[12:00] <pestilence> Landy: you can check the temp by cat /etc/acpi/thermal_zones/.../temperature
[12:00] <Seveas> and more services (always available, available on all architectures)
[12:00] <Grid_block> How do i filter tar.gz files????
[12:00] <pestilence> where ... is one of the probes
[12:00] <Seveas> Grid_block, 'filter'?
[12:00] <PrimoTurbo> lasindi: You had windows first, you created a partition for linux? How did you do it?
[12:00] <phixion> PrimoTurbo, use partition magic?
[12:00] <LasseL> Seveas, Mez, thanks!
[12:00] <pestilence> Landy: oops, i meant /proc/acpi/ther...
[12:01] <PrimoTurbo> yes I know how to do it, I'm asking how he did it
[12:01] <lasindi> PrimoTurbo, yes, windows was installed on a 24GB partition on a 33GB hard drive,
[12:01] <ridejib> Is there any free software out there comparable to VirtualPC for windows?
[12:01] <Grid_block> Seveas, yeah... i got a sudoku game here ( gnome sudoky 0.2) and its a tar.gz file... how do i install it?
[12:01] <PrimoTurbo> so you made the 24 partition when you install windows xp right?
[12:01] <lasindi> and then I told Ubuntu to install on the remaining free space.
[12:01] <PrimoTurbo> and you had 9 GB left for linux?
[12:01] <lasindi> PrimoTurbo, yes
[12:01] <Landy>  cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM0/temperature
[12:01] <raven3x7> Mez is there an announcement somewhere
[12:01] <raven3x7> ?
[12:01] <Landy> 49 degrees
[12:01] <PrimoTurbo> okay it was free space right?
[12:02] <PrimoTurbo> it wasn't a partition just space u didn't yet use
[12:02] <kemik> Grid_block:  probably ; tar -zxvf sudoku.tar.gz ; ./confgure; make; make install
[12:02] <Mez> raven3x7, on the forums and in the mailing list
[12:02] <Mez> the rubber stamp for fully official should be passed on tuesdya
[12:02] <PrimoTurbo> in ubuntu how did u make it a partiton?
[12:02] <ridejib> Landy: I'm running at 53*C
[12:02] <Seveas> Grid_block, where did you get that? (I want it :))
[12:03] <lasindi> PrimoTurbo, I used the guided partioning
[12:03] <raven3x7> Mez k thanks
[12:03] <PrimoTurbo> good
[12:03] <PrimoTurbo> 1 sec I need to check something
[12:03] <lasindi> it looked fine, it created a primary root partition, and then it created a logical swap partition.
[12:03] <Landy> it feels so warm though. Guess I'm just not used to a lapto
[12:03] <Landy> it feels so warm though. Guess I'm just not used to a laptop
[12:03] <Mittens87> yeah laptops are so heat prone
[12:04] <Mez> raven3x7, you might want to sign up to the mailing list http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-backports
[12:04] <ridejib> Landy: yeah, 49 is a good temperature. Mine feels really hot on my lap as well. I wouldn't worry too much about it
[12:04] <vader1102> Landy: I quit worrying about mine, I have a fan that kicks in when it is too warm
[12:05] <revelater> anyone know of a debian package that doesn't use gnome and allows you to see computers on your network and connect to them to share files?
[12:05] <Grid_block> Seveas, i got to the tar -zxvf sudoku.tar.gz.... it worked but ./configure and make did not succeed
[12:05] <Mittens87> everyone, ubuntu is installing right now, i hope you guys will be able to help me with getting wireless internet running
[12:05] <hybrid_goth> revelater: samba?
[12:05] <revelater> hybrid_goth: graphical
[12:05] <ridejib> Mittens87: is your wireless card already inserted?
[12:05] <AdmiralSenn> hey everyone, I've got a problem with xmms
[12:05] <raven3x7> Mez ill check it out.
[12:05] <hybrid_goth> Mittens87: wats happening?
[12:05] <punkass> smb4k
[12:05] <Seveas> Grid_block, you probably need to install things. If you tell me where you got it from, I'll figure out and tell you what to do :)
[12:05] <vader1102> <----just needs to learn to quit installing other versions of Linux just to play with them lol
[12:05] <Mittens87> everythings setting up now
[12:06] <Mittens87> this is my 2nd attemp with ubuntu
[12:06] <Mittens87> its just installing now
[12:06] <AdmiralSenn> if anyone can tell me why songs appear in the playlist (they're from an ntfs partition) but don't play
[12:06] <revelater> punkass: is that a graphical client?
[12:06] <AdmiralSenn> I'd appreciate it
[12:06] <hybrid_goth> revelater: type smb://computername in nautilus or konquer
[12:06] <punkass> yes
[12:06] <ridejib> Mittens87: is your wireless card inserted already?
[12:06] <PrimoTurbo> lasindi: Sorry, I don't know what else I can say
[12:06] <Mittens87> its one of those that are internal if you may call it that
[12:06] <AdmiralSenn> I get "Input plugin: No input plugin recognized this file"
[12:06] <punkass> http://smb4k.berlios.de/
[12:06] <revelater> punkass: its a 23meg download :P
[12:06] <PrimoTurbo> lasindi: You will need to stick with linux or reformat and get windows if you want it again
[12:06] <AdmiralSenn> and it worked the last time I installed ubuntu..
[12:06] <ridejib> Mittens87: ok, then it should be relatively easy
[12:07] <revelater> hybrid_goth: how about firefox?
[12:07] <vader1102> Mittens87: I have been using it for about 2 weeks and love it, nothing wrong with anything in it if you are new to linux
[12:07] <Landy> vader1102, I got a fan too, but how do you know when that breaks? worry worry worry worry. I got a watch on that temp sensor now
[12:07] <Seveas> AdmiralSenn, you probably need to install codecs
[12:07] <Mittens87> revelator: i ran into problems last time
[12:07] <Seveas> AdmiralSenn: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[12:07] <hybrid_goth> revelater: maybe idk never tried it
[12:07] <punkass> lol well its a non-gnome graphical share mounter...what can i tell ya ;)
[12:07] <PrimoTurbo> lasindi: Try searching around http://ubuntuforums.org
[12:07] <ridejib> AdmiralSenn: what's your question?
[12:07] <Grid_block> seveas, http://linux.softpedia.com/get/GAMES-ENTERTAINMENT/Puzzle/GNOME-Sudoku-3478.shtml
[12:07] <vader1102> Landy, when it gets to where it burns you then it is too hot lol
[12:07] <AdmiralSenn> ridejib: xmms recognizes files from an ntfs partition but returns "Input plugin: No input plugin recognized this file"
[12:08] <AdmiralSenn> and last time I had ubuntu installed it worked
[12:08] <ridejib> AdmiralSenn: what types of files are you trying? mp3's I assume?
[12:08] <Seveas> Grid_block, ok, hang on, I'll send you a private message when I'm done
[12:08] <AdmiralSenn> mp3's
[12:08] <hybrid_goth> !restricted
[12:08] <ubotu> methinks restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:08] <ridejib> AdmiralSenn: have you installed xmms-mp3? It won't recognize them by default
[12:08] <knowledge_> guys...is there a way to make a .deb file from a tar.gz?
[12:08] <vader1102> brb
[12:08] <knowledge_> I really don't like installing those types of files incase I wanna remove them
[12:08] <hybrid_goth> knowledge_: sudo alien -d <pkg>
[12:08] <Mez> knowledge_, read the debian new maintainers guide
[12:09] <AdmiralSenn> ridejib: I didn't see it in synaptic
[12:09] <AdmiralSenn> I'll look again
[12:09] <revelater> hybrid_goth: don't look like it works
[12:09] <hybrid_goth> knowledge_: is it a slackware gz or a source file?
[12:09] <AdmiralSenn> if seveas's suggestion doesn't work
[12:09] <ridejib> AdmiralSenn: have you add repoositories to synaptic?
[12:09] <hybrid_goth> revelater: then it is prolly source
[12:09] <ridejib> !repos
[12:09] <ubotu> well, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[12:09] <knowledge_> hybrid_goth, it's a zsnes emu for linux
[12:09] <hybrid_goth> is the package not in synaptic? with universe enabled
[12:09] <knowledge_> Mez, Will take a look
[12:10] <revelater> hybrid_goth: source?
[12:10] <AdmiralSenn> yeah
[12:10] <squareyes> Mornind all, having problems getting printers to work, suspect faulty parallel port, is there any way I can check it please?
[12:10] <AdmiralSenn> but the one he suggested is already in there
[12:10] <vader1102> bk for now
[12:11] <vader1102> hey there tritium, you get moved yet?
[12:11] <knowledge_> mann the only reason I think linux will never be as mainstream as it could be is because the how to's and the faqs are written in code.
[12:11] <AdmiralSenn> ack
[12:11] <AdmiralSenn> xmms-mp3 isn't in synaptic
[12:12] <raven3x7> Mez im guessing you are affiliated with backports? if so do you have any idea why the mirrors wont authenticate?
[12:12] <sexcopter8000m> AdmiralSenn, it probably is if you add the right repos
[12:12] <Seveas> AdmiralSenn: To make xmms or beep-media-player actually play things, change the audio output plugin to eSound
[12:12] <ridejib> hmm. I am noticing that as well. Well, I found it, but It will not install anything. Yet, my xmms still plays mp3s.
[12:12] <Seveas> xmms has mp3 things builtin
[12:13] <Mez> raven3x7, I'm the SPOC for it, and are you on about old archives or new ones (aka what line is in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:13] <AdmiralSenn> I just did that
[12:13] <AdmiralSenn> got nothing
[12:13] <ridejib> AdmiralSenn: do you have any local sound files you can test in xmms?
[12:14] <AdmiralSenn> nope
[12:14] <ridejib> AdmiralSenn: have any on CD?
[12:14] <AdmiralSenn> I'm getting w32codecs right now
[12:14] <AdmiralSenn> oh
[12:14] <AdmiralSenn> yeah lemme get one
[12:14] <revelater> ok, so can someone tell me how to make mount ask for username and password (i get it to ask for password, but thats all)
[12:15] <raven3x7> Mez http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports
[12:15] <Mez> raven3x7, the old mirrors never were signed, becuase the ignign process was a pain in the ass to do, and we knew we'd be moving to the official ones soon enough
[12:16] <Mittens87> :D yay!!! cable connection works on ubuntu now :D i'm downloading updates now on my laptop, just gotta try wireless
[12:16] <ridejib> Mittens87: congrats.
[12:16] <Mittens87> ty
[12:16] <revelater> anyone??
[12:16] <AdmiralSenn> dum de dum
[12:16] <ridejib> Mittens87: is the cable already going through a router, or a direct connection to the pc?
[12:16] <raven3x7> Mez k ill update my sources then thnks
[12:17] <AdmiralSenn> alkja
[12:17] <AdmiralSenn> no dice
[12:17] <AdmiralSenn> and I don't know how to get xmms to open a cd from inside itself
[12:17] <ridejib> AdmiralSenn: are the codecs finished installing?
[12:17] <revelater> anyone here know mount really well?
[12:17] <AdmiralSenn> just now
[12:18] <revelater> here is the line i use, it only asks for password, i need it to ask for username: mount -t smbfs -o ro //192.168.2.11/documents/ /ntshare
[12:18] <ridejib> AdmiralSenn: right click on xmms anywhere and select "play file"
[12:18] <Mittens87> ridejib its going through a router
[12:18] <ridejib> Mittens87: ok, cool
[12:18] <psychonate> raven3x7, any particular reason?
[12:19] <Mittens87> ridejib do i have to disable my cable connection before i enable wireless?
[12:19] <Thunderguy> Well, I got the right display drivers, X is fine... I tried some help things on the website and can't figure it out Im on a radeon 9000 card. gnome doesn't start a session right away it waits 5-10 minutes with a brown screen and a mouse pointer.
[12:19] <ridejib> AdmiralSenn: then browse to /media/cdrom
[12:19] <revelater> anyone?
[12:19] <psychonate> It's worked very well for me, except recently it's been really messed up.
[12:19] <nomasteryoda> Thunderguy, sounds like a hostname issue?
[12:19] <Mittens87> ridejib its the same connection from the same router, just i'd rather have wireless than connect to it physically
[12:19] <psychonate> I think the problem is related to something else though heh
[12:20] <AdmiralSenn> there's nothing there
[12:20] <ridejib> Mittens87: There may be a way to bridge it, but disabling it works
[12:20] <AdmiralSenn> but it plays in the CD player app
[12:20] <Thunderguy> hmmm..
[12:20] <Thunderguy> something has edited my hosts file.
[12:20] <revelater> nobody can help?
[12:20] <Thunderguy> my hostname is tux the line says: tux localhost.localdomain
[12:21] <Thunderguy> if I take out the .localdomain would that help it?
[12:21] <nomasteryoda> i always on ubuntu at least, just specify the single name like ubuntubox or tuxbox
[12:21] <nomasteryoda> works for me
[12:22] <psychonate> revelater, http://ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountnetworkfolders
[12:22] <bkinman> So i updated wine, and now i can only use it as root... WTF? and if i am not root i run it , and nothing happens..... anyone?
[12:22] <Thunderguy> so all I need is the hostname alone on a line listed in the hosts file?
[12:22] <AdmiralSenn> ridejib: it plays in cd player but xmms doesn't see anything
[12:22] <raven3x7> psychonate, well i dont like the design. and since i dont use the equalizer amarok is  much better suited to my needs imo.
[12:22] <ridejib> hmmm
[12:22] <nomasteryoda> bkinman, hoary?
[12:22] <AdmiralSenn> ridejib: and I can see it in the cd window on the desktop
[12:22] <bkinman> nomasteryoda, yessir.
[12:22] <ridejib> AdmiralSenn: you have restarted xmms since the codecs installed?
[12:22] <hybrid_goth> bkinman: try chown?
[12:23] <AdmiralSenn> yep
[12:23] <bkinman> hybrid_goth, well, it does seem to excecute or something...
[12:23] <kosio> hi there
[12:23] <bkinman> username$wine foo.exe
[12:23] <nomasteryoda> i have not updated mine yet... maybe i won't
[12:23] <bkinman> username$
[12:23] <nomasteryoda> =)
[12:23] <psychonate> raven3x7, I don't know if amarok would have all the plugins I need. Also. does it use qt?
[12:23] <bkinman> hybrid_goth, thats what i get.
[12:24] <raven3x7> yeah it needs a big part of kde
[12:24] <ridejib> AdmiralSenn: hmm, I'm sorry man. It's been so long since I've got mine set up I can't recall exactly what I did aside from that
[12:24] <raven3x7> not just the basics
[12:24] <paulproteus> Music player?  Try quodlibet.
[12:24] <ridejib> AdmiralSenn: Just for giggles, try playing that network mp3 again since you have installed the codecs
[12:24] <kosio> u reading me ?
[12:24] <kosio> anyone?
[12:24] <AdmiralSenn> but I want xmms.. and it worked last time I had ubuntu installed
[12:24] <AdmiralSenn> ridejib: I just did
[12:24] <AdmiralSenn> it's not networked
[12:24] <ridejib> AdmiralSenn: no dice, I assume?
[12:24] <AdmiralSenn> just across a partition
[12:24] <AdmiralSenn> of course
[12:25] <nomasteryoda> AdmiralSenn, it'll work
[12:25] <ridejib> AdmiralSenn: how are you mounting the drive?
[12:25] <nomasteryoda> give just a sec
[12:25] <AdmiralSenn> I had it added to fstab
[12:25] <AdmiralSenn> according to ubuntuguide
[12:25] <ridejib> AdmiralSenn: can you post the line
[12:25] <AdmiralSenn> readonly
[12:25] <AdmiralSenn> lemme find it
[12:25] <psychonate> raven3x7, I don't really like KDE or Gnome heh
[12:26] <psychonate> so, I prefer not to use apps that need them most of the time
[12:26] <w-mute> Hey. folks. Which Ubuntu/GNOME component is responsible for asking for a master passphrase when I want to access e.g. a Samba share (and I don't mean the usual Samba username/password dialog but only the one that asks for a master passphrase)?
[12:26] <AdmiralSenn> /dev/hda1       /media/windows  ntfs    nls=utf8,umask=0222 0       0
[12:26] <AdmiralSenn> that's the last line in fstab
[12:26] <psychonate> Except for K3B. K3B is just too good not to use, and I don't need to have it running all the time anyway
[12:26] <ridejib> w-mute: are you referring to sudo?
[12:27] <Mittens87> ok can someone walk me through switching from a cable connection to a wireless connection?
[12:27] <raven3x7> psychonate, fluxbox? you dont need to have kde running or even insttalled for it to work but  amarok is rather fancy and heavy on resources
[12:27] <linukso> Hi! Might be a silly question, but why are there no -dev package for xscreensaver in the repositories?
[12:27] <raven3x7> K3B is great yeah although gnomebaker is somewhat decent
[12:27] <ridejib> AdmiralSenn: it appears to be missing a "-t" switch after "/media/windows"
[12:27] <Thunderguy> Yeah it didn't help me, I know, and have insured that the hosts are set right.
[12:28] <Seveas> linukso, why would there be?
[12:28] <linukso> Seveas: cause I need the header files :)
[12:28] <AdmiralSenn> okay then
[12:28] <AdmiralSenn> let me try that
[12:28] <christopher> I want to change my resolution. I only have one option. I have a voodoo 3.
[12:28] <w-mute> ridejib: Don't think so. Whenever I click on an icon that represents an SMB share, I normally have to enter my username and password for that share in a graphical dialog. I recall that I once put this information in some GNOME/whatever subsystem that keeps the information encrypted by a master passphrase. Because this does not reliably work I'd like to know which component to blame.
[12:28] <linukso> Seveas: checking for XScreenSaverQueryInfo in -lXext... no :(
[12:29] <AdmiralSenn> actually
[12:29] <AdmiralSenn> let me try mounting it manually
[12:29] <linukso> Seveas: any ideas?
[12:29] <nomasteryoda> AdmiralSenn
[12:29] <Seveas> linukso, find libxext-dev then :)
[12:29] <Seveas> linukso, do you happen to know the name of the headerfile?
[12:29] <Pihl> Hi! Im brand new to Ubuntu, and Linux in generally (but lovin it already). But I dont understand, when I install e new program why it doenst show up in the list?
[12:29] <linukso> Seveas: hmm, that might be something. thanks scrnsaver.h
[12:29] <AdmiralSenn> nomasteryoda?
[12:30] <ridejib> w-mute: i can't recall the exact name, but the type of program is a "keyring"
[12:30] <nomasteryoda> for xmms, look at my post here... http://rafb.net/paste/results/lZ9pjo94.html
[12:30] <linukso> missing a . there :)
[12:30] <w-mute> Phil: which list?
[12:30] <Mittens87> may someone please walk me through swtiching over from a physical cable connection to my router to and wireless connection to the same router?
[12:30] <psychonate> raven3x7, I use XFCE4, but I rather like XMMS, except for the fact that it's been sort of screwed lately.
[12:30] <Seveas> linukso, libxss-dev
[12:30] <Pihl> The application list
[12:30] <Seveas> xss = xscreensaver I guess :)
[12:30] <nomasteryoda> AdmiralSenn, that made mine work
[12:30] <w-mute> ridejib: keyring was what I was guessing but ... let me check.
[12:30] <ridejib> Pihl: it is probably there. Why don't you tell us what you installed and we can direct you where to look for it
[12:31] <eliUbuntu> anyone try to download the dvd iso recently?
[12:31] <AdmiralSenn> what I don't get is why it worked before
[12:31] <Thunderguy> Anyway, it isn't the hosts, Im using Ubuntu right now through irssi as I have no option to using a Gui, The X server works fine and detects everything, Gnome just has trouble starting, is there a way I could reconfigure gnome?
[12:31] <w-mute> Phil: some programs (especially graphical ones) should show up in the Applications menu. Other (e.g. shell programs) don't.
[12:31] <eliUbuntu> i got it through bittorrent and finally got the iso...
[12:31] <eliUbuntu> but, it is named *iso.bc!
[12:31] <Seveas> Thunderguy, remove ~/.Xauthority and ~/.ICEauthority
[12:31] <w-mute> Phil: but you can create Launchers for the programs that don't get added to the menu.
[12:31] <linukso> Seveas: awesome! Thanks! Been searching for xscreensaver, but that didn't return that package :)
[12:31] <Pihl> ridejib Well I tried it with some games. I suppose it should show up in the list containing games, eh
[12:31] <w-mute> Phil: A launcher is an icon that is linked to an application.
[12:31] <Seveas> linukso, thank apt-file, it found it for me :)
[12:32] <AdmiralSenn> ridejib: how should that last line look with the -t in it?
[12:32] <AdmiralSenn> /dev/hda1       /media/windows  -t ntfs    nls=utf8,umask=0222 0       0 like that?
[12:32] <ridejib> Pihl: haha, that does sound like a good assumption. Do me a favor and open a terminal and type in "killall gnome-panel" then check the list again
[12:32] <nomasteryoda> AdmiralSenn, so the error is it just won't play mp3s... did you look at the options and try using esd instead of oss or alsa?
[12:32] <raven3x7> psychonate does xfce have a decent configuration in ubuntu?
[12:32] <AdmiralSenn> yeah
[12:32] <Seveas> AdmiralSenn, that line is bad
[12:33] <AdmiralSenn> Seveas: that's not the line I have
[12:33] <Seveas> AdmiralSenn, ok :)
[12:33] <AdmiralSenn> he said it should have a -t
[12:33] <ridejib> AdmiralSenn: I just double checked my fstab, and there is, in fact no "-t". My apologies.
[12:33] <AdmiralSenn> so I added it there, but I'm asking first
[12:33] <AdmiralSenn> k
[12:33] <Seveas> AdmiralSenn, only if you use mount directly :)
[12:33] <levander> There is any way to quiet the output of cdrecord, for running from cron?
[12:33] <LasseL> AdmiralSenn, I have /dev/hda1       /media/win_c    ntfs    ro,dmask=0222,fmask=0333 0 0
[12:33] <squareyes>  Morning all, having problems getting printers to work, suspect faulty parallel port, is there any way I can check it please? ls /dev/lp0
[12:33] <squareyes> /dev/lp0  shows it's there
[12:33] <linukso> Seveas: hmmm... :-S, never used that... Learn something every day. Maybe the file search option should be in synaptic (then I would have found it :) )
[12:33] <AdmiralSenn> well I know it's mounted right then
[12:34] <Seveas> linukso, it shouldn't
[12:34] <Seveas> since it requires quite a bit of diskspace :)
[12:34] <abarbaccia_> why wont irc let me change my nick?  it says  abarbaccia :The hand of the deity is upon thee, thy nick may not change (#please_register)
[12:34] <Seveas> abarbaccia_, if you are in #please_register you cannot change your nickna,e
[12:35] <Thunderguy> Yeah, removing .Xauthority .ICEauthority didn't work either.
[12:35] <Seveas> so leave that channel, change it and rejoin
[12:35] <Mittens87> can someone please help me connect to my wireless internet connection?
[12:35] <eliUbuntu> anyone ever get a strange torrent file that is supposed to be an iso and has the name *iso.bc!  ?
[12:35] <w-mute> ridejib: thanks for your insight and have a nice one!
[12:35] <linukso> Seveas: but it could have been a plugin :
[12:35] <Pihl> ridejib, does not seem to work
[12:36] <Thunderguy> Is there a way to completely reconfigure Gnome?
[12:36] <Pihl> ridejib, if im being a total fool please let me know and i?l read some more ;)
[12:36] <eliUbuntu> Mittens87, what problems are you having?
[12:36] <ridejib> Pihl: it is possible these games do no have desktop entries.
[12:36] <ridejib> Pihl: if they don't have desktop entries, they won't appear in the menu. Let's try something else... give me one second
[12:36] <mjr> Thunderguy, delete (or move elsewhere for safekeeping) your .gnome* and .gconf* directories, that should about do it
[12:37] <Pihl> ridejib, I guess so. Its just random games for me to try installing...
[12:37] <Thunderguy> ah, ok thanks.
[12:37] <nomasteryoda> Thunderguy, yea, that might help
[12:37] <mjr> Thunderguy, recommend doing that while not logged into gnome, or restarting gnome directly after
[12:37] <nomasteryoda> if you upgraded, esp.
[12:37] <Mittens87> i make the ethernet connection inactive and make the wireless connection active i click properties enter the essid and wep key and check the "this device is configued" box configuration is set at dhcp and it still doesnt connect
[12:37] <Thunderguy> yeah I killed it.
[12:37] <eliUbuntu> Mittens87, let get you a link on this
[12:37] <ridejib> Pihl: do you know what the filename of the game is that you installed?
[12:37] <eliUbuntu> there is a good page for it
[12:38] <nomasteryoda> Mittens87, did you change the hostname?
[12:38] <Mittens87> no, what do i change it to?
[12:38] <nomasteryoda> no
[12:38] <ridejib> Pihl: and you installed these via apt-get (or synaptic)
[12:38] <scotta2700> hello
[12:38] <nomasteryoda> Mittens87,  just wanted that bit of info
[12:38] <scotta2700> i'm completely new to ubuntu
[12:38] <Mittens87> nomasteryoda in hostname it just says ubuntu
[12:38] <nomasteryoda> Mittens87, in Terminal type "dmesg"
[12:38] <scotta2700> anyone able to help me out?
[12:39] <Pihl> ridejib, synaptic. Its called "acm"
[12:39] <scotta2700> or let me know if it will do what i want it to do
[12:39] <eliUbuntu> i cannot find it Mittens87. I will tell you how to do it in the terminal
[12:39] <nomasteryoda> look at bottom of that list for any issues with your wifi card
[12:39] <scotta2700> no?
[12:39] <Thunderguy> Yeah it isn't working either.
[12:39] <eliUbuntu> oh, nomasteryoda is already helping you out. i will just watch
[12:39] <ridejib> Pihl: in a terminal window, try typing in "whereis acm". I'm guessing it will return "/usr/games/acm"
[12:39] <scotta2700> anyone?
[12:40] <nomasteryoda> eliUbuntu, trying
[12:40] <nomasteryoda> thks
[12:40] <Thunderguy> I'm only assuming Gnome is processing internal errors and that is why it takes so long to load.
[12:40] <nomasteryoda> i have done several wifi setups on ubuntu
[12:40] <Pihl> ridejib, it returned acm: /usr/games/acm /usr/share/man/man6/acm.6.gz
[12:40] <nomasteryoda> atheros cards and intel crud
[12:40] <ridejib> scotta2700: jsut post your question, someone will answer
[12:40] <scotta2700> i can't see my other hdd on this at alll..how would i get it mounted?? i think that's what i gotta do...
[12:40] <eliUbuntu> same here, i use iwlist, dhclient and iwconfig now
[12:41] <nomasteryoda> Thunderguy, good asumption.. but you can look at the xorg error log too
[12:41] <eliUbuntu> atheros cards work nicely with ubuntu (from my own experience)
[12:41] <Mittens87> nomasteryoday when i typed in dmesg it gave me a bunch of error messages
[12:41] <ridejib> Pihl: ok, give me just a second to type up how to do this
[12:41] <Pihl> ridejib, sure :)
[12:41] <nomasteryoda> Mittens87, can you go to http://rafb.net/paste and paste them it would help
[12:41] <nomasteryoda> at least the bottom few lines
[12:41] <Thunderguy> I recompiled X entirely.
[12:42] <Thunderguy> well, reconfigured. with dpkg
[12:42] <Mittens87> nomasteryoda ok
[12:42] <nomasteryoda> phungus, like that nick
[12:42] <nomasteryoda> =_
[12:42] <ridejib> Pihl: before I type it up, let me know if the game actually works... in the terminal window just type in "acm". Does the game load up?
[12:42] <Mittens87> nomasteryoda i'm on a different computer it might take a while i guess i'll jsut type it out
[12:42] <scotta2700> i'm trying to play an MP3 that i dled from napster and a friend said it might play in this anyone know for sure??
[12:43] <virtuel> hm. does anyone know how to get soundjuicer to work with mp3?
[12:43] <virtuel> (and I have already installed lame and everything else)
[12:43] <Pihl> ridejib, yeah. With extremely bad  graphics, lol
[12:44] <scotta2700> becasue i can't even get a hdd mounted to see my files(i'm running the ubuntu with a live cd
[12:44] <ridejib> hahah, well, it's a start.
[12:44] <scotta2700> again i'm new to this thing so any help would be awesome
[12:45] <levander> There is a command line alternative to cdrecord?  cdrecord isn't inter-operating with cron so good.
[12:45] <ridejib> Pihl: in terminal type in "sudo gedit /usr/share/applications/acm.desktop"
[12:45] <Pihl> ridejib, rather its the end for me with THIS game :)
[12:45] <scotta2700> ...
[12:45] <AdmiralSenn> I'm just going to try compiling xmms from source
[12:46] <scotta2700> ...
[12:46] <scotta2700> nobody?
[12:46] <scotta2700> this saddens me lol
[12:47] <ridejib> sorry scotta2700, I've never used a LiveCD.
[12:47] <scotta2700> dang...
[12:47] <AdmiralSenn> scotta2700: I don't know if you can mount a hard drive from a live cd
[12:47] <ridejib> Pihl: have you gotten that file open?
[12:47] <AdmiralSenn> it's a live cd.. not an installer
[12:47] <scotta2700> agreed
[12:47] <AdmiralSenn> but I don't know
[12:48] <Pihl> ridejob, no an empty window opened...
[12:48] <scotta2700> i dont wanna install ubuntu yet... does anyone know about the protections on the Napster MP3 files?? i had to uninstall it and now none of them will play
[12:48] <IneedUbuntuHelp> installing from cd rom, wanting to keep xp on my HD and create partition.  i;m at the 'partition discs' screen.  i have 8 choices and no idea what to do.  configure software raid, confirure logical volume manager, guided partitioning, etc.  what to do?  total newbie here.
[12:48] <ridejib> Pihl: ok, that is fine. We're going to put some stuff in it now :)
[12:48] <ridejib> Pihl: as I type in lines, just add them to that file sequentially
[12:49] <DekaPink> I wish I knew what I did to break mplayer and mplayer plugin. :3
[12:49] <Pihl> Ah, thought so.  Was guessing that I was just being dumb :)
[12:49] <scotta2700> i wonder what protections it usesand what not
[12:49] <Pihl> ridejib, before you do that...
[12:49] <ridejib> ?
[12:49] <AdmiralSenn> ack
[12:50] <AdmiralSenn> compiling xmms I get this
[12:50] <AdmiralSenn> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[12:50] <AdmiralSenn> See `config.log' for more details.
[12:50] <scotta2700> hmm
[12:50] <ridejib> AdmiralSenn: install gcc
[12:50] <nomasteryoda> i just stay logged in here... so msg me if you need to Mittens87
[12:50] <AdmiralSenn> well
[12:50] <AdmiralSenn> I guess I could go up a version or two
[12:50] <Pihl> ridejib, then just let me say that I was trying this. I had no idea it would require so much. Perhaps it?l be better for me to learn the basics of doing this instead?
[12:50] <AdmiralSenn> apparently the default upgrader didn't do that
[12:50] <scotta2700> nobody knows how to crack the thing and it saddens me but o well
[12:51] <dip[x] > my resolution is set to 1280x1024, when I do ctrl + alt + "+" to switch the resolution to 1024x768, the screen becomes larger than the monitor, how can I fix this ?
[12:51] <ridejib> Pihl: this is actually pretty simple. Once I send you these lines, you should be able to read the file and understand what it is doing
[12:51] <ridejib> it's only about 5 lines long
[12:51] <Pihl> ridejib: Ok, if you say so. :)
[12:51] <AdmiralSenn> ridejib: it did it again
[12:51] <AdmiralSenn> with gcc 4.0
[12:52] <ridejib> Pihl: it's either this, or study chemistry, and I think i would rather poke myself in the eyes than do that
[12:52] <ridejib> Pihl: [Desktop Entry] 
[12:52] <ridejib> Pihl: Name=acm
[12:52] <Pihl> ridejib: I would rather poke your eyes than do that myself so..:)
[12:53] <Madeye> hi
[12:53] <ridejib> Pihl: Comment=small description of game (line is optional)
[12:53] <ridejib> Pihl: Exec=/usr/games/acm
[12:53] <ridejib> Pihl: Icon=path-to-icon.png
[12:54] <ridejib> Pihl: Terminal=false
[12:54] <ridejib> Pihl: Type=Application
[12:54] <ridejib> Pihl: Categories=GNOME;Application;Game;
[12:54] <Pihl> Terminal=false means "no check"
[12:55] <ridejib> come again?
[12:55] <Pihl> sorry, forgot the question mark
[12:55] <ridejib> I don't know what you are asking?
[12:56] <AdmiralSenn> ah there we go
[12:56] <Pihl> Terminal=false... Does that mean that the box should not be checked...
[12:56] <AdmiralSenn> compiling
[12:56] <AdmiralSenn> aGLKJHgb
[12:56] <ridejib> Pihl: correct
[12:56] <abarbaccia> hey any guru's here wanna explain this statement to me: Application was developed in user space only. Provides good portability at the cost of performance. Performance can be increased by implementing user plane handling in kernel space.
[12:56] <ridejib> Pihl: are you using a menu editor?
[12:56] <DekaPink> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32495 <- I did this and now totem and mplayer don't want to work. :3
[12:56] <Pihl> allright. Well its just difficult beacuse my version is in another language...
[12:57] <ridejib> I see
[12:57] <Pihl> yes
[12:57] <AdmiralSenn> *** The glib-config script installed by GLIB could not be found
[12:57] <AdmiralSenn> *** If GLIB was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in
[12:57] <AdmiralSenn> *** your path, or set the GLIB_CONFIG environment variable to the
[12:57] <AdmiralSenn> *** full path to glib-config.
[12:57] <AdmiralSenn> configure: error: *** GLIB >= 1.2.2 not installed - please install first ***
[12:57] <AdmiralSenn> whoa
[12:57] <AdmiralSenn> that was more than I thought it would be
[12:57] <nomasteryoda> lol
[12:58] <Pihl> ridejib: Funny, there seem to be missing some subfolders under type>application
[12:58] <ridejib> Pihl: such as what?
[12:58] <Pihl> ridejib: I can choose: Directory, Link, FSDevice and some more
[12:58] <AdmiralSenn>  what the heck
[12:59] <AdmiralSenn> glib isn't in synaptic
[12:59] <AdmiralSenn> at all
[12:59] <AdmiralSenn> glibc is
[12:59] <AdmiralSenn> or the docs for it
[12:59] <linukso> Has anyone had any success with netapplet? Seems like a nice app, but no networks are available from it. The networks works perfect otherwise...
[12:59] <ridejib> Pihl, the simplest way to make the menu item is by editing the text file directly
[01:00] <nomasteryoda> AdmiralSenn, look for it under description
[01:00] <AdmiralSenn> DIEEE
[01:00] <nomasteryoda> instead of name
[01:01] <Pihl> ridejib: Ok, give me two minutes. I?l do that
[01:01] <AdmiralSenn> didn't find anything that might be what's referenced in that error
[01:02] <ridejib> Pihl: okay
[01:02] <faen> aloha folks, just on a fresh install of ubuntu, got kde up & running, anyone know how to regenerate the kde menus to show newly installed apps?
[01:03] <faen> normally a fluxbox user but trying kde for the fun of it
[01:03] <bonvenon> AdmiralSenn, are you searching for the libglib package?
[01:03] <AdmiralSenn> bonvenon: I'm searching for 'glib'
[01:03] <Razor-X> faen: it auto refreshes
[01:03] <AdmiralSenn> because the error says I need "GLIB >= 1.2.2"
[01:03] <Razor-X> it wasn't installed in the menu is the most likely
[01:04] <faen> Razor-X: hmm, I logged in and out and it still has not
[01:04] <Pihl> ridejib: Damn, I have a problem that need urgent care first. I need to set the language code to the correct ISO-8xxxx... Where the xxxx do I do that??
[01:04] <MyKq3> who can i change the volums names in "computer" icon ???
[01:04] <Razor-X> faen: you have to add it yourself
[01:04] <faen> any idea how?
[01:04] <ridejib> Pihl: This is after you tried to click the new icon?
[01:05] <Ombr> Bonsoir
[01:05] <bonvenon> AdmiralSenn: I'm not sure, but I think libglib1.2 is the package you are looking for
[01:05] <faen> like on fluxbox I would run fluxbox-generate-menu
[01:05] <Razor-X> faen: it's pretty easy, actually
[01:05] <faen> and it would update auto
[01:05] <Razor-X> faen: not every app is added to the menu
[01:05] <faen> hmm, well these are games I just grabbed
[01:06] <Razor-X> they don't have to be added to the menu ;)
[01:06] <ridejib> Pihl: you can add the line "Encoding=UTF-8" just below "[Desktop Entry] " in that file
[01:06] <linukso> faen: I dont think all games have a menu entry
[01:06] <AdmiralSenn> bonvenon: that's already installed
[01:06] <faen> Hmm, odd
[01:06] <AdmiralSenn> now I get a gtk error
[01:06] <bonvenon> AdmiralSenn, do you have the libglib1.2-dev package installed?
[01:06] <faen> I can't really remember what I got so that kinda makes it hard to run them
[01:06] <faen> lol
[01:06] <ridejib> faen: I, too, am a fan of fluxbox, but haven't used it since I left Fedora :-\
[01:06] <AdmiralSenn> bonvenon: yes
[01:06] <Razor-X> I just did a search in my 211,293 lines of logs here of people that use more than one punctuation mark in a series
[01:06] <MyKq3> like i only want to change the volum names from "media" to whatever ( http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/6443/screenshot3dc.jpg"
[01:06] <bonvenon> AdmiralSenn, you need the dev package for compiling
[01:07] <linukso> faen: most games stick their binaries in /usr/games
[01:07] <MyKq3> does any one have any ideals?
[01:07] <revelater> how can i connect to the ner\t without dhcp?
[01:07] <linukso> should be easy to find theme there....
[01:07] <faen> ridejib: I just installed it, i'll be switching to flux after I poke around KDE for a few hours
[01:07] <revelater> *net
[01:07] <Razor-X> wow, so many people do ``??????'' on useless questions ;)
[01:07] <revelater> faen: yeah flux!!!
[01:07] <Razor-X> I hate fluxbox, it's godawful ;)
[01:07] <faen> fluxbox rules
[01:07] <Razor-X> for a nice minimalistic interface, XFce is my favorite
[01:07] <linukso> faen: what do you think is so great about fluxbox
[01:07] <ridejib> faen: have fun. I had KDE on my desktop for a whole of 20 minutes before I got sick to my stomach
[01:07] <Razor-X> or E
[01:07] <bonvenon> AdmiralSenn, checked the version?
[01:07] <revelater> Razor-X: whats so bad about it
[01:08] <moparfan90> hello
[01:08] <faen> this is my last desktop: http://gawth.org/ss1.jpg
[01:08] <AdmiralSenn> bonvenon: it's the right one
[01:08] <Pihl> ridejib: The commands you gave me, are they all it takes? Cause  theres this language problem that need to be solved first. I know it from XP also... So if its all the commands, I better try find some fellow countrymen to have it fixed...
[01:08] <Razor-X> revelater: the fact that everything's a contrast of basic colors
[01:08] <Razor-X> for a GUI, in the rare cases I want to use one, I want something appealing
[01:08] <revelater> Razor-X: you know you can get good backgrounds and themes
[01:08] <Razor-X> that, and the fact that KDE's document viewers kick ass
[01:08] <Razor-X> revelater: or you can write them yourself?
[01:08] <revelater> Razor-X: REALLY good themes
[01:08] <ridejib> Pihl: are you saying that the application runs in a different language?
[01:08] <bonvenon> AdmiralSenn, ok then I'm afraid I won't be of much help
[01:09] <Razor-X> the very support that Fluxbox gives is _much_ less compared to E
[01:09] <revelater> Razor-X: yeah i supose you could
[01:09] <Razor-X> both KPDF and KDVI are awesome
[01:09] <ridejib> faen: not too bad looking. flux is sooo clean
[01:09] <Razor-X> xgdvi was _ok_, but nothing compared to KDVI
[01:09] <linukso> used fluxbox before, but got pretty tired of editing menu and config files by hand.... gnome is a bit more civilized...
[01:09] <Razor-X> linukso: you use a GUI to edit?
[01:09] <moparfan90> lets take a poll: what do you like better 1: gnome  2:kde
[01:10] <PrimoTurbo> Need some quick help, I have MPlayer open and it doesn't close what command can I use to force it to close. Thanks.
[01:10] <Razor-X> I like Fluxbox's less-sugar attitude, but, eh, the sugar goes bad fast ;)
[01:10] <revelater> 3:fluxbox
[01:10] <Razor-X> 2
[01:10] <kyncani2> PrimoTurbo: xkill
[01:10] <revelater> but if i HAD to choose between the two.. KDE
[01:10] <linukso> Razor-X: for fluxbox? yes, what else?
[01:10] <Razor-X> moparfan90: this is #ubuntu, isn't that a bit biased?
[01:10] <Pihl> ridejib: No, but that there words and sign I can write because of the different key and language settings
[01:10] <GammaRay> twm all the way!
[01:10] <AdmiralSenn> KILLLLLL
[01:10] <PrimoTurbo> is it really xkill
[01:10] <Razor-X> linukso: emacs is all I use to edit
[01:10] <Razor-X> ;)
[01:10] <moparfan90> not realy
[01:10] <PrimoTurbo> xkill mplayer?
[01:10] <Razor-X> (or, before, vi)
[01:10] <jmspeex> how can I get the patches and .config used for ubuntu kernels?
[01:10] <PrimoTurbo> or just xkill?
[01:11] <Razor-X> PrimoTurbo: just xkill
[01:11] <witless> fluxbox might be bearable with a gui config editor, and a well-integrated launcher that allows you to launch an app with a single click instead of wrestling with the slippy-slidey menu system
[01:11] <Pihl> ridejib: I meant "can not"
[01:11] <PrimoTurbo> k
[01:11] <PrimoTurbo> thnx
[01:11] <GammaRay> jmspeex: /boot for the latter
[01:11] <Razor-X> xkill will let you click on something and kill it
[01:11] <linukso> Razor-X: eh, that came out wrong :), no I dont use a gui, thats what becomes boring after a while...
[01:11] <AdmiralSenn> DAMMIT WHY IS GTK NOT LISTED AS SIMPLY 'GTK'?
[01:11] <revelater> i can't stand the console version of emacs though...
[01:11] <bonvenon> AdmiralSenn, are you trying to install xmms?
[01:11] <Razor-X> linukso: oh, you have to use Fluxbox configs?
[01:11] <PrimoTurbo> I see
[01:11] <Razor-X> ewww, that is nasty
[01:11] <PrimoTurbo> Thanks a lot
[01:11] <AdmiralSenn> bonvenon: I was
[01:11] <PrimoTurbo> cool little thing too
[01:11] <AdmiralSenn> now I'm trying to compile it
[01:11] <ridejib> Pihl: I'm still slightly confused, but each of those lines I sent you can be altered for multiple languages, as so: Name[az] =Didklr
[01:11] <AdmiralSenn> because it's being retarded
[01:11] <Razor-X> AdmiralSenn: because there are different versions?
[01:12] <ridejib> where az is the language code
[01:12] <witless> just buy lotsa memory and cpu, and run gnome, and be happy
[01:12] <ridejib> is that what you are getting at?
[01:12] <AdmiralSenn> Razor-X: then it should say GTK - 1.2 or whatever
[01:12] <AdmiralSenn> instead I get gtk - 8475983908ulzkjbl; LKJFJL:KSG:LKJBNj;kFL GLKvNB:LKGN:LDNF RANDOM PACKAGES YOU DON'T WANT
[01:12] <Razor-X> XFce is nice, E is nicer, Ratpoison is awesome for those of you fed up with the mouse
[01:12] <Razor-X> AdmiralSenn: why don't you want them?
[01:12] <GammaRay> Ratpoison is flawed
[01:12] <LasseL> don't forget openbox
[01:12] <witless> i like gnome but i remove the bottom panel and the window selector applet in the upper right hand corner, mac-style.  works very well
[01:13] <linukso> LasseL: now thats a more reasonable wm :)
[01:13] <jmspeex> GammaRay: Thanks. No idea about the patches? Is ubuntu's kernel close to vanilla?
[01:13] <ridejib> I like these little gDesklet thingamajiggers
[01:13] <Razor-X> AdmiralSenn: what crap?
[01:13] <witless> GammaRay: what are the shortcomings of ratpoison?
[01:13] <ridejib> specifically "starterbar"
[01:13] <Razor-X> I see no crap on the package names
[01:13] <Pihl> ridejib: 1) holding the ctrl-alt+"number" does not give me the symbols I need not even "at"... 2) I somehow hate to bother you with a trivial matter as this..:)
[01:13] <GammaRay> jmspeex: apt-get source something... not sure what the package is
[01:13] <shadeofgrey> hey - everybody who codes Ubnuntu - THANKS A MILLION... You've made my transition from Windows to Linux painless.
[01:13] <witless> BTW, i can't use ubuntu until the painfully slow networking problem is fixed
[01:14] <ridejib> Pihl: sorry. I am no language guru :-\ I am an English only type, so these problem I have never dealt with before
[01:14] <linukso> Ratpoison offers little more than screen... besides that you can run firefox in it
[01:14] <Razor-X> libgtk2.0-bin
[01:14] <Razor-X> how much crap is there?
[01:15] <AdmiralSenn> Razor-X: tons
[01:15] <GammaRay> witless: most apps just arn't designed to be put in fixed sized boxes that don't overlap
[01:15] <Razor-X> lib == library, gtk == name of the package, 2.0 == version number, -bin == binary
[01:15] <LokeDK> How do I set my system charset? I've done it in .bashrc once.. but I've forgot how to
[01:15] <AdmiralSenn> well
[01:15] <Razor-X> that's the common Linux naming system, it gets confusing elsewise
[01:15] <Pihl> ridejib: I thought so. Its the same problem with windows. But in Windows I know how to fix it. I do not in Ubuntu...
[01:15] <AdmiralSenn> that package is installed
[01:15] <Razor-X> AdmiralSenn: so?
[01:15] <linukso> LokeDK: systemwide -> /etc/enviroment
[01:15] <AdmiralSenn> so it says I need gtk anyway
[01:15] <LasseL> LokeDK, why would you want to change from UTF-8 ?
[01:15] <Razor-X> there are others as well
[01:15] <AdmiralSenn> it says I need 1.2 or later
[01:16] <LasseL> LokeDK, #ubuntu-dk :)
[01:16] <witless> does anyone know how to fix the slow networking problem?  i disabled ipv6, still takes 20 secs to get a web page to come up
[01:16] <LokeDK> LasseL, because I'm danish
[01:16] <Razor-X> like libgtk2.0-common
[01:16] <Pihl> But if the commands you gave me is all there is to it, I will try it again as soon as I've fixed the language thing
[01:16] <Razor-X> and libgtk-2.0-0
[01:16] <AdmiralSenn> have that one
[01:16] <AdmiralSenn> and that one
[01:16] <linukso> LokeDK: then utf-8 should be perfect for you!
[01:16] <LinuxJones> witless, in firefox ?
[01:17] <witless> LinuxJones: all network apps
[01:17] <Razor-X> AdmiralSenn: i'll show you what I have installed gtk-wise
[01:17] <linukso> witless: pimp your network, by more bandwidth :)
[01:17] <Razor-X> AdmiralSenn: look at flood
[01:17] <tucoz> Hi, I've heard breezy have issues. But as it looks I cannot run hoary because of some acpi-issues after dist-upgrade. Are there any major issues with breezy, and in that case what?
[01:17] <linukso> witless: arg, s/by/buy(;
[01:17] <Razor-X> #flood, rather
[01:17] <witless> definitely not a bandwidth issue
[01:17] <AdmiralSenn> oh
[01:17] <LinuxJones> witless, you sure ipv6 has been disabled ?? do lsmod | grep ip     to be sure
[01:17] <AdmiralSenn> there we go
[01:17] <AdmiralSenn> now it went by the gtk section
[01:17] <Pihl> LokeDK: You're Danish, right?
[01:17] <Razor-X> AdmiralSenn: are you compiling?
[01:18] <AdmiralSenn> yes..
[01:18] <witless> LinuxJones: i'm in debian-side ATM but i renamed ipv6.ko and rebooted
[01:18] <LokeDK> Pihl, yes
[01:18] <witless> (sid)
[01:18] <Razor-X> AdmiralSenn: ......................................
[01:18] <revelater> so how do i connect to the net with a static ip?
[01:18] <LinuxJones> witless, that should do it
[01:18] <Razor-X> AdmiralSenn: DUHRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[01:18] <AdmiralSenn> Razor-X: I'm compiling xmms
[01:18] <jmspeex> GammaRay: OK, I found linux-patch-ubuntu-2.6.11
[01:18] <ridejib> Pihl: yes, just add those lines into that file, and once your language problem is resolved, that is all there is to it
[01:18] <Razor-X> you need the dev package, duh!!
[01:18] <AdmiralSenn> I know
[01:18] <Razor-X> XD
[01:18] <AdmiralSenn> I had it
[01:18] <AdmiralSenn> the whole time
[01:18] <witless> LinuxJones: didn't  :-(
[01:18] <AdmiralSenn> and it didn't work
[01:18] <LinuxJones> witless, your debina box is working ok ?
[01:18] <AdmiralSenn> al';fahk
[01:19] <AdmiralSenn> again with the not working
[01:19] <LinuxJones> witless, err debian
[01:19] <witless> LinuxJones: yeah, fine
[01:19] <Razor-X> libgtk2.0-dev ?
[01:19] <AdmiralSenn> yes
[01:19] <Mittens87> has anyone here installed wine on their ubuntu system?
[01:19] <ridejib> Mittens87: yes
[01:19] <AdmiralSenn> Mittens87: unsuccessfully..
[01:19] <Razor-X> Mittens87: yes
[01:19] <Pihl> ridejib: I think it might be solved in a couple of minutes. But thank you very much. Its so great learning new stuff :)
[01:19] <Razor-X> AdmiralSenn: sudo aptitude install wine
[01:19] <kyncani> AdmiralSenn: you said you need gtk1.2
[01:19] <Mittens87> help me out, the instrutions i'm reating at www.winehq.com must be out of date
[01:19] <shadeofgrey> can anybody please take a minute and give me guideance on how to use Dreamweaver with ubuntu?
[01:19] <witless> i'm gonna reboot into ubuntu
[01:20] <AdmiralSenn> Razor-X: I had it installed
[01:20] <kyncani> AdmiralSenn: that's libgtk1.2-dev
[01:20] <Razor-X> AdmiralSenn: you needed GTK 1.2, correct?
[01:20] <AdmiralSenn> just not working
[01:20] <ridejib> Pihl, no problem. Just passing on help that was given to me
[01:20] <AdmiralSenn> no
[01:20] <AdmiralSenn> it installed fine
[01:20] <AdmiralSenn> I just couldn't figure it out
[01:20] <Razor-X> ...... -_-
[01:20] <AdmiralSenn> or maybe it was broken
[01:20] <AdmiralSenn> nobody knew
[01:20] <Razor-X> I just ran ``wine /mnt/windows/WINDOWS/notepad.exe'' as my test
[01:20] <Razor-X> et voila
[01:20] <revelater> anyone?
[01:20] <ridejib> shadeofgrey: why not use "Nvu" for your web-authoring?
[01:21] <Razor-X> revelater: what is it?
[01:21] <Razor-X> AdmiralSenn: that's from my own Windows partition, by the way
[01:21] <AdmiralSenn> Razor-X: I believe you
[01:21] <revelater> Razor-X: connect to the net with static ip, no dhcp
[01:21] <AdmiralSenn> I just didn't know how to work it
[01:21] <Prof_Frink> Razor-X: notepad should be in windows/system32, not just windows/
[01:21] <Razor-X> revelater: so?
[01:21] <Razor-X> Prof_Frink: i'm sorry *gasp*
[01:22] <Razor-X> I forgot my Windows directories ;)
[01:22] <ridejib> lol
[01:22] <revelater> Razor-X: i can configure everything proper, but i can never get internet access
[01:22] <Razor-X> Prof_Frink: and it should be WINDOWS not windows
[01:22] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: whats happening? Besides being a smart ass?
[01:22] <hybrid_goth> lol
[01:22] <AdmiralSenn> AAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHZZ
[01:22] <hybrid_goth> lol
[01:22] <ridejib> AdmiralSenn: why not try using Beep?
[01:22] <hybrid_goth> AdmiralSenn: killall literally?
[01:22] <Prof_Frink> indeed, although I'm in windows atm, so don't care about case-sensitivity
[01:22] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: i'm just fed up with ``whats wrong with my res??????????? help plz!!!!!!!!''
[01:22] <hybrid_goth> or muine
[01:23] <shadeofgrey> ridejib:  because dreamweaver is what i do for a job.  if i cant run it on ubuntu, somebody say so now so i can reformat and replace windows
[01:23] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: heh
[01:23] <Razor-X> AdmiralSenn: why are you compiling xmms?
[01:23] <AdmiralSenn> Razor-X: because the synaptic-installed one doesn't work
[01:23] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: prolly added featurws
[01:23] <revelater> grr
[01:23] <ridejib> shadeofgrey: that is an excellent reason. Are you familiar with Wine?
[01:23] <revelater> i have no internet without dhcp
[01:23] <Razor-X> AdmiralSenn: what doesen't work?
[01:23] <hybrid_goth> AdmiralSenn: got restricted?
[01:23] <AdmiralSenn> it shows my files but does not play ANY of them
[01:23] <hybrid_goth> !restricted
[01:23] <ubotu> I heard restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:23] <Razor-X> AdmiralSenn: ......
[01:23] <shadeofgrey> ridejib:  yes.
[01:23] <AdmiralSenn> I followed instructions there
[01:23] <Razor-X> !tell AdmiralSenn about restritedformats
[01:23] <AdmiralSenn> nothing
[01:23] <shadeofgrey> but ive never installed it or anything
[01:24] <AdmiralSenn> I already saw that
[01:24] <shadeofgrey> ive just perused the website for it
[01:24] <ridejib> shadeofgrey: do you have the installation disk for DW?
[01:24] <Razor-X> AdmiralSenn: then use VLC, like me
[01:24] <Razor-X> instead of using illegal stuff ;)
[01:24] <shadeofgrey> yes of course
[01:24] <Razor-X> (because that's what w32codecs is)
[01:24] <AdmiralSenn> but it was working flawlessly last time
[01:24] <hybrid_goth> or mplayer from source which pwns
[01:24] <ridejib> ok, so where are you having difficulty?
[01:24] <AdmiralSenn> lksgj;lkrjtjdljlgdh
[01:24] <Razor-X> (w32codecs is illegal, after all)
[01:25] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: you know, I had two ideas
[01:25] <shadeofgrey> im scared to try it - i dont want the ubuntu installation to get unstable because of my ignorance... im asking for general guidance and any warnings ahead of time so i save myself as many headaches as posible.
[01:25] <shadeofgrey> whats the difference between wine and winex?
[01:25] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: what?
[01:25] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: I was thinking of making a podcast, but using a TTS instead of actually talking
[01:25] <hybrid_goth> TTS?
[01:25] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: the other one is a bit lengthy to explain here, se head to offtopic
[01:25] <revelater> dang
[01:25] <Razor-X> Text To Speech engine
[01:25] <virtuel> tts=text-to-speech
[01:25] <hybrid_goth> oki
[01:25] <shadeofgrey> and if i have a 2.5 ghz AMD64 chip with 4 gigs of ram -- will i have trouble running wine and multiple othewr windows?
[01:25] <revelater> nobody here?
[01:26] <Razor-X> shadeofgrey: sadly, we can't really do anything till you get the real problems -_-
[01:26] <Razor-X> but, useful reading is the GRUB docs (you'll learn a lot there)
[01:26] <Razor-X> and google up some of your hardware with linux
[01:26] <Razor-X> so that you can see if any special hiccups need to be fixed
[01:27] <revelater> cummon
[01:27] <Razor-X> shadeofgrey: 4 GIGS of RAM?
[01:27] <ridejib> shadeofgrey: exactly what Razor-X says. Everything should install fine. Can you create a test partition before doing a full install?
[01:27] <Razor-X> holy mother!
[01:27] <AdmiralSenn> .!
[01:27] <revelater> anyone here ever setup a static ip internet connection?
[01:27] <Razor-X> that's _more_ than enough
[01:27] <Razor-X> AdmiralSenn: sudo aptitude install vlc
[01:27] <ridejib> ^^^ hahahah
[01:27] <Razor-X> you'll thank me soon enough for that ;)
[01:28] <AdmiralSenn> Razor-X: but.. I.. want.. xmms
[01:28] <shadeofgrey> Razor-X:  yeah.  started with one, and bought three more last weekend.  Do i need more?
[01:28] <AdmiralSenn> if I wanted a different player I'd ask for it
[01:28] <ridejib> I have 1 gig, and never max it out. AND I don't close any windows... ever
[01:28] <AdmiralSenn> what I want is to know why this one doesn't work
[01:28] <Razor-X> AdmiralSenn: but, you see, the codecs xmms needs are illegal, unless you get it from your own Windows box
[01:28] <LinuxJones>  AdmiralSenn, whay doesn't it want to install ?
[01:28] <AdmiralSenn> LinuxJones: it is installed
[01:28] <AdmiralSenn> but it won't play any files
[01:29] <LinuxJones>  AdmiralSenn, so what is not working ?
[01:29] <AdmiralSenn> and last time I had ubuntu installed it worked flawlessly
[01:29] <LinuxJones>  AdmiralSenn, you mean mp3's ?
[01:29] <AdmiralSenn> so there's something I'm doing wrong
[01:29] <Razor-X> AdmiralSenn: have you tried a test with alsaplayer?
[01:29] <AdmiralSenn> I mean ANYTHING
[01:29] <Razor-X> LinuxJones: he's already done restrictedformats
[01:29] <LinuxJones>  AdmiralSenn, ok firstly is your sound working ok ?
[01:29] <AdmiralSenn> system events are working
[01:29] <LinuxJones> Razor-X, ok
[01:29] <AdmiralSenn> logon and off sounds work
[01:29] <djabrail> hi
[01:29] <LinuxJones>  AdmiralSenn, are there any errors that come up when you try to play something ?
[01:30] <witless> whelp, took 60 seconds to connect to freenode - networking is still shot on my ubuntu install
[01:30] <AdmiralSenn> no
[01:30] <Razor-X> AdmiralSenn: try playing something with alsaplayer on the commandline as a test
[01:30] <LinuxJones>  AdmiralSenn, xmms will launch though will it ?
[01:30] <AdmiralSenn> yes it launches
[01:30] <AdmiralSenn> and it sees the files
[01:30] <AdmiralSenn> all of them
[01:30] <djabrail> http://wmi.modprobe.de/index.php/WMII/DynamicWM
[01:31] <LinuxJones>  AdmiralSenn, >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=49823&page=1
[01:32] <Razor-X> AdmiralSenn: like I said, have you tried alsaplayer as a test?
[01:33] <AdmiralSenn> hold on
[01:33] <witless> hrm, middle-click in firefox window doesn't paste?
[01:33] <witless> (as in URL)
[01:33] <revelater> it doesn't work sometimes
[01:33] <revelater> not sure why
[01:35] <AdmiralSenn> Razor-X: how would I do that?
[01:36] <hondje> !repositories
[01:36] <ubotu> [repositories]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto, or repos
[01:38] <brosio> help
[01:38] <brosio> how could install windows codec to see wmv films ?
[01:38] <abarbaccia> brosio, go to ubuntuguide.org and search for it
[01:39] <LinuxJones>  AdmiralSenn, run gstreamer-properties and tell what you have for default output sink
[01:39] <witless> jesus effing christ this is insufferable
[01:40] <shadeofgrey> okay guys - opinion poll of the day...  if i want an LCD TV thats wall mountable, something that can double as  a monitor for my ubuntu systemn -- what do i get?
[01:40] <shadeofgrey> i want at least 55"
[01:40] <witless> first, get a gun
[01:40] <witless> then rob a bank
[01:40] <witless> then get back to us
[01:40] <AdmiralSenn> LinuxJones: esd for both
[01:41] <AdmiralSenn> I'm gettting really annoyed at this
[01:41] <Thunderguy> Hey Im having a super-severe thunderstorm over here and feel like shutting down.... if I C-c apt-get it saves its packages and continues later right?
[01:41] <shadeofgrey> hell no....  i already have $5000 ...  but i dont wanbt to spend all of it.  so assume you have $3000
[01:41] <LinuxJones>  AdmiralSenn, can you try enabling alsa and see it it works by hitting the test button ?
[01:41] <AdmiralSenn> every time I hit play it rolls through every song in the list
[01:41] <Razor-X> haha, my emacs buffer binds and my screen binds were warring with each other ;)
[01:41] <AdmiralSenn> works
[01:42] <Razor-X> LinuxJones: I told him to use alsaplayer
[01:42] <LinuxJones>  AdmiralSenn, ok save that by clicking ok and try xmms again
[01:42] <Razor-X> why does no-one listen to me, like a billion lines up? *shrugs*
[01:42] <AdmiralSenn> Razor-X: and I asked you how to do that
[01:42] <AdmiralSenn> and  got nothing
[01:42] <Razor-X> AdmiralSenn: type it in the commandline
[01:42] <LinuxJones> Razor-X, I'm afk alot right now sorry
[01:42] <Razor-X> that's generally where a command is given
[01:42] <AdmiralSenn> type WHAT in the command line? alsaplayer? command not found
[01:42] <Razor-X> alsaplayer foo.mp3
[01:42] <Razor-X> aplay then
[01:43] <shadeofgrey> c'mon people.  one of you HAS to know about TV's
[01:43] <shadeofgrey> whats the best LCD?
[01:43] <Razor-X> ahhh, I see alsaplayer is not installed by default... hmmm
[01:43] <shadeofgrey> with HDTV tuning?
[01:43] <Razor-X> shadeofgrey: nah, not really
[01:43] <Razor-X> HDTV is becoming too restricted for my tastes as it is
[01:43] <Razor-X> bastards tying us in knots
[01:44] <Razor-X> AdmiralSenn: if you're getting so annoyed, you can always switch players......
[01:44] <LinuxJones>  AdmiralSenn, if you have sound open xmms and go Options >> Preferences then select alsa and you should be ok
[01:44] <bonvenon> AdmiralSenn: what happens if you simply tries another player? is this an xmms only problem?
[01:44] <AdmiralSenn> ;ackasfah
[01:44] <AdmiralSenn> LinuxJones: nothing
[01:44] <Razor-X> bonvenon: he doesen't want to switch, oddly enough
[01:44] <AdmiralSenn> bonvenon: I don't know how to work the other player I have
[01:45] <AdmiralSenn> Razor-X: I told you, xmms worked before
[01:45] <Razor-X> AdmiralSenn: how hard is it to click play?
[01:45] <AdmiralSenn> with no effort
[01:45] <AdmiralSenn> uhm
[01:45] <Razor-X> ;)
[01:45] <AdmiralSenn> there's no music listed?
[01:45] <Razor-X> o_O!!!!!
[01:45] <AdmiralSenn> so it doesn't do anything?
[01:45] <Razor-X> File->Open!!!
[01:45] <Razor-X> ;)
[01:45] <shadeofgrey> why in gods name would you ever use xmms when beep exists?
[01:45] <AdmiralSenn> there is no file!
[01:45] <Razor-X> shadeofgrey: don't ask
[01:45] <AdmiralSenn> it's music player!
[01:45] <brosio> http://ubuntuguide.org/#nvu
[01:45] <Razor-X> AdmiralSenn: I don't know what you're talking about
[01:45] <AdmiralSenn> ari;ilfjkgagh
[01:45] <cafuego> shadeofgrey: beep is ugly?
[01:45] <witless> you know what's really missing from Music Player?  a simple menu option that says "PLAY A FILE"
[01:45] <ridejib> I cannot get beep to run without freezing
[01:45] <Razor-X> in VLC, File->Open opens a file
[01:45] <brosio> why nvu isn't in repository ?
[01:45] <AdmiralSenn> and I don't know what you're talking about
[01:45] <ridejib> thats why i use xmms
[01:46] <AdmiralSenn> witless: precisely my problem
[01:46] <Razor-X> File->Quick Open does also
[01:46] <cafuego> brosio: it is. Probably just in 'universe'.
[01:46] <cafuego> !find bin/nvu
[01:46] <AdmiralSenn> there is no way to just open a file
[01:46] <Razor-X> AdmiralSenn: in VLC you can
[01:46] <AdmiralSenn> and xmms worked on my last installation but not this one
[01:46] <AdmiralSenn> Razor-X: stop, okay?
[01:46] <brosio> i have
[01:46] <brosio> deb http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[01:46] <cafuego> !ping
[01:46] <ubotu> Keep your fingers to yourself, cafuego.
[01:46] <brosio> but i don't find it
[01:46] <Razor-X> AdmiralSenn: stop typing random letters then
[01:47] <Razor-X> AdmiralSenn: either keep your aggravation to yourself, or switch players
[01:47] <Razor-X> because you seem to refuse that choice
[01:47] <AdmiralSenn> Razor-X: well that's a very fair set of choices
[01:47] <witless> AdmiralSenn: yeah, beep-media-player isn't working for me either (based on xmms but with gtk2 interface)
[01:47] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/nvu' returned no results.
[01:47] <Razor-X> AdmiralSenn: do you see others doing it?
[01:47] <bugz> Hey, I have a pretty big problem now...
[01:47] <Razor-X> bugz: shoot
[01:47] <AdmiralSenn> I don't see others having problems like this
[01:47] <bugz> My trash can disappeared.
[01:47] <AdmiralSenn> they get to say 'ok thanks bye!' and leave
[01:48] <Razor-X> bugz: eh?
[01:48] <cafuego> bugz: right click on the panel and re-add it.
[01:48] <AdmiralSenn> ah there we go
[01:48] <Razor-X> AdmiralSenn: well, like I said, *shrugs*, your player is your choice
[01:48] <AdmiralSenn> an ogg file played
[01:48] <bugz> Which option to add it back?
[01:48] <Razor-X> if you insist on staying in one boat, if it sinks, be it as it may
[01:49] <LinuxJones> AdmiralSenn, rhythmbox doesn't work for you ?
[01:49] <AdmiralSenn> Razor-X: you completely fail to understand my position
[01:49] <AdmiralSenn> LinuxJones: I don't even see it in the menu
[01:50] <phixion> AdmiralSenn, beep is decent, u tried that?
[01:50] <LinuxJones> AdmiralSenn, you have gstreamer0.8-mad installed ?
[01:50] <bugz> Ah, I got the trash thing working right
[01:50] <Razor-X> AdmiralSenn: you can open it from a Terminal window with ``rythmbox &''
[01:50] <bugz> Thank Razor...can't believe I didn't think of that
[01:50] <bugz> *Thanks
[01:50] <LinuxJones> AdmiralSenn, it's right on the panel called Music Player
[01:50] <bonvenon> AdmiralSenn: can you just try another player to see if the problem is xmms specific?
[01:50] <AdmiralSenn> well as I said, I just got xmms to play a .ogg
[01:50] <thechitowncubss> This is probably a simple questions, but what command can take off the ending of  .OK on all the files in one director.y
[01:50] <AdmiralSenn> and half of my playlist is ogg files
[01:50] <witless> AdmiralSenn: even when i go through the import folder rigamarole, i still don't see my audio files
[01:50] <AdmiralSenn> so that means it's the playlist or something related to it
[01:50] <AdmiralSenn> witless: I know I have the same problem
[01:50] <Razor-X> AdmiralSenn: it does?
[01:51] <AdmiralSenn> yes....
[01:51] <LinuxJones> AdmiralSenn, you need gstreamer0.8-mad installed to play mp3's?
[01:51] <AdmiralSenn> LinuxJones: it's installed
[01:51] <bonvenon> AdmiralSenn: I would say it has to do with codecs
[01:51] <Razor-X> probably w32codecs isn't working nice
[01:51] <Razor-X> because ogg is a free codec
[01:51] <AdmiralSenn> let me try to find one of the files from the playlist as a regular file
[01:52] <bonvenon> since I'm running a ppc system I'm not much into w32codecs.. ;)
[01:52] <Razor-X> bonvenon: hah
[01:52] <AdmiralSenn> ah ha
[01:52] <Razor-X> well, he refuses to use other players
[01:52] <AdmiralSenn> there we go
[01:52] <Razor-X> because he can't see them in the menu
[01:52] <LinuxJones> AdmiralSenn, hit alt + F2 and type rhythmbox (the name will auto-complete for you)
[01:52] <thechitowncubss> Anyone know the answer to my simple question ;)
[01:52] <AdmiralSenn> nononono xmms is working
[01:52] <AdmiralSenn> it's a playlist issue
[01:53] <LinuxJones> AdmiralSenn, jesus crist dude
[01:53] <cafuego> bonvenon: Bah, they'd work find if you installed ununtu x86 in VirtualPC! ;-)
[01:53] <AdmiralSenn> I'm playing files that are on the playlist separately
[01:53] <jmet> Hello all, new Ubuntu user.. in fact updating as we speak!
[01:53] <bugz> Oh, I have a question about XMMS too, come to think of it...
[01:53] <AdmiralSenn> bah
[01:53] <Razor-X> AdmiralSenn: you couldn't test it without your playlist?
[01:53] <AdmiralSenn> never mind..
[01:53] <thechitowncubss> bugz: spit it out
[01:53] <bugz> XMMS is supposed to play MP3s, right?
[01:53] <thechitowncubss> it has a capability to
[01:53] <Razor-X> !tell bugz about restrictedformats
[01:53] <bugz> Because it freezes on me when I try to
[01:53] <Razor-X> have you done that?
[01:53] <bugz> Done what?
[01:53] <AdmiralSenn> I'm leaving now, so I quit upsetting your delicate sensibilities with my preferences on music players
[01:53] <LinuxJones> bugz, yeah but rhythmbox is 10 times better
[01:54] <bugz> Oh...link?
[01:54] <thechitowncubss> bugz: change the audio driver to ESD
[01:54] <witless> it might be if it actually played music
[01:54] <Razor-X> VLC is better than XMMS and Rythymbox
[01:54] <LinuxJones> Razor-X, that was retarded :D
[01:54] <kemik> XMMS freezes when the sound-device is busy elsewhere
[01:54] <bugz> O_o
[01:54] <Razor-X> I don't understand, why does someone refuse to switch players?
[01:54] <bugz> I have no clue how to do that
[01:54] <thechitowncubss> bugz: go browse around in the options
[01:54] <kemik> Razor-X:  if he got a preference, let him stick with it
[01:54] <Razor-X> ``No, i'm a baby! I won't switch! But i'll bitch about my player not working!''
[01:54] <LinuxJones> Razor-X, some folks are set in their ways I guess
[01:55] <bugz> Well, I would switch, if I knew of another good one that worked for Linux >_>
[01:55] <Razor-X> LinuxJones: as am I, but if something doesen't work, I have to change things
[01:55] <Razor-X> like my little flapg in PS1 in ZSH that tells me if my shell is a subshell
[01:55] <witless> ok, rhythmbox is the audio player of choice.  why isn't it working?
[01:55] <kemik> witless:  it does? installed gstreamer0.8-mad?
[01:55] <thechitowncubss> This is probably a simple questions, but what command can take off the ending of  .OK on all the files in one director.y
[01:56] <bonvenon> withless: muine is the audio player of choice
[01:56] <bonvenon> ;)
[01:56] <ridejib> gah! you people are STILL talking about media players?
[01:56] <thechitowncubss> for example. I want foo.mp3.OK to be foo.mp3
[01:56] <Razor-X> fact of the matter is that emacs ansi-term returns the $term you ran emacs with (not screen if you ran it in that), terminal-emulator something else, and shell something else even still
[01:56] <kemik> the audioplayer of choice is highly individual :P
[01:56] <LinuxJones> Razor-X, Debian/Ubuntu has made me a very lazy computer user. I don't even have to re-compile my kernel anymore :D
[01:56] <Razor-X> LinuxJones: hah
[01:56] <Dreamer3> *sighs*
[01:56] <Razor-X> thing is, I did a little fudge hack
[01:56] <bugz> *Googles for rhythmbox*
[01:56] <Dreamer3> ok, is there anyway i can get my laptop to understand it's been plugged back in?
[01:56] <Dreamer3> running /etc/acpi/power.sh by hand is getting old
[01:56] <thechitowncubss> bugz: its on your system by default
[01:56] <kemik> bugz:  its installed by default
[01:57] <Razor-X> even though there are other ``dumb'' $TERMs, and Eterm can be run without screen or emacs, I added these entries for my own cases
[01:57] <witless> kemik: no.  isn't there a dependency to it for rhythmbox?
[01:57] <ptlo> thechitowncubss, there's no command for doing that. you can do it with a small shell script oneliner
[01:57] <Razor-X> hacks happen if something doesen't work universally ;)
[01:57] <bugz> ah...
[01:57] <Razor-X> only crappy thing is if I ever run another dumb terminal, then ah... yeah ;)
[01:57] <bugz> Damn, I really need to learn more about Ubuntu...
[01:57] <Dreamer3> anyone?
[01:57] <kemik> witless:  what you mean? im playing my mp3s in rythmbox after you apt-get g-mad
[01:57] <thechitowncubss> ptlo: wanna help me out?
[01:57] <witless> kemik: i'm trying to play ogg.  is mad for mp3?
[01:57] <Dreamer3> not as annoying as my computer running out of memory all the time, but still really annoying
[01:57] <Razor-X> mmmm, cplay kicks ass, but people also reccomended mpd
[01:57] <Razor-X> I'll check that out
[01:57] <renbolicious```> what is the tool to setup the soundcard?
[01:57] <witless> kemik: i can't even import anything into the library
[01:58] <ridejib> how do you get mp3 support in beep?
[01:58] <kemik> witless:  oh, sorry.. thought u had trouble with mp3, i dont have ogg files
[01:58] <ptlo> thechitowncubss, for example (warning: i didn't check this, i'm writing from my head): for i in *.OK; do new=`echo $i | sed 's/.OK$//'`; mv "$i" "$new"; done
[01:58] <kemik> witless:  if you cant import, you probably need some support for .ogg
[01:59] <thechitowncubss> ptlo: wow thanks
[01:59] <kemik> witless:  tried gstreamer0.8-vorbis  ?
[01:59] <thechitowncubss> i'll try it out
[01:59] <LinuxJones> ridejib, you need to install gstreamer0.8-mad for mp3 support in Ubuntu
[01:59] <Razor-X> LinuxJones: not in Ubuntu
[01:59] <Razor-X> cplay plays mp3s fine, as does VLC
[01:59] <kyncani> witless: install gstreamer0.8-plugins, that will pull in a whole bunch of plugins i think
[02:00] <ridejib> LinuxJones: hmm. ok, I've done that. any ideas why beep then freezes when I try to play mp3s?
[02:00] <LinuxJones> ridejib, for Ubuntu default software it does :)
[02:00] <FlyingSquirrel32> I have a comp, that won't boot to the CD. How can I get a boot disk that will let me install Ubuntu from the CD?
[02:00] <ptlo> thechitowncubss, if you're not "afraid" of the shell, i recommend you to read the advanced bash scripting guide ebook (it's on linux doc project site), which shows how to perform various magic with shell :)
[02:00] <bugz> I might look at rhythmbox later, but do I need to configure XMMS to play MP3s, or do I just have bad luck?
[02:00] <ridejib> LinuxJones: hmm I will double check... thanks
[02:01] <thechitowncubss> ptlo: that was amazing, it worked perfectly
[02:01] <LinuxJones> ridejib, run gstreamer-properties and note the default output sink currently set. Try selecting alsa and hit test to see if you get sound.
[02:02] <bugz> Er..Synaptic says that rhythmbox is installed, but I can't see how to get to it...
[02:02] <ridejib> LinuxJones: no dice. error
[02:02] <witless> can someone explain to me what "import folder" from the file menu is supposed to do in rhythmbox?  i expected it to do what right-click-on-Library-and-select-Add-to-library does
[02:03] <Razor-X> bugz: in a Terminal, type in rythmymbox &
[02:03] <bugz> &?
[02:03] <Razor-X> bugz: ``rythymbox &''
[02:03] <Razor-X> for more readability
[02:03] <Razor-X> remove the quotes, and there's your command
[02:03] <ptlo> thechitowncubss ;-) np, it's relatively easy to do it once you get a hang of it
[02:03] <LinuxJones> ridejib, ok select waht you had before and right click in beepe and go options >> preferences what is currently selected ?
[02:04] <bugz> oh..I just typed rhythmbox and it still opened.
[02:04] <witless> hahaha, oh man, there's no fucken Stop control on rhythmbox.
[02:05] <LinuxJones> witless, sure there is
[02:05] <kemik> witless:  pause
[02:05] <witless> i want to stop, not pause
[02:05] <kemik> witless:  did you try gstreamer-vorbis?
[02:05] <ridejib> LinuxJones: OSS. that gstreamer thing had esd selected. I will change beep to esd and try now...
[02:05] <thechitowncubss> ptlo: I'll check that ebook out, i think you just convinced me
[02:05] <LinuxJones> witless, there is no differnce :D
[02:05] <witless> kemik: it's playing ogg
[02:05] <LinuxJones> ridejib, I am crossing my fingers !!!
[02:05] <ridejib> LinuxJones: thanks man, working now
[02:05] <ridejib> y:)
[02:06] <LinuxJones> ridejib, awesome
[02:06] <witless> LinuxJones: sure there is.  Pause pauses in the middle of a song, Stop stops playing a song.
[02:06] <bugz> in rhythmbox: "Error: there is no plugin to handle a MP3 file"
[02:06] <ptlo> thechitowncubss, welcome to the wonderful world of command line ;-))
[02:06] <ReleaseX> does it matter that my wireless card comes up as eth1 instead of wlan0
[02:06] <kemik> bugz:  apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:06] <bugz> ph
[02:06] <bugz> *oh
[02:07] <thechitowncubss> ptlo: holy crap, that ebook is 634 pages long
[02:07] <thechitowncubss> I was planning on printing it out for vacation
[02:07] <LinuxJones> witless, the end result of the action is the music stops ....pause allows you to resume ....stop does not :)
[02:07] <ptlo> :))))
[02:07] <Razor-X> ptlo: what book did you give him?
[02:07] <ReleaseX> does it matter that my wireless card comes up as eth1 instead of wlan0
[02:07] <kemik> LinuxJones:  well, witless wants a STOP function, and rythmbox is lacking one...
[02:08] <ptlo> it is a *book* :)
[02:08] <thechitowncubss> Advanced Bash Scripting Guide
[02:08] <Razor-X> I'm reading through the ZSH User's Guide right now
[02:08] <Razor-X> ewwww, learn ZSH
[02:08] <LinuxJones> benplaut, that should be Monday mourning jsut before work :D
[02:08] <ptlo> Razor-X, advanced bash scripting guide
[02:08] <Razor-X> ZSH is many times superior to BASH, after seeing what it can do
[02:08] <pax> do I need a computer to install Ubuntu, do they send a PC with the free CDs?
[02:08] <thechitowncubss> Are there any alternative guides like that one
[02:08] <Razor-X> pax: yes you need a computer to install Ubuntu XDDD
[02:08] <pax> :P
[02:08] <FlyingSquirrel32> FlyingSquirrel32: Okay, If I get my pc booted up to floppy, how do I tell it to install ubuntu from the CD?
[02:08] <kemik> ReleaseX:  no it shouldnt, unless you refer to wlan0 in other configurationfiles / firewallscripts etc
[02:08] <ridejib> yhahah
[02:09] <ptlo> Razor-X, well the book is ok for explaining the shell and how it works in general....
[02:09] <LinuxJones> kemik, well from an end users perspective that's not an issue afaict :)
[02:09] <Razor-X> no, they don't send a PC with the free CDs XDDD
[02:09] <Razor-X> ptlo: but, it gets you into BASH specifics
[02:09] <ridejib> Razor-X: my cd's came with a PC
[02:09] <kemik> LinuxJones:  "afaict" doesnt matter, witless has an issue with it and THAT is what matters
[02:09] <Razor-X> in ZSH, it's much better to do if [[ $TERM == dumb ] ]  then
[02:09] <Razor-X> ridejib: ................
[02:09] <kemik> LinuxJones:  please the customer, not yourself
[02:09] <thechitowncubss> What does ZSH stand for>
[02:09] <witless> kemik: LinuxJones: please show me how crazy i am by pointing out all the other media players that also have no Stop control
[02:09] <Razor-X> kemik: Z Shell ;)
[02:10] <LinuxJones> kemik, what difference is there the end result is the exact same the music stops playing.
[02:10] <kemik> witless:  i dont think you're crazy
[02:10] <ptlo> Razor-X, bash and zsh aren't that much different, especially for the beginner
[02:10] <Razor-X> ptlo: but, when it gets down to scripting, the differences are paramount
[02:10] <witless> LinuxJones: and what happens when i press play again?
[02:10] <Razor-X> obviously, the only difference in zsh is the default prompt
[02:10] <LinuxJones> witless, all you have to do is cleick the next song you want to play
[02:11] <kemik> LinuxJones:  you dont get the point, witless wants a function "STOP" that stops playing the music and rewinds the song to position 0, rythmbox is lacking
[02:11] <Razor-X> which is ``machinename%''
[02:11] <witless> LinuxJones: well, that's odd, because i expected it to Stop, therefore pressing play again should start from the beginning.
[02:11] <kemik> omg
[02:11] <Razor-X> you could always change that, though (as I have)
[02:11] <ptlo> thhmm, can't argue with that
[02:11] <thechitowncubss> alright, well what should me the beginner learn?
[02:11] <LinuxJones> witless, either drag the slider back to the start of the song or double click it
[02:11] <Razor-X> thechitowncubss: I suggest zsh because it's a BASH supershell
[02:11] <witless> LinuxJones: it's possible, i'm simply pointing out that it's a stupid design decision
[02:11] <kemik> LinuxJones:  that shouldnt be necessary
[02:11] <Razor-X> zsh is based off ksh (a closer BASH supershell)
[02:12] <flam> anyone who has any experience with irq conflicts with a pcmcia-nic? can't get it to work, tested everything
[02:12] <thechitowncubss> what is a supershell, and is ubuntu equipped with ZSH?
[02:12] <Razor-X> thechitowncubss: it's not equipped with zsh, but it's easy to get it and set it up
[02:12] <Razor-X> a supershell is just like a superset
[02:12] <ptlo> actually both bash and zsh are derivatives of ksh
[02:12] <Razor-X> contains all the elements of the original set, and more
[02:12] <LinuxJones> Well guys it is open source you can add one and submit it for inclusion if you want ;D
[02:12] <Razor-X> ptlo: BASH is a ksh derivative?
[02:12] <witless> will do
[02:13] <Razor-X> I thought it was the other way 'round
[02:13] <Razor-X> I can't stand ksh, actually, but I love zsh
[02:13] <ptlo> Razor-X, afaik yes
[02:13] <Razor-X> it's really weird that way
[02:13] <ptlo> Razor-X, no, afaik the ksh is derivative of original sh, and bash and zsh forked off that (or cloned it, which is more probable)
[02:14] <thechitowncubss> this is perfect, i'll have something to do on the car ride :)
[02:14] <thechitowncubss> thanks for getting me excited about bash ptlo :)
[02:14] <ptlo> np, have fun :)
[02:15] <windex|aways> the only reason i <3 bash is because i can write bash scripts off the top of my head on the command line, and it ports to every platform ever invented (that i've ever tried, and that includes aix and dgux).
[02:15] <Razor-X> thechitowncubss: eh!
[02:15] <Razor-X> why BASH?
[02:15] <desrt> windex; bash is actually a superset of sh
[02:15] <desrt> windex; it doesn't run anywhere near everywhere
[02:15] <thechitowncubss> Razor-X, Because it runs on all linux boxen
[02:15] <Razor-X> ptlo: the documen i'm looking at it doesen't say it explicitly, but I think it implies that BASH came from sh
[02:15] <Razor-X> thechitowncubss: as does zsh?
[02:16] <windex> desrt: it most certianly does when you have the ability to write the code to bridge the gap, which is how i got it on dgux.
[02:16] <thechitowncubss> Razor-X, well, what will help me more in the long run
[02:16] <Razor-X> (oh, and for those of you who use the term ``boxen'', originated from the plural of ``emacs'' is ``emacsen'' hah ;)
[02:16] <Razor-X> thechitowncubss: that depends on your needs
[02:16] <desrt> windex; i mean the shellscripts themselves
[02:16] <Razor-X> ZSH is more powerful in the long run
[02:16] <desrt> windex; they don't run out of the box on, for example, aix sh
[02:16] <thechitowncubss> Razor-X, general Linux admin, possibly expanding into python, other languages
[02:16] <windex> desrt: i dont mean the scripts are portable. i mean the shell is portable. you can install bash on aix. works out of the box.
[02:16] <Razor-X> and ZSH is back-compatible with ASH(SH) and a lot of BASH
[02:17] <desrt> windex; ah yes.  that's a nice thing.
[02:17] <Razor-X> and has some real nice things
[02:17] <windex> desrt: there's some slight complication on AIX, in that you need to do an assembler bootstrap of gcc from source because aix's cc won't build bash (or almost any gnu code).
[02:17] <Razor-X> like !! for history
[02:17] <Razor-X> or !!:t for last history command, the tail of it
[02:17] <Master_I> Alguien habla espaol?
[02:17] <Razor-X> (these are (t)csh features)
[02:18] <Razor-X> Master_I: #ubuntu-es
[02:18] <Master_I> Thanks Razor-X
[02:18] <thechitowncubss> Razor-X, what specifically does "ZSH" do better than bash?
[02:18] <bob2> completion
[02:18] <Razor-X> thechitowncubss: command editing, filename globbing, history
[02:18] <bob2> scripting
[02:18] <bob2> globbing
[02:18] <bob2> editing
[02:18] <Razor-X> scripting, yes scripting
[02:18] <Razor-X> completion definitely
[02:19] <thechitowncubss> oh jeez
[02:19] <Razor-X> bob2: you made me a convert
[02:19] <windex> bash does command editing, filename globbing, history..
[02:19] <Razor-X> you and the ZSH User Guide
[02:19] <bob2> windex: have you used zsh?
[02:19] <Razor-X> windex: much worse than ZSH
[02:19] <Razor-X> windex: can you do !!:t in BASH? ;)
[02:19] <Randall64> windex: And I hear M$ makes a web browser.
[02:19] <thechitowncubss> Razor-X, where can I find a complete guide for it like the one bash has...
[02:19] <Razor-X> thechitowncubss: i'll give you what i'm using
[02:19] <bob2> zsh's globbinb can replace the find command
[02:19] <windex> i have used zsh. but i have never had a problem with bash to want to abandon it. :) this is going to wind up being a vi vs emacs argument, i can feel it coming.
[02:20] <Razor-X> http://zsh.sunsite.dk/Guide/zshguide.html
[02:20] <windex> does that invoke godwin's law? is mentioning vi and emacs arguments like mentioning the nazis?
[02:20] <Razor-X> Godwin's law... hmmm
[02:20] <Randall64> The program 'synaptic' received an X Window System error.
[02:20] <Randall64> This probably reflects a bug in the program.
[02:20] <Razor-X> well, the thing about it is, vi and emacs promote strong feelings, more like peer pushed feelings
[02:20] <Randall64> awesome
[02:20] <Razor-X> Randall64: you broke synaptic! that kicks ass! XD
[02:20] <thechitowncubss> Razor-X, and how can I set this up in ubuntu?
[02:20] <windex> Razor-X: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
[02:20] <Razor-X> the guide i'm using is old, but it'll get you up
[02:21] <Razor-X> thechitowncubss: I used sudo aptitude install zsh-beta zsh-beta-doc
[02:21] <windex> i find aptitude much easier to use than synaptic.
[02:21] <windex> but i'm like the anti-gui.
[02:21] <Razor-X> same here, meh
[02:22] <thechitowncubss> Razor-X, I have no experience with shell scripting, so once I do that, what next?
[02:22] <benplaut> B*tchX users...
[02:22] <Razor-X> thechitowncubss: this teaches you most of it
[02:22] <Razor-X> benplaut: I used to be one of them
[02:23] <windex> thechitowncubss: there's only one good place in the world of linux to go after shell scripting. and that's learning C. :D
[02:23] <Razor-X> windex: hah!
[02:23] <thechitowncubss> i feel like i'm in over my head
[02:23] <windex> you can do anything in linux using a combination of shell scripts and C code. :D
[02:23] <Razor-X> tcsh is the most annoying shell in the world, followed by csh and ksh ;)
[02:23] <bob2> learning perl or python would be a better place to go than C
[02:23] <thechitowncubss> where did you guys start programming?
[02:23] <Razor-X> tcsh aggravates me to no end, I don't know why, though
[02:24] <windex> Razor-X: i dunno, using 'yes' as a shell is pretty much the end-all.
[02:24] <thechitowncubss> the very first step...
[02:24] <Razor-X> thechitowncubss: DarkDread's RPG Mysterious Song broke headlines in teh Indie Community, and inspiredme to try QBASIC at 11
[02:24] <windex> thechitowncubss: i started by doing some coding hacks to a MUD way, way back when.
[02:24] <Razor-X> s/teh/the/
[02:24] <Razor-X> s/inspiredme/inspired me/
[02:24] <Razor-X> that's where it all snowballed from
[02:24] <Razor-X> for me, anyways
[02:24] <Randall64> wtf is apt-file in hoary?
[02:24] <windex> i also programmed quickbasic and tcl before i started C. quickbasic for dos apps, tcl for eggdrop irc bots.
[02:24] <Razor-X> Randall64: man apt-file ;)
[02:25] <thechitowncubss> alright, i got the shell installed
[02:25] <windex> however, now looking back
[02:25] <thechitowncubss> what is something that i can do with ZSH to at least get me excited and aware of the possibilities?
[02:25] <Razor-X> thechitowncubss: now make it your default shell
[02:25] <windex> it took me a very long time to break my stupid habits from basic and tcl when moving to C.
[02:25] <Razor-X> you're still using BASH, actually
[02:25] <Randall64> Razor-X: I meant which archive.
[02:25] <windex> so starting with C would've been better.
[02:25] <Razor-X> windex: C++ was my second
[02:26] <thechitowncubss> Razor-X, is that in the guide?
[02:26] <Randall64> Should I trust universe?
[02:26] <Razor-X> thechitowncubss: chsh -s /bin/zsh
[02:26] <bob2> Randall64: packages.ubuntu.com/apt-file, for futurer reference
[02:26] <windex> Razor-X: the problem i have with C++ is that elegant C++ is written to take full advantage of C and does not use the iostream libraries. people who start on C++ abuse the hell out of iostream. :P
[02:26] <Razor-X> Randall64: yes
[02:26] <Razor-X> windex: so? ;)
[02:27] <bob2> people who write C in C++ are worse, tho
[02:27] <Razor-X> that always happens with super-languages (as in superset, or supershell)
[02:27] <Randall64> lazy C?
[02:27] <Razor-X> I can bet you that BASH users are abusing the ASH stuff
[02:27] <Razor-X> and ASH users abused SH stuff
[02:27] <Razor-X> and KSH users abuse them all
[02:27] <bob2> except that bash is a superset of ash
[02:27] <Razor-X> that's just the way with super-anything, they use features of sub-ones
[02:27] <bob2> C++ is not a superset of C
[02:27] <thechitowncubss> Razor-X, what do i have to do for that to take effect?
[02:27] <Razor-X> bob2: it's considered to be, meh
[02:28] <Razor-X> thechitowncubss: restart the computer
[02:28] <bob2> Razor-X: no it's not
[02:28] <windex> bob2: people who use C++ for the things its good at - classing, templates, etc, while using quick, fast, lightweight code (which is almost always written in C) are using the language to its full advantage, imho. but i also have to write code that deals with high loads most of the time, and the overhead in using stuff like iostream, ouch.
[02:28] <bob2> thechitowncubss: logout and in again
[02:28] <Razor-X> bob2: in many of the docs I've read to, it's referred to as that
[02:28] <bob2> windex: er, ok
[02:28] <Razor-X> thechitowncubss: it's one of the few times you restart, actually
[02:28] <bob2> Razor-X: well, it's not
[02:28] <Razor-X> for me, I mean
[02:28] <bob2> Razor-X: er, there's no need at all to restart to change yourshell
[02:28] <Razor-X> bob2: I should've known that -_-
[02:28] <_SD_Keo> How do I get my cable modem to work with USB in ubuntu? =\
[02:29] <Razor-X> windex: well, I do most of my C++ with C++ specific stuff
[02:29] <Razor-X> it's useless to do things you can in a more lightweight language in a heavier one
[02:29] <Razor-X> another product of super-anything, heh
[02:29] <Razor-X> although laziness promotes the latter
[02:29] <bob2> windex: what is your code that "deals with high loads" doing?
[02:29] <windex> bob2: but honestly the only time i write C++ is when i'm writing a modular system that has an api. :P
[02:29] <Razor-X> windex: you obviously hate the modular concept ;)
[02:30] <kemik> writing pure C is a pain
[02:30] <windex> bob2: erm, depends? i have written from scratch code to deal with every aspect of running an ISP from billing system to radius server.
[02:30] <kemik> endless agony
[02:30] <bob2> windex: that doesn't sound very performance critical, tho
[02:31] <windex> bob2: it is when the mail servers handle 20,000 users and there are only 2 of them.
[02:31] <kemik> bob2:  in large systems it will be
[02:31] <bob2> windex: right, but none of your code is in the critical path
[02:31] <thechitowncubs> That was weird, when i logged out and in with the ZSH shell my wireless started going foobar.
[02:31] <bob2> windex: your mta does all the hard work
[02:31] <bob2> you just provide lookup tables
[02:31] <windex> bob2: yes, the mta i wrote that uses the same database as the billing system?
[02:31] <cafuego> kemik: oh, shush, C is great.
[02:31] <bob2> you wrote an MTA? why?
[02:31] <windex> bob2: bored.
[02:32] <Razor-X> thechitowncubs: hmmm?
[02:32] <Razor-X> shouldn't do that
[02:32] <thechitowncubs> I know, but its had a history of being screwy.
[02:32] <Razor-X> ZSH is your default shell, but as bob2 told me, BASH Scripts will use BASH
[02:32] <kemik> cafuego:  yeah, it is great for some stuff, but still a pain to code in :p
[02:32] <thechitowncubs> Its a IPW2200, and the hoary driver is a bit outdated
[02:32] <windex> bob2: exim would do what i wanted, but exim is bloated. i hate sendmail for the most part.
[02:32] <kemik> Java for the win! ;)
[02:32] <kemik> heh
[02:32] <cafuego> kemik: Of course not.
[02:32] <bob2> windex: how is exim bloated?
[02:32] <cafuego> windex: There's a reason ubuntu uses postfix ;-)
[02:33] <windex> have you used exim? :P
[02:33] <thechitowncubs> alright, a reboot solved the wireless problem.
[02:33] <bob2> yes, exim is trivial and tiny
[02:33] <cafuego> windex: postfix also plays VERY nicely with various sql systems
[02:33] <windex> seriously. go install exim on a box with 5,000 mail accounts. watch cpu vanish.
[02:33] <bob2> that souns like a configuration issue
[02:33] <thechitowncubs> Razor-X, another question was, with bash as my default shell it showed the directory i was in, i like that, is there a way to do that with ZSH?
[02:33] <bob2> it should never care how many accounts there are
[02:33] <Razor-X> thechitowncubs: I was about to tell you about that
[02:34] <Razor-X> of course there is, it was quite annoying at first
[02:34] <bob2> right
[02:34] <thechitowncubs> Razor-X, i was hoping for that answer.
[02:34] <Razor-X> you'll see the reasons of why this happens in Chapter 2, but i'll tell you now
[02:34] <thechitowncubs> Razor-X, thanks
[02:34] <windex> bob2: your wrong, in that it does care how many accounts there are, because the ammount of inbound and outbound mail increases substantially. the number of simultanious processes goes way up.
[02:34] <_SD_Keo> Does hoary come with USB modem support out of the box? =\
[02:34] <kemik> more accounts = more mail ?
[02:34] <Will_> Negative, I am a meat popsicle
[02:34] <bob2> windex: so, it depends on mail flow, not number of accounts, right
[02:34] <cafuego> windex: Yes, this is a matter of configuring your MTA properly.
[02:34] <Razor-X> thechitowncubs: ``PS1=%n@%m %~%#''
[02:34] <Dreamer3> windex: you're assuming mail scales with accounts, which isn't always true :)
[02:34] <bob2> _SD_Keo: is it too late to return it?
[02:35] <windex> ok, ok. well, on our machine, we were doing 110 gigabytes of email a day when it was using exim
[02:35] <Will_> zsh themes can be snazzy
[02:35] <thechitowncubs> Razor-X, i'm assuming i'm just going to type that sucker in
[02:35] <_SD_Keo> bob2: yes
[02:35] <Will_> Also amazingly ugly and terrible
[02:35] <w-mute> Hi. Should it show up in strace if a programm loads/accesses a library?
[02:35] <Razor-X> thechitowncubs: go ahead, `s why I quoted it
[02:35] <windex> and on average there were 200-300 exim processes running at once.
[02:35] <bob2> w-mute: yes loads, no accesses
[02:35] <kemik> windex:  what you doin? porn-spam?
[02:35] <Razor-X> I have some more in my PS1, but you'll also discover that later
[02:35] <windex> system load was never below 1.
[02:35] <LasseL> I can see that I have a evolution-data-server and evolution-alarm running on my system as daemons. I don't use evolution and certainly not exchange. How can I turn those off?
[02:35] <cafuego> Will_: Sounds like a perfect match for bitchx users, then.
[02:35] <Razor-X> and add that statement in your .zshrc as well, thechitowncubs
[02:35] <windex> kemik: running an isp that had about 1,200 virtual domains. :)
[02:36] <bob2> w-mute: maybe you want ltrace?
[02:36] <_SD_Keo> bob2: I just want to plug the USB in so I can free up the ethernet port on my PC for XboxConnect
[02:36] <kemik> aight, bigone
[02:36] <windex> kemik: the real issue is all the rejected spam -- that's not even counted in the 110 gigabytes number.
[02:36] <bob2> _SD_Keo: well, go find out if the manufacturer supports linux or not
[02:36] <cafuego> _SD_Keo: switches are REALLY cheap.
[02:36] <Will_> cafuego: people still use bitchx?
[02:36] <hondje> LasseL: That's not evolution, the name just reflects their origin
[02:36] <w-mute> bob2: good question. *check*
[02:36] <thechitowncubs> Razor-X, that command spat out this. fg: no job control in this shell.
[02:36] <bob2> you should be dropping the vast majority of spam with rbls, anyway
[02:36] <Will_> I admit I like the bitchx irssi theme....BUT ON IRSSI
[02:36] <cafuego> Will_: Scary, huh?
[02:37] <Razor-X> thechitowncubs: you removed the quotes?
[02:37] <_SD_Keo> bob2: It's a motorola sb5100
[02:37] <Razor-X> Will_: that's nasty
[02:37] <LasseL> hondje, still I don't see what good they do?
[02:37] <Will_> Razor-X: Is it?
[02:37] <thechitowncubs> Razor-X, i'm confused, was i supposed to?
[02:37] <Razor-X> I like BitchX itself, and this is the only place i've seen that prefers irssi over BitchX
[02:37] <bob2> _SD_Keo: and did your research find that it works under linux at all?
[02:37] <Razor-X> thechitowncubs: of course
[02:37] <kemik> windex, damn rejects! ;)
[02:37] <Razor-X> the reason I quote something is so that you remove the quotes when you type it in ;)
[02:37] <Razor-X> remove `` and ''
[02:37] <_SD_Keo> bob2: yes, there's a thread at linuxquestions.org
[02:37] <windex> bob2: rbl's do drop most of the spam, but they still cause an exim process to fork and accept the message
[02:37] <w-mute> bob2: so if I do "strace drip" how come that drip complains about lack of libdvdcss but no load of that lib
[02:38] <witless> i'm trying to create a shared folder named /home/LOCAL/shared , created a group and gave it ownership of the directory, set g=rws permissions, added myself to the group - but everytime i try to enter the folder it closes the folder window... ?  i can get to it fine in a terminal
[02:38] <w-mute> bob2: gaaa! That line was not complete ... please give me a second try.
[02:38] <thechitowncubs> Razor-X, alright, i'm getting there, now it spat out: fg: job not found: ~%#
[02:38] <bob2> w-mute: depends how it's trying to load it
[02:38] <w-mute> bob2: so if I do "strace drip" how come that drip complains about lack of libdvdcss but no load of that lib shows up in strace or ltrace?
[02:38] <Razor-X> thechitowncubs: ohhh, sorry!
[02:39] <bob2> w-mute: I'd expect a stat to appear ta least
[02:39] <Razor-X> thechitowncubs: hahahah! ``PS1='%n@%m %~%#' ''
[02:39] <w-mute> bob2: I was hoping to see something like this, too.
[02:39] <Razor-X> again, remove the end quotes
[02:39] <windex> bob2: anyway, the real problem was the servers dealing with mbox files from stupid users who never cleaned out their mailbox. we switched it to a courier format for awhile, but eventually gave up and started storing metadata in sql and messages in individual files. thus, the mta i wrote.
[02:39] <Randall64> aptitude and synaptic seem to stomp on each other a bit
[02:39] <Razor-X> but keep the quotes after the =, thechitowncubs
[02:39] <bob2> courier uses maildir
[02:39] <bob2> not a special format
[02:39] <thechitowncubs> Razor-X, BINGO!
[02:39] <windex> bob2: yeah, maildir.
[02:39] <bob2> and dropping mail into a db with postfix would be easy
[02:39] <bob2> but a jillion times slower
[02:40] <witless> can someone on the gnome desktop please try to replicate my problem. i have no idea wtf is going on.
[02:40] <witless> i'm trying to create a shared folder named /home/LOCAL/shared , created a group and gave it ownership of the directory, set g=rws permissions, added myself to the group - but everytime i try to enter the folder it closes the folder window... ?  i can get to it fine in a terminal
[02:40] <thechitowncubs> Razor-X, one more, is there a way to get color coding back?
[02:40] <windex> i had never used postfix. :P
[02:40] <salapoliisi> can i install ubuntu with booting from knoppix live-cd?
[02:40] <Razor-X> thechitowncubs: you had color in your prompt string?
[02:40] <Razor-X> (because I didn't)
[02:40] <bob2> witless: did you log out and back again?
[02:40] <windex> bob2: a jillion times slower? sql for metadata is pretty fast.
[02:40] <w-mute> bob2: the issue is that drip suggests a recompile to solve that libdvdcss problem and I'm so not sure why Ubuntu would ship a program that needs a recompile to actually work.
[02:40] <bob2> salapoliisi: not simply
[02:40] <witless> bob2: yes
[02:40] <Razor-X> (because a lot of times, I use dumb terminals, that's why)
[02:40] <thechitowncubs> Razor-X, no, for example, when i typed
[02:40] <bob2> w-mute: er, because most countries have dumb dumb laws?
[02:40] <Razor-X> thechitowncubs: ls ?
[02:40] <thechitowncubs> Razor-X, no, for example, when i typed 'ls' it would color code the files according to permissions, etc
[02:40] <thechitowncubs> ya
[02:41] <salapoliisi> bob2: is it easier to somehow open the linux install from hard-drive
[02:41] <Razor-X> yeah
[02:41] <bob2> salapoliisi: why aren't you installing from an ubuntu cd?
[02:41] <w-mute> bob2: but wouldn't that also apply to libdvdcss.so (I mean, come on - they also ship the library).
[02:41] <Razor-X> thechitowncubs: ``alias ls='ls --color' ''
[02:41] <Razor-X> that's actually in your .bashrc
[02:41] <Razor-X> add it in your .zshrc as well
[02:41] <bob2> w-mute: no, ubuntu does not ship that
[02:41] <salapoliisi> bob2: corse i don't have any cd's right now, and im in lan-party
[02:41] <bob2> salapoliisi: so how on earth would you install from inside knppix?
[02:42] <w-mute> bob2: Hmm. Where did I get that library from, then? *check* ...
[02:42] <bob2> multiverse, I guess
[02:42] <bob2> which is bullshit
[02:42] <bob2> ah, no
[02:42] <bob2> w-mute: it's in marillat's repository
[02:42] <Razor-X> bob2: speak of the devil!
[02:43] <salapoliisi> bob2: not inside, but i thing it would be necesary to net-install from some linux distro
[02:43] <bob2> w-mute: anyway, if drip doesn'yt know how to dlopen it at run time, you could file a bug asking that it do that
[02:43] <thechitowncubs> Razor-X, any other things i will notice?
[02:43] <bob2> salapoliisi: and how will that save download time compared to downloading an iso?
[02:43] <witless> well, ubuntu is getting close, but this is ridiculous folks.  i'll try again after the next release.
[02:43] <w-mute> bob2: good idea. Thanks for your help.
[02:43] <Razor-X> thechitowncubs: not right on
[02:44] <salapoliisi> bob2: there's something like 100mb/s connection so i don't really care if it works
[02:44] <Razor-X> ahhh, a new dignation's here ;)
[02:44] <bob2> salapoliisi: so go get an iso, burn it
[02:44] <salapoliisi> bob2: i need cd for that
[02:44] <bob2> awesome, witless
[02:44] <kemik> go buy one :)
[02:44] <salapoliisi> kemik: at 3 in the morning?
[02:44] <bob2> salapoliisi: then setup a netboot machine or something
[02:45] <salapoliisi> hmm
[02:45] <Razor-X> salapoliisi: wow, they have LAN Parties in that part of the world? XD
[02:45] <kemik> salapoliisi:  711 ;)
[02:45] <sophtpaw> hi
[02:45] <PrimoTurbo> I'm having issues with mplayer, I can't seem to play anything. Anytime I load something it freezes
[02:45] <sophtpaw> can someone help a newbie?
[02:45] <Razor-X> PrimoTurbo: have you used restrictedformats thingie?
[02:45] <windex> sophtpaw: sup.
[02:45] <PrimoTurbo> xine works fine, totem is a little slow but works
[02:45] <kemik> XD?
[02:45] <Razor-X> sophtpaw: shoot
[02:45] <sophtpaw> i can't find .font in my home
[02:45] <Razor-X> kemik: it's a more exemplified of :-D
[02:45] <salapoliisi> Razor-X: what do you actually mean?
[02:45] <Will_> We're allowed to shoot people now?
[02:45] <bob2> PrimoTurbo: perhaps "pkill esd" then
[02:45] <PrimoTurbo> I don't know what that is Razor-X
[02:45] <Razor-X> salapoliisi: it's a joke
[02:45] <sophtpaw> is this supposed to be a default folder?
[02:45] <PrimoTurbo> what is pkill esd?
[02:45] <salapoliisi> Razor-X: well it's a stupid one
[02:45] <Razor-X> !tell PrimoTurbo about restrictedformats
[02:46] <PrimoTurbo> what does it do?
[02:46] <sophtpaw> i want to install some font you see
[02:46] <r0bby> why aren't manpages for libc functions such as strtok, strcmp, etc available?
[02:46] <bob2> PrimoTurbo: jut run it
[02:46] <Razor-X> salapoliisi: then you haven't heard the majority of American jokes
[02:46] <bob2> r0bby: because you didn't install manpages-dev
[02:46] <windex> sophtpaw: erm, being as that works to install fonts (can't tell you offhand), i'd think you could just mkdir .font and throw it in there.
[02:46] <Razor-X> it's supposed to characterize American ignorance for the rest of the world
[02:46] <kemik> r0bby:  they are if you install the right package
[02:46] <salapoliisi> yes, and i don't even want to
[02:46] <Razor-X> but, I guess that's not humor in those parts
[02:46] <Fizile> is there a special channel to ask for help in?
[02:46] <r0bby> this one
[02:46] <Razor-X> Fizile: this is the help channel
[02:46] <bob2> or your joke just wasn't funny
[02:46] <r0bby> read the topic.
[02:47] <PrimoTurbo> okay it works
[02:47] <Razor-X> bob2: well, I'ld think most would find it funny
[02:47] <sophtpaw> windex: you're saying i need to make the .fonts dir by mkdir .font?
[02:47] <PrimoTurbo> but do I always have to do pkill esd
[02:47] <r0bby> why didn't i think of that
[02:47] <PrimoTurbo> or is this forever
[02:47] <sophtpaw> i thought i should already have one by default
[02:47] <windex> sophtpaw: you can try that? where did you see to make a .fonts directory in your home directory?
[02:47] <windex> err, use a .fonts
[02:47] <kemik> Razor-X:  i didnt see the fun innit :X
[02:47] <bob2> PrimoTurbo: mplayer -ao esd ...
[02:47] <Madpilot> sophtpaw: or just "Create Folder" in Synaptic - I don't think .font is default
[02:47] <Fizile> anyone attempt to use Microsoft reader through crossover office?
[02:48] <Razor-X> kemik: ok *shrugs*
[02:48] <kemik> Razor-X:  unless it was some sort of attempt to make fun of american-ignorance :P
[02:48] <Madpilot> sorry, .fonts - forgot the 's'
[02:48] <Razor-X> kemik: it was
[02:48] <windex> sophtpaw: i'm not really very up to speed on anything ubuntu specific or, in general, X11.
[02:48] <sophtpaw> k
[02:48] <Razor-X> I'm guessing everyone finds that part of the world in high esteem *shrugs*
[02:48] <Razor-X> (which I don't, because most of them are too socialist for my tastes)
[02:48] <sophtpaw> well, thx for the intention :) that is the spirit!
[02:48] <windex> the united states sucks. we know. nothing we can do about it now. sorry!
[02:48] <PrimoTurbo> how do I make it so shortcuts always use that
[02:49] <PrimoTurbo> what does esd do exactly?
[02:49] <PrimoTurbo> bob2: what is this esd?
[02:49] <Razor-X> PrimoTurbo: it's a sound daemon (manages playing sound)
[02:49] <windex> PrimoTurbo: esd is a sound server, it allows multiple applications to play sounds simultaniously on sound cards that do not have native support for that feature.
[02:49] <PrimoTurbo> I see
[02:49] <PrimoTurbo> so I need to have this on all the time
[02:49] <kemik> Razor-X:  of course, you live in the worlds most capitalistic country, what you find socialistic is our extreme-right-wing parties :P
[02:49] <windex> PrimoTurbo: in windows, they do the same thing via the windows wave device / directx sound.
[02:50] <PrimoTurbo> how do I make it's always on
[02:50] <Razor-X> kemik: I find the majority of America socialist
[02:50] <windex> PrimoTurbo: do you use gnome? i thought gnome started it on login.
[02:50] <PrimoTurbo> how do I enable it so I don't need to do that command all the time
[02:50] <kemik> Razor-X:  yes, and im just saying that your worst "leftist" are our worst "rightwing"
[02:50] <windex> let me check the settings.
[02:50] <Razor-X> kemik: left and right have nothing to do with it
[02:50] <PrimoTurbo> I use gnome
[02:50] <Razor-X> left and right refer to Conservative an Liberal
[02:50] <Razor-X> ;)
[02:51] <windex> PrimoTurbo: System -> Prefrences -> Sound .. check enable sound server startup
[02:51] <PrimoTurbo> k
[02:51] <kemik> well, here it refers to socialist / capitalist
[02:51] <PrimoTurbo> I have it on
[02:51] <windex> hm.
[02:51] <Razor-X> kemik: no, that's a worldwide fudgeover ;), the actual political compass makes a distinction
[02:51] <windex> i'd assume it's suposed to start automatically already then :)
[02:51] <Razor-X> that's why it has two axes
[02:52] <PrimoTurbo> why did bob2 tell me to do "pkill esd" then?
[02:52] <PrimoTurbo> to kill esd?
[02:52] <windex> ohhhh.
[02:52] <windex> he told you to restart it?
[02:52] <PrimoTurbo> no
[02:52] <PrimoTurbo> he said pkill esd
[02:52] <Will_> Over here (england) it refers to tory (capitalists) and labor (soci....capitalists.)
[02:52] <PrimoTurbo> and it fixed my problem
[02:52] <PrimoTurbo> mplayer can now run with out freezing
[02:52] <kemik> Will_:  as it does here, but different parties
[02:52] <vinux_>  hello all. Anybody know of a tool to resize my partiton that my ubuntu is on?
[02:52] <PrimoTurbo> but do I need to do pkill esd all the time now?
[02:52] <windex> mplayer must not support output to esd?
[02:52] <Razor-X> Will_: generally, Up is Totalitarion, Down is Anarchist, Left is Liberal, Right is conservative, IMO
[02:52] <Razor-X> i'm Up-Left ;)
[02:52] <kemik> however, Razor-X tries to use the words as they were meant to be from the beginning
[02:53] <Will_> I'm Chaotic Good
[02:53] <PrimoTurbo> what are u guys talking about is there a link
[02:53] <kemik> heheeh, u been playing too much RPGs ;)
[02:53] <Razor-X> kemik: well, I tend to make things universal, rather than cause these locale rifts?
[02:53] <windex> PrimoTurbo: the thing is, your sound card does not support multiple writes at once to its dsp. if ESD is running, mplayer can't write to the same device.
[02:53] <Will_> I role play. sometimes. just for the chicks..
[02:53] <Razor-X> or, does everyone hold their own country in such esteem that they cannot universalize?
[02:53] <Razor-X> Will_: XD
[02:54] <PrimoTurbo> so I need to do pkill esd when i want to run mplayer?
[02:54] <Madpilot> Razor-X: are you talking about http://www.politicalcompass.org/  <-- this?
[02:54] <Razor-X> not many people would do that
[02:54] <PrimoTurbo> bob2 PrimoTurbo: mplayer -ao esd ...
[02:54] <GammaRay> can't mplayer can use esd?
[02:54] <Razor-X> Madpilot: yeah, I may have gotten the axes wrong, but yeah
[02:54] <windex> PrimoTurbo: check mplayer's prefrences to see if it supports output to ESD.
[02:54] <kemik> Razor-X:  sure, but i was trying to get a point across that things are not "universal"
[02:54] <Razor-X> Madpilot: it's also used in Political study as it is
[02:54] <HrdwrBoB> mplayer can use esd
[02:54] <HrdwrBoB> however you're beter off NOT using esd
[02:54] <Razor-X> kemik: well, it's a Political Science type thing
[02:54] <windex> PrimoTurbo: if it does support ESD, change it, save it, and then log out and log back in. mplayer will play nicely then.
[02:54] <HrdwrBoB> because it will be massively out of sync
[02:54] <sophtpaw> in KDE's control panel all i had to do was add font. Seems harder here in Gnome
[02:54] <HrdwrBoB> because ESD is terrible
[02:54] <Razor-X> and sciences are generally region independant
[02:54] <kemik> Razor-X:  ie; what you consider socialist is what alot of europeans would consider extreme capitalism
[02:54] <PrimoTurbo> it does
[02:54] <windex> HrdwrBoB: esd is still that bad?
[02:54] <HrdwrBoB> windex: yes
[02:55] <PrimoTurbo> k I will
[02:55] <Madpilot> Razor-X: OK - it's got some interesting biases, but it's better than some of the other "political tests" I've seen...
[02:55] <windex> HrdwrBoB: that sucks.
[02:55] <Velcan> How can I change totem from being the default wmv player
[02:55] <Razor-X> Madpilot: not the test, the axes
[02:55] <Velcan> particurally in firefox
[02:55] <Razor-X> the test has nothing to do with it
[02:55] <windex> HrdwrBoB: does ubuntu's kernel by default enable preemption?
[02:55] <Madpilot> Razor-X: but it does, because the writers of the test designed the axes, and had particular (American, I think) definitions in mind
[02:56] <Razor-X> Madpilot: in political study, the same axes are used
[02:56] <nothingsometing> does anyone think they coul tell me how to create 2 samba users and directorys with one guest directory that is all i want
[02:56] <PrimoTurbo> crap it doesn't work now
[02:56] <nothingsometing> and i do not know the first thing about code
[02:56] <PrimoTurbo> do I need to do pkill esd again?
[02:56] <windex> PrimoTurbo: re-open mplayer and make sure it's still set to esd
[02:57] <PrimoTurbo> changed back to alsa
[02:57] <PrimoTurbo> how do I make it esd so it stays
[02:57] <windex> set it to esd and play something.
[02:57] <PrimoTurbo> yeah it works
[02:57] <PrimoTurbo> but will it stick on esd now?
[02:57] <windex> or find the hidden save button.
[02:58] <windex> no idea. try it out.
[02:58] <citrus_> whats the easiest way to install my linksys wireless card   i got  ndiswrapper-utils  installed
[02:58] <sophtpaw> windex: you said to ' mkdir .fonts ' to create .fonts folder; how do i ensure it is in home?
[02:58] <citrus_> ineed to know tha rest
[02:58] <PrimoTurbo> i closed it and opened it again and appears to work fine now, thank. I'll try to log off just in case
[02:59] <windex> sophtpaw: open a terminal, type: mkdir ~/.fonts
[02:59] <GammaRay> sophtpaw: mkdir $HOME/.fonts
[02:59] <sophtpaw> thx
[02:59] <windex> GammaRay: yay. more than one way to do the same thing. ITS SO FUN.
[03:00] <PrimoTurbo> works good, thanks dude :)
[03:00] <windex> k.
[03:00] <windex> PrimoTurbo: just so you know, i'd use VLC over using mplayer. but that's me. :D vlc does more.
[03:00] <vinux_> Does anybody know of a partition resizer program out there? what's good to resize my ubuntu partition?
[03:00] <Will_> windex: What more does it do?
[03:00] <GammaRay> windex: what's your problem?
[03:01] <Razor-X> windex: hah
[03:01] <segphault> yo folks. I'm having rhythmbox issues. When I import my music library, most of the tags end up as 'unknown'. I checked in easytag, and the tags really are there, they just aren't being detected
[03:01] <Razor-X> VLC kicks ass
[03:01] <windex> attack of the windex:
[03:01] <PrimoTurbo> yeah I like vlc on windows
[03:01] <Razor-X> Will_: one thing, it doesen't need illegal software
[03:01] <Will_> Illegal?
[03:01] <PrimoTurbo> I have xine, tottem and mplayer so far I need mplayer for apple stuff
[03:01] <Razor-X> the others use w32codecs, which is illegal
[03:01] <PrimoTurbo> how can I install vlc on here?
[03:01] <windex> Will_: vlc dosen't need win32 codecs to play win32 media.
[03:02] <Razor-X> PrimoTurbo: sudo aptitude install vlc
[03:02] <windex> PrimoTurbo: sudo aptitude install vlc (enable universe first)
[03:02] <windex> i think it's in universe.
[03:02] <PrimoTurbo> I think I have universe already
[03:02] <Razor-X> ow!
[03:02] <PrimoTurbo> also how can I make it default player
[03:02] <windex> GammaRay: also, i was just pointing out how there are about 3,000 diffrent ways to do any one thing. :P
[03:02] <Razor-X> I got my lip stuck in a calculator
[03:02] <Madpilot> segphault: try Muine, I've had better luck with it
[03:03] <Fizile> Razor-X, pwnt
[03:03] <Madpilot> Razor-X: a what?
[03:03] <segphault> ={ I don't like muine
[03:03] <Razor-X> Madpilot: heh
[03:03] <windex> PrimoTurbo: let me check
[03:03] <Will_> Razor-X: Don't admit stuff like that
[03:03] <PrimoTurbo> thanks
[03:03] <Madpilot> segphault: OK, but I had import troubles with Rythymbox too - but Muine imports everything perfectly...
[03:03] <Razor-X> Will_: I don't care ;)
[03:03] <GammaRay> Razor-X: so VLC can play wmv files?
[03:03] <Razor-X> ``Embarrassment is a local thing''
[03:04] <Madpilot> not when you're on IRC...
[03:04] <Razor-X> GammaRay: with a patch, yeah
[03:04] <Razor-X> Madpilot: it's a quote from Leo Laporte
[03:04] <Razor-X> if all goes well, I buy an iRiver today ;)
[03:04] <GammaRay> Razor-X: and ofcourse it has no problems with wma files
[03:04] <Razor-X> GammaRay: are you trying to mock me?
[03:05] <PrimoTurbo> de javu or however u spell it
[03:05] <Razor-X> of course it has problems by default, because it uses _illegal software_
[03:05] <GammaRay> and sorenson should not be a problem
[03:05] <Razor-X> PrimoTurbo: deja vu
[03:05] <PrimoTurbo> my bad
[03:05] <occy> if I have a user with the same username on another box.  Can I just tar cvfz user-backup.tar.gz /home/my_user
[03:05] <GammaRay> Razor-X: kinda depends on how you answer
[03:05] <occy> and nuke the new user on the new machine and untar?
[03:05] <occy> untar the backup that is.
[03:06] <Razor-X> s/it uses/it doesen't use/
[03:06] <PrimoTurbo> how does your desktop look like guys?
[03:06] <skratch> occy, sure :P
[03:06] <PrimoTurbo> can anyone take a pic and show me :O
[03:06] <GammaRay> PrimoTurbo: black
[03:06] <liraz> I'm getting a fatal error when trying to load snd_bt_sco. "FATAL: Module snd_bt_sco not found". The module exists in  "/lib/modules/2.6.10/extra/snd-bt-sco.ko" but even trying "modprobe /lib/modules/2.6.10/extra/snd-bt-sco.ko" returns module not found.
[03:06] <occy> skratch, heh
[03:06] <occy> any CSS guru's here?
[03:06] <Razor-X> PrimoTurbo: http://www.sosdg.org/~razorx/snapshot5.png
[03:06] <Fizile> whats not cool... is microsoft reader not working through crossover offive
[03:07] <PrimoTurbo> i see
[03:07] <PrimoTurbo> u use kde
[03:07] <Fizile> installs fine, then when attempting to use it it opens for less than 1/2 second before closing
[03:07] <Fizile> gnome
[03:07] <Razor-X> that's my emacs, and yes, I use KDE
[03:07] <windex> PrimoTurbo: i can't find where to change file extensions
[03:07] <Razor-X> my emacs _is_ my desktop ;)
[03:07] <robotgeek> Razor-X: not emacs again!
[03:07] <PrimoTurbo> windex, thanks for help I think I have an idea how
[03:07] <Razor-X> robotgeek: i'm saying it
[03:07] <windex> PrimoTurbo: np.
[03:08] <Razor-X> robotgeek: if cafuego can say BitchX is crap, I can say emacs is my desktop
[03:08] <PrimoTurbo> how do I add a shortcut in my menu for VLC?
[03:08] <Razor-X> PrimoTurbo: get smeg
[03:08] <Razor-X> (and then thank Amaranth)
[03:08] <PrimoTurbo> what is smeg exactly?
[03:08] <GammaRay> a menu editor
[03:08] <robotgeek> Razor-X:  cafuego said that. not good. but anyways, i just use xchat!
[03:08] <PrimoTurbo> alright
[03:08] <Madpilot> PrimoTurbo: I'm a sucker for a request to show off my desktop: http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/2944/warbard1jz.png
[03:09] <PrimoTurbo> very nice
[03:09] <PrePdLegal> Is there a utility to install a printer?
[03:09] <PrePdLegal> sub
[03:09] <PrePdLegal> err
[03:09] <PrePdLegal> usb
[03:09] <robotgeek> My desktop is just a term/whatever app i am using without borders
[03:09] <GammaRay> Madpilot: gawd man.. just send us the background and be done with it
[03:09] <PrimoTurbo> I need to mess around with mine after it's default atm, which is not bad but the brown/orange look I don't like
[03:09] <Fizile> aggghhh png format for hugefiles
[03:10] <PrimoTurbo> why do u guys use Opera anyway?
[03:10] <PrimoTurbo> is it that good?
[03:10] <robotgeek> ewww...i hate cats!
[03:10] <PrimoTurbo> don't u need to pay for it?
[03:10] <Madpilot> GammaRay: the cat's from gnome-looks.org, I think - and sorry, I didn't bother to resize the thing - lazy...
[03:10] <windex> PrePdLegal: plug in printer, use the printer config under system->prefrences ...
[03:10] <Madpilot> PrimoTurbo: no, it's free. and it rocks.
[03:10] <PrePdLegal> thanx
[03:10] <PrimoTurbo> but it has ads
[03:10] <PrimoTurbo> doesn't it?
[03:11] <Razor-X> PrimoTurbo: Opera is awesome
[03:11] <robotgeek> not the academic one, i guess!
[03:11] <Madpilot> PrimoTurbo: one two-line text ad right at the top. I can live with it
[03:11] <Razor-X> so what? ads aren't that bad
[03:11] <GammaRay> opera is "freeware"
[03:11] <CVirus> is there an "extras" repository for ubuntu ?
[03:11] <Razor-X> GammaRay: so?
[03:11] <PrimoTurbo> I like firefox better because of the tab order
[03:11] <Velcan> how can i remove totem from the 'open with' menu?
[03:11] <Razor-X> PrimoTurbo: tab order?
[03:11] <PrimoTurbo> in opera it's the last one u had open and in firefox it's the last one
[03:11] <PrimoTurbo> yeah
[03:11] <LasseL> How can I turn off the daemons: evolution-data-server and evolution-alarm running
[03:11] <Razor-X> PrimoTurbo: I like it the other way 'round
[03:12] <PrimoTurbo> to each their own :P
[03:12] <GammaRay> Razor-X: buttons
[03:12] <Razor-X> and I think you can change that
[03:12] <robotgeek> Velcan: System -> preferences -> preferred applications
[03:12] <Velcan> if i uninstall totem i get some lame error saying make sure i have totem installed correcty when i go to view a vid files properties
[03:12] <bugz> Can anyone here answer a small question about Limewire >_>
[03:12] <Razor-X> GammaRay: so, do you die choking in acid because it has a 2 line text ad?
[03:12] <brettcar>                   http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/2944/warbard1jz.png
[03:12] <Madpilot> PrimoTurbo: not sure what you mean about tab order - but in Opera you can drag tabs back and forth at will...
[03:12] <Fizile> any channels i might visit for help dedicated primarily to running windows programs on linux
[03:12] <Velcan> robotgeek:  thanks
[03:12] <Razor-X> I guess many people here are nonpayware nazis
[03:12] <HrdwrBoB> firefox you need an extension for it
[03:12] <HrdwrBoB> but it can do it
[03:12] <Razor-X> they don't care about libre-free, but pay-free
[03:13] <GammaRay> Razor-X: no. I'm just stateing what it is
[03:13] <Razor-X> GammaRay: as did Madpilot
[03:13] <Razor-X> and i'm just saying that many people are nonpayware nazis
[03:13] <Razor-X> no specific person
[03:13] <robotgeek> Razor-X: hmmm
[03:13] <GammaRay> Razor-X: not really
[03:13] <PrimoTurbo> tab close order
[03:13] <Velcan> robotgeek:  ... i have three otions there ... none of which have to do with mutimedia
[03:13] <PrimoTurbo> when u close tabs
[03:13] <PrimoTurbo> sorry I wasn't clear, I know Opera isn't bad I had it on windows before
 PrimoTurbo: one two-line text ad right at the top. I can live with
[03:13] <Razor-X> 	   it
[03:14] <bugz> Almost every time I try to close LimeWire, it just wipes the GUI of the window and keeps a blank grey window open. And, I can't close it. System monitor doesn't show it as running...any way to fix this?
[03:14] <robotgeek> Velcan: uno momento
[03:14] <GammaRay> Razor-X: I saw that
[03:14] <Velcan> robotgeek:  okay
[03:14] <liraz> Does the patching of 'security' include bug patches(somthing which is not a security concern, just a pain in the butt) ?
[03:14] <Madpilot> PrimoTurbo: ah, OK. in Opera i usually just middle-click on the tab to close it
[03:14] <Razor-X> and that's what I echoed
[03:14] <robotgeek> Velcan: right click on the file, and say Properties. i guess u can adjust it there!
[03:14] <bugz> Anyone?
[03:14] <Razor-X> I used to use mouse gestures a lot, but now without a mouse, that's kinda useless
[03:15] <Velcan> robotgeek:  totem cannot be removed though
[03:15] <GammaRay> Razor-X: well that didn't exactly explain what sort of license opera has
[03:15] <Velcan> 'remove' tis gray
[03:15] <Razor-X> GammaRay: and neither did your statement
[03:15] <Madpilot> Razor-X: Opera's mouse gestures dont work with a trackball?
[03:15] <Razor-X> Madpilot: they do, but they're much less useful
[03:15] <Brunellus> has anyone tried installing new gnome themes?
[03:15] <robotgeek> Velcan: since i don't use nautilus anymore, i am not sure on how to help you. sorry!
[03:15] <Razor-X> because mouse gestures are designed to be short jerks of the wrist
[03:15] <Velcan> robotgeek:  and if i uninstall totem and then try to view files properties i get an error saying to make sure totem is installed correctly
[03:16] <Velcan> totem is a virus!
[03:16] <Razor-X> doing that with your thumb is a bit odd (since mine is a thumb-style trackball)
[03:16] <Velcan> lol
[03:16] <phixion> ugh
[03:16] <phixion> trackball?!?!
[03:16] <PrimoTurbo> Madpilot: I do this also but if you have 25 tabs open because u are viewing an image gallery I find it very bad to use that. I just press the x button and it closes all the tabs in order not the last one I saw
[03:16] <robotgeek> i think they are nice, trackballs
[03:16] <Fizile> i have a friend with 3 fingers who uses a track ball
[03:16] <Madpilot> Razor-X: makes sense; the few times I've used a trackball it's been an old & cruddy one, not a fair test at all...
[03:16] <Brunellus> bah.
[03:17] <ericz> i have a trackball
[03:17] <Velcan> totem is starting to remind me of uninstalling aol and it spawns itself in 23452345 more places on a windoze box :(
[03:17] <ericz> kensington "expert mouse
[03:17] <PrimoTurbo> not saying it's bad, I know it's great just used to firefox more i guess
[03:17] <hybrid_goth> ericz: congrats trackballs pwn
[03:17] <GammaRay> Razor-X: what exactly is your point? you seem to be grasping at straws to be contrary.
[03:17] <PrimoTurbo> what was that site u got the cat wallpaper again?
[03:17] <PrimoTurbo> sorry I missed it and can't find it
[03:18] <Razor-X> GammaRay: and you seem to be contesting everything I say
[03:18] <Dreamer3> anyone here know how ssh port fowarding works?
[03:18] <hondje> Because you're wrong, trackballs are inferior :p
[03:18] <Madpilot> PrimoTurbo: just a second, I'll check. I think it was gnome-look.org
[03:18] <hondje> Dreamer3: through a router or what?
[03:18] <robotgeek> no fights here, please :)
[03:18] <liraz> Dreamer3, SSH port fowarding? are you trying to ask how to port foward to ssh?
[03:18] <GammaRay> I thought it was http://art.gnome.org/
[03:18] <Razor-X> hondje: hah ;)
[03:18] <lancer285> is there a good dvdauthor frontend already packaged for ubuntu??
[03:18] <Razor-X> I like my trackball, I know many hate it though
[03:18] <Dreamer3> hondje: i'm trying to setup a ssh tunnel to mysql on a remote box
[03:19] <Dreamer3> hondje: it seems pretty easy, but it's just not working
[03:19] <Madpilot> PrimoTurbo: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=23009  <-- there you go
[03:19] <hondje> ah, a tunnel
[03:19] <robotgeek> damn, it's always something huh...vi vs emacs, wm flamewars, and now ...mice vs trackballs!
[03:19] <GammaRay> Razor-X: please man.. all I said was it was freeware and you said "so?". who is contesting what now?
[03:19] <benplaut> trackpoint vs touchpad
[03:20] <Madpilot> I got in trouble here on channel a while ago for introducing that desktop as "check out the pussy in that pic!"... heh...
[03:20] <hondje> Dreamer3: what options are you using?
[03:20] <robotgeek> :)
[03:20] <benplaut> Madpilot, Madpilot, Madpilot...
[03:20] <Dreamer3> hondje: ssh -L 3310:remotehost:3306 username@remotehost
[03:21] <PrimoTurbo> Thnx
[03:21] <Dreamer3> hondje: i'm trying to get the local port 3310 to connect me transparently to the remote port 3306
[03:21] <hondje> Dreamer3: that looks okay to me
[03:21] <hondje> Anything from verbose?
[03:21] <Razor-X> GammaRay: you said it's "freeware"
[03:22] <Madpilot> benplaut: I"m evil, I know. a couple of ppl had posted desktops with nice (under-dressed) women on them, so I had to push a little bit further...
[03:22] <Razor-X> and you kept contesting VLC when I suggested it
[03:22] <_SD_Keo> How do I set my computer to go from eth1 instead of eth0, I want the modem to go from USB so I can play my Xbox online
[03:22] <Dreamer3> hondje: i try to connect and get ERROR 2013: Lost connection to MySQL server during query on the client and "channel 3: open failed: connect failed: Connection refused" on the server
[03:22] <Razor-X> Madpilot: underdressed XD
[03:22] <GammaRay> Razor-X: you're reading into those quotes too much.
[03:23] <windex> Madpilot: there is no such thing as under dressed. until you get bored looking at porn.
[03:23] <Razor-X> well, after repeatedly contradicting everything else, it gets to you
[03:23] <Nate> I tried the Kubuntu amd64 live CD, but the computer locked right after loading the KDE background, can anyone help?
[03:23] <Dreamer3> hondje: got it :)
[03:24] <Dreamer3> hondje: -L needed to be 127.0.0.1... because it's LOCAL to the server... and i imagine the way i had it the firewall was just blocking itself :)
[03:24] <GammaRay> Razor-X: and if you're gonna say VLC can play all windows media files, if it can't back it up expect some contradictions
[03:24] <Dreamer3> hondje: sweet :)
[03:24] <vader1102> Nate no idea, but they are kool in here if there is an answer they will find it
[03:24] <Razor-X> GammaRay: I said it can with a patch
[03:24] <hondje> ah, great Dreamer3 :)
[03:24] <Razor-X> and you said ``It can play it with no hiccups'' ?
[03:24] <Dreamer3> hondje: now anyway to tell SSH i don't need a remote login, but just to hold open the connection?
[03:24] <creig> Question to anybody, I am looking for a new Plug and Play PCI soundcard that works with Linux (without any configuration). Could anyone advise me of such a card
[03:24] <Razor-X> it's as if you're pushing me to say no, that's a question I expect in a mock trial
[03:24] <_SD_Keo> How do I set my computer to go from eth1 instead of eth0, I want the modem to go from USB so I can play my Xbox online =\ I need some help configuring it
[03:25] <hondje> Dreamer3: change the keep alive value in sshd_config maybe?
[03:25] <Nate> It also happened with the Ubuntu amd64 LiveCD, right after the Ubuntu splash screen
[03:25] <hybrid_goth> _SD_Keo: wanna use you comp as a router for the xbox?
[03:25] <Nate> locked right up
[03:25] <hondje> Dreamer3: Or use keys so that you don't have to log in, just connect and let it do its voodoo
[03:25] <windex> Nate: i'm going to guess that a lot of people do not have amd64 machines to test with.
[03:25] <_SD_Keo> hybrid_goth: Yes, I'm planning on using XBconnect
[03:25] <Dreamer3> hondje: ok... i can setup keys, but right now running that commands gives me a login on the remote box... in addition to port forwarding... i don't want/need the login
[03:25] <hondje> Just the tunnel?
[03:26] <Dreamer3> hondje: yes, just the runnel
[03:26] <GammaRay> Razor-X: I said no such thing
[03:26] <hondje> No idea, I've never tried that before
[03:26] <Madpilot> Nate: first question: the AMD64 machine works with another OS?
[03:26] <Nate> windows
[03:26] <Madpilot> OK, just trying to rule out hardware failure! Beyond that, I'm afraid I can't help...
[03:27] <Dreamer3> hondje: -N for your future reference (don't run any command)
[03:27] <hybrid_goth> _SD_Keo: so you want it to use WLAN and you xbox tho be connect in a LAN from the WLAN?
[03:27] <Dreamer3> hondje: sweet, that was TOO easy
 Razor-X: so VLC can play wmv files?
[03:27] <hondje> Dreamer3: hehe, just found that in the man page after you said it :) ssh is fun
[03:27] <_SD_Keo> hybrid_goth: Yes
 GammaRay: with a patch, yeah
[03:27] <hybrid_goth> ok
[03:28] <GammaRay> Razor-X: that's not the quote you just put forth
 Razor-X: and ofcourse it has no problems with wma files
[03:28] <Dreamer3> hondje: indeed :-)
[03:28] <Dreamer3> hondje: now with keys i can do this without a prompt
[03:28] <LinuxJones> Razor-X & GammaRay please kiss + make up :)
[03:28] <hondje> yeah, for scripting lazy powers :)
[03:28] <Razor-X> i'm sorry if I misquoted, but there you are
[03:28] <robotgeek> !codecs
[03:28] <ubotu> hmm... codecs is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:28] <Razor-X> I said ``With a patch'' and you said ``It has no problems?''
[03:29] <_SD_Keo> hybrid_goth: I just need help setting up the modem, then I'll be on my way
[03:29] <hybrid_goth> _SD_Keo: try iwconfig
[03:29] <GammaRay> Razor-X: well I just expected you to be able to backup your claims.
[03:29] <hybrid_goth> to start up on the WLAN
[03:29] <Razor-X> that was unwarranted, the statement ``With a patch'' strongly implies a caveat, I'm not about to explicitly say ``Yes it has problems''
[03:30] <Razor-X> because while the validity of the second statement is true, it can be curbed with the adding of a patch
[03:30] <LinuxJones> Razor-X & GammaRay take your conversation to #off-topic please !!
[03:30] <Razor-X> these little specifics are pointless over IRC, heavily noted in a court case
[03:30] <_SD_Keo> hybrid_goth: I want to use the USB connection from my modem to connect to the internet
[03:30] <foxiness> how can i create app with c# on linux "i konw mono and monodevelop" but i can not find GUI ?
[03:30] <hondje> I like watching teenagers debate :)
[03:30] <hybrid_goth> _SD_Keo: is it supported by linux
[03:31] <Velcan> okay. atm i have totem (or the devil as i like to call it), mplayer, and vlc all installed ... i would like to remove totem completely from my system ... right now i have mplayer selected as my default player in a '*.avi's properties window but i cannot click 'remove' when totem is hilighted ... the reason this is a problem is because if i uninstall totem i get an error when viewing any *.avi files properties saying .. 'Couldn't load the '
[03:31] <Velcan> Properties dialog' interface.   Make sure that Totem is properly installed.' ... can anyone help?
[03:31] <hondje> foxiness: a gui? What do you mean, like an IDE?
[03:31] <GammaRay> Razor-X: whatever
[03:31] <Razor-X> LinuxJones: ``If you say something, I expect you can back it up''
[03:31] <_SD_Keo> hybrid_goth: Yes, I see it as eth1 in the network settings..
[03:31] <hybrid_goth> _SD_Keo: iwconfig helps with wlan
[03:31] <foxiness> hondje, did you know .net 'VS.net'
[03:32] <hybrid_goth> _SD_Keo: i dont remember the command of the top of my head but a good man -k wireless helps
[03:32] <hondje> foxiness: No, never touched it, but it's an IDE as far as I know
[03:32] <foxiness> hondje, i want GUI buldier
[03:32] <LinuxJones> Razor-X, your conversation with GammaRay is off-topic, either PM or move to #off-topic where debating is encouraged :)
[03:32] <hondje> foxiness: kdevelop maybe
[03:32] <_SD_Keo> hybrid_goth: I have no wireless
[03:32] <GammaRay> LinuxJones: are you an OP?
[03:32] <hondje> Does he have to be an op for the rules to matter?
[03:32] <LinuxJones> GammaRay, no I am not
[03:32] <LinuxJones> GammaRay, but so what ?
[03:32] <hybrid_goth> _SD_Keo: ???
[03:32] <robotgeek> !ops
[03:32] <ubotu> Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, fooishbar, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmich, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia!
[03:33] <foxiness> hondje, yes like kdevelop but i wander can it support c# or vb?
[03:33] <hybrid_goth> no WLAN?
[03:33] <hondje> I don't know foxiness
[03:33] <GammaRay> LinuxJones: maybe you should leave the OPing to the OPs then
[03:33] <robotgeek> i've called the ops in!
[03:33] <windex> (i don't think razor-x started the argument with gammaray, they're both just stubborn..)
[03:33] <_SD_Keo> hybrid_goth: I have no switch, there's a crossover cable running to the XBOX, and the PC is hogging the ethernet port that I need..
[03:33] <robotgeek> GammaRay: nah, there's no need for an op
[03:33] <Madpilot> interesting... does Ubuntu always show "2 users" when you run 'uptime' in term?
[03:33] <foxiness> hondje, haha nice :)
[03:33] <rob^> _SD_Keo, just install a second nic
[03:33] <robotgeek> it's a ubuntu channel, and it's one for a purpose!
[03:33] <coralite> total lin noob here, need help view windows harddrives
[03:34] <robotgeek> Madpilot: one is the term
[03:34] <hybrid_goth> _SD_Keo: without a wireless network the usb wireless wont work
[03:34] <LinuxJones> GammaRay, I have been polite and asked you to stay on-topic, please read the rules of the irc channel
[03:34] <Madpilot> and the other is me - OK. more linux oddness to get used to
[03:34] <_SD_Keo> rob^: I have very little$ and no truck..
[03:34] <Madpilot> !conduct
[03:34] <ubotu> somebody said conduct was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/document_view
[03:34] <robotgeek> Madpilot: to get rid of that, you would need to launch xterm without creating a login shell
[03:34] <rob^> _SD_Keo, ah, ok. there are only about $10 to buy now
[03:35] <windex> Madpilot: one user is on the local console logged into GDM / X, the other user is your terminal window.
[03:35] <_SD_Keo> hybrid_goth: I said nothing about wireless, the modem sits next to the PC and I would like it hooked up through USB directly
[03:35] <foxiness> hondje, what the tools you use to build GUI
[03:35] <hybrid_goth> i have never hooked a usb modem srry
[03:36] <Madpilot> windex & robotgeek: cool, thanks.
[03:36] <rob^> _SD_Keo, most usb modems don't work with Linuxeither
[03:36] <hondje> foxiness: I use qt designer and C++
[03:36] <rob^> umm with a space
[03:36] <windex> well, actually. modems that act as USB Serial devices do.
[03:36] <windex> and that's a number of them.
[03:36] <_SD_Keo> rob^: this one does, from what I've seen in the linuxquestions.org forums
[03:36] <hondje> foxiness: Or GUIDE/Simulink and Matlab
[03:36] <Eighth> I'm trying to install expocity and ./configure reports that i need a newer gtk+.  synaptic reports that it's up to date.  what should i try now?  (actual output snippet at http://rafb.net/paste/results/aAXIBD93.html)
[03:36] <rob^> _SD_Keo, ok, do you need help setting it up?
[03:36] <_SD_Keo> rob^: yes
[03:36] <stian> what was the command to view the prosesses and cpu usage
[03:37] <_SD_Keo> pstree
[03:37] <rob^> _SD_Keo, what kind ok modem is it?
[03:37] <windex> _SD_Keo: it should be as easy as: plug it in, log into terminal, type 'dmesg', see where it assigned it, then use that as the modem device.
[03:37] <rob^> of ^
[03:37] <windex> stian: top
[03:37] <stian> windex, Thanks :)
[03:37] <_SD_Keo> rob^: Motorola surfboard sb5100
[03:37] <windex> that is not a modem
[03:37] <windex> that's a cable modem.
[03:37] <foxiness> hondje, is there tools for gnome like qt designer?
[03:38] <_SD_Keo> I sad cable modem -_-
[03:38] <windex> it presents a usb ethernet connection, not a usb serial interface.
[03:38] <_SD_Keo> **said
[03:38] <windex> i didn't catch that :)
[03:38] <Madpilot> what's a zombie task? (has visions of undead lurching thru his Ubuntu..)
[03:38] <rob^> _SD_Keo, http://linuxweblog.com/node/154
[03:38] <Fizile> just that, zombies
[03:38] <windex> _SD_Keo: if you plug in its usb port and reload it (power cycle) does it show up in the ifconfig -a list ?
[03:38] <hondje> foxiness: I'm not really sure...I think glade/glade2 make GUIs, but I'm not a programmer, just someone who gets bored sometimes :)
[03:38] <rob^> hmm that link uses eithernet though
[03:38] <rob^> ethernet
[03:39] <rob^> I need more sleep :P
[03:39] <windex> Madpilot: a process neither responding to the system or doing anything on its own. they usually get killed off over time, but sometimes are more persistant.
[03:39] <Brunellus> I'm trying to configure lm-sensors
[03:39] <Madpilot> windex: kk - any way to ID the zombie?
[03:39] <coralite> can anyone help me view my wndows drives?
[03:39] <Brunellus> should I just let it add the requisite lines to /etc/modules?
[03:39] <Madpilot> !sensors
[03:39] <ubotu> Madpilot: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[03:39] <robotgeek> coralite: where's it mounted?
[03:39] <Brunellus> the howto on the forums advises to ad them in reverse order
[03:40] <coralite> robotgeek, I am not sure even how to mount, total noob
[03:40] <windex> Madpilot: at one point linux kept intact the data now stored in argv[0] . since applications are in charge of their own name, linux can only refrence their name to what they call themselves. a zombie process proably has no valid memory, so no name.
[03:40] <foxiness> hondje, how long you use linux ?
[03:40] <hondje> foxiness: about 5 years
[03:40] <robotgeek> sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdxx /windowsdrive or something similiar
[03:40] <coralite> I'll give it a shot
[03:40] <robotgeek> coralite: hmm...okay
[03:41] <Madpilot> windex: OK, so I'll ignore it - and it'll either got away on it's own or die whenever I next reboot this box?
[03:41] <windex> Madpilot: yep.
[03:41] <robotgeek> coralite: do a fdisk /dev/hda
[03:41] <foxiness> hondje, nice :)
[03:41] <hondje> :)
[03:41] <Madpilot> windex: thanks again
[03:41] <windex> Madpilot: np.
[03:42] <rob^> _SD_Keo, the kernel modules you need are CDCEther and usbnet
[03:42] <coralite> unable to open is the response from the fdisk command
[03:42] <drew> whenever I open up Mplayer, I get an error telling me: could not initialize video filters (-vf) or video output (-vo)
[03:42] <robotgeek> coralite: sudo
[03:42] <drew> what is wrong?
[03:44] <coralite> Command (m for help):
[03:44] <coralite> ?
[03:44] <foxiness> is the ubuntu artwork team will use something basd on cairo "like theme,icon" ?
[03:44] <robotgeek> coralite:  p for print, locate your windows hard drive
[03:45] <_SD_Keo> =D Yay
[03:45] <_SD_Keo> Now to get the Xbox to read me
[03:45] <coralite> k now wut?
[03:45] <Thunderguy> gah... I got a file in my users home directory, I mount an ntfs partition to it, but I can only mount as root, under root it wont allow me to change file permissions to my user with chown it says: file system is read only., I just want another user to be able to read and execute the ntfs drive.
[03:45] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i saw an app in synaptic the other day that can use the windows messenger service acrost a lan network
[03:45] <robotgeek> coralite:  did you find the location of your windows partition?
[03:46] <Thunderguy> directory*
[03:46] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> anyone know what the apps called?
[03:46] <dougsk> ChurcH_of_FoamY, linpopup maybe?
[03:46] <coralite> this look right? "/dev/hda2            2090        6068    31961317+   f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)"
[03:46] <Madpilot> ChurcH_of_FoamY: lin something
[03:46] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thanx
[03:46] <Eighth> Thunderguy: linux generally mounts ntfs partitions as ro
[03:46] <tech> is there a way to get apt to ignore depends?
[03:46] <robotgeek> coralite: yeah, now create a directory someplace, where you want to mount ur partition
[03:46] <drew> Thunderguy, did you edit ur fstab?
[03:47] <rob^> tech, why would you want to do that?
[03:47] <tech> rob^, uh because i have packages that has depends that i dont have, but works fine
[03:47] <coralite> can I creat a dir for all my windows drives? if so how?
[03:47] <Thunderguy> Nah I didn't want to mount it all the time just for now to get some programs over and play media files.
[03:48] <robotgeek> coralite: one for each partition, only...mkdir
[03:48] <rob^> tech, have you got Universe/Multiverse repos enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[03:48] <drew> Thunderguy, edit ur fstab and just don't add the auto option
[03:48] <robotgeek> can we read write from ntfs drives?
[03:49] <Thunderguy> ah ok, thanks.
[03:49] <lamont> robotgeek: sup?
[03:49] <rob^> robotgeek, read yes write not reliably
[03:49] <coralite> what kind of dir?
[03:49] <drew> whenever I open up Mplayer, I get an error telling me: could not initialize video filters (-vf) or video output (-vo)
[03:49] <drew> anyone know how to fix it?
[03:49] <lamont> robotgeek: or did your op-summoning already get dealt with?
[03:49] <robotgeek> coralite: just create a directory
[03:49] <coralite> sorry, what kind of drive? is that dependent on my particular drve
[03:49] <robotgeek> lamont: nm
[03:50] <CarlFK> drew - how are you runing mplayer?
[03:50] <lamont> 'kl
[03:50] <lamont> ok,even
[03:50] <coralite> it asks what kind of fdrive
[03:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hmm can't find it anyone have any idea?
[03:50] <drew> CarlFK, I just click on a file to play it o_O   What exactly do you mean?
[03:50] <robotgeek> lamont: yeah, there was a brief *tiff* was going on. done with!
[03:50] <CarlFK> drew - what you said.  I open a shell and type mplayer foo.avi
[03:51] <Eighth> i'm looking for some help with gtk+ versions... anyone able to help?
[03:51] <robotgeek> coralite: just a ordinary directory
[03:52] <robotgeek> rob^: thanks
[03:52] <Harold> Afternoon from Los Angeles.
[03:52] <Harold> Anyone: Know of a good tool to encode MP3s?
[03:52] <drew> CarlFK, does that matter?
[03:52] <hybrid_goth> Harold: i *think* mencode does
[03:52] <coralite> whay is it asking me about sun disklabel?
[03:52] <coralite> sorry I am clueless. . .
[03:53] <Harold> hybrid_goth, Seems like a big package for such a small task...
[03:53] <Harold> hybrid_goth, Is lame still illegal?
[03:53] <hybrid_goth> Harold: does movies to
[03:53] <robotgeek> coralite...sorry, quit fdisk *without* writing anything
[03:53] <hybrid_goth> Harold: idk
[03:53] <coralite> done
[03:53] <Harold> hybrid_goth, Won't be doing movies on this old system...233MHz.
[03:53] <dougsk> Harold, I like grip, but I think sound juicer is the recommended program nowadays.
[03:53] <Harold> hybrid_goth, But you're on the right track.
[03:53] <hybrid_goth> thats why it is big tho
[03:54] <robotgeek> coralite: now create a directory with 'mkdir windows'
[03:54] <hybrid_goth> Harold: i think lame is in apt
[03:54] <Harold> dougsk, Do you know if sound juicer creates layer 2 *and* 3 MP3s?
[03:54] <hybrid_goth> abcde
[03:54] <hybrid_goth> ahha
[03:54] <Harold> hybrid_goth, Unfortunately, it's not anymore.
[03:54] <coralite> ok
[03:54] <hybrid_goth> i knew it
[03:54] <hybrid_goth> Harold: abcde
[03:54] <vader1102> wow!! I love all of this
[03:54] <robotgeek> sudo mount /dev/hda2 windows/
[03:54] <hybrid_goth> a better cd encoder
[03:54] <Harold> hybrid_goth, What's "abcde"?
[03:55] <hybrid_goth> a better cd encoder
[03:55] <dougsk> Harold, sound juicer doesn't create mp3's it will create ogg files
[03:55] <robotgeek> :)
[03:55] <hybrid_goth> i think it does mpegs
[03:55] <dougsk> hybrid_goth, well said
[03:55] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so any idea about that app guys?
[03:55] <hybrid_goth> dougsk: ty :)
[03:55] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i need it to play a joke on my girl
[03:55] <Madpilot> sound juicer will do OGG & FLAC
[03:55] <Harold> dougsk, Does anything create valid, every-player MP3s on Unix/Linux?
[03:55] <robotgeek> linpopup?
[03:55] <Harold> ChurcH_of_FoamY, How're ya?
[03:56] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> that may be it ^_^
[03:56] <robotgeek> wait...u mean u have a girlfriend!!
[03:56] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm fine you?
[03:56] <Harold> Madpilot, Hello
[03:56] <GammaRay> Harold: lame would ofcourse
[03:56] <Harold> robotgeek, Hello
[03:56] <dougsk> Harold, if you add universe a package like grip depends on things like lame to create mp3s.
[03:56] <robotgeek> Harold: hi
[03:56] <GammaRay> Harold: and yes lame still violates certain patents
[03:56] <Madpilot> hi Harold
[03:56] <Harold> dougsk, Any idea how to install lame alone?
[03:56] <kestas> anyone here got a basic grip on GDB?
[03:56] <Eighth> any ideas about gtk+?
[03:56] <hondje> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CDRipping <--- how to get sound juicer to rip mp3s
[03:56] <robotgeek> !info linpopup
[03:56] <ubotu> linpopup: (X Window System port of Winpopup, running over Samba), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 1.2.0-7 (hoary), Packaged size: 74 kB, Installed size: 336 kB
[03:56] <dougsk> Harold, lame, is often considered to be a very good mp3 encoder, except it's encumbered by software patents (even if lame is a rewrite from scratch)
[03:57] <hopeng> howdy, how to change the default resolution ?
[03:57] <hondje> !tell hopeng about resolution
[03:57] <Harold> dougsk, I dig lame, and am used to using it.  I forget how to install it on Linux, though...
[03:57] <dougsk> hopeng, going to a larger or smaller resolution?
[03:57] <dougsk> ubotu, restrictedformats
[03:57] <ubotu> rumour has it, restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[03:57] <hopeng> larger!
[03:57] <hondje> Harold: it's explained in the restricted formats wiki there
[03:57] <hopeng> larger
[03:57] <Harold> hondje, I'll check that out.
[03:58] <Harold> Everyone: It's funny; if you install Audacity on OS X, you're prompted to download/install lame.  Legally, I think.
[03:58] <deprave> what file are the font size/type for xterm kept in?
[03:58] <dougsk> hopeng, hrm, smaller is easier ;/  With that said from a terminal you could try sudo dpkg-reconfigure =p low xserver-xorg and tell it accrodingly
[03:59] <dougsk> oops should be -p rather than =p
[03:59] <Madpilot> "LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder" - what is it with open-source devs and their recursive acronyms, anyway? ;p
[03:59] <hopeng> dougsk, oops i mean smaller.. aka larger resolution
[03:59] <benplaut> i like them :P
[03:59] <hondje> Madpilot: it's an obessession
[03:59] <Harold> Madpilot, I know, huh?
[03:59] <Harold> Madpilot, Clever obsession.
[03:59] <Eighth> Madpilot: i happen to enjoy them :)
[03:59] <robotgeek> Hurd with Hird is the craziest out there!
[04:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hmm linpopup requires you to have it installed on a windows box as well
[04:00] <mejde> tried using a ntfs formated maxtor one touch II (external usb storage hd) with ubuntu yesterday... it worked but quite often when browsing and copying files the system would become unresponsive for up to a minute... anyone know what's up?
[04:00] <GammaRay> deprave: try /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/
[04:01] <robotgeek> mejde: using one right now, it's working fine for me
[04:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> any other ideas?
[04:01] <dougsk> hopeng, yah that's what I assumed.  Xrandr (demo at system->preferences->resolution) will go to smaller (numerically) resolutions.  By default X uses the largest numerical resoultion and I'm guessing your looking for more real estate instead of less?   iuf so that other command should work, assuming a larger resolution is supported on your monitor/card combo
[04:01] <mejde> robotgeek: oh...
[04:02] <robotgeek> mejde: do u have usb 1.1 / 2.0 ?
[04:02] <mejde>  perhaps I also should mention that the computer has usb1 and the cpu part of the system monitor applet showed almost 100% iowait
[04:03] <mejde> robotgeek: I guess you've got 2.0?
[04:03] <robotgeek> mejde: nope, 1.1 !
[04:03] <Eighth> how can i convince a ./configure that i have the latest gtk+?  it's askingn for 2.2.0 and i have 2.6.4-0ubuntu3
[04:03] <excalibur> does anyone know about wine?
[04:03] <dougsk> ChurcH_of_FoamY, linpopup requires winpopup on the other end, it's on the windows cd, not installed by default.  are you tinking of something like the 'net send' command?
[04:03] <excalibur> i need some help
[04:03] <mejde> robotgeek: weird
[04:03] <Davey> OK, I'm about to ditch ubuntu for WinXP right now :'(
[04:04] <Eighth> Davey: why?
[04:04] <robotgeek> Davey: hmm...why though?
[04:04] <Davey> Eighth, I'm entirely too pissed off at Ubuntu :/
[04:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> well i'm trying to use the windows messenging service on my network to spook the wify
[04:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kinda a joke
[04:04] <mejde> robotgeek: how is it formated?
[04:04] <excalibur> can someone help me with wine?
[04:04] <Davey> course, it was my fuck up, but dammit :/
[04:04] <Eighth> Davey: obviously... why?
[04:04] <excalibur> ?
[04:04] <Davey> Eighth, I can't .desktop files to work properly, they keep thinking they're scripts, even though they're only chmod +r
[04:05] <brnrdrgn> seems im not the only one humbled by linux :/
[04:05] <cute_bettong> so anyone know?
[04:05] <deprave> humbled?
[04:05] <robotgeek> coralite: did it work?
[04:05] <Davey> Eighth, I was trying to move my home directory to my external drive, apparently this is a bad idea
[04:05] <Davey> so now I'm dealing with the fallout of trying to rebuild it from a brand new user
[04:05] <coralite> no i tried it twice and everything locked up
[04:05] <brnrdrgn> gentoo laughed at me during the install
[04:05] <Davey> I have *some* files, but not all
[04:06] <Eighth> Davey: ouch... i feel your pain
[04:06] <deprave> gentoo has a retarded installation procedure (imo)
[04:06] <Davey> Eighth, its *really* screwed up, I can't get my Firefox or Thunderbird profiles back properly :/
[04:06] <Eighth> Davey: i lost all of my files the last time i reinstalled because i wasn't paying attention and wiped out my /home partition
[04:06] <excalibur> can anyone help me with the program wine?
[04:06] <Nate> anyone know of a way to make ubunty live work with my onboard ati xpress x200 and amd 64 3200+
[04:06] <Eighth> Davey: fortunately, i had a backup, but it was 4 months old
[04:06] <brnrdrgn> and now trying to get KDE on ubuntu but failing
[04:07] <deprave> ./j kubuntu
[04:07] <deprave> !
[04:07] <ubotu> No idea, deprave
[04:07] <Eighth> Davey: did your files copy over to the external?
[04:07] <deprave> the term troll is also retarded
[04:07] <deprave> who associated such a fine word with irc
[04:07] <Davey> Eighth, nope
[04:08] <Davey> Eighth, some did, some didn't
[04:08] <brnrdrgn> i type "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" but it says it cant find any packages
[04:08] <Davey> some got lost trying to transfer them back :/
[04:08] <Eighth> Davey: bummer :/ i don't suppose you had backups
[04:08] <Davey> Eighth, no, thats what the drive is for :/
[04:08] <Nate>  anyone know of a way to make ubunty live work with my onboard ati xpress x200 and amd 64 3200+?
[04:08] <robotgeek> hmm...i am making backups *right now*!
[04:08] <Mobius> Does anyone have a Linksys WRT54G router?
[04:08] <hopeng> im runnin autodecetion graphiccard for X Window, mine is geforce fx 5200, any suggestion on selection? cause i can't find any "gforce"
[04:09] <brnrdrgn> i got the kubuntu disc but it stalls at the part where it checks the battery
[04:09] <deprave> mbbius: is that the one with 802.11b?
[04:09] <brnrdrgn> i have a linksys
[04:09] <brnrdrgn> g
[04:09] <Eighth> Davey: wish i could offer some help, but without backups, etc. the most i can offer is empathy :/
[04:09] <deprave> all linksys are pretty much the same anyways
[04:09] <robotgeek> lol
[04:10] <brnrdrgn> the wrt54g is highly customizable
[04:10] <thechitowncubs> i can vouch for that
[04:10] <Nate> ubuntu and kubuntu live CDs die right after starting gnome/kde, help!
[04:10] <Mobius> deprave - yeah..
[04:10] <Mobius> deprave - I can't run the "setup" CD because I don't have a windows machine to run it on =/
[04:10] <thr1ce> Nate: kill X and check the xorg log
[04:10] <deprave> Chambers-: why do you need to run the cd?
[04:11] <deprave> oops
[04:11] <Nate> thr1ce: computer locks right up, no mouse/keyboard
[04:11] <coralite> robotgeek, do you know why it would lock up and what else I cna try?
[04:11] <thr1ce> Nate: ctrl alt backspace won't kill X ?
[04:11] <deprave> mbbius : why do you need to run the cd?
[04:11] <Nate> nope
[04:11] <dougsk> Mobius, https://192.168.1.1 username empty password admin iirc.
[04:11] <deprave> correct
[04:11] <Mobius> dougsk - it won't let me connect to that IP
[04:11] <Mobius> I tried
[04:11] <hondje> ctrl-alt-f1, log in, then 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop' will stop X
[04:12] <robotgeek> coralite: i dunno why it should freeze
[04:12] <deprave> check your networking, reset the router too
[04:12] <vader1102> what do I do toeject a cd from the command prompt?
[04:12] <deprave> have you used the router before?
[04:12] <dougsk> Mobius, try without the s in https otherwise try the reset button
[04:12] <robotgeek> coralite: is that why you had to quit?
[04:12] <thr1ce> deprave: eject /dev/cdrom
[04:12] <Nate> it locks during 'ubuntu' splash
[04:12] <robotgeek> vader1102: eject
[04:12] <Mobius> ahuman01, okay. I will give the secure connection a shot
[04:12] <coralite> yes
[04:12] <Nate> or right after kubuntu background loads
[04:12] <Eighth> Mobius: try that same address with user:admin pass:admin
[04:12] <deprave> thr1ce : ps aux | grep *what the hell are you talking about*
[04:12] <Nate> i have mouse and keyboard for a bit, but then it locks
[04:13] <Eighth> anyone willing/able to help me with some gtk issues?
[04:13] <robotgeek> coralite: weird, but that is not supposed to happen!
[04:13] <thr1ce> deprave: what the hell are YOU talking about ?
[04:13] <coralite> would it lock up If I had mistakenly tried tomount my lin drive to the win dir?
[04:13] <vader1102> ty that worked
[04:13] <deprave> dude
[04:13] <coralite> I have a few drives and I coulda gotten confused
 deprave: eject /dev/cdrom
[04:13] <deprave> o.O
[04:13] <brnrdrgn> let's all get macs :P
[04:13] <thr1ce> deprave: wrong person -_-
[04:13] <deprave> oh
[04:13] <deprave> heheh
[04:14] <robotgeek> brnrdrgn: i am on one!
[04:14] <deprave> damn nick completion
[04:14] <thr1ce> :)
[04:14] <brnrdrgn> me too
[04:14] <vader1102> bbs, got to go to the store. Derned stuff I got to do
[04:14] <brnrdrgn> using this peecee to at least a linux distro with KDE running
[04:14] <brnrdrgn> *use
[04:15] <robotgeek> coralite: where did you mount your drive?
[04:15] <deprave> thr1ce : i thought you were commenting on my taste of music, then got creaped out trying to figure out how you knew i was listening to tory amos
[04:15] <Eighth> gee tee kay... helpness
[04:15] <brnrdrgn> ?
[04:15] <thr1ce> deprave: haha, nope; someone asked how to eject a cdrom from command; sorry for my laziness =|
[04:15] <Eighth> deprave: eep.. eject /dev/cdrom :P
[04:15] <deprave> lol
[04:15] <deprave> haha
[04:16] <deprave> yeah i wouldn't listen to that crap
[04:16] <deprave> i'm actualy listening to the american beauty sound track
[04:16] <deprave> ohhh nice
[04:16] <deprave> homework?
[04:16] <Eighth> demon days
[04:16] <Eighth> :)
[04:16] <dougsk> hopeng, did you win?
[04:16] <Eighth> err.. human after all
[04:16] <icn_> did bob take over the channel
[04:16] <Eighth> demon days is gorillaz.. just finished listening to that one
[04:17] <hopeng> when i pressed the system-updatemanager it says "error your system has broken packages"
[04:17] <hopeng> dougsk, im not :)
[04:17] <deprave> that's a good cd eh? i should snag it
[04:17] <brnrdrgn> yechh human after all was crap compared to the previous albums
[04:17] <robotgeek> hopeng: hoary/breezy?
[04:17] <coralite> robotgeek: i mounted it to windows/
[04:17] <hopeng> hoary
[04:17] <icn_> WinDOzE
[04:17] <brnrdrgn> hmm windows
[04:17] <icn_> how much does ubuntu cost
[04:17] <Eighth> demon days: awesome   human after all: not the best, but good nonetheless
[04:17] <brnrdrgn> free
[04:17] <deprave> lol
[04:17] <icn_> how can anything be free
[04:17] <icn_> there has to be a catch
[04:18] <brnrdrgn> bittorrent ;)
[04:18] <deprave> there is a catch
[04:18] <Eighth> icn_: you have to pay for the internet connection to download it
[04:18] <Eighth> or pay shipping for a cd
[04:18] <deprave> ubuntu packages HIV with their distro
[04:18] <icn_> are they installing it onto your computer and then at the stroke of midnight at 2010 your computer will turn against you?
[04:18] <Eighth> rofl
[04:18] <brnrdrgn> heh
[04:18] <robotgeek> coralite: hmm, i dunno why it should hang up...weird, but i would try it again :)
[04:18] <Eighth> icn_: it's 2011... everyone knows that
[04:18] <hopeng> my resolution is limietd to 1024, im 1152 guy
[04:18] <Mobius> no luck with the router =/
[04:18] <deprave> icn_: no it will take your DVD player and pawn it for crack
[04:18] <Eighth> Mobius: are you able to log into it?
[04:18] <thr1ce> icn_: they will mail you a CD install for free, and pay shipping if you'd like
[04:19] <brnrdrgn> $5 cant get you much crack anyway
[04:19] <Mobius> Eighth - nope, connection refused
[04:19] <icn_> why are they so nice as to send you a cd at their cost
[04:19] <coralite> can you tell m how to list my drives again so i can double check the name?
[04:19] <robotgeek> hopeng: you want to use a 1152 x 768?
[04:19] <icn_> no one is that nice
[04:19] <Eighth> did you try logging in with admin:admin?
[04:19] <icn_> there has to be a secret motive
[04:19] <hopeng> robotgeek, yes tell me
[04:19] <thr1ce> icn_: to spread opensource :)
[04:19] <robotgeek> icn_: really...
[04:19] <deprave> (hiv)
[04:19] <thr1ce> shipit.ubuntu.com
[04:19] <Mobius> noah, can't even see the login prompt
[04:19] <icn_> i think the ceo of ubuntu is up to something
[04:19] <icn_> but isnt going to admit it
[04:19] <deprave> lol
[04:19] <thr1ce> yeah, he is
[04:19] <hopeng> do i really ahve to reinstall ubuntu, bkoz i have broken packages, said by the update manager
[04:19] <icn_> i think he's doing it to score some chicks
[04:20] <robotgeek> hopeng: it's on the ubuntu wiki
[04:20] <DonL> icn, go to the main website and read about it
[04:20] <deprave> haha
[04:20] <Eighth> Mobius: interesting... this is a wireless router, right? and it hasn't been configured previouslY?
[04:20] <dougsk> icn_, yeah this should explain the catch http://dc5video.debian.net/2005-07-14/02-Ubuntu_Talk-Mark_Shuttleworth.mpeg
[04:20] <deprave> Chambers-: fresh out of the box or whatr?
[04:20] <Mobius> wireless/wired - yeah, just opened the box
[04:20] <deprave> dude
[04:20] <thr1ce> icn_: it's not only is ubuntu free...almost all linux distros you will find are!
[04:20] <robotgeek> hopeng:  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31094 ..look for it here, slow wireless
[04:20] <deprave> Mobius: fresh out of the box?
[04:20] <Eighth> Mobius: dumb questioN: are you wired into it? or wireless?
[04:20] <Mobius> wired
[04:20] <brnrdrgn> the default address for a linksys router is 192.168.0.1 - name is left blank - password is admin
[04:20] <Mobius> fresh
[04:21] <Eighth> bizarre...
[04:21] <Mobius> 0.1?
[04:21] <brnrdrgn> yep
[04:21] <Eighth> brnrdrgn: typically, they default to 1.1 when they're wireless
[04:21] <deprave> maybe you patched one of the cables in the wrong port
[04:21] <deprave> like the uplink porn?
[04:21] <deprave> LOL
[04:21] <deprave> port
[04:21] <deprave> *mind in gutter*
[04:21] <Eighth> rofl
[04:21] <icn_> yea but the other distros dont ship you cds for free
[04:21] <Mobius> lol
[04:21] <robotgeek> lol
[04:21] <Eighth> deprave: what color was freud's slip, anyway?
[04:21] <icn_> its like walking around handing people 5 bucks
[04:21] <thr1ce> icn_: it takes a couple months to get there though
[04:21] <icn_> do you know what an african can do with 5 bucks
[04:21] <robotgeek> icn_: that why ubuntu is extra nice
[04:21] <deprave> it was levender
[04:21] <icn_> he should send his free money to those guys
[04:22] <brnrdrgn> and you need to be connected via a ethernet cable to change the router's settings
[04:22] <icn_> 5 bucks pays for all your food in china
[04:22] <Eighth> deprave: that's my theory
[04:22] <robotgeek> icn_: it's his money
[04:22] <icn_> for a month
[04:22] <icn_> GIVE IT TO THE PEOPLE
[04:22] <icn_> BUY RICE
[04:22] <Mobius> I suppose I can try 0.1
[04:22] <robotgeek> icn_: please don't do that!
[04:22] <HerdsmanMarengo> what's the path for lynx?
[04:22] <DonL> icn, he supports people in Africa in different ways
[04:22] <robotgeek> icn_: #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:22] <deprave> heh i've had this book i rented from the library called Why Freud was wrong and i haven't read a lick of it
[04:22] <Eighth> HerdsmanMarengo: "which lynx"
[04:23] <icn_> is firefox better than ie
[04:23] <HerdsmanMarengo> default lynx?
[04:23] <brnrdrgn> yes
[04:23] <brnrdrgn> never use IE
[04:23] <deprave> IE is crap
[04:23] <HerdsmanMarengo> Warning: lynx not found in PATH
[04:23] <HerdsmanMarengo> Where is your lynx program? [] 
[04:23] <robotgeek> icn_: yeah, mostly
[04:23] <Eighth> HerdsmanMarengo: sorry.. lemme clarify.. "which" is the command to find a path to a program
[04:23] <deprave> lynx is better than IE
[04:23] <robotgeek> HerdsmanMarengo: dumb question, do u have it installed?
[04:23] <Eighth> so typing "which lynx" should tell you where it is
[04:23] <Mobius> brb, wish me luck
[04:23] <HerdsmanMarengo> heh thanks
[04:23] <brnrdrgn> ?
[04:23] <deprave> if doesn't work beat the router a bit
[04:23] <deprave> doh
[04:24] <HerdsmanMarengo> and robotgeek dunno
[04:24] <hopeng> on the installation, when ubuntu says we have to 'look other packages' screen, i didnt choose anythin, is this why i have broken packages now ?
[04:24] <robotgeek> HerdsmanMarengo: sudo apt-get install lynx
[04:24] <lancer285> is there a program for graphically installing a .deb I've downloaded?
[04:25] <deprave> i think app manager will do it
[04:25] <robotgeek> lancer285: not that i know of, but dpkg -i whatever.deb shud do it
[04:25] <lancer285> okay, tank
[04:25] <deprave> like in applications/system
[04:25] <deprave> lol
[04:26] <Eighth> in fact, i'm trying to install expocity and i keep getting "gtk+-2.0 not found"
[04:26] <deprave> apparently i peed in my room mates shoe last night in spite of him
[04:26] <brnrdrgn> question - how do i manually, more like forcefully, install KDE on ubuntu?
[04:26] <thr1ce> brnrdrgn: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:26] <robotgeek> brnrdrgn: -f
[04:26] <deprave> what's expocity?
[04:26] <Eighth> i have gtk+-2.6.4-0ubuntu3 installed
[04:26] <D1> does anyone have any trouble printing google maps from ubuntu?
[04:26] <brnrdrgn> no packages found
[04:26] <D1> like the line that guides to your destination?
[04:27] <thr1ce> check into extra repositories
[04:27] <Eighth> expocity is a linux implementation of osX's expose
[04:27] <lancer285> how do I tell synaptic to install a .deb?
[04:27] <Eighth> allows for better window management/organization
[04:27] <Eighth> with hotkeys for moving/isolating windows
[04:27] <deprave> interesting
[04:27] <brnrdrgn> Expose > expocity :-D
[04:27] <hajiki> lancer285, dpkg
[04:28] <deprave> hmmm
[04:28] <Eighth> one hotkey will clear all windows except those of the current program (great for gIMP
[04:28] <lancer285> its not working
[04:28] <deprave> on the cd?
[04:28] <flugh> thr1ce, i tried the install kubuntu-desktop thing. how about a 'force apt to reinstall kubuntu because my default kde desktop got broke trying to install kubuntu' suggestion? :)
[04:28] <Eighth> not on the cd.. i snagged it from it creators' site and i can't get its ./configure to realize that my gtk+ is modern
[04:28] <deprave> i'm on aol dialup, i should download large numbers of stuff
[04:28] <robotgeek> lancer285: what u trying to install?
[04:29] <brnrdrgn> yes
[04:29] <brnrdrgn> get lots o warez
[04:29] <thr1ce> flugh: how did it break ?
[04:29] <flugh> thing if i just rm -rf ~/.kde that might get the crud out of the way
[04:29] <brnrdrgn> and lots o virii
[04:29] <hajiki> what is dial up
[04:29] <thr1ce> flugh: that will rid of your settings, and restart kde fresh as if you just installed it
[04:29] <Eighth> hajiki: ignorance is bliss :P
[04:29] <deprave> <---captain aol 0day
[04:29] <hajiki> Eighth, hehe
[04:29] <flugh> thr1ce, kde didn't 'break', it's just not looking like the kubuntu live cd desktop. it's very nice, polished. my 'real' install has busted fonts, ugly
[04:30] <deprave> virii, on linux? *gasp*
[04:30] <thr1ce> flugh: sure...you could rid of .kde and start fresh
[04:30] <flugh> thr1ce, not a kubuntu 'problem', just my not knowing how to get to the nice default i really like in the live cd :)
[04:30] <brnrdrgn> thats like getting a healthy meal at mcdonalds
[04:30] <Eighth> so are there any ideas on how to convince ./configure that i have a new gtk+?
[04:30] <linuxpoet> o.k. could someone explain how ubuntu won't allow me to upgrade my kernel?
[04:30] <flugh> i'm burning the live dvd right now. will boot it up here in a bit and see what's what
[04:30] <linuxpoet> Everything installs correctly
[04:30] <robotgeek> Eighth: ./configure --help
[04:30] <linuxpoet> the menu.lst is correct
[04:30] <linuxpoet> but no matter what Ubuntu only shows the old kernels for selection on boot
[04:31] <brnrdrgn> linuxpoet: it needs the sargeants authorization :P
[04:31] <flugh> thr1ce, i'll toss that to #kbuntu though if i don't figure stuff out :)
[04:31] <linuxpoet> And how would I go about getting that done
[04:31] <flugh> thr1ce, (just realized i was in the wrong channel. DOH!)
[04:31] <thr1ce> flugh: hehe
[04:32] <LinuxJones> linuxpoet, your compiled your own kernel ?
[04:32] <linuxpoet> no
[04:32] <flugh> hehe, just asked how to configure my sound in #idiotbuntu
[04:32] <Eighth> robotgeek: i see nothing about gtk in the help message
[04:32] <linuxpoet> I used apt-get
[04:32] <LinuxJones> linuxpoet, you re-booted and it doesn't whow up in the list ?
[04:32] <linuxpoet> that is correct
[04:32] <LinuxJones> err show >:{
[04:32] <linuxpoet> menu.lst has it
[04:33] <linuxpoet> but it does NOT show up in the grub menu on reboot
[04:33] <arenner> I want a program to be run during everyboot. Anybody know an easy way to do this?
[04:33] <flugh> linuxpoet, sure there isn't a misleading symlink? like mixing up a grub.conf for menu.lst?
[04:33] <icn_> use local
[04:34] <linuxpoet> there isn't a grub.conf
[04:34] <icn_> is gentoo or ubuntu the largest irc channel
[04:34] <linuxpoet> gento
[04:34] <rob^> arenner, system -> preferences -> sessions
[04:34] <hopeng> gentoo is to be honest
[04:34] <LinuxJones> linuxpoet, the syntax might  be wrong for it in the menu.lst file... can you post the menu.lst to pastebin.ca ?
[04:34] <rob^> arenner, that is the simplest way
[04:34] <linuxpoet> you bet
[04:35] <linuxpoet> one moment
[04:35] <icn_> why do gentoo users use irc but redhat users dont
[04:35] <icn_> although redhat users outnumber gentoo users
[04:35] <Eighth> robotgeek: any other ideas?
[04:35] <flugh> redhat users get free access to redhat.aol.com?
[04:35] <hopeng> is the new installed ubuntu have shortcuts to other ide ?
[04:36] <thr1ce> icn_: redhat quit being updated awhile ago
[04:36] <ccc> anyone using the ontv panel applet with xmltv?
[04:36] <brnrdrgn> i get this when i run apt-get - http://data.4chan.org/b/src/1122690681428.png
[04:36] <linuxpoet> http://pastebin.ca/18826
[04:36] <linuxpoet> Linuxjones
[04:37] <icn_> i currenty have three gentoo machines which used to be debian machines
[04:37] <thr1ce> brnrdrgn: that's not what we told you
[04:37] <icn_> one of the hard drives crashed last week
[04:37] <icn_> trying to decide which distro to put it on it
[04:37] <thr1ce> brnrdrgn: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:37] <brnrdrgn> thats the first thing i typed
[04:38] <robotgeek_> what do i see on the topic, backports official??
[04:38] <HerdsmanMarengo> brnrdrgn:  enable all your reposatories
[04:38] <HerdsmanMarengo> atelast i think...
[04:38] <HerdsmanMarengo> atleast*
[04:39] <brnrdrgn> how exactly?
[04:39] <brnrdrgn> because that ijnfo is not in the FAQ
[04:39] <LinuxJones> linuxpoet, omg you have like 20 kernels installed ????
[04:39] <brnrdrgn> -j
[04:39] <rob^> robotgeek_, yes thats correct
[04:39] <linuxpoet> actually there is a lot of duplicates in there
[04:39] <HerdsmanMarengo> system -> admin -> synaptic pacakge manager
[04:39] <linuxpoet> I think I have 6
[04:40] <thr1ce> so...will adding backports screw up upgrad-ability?
[04:40] <rob^> robotgeek_, its on an official server though, you need to change your sources.list
[04:40] <webby> hi
[04:40] <rob^> thr1ce, no not if you add the official one
[04:40] <Eighth> robotgeek: any other ideas about my gtk probleM?
[04:40] <HerdsmanMarengo> brnrdrgn: then settings -> reposotories
[04:40] <robotgeek_> rob^: what exactly does the backports provide?
[04:40] <thr1ce> neat :)
[04:40] <webby> How do I install programs on linux?
[04:40] <digitize> i just installed ubuntu, all is going fine except.... i can't play mp3 files, what library should i add?
[04:40] <rob^> robotgeek_, packages not availble to horay that are in breezy
[04:40] <thr1ce> robotgeek_: updated versions of popular packages...such as firefox, gimp, gaim, etc.
[04:41] <webby> I just installs ubuntu too
[04:41] <robotgeek_> Eighth: nope
[04:41] <brnrdrgn> ok
[04:41] <thr1ce> digitize: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[04:41] <Eighth> blast
[04:41] <digitize> webby: http://ubuntuguide.org/ has alot of info
[04:41] <digitize> thr1ce: ty
[04:41] <webby> Ok Thanks
[04:41] <rob^> !ubuntuguide
[04:41] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[04:41] <Eighth> perhaps i'll throw it up on the ubuntu forums
[04:41] <robotgeek_> rob^, thr1ce : even network-manager?
[04:41] <j_fletcher> ubuntuguide's repositories can be dodgey
[04:41] <thr1ce> robotgeek_: dunno...check it out :)
[04:41] <LinuxJones> linuxpoet, dude you have 2.4 kernels installed ....and that was way before Ubuntu was every even realized :D
[04:41] <linuxpoet> Linuxjones any thoughts?
[04:42] <linuxpoet> I am dying to get shfs running but can't until I can boot new kernels
[04:42] <linuxpoet> LinuxJones: the 2.4 kernel is part of the xen package, they aren't used
[04:42] <robotgeek_> okay..a list is present on the backports url?
[04:42] <rob^> robotgeek_, I dont think thats in there
[04:42] <linuxpoet> They just come as one big package
[04:42] <robotgeek_> rob^: ah thanks...
[04:42] <linuxpoet> xen rocks btw
[04:42] <thr1ce> hm...
[04:43] <LinuxJones> linuxpoet, I don't know what xen is.
[04:43] <thr1ce> any official announcement other than a forum about official backport support ?
[04:43] <brnrdrgn> like that? - http://data.4chan.org/b/src/1122691086441.png
[04:43] <rob^> thr1ce, not that I know of
[04:43] <hopeng> can i look my windows folder? i want to play mp3
[04:43] <ahvargas> anyone knows how to install ubuntu over a lan?
[04:43] <rob^> thr1ce, I have spoken to several people, its all good
[04:43] <thr1ce> ok
[04:43] <icn_> u get a cable taht is at least 6 feet long that is blue
[04:43] <icn_> then you type install -lan
[04:43] <linuxpoet> Think vmware but fast
[04:43] <deprave> is there a MSN messenger for ubuntu?
[04:44] <rob^> thr1ce, I doubt there will be one
[04:44] <thr1ce> deprave: gaim
[04:44] <robotgeek_> deprave: gaim
[04:44] <thr1ce> hm...
[04:44] <Eighth> icn_: the gray ones work almost equally well
[04:44] <Eighth> i'm a personal fan of the yellow ones
[04:44] <deprave> some irc chick wants to show me her boobies, will gaim do this?
[04:44] <robotgeek_> lol
[04:44] <thr1ce> will backports packs interfere with hoary updates?
[04:44] <thr1ce> i don't see this working out too well
[04:44] <rob^> thr1ce, no
[04:44] <Eighth> deprave: i'll write a plugin so it can
[04:44] <linuxpoet> I got to be honest I have never seen a problem like this and I have been using Linux for over 10 years
[04:44] <Eighth> gimme five minutes
[04:44] <deprave> awesome
[04:44] <robotgeek_> deprave: lol!!
[04:45] <rob^> the official backports are tested and supported by the Ubuntu devel team
[04:45] <icn_> does each ubuntu developer make 1million per year
[04:45] <rob^> well, maybe not tested..
[04:45] <thr1ce> icn_: nope; they make NOTHING
[04:45] <thr1ce> all free
[04:45] <rob^> but they are recognised and supported
[04:45] <icn_> what does the 10 million go to then
[04:45] <rob^> icn_, not likely
[04:45] <LinuxJones> linuxpoet, if you boot to another kernel does the problem follow you ?
[04:45] <Fizile> ice cream machine.
[04:45] <deprave> wtf gaim is for aol
[04:45] <poningru> icn_: its not all used up
[04:46] <icn_> is it a publicity stunt
[04:46] <hondje> gaim is for everything
[04:46] <thr1ce> rob^: just curious if gaim gets updated in hoary for security (version 1.1.4), and 1.4.0 is sitting in backports
[04:46] <poningru> deprave: g aim DUH
[04:46] <LinuxJones> icn_, umm no
[04:46] <poningru> rofl
[04:46] <Marble2> what's the command to pull DNS info about a domain/ip ?
[04:46] <icn_> that amount of money does draw a lot of attention
[04:46] <deprave> i wonder if that guy got his router working
[04:46] <rob^> thr1ce, apt-get will install the most up to date package, no matter where it comes from unless you spesify differently in /etc/apt/preferences
[04:46] <poningru> Marble2: whois
[04:46] <rob_p> Marble2:  dig
[04:46] <LinuxJones> icn_ bandwidth and infrastructure cost money
[04:46] <Marble2> thanks
[04:46] <poningru> oh maybe thats it
[04:46] <linuxpoet> linuxjones that is the problem
[04:47] <linuxpoet> I can't boot to another kernel
[04:47] <icn_> distros like slackware survive without that kind of funding
[04:47] <icn_> and they have a huge userbase too
[04:47] <linuxpoet> at least not from the menu because they don't show up
[04:47] <icn_> still most likely larger than ubuntu is at right now
[04:47] <poningru> icn_: its not all used up
[04:47] <linuxpoet> I could probably do it by hand by editing the grub line from the grub shell
[04:47] <poningru> icn_: ubuntu has larger user base
[04:47] <hondje> slack gets plenty of donations
[04:47] <poningru> this is where all the noobs come in
[04:47] <hondje> I would be very surprised if ubuntu has a larger base
[04:47] <poningru> like me
[04:47] <thr1ce> icn_: i'm on slackware right now
[04:47] <hondje> slack is all over the place
[04:47] <icn_> my dad uses linspire
[04:48] <linuxpoet> I would be very surprised as well
[04:48] <icn_> i use windows x64
[04:48] <thr1ce> slack isn't all over the place
[04:48] <linuxpoet> Ubuntu is coming along quite nicely but Slackware is old school, it has years and years of people behind it
[04:48] <icn_> visual express is an amazing development tool
[04:48] <thr1ce> linuxpoet: and still more updated packs than ubuntu atm... ;)
[04:48] <phil> I'm curious, how newbie-friendly is Ubuntu?
[04:48] <rob^> slack and ubuntu have compleatly different goals
[04:48] <rob^> comparing the two is pointless
[04:48] <phil> I've suggested it to a complete linux newbie
[04:48] <icn_> im only comparing the relative size of their users
[04:48] <phil> I myself have never used it though...
[04:49] <LinuxJones> icn_, virtually nobody uses slackware anymore
[04:49] <icn_> and the fact that slackware doesnt have much funding
[04:49] <icn_> and survives without a foundation
[04:49] <hondje> what? Nobody?
[04:49] <Eighth> phil: i've gotten two complete newbs hooked on it
[04:49] <brnrdrgn> at least XP is more forgiving than linux
[04:49] <thr1ce> icn_: slackware has NO funding; it's all done by 1 man
[04:49] <rob^> ok, no one feed the troll
[04:49] <phil> Eighth, good to know
[04:49] <Madpilot> phil: direct them here, that's a huge help...
[04:49] <icn_> thats what i mean
[04:49] <icn_> but it can sustain itself
[04:49] <linuxpoet> any thoughts LinuxJones?
[04:49] <phil> well it's webby
[04:49] <linuxpoet> \
[04:49] <toad3030> i'm a complete noob at linux lol
[04:49] <phil> she tried installing windows longhorn and screwed some stuff up
[04:49] <toad3030> you saying that there is something better for me??
[04:49] <phil> so I told her to install linux, it's better :P
[04:49] <toad3030> if so pls let me know lol
[04:50] <phil> ubuntu is debian based right?
[04:50] <rob^> phil, yes
[04:50] <LinuxJones> hondje, compared to Debian/Redhat  derivatives nobody ueses anything else :)
[04:50] <phil> does it have apt-get?
[04:50] <rob^> phil, yes
[04:50] <phil> k, good, I have used debian a little... Xandros... :(
[04:50] <hondje> LinuxJones: You don't know what you're talking about
[04:50] <icn_> gentoo is honestly a waste of compile time
[04:50] <icn_> but im too lazy to swtitch
[04:51] <LinuxJones> hondje, please educate me
[04:51] <poningru> LinuxJones: basically things like slack arch etc
[04:51] <CVirus> why doesnt ubuntu provide updates to packages except with every new release ?
[04:51] <hondje> slack has a huge install base
[04:51] <poningru> are extremely popular among the high nerd community
[04:51] <CVirus> I mean package upgrades from version to version
[04:51] <hondje> Just because noobs are attracted to ubuntu this year doesn't mean that slack is somehow dying
[04:52] <thr1ce> CVirus: keep in mind you're using a STABLE release; that means bug fixes only
[04:52] <hondje> Saying otherwise is like saying *BSD is dying
[04:52] <poningru> hondje: never said it was dying
[04:52] <CVirus> thr1ce, isnt there a testing release ?
[04:52] <hondje> dying, disappearing, small and uncommon
[04:52] <rob^> CVirus, yes
[04:52] <poningru> all I said is that I am pretty sure that ubuntu has more user base
[04:52] <thr1ce> CVirus: yes; see the topic though?  DON'T USE BREEZY
[04:52] <hondje> slack has a giant install base
[04:52] <thr1ce> it's still very beta
[04:52] <thr1ce> gcc 4.0 and gnome beta should not be tested lol
[04:52] <poningru> hondje: that may be
[04:52] <deprave> jesus, MSN wants info on my first born just to get this damn passport
[04:52] <poningru> but I believe ubuntu is bigger
[04:53] <hondje> Maybe on the desktop
[04:53] <poningru> hondje: I thought thats what this discussion was about
[04:53] <hondje> Then I totally missed that part :)
[04:53] <poningru> well server is a whole another category
[04:53] <rob^> come on guys this is a help channel
[04:53] <poningru> sorry
[04:53] <LinuxJones> poningru, arch is based on slackware isn't it ?
[04:53] <rob^> #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:53] <robotgeek> hmm...this is not slashdot!
[04:53] <CVirus> whats the differene between apt-get and synaptic .. do they both use the same configuration files ?
[04:53] <poningru> LinuxJones: not sure but think so
[04:53] <rob^> CVirus, yes
[04:54] <thr1ce> LinuxJones: yes
[04:54] <CVirus> rob^, so whats the difference then ?
[04:54] <rob^> CVirus, one is graphical one is not
[04:54] <hondje> poningru icn_: ubuntu has larger user base hondje slack gets plenty of donations poningru this is where all the noobs come in <-- didn't see 'desktop' qualified in there
[04:54] <Madpilot> CVirus: Synaptic is a graphical front-end to apt.
[04:54] <thr1ce> CVirus: gui vs. cli ?
[04:54] <CVirus> thr1ce, cli ?
[04:54] <thr1ce> command?
[04:54] <hondje> I'm all about the assumptions
[04:54] <LinuxJones> poningru, read ^^
[04:54] <CVirus> oh
[04:54] <Madpilot> Command Line Interface
[04:54] <CVirus> thought it was TUI
[04:55] <CVirus> Terminal User INterface
[04:55] <CVirus> whatever
[04:55] <robotgeek> :)
[04:55] <CVirus> anywayz .. I hope I'll do like Ubuntu
[04:55] <poningru> hondje: I just assumed that noobs wouldnt be opening up there own server to serve up some mail or webpages
[04:55] <poningru> their*
[04:56] <poningru> yeah arch is not based on slack
[04:56] <poningru> its based on crux
[04:56] <thr1ce> no, it's not based on crux
[04:56] <chorton> Anyone wanna reccomend a ss taking util?
[04:56] <thr1ce> crux uses BSD ports
[04:56] <DonL> crux ? Isn't that the one Stallman is on about?
[04:57] <LinuxJones> poningru, so what is crux based on ?
[04:57] <hopeng> plz tell me good url explaining how to mount hda
[04:57] <thr1ce> crux is based on nothing
[04:57] <Razor-X> wow, Antimony was the guy who wrote the 100,000'th line on my #ubuntu log
[04:57] <thr1ce> hopeng: mount /dev/hda ?
[04:57] <poningru> crux is based on the linux kernel
[04:57] <poningru> hehe
[04:57] <poningru> sorry
[04:57] <webby> Hi, I'm just installed ubuntu and I have no sound at all
[04:57] <hopeng> real noob here
[04:57] <poningru> LinuxJones: its an old distro
[04:58] <hopeng> dont undertand yours
[04:58] <DonL> poningru, must be another one I'm thinking of
[04:58] <LinuxJones> poningru, which one, I am curious
[04:58] <thr1ce> crux is old?
[04:58] <thr1ce> no
[04:58] <LinuxJones> ;D
[04:58] <thr1ce> slackware is old
[04:58] <poningru> um
[04:58] <deprave> what's up with the plugin
[04:58] <webby> How do I get my sound back?
[04:58] <Razor-X> Slackware is still thrumming strong
[04:58] <DonL> ...got to go see Most Haunted. bye for now
[04:58] <robotgeek> nice, i never new that copy had update option
[04:58] <robotgeek> s/new/knew
[04:58] <thr1ce> slackware is still the most update distro around
[04:59] <poningru> http://sto.f2o.org/crux/wiki/
[04:59] <poningru> take a look at when it was last updated
[04:59] <hondje> freerock gnome is nice, too
[04:59] <hopeng> thr1ce, it returs error
[04:59] <deprave> slack was my first unix os
[04:59] <deprave> slack = my unix pubes
[04:59] <hopeng> thr1ce, can't find /dev/hda in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[04:59] <robotgeek> my first unix was OS X !
[04:59] <deprave> well you are clearly the cooler geek!
[05:00] <robotgeek> :) ...
[05:00] <deprave> =>
[05:00] <deprave> how's the router Mo
[05:00] <j_fletcher> mine was FreeBSD
[05:00] <Mobius> sheesh.. well, I took my brothers laptop (with windows) and ran that stupid CD..
[05:00] <deprave> the conversation is stale
[05:00] <deprave> jk
[05:00] <deprave> yah?
[05:01] <Mobius> and so now it works.. finally figured out that I had to remove the previously set DNS servers in ubuntu's networking setup..
[05:01] <Madpilot> !joke
[05:01] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, joke is Joke, v. i. L. jocari.   To do something for sport, or as a joke; to be merry in words   or actions; to jest. (1913 Webster)
[05:01] <deprave> hehe
[05:01] <robotgeek> it will be if u speak to yourself!
[05:02] <Mobius> anyone know why my laptopt takes forever to boot when the hard network cable isnt plugged in? it seems to hang on the network stage =/
[05:02] <CVirus> hmm
[05:02] <Madpilot> we'd had a real bout of total humourlessness on channel the night I wrote that ubotu entry...
[05:02] <Madpilot> ;)
[05:02] <robotgeek> Mobius: it's looking for network , ctrl +c it
[05:02] <Mobius> you can ctrl+c during boot?
[05:02] <robotgeek> Mobius: yeah :)
[05:02] <Mobius> awesome - thanks
[05:03] <Razor-X> CVirus: that's not Ubuntu's philosophy
[05:03] <CVirus> Razor-X, what is it then ?
[05:03] <Razor-X> that's Debian, and a host of other distro's philosophies
[05:03] <CVirus> Razor-X, what else other than Debian ?
[05:03] <Madpilot> damn, Muine just hung... how do I kill an app that's only in the background? (no windows, just the notification area icon...)
[05:03] <Razor-X> CVirus: most package-manager based distros are based on this philosophy
[05:04] <hopeng> [Q]  how to share the internet connection ?
[05:04] <thr1ce> deprave: don't ping people like that
[05:04] <CVirus> Razor-X, I guess fedora didnt do so
[05:04] <deprave> hot damn, someone warn me before i ping the channel
[05:04] <Razor-X> CVirus: yum
[05:04] <robotgeek> Madpilot: ps -ef | grep <appname> get the pid, kill -9 <appname>
[05:04] <CVirus> Razor-X, !
[05:04] <deprave> thr1ce: lol why not
[05:04] <CVirus> Razor-X, the fedora updates repository contains new versions of your current packages
[05:04] <windex|tvnsleep> Madpilot: alternatley killall -9 <name of binary>
[05:04] <Madpilot> which # is the PID in the grep results?
[05:05] <windex|tvnsleep> Madpilot: robotgeek's example needs the process id.
[05:05] <windex|tvnsleep> Madpilot: the first.
[05:05] <CVirus> Razor-X, I'm talking about ubuntu .. u have no new package version releases except every 6 months
[05:05] <robotgeek> sorry, yeah
[05:05] <thr1ce> CVirus: wrong
[05:05] <robotgeek> i meant to look up the pid and kill -9 <pid>
[05:05] <CVirus> thr1ce, I just read so
[05:05] <windex|tvnsleep> robotgeek: :)
[05:05] <thr1ce> CVirus: you should figure out what you're talking about before convincing people that DO know
[05:05] <CVirus> thr1ce, I read about this backport thingy
[05:05] <thr1ce> CVirus: ok
[05:05] <CVirus> !!
[05:05] <ubotu> from memory, ! is what u add before a sentence to talk to me
[05:05] <thr1ce> which...has updated packages that will run on your hoary install?
[05:06] <Madpilot> ok, that killed it. thnx all
[05:06] <rob^> CVirus, there is no need to enable it if you dont want those packages
[05:06] <rob^> by default the universe/multiverse repos are not enabled either
[05:07] <CVirus> rob^, IN fact I need to enable backports but I dont think that this is officialy supported ,, isnt it ?
[05:07] <rob^> it is
[05:07] <thr1ce> CVirus: read the otpic
[05:07] <Razor-X> Madpilot: my computer just spok your last statement ;)
[05:07] <chorton> Anyone wanna reccomend a ss taking util?
[05:08] <Razor-X> s/spok/spoke/
[05:08] <CVirus> thr1ce, stupid me :)
[05:08] <thr1ce> chorton: a terminal :)
[05:08] <chorton> Explain.
[05:09] <rob^> yes
[05:10] <thr1ce> man import
[05:10] <ilba7r> how can i change the font of qt application in gnome
[05:10] <Mobius> So what is this I hear about 3rd party firmware for linksys'
[05:10] <ilba7r> basically i have lyx and the fonts for the main menu is too large that it take the whole screen how can i reduce that
[05:10] <rob^> ilba7r, run the kde control center
[05:11] <rob^> ilba7r, change it with that
[05:11] <ilba7r> i do not have kde i have gnome rob^
[05:11] <rob^> ilba7r, yes, but thats how you change qt apps
[05:11] <ilba7r> so i have to install kde to do that
[05:11] <ilba7r> is there a package like gtk2-qt
[05:12] <rob^> ilba7r, I would talk to the people in #kubuntu about it
[05:12] <CVirus> does the backport repos. contains the upgrades for the packages found on the official CD only ?
[05:12] <rob^> CVirus, no
[05:12] <chavo> ilba7r, try qtconfig
[05:12] <ilba7r> thanx chavo
[05:12] <ilba7r> thanxrob
[05:12] <rob^> CVirus, it also contains apps not available also
[05:13] <phil> what is the gui package manager in ubuntu called?
[05:13] <rob^> phil, synaptic
[05:13] <phil> thanks
[05:13] <CVirus> rob^, I need something that explains every hoary-**** thingy ... hoary-backports, hoary-extras, ... etc
[05:14] <CVirus> rob^, a link or sumthin'
[05:14] <rob^> hang on..
[05:14] <thr1ce> !wiki
[05:14] <CVirus> hangin' on
[05:14] <rob^> CVirus, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Repositories
[05:14] <deprave> gramma funk!
[05:14] <thr1ce> !guide
[05:14] <ubotu> thr1ce: Bugger all, i dunno
[05:14] <rob^> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:14] <Razor-X> woo hoo, we're gonna start a podcast ;)
[05:14] <CVirus> rob^, thanks fella
[05:14] <rob^> np
[05:14] <Razor-X> but, a special podcast, so I won't say how it's special
[05:15] <rob^> CVirus, also have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation
[05:15] <m0unds> hfdjhf
[05:15] <tha_gamemaster> how do i change Xs default resolution from the console?
[05:15] <CVirus> rob^, but those doesnt contain what I want
[05:15] <PrimoTurbo> How do I add a wastebasket to my desktop?
[05:15] <poningru> we are
[05:16] <poningru> Razor-X: where?
[05:16] <CVirus> I want something that explains each of hoary-extras, hoary-backport, ... etc
[05:16] <thr1ce> tha_gamemaster: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:16] <PrimoTurbo> Does anyone know how I can add a launcher/link to the wastebasket on the desktop
[05:16] <CVirus> rob^, I mean what each repos. contains and other info
[05:16] <ilba7r> works like a charm thanx again chavo
[05:16] <rob^> http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[05:16] <Razor-X> poningru: hmmm?
[05:16] <thr1ce> PrimoTurbo: it's probably already in the very bottom right hand corner
[05:16] <Razor-X> poningru: not you, we ;)
[05:16] <chavo> no problem :)
[05:16] <tha_gamemaster> thr1ce, use sudo right ?
[05:16] <Razor-X> me and hybrid_goth
[05:16] <thr1ce> tha_gamemaster: yes
[05:17] <PrimoTurbo> yes I know, I removed it and I don't need it there I don't use it much but I want it on the desktop instead
[05:17] <tha_gamemaster> thr1ce, thanks!
[05:17] <PrimoTurbo> I'm trying to customize the look
[05:18] <PrimoTurbo> Any idea guys?
[05:18] <PrimoTurbo> I just want the wastebasket on desktop is all
[05:19] <deprave> drag it
[05:19] <poningru> Razor-X: I want in
[05:19] <stian> could not load "libGL.so" ? What is wrong?
[05:19] <PrimoTurbo> Doesn't work
[05:19] <poningru> I can host one
[05:19] <PrimoTurbo> I tried to drag it
[05:19] <PrimoTurbo> here is my current desktop
[05:19] <PrimoTurbo> http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/9531/screenshot5mq.png
[05:20] <linuxpoet> Linuxjones
[05:20] <linuxpoet> you want to know something really freaky about my problem
[05:20] <Mobius> Anyone here successfuly using ipw2200?
[05:20] <linuxpoet> The kernel that boots
[05:20] <linuxpoet> IS NOT on the filesystem, at least not findable by find
[05:21] <robotgeek> linuxpoet: AFAIK, /boot
[05:21] <hopeng> is there any editor in linux that sounds like 'quatra' ? i forgot
[05:22] <psychonate> yeah, I believe so, like for html and such?
[05:22] <linuxpoet> Yes I know
[05:22] <linuxpoet> BUt it isn't there
[05:22] <linuxpoet> it is very weird
[05:22] <linuxpoet> I think it hasn't something to do with a borked raid config
[05:22] <robotgeek> it's very very weird!!
[05:22] <arbir> hey bob2
[05:23] <psychonate> hopeng, Quanta maybe? http://quanta.kdewebdev.org/
[05:23] <hopeng> aye! thx
[05:23] <psychonate> np
[05:23] <hopeng> can it be istalled to ubuntu ?
[05:23] <thr1ce> quanta is a very old term
[05:23] <thr1ce> kdewebdev is what it's called now
[05:24] <psychonate> I only used it once, and it was quanta at that time, so that's what I recognized
[05:24] <hopeng> psychonate, can ubuntu shares its internet connection ?
[05:24] <robotgeek> quanta plus??
[05:24] <Razor-X> everyone: http://www.sosdg.org/~razorx/totalpwnage.wav
[05:24] <psychonate> hopeng, should be able to
[05:24] <poningru> good job
[05:25] <poningru> a .wav
[05:25] <hopeng> psychonate, with what ?
[05:25] <Razor-X> poningru: a 48 kb one
[05:25] <psychonate> maybe a second LAN card? I dunno personally because I've never had to do it.
[05:25] <psychonate> I just use a router
[05:26] <poningru> dude cant you put it out as an ogg
[05:26] <silas> hi all
[05:26] <poningru> flac prefered
[05:26] <robotgeek> Razor-X: wth? it just says total pawnage
[05:26] <Razor-X> poningru: does it matter?
[05:26] <poningru> vorbis would do
[05:26] <poningru> yes
[05:26] <Razor-X> robotgeek: exactly ;)
[05:26] <ubuntu> /part
[05:26] <Razor-X> total pwnage
[05:26] <hopeng> psychonate,  yes i have 2nd LAN card. but can't find the 'share this connection' button on ubuntu
[05:26] <m0unds> gah
[05:26] <psychonate> er, who said Quanta Plus was an old term?
[05:26] <NoHope> hey, how get qmake from apt-get?
[05:26] <psychonate> It's the title of their webpage even
[05:26] <Razor-X> that's how I sound XD
[05:27] <poningru> wtf
[05:27] <poningru> Razor-X: I thought you said podcast
[05:27] <thr1ce> psychonate: well, quanta was the term used for the old kde 3.2 pack of webdev
[05:27] <hopeng> i think quanta is for kde, any good webdev editor on ubuntu ?
[05:27] <thr1ce> quanta was sort of a meta name; never heard of quanta-plus
[05:27] <robotgeek> Razor-X: of course, you might be interested in the Gutenberg project, they have computers read out the whole book
[05:28] <nalioth> hopeng: quanta will work in ubuntu
[05:28] <nalioth> hopeng: also nvu, bluefish are available
[05:28] <psychonate> hopeng, bluefish might be useful for you
[05:28] <hopeng> tq !
[05:28] <psychonate> oh, nalioth > psychonate
[05:29] <Madpilot> hopeng: try Screem, it's in the repos. i like it a bit more that Bluefish
[05:29] <hopeng> Madpilot, what is repos ?
[05:29] <psychonate> He was having trouble finding one, now he's going to have trouble choosing one heh
[05:29] <vader1102> Madpilot what is that used for?
[05:30] <Razor-X> robotgeek: hmmm
[05:30] <Razor-X> robotgeek: is it better pronunciation than what i'm using?
[05:30] <Madpilot> !repos
[05:30] <ubotu> somebody said repos was at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:30] <Madpilot> hopeng: repositories are where you install Ubuntu's app from, basically
[05:30] <thr1ce> download the app from
[05:31] <hopeng> Madpilot, cant find it
[05:31] <Madpilot> vader1102: sorry, what is what used for?
[05:31] <vader1102> screem
[05:31] <Fizile> alright so ive got some ebooks saved in .txt format
[05:31] <Fizile> is there a good looking way to display them on the comp so i could read them easliy?  gedit is pretty harsh on the eyes for that kind of thing
[05:31] <vader1102> never mind found out
[05:32] <psychonate> Fizile, maybe use a word processor from an office suite?
[05:32] <psychonate> like abiword or the OOffice writer
[05:32] <Madpilot> d*mn... which repository is Screem in, someone?
[05:32] <vader1102> I just did a search and found it
[05:33] <Fizile> installing abiword
[05:33] <psychonate> I'm not sure if that'll necessarily make it easier on the eyes though
[05:33] <vader1102> Fizzle: I use that ALL of the time
[05:33] <m0unds> great.
[05:33] <Fizile> vader1102, for ebooks? does it work out pretty well?
[05:33] <Fizile> im just looking for a good alternative to microsoft reader
[05:33] <Madpilot> hopeng: do you have all of Ubuntu's repositories enabled?
[05:34] <vader1102> works good, but I use it for more of the word processing
[05:34] <Dr_Fate> FF is slow to spawn new windows
[05:34] <Razor-X> LaTeX is my word processor ;)
[05:34] <Fizile> i'll give it a whirl
[05:34] <Fizile> Razor-X, what do you use to read ebooks?
[05:34] <Fizile> if anything
[05:34] <Sammi_> Abiword isn't the best thing for editing, though. The text cursor-thingie (dunno the name) has screwy alignment.
[05:34] <Nitsu> hi
[05:35] <Razor-X> KPDF
[05:35] <psychonate> I tend to use OOffice Writer for word proccessing. It doesn't look as nice as abiword, but it works better for me.
[05:35] <Razor-X> and KDVI
[05:35] <Sammi_> At least, it did when I used it.
[05:35] <vader1102> Razor-X: I have never tried Latex
[05:35] <Nitsu> ive been having trouble installing limewire
[05:35] <Nitsu> can anyone help?
[05:35] <Razor-X> Sammi_: do I know you? ;)
[05:35] <Sammi_> Yes, you do.
[05:35] <psychonate> Nitsu, have java installed?
[05:35] <Razor-X> vader1102: it's awesome once you learn it, your docs come out beautiful
[05:35] <nalioth> Nitsu: gtk-gnutella performs the same actions without the java bloat
[05:35] <j_fletcher> Nitsu: www.ubuntuguide.org -- follow that guide
[05:35] <Nitsu> i dont know
[05:35] <Razor-X> Sammi_: cool, I haven't seen you around in a while 's all
[05:35] <Madpilot> !java
[05:35] <ubotu> from memory, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[05:36] <j_fletcher> if not: sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[05:36] <nalioth> j_fletcher: please dont blindly advise the ubuntuguide
[05:36] <Nitsu> wher do i get gtk gnutellaP?
[05:36] <Razor-X> !ubuntuguide
[05:36] <ubotu> I guess ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[05:36] <vader1102> Razor-X: I will try it when I get my external drive, only 6 gig here
[05:36] <Razor-X> vader1102: ouch
[05:36] <j_fletcher> nalioth: it gives a good guide to installing limewire, not just "apt-get install", actually has more than 2 lines for it
[05:36] <vader1102> uh hu lol
[05:36] <Razor-X> this thing is a 5 GB partition
[05:36] <j_fletcher> makes it simple too
[05:37] <nalioth> j_fletcher: i only advised not to "blindly" advise the guide
[05:37] <Razor-X> vader1102: plus, LaTeX has the advantage of being converted to almost every documentation format on Earth
[05:37] <j_fletcher> mm, i aint English, I dont really get what you mean.. sry nalioth.
[05:37] <vader1102> ok
[05:38] <Razor-X> I also use emacs-info to read my info files, which is technically documentation (info, I mean)
[05:38] <Madpilot> Razor-X: what's the basic LaTeX package for Ubuntu? There's a horde of stuff in Synaptic...
[05:38] <Razor-X> Madpilot: sudo aptitude install tetex
[05:39] <hopeng> Madpilot, i am learning respository now
[05:39] <Razor-X> tetex-base is the very basic package
[05:39] <hopeng> i found the Screem!
[05:40] <vader1102> Razor-X: I will definately give it a whirl when I get a bigger drive
[05:41] <Razor-X> vader1102: like I said, it's awesome
[05:41] <Fizile> after using the  "sudo aptitude install tetex" where can i find the program?
[05:41] <Razor-X> you can look at some sample documents
[05:41] <vader1102> Razor-X: I will look at them when I aint drinkin lol
[05:41] <Razor-X> Fizile: you write a document in LaTeX then compile using latex foo.tex
[05:41] <hondje> Fizile: just to make life easier, you have to compile the documents
[05:41] <hondje> KDE has a nice front end, 'kile', makes it easier to get started with
[05:42] <Razor-X> hondje: KDVI is incredible
[05:42] <hondje> but unless you're writing giant papers or doing math/physics, it's not worth it :)
[05:42] <Razor-X> it supercedes xgdvi in all ways
[05:42] <hondje> kdvi is nice
[05:42] <Razor-X> s/supercedes/supersedes/
[05:42] <hondje> the important thing is that it works :)
[05:43] <cs378> si have a newbie question, my processor is P M which is i686, but the kernel version is 2.6.10-5-386 for i386, thats fine right?
[05:43] <thr1ce> cs378: it'll work, of course
[05:43] <hondje> cs378: unless you have a lot of ram, it's okay
[05:43] <thr1ce> cs378: but you could use the i686 too
[05:43] <Razor-X> cs378: yes, it is
[05:43] <thr1ce> alot meaning like over 2 gigs
[05:43] <cs378> oh ok
[05:43] <hondje> -686 supports a gig+ of ram
[05:43] <cs378> thx u both
[05:43] <thr1ce> 386 supports a gig of ram too
[05:43] <hondje> I think -386 only goes up to like, one gig or something
[05:44] <hondje> 686 cries on this one, so I use 386 and there's no real difference :)
[05:44] <cs378> err i don even have a gig of ram
[05:44] <cs378> lol
[05:44] <hondje> cs378: then its' fine :) If it bugs you, just 'sudo apt-get install linux-686' and it'll add that one for you :)
[05:45] <hopeng> is there any repos for internet sharing ?
[05:45] <hondje> hopeng: no need :) iptables does it all
[05:45] <hondje> hopeng: 'firestarter' is a nice frontend for iptables, it allows you to set it up
[05:46] <Fizile> is there a how-to for getting acquanted with latex, im shooting in the dark here
[05:46] <hopeng> at last someone answered my sharing question
[05:46] <hopeng> thx hondje
[05:46] <hondje> You're welcome, hopeng
[05:47] <jet_> could anybody tell me, when the built-in VNC in ubuntu is enabled, what is the command I type to log onto my computer remotely? I thought to put in the browser  http://youripaddress:5800 but that doesn't seem to work
[05:47] <hondje> just out of odd curiosity, how does one set up windows to do nat?
[05:48] <hondje> does that built in firewall they added do it?
[05:48] <jet_> you enable "internet sharing" I think, it's in XP-PRO not home I think
[05:48] <hondje> oh
[05:49] <hondje> and VNC, fwiw
[05:49] <nalioth> hondje: windows has some broken attempt at "Internet Connection Sharing"
[05:49] <hondje> I just use xdmcp over ssh tunnel
[05:49] <hondje> nalioth: that's a shame, you'd think there'd be a bigger demand for it
[05:50] <hondje> oh hey, I can write a wikipage on using xdmcp! Someone might even actually use it
[05:50] <nalioth> hondje: ICS is only in demand if you are running a 2-nicced windows box
[05:50] <jet_> hmm, so can it work over a browser?
[05:51] <jet_> "xdmcp over ssh tunnel" - sounds complicated...
[05:52] <hondje> jet_: Nope, if I can do it it's not hard :) The downside is that you need two computers with gdm to do it
[05:52] <nalioth> i dont even know what xdmcp is, but vnc over ssh is cake
[05:52] <hondje> basically it lets me log into my computer from work, and vice versa, with the remote gdm screen and everything
[05:53] <hondje> nothing too fancy, like 4 buttons in one of the capplets and settin up the tunnel :)
[05:53] <hopeng> hondje, i cant find firestarter
[05:53] <hondje> hopeng: Do you have universe repositories enabled?
[05:54] <firebird619> I have tried to install a few different programs on Ubuntu and I get this error. configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[05:54] <firebird619> See `config.log' for more details. What can I do to fix this problem? Can anyone help me?
[05:54] <hondje> nalioth: system-> admin -> login screen is where the settings are
[05:54] <hopeng> hondje, ubuntu 5.04 sec udpates (binary) , ubuntu 5.04 "hoary heedgehot" (binary), ubuntu 5.04 updates (binaru)
[05:54] <drcode> hi all
[05:55] <hopeng> hondje, how to add the universal ?
[05:55] <hondje> firebird619: do you have gcc installed? 'which gcc' would tell you
[05:55] <drcode> if I Have installl linux in vmware
[05:55] <hondje> !tell hopeng about repositories
[05:55] <drcode> can I run some emultor that will enable 3d acclartor?
[05:55] <hondje> hopeng: just follow the instructions on that link, and then you can install firestarter ;0
[05:55] <hopeng> lol this bot is funny
[05:55] <hondje> :)
[05:55] <hopeng> thx again ur so kind person
[05:55] <hondje> Not a problem
[05:56] <firebird619> hondje: Yes, gcc is installed. According to Synaptic it is version 4:3.3.5-1
[05:56] <hopeng> ill give u problem one day :p
[05:56] <drcode> i mean is there 3d acclartor emulator in linux?
[05:56] <hondje> firebird619: hrm...any useful error messages in config.log?
[05:56] <hopeng> !tell hopeng about firestarter
[05:56] <Randall64> drcode: Mesa does it all in hardware w/o a hardware driver.
[05:57] <drcode> mesa
[05:57] <Randall64> err, software
[05:57] <drcode> I can use apt-get?
[05:57] <Randall64> drcode: What are you doing?
[05:57] <deprave> good torrent program on ubuntu?
[05:57] <Sammi_> Bitorrent is included. It's decent.
[05:57] <deprave> whuchu talkin about willis
[05:58] <deprave> whats the binary
[05:58] <dr_willis> Talking 'bout my  Genneration!!!
[05:58] <dr_willis> :P
[05:58] <drcode> I run ubunutu under linux
[05:58] <psychonate> I rather like bittornado.
[05:58] <Sammi_> I don't know if they have Bitcomet for Linux. I use that on Windows.
[05:58] <drcode> my problem is that there is no 3d acclartor support
[05:58] <Randall64> drcode: with xen?
[05:58] <drcode> so I thote there is some emulator that can give 3d support?
[05:58] <drcode> what is xen?
[05:58] <psychonate> drcode, what card do you have?
[05:59] <drcode> I have geforce 5200
[05:59] <psychonate> ...
[05:59] <drcode> it support 3d
[05:59] <psychonate> drcode, you need to install the nvidia drivers
[05:59] <drcode> but linux gust under vmware dosnt support
[05:59] <firebird619> hondje: There are a few lines that say the failed program was. These errors are spread out within the config.log file
[05:59] <drcode> I cant bcz ubunutu is installed under vmware
[05:59] <hopeng> hondje, can ubuntu displays 1152 * 768 res ?
[05:59] <hondje> firebird619: hrm, I don't know then, I haven't seen a sanity check fail in a long time
[06:00] <hondje> hondje: if your monitor can, yes
[06:00] <hopeng> hondje, my monitor can do it in windoze.. it cant in ubuntu
[06:00] <hondje> !tell hopeng about resolution
[06:00] <hondje> :-D
[06:00] <vader1102> mine can in Windows but in ubuntu, the best I can get is 800x600
[06:00] <hondje> !tell vader1102  about resolution
[06:01] <robotgeek> hopeng: yeah, it can...i'm running off 1152 x 768
[06:01] <hopeng> LOLL
[06:01] <hondje> voila!
[06:01] <hopeng> vader another victim
[06:01] <hondje> anyone else have resolution problems :)
[06:01] <MobileJess> what program would i download to control my cpu frequency?
[06:01] <hopeng> !tell anyone about resolution
[06:01] <robotgeek> hopeng: did u not find the howto on the wiki?
[06:01] <firebird619> hondje: If I posted the contents of the file to Pastebin could you maybe tell that is causing this error. If I should post it to Pastebin, what is the Web site for the Pastebin.
[06:01] <hopeng> hondje, can't find firestarter in universal repos
[06:01] <Madpilot> hopeng: ubotu isn't going to work with that, happily...
[06:01] <robotgeek> !pastebin
[06:01] <ubotu> [pastebin]  at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[06:01] <hondje> firebird619: I could give it a shot
[06:02] <hopeng> robotgeek, i acnt find my geforece fx 5200 on that list
[06:02] <firebird619> hondje:  OK thanks. I will post it
[06:02] <hondje> I have a geforce 5200
[06:02] <hondje> works fine ;-)
[06:02] <robotgeek> hopeng: i thought it was independent of the card
[06:02] <hondje> The thing is 'usually' setting the VertRefresh and HorizSync values in the 'monitor' section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:03] <Carwash> hello
[06:03] <hondje> maybe 80% of the time, or adding the modelines
[06:03] <robotgeek> it worked for me, first time!
[06:03] <firebird619> hondje: There are 1128 lines in that file. Should I just past the parts where it gives the errors or do you need the entire document.
[06:04] <MobileJess> what program would i download to control my cpu frequency?
[06:04] <Carwash> This guy is giving me these computers that act as a servers at job ... like 10 boxes. Now, I'm wonderig if its normal boxes or mounted computers on a rack. Anyone know?
[06:04] <flugh> bah, just paste the whole line to the channel. we need something to b*tch about ;)
[06:04] <webby> Hi, Can someone help me with the link to install programs? I lost it
[06:04] <robotgeek> hopeneg, DisplaySize 302 203 # 1152x768 96dpi
[06:04] <Madpilot> my xorg.conf doesn't even have vrefresh or Horizsynch entries - but I've had no display trouble, so I'm not touching anything...
[06:04] <nalioth> Carwash: could be either
[06:04] <hondje> firebird619: just the errors, and a few before/after them :)
[06:05] <Carwash> ok
[06:06] <robotgeek> hopeng: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/824 hth
[06:06] <robotgeek> just look at the monitor section,and the screen section
[06:07] <hopeng> thx robot, im searching vert & horz Hz on googel now
[06:07] <hondje> hopeng: easier way is 'sudo ddcprobe | grep monitorrange
[06:08] <ubuntu__> morning
[06:08] <hopeng> aha thx got it
[06:08] <something_else> okay, I dont know what to pinpoint the blame towards, however, it seems whenever I attempt to download something on irc, after a period of time, the download speed automatically decreases. However, downloading a file say with wget, the same does not occur
[06:08] <panda> aaah thats better
[06:09] <hopeng> monitorrange: 30-71, 50-160
[06:09] <hopeng>  <-- which one is hor , which one is ver ?
[06:10] <hondje> first is horiz, second is vert
[06:11] <MobileJess> hey, i need a program that will let me manually adjust the cpu scaling on my laptop, what would i get?
[06:11] <robotgeek> cpufreqd?
[06:11] <MobileJess> a graphical program
[06:11] <Dr_Fate> FF is slow to spawn new windows
[06:11] <liz4rd> same here
[06:12] <robotgeek> there's an applet in the gnome panel
[06:12] <robotgeek> right click -> add to panel
[06:12] <firebird619> hondje: I posted the errors. I put a few spaces to separate each error. They were spread out in the file.
[06:12] <MobileJess> robotgeek, i use KDE
[06:12] <drcode> any one install mesa?
[06:13] <drcode> what I Need to download?
[06:13] <drcode> apt-get install mesag3?
[06:13] <liz4rd> people still use mesa?
[06:13] <robotgeek> MobileJess: i use openbox, i dunno!
[06:13] <hondje> okay, what's the link firebird619 ?
[06:13] <drcode> liz4: I want to try it inside my vmware ubuntu guest
[06:13] <firebird619> hondje: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/825
[06:13] <drcode> how I Install it?
[06:13] <liz4rd> drcode, ah ok
[06:14] <liz4rd> suo apt-get mesag3
[06:14] <liz4rd> in a term
[06:14] <liz4rd> sudo*
[06:14] <drcode> mesag3 = mesa 3d acclartor?
[06:14] <liz4rd> i think :/
[06:15] <drcode> k
[06:15] <drcode> then I Need to config somthing in xorg?
[06:15] <drcode> or it will be auto?
[06:15] <firebird619> hondje: The errors I pasted are from the config.log file from when I tried to install the program LiVES however I get the same /lib/cpp error in Terminal when I tried to install Gimp and a few other programs
[06:15] <liz4rd> not sure...when i installed the nvidia drivers it was auto
[06:15] <drcode> k
[06:16] <drcode> thanx
[06:16] <nothingsometing> can someone please help me
[06:16] <drcode> I will log off to try it
[06:16] <drcode> thanx
[06:16] <hondje> firebird619: any reason you're building them from source, btw? :)
[06:16] <nothingsometing> i'm haveing some dificulties
[06:16] <liz4rd> just ask the question ^_^
[06:16] <Cody`> Can anyone help me with my mouse problem? The mouse moves, but it goes all over uncontrolably
[06:16] <hondje> firebird619: did you install the build-essential package?
[06:17] <liz4rd> lol when i first install ubuntu i always do dist-upgrade and build-essential first :D
[06:18] <firebird619> hondje: I guess that is what I must of downloaded is the source code. I didn't see any other files except source, but I could of missed something. I did not install the build-essential package. Is that something I can install from Synaptic or where do I get that from?
[06:18] <nothingsometing> i nees some help with samba and i am a first time user, i've found out aot about it but i still haven't found out hoe to make users
[06:18] <firebird619> hondje: I see it in Synaptic. Do I need to install it?
[06:18] <nothingsometing> it's just for a really small 3 computer network
[06:19] <nothingsometing> just acessingmy files
[06:19] <hondje> firebird619: yes, looks like g++ isn't being found
[06:19] <hondje> firebird619: if your'e really just gung ho about building gimp, it's easier to use apt (unless it's a version thing or something'
[06:20] <hondje> firebird619: sudo apt-get build-dep <package> installs all the dependancies, then 'sudo apt-get source -b <package> downloads and build the debs
[06:20] <Cody`> mega netsplit
[06:20] <firebird619> hondje: Ok, I will try installing that and see what happens. I have dial-up so it may take a little time. No, no specific version of gimp. The version I was trying to install was 2.3.1
[06:20] <liz4rd> fucknode is falling apart agian
[06:22] <Cody`> Can anyone help me with my mouse problem? The mouse moves, but it goes all over uncontrolably
[06:22] <EruditeHermit> Cody`: xset m 0.5
[06:23] <EruditeHermit> Cody`: you can experiment with values to slow down/speed up your mouse
[06:23] <Cody`> no
[06:23] <Cody`> IE
[06:24] <Cody`> the mouse
[06:24] <Cody`> moves all over
[06:24] <Cody`> whether mouse is moved up or down
[06:24] <liz4rd> fluxbox hates ubuntu...i know it...anyone els notice how slow it is...or is it just me?
[06:24] <Cody`> may go to side, down or up
[06:24] <Cody`> it just stays in one area and moves around in it
[06:24] <Cody`> it will drag across the screen fine
[06:24] <Cody`> then go back to where it was before
[06:25] <_4strO> mIRC v6.14 Khaled Mardam-Bey
[06:25] <EruditeHermit> Cody`: odd
[06:25] <EruditeHermit> never seen that before
[06:25] <Cody`> I use a ps2 wireless mouse
[06:26] <dr_willis> hmm
[06:26] <jazzanova> hi
[06:26] <jazzanova> trying to play a dvd
[06:26] <Cody`> let me guess? Won't play?
[06:26] <jazzanova> :)
[06:27] <Cody`> one word
[06:27] <Cody`> xine
[06:27] <jazzanova> i was using totem
[06:27] <liz4rd> kaffeine
[06:27] <jazzanova> it came with ubuntu
[06:27] <liz4rd> vlc
[06:27] <jazzanova> it is swapping
[06:27] <Cody`> vlc is good too :)
[06:27] <liz4rd> :D
[06:27] <muk_amd64> hiya
[06:28] <jazzanova> i have pentuium 3 with 128mb ram
[06:28] <fortran01> jazzanova: what's the error?
[06:28] <muk_amd64> I just installed ubuntu on my little brother's computer, but it won't boot into Xorg
[06:28] <firebird619> hondje: Do I use that method you typed to me for getting the build-essential package and dependancies. I tried typing that and I get an error. E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[06:28] <firebird619> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[06:28] <jazzanova> can it play dnd ?
[06:28] <jazzanova> dvd
[06:28] <vader1102> what is the yahoo free web space called again?
[06:28] <muk_amd64> what do I need to do to get Xorg installed and running
[06:28] <muk_amd64> ?
[06:28] <liz4rd> efing movie wont unrar...what kinda dumbshit passwords a publicly downloadable rar file...but no you have to sing up on ther forum post..THEN get a password...is there any rar brute forcers our there for linux ? :D
[06:28] <liz4rd> sign*
[06:28] <fortran01> muk_amd64: try an Ubunty liveCD and compare /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:28] <jazzanova> not sure what is the error, it said attem.ptin to retrieve css keys. then later, don't know how to handle video/mpeg
[06:29] <muk_amd64> fortran01: kk
[06:29] <Cody`> so should I post my mouse issue on the ubuntu forums?
[06:29] <fortran01> jazzanova: have you installed libdvdcss?
[06:29] <liz4rd> any xfce4 people, say w00t!
[06:29] <jazzanova> i have
[06:29] <muk_amd64> liz4rd: w00t
[06:29] <liz4rd> word :D
[06:29] <fortran01> Cody`: yeah it would be nice so other people can see
[06:29] <fortran01> ass-kicking xfce4!
[06:30] <liz4rd> :P
[06:30] <liz4rd> it runs faster than flux
[06:30] <liz4rd> XD
[06:30] <fortran01> liz4rd: yeah
[06:30] <firebird619> hondje: My mistake. I still had Synaptic up. Thats what caused those errors.
[06:30] <muk_amd64> fortran01: xorg looks fine
[06:30] <liz4rd> but, i compiled the new version..but how do i get thge toys installed for it ? :(
[06:30] <Luna-Tick> Hey guys, anyone know how to get Gaim's irc-helper plugin for the Ubuntu Gaim?
[06:30] <hondje> firebird619: wow, wouldn't have ever guess :)
[06:30] <muk_amd64> xorg.conf anyways
[06:31] <nalioth> anybody know if pc3200 can run at 2700?
[06:31] <fortran01> muk_amd64: try looking at your X log at /var/log/
[06:31] <muk_amd64> kk
[06:32] <muk_amd64> umm
[06:32] <fortran01> muk_amd64: most errors are device in nature. if you can use X in Ubuntu liveCD, you just have to copy that xorg.conf
[06:32] <muk_amd64> there is no log for X in /var/log
[06:33] <fortran01> muk_amd64: it looks like Xorg.0.log in /var/log/
[06:33] <muk_amd64> yeah, not there, heh
[06:33] <firebird619> hondje: I have ran the commands you told me to use. It is completed downloading, building, etc. Now do I try installing LiVES again?
[06:33] <muk_amd64> what's the keyword to install Xorg, I'll try that
[06:34] <manav> anyone know how to get engage working in gnome? all I get is a grey bar
[06:34] <fortran01> muk_amd64: you dont have the xorg.conf in /etc/X11/ ?
[06:34] <muk_amd64> xorg.conf is there, yeah
[06:34] <nalioth> hondje: you here?
[06:34] <fortran01> muk_amd64: are you running the liveCD now?
[06:34] <muk_amd64> no
[06:35] <fortran01> muk_amd64: run the liveCD first, peek at xorg.conf then copy it to your installation
[06:35] <muk_amd64> don't have livecd :(
[06:35] <muk_amd64> just this install cd out of a magazine
[06:35] <jazzanova> i am getting no volume in xine, video works
[06:35] <davey> !backports
[06:36] <ubotu> hmm... backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[06:36] <fortran01> muk_amd64: you can download any liveCD, knoppix ubuntu that is how I do it
[06:36] <muk_amd64> ah, k
[06:36] <liz4rd> wow am i ever bored
[06:36] <fortran01> or you can identify your video card, search it at google, look for similarities
[06:36] <liz4rd> what sites do you guys normally go to alot ?
[06:36] <liz4rd> :P
[06:37] <fortran01> muk_amd64:
[06:37] <Fizile> =\
[06:37] <muk_amd64> I think  I just have a messed up install dvd
[06:38] <muk_amd64> cause I've used it before and never had all this trouble
[06:38] <davey> where can I get the nautilus-terminal-* package (where * is something I forgot :)
[06:38] <liz4rd> lol
[06:38] <davey> Cody`, tried FUDForum? :)
[06:38] <liz4rd> i havnt tryed it yet but, dontoyu have to pay for it?
[06:38] <davey> Cody`, pfft, can't beat Ilia ;)
[06:39] <Cody`> this freaking mouse this is getting on my nerves
[06:39] <liz4rd> lol
[06:39] <jazzanova> guys, xine shows the video, audio is not working. mp3s play without a problem
[06:39] <Cody`> jazzanova
[06:39] <liz4rd> i cant get xine to install :P
[06:39] <Cody`> I had same problem in SuSE
[06:39] <Cody`> and just screwed with it
[06:39] <liz4rd> says its old (which is true)
[06:39] <Cody`> it never worked
[06:39] <Cody`> next day
[06:39] <Cody`> started comp
[06:39] <Cody`> worked fine
[06:40] <jazzanova> there is a channel thing in xine
[06:40] <jazzanova> whatever that means.
[06:44] <webby> Can someone help me....
[06:44] <webby> I have no sound at all on my comp
[06:44] <webby> How do I get it back?
[06:45] <davey> webby, turn your speakers on?
[06:45] <webby> They're on
[06:45] <davey> OK, so what sound card do you have?
[06:45] <webby> It says that I have no sound device installed
[06:45] <webby> I have no idea
[06:45] <flugh> turn you computer on?
[06:45] <webby> I have a hp a1020n
[06:46] <davey> tried searching the forums?
[06:46] <webby> Yes
[06:46] <rajiv> BREAK BREAK...
[06:46] <jazzanova> Cody: maybe i need to kill some kind of sound server ?
[06:46] <webby> I had this problem before i installed linux ubuntu
[06:46] <webby> I thought it would go away once I installed linux
[06:46] <rajiv> help with MYSQLD freezing the boot process
[06:47] <cafuego> What, a sound card would magically appear?
[06:47] <rajiv> anybody?
[06:48] <rajiv> MYSQLD BOOT UP ISSUES
[06:48] <cafuego> rajiv: We're not blind.
[06:48] <rajiv> sorry abt that
[06:48] <rajiv> i will wait
[06:48] <cafuego> rajiv: Boot in safe mode, run the mysql script manually, see what is wrong.
[06:48] <rajiv> ok
[06:48] <rajiv> thats  a hint...
[06:49] <cafuego> that's what you should have thought to do all by yourself
[06:49] <rajiv> well..actually i loaded up knoppix
[06:49] <rajiv> and ran the mysqld
[06:49] <cafuego> Well, that may or may not have wrecked the databses.
[06:50] <nothingsometing> root#  testparm /etc/samba/smb.conf    can someone tell me what the #root means in theis command line
[06:50] <nothingsometing> this
[06:51] <cafuego> nothingsometing: It's the shell prompt; indicating the rest needs to run as root.
[06:51] <rajiv> thank you..i shall research further..
[06:52] <Luna-Tick> So - does anyone know how to get irc-helper working for Ubuntu?
[06:52] <Luna-Tick> (the gaim plugin)
[06:53] <Luna-Tick> It isn't in the repositories
[06:53] <nalioth> any system builders in here? can i substitute pc3200 for pc2700 ram?
[06:54] <Madpilot> nalioth: check your motherboard specs
[06:54] <cafuego> nothingsometing: Yes, it'll just ru nat slower speed.
[06:54] <cafuego> 'run at'
[06:55] <ironwolf_> where can I find howto connect a nokia cell phone on the cingular network to ubuntu to use as a network device?
[06:55] <cafuego> ironwolf_: GPRS?
[06:55] <nalioth> Madpilot: powermac dual 1.8
[06:56] <ironwolf_> cafuego: yes
[06:56] <drcode> hi all
[06:56] <Luna-Tick> Hi
[06:56] <Madpilot> nalioth: heh, don't know Mac hardware at all, sorry. google?
[06:56] <drcode> what is the diffrent between mesa and fglx?
[06:56] <nalioth> my question re ram is: will pc3200 'derate' or "slow down" and function like pc2700?
[06:56] <drcode> I need to run both?
[06:56] <Computer__Guru> Current song: 1.  D I G I T A L L Y - I M P O R T E D - Vocal Trance - a fusion of trance, dance, and chilling vocals together!
[06:56] <davidmccabe> Hi folks.
[06:56] <nalioth> Computer__Guru: that will be your ticket out of here
[06:56] <davidmccabe> In what package might I find gl.h? Or better yet, how would I find that out myself?
[06:56] <LiberalTugboat> hey
[06:57] <nothingsometing> cafuego: do oyu know samba
[06:57] <nothingsometing> you
[06:57] <cafuego> ironwolf_: Get the serial cable, set it up.  Google for the GPRS dialin number for you rprovider (Probably #1** or something) . Set up PPP and make it dial THAT number using your phone as modem.
[06:57] <cafuego> oh, wrong service
[06:58] <aru> does ubuntu have a specific time or cycle for updates, or is it just whenever they get one?
[06:58] <cafuego> nalioth: I'm 95% sure it will work just fine and pretend to be PC2700 ram.
[06:58] <Computer__Guru> every 6 months
[06:58] <nothingsometing> what are pam restrictions
[06:58] <ironwolf_> cafuego: got the serial cable, how do I set it up?
[06:58] <nalioth> Computer__Guru: if you keep showing song info, you get a free one
[06:58] <aru> Computer__Guru: updates, not releases
[06:58] <cafuego> ironwolf_: Google is yuor friend.
[06:58] <nalioth> cafuego: thats what i think, too, i'm just double  checking
[06:58] <Computer__Guru> oh heh
[06:59] <Madpilot> aru: updates as needed, I'm pretty sure
[06:59] <nalioth> cafuego: got a 1.8ghz DP powermac in the mail to me, and want to drop 4gb in it
[06:59] <cafuego> nalioth: Neet.
[06:59] <Cody`> what's the command to do a system wide update via apt-get?
[06:59] <nalioth> cafuego: my local frys has better deals (and more stock) of pc3200
[06:59] <aru> Cody`: I click the little update icon :)
[06:59] <Madpilot> nalioth: nice machine. running Ubuntu, I assume?
[06:59] <nalioth> Cody`: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:59] <Cody`> mouse doesn't work
[06:59] <ohad__> where can i search for packages to download to ubuntu?
[06:59] <Cody`> so I'm on a tty
[07:00] <nalioth> Madpilot: that is the aim, my friend. ubuntu on PPC
[07:00] <Computer__Guru> ohad__:  synaptic
[07:00] <ohad__> Computer__Guru, is that a web search?
[07:00] <LiberalTugboat> :)
[07:00] <Computer__Guru> ohad__:  no, it's ont he top bar on your screen
[07:01] <nalioth> ohad__: System > Administration > Synaptic Package Manager
[07:01] <Computer__Guru> yeah
[07:01] <Computer__Guru> what he said
[07:01] <ohad__> Computer__Guru, i am looking for something like apt-get.org
[07:01] <Computer__Guru> oh i dunno
[07:01] <nalioth> ohad__: packages.ubuntu.com
[07:01] <ohad__> nalioth, thnx
[07:01] <cafuego> Darwin imac 7.9.0 Darwin Kernel Version 7.9.0: Wed Mar 30 20:11:17 PST 2005; root:xnu/xnu-517.12.7.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC  Power Macintosh powerpc
[07:01] <Computer__Guru> for any package via synaptic, it tells you everything apt knows about the package
[07:02] <LiberalTugboat> ohad__, http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[07:02] <LiberalTugboat> that is the web site with all the package listings
[07:02] <LiberalTugboat> wow... im slow
[07:02] <Madpilot> cafuego: does your mother-in-law know this? ;)
[07:02] <cafuego> ohad__: /msg ubotu find <package>
[07:03] <cafuego> Madpilot: in theory, yes.
[07:03] <franlopez> hello, i have a question. i have installed ubuntu for the first time and have some troubles with my serial mouse. first, it didn't responded. i went to wiki and found a way to solve. it worked just fine. for THAT time only. when i booted after that, my mouse wasn't working and the configuration was like in the default mode (yo know, not on serial), i changed, rebooted, vut mouse now goes kinda crazy. what should i do?
[07:03] <Madpilot> in theory? that sounds... usefully vague...
[07:05] <jasmuz> franlopez: that is strange, rarisimo ch
[07:05] <nalioth> Madpilot: does any mother-in-law know truly what is goin on inside their Macs?
[07:06] <franlopez> i know, jasmuz... has anybody had an experience like that?
[07:06] <Madpilot> nalioth: heh... sounds like me trying to troubleshoot my stepmother's Win98 box - or worse, my aunt's Win98 box...
[07:07] <Madpilot> at least you've got a remote into the box...
[07:07] <jasmuz> franlopez: why are you still using serial mouse, is it an old pc?
[07:07] <nalioth> Madpilot: you keep cursing in here, you'll get a free ticket, too
[07:07] <franlopez> it's an old pc an argentinean economics do not help to buy a new one : )
[07:07] <franlopez> i really don't have an option
[07:08] <useruser_> franlopez: what was the solution from the wiki?
[07:08] <jasmuz> franlopez: did you try cleaning it up first, to see if that might be an issue?
[07:08] <Madpilot> nalioth: :) "Win98" isn't actually a curse word, you know...
[07:08] <franlopez> nope, because it works fine under windows
[07:08] <nalioth> Madpilot: there you go again, remember we are a multicultural channel here
[07:09] <franlopez> user: i had to change one line from the xorg.conf file, to the serial port (ttyS0)
[07:10] <Madpilot> nalioth: all right, all right. I'll stop mentioning "the OS that must not be named"...
[07:10] <hybrid_goth> lol
[07:10] <Fizile> anyway to convert a .txt to a .pdf?
[07:10] <HrdwrBoB> wow, serial mouse
[07:10] <nothingsometing> hellow someone can someone tell me how to do this command " find out If "certian command" is in your current operating system search path"
[07:10] <HrdwrBoB> nothingsometing: which command
[07:10] <dr_willis> Fizile,  that would be one UGLY pdf
[07:10] <HrdwrBoB> nothingsometing: that's the command line
[07:10] <jasmuz> nalioth: so WinXP, is a huge curse word?
[07:10] <nothingsometing> no
[07:10] <HrdwrBoB> Fizile: open the txt in openoffice
[07:10] <HrdwrBoB> Fizile: print to pdf
[07:10] <nalioth> Madpilot: i'm a practicing Cultist of Mac
[07:11] <Fizile> roger
[07:11] <useruser_> Fizile: you could print it from any app to a postscript file, then convert the ps
[07:11] <nothingsometing> "certian command -?
[07:11] <nalioth> jasmuz: did you say something? lol
[07:11] <nothingsometing> is that right
[07:11] <HrdwrBoB> nothingsometing: rin 'which program' where program is the name of the program
[07:11] <HrdwrBoB> it will tell you where the program is
[07:11] <nothingsometing> SWAT
[07:11] <justsam> franlopez: dmesg confirm that serial port works at boot?
[07:11] <nalioth> nothingsometing: <certain command> by itself will reveal itself to you
[07:11] <Madpilot> nalioth: I'll keep your religious sensitivities in mind
[07:12] <franlopez> justsman: what? (sorry, i guess i'm a newbie)
[07:12] <useruser_> nalioth: if <certain command> does something nasty, however...
[07:12] <nalioth> Madpilot: thank you very much, i'm very sensitive, you know. lol <snort>
[07:12] <nothingsometing> see i don't know if the document i am reading is for debian
[07:12] <franlopez> my mouse works under windows (on the same machine)
[07:12] <nothingsometing> hahaha
[07:12] <useruser_> franlopez: yes, that's not the point here
[07:12] <nothingsometing> but i'm sure they can do the same things just diffrent commands
[07:13] <nalioth> useruser_: one would hope there are no inherently nasty programs in one's path (not nasty w/o command suffixes, anyway)
[07:13] <justsam> franlopez: You can open a console session, type dmesg, and usually see what your system finds for hw at boot time.
[07:13] <useruser_> nalioth: indeed, one would hope so
[07:13] <Xyc0> How do I set up WPA wireless access on Ubuntu?
[07:13] <Fizile> how to convert postscript to pdf?
[07:13] <useruser_> Fizile: ps2pdf
[07:13] <HrdwrBoB> Fizile: ps2pdf file.ps file.pdf
[07:14] <Fizile> roger
[07:14] <franlopez> so, if i type that, i should see if my serial port is working when the sistem boots, right?
[07:14] <Razor-X> back
[07:15] <jmet> hello all
[07:15] <Xyc0> I am having alot of trouble setting up WPA on my laptop
[07:15] <hybrid_goth> wb Razor-X
[07:15] <justsam> franlopez: It's a starting point, yes. You may also want to look at modinfo to see if your serial port module is loaded after boot.
[07:15] <Fizile> looks pretty good
[07:16] <useruser_> franlopez: does the pointer move at all (randomly) when you move the mouse?
[07:16] <franlopez> oksy, i'll try that, wait me a second...
[07:16] <Fizile> going to convert my .txt after a little formatting to ps then to pdf and set my backround to just black, for a stylish ebook through pdf
[07:17] <useruser_> Fizile: sounds ghastly. have you investigated txt2latex or txt2tex?
[07:17] <franlopez> useruser: it moves (really super fast) to the bottom corner of the screen, and when i move it, something kinda flashes on the screen, or it sort of makes a click on the icon on the bottom left corner
[07:18] <Xyc0> Anyone here using WPA Encryption through linux?
[07:19] <useruser_> franlopez: ok. that seems to indicate that X is looking at the correct device and that the device is being recognized on boot, but that you've told X that it's the wrong sort of mouse
[07:19] <Fizile> hmm wish i knew there was txt2tex
[07:19] <useruser_> franlopez: try editing the X config file again
[07:19] <useruser_> Fizile: it's in my ~/bin ... i think google will find it
[07:19] <franlopez> and what should I change? as you're saying, the port seems to be correct
[07:19] <useruser_> franlopez: the protocol (from memory)
[07:20] <justsam> franlopez: following "USERUSER", it may simply be 'type' of mouse
[07:20] <Cody`> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=53045 ;) *plug*
[07:20] <deprave> I can't get files people try to send me via aim and irc dcc, any ideas?
[07:20] <Cody`> I want that fixed :P
[07:20] <franlopez> useruser: i'm not sure i'm understanding... wich line? (i dont really understand this whole thing)
[07:20] <useruser_> franlopez: i have a line like this:         Option          "Protocol"              "IntelliMouse"
[07:20] <deprave> I can't get files people try to send me via aim and irc dcc, i'm on aol dialup.
[07:21] <useruser_> try changing the part you have corresponding to "IntelliMouse" to.. something else
[07:21] <vladuz976> anybody here using reiserfs for /root ?
[07:21] <franlopez> and what should be that "something else" (sorry, i really have no idea what i'm doing)
[07:21] <useruser_> franlopez: this page may be helpful http://www.xfree86.org/4.1.0/mouse4.html
[07:21] <Xyc0> vladuz976: I do
[07:21] <vladuz976> Xyc0: working ok?
[07:22] <Xyc0> vladuz976: perfectly
[07:22] <useruser_> franlopez: try "Auto" and see if that works
[07:22] <vladuz976> Xyc0: i am just installing ubuntu, wanna try something new here
[07:22] <franlopez> thanks useruser, i'll see that page... and try "auto", as well
[07:22] <Xyc0> vladuz976: It's not really a huge difference
[07:22] <Cody`> franlopez: Same problem I'm having
[07:23] <vladuz976> Xyc0: from what i heard, it's better for lots of small files
[07:23] <Xyc0> vladuz976: Stick with EXT3, boot up is shorter
[07:23] <vladuz976> Xyc0: too late now
[07:23] <Xyc0> vladuz976: Small as in 1k and less
[07:23] <vladuz976> Xyc0: how much slowe is it
[07:23] <Xyc0> vladuz976: Not much, like i said not a huge difference
[07:24] <justsam> ok. Posting my own question. SBAWE-32 causes lockup after logon if
[07:24] <vladuz976> Xyc0: should be ok then i guess
[07:24] <franlopez> okay pepople, i'll try that now... if don't connect in a few minutes, it was succesfull (thanks for the atention, by the way, it's a great thing)
[07:24] <justsam> snd-sbawe is loaded on boot.
[07:25] <justsam> modprobe  snd-sbawe works, until attempt volume change or use mplayer or xmms
[07:26] <justsam> same config worked under Mandriva
[07:26] <anderson> hello,everyone
[07:27] <anderson> anyone know how to set "auto hibernate" when the power is below 5%
[07:27] <Fizile> txt2tex, is what im looking for here? http://ctan.unik.no/support/txt2tex/
[07:27] <foxiness> why i need to run any mono app with sudo ? "some time only once"
[07:28] <Xyc0> Can anyone help me set up WPA encryption for my wireless card?
[07:28] <useruser_> Fizile: probably
[07:29] <foxiness> http://www.gotmono.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=PROJECT;action=display;num=1117016899
[07:30] <Fizile> its a perl script, how would i get that to execute persay
[07:30] <nalioth> Fizile: either ./scriptname.pl or "perl scriptname.pl"
[07:33] <justsam> Can anyone help with a Soundblaster awe32 lockup on login?
[07:33] <Fizile> heh alright, how would i use this txt2tex perl script to turn my txt.. into tex
[07:34] <useruser_> Fizile: perl txt2tex --ec textfile.txt > textfile.tex; pdflatex testfile.tex
[07:39] <incon> X -configure doesnt seem to work in ubuntu i killed X and gdm and i cant get it to probe for my video and monitor settings :/
[07:39] <Cody`> anyone else want to give a go to my mouse problem?
[07:39] <incon> i have change my video card and monitor on this system how do i reconfigure X in ubuntu ?
[07:39] <jantan> hi alll
[07:39] <jantan> help pleace
[07:39] <jantan> help me pleace
[07:40] <hybrid_goth> incon: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver
[07:40] <Computer__Guru> wow im pretty bored
[07:40] <hybrid_goth> jantan: ask and dont flood
[07:40] <incon> hybrid_goth, thank you
[07:40] <jantan> ok iam sorry
[07:40] <hybrid_goth> incon: np
[07:40] <amg> ffg
[07:40] <amg> vvuflf
[07:41] <jantan> why my xmms not connect ?
[07:41] <incon> Package `xorg-xserver' is not installed and no info is available :/ (sorry for the paste)
[07:41] <amg> who cares
[07:41] <jantan> why my xmms not open song ?
[07:41] <amg> who cares
[07:41] <hybrid_goth> !ops amg
[07:41] <ubotu> hybrid_goth: Bugger all, i dunno
[07:41] <hybrid_goth> !ops
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[07:41] <incon> got it
[07:41] <incon> xserver-xorg
[07:42] <amg> how do you do
[07:42] <hybrid_goth> jantan: have the codecs?
[07:42] <hybrid_goth> !restricted
[07:42] <ubotu> it has been said that restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:42] <jantan> what is codecs?
[07:43] <jantan> and than not open / close exmp hang
[07:43] <jantan> and than not open / close  hang
[07:43] <jantan> why ?
[07:43] <Madpilot> jantan: codecs play your media files. see the URL that ubotu just posted
[07:43] <jantan> codecs play your media files. see the URL that ubotu just posted <<<<where
[07:43] <useruser_> Cody`: try this stuff: http://www.xfree86.org/4.1.0/mouse4.html
[07:44] <La_PaRCa> ubotu tell jantan about codecs
[07:44] <Madpilot> jantan: this one: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:44] <Cody`> looked there already :/
[07:44] <hybrid_goth> !restricted
[07:44] <ubotu> it has been said that restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:44] <Ag-Streak> Erm, Hi all. I was directed here from the ubuntulinux.org site for support. I'm having a problem trying to use the live CD. Is there anyone here that has experience with it, or could possibly help me resolve why it's freezing upon load?
[07:44] <hybrid_goth> Ag-Streak: where in the process is it freezing?
[07:45] <ironwolf> how do I verify that the USB cable I'm using to connect to my phone is really using /dev/ttyACM0 ?
[07:45] <Ag-Streak> Upon getting past the Keyboard configuration, it gets to 76% on loading components, then says something like "pulling netcfg"
[07:45] <Ag-Streak> Then just sits there, forever.
[07:46] <koisti> how to get work that xchat-xmms plugin which shows ex. now playing in the irc channel?? what I have to install??
[07:47] <vader1102> koisti: they will be with you, looking other things up at the moment
[07:48] <amg> fgg
[07:48] <Ag-Streak> Any ideas? (Note: I'm using the A64 version, I run a Athlon 64 3800+)
[07:49] <spool_> hello. I'm having a problem with mplayer. Am I in the right place?
[07:49] <amg> fgg
[07:49] <vader1102> bob2: and everyone, I am off to bed have a great night and I shall see you all tomorrow
[07:49] <amg> rffff
[07:49] <koisti> spool??
[07:49] <amg> fuck you
[07:49] <GammaRay> spool_: try #mplayer
[07:49] <amg> fuck you
[07:49] <amg> fuck you
[07:49] <amg> fuck you
[07:49] <amg> fuck you
[07:49] <amg> fuck you
[07:49] <amg> fuck you
[07:49] <amg> fuck you
[07:49] <Ag-Streak> o_O
[07:49] <amg> fuck you
[07:49] <turkuaz> i need to test latest translations on breezy, is X still broken?
[07:49] <amg> fuck you
[07:49] <spool_> thanks
[07:49] <amg> fuck you
[07:50] <amg> fuck you
[07:50] <hybrid_goth> someone kick/ban hmm plz
[07:50] <useruser_> *yawn*
[07:50] <amg> fuck you
[07:50] <rob^> your my hero
[07:50] <dr_willis> hmm.. kidy school is out early
[07:50] <amg> fuck up
[07:50] <amg> fuck up
[07:50] <amg> fuck up
[07:50] <amg> fuck up
[07:50] <amg> fuck up
[07:50] <amg> fuck up
[07:50] <amg> fuck up
[07:50] <rob^> !ops
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[07:50] <Ag-Streak> Does Freenode have a excess flood limit?
[07:50] <amg> fuck up
[07:50] <hybrid_goth> amg: #windows?
[07:50] <Jimbob> bob2: Could you kb amg from #ubuntu?
[07:50] <dr_willis> Guess he got sick of getting excited  at the hot ladies he was playing on Everquest2
[07:50] <La_PaRCa> hybrid_goth, more like #gentoo
[07:50] <poningru> guys
[07:51] <GammaRay> dr_willis: the kiddies would be insulted
[07:51] <hybrid_goth> lol
[07:51] <turkuaz> i need to test latest translations on breezy, is X still broken?
[07:51] <dr_willis> :)
[07:51] <rob^> yes
[07:51] <Ag-Streak> Hybrid goth: any ideas on the live cd issue?
[07:51] <amg> windows is a garbage
[07:51] <poningru> I am trying to switch this kid over to ubuntu from winME is there a site I can send him to that will give a brief tutorial
[07:51] <hybrid_goth> Ag-Streak: i would try burning a new one
[07:51] <poningru> on history, common questions he might have
[07:51] <poningru> etc.
[07:51] <hybrid_goth> ty!
[07:52] <ironwolf> ty!
[07:52] <vader1102> ty lamnont
[07:52] <dr_willis> poningru,  ubuntus huge and very well done wiki site :P
[07:52] <Ag-Streak> I suppose so. Guess I'll try. Any other ideas incase that doesn't work?
[07:52] <GammaRay> props to the ops! hu rah!
[07:52] <poningru> dr_willis: but that doesnt rap it up into one nice little website though
[07:52] <poningru> he would be lost
[07:53] <foxiness> any one have idea here http://www.gotmono.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=PROJECT;action=display;num=1117016899
[07:53] <GammaRay> great domainname
[07:53] <poningru> anyone have any ideas?
[07:53] <GammaRay> sure the ladies love it
[07:54] <La_PaRCa> jaja
[07:54] <Fizile> good pickup line, "So do you have mono?"
[07:54] <Sammi_> :D
[07:54] <Ag-Streak> Well, guess not. Thanks for the info! Here's hoping if I come back, it'll be /in/ ubuntu.
[07:56] <poningru> so no one has a clue where to send a person like that?
[07:57] <vader1102> not I lol
[07:57] <vader1102> I am too new to even think of a place other than maybe google
[07:57] <dr_willis> see if theres a beginners guide at the site or forums that suggest such a site. :P
[07:59] <vader1102> http://www.kubuntu.org/
[07:59] <vader1102> maybe there?
[08:00] <GammaRay> a url... whodathunkit
[08:00] <vader1102> dr_willis: night, I am pooped, it is little past 2 am here
[08:01] <jasoncohen> hey everyone. i just rebooted into ubuntu after playing CS for a bit in XP. the prior shutdown was clean and nothing appeared to be wrong but upon bootup X failed to load and when i tried to cd /etc/X11 i got an Input/Output Error
[08:01] <jasoncohen> does this mean my HD is failing?
[08:02] <jmet> Anyone up to giving me a hand with Wallpapoz?
[08:02] <GammaRay> jasoncohen: certainly sounds like it
[08:02] <GammaRay> check dmesg for similar errors
[08:02] <hondje> jasoncohen: sudo shutdown -Fr now to reboot, it'll force a fsck
[08:03] <hondje> then I'd suggest installing the smartmontools package and testing the drives
[08:03] <jasoncohen> hondje: only one drive- it's a laptop
[08:04] <jasoncohen> the weird thing is that windows starts up fine- no sign of errors
[08:04] <GammaRay> I'd suggest getting everything off the drive befoe you test it
[08:04] <hondje> I can't track it down though, sadly
[08:04] <jasoncohen> hondje: what errors? input/output?
[08:04] <hondje> yeah, fsck fixes those though
[08:04] <jasoncohen> ok, i'll try that and be back. thanks for the help- i'm usually the one helping, heh
[08:04] <hondje> the filesystem was getting hosed by the 686 kernel, but it looked like a hardware problem for the longest time
[08:04] <jasoncohen> but this is my first hardware failure
[08:05] <hondje> just shutdown with the -F option, and it'll fix stuff and let you figure out what's going on (after updating backups :)  )
[08:05] <jasoncohen> i purchase components for my desktop and try to get reliable stuff so i've never had a problem with failing drives other than a DOA
[08:05] <jasoncohen> hondje: i do daily backups from a cron job- i have /home and /etc from last night at 2 am
[08:06] <hondje> glad I'm not the only one that actually does :)
[08:06] <jasoncohen> ok, brb
[08:06] <hondje> good luck
[08:13] <jmet> having a hell of a time with Wallpapoz
[08:13] <pinko> folks, question regarding windowmaker dockapps.
[08:13] <jasoncohen> hondje: the fsck failed
[08:13] <jasoncohen> it says i have to run it manually
[08:14] <pinko> anyone know of a *portable* application that holds dockapps?
[08:14] <jmet> I simply want to have a different wallpaper for each desktop in gnome
[08:14] <jasoncohen> hondje: what should i do now?
[08:14] <hondje> jasoncohen: that's okay, it'll fix everything
[08:14] <hondje> run it manually :)
[08:14] <pinko> jmet: reasonable request, I hate it when window managers don't do that.
[08:15] <jasoncohen> hondje: what's the command to do that?
[08:16] <hondje> fsck partition, ex /dev/hda1
[08:16] <jmet> Pinko: Have you used Wallpapoz before?
[08:16] <pinko> no.
[08:18] <pinko> full props to ubuntu for getting openoffice.org2 in there.
[08:18] <pinko> I don't like it one bit, but should come in handy nonetheless.
[08:19] <holycow> lol
[08:19] <holycow> i love open office
[08:19] <holycow> especially when i look at the price of mso
[08:19] <pinko> *nods*
[08:19] <hondje> and msw to run it on
[08:20] <pinko> they should do the thing where multiple pages are laid out horizontally
[08:20] <holycow> hey, submit a patch
[08:20] <holycow> and then it will :)
[08:20] <jmet> When trying to install Libglademm I get the error, "No acceptable c compiler found in path $path"
[08:21] <jmet> What package should I install under Synaptic package manager?
[08:21] <pinko> It's an idea.  I'll give them some time to beat me to the punch, though.
[08:22] <hondje> jmet: two parts...one, apt-get install build-essential, or just apt-get install libglademm2.0-dev
[08:22] <jeroen__> what is a good burn program for linux?
[08:23] <The_Vox> jeroen__: k3b rocks
[08:23] <The_Vox> jmet: why are you compiling that lib and not installing the packaged one?
[08:24] <jasoncohen> hondje: it keeps doing an fsck on boot and failing. it then asks me for my root password which i ofcourse don'thave or ctrl-d to continue, but ctrl-d just restarts
[08:24] <jmet> I was following a post on the Ubuntu forum
[08:24] <The_Vox> jmet: sudo aptitude install libglademm2.0
[08:25] <The_Vox> jmet: what are you trying to do? I mean...what's your final objective?
[08:25] <jmet> I want to run Wallpapoz so i can have a diff wallpaper for each virtual workstastion
[08:26] <Xyc0> kde used to do that
[08:26] <Xyc0> donno if it still does
[08:26] <jasoncohen> hondje: it looks like i'm stuck here. ctrl-d just reboots and it rejects my password as it should since there is no root account. why didn't ubuntu setup fsck to work with sudo?
[08:26] <jmet> I would prefer to stay with gnome as that is the projects default
[08:26] <The_Vox> Xyc0: yes, it does
[08:26] <jmet> those two suggestions worked now to try Wallpapoz
[08:27] <Xyc0> jmet: which project?
[08:27] <jmet> Ubuntu
[08:27] <Xyc0> ah
[08:27] <The_Vox> jmet: you need the -dev package of that lib if you are going to compile wallpapoz by hand
[08:27] <Xyc0> KUbuntu is out the window then?
[08:27] <Xyc0> I used to be die hard KDE
[08:28] <Xyc0> but gnome has become more customisable
[08:28] <Xyc0> cleaner looking
[08:28] <Xyc0> I always make KDE look like windows in the end
[08:28] <jmet> ok got it
[08:28] <Xyc0> which is bad
[08:28] <jmet> the dev package that is
[08:28] <hybrid_goth> lol
[08:28] <The_Vox> Xyc0: I always make it look like OSX lol!
[08:28] <hybrid_goth> i like screen
[08:28] <nothingsometing> with samba what does wins soupport mean
[08:29] <Xyc0> The_Vox: that seems to be the trend in Gnome themes too
[08:29] <jmet> now I will follow the wallpapoz page for the wallpapoz install
[08:29] <jmet> hopefully all goes well
[08:29] <Xyc0> gnome-look.org is full of OSX ripoffs
[08:29] <The_Vox> Xyc0: hehehe but none I've ever seen comes close to baghira for kde...it rules :)
[08:29] <Xyc0> jmet: have you tried using 3ddesktop
[08:29] <jmet> no
[08:30] <Xyc0> its a really cool workspace switcher
[08:30] <jasoncohen> can anyone help me with this situation? i booted into ubuntu and couldn't start X. when i tried to cd /etc/X11 i got an input/output error. i did a shutdown -Fr now and the fsck failed. now my only choice is to reboot because i have no root password to enter. whatdo i do?
[08:30] <Xyc0> all 3d
[08:30] <jmet> I havent touched linux in at least a couple years
[08:30] <jasoncohen> jmet: try 3ddesktop, it's quite cool
[08:30] <jmet> Ubuntu was highl;y reccomended when I became interested
[08:30] <jasoncohen> sudo apt-get install 3ddesktop
[08:30] <finn> is there an alternative version of ffmpeg available for ubuntu which has divx and xvid support compiled in? or will i have to compile it myself?
[08:30] <The_Vox> jasoncohen: I'd boot with the ubuntu CD, go to rescue mode, fsck from there and pray
[08:31] <cafuego> 3ddesktop makes switching desktops takes 10 seconds instead of 0.5
[08:31] <Xyc0> finn: w32codecs
[08:31] <jasoncohen> nothingsometing: that's if you are using a WINS server. if you don'tknow what it is, you probably aren't so itdoesn't matter :)
[08:31] <The_Vox> cafuego: eyecandy! :)
[08:31] <cafuego> The_Vox: eyecandy is for people with nothing better to do ;-)
[08:32] <finn> Xyc0, i have w32codecs installed, but nuvexport doesn't want to use anything but ffmpeg
[08:32] <jmspeex> Whenever I try to run a KDE config tool as administrator, I get "Conversation with su failed."
[08:32] <Xyc0> it takes the same on my computers
[08:32] <jmspeex> Any idea?
[08:32] <jasoncohen> cafuego: 3ddesktop actually allows you to see what is on the desktop- rather than tiny boxes
[08:32] <redlounge> hi. anyone using fluxbox here?
[08:32] <finn> i'm using mythtv, and want to export stuff from .nuv to avi
[08:32] <jasoncohen> so you don't have to remember what you haverunning on each desktop
[08:32] <jasoncohen> finn: yes, you want nuvexport
[08:32] <Xyc0> jasoncohen: but you have to refresh it so often
[08:32] <jasoncohen> finn: go to mythtv.org. it's all in the docs
[08:32] <cafuego> jasoncohen: I *know* what is on my desktops
[08:32] <pinko> redlounge: I sometimes am
[08:33] <jasoncohen> Xyc0: that's done automaticaly
[08:33] <finn> ok, i'll have another look, maybe i missed it
[08:33] <cafuego> There's only 16, it's not like it's hard to remember
[08:33] <brosio> hi, i want to remove metacity and install another windows manger that is load each time by default how could do this ?
[08:33] <The_Vox> cafuego: exactly :) Then again, I like eyecandy, as long as it doesn't mess up the responsivness of my box :)
[08:33] <jasoncohen> finn: are you sure you don't just need w32codecs?
[08:33] <Xyc0> jasoncohen: Not really, it doesn't show the image untill ive already switched the desktop
[08:33] <nothingsometing> ok
[08:33] <nothingsometing> thank you
[08:33] <redlounge> pinko, i have the problem that my toolbar/slit is always coverer by maximized windows. the maxOver option is set to false...
[08:33] <pinko> redlounge: version?
[08:33] <jasoncohen> gstreamer also has an ffmpeg package which supports divx/xvid - it's in hoary-extras but i suggest you use the xine engine
[08:34] <nothingsometing> so what is the permittion RW stand for as far as file permittions
[08:34] <nothingsometing> wright?
[08:34] <nothingsometing> right
[08:34] <jasoncohen> read/write
[08:34] <redlounge> pinko, the latest from ubuntu 0.9.13
[08:34] <jasoncohen> as opposed to ro - read-only
[08:34] <cafuego> The_Vox: That's my point, switching to the mail desktop shouldn't take 10 seconds, whilst pictures rotate past
[08:35] <The_Vox> cafuego: on that I agree :)
[08:35] <nothingsometing> thanks
[08:35] <Xyc0> I am trying to decide on a bootsplash.  splashy, upower, usplash, or fbsplash?
[08:35] <jmet> ugh
[08:35] <jmet> getting erros when i try to make
[08:35] <jasoncohen> cafuego: it doesn't
[08:36] <finn> jasoncohen, mplayer and xine both work with divx and xvid files, so the codecs are installed, but nuvexport complains when i select divx or xvid
[08:36] <pinko> redlounge: I wonder if that just means that maximize will not set their dimensions to cover it.
[08:36] <Xyc0> jmet: what packages does it say your missing during ./configure
[08:36] <jmet> libxml++/libxml++.h no such file or directory
[08:36] <pinko> but that a separate option keeps them from actually covering it
[08:36] <nothingsometing> Un-comment the following and create the netlogon directory for Domain Logons (you need to configure Samba to act as a domain controller too.)
[08:36] <nothingsometing> what does that mean??????
[08:36] <jmet> Thats when i type in "make"
[08:36] <nothingsometing> i'm scared to touch it
[08:37] <Xyc0> jmet: search synaptic for libxml
[08:37] <jasoncohen> finn: where did you get your ffmpeg package- from hoary or hoary-extras?
[08:37] <redlounge> pinko, but that should do the job
[08:37] <jasoncohen> ubuntu won't support divx/xvid by default
[08:37] <redlounge> pinko, but it doesnt work ;)
[08:37] <jmet> ok
[08:37] <jasoncohen> becaused they are closed formats and you probably don't have rights to use the codecs
[08:37] <jmet> abunch are listed
[08:38] <Xyc0> rights my left nut
[08:38] <Xyc0> sorry
[08:38] <jmet> lol
[08:38] <hybrid_goth> i thot xvid was FOSS of divx
[08:38] <poningru> where are the pressed cd's getting shipped from?
[08:39] <The_Vox> Xyc0: are those bootsplashes for gentoo or what?
[08:39] <jmet> libxml1, libxml2, libxml2-utils, libxml-dev, python2.4-libxml2 All have green boxes
[08:39] <Xyc0> i think the stopped shipping untill breezy is out
[08:39] <poningru> oh are you serious
[08:39] <poningru> cru
[08:39] <poningru> crud
[08:39] <poningru> but the website is still up
[08:39] <Belutz> !resolution
[08:39] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:39] <Xyc0> The_Vox: no they all work on deb/ubuntu
[08:40] <Xyc0> Im not sure tho, i have like 20 ordered for myself
[08:40] <Xyc0> I gave away all my lastones
[08:40] <milksteak> hmmm
[08:40] <jasoncohen> hybrid_goth: sorry, you're right. xvid is open source....it's legality however is questionable
[08:40] <milksteak> when's breezy out then?
[08:40] <milksteak> well
[08:40] <milksteak> final release?
[08:40] <hybrid_goth> october
[08:40] <jasoncohen> hybrid_goth: ubuntu lists it in the "evil" category of codecs
[08:40] <The_Vox> Xyc0: duh! sorry, I meant grub bootsplashes :)
[08:41] <hybrid_goth> jasoncohen: heh
[08:41] <Xyc0> The_Vox: those are projects that are eyecandy for verbose startup
[08:42] <jasoncohen> so...if fsck fails, what do i do?
[08:42] <The_Vox> Xyc0: mmm...gonna have to check them :)
[08:42] <finn> jasoncohen, i'm pretty sure it's hoary-extras, i have the backports in my sources.list just like in the ubuntuguide
[08:42] <Xyc0> jasoncohen: is it a fresh install?
[08:42] <jasoncohen> Xyc0: fairly fresh
[08:43] <Computer__Guru> i think im gonna smoke a bowl and go to bed
[08:43] <Xyc0> jasoncohen: did it boot properly before hand?
[08:43] <Computer__Guru> got a cookout at 1 tomorrow
[08:43] <luke2> I just installed Ubuntu yesterday. Having problems getting MP3's to play. Installed XMMS but it hangs when trying to play them.
[08:43] <jasoncohen> Xyc0: yup
[08:43] <Xyc0> jasoncohen: that usualy means you changed something you shouldn't have
[08:43] <jasoncohen> Xyc0: but this is actually a re-install of ubuntu. / failed to boot. i thought it was due to using LVM for  my / partition
[08:43] <jasoncohen> i guess it wasn't
[08:43] <hybrid_goth> damn use to sudo was THE question
[08:43] <luke2> Is there a lib I need to install or something?
[08:44] <hybrid_goth> now it is restricted
[08:44] <Computer__Guru> luke2:  sounds like xmms is using the wrong output driver. go into xmms preferences, under the plugins tab, pulldown the output driver, change it to alsa and restart xmms.. see if that works
[08:44] <hybrid_goth> luke2 watch ubotu
[08:44] <Ag-Streak> Hello again. Back again, still having issues with the Ubuntu A64 live cd, I've reburnt it, and it now gets past the set up process, however, when It gets to the point where it's supposed to show the ubuntu start up screen/ubuntu itself, all I get is corrupt graphics.
[08:44] <jasoncohen> Xyc0: no- i changed nothing. i rebooted and X wouldn'tstart. when i did cd /etc/X11 i got a Input/Output  error
[08:44] <hybrid_goth> !restricted
[08:44] <ubotu> restricted is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:44] <jasoncohen> it's asking me if i want to fix things...should i just say yes?
[08:44] <luke2> Computer__Guru: Okay. I'll try it.
[08:44] <Xyc0> ha ha, well do you want to fix things?
[08:45] <jasoncohen> well, why would i run it if i didn't...why does it even ask if i want to fix it?
[08:46] <Ag-Streak> Anyone know what would cause the corrupt graphics?
[08:46] <Computer__Guru> money
[08:46] <Computer__Guru> causes corruption more than anything else
[08:46] <dudus> hahaha
[08:47] <Computer__Guru> actually
[08:47] <jasoncohen> cool- it fixed the partition
[08:47] <Computer__Guru> women cause FAR more corruption than money, heh
[08:47] <jasoncohen> there were several hundred errors though
[08:47] <jasoncohen> does this mean my HD is dying?
[08:47] <luke2> Computer__Guru: Now it says "Please check that your soundcard is configured properly, you have the correct output plugin selected, no other program is using the soundcard.
[08:47] <jasoncohen> why didn't ubuntu modify fsck so that it works with sudo?
[08:48] <luke2> Stopped hanging though! :(
[08:48] <dudus> why does my Gaim don't play sound alerts? duh!
[08:48] <Computer__Guru> luke2:  i dunno man, check the wiki for sound troubleshooting tips
[08:48] <jasoncohen> dudus: set it to ESD
[08:48] <Madpilot> jasoncohen: when I was having that sort of error, it was actually my (new) mobo that was borked...
[08:48] <luke2> Computer__Guru: Thanks anyway. I'll check it out.
[08:48] <Xyc0> lets hear it for grammar
[08:48] <Computer__Guru> dudus:  i dunno why you want them, but go to preferences->sounds and select custom.. use play %s
[08:49] <jasoncohen> Madpilot: this is a pretty old laptop. i haven't had any problems with xp and i didn't have any problems with mandrake
[08:49] <luke2> Computer__Guru: Actually, it just worked using the eSound Output Plugin... okay then.
[08:49] <jasoncohen> when fsck runs on boot - doesn't it run with the -a option? why would a manual fsck work when it failed in the auto run?
[08:49] <Computer__Guru> luke2:  oh, you're running esd then
[08:49] <dudus> ESD didnt work
[08:49] <Computer__Guru> heh
[08:50] <luke2> I guess.
[08:50] <dudus> this one does: i dunno why you want them, but go to preferences->sounds and select custom.. use play %s
[08:50] <Ag-Streak> Erm, seriously though, would anyone know what would cause only corrupt graphics?
[08:50] <dudus> thnx a lot
[08:50] <Computer__Guru> netime
[08:50] <luke2> Any benefits to running alsa as opposed to esd?
[08:50] <jasoncohen> Computer__Guru: sorry for the horrid grammar...this has been a pretty rough day
[08:51] <Computer__Guru> jasoncohen:  i was just replying to sarcasm, pay no mind to me, m8
[08:51] <Ag-Streak> I can almost make out prompts and stuff, but they're like 5 times too large, and overlay on the screen numerous times, and there's like, vertical scanlines, the entire screen is green/yellow, and it doesn't seem to make a difference what resolution I tell the live CD to use
[08:51] <jasoncohen> Computer__Guru: heh, np- i would have made the same comment. I'm half asleep.
[08:51] <Computer__Guru> luke2:  different people have different reasons for running either.. if the one you're using suits you,t hen use it.
[08:51] <_maydayjay_> !backports
[08:51] <ubotu> backports is, like, .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[08:52] <luke2> Computer__Guru. Okay. Whatever I'm running is default of Hoary.
[08:52] <luke2> Aside from Azureus, LimeWire, VLC, and xsnes.
[08:53] <dragon> hi
[08:53] <Computer__Guru> i doubt it ;) mine defaulted to alsa.. maybe you installed something that made it run esd.. but then again, im also in kde.... could be kde that uses alsa by default.. *shrug*
[08:53] <luke2> I'm on Gnome. So who knows.
[08:53] <Computer__Guru> 4.8.1 baby, yeah
[08:54] <Ag-Streak> Um, Anyone?
[08:54] <luke2> Ah. I'm using 4.9.x basic.
[08:54] <jasoncohen> Computer__Guru: gnome uses ESD by default
[08:54] <luke2> Ah, that explains it.
[08:55] <Computer__Guru> luke2:  well, there you have it
[08:55] <vladuz976> what terminals are you guys using? is gnome-terminal fast
[08:55] <jasoncohen> luke2: ESD allows for multiplexing - multiple programs outputting sound simultaneously
[08:55] <luke2> jasoncohen: Thanks for the info. Been away from Linux for over a year. Never used Gnome before. First Debian based distro too.
[08:55] <jasoncohen> you can use ALSA with ESD. there's a howto...use the link below
[08:56] <luke2> REALLY liking the .deb packages (and alien!)
[08:56] <jasoncohen> !sound problems
[08:56] <ubotu> jasoncohen: Bugger all, i dunno
[08:56] <Computer__Guru> jay      18312  1.5  3.9  29604 15184 ?        S    02:55   0:00 konsole [kdeinit]  konsole
[08:56] <Computer__Guru> jay      18334  0.0  0.3   3764  1192 ?        S    02:56   0:00 sh -c ps auxww | grep -i konsole
[08:56] <Computer__Guru> jay      18336  0.0  0.1   2904   724 ?        R    02:56   0:00 grep -i konsole
[08:56] <jasoncohen> !multimedia problems
[08:56] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, jasoncohen
[08:56] <jasoncohen> luke2: lol, just wait until i have my ubuntu system back up.i have the link bookmarked
[08:57] <luke2> jasoncohen: Not a problem. Despite being Linux+ certified (from back when the program was new) I'm still a newbie.
[08:57] <jasoncohen> ...great, now hotplug isn't starting correctly. my ubuntu install seems trashed
[08:57] <Computer__Guru> linux+ actually get you a job somewhere these days?
[08:57] <calc> luke2: go through LFS
[08:57] <Computer__Guru> i know mcse+i sure does
[08:58] <luke2> Computer__Guru: Not sure. Once I got my cert I stopped using Linux for a year up til yesterday.
[08:58] <Computer__Guru> heh
[08:58] <calc> mcse+i probably doesn't get a decent job... probably one doing sysadmin work on... windows ;)
[08:58] <luke2> Forgot most of it.
[08:58] <Computer__Guru> that makes sense
[08:58] <luke2> I'm sure I'll pick it up. Still got my notes, and the book.
[08:58] <calc> luke2: lfs is pretty good for picking up bits of linux stuff
[08:58] <jasoncohen> finally...ubuntu is back up- but i don't know what's causing this hotplug problem
[08:58] <luke2> I had it all down, easy. Was even comfortable under Slackware.
[08:59] <cafuego> luke2: It's not changed much, it's just become easier.
[08:59] <Computer__Guru> calc:  mcse+i w/emph on tcp/ip lands you something to the tune of $70,000/yr USD.. that's not bad for a senior network administrator
[08:59] <calc> Computer__Guru: what part of the country?
[08:59] <calc> eg 70K in cali is peanutes ;)
[08:59] <calc> er peanuts
[08:59] <luke2> cafuego: I'm sure if anything it's just easier. Or maybe it's just how user friendly Ubuntu is. I dunno.
[08:59] <cafuego> Computer__Guru: They need to offer me FAR more than 70,000 per year to put up with Windows based monkeys and their problems.
[08:59] <Ag-Streak> Erm, anyone have any recomendations on what would cause the corrupt graphics?
[08:59] <Computer__Guru> midwest... oh, pn, everything ne of those two, etc
[09:00] <calc> i could probably get a mcse without much trouble but i would never want to sysadmin a windows box (ugh)
[09:00] <cafuego> calc: amen
[09:00] <calc> the tcpip stuff in particular is trivial
[09:00] <hybrid_goth> cafuego: you from the UK?
[09:00] <cafuego> hybrid_goth: No, thanks.
[09:01] <jasoncohen> luke2, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[09:01] <luke2> I have a friend with a MSCE and CCNA (cisco). He says his MSCE does nothing for him.
[09:01] <luke2> jasoncohen: Thanks! I'll check it out.
[09:01] <cafuego> calc: No, ipconfig /renew is "advanced"  ;-)
[09:01] <hybrid_goth> cafuego: lol b/c my british friend says bugger and so does ubotu
[09:01] <hybrid_goth> ;)
[09:01] <Computer__Guru> cafuego:  that's not a helpdesk job, you dont put up with anyone in a situation like that, heh.. you kinda run your own show.. you have lackies (who have to deal with the winmonkeys) who bring you reports of whats broke, then you tell them how to fix it, and they go fix it.. you dont really do anything but dispense knowledge.... this is all ideally, of course .. for those of us who dont live in Perfect, there's Walgreens
[09:01] <calc> cafuego: omg that is so hard... ;)
[09:01] <calc> cafuego: our sysadmins at work can't even figure out why windows auth is so slow
[09:02] <calc> it brings our network to a crawl several times a day
[09:02] <luke2> cafuego: Anything that uses the DOS console is advanced in Windows. :)
[09:02] <jasoncohen> !sudo
[09:02] <ubotu> sudo is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:02] <calc> from the sound of it they don't know any programming langs at all and don't know what snmp is either
[09:02] <cafuego> Computer__Guru: If a monkey tells me windows is broken my answer would be that as far as I was aware the company didn't use windows - who installed it - fire them.
[09:04] <nadroj> how do i startup mldonkey after its been installed?
[09:04] <luke2> The only thing that kept me from Linux for so long, and made me sell out to Windows, was how hard I find it to watch streaming video.
[09:05] <cafuego> luke2: use a powerpc and it's not an issue
[09:05] <luke2> cnn.com's video streaming is impossible under Linux as far as I'm concerned. Let alone Yahoo's Launchcast service.
[09:05] <Computer__Guru> cafuego:  in a call center environment, i could see an all-linux network.. but in the small to mediate business environment, the people are going to want to use what they're used to and already proficcient with. That means, that your backend can be linux all day and all night, but your front end needs to run and rely on the same services and resources they're used to.. thankfully, virtually all of those services have been emulat
[09:05] <Computer__Guru> ed or wrapped.. enterprise exchange server functionality is the only real exclusiont hat I know of
[09:05] <jasoncohen> i have smartmontools installed. where do i check the logs for info on my drives?
[09:05] <cafuego> Computer__Guru: yeah, they can use macs
[09:05] <paulproteus> luke2: I think they both work with the mozilla mplayer plugin
[09:06] <cafuego> Computer__Guru: Bot (my god) don't get me started on exchange
[09:06] <luke2> paulproteus: When launching Yahoo's radio service it will throw an error saying "You must use Internet Explorer" or whatever.
[09:06] <pinko> who was I talking to before, about maximize-over-slit?
[09:06] <cafuego> A more evil bastard piece of software was never invented
[09:06] <paulproteus> luke2: Oh.
[09:06] <luke2> Won't even try to load it.
[09:06] <Computer__Guru> if they're used to windows, you're going to be hard pressed to get them to switch the computers they already know how to do what they need to do to an interface and environment that is 185.3264% alien to them...
[09:06] <paulproteus> luke2: I guess you could try the User-Agent Spoof extension....
[09:06] <Computer__Guru> oh I agree
[09:07] <paulproteus> ...but point taken.
[09:07] <Computer__Guru> I punched an exchange server once and broke two knuckles
[09:07] <luke2> I can get over not using Launchcast. I'll try the mplayer plugin though, thanks paulproteus.
[09:07] <paulproteus> (May Yahoo! burn in Hell!.)
[09:07] <luke2> paulproteus: Ah, didn't know that existed. Thanks.
[09:07] <Computer__Guru> i hit that damned thing as hard as i could, heh
[09:08] <Computer__Guru> when you apply an ip filter ruleset and reload the store and rehup the exchange server itself, that means that the new ruleset you applied to the main store would now be in effect, riiiight?
[09:08] <Computer__Guru> WRONG
[09:08] <Computer__Guru> you have to reboot
[09:08] <Computer__Guru> but that didnt work either.. about six hours later with ZERO progressed, I threw a haymaker at it
[09:10] <Computer__Guru> and the whole problem was that this putz was breaking into our staff's emails.. i hosts.deny'd his practical ip range (his isp), but they made me take it off saying that potential valid customers in that market would not be able to see the site as a result
[09:10] <cafuego> Computer__Guru: See, exchange is physically dangerous
[09:11] <Computer__Guru> yeah, probably two.. we weren't sears & roebuck
[09:11] <Computer__Guru> so they told me to fix it
[09:11] <Computer__Guru> well
[09:11] <Computer__Guru> i banned the same ip range in exchange
[09:11] <Computer__Guru> which they had no problem with
[09:11] <Computer__Guru> even though it did the EXACT same thing as adding them to hosts.deny
[09:12] <Computer__Guru> THAT's why I'd rather be a construction worker
[09:12] <Computer__Guru> I can just grunt when my boss talks to me, and if people complain to me, i can tell them where to stick it (and show them if they keep at me)
[09:12] <paulproteus> Computer__Guru: Thinking of _Office Space_, eh?
[09:13] <Computer__Guru> paulproteus:  living the dream
[09:13] <paulproteus> Computer__Guru: Why, watched some buildings burn down lately?
[09:13] <elsha> any ideas why ubuntu crashed on my computer when i was sleeping? All I can think of that would have been running was xchat, gaim, and dvd drive was mounted
[09:13] <citrus_> how do i UNblock someone in GAIM for msn???????????/
[09:13] <Computer__Guru> been int his field since before it was a field.... now, i'm a rough framer
[09:13] <cafuego> though admittedly the cats will probably get at it first
[09:13] <Ag-Streak> Er, I'm sorry to ask again, but I'm like the Omega Newb when it comes to linux. Would anyone know why Ubuntu's live cd for 64-bit machines would go through teh config process, then start to load, but the actual Desktop/screen has such corrupted graphics that you can't make anything out, just a bunch of lines on the screen?
[09:14] <rob^> elsha, nightmare?
[09:14] <paulproteus> citrus_: Ask in #gaim
[09:14] <paulproteus> Ag-Streak: Sounds like a graphics driver bug.
[09:14] <Computer__Guru> as in, i build the frames of houses :D
[09:14] <luke2> citrus_: I have the same problem in gaim for Yahoo.
[09:15] <Unipal> h
[09:15] <Ag-Streak> Paulproteus: Anyway to fix that? I'
[09:15] <Ag-Streak> I'm running a Geforce FX 5900 Ultra
[09:15] <paulproteus> Ag-Streak: See if the i386 CD has the same problem.
[09:16] <Ag-Streak> Thats what I'm burning right now. If that /is/ the case, would that be something I'd want to submit as a bug or something?
[09:16] <vladuz976> anybody, how come i get more packages to upgrade with aptitude right after doing a apt-get update apt-get upgrade????
[09:16] <luke2> paulproteus: The user agent spoof extension bypassed the IE issue. Just need the mplayer plugin. Where can I get it?
[09:16] <citrus_> no one is in #gaim       does anyone else know?
[09:16] <Computer__Guru> citrus_:  yaknow, question marks (?'s) are kinda like the individual 'floor' buttons on elevtors. you put one to state that it's a question. putting another one is not going to illustrate that you stated a question any further. ten of them would be like continuously hitting the button until you reach your floor.
[09:16] <paulproteus> luke2: mozilla-mplayer package, iirc
[09:16] <luke2> paulproteus: Thanks.
[09:16] <paulproteus> Computer__Guru: Heh. :)
[09:16] <jasoncohen> i have smartmontools installed. how do i check to see if the drive is ok? i did smartctl -a /dev/hda
[09:17] <citrus_> Computer_Guru    people like you also use a lot of wasted space as well....     keep hitting that crosswalk button too  it helps
[09:17] <jasoncohen> the information given by smartctl -a /dev/hda doesn't seem that helpful. what should i be looking for?
[09:17] <Computer__Guru> yaknow
[09:18] <citrus_> ???
[09:18] <citrus_> lol
[09:18] <Computer__Guru> if someone decided to say something cause i put ten question marks.. i'd just look at them like they were insane :D
[09:18] <Computer__Guru> but regardless
[09:18] <Computer__Guru> it was damned funny
[09:18] <elsha> citrus, i think i can guarentee no one is going to help you now
[09:18] <dudus> i have a question about icons
[09:18] <Computer__Guru> very good parallel
[09:18] <paulproteus> jasoncohen: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Monitor_your_hard_disk(s)_with_smartmontools
[09:18] <jasoncohen> thanks
[09:18] <dudus> the icons I set in KDE don't seem to render in gnome
[09:19] <cafuego> Stuff it, 60G
[09:19] <citrus_> lol  karma ROCKS  >>>>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<<<<<
[09:19] <jasoncohen> paulproteus, it's blank
[09:19] <elsha> citrus, and also your question is pretty dumb, there is such a thing as google
[09:19] <Computer__Guru> lol
[09:19] <citrus_> is there?
[09:19] <paulproteus> jasoncohen: Uh, really?  It's there for me...
[09:19] <billatq> Now now, there are no stupid questions
[09:19] <billatq> (Just stupid people)
[09:19] <paulproteus> jasoncohen: I just hit reload, and it's still there.
[09:19] <paulproteus> jasoncohen: Google smartctl and you'll find some nice other articles.
[09:19] <jasoncohen> paulproteus, nevermind- xchat didn't take the complete URL
[09:19] <citrus_> it was a simple question that none of you know the answere too    so i wouldn't be talking about stupid people
[09:19] <elsha> billatq, i stand corrected
[09:19] <jasoncohen> it only saw http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Monitor_your_hard_disk as a URL
[09:20] <paulproteus> jasoncohen: Ah, right.
[09:20] <elsha> citrus_ i know i for one just don't want to tell you
[09:20] <paulproteus> elsha: That sounds mean.
[09:20] <luke2> Always stops at the parens. :(
[09:20] <elsha> paulproteus, and? :)
[09:20] <billatq> citrus_: You should probably look around the privacy settings in gaim
[09:20] <dudus> does anyone know a easy way of displayng the icons from kde in gnome?
[09:21] <luke2> citrus_: You're asking a question about a specific program that has nothing to do with Ubuntu itself. And besides, you get what you paid for.
[09:21] <Computer__Guru> i owuldnt really consider it a karmatic issue, but okay we'll play it that way and ill draw you another parallel. It's kinda like having mustard on your chin. you'll be a little embarassed when you find out and have to deal with it, but you still want people to tell you about it, because walking around in that manner is far more embarassing to yourself, even if you didnt realize that you looked like a [grammatical in this case] 
[09:21] <Computer__Guru> slob.
[09:21] <cafuego> luke2: Too right. it should have said %28s%29
[09:21] <citrus_> billatq:   thanks  i saw that too in #gaim
[09:22] <citrus_> thats why i asked it there after someone refered me.....  and did make a fuss out of how many characters people used
[09:22] <jasoncohen> paulproteus, thanks, that was helpful
[09:22] <luke2> citus_: I'm sure anyone would help you if they could. But unfortunately not every question has an answer. I have the same problem.
[09:22] <billatq> Computer__Guru: So are you the napkin of justice?
[09:22] <jasoncohen> SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
[09:22] <Computer__Guru> billatq:  lmmfao
[09:22] <billatq> I'm the salt shaker of freedom
[09:22] <Computer__Guru> i like that
[09:22] <jasoncohen> paulproteus, but i do see a lot of errors
[09:22] <paulproteus> jasoncohen: Heh.
[09:22] <NapkinOfJustice-> grr
[09:22] <luke2> citrus_: Even logging in in the REAL yahoo under Windows and trying to unblock the user didn't help.
[09:22] <paulproteus> I won't promise you that disk analysis tools won't find your errors, if that's what you want, jasoncohen :).
[09:22] <elsha> lol
[09:23] <NapkinOfJustice> i was gonna add -v2
[09:23] <luke2> I'm stuck just as much as you are.
[09:23] <citrus_> luke2:  i understand not ever question has an answer  but...  a questiong does not need a smart ass remark
[09:23] <dudus> what about the icons question?
[09:23] <citrus_> some people odviously need to get laid...    IMHO
[09:24] <crispynix-v6> cafuego: whisk is a noun? what is the object?
[09:24] <jasoncohen> paulproteus, no- i want to know why i've had my root fs fail on me twice in a few weeks. i reinstalled the first time (i didn't want / on an LVM anyways) and this time i did a manual fsck and fixed the partition after fixing many errors
[09:24] <cafuego> crispynix-v6: "Whisk of Insanity"
[09:24] <cafuego> crispynix-v6: It's a special whisk.
[09:24] <NapkinOfJustice> took care of that this afternoon after my run, but i'm flattered by the offer. Also, I don't think my wife would appreciate it.. She tends to get a touch jealous
[09:25] <luke2> Hrmph. The mozilla-mplayer plugin doesn't do either launchcast or CNN. :(
[09:25] <crispynix-v6> cafuego: ah, that explains everything ;)
[09:25] <citrus_> NapkinOfJustice:    are you the king of GRAMMMMMMMER?
[09:25] <paulproteus> luke2: You do have a properly-configured mplayer set up, right?
[09:25] <jasoncohen> paulproteus, i booted into ubuntu about an hour ago and X wouldn't start. I couldn't cd to /etc/X11 because of an Input/Output Error. i was able to fix it by running fsck from the live-cd but i shouldn't have to do this every few weeks!
[09:25] <luke2> paulproteus: I have the actual mplayer binaries and it plays an .avi that I have, yeah.
[09:26] <paulproteus> jasoncohen: Your memory may be bad.
[09:26] <crispynix-v6> http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=whisk  < learn something every day
[09:26] <elsha> citrus_ what're you talking about? ubuntu are the coolest of the linux geeks. we all get laid
[09:26] <paulproteus> cafuego: That's not a pretty image.
[09:26] <jasoncohen> paulproteus, hmm, i'll run a memtest check tomorrow morning. thanks for the suggestion
[09:26] <NapkinOfJustice> citrus_:  dude, seriously.. calm down. I'm just picking fun at you... Take a couple deep breaths, okay? it's basic social interaction with a twist of sarcasm ;) It'll be alright, I promise.
[09:26] <paulproteus> jasoncohen: Your disk may also be bad, don't worry. ;)
[09:26] <citrus_> your promis?  is there a guarentee with that?
[09:26] <NapkinOfJustice> Oh, and a little wit :)
[09:26] <citrus_> you*
[09:26] <NapkinOfJustice> 30 days or your money back
[09:27] <jasoncohen> paulproteus, i still don't understand why it's only affecting ubuntu though. it didn't affect mandrake when I had it installed, and XP boots fine. Maybe i'm just lucky with XP
[09:27] <cafuego> paulproteus: And that's only ther MA-rated one.
[09:27] <paulproteus> cafuego: Imagine if I find the hack online that turns you into the AO machine you are meant to be....
[09:27] <jasoncohen> paulproteus, did you get samba up & running?
[09:27] <paulproteus> jasoncohen: Yes.
[09:27] <citrus_> NapkinOfJustice: not to SPAZ or anything... but you still live with your mom don't you  ?
[09:28] <jasoncohen> sorry, that was for NapkinofJustice
[09:28] <milksteak> hmmm
[09:28] <milksteak> I should get flash working
[09:28] <jasoncohen> Computer__Guru, you asked me about setting up swat yesterday, right?
[09:28] <crispynix-v6> there are people out there who don't live with their mothers!?
[09:28] <milksteak> can't get any sound or text
[09:28] <citrus_> playing star wars?
[09:28] <jasoncohen> Computer__Guru, if you're still interested i can tell you how
[09:28] <citrus_> with your buddy down the street?
[09:28] <paulproteus> crispynix-v6: I'm in college...
[09:28] <nothingsometing> in this line #
[09:28] <nothingsometing> useradd -c "Jack Baumbach" -m -g users -p m0r3pa1n jackb
[09:28] <nothingsometing> #
[09:28] <nothingsometing>  what does the " -m " and the " -c " mean
[09:28] <crispynix-v6> paulproteus: I call bullshit and demand proof.
[09:28] <citrus_> beating off to hillary duff?
[09:28] <Computer__Guru> citrus_:  did you just hear me say i have a wife?? I live with my wife, three kids, iguana, 3 goldfish, one clumsy cat, and pretty soon a ferret
[09:28] <crispynix-v6> paulproteus: as far as I'm concerned, such people don't exist.
[09:29] <citrus_> wow....  sorry...
[09:29] <citrus_> that sux
[09:29] <Computer__Guru> jasoncohen:  wasn't me, m8..
[09:29] <paulproteus> crispynix-v6: You can email me at asheesh@jhu.edu ...
[09:29] <elsha> i live with a dirty grub who doesn't wipe his own ass
[09:29] <Computer__Guru> jasoncohen:  i was telling someone how to setup swap yesterday, but i wasnt asking anything :D
[09:29] <jasoncohen> ah, it was nothingsometing
[09:29] <citrus_> BTW  you don't need an extra question mark there      i get the point
[09:29] <crispynix-v6> paulproteus: colleges don't actually exist either until proven otherwise.
[09:29] <jasoncohen> nothingsometing, you asked me about setting up samba/swat last night, right?
[09:29] <Computer__Guru> citrus_:  actually, it's wonderful :) I never tire of those I surround myself with.
[09:29] <jasoncohen> nothingsometing, i can help you set up swat if you're still interested
[09:29] <paulproteus> crispynix-v6: Want me to portscan you from a dot-edu machine...?
[09:30] <nothingsometing> jasoncohen yes i did
[09:30] <jasoncohen> ok
[09:30] <elsha> citrus_, you don't need to tab in there, a comma will suffice
[09:30] <crispynix-v6> paulproteus: .edu is a fictional domain created by a demented mind.
[09:30] <paulproteus> crispynix-v6: Like yours? ;0
[09:30] <crispynix-v6> paulproteus: indeed!
[09:30] <nothingsometing> jasoncohen and i stared at the conf file for so damn long that i kinda started to understand it
[09:30] <Computer__Guru> oh, i always pop out two... but i always hit the elevator floor button twice, too.. never know when that fsckers paying attention
[09:30] <citrus_> elsha:   why do you give  a crap what i do with this guy?  mind your own buisness...
[09:30] <nothingsometing> LMAO
[09:30] <jasoncohen> nothingsometing, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-19280.html
[09:31] <cafuego> my oh my
[09:31] <Computer__Guru> cafuego: hush, this is fun
[09:31] <Computer__Guru> :D
[09:31] <elsha> citrus_ because i wholeheartedly agree with his comments and would have said them myself if he had not
[09:31] <Computer__Guru> oh ur talkin about something else
[09:31] <cafuego> These drives are EIGHT years old
[09:31] <Computer__Guru> don't i feel like a twit
[09:31] <cafuego> and NO errros
[09:31] <nothingsometing> jasoncohen: but i knid of still have some questions about some things within the .conf file
[09:32] <Computer__Guru> just remember, citrus_ .. it really is a GOLDEN rule: It's better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than it is to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
[09:32] <paulproteus> cafuego: "We got Death Star, Death Star..."
[09:32] <siimo> anyone here run breezy
[09:32] <cafuego> paulproteus: No, these are not death stars.
[09:32] <citrus_> more like who ever has the gold makes the rules
[09:32] <hussam> where can I get debs for libfox-dev 1.4 ( hoary has 1.0 and breezy has 1.2 ) ?
[09:32] <hussam> anybody?
[09:32] <citrus_> elsha: pipe down
[09:33] <cafuego> paulproteus: These are 4.1GB SCSI drives
[09:33] <paulproteus> cafuego: I know, it just reminded me of the "Star Wars Gangsta Rap".
[09:33] <Computer__Guru> breezy still scares me.. dont need anything in it so im gonna wait for it
[09:33] <elsha> citrus_, is it because I'm female?
[09:33] <cafuego> paulproteus: The death star (in the other box) works fine, and has worked fine for 4 years now :-)
[09:33] <citrus_> well that helps
[09:33] <paulproteus> cafuego: We've got some 4.1GB SCSI drives from 1994 or 1995 in my computing club office
[09:33] <paulproteus> They came from mainframes.  They run fine, but they're dog-slow.
[09:33] <citrus_> reinforces my point to pipe down
[09:33] <siimo> well ive installed it on a seperate partition just to test it out Computer__Guru
[09:33] <cafuego> paulproteus: I have 'em running in raid mode, for / - all hard I/O happens on the ATA133 (raid) drives
[09:34] <siimo> everythings installed but i cannot figure out xorg config
[09:34] <luke2> In 1995 4.1GB was more than anyone would ever need. Can't even install Win2k on that now.
[09:34] <siimo> it wont startx
[09:34] <cafuego> siimo: Have you checked /topci lately?
[09:34] <paulproteus> cafuego: You mean RAID1 or RAID0?
[09:34] <cafuego> paulproteus: raid1
[09:34] <paulproteus> I guess RAID1, since that's actually RAID.
[09:34] <paulproteus> Right.
[09:34] <cafuego> raid0 is insanity
[09:34] <Computer__Guru> and don't worry, citrus_ . There are indeed times when I run into people who can think pretty circles around me, as well. Though I highly doubt I meet these people nearly as often as you do :) Thank you, drive through.
[09:34] <paulproteus> cafuego: It's like lighting a fire under your pants so you run faster. :)
[09:34] <elsha> citrus_, are you american?
[09:35] <citrus_> elsha: but of course
[09:35] <iceman2k> anyone have the windows xp 64 bit beta ...
[09:35] <cafuego> iceman2k: I did.
[09:35] <elsha> citrus_, are you a redneck?
[09:35] <fragment1981> hi has anyone installed winehq?
[09:35] <Computer__Guru> LOL
[09:35] <iceman2k> cafuego u got a key for it
[09:35] <citrus_> nice......  yeah...     redneck that uses linux....
[09:35] <Computer__Guru> oh that one actually made me laugh
[09:35] <cafuego> iceman2k: Go away.
[09:35] <citrus_> thanks elsha  that made my day
[09:35] <cafuego> iceman2k: This isn't #MSWAREZ
[09:36] <Computer__Guru> elsha:  ten bucks and a stuffed fish says yes
[09:36] <Computer__Guru> i know lots of rednecks that use linux
[09:36] <iceman2k> cafuego i want a duel boot xp 64 beta and ubuntu 64 bit
[09:36] <Computer__Guru> hell, im a tad redneck myself
[09:36] <cafuego> iceman2k: Go and buy a key off microsoft then.
[09:36] <Computer__Guru> that's why im allowed to use the word 'tad' :)
[09:36] <luke2> Me too. I live in lumberjack country.
[09:36] <elsha> I apologise to all other americans in here, but citrus_ you've reinforced all preconceptions i have of americans.
[09:36] <hybrid_goth> Computer__Guru: heh
[09:36] <iceman2k> Lost the one they freakin emailed me ...
[09:37] <iceman2k> for the beta
[09:37] <cafuego> iceman2k: Consider it an omen
[09:37] <Computer__Guru> elsha:  I'm born and raised in the good ole U S of A
[09:37] <iceman2k> lol ;-)
[09:37] <luke2> elsha: While you pre-apologized for that, it is a rash generalization. The *smart* Americans really do know how to keep their mouths shut.
[09:37] <Computer__Guru> I'm just educated, and well presented :)
[09:37] <iceman2k> need winblows to run my apps ... games ...
[09:37] <citrus_> hahaha......  i enjoy making 32 bucks an hour....   i also enjoy beer...    and i enjoy tequila....     if that makes me a redneck  then FUCK so be it  i am a RED NECK!!
[09:37] <cafuego> .. or even think before they open them.
[09:38] <Computer__Guru> and I think before I speak.....
[09:38] <cafuego> iceman2k: Check the channel name again.
[09:38] <paulproteus> iceman2k: The key for what?
[09:38] <paulproteus> The Windows thing?
[09:38] <paulproteus> Oh, I see.  Somehow I thought you were asking for a WineHQ key, which made no sense.
[09:38] <elsha> citrus_, do you like your sister... in /that/ sort of way?
[09:38] <Computer__Guru> but that's okay
[09:38] <luke2> elsha: The major problem with us Americans is that it *seems* like we don't care what goes on in the world. The fact is, our media is so polluted with garbage and lies (even controlled by the government despite "freedom of press!". So we just don't watch the news. Unless it's BBC.
[09:38] <paulproteus> elsha: ...?
[09:38] <iceman2k> got ubuntu 64 here ... just build the system... amd athlon xp 64 2800 ... blows my p4 2.8 Ghz away
[09:39] <cafuego> luke2: The BBC is justa s polluted, just by a different government. There's no point.
[09:39] <paulproteus> cafuego: Are you sure?  Have you seen American news lately? :)
[09:39] <paulproteus> It's gotten worse over the past four years or so.
[09:39] <Computer__Guru> all that persecution paid off.. cause now it's me who can land the high-paying salary and company car in exchange for less work than i would do pretty much anywhere else except for at home.. All those jocks are now used-car salesmen with potbellies and kids that dont listen.
[09:39] <luke2> cafuego: While true. You really should watch MSNBC or CNN once in a while.
[09:39] <cafuego> paulproteus: No, i haven't. I've not seen much point (ever)
[09:40] <cafuego> They're probably as crap as whatever Murdoch owns
[09:40] <Agrajag> hell with that, have him dive straight into FOX NEWS, FAIR AND BALANCED
[09:40] <Agrajag> and so on
[09:40] <citrus_> elsha:  my sister died 2 years ago in  a car accident...   we threw her ashes in the lake were we live next too...   i really loved her....  thanks
[09:40] <iceman2k> Was just hoping some one might have a beta key .. Screw sending microshaft $250.00 for the 64 bit winblows
[09:40] <luke2> cauego: BBC is so much better than MSNBC and CNN. And for most of us with satellite, it's all we got.
[09:40] <citrus_> bitch
[09:41] <luke2> Damn, I should watch my typos.
[09:41] <salapoliisi> !theme
[09:41] <ubotu> it has been said that theme is http://art.gnome.org - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/
[09:41] <Computer__Guru> hey now.
[09:41] <elsha> lol
[09:41] <cafuego> Agrajag: I tried that when the bombings in london happened, but they were only flashing "TERROR IN LONDON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" on the screen.
[09:41] <citrus_> elsha: where are you from?
[09:41] <cafuego> Then my tv exploded
[09:41] <Agrajag> what, no actual information?
[09:41] <Agrajag> hah
[09:41] <citrus_> nevermind  let me check
[09:41] <luke2> Fox is just as polluted as CNN.
[09:41] <Computer__Guru> you really need to calm down. if the little world in front of you upsets you THAT much, you should think about turning it off, and going outside to find alternative forms of entertainment.
[09:42] <luke2> We have a serious lack of good news coverage when it comes to politics in the US.
[09:42] <hybrid_goth> blogges pwn all networks
[09:42] <paulproteus> luke2: For those of you lucky to have Satellite :).  I'm in college in Baltimore, and my apartment gets only broadcast.
[09:42] <paulproteus> hybrid_goth: "bloggers" or "blogs"?  Your spelling mistakes make it hard to understand you.
[09:42] <luke2> paulproteus: Great, so you get CBS/NBC/ABC and FOX if you're lucky. Poor bastard.
[09:42] <hybrid_goth> bloggers
[09:42] <paulproteus> luke2: Thanks.... ;)
[09:42] <hybrid_goth> or blogs either way
[09:42] <paulproteus> Hey, typos are like the "voice noise" from cell phones translated to IRC.
[09:43] <elsha> i know i'm entertained. although the american comment really was just to stir citrus_ guys. stupid people live in every country. it's just that our stupid people have funny accents, yours are just annoying
[09:43] <Computer__Guru> And honestly, fun time is over. You're getting way too far bent out of shape because you're not a good loser and can't roll with the punches, and you seem to now be genuinely upset. Maybe you should click it off for a spell, eh?
[09:43] <luke2> Well, I could at least learn to watch the typos when typing other's nicknames.
[09:43] <elwood> hi
[09:43] <Computer__Guru> Not to mention, we're as off-topic as we can get
[09:43] <paulproteus> elsha: Similarly, there are funny-accented Americans (read: South) that are stupid and non-stupid.
[09:43] <citrus_> elsha:   thanks    you make my day too
[09:44] <cafuego> that was totally uncalled for
[09:44] <thoreauputic> cafuego: yes, SBS surprises us by actually saying what's happening in the world :)
[09:44] <Madpilot> everyone, there *is* an #ubuntu-offtopic - and this isn't it...
[09:44] <cafuego> thoreauputic: Refreshing, innit? :-)
[09:44] <thoreauputic> cafuego: indeed
[09:45] <citrus_> elsha: g'day mate  ya fucking kangaroo lover....     keep your mouth shut
[09:45] <cafuego> that was ALSO totally uncalled for
[09:45] <luke2> Every time I come in here I start the offtopic rants in the wrong channel.
[09:45] <Computer__Guru> hey dude, seriously. lets cut it quits, you're waaaay too emotional over this now.
[09:45] <cafuego> !ops
[09:45] <ubotu> Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, fooishbar, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmich, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia!
[09:45] <elsha> citrus_, your wit and vocabulary never ceases to amaze me
[09:45] <citrus_> i bet
[09:45] <citrus_> your must be impressed
[09:45] <Computer__Guru> notice my exxageration of a's there, see even i do it sometimes.. it's okay man
[09:46] <elsha> well, citrus_, i am departing. farewell
[09:46] <citrus_> you*
[09:46] <citrus_> thank god
[09:46] <paulproteus> Good bye, elsha.
[09:46] <luke2> Bye elsha
[09:46] <citrus_> bye elsha
[09:46] <Computer__Guru> bye elsha :)
[09:46] <luke2> I need another bottle of pinot noir.
[09:46] <necrogami> lol
[09:47] <citrus_> some scotch...  some burban and some beer  sounds good to me luke2
[09:47] <necrogami> anyone alive to answer questions?
[09:47] <Computer__Guru> you okay man
[09:47] <citrus_> sure
[09:47] <Computer__Guru> ?
[09:47] <Computer__Guru> necrogami:  what's up?
[09:47] <luke2> One scotch, one burboun, and one beeerrr.
[09:47] <necrogami> ok gotta few questions
[09:47] <citrus_> drunk   still can help necrogami with his questions
[09:47] <elwood> luke2, good!
[09:47] <Computer__Guru> i can answer a couple but my son has a cookout tomorrow, so i gotta hit the sack soon
[09:47] <citrus_> luke2: amaze me and tell me who sings that
[09:47] <luke2> elwood: Until I learn to spell bourbon, yes.
[09:47] <elwood> :)
[09:48] <elwood> necrogami, ask me
[09:48] <luke2> citrus_ George Thorogood?
[09:48] <Computer__Guru> hank williams jr.
[09:48] <Computer__Guru> but it's one scotch, one whisky, one beer
[09:48] <necrogami> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/826 Thats what i get while trying to apt-get install gaim
[09:48] <citrus_> thanks....  also i love the song  i drink alone ... cuz i happen to be alone tonight
[09:48] <Computer__Guru> :>
[09:48] <luke2> The THorogood version is Bourbon.
[09:48] <elwood> necrogami, install dependeces
[09:48] <citrus_> Computer__Guru:  yeah luke is right
[09:48] <necrogami> cant
[09:48] <necrogami> apt-get fails
[09:48] <luke2> Never heard Hank William Jr. version. Don't care for country much.
[09:49] <Computer__Guru> I can recite the three latest 50cent or Game songs, too :D
[09:49] <Computer__Guru> oh is it?
[09:49] <Computer__Guru> he sounds like him :>
[09:49] <elwood> i have the one with john lee hooker and it's bourbon
[09:49] <luke2> I'm a nut for classic rock and blues.
[09:49] <Madpilot> guys - #ubuntu-off-topic, remember?
[09:49] <elwood> yep :)
[09:50] <ValheruLord> hi all.... can i make my termianl at ctrl-alt-f1 green ???
[09:50] <luke2> If we were in offtopic (per Madpilot), I'd have you guys test my classic rock trivia.
[09:50] <Computer__Guru> I love both, but don't get as much chance to listen to them as I'd like now that the kids are developing musical preferences my time is out the window :D
[09:50] <Xyc0> What would be a fun game to install on a laptop?
[09:50] <necrogami> Xyc0 how powerful of a laptop?
[09:50] <elwood> XandriX, quake! ;P
[09:50] <Xyc0> necrogami: pretty strong
[09:50] <Madpilot> anyway I need to sleep. good night/morning/whatever
[09:50] <elwood> necrogami, have you solved youe problem?
[09:50] <Poromies> Xyc0: freeciv o/
[09:50] <paulproteus> Good {timeperiod}, Madpilot.
[09:50] <necrogami> http://www.autoassault.com
[09:50] <necrogami> no
[09:50] <Computer__Guru> citrus_:  type /join #Ubuntu-OffTopic
[09:51] <luke2> Bye Madpilot.
[09:51] <Xyc0> Civ 3 is better
[09:51] <elwood> necrogami,  you can't install the dependencies?
[09:51] <necrogami> apt-get failes
[09:51] <necrogami> what is the package name for GTK?
[09:51] <elwood> gtk2.0
[09:51] <paulproteus> necrogami: Because you misspelled fails, I thought you were trying to install a package called failes.
[09:51] <Computer__Guru> actually, nvm
[09:52] <elwood> but it's better to apt-cache search gtk
[09:52] <necrogami> no
[09:52] <Computer__Guru> i need to go to sleep real soon
[09:52] <Computer__Guru> it's creepin on 4
[09:52] <Computer__Guru> cookout at 1
[09:52] <luke> Bah, only one here.
[09:52] <necrogami> apt-get install gtk
[09:52] <necrogami> ?
[09:52] <Computer__Guru> eek
[09:52] <luke> You can stick it out.
[09:52] <paulproteus> Computer__Guru: I slept from 6pm to 2am.  I'm in your time zone, but my body doesn't think so. :)
[09:52] <necrogami> um hello
[09:53] <luke> Heh, paulproteus you just woke up.
[09:53] <paulproteus> luke: Stop making fun of me! ;)
[09:53] <paulproteus> Now that I've been up for two hours and spent them both on IRC, I'm going to make myself an omelette.
[09:53] <elwood> with  laptop i love playing supertux
[09:53] <Computer__Guru> paulproteus:  yeah, i stayed up all night last night so i could get back on a regular schedule and here i am at four-friggen-oclock in the morning getting ready to go to bed again.. now allt hat's gonna happen is my alarm probably wont wake me up.. ballz
[09:53] <Belutz> paulproteus: make that 2 omelettes... 1 for me please :D
[09:53] <luke> paulproteus: Good idea. If I weren't too drunk to cook I'd do the same.
[09:54] <necrogami> What the heck
[09:54] <thoreauputic> necrogami: if you can't install gaim, your /etc/spt/sources.list is wrong
[09:54] <thoreauputic> */etc/apt/sources.list
[09:54] <Computer__Guru> i was third shift on my last project
[09:54] <Computer__Guru> this project starts monday and is first
[09:54] <Computer__Guru> this should be fun...
[09:54] <necrogami> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/827 .....
[09:55] <necrogami> thats my Sources list
[09:55] <luke> Well, at least you had the cookout Computer__Guru.
[09:55] <necrogami> is that wrong?
[09:55] <thoreauputic> necrogami: looking
[09:55] <Computer__Guru> if i get up for it. if i dont my wife's gonna kick my ass
[09:55] <luke> Well, tell her who's boss. ;)
[09:55] <thoreauputic> necrogami: you lack the lines for "main"
[09:55] <Computer__Guru> so fare-thee-well, #Ubuntu. Mayhaps on the morror, shall we meet again.
[09:56] <Computer__Guru> morrow
[09:56] <luke> Okay. g'morrow?
[09:56] <Computer__Guru> dUrp dUrp
[09:56] <necrogami> can you give me a example line? for main
[09:57] <thoreauputic>  deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[09:57] <thoreauputic>  deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[09:57] <luke> Well. I guess I'll go grab some torrents.
[09:57] <hmmf> anyone set up a webcam on ubuntu?
[09:58] <luke> I'm out.
[09:58] <thoreauputic> necrogami: that's for main and updates
[09:58] <necrogami> yea
[09:58] <necrogami> did my udpate
[09:58] <necrogami> update
[09:58] <hmmf> what apps use it just to give us a starting point
[09:59] <necrogami> apt-get install gaim still fails
[09:59] <thoreauputic> necrogami: did you add the second line as well?
[09:59] <hmmf> try getting amsn its a better clone for msmessenger and works
[09:59] <Ag-Streak> Erm, Hi again. I just now tried booting off both a i386 and 64bit version of Ubuntu Live. Both times, after it loads, I have corrupt graphics :(
[10:00] <necrogami> awesome man thanks
[10:00] <hmmf> what screen is it a flat one?
[10:00] <Ag-Streak> I can get to the command prompt with ctrl/alt f1, but there are no error messages. If I do Ctrl+alt+backspace, it apparently reloads the interface, still with corruption.
[10:00] <hmmf> try nofb
[10:01] <thoreauputic> necrogami: working now?
[10:01] <Ag-Streak> Hmmf: if you're speaking with me, no. It's a standard CRT monitor.
[10:01] <hmmf> weird
[10:01] <necrogami> yep installed
[10:01] <Ag-Streak> nofb? What does that do? (I'm a linux newb)
[10:01] <luke> Bah, changed my mind. Nothing to do. I'm back.
[10:01] <thoreauputic> necrogami: :)
[10:01] <necrogami> thanks man
[10:01] <hmmf> no frame buffers for lcd screens
[10:01] <Ag-Streak> ah.
[10:01] <necrogami> next part isnt gonna be fun
[10:02] <necrogami> .. unless someone knows how to make a beowulf cluster install easy?
[10:02] <hmmf> not I
[10:03] <necrogami> hehe 15 Machine 64Bit Dual AMD Opteron Machines ~.~
[10:03] <Ag-Streak> Anyone have any other idea what would cause this?
[10:03] <hmmf> do you get any image?
[10:03] <hmmf> or just black
[10:04] <hmmf> or bailing out with error msg
[10:04] <Ag-Streak> Yep. It's green/orange and has numerous vertical scanlines.
[10:04] <hmmf> have you tried the livecd
[10:04] <Ag-Streak> I can see new windows pop up, I think, but the image is so bizarrely corrupt I can't make otu any text, nor my cursor
[10:04] <Ag-Streak> Hmmf: thats what I'm trying to use :P
[10:05] <parabolize> what would be the fastest way of downloading and burning packages to CD? I need to get ndiswrapper and a kernel version that will work with ndiswrapper on a CD.
[10:05] <hmmf> oh ok
[10:05] <Ag-Streak> I've now tried the a64 version, and the i386 version.
[10:05] <Ag-Streak> I'm  thinking of trying the kubuntu distro, seeing if that'll work.
[10:05] <elsha> just had a thought... has anyone heard of ubuntu screensavers causing computer to freeze?
[10:05] <Ag-Streak> But I can't figure out what would cause the corrupt graphics.
[10:06] <hmmf> at the boot prompt try setting the resolution low
[10:06] <Ag-Streak> How?
[10:06] <hmmf> press F1 and see if any of the help has something sounding like it would do that
[10:06] <Ag-Streak> Ah.
[10:06] <Ag-Streak> Ok.
[10:06] <Dartsani> elsha...mine doesnt freeze but that screensaver daemon or whatever doesnt respond sometimes=cannot lock the screen until i restart it
[10:07] <Ag-Streak> Hrm.
[10:07] <hmmf> like display 800x600 or something
[10:07] <Ag-Streak> I've tried 1024x768 and 800x600 before. But the prompt during the config only showed up in the a64 version.
[10:07] <hmmf> what sort of card is it nvidia or ati?
[10:08] <Ag-Streak> nVidia
[10:08] <hmmf> typical
[10:08] <hmmf> good guess hey :/
[10:08] <hmmf> mines nvidia and works on 1280x1024
[10:08] <Ag-Streak> Hrm...
[10:08] <Ag-Streak> I'll attempt that.
[10:08] <Ag-Streak> Thanks for the info.
[10:09] <hmmf> np
[10:10] <hussam> anyone knows where I can get libfox-dev 1.4? hoary das 1.0 and breezy has 1.2
[10:11] <TinyIRC> i love ubuntu
[10:11] <hmmf> its nice isn't it
[10:11] <john_jo> yes
[10:11] <hmmf> pretty
[10:12] <hmmf> I like the kde stuff
[10:12] <john_jo> how to install kde?
[10:13] <hmmf> put your install CD in the apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:13] <hmmf> the=then
[10:13] <thoreauputic> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:14] <hmmf> with the ubuntu CD in it
[10:14] <drummer87> hi all, anyone here that can halp with webalizer?
[10:14] <elsha> Dartsani, hmm, ok
[10:14] <thoreauputic> hmmf: not needed unless youhaven't commented the CD line out in /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:15] <john_jo> can install kde with ubuntu cd?
[10:15] <hmmf> I'm just going by what I read on the page, keeps it simple
[10:15] <john_jo> which web pages?
[10:15] <john_jo> website
[10:16] <thoreauputic> john_jo: just type the command I gave above
[10:16] <hmmf> the default file:/// ones
[10:16] <thoreauputic> that's it
[10:16] <drummer87> john_jo, only with the kubuntu cd can u install kubuntu-desktop
[10:16] <nomad> Hey all
[10:16] <drummer87> thoreauputic's command will get the package from the ubuntu servers
[10:16] <drummer87> just do that
[10:16] <thoreauputic> yup
[10:16] <hmmf> mine downloaded all the kubuntu stuff with the ubuntu disk in
[10:17] <sexcopter8001m> can anyone recommend a programme to rip cd's, other than soundjuicer?
[10:17] <thoreauputic> hmmf: yes, having the disk in won't hurt
[10:17] <hmmf> might speed it up for slow connections
[10:17] <Polygon_Pusher> Hey all .. i just installed Ubuntu and noticed something almost alarming. ....
[10:18] <Polygon_Pusher> it never let me pick a root password .... what's the deal with that?
[10:18] <drummer87> sexcopter8000m, goobox
[10:18] <thoreauputic> !root
[10:18] <ubotu> I guess root is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:18] <hmmf> it puts you in sudoers and you can sudo
[10:18] <thoreauputic> Polygon_Pusher: read ubotu's URL
[10:18] <bob2> Polygon_Pusher: the installer did explain that
[10:18] <hmmf> use your user pass
[10:19] <Polygon_Pusher> i must have been makin' dinner when that popped up
[10:19] <hmmf> then if you want while you are root you can do passwd and add a passwd
[10:19] <sexcopter8001m> thanks drummer87
[10:19] <john_jo> how to install adsl client?
[10:19] <hmmf> just guessing there I haven't bothered
[10:19] <john_jo> rp-pppoe
[10:20] <necrogami> Does Ubuntu have an Active Package Directory?
[10:20] <marcel_> How is it that the GDM flexiserver worked a few weeks ago but does not now?
[10:20] <Polygon_Pusher> thanks thoreauputic, bob2, and hmmf it's all squared away
[10:21] <marcel_> I wish to have 2 people logged into the same PC at the same time
[10:21] <necrogami> Active package Directory = Same as http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/packages
[10:21] <marcel_> as in windows XP style
[10:21] <marcel_> so I can switch users
[10:22] <necrogami> Marcel
[10:22] <necrogami> install KDE
[10:22] <necrogami> it works
[10:22] <marcel_> it doesnt
[10:22] <marcel_> you mean KDM?
[10:22] <necrogami> yes
[10:22] <rob^> xnest
[10:22] <bob2> wtf
[10:22] <thoreauputic> marcel_: what errors do you see running gdmflexiserver from a terminal ?
[10:22] <marcel_> No, it does not work
[10:23] <marcel_> ok
[10:23] <bob2> marcel_: applications -> system -> new login
[10:23] <marcel_> bear with me. I may crash
[10:23] <marcel_> brb
[10:25] <necrogami> Does Ubuntu have an Active Package Directory?? Active package Directory as in the Same as http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/packages
[10:26] <bob2> packages.ubuntu.com
[10:26] <hmmf> necrogami I'd say the closest you'd get is the distro CD
[10:27] <necrogami> ~.~ annoying when trying to find out package or package name
[10:28] <thoreauputic> necrogami:  apt-cache search <keywords>
[10:28] <necrogami> yea i know
[10:28] <necrogami> still just annoying a bit
[10:29] <john_jo> i going to install ubuntu 5.04
[10:31] <hmmf> john_jo that will find and sort your adsl if you leave it hooked up while you install I think
[10:32] <necrogami> thoreauputic: packages.ubuntu.com
[10:34] <salapoliisi> name of the direct connect client for linux?
[10:34] <yo2k> hi all...
[10:34] <bob2> apt-cache search direct connect dc
[10:36] <yo2k> i'm 1st inst ubuntu 5.04, (i install a server), how i add/install a new application (like php4)
[10:36] <salapoliisi> thanks bob2, i did try that with synaptic but no results
[10:36] <Madeye> guys, who's in charge for Ubuntu launchpad? i'm having some troubles
[10:37] <bob2> Madeye: #launchpad
[10:37] <Aspergeric> yo2k, try:: sudo apt-get install php4
[10:37] <bob2> yo2k: try aptitude, sudo aptitude install php4
[10:37] <Belutz> i'm bored with computer huehuehue
[10:37] <elwood> guys
[10:38] <yo2k> i use apt-get install php4, error : (e) couldn't find package php4...
[10:38] <hmmf> try googling for it
[10:39] <elwood> i'll start to sell pc with ubuntu pre installed
[10:39] <Aspergeric> yo2k, u need to update the repositories
[10:39] <elwood> any idea for the advertisment?
[10:39] <yo2k> Aspergeric: the url is not found
[10:39] <Belutz> elwood: PC's for human beings? :D
[10:40] <yo2k> i use us.archive.ubuntu.com/xxxx
[10:40] <thoreauputic> yo2k: apt-cache policy php4  says it's in main, so something is wrong with your sources or you didn't run apt-get update
[10:40] <elwood> Belutz, sure...but i mean..short line to make the people choose linux instead of win xp
[10:41] <Aspergeric> elwood, "no virus, no spyware..."
[10:41] <thoreauputic> yo2k: ah.. try removing the us. from your URLs and then update ( the us archive has had some issues in the past)
[10:41] <Belutz> elwood: more friendly, more customizable, no virus, free support @ #ubuntu :p
[10:41] <elwood> Aspergeric, this is the immediatly attrctive
[10:42] <elwood> Belutz,  lol
[10:42] <elwood> i wil be the first in my town :)
[10:42] <Belutz> HappyFool: hi :)
[10:42] <yo2k> thoreauputic, i change to id, error mess is same...
[10:42] <HappyFool> Hey Belutz
[10:43] <Belutz> elwood: "Computer is a computer, Computer is not a Windows" :D
[10:43] <zaguar> what's a decent cd ripping tool for ubuntu - like eac for windows
[10:43] <thoreauputic> yo2k: does it say something about "cannot stat.... " Or what is the error ?
[10:43] <Belutz> HappyFool: how r u?
[10:43] <HappyFool> Belutz: cold but otherwise fine. how are you?
[10:43] <paulproteus> zaguar: Sound Juicer is pretty good.
[10:43] <Belutz> HappyFool: i'm fine, just a little dissappointed
[10:43] <paulproteus> Anything that uses cdparanoia as its backend is good, zaguar.
[10:44] <HappyFool> Belutz: with?
[10:44] <yo2k> thoreauputic, yes, can't stat source package list
[10:44] <Belutz> HappyFool: the lecturer jobs in my campus is full :(
[10:45] <paulproteus> yo2k: You need to run apt-get update or aptitude update
[10:45] <paulproteus> You may need to run aptitude update twice for it to take full effect.
[10:45] <thoreauputic> yo2k: can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list on pastebin.com and give us the URL?
[10:46] <yo2k> thoreauputic, ok...
[10:46] <HappyFool> Belutz: you were hoping to lecture?
[10:46] <Belutz> HappyFool: yup... so i could get a scholarship for my master degree
[10:46] <thoreauputic> yo2k: yes.... you *did* run apt-get update, didn't you?
[10:46] <Belutz> HappyFool: and to influence the campus to use linux :p
[10:47] <HappyFool> Belutz: ah
[10:48] <Belutz> HappyFool: :D but I already influence some of my lecturers to install linux in the comp lab
[10:48] <elwood> Belutz, you are assumed!
[10:48] <Belutz> elwood: :D
[10:48] <yo2k> thoreauputic, i still this apt-get update, i use archive.buntu.com, and update still proses (70%)
[10:48] <HappyFool> Belutz: where are you studying?
[10:48] <marcel_> Well
[10:49] <Belutz> HappyFool: overseas study @ Univ. Of Wollongong
[10:49] <thoreauputic> yo2k: I didn't really understand that...
[10:49] <Belutz> HappyFool: i do my study in Jakarta, but i'll get the degree from Univ. of Wollongong
[10:49] <elsha> hehe, wollongong
[10:49] <HappyFool> Belutz: ok, cool
[10:50] <yo2k> thoreauputic, sorry my spoken is bad...
[10:50] <Belutz> elsha: you in aussie right? :D
[10:50] <marcel_> gdmflexiserver works but when I switch VTs with ctrl alt Fx, X restarts and I cant switch back to my session
[10:50] <marcel_> :S
[10:50] <thoreauputic> yo2k: I assume you meant that you are currently running the update?
[10:50] <elsha> a mate of mine use to do cs at wollongong uni
[10:50] <yo2k> thoreauputic, yup...
[10:50] <elsha> Belutz, yeah, im in perth
[10:50] <Belutz> elsha: ic ic
[10:50] <marcel_> and kde does the same
[10:50] <marcel_> or kdm
[10:50] <Belutz> elsha: i'll be going to wollongong in december for graduation ceremony
[10:51] <marcel_> does anyone know what the problem is?
[10:51] <elsha> Belutz, ah, cool. The gong - junkie central :)
[10:52] <yo2k> thoreauputic, i had apste my source.list at pastebin.com
[10:52] <thoreauputic> elsha: UoW computer science dept ahs a good reputation :)
[10:52] <thoreauputic> *has
[10:53] <dabaR> yo2k: did you post what your sources.list looks like to a pastebin?
[10:53] <yo2k> yup
[10:53] <yo2k> dabaR, yes
[10:53] <thoreauputic> yo2k: when your update finishes, try again with your php4 or whatever it was
[10:53] <thoreauputic> yo2k: you need to tell us the URL ;)
[10:53] <elsha> thoreauputic, it probably does, but that doesnt stop Wollongong being full of junkies :)
[10:54] <yo2k> thoreauputic, i had paste my source.list at pastebin.com
[10:54] <thoreauputic> elsha: heh - mostly around the station from what I've seen ;) I live in the 'gong
[10:54] <ado> hey people!
[10:54] <yo2k> ok, i try to install another...
[10:55] <thoreauputic> yo2k: umm - yes but what number etc? we would need a full URL
[10:55] <marcel_> has anyone had probs switching virtual terminals in ubuntu?
[10:55] <dabaR> yo2k: what are you trying to do?
[10:55] <dabaR> marcel_: whats that mean?
[10:56] <paulproteus> marcel_: Nope, works fine for me. ;)
[10:56] <paulproteus> Ctrl-Alt-F1 takes you to tty1, right marcel_?
[10:56] <marcel_> CTRL ALT F1 etc
[10:56] <dabaR> thoreauputic: his post can be seen on the left.
[10:56] <thoreauputic> elsha: Oh yes - there's the Port Kembla import central of course ;)
[10:56] <dabaR> marcel_: problems like what?
[10:56] <yo2k> dabaR, to install php
[10:56] <dabaR> php what?
[10:56] <dabaR> sudo aptitude install what?
[10:56] <yo2k> php4
[10:56] <marcel_> paulproteus,  yes, but when I switch back to my X session, gdm restarts
[10:56] <yo2k> dabaR, php4
[10:57] <paulproteus> marcel_: Oh.
[10:57] <dabaR> yo2k: and what is the rpbolem?
[10:57] <paulproteus> marcel_: What video driver?
[10:57] <bob2> yo2k: do you mean "How do I get support for php4 in apache2?"
[10:57] <marcel_> paulproteus, via
[10:57] <paulproteus> marcel_: Try just starting a plain X server without GDM running.
[10:58] <marcel_> brb
[10:58] <yo2k> bob2, 1st i suces to install apache2 with apt-get install apache2 ( with cd ) then i wan to install php4
[10:58] <bob2> yo2k: sudo aptitude install libapache2-mod-php4 apache2
[10:58] <zachary> hello anyone active
[10:58] <paulproteus> zachary: Yes.
[10:58] <Poromies> hullo all
[10:59] <zachary> paul i just installed as a dual boot on a winbox
[10:59] <yo2k> bob2, ok, i tri, and how i configure my eth2 ( my pc has 2 nic)
[10:59] <yo2k> bob2, sorry, eth1
[10:59] <Poromies> i have a small problem here with updating
[10:59] <bob2> yo2k: edit /etc/network/interfaces
[10:59] <djp> how many cd's would be needed to obtain all packages from the base and universe repos? i gather it is possible to obtain all the packages on to cd and then install packages from that media?
[10:59] <paulproteus> djp: Yeah, but it'd be some ten to eighteen CDs, iirc.
[10:59] <bob2> djp: 14
[10:59] <Poromies> my synaptic tells me this: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/ia32-libs_0.5ubuntu3.1_amd64.deb:  error creating symbolic link `./usr/lib32/libGL.so.1': Tiedostoa tai hakemistoa ei ole
[10:59] <bob2> per architecture
[10:59] <Poromies> the last part is basicly "No such file or directory"
[10:59] <zachary> when i had installed before on a seperate harddrive on the same box i was able to get screen resolutions 1028x7**
[10:59] <djp> bob2: like debian, right?
[11:00] <dabaR> no.
[11:00] <bob2> djp: it will be roughtly the same, yes
[11:00] <zachary> now, all i have is 640x480
[11:00] <djp> cheers
[11:00] <yo2k> bob2, ok..., thank's for attn... i try it ...
[11:00] <Poromies> anyone know how to solve this? i cant run systemupdate, it fails to that error
[11:00] <paulproteus> zachary: You installed the latest relase, Hoary, yes?
[11:00] <zachary> yes
[11:00] <djp> wnat to get a lite ubuntu install on my parents pc. howver they do not have an internet connection
[11:00] <bob2> Poromies: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[11:01] <vladuz976> hi, what does VFS stand for? i see it in the ubuntu startup and i get an error
[11:01] <bob2> vladuz976: show us the whole error
[11:01] <paulproteus> Virtual File System
[11:01] <dabaR> djp: ya, theyll need all the packages...;/
[11:01] <zachary> i looked at the xorg.conf file and it had it so that i could have the better resolutions but in the system prefrences it doesn't have the better resolutions listed
[11:02] <djp> cheers dabaR
[11:02] <vladuz976> bob2: it just says "VFS: couldn't find ext3 filesystem on /dev/hda1"
[11:02] <dabaR> cheers!
[11:02] <salapoliisi> amm, i installed and configured cvscedega, but how do i run it?
[11:02] <arnonym> zachary: take a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see why the higher resolutions are not available
[11:02] <sintija> tyope in console cedega setup.exe
[11:02] <salapoliisi> it said that the command is cvscedega, but it doesn't work, someone has expirience of this?
[11:03] <ubuntu> jfs
[11:03] <ubuntu> asd
[11:03] <paulproteus> There's always someone in #ubuntu called "ubuntu".
[11:03] <Poromies> bob2: ok im pasteing there right now
[11:03] <ubuntu> ebat'
[11:03] <paulproteus> That's always very funny to me.
[11:03] <paulproteus> ubuntu: How are you this morning?
[11:03] <ubuntu> pideri
[11:03] <ubuntu> i stupid asol
[11:03] <sintija> Does anyone knows howto change user pictures?
[11:04] <vladuz976> bob2: any idea what that does?
[11:04] <paulproteus> sintija: GDM configuration.  System Preferences -> Login manager or something...?
[11:04] <ubuntu> sintia shluha
[11:04] <bob2> vladuz976: then the disk is screwed
[11:04] <bob2> or you've misconfigured grub or fstab
[11:04] <sintija> no - I couldnt find there
[11:05] <vladuz976> bob2: i use raiserfs, is that why?
[11:05] <sintija> in Kcontrol it says that administrator has disabled changing user pictures
[11:05] <dabaR> sintija: try running gdmphotosetup in a terminal
[11:06] <parabolize> ubuntu doesn't look like it has cabextract? if not what does ubuntu have that I could use?
[11:06] <sintija> dabaR - thank you!!!
[11:06] <paulproteus> parabolize: packages.ubuntu.com/cabextract
[11:07] <bob2> vladuz976: what did you change since you last booted?
[11:07] <paulproteus> It's there, but in Universe.
[11:07] <Poromies> bob2: there it went
[11:07] <bob2> and please don't say "I compiled my own kernel"
[11:07] <dabaR> sintija: how does that work?
[11:07] <vladuz976> bob2: just installed ubuntu, only thing i did is pic raiserfs for /root during install
[11:07] <zachary> paul where is excactly should i be looking for this in the log file?
[11:07] <bob2> Poromies: what does "apt-cache policy ia32-libs" print? (#flood)
[11:07] <yo2k> thor-coffee, thank's for attn... ( still install php...)
[11:07] <parabolize> ahh man that means I got to make another disk. :(
[11:07] <dabaR> vladuz976: and also installed grub?
[11:08] <yo2k> dabaR, thank's for attn... ( still install php...)
[11:08] <vladuz976> dabaR: yes
[11:08] <paulproteus> parabolize: Or you could download that specific package.
[11:08] <thor-coffee> yo2k: ah - good luck :)
[11:08] <dabaR> yo2k: well, /msg ubotu lamp
[11:08] <yo2k> thoreauputic, actualy my basic in redhat9...
[11:08] <parabolize> paulproteus, no net on that computer. thats why I'm doing all this
[11:08] <sintija> dabaR - just resizing picture now
[11:08] <paulproteus> parabolize: Ah, I see.
[11:09] <yo2k> and still learning...
[11:09] <djp> somewhere there is a howto with regards installing ubuntu on a low spec pc? does anyone have any idea where that how to is? i know it is part of the ubuntu site, but i have searched and cannot find the thing...
[11:09] <paulproteus> djp: The wiki, iirc.
[11:10] <djp> paulproteus: yeah, i'm searching through there. no joy yet though... thanks by the way
[11:10] <thoreauputic> yo2k: by the way I noticed you have backports in your sources.list - probably not a good move - especially on a server
[11:10] <holycow> djp, ... say what?
[11:10] <Poromies> bob2: so it says its installed and then theres some bitching about those KDE 342 debs not working (dunno about that, seems Kubuntu dont have 64bit versions yet)
[11:10] <holycow> low spec pc?
[11:10] <djp> holycow: yes
[11:10] <zachary> low spec pc=low ram low processor speed
[11:10] <bob2> if by "64bit", you mean "amd64", then yes, kubuntu runs on that
[11:10] <holycow> i had debian sarge installed on a p300 with 64 megs of ram
[11:10] <Poromies> Kubuntu 3.4.2 that is
[11:10] <yo2k> thoreauputic, so any suggest ?
[11:11] <bob2> I'd assume you have some dodgy binary drivers installed
[11:11] <holycow> what sorts of instructions could you possibly need to install it any pc of any spec, beyond 'if its old be patient'?
[11:11] <djp> holycow, like zachary said...
[11:11] <Poromies> yea, i ment amd64 and KDE 3.4.2 that was released like yesterday or so
[11:11] <holycow> its the dumbest question i have seen in here yet
[11:11] <Poromies> what dodgy binary drivers?
[11:11] <holycow> put the cd in and go, jesus
[11:11] <thoreauputic> yo2k: I suggest you comment backports out
[11:11] <zachary> holycow please do not flame
[11:11] <bob2> djp: if you have less than 32 MB of ram, give up
[11:12] <djp> bob2: 32mb on one pc the other has 64mb
[11:12] <bob2> djp: if you have more, do a default install and install blackbox or something later
[11:12] <dabaR> yo2k: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP
[11:12] <paulproteus> holycow: Well, maybe he wants someone to tell him to use Xfce4 rather than GNOME or something.
[11:12] <holycow> but ... its a pc!
[11:12] <yo2k> dabaR, i tri it..., thoreauputic, i tri it too...
[11:12] <zachary> paulproteus: any clue where to look in this log file for the information about the resolution
[11:12] <dabaR> holycow: holy cow!
[11:12] <djp> bob2: sure. there was a really nice guide in the wiki. just wanted to give it a read. thanks for your advice though. always welcomed! :)
[11:13] <holycow> how can anyone need instructions to install it on 64 meg ram machine, versus a 1 gig ram system?
[11:13] <dabaR> yo2k: dont try, use that page as I said, to set it up, there is nothing else to do than read it and follow.
[11:13] <dabaR> holycow: holy cow!
[11:13] <yo2k> dabaR, ok, i follow that urls...
[11:14] <djp> thanks for the advice holycow ;)
[11:14] <holycow> djp, i don't mean to flame, but it doesn't get any simpler than debian/ubuntu ... as bob2 said if you have 32 megs ram you will probably spend most of your time waiting for the system to page out, but it may even tell you that you don't have enough ram
[11:14] <zachary> paulproteus: i found this:
[11:15] <vladuz976> bob2: so youdon't know what that VFS is?
[11:15] <bob2> vladuz976: yes, of course  I know what the VFS is
[11:15] <paulproteus> zachary: If you want to paste the whole log into a pastebin I'll read it.
[11:15] <bob2> I don't know how you managed to get that error, tho
[11:15] <dabaR> vladuz976: it means your system thinks that there is ext3, and you have reiserfs
[11:15] <yo2k> dabaR, where is the root document for standart in apache ? ( in rh9 == var/www/html)
[11:15] <vladuz976> bob2: yeah, but it works. i just wonder if this is something i should fix
[11:16] <paulproteus> yo2k: /var/www
[11:16] <dabaR> /var/www
[11:16] <Belutz> yo2k: /var/www
[11:16] <arnonym>  /var/www :-)
[11:16] <djp> holycow: i have actually installed the default gnome install of warty on the 32mb machine without a problem. it worked but obviously was extremely slow. i just wanted to find a nicely written low ram install howto on the wiki that advised on preferable programs to install on a low-spec machine. it was out of interest really.
[11:16] <yo2k> thank's guys...
[11:16] <dabaR> also you can set it up different in the config file for apache.
[11:16] <dabaR> welcom'e
[11:16] <Belutz> :)
[11:16] <paulproteus> yo2k: http://www.angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif
[11:16] <Belutz> but i prefer installed the apache+php by compiling from source
[11:17] <dabaR> there is one, too, dunno what the heck holycow is talking about.
[11:17] <dabaR> djp^
[11:17] <holycow> djp, sound slike you mean to ask 'how to improve performance on a low spec pc'
[11:17] <holycow> and yes there are a lot of ways indeed
[11:17] <zachary> paul it has the supported vesa modes:
[11:18] <zachary> (II) I810(0): Supported VESA Video Modes:
[11:18] <zachary> (II) I810(0): 720x400@70Hz
[11:18] <zachary> (II) I810(0): 640x480@60Hz
[11:18] <zachary> (II) I810(0): 640x480@75Hz
[11:18] <zachary> (II) I810(0): 800x600@60Hz
[11:18] <zachary> (II) I810(0): 800x600@75Hz
[11:18] <holycow> first thing you would throw out is gnome, and install a lightweight destkop environment
[11:18] <zachary> (II) I810(0): 832x624@75Hz
[11:18] <zachary> (II) I810(0): 1024x768@60Hz
[11:18] <zachary> (II) I810(0): 1024x768@75Hz
[11:18] <zachary> sorry about pasting in here
[11:18] <paulproteus> zachary: Please, the pastebin.
[11:18] <dabaR> haha, funny flower
[11:18] <yo2k> dabaR, where is the file config apache ? ( httpd.conf or... ?
[11:18] <dabaR> ya
[11:18] <zachary> how do i do that
[11:18] <zachary> sorry
[11:18] <dabaR> not sure where it is, look for it in /etc
[11:19] <holycow> and you really could get a decent performing system with a lightweight desktop, you just wont be running things like open office on it, but maybe only using 'lighter' apps would go a long way
[11:19] <zachary> <noob
[11:19] <paulproteus> dabaR: /etc/apache/
[11:19] <holycow> as for installing on a low spec pc, the question just doesn't make sense
[11:19] <dabaR> sure
[11:19] <holycow> okay i admit, i'm being pedantic :)
[11:19] <dabaR> holycow: shup
[11:19] <holycow> dabaR, fuck off
[11:19] <dabaR> haha
[11:19] <dabaR> later
[11:19] <bob2> er
[11:19] <thoreauputic> holycow: it was pretty obvious what he meant
[11:20] <bob2> we do have a code of conduct, folks
[11:20] <thoreauputic> !conduct
[11:20] <ubotu> well, conduct is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/document_view
[11:21] <paulproteus> pedantic++
[11:23] <yo2k> bob2, how i restart my service apache2 ?
[11:23] <arnonym>  /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[11:23] <yo2k> ok... thank's...
[11:23] <paulproteus> yo2k: No!
[11:23] <paulproteus> There is no apostrophe in "thanks"!
[11:24] <paulproteus> See also angry flower cartoon.
[11:24] <zachary> paulproteus how do i "paste bin " you the log?
[11:24] <yo2k> paulproteus, qe2x...
[11:24] <paulproteus> Thanks, thoreauputic :)
[11:25] <paulproteus> zachary: There's a "paste here" link in the topic
[11:25] <paulproteus> Go there, and paste your whole file in to the web form.
[11:25] <paulproteus> Once you're done with that, it'll give you a URL.
[11:25] <paulproteus> Hand me the URL.
[11:25] <paulproteus> BTW, if someone wants to turn that into a "!pastebin" response for the bot, go ahead.
[11:26] <thoreauputic> ;-)
[11:26] <yo2k> can i run in shell script some instalation... ?
[11:26] <paulproteus> thoreauputic: Great.  Now I'm going to be reincarnated as a mushroom that gets fried in an omelette somewhere.
[11:26] <paulproteus> yo2k: What does that mean?
[11:27] <thoreauputic> paulproteus: only if you are *very* good from now on ;-)
[11:27] <yo2k> i create a file, inside is shell script (apt-get... )
[11:27] <yo2k> maybe 3 or 4 lines
[11:28] <HappyFool> yo2k: why do you want to do that? Anyway, if the script is run by root, it ought to work
[11:29] <yo2k> HappyFool, my conection is slowly, i want to relax... ( like wget -i list.xtx )
[11:29] <HappyFool> yo2k: you can feed apt-get multiple packages to install
[11:29] <HappyFool> yo2k: 'sudo apt-get install package1 package2 package3'
[11:29] <yo2k> ooo... ic....
[11:30] <yo2k> newbie...
[11:30] <luzbelito> hi to all. anyone knows how to save a web page in a .mht (like IE) file or a unique one ???
[11:30] <thoreauputic> yo2k: sudo apt-get install apt-howto   ;-)
[11:32] <yo2k> can i install not conecting to internet ?
[11:32] <yo2k> maybe from cd or dvd ... ?
[11:33] <holycow> bob2, read the linkage, thx
[11:33] <HappyFool> only a limited set of packages; i think you need a network connection for mysql/php (and maybe apache2, as well, i'm not sure)
[11:33] <holycow> i mean thoreauputic
[11:33] <yo2k> HappyFool, ooo... very slow...
[11:34] <thoreauputic> holycow: ?
[11:34] <HappyFool> yo2k: apt-get will tell you how much it downloads; you can decide if it's worth it
[11:34] <HappyFool> it needs to download, rather
[11:35] <yo2k> ic...
[11:36] <holycow> thoreauputic, you know, if you are going to bother arguing with me in the future or saying anything at all
[11:36] <holycow> at the very least keep track of what you post
[11:37] <koisti> has someone try to use this yasis-2.9a.pl script for xchat
[11:37] <thoreauputic> holycow: I have no idea what you mean - I made one comment as far as i can see. I don't recall any arfument with you at all
[11:37] <thoreauputic> *argument
[11:38] <holycow> *sigh* what a waste of time to even bother acknowledging some people
[11:38] <thoreauputic> holycow: but given you attitude I really couldn't care less, frankly
[11:40] <luzbelito> hi to all. anyone knows how to save a web page in a .mht (like IE) file or a unique one ???
[11:41] <holycow> luzbelito, depends on what you need
[11:41] <holycow> there is a firefox extension that lets you cache all the sites in your bookmark
[11:41] <holycow> how specifically does that ie feature work? i'm guessing its not file / save as?
[11:42] <yo2k> thank's guys.. i want to go home... see u next time...
[11:42] <arnonym> yo2k: is there a apostroph in thanks?
[11:42] <holycow> yo2k, bye
[11:43] <paulproteus> yo2k: Stop using an apostrophe in "thanks"!
[11:43] <paulproteus> Otherwise, it was good talking to you. :)
[11:43] <salapoliisi> i'd like to try if i can get stepmania work in linux, but do i have to download the "linux" or the "source" version of it?
[11:44] <holycow> paulproteus, lol, we need to change the channel name to #ubuntu-where pedants come to pedant!
[11:44] <holycow> my self included
[11:44] <holycow> >_>
[11:47] <luzbelito> holycow, i wanna save web pages in unique file.
[11:47] <mcella> Hi, can someone help me?
[11:47] <paulproteus> mcella: Depends.
[11:47] <paulproteus> mcella: We'll never know unless you ask.
[11:47] <erb> hello
[11:47] <Bubbling_Zombie> mcella, do not ask to ask
[11:47] <Bubbling_Zombie> xD
[11:47] <holycow> 'in unique file'?  you mean file / save as is not what you are looking for then?
[11:47] <luzbelito> holycow, its for archive
[11:47] <paulproteus> !asktoask
[11:47] <ubotu> I don't know, paulproteus
[11:48] <Nevado> has anyone here got the latest version of vdrift to compile?
[11:48] <holycow> luzbelito, well give the firefox extensions page a try then, there is probably a few things there for that, including the extension i mentioned to you earlier
[11:48] <luzbelito> holycow, when i save file now, image folder is created. i wanna something to save the web in a unique file, like IE with .MHT file
[11:48] <holycow> oh a single file?
[11:48] <arnonym> luzbelito: you can use wget with the -k and -p options and tar.gz it
[11:49] <paulproteus> bob2: I would like to add an asktoask bang-statement to ubotu.
[11:49] <HappyFool> paulproteus: unless they've changed the rules, anyone can do that
[11:49] <luzbelito> arnonym, yeah... but i need it in a format that can be opened from windows web browser easily
[11:49] <mcella> Ok :-), i'm trying to install ubuntu on an old machine, MMX200 and 32 mb of ram, I want to use it a a server, anyway the installation always stucks at "unpacking nic-firmware..."
[11:49] <holycow> luzbelito, i cannot think of anything offhand, i vaguely remember someone writing an extension for firefox to save it into a single file ... but not sure, sorry :/
[11:49] <HappyFool> paulproteus: try 'uboto, asktoask is foo bar baz'
[11:49] <yo2k> by all...
[11:49] <HappyFool> err
[11:50] <luzbelito> holycow, i will check. thanks
[11:50] <HappyFool> or ubotu even
[11:51] <erb> somebody pls., give me a link for Ubuntu repositories list, what is works, or a source.list if that is possible
[11:51] <holycow> mcella, yeah i've run into installation problems on various older mobos with weirdo chipsets
[11:51] <holycow> mcella, a couple of things:
[11:51] <HappyFool> erb: stand by
[11:52] <paulproteus> ubotu: asktoask is We'll never know what your question is unless you ask it.  Don't ask if you can ask; don't ask if we can answer a question - ask a question!
[11:52] <ubotu> paulproteus: okay
[11:52] <HappyFool> erb: look here: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[11:52] <HiddenWolf> holycow: be nice and file the bugs. :)
[11:52] <holycow> a: chipsets sometimes cause that, b: sometimes its bad ram c: sometimes its a bad cdrom  other times you can have a situation where the platform is supported but the driver refuses to load ro some weird thing where say a knoppix cd will boot just fine
[11:52] <luzbelito> how can i install .jar firefox extension ???
[11:52] <erb> thanks
[11:52] <HappyFool> !java
[11:52] <ubotu> somebody said java was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[11:52] <HappyFool> luzbelito: that should tell you how
[11:53] <paulproteus> !asktoask
[11:53] <holycow> HiddenWolf, i refuse to, especially for via chipsets.  i will never do anything to help a company like via make more money off of me or anyone else
[11:53] <ubotu> somebody said asktoask was We'll never know what your question is unless you ask it.  Don't ask if you can ask; don't ask if we can answer a question - ask a question!
[11:53] <paulproteus> Yay!
[11:53] <arnonym> paulproteus: well done
[11:53] <HiddenWolf> holycow: in refusing to do so you condem those who come after you to a world of pain.
[11:53] <holycow> HiddenWolf, in the via example, they don't even manage to make the bare minimum of effort, beyond dragging their heels to seem 'open and friendly'
[11:54] <holycow> HiddenWolf, no, i condemn them to buy products from companies that are open source friendly, and 'get it'
[11:54] <luzbelito> HappyFool, i dont stand what you mean
[11:54] <thoreauputic> holycow: just curious - why did you feel a need to send that comment? I had/have no issues with you and I don't recall being rude to you
[11:54] <HiddenWolf> holycow: not everyone has the money or the knowledge to buy new stuff, or know what they are buying.
[11:55] <mcella> holycow: tnx for your reply, cdrom should be fine i have made an integrity check
[11:55] <HiddenWolf> holycow: your attitude is selfish, and i'll leave it at that.
[11:55] <holycow> mcella, no worries, just trying to at least outline a few things to look for in more specificity
[11:55] <holycow> HiddenWolf, my attitude is selfish?
[11:55] <holycow> oh wait a minute
[11:55] <holycow> all of a sudden via really is not to blame
[11:56] <holycow> but its the fault of the people that don't want to waste their life trying to reverse engineer technology of a company that refuses to even play nice?
[11:56] <holycow> yes that makes sense
[11:56] <HiddenWolf> holycow: they are to blame, but if you don't file a bug, don't make known there is a problem, scores of people will run into it, have to waste the same time that you did, and you're just suffering silently instead of standing up
[11:56] <HiddenWolf> that is selfish
[11:57] <holycow> so every time intel or some other hardware manufacturer tells us to go to hell, yes the community is at fault for not working hard enough
[11:57] <HappyFool> luzbelito: look here for java (.jar files are java files) support: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[11:57] <HiddenWolf> no, every time any company refuses to cooperate, the community is at fault for rolling over and taking it.
[11:58] <holycow> lol
[11:58] <holycow> thats dumb
[11:58] <holycow> every time the community decides to make a product work for a company that tells them go to hell ...
[11:58] <holycow> ... is an example of the community rolling over and taking it
[11:58] <njs12345> hmm
[11:58] <njs12345> I have a via82cxx sound card in my tablet pc
[11:58] <njs12345> and the sound comes out, but it keeps repeating
[11:58] <Lovechild> oh wow, X is just really being funky in Breezy.. despite ensuring the right layout, my keyboard still thinks it's US not DK
[11:58] <HiddenWolf> They're easing the world for the adoption of linux, and the bigger linux gets, the harder it'll be for a company to ignore us.
[11:59] <holycow> every time the community turns around and 'votes with their dollars' for a company that 'gets it' is the community actually doing something
[11:59] <HiddenWolf> Lovechild: you could/should have know that. :)
[11:59] <Lovechild> HiddenWolf: yeah.. that's what makes it fun
[11:59] <HiddenWolf> holycow: the problem is, the community is so insignificantly big at this piont, that a manufacturer wouldn't notice even if there was a complete and utter boycot of that company
[12:00] <holycow> HiddenWolf, you gotta start somewhere, and all starts are small
[12:00] <holycow> i'm starting with my self
[12:00] <HiddenWolf> holycow: besides, 90% of users don't care what is in their system, and they will never care
[12:00] <holycow> thats fine, i don't care that most users choose to use windows
[12:00] <holycow> its a free world
[12:00] <holycow> i choose to vote with my dollars, and i do
[12:01] <HiddenWolf> holycow: please do, but at least file a bug, so others don't have to spend their time finding out what you already know.
[12:01] <mcella> the chipset is i430vx
[12:03] <holycow> HiddenWolf, no way, not for companies that really go out of their way to 'not get it'.  there simply is no point strategically, nor functionally because you mostly cannot fix that for which you cannot get a spec sheet for
[12:03] <poningru> I had a question about nautilus
[12:04] <poningru> why is the stripped down version used as the default?
[12:04] <Nevado> in what way is it 'stripped down'/
[12:04] <Echelon-H> when's breezy going to come out?
[12:04] <poningru> it doesnt have the address bar
[12:04] <poningru> the buttons
[12:04] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: October
[12:04] <njs12345> yeah
[12:04] <paulproteus> Echelon-H: Six-month release cycles.
[12:05] <poningru> and when you click on a folder
[12:05] <njs12345> you can tell because of the release number
[12:05] <njs12345> 5.10
[12:05] <holycow> poningru, 'spatial nautilus' is considered the 'right way' to implement a file browser, at least in a default state
[12:05] <paulproteus> So it'll be April and October until the Earth stands still.
[12:05] <Echelon-H> thoreauputic, thanks. And I'll just have to activate the update manager to get it, right?
[12:05] <njs12345> poningru: it's called spatial mode
[12:05] <poningru> holycow: how and why is it considered the right way?
[12:05] <holycow> it theoretically reflects the basic object oriented browsing and data handling needs of most people in most workloads
[12:05] <luzbelito> sorry, i am upgrading firefox to 1.0.6 - wich folder i must select for destination directory ???
[12:05] <Nevado> poningru, in nautilus go to edit -- preferences -- behaviour -- always open in browser windows, see if you prefer it then
[12:05] <poningru> yeah i know
[12:05] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: you'll need to change your sources from "hoary" to "breezy"
[12:05] <poningru> how to change it
[12:05] <holycow> poningru, there were some studies done, and the developers spent a lot of time thinking about it and testing
[12:05] <holycow> however
[12:05] <holycow> its just the default state
[12:06] <Echelon-H> do you when they're gonna have the latest XFCE released for ubuntu?
[12:06] <poningru> right I really think that when giving an OS to an enduser
[12:06] <HappyFool> luzbelito: does ubuntu not provide the latest firefox?
[12:06] <holycow> both spatial and hierarchical file management approachs are not mutually exclusive but complimentary, an dyou have both at yoru disposal at any time
[12:06] <luzbelito> HappyFool, no.
[12:06] <poningru> the other mode is better
[12:06] <HappyFool> luzbelito: i have 1.0.6 installed via apt-get
[12:06] <holycow> you can always right click and 'browse' to get hierarchical
[12:06] <poningru> right I know
[12:06] <njs12345> poningru: you might think that
[12:06] <luzbelito> HappyFool, i tried to do it, bur seems mozilla package cannot be upgraded (protected or something)
[12:06] <Nevado> just select 'always open in browser windows'
[12:07] <njs12345> but studies have shown that it's actually easier for people who haven't used computers
[12:07] <lsuactiafner> damnit
[12:07] <lsuactiafner> joined and forgot what i wanted to ask
[12:07] <HappyFool> luzbelito: i would try to get it working via apt-get, if i were you
[12:07] <poningru> njs12345: is that our goal audience?
[12:07] <poningru> I thought it was windows converts
[12:07] <Raptoid> selamlar.
[12:07] <holycow> from a 'workflow' perspective, you will be mixing and matching all these tools to your workflow needs, but basically imho hierarchical file system browsing is more complicated an idea in comparison to spatial, so to fulfill the 'keep it simple' paradigm spatial becomes default
[12:07] <Nevado> having a quick flick through the file system and having 15 windows open as a result is just ridiculous
[12:08] <poningru> yeah exactly what Nevado said
[12:08] <paulproteus> Nevado: Congratulations on spelling ridiculous correctly. :)
[12:08] <Nevado> it's not a problem though, just need to change 1 option
[12:08] <luzbelito> HappyFool, wich package i must select from apt ???
[12:08] <poningru> Nevado: the problem is the average user is not going to know that
[12:08] <HappyFool> luzbelito: mozilla-firefox
[12:09] <poningru> if they are not told
[12:09] <njs12345> Nevado: it depends on how you arrange your windows
[12:09] <HappyFool> luzbelito: are you using synaptic, or apt-get?
[12:09] <holycow> Nevado, clearly your workflow is different from mine or from every single user i have ever had to tech support
[12:09] <njs12345> and filesystem and stuff
[12:09] <njs12345> and also how you think
[12:09] <holycow> Nevado, so as an advanced user, exactly you change it
[12:09] <luzbelito> HappyFool, mozilla-firefox - dummy transitional package
[12:09] <luzbelito> i am using apt-get
[12:09] <luzbelito> that one ?
[12:09] <HiddenWolf> does update-manager work under xfce?
[12:09] <HappyFool> luzbelito: ok, just do 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get upgrade' -- that should upgrade mozilla-firefox to 1.0.6
[12:09] <poningru> see it depends on who we are trying to target
[12:09] <poningru> if its a windows users
[12:10] <poningru> then the default should not be spatial mode
[12:10] <Nevado> holycow, i don't know anyone who prefers spatial but really just use whatever works best for you
[12:10] <luzbelito> HappyFool, it seems dont upgrade them
[12:10] <poningru> if its first time end users
[12:10] <njs12345> HiddenWolf: I would have thought so
[12:10] <HappyFool> luzbelito: then something is wrong with your system
[12:10] <poningru> then I guess spatial
[12:10] <njs12345> the notification area spec is cross platform, I think
[12:10] <HappyFool> luzbelito: do you have a correct /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[12:10] <holycow> Nevado, every single user in our company uses their windows file system as a spatial browser
[12:10] <holycow> every single one
[12:10] <holycow> even the so called power user
[12:10] <poningru> luzbelito: take out your backports extra repository
[12:10] <luzbelito> HappyFool, i am installing the new ones now via apt-get install
[12:11] <holycow> every windows user i have ever tech supported infact uses it as spatial
[12:11] <Nevado> holycow, odd, as windows default is not spatial
[12:11] <poningru> holycow: thats because they probably dont know how to change it
[12:11] <HappyFool> luzbelito: as long as it works, i guess; all i had to do was upgrade
[12:11] <holycow> the few that do hieararchical either you don't haveto tech support because they have the skill, or they hopelessly get lost 'in the file system' .  i'm always sitting there watching them trying to figure out where they are
[12:11] <poningru> how can you get lost
[12:11] <njs12345> i gave some of my windows-using friends the livecd and they didn't seem to have any problem with nautilus..
[12:12] <poningru> the address bar is right there
[12:12] <holycow> poningru, no, its because they are average users that would preffer a 'picture book' to 'literature'
[12:12] <Nevado> lol
[12:12] <holycow> its not really a high level comparison, it's just the way it is
[12:12] <luzbelito> poningru, yeah. now its solved. upgrading to 1.0.6 ;-)
[12:12] <poningru> njs12345: how about this try to switch the thing for them
[12:12] <holycow> Nevado, it is odd indeed, i never see people browse hieararchically
[12:12] <luzbelito> HappyFool, thanks f your help too
[12:12] <poningru> and ask whether they like spatial or heirarchial
[12:12] <poningru> because I gave my mother and my sister both options
[12:12] <HiddenWolf> I always turn it to heirarchial the second I boot a new install.
[12:13] <poningru> they vastly prefered heirarchial
[12:13] <holycow> poningru, i can't tell you how many people dont have a clue what a hierarchy first of all is
[12:13] <holycow> or what it means
[12:13] <holycow> they have no idea what c:/progra files/program/whatever is
[12:13] <poningru> ubotu: tell luzbelito about !addingmultimediarepositories
[12:14] <poningru> ubotu: tell luzbelito about !repositories
[12:14] <holycow> when i go 'why don't you just hit the pulldown menu and select c drive instead of close the window and open up my computer again' they go 'oh wow, i didn't know this'
[12:14] <poningru> gaaah
[12:14] <poningru> brb
[12:14] <elsha> i've always used hierarchial view in windows :|
[12:14] <holycow> poningru, the imprortant thing is NOT that its default, if you have a clue you can modify, the important thing is THAT YOU HAVE A CHOICE
[12:14] <poningru> luzbelito: use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingMultimediaRepositories?highlight=%28multimedia%29%7C%28repositories%29
[12:15] <Nevado> holycow, you're telling me they didn't know how  to use the back or up buttons/
[12:15] <holycow> and that there is a clear distinction between the two, so that you can mix and match to your workflow
[12:15] <poningru> holycow: we must be living in two different worlds
[12:15] <holycow> you can open up 15 windows ifyou like, or you can open up one spatial and one hierarchical if thats what you need
[12:15] <holycow> poningru, indeed, i live in a world where i let the user choose, and i love the fact i'm not forced into yours
[12:15] <poningru> holycow: um
[12:16] <holycow> you seem to think that just because you use it one way, that everyone else must too, or at least thats what i'm reading
[12:16] <holycow> Nevado, indeed i am
[12:16] <poningru> the default is what you are forcing the user into
[12:16] <rownie> hi....
[12:16] <Nevado> holycow, well that was totally unnecessary
[12:16] <poningru> holycow: holy cow you are exagerating
[12:16] <paulproteus> poningru: I wouldn't go that far.
[12:16] <holycow> poningru, so how is that different then from any other default choice one makes?
[12:16] <poningru> holycow: what I am saying is:
[12:16] <holycow> so if they setup hierarchical as default thats forcing the user into that too
[12:16] <holycow> what you are really saying is that you don't like the default
[12:17] <poningru> a) most windows users would be comfortable with heirarchial setting
[12:17] <holycow> which is fine, just say that you don't like it, don't pretend like its the only way
[12:17] <holycow> poningru, not true
[12:17] <poningru> b) most users will not change the default
[12:17] <HappyFool> hmm
[12:17] <HappyFool> i guess erc doesn't have flood protection
[12:17] <holycow> naw, most users wont know the difference or care
[12:17] <poningru> holycow: again I must say then you must be living in a different world
[12:17] <holycow> you care only because you know the difference
[12:17] <HappyFool> !sourceslist
[12:17] <ubotu> methinks sourceslist is http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[12:17] <HappyFool> luzbelito: look at that url
[12:17] <poningru> holycow: trust me its not just me
[12:18] <HappyFool> luzbelito: it is a complete list
[12:18] <poningru> I would ask any new user that comes in here
[12:18] <holycow> poningru, no i actually support windows users, right now i have 400 windows users, but i have supported over 1000 at a time
[12:18] <HappyFool> luzbelito: well, not complete now that hoary-backports is part of the archive, but complete enough
[12:18] <poningru> and they would all say that they hate the spatial
[12:18] <holycow> i have never seen more than a few people use windows file explorer
[12:18] <holycow> they all click on my computer and emulate spatial
[12:18] <luzbelito> ok thanks for help me
[12:18] <poningru> holycow: you must be mistaken
[12:18] <holycow> what people have always objected to, is NOT HAVING hieararchical as an option
[12:18] <poningru> because that is not spatial
[12:19] <luzbelito> someone has used dvd shrink or something like that for copy dvd movies?
[12:19] <poningru> ok wait I think we are arguing about tow different things
[12:19] <holycow> doesn't matter if it is or not, they always emulate spatial behaviour
[12:19] <poningru> either that or I have my vocabulary confused
[12:19] <holycow> no we are not, your simply trying to tell me my observations are wrong
[12:19] <poningru> hold on let me post by what I think you guys mean by spatial/heirarchial
[12:19] <holycow> and they arent
[12:19] <holycow> in much the same way your observations are correct
[12:20] <holycow> for the users you interface with
[12:20] <holycow> i'm simply pointing out you are in no position to argue on any level that your observations are correct in this corner of the universe
[12:20] <Nevado> holycow, you're not really making sense - windows defaults to hierarchical, and you're saying that users who don't even know how to use a back or up button are 'emulating spatial' by themselves despite an obvious total lack of knowledge about computers? right...
[12:20] <holycow> so go ahead and try :)
[12:20] <holycow> Nevado, it doesn't actually
[12:20] <holycow> it simply opens up the folder in the same window
[12:21] <holycow> people still treat each individual window as a separate object
[12:21] <holycow> they never 'capish' that its hierarchical browsing, 'folder withing filder'
[12:21] <holycow> folder even
[12:21] <elsha> i dont believe that
[12:22] <Nevado> holycow, what on earth are you talking about, so now you're saying they use hierarchical but "don't capish" that it's hierarchical?
[12:22] <znh> holycow: do you believe in reincarnation - just a question :-P
[12:22] <Nevado> lol
[12:22] <poningru> holycow: here is what you told me heirarchial means http://img274.imageshack.us/img274/198/heirarchial9rb.png
[12:23] <luzbelito> can i install package and all dependencies from apt-get when i select a new one ?
[12:23] <poningru> http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/3751/spatial0xd.png
[12:23] <poningru> here is what you told me spatial means
[12:23] <poningru> tell me which one would you prefer?
[12:23] <HappyFool> luzbelito: apt-get will install dependencies automatically, yes
[12:23] <holycow> no both are effectively spatial
[12:23] <poningru> wtf
[12:23] <znh> If there's anyone with a unanswered question, I'm availible for help
[12:24] <njs12345> znh: I need a little help with my soundcard
[12:24] <poningru> I was arguing for the default behaviour being the first one
[12:24] <poningru> http://img274.imageshack.us/img274/198/heirarchial9rb.png
[12:24] <poningru> that
[12:24] <Pihl> znh: Whats the purpose of life? ;)
[12:24] <znh> njs12345: okay what do you like to?
[12:24] <poningru> why is that not the default behaviour
[12:24] <njs12345> ok
[12:24] <njs12345> well
[12:24] <njs12345> I have a TC1000 tablet PC
[12:24] <znh> Pihl: Too survive and make babies
[12:24] <njs12345> with a via sound card (uses the via82cxx sound card)
[12:24] <holycow> no i think there is a fairly distinct difference between hierarchical and spatial visual metaphors
[12:25] <holycow> i understand you disagree
[12:25] <Nevado> lol
[12:25] <znh> njs12345: Ok
[12:25] <Nevado> you don't have a clue what you're talking about do you
[12:25] <poningru> holycow: dude
[12:25] <Pihl> znh: I will 'try' to do tha last thing very hard
[12:25] <poningru> wow
[12:25] <poningru> take a chill pill
[12:25] <poningru> seriously
[12:25] <njs12345> whenever I try and play sound through it, the sound gets repeated over and over
[12:25] <znh> Pihl: there's another one - "Be Happy"
[12:25] <poningru> whats going on
[12:25] <thoreauputic> guys, #spatial-wars maybe ?
[12:25] <poningru> Nevado: ?
[12:25] <njs12345> for instance, the login sound
[12:26] <znh> njs12345: hm.. lol that's kinda anonying
[12:26] <njs12345> I've tried playing them through aplay and gst-launch, and the same result
[12:26] <holycow> poningru, fine, then the conversation is ended, if your not intersted all cool
[12:26] <znh> njs12345: are you using Alsa ?
[12:26] <Pihl> znh: Og, thy knowledge..:) Thats the great thing about Linux: You just learn so much new stuff...:)
[12:26] <poningru> holycow: its not that I am not interested
[12:26] <njs12345> yeah, I think so
[12:26] <njs12345> I haven't really done too much with the sound
[12:26] <znh> Pihl: oh yea, Be happy is currently active cuz of linux ;-)
[12:26] <njs12345> like no major changes
[12:26] <poningru> I am saying that I agree with you on the spatial thing now that I know I was in error
[12:26] <njs12345> so I assume I am
[12:26] <poningru> about what is spatial and what is not
[12:27] <holycow> poningru, well clearly your not intersted in giving me a chance to support my position
[12:27] <poningru> but now my question is
[12:27] <Nevado> holycow, i'm fairly sure he's not talking about your idealogical interpretations of hierarchical vs spatial but rather the actual implementation that's in gnome... you seem to be (confusingly) wavering between the two
[12:27] <holycow> if you want to cut it off half way fine,
[12:27] <znh> njs12345: have you got XMMS there or beep-media-player?
[12:27] <Pihl> znh: So Be Happy has gone open source, eh..? lol
[12:27] <holycow> poningru, i'm not interested in changing your mind at all, nor am i even saying your wrong
[12:27] <poningru> holycow: but I want to
[12:27] <znh> Pihl: I don't know what OS runs on my brain system
[12:27] <njs12345> .. apt-getting now :P
[12:27] <holycow> its simply an excercise in categorization of nautilus attributes
[12:27] <znh> njs12345: ok :-D
[12:28] <Pihl> znh, hopefully not windows..:(
[12:28] <poningru> holycow: dude can you come into #spatial-wars
[12:28] <znh> Pihl: I haven't crashed yet x-D
[12:28] <HappyFool> A long time ago, on a window system far, far away...
[12:28] <znh> oh that fool again
[12:28] <Pihl> znh: lol
[12:28] <poningru> no?
[12:28] <holycow> why? if you want to discuss it, say it here its not a complicated issue, nor one that requires defending a position
[12:29] <poningru> ok fine I will say it here
[12:29] <poningru> why is the default not this: http://img274.imageshack.us/img274/198/heirarchial9rb.png
[12:30] <poningru> why are there no buttons or address bars etc.?
[12:30] <njs12345> because it's spatial
[12:30] <poningru> right but if you see my screenshot
[12:30] <poningru> that is spatial too
[12:30] <znh> HappyFool: please continue with your story
[12:30] <poningru> but with buttons for navigation
[12:30] <holycow> i already answered that the developers looked at studies and thought about the issue carefully, and most people really do browse the file system spatially
[12:30] <poningru> and an addressbar
[12:31] <poningru> ok what I just linked to is SPATIAL
[12:31] <Nevado> holycow, I thought you just said that both were spatial
[12:31] <poningru> I know right
[12:31] <holycow> its an arbitrary decision relative to you, and thats exactly true, but i would consider it a very good choice my self
[12:31] <holycow> Nevado, well my second point was going to include that statement
[12:31] <njs12345> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2003-September/msg00446.html
[12:31] <holycow> but i think your statement shows that irc is not best suited for a clear debate structure, its rather one dimensional
[12:31] <poningru> poll time which one would you say is better: http://img274.imageshack.us/img274/198/heirarchial9rb.png
[12:31] <poningru>  or this: http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/3751/spatial0xd.png
[12:32] <znh> njs12345: I have to lunch, I'll speak you in ~30minutes
[12:32] <Nevado> holycow, you're really not making sense, i'm fairly sure you're trying to come off as really clever but don't have a clue what you're talking about
[12:32] <poningru> njs12345: which one would you prefer
[12:32] <holycow> poningru, look, thi isn't a personal statement at all just let me take the opportunity to reclassify some nautilus features
[12:32] <holycow> and you tell me if it makes sense or not
[12:32] <elsha> There is no way i can work in spatial
[12:32] <elsha> at all
[12:32] <njs12345> which one would I prefer?
[12:32] <salapoliisi> can i play games which doesn't require cd from my windows partition with cedega?
[12:32] <fortran01> xfce rocks!
[12:32] <elsha> I find it absolutely useless
[12:32] <njs12345> the current one
[12:32] <njs12345> well elsha, that's your opinion
[12:33] <holycow> Nevado, just shutup already, if the best you can do is simply throw out accusatory statements, there are other channels for that
[12:33] <HappyFool> salapoliisi: doesn't cedega maintain a list of supported games?
[12:33] <elsha> njs12345, yes, it is.
[12:33] <elsha> :P
[12:33] <holycow> i'm not accusing you or anyone of anything, its nautilus for f's sake
[12:33] <njs12345> but being in this channel, you're probably a highly technical user, aren't you?
[12:33] <holycow> jesus, how hard can it be to discuss?
[12:33] <poningru> njs12345, holycow will you two just look at those two screenshots?
[12:33] <salapoliisi> HappyFool: that wasn't the question
[12:33] <poningru> just look at it
[12:33] <thoreauputic> erm.... there are probably other channels for off-topic debates as well
[12:33] <njs12345> I mean, I'm not dissing you or anything, but you don't see joe coming in here, do you?
[12:33] <Nevado> holycow, lol, just find it funny that you keep defending spatial, then you say that windows default is spatial, then you say that gnome browser is spatial
[12:33] <poningru> and then tell me which one?
[12:33] <HappyFool> salapoliisi: otherwise, ask in #cedega -- i see 86 users in that channel
[12:33] <Petrov> :p
[12:34] <salapoliisi> HappyFool: that's good idea :)
[12:34] <holycow> poningru, let me try to get accross what i'm seeing from here, and its fine if you disagree, k?
[12:34] <Jugan> i have installed the nvidia driver, and i am currently using 1xxxX7xx resolution...is there a way, i can use higher resolution?  It seems, the only resolution allowed by my driver is that...but in windows, I can go higher.
[12:34] <poningru> holycow: go for it
[12:34] <Belutz> poningru: i would say the first one is better
[12:34] <poningru> thank you Belutz now can you tell me why that is not default?
[12:34] <Nevado> poningru, it's all about the visual metaphors, right holycow?
[12:34] <elsha> njs12345, i've only just started using linux on my machine, although, anyone whos going to use linux is going to be not the average user i agree. but the key word in my comments, was "i" I've worked on helpdesk for an isp, i know most people dont have a clue :/
[12:34] <holycow> poningru, i would say that hiearchical nautilus is trully ONLY when you select the tree menu in it
[12:35] <poningru> holycow: we are not on that subject anymore
[12:35] <holycow> just like ms's file explorer, tree on left hand side, maybe files on the right hand side
[12:35] <poningru> poll time which one would you say is better: http://img274.imageshack.us/img274/198/heirarchial9rb.png
[12:35] <poningru>  or this: http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/3751/spatial0xd.png
[12:35] <elsha> who cares what the default is people? YOU CAN CHANGE IT
[12:35] <Nevado> holycow, the filesystem is hierarchical, you can't really avoid it however you choose to represent it
[12:35] <Belutz> yup... you can change it the way you like
[12:35] <poningru> just tell me which one of those would you like
[12:35] <holycow> poningru, *sigh* okay then welcome to my ignore list, i asked if you would give me a chance to reclassify and try to support my reasons for it, and clearly your not interested
[12:35] <holycow> all cool
[12:35] <Belutz> even i have to change Windows Explorer to suits my need
[12:36] <poningru> Belutz: but see the problem is end users do not usually change settings
[12:36] <poningru> they stick with what they have grumbling
[12:36] <elsha> although, i was quite surprised that the default for gnome was spatial, but omg, I CHANGED IT
[12:36] <poningru> but still will not explore
[12:37] <thoreauputic> poningru: don't bother - you can't argue when your opponent moves the goal post to suit himself ;)
[12:37] <poningru> rofl so true
[12:37] <Belutz> poningru: so you could change it before you give it to end user :p
[12:37] <poningru> Belutz: but I am not there most of the time
[12:38] <poningru> the switch is made over the internet
[12:38] <poningru> err as in
[12:38] <poningru> the evangilism is made over the internet
[12:38] <poningru> so my question remains
[12:38] <poningru> why is the first one not default
[12:38] <poningru> as opposed to the second one
[12:38] <Nevado> ubuntu spatial is annoying, just makes it like a browser window that jumps about when you move and doesn't have up / back buttons
[12:39] <Nevado> gnome spatial annoying because you end up with 15 windows open
[12:39] <poningru> keep in mind neither is heirarchial
[12:39] <Nevado> gnome browser all happy
[12:39] <elsha> poningru, there are going to be people grumbling about defaults, regardless of which one is used
[12:39] <Belutz> maybe the answer is "because the second one is the default" :)
[12:39] <poningru> elsha: but with the current way all windows converts will be grumbling
[12:39] <njs12345> well
[12:39] <poningru> well should say almost all
[12:40] <njs12345> my friends who didn't even know about linux before using ubuntu had no problem with it
[12:40] <poningru> njs12345: ask them which they would preffer
[12:40] <Nevado> nautilus in 2.12 has improved though, dunno if you guys have seen the screenshots
[12:40] <elsha> poningru, i thought the windows default was spatial, and the ubuntu default is spatial...
[12:40] <poningru> gaaah
[12:40] <thoreauputic> poningru: write an email to mark@canonical.com - Ubuntu Spatial was his idea ( sabdfl) :)
[12:40] <poningru> both of my options are spatial
[12:41] <poningru> what people dont realize is I am not making a case for heirarchial
[12:41] <poningru> I am saying with the spatial
[12:41] <kevin> Can some one help me with my mouse ?:D
[12:41] <poningru> add buttons and the address bar and then have the new folder in the same browser window
[12:41] <poningru> thats all I am asking
[12:41] <poningru> why is this not the default
[12:41] <poningru> just add those things to spatial
[12:41] <thoreauputic> kevin: you came in in the middle of a theological argument it seems :)
[12:41] <poningru> sorry
[12:42] <Belutz> yup
[12:42] <Belutz> it's in HCI subject lol
[12:42] <poningru> its 6:40 here I have to go run
[12:42] <poningru> by guys
[12:42] <njs12345> I think it'd be good if they split the channels up into #ubuntu-support and #ubuntu ;)
[12:42] <poningru> thanks for letting me annoy you guys
[12:42] <njs12345> but meh
[12:42] <poningru> njs12345: I couldnt agree more
[12:42] <njs12345> that's my opinion ;)
[12:42] <salapoliisi> many softwares says that my opengl isn't working right, is there a how to to fix this thing?
[12:42] <poningru> because this wasnt an offtopic argument
[12:42] <kevin> bleh :P, my wireless M$haft mouse is uncontrolable in ubuntu but fine in fedora ?:/
[12:42] <poningru> anyway I am off
[12:43] <holycow> salapoliisi, we need to install vid card drivers that support ogl if they exist for your card
[12:43] <holycow> salapoliisi, what vid card do you have?
[12:43] <m0r0n> Why do I always get to see only one half of flash animation in Firefox?
[12:43] <tikka> meow
[12:43] <graabein> here kitty
[12:43] <Belutz> tikka: meow too
[12:43] <tikka> anyone know why flsah isnt playing sound, using firefox. audio is fine i have alsa and jackd.
[12:44] <holycow> m0r0n, because the flash plugin released by macromedia is terrible
[12:44] <tikka> Belutz, vell hellow
[12:44] <tikka> :D
[12:44] <tikka> lol
[12:44] <graabein> pss pss
[12:44] <tikka> lol
[12:44] <Belutz> tikka: :D
[12:44] <holycow> m0r0n, from what i can tell it doesn't have scripting enabled, and i think a lot of flash uses scripting for overal layout and placement these days
[12:44] <tikka> im male btw
[12:44] <tikka> lol
[12:44] <graabein> hey, what bit torrent do you guys use? i want to switch from azureus
[12:44] <Belutz> hahaha
[12:44] <tikka> believe it or not pmsl
[12:45] <graabein> you are one good looking male tikka!
[12:45] <Belutz> graabein: i use Gnome Bittorent
[12:45] <yang> hello again, i have some trouble here, i've just installed RealPlayer 10 from Synaptic, but it cannot start, what should i do?
[12:45] <holycow> graabein, gtk bittorent client that comes with ubuntu my self
[12:45] <salapoliisi> holycow: geforce 6600
[12:45] <tikka> graabein, ubuntu comes with gnome bittorrent.. seems alright to me
[12:45] <virtuel> graabein, I use Opera
[12:45] <holycow> salapoliisi, we just need to install the nvidia drivers then
[12:45] <tikka> snap Belutz  lol
[12:45] <Belutz> lol
[12:45] <Belutz> :D
[12:45] <salapoliisi> holycow: that's already done
[12:45] <holycow> is tthere and nvidia factoid on the bot for salapoliisi ?
[12:45] <HappyFool> kevin: you've looked on the wiki and used google?
[12:46] <kevin> happyfool
[12:46] <holycow> okay, did you change the nv to nvidia in your xorg.conf file?
[12:46] <thoreauputic> !drivers
[12:46] <ubotu> hmm... drivers is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//BinaryDriverHowto
[12:46] <graabein> well i dont like gnome bittorrent... azureus is okay but too heavy on the load
[12:46] <kevin> i cant click on links!:P
[12:46] <kevin> it opens them like 1000's times
[12:46] <kevin> :D
[12:46] <Dartsani> yang...what do you mean youi cannot start it?
[12:46] <holycow> graabein, try installing bittornado then, its very efficient
[12:46] <HappyFool> kevin: ah
[12:46] <kevin> >:(
[12:46] <HappyFool> kevin: what's the mouse model?
[12:47] <kevin> MS wireless desktop 1000
[12:47] <graabein> okay, thanks holycow, i will take a look at it. in the repos?
[12:47] <kevin> keyboard works 100%
[12:47] <virtuel> graabein, again, try the Opera 8.10 preview: It has bittorrent integrated in the browser
[12:47] <kevin> mouse is insane tho
[12:47] <holycow> graabein, make sure you have unverse enabled
[12:47] <graabein> virtuel, i am happy with firefox
[12:47] <yang> dartsani -- when i click from menu, nothing happen, not even an error message, and the RealPlayer window is not showing either
[12:47] <Madeye> any GUI CVS client?
[12:47] <HappyFool> kevin: and they're both using the same receiver? (or whatever -- is this bluetooth, or what?)
[12:48] <kevin> yea
[12:48] <kevin> usb receiver
[12:48] <linus_> yang: what happens if you try to run it from the command line?
[12:48] <kevin> none bluetooh
[12:48] <HappyFool> kevin: ok, googling now
[12:48] <graabein> holycow, my system is set up... backports and all... if i can just fix tv-out on my nvidia card...
[12:49] <holycow> graabein, what does that haveto do with bittorent?
[12:49] <holycow> graabein, apt-cache search bittornado :)
[12:49] <ZZzum> hi... How configure correct my keyboard (ABNT2) the "/" and "?" don't works ... I'm using breezy version...
[12:49] <kevin> thnx happyfool
[12:49] <kevin> :D
[12:49] <graabein> holycow, nothing, hehe, you just said something about universe repo
[12:49] <eNTi> can someone tell me, why my password for the "update-manager" or the "root shell" isn't recognized? isn't it supposed to be the root password?
[12:50] <haffe> eNTi: No.
[12:50] <holycow> graabein, just shush and install it already and see if you like it, if not, not sure what other options you have
[12:50] <haffe> It's supposed to be the password for your account.
[12:50] <holycow> :)
[12:50] <eNTi> now that makes sense...
[12:50] <Belutz> holycow: lol :D
[12:50] <graabein> holycow, hehe, right on
[12:50] <linus_> eNTi: the current user must be in the sudoers list
[12:50] <yang> linus_ -- same as from menu click.. nothing happen
[12:51] <haffe> Hmmm, what's wrong with this. 'Error can't start X, /etc/X11/X ins't executable'.
[12:51] <linus_> yang: no error messages?
[12:51] <holycow> eNTi, there is no root on ubuntu incase you didn't know
[12:51] <holycow> it was a bit of a surprise to me too
[12:51] <eNTi> holycow: no i didn't
[12:51] <graabein> btw, i modified my first theme yesterday. made the h20ridium window border a nice brown dung look
[12:51] <virtuel> hm. where do I edit gnomes mime type handling?
[12:51] <yang> linus_ -- not at all, but from process it shows (ps ax | grep real)
[12:51] <holycow> its not a bad idea except that now the admin password is by default the users pass which in 99% of cases is terribly weak
[12:51] <holycow> not sure what i think of it
[12:52] <yang> linus_ -- any idea?
[12:52] <eNTi> how do i put my user in the sudoers list?
[12:52] <holycow> probably i fi setup a machine for a regular user, i would have an 'admin' account and a restricted 'user account' without sudo privilege
[12:52] <tucoz> Hi, I am thinking of having two linuxes on my machine. Is it possible for them to access the same /home?. I.e. to create a third partition, where home is.
[12:52] <linus_> yang: no. not realy. it's bad that it doesn't show any messages.
[12:52] <holycow> eNTi, if you use the users admin applet, there is a tab that allows you check off privileges
[12:53] <holycow> one is 'allow to install software'
[12:53] <tucoz> Like, ubuntu on one partition, gentoo on one, and home on one.
[12:53] <holycow> which will get you what you want
[12:53] <eNTi> holycow: i still have a root account, which can do everything...
[12:53] <Ag-Streak> Graah. Hi, back, my 3rd time here ^^;. I have 3 Ubuntu live cd's. One for A64, one for i386, one for Kubuntu A64. All three get through the loading process, then when they go into the UI, the graphics are corrupted. I've tried using every different resolution when it asks for it, and turning off the frame buffer, to no affect.
[12:53] <tucoz> I am at the moment having problems with hoary's acpi
[12:53] <holycow> well then you went in and created a root pass
[12:53] <yang> linus_ -- ok, thx
[12:54] <holycow> in which case why are you asking your question as your clearly aware of some of this?
[12:54] <Dartsani> which one is tj newest firefox?
[12:54] <tucoz> therefore I want an extra linux distro
[12:54] <Ag-Streak> (effect? er, not important). Anyway, I have a Geforce FX 5900 Ultra graphics card, and am an extreme linux newb. I really like what i've read about ubuntu, but don't want to install it if I can't get it to work properly.
[12:54] <Ag-Streak> Anyone have any idea what would cause the corrupt graphics?
[12:54] <holycow> Ag-Streak, what do you mean by 'corrupt graphics'?
[12:55] <eNTi> holycow: if i start a "root-shell" and the root password is not the default i might have done something wrong. i didn't know anything.
[12:55] <HappyFool> kevin: i wonder if this page will be of use: http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/
[12:55] <HappyFool> kevin: can you type 'lsb' in a console window, and tell me what the ID of the receiver is?
[12:55] <HappyFool> lsusb
[12:55] <tikka> Ag-Streak, nvidia has to be the easiest card to setup :D
[12:55] <holycow> eNTi, thats okay, to start the root shell it asks you to input YOUR password
[12:55] <holycow> eNTi, not root pass
[12:55] <eNTi> yeah... and that's pretty weird.
[12:55] <Jaivaz> I need a little help with Cedega.
[12:56] <Ag-Streak> Holycow: Erm, how to describe it. It starts out with a bunch of vertical colored lines, then after the cd stops loading itself, it looks like the ubuntu desktop, 5 times too large for the screen, then copied over itself numerous times, in 4 bit color.
[12:56] <holycow> eNTi, you don't have a root account pass until you su to root (or use root shell) and give it a password
[12:56] <tikka> meow
[12:56] <tikka> Any music producers
[12:56] <Jaivaz> I try to run the setup EXE for Ragnarok Online and I get the following:
[12:56] <Jaivaz> x11drv: Can't open display:
[12:56] <tikka> Any music producers present?
[12:56] <eNTi> holycow: the installer asked me for a root password.
[12:56] <HappyFool> Jaivaz: maybe ask in #cedega
[12:56] <holycow> eNTi, it looks weird, but its meant to stop people from running as root by accident because they don't know any different
[12:56] <Jaivaz> Ah.
[12:56] <holycow> eNTi, impossible
[12:56] <eNTi> holycow: lol?
[12:56] <holycow> eNTi, you must not be installing ubuntu or misreading the instructions
[12:56] <holycow> nowhere in the ubuntu installer does it ask for root pas
[12:56] <holycow> pass
[12:57] <holycow> install it again and see
[12:57] <thoreauputic> eNTi: you did the "expert" install, right?
[12:57] <eNTi> thenostradamus: yes
[12:57] <haffe> What is the command to reinstall packages with apt-get?
[12:57] <holycow> Ag-Streak, thats just weird :)
[12:57] <thoreauputic> holycow: not impossible: the expert instal is different
[12:57] <linus_> haffe: apt-get install foo --reinstall
[12:57] <Ag-Streak> ;_; but i've redownloaded the images 3 times. /each/, reburned them too, at the slowest speed possible.
[12:57] <thoreauputic> eNTi: it expects you to know what to do ;)
[12:57] <holycow> Ag-Streak, well we should be able to fix that, can you tell us what you have done so far, di you just put the cd in and install and when it was done thats what you got?
[12:57] <thoreauputic> eNTi: as an "expert"
[12:58] <Ag-Streak> Is there any way to force ubuntu livecd to use a specific driver? is there a generic driver/failsafe/safemodedriver?
[12:58] <eNTi> thenostradamus: i know what i do... i just can't know what strange system ubuntu is supposed to be.
[12:58] <holycow> oh this is a live cd, not an install?
[12:58] <Ag-Streak> Yep
[12:58] <eNTi> no root account...
[12:58] <thoreauputic> eNTi: you will have to use the " visudo" command to set up sudo for your users
[12:58] <holycow> eNTi, which part of ' to stop newbs from running as root by accident' don't you get?
[12:59] <eNTi> thoreauputic: kk.
[12:59] <linus_> Ag-Streak: I'm sure someone will be able to help you when you've installed the system... it might even work from the beginning
[12:59] <holycow> eNTi, everything is sudo apt-get install, and sudo thiscommand or sudo thatcommand, it's safer than having root account access.  those that want root access can always set a pass as they obviously have the skill
[01:00] <Ag-Streak> linus: Therein lies the problem. If it doesn't, not only do I not have a working system, but no backup. Unless ubuntu will allow me to properly dual-boot with XP.
[01:00] <holycow> Ag-Streak, i can't help you with live cd, too many variables.
[01:00] <Ag-Streak> (Without having to install it first.)
[01:00] <eNTi> holycow: if you want to flame, then please take another guy. i apprechiate your help but i don't want to be lectured and pushed around.
[01:00] <Ag-Streak> (er, Install ubuntu first)
[01:00] <holycow> Ag-Streak, well if you have never installed linux, never try to install dual boot, try and get a separate hd to practice on
[01:00] <graabein> holycow, hmmmm not too impressed with bittornado. dont like the gui. azureus is better at that at least
[01:01] <holycow> Ag-Streak, chances are that you might end up with a hosed xserver, but you will still have a system that is usable and fixable tho
[01:01] <graabein> anyway, downloading nick park's creature comforts hehe
[01:01] <Ag-Streak> I'm half tempted to just mess around with it in virtual pc, or something
[01:01] <thoreauputic> eNTi: holycow is an example of the old saw about a little knowledge being a dangerous thing - pay no attention. I think he has me on ignore so he probably won't even see my comment
[01:01] <holycow> eNTi, touche, there is only one answer to your question, if you can't handle it take it up with the devs. it is what it is.
[01:02] <holycow> graabein, like i told ya, if you don't like it, i'm not sure what choice you have. :/
[01:02] <holycow> auzareus is pretty tops in features and gui from what i've seen
[01:02] <graabein> holycow, yep, thanks for the tip anyhow
[01:03] <holycow> no worries
[01:03] <eNTi> holycow: you just don't get it, don't you? please do not bother me again.
[01:03] <eNTi> thoreauputic: yes i can imagine.
[01:04] <thoreauputic> hehe.. ping reply... so interesting
[01:04] <graabein> eNTi, having a bad day?
[01:05] <Belutz> anyone knows how to load the ubuntu live cd when the cd rom drives is in IDE RAID?
[01:05] <graabein> hmmm did you guys know the velvet underground plays electric guitar? even on the slow dance numbers?
[01:05] <Ag-Streak> Well, i've dual booted Windows versions themselves before, So I'm used to restoring the MBR, but still. anyone have any suggestion on what might cause that with the live CD?
[01:05] <HappyFool> Belutz: do cd-rom's support RAID?
[01:05] <Ag-Streak> (The first sentence was in reference to trying to dualboot Ubuntu and XP)
[01:06] <eNTi> graabein: no, why? i don't want to be lecutred by some know-it-all-guy
[01:06] <ZZzum> hi... How configure correct my keyboard (ABNT2) the "/" and "?" don't works ... I'm using breezy version... somebody have any idea ? pls
[01:06] <linus_> Ag-Streak: if you have done dual booting before, I don't think there will be a problem if you try with ubuntu
[01:06] <Belutz> HappyFool: no... but i connect it into IDE connector that supports RAID, i can boot from the live CD, but when ubuntu checking the h/w it doesn't detect the cd rom
[01:07] <znh> njs123: are you there?
[01:07] <holycow> Belutz, chances are the drivers are not available?
[01:07] <Ag-Streak> Linus: I'm used to dualbooting with Windows OS, I dunno how well that'd translate
[01:07] <holycow> i don't think anyone expected the live cd to be run from a cdrom in a raid config
[01:07] <HappyFool> Belutz: i don't know, sorry
[01:08] <graabein> linger on you pale blue eyes
[01:08] <Belutz> holycow: maybe, but the mobo manufacturer doesnt give the RAID drivers for linux
[01:08] <znh> Hmm when I copy files with Samba from my laptop to my computer, I'm only getting a speed of 600Kb/s - but this computer has a 100Mbit card, and the laptop a 10Mbit
[01:08] <Belutz> HappyFool: it's ok :D
[01:08] <holycow> Belutz, ah, then that sounds like the issue right there
[01:08] <holycow> Belutz, asus?
[01:08] <linus_> Ag-Streak: then, can you not take some backups and try to install it?
[01:08] <Belutz> holycow: MSI NEO 2 Platinum
[01:08] <Ag-Streak> MSI = Uber.
[01:09] <holycow> neat
[01:09] <znh> Ag-Streak: It's ok :P
[01:09] <Ag-Streak> Linus: Backups of what? My main HD is 80gb, and my second hd only has 4gb free
[01:09] <Belutz> if i know that i'm going to use linux, i should've buy another mobo
[01:10] <holycow> Belutz, yeah, i've wanted a website/page that focuses on hardware manufacturers that support linux
[01:10] <holycow> would make a few things easier
[01:10] <poningru> hehe
[01:11] <Belutz> holycow: why don't you made it... i'll help you :D
[01:11] <poningru> it would take another half an hour for me to fall asleep
[01:11] <linus_> Ag-Streak: I don't know what you have in mind... how do you want it? on separate drives or just on different partitions?
[01:11] <poningru> I am high on adrenaline
[01:11] <poningru> isnt there already a site like that?
[01:12] <holycow> Belutz, requires too much time and money to really do it right, it would be best done by someone like a hardware reseller that can focus in on a niche
[01:12] <poningru> that handles hardware support for linux
[01:12] <Belutz> holycow: yup...
[01:12] <poningru> err makes a list of most hardware that supports linux
[01:12] <holycow> there are many separate pages
[01:12] <Belutz> poningru: do you know the url?
[01:12] <holycow> linuxprinting.org for printers
[01:12] <holycow> few pages for wireless cards
[01:12] <holycow> and so on
[01:12] <poningru> no looking
[01:12] <haffe> Hmmm, another question. Can I force apt-get to somehow reinstall every package on the system?
[01:13] <poningru> there is this
[01:13] <holycow> haffe, i am not sure, i don't think so, but what is the problem that you are trying to solve?
[01:13] <poningru> http://www.linuxhardware.org/
[01:13] <poningru> but thats more of a review
[01:13] <poningru> than listing
[01:13] <Ag-Streak> Linus: What I want to do is repartition my main drive(which is labeled OS drive), so I have a partition for my XP stuff, my XP swap, my Linux Partition, my Linux Swap.
[01:13] <Belutz> poningru: ic .. thx
[01:13] <Belutz> but that will not solve my problem anyway lol :D
[01:14] <haffe> holycow: My xorg binary has disapeared.
[01:14] <HappyFool> haffe: maybe using some evil combination of 'dpkg -l' and 'aptitude reinstall', but it's unlikely to be a good idea
[01:14] <poningru> Belutz: what exactly are you looking for?
[01:14] <Ag-Streak> My question is, would I be able to install Ubuntu on my current system, and not screw up my XP install. Does it have anything like lilo in the installer? Does it even detect other os'? (i've installed redhat before, loooong ago, it was pretty good with the whole dualboot thing)
[01:14] <holycow> Ag-Streak, just out of curiosity, have you ever considered getting a removable hard drive tray?  they really are cool, and there is little chance of hosing anything.  anyway just a thought
[01:14] <linus_> Ag-Streak: and that is the 80gb dirve?
[01:14] <holycow> haffe, just reinstall xorg then
[01:14] <poningru> Ag-Streak: yes
[01:14] <Belutz> poningru: loading the live cd and the cd rom is connected into IDE RAID
[01:14] <Ag-Streak> Linus: It is.
[01:14] <holycow> sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg
[01:14] <poningru> ooh
[01:14] <znh> hoo
[01:14] <poningru> Belutz: yeah no clue about that
[01:15] <poningru> wait yes I do
[01:15] <poningru> there was a floppy that lets you boot from any drive you want
[01:15] <Ag-Streak> Hrm. Well, i've got a pile of ubuntu cd'
[01:15] <poningru> I think they added support for raid
[01:15] <poningru> hold on let me go look
[01:15] <Ag-Streak> 's on their way. I guess I'll download one of the distros themselves and try a install
[01:15] <Belutz> ok
[01:15] <Belutz> thx poningru
[01:16] <haffe> holycow: Tried that, didn't help-.
[01:17] <holycow> haffe, what error message do you get?
[01:17] <Belutz> HappyFool: once i was enabling breezy in sources.list, and I updates several packages from it... now, how do i know which package updated by that breezy sources?
[01:18] <HappyFool> Belutz: um
[01:18] <RolandU> hi all
[01:18] <holycow> haffe, post it on pastebing or something like that so we can see
[01:18] <HappyFool> Belutz: i'm not sure
[01:18] <znh> Belutz: Yes I agree, it should be announced while downloading packages through apt-get
[01:18] <haffe> holycow: I found it. It seems /etc/X11/X points to /usr/bin/X11/xorg but the xorg binary is in /usr/bin/Xorg
[01:18] <vladuz976> anybody know how to change the computer name after install
[01:18] <holycow> Belutz, both apt and synaptic will give you a list of whats being updated
[01:19] <RolandU> is it possible that ubuntu did not ask me to set up a root-password during install?
[01:19] <haffe> vladuz976: sudo gedit /etc/hostname
[01:19] <holycow> Belutz, you can also do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -s to simulate an upgrade
[01:19] <HappyFool> Belutz: if you want to force a downgrade, i think you can use 'pinning'
[01:19] <holycow> and read what packages are upgraded before you commit to doing so
[01:19] <haffe> RolandU: Yes, it is.
[01:19] <poningru> damn it
[01:19] <poningru> Belutz: I cant find it
[01:19] <RolandU> haffe: so, what is the root-password?
[01:19] <holycow> RolandU, not only is it possible, there is no root pass in ubuntu
[01:19] <poningru> its basically a floppy image
[01:19] <poningru> and you load it onto a floppy
[01:19] <holycow> RolandU, there is none, everything in ubuntu that is adminned requires sudo
[01:20] <poningru> and when booting from that
[01:20] <Belutz> HappyFool: i could force downgrade using synaptic, but it took a lot of time to find every packages that already updated by breezy
[01:20] <holycow> meaning you sudo command -options everythign
[01:20] <vladuz976> haffe: that is what i did, but now when i restart, iget "SET_HERE" for computername
[01:20] <Ag-Streak> Well, I guess I"m going to sleep. I'll mess with this another day. Thanks for the help everyone
[01:20] <poningru> it allows you to choose what other drive to boot from
[01:20] <RolandU> holycow, so, I can't do a console log in as root?
[01:20] <Belutz> poningru: it's ok... maybe i'll googling myself, thx anyway :)
[01:20] <poningru> Belutz: still looking though
[01:20] <holycow> RolandU, you can open up root console from sudo, or
[01:20] <holycow> RolandU, you can set the root pass that will let you login to root shell
[01:21] <HappyFool> Belutz: that's why i suggested 'pinning'
[01:21] <Belutz> HappyFool: how to use 'pinning' ?
[01:21] <holycow> i keep on seeing people say the 'downgraded' from breezy to hoary using synaptic ...
[01:21] <holycow> is that really possible?
[01:21] <HappyFool> Belutz: you can read about it in the apt-howto (install apt-howto-en, or apt-howto-<language of your choice>)
[01:21] <holycow> i didn't think apt had that capability
[01:22] <RolandU> oh, I have to enter my password to open the root-shell
[01:22] <holycow> infact i remember a dev saying there is no way to do so at all
[01:22] <holycow> RolandU, correct
[01:22] <vladuz976> haffe: any idea what might be going on?
[01:22] <Belutz> HappyFool: ok, thx :)
[01:22] <RolandU> are the packages in sarge that ubuntu does not offer?
[01:22] <holycow> RolandU, basically the root pass is disabled to prevent noobs from accidentally running as root for obvious reasons
[01:22] <holycow> precautionary thing, and it simplifies administration, i think osx does the same thing
[01:23] <holycow> RolandU, no, its probably the other way around
[01:23] <holycow> hoary is based on unstable, when sarge was in testing
[01:23] <holycow> so by definition packages are 'fresher'
[01:23] <RolandU> so, I guess it would be rather crazy to add ubuntu to my sarge's sources.list
[01:24] <holycow> you would hose your self royally
[01:24] <holycow> lots of library interdependence thats not properly reflected between the two, even if a downgrade was possible
[01:25] <RolandU> I need some commander-like tool.... like krusader, but krusader is kde
[01:25] <holycow> there is night commander in the repos i think, try that
[01:26] <thoreauputic> midnight commander - the package is " mc "
[01:26] <poningru> Belutz: found it
[01:26] <poningru> http://btmgr.webframe.org/
[01:27] <poningru> fear my leet googling skills
[01:27] <Belutz> poningru: thx :D
[01:27] <poningru> wait that maynot be it
[01:28] <poningru> http://linux.simple.be/tools/sbm
[01:28] <poningru> this is the one
[01:28] <RolandU> ok...
[01:28] <poningru> ?
[01:28] <poningru> I was talking to Belutz
[01:28] <RolandU> it seems to work now
[01:28] <Raptoid> selamlar.
[01:29] <poningru> oh
[01:29] <poningru> sorry
[01:29] <Belutz> poningru: ok :)
[01:29] <RolandU> thanks alot. ubuntu is now upgrading and I am going for food.
[01:30] <RolandU> cya
[01:30] <poningru> Belutz: let me know if it works out or bums out on ya
[01:30] <BollocksMacenzie> Trying to get Quake1 with expansion packs Q!Zone and Malice to work under linux and I'm having a load of problems... fuhquake is the only version of frontend which will run quake, but there isn't any details on how to get Malice and Q!Zone to work... The ones I downloaded from ftp.idsoftware.com just refuse to run too!
[01:31] <Belutz> poningru: ok, but i have to buy a floppy disk first... hehehe
[01:31] <poningru> rofl
[01:31] <poningru> I have about 50 or some lying around
[01:31] <honix> hello
[01:31] <poningru> I sitll have my old laptop that had no HD
[01:31] <BollocksMacenzie> Has anyone ever got Q!Zone / Malice to work fully?
[01:32] <holycow> hola
[01:32] <Belutz> ic hehe
[01:32] <holycow> BollocksMacenzie, never tried it, sorry :/
[01:32] <poningru> honix: whats up
[01:32] <Belutz> it's been a long time since i use floppy disks
[01:32] <honix> whats the plugins for play mp3 in ubuntu???
[01:32] <holycow> you need w32codecs
[01:33] <holycow> !w32codecs
[01:33] <ubotu> I heard w32codecs is a set of codecs needed to play many common audio and video formats, such as WMV. You can install w32codecs from the hoary-extras repositories (see: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org).
[01:33] <honix> thanks
[01:33] <holycow> np
[01:34] <HappyFool> for mp3 you just need gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:34] <thoreauputic> hmm.. why does my kde world vlock think it is 11:30 am in StLouis when it *also* thinks it's 7:30 am in New York ? hahah !
[01:35] <holycow> ah you know what, HappyFool's answer is probably more correct, you probably have a default install, and as such you probably have totem-gstreamer or whatever installed
[01:36] <spola> is a there an easy 4 seconds fix to get ubuntu to perform a certain command, as root, before gdm starts?
[01:36] <holycow> spola, such as?
[01:37] <spola> echo "et.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss
[01:37] <spola> (to play enemy territory ;)
[01:37] <thoreauputic> spola: it depends - look at update-rc.d or /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[01:38] <thoreauputic> the first is a command, the second is a file of course
[01:38] <spola> oh yay thx thats excactly what i was looking for
[01:38] <spola> !
[01:38] <ubotu> Wish i knew, spola
[01:39] <tikka> what p2p music downloads available for nix?
[01:39] <holycow> tikka, not any that i know of that have any popular industry artists
[01:39] <tikka> i see
[01:39] <Petrov> mm
[01:40] <Mobius> anyone run a via mini-itx board?
[01:40] <tikka> that makes me think.. any interesting unsigned artists?
[01:40] <poningru> tikka: all p2p are availble in linux
[01:40] <tikka> Mobius, I did.. I had run Knoppix and Suse on it i think
[01:40] <holycow> there are a few that host artists that publish under more liberal licences but they aren't mainstream ... yet
[01:40] <tikka> poningru, soulseek ?
[01:40] <poningru> wtf is that
[01:40] <poningru> link?
[01:40] <tikka> lol
[01:40] <tikka> its _the_ music downloader for win
[01:40] <tikka> funny thing is.. i dont like downloading music
[01:41] <tikka> just i saw this track on tv just now by oasis, called idle
[01:41] <tikka> and i would like it :D
[01:41] <holycow> tikka, i would say lots, i think if one was to put together a radio station of all the unsigned, or non mainstream artists it would  be very interesting indeed
[01:41] <poningru> yeah never mind
[01:41] <poningru> its not there
[01:41] <poningru> tikka: try bit torrent
[01:41] <holycow> i love listening to college radio stations, those guys play the most interesting new stuff
[01:41] <poningru> tikka: let me see
[01:41] <tikka> http://www.slsknet.org/
[01:41] <tikka> holycow, i see.. i might just do that
[01:41] <holycow> tikka, download stream tune and xmms
[01:42] <holycow> lots of amazing net radio stations
[01:42] <tikka> cool
[01:42] <tikka> I have recently discovered i love live music
[01:42] <poningru> tikka: http://www.torrentspy.com/search.asp?query=idle+oasis&submit.x=0&submit.y=0
[01:42] <holycow> i usually listen to french radio stations, they tend to oddly enough play the best english music imho
[01:42] <poningru> and use a torrent client
[01:42] <tikka> poningru, ta ;)
[01:42] <tikka> oo video available too
[01:43] <tikka> thanks alot poningru
[01:43] <tikka> and.. holycow any links to get me started?
[01:43] <[Spooky] > is it legal to download music videos ?
[01:43] <holycow> sudo apt-get install streamtuner && sudo apt-get install xmms
[01:43] <holycow> :)
[01:43] <highvoltage> [Spooky] : of course it is.
[01:43] <holycow> no its not
[01:43] <highvoltage> [Spooky] : unless the licens don't allow it
[01:43] <tikka> hol ;)
[01:43] <holycow> copyrights are basically black and white
[01:43] <tikka> holycow, :)
[01:44] <highvoltage> [Spooky] : but there's nothing wrong with downloading music videos.
[01:44] <holycow> unless they state that you can download them explicity, assume that the copy rights are owned by someone else
[01:44] <seterom2> hello i need help to switch from windows 2000 to ubuntu keeping both OS... can anyone help me? thanks
[01:44] <holycow> and you can only download/view/copy them under their terms and whatever 'fair use' terms your locality might have on the books
[01:44] <Mondoshawan> Hi all
[01:45] <holycow> hullo
[01:45] <Mondoshawan> do somebody use a console programm that shows (live) what kind of scripts are working in the background?
[01:45] <highvoltage> saying it's illegal to download music videos is like saying it's illegal to download software.
[01:45] <HappyFool> seterom2: is your drive partitioned?
[01:45] <poningru> http://www.hieroglyphics.com/features/video_vault/flash/deltron_3030_virus.swf
[01:45] <poningru> this one is legal
[01:45] <holycow> seterom2, well i would recommend starting out with either a removable tray and separate hard drives, or an external usb hard drive
[01:45] <highvoltage> both are perfectly legal, if it's in accordance with the terms of the author.
[01:45] <HappyFool> seterom2: i mean, do you have two partitions on your drive?
[01:45] <seterom2> i have a 40 gb machine with windows 2000, i have the disk at 50% so i want to install ubuntu in 15 gb... how i make the partition?
[01:45] <searcher`> highvoltage: actually, downloading movies/music is legal in holland, copyrighted software not
[01:45] <holycow> seterom2, you want to make sureyou really need a dual boot system before you kinda dip into it
[01:46] <MAPD> hi
[01:46] <highvoltage> searcher`: no it's not, you just have to give your credit card number :)
[01:46] <seterom2> yes..i want dual boot... so i can use both systems...
[01:46] <HappyFool> seterom2: you can *try* resizing the ntfs (windows 2000) partition; I don't know how risky that is
[01:46] <searcher`> highvoltage: nope, it's legal to download, but you can't upload
[01:46] <holycow> highvoltage, incorrect, there are various copyright conventions in most of the the 1st world countries that automatically prohibit any such behaviour
[01:46] <Mondoshawan> who use fetchmail i need some help
[01:46] <seterom2> its fat32
[01:46] <MAPD> i have a router so if  install ubuntu and connect the network cable it will work auto right?
[01:46] <searcher`> highvoltage: pesky little 1912 law about fair use
[01:47] <HappyFool> seterom2: i'd recommend backing up your data, and repartitioning the drive, if you can
[01:47] <holycow> there are certain small exceptions like here in canada, where our application of the conventions and copyright law were slightly out of date and allowed downloading of mp3's and such but not uploading
[01:47] <holycow> but thats going to be legislated away in the next sessions
[01:47] <seterom2> yes... my problem is that my windows is damaged...
[01:47] <highvoltage> holycow: then where are all these "legal" mp3 downloading coming from?
[01:47] <tikka> holycow, that stream directory is awesome thanks for that tip!
[01:47] <HappyFool> seterom2: damaged?
[01:47] <Dartsani> seterom2...partition magic will resize that partition easily
[01:47] <seterom2> and i dont have a new w2000 disk......
[01:47] <holycow> the same is pretty much true of all such signatories, i forget the name of the conventions for you to google
[01:47] <seterom2> yes... i cannot make a back up.. i can take files to a cd only
[01:47] <holycow> highvoltage, from the copy right holders them selves, i get it your being pedantic
[01:48] <seterom2> aha... partition magic could help
[01:48] <holycow> all cool, i had my pedantic moment earlier, yes your statement is correct
[01:48] <highvoltage> holycow, searcher`: is itunes then illegal in the US and Holland?
[01:48] <MAPD> holycow are you from india?
[01:48] <MAPD> :p
[01:48] <holycow> tikka, no worries, it is indeed
[01:48] <seterom2> so i use partition magic and i add a new partition with it... can i do it?
[01:48] <holycow> highvoltage, please read what i actually type, i think you will find the statements both accurate and fair.  i am not attacking your, particularly with the statement that validates your statement.
[01:49] <highvoltage> holycow: ok
[01:49] <Hobbsee> you should be able to - just make sure you actually do the partitioning, and not just leave it with a pretty picture and no changed harddrive
[01:49] <Trace> can anybody help me ? I seems damage my partition table, and i can not boot that computer now, when i use knoppix to check my partition table, i can not see any partitions any more!!
[01:49] <Hobbsee> for some reason, i didnt seem to find it terribly easy to do
[01:49] <Trace> Does i have any chance to repair my system?
[01:49] <mock> Anyone her with some porstgres experience?
[01:49] <MAPD> well
[01:49] <MAPD> i gtg
[01:49] <highvoltage> bottom line is that saying something like "downloading music is illegal" is incorrect.
[01:49] <MAPD> bye
[01:50] <holycow> Hobbsee, i've always found repartitioning 'iffy', it seems like the idea solution at first, until you haveto fix even the smallest error, then  you quickly end up buying a second hd
[01:50] <holycow> *shrug*
[01:50] <searcher`> highvoltage: legaltorrents has lots of CC licensed music
[01:50] <holycow> highvoltage, indeed, technically you are correct
[01:50] <searcher`> highvoltage: so even in an overlegislative community you can download that without problems
[01:51] <highvoltage> yep.
[01:51] <holycow> searcher`, tell that to the chinese
[01:51] <holycow> searcher`,  :)
[01:51] <Hobbsee> holycow: or end up wiping the entire hard disk, running ubuntu installer, creating a space for windows, installing ubuntu, then going and installing windows in the spare partition
[01:51] <Hobbsee> which is what i ended up doing
[01:51] <highvoltage> holycow, searcher`: sorry if it sounded like i wanted to fight/argue, i think i am a bit pedantic at times :)
[01:51] <holycow> highvoltage, hey no worries
[01:51] <znh> does anyone know a player that can play .midi files?
[01:51] <holycow> i made at least a dozen enemies just tonight!
[01:52] <holycow> i look for making more over the long weekend
[01:52] <highvoltage> znh: xmms
[01:52] <holycow> >_>
[01:52] <znh> holycow: May I be your friend then :-P
[01:52] <holycow> thats way too kinky for this channel i think
[01:52] <holycow> -_-
[01:52] <znh> if there are enemies, there are also friends
[01:52] <BollocksMacenzie> Does anyone know a good quake frontend, which works with add-ons?
[01:52] <holycow> znh, i keeed i keeed!
[01:53] <holycow> :)
[01:53] <holycow> BollocksMacenzie, okay, out of curiosity, which one did you download?
[01:53] <holycow> id offers linux native clients ... or?
[01:53] <Random_Sindrom> "High nevel argues never create enemies... just comrades".
[01:54] <highvoltage> nevel?
[01:54] <cafuego> highvoltage: "mist" in dutch
[01:54] <Random_Sindrom> level
[01:55] <cafuego> highvoltage: or a typo ;-)
[01:55] <Random_Sindrom> or devel
[01:55] <Random_Sindrom> as you wish
[01:55] <holycow> i thought that read navel
[01:55] <BollocksMacenzie> holycow: I've got Fuhquake, the three different Linux versions from the idsoftware ftp site, Netuiz and QuakeWorld (before I realised it was MP only)...
[01:56] <holycow> BollocksMacenzie, sorry i'm just trying to learn a bit more, 'mp only' <-- what does that mean?
[01:57] <arnonym> multiplayer
[01:57] <holycow> oh!
[01:57] <holycow> k :)
[01:58] <BollocksMacenzie> holycow: Multiplayer only!
[01:58] <Random_Sindrom> Now we got a Nickname nickname
[01:58] <holycow> BollocksMacenzie, for a moment i thought maybe it was a driver/xorg issue and i could work it out, i really have no clue about any quake clients tho :/
[01:58] <Random_Sindrom> that's high nevel
[01:58] <holycow> Random_Sindrom, indeed
[02:01] <thoreauputic> http://www.magnatune.com/    << their motto "Internet Music Without the Guilt" & "We are not evil" :) I like it
[02:02] <blk> in a changelog of the xorg package i saw that all XKB-config files were removed. Xorg doesn't start up (from gdm) anymore after this update (i installed xkeyboard-config) and starting Xorg from console gets me a running X with an error message when i close it saying something about xkb-files that couldn't be compiled (by xkbcomp) because they don't exist.
[02:02] <malvoj> hi, I have installed ubuntu and I have bad display resolution set. I have console and I don't know how could I change the display resolution eg. 800x600 thx much
[02:03] <holycow> blk, xorg doesn't start up from gdm?
[02:03] <blk> i also do get some errors about ipv6 (which i don't use and don't have kernel-side-support) - does breezy-X need ipv6?
[02:03] <thoreauputic> !resolution
[02:03] <ubotu> somebody said resolution was at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[02:03] <holycow> thats news to me, restarting gdm always restarts xorg here
[02:03] <holycow> blk, hoary?
[02:03] <blk> holycow, now breezy - should have specified that, sorry
[02:04] <blk> s/now/no/
[02:04] <holycow> blk, ipv6 is supported by the kernel natively, i'm not sure if you can really do anything about that or even why you would want to ...
[02:04] <Belutz> damn windows
[02:04] <malvoj> ubotu: I'll try it thx much
[02:04] <ubotu> malvoj: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[02:04] <arnonym> blk: did you install xkbutils?
[02:04] <holycow> k. *hmm* that interesting, got linkage on where it says that?
[02:04] <malvoj> ubotu: bradbox ;o? what is it?
[02:04] <ubotu> okay, malvoj
[02:04] <blk> holycow, i have a custom-compiled kernel and have taken out all ipv6 things
[02:04] <holycow>  ohhh okay
[02:05] <cafuego> Breezy is broken. Of course X doesn't work.
[02:05] <blk> arnonym, yeah i think xkbutils is installed (on OS-X right now)
[02:06] <ZZzum> the breezy is broken ..... ABNT2 is don't work correct... :P
[02:06] <cafuego> The Breezy fix is to not run breezy.
[02:07] <blk> cafuego, well i like breezy and i don't mind having to fix it myself if needed.. just looking for possible solutions
[02:07] <holycow> blk, sounds like a question for the dev mailing lists
[02:07] <arnonym> i got x on breezy running
[02:07] <cafuego> blk: hint: xutils is an empty package; it shouldn't be.
[02:08] <arnonym> i had to copy some files from a hoary install
[02:08] <cafuego> blk: Really though, if you can't fix this stuff on your own, you shouldn't be uing breezy.
[02:09] <blk> arnonym, thanks.. i'll do that if i can find a hoary somewhere ;)
[02:10] <robs> I have problems with firefox and I don't have backports enabled .. any idea ?
[02:11] <holycow> robs, read the topic
[02:12] <tikka> holycow, http://www.clubkydz.com:7654/stream <-- u like this ?
[02:12] <robs> holycow: yes, as I said I don't have backports enabled
[02:12] <azik> robs: rm -r $HOME/.mozilla
[02:12] <holycow> tikka, lovel y
[02:12] <holycow> :)
[02:12] <azik> and try to run it again
[02:13] <arnonym> bye
[02:13] <azik> save your bookmarks
[02:13] <azik> =)
[02:13] <markrian> Google + man pages are not helping me at all. How on Earth do I grep for lines that DON'T start with 'somestring'?
[02:13] <poningru> robs: whats the problem?
[02:13] <holycow> robs, i'm thinking that ff is fixed in hoary? you have reinstalled it to make sure?
[02:13] <nothingsometing> helllow i havea question
[02:13] <nothingsometing> um
[02:14] <holycow> hi, go ahead
[02:14] <nothingsometing> can i use an ftp on linux and acess the folders with a windows mechine
[02:14] <nothingsometing> or...files
[02:15] <holycow> yep
[02:15] <poningru> nothingsometing: are you reffereing to something on your own network?
[02:15] <holycow> infact you don't even need an ftp client
[02:15] <poningru> or somewhere else?
[02:15] <holycow> you can do it directly from gnome
[02:15] <cafuego> markrian: man grep, see '-v'
[02:15] <nothingsometing> yes i am
[02:15] <poningru> that actually requires ftp?
[02:15] <holycow> if you have ubuntu installed i can show you how
[02:15] <nothingsometing> nope
[02:15] <markrian> cafuego, thanks
[02:15] <markrian> cafuego, I'm useless today :|
[02:15] <nothingsometing> yep i horay
[02:16] <nothingsometing> < has horay
[02:16] <tiglionabbit> My motherboard's manual claims "Only Windows XP supports HyperThreading Technology.  Please disable it when using any other operating system".  It's kind of old.  Is this true?
[02:16] <poningru> nothingsometing: so the win computer is on the same network?
[02:16] <cafuego> tiglionabbit: No.
[02:16] <nothingsometing> yep
[02:16] <holycow> nothingsometing, look under places, there is a connect to server icon ... select that and setup whatever type of connection you need
[02:16] <cafuego> tiglionabbit: Linux does HT just fine.
[02:16] <tiglionabbit> cool
[02:16] <poningru> ubotu: tell tiglionabbit about samba
[02:16] <tiglionabbit> what, why samba?
[02:16] <cafuego> tiglionabbit: Doesn't mean stuff actually runs faster, though.,
[02:16] <holycow> nothingsometing, also under places there is anetwork browser icon, samab is installed by default, you should be able to browse to your windows network and open up shares
[02:16] <poningru> ooh sorry
[02:16] <poningru> wrong person
[02:17] <nothingsometing> wait maybe your not understanding i want to create an ftp server
[02:17] <poningru> ubotu: tell nothingsometing  about samba
[02:17] <RolandU> hi again! how do I configure my graphic card's TV-Out in Gnome?
[02:17] <cafuego> Two lobotomised CPUs aren't necessarily faster than a single full CPU.
[02:17] <nothingsometing> omg
[02:17] <nothingsometing> no
[02:17] <holycow> create an ftp server?
[02:17] <nothingsometing> wash your mouth out with soap
[02:17] <holycow> you mean a linux based server?
[02:17] <holycow> sudo apt-get install proftpd
[02:17] <poningru> nothingsometing: didnt you say that your win computer is in the same network as you
[02:17] <BollocksMacenzie> Depe
[02:17] <holycow> its that simple
[02:17] <nothingsometing> poningru
[02:17] <poningru> yeah
[02:17] <tiglionabbit> cafuego: that so?  I thought if they could execute twice as many instructions in a single cycle, that meant it's faster..
[02:18] <BollocksMacenzie> RolandU: Depends in what graqphics card you have?
[02:18] <cafuego> tiglionabbit: Not quite...
[02:18] <cafuego> tiglionabbit: It depends on the task they're doing.
[02:18] <nothingsometing> ~hands poningru soap~
[02:18] <tiglionabbit> cafuego: explain
[02:18] <poningru> ?
[02:18] <Random_Sindrom> "Just say what the man wants to know"
[02:18] <cafuego> tiglionabbit: I think you get a 10-20% gain in normal desktop operation.
[02:18] <RolandU> BollocksMacenzie, Radeon 9200
[02:18] <nothingsometing> i'e ben fighting with swat the whole night
[02:18] <poningru> hehe
[02:18] <poningru> ic
[02:18] <BollocksMacenzie> RonaldU: Just a sec
[02:19] <holycow> tikka, thats tasty indeed
[02:19] <cafuego> tiglionabbit: Well, if you have a task that would need the part of the CPU that is isolated as cpu#2, it would necessarily run slower without that bit.
[02:19] <nothingsometing> i can't seem to get the password case right cause xp is stupid
[02:19] <poningru> so you couldnt install samba at all?
[02:19] <holycow> nothingsometing, your running swat on ubuntu?
[02:19] <poningru> oh gotcha
[02:19] <holycow> *oooo*
[02:19] <nothingsometing> yeah
[02:19] <holycow> nothingsometing, you don't need to you know
[02:19] <cafuego> RolandU: That card works fine with the standard Xorg radeon driver.
[02:19] <nothingsometing> and i seem to have goten xp to see my computer and get to the folder i wanted
[02:19] <holycow> nothingsometing, more specifically what do you want to setup, ftp server on linux?  windows style shares on linux?
[02:20] <BollocksMacenzie> RonaldU: Go to Synaptic Package Manager and search for atitvout...
[02:20] <cafuego> Oh, you need tv.
[02:20] <cafuego> *brrr*
[02:20] <nothingsometing> anything that will let me see my music on my laptop (xp)
[02:20] <nothingsometing> just a simple task
[02:20] <cafuego> nothingsometing: samba
[02:21] <nothingsometing> (not)
[02:21] <cafuego> nothingsometing: install samba on linux, set up a share with your misuc, connect from windows. Use.
[02:21] <holycow> nothingsometing, sudo apt-get install proftpd is the quickest and easiest way, but it is ftp
[02:21] <holycow> nothingsometing, you can also install a streaming server, there are a few of those, icecast is one i think
[02:21] <nothingsometing> thank you ~poningru pass the soap to cafuego please~
[02:21] <RolandU> cafuego, does Ubuntu provide any magical tools to do that or do I have to edit the XF86Config-4 myselF?
[02:21] <nothingsometing> lol
[02:22] <BollocksMacenzie> RonaldU: I have a S3 card on my laptop and the TV out works perfectly... Although it is through a command line program! It should work for u too! I've got to go out so, you'll have to ask spomeone else if you need anything else!
[02:22] <poningru> rofl
[02:22] <cafuego> RolandU: I missed the tv bit. You *may* need additional special drivers (atitvout) for that.
[02:22] <RolandU> BollocksMacenzie: thanks
[02:22] <nothingsometing> cafuego i've ben fighting with samba for 3 nights swat for 1
[02:23] <cafuego> nothingsometing: Fighting? What didn't work?
[02:23] <nothingsometing> um
[02:23] <RolandU> cafuego, well, I can see a picture, but it's scrambled.
[02:23] <cafuego> nothingsometing: Does the music live in your homedir?
[02:23] <nothingsometing> oooh
[02:23] <cafuego> RolandU: Is it outputting NTFS on a PAL tv or vice versa?
[02:23] <cafuego> eh
[02:23] <cafuego> NTSC :-)
[02:23] <cafuego> Those shitty technologies all sound alike
[02:24] <nothingsometing> i see the music with the xp computer i just can't acess it and for som reason xp thinks i'm a domain and i can't tell it otherwise
[02:24] <cafuego> nothingsometing: a domain?
[02:24] <nothingsometing> (music folder)
[02:24] <nothingsometing> yah
[02:24] <nothingsometing> weird
[02:24] <thoreauputic> cafuego: heh - for one horrible moment I thought MS had taken over the US TV standard ;-)
[02:24] <cafuego> What do you mean by that?
[02:24] <RolandU> cafuego, no, ntfs looks different.... I think it's just a wrong resolution / frequency
[02:24] <cafuego> RolandU: Are you trying to mirror VGA to the TV?
[02:25] <nothingsometing> computer name / user
[02:25] <nothingsometing> i mean
[02:25] <nothingsometing> domain/user on xp
[02:25] <holycow> >_>
[02:25] <cafuego> nothingsometing: Did you add your user account to samba via 'smbpasswd' ?
[02:25] <necrogami> .....
[02:25] <holycow> necrogami, rofl
[02:25] <cafuego> there IS NOT 2 GB of _good_ music on this planet!
[02:25] <holycow> how can you possibly have that much music? work at a radio station?
[02:25] <RolandU> cafuego, either mirror it or expand the desktop there, or just make it switchable
[02:26] <necrogami> no there isnt
[02:26] <holycow> cafuego, let alone 2 terrabytes
[02:26] <necrogami> .. and i never said i bought the cd's eather
[02:26] <holycow> -__
[02:26] <necrogami> :-D
[02:26] <holycow> -_-
[02:26] <necrogami> i have them all
[02:26] <robs> poningru: mozilla doesn't start. I deleted $HOME/.mozilla and reinstalled mozilla-firefox, but the problem is there
[02:26] <cafuego> RolandU: Hmm... I have _no_ experience with that. Maybe google is the way to go. Find someone with a 9200 who's done it already.
[02:26] <cafuego> holycow: hrrrm
[02:26] <necrogami> i found a loophole in the system
[02:26] <necrogami> Hell
[02:26] <poningru> robs: so firefox doesnt start?
[02:26] <RolandU> ok, thanks
[02:27] <necrogami> i have more then 2gb of Awesome techno
[02:27] <cafuego> necrogami: No, techno is a waste of disk space, like irc logs.
[02:27] <robs> poningru: exactly
[02:27] <poningru> robs: what error does it give?
[02:27] <holycow> robs, i had that once, i had to reinstall completely, that didn't work either?
[02:27] <necrogami> :- \ IN YOUR opinion
[02:27] <robs> poningru: nothing, it simply doesn't start
[02:27] <nothingsometing> cafuego i am useing SWAT
[02:27] <cafuego> necrogami: That was the only one that counted, last I checked.
[02:27] <state> hallo welt
[02:27] <poningru> robs: have you tried opening in a terminal?
[02:27] <robs> holycow: it seems that reinstall doesn't work
[02:27] <zho> dear all.. how to sharing my connection?
[02:28] <holycow> robs, open up a shell and type in mozilla-firefox
[02:28] <robs> poningru: yes, no output
[02:28] <holycow> now tell us what error you get
[02:28] <highvoltage> ok, so what do I have to do in breezy to get Xorg starting?
[02:28] <poningru> wtf
[02:28] <poningru> you sure firefox is installed?
[02:28] <holycow> robs, *nod*
[02:28] <poningru> haaay
[02:28] <poningru> I like documentries
[02:28] <poningru> and I have a 5 foot one whats your point?
[02:29] <robs> robs@rescued:~$ mozilla-firefox
[02:29] <robs> robs@rescued:~$
[02:29] <resiak> WANG
[02:29] <necrogami> AJC Indiana?
[02:29] <robs> (sorry for the paste)
[02:29] <holycow> highvoltage, the expectation with breezy is that you have the knowledge to basically resolve it your self, if not hoary might be a suggestion :)
[02:29] <cafuego> poningru: we were just waving them around, i think
[02:29] <holycow> i kno i kno :) ya wanna breezy :)
[02:29] <holycow> ehe
[02:29] <holycow> robs, thats impossible
[02:29] <poningru> robs: I think its not installed
[02:29] <holycow> exactly
[02:29] <poningru> where did you install it from?
[02:29] <necrogami> apt-get .. lol
[02:29] <Mobius> anyone have unichrome support working for them?
[02:29] <necrogami> :-Pp
[02:29] <poningru> from apt-get or from mozilla.org?
[02:29] <robs> from the main repository
[02:29] <highvoltage> holycow: i have to do some testing in breezy, and -devel said i should ask here.
[02:30] <robs> ii  mozilla-firefox                   1.0.6-0ubuntu0.1
[02:30] <holycow> highvoltage, :) i was kidden ehe , its a hard question to answer tho
[02:30] <poningru> hmm wierd
[02:30] <cafuego> robs: 'strace mozilla-firefox'
[02:31] <robs> did that, it says read(4, 0xbfffef33, 1)                  = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)
[02:31] <robs> and then close()
[02:31] <highvoltage> holycow: ok, i'll try to figure it out myself then... :)
[02:31] <cafuego> robs: Time to downgrade to the hoary one, then.
[02:31] <holycow> highvoltage, don't forget the developers mailing lists if you are doing testing
[02:31] <necrogami> OMG i cant wait till i graduate ~.~
[02:31] <Belutz> damn virus :(
[02:31] <holycow> robs, your not running hoary?
[02:31] <holycow> *cough*
[02:32] <robs> yes, I'm running hoary
[02:32] <cafuego> holycow: actually, he might be. I think im isunderstodd
[02:32] <mpmc>  WE MUST REPLACE WINDOWS!
[02:32] <mpmc> LOL
[02:32] <tahorg> (woow font rendering in breezy is just awsome)
[02:32] <cafuego> mpmc: with what, forcefields?
[02:33] <robs> well, I'll try with the mozilla.org package
[02:33] <mpmc> no... cheese graters...
[02:33] <necrogami> lol naaaa i think we should start a fund
[02:33] <holycow> robs, i'm sorry, you got me there, i have no idea at this point
[02:33] <nothingsometing> i'm going to try an ftp server anyone know one for horay that has really good GUI
[02:33] <necrogami> to Stick an Linux for Dummies book in every mailbox in the world
[02:33] <cafuego> robs: Just don't overwrite the ubuntu files
[02:33] <mpmc> damm.... it.... do not say my name!
[02:33] <cafuego> nothingsometing: No. server and gui don't mix
[02:33] <holycow> nothingsometing, there is no ftpd that i know of that has a gui on linux
[02:33] <necrogami> nothingsometing: none have a good gui
[02:34] <mpmc> lol.. thx god
[02:34] <cafuego> nothingsometing: Just trash samba; all of it. Then reinstall.
[02:34] <necrogami> nothingsometing: GUI and Servers = huh?! ive yet to see a gui server... not a Production one that is
[02:34] <cafuego> nothingsometing: Then add your user account to samba via smbpasswd.
[02:34] <Mobius> anyone care to help me get my mini-itx working? fresh install for my parents
[02:34] <cafuego> nothingsometing: Then tell Xp you're on a WORKGROUP, not a DOMAIN.
[02:34] <necrogami> Most GUI you will get is PROftpd and a PHP/Mysql System  Administaration and Web Interface
[02:35] <holycow> Mobius, mini itx can be funky, they aren't exctly linux friendly
[02:35] <holycow> Mobius, how far have you gotten?
[02:35] <nothingsometing> someone was telling me that i had one already or was that a dream
[02:35] <zho> dear all i have just updating the mozilla-firefox... but some of gnome-applet was crashed.... how to restore it?
[02:35] <Mobius> Read a bit on the forums, but its a fresh install as of 30 minutes ago
[02:35] <necrogami> dream
[02:35] <holycow> nothingsometing, wishfull thinking halfway through your samba frustration
[02:35] <cafuego> nothingsometing: Well, I can't tell from the info you've provided sofar.
[02:35] <holycow> we've all been there
[02:35] <holycow> :)
[02:35] <necrogami> apt-get install proftpd
[02:35] <necrogami> .. heh
[02:36] <zho> hello?
[02:36] <necrogami> Ello
[02:36] <Mobius> holycow, right now I am getting about 50 FPS on glxgears
[02:36] <cafuego> are you there?
[02:36] <zho> anybody can help me?
[02:36] <nasdaq7> what is colony?
[02:36] <necrogami> zho gotta ask a question first
[02:36] <nasdaq7> cd 2?
[02:36] <holycow> Mobius, your not going to get much more than that
[02:36] <cafuego> nothingsometing: he did
[02:36] <cafuego> necrogami: he did
[02:37] <cafuego> zho: right-click on the panel and re-add the applet.
[02:37] <zho> cafuego: at startup... that applet was crashed... can i re-add it?
[02:37] <holycow> via drivers arent exactly ogl friendly, and their latest release seems to have been mostly some weird joke as they brought that stuff under proprietary licence again
[02:37] <zho> (gnome-mixer)
[02:37] <cafuego> zho: Well, try anyway.
[02:37] <cafuego> zho: Are you on breezy?
[02:38] <Mobius> holycow, should I just not even bother then?
[02:38] <holycow> Mobius, well do your parents need ogl really?
[02:38] <needlz> hi. can anyone tell me how i can change the keyboard layout for ubuntu
[02:38] <Mobius> this is for my parents, and they are not experienced..
[02:38] <zho> The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_Panel_TrashApplet". do you want to delete the applet from your configuration...?
[02:38] <Mobius> well, the screen looks like crap at the moment
[02:38] <necrogami> Now my turn for a question: i have a PCMCIA PCI CardBus and my wireless Card is PCMCIA 2Wire 802.11b . first how do i start PCMCIA services and get it to detect the card for wireless support???
[02:38] <holycow> Mobius, we might be able to fix that, depends.  what do you mean 'crap'?
[02:38] <robs> uff what a mess
[02:38] <cafuego> necrogami: install pcmcia-cs; start pcmcia-cs; insert card
[02:38] <zho> cafuego: can't re add it... The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_Panel_TrashApplet". do you want to delete the applet from your configuration...?
[02:39] <cafuego> zho: Are you running breezy?
[02:39] <zho> ??? what is breezy?
[02:39] <Mobius> well, the windows don't move smoothly, and there are a lot of artifcats on the screen when stuff is redrawn
[02:39] <holycow> Mobius, you are probably using the vesa drivers
[02:39] <zho> sorry.. i'm beginner on ubuntu..
[02:39] <cafuego> zho: Which version of Ubuntu are you running?
[02:39] <thoreauputic> zho:  cat /etc/issue
[02:39] <holycow> you will need to select the via drivers and restart x
[02:39] <holycow> to do that do the following on command line:
[02:39] <zho> hoary-hedgehog 5.04
[02:40] <holycow> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:40] <holycow> then follow the instructions and select the via drivers in the beggining of that
[02:40] <zho> cafuego: hoary-hedgehog 5.04
[02:41] <needlz> mh...hello? im running kubuntu 5.04 and i dont know how to change the keyboard layout.. can someone help me pls?
[02:41] <cafuego> zho: ok, odd then. I haven't heard of that happening on Hoary.
[02:41] <needlz> its us english right now and i want german
[02:41] <cafuego> needlz: try #kubuntu
[02:41] <necrogami> ok i have PCMCIA-CS installed
[02:41] <necrogami> how do i start it
[02:41] <zeus> hello
[02:41] <zho> hiks.... should i re install it again?
[02:41] <nothingsometing> ok let me be precise samba is posesed and i'm not an excorcist because xp (laptop) saw samba and could see folders like 5 hours ago but at the same time xp(desktop) could see the computer but ddn't know what it was and i couldn't log on : now, xp(laptop) can't see anything (even xp desktop) and pops up with error message
[02:41] <zho> cafuego: hiks.... should i re install it again?
[02:41] <zho> cafuego: reinstall ubuntu.. i meant..
[02:42] <zeus> i cant solve the network hang on startup.
[02:42] <nothingsometing> is anyone a preist
[02:42] <WeirdAl> Hi
[02:42] <needlz> cafuego, how would you do it in ubuntu? because i think it doesnt matter...im running enlightenment and the base is the same
[02:42] <zeus> oh
[02:42] <cafuego> zho: Well, I don't know.
[02:42] <zeus> and also, a truly dumbest question. which av and firewall are recomended
[02:42] <WeirdAl> Every time I dist-upgrade it says the following packages have been kept back: libavcodeccvs libavifile-0.7c102 libpostproc0 libxvidcore4
[02:42] <cafuego> necrogami: /etc/init.d/pcmcia start
[02:43] <nothingsometing> preist or sugestions would help
[02:43] <WeirdAl> Why would they be kept back and how do I get them to not be?
[02:43] <holycow> zeus, i don't think anyone has seen a linux virus in the wild
[02:43] <cafuego> zho: I would guess the same issue would happen again if you installed the same software.
[02:43] <zeus> but i did see people use av
[02:43] <holycow> zeus, there really is no such thing as antivirus for linux, although a few companies appearently sell it
[02:43] <necrogami> ok
[02:43] <necrogami> well the card didnt come on
[02:43] <necrogami> :- \
[02:43] <Mobius> holycow - reconfigured, now restart x?
[02:43] <holycow> zeus, sure, windows users who cannot imagine a world without viruses
[02:43] <cafuego> necrogami: 'cardctl ident'  -what does it say it is?
[02:43] <holycow> welcome to linux, your unlikely to see them here
[02:44] <zeus> *grin*
[02:44] <holycow> Mobius, ctrl / alt / backspace or justt logout and log back in
[02:44] <necrogami>   no product info available
[02:44] <cafuego> needlz: I';d choose a different keyboard layout in the prferences. But I'm fairly sure E doesn't have that applet.
[02:44] <holycow> zeus, as for firewall, install firestarter, its just a frontend for iptables and its really quite excellent
[02:44] <cafuego> necrogami: does 'dmesg' list anything sueful?
[02:45] <Mobius> bah, i hate it when x doesn't restart =/
[02:45] <holycow> zeus, give it a go, the default install is pretty darned good imho
[02:45] <holycow> Mobius, from command line: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[02:45] <zeus> holycow, im a NIS user :) is it easy to config?
[02:45] <cafuego> holycow: clamav works fine, thankyou.
[02:45] <holycow> cafuego, for what?
[02:45] <holycow> windows viruses?
[02:45] <cafuego> holycow: antiviruas
[02:45] <necrogami> cs: unable to map card memory!
[02:45] <cafuego> holycow: antivirus
[02:45] <holycow> sure i use it on a spam blocking server
[02:46] <holycow> lol cafuego i think he means a local antivirus client like symantec on windows
[02:46] <zeus> is it graphical?
[02:46] <holycow> zeus, no
[02:46] <holycow> firestarter is
[02:46] <cafuego> holycow: Well, he can use clamav for that too >just completely  pointless :-)
[02:46] <nothingsometing> you mean GUI
[02:46] <holycow> cafuego, :) indeedy
[02:46] <nothingsometing> zeus
[02:47] <nothingsometing> some people in here don't know what you mean by that
[02:47] <nothingsometing> lol
[02:47] <nothingsometing> :P
[02:47] <thespiritoftal> hi my ubuntu works really slow...I cant understand why really. it is my only operation system..I have a p4 with a 20gb harddrive... what can be the reason? what should i do to make it work faster?
[02:47] <zeus> what, NIS? norton internet security
[02:47] <WeirdAl> How do I restart the network interfaces?
[02:47] <holycow> thespiritoftal, you are probably running vesa graphics drivers
[02:47] <holycow> thespiritoftal, what kind of video card do you have?
[02:47] <cafuego> zeus: nis is something else entirely in the Linux world.
[02:47] <necrogami> thespiritoftal: Ram? type? Swap? What speed P4?
[02:48] <Mobius> holycow - looks much mch better, thanks! the first time I booted, HAL daemon didn't initialize, any thoughts?
[02:48] <thespiritoftal> holycow: I don't know that exactly... how can i learn that?
[02:48] <zeus> oh
[02:48] <cafuego> zeus: You don't need a firewall or antivirus on a normal installed Ubuntu machine, though.
[02:48] <zeus> pardon
[02:48] <thespiritoftal> necrogami: swap is 200 mbs and ram is 256 mb
[02:48] <cafuego> zeus: it has NO open ports and viruses don't work on Linux
[02:48] <zeus> cafuego, for sure? im on the net all the time
[02:48] <holycow> Mobius, reboot again, see if its there, sorry i know there are more sophisticated methods to debug that, i'm thinking its just a one time glitch
[02:48] <necrogami> Socket type P4?
[02:48] <cafuego> zeus: For sure. It doesn't listen on the net unless you explicitly install software that does.
[02:48] <drummer87> should there be a firewall on a Ubuntu web server?
[02:49] <zeus> i didnt.
[02:49] <zeus> only browsing and stuff
[02:49] <cafuego> zeus: you'll be fine then.
[02:49] <necrogami> cafuego: all it told me was taht CS couldnt map memory
[02:49] <holycow> thespiritoftal, good question :) its hard to answer because you haveto know what you are looking for
[02:49] <zeus> what a relief. one of the reason for the change is Norton stuff is very heavy on my systgem
[02:49] <noctrnal> wow constant question/answers at 8am ..
[02:49] <cafuego> necrogami: Hmm.
[02:49] <Mobius> holycow - hasn't happened but once this install, and it was the first boot, no problems since - i hope it is just not random so my parents don't wonder
[02:49] <thespiritoftal> necrogami: it is just a normal P4 don't know its speed exactly though... but windows worked quite well
[02:49] <cafuego> necrogami: 11pm, you mean?
[02:49] <cafuego> grrrr!
[02:49] <cafuego> noctrnal even
[02:49] <holycow> Mobius, its a random thing i would bet on that
[02:50] <necrogami> 478?
[02:50] <cafuego> thespiritoftal: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[02:50] <Mobius> holycow - hope my parents don't mind =p
[02:50] <noctrnal> yeah suppose 11pm'd be a bit more normal ~ but then again. i'm here.
[02:50] <cafuego> thespiritoftal: that will tell you the speed
[02:50] <nothingsometing> how do i get someone to see just my script in red
[02:50] <necrogami> lol
[02:50] <nothingsometing> it is buging me
[02:50] <holycow> Mobius, most peoples parents don't need ogl, you should be fine :) just make sure the ogl screen savers are disabled
[02:50] <nothingsometing> i want to be special
[02:50] <cafuego> nothingsometing: you ARE in red
[02:50] <cafuego> nothingsometing: .. being a nonidentified user...
[02:50] <zeus> i saw in a forum there is an installer for ati driver, 35mb. where can I get it? ATI doesnt have it.
[02:51] <thespiritoftal> it is  Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.50GHz
[02:51] <nothingsometing> wait what do you mean
[02:51] <necrogami> ew
[02:51] <nothingsometing> i'm in red all the time
[02:51] <necrogami> ramtype?!
[02:51] <holycow> thespiritoftal, sounds like your video is onboard
[02:51] <cafuego> zeus: It's already in Ubuntu. It's called 'fglrx'.
[02:51] <necrogami> pray its not RD Ram
[02:51] <holycow> and its either via or intel chipset
[02:51] <holycow> but it didn't get detected during install ... ?
[02:51] <thespiritoftal> yeah it did I believe
[02:51] <holycow> how do we run a regular user through figuring out what vid chipset they have if they don't know what to look for?
[02:51] <thespiritoftal> no way to learn it with any command?
[02:51] <cafuego> thespiritoftal: typ 'lspci' and see what it says about vga or video...
[02:51] <zeus> need to do anything special except install it through synaptics?
[02:52] <cafuego> zeus: Hold on
[02:52] <necrogami> cafuego: is there a command you can think of for me?
[02:52] <holycow> cafuego, that should work
[02:52] <nothingsometing> cafuego: so this dosen't do anything diffrent
[02:52] <cafuego> !info linux-restricted-modules
[02:52] <nothingsometing> than this
[02:52] <thespiritoftal> holycow: is it this? VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  65x/M650/740 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter
[02:52] <cafuego> nothingsometing: Of course not, my irc client stips all non-ascii shit
[02:52] <necrogami> ew
[02:52] <holycow> oh sis
[02:52] <holycow> you just need the sis drivers
[02:53] <Random_Sindrom> nothing: I see u just the same
[02:53] <holycow> from command line do this:
[02:53] <nothingsometing> ooh it's a client thing
[02:53] <cafuego> !find fglrx
[02:53] <necrogami> thespiritoftal: ... thats most likely why
[02:53] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'fglrx' (6 shown): fglrx-control ;; fglrx-kernel-source ;; xfree86-driver-fglrx ;; xfree86-driver-fglrx-dev ;; xorg-driver-fglrx ;; xorg-driver-fglrx-dev.
[02:53] <holycow> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xsesrver-xorg
[02:53] <holycow> at the begining just select the sis drivers
[02:53] <holycow> you will have a fairly snappy desktop
[02:53] <nothingsometing> but you chould have the same one as me if your ubuntu unless you swiched
[02:53] <holycow> but no real ogl support
[02:53] <cafuego> zeus: install xorg-drivers-fglrx
[02:53] <thespiritoftal> what's ogl support?
[02:53] <cafuego> zeus: There is a kernel modules that goes with it, but I think it might pull that in automatically.
[02:53] <holycow> thespiritoftal, for 3d games like quake or something
[02:53] <necrogami> ouch no ogl support .. .~.~ i hate onboard cards
[02:54] <holycow> most people don't need it
[02:54] <nothingsometing> i'm still slooking for an ftp server GUI
[02:54] <nothingsometing> :/
[02:54] <thespiritoftal> holycow: I don't play games at all
[02:54] <cafuego> !depends xorg-drivers-fglrx
[02:54] <zeus> need a restart or any way to load it while working?
[02:54] <nothingsometing> i'll tell you if i find one
[02:54] <necrogami> nothing
[02:54] <necrogami> what are you using it for?
[02:54] <holycow> thespiritoftal, i don't either, sis drivers should be enough for both of us, i use sis chipsets a lot
[02:54] <necrogami> nothingsometing: what are you going to use the ftp server for?
[02:54] <nothingsometing> is their a way you can search JUST for debina lunix in google
[02:54] <cafuego> Hmmno, it doesn't
[02:55] <holycow> nothingsometing, you dont need a gui, just install proftpd, and create a unix user
[02:55] <nothingsometing> use it sort of like samba
[02:55] <nothingsometing> only for 3 files
[02:55] <holycow> thats the user they will login with
[02:55] <cafuego> zeus: No need to restart, just reconfigure and restart X. Not Linux.
[02:55] <holycow> you can control the rest of it through the config file
[02:55] <necrogami> one sec
[02:55] <cafuego> zeus: There's a package called "restricted-modules" or somesuch, you need that too.
[02:55] <necrogami> use this "<serachdata> site: debian.org
[02:55] <thespiritoftal> holycow: how many memory should the card use?
[02:55] <zeus> as you probably noticed, im a green green newbie. how to restart only gnome?
[02:55] <holycow> if you don't know just accept the default
[02:55] <holycow> even if its empty
[02:56] <cafuego> zeus: logout; hit ctrl-alt-backspace
[02:56] <drummer87> www.google.com/linux ?? not just debian but closer than just google
[02:56] <nothingsometing> necrogami: was that for me the whole debian thing
[02:56] <nothingsometing> yeah i was just hopeing
[02:56] <zeus> bbiab
[02:56] <cafuego> zeus: Before that; you NEED that restricted-modules thing and you'll need to run 'sudo dpkg-reocnfigure -plow xserver-xorg' and tell it to use the fglrx driver.
[02:56] <necrogami> for the whole Searching a package in debian
[02:56] <necrogami> other then that
[02:57] <necrogami> searching a package in Ubuntu
[02:57] <zeus> x server = gnome?
[02:57] <necrogami> http://package.ubuntu.com
[02:57] <cafuego> necrogami: just ask the bot.
[02:57] <holycow> cafuego, are you sure?
[02:57] <holycow> i installed fglrx without using that ever?
[02:57] <cafuego> zeus: no, X is the framework that gnome uses to display stuff.
[02:57] <scapor> necrogami: packageS
[02:57] <holycow> oh wait nm, that makes sense
[02:57] <thespiritoftal> holycow: how many memory should the video card use?
[02:57] <necrogami> :p il make note of that
[02:57] <thespiritoftal> it asks for that
[02:57] <holycow> thespiritoftal, just hit enter
[02:57] <necrogami> http://packages.ubuntu.com
[02:57] <necrogami> heh
[02:57] <cafuego> thespiritoftal: ignore that, just hit return
[02:57] <holycow> leave it blank
[02:57] <nothingsometing> dosen't apache have sort of a web type GUI
[02:58] <holycow> nothingsometing, no
[02:58] <cafuego> necrogami: For example, '/msg ubotu find apache'
[02:58] <thespiritoftal> holycow: now it asks something about framebuffer
[02:58] <holycow> thespiritoftal, if you don't know hit enter
[02:58] <scapor> thespiritoftal: always just hit enter, exept for the beginning where you chse the driver and then at the end the resolution etc :D
[02:58] <nothingsometing> or am i thinking of webmin
[02:58] <necrogami> ahh
[02:58] <necrogami> this is my first day on the IRC channel
[02:58] <cafuego> necrogami: No need to open a browser window :-)
[02:58] <necrogami> been around ubuntu since initial release of 4.10
[02:58] <necrogami> :-)
[02:58] <zeus> cafuego, Non-free Linux 2.6.10 modules on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV <----- i have it installed
[02:58] <holycow> nothingsometing, probably webmin yes, no one bothers to write guis for linux stuff mostly becase in the end its 20 times the workd for little gain
[02:59] <tikka> poningru, I just watched that music video.. its pretty cool hehe thanks for finding :D
[02:59] <cafuego> zeus: cool.
[02:59] <cafuego> zeus: you'll be right then
[02:59] <holycow> thespiritoftal, as long as you selected the sis driver in the beginning just accepting the defaults should be okay
[02:59] <zeus> running the command you said...
[02:59] <necrogami> most of the time ... only 1 in 1000 linux users would use it so there isnt that much of a point to make it
[02:59] <klaym> Ubuntu Hoary is GTK 2.X, right ?
[02:59] <cafuego> zeus: That had a typo
[02:59] <holycow> when you are done on comman line do: sudo /etc/init.d/gmd restart
[02:59] <poningru> tikka: np
[02:59] <cafuego> zeus: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg
[02:59] <thespiritoftal> holycow: ok thanks for the help :)
[03:00] <holycow> np let us know if you get stuck
[03:00] <holycow> klaym, yes
[03:00] <thespiritoftal> holycow: now should i restart?
[03:00] <klaym> yep. and no other type of themes go, I assume?
[03:00] <holycow> klaym, more specifically gnome 2.x has been gtk 2.x for quite a while :)
[03:00] <nothingsometing> accept for lazy users like me ... why is there a GUI ftp CLIENT and not GUI ftp SERVER (just to poke at me)
[03:00] <tikka> Anyone using a radeon graphics card? Mine is the 9550 and its rather sluggish on 2d in ubuntu.. suggestions?
[03:00] <holycow> thespiritoftal, when you are done on comman line do: sudo /etc/init.d/gmd restart
[03:00] <cafuego> tikka: which driver are you using?
[03:01] <thoreauputic> holycow:  s/gmd/gdm
[03:01] <thespiritoftal> holycow sudo: /etc/init.d/gmd: command not found
[03:01] <zeus> cafuego, autodetect or manual?
[03:01] <holycow> typo
[03:01] <thoreauputic> thespiritoftal: gdm
[03:01] <scapor> thespiritoftal: /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[03:01] <cogumbreiro> lo all
[03:01] <holycow> thespiritoftal, what thoreauputic said
[03:01] <thespiritoftal> oh ok
[03:01] <cafuego> zeus: Ummm. Manual.
[03:01] <cafuego> zeus: Tell it you want a specific driver.
[03:02] <tikka> cafuego, at first, the original one. I then downloaded the one from the ati website and proceeded to follow the million questions their script asks. Reboot, keyboard mapping was wrong but thats obviosly trivial and i find the gui feel is about twice as slow lol
[03:02] <cafuego> zeus: You can just accept defaults on most questions, though.
[03:02] <thespiritoftal>  * Starting GNOME Display Manager...                                     [fail] 
[03:02] <scapor> thespiritoftal: you can also just log off from gnome and relogin though
[03:02] <thespiritoftal> hmm ok
[03:02] <PrimoTurbo> wtf where did my userlist go I can't see people in xchat, how do I enable it again?
[03:02] <cogumbreiro> does anyone with an AMD64 had success installing ATI latest stock?
[03:02] <cafuego> tikka: Yes, well. That driver was already packaged for ubuntu...
[03:02] <tikka> cafuego, ahh
[03:02] <tikka> What can one do :)
[03:02] <thoreauputic> PrimoTurbo: probably just need to drag from the right edge
[03:02] <holycow> PrimoTurbo, drag the fram open from the right hand side
[03:02] <luzbelito> hi to all. i cant run one application via WINE: Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"  Video card: Nvidia Gforce 5200. How can i solve it ????
[03:02] <holycow> you dragged it over too far
[03:03] <cogumbreiro> when I try to compile the module this error appears: Relocatable linking with relocations from format elf64-x86-64 (/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/libfglrx_ip.a.GCC3(vm.o)) to format elf32-i386 (/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/fglrx.o) is not supported
[03:03] <cafuego> luzbelito: configure X properly.
[03:03] <PrimoTurbo> Thanks guys, total noob here
[03:03] <cafuego> cogumbreiro: Do the docs say it's supposed to work on AMD64?
[03:03] <holycow> PrimoTurbo, no worries
[03:03] <necrogami> its trying to compile 32bit code not 64bit
[03:03] <cogumbreiro> luzbelito, grep glx /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:03] <tikka> cafuego, Do you have any suggestions ?
[03:03] <PrimoTurbo> Does anyone know how to remove the ^ from pop up menus in gnome?
[03:03] <cogumbreiro> cafuego, yup
[03:03] <cafuego> luzbelito: specifically, tell X to load the glx module.
[03:04] <cogumbreiro> cafuego, there are older drivers already packaged to ubuntu 64
[03:04] <cafuego> cogumbreiro: Do those work ok?
[03:04] <thespiritoftal> Thank you all :)
[03:04] <cogumbreiro> necrogami, and how do I change that
[03:04] <cafuego> cogumbreiro: (when I bought my nvidia, ati didn't have amd64 drivers)
[03:04] <cogumbreiro> cafuego, they are too slow, i was trying to figure if the latest drivers improved the performance
[03:04] <necrogami> gotta get code written for 64bit core not 32bit core
[03:05] <luzbelito> root@cccp:/etc/X11 # grep glx /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:05] <luzbelito>         Load    "glx"
[03:05] <luzbelito> its ok with that one ?
[03:05] <cogumbreiro> necrogami, i'm on a 32 bit system
[03:05] <zeus> cafuego, in the x.org server modules do i need to mark GLcore?
[03:05] <cogumbreiro> luzbelito, yes
[03:05] <cogumbreiro> luzbelito, grep GLcore /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:05] <cafuego> zeus: Check the README in /usr/share/doc/fglrx/ - I'm not certain (i got nvidia)
[03:05] <necrogami> the module this error appears: Relocatable linking with relocations from format--------------> elf64-x86-64 <--------------------(/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/libfglrx_ip.a.GCC3(vm.o)) to
[03:06] <thespiritoftal> what is postfix?
[03:06] <necrogami> that is 64bit
[03:06] <luzbelito> GLCore not loaded
[03:06] <luzbelito> i must add it ?
[03:06] <cogumbreiro> thespiritoftal, a program to send email, smtp
[03:06] <necrogami> that elf package is 64bit
[03:06] <luzbelito> cogumbreiro, GL is not loaded. shoud i add it ?
[03:07] <cogumbreiro> luzbelito, check if dri is
[03:07] <thoreauputic> thespiritoftal: mail server default on ubuntu
[03:07] <nothingsometing> can debian use these both GTK+ and Motif
[03:07] <cafuego> cogumbreiro: Stupid question: does the 'ati' driver work ok?
[03:07] <nothingsometing> or either
[03:07] <cogumbreiro> luzbelito, no, GLcore is not supposed to be with too. Have you followed what's on the wiki?
[03:07] <cafuego> nothingsometing: Ask on #debian ;-)
[03:07] <necrogami> if your running a 64bit Processor on a 32bit os then NO 64bit software wil work ..if using 64bit os then only software designed for that os will work
[03:07] <cogumbreiro> cafuego, no, no 3d
[03:07] <luzbelito> dri is ok
[03:07] <thespiritoftal> I don't need it I think... will it be any problems if I remove it?
[03:07] <nothingsometing> can ubuntu use both GTK+ and Motif
[03:07] <scapor> nothingsometing: both of course, in other apps
[03:07] <nothingsometing> better?
[03:07] <cogumbreiro> necrogami, did I say the contrary?
[03:07] <cafuego> necrogami: No, 32bit software works mostly find on an am64 in 64bit mode
[03:08] <cogumbreiro> nothingsometing, yes
[03:08] <thoreauputic> thespiritoftal: it sends you error messages locally - I'd leave it alone
[03:08] <thespiritoftal> oh that's bad
[03:08] <necrogami> im getting lines crossed .. lol
[03:08] <thespiritoftal> but it runs at every startup and slows down the computer right?
[03:08] <cogumbreiro> cafuego, 32 bit _works_ on amd64
[03:08] <necrogami> that Elf Package is a 64bit package tho
[03:08] <luzbelito> cogumbreiro, i am getting losed. what i must do ?
[03:08] <cafuego> thespiritoftal: Remember rule #1.
[03:08] <zeus> how can I check if its using the xorg right now?
[03:08] <cafuego> cogumbreiro: Mostly, yes.
[03:09] <thespiritoftal> what's rule #1?
[03:09] <cogumbreiro> necrogami, that's the problem
[03:09] <cafuego> !rule 1
[03:09] <ubotu> Rule number one: Don't fix it if it isn't broken!
[03:09] <reka> what's the best way of installing realplayer?  is there a particular version/alternate program (besides mplayer) i should go for?
[03:09] <necrogami> x86-64 denotes 64bit package
[03:09] <thespiritoftal> :) ok
[03:09] <cogumbreiro> cafuego, yes, mostly, otherwise fglrx would be working :P
[03:09] <cafuego> cogumbreiro: <heh>
[03:09] <cafuego> cogumbreiro: have you had reports from other amd64 users with the same issue?
[03:09] <cogumbreiro> thespiritoftal, what?
[03:09] <MartenH> Would it be possible to differentiate between a laptops built in keyboard and a USB connected one? For instance to apply different keymaps to them
[03:09] <thoreauputic> thespiritoftal: the function of sending mail to you locally is useful - it tells you when something has happened in a cron job etc
[03:10] <zeus> oops, i meanthow can I check if its using the fglrx driver right now?
[03:10] <useruser> reka: you can just download from real.com and install according to their instructions
[03:10] <thespiritoftal> cogumbreiro didn't understand why u asked that
[03:10] <cafuego> zeus: grep fglrx /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:10] <useruser> reka: i'd be surprised if someone had put it in a deb - i doubt that'd be legal
[03:10] <cafuego> zeus: You can also check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:10] <cogumbreiro> thespiritoftal, what did I ask :P
[03:10] <thespiritoftal> and another problem is my firefox works really slow... why is that? maybe I should install the newer version or smth like that
[03:11] <thespiritoftal> cogumbreiro "what?" :p
[03:11] <luzbelito> you mind this wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia?highlight=%28nvidia%29
[03:11] <luzbelito> ???
[03:11] <necrogami> Would the AMD Semperon Processors be listed under K7 Chips?
[03:11] <thespiritoftal> a tough question :p
[03:11] <cogumbreiro> thespiritoftal, have u followed the wiki tut?
[03:11] <thespiritoftal> no
[03:11] <thespiritoftal> where can i find it?
[03:11] <cafuego> necrogami: I expect so, yes.
[03:11] <reka> useruser: no, there's an rpm for rp10 on the site...but the realplayer package in the repo recommends getting rp8 when run
[03:11] <cogumbreiro> thespiritoftal, wiki.ubuntu.com
[03:11] <thespiritoftal> k I'll have a look now
[03:11] <useruser> reka: i would just install the latest version.
[03:12] <reka> useruser: ok then, cheers
[03:12] <necrogami> Where the heck is the Mplayer Package?
[03:12] <cafuego> !mplayer
[03:12] <ubotu> mplayer is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto
[03:12] <highvoltage> oh no! please let this not be true!? have they taken the "Open Terminal" shortcut out of breezy from the desktop meny!? or is it a gnome thing?! this is terrible!!!
[03:12] <luzbelito> BusID           "PCI:1:0:0" ??? my video card is agp. its ok ?
[03:12] <scapor> highvoltage: it's a gnome thoing, but you can add it with an extension
[03:12] <cogumbreiro> highvoltage, gnome thing. there's a nautiolus plugin for that
[03:12] <cafuego> highvoltage: You don't have a big fat terminal button on the panel?
[03:12] <scapor> highvoltage: or a nautilus script
[03:12] <cogumbreiro> scapor, :P
[03:12] <zeus> cafuego, nothing came back on the 1st command. it means it dosent use the fglrx
[03:13] <PrimoTurbo> Can anyone help me please?
[03:13] <PrimoTurbo> How do I remove this http://img277.imageshack.us/img277/1899/screenshot1kh.jpg
[03:13] <cafuego> zeus: indeed. When it asked you which driver to use, which one did you pick?
[03:13] <highvoltage> i always liked the "open terminal" button.
[03:13] <zeus> oh darn. I don't remember it asked me...
[03:13] <zeus> here we go again...
[03:14] <highvoltage> it's something that's always been abig plus for gnome vs kde.
[03:14] <thespiritoftal> I saw ubuntuguide.org is unofficial... can i trust the things written there?
[03:14] <highvoltage> (as a default setup)
[03:14] <reka> highvoltage: personally, i've set a k/b shortcut for it ... one button and i get a fresh terminal...nice.
[03:14] <scapor> thespiritoftal: yeah
[03:14] <PrimoTurbo> so is there anything I can do I hate that thing ^
[03:14] <scapor> highvoltage: just keep one terminal allways open and use tabs :D
[03:14] <highvoltage> reka: i think i'll have to do that from now on. it's still going to be tough getting out of the habbit though.
[03:14] <reka> thespiritoftal: er, sort of
[03:14] <highvoltage> *sigh*
[03:14] <highvoltage> now my day is ruined.
[03:14] <thespiritoftal> reka: anything wrong in that?
[03:15] <PrimoTurbo> also is it possible to edit Applications System Places menu?
[03:15] <PrimoTurbo> I have smeg but it doesn't seem to work and only shows Applications
[03:15] <reka> thespiritoftal: well, it's usually advised against in here:
[03:15] <highvoltage> at least the new gdm can choose a random gdm theme :)
[03:15] <PrimoTurbo> and even when I rename it, not changes take place to the menu
[03:15] <reka> !ubuntuguide
[03:15] <ubotu> somebody said ubuntuguide was a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[03:16] <reka> thespiritoftal: major problems are the lack of explanations (i.e. none) and the inclusion of backports in ther sources.list
[03:16] <scapor> is there a lot of work needed to upgrade to breezy ? like in "solving X probs" etc ?
[03:17] <cafuego> scapor: It's not an upgrade. it WILL break.
[03:17] <zeus> cafuego, now it worked :)
[03:17] <cafuego> scapor: Just wait.
[03:17] <nothingsometing> i have found a gui ftp server it is called pure-ftp
[03:17] <scapor> or should someone with debian/ubuntu experience be able to fix it in some hours ?
[03:17] <scapor> cafuego: I know it will break
[03:17] <nothingsometing> can someone tell me if i can use it for ubuntu
[03:17] <cafuego> scapor: Well, then don't use it.
[03:17] <zeus> i would really like the netwwork manager i read there is in breezy
[03:17] <nothingsometing> pretty please
[03:17] <scapor> cafuego: but my question was, will it be possible to glue the pieces together again ?
[03:18] <cafuego> scapor: Yes, but remember rule 1.
[03:18] <necrogami> kde pwns  but i gotta love some of the default tools not avaliable in kde
[03:18] <necrogami> i just installed synaptic
[03:18] <reka> nothingsometing: is it linux-compatible?  what format is the installer?
[03:18] <zeus> scapor, image before hand?
[03:18] <nothingsometing> it says it soupports debian
[03:18] <scapor> cafuego: I said "someone with debian/ubuntu experience" and I meant "a lot of experience"
[03:18] <cafuego> !find pure-ftp
[03:18] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'pure-ftp' (5 shown): pure-ftpd ;; pure-ftpd-common ;; pure-ftpd-ldap ;; pure-ftpd-mysql ;; pure-ftpd-postgresql.
[03:19] <cafuego> nothingsometing: just synaptic it
[03:19] <JanC> scapor : you might need some packages that aren't available in breezy anymore...
[03:19] <salapoliisi> how should i unmount cd, when cedega is using it for the install file
[03:19] <cafuego> scapor: Someone with a lot of experience wouldn't intentionally break their system.
[03:19] <zeus> anyone know of a good 2-pane filemanager
[03:19] <scapor> JanC: ok thanks.  I did such an uprgade some time ago for a friend
[03:20] <scapor> JanC: and I needed some files from my box to fix X etc
[03:20] <reka> cafuego: er, looks like pure-ftpd is a server, not a GUI client ... unless i'm mistaken
[03:20] <cafuego> reka: yes, he's after a server - or WAS anyway
[03:20] <thoreauputic> zeus: define "good" :)  there are quite a few - emelfm springs to mind
[03:20] <necrogami> anyone know a good Set of Apache modules that includes one for bandwidth?
[03:20] <reka> ah, ok then
[03:20] <scapor> cafuego: they will if someone said "it's fixable though you'll need to find it out yourself but you'll be able" and they know they will benefit from it afterwards
[03:21] <zeus> like norton commander in the good old days
[03:21] <cafuego> necrogami: maybe libapache-mod-bandwidth
[03:21] <cafuego> necrogami: why don't you search first, then ask?
[03:21] <necrogami> here's the question
[03:21] <thoreauputic> zeus: midnight commander
[03:21] <necrogami> if i install that does it do the apache config for install of the module
[03:21] <necrogami> or do i?
[03:21] <thoreauputic> zeus:  "mc" is the pacakge name
[03:21] <zeus> !find midnight
[03:21] <thoreauputic> !find mc
[03:21] <zeus> !find mc
[03:21] <thespiritoftal> I connect to internet through a network in our apartment and whenever I connect to amule it says my 4662nd is unreachable and thus I get a lowid how can i fix this?
[03:21] <zeus> :)
[03:21] <JanC> necrogami : you must enable it manually I hope
[03:22] <nothingsometing> rce code compiles and runs on Linux, OpenBSD, NetBSD, FreeBSD, Solaris, Tru64, Darwin, Irix and HPUX.
[03:22] <cafuego> scapor: If you can explain how you'll benefit from nearly all Gnome applets crashing and X needing a partial downgrade, I'll tell you.
[03:22] <necrogami> *sigh*
[03:22] <zeus> ok no easy install for me
[03:22] <necrogami> and Ruby on Rails = Hell Install ~.~
[03:22] <cafuego> necrogami: You do.
[03:22] <rob^> !info mc
[03:22] <ubotu> mc: (Midnight Commander - a powerful file manager), section universe/utils, is optional. Version: 1:4.6.0-4.6.1-pre1-3ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 1912 kB, Installed size: 5340 kB
[03:22] <necrogami> lol someone needs to make a package of Ruby on rails
[03:23] <raven3x7> !info metacity
[03:23] <ubotu> metacity: (A lightweight GTK2 based Window Manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:2.10.0-0ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 594 kB, Installed size: 8948 kB
[03:23] <zeus> ahh why dosent it say if its GUI or not?
[03:23] <JanC> necrogami : learn to make packages ?
[03:23] <cafuego> zeus: 'mc' is curses based
[03:23] <nothingsometing> Pure-FTPd FTP server with LDAP user authentication
[03:23] <necrogami> lol i have enough problems getting it installed by default .. which i havent done yet
[03:23] <thoreauputic> zeus: it isn't - it's ncurses based
[03:23] <nothingsometing> what is that
[03:23] <cafuego> zeus: ie: console; but with ascii widgets
[03:23] <nothingsometing> someone please do i need that
[03:24] <zeus> ok
[03:24] <zeus> raven3x7, metacity is GUI?
[03:24] <nothingsometing> what's that
[03:24] <cafuego> nothingsometing: Just install proftpd and log in using your Linux account
[03:24] <cafuego> zeus: metacity is a window manager, not a file manager
[03:24] <thoreauputic> nothingsometing: if you don't know, you don't need it :)
[03:24] <praseodymium> how can I install cowsay in ubuntu
[03:24] <scapor> zeus: metacity is the program that manages your windows in gnome and draws the borders around 'm
[03:24] <raven3x7> zeus metacity is the default window manager for gnome oi believe
[03:25] <necrogami> apache php mysql ruby python tomcat cocoon perl mod_bandwidth .... makes for interesting apache setup
[03:25] <zeus> oh
[03:25] <raven3x7> metacity is not really that lightweight though imo
[03:25] <nothingsometing> or.... i'll know when i need it
[03:25] <nothingsometing> right
[03:25] <zeus> i stand corrected. any good GUI file manager?
[03:26] <thoreauputic> nothingsometing:  apt-cache show pure-ftpd
[03:26] <scapor> zeus: nautilus ? rox ?
[03:26] <nothingsometing> ubuntu caomes with one right
[03:26] <scapor> :p
[03:26] <zeus> nautilus crashes alot
[03:26] <zeus> !info rox
[03:26] <reka> praseodymium: install 'cowsay' using synaptic or your favourite method of installing packages.
[03:27] <praseodymium> reka: problem is apt-get doesnt find it
[03:27] <scapor> zeus: nautilus doesn't crash for me :s and I use network-stuff etc
[03:27] <reka> praseodymium: it's in universe
[03:27] <rkinder> zeus: when does nautilus crash?
[03:27] <rkinder> zeus: do you have tracebacks?
[03:27] <reka> !tell praseodymium about repositories
[03:27] <praseodymium> reka: I'm a debian noob. how do I set this up?
[03:27] <zeus> rkinder, when i try to mark some files with the mouse
[03:27] <zeus> more then 2 files, and it crash
[03:27] <reka> praseodymium: ubotu should've pm'ed you
[03:27] <rkinder> zeus: mark in what way?
[03:28] <praseodymium> reka: yup
[03:28] <zeus> you know, choose file by dragging
[03:28] <raven3x7> zeus thats weird. its pretty stable on my box
[03:28] <praseodymium> reka: but the wiki uses gnome
[03:28] <koffa_> hello there, I just installed ubuntu, and it runs great, exept for one thing. When booting, it halts for very long time at the "Starting Ubuntu"-stage... I have no idea why..
[03:28] <thoreauputic> zeus: apt-cache show gnome-commander   ( but it's a bit old-fashioned ) :)
[03:28] <rkinder> zeus: what version of ubuntu?
[03:28] <zeus> 5.04
[03:29] <zeus> tried to find logitech drivers, but found none :|
[03:29] <rkinder> zeus: very strange... does the crash dialog come up when the problem happens?
[03:29] <reka> praseodymium: and you're not?  then replace your /etc/apt/sources.list with paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38 and then sudo apt-get update to refresh the package cache
[03:29] <zeus> rkinder, yes
[03:29] <rkinder> zeus: did you submit a bug about this?
[03:29] <praseodymium> reka: ty
[03:29] <zeus> no
[03:29] <necrogami> anyone want to make suggestions on hooking up my usb digital camera and downloading the images
[03:29] <zeus> hey, Im a windows user. crashes are not a big deal :)
[03:30] <rkinder> zeus: if such a fundamental thing is broken on your system, it would be great to get a bug submitted so the problem may be fixed for 5.10.
[03:30] <reka> necrogami: plug it in? :)
[03:30] <necrogami> did
[03:30] <necrogami> nothing happened
[03:30] <necrogami> hotplug is installed and on
[03:30] <reka> koffa_: but it gets started again?
[03:30] <praseodymium> reka: I uncommented all repositories in sources.list, that'd be OK?
[03:30] <zeus> submit in ubuntu website?
[03:31] <reka> praseodymium: yep...equivalent.  the pastebin link just got rid of all the comments. :)
[03:31] <rkinder> The crash dialog should give an option to send feedback to the developer (I think - I don't often see the dialog anymore ;)
[03:31] <praseodymium> reka: ok :)
[03:31] <zeus> ok Ill do that.
[03:31] <raven3x7> rkinder i think zeus would have to supply more details otherwise i dont think the ubuntu team ill be able to reproduce the problem
[03:32] <praseodymium> reka: I set ubuntu up as server on a friend's p130, just setting it up using ssh atm. I use gentoo myself.
[03:32] <koffa_> reka: it gets started after like, a minute or so
[03:32] <zeus> raven3x7, it happends exactly when i try to choose the 3rd file. every time.
[03:32] <necrogami> where is pastebin
[03:32] <zeus> consistant little bugger
[03:32] <rkinder> raven3x7: as long as a traceback is provided, it will give enough information to at least say 'yes we've fixed this already' or 'unique new traceback' etc.
[03:32] <reka> praseodymium: nice.   how are you finding it so far?
[03:32] <reka> necrogami: there's one in the topic
[03:33] <necrogami> ive been here long enough
[03:33] <necrogami> i cant scroll up
[03:33] <apokryphos> necrogami: /topic
[03:33] <praseodymium> reka: different from gentoo :) but it works nice and fast, setup wasn't flawless though
[03:33] <reka> !pastebin
[03:33] <ubotu> pastebin is probably at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[03:33] <zeus> oh hack, it didnt happen now.
[03:33] <zeus> maybe not that persistent after all :)
[03:34] <rkinder> zeus: typical bug, eh :)
[03:34] <necrogami> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/828 when i plug in my USB HD
[03:36] <necrogami> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/829 after plugging into my USB Camera
[03:36] <necrogami> what do i need to do just mount the drives?
[03:36] <cafuego> necrogami: It posts to the pastebin when you insert a hdd?
[03:36] <necrogami> i did dmesg and copy'd/paste
[03:36] <reka> hehe
[03:36] <zeus> I think the only thing I don't like about ubuntu is the way it handles the network. every one with a laptop that uses both wireless and wired have the hang problem on startup, as I have read.
[03:37] <praseodymium> reka: needed to set up a swap partition otherwise the installer would quit and restart itself all the time, discovered that by switching to the debug console.. not newbie-friendly at leas
[03:37] <cafuego> sudo mount -t vfat -o umask=000 /dev/sda1 /media
[03:37] <praseodymium> t
[03:37] <zeus> ca I install now the new network manager from breezy? on 5.04?
[03:37] <thespiritoftal> what kernel does ubuntu 5.04 has on default?
[03:37] <raven3x7> rkinder you are pprobably right
[03:37] <rkinder> zeus: you can do CTRL-C on bootup to prevent it from hanging waiting for DHCP etc.
[03:37] <cafuego> zeus: If I were you I'd be patient for a while longer and leave breezy alone.
[03:37] <rkinder> zeus: although you will then have to manually bring up the interface you're interested in...
[03:37] <thoreauputic> thespiritoftal: 2.6.10
[03:38] <zeus> cafuego, dont want breezy, just the network manager
[03:38] <zeus> rkinder, somehow i have to do it anyway
[03:38] <cafuego> zeus: I doubt there's a backport yet
[03:38] <thoreauputic> thespiritoftal:  uname -r to see your kernel version
[03:38] <zeus> cafuego, whatever that means 0_o
[03:39] <zeus> :)
[03:39] <cafuego> zeus: infinite pain :-)
[03:39] <zeus> haha
[03:39] <luzbelito> ok i solved nvidia problem ! can i order WINE to execute app windowed mode and specify resolution and bit deep ?
[03:39] <cafuego> CATFIGHT!
[03:39] <scapor> luzbelito: winesetuptk
[03:40] <luzbelito> scapor, but by command line for one specified app ???
[03:40] <cafuego> luzbelito: wine --help
[03:40] <luzbelito> winesetuptk also is not available for exe
[03:40] <luzbelito> why ?
[03:40] <scapor> luzbelito: man wine ?
[03:41] <cafuego> luzbelito: Because they;'ll tell you about possible command line params.
[03:41] <cafuego> luzbelito: And they HAVE the info, whereas we don't.
[03:42] <necrogami> ok
[03:42] <necrogami> now to get my wireless pcmcia card to detect/work
[03:42] <necrogami> and il be all done
[03:42] <luzbelito> root@cccp:/win-e/juegos/champ0102 # DISPLAY=800x600 wine cm0102.exe -windowed
[03:42] <luzbelito> Invoking /usr/lib/wine/wine.bin cm0102.exe -windowed ...
[03:42] <luzbelito> Wine failed with return code 5
[03:42] <reka> praseodymium: oh, it's not optional?  i've always used the auto-partitioning, so i never noticed...
[03:43] <luzbelito> scapor, thanks for your suggest. i see man and it says we must specify it
[03:43] <praseodymium> reka: what do you mean, optional? the installed messed up before the partitioner though
[03:43] <thoreauputic> luzbelito: erm - why are you running wine as root?
[03:44] <zeus> !find rox
[03:44] <praseodymium> reka: had to use a gentoo livecd to fdisk a swap partition and then use ubuntu livecd's busybox rescue shell to swapon that partition
[03:44] <rob^> !info rox
[03:45] <thoreauputic> !find rox-filer
[03:45] <ubotu> rox-filer: (A simple graphical file manager for X11), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 1:2.2.0-xfld.2 (hoary), Packaged size: 921 kB, Installed size: 2800 kB
[03:45] <reka> praseodymium: ah. i thought you meant you *had* to create a swap partition during the partitioning stage in ubunt's installer or it would quit and restart
[03:45] <zeus> yuck it gave all the proxy software in the world
[03:45] <cafuego> zeus: You after anything specific?
[03:45] <praseodymium> reka: no, without the swap partition it wouldn't even come to the partitioner, and just stay with a blank screen
[03:45] <zeus> oh thoreauputic found it :)
[03:46] <reka> praseodymium: well that's no good.
[03:46] <thespiritoftal> anyone who has played nexuiz ? is it a nice game?
[03:46] <reka> praseodymium: interesting...might be worth it to post a bug
[03:46] <apokryphos> cafuego: any chance of adding an automatic ubotu search for gnome-look/kde-look?
[03:47] <apokryphos> cafuego: maybe to deliver first 3 (or less) results with names, I guess?
[03:47] <praseodymium> reka: it was a simple fix, but I can imagine some newbie would think ubuntu/debian sucks ass and go fedora...
[03:47] <cafuego> apokryphos: Do they have debian-style Package listings?
[03:48] <apokryphos> cafuego: I know it can be done; had my brother do one for a bot in python. You can use the URL for a search though i.e. http://www.kde-look.org/content/search.php?search=Search&name={packagename}
[03:48] <thoreauputic> !theme
[03:48] <ubotu> theme is, like, http://art.gnome.org - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/
[03:48] <cafuego> apokryphos: Sure, but I need to parse the result
[03:48] <reka> praseodymium: i hate to admit i would've been stuck with that ... but i would've pestered the guys in here for answers :)
[03:48] <cafuego> apokryphos: ubotu is perl, btw. And 1) i suck at perl and 2) I hate perl ;-)
[03:49] <praseodymium> reka: :)
[03:49] <apokryphos> cafuego: heh. Not sure if it would help, but I can send you the source of the bot that does search it
[03:49] <desrt> ubotu, have a botsnack
[03:49] <ubotu> :)
[03:49] <cafuego> apokryphos: Yeah, why not.
[03:50] <cafuego> ubotu: goo'boy
[03:50] <ubotu> Aww, thanks dad.
[03:50] <praseodymium> reka: I'm going to install ubuntu on my own p120 too so if I'll strumble upon the same bug I'll report it with some details
[03:50] <cafuego> apokryphos: apokryphos@cafuego.net
[03:50] <apokryphos> cafuego: ok, will send now.
[03:50] <desrt> cafuego; what TZ are you in?
[03:50] <zeus> ok after i installed rox i want to see it in the menus. how do i restart the X server?
[03:51] <cafuego> Sat Jul 30 23:51:06 EST 2005
[03:51] <desrt> hah
[03:51] <desrt> superfreak
[03:51] <desrt> that's what i thought :P
[03:51] <cafuego> No, I am now Rick James.
[03:51] <thoreauputic> zeus: unfortunately it doesn't have a .desktop file so you have to add it youself or make a launcher
[03:51] <reka> praseodymium: what WM are you going to user?
[03:51] <desrt> what?  brave irc help channel hero by night, brainless sleep-deprived zombie by day?
[03:52] <cafuego> desrt: no, not sleep deprived
[03:52] <thoreauputic> zeus: I made a launcher on my panel in gnome for it - but I mostly live in fluxbox window manager ;)
[03:52] <reka> zeus: ctrl+alt+backspace
[03:52] <apokryphos> cafuego: the relevant part: http://pastebin.com/325419
[03:52] <praseodymium> reka: none
[03:53] <praseodymium> reka: headless box
[03:53] <cafuego> stop making me look at code! I need sleep!
[03:53] <desrt> reka; that's a touch violent :)
[03:53] <reka> praseodymium: heh.. didn't think of that. :)
[03:53] <praseodymium> reka: you'd rather not work with X on a p120, I can tell you
[03:53] <znh> praseodymium: May I interupt you
[03:54] <reka> praseodymium: good point ... had a 200 MMX as my last computer
[03:54] <reka> so's that. ;)
[03:54] <desrt> jerkface >:|
[03:54] <zeus> hmmm, the icons and text beneath them are not in sync...
[03:54] <praseodymium> znh: yes?
[03:55] <apokryphos> cafuego: ok, sure. Whenever you have time :_
[03:55] <znh> praseodymium: X on a p120 can be quite cute, it's just the window manager that can make it slow - fvwm/qvwm works awesome on that sort of machines
[03:55] <apokryphos> s/:_/:)
[03:55] <reka> desrt: interesting...i've always seen that as the recommended way ... what do you suggest?
[03:55] <cafuego> zzzzz
[03:55] <desrt> reka; to reload the menus you could just restart the panel
[03:56] <praseodymium> znh: yeah probably it would, might set up fluxbox on my friend's p130. but I don't need it myself.
[03:56] <cs378> only one application can access the sound card at once, how can i set it so multiple app can access the sound card?
[03:56] <reka> desrt: ah, but he didn't ask that. :)
[03:56] <desrt> reka; you need to learn to tell people that they don't really know what they want :)
[03:56] <reka> heh.  maybe i should've read the 1st half :)
[03:56] <rkinder> cs378: this is why 'esd' runs in the background - it multiplexes sound output from many apps to the one card.
[03:56] <znh> praseodymium: I agree, the console is always the lightest ;-)
[03:56] <praseodymium> cs378: you need to set up a software mixer like gstreamer, dmix, or arts.
[03:57] <rkinder> cs378: I assume you're running Gnome?
[03:57] <desrt> reka; my wireless network card isn't working, so i want to use a hammer to make sure that it's properly installed in the slot.  what kind of hammer should i use?
[03:57] <cs378> rkinder: yes im running gnome
[03:57] <praseodymium> desrt: a steel one, preferably
[03:57] <rkinder> desrt: 16 pound lump hammer works well on IBM laptops
[03:58] <desrt> rkinder; awesome.  thx.
[03:58] <zeus> how can i install a specific .ttf font?
[03:58] <cs378> praseodymium: so installing these app wil help the sound card have multi
[03:58] <rkinder> desrt: or dropping the laptop on the side the card is sticking out on... have done that once before (ouch!!!)
[03:58] <desrt> zeus; you can create a directory in your home folder called ".fonts"
[03:58] <rkinder> cs378: which apps in particular?
[03:58] <reka> desrt: a big one.
[03:58] <desrt> zeus; in order to be able to see it you'll need to view hidden folders, though
[03:58] <praseodymium> cs378: probably you got esd running at the moment. should be working. but I don't know about setting it up really
[03:58] <desrt> rkinder; ow
[03:58] <rkinder> cs378: most Gnome apps should work OK with esd.
[03:59] <zeus> ok, i can
[03:59] <praseodymium> bbl
[03:59] <desrt> rkinder; in all fairness, i want to snap the external antenna off of my wireless card :)
[03:59] <cs378> rkinder: like if i run real player n xmms, while real is play xmms cant
[03:59] <desrt> rkinder; and wire it to my laptop's internal antenna
[03:59] <cs378> rkinder: how do i install esd
[03:59] <praseodymium> cs378: get an xmms esd plugin
[03:59] <reka> cs378: multiple sounds:
[03:59] <rkinder> cs378: should be running by default when you log in.
[03:59] <reka> !sound
[03:59] <ubotu> hmm... sound is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[03:59] <thoreauputic> cs378: it's installed by default
[03:59] <rkinder> cs378: type 'ps -A | grep esd' to see if esd is running.
[04:00] <cs378> rkinder: got this:   8334 ?        00:00:00 esd
[04:00] <zeus> desrt, whats next? :)
[04:01] <rkinder> cs378: ok, so it's running for you.
[04:01] <cs378> .....
[04:01] <desrt> zeus; i was thinking about trying to find some kind of a clamp or something to stretch my LCD to make it bigger
[04:01] <desrt> zeus; it's always getting so cluttered with open windows
[04:01] <rkinder> cs378: you need to see if realplayer can use 'esd' as it's output.
[04:01] <desrt> zeus; could use the extra space
[04:02] <rkinder> cs378: although I doubt it understands about esd...
[04:02] <rkinder> cs378: xmms does understand about esd though.
[04:02] <liran_> i tried both nvu and august and they're both kinda louzy at their job :)
[04:02] <liran_> any suggestion for a better WYSIWYG html editor?
[04:02] <reka> rkinder: it does...set the output plugin in preferences
[04:03] <cs378> rkinder: how i do check for esd
[04:03] <cs378> rkinder: in real
[04:03] <rkinder> cs378: one sec - let me install it.
[04:04] <znh> I must say, I love piano
[04:04] <MartenH> I can't get the icons to show up properly...
[04:05] <cs378> praseodymium: how do i install the esd plugin for xmms, sry im a newbie
[04:05] <znh> cs378: everyone starts as a noob, no reason to say sorry :-)
[04:06] <necrogami> cs378: we all had to start somewhere
[04:06] <thoreauputic> cs378: in xmms , options. prefs, output plugin - set to esound
[04:06] <cs378> znh: :) just telling ppl that is like telling them to write step by step ..........................
[04:06] <azik> cs378, Options->Preferencest->Output pluging esd
[04:06] <necrogami> cs378:  we just did it before you ..  lol so we've all been there before
[04:06] <Madeye> why emacs is not in ubuntu ?
[04:06] <necrogami> madeye nano is your friend
[04:06] <rkinder> cs378: output is 'eSound Output Plugin'
[04:06] <necrogami> :-D
[04:06] <necrogami> lol
[04:06] <znh> cs378: okay no prob
[04:06] <cs378> oh thx guys
[04:06] <Madeye> necrogami,  I need to use emacs with some plugins, any idea why it's not in repos?
[04:07] <thoreauputic> Madeye: apt-cache show emacs21
[04:07] <raven3x7> anyone know if it is somehow possible to view chm books in linux?
[04:07] <azik> apt-get install emacs21
[04:07] <cs378> esd is eSound, oh i got that, i read it from the wiki
[04:07] <cs378> thx guys
[04:07] <reka> raven3x7: yup
[04:08] <Madeye> thoreauputic, what is emacs21?
[04:08] <reka> raven3x7: quick cache search returned xchm
[04:08] <azik> Madeye, 21 is the version
[04:08] <thoreauputic> Madeye: erm , it's emacs
[04:09] <Madeye> azik, thoreauputic ah okay, sorry didn't know 21 is the version thanks
[04:09] <raven3x7> reka thanks... i actually didnt think there would be somethink like that. then again chm is formatted html so why not
[04:10] <thoreauputic> Madeye: when looking for a package, apt-cache search <keyword> is always a good first move
[04:11] <Madeye> thoreauputic, it search in my machine cache, or check if the package available in repos?
[04:11] <PrimoTurbo> I need some help guys
[04:11] <PrimoTurbo> is there anyway to make the login the same refresh rate as the desktop
[04:11] <Madeye> PrimoTurbo,  ask
[04:11] <PrimoTurbo> because it's set at 60 and my dekstop is at 85
[04:12] <thoreauputic> Madeye: it searches the data you downloaded to your machine from the repos
[04:12] <azik> it search in the description files downloaded from your repos with apt-get update =)
[04:12] <Madeye> thoreauputic, good, thanks, what if I don't know the complete package name, or for example I want to search for all php packages apt-get search *php* will work ?
[04:13] <azik> wktn
[04:13] <thoreauputic> Madeye: sure -myou don't need the *
[04:13] <azik> ups, without * =)
[04:13] <azik> haha, sorry thoreauputic
[04:13] <reka> Madeye: you'd likely get a few useless returns though
[04:13] <thoreauputic> azik: Great Minds ;-)
[04:13] <Madeye> I see
[04:14] <tyrnux> 'lo
[04:14] <thoreauputic> Madeye:  apt-cache search foo | less    is one work around for that (or pipe through grep)
[04:15] <reka> still won't get rid of the useless returns though ;)
[04:15] <reka> e.g. search for 'php' returns xmms-goom
[04:16] <Madeye> xmms goom LOL
[04:16] <reka> which is returned 'cos it has a php link in it's description :)
[04:16] <reka> maybe they should change the search to full keywords instead of partial finds in full strings
[04:17] <thoreauputic> reka:  apt-cache search foo | grep -i relevant | less  << heheh
[04:17] <reka> sort of like how google does it
[04:17] <azik> :D
[04:17] <thoreauputic> :D
[04:17] <Trace> Can ubuntu liveCD/installCD do the job of rescue(i want to install my grub)
[04:17] <cs378> thx all for helping, now i gotta resstart
[04:18] <Trace> reka?
[04:18] <reka> Trace: that's actually the recommended method iirc
[04:18] <reka> Trace: nodding means yes. :)
[04:18] <Trace> reka, what do you mean? sorry, i am a newbie
[04:18] <MartenH> I download icon themes, place them in /home/username/.icons. They show up in the icon list under themes but they are either broken or doens't show any changes when I apply them. Can anyone help me out?
[04:19] <zeus> ahm... i need a printer driver. there is suse, rh and hp-ux. which is best for ubuntu
[04:19] <reka> Trace: is this after a windows install, and you need to re-install it?
[04:19] <Trace> yes.
[04:20] <reka> someone will know the wiki link ... i can't remember
[04:20] <thoreauputic> zeus: are you sure you need to use these? Most printer drivers are already there in a default install of Ubuntu
[04:21] <ZZzum> hey... somebody with keyboard (BR ABNT2) problem in breezy?!
[04:21] <zeus> thoreauputic, im sure. theres just no driver for my printer, and it is a network printer on xp
[04:21] <reka> !grubrestore
[04:21] <ubotu> [grubrestore]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[04:21] <reka> Trace: there you go
[04:22] <niels_> hi guys
[04:22] <thoreauputic> zeus: you might be able to convert the Red Hat driver using the alien command
[04:22] <thoreauputic> zeus: alien converts rpm to deb
[04:23] <thoreauputic> zeus: kernel mismatch might be an issue (not sure)
[04:24] <zeus> some hints on what options to use in alien?
[04:24] <thoreauputic> zeus: alien foo.rpm
[04:24] <thoreauputic> zeus: by defaukt makes a deb in the same directory
[04:24] <thoreauputic> IIRC
[04:25] <thoreauputic> zeus: then you can install with  sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[04:25] <zeus> ill give it a try...
[04:25] <thoreauputic> *default (oops)
[04:25] <reka> thoreauputic: you recall correctly. :)
[04:25] <thoreauputic> reka: thank you , sirrah :)
[04:26] <liran_> damn it
[04:26] <liran_> i cant find a decent html editor :p
[04:26] <MartenH> How do I get icon themes to work?
[04:26] <kemik> is there a way i can restrict my network to download at a maximumspeed? sort of traficshape my interface?
[04:26] <thoreauputic> liran: vim ;-) (j/k)
[04:26] <tabasco> Liran, have you looked at Quanta, or my favorite, nano?
[04:26] <bluefoxicy> mmm vim
[04:26] <reka> liran: had a look at freshmeat?
[04:26] <linus_> kemik: "downloader for x" migt be useful
[04:26] <thoreauputic> quanta is nice
[04:27] <MartenH> is there a better irc client than x-chat?
[04:27] <azik> MartenH, you tried with the theme manager?, drag & dropping?
[04:27] <highvoltage> MartenH: of course there is! irssi.
[04:27] <liran_> reka, there are just too many projects there to browser by. i just installed august but its totally not WYSIWYG and NVU isn't really comfortable and lack alot of options
[04:27] <tyrnux> does nano have highligting
[04:27] <thoreauputic> MartenH: matter od religious wars :)
[04:27] <reka> better is a matter of opinion
[04:27] <linus_> kemik: the package is called d4x
[04:28] <tabasco> I don't think it does, it's pretty plain.  nedit does though.
[04:28] <MartenH> azik: I downloaded and extracted to /home/username/.icons
[04:28] <reka> liran: understandable...when i had to resort to wysiwyg, i always just used mozilla's editor.
[04:28] <MartenH> highvoltage: ok I'll try it out
[04:29] <kemik> linus_:  thx
[04:29] <MartenH> thoreaputic: I guess I should have phrased it "alternative' :)
[04:29] <linus_> kemik: no prob
[04:29] <liran_> reka: its so lacking alot though. its like a regular text editor rather than HTML
[04:29] <liran_> i dont want to boot windows for creating some small html
[04:29] <tyrnux> does anyone using fluxbox or blackbox on ubuntu
[04:30] <reka> liran: i know :)  sorry, wasn't really a recommendation...just pointing out what i had used. :)
[04:30] <liran_> reka: heh yeah :)
[04:30] <thoreauputic> MartenH: be warned: irssi is a terminal client, not GUI
[04:30] <azik> MartenH, threre is a a icon theme manager in the theme manager, perhaps it could help you
[04:30] <kemik> it's such a stupid error, seems my isp has some weird config.. lets me get up to speeds like 5mb/s, and then realize im supposed to have a 10mbit connection, so they shut me down
[04:30] <juggyboo> hey how is it going - does anyone know what package is vncserver on horay
[04:30] <tabasco> ksirc is gui MartenH, I can't say that it's better, but it's there.
[04:30] <juggyboo> i can't find it on the apt-cache search vnc
[04:31] <reka> vncserver is in universe
[04:31] <thoreauputic> MartenH: gaim can do IRC too, and there's a basic IRC extension for Firefox that works quite well
[04:31] <juggyboo> Reka what do u mean
[04:32] <juggyboo> do i have to edit my apt sources list ?
[04:32] <reka> need to enable universe
[04:32] <juggyboo> and how do i that
[04:32] <m0r0n> How can I hide my ip address when surfing with firefox and replace it with a string like "you never get my address" for the logfiles of webservers? :-)
[04:32] <linus_> kemik: I've got 0.5mbit, but some time ago I sometimes got up in 500kb/s
[04:32] <juggyboo> do i just put universe in of the lines of apt sources
[04:33] <reka> juggyboo: you prefer using synaptic, or CL?
[04:33] <juggyboo> huh
[04:33] <juggyboo> i am on console
[04:33] <thoreauputic> juggyboo: you just uncomment two lines - read the file, it is pretty easy
[04:33] <juggyboo> i need to get vnc server working so i can get kdm prompt on vnc servr
[04:33] <juggyboo> thoreauputic: i just saw that line - thanks
[04:34] <MartenH> azik: it helped drag-dropping them instead if just placing them in the folder. When I simply copied them they did show up in the theme manager but didn't work as expected. they do now! Thank you!
[04:34] <azik> don't mention it ;)
[04:35] <thoreauputic> azik: but... but... he already did! *g*
[04:35] <reka> thoreauputic: what time is it there?
[04:35] <MartenH> How do I move the the next workspace using keyboard?
[04:35] <MartenH> *to the
[04:36] <reka> actually, that was a dumb question... i'm in the smae place. :)
[04:36] <thoreauputic> Sun Jul 31 00:36:04 EST 2005
[04:36] <reka> *same
[04:36] <moyogo> MartenH: Ctrl+Alt + arrow
[04:36] <MartenH> moyogo, simple enough :)
[04:36] <azik> with the mouse wheel is funny too
[04:36] <azik> X)
[04:36] <MartenH> only have a touchpad right now *sighs*
[04:37] <reka> azik: i love that feature :)
[04:37] <reka> i don't know why it's easier than a click, but it just is.
[04:38] <thoreauputic> in fluxbox mouse wheel workspace changing works anywhere on the screen ! (/me likes fluxbox)
[04:38] <azik> reka, it scare me the first time :)
[04:38] <tyrnux> thoreauputic: does fluxbox works well under ubuntu
[04:38] <tyrnux> ?
[04:39] <reka> thoreauputic: hmm, how much config does fluxbox require to get setup?  i.e. does it add itself to the sessions menu?  i heard you get an empty desktop at first.
[04:39] <thr1ce> all fluxbox's are created equal
[04:39] <reka> *i also heard you get
[04:39] <thr1ce> reka: of course you get an empty desktop
[04:39] <thoreauputic> tyrnux: I had issues with the hoary package (very slow) - I compiled my own with --disable-xmb to fix the issues
[04:40] <reka> thr1ce: i mean empty-empty....or something. :)
[04:40] <MartenH> not that I need it but is the 4 workspaces a fixed number or can it be changed? (i'm guessing it can)
[04:40] <reka> i.e. you have to set up scripts or something
[04:40] <thoreauputic> reka: good docs linked from http://fluxbox.org
[04:40] <reka> MartenH: in gnome it can
[04:40] <thr1ce> reka: you have to edit your own menus and stuff, yes
[04:40] <tyrnux> ok, thoreauputic, thx
[04:41] <MartenH> reka: ok, I'm in gnome so its good to know
[04:41] <reka> that's what i meant
[04:41] <thr1ce> reka: but, it's not bad; everything is in your ~/.fluxbox/XXX dir
[04:41] <thoreauputic> reka: you just run fluxbox_generate-menus or something like that to populate your menu as a starting point
[04:41] <tyrnux> thoreauputic : i tried multiple distros and fluxbox, but i don't find the right distro
[04:42] <reka> sounds easy then...might try it later sometime
[04:42] <thoreauputic> hmm... actually fluxbox-generate_menu
[04:42] <jouffrey> hey
[04:42] <thoreauputic> the menu is very easy to edit anyway
[04:43] <MartenH> I need an GUI ftp client with support for SSL, any suggestions?
[04:43] <raven3x7> i heard fluxbox is not very stavble in ubuntu? btw anyone using Afterstep?
[04:44] <thoreauputic> raven3x7: the default fluxbox in hoary has problems as I mentioned above: a recompiled version is rock solid here
[04:45] <[Spooky] > MartenH: i dunno if there is one, i use lftp...
[04:45] <thoreauputic> --disable-xmb is the key (in ./configure)
[04:45] <kemik> MartenH:  JFTP from www.jmethods.com
[04:46] <raven3x7> thoreuputic i see. thanx for the tip.
[04:46] <MartenH> [Spooky] , lftp is cli?
[04:46] <MartenH> kemik: ok I'll look at that
[04:46] <reka> thoreauputic: ooi, what's xmb?
[04:47] <raven3x7> i had fluxbox installed but havent tried using it yet. i guess ill apt-get  the sources and compile/reinstall then
[04:47] <thoreauputic> reka: something like " x nulti byte " I seem to recall - anyway it affects the font server
[04:48] <gbrach> anyone with openswan or strongswan implemented
[04:48] <thoreauputic> reka: I found the solution in the ubuntu-users mailing list more or less by blind luck :)
[04:48] <kemik> MartenH:  it requires java, but its the only SSL enabled ftp client i've found with a GUI
[04:48] <thoreauputic> *multi
[04:48] <phixion> mm, my bro keeps whining to me about lag, i have to cap my downloads / uploads alot lower on linux.. any reason for this?
[04:48] <phixion> on windows i could upload at 13kb/s and dload at 180kb/s
[04:48] <phixion> now i have to cap it at 7 up 100 down and he still whines
[04:49] <kemik> he's just born a whiner
[04:49] <kemik> ;)
[04:49] <phixion> ye i know but
[04:49] <phixion> any reason why hes lagging more?
[04:49] <kemik> psychological reasons, nothing more
[04:49] <phixion> well, his lag bar is red.
[04:49] <thr1ce> lag bar?  lol
[04:49] <thoreauputic> phixion: he's linux-phobic ?
[04:49] <tabasco> phixion that's unusual.  I'm using ubuntu on my router and I can pull a 4gb torrent at 150kbps while my wife plays WoW online.  Usually it's windows that can't do QoS.
[04:49] <phixion> lag bar in wow.
[04:49] <kemik> and it goes all good if you disconnect your computer?
[04:49] <thr1ce> downloading on linux is the same as windows
[04:49] <MartenH> kemik, might have to stick to windows for that then :/ darn
[04:50] <phixion> yeah kemik
[04:50] <kemik> MartenH:  nah, JFTP works, and you have the PFTP which uses ncurses
[04:50] <MartenH> PFTP ncurses??
[04:50] <CarlFK> phixion - what is the setup?  sounds like dsl/cable - router - yourbox/brobox
[04:50] <MartenH> forgive my ignorance :)
[04:51] <phixion> im running linux, we got a linksys router, and hes running windows
[04:51] <kemik> MartenH:  ncurses is the blocky - "DOS gui" thingie
[04:51] <thoreauputic> phixion: give him a highly technical reason he can't understand ;)
[04:51] <reka> hehe
[04:51] <phixion> but i cant dload or upload anywhere near as fast without him whining about lagging
[04:51] <MartenH> kemik, ah ic
[04:51] <phixion> well, hes just blamed it on Linux...
[04:51] <moparfan90_> hello
[04:52] <moparfan90_> is anyone here into game development?
[04:52] <kemik> MartenH:  well, i've been thinking of developing a FTP client just for fun, so i think i'll make a gui-ssl client now
[04:52] <azik> there is an extension for firefox called fireftp... http://fireftp.mozdev.org, but i don't know if it works with SSL...
[04:52] <kemik> (or not fun, but to learn sockets in c/c++)
[04:53] <kemik> moparfan90_:  c++ is a better channel for that stuff, but what's your question ?
[04:53] <OdiiiN> anyone knows how can i install Videolan 0.8.2 without compiling?
[04:53] <HappyFool> dosbox is very cool
[04:53] <kemik> OdiiiN:  apt-get it, www.vlc.org and add the VLC repository
[04:53] <moparfan90_> i dont have one. i am going to get a group of people togethher to make a mod of half life 2.
[04:53] <moparfan90_> any one want in
[04:53] <CarlFK> phixion - I would gather some stats - dl some file under linux, same files with win - write down time for each dl and how much bro wines
[04:53] <OdiiiN> i add it, but apt dont find the latest version
[04:53] <kemik> a mod for HL2 isnt game programming :P
[04:54] <moparfan90_> yeah. it is
[04:54] <kemik> OdiiiN:  updated too ?
[04:54] <phixion> carl, well i used windows for years before linux, and could dload and upload alot faster without him lagging out
[04:54] <moparfan90_> if you mod the whole game
[04:54] <OdiiiN> yes
[04:54] <rob^> heh
[04:54] <zeus> so i dpkg'd the printer driver. now where did it put the files?
[04:54] <phixion> CarlFK, also, when i leave my computer uploading over night, when he gets up he has to reboot the router, cos he lags out, even if he stops my upload
[04:54] <kemik> OdiiiN:  oh, silly me, i got .8.1 :)
[04:55] <CarlFK> phixion - are you sure you are really getting the files faster?
[04:55] <thoreauputic> OdiiiN: did you run apt-get update before trying to get it?
[04:55] <kemik> OdiiiN:  have to wait for it to get packaged then i guess
[04:55] <zeus> thats a general problem about dpkg. i can never know where he puts them files...
[04:55] <OdiiiN> yes, i do apt-get update
[04:55] <phixion> CarlFK, i use the "cap" feature in azureus, i used to use netlimiter
[04:55] <OdiiiN> i cant play AAC and mkv with 0.8.1
[04:55] <thoreauputic> zeus: dpkg -L <packagename>
[04:55] <phixion> CarlFK, I could download at 180kb/s and upload at around 13 without him lagging in windows, in linux... 100 down 7 up and hes STILL whining.
[04:56] <zeus> thoreauputic, much oblige
[04:56] <tabasco> Just as an experiment, take the router out off the loop and run your connection into your linux box, let it do the sharing.
[04:56] <CarlFK> phixion - weird.
[04:56] <thoreauputic> zeus: :)
[04:56] <Madeye> guys I have some xml files with ISO-8859-6 encoding, I want to convert it to UTF-8, any idea?
[04:56] <MartenH> kemik, If you finish it let me know! I'd be dying to get hold of it! And if you need assitance testing of feedback on GUI design etc let me know. Sadly I'm not very versed in C/C++
[04:56] <CarlFK> phixion - what make/model router?
[04:57] <phixion> Linksys WRT54G
[04:57] <tikka> reprogram it
[04:57] <phixion> it's a decent router
[04:57] <tikka> :D
[04:57] <phixion> firmware updated
[04:57] <paulproteus> Madeye: Use Python.
[04:57] <reka> Madeye: xmlto :)
[04:57] <rob^> heh stick linux on the router :)
[04:57] <kemik> MartenH:  sure will :)
[04:58] <zeus> weird. it says its not installed, but it did install it. there were no errors.
[04:58] <rob^> that 'll learn him for whining
[04:58] <kemik> MartenH:  but did you try JFTP ?
[04:58] <Madeye> reka,  apting it, thanks
[04:58] <Octane> can someone please tell me how to make apt-get ignore certain packages? i built 3 pks myself and when i update it always tells me to also update them
[04:58] <phixion> CarlFK, i set firefox to load web pages faster... do u think maybe that has something to do with it?
[04:58] <znh> How to define a proxy server for apt-get?
[04:59] <reka> Madeye: actually, might want to check that...not sure if it's what you want.  i just skimmed the descrip.
[04:59] <MartenH> kemik, no not yet. busy doing other things right now, just collecting the intel for later :) Tonigt perhaps
[04:59] <OdiiiN> is needed any plugin to play mkv in mplayer?
[04:59] <tikka> What performance tweaks exist for making this default ubuntu install feel reasonably nice?
[04:59] <Madeye> reka,  yeah sure, I will test it before using it
[04:59] <reka> tikka: system?
[05:00] <Madeye> any idea how to check the current file encoding ?
[05:00] <znh> bob2: any clue?
[05:00] <reka> Madeye: 'file <file>' maybe?
[05:00] <hondje> Madeye: file <filename> ?
[05:00] <hondje> :)
[05:00] <tikka> amd 3200 xp, 786mb ram, ati radeon  9550 128mb, sata 133 hdd 7200 rpm with 8mb cache.
[05:00] <tikka> ram is at 400 mhz
[05:00] <tikka> as its 32bit
[05:01] <Madeye> hondje, reka  tutorial.xml: XML document text
[05:01] <thoreauputic> Octane: if you use aptitude instead for your upgrades, you can do " aptitude hold <packagename> " then do " sudo aptitude upgrade"
[05:01] <znh> Is it possible to define a proxy server for apt-get?
[05:01] <hondje> Then I dunno
[05:01] <CarlFK> phixion - I got no clue.  the only thing I can think of is your data is flawed - like the win box is reporting max rate in the last secconds, where linux reports the avarage (just guessing)
[05:01] <tikka> reka, it feels.. sluggish.
[05:01] <Octane> thoreauputic: i know with yum you can define packages to hold, isnt there a way to do that in an apt-get conf file?
[05:01] <quicoju> hi! how do i install a single package of breezy if i'm using hoary?
[05:01] <Madeye> hondje, reka  any idea?
[05:02] <Octane> quicoju: do it manually
[05:02] <azik> quicoju, download it, and dpkg -i package
[05:02] <quicoju> can't do it with aptitude?
[05:02] <thr1ce> quicoju: no, don't do it at all
[05:02] <thr1ce> don't use gcc4 built packages on hoary
[05:02] <Octane> thr1ce: is that the issue?
[05:03] <thoreauputic> Octane: there are ways - I don't personally remember them but you can find the info in the apt-howto ( apt-get install apt-howto-en )
[05:03] <thr1ce> um...yes
[05:03] <CarlFK> phixion - the only way I can see it being as you say is if the win box az is telling the router the az packets are a lower priority, but I never saw that option
[05:03] <thr1ce> tha'ts a terrible ideas
[05:03] <Octane> thoreauputic: thanks so much
[05:03] <tabasco> phixion I'm reading about some mtu issues with linksys routers, one suggestion is to set your router mtu to 1300
[05:03] <thr1ce> gcc isn't "forward" compatabile
[05:03] <reka> tikka: gnome can be resource heavy.  i'm looking for that performance tweaks page in the help system...but are you against using an alternative WM?
[05:03] <thr1ce> you will bork your system
[05:03] <thoreauputic> Octane: the apt-howto is a great resource BTW
[05:03] <franlopez> hello, i have a problem... i can't make my serial mouse work under ubuntu. i've reconfigured ir with dpkg, rebooted, but that doesn't work. when i open the xorg.conf to change manually, i find that i have two "mouse" sections: the first is called "Configured Mouse" and it has the "default setting", and the other "Generic Mouse" has the mouse settings i changed... is that normal? should i correcto something?
[05:03] <Octane> thoreauputic:  i didnt even know it exists
[05:03] <quicoju> so i must compile the package myself instead of using a precomiled?
[05:03] <tabasco> I also know that my home router has mtu translation as a firewall rule, reducing it to 1492 since I'm using pppoe.
[05:04] <thoreauputic> Octane: it's on line as well - linked from debian.org IIRC
[05:04] <tikka> reka, I must admit I like the overal appearance of gnome.. but man something has to be done to speed it up. what have you got in mind? What does e17 treat the system like ?
[05:04] <quicoju> thr1ce:so i must compile the package myself instead of using a precomiled?
[05:05] <thr1ce> quicoju: what package specifically?
[05:05] <quicoju> thr1ce: libgdk-pixbuf-dev
[05:05] <reka> tikka: not sure what e17 is. :)  i've recommended xfce which is quite nice...there's others out there.
[05:05] <reka> tikka: but on your system...gnome shouldn't be lagging
[05:06] <tikka> enlightenment 17 or something
[05:06] <tikka> its very nice
[05:06] <thr1ce> quicoju: what is that for ?
[05:06] <guru_> wow
[05:06] <tikka> but ive not used it
[05:06] <franlopez> hello, i have a problem... i can't make my serial mouse work under ubuntu. i've reconfigured ir with dpkg, rebooted, but that doesn't work. when i open the xorg.conf to change manually, i find that i have two "mouse" sections: the first is called "Configured Mouse" and it has the "default setting", and the other "Generic Mouse" has the mouse settings i changed... is that normal? should i correcto something?
[05:06] <Mikko> Howdy!
[05:06] <thoreauputic> quicoju: that package is in main
[05:06] <quicoju> thr1ce: i xmms plugin crashes with the hoary version of thr1ce
[05:06] <thr1ce> quicoju: everything in hoary is stable
[05:07] <Mikko> I have just installed ubuntu hoary release 5.04
[05:07] <thr1ce> quicoju: change it's the plugin?
[05:07] <Mikko> this seems stable.
[05:07] <quicoju> thr1ce: i guess it's not
[05:07] <reka> tikka: System -> Help -> Desktop -> System Administration Guide -> Improving Performance
[05:07] <Mikko> But I cannot edit any advanced settings
[05:07] <tikka> reka, damn it man.. ok im gonna install  xfce now lol
[05:08] <quicoju> thr1ce: i found some reported bugs in it in the bugzilla page
[05:08] <hondje> that won't help
[05:08] <dbernar1> Mikko: your password
[05:08] <tikka> reka, gonna read thats for that info brb
[05:08] <Mikko> Linux asks for administrator password and don't accept it. It's correct.
[05:08] <reka> tikka: you know about the repos and stuff?
[05:08] <hondje> if he finds gnome too slow on that hardware, he's a ricer and won't be happy until he's using fvwm :p
[05:08] <Mikko> Do I have to install this again?
[05:09] <phixion> tabasco, how do i do that? :o
[05:09] <niels_> you guys, I have a question, I'm new to linux and ubuntu: I want to copy stuff into a folder (somewhere in the usr>lib folder) but I don't have permission
[05:09] <phixion> and can you give me url to info please? :)
[05:09] <thr1ce> Mikko: use sudo
[05:09] <thr1ce> niels_: use sudo
[05:09] <thr1ce> lol
[05:09] <dbernar1> Mikko: do you type in your password?
[05:09] <blackout> is there an easy way to convert flac audio files to ogg?
[05:09] <niels_> sudo? is that an app or a command?
[05:09] <Mikko> Please explain what does sudo mean?
[05:09] <quicoju> thr1ce: check out - http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/g/gdk-pixbuf/gdk-pixbuf_0.22.0-8/changelog
[05:09] <reka> niels_: iirc, anything outside of your home folder requires you to use sudo.
[05:09] <tikka> reka, ive added universe.. if thats what u mean
[05:09] <thoreauputic> !rootsudo
[05:09] <ubotu> it has been said that rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:09] <Mikko> dbarnarl: Yes I did, and it was correct
[05:10] <thr1ce> gives user permissions that requires root
[05:10] <reka> tikka: yeah, just checking you weren't doing it the hard way by installing manually.
[05:10] <dbernar1> Mikko: is this the user you created on install?
[05:10] <tikka> ahh thanks hehe
[05:10] <franlopez> hello, i have a problem... i can't make my serial mouse work under ubuntu. i've reconfigured ir with dpkg, rebooted, but that doesn't work. when i open the xorg.conf to change manually, i find that i have two "mouse" sections: the first is called "Configured Mouse" and it has the "default setting", and the other "Generic Mouse" has the mouse settings i changed... is that normal? should i correcto something?
[05:10] <Octane> anyone here know anythinga bout Package and Pins in apt's preferences?
[05:10] <niels_> great I'll look into that sudo stuff...tnx for the help m8!
[05:11] <godzirra> I know this is a weird question, but is there a way to format a fat32 partition in linux?
[05:11] <quicoju>  thr1ce: i'm having the g_try_realloc problem
[05:11] <tikka> tikka@smeg:~$ glxgears
[05:11] <tikka> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[05:11] <tikka> anyone know about that ;/
[05:11] <hondje> godzirra: yes
[05:11] <godzirra> how?
[05:11] <hondje> mkfs.vfat IIRC
[05:11] <hondje> it's in some vfat tools package
[05:11] <godzirra> thanks
[05:11] <hondje> no problem
[05:12] <Mikko> dbernarl: yes it is
[05:12] <reka> tikka: you installed your drivers yet?
[05:12] <reka> video card ones that is
[05:12] <tabasco> Phixion the router mtu is probably somewhere in an advanced configuration area.  You can usually get there by putting the router's IP in your web browser and logging in.
[05:12] <tikka> reka, well i did try to.. but somehow made things worse.
[05:12] <phixion> whats an mtu tabasco ? :D
[05:12] <tikka> so i reverted to an older xorg.conf
[05:12] <tabasco> Max transmission unit.
[05:12] <reka> tikka: in what way was it worse?
[05:13] <tikka> less responsive
[05:13] <tabasco> It determines how large the chunks are that you send.
[05:13] <reka> tikka: glxgears still runs though right?
[05:13] <tikka> ati radeon, i downloaded package from their site and installed that
[05:13] <tabasco> Windows usually defaults to 565 or something in that area.
[05:13] <phixion> ok thanks tabasco
[05:13] <tabasco> Higher is usually better for broadband though.
[05:13] <phixion> ill check it out
[05:13] <tikka> 791 frames in 5.0 seconds = 158.200 FPS
[05:13] <tikka> 791 frames in 5.0 seconds = 158.200 FPS
[05:13] <tikka> my mate is getting 1000fps from an onboard gfx card
[05:13] <tikka> lol
[05:14] <tikka> yea it runs just crap
[05:14] <reka> tikka: i think you have to compile a kernel module or something for the official ati drivers (check the forums).
[05:14] <quicoju> has anybody installed  xmms-coverviewer?
[05:14] <tabasco> np phixion, good luck with it.
[05:14] <reka> tikka: an easier way is this:
[05:14] <reka> !ati
[05:14] <ubotu> rumour has it, ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:14] <tikka> thank you
[05:14] <tikka> ill be back in a tick
[05:14] <tikka> :)
[05:14] <phixion> tabasco, its set at auto atm :)
[05:15] <tabasco> Will it let you change that to a manual setting?
[05:16] <Amaranth> tikka: your machine is named smeg?
[05:16] <Mikko> I tried that sudo -s command (In terminal) and I gave my password and linux says that [username]  is not in the sudeors file.
[05:16] <tikka> Amaranth, ahah yes !
[05:16] <reka> tikka: Amaranth wrote it iirc
[05:17] <quicoju> how can i contact the ubuntus's package maintainers?
[05:17] <tikka> wrote what sorry?
[05:17] <phixion> yea tabasco
[05:17] <reka> tikka: smeg
[05:17] <thoreauputic> reka: you do indeed recall correctly ;)
[05:17] <Amaranth> reka: i didn't invent that name
[05:17] <tikka> its bell end cheese
[05:17] <tikka> ;p
[05:17] <thoreauputic> tikka: Simple Menu Editor for Gnome
[05:17] <tikka> ah cool
[05:17] <tikka> i hadnt seen it
[05:18] <reka> thoreauputic: twisting it back on me, ey? :D
[05:18] <thoreauputic> reka: heheh
[05:18] <phixion> ill try it later, me and my brother arent speaking atm :D
[05:18] <graabein> heya. any guitar players here? i need some help!
[05:18] <hondje> Yes, graabein ?
[05:18] <tabasco> phixion, just change it to 1300 and see what happens.
[05:18] <graabein> hondje, http://hyperrust.org/cgi-bin/mt.pl?334 take a look at this
[05:18] <thoreauputic> graabein: heheh - /join #guitar
[05:19] <hondje> okay, what about it?
[05:19] <graabein> nah ill stick with ubuntu. the in-crowd. and im a total beginner on guitar
[05:19] <MonsieurBon> hello everyone
[05:19] <graabein> hondje, the first cord, 5-5-6-7-0 what does that mean?
[05:19] <kostkon> is anyone stable with RenderAccel using nvidia card?
[05:19] <tikka> reka, I have a question will this improve 2d at all ?
[05:19] <graabein> where to put yuour fingers?
[05:19] <reka> tikka: not sure ... but it will definitely improve 3d
[05:20] <hondje> graabein: http://guitar.about.com/library/blhowtoreadtab.htm
[05:20] <tikka> thats a good start i guess thanks
[05:20] <MonsieurBon> does somebody know how to get my GNOME Bittorrent to work? It alway shows, that some port is blocked!
[05:20] <graabein> hondje, hehe okay
[05:20] <hondje> basically, the numbers are the frets, and the top one is the high E string
[05:20] <graabein> high e is on the top or at the bottom?
[05:20] <hondje> top on the tab, bottom on your guitar
[05:20] <graabein> aw complicated! hehe
[05:21] <basti> what is the command to create a symlink?
[05:21] <hondje> the lines in tab are like holding your guitar upside down to the picture
[05:21] <hondje> basti: ln
[05:21] <graabein> so the top of the tab is my pinky?
[05:21] <hondje> ln -s source target
[05:21] <hondje> graabein: yes
[05:21] <thoreauputic> basti:  ln -s targetfile linkfile
[05:21] <MonsieurBon> basti, man ln
[05:21] <hoderaz> hello
[05:21] <basti> thank you all ^_^
[05:21] <thoreauputic> hondje: wrong way around
[05:21] <graabein> hondje, oh... i cant make my hand curl like that! hehe
[05:22] <graabein> ?
[05:22] <hoderaz> can we update the kernel with synaptis ?
[05:23] <hoderaz> *synaptic
[05:23] <hondje> graabein: sure you can...your index finger holds the bottom two strings on the fifth fret, middle holds the third on the sixth, and ring holds the fourth from bottom on the seventh fret
[05:23] <graabein> thoreauputic, as in henry thoreau?
[05:23] <kostkon> has anyone found a solution for RenderAccel, because the perfomance hit without it for me is big, is anyone stable with it turned on and what you have done
[05:23] <hondje> hoderaz: where there's an available kernel, yes
[05:23] <thoreauputic> hoderaz: yes, but only to the latest security version of 2.6.10 (unless you like the buggy 2.6.11 - not recommended)
[05:23] <graabein> hondje, oh... ill try... thx
[05:23] <hondje> kostkon: works fine for me
[05:23] <thoreauputic> graabein: indeed - think Civil Disobedience ;)
[05:23] <Mikko> Can Anyone help me? I just installed ubuntu 5.04 and this terminal says that my first user is no in sudoers file. What has happened?
[05:24] <hoderaz> i need a recent kernel because of laptop sound card
[05:24] <graabein> ive read walden. think ive got civil disobedience in my bookshelf
[05:24] <kostkon> you don't have lockups, right? what version of the nvidia driver, what card?
[05:24] <mock> thoreauputic: hondje is right ... "source" is the existing file, "taget" is wjere to create the link ;)
[05:24] <graabein> thoreauputic, im reading d.h lawrence now. he is fantastic
[05:25] <hondje> hoderaz: a nvidia 5200, and its worked for me for both the ubuntu nvidia-glx and the latest from nvidia
[05:25] <thoreauputic> mock: hmm - OK terminology problem on my part: I think of the existing file as the target for the link
[05:25] <graabein> hondje, ive never played guitar but im a music nut. 30yrs old. just borrowed a guitar from a friend
[05:25] <nox> Hi
[05:25] <hondje> thoreauputic: toe-may-toe toe-mah-toe :)
[05:25] <graabein> hondje, starting out with on the beach by neil young, hehe
[05:25] <hondje> graabein: hehe
[05:25] <tikka> reka, restart of x required brb :/
[05:26] <hoderaz> hondje > i've a laptop asus w1n, and the sound works only with a kernel > 2.6.10
[05:26] <tikka> I gotta start using BitchX in screen instead of Xchat lol
[05:26] <hondje> graabein: that's how I learned, just using tabs and having free time :)
[05:26] <hondje> hoderaz: then use the 2.6.11 kernel available in synaptic :)
[05:26] <thoreauputic> graabein: yes, DH Lawrence is great - have you read aby of his poetry? not much read but remarkable
[05:26] <graabein> hondje, i have a goal of playing sweet virginia by the stones before christmas
[05:26] <hoderaz> hondje > i don't see it
[05:26] <graabein> thoreauputic, not yet, just his novels. lots of them
[05:26] <sasquach> how can i install divx plugin ?
[05:26] <hoderaz> must i add address to /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[05:27] <graabein> hondje, i broke up with my girlfriend so i have lots of free time now! and work prevents me from getting drunk each night!
[05:28] <hondje> graabein: hehe, what a coincidence :)
[05:28] <reka> sasquach: what movie player do you wish to use?
[05:28] <sasquach> totem
[05:28] <hondje> hoderaz: yes, you have to add 'universe'
[05:28] <graabein> hondje, yeah, its been a while now. got past it and starting enjoying life as a single man
[05:28] <graabein> kid? how old?
[05:28] <hoderaz> what's address hondje ?
[05:28] <hondje> she's 2.5 years old
[05:28] <kostkon> hondje: ok you have a new card, the lockups happen on older cards, geforce 2 mx, 4mx, etc., anyone else any solution, any experience?
[05:29] <hondje> !tell hoderaz about repositories
[05:29] <graabein> hondje, nice! walking and talking?
[05:29] <hondje> kostkon: I haven't had a problem with my old MX400, either
[05:29] <hondje> graabein: and being evil :) She's a lot of fun
[05:29] <nox> Aeh, is Apache preinstalled with Ubuntu, inclusive a mySql Server and php4+?
[05:29] <graabein> hondje, i bet!
[05:29] <hondje> kostkon: what does the nvidia readme say about your card?
[05:29] <hoderaz> thanks hondje. noce bot ;)
[05:29] <hoderaz> thanks hondje. nice bot ;)
[05:29] <sasquach> reka, totem
[05:29] <hondje> :) You're welcome hoderaz
[05:29] <mock> thoreauputic: Yes, that's what most people have in mind ... but "following" the way of the link is not realy appropriate for hardlinks ;)
[05:30] <hoderaz> thanks from France ;)
[05:30] <djp> is it possible to prevent the import photos message when you plug in a usb digital camera under hoary?
[05:30] <reka> sasquach: install totem-xine.   then you can either get w32codecs from the backports repo, or follow this:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingCodecsToTotemHowTo
[05:30] <kostkon> hondje: i don't know, I just know that i have the same problem as many have, lockups when I turned RenderAccel on.
[05:30] <nox> :(
[05:30] <thoreauputic> mock: I have to remind myself each time anyway :)
[05:30] <hondje> kostkon: Have you tried their latest drivers? Assuming they support your card
[05:31] <hondje> djp: yes, system -> preferences -> removable media
[05:31] <hondje> then go to multimedia tab and unclick the 'import digital photographs' box
[05:32] <djp> hondje: thanks! been looking everywhere for info on doing that... ;)
[05:32] <hondje> :)
[05:33] <kostkon> hondje: no I haven't but I'm thinking of doing that. From the ubuntu forums I know that many people have the problem using even the latest drivers, but you never know for my specific pc configuration the drivers may do work!
[05:33] <marcus_> hey any1 can help me install mplayer?
[05:34] <mock> thoreauputic: I don't have to ;) ... <source> <target> is so common for most file-commands (cp, mv, ... ), the first is the one that is already existing, i.e. the source ;)
[05:34] <thoreauputic> !mplayer
[05:34] <ubotu> mplayer is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto
[05:34] <hondje> kostkon: I haven't had a problem, but your milage may vary :)
[05:34] <thoreauputic> mock: ah OK I see what you mean
[05:34] <kostkon> hondje: yeah, you're right
[05:34] <graabein> thoreauputic, what other authers do you like? what do you read at the moment?
[05:34] <uruguaian> hello... i need some help
[05:35] <thoreauputic> graabein: at the moment I read unix manuals ;) I like Chaucer (my degree was an English major)
[05:35] <uruguaian> i'm searching for the GTK+ develop packages..  libgtk2.0-dev
[05:35] <bobbyd> has anyone here set up courier-imap under ubuntu? I can't get it to allow me to log in with my linux username and pass
[05:35] <graabein> chaucer? never heard of him. ill try wikipedia
[05:35] <kostkon> hondje: that's why I was asking here for experiences regarding this matter, to decide what in general could be the best solution
[05:36] <thoreauputic> graabein: Middle English poet - 14th century
[05:36] <CarlFK> in the US, the last line of an address is city,state,zip - can I get some examples of how other countries do it?
[05:36] <Mikko> Can Anyone help me? I just installed ubuntu 5.04 and this terminal says that my first user is no in sudoers file. What has happened?
[05:36] <uruguaian> i'm searching for the GTK+ develop packages..  libgtk2.0-dev
[05:37] <reka> and?
[05:37] <uruguaian> and i don't know where can find it.
[05:37] <graabein> thoreauputic, oh that old? my major was computer science. i should probably have taken literature instead
[05:37] <mock> thoreauputic: ... it might helps you to think about the second file as "destination" and not target, then it is pretty obvious and very easy to do it without thinking about it
[05:37] <reka> it's in main
[05:37] <graabein> thoreauputic, but one can always read... beats watching telly!
[05:38] <reka> uruguaian: it's in main.  what happens when you try and install it?
[05:38] <kostkon> CarlFK: maybe Wikipedia (again) can help you with that
[05:38] <graabein> thoreauputic, what works do you recommend by chaucer? ill look him up next time i visit the library
[05:38] <thoreauputic> mock: thanks - I usually end up getting it right ;)
[05:38] <mock> thoreauputic: ... "destination of the operation" not the link of course ;)
[05:39] <deprave> good morning vietnam!
[05:39] <uruguaian> mm.. in main? repository?
[05:39] <CarlFK> kostkon - thanks i ll take a look
[05:39] <thoreauputic> graabein: the famous one is the Canterbury Tales - but IMO the greatest is Troilus and Criseyde
[05:39] <reka> uruguaian: yes
[05:40] <thoreauputic> graabein: they are easily available in modern english, but you miss the beauty of the poetry
[05:40] <brad-> There any package repos around containing the Luxi font family?
[05:41] <graabein> thoreauputic, cool. i made a note. i havent read much poetry. mostly novels.
[05:41] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: I wouldn't really describe Chaucer's poetry as "beautiful", though I haven't dived into Troilus and Criseyde
[05:41] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: it's too bawdy for beauty :P
[05:41] <CarlFK> kostkon - The Japanese are briliant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_addressing_system
[05:41] <graabein> bawdy? what does that mean? (im norwegian)
[05:42] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: heh - not all of Chaucer is bawdy - that's a very common misconception
[05:42] <apokryphos> graabein: vulgar, but not exactly that
[05:42] <kostkon> CarlFK: perfect!! In europe we dont have states of course, we have prefectures
[05:42] <kostkon> CarlFK: just to know
[05:42] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: Sure, I agree. The Merchant's Tale is fresh in mind, though =)
[05:42] <uruguaian> reka: okey, but i can find it.. i get libgtk2.0-bin, libgtk2.0-common, but no the libgtk2.0-dev
[05:42] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: for example, The Book of the Duchess
[05:43] <reka> brad-: apt-cache search luxi
[05:43] <thoreauputic> is written as a consolation
[05:43] <reka> !info libgtk2.0-dev
[05:43] <ubotu> libgtk2.0-dev: (Development files for the GTK+ library), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 2.6.4-0ubuntu3 (hoary), Packaged size: 6970 kB, Installed size: 35104 kB
[05:43] <brad-> reka: Returns nothing - I'm looking for a possible third party source without having to pull them out of the X sources manually (I love those fonts)
[05:43] <graabein> i see. i like lots of things... from celine and buk to the russians and other things
[05:44] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: I'm more familiar with the marriage-group of tales, probably mainly that area; even the composed pieces don't really express any "beauty" though, in the poetry. Franklin's Tale, for example. It's more a case of "characters display gentilesse", and that's that.
[05:44] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: Troilus and Criseyde is full of beautiful lines
[05:44] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: cool :)
[05:44] <kostkon> CarlFK: instead of zip europe has postal code
[05:44] <uruguaian> reka: i need to add some other repository?
[05:44] <reka> brad-: if you're comfortable with doing it manually, go for it ... but i show 3 results .  you probably need to enable universe and/or multiverse
[05:44] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: TBH, though, I don't like Chaucer much (of what I've read only, of course). He's interesting, but irony is dragged on and flogged to the land of no return far too much for me
[05:45] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: the Franklin's Tale also contains much that is poetically beautiful (I'm not referring to content)
[05:45] <brad-> reka: ooh, right, thanks.
[05:45] <graabein> last time i borrowed hemingway's short stories, the plumed serpent by dh lawrence and poetry by keats and ts eliot
[05:45] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: remember that he wrote for the mediaeval mind and time, not ours
[05:45] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: of course :)
[05:46] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: still, it's funny to note the transformation of language with the birth of the dictionary and other such things.
[05:46] <nasdaq7> all the planets revolve around the earth - aristotle
[05:46] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: thus for example the extended "exemplum" is a rhetorical device much admired by the literate of the period
[05:46] <apokryphos> nasdaq7: he hasn't been disproved
[05:47] <graabein> i read a book by a spaniard, i think it was called bartleby & co, and somewhere there he says that there are no good authers since musil and beckett
[05:47] <graabein> i dont know what you guys think?
[05:48] <reka> uruguaian: post your sources.list to the pastebin in the topic
[05:48] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: an interesting thing to notice about Chaucer's language is how close middle english was to french in many ways (conceptually and lexicographically)
[05:48] <deprave> in addition i like pepsi
[05:48] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: mind if I /msg you, actually, since we're off-topic? :)
[05:48] <nasdaq7> i think in 100 years we will be able to travel to mars or the moon
[05:49] <deprave> and uranus
[05:49] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: you may if you wish, but it's nearly 2 am here so I'm anout to disappear :)
[05:49] <thoreauputic> *bout
[05:49] <graabein> well nasa got the space shuttle off...
[05:49] <kostkon> uranus means "the sky"
[05:49] <graabein> but i heard there were some problems so its gonna be a while till next time
[05:49] <graabein> i bet mars and uranus is nice though
[05:50] <dieguito> hi everyone,,,,can anyone help me ,,,I have a DWL 650 and ubuntu doesn;'t detect it
[05:50] <deprave> hehehe
[05:51] <deprave> !
[05:51] <ubotu> deprave: I don't know, could you explain it?
[05:51] <graabein> deprave, have you tried google earth? nice program! its windows though...
[05:51] <nasdaq7> i think science is advancing too fast. people in most of the world can't keep up
[05:51] <CarlFK> isn't google earth java?
[05:52] <graabein> nasdaq7, it has to be that way. we cant think of the whole globe simultanously. march on!
[05:52] <graabein> CarlFK, i dont know actually
[05:52] <uruguaian> need to add a repository, like universe or something...? libgtk2.0-dev
[05:52] <dieguito> hi everyone,,,,can anyone help me ,,,I have a DWL 650 and ubuntu doesn;'t detect it
[05:52] <deprave> i spent an hour downloading one mp3 via ftp last night, i listened to it, it's full of distortion and chopped up. now i moved the file to ~/public_html to download it via web and it's downloading 3x faster and hopefuly not be so choppy
[05:52] <ChristophorusX> Hi
[05:52] <nasdaq7> but i mean: 40 years ago, if you had no college or university you could get a job
[05:52] <apokryphos> CarlFK: javascript and python mainly,
[05:53] <nasdaq7> thesedays you need to have some education
[05:53] <graabein> what is a dwl 650?
[05:53] <deprave> edu-macation
[05:53] <nasdaq7> the syllabus of the subjects keep changing - it is becoming very competitive throughout the world
[05:53] <reka> uruguaian: shouldn't have to...it's in main
[05:53] <graabein> well i dont know about that nasdaq. are you american?
[05:53] <reka> uruguaian: post your sources.list to the pastebin in the topic
[05:53] <linukso> dieguito: check out the wiki at wiki.ubuntu.com
[05:53] <majic> nasdaq7, it's a crock of shit. Today society places way too much emphasis on college when there are alot of jobs including alot of tech jobs that don't need a shit ass CS degree.
[05:53] <CarlFK> apokryphos - so shouldn't google earth run on Linux?
[05:54] <nasdaq7> yes
[05:54] <nasdaq7> that is what i mean
[05:54] <apokryphos> CarlFK: not necessarily. It's the way they code it
[05:54] <apokryphos> and the program is an .exe isn't it?
[05:54] <paulproteus> CarlFK: There's Google Maps, which is JavaScript, and Google Earth, which is a Windows program.
[05:54] <paulproteus> My guess is it'll run fine in WINE.
[05:54] <deprave> majic: i agree whole heartedly.
[05:54] <bobbyd> paulproteus, google earth doesn't run under wine yet
[05:54] <graabein> majic, i agree. i have a friend who is a master of computers and networking. he should hold a top security job but instead he is a night guard
[05:54] <deprave> i had the same conversation with a cs major dufu the other day
[05:55] <nasdaq7> i mean a guy that has completed 85% of his degree isn't in the same league as a guy that has completed 100% of his degree
[05:55] <paulproteus> bobbyd: Oh, that's surprising.
[05:55] <majic> I have a friend with a CS degree but absolutely no experience and he cannot get a tech job
[05:55] <LokeDK> how do I remove a package with debfoster?
[05:55] <majic> he's a laborer for a welding company, it's all bullshit
[05:55] <graabein> majic, yeah but what can you do. its all a struggle anyhow
[05:55] <deprave> she didn't believe me that i beat 5 applicants at a job offer just on my experience in educational infrastructure when i went into the interview at 18 wearing a pair of shorts and a t-shirt
[05:55] <dieguito> thanks linukso,,,,,,,, but i di it
[05:56] <majic> it's all about who you know, not what you know
[05:56] <Chadza> Have you heard about the decline in cs grads though?
[05:56] <paulproteus> That's true to a large extent, but not entirely.  Start-ups are good for "what you know" rather than "who you know".
[05:56] <nasdaq7> what is bad: is people. We cannot stand to see someone else succeed. how many of you guys have been screwed or held back by someone?
[05:56] <paulproteus> nasdaq7: Everyone, I would think, right?
[05:56] <nasdaq7> held down
[05:56] <majic> yep
[05:56] <nasdaq7> :)
[05:57] <nasdaq7> people - i would have succeeded a long time ago
[05:57] <paulproteus> How many of us have acted in ways that, though we don't realize it, made someone else feel screwed or held down?
[05:57] <graabein> i dont like people as a mass, but each on is allright i guess
[05:57] <Determinist> what do you guys use to play divx and similar formats? totem feels like it's playing things wrong, should it try xine?
[05:57] <paulproteus> !restrictedformats
[05:57] <ubotu> [restrictedformats]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[05:57] <deprave> i think a lot of these college kids go into school expecting to come out with a nifty cs degree ready to go to work, yet half of them can't get even basic level 1 jobs because 1. they didn't learn any of the stuff they were putting into action in school, 2. they didn't do an internship in school, 3. see #1
[05:57] <nasdaq7> now i have 0 friends and 0 business partners = poorer but a lot wiser
[05:57] <paulproteus> Determinist: Go to that Wiki URL.
[05:57] <brad-> Determinist: I use totem-xine usually yes
[05:57] <bobbyd> Determinist, mplayer
[05:57] <brad-> Determinist: Check out the restrictedformats link above
[05:58] <Chadza> deprave, You're right on with that, I was lucky enough to get a tech job when I was 14 (lived next door to the company president) and have been thriving of it ever since.
[05:58] <nasdaq7> have you guys noticed at college and university how much is actually just memorising stuff: 75% of the work in the exam is just long questions you had to memorize from the textbook.
[05:58] <graabein> i got lucky with my job. had a year instead of military service and my employer wanted my to continue with what i was working on... so ive been there for five years now
[05:59] <paulproteus> nasdaq7: Not with my professers here....
[05:59] <deprave> indeed, my current best friend hired me at my high school when i was a junior, best foot in the door i've ever had
[05:59] <graabein> nasdaq7, yeah, i knew all of it the night before the exams and it was forgotten the next week! pretty much!
[05:59] <paulproteus> I think the moral of the story is, "A lot of everything sucks."
[05:59] <paulproteus> But we all knew that, right? :)
[05:59] <Tauop> re
[05:59] <njs12345> is there anyone here good with ALSA and soundcards?
[05:59] <Tauop> bon alors je suis sous KDE la
[05:59] <deprave> none of these kids understand that their degrees are just pieces of paper saying "i can learn for a few years on my own, but that doesn't mean i learned anything"
[05:59] <Tauop> est ce qu'on peut me rappler ou est ce qu'il faut aller pour slectionner la carte son svp
[06:00] <Tauop> ?
[06:00] <njs12345> Tauop: /join #ubuntu-fr
[06:00] <paulproteus> Tauop: Peut-etre tu prefererais aller a #ubuntu-fr
[06:00] <basti> hmm. which program should I uso to view .info files? nano shows it weird and gedit cannot open it?
[06:00] <paulproteus> njs12345: I'm okay with them.  FIre away.
[06:00] <nasdaq7> how much is remembered - let them write exams 3 years later - probably 3% is retained - but a skill - like programming, that lasts forever ...
[06:00] <thr1ce> ok...just to be sure
[06:00] <Tauop> arf
[06:00] <Tauop> sorry all
[06:00] <paulproteus> Tauop: Pas de probleme.
[06:00] <thr1ce> backports are NOT going to screw up my install when I try upgrading to breezy ?
[06:00] <Octane> i need to upgrade a certain package to a newer version but many other packages depend on it. how can i go about doing that
[06:00] <Tauop> I will ask my question in english so :)
[06:00] <Chadza> That's what my professors say, that all a degree will show is that I can learn, not that I know it.
[06:00] <njs12345> Tauop: np ;)
[06:00] <Octane> how can i remove that package so that i can install this new version
[06:00] <Mez> how cna i check what's stopping me unmounting a partition
[06:00] <Tauop> where do I have to go to choose my sound card in KDE ?
[06:00] <Mez> and thr1ce no it isnt
[06:00] <njs12345> paulproteus: it's quite a difficult problem
[06:00] <shinu> why does ubuntu not display the state of my laptop battery properly?
[06:00] <bobbyd> Tauop, did you just install?
[06:00] <graabein> good thing we have beer!
[06:00] <thr1ce> Mez, certain?  this is only a forum post that says they are official
[06:00] <nasdaq7> a quiz: what is the highest paying job where you just have to memorize stuff?
[06:00] <shinu> it should be at full charge but it shows 0%
[06:00] <deprave> nasdaq7: perhaps, i don't code tho so i won't know about that. and keep in mind, not all CS degress concentrate on code.
[06:00] <paulproteus> njs12345: !asktoask
[06:01] <basti> !info
[06:01] <Tauop> In fact, I have no sound whereas all seems to be OK... modules / xmms don't say anything etc...
[06:01] <CarlFK> shinu - mine does.  what make/model laptop?
[06:01] <Tauop> bobbyd, no
[06:01] <Mez> thr1ce, yes I'm certain
[06:01] <thr1ce> mmk
[06:01] <thr1ce> :)
[06:01] <Tauop> I have install my kubunto 3 months ago
[06:01] <Tauop> and I compile a new kernel
[06:01] <thr1ce> thanks Mez
[06:01] <bobbyd> Tauop, because sound is disabled when you firat install
[06:01] <graabein> deprave, lots of it is knowing how to solve problems. patterns and understanding.
[06:01] <njs12345> I have an integrated VIA soundcard using the snd_via82xx chipset
[06:01] <shinu> CarlFK, i have a toshiba l10 192 if it says anything
[06:01] <njs12345> or driver even
[06:01] <njs12345> and it repeats sounds
[06:01] <Tauop> bobbyd, I haven't any problem with sound during my first install
[06:01] <nasdaq7> answer: actors - Tom Cruise demands a salary of at least $40m a movie
[06:02] <graabein> yeah... the same for athletes
[06:02] <njs12345> it's quite hard to describe the problem
[06:02] <njs12345> but for instance, with the ubuntu login jingle
[06:02] <njs12345> it plays a little bit of it
[06:02] <graabein> celebrities should be lead behind the barn and be shot hehe
[06:02] <njs12345> then plays the bit again
[06:02] <njs12345> and so on
[06:02] <bobbyd> Tauop, sounds like maybe you missed the module for your sound card when you recompiled the kernel
[06:02] <malvoj> hi, I would need rewrite some information in /etc directory, but I set only one account duering installation and I have not enought  permission to use chmod for a file how can I get root login?
[06:02] <deprave> graabein: well, when people speak of CS degress they associate it with learning object oriented code etc, not a lot of people realise there are degrees that are specific with administration etc
[06:03] <shinu> anyone has a toshiba laptop? 8)
[06:03] <Tauop> bobbyd, I don't think so....
[06:03] <njs12345> malvoj: use "sudo"
[06:03] <bobbyd> malvoj, sudo
[06:03] <Tauop> I will recompile to know :)
[06:03] <njs12345> sudo nano /etc/configuration-file
[06:03] <njs12345> and enter your password
[06:03] <bobbyd> Tauop, speaker's/headphones are definitly working?
[06:03] <paulproteus> deprave: Or that deal with theory, or security in practice, or [...] .
[06:03] <Tauop> bobbyd, yes
[06:03] <uruguaian> reka: i been find ir know...i add a main repository, from the sinapthic and now ibgtk2.0-dev appear..
[06:03] <uruguaian> reka: thanks
[06:03] <deprave> some kid refused to believe 10 years experience would beat out a BS in CS
[06:04] <deprave> paulproteus : indeed, see ETC
[06:04] <Tauop> bobbyd, it is on my laptop and all works with the initial installation (initial kernel) and under windows to
[06:04] <Tauop> too*
[06:04] <graabein> allright, nice talk guys. im logging off
[06:04] <paulproteus> Good night, graabein.
[06:04] <malvoj> njs12345: bobbyd THX much it has beendone ;))
[06:04] <deprave> take care.
[06:05] <graabein> its 6 in the afternoon here. i think ill have some drinks with a friend later. he just got back from vacation
[06:05] <bobbyd> Tauop, there's nothing in the syslog?
[06:05] <uruguaian> adios a todos y gracias. =)
[06:05] <johnf> jorgp3: around?
[06:05] <graabein> so, have a nice evening or whatever
[06:05] <Tauop> bobbyd, dmesg doesn't give me any errors
[06:06] <shinu> bye#
[06:06] <njs12345> anyone have any answer for my sound card problem?
[06:07] <Raptoid> beyler su gnome panelinin uzunlugunu nerden ayarliyoduk
[06:07] <reka> njs12345: i've heard of it.  check the forums
[06:08] <njs12345> reka: can you suggest a search string? I've tried all the stuff like "via sound distortion" and stuff
[06:09] <paulproteus> njs12345: Have you dropped the volume to 50% on all mixer devices via alsamixer?  Does that decrease the distortion?
[06:09] <reka> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1869&highlight=sound+loop
[06:09] <reka> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31966&highlight=sound+loop
[06:10] <reka> those are for the looping/repeating sounds
[06:10] <ZZzum> hey... somebody with keyboard (BR ABNT2) problem in breezy?!
[06:13] <karim> hello
[06:13] <cooker> i'm on windows xp and i have a dvd from jamaica that i want to preserv since it's impossible to find here in canada, i checked inside the dvd and i see a couple of .vob format files... now my question... how can save just the video on my comp in xvid/divx quality
[06:13] <cs378> do you guys get crappy sound in gnome?
[06:13] <cs378> cuz i do
[06:13] <cs378> i hate it
[06:14] <cs378> cooker: u need a video convertor
[06:14] <njs12345> cs378: crappy as in very low quality?
[06:14] <cooker> not too low
[06:15] <cs378> njs1234: yes, a lot of noise
[06:15] <cooker> i want the file size to be around 700 mb
[06:15] <njs12345> try running "alsamixer" in the console
[06:15] <njs12345> and turning down the PCM volume
[06:15] <njs12345> and turning up the Master volume
[06:15] <njs12345> I've had success with that
[06:15] <paulproteus> cooker: Search universe for dvd rip
[06:15] <majic> cooker, look for a prog called dvdshrink
[06:15] <karim> hi
[06:15] <root_> When I try to chroot, I get the message "cannot run command `/bin/bash': no such file or directory" ?
[06:15] <paulproteus> There's a program dvd::rip that's in Universe that many people for this.
[06:16] <cooker> i'm on windows os
[06:16] <majic> cooker, DVDshrink
[06:16] <cooker> i have anex ubuntu machine
[06:16] <djp> cs378: excellent sound here. although i use multimedia system selector to change from esd to alsa
[06:16] <jasoncohen> paulproteus, it's in multiverse
[06:16] <njs12345> paulproteus: to answer your question, no, it doesn't help
[06:16] <karim> if I use DHCP and an ip that change, how can the hostname in /etc/hosts can match the right ip ?
[06:16] <jasoncohen> paulproteus, and it requries transcode from hoary-extras to work
[06:16] <majic> cooker, that program is bad ass!
[06:16] <njs12345> I have my "headphone" channel at 42, and my PCM channel at 23, and all others are muted
[06:17] <djp> cs378: esd seems to give me poor quality audio
[06:17] <Jarmo> hi
[06:17] <root_> Why can't linux find /bin/bash? I see it in the folder!
[06:17] <root_> When I try to chroot, I get the message "cannot run command `/bin/bash': no such file or directory" ?
[06:17] <cs378> njs12345: still have little bit of noise, ahhh i cant take it anymore
[06:17] <HappyFool> root_: doesn't it have to exist in the chroot'ed environment?
[06:17] <HappyFool> root_: i.e., create a bin there, and copy (or hardlink, maybe) bash there
[06:17] <paulproteus> root_: It needs to exist relative to the chroot.
[06:17] <cs378> djp: i used to use asd, but it don give me multisound, like using both applicqation with sound
[06:17] <paulproteus> hardlink is the way to go.
[06:17] <root_> Thanks!!
[06:18] <HappyFool> i think the wiki *might* have info about making a chroot
[06:21] <cs378> njs12345: Ok, thx, i could live with low volume sound, but u know how to make it so i can have sound on each application i run, not just on one
[06:22] <koffa_> hm, how come, when I try to install mplayer-k6, apt just says that it can't find the package?
[06:22] <jasoncohen> cs378, what programs are you running that you only have sound in one?
[06:22] <cs378> i know i have said this here b4, but it didnt help
[06:23] <jasoncohen> hoary provides multiplexing by default for me. You might have to follow this howto -joined #ubuntu
[06:23] <cs378> jasoncohen: when i run xmms, i cant run real player
[06:23] <jasoncohen> cs378, what output engine are you using for xmms?
[06:23] <apokryphos> cs378: you also might wanna consider ditching xmms, which is pretty erm... :|
[06:23] <cs378> jasoncohen: the asd has the wikiHowto told me to
[06:23] <jasoncohen> beep-media-player worked fine with esound. does xmms have an esd/esound plugin?
[06:24] <cs378> jasoncohen: yes
[06:24] <cs378> beep-media-player? how do i install that
[06:24] <hopeng> i shares internet conenction with ubuntu server. how to quota the client's internet bandwith?
[06:24] <jasoncohen> try with beep-media-player
[06:24] <jasoncohen> cs378, sudo apt-get install beep-media-player
[06:24] <apokryphos> cs378: beep, or even better -- amaroK
[06:24] <jasoncohen> cs378, it's basically a better looking version of xmms- winamp look
[06:25] <cs378> apokryphos, ha okay ill install that too hehe
[06:25] <jasoncohen> cs378, "sudo apt-get install bmp-skins" if you want more skins
[06:25] <jasoncohen> !multimedia
[06:25] <ubotu> it has been said that multimedia is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[06:25] <cs378> jasoncohen: instillin now
[06:25] <jasoncohen> cs378, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[06:25] <apokryphos> cs378: Good idea. It's in MAIN, so you can apt-get.. though the current beta version has some super cool new features too -- good stuff planned.
[06:26] <jasoncohen> cs378, i have  descriptions/screenshots for each video/audio app
[06:26] <reka> jasoncohen: what repo is bmp-skins in?
[06:26] <apokryphos> !info bmp-skins
[06:26] <jasoncohen> reka, you're right- it's in backports, sorry
[06:26] <reka> backports is official now though...i guess that means it's "safe"?
[06:27] <basti> which was the alien command to convert .rpm to .deb?
[06:27] <cs378> jasoncohen: oh wow, thx
[06:27] <crimsun> not by a long shot, reka.
[06:27] <basti> !alien
[06:27] <jasoncohen> apokryphos, amarok is very nice- and 1.3 is very nice inded (i've compiled a deb package from subversion) but it's a big performance hog
[06:27] <ubotu> I guess alien is a program to convert RPMs to DEBs. Can give problems. Website: http://www.kitenet.net/programs/alien/
[06:27] <reka> basti: alien <rpmfile>
[06:27] <crimsun> there are still lots of issues.
[06:27] <Mez> it depends on which backjpirts you're usin
[06:27] <basti> reka, no flag?
[06:27] <jasoncohen> Mez is right
[06:27] <jasoncohen> the "official" backports server is safer
[06:27] <apokryphos> jasoncohen: you got beta2? Yeah, there was a few issues with that; apparently down to the display things (gah, always forget their proper name). Fixed in svn.
[06:27] <reka> crimsun: then what was the transition b/n non-official and official?
[06:27] <Mez> :D
[06:28] <jasoncohen> less stuff, no librarary backports
[06:28] <crimsun> reka: eh?
[06:28] <jasoncohen> library
[06:28] <Mez> jasoncohen, some lib backports :D but nothing... major
[06:28] <Belutz> !raid
[06:28] <ubotu> Belutz: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[06:28] <crimsun> reka: my response regarded "safe"
[06:28] <apokryphos> Mez: does ubotu still not search backports too? :|
[06:28] <reka> basti: alien -d <rpmfile> if you want.  the -d is default though, so you can skip it.  more info: man alien
[06:28] <jasoncohen> Mez, oh yeah, sorry. did you get a chance to backport libgnome-menus and gnome-menus 2.10.2 for smeg?
[06:28] <basti> ok thank you reka
[06:29] <Mez> jasoncohen, need to get everything else on the backports sorted first
[06:29] <Belutz> can anyone point me some url that contains how to install ubuntu on raid hdd ??
[06:29] <reka> crimsun: oh, ok.  i though it turning official  meant it's now safe to use (i avoid it).  but maybe i'm jsut confused. :)
[06:29] <jasoncohen> apokryphos, when was it fixed? i was getting near 25% cpu usage
[06:30] <moparfan90_> is there a program or emulator for windows media player?
[06:30] <apokryphos> jasoncohen: in svn -- couple weeks after beta2, perhaps
[06:30] <jasoncohen> reka, backports can now use ubuntu servers as well as their automated build system which should prevent a lot of issues
[06:30] <cs378> hmm, i just did apt-get beep-media-player, n it doesnt even run, do i need to restart?
[06:30] <reka> oh, i see, thanks.
[06:30] <cs378> apt-get install bepp....**
[06:30] <jasoncohen> cs378, sudo apt-get beep-media-player
[06:31] <crimsun> +install
[06:31] <cs378> jasoncohen: yeah its installed
[06:31] <cs378> jasoncohen: but it don run hmmm
[06:31] <jasoncohen> cs378, is it sound&video
[06:31] <cs378> jasoncohen: yea, thats where i clikcked
[06:31] <Belutz> !install
[06:31] <ubotu> Belutz: Bugger all, i dunno
[06:31] <jasoncohen> type beep-media-player in a terminal
[06:32] <Belutz> !raid-hdd
[06:32] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, Belutz
[06:32] <Belutz> hmmm
[06:32] <cs378> jasoncohen: oh i got it, bcuz xmms was usin the sound card, beep... couldnt open just like realplayer, omg i soo need multiplex
[06:33] <Tomcat_> moparfan90_: What do you need WMP for?
[06:33] <jasoncohen> apokryphos, i'm seeing the same high cpu usage in 1.2.3 though
[06:33] <cs378> jasoncohen: wow beep look n feel much better than xmms :P
[06:34] <apokryphos> jasoncohen: eek :|
[06:34] <jasoncohen> cs378, ok, now play in beep-media-player and see if you can get sound from totem or gnome
[06:34] <jasoncohen> cs378, yeah, beep-media-player is gtk2, much nicer
[06:34] <jasoncohen> and there are lots of skins
[06:34] <cs378> jasoncohen: how do i see if sound is from totem or gnome?
[06:35] <jasoncohen> cs378, do you have gnome sounds on?
[06:35] <jasoncohen> just hit the minimize button at the bottom left and see if you hear a sound
[06:35] <cs378> jasoncohen: gnome sound?
[06:35] <moparfan90_> Tomcat_, if i want to watch a music vid.... i cant
[06:35] <cs378> jasoncohen: sry still my 5th day usin  linux
[06:35] <cs378> jasoncohen: sry this is my 5th day usin  linux
[06:36] <jasoncohen> cs378, do you see the icon on the bottom left of your screen. click it and listen for a sound
[06:36] <jasoncohen> click again to restore your desktop
[06:36] <abhay007metal> hi everybody
[06:37] <cs378> jasoncohen: man, beep frooze, hold on
[06:37] <abhay007metal> any girl in this room
[06:38] <sijmen> Hello there
[06:38] <sijmen> I've just installed Ubuntu and I'm really impressed by how well it runs!
[06:38] <webby> How do I install files on linux?
[06:38] <jasoncohen> hello sijmen
[06:38] <webby> I'm new to this
[06:39] <jasoncohen> webby, what do you mean by "installing files"?
[06:39] <highvoltage> webby: what kind of files?
[06:39] <webby> all types in linux
[06:39] <cs378> jasoncohen: icon??? the volume control?
[06:39] <highvoltage> webby: you install programs using synptic
[06:39] <webby> .bz2
[06:39] <sijmen> I've been used to previous versions of GNOME and GTK especially to be quite slow with window resizing and stuff, but that's all gone.
[06:39] <abhay007metal> hey can any body tell me how i can run mp3 in ubuntu
[06:39] <jasoncohen> cs378, no- BOTTOM LEFT
[06:39] <webby> .bz2 files
[06:39] <highvoltage> webby: .bz2 is a compressed archive
[06:39] <cs378> jasoncohen: no
[06:39] <jasoncohen> webby, do you want to uncompress it?
[06:39] <webby> Yes
[06:39] <highvoltage> webby: would that contain a program, or music, or a document?
[06:40] <webby> program
[06:40] <deprave> right about now, funk soul brotha
[06:40] <sijmen> But erm, when using Gaim as MSN Messenger client, can I somehow disable the arrangement in groups of the contact list?
[06:40] <jasoncohen> webby, double click it and choose extract
[06:40] <jasoncohen> webby, if you want to install programs use synaptic
[06:40] <phixion> anyone know an ftp program in which u can limit the download rate?
[06:40] <jasoncohen> sijmen, you can put your buddies anywhere. just put them in one group
[06:41] <abhay007metal> can anybody tell me how to run mp3 in ubuntu
[06:41] <webby> I extract it and then I don't know what to do from there
[06:41] <jasoncohen> webby, or right click, choose extract here
[06:41] <jasoncohen> abhay007metal, sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:41] <jasoncohen> abhay007metal, but you'll need the universe repository enabled
[06:41] <sijmen> jasoncohen, I'll just do that then
[06:41] <abhay007metal> is it going to work
[06:41] <jasoncohen> follow the below instructions abhay007metal
[06:41] <jasoncohen> !repositories
[06:41] <ubotu> I guess repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto, or repos
[06:42] <tikka> hmm
[06:42] <jasoncohen> webby, what program are you trying to install?
[06:42] <mock> phixion: gFTP can do this
[06:42] <sijmen> Also, I have one other question. Ubuntu automagically adapted to the optimal screen resolution and refresh rate, but my secondary display is not configured. It's a display connected to the DVI port of my nVidia card. What's the easyest way to set this up?
[06:42] <jasoncohen> webby, almost all programs can be installed very easily through synaptic
[06:42] <tikka> Any suggestions for improving gui performance? Changed to xfce4 and its still pretty shite. amd athlon 3200xp 32bit, 786mb ram and radeon 9550 128mb gfx card.
[06:42] <webby> realtek audio codec
[06:42] <cs378> abhay007metal, n u need "sudo apt-get install beep-media-player"
[06:42] <jasoncohen> webby, go to System > Administration > Synaptic Package Manager and search for the program you want to install
[06:43] <abhay007metal> and where can i find it
[06:43] <phixion> ah thx mock
[06:43] <jasoncohen> tikka, the performance is bad on that hardware? you have to be kidding
[06:43] <tikka> jasoncohen, no its really slow
[06:43] <jasoncohen> cs378, no- that's not his problem
[06:43] <jasoncohen> he needs mp3 support
[06:43] <webby> it's no listed in the package manager
[06:43] <jasoncohen> tikka, do you have DMA on your drives?
[06:43] <mock> File -> Options and then on the Network Tab (not sure if the translation to english ist right)
[06:44] <jasoncohen> webby, install it from synaptic
[06:44] <tikka> jasoncohen, ill just run hdparm one sec.
[06:44] <cs378> jasoncohen: i know, just give him a player if he dont got so
[06:44] <tikka> erm..
[06:44] <tikka> its not got it
[06:44] <jasoncohen> cs378, ubuntu installs rhythmbox by default
[06:44] <jasoncohen> cs378, applications > sound & video > Music
[06:44] <jasoncohen> tikka, that would explain it
[06:45] <st_viateur> i'm on an 800mhz piii with about 400megs of ram and an ancient s3 video card and gnome runs beautifully for me
[06:45] <Petrov> hello
[06:45] <cs378> jasoncohen: oh, right lol
[06:45] <jasoncohen> tikka, sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
[06:45] <jasoncohen> tikka, then go to /etc/hdparm.conf
[06:45] <jasoncohen> and add
[06:45] <jasoncohen> /dev/hda {
[06:45] <jasoncohen>      dma=on
[06:45] <jasoncohen> }
[06:45] <tikka> thank you
[06:46] <spatry> HI all.  Is there a way to save configuration to a usb drive with the live cd?
[06:46] <Petrov> goodbye
[06:46] <tikka>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[06:46] <tikka>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[06:46] <tikka> root@smeg:~ #
[06:46] <webby> How do I install it from synaptics when it's not listed?
[06:46] <tikka> its a sata disk btw.. which if i remember correctly all modes are dynamic ?
[06:47] <jasoncohen> tikka, sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/sda
[06:47] <jasoncohen> i thought it was IDE
[06:47] <tikka> i cannot believe i just pasted it without changing
[06:47] <tikka> so much for being a gentoo user ;p
[06:47] <jasoncohen> lol
[06:47] <tikka> ok anyways
[06:48] <jasoncohen> did it work?
[06:48] <tikka>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[06:48] <jasoncohen> tikka, heh, you just passed my area of expertise, heh
[06:48] <tikka> its definatly sda the disk is on
[06:48] <Poromies> tikka: what chipset are you on? and what kernel?
[06:48] <tikka> jasoncohen, thats cool. I really appreciate it
[06:48] <jasoncohen> yeah, it should be sda
[06:48] <tikka> i know its an sis sata card
[06:48] <tikka> do you need specific chip?
[06:48] <jasoncohen> you can check with sudo fdisk -l
[06:49] <jasoncohen> tikka, i don't use SATA. that's the problem
[06:49] <jasoncohen> tikka, #gentoo or #debian might be a better place to ask. just ask generically since it's a pretty generic problem
[06:49] <tikka> Poromies, not sure on chip 2.6.10-5-386 is my kernel
[06:49] <Poromies> i had similar problems with Radeon XPRESS 200 on my lappy, DMA (nor anything else with HD) was working
[06:49] <boga> kde
[06:50] <tikka> i see
[06:50] <tikka> that sucks bad
[06:50] <jasoncohen> Poromies, SATA hd?
[06:50] <jasoncohen> tikka, does it work fine on gentoo?
[06:50] <tikka> my gentoo insall was with ide
[06:50] <tikka> ;/
[06:50] <Poromies> hmm, not sure
[06:50] <tikka> install
[06:50] <jasoncohen> ah, yeah IDE drives have DMA enabled by default
[06:50] <tikka> do they?
[06:50] <tikka> i dunno..
[06:50] <jasoncohen> Poromies, i was asking tikka
[06:50] <Poromies> bit i thought it was just a chipset problem, installed a newer kernel and it worked
[06:51] <Poromies> okok
[06:51] <jasoncohen> Poromies, what kernel are you using?
[06:51] <snivitz0> Hello ppl, Is there a way to make it so when you access places and choose say Home Folder it will open with the file manager preferences as if you accessed it in Applications > System Tools > File Manager. I noticed when you access any folder from Places it strips some options that you can't enable? Side Pane, Location Bar, and Status Bar for example.
[06:51] <tikka> during the gentoo stage 1 install the guide pointed out that nearly all distros out of the box have crap hdd performance configured
[06:51] <jasoncohen> tikka, Poromies might be right. sometimes you need a really new kernel for SATA support
[06:51] <tikka> i see
[06:51] <webby> Okay, the file that I am trying to open is called azx.tar.bz2
[06:51] <tikka> hmm
[06:51] <jasoncohen> tikka, you might want to try 2.6.11 or 2.6.12 from breezy
[06:51] <tikka> im willing to give it a spipnaroo :)
[06:51] <webby> I extracted it but don't know how to add it to synaptics
[06:51] <tikka> you dont object me doing it from source do ya?
[06:51] <tikka> ;/
[06:52] <jasoncohen> tikka, nope
[06:52] <tikka> ok cool
[06:52] <crimsun> tikka: all SATA drives use DMA, so hdparm -d is useless
[06:52] <Poromies> tikka: i updated mine from breezy, and was careful not to take anything else from it.. it has been solid for a month now
[06:52] <crimsun> tikka: what does hdparm -I /dev/sda do?
[06:52] <tikka> crimsun, is that because its all dynamic as the sata drive handles itself ?
[06:52] <jasoncohen> heh, see how much i knew?
[06:52] <jasoncohen> nothing about SATA i guess
[06:53] <crimsun> tikka: the controller does, yes
[06:53] <tikka> thanks
[06:53] <crimsun> tikka: what does hdparm -I /dev/sda do?
[06:53] <jasoncohen> so, what else would explain really crappy performance on an amd 3200+
[06:53] <Poromies> spanish inquisition
[06:54] <luzbelito> hi. i wanna install webcam nx with spca5xx-20050701 but i cant. it says i dont has "read/write access to your kernel source tree." please help me
[06:54] <Poromies> (sry, Monty Python humour)
[06:54] <tikka>    DMA: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5 udma6
[06:54] <tikka>              Cycle time: min=120ns recommended=120ns
[06:54] <crimsun> tikka: there are really only two flags worth using with an SATA drive, and those are -A and -W
[06:54] <crimsun> tikka: try -W1
[06:54] <tikka> missing value
[06:54] <crimsun> -W1  <--
[06:54] <tikka> for the -W swtich
[06:54] <tikka> ah
[06:55] <tikka> lol
[06:55] <jasoncohen> tikka, sorry for the inaccurate info before
[06:55] <tikka> jasoncohen, dont you worry. It turned my attention to hdparm anyway.. I had totaly forgot of its existance
[06:56] <tikka>  setting drive write-caching to 1 (on)
[06:56] <Nomad> How's eveyone doing?
[06:56] <crimsun> tikka: does it help?
[06:56] <tikka> 2 ticks ill open some stuff
[06:56] <crimsun> tikka: there's also the -A flag for read-ahead
[06:56] <HappyFool> crimsun: so DMA isn't useful for SATA ?
[06:56] <tikka> enabled
[06:56] <tikka> ive enabled it, now that u mention it
[06:56] <Poromies> hmm, how about "hdparm -Tt /dev/sda" to measure drive performance?
[06:56] <Nomad> Is it possable for a linux installation to display at a higher res. than 1024x768 (i.e. 1280x1024)?
[06:56] <crimsun> HappyFool: DMA is enabled by default for SATA
[06:57] <tikka> also generaly the gui appears latent
[06:57] <jasoncohen> Nomad, yes
[06:57] <jasoncohen> !resolution
[06:57] <ubotu> resolution is, like, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:57] <tikka> crimsun, brb 2 minutes switching window maker. i cant really call it a fair comparison
[06:57] <Nomad> reading....
[06:58] <hondje> stupid ricers
[06:59] <jasoncohen> if ddcprobe | grep monitorrange can detect the monitor range correctly, why can't xorg do so initiailly?
[06:59] <jasoncohen> oh, nevermind- it detected the LCD wrong- not my CRT
[06:59] <tikka> im back
[06:59] <tikka> and..
[07:00] <tikka> i think that there is minimal, maybe even no difference. .. its hard to tell.
[07:00] <tikka> Any other performance settings i could alter?
[07:00] <tikka> the swapfile setting is that likely to change owt?
[07:00] <crimsun> maybe the DMA mode
[07:01] <crimsun> (the write-caching generally won't help for loading apps ;)
[07:01] <tikka> yea true ;p
[07:01] <tikka> hehe
[07:01] <luzbelito> hi. i wanna install webcam nx with spca5xx-20050701 but i cant. it says i dont has "read/write access to your kernel source tree." please help me
[07:01] <deprave> tikka
[07:01] <deprave> are you on aol on linux?
[07:02] <deprave> eheheheheheh
[07:02] <deprave> right on.
[07:02] <dialtone> where can I find more information on why I shouldn't use breezy?
[07:02] <tikka>  Timing cached reads:   1092 MB in  2.01 seconds = 544.45 MB/sec
[07:02] <tikka>  Timing buffered disk reads:  168 MB in  3.00 seconds =  55.92 MB/sec
[07:02] <tikka> deprave, lol
[07:02] <deprave> penggy?
[07:02] <crimsun> dialtone: Xorg being slightly broken is one major deterrent
[07:02] <dialtone> ok
[07:02] <tikka> deprave, if you have broadband you can use a standard router to distribute internet.. no more GAY software :D
[07:02] <deprave> tikka what are you using to dial
[07:03] <deprave> oh
[07:03] <deprave> im on dialup
[07:03] <deprave> eheheh
[07:03] <tikka> ahh
[07:03] <boga> I am having trouble setting up apache! No matter how I install it using synaptic, it just does not work!
[07:03] <tikka> u poor bugger
[07:03] <tikka> lol
[07:03] <deprave> lol
[07:03] <deprave> its the fastest dialup i've ever had!
[07:03] <deprave> =D
[07:03] <MAPD> hi
[07:03] <tikka> there was aol dial projects a plenty few years ago for nix
[07:03] <bwlang> boga: you're going to have to do some text file editing to get apache working...
[07:03] <MAPD> im connected to a router if i install ubuntu i will have no problem?
[07:03] <deprave> yeah penggy is the best
[07:03] <hopeng> how to limit the client's internet conncetion ?
[07:03] <bwlang> boga: try apache2... then edit /etc/apache2/sites-available/default
[07:03] <deprave> MAPD: only one way to find out
[07:04] <idiotique> hey ya people, im having trouble gettin an nvidia drivers to work out 3D. anybody who knows the way round this?
[07:04] <boga> ok
[07:04] <tikka> cool
[07:04] <MAPD> ok...
[07:04] <HappyFool> idiotique: did you follow the wiki instructions?
[07:04] <abhay007metal> how can i configure my email server
[07:04] <boga> bwlang: But it will not even display the test page!
[07:04] <idiotique> where's that HappyFool.
[07:04] <bwlang> boga: is it running? (ps aux)
[07:05] <tikka> crimsun, what do you think ? Timing cached reads:   1092 MB in  2.01 seconds = 544.45 MB/sec  |  iming buffered disk reads:  168 MB in  3.00 seconds =  55.92 MB/sec
[07:05] <HappyFool> !nvidia
[07:05] <ubotu> well, nvidia is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:05] <st_viateur> boga: did you try sudo ifup lo before trying to look at the test page?
[07:05] <HappyFool> idiotique: ubotu will post the url
[07:05] <file> is there a way to make my ubuntu look prettier.. ?
[07:05] <crimsun> tikka: well, my HD is quite slow...
[07:05] <file> i use gnome desktop
[07:05] <idiotique> i think its with my xconfig...
[07:05] <deprave> file: download themese
[07:05] <idiotique> k will c
[07:05] <boga> nope!
[07:05] <Belutz> !modem
[07:05] <ubotu> Belutz: I don't know
[07:05] <file> deprave, alright sounds like a plan
[07:05] <Belutz> !cable
[07:05] <ubotu> Belutz: Are you smoking crack?
[07:05] <deprave> file: go check out uh, www.gnome-look.org
[07:05] <HappyFool> idiotique: read that url; it will tell you how to fairly easily install and configure the nvidia drivers
[07:06] <idiotique> thanks Happy ;)
[07:06] <idiotique> tryin
[07:06] <deprave> file: do a search for a background picture called micro, it looks like: http://mizar.lod.com/~bsd/Screenshot.jpg
[07:06] <deprave> it's neat
[07:06] <file> heh sounds good, thanks for the hookup
[07:06] <deprave> yeah
[07:06] <faen> Hey folks, apparently when I restarted fluxbox it did something to synaptic as to where it extends well beyond my screen boundaries.. does anyone know where the conf files are to reset the geometry of synaptic on startup?
[07:06] <TenPlus1> hi folks
[07:07] <deprave> calling me folk makes me feel old and living in tennessee
[07:07] <HappyFool> hmm. if /dev/sndstat says 'Midi devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG' does that mean i won't be able to get midi working easily/at all?
[07:08] <TenPlus1> could someone help me wiht a wireless setup in Ubuntu pls...
[07:08] <deprave> whats the problem with a wireless setup
[07:08] <Belutz> anyone using Motorola SB5100 cable modem?
[07:08] <TenPlus1> I've installed my driver with ndiswrapper and it's working ok and active
[07:08] <crimsun> HappyFool: it means you need to load the modules
[07:08] <TenPlus1> I've set the ssid and wep protection and switched on ad-hoc mode
[07:08] <crimsun> (snd-seq-oss, snd-seq)
[07:08] <idiotique> weird, im not able to apt-get thte nvidia-glx drivers...?
[07:08] <TenPlus1> but I cant seem to get Firestarter to activate properly and share my internet connection with my laptop
[07:09] <HappyFool> crimsun: i've modprobed just about everything with 'midi' in the name i can find ;)
[07:09] <TenPlus1> am seriously stumped
[07:09] <crimsun> (and if your hw doesn't have support, you need to use a soft synth like timidity)
[07:09] <faen> hrm, I can't find these synaptic conf files ;/
[07:09] <HappyFool> oh
[07:09] <HappyFool> except 'snd-mpu401', that seemed to work
[07:10] <MAPD> bye
[07:10] <boga> how can I know what package supplies "wmvdmod.dll" using apt tools?
[07:10] <Faaaaky> hey.. anyone here, who speaks german?
[07:10] <HappyFool> boga: at a guess, w32codecs, only available from hoary-extras, i believe
[07:10] <hopeng> gutten nacht Faaaaky
[07:11] <HappyFool> boga: i think this page (see ubotu following) will tell you more:
[07:11] <hybrid_goth> Faaaaky:  there is a ubuntu german
[07:11] <HappyFool> !restricted
[07:11] <ubotu> from memory, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:11] <TenPlus1> deprave: any ideas ?
[07:11] <apokryphos> Faaaaky: #ubuntu-de
[07:11] <Faaaaky> ok, thank you
[07:12] <Faaaaky> the page on ubuntulinux.org is down
[07:12] <Amaranth> Faaaaky: works here
[07:12] <MartenH> hehe, got a gnome:ish paw on my menu instead of a foot :)
[07:12] <Amaranth> oh, you weren't talking about that page
[07:12] <Faaaaky> hm ok :)
[07:13] <TenPlus1> anyone good with networking ???
[07:14] <hopeng> can htb / cbq installed on ubuntu ?
[07:14] <znh> good evening folks
[07:14] <TenPlus1> need to share internet through wireless card... help :)
[07:14] <boga> HappyFool: Having trouble extracting the link. Kindly paste it for me.
[07:14] <JayParadise> TenPlus1, i think i have that problem  too
[07:14] <JayParadise> does it have something to do with dhcp leasing
[07:14] <TenPlus1> HayParadise: what card and what s/w u using to share ?
[07:14] <hopeng> TenPlus1, how to bandwith quota the client's ?
[07:15] <JayParadise> im wired on linux, my mothers computer is the wireless client
[07:15] <JayParadise> linksys wireless adapter
[07:15] <TenPlus1> hopeng: huh ? I'm trying to simply share internet access from ubuntu pc to winxp laptop
[07:15] <HappyFool> boga: ok
[07:15] <TenPlus1> <-- Asus WL-138g PCI card, ad-hoc'd to WinXP laptop with wireless card
[07:15] <HappyFool> boga: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:15] <TenPlus1> am trying to use Firestarter to share internet but not working
[07:16] <luzbelito> hi. i wanna install webcam nx with spca5xx-20050701 but i cant. it says i dont has "read/write access to your kernel source tree." please help me
[07:16] <JayParadise> on every linux i got and in the moth ive had ubuntu everytime the lease expires both clients r off until i restart the dhcp server
[07:16] <JayParadise> ive tried everything i can think of to fix it but wont work
[07:17] <TenPlus1> am gonna use a static ip addy on wlan0 incase that works...
[07:17] <JayParadise> i have the gayest of all gateways , a motorola
[07:17] <TenPlus1> lol...
[07:18] <JayParadise> what are you using ad hoc for?
[07:18] <JayParadise> i ask cus i dont get its point other than businesses
[07:18] <JayParadise> that like want to restrict their employees from the net
[07:18] <alvaro> what's the name of the program for copy cd in gnome?
[07:19] <D1> nautilus-burn?
[07:19] <D1> gnomebaker?
[07:19] <D1> graveman?
[07:19] <D1> take your pick. hehe
[07:19] <alvaro> no
[07:19] <alvaro> there are other best
[07:19] <D1> coaster?
[07:19] <D1> k3b?
[07:19] <alvaro> no
[07:20] <alvaro> is gnome baker
[07:20] <alvaro> sorry
[07:20] <D1> ah ok.
[07:20] <alvaro> what's is the best? gnomebaker or graveman
[07:20] <TenPlus1> has anyone used Nero for Linux yet ???
[07:20] <alvaro> it's free?
[07:20] <D1> I dont know, gnomebaker is still heavily in development.
[07:21] <D1> I would try it if it was gtk2
[07:21] <D1> but even then, I doubt they'd follow the HIG in any way.
[07:21] <D1> hence adobe acrobat
[07:22] <Amaranth> gnomebaker is gtk2
[07:23] <JayParadise> nero is in linux?
[07:23] <TiffOn> alguno esta puesto en apache?
[07:23] <TenPlus1> yeh
[07:23] <JayParadise> whend it come out?
[07:23] <TenPlus1> if it's as good as the Win32 version it'll be a great cd/dvd prog
[07:25] <Triffid_Hunter> k3b is similar enough to nero for me to be happy with it
[07:25] <koffa_> I tried to try it, but had problems with the kernel and so on, but it seemed to lack many of the functions you have in windows
[07:25] <JayParadise> stroms suck i just had this war of the wordls style storm and it shut off the power
[07:25] <JayParadise> there goes my uptime
[07:25] <dr_willis> nero linux came out about a month ago. ive not heard that its very outstanding. :P
[07:26] <JayParadise> http://jaypara.sytes.net/cgi-bin/uprecords.cgi
[07:26] <dr_willis> ie: most reviews say stick with k3b
[07:26] <JayParadise> i have to wait till 8/3 to get to where i was
[07:26] <JayParadise> i type uptime in my schools linux and it says 143 days
[07:26] <JayParadise> they must have a generator
[07:27] <deprave> mmm mmm beyach
[07:27] <JayParadise> what the hell
[07:27] <JayParadise> im online on irc.
[07:27] <Belutz> hmmm how to set IP address from console?
[07:27] <JayParadise> but all of a sudden port 80 is gone
[07:28] <JayParadise> i think someone just clicked that link and apache is screwed up or something
[07:28] <Belutz> !network
[07:28] <ubotu> Belutz: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[07:29] <hybrid_goth> lol
[07:29] <gradzac> Belutz: try ifconfig <dev name> <IP address>
[07:29] <JayParadise> !network ?
[07:29] <linukso> bizkit: edit /etc/network/interface and restart networking
[07:29] <ubotu> No idea, JayParadise
[07:29] <linukso> bizkit: sorry, wrong address
[07:29] <linukso> Belutz: edit /etc/network/interface
[07:29] <Belutz> linukso: ok thx
[07:30] <jp> how can I pass a ogg video to mpeg? Thanks
[07:31] <JayParadise> on a dhcp lease table , when it says start time 0 end lease time 0 , is that standard for infinite or an indication of error
[07:31] <linukso> jp: I don't understand the question. Do you want to play a ogg(theora) file, or convert it to mpeg (2 or 4)
[07:32] <JayParadise> well im going 2 have to delete myself off hte lease and renew
[07:32] <JayParadise> brb
[07:32] <nmsa> is there a command like HP's print_manifest in ubuntu? to get a hw description report?
[07:32] <jp> linukso convert (pass to)
[07:33] <Polygon_Pusher> Whomever helped me out with the res. issue, thanks ... the site led me to a solution that worked like a champ.
[07:33] <linukso> jp: you can use mplayer and direct the raw output to a file, and then encode that file to mpeg with mplayers encoder
[07:34] <jp> linukso how can I cut some seconds of a movie? I really need it to show what xgl did on guadec :-(
[07:34] <sijmen> l/away
[07:34] <nmsa> how can I get the hw report for my pc in a text file?
[07:34] <linukso> jp: but I don't understand why you want to convert something from the free and pure format theora to a lesser format :)
[07:34] <sijmen> So.. what's the easyest way to enable my second monitor on an nVidia card?
[07:35] <luzbelito> anyone can help me to install webcam nx ?
[07:35] <dj28> nmsa: check out /proc
[07:35] <jp> linukso cause I can't play with ogg on pitivi, now I need something to cut a ogg
[07:35] <jp> :-)
[07:35] <jp> so I'll use property software
[07:35] <jp> heheh
[07:35] <dr_willis> sijmen,  last i tried that  the silly thing defaulted to the wrong monitor as my 'default' :P
[07:35] <linukso> jp: pitivi cant edit theora?
[07:36] <sijmen> Haha. Well, Ubuntu defaulted to the right one.
[07:36] <linukso> jp: did you compile pititvi from source, or is it in hoary-extras?
[07:36] <sijmen> The other one is currently cloning, but it won't work since that one can't handle the same refresh rate my primary one can.
[07:36] <dr_willis> sijmen,  theres 2 ways to get it going as far as i know. the xcinerama stuff and then nvidias own method. :P i gave up soon afterwards and cant tell ya more.
[07:37] <sijmen> I did the 'official' nVidia method before, but it wasn't really pretty.
[07:37] <sijmen> Maybe someone had come up with some nice graphical tool in the meantime.
[07:37] <ValheruLord> ho can i take screenshot of all screen with screen?
[07:38] <dr_willis> Grr.. anyone else HATE how the 'search' button/box pops up on the ubuntu forums? the thing isent even working for me any more in Firefox
[07:38] <hybrid_> dr_willis:  yea
[07:39] <jp> linukso source doesn't worken, when I executed itm it said me: couldn't load pygtk! (that's weird dude)
[07:39] <jp> :-)
[07:39] <dr_willis> hybrid_,  heh :)  ive also noticed tht the search isent that smart.. I searched for "v2311" it found nothing.. put in "v3211us" then it found it..
[07:40] <jp> linukso brb
[07:40] <JayParadise> is there a way to pipe passwords into program starting scripts
[07:40] <JayParadise> that need to be run as root
[07:40] <hybrid_> lol
[07:40] <jp> linukso go installiung some soft on win :'(
[07:40] <JayParadise> for example sudo network-admin | echo password
[07:40] <macgyver2> dr_willis...same thing would happen if you pulled that search on your files...
[07:41] <dr_willis> macgyver2,  so i need to use wildcards then? :P
[07:41] <JayParadise> nah guess security is too good
[07:41] <JayParadise> just need it for one startup script
[07:41] <JayParadise> ifconfig eth0
[07:41] <DekaPink> Mplayer is broken and I don't know what to do. :3
[07:41] <JayParadise> sry
[07:41] <ValheruLord> how can i take my screenshot withut gnome or kde apps
[07:42] <dr_willis> ValheruLord,  you mean of X or the console?
[07:42] <macgyver2> dr_willis, dunno I was just pointing that out...and I can't try it because the search is broken :)
[07:43] <ValheruLord> dr_willis, X  ??
[07:43] <hybrid_goth> try
[07:43] <hybrid_goth> or
[07:43] <hybrid_goth> google site:ubuntuforums.org <foo>
[07:43] <ValheruLord> dr_willis, in X i mean ...
[07:44] <hybrid_goth> DekaPink:  how is it "broke"
[07:44] <bit0> hello
[07:44] <bit0> why don't use breezy?
[07:44] <DekaPink> hybrid_goth, It just freezes when I try to open files.
[07:44] <apokryphos> bit0: it's heavily in development. Many things will be broken; often X.
[07:44] <hybrid_goth> DekaPink:  what kinda of files
[07:44] <linukso> Belutz: because its not ready and will break your system...
[07:45] <hybrid_goth> h/o it freezes in the terminal
[07:45] <DekaPink> hybrid_goth, any media files... It was working before, though.
[07:45] <macgyver2> dr_willis, wildcards it is...v2311* came back with results
[07:45] <hybrid_goth> DekaPink:  so it freezes in the terminal?
[07:45] <DekaPink> hybrid_goth, I'm using the graphical interface. :3
[07:46] <hybrid_goth> DekaPink: did you apt-get it or compile it?
[07:46] <dr_willis> macgyver2,  heh - I think this is the first search forum that ive seen that uses wildcards in that way :P
[07:46] <Oniano> hi, i have run into a bit of trouble dist-upgrading from debian to ubuntu
[07:46] <DekaPink> hybrid_goth, apt-get
[07:46] <hybrid_goth> so it is gmplayer
[07:46] <Oniano> i get the following error
[07:46] <Nostromo^> what's the most commonly used podcast app on ubuntu, please?
[07:46] <Oniano> cupsys failed to preconfigure, with exit status 2
[07:46] <Oniano> dpkg: configuration error: unknown option log: Success
[07:46] <Oniano> dpkg: configuration error: unknown option log: Success
[07:46] <Oniano> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2
[07:46] <hybrid_goth> DekaPink:  try this in the terminal mplayer <media file that worked before>
[07:46] <bit0> i've installed some breezy packages, how could i come back to "stable"?
[07:47] <bit0> apokryphos, X.org still broken :/
[07:47] <hybrid_goth> bit0: reinstall or remove pkgs
[07:47] <Oniano> i would do an install from scratch ... but i have the ICH5 SATA problem, where it hangs when detecting PS/2 mouse
[07:47] <bit0> hybrid_goth, how reinstall?
[07:48] <hybrid_goth> bit0: a) reinstall whole distro  b) remove pkgs and install stable ones
[07:48] <hybrid_goth> brb
[07:48] <inCo> hello, i jumped straight from windows and a complete fresh linux user. could anyone tell me how i can edit a file? "xorg.conf" in particular
[07:48] <bit0> hybrid_goth, whole distro????
[07:48] <DekaPink> hybrid_goth, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/830
[07:49] <inCo> i want to add usage to the extra buttons in my mouse, and cant because i dont know how to make the file so it is not read-only
[07:49] <dj28> inCo: sudo gedit /path/to/xorg.conf
[07:50] <ccesario> hey... somebody with keyboard (BR ABNT2) problem in breezy?!
[07:50] <hybrid_goth> back
[07:50] <hybrid_goth> bit0: with option a
[07:51] <MartenH> so what else should I do to my system... hmmmm
[07:51] <DekaPink> hybrid_goth, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/830 is what it says to me. :3
[07:51] <mock> inCo: open a terminal and enter: sudo gedit
[07:53] <inCo> thakyou mock
[07:53] <inCo> much appreciateed
[07:53] <hybrid_goth> DekaPink: join me in #flood
[07:53] <mock> inCo: Configuration files are normaly owned be root and not editably by other users for security reasons
[07:54] <hybrid_goth> whats the dvd lib?
[07:54] <hybrid_goth> libcssdvd?
[07:54] <crispynix-v6> libdvdcss
[07:54] <hybrid_goth> ok ty
[07:55] <HappyFool> libdvdcss2, i thought?
[07:55] <hybrid_goth> dont you need that to play video in mplayer?
[07:56] <HappyFool> to play encrypted dvd's, yes
[07:58] <karim> what do I need to install to get flash ?
[07:58] <hybrid_goth> what 3dfx
[07:58] <sijmen> I have a few days to spend working on some open source project. I'm fluent with C#, can do some C++. Also, I can do English->Dutch translation. What I'm mainly interrested in are usability features. Any ideas?
[07:58] <hybrid_goth> gflash
[07:58] <sijmen> With usability I mean for normal users, not users with limited vision for example.
[07:58] <TenPlus1> Does anyone know how to setup a proper Ad-Hoc wireless network between 2 pc's... ???
[07:59] <HappyFool> good night
[07:59] <akk> What's the "right" way to get ubuntu to see a network (cardbus) card after installation?
[07:59] <akk> Before I go editing config files by hand.
[08:00] <equex> what do i need to do to activate a second vid card and its monitor_ ? does that go into xorg.conf-4 or something_?
[08:00] <akk> Device Manager refuses to run because hald isn't running, Networking says it can't do anything because it has no devices.
[08:03] <Cody`> anyone here want to assist me in getting my mouse working?
[08:06] <luzbelito> anyone can help me to install webcam nx ?
[08:06] <dr_willis> luzbelito,  you sure tht thing is even supported at all?
[08:07] <dr_willis> theres a great many webcams out that have no linux support/drivers of any form. :(
[08:07] <Octane> if i am upgrading a deb package, what flags do i use with dpkg?
[08:09] <zimba> How can I list all the useless files in my system ?
[08:09] <Octane> lol
[08:09] <dr_willis> luzbelito,  a quick google found -> http://zc0302.sourceforge.net/zc0302.php
[08:10] <zimba> If I do dpkg-query -S <filename>, some files are not listed belonging to any package
[08:10] <luzbelito> dr_willis,  i wanna install webcam nx with spca5xx-20050701 but i cant. it says i dont has "read/write access to your kernel source tree." please help me
[08:10] <zimba> But ! It seems some of the are still used (eg. in /usr/share/fonts)
[08:10] <dr_willis> luzbelito,  you need to be root to ahve access.
[08:11] <dr_willis> luzbelito,  nay want to check out the wiki and forums to see if others are useing that device
[08:12] <zimba> Some times dpkg-query -S lists packages that are no longer installed. Does it mean some files are not removed on uninstall ?
[08:13] <AndieB> Hi all! Here comes a NEW Ubuntu user... I have now left the Windows enivroment and started using Ubuntu!
[08:13] <linukso> Congratulations :)
[08:13] <zimba> Welcome AndieB
[08:13] <AndieB> Thank you!
[08:13] <hybrid_goth> congratz
[08:14] <nmsa> bravo!
[08:14] <Cody`> I would if my stinking mouse would work...
[08:14] <AndieB> It is a new world... a world... without... problems... ;)
[08:14] <hybrid_goth> idk about that
[08:14] <zimba> AndieB: define problems :-P
[08:14] <Cody`> lol
[08:14] <hybrid_goth> a world without spyware yes
[08:14] <Octane> worst.guide.ever -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Creating_an_Ubuntu_.deb_Package?highlight=%28deb%29
[08:14] <hybrid_goth> problems no
[08:14] <AndieB> ... reboot... lots of patching... etc... :D
[08:14] <dr_willis> Octane,  edit it and put that at the top then. :P
[08:15] <Octane> dr_willis: dude you look at it?
[08:15] <dr_willis> Octane,  loading it now. :P
[08:15] <hybrid_goth> hahah
[08:15] <AndieB> I want to install and use jEdit, anyone who can tell me how?
[08:15] <Cody`> apt-get install j-edit?
[08:15] <dr_willis> Octane,  at least its short :P and to the point.
[08:15] <Octane> AndieB: #jedit is really helpful
[08:15] <hybrid_goth> apt-get install jedit?
[08:16] <Cody`> woops, added a - :/
[08:16] <AndieB> Oki.. remember, I'm a newbie!! :)
[08:16] <Cody`> no package
[08:16] <zimba> Jedit depends on Java  muahaahha
[08:17] <Madison> I seem to have lost a couple of drives
[08:17] <zimba> AndieB: www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:17] <levander> Do mpg files have some kind of ID3 tag in them?
[08:17] <paulproteus> Madison: Where did you last see them?  Are you sure they're not under you're bed?
[08:17] <Madison> wouldn't surprise me actually
[08:17] <zimba> levander: good question
[08:18] <lmurillo> hello
[08:18] <levander> zimba: you know the answer?
[08:18] <jrronimo> So is there any reason why Ubuntu wouldn't be able to find my CD-ROM drive? It can boot to the CD and /start/ the installation process, but then it can't find it?
[08:18] <levander> what about a UNIX utility I can use to read the id3 tag?
[08:18] <lmurillo> I got some questions regarding fluxbox, like why do my font's look big and my styles aren't using the artwiz fonts?
[08:19] <levander> jrronimo: check and see if it's recognized during boot up
[08:19] <faen> hmm, anyone have any idea as to why i'm getting this:
[08:19] <faen> bash: make-install: command not found
[08:19] <faen> make works fine
[08:19] <Madison> nope, the drives are still in the computer
[08:19] <linukso> levander: id3tools
[08:19] <faen> just make-install and make-check do not work
[08:19] <jrronimo> levander: Everything goes by so fast -- is there a command I can put in for the installer or something that'll tell me? I can't even get the live cd to boot for the same reason.
[08:19] <zimba> levander: IMO, mpeg is a compression format and should have no header
[08:19] <jrronimo> the drive itself is a Pioneer DVR-108 on PATA.
[08:20] <zimba> levander: if you want metadatas use AVI or Theora
[08:20] <Octane> whats the exact point of debootstrap?
[08:20] <Davey> PATA?
[08:20] <Madison> parallel ata?
[08:20] <jrronimo> parallel ata, sorry. Differing from serial ata, since, y'know, so many drives are on SATA... haha.
[08:20] <levander> zimba: it's not my choice of file format, i'm just downloading some files, and want to generate playlists for them
[08:21] <levander> linukso: 'apt-cache search id3tools' says there's no package named that in the ubuntu repositories.  There's another name for this package?
[08:21] <akk> So nobody knows how to configure a cardbus network card?
[08:21] <Madison> I only sussed out the login bit a few minutes ago akk, I'll be of no use to ya
[08:21] <lmurillo> for example I have root-tail using the "fixed" font from the artwiz fonts and it doesn't use it and fluxbox uses another font from artwiz and it won't use them. How can I fix this?
[08:21] <levander> linukso: my bad, it's called id3tool
[08:22] <linukso> levander: minus the "s" :)
[08:22] <faen> duh, why am i hyphenating make-install
[08:22] <DekaPink> Well, that's funny... Mplayer and Totem don't work under fglrx, but they're fine with the default driver ubuntu gives me. :3
[08:23] <Mikko> Hello
[08:24] <faen> sudo apt-get install mplayer
[08:24] <faen> bah
[08:24] <Mikko> I have problem:  I installed ubuntu and this logged in and doesn't let me to change any settings: network, users etc? How can I fix this?
[08:25] <Mikko> I assume this first user should be admin...
[08:25] <faen> Mikko: you are the admin
[08:25] <linukso> Mikko: just use you normal user passwd when asked
[08:25] <faen> use sudo
[08:25] <koffa_> arh, I'm trying to install mplayer now, and apt-get can't find the package, any ideas?
[08:25] <levander> okay, no id3 tags, in these mpeg files anyway
[08:25] <levander> there's a utility to determine the length, in seconds, of an mpg file?
[08:26] <TenPlus1> is there any other way to share internet connections without using Firestarter in Ubuntu ???
[08:26] <Octane> anyone know of a good guide to building deb packages
[08:26] <linukso> levander: mpgtx - Toolbox to manipulate MPEG files (video, system, and audio)
[08:26] <hybrid_goth> Octane: heh look at the wiki? lol
[08:26] <imaek> How can I check how much space a hard drive has free though the command line?
[08:26] <Octane> hybrid_goth: that one is complicated it has all this bootstrap crap
[08:26] <linukso> imaek: df -h
[08:26] <Madison> right. the device manager sees the drives, but I cant get the file browser to see them at all, and it wont let me mount them (although I'm probably doing that wrong as well)
[08:27] <Webby`> can someone help me with sound issues that i am having?
[08:27] <faen> Webby`: can try
[08:27] <Octane> tamir has a good howto on ubuntuforums but it doesnt discuss what to do if you want to do a -dev package and so forth
[08:27] <Mikko> Well, this doesn't accept it.
[08:27] <Webby`> it dsays no device elements or devices found
[08:27] <moffa> Can anyone help me with installation of Ubuntu on an ide raid card that isn't detecting properly?
[08:27] <Webby`> I'm on an hp comp a1020n
[08:28] <TenPlus1> both wireless cards configures and connecting to one another ..but.. ubuntu doesnt seem to be sharing internet connection thru Firestarter... any ideas ???
[08:28] <hybrid_goth> where are the hoary torrents?
[08:29] <Mikko> Faen and linukso: tried again -> says terminated with 1 status
[08:29] <zimba> levander: apparently mpg only stores informations like ratio and framerate in the mpg headers
[08:30] <hybrid_goth> !torrents
[08:30] <ubotu> hybrid_goth: I don't know, could you explain it?
[08:30] <linukso> Mikko: are you trying to change the settings through the System->Admin menu? you might try to start the admin apps from a terminal to get some more debug info
[08:31] <hybrid_goth> what is on the install dvd thats better then the cd?
[08:31] <Mikko> Linukso: yes, I tried from system admin menu. How to do it from terminal? Start application Terminal and that way?
[08:32] <tucoz> Hi, I am trying to get 1280x800 mode running on my laptop in ubuntu. I am using vesa. Any ideas on what I should do?
[08:32] <levander> linukso: i just looked at mpgtx quickly.  You know that mpgtx will tell me the number of seconds, or you were suggesting to look into that?  Cause, looking quickly, I don't see where mpgtx tells the number of seconds.
[08:32] <znh> tucoz: yes, May I help you?
[08:32] <linukso> Mikko: Rightclick on the desktop and select "Open terminal",type "sudo users-admin
[08:33] <tucoz> znh: Yes, most certainly. I have tried everything I can think of
[08:33] <liran_> hey guys
[08:33] <nadjyla> Hello :)
[08:33] <tucoz> But I always end up with 1024x768 mode
[08:33] <znh> tucoz: have you tried to change xorg.conf?
[08:33] <zimba> hello
[08:33] <linukso> levander: Sorry I dont know it, just found it when searching for id3tools
[08:33] <liran_> i've got a general linux question
[08:33] <tucoz> znh: Yes, numerous times.
[08:33] <znh> liran_: then you are in the right box
[08:33] <tucoz> But, I havent hit the spot yet
[08:33] <Davey> has *anyone* been successful in printing to a windows printer from linux? ever?
[08:33] <hybrid_goth> liran: then ask
[08:33] <liran_> znh: thanks :)
[08:33] <Davey> cause seriously, this is blowing really hard
[08:34] <liran_> here it goes
[08:34] <zimba> Davey: Yes, on my DeskJet 710C
[08:34] <Mikko> Linukso: ok, got error [username]  is not in the sudoers file.
[08:34] <znh> tucoz: have you tried to put 1280x960 as the first Mode for the default dept?
[08:34] <tucoz> no
[08:34] <hybrid_goth> Davey: whats a "windows printer"
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[08:35] <raven3x7> wtf
[08:35] <nadjyla> lol :)
[08:35] <liran_> kiddies...
[08:35] <Octane> so fucking lame
[08:35] <hybrid_goth> ty UdontKnow
[08:35] <TenPlus1> Could someone help me with a Firestarter problem ???
[08:35] <UdontKnow> hybrid_goth: np
[08:35] <hybrid_goth> Octane: i second that motion
[08:35] <zimba> hehe
[08:35] <liran_> spam bots... thats like... so 96` :)
[08:35] <raven3x7> crackpots
[08:35] <zimba> so true
[08:35] <hybrid_goth> heh
[08:35] <znh> I must say.. that was a good spam protection
[08:35] <hybrid_goth> sign ubuntu is getting popular :-p
[08:35] <levander> what's the point of spamming like that?
[08:36] <liran_> so anyway. i've now been given like 10 ips for a linux box im hosting. at first i had just one, and i got apache and proftpd runing on it.
[08:36] <UdontKnow> liran_: these guys couldnt read back in 96... kiddies
[08:36] <Mikko> How to edit sudoers file?
[08:36] <hybrid_goth> yea it is just a quick hit
[08:36] <zimba> writing Spam like this is so 1337
[08:36] <liran_> UdontKnow, heh yeah :)
[08:36] <linukso> levander: loosers with lots of time to waste :)
[08:36] <hybrid_goth> UdontKnow: heh
[08:36] <Madison> ya know, I dont think I'm clever enough for ubuntu
[08:36] <hybrid_goth> never could i
[08:36] <levander> linukso: apparently, i can't imagine why that's fun just to send a lot of random characters into a channel
[08:36] <hybrid_goth> Madison:  dont say that
[08:36] <levander> there's a preferred mpeg player for linux?
[08:36] <TenPlus1> I got everything working great in Ubuntu except my shared network connection
[08:36] <hybrid_goth> if you cant get help now maybe later someone can help you
[08:37] <liran_> so now i got more ips which i got `mounted` like eth0:1, eth0:2, etc... question is, how do i run different servers for different ips on the same box? (or do i run just one server, like proftpd, but configure it for multiple ips....)
[08:37] <hybrid_goth> levander:  mplayer The Movie Player for Linux
[08:37] <levander> hybrid_goth: what about that totem one I hear about, and gstreamer?
[08:37] <Madison> I cant find my slave drives, and I've just knackered the sources.list file, and it keeps saying I dont have the permission level to edit anything... I think its the most I've screwed up in one day ;)
[08:38] <levander> hybrid_goth: why's mplayer better?
[08:38] <hybrid_goth> levander:  totem is a gnome player
[08:38] <levander> hybrid_goth: so?
[08:38] <hybrid_goth> levander:  it can be command line and gui
[08:38] <Jemt> Greetings. I have just booted my brand new IBM X31 laptop based on Centrino Technology with the LiveCD. Everything seems to be working fine. But I'm wondering; Is there ANY chance, that Ubuntu could harm/damage my hardware? Ie by scaling the CPU badly or by bad battery management.
[08:38] <hybrid_goth> mplayer is flexible
[08:38] <levander> hybrid_goth: it's the only one like that?
[08:38] <mabu> I can't type <> in any program
[08:38] <hybrid_goth> and most players are based on it
[08:38] <linukso> levander: mplayer is the only one usable on cheezy hardware...
[08:38] <hybrid_goth> levander: afaik
[08:39] <hybrid_goth> mplayer is very flexible
[08:39] <levander> how's the mozilla plug-in work for mplayer?
[08:39] <linukso> levander: it works fine
[08:39] <hybrid_goth> Jemt:  not likely
[08:39] <nadjyla> Madison: edit the sources.list file with sudo: sudo gedit. For your slave drives, use qtparted
[08:39] <hybrid_goth> levander:  great
[08:39] <levander> okay, cool, guess i'll start with mplayer then, thanks guys
[08:39] <linukso> but gstreamer is the future, no doubt!
[08:39] <hybrid_goth> np
[08:39] <Jemt> hybrid_goth > Sounds great. But how can you know that ?
[08:39] <hybrid_goth> linukso:  why? i have never used it
[08:40] <levander> Uh-oh, no python bindings for mplayer, can't use it...
[08:40] <kozlyk> what is a good bit torrent client for ubuntu?
[08:40] <hybrid_goth> Jemt:  all it does is boot in ram and i have used the livecd on computer after computer
[08:40] <Jemt> Btw - do any of you know, how I disable my Wireless network card? (Centrino). In windows I can disable it using an IBM tool.
[08:40] <TenPlus1> Aureus
[08:40] <mabu> azureus
[08:40] <linukso> hybrid_goth: because of the flexible architecture of gstreamer compared to mplayer
[08:40] <TenPlus1> er... yeh
[08:40] <kozlyk> is that in apt-get?
[08:40] <hybrid_goth> kozlyk:  bittornado
[08:40] <Jemt> hybrid_goth > Oh. Well, I want to install it too :)
[08:40] <hybrid_goth> i like bittornado it is also gui and cli
[08:41] <hybrid_goth> Jemt: no worries
[08:41] <TenPlus1> could someone please help me with a firestarter issue ???
[08:41] <hybrid_goth> Jemt: dual boot or just ubuntu?
[08:41] <hybrid_goth> linukso:  why is it flexible?
[08:41] <Jemt> hybrid_goth: Dual. I'm developing in .NET so i can't get rid of Windows just yet :)
[08:41] <hybrid_goth> TenPlus1:  try #firestarter
[08:41] <hybrid_goth> Jemt:  gotmono.com
[08:42] <TenPlus1> thx hybrid...  didnt know they had their own room
[08:42] <Jemt> hybrid_goth > Hopefully MONO will become just as good as .Net in the future
[08:42] <Jemt> hybrid_goth, Yeah, I know :)
[08:42] <hybrid_goth> IMHO mono needs to be .Org
[08:42] <Jemt> oh :)
[08:42] <hybrid_goth> Jemt:  yea it isnt as compatiable
[08:42] <Jemt> Nope, not yet. But I find the project very interesting
[08:42] <Jemt> do any of you know, how I disable my Wireless network card? (Centrino). In windows I can disable it using an IBM tool.
[08:43] <linukso> hybrid_goth: have you heard or read anything about gstreamer?
[08:43] <Jemt> Disable = Turn it off
[08:43] <hybrid_goth> Jemt:  just another prove to show M$ services arent needed
[08:43] <Jemt> hybrid_goth > Heard ! :)
[08:43] <hybrid_goth> linukso:  never
[08:43] <hybrid_goth> Jemt:  you should be able
[08:43] <linukso> hybrid_goth: how is that possible :) ? Its all over the gnome desktop
[08:43] <hybrid_goth> Jemt:  the iwconfig tool would prolly do it
[08:44] <Jemt> hybrid_goth: Great. I'll check it out :)
[08:44] <hybrid_goth> linukso:  i use CLI and my fav GUI is xfce
[08:44] <hybrid_goth> Jemt:  have fun and best of luck
[08:44] <Jemt> hybrid_goth: Thank you - thanks alot :)
[08:44] <hybrid_goth> np anytime
[08:44] <Jemt> :)
[08:45] <hybrid_goth> always welcome in #ubuntu
[08:45] <TenPlus1> does anyone here share their internet with another computer, if so, how and what prog ???
[08:45] <hybrid_goth> is ubotu "official"?
[08:45] <hybrid_goth> TenPlus1:  err router?
[08:46] <macgyver2> TenPlus1: I just use a switch
[08:46] <TenPlus1> 2 wireless cards... ad-hoc mode...
[08:46] <TenPlus1> they both see one another and connect, just the internet sharing part that isnt working 100%
[08:46] <TenPlus1> dunno how... am using firestarter and cant get help anywhere
[08:47] <linukso> hybrid_goth: gsteamer is a very large and complicated framework build up of small tools... Hard to explain it all here..
[08:47] <Triffid_Hunter> TenPlus1: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o <internet interface> -j MASQUERADE <-- try that
[08:47] <hybrid_goth> linukso: ok
[08:47] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X!
[08:47] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: hey
[08:47] <Razor-X> did you check out flite/
[08:47] <hybrid_goth> not yet
[08:47] <Razor-X> s/\//?/
[08:48] <hybrid_goth> i had problems with the dualboot
[08:48] <JayParadise> does your hostname have to be an alias of localhost
[08:48] <hybrid_goth> do they have an OSX client
[08:48] <Razor-X> I went to a sleepover and ended up fixing an almost dead Windows Box
[08:48] <TenPlus1> Triffid, didnt work
[08:48] <Razor-X> 30 instances of Spyware in residual memory, 558 Spyware around the HDD, 200 viruses
[08:48] <Triffid_Hunter> TenPlus1: have you set your routes up properly?
[08:49] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X:  my sis has a comp like that that i keep as a project
[08:49] <hybrid_goth> just for fun
[08:49] <Razor-X> nad 5 instances of malware
[08:49] <JayParadise> does your hostname have to be an alias of localhost
[08:49] <Razor-X> hahh, yeah
[08:49] <Razor-X> I got it disinfected
[08:49] <JayParadise> if it got like that
[08:49] <JayParadise> it willl again
[08:49] <Razor-X> I put Spybot S&D, Adaware
[08:49] <Triffid_Hunter> TenPlus1: is the lan ip of your internet box the default gateway of the other boxes? have you given the other boxes your dns server addresses?
[08:49] <TenPlus1> Triffid:  the network has a static ip, and firestarter is sharing the internet for me... dunno whats up
[08:49] <hybrid_goth> if ubuntu supports her wireless usb drive ill install linux
[08:49] <Razor-X> then after that, I put on AVG
[08:49] <Razor-X> and then I updated Windows Update
[08:49] <Razor-X> and I put on PrevX
[08:49] <TenPlus1> 192.168.0.1  / 255.255.255.0
[08:49] <Razor-X> with PrevX, it's secure
[08:49] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X:  same here but i dont live with her so...
[08:49] <zyth> what is the heck is PrevX?
[08:49] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: I did it all one night ;)
[08:50] <majic> Razor-X, did it pass the WGA test?
[08:50] <Razor-X> zyth: I started using PrevX back when I saw an alpha a year-and-a-half ago
[08:50] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X:  i had the choice of fixing her comp or getting tiger on mine
[08:50] <Razor-X> majic: didn't have time enough
[08:50] <Razor-X> zyth: PrevX is an Intrusion Protection System
[08:50] <zyth> Oh
[08:50] <zyth> silly stuff
[08:50] <zyth> get a decent router w/ hardware firewall.
[08:50] <Razor-X> not silly, useful
[08:50] <hybrid_goth> isnt it related to tripwire?
[08:50] <Razor-X> zyth: and not that can't stop everything
[08:51] <linukso> PrevvX it a pimped up portmap and iptables :D
[08:51] <Razor-X> I know, because that's what I run on this network
[08:51] <majic> decklin, any new updates to aewm?
[08:51] <sijmen> How to find a package which provides a certain file?
[08:51] <Razor-X> linukso: yeah meh
[08:51] <JayParadise> when my friends saw my linux box and i did nothing at all complicated, but had to do a few things to fix something that screwed up they were all amazed and genuinly said i was a computer genious
[08:51] <Razor-X> sijmen: aptitute search
[08:51] <hybrid_goth> heh
[08:51] <TenPlus1> without buying a router, is there anyway to fix this problem (my one and only prob with ubuntu)
[08:51] <sijmen> Aptitude?
[08:51] <JayParadise> htere is no way im a comp genious, they just got so thrown off my the command line
[08:51] <Razor-X> sijmen: it's an alternative to apt-get
[08:51] <ADiGA> start
[08:51] <hybrid_goth> JayParadise:  my friend freaked out b/c i installed linux on my mac
[08:51] -KEraF:#ubuntu- ####$$$$irga3####$$$$%%%%####$$$$%%%%%%%%####$$$$%%%%####$$$$%%%%####$$$$####$$$$%%%%####$$$$%%%%%%%%####$$$$%%%%
[08:51] -IOI:#ubuntu- ####$$$$irga3####$$$$%%%%####$$$$%%%%%%%%####$$$$%%%%####$$$$%%%%####$$$$####$$$$%%%%####$$$$%%%%%%%%####$$$$%%%%
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[08:51] <Razor-X> you could also use ``apt-cache search''
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[08:51] <zyth> ooh floods
[08:51] <zyth> hehe
[08:52] <Razor-X> that was sad
[08:52] <Razor-X> ;)
[08:52] <hybrid_goth> dammit
[08:52] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X:  2nd time in an hour
[08:52] <znh> there are spambots messaging me
[08:52] <znh> !ops
[08:52] <ubotu> Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, fooishbar, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmich, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia!
[08:52] <occy> hmm
[08:52] <occy> wow
[08:52] <Amaranth> Err, they're all gone.
[08:53] <Amaranth> I can't do anything about spambots messaging yu.
[08:53] <occy> What is the thing to get the developer toolbar for firefox?
[08:53] <hondje> Better late than never ;-)
[08:53] <Razor-X> I was gonna get an iRiver 512 MB model
[08:53] <paulproteus> znh: Me, too.
[08:53] <znh> kinda anonying, they save the nicks from this channel after that they leave and message you
[08:53] <hybrid_goth> occy:  isnt it an extension?
[08:53] <occy> umm
[08:53] <occy> well
[08:53] <Razor-X> but, I decided that the Creative Zen micro gave you 1 GB for teh same price
[08:53] <Amaranth> just call out if they come back
[08:53] <occy> sorry, DOM inspector
[08:53] <Madison> since I've knackered this install completely... I'm gonna start afresh... with any luck I'll be back
[08:53] <linukso> Support iRiver, iRiver supports vorbis :)
[08:53] <Razor-X> only disadvantage is, that I don't think it plays OGG
[08:53] <znh> Amaranth: will do
[08:53] <occy> it's part of some developer stuff with firefox
[08:53] <Cody`> anyone help me with my mouse issue? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=53045
[08:54] <hybrid_goth> a friend of mine has sheilds so you cant msg him unless you are registred
[08:54] <Razor-X> linukso: so?
[08:54] <JayParadise> i thought Amaranth was their leader when he set +m
[08:54] <Razor-X> it supports _limited_ Vorbis, very limited
[08:54] <Amaranth> I can't do anything about them messaging you though, you just need to /ignore them and tell #freenode.
[08:54] <linukso> Razor-X: hmm, how is it limited?
[08:54] <Razor-X> 96 - 240 bitrates
[08:54] <Amaranth> JayParadise: haha
[08:54] <Razor-X> that's useless for podcast oggs
[08:54] <znh> hm I just noticed that my connection to irc is fast lol :-D
[08:54] <JayParadise> i was all wahts +m?
[08:54] <JayParadise> oh
[08:54] <Razor-X> or CD quality oggs
[08:54] <occy> mozilla-firefox-dom-inspector - tool for inspecting the DOM of pages in Mozilla Firefox
[08:54] <linukso> Razor-X: ah, okey... Thats not to bad.
[08:54] <Amaranth> hybrid_goth: /umode +E
[08:54] <sijmen> Razor-X, I can't really find out how to find the packages with aptitude.
[08:54] <sijmen> Any hints?
[08:54] <Amaranth> hybrid_goth: That's what he has.
[08:55] <linukso> Razor-X: but still, very few support ogg
[08:55] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X:  we putting our podcast in ogg?
[08:55] <Mez> root@apathy:/# e2fsck /dev/hdb6
[08:55] <Mez> e2fsck 1.35 (28-Feb-2004)
[08:55] <Mez> The filesystem size (according to the superblock) is 7867833 blocks
[08:55] <Mez> The physical size of the device is 5243206 blocks
[08:55] <Mez> Either the superblock or the partition table is likely to be corrupt!
[08:55] <Mez> Abort<y>? yes
[08:55] <Razor-X> sijmen: it's the exact same tihng in apt-cache
[08:55] <faen> sweet
[08:55] <Amaranth> I'd suggest all of you type /umode +CEi
[08:55] <Mez> anyone knowq how to fix that
[08:55] <hector_> apt-cache search
[08:55] <hybrid_goth> Amaranth:  idk never really cared ;P
[08:55] <faen> think I finally got most of the things set up as I like them
[08:55] <JayParadise> what is that?
[08:55] <Razor-X> Mez: it has something to do with cylinders, IIRC
[08:55] <Amaranth> Mez: make backups and hope for the best
[08:55] <Razor-X> it sohuldn't hurt that much
[08:56] <JayParadise> whats +CEi
[08:56] <sijmen> Razor-X, when I do aptitude search <filename> I get no results, while that file is on my system and should belogn to some package.
[08:56] <znh> yes, what's those modes?
[08:56] <Mez> Amaranth, It's just my "downloadS" partition
[08:56] <Razor-X> sijmen: you can't search in package
[08:56] <Razor-X> it has to be package name
[08:56] <Amaranth> JayParadise: It makes you invisible (/whois doesn't tell people what channels you're in), blocks CTCPs, and only allows registered nicks to PM you.
[08:56] <Razor-X> you can't download individual files either
[08:56] <linukso> apt-file can search for files in packages!
[08:57] <JayParadise> for the client or the server?
[08:57] <Webby`> can someone help me install a program on my comp?
[08:57] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X:  my ubuntu torrent will take as long as your Episode 3 torrent
[08:57] <Amaranth> apt-file is slow though, for obvious reasons
[08:57] <Razor-X> linukso: hmmm, then aptitude can too, somewhere
[08:57] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: that wasn't an Episode 3 torrent!
[08:57] <Razor-X> that was a _something_
[08:58] <Webby`> help!
[08:58] <hybrid_goth> the systm Episode 3
[08:58] <Razor-X> yeah, there we go
[08:58] <hybrid_goth> Webby`:  whats up?
[08:58] <hybrid_goth> lol
[08:58] <Razor-X> Webby`: shoot
[08:58] <linukso> Razor-X: no, I dont think so. Apt-file is individual package
[08:58] <sijmen> linukso, apt-file isn't available, and isn't a package ither.
[08:58] <Webby`> I need to install an audio codec on my comp and I have no idea what to do
[08:58] <Razor-X> sijmen: apt-file is a program
[08:58] <hybrid_goth> codec for....
[08:58] <linukso> apt-file - APT package searching utility -- command-line interface
[08:58] <Razor-X> Webby`: what codec?
[08:58] <Webby`> I extracted the file to my desktop already and am lost
[08:58] <sijmen> Huh?
[08:58] <sijmen> Then why can't apt-get find it?
[08:58] <sijmen> Oh, it's probably in universe or something
[08:58] <Razor-X> Amaranth: it was something, I tell you!
[08:59] <Webby`> realtek audio codec
[08:59] <Amaranth> Razor-X: haha
[08:59] <Razor-X> Systm Episode 3!
[08:59] <zyth> apt-get install apt-get
[08:59] <linukso> sijmen: mine do :)
[08:59] <Webby`> for hp a1020n
[08:59] <yyagol> #linuxdcpp
[08:59] <Amaranth> Btw, those bots flooded #python too, so don't feel too special. :)
[08:59] <Razor-X> Webby`: for what file?
[08:59] <JayParadise> alias get='apt-get install
[08:59] <hybrid_goth> Amaranth:  heh
[08:59] <Webby`> azx.tar.bz2
[08:59] <hybrid_goth> aliases pwn
[08:59] <Razor-X> I use aptitude, so that alias is stupid
[08:59] <JayParadise> yes they do
[08:59] <zyth> I didn't think people bothered to flood anymore
[08:59] <Razor-X> mmmm, hash is so much cooler ;)
[08:59] <JayParadise> http://jaypra.sytes.net/aliases.html
[08:59] <Razor-X> hash is like alias, but not ;)
[08:59] <Razor-X> and hashes can be used in functions too
[08:59] <JayParadise> those r my aliases as of like 2 weeks ago
[08:59] <Razor-X> oh wait, I don't think you have hashes in BASH
[08:59] <Razor-X> haha! XD
[09:00] <znh> whahaha http://www.a1sounddownload.com/sounddownloads/slap.wav this sound is so funny
[09:00] <linukso> Razor-X: do you use zsh?
[09:00] <sijmen> What's the deal with flooding, what's the fun of it?
[09:00] <JayParadise> i have a searchgrep function that combines find and grep
[09:00] <Razor-X> linukso: mhhmmm
[09:00] <Razor-X> well, aliases can be used in functions
[09:00] <Razor-X> but, aliases are parsed first and foremost
[09:00] <linukso> Razor-X: ah, great. You dont happend to use subversion to ?
[09:00] <benplaut> sijmen: it would appear so
[09:00] <Razor-X> sijmen: they're script kiddies
[09:00] <Razor-X> linukso: nopes
[09:00] <zyth> sijmen, wayy back in the old days of 14.4 dial up connections, it used to maybe do something
[09:01] <linukso> Razor-X: cause autocompletes don't work on ubuntus version of zsh...
[09:01] <hybrid_goth> sijmen:  they are 31337 thats what
[09:01] <sijmen> zyth, like?
[09:01] <Razor-X> linukso: yeah it does
[09:01] <sijmen> Ugh.
[09:01] <zyth> sijmen, cause someone's link to saturate, knocking em off irc or offline
[09:01] <sijmen> Shouldn't they be point&clicking in CS 1.6 or something?
[09:01] <Razor-X> linukso: you have read about ZSH, or did you set it up blindly? ;)
[09:01] <Razor-X> sijmen: no, that's too difficult
[09:02] <linukso> Razor-X: hmm, really? I am using the same .zshrc on both my ubuntu and gentoo box, but it only work on the gentoo box...
[09:02] <sijmen> I mean, with the proper aimbots and wallhacks.
[09:02] <Razor-X> linukso: odd
[09:02] <Vid21> has anyone here tried MSN Messenger 7 on Ubuntu under Wine?
[09:02] <hybrid_goth> PPL SEED PLZ
[09:02] <Mez> bbs
[09:02] <Razor-X> i'm just starting to make a .zshrc, as I go along
[09:02] <zyth> Vid21, why the hell?
[09:02] <Razor-X> linukso: also, I use zsh-beta
[09:02] <hybrid_goth> there is a whole 3 seeds on the hoary torrent
[09:02] <zyth> Mez, you're insane, have fun,
[09:02] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: congrats! XD
[09:02] <linukso> Razor-X: ahhh, that might be it... the gentoo version is newer :)
[09:03] <linukso> will try that
[09:03] <Razor-X> linukso: 's what I thought
[09:03] <benplaut> the one diff between skype 1.1 and 1.2: in 1.2 they advertise for their other services (skype in, voicemail, skype out) in a little popup menu :)
[09:03] <Vid21> zyth: well I tried using aMSN but people are addicted to their MSN crap
[09:03] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X:  3 f'n seeds
[09:03] <benplaut> Wid21: get better friends :)
[09:03] <hybrid_goth> and 1 doesnt work that great
[09:03] <Vid21> lol
[09:03] <Razor-X> Vid21: I have friends who use de facto AIM
[09:03] <zyth> Vid21, the only thing Gaim can't do is those dumb winks...
[09:03] <Razor-X> i vary between nAIM and TNT meself
[09:04] <Razor-X> I use command-line clients, most chat crap doesen't work
[09:04] <hybrid_goth> i hate IM
[09:04] <Razor-X> except, wait for it
[09:04] <Razor-X> CHATTING
[09:04] <hybrid_goth> spent too much time with Y!M
[09:04] <Razor-X> I mean, is that not what you do when you IM?
[09:04] <benplaut> anyone here have success getting group chat to work in GAIM? i just never seems to work
[09:04] <linukso> Razor-X: zsh-beta is on the way :D
[09:04] <Razor-X> instead of those stupid fscking emotes
[09:04] <Razor-X> linukso: cool
[09:04] <benplaut> i click the buttons, and nothing happens
[09:04] <Vid21> gaim can't do voice/video....  although I have seen the gaim-vv that appears to be stalled.
[09:04] <Razor-X> Vid21: Skype
[09:05] <linukso> gnomemeeting is the right way to go for voip
[09:05] <hybrid_goth> Skype pwns
[09:05] <zyth> I use a phone.
[09:05] <Razor-X> I used Skype back when Firefox wasn't Firefox
[09:05] <Razor-X> mmmm, in the days of Phoenix
[09:05] <Razor-X> i'm like ``Try Skype!!''
[09:05] <zyth> Razor-X, that was like, last year ;)
[09:05] <Razor-X> ``What the hell's that? I'm not trying that! I love my IE!!!''
[09:06] <flozza> Hey!
[09:06] <hybrid_goth> heh
[09:06] <Razor-X> and a year later, people remember, I set the damned trend
[09:06] <hybrid_goth> i used Mozilla Suite b4 Fx
[09:06] <flozza> I have a problem.
[09:06] <Razor-X> I predict that Opera will catch very soon
[09:06] <hybrid_goth> i still like the suite
[09:06] <Razor-X> and that, Kopete will suddenly start winning over gAIM
[09:06] <linukso> Razor-X: hmm, didn't help, there must be something wrong with .zshrc...
[09:06] <Razor-X> and that AbiWord will rise from the shadows
[09:06] <hybrid_goth> nah
[09:06] <Razor-X> linukso: you changed shells that fast?
[09:06] <hybrid_goth> OOo will take over
[09:06] <Razor-X> linukso: don't you need to restart for that?
[09:07] <znh> lol I hear farts when someone in chat says something
[09:07] <benplaut> oh, Abiword hasnt?!
[09:07] <Razor-X> i'm a LaTeX person
[09:07] <Razor-X> linukso: err, relogin
[09:07] <Razor-X> LaTeX will never catch on with the average user, because the average user doesen't like to read XD
[09:07] <linukso> Razor-X: after removing the old and starting up an new term, shouldn't the new shell be in place
[09:07] <Razor-X> linukso: check with print $ZSH_VERSION
[09:15] <linukso> zsh 4.2.1-dev-1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu)
[09:15] <Razor-X> as long as we're in the same environment ;)
[09:15] <benplaut> on laptop and on zaurus :D
[09:15] <hybrid_goth> lol
[09:15] <Razor-X> linukso: hmmmm
[09:15] <Razor-X> lemme show you my setopts from my .zshrc
[09:15] <linukso> Guess I just have to start from scratc with my .zshrc
[09:15] <Razor-X> I setopt AUTO_CD, MULTIOS, EXTENDED_GLOB, and CORRECT
[09:15] <leroj> woah
[09:15] <leroj> i lvoe you man
[09:15] <Razor-X> I have a few directory hashes
[09:15] <OdiiiN> k3b can split the dvd images that it do?
[09:15] <benplaut> haven't figured out how to do highlited/italic yet
[09:15] <Razor-X> I have a little Term case thingy, to reflect my SHLVL stuff in mp PS1
[09:15] <Razor-X> basic history stuff
[09:15] <Razor-X> and some envars
[09:15] <Razor-X> s/mp/my/
[09:15] <linukso> okey...
[09:15] <Razor-X> that's pretty much my .zshrc ;)
[09:15] <Razor-X> and, I still am on Chapter 2
[09:15] <Razor-X> err, 3
[09:15] <hybrid_goth> wo0t 4 seeds
[09:15] <Razor-X> ;)
[09:15] <linukso> hehe, you are heading for the perfect shell :)
[09:15] <Razor-X> linukso: of course
[09:15] <Razor-X> i'm reading a 7 chapter guide on zsh
[09:15] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: ewww!
[09:15] <Razor-X> zsh is a supershell of ksh
[09:15] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X:  why?
[09:15] <hybrid_goth> ah
[09:15] <Razor-X> everything on my box has to be perfect
[09:15] <Razor-X> mmmm
[09:15] <Razor-X> I have a hash to bashpodder ;)
[09:15] <Razor-X> and a directory hash to the bashpodder directory, since I use it so much
[09:15] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X:  you never said wether flint worked on OSX
[09:15] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: not sure
[09:15] <Razor-X> I was helping out a Windows box
[09:15] <hybrid_goth> ok
[09:15] <hybrid_goth> ill try it when i get ubuntu
[09:17] <Kyozabe> hi
[09:17] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X:  got diggnation 5
[09:17] <znh> hi Kyozabe
[09:17] <Kyozabe> I, uh, could use a bit of help
[09:17] <hybrid_goth> Kyozabe:  then go ahead and ask ;-)
[09:18] <Kyozabe> I installed Ubuntu on my laptop
[09:18] <Kyozabe> Then realized that I gave it a bit too much space on my HDD
[09:18] <Kyozabe> But when I tried to resize it in PartitionMagic... Yeah, didn't happen
[09:18] <D1> oh bummer.
[09:18] <D1> I was gonna suggest gparted
[09:18] <Razor-X> Kyozabe: try QTParted, but, this is one of those mistakes which you're probably gonna live with
[09:18] <D1> but if partition magic doesn't work...
[09:18] <Kyozabe> So I deleted the partition containing Ubuntu
[09:18] <hybrid_goth> lol
[09:18] <Razor-X> is there a reason everyone suggests gparted?
[09:18] <Razor-X> Kyozabe: wow, you like Windows that much?
[09:18] <hybrid_goth> prolly gui
[09:18] <D1> its the only tool that exists for tha tkind of thing
[09:18] <hybrid_goth> i like parted
[09:19] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: qtparted is a much better gui
[09:19] <Kyozabe> And now when I try to boot Windows, it gives me Error 22 in Grub
[09:19] <Razor-X> D1: almost everyone says qtparted is better, qtparted is meant to be a PMagic clone
[09:19] <LasseL> Kyozabe, get a windows bootdisk "fdisk /mbr"
[09:19] <Kyozabe> Yes, Razor. Windows forever. <.<
[09:19] <Razor-X> but, nobody reccomends it, because it has the hated letters ``qt'' ;)
[09:19] <nadjyla> lol:)
[09:19] <D1> well, some people might not have qt installed.
[09:19] <Razor-X> Kyozabe: haha, ok, Windows gives me headaches
[09:19] <Kyozabe> Bootdisk?
[09:19] <windex|tvnsleep> Kyozabe: you need to get into XP recovery mode and run fixmbr. DO NOT LISTEN TO FDISK /MBR ADVICE, IT DOES NOT WORK IN XP. :)
[09:19] <Kyozabe> Like a floppy?
[09:19] <D1> and its based on libparted just as gparted is
[09:19] <Razor-X> DOS/Windows bootdisk, type in ``fdisk /mbr''
[09:19] <Razor-X> windex|tvnsleep: it worked in my XP
[09:20] <Kyozabe> :S
[09:20] <windex|tvnsleep> Razor-X: it only works on fat32 disks.
[09:20] <Razor-X> D1: but the interface is much better
[09:20] <windex|tvnsleep> Razor-X: and microsoft _still_ says not to do it.
[09:20] <Razor-X> windex|tvnsleep: not if the Windows boot disk has NTFS support
[09:20] <Razor-X> ;)
[09:20] <hybrid_goth> who listens to M$
[09:20] <windex|tvnsleep> Kyozabe: all you need to do is boot off your XP install cd and enter the recovery console, then run fixmbr
[09:20] <Razor-X> D1: I don't have GTK, or I didn't
[09:20] <Kyozabe> :S
[09:21] <hybrid_goth> sony said dont use japanse firmware for psp but everyone did
[09:21] <Kyozabe> I lost it.
[09:21] <windex|tvnsleep> hybrid_goth: im a microsoft partner... not because i want to be...
[09:21] <windex|tvnsleep> Kyozabe: you lost your windows disk?
[09:21] <Kyozabe> Yeah.
[09:21] <windex|tvnsleep> um.
[09:21] <nadjyla> if you had one ...
[09:21] <Kyozabe> Couldn't find it last night when I searched
[09:21] <hybrid_goth> windex|tvnsleep: heh. could be worse could be an ESRB partner
[09:21] <windex|tvnsleep> well, to do anything with windows, you need a windows install disk.
[09:21] <hybrid_goth> Kyozabe:  there is a boot disc site i think it is boot-disc.org or something
[09:21] <Kyozabe> A friend told me running the Ubuntu Live CD like I am right now could fix it
[09:22] <Kyozabe> That there was a recovery option or some crap.
[09:22] <windex|tvnsleep> Kyozabe: grub broke because grub runs code off the linux partition. always restore MBR before nuking linux install. :/
[09:22] <windex|tvnsleep> you can reinstall ubuntu
[09:22] <windex|tvnsleep> onto the old partition
[09:22] <Kyozabe> I can't.
[09:22] <Kyozabe> I mean
[09:22] <windex|tvnsleep> why?
[09:22] <Kyozabe> I deleted it, resized C to fill the HDD
[09:22] <windex|tvnsleep> um.
[09:23] <Kyozabe> I haven't rebooted my laptop in about a week.
[09:23] <LokeDK> If I enable WEP in my router (which is probably a good idea), where do I put the key then?
[09:23] <Kyozabe> So this crap happens last night, and ugh
[09:24] <windex|tvnsleep> the only solution i can think of, Kyozabe, is to boot XP into recovery mode off the CD and run fixmbr from the recovery console. if you google for xp recovery console, it'll tell you how to get there. see if you can find a, uh, borrowed, xp cd.
[09:24] <Kyozabe> ._.
[09:24] <Kyozabe> I've already "borrowed" two XP disks, because HP is so God damn lame
[09:25] <windex|tvnsleep> Kyozabe: dissapointment resulting from choice in vendor is not our fault :D
[09:25] <Kyozabe> Wasn't my choice.
[09:25] <Kyozabe> Came home from school one day years ago to find an HP PC in the living room.
[09:25] <windex|tvnsleep> ah.
[09:25] <Kyozabe> Hey, I went from 95 to XP that day, couldn't complain
[09:25] <windex|tvnsleep> well you could always nuke windows entirely!
[09:25] <windex|tvnsleep> :)
[09:26] <tucoz> znh, hi again. It didn't work. But I found a guide to install the latest ati drivers. I only have to install the correct kernel-headers first. How do I do this?
[09:26] <Kyozabe> I was burning Seinfeld episodes. And Nero Recode, uh, froze.
[09:26] <windex|tvnsleep> Kyozabe: see if you can find an XP cd from someone, then get into the recovery console and fixmbr. your problem will be solved if you do that.
[09:26] <tucoz> uname -r -> 2.6.10-5-386
[09:28] <ubuntu> j #curitiba
[09:28] <tucoz> synaptic shows 2.5.999-test7-bk-17
[09:28] <ubuntu> j #guarapuava
[09:28] <Kyozabe> So it has to be a full XP CD? Can I use one from BootDisk.com?
[09:28] <windex|tvnsleep> ubuntu: prefix j with a / :D
[09:28] <windex|tvnsleep> Kyozabe: you need whatever loads the recovery console.
[09:28] <ubuntu> sorry, tnx
[09:29] <Catdaemon`> Hi, im trying to uninstall xserver ( or whatever its called, noob here! :D ), but the commands my friend gave me dont work
[09:29] <windex|tvnsleep> im taking my dog outside. :) afk.
[09:29] <Catdaemon`> how do i do it? :/
[09:30] <JayParadise> has anyone got the error mount point "none" does not exist?
[09:30] <Christin> I need some help, I can't get DVDs to play on my machine.
[09:30] <JayParadise> when trying to mount swap partition
[09:30] <nadjyla> Christin : dma if it s slow: libcss to play dvd
[09:31] <Christin> nadjyla: How do I get libcss installed?
[09:32] <Catdaemon`> Christin: maybe apt-get ?
[09:32] <benplaut> !info libcss
[09:32] <JayParadise> thought it was libdvdcss
[09:32] <nadjyla> yes
[09:32] <benplaut> yeah, that's it
[09:32] <benplaut> !info libdvdcss
[09:32] <benplaut> nope
[09:32] <hybrid_goth> libdvdcss2
[09:32] <benplaut> !info libdvdcss2
[09:33] <benplaut> i'm getting a nope
[09:33] <Christin> There's no css anything in Synaptic, as far as I can see.....
[09:33] <JayParadise> the reason you have to worry about it is cus the people who found out how to burn dvds did it on linux
[09:33] <JayParadise> i thnk
[09:33] <benplaut> !info libdvd*
[09:33] <Razor-X> Christin: have you added universe and multiverse?
[09:33] <hybrid_goth> its a lib
[09:33] <benplaut> come on, ubotu... take wildcards!
[09:33] <Catdaemon`> Hi, im trying to uninstall xserver ( or whatever its called, noob here! :D ), but the commands my friend gave me dont work
[09:34] <Christin> I've added universe, but not multiverse. Is it a multiverse one then, I take it?
[09:34] <zimba> hia
[09:34] <hybrid_goth> lol
[09:34] <Raptoid> selamlar..
[09:34] <JayParadise> ok im fixing my http problem, i think its a dns problem now
[09:34] <benplaut> Catdaemon`: uninstall, or reconfigure?
[09:34] <hybrid_goth> why unistall xserver?
[09:34] <tucoz> !info universe
[09:34] <Kyozabe> Well, thanks for the help, I
[09:34] <JayParadise> can someone tellm e the ip of google.com or something
[09:34] <Kyozabe> I'll go get that CD
[09:34] <Catdaemon`> hybrid_goth: because i dont want a GUI..
[09:34] <JayParadise> host google.com
[09:34] <JayParadise> type that and give it to me please
[09:34] <linukso> 216.239.57.99
[09:34] <JayParadise> thanks
[09:34] <benplaut> Catdaemon`: i recommend you start again from scratch, but using the boot command: server
[09:35] <hybrid_goth> Catdaemon`: dont be so sure
[09:35] <hybrid_goth> i am a cli zealot
[09:35] <JayParadise> what do you know it works
[09:35] <benplaut> if you're a newbie, why no gui?
[09:35] <JayParadise> hm
[09:35] <zimba> Catdaemon`: how do you expect working only with the console if you don't even know that command ?
[09:35] <hybrid_goth> but i still use gui
[09:35] <Catdaemon`> well
[09:35] <JayParadise> so dns works for about 10 minutes after renwing a lease
[09:35] <Catdaemon`> i never use the gui
[09:35] <hybrid_goth> no gui = no movies no pR0n
[09:35] <Catdaemon`> i allways use ssl
[09:35] <Catdaemon`> er
[09:35] <Catdaemon`> ssh
[09:35] <hybrid_goth> zimba has a point
[09:35] <ccesario> hey... somebody with keyboard (BR ABNT2) problem in breezy?!
[09:36] <plovs> anybody having this problem: Error loading new keyboard description?
[09:36] <deprave> dfkl;jasdkl;fj
[09:36] <plovs> command: setxkbmap -model pc104 -layout us
[09:36] <benplaut> hmm....
[09:37] <benplaut> it's not something that we'd usually give out directions for...
[09:37] <shellhack> hello I need help
[09:37] <hybrid_goth> Catdaemon`:  if you want to use CLI just change the runlevel
[09:37] <shellhack> I want to know where I can find server for to play castle-combat
[09:37] <hybrid_goth> then just in case you can startx
[09:37] <benplaut> usually only reall advanced users are CLI only
[09:38] <plovs> ctrl-alt-F1 also stopped working???
[09:38] <Mez> sorry, someone said something as I left earlier ?
[09:38] <Mez> I think it was about me being insane to install breezy
[09:39] <shellhack> I need information about castle-combat servers
[09:39] <hybrid_goth> Mez: hrh
[09:39] <zimba> where can I get some doc about the different keyboard and charmap layers ?
[09:39] <hybrid_goth> **heh
[09:39] <hybrid_goth> Catdaemon`:  i suggest changing the run level to 2 and leaving the X
[09:39] <Mez> grr
[09:40] <Catdaemon`> hybrid_goth: openssh dosent work on runlevel 2 :/
[09:40] <Catdaemon`> wont let me login
[09:40] <hybrid_goth> then put it on runlevel 1
[09:41] <Mez> ah
[09:41] <shellhack> hey I wanna play castle-combat
[09:41] <hybrid_goth> lol
[09:41] <shellhack> someone help me
[09:41] <hybrid_goth> OK WE HEARD shellhack
[09:41] <hybrid_goth> if anyone knows they will!
[09:41] <Mez> hybrid_goth, CoC
[09:42] <shellhack> hybrid_goth: what you know about castle-combat
[09:42] <hybrid_goth> nothing
[09:43] <hybrid_goth> but if someone knows they will get with you
[09:43] <JayParadise> and now dns works now i gotta figure out that command that odesnt allow anything to update a file
[09:43] <hybrid_goth> and please if your question hasnt even scrolled off the screen dont ask again
[09:43] <hybrid_goth> thank you
[09:43] <sexcopter8000m> hi, is there software out there to drive my hauppauge tv tuner? it's usb btw.
[09:44] <hybrid_goth> sexcopter8000m: what do you wish to do with it? i was about to suggest mythtv
[09:44] <sexcopter8000m> just watch tv, i guess
[09:44] <matimbu> I'm trying to recomplile my kernel on Hoary, but after a recompile, I get: "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0)" is there something I'm missing?
[09:45] <hybrid_goth> no recording?
[09:45] <hybrid_goth> no tivo features?
[09:45] <sexcopter8000m> well, recording eventually
[09:45] <sexcopter8000m> tivo = ?
[09:46] <fang77> Hello everybody
[09:46] <ray_> hello
[09:46] <hybrid_goth> sexcopter8000m:  with mythtv you can do the same things as a VCR or Tivo from your desktop
[09:46] <hybrid_goth> i.e. pause record
[09:47] <fang77> Anyone had a good experience with Nvu?
[09:47] <DeltaS4> how do I configure adsl modem ?
[09:47] <sexcopter8000m> ok cool, sounds similar to the windows software then
[09:47] <kyncani> matimbu: it means your kernel does not have built-in feature for your root= filesystem type
[09:47] <sexcopter8000m> but what's Tivo?
[09:47] <kyncani> matimbu: (i think)
[09:47] <hybrid_goth> sexcopter8000m:  it is like a digital VCR pause tv fastforward rewind
[09:48] <matimbu> kyncani: I doubt it... I compiled in (not modules) ext2 & ext3 (root is ext3)
[09:48] <hybrid_goth> record
[09:48] <hybrid_goth> to an HDD
[09:48] <sexcopter8000m> ok, cool
[09:48] <kyncani> matimbu: no initrd ?
[09:48] <sexcopter8000m> gonna get it now, thanks :)
[09:48] <DeltaS4> how do I configure my adsl modem on ubuntu?
[09:48] <sexcopter8000m> holy crap there's loadsa packages to get with it
[09:48] <hybrid_goth> np
[09:48] <sexcopter8000m> 22meg to download, 44 meg hdd space :s
[09:49] <hybrid_goth> DeltaS4: hardware?
[09:49] <nmsa> DeltaS4: did you install ppp packages ?
[09:49] <shellhack> DeltaS4: write network-admin in console
[09:49] <hybrid_goth> sexcopter8000m:  yup and loads of plugins
[09:49] <DeltaS4> the hardware is detected, just need to connect to the internet
[09:49] <matimbu> kyncani: initrd... I may have missed that... is it under filesystems?
[09:49] <shellhack> DeltaS4: write network-admin
[09:50] <Catdaemon`> when i installed ubuntu it didnt ask me for a root password, is there a deafult one? :|
[09:50] <kyncani> matimbu: don't remember exactly, think so (cramfs or smthing)
[09:50] <hybrid_goth> DeltaS4:  man wvdail
[09:50] <shellhack> DeltalS4: a window will appear
[09:50] <matimbu> kyncani: oh, yeah.. cramfs is in there too
[09:50] <DeltaS4> *dial ?
[09:50] <hybrid_goth> Catdaemon`: use sudo
[09:50] <nadjyla> Catdaemon: not default one
[09:50] <HiddenWolf> Catdaemon`: there isn't, ubuntu uses sudo
[09:50] <hybrid_goth> like it said
[09:50] <hybrid_goth> !root
[09:50] <ubotu> I guess root is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:51] <nmsa> top
[09:51] <kyncani> matimbu: well, don't know then, sry
[09:51] <hybrid_goth> DeltaS4:  yea
[09:51] <sexcopter8000m> brb
[09:52] <Apollyon_antichr> hi ^^
[09:53] <Apollyon_antichr> how do i configure adsl conection?
[09:53] <hybrid_goth> !asdl
[09:53] <ubotu> hybrid_goth: No idea
[09:53] <hybrid_goth> worth a shot
[09:53] <HiddenWolf> Apollyon_antichr: you're probably looking at a ppp connection
[09:53] <shellhack> Catdaemon: write sudo passwd root
[09:53] <kyncani> Apollyon_antichr: what kind of modem ?
[09:53] <Apollyon_antichr> ya
[09:54] <HiddenWolf> Catdaemon`: don't set root, you don't need it
[09:54] <ryan_> How do i find out my ip in terminal?
[09:54] <HiddenWolf> Apollyon_antichr: use pppoeconf
[09:54] <matimbu> kyncani: oh duh... found it. I accidentally left out initial ram disk support
[09:54] <Apollyon_antichr> the modem and eth are configured
[09:54] <Apollyon_antichr> i just need configure the adsl
[09:54] <shellhack> Catdaemon: when you do that the root password will be set
[09:54] <kyncani> matimbu: ;)
[09:54] <hybrid_goth> anyone here use edubuntu?
[09:54] <Catdaemon`> HiddenWolf: sudo `init 3` dosent work without root?
[09:54] <Catdaemon`> er
[09:54] <Christin> I'm trying to get dma setup on my box, but it says "hdio_set_dma failed: operation not permitted". What should I do?
[09:54] <Catdaemon`> init 3
[09:54] <Catdaemon`> because sudo wont work with it
[09:54] <ryan_> How do i find out my ip in terminal? for adding it as a network place on another machine?
[09:55] <HiddenWolf> Catdaemon`: right, weird
[09:55] <HiddenWolf> hybrid_goth: I don't think so. If you've got a problem with it, try asking ogra
[09:55] <shellhack> Catdaemon: sudo passwd root
[09:55] <hybrid_goth> HiddenWolf:  nah just thought about trying it out
[09:56] <Catdaemon`> hm
[09:56] <Catdaemon`> that worked shellhack
[09:56] <sexcopter8000m> hybrid_goth !asdl <--- maybe !adsl would work better.. =p
[09:56] <hybrid_goth> !adsl
[09:56] <ubotu> hybrid_goth: I don't know, could you explain it?
[09:56] <HiddenWolf> Christin: dma is troublesome, you might have to google a bit about dma in relation to your hardware
[09:56] <sexcopter8000m> aww
[09:56] <hybrid_goth> nope
[09:56] <sexcopter8000m> worth a shot =p
[09:56] <hybrid_goth> lol
[09:56] <Apollyon_antichr> !adsl doesnt work
[09:56] <ubotu> Apollyon_antichr: Are you smoking crack?
[09:56] <HiddenWolf> He is. ;)
[09:57] <shellhack> Catdaemon: ok
[09:57] <HiddenWolf> hybrid_goth: They probably have a website/mailing list
[09:57] <nmsa> how do you use a video capture card ? I have a SAA7130 Video Broadcast Decoder, woder what sw to use ?!
[09:57] <hybrid_goth> is there a Xubuntu yet?
[09:57] <HiddenWolf> hybrid_goth: #edubuntu
[09:57] <kyncani> Apollyon_antichr: i did not understand your previous post, eth is configured and working between your box and the ethernet modem, and the modem is configured and working, but adsl does not work ?
[09:57] <hybrid_goth> HiddenWolf:  ok
[09:57] <hajiki> do backports get security updates?
[09:58] <HiddenWolf> hajiki: they might, or might not
[09:58] <Apollyon_antichr> how do i configure adsl conection?
[09:58] <hajiki> oh i see
[09:58] <HiddenWolf> hajiki: unless you've got something you *need* it's best to avoid backports
[09:58] <HiddenWolf> Apollyon_antichr: I told you, pppoeconf
[09:59] <Apollyon_antichr> thx
[09:59] <Apollyon_antichr> thx a lot, it worked
[09:59] <Apollyon_antichr> ^^
[10:00] <HiddenWolf> hybrid_goth: there is ubuntu-lite, but it's not official yet - I've just set up an ubuntu 'server' install and put xfce4 on it. Super-snappy on a 300mhz 60mb ram laptop
[10:00] <hybrid_goth> HiddenWolf:  yea i like xfce
[10:00] <kyncani> 60mb ram ? man, that's little ram ;)
[10:01] <ryan_>  Dont know if anyone can help, But im trying to add my ubuntu machine to my windows machines  shared folder ( as in the shared folders on my ubuntu machine show up on the windows machine). I got it to work the other way around but on the dows machine when i put the IP in it says it doesnt exist
[10:01] <HiddenWolf> kyncani: a '99 laptop, owned by my atechnical blonde roommate. :P
[10:01] <HiddenWolf> kyncani: I've got 1gb myself. ;)
[10:02] <bofhelix> whoops, lost my connection.. did you guys see my question?
[10:02] <HiddenWolf> kyncani: I never get over 300mb ram used tho.
[10:02] <bofhelix> <- equex
[10:02] <HiddenWolf> bofhelix: channel is way too busy to read back. ;)
[10:03] <bofhelix> oh no :( was a long question.. about the blank monitor and xorg.conf
[10:04] <HiddenWolf> bofhelix: what time did you ask?
[10:04] <bofhelix> maybe i pinged out before it got trough.
[10:04] <bofhelix> i will try again.
[10:04] <sexcopter8000m> hybrid_goth, not sure what i'm doing here. it said something about logging in as mythtv and running mythtv-setup, but can't seem to log in as mythtv
[10:05] <stjepan> hello
[10:05] <hybrid_goth> sexcopter8000m: going to use that box for just mythtv? or maybe mythv and some web surfing?
[10:05] <stjepan> what is difference between ubuntu and kubuntu?
[10:05] <kyncani> bofhelix: methinks xorg problem is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:05] <levander> There's a simple mpeg re-encode, like tmpgenc's 'simple mux' on windows?
[10:05] <sexcopter8000m> erm, i don't follow. i have a usb tuner card and i wanna just use it... :s
[10:05] <hybrid_goth> stjepan: kde vs gnome
[10:05] <levander> mpeg re-enccder utility
[10:05] <bofhelix> kyncani: you mean i should not have done that ?
[10:06] <HiddenWolf> stjepan: kubuntu uses kde instead of gnome
[10:06] <stjepan> hybrid_goth: and that is all?
[10:06] <hybrid_goth> sexcopter8000m:  do you want to use that computer as more then mythv?
[10:06] <HiddenWolf> stjepan: that's 99% of it.
[10:06] <stjepan> HiddenWolf: has Kubuntu users-admin
[10:06] <hybrid_goth> stjepan:  kubuntu is kde ubuntu is gnome
[10:06] <kyncani> bofhelix: hmm, i mean you should try that first. But looks like you already did :)
[10:06] <stjepan> and network-admin
[10:06] <stjepan> etc
[10:06] <stjepan> yeah
[10:06] <sexcopter8000m> yes, this is my pc for everything!
[10:06] <HiddenWolf> hybrid_goth: I doubt they have it all, but they'll have alternatives
[10:06] <stjepan> but has kubuntu that?
[10:07] <sexcopter8000m> i've found the webby for it
[10:07] <stjepan> *-admin?
[10:07] <stjepan> no?
[10:07] <bofhelix> kyncani: yes i did, and the weird thing is that X and KDE is loading, but the screen is blank (and monitor goes into stand by)
[10:07] <hybrid_goth> HiddenWolf:   ?huh?
[10:07] <HiddenWolf> stjepan: you can always install both ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop on one system.
[10:07] <hybrid_goth> sexcopter8000m:  idk i dont use mythtv
[10:07] <hybrid_goth> sexcopter8000m:  try #mythtv
[10:07] <kyncani> bofhelix: i'm sorry, i have no idea what went wrong then
[10:07] <ryan_>  Dont know if anyone can help, But im trying to add my ubuntu machine to my windows machines  shared folder ( as in the shared folders on my ubuntu machine show up on the windows machine). I got it to work the other way around but on the dows machine when i put the IP in it says it doesnt exist
[10:08] <sexcopter8000m> ok, thanks hybrid_goth
[10:08] <hybrid_goth> np
[10:10] <arbir> hello all
[10:10] <hybrid_goth> hiya
[10:10] <arbir> where is the mysql's socket file ?
[10:13] <kyncani> arbir: don't know about mysql specifically, but if you get mysql's pid, in /proc/mysqlpid/fd/ you will see symlinks to mysql's opened files
[10:13] <arbir> letme check that kyncani
[10:13] <norris> anyone know when kde 3.4.2 will be on ubuntu's repositories?
[10:13] <hybrid_goth> prolly in oct
[10:13] <hybrid_goth> when breezy comes out
[10:13] <arbir> no i dont see any
[10:14] <arbir> which means, mysql is not opening a socket
[10:14] <hybrid_goth> maybe in backports sometime before then
[10:14] <norris> that's what i figured, i know it's available in a kubuntu repo
[10:14] <kyncani> arbir: if its a network socket (as opposed to a unix socket), you can see it with lsof -i
[10:15] <hybrid_goth> norris: to be sure ask a MOTU
[10:15] <arbir> just runs let me try that kyncani
[10:15] <rgould> How do I install support for other unicode characters? I am trying to get Tibetan script to display in Firefox.
[10:15] <arbir> opps sorry.... typo
[10:15] <norris> MOTU? who is that hybrid_goth?
[10:15] <Mez> whee :D
[10:15] <Mez> !MOTU
[10:15] <hybrid_goth> masters of the univers
[10:15] <ubotu> motu are the Masters of the Universe (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU)
[10:15] <hybrid_goth> !motu
[10:15] <ubotu> motu are the Masters of the Universe (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU)
[10:16] <hybrid_goth> Mez:  heh
[10:16] <hybrid_goth> make sure you go there twice
[10:16] <hybrid_goth> lol
[10:16] <hybrid_goth> irssi is the BEST
[10:16] <Mez> lol... I love the fact that I can just chroot to my hoary install :d
[10:16] <norris> cool (and fully appropriate) name that, MOTU
[10:16] <hybrid_goth> lol
[10:16] <arbir> what does lsof do actually?
[10:16] <hybrid_goth> Mez:  i wanna learn how to chroot
[10:17] <Mez> norris, hence my blog entry "you can call me adam"
[10:17] <Mez> hybrid_goth: it's easy really
[10:17] <hybrid_goth> Me do a /join and to go there hold alt #
[10:17] <kyncani> arbir: list opened files, -i lists opened sockets
[10:17] <Mez> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChrootHowto I think
[10:17] <arbir> oh
[10:17] <arbir> kyncani: i see mysql there
[10:19] <hybrid_goth> Mez:  when in irssi and channel 2 is ubuntu and channel 3 in -nun and 4 is -motu to go to motu hold alt and press 4
[10:19] <hybrid_goth> etc
[10:19] <hybrid_goth> alt+2 for ubuntu
[10:19] <kyncani> arbir: there you go, it's not a unix-domain socket then i think, but a network socket
[10:21] <klaym> alt + F4 would close mIRC, right? ;)
[10:21] <arbir> kyncani: i am not able to connect with my phpmyadmin
[10:21] <Mez> stupid annoying thing
[10:21] <arbir> kyncani: it keeps giving me an error
[10:21] <paulproteus> klaym: The power button closes mIRC fine, too.
[10:21] <nadjyla> lol :)
[10:21] <arbir> kyncani:  #1130 - #HY000Host 'localhost.localdomain' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server
[10:21] <hoderaz> i'm a problem : the console is blocked here : updating fontconfig cache
[10:21] <Mez> for some reason, instead of staying to the 10 Gb Partition I gave breezy, it decided to use all the unused space on my drive
[10:21] <kyncani> arbir: i can't help you there, i have absolutely no experience with mysql and/or phpmyadmin
[10:21] <klaym> I use xchat and it's fine. I think Irssi is a bit elitist
[10:21] <arbir> thanks kyncani
[10:21] <hybrid_goth> lol
[10:21] <paulproteus> arbir: What error?
[10:22] <paulproteus> Be sure you can connect using mysql (the command-line program) using the same host name, username, and password
[10:22] <paulproteus> .
[10:22] <Mez> irssi is elitist... I like my xchat (/me misses it)
[10:22] <hoderaz> how long does make the "updating fontconfig cache" ?
[10:22] <arbir> paulproteus: #1130 - #HY000Host 'localhost.localdomain' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server
[10:22] <paulproteus> arbir: You should use localhost, not 127.0.0.1
[10:22] <jorgp3> hgh
[10:23] <hybrid_goth> irssi is awesome i cant see how yall dont like it
[10:23] <kyncani> hoderaz: you're not using breezy are you ?
[10:23] <arbir> paulproteus: my webserver and mysql serve are on the same machine
[10:23] <paulproteus> arbir: And the MySQL socket - cd /var | grep mysql sock
[10:23] <paulproteus> arbir: I know.
[10:23] <hoderaz> 5.04
[10:23] <hoderaz> hoary
[10:23] <hybrid_goth> that was reduant
[10:23] <arbir> paulproteus: i was not able to find the socket file's location
[10:23] <arbir> let msee
[10:23] <hoderaz> the cpu is at 100% but le hd doesn't work
[10:23] <paulproteus> /var/run/mysql.sock or somesuch
[10:24] <hoderaz> kyncani can you help me ?
[10:25] <arbir> paulproteus: i dont see the socket file
[10:25] <kyncani> hoderaz: no, i was thinking about an issue about fontconfig in breezy (and breezy is hell right now i think)
[10:25] <hoderaz> i don't know why, but the cpu is at 100%, and i've just "Updating fontconfig cache..."
[10:26] <arbir> paulproteus: got in
[10:27] <Cin> anyone know how to config an nvidia gfx card for 3D acceleration...? --can't find much for linux beginners on the forum.
[10:27] <arbir> paulproteus: somehow i am not able to see the sockets
[10:27] <arbir> just tcp
[10:28] <kyncani> Cin: you'll find instructions to set up nvidia in the ubuntuguide i think
[10:29] <ElVirolo> hi all
[10:29] <Cin> oki i'll try thanks
[10:30] <xkuseme> anybody here using reiserfs?
[10:30] <hoderaz> how many time does the "updating fontconfig cache..." make ?
[10:30] <ElVirolo> i recently reinstalled windows xp, which overwrote my previous MBR to install its bootloader ... is there a way to reinstall GRUB ? (the rescue mode of the ubuntu CD doesn't seem to be of any help) ?
[10:31] <kyncani> ElVirolo: this is in the ubuntuguide too
[10:31] <hybrid_goth> kyncani:  dont suggest ubuntuguide please
[10:31] <ElVirolo> kyncani, oh sorry, i did a google search, but didn't think of going through the ubuntu guide
[10:32] <ElVirolo> sorry, and thanks :)
[10:32] <kyncani> hybrid_goth: :D
[10:32] <hybrid_goth> kyncani:  talk to the DOC team. they do alot of work to put together a working and informative wiki
[10:32] <hoderaz> how many time does the "updating fontconfig cache..." make ?
[10:33] <xkuseme> i am using reiserfs and i get a message "VFS: couldn't find ext3 on hda1" anybody know what and why i get this?
[10:33] <OsFounder> maybe cause ur using reiserfs and its not the same as ext3???
[10:33] <OsFounder> you must have changed something wrong in configuration
[10:33] <xkuseme> OsFounder, but why is it looking for ext3
[10:33] <will``> I installed hoary on my laptop, a sharp PC-MM10, and I can't get it to connect to my wifi. I'm using wifi radar to manage it (its a python app which calls the iw stuff) and it prints "eth1 Interface doesn't support scanning".  Any way I can narrow down the problem?
[10:34] <D1> I get that too, but my system still boots fine.
[10:34] <OsFounder> hm...
[10:34] <xkuseme> D1, you mean the ext3 thing
[10:34] <JDahl> will``, do you see your wireless card in system->administration->networking?
[10:35] <OsFounder> u should try to reformat entire drive (if u can, because of data, etc) and then set up a hda1 partition as ReiserFS with "/" mount point
[10:35] <will``> JDahl: yes, but when i type my network info into it, it can't connect either
[10:35] <OsFounder> this may be due to some other distros using different configuration standards
[10:36] <OsFounder> will, does ur network uses some kind of encryption? WEP maybe?
[10:36] <JDahl> will``, does "iwlist eth1 scan" work?
[10:36] <ray_> is there a good gui frontend for samba
[10:36] <xkuseme> OsFounder, that is the only way, to reinstall?
[10:36] <OsFounder> hm...
[10:36] <will``> JDahl: i get the "interface doesn't support scanning" message
[10:37] <OsFounder> I think yes, ENTIRE DISK, to erase old config files that are maybe left out from other distros
[10:37] <Cin> lol, i'm on a higher res now, but lots of flashy lines running down my screen, hurrah!
[10:37] <JDahl> will``, also with sudo?
[10:37] <OsFounder> CIn, are u sure u installed graphics drivers good?
[10:37] <will``> JDahl: this was in a root terminal
[10:37] <xkuseme> OsFounder, there was never another distro, it's a brand new hard drive and first install of ubuntu
[10:38] <OsFounder> hm, strange...
[10:38] <OsFounder> try to make that what I told you then
[10:38] <OsFounder> it should fix the problem
[10:38] <Cin> ubuntu did it for me... the colour and everything is there, just these odd lines... still can't find anywhere to have 3D/gl acceleration
[10:38] <xkuseme> osFounder, the systerm boots fine tho
[10:38] <OsFounder> yes, problem is just in configuration files
[10:39] <hybrid_goth> whats good dvd burning software for ubuntu?
[10:39] <anders__> good day ubuntu peapols
[10:39] <OsFounder> which you cant "really" change in Ubuntu as u dont have root access
[10:39] <xkuseme> OsFounder, sorry what did you tell me, coz you didn't put my name i might have not seen it
[10:39] <OsFounder> K3B
[10:39] <OsFounder> xkuseme,yes, problem is just in configuration files
[10:39] <zetor> xkuseme:i get the same message on startup,i installed Ubuntu after i did partitoning with the debian installer and chose Reiser FS
[10:39] <hybrid_goth> OsFounder:  ty
[10:39] <OsFounder> np
[10:40] <xkuseme> zetor, what are you gonna do about it?
[10:40] <jon86> i am just about to try Ubuntu (from using Gentoo) and wondered if i can use Cool n Quiet on Ubuntu amd-64 ?
[10:40] <OsFounder> yes
[10:40] <OsFounder> if your motherboard supports Cool n Quiet then yes
[10:40] <OsFounder> this was for Jon86
[10:40] <jon86> is it just a case of install the powernow daemon?
[10:40] <jon86> thanks
[10:40] <OsFounder> no problem
[10:40] <zetor> i just ignore it,Ubuntu works fine...
[10:41] <jon86> OsFounder, do you know if it's just a case of installing the powernow daemon?
[10:41] <OsFounder> Xkuseme altought there is a way to get root access on Ubuntu, I wouldnt suggest doing that if u dont know what u are doing
[10:41] <OsFounder> just reformat entire drive
[10:41] <xkuseme> zetor, that sounds like a bug in the installer then, coz i also just changed to reiserfs during partioning
[10:41] <xkuseme> OsFounder, sudo su
[10:41] <zetor> xkuseme: could be
[10:42] <Sp4rKy> hi
[10:42] <OsFounder> yes, but better dont do it :p
[10:42] <anders__> ? can americans armey bee playing at ubuntu??
[10:42] <OsFounder> hm
[10:42] <xkuseme> OsFounder, better don't do what
[10:42] <Sp4rKy> i 've some issues with gnome on connect, could you help me please
[10:42] <jon86> :/ -  should just Google and stop asking silly Qs on IRC :)
[10:42] <OsFounder> use sudo
[10:42] <xkuseme> OsFounder, use sudo for what?
[10:43] <OsFounder> anders...does american army exists for debian? if it does, then probably yes
[10:43] <OsFounder> xkuseme, nothing, nothing important :p
[10:43] <anders__> i have no idear i no it is too linux
[10:43] <OsFounder> ok, wait a moment
[10:43] <clown> lo, I had to install 5.04 without a NIC installed. Now I have the opportunity to add it. What should I do to configure it? It is a PCMCIA 3c575 NIC.
[10:43] <anders__> but dont no if it can work at this
[10:44] <OsFounder> clown...have u activated hot plug system?
[10:45] <ValheruLord> /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process
[10:45] <hybrid_goth> thats it!
[10:45] <ValheruLord> what does that mean?
[10:45] <anders__> ok
[10:45] <hybrid_goth> i am using curl to download ubuntu
[10:45] <JDahl> anders__, if it works for linux you should be able to get it running under Ubuntu, but installation might not be easy
[10:45] <clown> OsFounder: probably... will that help?
[10:45] <anders__> hmm i reed more about it
[10:45] <OsFounder> using that Ubuntu should have already auto configured it with default values
[10:46] <OsFounder> Amerrica Army is currently not available for Linux, but as soon as 2.4 for Linux comes out, u can download it and play
[10:46] <nadjyla> :?/
[10:46] <clown> OsFounder: I haven't started Ubuntu yet with the NIC...
[10:46] <anders__> ? more whot is the news update for ubuntu and where do i get it??
[10:46] <OsFounder> as there is no uBUNTU package, just download debian package
[10:46] <OsFounder> it should work
[10:46] <OsFounder> so, start it :)
[10:46] <hybrid_goth> lol
[10:47] <OsFounder> clown: so start it :)
[10:47] <ElVirolo> hi again
[10:47] <clown> OsFounder: nothing to do on forehand?
[10:47] <hybrid_goth> AA is out for PC MAC LINUX XBOX you name it
[10:47] <OsFounder> nop
[10:47] <clown> OsFounder: k.
[10:47] <anders__> okay
[10:47] <OsFounder> hybrid: yes, but v.2.4 doesnt still exist for linux
[10:47] <Svartvit> Hey, I've run into a small problem I couldn't find an answer to. ESD is appearantly installed since I use it to play audio in XMMS and Mplayer, but I'm missing /etc/esound. It just isn't there.
[10:47] <OsFounder> :)
[10:47] <hybrid_goth> o_0
[10:47] <jon86> AA on Mac and Linux is v2.3 at the moment
[10:47] <ElVirolo> well, the rescue mode was indeed not very helpful : when i get to the console, grub-install doesn't seem to exist
[10:47] <hybrid_goth> ah
[10:47] <OsFounder> true, Jon
[10:48] <anders__> hm
[10:48] <jon86> not v2.4, like Win
[10:48] <OsFounder> hm..listen ElVirolo
[10:48] <OsFounder> you have messed up witj
[10:48] <OsFounder> with the Grub
[10:48] <ElVirolo> OsFounder,  yes
[10:48] <OsFounder> this is what u should do
[10:48] <OsFounder> u have install media for Ubuntu?
[10:48] <ElVirolo> OsFounder, yes
[10:49] <Svartvit> Anyone? :/
[10:49] <OsFounder> insert it and when few auto steps are finished, click ESC
[10:49] <OsFounder> u will get a menu where u can scroll down
[10:49] <OsFounder> and select "Grub" something
[10:50] <OsFounder> or LILO if you preffer LilO
[10:50] <OsFounder> what u need Svartvit?
[10:50] <Catdaemon`> zoomj
[10:50] <ElVirolo> Svartvit, try reinstalling the pacjage (?)
[10:50] <Catdaemon`> uninstall ubuntu
[10:50] <Catdaemon`> ive got myself into a hole with it
[10:50] <Catdaemon`> but dont do the same !
[10:50] <ElVirolo> OsFounder, oh I see, that is in install mode, not rescue
[10:50] <OsFounder> yes
[10:51] <ElVirolo> OsFounder, ok, thanks a lot :)
[10:51] <anders__> time fore me to get some coffe
[10:51] <OsFounder> no problem
[10:51] <OsFounder> oh...its damn hot here
[10:51] <Svartvit> ElVirolo: Is there a nifty apt-get command for that?
[10:51] <OsFounder> I couldnt drink cofee here even if I wanted to :)
[10:51] <Svartvit> esound?
[10:51] <anders__> hehe
[10:51] <OsFounder> 34C
[10:51] <peterretief> coffee
[10:51] <peterretief> ??
[10:51] <ElVirolo> Svartvit, apt-get --reinstall install <package>
[10:51] <anders__> 22c in my home in denmark
[10:51] <anders__> and it is night
[10:52] <Svartvit> ElVirolo: rgr
[10:52] <OsFounder> night here too
[10:52] <ElVirolo> 28 here in france
[10:52] <OsFounder> 34 croatia
[10:52] <anders__> but all sow having 3 computers running
[10:52] <OsFounder> ok, taking a break for going something to drink (something really cold) so just pm me if u need some help
[10:52] <Svartvit> ElVirolo: Didn't work.
[10:53] <anders__> ok
[10:53] <ElVirolo> Svartvit, what didn't work ?
[10:53] <Svartvit> esd.conf doesn't even exist on the system.
[10:53] <Svartvit> ElVirolo: No esound config file.
[10:54] <OsFounder> ok, back
[10:54] <anders__> k
[10:54] <ElVirolo> Oh
[10:54] <kyncani> hybrid_goth: i've checked ubuntu-doc's archives, you don't suggest the ubuntuguide because it's been incorporated into ubuntu's wiki as FAQGuide :)
[10:55] <ElVirolo> Svartvit, isn't it included in the package?
[10:55] <ValheruLord> dpkg gives error.. how can i force him to remove errorful packages.. there are 2 of them
[10:57] <OsFounder> hm...why dont u just use synaptic?
[10:57] <Sammi_> I have a problem. I need to transfer files from hard drive A (with Windows installed on it) to hard drive B (with Ubuntu.) But whichever one I boot to, it doesn't seem to be able to talk to the other. I have set the hardware up just about as many ways as I can think of (and dug around in the systems everywhere I could think of,) but each only recognizes that the other is there, without leaving it accessable to me.
[10:57] <kyncani> hybrid_goth: i won't make the same mistake again :)
[10:57] <OsFounder> sammi, listen now
[10:57] <hybrid_goth> kyncani:  yea we were in a meeting and i heard alot from the Doc team
[10:57] <OsFounder> you should use Samba
[10:57] <Svartvit> ElVirolo: Beats me, there is no 'esound' or 'esd' whatsoever on my computer still after the reinstall.
[10:57] <anders__> hehe you think
[10:57] <ElVirolo> Svartvit, wow
[10:57] <OsFounder> svartvit, USE SYNAPTIC
[10:57] <ElVirolo> Svartvit, I'm sorry, i can't help you anymore :(
[10:57] <kyncani> hybrid_goth: he he, thanks for for correcting me ;)
[10:57] <hybrid_goth> kyncani:  np
[10:57] <hybrid_goth> kyncani:  just share the news would ya?
[10:57] <OsFounder> hm...I see people need a lot of help
[10:57] <dq> hi all
[10:57] <OsFounder> anybody here willing to participate in making a Ubuntu support
[10:57] <OsFounder> something like mozsource?
[10:58] <hybrid_goth> OsFounder:  /msg me
[10:58] <Svartvit> OsFounder: In what way would Synaptic fix it?
[10:58] <dq> NE1 get Cedega 2 work in Ubu?
[10:58] <OsFounder> it would resolve dependencies
[10:59] <hybrid_goth> OsFounder:  msg me about your idea would ya?
[10:59] <OsFounder> just try to download/install Cedega using Synaptic
[10:59] <OsFounder> I did hybrid
[11:01] <OsFounder> any more questions?
[11:02] <moffa> Can someone help a noob install linux on a raid controller?
[11:02] <dq> mine has sum errors with elf when I try 2 run a game
[11:03] <OsFounder> hm..moffa...
[11:04] <OsFounder> on another computer or this one?
[11:04] <dq> is there NE equivalent 2 macromedia flashmx?
[11:04] <moffa> this one, i'm in windows atm
[11:04] <OsFounder> what raid field have u made?
[11:04] <moffa> two 80gb striped together
[11:04] <JDahl> dq, sum errors? are you using one the old pentiums with a flawed FPU?
[11:04] <moffa> i've found a solution on the forums, but I have no idea what it means
[11:04] <OsFounder> not that
[11:04] <OsFounder> RAID FIELD 0, or 1 or 0+1 or 2 or what????
[11:05] <dq> P4 2.0Ghz
[11:05] <moffa> Raid 0
[11:05] <dq> is that old JDahl?
[11:05] <ElVirolo> OsFounder, hi again
[11:05] <ElVirolo> OsFounder, it didn't work
[11:05] <dq> it works hundreds in suse 9.3 tho
[11:05] <OsFounder> what didnt work?
[11:06] <ElVirolo> OsFounder, it said "unable to install grub on /target" and then "installation failed"
[11:06] <OsFounder> who knows france here to translate this to moffa:  http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?pid=56795
[11:06] <OsFounder> where u tried to install?
[11:06] <ElVirolo> OsFounder, me
[11:06] <ElVirolo> OsFounder, MBR
[11:06] <Svartvit> OsFounder: What do you want me to do in Synaptic? Never used it before. :P
[11:06] <OsFounder> oh, what problem u have svartvit? I am lost :p
[11:07] <OsFounder> ElVirlolo, please translate that link (all in it) to Moffa
[11:07] <JDahl> dq, old as in I know you from somewhere else? I dont think so...
[11:07] <Svartvit> OsFounder: I've got no esound directory. :)
[11:07] <ElVirolo> OsFounder, I shall
[11:07] <OsFounder> for installing ubuntu on RAID 0
[11:07] <OsFounder> Elvirolo, try to install it on HDA1 or whatever...no MBR
[11:07] <OsFounder> never use MBR
[11:08] <ElVirolo> moffa, r u still around?
[11:08] <ElVirolo> OsFounder, why ?
[11:08] <dq> ?
[11:08] <moffa> yes
[11:08] <OsFounder> cause, its better no :=)
[11:08] <moffa> i used google to translate it, but it is of no help
[11:08] <ElVirolo> OsFounder, if i don't install on MBR, then the XP bootloader will still be there
[11:09] <moffa> It just says to install another hdd, but I do not have an extra one
[11:09] <OsFounder> find a utility to erase MBR
[11:09] <ElVirolo> :(
[11:09] <OsFounder> wait moffa, elvirolo will translate this to u
[11:09] <ElVirolo> this is gonna be long
[11:09] <OsFounder> sorry :(
[11:09] <ElVirolo> I wonder why it wont install it to the MBR
[11:10] <Or1on> is it possible to DAR (or other backup software) a NTFS partition witn XP and then create a new FAT32 partition and extract from backup archives? Or will XP complain at the change of filesystems?
[11:10] <ElVirolo> can't I do anything from knoppix?
[11:10] <OsFounder> hm...I have possible solution
[11:10] <jordan> hello all
[11:10] <OsFounder> u have win cd?
[11:10] <OsFounder> hi jordan
[11:10] <OsFounder> go to recovery console
[11:10] <OsFounder> and write in this order
[11:10] <OsFounder> fix mbr
[11:10] <OsFounder> oh
[11:10] <OsFounder> nooooooooo
[11:10] <OsFounder> dont do this
[11:10] <jordan> what is going on in ubuntu today?
[11:10] <OsFounder> I was just about to tell you to erase linux :p
[11:10] <jordan> NO!!!
[11:10] <OsFounder> nothing much jordan
[11:11] <Or1on> I need to convert NTFS to FAT32....
[11:11] <ElVirolo> OsFounder, yes i have win cd
[11:11] <OsFounder> nothing, I got a wrong thought
[11:12] <Svartvit> OsFounder: So, did you have a solution or an explanation to why my /etc/esound isn't there, or not? :)
[11:12] <OsFounder> Elvirolo: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-132.html
[11:12] <OsFounder> ok svartvit, dont u see I am busy?
[11:12] <OsFounder> ok, wait a moment svarvit
[11:12] <jordan> welcome linlin
[11:12] <OsFounder> this is for Grub configuring elvirolo
[11:13] <linlin> I need to run a KDE app, but I like gnome. I dont want to reinstall to kubuntu, what can i do?
[11:13] <Dr_Melectaus> Can anyone reccomend a good FTP server for ubuntu, thats simple and effective
[11:13] <ElVirolo> OsFounder, ok thx
[11:13] <linlin> this is the app http://kasablanca.berlios.de/download.html
[11:13] <jordan> anyone here use wine?
[11:13] <OsFounder> no problem
[11:13] <linlin> i just got done messing with wine a little bit
[11:13] <OsFounder> what u need about wine?
[11:13] <jordan> I am trying to install it - I am checking it out from cvs and building it actually
[11:13] <OsFounder> shoot
[11:13] <OsFounder> oh
[11:13] <ElVirolo> OsFounder, wait, i know how to configure grub
[11:13] <OsFounder> good then :)
[11:13] <jordan> is it good enough to try and install it through apt-get?
[11:14] <OsFounder> just download Wine with Synaptic
[11:14] <OsFounder> yes
[11:14] <jordan> ok
[11:14] <jordan> question though
[11:14] <jordan> when I try to get wine with synaptic, it gives me this error
[11:14] <Dr_Melectaus> jordon: sudo apt-get install wine <<put in terminal
[11:14] <linlin> what should i download through synaptic to get kde applications running
[11:14] <Snuffkin> Hey. LiveCD is failing to recognize my Radeon x800 pcie and dumps me to a console. ...?
[11:14] <Dr_Melectaus> and hit y then enter when required
[11:15] <OsFounder> just app u want
[11:15] <OsFounder> it will download dependencie
[11:15] <OsFounder> s
[11:15] <OsFounder> to linlin
[11:15] <jordan> here is why I want it, I want to play good ole starcraft
[11:15] <alien8> hiya, quick Q, envy24PT (M revolution 7.1) sound card, sound just through right channel and high levels, is there a package for the mixer for this? apt-cache search w/universe comes up empty.
[11:15] <OsFounder> who nedeed sound thing?
[11:15] <jordan> sorry to do this everyone.... The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[11:15] <jordan>   wine: Depends: libwine (= 0.0.20050310-1.1) but 0.0.20050419-1~5.04ubp1 is to be installed
[11:15] <jordan> E: Broken packages
[11:15] <alien8> me? :)
[11:15] <OsFounder> here u can find how to manualy make all things in that folder
[11:15] <OsFounder> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[11:16] <linlin> OsFounder its not in apt-get
[11:16] <linlin> i do have a .deb of it though
[11:16] <linlin> will that work?
[11:16] <OsFounder> yes
[11:16] <OsFounder> oh, I am getting dizzy
[11:16] <linlin> ok great. how do i install that
[11:16] <OsFounder> who needs what?
[11:16] <OsFounder> oh
[11:16] <linlin> lol yeah your answering alot of questions :P
[11:17] <jordan> being the founder of an os is a lot of work!
[11:17] <linlin> OsFounder are you really the OsFounder ?
[11:17] <alien8> <-- debian on servers, ubuntu on desktops for an easy life
[11:17] <OsFounder> use dpkg
[11:17] <OsFounder> li,
[11:17] <OsFounder> linlin: yes, but not of this OS :P
[11:17] <hybrid_goth> lol
[11:17] <linlin> what os? :-X
[11:18] <hybrid_goth> windows?
[11:18] <hybrid_goth> j/k
[11:18] <OsFounder> :)
[11:18] <linlin> lol
[11:18] <Snuffkin> OsFounder os?
[11:18] <jordan> nyuck, nyuck
[11:18] <OsFounder> dont mention Windows to me today, please :)
[11:18] <hybrid_goth> i wrote OSX in one night
[11:18] <hybrid_goth> OsFounder: heh
[11:18] <jordan> haha
[11:18] <OsFounder> i tried vista today :)
[11:18] <linlin> really?
[11:18] <OsFounder> Windows Vista :)
[11:18] <hybrid_goth> roflmfao
[11:18] <hybrid_goth> 1
[11:18] <hybrid_goth> 2
[11:18] <hybrid_goth> 3
[11:18] <hybrid_goth> point n laugh
[11:19] <linlin> how different is it from the early alphas of Longhorn?
[11:19] <Snuffkin> Am I right in thinking it is what ME is to 98 that Vista is to XP?
[11:19] <crimsun> (straying off-topic here...)
[11:19] <OsFounder> hm...
[11:19] <linlin> i tried an early alpha build of it for shits and giglges
[11:19] <OsFounder> lemme see...
[11:19] <hybrid_goth> Snuffkin: man i have said that since they cut out winfs
[11:19] <OsFounder> only new thing it brings in semi transparent windows
[11:19] <jordan> for windows chat please join channel "crappyOS"
[11:19] <linlin> wouldnt run worth a shit, i dont see why they are waiting to release it so long
[11:19] <Snuffkin> heh
[11:19] <ElVirolo> so
[11:19] <linlin> works just as well as xp
[11:19] <OsFounder> and erase surfing history
[11:19] <hybrid_goth> lol
[11:20] <OsFounder> and some control panel modifications
[11:20] <ElVirolo> is there a way to reinstall GRUB from knoppix?
[11:20] <hybrid_goth> for your pR0n
[11:20] <OsFounder> i think so
[11:20] <linlin> heh'
[11:20] <jordan> anyone want to help me install wine with synaptic?
[11:20] <crimsun> ElVirolo: sure, use grub-install
[11:20] <hybrid_goth> there is
[11:20] <OsFounder> here is for installing packages, who needed it: http://gnomejournal.org/article/19/simplified-package-management-in-ubuntu-hoary
[11:20] <Amaranth> What do you guys think of http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg.png as the new icon for Smeg?
[11:20] <ElVirolo> crimsun, how will it pick up the menu.lst ?
[11:21] <gianmarco> salve
[11:21] <hybrid_goth> jordan: put the repo from winehq in your sources.list and run synaptic
[11:21] <crimsun> ElVirolo: from /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:21] <hybrid_goth> brb
[11:21] <linlin> how do i install this .deb?
[11:22] <OsFounder> here is for installing packages, who needed it: http://gnomejournal.org/article/19/simplified-package-management-in-ubuntu-hoary
[11:22] <OsFounder> this is for linlin
[11:22] <Amaranth> http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg.png <--ooh, shiny! :P
[11:23] <Amaranth> I need comments or I'll die. :)
[11:23] <ElVirolo> crimsun, so i have to mount my ubuntu partition?
[11:23] <linlin> what the hell does "super cow powers" mean
[11:23] <jordan> Why am I having trouble installing wine with synaptic?
[11:23] <Amaranth> linlin: where did you see that? :D
[11:23] <linlin> apt and aptitude
[11:23] <Amaranth> linlin: It means you need root or sudo
[11:24] <linlin> apt apparently has super cow powers, while aptitude does not
[11:24] <linlin> i want super cow powers :-X
[11:24] <Amaranth> sudo
[11:26] <OsFounder> everybody's quite now :=
[11:26] <OsFounder> :)
[11:27] <Amaranth> OsFounder: yeah, you should look at my icon :)
[11:27] <OsFounder> I cant see any icons  :p
[11:27] <poningru> morning guys
[11:28] <poningru> err after noon
[11:28] <Amaranth> OsFounder: http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg.png
[11:28] <poningru> apt-get super cow?
[11:28] <zeus> thenostradamus,
[11:28] <zeus> oops :)
[11:28] <zeus> hi all
[11:29] <OsFounder> hi
[11:29] <OsFounder> what is that icon for?
[11:29] <Amaranth> OsFounder: smeg
[11:29] <Amaranth> !smeg
[11:29] <ubotu> hmm... smeg is a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[11:30] <linlin> i still dont get how to load this darn .deb
[11:30] <Amaranth> linlin: sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[11:30] <linlin> when i run dpkg -i filename.deb it whines about dependencies
[11:30] <Amaranth> linlin: so fix them
[11:30] <linlin> theres no way to do it all automatically?
[11:30] <Amaranth> nope
[11:30] <linlin> mk
[11:30] <Amaranth> that's what apt was made for
[11:30] <poningru> linlin: welcome to linux
[11:30] <zeus> i have an interface problem. it is right-to left and is really bothersome. how can I change it to left-to-right
[11:30] <ryan_> Can anyone reccomend a good FTP server for ubuntu, thats simple and effective
[11:30] <poningru> dependency hell
[11:30] <Amaranth> apt, aptitude, synaptic, etc are the ones that resolve dependencies, dpkg just installs things
[11:30] <OsFounder> hm..I think
[11:31] <OsFounder> FileServer exists for Linux
[11:31] <OsFounder> try it
[11:31] <poningru> yeah
[11:31] <poningru> just give your files open access
[11:31] <poningru> err create folder
[11:32] <ryan_> poningru, ive tried that
[11:32] <ryan_> its for windows sake
[11:32] <ryan_> i cant add a location for ubuntu
[11:32] <poningru> ryan_: ?
[11:32] <OsFounder> "dependency hell" exists only for people who dont know what are they doing
[11:32] <OsFounder> you can
[11:32] <OsFounder> install Samba
[11:32] <poningru> oh
[11:32] <ryan_> i have samba
[11:32] <linlin> apt is getting the dependencies now i believe
[11:32] <Svartvit> OsFounder: Hmm, I removed a package in 'conflict' with the package that installs the files I need. Is that how you do it? :S
[11:33] <tucoz> I wonder how to turn off the bell in the consoles. That is outside of X.
[11:33] <linlin> yay my app works!!! :) :)
[11:33] <ryan_> fileserver isnt in my repositories. any others that would be
[11:33] <OsFounder> no, but I am special :p if it works for you then ok
[11:33] <tucoz> The beep is really loud on my laptop
[11:33] <OsFounder> that was for Svartvit
[11:33] <pHr33K`|Dek2on|`> any helpers online?
[11:34] <OsFounder> so reduce sound :)
[11:34] <jazzanova_> hi
[11:34] <OsFounder> what u need pHr something :p
[11:34] <tucoz> OsFounder, I can't
[11:34] <OsFounder> hi
[11:34] <jazzanova_> how can I get gdm to start Xvnc ?
[11:34] <pHr33K`|Dek2on|`> yeah, i just need a way to connect to the internet using ubuntu
[11:34] <OsFounder> oh
[11:34] <OsFounder> what connection
[11:34] <pHr33K`|Dek2on|`> ADSL
[11:34] <OsFounder> oh
[11:34] <Amaranth> pppoe?
[11:34] <OsFounder> router?
[11:35] <tucoz> It's the buzzer. It doesnt care about the soundcard's volume control
[11:35] <pHr33K`|Dek2on|`> pppoe
[11:35] <pHr33K`|Dek2on|`> yes
[11:35] <pHr33K`|Dek2on|`> no no router
[11:35] <Svartvit> OsFounder: Okay, I guess you can't help me. Thanks anyway.
[11:35] <Amaranth> !info pppoe
[11:35] <ubotu> pppoe: (PPP over Ethernet driver), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 3.5-4ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 64 kB, Installed size: 208 kB
[11:35] <OsFounder> oh
[11:35] <OsFounder> sorrz then
[11:35] <pHr33K`|Dek2on|`> im sorry, im kinda new to linux
[11:36] <pHr33K`|Dek2on|`> can u explain that
[11:36] <zeus> anyone? interface? right-to-left, lef-to-right?
[11:36] <PrimoTurbo> Does anyone know how I can find the location code for Toronto. Trying to use iWeather with gdesklets.
[11:36] <Amaranth> pHr33K`|Dek2on|`: It's a package to install with synaptic.
[11:37] <Amaranth> pHr33K`|Dek2on|`: That's all I know about pppoe in linux, sorry.
[11:37] <PrimoTurbo> I tried google can't find anything.
[11:37] <PrimoTurbo> it's a 5 digit code
[11:37] <jordan> Anyone here an Ubuntu expert that can help me out?
[11:37] <pHr33K`|Dek2on|`> Amaranth so its a "program" i should put into a floppy and instalkl on ubuntu?
[11:37] <jordan> I am trying like hell to get wine installed and can't
[11:37] <ccesario> hey... how to configure BR ABNT2 keyboard in breezy.... the / and ? keys don't work :(
[11:38] <jordan> I have spent several days trying to figure out why synaptic won't let me install it
[11:38] <Amaranth> pHr33K`|Dek2on|`: err
[11:38] <Amaranth> pHr33K`|Dek2on|`: I have no idea. :)
[11:38] <poningru> ccesario: hmm let me see
[11:38] <PrimoTurbo> Does anyone know how to figure out the code for the iWeather?
[11:38] <PrimoTurbo> This is driving me crazy
[11:38] <jordan> please, please, exclamation mark!!!
[11:39] <ryan_> how do you run a windows disc from a cdrive with wine? i assume its in terminal
[11:39] <Amaranth> pHr33K`|Dek2on|`: On the ubuntu machine open a terminal and type 'sudo pppoeconf'
[11:39] <pHr33K`|Dek2on|`> Amaranth hhhhh :D ok man, thnx anyway :D
[11:39] <pHr33K`|Dek2on|`> aha
[11:39] <poningru> ccesario: whats the company name of the thing?
[11:39] <pHr33K`|Dek2on|`> ok thnx :D
[11:40] <jordan> I need and ubuntu expert to help out a little guy, please!!!
[11:40] <OsFounder> what u need jordan?
[11:41] <Amaranth> jordan: You need to ask your question first, we can't read minds. :D
[11:41] <Thewrdnrd> Is it possible to install Ubuntu remotely? Like, pop in the CD, then connect remotely from another box over the network?
[11:41] <alien8> jordan> I have spent several days trying to figure out why synaptic won't let me install it
[11:42] <OsFounder> yes, thewrdnrd
[11:42] <alien8> jordan> I am trying like hell to get wine installed and can't
[11:42] <|_h2o_|> hi all :D, i need info about how to install windows, with a ubuntu linux already installed on the machine :D
[11:42] <Thewrdnrd> OsFounder: Nifty. Using the standard CD?
[11:42] <crimsun> alien8: which package are you trying?
[11:42] <Poly_Pusher> <--- wonders if there's a way to make it so that Ubuntu will let you log into root from the login scree.)
[11:42] <tucoz> PrimoTurbo: from google: "Go to weather.com and find your town. Look at the url and you'll see a code buried in the address somewhere. That's the number you need."
[11:42] <alien8> crimsun: it's not me it's jordan
[11:42] <alien8> I just repasted what he asked
[11:42] <OsFounder> hm..I never used standard CD, I made my own Network install CD
[11:43] <Thewrdnrd> Hmm.
[11:43] <poningru> |_h2o_|: thats not possible
[11:43] <OsFounder> but I guess u could do it using just standard cd
[11:43] <poningru> cause windows deletes everything on the hd
[11:43] <poningru> so what you have to do is install windows first
[11:43] <poningru> then install linux
[11:43] <|_h2o_|> ohhh i see, mmmm
[11:43] <poningru> you can do it
[11:43] <poningru> if you get another HD
[11:43] <poningru> or if you have two HD
[11:43] <|_h2o_|> thaks :D
[11:43] <poningru> np
[11:44] <poningru> sorry I couldnt be of more help
[11:44] <jazzanova_> what do i use in ubuntu to view images ?
[11:44] <|_h2o_|> nop it is a laptop
[11:44] <phixion> jazzanova_, image viewer?
[11:44] <|_h2o_|> mm there is no way to resize the linux partition?
[11:44] <phixion> should open the image in that by default afaik
[11:44] <tucoz> jabular, eog?
[11:44] <OsFounder> h2o, use Drax
[11:44] <tucoz> jazzanova_, eog?
[11:44] <poningru> |_h2o_|: it doesnt matter
[11:45] <|_h2o_|> ?
[11:45] <jazzanova_> ok, thanks
[11:46] <poningru> iven if you partition the HD for 30 gigs of NTFS
[11:46] <poningru> even*
[11:46] <Poly_Pusher> Is there a way to login as root from the login screen or from another user under Ubuntu?
[11:46] <poningru> windows install deletes everything
[11:46] <OsFounder> no
[11:46] <wdh> Poly_Pusher, sudo -s
[11:46] <poningru> on the HD
[11:46] <Poly_Pusher> wdh i mean under gnome/x server
[11:47] <|_h2o_|> mmmm i dont want to lose my linux partition im new and tookme a lot of time to make it work fine :(
[11:47] <raven3x7> Poly_Pusher, you'd need to enable the root acount first
[11:47] <ryan_> how do you run a windows disc from a cdrive with wine? i assume its in terminal
[11:47] <OsFounder> u cant
[11:47] <Poly_Pusher> raven3x7 and how do you go about doing that mate? :P
[11:47] <Poly_Pusher> :)*
[11:47] <OsFounder> whats the point in that???
[11:47] <Poly_Pusher> didn't mean then :-p face
[11:48] <OsFounder> just wine parametars
[11:48] <poningru> |_h2o_|: what I would do is backup your things and then just install windows
[11:48] <poningru> and then install linux
[11:48] <ryan_> OsFounder, im wanting to try install/run unreal tournament 2003 with wine
[11:48] <|_h2o_|> ok
[11:48] <OsFounder> you cant run UT2003
[11:49] <poningru> |_h2o_|: here this will help
[11:49] <ryan_> so how do i use ut2003
[11:49] <OsFounder> on linux?
[11:49] <OsFounder> get linux version
[11:49] <poningru> ubotu: tell |_h2o_| about !dualboot
[11:49] <ryan_> theres a linux version?
[11:49] <deprave> word up
[11:49] <OsFounder> yes
[11:50] <PrimoTurbo> tucoz: I found that and tried it but it doesn't show the code I need
[11:50] <|_h2o_|> oks let me see ...
[11:50] <tucoz> PrimoTurbo, ok. So it isnt CAXX0504 then
[11:50] <raven3x7> Poly_Pusher, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#allowrootlogingnome
[11:51] <tucoz> weird that it's so hard to find out.
[11:51] <PrimoTurbo> yeah it's 5 digits long
[11:51] <PrimoTurbo> shit nvm
[11:51] <PrimoTurbo> worked just now, how odd
[11:51] <OsFounder> who needed to know how to setup a ADSL connection?
[11:51] <PrimoTurbo> thanks
[11:52] <raven3x7> Poly_Pusher, also notice how to enable root above that. and set a password
[11:52] <OsFounder> who needed partitioning tool?
[11:52] <OsFounder> sudo apt-get install gparted
[11:53] <jordan> me gusta ubuntu
[11:53] <OsFounder> sta ti??
[11:53] <linlin> i need to locate my "X Includes". How do i do this?
[11:53] <tucoz> PrimoTurbo: this page shows that approach also. http://www.linuxin.dk/pictures/locationcode.jpg
[11:54] <jazzanova_> i am running Xvnc and when i connect to it from another computer, i can't see pictures. its all black.
[11:54] <Poly_Pusher> raven3x7 thanks much for your help mate ... i appreciate it
[11:55] <tucoz> PrimoTurbo: Have you tried CAXX0504?
[11:55] <PrimoTurbo> tucoz: It worked the second time I tried it
[11:55] <tucoz> goodie
[11:55] <PrimoTurbo> tucoz: Thanks.
 i saw that mate .. and got everything squared away :)
[11:56] <PrimoTurbo> I guess it didn't have enough time to update the first time cause I'm downloading
[11:57] <tucoz> :)
[11:59] <Octane> anyone here know have experience make deb packages? i know what i need to do just need a little bit of help
[11:59] <tommi^> Octane, have you checked the documentation?
[11:59] <LeaChim> i'm getting: X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting on trying to use xinit. how can i fix it?
[11:59] <Amaranth> Octane: #ubuntu-motu is the place for packaging