[04:40] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: I agree with you wholeheartedly
[04:59] <jsgotangco> hi
[06:18] <Madpilot> ?
[06:18] <robitaille> ??
[06:18] <robitaille> :)
[10:47] <Madpilot> anyone here?
[10:47] <highvoltage> i'm sure there is
[10:48] <highvoltage> it's sunday morning, so most ppl are probably asleep
[10:48] <Madpilot> you know, I had no idea how late it was - almost 0200 here. heh...
[10:49] <highvoltage> heh. is that us western time?
[10:50] <Madpilot> Pacific Daylight
[10:50] <highvoltage> wow. time is complicated in the usa.
[10:50] <highvoltage> in south africa we just have one time, and it stays the same. always.
[10:51] <Madpilot> perhaps - except that I'm in Canada... ;)
[10:51] <Madpilot> RSA doesn't use daylight savings?
[10:51] <highvoltage> nope.
[10:51] <highvoltage> we don't really need it. we have enough daylight throughout the year :)
[10:52] <Madpilot> we need to save it, this far north!
[10:52] <highvoltage> in the summer, the sun comes up at 6, sets at 20:00, in the winter, it comes up at 7:00, sets at 19:00
[10:52] <highvoltage> yeah
[10:53] <Madpilot> winter, here: up @ 0800, down before 1700 at worst. summer, up before 0600 and down past 2100
[10:53] <Madpilot> 49 degrees North does that... ;)
[10:54] <highvoltage> i'm sure george bush will fund a project to change the virtual tilt of the earth :)
[10:54] <Madpilot> he's just dumb enough. Canadian politicians are (slightly) more intelligent...
[10:54] <highvoltage> true.
[10:54] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[10:55] <Burgundavia> what should I do with it?
[10:56] <highvoltage> Burgundavia, Madpilot: are you related?
[10:56] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, Madpilot is my old brother
[10:56] <Burgundavia> I converted him to Ubuntu after his XP died
[10:57] <highvoltage> that's cool.
[10:59] <poningru> hehe
[10:59] <poningru> how old apart are you guys?
[10:59] <Madpilot> four years
[11:00] <poningru> oh I thought it would be bigger diff,  Burgundavia highvoltage, Madpilot is my old brother
[11:00] <Madpilot> heh. Burgundavia can't type worth a d*mn - that should be "older"...
[11:01] <poningru> oh
[11:01] <poningru> gotcha
[11:01] <poningru> doh should have realized that
[11:01] <Burgundavia> ya ya
[11:01] <Burgundavia> asdflkjasdfhpoiasdf
[11:01] <Madpilot> did you type that with your forehead?
[11:01] <highvoltage> qwerty! aaah!
[11:02] <Burgundavia> nope
[11:02] <Burgundavia> did it with me hands!
[11:02] <poningru> dvorak?
[11:02] <poningru> ah
[11:02] <highvoltage> poningru: i use qwerty too, been wanting to switch for the longest time, but can't afford it.
[11:04] <poningru> hehe too true
[11:05] <Burgundavia> huh? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnologyChoices
[11:06] <Madpilot> what's that page *for*?
[11:07] <highvoltage> hmmm.. good question. i can kinda see what they tried to do.
[11:07] <highvoltage> i wonder what "conforming programs" and non-conforming programs are.
[11:07] <Burgundavia> I like the term "no useful content"
[11:07] <Burgundavia> it is so broad
[11:08] <highvoltage> oh, there it's gone :)
[11:08] <Madpilot> have you already killed that page?
[11:08] <Burgundavia> yes
[11:08] <highvoltage> i wish people would log on when they edit pages, at least you can contact them if you need to find out why they created it.
[11:08] <Burgundavia> they must
[11:08] <Burgundavia> the adsl stuff is the wiki auto importer
[11:09] <highvoltage> that page was edited by an adsl-someting-something, was that a username?
[11:09] <highvoltage> aaaaah
[11:09] <highvoltage> imported from where?
[11:09] <Burgundavia> the old wiki
[11:11] <poningru> question
[11:11] <poningru> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OpenOffice2Beta
[11:11] <poningru> why is that like that?
[11:12] <poningru> shouldnt we just say just update when the rep updates
[11:12] <Madpilot> OO2 is in the repos anyway
[11:12] <Madpilot> I keep meaning to install it to try it out
[11:13] <poningru> its good
[11:13] <poningru> oh btw I am talking about that scritp
[11:13] <poningru> sigh script
[11:13] <Madpilot> I assume that script gets the very, very latest crack of OOo2, instead of whatever is in the repos?
[11:14] <Burgundavia> the breezy repos have the newest crack
[11:14] <Burgundavia> just needs a backport
[11:14] <Burgundavia> along with about a whole sh*tload of java
[11:14] <Madpilot> hmmm. maybe just ditch the script in favour of info on adding the breezy repos to hoary?
[11:15] <Burgundavia> no
[11:15] <Madpilot> or should that all just go into BreakMyUbuntu?
[11:15] <Burgundavia> tell the person to use hoary-backports
[11:15] <Burgundavia> s/tell the person/edit the page to say
[11:15] <Madpilot> that's even simpler
[11:15] <poningru> yeah
[11:15] <poningru> thats what I was thinking of
[11:16] <poningru> do we use user pages?
[11:16] <Burgundavia> what do you mean?
[11:16] <poningru> cause I just wanted to add articles to do list to my page
[11:16] <poningru> like wikipedia has user pages
[11:16] <poningru> which allow a user to keep his/her own page
[11:16] <Madpilot> you can subscribe to a page, i know
[11:17] <poningru> hmm
[11:17] <Madpilot> and your subscribed articles are listed on your User Prefs page
[11:18] <highvoltage> where would you download OOo2MenuItems.tar.gz? it doesn't say that in the howto.
[11:19] <Burgundavia> hoary backports is the way to go for that page
[11:19] <Madpilot> here's more info: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30866&page=1&pp=10
[11:20] <Burgundavia> seb payne is that 16 year old I was telling you about, Madpilot 
[11:21] <Madpilot> here: http://www.evolutioncolt.com/mainweb/?q=node/11
[11:22] <Madpilot> that's what the wiki page is based on I think - the Ubuntu forum link is dead
[11:25] <poningru> ooh when did canonical change their website
[11:25] <poningru> pretty
[11:30] <Burgundavia> looks very similar to the ubuntu one, so I assume the same time
[11:31] <poningru> looks different to me
[11:32] <Burgundavia> same css, different colours
[11:33] <poningru> anywhere I can find the ubuntu history page?
[11:33] <poningru> ah true
[11:33] <Madpilot> css makes that sort of trick so *easy*, it's great
[11:34] <poningru> hehe so true
[11:34] <rob^> hey, what wiki package do we use?
[11:34] <Burgundavia> history page?
[11:34] <Burgundavia> rob^, moinmoin
[11:34] <rob^> Burgundavia, ah ok
[11:34] <rob^> thanks
[11:37] <Madpilot> just added this: http://linuxcommand.org/  to the UserDocumentation page, right down at the bottom
[11:37] <Madpilot> with "other resources"
[11:40] <Madpilot> hmmm... Totem doesn't have a wiki page at all...
[11:40] <Burgundavia> no
[11:42] <Madpilot> likewise XPDF, even if it does bite
[11:42] <Burgundavia> xpdf is crap
[11:42] <Burgundavia> talk about evince
[11:42] <Burgundavia> and anyway, wikipages should probably be mostly tasked based
[11:43] <Madpilot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation  <-- there's a whole raft of links here to app-specific pages
[11:43] <Burgundavia> yes
[11:44] <Madpilot> but many of them aren't the default apps anyway, AFAIK
[11:44] <Burgundavia> indeed
[11:44] <Burgundavia> we need to promote existing applications and soutions
[11:44] <Burgundavia> the bittorrent page could use some love
[11:46] <poningru> hehe please dont decide on azureus for that
[11:46] <Madpilot> I know zip about BT, wouldn't know where to start
[11:46] <Burgundavia> pretty easy
[11:46] <Burgundavia> you click on the link and it happens
[11:47] <poningru> rofl
[11:47] <Madpilot> funny guy. I don't use FF, remember?
[11:47] <Burgundavia> we need slightly more featureful application
[11:47] <Burgundavia> sorry, we don't support Opera
[11:47] <Madpilot> slightly more what?
[11:47] <poningru> Madpilot: what do you use?
[11:47] <Madpilot> Opera
[11:47] <poningru> wow
[11:47] <Burgundavia> currently, it is one link to one window
[11:47] <poningru> erhm sorry didnt mean anything by it
[11:47] <Burgundavia> would be nice to bring it into one window
[11:48] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: I really don't know what you're talking about...
[11:49] <Burgundavia> basically each bittorrent you have open is a seperate window and seperate app
[11:50] <Burgundavia> makes it difficult to store stuff over a reboot, because you have to remember where you put it
[11:51] <poningru> thats true
[11:51] <poningru> linux really doesnt have any good bt clients
[11:52] <Madpilot> that's with GNOME torrents?
[11:52] <poningru> well there is azureus
[11:52] <Burgundavia> I saw a mockup that someone posted a while ago
[11:52] <Burgundavia> azureus is waaay too many buttons
[11:52] <poningru> but its pretty resource hogish
[11:52] <poningru> yeah
[11:52] <poningru> what I like is ABC
[11:52] <poningru> but their linux release is limited to the 6 month old release
[11:53] <Burgundavia> ouch
[11:53] <poningru> its limited to just the good features
[11:53] <poningru> yeah
[11:53] <poningru> my sis using win loves it
[11:53] <poningru> I love it too
[11:53] <poningru> but too bad I cant use it
[11:54] <Burgundavia> night all!
[11:56] <poningru> do we have a basic glossary page?
[11:57] <Madpilot> no idea. if not, we need one.
[11:57] <poningru> yeah
[11:57] <poningru> how long ago was this wiki started?
[11:57] <Madpilot> no idea there either
[11:58] <Madpilot> searchig "Glossary" got me no hits except an italian page
[11:58] <poningru> hmm yeah
[11:58] <poningru> gaah I have to go run
[11:58] <poningru> talk to you later dude
[11:59] <Madpilot> later
[10:22] <Kinnison> hey burgey
[10:26] <Burgundavia> salut Kinnison 
[10:28] <Kinnison> wooyay
[10:28] <Burgundavia> what about you? what is new in lp land
[10:35] <Burgundavia> cool