[12:14] <Kamion> mvo: actually, it turns out my test was faulty (I confused myself with the way the passthrough frontend works)
[12:14] <Kamion> mvo: on fixing the test, it all works just fine. :-)
[12:18] <mvo> Kamion: *rock* :)
[12:24] <Kamion> I have a pair of FIFOs by which I'm happily driving debconf by hand
[12:27] <tseng> if anyone is terribly concerned by this
[12:28] <tseng> https on the udu wiki takes you to the default vhost
[12:28] <tseng> which happens to be the presumably guarded launchpad wiki
[12:38] <sladen> tseng: somebody needs to shuffle the order of them in the httpd.conf so that www.ubuntu.com is the top one
[12:38] <tseng> sladen: exactly
[12:39] <tseng> sladen: the irony of ubuntu having chronically screwed up SSL
[12:39] <HiddenWolf> who is the guy developing bum?
[12:39] <baggins> what is it with all the codenames? why can't debian and its derivatives just count with version numbers like any normal project?
[12:40] <Kamion> tseng: the launchpad wiki's being opened up anyway
[12:40] <tseng> baggins: we have version numbers.
[12:40] <sladen> baggins: we do.  Ubuntu 5.10 is the next one
[12:40] <baggins> thanks
[12:40] <tseng> baggins: and so does debian.
[12:40] <tseng> sarge was 3.1
[12:40] <sladen> baggins: (which happens to be the month of release  2005-10)
[12:40] <tseng> Kamion: good news
[12:40] <baggins> warty? hoary? sarge? donald? roadrunner?
[12:40] <baggins> :P
[12:40] <baggins> ok
[12:41] <HiddenWolf> warty warthog, hoary hedgehog, breezy badger, grumpy groundhog
[12:41] <Kamion> (or at least, so I'm told)
[12:41] <HiddenWolf> and a few more in the pipeline. :)
[12:41] <baggins> blah
[12:41] <baggins> :P
[12:41] <baggins> are they just arbitrary?
[12:41] <sladen> it is easier (and cuter) for humans to remember names.  This is why we have DNS and domainname rather than typeing out numbers (which is what the computer does anyway)
[12:42] <Kamion> pretty arbitrary, yes
[12:42] <HiddenWolf> sladen, and our names are just plain fun, don't forget. :D
[12:42] <baggins> that's fair enough for arbitrary numbers, but sequences being replaced by arbitrary names doesn't make much sense to me.
[12:42] <baggins> ah but what do i know?!
[12:43] <HiddenWolf> baggins: since when do names make sense.
[12:43] <HiddenWolf> The only logical reason you've got a surname is because your father had one.
[12:43] <HiddenWolf> Which he has because napoleon told him to make one up.
[12:44] <HiddenWolf> Every name, word, logo, expression, phrase and language is constructed, someone made it up at one piont.
[12:44] <baggins> i'm not trolling, just flamebaiting.
[12:44] <baggins> or something
[12:45] <HiddenWolf> sladen, shush, read the CoC :P
[12:45] <sladen> baggins: :)
[12:46] <baggins> names sure... we need to give some things symbols... but when you see a version number continuously being referred to by it's symbolic name, you have to go and find out from somewhere... it's not very user friendly, surely? :P
[12:47] <baggins> yeah
[12:47] <baggins> i guess
[12:47] <tseng> if you find publicity material with consistancy issues, please tell us
[12:47] <HiddenWolf> Right guys. I've got something happy to share. I converted a teenage girl to linux today.
[12:47] <tseng> if you are watching development here and cant keep up..
[12:47] <baggins> ok sorry, i'm just rambling
[12:47] <tseng> meh
[12:47] <baggins> i should do it somewhere else
[12:48] <HiddenWolf> I gave her a usable pc back for her birthday. :D
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[01:10] <Nafallo> goodnight all
[02:24] <bob2> it'd be awesome if my desktop stopped hardlocking while I slept
[03:50] <lamont> bob2: sounds like you need to quit sleeping, eh?
[03:54] <marcin> jbailey, ping
[08:25] <pitti> Good morning
[08:26] <Treenaks> morning
[08:26] <Treenaks> is it a known bug that eog segfaults?
[08:29] <pitti> daniels: here?
[08:29] <pitti> $ setxkbmap -model pc105 de nodeadkeys
[08:29] <pitti> Couldn't interpret _XKB_RULES_NAMES property
[08:29] <pitti> Use defaults: rules - 'xorg' model - 'pc101' layout - 'us'
[08:29] <pitti> Error loading new keyboard description
[08:30] <pitti> ^ how do I cure that again?
[08:30] <robitaille> Treenaks: there is nothing in bugzilla about problems with eog
[08:31] <Treenaks> robitaille: ok, then I need to know how to build debug packages with pbuilder.. does it honor the environment?
[08:34] <Treenaks> hopes
[08:34] <robitaille> Treenaks: no idea....never used pbuilder :)
[08:53] <jasoncohen> is there a reason fsck doesn't work with sudo in ubuntu? after a failed fsck check on my root partition, i was asked to enter my root password which i obviously couldn't or to reboot the system with ctrl-d. my only option was to do a manual fsck off the live-cd. why not just build in support for sudo for such an essential tool?
[08:56] <HrdwrBoB> if fsck fails
[08:57] <HrdwrBoB> it should drop to a root prompt
[08:57] <HrdwrBoB> it does for me
[09:27] <pitti> pitti@rookery:/srv/language-packs.ubuntu.com/hoary-updates/sources-update$ du -hs
[09:27] <pitti> 497M   
[09:27] <pitti> GOOD GRIEF!
[09:28] <pitti> there actually seem to be folks around who use Rosetta... :-)
[09:29] <Treenaks> whoa... 500M!?!?!
[09:29] <Treenaks> of translations?
[09:30] <pitti> Treenaks: of *updated* translations, compared against the original hoary langpacks
[09:31] <pitti> -rw-r--r--  1 pitti warthogs 1881192 Jul 30 08:30 language-pack-de_20050729_all.deb
[09:31] <pitti> for .de alone this makes 1.8 MB of new translations -- not bad :-)
[09:31] <Treenaks> pitti: that's even more impressive
[09:31] <Treenaks> pitti: this is for all packages, or only main?
[09:32] <pitti> Treenaks: only main, I already sorted out the universe po files
[09:33] <pitti> hum, for actually testing them I need to switch to my hoary box (my desktop), and my gf is still asleep...
[09:33] <pitti> ok, cu later
[10:03] <tobias_> Any estimation on when the xkb mess will be cleared up again? X is broken for about 3 weeks now on my boxes:-(
[10:05] <daniels> xkb works fine
[10:18] <hunger_> Ah, xkb works again once I have installed a couple of new debs. Why aren't those part of x-window-system?
[10:18] <daniels> it's in transitioon
[10:20] <hunger_> daniels: I do like your split up debs a lot better than the ones there were before them. You are doing great work.
[10:20] <hunger_> daniels: But it still is extremly frustrating to have broken X all the time;-)
[10:21] <hunger_> unfortunately hoary does like this laptop even less than breezy does... so I am stuck with breezy since I want to stay with ubuntu.
[10:45] <jdub> daniels: what are the extra packages required for xkb love?
[10:46] <daniels> jdub: xkbutils, xkeyboard-config
[10:46] <daniels> sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/xkeyboard-config_0.5-3_all.deb
[10:48] <jdub> aha
[10:48] <jdub> thanks
[10:59] <\sh> morning
[10:59] <daniels> er
[10:59] <daniels> s/force-overwrite/force-confmiss/
[11:02] <\sh> daniels: your email pls...I'll send u the xterm-203 package :)
[11:03] <daniels> daniel.stone@ubuntu.com
[11:03] <\sh> thx
[11:05] <\sh> it's on the way...
[11:06] <\sh> ok...going shopping :) somewhere in one of those shoppingcenters in Cologne, there is my isdn+sip phone combination and it's only w8ing for me...*yes*
[11:07] <daniels> heh, enjoy
[12:45] <doko> ogra, elmo: wxwdigets2.6 is in NEW, approved by mdz. in the meantime you can find it on chinstrap:~doko/uploads
[02:19] <highvoltage> hi. i need to do some testing under hoary, problem is, that once X attempts to start, my screen goes and stays black (due to buggy i810 drivers, i think).
[02:19] <highvoltage> so i need to know two things, how can i disable the i810 driver (to prevent the blanking), and how do I fix xorg? (or will this become clear once i fix problem #1)?
[02:21] <lsuactiafner> highvoltage : this aint the channel for questions like that
[02:21] <lsuactiafner> #ubuntu
[02:21] <lsuactiafner> but edit the video driver in /etc/x11/xorg.conf to vesa not 810
[02:22] <highvoltage> lsuactiafner: ok, thanks
[03:34] <mjg59> Hm. Suspend to disk seems to be generally faster in 2.6.12.
[03:39] <sladen> maybe somebody changed the algorithm, there is/was something horrendiously wrong with it, even if I never figured out what
[04:08] <highvoltage> mdz: should i post my ltsp findings to the ubuntu-devel mailing list only, or can I put them on the wiki as well?
[05:09] <pitti> doko: here?
[05:09] <doko> pitti: yes
[05:10] <pitti> doko: Debian adopted my hpoj derooting patch and, as it seems, all other Ubuntu changes
[05:10] <pitti> doko: if you have a minute, could you please check whether it still works for us? then we can just sync
[05:10] <doko> yes, I should forward the hplip patch
[05:10] <jsgotangco> horaay for pitti
[05:11] <pitti> it's actually the third derooting patch that's accepted in Debian :-)
[05:11] <doko> pitti: just replace the driver and use hpoj?
[05:12] <pitti> doko: no, just a test if it still works as expected; I think mdz still wants hplip, though
[05:13] <doko> ehh, hplip is the recommended one for most office jets ...
[05:14] <Nafallo> pitti: what are the others? :-)
[05:14] <mdz> highvoltage: ubuntu-devel is fine
[05:14] <pitti> Nafallo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerootificationStatus
[05:14] <pitti> Hey mdz
[05:14] <mdz> hi
[05:15] <Nafallo> nice page :-)
[05:22] <doko> mdz: is NEW an elmo only thing?
[05:22] <mdz> doko: no...
[05:23] <doko> mdz: could you approve wxwdigets2.6 and gcc-3.4 (new binaries for amd64)
[05:23] <mdz> doko: and powerpc?
[05:24] <doko> mdz: ahh, yes the 64bit libs as well
[05:29] <doko> mdz: hmm, then maybe the extra libs built by gcc-4.0 are needed as well
[05:29] <mdz> doko: hmm?  there is no gcc-4.0 in NEW
[05:30] <doko> ahh, I see, already in the archive
[05:56] <pitti> \sh: argh, you infected my ffox, it crashes all the time since today
[05:58] <\sh> pitti: hmm...after cairo update from today...it works again
[05:58] <tseng> here too
[05:59] <pitti> \sh: thanks for the hint, I upgraded libcairo1, let's see
[06:02] <doko> mdz: are you doing syncs from unstable as well? seb128 requested glitz to build an glitz enabled cairo
[06:15] <pitti> Mez: I keep /home on a separate partition, so I can easily switch between several installations on different partitions :-)
[06:15] <Mez> pitti :D same here :D
[06:15] <Mez> and I also keep /boot on a seperate partition
[06:16] <Mez> and my music, my downloads, buildds, stuff like that
[06:16] <sebest> hello, anyone can tell me what is still broken in X?
[06:16] <Mez>  pitti though I'm thinking 90Gb for /home and 80 for / might have been wayyyy too big
[06:17] <pitti> Mez: for /home you can never have enoguh :-) but I create 5 GB partitions for each /
[06:17] <pitti> /dev/hda3              6595632   4503412   2092220  69% /
[06:17] <Mez> pitti: whoops then
[06:17] <pitti> ok, 6 GB, but oh well
[06:18] <Mez> /dev/hda1             72090684   3303592  65125080   5% /
[06:18] <tseng> mdz: going to debian-mono team to discuss fixing libmono0 dep problem.
[06:18] <Mez> pitti, but then I keep like - my music and everything on seperate partitions
[06:19] <Mez> do do you think my 70Gb (thought it was 80) / partition might be a bit too big?>
[06:21] <Mez> does gparted let you resize ext3 partitions without losing the data ?
[06:34] <hunger> Why does sl-modem-daemon depend on sl-modem-modules-new? it works with alsa here.
[06:36] <hunger> Can't this get changed to a recommends said modules? They are needed by in some settings, while in others sl-modem-daemon is happy with the alsa driver included in the default kernel.
[06:39] <crimsun> hunger: perhaps a sync from sid is better.
[06:43] <mdz> doko: I have not done that before, so it's better to wait for elmo unless it's urgent
[06:43] <jdub> yo mdz 
[06:43] <mdz> jdub: sup
[06:43] <jdub> mdz: was floodage a reason to not leave for LWE?
[06:45] <Lathiat> firefox crashing is starting to get really annoying
[06:49] <hunger> Lathiat: I wish firefox was the only thing that routinely crashed on my box:-(
[06:52] <mdz> jdub: it's one reason, but a more important reason is breezy feature freeze
[06:53] <Mez> has X been fixed on breezy yet ?
[06:56] <jdub> mdz: badness; okay :)
[06:57] <Mez> ah
[06:57] <Mez> nvm
[07:20] <infinity> mdz : Do you mind overly if shtool gets germinated into main as a new dependency of php5-dev?  We're already distributing a copy of it IN php[45] -dev, and I'm pulling that copy out in favour of the dependency (yes a recent security vuln has prompted this audit..)
[07:22] <mdz> infinity: assuming it gets the same review as anything else, I've no issues with it
[07:23] <infinity> Mmkay.  Will do.
[07:35] <Mez> grr
[07:36] <Mez> tyhis is annoying
[07:36] <Mez> I'm trying to resize something with gparted
[07:36] <Mez> and it's doing bugger all
[07:40] <infinity> mdz : Report created.  MainInclusionReportShtool
[07:44] <jdub> mdz: thoughts on https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12613 ?
[07:45] <jdub> mdz: a few people have bugged me about it
[07:48] <mdz> jdub: people actually use ruby?
[08:06] <jdub> mdz: politics!
[08:25] <pef> hello
[08:52] <HiddenWolf> Anyone around involved with ubuntu-lite?
[08:55] <OculusAquilae> HiddenWolf: is there a ubuntu-lite project already?
[08:57] <Amaranth> it's a breezy goal, i thought
[08:58] <Amaranth> EPARSE, mixed tenses
[08:58] <jdub> Amaranth: different project
[08:58] <jdub> HiddenWolf: i know one of the dudes working on it (here in .au)
[09:28] <HiddenWolf> jdub: do you happen to know about a mailing list, or who I can bug on irc?
[09:34] <Riddell> mdz: kubuntu main inclusion reports are up
[09:34] <Riddell> how do I get subscribed to changed on the whole of the wiki?
[09:41] <HiddenWolf> Can't your subscribe to updates to the RecentChanges page?
[10:21] <Mez> kamion: ping
[11:32] <pHr33K`|Dek2on|`> hi guys
[11:33] <pHr33K`|Dek2on|`> any helpers available
[11:37] <Treenaks> helpers are on #ubuntu
[11:43] <zyga> Treenaks: with someone named pHr33K`|Dek2on|` you shoud rather have said 'No, sorry'
[11:44] <HiddenWolf> zyga: naughty!