=== decaf [mehmet@81.213.242.43] has left #ubuntu-kernel ["Leaving"] [06:15] morning === JaneW [~JaneW@wbs-146-161-36.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [08:33] morning JaneW :) [08:36] hello === JaneW tries to be more in time for fabbione today... [08:38] JaneW: eheh don't worry my far far away lovely lady :) [08:38] i don't think i will upload a kernel today [08:38] for 3 reasons: [08:38] 1) it's friday and you never break stuff on friday [08:39] 2) in 7 hours i will start my holidays [08:39] 3) i won't be able to test all the changes before 2 === desrt is reminded [08:39] JaneW: speaking of 2).. i need somebody to take care of my students.... [08:39] hey desrt [08:40] 'sup? [08:40] desrt: did you grab my patch for gentoovision? [08:40] oh no [08:40] where is it? [08:40] http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/gentoovision_random_o.diff [08:40] oo [08:40] changelog: [08:40] * add first cut for randomization [08:40] * compile with gcc-snapshot [08:40] * use random -O to break the code better [08:41] * reduce the compile time to 200ms [08:41] i mean.. they RUN FAST! [08:41] k. i seriously want actual build log support [08:41] fabbione: glad to hear about all 3 reasons, but especially 1 :) [08:41] plus.. i got some suggestions from #gnome-hackers [08:41] we should have an option to emulate different CPU types [08:41] btw.. gtk_timeout_add is "dangerous" [08:41] it tends to segfault [08:42] hm. has never done so for me. [08:42] desrt: ehehe that too [08:42] fabbione: re your students, how long will you be gone again? A week or 2 right? Can you suggest someone appropriate to fill for you there? [08:42] 2... [08:42] desrt: it does for me if i reduce the time to 100ms [08:42] oh no. your patch rejected :P [08:42] JaneW: suggesting? [08:43] i cleaned up the source a lot compared with the one you made the changes to :P [08:43] JaneW: hmmm... [08:43] desrt: put it in a RCS :) [08:43] desrt: but i think we should have 2 runtime options.. --random | --use-reallog .. or something like that [08:44] i agree [08:44] JaneW: i would probably suggest infinity .. but he is awake now.. so he will complain.. === fabbione points the finger at jbailey [08:44] are you a C programmer? [08:44] desrt: not really.. i don't write code on a regular base, so it's always rusty and hackish [08:45] it's valid for a function to return char * [08:45] you don't have to cast to int then back to char * again [08:45] desrt: tell that to gcc-4.0 :) [08:45] desrt@moonpix:~/code/desrt/gentoovision$ gcc -o gentoovision gentoovision.c `pkg-config --cflags --libs gtk+-2.0` -Wall [08:45] desrt@moonpix:~/code/desrt/gentoovision$ [08:45] i made the change to your code... no complaint here [08:45] hahah. gcc-snapshot [08:45] i love it :) [08:45] desrt: gcc --version ? [08:46] gcc (GCC) 4.0.2 20050720 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.1-2ubuntu3) [08:46] Copyright 2005 Free Software Foundation, Inc. [08:46] Ce logiciel est libre; voir les sources pour les conditions de copie. Il n'y a PAS [08:46] GARANTIE; ni implicite pour le MARCHANDAGE ou pour un BUT PARTICULIER. [08:46] skip the french :) [08:47] http://manic.desrt.ca/gentoovision.c [08:47] w/ your changes, plus some minor changes to them -- no warnings [08:48] i see... [08:48] good [08:48] btw. the memset isn't required... sprintf will add the proper termination [08:49] desrt: i prefer to wipe the memory... [08:49] i am just paranoid about string handling. [08:50] i think i am going to write a buildlog capture utility now :) [08:51] perl is best, i suspect :) [08:52] oh man.. perl makes getting high resolution timing information a pain in the butt [09:05] Nafallo: ping? [09:21] oh man [09:21] i got awesomeness [09:21] uh? [09:22] http://manic.desrt.ca/gentoovision.tar.gz [09:23] compile gentoovision.c like normal and run it out of the current directory [09:23] (ie: so that libwnck.log is in the cwd) [09:23] gentoovision/gentoovision.c.rej [09:23] eh [09:23] your diff is in there too [09:23] i just tarred up what i had :) [09:24] ahaha cool [09:24] this is what i want :) [09:24] btw.. build logs gzip down to about 10% of their original size [09:25] we should still consider doing some sed on the logs [09:25] for -O and gcc-snapshot :P [09:25] :) [09:25] yes [09:25] dude you should put it in a RCS [09:25] where? [09:25] so we can work on it together.. after my VAC [09:26] RCS= cvs.. svn.. baz.. tla... [09:26] i don't think we have anywhere that we both have accounts [09:26] desrt: if we use baz we don't need to share an account [09:26] i think it's final home will be gnome cvs [09:26] we can just publish our branches [09:26] *its [09:26] k. i refuse to use baz for something like this :P [09:26] oh ok.. well i don't have access there [09:26] for small stuff it's fun to use :) [09:27] (./configure --prefix=/opt/gnome; make -j3) 2>&1 | ~/code/desrt/gentoovision/time.pl > logfile [09:27] ^^ this is how you generate the logs with timing info [09:27] desrt: i can give you the debian/ dir once it's ready... [09:27] cool === doko [~doko___@dsl-084-059-075-088.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [09:28] but i think i want to upload this upstream [09:28] but again.. we need to share at least one RCS :/ [09:28] i don't want to start fiddling with patches [09:28] it's a pain [09:28] (still after my holidays) [09:28] i'm gonna talk to the gnome-screensaver maintainer [09:28] nod :) [09:28] where are you going, btw? [09:28] oh well.. if you get it in there directly the better [09:28] i will stay home... have to work in and outside the house [09:29] painting/doing walls and stuff [09:29] but i won't be spending time in here [09:29] i should talk to sebastien and find out if breezy will use gnome-screensaver or xscreensaver by default [09:29] cool === doko [~doko___@dsl-084-059-075-088.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [09:29] it's good to get away from work [09:29] ehheh [09:29] well i work from home! [09:29] there is no such a thing like going away :( [09:29] right... but to completely cut yourself off and refuse to do anything work-related [09:30] how long have you been working for ubuntu anyway? [09:30] from the beginning [09:30] how did you get involved? [09:30] hehh.. i got a mail from Mark, asking me if he could phone me [09:30] i almost trashed it as spam [09:31] hmm. why did he email you, though? [09:31] but i was like.. nah.. let's see [09:31] somebody mentioned me to him [09:31] and it's some sort of nostalgic reasons [09:31] cool :) [09:31] he was one of the first apache1.3 maintainers in Debian [09:31] were you a kernel hacker before? [09:31] or debian guy? [09:31] and i have been maintaing for a while ... [09:31] debian guy [09:32] than we did build the apache team [09:32] took down the bugs from > 200 down to 46 [09:32] ubuntu has a nice mix of people [09:32] after that i got too busy again [09:32] and now is up to 100 and something again i think [09:32] i didn't do an upload in ages [09:32] desrt: i am a royal bastard.. how can you say that i am nice! [09:33] you are ruining my reputation! :P [09:33] i wasn't talking about you [09:33] :) [09:33] ah ok thanks :) === fabbione feels better [09:33] i'd love to work for ubuntu if i had any time :P [09:34] desrt: ehe you are already doing your sharing of stuff [09:34] all the time you spent with me for the kernel headers and stuff... [09:34] idiotify... [09:34] hahah [09:34] that's hell of a lot of work for a volunteer... [09:34] i mean more seriously though [09:34] my dream is to upload :) [09:34] you mean that the kernel is not serious enough for you? ;) [09:35] desrt: ehehe... start joining the MOTU's [09:35] ya.. crimsun tried to get me involved with that [09:35] it's a good place to start with [09:35] well actually.. the only place [09:35] :) [09:36] but again... i'll only say that i wish i had the time [09:37] my boss is already annoyed that i spend too much time working on gnome, etc [09:37] he's totally good-natured about it, though [09:37] i understand that... [09:38] he says things like "but don't you find the kernel to be SO MUCH more exciting than messing around with gtk?" [09:40] ehheheh [09:40] actually... i suppose i can count the kernel-related stuff we've done as work-related [09:40] since that -is- my job [09:41] i feel a little better already :) [09:41] well you can still hack kernel stuff into ubuntu [09:41] and push stuff back [09:41] that's a valuable contribution [09:41] our stuff is pretty special-purpose [09:41] i wouldn't mind to merge from you stuff, if you do it [09:41] oh in that case yeah... [09:42] it's extremely high performance network drivers and a runtime system for a cluster [09:42] desrt: are they going to be GPL drivers? [09:42] yes [09:42] they have to be [09:42] well why not include them in ubuntu than... [09:42] at what stage is the code? [09:43] because they really serve no purpose to anyone who isn't hacking the kernel [09:43] i can send data across the network at full wire speed with approximately 0% CPU utilisation on both ends [09:43] that's cool [09:44] we have some nice evil hacks, too [09:44] to make the data receipt favourable [09:44] ie: it gets written directly into the memory where it will be used... with all of the junk like headers/checksums/etc conveniently stripped out [09:45] some nice scatter/gather tricks to make that work :) [09:45] are these drivers associated to special hw? [09:45] intel gigabit ethernet cards [09:45] oh.. kweel [09:45] today was christmas at work... i got 4 boxes of dualport cards [09:45] plus 30 gigs of ram [09:45] EHHEHE [09:45] ah [09:46] i wouldn't mind both :) [09:46] so now all the ram and pci slots on my powermacs are full [09:46] the only reason why i don't run gbic is the switch [09:46] a good one is way too expensive [09:47] ah... all of our links on the intel cards are point-to-point [09:47] gigabit is nice... it has automatic cross-over detection [09:47] yeah but i can't use p2p without tons of cards :) [09:48] + i use a lot vlans [09:48] so a switch is mandatory [09:48] we got a bunch of 8 port gigabit switches for $150 each, i think [09:48] but they don't do anything like vlan [09:48] just unmanaged dumb switches... the most they do is blink their lights :) [09:48] the smallest switch i have here is a Cisco 2924 [09:48] yeah and i don't like stuff like that [09:48] this is in your home? :) [09:49] i need managed :) [09:49] yes [09:49] hahah [09:49] wow. i have an 8 port 10/100 here :P [09:49] i feel so ghetto [09:49] let me take a pic :) [09:50] oh btw.. can i nuke your account on copacetic? [09:51] desrt: sure.. go ahead.. [09:51] i tough i told you last time... [09:51] hm. i may have missed the message [09:52] http://www.fabbione.net/new_office.jpg [09:52] http://www.fabbione.net/new_office2.jpg [09:52] this is after last weekend [09:52] with a lot of cleanup [09:52] holy crap [09:52] how many channels are you on? [09:52] what you can't see in the pics is all the other equipment hidden behind me [09:52] still unconnected [09:53] 15/16 [09:53] not that many [09:53] but i use different client sessions for each network [09:53] is that a sun switch or rackmount server? [09:53] server [09:53] heh [09:53] it's the Ubuntu sparc buildd :) [09:54] l33t. [09:54] woh [09:54] what crazy country do you live in? [09:54] dk [09:54] why? [09:54] weird plugs [09:54] oh yeah [09:55] btw: smoking will kill you :) [09:55] so does bitching smokers :P [09:55] desrt: btw.. the plug you see in pic 2 with 3 pins in a raw is italian [09:55] not danish [09:55] it's funny that ubuntu sparc builds on a server sitting in a corner in your house [09:55] they look 6 because of the shade [09:56] there is another buildd in a uni in sweden [09:56] that's a little more normal [09:56] happen to know where ppc builds? [09:56] desrt: hosting here is too expensive [09:56] desrt: yes they are at the Lodon DC [09:56] like all the others [09:56] only sparc and hppa are not in the DataCenter [09:57] (..yet) [09:57] we had one of those ciscos at work until we got rid of it [09:57] it was too noisy [09:58] and it was seriously underutilised [09:59] these two pictures are taken at different times [09:59] deceit! [10:00] uh? [10:00] yeah the pics have been taken with a week difference [10:00] the first one was last sunday [10:00] as soon as i finished to cleanup === desrt takes a camera to work tomorrow :) [10:00] the ohter few minutes ago to show the server corner ;) [10:01] i have my 6 ubuntu servers in a row :) [10:01] gabriel, gorecki, velocity, cocteau, breezy, copacetic [10:01] ehhe [10:01] all ppc64? [10:01] copacetic is a PC [10:01] ah ok [10:01] it's the gateway [10:02] yup i recall that [10:02] and gabriel is my workstation [10:02] mine is still a mixture [10:02] they're both hoary [10:02] reinstalling my server is not an option right now [10:02] the other 4 (gorecki, velocity, cocteau, breezy) are all running breezy and accessible from inside only === chmj [~chmj@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [10:03] ok i need to start the build orgy... [10:03] :) [10:03] gimme a sec otherwise i will mess up like yesterday :) [10:03] er [10:03] didn't you say you weren't gonna break things on friday? :P [10:05] yay. i successfully played devil's advocate today and convinced an innocent ubuntu maintainer to break UVF :) [10:09] desrt: of course i am not breaking UVF [10:09] i didn't upload .13 .. [10:09] not you. someone else :P [10:10] well you see it's not strict strict... [10:10] there are still pkgs allowed to go higher versions [10:10] nod. flexible rules are the best [10:10] it will be stricter stricter close to release [10:10] who is matt? [10:10] mdz = CTO [10:10] God of Ubuntu [10:11] he approves freeze breaks? [10:11] heh [10:11] i thought that was mark :) [10:11] mark is Self Appointed Benevolent Dictator For Life [10:11] God of the Gods ;) [10:15] anyway.. a new version of hal is going in, it seems === fabbione sighs [10:16] and i may be evil enough to cause an even newer one :) [10:16] desrt: everything related to gnome will be updated to death [10:16] don't worry about it [10:16] that's good, at least === PBeck [~PBeck@85.216.57.246] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === PBeck [~PBeck@85.216.57.246] has left #ubuntu-kernel ["Verlassend"] [10:21] infinity: if you are around, please do a checkout from baz playground.. [10:21] infinity: we can look at the TODO list together === fabbione goes offline for the next 20 minutes... === JaneW [~JaneW@wbs-146-161-36.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #ubuntu-kernel ["Bye"] === welson [~bwelson@modemcable018.75-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [12:22] ok guys.. i just uploade 2.6.12-6.6 [12:22] i am going to do the baz dance after lunch [12:22] infinity: we need to talk after.. [12:23] there a way to turn off a second keyboard from inputting onto tty1? === welson [~bwelson@modemcable018.75-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #ubuntu-kernel ["Leaving"] === smurfix [~smurf@smurfix.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [01:20] fabbione: pong [01:21] Nafallo: your drivers have been updated.. [01:21] fabbione: nice. thank you :-). === ..[topic/#ubuntu-kernel:fabbione] : Ubuntu kernel development discussion ONLY | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelTeam | There are no kernel bugs.. only broken hardware | http://people.u.c/~lamont/Archives/kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/ playground: kernel-debian--preX,7--2.6.12 probably coming up soon [02:05] yoyo [02:07] Word. [02:09] just one sec that i did quite a lot for you [02:09] i upload 6.6 this morning [02:09] with all the most critical things updated [02:09] i added a debian/TODO for you [02:09] nothing too fancy... [02:10] just what to look after... [02:10] Cool. [02:11] we need to look at the TODO together... [02:12] just give me a minute that i had to recover ther kenrl baz archive [02:12] and i pre-preparing 6.7 for you === zul [~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [02:15] hey zul === ..[topic/#ubuntu-kernel:fabbione] : Ubuntu kernel development discussion ONLY | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelTeam | There are no kernel bugs.. only broken hardware | http://people.u.c/~lamont/Archives/kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/ playground: kernel-debian--preX,7--2.6.12 [02:17] infinity: ok can you please get the playground? === smurfix [~smurf@smurfix.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [02:29] infinity: dude?? [02:33] hey.. [02:33] why so many uploads? [02:34] zul: to leave a bit of peace to infinity whille i will be back [02:34] be VAC even [02:34] oh yeah where are you off to? [02:35] i am off to work at home for the next 2 weeks [02:35] ah [02:35] gotta finish dining room and hopefully bedroom too [02:36] doesnt sound like much of a vacation [02:36] my parents are coming to do the garden the room [02:36] no it's no real VAC [02:37] infinity: ill have some stuff to push to you this weekend as well [02:38] dont worry i wont break anything [02:38] like last time fabbione is away [02:39] i learned my lesson ;) [02:40] guys if you are going to break.. i won't come back :O [02:41] wohooo! :) === chmj takes note not to break anything [02:43] heehhe === infinity starts a baz get and goes to grab a drink. [03:37] fabbione : Right, I've read the TODO. Very informative. [03:38] i know :) [03:38] good.. i am already in holidays.. so you are fucked :) [03:42] lol [03:48] infinity: fabbione left you a present http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13075 [03:48] zul: not a bug [03:48] it's not the archive yet [03:48] that's the meta package [03:49] ah...damn it :) [03:49] ehehehe [03:49] Uploading meta before the real thing is considered harmful. [03:49] (I assume the real packages are stuck in NEW) [03:50] infinity: ENOCARE.. it's breezy and X has been broken for months.. if the kenel is not installable for 3 hours... tought luch [03:50] luck [03:51] they can all suck my left nut [03:51] oh did i mention that i am in holidays? [03:52] already ? [03:53] yeah [03:53] since 49 minutes :) [03:53] Then get off IRC, you dope. [03:53] nah [03:53] why? [03:53] its an addiction [03:54] i am going to mount my 2 m68k now [03:54] i am FREE until tomorrow at lunch.. time at which my wife will be back [03:54] Dude, that sounds really dirty. [03:54] I CAN NERD FOR FREE!!!! [03:54] use a condom if you are going to mount it [03:54] zul: them :) [03:54] hhahahha [03:55] infinity: should we bootstrap m68k breezy server? :P [03:56] Do your boxes have reasonable specs, or should i do it on one of mine? [03:56] infinity: they are the same as last time we talked :) [03:56] plenty of harddisk .. decent processor.. no ram [03:57] Yeah, no RAM == shit. [03:57] i know... [03:57] Especially for C++/ [03:57] send me some [03:57] Buy some. RAM is cheap. [03:57] ENOMONEY [03:57] i have a wife dude... [04:06] hah.. === lamont [~lamont@15.238.5.126] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [05:23] In file included from drivers/input/cpad/cpad.c:84: [05:23] drivers/input/cpad/kernel-compatibility.h:5:2: #error : kernel has no USB support. Compile kernel with CONFIG_USB. [05:23] that is a bug [05:24] uh? [05:24] what arch is that? [05:24] (CPAD should depend USB in Kconfig [05:24] yeah exactly... [05:24] that's easy to fix... [05:25] but i am in holidays.. [05:25] that's me ripping major pieces of kernel out of .config, slowly turning itanium into defconfig, trying to find the fatal option [05:25]