[06:18] <TestMAD> thats an iso
[06:18] <TestMAD> of sorts
[06:18] <frank> so?
[06:18] <TestMAD> mount it
[06:18] <TestMAD> then copy the file you want
[06:19] <frank> dell500: do you have a .rar or a .img?
[06:19] <dell500> a .img file is in the .rar
[06:19] <TestMAD> y not just use ark?
[06:19] <TestMAD> ive had noi problems with it doing rar
[06:21] <TestMAD> dell500: are you using sudo?
[06:22] <frank> dell500: you shouldn't need sudo for that
[06:22] <TestMAD> try it tho
[06:22] <TestMAD> never hurts
[06:22] <frank> dell500: are you using the user dell500 to do this?
[06:23] <dell500> ya
[06:24] <ttrocal> Hmm, I'm still trying to install KDar.  Now I get the following error during make:   -c -o archiveHandle.o `test -f 'archiveHandle.cpp' || echo './'`archiveHandle.cpp; \   then mv -f ".deps/archiveHandle.Tpo" ".deps/archiveHandle.Po"; \   else rm -f ".deps/archiveHandle.Tpo"; exit 1; \   fi   archiveHandle.cpp: In member function `libdar::crypto_algo     archiveHandle::queryCryptoAlgorithm()':   archiveHandle.cpp:222: error: 
[06:24] <ttrocal> `crypto_blowfish' undeclared in namespace `libdar
[06:25] <frank> dell500: you could try using the shell to see if it works.   rar x filename.rar
[06:25] <frank> ttrocal: I still don't have an answer for that one
[06:28] <dell500> worked
[06:28] <dell500> computer is lagging hardcore
[06:30] <TestMAD> this is off topic..but im wondering bout htis..has anyone figured out how to get peanutbutter onto the slice of bread w/o tearing the slice of bread up or smashing it flat?
[06:32] <pax> toast it
[06:33] <TestMAD> hot Pb&J??ewww
[06:34] <mike> hey
[06:34] <TestMAD> hi
[06:34] <mike> kubuntu room isn't as talkative as the ubuntu room
[06:34] <mike> ha
[06:35] <TestMAD> means theres less problems
[06:35] <TestMAD> hehe
[06:35] <TestMAD> j/k
[06:35] <mike> ha
[06:35] <mike> i was reading a tutorial on ubuntu making eterm on the background transparent
[06:35] <mike> not one for kubuntu though
[06:36] <TestMAD> wish i could help..
[06:36] <sproingie> i say, what's wrong with hot pb&j?
[06:36] <TestMAD> but im waiting for transparency in kde to get stable before i use it again.
[06:36] <dell500> how do you cp a dir with all it's contents?? cp -r ?
[06:36] <dell500> or something
[06:36] <TestMAD> sproingie: its nasty
[06:37] <sproingie> i find it tasty
[06:37] <sproingie> i always toast mine
[06:37] <sproingie> before putting the pb&j on, otherwise the toaster gets kinda messy ;)
[06:37] <TestMAD> a ham andcheese..yes..pb&j..no
[06:37] <sproingie> mmmmm
[06:38] <TestMAD> gettin hungry huh?
[06:39] <frank> pb&j?
[06:39] <sproingie> mmm
[06:40] <frank> ohhh pb&j  new acronym for me
[06:42] <TestMAD> when i cant smoke..i eat..bad habit..but thats just me..
[06:42] <TestMAD> better than biting my nails..like my wife
[06:42] <pax> people in some parts of the world starve to death, try to think about that next time you enjoy your peanutbutter :D
[06:43] <TestMAD> i love the peanutbutter..
[06:43] <TestMAD> i like peanutbutter fudge..
[06:43] <TestMAD> wich is hot
[06:43] <TestMAD> but not hotr jelly
[06:43] <TestMAD> it liquifies
[06:44] <TestMAD> turns into a tangy, syruppy goo...
[06:44] <TestMAD> and pax..i know about starving..
[06:44] <TestMAD> there was a point in my life where i lived off ketchup and mustard packets.
[06:46] <frank> TestMAD: did you see the movie Terminal?
[06:46] <frank> lol
[06:46] <TestMAD> no
[06:46] <TestMAD> i didnt
[06:46] <TestMAD> whats it about?
[06:46] <TestMAD> a hacker or someone dieing?
[06:46] <pax> frank .. great movie
[06:47] <frank> Tom Hanks is linving in an airport with no money. He eats ketchup/mustard and cracker sandwiches he can get for free
[06:47] <mike> hackers NEVER DIE
[06:47] <TestMAD> o..well atleast he was inside..
[06:47] <TestMAD> i was living in a park
[06:48] <frank> TestMAD: for real? by necissity?
[06:48] <TestMAD> got a big scar on my neck where i was attacked by a bunch of punk kids that tried to cut my throat.
[06:48] <pax> not only no money, he didnt speak the language, didnt have a country, couldn't leave the airport ..
[06:49] <TestMAD> that was a low point in my life..
[06:49] <frank> TestMAD: well I can imagine.... no I cannot, really
[06:49] <TestMAD> and no..it wasn't drug related either..just made bad decisions and had bad choice in ppl i called friends.
[06:49] <mike> anybody know how to set up bootsplash screens ?
[06:49] <pax> the funny part is when the airport director tells him ' right now, you don't have a country, technically you don't exist' haha
[06:50] <frank> pax: They filmed that movie in an airport around montreal that was built at great expense, never really used much and closed recently!
[06:50] <pax> wow
[06:50] <TestMAD> what a waste of money
[06:50] <pax> it looked like JFK
[06:51] <TestMAD> anyone here from canada?
[06:51] <frank> pax: exactly! Trudeau built it and had to exproriate a shit load of people and it never worked. And last year, they named the m,ain Montreal airport after him. Some people didn't like that
[06:51] <frank> frank I am,
[06:52] <TestMAD> is it true that if you have a broken leg or somehting you can just goto the hospital and get it taken care of fast and free..
[06:52] <TestMAD> but..
[06:52] <pax> quebequois don't care about federal money frank 
[06:53] <TestMAD> if you have cancer you might as well start planning the burial?
[06:53] <pax> yeah, everything is covered but dental
[06:53] <frank> pax: did you watch the gommery inquiery? the Qubequois sure did! It was like the OJ trial on RDI. On all the time for months!
[06:53] <pax> nah didnt
[06:54] <TestMAD> they wont let me in the country
[06:54] <frank> TestMAD: where are you from?
[06:54] <pax> man saint denis is the place to be, hot chicks :D
[06:54] <TestMAD> texas.
[06:54] <frank> criminal record?
[06:54] <TestMAD> i live in west virginia now..
[06:55] <TestMAD> and yes..
[06:55] <TestMAD> defferred..
[06:55] <TestMAD> felon
[06:55] <frank> ouch
[06:55] <dell500> is it possible to clear the cache of the open files dialog box, the pull down menu....
[06:55] <frank> dell500: in what program?
[06:55] <TestMAD> assault with a deadly weapon..from when i almost got my throat cut
[06:56] <dell500> kaffiene i think
[06:56] <TestMAD> i beat one of those kids down with a big stick and put him in the hospital
[06:56] <dell500> or even firefox
[06:56] <TestMAD> it was seld defense..but to the extreme i guess is how they saw it
[06:56] <frank> dell500: its in the settings for kaffeine
[06:56] <TestMAD> cus i could have stopped hitting him after he went down..but i didnt.
[06:57] <frank> TestMAD: but he tried to kill you. Not obious....
[06:57] <TestMAD> got 10 years deffered adjudication..
[06:57] <dell500> for when you goto File -> Open dialog box?
[06:57] <dell500> bad grammar...
[06:57] <frank> ah... no
[06:58] <TestMAD> if i ever goto alaska..ill have to fly or boat to it..cus i cant drive it now
[06:58] <TestMAD> which sucks..cus i would like to see B.C.
[06:59] <frank> dell500: you mean when you go open file?
[06:59] <frank> TestMAD: yeah BC is beautiful
[06:59] <dell500> frank, yes
[07:00] <frank> covering tracks.....? ok I know where it is, sec
[07:00] <frank> heh
[07:00] <dell500> :)
[07:00] <frank> rm ~/.kde/share/config/kaffeinerc
[07:02] <TestMAD> i hope that my taxes that i get back this year can go striaght to investing..
[07:02] <frank> TestMAD: how old are you?
[07:02] <TestMAD> gotta build that 40K residual income so i can move to New Zealand
[07:02] <TestMAD> 26
[07:03] <frank> When did you live in the park?
[07:03] <TestMAD> when i was 19
[07:04] <frank> ok, just curious
[07:04] <frank> :-)
[07:05] <TestMAD> didnt have family to goto either..mom lives in the psyche ward...dad didnt want me since i was born
[07:05] <TestMAD> had no place to goto
[07:05] <frank> man, that's harsh. You didn't get it easy
[07:05] <TestMAD> only over the past few years have me and my "father" been able to see eye to eye..
[07:06] <frank> I'm sure you have alot of stories to tell at a party
[07:06] <TestMAD> and my mom..she's still nuts..doesnt live in the psycheward anymore..but she's still crazy
[07:06] <TestMAD> not really..
[07:06] <TestMAD> not ones with happy endings anyways
[07:06] <frank> ok
[07:07] <TestMAD> the only thing i got going for me now..is my grfx business..and my wife and kids..
[07:07] <frank> That's alot more than I have.
[07:07] <TestMAD> after i hit bottom, i managed to pick myself up pretty quick with the help of the state of texas dept. of corrections
[07:07] <TestMAD> lol
[07:08] <frank> no wife, no kids, finishing studying something I found out I'm not really into
[07:08] <TestMAD> what you studying for?
[07:08] <frank> Physics
[07:08] <TestMAD> ahh..
[07:09] <TestMAD> i loved physics and chemistry in school.
[07:09] <TestMAD> my chem teacher called me the unabomber.
[07:09] <TestMAD> i blew up too many lab experiments
[07:09] <frank> It's still worthwhile but I want to do something different. I've been studying for way too long!
[07:10] <TestMAD> well..learn some programming and get  job with nvidia or ati.
[07:10] <TestMAD> develope thier physics processors
[07:10] <frank> yeah...
[07:10] <frank> that will probably go right on the graphics cards
[07:11] <TestMAD> i only just recently started my grfx co..so i still sit at home alot and depend on the wife for income..
[07:11] <frank> what do you do?
[07:11] <TestMAD> i dont like it..but she supports me in this
[07:11] <frank> that is very cool. 
[07:11] <TestMAD> phototouch up...web grfx..comercial grfx..signs..
[07:11] <TestMAD> shirts..
[07:11] <frank> My friend's girlfriend is a nurse and I call her his sugar momma
[07:11] <TestMAD> ive done a few cd covers for local bands in texas
[07:12] <frank> ok
[07:12] <TestMAD> heh..my wife is hoping to goto school this spring to be a P.A.
[07:12] <TestMAD> physicians assistant
[07:12] <frank> what is that?
[07:12] <TestMAD> right under a doctor.
[07:13] <frank> but not a nurse?
[07:13] <frank> like a technician of some sort?
[07:13] <TestMAD> if she went to school for another 1 or 2 after that she would be a doctor.
[07:13] <TestMAD> no..
[07:13] <TestMAD> she's above a practitioning nurse..
[07:13] <frank> I never really heard of that job
[07:13] <TestMAD> and below a doctor
[07:13] <frank> ok
[07:13] <TestMAD> after PA is MD
[07:14] <TestMAD> lets se..it goes..
[07:14] <TestMAD> CNA,MA,LVN,LPN,RN,PN,PA,MD
[07:14] <TestMAD> i think
[07:15] <frank> Where will she study? UT?
[07:15] <TestMAD> no..we live in west virginia now
[07:15] <frank> oh
[07:15] <TestMAD> fairmont state
[07:15] <frank> don't know that many universities in the US
[07:15] <TestMAD> we moved from houston..we had a neighbor get killed..
[07:15] <TestMAD> and we decided that was no place to raise kids..and moved to WV where her family was
[07:16] <frank> good move
[07:16] <TestMAD> houston is nice..if you have money..but if your lower to middle class..its not so great
[07:16] <TestMAD> and we were low class
[07:16] <TestMAD> id say we're up to middle now.
[07:17] <TestMAD> got a car..a crappy one though..and a house
[07:17] <frank> you bought the house?
[07:17] <TestMAD> bills are paid..foods in the fridge
[07:17] <TestMAD> yea
[07:17] <TestMAD> paid cash
[07:17] <frank> I'm a long way from settling down. 
[07:17] <TestMAD> it was only 12,000$
[07:18] <TestMAD> we used our savings and last years tax check to buy it.
[07:18] <TestMAD> got a loan from the bank..and fixed it up.
[07:18] <frank> cool
[07:18] <TestMAD> we might sell it about a year or 2 and move to another house here in the area.
[07:19] <frank> anyways I gotta go to bed. It was nice talking to you
[07:19] <TestMAD> sofar we spent the 12K to buy.. and the loan with interest is 6K..so..for 18K we got a house thats now valued at 32K..
[07:19] <TestMAD> good profit there
[07:19] <TestMAD> same here frank
[07:19] <TestMAD> nite
[07:19] <frank> gnit
[07:20] <TestMAD> hi nikkia
[07:37] <mike> anybody know when kubuntu ...6(?) is coming out?
[07:40] <paines> 6 ?
[07:40] <paines> you mean the next release
[07:41] <paines> about october I read in here yesterday
[07:46] <frank> mike: it will be 5.10 (oct 2005)
[07:47] <cs378> hi, i installed kubuntu, don kinda like kde, cuz of some error, can i start a new installation with ubuntu? (im at dual boot - dont wanna mess up my windows xp)
[07:47] <frank> cs378: just do the install again and tell the installer which partitions to use
[07:49] <cs378> frank: sup again, u told me the apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[07:50] <cs378> frank; i try to run the gnome, but got error, now i cant uninstlll it, oh well, my linux is a mess
[07:50] <cs378> thx
[07:58] <paines> wow
[07:58] <paines> i justed discovered that you can do sudo su
[07:58] <paines> and voila
[07:58] <paines> you are root
[07:58] <paines> no more need to sudo apt- etc ...
[07:58] <paines> yeah !
[08:12] <TestMAD> paines: you can also sudo -i
[08:14] <paines> indeed
[08:14] <paines> thx
[08:42] <Jet2k5> anybodies kopete broken?
[08:43] <saku_0> hi jet2k5 
[08:43] <saku_0> my kopete don't work 
[08:43] <saku_0> i don't know why 
[08:43] <Jet2k5> hmm :(
[08:43] <Jet2k5> mine either
[08:43] <Jet2k5> lol
[08:43] <saku_0> ;)
[08:43] <Jet2k5> I just found out
[08:44] <Jet2k5> this is odd, any devs on the case?
[08:44] <saku_0> this night i have just pass to have internet
[08:44] <saku_0> lol
[08:44] <Jet2k5> heh
[08:44] <Jet2k5> this sucks I was going to talk to like this really hot hot chick
[08:44] <frank> your right
[08:44] <frank> mine stopped working
[08:44] <Jet2k5> lol
[08:45] <Jet2k5> anybody else?
[08:45] <frank> Micro$oft is sneaky tonight
[08:45] <Jet2k5> who are the devs? if any in here?
[08:47] <frank> gaim still works
[08:48] <Jet2k5> bah, I haven't got gtk working yet
[08:48] <Jet2k5> so it looks very ugly
[08:51] <Jet2k5> well I wonder when devs are fixing it
[08:56] <ray_> anybody know how to change the background image for kdm?
[09:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> how do i get xmms to use artsd?
[09:35] <nikkia> BROKEN_LADDER: install the xmms-arts package, then select arts as the output plugin
[09:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> ahh
[09:45] <insanekane> hello all
[09:46] <nikkia> morning insanekane, thoreauputic 
[09:47] <insanekane> hello nikkia, thoreauputic 
[09:47] <thoreauputic> hi nikkia :)
[09:47] <thoreauputic> hi insanekane ] 
[09:47] <insanekane> :)
[09:49] <insanekane> Riddell: need freetype 2.1.9 for scribus 1.3 ... currently 2.1.7
[09:57] <bjv> ok, i notice 2 apps that ive aptgotten crash often.
[09:57] <bjv> 1, firefox, 2 gaim.
[09:57] <bjv> are there more stable versions?
[09:57] <bjv> what is the best solution here.
[10:03] <nikkia> wooohoo
[10:03] <nikkia> i did get paid this month
[10:04] <ilba7r> lol nikkia good for you
[10:13] <larf> hi
[10:15] <insanekane> nikkia: i just got paid this morning too
[10:16] <nikkia> insanekane: its always a bit of a gamble for us :P
[10:16] <insanekane> hehe nice one :)
[10:16] <nikkia> the CFO is a very lazy man :P
[10:16] <insanekane> haha
[10:17] <nikkia> one month noone got paid on time, 'because i couldn't be bothered to do the bank transfers on friday'
[10:17] <insanekane> LOL
[10:17] <insanekane> emm
[10:17] <insanekane> sorry
[10:18] <insanekane> it was funny though :)
[10:18] <paines> hrhr
[10:18] <nikkia> i got a free day off
[10:18] <insanekane> free day off ?
[10:18] <insanekane> of what ?
[10:18] <nikkia> i stormed into the office and told my boss 'now i'm gonna have to ****ing take a day off to pay my bills, because some tard can't do the pay on time and thus i can't do it on saturday'
[10:19] <insanekane> haha, good show :)
[10:19] <nikkia> so he told me i could take the monday off without it counting against my holidays
[10:21] <insanekane> only now did i get it ... it was (free (day off)) ... i thought it was ((free day) off) :P
[10:25] <nikkia> morning mez
[10:27] <nikkia> interesting...
[10:27] <Mez> morning nikkia
[10:28] <nikkia> mez, i'm watching bulldog mess my phone line up :P
[10:28] <Mez> lol
[10:28] <nikkia> 20 minutes ago, its outgoing number changed, now its gone back to my original number, but calling it doesn't connect
[10:30] <paines> hmmm
[10:30] <paines> i am missing to burn cua and bin files in k3b
[10:30] <paines> cua=cue
[10:31] <nikkia> paines: you need cdrdao
[10:31] <paines> nikkia: installed it
[10:31] <nikkia> paines: does it show up in k3b's programs list ?
[10:31] <paines> yep
[10:32] <ray_> hello
[10:32] <nikkia> hmmm
[10:32] <ray_> my other keyboard was all messed up
[10:33] <nikkia> paines: what error message does k3b give you when you try to select a cue file ?
[10:33] <ray_> does anybody know how too change the background in kdm?
[10:33] <paines> nikkia: forget. last time i used the dialog was diffrent. now you just use burn cd image and choose from the drop down menu cue/bni image
[10:33] <paines> didn't see that
[10:34] <ray_> anybody?
[10:34] <paines> ray_ kcontrol->system administration
[10:35] <paines> background
[10:35] <ray_> paines: try it it doesnt work
[10:35] <paines> ray_: you must be system admministrator for that
[10:35] <nikkia> ray, it doesn't work because you're using a KDM theme, and the background is only used after the login is done in that situation
[10:35] <ray_> paines: i know....doesnt work
[10:35] <paines> nikkia: thx, now it's burning
[10:36] <paines> ray_: strange
[10:36] <ray_> nikkia: you know any solution?
[10:36] <nikkia> paines: its not strange, it really does act like that, when KDM is using a theme, it only uses the background between the login having happened, and ksplash starting up
[10:37] <nikkia> ray, erm, a kubuntu-friendly one? no, not really, at a pinch, you can replace the background file for the KDM theme
[10:37] <ray_> there is a file to edit....but i dont know which one
[10:37] <nikkia> ray, or, slightly better, you can copy the kdm theme to a new name, and change it's background file, that way you're not overwriting any kubuntu files
[10:38] <ray_> nikkia: how do i do that?
[10:39] <ray_> gnome makes it so easy........kdm is bad
[10:39] <nikkia> ray, the themes are in /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes  
[10:39] <ray_> ok
[10:40] <nikkia> ray, if you cd to there, and do cp -a kubuntu kubuntu-new    then put your new background as background.png in the kubuntu-new directory...
[10:40] <ray_> o k i got ya
[10:40] <nikkia> then edit /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc  and change the Theme= line to point to your new theme
[10:41] <ray_> no i got a better idea
[10:41] <hettar> has anyone here manged to install the ATI drivers on ubuntu ?
[10:47] <Poromies> hettar: if you are using the default kernel, installing ati-drivers is as easy as: "sudo apt-get install xorg-fglrx-drivers"
[10:48] <Poromies> if not, like me, then you need to do some digging on various how-to's, webforums and guides :)
[10:52] <b3n_> hi
[10:53] <b3n_> i saw on the forums that there is quite some need for the kubuntu hoary powerpc dvd
[10:53] <b3n_> everyone including me is stuck at 72.1% on bittorrent, could someone who has the dvd start uploading it on bittorrent?
[10:54] <b3n_> i would be happy to put the dvd image on my ubuntu/kubuntu dvd image mirror at http://nginyang.uvt.nl
[10:55] <b3n_> it is the kubuntu-5.04-dvd-powerpc.iso file
[10:58] <nikkia> insanekane: using jack for all audio is remarkable...
[10:58] <torz> mmm my amd64 iso seems to not boot
[10:58] <torz> weird
[10:58] <nikkia> insanekane: i have java eating 600MB of my swap and my system performance at a crawl, yet still beep->jack is still only using 2% cpu and playing flawlessly
[10:58] <hettar> Poromies: I need the newer drivers for my card. I found  howto though so Hopefully it will all go ok
[11:01] <insanekane> nikkia: amazing
[11:01] <insanekane> nikkia: is it supported by amarok, juk, etc ?
[11:02] <insanekane> nikkia: whats your opinion ? should I use that instead of the kubuntu default (gstreamer right ?) for my derived distro ?
[11:02] <nikkia> insanekane: i have artsd routed to jack, so yes
[11:02] <insanekane> cool
[11:03] <nikkia> insanekane: the problem is, getting jack setup needs some mods to the kernel and kde compiled differently, plus some /usr/sbin/startkde hacking
[11:03] <nikkia> kubuntu's arts isn't compiled with jack support...
[11:03] <insanekane> hrmmmm
[11:03] <buz> what is jack good for anyway
[11:03] <insanekane> maybe thats something Riddell  can do ;)
[11:03] <nikkia> buz, pro audio type stuff, but its a better all-around sound system than the others
[11:04] <torz> nikkia: is there a way to boot isos without just turning on the computer with the cd in it?
[11:04] <nikkia> torz, not that i know of
[11:04] <buz> vmware can boot from file i think
[11:04] <insanekane> torz: yes ... use vmware, bochs, etc
[11:04] <torz> nikkia: no probs, I just realised that I have to get dirty with BIOS.
[11:04] <insanekane> iirc
[11:05] <insanekane> i believe thats how the installer screenshots are taken ??
[11:05] <torz> my new machine is probably not set to boot from optical media
[11:05] <nikkia> insanekane: thats not quite what torz asked for, though :)
[11:06] <insanekane> torz: setup to boot from CDROM is quite easy ... hardly what i would describe "getting dirty with"
[11:06] <insanekane> nikkia: yeah, i just realised
[11:07] <insanekane> ook, c anan anyee ellm  ...what  sshould Iintall to get startx working ??
[11:07] <nikkia> insanekane: first get your system load lower so its not mangling your keyboard buffer :P
[11:08] <insanekane> nikkia: sorry about that ... but no can do :/ ... am compiling something important
[11:08] <nikkia> insanekane: know the feeling :/
[11:08] <insanekane> can anyone tell me what I should install to get startx working ?
[11:09] <insanekane> nikkia: i doubt it ... have you compiled something on a machine with 98 MB RAM ?
[11:09] <nikkia> insanekane: my keyboard buffer does that too, under heavy load, its very bizarre, if you notice, it is grouping the characters, ie, if you type 'hello all' and its high load, it'll come out as 'hellllo a'
[11:09] <insanekane> yes, i notice
[11:09] <ray_> ok i have changed my kdmm background pic...........but now when the bootsplash comes up there is no background....does anybody know why?
[11:09] <nikkia> ray, now you need to change the ksplash theme's background :P
[11:10] <ray_> nikkia: ok how do i do that?
[11:10] <nikkia> ray, same drill as before, but copy the ksplash theme in /usr/share/apps/ksplash/Themes  instead
[11:10] <nikkia> this time, you can change the ksplash theme within kcontrol though
[11:10] <insanekane> ok, i have startx ... now need to get /usr/bin/X
[11:10] <ray_> you are awsome nikkia
[11:10] <insanekane> err
[11:10] <torz> mmm where the hell is the boot priority
[11:11] <torz> ah found it
[11:11] <insanekane> now need to get /usr/bin/X11/X
[11:11] <nikkia> insanekane: xserver-xorg ?
[11:11] <jeh_work> helo
[11:12] <nikkia> insanekane: what exactly are you doing anyway? building a kubuntu system from a 'only basic packages' base ?
[11:12] <insanekane> nikkia: nope ... i already installed that
[11:12] <nikkia> insanekane: did you configure it ?
[11:12] <insanekane> nikkia: no ..  idid apt-get upgrade .. and now no X :/
[11:13] <nikkia> insanekane: weird
[11:21] <Kejk_PL> kde 3.4.2 - you are really fast :)
[11:22] <ray_> nikkia: ok there is no background during the splash screen
[11:22] <ray_> ive tried everything
[11:22] <nikkia> ray, thats very strange
[11:22] <nikkia> ray, which splash theme are you using ?
[11:23] <ray_> i just want the kdm background to STAY when the boot splash comes up like it does by default
[11:23] <nikkia> ray, yeah, it doesn't work like that really :/
[11:23] <ray_> nikkia: the default splash screen
[11:23] <buz> anybody know where to get linux cell phones in europe
[11:23] <nikkia> ray, kdm and ksplah both have their own backgrounds, so what you have to do is fake it by setting the background of the two to be either the same or similar
[11:23] <buz> a nice qtopia phone would be to my likin
[11:23] <nikkia> buz, i don't think there are any on the market yet
[11:24] <nikkia> buz, samsung has one, i think, but its asia-only atm
[11:24] <ray_> nikkia: it does when you install kubuntu....even if you change the splash to default ...the background sticks....when i do it now it goes away
[11:25] <nikkia> ray, its not sticking, its the fact that kubuntu's splash theme uses the same background as kubuntu's kdm theme :)
[11:26] <nikkia> ray, and kdm is configured to use the same background as its background, as well
[11:26] <nikkia> so the background goes thru the following:   [kdm theme during login prompt] ->set to background defined in kdmrc->[ksplash background] 
[11:27] <ray_> nikkia: yeah i get that.............but im not using kubuntus splash.....im using default kde....and when you change the default splash screen kubuntu's background stays.....
[11:27] <nikkia> ray, so to get it consistant you need to set all 3 to the same image
[11:27] <buz> that was weird
[11:27] <ray_> nikkia: yeah im missing the third location
[11:27] <buz> after hitting win+z (for amarok) my keyboard wouldnt work anymore
[11:28] <ray_> nikkia: during the bootsplash
[11:28] <nikkia> ray, in theory, you could make it dynamic by grabbing the screen image after the kdm theme is finished (ie you've started the login), and use that for the 2 remaining processes
[11:28] <ray_> nikkia: huh
[11:28] <nikkia> ray, it should be /usr/share/apps/ksplash/Themes/kubuntu/Background.jpg
[11:28] <ray_> nikkia: ok let me try thay
[11:28] <ray_> nikkia: ok let me try that
[11:32] <ray_> nikkia: nope i still get the grey x background when the splash comes up
[11:33] <nikkia> ray, that sounds suspiciously like startkde isn't determining that you're running from kdm
[11:34] <boga> I need the mplayer kde gui, ho do I install it?
[11:34] <ray_> nikkia: ok
[11:34] <torz> um... when you first install Kubuntu64, is it not supposed to load KDE?
[11:35] <torz> I just finished the first stage of installation and the system rebooted.
[11:35] <torz> everything is text-based.
[11:39] <nikkia> youch, 1.5GB of swap used
[11:39] <torz> nikkia, which Kubuntu do you run?
[11:40] <torz> x86_64?
[11:40] <nikkia> torz, i have 5.04 on my laptop, my desktop is running a linux built from scratch tho
[11:40] <nikkia> all x86, no AMD here
[11:40] <torz> hmm
[11:40] <torz> its pretty random eh
[11:40] <torz> just installed it and its giving me text based
[11:41] <torz> I thought the "K" was for KDE Lo
[11:41] <torz> :p
[11:41] <nikkia> torz, its probably a video card issue
[11:41] <torz> ha really? damn!
[11:42] <torz> but surely it doesnt require anything extrodinary
[11:42] <nikkia> torz, AMD64 stuff is a bit hit or miss, the drivers for your card might not be working properly because of the fact you're running AMD64
[11:42] <ray_> nikkia: after a long time i figured itout
[11:43] <nikkia> torz, check in /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see if there is some error message
[11:43] <torz> nikkia: cheeers I'll look right now
[11:44] <torz> hahaha
[11:44] <nikkia> torz, unless you really need 64bit support, or know what you're doing, you're probably better off running plain 32bit for now, really
[11:44] <torz> there is no log for xorg in there
[11:44] <torz> locate xorg seems to not return anything
[11:44] <nikkia> torz, no, it won't :)
[11:44] <nikkia> torz, try logging in and doing 'startx'
[11:45] <nikkia> my guess is that it'll say 'No Screens found' :)
[11:45] <torz> command not found
[11:45] <torz> heh
[11:45] <nikkia> torz, umm, you didn't install 'server' did you ?
[11:45] <torz> yep
[11:45] <torz> I did indeed
[11:45] <nikkia> there you go then
[11:45] <torz> hahaha
[11:45] <torz> was I being a bad boy by doing that
[11:45] <nikkia> server is a bare bones install without X or KDE or anything like that
[11:45] <nikkia> torz, well, its for running servers, not desktops :)
[11:46] <torz> damn you, only if you told me that 10 minutes ago
[11:46] <nikkia> torz, you might be able to fix it without reinstalling
[11:46] <nikkia> torz, try sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:46] <ray_> nikkia: well............god damn i dont get it......i have the backgorun pic i want during splash....but it turns grey in between...how does kubuntu stop it from doing that?
[11:46] <torz> nah I'll reinstall, it only takes 10minutes or so
[11:47] <torz> this thing installs so fast! the only thing thats slowing me down is the speed of the CD drive/
[11:47] <ray_> yeah kubuntu installs fast
[11:47] <ray_> ok brb
[11:47] <boga> ray_: And it also feels fast compared to SuSe
[11:48] <nikkia> boga, what doesn't ? :)
[11:48] <boga> SUSE is not as fast as Kubuntu
[11:49] <boga> I mean in daily use
[11:49] <nikkia> boga, i know, i was implying that suse feels slow compared to everything else
[11:50] <torz> boga: good to hear!! I was actually going to install SuSE
[11:50] <boga> the only advantage of suse is Yast. Simpler but too slow!
[11:51] <ray_> who is using 3.4.2?
[11:52] <ray_> anybody?/
[11:53] <ray_> hello?
[11:53] <torz> ray_: I'm in the process of installing :p
[11:54] <ray_> torz: it is sooooooo much better than 3.4 or 3.4.1
[11:54] <ray_> torz: you will not be dissapointed
[11:54] <torz> how so?
[12:01] <torz> yeah I'll upgrade as soon as the x86_64 install finishes.
[12:01] <ray_> torz: no bugs that were there before..... and quicker
[12:01] <ray_> see ya it is 6 am here and i havent gone to bed yet
[12:01] <torz> you call that late?
[12:01] <torz> try going to bed at 8am :p
[12:01] <ray_> torz: ive been there
[12:01] <torz> me too
[12:01] <torz> very often
[12:01] <ray_> torz: i have a girl in my bed.........
[12:01] <torz> I was an insomniac once. Not good for you.
[12:01] <ray_> torz: i need to get there
[12:01] <torz> ray_: make her beg you to go to bed then :p
[12:01] <torz> much more interesting
[12:01] <ray_> bye
[12:04] <Riggzy_Linux> yawn... I'm tried today
[12:04] <Riggzy_Linux> tired even
[12:16] <torz> damn where in kcontrol can I change my screen resolution
[12:16] <torz> it seems to not be in the obvious area
[12:18] <nikkia> Peripherals/Display
[12:18] <torz> sweet!
[12:18] <torz> oh damn
[12:18] <nikkia> but it needs your X config to have RandR configured, which you might not have
[12:18] <torz> looks like I have to change xorg.conf or whatever
[12:19] <torz> yeah it tells me my best resolution is 1024.768
[12:19] <torz> which is misleading!
[12:19] <torz> ahhh . -> z
[12:20] <insanekane> is there some meta-package i can install to make sure that X works ? :/
[12:21] <torz> nikkia: what does it mean by "depth" in regards to resolution?
[12:21] <torz> looking at xorg.conf atm
[12:21] <insanekane> the server dies stating it can't find the font "fixed"
[12:21] <insanekane> torz: color depth
[12:21] <torz> so 32 means 32bits?
[12:21] <insanekane> well .. it means 2^32 colors
[12:22] <nikkia> torz, yes
[12:22] <nikkia> there's no real difference between 24 and 32bit, other than some cards support one, some the other
[12:22] <torz> 2^32 == 32bits...
[12:23] <torz> I see
[12:23] <torz> sweet
[12:23] <insanekane> yep
[12:23] <nikkia> (it is referring to the framebuffer target, and thus doesn't matter if you use 24 or 32bit depth in terms of Composite (alpha blending) support, as that is not a function of the target framebuffer)
[12:24] <nikkia> insanekane: no, it doesn't mean 2^32 colours, because all 32bit supporting cards just ignore the extra 8 bits in terms of colours used, it is just a means to padding the framebuffer pixels to fit in a double word and thus increase performance of the memory subsystem on the video card
[12:25] <insanekane> right ... im really happy that computer designers now use marketing-speak :P
[12:25] <insanekane> nikkia: what i would really like your help on though, is how to get the font "fixed" :)
[12:26] <nikkia> insane, um, isn't fixed a base X font ?
[12:27] <insanekane> yes
[12:27] <insanekane> ive instaled xfonts-base
[12:27] <insanekane> to no avail
[12:27] <torz> wtf, kcontrol wont give me 1280x1024 even if I modify xorg.cong
[12:27] <torz> conf
[12:27] <torz> this is very annoying
[12:28] <torz> 1024x768 is the best it shows in the dropdown box
[12:28] <nikkia> torz, sometimes monitors lie
[12:28] <nikkia> torz, especially if you're using a KVM
[12:28] <torz> damn, I know why too. When installing it asked what resolution would I not like to use
[12:29] <nikkia> ah
[12:29] <torz> I accidentrally chose 1280x1024
[12:29] <torz> nah this monitor is pretty good.
[12:29] <torz> considering 32bit kubuntu was happy with 1280x1024
[12:31] <nikkia> insanekane: actually, looking, i don't have fixed either
[12:31] <nikkia> insanekane: it might be remapped to something else by freetype/fontconfig
[12:31] <insanekane> hrmm
[12:31] <insanekane> nikkia: do u have bdf/pcf in /usr/share/fonts ?
[12:32] <nikkia> insanekane: i don't have a /user/share/fonts on my LFS install
[12:32] <insanekane> LFS ?
[12:33] <nikkia> insanekane: linux from scratch
[12:33] <nikkia> and no, no sign of 'fixed' on my kubuntu machine either
[12:33] <nikkia> the only thing close to fixed there, is a console font
[12:33] <insanekane> Riddell: is there some meta package i can install to get X working on my machine ? I just upgraded (apt-get upgrade) and something went wrong, and X wont start :/
[12:33] <insanekane> nikkia: it probably is a console bitmap font
[12:39] <Riddell> insanekane: I wish I knew
[12:39] <brosio> anyone have kbluetooth ?
[12:40] <brosio> how could i install it on my kubuntu ?
[12:40] <Riddell> brosio: under breezy  sudo apt-get install kdebluetooth
[12:44] <brosio> Riddell, found thx
[12:45] <brosio>  breezy is like unstable in debian ?
[12:45] <Riddell> breezy is mega unstable
[12:45] <insanekane> Riddell: oh great :/
[12:46] <Riddell> insanekane: what's wrong with your X?
[12:46] <insanekane> Riddell: could not open default font 'fixed'
[12:47] <nikkia> i think i used the package from: http://fred.hexbox.de/debian/   but i was told that its version number may result in inability to upgrade when breezy is released
[12:48] <nikkia> it did, however, work perfectly, so its an option, as long as you remember that it may block breezy's kdebluetooth from installing
[12:48] <nikkia> well, i say it worked perfectly, i never tried it against kitchensync, only for basic obex stuff
[12:49] <Poromies> dammit >.<
[12:49] <Poromies> has anyone using amd64 updated to KDE 3.4.2?
[12:50] <Poromies> my apt is telling me that theres no amd64 version available (tried 3 different repos)
[12:51] <Poromies> Tiedoston http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342/dists/hoary-updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz nouto ei onnistunut  404 Not Found
[12:51] <Poromies> :(
[12:51] <Riddell> insanekane: same for me, no answer yet
[12:52] <insanekane> Riddell: same for you ?
[12:52] <Riddell> insanekane: X can't find fixed fonts
[12:52] <insanekane> Riddell: i think its because of mkfontdir not existing ... i found that error when apt-get --reinstall xbase-fonts
[12:52] <insanekane> apt-get --reinstall install xbase-fonts
[12:53] <insanekane> Riddell: ttmkfdir missing for me :) ... let me try
[12:54] <nikkia> insanekane: that'd do it
[12:55] <insanekane> Riddell: no, it doesnt work :/
[12:55] <insanekane> mkfontdir: command not found :/
[12:55] <nikkia> insanekane: half of the fonts are aliased, so without mkfontdir you're not going to get your fonts.alias files
[12:55] <insanekane> nikkia: its not that ... font.dir is missing thats the error
[12:55] <insanekane> fonts.dir
[12:57] <nikkia> insanekane: yes, but 'fixed' is an alias created by mkfontdir
[12:57] <insanekane> oh right .. hehe .. sorry :)
[12:57] <nikkia> /misc/fonts.alias:fixed        -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1
[12:57] <insanekane> how do i figure out which package provides mkfontdir ?
[12:57] <insanekane> sudo apt-cache search mkfontdir, shows x-ttfcidfont-conf
[12:58] <insanekane> but i already have that installed
[12:58] <nikkia> insanekane: you could apt-file it, if your apt-file database is still valid
[12:58] <insanekane> ok let me try
[12:58] <insanekane> no command apt-file :/
[12:58] <nikkia> insanekane: xutils here
[12:59] <nikkia> xutils: usr/X11R6/bin/mkfontdir
[12:59] <insanekane> i do believe i have that installed
[12:59] <nikkia> insanekane: maybe try reinstalling it ?
[12:59] <insanekane> let me try
[01:00] <nikkia> oh cripes!
[01:00] <nikkia> an 'important announcement' from work :/
[01:00] <insanekane> cya later then
[01:01] <nikkia> nah, its just a .doc file :P
[01:01] <nikkia> but 'important announcement's are never good
[01:01] <nikkia> feh
[01:01] <nikkia> our CFO doesn't want to relocate, so he's quit
[01:01] <insanekane> LOL
[01:02] <nikkia> 'instead, he will be moving to new zealand to start a new life'
[01:02] <nikkia> erm, ok, so he CBA to move 100 miles, so he's going to NZ instead? whatever!
[01:03] <nikkia> sometimes i really question the sanity of the people i work with
[01:03] <insanekane> nikkia: as does everyone
[01:03] <insanekane> i wish i could start a new life :/
[01:03] <nikkia> i've done it twice, its not all its cracked up to be
[01:04] <insanekane> yeah, but what did you change in your new life ?
[01:04] <nikkia> the basic problem is, that the suckiest part of your life - you - tends to follow you each time you 'start again' :)
[01:04] <nikkia> insanekane: change 1) moved to US from UK, change 2) moved back to UK from US, 10 years later
[01:04] <insanekane> thats not much of a change
[01:04] <insanekane> just some geography
[01:05] <nikkia> insanekane: its as much a change as 'moving to new zealand to start a new life'
[01:05] <insanekane> maybe he's moving to NZ to start a new life as a sheep "farmer" whatever
[01:05] <insanekane> whatever its called
[01:05] <insanekane> cattle raiser ?
[01:05] <nikkia> shepard?
[01:05] <insanekane> yeah shepard :)
[01:05] <nikkia> anyway, he doesn't have the physique for it
[01:06] <insanekane> so ?
[01:06] <insanekane> maybe he might end up raising chickens or something
[01:06] <nikkia> he'd be out of breath half a minute after starting to walk up the hills :P
[01:06] <insanekane> i think i should start a new life .. preferably one without Xorg
[01:08] <insanekane> Riddell: is there a package search for Kubuntu ? (like Debian's) ?
[01:08] <Riddell> insanekane: packages.ubuntu.com
[01:08] <Riddell> or  apt:/  in breezy with kio-apt
[01:08] <insanekane> Riddell: i cant get breezy working remember :)
[01:10] <Riddell> insanekane: I have an old version of xutils at http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/tmp/xutils_6.8.2-34_i386.deb
[01:11] <insanekane> ok will try
[01:11] <insanekane> Riddell: bugs.ubuntu.com ?
[01:11] <_radu> hy . i have i question . can KDE 3.4.0 be upgraded to 3.4.2 via Konsole (apt-get upgrade)?
[01:12] <Riddell> insanekane: that's the place
[01:12] <insanekane> _radu: you probably need to add hoary-updates to sources.list ??
[01:12] <_radu> i aded them
[01:12] <_radu> the four lines :D
[01:12] <insanekane> in that case, probably yes :)
[01:14] <may> bouh
[01:14] <insanekane> if you people don't mind :)
[01:15] <jpatrick> :P
[01:15] <ztonzy> hmm
[01:15] <ztonzy> does this channel use utf-8 ?
[01:19] <jpatrick> no idea :-/
[01:20] <ztonzy> cause for me the espanol looks like this: " Espaol "   in title
[01:20] <insanekane> ztonzy: it looks like that to me too
[01:21] <ztonzy> mmm
[01:23] <McScruff> whats the best Visual C++ app for linux?
[01:23] <jpatrick> KDevelop
[01:24] <jpatrick> sudo apt-get install kdevelop3
[01:24] <jpatrick> :)
[01:24] <McScruff> :)
[01:25] <jpatrick> I use KDevelop for C++
[01:25] <jpatrick> but other languages such as Ruby etc... are included
[01:26] <torz> ah, system is now almost configured to my liking :~)
[01:26] <McScruff> well im new to programming and learning C atm, but i wanna build a gui on a C app, so i think i canbuild the gui in a visual C++ app, (pls correct me if im wrong)
[01:27] <jpatrick> KDevelop(3) has C GUI
[01:27] <McScruff> ooooooooo
[01:27] <McScruff> thats perfect
[01:28] <jpatrick> did you do sudo apt-get install kdevelop3?
[01:28] <McScruff> just got it
[01:28] <torz> GUI with C eh, I've only played with Java GUI via Eclipse.
[01:28] <may> bouh
[01:29] <Hacker> hey howzit
[01:29] <McScruff> i am a n00b at programming in c tho
[01:29] <may> bouh
[01:29] <McScruff> im learning :)
[01:29] <insanekane> McScruff: if you want to learn C++ GUI programming, i greatly suggest the Qt toolkit
[01:29] <jpatrick> I've never done C
[01:29] <McScruff> i want to learn C
[01:29] <insanekane> oh right
[01:29] <torz> McScruff: these days you shouldnt have to handcode GUI anyways :p
[01:29] <jpatrick> just jumped to C++
[01:29] <may> bouh
[01:29] <Hacker> any C# coder in the room
[01:29] <may> bouhh
[01:29] <insanekane> isnt there a C binding for Qt ?
[01:29] <McScruff> i want to get into C for console development in the future
[01:29] <torz> ah, "Thinking in C++" is a good book if you're going to migrate from C to C++ :~)
[01:30] <McScruff> well i have only just started C
[01:30] <may> bouh
[01:30] <torz> bouh... is that english
[01:30] <jpatrick> Has the program set up?
[01:30] <McScruff> im running it atm
[01:30] <Hacker> ATM hey
[01:31] <torz> Hacker: I've looked into C# and I think its pretty damn close to Java (syntax wise).
[01:31] <torz> I still need to look into mobo though.
[01:31] <insanekane> Riddell: its a known bug ... lots of stuff missing, xset, xsetroot, etc
[01:31] <Hacker> well if you can code C# yu can code Java
[01:31] <insanekane> Riddell: #12872
[01:31] <torz> exactly, and vice versa.
[01:31] <Hacker> the syntax is similar in some way
[01:31] <may> bouh
[01:31] <Hacker> yep
[01:32] <insanekane> Riddell: about freetype ... any plans to upgrade to 2.1.9 ? required for scribus 1.3
[01:32] <may> bouh
[01:32] <Hacker> do you code in C# Torz
[01:32] <torz> Hacker: nope, too busy with C++ atm.
[01:32] <may> bouh
[01:32] <jpatrick> bouh??
[01:32] <torz> Hacker: I would love to look into it more though
[01:32] <Hacker> ok
[01:32] <may> bouh
[01:33] <Hacker> yeah
[01:33] <torz> what kind of english is "bouh"?
[01:33] <torz> Hacker: I assume you're into C#?
[01:33] <insanekane> its not english, its "dog"
[01:33] <Hacker> well C as well which I'm familiar with C++
[01:33] <may> bouh
[01:33] <insanekane> bouh bough
[01:33] <insanekane> bow bow bouh
[01:33] <torz> yeah C++ is cool, Java is average in many ways.
[01:33] <may> bouh
[01:34] <torz> i.e. multiple inheritence.
[01:34] <Hacker> yeah
[01:34] <McScruff> jpatrick, how do you draw a form :S
[01:34] <may> bouh
[01:34] <Hacker> Torz I gotta run bro, Chat later
[01:34] <torz> later
[01:34] <Hacker> u got ma e-mail
[01:34] <torz> no
[01:34] <may> bouh
[01:35] <jpatrick> draw a form?
[01:35] <may> bouh
[01:35] <McScruff> i have built an app, but i wanna add a gui to it
[01:35] <jpatrick> I have no idea...
[01:36] <jpatrick> started C++ 5 months ago
[01:36] <may> bouh
[01:36] <jpatrick> or was it 7?
[01:36] <may> bouh
[01:36] <torz> mmm btw how do you change the background of konqeuror?
[01:36] <torz> the dafault is pretty ugly (the gray bg).
[01:37] <torz> I want the two tone blue/white background.
[01:37] <may> bouh
[01:37] <insanekane> finally, ooo 1.9.116 begins building
[01:37] <torz> heh, bouh is the answer to my question??
[01:37] <may> bouh
[01:38] <insanekane> may: maybe you have an encoding problem ? :)
[01:38] <jpatrick> McScruff: look around the program you might something..
[01:38] <may> bouh
[01:39] <McScruff> i am, im just havin a good look around :)
[01:39] <may> bouh
[01:39] <jpatrick> Maybe 'Interface Designer' is what you want
[01:39] <may> bouh
[01:40] <jpatrick> ok that's getting annoying
[01:40] <may> bouh
[01:40] <insanekane> yeah it is
[01:40] <may> bouh
[01:40] <insanekane> *very* irritating
[01:40] <may> bouh
[01:40] <insanekane> Riddell: ??? -> may
[01:40] <may> bouh
[01:40] <jpatrick> :P
[01:41] <may> bouh
[01:41] <torz> my goodness wtf would KDE guys decide to put the background configuration in View -> configure background.
[01:41] <may> bouh
[01:41] <insanekane> torz: eh ?
[01:41] <may> bouh ?
[01:41] <torz> insanekane: changing the background for konqueror.
[01:41] <insanekane> eh !
[01:42] <insanekane> torz: oh right
[01:42] <may> bouh
[01:42] <may> bikaboouh
[01:42] <Riddell> torz: I do wonder this too
[01:42] <torz> my goodness, you must be so bored.
[01:42] <may> bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[01:43] <torz> you mean pika boo?
[01:43] <Riddell> insanekane: I don't think freetype will be updated, we're in version freeze
[01:43] <may> bouh
[01:43] <Riddell> insanekane: may?
[01:44] <may> I don't speak english :-)
[01:44] <jpatrick> so..
[01:44] <jpatrick> what do you speak?
[01:44] <insanekane> Riddell: may is f&^&^^ around
[01:44] <may> greek
[01:45] <jpatrick> :-/
[01:45] <may> french
[01:45] <torz> you seem to be able to understand english however.
[01:45] <jpatrick> #kubuntu-fr
[01:45] <insanekane> hehe
[01:45] <may> bouh
[01:46] <torz> wow, wonder if theres a kubuntu-jp
[01:46] <torz> nope :~)
[01:46] <torz> bummer.
[01:46] <may> bouh
[01:46] <torz> so what does bouh mean?
[01:47] <may> I don't speak english !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[01:47] <may> bouh
[01:48] <jpatrick> right..... o_O
[01:48] <may> bouh
[01:49] <Riddell> may: stop being annoying please or I'll kick you
[01:49] <may> bouh
[01:49] <jpatrick> bye bye
[01:50] <torz> some ppl has too much time
[01:50] <may> bouh
[01:50] <jpatrick> not again
[01:50] <Riddell> one more of those == ban
[01:51] <torz> mmm you really dont want to be klined my friend.
[01:51] <may> bouh
[01:51] <jpatrick> bye bye
[01:52] <jpatrick> :o
[01:52] <torz> some ppl...
[01:52] <insanekane> Riddell: OOo2 1.9.116 ... should I report bugs on that source package ?
[01:52] <Riddell> insanekane: sure
[01:53] <jpatrick> makes you think doesn't it?
[01:53] <jpatrick> makes you think doesn't it?
[01:53] <jpatrick> opps...
[01:54] <torz> jpatrick: that some retards really need to find a hobby?
[01:54] <jpatrick> yep
[02:04] <jpatrick> got to go
[02:04] <jpatrick> back soon..
[02:17] <Aapzak> people, who has a nice apt/sources.list? 
[02:18] <Aapzak> mine does not work well, and I want to install some kind of java, which I also do not have with my current repos
[02:18] <jeh_work> maybe i should download kubuntu and give it a try
[02:19] <jeh_work> my wife would like a kde based debian system that's more up-to-date than debian stable and less broken than sid :)
[02:20] <Aapzak> then Kubuntu is one to try
[02:20] <astro76> Aapzak, http://pastebin.com/324574
[02:20] <Aapzak> tnx astro76 
[02:20] <equex> jeh_work: 
[02:21] <equex> thats some wife i might say :D
[02:21] <jeh_work> equex: heh, a software developer that uses linux & kde :)
[02:21] <jeh_work> can't complain
[02:21] <Aapzak> hmmz, I found an access point but it isn't working fine, but at least I'm online :)
[02:23] <Aapzak> how can I see which repos are not working well? are those the one with Ign in front of the line? (I'm using apt-get from CLI)
[02:25] <torz> Aapzak: http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:25] <torz> or if you just want Java then go to java.sun.com and download the binary there.
[02:31] <equex> anyone have a tip for me? suddenly my dvdrom doesnt work properly, it sees all DVDs as blank. regular cdroms work though. the DVD rom is confirmed to work(wich i installed Ubuntu with) Konqueror says "Malformed URL" when i try to open it (/cdrom0)
[02:32] <torz> mmm
[02:32] <torz> I had a similar problem with cdrom.
[02:32] <Aapzak> torz: I like the package manager, I'm just not used to repos that don't work
[02:33] <torz> Aapzak: yeah but as far as Java goes its uber simple installation.
[02:33] <Aapzak> allright, maybe true indeed
[02:33] <torz> If you dont like binaries then you can get a rpm from there, you can convert it to .deb with alien iirc.
[02:34] <Aapzak> apt says Hit, Get or Ign. I suspect that Ign is a update failure
[02:34] <Aapzak> no
[02:34] <Aapzak> ign might mean that my package list is up to date, no need to get another one, ignore.
[02:39] <jeh_work> how old is the current kubuntu, btw?
[02:39] <torz> 5.04 I think.
[02:40] <Aapzak> current Kubuntu is pretty new
[02:41] <torz> Linux titan 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic #1 Tue Apr 5 12:21:57 UTC 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux <= installed this just couple of hours ago.
[02:56] <jeh_work> torz: a version number doesn't really say how new it is :)
[02:56] <kalenedrael> torz, what's the problem?
[02:56] <Aapzak> jeh_work: for which application do you want to know how old it is?
[02:57] <kalenedrael> oh, never mind
[02:57] <Aapzak> kalenedrael: he's showing how old kubuntu is
[02:57] <jeh_work> Aapzak: nah, just generally
[02:57] <Aapzak> k, it has kde 3.4
[02:57] <jeh_work> Aapzak: a bit like the last stable debian was about 20 years old
[02:57] <torz> the problem is apt wont get me w32cocecs
[02:57] <kalenedrael> 2.6.10 is kinda old for a kernel
[02:57] <torz> no but you can relate to the kernel
[02:57] <torz> exactly
[02:57] <torz> 5.04 means nothing but kernel 2.6.10 means something.
[02:58] <Aapzak> it does
[02:58] <kalenedrael> yes
[02:58] <mart> torz: you probably haven't got your apt sources set up right
[02:58] <jeh_work> 2.6.10 and kde 3.4.2 is new enough, i can update software from extra repos if needed
[02:58] <kalenedrael> yes
[02:58] <Aapzak> jeh_work: it's not 3.4.2
[02:58] <kalenedrael> i like to compile my own kernel anyway, though
[02:58] <jeh_work> Aapzak: no, but i read /topic
[02:58] <torz> mart: nah copied and pasted ubuntuguide.org so should be fine I think
[02:58] <Aapzak> ok, thats a livecd
[02:58] <_kay> Breezy or using Hoary?
[02:59] <Aapzak> who is breezy?
[02:59] <Aapzak> unstable?
[02:59] <Aapzak> testing?
[02:59] <jeh_work> Aapzak: hm? "You can download Kubuntu packages...."
[02:59] <_kay> Sort of, development version
[02:59] <mart> kubuntu doesn't have stable/testing/unstable
[02:59] <kalenedrael> oh, i found that ndiswrapper didn't work with the provided kernel
[02:59] <_kay> Kubuntu has Debian 
[02:59] <mart> hoary is released, breezy will be next
[02:59] <kalenedrael> in kubuntu
[03:00] <kalenedrael> had to compile my own kernel to use it...
[03:00] <mart> _kay: that's not quite accurate
[03:00] <_kay> What is not, mart?
[03:00] <kalenedrael> modprobe ndiswrapper generated a lot of kernel crap
[03:00] <mart> [13:59]  <_kay> Kubuntu has Debian
[03:00] <kalenedrael> kubuntu has apt
[03:00] <kalenedrael> apt != debian
[03:01] <Aapzak> can you use breezy? or is it highly unrecommended?
[03:01] <_kay> Well, Ubuntu is still based on Debian
[03:01] <mart> yes, that's true
[03:01] <Aapzak> I want kde 3.4.1+
[03:01] <_kay> In that, there is testing and unstable
[03:01] <mart> no
[03:01] <_kay> no?
[03:01] <mart> I don't think there are as many stages
[03:02] <hettar> can you get the latest ALSA for the current ubuntu ?
[03:02] <_kay> There are even experimental, unstable, testing, stable and oldstable
[03:03] <_kay> That is nothing that Ubuntu needs to do, what it does is making more frequent stabilization processes
[03:03] <torz> damn w32codecs doesnt work under x86_64... although as expected.
[03:03] <mart> _kay: where are the experimental, testing and oldstable versions of ubuntu packages
[03:03] <_kay> That is what I said, that is Debian
[03:04] <mart> yes, debian has those. I thought you were trying to say ubuntu also did
[03:04] <_kay> In Ubuntu no such thing exists.
[03:04] <Aapzak> guys, you recommend Blackdown java or Sun?
[03:04] <_kay> It takes advantage of them
[03:04] <mart> _kay: ok, we're agreed then
[03:04] <Aapzak> or IBM java?
[03:04] <mart> Aapzak: blackdown is based on suns code
[03:04] <Aapzak> but open source?
[03:04] <mart> no
[03:04] <_kay> jamwm does run what i need, which is not much
[03:05] <_kay> But it is a free one with GNU classpath I think
[03:05] <mart> Aapzak: at least, as open source as suns jdk is
[03:05] <_kay> Which is not entirely much
[03:05] <Aapzak> nope
[03:05] <Aapzak> not goof
[03:05] <_kay> by standards of OSI at least
[03:05] <Aapzak> good
[03:05] <_kay> What do you do with Java?
[03:06] <Aapzak> just use the jdk for apps
[03:06] <_kay> use? you mean run?
[03:06] <Aapzak> running apps like HattrickOrganizer
[03:07] <_kay> Swing GUI ?
[03:07] <Aapzak> I mainly run hattrick organizer
[03:07] <_kay> For all I know, if they use Swing, the free implementations are not yet complete at all
[03:08] <Aapzak> in extras
[03:08] <Aapzak> is Sun JDK
[03:08] <Aapzak> lemme do that
[03:08] <_kay> That one will likely work
[03:08] <_kay> now, later others will also work, a lot of people work on Free Software Java stuff
[03:09] <_kay> Thing Apache with Harmony, then there is Kaffee and Jamvm and GNU classpath and gcc has something with that too
[03:09] <torz> AWT sucks, Swing sucks, but SWT rocks.
[03:10] <_kay> Try to do apt-get install java-virtual-machine
[03:10] <_kay> Then you see what you apt sources have available for you
[03:10] <mart> torz: what's good about swt?
[03:10] <mpmc> is there a mixer for kde like esd for gnome?
[03:11] <mart> torz: I heard it needed manual memory management and such nonsense
[03:11] <mart> mpmc: kmix
[03:11] <torz> mart: makes the program platform dependent but in return gives you near-native GUI speed.
[03:12] <torz> mmm brb
[03:13] <jpatrick> I can't install icon theme :-/
[03:13] <jpatrick> themes*
[03:15] <_kay> People should use QT with Java
[03:15] <_kay> :p
[03:18] <mart> or even Qt, none of this QuickTime stuff :P
[03:29] <mpmc> God damm fonts are too small Help!
[03:44] <_neil> hi
[03:44] <_neil> any possibility to have the flash plugin under a kubuntu-powerpc ?
[03:47] <nikkia> _neil: i believe you need to take that up with macromedia, as the only flash plugin for linux is for x86
[03:47] <mart> one of the free ones might work, I guess
[03:47] <mart> but I don't use them, so can't help much there
[03:48] <_neil> under debian i used a free one
[03:48] <_neil> but cant remember and new to kubuntu 
[03:49] <nikkia> _neil, check if there is a 'swf-player' listed in the packages
[03:49] <tech> happy sysadmin day
[03:50] <ToyMan> hi all
[03:51] <ToyMan> just got kubuntu running on my lapper... very nice
[03:51] <ToyMan> I'm usually working in freebsd, but that wouldn't boot on this hp...
[03:51] <ToyMan> my congrats to any who do install work on this channel, very slick, very well thought out
[03:51] <nikkia> swfdec certainly seems to have a ppc package, but i can't tell if it includes a plugin or not
[03:52] <nikkia> swf-player claims to include a plugin, but i can't find the packages anywhere in the pool directory, which is strange
[03:52] <ToyMan> I may even get my wife to use this ;-)
[03:53] <nikkia> ah, swf-player is provided by swfdec, so i imagine installing that should be possible on ppc, and should provide you a flash plugin
[03:54] <_neil> nikkia: thanks :)
[03:54] <nikkia> _neil, i'd still complain at macromedia tho :)
[03:54] <_neil> ;)
[03:55] <nikkia> it won't do any good, but still, it'd be one more linux ppc user expressing their dissatisfaction of their pathetic policies
[03:55] <_kay> ToyMan: The next release will be even better for laptops
[03:56] <mart> heh, if mac are moving to intel, I'd be surprised to ever see a ppc version from them
[03:56] <tech> i have a complaint, i installed apache in my kubuntu.. and it comes with a debian logo :(:(
[03:57] <_kay> what is your problem with that, tech?
[03:57] <tech> i tried to make a joke =p
[03:58] <ToyMan> kay, excellent.
[03:59] <_kay> Actually, the installer is the new Debian installer, ToyMan, with some tunings... that I like as well :)
[03:59] <ToyMan> well, it was about as painless as it gets...
[03:59] <ToyMan> no wifi yet though
[04:00] <_kay> what chipset?
[04:00] <ToyMan> heh, the main thing i had to do for the install was drink coffee ;-)
[04:01] <ToyMan> um.... lessee... it's a broadcom i think... what's the linooks command for getting hw info?
[04:01] <ToyMan> i'm used to freebsd
[04:01] <_kay> lspci
[04:01] <ToyMan> thanks
[04:01] <_kay> I used NetBSD in 95 or so....
[04:01] <ToyMan> 0000:02:03.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
[04:02] <mart> that's not wireless
[04:02] <ToyMan> yeah, just realized that
[04:02] <ToyMan> 0000:02:02.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 03)
[04:02] <ToyMan> there we go
[04:03] <_kay> Don't know about those
[04:03] <nikkia> broadcom are notoriously bad for getting to work on linux :/
[04:03] <_kay> ndiswrapper?
[04:03] <nikkia> _kay, that'd be my guess
[04:03] <ToyMan> _kay: thanks, i'll look into it
[04:04] <_kay> I bought my laptop with Linux pre-installed
[04:04] <ToyMan> hmm. does kubuntu use sudo only?
[04:04] <_kay> That helped somewhat in knowing the drivers exist and work :p
[04:04] <nikkia> i just use 802.11b cards that are ages old but supported well :)
[04:04] <nikkia> ToyMan: yes
[04:04] <ToyMan> just realized that I was never asked for a root password...
[04:04] <ToyMan> ah, ok
[04:05] <jjesse> yuu won't be asked for a root password ;)
[04:05] <_kay> you cannot login as root
[04:05] <apokryphos> !rootsudo
[04:05] <ubotu> rumour has it, rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:06] <_kay> normally, though you can enable that
[04:06] <_kay> sudo -i will give you a root session though
[04:09] <nikkia> afternoon mez
[04:10] <Kmorph> hi people! :)
[04:14] <Mez> afyternoon
[04:15] <`Nomad> I usually just do a " sudo su - "
[04:18] <`Nomad> I just installed Kubuntu for the first time. Are there any major problems I should know about?  Is it a really new distro?
[04:19] <`Nomad> mplayer doesn't seem to want to be  on it, and many of the other choices, such as totem, won't play either
[04:19] <apokryphos> `Nomad: pretty new, but no major problems.
[04:19] <vegiVamp> I seem to be missing a few essentials such as ncftp and mc :-(
[04:19] <apokryphos> `Nomad: you need extra packages to play restricted formats
[04:20] <vegiVamp> apart from that, pretty nice distro :-)
[04:20] <`Nomad> Apok: I just installed realplayer and the rp9 codecs, so that works fine for web streams
[04:20] <`Nomad> Looks very nice, 
[04:20] <`Nomad> I got fed up with mandrake, it always got busted for some reason.  Maybe I have failing hardware
[04:20] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell `Nomad about restrictedformats
[04:20] <Firetech> !ubotu
[04:20] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ubotu is uh... Thaaat's me! I'm a bot. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu!
[04:24] <insanekane> ubotu: tell insanekane about restrictedformats
[04:27] <supernix> Hey use guys wassup
[04:27] <supernix> Anyone know of a good password keeper that can generate secure passwords ?
[04:27] <jjesse> kdewallet
[04:28] <supernix> ty
[04:28] <`Nomad> apok: I added the repository and updated apt-get, works fine, but I tried all "apt-get install mplayer" I coudl and it never finds it
[04:29] <`Nomad> tryinf kynaptic
[04:30] <supernix> k it seems that kwallet will only allow you to store information and not really generate passwords
[04:31] <sorush20> guys... I'm trying to install KDAR.. but I keep getting these messages... can someone help... 
[04:31] <sorush20> I've posted the error in the flood
[04:45] <sorush20> anyone here using KDAR
[04:47] <sorush20> could someone help me with an installation error.... 
[04:52] <tech> anyone expiriencing kubuntu locking up with KDE?
[04:55] <jjesse> nope tech using it on my laptop and at home
[04:58] <vegiVamp> tech: dell D610 laptop ?
[04:58] <tech> vegiVamp, no
[04:58] <tech> it is not a laptop
[04:59] <vegiVamp> there's a locking issue with those laptops that's resolved by installing kernel 2.6.13-xxx, maybe it works for your machine as well
[04:59] <vegiVamp> look for the Dell  D610 issues in the ubuntu wiki
[04:59] <saku_0> hi all
[05:00] <tech> well, i had this similar problem in my other distro with 2.4.29 kernel, it seems Xorg locks up and takes 100% cpu when running KDE
[05:00] <tech> i installed xfce on my kubuntu yesterday, ill see if it is stable
[05:00] <tech> i wonder why kde causes a crash on my machine..
[05:01] <saku_0> could you help me ? i can not dowload an file on web page because my access is denied 
[05:01] <vegiVamp> if you've got the same issue with a different distro and kernel, perhaps it's hardware ?
[05:01] <saku_0> how to resolve this pb ?
[05:01] <saku_0> ty 
[05:01] <tech> vegiVamp, switching windowmanager seems to work
[05:02] <vegiVamp> saku_0: more info, please :-)
[05:02] <vegiVamp> tech: hmm... strange
[05:02] <saku_0> vegiVamp> ok
[05:03] <saku_0> well i try to download an package on debian web site 
[05:03] <saku_0> and i have an error message which said that  my access is denied 
[05:04] <tech> anyone here use KDE and a Nvidia 6600 AGP card?
[05:04] <saku_0> and message said also that i can't write 
[05:07] <nikkia> tech, yes
[05:08] <tech> nikkia, do you use the nvidia-glx driver ubuntu package, and got "Driver nvidia" in your xorg.conf?
[05:09] <nikkia> no, i manually installed the drivers
[05:10] <tech> nikkia, i see.. when i did that, i saw "removing nvidia TLS drivers" at each start up, so each time i rebooted i had to reintall the driver to work
[05:14] <ToyMan> damn, kynaptic is nice
[05:15] <`Nomad> Once installed, are there many more repositories that should b eadded to the default config?
[05:15] <`Nomad> I've been hearing about how nice Ubuntu is for so long, I want to set it up properly and keep it for a long time :)
[05:17] <sproingie> is there a way to theme gtk without installing gnome?
[05:19] <ToyMan> `Nomad: I just activated 'universe' by uncommenting and added 'multiverse' by copying/editing the universe line in /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:25] <`Nomad> Thanks.. I just saw the FAQ line above and am following the guidelines from there  :)
[05:39] <Aapzak> guys, do you know a mirror for ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net? I can't use thatone
[05:40] <wincide> ito
[05:41] <Aapzak> ito?
[05:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> what's wrong with it?
[05:45] <Aapzak> I can't reach it
[05:46] <tech> ftp://ftp.uio.no/linux/ubuntu/
[05:49] <StR> Hi all!
[05:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[05:56] <samuelk> can someone help me installing a boot splash
[05:56] <Aapzak> finally ...
[05:57] <aseigo> finally, yes, i'm here ;)
[05:57] <StR> samuelk: boot splash?
[05:58] <samuelk> i know how to do now..
[05:58] <StR> samuelk: ok...
[06:01] <Aapzak> lol @ aseigo 
[06:05] <|rockinnerd|> how does one make artsd start @ system startup?
[06:11] <jwir3> hey everyone.  I installed kubuntu, but when I go to change the KDE Menu (i.e. the button in the lower left corner that pops up the list of progams when I click on it), it allows me to change stuff, but they don't take effect on the main menu.  Basically, it just disregards my changes.  Is there some setting I am missing?
[06:16] <jwir3> Has anyone else had this problem?
[06:16] <`Nomad> jwir3: New install here and it works for me :(
[06:17] <jwir3> hmm... for some reason, it worked for a little while (I could add/remove stuff from the menu initially) but now I can't seem to do it.
[06:17] <`Nomad> Is it a good thing to get the NVIDIA drivers and install them
[06:51] <fromoze> !copy
[06:51] <ubotu> fromoze: Bugger all, i dunno
[06:51] <fromoze> !pastebin
[06:51] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[06:52] <evgind> hi
[06:56] <`Nomad> I love Kubuntu, I'm almost back to having my system totally as before :)
[06:57] <`Nomad> in looks at least :)
[06:57] <`Nomad> I use ksmoothdock, can anyone tell me if I have to hav ethe kicker as well or is it possible to not have it?
[06:58] <`Nomad> Hey Duende, fellow Aliant user
[07:09] <tech> is there any cool games you can recommend me to apt-get? :)
[07:10] <`Nomad> tech: I'm old fashioned, I love Maelstrom
[07:10] <`Nomad> Asteroid like game
[07:11] <`Nomad> and njam.sourceforge.net (Pacman like)
[07:11] <tech> im gonnae try it now
[07:11] <`Nomad> tech: I forget if I got it with apt-get or downloaded it 
[07:12] <tech> `Nomad, cooool! i remember a game like this that i used to play some time ago, i bought it on a cd for windows :P
[07:12] <tech> maelstrom that is
[07:13] <`Nomad> it's a capital M though, if you run into trouble trying to get/run it ;)
[07:14] <tech> how can i see a list over existing games in apt?
[07:14] <`Nomad> dunno, try going through Kynaptic, under system in the menu
[07:14] <`Nomad> look up   game
[07:14] <tech> how?
[07:14] <tech> oh
[07:14] <tech> i will
[07:21] <_radu> how can i install open office beta ?
[07:21] <_radu> apt-get doesn't give me a clue
[07:21] <_radu> didn't
[07:24] <tech> bomberclone was fun
[07:24] <tech> games i install with apt always run in this small window.. wonder how i get them in fullscreen.
[07:33] <supernix> Hi what is good for generating and keeping passwords ?
[07:34] <jpatrick> othernoob!
[07:35] <jpatrick> anyone know how I can create a folder via the command line?
[07:36] <gdh> jpatrick: 'mkdir'
[07:36] <jpatrick> ok
[07:37] <jpatrick> great
[07:37] <jpatrick> now it says: 'device /dev/dsp can't be opened (Is a directory)'
[07:38] <gdh> ah, I guess your sound card doesn't work, then?
[07:39] <jpatrick> no it doesn't
[07:39] <gdh> you can't just 'mkdir /dev/dsp' if it didn't exist - it means that the driver for your sound card wasn't loaded...
[07:39] <jpatrick> so I made /dev/dsp :-/
[07:39] <gdh> I'm afraid I know nothing about the different drivers...
[07:39] <jpatrick> where can I find the driver?
[07:39] <othernoob> jpatrick!
[07:39] <gdh> nah, /dev/dsp is a 'special' file...
[07:40] <jpatrick> :-o
[07:40] <PrimoTurbo> Hey guys for some reason my cd player isn't working
[07:40] <PrimoTurbo> any help?
[07:41] <jpatrick> is your sound working?
[07:41] <PrimoTurbo> yeah just the cd player program
[07:41] <PrimoTurbo> I can play ogg files fine
[07:41] <PrimoTurbo> I can rip the cd fine
[07:41] <PrimoTurbo> but when I try to play it under different progs it doesn't work
[07:41] <gdh> jpatrick: Yeh, but I have an ancient SB AWE64 ISA :)
[07:42] <gdh> 2 channels is fine for me - I onlyhave 2 ears :)
[07:42] <othernoob> gdh: you freak :p
[07:42] <gdh> :)
[07:43] <mart> or is that "doesn't want to know"...
[07:43] <jpatrick> right...
[07:44] <jpatrick> damn this sound card :-/
[07:47] <andreasdk> Good evening
[07:48] <supernix> Hi what is good for generating and keeping passwords ?
[07:48] <andreasdk> Can someone please help me with my USB pendrive? I`m having some problems after having bought a new laptop and installed Kubuntu
[07:49] <jpatrick> supernix: try: sudo apt-get install fpm
[07:49] <jpatrick> ...or apt-cache search passwords
[07:49] <supernix> ty jpatrick 
[07:50] <jpatrick> apt-cache show mypasswordsafe
[07:53] <supernix> I have that mypasswordsafe thing installed I think
[07:53] <supernix> at least I did find it in the apt-cache output
[07:53] <andreasdk> Then run it.
[07:55] <andreasdk> Aren`t there anyone here that can help me wilt my pendrive? It`s really killing me!
[07:55] <supernix> hmmm I just typed in mypasswordsafe but it said command not found
[07:55] <jpatrick> make a new menu entry
[07:55] <andreasdk> That`s because you haven`t installed it
[07:55] <jpatrick> with command: mypasswordsafe
[07:56] <andreasdk> wilt = with
[07:58] <jpatrick> andreasdk: you have a flash drive?
[08:00] <andreasdk> wilt = with: yes
[08:00] <andreasdk> jpatrick: yes
[08:00] <jpatrick> what type?
[08:01] <andreasdk> What type... Little thingie type
[08:01] <jpatrick> company :P
[08:01] <jpatrick> mine works out of the box
[08:06] <jpatrick> supernix: the command from mypasswordsafe is '/usr/bin/MyPasswordSafe'
[08:16] <PrimoTurbo> How can I uninstall Kubuntu and all the files it installed?
[08:17] <PrimoTurbo> I'm having some issues with it and I would rather use gnome but I don't want it to waste my space as I have little of it left
[08:17] <PrimoTurbo> I used this to install it http://www.kubuntu.org/documentation.php
[08:17] <jpatrick> Just install ubuntu-desktop
[08:18] <jpatrick> you'll have GNOME and KDE
[08:18] <PrimoTurbo> I don't need KDE
[08:18] <PrimoTurbo> I have it installed already
[08:19] <jpatrick> then do: sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop
[08:19] <PrimoTurbo> will it remove all the stuff that it has added including the shortcuts in gnomes menu?
[08:19] <jpatrick> no
[08:19] <jpatrick> I think
[08:19] <PrimoTurbo> I need to remove that myself then?
[08:19] <jpatrick> brb
[08:20] <nikkia> gah!!!
[08:20] <jpatrick> ?
[08:20] <nikkia> udev == evil
[08:21] <jpatrick> o_O
[08:21] <nikkia> jpatrick, the reason i was having problems....
[08:21] <jpatrick> oh
[08:21] <jpatrick> food......
[08:21] <nikkia> is because udev processes rules backwards :(
[08:21] <McScruff> how do you run java apps :S
[08:22] <nikkia> i had written my rules in 99-symlinks, assuming, it would get executed after 50-udev.rules, but no, udev gives up parsing through the list once it gets a match :(
[08:22] <PrimoTurbo> does kde require a better computer to run?
[08:22] <PrimoTurbo> it's a little bit slower then gnome correct?
[08:23] <nikkia> PrimoTurbo: depends entirely on how you configre gnome and kde :)
[08:23] <PrimoTurbo> jpatrick I did what your told me to uninstall it
[08:24] <PrimoTurbo> not that I notice any difference, just my cd player doesn't work in kde and I can't fix it
[08:24] <PrimoTurbo> so back to gnome for now
[08:24] <McScruff> How Do you run .jar files
[08:24] <PrimoTurbo> knoqueror is still here
[08:24] <PrimoTurbo> damn
[08:24] <PrimoTurbo> how do I uninstall all of these apps for kde
[08:26] <PrimoTurbo> bah I think I should just format and do it all from the start :o
[08:26] <mart> PrimoTurbo: did you install kubuntu-desktop with aptitude?
[08:27] <PrimoTurbo> I used console
[08:27] <PrimoTurbo> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:27] <PrimoTurbo> using this guide http://www.kubuntu.org/documentation.php
[08:27] <PrimoTurbo> I'm a noob :(
[08:28] <PrimoTurbo> then I did  sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop
[08:28] <PrimoTurbo> it removed 32 mb it siad
[08:28] <PrimoTurbo> said*
[08:28] <PrimoTurbo> but I still have kde stuff that I don't need
[08:28] <PrimoTurbo> programs and such
[08:28] <mart> PrimoTurbo: ah, aptitude remembers what you've installed manually, and what got installed automatically, but I guess that's a bit late for you
[08:28] <PrimoTurbo> I need to remove them all
[08:29] <PrimoTurbo> how do I run this aptit*
[08:29] <mart> PrimoTurbo: you mean kscd didn't work for you?
[08:29] <gdh> PrimoTurbo: apt-get remove kdelibs4 should pull the carpet from under everything KDE ... 
[08:29] <PrimoTurbo> yeah it didn't work
[08:29] <PrimoTurbo> and cd player didn't work under kde
[08:29] <jackson> look, im sorry to go this low.  but i need help with irc, can anyone tell me a channel.  dudes, take pity. total n00b
[08:29] <PrimoTurbo> and totem cd player didn't work under kde but works under gnome
[08:30] <PrimoTurbo> i wish I could help but I know so little :(
[08:30] <mart> PrimoTurbo: did you try the kde cd player?
[08:30] <qbit> kscd will only work if you have the analog audio cable plugged up and it can find/see the correct device
[08:30] <PrimoTurbo> yes I did, didnt work
[08:30] <PrimoTurbo> it showed it was playing but there was no sound
[08:30] <PrimoTurbo> however ogg and system sounds worked fine
[08:30] <qbit> xmms will do digital audio through the ide interface
[08:31] <PrimoTurbo> how come cd player didn't work then?
[08:31] <PrimoTurbo> and it works under gnome fine?
[08:31] <qbit> it works here  :-)
[08:32] <supernix> hi wassup with the hoary 3.4.2
[08:32] <PrimoTurbo> I dunno why it didn't work
[08:32] <qbit> but also maybe the audio channel was turned down/disabled in the mixer
[08:32] <supernix> Do we have to do anything to our source.list to get it and such ?
[08:32] <PrimoTurbo> so kdelibs4 should remove all kde stuff?
[08:32] <PrimoTurbo> gdh
[08:32] <PrimoTurbo> or will I still stuff all around my system cause I really dont need that
[08:32] <jpatrick> supernix: http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php
[08:33] <PrimoTurbo> looks like it's removing 230+mb of stuff, good maybe I don't have to reformat
[08:37] <supernix> ok I added those to the source.list now what is the best way to update ?
[08:38] <jpatrick> sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:38] <jpatrick> after you've done apt-get update
[08:38] <supernix> ty very much for your help jpatrick 
[08:38] <StR> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:39] <jpatrick> dist-upgrade?
[08:39] <jpatrick> upgrade worked for me
[08:39] <supernix> what does dist-upgrade do ?
[08:39] <mart> dist-upgrade may manage to upgrade more
[08:39] <mart> but may also remove stuff too
[08:39] <supernix> ah kewl
[08:39] <supernix> ah bad
[08:39] <pakos> yes. a normal upgrade never installs or removes additional packages
[08:39] <supernix> what do you mean may remove stuff ?
[08:40] <pakos> dist-upgrade is smarter
[08:40] <mart> you have to read what it's going to do
[08:40] <jpatrick> okay
[08:40] <StR> no, it is better, because it will uninstall the stuff you don't need anymore
[08:40] <supernix> oic
[08:40] <mart> StR: not quite
[08:40] <pakos> and i personally prefer aptitude instead of apt-get
[08:41] <mart> pakos: I agree
[08:41] <mart> apttiude uninstalls unused stuff properly
[08:45] <StR> is KoolDock in the repos.?
[08:46] <jpatrick> no
[08:46] <jpatrick> there's a .deb package somewhere
[08:49] <jpatrick> http://ktown.kde.cl/kooldock/download.php
[08:49] <jpatrick> Debian: kooldock_0.3-1_i386.deb
[08:52] <supernix> I get confused about aptitude I don't know how to use it and have not seen any docs on it
[08:52] <supernix> it looks like it operates much like synaptic
[08:52] <supernix> Actually synaptic is what I usually use
[08:52] <pakos> the simple way:
[08:52] <pakos> use it like apt-get.
[08:53] <pakos> also : sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[08:53] <pakos> and sudo aptitude install <packagename>
[08:53] <pakos> that's all.
[08:53] <mart> or sudo aptitude to get the text-mode UI, and press F10 and pick the help menu
[08:54] <supernix> I thought that aptitude was all text mode
[08:54] <mart> supernix: either use the command line, or the text mode UI
[08:54] <supernix> oic
[08:54] <pakos> it has a ncurses gui
[09:10] <_JakubS> why the hell lan browsing in cups is disabled by default?
[09:11] <supernix> hey
[09:11] <supernix> do you have to do a logout and back in after the upgrade ?
[09:11] <supernix> Should I do ctrl+backspace ?
[09:13] <insanekane> _JakubS: someone had a lot to say about that ...
[09:13] <insanekane> _JakubS: the recently deceased Interaction designer, i think
[09:15] <_JakubS> what is worse, it has been disabled in a way that confuses kcontrol module (by including external config file)
[09:16] <insanekane> _JakubS: i guess 1600 odd maintainers arent enough :/
[09:17] <mart> wonder where that figure came from?
[09:17] <insanekane> mart: someone was talking abt it the other dat
[09:17] <insanekane> day
[09:20] <mart> insanekane: the figure is slightly different to the number of people in #kubuntu-devel though :)
[09:24] <insanekane> mart: i think 1600 maintainers in Ubuntu ecology :)
[09:24] <insanekane> mart: but not all of them work toward Kubuntu, and certainly not all of them are ardent IRCers like yourself :)
[09:25] <mart> insanekane: heh, I meant it's very easy to be a 'maintainer' but quite inactive
[09:25] <mart> (in many OSS projects, not just Ubuntu)
[09:26] <insanekane> mart: oh :/ ... i thought it was a difficult job ... hmm. i was actually proud of Ubuntu having 1600 maintainters :/
[09:26] <JadeFire> how do i upgrade to 3.4.2? What packages?
[09:26] <mart> JadeFire: see topic
[09:26] <JadeFire> k
[09:28] <JadeFire> I'm going to try to upgrade see ya later
[09:31] <pakos> just upgraded. sadly the new kdevelop comes without kio_svn too
[09:31] <pakos> let's see how to fill a bugreport :)
[09:35] <supernix> does the latest version of hoary work with flatpanel displays from sony viao ?
[09:39] <supernix> where are the run levels stored ?
[09:39] <mart>  /etc/rc?.d
[09:40] <supernix> Yeah I was trying to use ksysv
[09:40] <mart> works fine here
[09:42] <supernix> well I messed up and selected other when I started it now it can't find the rc files
[09:42] <supernix> or something like that 
[09:42] <supernix> I should have picked Debian for distro
[09:42] <mart> hmm, try removing the config file
[09:43] <supernix> where can I find that ?
[09:43] <mart> find ~/.kde -name ksysv*
[09:48] <PieD> Hi
[09:48] <PieD> Does somebody know where I can find packages of KOffice 1.4.1 for kubuntu on an amd64 ?
[09:51] <mart> PieD: they seem to be in universe
[09:51] <mart> PieD: no, I'm lying
[09:52] <mart> PieD: I don't see them for amd64
[09:52] <PieD> mart: I don't see them too :/
[09:52] <PieD> that's why I'm asking here
[09:53] <PieD> (I don't work to disturb uselessly)
[09:53] <PieD> s/work/want
[09:53] <mart> PieD: I can only suggest adding the url in the topic as a deb src and building them yourself
[09:54] <mart> s/deb src/deb-src/
[09:54] <PieD> ok
[09:54] <PieD> on an AMD64, this may be fast :)
[09:55] <supernix> any idea when they will upgrade the OO2 packages ?
[09:55] <PieD> in kubuntu hoary ?
[09:55] <PieD> I suppose never !
[09:55] <pakos> on 2006.04 :-)
[10:03] <ztonzy> hmm
[10:03] <jpatrick> hmm...
[10:03] <ztonzy> hmmm, I tried the new live cd iso...havent been working for me
[10:04] <mart> hmmm.
[10:05] <ztonzy> even reburned the cd-rw 2 times at lower speeds...first at 6 ...then at 4
[10:05] <pakos> have you checked the md5sums?
[10:06] <ztonzy> pakos: used K3b and it looked fine
[10:07] <JadeFire2> hi
[10:07] <pakos> so you compared the one generated from k3b against the one on the website?
[10:08] <ztonzy> eh no
[10:08] <ztonzy> I just loaded the iso...and ht got a green sign
[10:08] <ztonzy> it*
[10:09] <JadeFire> Hi all i just upgraded to kde 3.4.2
[10:09] <pakos> mhm. i don't know if k3b can actually verify the sums, but i suppose not. it is only generating the sum, and you should check it against the stored version
[10:09] <ztonzy> pakos: okej
[10:09] <pakos> ztonzy: maybe that is the problem. i'll give it a try
[10:10] <ztonzy> paines: sure
[10:10] <mart> or copy the cd back onto your disk, and take the md5sum from that
[10:10] <ztonzy> dunno if I will do it tonight...a bit tired...been up since 04.30 (it is 22.10 now)
[10:10] <pakos> tough day, eh?
[10:11] <ztonzy> indeed
[10:11] <ztonzy> lucky it is weekend :D
[10:11] <ztonzy> hmm...I still got Gnome on system...and kde 3.4.2 feels *really* speedy! wondering to remove entire gnome now
[10:12] <pakos> :) yeah.. but in the firm i have air conditioning.. at home none, and it's 35C now.. frying
[10:12] <ztonzy> wow
[10:12] <ztonzy> pakos: that's hot
[10:13] <pakos> ztonzy: yes, i had a normal ubuntu before kubuntu too.. it's nice, but i prefer kde :)
[10:13] <ztonzy> it came some rain here today...and weekend it will be some more
[10:14] <ztonzy> pakos: since I installed linux , after been in XP for 2 months , I installed Kubuntu first, and found some segfaults here and there...installed Gnome...and back and forth, but now latest update of kde feels really nice
[10:14] <pakos> send with dcc some here, pls :)
[10:14] <ztonzy> pakos: hehe
[10:15] <PieD> another question about kubuntu on an amd64 :
[10:15] <ztonzy> pakos: I had some issues with former mainboard...more issues in linux than windows, but in the end it happened in windows too...so I got a new mobo..and installed Kubuntu
[10:15] <pakos> hmm, the icon for the system:/ io-slave looks nice in 3.4.2 :)
[10:15] <PieD> can I download the OOo 2m118 rpms, use alien on them and then install them without any problem ?
[10:16] <ztonzy> pakos: I installed another icon theme after 3.4.2
[10:16] <mart> PieD: I don't know about "without any problem" but in theory...
[10:16] <pakos> ztonzy: hardware issues are bad :-(
[10:17] <hon> I have a problem with accessing other unix machines. I think my x server settings don't allow the remote ones to open display on my local machine (is this called tunneling?). I just don't know which settings to touch
[10:17] <pakos> PieD: i'll stick with the tgz binary distribution
[10:17] <ztonzy> pakos: yepp...the store said they didnt find any errors, probably using windows to test it with...and then 1 year warranty passed...
[10:17] <PieD> pakos: where do you download them ?
[10:17] <mart> hon: ssh -X ?
[10:17] <pakos> simply uninstall the debs, and install the binary
[10:17] <PieD> ftp://ftp.belnet.be/pub/mirror/ftp.openoffice.org/developer/680_m118 => no tgz ?
[10:17] <ztonzy> pakos: it was a nforce2 ultra (Shuttle) mobo...this is Asus VIA KT600 :)
[10:18] <supernix> why wouldn't they update the OO2 packages
[10:18] <pakos> PieD: ups, you have right.. sorry then, try the rpms. good luck :)
[10:18] <supernix> actually I got them from the repository from the first place
[10:18] <supernix> I just want to finally be able to use the OpenDocument format
[10:18] <PieD> and what about flash player using an amd64 ?
[10:19] <mart> did we have this conversation earlier?
[10:19] <mart> (no, sorry that was flash for ppc)
[10:20] <pakos> ztonzy: hmm, sorry, i'm a bit out-of-sync with the hardware brands in the last times :)
[10:20] <hon> mart: thanks
[10:20] <ztonzy> pakos: np, I am not enjoying nvidia chipsets as via...read on net that some had lots of issues using linux
[10:22] <pakos> ztonzy: thanks for the info, it could be useful later, maybe going to upgrade my hardware
[10:22] <ztonzy> pakos: and also...all Asus h/w I have had...has been quite stable
[10:24] <ztonzy> hmm
[10:24] <ztonzy> does controlpanel(settings) now only have icons in One window, and not in a menu context ?
[10:24] <ztonzy> before in kde 3.4.1  it didnt look like this
[10:24] <pakos> and what about nvidia as videocard? i've got always ati cards, but the lack of the motivation from ati to give better support for their cards pushes me towards nvidia..
[10:26] <pakos> hmm, after the upgrade, my control center startmenu-entry is gone
[10:26] <pakos> ztonzy: maybe view / mode / tree view?
[10:26] <pakos> if that's what you mean
[10:26] <ztonzy> hmm
[10:27] <ztonzy> the information window misses
[10:27] <pakos> information window?
[10:27] <ztonzy> yah
[10:28] <ztonzy> tree view to left....all info/settings to the right
[10:28] <ztonzy> wasn't like this before
[10:28] <pakos> i have it
[10:28] <pakos> so you have only the tree view, but nothing else?
[10:29] <pakos> and what happens if you click on one of the entries?
[10:29] <ztonzy> correct
[10:29] <pax> pakos: I can confirm the bug, kcontrol disapered from kmenu for me too (after the upgrade). you can always put it back via kmenuedit
[10:29] <ztonzy> pakos: just unfolds submenu
[10:30] <pakos> pax: ok, thanks, good to hear that i'm not simply blind :)
[10:30] <ztonzy> pax: not only from kmenu...but I mean when it's opened
[10:31] <pax> ztonzy: are you saying you can't open kcontrol after the upgrade?
[10:31] <pakos> pax: he can open it, but only the left treeview is visible
[10:31] <Talldave2002> hello all
[10:32] <pakos> the settings on the right disappeared. strange. it works for me(tm)
[10:32] <ztonzy> pax: yes...but before upgrade, the treeview with icons to the left was and settings/panels to the right...now...only big icons to click
[10:33] <Talldave2002> 1st time here, new to linux just upgeaded to Kubuntu
[10:33] <pakos> ztonzy: the output of 'kcmshell --list' is ok?
[10:33] <pakos> Talldave2002: congratulations :)
[10:33] <Talldave2002> thanks
[10:33] <Talldave2002> i am enjoying learning
[10:34] <ztonzy> pakos: what to look for ?
[10:34] <Firetech> weren't there qt 4 deb's for kubuntu somewhere?
[10:34] <gdh> Firetech: yes :)
[10:34] <pakos> simply general: are there entries? these are the plugins which are loaded, when you click on one of the entries
[10:35] <Talldave2002> prevoiusly stuck with Windows, tried Linux a couple of years ago but couldnt connect to the net so kinda gave up
[10:35] <ztonzy> pakos: oh...I pasted it into Konsole :)
[10:35] <Firetech> gdh: where?
[10:35] <gdh> Firetech: http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/qt4/
[10:35] <Firetech> thank yo
[10:35] <Firetech> *you
[10:35] <pakos> ztonzy: :-) for example, 'kcmshell panel' opens the panel configuration window
[10:35] <gdh> Firetech: was just grepping the logs :)
[10:36] <ztonzy> pakos: it does
[10:37] <pakos> ztonzy: hmm. then i would create a new user and check if for him looks kcontrol ok, or not
[10:37] <ztonzy> pakos: could do yes
[10:37] <Talldave2002> just having a little problem using Qemu is there anyone here who may be able to help?
[10:38] <pakos> ztonzy: if it's ok, then purge your settings belonging to kcontrol under ~/.kde :)
[10:39] <pakos> Talldave2002: Qemu? Sorry, don't use it
[10:39] <ztonzy> purge ?
[11:10] (pakos/#Kubuntu) so pdf (and openoffice) is ok here
[11:13] <pakos> but when sending out review-documents, they'll be edited by our customers, sent back to us, re-edited, and again and again. we cannot use different _versions_ of word, so a very different simply cannot do the job :-(
[11:13] <hon> question about themeing: I don't know about the way kde genretes the default theme for the first login. Is there any set of files that get copied to $HOME/.kde in first login?
[11:15] <ToyMan> hmm. no skype in packages...
[11:15] <lscd> Is there any way to download images for something other than your current architecture on cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/current/ ?
[11:16] <pakos> ToyMan: you can download it from skype.com, works without any problems
[11:16] <lscd> specifically, I'd like to download the x86 images, but it only gives me amd64 links
[11:24] <_kay> re-hi
[11:26] <Firetech> hmm the Qt4 packages from dev.kubuntu.org.uk, are they for hoary or breezy?
[11:26] <_kay> you can always do apt-cache show ... on them
[11:27] <persnickety> kde dev files are for download on kubuntu.org site yes?
[11:27] <Firetech> they don't have any release name in their versions, and they don't want to install on hoary...
[11:27] <Firetech> and they aren't in a repository..
[11:28] <Firetech> I'm talking about those -> http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/qt4/
[11:29] <_kay> Ah hm... I would say when Debian maintains it
[11:29] <_kay> hm... probably it is for Debian unstable, and likely matches Breezy a lot better than Hoary
[11:30] <_kay> But the dependencies are not many
[11:30] <_kay> Which one do you say fails?
[11:30] <ToyMan> pakos: cool, thanks
[11:31] <Riddell> Firetech: breezy
[11:31] <_kay> Firetech: I think they install fine on Breezy
[11:31] <Firetech> Riddell: are there any Qt4 packages for hoary then?
[11:33] <Riddell> Firetech: nope, but you sahould be able to recompile those ones 
[11:33] <Riddell> it's a long compile but
[11:33] <Firetech> yehaa...
[11:33] <Firetech> I don't really need it. I can wait until breezy
[11:33] <_kay> Well, Breezy already works, somewhat
[11:34] <gdh> hm, should it be right that my hoary+kde3.4.1+koffice1.4 try to remove all packages if I dist-upgrade to hoary? 
[11:34] <gdh> *sorry, remove all 'packages beginning with k' 
[11:36] <_kay> hm, no
[11:36] <_kay> You probably should try to not dist-upgrade. but "upgrade" first
[11:37] <_kay> then tackle one by one those parts that are making the problems
[11:37] <_kay> I suspect, the C++ transition creates the removal
[11:38] <_kay> You see, the gcc4 ABI does not match that of gcc3.3 and therefore packages conflict with each other
[11:38] <_kay> The dist-upgrade should work when Breezy is done with that transition.
[11:38] <_kay> Which it is ... maybe already Riddell?
[11:40] <_kay> you may also try apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:41] <_kay> That one should resolve things you need and remove the older ABI packages only
[11:41] <Firetech> how can I mount a partition with ISO 8859-1 charset (old data)?
[11:41] <Riddell> I can't recommend any sort of upgrade just now
[11:41] <gdh> _kay: I'm in no hurry - will just wait until it settles :)
[11:41] <gdh> 669 upgraded, 165 newly installed, 192 to remove and 7 not upgraded.
[11:42] <gdh> Yep I'll wait :)
[11:42] <nyn> Hi. I'm a newcomer to kubuntu. I've seen that there there is a new kde, a "maintainance release" and was wondering it is worth installing. My main priority is stability. If this release fix previous bugs great, but is it likely to break something? I'm on Hoary and have no intention to move to the unstable branch...
[11:46] <jpowers> nyn: my experience of 3.4.1 has been positive.  I don't know what changes came in 3.4.2, though.
[11:46] <jpowers> nyn: I do know that kuser actually works in 3.4.1, which is pretty important to me.
[11:47] <insanekane> jpowers: LOL :) 
[11:47] <nyn> i'm only intererested if there is no risk of breakage whatsoever... the point is to make it more stable (it still crashes on me quite often), not the other way around... :)
[11:49] <pakos> i've upgraded to 3.4.2 today, seems to be ok (at least konversation ;-) ). i think they fixed for example the kopete icq transport
[11:49] <jpowers> oh
[11:49] <jpowers> hmm
[11:49] <ToyMan> pakos: once i've downloaded a deb package, how do I install?
[11:49] <jpowers> I've been running kopete svn
[11:50] <ToyMan> it's been too many years since i've used a debian distro
[11:50] <nyn> dpkg -i <deb file>
[11:50] <pakos> ToyMan: sudo dpkg -i <packagename>
[11:50] <ToyMan> thanks
[11:51] <ToyMan> damn that's nice and slick
[11:52] <ToyMan> anyone here try win4linpro yet?
[11:52] <nyn> i have a problem with charsets in kmail... i hoping that maybe that would be fixed (if it's not a configuration issue on my system) in this release... 
[11:53] <nyn> anyway, last time i used kde it was really hell, everything was so brittle, i'm kind of traumatized... i'm really tired of having to fix things. now that it all seems a bit more stable, i'll not take any risks. wait for breezy...