=== Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [~ealden@219.90.94.27] has joined #ubuntu-doc === HrdwrBoB [~matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [~poningru@pool-70-110-73-185.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [~yh728@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:56] hi all, not a docteam member, but I've started messing around in the wiki [04:57] thinking about moving some of the Apache/LAMP stuff around [04:58] namely this --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LAMPForHoary <-- is a better page than [04:58] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApachePHPMySQL <-- this one, but this one has a better name [04:58] because LAMPForHoary will eventually have to become LAMPForBreezy [04:59] thoughts? [04:59] do what you think is best [04:59] thats what the wiki is for :) [04:59] there's always revert if someone objects too much... [04:59] yes [05:00] OK, off to edit - mostly a giant cut'n'paste job for this one [05:00] cool [05:01] thanks for helping out [05:01] np [05:04] Madpilot, just one suggestion though, there is a page about adding universe/muliverse to your system already - AddingRepositoriesHowto [05:05] put a link to that page instead of explaining how to do it [05:07] good point- will do [05:08] :) [05:15] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApachePHPMySQL <-- updated. comments & further editing welcome! [05:18] oops you forgot to add spaces between the == and the working on Check Repositories :) [05:18] wording* [05:18] just fixed that. hit reload! [05:19] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LAMPForHoary <-- also edited [05:19] it really should be called "ApacheMySQLPHP" to have LAMP make sense, I guess [05:20] heh yeah [05:20] easy enough to create a 3rd page, I guess. can you delete pages? [05:20] yes [05:21] you could just rename the page though [05:21] just found that option. renaming now. [05:22] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP <-- done [05:22] is there a "Watch This Page" option that I've missed? Like WikiPedia has? [05:23] yes, Subscribe [05:25] are pages that have wikilinks to the old ApachePHPMySQL going to auto-redirect, or ??? [05:25] brb === robitaille [~daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Nafallo [nafallo@c-459571d5.07-44-73746f50.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [~daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [~yh728@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:47] ? [06:48] ?? [06:48] ??? [06:48] ???? [06:48] :) sorry, just got dropped by freenode while I was away from the comp [06:49] same here. [06:49] wasn't sure if I was reconnected [06:49] so it was a system-wide thing? [06:50] you are from BC? [06:50] ooops. the things that happen when the phone rings [06:50] yeah, Victoria [06:50] I'm also from Victoria. [06:51] small world. nice weather we're having, hey? [06:51] related to Corey? [06:51] yeah. i'm his older brother [06:51] weather is nice: just back from a week camping on Galiano. [06:52] he converted me to Ubuntu about two months ago [06:52] So where is your brother? HE is usually always online :) [06:52] not sure. out this evening, I guess [06:53] I remember when he converted you. He mentioned it one night. [06:53] repeatedly, probably ;) [06:54] He just mentioned it once (vague recollection that beer was involved...) What's sad is that I still haven't managed to meet him in real life. [06:54] are you involved in either VLUG or WEAV? [06:55] but we talk online nearly every day. [06:55] Not really involved with VLUG. I have been to one of their meeting. [06:55] haven't made a VLUG meet yet myself. not sure when the next one is. [06:56] August 9th: http://www.vlug.org/vlug/meetings/ [06:57] thnx. might go, depending on the topic, or if the three of us can get organized to actually meet face to face there! [07:00] I may or may not be able to go. I have 2 sets of relatives who are visiting us that week. I'll know closer to that date if I can go. [07:01] good; I'm usually on the main ubuntu channel, sometimes here. Corey is everywhere, all at once - except tonight... === Madpilot [~yh728@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob^_ [~rob@rob-ubuntu.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:55] hi guys question is there a good place in the docs/wiki/forum where I can send a kid who is familiar with win [07:55] but has never even heard of linux [07:55] has many questions [07:56] is there a place that can answer the common questions? [07:56] http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/ [07:56] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GettingUbuntu [07:57] thats about it I think [07:57] hmm [07:59] interesting thought... is there a "What the &%^$# is Linux" site somewhere? [07:59] http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/ [08:00] no, might be a good idea for a wiki page [08:00] not sure that qualifies... I'm thinking of even more basic stuff, like "how is this different from Windows" level [08:00] there was one in wiki somewhere [08:00] but I cant seem to find it [08:00] whats his name was thinking of axing it [08:00] and I was like no dont do it [08:01] cause this is a great intro [08:01] the FAQ is not good to send utter noobs to, really [08:01] it's all out of order [08:01] yeah [08:02] "Obtaining Ubuntu" and "Using Ubuntu" should be the first & 2nd section [08:02] put the Ubuntu detail/trivia stuff last [08:02] if it were a wiki page I'd already be ripping it apart... [08:03] :) do main Documentation pages like that get bug-reported in Launchpad or Ubuntu Bugzilla? [08:05] we are fixing that :) [08:05] there's still Warty-specific info in that FAQ too... [08:05] oh, no if you want to edit that page, do so but dont make drastic changes [08:06] discuss any major changes with the wiki team first === rob^ [~rob@rob-ubuntu.student.supporter.pdpc] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] [08:06] the FAQ page isn't in the wiki [08:06] gah... === rob^ [~rob@rob-ubuntu.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:06] the FAQ page isn't in the wiki, rob, so I can't change it... [08:07] yes [08:07] the faq is in the svn repository [08:07] the what? [08:07] its a version control system for source code and docuements [08:08] so I can edit with my Launchpad ID? [08:08] no [08:08] OK [08:08] you can check a copy of the repository out [08:08] and send patches to the ubuntu-doc mailing list [08:08] hehe gotcha [08:09] you know Madpilot I would be willing to work on that [08:09] I think it needs doing - some of it is just organizing the existing FAQ better [08:10] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects [08:10] but some of it - like a super-low-level intro "What is Linux" I'm not qualified to write! [08:10] Madpilot, I'm the lead author of the faq [08:11] well, that makes contacting the FAQ maintainer easy... [08:11] rofl [08:11] http://www.linuxhd.com/ubuntufaq/faqi386/C/index.html [08:12] that is a slightly old preview of its current status [08:13] I'd be willing to write the intro to linux things [08:14] cause I have many friends who have questions [08:14] and I keep logs of my convos [08:14] from irc and aim [08:14] cool, loot those for ideas. [08:14] the best way is to send your ideas/suggestions to the ubuntu-doc mailing list [08:14] that way I can have a look at them :) [08:15] A super-basic "Ten-word Glossary for Ubuntu & Linux" would be good. [08:15] I'm just about to update that preview to the latest release [08:15] umm.. draft [08:16] whats that guys name? [08:16] Def'ns of 'terminal', 'repositories', 'Synaptic', and a few others. [08:16] corey I think [08:16] he blogs on planet [08:16] sorry? [08:16] Corey Burger - Burgundavia [08:16] yeah thats it [08:17] (my younger brother, btw...) [08:17] there was a list of wiki pages that he was thinking about axing [08:17] one of which was pretty good [08:17] about the intro [08:17] done [08:18] hmmm - remember the name of it? [08:19] no thats the prob [08:19] it was pretty well written too [08:19] was the list in a blog entry Corey made? [08:19] no [08:19] he talked about it in here [08:19] it will be in categorycleanup [08:19] let me go see [08:23] poningru: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation <-- this one? good, a bit messy [08:27] no thats not it [08:27] it was very long [08:27] and pretty messy [08:28] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LinuxFilesystemsExplained <-- OK, messy and badly written... [08:29] no it wasnt just a particular system or part [08:29] it had everything [08:29] like history [08:29] of linux [08:29] and gnu [08:30] and things like explaination of where to go in the wiki [08:31] OK - sounds good - can't see anything that might be it in the Cleanup list, tho [08:32] still looking [08:32] the list just exploded [08:32] it was like 60 last time I checked [08:32] or something like that === littlepaul [~littlepau@p5084DCB9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:34] i think Corey's been busy categorizing stuff... [08:35] mostly into Cleanup, I think... ;) [08:35] yeah [08:35] pretty much [08:36] there was a lot of stuff that needed it though [08:36] yeah [08:37] that draft FAQ basically looks nothing at all like the current released FAQ [08:52] got it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LinuxIntro [08:53] poningru: is that it? ^^^ === highvoltage [~Jono@196.25.192.240] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:56] hmm let me see [08:56] doh no [08:58] wait [08:58] you know what I can do [08:58] check my logs [09:11] Madpilot, yep [09:14] found it howcome [09:14] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowCome [09:15] searched through 3 days worth of #ubuntu-doc logs [09:16] ouch [09:16] I hope you greped it [09:16] hehe [09:18] I added a link to it on the wiki documents page, feel free to improve it! [09:18] yep [09:20] actually, it really needs to be made shorter, simpler [09:20] :) [09:20] that thing is like a whole novel [09:21] "If someone ever tells you to type 'rm -rf /', DON'T DO IT" [09:21] heh. [09:21] rofl [09:21] yeah [09:21] but good advice [09:21] it's great, but it needs major editing [09:21] though [09:21] yep, I've used that one on people who were bugging me before :P [09:21] see the thing I liked on that is it reads like a friend is helping you out [09:22] yeah, it's actual English, not Techlish... [09:23] yes, but people wont read the whole thing [09:23] each section needs to be a couple of paragraphs tops [09:23] not it it's current format, no they won't. [09:23] but it can be salvaged [09:23] Madpilot: ever seen this article about "rm -Rf /" vs "format c:" http://hohle.net/scrap_post.php?post=23&m=full [09:24] I added a note to the top of it, feel free to remove it when you are done. [09:25] we have to preserve that thing though [09:25] is it ok if we preserve that and start a new article based on that? [09:30] here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowComeDraft [09:31] ?QUIT [09:34] poningru: see ^^^ [09:35] yep [09:39] nah, there is no need to preserve it [09:39] you can roll back changes [09:39] rob^: good point, I keep forgetting wikis do that... doh... [09:39] but if you want to redo the whole thing it might be easier if you start a new page, then merge it [09:39] its up to you really [09:40] I would just edit it in place [09:40] I'll leave them both up for tonight and deal with it tomorrow [09:43] ok [09:45] need sleep now - having to work Saturdays bites. [09:45] yeah [09:45] I know the pain === highvoltage [~Jono@196.25.192.240] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [~poningru@pool-68-238-171-231.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === uniq [charlie@3ffe:80ee:31fe:0:0:0:0:33] has joined #ubuntu-doc === littlepaul is now known as littlepaul_ === rob^ [~rob@rob-ubuntu.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-doc === littlepaul_ [~littlepau@p5084DCB9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:31] I wrote a small german wiki article about ubuntu-doc but i need some further details [02:32] ok [02:34] my question is: what is the relationship between the *.po files brought by rosetta and the xml files. === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:37] i mean are this gettext files automaticly merged into the xml files which some tools? [02:40] enrico, did you made newer changes on docteam-tools? [02:40] littlepaul: I haven't committed anything since a long time === uniq [charlie@3ffe:80ee:31fe:0:0:0:0:33] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [~jgotangco@info1-57.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:36] errr who is claude peroz? [03:36] ? [03:36] i got a launchpad request for ubuntu doc team [03:36] grr why is mp3.com only allowing me to download one song at a time? [03:37] where can I view it? [03:37] the request? only i can receive requests at the moment [03:37] i just don't remember this guy [03:37] oh, how come? [03:37] how come what [03:37] on the requests? [03:37] ya [03:38] because i haven't set anyone as admin yet [03:38] oh [03:38] what was in the request, anyway? [03:38] its just a standard launchpad request [03:39] ah === jsgotangc1 [~jgotangco@info1-197.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:46] wretched lcd... [03:47] it just died [03:47] wow mp3.com really doesn't like firefox 1.0.6 [03:48] the front page, anyway === jsgotangc1 is now known as jsgotangco === Mez [~Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:50] gee, you would think mp3.com would offer mp3s, but no.. === littlepaul [~littlepau@p5084DCB9.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-doc ["part] [03:50] have you tried newsgroups heh [03:50] I was after unsigned artists mainly [03:51] ahhh understandable...mp3.com used to be great on that field [03:51] I have nicotine for the rest [03:51] until cnet bought it [03:51] yeah, no mp3s.. [03:51] all wma [03:51] gyaahh [03:51] magnatune.com, and that's all I say :-) [03:51] should rename it wma.com [03:51] yeah I have been [03:52] its good, a bit broken though [03:52] nice link [03:53] wfm :-) [03:53] bought two albums already :-) [03:54] hmmm [03:54] err..buy? [03:55] oh you can pay as low as $5 [03:55] yes. for the first time in years I actually bought music :-) [03:55] heh, with the crossfade plugin for bmp playing hifi tracks on magnatune.com is smooth [03:55] like playing off your hd on this 512 connection [03:56] hehe === Nafallo hugs his ogg and flac versions * [03:56] its nice that they offer those too [03:56] i should buy a player that has ogg support [03:57] dist-upgrade _and_ listen to music is awesome :-) [03:58] actually I just got thru writing a guide to bmp for the wiki [03:58] so much better then xmms :) [03:58] hmm === Nafallo hugs his muine and totem * [03:58] :-) [04:00] holy crap. trying to apt-get muine wants to download 16.8mb of archives, including mono! [04:00] hehe [04:00] yes [04:00] because muine is a mono app [04:00] (rockin' mono app btw) [04:00] ouch [04:00] you might as well get blam, tomboy [04:01] heck even beagle if in breezy [04:01] but right now it can't download covers ;-) [04:01] muine that is [04:01] breezy, heh had another attempt at it the otherday on my testbed pc [04:01] X is still very broken [04:01] is it? [04:02] it is very much working over here :-) [04:03] nah, locales problems [04:03] I was attempting to ssh into it and run the apps from my desktop pc [04:03] openssh is broken too from what I hear === highvoltage [~Jono@196.25.192.240] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:04] I did have breezy working before they messed up X again, but heh [04:04] its not called a testbed pc for nothing :) [04:05] haven't daniels fixed the xkb-errors yet? [04:05] I fixed them locally ;-) [04:05] well that was 3 days ago [04:05] life on the edge.. [04:05] heh [04:06] I fixed mine more than a week ago :-) [04:06] I tried, no luck [04:06] and openssh isn't broken [04:06] probably you were just missing xauth (new package) [04:06] nah it was installed [04:06] I set that up ok [04:07] I was just getting locales problems when trying to ssh into it [04:07] ahh [04:07] haven't tried that [04:07] and I havent bothered to try and set up the X server on it [04:08] well, when I say ssh into it, I mean I can ssh into it, just attempting to run X programs brings those errors [04:08] if I'm out of luck sometime I got my gf's hoaryified shuttle to play on ;-) [04:09] my normal desktop PC is hoary also [04:09] I get the disatisfaction of installing windows on my testbed pc tomorrow so my wife can do her tax [04:10] I don't really trust wine with that :) [04:10] holy crud, its tomorrow already [04:11] hehe [04:11] 16:12 here. maybe I should eat breakfast :-P === rob^ thinks.. coffee and another hour or bed? [04:12] coffee..bleah...drink V [04:12] hehe [04:12] or Red Bull [04:12] heh [04:12] nah, being a shiftworker I love my coffee [04:15] Magnatune - We Are Not Evil :) [04:20] indeed :-) [04:20] they are not [04:20] yeah [04:20] clicking "all rock hifi" give you 700 songs :D [04:21] rock&pop that is === Mez [~Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:18] oh man this canada - denmark thing on a piece of rock no bigger than a football field is making me laugh [05:18] this is nothing compared to the spratleys hehe === uniq_ [charlie@3ffe:80ee:31fe:0:0:0:0:33] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:45] good night === Mez [~Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [~jgotangco@info1-197.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [~jgotangco@info1-197.info.com.ph] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === rwabel [~rwabel@gw.ptr-80-238-205-70.customer.ch.netstream.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [~Jono@196.25.192.240] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [~Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [~Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [~Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [~Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc