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jsgotangco | hello | 08:19 |
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jsgotangco | venda: chill | 08:22 |
venda | morn jsgotangco | 08:23 |
jsgotangco | venda: im not in favor of railroading either | 08:23 |
venda | well then say so, don't beat around the bush | 08:24 |
jsgotangco | (i was actually non-existant in the meeting last night because of my connection | 08:24 |
venda | I saw that, I read the log | 08:24 |
jsgotangco | badly lagged | 08:24 |
venda | I did not see anything on the agenda worth meeting for | 08:25 |
venda | the main item seemed to be about localhelp | 08:25 |
venda | a discussion that was not even attempted properly on the list | 08:25 |
venda | and which it seems is being politically forced down everyones throats | 08:26 |
venda | The idea is good, it's just the way they are going about it that is ticking me off | 08:26 |
jsgotangco | i would worry more about the content rather than the front for now | 08:26 |
jsgotangco | our content is almost non-existant | 08:26 |
jsgotangco | at the moment | 08:27 |
venda | eactly | 08:27 |
venda | if Matthew wants to write and be a help he should do so on the current objectives | 08:27 |
venda | smae goes for Burgundavia | 08:27 |
venda | not derail current focus | 08:27 |
venda | rob^: has done great work | 08:28 |
venda | and mpt and Burgundavia can fork, but if they do then they should not defocus the teams | 08:28 |
jsgotangco | jeff and i are slowly builing the styleguide | 08:28 |
venda | and work on edubuntu is moving forward | 08:29 |
venda | it takes time | 08:29 |
venda | and focus | 08:29 |
jsgotangco | it does | 08:29 |
venda | I am very busy now and not paying attention | 08:29 |
venda | so I play catchup | 08:29 |
venda | but when I see this kind of negative political behaviour it makes me wonder | 08:30 |
jdub | venda: i missed the meeting too; what's the 'localhelp' stuff you're concerned about? | 08:30 |
venda | See launch pad | 08:30 |
jsgotangco | launchpad? | 08:31 |
venda | https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/products/ubuntu-help | 08:31 |
jsgotangco | oh jeezz | 08:32 |
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venda | I don't mind the fact that they forked FAQ Guide. That is their choice. | 08:33 |
venda | I even think that the idea of the outline is good | 08:33 |
venda | I don't think it should be outside svn | 08:33 |
venda | I don't think it should position itself as the defacto for ubuntu-help | 08:34 |
jsgotangco | faqguide? i agree | 08:34 |
venda | I don't think it should impact on license | 08:34 |
venda | I don't think it should be defocusing the docteam from DocteamProjects | 08:35 |
venda | There is space for localhelp and faqguide in the distro | 08:35 |
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venda | morn rob^ | 08:36 |
rob^ | hey venda | 08:36 |
rob^ | I take it you got the email? | 08:36 |
highvoltage | hi venda | 08:36 |
jsgotangco | jdub: busy? | 08:37 |
jdub | this is what has been discussed for ages; the document-as-front-page thing | 08:41 |
jdub | jsgotangco: yeah | 08:42 |
jsgotangco | jdub: ok i just wanted to ask you what can you suggest on a conference presentation geared towards corporate adoption | 08:43 |
venda | jdub: no we have discussed that the structure should change | 08:43 |
venda | jdub: not that a document will replace it | 08:43 |
venda | jdub: we do not see it the way mpt and Burgundavia have put it | 08:44 |
venda | jdub: rob^ has indicated what we have in mind and I know that most of the team agrees with that approach | 08:47 |
venda | jdub: I like the locahelp outline, but I don't see it as the frontpage of help in Ubuntu | 08:47 |
venda | jdub: localhelp is jus one more document type from which users can read to get help | 08:48 |
venda | jdub: localhelp should share level 1 in the help system along with faqguide, quickguide, userguide etc | 08:48 |
venda | jdub: not take precedence over | 08:49 |
venda | jdub: in addition it should be an integral part of docteam work, not an external | 08:49 |
venda | jdub: the license issue. GPL is not a documentation licesne | 08:50 |
venda | GFDL is | 08:50 |
venda | As for the debian argument, I fail to see how debain will use ubuntu localhelp as the default for their own help :-) | 08:51 |
venda | Debian just uses their own or that of upstream | 08:52 |
venda | such as gnome | 08:52 |
venda | or kde | 08:52 |
jsgotangco | i'd rather do upstream work for that (which i plan in the future) | 08:52 |
venda | jsgotangco: I sometimes think of moving upstream altogether :-) | 08:53 |
jdub | venda: the point of the document-as-front-page is to link to all the available documentation; but i'm not going to argue about the specifics | 08:56 |
jdub | jsgotangco: (it's highly likely that GNOME will shift to this style of front page in the near future) | 08:57 |
jdub | jsgotangco: (rather than just the ooky index) | 08:57 |
jsgotangco | jdub: i don't argue with that part of the front page really...yelp is what we have at the moment and the document as front page is the best workaround we currently have imo | 08:58 |
jdub | i wouldn't describe it as a workaround (for the front page of a help browser - there are a lot of other issues that need to be fixed that are unrelated to that) | 08:59 |
jsgotangco | ah | 09:00 |
venda | jdub: we have not agreed that help should use the outline here | 09:04 |
venda | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LocalHelp?highlight=%28localhelp%29 | 09:04 |
venda | people do not agree that the outline here should be what is the front page | 09:04 |
venda | the number of topics in that outline is never ending | 09:05 |
venda | and topics are often inter-related | 09:05 |
jsgotangco | yeah i told them before its too long for a front page though | 09:06 |
venda | what they are trying too do is do a google type of categorization project | 09:06 |
venda | so why not just use google | 09:06 |
rob^ | jsgotangco, yes, as have I | 09:06 |
venda | the solution to rapid information retrieval is not another doc. It needs a technological soclution | 09:07 |
jsgotangco | our current work are books in structure, but it doesn't mean they should be written like books | 09:07 |
venda | search and idex | 09:07 |
jdub | venda: you'll note that the proposal specifically raises search and index, and how it is related to the spec | 09:07 |
jdub | jsgotangco: right, but that has to be solved differently (and the doc that contains the front page could actually contain the non-book documentation, too) | 09:08 |
venda | yes, but that is ok, its just that throwing one more document at an information organization and location problem is not the solution | 09:08 |
venda | jdub: how long do you think that outline is going to get | 09:09 |
jdub | venda: perhaps not to a problem that you are making up | 09:09 |
venda | just off the top of my head I can add another 30 topic | 09:09 |
jdub | but a crafted front page is a great way to introduce the help browser | 09:09 |
jdub | which is the problem mpt is solving | 09:09 |
venda | [09:02] <jdub> venda: perhaps not to a problem that you are making up | 09:10 |
venda | jdub: me and others in the team | 09:10 |
venda | I don't stand alone in feeling that this is not the way to go | 09:10 |
jdub | you didn't define the problem, you just stated that another document is not a solution | 09:10 |
venda | dude we have done that in th epast a few times | 09:10 |
jdub | the problem being solved is the not-entirely-user-worthy front page of yelp | 09:10 |
venda | and the last mesages have indicated what people think | 09:11 |
venda | jdub: you want to fix the problem then develop a proper help/documentation viewing system | 09:12 |
venda | jdub: don't throw another doc at it | 09:12 |
jdub | this solves a small problem in a simple fashion in a small amount of time | 09:12 |
venda | the outline of that do is going to be huge | 09:12 |
jdub | and regardless of the immediate problem, the help browser will need a crafted front page anyway | 09:13 |
venda | and who decides what does in that outline | 09:13 |
venda | how many cooks will keep that outline organized | 09:13 |
rob^ | everytime we change something in one of the docs, we are going to have to check the front page to make sure we are not breaking anything | 09:13 |
rob^ | what a pain | 09:13 |
venda | I give it a few months and the ouline there will be a mess | 09:13 |
venda | jdub: we have read and seen mpt's solution | 09:14 |
venda | jdub: we have given it considerable thjought | 09:14 |
jdub | i don't imagine all of those entries will be on it, nor do i see more being added (it specifically notes that they will be removed) | 09:14 |
venda | jdub: it is a start in the direction we need, but it is not the solutiuon we need | 09:14 |
jdub | it's a short term solution for a small problem | 09:15 |
venda | jdub: who will be the judge of that | 09:15 |
venda | jdub: an ugly hack that is not the solution, but just a bigger problem | 09:15 |
jdub | okay, so, tell me what the front page of a help browser would be if it were not a crafted document | 09:16 |
venda | jdub: what is stopping developers from improving yelp itself | 09:16 |
jdub | it is not stopping improvement of yelp | 09:16 |
venda | that was not the question | 09:16 |
jdub | (in fact, it's pushing it along) | 09:16 |
venda | why do developers not develop more on the existing yelp | 09:17 |
venda | why do they not change it to solve the problems | 09:17 |
jsgotangco | " Until then, it should contain no more than about a dozen subtopics." | 09:17 |
jdub | this is a change designed to solve a problem | 09:17 |
jsgotangco | fine with me | 09:17 |
venda | jdub: who decides the limits | 09:17 |
venda | who decides what is the toc and what is not | 09:17 |
jdub | we do, based on what we perceive our users need | 09:18 |
venda | jdub: there is not limit | 09:18 |
venda | jdub: we don't even know what they need | 09:18 |
jdub | some are usefully obvious, like "what's new in <current version>" | 09:18 |
jdub | that's why we think critically, hypothesise, and make changes based on feedback | 09:19 |
rob^ | jdub, at the moment thats not whats happening | 09:19 |
jdub | the current list is already based on what we know of our users | 09:19 |
venda | jdub: hmm, and al animals are equal but some are more equal than others | 09:19 |
jdub | (note that i don't believe it's final) | 09:19 |
jdub | welcome to user-centric software design | 09:20 |
jdub | it's hard | 09:20 |
jdub | there's no system | 09:20 |
venda | jdub: I would suggest you ask the users? | 09:20 |
venda | jdub: nobody has asked them | 09:20 |
jdub | well, two answers to that: | 09:21 |
jsgotangco | *ahem* we do receive feedback on the list one way or another | 09:21 |
jdub | a) users won't give immediately useful answers | 09:21 |
venda | jdub: mpt and Burgundavia with a bit of input from some doc people have sucked their thumbs and decided for the mass | 09:21 |
jdub | b) what's there is inferred and analysed from existing users | 09:21 |
rob^ | venda, thats how I see it | 09:21 |
jdub | right, and that's what needs to be done to move forward | 09:21 |
jdub | then we iterate and improve | 09:21 |
venda | jdub: do perform user centric design you need to advertise to users and show them what you mean and request input | 09:22 |
jdub | (my first thought is that the language could be clearer, which i'll have to suggest) | 09:22 |
jdub | well, for a start, that will happen (to a degree) as soon as it lands | 09:23 |
venda | jdub: I must go now. But I have said what I think, if it counts, and I think others have also indictated disatisfaction with the approach to work method and the solution being presented. | 09:23 |
jdub | secondly, this sort of thing can be tested without even landing the changes | 09:23 |
jdub | but before you do user testing, you have to design something to test | 09:24 |
venda | right, but with input from a design team which is not happening | 09:24 |
jdub | as far as i can see, mpt and corey are the design team | 09:25 |
jdub | and i'm sure they'll accept feedback with good rationale | 09:25 |
venda | jdub: they forked FAQGUide and because people did not agree | 09:25 |
venda | jdub: they then just forced this approach | 09:25 |
jdub | i don't believe that's the sum total of what this line of action means | 09:25 |
venda | jdub: its all in the lists and the logs | 09:25 |
venda | jdub: it does not have to be. But mpt and Burgundavia are very dictatorial over what happens | 09:26 |
venda | which is leaving people with a bad taste | 09:26 |
venda | defocuing the team | 09:26 |
venda | and fragmenting the effort | 09:27 |
jdub | ah yes, dictatorial bad taste | 09:27 |
venda | if we did not have issues we would not be discusing them' | 09:27 |
venda | people, other than myself, have voiced concern | 09:27 |
venda | and they have been brushed off | 09:28 |
jsgotangco | i could understand Burgundavia's case but mpt just sprang up all of a sudden | 09:28 |
venda | the approach at present smacks of railroading | 09:28 |
venda | jsgotangco: we all see Burgundavia case | 09:28 |
venda | jsgotangco: we even agree with him in many points | 09:29 |
jsgotangco | but not the methodologies | 09:29 |
venda | but in the sapce of two days it was bagged and balled | 09:29 |
venda | taken as that is the way it will be | 09:29 |
venda | like it or love it | 09:29 |
venda | argue and we will cut you off at the knees | 09:30 |
venda | Oh and just to make sure we will do it all outside of the current structures | 09:30 |
jsgotangco | yes just like the crusades... | 09:30 |
venda | fuck all of you is written all over this | 09:30 |
venda | well my day in the real world must begin | 09:30 |
venda | later | 09:31 |
jsgotangco | *whew* | 09:31 |
jdub | that dude has so much bile | 09:31 |
rob^ | yes | 09:32 |
rob^ | but there is a reason behind it | 09:32 |
jsgotangco | changes are good but we don't need a revolution | 09:32 |
rob^ | jsgotangco, agreed | 09:32 |
jdub | sounds like everyones assuming the worst | 09:33 |
jsgotangco | hmm no not really | 09:33 |
jsgotangco | i really like to change the front page really | 09:33 |
rob^ | as would most people | 09:33 |
jsgotangco | but we'd like to be "in the know" at least of what's the master plan | 09:33 |
rob^ | but we feel like we are being forced into something we haven't discussed or agreed to | 09:33 |
jdub | rob^: sure, but if you assume you're being forced, you're going to argue against it, everyone's going to get emotional, and no one's going to be focusing on settling problems :) | 09:34 |
rob^ | jdub, I would like to settle the problems, but I'd at least like some input into the settling | 09:35 |
jdub | "I call again for people to focus on writing the docs and ignore the noise." <- totally the wrong strategy | 09:35 |
jsgotangco | well its august next week and a lot of docs still needs love... | 09:36 |
jdub | rob^: stoffers? | 09:37 |
rob^ | jdub, yes | 09:38 |
jdub | just read your mail | 09:38 |
jsgotangco | hmmm why did he cc mako he's on the list anyways | 09:39 |
rob^ | he feels strongly about it | 09:40 |
jsgotangco | Life at Kubuntu is much easier and not as | 09:40 |
jsgotangco | politically or religiously charged as ubuntu. | 09:40 |
jsgotangco | i hate it when he says that | 09:40 |
jdub | it's needlessly and purposefully divisive | 09:41 |
highvoltage | *sigh* | 09:41 |
jsgotangco | jdub: i agree | 09:41 |
jsgotangco | highvoltage: welcome to an ordinary day at #ubuntu-doc heh | 09:42 |
jsgotangco | jdub: what do you suggest for a conference Ubuntu presentation geared towards community and corporate types? Advocacy? Technology? | 09:45 |
jdub | you've seen my ones? | 09:47 |
jdub | hrm, wonder which are up now | 09:47 |
jdub | http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/2005/ubuntu-on-the-desktop/ | 09:48 |
jdub | seen that one? | 09:48 |
rob^ | jdub, that one is quite good, bit dated though | 09:48 |
rob^ | well.. now anyway | 09:49 |
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jsgotangco | jdub: i've seen those and plan to incorporate them | 09:49 |
jsgotangco | well mordernize it a bit | 09:50 |
jsgotangco | jdub: i sure wish i can still get a hold of the raw image used for the CD cover though it will help a lot with making paraphernalia... | 10:00 |
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mdke | oh great | 11:25 |
jsgotangco | welcome mr. barrister | 11:26 |
mdke | this team is not a team at all | 11:27 |
jsgotangco | yeah we're better off with a steamroller i guess | 11:27 |
mdke | the crazy thing is that this sort of problem is easy to resolve | 11:28 |
mdke | we have two divisive factions, both of which aren't remotely interested in resolving matters through communication | 11:28 |
jsgotangco | please elaborate | 11:29 |
mdke | its up to us stuck in the middle to try | 11:29 |
mdke | erm | 11:29 |
mdke | ok elaborate | 11:30 |
mdke | after breakfast tho | 11:30 |
jsgotangco | duhh | 11:30 |
jsgotangco | im leaving in half an hour to try to catch up on the edubuntu meeting at 12utc | 11:31 |
mdke | k | 11:31 |
jsgotangco | mdke, let's just start Ubuntu-legal | 11:32 |
jsgotangco | i'll be your paralegal | 11:32 |
mdke | well rob^ is right that corey and matt haven't gone about this the right way, which is to look for team consensus. | 11:32 |
mdke | however froud is way divisive too | 11:32 |
mdke | his reaction is "let's not talk about this" | 11:33 |
mdke | we need to figure out how to make a team here | 11:33 |
jsgotangco | having sane people would be a good start | 11:34 |
mdke | well we have some ;) | 11:34 |
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mdke | btw can i change the subject? | 11:34 |
jsgotangco | sure | 11:34 |
mdke | launchpad group | 11:34 |
mdke | nice idea | 11:34 |
jsgotangco | heh the WIKI team had one | 11:34 |
jsgotangco | what the heck why cant UDP | 11:35 |
jsgotangco | at least i said "Project" not "Team" | 11:35 |
jsgotangco | heh | 11:35 |
mdke | however, the main purpose of a group would be ultimately to control permissions IMO, like to a baz or svn repo, i think the group should be limited to those with commit access | 11:35 |
mdke | just an idea | 11:35 |
jsgotangco | all the people in the group? | 11:36 |
mdke | well as i see it the whole purpose of launchpad groups is to deal with permissions to do stuff | 11:36 |
jsgotangco | ok you lost me | 11:37 |
jsgotangco | permissions to what | 11:37 |
mdke | ok for example | 11:37 |
mdke | if you want to translate in rosetta you can only make suggestions right? | 11:37 |
mdke | unless you are a member of the translation group for a particular language | 11:37 |
jsgotangco | hmmm right | 11:37 |
mdke | the same applies to other groups | 11:38 |
jsgotangco | (which reminds me i should make a translation group for ours) | 11:38 |
mdke | ubuntu backporters get to upload to the backport repo, ubuntu gnome team get to work on gnome projects, etc etc | 11:38 |
jsgotangco | mdke, assuming our work is in launchpad? | 11:38 |
mdke | jsgotangco, it might not be in launchpad, but it might easily one day be controlled by launchpad | 11:39 |
mdke | e.g. commit access is granted by accession to the group in launchpad | 11:39 |
mdke | i see that as the main reason for making a group | 11:39 |
jsgotangco | hmm but launchpad currently has only 2 access modes | 11:40 |
jsgotangco | member and admin | 11:40 |
mdke | no, no | 11:40 |
mdke | membership of a particular group gives certain rights | 11:40 |
mdke | e.g. rosetta administrators can upload po files or whatever | 11:40 |
jsgotangco | ah alright i think i get your idea | 11:40 |
mdke | bazaar developers can upload their patches | 11:40 |
mdke | etc etc | 11:40 |
mdke | MOTU can upload theirs, and close bugs or whatever | 11:41 |
mdke | i _think_ that is the idea | 11:41 |
jsgotangco | well yes by design of launchpad it makes sense | 11:41 |
jsgotangco | hmm | 11:41 |
jsgotangco | btw | 11:41 |
jsgotangco | i got invited to do a talk on LinuxWorld Philippines | 11:41 |
mdke | that's been distorted a bit recently by the creation of random reams like new user network | 11:41 |
mdke | reams/teams | 11:42 |
jsgotangco | ahhh right | 11:42 |
mdke | but i think that is the idea | 11:42 |
jsgotangco | it does make sense for uploading teams though | 11:42 |
jsgotangco | but then we have Ubuntu Members | 11:42 |
mdke | yes | 11:42 |
mdke | and eventually being in that team will also give certain rights | 11:42 |
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mdke | like email addresses or whatever else | 11:43 |
jsgotangco | i think the email address thing will be automated in launchpad once membership for a certain person is approved | 11:43 |
mdke | anyway, just an idea for the future | 11:43 |
mdke | yep | 11:43 |
jsgotangco | and will let members adjust their accounts accordingly | 11:44 |
mdke | anyway the team is moderated so you can think about it | 11:44 |
jsgotangco | i can make anyone an admin if needed | 11:45 |
jsgotangco | it just happened i created the team | 11:45 |
mdke | keep just you IMHO | 11:45 |
jsgotangco | ok | 11:45 |
jsgotangco | btw | 11:45 |
jsgotangco | how was your ceremony | 11:45 |
mdke | it was ok | 11:46 |
mdke | i'm now a lawyer | 11:46 |
jsgotangco | you should have celebrated by suing someone | 11:46 |
jsgotangco | *joke* | 11:46 |
mdke | not a bad idea... | 11:46 |
mdke | i can't practice though for another year | 11:46 |
jsgotangco | why so? | 11:46 |
mdke | i need to do a year of training before I'm fully qualified | 11:46 |
jsgotangco | err doesn't make you technically unemployed as a lawyer | 11:47 |
jsgotangco | that | 11:47 |
mdke | yes | 11:47 |
mdke | i start my year of training in october | 11:47 |
mdke | ooh launchpad has timezones for members now... | 11:47 |
mdke | cool | 11:47 |
jsgotangco | yeah | 11:47 |
jsgotangco | hrmm | 11:47 |
jsgotangco | ubuntite? | 11:48 |
mdke | Timezone: Europe/London | 11:48 |
mdke | ok i gtg | 11:49 |
mdke | have fun! | 11:49 |
jsgotangco | me too | 11:49 |
jsgotangco | see you later | 11:49 |
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jsgotangco | hey jjesse | 03:11 |
jjesse | hiya jsgotangco | 03:13 |
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jsgotangco | enrico: long time no chat! | 03:20 |
enrico | jsgotangco: eh. at the moment I'm busy reinstalling the home sevrer | 03:22 |
jsgotangco | hope everything is well with you | 03:24 |
jjesse | why do all the ubuntu servers take so $#@$#$$ long to load web pages for me | 03:31 |
jsgotangco | mmm | 03:32 |
jsgotangco | ask elmo i guess | 03:32 |
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jsgotangco | greets mgalvin | 03:45 |
mgalvin | hi jsgotangco | 03:48 |
mgalvin | hi all | 03:48 |
jjesse | hiya mgalvin | 03:49 |
mgalvin | hey jjesse | 04:01 |
mgalvin | been busy past few days... rob^ went to town on the faqguide :) | 04:02 |
mgalvin | rob^: kudos :) | 04:02 |
jjesse | hey KUDOS is the Kubuntu User Guide :) | 04:03 |
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jjesse | hiya rob^ | 06:58 |
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rob^ | ping mpt | 07:25 |
mpt | rob^: pong | 07:26 |
rob^ | hey | 07:26 |
rob^ | I have been having a good look at your proposal for the yelp front page | 07:27 |
rob^ | I think what you have there are some pretty good ideas | 07:27 |
mpt | cool | 07:27 |
mpt | I have some comments on your proposal too, but not sure where to post them | 07:27 |
mpt | If I put them on the wiki page itself, the comments would be larger than the original :-) | 07:28 |
rob^ | heh | 07:28 |
rob^ | I think the idea that help should be about "help" and less about books is a good one | 07:28 |
mpt | mmm | 07:28 |
rob^ | the main problem I have is that of rail roading | 07:30 |
mpt | rail roading? | 07:30 |
rob^ | not on your behalf | 07:30 |
rob^ | but on behalf of corey | 07:30 |
rob^ | I was recently the recipient of much of this myself and as such looked at your proposal with "cloudy eyes" | 07:31 |
rob^ | what you have is actually pretty good | 07:32 |
mpt | I don't mean to jump on anyone's toes | 07:33 |
rob^ | no | 07:33 |
rob^ | I realise that | 07:33 |
mpt | Hmm, I need to rply to that "Future direction thread" :-) | 08:07 |
rob^ | heh | 08:07 |
rob^ | originaly the FAQ was licenced under the GPL | 08:07 |
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rob^ | the reason we have it as BY-SA and GFDL is that the original authors agreed to let us use it under that | 08:08 |
rob^ | ubuntuguide.org that is | 08:08 |
rob^ | I doubt they would have a problem if we wanted to also use it under the GPL | 08:10 |
rob^ | but yeah, group debate is needed | 08:10 |
rob^ | well, I'm off to bed | 08:12 |
rob^ | night mpt, thanks for the talk | 08:12 |
mpt | g'night | 08:18 |
mdke | <3 | 08:21 |
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mpt | mdke: ? | 08:22 |
mdke | was worried the team love was getting at a low ebb | 08:24 |
mdke | glad you two are gonna get your heads together | 08:24 |
mpt | We're a dysfunctional family, but full of love | 08:24 |
mdke | heh | 08:24 |
mdke | like the simpsons | 08:25 |
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mpt | I thought Miguel had made it famous | 08:25 |
mpt | ah, it's "You can now flame me, I am full of love" | 08:26 |
mpt | http://everything2.com/?node_id=1084835 | 08:28 |
mgalvin | not sure if it matters much since debian will accept the by-sa lic soon anyway, but i have no objects to moving the powerpc.ubuntuguide.org content that i wrote to use GPL, we would still need chua's consent as well though | 08:31 |
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jjesse | in regards to my email yesterday on previewing docs is there a way in Kubuntu that I can preview docs before i upload them to svn? | 09:07 |
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mpt | yay freenode | 09:15 |
mpt | mgalvin: the importance of the GPL is that it lets beautifully-written help sentences be moved from the help into the actual GUI of the relevant software, vastly increasing their effectiveness. | 09:16 |
mgalvin | mpt: I see the light :) like i said i have no objects to using the g GPL, i am really not that picky about it and if it will make the docs more useful then +2 | 09:30 |
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