[12:22] <Octane> i am trying to get my first package going and am wondering -- should i apt-get source it (i want to craete a package for a newer version) or should i get the source from the web
[12:29] <crimsun> both
[12:32] <crimsun> Octane: both.
[12:33] <Octane> crimsun: thanks
[12:33] <Octane> crimsun: i just realized -- could use the source's /debian files for guidance
[12:33] <crimsun> Octane: it really depends how you wish to learn it. You sometimes can produce an updated deb by simplying uupdating
[12:34] <crimsun> a decent reference is the Debian New Maintainer's Guide
[01:16] <Octane> how does one make the .install files
[01:16] <Octane> i know its a general question i mean at what point do they get created
[01:19] <Lathiat> .install files?
[01:23] <Octane> the <package>.install
[01:23] <Octane> in debian dir
[01:37] <crimsun> Octane: with debhelper
[01:40] <Octane> crimsun: dh_make?
[02:49] <SloMoSnail> hmm... does somebody know how i can restore my umlauts, at-sign etc ;) (i've finally upgrade to breezy...)
[03:12] <sebest> SloMoSnail: what is umlauts?
[03:12] <sebest> @ ?
[03:13] <SloMoSnail> nope... some german characters... for example an a with two dots on the top...
[03:13] <SloMoSnail> but @ doesn't work too ;)
[03:14] <sebest> i think i add the same problem but with french character, you have a modifier that doesn't work?
[03:14] <sebest> me, it was the "shitf" key
[03:14] <sebest> so i just add it back with xmodmap
[03:15] <SloMoSnail> that too... but the umlauts are normally available without a modifier key ;)
[03:15] <SloMoSnail> well... i have to look at it tomorrow :) i need sleep...
[03:15] <sebest> try to have a look in your xmodmap file , i think it's located in /usr/share/xmodmap
[03:16] <sebest> btw do you have the xmodmap binary?
[03:16] <SloMoSnail> no ;)
[03:16] <sebest> you need it :)
[03:16] <SloMoSnail> yeah... but why isn't it installed by default anymore?
[03:17] <sebest> i think it's because Xorg is in the processed of being modularized
[03:17] <sebest> in breezy
[03:17] <sebest> basically all these tools where in one package, and they are not in many different one, and it seems that they are not all ready
[03:18] <sebest> in think it's xbase-clients that is being split
[03:18] <SloMoSnail> most probably... well, at least now everything compiles again against the modularized X ;)
[03:18] <sebest> i fetch my xmodmap from my hoary install
[03:19] <sebest> and other xkb tools are available in xkbutils
[03:25] <SloMoSnail> thanks... and good night everybody :)
[03:53] <desrt> word.
[03:53] <desrt> is there a way to find out who is responsible for a particular pacakge?
[03:53] <desrt> (package, too)
[03:54] <Burgundavia> desrt, in Ubuntu?
[03:54] <desrt> yes
[03:55] <desrt> i want to figure out who the master who takes care of a particular package is... but the Maintainer: just lists the debian maint.
[03:55] <Burgundavia> afaik, Ubuntu is far more loose about package ownership
[03:55] <Burgundavia> but generally people stick to specific areas
[03:55] <desrt> ah.. so who would i talk to about getting patches into breezy's muine?
[03:55] <Burgundavia> tseng
[03:56] <desrt> tseng; beep.
[03:56] <desrt> lots of familiar faces around here :)
[03:56] <Amaranth> desrt: if the patches fix inotify i'll kiss you
[03:57] <desrt> Amaranth; no such luck
[03:57] <desrt> Amaranth; just some focus fixes
[03:57] <Amaranth> what are they for?
[03:57] <Amaranth> ah
[03:57] <Amaranth> you can't send those upstream?
[03:57] <desrt> and improved tray icon behaviour, if they'll be accepted
[03:57] <desrt> upstream already has them
[03:57] <Amaranth> ah
[03:57] <Amaranth> shouldn't be a problem then
[03:57] <desrt> they did a fairly large rewrite... but there's a one-liner that will work with the muine in breezy
[03:57] <Amaranth> o_O
[03:57] <desrt> well... breezy is UVFrozen
[03:58] <Amaranth> universe is rather loose right now
[03:58] <Amaranth> so is main, actaully
[03:58] <desrt> huh
[03:58] <Amaranth> basically on the day of UVF all that happens is the merge-o-matic stops getting things from debian
[03:58] <desrt> ok.  the problem is, then, that the new version hasn't been released yet :)
[03:58] <Amaranth> but as we go on things tighten up
[03:58] <Amaranth> ah, that's always a problem
[03:59] <Amaranth> please tell me the rewrite doesn't use gst-sharp
[03:59] <desrt> i doubt it
[03:59] <desrt> although i really wish it would
[03:59] <Amaranth> Sure, if gst-sharp would ever actually release.
[03:59] <desrt> :)
[03:59] <Amaranth> Or, you know, build from one day to the next.
[04:00] <Amaranth> it's actually so bad that sonance comes with a prebuilt DLL
[04:01] <desrt> "release never, release infrequently"
[04:02] <Tonio-> hi again ;)
[04:03] <Tonio-> does anyone have informations about multiverse organisation and updates ?
[04:03] <bddebian> What do you mean by organization?
[04:03] <Tonio-> I may package a graphical frontend to mencoder, but that requires version 1.0pre7
[04:03] <Burgundavia> Tonio-, what sort of info are you looking for
[04:03] <Tonio-> offically release for 3 months
[04:03] <Tonio-> version is old in breezy
[04:03] <Tonio-> so.......... I cannot package ;)
[04:04] <Burgundavia> Tonio-, you can package the new version
[04:04] <Tonio-> I would just like to know how to request or submit updates for the multiverse content ;)
[04:04] <Burgundavia> of mencoder
[04:04] <Burgundavia> and then stick it up on REVU
[04:04] <Tonio-> okay
[04:04] <Tonio-> anotther problem
[04:04] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU
[04:04] <Tonio-> actually mencoder is realsed in the form of 6 or seven packages ;)
[04:05] <Tonio-> I know that Burgundavia , but due to the fact that mencoder has version for all kind off processors, I may not be able to comile for all
[04:05] <Tonio-> I'm confused with it ;)
[04:07] <Amaranth> you don't compile anything
[04:07] <Burgundavia> mencoder is part of the mplayer source package
[04:07] <Amaranth> you make sure it works, upload a source package (someone does this for you), and the buildds do the compiling for all the archs
[04:09] <bddebian> Still no libdebtags1-dev?
[04:11] <bddebian> Holy crap, I see that UniverseUnmetDeps still needs lot o' lovin'..
[04:23] <bddebian> If we are actually able to build packages on UniverseUnmetDeps, where should they go?  Do they belong on REVU or just post a link to my own archive for an MOTU to look at?
[05:20] <tseng> desrt: ?
[05:20] <desrt> tseng; would you accept some patches to muine?
[05:20] <tseng> depends what they do
[05:20] <desrt> one is a one-liner to fix focusing of the "add album/song" windows when using muine-shell
[05:21] <desrt> the other changes the behaviour of the tray icon
[05:21] <tseng> the one you checked into cvs?
[05:21] <Tonio-> hi guys ;)
[05:21] <tseng> ignore single click or something
[05:21] <desrt> i didn't check any of them into cvs
[05:21] <tseng> uh
[05:21] <desrt> oh.  that.  ok.  so i did check that one in :)
[05:21] <desrt> no.  this is something else :)
[05:21] <desrt> it's more substantial changes
[05:22] <desrt> left click: hide/show window
[05:22] <desrt> middle click: play/pause
[05:22] <desrt> right click: context menu
[05:22] <desrt> + add a "quit" item to the context menu
[05:22] <tseng> uh
[05:22] <tseng> how does jorn feal about this
[05:22] <Tonio-> getting this during pbuilder, and I'm not able to find the package....
[05:22] <desrt> + clicking [x]  on the playlist dialog doesn't close the entire app
[05:22] <Tonio-> checking for Subversion headers... not found
[05:22] <desrt> tseng; no idea.  he seems dead lately
[05:22] <Tonio-> no -dev package concerning subversion.................
[05:22] <tseng> i am used to it the way it is
[05:23] <desrt> tseng; that's a suprisingly effective argument
[05:23] <tseng> heh well
[05:23] <desrt> tseng; but you must admit that the changes would make you happy after a day or two of adjustment :)
[05:23] <tseng> it sounds like a decent idea
[05:23] <tseng> but id rather them go into cvs or something first
[05:23] <desrt> the focus fix patch should be an ubuntu vendor patch
[05:24] <Amaranth> desrt: fork! ;)
[05:24] <desrt> since it's fixed (properly) in CVS
[05:24] <desrt> but the fix is quite large
[05:24] <tseng> hm
[05:24] <tseng> crappy
[05:24] <desrt> see bug #303333
[05:24] <tseng> gnome bug?
[05:24] <desrt> yes
[05:24] <desrt> only gnome is so buggy as to have that many :)
[05:25] <tseng> im sure moz.org is comparable
[05:25] <desrt> tseng; my first attachment on that bug
[05:25] <desrt> i'll open an enh request for the new tray icon stuff, i suppose
[05:30] <desrt> #312110
[05:30] <desrt> all of my muine bugs seem to get pretty numbers :)
[05:31] <desrt> btw: http://www.desrt.ca/code/trayicon/
[05:31] <desrt> TrayIcon.dll.breezy has the updated functionality (toss it in your plugins dir as TrayIcon.dll)
[05:31] <desrt> source is there too if you want
[05:32] <desrt> TrayIcon.dll is against HEAD and is API incompat with the muine in breezy
[05:33] <tseng> uh
[05:33] <tseng> im not that excited about any of this stuff
[05:34] <tseng> not to mention im sick as a dog, so ill look at it later
[05:34] <desrt> fair enough :)
[05:37] <tseng> thanks.
[05:40] <|QuaD->  reviewing (NEW or updated)? go
[08:14] <LaserJock> Hi all, I have a question about  packages that need .desktop files, i.e. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile
[08:15] <LaserJock> What exactly is needed to be done?
[08:24] <Amaranth> create a .desktop file
[08:25] <LaserJock> It seems kinda obvious and simple to do that I kinda thought it would have already been done
[08:27] <Amaranth> well, it's very low priority
[08:28] <LaserJock> well, it happens to be one of my pet peeves and I'm not much of a coder so maybe I could work on it
[08:28] <Amaranth> tseng: have you ever seen http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1019 ?
[08:28] <Amaranth> LaserJock: Go ahead.
[08:29] <Amaranth> http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ and http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/
[08:29] <Amaranth> the relevant part in the spec spec is appendix a
[08:30] <LaserJock> thanks for the info
[08:31] <Amaranth> err in the menu spec
[09:14] <HostingGeek> http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-12/ nice
[10:58] <Burgundavia> Unfrgiven, is this page useful to you? Will it cause more harm than good? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToBuildDebianPackagesFromScratch
[11:05] <herve> morning
[11:07] <ajmitch> hi herve
[11:22] <neverstable> hello is there n y body help me about ubuntu
[11:23] <sladen> lots of people, just ask!
[11:23] <sladen> or better still, try #ubuntu-users and stick around for more than 30seconds
[11:24] <Burgundavia> sladen, that would be just #ubuntu
[11:31] <sladen> yeah, good point
[12:11] <slomo> hi siretart
[12:18] <tseng> Amaranth: not a fan
[12:25] <tseng> hi
[12:30] <Lathiat> tseng: any idea how to make a rewriterule which would put any query string on the end of the request
[12:30] <tseng> Lathiat: hm no
[12:30] <tseng> Lathiat: i hate mod_rewrite
[12:30] <Lathiat> like match for a ?(anything) and put it in $3 so i can stick &$3 in the rewriterule
[12:30] <Lathiat> tseng: heh, why ?
[12:31] <Lathiat> i'm tryign to make my urls such that /stores/test/ is essentially /, the /stores/test/ is to give me the store id test so bookmarking urls etc work... whats a better way to achieve that?
[12:31] <tseng> its hard to use
[12:31] <Lathiat> and i thought while i was at it i might get rid of some other query stringy things
[12:31] <tseng> we did redirect warez kids coming to my friends server after someone leaked the link to Gorillaz to tubgirl, however
[12:32] <Lathiat> heh
[12:32] <Lathiat> ouch ;p
[12:32] <Lathiat> bleh, did i mention i hate doing web development?
[12:32] <tseng> hm, i like it
[12:32] <tseng> but im not strictly web, i have a huge snmp engine fueling it
[12:33] <Lathiat> tseng: ok how bout... how could i make a regex match that tested for ?<something> and stuck <something> in a match, but the ? doesnt need to be present
[12:33] <Lathiat> i really need to learn to speak regexs one day
[12:33] <tseng> in sed i would use s:foo:bar:g
[12:34] <tseng> not sure if/how that translates to mod_rewrite :/
[12:34] <Lathiat> umm like
[12:34] <Lathiat> a replacement isnt  what i want
[12:34] <Lathiat> hrm
[12:34] <Lathiat> oh well
[02:38] <siretart> hi folks
[02:39] <Mez> lo
[02:44] <\sh> what r we doing with the xfce4 stuff?
[03:04] <slomo> \sh: afaik the xfce team works on that... ogra said me to leave alone the xfce stuff ;)
[03:26] <\sh> slomo: ok then :) so I can try to fix the other stuff *grmpf*
[03:31] <\sh> slomo: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/i/imms/2.0.3-2ubuntu3/
[03:32] <slomo> \sh: good work :D
[03:34] <\sh> slomo: at least
[03:38] <\sh> hmmm...does anybody have a logitech quickcam?
[03:38] <\sh> quickcam express ?
[03:38] <\sh> usb?
[03:54] <\sh> mitsuhiko: u tried it with gnomemeeting?
[03:54] <mitsuhiko> \sh: the cam doesn't work with ubuntu :(
[03:55] <\sh> it should with the drivers
[03:55] <mitsuhiko> next week i will install breezy and check this
[03:56] <\sh> i'm trying now
[04:31] <\sh> grmpf...doesn't work...no /dev/video...
[04:31] <\sh> well..I just created the devices...but even then :(
[04:48] <herve> \sh, is it related to the message that just arrived at the ubuntu-devel list?
[04:55] <\sh> no...I just loaded it
[04:56] <\sh> but it doesn't work as expected
[04:59] <Tonio-> hi everyone
[05:00] <Tonio-> trying to package kdesvn, a frontend for svn, and I receive this during configure :
[05:00] <Tonio-> checking for Subversion headers... not found
[05:00] <Tonio-> I haven't been able to find such a package in hoary or breezy....
[05:00] <herve> probably some package like subversion-dev or libsvn-dev
[05:00] <Tonio-> no dev package for subversion....
[05:00] <herve> if you know a file name its missing
[05:01] <herve> it would be easy to find
[05:01] <herve> I mean from what package this missing file comes
[05:01] <Tonio-> libsvn-dev ahhhhhhhh I didn't chek with svn instead of subversion ;)
[05:01] <Tonio-> let me try
[05:01] <Amaranth> libsvn0-dev - development files for Subversion (aka. svn) libraries
[05:01] <Amaranth> *cough*
[05:01] <Tonio-> nice ;)))))
[05:02] <Tonio-> it seems I was tired when trying
[05:02] <Tonio-> or maybe just stupid !!
[05:02] <Tonio-> very good thanks, I repackage immediatly
[06:30] <gradzac> inetd is the standard superserver for ubuntu, right?
[06:32] <gradzac> i'm asking cause shouldn't the xinetd package be marked to replace inetd??
[06:32] <Treenaks> no
[06:32] <Treenaks> they can run together, and don't share files
[06:33] <gradzac> but does it make sense to have both on the same system?
[06:33] <Treenaks> that's nto the point... its _possible_ to run both at the same time with no ill effects, so it's allowed
[06:34] <gradzac> is xinetd/inetd something that has been discussed in the past?
[07:11] <zyga> gradzac: didn't xinetd have a funny license?
[07:35] <gradzac> zyga: yes, it appears so.....definately not GPL
[07:50] <Amaranth> launchd is crack for linux
[07:50] <Amaranth> for one, it uses plists
[07:50] <Amaranth> and XML
[07:50] <Amaranth> which only works for apple because they use plists and XML for _everything_ so it's expected
[07:52] <zyga> Amaranth: plists?
[07:52] <zyga> Amaranth: I for one, welcome our XML overlords...
[07:52] <Amaranth> http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/PropertyLists/Concepts/XMLPListsConcept.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/20001011-BBCBDBJE
[07:53] <Amaranth> i've spent way too much time messing with plists, so i'm probably biased
[07:53] <Amaranth> but i hate them
[07:53] <gradzac> A Redhat version I used had a gnome GUI for chkconfig that I really liked
[07:53] <zyga> Amaranth: why exactly?
[07:54] <gradzac> and I liked chkconfig in general
[07:54] <Amaranth> zyga: because i had to figure out wtf iTunes was doing with them and then write a parser
[07:54] <gradzac> I wish debian/ubuntu used that
[07:54] <zyga> Amaranth: I ment, why do you hate them?
[07:54] <Amaranth> i just answered that
[07:55] <zyga> hmm
[07:55] <zyga> I don't grok your approach but that's fine
[07:56] <zyga> Amaranth: what was it parsing apart from xml?
[07:56] <Amaranth> the iTunes Music Store uses plists as a communication protocol
[07:58] <zyga> it looks like a simple serialization stuff for objc foundation stuff
[07:59] <Amaranth> sure, the hard part was figuring out what iTunes does with what it receives and what it sends out, which is why i say i'm biased
[07:59] <zyga> I see now
[10:13] <Mo42> hi! i have done a package for gnomeradio and would like put it in universe. is that possible?
[10:14] <siretart> Mo42: great! of course we want it!
[10:15] <Mo42> the source package and a binary for amd64 is at http://mo42.ath.cx/ubuntu/sources/gnomeradio/
[10:15] <siretart> Mo42: if you think your package is ready for inclusion (build dependencies are correct, builds in pbuilder and are linda/lintian clean) you are welcome to upload it to revu, our reviewing tool!
[10:15] <Mo42> well, linda seems to be broken on breezy/amd64...
[10:16] <Mo42> but lintian has no error, but a warning because there is no manpage
[10:16] <Lathiat> s/linda/everything
[10:17] <siretart> at the first glance, your package seems fine
[10:17] <siretart> Mo42: do you have a gpg key?
[10:17] <Mo42> and it builds in pbuilder (looks like the build-deps are fine) and SloMoSnail tried to compile it on ppc and that seems to work, too
[10:17] <Mo42> siretart: yes
[10:17] <siretart> coool!
[10:18] <siretart> Mo42: give me your keyid, then, I'll add you to the revu keyring, then
[10:18] <Mo42> siretart: 80E0C374
[10:18] <Mo42> the packages are all signed with that key
[10:19] <siretart> Mo42: great. I added you to the revu keyring. you may proceed with uploading it now
[10:19] <Mo42> how do i do that?
[10:20] <siretart> Mo42: have a look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU
[10:20] <siretart> I tried to explain that there as good as possible
[10:20] <Mo42> oh wait... i have copied the description from the homepage and have not asked for permission...
[10:20] <Mo42> perhaps i should ask the author before that
[10:21] <siretart> hm. no, I think that description is ok
[10:22] <Mo42> okay
[10:26] <herve> ++
[10:32] <siretart> Mo42: please use "debuid -S -sa" (or dpkg-buildpackage
[10:32] <siretart> with same options)
[10:32] <siretart> Mo42: your upload didn't include the orig.tar.gz
[10:34] <Mo42> siretart: sorry, but have already fixed that
[10:34] <Mo42> and uploaded it again with orig.tar.gz
[10:35] <siretart> yes, great
[10:35] <siretart> I will have a look at it tomorrow, now I really need to get some sleep :(
[10:36] <Mo42> okay, thanks!
[10:38] <SloMoSnail> and i'll vote for it later ;)
[10:38] <SloMoSnail> gn8 siretart
[10:39] <siretart> gn8 folks
[10:39] <Mo42> gn8 siretart