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| Madpilot | hi all, not a docteam member, but I've started messing around in the wiki | 04:56 |
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| Madpilot | thinking about moving some of the Apache/LAMP stuff around | 04:57 |
| Madpilot | namely this --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LAMPForHoary <-- is a better page than | 04:58 |
| Madpilot | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApachePHPMySQL <-- this one, but this one has a better name | 04:58 |
| Madpilot | because LAMPForHoary will eventually have to become LAMPForBreezy | 04:58 |
| Madpilot | thoughts? | 04:59 |
| rob^ | do what you think is best | 04:59 |
| rob^ | thats what the wiki is for :) | 04:59 |
| Madpilot | there's always revert if someone objects too much... | 04:59 |
| rob^ | yes | 04:59 |
| Madpilot | OK, off to edit - mostly a giant cut'n'paste job for this one | 05:00 |
| rob^ | cool | 05:00 |
| rob^ | thanks for helping out | 05:01 |
| Madpilot | np | 05:01 |
| rob^ | Madpilot, just one suggestion though, there is a page about adding universe/muliverse to your system already - AddingRepositoriesHowto | 05:04 |
| rob^ | put a link to that page instead of explaining how to do it | 05:05 |
| Madpilot | good point- will do | 05:07 |
| rob^ | :) | 05:08 |
| Madpilot | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApachePHPMySQL <-- updated. comments & further editing welcome! | 05:15 |
| rob^ | oops you forgot to add spaces between the == and the working on Check Repositories :) | 05:18 |
| rob^ | wording* | 05:18 |
| Madpilot | just fixed that. hit reload! | 05:18 |
| Madpilot | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LAMPForHoary <-- also edited | 05:19 |
| Madpilot | it really should be called "ApacheMySQLPHP" to have LAMP make sense, I guess | 05:19 |
| rob^ | heh yeah | 05:20 |
| Madpilot | easy enough to create a 3rd page, I guess. can you delete pages? | 05:20 |
| rob^ | yes | 05:20 |
| rob^ | you could just rename the page though | 05:21 |
| Madpilot | just found that option. renaming now. | 05:21 |
| Madpilot | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP <-- done | 05:22 |
| Madpilot | is there a "Watch This Page" option that I've missed? Like WikiPedia has? | 05:22 |
| rob^ | yes, Subscribe | 05:23 |
| Madpilot | are pages that have wikilinks to the old ApachePHPMySQL going to auto-redirect, or ??? | 05:25 |
| rob^ | brb | 05:25 |
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| Madpilot | ? | 06:47 |
| robitaille | ?? | 06:48 |
| Madpilot | ??? | 06:48 |
| robitaille | ???? | 06:48 |
| Madpilot | :) sorry, just got dropped by freenode while I was away from the comp | 06:48 |
| robitaille | same here. | 06:49 |
| Madpilot | wasn't sure if I was reconnected | 06:49 |
| Madpilot | so it was a system-wide thing? | 06:49 |
| robitaille | you are from BC? | 06:50 |
| Madpilot | ooops. the things that happen when the phone rings | 06:50 |
| Madpilot | yeah, Victoria | 06:50 |
| robitaille | I'm also from Victoria. | 06:50 |
| Madpilot | small world. nice weather we're having, hey? | 06:51 |
| robitaille | related to Corey? | 06:51 |
| Madpilot | yeah. i'm his older brother | 06:51 |
| robitaille | weather is nice: just back from a week camping on Galiano. | 06:51 |
| Madpilot | he converted me to Ubuntu about two months ago | 06:52 |
| robitaille | So where is your brother? HE is usually always online :) | 06:52 |
| Madpilot | not sure. out this evening, I guess | 06:52 |
| robitaille | I remember when he converted you. He mentioned it one night. | 06:53 |
| Madpilot | repeatedly, probably ;) | 06:53 |
| robitaille | He just mentioned it once (vague recollection that beer was involved...) What's sad is that I still haven't managed to meet him in real life. | 06:54 |
| Madpilot | are you involved in either VLUG or WEAV? | 06:54 |
| robitaille | but we talk online nearly every day. | 06:55 |
| robitaille | Not really involved with VLUG. I have been to one of their meeting. | 06:55 |
| Madpilot | haven't made a VLUG meet yet myself. not sure when the next one is. | 06:55 |
| robitaille | August 9th: http://www.vlug.org/vlug/meetings/ | 06:56 |
| Madpilot | thnx. might go, depending on the topic, or if the three of us can get organized to actually meet face to face there! | 06:57 |
| robitaille | I may or may not be able to go. I have 2 sets of relatives who are visiting us that week. I'll know closer to that date if I can go. | 07:00 |
| Madpilot | good; I'm usually on the main ubuntu channel, sometimes here. Corey is everywhere, all at once - except tonight... | 07:01 |
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| poningru | hi guys question is there a good place in the docs/wiki/forum where I can send a kid who is familiar with win | 07:55 |
| poningru | but has never even heard of linux | 07:55 |
| poningru | has many questions | 07:55 |
| poningru | is there a place that can answer the common questions? | 07:56 |
| rob^ | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/ | 07:56 |
| rob^ | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GettingUbuntu | 07:56 |
| rob^ | thats about it I think | 07:57 |
| poningru | hmm | 07:57 |
| Madpilot | interesting thought... is there a "What the &%^$# is Linux" site somewhere? | 07:59 |
| rob^ | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/ | 07:59 |
| rob^ | no, might be a good idea for a wiki page | 08:00 |
| Madpilot | not sure that qualifies... I'm thinking of even more basic stuff, like "how is this different from Windows" level | 08:00 |
| poningru | there was one in wiki somewhere | 08:00 |
| poningru | but I cant seem to find it | 08:00 |
| poningru | whats his name was thinking of axing it | 08:00 |
| poningru | and I was like no dont do it | 08:00 |
| poningru | cause this is a great intro | 08:01 |
| Madpilot | the FAQ is not good to send utter noobs to, really | 08:01 |
| Madpilot | it's all out of order | 08:01 |
| poningru | yeah | 08:01 |
| Madpilot | "Obtaining Ubuntu" and "Using Ubuntu" should be the first & 2nd section | 08:02 |
| Madpilot | put the Ubuntu detail/trivia stuff last | 08:02 |
| Madpilot | if it were a wiki page I'd already be ripping it apart... | 08:02 |
| Madpilot | :) do main Documentation pages like that get bug-reported in Launchpad or Ubuntu Bugzilla? | 08:03 |
| rob^ | we are fixing that :) | 08:05 |
| Madpilot | there's still Warty-specific info in that FAQ too... | 08:05 |
| rob^ | oh, no if you want to edit that page, do so but dont make drastic changes | 08:05 |
| rob^ | discuss any major changes with the wiki team first | 08:06 |
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| Madpilot | the FAQ page isn't in the wiki | 08:06 |
| Madpilot | gah... | 08:06 |
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| Madpilot | the FAQ page isn't in the wiki, rob, so I can't change it... | 08:06 |
| rob^ | yes | 08:07 |
| rob^ | the faq is in the svn repository | 08:07 |
| Madpilot | the what? | 08:07 |
| rob^ | its a version control system for source code and docuements | 08:07 |
| Madpilot | so I can edit with my Launchpad ID? | 08:08 |
| rob^ | no | 08:08 |
| Madpilot | OK | 08:08 |
| rob^ | you can check a copy of the repository out | 08:08 |
| rob^ | and send patches to the ubuntu-doc mailing list | 08:08 |
| poningru | hehe gotcha | 08:08 |
| poningru | you know Madpilot I would be willing to work on that | 08:09 |
| Madpilot | I think it needs doing - some of it is just organizing the existing FAQ better | 08:09 |
| rob^ | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects | 08:10 |
| Madpilot | but some of it - like a super-low-level intro "What is Linux" I'm not qualified to write! | 08:10 |
| rob^ | Madpilot, I'm the lead author of the faq | 08:10 |
| Madpilot | well, that makes contacting the FAQ maintainer easy... | 08:11 |
| poningru | rofl | 08:11 |
| rob^ | http://www.linuxhd.com/ubuntufaq/faqi386/C/index.html | 08:11 |
| rob^ | that is a slightly old preview of its current status | 08:12 |
| poningru | I'd be willing to write the intro to linux things | 08:13 |
| poningru | cause I have many friends who have questions | 08:14 |
| poningru | and I keep logs of my convos | 08:14 |
| poningru | from irc and aim | 08:14 |
| Madpilot | cool, loot those for ideas. | 08:14 |
| rob^ | the best way is to send your ideas/suggestions to the ubuntu-doc mailing list | 08:14 |
| rob^ | that way I can have a look at them :) | 08:14 |
| Madpilot | A super-basic "Ten-word Glossary for Ubuntu & Linux" would be good. | 08:15 |
| rob^ | I'm just about to update that preview to the latest release | 08:15 |
| rob^ | umm.. draft | 08:15 |
| poningru | whats that guys name? | 08:16 |
| Madpilot | Def'ns of 'terminal', 'repositories', 'Synaptic', and a few others. | 08:16 |
| poningru | corey I think | 08:16 |
| poningru | he blogs on planet | 08:16 |
| rob^ | sorry? | 08:16 |
| Madpilot | Corey Burger - Burgundavia | 08:16 |
| poningru | yeah thats it | 08:16 |
| Madpilot | (my younger brother, btw...) | 08:17 |
| poningru | there was a list of wiki pages that he was thinking about axing | 08:17 |
| poningru | one of which was pretty good | 08:17 |
| poningru | about the intro | 08:17 |
| rob^ | done | 08:17 |
| Madpilot | hmmm - remember the name of it? | 08:18 |
| poningru | no thats the prob | 08:19 |
| poningru | it was pretty well written too | 08:19 |
| Madpilot | was the list in a blog entry Corey made? | 08:19 |
| poningru | no | 08:19 |
| poningru | he talked about it in here | 08:19 |
| rob^ | it will be in categorycleanup | 08:19 |
| poningru | let me go see | 08:19 |
| Madpilot | poningru: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation <-- this one? good, a bit messy | 08:23 |
| poningru | no thats not it | 08:27 |
| poningru | it was very long | 08:27 |
| poningru | and pretty messy | 08:27 |
| Madpilot | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LinuxFilesystemsExplained <-- OK, messy and badly written... | 08:28 |
| poningru | no it wasnt just a particular system or part | 08:29 |
| poningru | it had everything | 08:29 |
| poningru | like history | 08:29 |
| poningru | of linux | 08:29 |
| poningru | and gnu | 08:29 |
| poningru | and things like explaination of where to go in the wiki | 08:30 |
| Madpilot | OK - sounds good - can't see anything that might be it in the Cleanup list, tho | 08:31 |
| poningru | still looking | 08:32 |
| poningru | the list just exploded | 08:32 |
| poningru | it was like 60 last time I checked | 08:32 |
| poningru | or something like that | 08:32 |
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| Madpilot | i think Corey's been busy categorizing stuff... | 08:34 |
| Madpilot | mostly into Cleanup, I think... ;) | 08:35 |
| rob^ | yeah | 08:35 |
| rob^ | pretty much | 08:35 |
| rob^ | there was a lot of stuff that needed it though | 08:36 |
| Madpilot | yeah | 08:36 |
| Madpilot | that draft FAQ basically looks nothing at all like the current released FAQ | 08:37 |
| Madpilot | got it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LinuxIntro | 08:52 |
| Madpilot | poningru: is that it? ^^^ | 08:53 |
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| poningru | hmm let me see | 08:56 |
| poningru | doh no | 08:56 |
| poningru | wait | 08:58 |
| poningru | you know what I can do | 08:58 |
| poningru | check my logs | 08:58 |
| rob^ | Madpilot, yep | 09:11 |
| poningru | found it howcome | 09:14 |
| poningru | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowCome | 09:14 |
| poningru | searched through 3 days worth of #ubuntu-doc logs | 09:15 |
| rob^ | ouch | 09:16 |
| rob^ | I hope you greped it | 09:16 |
| poningru | hehe | 09:16 |
| rob^ | I added a link to it on the wiki documents page, feel free to improve it! | 09:18 |
| poningru | yep | 09:18 |
| rob^ | actually, it really needs to be made shorter, simpler | 09:20 |
| rob^ | :) | 09:20 |
| rob^ | that thing is like a whole novel | 09:20 |
| Madpilot | "If someone ever tells you to type 'rm -rf /', DON'T DO IT" | 09:21 |
| Madpilot | heh. | 09:21 |
| poningru | rofl | 09:21 |
| poningru | yeah | 09:21 |
| poningru | but good advice | 09:21 |
| Madpilot | it's great, but it needs major editing | 09:21 |
| poningru | though | 09:21 |
| rob^ | yep, I've used that one on people who were bugging me before :P | 09:21 |
| poningru | see the thing I liked on that is it reads like a friend is helping you out | 09:21 |
| Madpilot | yeah, it's actual English, not Techlish... | 09:22 |
| rob^ | yes, but people wont read the whole thing | 09:23 |
| rob^ | each section needs to be a couple of paragraphs tops | 09:23 |
| Madpilot | not it it's current format, no they won't. | 09:23 |
| Madpilot | but it can be salvaged | 09:23 |
| robitaille | Madpilot: ever seen this article about "rm -Rf /" vs "format c:" http://hohle.net/scrap_post.php?post=23&m=full | 09:23 |
| rob^ | I added a note to the top of it, feel free to remove it when you are done. | 09:24 |
| poningru | we have to preserve that thing though | 09:25 |
| poningru | is it ok if we preserve that and start a new article based on that? | 09:25 |
| Madpilot | here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowComeDraft | 09:30 |
| robitaille | ?QUIT | 09:31 |
| Madpilot | poningru: see ^^^ | 09:34 |
| poningru | yep | 09:35 |
| rob^ | nah, there is no need to preserve it | 09:39 |
| rob^ | you can roll back changes | 09:39 |
| Madpilot | rob^: good point, I keep forgetting wikis do that... doh... | 09:39 |
| rob^ | but if you want to redo the whole thing it might be easier if you start a new page, then merge it | 09:39 |
| rob^ | its up to you really | 09:39 |
| rob^ | I would just edit it in place | 09:40 |
| Madpilot | I'll leave them both up for tonight and deal with it tomorrow | 09:40 |
| rob^ | ok | 09:43 |
| Madpilot | need sleep now - having to work Saturdays bites. | 09:45 |
| rob^ | yeah | 09:45 |
| rob^ | I know the pain | 09:45 |
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| littlepaul | I wrote a small german wiki article about ubuntu-doc but i need some further details | 02:31 |
| rob^ | ok | 02:32 |
| littlepaul | my question is: what is the relationship between the *.po files brought by rosetta and the xml files. | 02:34 |
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| littlepaul | i mean are this gettext files automaticly merged into the xml files which some tools? | 02:37 |
| littlepaul | enrico, did you made newer changes on docteam-tools? | 02:40 |
| enrico | littlepaul: I haven't committed anything since a long time | 02:40 |
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| jsgotangco | errr who is claude peroz? | 03:36 |
| rob^ | ? | 03:36 |
| jsgotangco | i got a launchpad request for ubuntu doc team | 03:36 |
| rob^ | grr why is mp3.com only allowing me to download one song at a time? | 03:36 |
| rob^ | where can I view it? | 03:37 |
| jsgotangco | the request? only i can receive requests at the moment | 03:37 |
| jsgotangco | i just don't remember this guy | 03:37 |
| rob^ | oh, how come? | 03:37 |
| jsgotangco | how come what | 03:37 |
| jsgotangco | on the requests? | 03:37 |
| rob^ | ya | 03:37 |
| jsgotangco | because i haven't set anyone as admin yet | 03:38 |
| rob^ | oh | 03:38 |
| rob^ | what was in the request, anyway? | 03:38 |
| jsgotangco | its just a standard launchpad request | 03:38 |
| rob^ | ah | 03:39 |
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| jsgotangc1 | wretched lcd... | 03:46 |
| jsgotangc1 | it just died | 03:47 |
| rob^ | wow mp3.com really doesn't like firefox 1.0.6 | 03:47 |
| rob^ | the front page, anyway | 03:48 |
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| rob^ | gee, you would think mp3.com would offer mp3s, but no.. | 03:50 |
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| jsgotangco | have you tried newsgroups heh | 03:50 |
| rob^ | I was after unsigned artists mainly | 03:50 |
| jsgotangco | ahhh understandable...mp3.com used to be great on that field | 03:51 |
| rob^ | I have nicotine for the rest | 03:51 |
| jsgotangco | until cnet bought it | 03:51 |
| rob^ | yeah, no mp3s.. | 03:51 |
| rob^ | all wma | 03:51 |
| jsgotangco | gyaahh | 03:51 |
| Nafallo | magnatune.com, and that's all I say :-) | 03:51 |
| rob^ | should rename it wma.com | 03:51 |
| rob^ | yeah I have been | 03:51 |
| rob^ | its good, a bit broken though | 03:52 |
| jsgotangco | nice link | 03:52 |
| Nafallo | wfm :-) | 03:53 |
| Nafallo | bought two albums already :-) | 03:53 |
| jsgotangco | hmmm | 03:54 |
| jsgotangco | err..buy? | 03:54 |
| jsgotangco | oh you can pay as low as $5 | 03:55 |
| Nafallo | yes. for the first time in years I actually bought music :-) | 03:55 |
| rob^ | heh, with the crossfade plugin for bmp playing hifi tracks on magnatune.com is smooth | 03:55 |
| rob^ | like playing off your hd on this 512 connection | 03:55 |
| Nafallo | hehe | 03:56 |
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| rob^ | its nice that they offer those too | 03:56 |
| jsgotangco | i should buy a player that has ogg support | 03:56 |
| Nafallo | dist-upgrade _and_ listen to music is awesome :-) | 03:57 |
| rob^ | actually I just got thru writing a guide to bmp for the wiki | 03:58 |
| rob^ | so much better then xmms :) | 03:58 |
| Nafallo | hmm | 03:58 |
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| Nafallo | :-) | 03:58 |
| rob^ | holy crap. trying to apt-get muine wants to download 16.8mb of archives, including mono! | 04:00 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 04:00 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 04:00 |
| jsgotangco | because muine is a mono app | 04:00 |
| jsgotangco | (rockin' mono app btw) | 04:00 |
| rob^ | ouch | 04:00 |
| jsgotangco | you might as well get blam, tomboy | 04:00 |
| jsgotangco | heck even beagle if in breezy | 04:01 |
| Nafallo | but right now it can't download covers ;-) | 04:01 |
| Nafallo | muine that is | 04:01 |
| rob^ | breezy, heh had another attempt at it the otherday on my testbed pc | 04:01 |
| rob^ | X is still very broken | 04:01 |
| Nafallo | is it? | 04:01 |
| Nafallo | it is very much working over here :-) | 04:02 |
| rob^ | nah, locales problems | 04:03 |
| rob^ | I was attempting to ssh into it and run the apps from my desktop pc | 04:03 |
| rob^ | openssh is broken too from what I hear | 04:03 |
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| rob^ | I did have breezy working before they messed up X again, but heh | 04:04 |
| rob^ | its not called a testbed pc for nothing :) | 04:04 |
| Nafallo | haven't daniels fixed the xkb-errors yet? | 04:05 |
| Nafallo | I fixed them locally ;-) | 04:05 |
| rob^ | well that was 3 days ago | 04:05 |
| jsgotangco | life on the edge.. | 04:05 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 04:05 |
| Nafallo | I fixed mine more than a week ago :-) | 04:06 |
| rob^ | I tried, no luck | 04:06 |
| Nafallo | and openssh isn't broken | 04:06 |
| Nafallo | probably you were just missing xauth (new package) | 04:06 |
| rob^ | nah it was installed | 04:06 |
| rob^ | I set that up ok | 04:06 |
| rob^ | I was just getting locales problems when trying to ssh into it | 04:07 |
| Nafallo | ahh | 04:07 |
| Nafallo | haven't tried that | 04:07 |
| rob^ | and I havent bothered to try and set up the X server on it | 04:07 |
| rob^ | well, when I say ssh into it, I mean I can ssh into it, just attempting to run X programs brings those errors | 04:08 |
| Nafallo | if I'm out of luck sometime I got my gf's hoaryified shuttle to play on ;-) | 04:08 |
| rob^ | my normal desktop PC is hoary also | 04:09 |
| rob^ | I get the disatisfaction of installing windows on my testbed pc tomorrow so my wife can do her tax | 04:09 |
| rob^ | I don't really trust wine with that :) | 04:10 |
| rob^ | holy crud, its tomorrow already | 04:10 |
| Nafallo | hehe | 04:11 |
| Nafallo | 16:12 here. maybe I should eat breakfast :-P | 04:11 |
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| jsgotangco | coffee..bleah...drink V | 04:12 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 04:12 |
| jsgotangco | or Red Bull | 04:12 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 04:12 |
| rob^ | nah, being a shiftworker I love my coffee | 04:12 |
| rob^ | Magnatune - We Are Not Evil :) | 04:15 |
| Nafallo | indeed :-) | 04:20 |
| Nafallo | they are not | 04:20 |
| rob^ | yeah | 04:20 |
| rob^ | clicking "all rock hifi" give you 700 songs :D | 04:20 |
| rob^ | rock&pop that is | 04:21 |
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| jsgotangco | oh man this canada - denmark thing on a piece of rock no bigger than a football field is making me laugh | 05:18 |
| jsgotangco | this is nothing compared to the spratleys hehe | 05:18 |
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