| Octane | i am trying to get my first package going and am wondering -- should i apt-get source it (i want to craete a package for a newer version) or should i get the source from the web | 12:22 |
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| crimsun | both | 12:29 |
| crimsun | Octane: both. | 12:32 |
| Octane | crimsun: thanks | 12:33 |
| Octane | crimsun: i just realized -- could use the source's /debian files for guidance | 12:33 |
| crimsun | Octane: it really depends how you wish to learn it. You sometimes can produce an updated deb by simplying uupdating | 12:33 |
| crimsun | a decent reference is the Debian New Maintainer's Guide | 12:34 |
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| Octane | how does one make the .install files | 01:16 |
| Octane | i know its a general question i mean at what point do they get created | 01:16 |
| Lathiat | .install files? | 01:19 |
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| Octane | the <package>.install | 01:23 |
| Octane | in debian dir | 01:23 |
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| crimsun | Octane: with debhelper | 01:37 |
| Octane | crimsun: dh_make? | 01:40 |
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| SloMoSnail | hmm... does somebody know how i can restore my umlauts, at-sign etc ;) (i've finally upgrade to breezy...) | 02:49 |
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| sebest | SloMoSnail: what is umlauts? | 03:12 |
| sebest | @ ? | 03:12 |
| SloMoSnail | nope... some german characters... for example an a with two dots on the top... | 03:13 |
| SloMoSnail | but @ doesn't work too ;) | 03:13 |
| sebest | i think i add the same problem but with french character, you have a modifier that doesn't work? | 03:14 |
| sebest | me, it was the "shitf" key | 03:14 |
| sebest | so i just add it back with xmodmap | 03:14 |
| SloMoSnail | that too... but the umlauts are normally available without a modifier key ;) | 03:15 |
| SloMoSnail | well... i have to look at it tomorrow :) i need sleep... | 03:15 |
| sebest | try to have a look in your xmodmap file , i think it's located in /usr/share/xmodmap | 03:15 |
| sebest | btw do you have the xmodmap binary? | 03:16 |
| SloMoSnail | no ;) | 03:16 |
| sebest | you need it :) | 03:16 |
| SloMoSnail | yeah... but why isn't it installed by default anymore? | 03:16 |
| sebest | i think it's because Xorg is in the processed of being modularized | 03:17 |
| sebest | in breezy | 03:17 |
| sebest | basically all these tools where in one package, and they are not in many different one, and it seems that they are not all ready | 03:17 |
| sebest | in think it's xbase-clients that is being split | 03:18 |
| SloMoSnail | most probably... well, at least now everything compiles again against the modularized X ;) | 03:18 |
| sebest | i fetch my xmodmap from my hoary install | 03:18 |
| sebest | and other xkb tools are available in xkbutils | 03:19 |
| SloMoSnail | thanks... and good night everybody :) | 03:25 |
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| desrt | word. | 03:53 |
| desrt | is there a way to find out who is responsible for a particular pacakge? | 03:53 |
| desrt | (package, too) | 03:53 |
| Burgundavia | desrt, in Ubuntu? | 03:54 |
| desrt | yes | 03:54 |
| desrt | i want to figure out who the master who takes care of a particular package is... but the Maintainer: just lists the debian maint. | 03:55 |
| Burgundavia | afaik, Ubuntu is far more loose about package ownership | 03:55 |
| Burgundavia | but generally people stick to specific areas | 03:55 |
| desrt | ah.. so who would i talk to about getting patches into breezy's muine? | 03:55 |
| Burgundavia | tseng | 03:55 |
| desrt | tseng; beep. | 03:56 |
| desrt | lots of familiar faces around here :) | 03:56 |
| Amaranth | desrt: if the patches fix inotify i'll kiss you | 03:56 |
| desrt | Amaranth; no such luck | 03:57 |
| desrt | Amaranth; just some focus fixes | 03:57 |
| Amaranth | what are they for? | 03:57 |
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| Amaranth | ah | 03:57 |
| Amaranth | you can't send those upstream? | 03:57 |
| desrt | and improved tray icon behaviour, if they'll be accepted | 03:57 |
| desrt | upstream already has them | 03:57 |
| Amaranth | ah | 03:57 |
| Amaranth | shouldn't be a problem then | 03:57 |
| desrt | they did a fairly large rewrite... but there's a one-liner that will work with the muine in breezy | 03:57 |
| Amaranth | o_O | 03:57 |
| desrt | well... breezy is UVFrozen | 03:57 |
| Amaranth | universe is rather loose right now | 03:58 |
| Amaranth | so is main, actaully | 03:58 |
| desrt | huh | 03:58 |
| Amaranth | basically on the day of UVF all that happens is the merge-o-matic stops getting things from debian | 03:58 |
| desrt | ok. the problem is, then, that the new version hasn't been released yet :) | 03:58 |
| Amaranth | but as we go on things tighten up | 03:58 |
| Amaranth | ah, that's always a problem | 03:58 |
| Amaranth | please tell me the rewrite doesn't use gst-sharp | 03:59 |
| desrt | i doubt it | 03:59 |
| desrt | although i really wish it would | 03:59 |
| Amaranth | Sure, if gst-sharp would ever actually release. | 03:59 |
| desrt | :) | 03:59 |
| Amaranth | Or, you know, build from one day to the next. | 03:59 |
| Amaranth | it's actually so bad that sonance comes with a prebuilt DLL | 04:00 |
| desrt | "release never, release infrequently" | 04:01 |
| Tonio- | hi again ;) | 04:02 |
| Tonio- | does anyone have informations about multiverse organisation and updates ? | 04:03 |
| bddebian | What do you mean by organization? | 04:03 |
| Tonio- | I may package a graphical frontend to mencoder, but that requires version 1.0pre7 | 04:03 |
| Burgundavia | Tonio-, what sort of info are you looking for | 04:03 |
| Tonio- | offically release for 3 months | 04:03 |
| Tonio- | version is old in breezy | 04:03 |
| Tonio- | so.......... I cannot package ;) | 04:03 |
| Burgundavia | Tonio-, you can package the new version | 04:04 |
| Tonio- | I would just like to know how to request or submit updates for the multiverse content ;) | 04:04 |
| Burgundavia | of mencoder | 04:04 |
| Burgundavia | and then stick it up on REVU | 04:04 |
| Tonio- | okay | 04:04 |
| Tonio- | anotther problem | 04:04 |
| Burgundavia | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU | 04:04 |
| Tonio- | actually mencoder is realsed in the form of 6 or seven packages ;) | 04:04 |
| Tonio- | I know that Burgundavia , but due to the fact that mencoder has version for all kind off processors, I may not be able to comile for all | 04:05 |
| Tonio- | I'm confused with it ;) | 04:05 |
| Amaranth | you don't compile anything | 04:07 |
| Burgundavia | mencoder is part of the mplayer source package | 04:07 |
| Amaranth | you make sure it works, upload a source package (someone does this for you), and the buildds do the compiling for all the archs | 04:07 |
| bddebian | Still no libdebtags1-dev? | 04:09 |
| bddebian | Holy crap, I see that UniverseUnmetDeps still needs lot o' lovin'.. | 04:11 |
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| bddebian | If we are actually able to build packages on UniverseUnmetDeps, where should they go? Do they belong on REVU or just post a link to my own archive for an MOTU to look at? | 04:23 |
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| tseng | desrt: ? | 05:20 |
| desrt | tseng; would you accept some patches to muine? | 05:20 |
| tseng | depends what they do | 05:20 |
| desrt | one is a one-liner to fix focusing of the "add album/song" windows when using muine-shell | 05:20 |
| desrt | the other changes the behaviour of the tray icon | 05:21 |
| tseng | the one you checked into cvs? | 05:21 |
| Tonio- | hi guys ;) | 05:21 |
| tseng | ignore single click or something | 05:21 |
| desrt | i didn't check any of them into cvs | 05:21 |
| tseng | uh | 05:21 |
| desrt | oh. that. ok. so i did check that one in :) | 05:21 |
| desrt | no. this is something else :) | 05:21 |
| desrt | it's more substantial changes | 05:21 |
| desrt | left click: hide/show window | 05:22 |
| desrt | middle click: play/pause | 05:22 |
| desrt | right click: context menu | 05:22 |
| desrt | + add a "quit" item to the context menu | 05:22 |
| tseng | uh | 05:22 |
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| tseng | how does jorn feal about this | 05:22 |
| Tonio- | getting this during pbuilder, and I'm not able to find the package.... | 05:22 |
| desrt | + clicking [x] on the playlist dialog doesn't close the entire app | 05:22 |
| Tonio- | checking for Subversion headers... not found | 05:22 |
| desrt | tseng; no idea. he seems dead lately | 05:22 |
| Tonio- | no -dev package concerning subversion................. | 05:22 |
| tseng | i am used to it the way it is | 05:22 |
| desrt | tseng; that's a suprisingly effective argument | 05:23 |
| tseng | heh well | 05:23 |
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| desrt | tseng; but you must admit that the changes would make you happy after a day or two of adjustment :) | 05:23 |
| tseng | it sounds like a decent idea | 05:23 |
| tseng | but id rather them go into cvs or something first | 05:23 |
| desrt | the focus fix patch should be an ubuntu vendor patch | 05:23 |
| Amaranth | desrt: fork! ;) | 05:24 |
| desrt | since it's fixed (properly) in CVS | 05:24 |
| desrt | but the fix is quite large | 05:24 |
| tseng | hm | 05:24 |
| tseng | crappy | 05:24 |
| desrt | see bug #303333 | 05:24 |
| tseng | gnome bug? | 05:24 |
| desrt | yes | 05:24 |
| desrt | only gnome is so buggy as to have that many :) | 05:24 |
| tseng | im sure moz.org is comparable | 05:25 |
| desrt | tseng; my first attachment on that bug | 05:25 |
| desrt | i'll open an enh request for the new tray icon stuff, i suppose | 05:25 |
| desrt | #312110 | 05:30 |
| desrt | all of my muine bugs seem to get pretty numbers :) | 05:30 |
| desrt | btw: http://www.desrt.ca/code/trayicon/ | 05:31 |
| desrt | TrayIcon.dll.breezy has the updated functionality (toss it in your plugins dir as TrayIcon.dll) | 05:31 |
| desrt | source is there too if you want | 05:31 |
| desrt | TrayIcon.dll is against HEAD and is API incompat with the muine in breezy | 05:32 |
| tseng | uh | 05:33 |
| tseng | im not that excited about any of this stuff | 05:33 |
| tseng | not to mention im sick as a dog, so ill look at it later | 05:34 |
| desrt | fair enough :) | 05:34 |
| tseng | thanks. | 05:37 |
| |QuaD- | reviewing (NEW or updated)? go | 05:40 |
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| LaserJock | Hi all, I have a question about packages that need .desktop files, i.e. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile | 08:14 |
| LaserJock | What exactly is needed to be done? | 08:15 |
| Amaranth | create a .desktop file | 08:24 |
| LaserJock | It seems kinda obvious and simple to do that I kinda thought it would have already been done | 08:25 |
| Amaranth | well, it's very low priority | 08:27 |
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| LaserJock | well, it happens to be one of my pet peeves and I'm not much of a coder so maybe I could work on it | 08:28 |
| Amaranth | tseng: have you ever seen http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1019 ? | 08:28 |
| Amaranth | LaserJock: Go ahead. | 08:28 |
| Amaranth | http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ and http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/ | 08:29 |
| Amaranth | the relevant part in the spec spec is appendix a | 08:29 |
| LaserJock | thanks for the info | 08:30 |
| Amaranth | err in the menu spec | 08:31 |
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| HostingGeek | http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-12/ nice | 09:14 |
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| Burgundavia | Unfrgiven, is this page useful to you? Will it cause more harm than good? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToBuildDebianPackagesFromScratch | 10:58 |
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| herve | morning | 11:05 |
| ajmitch | hi herve | 11:07 |
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| neverstable | hello is there n y body help me about ubuntu | 11:22 |
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| sladen | lots of people, just ask! | 11:23 |
| sladen | or better still, try #ubuntu-users and stick around for more than 30seconds | 11:23 |
| Burgundavia | sladen, that would be just #ubuntu | 11:24 |
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| sladen | yeah, good point | 11:31 |
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| slomo | hi siretart | 12:11 |
| tseng | Amaranth: not a fan | 12:18 |
| tseng | hi | 12:25 |
| Lathiat | tseng: any idea how to make a rewriterule which would put any query string on the end of the request | 12:30 |
| tseng | Lathiat: hm no | 12:30 |
| tseng | Lathiat: i hate mod_rewrite | 12:30 |
| Lathiat | like match for a ?(anything) and put it in $3 so i can stick &$3 in the rewriterule | 12:30 |
| Lathiat | tseng: heh, why ? | 12:30 |
| Lathiat | i'm tryign to make my urls such that /stores/test/ is essentially /, the /stores/test/ is to give me the store id test so bookmarking urls etc work... whats a better way to achieve that? | 12:31 |
| tseng | its hard to use | 12:31 |
| Lathiat | and i thought while i was at it i might get rid of some other query stringy things | 12:31 |
| tseng | we did redirect warez kids coming to my friends server after someone leaked the link to Gorillaz to tubgirl, however | 12:31 |
| Lathiat | heh | 12:32 |
| Lathiat | ouch ;p | 12:32 |
| Lathiat | bleh, did i mention i hate doing web development? | 12:32 |
| tseng | hm, i like it | 12:32 |
| tseng | but im not strictly web, i have a huge snmp engine fueling it | 12:32 |
| Lathiat | tseng: ok how bout... how could i make a regex match that tested for ?<something> and stuck <something> in a match, but the ? doesnt need to be present | 12:33 |
| Lathiat | i really need to learn to speak regexs one day | 12:33 |
| tseng | in sed i would use s:foo:bar:g | 12:33 |
| tseng | not sure if/how that translates to mod_rewrite :/ | 12:34 |
| Lathiat | umm like | 12:34 |
| Lathiat | a replacement isnt what i want | 12:34 |
| Lathiat | hrm | 12:34 |
| Lathiat | oh well | 12:34 |
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| siretart | hi folks | 02:38 |
| Mez | lo | 02:39 |
| \sh | what r we doing with the xfce4 stuff? | 02:44 |
| slomo | \sh: afaik the xfce team works on that... ogra said me to leave alone the xfce stuff ;) | 03:04 |
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| \sh | slomo: ok then :) so I can try to fix the other stuff *grmpf* | 03:26 |
| \sh | slomo: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/i/imms/2.0.3-2ubuntu3/ | 03:31 |
| slomo | \sh: good work :D | 03:32 |
| \sh | slomo: at least | 03:34 |
| \sh | hmmm...does anybody have a logitech quickcam? | 03:38 |
| \sh | quickcam express ? | 03:38 |
| \sh | usb? | 03:38 |
| === mitsuhiko has one but no breezy | ||
| \sh | mitsuhiko: u tried it with gnomemeeting? | 03:54 |
| mitsuhiko | \sh: the cam doesn't work with ubuntu :( | 03:54 |
| \sh | it should with the drivers | 03:55 |
| mitsuhiko | next week i will install breezy and check this | 03:55 |
| \sh | i'm trying now | 03:56 |
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| \sh | grmpf...doesn't work...no /dev/video... | 04:31 |
| \sh | well..I just created the devices...but even then :( | 04:31 |
| herve | \sh, is it related to the message that just arrived at the ubuntu-devel list? | 04:48 |
| \sh | no...I just loaded it | 04:55 |
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| \sh | but it doesn't work as expected | 04:56 |
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| Tonio- | hi everyone | 04:59 |
| Tonio- | trying to package kdesvn, a frontend for svn, and I receive this during configure : | 05:00 |
| Tonio- | checking for Subversion headers... not found | 05:00 |
| Tonio- | I haven't been able to find such a package in hoary or breezy.... | 05:00 |
| herve | probably some package like subversion-dev or libsvn-dev | 05:00 |
| Tonio- | no dev package for subversion.... | 05:00 |
| herve | if you know a file name its missing | 05:00 |
| herve | it would be easy to find | 05:01 |
| herve | I mean from what package this missing file comes | 05:01 |
| Tonio- | libsvn-dev ahhhhhhhh I didn't chek with svn instead of subversion ;) | 05:01 |
| Tonio- | let me try | 05:01 |
| Amaranth | libsvn0-dev - development files for Subversion (aka. svn) libraries | 05:01 |
| Amaranth | *cough* | 05:01 |
| Tonio- | nice ;))))) | 05:01 |
| Tonio- | it seems I was tired when trying | 05:02 |
| Tonio- | or maybe just stupid !! | 05:02 |
| Tonio- | very good thanks, I repackage immediatly | 05:02 |
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| gradzac | inetd is the standard superserver for ubuntu, right? | 06:30 |
| gradzac | i'm asking cause shouldn't the xinetd package be marked to replace inetd?? | 06:32 |
| Treenaks | no | 06:32 |
| Treenaks | they can run together, and don't share files | 06:32 |
| gradzac | but does it make sense to have both on the same system? | 06:33 |
| Treenaks | that's nto the point... its _possible_ to run both at the same time with no ill effects, so it's allowed | 06:33 |
| gradzac | is xinetd/inetd something that has been discussed in the past? | 06:34 |
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| zyga | gradzac: didn't xinetd have a funny license? | 07:11 |
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| gradzac | zyga: yes, it appears so.....definately not GPL | 07:35 |
| === zyga would prefer apple's startup service instead of .?inetd | ||
| Amaranth | launchd is crack for linux | 07:50 |
| Amaranth | for one, it uses plists | 07:50 |
| Amaranth | and XML | 07:50 |
| Amaranth | which only works for apple because they use plists and XML for _everything_ so it's expected | 07:50 |
| zyga | Amaranth: plists? | 07:52 |
| zyga | Amaranth: I for one, welcome our XML overlords... | 07:52 |
| Amaranth | http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/PropertyLists/Concepts/XMLPListsConcept.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/20001011-BBCBDBJE | 07:52 |
| Amaranth | i've spent way too much time messing with plists, so i'm probably biased | 07:53 |
| Amaranth | but i hate them | 07:53 |
| gradzac | A Redhat version I used had a gnome GUI for chkconfig that I really liked | 07:53 |
| zyga | Amaranth: why exactly? | 07:53 |
| gradzac | and I liked chkconfig in general | 07:54 |
| Amaranth | zyga: because i had to figure out wtf iTunes was doing with them and then write a parser | 07:54 |
| gradzac | I wish debian/ubuntu used that | 07:54 |
| zyga | Amaranth: I ment, why do you hate them? | 07:54 |
| Amaranth | i just answered that | 07:54 |
| zyga | hmm | 07:55 |
| zyga | I don't grok your approach but that's fine | 07:55 |
| zyga | Amaranth: what was it parsing apart from xml? | 07:56 |
| Amaranth | the iTunes Music Store uses plists as a communication protocol | 07:56 |
| zyga | it looks like a simple serialization stuff for objc foundation stuff | 07:58 |
| Amaranth | sure, the hard part was figuring out what iTunes does with what it receives and what it sends out, which is why i say i'm biased | 07:59 |
| zyga | I see now | 07:59 |
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| Mo42 | hi! i have done a package for gnomeradio and would like put it in universe. is that possible? | 10:13 |
| siretart | Mo42: great! of course we want it! | 10:14 |
| Mo42 | the source package and a binary for amd64 is at http://mo42.ath.cx/ubuntu/sources/gnomeradio/ | 10:15 |
| siretart | Mo42: if you think your package is ready for inclusion (build dependencies are correct, builds in pbuilder and are linda/lintian clean) you are welcome to upload it to revu, our reviewing tool! | 10:15 |
| Mo42 | well, linda seems to be broken on breezy/amd64... | 10:15 |
| Mo42 | but lintian has no error, but a warning because there is no manpage | 10:16 |
| Lathiat | s/linda/everything | 10:16 |
| siretart | at the first glance, your package seems fine | 10:17 |
| siretart | Mo42: do you have a gpg key? | 10:17 |
| Mo42 | and it builds in pbuilder (looks like the build-deps are fine) and SloMoSnail tried to compile it on ppc and that seems to work, too | 10:17 |
| Mo42 | siretart: yes | 10:17 |
| siretart | coool! | 10:17 |
| siretart | Mo42: give me your keyid, then, I'll add you to the revu keyring, then | 10:18 |
| Mo42 | siretart: 80E0C374 | 10:18 |
| Mo42 | the packages are all signed with that key | 10:18 |
| siretart | Mo42: great. I added you to the revu keyring. you may proceed with uploading it now | 10:19 |
| Mo42 | how do i do that? | 10:19 |
| siretart | Mo42: have a look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU | 10:20 |
| siretart | I tried to explain that there as good as possible | 10:20 |
| Mo42 | oh wait... i have copied the description from the homepage and have not asked for permission... | 10:20 |
| Mo42 | perhaps i should ask the author before that | 10:20 |
| siretart | hm. no, I think that description is ok | 10:21 |
| Mo42 | okay | 10:22 |
| herve | ++ | 10:26 |
| siretart | Mo42: please use "debuid -S -sa" (or dpkg-buildpackage | 10:32 |
| siretart | with same options) | 10:32 |
| siretart | Mo42: your upload didn't include the orig.tar.gz | 10:32 |
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| Mo42 | siretart: sorry, but have already fixed that | 10:34 |
| Mo42 | and uploaded it again with orig.tar.gz | 10:34 |
| siretart | yes, great | 10:35 |
| siretart | I will have a look at it tomorrow, now I really need to get some sleep :( | 10:35 |
| Mo42 | okay, thanks! | 10:36 |
| SloMoSnail | and i'll vote for it later ;) | 10:38 |
| SloMoSnail | gn8 siretart | 10:38 |
| siretart | gn8 folks | 10:39 |
| Mo42 | gn8 siretart | 10:39 |
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