[04:56] <Madpilot> hi all, not a docteam member, but I've started messing around in the wiki
[04:57] <Madpilot> thinking about moving some of the Apache/LAMP stuff around
[04:58] <Madpilot> namely this --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LAMPForHoary  <-- is a better page than
[04:58] <Madpilot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApachePHPMySQL  <-- this one, but this one has a better name
[04:58] <Madpilot> because LAMPForHoary will eventually have to become LAMPForBreezy
[04:59] <Madpilot> thoughts?
[04:59] <rob^> do what you think is best
[04:59] <rob^> thats what the wiki is for :)
[04:59] <Madpilot> there's always revert if someone objects too much...
[04:59] <rob^> yes
[05:00] <Madpilot> OK, off to edit - mostly a giant cut'n'paste job for this one
[05:00] <rob^> cool
[05:01] <rob^> thanks for helping out
[05:01] <Madpilot> np
[05:04] <rob^> Madpilot, just one suggestion though, there is a page about adding universe/muliverse to your system already - AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:05] <rob^> put a link to that page instead of explaining how to do it
[05:07] <Madpilot> good point- will do
[05:08] <rob^> :)
[05:15] <Madpilot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApachePHPMySQL  <-- updated. comments & further editing welcome!
[05:18] <rob^> oops you forgot to add spaces between the == and the working on Check Repositories :)
[05:18] <rob^> wording*
[05:18] <Madpilot> just fixed that. hit reload!
[05:19] <Madpilot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LAMPForHoary <-- also edited
[05:19] <Madpilot> it really should be called "ApacheMySQLPHP" to have LAMP make sense, I guess
[05:20] <rob^> heh yeah
[05:20] <Madpilot> easy enough to create a 3rd page, I guess. can you delete pages?
[05:20] <rob^> yes
[05:21] <rob^> you could just rename the page though
[05:21] <Madpilot> just found that option. renaming now.
[05:22] <Madpilot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP  <-- done
[05:22] <Madpilot> is there a "Watch This Page" option that I've missed? Like WikiPedia has?
[05:23] <rob^> yes, Subscribe
[05:25] <Madpilot> are pages that have wikilinks to the old ApachePHPMySQL going to auto-redirect, or ???
[05:25] <rob^> brb
[06:47] <Madpilot> ?
[06:48] <robitaille> ??
[06:48] <Madpilot> ???
[06:48] <robitaille> ????  
[06:48] <Madpilot> :) sorry, just got dropped by freenode while I was away from the comp
[06:49] <robitaille> same here.
[06:49] <Madpilot> wasn't sure if I was reconnected
[06:49] <Madpilot> so it was a system-wide thing?
[06:50] <robitaille> you are from BC?
[06:50] <Madpilot> ooops. the things that happen when the phone rings
[06:50] <Madpilot> yeah, Victoria
[06:50] <robitaille> I'm also from Victoria.
[06:51] <Madpilot> small world. nice weather we're having, hey?
[06:51] <robitaille> related to Corey?
[06:51] <Madpilot> yeah. i'm his older brother
[06:51] <robitaille> weather is nice:  just back from a week camping on Galiano.
[06:52] <Madpilot> he converted me to Ubuntu about two months ago
[06:52] <robitaille> So where is your brother?  HE is usually always online :)
[06:52] <Madpilot> not sure. out this evening, I guess
[06:53] <robitaille> I remember when he converted you.  He mentioned it one night.
[06:53] <Madpilot> repeatedly, probably ;)
[06:54] <robitaille> He just mentioned it once (vague recollection that beer was involved...) What's sad is that I still haven't managed to meet him in real life.
[06:54] <Madpilot> are you involved in either VLUG or WEAV?
[06:55] <robitaille> but we talk online nearly every day.
[06:55] <robitaille> Not really involved with VLUG.  I have been to one of their meeting.
[06:55] <Madpilot> haven't made a VLUG meet yet myself. not sure when the next one is.
[06:56] <robitaille> August 9th: http://www.vlug.org/vlug/meetings/
[06:57] <Madpilot> thnx. might go, depending on the topic, or if the three of us can get organized to actually meet face to face there!
[07:00] <robitaille> I may or may not be able to go.  I have 2 sets of relatives who are visiting us that week.  I'll know closer to that date if I can go.
[07:01] <Madpilot> good; I'm usually on the main ubuntu channel, sometimes here. Corey is everywhere, all at once - except tonight...
[07:55] <poningru> hi guys question is there a good place in the docs/wiki/forum where I can send a kid who is familiar with win 
[07:55] <poningru> but has never even heard of linux
[07:55] <poningru> has many questions
[07:56] <poningru> is there a place that can answer the common questions?
[07:56] <rob^> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/
[07:56] <rob^> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GettingUbuntu
[07:57] <rob^> thats about it I think
[07:57] <poningru> hmm
[07:59] <Madpilot> interesting thought... is there a "What the &%^$# is Linux" site somewhere?
[07:59] <rob^> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/
[08:00] <rob^> no, might be a good idea for a wiki page
[08:00] <Madpilot> not sure that qualifies... I'm thinking of even more basic stuff, like "how is this different from Windows" level
[08:00] <poningru> there was one in wiki somewhere
[08:00] <poningru> but I cant seem to find it
[08:00] <poningru> whats his name was thinking of axing it
[08:00] <poningru> and I was like no dont do it
[08:01] <poningru> cause this is a great intro
[08:01] <Madpilot> the FAQ is not good to send utter noobs to, really
[08:01] <Madpilot> it's all out of order
[08:01] <poningru> yeah
[08:02] <Madpilot> "Obtaining Ubuntu" and "Using Ubuntu" should be the first & 2nd section
[08:02] <Madpilot> put the Ubuntu detail/trivia stuff last
[08:02] <Madpilot> if it were a wiki page I'd already be ripping it apart...
[08:03] <Madpilot> :) do main Documentation pages like that get bug-reported in Launchpad or Ubuntu Bugzilla?
[08:05] <rob^> we are fixing that :)
[08:05] <Madpilot> there's still Warty-specific info in that FAQ too...
[08:05] <rob^> oh, no if you want to edit that page, do so but dont make drastic changes
[08:06] <rob^> discuss any major changes with the wiki team first
[08:06] <Madpilot> the FAQ page isn't in the wiki
[08:06] <Madpilot> gah...
[08:06] <Madpilot> the FAQ page isn't in the wiki, rob, so I can't change it...
[08:07] <rob^> yes
[08:07] <rob^> the faq is in the svn repository
[08:07] <Madpilot> the what?
[08:07] <rob^> its a version control system for source code and docuements
[08:08] <Madpilot> so I can edit with my Launchpad ID?
[08:08] <rob^> no
[08:08] <Madpilot> OK
[08:08] <rob^> you can check a copy of the repository out
[08:08] <rob^> and send patches to the ubuntu-doc mailing list
[08:08] <poningru> hehe gotcha
[08:09] <poningru> you know Madpilot I would be willing to work on that
[08:09] <Madpilot> I think it needs doing - some of it is just organizing the existing FAQ better
[08:10] <rob^> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects
[08:10] <Madpilot> but some of it - like a super-low-level intro "What is Linux" I'm not qualified to write!
[08:10] <rob^> Madpilot, I'm the lead author of the faq
[08:11] <Madpilot> well, that makes contacting the FAQ maintainer easy...
[08:11] <poningru> rofl
[08:11] <rob^> http://www.linuxhd.com/ubuntufaq/faqi386/C/index.html
[08:12] <rob^> that is a slightly old preview of its current status
[08:13] <poningru> I'd be willing to write the intro to linux things
[08:14] <poningru> cause I have many friends who have questions
[08:14] <poningru> and I keep logs of my convos
[08:14] <poningru> from irc and aim
[08:14] <Madpilot> cool, loot those for ideas. 
[08:14] <rob^> the best way is to send your ideas/suggestions to the ubuntu-doc mailing list
[08:14] <rob^> that way I can have a look at them :)
[08:15] <Madpilot> A super-basic "Ten-word Glossary for Ubuntu & Linux" would be good.
[08:15] <rob^> I'm just about to update that preview to the latest release
[08:15] <rob^> umm.. draft
[08:16] <poningru> whats that guys name?
[08:16] <Madpilot> Def'ns of 'terminal', 'repositories', 'Synaptic', and a few others.
[08:16] <poningru> corey I think
[08:16] <poningru> he blogs on planet
[08:16] <rob^> sorry?
[08:16] <Madpilot> Corey Burger - Burgundavia
[08:16] <poningru> yeah thats it
[08:17] <Madpilot> (my younger brother, btw...)
[08:17] <poningru> there was a list of wiki pages that he was thinking about axing
[08:17] <poningru> one of which was pretty good
[08:17] <poningru> about the intro
[08:17] <rob^> done
[08:18] <Madpilot> hmmm - remember the name of it?
[08:19] <poningru> no thats the prob
[08:19] <poningru> it was pretty well written too
[08:19] <Madpilot> was the list in a blog entry Corey made?
[08:19] <poningru> no
[08:19] <poningru> he talked about it in here
[08:19] <rob^> it will be in categorycleanup
[08:19] <poningru> let me go see
[08:23] <Madpilot> poningru: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation <-- this one? good, a bit messy
[08:27] <poningru> no thats not it
[08:27] <poningru> it was very long
[08:27] <poningru> and pretty messy
[08:28] <Madpilot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LinuxFilesystemsExplained  <-- OK, messy and badly written...
[08:29] <poningru> no it wasnt just a particular system or part
[08:29] <poningru> it had everything
[08:29] <poningru> like history
[08:29] <poningru> of linux
[08:29] <poningru> and gnu
[08:30] <poningru> and things like explaination of where to go in the wiki
[08:31] <Madpilot> OK - sounds good - can't see anything that might be it in the Cleanup list, tho
[08:32] <poningru> still looking
[08:32] <poningru> the list just exploded
[08:32] <poningru> it was like 60 last time I checked
[08:32] <poningru> or something like that
[08:34] <Madpilot> i think Corey's been busy categorizing stuff...
[08:35] <Madpilot> mostly into Cleanup, I think... ;)
[08:35] <rob^> yeah
[08:35] <rob^> pretty much
[08:36] <rob^> there was a lot of stuff that needed it though
[08:36] <Madpilot> yeah
[08:37] <Madpilot> that draft FAQ basically looks nothing at all like the current released FAQ
[08:52] <Madpilot> got it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LinuxIntro
[08:53] <Madpilot> poningru: is that it? ^^^
[08:56] <poningru> hmm let me see
[08:56] <poningru> doh no
[08:58] <poningru> wait
[08:58] <poningru> you know what I can do
[08:58] <poningru> check my logs
[09:11] <rob^> Madpilot, yep
[09:14] <poningru> found it howcome
[09:14] <poningru> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowCome
[09:15] <poningru> searched through 3 days worth of #ubuntu-doc logs
[09:16] <rob^> ouch
[09:16] <rob^> I hope you greped it
[09:16] <poningru> hehe
[09:18] <rob^> I added a link to it on the wiki documents page, feel free to improve it!
[09:18] <poningru> yep
[09:20] <rob^> actually, it really needs to be made shorter, simpler
[09:20] <rob^> :)
[09:20] <rob^> that thing is like a whole novel
[09:21] <Madpilot> "If someone ever tells you to type 'rm -rf /', DON'T DO IT"
[09:21] <Madpilot> heh.
[09:21] <poningru> rofl
[09:21] <poningru> yeah
[09:21] <poningru> but good advice
[09:21] <Madpilot> it's great, but it needs major editing
[09:21] <poningru> though
[09:21] <rob^> yep, I've used that one on people who were bugging me before :P
[09:21] <poningru> see the thing I liked on that is it reads like a friend is helping you out
[09:22] <Madpilot> yeah, it's actual English, not Techlish...
[09:23] <rob^> yes, but people wont read the whole thing
[09:23] <rob^> each section needs to be a couple of paragraphs tops
[09:23] <Madpilot> not it it's current format, no they won't. 
[09:23] <Madpilot> but it can be salvaged
[09:23] <robitaille> Madpilot: ever seen this article about "rm -Rf /" vs "format c:"  http://hohle.net/scrap_post.php?post=23&m=full
[09:24] <rob^> I added a note to the top of it, feel free to remove it when you are done.
[09:25] <poningru> we have to preserve that thing though
[09:25] <poningru> is it ok if we preserve that and start a new article based on that?
[09:30] <Madpilot> here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowComeDraft
[09:31] <robitaille> ?QUIT
[09:34] <Madpilot> poningru: see ^^^
[09:35] <poningru> yep
[09:39] <rob^> nah, there is no need to preserve it
[09:39] <rob^> you can roll back changes
[09:39] <Madpilot> rob^: good point, I keep forgetting wikis do that... doh...
[09:39] <rob^> but if you want to redo the whole thing it might be easier if you start a new page, then merge it
[09:39] <rob^> its up to you really
[09:40] <rob^> I would just edit it in place
[09:40] <Madpilot> I'll leave them both up for tonight and deal with it tomorrow
[09:43] <rob^> ok
[09:45] <Madpilot> need sleep now - having to work Saturdays bites.
[09:45] <rob^> yeah
[09:45] <rob^> I know the pain
[02:31] <littlepaul> I wrote a small german wiki article about ubuntu-doc but i need some further details
[02:32] <rob^> ok
[02:34] <littlepaul> my question is: what is the relationship between the *.po files brought by rosetta and the xml files. 
[02:37] <littlepaul> i mean are this gettext files automaticly merged into the xml files which some tools?
[02:40] <littlepaul> enrico, did you made newer changes on docteam-tools?
[02:40] <enrico> littlepaul: I haven't committed anything since a long time
[03:36] <jsgotangco> errr who is claude peroz?
[03:36] <rob^> ?
[03:36] <jsgotangco> i got a launchpad request for ubuntu doc team
[03:36] <rob^> grr why is mp3.com only allowing me to download one song at a time?
[03:37] <rob^> where can I view it?
[03:37] <jsgotangco> the request? only i can receive requests at the moment
[03:37] <jsgotangco> i just don't remember this guy
[03:37] <rob^> oh, how come?
[03:37] <jsgotangco> how come what
[03:37] <jsgotangco> on the requests?
[03:37] <rob^> ya
[03:38] <jsgotangco> because i haven't set anyone as admin yet
[03:38] <rob^> oh
[03:38] <rob^> what was in the request, anyway?
[03:38] <jsgotangco> its just a standard launchpad request
[03:39] <rob^> ah
[03:46] <jsgotangc1> wretched lcd...
[03:47] <jsgotangc1> it just died
[03:47] <rob^> wow mp3.com really doesn't like firefox 1.0.6
[03:48] <rob^> the front page, anyway
[03:50] <rob^> gee, you would think mp3.com would offer mp3s, but no..
[03:50] <jsgotangco> have you tried newsgroups heh
[03:50] <rob^> I was after unsigned artists mainly
[03:51] <jsgotangco> ahhh understandable...mp3.com used to be great on that field
[03:51] <rob^> I have nicotine for the rest
[03:51] <jsgotangco> until cnet bought it
[03:51] <rob^> yeah, no mp3s..
[03:51] <rob^> all wma
[03:51] <jsgotangco> gyaahh
[03:51] <Nafallo> magnatune.com, and that's all I say :-)
[03:51] <rob^> should rename it wma.com
[03:51] <rob^> yeah I have been
[03:52] <rob^> its good, a bit broken though
[03:52] <jsgotangco> nice link
[03:53] <Nafallo> wfm :-)
[03:53] <Nafallo> bought two albums already :-)
[03:54] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[03:54] <jsgotangco> err..buy?
[03:55] <jsgotangco> oh you can pay as low as $5
[03:55] <Nafallo> yes. for the first time in years I actually bought music :-)
[03:55] <rob^> heh, with the crossfade plugin for bmp playing hifi tracks on magnatune.com is smooth
[03:55] <rob^> like playing off your hd on this 512 connection
[03:56] <Nafallo> hehe
[03:56] <rob^> its nice that they offer those too
[03:56] <jsgotangco> i should buy a player that has ogg support
[03:57] <Nafallo> dist-upgrade _and_ listen to music is awesome :-)
[03:58] <rob^> actually I just got thru writing a guide to bmp for the wiki
[03:58] <rob^> so much better then xmms :)
[03:58] <Nafallo> hmm
[03:58] <Nafallo> :-)
[04:00] <rob^> holy crap. trying to apt-get muine wants to download 16.8mb of archives, including mono!
[04:00] <jsgotangco> hehe
[04:00] <jsgotangco> yes
[04:00] <jsgotangco> because muine is a mono app
[04:00] <jsgotangco> (rockin' mono app btw)
[04:00] <rob^> ouch
[04:00] <jsgotangco> you might as well get blam, tomboy
[04:01] <jsgotangco> heck even beagle if in breezy
[04:01] <Nafallo> but right now it can't download covers ;-)
[04:01] <Nafallo> muine that is
[04:01] <rob^> breezy, heh had another attempt at it the otherday on my testbed pc
[04:01] <rob^> X is still very broken
[04:01] <Nafallo> is it?
[04:02] <Nafallo> it is very much working over here :-)
[04:03] <rob^> nah, locales problems
[04:03] <rob^> I was attempting to ssh into it and run the apps from my desktop pc
[04:03] <rob^> openssh is broken too from what I hear
[04:04] <rob^> I did have breezy working before they messed up X again, but heh
[04:04] <rob^> its not called a testbed pc for nothing :)
[04:05] <Nafallo> haven't daniels fixed the xkb-errors yet?
[04:05] <Nafallo> I fixed them locally ;-)
[04:05] <rob^> well that was 3 days ago
[04:05] <jsgotangco> life on the edge..
[04:05] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:06] <Nafallo> I fixed mine more than a week ago :-)
[04:06] <rob^> I tried, no luck
[04:06] <Nafallo> and openssh isn't broken
[04:06] <Nafallo> probably you were just missing xauth (new package)
[04:06] <rob^> nah it was installed
[04:06] <rob^> I set that up ok
[04:07] <rob^> I was just getting locales problems when trying to ssh into it
[04:07] <Nafallo> ahh
[04:07] <Nafallo> haven't tried that
[04:07] <rob^> and I havent bothered to try and set up the X server on it
[04:08] <rob^> well, when I say ssh into it, I mean I can ssh into it, just attempting to run X programs brings those errors
[04:08] <Nafallo> if I'm out of luck sometime I got my gf's hoaryified shuttle to play on ;-)
[04:09] <rob^> my normal desktop PC is hoary also
[04:09] <rob^> I get the disatisfaction of installing windows on my testbed pc tomorrow so my wife can do her tax
[04:10] <rob^> I don't really trust wine with that :)
[04:10] <rob^> holy crud, its tomorrow already 
[04:11] <Nafallo> hehe
[04:11] <Nafallo> 16:12 here. maybe I should eat breakfast :-P
[04:12] <jsgotangco> coffee..bleah...drink V
[04:12] <jsgotangco> hehe
[04:12] <jsgotangco> or Red Bull
[04:12] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:12] <rob^> nah, being a shiftworker I love my coffee
[04:15] <rob^> Magnatune - We Are Not Evil :)
[04:20] <Nafallo> indeed :-)
[04:20] <Nafallo> they are not
[04:20] <rob^> yeah
[04:20] <rob^> clicking "all rock hifi" give you 700 songs :D
[04:21] <rob^> rock&pop that is
[05:18] <jsgotangco> oh man this canada - denmark thing on a piece of rock no bigger than a football field is making me laugh
[05:18] <jsgotangco> this is nothing compared to the spratleys hehe
[05:45] <jsgotangco> good night