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Octanetommi^: ya im trying though to make 2 packages a regular one and a dev one12:00
OctaneAmaranth: thank you12:00
AmaranthOctane: if someone is there they can help you with the package so you can try to get it into universe12:00
hybrid_gothany OSX users here? or anyone know what expose is?12:00
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JDahlOctane, did you read this guide: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide ?12:00
ArniaExpose is the task switcher in OSX12:00
ArniaVery cool to use12:01
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hybrid_gothcan i do that in ubuntu?12:01
hybrid_gothyes i love expose12:01
OctaneJDahl: ive beeen reading many docs but i cant find the answer of what in eed to do to create 2 different packages from one source12:01
Arniahybrid_goth: not any current implementations12:02
AmaranthOctane: list them in the control file12:02
ArniaSkippy tries, but isn't as smooth12:02
hybrid_gothdarn12:02
LeaChimi'm getting: X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting on trying to use xinit. how can i fix it?12:02
hybrid_gothok ty12:02
OctaneAmaranth: but how will dpkg-buildpackage know to divide them b/w -dev and a regular file12:02
AmaranthOctane: then make <pkgname>.install files in the debian/ dir that have a list of files that should go into that package12:02
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Octaneah i see12:03
ArniaAlthough you could try adding some of the luminocity goodness to metacity for them :)12:03
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OctaneAmaranth:  is really necessary to have a chroot for this like some guides recommend12:03
zerAnybody here who has tried Ubuntu with initng yet?12:03
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ArniaThen it should be pretty easy to write12:03
tommi^LeaChim, at what situation?12:03
AmaranthOctane: Yeah, a badly made package can crap all over your filesystem and not clean up after itself.12:03
LeaChimtommi^, using xinit12:03
OctaneAmaranth: i see so we use the chroot to have a clean environemtn12:04
AmaranthOctane: exactly12:04
AmaranthOctane: have you ever used glob?12:04
OctaneAmaranth: never heard of it12:04
noparkhas anyone else had a "IRQ 18: nobody cared" error message continually come up?12:04
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Andaresnopark, What? Is that really an error?12:04
AmaranthOctane: ok, well for example in your foo.install file you can have '*.py' on one line and it'll grab all the files with a .py extension12:05
noparkthats what i was getting during install, never quit12:05
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QMarioDoes anyone here use KUbuntu?12:05
LeaChimtommi^, any ideas?12:05
AmaranthOctane: look for a source package that has .install files for an example12:05
AndaresNot me.12:05
raven3x7nopark ugh thats just weird12:06
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AmaranthOctane: mostly any package will have them, try apt-get source bittorrent12:06
OctaneAmaranth: what about when you have a package named, foolib but ubuntu needs it to be libfoo12:06
hybrid_gothQMario: try #kubuntu12:06
AmaranthOctane: name it libfoo12:06
OctaneAmaranth: thats it no other changes other than those in control?12:06
noparkyeah, the install totally blew up lol12:06
noparkwell, just didnt work12:06
nopark;)12:06
tommi^LeaChim, noup. Not my area of expertise but just out of curiosity, are you using justa a normal installation?12:06
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AmaranthOctane: i've never successfully made a package like this :D12:06
AmaranthOctane: that's why i sent you to #ubuntu-motu12:07
LeaChimtommi^, yep12:07
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OctaneAmaranth:  i love the motu name :)12:07
tommi^I installed mysql-server and then noticed that I foolishly messed with the permission. I uninstalled and remove all mysql-server configuration and databases from /var/lib. Now trying to reinstalling mysql-server ends in this: "invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/mysql not found ; invoke-rc.d returned 100 ; There is a MySQL server running, but we failed in our attempts to stop it." How can I fix this? Thanks12:07
hybrid_gothlol12:07
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noparki found a bug on the Debian bug tracker: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=30996112:08
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mocktommi: use _kill -SIGKILL <pid>12:08
noparkis there a way to get around it =/12:08
Andares_kill not kill?12:08
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mockjust kill ;)12:09
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tommi^LeaChim, so you boot your computer and the error comes instead of gdm?12:09
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LeaChimtommi^, no, i'm trying to run another xserver that i can get to via ctrl + alt + f812:10
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linlinI get this error when compiling this program. Please help! Checking for X... Configure error: Cant find X includes. Please check your installation and add tthe correct paths.12:12
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linlinI kindof know what a path is, i jsut know what its asking to o12:12
linlindo*(12:12
raven3x7nopark dunno is this bug in ubuntus bugzilla? if not maybe you should make a report12:12
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Amaranthlinlin: are you on breezy?12:13
linlinno12:13
linlin5.0412:13
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Amaranthlinlin: ok, install x-window-system-dev12:14
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linlinsudo apt-get install blah?12:14
noparki dont know what im doing though lol i think its the same, but i cant really go and check. i boot up and i get a login, but that damn error message pops up every 3 seconds and doesn't quit. it overwrites everything on the screen =|12:14
spudseHi I installed ubuntu next to my winxp install today, Grub nicely asked me which OS i wanted to boat on startup. But I had to reinstall winxp again, which had overwritten my MBR, is there any easy way to get grub back? (i a compelte newby)12:14
ncetervalHello, I installed a few packages straight from the .deb (not a repository) which required slightly higher versions of its dependencies than the Ubuntu repositories had.  I chose to ignore dependencies, and they installed and operate fine.  However, Synaptic has marked them as broken and demands I remove them before making any other changes.  How can I specify that I want them left alone?12:15
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QMarioWill the 'CHAINTECH SLV3-128 Video Card' work with Ubuntu?12:15
linlinspudse theres a guide on the site somewhere that i followed.12:15
linlinif you cant find i i suppose i could jsut send you my grub configuration and you can edit that12:15
spudselinlin, was it easy ? or is a reinstall of ubuntu easier? (i didnt do anything with ubuntu yet since my X config wasnt even right :)12:16
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linlinnah, grub-install im pretty sure all12:16
spudseokay thanks12:16
linlinsomething along the lines of sudo grub-install /dev/hda i think12:16
noparkthe guy in the bug report says he thinks its something to do with  the SATA-module. if it's the same issue, maybe i can just disable/remove the sata module. is there a boot param i can run that'll disable it?12:17
ncetervalQMario: I'm only here for help myself, but might I suggest you test the card out with the Ubuntu or Kubuntu LiveCD?12:17
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noparki have a SATA drive, but it's not what I'm using to install Ubuntu on12:17
spudselinlin, i cant boot into linux/ubuntu, so i cant do console things12:17
postmodernwhere are the logs to see if apt-get succedded in updating everything?12:17
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Amaranth!windows12:18
ubotuI guess windows is Everything runs in linux. Choose your emulator: Cedega, Wine, VMware, Qemu, Xen, CrossOver Office, or find an !alternative12:18
linlinhave a live cd handy?12:18
Amaranthhrm12:18
spudseI'll have to dl it12:18
cavediverHi, do you know if the x problem is over in breezy ?12:18
spudseI think I go for a reinstall :)12:18
spudsei takes only an hour12:18
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linlinyou can either get a ubuntu live cd, and do what i mentioned, or reinstall12:18
raven3x7nopark i believe ther is one but i dont know it for sure. -nosata maybe you could also try -noirq12:18
linlinwhatever you consider easier12:18
spudseyes, thanks :)12:18
sexcopter8000mis there a good but simple cad package out there?12:19
noparkactually the error message spits out "try noirq" somewhere in it. i tried it, but didnt work. i'll see if i can dig anything else up, try it, and get back ;)12:19
spudsedo you know how i can boot ubuntu without x ? because x doesnt work so i need to tweak the config12:19
raven3x7sexcopter8000m, qcad?12:19
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raven3x7spudse, boot into recovery mode12:20
cavediverspudse: just try ctrl-alt-f1 to bring the console12:20
linlinok, i installed the x dev packages. and it gets past that part. now ive got this error: Checking for Qt... Configure: Error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2) ( headers and libs) not found.12:20
postmodernwhere are the logs for synatpic/apt-get?12:20
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spudseIs a white screen when X starts a known bug with certain systems, or is it just malfunctioning config ?12:20
raven3x7linlin, you need qt development libraries probably12:20
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spudsewhite/blueish it is12:21
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sexcopter8000mraven3x7, it doesn't seem to be quite what i want, anything that can do 3D as well?12:21
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linlinraven3x7 how may i get those?12:22
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raven3x7sexcopter8000m, not that i know of im afraid. i only know blender3d for 3d but its not a cad app12:22
postmodernis there a quick way i can tell if my ubuntu system is updated?12:23
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raven3x7linlin use synaptic and search for qt. development libraries are marked with -dev12:23
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linlinif theres a red icon upper right then you need to update postmodern12:23
Amaranthpostmodern: synaptic12:23
linlinnext to clock12:24
tikkaAnyone here want to talk to with me about ATI Radeon, ubuntu, lack of direct rendering and overal slowness?12:24
postmodernlinlin, excellent12:24
sexcopter8000mok, thanks raven3x712:24
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Amaranth!info xorg-driver-fglrx12:24
python_tikka, ATI is the problem not Ubuntu12:24
ubotuxorg-driver-fglrx: (Video driver for ATI graphics accelerators), section restricted/misc, is optional. Version: 6.8.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu11 (hoary), Packaged size: 3110 kB, Installed size: 9940 kB12:24
Amaranth*cough*12:25
raven3x7sexcopter8000m, i think its very unlikely that you;ll find a opensource or free 3d cad app12:25
VelvetElvisanyone have a suggestion as to how I can package and use libvorbis-1.1.1 and vorbistools-1.1.1 without replacing the existing ogg stuff and screwing ups deps?12:25
python_i think there are some cad apps12:25
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VelvetElvisthere's a massive CAD ap that the US military made OS a few months back12:26
python_whos after a CAD app?12:26
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VelvetElvisit's what they use for desiging tanks or whatever12:26
linlinsexcopter8000m12:27
raven3x7linlin its libqt3-dev if you havent found it12:27
linlinyup, got it12:27
linlinthanks :))))12:27
tikkaAmaranth, Thanks for that altho.. aptitude reports I already have that12:27
tikka0000:02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 415312:28
tikka0000:02:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 417312:28
VelvetElvisor more specificly, how do I package and install multiple versions of the same library?12:28
tikkai guess it relates to that also12:28
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python_Theres a great open source app called CYCAS12:28
python_CYCAS CAD PACKAGE CAN BE FOUND AT:-http://www.cycas.de/12:28
=== Razor-X has gotten TuxRacer up the brain
Razor-Xpython_: no need to shout12:29
Razor-Xit seems more like you're advertising12:29
python_sorry12:30
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python_never meant to do that12:30
[Spooky] is tuxracer included in apt-get ?12:30
Razor-X[Spooky] : yeahp12:30
linlinpersonally, his link is not double clickable...i would never goto it12:30
linlinso if you ARE advertising...12:30
python_not advertising, just letting the community know there is software out there12:30
sexcopter8000mpython_, that looks cool! :)12:30
Razor-Xtime to get back to reading my zsh guide12:30
linlintheres a tip :P12:31
hybrid_gothRazor-X:  i may have found a real cool TTS12:31
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Razor-Xlinlin: I can't double-click any link on my terminal12:31
[Spooky] Razor-X: cool12:31
VelvetElvishttp://www.brlcad.org/12:31
linlinwell advertising a CAD app hes obviosuly targeting gui users12:31
VelvetElvisthat's a hardcore CAD ap if you're looking for professional engenering stuff12:31
linlinwho usually use gui irc clients, which can double click :P12:31
Razor-Xor single-click, or in any way translate anywhere from 0-2 keystrokes of my mouse into ``Browser open and display URL''12:31
Razor-Xlinlin: ahh, true that ;)12:31
linlinheheh ;)12:31
hybrid_gothRazor-X:  use gpm12:31
Razor-Xhybrid_goth: isn't gpm included with Ubuntu?12:32
Razor-XI remember gpm years back on my first Debian distro, the first app I got working right ;)12:32
terrexi think it's in universe12:32
hybrid_gothno12:32
Razor-Xdude, that's fscking stupid!12:32
hybrid_gothyea its in universe12:32
Razor-Xgpm is included in Debian12:32
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hybrid_gothnot in default though12:32
Razor-Xgah, they should include it12:32
hybrid_gothlol12:32
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python_VelvetElvis that app looks good, now you see community it shows you that there is lots of tools out there available for you to use and improve12:33
Razor-Xmy dad would probably like that app12:33
cavediverIs there a specific chan for Breezy ?12:33
hybrid_gothwhy?12:33
Razor-Xbut, CAD isn't my thing, nor will it ever12:33
Razor-X(least I think so)12:33
hybrid_gothcavediver:  err ubuntu-dev?12:33
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hybrid_gothi hate CAD12:34
crimsuncavediver: no12:34
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cavediverI see.12:34
Razor-Xhybrid_goth: where's it located at?12:34
Razor-Xgpm, I mean12:34
python_Yes but as an Linux operating system we need to have a variety of apps to offer to a wide variety of interests12:34
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hybrid_goth  it is in apt12:34
Razor-Xhybrid_goth: I mean, after installation12:34
hybrid_gotherr12:34
cavediverAnyone know if there are breezy cd snapshots to download. So I wont have to install hoary first.12:35
Razor-Xcavediver: is there a reason you want Breezy that you're willing to forsake trying Ubuntu in general?12:35
hybrid_gothin /etc/X/xfree86rc i think is where you tell X to use it12:35
Razor-Xhybrid_goth: can't you call it on your own?12:35
hybrid_gothyea but it is kinda buggy that way with a gui12:35
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hybrid_gothor i have been told12:36
Razor-Xhybrid_goth: where is the executable located at?12:36
hybrid_gothnot sure12:36
Razor-X(I can always go to a tty and do it)12:36
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Razor-Xhybrid_goth: I don't feel like updatedb'ing ;)12:36
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hybrid_gothlol12:36
cavediverRazor-X: have tried it before and went back to hoary. Want to dual-boot and watch the progress on breezy.12:37
cavediverJust out of curousity.12:37
hybrid_gothcavediver: chroot12:37
Razor-Xcavediver: hmm, i'm not sure, I don't think so though12:37
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Razor-Xalthough, you can be the first person to create a sort of CD like that12:37
cavediverWell, maybe I will.12:37
Razor-Xjust a little poll, what's the favorite partition backup tool for you people?12:37
hybrid_gothlol12:37
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hybrid_gothback up?12:38
Razor-Xhybrid_goth: partition backup12:38
Razor-XI have my preference, but I want to see12:38
krusty2712retrospect ;)12:38
VelvetElvistar + mv?12:38
Razor-Xhaha12:38
cavediverRazor-X: dd12:38
Razor-Xkickass!12:38
hybrid_gothlol12:38
Razor-Xa dd user12:38
Razor-Xthat's the purist's way XD12:38
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Razor-Xdd if=/dev/partition of=/backup/foodate12:39
Razor-Xthen simply burn /backup/foodate ;)12:39
Razor-Xmmmm, the awesomeness of dd12:39
cavediverI do all kinds of stuff using dd, it's fun.12:39
cavediver:)12:40
Razor-Xlike formatting stuff12:40
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Razor-Xreally useful for that12:40
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Razor-Xdd if=/dev/null of=/dev/fd012:40
Razor-Xthe end-all blanking tool ;)12:40
cavediverYes, and /dev/random is fun for overwriting stuff :)12:40
Razor-Xyeah, heh12:40
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Razor-Xwell, also, cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp is also pretty fun12:40
Razor-Xhmmmm, I got an idea!12:40
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Razor-Xaggghhh, that didn't work -_-12:41
raven3x7cavediver there was a link to snaoshot at distrowatch12:41
wdhcavediver, dont forget to do it 35 times :P12:41
Razor-Xwdh: if you want to securely delete something, check out ``dban''12:41
Razor-Xalso really good for corrupt harddisks12:42
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Razor-Xbecause, a lot of the times, the partition table is so screwy, that all partitions refuse to install12:42
cavediverwdh: 35 ! I do it like 1000 times :) Don't want those darn enemies to have my secrets :=)12:42
Razor-Xand no program wants to wipe the partition table, because it's so damned corrupt12:42
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Razor-Xmmmm12:43
Razor-Xdban12:43
Razor-X;)12:43
Razor-Xraven3x7: I switched to Dvorak to increase my speed12:43
Razor-Xand my accuracy, obviously12:43
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crimsunI switched because of RSI12:43
Razor-Xcrimsun: i'm not that old yet12:43
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crimsunit's not age-dependent, really.12:44
Razor-Xwell, it's usage-dependant12:44
Razor-Xand age is a huge limiting factor of usage12:44
raven3x7whats Dvorak?12:44
hybrid_gothkeyboard map12:44
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Razor-Xraven3x7: alternate keyboard layout that was scientifically designed to be more effecient12:44
Razor-Xthe home row is ``aoeu id htns''12:45
raven3x7i doubt there is a greek keyboard that uses that12:45
searcher`raven3x7: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvorak_Simplified_Keyboard12:45
hybrid_gothyea "better" in the forties12:45
crimsunit's more comfortable for me, which helps since I need my wrists for drumming12:45
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Razor-Xnote that vowels are on the left hand, and the right hand has the most used consonant pairs12:45
Razor-Xraven3x7: there probably is one12:45
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Razor-Xhybrid_goth: and QWERTY was made after the forties?12:45
resiakRazor-X: I'm getting RSI at 18.12:45
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hybrid_gothRazor-X:  now qwert is older!12:46
Razor-Xresiak: i'm three years younger than you are12:46
Razor-Xhybrid_goth: exactly12:46
Razor-Xand, the world's fastest typist (at the moment) is a Dvorak typist12:46
hybrid_gothi want the quantimus12:46
searcher`QWERTY was actually designed to slow the typist down so you wouldn't get the lint cought in the typewriter12:46
resiakRazor-X: You got any faster because of Dvorak? I haven't. But it's comfier.12:46
hybrid_gothor w/e12:46
CzarAlexWhat is the command line to rename a directory? I want to rename /mnt/torrents to /mnt/media12:46
noparkim back, and it didn't work :( I tried noirq, irqpoll and nosata. the error was still coming up.12:46
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Razor-Xresiak: I got faster by 39 WPM12:46
resiaksearcher`: No, it was designed to not have adjacent keys used.12:46
Razor-Xs/39/30/12:46
crimsunCzarAlex: mv12:46
resiakRazor-X: Right. I didn't. :)12:46
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CzarAlexcrimsun, thank you12:46
Razor-Xsearcher`: not all the way correct12:46
searcher`well, it was one of the reasons :-)12:47
hybrid_gothCzarAlex: mv /mnt/torrents /mnt/media12:47
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Razor-XQWERTY was the most effecient layout without causing keys to jam, by eliminating key pairs12:47
CzarAlexhybrid_goth, thank you.12:47
hybrid_gothnp12:47
noparkhttp://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/831, see lines 4-39, that's the message that keeps coming up. i passed the debug param so the output is a little more then usual12:47
Razor-Xonce the jamming limitation is gone, it's much faster to do something else12:47
hybrid_gothRazor-X: we need a new map12:47
raven3x7Razor-X, greek uses a different alphabet with more letters12:47
Razor-Xraven3x7: there's Russian Dvorak12:47
Razor-XSpanish Dvorak12:47
Razor-X;)12:47
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ryan_can you do a remote desktop with ubuntu? like someone else remotly connecting to my machine?12:48
Razor-Xhttp://www.hornetranslations.com/keyboardsenca.shtml12:48
Razor-Xhybrid_goth: so where's gpm?12:48
cavediverryan_: ssh can do that12:48
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Razor-Xryan_: you can  do that12:48
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hybrid_gothRazor-X:  put it in xorg's rc12:48
Razor-Xcavediver: Remote Desktop, i'm assuming he means GUI access12:48
raven3x7ill check it out to see if there is12:49
Razor-Xhybrid_goth: where's the executable path?12:49
cavediverRazor-X: yes i misread that.12:49
ryan_is there a graphical one, where the user see's my desktop as i would cavediver/ Razor-X12:49
hybrid_gothor do dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver12:49
Razor-Xremember, everything's parsed by zsh12:49
Razor-Xand zsh can't find gpm if I type it in the prompt like that12:49
hybrid_gothRazor-X:  gpm should call it or it starts up automatically12:49
hybrid_gothidk12:49
Razor-Xhybrid_goth: ``locate gdm''12:49
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ryan_is there a graphical one, where the user see's my desktop as i would cavediver/ Razor-X12:49
raven3x7ryan_, freenx?12:50
Razor-Xahh, fuck it, i'll do a updatedb anyways12:50
Razor-Xraven3x7: it's a bitch to install12:50
hybrid_gothRazor-X:  i aint on ubuntu12:50
ryan_raven3x7, ill try that12:50
Razor-Xryan_: VNC is one12:50
Razor-X(google TightVNC)12:50
Razor-XXDMCP is faster, albeit much less secure12:50
Razor-Xthat changes if you tunnel it through SSH12:50
hybrid_gothi want this keyboard   http://artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus/12:51
CzarAlexhybrid_goth, uh oh. that torrents directory was where I mounted a second hard drive to. Now, after using the mv command to rename that directory, its (now called media) is associated with my first hard drive. How do I fix this so its associated with the second hd?12:51
shammyHi, i just installed ubuntu, i'm a linux newbie. Once it was done installing, i rebooted and the rest of the packages installed, but it couldnt start x server.. what do I need to do?12:51
hybrid_gothCzarAlex: err try man link12:51
CzarAlexhybrid_goth, thank you.12:51
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hybrid_gothnp12:51
cavediverRazor-X: look what I found: http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/dvd/current/12:52
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raven3x7Razor-X, i never used it.i just know about12:53
CzarAlexhybrid_goth, okay so I want to use link /mnt/media <file2> ..in this case, what is file 2?12:53
hybrid_gothwhere it goes on the 2nd hdd12:54
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CzarAlexhybrid_goth, the second HD was called /mnt/torrents but that appears to be gone.12:54
Luna-TickGood morning all (or afternoon)12:54
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hybrid_gothCzarAlex:  ok you will need to tell /etc/fstab to have the 2nd hdd mnt at /mnt/media12:55
CzarAlexhybrid_goth, is there a help file on that? or what is the command to do that.12:55
hybrid_gothCzarAlex:  sudo gedit /etc/fstab and you will see hdb1 /mnt/torrents/ change torrents to media12:56
noparkdo the items in the pastebin stay for ever? can i link to it on the forum as well? (i dont know if they get cleaned off every 24 hours or something)12:56
CzarAlexhybrid_goth, thanks.12:56
hybrid_gothnp12:56
Razor-Xthanks a lot hybrid_goth!12:56
Razor-Xupdatedb is still going!12:56
Razor-X:(12:56
Razor-Xjust fon one measely little app12:57
hybrid_gothRazor-X:  what12:57
hybrid_goth?12:57
Razor-Xit's taking ages12:57
hybrid_gothlol12:57
Razor-Xit's been 6 minutes12:57
hybrid_gothnow you know how my torrent is going12:57
Razor-Xoh yeah, and for those of you who are picky about time like me, the ntp servers are off the official US Observatory time by 2 seconds12:58
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hybrid_gothRazor-X:  time sucks12:58
hybrid_gothabstact12:58
CzarAlexhybrid_goth, thank second hd would be called hdb1? i dont see that listed in fstab12:59
Razor-Xwell, the only time standard nowadays is those thingies12:59
Luna-TickDoes anyone know how to get the irc-helper plugin for Gaim going in Ubuntu - there doesn't seem to be an Ubuntu package?12:59
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hybrid_gothCzarAlex:  what about hda2?12:59
phixionbah wine is a useless pos. can't get partypoker working :/ someone get it working for me! :D12:59
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CzarAlexhybrid_goth, nope.12:59
hybrid_gothphixion:  do you need java for party poker?01:00
phixionim not sure01:00
hybrid_gothCzarAlex:  do you see hd anything?01:00
hybrid_gothphixion:  i doubt wine will help there01:00
phixionhybrid_goth, partypoker.com :)01:00
hybrid_gothyou'll need a) flash or b) java01:00
CzarAlexhybrid_goth, ive got hda1 and hda5. Also hdc which is mounted to /media/cdrom0 and hdd which is mounted to /media/cdrom1 (is that the same media is just made?)01:00
hybrid_gothwhere does hda5 mount?01:01
CzarAlexhybrid_goth,  the drive was empty so I wont lose anything If I have to reformat and remount and all that. hda5 mounts to none and is type - swap01:01
hybrid_gothah01:01
hybrid_gothhow many cdrom drives do you have?01:02
drummer87hi all, when using samba, can i write to an NTFS drive on an XP box through samba?01:02
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tikkadrummer87, provided u have write permission on the windows box. yes01:02
bcc|grafdrummer87, sure01:02
SmasSivehi01:02
CzarAlexhybrid_goth, 201:02
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drummer87I know writing to NTFS is not normally safe, but don't know if/how samba is different01:03
hybrid_gothok the /media/cdrom are for you cdroms01:03
tikkaur using the windows machine to do that work01:03
drummer87so it won't do anything wierd?01:03
ChrisC_wow, there's a lot of people on this channel :)01:03
tikkalinux plays no part in that side of it..01:03
hybrid_gothhda1 is you main harddrive01:03
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drummer87ok, thanks01:03
hybrid_gothhda5 is swap needed by linux01:03
bcc|grafdrummer87, samba will not write but the winxp box does01:03
CzarAlexhybrid_goth, okay. How do I get that second hd to be associated with /mnt/media (or any other suitable name)01:03
codecaineanyone using cisco vpn client01:03
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hybrid_gothCzarAlex:  is it partitioned?01:04
ChrisC_Does vncviewer appear on the Gnome menu somewhere (e.g. as "remote desktop") or must I launch via command line until I figure out how to add it myself?01:04
Luna-TickAnyone know the status of the silc plugin for gaim?01:04
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CzarAlexhybrid_goth, it was, yes. Should still be unless what just happened with mv negated that.01:04
socommLuna-Tick: /join #gaim01:04
Luna-TickI was meaning for Ubuntu01:05
hybrid_gothphixion:  whatch ubotu01:05
hybrid_goth!java01:05
ubotujava is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.01:05
Luna-TickThere doesn't seem to be a package for it01:05
hybrid_gothCzarAlex:  umm i would try to add this in there /dev/hdb1/ /mnt/media default 0 001:06
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CzarAlexhybrid_goth, hda2 shows up in gparted01:06
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codecaineanybody in here using cisco vpn client?01:06
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hybrid_gothCzarAlex:  then add it in fstab01:06
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CzarAlexhybrid_goth, as mentioned above?01:06
hybrid_gothlike i said above01:07
CzarAlexhybrid_goth,  okay.01:07
hybrid_gothyup01:07
Chaotic_ShieldHi, I'm using a Dell laptop. How can I configure my wireless card to work with Ubuntu:01:07
hybrid_gothChaotic_Shield:  iwconfig is usefull01:07
Luna-TickChaotic - it should just work... is it an ipw2200?01:07
Chaotic_Shielddunno Luna-Tick01:07
CzarAlexhybrid_goth, what type? (i assume default was for the options argument)01:07
hybrid_gothwhat do you mean what type?01:08
Chaotic_Shieldhybrid_goth, all that comes up is no wireless extensions.01:08
CzarAlexhybrid_goth, gparted calls it extended. the fields for me to fill in are: <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>01:08
hybrid_gothmake it look like /dev/hda1 except for the mnt point and /dev/hda201:08
CzarAlexhybrid_goth, okay.01:09
hybrid_gothext3 fs01:09
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CzarAlexhybrid_goth, onces saved, do i need to do anything else?01:09
ChrisC_Does vncviewer appear on the Gnome menu somewhere (e.g. as "remote desktop") or must I launch via command line until I figure out how to add it myself?01:09
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ChrisC_side note:  it would be nice if ubuntuguide mentioned the GUI paths to apps, not just CLI01:09
hybrid_gothCzarAlex:  shouldnt except maybe mount -a or mount /dev/hda201:09
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hybrid_gothChaotic_Shield:  man iwconfig01:10
harkeyahh:-p01:10
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thathey guys i need some help regarding codecs01:11
socomm!ask01:12
ubotuNo idea, socomm01:12
brammatorquestion about vpn pptp: starting it from HH 5.04 (pptpclient GUI), server displays "PPTP connection established from 172.16.x.x", packet/byte counters runs like mad, and no interface is configured at all.01:12
socomm!question01:12
ubotuNo idea, socomm01:12
hybrid_goththat: ask01:12
brammatorwhat's wrong?01:12
socomm!smart question01:12
ubotusocomm: No idea01:12
hybrid_gothlol01:12
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CzarAlexhybrid_goth, it worked. thank you very much.01:12
thati cant seem to get any play back on my media play when i launch and then play a song it freezes01:12
hybrid_gothCzarAlex: good! np01:12
hybrid_gothmp3?01:13
socommthat: Have you installed all the proper codecs?01:13
hybrid_goththat: taken a look at /Restricted?01:13
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socomm!restricted01:13
ubotuit has been said that restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats01:13
hybrid_goth!restricted01:13
harkeyahhIs ubuntu easier to install/use than sourcemage?01:13
CzarAlexhybrid_goth, now im going to try to link /var/www/scon to /mnt/media/test  .. :\01:13
hybrid_gothCzarAlex:  heh01:13
socommharkeyahh: Some would say that.01:13
thatits mp301:14
harkeyahhWell, I'm I some training wheels linux socomm I think ubuntu would do the trick01:14
harkeyahhI need some*01:14
hybrid_gothharkeyahh: isnt no OSX install thats for sure but also isnt a slack install01:14
hybrid_goththat: watch ubotu01:14
hybrid_goth!restricted01:14
uboturestricted is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats01:14
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harkeyahhI had a successful install of sourcemage, but I can't get anything else to work quite so well01:15
Chaotic_Shieldhybrid_goth, I'm really confused by what to do with iwconfig. I'm a Linux newb.01:15
hybrid_goth=/01:15
harkeyahhubuntu comes with gnome already installed?01:15
socommharkeyahh: Try ubuntu out and see which fits your needs better.01:15
Chaotic_Shieldyes harkeyahh01:15
CzarAlexharkeyahh, yes01:15
hybrid_gothyup01:15
hybrid_gothor kubuntu has kde01:15
harkeyahhokay socomm I have a live disc I'll try it I like kde I might go with kubuntu01:16
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socommharkeyahh: Great, good luck and hope you enjoy using GNU/Linux.01:16
harkeyahhthnx much01:16
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spity|shi guys01:17
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Chaotic_ShieldI'm confused.01:18
CzarAlexOkay. If i understand this correctally, Im trying to have /var/www/scon point to /mnt/media/test . I used the command and example found at http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mapURLstofoldersoutsidewww to edit the proper file. I did so, saved it and quit, but it appears as if the link isnt happening, does anyone have either any suggestions, or perhaps a sample file with variables already filled in for me to look at incase im just doing it w01:18
CzarAlexrong?01:18
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Chaotic_Shieldwhat exactly do I do with iwconfig? It just says that all of the 3 network interfaces I have don't have wireless extensions.01:19
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hybrid_gothman iwconfig01:19
Chaotic_ShieldI did.01:19
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Chaotic_ShieldIt confused me further.01:19
hybrid_gothokay01:19
hybrid_gothyou using ubuntu or kubuntu?01:20
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Chaotic_Shieldubuntu01:20
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Luna-TickCan anyone here tell me about how the packaging in Ubuntu is done - is it a sponsor arrangement like Debian01:20
hybrid_gothand the card works but doesnt see you wlan or doesnt work?01:20
Chaotic_ShieldThe Device manager sees it, but nothing else does.01:20
hybrid_gothLuna-Tick:  i would ask a MOTU01:20
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hybrid_gothChaotic_Shield:  ok i would suggest using err maybe kisnet to see if that helps01:21
Chaotic_Shield?01:21
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Chaotic_ShieldI'm confused even more. :-P01:22
hybrid_gothnvm01:22
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CzarAlexthe first line of the alias needs to be Alias /URL-path /location_of_folder/ .. what all do i edit in that line? Obviously the location_of_folder/  ..what about the URL-path? and which is which? which becomes /var/www/scon and which becaomes /mnt/media/test01:22
Chaotic_ShieldCzarAlex, are you trying to configure Apache?01:23
CzarAlexChaotic_Shield, yeah. its up and running, I just want to use a dir outside of /var/www and im having problems getting it to work.01:23
Chaotic_Shieldoh.01:24
Chaotic_Shieldthat's easy.01:24
CzarAlexChaotic_Shield, do tell :)01:24
Chaotic_ShieldAlias /scon /mnt/media/test01:24
Chaotic_Shield:)01:24
andy_i have the same prob ;)01:24
Chaotic_ShieldI configed Apache back when Windows had a monopoly on my HDD.01:24
CzarAlexChaotic_Shield, save the file ..then what?01:24
Chaotic_Shieldrehash.01:24
andy_in what file that has to come?01:24
CzarAlexChaotic_Shield, define rehash01:24
Chaotic_Shieldrestart.01:24
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CzarAlexChaotic_Shield, ok01:25
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CzarAlexChaotic_Shield, / at the end of test?01:25
Chaotic_Shieldno.01:25
andy_is that alias line to be in httpd.conf??01:25
Chaotic_Shieldyes.01:25
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andy_thx01:25
CzarAlexChaotic_Shield, what about <Directory /mnt/media/test/> ? / or no /01:25
Chaotic_Shieldlook in Apache online docs.01:26
Chaotic_Shieldaway, dinner.01:26
Cin i pressed/click some shortcut and have lost my start bar on ubuntu01:28
Cinlol01:28
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Cin:(01:28
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iceman2kanyone running duel boot windows xp 64 and ubuntu 6401:31
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Luna-TickFarewell all :)01:33
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xieI'm having problems with a clean install of Hoary. ;\01:33
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FlyingSquirrell3how can I tell what speed processor I have and What VCard I have?01:35
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majicsomething like: cat /proc/cpuinfo01:36
majicI think that's it01:36
majicvideo card can be found out with lspci prolly01:36
xieWhen I'm trying to partition the drive, it hangs at 6% or 8%01:36
xieEvery time, I've tried 3x now01:37
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Linoleumcoucou y a KK1 ?01:37
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desrtcocteau t w ins?01:38
desrtoh yes.  i think so.01:38
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bonvenonLinoleum, desrt: vad r det dr fr sprk? = what language is that? ;)01:39
xieNo ideas? -\01:39
desrtcocteau twins are a band from scotland... so i'd guess english01:39
bonvenonoh01:40
jipxie, check your disk for errors01:40
FlyingSquirrell3majic: cool, it worked thanks.01:40
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xiejip, I had a copy of the old Ubuntu on the disk01:40
xieIt didnt support my video card, so I am installing this one01:40
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majicFlyingSquirrel32, sweet!01:41
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FlyingSquirrell3majic: when I go to System > Preferences > Screen Resolution I only get 640x48001:41
FlyingSquirrell3how do I change that?01:41
jipyour disk might still be fscked up :P01:41
xietrue, but I'd rather pretend it's not because I don't have another one :D01:41
FlyingSquirrell3majic: it's not nvidia01:41
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majicFlyingSquirrel32, I'm new to Ubuntu. If I was on another distro I'd probably use xorgconfig01:42
majicor whatever the name of it is01:42
pweyershi, squirrel, i have the same problem01:42
pweyersi can only get 800x60001:42
majicinfact I'm so new that it hasn't even finished loading yet... just blew away my gentoo01:43
pweyersconfiguring the xorg.conf doesnt help, neither does the 855resolution patch01:43
FlyingSquirrell3pweyers: I did this a while ago and we have to modify a file. Do you have nvidia?01:43
bonvenonFlyingSquirrell3: you probably just need to edit your xorg.conf01:43
pweyersno, i have an intel 855 GM/GME sort of thing01:44
bonvenon...you can find it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf01:44
FlyingSquirrell3bonvenon: yah, that's it, what section?01:44
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AdmiralSennwell hello everyone01:44
AdmiralSenn...again01:44
pweyersi have tried all possible setups of the xorg.conf :)01:44
LinuxJonesFlyingSquirrell3, >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FixVideoResolutionHowto01:44
AdmiralSenngot a question here01:44
bonvenonFlyingSquirrell3: it's the screen section01:45
AdmiralSennis there a way to change the icon that displays in the corner of an application's window?01:45
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Kyozabeok01:46
KyozabeWhat's that command again...?01:46
LinuxJonesAdmiralSenn, System >> Preferences >> Themes>> Theme Details >> Icons01:46
KyozabeI mean01:46
KyozabeFor the Error 22 thing in grub01:46
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AdmiralSennthanks01:47
FlyingSquirrell3pweyers: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto01:48
pweyersthx, i am reading thru this now01:48
AdmiralSennLinuxJones: err that doesn't have anything for any of my apps01:48
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AdmiralSennso I just put icons in the .icons folder?01:49
AdmiralSennor what?01:49
bonvenonAdmiralSenn: whay apps are we talking about?01:49
KyozabeDang, doesn't anyone here have a log from a few hours ago? >.<01:49
AdmiralSennBlender and Firefox01:49
LinuxJonesAdmiralSenn, sorry I misunderstood the question :(01:49
AdmiralSennLinuxJones: 's ok01:49
MyrttiI'm at Assembly and would like to watch a Commodore64 demo with my Ubuntu laptop. I've installed VICE but the program says it needs kernal rom to operate. I've used the google but am lost about what to do. Help?01:49
AdmiralSennfor example, Blender's icon in the corner of its window is the blank window icon01:50
AdmiralSennand I want to change firefox's to the orange one01:50
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Myrttigoogle "ubuntu firefox icon take back"01:51
bonvenonAdmiralSenn: http://ubuntuguide.org/#restoreoriginaliconsfirefox01:51
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depraveis it possible to get avi codec running on ubuntu?01:52
shammyi just installed ubuntu, and i cant get xorg configured. I ran xorgcfg -textmode and entered everything corresponding with my hardware.. but still xserver wont worl. What do I need to do?01:52
bonvenonshammy: got any error messages you would like to share?01:53
Hoxzeris there any other torrent client that can choose what to download from the torrent than azureus?01:53
D1are there any 3d shooter games in synaptic?01:53
Hoxzercouse Azureus is realy heavy01:53
toad3030i'm having problems with my resolution, i have addes 1280x1024 in the config, but it still won't show up in my settings......anybody have an idea to help me out?01:53
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ColonelKernelazureus rules!!! it isnt heavy01:54
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D1is azureus only for torrents?01:54
Hoxzer:D eh...01:54
HoxzerAzureus is..01:54
Hoxzerall my downloads slow down couse it is so heavy01:54
depravewhere do you swank pimps go for your torrens these days since suprnova is down01:54
deprave?01:54
LasseLI run azureus via X forwarding on my fileserver -- that way the file servers takes the memory hit :)01:54
shammybonvenon: all i get on start up is a message stating x server cannot be started it is likely it is not set up properly01:54
Hoxzereven if I diffrend client running01:54
Hoxzerthe download speed keep jumping up and donw01:55
D1I thought azureus used to have a lot of protocols besides torrent01:55
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D1what happened to that?01:55
depravewhere do you swank pimps go for your torrents these days since suprnova is down01:55
ColonelKernelyoure thinking shareaza maybe01:55
bonvenonshammy: it use to output some messages too.01:55
D1I thought it used to support gift, fasttrack, etc.01:55
HoxzerDeprave: torrentbytes, finbytes, datamoon, filelist, pornbits, xxx-tracker, empornium, puretna01:56
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Hoxzerexisti01:56
shammybonvenon: do you mean the detailed error message it asks you if you want to view? I'll need to go boot it to get that, i can't remember it offhand01:56
Hoxzertorretbytes has seeder/leecher ratio over 800% ;)01:56
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Kyozabeok, uh01:57
hybrid_gothHoxzer:  where is this?01:57
Kyozabeis the command in windows XP to fix the booting problem I got with grub after deleting the linux partition01:57
bonvenonshammy: try sudo less /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE01:57
Hoxzerwww.torrentbytes.net01:57
Kyozabefmbr?01:57
Kyozabeor something like that?01:57
AdmiralSennbonvenon: okay, firefox works01:57
Hoxzeryou have to wait alot before they open signup01:57
shammyok bonvenon, thanks i'll go try that01:58
AdmiralSennnow to figure out how blender does it01:58
Hoxzerand if you get account you have to keep your share ratio over 1 to be sure that you dont get banned01:58
depraveis it possible to get avi codec running on ubuntu?01:58
bonvenonAdmiralSenn: ok. I don't know about blender. I haven't got that problem with my blender installation01:59
AdmiralSennhm01:59
AdmiralSennI was hoping there was some kind of dialog to do it01:59
bonvenonshammy: if you want to see the whole log file simply use  sudo less /var/log/Xorg.0.log01:59
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paulproteusdeprave: RestrictedFormats02:01
paulproteus!restrictedformats02:01
uboturestrictedformats is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'02:01
norhtedwhen i want to move something in /usr/local/ can i do it from GUI?02:02
AdmiralSennwell this is rather frustrating02:02
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GRUMBLEGR....   I am wicked frustrated02:02
bonvenonAdmiralSenn: take it easy. after all it's just an icon ;)02:03
AdmiralSennbonvenon: but.. but...02:03
AdmiralSennHULK SMASH02:03
GRUMBLEhehe02:03
GRUMBLEso I installed the stuff after the livecd worked perfectly.02:03
GRUMBLEand it halts after gnome loads02:03
GRUMBLEfull on halts02:03
shammybonvenon: it came back with EE no device detected02:03
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GRUMBLEI've got a p4 1g mem.02:04
GRUMBLEcan someone help02:04
bonvenonshammy: can you see what device it's trying to use?02:05
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AdmiralSennGRUMBLE: does it do it consistently?02:05
GRUMBLEevery time02:05
GRUMBLEI've reinstalled02:05
GRUMBLE3 times02:05
AdmiralSenndang02:05
segphaultI have a dvd burning issue. My dvd burner has 8x write speed, and k3b recognizes it as such, but for some reason it won't burn faster than about 2x02:05
GRUMBLEI dont even know the error log anymore02:05
GRUMBLEand I think I dont like gnome02:05
GRUMBLEbut its better than KDE02:05
shammybonvenon: you mean the card? when i do xorgcfg -textmode it recognizes the correct video card02:06
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GRUMBLEAdmiralSenn: I have inconsistant OK starts when I've gone in through failsafe console02:06
GRUMBLEbut I really dont know what to do at that point02:06
GRUMBLEI dont know what to reconfigure02:06
segphaultit's taking 40 minutes to burn a DVD in Ubuntu, and it only takes about 8 in debian. What could cause that problem?02:06
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GRUMBLEsegphault: have you tried setting params?02:07
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Adrosshow do i unjerkify dvd playback?02:07
bonvenonshammy: I guess the device might be any required device... mouse, keyboard and so on. not just the card02:07
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GRUMBLEAdross: stop touching yourself02:08
GRUMBLE?02:08
jk_Hey, im running ubuntu on my laptop, and I was wondering if it is possible to change the default event when I "close" the screen?02:08
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GRUMBLEjk_: yes02:08
AdrossGRUMBLE: aha, ahaha, ahahaha, do you write? Really, you should, No one would of thought that one up02:08
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shammybonvenon: i'm using a wireless mouse and keyboard, the keyboard obviously isn't having any problems.. but shold i try using a wired mouse and keyboad anyway?02:08
segphaultGRUMBLE, params?02:08
GRUMBLEAdross: I only write when I need to02:08
raven3x7!tell Adross about dma02:08
jk_can you tell me how?02:09
GRUMBLEjk: no, I cant02:09
GRUMBLEi dont know02:09
Adrosswow02:09
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Adrossthat was informative02:09
GRUMBLEI seriously need to get this crap working.02:09
Adrossi mean, seriously02:09
Adrossthat was cool02:09
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Adrosscan i take him home?02:09
jk_have any idea where i can find out :/02:09
Adrosswell, thanks guys, cya later02:10
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GRUMBLEjk_: what kind of laptop?  what brand, model,02:10
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GRUMBLEand what are you trying to change it to/from02:10
bonvenonshammy: cant you run sudo less /var/log/Xorg.0.log and search for the error line. then you might find some previous lines that gives you a better idea of what the problem is02:10
ubuntuhellooooo girls02:10
GRUMBLEheya there assyneck!02:10
segphaultjk_: you might want to look here - http://www.linux-laptop.net/02:11
jk_acer travelmate 29002:11
GRUMBLEsegphault: yeah! thats the one!02:11
AdmiralSennis there a terminal command to make something use a certain icon?02:11
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shammybonvenon: how do I search for the error line?02:11
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stevenjcan someone please help-Rhythmbox is completly locked up and I completly uninstall it and install it back and its still locked up....is there some config file I can manually delete thank!02:11
raven3x7is there a tool in ubuntu to create .deb packages from source code?02:11
bonvenonshammy: just scroll down until you find it02:11
GRUMBLEstevenj: have you tried to dl the source and build it?02:11
segphaultraven3x7: it's called 'checkinstall'02:11
shammyok02:11
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segphaultraven3x7: http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/02:12
stevenjGRUMBLE, I have never compiled anything02:12
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ubuntuholaaaaaaaaaaaa02:12
GRUMBLEI think the command is apt-get source 'pkgname' -b02:12
bonvenonshammy: all error messages are supposed to start with (EE). that's why we used grep EE earlier02:12
GRUMBLEnot sure...02:12
segphaultraven3x7: it supports a bunch of distributions, if you give it the -D flag it will build debs. It's an incredibly cool tool02:12
GRUMBLEsomthing like that02:12
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raven3x7stevenj, just dont use rythembox...02:13
GRUMBLEstevenj: make sure you build deps too... the problem might be there02:13
GRUMBLEyeah... I like XMMS02:13
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GRUMBLEcept shoutcast support is kinda ill...02:13
segphaultI've had a ton of problems with rhythmbox on ubuntu02:13
Slipaway172ditto02:14
segphaultI like rhythmbox better than any of the others tho02:14
stevenjraven3x7, any alternative?02:14
jk_seghault,thanks for the link02:14
GRUMBLEsegphault: good reason for stevenj not to use it then, whouldnt you say?02:14
Slipaway172ive had good results with xmms02:14
segphaultI'm thinking about switching to gentoo02:14
GRUMBLESo... has anyone else had any problems installing to disk but not from liveCD?02:14
raven3x7im using amarok but you may not want to get all the kde libs it needs to run02:14
segphaultubuntu just isn't as stable as it used to be02:14
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stevenjI would really like to organize my 20GB of music02:14
hybrid_gothsegphault:  ?02:15
GRUMBLEsegphault: you like the idea of a 8 day install process?02:15
segphaultif it gets me the latest and greatest software with fewer bugs, sure02:15
GRUMBLEsegphault: It may do that, but it may also cause you to go crazy cause X wont run02:15
GRUMBLEand you have to keep recompiliing02:15
raven3x7stevenj, amarok is WAY better at organizing a music collection02:15
thespiritoftalhi this is rather off topic but anyone knows about scientific linux here?02:16
GRUMBLEraven3x7: I find that my fingers are best at organizing a music collection02:16
AdmiralSennso nobody knows how to make an app's window use a specific icon?02:16
raven3x7segphault, isnt there a default tool to build deb packages?02:16
GRUMBLEAdmiralSenn: what an obscure idea,.02:16
GRUMBLEask in a dev forum or chan02:16
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AdmiralSenn#?02:16
shammybonvenon: fatal server error: no screens found02:16
raven3x7GRUMBLE, lmao02:16
segphaultraven3x7: I use checkinstall because it automates the package construction.02:17
AdmiralSennGRUMBLE: which channel?02:17
GRUMBLEraven3x7: I think there is...02:17
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GRUMBLEAdmiralSenn: gentoo???  they'd prolly know02:17
segphaultraven3x7: there is a default tool for deb package construction, but it requires more effort than I'm willing to expend02:17
stevenjraven3x7, kde :(02:17
bonvenonshammy: then it is the monitor/card that is the problem02:17
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GRUMBLEthey're 1337 hAx0Rz02:17
hybrid_gothlol02:17
macewan:) creative webcam live works well with ubuntu02:17
macewansaweeet02:17
hybrid_gothlol02:18
GRUMBLEmacewan: wanna help me get mine working?02:18
shammybonvenon: it recognizes the card as the right one.. so its the monitor?02:18
raven3x7stevenj, it runs fine in gnome but apt will fetch a lot of kde stuff02:18
macewanstep one: plug it it02:18
GRUMBLEcause ubuntu dosnt work well with me02:18
macewanstep two: profit!02:18
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hybrid_gothlol02:18
macewanno underwear involved02:18
GRUMBLEPhaze one:  Collect underpants Phaze 2:   Phaze 3: Profit!02:18
macewan:] 02:18
AdmiralSenn:D02:18
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bonvenonshammy: ok. (but even if it recognizes the card correctly I guess it might have problem using it...)02:19
stevenjraven3x7, thanks02:19
GRUMBLEREALLYYYYY NEEEDING HELP HERE02:19
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Octaneanyone here know about packaging deb files02:19
segphaultGRUMBLE: what do you need help with?02:19
GRUMBLEis there a way to install ubuntu FROM within the livecd environment?02:19
shammybonvenon: so what do i need to do? keep running xorgcfg -textmode and configuring the monitor and card until it works?02:19
AdmiralSennGRUMBLE: no02:20
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Octanei am stuck after running dh_make -- i dont know how to create the <package>.install files in /debian02:20
GRUMBLEsegphault: the shizzy no wizzy on my Pee Sizzle02:20
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Slipaway172GRUMBLE, u need the install02:20
LasseLCan you tell me how to get rid of the deamons: /usr/lib/evolution/evolution-data-server-1.2 and /usr/lib/evolution/2.2/evolution-exchange-storage ?02:20
GRUMBLEi've got the install02:20
segphaultGRUMBLE: slap it. that usually works for me02:20
GRUMBLEI've installed it02:20
dimitrisIs there a way to change the icon theme used by root?02:21
Slipaway172lol02:21
GRUMBLEit says "you're an ass!" then gives me a poo brown screen and an immotile cursor02:21
Slipaway172dimitris, WHY02:21
Slipaway172gnome is not for root use02:21
GRUMBLElike it's trying to sodamize me with it's not working02:21
hybrid_gothGRUMBLE:  o_002:21
macewanhttp://www.macewan.org/images/ubuntucreativelive!.png02:21
macewanhehe02:21
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Slipaway172dimitris,  are you just talking about changing icon set for a regular user02:21
LasseLIs there anybody besides me that has the two evolutions processes running? They use a fair bit of memory it seems - and for what?02:21
bonvenonshammy: no. doing the same thing over and over again wont solve the problem... what kind of monitor do you use?02:21
dimitrisNo the root account02:21
Slipaway172why02:22
GRUMBLEhybrid_goth:  Basizzy, the livecd works perfect.  the INSTALL cd boots and installs but the environment once on disk is not workable.02:22
GRUMBLEit halts after gnome has loaded completely02:22
Slipaway172it is highly un reccomened to use root under gdm02:22
dimitrisI use nautilus with root user sometimes and it doesn't show any icons02:22
segphaultLasseL: they start when you start evo. The evolution data server manages address book, calendar and task list. The exchange thing is for compatability with microsoft exchange server02:22
[Spooky] what was it to install a deb package ?02:22
[Spooky] dkpg -????02:22
segphaultdpkg -i02:22
[Spooky] ah thanks02:23
hybrid_gothdid you burn the cds?02:23
shammybonvenon: it's an NEC crt monitor.. MultiSync7502:23
Slipaway172dimitris, www.gnome.org has icon sets02:23
ThewrdnrdIs it possible to convert a Debian system to Ubuntu? How messy is the final result?02:23
GRUMBLEthe only thing I could think of was loading the live cd and mounting hd and coppying over all the confs and kernel02:23
LasseLsegphault, but why don't the close when I quit the program then? I don't even use evolution, but might have launched it by accident02:23
GRUMBLEThewrdnrd: REALLLLLLLYY messy02:23
GRUMBLEand viceversa02:23
xieGrr it's still not partitioning my drive during an install02:23
ThewrdnrdI'm talking about a freshly-installed system here, so there wouldn't be lots of extra cruft about beyond the base install.02:23
dimitrisI have icon sets but how do i install them so they show up in nautilus when its used under sudo nautilus?02:23
xiejust sits at 6% done02:23
bonvenonshammy: ok. try to edit your xorg configuration by hand: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf02:23
GRUMBLExie: have you tried partitioning from the live02:24
segphaultLasseL: the exchange one probably shouldn't stick around, but the data server one remains running because other applications interact with it02:24
GRUMBLE?02:24
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segphaultLasseL: use the kill command from the command line to get rid of them02:24
xieGRUMBLE, I can't boot into anything02:24
zimbaIn what package is `mkfontdir` ?02:24
GRUMBLExie: have you tried booting from the live CD?02:24
xieI don't have the live CD.02:24
bonvenonshammy: I've uploaded my xorg.conf on http://webbform.net/files/xorg.conf if you want to compare02:24
zimba^^ I messed my insall :-/02:24
GRUMBLEcause you're booted on somthing now02:24
Slipaway172dimitris, go to system - prefrences - theme02:24
xieNo02:24
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xieThis is another computer02:24
GRUMBLEoi02:24
GRUMBLEok02:24
shammyok thank you02:25
GRUMBLEhmm02:25
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shammyi'll go look at it bonvenon02:25
godzirraDoes anyone know of an HTML formatter?02:25
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xieI'm installing onto an older box, it hangs at partitioning. would using FAT32 maybe help?02:25
GRUMBLExie: what kind of drive?02:25
segphaultgodzirra: like tidyhtml?02:25
ExUser1hey what is a good distro for and old lappy.. say pentium 133, 266 or so with 2-4 gigs02:25
GRUMBLEno- no fatys02:25
godzirraOoh...  that sounds promising.02:25
LasseLsegphault, they respawn when I kill them02:25
GRUMBLEExUser1: hmmm02:25
bonvenonshammy: I have to sleep now. good luck!02:25
xieIt's a 13GB IDE drive I don't know the RPM02:25
xieI think it's a Seagate02:25
dimitris sudo gedit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf This lets me edit the theme for root but not the iconset used02:25
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segphaultgodzirra: http://tidy.sourceforge.net/02:25
GRUMBLEIDE or ATA would have been sufficient02:25
vladuz976anybody know how to change gtk2.x themes02:25
godzirrasegphault: sweet.02:26
GRUMBLEwhat kind of processor?02:26
xieI had the Warty on there, but it didn't work right, so I am trying to install Hoary02:26
emillanHi there, I'm downloading ubuntu at the moment because Fedora and Mepis are both giving me grief detecting my new S-ATA drive.  Does anyone know if I might have better luck with Ubuntu?02:26
Slipaway172theme details02:26
ExUser1pentium02:26
xieAMD K6-2-45002:26
godzirrasegphault: thanks :)02:26
GRUMBLEok02:26
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segphaultvladuz976: gnome-theme-manger02:26
GRUMBLEhmm02:26
vladuz976Slipaway172:  i am not in gnome02:26
ThewrdnrdHmmm. Asked this earlier, but is there any way to run an install remotely? Like, boot the CD, ssh in and run the installer?02:26
segphaultgodzirra: no prob02:26
Slipaway172then what02:26
GRUMBLExie: can you get into the install cd?02:26
vladuz976segphault: i am not in gnome02:26
depraveis it possible to get avi codec running on ubuntu?02:26
Slipaway172kde?02:26
dimitrisSpipaway172: Isn't that only for standard users?02:26
GRUMBLEi mean does it boot?02:26
xieWhat do you mean?02:26
ExUser1anyone know a good distro for old pc02:26
depraveis it possible to get avi codec running on ubuntu anyone know02:26
xieYeah, it boots from CD-ROM02:26
ExUser1p133-30002:26
emillanExUser1: Damn Small Linux02:26
xieI go through language selection all the way up to auto partition02:26
Slipaway172should be able as root02:26
xieAnd then ti hangs at 6%02:27
ExUser1ok02:27
emillandeprave: try mplayer...02:27
ExUser1ouyt of curiosity what are the bare system settign for ubuntu02:27
depravedoes mplayer play avi?02:27
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ExUser1Happy Day and cpu02:27
vladuz976anybody know how to change gtk2.x themes other than from the menu02:27
ExUser1.hd02:27
GRUMBLExie:  on the boot:  prompt, try expert acpi=false nolapic noapic debian-installer/probe/usb=false02:27
hybrid_gothdeprave:  yup02:27
raven3x7deprave gat w32codecs02:27
emillandeprave: yep... providing you install the codecs that are included on their download page02:27
ExUser1gHg t 02:27
ExUser1jk02:27
ExUser1Just Kidding02:27
raven3x7get02:27
GRUMBLEso that means:  boot: expert acpi=false nolapic noapic debian-installer/probe/usb=false02:27
hybrid_gothdeprave: get the codecs and it'll play damn near anything02:28
bananboxHi, i got GeForce 6800 GT gfx card, how do a change HZ i got 60hz atm i want 85Hz, can some one help me?02:28
xieWhere would I do that? It never gives me a prompt except when I can choose server install or not02:28
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LasseLbananbox, i bet you can search the gentoo forums for that :)02:28
vladuz976anybody using enlightenment?02:28
GRUMBLEwhen you boot off the CD, it gives you the ugly base prompt that says blah blah blah02:28
GRUMBLEboot:02:28
bananboxLasseL,  k, thx :)02:29
xieahh02:29
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raven3x7bananbox, run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg02:29
mebaran151anyone here having Alsa problems with an embedded Via card02:29
MikeEnIkeHey everyone02:29
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GRUMBLExie, go do that now02:29
mebaran151the Via Envy 24HT02:29
xieBRB let me try that :o02:29
rommerhow can i configure tightvncserver?02:29
mebaran151I need to get it to work02:29
godzirrasegphault: wait.. does that actually indent code?  Or just do a check on it like the w3c validator does?02:29
mebaran151argghhhh02:29
GRUMBLEI'm gonna try to help you through02:29
xieIts in the next room, let me go give it a shot02:29
spudseHi my laptop screen (compaq armada m300) turns white when ubuntu is done booting, now in the forums I found a possible solution for this, but i don't understand what it says: "Tried removing vga=771 from the bootstring, and that fixed the problem, incase anyone else have the same problem" Can anybody help me do this ?02:30
GRUMBLEyeah02:30
mebaran151is breezy X working, btw?02:30
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GRUMBLEyou do that!!!!!!!02:30
raven3x7LasseL, why would you suggest gentoo forums?02:30
segphaultgodzirra: it will do a *lot* of different things, not only indentation, but cleaning up invalid code, etc02:30
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GRUMBLEseriously...02:30
godzirraahh ok02:30
GRUMBLEcause maybe while he's doin that someone can help me fix my shizz02:30
mebaran151raven3x7: I'm trying gentoo02:30
mebaran151now02:30
dimitrisok system - preferences - themes doesn't work for root. Is there a way to sudo the theme applications so that its invoked with root priviledges?02:30
LasseLraven3x7, because overclocking graphic cards is a l337 thing02:30
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mebaran151too bad all the time I save by compiling is wasted ... compiling02:31
LasseLwas more or less kidding02:31
GRUMBLELasseL, you must be a HaX0R02:31
segphaultdimitris: sudo gnome-theme-manager02:31
philhello... what's an easy to use cd/dvd burning program?02:31
dimitristhnx02:31
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MikeEnIkeHow bad of a set up will Ubuntu run on?02:31
GRUMBLEphil: ez-cd creator?02:31
segphaultphil: I like k3b02:31
GRUMBLEnero?02:31
godzirraok.. it doesnt clean up excess whitespace so far... or I dont know how to get it to.02:31
GRUMBLEtoast02:31
spudseI tried it on a 166mhz - 96mb ram laptop, but it was terrible slow02:31
xieGRumble, no good, it doesn't map my keyboard correctly02:31
emillanphil: k3b02:32
xieI can't even type that all out02:32
segphaultgodzirra: look at the docs, there are a ton of parameters for it02:32
GRUMBLEis it booted?02:32
philoneI use k3b, but I have kde, my friend has gnome02:32
raven3x7LasseL, i dont think he wanted to overclock just change the refresh rate02:32
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xieI'm at boot:02:32
spudseWhat is the "bootstring" ?02:32
MikeEnIkeim gonna run it ona 533mhz 256 RAM I think02:32
GRUMBLEand when you tyep?02:32
tarvidMikeEnIke, passable on a 300hz GX-102:32
MikeEnIkewell I'm gonan run KDE on it02:32
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xiethe letters don't match up what I'm typing02:32
MikeEnIkeok cool thanks02:32
xieI hit "L" and I get ".l", "s" doesn't work at all etc02:32
raven3x7mebaran151, cool02:32
LasseLraven3x7, bananbox, my bad, sorry02:32
GRUMBLEhmmmm02:32
GRUMBLEare you using a mac keyboard?02:32
GRUMBLEor some wireless thing02:32
xieNo02:32
xieNope02:33
MikeEnIkeIs there anywhere that is like a guide to linux as this will be the first time I've actually had linux installed.02:33
GRUMBLEpc-104?02:33
mebaran151so can anyone help me fix my Via Envy on ubuntu02:33
xieIt's an old keyboard but its windows02:33
GRUMBLEhmmm02:33
mebaran151udev fails to make /dev/dsp02:33
GRUMBLEbackspace?02:33
xieYeah I think pc-104 maybe, someone gave this computer to me so I don't know02:33
mebaran151though the module is loaded02:33
LasseLmebaran151, most people seems to just have to turn the volume up in alsamixer, did you try that?02:33
raven3x7LasseL, i dont think there have been gfx cards running at 60Hz for quite some time ;)02:33
godzirrasegphault:  Apparently no option to clean up excess whitespace according to the quickreference. :/  I'm still looking though  :/02:33
GRUMBLExie: go try to boot regularly02:33
xieok02:33
GRUMBLEbut dont do anything after it's booted02:34
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LasseLmebaran151, as a twist to that I had to MUTE a certain channel that was set to 0 volume but not muted before I got sound02:34
xieok I'm at Language Select02:34
xiefor a fresh install02:34
GRUMBLEpush alt+f202:35
GRUMBLEthen enter02:35
jasoncohenhello everyone. I'm still having problems with my root partition. Yesterday X stopped starting because /etc/X11 wasn't accessible due to an input/output error. I did a manual fsck from the live-cd and was able to start up ubuntu. I ran the smartmon tests and my HD passed. there are 11 errors but nothing recent and the drive still is given a pass. I also ran memtest for 8 hours on the extended and regular tests (6 passes of regu02:35
jasoncohenlar test)02:35
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jasoncohenI'm again getting issues with my root partition. I booted up just a few minutes ago after finishing the memtest session and X failed to load again due to some binary not loading. I did a shutdown -Fr now and after a fsck of my root partition, ubuntu started just fine02:36
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Fr0Gshey all i got a hdd formated in linux filesystem how can i make it go back to ntfs/fat32?02:37
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xieALT F2 just bringsu p the list of steps02:37
netduris breezy usable?02:37
xiehitting enter brings me back to Languange Selection02:37
jasoncohennetdur, read the topic02:37
GRUMBLEhuh???02:37
GRUMBLEit sounds like you've got a bum keyboard02:37
shammywhen i run xorgcfg -textmode, once i'm finished it just says error failed to write to file02:37
shammyevery time02:38
GRUMBLEhow about other alt+f(x) KEYS?02:38
cyphasehey everyone02:38
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jasoncohenso, is it possible my HD is failing and the smart tests don't show a problem, or do i have some other issue?02:38
Chaotic_Shieldhey again everyone.02:38
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cyphaseno02:38
GRUMBLExie: one of them shoudl get you to console02:38
ryan_Sweet i just had some kick ass fun. i was dealing with a prob so i couldnt handle, and we couldnt do a direct remote desktop because the machine was behind a router, a firewall and a proxy. we couldnt get the ip so we tunnled thru my router(which is a pc) and got into my laptop. was pretty sweet02:38
jk_hmm, if i lock my screen, will firefox stop downloading?02:38
spudsewhat is the "standard" password for root ?02:38
Chaotic_Shieldspudse, blank.02:38
netdurjasoncohen, thanks :)02:39
Mezspudse - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo02:39
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Chaotic_ShieldYou need to open a root terminal as soon as you log in with your username and do passwd.02:39
Mez!sudo02:39
ubotuwell, sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo02:39
Chaotic_Shieldheh.02:39
Chaotic_ShieldOr that.02:39
Chaotic_Shieldjk_,  shouldn't stop firefox.02:39
spudseChaotic & Mez thanks02:39
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raven3x7jk_, nope it will continue02:39
xieI agree either the keyboard is buste02:39
jk_okay, thanks02:39
xiebusted*02:40
xieOr not being reconigzed right02:40
inc595any one familuar with BIND ?02:40
Chaotic_ShieldMez, can you help me with trying to get my wireless card to work?02:40
xieBut it worked fine with Win95 =\02:40
xieWhat file system should it be using, maybe somehow it's selecting the wrong one?02:40
jk_sleep well everybody02:40
tarvidChaotic_Shield, which wireless card02:40
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GRUMBLEI go with ext3 or reiserfs02:40
Chaotic_Shieldxie: What filesystem for Linux? I use Ext3 personally.02:40
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GRUMBLEbut any of them should work02:40
jk_(sry, en dk it is 2:40)02:41
Chaotic_Shieldtarvid, wireless card isn't listed under network interfaces.02:41
xieIt was trying Ext3 and locking up.02:41
sprinkcan ubuntu use debian packages?02:41
GRUMBLEtry reizer02:41
xieI dont know just to get it working I'll try FAT or something02:41
Chaotic_Shieldyes sprink.02:41
tarvidbut which card /chipset02:41
xieonce I get it working I can do a little more02:41
GRUMBLEFat is more unlikely to work than any other02:41
Chaotic_Shieldoh.02:41
GRUMBLEcept maybe the sun one02:41
GRUMBLEor hpfs02:41
Chaotic_ShieldDell TrueMobile 1300 tarvid02:41
xieO02:41
hybrid_gothreiserfs is good if ur not a newbie02:41
xieAhh02:42
Chaotic_Shieldtbh, ext2/3 is the easiest.02:42
Razor-Xhybrid_goth: I have gpm setup02:42
paulproteusxie: I'd test your RAM.02:42
GRUMBLEhybrid_goth, but he's getting locups when formatting02:42
Razor-Xas far as I know, gpm does nothing in X02:42
xieI'm starting to get a little bit frustrated though, everyone told me that Ubuntu just "works"02:42
tarvidnot sure about the 1300 but a lot of Dell TrueMobiles were Orinoco02:42
paulproteusxie: As soon as possible.02:42
xieOh it could be the RAM you say?02:42
GRUMBLEreiser is good cause it's easy to get around that02:42
hybrid_gothRazor-X:  i dont have ubuntu setup02:42
inc595anyone know how to make you server allow slave zone transfers?02:42
hybrid_goth:p02:42
paulproteusxie: Yes.  You should use memtest86 to test your RAM.02:42
GRUMBLEpaulproteus02:42
Razor-Xxie: try booting with memtest02:42
Chaotic_Shieldtarvid, ?02:42
Razor-Xhybrid_goth: ;)02:42
hybrid_gothno1 seeding PPC torrent02:42
tarvidChaotic_Shield, does lspci give a hint?02:42
paulproteusGRUMBLE: Hmm?02:42
GRUMBLE;it sounds like there's somthing in the keboard02:42
xieIt passes the power-on test but I haven't tried memtest02:42
GRUMBLEsorry hit enter02:42
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xieThe keyboard works fine in Windows.02:43
Chaotic_Shielddefine hint.02:43
Razor-Xxie: what kind of a keyboard is it?02:43
GRUMBLEpaulproteus, maybe you can help me?02:43
paulproteusGRUMBLE: What do you want?02:43
tarvidlspci should give you the chipset info02:43
inc595evil M$ keyboard?02:43
Chaotic_Shieldah.02:43
xieIts a standard keyboard but with the very old plugs02:43
tarvidthe chipset info leads to the driver02:43
xienot the small ps/2 sized ones02:43
inc595at style huh02:43
Razor-Xxie: oh, it's an AT Connector?02:43
GRUMBLEI've been trying to get ubuntu working from hard drive for some days now02:43
paulproteusxie: Oh, the "AT Style DIN connector".02:43
spudseWhen I boot Ubuntu everything goes fine until I get a grey screen that fades to total white within 2 seconds.02:43
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Chaotic_Shieldnone tarvid02:43
paulproteusGRUMBLE: What problem do you have?02:43
Razor-Xdo you have a native adapter?02:44
spudsecntrl+alt+F1 works fine, just graphics don't work, can anybody help me ?02:44
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xieI don't have an adapter and it doesn't have a keyboard port other than that02:44
GRUMBLEworks fine from CD, installs fine from install cd, but when I boot into the environment, gnome loads then everything halts- failsafe terminal is the onlyone I've been able to use02:44
Razor-Xxie: how old is this machine?02:44
tarvidChaotic_Shield, does it pwoer up? i.e. do you hear the beep and doeas a light on the card light?02:44
Razor-XAT Connectors are from pre-90s02:44
xieI have no idea, relatively old but not insanely old.02:44
paulproteusRazor-X: The system I put together (baby AT motherboard) in 1998 had an AT style din connector.02:44
Razor-Xxie: what version of Windows do you run?02:44
Chaotic_Shieldtarvid, it's a built in card. I wouldn't hear anything or see any lights.02:44
paulproteusxie: Please do test the RAM.02:45
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xieIt RAN 95, before I formatted02:45
Razor-Xpaulproteus: wow, that's pretty old nowadays02:45
inc595my celeron has AT connector02:45
xieI'm downloading memtest now02:45
paulproteusGRUMBLE: You, test your RAM too. :)02:45
Razor-Xxie: now, what does it run?02:45
GRUMBLEhehehe02:45
GRUMBLEdod02:45
xieIt runs nothing! :)02:45
paulproteusRazor-X: I stopped using that system.02:45
GRUMBLEmean did02:45
xiethat's the problem02:45
Chaotic_Shieldbut the Device Manager sees it, so it's working.02:45
inc595it works fine till the header fell off02:45
paulproteusGRUMBLE: Oh, that's sad.02:45
Razor-Xinc595: ``Celeron''s have been used for ages02:45
xieIt didn't run Ubuntu Warty and won't even install Ubuntu Hoary02:45
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GRUMBLEi'm confused... why would it work from the CD and not from the disk02:45
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inc595Razor-X, =) yup02:45
Chaotic_Shieldbecause.02:45
Mezxie: old cmops wont be able to run it02:45
Razor-Xxie: you're saying that Ubuntu will setup on a machine that Windows 95 used?02:45
paulproteusbad blocks, GRUMBLE?02:45
GRUMBLEseriously02:45
paulproteustty later, all02:45
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GRUMBLEnot likely02:46
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GRUMBLEassklown02:46
GRUMBLEbbl02:46
Razor-Xfor your purposes, xie, you want DSL (Damn Small Linux)02:46
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xieWhy wouldn't Ubuntu work? I had it installed before, it just didn't support the video card.02:46
tarvidChaotic_Shield, argh! it's a bcm, Linuxant would work but I would replace the mini-pci card with something that works02:46
Chaotic_ShieldIt works fine! It's Linux that's the problem.02:47
tarvidChaotic_Shield, the nl-3054s are on ebay for about $2502:47
Chaotic_ShieldI have $0.02:47
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Chaotic_ShieldAnd I'm not ordering a wlan card for a laptop I'm not even going to own in 3 months.02:47
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Chaotic_Shieldbut it should work.02:47
inc595Razor-X,  it's  366MHz overclocked to 411MHz and I have it running dns, apache, ftp, mail, x-windows02:48
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Chaotic_ShieldWhy doesn't Ubuntu recognize the card as a network interface?02:48
tarvidChaotic_Shield, it is the proprietary drivers. You might try ndiswrapper (free) or Linuxant (~$20) or a card for about $2502:48
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tarvidChaotic_Shield, because their is no driver for the chipset02:48
xieThis computer ran win95 without a problem, it should run Ubuntu02:48
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xieIt has a 450MHz processor02:48
Chaotic_Shieldxie: don't count on it.02:48
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inc595hey my laptop i'm on now is slower than 450MHz02:49
xieWell it's useless to me if it doesn't run Ubuntu ;)02:49
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xieI don't have any other OS02:49
tarvidChaotic_Shield, I had a similar problem with the mini-pci nic on my thinkpad, eventually I replaced the hardware rather than beat myself on the head over the driver02:49
shakuhashido you use ubuntu with ltsp?02:49
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Chaotic_Shieldlitestep? I thought that was an explorer shell replacement.02:50
inc595actually i'm on a amd-k6 450MHz laptop02:50
xiethats the same processor I'm using02:50
xieSo I know it will work02:50
xieamd-k6-2 45002:50
inc59596MB of ram02:50
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Chaotic_Shieldlol02:51
Mabushi, I'm having some problems with the Eclipse IDE; when I try to run a simple project (just a System.out.println() thing), I get two errors in the Eclipse Error Log.02:51
xieLet me Memtest, this second chip of RAM could be bad, though I dont know if that would be the reason for a partition hang02:51
inc595it worked on my 233MHx laptop.. damn i have a lot of old hardware02:51
Mabus"Illegal XML character U+0" and "Unhandled event loop exception", they both occur in the "org.eclipse.ui" Plug-In02:51
Mabusanyone know what I can do to fix it ?02:51
shammyHI, i just installed ubuntu and cant get xserver configured. I go through the xorgcfg -textmode prompts and write it to the file, then i went to check the file and it didn't exist.. so i ran xorgcfg again and this time i got write failed! file not written02:52
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Mabusshammy, tried running it with sudo ?02:52
inc595xie, here's my server's info http://ubuntu.minimzx.com/phpsysinfo/02:52
dieguitohi everyone02:53
dieguitocan anyone help me02:53
hybrid_gothdieguito:  not untill you ask your question02:53
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shammymabus: no i haven't, would i need to?02:53
tremblayHello.02:53
xieIts bad RAM02:54
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dieguitothanks   hybrid_goth02:54
xieMemtest86 is going insane with ERRORS02:54
xieI have a bad stick in slot 202:54
jason_anybody know how to get X working on breezy?02:54
hybrid_goth;-)02:54
dieguitoThis is....I have  wireless car Dlink DWL 65002:54
spudseCan anybody help me with my Ubuntu screen problem ?02:54
dieguitobut it doent work in my ubuntu02:54
hybrid_gothis it supported by linux?02:54
dieguitoy tried de widnows's driver and ndiswraper02:55
xieI'm going to try and pull this chip out, I bet it's screwing up every time it tries to use this RAM02:55
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hybrid_goththe windows driver wont do anything02:55
inc595that'll do it xie02:55
dieguitoit soopuse to be02:55
Mabusshammy: no idea, but from what you're saying you want to write the Xorg config file, is that right ?02:55
Chaotic_Shieldhybrid_goth, have you ever tried ndiswrapper by any chance?02:55
Mabusshammy: if so, you'll need to be root, and so you should use sudo02:55
iceman2kAny lucky fool here runnung Ubuntu 64 bit and Windows xp pro 64 bit ... duel boot ?02:56
dieguitoand ndiswraper02:56
hybrid_gothChaotic_Shield:  nope02:56
jason_iceman2k02:56
jason_I have got that to work in the past02:56
jason_whats the problem?02:56
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jason_grub?02:56
Chaotic_Shieldah.02:56
hybrid_gothChaotic_Shield:  why?02:56
dieguitowhat do you recomend?02:56
iceman2kjust set the system up, got windows installed .. now need to set up ubuntu... any issues to look for ?02:57
Chaotic_Shieldhybrid_goth, because. I'm going to try it out and see if it gets my wlan card to work.02:57
Chaotic_Shieldand btw.02:57
jason_iceman2k it should work fine02:57
schneemannhye everyone, I've been having a problem with dual-booting ubuntu and windows with grub, for some reason, it keeps rebooting whenever I try to boot into windows, and sometimes it takes like 9 tries to successfully boot... anyone know how to fix this?02:57
jason_do you have an extra partition for Ubuntu?02:57
iceman2kjason_ ubuntu handle the partitioning ok ?02:57
iceman2knot set you ...02:57
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Chaotic_ShieldSometimes when I restart my computer, GRUB doesn't load. It just restarts my computer over and over. Is there any way to a) either fix this from happening again, or b) make it so I can install GRUB back to the MBR without reinstalling Ubuntu?02:58
jason_you must have a free partition if you plan on using Hoary02:58
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hybrid_gothbbiab02:58
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iceman2kcan reinstall windows if needed ... so need to do that .. what about a secong harddrive ?02:58
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MabusChaotic_Shield: you can reinstall GRUB with a livecd, but it's quite tricky.02:58
moparfan90_hello. does anyone here use fluxbox?02:59
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iceman2khad to make the move to 64 bit .. AMD 2800... it blows my old p4 2.8 away ... so far02:59
Chaotic_ShieldMabus, I was thinking a way to just make a cd with GRUB on it that I can say "Here, reinstall to MBR and reboot"02:59
jason_iceman2k: yes, you can re-install Windows but the windows bootloader will overwrite grub so you will need to find a way to restore it if you have Windows already installed03:00
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MabusChaotic_Shield: I think you're out of luck then, it's not that easy.03:00
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moparfan90anyone use fluxbox03:00
moparfan90?03:00
xieRAM out, just one stick left in, rebooting into memtest03:00
MabusYou might find something though; I just know I was looking for the same thing a few months ago and ended up doing things the hard way - putting GRUB into the MBR manually.03:00
jason_you should be able to resize you partition in Windows and make some freespace for Ubuntu and it will handle the partitioning if you have a blank partition03:00
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iceman2kjason_ no ubuntu installed yet .... will ubuntu allow me to resize the partitions ...03:00
jason_no03:00
Chaotic_Shieldiceman2k, I believe so.03:00
mebaran151does Breezy have an X that works yet?03:00
jason_the next version will03:01
Chaotic_Shieldah nvm then.03:01
mebaran151I am willing to build my own nvidia driver03:01
mebaran151(it will be more recent anyway)03:01
Mabusyes, Breezy has an X that works03:01
jason_mebaran151: I am currently using bitchx from a command line in Breezy what do you think ;)03:01
Mabuscurrently03:01
iceman2konly running xp beta ... but will run the 120 expiration hack ...03:01
jason_no it doesn't03:01
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Mabuswell mine does03:01
jason_?03:01
jason_what did you do?03:01
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mebaran151jason_, because you are ridiculoulsy 1337 ....03:02
tarvidmebaran151, I am running breezy with X03:02
hybrid_gothjason_:  use irssi it makes bitchx look like a childs toy03:02
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iceman2kDownloaded the xp beta .... but theres a way around the 120 expiration03:02
jason_yeah03:02
tarvidthe problem is there is no suitable nvidia-kernel at the moment03:02
jason_I beat it03:02
Razor-Xhey, vi users, how do you people feel about (t)csh ?03:02
jason_search on google for windows x64 activation crack03:02
Razor-Xiceman2k: warez doesen't belong here03:02
Razor-Xjason_: BitchX kicks ass ;)03:02
hybrid_gothheh there is more ppl in #ubuntu then #linux03:02
Razor-Xdon't listen to those irssi n00bs, meh03:03
iceman2kprefer ubuntu over winblows ... but have to use winblows for a few games ..03:03
jason_ok rock on Razor-X03:03
mebaran151tarvid: that is not so true03:03
hybrid_gothbitchx is for kids03:03
mebaran151for me at least03:03
jason_no cedega love iceman2k?03:03
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mebaran151nvidia-kernel never works as I need a lter edition of the driver than is comitted03:03
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mebaran151(I always dll it)03:03
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Razor-Xmebaran151: how do you like (t)csh?03:03
tarvidmebaran151, which part is not so true03:03
occyanyone here know how to make it so that the touchpad is turned off when your USB mouse is plugged in?03:04
jason_so how do I get X working in breezy03:04
jason_?03:04
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mebaran151Razor-X: haven't used it in a while03:04
jason_I am using amd64 if that is currently behind03:04
mebaran151bash was nicer03:04
mebaran151jasonme too03:04
Razor-Xoccy: you have to write a script to disable input from that device03:04
Razor-Xmebaran151: hater! XD03:04
occyRazor-X, :/03:04
Razor-Xthe creator of vi made csh03:04
jason_meh I just did a dist-upgrade and no go03:05
Razor-Xsuch a good program, spawned such a bad shell03:05
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mebaran151Razor-X: enoug said ....03:05
mebaran151vi was horrible!03:05
iceman2kjason_ wish more software were available for 64 bit ...03:05
Razor-Xmebaran151: well, you prefer csh over ash?03:05
Blaze"Cant't mount no such device.." ??    - dd_rescue -b 512 -B 256 if=/media/cdrom0 of=/home/bill/CD-retail-errors.iso03:05
mebaran151jason, yeah, dist upgrade is bad03:05
jason_like what?03:05
tarvidjason_, look in /etc/X11 and see where the symbolic link for X points to03:05
mebaran151Razor-X: I have never used ash03:05
Razor-Xmebaran151: trust me, I don't think you will03:05
Chaotic_Shieldanyone here compiled ndiswrapper before?03:05
jason_how do I do that tarvid?03:05
tarvidls -la /etc/X1103:06
Blaze!ndiswrapper03:06
ubotuit has been said that ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper03:06
xieWhoever said it was my RAM03:06
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xieI love you03:06
jason_it points to two places03:06
iceman2kAny mainstream games for linux 64 bit03:06
Razor-Xxie: meh03:06
hybrid_gothRazor-X:  is nano flash?03:06
xieI took out the bad stick, am down to 64MB but am installing Ubuntu =)03:06
Razor-Xyou should'nt love that person03:06
Razor-Xhybrid_goth: yeah03:06
jason_to /usr/bin/X1103:06
Razor-Xyou should smother him03:06
xieThis has been plaguing me for 4 days now03:07
jason_xORG03:07
Razor-Xbecause bad RAM is a bad problem03:07
mebaran151Razor-X: no what I love03:07
xieWell. At least I still have one working stick.03:07
mebaran151when gentoo for five days03:07
mebaran151does nothing to compile03:07
jason_and /usr/X11R6/bin/x03:07
xie64mb isn't terrible, I can get a new stick on monday03:07
mebaran151but compile I mean03:07
hybrid_gothmebaran151: heh03:07
mebaran151and in the end03:07
tremblayI'm trying to create a script (which can be executed from the gnome-panel) that will run a sudo command... however this is not possible. Anyone have ideas on ways to get around this?03:07
mebaran151I gained .4 seconds over my ubuntu benchmark03:07
iceman2konly paid $200 for a SOYO Dragon gamming case, Abit K8V motherboard and a AMD 64 2800 processor ....03:07
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tarvidjason_, remove that link and make a new one pointing to /usr/bin/Xorg03:07
ryan_Has anyone here got ut2k3 on disc?03:08
mebaran151tremblay: gksudo03:08
apuntohi guys03:08
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ryan_:-\03:08
tarvidit's one level back03:08
jason_temblay gksu sudo?03:08
jason_tremblay gksu sudo?03:08
xieIceman, what core? You can overclock that to 3200+ speeds03:08
xieWith good cooling, if it's a good core03:08
hybrid_gothtremblay:  gtksu?03:08
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tremblayThanks. How does it work exactly?03:08
jason_I have a 3000+03:08
jason_it goes to 3400+ speeds03:08
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xieI'm trying to save up for a Venice 3500+03:08
iceman2kxie awsome ... still wainting on a better cpu fan ... get it monday ...03:08
apuntou gave a question....gksudo is not working for me (it says "wrong password")...do i have to modify a particular file to allow a non privilaged user access to run the gksudo command?03:09
LasseLbetter to underclock a little and enjoy the silence :p03:09
jason_ryan_ I have ut2004 on disc03:09
xieAMDs aren't particularly loud =)03:09
apuntosorry about the typos03:09
iceman2kxie ... quite as a mouse .... so far ...03:09
jason_AMDs are more effecient now than Intel desktop chips03:09
iceman2kinstaled farcry ... now downloading the 64 bit patch03:09
xiePentium M chips are the new hotness03:10
xieI can't wait until Intel releases a similar desktop line03:10
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jason_but they are not 64 bit yet03:10
xieSo?03:10
ryan_jason, its ut2k3 linux-install.sh i need03:10
xieDo you even have 64 bit OS?03:10
jason_no 4gb of ram ;)03:10
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xie... way too much unless you're a professional video editor03:10
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iceman2kxie windows xp pro 64 bit ... as well as ubuntu 64 .. still need to install ubuntu yet03:11
mebaran151xie: or you compile stuff03:11
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xieNo 64 bit os = NO performance gain with a 64 bit processor03:11
jason_or want to leave every app open you use and never hit swap03:11
xieWell then have fun, it's just a waste.03:11
mebaran151xie: uh I wouldn say that completely03:11
mebaran151try encoding or compiling03:11
jason_compile times are faster03:11
jason_about 30 percent03:11
mebaran151the AMD64 stuff is about twice as fast03:11
jason_I have benchmarked03:11
mebaran151in encoding03:12
xieIn a 32 bit OS?03:12
mebaran151compiling is a third faster03:12
poningrucan you 32 bit apps in 64 bit os?03:12
mebaran151xie, no in a 64 bit oss03:12
jason_yes03:12
xieOh I know that.03:12
mebaran151poningru: you can03:12
xieI said WITHOUT a 64-bit OS, there is no gain.03:12
mebaran151but you wouldnt03:12
jason_pningru yes03:12
poningrucool03:12
Razor-Xwhat's the current BASH version?03:12
mebaran151xie: well you lose half the reisters03:12
poningruthen why arent people using03:12
iceman2kWent from a Pentiium 4 2.8 ghz system to this AMD 2800 64 bit .. and there is a heck of a difference ..03:12
Razor-Xjason_: you don't use tab complete?03:12
poningruthe flash in 64 bit03:12
Chaotic_Shieldyou can install 32 bit apps on a 64 bit os if there's backwards compatibility.03:12
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jason_yeah but the amd64s are more effecient than amd xps03:12
poningruiceman2k: percieved difference03:12
xieBecause Windows XP 64 bit is very new, and there is very very poor driver support.03:12
inc595anyone know how to have dns allow slave zone xfers?03:13
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mebaran151xie: I was testing it 6 months ago03:13
poningruiceman2k: did you do benchpressing?03:13
mebaran151it ... didnt ... work ... at ... all03:13
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iceman2kponingru not et ...03:13
xieYeah, I tried it at work and it didn't work with pretty much anything I had03:13
xiebrb checking ubuntu install03:13
LinuxJonesiceman2k, the AMD  is running well ?03:13
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mark!backports03:13
poningruwell thats the question03:13
ubotufrom memory, backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted03:13
iceman2kneed to add at least 512 more ram ... maybe a gig ...03:13
mebaran151the chroo is WAY more trouble than it is worth03:14
shammywhen i run sudo xorgcfg -textmode, and try to write to file, it says it writes but the file is still empty. What can i do to configure x?03:14
mebaran151esp with Ming do flash ok nowadays03:14
jason_not really there is a guide on ubuntuforums on how to set one up03:14
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mebaran151jason_, Imeant for my own apps03:14
jason_its the only way to use w32codecs03:14
mebaran151trying to compile against it is just hard03:14
mebaran151just one more bug to worry about03:15
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Razor-Xinsinuating what?03:15
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iceman2kThe install went well so far ... for everything ... but just getting started... not sure what will or will not work03:16
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xieOut of the box, does ubuntu have basic DUN capabilities?03:16
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tremblayIs a 64bit processor's performance directly related to the amount of RAM? (ie, is there a threshold of gbs of RAM to have to get a performance boost?)03:16
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xieNo, RAM will boost any system up to a point03:17
Razor-Xxie: depends if your modem is supported03:17
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Razor-Xand whether they're winmodems or not03:17
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tremblaySo a 64bit processor with 512mb of RAM should still get a performance boost in running 64bit apps compared to a 32bit proc with  32bit apps?03:17
xieAfter 2GB unless you are compiling or doing heavy 3d/video editing you won't see any boost.03:17
xieIf you don't have a 64 bit OS you won't see any gain anyway.03:18
Razor-Xxie: or any other memory intensive thing03:18
xieAnd 512MB of RAM will bottleneck anyway, I wouldn't go that low.03:18
iceman2kI got only 512 ... currently ... but thats the next upgrade ...03:18
Razor-Xlike that one FPS game written in 6 kb03:18
xieYeah but those are the two most basic examples03:18
xieOh god that game destroyed 512mb of RAM03:18
Razor-XI got 256, people03:18
xieI had 256 until a few weeks ago03:18
Razor-X;)03:18
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xieI upgraded to 1GB, 900% performance boost (exaggerated)03:19
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iceman2khay ... one step at a time .... basic system ... next ram ...03:20
xieRAM is so cheap03:20
xie$80 for 1gb03:20
iceman2k80 gig harddrive ... with a 40 in reserve ..03:20
xiePC320003:20
Razor-Xxie: that's _real_ cheap03:20
Razor-Xfor kids who save up money with lunch money, that's not cheap03:20
Razor-Xand parents who could care less about how new the technology is03:20
iceman2kamd will kick all ram baco to 333 mhz ... so i'll stick with 2700 ddr for now03:21
xieWhen you're building a system and you buy one 512 stick for $45-5003:21
Razor-Xxie: my parents don't let me ;)03:21
xieFor the extra few dollars it's such a boost, especially with Dual Channel03:21
Razor-Xnor do they let me get a job, but that's another story there03:21
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Razor-XI know my hardware03:21
xieI work two jobs and I can't afford a new computer, I know how it is.03:21
iceman2kgot to see if the MOBO will support duel channel03:21
xieI'm just saying that you should always aspire to at least 1GB of RAM03:21
tremblayI have a laptop, so RAM is a bit more expensive.03:22
xieespecially if you play games like HL203:22
rommericeman2k: does the ram fight each other?03:22
jamesi spend all my mony on my server, costs alot to keep going03:22
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Razor-XI haven't played a modern game since Morrowind03:22
Razor-Xnow i'm comfortable with NetHack03:22
iceman2kone stick of ram currently ...03:22
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iceman2k512 meg ...03:22
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xieiceman, you can't do dual channel anyway unless you get the exact same stick03:23
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iceman2koh , if this mobo will support it .. i'll get it03:23
xiePatriot 512MB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 333 (PC 2700) Unbuffered System Memory Model PSD512333 - Retail - $42.2503:23
Razor-Xthat's because I have 32 MB GPU03:23
Razor-Xwhich is so sad.... meh ;)03:24
Razor-XI now try and optimize my software as much as I can, and tailor everything to my tastes03:24
iceman2kbrb update farcry time03:24
Razor-Xit's very effective, nobody knows how to use the machine03:24
jamesi am setting up a forrum on my site, as of yestarday, i am planning on having a linux support section, check it out and join at http://www.deusweb.linux-site.net/03:24
karimis there a way to change the mac adress of a network card ?03:24
Razor-XDvorak, Trackball, zsh, mmmmmm ;)03:24
xiekarim, you can spoof them, but you can't change them, it's a hardware thing03:25
Razor-Xkarim: you can spoof 'em, but nothing physical03:25
Razor-Xwhy?03:25
Razor-X*cough need free internet? *cough*03:25
karimto bind another ip03:25
karimon the modem03:25
karimRazor-X, kind of03:25
xieI wish my neighbors had a wireless network :( stupid DIal up03:25
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Razor-XI do03:25
Razor-XI let some neighbors bite off me for a while03:25
lukeDoes anyone know if there's a program like PeerGuardian for Linux?03:26
karimRazor-X, well, I managed to change the mac adress of the on board nic03:26
Razor-Xthen, one day, I just got pissed, and closed limited my wireless by MAC03:26
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karimRazor-X, why did you get pissed ?03:26
Razor-Xluke: if you use legal things, I don't think you'll need Peer Guardian03:26
iceman2khanging system ... ?03:26
linlinIs there an easy way to change my screen resolution in ubuntu?03:26
Razor-X(which is a fscking memory hog)03:26
karimRazor-X, I could change it by flashing the mother board bios03:26
Razor-Xkarim: because _we_ pay $50 for _our_ internet03:27
karimsomething like tha03:27
karimthat03:27
Razor-Xkarim: I doubt it03:27
Razor-XMAC is universal03:27
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zanysmashhey03:27
xiehttp://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/WishList/WishShareShow.asp?ID=1522377 this is the computer I want to build =\03:27
lukeRazpr-X: Understood. But I download backup copies of movies that I actually own instead of ripping them.03:27
Razor-Xit's a 1 MB line her, on fiber optic ;)03:27
Razor-Xluke: then you'll ave no trouble03:27
lukeRazor-X: And music, too.03:27
karimRazor-X, the guys managed to change the rom of the card so it could pxe boot03:28
Octaneanyone know where aptitude stores the deb files? i know apt stores it in /var/cache/apt but where does aptitude?03:28
Razor-Xif the RIAA knocks, show them your legal copies, and they leave03:28
karimRazor-X, and you could change the mac03:28
lukeRazor-X: While true, I don't want that kind of attention anyway.03:28
Razor-Xkarim: that's pretty hard in most things, and keeping it usable, but possible03:28
xieGah newegg deleted my DVD DW03:28
xieRW03:28
iceman2kxie what system03:28
Razor-Xluke: you used google?03:28
Razor-Xhttp://methlabs.org/projects/peerguardian-linuxosx/03:28
karimRazor-X, it was a ecs k7s5aL but it died in a white cloud of smoke03:28
xiehttp://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/WishList/WishShareShow.asp?ID=152237703:29
Razor-X``Google Search: Peer Guardian Linux''03:29
xieThat system03:29
Razor-Xthat's the first link right there03:29
lukeRazor-X: I did briefly. Didn't try too hard. Thanks03:29
xieBut add in an NEC DVD+/-RW03:29
karimso how can I spoof the mac adress ?03:29
iceman2kAntec Solution SLK2650-BQE Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 350W Power Supply - Retail03:29
iceman2kModel #:  SLK2650-BQE03:29
Razor-Xkarim: that's out of the scope of this channel, but I can look up some good tutorials for ya03:29
xie?03:29
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Razor-Xand all the rest of you interested in network security03:30
kyncanikarim seen macchanger ?03:30
karimkyncani, nope, I will check that03:30
norhtedhi everyone, what is the fastest way to see .tex files?03:30
Razor-Xnorhted: they're plain text files03:30
xieiceman, what about it?03:30
karimRazor-X, anyway I could also use another nic :)03:30
Razor-Xyou see them in a text editor03:30
Razor-Xkarim: yeah, meh03:30
linlinHow do i change screen resolution in ubuntu03:30
norhtedRazor-X: yes but i want to see them formatted03:30
Razor-Xnorhted: are ya using LaTeX for the first time? (just wondering)03:31
norhtedlinlin: system-preferences-screen resolution from your GUI03:31
norhtedRazor-X: yes03:31
zanysmashhow do i remove ipv6 from my connections ?03:31
zanysmashnetwork connections03:31
Razor-Xnorhted: ahhh, I suggest lshort.pdf to get started03:31
Razor-Xand latex foo.tex produces dvi output03:32
Belutzwhat?s the purposes of LaTeX ?03:32
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karimkyncani, in fact I searched "mac change" with apt-cache search, but it returned to much result03:32
Razor-Xyou'll need a dvi viewer, else you want to convert the dvi input to ps/pdf/a billion other formats03:32
karimso I gave up ^^03:32
iceman2kbrb soon03:32
Razor-XBelutz: it's a typesetting language03:32
kyncanikarim: i did the same thing with additionnal keyword address ;)03:32
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norhtedRazor-X: well how can i do that?03:33
linlinIs there a way to goto a screen resolution not in that list?03:33
BelutzRazor-X, typesetting language? do you mean it?s a programming languange?03:33
Razor-XBelutz: it's a format that contains a parsed set of commands03:33
Razor-Xs/parsed/parsable/03:33
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Belutzlinlin, you could edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf03:33
Razor-Xbut it doesen't create a ``program''03:33
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Razor-Xnorhted: there are dvi viewers03:34
BelutzRazor-X, ic... what it usually use for?03:34
norhtedBelutz: especially they are good for math symbols03:34
xieUbuntu install complete, rebooting, hoping the monitor works03:34
xieIt didn't in Warty =\03:34
shammywhen i run sudo xorgcfg -textmode, and try to write to file, it says it writes but the file is still empty. What can i do to configure x?03:34
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Belutznorhted, ic03:35
norhtedRazor-X: and these viewers will help me to see .tex files in formatted; right?03:35
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Madpilothi all03:36
CinI'm going insane trying to find out how to configure 3D acceleration to my gfx card, forums contain people who have already configured it. agghhh03:36
sprinkis it possible to install kde instead of gnome from the install cd?03:36
karimsprink, kubuntu03:37
Madpilotsprink: if you download the Kubuntu CD, yes03:37
hopengwhy my ubuntu won't save my screen resolution (1152), it always comes back to 1024...03:37
karimsprink, there is a special cd with kde03:37
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robotgeekhopeng: still stuck with 1024?03:37
sprinkdoes that also have the same support as ubuntu? like security patch support and stuff?03:37
robotgeekMadpilot: hi03:37
Cinmy res is reet now, i used ubuntuguide.org's guide and it got me the right reses03:37
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hopenglol robotgeek  !! howdy, i can do 1152x86403:37
hopengbut after i relogin, it goes back to 102403:38
norhtedRazor-X: ?03:38
sprinkdang. I guess I just downloaded and installed the wrong distro :(03:38
robotgeekhopeng: it's in your xorg file right?03:38
Cinbut i've clearly not got 3D acceleration, GL screen savers and whatnot at giving 15fps rather than the supposed to be 75fps03:38
occyRazor-X, I tried the instructions found here:   http://www.wlug.org.nz/HotPlugNotes   (half-way down the page): Disabling the touchpad when a USB mouse is added  ||  It didn't seem to work. :/03:38
Madpilotsprink: you can change from Gnome to KDE without re-installing everything03:39
Razor-Xnorhted: back03:39
robotgeekoccy: if u are on ppc, you can try powerprefs03:39
Razor-Xnorhted: first run ``latex foo.tex''03:39
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Razor-Xthat'll get you a .dvi03:39
LinuxJoneshopeng,  >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FixVideoResolutionHowto03:39
hopengrobotgeek, default 24, i put only 1152 on 24, still no clue03:39
Razor-Xthen, get a dvi viewer03:39
Madpilotsprink: but I've never done it myself03:39
Razor-X(I suggest KDVI, but it is a KDE app, xgdvi is o-k, nothing special)03:39
Razor-Xthen open it up in your DVI viewer, and b00m ;)03:40
sprinkmacewan. can I use aptitude to remove gnome. then install kde with apt-get? (if I use ubuntu cd)03:40
sprinkMadpilot*03:40
occyrobotgeek, nope... x8603:40
robotgeekoccy: i dunno abt x86, sorry03:40
Razor-Xnorhted: maybe try tkdvi?03:40
norhtedRazor-X: bash: latex: command not found03:40
occynp03:40
Madpilotsprink: I think you can just install KDE right over Gnome - but I've never done it, so I'm not sure!03:40
Razor-Xnorhted: ...................03:40
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occyget Xfree/Xorg to use /dev/input/mice as the core pointer, of type IMPS/2. All mice on the system send events via /dev/input/mice as well as each individual /dev/input/mouse<n> device. Add a secondary mouse that points to /dev/input/touchpad.03:40
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Belutzsprink, u could install the kubuntu-desktop, using sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop03:41
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hopengrobotgeek, LinuxJones, any software that can do 'quoating the client's bandwith?'03:41
occyactually, not sure about that line.03:41
Razor-Xnorhted: you _did_ install LaTeX, right?03:41
occydon't think I did that.03:41
occyheh03:41
norhtedRazor-X: nope :(03:41
sprinkBelutz. then I could remove gnome?03:41
Razor-Xnorhted: meh03:41
LinuxJoneshopeng, squid proxy server03:41
Razor-Xsudo aptitude install tetex03:41
norhtedRazor-X:  :)03:41
robotgeekhopeng: quoting??03:41
Belutzsprink, i think so03:41
Razor-Xthere you are03:41
hopeng*quoating03:41
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hopeng*limiting03:41
norhtedRazor-X: i was just asking how to do it :)03:41
hopengtq03:41
Razor-Xnorhted: well, check out lshort.pdf03:41
Razor-Xit'll get you started in LaTeX in no time03:42
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norhtedRazor-X: from where?03:42
Razor-Xnorhted: google03:42
hopengHow to screen calibrate ?03:42
norhtedRazor-X: yeah, right :((03:42
norhted:))03:42
Razor-Xnorhted: it should be available in the first result03:42
Razor-Xit's a very widespread document, available on various P2Ps as well03:42
Belutzsleepy... haven?t sleep yet03:43
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norhtedRazor-X: yeah i found it03:43
necrogamiis there a gui for iptables?03:43
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karim_nice I have a new ip now03:43
necrogami!find iptables03:43
LinuxJoneshopeng, You can do it with iptables as well >> http://www.roback.cc/howtos/bandwidth.php03:43
ubotuUbuntu Package Listing of 'iptables' (3 shown): iptables ;; iptables-dev ;; libiptables-ipv4-ipqueue-perl.03:43
isaiI followed the instructions on the Ubuntu wiki on how to setup Java (SDK only). It works on the command line but in firefox it says I need the JRE to run the java plugin. Is it okay if I install both the SDK and JRE to get the plugin working? Or should it already work with just the SDK?03:43
Razor-Xisai: do you develop Java?03:43
depraveis it possible to get avi codec running on ubuntu anyone know03:43
Razor-X!tell deprave about restrictedformats03:44
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isaiRazor-X: no, I just want the firefox plugin.03:44
Razor-Xisai: then why did you use the SDK?03:44
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Razor-XSDK == Standard Developer's Kit03:44
AndaresWrong.03:44
AndaresSDK == Software Developer's Kit03:44
Razor-XAndares: that matters?03:44
isaiRazor-X: because that's what the instructions on the wiki said to do.03:44
Razor-Xisai: meh03:44
Razor-Xyou'll want the JRE03:44
AndaresRazor-X, YES!03:44
jmetI am having a horrible time of installing the latest nvidia driver03:45
Razor-XAndares: ahhh, my bad ;)03:45
Andares;) j/k03:45
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JemtHi. Is there someone who can tell me how to turn off my wireless network card? I'd like to make my laptop run on battery as long as possible03:45
robotgeekRazor-X: lshort.pdf is Not so short introduction, right?03:45
Razor-XJemt, and jmet, meh03:45
Razor-Xrobotgeek: yeah03:45
Razor-Xincredible stuff03:45
isaiDo I uninstall the SDK first and then install the JDK. Or is it okay to have both installed?03:45
hopengrobotgeek, LinuxJones thx a lot!03:45
JemtRazor-X, Hehe :)03:45
Razor-Xisai: it's fine to have both03:45
jmetRazor, ?03:45
hopenghow to open .RAR archive ?03:46
Jemtjmet : See our nicks03:46
Razor-Xhopeng: get the package ``unrar''03:46
isaiRazor-X: thanks. I'll just follow the instructions again but substitute the JRE for SDK.03:46
Octanei just tried out enlightenment03:46
occyheh03:46
hopenglast night i get RAR..03:46
Razor-XOctane: nice, no?03:46
occyall I have to do is simply do:  rmmod psmouse03:46
occybah03:46
occyheh03:46
jmetlol03:46
hopengthx Razor-X03:46
OctaneRazor-X: nice but complicated03:46
OctaneRazor-X: nice eycandy :)03:46
occywild goose chase03:46
Razor-XOctane: doesen't seem complicated to me03:46
Razor-XI setup Eterm, and it works dandy03:46
OctaneRazor-X: you use it?03:46
Razor-XOctane: for a bit03:46
Razor-Xbut, Eterm stayed my default Terminal03:47
OctaneRazor-X: back to gnome?03:47
Octaneheh no shit03:47
Razor-XOctane: KDE, actually03:47
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Razor-XEterm kicks ass if you configure it right03:47
OctaneRazor-X: better than konsole?03:47
Razor-XOctane: Konsole pales!03:47
hopengall the GTK themes at gnome-look.org , can ubuntu hoary use it?03:47
necrogamii want to open port 80 on iptables how do i do this03:47
Razor-Xhopeng: yes03:47
OctaneRazor-X: what the hell could it do better? its just a cosnole :)03:47
Razor-XOctane: when you stare at a console all day long, better is better03:48
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jmetI cant even install nvidia-glx through Synaptics....03:48
Razor-Xthe only GUI apps I use are: TuxRacer, Cube, Opera, KDVI, and KPDF03:48
norhtedRazor-X: this is a great document about tex, thank you.... :))03:48
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Razor-Xnorhted: like I said, it's awesome03:48
mebaran151you know Ubuntu is the only single CD distribution for AMD6403:48
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Razor-Xthis document will take you back to the light03:48
mebaran151Razor-X: what article03:48
jmeterror exot status 203:49
Razor-Xand you'll never have to get tainted by the evil of ``WYSIWYG Word Processing'' ever again ;)03:49
norhtedRazor-X: yeah :)03:49
jmetexit03:49
Razor-Xmebaran151: lshort.pdf03:49
mebaran151the biggest problem I've ever had was clumsy cutting and pasting03:49
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Razor-Xnorhted: I also suggest, though, that you use the document in the sections you need _first_ then peruse the whole thing cover to cover when you have the time03:49
JemtCould someone please tell me which package 'network-admin' belongs to? I want to perform a minimal Ubuntu installation with Xfce, but want to install some of the nice tools from Gnome.03:50
Razor-XI read the general sections first, because I didn't need math formulae till later on03:50
Razor-Xthat's when I went through the math section03:50
Octaneanyone here know anything about packaging deb's? i have been trying to package a damn version upgrade of taglib for the past 5 hours -- no joke03:50
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Razor-XOctane: man dpkg, I guess03:50
mebaran151Razor-X: where do I get it, sounds interesting03:50
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mebaran151I used to think similarl, cli for everying03:50
OctaneRazor-X: you dont do it with dpkg03:51
Razor-XI have some compiled stuff (Eterm, links2), but I don't think i'll release it03:51
Razor-Xmebaran151: I love the CLI, it's so effecient for me03:51
norhtedRazor-X : duly noted...03:51
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Razor-Xand I do everything in my favorite editor ;)03:51
mebaran151Razor-X: I can type faster than I can click03:51
Razor-Xand my favorite terminal multitasking program03:51
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Razor-Xmebaran151: that used to be me, but my trackball kinda changed that03:51
mebaran151but then I installed a tiny little pkg that that supplied a cli applet03:52
Razor-Xgoogle for lshort.pdf03:52
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mebaran151and gui becaume a nice synthesis of both extremes03:52
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JemtCould someone please tell me which package 'network-admin' belongs to?03:52
Razor-Xnecrogami: I have that same connection ;)03:52
mebaran151some file tasks are much easier done with some draggin'03:52
Razor-Xmmmm, Fiber Optic ;)03:52
mebaran151Razor-X: fancy03:52
Razor-Xmebaran151: such as? ;)03:52
mebaran151Razor03:52
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mebaran151take three disparae files03:52
Razor-Xonly thing I like about GUI is ID3 tags03:53
mebaran151from random corners of your operating system03:53
necrogami14 down 6 up03:53
mebaran151and move them to one folder03:53
mebaran151three commands or three clicks03:53
Chaotic_ShieldCan someone help me with ndiswrapper? I'm getting there. I have the wireless card installed and it's listed as a network interface.03:53
mebaran151but the clicks go faster03:53
norhtedRazor-X : :))))03:53
Chaotic_ShieldBut it doesn't exactly work as a network interface.03:53
Razor-Xmebaran151: I use Krusader/Total Commander/Midnight Commander03:53
tremblay_Anyone know how a command that will create an "Okay, all done" prompt once a script has finished executing?03:53
mebaran151Razor-X: yeah03:53
Razor-Xso, I _don't_ point-and-click ;)03:53
Razor-XI use F5, meh03:53
mebaran151that is sort of GUI esque03:53
mebaran151so using XFCE is kind fo close03:54
LinuxJonesnecrogami, that's awesome03:54
mebaran151esp if you use the cli applet03:54
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Chaotic_Shieldmebaran151, you can move 3 files with one command.03:54
tremblay_Chaotic_Shield, what's the problem?03:54
necrogamithx03:54
Chaotic_Shieldcp <file1> <file2> <file3> <dest>03:54
mebaran151Chaotic_Shield: it would be pretty obfuscated03:54
Chaotic_Shieldheh.03:54
Razor-Xtremblay_: if [[ function ] ] ; then; print 'Done!'; fi;03:54
Chaotic_ShieldThat's not the point ;)03:54
LinuxJonesnecrogami, how much is it ?03:54
Razor-Xerrrr, sorry03:54
necrogamiim in the comcast test group heh ... im enjoying the connection03:54
Razor-Xthat's zsh syntax right there ;)03:54
Chaotic_Shieldtremblay_, read up.03:54
mebaran151necrogami: how do you join03:54
necrogamisame price as normal service03:54
postmodernhow do i enable images to be shown in emails in Evolution?03:54
Chaotic_ShieldThe card works, but doesn't.03:54
necrogamiyou dont join03:54
mebaran151I have comcast03:54
mebaran151I am getting 516 kbps03:54
necrogamiyou get contacted03:55
Chaotic_ShieldSomehow, the computer isn't going03:55
postmodernEvolution is not downloading the images inorder to protect my privacy03:55
Octaneamarok is so fucking amazing ahhhhhhhhhhh03:55
mebaran151is that about what you are getting03:55
LinuxJonesnecrogami, with what isp ?03:55
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necrogamiComcast03:55
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Octanepostmodern: thats very nice of Evolution wouldnt you say03:55
tremblay_Chaotic_Shield, how does it 'work' and how does it 'not work' ? :P03:55
Octane:)03:55
dekhola03:55
Razor-Xmmmm, cplay rocks for music03:55
necrogamiand you gotta be a certain distance from the node also i know that much03:55
postmodernOctane, well yeah, except when you want to turn it off03:55
Razor-Xmebaran151: try LaTeX03:55
mebaran151Razor-X: I might03:55
Razor-Xyou won't go back to normal WYSIWYG -- ever03:55
OctaneRazor-X: cplay kde app?03:55
Chaotic_Shieldtremblay_, it works by the fact that it is now listed as a network interface. It doesn't work in the fact that it doesn't actually do anything, except sit there and look cool.03:55
mebaran151Razor-X: I tried it03:55
Razor-XOctane: it's a CLI app03:56
mebaran151cplay is nie03:56
mebaran151but it isnt ground breking03:56
Razor-XI've heard of MPD03:56
tremblay_Chaotic_Shield, at least it looks cool.03:56
Chaotic_Shieldlol.03:56
Razor-Xwell, what does a music player need to do?03:56
necrogamiAnyone know how to open Port 80 on IPtables?03:56
Razor-Xmake playlists?03:56
Chaotic_ShieldIt's builtin. That's why it looks cool.03:56
Razor-Xand *gasp* play them?03:56
Razor-X;)03:56
Razor-Xand have some sort of seek function03:56
tremblay_Chaotic_Shield, have you configured it in the network interface?03:56
Chaotic_Shieldyes.03:56
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Chaotic_ShieldIt's been given an SSID and set to use DHCP03:57
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shammycan someone help me? I just installed ubuntu and cant get X configured. i run xorgcfg -textmode but it never writes the file. How can i get X working?03:57
Chaotic_Shieldand the little checkmark saying "Device is configured" has been checked.03:57
scythehello all03:57
Razor-XChaotic_Shield: have you tried to configure it manually?03:57
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Razor-Xshammy: prepend a sudo03:57
tremblay_Chaotic_Shield, try deactivating and reactivating it.03:57
poningrurofl03:57
poningruno 15mbit yet03:57
Chaotic_ShieldThis isn't my router, so I'm not going to fuck around with static IPs and such.03:57
tremblay_Works for me.03:57
poningruonly 5mbit03:57
shammyRazor-X: I did03:57
Razor-X15 mbit here, mmmm, fiber optic ;)03:57
necrogamiAnyone had any experience w/ configureing a Cisco Modem?03:58
Razor-XChaotic_Shield: DHCP is more fscking ;)03:58
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Razor-Xalthough, i've been hearing that DHCP has been acting up on certain boxes03:58
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DukGalNamuhey why would i have 111 processes running?03:58
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Razor-XDukGalNamu: because you do?03:58
tremblay_Chaotic_Shield, sudo ifdown wlan0 (or whatever) and sudo ifup wlan0..03:58
DukGalNamuRazor-X: never had that many before03:58
necrogamimy gigabit nic wont activate on ubuntu03:58
Chaotic_Shieldpft03:58
necrogamiits fully detected just it wont come on03:59
DukGalNamuRazor-X: typically only about 6003:59
Chaotic_Shieldmy freakin Gigabit works.03:59
Razor-XI have 77 processes03:59
Chaotic_ShieldBut my Truemobile n'est pas.03:59
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Razor-XDukGalNamu: read the process list, maybe?03:59
MadpilotDukGalNamu: I've got ~130 running... don't worry about it...03:59
_Icebreaker_need some help. The installation can't setup a bootloader(lilo/grub) but i don't know why. What could be a problem for this?03:59
Chaotic_Shieldlol.03:59
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DukGalNamuRazor-X: yeahi  wouldn't but it happened like overnight03:59
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mebaran151so freaking silent03:59
mebaran151so nice03:59
Razor-Xmebaran151: I've heard about Shuttle03:59
elmagozizouHi I have two copmputers in my network...One of them have windows on it(My father computer) and my comuter is runing ubuntu...Can any one tell me where to get documentation about how to get to a windows computer from linux?04:00
mebaran151elmagozizou: one word: samba04:00
Razor-Xholy!04:00
Chaotic_Shieldpft.04:00
Chaotic_ShieldGoogle > *04:00
Razor-Xthey're -- EXPENSIVO04:00
mebaran151jut look for all the samba packages04:00
DukGalNamuelmagozizou: apt-get install smb4k04:00
necrogamiGoogle Grid > *04:00
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DukGalNamuelmagozizou: then run smb4k in a bash shell04:00
necrogamiNICE!04:01
Razor-Xelmagozizou: you mean access the Windows files?04:01
necrogamiIPv604:01
Razor-Xnecrogami: mmmm?04:01
necrogamiCrispy who04:01
elmagozizouDukGalNamu, ok...04:01
necrogamiCrispy who's ya isp?04:01
DukGalNamuelmagozizou: or you could do it the command line way04:01
mebaran151Razor-X: I am distributing my computing over 3 shuttle xpc's04:01
elmagozizouRazor-X, yeahpp like that04:01
Chaotic_Shieldcan you mount remote drives?04:01
DukGalNamuelmagozizou: which i still haven't figured out04:01
mebaran151silent but amazing04:01
DukGalNamuelmagozizou: you windows PC needs to have shares04:01
necrogamicrispynix-v6 has joined this channel. (~c@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:30ef) IPV6 ip address ... ~.~ i want one04:02
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elmagozizouDukGalNamu, let me try samba..04:02
Madpilotmebaran151: 3? cool, but pricey...04:02
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mebaran151Madpilot: a little bit04:02
DukGalNamuelmagozizou: smb4k is sambe04:02
mebaran151onlyl one is shuttle04:02
Razor-Xmebaran151: expensivo, man, expensivo04:02
mebaran151the rest were barebones04:02
elmagozizouDukGalNamu, the files that I would acces are the ones that are in share? only?04:02
DukGalNamuelmagozizou: except it is a GUI version of the network04:02
mebaran151that I picked up on sale04:02
crispynix-v6necrogami: www.freenet6.net is what I use (tunnel broker)04:02
Razor-Xwhat kind of cluster are you using, mebaran151 ?04:02
mebaran151still trying to figure that out04:03
necrogamioh04:03
DukGalNamuelmagozizou: not in share, but that are designated as share folders04:03
mebaran151using drb now04:03
crispynix-v6my ISP is still IPv4 :/04:03
mebaran151and making it all those tasks ruby scripts04:03
Madpilotmebaran151: OK, that makes (financial) sense! one server, one desktop and one ???04:03
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jantan21hi alll04:03
scythewhat is the best bittorrent client for linux04:03
mebaran151Madpilot: I am not so wealthy04:03
mebaran151as to afford three of them!04:03
Amaranthscythe: gnome-btdownload or bittorrent 4.1.204:03
Razor-Xif my dad actually buys me a desktop this weekend04:04
DukGalNamuelmagozizou: just get smb4k and you should be able to get whatever you need, if you still neeed help then the guys over at #samba are really helpful04:04
Razor-Xbecause he's so fed up at me putting Linux on this computer04:04
mebaran151one of them is a Via C3 for 200 dollars04:04
Razor-Xtwo words04:04
mebaran151really nice04:04
Razor-XKICK ASS04:04
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mebaran151Razor-X: the power of Linux04:04
MadpilotRazor-X: prebuilt box or are you going to be able to roll your own?04:04
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Razor-Xmebaran151: I can see that04:04
necrogamimebaran151: Rupy > All Other Programming :-P04:04
xieAlways build your own :O04:04
mebaran151Razor-X: get the parts and build it yourself04:04
DukGalNamuMadpilot: rollyour own?04:04
scythewhat is the best bittorrent client for ubuntu?04:04
Razor-XMadpilot: I doubt my dad would let me roll it all on my own04:04
mebaran151it is easy04:04
mebaran151nah04:05
elmagozizouDukGalNamu, ok..tnks...can you tell me where can i get networking documentation for linux?04:05
mebaran151cheap and easy04:05
DukGalNamuMadpilot: you sound like a cigar specialist :p04:05
xieYou get so much more bang for the buck when you make your own04:05
mebaran151esp if you get one of teh Via kits04:05
Razor-Xwell, I was looking at the Shuttle for portability04:05
DukGalNamuelmagozizou: i wish i knew :P04:05
mebaran151that are so so quiet04:05
Madpilot"roll your own" = build yourself from components - nothing to do with cigars!04:05
Razor-Xthe specs are decent, but put this machine to shame04:05
mebaran151Razor-X: I have a shuttle04:05
mebaran151it is NICe04:05
DukGalNamuMadpilot: sure....04:05
mebaran151nothing nicer in the world04:05
mebaran151the build quality, the cooling04:05
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jantan21i want install ubuntu and warning is kernel, what is linux 386, linuk-image-386,etc help me ?04:05
mebaran151it is really astounding04:05
elmagozizouDukGalNamu, jajaa ok...04:05
DukGalNamuMadpilot: i actually got some wholesale suppliers, and i build for businesses04:05
Razor-Xfirst thing i'm gonna do is split my partitions in half04:06
Razor-Xbaby, w00t04:06
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DukGalNamu?04:06
isaiI have installed both the SDK and JRE for java as detailed in the Ubuntu wiki, yet still firefox does not the available plugins.04:06
Razor-Xmebaran151: I know I could never build something like Shuttle's PCs04:06
isaihelp?04:06
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DukGalNamualright i am out of here04:06
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mebaran151Razor-X: I did yesterday04:06
mebaran151relaly easy04:06
naliothisai: what platform are you using?04:06
mebaran151i bought a barebones kit with skt 93904:06
mebaran151around 249 dollars with a kickass ase04:06
isaix86, pentium M04:06
mebaran151sale on 160 gig Seagate for 8004:07
mebaran151an A64 for 250 and an ooptical for 8004:07
deprave?04:07
jantan21hello help me04:07
mebaran151very good deal04:07
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dooonzhey guys my bro has a wireless card in his desktop computer. It keeps disconnecting but my lappy will stay connected wirelessly for how ever long its on for. is there a setting i can set so that my bro doesnt get disconnected04:07
Razor-Xmebaran151: I don't have hardware skill ;)04:07
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Razor-Xmy hands are like sticky fudge04:08
xieYou can't really break anything04:08
jantan21hi alll help me04:08
MadpilotRazor-X: you really don't need hardware skills to put together a PC04:08
xieAnd all you need is a screwdriber04:08
xiedriver*04:08
Razor-XMadpilot: I've build one before04:08
Razor-Xbut, something like Shuttle....04:08
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tremblay_jantan21, linux-386 is for 32bit processors.04:08
Madpilotshuttle would be fiddlier, yeah04:08
mebaran151Razor-X: toolless man04:08
ccesariohey... how to configure BR ABNT2 keyboard in breezy.... the / and ? keys don't work :(04:09
mebaran151the shuttle kits are really well designed04:09
mebaran151all you need is a nice screwdriver04:09
Madpilotmy next box is going to be a shuttle, if I can afford it...04:09
jeruWhen trying to install nvidia-glx within Synaptics or apt-get I get the following error message "E: /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-glx_1.0.7174-0ubuntu1_i386.deb:  subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 2"04:09
Madpilotbut this box is only 4 months old now...04:09
Random_Sindromjantan21...386 is the architecture of the machine04:09
jantan21i want install ubuntu and warning is kernel, what me select, choose linux 386, linuk-image-386,etc help me ?04:09
jeruTried a different cd to pull archive of the file off of as well as downloading from net04:09
Madpilotbbl04:09
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Flying_Eaglehi04:10
jantan21random sindrom : what me select, choose linux 386, linuk-image-386,etc help me ?04:10
Flying_Eagledo you know where the pypanel-package has gone?04:10
mebaran151Madpilot: they arent THAT expesnive if you roll your own04:10
mebaran151just a little more than a standard rig04:10
jantan21my computer is p2-400 mem 12804:10
mebaran151jantan21: choose the first one04:10
mebaran151it contains all the rest04:10
mebaran151oh04:10
Random_Sindromjantan21... if you got a pc choose linux 38604:11
mebaran151i386 I believe04:11
xieYou can build a decent gaming computer for around $500 especially if you can salvage parts04:11
jeruAny ideas?04:11
jantan21thx's all04:11
linlinopinions on DVD authoring/burning software???04:11
linlinsuggestions rather04:11
jantan21i try first, thx's04:11
mebaran151linlin: uh gnomebaker is pretty good04:12
mebaran151graveman is decent04:12
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mebaran151oh dvd author makes video dvd's04:12
linlinany all in one shit out there like roxio?04:12
mebaran151linlin: roxio doesnt make movies does it?04:12
linlinyes with menus and such04:13
mebaran151ah04:13
mebaran151well Linux splits that off04:13
mebaran151I dont know the package off hand04:13
mebaran151but I know my myth TV setup can do it04:13
linlinyes as can mine04:13
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mebaran151yeah04:14
mebaran151nothing really all in one04:14
Octaneanyone here know anything about packaging deb's? i have been trying to package a damn version upgrade of taglib for the past 5 hours -- no joke04:14
mebaran151it is a bad idea to do it that way04:14
linlinok04:14
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linlini guess menus are not totally vital04:14
mebaran151Octane: checkinstall?04:14
linlinjust conversion tools and stuff04:15
mebaran151linlin: I think you can make menus04:15
Octanemebaran151: checkinstall?04:15
mebaran151Octane, if all you need is a local pkg04:15
mebaran151checkinstall will make it for you04:15
mebaran151I dont think you can ommit it though04:15
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Octanemebaran151: i am trying to package taglib 1.4 (1.3.1 is latest deb)04:15
Octanei tried using uupdate04:15
Octaneyou familiar with that method04:15
scythehow do i compile a .h file04:16
Albaraha$ runlevel04:16
Albarahaunknown04:16
AlbarahaIs this normal?04:16
mebaran151scythe: you dont04:17
LinuxJonesAlbaraha, try runlevel04:17
mebaran151h files just declare to the compiler how a function works04:17
Albarahascythe, .h is a header file. It's not compiled it's included in c or cpp files04:17
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mebaran151so that it doesnt have to penetrate an opaque binar04:17
mebaran151y04:17
LinuxJonesAlbaraha, should say N 204:17
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scytheahhh. back to the search then04:17
scythethanx04:17
Albarahaunknown04:17
LinuxJonesAlbaraha, did you do a normal install of Ubuntu ?04:18
scythewhy can i find the libdvdcss package... or where can i get a more extensive sources.list?04:18
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Madpilot!repos04:18
ubotu[repos]  at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto04:18
scythethax04:18
scythethanx too04:18
Madpilotscythe: see the URL ubotu just posted04:18
AlbarahaI'm not in Ubuntu atm, LinuxJones. It's Sorcerer Linux which has the problem04:19
linlinRazor-X whats so great04:19
Razor-Xmebaran151: http://www.sosdg.org/~razorx/totalpwnage.wav04:19
scytheyeah, checking it nows04:19
isaiafter installing java SDK and JRE, I have found this compiled in my system: libjavaplugin_oji.so. Can I just dump this in .mozilla in a plugin directory?04:19
Burgundaviascythe, wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats also has more info04:19
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hopeng!tell hopeng about cvs04:19
isaiCan someone who has the java plugin run a 'locate' on their system for libjavaplugin_oji.so and tell where it is?04:20
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LinuxJonesAlbaraha, well that's not really a question for this channel :D04:20
Albarahabut, this is a general linux question04:21
QMarioIs the CHAINTECH SLV3-128 Volari V3 128MB DDR  AGP 4X/8X Video Card supported in Ubuntu?04:21
dougskQMario, isn't that an nvidia chipset?04:22
Amaranthnever heard of it04:22
Amaranthwe need to know who makes the chipset04:22
Amarantherr, the GPU04:22
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dougskAmaranth, yeah your right gpu prolly better word04:23
LinuxJonesAlbaraha, yes, it is not normal for that command to fail, maybe they renamed the script file or something.04:23
QMarioDougsk, no Chipset: Volari V304:23
dougskQMario, ah was reading yes your right not nvidia at all. hhmm04:23
QMarioDougsk, no. Chipset: Volari V304:23
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xieThats it, I am officially done with ubuntu linux04:24
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Madpilotisai: /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/plugin/i386/ns7-gcc29/libjavaplugin_oji.so04:24
Flying_Eagleanyone using pypanel here?04:24
AmaranthQMario: If they have linux drivers it supported but you have to get the drivers from them.04:25
JDahlxie, what's wrong?04:25
xieI just spent the past few DAYS getting it installed properly and it still doesn't display anything04:25
xieBooting Ubuntu... and then blank screen04:25
QMarioAmaranth, they have Red Hat and SUSE drivers. Will those work?04:25
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JemtCould someone please help me make my scroll work? I don't use a mouse but a Trackpoint (IBM X31 laptop)04:26
JemtI really can't do without scroll :)04:26
dougskQMario, hmm, I can't tell tbh.  You might try configuring using the vesa driver if vesa2.0 is supported on the gfx card.  That will get you going, no hardware acceleration though04:27
LinuxJonesouch !!!04:30
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dougskwb04:31
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QMarioAmaranth, I also received help from #KUBUNTU. http://pastebin.com/32583904:32
AmaranthQMario: Have you actually tried this driver?04:32
QMarioYes.04:32
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QMarioX Window would not load.04:32
scythegott a question on my hdparm.conf04:32
JemtHi again. Could someone please help me setup scroll for my IBM X31 laptop (Trackpoint)04:33
QMarioI even edited /etc/X11/xorg.conf04:33
liableOption          "EmulateWheelButton"    "2"04:33
liableOption"Emulate3Buttons""true"04:33
scythewould /dev/hdc { (line break) dma = on (line break)} work?04:33
JemtQMario : Have you tried 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' ? The tool will guide you through the setup process04:33
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QMarioNot yet.04:34
AmaranthJemt: no, he is installing a custom driver04:34
AmaranthQMario: "Doesn't load" doesn't tell me much.04:34
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QMarioX Windows doesn't display a graphical user interface. The monitor is blank and black. The keyboard turns off.04:35
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QMarioAlthough the computer is still on.04:35
Amarantherr04:35
Amaranth*shrug*04:35
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JemtAmaranth: Oh, ok. Sorry :)04:35
Amaranthsorry04:35
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QMarioWhat distribution of Linux will work with this video card?04:37
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_Icebreaker_how can i use 2monitors on ubuntu?04:38
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QMarioDo you have two video cards?04:38
_Icebreaker_onevideo card that ist dual headed04:39
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dougskQMario, you might try Jemt's suggestion and use the 'vesa' driver to get going. As best as I can quickly tell (http://x.org/X11R6.8.2/doc/manindex4.html) x doesn't support that particular card.04:39
QMarioSorry, I don't know.04:40
QMario:(04:40
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JemtQMario: What kind of Video Card are you installing ?04:40
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JemtOr trying to install04:40
dougskQMario, that's not a final answer though, there might be support for it and you may get going, I'm certainly not an authority04:40
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JemtDoes anyone know how to turn off a wireless network card? It consumes power and i'm running on batteries :)04:41
scythecan you turn one off, or just unload the module?04:42
_Icebreaker_is the base install of ubuntu able to mount ntfs part readonly?04:42
QMarioJemt, 'CHAINTECH SLV3-128 Volari V3 128MB DDR  AGP 4X/8X Video Card'.04:42
dougskJemt, most laptops have a physical switch near the touchpad to turn them off.  Some have bios options or magic key combos04:42
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Jemtdougsk: Heh, yeah - thanks. Normally I can use fn+F5 - but it only works in WinSux :)04:43
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QMarioDougsk, thank you. Unfortunately, I am already using vesa. Yuck! Hey, but I am grateful that it works. :)04:43
desrt_Icebreaker_; yes.04:43
knowledge_guys...what can be done about "qmake not found in current PATH. Maybe QT development environment isn't available (qt3-devel)."??04:43
_Icebreaker_desrt: can you just descripe how to do that?04:44
desrt_Icebreaker_; do you know what device the partition is on?04:44
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desrtlike /dev/hda1 or whatever?04:44
dougskQMario, ah vesa isn't to bad with some cards.04:44
_Icebreaker_must be hda1 and hda204:44
desrttwo ntfs partitions?04:44
_Icebreaker_there are mor but one example should be enough04:44
dougskJemt, hmm some laptops thinkpad's in particular have additional programs that can be installed to offer additional support04:44
desrtok.  what do you want to call it... like "nt" or "windows" or "c"?04:45
JemtQMario: Oh, ok. Don't know that card - sorry. But most cards work with the Vesa driver04:45
desrtand do you want to mount it just this once or always on bootup?04:45
Jemtdougsk: Really? Sounds great. I'll check apt-get04:45
_Icebreaker_should be mounted every time04:45
_Icebreaker_when i boot up04:45
desrt_Icebreaker_; k.  pick a name04:45
_Icebreaker_windows :P04:46
desrtok.  sudo mkdir /mnt/windows04:46
desrtthen sudo vi /etc/fstab04:46
desrtat the bottom, add a line like this:04:46
desrt/dev/hda1      /mnt/windows     ntfs     ro,uid=yourusername    0 004:46
mrtCan anybody log on ICQ with gaim ?04:46
_Icebreaker_im using nano. its familar to me04:47
desrt_Icebreaker_; that's cool :)04:47
desrtdone?04:47
_Icebreaker_yes i gues i have to edit uid=04:48
desrtyes.  put your username there :)04:48
desrtby default only one user can access the files on ntfs04:48
knowledge_Anyone?04:48
_Icebreaker_would that work with gid too?04:48
desrtno04:48
desrtit's accessible only to the user04:48
desrtif you want, you can use "umask" to open up the permissions some04:49
desrtlike  umask=222 to make it readable to everyone04:49
desrt(instead of uid=)04:49
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desrtbut then anyone can read any file on the entire filesystem04:49
desrteven if it's protected under windows04:49
_Icebreaker_oh. thanks vor your help04:50
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desrtnow you should be able to type: sudo mount /mnt/windows04:50
desrtto check if it worked04:50
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_Icebreaker_ok it works thank you04:51
desrtnp.  cheers.04:51
QMarioDo any of you guys know if the 'CHAINTECH SLV3-128 Volari V3 128MB DDR  AGP 4X/8X Video Card' will work with any Linux distributions?04:51
bob2the chipset is more important to know than whateve rcompany stuck their name on it04:52
AmaranthVolari V304:52
Amaranthit's an XGI thing04:52
bob2XGI?04:52
Amaranththat's a company...04:52
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xkusemecan anyone tell me how to install windows after i already have ubuntu?04:53
Nameeateris it possible to switch user like in win xp where it keeps the other users apps etc going?04:53
Amaranthit looks like a kickass card, honestly04:53
Amaranthcheap, fast, and full-featured04:53
bob2Nameeater: of course04:53
DonLAmaranth, have you bought it yet?04:53
bob2Amaranth: and with no useful drivers04:53
bob2Nameeater: applications -> system -> new login04:54
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Amaranthbob2: suse and rhel :(04:54
desrtQMario; i'd have to guess no.04:54
Amaranthbob2: probably built for one specific kernel version04:54
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ryan_anyone know of a good download manager?04:54
desrtQMario; unless it has either an nvidia, ati or matrox chipset on it04:54
Nameeaterawsome!! thanks bob2 :)04:54
desrtryan_; wget :)04:54
toad3030what is the gears command?04:55
desrtor if you need advanced management capabilities, wget + screen04:55
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desrttoad3030; glxgears04:55
bob2toad3030: glxgears?04:55
xkusemebob2: canyou help me too04:55
toad3030ty04:55
_Icebreaker_desrt: how can i look for the exact device names of my partitions? fdisk /dev/hdb????04:55
ryan_desrt, does it have a gui?04:55
bob2bear in mind it is not a useful benchmark, though04:55
desrt_Icebreaker_; fdisk -l04:55
bob2xkuseme: google04:55
desrt_Icebreaker_; sudo fdisk -l, even04:55
DonLAmaranth, I've learned to research hardware so I buy what works with my system04:56
JemtHm, why is it that difficult to turn off a wireless network card. That's quite irritating04:56
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ryan_anyone know of a good download manager _WITH A GUI_04:56
ryan_:)04:56
toad3030is there anybody that can help me w/ installing cedega?04:56
bob2ryan_: apt-cache search download manager04:56
dougskryan_, d4x is used by some04:56
Jemtryan_: Havn't tried it yet - but maby gdm04:56
bob2Jemt: it's not, but it is hardware specific04:57
Jemtryan_, Wait a sec04:57
bob2toad3030: #cedega04:57
toad3030ok thx04:57
Jemtryan_, Think I gave you the name of a display manager :)04:57
jasmuztoad3030: what is your issue?04:57
ryan_Jemt, you got it handy/04:57
ryan_?**04:57
bob2xkuseme: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows?highlight=%28windows%2904:57
toad3030i'm following the instruction on how to install, but nothing is working04:58
xkusemebob2: thanks04:58
bob2toad3030: you paid transgaming money, presumably they give you support?04:58
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Jemtryan_, d4x perhaps :)04:59
ryan_ok thanks05:00
adwaithey ppl....not exactly an ubuntu question, but do you have any idea if I can connect my laptop AND my computer to a DLink DSL-502T?05:00
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Jemtryan_,05:00
Jemtryan_: 'apt-get install d4x'05:00
bob2adwait: er, surely your manual answers that?05:00
adwaitbob2: cant find the manual :p05:00
ryan_got it jemt thanks mate ;)05:00
xkusemebob2: can i just unplug my ubuntu hd, make the other hd master, install windows and then switch it back to slave and boot into ubuntu and add the new hd to grub? will that work?05:00
Jemtryan_: np :)05:00
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bob2will windows boot from a slave drive at all?05:00
adwaitbob2: it has an ethernet port and a usb port,........so i was thinking, if i connect one to computer and the other to the laptop...it shoudld work right?05:01
knowledge_guys...what can be done about "qmake not found in current PATH. Maybe QT development environment isn't available (qt3-devel)."??05:01
bob2I haven't really used windows since win9805:01
toad3030bob2: btw nobody in that channel is helping either, that is why i came here05:01
bob2adwait: why don't you just try it?05:01
xkusemebob2: i don't know05:01
dougskadwait, most modem/routers won't work if both usb and ethernet is in use (usb turns ethernet off)05:01
bob2knowledge_: a) google, b) install libqt3-mt-dev, c) /usr/share/doc/libqt3-mt-dev/README.Debian05:01
nomasteryodaadwait, er, I don't think it will05:01
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nomasteryodayou need to get a hub05:01
nomasteryodaor switch05:01
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xkusemebob2: i could even leave the windows hd as second master05:02
nomasteryodaat least here in the states, they can be had for sub $2005:02
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QMarioIs either Redhat or SUSE free?05:02
bob2ok, but I have no idea if windows has had that bug fixed or not05:02
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digitalfoxQMario, Fedora Core is05:02
knowledge_bob2, Thanks05:02
nomasteryodaQMario, not like Ubuntu though05:02
digitalfoxQMario, which is based on RedHat05:02
bob2QMario: their beta versions are05:02
QMarioSorry guys. I desperately want to use Linux with this video card.05:03
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JemtDoes anyone know how to disable a wireless network card on a IBM Thinkpad ?05:03
flask-hi, I went and added the backports repository line to my sources.list and ran an update, and now certain packages aren't found anywhere in my available list, specifically there are no packages for Adobe Acrobat05:03
nomasteryodaQMario, what card?05:03
QMarioI don't want to go back to Windows. :(05:03
bob2you can't return it for a better supported card?05:03
DonLJust tonight I put Kubuntu into my Ubuntu box. That's the extent I'll go to dual booting. I used to dual boot. Still had to have anti virus, anti ad, anti everything05:03
dougskxkuseme, bob2 asked a valid question will windows even boot on the slave drive?  That is hardware dependent.  if you do move drives around ubuntu will at least nead fstab changed indicating the new partition locations05:03
bob2flask-: acrobat probably isn't legally redistributable by anyone05:03
nomasteryodaJemt, sure there should be button combo with Fn lock key05:03
flask-bob2: ok05:03
QMarioNomasteryoda, Chaintec Volari V305:03
Jemtnomasteryoda: Dosn't work in Linux05:04
nomasteryodaso that has nvidia chip?05:04
nomasteryodaawe05:04
AmaranthQMario: XGI Volari V305:04
QMarioWill my video card work with Fedora Core?05:04
AmaranthQMario: chaintech is just the person who puts the parts on the board and ships it05:04
dougskQMario, no I don't think so, other than with vesa05:04
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QMarioAmaranth, true.05:04
puffevening.05:04
bob2QMario: #fedora05:04
xkusemedougsk: i mean i am gonna trick the windows, just for the installation i'll make it master ubuntu won't even notice, coz the next time i boot into it it will be switched back to slave05:04
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QMarioOkay, hold on.05:04
nomasteryodaQMario, also on #suse05:04
dougskxkuseme, that is doable supposing the motherboard/bios supports booting to another drive besides the first primary05:05
puffI tried to use synaptic to install something, it asked for the ubuntu install disk.05:05
bob2puff: so put it in, or configure synaptic to only use the internet05:05
QMarioThank you guys. :) I will ask the people at those channels.05:05
xkusemedougsk: that is what i am wondering about05:05
puffbob2:  Yeah, I put the Cd in, I'm wondering what files I need to copy from the CD, and where I need to put them, to avoid needing it in the future.05:06
Jemtdougsk: If you are trying to recover your boot loader, it should be quite easy. Chroot into your Linux installation, run 'grub' and install it in the MBR that way05:06
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bob2puff: you'd need to copy the whole cd somewhere05:06
scythehello, im back05:06
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DonLpuff, make sure the cd is in, and repeat the same request05:07
_Icebreaker_i want to play mp3 but i cant find the package gstreamer8.0-mad05:07
Jemtdougsk: If you want to know more about chrooting you could read the chapter about this subject in the Gentoo Handbook at gentoo.org05:07
bob2because it's not called that05:07
bob2it's gstreamer0.8-made05:07
bob2er, mad05:07
bob2wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats, and linked from the FAQ05:08
puffHm, i installed mplayer (via apt-get) but it says it has no plugin to handle mp3s.05:08
ryan_How come with the default theme, and with most others, text on websites is often the same as the forgrund colour? is ther ea way to fix this?05:08
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dougskJemt, ah yeah, grub-install I think, but that still doesn't work without changing fstab entries to reflect the new partition locations (s|h)d{a,b,c...)05:08
dougskJemt, but it's not really relevent to me at this point, I'm not swapping drives about05:09
Jemtdougsk, Okay05:09
puffodd question, why does the ubuntu site always redirect to ssl?05:10
ryan_bob2, How come with the default theme, and with most others, text on websites is often the same as the forgrund colour? is ther ea way to fix this?05:10
bob2you need to be way more specific05:10
bob2ie which browser? which website?05:11
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dougskpuff, they like our protecting our privacy more than we do?  no teasing, I dunno thawte was pretty big into crypto at one time or another05:11
ryan_bob2, its in firefox, and it actually occurs on apps as well05:11
JemtHm, just found out that I got no sound in any of my games. Could someone help me debug my system =05:11
puffThawte is behind ubuntu?05:11
Jemt?05:11
bob2"apps"?05:11
bob2puff: no05:11
puffbob2: the url you just pasted, in firefox.05:11
bob2puff: except in the sense that the founder of Canonical got rich by starting thawte...05:11
puffah-ha.05:11
AmaranthSuper rich.05:11
bob2Jemt: pkill esd05:11
bob2ryan_: doesn't oocur here05:12
AmaranthLike $20,000,000 to go into space doesn't put a dent in his funds rich. ;)05:12
ryan_bob2 it was like that when i first booted05:12
Jemtbob2, roger05:12
AmaranthLike makes more money from investments than the entire Linux service industry rich. (debconf joke)05:12
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DonLAmaranth, I didn't know that, but it's good he's putting it back05:12
Amaranthaye05:12
Jemtbob2: done. started esd again. Got sounds from Gnome but not from my games05:12
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dougskAmaranth, just watched that today, even!  laughed pretty good05:13
bob2Jemt: er, no, don't restart it05:13
JemtOh , ok05:13
dougskI haven't watched the rcs speech yet, but it's on the todo05:13
Jemtbob2: Great, worked05:13
Jemtbob2: So I haft to kill 'esd' every time I reboot =05:14
Jemt?05:14
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bob2no05:14
JemtOh, great !05:14
bob2you have to decide what you want to do05:14
bob2simplest is to kill it before running legacy apps like games05:14
Jemtbob2: What choices do I have ?05:14
bob2hardest is to get everything to use alsa and dmix05:14
JemtOh05:15
JemtUsed alsa back in Mandrake and Gentoo05:15
JemtOh well. I can live with killing it once in a while :)05:15
bob2and you're using alsa on ubuntu, too, of course05:15
JemtOk. Could be using OSS (i think it's the name of the new sound server)05:15
bob2no05:16
JemtOh05:16
bob2OSS is the name of the old set of sound drivers05:16
dougskso what does the magic eight-ball say for unified sound system (gstreamer?) anyways?05:16
bob2ALSA has replace it almost entirely05:16
JemtOh, IC. Thanks - good to know :)05:16
bob2everything in gnome seems to be moving towards gstreamer05:17
bob2I predict someone creating an entirely incompatible "kstreamer" soon05:17
JemtHehe :)05:17
Jemtesd - what is that exactly ?05:17
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dougskbob2, so where does that leave threaded sounds and esd?05:17
bob2it's a "sound daemon"05:17
HrdwrBoBbob2: KDE is allegedly supporting gstreamer05:17
HrdwrBoBJemt: it's the bane of our existance05:17
bob2instead of apps talking to the sound card, esd owns it, and apps talk to it05:17
dougskdoes gstreamer handle gaim and evolution going beep at the same time05:18
bob2dougsk: hopefully going away05:18
dougskbob2, ah cool05:18
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knowledge_libqt3-mt-dev: Depends: libqt3c102-mt (=3:3.3.3-7ubuntu3) but 3:3.3.4-3 is to be installed05:18
Jemtbob2, Oh, what I would refer to as an interface - i guess :)05:18
bob2dougsk: it would, since you'd configure gstreamer to use alsa and dmix05:18
knowledge_Depends: libxft-dev but it is not going to be installed05:18
knowledge_I can't figure this out05:18
bob2knowledge_: your sources.list is broken05:18
bob2knowledge_: paste it to /etc/apt/sources.list05:18
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knowledge_bob2, Paste what?05:18
HrdwrBoBdougsk: technically gstreamer is a 'glue'05:18
HrdwrBoBdougsk: it doesn't do anything per se05:18
HrdwrBoBit just facilitates communication between components05:18
bob2knowledge_: er, your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood05:19
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Jemtbob2: Still can't figure out how killing 'esd' solved my problem. Does the games communicate directly with the sound card ?05:19
DonLWow. That's interesting. I didn't know how that worked05:19
HrdwrBoBJemt: yes05:19
dougskHrdwrBoB, ah well I thought er maybe not, I was assuming it well hmm, I think I need to read05:19
bob2Jemt: yes05:19
HrdwrBoBJemt: esd had exclusive use of your soundcard05:19
bob2Jemt: and most cards don't let two programs do that, so if esd had it first...05:19
HrdwrBoBdougsk: think of gstreamer like the codec infrastructure in windows05:20
JemtAh, okay. Makes perfect sense. Thanks alot, guys :)05:20
bob2emu10k1-based cards are the only ones that don't do that under linux, afaik05:20
dougskHrdwrBoB, thanks05:20
JayParadiseis there anything wrong with having a short lease time like 10 minutes05:20
bob2I gather windows has some sort of mixer in the kernel?05:20
knowledge_pasted05:20
knowledge_bob2,05:20
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bob2knowledge_: er05:20
DonLbob2, I put in a SB live card when I was having problems, and everything was fixed05:21
bob2knowledge_: that seems kinda obvious05:21
jasmuzguys im having problems making my pgp keys, i get an eof..gpg: no writable public keyring found: eof05:21
jasmuzKey generation failed: eof05:21
bob2knowledge_: now paste "apt-cache policy libqt3-mt-dev" to #flood05:21
HrdwrBoBdougsk: that's because the SB live driver you can have multiple connections to05:21
HrdwrBoBdougsk: which is why it's the best for use in linux05:21
HrdwrBoBJayParadise: why?05:21
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Jemtbob2: Should I start 'esd' again if I want sound in Gnome again? I must have messed things up. I got no sound in Gnome now. A reboot might fix it though05:22
knowledge_bob2, pasted05:22
HrdwrBoBJemt: that's right05:22
DonLI haven't thought about it for a long time because it's never given me grief05:22
bob2Jemt: yes05:22
HrdwrBoBstart esd again you get sound05:22
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bob2Jemt: no, no need to reboot05:22
Jemtk, thanks05:22
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JemtOh ?05:22
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bob2knowledge_: and what else used to be in your sources.list?05:23
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wehey guys i need help untaring a file05:23
hybrid_gothhey bob205:23
wetar: You must specify one of the `-Acdtrux' options05:23
wethat my output05:23
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JemtBRB05:23
bob2we: you ran tar incorrectly05:23
PrimoTurboHey guys I have a problem, can someone please help me out?05:23
bob2we: tar -xf foo.tar05:23
bob2PrimoTurbo: you haven't asked a question yet...05:24
bob2hybrid_goth: hi05:24
PrimoTurboI installed gperfection2 icon theme05:24
bob2knowledge_: you've screwd up apt by pointing it at incompatible apt sources05:24
wewhats the diff between -xf and -xvf05:24
PrimoTurbobut there is an icon that didn't work for some reason, I know it is supposed to05:24
knowledge_hmmmm05:24
PrimoTurbohttp://img325.imageshack.us/img325/2647/screenshot3ex.jpg05:24
PrimoTurbotake a look05:24
PrimoTurboI circled the icon that's not working05:24
bob2we: man tar, verbosity05:24
PrimoTurbohttp://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=2&id=22989&file1=22989-1.png&file2=22989-2.png&file3=&name=gperfection2+Icon+Theme05:25
PrimoTurbothat's the icon theme05:25
PrimoTurbohow can I fix that?05:25
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bob2PrimoTurbo: try asking on the mailing list if no one here knows05:25
PrimoTurbowhich mailing list?05:25
bob2http://lists.ubuntu.com/, ubuntu-users05:26
ilba7ron booting my pc it enables both eth0 and wlan0 which freezes my network connection. how can i only change it to only load wlan0 on booting the pc05:26
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dougskPrimoTurbo, I looked at the pic, it seems to do the same here for me.  what's broken?05:27
bob2ilba7r: edit /etc/network/interfaces, remove the "auto eth0" line05:27
tha_gamemasteri'm gettin libgcc1 error when trying to install transcode...05:27
ilba7rthanx bob205:27
bob2tha_gamemaster: the packages are broken05:27
PrimoTurbothe icon is not the one used by the theme05:27
PrimoTurboit's supposed to change it05:27
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PrimoTurbocan I manually change it some how?05:28
_Icebreaker_does anybody know how to configure ubuntu to run with 2 monitor connected to a dualheaded nvidia video card05:28
knowledge_bob2, possible because I installed the Kubuntu packages as well?05:28
Chris_Tuckeronce you have apt-got vnc4server, whats the work to get it set up?05:28
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bob2knowledge_: getting rid of the non-ubuntu sources and running "sudo apt-get update" might help05:28
dougskPrimoTurbo, ah I see, hmm ,nah I dunno05:28
wethanx05:28
PrimoTurbocrap :(05:28
bob2knowledge_: then "sudo aptitude install libqt3c102-mt=3:3.3.3-7ubuntu3"05:28
bob2knowledge_: know, it'd be because of "backports" or the agnula stuff05:28
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bob2_Icebreaker_: google didn't know anything?05:29
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ryan_im trying to install the addon for firefox FlashGot, but the firefox website is saying something about the firefox version not being verified after an update05:29
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dougskilba7r, ah great question -- I experienced that too -- I pulled the offending wireless card, bob2 thanks for the solution.  what's happening that causes that?05:29
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ryan_is there anyway around it?05:29
bob2someone has to define what "freezes my network connection" means05:30
tha_gamemaster1yea so sorry irc timed out, so transcode problem...05:30
bob2tha_gamemaster: the packages are broken, they won't work05:30
ryan_bob2, im trying to install the addon for firefox FlashGot, but the firefox website is saying something about the firefox version not being verified after an update05:30
bob2dude05:30
bob2you already asked the channel05:30
bob2asking me just annoys me, I already saw it05:31
tha_gamemaster1bob2, oh ok thanks, i'll just install transcode by hand then, it's been broken since warty i think05:31
Chris_Tuckeronce you have apt-got vnc4server, whats the work to get it set up?05:31
ryan_people dont speek to you though unless you speek to someone specific bob205:31
bob2ryan_: no, that's not how it works, sorry05:31
bob2you ask a question to the channel05:31
dougskbob2, ah well it didn't actually freeze my connection -- rather it would just die, so I would just ifconfig eth0 blah blah route add blah blah and it worked again05:31
bob2perhaps fro mthere you have a conversation with someone in particular05:31
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PrimoTurbowhere are the default icons located?05:32
bob2dougsk: I guess they setup conflicting routes05:32
nomasteryodathought someone might like to see this posting... http://lists.olin.edu/pipermail/ocp/2005-January/000196.html - was looking for help getting mythtv going05:32
PrimoTurbodoes anyone know?05:32
bob2dougsk: I'd need to see the /etc/network/interfaces to give a definitive answer05:32
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sahara534que programa puedo usar para tostar cds que no sea k3b05:32
cafuego!es05:32
ubotuHispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.05:32
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nomasteryodacafuego, wow05:33
dougskbob2, no worries I'll wait for networkmanager and see if it shows up again05:33
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nomasteryodaubotu is sweet bot05:33
ubotunomasteryoda: I don't know05:33
nomasteryodahehe05:33
bob2hah, NM seems kinda rooted, tho05:34
cafuego!stupid bot05:34
ubotustupid cafuego05:34
nomasteryodahehe05:34
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sahara534ok05:34
knowledge_bob2, I've reverted back to the original file that came with ubuntu and I"m still getting errors trying to install any sort of qt3-dev or libqt3-dev05:34
file420 users woo05:35
bob2knowledge_: I can't see your screen05:35
bob2knowledge_: #flood05:35
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filehas anyone ever gotten MSReader to run through crossover office05:35
DonLtime to go. see ya later05:35
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desrt421, actually :)05:35
knowledge_bob2, pasted05:35
tha_gamemaster1i love compiling from source... at least until something breaks...05:35
desrtoh.  crap.05:35
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bob2knowledge_: and your /etc/apt/sources.list05:36
Jemtback05:36
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puffFirefox seems really slow, and this is a much faste rmachine than my old machine... but I've never used firefox-on-linux before, is this firefox or ubuntu?05:37
knowledge_bob2, sent05:37
arumaybe your stopwatch is slow?05:37
puffActually, I guess firefox isn'treally where the slowness is, more in switching between firefox and terminal.05:37
bob2knowledge_: and "apt-cache policy libqt3-dev"?05:37
tha_gamemaster1puff the more "pretty" the desktop is, the less performace you get out of your X environment05:37
Jemtpuff: Firefox /is/ slow on Ubuntu. Think it is quite slow on Windows too though. Startup time and computer specification ?05:37
bob2not that you should be installing that at all05:37
HrdwrBoBpuff: run free -m and past it to pastebin for me05:37
dj28puff: noticed the same thing on my laptop. firefox on ubuntu was noticably slower than it was on fedora and XP05:37
puffSeems to sort of hesitate...05:37
tha_gamemaster1puff try a less demanding window manager05:37
HrdwrBoBpuff: if you're out of ram it'll be slow05:38
bob2does firefox on fedora use Pango?05:38
thr1ceman, firefox runs quick here05:38
knowledge_bob2, sent05:38
dj28not sure05:38
thr1cei must be lucky05:38
filehmm found another program that can read .lit files, going to try to use it through crossover office05:38
bob2knowledge_: sudo dpkg -P --force-depends libqt3-dev ; sudo aptitude install libqt3-mt-dev05:38
puffhttp://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/83205:38
dj28i never figured out why it was slower.. but it certainly is05:38
tha_gamemaster1"depends on libz" anyone know what libz is ?05:38
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puffI'm pretty sure I'm on metacity, the default.05:39
thr1cetha_gamemaster, google will05:39
cafuegodj28: it's fater under Linux on my hardware.05:39
bob2tha_gamemaster1: zlib05:39
tha_gamemaster1bob2, thanks!05:39
bob2tha_gamemaster1: aka gzip librarie05:39
knowledge_bob2, didn't work...05:39
bob2tha_gamemaster1: zlib0g if you're looking for the runtime library package05:39
bob2knowledge_: ok05:39
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dj28cafuego: odd. i dual booted fedora and ubuntu for a while before installing XP over fedora, and firefox is noticably slower on ubuntu for some reason. i'm able to replicate this on other machines too05:39
Jemtpuff: Btw - Firefox always takes very long time to start after a reboot. But after one start, the following windows should start within a few seconds. Takes about 2-3 seconds on my computer (1.6 Ghz Pentium M, 512 MB DDR Ram)05:39
bob2knowledge_: it might be easier for you to reinstall then05:39
puffHm,that reminds me, i have an extra 1GB dimm in it, unless i'm misreading /proc/.meminfo it's only seeing 1GB.05:40
bob2or maybe somsone else can walk you through unbreaking apt05:40
puffhttp://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/83305:40
knowledge_bob2, ubuntu05:40
knowledge_?05:40
bob2puff: "uname -r" prints?05:40
majicwhy is firestarter blocking only google.com but nothing else? I've been trying to figure it out for 2 hours.05:40
bob2knowledge_: yes05:40
cafuegopuff: 896MB ?05:40
knowledge_bob2, nahh...don't feel like losing all my settings....it's not that important05:40
dbernar1hey.05:40
tha_gamemaster1that amount of ram is because he's not using the SMP kernel05:40
tha_gamemaster1he has too much ram for stock kernel05:40
bob2knowledge_: you put it on hold?05:40
bob2tha_gamemaster1: no, it's not to do with SMP-ness05:40
Chris_Tuckerhow do i set up a vnc server to show me whats happening on the same display that my vid card is outputting?05:41
puffuname -r -> 2.6.10-5-38605:41
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cafuegopuff: install a -k7 or -686 kernel; tjhey will have HIGHMEM enabled.05:41
bob2puff: what cpu do you have?05:41
tha_gamemaster1bob2, all i know is if i don't use the smp kernel it only sees 800+ MB ram, not the full 102405:41
cafuegotha_gamemaster1: That's got nothing to do with SMP.05:41
bob2tha_gamemaster1: linux-686 will see it, too, even without SMP05:41
tha_gamemaster1i know, smp is dual processors ,but HIMEM is built into that kernel, i don't use 686, i use the k7 kernel05:42
puffhttp://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/83405:42
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cafuegotha_gamemaster1: The normal -k7 kernel *laso* has HIGHMEM enabled.05:42
puffIntel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 2.13GHz05:42
bob2puff: sudo aptitude install linux-68605:42
majicwe got any firestarter guru's in here? My firewall settings are perfect with the exception that google for some reason is being blocked.05:42
bob2puff: reboot, enjoy!05:42
tha_gamemaster1cafuego, oh it didn't used to when i first installed warty, but thanks, i'm glad they fixed it now05:42
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mebaran151is chatzilla an XUL app?05:44
bob2yes05:44
tha_gamemasterbob2, i'm still getting the libz error.. "configure: error: transcode depends on libz, but cannot links against libz"05:44
dougskmebaran151, yes or javascript more or less  -- pretty effing amazing tbh05:45
bob2tha_gamemaster: because you don't have the correct headers05:45
bob2zlib0g-dev05:45
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mebaran151dougsk: it does show05:45
cafuegotha_gamemaster1: if you only have a single CPU, the smp kernel is SLOWER.05:45
mebaran151in its lack of sophistication and simple design05:45
tha_gamemasterbob2, ah thanks! oh its zlib1g-dev now...05:45
mebaran151but it is also ghetto fabulous05:45
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cafuegotha_gamemaster: Also, trancode comes precompiled.05:45
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mebaran151bob2: X isnt broken in Hoary05:45
Computer__GuruHai, fsckers!05:45
mebaran151my X started up ok05:45
bob2mebaran151: indeed05:46
tha_gamemastercafuego, oh thanks, i'll fix that.... cafuego transcode is broken in ubuntu05:46
bob2in breezy it is for a lot of people05:46
bob2tha_gamemaster: no, transcode isn't in ubuntu05:46
mebaran151bob2: I found that sometimes apt doesnt fix everything05:46
bob2mebaran151: yes, apt will rarely fix anything05:46
mebaran151once I had to reinstall Ubuntu to make evolution work05:46
bob2mebaran151: I really really doubt that05:46
cafuegobob2: Yes, and if you tell them it's broken they all insist fixing it is fun and want to "upgrade" immediately.05:46
bob2haha05:47
bob2indeed05:47
mebaran151bob2: it takes me 20 minutes to do a clean install05:47
bob2mebaran151: breaking evolution as a user is pretty much impossible05:47
dougsklmao --staying on hoary where I belong05:47
bob2mebaran151: that's awesome, but still unncceseary05:47
cafuegotha_gamemaster: There is a non-ubuntu repository with transcode in it.05:47
mebaran151bob2: it just kept segfaulting05:47
bob2mebaran151: and did you check if your disk was ok?  did it affect other users?05:47
thr1cei hate evolution05:47
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Computer__Guruapt usually fixes stuff for me05:47
mebaran151well I'm the only user on my own box05:47
Computer__Guru*shrug*05:47
mebaran151the disk was fine05:47
cafuegobob2: I've had evolution be broken quite a bit.05:47
bob2mebaran151: so, in future, make another user and see if affects them05:48
bob2cafuego: oh, sure, it's buggy as hell05:48
mebaran151it was new Western Digital 80 Gb05:48
cafuegobob2: It currently crashes reliable when I tried to modify a specific imap account.05:48
tha_gamemastercafuego, i installed the "restricted" repositories, it's still broken.05:48
bob2but it usually seems to be problems with settings in your home dir05:48
mebaran151cafeugo, heh, my contat pane was broken05:48
mebaran151bob2: I DID try deleting all its references in my home directory05:48
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mebaran151but I might not have hit them all05:48
bob2mebaran151: hence creating a test user05:48
mebaran151I doubt it was the home dir though05:48
cafuegobob2: yes, they emuilated MS quite well; it manages to be incompatible with its own prefs ;-)05:49
Computer__Gurumebaran151:  what program?05:49
bob2mebaran151: how could it possibly be anything else?05:49
mebaran151Evolution05:49
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bob2mebaran151: your user doesn't have permission to modify files anywhere else05:49
mebaran151bob2: it segfaulted05:49
Computer__Gururm -rf ~/.evolution ?05:49
mebaran151usually that is a bad library somewhere deep05:49
bob2mebaran151: yes, and it could segfault due to broken data in ~/05:49
cafuegotha_gamemaster: Do you have any slightly more elightening info than "it's broken" ?05:49
Mobiusg'devening guys / gals - I have my asus laptop with an intel 2200 - can't seem to find the wireless network .. and i've got the router right here - works with windows.. any suggestions?05:49
mebaran151bob2: weird thing was that it was in bugzilla05:49
bob2mebaran151: and how would reinstalling (which would get you bit for bit identical packages) fix a "bad library"?05:49
mebaran151and they fixed it05:49
ubunoodose anyone know why wget seems to download  rubish some sometime insteed of the file ( this link is like www.bla.com/bladir/bla.tar.gz05:50
bob2ubunoo: define "rubbish"05:50
bob2ubunoo: what does the "file" command say it is?05:50
ubunoofile comand?05:50
thr1ceare you on reiserfs ?05:50
tha_gamemastercafuego, it depends on libgcc1 and it's basically a version mis-match05:50
bob2Mobius: best to explain how far along you are05:50
bob2ubunoo: "file foo.tar.gz"05:50
ubunooim on ext305:50
ubunoook05:50
tha_gamemastercafuego, you want the exact error from synaptic? i'll paste it.05:50
ubunoocool brb05:50
cafuegotha_gamemaster: So nothing a bit of --force-foo wouldn't fix?05:50
Mobiusbob2 - been trying to find the network using iwconfig / iwlist - just set up the router last night and it works with my bros windows laptop05:51
cafuegotha_gamemaster: Not to the channel you won't!05:51
ubunoo ASCII text05:51
ubunoo!05:51
ubotuubunoo: I haven't a clue05:51
tha_gamemastercafuego, where's the flood channel ?05:51
thr1ce#flood?05:51
bob2Mobius: so the module is loaded ok? iwconfig sees the card as a wireless card?05:51
dougskubunoo, I've noticed especially with media files where they get deeply redirected on internal servers that that can happen mostly text files as opposed to the vid or what not05:51
thr1cethe name throws you off, I know05:51
mebaran151and committed it to the repos05:51
mebaran151but even though apt installed it05:51
mebaran151the bug never did come out05:51
ubunoobob2: man so its downloaded a text file?05:51
Mobiusbob2 - yep05:51
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bob2ubunoo: what was the exact url you tried to get?05:52
bob2Mobius: and "sudo iwlist scanning" doesn't show anything?05:52
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bob2mebaran151: did you follow up to the bug report?05:52
Mobiusno scan results bob205:52
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depravehi bob05:52
mebaran151bob2: yeah05:53
JemtIs it normal that the 'PowerNowD' changes my CPU frequency quite often? Almost everytime I load a program it boosts my CPU speed. Makes sense but I thought that I would boost the CPU speed if it had problems performing well05:53
mebaran151they said they fixed it05:53
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ubunoobob2: http://www.thunderstone.com/site/webinator/freeprod51/i686-unknown-linux2.4.9-64-32/webinator-5.1.tar.gz05:53
cafuegoJemt: yeah, it'll change all the time.05:53
bob2Jemt: no, it dynamically changes it based on load05:53
depravehi bob05:53
mebaran151Jemt: that is the whole point ....05:53
bob2ubunoo: er, look at the file you downloaded05:53
bob2deprave: hi05:53
mebaran151bob is very popular tonigh05:53
depravebobbyd: =D05:53
mebaran151:p05:53
depraveoops05:54
Mobiushey deprave =)05:54
depravedamn nick completor05:54
Computer__Guruwhat all processors support that powernow stuff?05:54
ilba7rthanx bob2 it seemed that the interfaces at /etc/network interfaces had both eth0 and wlan0 uploaded which was a problem as i have for both the same static ip address05:54
ubunoobob2: y?05:54
depraveMobius: =D05:54
bob2Jemt: "man powernowd" explains what the available modes are05:54
ilba7rthanx again removing one of them just did the trick05:54
bob2ubunoo: did you or not?05:54
mebaran151Computer__Guru: most05:54
bob2ilba7r: np05:54
mebaran151the AMD ones do05:54
tha_gamemasterBRB guys, switching kernels05:54
Mobiuswhats shakin' deprave?05:54
Computer__Gurumebaran151:  how would i check if my p4 does?05:54
mebaran151I think even the Petium 4 does throttling05:54
bob2Computer__Guru: all modern ones support something similar; powernowd's name is outdated05:54
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Computer__Guruah05:54
JemtThanks, bob205:55
depraveMobius: i'm extremely drunk. you?05:55
Computer__Guruthat's kinda cool05:55
MegahertzIs it mandatory to have my phone number to order the cd's?05:55
Mobiusdeprave: fighting with wireless / lol05:55
depraveMobius: fun05:55
bob2Megahertz: I think it's just so the delivery company can contact you if there's a problem05:57
Mobiuslies.05:57
depravehaha05:57
ubunoobob2: you mean try to open it in vim?05:57
depraveyeah.05:57
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bob2ubunoo: dude, however you look at text files05:57
kappadragonwhat is a good channel to ask a lot of basic linux questions - mostly drivers for hardware in my comp05:57
depravebob is there an avi plugin for ubuntu?05:57
bob2ubunoo: run cat on it for all I care05:57
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Computer__Guruhahaha05:57
Computer__GuruThis processor "Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.70GHz" is known _not_ to support power-saving.05:57
Computer__Guru * Starting powernowd...05:57
Computer__Guru * CPU frequency scaling not supported                                   [ ok ] 05:57
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elmagozizouHi...Is there a Download manager that alow dowloads recovery?05:57
bob2how would an OS have a plugin for a video container format?05:57
Megahertzbob2: So if my country code is like 011 and my province is like 905, Do i type in 011-905-123-5555 ?05:57
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depravebob2: i like pepsi.05:57
bob2if you mean "can any programs on Ubuntu play .avi movies?", then wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats05:57
ubunoobob2: ahhhhhhhhh05:57
Xenguyelmagozizou: wget05:57
paulproteuswget -c !05:57
ubunoobob2: oh mannnnn im a idoit05:57
Computer__GuruI think I'm going to watch a movie05:57
elmagozizouXenguy, thnks...is it in grafic mode?05:57
ubunoobob2: for some reason vim wouldn't open it say something about read only05:57
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bob2ubunoo: vim should still have opened it05:58
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Xenguyelmagozizou: dunno - I use it command-line05:58
ubunoobob2: "webinator-5.1.tar.gz" 1L, 20C05:59
ubunooError detected while processing function <SNR>6_read:05:59
ubunooline   32:05:59
ubunooE484: Can't open file /tmp/v811086/105:59
ubunooHit ENTER or type command to continue05:59
bob2vim was trying to open it as a .tzr.gz05:59
bob2and it's not even close to being a real .tzr.gz05:59
ubunooohhhhhhh05:59
ubunoolol05:59
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ubunoowhat do you do to wget to say open as text?06:00
bob2vim -c"ft=text" foo.tar.gz, I'd guess06:00
bob2I wouldn't bother tho, it's a one-line text file06:00
puffAh, much betteer, /proc/meminfo appears to see all of the memory now.06:00
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puffSo... my laptop seems to get fairly hot, and I can't really tell if the fan kicks on or not.06:00
majicis there an irc channel for firestarter?06:01
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geneo93has anyone used mondo for back up to tape drive06:02
puffGiven that hibernation seems flaky...06:03
cs378puff: when im running linux, fan rarely goes on, but on winXp, goes on once in 20 min06:03
puffcs378: Hm,well, maybe I'm just too paranoid.06:03
bob2puff: hibernation? really?06:03
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bob2or do you mean suspend-to-ram?06:03
bob2suspend-to-disk should work everywhere06:03
puffbob2:  well, it seems to just not come back up.06:04
bob2puff: are you using any binary-only drivers?06:04
puffI hit fn-f4 to suspend-to-ram, close it up, open it up th enext day...06:04
paulproteussuspend to RAM is not hibernate.06:04
puffbob2: AFAIK I'm using vanilla ubuntu hoary, installed it a couple days ago.06:04
bob2that's not hibernate, that's suspend-to-ram06:04
paulproteusSuspend to disk is hibernate.06:04
bob2aka sleep06:04
paulproteusLike what I should be doing right now.06:05
bob2paulproteus: 'night06:05
puffpaulproteus: Yeah, I'm using suspend-to-ram because somebody here told me suspend-to-disk is flaky... which should i use?06:05
bob2suspend-to-ram is highly machine-specific06:05
puffpaulproteus: G'night.06:05
bob2puff: is your laptop on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryPMResults?06:05
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tha_gamemastercafuego, ok how do I force install of transcode, i tried using --force-yes still  gives me a dependency error.06:05
puffLemme check.06:05
bob2force-all to get around the libgcc thing will break horribly06:06
bob2just rebuild the source package on your system06:06
tha_gamemasterbob2, that's what i was doing ^_^ at least i'm not alone in my thinking, i got transcode to compile right out of the box on os x06:06
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pufft43p, not there... t2 is.06:07
puffEr, t4206:07
puffGuess it's a bit too bleeding-edge.06:07
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bob2puff: I'd be pretty surprised if suspend-to-disk didn't work06:07
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bob2have you tried it?06:08
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ivan_qkhi06:08
SymGeosisI followed ubuntuguide.org to properly enable sound but now Totem can't play sound. It says that the sound card is in use. Any ideas on how to fix this?06:08
thr1ceSymGeosis, killall esd, then try06:08
puffbob2: Yeah, it does.06:08
puffsometimes.06:08
SymGeosisthr1ce, I tried that. =/06:08
puffOkay, so wht is the general rule of thumb, avoid suspend-to-ram and use suspend-to-disk?06:09
thr1ceSymGeosis, are you using xmms or anything?06:09
SymGeosisthr1ce, negative.06:09
ivan_qkwhitch cvs client is better?06:09
puffare there any ways to speed up the boot up process?  it seemed to send a long time at the network stage.06:09
bob2puff: no, there is no general rule of thume06:09
bob2puff: both should work, if they don't, it's a bug.  I've not seen any laptops where suspend-to-disk didn't work, tho06:10
bob2unless people used binary drivers06:10
puffivan_qk: Better for what?   I generally like the cvs command-line client, but I'll be the first to admit that graphical clients can make it a lot easier to see what has changed and needs committing.06:10
bob2puff: can you file a bug in bugzilla on the "linux" package?06:10
SymGeosispuff, you could create a custom kernel. That'd be the simplest way.06:10
puffbob2: Well, they work, but sometimes they don't seem to come back up.06:10
bob2SymGeosis: how would that help?06:10
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SymGeosispuff, and possibly you could tweak your hard drives with hdparm.06:10
bob2puff: right, which counts as "doesn't work" ;)06:10
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cs378what is better than Dev-C++?06:11
ivan_qkhow i can install cvs for use it from console?06:11
SymGeosisbob2, smaller kernel == less boot time.06:11
puffbob2: Sure, but I'd like to maybe narrow down the circumstances before i file a bug.06:11
bob2ivan_qk: install the "cvs" package06:11
ivan_qkjava is better than Dev C++06:11
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ubunoo?06:11
ivan_qkcvs, ok thanks06:11
SymGeosisbob2, I cut my load time nearly in half.06:11
ivan_qkim new on ubuntu06:11
bob2SymGeosis: you really think the time saved reading a 1.5MB kernel compared to a 1MB would help?06:11
bob2SymGeosis: was that a monolithic kernel?06:11
hybrid_gothis limewire trutly adware free?06:11
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SymGeosisbob2, No. I originally had the default kernel and then I just went through and disabled everything that I didn't need.06:12
puffY'know, the funny thing is, if you made a boot loader that almost immediately flashed a pretty, animated graphic on the screen, most people would feel like it loaded faster.06:12
bob2SymGeosis: e.g.?06:12
RetroManhi everyone, how can I safely upgrade my kernel..?06:12
kappadragonis there a prog that will scan my hardware and install the proper drivers?06:13
bob2puff: in the works for the next version06:13
puffbob2: Hee... good.06:13
puffI'm liking most of what I've seen of ubuntu, so far.06:13
SymGeosisbob2, Just about everything. Too many to name.06:13
bob2kappadragon: yes, it's called "hotplug", and you already have it06:13
bob2SymGeosis: not compiling certain modules doesn't help with boot times at all06:13
kappadragonsry im bran new still learning the progs - ty for help06:13
bob2except if depmod runs06:13
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puffbob2: You should just say "Yes, there is, i just installed it for you".06:13
bob2kappadragon: what isn't being detected?06:13
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SymGeosisbob2, then I guess I'm lying. =(06:13
SymGeosis /sarcasm.06:14
kappadragonmy LAN card06:14
bob2SymGeosis: I'm wondering how you cut it in half, since dropping modules won't save time at all06:14
bob2kappadragon: is it PCI?06:14
kappadragonusing wireless06:14
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RetroMando I upgrade my kernel simply by downloading a new linux-headers ?06:14
kappadragonyes integrated PCI06:14
bob2kappadragon: does linux support it at all?06:14
puffWell, I'm just trying to figure out how I could speed up the boot process.06:14
thr1ceRetroMan, no06:14
bob2RetroMan: no06:14
thr1ceRetroMan, don't do that at all actually06:14
kappadragonhow do i tell?06:14
RetroManok06:18
SymGeosisbob2, some of it was compiled as part of the kernel instead of modules.06:18
RetroManIm really scared... should I be?06:18
bob2RetroMan: why do you want to upgrade your kernel?06:18
puffbob2: I read about  a linux-based handheld device that had instant-on, from what I read/heard much of the trick was that it knew exactly what hardware to expect.06:18
bob2and to what?06:18
puffbob2: Somewhere in there, it was implied that a lot of the boot time is probing the hardware.06:18
bob2puff: right, that can take time06:18
RetroManIm trying to use lufs, but it doesnt seem to work under my kernel (2.6.10)06:18
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bob2but getting rid of modules you don't use won't cut that time down06:18
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bob2RetroMan: "doesnt seem to work" = ?06:18
thr1cesure, turn off hotplug...that'll turn get your time WAY down06:18
Madpilot!doesn't work06:18
ubotuI heard doesn't work is something you should never say.  Be more specific.06:18
kappadragonwhere can i find hotplug in the menus?06:18
RetroMandmesg gives me: lufs: Unknown symbol kill_proc_info06:18
puffIs there any way I can figure out where the load time is being taken up, other than re-booting and timing different stages with a stopwatch?06:18
SymGeosisI think I may just have to go back to old esd instead of esd-alsa.06:18
bob2kappadragon: it ran at boot time06:18
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bob2RetroMan: how did you instal the lufs modules?06:18
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bob2kappadragon: does linux support your card at all?  that's what you need to find out first.06:18
tommy|so i have a quick question about sudo06:18
tommy|if i had a shell script, could i tell it to automatically give the sudo password?06:18
kappadragonbob2: how do i find out?06:18
RetroManbob2 I used module-assistant build lufs, and module-assistant install lufs using the apt package lufs-source06:18
bob2tommy|: nope06:18
tommy|>_<06:18
SymGeosisbob2, I suppose some of that time may also have been influenced by hdparm though I did notice an incredible difference with my custom kernel.06:18
tommy|thanks anyways06:18
puffhm, alt-tab still feels jerky/laggy.06:18
bob2tommy|: you'd make it so the script didn't require the password at all06:18
bob2kappadragon: look on the box it came in, I suppose06:18
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bob2or find someone to interpret the output of lspci06:18
ubunoowill this work in a comand line?06:18
bob2RetroMan: odd06:18
kappadragonit was part of my computer - integrated - so i suppose not06:18
puffIs there anything else i should generally be doing to improve this machine, with respect to packages, configuration, etc?06:18
ubunoosmb://192.168.0.1/linux06:18
kappadragonbut my wireless card is integrated too06:19
ubunoothat?06:19
RetroManbob2, some googles suggest that lufs simply doesnt work on my particular version of the kernel06:19
redtechim trying to install ubuntu on my wifes pc (athlon 2100) and I recieve the following error: Kernel Panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt | Anyone familiar with this?06:19
bob2ubunoo: nope06:19
ubunoodidn't think so06:19
bob2ubunoo: sudo mount -t smbfs -o ro //192.168.1.101/stuff /mnt/kazoo06:19
bob2that's how you mount them06:19
bob2redtech: make sure the cd burnt properly06:19
redtechive used this very cd to install on the laptop that Im chatting with now...06:20
redtechill burn another copy though if you think that may be the issue06:20
ubunoobob2: would this work ubunoo: sudo mount -t smbfs -o ro //192.168.1.101/   /mnt/kazoo06:20
ubunoonot specifying a folder that is06:21
bob2redtech: no, burning again isn't useful, check if the one you have is ok or not06:21
bob2ubunoo: er, surely your share has a name?06:21
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ubunoobob2: yeah i was just wondering if that would show all the shares on that machine06:21
ubunooif i did that06:21
ricosuave17how do i setup up framebuffer plz06:21
bob2ubunoo: nope06:22
bob2ricosuave17: you don't06:22
ricosuave17i mean enable then06:22
bob2ricosuave17: you still don't.06:22
The_Voxubotu: smbclient -L ip.of.remotecomputer will give you all the shares it has06:22
ubotuThe_Vox: I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about06:22
bob2ricosuave17: explain what you're trying to do06:22
ricosuave17i wanna watch video on console06:22
ricosuave17like real terminal mode06:22
bob2ricosuave17: why?06:22
ubunoobob2: is there any why I can see what shares are avalible? with out usin natalis06:22
ricosuave17and use links06:22
bob2ubunoo: yes, The_Vox explained how06:22
bob2ricosuave17: why don't you want to use X?06:22
ubunoooh06:23
bob2kappadragon: paste the output of "lspci" to #flood06:23
ricosuave17just cause. how can i do it plz06:23
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drcodehi all06:23
drcodewhats up06:23
ubunooThe_Vox: chears06:23
ubunoothank you06:23
bob2ricosuave17: just use X06:23
RetroManbob2, could I download a newer kernel via apt, use module-assistant to build lufs alongside of that, while never actually changing my actual kernel usage?06:23
drcodeany one know nice emulator for psx2 ?06:23
tommy|i should make a useful shellscript as a practice >_>06:23
ricosuave17i dont want to use x06:23
puffbob2: hm, not sure where the linux package is in bugzilla.ubuntu.com06:23
drcodethat work in linux?06:24
bob2ricosuave17: why?06:24
ricosuave17because i like to experiment in real terminal. will you plz help me06:24
bob2read the kernel framebuffer documentation06:24
RetroManricosuave, you cant watch a video in a terminal06:24
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The_VoxRetroMan: actually, you can, tho it doesn't look too well :)06:25
bob2ricosuave17: install linux-doc-2.606:25
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RetroManoh .. :)06:25
bob2RetroMan: no, you'd need to use the kernel the modules were build tofr06:25
The_VoxRetroMan: you just use the aa video codec, as long as you have framebuffer working06:25
ricosuave17i have a problem with gnome-terminal it wont let me use the letter n06:26
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paulproteusricosuave17: What happens when you do use N?06:27
paulproteusDoes it ignore it?  Make a new window open?06:27
ricosuave17it doesnt detect the letter n06:27
paulproteusEject your CD-ROM drive?  Kill your parents?  Pop the cap of the 'n' off your keyboard?06:27
paulproteusOh, just ignoring it.  Okay.06:27
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JemtI haft to go. Thanks for all your help, guys06:28
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ricosuave17ok i installed the doc how do i use them now?>06:28
redtechbob2, it was the memory..  thanks06:29
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ricosuave17bob2: how do i use the docs06:30
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ricosuave17bob2: will u help me plz06:33
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puffbob2: Ah, found the linux package, bug filed.06:33
thr1cericosuave17, a doc?  start by reading it...06:34
tha_gmbob2, is all kinds of crazy-busy06:34
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ricosuave17well i mean were is the section about frame buffer06:34
ricosuave17why wont u just tell me06:34
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_icebreaker_what package do i need to extract rar archives with ther archiv manager?06:35
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thr1cericosuave17, it's linux, not everything is handed to you06:35
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thr1ceand honestly, I don't know; either I look for it, or you do06:35
ricosuave17well u could just tell me what to do06:35
bob2ricosuave17: for god's sake, dude06:36
ricosuave17what dude06:36
bob2ricosuave17: /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-<tab>06:36
tha_gmi'm learning tons of stuff! i think i'm figuring out compiling errors...06:36
bob2you need to have some small amount of initiaive yourself06:36
nomasteryodabob2, well said06:37
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tha_gmhere here bob2 !06:37
ricosuave17i need to recompile my kernel?06:38
tha_gmbob2, is my hero, I just impressed myself...06:38
bob2ricosuave17: of course not06:39
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bob2ricosuave17: did you read the frame buffer documentation yet?06:39
ricosuave17were is it?06:39
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bob2dude06:39
bob2come on06:39
tha_gmricosuave17: /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-<tab>06:39
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ricosuave17what do i use to read it with what program06:40
paulproteusricosuave17: It's text files.06:40
Christophe971wow so much people here06:40
Christophe971plop06:40
puffHm, is there a faster browser than firefox? This is excruciating.06:40
paulproteusYou can use gedit or vim or less or nano or emacs or kedit or ....06:40
paulproteuspuff: You should probably look into the IPv6 problem and solution if you think Firefox is slow.06:40
Christophe971puff: try Opera06:40
puffpaulproteus: Hm?06:40
puffI'm on a machine that's ridiculously more powerful than my old win2k laptop and it's slow.06:40
tha_gmbob2, ok, i sucessfully compiled and installed transcode with no errors, so now how do i get past it in the dependencies of apt?06:41
puffI refuse to believe that windows is faster than linux :-).06:41
tha_gmbob2, btw i'm trying to install dvdrip06:41
paulproteusYou can use gedit or vim or less or nano or emacs or kedit or ....06:41
paulproteuspuff: You should probably look into the IPv6 problem and solution if you think Firefox is slow.06:41
tha_gmpuff, i refuse to b believe that as well06:41
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paulproteusSorry, that's what I meant to re-say.06:41
bob2tha_gm: er, you didn't use the ubuntu source package?06:41
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paulproteuspuff: If your DNS servers suck, Firefox will be crazy slow.06:42
paulproteusIt will try to request IPv6 addresses, wait FOR FREAKING EVER for no answer, and then fall back to IPv4.06:42
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tha_gmbob2, there's a source-package ? i just did it the tarball way06:42
paulproteus(Do you know what IPv6 is, puff?)06:42
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bob2no, not like that06:42
bob2nevermind06:42
bob2just install equivs and make a fake transcode package06:43
puffNo candidate version found for opera06:43
bob2oper's of course not in ubuntu06:43
paulproteusDo you know what IPv6 is, puff?06:43
jernauq: where are the conf files responsible for default terminal profiles and such?06:43
tha_gmbob2, how do i make a fake transcode package? compile it as a .deb ?06:43
bob2puff: have you trid disabling ipv6 yet?06:43
bob2tha_gm: no, 14:43:09 @         bob2 | just install equivs and make a fake transcode package06:43
bob2apt-cache show equivs06:44
puffpaulproteus: it's more that it's slow in interacting with web forms, not in loading/rendering pages.06:44
puffI know what IPv6 is, yeah, not sure where i'd disable it, /etc/network?06:44
paulproteuspuff: "interacting with" them?  What do you mean?06:44
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paulproteuspuff: There's instructions on wiki.ubuntu.com; use its search capacity.06:44
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puffpaulproteus:  clicking on the submit button.  Using tab to move the focus from one button to the next.06:45
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paulproteuspuff: Oh, I see.06:45
ricosuave17ok im so lost even trying to read the file. whats the name of the framebuffer file its no were to be found06:45
paulproteusYeah, that's a GTK suckage problem, mostly.06:45
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paulproteusTry Konqueror instead.06:45
Christophe971god damned06:45
paulproteusYou could try one of the GTK themes that renders its widgets using Qt.  Those are often faster than usual GTK rendering.06:46
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paulproteusThat's because GTK sucks.06:46
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drcodeif I Have tar.gz06:46
drcodeI can compile it in ubuntu06:46
tha_gmbob2, i hate to repeat myself and make you repeat yourself but i don't undstand "fake transcode package"06:46
tha_gmbob2, i'm already installing all the dependencies06:47
bob2tha_gm: apt-cache show equivs06:47
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bob2tha_gm: make an empty package which does nothing but provide transgaming06:47
dr_willisHmm. anyone recall where ya can find the source code to 'ls' at?06:47
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bob2you isntall transcode to some random directory, somewhere, and apt has no idea about it06:47
bob2dr_willis: coreutils06:47
ricosuave17whats the name of the framebuffer doc06:48
grey-areaq; where are the conf files responsible for terminal profiles and such?06:48
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tha_gmbob2, how do i make an empty package... for transcode not transgaming06:48
paulproteusOkay, sleepytime everyone.06:48
tha_gmnite paulproteus06:48
Christophe971it's only 00:4906:49
Christophe971the night begins06:49
Christophe971(or "batnights begins" if you prefer)06:49
ricosuave17why in god names are the doc compressed06:50
bob2tha_gm: apt-cache show equivs06:50
puffhm, typo in the entry for disabling ipv6 in firefox.06:50
tha_gmbob2, ok06:50
bob2ricosuave17: to save space, duh06:50
Christophe971:)06:50
concept10K3B is probably the only KDE application that I use on my GNOME desktop.  Is there anyway to change the font of this QT application to match gnome?06:50
puffIn any event, it's disabled now, still slow.06:50
ricosuave17grrr. but it wont let me extract to that dir06:50
bob2ricosuave17: use a less terrible editor and they willd display fine06:50
bob2ricosuave17: then don't extract them06:50
bob2ricosuave17: zless foo.gz06:50
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puffSlow as in:  move pointer over "submit" button, click, a half-second later the submit button depresses.06:51
tha_gmbob2, i get it! thanks!06:51
puffMaybe it's just metacity... what's a recommended fast/light WM?06:51
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bob2how would metacity affect that?06:52
Razulhow do you install party poker in ubuntu?06:52
Christophe971bob2=superman: he can answer 3 person at the same time :)06:52
bob2Razul: and party poker = some random windows poker game?06:52
Razulyes06:52
vinuxwow it's great to be back on ubuntu! I tried out Freebsd and boy it made me miss ubuntu even more. I don't know why people insist on wasting thier time configuring stuff they don't need too06:52
bob2you probably can't06:52
bob2it might work under wine06:52
Razuldamn06:52
Razulunder wine06:53
Razulany idea how to install?06:53
bob2sure, install the wine package06:53
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Razulwell i have wine-ui installed i think that is it06:53
bob2no, it's not06:53
Razuldo i need to install just wine?06:53
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puffbob2: Somebody here said perceived slowness might be due to the window manager.06:58
Razulwhen wine installs do i just download the partypoker.exe?   If so how do i run it?06:58
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eli_anyone know the link to winmac sh file?06:59
eli_lost the link =S06:59
bob2Razul: wine whatever.exe06:59
Razulk07:00
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puffWhat the hell:  sudo apt-cache search opera | wc -> 86407:02
ryan_how do i force kill an app?07:03
bob2no need to use sudo on apt-cache07:04
bob2and it seems reasonable for packages to use the string "opera" in their descriptions07:04
eli_ryan, did you open it in a terminal?07:04
eli_the application07:04
ryan_no eli07:04
puffbob2: Yah, but "apt-get install opera" can't find a candidate.07:04
ryan_its an app07:04
ryan_an installer thats frozen07:04
bob2puff: of course, opera the browser isn't in ubuntu07:04
bob2puff: no one but the opera company are allowed to distrubiute it; if you'd like that to change you can ask them to change the license07:05
bob2or go download the ad-nfested .deb from opera.com yourself07:05
puffAh, I see.07:05
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puffSorry, I wasn't aware opera is commercial.07:05
drcodehi all07:05
drcodewhen I try to ./configure07:05
drcodeI get configure: No such file or directory07:05
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eli_ryan_, my best guess would be to go to system tools and open system monitor -> you can shut it down that way07:05
eli_any suggestions anyone?07:05
drcodewhat I Need to install so I can compile07:06
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bob2drcode: er07:06
bob2drcode: that means that file doesn't exist07:06
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bob2presumably you're in the wrong directory07:09
ryan_thanks eli_07:09
drcodebob:I need to install somthing ?07:09
kaliasHi!  I have a networking question.07:09
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bob2drcode: no, you need to run that command in the actual source tree07:09
bob2you're in the wrong place07:09
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eli_ryan_, happy to help =)07:09
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kaliasHow do I get the name of my ubuntu machine to appear next to the ip address in my router?07:09
ewewhas anyone ever installed hydrogen?07:09
drcodek07:09
drcodethanx07:09
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kaliasAny network gurus out there?07:09
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bob2that's not a network guru question07:09
kalias:)07:09
_icebreaker_i'm looking for howto's for winex compiling and configuring07:09
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bob2_icebreaker_: #cedega07:09
ryan_eli whats the terminal command to kill a an app that frozen07:09
kaliasHow do I get the name of my ubuntu machine to appear next to the ip address in my router?07:10
bob2repeating is annoying07:10
eli_<Control>c07:10
bob2I'm already finding the option for you07:10
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kaliasoh, sorry.07:10
eli_at the same time07:10
_icebreaker_bob2, thx07:10
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bob2kalias: edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf07:10
bob2kalias: the "send hostname" option is what yo uwant, I assume07:10
dr_willisHmm. Is there any console framebuffer support in the standard ubuntu kernel? or was it considered  too flakey?07:10
ricosuave17i want framebuffer07:10
kaliasyes, I think so.   I will give it a try.07:11
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SquareGuyAmaranth, whats up?  I now have 5.04 on this box07:11
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bob2ricosuave17: then read the documentation, instead of annoying people here07:11
AmaranthSquareGuy: hey07:11
ricosuave17i did07:11
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ricosuave17but i dont understand07:11
AmaranthSquareGuy: nice job :)07:11
turkuazhas X been fized yet?07:11
bob2no07:11
turkuaz**fixed07:11
AmaranthI've converted a Gentoo user to Ubuntu, bow before me! ;)07:12
bob2ricosuave17: perhaps you should just use X for now then07:12
turkuazany idea when?07:12
ricosuave17why07:12
Amaranthturkuaz: next month07:12
Amaranth;)07:12
SquareGuyAmaranth, yeah well actually I am a Debian user who was playing around with Gentoo ;)07:12
turkuazu serious, its important for the Translation team..07:12
Amaranth(that's tomorrow and might actually be today in some timezones)07:12
eli_anyone know the link to winmac sh file? its an sh file that automatically recognizes other partitions and mounts them07:12
bob2ricosuave17: because it seems that setuping up the framebuffer is too hard for you07:12
bob2ricosuave17: and you have no compelling reason to do so07:12
Amaranthturkuaz: i'd expect it to generally be broken until after feature freeze07:13
eli_Severas wrote it, but i lost the link =S07:13
ricosuave17well the other day i killed X07:13
ricosuave17and i almost couldnt get it up again07:13
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turkuazAmaranth, thx07:13
dr_willisHmm.. ricosuave17  that sould of been a trivial thing.07:13
ricosuave17what do you mean07:13
Razulok i ran it "wine PartyPokerSetup.exe"  looks like it is going to install but then hangs says 137 error07:13
SquareGuyAmaranth, I know this isn't the right channel but are the seperators suppossed to show on a stock Ubuntu 5.04?07:14
Amaranthturkuaz: it's fixable if you do some hackery but then no one will be available to test it when it supposedly gets fixed07:14
concept10!ntfs07:14
uboturumour has it, ntfs is the filesystem used under Windows XP. The Ubuntu installer can safely resize an NTFS partition to create a new partition for you to install Ubuntu. http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab07:14
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ivan_qksup07:14
concept10eli_, there you go07:14
AmaranthSquareGuy: GNOME 2.10 doesn't support separators or reordering07:14
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ivan_qkhey how i can download amsn from cvs?07:14
SquareGuyAmaranth, alright gotcha07:14
AmaranthSquareGuy: You only get those on GNOME 2.11.x and KDE. :)07:14
ivan_qki already installed cvs07:14
bob2ricosuave17: I mean, just use X, there's no reason to spend hours setting up console framebuffers07:15
ricosuave17well i mean i get bored of doing the same thing. besides X looks horrible07:15
AmaranthSquareGuy: I had so many bug reports because of that...07:15
bob2ricosuave17: how on earth could X look horrible?07:15
dr_willisHmm...07:15
bob2ricosuave17: X doesn't look like anything07:15
AmaranthSquareGuy: before i disabled it on 2.10, i mean07:15
bob2it just displays things for other programs07:16
eli_thanks people for the link to winmac :)07:16
vinuxI love X07:16
dr_willishttp://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO.html07:16
SquareGuyAmaranth, hehe07:16
ricosuave17i mean Win XP and MAc os X all look like heaven and X is like hell07:16
bob2ricosuave17: so, you don't mean "X", you mean "gnome", right07:16
eli_particulary concept10, thanks07:16
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Amaranthricosuave17: http://www.realistanew.com/desktop2.png looks better than anything Windows has shown me :)07:16
bob2ricosuave17: please be more careful about your jargon when insulting things07:16
dr_willisricosuave17,  you dont really know enough about it to be making such statements. :P07:16
ricosuave17yes i am sorry but im sure Y will look nice07:16
AmaranthY will never release07:17
bob2ricosuave17: no, youre still confused07:17
AmaranthY isn't even needed07:17
ricosuave17nop windows still looks nicer then that pic07:17
kaliasnext question, How do I restart dhcp?07:17
bob2ricosuave17: X is a graphic driver, more or less07:17
bob2ricosuave17: you can't "see" X at all07:17
ricosuave17alright im sorry07:17
AmaranthX dictates mechanism, not policy07:17
Amaranthit doesn't "look" like anything07:17
bob2ricosuave17: if you mean "I don't like the look of GNOME's default theme", then say so07:17
bob2instead of just making confused rants07:17
tvonAnyone running breezy and missing items under /dev/ that are usually there?07:17
Amaranthricosuave17: You think Windows looks better than that? You'd probably like KDE than.07:17
Amarantherr, then07:17
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ricosuave17well i mean i ahve tried ICE and Gnome and KDe and Window Maker XFCE and a bunch more and none are nice07:18
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dr_willisricosuave17,  how nice and vague07:18
SquareGuyAmaranth, well i have a project tomorrow.  setting up a radius server for my wi-fi but I haven't quite figured out wireless in Ubuntu yet.  Everything is configured and I connect with AES/CCMP but i have to use dhclient manually because when I tell wlan0 in the config file to use dhcp it doesn't wotk.  I'll look into it later, I am sure it's something simple07:18
Gattonricosuave17, then just theme your Ubuntu to look like Windows or OS X07:18
bob2ricosuave17: then write your own07:18
vinuxI Changed my gnome around deleting the original two panels and making my own. Looks nice and customized07:18
zenroxricosuave17,  then you havent found the right theme for you07:18
Amaranth!wifi07:18
ubotuit has been said that wifi is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto07:18
bob2ricosuave17: or produce your own theme that you like07:18
kaliasnickrud: Hi! How are you?07:18
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AmaranthSquareGuy: ubotu knows much :)07:19
ricosuave17i did try the XP theme on gnome07:19
Amaranthricosuave17: ick07:19
ricosuave17its decent but still not that nice07:19
eli_smart guy he is, ubotu07:19
eli_how are you ubotu?07:19
ricosuave17the mac os x was very bad07:19
Amaranthricosuave17: default XP theme looks like a toy07:19
Amaranthricosuave17: and brushed metal looks like junk too07:19
Amaranth:P07:19
ricosuave17no i downloaded another XP07:19
eli_ubotu07:19
eli_yes very smart07:19
dr_willisbest theme - is minimal themes :P07:20
dr_willislol07:20
concept10Anyone know how to modify QT/KDE settings while using GNOME?07:20
ricosuave17the truth i have seen nice linux pics but i dont how to make mine nice07:20
GattonAmaranth, hehe agreed. I love my emac but I had to download that demetallifizer utility to strip the brushed metal look off. Way overused07:20
eli_is there a brushed metal theme for gnome?07:20
eli_just curious07:20
zenroxeli_, yes07:20
geneo93best theme is green on black07:20
SquareGuyAmaranth, also i am looking at upgrading my pentium m 1.7 to a 2.1 in the next few months07:20
Amaranthyeah, but they're worse than the real thing07:20
vinuxdr_willis, yes I'm with ya on that07:20
AmaranthSquareGuy: I hate you. :)07:20
eli_zenrox, where could i find it =)07:21
ricosuave17are you people again Y07:21
zenroxgnome-look.org??07:21
eli_SquareGuy, you should put a pentium m chip in there07:21
ricosuave17bad website bad07:21
eli_then tweak it07:21
Amaranthricosuave17: I'm against cracktastic things that aren't needed and will never release, yes.07:21
SquareGuyAmaranth, nah you don't I am gonna find some hardware for ya07:21
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eli_and is faster than the best pentium 4 chip07:21
GattonHeck this is the first time I've heard of Y. I'm pretty happy with xorg so far07:23
vinuxdr_willis, I got no icons on my desktop just in the panel that is that's on auto hide hehe. Nice big background picture :)07:23
ricosuave17whats wrong with Y07:23
SquareGuyeli_, it is a pentium m07:23
ubunoobob2: um are you shure you gave me that smb comand line right?07:23
Gattonvinux, you got a lady on your wallpaper or something you don't want obscured? ;)07:23
eli_oh, well... (outspoken eli is) never mind07:23
Razulalright i give up on poker lol...07:23
Amaranthricosuave17: What I just said. :P07:23
ubunooit says:mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on07:23
Amaranthricosuave17: Do you like http://gnome-look.org/content/pre2/19075-2.jpg ?07:23
bob2ubunoo: perhaps you didn't install smbfs yet07:23
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bob2ubunoo: or dont' have kernel support for it07:23
SquareGuyAmaranth, need a turtle beach santa cruz sound card?07:23
ubunoolol07:23
ubunoosorry07:23
AmaranthSquareGuy: ooh07:23
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AmaranthSquareGuy: i can use anything given to me, i've got integrated everything but video :)07:23
ricosuave17Amaranth: it looks ok but not spectacular. what do u mean by cracktastic07:23
AmaranthSquareGuy: and newer integrated video systems beat my card07:23
ubunoobob2: yeah i keep forgetting cause i was using shares in gnome07:23
ubunoobut i need smb tools ay07:23
ubunoothanks for all your help ay07:23
ubunoo:)07:23
SquareGuyAmaranth, hehe yeah i know that card very well.  It will run OpenGL screensavers though07:24
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ryan_once someone has installed eciadsl, how do they configure it to detect the modem?07:24
AmaranthSquareGuy: barely07:24
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SquareGuyAmaranth, I will find out some info on that 9000 pro soon07:24
vinuxGatton, hehe nah just a picture of the mountians07:24
Amaranthryan_: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure eciadsl07:24
Amaranthricosuave17: cracktastic means worthless, more or less07:24
ryan_Amaranth, thanks bud07:25
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live2Hello, I just installed ubuntu (hoary) on another computer, and the networking is not working. When I try to give the root password for the graphical networking tools, it will not accept it.07:25
Gattonvinux, same here. Nice b&w lake/mountain shot07:25
eli_where's a good place to get gtk themes?07:25
eli_other than gnome-look.org07:25
Amaranthricosuave17: cracktastic(adj) - the complete opposite of fantastic07:25
eli_and art.gnome.org07:26
Amarantheli_: those are the only two07:26
concept10live2, try your user password07:26
eli_....07:26
eli_ok07:26
ricosuave17well im sure Y is a great idea07:26
Amaranthricosuave17: Something that defines look has to continually be updated.07:26
Gattonricosuave17, you seem awfully hung up on it :)07:26
live2That doesnt seem to work either.07:26
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Amaranthricosuave17: The X protocol hasn't changed in well over a decade.07:26
ricosuave17thats why07:26
ricosuave17casue X is old07:26
paxumm what happened to nvu, is it gone from the repos?07:26
Amaranthricosuave17: But our desktops look a _lot_ different than 10 years ago.07:27
Amaranthricosuave17: Drop replace what works.07:27
Amarantherr, Don't07:27
ricosuave17but after lornhorn windows comes out linux will be dead07:27
rekahehe07:27
Amaranthricosuave17: hahah07:27
Gattonricosuave17, I knew it! You are on the Microsoft payroll ;-)07:27
ricosuave17lol07:27
Amaranthricosuave17: Windows Vista - the thud heard round the world07:27
Gattonricosuave17, no you can't be. Cuz you didn't say Vista ;)07:28
concept10pax, its in breezy but you want to look for the recently 1.0 version07:28
AmaranthGatton: Actually, Microsoft does hire people to troll07:28
dr_willisit will be the biggest thing since.... spam!07:28
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Amaranthhey davey07:28
paxconcept10: good to know, thanks.07:28
ricosuave17but u see the problem is linux at least the WM's and arent animated and dont have pretty color07:28
geneo93after xp i dont think so07:28
ricosuave17and nice lights and stuff07:28
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GattonAmaranth, I've heard that. Pretty shady. Unless they wanna give me a bag of cash. Then I'll say Linux is the sux0r ;-)07:28
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Amaranthricosuave17: I see, you're an "ooh, shiny" kind of guy.07:29
DaveyHey Amaranth  :)07:29
DekaPinkhttp://www.fameg.com.br/page.php?cod_pagina=149 <- Famelix looks like something I could get my friends to use if it was English. xD07:29
DaveyAmaranth, Ubuntu hates me :(07:29
ricosuave17yeap yeap07:29
Amaranthricosuave17: I like it better when things work. :)07:29
ricosuave17well if it shines and works isnt that better07:29
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dr_willisI also perfer tools that actually work - vs shiny ones that dont.07:29
Amaranthricosuave17: I'd rather have it work first, then add the shine.07:29
Amaranthricosuave17: Which is what we're doing if you look at the developers.07:29
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dr_williscircular logic - gotta love it.07:29
ricosuave17other way around is nice07:29
Amaranthricosuave17: Other way around is Windows ME.07:30
skalpelhow do i install quicktime?07:30
paxonly in #ubuntu can a troll get attention. attention for human beings! :D07:30
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dr_willis:)07:30
dr_willispax,  yep07:30
AmaranthDavey: What'd you break this time?07:30
necrogamiDr_willis OMFG you said it all!!!! i like tools that work vs shinyones that dont07:30
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SquareGuyAmaranth, WinME is Satan's spawn07:30
AmaranthSquareGuy: *ding* We have a winner! :)07:30
zenroxlol07:31
AmaranthI'd rather use Windows 3.1 than Windows ME. :)07:31
dr_willisof course I am trying to figure out why i cant enable dma on my new laptops hard drive.. I think its a chipset issue.07:31
AmaranthAlthough XP isn't that bad if you turn some things off and have a firewall.07:31
zenroxwin3.11 = best win os ever07:31
dr_willisyou can enable dma on sata drives cant you?07:31
Amaranthdr_willis: It's already on.07:31
zenroxyep07:31
paxif the mobo allows you07:31
Amaranthdr_willis: Just not at a level hdparm can understand.07:31
ricosuave17i do agree on that statemne07:31
dr_willisAmaranth,  well hdparm  dosent say its on. :P  heh ok.07:31
zenroxricosuave17,  the win3.1107:32
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zenroxlol07:32
dr_willisAmaranth,  but i dont think the laptop is useing sata :P07:32
Amaranthdr_willis: This is what crimsun says, anyway.07:32
rekaskalpel: there's no quicktime port for linux....install w32codecs for totem, or use a media player with it's own codecs if you want .mov support07:32
necrogamiMicrosoft GEO .. Best windows os07:32
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SquareGuyAmaranth, imo W2K was their best work.07:32
dr_willisthe hd is showing up as  hda. so that imples its normal ide right?07:32
GattonAny of you guys upload your screenshots anywhere besides gnome-look? I am a sucker for purty screen shots ;)07:32
Amaranthdr_willis: Yep.07:32
AmaranthSquareGuy: I agree.07:32
concept10dr_willis, what is the error message?07:32
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AmaranthSquareGuy: But it's been EOLed so we have to move up to XP and turn things off.07:32
concept10Gatton, lynucs.org07:32
courtkneehey all07:33
SammiXP is about equal to 98 in my opinion, and that's only because it can run newer stuff (whereas 98 rocks but is a little obsolete when it comes to the newer stuff.)07:33
AmaranthGatton: http://www.realistanew.com/desktop.png http://www.realistanew.com/desktop2.png07:33
dr_willisconcept10,  well im reistalling 64bit ubuntu on the laptop at the moment - will see it in a min.07:33
skalpelhow can you use quicktime form a webbrowser?07:33
Gattonconcept10, hey thanks. I ued to have that bookmarked and lost it07:33
AmaranthSquareGuy: btw, what do you think of http://dev.realistanew.com/icon_example.png ?07:33
GattonAmaranth, doh! I thought i would be smart and try desktop1.png and no worky ;) thanks07:33
SquareGuyAmaranth, I like it07:33
vinuxI don't like to run windows because it makes me think of Bill Gates and ofcourse all those awfull times I had with windows hehe07:33
Amaranth:D07:33
dr_willisIm checking the forums and aparently 64bit AMd processors/Turions -  can be having some 'issues' that make the system sluggish. i was thinkign it was the dma issue.. but it seems deeper then that.07:34
Amaranthhttp://dev.realistanew.com/icon_example.png <--anyone else have an opinion on the icon?07:34
zenroxlooking now07:34
Amaranthdr_willis: Sounds like that issue that a newer kernel fixed.07:34
zenroxnice07:34
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zenroxvery nice Amaranth07:34
concept10Amaranth, do you know anything about GNOME themes?07:34
GattonAmaranth, I sene a trend with your backgrounds here. Who is that lady out of curiosity07:34
Amaranthconcept10: somewhat07:35
ricosuave17its looks nice07:35
courtkneeI have a external HD (USB) that was been formatted for NTFS.  When I plug it into my system should I be able to view it under 'computer' ?  Is there an additional step I need to undergo?  The drive shows up under usb config info screens.07:35
AmaranthGatton: cristina scabbia from lacuna coil07:35
hybrid_gothAmaranth: turn off the computer?07:35
dr_willisAmaranth,  cook.. what version # ya refering to by the way? :P07:35
dr_williscool : P i mean07:35
Amaranthcourtknee: NTFS partitions are read-only07:35
Amaranthhybrid_goth: Err, yes?07:35
SammiAmaranth: I like the icon. And the desktops are pretty. :D07:35
hybrid_gothlucana coil pwns07:35
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Amaranthcourtknee: But it should show up.07:35
concept10Amaranth, I want to change the progress bar.  This guy that made a Thunderbird theme has an excellent OS X style progress bar, I want to rip that out and place it into GNOME.  Dont know where to start07:36
courtkneeAmaranth:  thats cool;  but how do i get that 'read' stage? :D07:36
GattonAmaranth, I like it. Reminds me of the Tinker Tool icon on the Mac07:36
hybrid_gothAmaranth:  you said turn some things off in xp to make it safe i said yea the computer07:36
puffbob2: Hm, well, konqueror certainly seems a lot snappier.07:36
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Amaranthhybrid_goth: oh, haha07:36
rekaskalpel: installing the mplayer plugin would probably work07:36
puffWell, enough for tongih.... gotta go get a few drinks in before the bars close.07:36
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Amaranthcourtknee: i dunno, it should just work07:36
AmaranthGatton: thanks07:36
skalpelok, how do i install the mplayer plugin?07:36
rekaskalpel: or you could just run a video player when a .mov file is detected...which is what i do07:36
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courtkneei'll fiddle around with it some more;  its not a desperate need really.  This distro worked 95% out of the box.  Its awesome07:37
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Amaranthconcept10: that's low level gtk engine hacking07:37
rekaskalpel: what browser?07:37
skalpelfirfox07:37
concept10Amaranth, damn! I wish I could just replace the graphic element.07:37
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Amaranthbtw, please don't talk about w32codecs here. Just point people to the wiki page.07:37
rekaskalpel: install mozilla-mplayer07:38
poningruhi I had a couple of questions07:39
rekaAmaranth: noted07:39
rekaskalpel:07:39
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reka!restricted07:39
ubotuhmm... restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats07:39
poningruis there a guide to minimizing the space used by gnome07:39
ricosuave17does anyone here not use gnome07:39
Amaranthponingru: space?07:39
poningruas in the screen space07:39
vinuxwhy use anything else?07:39
Amaranthah07:39
zenroxricosuave17, i use xfce07:39
poningrusorry should have been more clear07:39
Amaranthponingru: get rid of one of the panels07:39
poningrusee I like this config07:39
ricosuave17i think xfce is nice do u have a screenie07:39
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poningrubut I wanna make my panels smaller07:40
vinuxxfce is nice07:40
Amaranthah07:40
poningruas in the height07:40
skalpeli dont see anything about quicktime on that webpage07:40
zenroxricosuave17, hold on ill get one07:40
vinuxricosuave17, I like xfce too07:40
Amaranthyou want to edit the panel properties then07:40
ricosuave17ok anyone that has a screenie can i plz see it07:40
Amaranthponingru: right click on a blank spot on the panel and choose properties07:40
poningruyeah doesnt allow me to go below 24 px07:40
Amaranthah07:40
Amaranthok, then you can't07:40
Gattonponingru, you have better eyes than me then. my gnome panels are pretty darn thin as it is :)07:40
skalpelreka, what's the command line for installing that?07:40
poningruhehe07:40
skalpeloops07:40
kevin06Does anyone know what size hard drives Ubuntu supports "out of the box?"07:40
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Gattonlooks like 23 is the minimum for me too07:41
poningruGatton: you know you can make it bigger07:41
Amaranthponingru: My top panel can go to 2307:41
Amaranthponingru: But I think it'll only go as small as it's smallest element07:41
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poningruyeah that seems to be the case07:41
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Sammiricosuave17: http://www.xfce.org/index.php?page=screenshots&lang=en07:41
poningrukevin06: it will take all Hard drive sizes07:41
Gattonponingru, well if nothing else you saved me 2 pixels of screen space and i'm now at 23 ;)07:42
joevandykIs there a subversion IRC channel somewhere?07:42
kevin06poningru: Thank you.07:42
poningrukevin06: it just needs enough to put the system files07:42
SammiIt's easier than anything to Google "Xfce."07:42
poningrubut there is no upper limit07:42
SammiThe websites always have screenshots.07:42
kevin06Just wanted to make sure before I shell out $$$ for a big drive and have it end up useless.07:43
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Gattonricosuave17, some customized xfce screens   http://lynucs.org/index.php?p=search&search_string=xfce&search_categ=screen07:43
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vinuxI use a 40gig. Well i'm using a 12gig partition for ubuntu now07:44
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vinuxoh nvm lol I got just one partition now for ubuntu07:44
ryan_is there any programs that will play DVD movies if you install them, without any fafing around?07:45
onurhello i need help on changing my keyboard layout. Cause no matter what i do i cant change it07:45
Gattonvinux, what OS got paved over?07:45
poningruonur: whats up?07:45
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zenroxwhat you think ricosuave1707:45
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vinuxGatton, FreeBSD! I will never even look at that distro again07:45
xkusemeanybody know what rcS does07:45
poningruryan_: what do you mean fafin around?07:46
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Gattonvinux, I have tried a couple of times. Could never get anywhere. I thought it was just me ;)07:46
ryan_with out any messing around to get it working poningru07:46
onurponingru, currently i am using a turkish keyboard of my hp nx7010 laptop and i made a fresh install of ubuntu07:46
ryan_onur, system prefs keybored07:46
onurponingru, and i set the keyboard layout from the prefers keyboard07:46
poningruonur: hmm let me see07:46
ricosuave17they look nice07:46
onurponingru, to turkish but it is still in english07:46
SammiOkay, so about how much faster is XFCE supposedly than GNOME?07:47
vinuxGatton, well when they say it helps to read the handbook on it they are not kidding. You really need to read it all the way through like 3 times plus spend about 300hours trying to configure crap lol07:47
ryan_poningru, do you know of any?07:47
zenroxricosuave17,  thats a dual monitor set up07:47
onurponingru, and theres no other layout . i removed the US07:47
ricosuave17cool. how can i have a virtual desktop?07:47
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zenroxricosuave17,  it ant a virtual desktop07:47
zenroxits 2 seprate monitors07:48
ricosuave17i mean can i do it07:48
vinuxGatton, what really bugs me about it is they have a PC-BSD version out now. Which is easy to use like ubuntu but still is in beta. But it doesn't work well with FreeBSD07:48
zenroxif you have a vid card with 2 heads on it07:48
Razulcan you install fluxbox in ubuntu?07:48
ricosuave17nop07:48
poningruryan_: here let me help onur first07:48
ricosuave17i mean like the one were u have a desktop bigger then ur screen07:48
Razuloh07:48
poningruonur: under the pref keyboard07:48
ricosuave17and u scroll on it07:48
paxRazul: sure you can.07:48
ryan_poningru, not a prob mate :)07:48
zenroxricosuave17,  i dont know how to do that07:48
onurponingru,  yeah ?07:48
poningruonur: go to layout07:48
poningruand press add07:48
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Gattonvinux, I actually tried to install PC-BSD but it seemed to not like either my wireless keyboard or my KVM or both and I was too lazy to hooked up a wired keyboard and mouse to get it going ;) Maybe some other day07:48
ricosuave17wiat were is ur pic07:48
Razuloh ok kewl07:49
Gattonubuntu just works07:49
onurponingru, done!07:49
Gattonsomething to be said for that07:49
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poningruif you scroll down there should be a turkish option07:49
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poningruon the side07:49
onurscroll down ?07:49
onurby adding ?07:49
poningruyeah07:49
GattonAs I get older I find I am less content to edit config files. Granted I've had to do a little of that with Ubuntu but not nearly as much as with past distros with the possible exception of Suse07:49
onuri have already added07:49
poningruwhich one have you added?07:49
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poningrulayout I mean07:49
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onurTurkish Turkish Alt-Q Layouy07:50
onurlayout07:50
poningruhmm and it still types in english?07:50
onuryes07:50
poningru07:50
onurand it is selected as default and i removed all english07:50
poningruwait07:51
poningrudo you have the turkish locale installed?07:51
poningrufrom synaptic07:51
onurdunno ?07:51
poningrugo into synaptic and install the turkey locale07:51
onuri am in synaptic07:52
poningrulet me make sure that is availble07:52
onurhow shall i find the turkey locale there07:52
vinuxGatton, well they are still working on it. But i'm sure they will have it working great in about a year07:52
thoreauputiclanguage-support-tr  metapackage for Turkish language support07:53
onurSynaptic  = > Synaptic Package Manager ?07:53
thoreauputicopenoffice.org-l10n-tr - Turkish language package for OpenOffice.org07:53
thoreauputiclanguage-pack-tr-base - translations for language Turkish07:53
poningruyeah07:54
poningruwhat he said07:54
onurfound it07:54
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poningruonur: that should enable you to input in turkish07:54
Dr_Melectaushey thoreauputic07:54
Dr_MelectausHow are you :)07:54
onurnow installing07:54
poningruwhen you right click on an input area07:54
Gattonvinux, you're probably right. Afterall nobody though Debian would ever be so easy to install and use eh? ;)07:54
thoreauputicDr_Melectaus: OK - you ?07:54
poningrualso that allows your entire desktop to go turkish07:54
Dr_MelectausIm good thanks07:55
poningruDr_Melectaus: dude you changed name07:55
Dr_Melectauslol sorry, just hate ryan_07:55
poningruhehe07:56
poningruok so you wanna watch dvds07:56
vinuxGatton, well the new Suse I would have to say is awsome. 9.3 rocks but I don't like all that paying for it lol. You can get it free but it's not the same.07:56
Dr_MelectausWell its my real name. But its a bit cheesy with the _07:56
Dr_Melectausyes poningru07:56
onurponingru, installation done. now what07:56
onurstill in english07:56
Gattonvinux, I was able to get Suse Pro 9.3 with my last job. Again I had installation/upgrade issues. It's one of the reasons I mainly use Ubuntu now07:57
AmaranthDr_Melectaus: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales07:57
poningruonur: you have to restart07:57
GattonAt some point I will hunker down and try to get Suse 9.3 installed and working. But for now I'm really enjoying Ubuntu07:57
onurponingru, ok thx07:57
poningruonur: you have to07:57
poningruchoose at startup07:57
Amaranthnote: this is why you should choose your language right on startup :)07:57
vinuxGatton, really? Installation and upgrade issues?07:57
poningruturkish07:57
Gattonvinux, But I loved 9.207:57
onurGatton, I was using Suse 9.307:57
Amaranthonur: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales07:57
Amaranththen log out and back in07:57
onurAmaranth, instead of reboot ?07:58
poningruDr_Melectaus: add the backports mirror and then just install libdvdcss2 using your synaptic07:58
Amaranthonur: yeah07:58
Gattonvinux, yea. I had to turn ACPI off to get installation going. Then when it asked for the 2nd cd keyboard and mouse were not working. Again I think it has to do with my KVM maybe07:58
onurok07:58
poningruoh07:58
vinuxGatton, well ofcourse Suse runs slower then ubuntu and I like speed :)07:58
poningruyeah a logout will do07:58
poningruhehe07:58
Dr_Melectausponingru, sorry?07:58
onurGatton, and Suse 9.3 crashed my file system after a trial of XEN07:58
Amaranthonur: in the thing that comes up turn off en_US and turn on what you want (make sure you use the UTF-8 version)07:58
poningruDr_Melectaus: hold on let me see07:58
Gattonvinux, true. And I had some hotplug issues that caused bad slow down and stuttering at times07:58
poningru!backports07:59
ubotufrom memory, backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted07:59
onurAmaranth, on my way07:59
vinuxGatton, yes Suse doesn't have as good support as ubuntu07:59
Gattononur, ouch. I hate to hear that. And Xen is one of the main reasons I wanted to try 9.307:59
poningru!codecs07:59
ubotufrom memory, codecs is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats07:59
Dr_Melectausponingru, is the backports the unoficial repository list07:59
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Gattonvinux, I admit I was surprised by that. I really thought I was gonna have trouble with my external hard drive and usb key. Everything just worked07:59
AmaranthGatton: breezy is supposed to be getting some xen love07:59
vinuxGatton, :)07:59
thoreauputicponingru: IIRC libdvdcss2 is in hoary-extras07:59
vinuxAmaranth, xen? what's that?08:00
GattonAmaranth, That will be cool. I am looking forward to trying it08:00
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Amaranth!xen08:00
ubotuparse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Amaranth08:00
Amarantherr, damn08:00
iceman2k64 bit rocks08:00
vinuxlol08:00
vinuxiceman2k, really? Is it fast?08:00
Amaranthvinux: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/08:00
Dr_Melectausso poningru what do i do O_o08:00
iceman2kvinux beats my old p4 2.8 all to hell ..08:00
Dr_Melectausi have a p2.808:01
Dr_Melectausp4 2.8**08:01
poningruDr_Melectaus: ok go here08:01
poningruhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingMultimediaRepositories08:01
iceman2kthis is only a 2800 xp 64 system ..08:01
onurAmaranth, theres a quite a list here08:01
Gattonvinux, Here's some screenshots of Xen in action   http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/screenshots/index.html08:01
vinuxiceman2k, wow i'm getting a 64bit then well maybe in about 6 months08:01
Amaranthonur: aye, ubuntu supports a lot of languages08:01
onurAmaranth, many items are preselected starting with_en08:01
poningruand follow the instructions to add the backports repositories08:01
Amaranthonur: note: i've never done this before :)08:02
ricosuave17what is xen08:02
iceman2kvinux paid 200 for the barebone .. .cpu, case ... and mobo ...08:02
poningru!xen08:02
onurAmaranth, no what i mean there is en_AU and en_BW and so on08:02
ubotuponingru: Wish i knew08:02
iceman2ksoyo dragon gammer case08:02
Amaranthonur: Do you want english at all?08:02
poningruhttp://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/08:02
poningruiceman2k: did you get that?08:03
vinuxwow amazing08:03
MrGardenHoseManWhy does K3b freeze the system when erasing a cd, can't click on anything, can't even move the k3b windows08:03
poningruDr_Melectaus: you there?08:03
vinuxawsome08:03
MrGardenHoseManit erases the cd fine though08:03
onurAmaranth, I want to use my Turkish keyboard thats all08:03
Dr_Melectausyes08:03
iceman2kRunnung windows 64 right now .. ubuntu is the next install08:03
Amaranthonur: oh!08:03
Amaranthonur: Stop, don't listen to me!08:03
Dr_Melectausponingru, just going by your instructions just now bud08:03
poningruok08:03
onurAmaranth, so what ?08:03
poningrulet me know if you run into trouble08:03
Amaranthonur: get out of that, go to System->Preferences->Keyboard08:03
ricosuave17so xen will let me run windows on linux08:04
poningruAmaranth: that didnt work08:04
vinuxbrb guys08:04
iceman2kthis little AMD beats the heck out of my P4 ...08:04
onurAmaranth, I have already done that it didnt work, That was my problem08:04
poningruonur: so you dont want your entire system to be turkish?08:04
iceman2kand the actual mhz are 1000 less08:04
onurNO I want to use My Turkish keyboard in this English System THATS ALL08:04
poningruoh08:04
AmaranthDidn't work? Does it want more money? Does it sit on IRC all day? Please be more specific.08:04
iceman2kAmd clocks the mhz at 1800... and it spanks a p4 2.8 ...08:04
poningruonur then just right click on an input area08:05
hybrid_gothiceman2k: thats how it is with a p4 to a G508:05
poningruand select input method08:05
poningrunow there should be turkish in there somewhere08:05
onurAmaranth, currently In the preferences Layout it is selected as Turkish08:05
iceman2kBeen looking at a mac ... to play with ..08:05
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onurBut i cant type in Turkish08:06
vinuxhehe back on xfce408:06
Amaranthonur: turkish is highest in the list?08:06
onurponingru, there is not08:06
hybrid_gothiceman2k:  ubuntu is awesome on a mac08:06
Amaranthbeing marked default isn't enough08:06
Amaranthit needs to be first in the list08:06
onurAmaranth, Turkish is the only item in the list and selected as default08:06
iceman2kUbuntu is about the smoothest linux distro i ave seen ..08:06
vinuxiceman2k, same here it's amazing08:06
hybrid_gothiceman2k:  sooo flesible08:06
hybrid_goth**flexible08:07
iceman2kabsolutly ...08:07
hybrid_gothso flexible it is flesible08:07
onurponingru, what should i do now ?08:07
hybrid_gothlol :p08:07
iceman2kgot to see if it will resize my partition and install and play nice with the mbr ... with xp 64 bit08:07
poningruonur: hmm08:08
iceman2kOnly have the xp beta 64 bit ...08:08
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poningruonur: do you have the necessary fonts installed?08:08
crimsunit resizes ntfs in the installer, yes.08:08
iceman2kStill a free download ... and it's for sale ..08:08
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crimsunyou have to change the partition size in the screen, but all the hard work is done for you.08:09
iceman2kXp 64 bit free ... ;)08:09
bob2you mean "amd64", right?08:09
onurponingru, i still didnt reboot please note that. And i dont know where to check the fonts ?08:09
iceman2kyea08:09
bob2windows nt 4.0 ran on 64-bit machines in 1997 or so08:09
poningruonur: go to synaptic08:09
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iceman2kbob2 ? nt 4 ran on 64 bit , but did it use the full 64 bit ...08:09
poningrumake sure you have ttf-bitstream-vera08:10
Dr_Melectausponingru, ive finished what you instructed me to do08:10
poningruDr_Melectaus: now go into synaptic package manager08:10
Amaranthhaha08:10
Dr_Melectausok08:10
Amarantheverytime i try to choose turkish keyboard GNOME crashes back down to gdm08:10
Amaranthbreezy is so broken :D08:10
poningruand install libdvdcss208:10
bob2iceman2k: of course08:10
bob264-bit cpus are nothing special08:10
onurponingru, already installed08:11
bob2the only reason people think they are is because Alphas and Itanium never hit the mass-market like amd64 has08:11
iceman2kbob2 from what i understood... when the clawhammer and sledgehammer processors started in beta about 4 years ago, the only os that would work was linux ..08:11
AmaranthTo be fair, the Itanium sucked.08:11
Dr_Melectausok done that poningru08:11
AmaranthAnd now it's previous suckage will keep it out of the competition.08:11
bob2iceman2k: yes, there were many 64-bit cpus before AMD6408:11
poningruDr_Melectaus: you should be able to play dvds now08:11
Dr_Melectauscheers man08:12
onurponingru, and coming back to me ?08:12
poningrunp08:12
iceman2knext move will be 128 bit processors ... ;)08:12
bob2iceman2k: windows has only recently been able to run on AMD64, but it ran on Alpha many years ago08:12
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poningruonur: yeah08:12
poningrustill trying to figure it out08:12
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poningruiceman2k: unlikely08:12
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Computer__GuruHai, fsckers!08:13
poningruwell it wont happen on x8608:13
Amaranthbob2: 199608:13
Computer__Guruwhat wont?08:13
iceman2k128 bit08:13
onurponingru, does it matter if i give you my user name and pass so you connect through ssh ?08:13
poningruno08:13
poningrudo not do that08:13
bob2128-bit is more ram than anyone will be able to afford for a long time08:14
poningruonur: serious breach of security08:14
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iceman2kbob2 would have to agree ...08:14
poningruonur: try disagree08:14
poningruerr08:14
onuri know this is a bad idea but it is a freshly installed thing and if  cant solve this issue i will format the disk anyway08:14
poningrutry restarting the computer08:14
iceman2k only have 512 from the p4 in the AMD 64 right now... next move is a GIG of ram08:14
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poningruiceman2k: with the amd64 make sure you have powernow activated08:15
onurso risk of security is better than format. ok i am doing08:15
poningruor else its gonna run hotter than a tamale08:15
Computer__Gurui have 384 and rarely if ever hit swap08:15
poningruonur: true08:15
iceman2kABIT K8V Pro mobo ... Nice protection ...08:15
jambonhas anyone gotten enlightenment to work well for them?08:15
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iceman2kgod AMD 64 rocks ..08:16
dr_willisjambon,  not in the last 5+ years :P08:16
Saint-Franhey guys is ubuntu a good distro?08:16
Saint-Francoz im going to install it08:16
iceman2kabsolutle08:16
dr_willisSaint-Fran,  yes - its very well done.08:16
vinuxSaint-Fran, it owns!08:16
Saint-Franbut yah there are like 2394823424 ditros08:16
Saint-Franlol i have no clue08:16
Saint-Franwhich one to pick08:16
poningruSaint-Fran: this is not the place to ask08:16
bob2Saint-Fran: so try it and see08:16
poningrufor a unbiased review08:16
Saint-Franahhaaht ahts so true08:16
vinuxSaint-Fran, i've tried alot but ubuntu is the best!08:16
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Saint-Franyah i just finished dling the iso for ubuntu08:17
poningruwe all use it so we are all going to say ubuntu is good08:17
Saint-Fran:{08:17
jambonwatcha talkin about willis?08:17
Saint-Franerr :}08:17
iceman2kubuntu is smooth to install, awasom support here, and great hardware support08:17
jambonnot even tried dr17?08:17
poningrubut imho its the best out there for a person starting out with linux08:17
vinuxponingru, hehe yea true08:17
dr_willisyou do need some free unpartioned space for the installer i think. It wont resize an existing partition. (or has it started doing that?)08:17
sonoHey friends. Hello.  Does anybody know if the ubuntu AMD64 OpenOffice printing problem has been solved?08:17
Saint-Frani see cool08:17
poningruiceman2k: you do have powernow running right?08:17
Dr_Melectausponingru, are there any other DVD players ?08:17
Saint-Franbtw wahts powernow?08:18
Dr_Melectausother than totem08:18
jambonso anyone here ever fiddled with dr1?08:18
GattonSaint-Fran, I've used a lot of distros and I'm very happy with Ubuntu. Suse Pro is the only thing that comes close and that costs $90 US and this is free08:18
iceman2ksono ... still need to install ubuntu 64 bit .... thats a issue ...08:18
poningruhehe Dr_Melectaus totem sucks08:18
poningruuse vlc08:18
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Dr_Melectausponingru, i know :-\ its poo08:18
GattonBut don't Version me or anything cuz I'm on the mac while I install Kubuntu on the other machine ;)08:18
poningruDr_Melectaus: also did you activate dma?08:18
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Dr_Melectausuhm how do i do that poningru08:18
poningruubotu tell Dr_Melectaus about dma08:18
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poningruDr_Melectaus: did you get that?08:19
poningruit basically makes your dvd run better08:19
jambonwould anyone know what the following error means?08:19
jambon error while loading shared libraries: libtag.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory08:19
poningruerr dvd drive run better08:19
sonosorry iceman2k... cause 32 bit Openoffice works neat with cups right?08:19
Dr_Melectausyes poni, doesnt say how to activate it though08:19
poningruopen that link08:19
Dr_Melectausor is it at the link08:19
necrogamii wanna listen to a .pls shoutcast stream on ubuntu how would i go about doing that08:19
poningruhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com//DMA08:19
poningruyeah08:19
Saint-Franhey poningru.. u said something about activating something or else the amd64 will run hot08:20
Saint-Frani saw it right when i went in.. what were u talking about08:20
Dr_Melectauswhats VLC stand for? i cant apt-get vlc08:20
poningruSaint-Fran: powernow08:20
sonoAMD64 OpenOffice just does'nt works with cups.08:20
poningruDr_Melectaus: wxvlc08:20
thoreauputicnecrogami: nicest way to listen to shoutcast - install streamtuner08:20
GattonVLC is Video Lan. a vide player08:20
tnet03hai08:20
Saint-Franwhats powernow do? and whats that08:20
poningru!powernow08:20
ubotuparse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, poningru08:20
bob2sono: there's a bug report in Bugzilla?08:20
poningrugrr08:20
poningruSaint-Fran: here let me get you a good link08:21
Dr_Melectauslol08:21
bob2Saint-Fran: it slows your cpu down when you're not using it, to save battery08:21
GattonDr_Melactaus, try doing apt-cache search vlc and you should find the full name. Or search with Synaptic08:21
Saint-Frani see08:21
sonobtw vlc does not works from the ubuntu64 binaries right? It shoots a segmentation fault error.08:21
Saint-Franhow do i activate it?08:21
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GattonCurse this mac version of xchat. No nick completion? argh08:21
thoreauputicvlc is in the universe repository08:21
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onurponingru, i am back08:22
jambonEnlightenment anyone? having problems starting apps. Like eclair and engage08:22
vinuxhey windows uses DMA 5 on my other hard drive. Hmm wonder if I can use that on this one?08:22
necrogamithoreauputic: thanks installing now08:22
poningruSaint-Fran: just get powernowd from synaptic08:22
poningruand restart08:22
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onurponingru, at the begining of my login also theres a Turkish option in the language i selected it08:22
poningruonur: did it work?08:22
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poningruguessing no08:22
bob2Saint-Fran: it's setup by default on laptops08:23
onurponingru, and all the menus and so on become Turkish with correct Turkish chars08:23
thoreauputicnecrogami: in edit > prefs you can specify a player to use - default is xmms but I use beep-media-player here08:23
onurponingru, however still cant type in Turkish08:23
poningruonur: did you try the rightclick thing?08:23
thoreauputicnecrogami: if you want to rip streams with it install streamripper ( they work together)08:23
bob2Saint-Fran: please don't /msg me08:23
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onurponingru, no the menu names are in turkish but nothing related to turkish08:24
bob2Saint-Fran: please don't /msg me08:24
poningruhmm08:24
Saint-Franoh lol08:24
Saint-Fransorry08:24
onurponingru, also i realized that theres no apply in the keyb layout menu08:24
bob2Saint-Fran: if you have questions about ubuntu, come back once you have it installed08:24
onuri mean it is trange that you select a keyb layout then you "close" the dialog box08:24
poningruonur: have you tried both of the turkish keyboard layouts?08:24
poningruonur: thats how it works08:25
aruwhat language do they speak in malaysia?08:25
poningrumalay08:25
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[teh] bob2, how would i make a package of xchat with checkinstall that would overwrite the xchat that ubuntu manages?08:25
onurponingru, no the other is theorethically very different key placement than my keyboard08:25
craigaaHowzit all? Can someone help me with some recommendations wrt a small network? I have four workstations, all will be Ubuntu with one dual-booting to Windowze XP, and one server. The server will obviously have to run Samba to provide for the dual-boot workstation, but should I use Samba or NFS for the Linux-to-Linux file serving?08:25
poningruonur: ic08:25
onurponingru, it starts with F and mine is Q08:25
bob2[teh] : you wouldn't, that would be silly08:25
poningruright08:25
sonobob2, I am looking for those bug reports.08:25
necrogamiOMFG this stream is Pure Techno Destruction08:25
onurponingru, you are out of ideas it seems08:26
bob2[teh] : compile it to /usr/local/ or something08:26
poningruonur: yeah unfortunately08:26
necrogamihttp://69.135.193.239:8000/listen.pls if anyone wants to listen08:26
[teh] bob2, i want to do it that way....08:26
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thoreauputicnecrogami: did you install streamripper too ? It rocks :)08:26
bob2[teh] : good luck then08:26
[teh] i just want to know how ubuntu names its xchat package, so i can use that scheme to apply it to my 2.4.4 package08:26
necrogamiyep08:26
onurponingru, any last suggestions ? If not i will reinstall ubuntu once more and still cant cope it i have to leave it08:26
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poningruonur: let me try something else08:27
poningruwhat is the full name of your keyboard?08:27
necrogamiOMFG @ this stream tho08:27
onurponingru, my pleasure08:27
Xyc0Steve Keyboard08:27
onurponingru, brand name ?08:27
Xyc0thats his full name08:27
poningruonur: yah08:27
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poningruerr full brand name+model name08:27
onurponingru, this is a HP compax nx7010 laptop and the keyboard is integrated as you might guess08:28
poningruoh ic08:28
poningruhmm let me see08:28
onurponingru, also i know very well that Suse could type turkish very well on this comp08:28
iceman2kGod, most people i ask, said there was little difference in AMD 64 2800 and a P4 2.8 ... I disagree ...08:28
Dr_Melectausponingru, im at step 4 for makeing DMA load on startup. It says edit your hdparm.conf. i typed gedit /etc/hdparm.conf and it wont let me edit it08:28
Xyc0symantics08:28
Gattonnecrogami it must be awfully popular. stream keeps stalling for me08:29
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vinuxthoreauputic, hey what's the easy command to just rip a song i'm listening to with streamtuner? or is there an easy command hehe08:29
poningruDr_Melectaus: try gedit /etc/hdparm.conf08:29
onurponingru,  HP compaq nx7010 it should be -- correction to above08:29
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poningruonur: yeah I figured08:29
Dr_Melectausthats what i typed poningru08:29
ricosuave17any guides to customize gnome08:29
poningruDr_Melectaus: hold sorry08:29
thoreauputicvinux: if you have streamripper installed you just press the record button08:29
vinuxDr_Fate, do sudo before gedit08:29
poningruDr_Melectaus: try sudo gedit /etc/hdparm.conf08:29
Dr_Melectausok08:29
poningruand it will ask for password08:29
poningruvinux: can you help him out08:30
poningruI need to help onur08:30
vinuxponingru, sure what does he need?08:30
vinuxhdparm?08:30
vinuxDr_Melectaus, ok what drive is it? /dev/hdc or /dev/hdd?08:31
thoreauputicvinux: if you want to save bandwidth you can redirect the stream and monitor it from port 8000 - see man streamripper for the options08:31
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vinuxDr_Melectaus, is this for DVDs?08:31
vinuxthoreauputic, cool thanks08:31
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[teh] how do i add an icon to the kde menu?08:32
[teh] a shortcut rather08:32
Amaranth[teh] : kmenuedit or smeg08:32
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[teh] thanks08:33
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onurponingru, may be i could supply you a VNC connection , though you dont have the turkish keyboard, i doubt if it could be useful08:34
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onurso silent08:35
Dr_Melectausponingru, the dvd works08:35
Dr_Melectausbut theres no sound08:35
poningruwe are apt of borg - rpm is futile - you will be dpkg'ed08:35
Dr_Melectausroffle poningru08:36
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poningruonur: dont think that will help08:36
poningruDr_Melectaus: hmm08:36
poningruso the sound doesnt work?08:36
poningruonur: I am fresh out of ideas08:36
Dr_Melectausnot in the new program i downloaded08:36
onurponingru, you could play with my configuariton08:36
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onurponingru, any last suggestions that where should i take support ?08:37
Dr_Melectausbut sound works in totem, but the trackin is screwed in totem. it only thinks the disc is 37 seconds long08:37
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Dr_Melectaussound works08:37
onuror anyone in this channel ?08:37
poningruonur: I would say try putting it up in the08:37
Dr_Melectausjust not on this dvd08:37
poningruubuntu forums08:37
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onurponingru, i did already08:37
poningruoh08:37
onurponingru, it was my first stop08:37
poningruhmm this is annoying08:37
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poningruI would hate it if my keyboard didnt work08:38
thoreauputicDr_Melectaus: are you using totem-xine or the default ( totem-gstreamer) ?08:38
onurponingru, but my keyboard works, it is ubuntu unable to figure it out08:38
Dr_Melectausthoreauputic, is that some sort of sound codec ?08:38
thoreauputicDr_Melectaus: no - different backends /engines for totem08:39
robotgeekonur: sorry, i just got in...what kind of problem do u have?08:39
miguel_has anyone ever had a problem where everytime they logged out or rebooted, none of their desktop settings were saved, despite clicking the 'save settings' box on exit. is it a read/write issue08:39
Dr_Melectausim getting sound in totem, just it only thinks the dvd is 37 seconds long08:39
thoreauputicDr_Melectaus: i suggest you install totem-xine - gstreamer still has issues08:39
Dr_Melectausthe backend engine-  im not sure08:39
poningruthoreauputic: he is using vlc right now08:39
onurrobotgeek, thank you, Now in my HP compaq nx7010 laptop i have a Turkish keyboard i want to use but i cant08:39
Dr_Melectausok, do i just apt-get  it thoreauputic ?08:39
thoreauputicDr_Melectaus: just try it08:39
thoreauputicponingru: I thought he was complaining about totem ? *grin*08:40
poningruDr_Melectaus: have you tried synaptic package manager?08:40
onurrobotgeek, and it is already set in preferences keyboard layout as default  I mean Turkish keyboard , as the only option08:40
thoreauputicDr_Melectaus: sudo apt-get install totem-xine08:40
Dr_Melectausaye ive done it :)08:40
thoreauputick08:40
Dr_Melectausim getting it now poningru08:40
poningruok cool08:41
Dr_Melectausthor: will this solve the sound issue in VLC ?08:41
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ricosuave17whats a good p2p program besides amule08:41
thoreauputicDr_Melectaus: no08:41
thoreauputic:)08:41
Dr_Melectausok08:41
Dr_Melectauslol08:41
robotgeekonur: i have no experience with foreign keyboards...but try playind with the xmodmap program08:41
onurrobotgeek, and furthermore even the login language Turkish works well, still cant type in Turkish no matter what i do. This is my problem08:41
sonoOk guys (bob2), OpenOffice printing does not work in Hoary64, as we can officially read @ bug 866308:41
Sammiricosuave17: Try Limewire.08:41
thoreauputicDr_Melectaus: do you have w32codecs installed?08:41
bob2awesome08:41
robotgeekonur: ahh...internationalization, no experince at all..sorry!!08:42
Dr_Melectausi believe so thoreauputic08:42
thoreauputicok08:42
onurrobotgeek, no problem thanks for trying08:42
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sonoI am currently downloading the massive 213 MB of OpenOffice source to recompile... but... I am thinking it twice...08:42
dr_willisi just use abiword08:43
ricosuave17is it in apt-get ?08:43
dr_willis:P08:43
onurrobotgeek, anyone could help me in this channel ?08:43
sonoit is a major package... how could it have a so terrible fault08:43
sonoI did use abiword dr_willis... in fact I vote for it08:43
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sonobut...08:43
robotgeekonur: do have this language-env package installed, it says it's a configuration tool...you might wanna try it out08:43
ricosuave17limewire is not in apt-get is it?08:44
robotgeekonur: you best bet would be to show up again later. people do live in different parts of the world08:44
robotgeekricosuave17: nope08:44
onurtheres no such package08:44
sonowe must confess to ourselves we end up needing some openoffice for the compatibility with people inside the Matrix (tm) (solely using Microlust products)08:44
robotgeek!repositories08:44
ubotuwell, repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto, or repos08:44
Dr_Fatevinux, depends08:44
onurrobotgeek,  guide me08:45
jasoncohenricosuave17, http://ubuntuguide.org/#limewire08:45
robotgeekonur: go thru that guide, and add the repositories as directed08:45
onurrobotgeek,  on my way08:45
ricosuave17i added already all the reposterias i knew off08:45
ricosuave17even some weird ones08:45
robotgeekricosuave17: go to the limewire site and install08:45
ricosuave17ok08:45
vinuxDr_Fate, are you talking about the DMA thingy?08:46
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jasoncohenricosuave17, well, you shouldn't have anything but ubuntu repositories, backports and extras. marillat and other unofficial sources for debian can trash your ubuntu install08:46
Dr_Melectausthoreauputic, i got the w32codecs08:47
poningruDr_Melectaus: whats the matter it still not playing the sound?08:48
Dr_Melectausnope08:48
Dr_Melectausnot even in totem any more08:48
poningruhmm wierd08:48
Dr_Melectaus:(08:48
poningrucan you play other sounds?08:48
Dr_Melectausyea08:49
Dr_Melectausmp3's. radio08:49
Dr_Melectausthey all work08:49
Dr_Melectaus.ogg08:49
poningruhmm08:49
jasoncohenDr_Melectaus, what's not playing sound?08:50
poningruhis dvd08:50
Dr_Melectausjasoncohen, totem movie player. and vlc08:50
poningruDr_Melectaus: try to play an .ogg in vlc08:50
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robotgeektry vlc, that was the only thing which worked for me!08:50
poningruyeah08:51
Dr_Melectausok poningru08:51
Lokihey quick question for any of ya lol08:51
jasoncohenDr_Melectaus, nothing plays sound in totem or just videos? what about an mp3?08:51
LokiHow do i mount a hard drive. Friend is getting kinda upset and about to blow his lid lol08:51
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jasoncohenare you using totem-xine or totem-gstreamer?08:51
jasoncohenw32codecs works with the xine engine08:51
LokiHe has a external he is trying to install the ubuntu distro to08:51
ricosuave17well ill risk it i like to have lots of programs08:52
robotgeekLoki: try mount /dev/sda1 <mount point>08:52
Dr_Melectausjasoncohen, no sound with a .ogg08:52
poningruLoki: so he wants to install ubuntu to his externel hard drive?08:52
Dr_Melectausim useing totem-xine08:52
Lokiyes08:52
ricosuave17limewire is loading for like 3 hours now08:52
Dr_Melectausi have the w32codecs08:52
Dr_Melectausand i have xine08:52
Lokimount point being? the drive letter08:52
poningruLoki: I would say thats a bad idea but its doable08:52
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LokiLOL i know he should do it on his internal hard drive.08:52
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robotgeekLoki: sorry, i misunderstood...i think your process might involve doing an expert install, and loading the usb and scsi modules...not sure08:52
Lokibut *shrugs*08:53
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poningruLoki: what robotgeek said08:53
Dr_Melectausjasoncohen, i have xine, and w32codecs08:53
LokiAh.08:53
thoreauputicDr_Melectaus: hmm - could be good old esd getting in the way as usual - can xmms or beep-media-player play sounds (ogg, mp3) ?08:53
poningruLoki: what kind of external hard drive is it?08:53
_icebreaker_how can i test if hardware rendering is enabeld?08:53
LokiMaxtor08:53
LokiOneTouch208:54
poningruLoki: like usb, firewire, or scsi?08:54
Dr_Melectausyes thoreauputic08:54
ricosuave17cool limewire is the first windows program to look exactly the same in linux finally08:54
LokiUSB08:54
poningruhmm08:54
EdLinricosuave17, that's because it's a Java swing app08:54
jasoncohenricosuave17, what about firefox, gaim, thunderbird etc08:54
robotgeeki have a nice usb external08:54
thoreauputicDr_Melectaus: just as an experiment, try " killall esd" then run totem again (you never know)08:54
jasoncohenthey look pretty much the same in windows08:54
Lokihaha. I need to get one08:54
thoreauputicjust guessing here...08:54
LokiBut also what essentially what happens is we can install linux just fine.08:55
LokiBut when we go to load it nothing happens.08:55
LokiHe gets this error08:55
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Loki1 sec lol. sorry.08:55
poningruDr_Melectaus: here lets just try this: logout and log back in08:55
ricosuave17nop those look horrible in linux08:55
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Dr_MelectausAhhh!! works for totem thoreauputic08:55
robotgeekLoki: that's mostly because the usb modules need to be loaded, and that's only loaded after i boots!08:55
Lokioh08:56
_icebreaker_how can i test if graphic acceleration is enabeld08:56
onurrobotgeek,  installed the lanaguage-env08:56
poningruricosuave17: firefox looks the same everywhere08:56
Lokipivot_root: No such file or directory08:56
Loki/sbin/init: 428: cannot open dev/console: No such file08:56
LokiKernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!08:56
Lokiis the error he is getting08:56
onurrobotgeek, no improvments still08:56
ilba7ris there a way to customize the display icons in gnome for specific file type say .lyx08:56
robotgeekricosuave17: my firefox is more functional in linux than windows...i have it maximised without borders...08:56
poningruLoki: here try this08:56
ricosuave17how. i use opera08:56
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robotgeekonur: you might also want to try to post on the ubutu forums, where your question is gonna stay.08:57
onurrobotgeek, already done08:57
robotgeekonur: also try back here later...sorry, i dunno anything about this!08:57
thoreauputic_Dr_Melectaus: looks like the dreaded esd struck again (sorry I was disconnected by ISP )08:57
onurrobotgeek, also i noticed a small bug with the Turkish font of Ubuntu, ok thx anyway08:57
Dr_Melectausno probs thoreauputic cheers mate08:58
poningruLoki: try this08:58
poningruhttp://linux.simple.be/tools/sbm08:58
LokiWill do08:58
thoreauputic_Dr_Melectaus: working now?08:58
Dr_Melectausyes in totem :)08:58
thoreauputic_aha!08:58
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robotgeekLoki: i have an external usb enclosure, and use a normal ide drive in there...works well. it's a 80 gig hdd for less than 50$08:58
poningruonur: try back when its evening in turkey08:59
Dr_Melectausthanks thoreauputic, poningru and jasoncohen08:59
poningrunp08:59
thoreauputic_Dr_Melectaus: you're welcome :)08:59
Lokiwow. heh he went out and bout a 2 gig external hard drive. so.... lol08:59
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LokiBut 1 prop poni08:59
Lokihe doesn't have a floppy drive08:59
ricosuave17limewire is nice anyother one?08:59
poningruwtf08:59
LokiLOL08:59
robotgeekneither do i have one!08:59
poningruwait yeah modern laptops make sense09:00
Lokiyes09:00
poningruno I dont have one either but I just for some reason thought that you were all using desktops09:00
robotgeeksorry, i meant "i don't have one either"09:00
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Lokiheh i am using a desktop09:00
Lokihe's using a laptop09:00
ricosuave17there is one problem tho when i switch from one window to another limewire takes a while to load09:00
poningruLoki: I would tell him to install ubuntu in his internal hardrive09:01
robotgeekLoki: yeah, me too09:01
robotgeekLoki: though, it's an interesting challenge!09:01
poningruhehe yeah09:01
LokiHAHA09:01
Loki4 days X_X we have been at it lol09:01
Lokimeep *kicks his IRC client*09:02
robotgeekthough, i think you would need to enable USB boot support in the bios..otherwise, might not be possible09:02
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zythIs there a way I can remove my NTFS partiton and merge the space into my Linux partition w/o erasing all my data?09:02
Lokiubuntu is apparently on his internal hard drive09:03
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keikozzyth i dont think09:04
LokiCeneskie says:09:04
Lokiall i want to know is how to edit line 429 of /sbin/init from the Ubuntu shell09:04
Lokilol... If that means anything?09:04
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keikoz(w/o erasing your data i mean)09:04
ricosuave17i was just talking to a dude and u know what he said about linux the gui looks sick09:04
poningruzyth: yes09:04
poningruqtparted09:05
zythponingru, how?09:05
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zythqtparted..? and it'll do it nondestructively?09:05
poningruyes09:05
poningruwell like all software it has been known to fail09:05
poningrubut it work09:05
poningruand I have used it09:05
robotgeek:)09:05
poningruworked for me everytime09:05
poningruno data loss here09:06
robotgeekricosuave17: it's just a matter of opinion...windows gui sucks when compared to OS X09:06
poningruzyth: you can get it from synaptic09:06
ricosuave17not really i do think linux gui is sick it needs intensive care09:06
Lokiokay robotgeek :P got one more question muahaha09:06
LokiKDE! lol gnome *shudders*09:06
poningruricosuave17: how many linux desktops have you tried?09:07
benplauti have nightmares about the GUI of WindowMaker09:07
robotgeekricosuave17: my gnome desktop looks very nice, thank u very much!09:07
thoreauputicricosuave17: no such thing as "a linux GUI" really -it depends entirely which DE or WM is in use09:07
ricosuave17may i see a screenie09:07
ricosuave17well i haven found an DE or WM thats nice09:07
LokiBut robot my question is this how do you all i want to know is how to edit line 429 of /sbin/init from the Ubuntu shell09:07
YcrosI'm happy with ion.... :)~09:07
poningruLoki: sudo gedit /sbin/init09:08
robotgeekactually a openbox + gnome combination09:08
poningruor09:08
poningruLoki: sudo emacs /sbin/init09:08
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LokiTy sir09:08
ricosuave17any screnies?09:08
robotgeeksudo vi /sbin/init!!09:09
poningruemacs09:09
thoreauputicponingru: erm - run "file /sbin/init " - it is a binary : not editable I'm afraid09:09
poningruthoreauputic: he asked how to edit it09:09
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poningrudidnt know it was a bing09:09
poningrulet the flame wars begin09:09
poningruEMACS!!!!!!09:09
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Lokilol09:09
thoreauputicponingru: you can't, at least not directly09:09
poningruoneoneone09:09
onurponingru, i solved the problem09:10
poningruright09:10
poningruonur: how09:10
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robotgeekricosuave17: http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/7617/desktop0kc.png09:10
mabuWhy is inkscape 0.40 in repository if the newest version is 0.42?09:10
robotgeekonur: nice, how?09:10
onurponingru, i dont know exactly but i removed all the keyboards from layout and then added Turkish Q (at the top hierarchy previously i have set Turkish Alt Q)09:11
thoreauputicmabu: because hoary only has security updates and bugfixes09:11
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onur09:11
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ricosuave17robotgeek: i need u to help me with one big thing i like from ur screenie09:12
rgranholmanyone in here, i hvae some questions09:12
mabuok but how can I get Inkscape 0.42 from repository? Is there any other repo?09:12
robotgeekricosuave17: like what?09:12
bob2mabu: because hoary froze 6 months ago?09:12
LokiThe grammar X_X my eyes BURN!09:12
thoreauputicmabu: possibly in backports - I don't know09:12
ricosuave17the bottom text menus that say applications and stuff09:12
Lokihey roboto sudo doesn't work09:12
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robotgeekricosuave17: do u need to get that?09:13
onurrobotgeek,  and poningru the problem is Turkish Alt-Q is not working i should have selected Turkish Q which is at the top. Since when i select Turkish Alt Q in the keyboard picture i cant see any letters09:13
rgranholmi cant seem to get the program kdx to start...09:13
ricosuave17yes plz09:13
rgranholmcan anyone help09:13
onurwhat the heck Turkish Alt - Q is then , heh anyway thx09:13
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mabuWhen I had Fedora there where updates of programs too. And I had stable version.09:14
rgranholmi cant execute the .lexe program09:14
bob2mabu: sure, that's fedora09:14
bob2mabu: you're welcome to run the development version of ubuntu, too09:14
robotgeekRight Click -> Add to Panel -> Gnome Panel Bar or something similiar09:14
bob2it's pretty broken, tho09:14
mabuThe only thing I don't like in Fedora is lack of AmaroK09:14
rgranholmhello? can someone help me please!09:14
bob2rgranholm: you need to ask your question in a more useful way09:14
rgranholmhmm09:15
rgranholmok09:15
rgranholmunderstood09:15
ricosuave17yay it showed up thanks09:15
robotgeekRight Click -> Add to Panel -> Menu Bar09:15
bob2rgranholm: a) briefly explain what kdx is, b) tell us what you've changed since it last worked, c) paste the error to #flood09:15
onurponingru, There's a font bug of Ubuntu about Turkish keyboard however. I mean this is not about configuration but Ubuntu is printing a letter slightly wrong09:15
ricosuave17domo arigato mr roboto09:15
Lokilol09:16
onurshould i report it to somewhere ?09:16
ricosuave17btw i love that song mr roboto09:16
rgranholmi dont know what #flood is, but kdx is a community based peer to peer program, it has never worked..i am brand new to linux, and when i try and paste into xchat, it doesnt let me! but i will type it09:16
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sonooh dudes... oh dudes... I mean, compiling for AMD64 all those massive openoffice sources doesn't make sense... only to make the app look lush with the gtk-gnome package and to achieve printing...09:16
mebaran151ooh fun09:16
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mebaran151the installer kernel panics09:16
onuri tried the bugzilla but i don't have an account besides i dunno if i should write a formal report09:16
mebaran151nice .......09:16
rgranholmok i got the paste to work09:17
onurrobotgeek, ?09:17
LokiOkay how do i get line 429 of /sbin/init from the hard drive and not from the CD itself?09:17
ricosuave17mr roboto one more question09:17
thoreauputicrgranholm: #flood is a channel for pasting output - /join #flood to see09:17
Lokiwhen i go into the shell it says that the hard disk file systems are mount ed on /target09:17
Lokihow do i get over to /target and edit that fil09:18
Lokie*09:18
cafuegoLoki: $EDITOR /target/sbin/init09:18
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robotgeekricosuave17: so, you changed ur mind about linux gui's sucking? :)09:18
cafuegoExcept it's a binary, of course.09:18
ricosuave17mr roboto only cause im listening to mr roboto by stx09:18
Lokity09:18
mebaran151bob2, you were right09:18
learn25Hi all.09:18
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bob2mebaran151: ?09:18
cafuegoLoki: So don't edit it.09:18
LokiOh09:19
mebaran151Breezy definitely is not ready09:19
bob2yes09:19
learn25is there a programming tool in linux? Like visual basic in windows?09:19
mebaran151installer kernel paniced09:19
mebaran151funnnnn09:19
vladuz976anybody know a good wallpaper site?09:19
cafuegomebaran151: Did you think the topic was a joke?09:19
dr_willislearn25,  several variations - depends on what language ya want to use.09:19
mebaran151learn25: gcc and Kdevelop09:19
bob2mebaran151: don't forget to file a bug09:19
psychonatevladuz976, I like deviant art.09:19
mebaran151cafuego: I thought it meant there is a bug09:19
ricosuave17mr roboto it still sucks it just doesnt suck that much09:19
mebaran151I cant09:19
learn25is kdevelop GUI based?09:19
cafuegomebaran151: No, there are MANY.09:19
onurponingru, ?09:19
mebaran151well I can ... grumble grumble09:19
psychonatevladuz976, http://www.deviantart.com/09:19
bob2mebaran151: why?09:19
robotgeekricosuave17: it altteast looks better than my windows machine09:20
mebaran151I just realized09:20
rgranholmok bob2 i did what you said...pasted my output.... i think i might just not know how to execute the file09:20
mebaran151I was going to say I dont have internet because I was thinking my linux box was friend09:20
mebaran151fried09:20
dr_willisricosuave17,  you do realze tht the reason limewire looks the same under Linux and windows - is due to it being a Java program? :P09:20
robotgeekvladuz976:  http://www.xanthic.net/09:20
mebaran151until I realized that I could just do it from here09:20
vladuz976psychonate: they look good thanks09:20
mebaran151I am thinking of trying a BSD09:20
ricosuave17mr roboto what i need is to know how to u do that thing with the open windows that is only like one bar has arrows09:20
LokiHe said nothing pulled09:20
vladuz976robotgeek: wow what is that09:21
rgranholmanyone still with me, does anyone here use KDX??09:21
robotgeekricosuave17: please refer to me as robotgeek !09:21
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robotgeekvladuz976: which one?09:21
mebaran151rgranholm: what is KDX09:21
ricosuave17robotgeek: sorry mr roboto09:21
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thoreauputicrgranholm: patience please09:21
vladuz976robotgeek: xanthic09:21
bob2rgranholm: .lexe? what on earth is that?09:21
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robotgeekvladuz976: some wallpaper site i found long time ago!09:22
Madpilotblasted power outages - I was on the way to set a personal uptime record, too... :(09:22
mrd`Argh, ssh x11 forwarding suddenly broke on me... anyone familiar enough with xauth to explain what went wrong?  (I'm looking for documentation and nothing's being useful to fix it.)09:22
mebaran151Madpilot: heheheh09:22
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bob2mrd`: breezy?09:22
mebaran151mrd`: maybe it got disonnected09:22
vladuz976robotgeek: looks like a forum to me09:22
rgranholmmebaran: http://www.haxial.com/products/kdx/ >>>>KDX is like a swiss army knife for internet and intranet communications. KDX is a powerful multi-OS "BBS"-style (Bulletin Board System) encrypted internet communications system that provides voice chat (Internet Telephone), text chat, messaging, news, file and folder transfer, remote access, trackers and more. It uses strong encryption to protect your communications for security09:22
rgranholm and privacy. It is very useful for groups that need to collaborate on a project via the Internet. It is also very useful for remote administration of a computer. KDX uses a client/server architecture (NOT peer-to-peer).09:22
mebaran151TCP/IP can be kind of shaky09:22
robotgeekricosuave17: try enlightenment09:22
ThunderguyAnyone ever had experience with Lexmark z22/z32 in Ubuntu?09:23
zythwhy won't gparted let me resize my ext2 partiton?09:23
mrd`bob2: On my machine yes, but I haven't updated anything between it working and not.09:23
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mrd`mebaran151: No.09:23
ricosuave17robotgeek: later on can i get that part working plz09:23
aruzyth: to get to the other side?09:23
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bob2mrd`: and on the other machine?09:23
mrd`bob2: The other's hoary.09:23
robotgeekvladuz976: there are some neat wallpapers there..09:23
dr_willisThunderguy,  ive thrown several of those away :P09:23
bob2rgranholm: so, what on earth is a .lexe file?  it's certainly not a linux executable.09:23
mrd`bob2: Literally, I logged in via ssh, DISPLAY was set and everything worked fine.  I logged out, and logged back in, and it's no longer set.09:23
bob2rgranholm: you are sure you downloaded the linu version of this, right?09:23
robotgeekthough deviantart is the most extensive09:24
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bob2mrd`: ssh -X?09:24
ThunderguyWell Its a good printer, if you refill the cartridges yourself.09:24
mrd`bob2: Doesn't help.09:24
rgranholmKDX Client for GNU/Linux/x86  correct, that version09:24
robotgeekricosuave17: which part?09:24
ThunderguyI just can't seem to get it working in Linux.09:24
dr_willisThunderguy,  Hmm.. ones i saw were about a $25 printer. :P09:24
ricosuave17like were u see the windows that are currently open09:24
bob2rgranholm: well, you'll have to talk to the authors, I guess09:24
mrd`bob2: I have another machine I can login to and still export a display successfully on.09:24
dr_willisThunderguy,  check the cups.org site to see how well supported it is09:25
mrd`bob2: (Also hoary.)09:25
bob2ricosuave17: you could really improve your chances of being helped by not using "words" like "plz", and by asking coherent questions to the whole channel.09:25
rgranholmbob2 well thats strange cause i try and search it up on google and it seems everyone else has it working but i assume thats cause they know how linux works but if you guys dont know what a .lexe is then i have no clue whats going on09:25
bob2mrd`: is xauth in your $PATH on both machines?09:25
mrd`bob2: Yes.09:25
ricosuave17ok well robotgeek did u get it>09:25
bob2mrd`: nothing obvious if you crank it up to -vvv?09:25
thoreauputicrgranholm:  #kde perhaps?09:25
mrd`bob2: Nope, it displays the exact same messages for both regarding requesting X11 forwarding.09:26
robotgeekricosuave17: get what?09:26
bob2mrd`: hrm, dunno then, sorry09:26
LokiQuestion again09:26
mrd`bob2: :/ Thanks anyways.09:26
Lokimy friend is saying his hard drive is mounted to /target09:26
Lokihe is wondering how he gets over to that09:26
rgranholmthor: ok well i am not exactly sure what you mean by that, i am computer savvy and learning linux and its distrubutions, but i believe knoppiz uses kde and i tried it on there too...explain a little more about what you mean by kde though??09:26
thoreauputicrgranholm: I'm assuming the Ks imply it's a KDE app ...09:26
bob2Loki: what is your "friend" trying to do?09:27
dr_williscd /target09:27
dr_willisthen the stuff is there :P09:27
LokiGet ubuntu to work LOL09:27
thoreauputicrgranholm: KDE is a desktop environment like gnome09:27
mebaran151what is a good non panicing distro for AMD6409:27
robotgeekbob2: they are attempting to install ubuntu on an external usb hdd09:27
mebaran151other than gentoo, which ate WAY too much of my time09:27
bob2Loki: and in what way does the installer not work?09:27
rgranholmthor: i dont think so because the program was first designed for windows, having nothing to do with KDE, right ok, i thought so09:27
bob2lordy09:27
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thoreauputicrgranholm: ah I see09:27
LokiWe can get everythign set up but the boot loader won't boot linux it will boot winblows just fine09:28
Thunderguyauctually I remember something now, I just installed the .tgz file for Redhat onto Ubuntu it seemed to install ok with Alien, but I have no clue how to access the driver after that.09:28
bob2mebaran151: if hoary gives you panics, even with noapic, nolapic and/or acpi=off, please file a bug09:28
robotgeekLoki: did u check the boot from usb in this bios??09:28
Lokihe didn't say lemme ask him 1 sec09:28
ricosuave17robotgeek: im gonna re upload ur pic showing u what i mean09:28
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thoreauputicrgranholm: well as bob2 says, you need to get info from the authors or a forum for the app09:28
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cafuegowtf! Something just spun down and turned off. But WHAT??09:29
robotgeekricosuave17: what do you need from my screenshot?09:29
aruyou would think with as much as people express their hate for Windows, they would know how to spell it09:29
robotgeeklol09:29
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rgranholmthor: think you can download the program real quick and give it a test run, maybe there is something simple ia m not doing...hmm yeah i cant find a forum on them but i will try09:29
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LokiHah I know how to spell "windows" I just have a dislike for them.09:29
vinuxFreeBSD sucks09:29
thoreauputicrgranholm: I'm on dialup here :)09:29
mebaran151bob2: it panics saying that the initrd isnt big enough09:29
aruvinux: offtopic09:30
mebaran151it tries to access outside the space alotted09:30
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vinuxaru, yea sorry but will deserved statement :)09:30
mebaran151vinux: it seems ok09:30
robotgeek"no bsd is dead" in #ubuntu09:30
rgranholmthor:bummer09:30
bob2mebaran151: when using hoary?09:30
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aruvinux: go to college and study English09:30
mebaran151matters09:30
cafuegoIs there an Ubuntu Hurd yet?09:30
mrd`No.09:30
mebaran151Hoary randomly locks up09:30
Lokihey bob2 can i get ya to come over to #flood in a minute09:30
knowledge_ok, since I ran out of ideas...would a restart solve me "  Depends: libxft2 (=2.1.2-6ubuntu1) but 2.1.7-1 is to be installed09:30
knowledge_ Depends: libfontconfig1-dev but it is not going to be installed" problem?09:30
Lokinvm09:30
mebaran151while it installs09:30
mebaran151I got it on09:31
keikozcafuego : i doubt09:31
bob2cafuego: someone actually wants to do it09:31
Lokithis is how he has his bios set up...09:31
mebaran151and it ant assign a device to my soundcard09:31
keikozah09:31
bob2knowledge_: reinstall, I already told you09:31
cafuegobob2: arrrgh09:31
keikoz:o)09:31
mebaran151it just refuses too09:31
LokiUSB Storage Device09:31
LokiInternal HDD09:31
LokiCD/DVD/CD-RW Drive09:31
LokiCardbus NIC09:31
LokiOnboard NIC09:31
mebaran151I know it aint my hardware09:31
bob2knowledge_: you screwed it up by using non-ubuntu apt sources09:31
mebaran151it took 5 days of gentoo compiling in stried09:31
robotgeekLoki: paste to #flood09:31
thoreauputicrgranholm: sounds like you are just making some simple error trying to install the thing - but since no-one here has ever heard of it, you're out of luck it seems09:31
knowledge_bob2, I'm looking for a way around that....I want to use that as my last resort09:31
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ricosuave17robotgeek: http://img27.imageshack.us/my.php?image=desktop0kc13bm.png09:31
rgranholmtho: i suppose so....frustrating09:31
bob2knowledge_: use apt-show-versions to remove all the non-ubuntu packages you installed09:31
thoreauputicrgranholm: perhaps there's another program with similar functionality?09:32
robotgeekricosuave17: what do u need from my desktop?09:32
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vinuxaru, so are you not smart enough to understand me?09:32
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knowledge_bob2, same as reinstalling09:32
Lokidone robotgeek09:32
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ricosuave17looky at the pic09:32
_icebreaker_how can i test if graphic hardware acceleration is enabled09:32
keikozrun tuxracer :o)09:32
keikozor enemy territory09:32
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_icebreaker_;(09:32
robotgeekricosuave17: okay? but what abt the arrow? i don't get it...can u just explain it to me?09:33
bob2knowledge_: no, it's not09:33
bob2knowledge_: and it's what you actually have to do09:33
ricosuave17ok ill try09:33
rgranholmthor: not really, its incredible, you should check it out, I log into my local computer at home in NY i am in PA and control the desktop with its very own GUI, in live time, works great among a million other uses, with barely any setup09:33
bob2in future, just don't break apt to begin with09:33
robotgeekLoki: does it work?09:33
thoreauputicrgranholm: bash: ./KDXClient.lexe: Permission denied   << have you made it executable?09:33
yahalomhey guys i need help. i'm on dsl now cos my ubuntu cant connect to the net properly. i can ping google and yahoo. i get valid dns entries. i cant update or surf the web or use irssi. weird thing is when i do apt-get update it tries to connect to 1.0.0.0 and irssi also. any ideas? thanx.09:33
ricosuave17like how do u make it so that the windows that appear down there pile up one on top of each other instead of side by side like they normally r09:33
Lokiwhat work?09:34
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Lokilol sorry am a bit tired.09:34
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Lokiubuntu? no09:34
thoreauputicrgranholm: sudo chmod +x KDXClient.lexe  << try that09:34
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robotgeekLoki: i understand...maybe some coffee would help!09:34
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Lokilol09:34
Lokipepsi :P09:34
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Dr_Melectausdoes anyone know how to get shared network files to appear on a windows machine ? i have it working the other way around, but want  some of my ubuntu file to appear as well09:34
robotgeekricosuave17: i just have one window per desktop, so i don't really do anything09:35
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arpanhi, i am running Ubuntu on my PC and my friend is doing the same on his laptop. He has d'loaded loads of repositories on his laptop, and I wanted to copy his repositories on to my Ubuntu09:35
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arpanis it possible?09:35
vinuxaru, yea very few people know english well. It's funny, the ones who do seem alittle out of place lol. You know using big words and all that nobody understands haha09:35
esac_currently just setup dircproxy09:35
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ricosuave17then what r the arrows for?09:35
yahalomanybody?09:35
Dr_Melectausive been in system>admin>shared folders09:35
arpanI hope it is clear what I want to do09:35
robotgeekarpan: apt-zip & apt-move09:35
thoreauputicrgranholm: also if that doesn't help google freenx and nxclient09:35
esac_Dr_Melectaus: Samba09:35
LokiBut what he needs to know is how to get over to /target where his hard drive is mounted09:35
thoreauputicrgranholm: and nomachine NX09:36
arpanrobotgeek, can u please elaborate what u r saying?09:36
Dr_Melectausesac_, care to explain a little bit more please :)09:36
yahalomthoreauputic, any idea what this 1.0.0.0 is?09:36
Dr_Melectausesac_, i have samba installed09:36
arpani am kinda nwe to ubuntu09:36
Dr_Melectausbut how do i get the files to appear on the dows machine09:36
rgranholmthor: well it didnt give me an error but it didnt do anything and what are those programs you suggested?09:36
thoreauputicyahalom: I haven't been following , sorry09:36
ricosuave17well it would be nice to be able to pile the windows up that way09:36
robotgeekarpan: as far as i know, those two program have that functionality...u might have to read the man page.09:36
yahalomhey guys i need help. i'm on dsl now cos my ubuntu cant connect to the net properly. i can ping google and yahoo. i get valid dns entries. i cant update or surf the web or use irssi. weird thing is when i do apt-get update it tries to connect to 1.0.0.0 and irssi also. any ideas? thanx.09:36
JayParadisehow can i make cron run a script every 9999 seconds?09:36
thoreauputicrgranholm: if it gave no error, try running it again09:37
robotgeekricosuave17: i dont pile up windows!09:37
esac_Dr_Melectaus: im using kubuntu, in KDE control center there is samba configuration for how to share files with windows machines, hardcore way is to edit /etc/samba/smb.conf09:37
JayParadise99999*09:37
JayParadise\09:37
yahalomthoreauptic see above plz09:37
ricosuave17well i do like at the status bar level09:37
thoreauputicrgranholm: that should have made it executable09:37
rgranholmwoah! got it09:37
knowledge_bob2, libfontconfig1 is my problem (I think) and when I'm trying to remove that, it's trying to remove at least 100 other packages, including gnome09:37
bob2knowledge_: of course, you can't just remove it09:37
Lokihey bob209:37
bob2knowledge_: you need to install the proper version09:37
thoreauputicrgranholm: running?09:37
bob2knowledge_: sudo apt-get install libfontconfig1=1.2.3ubuntu109:37
rgranholmthor: i dont know if it was that command or what...but i just dragged the .lexe file INTO the terminal, hit return and it launched...beautiful!09:38
psychonateLoki, are you the Loki of SN?09:38
bob2hi Loki09:38
thoreauputicrgranholm: it was that command, yes09:38
necrogami!find wxpython09:38
ubotuwxpython2.5.3: (wxWidgets Cross-platform C++ GUI toolkit (wxPython common files)), section universe/python, is optional. Version: 2.5.3.2ubuntu4 (hoary), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 152 kB09:38
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Lokihow do i get over to the hard drive that is mounted in /target?09:38
necrogamigah i need 2.609:38
rgranholmthor: awesome, what did that command do?09:38
thoreauputicrgranholm: to run a script you make it executable with chmod +x09:38
zenroxLoki,  in a terminal cd /target09:38
bob2Loki: "get over to" is highly unclear09:39
zenroxor put /target in to open location in nautilus09:39
LokiAh my apologies09:39
Iceman-AMD64Boy worries me, shrinking the partition to install ubuntu ... ? any advice ...09:39
robotgeekLoki: there are a lot more ppl now, explain ur problem!! in detail!09:39
bob2Iceman-AMD64: do you have backups?09:39
thoreauputicrgranholm: this is one reason it's hard to make viruse etc for linux - they won't "just run"09:39
LokiWill do09:39
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zenroxbob2,  ill guess at the unclear ones09:39
rgranholmthor: weird how its a script, is there anyway i can add it to the launcher panel now, or do i have to type it everytime?09:39
Iceman-AMD64bob2 clean install ... so not a worry ... just would have to spend the time to reinstall Windows xp 64 bit ...09:40
bob2yes, we can all guess at what Loki means, but that doesn't really solve the problem09:40
Iceman-AMD64looking at installing UBUNTU 6409:40
rgranholmthor: yeah, thats awesome, built in security...same goes for unix on mac09:40
zenroxtrue09:40
Lokilol!09:40
thoreauputicrgranholm: if the script runs the program, just make a launcher and type in the path to the script09:40
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rgranholmthor: how do i make a launcher?09:40
Iceman-AMD64Is the UBUNTU installer fairly streight foward on the partitioning09:41
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bob2Iceman-AMD64: yes09:41
Iceman-AMD64bob2 ... back later .. lets see how it goes09:41
aruIceman-AMD64: you have much linux experience?09:41
thoreauputicrgranholm: *grin* try right-click on panel, add custom launcher or similar09:41
Iceman-AMD64Have unstalled it at least 10 times on its own harddrive ...09:41
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thoreauputicrgranholm: I'm using a different window manager so that's from memory09:42
Iceman-AMD64so this is my first duel boot install in several years09:42
knowledge_bob2, so i just have to find out what the exact version is that I need correct?09:42
rgranholmthor: nice, that was basic...i am still learning this GUI, and obviously the unix/linux commands in general09:42
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aruIceman-AMD64: then you shouldn't have a problem, maybe for someone straight out of windows 98 it might be difficult09:43
robotgeekwould anyone know if a firewire to usb convertor is independant of the OS , and would it work in linux?09:43
epitronhrm.. if i build and install a program myself, is there a way to make an empty placeholder package so that dependencies can be satisfied?09:43
aruIceman-AMD64: if anything just quit before writing the table :)09:43
thoreauputicrgranholm: BTW - if you want me to notice your posts type thore <tab> to complete my nick09:43
epitronor do i have to build it then make it into a .deb?09:43
Iceman-AMD64robotgeek ... what boot manager should i use ./09:43
rgranholmthoreauputic, example09:43
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rgranholmthoreauputic, that work?09:43
thoreauputicrgranholm: like that09:43
thoreauputicyup09:43
rgranholmthoreauputic, very cool09:43
gm78I hate samba :-P09:43
robotgeekgrub?09:43
bob2knowledge_: that's a start09:43
thoreauputicsame as bash in a terminal09:44
robotgeeki dunno, i've only used yaboot!09:44
Iceman-AMD64ok ... back in latter ... hopefule in linux09:44
Iceman-AMD64thanks09:44
aruthoreauputic: thanks for saying that, I was about to ask if he had a tab key :)09:44
aruthoreauputic: I kept scrolling up to see who thor was09:44
thoreauputicrgranholm: you can tab in the terminal as well for completion09:44
rgranholmi'm a newb, i admit it09:44
rgranholmthoreauputic, yeah i knew about that09:44
robotgeekeven in xchat :)09:44
thoreauputicrgranholm:  http://tuxfiles.org09:44
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knowledge_when I try to do "apt-get install libfontconfig1" it says newest is already installed...is there anyway to force it?09:45
rgranholmthoreauputic,  whats that? man this dinky old machine running this GUI is almost faster at doing simple tasks then my g5 imac09:45
aru:)09:46
robotgeekrgranholm: welcome to linux!09:46
psychonateI wish tab would work when looking up man pages though :(09:46
LokiOkay seeing as how he is going to reinstall ubuntu in expert mode. What is the fastest way to do that? Also i don't think i mentioned he has a Pentium M and if there is a different distro for that or not. But any help would be appreciated once again09:46
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thoreauputicrgranholm: the tuxfiles URL is a good starting point for learning basic commands etc09:46
psychonateyou can't use tab to complete the name in 'man whatever'09:46
robotgeekpsychonate: what do u mean?09:46
robotgeekpsychonate: oh okay...09:47
thoreauputicpsychonate: you can if you enable completion in /etc/bash.bashrc09:47
robotgeekLoki: did u already not install ubuntu on that external drive?09:47
psychonatefor instance, 'man xscreens'; tab won't complete "xscreensaver"09:47
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rgranholmthoreauputic, gotcha, thanks...alright now ia m gonna see if the KDX server will work with the same command, what was it again?09:47
robotgeekpsychonate: i have my tabs case insensistive...very helpful!09:47
psychonatethoreauputic, are you sure? I already have tab completion. It just doesn't work in that case.09:48
LokiWe did but trying again09:48
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aruI'm a jackass, I never new tab did anything in the console09:48
psychonateI've always wondered why they did set that up09:48
mrd`bob2: Just in case you're interested, I rebooted the server that I couldn't get tunnel X11 from... and now it suddenly works.  (Especially odd since I'd restarted the networking and ssh scripts each several times to no avail.)09:48
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psychonates/did/didn't09:48
thoreauputicpsychonate: it will if you look at that file and enable it there - man xscreen <tab> works here09:48
robotgeekLoki: alrite, cool...have fun...and "and may the source be with you"09:48
psychonatethoreauputic, ah, I see. How is enabled by default then?09:49
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Lokithanks guys =-) enjoy your night.09:49
robotgeekthoreauputic: doesn't work for me, lemme vi my .bashrc open!09:49
psychonatethoreauputic, I mean, how, otherwise, do I have it enabled?09:49
bob2mrd`: very odd09:49
thoreauputicpsychonate: in /etc/bash.bashrc uncomment the block under # enable bash completion in interactive shells09:49
psychonateyeah, I gotcha09:50
mrd`bob2: Indeed... but, anyways it's working now... thanks for at least reassuring me earlier that I wasn't insane and missing something obvious. :)09:50
thoreauputicpsychonate: of course it will only work with a new login or if you source it directly09:50
psychonateI was just curious as to how it can/is enabled apart from that.09:50
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psychonatethoreauputic, anyway, it works well now. Thanks :)09:51
robotgeekthoreauputic: it works well, thanks09:51
thoreauputicpsychonate: :) you're welcome09:52
thoreauputicworks with sudo as well, you'll find09:52
psychonateah, excellent09:52
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robotgeekthoreauputic: while i was at it, also enabled color prompt09:52
psychonateI wish it had been enabled that way by default, but at least this way I learned something I guess :)09:52
AMCDeathKnightHow can i refresh the desktop? as it has frozen09:53
thoreauputicrobotgeek: I like plain black and white ;)09:53
zenroxAMCDeathKnight, alt + ctrl +backspace09:53
learn25is kylix compatible with ubuntu?09:53
robotgeekthoreauputic: no harm in trying out colors, though i found the man autocomplete a bit slow, and distracting!09:53
zenroxthat was quick09:53
bob2er09:53
bob2that's a pretty bad solution09:53
bob2"pkill nautilus" is far less destructive09:54
robotgeeklol09:54
thoreauputicrobotgeek: yes, it isn't always instant09:54
ricosuave17pkill sound funny09:54
psychonateI was just happy to see that it works09:54
psychonateThat had sort of bugged me for a while.09:54
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AMCDeathKnightwtf09:54
rgranholmthoreauputic, do i have to type chmod +x everytime now or only once?09:54
robotgeeklol, AMCDeathKnight09:54
AMCDeathKnightomg09:54
AMCDeathKnightmy computer is stuffed09:54
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AMCDeathKnightnothing will load anymore09:55
AMCDeathKnightand i lost my download09:55
thoreauputicrgranholm: you don't have to do it again - it's executable now09:55
bob2try to use commas and full stops as punctuation, rather than new lines09:55
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Dr_Melectausdoes anyone know how to get shared network files to appear on a windows machine ? i have it working the other way around, but want  some of my ubuntu files to appear as well. i have samba installed on the ubuntu machine. And on the dows machine im at the Add Network place wizard on the "internet or network address" page. Ive put in \\192.168.0.151\home but its not haveing any luck, and ive also tried every other shared folder ive got09:55
arubob2: :)09:55
robotgeekComputer__Guru: hi09:55
rgranholmthoreauputic, even if i restart?09:55
thoreauputicrgranholm: chmod changes the mode or permissions09:55
Computer__GuruHai!09:55
thoreauputicrgranholm: even after that yes09:55
AMCDeathKnightwhat did that do? delete everything?09:55
thoreauputicrgranholm: the change is permanent09:56
Dr_Melectausi also tried the windows shareing options in the shared folders menu, with the wins server settings. but nothing made a difference09:56
robotgeekAMCDeathKnight: that restarted your Xserver09:56
AMCDeathKnighti lost all my files!09:56
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thoreauputicrgranholm:  man chmod  ;)09:59
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bob2if you lost files, your disk is screwed09:59
AMCDeathKnighti cant even right click my desktop anymore09:59
AMCDeathKnightor open home folder09:59
psychonatealright, time to watch Gwar Live from Antarctica and got to sleep09:59
HoaniHello09:59
knowledge_I really think I'm screwed09:59
knowledge_and I never thought I would say that09:59
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Dr_Melectausplease someone?09:59
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bob2asking once is plenty09:59
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_icebreaker_someone tried to run wow with winex/cedega?10:00
knowledge_Computer__Guru, may I msg you for a question?10:00
rgranholmthoreauputic, thanks for all your help...take it easy10:00
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vinuxoh nooo bob2 left! What will we do now? He seems like he knows everything. Really it seems like he does10:01
thoreauputicrgranholm: you're welcome - enjoy :)10:01
robotgeekvinux: he pretty much does!10:01
knowledge_vinux, believe me...there are a lot of people in here taht know what to say10:01
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vinuxknowledge_, yes i'm sure some people have alot of knowledge_10:02
knowledge_true10:02
aruvinux: are you having a bad day?10:02
vinuxhehe10:02
knowledge_I sure as hell am10:02
knowledge_I think I'm going to have to reinstall because of one package10:03
aruneat10:03
knowledge_oh yeah10:03
esac_isnt 255.255.255.0 a 24 bit netmask ?10:03
Madpilotknowledge_: that seems like overkill...10:03
vinuxknowledge_, wow what's up?10:03
knowledge_that's what bob2 was saying10:03
ricosuave17YAY overkill10:03
gm78Could someone please help me with Samba? I am setting up a CentOS server which is going to have a Ubuntu desktop, a Windows 2000 desktop and a Windows XP Desktop connect to it. Here is my /etc/samba/smbpasswd file http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/835  Here is my /etc/samba/smbusers file  http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/836  And here is my /etc/samba/smb.conf file  http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/837  Whenever I try to connect to the server from either W10:03
gm78indows or Ubuntu, it asks for a user name and password. When I enter in the proper information, it asks for it again, not allowing me to connect. Can anyone here see a problem with these files, i looked and i cannot10:04
aru!samba10:04
uboturumour has it, samba is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba10:04
aruWOOT!10:04
ricosuave17what is samba10:04
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=== ricosuave17 dances to samba from brasil
aruricosuave17: check that link10:04
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knowledge_hhmmmm10:04
ricosuave17i like smaba10:04
knowledge_let's tryyy10:04
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arugm78: you too10:04
gm78ubotu, would help if the instructions actually worked10:04
aruand also10:04
ubotugm78: I give up, what is it?10:04
knowledge_!libfontconfig10:04
ubotuI haven't a clue, knowledge_10:04
knowledge_damn10:04
knowledge_!fontconfig10:05
knowledge_?10:05
ubotuI don't know, knowledge_10:05
knowledge_of course not10:05
ricosuave17hey ubotu10:05
gm78aru, yeah, i really do hate samba right now...bloody thing wont work at all10:05
Madpilotknowledge_: what are you looking for?10:05
aruwhat is you problem package?10:05
ricosuave17hey ubotu r u ok10:06
Madpilotubotu good bot10:06
ubotu:)10:06
aruknowledge_ that is10:06
ricosuave17ubotu: talk to me damn it10:06
ubotuBugger all, i dunno, ricosuave1710:06
ricosuave17ubotu: i love you bot10:06
uboturicosuave17: I give up, what is it?10:06
knowledge_Madpilot, I'm trying to figure out how to revert to the original fontconfig and libfontconfig that came with ubuntu originally10:06
aruricosuave17: careful10:06
gm78I followed all of the instructions, am using the same options as on a Ubuntu server serving the exact same services, and the stupid thing won't work10:06
aruwhy did you change it? :)10:06
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knowledge_didn't even know I did araw110:06
ricosuave17am i abusing the bot?10:06
gm78aru, second server....i want this one to have a longer lifespan than 18 months10:06
knowledge_aru, **10:06
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ricosuave17ubotu: lets run away together10:06
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uboturicosuave17: Bugger all, i dunno10:06
Madpilotknowledge_: ah - and of course Linux is design to helpfully save your config/conf files when you change things - ouch...10:06
DekaPinkHuh...10:07
ZincXwhich one is the best mp3 player10:07
ZincX?10:07
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aruZincX: beep10:07
MadpilotZincX: totem - or Muine, for albums10:07
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knowledge_Madpilot, is that a good thing?10:07
ZincXMaddy, my totem doesnt play mp310:07
Madpilotknowledge_: normally it would be, but if something breaks it seems like it's hard to get the defaults back...10:08
aru!mp310:08
ubotu[mp3]  read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support10:08
knowledge_I see10:08
ZincXMadpilot, my totem doesnt play mp310:08
aruZincX: check that out10:08
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gm78ZincX, install gstreamer0.8-mad10:08
gm78ZincX, this will allow rhythmbox and totem to play mp3's10:08
knowledge_yeah, because when I'm trying to remove the package that's installed now...it wants to remove EVERY other package too10:08
aruknowledge_: you didn't tell me why you changed those :)10:08
ZincXgm78, oiks..10:08
aruZincX: if you check the link ubotu pasted you wont have to come back and ask for dvd support tomorrow :)10:09
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ricosuave17ubotu: lets run away together10:09
uboturicosuave17: Are you smoking crack?10:09
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knowledge_aru, I didn't even know I changed them...I just did what ubuntuguide told me (I know I know)....for the repositories...and well...I'm kicking myself now10:10
drayenFeeling a little dumb this morning - trying to get firefox to work with my jdk, but cant find the javaplugin_oji.so???10:10
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ricosuave17ubotu: yes r u10:10
uboturicosuave17: Wish i knew10:10
aruand then on monday when the Al Franken show is streamed in Real Audio, you won't have to scramble to get that working either :)10:10
ricosuave17ubotu: lol10:10
uboturicosuave17: Are you smoking crack?10:10
nooormbonsoir10:10
thoreauputicricosuave17: stop please10:10
Madpilotricosuave17: you can abuse the bot in /msg if you really must...10:10
aruricosuave17: you better be careful10:10
nooormje suis saoul et je me cherche une fille10:11
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thoreauputicricosuave17: next time we'll call ops - OK ?10:11
arunooorm: english?10:11
Madpilot!fr10:11
nooormsure10:11
ubotufr is probably http://fr.ubuntuguide.org/ "Merci" to fr.ubuntuguide.org ; join #ubuntu-es or #kubuntu-es10:11
aruor that10:11
aru:)10:11
ricosuave17why cant i enjoy my friend the boy10:11
ricosuave17why cant i enjoy my friend the bot10:11
Madpilotnooorm: see ubutu's line for info in french10:11
nooormi won't play around tonite, I want women10:11
persiaAnybody feel like troubleshooting jack with polypaudio today?10:11
thoreauputicricosuave17:  /msg ubotu sillystuff10:11
aruoh awesome10:11
rkinderpersia: sounds like jack needs to see a doctor...10:11
viyyerhi I am setting up dialup internet connection on warty machine10:11
nooormcome and get m e10:11
knowledge_aru, any ideas?10:13
nooormI want women now10:13
aruknowledge_: reinstall :)10:13
gm78You know....if Windows Services for Unix didn't suck so much and never work...i would consider switching to NFS10:13
knowledge_aru, you too huh?10:13
viyyerI'm using pppdconfig10:13
aruOH!10:13
AMCDeathKnightwhat would you say is the difference between ubuntu and debian?10:13
nooormI don't fell like playing around, I want women tonite10:13
aruand as for that guide... don't bother with it next time :)10:13
rkindernooorm: probably the wrong channel to pick up women...10:13
knowledge_aru, figured that out all on my own10:13
nooormplease bear with me rkinder10:13
aru:)10:13
viyyereven though pppd gets started . ppp0 interface is not up10:13
Madpilot!uguide10:13
ubotuMadpilot: I don't know, could you explain it?10:13
Madpilot!ubuntuguide10:13
ubotuubuntuguide is, like, a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.10:13
aruknowledge_: you'll be an expert at installing soon :)10:13
knowledge_aru, I masterd that with Mandrake10:13
nooormHi ru10:13
nooormHi Aru10:13
arunope10:13
arudon't even start with me10:14
knowledge_lol10:14
nooormok ...10:14
aruI'm off to bed and you are not invited10:14
nooormno problem10:14
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nooormI'll get elsewhere10:14
Iceman_AMD64Humm, no sound in linux10:14
persiaIceman_AMD64: What card / what program?10:15
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Iceman_AMD64opps, prejudged, need to config it ...10:15
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Iceman_AMD64Now to install KDE10:16
Iceman_AMD64whats the package name for K-Desktop10:16
Xyc0Does anyone else here find that Nautilus' moving of the file browser gets annoying as hell?10:16
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Xyc0pretty sure its kde10:17
Iceman_AMD64kdesktop, anything else needed10:17
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thoreauputicIceman_AMD64: kubuntu-desktop10:17
AndieBHow do I install Java? I find a some Java and Java2 Common packages, but I only get an error message when trying i the Program meny go to Settings and Javacontrolpanel cannot be fount?? (I'm a newbie)10:17
Iceman_AMD64kdesktop... installes KDE ...10:21
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thoreauputic!java10:21
ubotuextra, extra, read all about it, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.10:21
Iceman_AMD64What the session manager ... o will it automatic install10:21
ricosuave17ubotu: opme10:21
ubotuWish i knew, ricosuave1710:21
ricosuave17ubotu: !opme10:21
ubotuI haven't a clue, ricosuave1710:21
hepihhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii10:21
ricosuave17!opme10:21
thoreauputicricosuave17: last warning10:21
hepihhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhtttttttttttttttttiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii10:21
vinuxhhhhheeelllllllllooooo10:21
Iceman_AMD64brb i hope in kde ...10:21
hepijhjuyu10:21
Xyc0How do you get Nautilus to stop moving the browser window all over the screen?10:21
Madpilotricosuave17: "/msg ubotu <whatever> if you *have* to keep poking the bot...10:21
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knowledge_libfontconfig1-dev:10:21
knowledge_  Depends: libfontconfig1 (=2.2.3-4ubuntu7) but 2.3.2-1 is to be installed10:21
thoreauputicricosuave17: don't /msg me10:21
knowledge_can some one decypher that?10:21
hepihhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii10:21
ricosuave17then how do i talk to u?10:21
stjepanheya10:21
stjepanI have a problem10:21
ricosuave17i do 210:21
stjepanI can't install Ubuntu 5.0410:21
Xyc0talk right here10:21
Xyc0no?10:21
ricosuave17ye10:21
knowledge_stjepan, what's the problem10:21
stjepanthere appears error at installing base10:21
vinuxknowledge_, it means you are in trouble!10:21
Xyc0where did you get your CD?10:21
knowledge_vinux, I've established that10:21
stjepanit says I have to burn cd at lower speed10:21
Xyc0? thats odd10:21
knowledge_stjepan, I had the same problems....I just ordered the free cd's and it installed just fine10:21
stjepanCD worked 15 days10:21
vinuxknowledge_, oh sorry I didn't know "giggles" :)10:21
Xyc0what speed are the disks?10:21
stjepanI mean10:21
stjepanCD worked about 15 days10:21
stjepanbut now it won't10:21
stjepan:(10:21
Xyc0knowledge_: they havnt been shipping lately10:21
Xyc0Is it a live cd?10:21
knowledge_really?10:21
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stjepanno10:21
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knowledge_I had 5 sent to me10:21
stjepanInstall CD10:21
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Xyc0knowledge_: I ordered more cause I gave away all mine, its been a month since then10:21
vinuxknowledge_, I had ten and I handed out 310:21
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Xyc0knowledge_: I think they are waiting for breezy10:21
vinuxso far10:21
knowledge_Xyc0, yeah, it took me a while10:21
stjepanmaybe damaged CD???????10:21
Xyc0I go to lan parties an preach10:22
Iceman_AMD64ok, how to set up the session manager to get kde working ..10:22
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Xyc0stjepan: what speed are your CD-Rs?10:22
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knowledge_this damn problem is killing me10:22
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stjepanXyc0: It is not problem with speed10:22
Xyc0Iceman_AMD64: System > Admin > Login10:23
knowledge_I refuse to believe that reinstalling is my only solution10:23
stjepanbecause CD worked half a month ago10:23
Iceman_AMD64xyc0 no option for kde ... and i did aptitude inatall kdesktop10:23
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stjepanand I have installed Ubuntu few times with exactly that CD10:23
thoreauputicIceman_AMD64:  aptitude install kubuntu-desktop10:23
vinuxknowledge_, well belief doesn't solve all problems :)10:23
stjepanbut now I can't10:23
KatrusEve, all.10:23
Iceman_AMD64t y10:23
thoreauputicIceman_AMD64: as I told you a while ago...10:24
knowledge_vinux, yeah, neither does google....or anything else I've tried10:24
Xyc0Iceman_AMD64: Ive never tried to isntall KDE from ubuntu, i just know that is where you turn on the session mngr10:24
robotgeekit's actually abt 3:00 am in the morning, and i am on my last beer!10:24
Iceman_AMD64thought it used to be kdesktop ...10:24
yahalomcan nobody help me my internet connection issue?10:24
Xyc0kubuntu10:24
Xyc0the kubuntu packages install kds10:24
Xyc0kde10:24
vinuxknowledge_, hmmm well I wish you luck. Take care i'm off to bed10:24
stjepanoh10:24
knowledge_later mann10:24
knowledge_have a good night10:24
Iceman_AMD64got to see ho well 64 bit linux wirks10:24
vinuxyou too10:24
Xyc0knowledge_: I missed your problem, wanna recap for me?10:26
stjepancan I install KDE for Ubuntu from Kubuntu CD?10:26
KatrusStupid newb question here - just installed and upgraded kubuntu. Is there a package I can install to get it so recognize n' mount my ntfs partitions read only?10:26
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tikkatikka@smeg:~$ glxinfo | grep render10:26
tikkaXlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".10:26
tikkahelp :D10:26
Xyc0Katrus: it is read only, but yes10:26
knowledge_Xyc0, libfontconfig1-dev:  Depends: libfontconfig1 (=2.2.3-4ubuntu7) but 2.3.2-1 is to be installed10:26
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Iceman_AMD64anyone have the link to the nvidia drivers install procedure10:26
Xyc0tikka: ubuntu uses xorg??10:26
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KatrusI only need read only. I just wanna be able to play the MP3s and watch the movies on that partition.10:26
ricosuave17YES IT DOES10:26
Xyc0knowledge_: are you trying to compile?10:26
ricosuave17now STFU10:26
knowledge_yeap10:26
robotgeekKatrus: u don't really need a package10:26
robotgeekricosuave17: language10:26
Xyc0knowledge_: what are you compiling, it could be a dep hell10:26
ricosuave17i am sorry mr roboto10:26
exhua question about kernel patches: should I apply all patches (including 2.6.11.x ) to upgrade kernel from 2.6.1 to 2.6.1310:26
knowledge_Xyc0, it is10:26
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Xyc0exhu: why?10:26
vladuz976are there any advantages using aptitude over apt-get10:27
Xyc0knowledge_: then reinstalling wont do anything10:27
robotgeekokay, mr ricosuave17 you are quite irritating. congrats...u've made my ignore list!10:27
Iceman_AMD64Anyone know if their clustering linux on the AMD 64 yet ...10:27
knowledge_Xyc0, that's the only package that's giving me problems...if I could install the older version, I would be good10:27
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tikkaXyc0 yes seems to :)10:27
poningruok what happend?10:27
Xyc0vladuz976: if you arn't having problems with apt-get, stick with it10:27
poningrurobotgeek: what happedn?10:27
knowledge_Xyc0, my problem started when I used the "ubuntuguide"10:27
besfredwhere can i find the hoary-extras archive?10:27
Xyc0nice10:27
vladuz976Xyc0,  i am just wondering what the differnce is10:27
Iceman_AMD64brb .. see if kde is available10:28
Xyc0besfred: open synaptic and edit repositories10:28
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robotgeekponingru: just find him a bit too irritating and pushy10:28
KatrusLast time I used Linux, it was 1.2.13 kernel. Things have changed a tiny bit10:28
Xyc0knowledge_: well, you can always replace your repo list with the one you backed up10:28
besfredXyc0: i know. i just need the url10:28
poningruhehe10:28
mebaran151I got Hoary to go on10:28
Xyc0besfred: its already on the list, you just have to activate it thru synaptic10:28
mebaran151but I am having the same problem I did before10:28
besfreda10:28
mebaran151I can not get udev to make /dev/dsp10:29
mebaran151and I KNOW I have all the right modules10:29
mebaran151and that the ALSA modules with OSS are loaded10:29
knowledge_Xyc0, yes, but the fontconfig package that's installed along with the libfontconfig package are not the ones that came with ubuntu...and that's what is killing everything for me10:29
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KatrusI shall futz with things. Later, all10:29
Razor-Xthe power of Linux -- it aggravates my dad so much, he may just buy me my own laptop10:30
Xyc0well, if you replace the repo list then add the official backports and activate all the repos, you can reinstall10:30
yanghello10:30
Xyc0knowledge_:10:30
Razor-Xnow that's power for ya ;)10:30
robotgeekRazor-X: hi10:30
Razor-Xrobotgeek: hey10:30
mebaran151argh, I hate ALSA problems10:30
mebaran151they never resolve10:30
Xyc0Razor-X: w00t thats what I did10:30
Razor-Xmebaran151: yeah10:30
robotgeekmebaran151: me too!10:30
snivitz0What is the proper terminal command to view ip information?10:30
MadpilotRazor-X: laptop now? thought it was going to be a desktop?10:30
Razor-Xit's one of the sticking points of Linux in general10:30
yangis there any Ubuntu Application CD, such that you don't have to download the package from the repository server?10:30
mebaran151robotgeek: I got the craziest one this time10:31
mebaran151the modules10:31
Razor-XMadpilot: nopes, a laptop10:31
mebaran151sthe correct modules10:31
robotgeekhalf the ppl around me think i am stupid for having linux installed on a powerbook10:31
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Razor-Xnothing special, but, better than having to live with my dad's rules10:31
mebaran151the modules noted for their completeness in the ALSA docs10:31
besfredhm. nothing there taking about hoary-extras.10:31
Iceman_AMD64well... dang it ... no optionfor kde in the sessions list10:31
mebaran151they load, but udev does not make /dev/dsp10:31
mebaran151so I can not have sound10:31
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mebaran151it is a Via Envy 24PT10:31
mebaran151a nice chip10:31
Xyc0mebaran151: install libsdl1.2debian-all10:31
mebaran151very nie for onboard snd10:31
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robotgeekmebaran151: crap!! i dunno anything abt that.10:31
mebaran151Xyc0: I dont have /dev/dsp10:32
Xyc0mebaran151: that might help10:32
mebaran151I have modules10:32
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Iceman_AMD64how the heck to get kde to offer itself in the sessions lise10:32
mebaran151but I dont /dev/dsp10:32
knowledge_Xyc0, The following packages have unmet dependencies:10:32
knowledge_  libfontconfig1: Depends: fontconfig but it is not going to be installed10:32
knowledge_E: Broken packages10:32
Iceman_AMD64list10:32
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mebaran151Xyc0: how10:32
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mebaran151I can not get asic mixer support10:32
Xyc0synaptic10:32
mebaran151basic10:33
mebaran151no10:33
mebaran151I mean how can it help10:33
mebaran151alsa refuses to load10:33
mebaran151because amixer is passed /dev/dsp to attach to10:33
Iceman_AMD64What do i need to do to get kde to come up in the sessions list ...10:33
Xyc0mebaran151: maybe another driver will10:33
Iceman_AMD64did aptitude install kubuntu-desktop10:33
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Xyc0mebaran151: im not a pro dev, i just know that helped some sound driver problems10:34
mebaran151Xyc0: I've loaded every module in snd10:34
mebaran151and gentoo uses the module fine10:34
Xyc0libsdl1.2debian-all ?10:34
mebaran151i will try it10:34
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mebaran151after I reinstall10:34
Razor-Xmebaran151: what about /dev/dsp?10:34
Xyc0knowledge_: use synaptic to fix broken packages10:34
Xyc0I think its funny, everyone who is helping originally joined the room to get help and found none he he10:35
tikkaAny suggestions guys? ati radeon, ive been following guides and the like and not getting anywhere.  Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".10:36
robotgeekXyc0: it's saturday night/ or sunday morning10:36
Xyc0How do you get nautilus to stop moving the file browser all over the screen every folder you open?10:36
knowledge_Xyc0, yeah, that's why I think i'm just gonna go sleep...cause I'll get pissed and smash my computer in the floor...10:36
knowledge_good night all....10:36
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Xyc0tikka: Ubunt uses xorg, not XFree10:36
robotgeekknowledge_: nite10:36
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tikkaXyc0, does that mean theres a different DRI package?10:37
Xyc0What guide are you using?10:37
yahalomhey guys. my video is always choppy. any ideas? rma is on.10:37
jbm_Xyc0: use gconf-editor, set the key /apps/nautilus/preferences/always_use_browser10:37
Razor-XXyc0: you can use XFree, though10:37
Xyc0yahalom: did you install vid card drivers?10:37
tikkaXyc0, i have been through quite a few and done alot by ear.10:38
Razor-Xtikka: we don't use XFree86 by default10:38
Razor-Xand, X.Org is better as well10:38
robotgeekRazor-X: i just use rox, when i have to..rarely10:38
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exhuXyc0, oh are the x.y.Z,o contain all .o versions for x.y.Z-1 ?10:38
tikkaRazor-X, i ahve x-org.. so im confused here lol10:38
tikkahave10:38
Razor-Xmy old machine only works with X-Vesa10:38
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Razor-Xit's a 486 though10:38
tikkamy 486 was sexy10:38
tikkared hat ran like crap on it though10:39
tikka;p10:39
Razor-Xmy 486 is still strumming10:39
Xyc0jbm_: hey thanks guy10:39
tikkanice10:39
linlin/home/linlin/Desktop/avidemux/avidemux-2.0.42/admin/missing: line 65: aclocal-1.8: command not found10:39
linlinWARNING: `aclocal-1.8' is needed, and you do not seem to have it handy on your system10:39
tikkawhat is it being used for10:39
Iceman_AMD64well see it the synaptic package manager will install kde ..10:39
Razor-Xtikka: that's because RH isn't meant for a 48610:39
linlinwhat do i do?? :_X10:39
Xyc0kubuntu?10:39
Razor-XIceman_AMD64: aptitude, synaptic, and apt-get use the same packages10:39
tikkaRazor-X: *shruggs*10:39
linlini checked synaptic for the package, its nowhere to be seen10:39
thoreauputic!find aclocal-1.810:40
Iceman_AMD64razor-x did aptitude install kubuntu-desktop ... but it would not offer kde in the sessions list ...10:40
robotgeekthough we should all use aptitude :)10:40
ubotuUbuntu Search of 'aclocal-1.8' (1 shown): (/usr/bin/aclocal-1.8) in devel/automake1.8.10:40
Razor-XIceman_AMD64: can't you edit your gdm to add it?10:40
Razor-XI mean, is that too hard people? XD10:40
yahalomXyc0,  hey man its acting like its missing drivers. no idea where to get them. it has no agp. its built in video.10:40
Iceman_AMD64;-( newbie here10:41
Xyc0tikka: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto?highlight=%28binary%2910:41
thoreauputiclinlin: sudo apt-get install automake1.8 build-essential10:41
Xyc0yahalom: did you personally install drivers for your videocard?10:41
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linlinapt-getting'10:42
yahalomXyc0, nope. i thought that linux usually finds the right ones.10:42
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Xyc0yahalom: what videocard are you using?10:42
linlinyay that fixed it :)10:42
yahalomXyc0, no idea10:42
Razor-Xtry Applications->System Tools->GDM Configurator10:42
yahalomXyc0, its built in on the motherboard10:42
linlini had build-essential already, thought that was all i needed10:42
linlinthanks aot10:42
thoreauputic:)10:42
Iceman_AMD64Dang AMD 64 is way faster than my p4 2.8 ghz ... and it only clocks at 1800 mhz10:43
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Xyc0yahalom: its usualy nice to know what hardware you are working with10:43
Razor-Xhmmm, if my laptop is an AMD 64, can I use 32 bit Ubuntu, with an amd-64 kernel?10:43
Razor-Xor do the ELF binaries have to be different?10:44
yahalomXyc0, i know.10:44
ricosuave17i love u Razor-X10:44
Razor-Xricosuave17: mmmmm?10:44
highvoltagehi. I'm trying to boot a breezy ltsp-client machine, but get an error "NFS over TCP not available from 192.168.0.254" on the client. any idea what the cause of the problem can be?10:44
linlindo you love me?10:44
Xyc0Razor-X: lucky bitch, my desktop isnt even 64 bit10:44
ricosuave17do u like HIM10:44
Xyc0pardon my french10:44
Razor-XXyc0: hahahaha!10:44
Razor-Xso what?10:45
Razor-Xthis thing has 32 MB GPU memory10:45
mebaran151Razor-X: heheh10:45
Razor-X256 MB RAM10:45
thoreauputichighvoltage: do you have an NFS server on the server ?10:45
Xyc0tho my laptop is one step below 6410:45
Razor-XI've been living in the dark ages for so long, and now you people envy me? hah!10:45
Xyc0hyperthreading10:45
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highvoltagethoreauputic: yes10:45
yahalomXyc0, Motherboard M863g v1.510:45
mebaran151the kernel can process both elf's10:45
ricosuave17i hate HT10:45
ricosuave17die HT10:45
highvoltagethoreauputic: and it's running10:45
mebaran151both 32 bit and 64 bit10:45
thoreauputichighvoltage: OK10:45
ricosuave17ban plz10:45
Iceman_AMD64Razor-x i'd guess you would need the full 64 bit ... not just the kernel ...10:45
mebaran151the problem is 32 bit exec's need 32 bit libs and 32 bit objects to link against10:45
thoreauputichighvoltage: portmap OK ?10:45
Razor-Xmebaran151: then what's the difference between amd64 Ubuntu, and amd32?10:45
yahalomXyc0,  Embedded Real256E 3D Graphics with 64M share memory10:45
mebaran151hence the need for a chroot10:45
highvoltagethoreauputic: yep10:46
mebaran151you have 64 bit binaries10:46
thoreauputichmm10:46
mebaran151with 64 bit pointers10:46
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Razor-X*gasp*10:46
mebaran151that use all 128 registers rather than 64 or whatever10:46
Razor-Xbut, the kernel does most of the work10:46
Iceman_AMD64big math difference in 32 and 64 bit ..... billions ...10:46
Dr_Melectausthoreauputic, im trying to force unmount a CD (install requires 3 CD's) and it says insert disc 2, so i ejected it by putting a bit of wire into the hole in my cd drive that manually opens it, but it still thinks the old CD is mounted, how do i make it kno the 2nd CD is in?10:46
Razor-XIceman_AMD64: I know my registers10:46
Razor-Xwhat are the extra registers, by the way?10:46
mebaran151std registers10:46
Razor-Xthe x86 has ax, bx, cx, dx, eax, ebx, ecx, and edx10:46
ricosuave17were is my ban10:46
thoreauputicDr_Melectaus: oh dear :/10:47
mebaran151the AMD64 chip has twice as many registers in 32 bit as 64 bit10:47
Madpilotricosuave17: get a freaking life. please.10:47
highvoltagericosuave17: is that by the pixies?10:47
thoreauputicDr_Melectaus: the brute force approach is not advised10:47
mebaran151Razor-X: these are internal not architectural10:47
Dr_Melectausthoreauputic, O dear indeed :-\10:47
mebaran151it allows it to have more intrathread parallism10:47
ricosuave17i wish i want one tho maybe for my b-day10:47
mebaran151and helps encoding and decoding10:47
Iceman_AMD64Running Windows XP Pro 64 Bit Beta .... "FREE" and Ubuntu 64 .. now10:47
Dr_Melectausim trying sudo -f eject /dev/cdrom10:47
Razor-Xmebaran151: ahhh, I see10:47
Dr_Melectausbut even that isnt working thor10:47
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thoreauputicDr_Melectaus: try sudo umount -l /dev/cdrom  (no guarantees)10:47
mebaran151Razor-X: 64 bit encoding is about twie as fast10:48
Razor-Xmebaran151: but it brings a hellish load of problems to the ballgame10:48
Iceman_AMD64hard to believe you can still download Windows XP 64 bit free ..10:48
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mebaran151Razor-X: like what10:48
Razor-X``Ahhh, foo doesen't work with AMD-64!!!''10:48
thoreauputicDr_Melectaus: do try to avoid the paper clip approach...10:48
Dr_Melectausthor, whats it supposed to do10:48
vader1102brb need my first cup of coffee10:48
Dr_Melectauslol thor10:48
Razor-Xtrue, I can spend the time to fix it, and peruse the docs and such, but if it's too much hastle, yea10:48
Dr_Melectausyea10:48
calcyou can download wxp64pro free off of msdn site10:48
highvoltagethoreauputic: the paper clip approach?10:48
mebaran151most things ompile pretty clean10:48
mebaran151except for openoffice10:49
thoreauputicDr_Melectaus: lazy umount ( see man mount )10:49
calcassuming you have the non-free access to it ;)10:49
Razor-Xmebaran151: I don't use oO10:49
Dr_Melectausk10:49
mebaran151it will compile gnome from scratch10:49
Razor-Xnot much, anyways10:49
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mebaran151most things that are written well can do it10:49
Iceman_AMD64calc you just register with microshaft, and they send you a cd key and a download link for XP  PRO 64 bit ...10:49
mebaran151gcc will compile ANSI C to 64 bit ELF's10:49
calcIceman_AMD64: ah cool10:49
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thoreauputicDr_Melectaus: or man umount perhaps - one or the other10:49
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ricosuave17YAY ELFS are they gring?10:49
ricosuave17green10:50
calci got the corporate version with no activation off msdn a while back10:50
katrusWoot.10:50
Iceman_AMD64calc downlaod and burn the iso ...10:50
Razor-Xmebaran151: how about the packages?10:50
highvoltageok enough with the windows talk now10:50
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Iceman_AMD64lol ;-) Winblows10:50
Iceman_AMD64might as well get it while it is free ...10:50
mebaran151Razor-X: eh maybe10:51
mebaran151Skpe I dont think wil lcompile10:51
thoreauputicRazor-X: skype isn't open source - you can't compile it10:51
mebaran151because otherwise10:51
mebaran151I would have10:51
Razor-Xthoreauputic: psshhh!10:51
Xyc0Windows Vista Betas are out10:51
Razor-Xthen I have to go with Gizmo, I guess10:51
Razor-Xif I ever use it, now10:51
Iceman_AMD64Anyone hurd of clustering support for Linux 64 bit ?10:51
thoreauputicRazor-X: there's a pefectly functional deb for it - and an apt line10:52
mebaran151Iceman_AMD64: I do it10:52
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Razor-XIceman_AMD64: that's ironic! XD10:52
mebaran151but I use the ruby library, drb10:52
mebaran151so10:52
Razor-Xdon't use ``hurd'' in the Linux world10:52
mebaran151I am kind of writing my own10:52
Iceman_AMD64mebaran151 what cluster program ...10:53
Razor-Xthoreauputic: I hear the 64 bit one brings a lot of errors10:53
mebaran151Razor-X: great Linus quote10:53
mebaran151Iceman_AMD64: homebrews10:53
mebaran151are use Distributed ruby10:53
thoreauputicRazor-X: ah - 64 bit I see10:53
Razor-Xlike I said, I can obviously read the docs, but I don't want to spend more than a week fixing things10:53
Razor-XI need another 2 to get everything tailored to my taste10:53
mebaran151Razor-X: the qutoe is: "Dont do drugs or you'll end up like the Hurd people.'10:53
Iceman_AMD64wonder if open mossix will run on 64 bit10:53
thoreauputicRazor-X: yes, the deb isn't for amd6410:53
mebaran151Iceman_AMD64: what's mosix10:53
Razor-Xmaking sure my .zshrc is right, making sure my emacs works nice, my screen, my Eterm needs to be compiled10:53
mebaran151I am going to try FC410:53
Razor-XI did a lot of customization on this box10:53
mebaran151Razor-X: yur home should be portable10:54
mebaran151back up your home partition10:54
Razor-Xmebaran151: I understand that10:54
mebaran151and just copy it over10:54
Razor-Xwell, a lot of my .emacs won't be10:54
Xyc0I live in a portable home10:54
mebaran151it wont be completely seamless10:54
Razor-Xso, i'm gonna just copy all the macros from it10:54
Dr_Melectausthoreauputic, can i somehow install it with the files on my pc, rather than from cd10:54
Iceman_AMD64cluster add on for linux ... check www.clusterknoppix.com ... it boots a live cd and auto configs a cluster for you10:54
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mebaran151Xyc0: are you posix compliant .....10:54
Iceman_AMD64cluster from a live cd10:54
mebaran151Iceman_AMD64: that sounds like a bad idea10:54
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Xyc0it was a joke10:54
Razor-Xmebaran151: hahahahaha!10:55
Iceman_AMD64not really, works well ....10:55
mebaran151Xyc0: so was mine10:55
mebaran151Iceman_AMD64: well I guess it could cache itself in memory10:55
thoreauputicDr_Melectaus: first, did you manage to open your drive without using a crowbar ^H^H^H erm paperclip?10:55
Dr_Melectauslol10:55
Dr_Melectausyes10:55
Iceman_AMD64mebaran151 it is a kernel add on ... once i learn a bit more i might add it to ubuntu ..10:55
mebaran151time to burn on Fedora10:55
Dr_Melectauseject /dev/cdrom after cancling the install :)10:56
mebaran151Iceman_AMD64: yeah, but what doe sit do10:56
Iceman_AMD64well beb i hope in kde ...10:56
mebaran151I was compiling my kernel with openmosix extensions10:56
Razor-Xyeah, I think i'm gonna be better off using 32 bit distro with 64 bit kernel10:56
Iceman_AMD64blender suppoerts clustering10:56
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mebaran151Razor-X: trust me10:56
fragspazhi10:56
Razor-Xand a few 64 bit packages here and there10:56
mebaran151the problem isnt the packages10:56
fragspazwhats the default mozilla dir?10:56
thoreauputicDr_Melectaus: what are you installing?10:56
Razor-Xmebaran151: how well does the 32 bit chroot work?10:56
Iceman_AMD64high end graphics ...10:56
mebaran151Razor-X: you cant really do that10:56
Razor-Xmebaran151: ahhh, carp10:56
mebaran151if you want 64 bit packages10:57
Razor-Xs/carp/crap/10:57
mebaran151you have to have 64 bit system10:57
Dr_Melectausthoreauputic, TRYING to install UT2K310:57
mebaran151no Razor-X it is fish10:57
Razor-Xmebaran151: hmmm, I see10:57
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Razor-Xyeah, how's the 32 bit chroot?10:57
mebaran151because 64 bit kernels emulate 32 bit instructions10:57
thoreauputicDr_Melectaus: ah - I know nothing about games, sorry10:57
mebaran151but using the really super fast native emulation10:57
mebaran151so emulate is a bad word10:57
Dr_Fateserpentine does not work either huh?10:57
Dr_Fatejeez10:57
mebaran151but a 32 bit kernel cant emulate 64 bit10:57
mebaran151that wouldnt make sense10:57
Dr_Melectausthoreauputic, ut2k3 has a linux install script on disc 3, but its fuggerd10:57
fragspazwhats the default mozilla dir?10:58
mebaran151but all your apps will be availabe10:58
thoreauputicDr_Melectaus: so it would seem10:58
Razor-Xmebaran151: that much I realized10:58
mebaran151emacs, cplay10:58
mebaran151the only thing you lose is Flash10:58
mebaran151which10:58
mebaran151if you are a good boy10:58
Razor-XFlash, pshhhh10:58
mebaran151you will help the GNUFlash guys10:58
Razor-XI don't care about Flash10:58
mebaran151wirte a new and better flash plugin10:58
Dr_Melectausthe last install that just went wrong there was trying to run it under wine10:58
mebaran151Ming is going really well10:58
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mebaran151it aint Studio MX10:59
Iceman_AMD64kool, that got kde up10:59
mebaran151but it writes flash10:59
robotgeekokay...anyone with a weird ntfs problem?10:59
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mebaran151robotgeek: ntfs is an antiquaed modern fs10:59
mebaran151so pshhh10:59
mebaran151convert that volume to xfs10:59
mebaran151it sounds like ntfs .....10:59
Xyc0winfs isn't?10:59
Iceman_AMD64Geez, 64 bit blows my p4 out of the water ...10:59
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Razor-XFlash is one of those useless internet standards10:59
Razor-Xmebaran151: what about ReiserFS?11:00
robotgeekmebaran151: i know, but I am using this volume to transfer data from my windows friends :)11:00
mebaran151Razor-X: XFS is FAST11:00
mebaran151but becareful11:00
highvoltageRazor-X: flash is not cool11:00
Razor-XReiserFS is nice for small files11:00
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Xyc0not foe /11:00
robotgeekflash is not cool!11:00
Razor-Xand JFS is nice for servers ;)11:00
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highvoltageRazor-X: reiserfs is cool.11:00
mebaran151JFS is good for multimedia11:00
robotgeekmostly cause they don't run on my machine11:00
Iceman_AMD64so what is lacking in 64 bit ubuntu support ...11:00
mebaran151because it can handle HUGE files will really nicely11:00
Xyc0boot up doesnt like reiserfs, it takes like 5 extra sec to boot up11:01
robotgeekXyc0: no such problems here!11:01
Iceman_AMD64is flash player support in 64 bit yet ?11:01
mebaran151Iceman_AMD64: hahahahahahahahahhahahaha11:01
mebaran151hahahahahahahahhahaahaa11:01
mebaran151hahahahahahahahahhahahahahahah11:01
mebaran151sorry about that11:01
Iceman_AMD64take that as a no ..11:01
mebaran151it is there in hacks11:02
Dr_MelectausSORRY FOR SHOUTING. BUT has anyone got Unreal Tournament 2003, as i need the linux-install.sh script as mines is fuggerd11:02
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robotgeekokay, anyways...i have ntfs now :)11:02
yahalomis there anything i can change in xorg.conf in order to get dvds to not be choppy11:02
Iceman_AMD64what else is lacking in 64 bit support11:02
yahalom>11:02
yahalom?11:02
mebaran151Iceman_AMD64: openoffice isnt native11:02
Dr_Melectausand if anyone would be willing to dcc me it id be most greatfull11:02
Xyc0robotgeek: did you try with just ext3?  ReiserFS has to be recognized b4 it can mount11:02
mebaran151so you lose 1.2 secs initializing alot of 32 bit apps11:02
mebaran151and libs11:02
rkinderyahalom: check your DVD drive has DMA enabled11:03
robotgeeki can mount as normal user, but cannot access it as a normal user11:03
yahalomrkinder, yes it does11:03
mebaran151chatzilla is nice11:03
mebaran151XUL app11:03
mebaran151I was expecting less11:03
robotgeekXyc0: my home partition is ext3, mp3/movies reiserfs11:03
Xyc0later everyone, time to play guildwars11:03
Xyc0on LINUX w00t11:03
holycowmebaran151, why, all the moz browsers are xul apps them selves11:03
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highvoltageLinux is cool.11:03
vader1102Razor-X I am running winXP 64 bit on a client machine...until the driver support is better, I am switching back to 32-bit11:03
Xyc0ubuntix is the best11:04
robotgeekmebaran151: it's pretty good. i prefer xchat though, my linux machine is not really powerful11:04
mebaran151holycow: yeah, but that is kind of their definition11:04
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mebaran151robotgeek: yeah I do too11:04
Stephcan someone help me please11:04
mebaran151this is from my windows laptop11:04
highvoltagegross!11:04
Stephis it possible to un-install linux after i have installed it?11:04
mebaran151I cant get decent suspend with my laptop because the friggin ati card inside11:04
robotgeekmebaran151: oh, the horrors!11:04
mebaran151robotgeek: I hate it11:04
Xyc0Steph: Why would you want to?11:04
holycowmebaran151, ehe, i like chatzilla too, i think it can be better as xul framework is quite powerfull11:04
vader1102Steph, anything is possible11:04
StephXyc0 im just wondering11:04
rkinderyahalom: do you have the xvideo extension enabled?11:04
Stephis it possible?11:04
vader1102yes11:04
highvoltagemebaran151: you can just delete the partition.11:05
Stephhow do i do that11:05
Stephun-install?11:05
robotgeekmebaran151: i have ati too, luckily (or unluckily), i have a old machine!11:05
nomis_Steph, you can delete the linux partions and re install the windows mbr if you want to ;)11:05
vader1102it is called format11:05
Xyc0Steph: it is, but you still lost what ever files were on the drive partition b4 you installed11:05
highvoltagemebaran151: but windows is not cool.11:05
mebaran151Steph: you can formt your harddrive11:05
mebaran151highvoltage: I hate it11:05
mebaran151I can't get my posix goodness11:05
highvoltagemebaran151: i hate windows too11:05
Stephbut im leaving windows on with linux11:05
mebaran151but I use it for Finale 200611:05
Stephon a seperate partition11:05
Stephwhat do i go into to delete the linux?11:05
mebaran151I cant get my compisitions in to my professor with out a windows laptop11:05
Xyc0Steph: yea, then you format over and use your WinXP disk to fixmbr11:05
vader1102np steph use 3rd party partitionner11:05
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robotgeekmebaran151: i understand your pain :)11:06
Xyc0Steph: Google around to see how to fix your mbr through windows11:06
mebaran151ther eise nothing on the Linux scene that compete with Finale11:06
Stephhow much space does a default ubuntu partition take up?11:06
mebaran151robotgeek: you do classical composition?11:06
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Xyc0Steph: but try linux, youd be surprised how much easier it is then windows11:06
vader1102Steph: I was using it with a 3 gig hard drive11:06
robotgeekmebaran151: nope, similiar issues...CAD design11:06
Stephim using ubuntu live at the moment11:06
Xyc0Steph: less then 2 gig11:06
Stephdo you think i should install it11:07
Xyc0yes11:07
vader1102yes11:07
Stephi got a 40 gb/go hdd11:07
snivitz0What is the proper terminal command to view ip information?11:07
Stephis that enough for windows xp and ubuntu linux11:07
Stephdo you think11:07
Xyc0Steph: give 10 gig to ubuntu11:07
robotgeeksnivitz0: ifconfig11:07
mebaran151robotgeek: oh yeah11:07
thoreauputicsnivitz0: ifconfig11:07
Steph10??11:07
vader1102<----been using it for 3 weeks and will not go back11:07
Stephtoo much isnt it11:07
mebaran151but I know they exist for Linux really highend11:07
Razor-XWindows gives me headaches, so continued exposure will make me go mad11:07
Xyc0Steph: then you have room to install everything youd want11:07
mebaran151I mean Maya is native11:07
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snivitz0robotgeek, thoreauputic: Thank you!11:07
mebaran151so I am assuming AutoCAD has a port11:07
robotgeekSteph: just in case u decide to stick with it :)11:08
StephXyc0 can i use my WLAN card on ubuntu11:08
Xyc0Steph: what kind is it11:08
StephBelkin11:08
mebaran151it has to .. all teh architects I know do renders on AIX mainframes11:08
mebaran151(family business)11:08
Xyc0Steph: I can use mine, but it depends on the make/model11:08
StephHow did you install yours.11:08
StephThe install disk doesnt work.11:08
StephOn linux11:08
Xyc0ndiswrapper lets me use the windows drivers11:08
robotgeekmebaran151: i am on PPC, so forget everything. I just get my work done on Windows machines, which inspite of being a P4 , crashes with only Pro/E and winamp running11:08
Xyc0i use it that way11:09
Stephndiswrapper whats that11:09
robotgeek!wifi11:09
ubotusomebody said wifi was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto11:09
mebaran151robotgeek: ahhh11:09
mebaran151PPC Linux11:09
Xyc0what ubotu said11:09
mebaran151the minority of a minority11:09
vader1102Steph try a google search for your card and ubuntu in the search window, that'll get ya the info you need11:09
robotgeekSteph: see taht!11:09
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Stephso if i install that11:09
Stephthen ill be able to use windows install disks?11:09
Xyc0it is installed with ubuntu isnt it?11:09
robotgeekmebaran151: true, a pain sometimes...but i actually prefer Linux to OS X11:09
Stephhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto11:10
mebaran151robotgeek: it feels hard11:10
Stephdo i install it to ubuntu?11:10
Stephor windows11:10
rkinderSteph: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards11:10
Xyc0Steph: yea read up on how to install with ndis11:10
mebaran151OS X is so bloated11:10
mebaran151and they cut out all the posix goodness11:10
mebaran151and gave it crappy threading support11:10
Xyc0mebaran151: what is it with posix and you?11:10
mebaran151a really crippled BSD11:10
robotgeekmebaran151: actually OS X was pretty fast on my machine11:10
mebaran151Xyc0: what's not to love11:10
vader1102I use madwifi but that is because it has my driver built right in11:10
Xyc0yea OSX gets to the point11:10
StephXyc0 what do i install11:11
mebaran151Xyc0: even with allt he eyecandy11:11
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mebaran151I was working on an old G411:11
Xyc0is ndiswapper installed with ubuntu?11:11
mebaran151and it was painful11:11
Stephnot on mine11:11
Stephyet11:11
linlini jsut installed nvidia drivers.  gow do i restart x now?11:11
Stephwhere do i get it from11:11
Xyc0Steph: first you need to findout exactly what wifi card you have11:11
vader1102linlin easiest to just log out and back in lol11:12
linlinmmk11:12
avddan intel xeon should be able to run an x86 installer yes?11:12
Xyc0Steph: you also need to set up your router to use wep, cause WPA is really hard to setup11:12
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robotgeekmebaran151: but i did not like the fact that I could not have it the way i wanted it to. Plus, most of my future work installs easily with an apt-get rather than compiling thru fink11:12
Stephi dont have security enabled on my router11:12
rkinderXyc0: wpa is easy to set up - depends on having a quality card/AP.11:13
StephIve got a Belkin card11:13
robotgeekXyc0: let him take one step at a time :)11:13
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Xyc0rkinder: where did you find out how, ive been here for weeks trying to11:13
StephXyc0 can you pvt me because this is getting confusing bro11:13
rkinderXyc0: wpa_supplicant is pretty good11:13
Xyc0rkinder: i installed it, what else do I do?11:14
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rkinderXyc0: read the fine manual :) /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/ ... I think11:14
robotgeeki can mount my NTFS partition on my external USB as normal user, but cannot access it as a normal user. Any pointers?11:14
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heatxsink anyone in here get firewire working with their SoundBlaster Audigy ZS?11:15
vader1102I am using the dwl-g650 abg wireless and love it, I can get into the car and go to any of my fave coffee shops and use their wireless access and do my studies from there or check the email if I so choose11:15
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heatxsinkAudigy 2 ZS11:15
robotgeekvader1102: cool!!11:16
vader1102yup, I love the wireless world11:16
Dr_Melectauswhat should the  ip be like for eth0 on ubuntu if its the 2nd machine on my network?11:16
Razor-Xwhat's a nice Linux compatible wireless card?11:16
Xyc0vader1102: I got the dell a/b/g11:17
Dr_Melectaus192.168.0.2 ??11:17
vader1102still have a wired card for the places that lack behind but you know how that is11:17
robotgeekRazor-X: i think most netgears work well11:17
Razor-Xrobotgeek: great11:17
vader1102my buddy has a MS card and has to use the ndiswrapper with it11:17
robotgeekthough check out www.prism54.org11:17
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vader1102but he is using suse11:18
robotgeeki can't use ndiswrapper11:18
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vader1102robotgeek: why not?11:18
robotgeeki actually have a belkin card, but it uses a ralink chipset11:18
robotgeekvader1102: ppc linux :)11:18
Razor-Xmy dad's Netgear Wireless card worked out of the box in Knoppix, but I don't know if that configures ndiswrapper dynamically11:18
vader1102oh, ok11:18
Dr_Melectauswhat should the  ip be like for eth0 on ubuntu if its the 2nd machine on my network? 192.168.0.2 ??11:18
bonvenonDr_Melectaus: if you have a router it's probably using 192.168.0.1. then your first machine might run on 2 and the second on 311:18
robotgeekRazor-X: i think netgear has support in linux kernel :)\11:19
Razor-Xrobotgeek: kickass! ;)11:19
robotgeekRazor-X: even my usb netgear worked!11:19
Dr_Melectausbonvenon, under the hosts tab, what should be selected ?11:19
rkinderDr_Melectaus: it all depends on the network configuration... it's kind of like asking 'how long is a piece of string'... :)11:19
bonvenonDr_Melectaus: do you have a  router?11:19
Dr_MelectausWell i have a pc acting as a router11:20
Dr_Melectausthe connection from the pc is bridged to my ubuntu laptop11:20
Dr_Melectausthe router is dows XP11:20
Dr_Melectauswell pc11:20
StephRazor-X do you use a wlan card?11:20
vader1102I have never done the pc router thing but I might in the future11:20
bonvenonDr_Melectaus: can't you use dhcp?11:20
Razor-XSteph: not on this machine11:20
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Dr_Melectausbonvenon, how do i use it11:21
Dr_Melectausselect it rather than static ip?11:21
StephRazor-X: OK11:21
Razor-XAMD 64 and Wireless is new territory for me11:21
bonvenonDr_Melectaus: yep. but that requires a dhcp server that gives you an ip11:21
DavidACan anyone help - the printer connected to my parralel poort is not recognised as being connected - I have checked the cables11:21
Dr_Melectausbonvenon, where do i put that in then?11:22
rkinderDr_Melectaus: you should be able to configure this via the System->Administration->Networking11:22
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Dr_Melectausi am rkinder11:22
Dr_Melectaus Autoconfiguration IP Address. . . : 169.254.101.6611:22
vader1102it is like 5:20 am here on sunday of a long weekend: what in the world am I doing up lol11:22
Dr_Melectauswould that be what i use bonvenon11:22
Razor-Xlong weekend?11:22
Dr_Melectausif so where does that go?11:22
mebaran151_yeah11:23
bonvenonDr_Melectaus: have you selected dhcp?11:23
Dr_Melectausyes bonvenon11:23
Dr_Melectausit worked previously with dhcp11:23
Dr_Melectausbut somehow went tits up11:23
bonvenontDr_Melectaus: hen, why did you change it?11:23
vader1102woops: coffe done brb11:23
bonvenonDr_Melectaus: ok11:23
Dr_Melectausit was working a couple of hours ago11:23
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StephHello Hear_11:24
StephHello Heart_11:24
Dr_Melectausbonvenon, is there anything i can do to sort it?11:24
rkinderDr_Melectaus: have you tried 'ifdown eth0' then 'ifup eth0'?11:25
Heart_hi11:25
Dr_Melectausrkinder, do i just put that in terminal11:25
rkinderDr_Melectaus: it may get a new DHCP address...11:25
rkinderDr_Melectaus: yes, it would be 'sudo ifdown eth0' then 'sudo ifup eth0'11:25
robotgeekvader1102: it's a long weekend?11:25
robotgeekdamn!11:25
Razor-Xrobotgeek: I didn't know either11:26
Madpilotit is in most of Canada, anyway. Happy BC Day (on Monday, anyway)...11:26
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robotgeekah..okay11:27
Dr_Melectausrkinder, typed it but it just goes to a new line with no info11:27
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MartenHwhat is a backport?11:27
robotgeeki solved the mount problem by RTFMing11:27
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rkinderDr_Melectaus: sounds like the networking system is trying to get a new IP address through DHCP but failing.11:27
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mebaran151_ok weird11:27
mebaran151_breezy colony 2 works11:27
Dr_Melectaushmmmm. is there anyway to sort it rkinder ?11:27
Dr_Melectausi have this   Autoconfiguration IP Address. . . : 169.254.101.66 which i think is of some relavence11:28
Dr_Melectauswith there being no DNS11:28
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mebaran151_but hoary segfaults and breezy current panics11:28
mebaran151_weird ....11:28
Sp4rKyhello, what's the best ide over gnome for c++ ?11:28
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robotgeekatleast they both crash...maybe that's a good thing11:28
rkinderDr_Melectaus: the 169 address is a bit weird - this is usually a default address (randomly assigned 169 address) windows grabs when it can't reach the DHCP server11:28
linuxboyhow does a user change their password from thu GUI?11:28
rkinderDr_Melectaus: this address is the one on the ubuntu box?11:29
robotgeekRazor-X will say emacs, i will say vim and you might use kdevelop/gedit!11:29
yahalomguys how do i turn on dma for DVD and then make sure it stays on. cos i did it manually and then everytime  i reboot i lose the settings. anyone plz?11:29
Dr_Melectausrkinder, want to talk me thru setting it up againf from scratch, it will only take 5 mins :)11:29
searcher`yahalom: look in /etc/hdparm.conf11:29
Dr_Melectaus Autoconfiguration IP Address. . . : 169.254.101.66 ==what comes up in dows box11:29
thoreauputicyahalom: read /etc/hdparm.conf11:29
robotgeekis it possible to set dma on for a external usb?11:29
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brach_Linuxboy:    sudo passwd your_user_name11:30
rkinderDr_Melectaus: ok, looks like the windows box can't get a DHCP address...11:30
Dr_Melectausthe current eth0 ip on the ubuntu machine is 192.168.0.211:30
Razor-Xemacs!11:30
Razor-Xmeh, robotgeek11:30
linuxboybrach_: without using the GUI!11:30
searcher`vi!11:30
brach_from command line console11:30
brach_:)11:30
thoreauputicbrach_: the sudo isn't needed for the user to change a password11:30
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searcher`linuxboy: there's a user management option in the System menu11:30
Dr_Melectausbrd ip for eth0 is 192.168.0.25511:30
vader1102vi is ok, but beeing a noob I preffer gedit11:31
yahalomthoreauputic, i get cdrom dma on, however its on for dvd. do i need a dvd entry?11:31
searcher`Dr_Melectaus: that adress is reserved for broadcast traffic11:31
yahalomthoreauputic, i mean its NOT on for DVD11:31
linuxboysearcher`: but the user doesn't have access to that11:31
thoreauputicyahalom: you need an entry for each drive you have11:31
rkinderDr_Melectaus: so does the winxp box have an interface with a 192 address?11:31
Dr_Melectauswhats that mean searcher`11:31
searcher`Dr_Melectaus: are you trying to assign that adress or give it out?11:31
thoreauputicyahalom: here the drives are /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd11:32
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yahalomthoreauputic, i only have one cdrom drive buts its a DVD, so even though DMA is on for that cd rom drive. my dvd dma is off11:32
thoreauputicyahalom: yours may differ11:32
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robotgeekis it possible to set dma on for a external usb?11:32
Dr_Melectaussearcher. i cant get the internet on my ubuntu machine11:32
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Dr_Melectausthe ip's are all screwed for eth0. i have a windows machine acting as a router11:32
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thoreauputicyahalom: I don't have a DVD drive and I don't know an naswer - maybe someone else will know11:32
searcher`Dr_Melectaus: is DHCP working on the Windows machine?11:33
thoreauputic*answer11:33
linuxboyis there any ipv6 howto for ubuntu?11:33
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Mondoshawanhi all!11:33
searcher`Dr_Melectaus: also, check the last lines of `dmesg' when you try to get an ip11:33
Dr_Melectaussearcher. i had dhcp selected on ubuntu a few hours ago and it was working11:33
Dr_Melectauslast lines of dmsg ?11:33
Razor-XIPv6?11:33
Dr_Melectausdmesg**11:33
searcher`Dr_Melectaus: open a terminal11:33
Razor-Xthat's oldskool!11:33
Razor-XI have IPv3241234213411:33
Dr_Melectaussearcher`, k11:33
Xyc0Is there a defrag program for Ext3?11:34
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Razor-Xmuahahahaha!11:34
tikka<Dr_Melectaus> searcher. i had dhcp selected on ubuntu a few hours ago and it was working <-- happned to me too11:34
Razor-Xmy IP address is bigger than my .zshrc!!! XD11:34
thoreauputicXyc0: not needed11:34
MondoshawanI installed a ubuntu 5.04 server with apache2 but no ftpd  but i wonder i can connect as anonymous user on this server but i do not find a ftp server?11:34
dilchmany negroes prefer to use unbuntu11:34
Razor-Xdilch: is that different from ubuntu?11:34
Xyc0thoreauputic: what do you mean, every format splits data up occasionally11:34
searcher`type: dmesg11:34
Dr_Melectaussearcher`, "no ipv6 routers present11:34
Razor-Xor just a misspelling?11:34
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Dr_Melectausat the end11:34
searcher`Dr_Melectaus: that's good11:34
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dilchRazor-X, a misspelling big fella11:35
thoreauputicXyc0: *sigh* linux rarely fragments enough to matter (it's properly designed)11:35
Dr_Melectaussearcher`, there is something about 10 lines above it that may mean something.... (allow time to type)11:35
brach_for a total noob @ coding (never done it) what language would be a good start in learning? (if their even is such a thing)11:36
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Xyc0Xyc0:11:36
Xyc0wtf11:36
Xyc0the siren isnt going off11:36
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vader1102time to work on the BLOG will keep watching11:36
Belutzbrach_: C or C++11:36
Dr_Melectausprogram eject is using deprecated SCDI ioctl,please convert it SG_IO11:36
Dr_Melectaushas the above twice11:36
benplautXyc0: test... test11:36
Xyc0Xyc0:11:36
Xyc0damn it11:36
Xyc0gaim is broken11:36
benplautyour own won't do it11:36
linuxboybrach_: python11:37
benplautoh, Gaim?11:37
Xyc0try again11:37
Mondoshawanis on ubuntu autmaticlly a ftp service installed ? can somebody help me please ?!11:37
benplauttry Xchat :)11:37
benplautXyco11:37
Dr_Melectaussearcher`, ?11:37
Xyc0with a zero11:37
benplautbenplaut11:37
robotgeekpython rocks!11:37
djtanseydoes anyone here know how to set up email forwarding in ubuntu (which is used as a mail server)?11:37
benplauti can't flag myself :P11:37
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SammiC++ is fairly easy to learn.11:37
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thoreauputicMondoshawan: no servers run externally on default ubuntu - or do you mean an ftp *client* ?11:37
Xyc0some one tab my name in11:38
Razor-XXyc0: no ;)11:38
MadpilotXyc0: like this?11:38
Xyc0damn it11:38
Razor-XMadpilot: beat ya11:38
Madpilotheh.11:38
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Razor-Xbenplaut: that's flamewar territory ;)11:38
Dr_Melectausrkinder, ?11:38
Xyc0it used to work!!!! what broke it!!!11:38
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Xyc0brb11:38
Razor-Xfine fine11:38
thoreauputicMondoshawan: please ask before /msg ing or pm ing people11:38
BelutzRazor-X: hi... still here?? don't you need something to eat? :D11:38
=== Razor-X reccomends BitchX and erc
Dr_Melectausbahhh everyone has vanished all at once11:39
Dr_Melectaus:-\11:39
Razor-XBelutz: eating is for squares!11:39
=== koffa_ recommends irssi
Razor-X;)11:39
Belutzyup... BitchX is good :p11:39
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thoreauputicMondoshawan: and keep your questions in channel where everyone can read them to help you11:39
benplautwhy does it have an X at the end, if it's CLI?11:39
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=== Belutz gives Razor-X a plate of sandwiches....
benplautBitchX, that is11:39
Mondoshawanok11:40
Razor-Xbenplaut: X is generally prepended to mean an ``X Windows'' application11:40
=== benplaut steals Razor-X's sandwiches
Razor-Xnooo!!!11:40
Belutzlol11:40
benplautbut it's not?!11:40
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thoreauputicMondoshawan: PLEASE do *not* /msh me !11:40
Razor-Xbenplaut: it generally is11:40
thoreauputic* /msg11:40
Razor-Xthoreauputic: /msh?11:40
benplautit's command line...?11:40
Razor-Xbenplaut: like the DVI Viewer xgdvi11:40
Belutzanyone using tcsh instead of bash?11:40
benplautw/e11:40
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Razor-Xit's for X Windows, hence the ``x''11:40
thoreauputicRazor-X: new protocol *grin*11:40
Razor-XBelutz: nooooooooo!!!! evil!!!!!11:41
benplaut*PLEASE* do not /mush me!11:41
yahalomthoreauputic, how do i make this permanent: hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd ?11:41
robotgeeki am not a power user of irc, xchat works well for me...plus, #ubuntu is the only place i visit11:41
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thoreauputicbenplaut: hahah11:41
tikkawoooooooooooooooo11:41
tikkagot me a new kernel11:41
tikkasexy stuff11:41
BelutzRazor-X: why tcsh is evil? FreeBSD use tcsh by default11:41
benplautgood for you11:41
MondoshawanI installed ubuntu (server) there is no ftp Dmon but i can connect on port21 with anonymous WHY?11:41
thoreauputicyahalom: we told you - edit /etc/hdparm.conf11:41
Mondoshawanist that a bug ???11:41
dilchexactly, i use tcsh11:41
Razor-XBelutz: exactly11:41
dilchyou rude little man11:41
benplauttikka: be quiet on that last one... it gives us geeks a bad image :P11:41
Razor-Xwhich makes FreeBSD evil11:41
Razor-X;)11:41
yahalomthoreauputic, i know that man. i dont know how do insert it.11:42
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BelutzRazor-X: huehuehue.... because of the devil of FreeBSD daemon.... LOL11:42
benplautp'shaaa...11:42
robotgeekMondoshawan: you must have ftpd installed and running11:42
Mondoshawanno is not11:42
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Razor-Xyour !! has nothing on ME!!! muahahahahaha!!! XD11:42
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thoreauputicyahalom: it tells you how in the file comments11:42
Xyc0some one tab me in again11:42
robotgeekbash is the shell!11:42
=== Belutz was thinking to migrating to FreeBSD
Xyc0last time11:42
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Razor-XXyc0: no11:42
Xyc0nice11:42
Xyc0it works now11:43
dilchBelutz, do it11:43
Razor-Xdon't do it!11:43
Xyc0i think it was when i restarted esd11:43
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Razor-Xdon't go to the dark side!11:43
Mondoshawanthats strange no ftpd no vsftpd nothing with ftp is installed11:43
yahalomthoreauputic, ah sorry man. thanx :)11:43
benplautthat was odd...11:43
BurgundaviaMondoshawan, no servers are installed by default11:43
Xyc0LINUX IS FREEEEEEEE11:43
benplautwhat did my exit message say the problem was a sec ago?11:43
Xyc0FREEEDOOOOMMM11:43
Belutzrobotgeek: thx for the slap... i just wake up :D11:43
robotgeekMondoshawan: i think ftpd must be installed and started from inetd11:43
Razor-XXyc0: free as in libre, not free as in coors11:43
Belutzdilch: why do you think i should migrate?11:43
robotgeekBelutz: it's all in good humor :)11:43
thoreauputicBurgundavia: I told him that about half an hour ago :/11:43
Xyc0FREEEEDOOOMMMM11:43
benplautoh, be quiet :)11:44
Razor-Xbenplaut: you closed the connection11:44
benplautoh11:44
Mondoshawani know but why can i connect to port 21 wit anonymousd?11:44
Xyc0:D11:44
BurgundaviaXyc0, please don't11:44
robotgeekMondoshawan: do a telnet localhost:2111:44
Belutzrobotgeek: yup... :D11:44
benplautd*mn bugs11:44
Xyc0Burgundavia: it's ok to be free dude11:44
Razor-Xgranted, BSD is awesome as a server11:44
Razor-Xbut nothing more11:44
Mondoshawanin inetd.conf arent entrys11:44
benplautXyc0: don't shout it11:44
dilchRazor-X, i use it on the desktop and it works just fine11:44
robotgeekMondoshawan: and tell us what it says11:45
benplautat least he hasn't learned about bold text :D11:45
Razor-Xdilch: of course it works11:45
BelutzRazor-X: yup... i've been using FreeBSD as servers11:45
Razor-Xbut, BSD's main use is serverness11:45
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benplaut"The power to serve"11:45
Razor-Xeverything else is too convoluted for my tastes11:45
Mondoshawanunable to connect :-) but with the gnome-commander i can connect lol11:45
Xyc0benplaut: *whisper* freeeedoooommm11:45
Razor-XI dunno, BSD seems counter-intuitive to me11:45
benplaut!info zsh11:45
dilchlol it's not too convoluted at all11:45
ubotuzsh: (A shell with lots of features), section shells, is optional. Version: 4.2.1-15ubuntu5 (hoary), Packaged size: 1949 kB, Installed size: 5816 kB11:45
dilchthe opposite11:45
benplautahhh11:45
benplautthat explans11:45
vader1102ok, time for me to have some fun and try to get the mana world to work under Ubuntu... will post a blog if it works11:45
Razor-Xbenplaut: exactly11:46
Belutzi just can't resist the cute devil the fbsd daemon :p11:46
dilchi run everything i ever ran in linux .. it has binary emulation anyway11:46
Razor-Xzsh borrows some from every shell11:46
Razor-Xincluding tcsh11:46
robotgeekMondoshawan: weird, but i dunno what's wrong11:46
benplauthow hard to switch to from Bash?11:46
Mondoshawanso i will see whats the problem i will reboot11:46
Mondoshawanthanks11:46
Razor-Xbenplaut: to zsh, the basic things are the same11:46
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Razor-Xbut, when it comes to scripting, and powerful interactive use, that's where zsh differs11:46
benplautahh11:47
robotgeeki use python for all my scripting needs :)11:47
benplauti wouldn't reallu notice a diff11:47
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brammatorhi! where can i find drivers for usb modem id 0572:1234? linuxant.com doesn't help.11:47
Razor-Xbenplaut: but tcsh on the other hand... ouch ;)11:47
robotgeekand they are not much11:47
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Softarnwhat filesystem type should i install ubuntu on?11:50
MartenHwhat is a backport?11:50
robotgeekSoftarn: ext3 shud work fine11:50
rkinderSoftarn: depends on your needs. Default of ext3 should do for most people11:50
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evaderCan anyone suggest where I can find out how to install Windows Vista beta 1 on vmware5? (ubuntu host). Windows doesnt detect the virtual disk for some reason.11:51
LiberalTugboathey... anyone running KDE 3.4.2?11:51
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Xyc0some one help Steph when he/she gets back, im going to bed11:51
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Xyc0evader: Good luck11:51
Catdaemon`Im using SSH and i closed the window showing what my server app was doing, how to i see what is doing again? ( sorry i cant explain that very well ) :|11:51
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evaderXyc0, thanks - any ideas though?11:52
thoreauputicMartenH: in simple terms a backport is a newer version made to work on an older installation (like something from breezy made to be compatible with hoary, say)11:52
Xyc0evader: no, it is way too new to start messing with emulators11:52
robotgeeki think i will go to bed too...it's 4:30 am!11:52
Xyc0ha ha thanks Belutz11:52
Belutzwew11:52
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Softarnhow big is ubuntu? like 2 gb?11:53
evaderXyc0, vmware5 says it has experimental Longhorn support - it just doesnt seem to like the SCSI drivers...11:53
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robotgeekoh okay...some more time then!11:53
evaderSoftarn, as big as you make it.11:53
Softarngreat!11:53
MadpilotSoftarn: default is about 1.8Gb11:54
Xyc0evader: you downloaded the new torrent for WinVista?11:54
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robotgeekevil!!11:54
evaderXyc0, no, I have it legit. MSDN subscription.11:54
evaderWhy?11:54
Catdaemon`lol11:55
Catdaemon`you paid for a msdn subscription :/11:55
Xyc0evader: Cause I was thinking of messing with it.11:55
Catdaemon`looks like a waste of money from what i see :/11:55
robotgeekto each his own11:55
robotgeeki'm sure he has a good reason11:55
Rydekullhmm, I want to try out Windows Vista Beta 1 to see how their security thinking is going11:56
Rydekullit seems to have improved alot atleast11:56
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robotgeekIE 7 UI is not good11:57
evaderheh yeah11:58
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evaderI have it running on xp in vmware11:58
evadernot too bad tho11:58
Xyc0IE 7 is M$ trying to be like firefox11:58
robotgeekall the new features are from opera and ffox11:58
robotgeekand to be different, they changed the position of File menu11:58
Xyc0that may sound ignorant, but it is way too close to the truth11:58
brammatorrobotgeek nope. they're from maxthon 1-)11:58
Belutzhmmm is vmware for linux is free ?11:59
Xyc0no11:59
xophErno11:59
Belutzic11:59
Belutz:(11:59
Xyc0its really expensive actualy11:59
robotgeekbrammator: never had the chance to try it...though i will be ignorant end user and not try IE11:59
mjrBelutz, if you want something similar, try qemu11:59
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Belutzqemu?11:59
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Belutzwill googling on that11:59
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robotgeekbrammator: or maxthon...since now firefox on windows plays yahoo videos too!12:00
Xyc0Belutz: or you can just use wine to run the windows programs you like12:00
mjrBelutz, it's somewhat slower, though (there is a proprietary, free-as-in-beer kernel module that's supposed to make it faster, haven't tried)12:00
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mjrBelutz, google will work, yes12:00
Belutzcould someone kindly enough to give me a copy of vmware or crossover? LOL :D j/k12:00
thoreauputicmjr: default qemu works, but it's pretty slow12:00
Xyc0Belutz: Torrents12:00
Catdaemon`Im using SSH and i closed the window showing what my server app was doing, how to i see what is doing again? ( sorry i cant explain that very well ) :| ( repeat because of no answer :o )12:00
Xyc0Belutz: you can steal linux programs too12:01
BelutzXyc0: that's a good idea...12:01
mjrthoreauputic, yep, that I have tried :)12:01
brammatorrobotgeek: believe me, ff still loses to maxthon. private opinion, of course.12:01
thoreauputicmjr: :)12:01
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Xyc0but it is way more satisfying to steal m$ programs12:01
brammatormeh, anybody knows about conexant modems and ubuntu?12:01
BelutzXyc0: i couldn't agree more :D12:01
robotgeekbrammator: i use linux most of the time, so i don't really have a choice there, do i?12:01
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Xyc0gnite everyone12:01
Belutznite nite Xyc012:01
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Softarnso u dont think ie 7 si gonna be better than ffox? aint there alot of security holes in ffox now?12:01
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Catdaemon`Softarn: be pro, use opera :D12:02
robotgeekXyc0: nite12:02
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mastovergnathouba12:02
brammatorrobotgeek heh.. that's 'operation system holy war" thing is total tragic crap for us fellow endusers12:02
thoreauputicguys, btw WAREZ is way off topic here12:02
Belutzbrammator: maybe this will help you out http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/12:02
Belutzthoreauputic: oops sorry12:02
raven3x7brammmator www.linuxant.com12:02
brammatorBelutz if my usb id is not listed on linuxznt.com, is it possible?12:03
holycowSoftarn, i havent seen any so called 'innovation' in ie7 yet12:03
Belutzbrammator: i donno about that, sorry12:03
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holycownot only that12:03
holycowthey publically stated not to be making any efforts to support w3c standards12:03
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brammatorraven3x7 what about usb id?12:04
holycowfor a company that has what, 30 billion in cas in the bank, thats the best they can do?12:04
holycowpathetic12:04
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raven3x7brammator try the linmodems website/mailinglist they should know12:04
brammatorthanks/12:04
Random_SindromHow do I apply themes in Openbox?12:05
robotgeekRandom_Sindrom: obconf12:05
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robotgeekMS wants it's own standards for everything...PITA all the time12:06
robotgeekAll MS needs to do is to play nicely with everyone, and everyone will be happy12:06
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linlinnot how thw world orks unfortunetly12:07
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searcher`robotgeek: that's the problem when you have a monopoly, you don't maintain it when you play nicely12:07
linlinworks12:07
searcher`*nice12:07
vagamentehi all... ne1 can help me?12:07
robotgeeksearcher`: not really. a few people like me hate windows cause they don't play along well12:08
Pixel83vagamente, what's your problem?12:08
rkindervagamente: what's the prob?12:08
searcher`robotgeek: i don't hate windows12:09
searcher`it has it's place, just like linux12:09
searcher`or any other OS12:09
searcher`but they do have a monopoly part in fact of not playing nice to other vendors12:09
vagamentehttp://www.sinussource.de/ldrum/#downloads - Which one i have to install and how to?12:09
Belutzi always open windows in the morning, my room windows :D12:09
holycowrobotgeek All MS needs to do is to play nicely with everyone, and everyone will be happy  <-- you know, i couldnt agree with this more12:09
searcher`once you buy MS, it's pretty sure switching will be more costly then upgrading12:09
holycowits not like they are retards12:10
holycowthey have some smart and talented people working over there12:10
holycowthey could compete no problem12:10
searcher`but why bother?12:10
searcher`look at IE12:10
holycowbut they insist on simply making it hard for everyone12:10
robotgeekPITA!12:10
searcher`as soon as they pushed out Netscape it became stagnant for 3 years12:10
linlinyou would all do the same thing...12:10
linlinif it meant you were the richest man in the worls12:11
linlinworld*12:11
searcher`maintaining the monopoly is a sure way to make some serious cash12:11
robotgeekIE 7 also has nothing new, no CSS2 compatibility even12:11
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holycowsearcher`, its not a simple calculation like that, dropping ms for us results in 75% drop in i.t. costs12:11
Pixel83vagamente, probably the first one.12:11
holycowthere is a lot to be said for a case  by case based analysis12:11
rkindervagamente: you'll probably have to download the source and compile it yourself - doesn't look like this app is in the ubuntu repositories...12:11
searcher`holycow: the software isn't the big factor in IT12:11
searcher`the cost i mean12:11
holycowoh yes it is12:11
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searcher`it's the people installing and maintaining12:11
robotgeeklook at OS X...they have innovated12:11
holycowsearcher`, like i told you, exactly12:11
searcher`they are more expensive then that license12:11
holycowit IS THE factor indeed12:12
Pixel83vagamente, have you ever done that ./configure, make, make install thing?12:12
searcher`but switching away from MS once you buy it is more costly then just upgrading12:12
mjrrobotgeek, how about proper png support at least?12:12
holycowsearcher`, no its not, its on a case by case basis12:12
vagamentenever ever Pixel...12:12
robotgeekmjr: i think ie 7 has that, i am not sure though12:12
holycowfor us it results in 75% reduction in costs, thats overall, including maintenance and licencing12:12
holycowplease don't generalize like that12:12
searcher`holycow: it is in the 30+ companies i do support for12:13
holycowfor other companies it will be different12:13
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holycowsure, i'm not claimining anything about your situation12:13
searcher`we are slowly trying to get rid of Exchange for some of them12:13
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Pixel83vagamente, you'll probably have to download the tgz, unpack it and then follow the file named "INSTALL"12:13
mebaranyes!12:13
holycowthere are a lot of workloads where the switch just makes sense tho12:13
mebaranusing colony 2 I finally have a working linux install12:13
vagamenteok.. let's try...12:13
mebarankeymaps are weird but whatever12:13
searcher`which means expensive licenses (Novell, RedHat ) for support12:13
searcher`OR12:13
robotgeekin my university, we havent made it to dual boot in the major labs cause of the SCO scare12:14
searcher`lots of time spent by my team in building a custom linux out of debian12:14
holycowsearcher`, we are just going with ubuntu and debian12:14
LiberalTugboatwell need to go to bed i think... it is late! night all12:14
searcher`holycow: you still have to customize12:14
robotgeekwe do have a sweet deal from redhat here at my univ12:14
searcher`and IT labour doesn't come cheap12:14
holycowfor our needs, redhat and novell don't show up on the radar12:14
holycowsearcher`, dude, please stop generalizing12:14
searcher`robotgeek: edu is different from commercial use12:14
searcher`holycow: i'm not12:14
robotgeeksearcher`: i know12:14
holycowi may only have 175 desktops, but we customize nothing with each install12:15
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mebaranis pgsql so much faster than mysql12:15
holycownothing12:15
Dr_Melectaushmmm12:15
Dr_Melectausit didnt seem to work12:15
searcher`holycow: but you have to build that initial install12:15
Dr_Melectaussearcher`12:15
searcher`you have to build the servers12:15
searcher`secure them12:15
searcher`that's lots of time12:15
holycowsearcher`, lol, what?12:15
holycowhows that different from any other platform?12:15
holycowthats standard i.t. procedure, how does that haveto do with anything?12:15
searcher`more time then you would spend on just upgrading (because you have already done that for your original windows servers)12:15
holycowheh no12:16
searcher`that's what i'm saying12:16
holycowsearcher`, you are correct, don't be so defensive12:16
holycowjesus12:16
holycowthis isn't kindergarden i'm not attacking you12:16
robotgeek:)12:16
Belutz:D12:16
holycowi'm just saying sure, thats true for you, there are more than one way to slice the cat tho12:16
mebaranX isnt broken in Breezy is it12:16
mebaranas of now12:16
vader1102tmw: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory12:17
holycowa lot of time it really is a lot less expensive, a lot of times its not12:17
vader1102sorry12:17
searcher`holycow: considering i have to have this discussion with most of my team i enjoy hearing other opinions12:17
searcher`holycow: anytime we get a new member it's the same discussion over again12:17
Pixel83vagamente, btw did you check the requirements?12:17
searcher`:-)12:18
robotgeekalrite...gotta sleep now!12:18
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robotgeekcya all later12:18
rkindermebram: if you're prepared to potentially lose X and work to get it back, no, X isn't broken :)12:18
holycowsearcher`, for fuck sakes, who gives a shit about your team and your discussion?12:18
searcher`holycow: linux is great for start up companies though12:18
searcher`holycow: apparantly, you do12:18
rkinders/mebram/mebran12:18
holycowsearcher`, naw i keep on saying 'hey dude, heres this neat situation for us its great'12:18
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robotgeekokay guys..keep it safe in #ubuntu, and for arguments use #ubuntu-offtopic12:18
holycowand you keep on saying 'hey dude i run 30 different sites and its only like this'12:18
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robotgeekholycow, searcher` : please take the discussion elsewhere12:19
robotgeeknite!12:19
holycowwho cares? hey yes your sites run ms, cool.  for us the SLOW switch has been really quite remarkably easy12:19
thoreauputicholycow: adjust your attitude and language please. Each time you come to this channel you start an unnecessary argument12:19
holycowbut we have had to take it slowly12:19
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holycowif we were to swap everything out overnight the costs would rise12:20
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Belutzrobotgeek: have a good sleep :D12:20
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holycowthoreauputic, and i keep on telling you every night your opinion is worthless, i would recommend puttin me on your extra special ignore list12:22
j2dopehi. whats a good voice chat program, other than skype? im thinking like the ol roger wilco type thing?12:22
j2dopei just want something simple.12:22
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Bubbling_Zombieteamspeak?12:23
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j2dopeis that compatible with windows/12:23
thoreauputicholycow: your arrogance, tactlessness and generally antisocial behaviour are immature but faintly amusing :012:23
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Bubbling_Zombieyes j2dope12:23
holycowthoreauputic, wonderfull, enjoy the show then :)12:23
j2dopethanks Bubbling_Zombie :) was just SO sick of trying to get skype's bloody sound working12:23
Bubbling_Zombieyou're gonna need a server and stuff. It's mostly used for counterstrike and the like12:24
j2dopeoh :|12:24
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Erkan``does the default ubuntu installation cd have gnome or kde in it?12:24
j2dopeumm is there any IM software for ubuntu that can handle it? i just wanna chat to my friend over msn basically12:24
raven3x7anyone know how to enable alt+shift to change between languages?12:24
Bubbling_Zombiehttp://www.goteamspeak.com/news.php12:24
datommm, has anybody heard about /dev/inotify not getting created with the latest breezy kernels? (tested with -5- and -6-)12:24
Bubbling_Zombieubuntu = gnome, kubuntu = kde Erkan``12:24
Bubbling_Zombiej2dope i'm not that into voice chat software, sorry :-/12:25
dilchmost negroes use straight ubuntu12:25
Erkan``Bubbling_Zombie, thanks12:25
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MartenHraven: I made a simple implementation for that a cpl of days ago12:26
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holycowBubbling_Zombie, cool link, thx12:27
MartenHraven3x7, took me a while to figure out how to do it but now it works.12:27
raven3x7MartenH, its easy during installation but i dont see any way to do it using the confguration tools12:28
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holycowBubbling_Zombie, have you used teamspeak at all? just curious what your experience with it was12:28
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MartenHraven3x7, to enable switching with alt-shift?12:28
raven3x7dilch ???12:28
raven3x7MartenH, yes12:28
Bubbling_Zombieholycow i used it once. sound quality aint that great (like skype) but we understood each other12:28
dilchraven3x7, you are a negro woman i take it?12:28
Bubbling_Zombieit's not that bandwith expensive too12:28
datofabbione: ah, seems you said something in #ubuntu-kernel12:29
MartenHDidn't know that was possible during installation. You can install several languages but I never found the alt-shift switching....12:29
datonot much, tho12:29
tchmnky*yawn* Nothing quite like Ubuntu breaking sound on a Sunday afternoon... Any clues anyone? Damn Small Linux works just fine with it, but I can't even get cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp to reproduce anything.12:29
raven3x7dilch stop taking crack12:29
holycowBubbling_Zombie, neat.  this could be a cool thing to try12:30
Bubbling_Zombieit is. If you're into that kinda stuff12:30
MartenHraven3x7, anyway, I made it work using xbindkeys and the modmap command, I can help you set it up that way if you want12:30
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raven3x7MartenH, when i installed it with greek as the default it enabled alt-shift by default12:30
raven3x7MartenH, that would be cool12:30
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tucozHi, I can't get sound to work on my laptop. I can see the audio card when I type lspci12:31
Octanethis is such a lame question but i cant figure it out -- i used to have colors in my konsole for dirs, symlinks, etc... but now theyre all gone -- i have played around w/ schemas etc but to no avail anyone know what gives12:32
CreigHey, anyone willing to respond, I am looking for a PCI soundcard which is compatible with linux out of the box. Please advise of such a card. Thanks12:32
Catdaemon`Im using SSH and i closed the window showing what my server app was doing, how to i see what is doing again?12:32
tucozBut kde sends all sound to /dev/null12:32
tchmnkyln -s /dev/null /dev/dsp :)12:32
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tchmnkyThat's a joke. Really, don't do that.12:32
tucozhehe12:32
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tchmnkySound is a pain right now for me too.12:33
tchmnkyIt was working great last night, now Ubuntu just ignores it. Live distros work just grand though.12:33
holycowCatdaemon`, ssh back in again?  :o)12:33
Catdaemon`yeah but12:33
Catdaemon`it just shows12:34
tucozOk, I am actually quite happy right now. I just got my laptop to use 1280x800 resolution. It's beautiful.12:34
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Catdaemon`the normal console window12:34
Catdaemon`not the program's one holycow12:34
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holycowCatdaemon`, hard to guess, depends on the program12:34
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darksatanicCatdaemon`: If you've lost the terminal that was showing the output of a job, then I don't think there's anything you can do to recover it.12:35
holycowhow did you startup your client the first time? and what client is it?12:35
Catdaemon`source dedicated server12:35
tucozbtw, does anyone know if the ubuntu-hoary kernel uses pci-express?12:35
Catdaemon`darksatanic: im doing it via ssh, im not just leaving my comp on so the ssh window stays up12:35
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darksatanicA ssh session is still a terminal.12:36
holycowCatdaemon`, not sure i am not familiar with that app or how it works, it could be anything in the popeline12:36
holycowpipeline even12:36
darksatanic(Well, OK, it's a pseudoterminal, but...)12:36
Catdaemon`pope? lol12:36
holycow>_<12:36
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Catdaemon`i thought it would be easy, obviously not :(12:36
darksatanicI'd suggest using "screen"12:36
rkinderCatdaemon: screen12:36
darksatanicssh in, run screen, run your program inside that shell.12:37
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darksatanicDisconnect from the ssh session, and screen keeps running.12:37
Catdaemon`:o12:37
darksatanicWhen you reconnect, "screen -r" to regain your session.12:37
rkinderCatdaemon: screen is the most useful program in the history of the world... :)12:37
Catdaemon`lol12:38
darksatanicI wouldn't go quite that far...12:38
datofabbione: ok, found about #13056. cheers.12:38
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darksatanicI'm sure sed is more useful. :)12:38
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rkinderdarksatanic: heresy!12:38
rkinders/sed/screen12:39
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tchmnkyAnyone have a clue what would cause catting /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp to not produce any sound when it's the only sound device, and live distros can access the soundcard just fine?12:40
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Will_All randomness in the world has ended.12:40
som1theres no such thing as random12:40
tchmnkyThat was random.12:41
Will_<-trolling BEFORE work now. Hooray for 12 hour shifts 2 days rynning12:41
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tchmnkyI don't think that's the problem - catting /dev/urandom to the terminal gives me aaaaaall sorts of freaky characters and beep codes...12:42
tchmnky:)12:42
tchmnkyI think we still have pseudo randomness.12:42
som1i wanna use a proxy for a game that doesnt support proxies, im not on the gnome thingie and i dont have X running. i have a very good reason to do this, how do i do it by command?12:42
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tikkasom1, been banned?12:43
tikka;p12:43
som1no12:43
Will_som1: some kind of socks magic? I used sockscap on windows for things like that12:43
tikkaWill_, same as you.12:44
tikkaworked ok too12:44
Will_tikka: Huh?12:44
tikkasocks wrapper12:44
Will_ahhh12:44
som1well, i just want to connect by proxy. everywhere12:44
tikkaive used that sockscap also12:44
som1hah it didnt work for me12:44
som1:(12:44
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flooI have just statically compiled kernel 2.6.11 using the ubuntu 2.6.11 source and the generic method of compilation e.g. make mrproper, make, make install.  the kernel  boots without a problem but i can't get the nvidia glx driver to work.  any ideas?12:45
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tikkafloo, i havent a clue but im doing the same with ati at the moment ;/12:46
tikkai got me a nice shiny kernel, 2.6.12.312:47
tikkathe direct rendering is off12:47
tikka;/12:47
flooI know, I would have made it using make -kpkg, which I believe is the Debian way but I don't really understand that method12:48
holycowhard to help on custom kernel issues, but its cool to see people trying to do it them selves :)12:50
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som1how can i tell ubuntu to use a proxy for something or everything?12:51
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AndieBHi all, the Newbie is back!12:52
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AndieBHow do I install jEdit that requires Java?12:56
AndieBRemember, I'm a total newbie, who just left the Microsoft world... :D12:56
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holycowno worries12:57
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som1i thought its gedit, not jedit12:57
holycowAndieB, does jedit simply come in a jar file?12:57
holycowsom1, gedit is a different app for sure12:57
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holycowif it just comes in a jar file you need to install java, then just startup the app as: javae -jar jedit.jar12:58
holycowor something like that12:58
Madpilotspelling counts with CLI... "java -jar jedit.jar"12:58
Madpilot;)12:58
holycowdamnit!12:59
holycowlol12:59
holycowwhat Madpilot said :)01:01
holycowha!01:01
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AndieBholycow: Yes, it does...01:01
Madpilotalthough "javae" sounds like the Latin word for coffee...01:01
Madpilot!java01:01
ubotuhmm... java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.01:01
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MadpilotAndieB: see ubotu's post for java info01:01
holycowheh i had another cool type earlier, typed popeline instead of pipeline01:01
Madpilotpopeline - what the Pontiff uses to get online01:01
Madpilot(the Vatican has a terrible website, BTW...)01:01
reikenhi, juz got ubuntu installed, but can't seem to get my RGB output for a digital projector working.... any hints?01:01
holycowi wouldnt expect the pope to be a good graphic designer01:01
tikkamaybe he is an artist01:01
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Madpilotnot the previous one, anyway. a bit shaky toward the end...01:01
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holycowreiken, can you describe what the issue is more specifically?01:01
helmut__hello01:01
tikkamorning holycow01:02
tikka;p01:02
holycowhi tikka :)01:02
helmut__i have to enter 'iwconfig wlan0 key open' on every boot before i can access the internet. Where can i enter this command to be permanently executed?! (/etc/network/interfaces?)01:02
holycowhelmut__, yes01:02
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redloungehi. anyone using bbacpi here? i can not get it to run...01:03
helmut__holycow, what do i have to enter there?01:03
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wezzer-helmut__: or /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh01:03
helmut__holycow, currently i have a line like "wireless-key 1561561156115165156" in it01:04
holycowthat sounds right, you can man interfaces btw01:04
helmut__wezzer-, will it be executed *before* ubuntu tries to synchronize my clock? :-)01:04
holycowhelmut__, thats not working?01:04
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wezzer-helmut__: I don't know, try :)01:04
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afordhi I am a new ubuntu user wanting to install php501:05
som1aford, use sudo apt-cache search php01:05
holycowaford, k.01:05
reikenok, i've got a IBM R51 where i juz installed ubuntu, the digital projector can't seem to detect any RGB signal despite the fact that everything is connected01:05
reikenit just says no signal01:05
holycowreiken, that is a hardware issue imho01:05
Madpilotaford: php5 has to be compiled. php4 is in Ubuntu's repos.01:05
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holycowreiken, you did properly switch from lcd to video out mode on the laptop with whatever shortcut is required?01:06
Madpilotaford: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PHP5FromSource <-- if you really want to compile php501:06
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aforddoes it take long to install php5?01:07
holycowno, to compile, yes01:07
helmut__wezzer-, thx for the tip i will try it01:07
helmut__holycow, thank you too :-)01:07
luzbelitohi to all. anyone knows how to exe app under WINE windowed and in 1024x768 please???01:07
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Madpilotno idea, I just installed php4. much easier01:07
afordholycow, madpilot: how long will it take to complile?01:07
wezzer-depends on your system01:07
holycowaford, depends on your cpu, not sure offhand01:08
afordits a celeron 200001:08
aford512 ram..01:08
holycowluzbelito, i think you need to run wine-setup or something like that to configure wine it self for that resolution01:08
afordI mean, will it take hours? or under an hour?01:08
holycownot hours no01:08
brammatornot hours01:08
brammatordays maybe01:08
holycowcould be 10 minuts could be 20, not sure never bothered compiling php01:09
Madpilotgot to get some sleep - suddenly it's 0410 here. later, all.01:09
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raven3x7anyone what this means:01:09
holycowMadpilot, weird, are you on the west coast?01:09
raven3x7This is an iso-8859-7 mapping. Use together with "setfont iso07. activated by sending Esc ( K to the console.01:09
Madpilotholycow: yeah. BC01:09
holycowlol no kidding01:09
holycowme too01:09
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Madpilotholycow: where in BC?01:10
holycowvancouver, u?01:10
Madpilotvictoria - overseas from you...01:10
tikkahm01:10
afordI am amazed at how easy this os has been to install!01:10
holycowburgundavia is over there too i think01:10
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holycowneat01:10
luzbelitoholycow, impossible to configure from setup. i think its in command line. i tried to do it, but i can't get it01:11
Crafty-CatcherDoes anyone know how to get lynx work with aview?01:11
Madpilotholycow: yup - even worse: Burgundavia is my younger brother...01:11
holycowehe01:11
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holycowrofl01:11
holycowallrighy :)01:11
co-indhellow01:11
[Spooky] hey folks :)01:11
co-indhow install xmms ?01:11
Madpilotthere's another Ubuntuite over here too. quite a collection...01:11
Random_Sindromco-ind apt-get install xmms01:12
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Madpilotanyway, I really do need sleep. Later, all.01:12
holycowluzbelito, there isnt a resolution pulldown menu from one of the sections on the left hand side?01:12
holycowweird01:12
holycowmaybe it was for something ielse, okay sorry, don't know luzbelito01:12
co-indE: Package xmms has no installation candidate <<<<???01:12
luzbelitohow you invoke linux setup ???? wine-setup doesnt do it01:13
co-indwhy ?01:13
raven3x7noone?01:13
thoreauputicco-ind: you need the universe repository01:13
holycowco-ind, apt-cache search xmms01:13
thoreauputic!rpos01:13
ubotuthoreauputic: I haven't a clue01:13
holycowand you will see :)01:13
thoreauputic!repos01:13
uboturepos is, like, at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto01:13
holycowor that01:13
co-indlibflac6 - Free Lossless Audio Codec - runtime C library <<<01:13
co-indlibsmpeg0 - SDL MPEG Player Library - shared libraries <<< what next ?01:14
holycowyeah hes right, you need universe01:14
Random_Sindromco-ind edit sources file01:14
Crafty-CatcherAnother question is what is the system doing after booting, if you do not enter a login name and pw - bec after a while like 5minutes displaying the login screen the comp start working and fills the RAM with sth. Does onyone know with what it's filling the RAM?01:14
co-indwhere ?01:14
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thoreauputicco-ind: read the page ubotu posted above to see how to add repositories :)01:15
holycowCrafty-Catcher, gnome? depends, how much ram does your system have?01:15
rowanjlHey01:15
Crafty-Catcher200 MB01:15
Crafty-Catcherafter booting about 140MB are filled01:15
Random_Sindromyes...co-ind all that is in the hoary guide01:15
holycowhow gnome needs very little01:15
thoreauputicco-ind:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto  << in case you missed it :)01:15
rowanjlCan I ge Ubuntu to download and install the latest Gnome version? I'm using warty.01:15
Crafty-Catcherafter waiting for 5 minutes 191 MB is filled01:15
holycowCrafty-Catcher, sounds like you have a memory leak01:16
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holycowopen up your system monitor and check which app is taking up the most ram01:16
brian__hi01:16
Crafty-Catcherthe question is what is causing it ;) bec the only thing i installed is lynx, aview and apache01:16
holycowCrafty-Catcher, is your setup headless? or is this on a desktop with gnome?01:17
Crafty-Catcheri didn't login on that machine yet - whats the command via putty command line?01:17
Crafty-Catcherit's a desktop01:17
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Crafty-Catcherbut it's filling the ram without login in and loading all the desktop stuff01:17
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Pixel83Crafty-Catcher, are you talking about apache reporting a memory leak?01:18
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holycowCrafty-Catcher, top should do it01:18
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Crafty-Catcherno i think it happened even before i installed the apache01:18
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warnethi01:19
andreshi01:19
warnetini br ya01:19
holycowmaybe a process is out of control and you need to kill it, i.e. apache? :)01:19
Pixel83it's just because I installed apache yesterday (but under debian sarge) (xampp to be exactly) and apache died just after startup01:19
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Pixel83but thats probably something different.01:19
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warnethi01:20
Raptoidselamlar..01:20
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ircrobcan you run wine on x86-6401:21
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holycowtheoretically debians 64 bit port works, so probably yes01:22
mjrircrob, yes, but you need an environment supporting 32-bit binaries too (like a 32-bit chroot)01:22
holycowoh right what mjr said, right01:22
som1how can i use a proxy for something if that something doesnt support proxies?01:22
Crafty-Catcherhm after reading the top stuff i think it has sth to do with the apche01:22
ircrobmjr: for the dlls ?01:22
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holycowCrafty-Catcher, yeah, kill it and see01:22
holycowshit happens01:22
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mjrircrob, no, for wine01:22
mjrwine needs to be a 32-bit executable01:22
co-indwhy nothing01:23
xxenonis there a package that provide win32 codecs, or shall I copy the DLL's myself ?01:23
co-indxmms01:23
holycowxxenon, yep there is a package01:23
holycow!win32codecs01:23
ubotuholycow: Bugger all, i dunno01:23
holycowdamn :)01:23
holycoww32codecs01:23
holycow!w32codecs01:23
ubotu[w32codecs]  a set of codecs needed to play many common audio and video formats, such as WMV. You can install w32codecs from the hoary-extras repositories (see: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org).01:23
thoreauputic!w32codecs01:23
holycowlol01:23
holycow>_>01:23
thoreauputic:)01:23
xxenonk.01:23
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som1how can i use a proxy for something if that something doesnt support proxies?01:24
raven3x7anyone know why setfont does not exist in ubuntu?01:24
peter__somebodys using initng here?01:25
ircrobis wine in hoary-extras ?01:25
holycowsom1, chances are you can set something up with a bit of work, but you will haveto google it01:25
holycowsetting up proxies can be tricky01:25
holycowif an app doesn't expect a proxy you may have a few difficulties01:25
som1i have a few already01:25
som1thats why i want to use one ..01:25
thoreauputicircrob: wine is in universe01:25
holycowsom1, *nod* irc is really only good for 1 dimensional conversations and questions01:26
som1what?01:26
holycowanything that takes a bit more than two sentences really wont be answered here to any satisfaction01:26
holycowi really do recommend google01:26
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vader1102holycow: that's how I get a lot of answers lol01:27
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holycowvader1102, for the simple quickies its great01:27
holycownothing like peer reviewed support01:27
vader1102and for the detailed fixes too as long as you READ carefully lol01:28
ircrobthoreauputic: have universe in sources, but cannot get wine ?01:28
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thoreauputicircrob: odd - you aren't running amd64 are you?01:28
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ircrobthoreauputic: yes i am01:28
thoreauputicircrob: ah01:28
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thoreauputicircrob: I don't think wine will be available then - it requires 32 bit : you would need a chroot and have to muck about01:29
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holycowircrob, he's right, i've seen a number of 3d animation guys haveto do this as well for their apps01:30
raven3x7hey anyone know how to change gnomes keyboard mapping? not the xserver one?01:30
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Crafty-Catcherok this is wiered when i start the tool which displays me the RAM usage it says it only 110 MB are being used and a cat /proc/meminfo says 189 MB are used01:31
holycowraven3x7, you mean besides system / pref / keyboard?01:31
holycowblah, nm :) ehe01:31
holycowi mean kb shortcuts, there we go01:31
anatole_how do i make gqview the default picture-viewer?01:32
DaeDaluzGnome-panel crashed, is asked if I wanted to restart it, I clicked yes.  and now It keeps giving errors "I've detected a panel already running. and will now exit."01:32
DaeDaluzCan I stop it?01:32
Softarnis it illegal to access other ppls wireless in usa?01:32
Crafty-Catcheryes Softarn01:32
holycowraven3x7, if you mean us vs othercountry layout it should in in keyboard preferences01:32
Softarnhehe sweden rules01:32
Crafty-Catchersomeone was beeing arrested for doing that and has to stay in jail for some time now01:32
raven3x7holycow yes that changes xkb01:33
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raven3x7holycow, i told gnome to override that01:33
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ircrobmay be getting a bit technical, but setup a chroot, but my /home is on another partition, having some problems with that01:33
holycowraven3x7, ah! okay.  just out of curiosity, this results in what exactly that your not looking for?  just curious what the issues is in more depth01:33
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vader1102Craft-Catcher: it is here in Canada too but they don't really enforce it or they would have stores quit selling the snoopers01:34
Crafty-Catcheri know - here in germany they do enforce it but i read the news how canada deals with it01:34
vader1102lol01:34
holycowwhat news about canada?01:34
holycowlink?01:34
vader1102it is funny isn't it01:34
raven3x7holycow i cant change to greek although my default keymap in xkb is greek01:35
Crafty-Catchersomewhere on spiegel.de ;) (in germany of course shout be about 2 month old)01:35
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Crafty-Catchergermany=german01:35
vader1102holy cow we are talking about how the cnandian gvnmt doesn't really enforce the wireless laws01:35
holycowraven3x7, weird :/ i don't have an answer to that i'm sorry01:36
holycowvader1102, well yeah, ehe :)01:36
holycowCrafty-Catcher, i thought you had a link or something?01:36
vader1102I live south of TO and here they sell the snoopers pretty cheap lol01:36
holycowyou must of read this somewhere01:37
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Crafty-Catcheri told you use the seachr function on www.spiegel.de01:37
holycowvader1102, you mean laptops with wireless cards, right? ;)01:37
vader1102yup, I got one and an actuall snooper01:37
holycowCrafty-Catcher, heh, i think your reading some german nonsense01:37
holycow:)01:37
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holycowread some canadian newspapers before you come to a conclusion01:38
anatole_how do i make ls to show only the directories?01:38
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vader1102holycow: he will, we were just chattin about it01:38
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holycowanatole_, ls -d strangely enough :)01:39
holycowyou can man ls too tho :)01:39
Crafty-Catcheri don't have to comment on that - you could say the same in reverse about every country - i just read that they aren't that "active" on catching illegeal wlan users01:39
afordIm trying to install phpMyAdmin, and cant find it in Synaptic01:39
anatole_yep i tried but for some strange reason it does not work the way i want it01:39
anatole_i mean my there are folders and subfolders, and in the subfolders, files01:39
Seveasaford, simply download it from the phpmyadmin site01:39
anatole_i want to list the dirs and subdirs so i tried ls -d -R01:40
vader1102Crafty-Catcher: you are right my friend01:40
holycowCrafty-Catcher, not only is the law on this vague, so is your statement01:40
anatole_but it showed only a "."01:40
afordare there mirrors that I should add to my sources.list for this sort of thing?01:40
holycowthey have caught some dude in toronto in a car surfing kiddie porn on a wireless lang outside someones house01:40
Seveasaford, it requires no 'installing', you put it in a folder unpack it, edit the config and done :)01:40
vader1102sorry for bringing it up01:40
holycowbut he didn't go to the pogey for the wireless access it was for the stuff on his laptop01:40
holycowand the fact he was naked in his car01:40
afordSeveas thanks!01:40
ircrobhere is a mount question, have /home/rob and /media/sda3/rob what do i put in fstab ?01:41
Seveasircrob, depends on what you want :)01:41
ircrobSeveas: /home/rob as the link01:41
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ircrobSeveas: /home/rob as the mount01:42
holycowon the other hand there was some guy in the states that got trumped up on some charges for using a wireless network without auth ... but thats america01:42
Seveasyou know that that makes everything that's currently in /home/rob unreachable....01:42
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holycowwhatever they do does not really apply up here, its lik enight and day between the two countries in terms of how and what they prosecute for01:42
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ircrobSeveas: so mount on /home ?01:43
thoreauputicanatole_: ls -lR | grep ^d should work01:43
vader1102holycow: I appoligized for talking him about this01:43
Seveasircrob, that would make everything currently in /home unreachable :)01:43
tucozIs the correct way to change from gdm to kdm to edit /etc/inittab?01:43
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rowanjlHmm, how do I get rhythembox installed in warty?01:43
holycowvader1102, how come?01:44
Seveasircrob, simply do ln -s /media/sda3/rob /home/rob/rob01:44
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Crafty-Catcherwell anyways holycow as much as i know about canada my plans are to leave germany one day and enter canada ;)01:44
Seveasthat way you'll get a 'rob' folder inside your homedir01:44
vader1102because I realized you were getting upset about it01:44
HiddenWolfrowanjl: it should be installed01:44
Random_Sindromrowanjl: it is installed01:44
thoreauputicrowanjl: it's installed by default - music player01:44
Seveasrowanjl, sudo aptitude install rhythmbox01:44
HiddenWolfrowanjl: and using warty at this piont is terribly outdated01:44
holycowCrafty-Catcher, ehe, okay. why leaving germany?  i'm just curious01:44
rowanjlhah, I hate it when the app has the wrong name01:44
SeveasHiddenWolf, it's still supported :)01:44
anatole_thoreauputic: thanks but that lists files as well :)01:45
luzbelitoi can't install beep media player plugin. can anyone help me ?01:45
holycowvader1102, what?01:45
LokeDKI have this external floppy drive, and it doesn't get mounted automatically.. how do I do that my self?01:45
holycowvader1102, relax01:45
vader1102anyhow, I am sitting reading the text a good way of learning01:45
rowanjlI don't have a copy of any later versions :(01:45
vader1102I am now01:45
ircrobSeveas: there is nothing in /home/rob01:45
kemikrowanjl:  add the hoary repos. and apt-get dist-upgrade01:45
HiddenWolfSeveas: yeah, but it's ancient! :)01:49
kemik!dist-upgrade01:49
tucozDo I just stop gdm, and start kdm instead?01:49
ubotukemik: No idea01:49
rowanjlkemik, how big is it?01:49
tucozwill that make kdm default?01:49
holycowvader1102, as an aside, i don't get this channel sometimes, people get offended by a comma01:49
thoreauputicanatole_: it should only list entries beginning with d  - did you include the pipe?  | grep ^d01:49
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kemikrowanjl:  i dont know, are you on a slow connection ?01:49
vader1102lol01:49
SeveasHiddenWolf, compared to any other distro it's not :)01:49
rowanjlkemik, yep01:49
holycowput an apostrophy on the wrong part of a sentence and we have a flamewar01:49
Seveasrowanjl, 600MB possibly01:49
holycowits irc dudes :)01:49
vader1102sorry I may have mis-read something01:49
Mondoshawanhi! somebody knows how to configure ftpd?01:49
rowanjlSeveas, to big01:49
Seveasrowanjl, then stick with warty :)01:49
kemikrowanjl:  order the CD and upgrade from that then perhaps01:49
Seveasrowanjl, at http://shipit.ubuntu.com you can order free cds01:49
holycowMondoshawan, well depends on the ftpd01:49
HiddenWolfrowanjl: *Free* cd01:49
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Random_Sindromrowanjl...don't you have the hoary cd yet..?01:49
ZincXare there programs to open .gp3 and .gp4 files ?01:49
rowanjlkemik, have done, but thats how I got warty so it makes me wait :/01:49
holycowwhich one do you have installed? and what do you need to confi?01:49
SeveasZincX, what are they?01:49
Random_SindromI upgrade from cd...with no harms...01:49
anatole_thoreauputic: it works now... it lists in some strange way tho :)01:49
ZincXSeveas, guitar pro files01:49
DJ_Necrogamithey need to update Ruby package to 1.8.201:49
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Seveasthey won't DJ_Necrogami01:49
Seveasunless it's a security upgrade01:49
DJ_Necrogami~.~01:49
DJ_Necrogamigah01:49
holycowDJ_Necrogami, just wait for the next release01:49
rowanjlThats right isn't it? If you got a copy of warty from shipit, you have to wait longer to get a copy of hoary...01:49
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holycowreleases are only 6 months appart anyway01:49
SeveasZincX, apt-cache search guitar shows a few candidates...01:49
DJ_NecrogamiNotes to all Users of Rails .. unless ya upgrade/install manually Ruby w/ Rails dont work01:49
rowanjlWhen did hoary arrive? :)01:49
DJ_NecrogamiRubygems wont install01:49
Seveasrowanjl, you will *not* automatically get copys of hoary cd's01:49
Crafty-Catcherbec. i don't like it hehe - i think that the ppl are all only complaining and don't see anymore that they live a much easier and much more comfotable life than quite a lot of other ppl on this world. and furthermore i don't like the government situtaion atm especially the policy how to deal with foreigners (and it seems it's getting worse in the closer future) maybe i think like that bec my fiance is from malaysia01:49
Seveasyou will have to order them01:49
holycowDJ_Necrogami, well, have you tried debian maybe?01:49
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Random_Sindromrowanjl: hoary is already delivered01:49
rowanjlSeveas, I have, but I don't know if it worked01:49
DJ_Necrogamiyea i havent dived into that mess heh01:49
SeveasRandom_Sindrom, it's still being sent out01:49
DJ_Necrogamii need a sources list for debian packages01:49
Seveasthey send 120.000 cds per week...01:49
thoreauputic_anatole_: sorry - ISP cut me off - did you see my post re: pipe?01:50
rowanjlRandom_Sindrom, your point?01:50
holycowSeveas, wow01:50
rowanjlAmazing01:50
MondoshawanOk, i have installed ftpd and i create a new user ... (with ssh i can connect with this user and the homedir. ist the right one) but i can not connect to ftp with this account  why?01:51
DJ_Necrogamiholycow know where i can get deb'01:51
HiddenWolfSeveas: 120.000?01:51
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DJ_Necrogamideb's for my sources.list?01:51
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HiddenWolfDJ_Necrogami: debs for what?01:51
holycowDJ_Necrogami, what?01:51
HiddenWolfUbuntu has everything debian has in it's universe01:51
holycowHiddenWolf, he's looking for a higher version of ruby for ror01:51
DJ_Necrogamii ment for the Debian Package Directory01:51
SeveasHiddenWolf, yes, 120.00001:52
Seveasa total of little over 2 million so far01:52
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rowanjlSeveas, you mean 120,000 right?01:52
SeveasDJ_Necrogami, you mean something like packaged.debian.org / packages.ubuntu.com ..?01:52
vader1102Seveas: I am waiting for mine right now lol, ordered them last week so I have a while to wait lol01:52
HiddenWolfDJ_Necrogami: you'll have to look at the ruby site what the latest version is, and if they supply debs. Then use packages.debian.org to figure out if there are packages for that version01:52
MondoshawanOk, i have installed ftpd and i create a new user ... (with ssh i can connect with this user and the homedir. ist the right one) but i can not connect to ftp with this account  why?01:52
MondoshawanCan somebody help me?01:53
Seveasrowanjl, i meant one-hundred twenty thousand :)01:53
rowanjlYeah01:53
ZincXanyone know ? a program i can use to open guitar pro files ?01:53
vader1102Mondoshawn: if they know the answer they will respond01:53
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holycowZincX, i think only gpro can open those files, however on another note, what kind of guitar do you play?01:53
DJ_Necrogamimeh i installed it manually just i need other libs for what im working on .. its a pain01:53
ZincXholycow, :P electric01:54
anatole_ZincX: dguitar01:54
vader1102brb coffee time and also put a movie in01:54
ZincXanatole_, dguitar ?01:54
holycowehe <_<01:54
anatole_it sucks imo however01:54
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ZincXanatole_, but i can open those files aen ?01:54
anatole_yes01:54
ircrobvader1102: put a movie in what ?01:55
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vader1102my tv dvd player01:55
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ircrobvader1102: i put movies in my PC :-)01:56
vader1102I do when I aint working on them lol01:57
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holycowanatole_, thx for that, i've never heard of it before01:57
holycowneat01:57
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holycowi should package that up01:57
holycowah no need, java, nice01:57
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znhi'm searching a swf decompiler, does anyone know some?01:58
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paulproteus/who #ubuntu01:59
paulproteusOops.01:59
znh:P01:59
rowanjlAnyone know of a repo with php5 in it?01:59
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znhrowanjl: If you want a fast as possible webserver you should compile it from source02:02
paulproteusznh: ?02:03
rowanjltrue02:03
paulproteusznh: Apache is no faster compiled from source than compiled by Ubuntu.02:03
paulproteusznh: People who tell you otherwise don't understand how computers work.02:03
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znhpaulproteus: I disagree, programs from source are always faster, because they are being optimized for the processor02:04
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paulproteusznh: And I disagree - programs optimized for a particular compiler (EXCEPT the really math-heavy ones) tend to be just as fast but have bigger binaries02:04
holycowznh, you have at least one gentoo box on the shefl i'm guessing?02:04
holycow:)02:04
paulproteusand bigger binaries means more cache misses and more loads from disk.02:04
paulproteusznh: Take a computer architecture class.02:04
znhpaulproteus: I had gentoo yes, but that has nothing to do with this02:05
paulproteusznh: Now, *yes*, very math-intensive things like mplayer could benefit.  But not disk-bound programs like Apach.e02:05
paulproteusI didn't bring up Gentoo, holycow did.02:05
holycowznh, i'm kidden :)02:05
rowanjlflamers, now my question?02:06
holycowk. go02:06
znhpaulproteus: dude, apache can be even more intensive as mplayer - if the apache server gets many requests it really does mather if it's compiled from source or not, I have a two webservers at myself - http://www.openhost.nl02:06
paulproteusrowanjl: Oh, right, sorry. ;)02:06
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paulproteusznh: That's false.  Memory-intensive: yes.02:06
holycowoh repo with php5, try backports02:06
paulproteusThat's why bad optimization settings hurt you.  CPU intensive: No.02:06
rowanjlholycow, for warty?02:06
znhpaulproteus: mate, you can say what ever you want, but it really does mather :)02:06
holycowif its not there chances are it doesn't exist as an ubuntu ready binary ... you might google for debian repost for it02:06
paulproteusznh: You can say whatever you want, but I do suggest you take a computer architecture class.02:07
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paulproteusSorry, I was a little harsh.02:07
holycowfor warty? i won't ask but i've not heard of it02:07
tikkameow02:08
rowanjlbark02:08
kemikwoof02:08
vader1102holycow: I was using warty for a week or so, never could get my sound working in it. Hoary did it auto magically02:08
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ArdieMis anyone playing nwn on linux in here?02:08
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holycowvader1102, *nod* yep02:08
raven3x7hi again02:08
holycowhola02:08
kemikbut there's still issues with Hoary and sound02:08
lindsayhello I am trying to access my NTFS partitions through /media in Konqueror, I cant access them unless I go kdesu is there a way to access it as my normal user?02:08
rowanjlI'll end up using either FC4, or Hoary, depending on what cds I get first02:09
thoreauputic!mountwindows02:09
ubotusomebody said mountwindows was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions02:09
holycowkemik, always, both printing and sound are weird areas on linux02:09
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kemiklindsay:  specify uid=1001 and gid=1001 (if thats your user that want acces)02:09
onurhow do i xkill in gnome ?02:09
lindsayhow?02:09
thoreauputiclindsay: the botom part of ubotu's page might help you02:09
onurkemik,  trk msn ?02:09
vader1102when I get my Hoary cd's I am going to convert a few of my customers02:10
thoreauputic*bottom02:10
kemikholycow:  mmh, trying to get CUPS and my printer to work, not having much luck so far02:10
kemikonur:  no02:10
raven3x7anyone seen this x error before http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/84202:10
onurkemik, but you know turkish ?02:10
paulproteuslindsay: Step 4 in particular.02:10
kemikonur:  no, not really02:10
onurok02:10
lindsayhow can I find my UID and GID?02:10
onurhow do i xkill in gnome ?02:10
paulproteusonur: Alt-F202:10
paulproteustype xkill02:10
paulproteusThen notice the mouse cursor goes to the evil xkill thing.  Click on the window you want to blow up.02:11
thoreauputiclindsay: type id in a terminal02:11
onuras a  shortcut like kde ?02:11
rowanjlI have a box where xbill is really xkill :/02:11
rowanjlIts actually running RedHat 5.2 :P02:11
holycowpaulproteus, heh, i've not seen that b402:11
holycowpaulproteus, is that what the force quit applet does too?02:12
onurpaulproteus, any keyboard short cuts like in kde ?02:12
paulproteusholycow: That's not the force quit applet.02:12
paulproteusholycow: This is the force quit applet from 1992. :)02:12
holycowheh02:12
holycow:)02:12
Mezholycow, php5 isnt in bp02:12
paulproteusholycow: It's bound to ctrl-alt-esc in KDE, hence onur's question (and familiarity).  onur, I don't know.02:12
paulproteusonur: Maybe there's a general way to customize keyboard shortcuts in GNOME.02:12
holycowMez, yeah then it probably hasn't been packaged02:12
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onuryeah there is but just curious if theres a built in one02:13
Mezholycow, is there a demand for it/02:13
holycowMez, someone asked for it earlier, so i persume current demmand == 102:13
raven3x7huh now it works?02:13
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holycowhehe02:14
Mezrowanjl, what was that for ?02:14
onurin java applets i can't hear sound (where i know i should) why ?02:15
rowanjlI'm the demand02:15
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PrimoTurboHow can I hide a folder in ubuntu?02:15
onurdoes anyone know ?02:15
thoreauputiconur: just a guess - the java applet doesn't understand esd02:15
LinuxJonesonur, System >> Preferences >> Keyboard Shortcuts02:15
holycowPrimoTurbo, add a . to the beginning of the name02:15
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onurthoreauputic, what is esd ?02:15
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blastmanuhi02:15
PrimoTurboan a?02:15
thoreauputiconur: Enlightened Sound Daemon02:15
onurthoreauputic,  i know that applet gives sound in Suse02:15
PrimoTurboso if it was named test, then it would be atest02:15
kemikPrimoTurbo:  no a "."02:15
PrimoTurboohh02:16
onurthoreauputic, is there a way to fix it ?02:16
PrimoTurbowill the folder then be named .name02:16
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thoreauputiconur: probably Suse is using artsd (if KDE)02:16
holycowheh yes02:16
kemikPrimoTurbo:  yes02:16
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PrimoTurboBecause I'm trying to hide the incomplete folder for limewire02:16
onurLinuxJones,  what am i suppose to find there ?02:16
vader1102I am using suse9.2 on my desktop pc lol02:16
onurthoreauputic, is there way to fix ?02:16
PrimoTurboand limewire uses "Incomplete" I cannot even rename it to "incomplete"02:17
PrimoTurbowill the . mess that up?02:17
kemiknot sure how limewire works, but probably so02:17
onurvader1102, ther are enormous number of bugs in Suse, it is heavy strong and a lot slow02:17
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holycowvader1102, and asking for help in #ubuntu because?02:17
holycow-_-02:17
thoreauputiconur: there probably is, but I don't know it offhand - you could try killing esd before running it02:17
PrimoTurbodamn02:17
kemikPrimoTurbo:  linux is case-sensitive so "incomplete" and "Incomplete" are different names02:17
PrimoTurboalright, thnx anyway02:17
PrimoTurboyeah I know02:17
LinuxJonesonur, you were looking for keyboard shortcuts ?02:18
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thoreauputiconur: I know very little about esd and sound, sorry02:18
onurthoreauputic, but in that case  i cant hear anything02:18
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onurLinuxJones, yeah but there are nothing to do with xkill i suppose02:18
rowanjlI'm not to worried about not having PHP5, after all, every single php editor for linux sucks02:18
thoreauputiconur: did you try it? If it doesn't work you can restart esd with  esd &02:18
onurrowanjl, check out PRADO for php02:19
rowanjlBut one thing, am I stuck with just Firefox PR1!?02:19
onurthoreauputic,  i dont know how to do it02:19
thoreauputiconur: some apps will only make sound without esd02:19
cafuegowtf would you needa _php editor_ for?02:19
rowanjlcafuego, editing PHP?02:19
LinuxJonesonur, you can add a Force Quit applet to your Gnome panel02:19
kemikrowanjl:  gvim ! :)02:19
cafuegosurely you _know_ the api02:19
onurrowanjl, best editor for php is phpeclipse02:19
cafuegovim works fine02:19
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rowanjldie you vile beast!02:20
kemikViM02:20
kemik;)02:20
thoreauputiconur: type  killall esd  in a terminal,   to start esd again type  esd &02:20
onurLinuxJones, how ?02:20
onurthoreauputic,  ok02:20
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cafuegoif(in_array("vim", $good_for_php)) echo "Yeah";02:20
rowanjlonur, one day I'll download that02:20
rowanjlonur, how does it handle xhtml, xml and css?02:21
LinuxJonesonur, right click the panel, click add to panel, scroll down to force quit, then hit add02:21
onurrowanjl, it has autocomplete and , function and class folding just like visual stuodio for php02:21
cafuegobloody hell, my cats are BAD02:21
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rowanjlonur, never used VS02:21
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vader1102I use gedit for the simple reaosn. simple to use02:22
rowanjlSo it has support for xhtml and css?02:22
cafuegoVS is probably the WORST editor I've ever used02:23
onurrowanjl, anyway it is a good thing, i tried vim and the others. Obviously they are good but no specialized on php. Phpeclipse runs on eclipse 3.0.x is far best i saw02:23
cafuegorowanjl: vim? yes.02:23
yonilwhat's the linux "replacement" to windows's ipconfig ?02:23
rowanjlNo, eclipse02:23
kemikeclipse is overall a great IDE02:23
LinuxJonescafuego, cats are bad in general.... I like big lazy dogs :D02:23
kemikyonil:  ifconfig ?02:23
onurLinuxJones, thanx it is done02:23
thoreauputicyonil:  ifconfig02:23
LinuxJonesonur, ;)02:23
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cafuegothey're killing eachother and ran across my pizza02:23
LinuxJonesheh02:23
rowanjlvim isn't gnome like, and its also a pain in the arse02:23
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cafuegorowanjl: Nothing is going to be BBEdit. vim is a good second.02:24
rowanjlNever used BBEdit02:24
rowanjlMac only right?02:24
cafuegoYep02:24
sexcopter8001mbit off the linux topic, but what speed for a p4 would you equate a centrino 1.6 to?02:25
rowanjlI've used PHP edit, its got the best syntax highlighting ever02:25
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Avehelo, is it safe to upgrade into breezy as of now?02:25
vader1102I may try a mac g3 desktop, any suggestions on how to install Linux on it?02:25
cafuegoAve: /topic. (no)02:25
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DJ_Necrogamianyone messed w/ ubuntu and getting 2Wire PCMCIA Wireless Card running?02:25
Avegotcha02:25
cafuegovader1102: Is is a beige one?02:25
vader1102yes lol02:25
poningruAve: whats your level of expertise?02:26
Aveall in caps even02:26
cafuegovader1102: With pain.02:26
Aveused debian since potato for servers and desktop02:26
vader1102I guess, never even fired it up lol02:26
poningruif its high up there with the devs then go for it02:26
cafuegoAve: It will be released in October. Just be patient.02:26
AveI recently put ubuntu into my laptop because I'm sick and tired of TINKERING with my desktops, servers should be enough02:26
cafuegovader1102: Those guys (I think) don't support booting from the Ubuntu CD.02:26
LinuxJonesHere's a sneak preview of the upcoming Gnome 2.12 release scheduled for inclusion with Breezy Badger in October >> http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-12/ !!02:26
poningruAve: if you are remotely familiar with the code base go for it02:26
holycowdoesn't gnome release just before october too?02:26
rowanjlkemik, tell me about gvim?02:26
poningruseptember02:27
holycowLinuxJones, thx! was just curious about that :)02:27
vader1102nope, but it should boot to floppy then maybe point it to the cd02:27
Avebreezy mainly interests bc of the new gnome, if its included02:27
cafuegoholycow: Tht's the point, I think.02:27
LinuxJonesholycow, :D02:27
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cafuegovader1102: Well...02:27
holycowcafuego, i think i'm cluing in on the gameplan here >_>02:27
paulproteusLinuxJones: I saw that on slashdot.  It looks really good.02:27
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kemikrowanjl:  it's gnome-vim02:27
holycowhehehe02:27
holycow<-- slow02:27
LinuxJonespaulproteus, it is gonna be awesome !!02:28
Aveok thanks guys I'll stick with hoary until october02:28
kemikrowanjl:  basically Vim with a gui02:28
rowanjlkemik, can you make vim act more like a standard text editor?02:28
cafuegovader1102: That would be a great idea if there as a bootable floppy image on the CD.02:28
asfraave: what happens in october?02:28
vader1102or maybe I will savemy pennies for a few years and then buy a new notebook and just keep to what I know in a few years02:28
cafuegorowanjl: In what way is vim not a standard text editor?02:28
holycowasfra, next ubuntu release02:28
vader1102true lol02:28
kemikrowanjl:  how do you mean? it's very keyboard-comman intense, but it's a great editor :)02:28
rowanjlI just remember lots of keyboard stuff02:29
kemikyup02:29
onurthoreauputic,   killing esd worked!!02:29
rowanjlOk, I'll try it, where can I get it?02:29
poningruI had a qestion who is the module owner for the keyboard preference?02:29
thoreauputiconur: :)02:29
cafuegorowanjl: Your best bet is ANY editor with syntax highlighting that you like using.02:29
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onurthoreauputic, why do i need esd ?02:29
kemikrowanjl:  apt-get install gnome-vim02:29
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rowanjlcafuego, I'm yet to find the right one02:30
thoreauputiconur: esd is evil but gnome uses it in Ubuntu02:30
cafuegovader1102: Do you have the ppc install cd yet?02:30
kemikrowanjl:  vim-gnome i mean02:30
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cafuegovader1102: Most people tend to eventually settle on either vim OR emacs.02:30
Mezrowanjl: building, cross your fingers02:30
onurthoreauputic, what is  the disadvantage of killing it02:30
holycowonur, as a side point, if you are ever running cedega, and a game doesnt have sound, kill esd there too02:30
thoreauputiconur: you *can* change to dmix and get rid of it02:30
rowanjlMez, cool02:30
holycowthen restart game via cedega02:30
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leethis may be a stupid question, but how do you switch between workspaces with the keyboard?02:31
Mezrowanjl, if it builds properly, I'll poke infinity to make the neccesary changes and then get it backported to official02:31
onurthoreauputic, and how it is that ?02:31
thoreauputiconur: some apps won't work without it in the default Ubuntu setup02:31
paulproteuslee: Ctrl-Alt-Right arrow02:31
paulproteusOr left arrow.02:31
leeaaah, thanks!02:31
vader1102cafugo: I have a hard time using vim so I will look at the emacs then02:31
rowanjlOk02:31
leeit's not mentioned in the docs, and I haven't used gnome in ages02:31
Mezor ctrl tab in kde (for lee)02:31
cafuegovader1102: That went to the wrong person.02:32
rowanjlkemik, no good, E: Package vim-gnome has no installation candidate02:32
cafuegovader1102: Do you have the ppc install cd yet?02:32
thoreauputiconur: I'm not supposed to recommend the ubuntuguide, acording to Seveas and a few other dictatorial types here *wink*02:32
vader1102lol02:32
paulproteuslee: I think I stumbled across it in my usual new-desktop-environment keyboard-mashing. :)02:32
leeMez: thanks handy to know too, thanks02:32
vader1102no idea haven't used the mac yet, not even outof the box...waiting for a rainy day02:32
PrimoTurboI downloaded a firefox theme, how do I install it in ubuntu?02:32
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holycowheh02:33
rowanjlPrimoTurbo, the same way you do everywhere else?02:33
PrimoTurboThe theme is in .tar.bz2 format, where do I need to put it or extract it?02:33
leeI've been using fluxbox and alt-[12345]  for years... hd died so I'm trying out ubuntu02:33
holycowthe nautilus trolls will love 2.1202:33
holycowspatial free nautilus02:33
rowanjlholycow, eh?02:33
holycowhttp://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-12/  <-- check it out02:33
onurThere's bug in Ubuntu about a Turkish character where should apply for it ?02:33
holycowtip goes to LinuxJones for linkage tho02:33
onur this letter02:33
cafuegovader1102: Ah ok. Well, first get the install cd, see if it'll boot. if not, you will need a MacOS install CD as well.02:33
paulproteusholycow: You know, there's always the chance that they're not trolls but real users with different preferences.... :)02:33
paulproteusholycow: And to slashdot.02:34
vader1102okidoki02:34
holycowpaulproteus, amen, tell that to folks around here tho :)02:34
vader1102I think they said it has mac os 8?02:34
thoreauputicpaulproteus: say it isn't so ! :D02:34
cafuegovader1102: Plan B involved a tool called BootX.02:34
cafuegovader1102: OS8 is fine.02:34
DJ_Necrogamiok i downloaded the pcmcia Drivers how do i install them02:34
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vader1102kool02:34
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vader1102I will try it sometime in the next couple of weeks.02:35
cafuegoDo you know what size disk it has?02:35
j2dopeany gnome meeting users in here?02:35
vader1102j2dope: not me02:35
DJ_Necrogamianyone know of any TV/FM Capture Software02:35
DJ_NecrogamiCapture/Tuner02:36
j2dopei just wanna test it out with someone but oh well02:36
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Mezrowanjl, I'm not gonna build php5 now - it's broken in breezy02:36
vader1102I have my router blocking them ports and don't want to open then :)02:36
holycowevolution is polishing up for easier integration with hula, oh that could be damned cool02:36
holycowespecially after evolution is ported to windows02:37
rowanjlholycow, now all nautilus needs is gecko :) And then I can rid myself of ugly looking firefox forever02:37
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rowanjlported to windows?02:37
DJ_Necrogamilol02:37
holycowrowanjl, hehe, i've been actually using epiphany, i like the integration with gnome02:37
rowanjlMez, ok :)02:37
cafuegorowanjl: Konqueror runs fine in Gnome.02:37
holycowrowanjl, i read somewhere novell hired someone to port evo to windows02:38
holycowi haven't seen any project pages yet tho02:38
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paulproteusI would stop using Firefox for Konqueror, but I'm too addicted to all the extensions.02:38
d_igoodmorning guys :)02:38
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holycowheh! custom cursors! oh joy! now i can't wait for the first piece of cursor spyware to appear on the scene02:39
holycow>_<02:39
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holycowpaulproteus, i'm finding it hard without flash blocker and ad blocker and a few others *nod*02:39
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paulproteusholycow: KDE 3.5 will have an adblock for Konqi, at least.02:39
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Hoshimaruhi. What package contains "mkfontdir" ? X in Breezy beacuse of that I guess02:40
rowanjlholycow, I don't much like epiphany, but that could be because of the lack of features02:40
Hoshimaru*is broken02:40
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DJ_Necrogamimeh!02:40
paulproteusHoshimaru: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Apt-file02:40
cafuegoThe Gnome developers should ask apple for the Aqua code <heh>02:40
holycowrowanjl, yeah its meant to be simple02:40
Hoshimaruthx paulproteus02:40
vader1102bbl need to go and have something to eat and maybe get some coffee from the wireless cafe02:40
thoreauputic!find mkfontdir02:40
paulproteusapt-file search mkfontdir02:40
rowanjlholycow, but I'd love my extensions :P02:40
holycowpaulproteus, really? neat!  i honestly haveto say that i miss konqueror from kde02:40
cafuegothoreauputic: Did you upgrade breezy, naughty man?02:40
ubotuUbuntu Search of 'mkfontdir' (1 shown): (/usr/X11R6/bin/mkfontdir) in x11/xutils.02:40
holycowits the swiss army knife of file browsers02:41
nimrahello, I am new and trying to install Kubuntu onto my USB ipod HDD02:41
cafuegoHoshimaru: Aha, YOU did.02:41
thoreauputiccafuego: no way :)02:41
nimracould someone give me some help02:41
cafuegoHoshimaru: Did you miss the /topic ?02:41
holycownimra, helo?02:41
Hoshimaruyes :s I kind of missed it :p02:41
holycowusb ipod hd?02:41
holycowwhat do you mean install?02:41
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rowanjlI think Nautilus will end up being alot better than Konq02:42
cafuegoHoshimaru: *sigh* Downgrade xutils to a previous version. -33 or -36 or soemthing.02:42
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Hoshimaruk02:42
nimraI want to install ubuntu for my computer, but not on my computer's hard-disk, but on the ipod's USB harddisk02:42
holycowrowanjl, i actually have gotten to like spatial nautilus, but then i also like gimp ui :)02:42
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rowanjlBleh :P02:42
rowanjlThe Gimp is improving mind youi02:42
holycownimra, does your bios support usb hd's?02:43
holycowif yes, you should be able to install it there just as if it was any other usb hd02:43
nimrai'm not too sure, its a pretty new computer, made last year, P4 HT and everything02:43
rowanjlWill Gnome 2.12 be ready for the next ubuntu?02:43
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wellsohi ppl02:43
cafuegorowanjl: Yes.02:44
holycowrowanjl, gnome always comes out a month beforeubuntu02:44
cafuegorowanjl: Ubuntu always releases a month or so AFTER Gnome.02:44
rowanjlCool! :)02:44
LinuxJonesrowanjl, yeah02:44
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wellsohow do i change my default media player in gnome02:44
holycowas cafuego has pointed out, by design :)02:44
wellso?02:44
cafuegoomg! it compiles! ship it!02:44
nimraI tried before but it stuff up when it tried to install the booter02:44
nimraand it came up with a boot error when i started up the comp02:45
holycowwhat error?02:45
rowanjlHow long untill the next release anyhow?02:45
nimraerror 2 or something02:45
holycowg2.12 has a neat system tools starutp/stop thingy02:45
holycowneato02:45
cafuegorowanjl: It will be Ubuntu 5.1002:46
cafuegorowanjl: (Year 5, Month 10)02:46
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LinuxJonesholycow, a long overdue feature02:46
wellsoanyone here on kubuntu?02:46
holycownimra, i'm not sure to be honest, i've never installed any os from scratch on a usb based hd, perhaps i should give it a try this weekend to see02:46
cafuegowellso: Everyone on #kubuntu is.02:46
rowanjlcafuego, I see!02:47
wellso:)02:47
cafuegorowanjl: Hoary (5.04) was released in april.02:47
rowanjlYep02:47
rowanjlI placed my order for cds in May, still waiting :(02:47
kemik!wmv02:47
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ubotuWish i knew, kemik02:47
kemikblah02:47
kemikwmv support in Totem?02:47
cafuego!RestrictedFormats02:48
ubotuI heard restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'02:48
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Raskallhowdy02:48
holycow!w32codecs02:48
ubotumethinks w32codecs is a set of codecs needed to play many common audio and video formats, such as WMV. You can install w32codecs from the hoary-extras repositories (see: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org).02:48
nimrawhats the difference between GRUB and LILO?02:48
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DJ_Necrogami"vdr: please turn off UTF-8 before starting VDR" how would i turn of UTF-802:48
wellsoGRUB is better :)02:48
cafuegonimra: Design, age, flexibility.02:48
wellsoLILO had a tendancy to mess up my MBR02:49
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Raskallare there any gui-tools in ubuntu that lets the user change the boot order in grub? my father wants windows as the default in grub and I am not sure he is capable of editing menu.lst.02:49
cafuegowellso: That's where it lives. Of course it overwrite it.02:49
wellsoi know it overwrites it, it had a tendancy to make it unrecoverable02:50
nimrais there anyway to install Kubuntu or Ubuntu on a NTFS hard disk without completly reformatting it?02:50
holycowRaskall, just change the oreder of windows and ubuntu in the menu.lst file :)02:50
cafuegonimra: No.02:50
holycowRaskall, make sure you just keep a backup copy and a knoppix live cd for rescue purposes02:50
cafuegonimra: Well, you can resize the ntfs partition first. But _make_ _a_ _backup_ first02:51
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LinuxJonesnimra, don't install Linux on an ntfs partition02:51
paulproteushttp://grime.sourceforge.net/ - GUI grub editor02:51
wellsoyeah, NTFS is a bit sloppy on Linux02:51
nimrahow do I resize a NTFS?02:51
paulproteusnimra: For what it's worth, all my experiences resizing NTFS have gone fine.02:51
Raskallholycow: _I_ know how to do it, hell, I'm a linux sysadmin. But I need to help my father to do it over the phone. It would be very convenient with a gui-app.02:51
paulproteusRaskall: See link02:51
thoreauputicRaskall: can you walk him through it? I don't think there's a GUI for it, but it would be a good idea methinks02:51
holycowRaskall, ooos! sorry bro :) didn't read that into the q.  i'm sorry i dont know02:51
paulproteusRaskall: According to grime.sf.net, gnome-system-tools has a configurator for grub.02:52
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thoreauputicpaulproteus: aha! thanks02:52
paulproteushttp://www.gnome.org/projects/gst/screenshots/boot.jpg02:52
paulproteushttp://grubconf.sourceforge.net/ , too02:52
paulproteusThese links were all on grime.sf.net02:52
holycowoh, no kidding02:52
holycownice, thx for linkage02:52
cafuegoGnomne 2.12 will include it.02:52
nimraany help on how to resize a NTFS?02:52
Raskallpaulproteus, holycow, paulproteus: getting him to install apps not in apt is way harder than just guiding him through editing menu.lst02:53
kemiknimra:  partition magic02:53
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LinuxJonesnimra, the Hoary installer can resize but you should do a defrag/disk scan first02:53
holycowRaskall, how about sudo gedit?02:53
cafuegoRaskall: Can you make him enable ssh and just fix the problem yourself?02:53
Raskallholycow: that will be the way. :)02:53
nimrathank you :)02:54
holycowRaskall, or getting him to startup the remote admin tool? ssh in?02:54
Raskallcafuego: :) he is completely incompetent in dsl-router setup.02:54
holycow*high five*02:54
holycowhaha02:54
cafuegoRaskall: Why doesn't he haved a Mac?02:54
Raskallhmm.. maybe I actually set that up a loooong time ago.02:54
holycowcafuego, thats going to be in 2.12? nice02:54
PrimoTurbowhat's the command to rename a folder?02:54
cafuegoholycow: Yep.. saw it in breezy.02:54
cafuegoPrimoTurbo: mv name newname02:55
Raskallwell.. I'd better call him... :)02:55
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PrimoTurbothnx02:55
thoreauputicRaskall: good luck :)02:55
paulproteusRaskall: I suggest creating your own package repository for him.02:55
holycowi wonder how gstreamer will perform in 2.12, i'm not complaining about current installation but it doesn't have same performance quality as xine02:55
PrimoTurbowhat's the command to move a directory from one play to another?02:56
PrimoTurbothnx02:56
paulproteusholycow: I *am* going to complain about gstreamer.  It sucks totally for playing anything.02:56
PrimoTurboplace*02:56
cafuegoPrimoTurbo: again, 'mv'.02:56
paulproteusPrimoTurbo: mv02:56
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PrimoTurbok02:56
holycowpaulproteus, ehe :)02:56
holycow<-- diplomatic02:56
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PrimoTurboso mv /etc/sfdas /root/sfdas02:56
PrimoTurbowould that work?02:57
paulproteusholycow: Sometimes I am.  I hadn't had breakfast and I'd been IRCing for the past two hours, so I'm a bit crankier than usual. :)02:57
paulproteusPrimoTurbo: You might have to sudo it.02:57
cafuegoas longas they're on the same disk, yes.02:57
PrimoTurboyeah I know02:57
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paulproteuscafuego: ?  They needn't be on the same disk...02:57
paulproteuscafuego: It'd just be slower if they're not.02:57
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paulproteusPrimoTurbo: Generally speaking, try stuff yourself. :)02:57
cafuegopaulproteus: they fixed that? I'm sure 'mv' didn't used to work across filesystems02:57
cafuegoOr maybe I'm stuck in 199502:57
holycowokay, imho g2.12 is awesome02:57
paulproteuscafuego: The rename() system call doesn't work across filesystems.02:58
flipydo I have to tweak something to make my apache2 accessible from outside my lan network?02:58
paulproteuscafuego: But mv has been more than a wrapper around rename() for ages....02:58
cafuegopaulproteus: I'm _OLD_02:58
paulproteuscafuego: Okay. :)02:58
poningruflipy: allow outsiders into your lan network?02:58
holycowLinuxJones, once again, thx!02:58
poningruand put the apache file as read for outsiders02:58
flipyponingru: yes, to access my webserver02:58
poningruthen no clue02:58
cafuegopaulproteus: Then again, I haven't actually moved dist across filesystems for _years_. ln is my friend.02:58
flipyok02:58
PrimoTurbopaulproteus: I would but I ussually mess up, i'd rather ask twice then mess up02:58
flipythanks02:58
paulproteusPrimoTurbo: Well, okay.02:59
PrimoTurbothanks guys for help02:59
paulproteusEventually you'll get better at this stuff. :)02:59
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PrimoTurboDoes anyone know how to install downloaded firefox themes03:01
ChurcH_of_FoamYanyone know why my box dosen't see my ipod?03:01
PrimoTurbonot from a site but ones that I have downloaded03:01
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cafuegoPrimoTurbo: Just open the themes prefs and add 'em03:01
cafuegoChurcH_of_FoamY: it has no eyes03:02
ChurcH_of_FoamY>.< lol03:02
ChurcH_of_FoamYnot quite the answer i was looking for03:02
PrimoTurboThere is no option?03:02
PrimoTurbohttp://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=2485803:02
PrimoTurbothat's the theme03:02
kostkonPrimoTurbo: you need an extension03:02
anatole_file searching on linux is amazing03:02
anatole_:o03:02
PrimoTurboextension to install a theme?03:02
kostkoniPrimoTurbo: that allows you to install downloaded themes03:03
cafuegoPrimoTurbo: drag and drop the theme file onto the firefox window03:03
PrimoTurboi'll try03:03
kostkonPrimoTurbo: yes!!03:03
holycoweh what? extensions?03:03
ChurcH_of_FoamYso anyone know why i can't use my ipod on my linuxbox?03:03
cafuegoholycow: femes03:03
holycowheh03:03
cafuegoChurcH_of_FoamY: are you a paraplegic?03:03
PrimoTurbodoesn't work03:03
kostkonPrimoTurbo: search for this specific extension! trust me!!03:04
PrimoTurbodrag and drop doesn't work firefox just opens a download03:04
PrimoTurbowhat is it called?03:04
ChurcH_of_FoamYno i'm not why?03:04
anatole_ChurcH_of_FoamY: format it to fat32 in windows03:04
kostkonPrimoTurbo: there is one, i dont remember its name03:04
PrimoTurbotheme extension?03:04
anatole_then use gtkpod under linux03:04
PrimoTurboi'll take a look03:04
cafuegoChurcH_of_FoamY: Just guessing. you're not being very forthcoming with info..03:04
kostkonPrimoTurbo: yeah, it allows you to install themes that you have on your hard drive03:04
poningruPrimoTurbo: did you get it working?03:05
PrimoTurboI didn't get the firefox theme working yet and I cannot find this extention yet03:05
PrimoTurbostill looking03:06
PrimoTurbodo u remember any part of it's name?03:06
ChurcH_of_FoamYok i tryed my ipod on the wifes computer with my usb 2.0 card and it works without a hitch (stupid Windows >.<) but i put the card and my ipod on here and nothing03:06
ChurcH_of_FoamYit dosen't even see it03:06
kostkonPrimoTurbo: search the themes site with the word "theme"??03:06
rowanjlGrr, I wish Gnome would let me use Ctrl + ArrowKey to select chunks of text...03:06
cafuegoChurcH_of_FoamY: Does the machine detect the usb2 card?03:06
ChurcH_of_FoamYi even tryed the onboard usb ports and it's the same deal03:06
ChurcH_of_FoamYyes the machene sees the usb 2.0 card as a belkin03:06
poningruPrimoTurbo: what version of firefox are you running03:06
ChurcH_of_FoamYand that's what it is a belkin03:06
poningruand which version of the theme did you download?03:07
holycowPrimoTurbo, wait, you mean tools/tehemes doesn't work for ya?03:07
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cafuegoChurcH_of_FoamY: Anything in 'dmesg' when you plug the iPod in?03:07
cafuegoChurcH_of_FoamY: Are you running a self-compiled kernel?03:07
ChurcH_of_FoamYnothing even shows up03:07
ChurcH_of_FoamYno03:07
ChurcH_of_FoamYi used the Ubuntu install cd03:07
ChurcH_of_FoamYthat i orderd03:07
cafuegoChurcH_of_FoamY: Are the usb2 modules loaded?03:08
PrimoTurbo1 sec I think I found it03:08
cafuegoChurcH_of_FoamY: check 'lsmod | grep ehci'03:08
kostkonPrimoTurbo: what?03:08
PrimoTurboholycow: it works for online themes03:08
thoreauputicPrimoTurbo: http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/more-info/themer03:08
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holycowPrimoTurbo, you cant drag the theme file into the theme popup?03:09
ChurcH_of_FoamYok um what am i looking for in there03:09
ChurcH_of_FoamYehci_hcd               32708  003:09
ChurcH_of_FoamYusbcore               119000  4 ehci_hcd,ohci_hcd,uhci_hcd03:09
PrimoTurbono, it doesn't work I tried already03:09
ChurcH_of_FoamYis what shows up03:09
kostkonPrimoTurbo: why you didnt go to the firefox themes site and went to mozdev?03:09
PrimoTurbothe drag theme03:09
PrimoTurboI did03:09
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poningruPrimoTurbo: did you try the open file thing?03:09
cafuegoChurcH_of_FoamY: run 'tail -f /var/log/kern.log' then unplug and replug the iPod03:09
PrimoTurboworks now thanks for help03:09
thoreauputicPrimoTurbo: did you see the URL I posted?03:09
PrimoTurboyeah I got the extention03:09
ChurcH_of_FoamYkk03:10
moparfan90can someone hat uses fluxbox please PM me.03:10
PrimoTurboand installed from harddrive03:10
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thoreauputicmoparfan90: what's the problem?03:10
kostkonPrimoTurbo: ok, but maybe the firefox extensions site at mozilla.org will have a newer version03:10
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kostkonPrimoTurbo: of the Themer extension03:11
holycowweird03:11
PrimoTurboalright I'll check it out03:11
moparfan90thoreauputic, i need help opening programs and getting a theme ownloaded and opened03:11
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TrynemjoelDoes annyone have a link for Terminal-commands ? the "help" menu is a bit...useless..03:11
ChurcH_of_FoamYok i'm waiting for the ipods battery to charge back up03:11
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ChurcH_of_FoamYso that i can try this03:11
thoreauputicmoparfan90: there are excellent docs at http://fluxbox.org03:12
SeveasTrynemjoel, terminal commands..?03:12
cafuegoChurcH_of_FoamY: it should charge through the usb link03:12
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ChurcH_of_FoamYno for some reason it dosen't03:14
thoreauputicmoparfan90: at http://fluxbox.org/docbook.php you can download or view them in several formats and languages: very useful and readable03:14
Trynemjoelduring installation i wasn't promped for setting a root pass. is there a default one or isnt there anny set if so?03:14
ChurcH_of_FoamYi found the ipod in a snow bank last winter and i had to buy a secondhand non apple connector for it03:14
ChurcH_of_FoamYfor some reason it will not charge off of the usb port and i don't know why03:15
cafuegoWhy does this retarded software assume Melbourne is Melbourne, FL?03:15
cafuegobloody yanks03:15
thoreauputicTrynemjoel: look at ubotu's URL below03:15
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thoreauputic!root03:15
ubotu[root]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo03:15
moparfan90whats nother lighwaeight windows manager that is good.03:15
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Trynemjoelthanks thoreauputic03:15
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thoreauputicTrynemjoel: you're welcome :)03:16
RaskallI obviously under-estimated my father.. he is very competent in following instructions03:16
holycowRaskall, hehe :)03:16
thoreauputicmoparfan90:  http://xwinman.org03:17
holycowdid you actually have him use gedit?03:17
holycowjust curious03:17
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Softarnokej so ive made a ext3 partition to install ubuntu on, but my brother talked about some other parition that i need03:24
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Softarndo i need another one?03:24
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thoreauputicSoftarn: swap perhaps, or a separate /home partition or both (you need at least swap)03:25
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thoreauputicbut the installer does the swap for you if you let it auto partition03:25
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Softarnokey but ill make one on my own... how big should it be?03:26
Softarnlike ram?03:26
LinuxJonesSoftarn, how much ram do you have ?03:26
Softarn51203:26
thoreauputicSoftarn: how much RAM do you have?03:26
thoreauputicLinuxJones: heh03:26
Softarn:)03:26
thoreauputicSoftarn: 512 swap dhould be enough unless you do intensive video editing or something03:27
LinuxJonesSoftarn, make it like 500 megs or so more than that is a waste03:27
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Raskallhmm.. why does laptop_mode complain about missing /dev/hda when I shut down my computer? I have no /dev/hda on this computer.03:27
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Chaotic_Shieldhehehe03:28
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Softarnok thx... guess that one should be in ext3 to03:28
Softarn?03:28
kemikLinuxJones:  you really should quit :P03:28
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thoreauputicSoftarn: no03:28
kemikSoftarn:  no, "swap"03:28
thoreauputicSoftarn: linux swap (type 82)03:28
kemikSoftarn:  why not use guided partitioning, it's much better if you're new to the install procedure03:29
Softarnoh :P03:29
RaskallChaotic_Shield: wireless is ok for surfing and irc, but try to copy files over wifi.. it's like getting your pubic hairs slowly pulled out one by one.03:29
Chaotic_Shieldkemik, it's better if you're new to installing operating systems03:29
Chaotic_ShieldRaskall, O_O. 802.11g baby. 33mbps.03:29
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kemikChaotic_Shield:  to do it manually or guided??03:30
RaskallChaotic_Shield: :) you don't copy very large files on your lan, do you? ;)03:30
Chaotic_Shieldkemik, guided.03:30
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Chaotic_ShieldRaskall, I am my LAN :)03:30
Chaotic_Shieldnow.03:30
Chaotic_ShieldAnyone know where libcurl gets installed to if you apt-get it?03:31
linoleumhello, I got a question m: since I have installed the Nvidia drivers , my mouse cursos get some strange : it blink very often when the system load something, like firefox a web page03:31
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Chaotic_ShieldI'm compiling Unreal 3.2.3 and I want to enable remote includes, but to do that I need to find libcurl. Anyone know where it is?03:31
thoreauputicChaotic_Shield: "locate libcurl" suggests it is in /usr/lib/03:32
RaskallChaotic_Shield: in that case I agree. I have a 20 meter cat5-cable next to my switch for when I need fast net to my server.03:32
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Chaotic_ShieldThomasWaldmann, I forgot about that command :) Thanks.03:32
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Chaotic_Shieldmeh. I never need to transfer anything large.03:33
thoreauputicChaotic_Shield: I'm assuming that was a tab complete error ;)03:33
Chaotic_Shieldyes it was.03:33
Chaotic_Shield:-P03:33
thoreauputic:)03:33
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Chaotic_Shieldstill.03:34
Chaotic_ShieldCan't freakin beat tab.03:34
Chaotic_Shieldlazy man's way of highlighting.03:34
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Chaotic_Shieldyay!03:35
Chaotic_ShieldUnreal compiled.03:35
tucozHi, I am trying to get wireless to work. But... I cannot find out if my wireless is supported by ubuntu. I am on a restricted connection. Is intel pro/wireless 2200BG supported?03:35
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PrimoTurboHow do I find my kernel version? I need it to install drivers.03:36
Chris_Tuckeri installed apache with apt-get, followed by php4cgi. how do i load the module in my httpd.conf for php and cgi so that the server executes these files rather than allowing the client browser to download the .php or .cgi?03:36
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thoreauputicPrimoTurbo: uname -r03:36
tucozIf it isn't. I need to download it via http and dpkg -i it.03:36
PrimoTurboty03:36
matthew_how do i customise my ubuntu desktop? anyone?03:36
tucozthe driver that is03:36
Chaotic_ShieldChris_Tucker, have you checked out Apache's documentation?03:36
Chris_TuckerChaotic_Shield, no.03:37
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Chaotic_Shieldhttp://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/03:37
Chaotic_Shieldcheck it out.03:37
Chaotic_Shieldtells you everything you need to know03:37
Chaotic_Shieldand also Google for some tutorials on how to configure Apache to use your PHP and CGI libs.03:37
thoreauputicmatthew_: a start is to install gnome-themes-extras from synaptic03:37
thoreauputic!info gnome-themes-extras03:38
ubotugnome-themes-extras: (various themes for the GNOME 2 desktop), section universe/gnome, is optional. Version: 0.8.1-0ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 3926 kB, Installed size: 17556 kB03:38
matthew_ok search for those and install them?03:38
Chris_Tuckerive done it in windwos before but never linux :/ always used a prebundled compileable package in linux till i went debain based03:38
thoreauputicmatthew_: you'll need the universe repository03:38
levanderThere is a python interface to curses packaged in ubuntu?03:38
thoreauputicmatthew_: no, just use the synaptic package manager03:38
matthew_ok thanks03:38
majicanyone know if there is a lighthttpd package for Ubuntu? I can't seem to find one.03:38
thoreauputic!synaptic03:38
ubotuextra, extra, read all about it, synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto03:38
Chaotic_Shieldlevander, don't think so. Use Synaptic to find and install it.03:38
levanderChaotic_Shield: if there's no curses package for ubuntu, how am I going to find it with synaptic?03:39
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matthew_downloading it now03:39
Chaotic_Shieldyou said packaged in ubuntu, I assumed you meant came preinstalled. My mistake.03:40
Mondoshawanhas somebody a sample ftpd.conf  file for "ftpd" server?03:40
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Mondoshawani need to activate PASV mode on my ftpd03:40
matthew_gnome-themes-extras has been downloaded, how do i install it? or has it been done automatically?03:40
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thoreauputicmatthew_: automagically :)03:41
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matthew_oh :D03:41
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thoreauputicmatthew_: just open up the themes dialogue03:41
Chaotic_ShieldCan anyone help me with this ----> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/843 ? I'm trying to compile Unreal 3.2.3.03:41
matthew_yes, i've got a few more03:41
matthew_thanks for the help03:41
sorush20guys when I try to write to a DVD... or get information form it by clicking on the properties I get the error malformed Url03:41
levanderah! there's a curses interface for perl and ruby, but don't see one for python.  Thought ubuntu was supposed to be 'python centric'?03:41
Seveaseverything you install with apt-get/aptitude/synaptic is installed. That's why it's called install :)03:41
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sorush20can anyone help please..03:41
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thoreauputicmatthew_: gnome-look.org is a good place to browse :)03:42
Seveaslevander, python has curses in the standard lib03:42
aedwards_Does Hoardy allow you to use grub at install?03:42
Chaotic_Shieldyes aeddan03:42
Chaotic_Shielddoh.03:42
levanderSeveas: great! thanks03:42
Chaotic_Shieldaedwards_*03:42
levanderChaotic_Shield: i don't think you're going to get around that error without the curl.h file.  Is there some configure script or something that's supposed to generate curl.h that you didn't run?03:43
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Chaotic_ShieldLemme check.03:43
matthew_thanks03:44
Chaotic_Shieldthere appears to be.....but it needs ares....03:44
SeveasChaotic_Shield, apt-get install libcurl-dev03:44
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Chaotic_ShieldGood ol' Synaptic for me Seveas03:45
SeveasChaotic_Shield, apt-get install libcurl3-dev03:45
Seveasfine :)03:45
Seveasbut you need that package :)03:45
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Chaotic_ShieldI need the libcurl dev package?03:45
Chaotic_ShieldOdd....03:45
Seveaswell, the program asks for it :)03:45
Chaotic_Shieldnot exactly.03:45
asfraI have an external harddrive with alot of mp3's and videos. The filesystem is FAT32 and I all the files are downloaded using Win xp. Is this why I can't seem to play them wiht ubuntu?03:46
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levanderChaotic_Shield: if it's trying to include files from it, it's asking for it03:46
afordnew to ubunto - I installed the php4 and mysql options, but it still does not seem to have php working with mysql yet.  Is there any other modules that I need to install?03:46
Seveasit needs curl.h to define LIBCURL_VERSION, that should be interpreted as: install libcurl3-dev or I won't work03:46
thoreauputicChaotic_Shield: 99% of the time when compiling, missing needs will be -dev packages03:46
Seveasasfra, no03:46
Seveasasfra: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support03:46
Chaotic_Shield=\03:46
levanderasfra: no, FAT32 is supported by linux03:46
levanderasfra: can you mount the drive?03:46
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asfrayeah, I can mount the drive, it's no problems like that03:47
Seveasaford, for mysql to work on the local machine you need to have libapache2-mod-php4, mysql-server and php4-mysql03:47
asfrabut xmms and similar progs just chrash when I try to play the files03:47
levanderaford: php4-mysql03:47
Seveasasfra: To make xmms or beep-media-player actually play things, change the audio output plugin to eSound03:47
Chaotic_Shield=\03:47
Chaotic_Shieldok03:47
Chaotic_Shieldso I got past that error.03:47
lokdoes the X probleme has been solve actually on breezy ?03:47
Chaotic_ShieldNow I have another libcurl error.03:47
asfraSeveas: ok, great! I'll try that03:48
SeveasChaotic_Shield, paste it at the pastebin :)03:48
levanderChaotic_Shield: you know what version of libcurl this application wants?03:48
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afordSeveras - php4-mysql does not come up in my search though synaptic03:48
Chaotic_ShieldNone at all.03:49
levanderaford: search again, it's in there03:49
Seveasaford, then enable universe03:49
Chaotic_Shieldhttp://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/84403:49
thoreauputicaford: apt-cache policy says it's in universe03:50
SeveasChaotic_Shield, hmm, didn't libcurl3-dev install libcurl3 with it?03:50
Chaotic_ShieldI have libcurl3....03:50
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Chaotic_ShieldIt's installed now.03:50
Chaotic_ShieldThat's the error I get when I try with the dev packages installed.03:50
afordSeveas, how do I enable universe?03:50
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Seveasaford: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto03:50
Seveasaford: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3803:50
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SeveasChaotic_Shield, remove the libcurl packages again and install libcurl2-dev and libcurl203:51
Seveasmaybe that works better03:51
Chaotic_Shielddunno, let's try.03:51
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Chris_Tuckerhahha03:51
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Chris_TuckerChaotic_Shield, turns out i only downloaded the cgi addin for php03:52
Chris_Tuckeri never got the php4 base package03:52
Chaotic_Shieldlol03:52
Chris_Tuckerim going to get something to eat while this downloads, dialup.03:52
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flojhi everybuddy03:54
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faensudo eject03:56
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Chaotic_Shieldfscking hell.03:57
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Chaotic_ShieldI can't uninstall libcurl3.03:57
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flojI'm unable to compile a new kernel using the actual .tar.gz sources as released. Ubuntu5.04 says it can't find GTK-2-0 among others. kubuntu says it can't find QT (unavailable in the kubuntu distro). I'll appreciate some help03:57
Chris_Tuckereven with dpkg -r ?03:57
Chris_Tucker( @Chaotic_Shield )03:58
Chaotic_Shieldah.03:58
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faenI'm having tons of trouble with my cdrom drive, can't burn can't eject and I don't see what could be blocking it03:58
elwoodfaen,  permission problem?03:58
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faenhmm, i'll check03:59
globuleHi all !03:59
Chris_Tuckerfloj, if your really serious about manually compiling the kernal, then sudo apt-get <what the tar.gz asks for>03:59
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Chaotic_ShieldChris_Tucker, do I just do dpkg -r libcurl3?04:00
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faenhmm, weird.. maybe i'm wrong but cdrom is in /dev/cdrom rather than /mnt/cdrom in ubuntu?04:00
flojHi Chris, the whole story is that I have inet connectivity through HomePNa (not ethernet) and the pcnet32.c module in Hoary does not allow me to set separately my HomePNa interfaces. Therefore I'm without connectivity.04:00
Chris_TuckerChaotic_Shield yes and see what it says04:00
Chaotic_Shielddependency problems.04:01
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elwoodfaen, /dev/cdrom is the device /mnt is the mount point04:01
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TriniTriggs24anybody here ever lost data while using amaroK?04:01
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Chris_Tuckerfloj, do you have a livecd copy of ubuntu and a thumbdrive?04:01
elwoodfaen, /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       004:01
faen mount /mnt/cdrom04:02
faenmount: can't find /mnt/cdrom in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab04:02
Chaotic_Shieldno niether.04:02
thoreauputicfaen: try /media/cdrom04:02
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Chaotic_Shieldwhy?04:02
queuetueI'm using two "applicance firewalls" (FVS318s to be exact) with a VPN between them, and would like to repeat broadcast packets across the link.  How would I do this?04:02
asfraSeveas: You are my hero! now it works :-)04:02
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faen mount /media/cdrom04:02
faenmount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc,04:02
faen       missing codepage or other error04:02
faenweird04:03
TriniTriggs2994I had  a playlist going, but I changed some of the file's names, and when amaroK got to them, it said "file no longer exists" or something like that.  And then when I went back to the folder, it was empty!!!04:03
Chris_Tuckerfloj, if so, go to somewhere with highspeed that will let you use the livecd. then sudo apt-get install -d <the stuff you need>      then copy the .deb  files from /var/cache/apt/archives/  to your thumbdrive04:03
faencan't umount it either04:03
thoreauputicfaen: erm - what are you trying to mount? What is on the CD ?04:03
faenI was trying to burn an ISO04:03
faenk3b, gnomebaker, eroaster all hang04:03
elwoodfaen, just with that  cd?04:03
faenand don't burn04:03
thoreauputicfaen: you don't need to mount to burn an ISO04:03
faenI know i don't need mount04:04
Chris_Tuckerfloj, then use dpkg to install them on your rig you need them on. if you dont do them in the right order, dpkg will tell you which to do before the one your doing04:04
faenbut now i can't eject the cd after one of those progs did something04:04
thoreauputicfaen: try sudo eject /dev/cdrom04:04
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thoreauputicor /dev/hdc or whatever04:04
afordSeveas, thanks for the help04:04
faeneject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument04:05
elwoodfaen,  or check in your processes ..one of them maybe is blocking04:05
faenI looked, but I can't see what would be blocking it04:05
Chris_Tuckerfaen, try sudo eject cdrom04:05
Chris_Tuckerfaen, try sudo eject cdrom004:05
JayParadiseyea u got to type eject04:05
Chris_Tuckerfaen, try sudo eject cdrom104:05
Chris_Tuckerfaen, one of those should work04:05
afordlevander, thoreauputic - thanks for the help04:05
JayParadiseif not the primary u havve to type the dev04:05
faennope none work..04:05
faen;/04:05
Chris_Tuckerconfusing04:05
thoreauputicaford: you're welcome :)04:05
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JayParadisemines hdd if eject doesnt work04:05
Chris_Tuckeri dont mean /dev/cdrom thoguh04:05
Chris_Tuckeri mean just plain cdrom04:05
faeni tried all of those04:06
dj28sounds like you're screwed04:06
Chris_Tuckeryea i agree with dj2804:06
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dj28might want to manual eject it04:06
faenyep04:06
dj28sounds like a faulty cdrom04:06
JayParadisereboot it and get it out while the bios loads04:06
faenmanual doesn't work either04:06
dj28faen: wow04:06
dj28how old is that drive04:06
faenI know the drive is fine, I just burned some iso's the other day before I switched to ubuntu04:07
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faenlike 2 days ago04:07
dj28interesting04:07
faenI've had some weird things happen with ubuntu04:07
dj28have you googled your cdrom model04:08
dj28to see if this is a problem for others04:08
matthew_can anyone help a complete beginner to install an icon pack? i downloaded from Gnome-look.org04:08
matthew_http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=1426004:08
asfraCan anybody tell me the trick to get mplayer working? when I start it I get: ' New_Face failed. Maybe the font path is wrong. Please supply the text font file (~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf).'  And when I try to play something with it it just stops.04:08
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lerojmatthew_, open theme manager04:08
faena lot of things work fine but sound is kinda screwy, i've tried to tweak that xorg seems laggy, cdrom hasn't really woked at all04:08
thoreauputicmatthew_: just drag it onto the theme dialogue04:08
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lerojthen drag and drop the icon package you downloaded onto the main window04:08
faenjust have had soem strange bugs hit me04:08
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JayParadiselag04:09
elwoodwell i have a script that in my old distro i put in /etc/profile.d/ ...in ubuntu where i have to put it?04:09
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JayParadisethat reminds me i got to run sysvconfig04:09
faenI like ubuntu in some respects but I have never had an install go this bad since slack 504:09
faenlol04:09
thoreauputicasfra: have you installed mplayer-fonts ?04:09
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BozackCan anyone tell me what the default password for root on Ubuntu is?04:09
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faenBozack: there is no root pass04:10
JayParadisethat was smy frist ubuntu question04:10
faenyou use sudo04:10
thoreauputic!root04:10
Chris_TuckerBozack there is none04:10
ubotumethinks root is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo04:10
{Phoinix}Bozack, sudo passwd root04:10
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asfraI'll check. But would a font problem make the player stop responding?04:10
matthew_thanks alot got the icons installed04:10
elwood!root04:11
uboturoot is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo04:11
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thoreauputicasfra: dunno - but the error message mentions fonts, no!04:11
thoreauputicoops s/!/?04:11
elwood!tell me root04:11
BozackPhoinix, thanx... that helped04:11
paulproteus!tellme root04:11
paulproteus!tell me root04:11
{Phoinix}Hello, I 'm trying to make my mic work in ubuntu.. but there seems to be a problem. I have a sound blaster live and in aslamixer there are a lot of controls.. that are confusing. What must i do to make my mic work? I am hearing my voice from the speakers04:12
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flojChris, sorry for the delay, not lag but diaper change. I've got connectivity on my rig as you can se (an old mdk on other partition). I'll try to do the hack you propose, but I find annoying that ubuntu does not let you do a clean kernel compile from kernel.org sources.04:12
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ArathaldWhen I start up ubuntu, after it's done loading, everything goes blank- I think it's a problem with the refresh rates (my monitor is old and very picky), id there a way to change those?04:12
flojthe diaper wasn't mine, I mean....04:13
Chris_Tuckerfloj i dont recommend changeing the kernal manually anyway, i would find the debain sources for it.04:13
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Chris_Tuckerhahahh04:13
EdLinArathald, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg04:13
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Arathaldso i boot into recovery and type that in?04:14
asfrathoreauputic: I apt it just says that I've installed mplayer-586 and mplayer-doc04:14
EdLinArathald, boot into recovery, chroot in your hard drive mount point, then do that.04:15
{Phoinix}Anyone can help me with my microphone problem?04:15
thoreauputicasfra: is it saying you already have the newest mplayer-fonts ?04:15
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EdLinArathald, er, that's instructions for recovery CD.04:15
asfrathoreauputic: How do I check that?04:16
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thoreauputicasfra: did you actually try to install mplayer-fonts ? (note the hyphen)04:16
ArathaldEdLin: so I do sumin else completely, or I just boot into the recovery (on the hdd) and type that first thing ir what?04:16
asfrathoreauputic: I'll try now..04:17
thoreauputicasfra:  sudo apt-get install mplayer-fonts04:17
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holycowheh04:18
holycowgnome 2.12 preview makes slash04:18
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EdLinArathald, well, if you boot up single user, which is what happens with grub recovery, you may have to remount rw (I haven't tried that under Ubuntu yet.)04:18
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bobbydhi04:18
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flojChris, one last q, those .deb packs come from somewhere. Where exactly? I mean I can wget them on my mdk and transfer them to the Hoary partition.04:19
thoreauputicbinbrain: if you need to ponder, don't ;)04:19
EdLinbinbrain, /topic04:19
Chris_Tuckerhas anyone here worked with the apt-gtt php4 and the apt-got apache?04:19
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ArathaldEdLin: rw?04:19
Chris_Tuckerfloj, apt-get.04:19
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EdLinArathald, read-write04:19
bobbyddo I need to do something special to allow remote hosts to connect to port 25 to send email? I configured postfix and it's listening on port 25, but when I connect with telnet it says connection refused04:19
Chris_Tuckerbobbyd are these on the lan or the internet?04:20
flojChris, but apt-get will download them from some url, right?04:20
ArathaldEdLin: ah, ok. should I jsut try typing it in, see what happens, then worry about remounting if it doesn't work?04:20
Chris_Tuckerfloj yes..04:20
bobbydChris_Tucker, internet. do i need to edit hosts.allow?04:20
EdLinArathald, single user mode might mount things read-only by default. This may vary by distro, I've never had the occasion to use single user mode in Ubuntu04:20
Chris_Tuckerbobbyd not that i know of, in your router do you have port 25 forwarded?04:20
EdLinArathald, might as well, it only will make a simple error message if you need to remount04:20
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ArathaldEdLin: kk ty- off to try04:21
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asfrathoreauputic: you don't happen to now what source I will have to put in sources.list to make that command work?04:21
bobbydChris_Tucker, yes, it used to work before I reinstalled. I'm just changing from gentoo to ubuntu.04:21
thoreauputicasfra: multiverse04:21
Chris_Tuckersorry then bobbyd, cant help ya, i havent set up my mail server yet, im workin on my http04:21
thoreauputicasfra: where did you get your mplayer?? it's in multiverse too04:22
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bobbydChris_Tucker, well, I've done that if you need any help :)04:22
Chris_Tuckerbobbyd, you get php4 runnin?04:22
asfrathoreauputic: thougt I got it from marillat04:22
bobbydChris_Tucker, ahh no, didn't do that04:22
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thoreauputicasfra: oh dear04:22
asfrathoreauputic: is that some debian thing?04:22
asfralooks like it :(04:23
thoreauputicasfra: if so, this is the source of your woes04:23
Chris_Tuckerasfra, should have enabled multiverse and got it there.04:23
Chris_Tuckerworks for me from there04:23
thoreauputicmarillat is for debian, which is out off sync with current hoary04:23
EdLinasfra, multiverse + hoary-extras will provide you with most of what marillat has.04:23
thoreauputic*of04:23
rekaa little off-topic, but OOI does debian have the same one-CD install ubuntu does?04:24
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Chris_TuckerEdLin, out of curiousity, does it have a version of libdvdcss2?04:24
asfrathoreauputic: Ok, debian is bad for ubuntu. Got it! Could anyone paste the mulitverse addresses to put in the sources.list?04:24
EdLinreka, it can04:24
thoreauputicasfra: uninstall mplayer, delete marillat and enable multiverse, apt-get update04:24
Chris_Tuckerthe only place ive been able to find libdvdcss2 is marillar04:25
Chris_Tuckert04:25
Chris_Tucker*04:25
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EdLinChris_Tucker, yes, but you don't need to add a repository to get that. You can use /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh04:25
thoreauputicasfra: just add the word multiverse at the end of your universe lines, basically04:25
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thoreauputicChris_Tucker: libdvdcss2 is in hoary-extras from backports04:26
Chris_Tuckerah backports.. never checked there04:26
asfrathoreauputic: Ok.. but I have to copy and paste the lines and then add or...? (sorry for newbie questions :)04:26
Mezgah04:26
EdLinthoreauputic, it's also in a secret little script on every Ubuntu desktop users' HD.04:26
MezI should never have put a highlight on abckports04:26
Mezlol04:26
MezIt gets mentioned so many times04:26
thoreauputicEdLin: OK - didn't know that one ;) thanks04:27
thoreauputicasfra: if you add the word  multiverse  to your universe lines you should be good to go04:27
Chris_Tuckerhm04:28
thoreauputicasfra: else read this04:28
thoreauputic!repos04:28
uboturepos is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto04:28
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rekaEdLin: so basically debian users get the option of having extra packages available for local install on more CDs, while ubuntu does not.04:28
reka?04:28
asfrathoreauputic: thanks alot!04:28
Chris_Tuckerit seems im going to have to uninstall the debain php and apache, and compile them with the ole' ./configure, make, && make install04:28
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thoreauputicasfra: good luck - make sure you uninstall/ delete your marillat stuff04:28
Chris_Tuckerthe debain packages i get with apt-get dont seem to want to see each other04:29
EdLinreka, you only need that if you're installing Debian to a system without an internet connection.04:29
JayParadisewhat do you guys use to write code?04:29
thoreauputicChris_Tucker: those packages are in ubuntu too, you know04:29
EdLinChris_Tucker, it's not a good idea to mix repositories if that's what you're doing.04:29
JayParadiseim getting sick of vi04:29
rekaEdLin: well, i'm on dialup....so installing too many packages over the net is a burden.04:29
EdLinreka, so am I.04:30
rekaJayParadise: vim :D04:30
Chris_Tuckerno no i apt-got it from the repos found on ubuntuguide.org04:30
ray_hi room, anyone know about installing a second hard drive in ubuntu?04:30
ray_its a fat32 ide drive04:30
JayParadisenothin to it just mount it04:30
ray_its fitted on slave (cable select) on ide #204:30
ray_ive tried mounting it in the bash shell04:31
JayParadisecfdisk04:31
ray_to mnt/(my dir)04:31
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flojray_ did you make a filesystem in it?04:31
Seveasray_: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically04:31
ray_but it keeps saying 'no such device04:31
ray_cheers, will try that. much obliged :)04:31
JayParadiseyea you should prolly issue mkext3 /dev/hdb or os04:32
Chris_Tuckerapache is on universe.04:32
Chris_Tuckernot sure with php, check in a sec04:32
JayParadiseor something like that04:32
Chris_Tuckerall in all though they arent seeing each other.04:32
JayParadisedunno the mkfs commands04:32
samuwhy cant we have the same kind of multi-language input in ubuntu as in windows XP?04:32
flojif its visible under that broken os whose name starts with w you should mount it as mount -t vfat /dev/hdb1 /mnt04:32
elwoodsomeone using pam-usb?04:33
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co-indRandom_Sindrom you have to edit sources to add the directory where is xmms <<<where04:33
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flojray_ remember to use both the device name and the partition number04:34
flojnot /dev/hdb but /dev/hdb104:34
ray_i think it should be hdd1 (its the slave on ide channel 2.. but it says 'no such drive'04:34
flughtry doing 'fdisk -l /dev/hdd', see if fdisk sees anything there04:35
ray_thaks, i have used the dev name and number - also, its listed in dev manager04:35
ray_k04:35
flughor 'dmesg | grep hdd' would show if it was seen during bootup04:36
ray_'cannot open /dev/hdd104:36
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thoreauputicray_: sudo04:36
ray_it was fitted after the installation of ubuntu04:36
flojray_ "fdisk /dev/hdd"04:36
ray_k04:36
TriniTriggs1hey everyone.  I've got a pretty urgent problem re: losing all my music.  Could you guys help me out?04:37
flojpartitioning a disk, mounting a partition04:37
TriniTriggs1I've got a thread going in the forums04:37
TriniTriggs1http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5326304:37
thoreauputicTriniTriggs1: sounds bad - do you know where it *ought* to be? And how did this happen?04:38
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TriniTriggs1I had playlist in amaroK (hooked up to mySQL). I changed some of the filenames (*.m4a --> *.mp4) via Nautilus. And when amaroK got to those songs, it just pooped out and decided to "delete" the whole folder??? NB these files were a couple levels below the music folder, but the whole music folder was still lost.04:38
kemikTriniTriggs1:  tried chkdsk ?04:38
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flughTriniTriggs1, you might try #amarok. they are a pretty active channel04:39
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rekaanyone know of a quick way of renaming all files in a directory?  (i need them in lower case, currently they're all in CAPS).04:40
flughi like amarok. don't like to hear stuff like that about it though :(04:40
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tucoz!info wireless-tools04:40
ubotuwireless-tools: (Tools for manipulating Linux Wireless Extensions), section net, is extra. Version: 27-1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 99 kB, Installed size: 276 kB04:40
kemikTriniTriggs1:  boot into windows and run "chkdsk"04:41
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tucozHow do I find out the contents of wireless-tools?04:41
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ray_thanks for your help :) ill plug away at the hard drive issue... still wont mount it and fdisk cant see it. but its there in d.m.  - ill pop back with a progres report ;)04:41
flughreka: for i in *; do mv "$i" `echo "$i" | troff [A-Z]  [a-z] `; done <-- similar to that04:41
kemikTriniTriggs2:  "chkdsk" in windows04:41
TriniTriggs2sorry guys, my connection's really bad04:41
flughreka: but i'd change the 'mv' to an echo for a first trial test run. make sure it's working before actually renaming04:41
TriniTriggs2kemik.  ah.  no, not yet.  NB Windows sees the same thing as Nautlius (everything except the music folder, which is still taking up space)04:41
rekaflugh: cheers04:42
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tucozOr rather, how do I find out the contents of any package consisting of several tools?04:42
flughreka: crap sorry, it's 'tr' not 'troff'04:42
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TriniTriggs2I'm gonna reobot and give chkdsk a go.  If anyone has any ideas, please let me know.  (get Norton???)04:43
TriniTriggs2http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5326304:43
TriniTriggs2bye for now04:43
thoreauputictucoz: if it's installed, run  dpkg -L <packagename>04:43
flughTriniTriggs1, i'd download some livecd rescue image, try mounting the disk and see what's what04:43
EdLinreka, Ubuntu has a nice GNU tool named "rename", man rename, it will do most simple mass-renaming tasks.04:44
tucozthoreauputic, thanks.04:44
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thoreauputictucoz: np :)04:44
kemikanyone know how i can use Debian's networkdrivers instead of the ubuntu ones?04:45
rekaEdLin: thanks for the tip.04:45
tucozI also found out that by clicking properties in synaptic04:45
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EdLinreka, actually, looking at it, it appears to be something that comes with perl rather than a GNU originated tool. Either way most but not all Linux systems will have it.04:46
rekaflugh: worked perfectly. :D04:46
flughreka: glad to hear it04:46
flugh:)04:46
afordnew to ubuntu - anyone know anything about nx-server or other remote desktop managers that work with ubuntu?04:46
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thoreauputicaford: you can install freenx from backports04:47
thoreauputicaford: it's the NX thing (gpl version)04:47
afordthoreauputic, how do I use backports?04:48
thoreauputic!backports04:48
ubotubackports is probably .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted04:48
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thoreauputicaford: I strongly suggest you comment them out after using them - there's also hoary-extras at the same URL04:49
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thoreauputicoh - maybe a different URL now04:49
thoreauputic:/04:49
catolhHey, i am having some problems with xine and tv-out. It seems it wont send video to my TV, only my computer monitor.04:49
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mjrcatolh, try xine -V xshm ; might be that your card doesn't send the video overlay to the TV04:52
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TURKhi all04:52
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mjrcatolh, xshm will, though, do the scaling and stuff in software, so it might be slower04:52
LinuxJonesTURK, welcome04:52
TURKhi all.. dpkg gives errors and it does'nt remove postgresql04:52
charlesI'm having a bit of trouble with sound... whatever plays is garbled04:52
TURKwhat can i do.. i want it to remove this04:52
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TURKLinuxJones, thanx brother04:53
Chris_Tuckertell me someone here has gotten apache2 off multiverse to work >.<04:53
thoreauputicTURK: which repository did you get it from?04:53
TURKhelp me pls04:53
leeis it possible to install ubuntu from a live cd, or is it more trouble than it's worth?  I'm currently booted from a live cd, and I haven't downloaded the install cd, my bandwidth is limited atm04:53
catolhmjr, there isnt any other way to do it?04:53
Chris_Tuckerno, lee, you cant install it from a livecd.04:53
mjrcatolh, dunno, that really depends on your display card and the driver04:54
leeoh well, slow download it is then =)04:54
thoreauputicChris_Tucker: erm - apache2 is in main, not multiverse04:54
Chris_Tuckerer ok wherever it is04:54
python_charles: what sound card do u have?04:54
Chris_Tuckeri need help changeing the docroot. its not in the conf in this version04:54
catolhmjr, it works fine with mplayer. Other than my xv wont display anything anymore.. after i installed the fglrx drivers04:54
mjrcatolh, some card only display the video overlay on "primary" display; try and see if you can make the tv primary04:55
ValheruLordhow can i force dpkg to remove a package04:55
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catolhmjr, the ati control panel has such a feature.. but it wont "store" it when i change it..04:55
mjrcatolh, does mplayer use xv, then?04:55
catolhmjr, it can use it..04:55
charlespython_, a MAudio Audophile 2496 (envy24), uses the ice1712 chipset04:55
catolhmjr, and in the ubuntuguide it says i should use it04:55
jipany idea does rainbow six: rogue spear run on linux?04:56
catolhmjr, i used it before i installed the fglrx.. but right after it wouldnt work. It seems it's a common proglem04:56
ThewrdnrdHey, quick question. I'm blind, working on a ubuntu install, and am trying to get the GNOME accessibility stuff running. After I log into the ubuntu desktop, though, another window seems to pop up before GNOME. Any idea what this might be?04:56
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catolhproblem*04:56
mjrcatolh, yes, but does it show on the tv when you use xv?04:56
catolhmjr, yes04:56
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mjrah well04:56
ThewrdnrdI have one window that plays the little drum sound, and I assume that's the login window, but the next one?04:56
catolhmjr, but not now.. :p04:56
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markitoxsanyone can tell me where can i download gdesklets?04:56
thoreauputicThewrdnrd: might be the splash screen that comes before the desktop ?04:57
python_charles: I'm not too sure about this card, sorry04:57
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ThewrdnrdI'm able to get past that window by typing in my username and password, but I'd rather not just type htat in without knowing WTF I'm typing it into. :P04:57
python_Charles: Maybe you should see if it is supported on the ALSA website04:57
Thewrdnrdthoreauputic: Hmm, possibly. Seems to sit there for awhile, though. Does it typically require input?04:57
ZincXhow can i run a mail server ?04:58
thoreauputicThewrdnrd: you type your username and pass in the gdm login fields normally ...04:58
charlespython_, it is fully suported and worked in gentoo04:58
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Thewrdnrdthoreauputic: Is GDM what plays the short drumming clip?04:58
thoreauputicThewrdnrd: is the desktop loading Ok ?04:58
snivitz0markitoxs: sudo apt-get install gdesklets ;sudo apt-get install gdesklets-data04:58
thoreauputicThewrdnrd: yes, when gdm comes up you get the drum sound04:58
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Thewrdnrdthoreauputic: Seems to be. After the second window I get the musical jingle, which I assume means that it's loading.04:59
kemikThewrdnrd:  has it been like that always? could be that you saved some windows when you shut down the computer at some point?04:59
rekaThewrdnrd: you can set it up to skip the login screen if you so wish (it logs in a user automatically)04:59
python_charles: have u typed alsamixer into your console?04:59
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markitoxssnivitz0, i don t mean that, i mean the little packages04:59
EdLinsnivitz0, you can add packages to a single apt-get line you know...04:59
markitoxssnivitz0, if you install gdesklets-data it won work ;) they are aout of date04:59
charlespython_, yeah, I am able to control the sound volume and I'm able to play sounds however the sound that comes out sounds like it's at the wrong frequency04:59
ThewrdnrdThis is a fresh install as of this morning.04:59
kemikThewrdnrd:  nevermind what i said.. it seems its just the login screen that you're typing your info in =) all is normal05:00
ThewrdnrdAs in, this is how it behaves on first run of the ubuntu-desktop.05:00
snivitz0markitoxs: Oh, sorry about that. I installed them didnt give them a shot yet.05:00
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ThewrdnrdHmmm. Ok, I won't worry about it then.05:00
ZincXhow can i run a mail server ?05:00
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python_charles: sounds a strange one, try looking at the debian site for sound issues..may help05:00
matthew_Does anyone know how to install a splash screen?05:00
thoreauputicThewrdnrd: I'm in fluxbox atm or I'd check for you - but I'm also listening to Bach so I doubt I'd hear the musical jingle anyway ;)05:00
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markitoxssnivitz0, thx, you might uninstall the -data one, if you want it to work properly05:01
EdLinZincX, read manuals05:01
djansahello05:01
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matthew_does anyone know how to install a splash screen?05:01
ZincXk05:01
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ThewrdnrdAlso, are the desktop sounds played via esound? Is it possible to disable that via the command line? My laptop's sound hardware behaves oddly under Linux; it seems like it's full duplex under windows but not so under Linux.05:02
markitoxsmathew the login one, or the other one?05:02
markitoxsthe one that shows what's been loaded?05:02
ThewrdnrdSo if the desktop sounds are active, I can't run the GNOME accessibility stuff which needs access to the sound hardware.05:02
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python_charles: Have u made sure all your settings are running through ALSA05:02
matthew_the loading one, i've changed the login screen already05:02
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Flying_Eaglehi05:02
thoreauputicThewrdnrd: esound is default yes - it's a pain05:02
Thewrdnrdpython_: Yes, this is just how the hardware behaves, it's an older laptop.05:03
ThewrdnrdIt did this under Debian, so I'm very familiar with its oddities.05:03
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EdLinoops05:03
charlespython_, not sure what you mean... I can play sounds by sending instant messages or by using beep-media-player... when a song is playing in beep media player I can turn the volume up and down properly using alsa-mixer, however the sound coming out is just garbled05:03
TriniTriggs5is anyone here familiar with dosfsck?05:03
thoreauputicThewrdnrd: there's a howto about enabling dmix on ubuntuguide.org that worked for me - "configure sound properly" or something like that05:04
matthew_my sound didnt work when i first installed but i checked the Alsamixer and my speakers were muted, i guess i was lucky my problem was not worse05:04
python_charles: Perhaps you should go back to gentoo05:04
ThewrdnrdMy sound works fine, it just isn't full duplex.05:04
rekacharles: garbled or noisy?05:05
ThewrdnrdWhich I suppose isn't fine for some definitions of fine. ;) But for the moment I'd rather just get this stuff working, then refine it later.05:05
charlespython_, yeah... i'm considering... it's just that i've been liking ubuntu besides this... I may try compiling from source05:05
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thoreauputicThewrdnrd: a wise plan I think :)05:05
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charlesreka, um... garbled... like I play a song through beep and it sounds like the chip-monks are singing it05:05
python_charles: Gentoo is a great distro and if it works with your hardware, then use it and stick with it i say05:05
TriniTriggs5I did a "dosfsck /dev/sda5 -l" and it returned "There are differences between boot sector and its backup.  Differences: (offset:original/backup)" and it lists 3 actions: copy original to backup, vice versa, and no action05:05
TriniTriggs5which one should I do?05:06
TriniTriggs5I'm not even sure when these "backups" were made (I didn't make them for sure)05:06
python_I find sound blaster cards work well with linux05:06
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python_ive got a 7.1 surround set up on mine and it works perfectly05:07
u19809is there a dvd::rip package ?05:07
u19809or better : how can I rip a dvd ?05:07
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python_u19809: Something i tried to do, and had quite a job05:07
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hondjeyes, but you need to add backports for transcode05:08
hondjeor build it, eit05:08
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rekacharles: search the forums.  i recall someone having that problem in the past.05:08
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python_u19809: i believe xcd roast can do it, with a dvd plugin05:08
JaZYLNXcan anyone point me to a wiki to share my internet, i have a wifi getting the internet and a 100 card on it.. want to share the wifi over the ethernet05:08
u19809hondje : what is 'backports for transcode'?05:08
hondje!backports05:08
ubotufrom memory, backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted05:08
charlesreka, yeah I've been looking around05:09
hondjeI'm on my pda...typing is slow ;)05:09
markitoxsanyone can tell me where can i download gdesklets (not the program)?05:09
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ValheruLordmarkitoxs,05:10
LinuxJonesJaZYLNX, you can easily share your internet connection with firestarter (a graphical fron end for iptables)05:10
charlesgentoo was such a pain to setup and such a pain to keep up to date, ubuntu has been so much easier... I only wish the distro had a bit more age under it's belt05:10
ValheruLordgdesklets.gnomedesktop.prg markitoxs05:10
ValheruLordgdesklets.gnomedesktop.og markitoxs05:10
markitoxsit's down for days...05:10
bobbydare there any steps I need to do apart from configuring postfix to allow remote hosts on the internet to connect to my mail server?05:10
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ValheruLordgdesklets.gnomedesktop.org markitoxs05:10
thoreauputicThewrdnrd: you can disable esd (esound) by typing 'killall esd ' - to start it again you can do esd &05:10
LinuxJonescharles, Ubuntu is based on Debian which has been around for many years05:10
JaZYLNXnice thanks LinuxJones05:10
u19809will try05:10
LinuxJonesJaZYLNX, GL ;)05:10
markitoxsValheruLord, it's down for days.. can t even connect to the page05:11
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thuronlist05:11
charlesLinuxJones, yes but it (ubuntu) tries very hard to be user-friendly and auto-detect your hardware and provide good default settings... in a few more years it will be able to detect more hardware properly05:11
JayParadiseis there any options for changing rm to putting the file to delete in the trash can instead of auto delete05:11
hondjeno05:11
rekacharles: try asking crimsun when he's active if you can't find a solution...he's the resident sound guru in here05:11
ubuntuubuntu is very good...i think05:11
thuronjava help any one05:11
phixionis that why you named yourself after it?05:12
thoreauputicJayParadise: you could make it an alias in ~/.bashrc05:12
hondjemv <file> $HOME/.Trash is how you do that05:12
JayParadisei could do alias rm='mv $# $HOME/.local/share/trash/files05:12
markitoxsValheruLord,  u don't know ny other site?05:12
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kemik!java05:12
ubotuI guess java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.05:12
JayParadisebut in that dir i notice it has to subdirectories05:12
Chadza!dvd05:12
ubotusomebody said dvd was There are many good free players for linux. Totem is installed in Ubuntu by default add totem-xine and voila! - Mplayer, XINE, VLC (Cross platform) are also very good. gstreamer-totem05:12
charlesreka, thanks I'll stick around... I actually saw a post online mentioning thanks to crimsun which is what cause me to join the channel05:12
JayParadiseit like autocreates trash info files05:12
JayParadiseo well05:12
ubuntuwhat the comand to open another channel05:13
LinuxJonescharles, yeah in 2 years I would suspect Ubuntu will be the most popular distro around :)05:13
phixionubuntu: /join #channelname05:13
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thoreauputicubuntu: /join #channelname05:13
thoreauputicphixion: :)05:13
phixion:D05:13
charlesLinuxJones, check distrowatch.org it would seem that way already05:13
thoreauputicphixion: GMTA05:13
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phixionGMTA?05:14
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LinuxJonescharles, distrowatch isn't a really good indication of that :D05:14
chiisaiHow do I install a .deb package?05:14
thoreauputicphixion: Great Minds Think Alike ;-)05:14
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phixionahh :D05:14
ubuntuthanks05:14
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ploppchiisai: dpkgv -i *.deb05:14
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ploppchiisai, sry dpkg -i *.deb05:14
PrimoTurboHey guys I need some help please, I downloaded doom3 demo05:15
PrimoTurbofor linux05:15
PrimoTurbohow do I run the file to install it doom3-linux-1.1.1286-demo.x86.run05:15
PrimoTurboI tried sudo doom3-linux-1.1.1286-demo.x86.run05:15
kemiktry ./05:15
rekacharles: yeah, i might be mistaken, but i think he's actually involved with sound dev05:15
PrimoTurbo./ ?05:15
chiisaiplopp: bash: gpkg: command not found05:15
ploppPrimoTurbo sudo sh *.run05:15
PrimoTurbooh05:15
PrimoTurbok thanks05:15
kemikPrimoTurbo:  ./doom3-linux-1.1.1.......05:15
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thoreauputicchiisai: dpkg05:15
salapoliisiPrimoTurbo: did it work?, since i tried with ./ but it says nothing05:15
ploppchiisai dpkg05:16
azikPrimoTurbo, chmod 755 doom*.run, ./doom*.rom05:16
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chiisaioh, typo x.x05:16
chiisaiThanks, I thought my system was borked.05:16
ChadzaCan someone point me towards dvd playback help?05:16
thoreauputicchiisai: not yet ;-)05:16
ChadzaOh the wiki or forums?05:16
thuronok i am doing some thing way wrong as a noob is apt to do and can get the ls command to show java but lost from there05:16
kemik!restrictedformats05:16
ubotumethinks restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'05:16
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kemikChadza:  libdvdcss2, need to add repository in your sources.list05:17
thoreauputic!multimedia05:17
ubotuwell, multimedia is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia05:17
PrimoTurbosudo sh seems to be working, verifying some integirty atm05:17
reka!tell thuron about java05:17
PrimoTurbohow much do u guys get in the gears thing05:17
ChadzaWhat repository?05:17
PrimoTurboyou know what I mean to test your video card05:17
PrimoTurbohow many frames do u get?05:18
ploppPrimoTurbo: ~2000fps05:18
PrimoTurbowhich video card do u have?05:18
LinuxJonesPrimoTurbo, just over 1300 fps05:18
thoreauputicChadza: read ubotu's URL above (multimedia)05:18
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ChadzaOkay.05:18
Pierohi everyone05:18
rekaPrimoTurbo: iirc, it's a poor benchmarking tool05:18
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PrimoTurboI'm getting 2300+05:18
elwoodi get 486 fps05:18
ploppPrimoTurbo: Radeon 9500pro05:18
tucoz!info umbrello05:18
Pierowhere can I found instruction for how to become a download mirror?05:18
ubotuumbrello: (UML modelling tool and code generator), section universe/devel, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu5 (hoary), Packaged size: 1757 kB, Installed size: 4856 kB05:18
PrimoTurbo9700 Pro Here05:19
JaZYLNXis there a ubuntu channel that's just for ppc?05:19
PrimoTurboinstalling doom3 now05:19
LinuxJonesPiero, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/mirror/document_view05:19
PrimoTurbowhat's the other gears one05:19
PrimoTurboit's like gl or something05:19
Pierothx LinuxJones05:19
JaZYLNXbecause i got pdbuttons problem05:19
PrimoTurboa cube spins with 6 gears running in it?05:19
tucozI want to install umbrello, and when I type !info umbrello, it says section universe/devel. Do I need to change my sources.lst?05:20
tucozsynaptic can't find the package05:20
rekaPrimoTurbo: fgl_glxgears05:21
thoreauputic!reos05:21
ubotuthoreauputic: Are you smoking crack?05:21
rekatucoz: just use the search function05:21
thoreauputicdamn05:21
thoreauputic!repos05:21
ubotuwell, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto05:21
thoreauputicreka: you need to add universe05:22
leroji love synaptic :D05:22
tucozreka: I did. It doesn't find the package.05:22
thoreauputicbah sorry05:22
thoreauputictucoz: sudo apt-get update or reload synaptic05:23
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rekathoreauputic: i have. :)05:23
thoreauputicreka: sorry it was an error - I meant tucoz ;)05:23
rekatucoz: yeah, sorry....misread you, thought you meant you couldn't find it using the sections...05:23
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rekathoreauputic: no worries :)05:24
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tucozreka: thanks anyway05:24
samudoes anyone know how i can display files that have filenames using japanese characters from a mounted NTFS partition?05:25
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rekatucoz: what diagrams are you doing OOC?05:26
mjrsamu, use the "utf8" option when mounting the ntfs05:26
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mjrsamu, then they should work just fine, assuming you use the default ubuntu locales05:26
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apokryphosWhat are the more popular *gnome* apps. I presume Nautilus is one.. others? (not just GTK ones)05:27
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PrimoTurboHas anyone tried the doom3 demo?05:28
tucozreka: I am programming in c++05:28
rekaapokryphos: gnomebaker? :)05:28
tucozSo OOP05:28
ploppPrimoTurbo: yes, idid05:28
samumjr, where do you change the ubuntu locales?05:28
PrimoTurboWhen I run it, I get a black screen and I have to ctrl + alt + backspace05:28
PrimoTurboany idea what could be causing this?05:28
ploppPrimoTurbo: i got the same problem05:28
PrimoTurbodamn05:28
mjrsamu, you don't want to do that05:28
ploppi think its because of the ati-card05:28
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samumjr, ok :)05:28
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linuksosamu: if you must, edit /etc/enviroment05:29
thoreauputicapokryphos: look for apps beginning with "g" ;-)05:29
PrimoTurboyeah I have a ati 9700 Pro 128mb but I think I set it up correctly05:29
dippodoes ubuntu have any sort of gui wireless ESSID/WEP/WPA selection tool?05:29
PrimoTurbocan u run any other gl games?05:29
ploppyes05:29
samuso you mean it should work as long as i dont mess around with the locales settings?05:29
ploppno, wait05:29
mjrsamu, yes05:29
ploppNexuiz didn't run in OGL mode05:29
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mjrsamu, but you need to unmount the ntfs and mount it again with the utf8 option, as said05:29
thoreauputicapokryphos: although that doesn't apply to the absurd degree it does for "k" and KDE05:30
PrimoTurboI see05:30
PrimoTurboWell I need to find a way to fix this, I really want to see what fps I get on linux with doom305:30
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ploppPrimoTurbo: with my nvidia TNT pci card, everything works fine :)05:30
samumjr, cant i just edit the "file that i cant remember the name of but contains settings for mounted partitions" and then re-execute that "script"05:30
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PrimoTurbooh well05:31
PrimoTurbodoes sound like a ati issue05:31
ThewrdnrdHmmm. Is there a menu item for desktop preferences like there is under Debian?05:31
PrimoTurboi'll look into it/search for it05:31
thoreauputicsamu: do you mean /etc/fstab ?05:31
ploppyeah, waiting for new drivers05:31
samuthoreauputic, ah, maybe that was the one i was trying to remember05:31
apokryphosthoreauputic: why is it absurd?05:31
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thoreauputicapokryphos: it just seems that every KDE app begins with "K"05:32
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apokryphosthoreauputic: yes05:32
thoreauputicapokryphos: oh, I forgot amaroK05:32
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thoreauputic;)05:32
rekaThewrdnrd: what sort of preferences?05:33
elwoodthoreauputic, klogd is no kde :)05:33
apokryphosthoreauputic: but why is it absurd?05:33
apokryphosthoreauputic: though, see i.e. gwenview05:33
thoreauputicelwood: true05:33
Thewrdnrdreka: I want to disable ESD.05:33
tucozThanks for the help guys. See you.05:33
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samuso do i just add " utf8" after the "umask=0222" ?05:33
nebularso I installed kubunto hoary, and it would seem that my mixer doesn't adjust the base or treble settings on my soundblaster live.05:34
thoreauputicapokryphos: I said "to an absurd degree" - not that it was *inherently* absurd ;-)05:34
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elwoodThewrdnrd, you can remove from gnome session05:34
mjrsamu, yes, comma-separated05:34
mjr",utf8"05:34
Tired_Hello! Is it possible to install Ubuntu without using it's kernel?05:34
apokryphosthoreauputic: I think it's pretty odd, but it has a warm strangeness for me :P. Easy to identify K apps, a lot of the time.05:34
apokryphosthoreauputic: they'll do anything to get a K in there ;-)05:34
samumjr, ah, i see. and how do i get this script to reload again?05:34
Tired_Debian-based kernels will not boot on my machine.05:35
apokryphosthoreauputic: and when they do, it's uppercase :P05:35
thoreauputicapokryphos: I spoke in jest, sir !05:35
elwoodTired_, is easier to install ubuntu and then recompile a kernel from sources or copy the image that you preferr05:35
Tired_i can't boot the install cd05:35
apokryphosthoreauputic: =)05:35
elwoodTired_, why?some strange hw?05:35
Tired_i need to install another kernel, then get Ubuntu in there after, somehow05:35
mjrsamu, it's not a script; do sudo umount /ntfs ; sudo mount /ntfs (where /ntfs is where you have the thing mounted)05:35
Tired_yes, known issue with debian kernels and Dell precision 610s05:35
JayParadisemv ${[1-9] }*  <-- i know that isn't working05:36
elwoodTired_, but you have particular modules?05:36
Tired_huh?05:36
JayParadiseim trying to set that as argument 1-9, anyone know the right format/05:36
Tired_it won't go past ok, uncompressing the kernel05:36
Tired_ever05:37
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samumjr, i seem to remember there was some way to automatically have the fstab file checked for any updates and change the mounts accordingly...05:37
Tired_there's forum posts unresolved on this going back a year05:37
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Tired_from other people05:37
thuronis there some one that can do a remote desk top take over to help install java i am at witts end05:37
thoreauputicapokryphos: I lerned never rhetorik, certayne - thing that I speke it moot be bare and plaine05:37
samuwell, i guess it wont kill me to do it manually just this once05:37
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mjrsamu, mount -a probably, but I don't think it changes the options for already mounted filesystems (and besides, the ntfs driver has some trouble in changing options on the fly)05:38
bogais there any keyboard short cuts to tyoing characters like these - "" and ""?05:38
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apokryphosthoreauputic: hehe. Good going ;-). My middle-English is still poor, no doubt.05:38
binbrainis X still broken in breezy?05:38
thoreauputicapokryphos: ;)05:38
Tired_so, i ask again, can i run ubuntu with, say, a gentoo kernel?05:38
mjrTired_, "probably"05:39
elwoodTired_, you can boot with your kernel..but from the cd05:39
elwoodof from other partition...i suppose05:39
samumjr, ah. well thanks. it seems to work! thank you very much! now i can finally listen to my judy ongg - miserarete mp305:39
Tired_can i somehow incorporate the other-distro kernel into Ubuntu?05:39
Tired_i don't want to run gentoo, i just need to workaround this issue05:39
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apokryphosthoreauputic: God woot! (I don't forget that :P)05:40
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DekaPinkYargh. How do I make it not play music when I happen to click on a music file? :305:40
LinuxJonesTired_, no Ubuntu and Gentoo have different patches to the kernel05:40
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Tired_darn.  would any non-debian-derived kernels work?05:41
charlesTired_: I wish to do the same... I like ubuntu but unfortunately my gentoo kernel worked better05:41
rekaDekaPink: make what not play?05:41
kokoko1hi, one fast question is ubuntu 64 bit distro?05:41
LinuxJonesTired_, what kind of hard drive do you have ?05:41
DekaPinkreka: Uh... like... the file browser, I guess.05:42
Tired_i have U2W SCSI drives (9.1GB) and one 27GB IDE drive05:42
Tired_I typically use the scsi drives as software raid05:42
wdhTired_, you could always try to customise a vanilla kernel :P or compile your own05:42
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rekaDekaPink: i guess you mean the preview feature when you mouse-hover....you can change that it the options05:42
thoreauputicapokryphos: slept I neer on Mount Parnasso, ne lerned Marcus Tullius Cicero ... we can start #ubuntu-middle-english ;)05:42
Tired_ah, but i'm a clueless newbie05:42
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rekaDekaPink: if not, what else do you expect when you click on a music file? :)05:43
Tired_i was suggested ubuntu as a new linux user05:43
LinuxJonesTired_, do you currently have a working version of Linux installed ?05:43
kokoko1guess not?05:43
Tired_no05:43
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rekakokoko1: i think there's a 64bit version available...but iirc, it's not perfect and people have preferred to stick with the '32-bit' version.05:44
Tired_i did have a working gentoo, but i didn't understand it05:44
LinuxJonesTired_, how far can you get in the install ?05:44
jabrawhen is breezy going to be released?05:44
apokryphosthoreauputic: watch out -- I have OP powers there :P05:44
HiddenWolfjabra: october05:44
LinuxJonesjabra, October05:44
Tired_i boot the cd, i get to ok, uncomressing the kernel, it dies.05:44
jabrathanks, thanks05:44
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jabrawhat do people think of the new gnome05:44
LinuxJonesjabra, 2.12 will rock !!05:45
Tired_google shows this issue with this type of dell in debian and ubuntu forums for a long while05:45
thoreauputicapokryphos: >>> thoreauputic has been kicked from #ubuntu-middle-english ( incorrect syntax)05:45
jabrafavorite feature?05:45
bogajabra: It'll rock even more if the fonts are made more crisp.05:45
LinuxJonesTired_, there is no help via google or those websites ?05:45
jabraI am wondering when if if will they make nautilus naviagtion not sux05:45
kokoko1reka, thanks05:45
apokryphosthoreauputic: incorrect indeed! You didn't provide the reason. Use of incorrect middle-English ;-)05:45
LinuxJonesjabra, the services manager is a long overdue feature :)05:45
Tired_a few people had the problem, but no one seems to have found a solution that didn't involve Red hat05:46
Tired_installing red hat05:46
Tired_:(05:46
jabraLinuxJones: very true05:46
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PrimoTurboHas anyone else in here played the DOOM 3 Demo on Ubuntu?05:46
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jabraPrimoTurbo: yes05:46
samuack, but now the "add directory" dialogue of XMMS cant display the japanese characters :(05:46
PrimoTurbodid you get a black screen after running it?05:46
jabrano05:46
PrimoTurbodo u have an ati card?05:46
jabragotta gnome screen05:47
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jabrano nvidia binary05:47
LinuxJonesTired_, I am wondering if you need certain scsi device drivers that aren't available in Debian based distros by default05:47
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Tired_Adaptec?05:47
elwoodLinuxJones, gnome 2.12?05:47
Tired_they're pretty standard05:47
PrimoTurboI see, damn.05:47
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LinuxJoneselwood, yeah it's coming in September05:47
PrimoTurboDo u know why I get a black screen after running doom3 demo?05:47
elwoodLinuxJones, any changelog?05:47
Tired_AIC-7880 i believe05:47
PrimoTurboI know I setup the drivers correctly because I get better fps in gl gears05:47
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elwoodPrimoTurbo, read logs!!05:47
Tired_besides, the cd drive is ide, as is the /root05:47
PrimoTurboHow can I?05:48
Tired_scsi is not necessary for boot05:48
PrimoTurboI get a black screen after running the demo05:48
PrimoTurbothen I cannot get back to desktop05:48
PrimoTurboI have to do ctrl alt backspace05:48
PrimoTurboit05:48
Tired_besides, it hangs before it gets to look for modules.  it's literally the first line05:48
PrimoTurboit's a black screen at 640 x 480 @ 85Hz05:48
ploppPrimoTurbo: start from the terminal05:49
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PrimoTurboI did05:49
PrimoTurbohttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5334705:49
PrimoTurboplopp don't u have the same issue?05:49
ploppyepp05:49
LinuxJoneselwood, check slashdot there is a preview of 2.12 there right now about 5 stories down05:49
elwoodLinuxJones, it will be a great gnome :)05:49
PrimoTurbois there an alt + tab thing in Linux?05:50
live2I just installed Hoary on my other computer, and I cant reach the internet. eth0 is up and all the settings seem to be correct. How do I troubleshoot this?05:50
ploppyes, there is05:50
LinuxJoneselwood, I used to use KDE untill I installed Ubuntu, now I would never run anything else :)05:50
plopppress alt + tab :)05:50
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LinuxJonesPrimoTurbo, yes05:50
PrimoTurboyes?05:51
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PrimoTurboI guess it doesn't work when I'm in doom305:51
PrimoTurbocause I tried it05:51
ploppPrimoTurbo sometimes it doesnt work instantliy05:51
ploppso try some times05:51
LinuxJonesPrimoTurbo, even better you can use ctrl + alt + <arrow keys> to change virtual desktops05:51
PrimoTurboI know I waited05:51
mjrmany games grab the whole keyboard when run in full-screen mode05:51
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PrimoTurbocool didn't know05:51
mjrwhich is rather naughty of them05:52
PrimoTurboLinuxJones: Any idea why I get a black screen in doom3 after running it?05:52
mjrat least they should provide a shortcut for changing between fullscreen and windowed mode05:52
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LinuxJonesPrimoTurbo, run it from a console terminal and look for any errors that might come up05:52
rekaPrimoTurbo: what drivers?05:52
elwood!grub05:52
ubotuit has been said that grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto05:52
PrimoTurboreka: I'm not sure I followed a guide to install them, 1 sec05:53
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PrimoTurboLinuxJones: the problem is that the terminal is too fast and then I'm in doom3 with a black screen05:53
rekaPrimoTurbo: the binaryhowto?05:53
PrimoTurboI can't alt + tab05:53
PrimoTurboreka: I followed this - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2455705:54
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LinuxJonesPrimoTurbo, if you hit the escape key a few times does doom3 close ?05:54
PrimoTurbono I tried05:54
u19809just installed mencoder-586.  It segfaults.  hints ?05:54
derreckPrimoTurbo, executable > file.txt 2>&1 & then read file.txt next time you come in?05:54
psychonatealso, I think some ID games will keep you on black screens if they can't connect to the sound device, but I could be wrong05:55
LinuxJonesPrimoTurbo, do you have the 3d drivers installed for your nvidia or ati card ?05:55
PrimoTurboati05:55
PrimoTurboI don't have a nvidia card05:55
PrimoTurboI have a ATI 9700 Pro 128Mb05:55
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LinuxJonesPrimoTurbo, but you installed the binary drivers though correct ?05:55
PrimoTurboyes I think so05:56
PrimoTurbobecause when I run fgl_glxgears I get 536 fps05:56
kostkonPrimoTurbo: it's very low!!05:56
rekaglxinfo | grep rendering05:57
PrimoTurbothis is fgl_glxgears05:57
PrimoTurbonot glxgears05:57
PrimoTurboin glxgears I just got between 3000-500005:57
PrimoTurbofps05:57
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psychonateah, should be fine then05:57
PrimoTurboand before I was getting 200 with no drivers05:57
kostkonPrimoTurbo: ok05:57
dTkhi. what's the name of the modules.conf file under ubuntu and where can i find it?05:57
LinuxJonesPrimoTurbo, did it ever work ?05:58
PrimoTurbopsychonate: u might be correct05:58
PrimoTurboonly esd works here?05:58
PrimoTurboI need alsa or something?05:58
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PrimoTurbothis is probally a sound issue isn't it05:58
psychonateWell, don't get ahead of yourself. Did you get to see any ouptut from the terminal?05:59
PrimoTurbohold on I might have to relogin05:59
psychonateer, why05:59
PrimoTurbocause i'll get the black screen05:59
PrimoTurbohow do I save the log?05:59
PrimoTurbofile.txt 2>&1 ?05:59
psychonateif your screen goes black, hit ALT+CTRL+F2, login, kill the proccess, and then ALT+CTRL+F7 to get back to X06:00
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PrimoTurbookay I'll try it, thanks06:00
psychonateThat's how I usually handle these things anyway06:00
PrimoTurbok I didn't know, 1 min06:00
psychonatejust make sure you know how to kill processes heh06:00
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psychonateI'm going to guess he didn't know how :(06:02
jordan_does anyone know of a good package to convert wma to mp3 or ogg?06:02
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psychonateewww06:02
PrimoTurboI have a problem06:02
PrimoTurbohow do I kill doom3 process after?06:02
kostkonkill -9 pid06:03
psychonatejordan_, you'd be converting one lossy codec to another. That's generally a bad idea because you're going to get even more loss06:03
PrimoTurbok06:03
psychonateIt's better to try killing without -9 first06:03
dimitrisI got a problem with gtk1 application fonts. The /etc/gtk/gtkrc.utf-8 somehow got edited and uses some ungly fonts. Can someone post his gtkrc.utf-8 file so that i can restore my fonts settings for gtk1 apps. Thnx06:03
kostkonps -fu username06:03
kostkonand then kill -9 pid06:03
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kostkonok without -9 first06:03
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psychonatejordan_, it's better to just rerip your CDs, or else leave them as is if you can06:03
MyKq3hi06:03
jordan_really06:04
psychonatejordan_, however, if you do rerip your discs, ogg vorbis is a good choice06:04
jordan_that will take a LONG time06:04
MyKq3how can i find out what is my Ubuntu boot partition ?06:04
jordan_I originally recorded them as 192k VBR wma, but now that I am a dedicated linux user, I would like to get mp3 or ogg06:05
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psychonatejordan_, with the amount of loss you'd get from converting from one lossy codec to another lossy codec, I don't think it's worth it to reencode wma/mp3 to vorbis myself.06:05
LinuxJonesjordan_, .ogg is awesome :)06:05
psychonateI would leave the files as is, or take the time to just rerip my CDs straight to vorbis.06:05
rekaMyKq3: look at /boot/grub/menu.lst06:05
jordan_that would take weeks06:06
jordan_it is a 47 GB collection06:06
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phixionwhy use wma over mp3 anyway? :o06:06
MyKq3were do u have to look ??? reka06:06
jordan_I was an idiot06:06
PrimoTurbohow do I find the list of proccess to kill06:06
elwoodomg06:06
psychonateThen I would leave my files as is, and just rerip new CDs (when I get them) to ogg vorbis from now on.06:06
jamesdoes anyone have a linux based system?06:06
elwoodit takes too time06:06
kostkonps -fu username06:06
elwoodjames, i have06:06
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kl4hi06:07
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kostkonPrimoTurbo: ps -fu yourusername06:07
kl4where can i paste?06:07
jamesi just started using it and it is kinda harder then i thought06:07
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rekaMyKq3: scroll down for a section that has a title similar to something like this:06:07
PrimoTurbothnx06:07
rekatitle           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.10-5-38606:07
jamesi am just trying to get it to play some music but i have having trouble installing things like that06:07
MyKq3thanks06:07
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psychonateYou have to realize that mp3, vorbis, wma, and many other codecs are "lossy," so you lose a little bit with each encode; it's not good to reencode them more than you have to.06:07
rekaMyKq3: then look at the kernel line....for something like 'root=/dev/hda3'06:08
MyKq3reka,  many thanks man06:08
rekanp06:08
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PrimoTurbomy desktop is fucked06:09
PrimoTurboit's in 640x48006:09
kostkonPrimoTurbo: what happened!?06:09
rekapsychonate: for some reason i thought of chinese whispers when you gave that explanation :)06:09
PrimoTurboand I can't see what I'm typing06:10
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kostkonjust restart gdm?06:10
dimitrisAnyone? Just paste the info from /etc/gtk/gtkrc.utf-8 file to restore my settings.06:10
PrimoTurbountill it scrolls06:10
PrimoTurboand mouse doesn't work06:10
psychonatereka, er, I don't follow you. Do you mean like literally people whispering in chinese lol?06:10
ploppPrimoTurbo: kcontrol ->periphals -> display06:10
PrimoTurboI killed the doom 3 process06:10
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psychonatePrimoTurbo, ok, where you able to get back into X fine then?06:10
psychonates/where/were06:10
ploppif ure using kde, of course.06:10
PrimoTurbobut my desktop is stuck in 640x480 and I just see kstkon just now06:10
rekaPrimoTurbo: try ctrl+alt+'+' for the res problem06:10
kostkonPrimoTurbo: or just restart gdm06:10
PrimoTurbo.06:11
rekapsychonate: wow, you've never heard of 'chineses whispers' !?06:11
psychonateThe whole point of him going through all this trouble was so that he wouldn't have to restart anything06:11
psychonatereka, no :(06:11
psychonateShould I have?06:11
PrimoTurboI'm in gnome but I can't see shit06:12
PrimoTurbomouse doesn't work ;(06:12
psychonatePrimoTurbo, did you try the what reka said?06:12
plopprpes [srtg] +[alt] + '-'06:12
ploppPrimoTurbo press [srtg] +[alt] + '-'06:12
LinuxJonesPrimoTurbo, ctrl + alt + backspace key and then re-login06:13
rekaheh06:13
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aigleblanctu !06:13
aigleblancHello06:13
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PrimoTurbohow do I restart gdm?06:13
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rekaplopp: where's the 'srtg' button?06:13
rekaPrimoTurbo: what LinuxJones said06:13
Josh43lol - looks like I came in just in time.. My gdm/graphics are broken as well06:13
PrimoTurboyeah didn't work06:13
ploppreka: sry, its my german layout, i meant ctrl06:14
Josh43Anyone know how to fix error 11?06:14
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psychonatePrimoTurbo, ALT+CTRL+BACKSPACE didn't work?06:14
PrimoTurboI will loose the doom3 stuff in my terminal06:14
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rekaplopp: oh, ok :)  what's german for control?06:14
LinuxJonesPrimoTurbo, if you can't do that your system is frozen and you will need to hit the reset switch on your pc06:14
psychonateThat is true. You really should be able to just fix your resolution on the fly.06:14
psychonateI'm not sure why you can't06:14
ploppreka: steuerung06:15
PrimoTurbodoom3 terminated after Also06:15
PrimoTurboalsa06:15
psychonateah,06:15
psychonatecouldn't initialize sound?06:15
kostkonPrimoTurbo: restart gdm: ctrl-alt-backspace06:15
psychonateI suspected this.06:15
PrimoTurbobe back in 1 sec06:15
PrimoTurboa06:15
psychonateIf that's the case, it probably doesn't like your sound server. Personally, I hate sound servers with a passion, so I always kill them.06:15
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PrimoTurboOkay back06:16
psychonatePrimoTurbo, mind doing some experimentation?06:16
psychonatePrimoTurbo, what sound server do you run?06:16
lerojmy mplayer plugin for mozilla firefox isn't working06:16
psychonateesd?06:16
PrimoTurboI think so06:16
jiaxianghi, i have a problem mounting windows, anybody can help?06:16
psychonatePrimoTurbo, 'ps -e | grep esd'06:16
psychonateis it shown?06:16
PrimoTurbowhat will that do06:16
rekapsychonate: chinese whispers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_whispers06:16
reka:)06:17
psychonateIt will show you if esd is running.06:17
PrimoTurbops -e | grep esd06:17
Josh43jiaxiang: You mean mounting an ntfs drive?06:17
PrimoTurbois what I get when I run it06:17
psychonatenot in here06:17
psychonatein a terminal06:17
PrimoTurbomy bad I was posting results06:17
psychonateIt didn't show ESD?06:17
PrimoTurboand it didn't copy them because terminal is not ctrl + c06:17
PrimoTurboit did06:17
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PrimoTurbo 6973 ?        00:00:00 esd06:17
jiaxiangjosh: yes. actually i mounted the ntfs drive, now my problem is accessing it06:17
kl4i need to pasteeeeeeeeeee06:17
psychonateok, do this: 'killall esd'06:17
psychonategood?06:17
raven3x7anyone know if geforce 6200 cards are suppoerted in ubuntu?06:18
jiaxiangjosh: i mounted it to /mnt/win, but now i can't access it unless in root, and i can't change the permissions on it either06:18
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blueCommandHi06:18
reka!tell kl4 about pastebin06:18
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Josh43jiaxiang: Ahh.. it's just mounted with restricted permissions.. you could mount it as home/win06:18
psychonatereka, oh, I know that game06:18
psychonatereka, we always called it "telephone" lol06:19
blueCommandTo get to my point, I didn't recive any prompt to set the root password while installing ubuntu, so I'm wondering how I'm supposed to become root?06:19
PrimoTurboyeah it worked06:19
Josh43jiaxiang: That means you get it only for the one user o course06:19
psychonatecurse western culture heh06:19
psychonatePrimoTurbo, excellent. Try doom3 now.06:19
PrimoTurboit worked06:19
PrimoTurbodoom3 runs with sound now06:19
psychonateTwo points for psychonate.06:19
PrimoTurbo1 question06:19
Josh43blueCommand: Dont.. use (and love) "sudo"06:19
rekai'm an aussie.06:19
PrimoTurbodo I need to kill esd all the time now?06:19
psychonateYet another testament as to why I hate sound servers.06:19
PrimoTurboalso many of my music apps use it06:19
PrimoTurboin fact my whole system does06:19
rekawe always called it that....never heard of 'telephone' till i read that page. :)06:19
psychonatePrimoTurbo, well, you can restart esd easily once you're done playing with 'esd &'06:19
ploppPrioTurbo: let ur apps use gstreamer06:20
blueCommandJosh43, mount then?06:20
psychonatePrimoTurbo, so, you have two options:06:20
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Shingamihello?06:20
blueCommandJosh43, I tried to use gksu or what it's called, but it asks for the root password, no luck06:20
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jiaxiangjosh: i get the same problem mounting it to /home/win06:20
rekablueCommand: :06:20
reka!rootsudo06:20
uboturootsudo is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo06:20
Shingamii'm a newbie06:20
psychonatePrimoTurbo, either kill esd before you want to play doom3, then start esd afterwards with 'esd &' or look on the forums for a way to make doom3 work with ESD.06:20
Shingamican someone help me06:20
Josh43blueCommand: type sudo <yourcommand> : it asks for your own user password06:20
PrimoTurboI don't think u can06:21
psychonatePersonaly, as I said, I absolutely hate sound servers, so I don't know a way to make doom3 work easily with ESD off the top of my head06:21
PrimoTurbowhat about setting all the apps to run in Alsa?06:21
PrimoTurbocause it works for me also06:21
kl4i have this http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/32618706:21
ploppPrimoTurbo use a shellscript to let esd be killed and restarted autmatically06:21
ShingamiI'm needing help loading drivers06:21
Shingaminewbie here06:21
psychonatePrimoTurbo, I'm not sure if all the GNOME apps will like that.06:21
Josh43blueCommand: Or, if you really want: sudo -s (root prompt)06:21
PrimoTurboI see06:21
psychonatePrimoTurbo, a good solution would be to make a little script to start doom3 for you.06:21
rekaShingami: what drivers?06:21
PrimoTurboI like that06:21
PrimoTurbohow can I make one like that?06:22
psychonateI don't know much about scripting, but it shouldn't be too hard. Let me try to make one quick for you.06:22
kl4http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/32618706:27
PrimoTurboand how can I make a icon for doom3?06:27
blueCommandJosh43, thanks06:27
psychonatePrimoTurbo, what is the command to start doom3? simply 'doom3'?06:27
PrimoTurbodoom3-demo06:27
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Josh43jiaxiang: not "/home/win", but <your home directory>/win06:27
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JoshRAHallo is there away to do a network install06:27
JoshRAof ubuntu06:27
jiaxiangjosh: thanks, i'll try it again06:27
rekaShingami: in the channel please06:27
Di42loif i have : 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440]  (rev a3) - what do i need to apt-get to install it ?06:27
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psychonatePrimoTurbo, alright, give me a minute. I don't do much scripting, so I'm not sure if this will be good or not heh06:27
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LinuxJonesPrimoTurbo, the doom 3 file that you run is probably a script itself. If so you can just add the command to that script itself at the top. (If doom3 is designed like Quake3)06:27
PrimoTurbono problem, thanks for your help, I aprricate it06:27
Josh43ok, anyone ready yet to help me with error 11 on an ati a64 box?06:27
ShingamiNvidia drivers06:27
Shingaminforce and nvidia video06:27
Di42lonvidia-glx ?06:27
Di42lowith all the dependies ?06:27
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psychonateyeah, you probably could change their startup script, but I usually prefer to leave those things alone.06:27
Shingamireka?06:27
reka!nvidia06:27
ubotuwell, nvidia is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto06:27
Di42lotgx06:27
Di42lothx06:27
rekaShingami: go to the page ubotu spat out06:27
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LinuxJonespsychonate, true, but then again I am a dog for punishing myself :D06:27
Shingamithx06:27
JoshRAHello, I see the install from kanopix can i do that drom the liuve cd?06:27
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carloshola buenas tardes06:27
psychonatePrimoTurbo, mind if I PM you?06:27
Shingamihey reka06:27
PrimoTurbonp06:27
enohow do I give my self access to write on /dev/hda4 (or whatever)?06:27
PrimoTurbopm me all u want06:27
Shingamithat shows how to load ubuntu drivers06:27
Shingamibut not the nvidia drivers06:27
Shingamiif that makes sense?06:27
rekaJosh43: afaik, no.  you can't install stuff with the liveCD06:27
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JoshRAreka: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/FromKnoppix06:27
kl4im new bit06:27
rekaShingami: really?  i thought the nvidia stuff was towards the bottom06:27
JoshRAis the liuve cd based off knoppix06:27
Shingaminever mind it does06:27
apokryphosJoshRA: hah! nice.06:27
Shingamii see it now how to do compile your own06:27
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Josh43reka: weren't me that asked ;)06:27
kl4im newbie06:27
LinuxJonesJosh43, I think parts of it were based on the work of Morphix06:28
littlewormhow can i run a command on startup?06:28
Shingamithnx reka06:28
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Josh43JoshRA: The knoppix liveCD is based on debian.. Ubuntu is also based on Debian.. that's about it06:28
Alex[RM-UK] Hi sorry about that06:28
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zeedo:-( http://store.mozilla.org/?r=mozorg06:28
Alex[RM-UK] Lipstick has made a folder in the folder I extracted it to called Styles06:28
rekaJosh43: oh, right :)06:29
Alex[RM-UK] but god knows what to do06:29
enodon't people usually say that knoppix is pretty far flung from debian though?06:29
jiaxiangjosh: i'm sorry, i tried the same thing in my own directory, same result. i can't access it. when i try to chmod it says changing permissions, read-only filesystem and i'm stuck again.06:29
littlewormhow can i run a command on startup?06:29
Josh43jiaxiang: ok, what fstab entry do you have?06:29
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jiaxiangjosh: how do i check that?06:29
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Josh43eno: debian is a core, not technically the logistics and packages around it, so while the traditional debian install is far from what knoppix is; they are brothers06:30
Josh43jiaxiang: /etc/fstab06:31
enoknoppix is pretty awesome... when I was first installing linux it was what showed me the light at the end of the tunnel06:31
enobut HOLY HELL was I ever confused at first!06:31
Josh43eno: Yeah, same.. Knoppix was a gateway :)06:31
rekaeno: as in the install was confusing?06:32
Josh43reka: in general, I think ;)06:32
holycoweno, there is quite a bit to pick up on06:32
enono I tried to just install Debian, but after I installed I just had a command line and no clue what to do.06:32
rekalol, i remember when i first used it as a linux-newbie i couldn't work out what to do at the prompt....had to google to find out you type in 'knoppix' :D06:33
blueCommandhow can I see what programs that are using a specific file?06:33
Alex[RM-UK] hahaha, eariler today I was I was going to try Mac OSX......I totaly forgot you need a MaC pc to even run it :(06:34
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Alex[RM-UK] bugger to than then :(06:34
holycoweno, was this before debian sarge?06:34
Josh43reka: lol.. yeah, it took me 2 hours to find "startx"06:34
blueCommandtrying to solve "** WARNING **: alsa_setup(): Failed to open pcm device (hw:0,0): Device or resource busy"06:34
LinuxJonesblueCommand, lsof06:34
holycoweno,  i believe debian asks you if you want desktop/server/etc06:34
enoMaybe06:34
holycowdesktop does install a desktop actually06:34
enowell that shows me!  I was confused though06:34
enoand I still am!06:35
holycoweno it will take about a year :)06:35
jiaxiangjosh: my fstab has entries for the ext3, swap, cdrom and floppy drives.  it doesn't haev any entry on my ntfs drive06:35
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holycowputter around, then you will have an 'aha' moment and it all shall make sense06:35
rekaJosh43: that's rather understandable though :)06:35
Josh43jiaxiang: go to wiki.ubunutu.com , and look up mount ntfs - that will sort you out no problem :)06:35
jiaxiangjosh: alright thanks06:36
enoso is there a way to give my eno user access to a partition like root has, or do I have to do everything in prompt?06:36
holycoweno, for that you will still haveto use command line06:37
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holycowuntil someone writes an interface for fstab06:37
enooh well.  I am fine with typing06:37
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holycoweno, just keep in mind there is a reason no one bothers writing on06:38
holycowit's just easier to use the cli as the interface06:38
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smmorning all06:39
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enoYou just change the permissions to the drive somehow...  I don't see why there is no reason to do that06:39
smI have a mixture of ext3/ntfs/fat partitions06:39
enopartition I mean06:39
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smhow do I go about adjusting their sizes without re-installing from scratchg06:39
enoinstall gparted06:40
sorush20guys I have more than one of the same printer drivers installed. how can I make sure I only have one..06:40
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LinuxJonessorush20, gnome-cups-manager ?06:41
trans_errhow can I make certain init scripts load in the background, and not have to wait for them to complete06:41
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smeno, I can't figure out how to do it with gparted06:42
smit won't let me do most operations06:42
LinuxJonestrans_err, you can add a '&' like foo& to make it run in the background06:42
smdo I have to run it from a boot cd ?06:42
enowell It wont resize ntfs I know06:42
enoso you would have to copy that data to somewhere else and then format it as something worhtwhile like xfs06:42
trans_errLinuxJones: so I have to find the part of the script thats stalling, or where the script is being called?06:42
smok thanks.. but I'm looking for the tool/method to resize what I have06:43
psychonatejust run the script from the command line and add a & after the name06:43
trans_errLinuxJones: theres are init scripts at boot time06:43
smI feel there must be a way by now06:43
LinuxJonestrans_err, you should add those to your script so that each command will run in the background as a different job06:43
Josh43Ok, last chance; anyone want to help me w/error 11 while trying to run x11? Or point me towards wiping the current display drivers and reinstalling?06:43
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LinuxJonestrans_err, ohh06:43
trans_errLinuxJones: light bulb go off :D06:44
LinuxJonestrans_err, :)06:44
trans_errLinuxJones: any ideas now :D06:44
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LinuxJonestrans_err, I wouldn't mess with any init scripts to be honest06:45
moyogorrrr06:46
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trans_errLinuxJones: yeah, but I should be able to tell it to load networking in the background while gdm and such loads-- it seems backwards that the computer can't be loading other things06:47
moyogobreezy is still no good for testing?06:47
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charlesI'm running breezy right now, most of the system works but Xorg was difficult to get setup... not recommended for non-tinkerers06:47
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moyogocharles: mmmm maybe i'll give it a shot then06:48
lokcharles, mine have problemes with keayboard06:48
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psychonatetrans_err, things would maybe get a bit disorderly, considering some things need to load before others06:48
psychonatebut I'm no expert on init06:48
charleslok: yeah mine too... I wouldn't switch to breezy without a backup system06:48
lokand is slower than old one06:48
charleslok: what's going on with the keyboard?06:49
loksome keys combinaison are invalid06:49
moyogois the live cd good?06:49
trans_errlooks like its time for me to tinker :D06:49
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jordan_does anyone know where you can read more about the breezy development?06:50
Josh43moyogo: definately, yes06:50
jordan_I really want to know how things are going, when the expected release date is06:50
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Josh43jordan_: October06:50
jordan_and what to expect06:50
jordan_I can't wait06:50
editedhello, i need help with Xorg, i dunno why this time i got an error, i have installed ubuntu on this laptop several times and i never had any problems06:50
jordan_I love the 6 month release cycle!!!!06:51
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enocan I just upgrade in october or will I have to reinstall?06:51
zanyhey06:51
Josh43jordan_; You and me both.. I'm an upgrade whore ;)06:51
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jordan_it is like christmas/kwanza twice a year06:51
zanyhaving a question or at least a problem06:51
Josh43eno: Ubgrade is no problem06:51
charleseno: upgrade pobably06:51
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jordan_you can upgrade easy06:51
jordan_apt-get upgrade-distro or something like that06:51
enoI love ubuntu06:51
moyogobut the channel's topic is still warning not to! ;P06:52
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Josh43jordan_: that easy? I thought you had to change to the upgrade repository, then run an upgrade all06:52
thr1ceyou change hoary to breezy in /etc/apt/sources.list, then run apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade06:52
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zanyi tried to disable ipv6 but whatever i do, i always have a superslow internet connection... what is weird is that my internet connection is just a cable-modem connected via ethernet card06:53
zanyanyone has an hint please ?06:53
zanyi'm really stuck06:53
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Josh43zany: test it with doing apt-get on something.. should go at least 50KB/s06:54
LokeDKis there something to make divx movies, in linux, to dvd06:54
psychonateeww06:54
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psychonateseems like a waste of a DVD ;)06:54
Josh43but, since I'm out in the cold for help on my own issue: I need to reboot :)06:54
mjrit's possible, but I think it requires manual labor06:55
psychonatemencoder should be able to do it06:55
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Josh43LokeDK: Yes, it's this great system called "Torrent".. you find the "conversion file" for the movie, and add DVDR06:55
manuLokeDK : acidrip ?06:55
moyogoaight... dist-upgrading to breezy, whatever happens happens06:55
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psychonateLokeDK, http://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24245506:56
thr1cemoyogo, i wouldn't06:56
thr1ceX is broken06:56
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lokmoyogo, it's just what I've made06:56
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manumoyogo : "Whatever" could be a broken X server06:56
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Josh43bbl06:56
psychonateLokeDK, although I would think AVI to SVCD would be more practical, as you wouldn't waste a more expensive DVD disk.06:56
asfracan somebody tell me what to put in sources.list to get mplayer?06:56
zeushello06:56
jordan_divx to dvd won't be very good06:56
lokand I have many trouble with gnome, my keyboard06:56
moyogowhy is it not broken on the live cd?06:56
zeusanyone has experiance with centrino driver?06:56
manumoyogo : Instead, I would just dist-upgrade, cancel, see what packages you really need to upgrade, then apt-get install them06:57
psychonatejordan_, probably not, which is why at least (S)VCD would only waste a CDR.06:57
thr1ceno06:57
thr1cedo not upgrade to breezy packs06:57
thr1cethey are all gcc, and that will break your system too06:57
thr1cegcc4*06:57
asfracan somebody tell me what to put in sources.list to get mplayer?06:57
LokeDKpsychonate, hmm don't really know much about it.. does that mean that my divx avi should be a .. err.. what do you call it.. raw avi?06:57
moyogomanu dist-upgrade was going to install about 700+ packages06:57
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LinuxJonestrans_err, it would be nice if Linux could use the OpenSolaris approach for booting. It can load in like 8 seconds from powerup on a multi-processor system.06:58
thr1cemoyogo, what packs would you like ?06:59
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psychonateLokeDK, I don't think that really has to do with it. Basically, if you convert your AVI to DVD, you will have to burn it onto a 4+ gig DVD, which seems like a waste because your original AVI is probably only like 700MB. If you convert the AVI to an (S)VCD instead, you'd only have to burn the SVCD onto one CDR.06:59
moyogothr1ce:  what's coming up in gnome 2.1206:59
asfracan somebody tell me what to put in sources.list to get mplayer? please06:59
thr1cemoyogo, well, 2.12 is still in beta; i'd wait til breezy hits RC107:00
psychonateLokeDK, and since your source material is only a 700MB AVI, your DVD might not even be that much better than the (S)VCD would have been.07:00
thr1ceit isn't stable at all atm07:00
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asfracan somebody tell me what to put in sources.list to get mplayer? please07:01
[Spooky] asfra: check www.ubuntuguide.org07:01
asfraok, thanks07:01
thr1ceasfra, stop asking; look it up07:01
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psychonateLokeDK, however, you might want to try each one yourself and compare them.07:02
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enohow do I enter a parenteses in the prompt so that it won't give an error?07:02
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psychonateLokeDK, the first link was for conversion to DVD; you can also take a look at converting to VCD: http://fixounet.free.fr/avidemux/07:03
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cute_bettongO_o07:03
LokeDKpsychonate, oh well doesn't matter with the quality :)07:03
enoha figured it out, just like TeX07:03
LokeDKoh thx07:03
psychonateLokeDK, or if you are a fan of mencoder: http://mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/menc-feat-vcd-dvd.html .Their docs look pretty good, but a bit more complicated.07:04
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LokeDKpsychonate, is there a big difference besides gui and text?07:05
psychonateLokeDK, actually, the mencoder docs' examples at the bottom of that page look fairly promising.07:05
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SpeckmadeI, Ubuntu newbie, got some problems. Anyone in the mood to help?07:06
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psychonateLokeDK, not really. Like I said, I would try them both (eventually at least) just for comparison. Right now just pick whichever you think looks better I suppose.07:06
t0mmyshoot, speck07:06
LokeDKoh okay.. i'll start with the gui thing07:06
psychonateLokeDK, btw, that also shows DVD conversion, so they cover pretty much anything it seems :)07:06
t0mmyisn't a download gaim thing pointless in #ubuntu? :D07:07
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psychonatequick note: SVCD > VCD, but you might not be able to fit everything on if you use SVCD. Depends mostly on the length of the video IIRC07:07
jcsAnybody know which package I need to install to get the manpages for standard C functions like memcpy?07:08
LokeDKwhat's the difference between SVCD and DVD (sorry not familar with all that dvd stuff)07:08
djpby changing preferred applications for mail reader and web browser under System/Applications, what is actually changed? does that make a universal change for any programs for example that allow you to send items via email?07:08
psychonateDVD is much higher quality in *most* cases.07:08
SpeckmadeThe most important thing atm is: I need a comfortable way to get installed software back in a form, that others can use to install it on their system.07:08
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t0mmyugh, speck, it's lunchtime for me- but most of these guys can help you07:09
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LokeDKBut I can burn SVCD on a dvd and make it play?07:10
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josh43Yay! Fixed it myself :P07:10
psychonateHowever, you can't get higher quality than you have in the original source material (your AVI in this case). That's why DVD and SVCD probably wouldn't be too different in this case (because you can't gain any quality on the reencode; the best you can do is get about the same quality as in the AVI).07:10
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psychonateLokeDK, SVCD will play on most players. There is a database you can check. I'll try to link you.07:10
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AndieBHola ppl!07:11
psychonateI'm not sure if I explained the SVCD/DVD thing very well, but I tried :)07:11
AndieBThe Ubuntu Linux newbie is back!07:11
LokeDKit's okay :) i understood07:11
psychonateLokeDK, this will show you what your DVD player can do (assuming it's listed): http://www.videohelp.com/dvdplayers07:12
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Heimdallhey room07:12
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Heimdallis there somebody with fluxbox here ?07:13
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nightswimI used to use it07:13
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SpeckmadeDoes anyone know a comfortable way to get installed software back in a form, that others can use to install it on their system?07:13
AndieBSo, anyone who AGAIN call tell me how to install a .jar file with java?07:13
LokeDKpsychonate, mine isn't listed.. perhaps because it's a cheap one.. which is not "famous"07:13
jcarrcan I change my apt sources to debian sources and do a dist-upgrade to Debian Sid?07:13
HeimdallI do not understand why fluxbox change my wallpaper each time I open y session07:13
Heimdallmy*07:13
jcarrAndares, java -jar jarfile.jar07:13
AndieBjcarr: I thank you for that!!07:14
thr1ceHeimdall, set root.command in ~/.fluxbox/init to fbsetbg /path/to/wallpaper.jpg07:14
HeimdallI did change the 'init' file as it is said on the fluxbox website07:14
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jcarrAndieB, all a jar is is an archive file of java binaries07:14
jcarrlike a tar file07:14
jcsHeimdall: so what program are you calling in init to set the wallpaper?07:14
Heimdallsession.screen0.rootCommand:bsetbg -f ~/wallpapers/mirko_invasion.jpg07:14
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LokeDKpsychonate, is SVCD a .avi file? or can be07:14
AndieBjcarr: Oki, I C... (remember, me = newbie ;) )07:14
psychonateLokeDK, well, most players will play (S)VCD, but I can't guarantee that yours will. You'd have to try to know for sure, or else just encode to DVD.07:14
jcsHeimdall: so it's changing to what?07:14
psychonateLokeDK, SVCD is not an AVI07:14
jcarrAndieB, kind of funny, since I am installing J2EE on my laptop right now for development07:15
Heimdalljcs, each time I open my session it is a brown screen without any wallpaper07:15
AndieBjcarr Ah, nice!07:15
jcarrif I could just get oracle installed :(07:15
LokeDKpsychonate, ah i see..07:15
psychonateLokeDK, (S)VCDs are actually created with mpegs07:15
jcswhat happens if you issue that full command in a terminal while fluxbox is running?07:15
LokeDKpsychonate, so it doesn't have the .avi extension? because AVI is set as output07:15
Heimdalljcs, but my file exists, I can change it typing bsetbg -f filename07:15
LokeDKah you can choose that also07:15
AndieBjcarr I just installed j2sdk1.5 in order to be able to use my jEdit07:15
psychonateLokeDK, which guide did you decide to use?07:16
jcarrah, my editor of choice :)07:16
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LokeDKpsychonate, what .. audio does SVCD use? i07:16
LokeDKpsychonate, you mean which program or?07:16
jcarrthe folding feature is probably my favorite, since my class files can sometimes be quite large with all those docblocks07:17
psychonateLokeDK, mp2 usually07:17
Heimdallhum it is weird no ?07:17
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psychonateLokeDK, yeah, which program?07:17
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djpinfact, would i even need to make changes to preferred applications, if i want to use emacs for my web browsing and email?07:17
jcarrwow... my DSL has been fast as of late... I just downloaded a 150mb file in 15 minutes07:17
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djpwould it have any effect?07:17
AndieBHmm, I'm curious of what could be "wrong". Now when running on Ubuntu Linux (5.04) I get the feeling that it takes an unusally long time to resolve DNS queries. It went much faster with my Windows XP, anyone got any idea what can be wrong or changed?07:17
enowhat is fstab short for?07:17
mebaran151_filesystem tab07:17
Speckmadefile system table?07:18
enoit should be partition tab or something :S07:18
mebaran151_filesystem tabulation07:18
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mebaran151_quit07:18
jcarrAndieB, urg... I had that problem before with some other distro... damn I wish I could remember what the cause was07:18
LokeDKpsychonate, the gui.. aviem something07:18
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psychonateLokeDK, alright, and you're looking at that link? It should explain everything pretty well.07:18
paulproteustable.07:19
paulproteusfilesystem table.07:19
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AndieBjcarr Oki... I'm using a Wlan... (D-Link DWL-650)...07:19
jcarranyone know how compatible mono is with .NET?07:19
vader1102jcarr: no idea07:20
jcarrI mean, how much I could write something in C# in mono and I could compile it on .NET with little fuss?07:20
AndieBjcarr So wierd that it takes longer time now, than before... ALL settings are the same as when I run WinXP...07:20
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LokeDKpsychonate, yeah I am.. just not sure which aspect ratio (or however it's spelled)07:20
tucozI am writing a small tutorial on how to get ubuntu running on the laptop I use. Just need to know if gcc is included in the build-essential package. Is it?07:20
tucozthat is gcc and g++07:20
LokeDKpsychonate, http://loke.linux.dk/avidemux.jpg if you please could have a look07:20
jcarrAndieB, yeah.. I'm a computer science graduate, but hardware is my weak point :)07:21
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jcarrI remember having a similar problem though and spending 6 hours searching for a solution07:21
SpeckmadeSomeone has set my system to synchronize the clock to ntp.ubuntu.org or something everytime it boots. How can I reset this?07:21
paulproteusjcarr: Mostly, unless you use the Microsoft GUI stuff.07:21
paulproteusjcarr: You should check out the Mono website for specifics.07:21
psychonateLokeDK, I see your picture, but I'm not sure what problem you are having. Do you mean you don't know what resolution to use?07:22
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skalpeldoes gbnome terminal support transparency?07:22
t0mmyyes07:22
jcarrpaulproteus, cool, because I'm wanting to touch up on .NET since I got hired for a job that'll have me doing .NET stuff07:22
jcarrit's entry level, but I like to get ahead :)07:22
paulproteusjcarr: There are a lot of GNOME apps written in C#/Mono.07:22
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enohas anyone here had trouble setting up SDL dev libraries?  When I compile it seems to be missing something07:22
paulproteusIt's sort of icky-feeling, in my opinion. :)07:22
jcarr.NET and J2EE07:23
t0mmyska, go to edit->profiles07:23
t0mmyclick default and click edit07:23
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t0mmythen go to the effects tab07:23
AndieBjcarr: ;)07:23
djpanyone know anything about preferred applications?07:23
LokeDKpsychonate, nope.. 16:6 ?07:23
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LokeDK16:9*07:23
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paulproteustim: Cool, rochester.rr.com :)07:23
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paulproteustim: I'm from Rochester, though currently at Univ. in Baltimore.07:24
psychonateLokeDK, er, where does it ask you for that?07:24
timyup :)07:24
asfraLokeDK: are you the one that wrote HAM?07:24
doctor_salviahey hey07:24
timpaulproteus, Fairport...but heading off to UB next year07:24
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Speckmadeyou back from your meal, t0mmy?07:24
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LokeDKasfra, err.. what's that?07:25
psychonateLokeDK, 16:9 = widescreen TV. 4:3 = standard TV.07:25
LokeDKpsychonate, in video configuration07:25
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LokeDKoh well i have a standard TV 14"07:25
skalpelhow can i set my gnome terminal to use transparency?07:25
carambolwhats the name of the channel for ubuntu-dev?07:25
thr1ceskalpel, he just explained it to you...07:25
psychonateLokeDK, Use 4:3 then I guess. I didn't realize it would ask you for that. I don't think it's in the guide either.07:25
catolhCan anyone recommend a good bt client? Azureus looks like shit in linux.07:26
asfraLokeDK: it's an assistant manager for an online football game, it's another loke from denmark that wrote it I guess.. :)07:26
psychonatecatolh, I prefer bittornado.07:26
catolhpsychonate, how do i install it and start it?.. :p07:26
LokeDKasfra, Yes it must be :)07:26
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catolhpsychonate, i tried sudo apt-get install bittornado once, but i couldnt start it07:26
psychonatecatolh, did you search the packages via synaptic or apt-cache search?07:27
LokeDKpsychonate, Nah just wanted to make sure :)07:27
enocould someone answer carambols question?  I want to know too07:27
catolhpsychonate, neither, just apt-get install07:27
psychonateLokeDK, if it doesn't ask, I don't reply :)07:27
psychonatecatolh, try 'apt-cache search bittornado'07:27
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leedoes anybody use gnome-terminal with irssi running remotely in a screen?07:28
catolhpsychonate, doh.. bittornado-gui.. :p07:28
psychonateyeah, there is bittornado and bittornado-gui07:28
enocan I mount a second drive into / and get more space?07:28
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t0mmyback, speck07:29
LokeDKpsychonate, okay :) just wondering it says to encode audio .. file>save audio.. that's not an option07:29
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skalpelt0mmy: thank you07:29
t0mmyyou're welcome :D07:29
psychonatecatolh, if it didn't make an icon/menu entry, you should be able to start it with 'btdownloadgui.bittornado'07:29
t0mmy(i need to start cutting down on my emoticon usage >_<)07:29
skalpelt0mmy: is there any way to tint that?07:30
catolhpsychonate, ok, thanks :)07:30
LokeDKpsychonate, nevermind found it somewhere else07:30
t0mmyjust move the shade meter07:30
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psychonateLokeDK, sounds good. If the AVI is a decent size, this all might take a while.07:30
psychonateLokeDK, btw, how big is it?07:31
djpok. i have changed the preferred application that i want to open url links. however, even if i click on a link it still opens in firefox! any ideas?07:31
skalpelt0mmy: yeah but that does not set a color, it just tints the background07:31
esac_i seem to be missing smbmount, what do i need to install to get it ?07:31
catolhpsychonate, i get an error when starting it.. "Mailcap file /etc/mailcap, line 72: incomplete entry ignored."07:31
skalpeli want it to be blue07:31
catolhpsychonate, it doesnt stop though07:31
t0mmychange the BG color in the colors tab07:31
skalpelthank you07:31
skalpelalso, can i set it to open to a certain window size?07:31
t0mmyi don't think so...07:31
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LokeDKpsychonate, the divx avi file?07:32
t0mmywell, using the --geometry command line switch07:32
skalpelok, thank you07:32
psychonatecatolh, it doesn't sound major, so I wouldn't worry about it; I don't think it will affect avidemux. You might want to take the time to check it out sometime though.07:32
skalpel--geometry x y07:32
skalpelcorrect?07:32
psychonateLokeDK, yeah, the AVI?07:32
LokeDK700mb07:32
t0mmyprobably07:32
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t0mmyit might be --geometry=30x40 or whatever07:33
LokeDKpsychonate, what'd think the size of it will be after all that encoding?07:33
skalpelok, thank you07:33
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dvhartI am trying to download breezy sources so I can rebuild a newer version of hplip for hoary... but 'apt-get source' always says it can't find source for the package07:33
psychonateLokeDK, OK, that's good. How long is the movie about? My only concern is that your mpeg might turn out to be too large, especially if you're trying for SVCD.07:33
dvhartI have tried other packages as well, same result07:33
persi1Would anyone like to troubleshoot jack and polypaudio today?07:33
djpok. i have changed the preferred application that i want to open url links. however, even if i click on a link it still opens in firefox! any ideas?07:33
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Cinalriiiiiight SUNDAY DINNER TAAAAAAAM07:34
LokeDKpsychonate, time? 1hour 15 mins07:34
Cinoh sorry, wrong box07:34
Cin:\07:34
dvhartis there something special I have to do in order to download breezy sources to hoary? (besides adding the apt source line) ??07:34
skalpelt0mmy: can you tell me what the full custom command would be to set my geometry?07:34
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indigirl1sudo: unable to lookup satellite via gethostbyname()07:35
LokeDKpsychonate, 790mb.. a normal 80min cd is too small for that07:35
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indigirl1i changed /etc/hosts and suddenly i'm unable to sudo anything! so i can't even fix the hosts file. help!07:35
t0mmygnome-terminal --geometry=50x2007:35
t0mmyas an example07:35
skalpelthank you, i believe that will be all i need/07:36
gradzacindigirl1: use "su" and become root07:36
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bobbydindigirl1, you can select recovery mode on boot up07:36
t0mmyyou're welcome, ska07:36
indigirl1gradzac: ubuntu doesn't allow su07:36
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persi1indigirl1: if you have a root password, try logging into a virtual terminal.07:36
gradzacindigirl1: sure it does, I use it all the time07:36
bobbydindigirl1, in recovery mode you are root on the local machine07:36
indigirl1persi1: ubuntu doesn't allow logging in as root07:37
psychonateLokeDK, honestly, I don't know if that's a typo or not07:37
indigirl1bobbyd: how can i do recovery mode?07:37
gradzacindigirl1: it is more correct to say that you can't log in as root unless you set a root password :)07:37
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bobbydindigirl1, as I said, when you reboot, choose it fro mthe boot menu07:37
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LokeDKpsychonate, oh okay.. well i'll give it a try07:37
persi1indigirl1: It does on my box.  Booting into recovery mode ought to let you fix it.07:37
indigirl1bobbyd: i think i disabled it in the boot menu. if so, what then?07:38
psychonateLokeDK, if it doesn't work out, you can try VCD instead (AFAIK 1 hour 15 seconds will certainly fit on a VCD)07:38
bobbydindigirl1, ohhh. don't know, sorry...07:38
psychonates/seconds/minute07:38
dvhartindigirl1, just edit the grub entry and add single to the kernel options07:38
indigirl1use boot parameter maybe?07:38
gradzacindigirl1: I think you can pass a kernel parameter to start in runlevel 007:38
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thr1cewhat is the name of the player similar to rhythmbox for gnome?07:38
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skalpelcan someone tell me why when i start my gnome-terminal it shows on my screen for an instant and then closes?07:39
dvhartindigirl1, highlight the kernel, press e, highlight the command that starts with kernel, append 'single' to the end, press ESC, press b07:39
indigirl1gradzac: how do i set a root passwd after this mess is fixed?07:39
dvhartindigirl1, sudo passwd07:39
psychonateLokeDK, and if *that* doesn't work out, you can try the mplayer guide or the DVD guide. I wish I could be more helpful than that, but it's been a while since I've done this sort of thing.07:39
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gradzacdo what dvhart said07:39
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asfraAre virus a problem when running linux? are firewalls recommended? *just wondering*07:39
gradzacindigirl1: sudo passwd root07:39
psychonateLokeDK, You can definitely get it one way or another. You just might have to try a few things. At least you'll have a good idea of what you're doing in future attempts.07:40
apokryphosasfra: no, not really needed for ordinary users07:40
dvhartgradzac, root is actually superfluous since sudo is running it as root already07:40
gradzacindigirl1: you said you messed with hosts.conf?  can you fix that with the network app on the System menu?07:40
indigirl1cool. i like/love ubuntu but this is sorta silly. but it will work07:40
asfraapokryphos: ok, thanks07:40
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coolkevHow do i login to my system as root07:40
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indigirl1gradzac: not hosts.conf but hosts07:40
coolkevI'm trying to delete the CVS version of gaim i downloaded07:41
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dvhartis anyone here able to download sources from breezy?07:41
gradzacdvhart: not sure about that, I think "sudo passwd" will change the password for the current user07:41
[Spooky] there is viruses for *nix right ?07:41
djpcan anybody tell me why if you make a change to the preferred applications for use of web browser and mail reader under ubuntu hoary, it makes not the slightest difference!?!07:41
Amaranth[Spooky] : Mostly proof-of-concept things.07:41
gradzacindigirl1: yeah, thats what I meant :)07:41
skalpelcan someone tell me why when i start my gnome-terminal it shows on my screen for an instant and then closes?07:41
dvhartcoolkev, sudo su07:41
[Spooky] Amaranth: hm ok...07:41
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gradzacindigirl1: there is a hosts tab in the network settings app07:41
leeI've just installed warty, and gone to System > Administration > Ubuntu Update Manager, hit "Install", and it segfaulted on zlibg1 ... now the "Installing updates" window is sitting there frozen (unable to close it), can I safely reboot without anything breaking?07:41
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coolkevbut that's in terminal only07:42
coolkevi can't do that in normal07:42
Chris_Tuckeranyone here work with openmosix?07:42
dvhartcoolkev, by in normal I assume you mean in X windows?07:42
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coolkevyes07:42
dvhartcoolkev, running X as root is a bad idea in general07:42
indigirl1gradzac: looks like network settings won't even open. probably screwed up by this07:42
coolkevi want to delete some folders07:42
dvhartcoolkev, however if you _must_ just give root a password07:42
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gradzacindigirl1: probably so, just another thought on how to fix your problem07:42
coolkevdvhart how do i do that?07:43
dvhartcoolkev, so open a terminal, and run 'sudo rmdir badfolder'07:43
indigirl1gradzac: what is the consensus on how to set root passwd?07:43
gradzacindigirl1: "sudo passwd root"07:43
coolkevalso how do i give root a password?07:43
dvhartindigirl1, to be safe, use gradzac's example07:43
skalpelcan someone tell me why when i start my gnome-terminal it shows on my screen for an instant and then closes?07:43
dvhartcoolkev, read this channel man, it's been posted three times in the last 2 minutes07:43
gradzacskalpel: can you load any other terminal?07:43
coolkevi just came on07:43
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skalpelgradzac: yes, i can use xterm07:44
Nevadoanyone know how to fix firefox after installing new theme? it just doesn't start up, "firefox -safe-mode" gives error07:44
znhcan someone say my name here in chat - i'd like to test guifications07:44
gradzacskalpel: start an xterm, type "gnome-terminal" and see if it gives you any error messages07:44
Nevadohello znh07:44
skalpelok07:44
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znhblah.. doesn't seem to work07:45
indigirl1thx gradzac dvhart time for a reboot now...07:45
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skalpelno error message07:45
gradzacindigirl1: good luck07:45
Chris_Tuckeranyone here work with openmosix?07:45
gradzacskalpel: same result?07:45
dvhartcoolkev, you will likely also have to edit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf to allow root logins if that is what you want to do07:45
skalpelyes, same result07:45
znhoh oh now it does07:45
znhfor every message in chat lol xD07:45
znhcan someone say my name here in chat?07:46
Amaranthznh:07:46
skalpelwhat is your name?07:46
gradzacskalpel: not much I can tell you unless you can supply and error message or something07:46
znhAmaranth: hm.. it hates me07:46
skalpelok07:46
Nevadoanyone know how to change firefox theme manually in .mozilla?07:46
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skalpelgradzac: it started after i turned transparency on07:46
skalpelstill no idea?07:46
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gradzacskalpel: turn transparency off?07:47
PenguinBoya question....what directory is my sources.list in?07:47
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NevadoPenguinBoy, /etc/apt07:47
enois there a command to probe my usb for storage devices or wahtever?07:47
PenguinBoythanks07:47
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Nevadoeno, "lsusb" will list usb devices if that's any help07:47
enothanks, that helps a lot07:47
Nevadoeno, dmesg will show kernel info07:47
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knowledge_is there anyway to remove a package without having synaptics try to remove everything else?07:48
skalpelgratzac:There was a problem with the command for this terminal: Text was empty (or contained only whitespace)07:48
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skalpelthat is my error message07:48
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skalpeli used this command line: 'gnome-terminal --geometry=116x20"07:48
enodir07:49
enooops07:49
by_ruffohello people!07:49
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LokeDKpsychonate, thanks i will :)07:49
sven_I have some Problems with modules and raid devices, can someone help ?07:49
by_ruffoi have problems with my sound card07:50
by_ruffosomeone can helpme ?07:50
sven_what sound-card ?07:50
dvhartanyone know how to view the packages that apt thinks it has source for?07:50
persi1by_ruffo: What kind of problem?07:50
by_ruffoaudigy2 zs07:50
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by_ruffono there soud07:51
LokeDKpsychonate, what'd you think the resolution should be? in pixels07:51
psychonateLokeDK, depends if you use NTSC or PAL07:51
gradzacskalpel: you said your problem started after you turned on transparency, right?07:51
LokeDKPAL07:51
skalpelgradzac: yes07:51
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persi1by_ruffo: What program are you using to make sound?07:51
geargolemblender math import error on different python scripts.07:52
skalpelgradzac: i turned it off and it still closes07:52
gradzacskalpel: do you have any other profiles you could use that don't have transparency enabled?07:52
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psychonateLokeDK, also depends on if you're using VCD or SVCD. Use the chart at the top of the mencoder guide: http://mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/menc-feat-vcd-dvd.html07:53
by_ruffoany program07:53
by_ruffono sound07:53
LokeDKpsychonate, ah 480x57607:54
lerojwhat do i do with a .run?07:54
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persi1by_ruffo: what does `aplay -l` show?07:54
skalpelgradzac: i got it tow ork, thank you07:54
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gradzacskalpel: glad to hear it, what did you change?07:55
psychonateLokeDK, if Avidemux doesn't work out for you, the mencoder guide looks pretty complete.07:55
Lie-Algebrahi07:55
CarlFKwhere is a user's crontab file stored?07:55
LokeDKpsychonate, it suggested 480x48007:55
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skalpelgradzac: i had gradzac: i just had 'run a custom command instead of shell' turned on07:55
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psychonateLokeDK, 480x480 is for NTSC? What country are you in?07:56
lerojwhat do i do with a *.run file?07:56
psychonaterun it ;)07:56
charlessh file.run probably07:56
lerojhow?07:56
by_ruffoi have 30 min on ubuntu07:56
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gradzacskalpel: cool, glad you got it working07:56
psychonateLokeDK, US and a few other countries use NTSC.07:57
by_ruffo:)07:57
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LokeDKpsychonate, I live in denmark07:57
skalpelGRADZAC: thank you07:57
LokeDKpsychonate, so we have PAL07:58
Lie-Algebrai was wondering how could it be possible that the options used to mount my win partition in the fstab file are not the same that the ones which appear on a boot time?07:58
psychonateLokeDK, use the PAL resolution then.07:58
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LokeDKpsychonate, yeah07:59
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CarlFKhow do I set what editor crontab-e uses?07:59
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psychonateI got up too early today :(07:59
persi1CarlFK: set $EDITOR or $VISUAL07:59
CarlFKthanks08:00
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D1http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-12/08:02
D1you guys see that?08:02
majicyep08:03
LokeDKpsychonate, "else CQ = 7 for example." - do you know what CQ is?08:03
D1looks good.08:03
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D1breezy is gonna kick ass with gnome 2.1208:03
psychonateLokeDK, eh, no. What is that from?08:04
LokeDKpsychonate, the guide08:04
skalpelcan someone tell me where scripts for irssi would be stored?08:04
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SimonthLokeDK, have you seen my private message? :)08:04
psychonateLokeDK, really, I don't see it. Sounds like maybe using some sort of quality setting, but I don't know for sure.08:04
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LokeDKSimonth, I have now08:05
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LokeDKpsychonate, hmm maybe I'm not looking at the same guide or something08:06
markrianIn Evolution dates are formatted in the US fashion of mm/dd/yy, but I want them to be displayed in the European fashion of dd/mm/yy. How can I change this? My locale settings appear to be correct, I believe08:06
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psychonateLokeDK, http://fixounet.free.fr/avidemux/doc/en/divx2vcd.xml.html ?08:06
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psychonateLokeDK, the page title is mislabeled, but it's otherwise correct for VCD08:07
LokeDKpsychonate, oops no08:07
psychonatelol08:07
boodlesilly dumb apt/dpkg question... I'm trying to install mythtv 0.18.1  from "deb http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian unstable mythtv" but it wants libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed...any ideas?08:07
LokeDKpsychonate, oh.. i was looking at http://avidemux.sourceforge.net/doc/en/capture2SVCD.xml.html lol08:07
LokeDKwell someone has to do stupid things08:08
psychonateLokeDK, that's for a TV card :(08:08
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RolandUhi all!08:08
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psychonateLokeDK, lol well, it's no biggy08:08
TriniTriggs6hey how do I disable splash (for amaroK and RSSOwl)?08:08
psychonateLokeDK, it doesn't hurt anything, but you'll have to start over08:08
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RolandUcan anyone tell me: what's the minimum installed size of  kubuntu+openoffice ?08:08
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psychonateRolandU, tell us how much space you have.08:09
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RolandUpsychonate, a friend of mine has a 2 GB laptop08:09
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LokeDKpsychonate, yeah.. I can live with that08:09
D1hoary + laptop = <308:09
markrianHoary plus a laptop is less than or equal to 3....?08:10
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psychonatewell, I heard that kubuntu is supposedly less bloated than Ubuntu, but I can't say for sure08:10
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psychonateI guess the #kubuntu people might know08:10
D1ehh08:11
RolandUwell, how much would a basic linux system with kde need?08:11
D1I dont know about that.08:11
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Tomcat_RolandU: Maybe a GB...08:11
D1kdelibs, qt08:11
skalpelhow do i change my password?08:11
D1basic kde is ok08:11
LokeDKpsychonate, isn't that one for VCD? thought it should be svcd08:11
D1but then all the apps that come along with it come in bundles and thats what bloats it.08:11
Tomcat_RolandU: The complete system fits on one CD, and I doubt it has more compression than 2.08:12
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persi1Does anybody know how to get jackd to start with a user login, and polypaudio to use jack instead of alsa?08:12
skalpelhow do i change my password?08:12
psychonateLokeDK, depends. SVCD is better quality, but it might not fit onto one disc. If you want to try SVCD anyway, just use that mencoder table to see what resolution and such to use.08:12
[hxcl] Does the ubuntu cd come with kernel source?08:12
RolandUTomcat_, thats a good argument08:12
LokeDKpsychonate, oh okay08:12
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littlewormi can't play mp3 files, totem says i need decoders, how can i find it?08:13
[hxcl] Does the ubuntu cd come with kernel source?08:14
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t0mmyhxcl, no need to repeat yourself08:14
t0mmyand i don't think so08:14
txcangelHeads Up! (sry if im too annoying :-)) i installed Ubuntu like 15 minutes ago and it didnt ask for an root psw during the installation and now i cant log in as root because obviously i dont know the psw08:14
psychonatetxcangel, 'sudo su' and use your user password08:14
abarbaccia[hxcl] , you can install it - do an apt-cache search source | grep kernel08:14
txcangelthank08:14
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psychonatetxcangel, it's a safety precaution08:15
txcangelit worked.. thank you08:15
psychonatetxcangel, you can also execute programs as root via 'sudo <command>' ...it will prompt for password08:15
[hxcl] Well, Im on windows now, and i have need it for another machine without a working wifi connection.. i need the souce for the wifi connection08:15
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SimonthIsnt it more secure having a root password than to use the user password?..08:15
skalpelhow do i change my password?08:15
t0mmyskalpel, type "passwd" at the command prompt08:16
persi1skalpel: `passwd`08:16
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anonei'm trying to install q3demo, but when i run the installer, all i get is a black terminal flashing on the screen for half a second. priviliges are ok. any ideas?08:16
skalpelsudo passthank you08:16
skalpeler.08:16
skalpelyes, thank you08:16
littlewormi can't play mp3 files, totem says i need decoders, how can i find it?08:16
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LokeDKpsychonate, encoding video now.. goin' to take a couple of hours :(08:16
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psychonateLokeDK, yeah, it definitely will. Encoding anything of decent size takes time.08:17
t0mmylittleworm, type "sudo apt-get install libmad0" at the command prompt08:17
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roninohi08:17
Nevadolittleworm, sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad08:17
t0mmythat works too XD08:17
roninowhere in /etc do i have to put a kernel module's name to automaticallly load it at boot?08:17
LokeDKpsychonate, will be angry if it's encoded wrong after thoes hours08:18
psychonateanone, are you running it from the terminal?08:18
persi1ronino: in /etc/modules08:18
psychonateLokeDK, I've gone through that before heh08:18
RolandUok thanks alot08:18
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LokeDKpsychonate, ah hehe.. it sucks08:18
psychonateanone, or are you clicking on it in a file manager?08:18
littlewormNevado: thanks, it worked.08:19
anonepsychonate: from xterm08:19
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Racer_Dhello08:19
t0mmyah, helping in this channel helps for when i'm bored on a sunday afternoon08:19
Racer_DI'm new to ubuntu08:19
t0mmyhello08:19
Racer_DI donwloaded a ppc livecd08:19
roninopersi1: thx!08:19
Racer_Dand all I get is a debian installer08:20
t0mmyo_O08:20
Racer_Dand it says livecd on top08:20
Racer_Dhow do I get some desktop or sth :>08:20
psychonateanone, I had a problem with one of those ID installers whenever it prompted me for root (to install to /usr/local). Anyway, when I starte the installer already as root, it helped me.08:20
psychonateso you might want to sudo ./installer08:20
mcvitiesanyone know a possible way to join .wmv files?08:21
resiakGlue?08:21
Nevadolol08:21
t0mmyracer, i'm not entirely sure what the problem is08:21
t0mmyhave you tried going through the installer?08:22
t0mmydid it ask you to partition or anything?08:22
Racer_Dno, I'm afraid it would install something08:22
Racer_D:D08:22
resiakThe livecd starts off with a bit of d-i08:22
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t0mmyit won't08:22
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blueCommandIsn't /etc/profile used in ubuntu?08:22
yccheokfor d pthread_setschedparam, is it "higher number means higher priority"??08:22
Racer_Dhm08:22
blueCommandI can't set my path variable through it as I'm used to08:22
Racer_Dbut I thought it was supposed to boot right into the desktop?08:22
yccheokfor micro OS, the lower number means higher priority, wat about linux?08:22
Racer_Dyccheok: also08:23
Racer_Datleast it does for nice08:23
resiakRacer_D: it does... Shouldn't be asking you any questions. You sure you got the livecd?08:23
Racer_Dresiak: yea, it says livecd on top of screen08:23
Racer_Dand at first prompt08:23
Racer_DI type in08:23
resiakRacer_D: Then you're okay...08:23
Racer_Dlive-power408:23
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Racer_Dand it continues08:23
resiakAnd you keep08:23
Racer_Dinto installer as I'm used in debian08:23
resiakhitting enter08:23
resiakafter every08:23
Racer_Dasks for language & keyboard08:24
resiaktwo or three08:24
resiakwords, and it's08:24
resiakreally annoying.08:24
yccheokRacer_D: Oh, do you mean linux have a same thread behaviour as micro OS?08:24
Racer_Dno08:24
anonepsychonate: no effect. check it out http://emdia.fi/~jip/here.jpeg08:24
Racer_Dit doesn't do that08:24
resiakRacer_D: So answer it... And see what happens?08:24
resiakNo, I meant08:24
resiakyou're doing that08:24
resiakin here.08:24
Racer_Doh that, sorry08:24
Racer_Dhm08:25
Racer_Dlemme see how for I can go before writting anything to hdd08:25
resiak*gone*08:25
Racer_Dif I get to partitioning it's wrong, right? :>08:25
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psychonateanone, ah, that does look sorta strange. Not sure what to tell you. Only thing I think of is try './<installer> --help' and see if you can get any useful options08:26
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t0mmyhehe there's a #crack-attack on this server08:28
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bobbydis this still how you do IP MASQUERADE under ubuntu? http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO/NAT-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.108:28
anonepsychonate: ok. thanks. must be something wrong with the script08:28
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roninohey tobstar, you crazy checka!08:28
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psychonateanone, looks like it maybe08:28
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psychonateanone, you could check the ubuntu forums I guess08:29
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LinuxJonesbobbyd, you want to share an internet connection ?08:29
bobbydLinuxJones, yes08:29
tobstarhello everyone08:29
bobbydhi tobstar08:30
LinuxJonesbobbyd, firestarter is a nice gui front end for iptables which will setup ics for you08:30
bobbydLinuxJones, ok thanks08:30
LinuxJonesbobbyd, GL08:30
tobstarwhen trying to start kwrite as root I get:cannot connect to X server. why?08:30
anders__thos some baddy user odc on Linux ore eney downloadings programs ??08:31
Cinokay, ubuntu has crashed 5 times in the past 2 days on my P408:31
Cinwhat's all that about?08:31
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psychonateanders__, 0.o what?08:31
SinClaIrRhi08:32
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anders__odc is a downloadings program i like to here if it can run at Ubuntu08:32
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psychonatenever heard of odc08:33
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SinClaIrRi have a problem with php and apache08:33
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anders__k you can fine it at google.com by serch by odc08:34
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anders__chek out this www.xboks.dk sight is one english08:35
SinClaIrRi want execute php scripts in apache but i have a problem and the php scripts not run and appear a dialog to save or open php script08:36
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xenoxaosdoes anyone know if the 2Wire 802.11g pcmcia card works under linux. I have recently come into posession of one and was wondering if it works08:36
SinClaIrRsorry by my english but i'm spanish and my english is bad08:37
dTkhello. which package should i install under ubuntu if i want to view rar archives?08:37
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xenoxaosdtk: do and apt-cache search rar08:38
xenoxaosi would believe it to be something like unrar08:38
SinClaIrRdTk, the unrar descompress .rar but i don't know if view rar archives08:38
anders__sinvlarr dont woy im a danish person as whel08:38
anders__whell08:38
copernicdTk: rar is in universe repository08:39
dTkcuz i cannot open it with file roller08:39
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copernicdTk: you can apt-get it from there08:39
xenoxaosactually its apt-get install unrar08:39
dTkok thx08:39
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SinClaIrRSorry but somebody help me?08:39
LinuxJonesSinClaIrR, there is a Spanish speaking channel for ubuntu as well #ubuntu-es08:39
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SinClaIrRLinuxJones, thank's08:39
XIIIhi, want to know how to setup my pc to write in japanese language?08:40
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LinuxJonesSinClaIrR, once you have unrar installed file-roller should enable you to list and view the files inside.08:40
MrGardenHoseManwhat's the command to stop x?08:41
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hybrid_gothMrGardenHoseMan:  to shut it down?08:41
xenoxaos/etc/init.d/gdm stop08:41
MrGardenHoseManor restart it08:41
hybrid_gothMrGardenHoseMan:  sudo shutdown now08:41
xenoxaosbut make sure you're in a terminal..not x08:41
xenoxaos/etc/init.d/gdm restart08:42
SinClaIrRMrGardenHoseMan, ctrl + alt + backspace08:42
dTkthx, it works now08:42
MrGardenHoseManthanks08:42
XIIIanyone for help?08:42
persi1XIII: I recommend installing uim and anthy.  This worked best for me.  You will need to set your locale to something JP in order for it to work.08:42
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hybrid_gothSinClaIrR:  ctr alt bckspc isnt suggest for it doesnt shut down everything properly08:42
hybrid_gothXIII: what ya need?08:42
XIIIhow could i install it persi1 ?08:42
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persi1XIII: try `sudo aptitude install uim-gtk2.0 anthy`08:43
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XIIIpersi1, then?08:44
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persi1XIII: I also installed uim-applet-gnome, and configured the default locale in /etc/environment.  I think there was also a uim config option: let me check.08:45
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Di42lowhats wrong with the apt-get servers today ? cant apt-get install/update all day08:45
jake22hello guys08:45
Di42loservers are fucked up08:45
XIIIpersi1, ok08:45
jake22i have problem with sound card can you help me guys08:46
NeoFax99Anyone know how to get DIR_COLORS to work?08:46
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jcarrwhat version of mysql is apt-gettable with ubuntu?08:46
persi1XIII: Ah, the detailed instructions will be in /usr/share/doc/uim-applet-gnome/README.Debian after everything is installed.08:46
jake22i have problem with sound card can you help me guys i got no sounds for ubuntu08:46
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persi1jake22: What sound card?08:47
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XIIIpersi1, it just write in katakana here08:47
persi1XIII: Do you have a Japanese keyboard?08:48
XIIIyeah08:48
jake22wait ill verify08:48
persi1XIII: And the key in the upper left doesn't switch?08:48
XIIIyeah08:48
jake22it's AC'97 Audio08:49
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persi1XIII: Hmm..  I forget how to make that work.  Shift-Space works with the default config, although once it is configured for a Japanese keyboard, I recommend disabling this.08:49
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XIIIhow persi1 ?08:49
persi1jake22: Does it show in lsmod?08:50
Nevadoanyone know where the image is for gnome login splash?08:50
persi1XIII: My apologies, but I have forgotten, and can't seem to find the magic right now.08:50
jake22how do i do that lsmod persil08:50
XIIIok, thnx persi108:50
persi1jake22: In a terminal window.  Type `lsmod` and press enter.08:51
Nevadonm found it08:51
jake22snd_ac97_codec         64608  1 snd_intel8x008:51
jake22yeah its there08:51
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Cinum... can someone tell me how to update my ubuntu kernel?08:52
Cinor check..08:52
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persi1jake22: Last time I used intel8x0, I had no sound unless I removed all the OSS modules, and restarted alsa.  I'm not sure of the safest way to do this with ubuntu.  Anyone else?08:53
skel__sup08:53
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jake22so whar are the steps08:53
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persi1jake22: try running the following in a terminal, although I warn you that google or the ubuntu wiki may provide a simpler method: `sudo rmmod snd_pcm_oss; sudo rmmod snd_mixer_oss; sudo rmmod snd_seq_oss; sudo /etc/init.d/alsa restart`.08:57
zeusanyone has experiance with centrino driver?08:57
Stazhum I thought normally oss wouldn't be installed with ubuntu08:57
jake22ok and then persil ill restart08:58
persi1Staz: OSS modules aren't loaded, but the above command removes the ALSA OSS emulation layer.08:58
persi1jake22: Restarting might help, but if you restart, the commands I listed will no longer apply to your running configuration.08:59
Stazok08:59
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oscar77777777777777777777777777///////////////0..00000000000000000000000000000000000000000,klkm.............\09:02
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LinuxJonesoscar, !!!09:02
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ThewrdnrdIs there some sort of splashscreen that appears the first time GNOME is run under Ubuntu?09:03
ThewrdnrdBefore the desktop jingle?09:03
zeuswhat can i do with an rpm driver, that when i convert it with alien does not install it but only copies the files somewhere ?09:04
LinuxJonesThewrdnrd, usually there is an Ubuntu spash screen09:04
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leeis there a way to allow me to use the Windows key or Menu key as a modifier?  e.g. windows-1 to switch to workspace 109:04
ThewrdnrdLinuxJones: Only the first time? Is there some way to get past it if I can't see the screen?09:04
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LinuxJonesThewrdnrd, nope it runs every time09:05
LinuxJonesThewrdnrd, your jsut getting a black screen ?09:05
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ThewrdnrdAnd this is before the audio startup jingle plays?09:05
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LinuxJonesThewrdnrd, yes09:05
persi1zeus: Usually drivers match specific kernel versions.  Unless you have the RPM kernel installed, you'd do better to compile from source with module-assistant.09:05
ThewrdnrdLinuxJones: I don't know. I'm blind, and am trying to get the GNOME accessibility stuff working. Can't get to a GNOME desktop, though.09:05
ThewrdnrdI am on my laptop, but I'm not sure how I did it.09:06
Thewrdnrd.xsession-errors looks clean.09:06
zeusi see. ill check if there is a source. its a lexmark laser printer e23209:06
LinuxJonesThewrdnrd, argh09:06
MartenHwhat does dpkg stand for?09:06
skel__depackage09:06
MartenHty09:06
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skalpelwhat does this error message mean?09:07
skalpelClosing Link: 127.0.0.1 (Install identd)09:07
ThewrdnrdOn my laptop I get the little drum solo, log in with GDM, then get the desktop jingle. On the desktop I get everything but the latter, and my .gnome2* directories look incomplete.09:07
skalpelis it likely my computer has been rooted?09:07
xenoxaosdpkg is the debian package management system09:07
skel__so it depackages :P09:08
LinuxJonesThewrdnrd, you need to install 2 packages to get assistive technologies up and running you need to install gok and gnopernicus09:08
ThewrdnrdLinuxJones: Already have.09:08
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LinuxJonesThewrdnrd, first try installing ubuntu-desktop to make sure all the files you need are already installed09:08
ThewrdnrdWorks nicely on my laptop; I just don't appear to be getting to a desktop on, well, the desktop. :P09:09
ThewrdnrdLinuxJones: Already have.09:09
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ThewrdnrdEverything is installed and dist-upgraded.09:09
ThewrdnrdAnd ps auxw shows that ssh-agent and friends are starting, but doesn't show any GNOME processes running.09:10
LinuxJonesThewrdnrd, it's hard to diagnose the problem, what kind of video card do you have in that machine ?09:10
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ThewrdnrdOne sec, lemme refresh my memory.09:10
jasoncohenis there a totem plugin for firefox available in hoary or is that a feature to be added in gnome 2.12 (just saw some info on that in slashdot)09:10
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adilfulargne1 here09:11
ThewrdnrdAh, NVidia GeForce2.09:11
adilfularghullo09:11
ThewrdnrdLemme look at the X logs.09:11
adilfulargcan ne1 help me09:11
adilfularghullo09:12
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persi1jasoncohen: The totem plugin will be available in breezy in October.09:12
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psychonate|AFKHow can we know if we can help you if we don't know what the problem is?09:12
shammyI've been unsuccessfully trying to uninstall linux for the last week or so now.. i've tried fedora, ubuntu, and vidalinux and cannot get xserver configured on any of them.. Is there a distro that is likely to work, or something i can do to fix my ubuntu install that is currenly on my slave hd?09:12
LinuxJonesThewrdnrd, ok if you can do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg , accept all of the defaults except the video driver and select VESA as the video driver. (Note the driver that is currently selected)09:13
adilfulargneed help installing ubuntu09:13
ThewrdnrdI don't see any video configuration errors/warnings in the log.09:13
Nevadoshammy, what's the problem?09:13
persi1shammy: does the livecd work for you?09:13
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shammyI haven't downloaded the live cd09:13
jasoncohenpersi1, thanks for the info. do you know what features it has currently? how does it compare with mozilla-mplayer? i might build totem from breezy on my hoary box to see how the plugin runs09:13
adilfularghow do i keep my xp intact09:13
shammypersi1: i'll start the live cd torrent now09:13
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LinuxJonesThewrdnrd, I had problems with the nv driver and had to use the vesa driver to quickly get up and running.09:13
shammyNevado: the problem is whenever i reconfig xserver, it either doesn't work or doesn't even write the file09:14
adilfulargi have 2 cd09:14
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adilfularggot frum website09:14
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zeuspersi1, i have these DL options: AIX, solaris, HP-UX, suse, red hat linux09:14
zeuswhich one should i get?09:14
zeusoh, btw, whats the command to find a file on the HD?09:15
adilfularglost in here09:15
adilfularglocate zeus09:15
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persi1zeus: Ummm...  That doesn't sound like source.  Try googling for your printer and linux to see if anyone else has configured it properly.  I don't print, so I'm not sure I can be much help.  Also, `locate` or `find` work well.09:16
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adilfulargdo i have to eras all data for installing ubuntu09:16
t0mmyimposter XD09:16
zeus:)09:16
ThewrdnrdLinuxJones: Vesa is the only selected driver.09:16
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ThewrdnrdIs there some way to take a screenshot?09:16
skalpelhi, i installed a realplayer plugin for my firefox browser and it asked me to resatart firefox yet i have done this and it still does not work, can someone help me?09:16
adilfularghullo09:17
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tommi^Hi. I'm wondering why my OO.org 1.1 file dialog is still OO.org's not Gnome's eventhough I have installed openoffice.org-gtk-gnome package?09:17
adilfulargx)09:18
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shammyIf i download the live cd, and run it, supposing it works i could just copy its xorg.conf over to the installation, right09:18
shammy?09:18
adilfularg?09:19
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persi1shammy: that should work.  Also, I've forgotten the details, but you can reset the xorg MD5sum for dpkg-reconfigure somehow.  My apologies I have not been able to find it.09:20
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skalpelthewrdnrd: the print key takes a screenshot09:21
NeKoRaMahu09:21
enohas anyone gotten java to work in firefox, or is it impossible?09:21
NeKoRaMahi09:21
skalpelthewrdnrd: and i believe alt + print takes a shot of a specific app window.09:21
NeKoRaMaI have a pb, can someone help me ?09:21
skalpelhi, i installed a realplayer plugin for my firefox browser and it asked me to resatart firefox yet i have done this and it still does not work, can someone help me?09:21
Thewrdnrdskalpel: Thanks.09:21
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NeKoRaMawhen i try to configure an apz, the console tell me that i haven't any acceptable C compiler, what can i do ?09:22
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skalpelanybody home09:23
t0mmydoes anyone have a converter for MODSs->mp3s?09:24
t0mmyMODs*09:24
NeKoRaMawhen i try to configure an apz, the console tell me that i haven't any acceptable C compiler, what can i do ?09:24
t0mmyit's actually a .it09:24
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toukkaNeKoRaMa, sudo apt-get install build-essential09:25
jasoncoheni'm trying to install the build-dependencies for totem but i just get "E: Build-dependencies for totem could not be satisfied.". is there any way to get more verbose output?09:25
Rusty1NeKoRaMa: what is an apz?09:26
NeKoRaMaapplication ^^09:26
NeKoRaMawhen i install my ubuntu, there where no information about the su pswd ... so i don't know it ...09:27
persi1jasoncohen: in the source deb, look in the control file: it should list the build-depends.09:28
skalpelnekorama: it is the same as your user password09:28
skalpelyou just cannot login as root.09:28
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skalpeluse sudo or a root terminal09:28
skalpelwhich is available from your gnome menu09:28
NeKoRaMathx i will try09:28
skalpelk09:28
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NeKoRaMathx ^^09:28
fr500hello09:29
jasoncohenpersi1, that's not the problem. i could just do an apt-cache showsrc totem09:29
pavkahave someone in hoary instaled gtkboard? ive some problem09:29
fr500a question, is there a cd, like a netinstall cd that downloads all you need via apt?09:29
NeKoRaMa<= n4p :/09:29
Rusty1NeKoRaMa: get binutils as well09:29
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NeKoRaMabinutils ?09:29
jasoncohenpersi1, i didn't want to have to enter every dependency to find out which i can't satisfy- and with my luck it was the very last one09:29
leeis there a .deb package of thudnerbird 1.0.6 available anywhere?09:29
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jasoncohenapparently libgnome-menu-dev requires libgnome-menu 2.10.1 and i have 2.10.2 from backports for smeg09:30
jasoncohenlee, backports staging has one09:30
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bobbydis there anything I need to do to let machines on my LAN query my nameserver? I have allow-query { localhost; 192.168.1.2;}; in the named.config.options file, but the nameserver doesn't respond09:30
jasoncohenlee, pitti from ubuntu-devel says that he has prepared one for hoary-security. it should be available shortly09:30
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fr500bobbyd, maybe you have firewall on the lan interface?09:31
kev0rAnyone here know how i can fix automount on my USB?09:31
kev0ri've no Gnome or something installed09:31
oggahWhy does the Windows GUI (95,98,NT,XP) feel more responsive, snappy than Linux window managers?09:31
oggahIs there any solution to this.09:31
kev0rjust xfce4, added it to fstab, but not autodetecting it, have to manually mount09:31
fr500oggah, I feel the oposite09:31
kev0rme 2 oggah09:31
NeKoRaMai can't install anything ... what is this fucking unacceptable C compiler ? ...09:32
Amaranthjasoncohen: get libgnome-menu-dev from backports :)09:32
fr500NeKoRaMa, you want to compile?09:32
fr500did you get build-essentials?09:32
NeKoRaMai want to ./configure ...09:32
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persi1jasoncohen: I understand.  You'll probably want to test this, but you might try : `sudo aptitude install `apt-cache showsrc totem | awk -F: ' { print $2 } | sed s/,//g``, but this wouldn't help the backports version issue.09:32
NeKoRaMafr500,  what is built essentials ? ... i'm a noob :/09:32
bobbydfr500, I'm running firestarter, but I ticked the "share internet connection" box09:32
oggahyou feel the oppsite, thats strange..09:32
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fr500NeKoRaMa, you should apt-get install build-essnetial first09:33
skalpelhas anyone else had trouble with getting realplayer to work inside of firefox?09:33
NeKoRaMaok i try09:33
fr500boobyd, try iptables --t filter -F09:33
fr500and try again09:33
fr500iptables -t filter -F09:33
NeKoRaMafr500,  i do it, but ./configure don't works ...09:33
jasoncohenpersi1, the problem was that i am using the official backports server but i had to install libgnome-menus 2.10.2 from the old backports server which i now have disabled so apt couldn't install the matching version of libgnome-menus-dev09:33
jasoncohenpersi1, i enabled the old backports server and now it works fine09:34
fr500NeKoRaMa, you downloaded build-essentials that fast?09:34
bobbydahh09:34
NeKoRaMafr500,  y09:34
Mezwill you lot stop saying backports :P09:34
Mezlol09:34
leejasoncohen: excellent, thanks09:34
persi1kev0r: try usbmount.  I've not tested it, but it appears to do the right thing.09:34
fr500NeKoRaMa, ??09:34
bobbydfr500,   I think it's hosts.allow09:34
NeKoRaMafr500,  ho no ... i don't see that it don't find it ...09:34
kev0rarg :)09:34
persi1jasoncohen: glad to hear it.09:34
fr500boobyd i set up a dns last week, didn't have that issue, but i didnt use firestarter09:35
NeKoRaMaw8 i'm downloading it ^^09:35
kev0rcommand not found, but when i'm doing it manual, i might as well make an alias to "mount /dev/sda1"09:35
fr500NeKoRaMa, sudo apt-get install build-essential (or build-essentials, i'm not sure)09:35
NeKoRaMait's ok ;)09:35
NeKoRaMait works09:35
persi1kev0r: `sudo aptitude install usbmount`09:35
NeKoRaMathx for all ;)09:35
kev0rpersi1: Or does it work auto as a deamon :)09:35
fr500no prob09:35
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persi1kev0r: It's supposed to work with hotplug & udev.09:36
kev0rok great09:36
kev0rbut persi1 apt-get install usbmount-> usbmount package not found :/09:36
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persi1kev0r: It's in the universe repository.09:37
fr500bobbyd, did you get it to work?09:37
kev0rpersi1: lemme check i've i got them added, i thought so...09:37
kev0rpersi1: check, hoary universe is present in /etc/apt/sources.lst09:38
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persi1kev0r: I'm not sure then.  Try `aptitude search usb` for a list of apps, one of which ought to work.09:39
kev0rdoing that right now, not finding anything i'm seeming to need :/09:39
persi1kev0r: How about usbmgr?  Is that in your repository?09:40
kev0rpersi1: plz be so kind as to check "usbmgr - User-mode daemon09:40
kev0rLOL09:40
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kev0ryou're checking it i guess ;P09:40
kev0rlemme install, can't hurt :)09:40
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kev0rarg, when i install, it will remove Hotplug, Ubuntu base AND udev09:41
kev0rso let's not :)09:41
persi1kev0r: I use gnome-volume-manager for that, and don't want to break it.  The description looks like it might help.09:41
persi1kev0r: Ah, no, that would be bad.09:41
kev0rgnome-volume manager?09:41
kev0rhmmlze09:41
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zeuscant get a network printer to work. whats the syntax for the host and printer name on the add printer dialog?09:41
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fr500what window manager is better xfce or fluxbox?09:41
skalpelhas anyone else had trouble with getting plugins to work inside of firefox?09:42
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Subliminalcould i copy an installation of ubuntu, with packages and configurations to a laptop?09:42
kev0rtrying that :)09:42
syndfr500: try both, see what you like. i prefer xfce.09:42
persi1kev0r: Warning: this requires and loads all sorts of GNOME libs, etc.09:42
zeusSubliminal, im working on a laptop right now:)09:42
Natjafr500, I prefer Xfce too.09:42
fr500synd, ok, which one is lighter?09:42
kev0rhmlz it only says it's going to install 3 packets09:42
syndfr500: fluxbox09:42
fr500synd, ok09:43
skalpelhi, i downloaded a bin file and made it executable using chmod but now when i try to execute it it sas the file is not there, and i am sure i am using correct spelling/case09:43
skalpelany ideas?09:43
syndfr500: xfce4, not xfce btw09:43
fr500oh they are different09:43
kev0rxfce4 works great, you should try it09:43
SeveasSubliminal, it would be better to perform a fresh install on the machine...09:43
kev0ri'm on it now :)09:43
strugglerI keep getting 'Could not open the requested SVN filesystem' when trying to access subversion via apache2. Can anyone help?09:44
syndfr500: yeah xfce4 is much better.09:44
Seveasyou can copy /home/$USER to copy all your personal setting09:44
Seveass09:44
SubliminalSeveas: what about paclages?09:44
strugglerskalpel: try ./filename, that will work if it is not in yourpath09:44
SubliminalSeveas: i assume they're stored locally, i'd rather not download them all again09:44
bobbydwhat do I put in hosts.allow to allow connections from any machine in the  192.168.1.* range?09:44
SeveasSubliminal, on the old machine: dpkg --get-selections > spkg_selections09:44
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drauconq time09:45
Seveascopy the dpkg_selections and all files in /var/cache/apt/archives to the other machine09:45
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kev0ranyone else idea's to get automounting on an USB drive, without gnome09:45
Seveasand on the other machine: dpkg --set-selections < spkg_selections09:45
skalpelstruggler: yes i am using that, it still says no such file or dir09:45
Nevadokev0r, there are projects called submount and supermount i think that would do that, may need patched kernel though09:45
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SubliminalSeveas: kewl thanks09:45
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Seveaskev0r, you need at least pmount pmount-hal and hal installed09:46
Seveas(and hal running)09:46
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vagamentehi all... ne valknut user?09:46
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strugglerskalpel: what is the result of the command file <filename>09:46
Seveasvagamente, if you're looking for the package: it's called dcgui-qt in Ubuntu09:46
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vagamenteno.. i'm just looking for some help...09:47
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fr500synd, enlightment wont like a low end pc right?09:47
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Belutzhai09:48
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Belutzis there anyone using tcsh instead of bash?09:49
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kev0rarg Nevado not fond of those thingies :P09:50
kev0rbut i'll try what Seveas said (pmount pmount-hal and hal)09:50
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fr500how would i be able to install ubuntu on a pc without a cdrom?09:52
abarbacciafr500, network install09:52
abarbacciado you have a floppy drive?09:52
fr500yes09:52
abarbacciagoogle ubuntu network isntall - there'll be info on how to do it09:53
fr500ok09:53
skalpelhas anyone else had trouble getting realplayer to work inside of firefox?09:53
jasoncohenpersi1, i built totem and totem-xine and installed both. Besides the issue of totem-xine being built against gstreamer! (known issue in backports as well), firefox isn't using the totem plugin09:53
persi1jasoncohen: Are any listed in Firefox preferences...downloads...plug-ins?09:54
jasoncohenpersi1, just SPL and SWF09:55
persi1jasoncohen: My apologies.  I don't know what other pieces are required.  If you're feeling *really* adventurous, you mighttry GARNOME or something.09:57
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skalpelhas anyone else had trouble getting realplayer to work inside of firefox?09:59
jasoncohenpersi1, GARNOME?09:59
persi1jasoncohen: http://cipherfunk.org/garnome/ (note - this is neither ubuntu or recommended for those who like stability).10:00
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persi1jasoncohen: The other choice is to install breezy in a chroot, but note that it is still very unfinished.10:02
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glickhi10:03
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ohaysorry if this a dumb question, but what's the default root password?10:03
ohayduring the installation it didn't ask me for one10:03
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persi1ohay: It's disabled by default10:03
glickhey has anyone played netpanzer?10:04
glickhow is it10:04
glick?10:04
ohayglick: really fun10:04
mpmcIs there something for gnome like Quanta Plus., (PHP supported + function reminder tips, syntax hightlighting)10:04
nemiksudo is driving me insane is there any way to install a nice minimal server install WITHOUT sudo?10:04
persi1nemik: sudo su -10:04
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ohayglick: quick strategy10:04
Madpilotnemik: you could log in a root all the time - but this is NOT recommended...10:04
nemikpersi1, thank you will i have to do that each time or only once?10:04
kev0rblah still no luck10:04
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Nevadonemik, sudo su :)10:05
ohaypersi1: what? how do I do stuff?10:05
kev0rhave installed hal and pmount, but still no autodetecting on the USB disk10:05
XIIIhow could i set up a *.bin program?10:05
persi1nemik: every login, and it's also not recommended, but not as bad as setting a root password.10:05
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mpmcanyone?10:05
NevadoXIII, "chmod a+x filename.bin"   then "./filename.bin"10:05
persi1ohay:sudo10:06
XIIIthnx Nevado10:06
Nevadompmc, screem maybe?10:06
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mpmcscreen?10:06
indigo423einen wunderschnen guten abend.10:06
Nevadohttp://www.screem.org/10:06
nemiki want to set a root password and login to root each and every time. i know it can be bad, but i know what i'm doing. you see, i run an SMS server with a phone. sudo keeps losing permissions to folders even chmodded to 777 after ~18 hours10:06
ohaypersi1: but are all users aloowed to sudo then?10:07
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persi1ohay: Permissions are controlled by /etc/sudoers.  By default, the install user has permission.10:07
cavediverWhere do I change the gnome splash screen ?10:07
cavediverHave forgot that10:07
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Nevadonemik, set root password with "sudo passwd"10:07
BrunellusI want to downgrade my kernel10:08
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Amaranthcavediver: art.gnome.org has a tutorial10:08
indigo423ich habe mal eine frage bezglich linuxservern mit debian vs. ubuntu. hat da jemand erfahrung?10:08
Nevadocavediver, /usr/share/pixmaps/splash/ubuntu-splash.png iirc10:08
nemikthanks a lot nevado, i'll do that!10:08
Brunellusindigo423, #ubuntu-de?10:08
indigo423na ja es geht ja auch um debian ;)10:08
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ohaypersi1: another thing, I already had a /home partition which I chose during instalation, but now it says I don't have permission to acess the files on the folder with the same user name10:09
Madeyeguys how to search in my downloaded .deb cache? apt-get cache?10:09
lakincavediver, there is a gconf-key setting that you can use to change the splash as well.10:09
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kev0r<-- starts to cry :)10:10
kev0rSeveas: any more clues?10:10
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persi1Madeye: ls /var/cache/apt/archives10:11
ohaypersi1: do u have any idea why? does it mount the /home partition as read-only by default?10:11
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BrunellusI want to run the warty kernel;  when I apt-remove the hoary one, it will also remove linux-38610:12
Brunellusis this OK?10:12
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Brunelluswhat do I have to do to remove the hoary kernel and go back to warty?10:12
persi1kev0r: You might try http://usbmount.alioth.debian.org/ - it might need some tweaking.10:12
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grey-area'lo10:12
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Brunellusanybody?  I'd like to downgrade my kernel from the hoary one (2.6.10) to the warty one (2.6.8)10:12
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Brunellusdo I simply remove the 2.6.10 kernel and accept the dependencies?10:13
kev0rpersi1: i've installed autofs, its basicly kernelintegrated automounting10:13
Brunellusor is there something else?10:13
kev0rit is tweaked by a command called 'automount'10:13
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kev0rnow only to find out how to call the right functions10:13
skalpelhow can i make totem play realplayer files?10:13
persi1ohay: permissions are encoded with user number, not user name.  This caused me the problem before.  Try sudo chown username thing-to-which-you-want-permission.  Note that this is only a useful strategy for old drives - don't do this for /dev or anything.10:13
hou5tonIs this a bug or something wrong on my end ... when I have both the etho0and etho1 activated (wired and wireless), I get an error: failure in name resolution and although it shows that I am online,... nothing opens10:14
grey-areai've installed libjpeg6.2  through apt-get, but compiler for app that needs it,  doesn't find it. what's wrong?10:14
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patrickjello10:14
JemtHi. I have just removed the old OpenOffice and installed OpenOffice2. How do I make documents open with Open Office Writer, Spreadsheet etc ?10:14
persi1kev0r: you can script stuff with hotplug.  Some documentation is available from /usr/share/doc/hotplug/README.gz10:14
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Brunellusnobody know anything about downgrading a kernel?10:15
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kev0rhmm ok, gonna try this first, then i'm going ur way :)10:15
ohaypersi1: u see, I've got Fedora on another partition and also use this /home partition as it's home, will this mess things up?10:15
kev0ror u can tell me it's surely not gonna work this way :)10:15
fileim having some trouble with my internet on ubuntu, my download speed is seemingly capped10:15
skalpelif i was downlaoding and installing realplayer what dir would i put it in? the installer wants to put it in /root10:15
patrickjIm in ubuntu with openbox and gnome-panel, and I was wondering, how can I change the default icon size, from say 32x32 to 24x2410:15
patrickj?10:15
filei should have a maximum of about 200 kb/s downstream but it seems not to go higher than 46kb/s10:16
persi1kev0r: Best of luck!10:16
arathaldevery time I try to configure, I get this mssg or similar: configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH10:16
flughanyone else have thunderbird refusing to open messages in a window?i can see the preview, but trying to open the message hangs the app10:16
persi1ohay: if you want to be able to access the files from both systems, make sure the user numbers are the same in both /etc/passwd files.  Note that changing this will mess up all the permissions on whichever system you change.10:16
patrickjalso, im trying to install mozilla-acroread, and it said it does not have the required dpendancys, how can I acquire these?10:16
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skalpelwhere should i install realplayer?10:17
skalpelwhat dir10:17
skalpelany suggestions?10:17
flughohay, if that worries you (mucking up uids and all), you may be able to fake it with samba. create a share in samba using that partition/directory/whatever, then use the user mapping in samba. kludge, but doable10:18
patrickjn/m fixed dependancy problem, but what about icons?10:19
ohaywhy are the user numbers diferent for users with the same characeristics? does it use like a md5sum or something related with the kernel/system it's running?10:19
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skalpelcan someone tell me why i am getting this error after downloaded a bin file and using chmod to make it executable?10:19
skalpel./RealPlayer10GOLD: No such file or directory10:19
depraveack10:19
depraverealplayer10:19
samumaybe need to add .bin to the end?10:19
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persi1ohay: the UID is created at install time.  Sometimes different distributions use different default numbers.  Also, usually the users are sequential from the first added, so multiple user machines are more likely to be different.10:19
skalpelsamu: bash: ./RealPlayer10GOLD.bin: No such file or directory10:20
patrickj! HOWTO eterm10:20
ubotuNo idea, patrickj10:20
patrickjpoopers10:20
filei should have a maximum of about 200 kb/s downstream but it seems not to go higher than 46kb/s10:20
fileany ideas?10:20
persi1ohay: flugh's suggestion is probably safer, and less likely to be confusing.10:20
samuskalpel, did you manage to use tab to autocomplete the file name?10:20
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skalpelsamu: no i did not, i dont even know what you mean10:21
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kentskalpel you are sure you got the name right?  Try "file ./RealPlayer.." (press tab to get the hole name).  Maybe its not a bin, perhaps its an archive?10:21
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JemtI have just removed the old OpenOffice and installed OpenOffice2. How do I make documents open with Open Office Writer, Spreadsheet etc ?10:21
skalpelfile browser says it is an executable10:21
skalpelkent: i do not know how to use tab to autocomplete10:21
ohayflugh: will this enable me to use the desired folder as the user's home or only access the contents?10:22
kentskalpel autocomplete is easy. When you are in a terminal, just enter the beginning of the name, and then press tab. that should bring the whole name..  :)10:22
nickrud  l10:22
skalpelkent: lovely. i get a beep when i try to use that10:22
flughohay, i came in after you started, sorry. but, what you can do is have an smbmount where samba will make ubuntu:fred map to fedora:joe transparently10:23
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kentskalpel then either, there are more files with that beginning of name, or there is no file at all with that name in that folder.  (I think.)10:23
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skalpelkent: well, the file is alive and well on my desktop, so i know it is there10:23
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flughohay: or, you can edit fedora:/etc/password change uid of fedora:joe to <somenumber>, then go to /home and do 'chown <somenumber.somenumber> joe' just make sure somenumber is the uid of ubuntu:joe10:24
flughsorry, i'm all caffeined up. i dont make sense to myself either10:24
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kentAnd from the terminal, you have changed to the directory with the file? If you downloaded it to the desktop, then the file is in /home/you-user/Desktop/10:24
persi1ohay:if you chown /home/joe, yuo probably want to use chown -R, to get all the subdirectories.10:24
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flughpersi1, ahh, thanks. you're spot-on.10:25
kentskalpel sorry, forgot to put your name on the last message :(10:25
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vader1102I have smb and smbfs inistalled but want to join a workgroup can anyone help please?10:25
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D1does anyone know how to get Synaptic to remove uneeded dependencies?10:26
flugh[away] gotta work a bit10:26
samuskalpel, did you change to the desktop directory in the terminal?10:26
D1like when I install program X and it brings in A, B, and C. and then I remove X how do I remove the other programs?10:26
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mjrD1, you don't really; you can try to identify them with deborphan, which will catch a part of them10:27
ohaycan I change the uid from ubuntu instead? (maybe it would save some work, or am I wrong?) u see, I already had Fedora installed and have just installed ubuntu10:27
Brunellushow do I edit grub to boot one kernel by default instead of another?10:27
D1hmmm10:27
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mjrD1, otherwise you can use debfoster, to which you can manually say what packages you've purposefully installed, and it'll act accordingly10:27
mjrbut I don't think synaptic supports this10:27
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grey-areai've installed libjpeg6.2  through apt-get, but compiler for app that needs it,  doesn't find it. what's wrong?10:27
SeveasBrunellus, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst10:27
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pestilencedoes anybody know how i could figure out what fonts are missing when i display a webpage that has flash in it in firefox, but some of the fonts are missing?10:27
theineHi, which package does /usr/bin/gnome-video-thumbnailer belong to?10:28
persi1ohay: My apologies, but I think I just understood your issue.  Fedora is working fine, and you just installed ubuntu, right?  If this is the case, and you change the ubuntu /etc/passwd UID before the /home stuff for your new user gets too comfortable, you should have your old environment.  Note that this is not really recommended, as the two distributions probably have differing configurations: it would be better to keep the home dir10:28
pestilencetheine: http://packages.ubuntu.com10:28
Seveastheine, dpkg -s /usr/bin/gnome-video-thumbnailer10:28
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theineSeveas, please try for yourself...10:28
Seveas-S not -s10:29
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Seveasargh10:29
theineSeveas, either way10:29
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Seveasand it's a symlink too :)10:29
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Seveasdennis@mirage ~/foo $ dpkg -S `readlink -f /usr/bin/gnome-video-thumbnailer`10:29
Seveastotem-xine: /usr/bin/totem-video-thumbnailer10:29
Seveasthat way it works :)10:29
BrunellusSeveas:  can I just comment out the lines that I don't want grub to use?10:29
theineSeveas, ah, thanks a lot10:29
fishiei have installed firestarter and have gotten 20 traceroute logs from coming from my isp, or someone with an ip in that class. is this something to worry about or no?10:30
skalpelsamu: yes, i did change to my desktop dir, i get the same error10:30
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skalpelsamu: even though ls says it is right there10:30
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mpmcmy friend cant access my apache server,  I have no firewall/router.10:30
mpmc??10:30
SeveasBrunellus, better simply edit the line that says: default:   010:30
satchhi all - when I try to run debootstrap it exits after saying it can't download base-passwd - anyone know what can be done about that ?10:30
ohaypersi1: I see what u mean, about messing up configurations and stuff. Is there a way to copy one user's permissions and all and only change the user name, so the system creates a new home folder?10:31
BrunellusSeveas:  if default: 0 is the kernel that I don't want10:31
dArtagnanI have a problem with mplayer, I can perfectly play the dvd, but no sound10:31
mpmcHow do I open a port on the system to allow access?10:31
Brunellusso I edit it to default:  210:31
Brunellusif the kernel I want is the third item in the list?10:31
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ohaypersi1: but the new user should have exactly the same characteristics as the one I created during installation10:32
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SeveasBrunellus, correct10:32
Brunellusexcellent.  thank you very much10:32
persi1ohay: Yes!  If you create a new user in ubuntu with a different name, and before you log in, edit /etc/passwd to match the UID of your fedora user (same number, different names), you should be able to access both directories from both distributions, and each will have separate configurations.10:32
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persi1ohay: You may have to edit /etc/group to make sure that the new user belongs to all the same groups as the originally created user.  You will also want to make sure there is an entry for the user in /etc/sudoers.  I don't know of any other special things about the first created user.10:34
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skalpelcan someone help me with this error message?10:35
skalpelThe file /opt/realplayer/rp8_linux20_libc6_i386_cs2_rpm does not exist, or it is corrupt. You may have downloaded the wrong file, or put it in the wrong location. Please try again.10:35
ohaypersi1: what I mean is: is there a parameter/command that copies one user's characteristics and stuf while it's creating another?10:35
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pestilencedoes anybody else have flashplayerlinux + firefox installed?  could you try going to http://macromedia.com and see if you can see the menus at the top of the screen (or are they blank, missing fonts)10:36
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patrickjback lol10:36
Tomcat_pestilence: Works for me.10:37
patrickjanyways, how can I change the size of all my icons?10:37
persi1ohay: I don't know of any.   Sorry.10:37
pestilenceTomcat_: 2 questions, how did you install flash, and did you install any extra fonts?10:37
ohaypersi1: or maybe some way to only change the current user's user_name, so it uses/creates another folder10:37
mpmcHow do O allow people to access my apache??10:37
persi1ohay: Do you already have an ubuntu user folder?10:38
loorniwhen i use this sudo thing it asks password what is the password?10:38
patrickj?10:38
persi1loorni: your login password.10:38
pestilenceskalpel: just install the .bin file from real.com10:38
patrickjwho in here is using Openbox and gnome-panel?10:38
loornipersi1, it says login incorrect10:38
Tomcat_pestilence: I got the flashplayer-plugin for mozilla package installed, that was all... as for additional fonts: Only the msttcorefonts package.10:38
pestilencehrmm.  maybe i should try that one10:39
Tomcat_pestilence: Did you install the flash plugin manually? :o10:39
ohaypersi1: no, because it can't create the folder with the user name, since there is already one with the same name and unacessible10:39
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mpmcwill anyone help me :(10:39
pestilenceTomcat_: no, i don't think so.  i'm not really sure as this home directory has followed me around10:39
persi1ohay: OK.  So which properties of the ubuntu user are you trying to migrate?  Does it have any yet?10:39
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ohaypersi1: only the user rights and stuff like that10:40
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ohaypersi1: just beacuse I'm lazy to look for groups and permissions and apply them one by one to the new user10:41
Tomcat_pestilence: Try uninstall it then until Firefox can't play Flash anymore and doesn't have any flash plugins in about:plugins... then install the package. But if your fonts are broken in Flash it sounds like it's something worse than the plugin itself.10:41
patrickjwho in here is using gnome and metacity?10:41
pestilenceTomcat_: the msttcorefonts fixed it!10:41
fr500hello10:41
lakinSo if I have a problem with package from universe, do I report the bug back in debian's buglist, or is there another path for me to take?10:41
pestilenceexcellent.10:41
Tomcat_patrickj: I *think* I am.10:41
Tomcat_pestilence: Certainly interesting...10:41
patrickjTomcat_: did you change the Window Manager since u install ubuntu/10:41
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Tomcat_patrickj: Isn't Metacity the default for Gnome?10:41
persi1ohay: OK.  The user rights are encoded by name in /etc/group and /etc/sudoers (and maybe somewhere else - I don't know).  If you change the name, you need to change the name in these files, as well as /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow.  Remember to set the UID in /etc/passwd to match the UID of your Fedora user.10:41
skalpelpestilence: i just did10:41
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Tomcat_patrickj: No, never.10:42
tucozAny emacs users around? I find the default font really ugly in ubuntu. How do you change this?10:42
patrickjTomcat_: yes but im using openbox, but i wanted metacity and natuilus back10:42
pestilenceTomcat_: so the *real* reason i wanted to fix this is because any "Gameday" features off of mlb.com would show up blank.  very aggravating when you are trying to follow games :)10:42
fr500what linux would you recommend for a 486dx?10:42
pestilenceskalpel: so forget the ubuntu package.10:42
patrickjI can get metacity back, but I cant seem to get nautilus to work anymore :/10:42
puffAfternoon.  My thinkpad seems to have lost track of its wireless somewhere in the process of coming out of hibernation.10:42
syndfr500: ubuntu server install10:42
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Tomcat_patrickj: Uninstall openbox, try to find the metacity package then reinstall it?10:42
fr500synd, 16mb ram?10:43
Tomcat_pestilence: Indeed... :)10:43
syndfr500: dont know why you would bother with a 486 anyways10:43
skalpelpestilence: well i set firefox to use an external player, totem, how can i set it back to use the realplayer plugin?10:43
pufftucoz: I'm an emacs user, I just tart emacs with a -fot option.10:43
puffEr, -font..10:43
kev0rARG, anyone exp with tweaking hotplug to automount a USBstick?10:43
persi1skalpel: firefox preferences...downloads10:43
tucozpuff: ok, So what font do you start with?10:43
puffStandard xwindows font argument,  though in my case I kept it courier, just enlarged the font size.10:43
ohaypersi1: and do u remember how to change the user_name? (command line style, since I can't login graphically)10:43
fr500synd, it's a laptop access point :D i'm reusing trash hardware to build a MAN with my friends10:43
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skalpelpers1: ok10:44
loorniwhat if i cant remember my password?10:44
puffOne sec, rebooting that machine now to see if that fixes the wireless (rebooting to fix  a problem, sheesh, feels like I'm on windows :-).10:44
kev0rpersi1: didn't work with autofs10:44
persi1ohay: sudo vi /etc/passwd; sudo vi /etc/shadow; sudo vi /etc/group; sudo vi /etc/sudoers10:44
pestilenceloorni: you can boot into recovery mode and change it10:44
persi1kev0r: At least you're developing a nice catalog of things that *don't* work.10:44
skalpelpers1: i do not see any plugins for the file type realplayer uses10:44
skalpelnot that i recognize anyway10:45
nightswimvipw10:45
kev0rhaha, BIG catalog :)10:45
patrickjTomcat_:  I know how to get metacity back on, its not a problem but I cant seem to get the nautilus desktop to restore :/10:45
ohaypersi1: no chuser -parameter or something ?10:45
persi1kev0r: The only things I can think of that you haven't listed are usbmount and hotplug scripts, neither of which seem to be available easily.10:45
lakinnm, I found the appropriate pages10:45
puffDamn, well, rebooting fixed it.10:45
tucozpuff, ok. I try some more.10:45
Tomcat_patrickj: Did you try 1) to reinstall the Nautilus packages and 2) to reinstall the ubuntu-desktop package?10:46
persi1ohay: I don't know of anything like that, sorry.10:46
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puffSo I start my emacs with:  emacs -font -*-courier-*-r-*-*-20-140-*-*-*-*-*-* &10:46
puffemacs -font -*-courier-*-r-*-*-20-140-*-*-*-*-*-* &10:46
ohaypersi1: ok then, sorry for bugging u10:46
puffYou can select a font using xfontsel10:46
persi1skalpel: how about something in the File Types section?10:46
pestilenceskalpel: did you have to install a totem plugin for firefox?10:46
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tucozpuff, Ok, thanks. I have pasted a font I like in .emacs.10:47
puffit's basically a font-browser, lets you tweak the different bits of the font parameter and see what it looks like.10:47
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patrickjTomcat_: how would I go about that?10:48
tucozpuff, yes, I tried that just now. I'll fiddle around some more. Thanks for the help.10:48
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puffSo my wireless issue is fixed, but if anybody has ideas about what happened, and a lest drastic fix than rebooting, I'd love to hear about it.10:48
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concept10Amaranth, are you here?10:50
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persi1Is anyone familiar with jackd?10:51
ohaypersi1: just one more thing, I think that maybe the system configured itself with a strange charset, because many characters in the manpages are screwed, do u know how to change/view the default charset configuration?10:51
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Keshhi all10:51
KeshI have a question10:51
kev0rpersi1: any id on how to script the hotplug to automount usb, that readme you showed me isn't really helpfull10:51
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Tejahi everyone10:52
ohaypersi1: I think that the manpages use UTF-8, which is kinda the default for documentation, right?10:52
puffHi.10:52
loornipestilence, and how do i boot into recovery mode and change my password?10:52
persi1ohay: My apologies, but I don't remember.  Maybe dpkg-reconfigure locales?10:53
KeshI would like to chat just a minute with somebody that had tried linux and xp10:53
Tejahi, can i get help with the /etc/hosts.conf file?10:53
TejaI messed it up10:53
Tejaand can't do much in GNOME now10:53
BurgundaviaTeja, help is in #ubuntu10:53
Tomcat_Kesh: Just ask in here. :)10:53
BurgundaviaTeja, I apologize, I thought I was in #ubntu-devel10:53
Tejaah :P10:53
persi1kev0r: No: I was never able to figure out hotplug scripts.  I didn't have much luck with google either: perhaps you'll have more?10:53
hou5tonIs this a bug or something wrong on my end ... when I have both the etho0and etho1 activated (wired and wireless), I get an error: failure in name resolution and although it shows that I am online,... nothing opens10:53
Keshok, my computer came with XP....  is it worth to try ubuntu ??   what advantages should I expect ?10:54
ohaypersi1: oh, and another thing, I looked into my sudoers file and it does not contain my current user, even though I can sudo with it, how is that possible?10:54
hou5tonKesh:  It's more of a philosophical thing10:54
Tomcat_hou5ton: Check "route" and "less /etc/resolv.conf" for your router and DNS servers.10:54
persi1ohay: Yes, it's probably UTF-8.  Also, I probably misremembered how sudo works: try man sudo.10:55
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kev0rhaha like i'm gonna have luck :/10:55
Keshdoes that mean that there are no real advantagess10:55
Tomcat_hou5ton: Sounds to me like your DNS server (resolv.conf) is not reachable.10:55
Tomcat_Kesh: It really depends on what you want and need.10:55
hou5tonKesh:  sure ... there are some10:55
KeshI need a fast computer...as everybody10:55
Tomcat_Kesh: Ubuntu gives you a whole lot of absolutely free software in both meanings...10:55
Tomcat_Kesh: It gives you the freedom to change anything in your system, whatever you want...10:56
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glickdoes ubuntu maintain their own kernel or do they use the debian one?10:56
persi1kev0r: Well, the coin can only come up tails so many times...10:56
Tomcat_Kesh: If you want your laptop to send an email every time you get into your home wireless lan, it's easily possible... that'd be a hell of a task in Windows.10:56
Tejawhere can i find the default hosts.conf file?10:56
Keshgod...thanks god it is free...with that kind of speech you couldnt sell a single copy10:56
Tejaor one that works10:56
Tejamine i s corrupt10:56
Seveasglick, ubuntu uses debian kernels as base, but with a lot of Ubuntu specific patches10:56
ttyS0does anybody know any good CD-R/RW burner with GTK interface? :)10:57
Tomcat_glick: I *think* they have their own kernel... as there's binary drivers in there.10:57
Tomcat_ttyS0: I like the Nautilus burner... not enough for you? :D10:57
glickno one uses vanilla kernels right?10:57
ttyS0Tomcat_, doesn't work for me10:57
SeveasTeja, hosts.conf for which application?10:57
loorniWhen i try that sudo nano what ever it says "Login incorrect" where is the problem?10:57
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Tejaseveas, /etc/hosts.conf10:57
Tomcat_Kesh: That's because I don't want to sell anything. I don't persuade people into getting Linux, I wait for them to come. :o10:58
SeveasttyS0, gnomebaker & graveman10:58
Thewarmachinegcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2)::::is this ok?10:58
Keshlooks to me like a lot of troubles for nothing... I really want to try it, but cant find what are the advantages...except for the free thing10:58
Teja /etc/hosts10:58
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SeveasTeja, ah10:58
hou5tonTomcat_:  shouldn't Ubuntu work with both eth0 and eth1 activated in System/Administration/Networking?10:58
Tomcat_Kesh: If you like to play around with your computer, that's an advantage as well... apart from that I can't really find any. I'm using it for the freedom and the tinkering. :)10:58
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Tomcat_hou5ton: If you have a bad configuration, it will show it as working but in reality won't work.10:58
SeveasTeja, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/84910:59
hou5tonok10:59
hou5tonthanks10:59
Seveaschange 'mirage' to your hostname10:59
ttyS0Seveas, thx10:59
Thewarmachinegcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2) is this ok or did I screw something up??10:59
glicki have a question how can you use gdb on an application that was  built for another application?10:59
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glicki mean for another platform10:59
Tejathanks seveas, will try10:59
persi1Kesh: It's not well described.  Try the livecd, and if you like it, consider installing.  If you don't like it, stick with XP.10:59
Keshok, thx anyways.... I just wanted to know....Im a systems engineer, but I prefer to use the time in creating stuff using tools already available...10:59
Tomcat_hou5ton: For example, if my DHCP server would be configured to serve 10.0.0.100 (doesn't exist) as DNS server, the config would be okay... but the DNS wouldn't be found.10:59
SeveasTeja, and remove the 172.* lines :)10:59
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tjmhey guys, need some help setting up a PCI modem under ubuntu 5.04. The device manager sees a HaM controllerless modem just fine, but when I try autodetecting a modem in network setup, nothing is found.10:59
tjmany ideas?10:59
Seveastjm, that's a winmodem, you need to google and do a lot of things to get that working...11:00
Tomcat_Kesh: persi1 brought up a good point... try the LiveCD. It shows what you will get, without any risk and without using much time.11:00
Keshyeah, I already scheduled the download for tonite, but I wanted somebody to tell me the good things in a brief comment11:01
tjmgod damnit :|11:01
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hou5tonTomcat_:  it appears that the wireless is set up the same way as the wired ... DHCP ... not sure what else to look for11:01
Tomcat_Kesh: To be honest, there are few things that work better than in Windows, and lots that work worse... so I guess from your standpoint there are few advantages. If you like the freedom though, it's great.11:02
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persi1Kesh: Do you use the POSIX layer for XP, or cygwin?  If so, you get all that without the annoying separation between the environments.  If not, perhaps just that software installation and management are easier.11:02
Keshok, thx a lot and good luck !!!11:02
Tomcat_Kesh: For the few things that work better: I got Ubuntu on my laptop and main PC, and the machine sharing is just awesome...11:02
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Tomcat_Kesh: I can use applications on my main machine if the laptop is not fast enough, I can quickly access all my data, anywhere... total freedom to use whatever machine you want for anything. That's fantastic.11:03
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Tomcat_Although that's certainly available on Windows XP too, if you invest some money. :o11:03
Tejahow do i find my host name?11:03
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concept10Kesh, advantages:  Freedom (you stated), but for me speed and stability over windows, package management, great community, the ability to install customize and GAWK at all the code you want to.11:04
Tejanoob :P11:04
Keshwell.... I have a wireless network at home....using xp and windows 2000 in a laptop....everything works fine11:04
Tejahere11:04
ttyS0is it possible to restart HALD? If yes then how?11:04
Tomcat_Teja: cat /etc/hostname11:04
ploppTeja, hostname11:04
LokeDKpsychonate, you there?11:04
Tomcat_Oh... or "hostname", thanks plopp.11:04
Keshwell....for the amount of applications I have installed, probably not worth to try to start all over under linux....11:04
Tejathanks11:05
Tejaplopp and tomcat_11:05
concept10Kesh, you dont have to start all over, plus, with APT you can install all of those apps in one command11:05
Tomcat_Kesh: Nobody says you should switch in one day... try the LiveCD, if you like it, install it and dual boot for a while...11:06
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filei switched in one day...11:06
enomsg nickserv identify gr33n11:06
Keshwell...thx I will try the livecd... and will comeback to let you know...11:06
fr500Kesh, i have a wireless WAN, 20 ppl connected, al linux machines through wireless usb dongles+cable extensios and ubuntu, my same pc is router, AP, dns server, mail server and provedes gateway for internet.11:06
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fr500Kesh, flexibility is the key11:06
Tomcat_file: Depends on how you define that switch... I've known Linux quite well for over a year before I switched, so I won't only count the one day it took to transform. :)11:06
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Keshsounds good11:06
Tomcat_eno: You should change your password quickly. :)11:07
fileyeah yeah, one day...11:07
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Keshis it stable??11:07
concept10I switched over a period of about 6 months.  I used to dual boot alot but now I dont11:07
fr500Kesh, Ubuntu, yes it is, it doesnt like mixing repositories and some other stuff, but for the rest it's fine11:08
Tomcat_Kesh: Absolutely stable.11:08
kev0rpersi1: i've some progress11:08
Keshwell, to tell the truth,  win xp has been veryu stable....and win2000 has been excellent... sorry if I dissapoint some anti bgates folks11:08
Tomcat_concept10: I would never be able to go through with such a method... I'd always miss Windows then. :)11:09
concept10Kesh, stable as a hardwood floor11:09
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kev0rive written some configs in autofs (automount)11:09
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fr500Kesh, this pc has XP, the major issue is Internet Explorer11:09
persi1Kesh: In all honesty, it's stable as long as you aren't using newer 3D graphics cards with accelleration.  In this case, some games will cause crashes.11:09
Tomcat_concept10: I'm really quick in navigating in Windows, and Gnome isn't as responsive, so dual boot would be 90% Windows for me... ;)11:09
kev0rwhen i plugin the USB drive, in ps aux a [usb-storage]  pops up11:09
fr500Kesh, it installs a lot of stuff without asking11:09
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fr500even with the latest security patches11:10
pestilenceloorni: anybody answer your question?11:10
Keshthanks to all, this is a great community11:10
persi1kev0r: excellent!  At least something is working.  Do you have /etc/fstab entries to match against?11:10
fr500yes it is11:10
ttyS0hald hangs sometimes. how can i restart it?11:10
enowhere to enable ssh or other network daemons?11:11
concept10Tomcat_, I miss my audio applications in Windows.   Besides that, you have to think what do you do everyday?  I play one game.. I browse the net, check email and IRC.  A couple of documents here and there and I have a server.  It fits my needs.11:11
Keshprobably I will try it in a new computer, keeping the windows based one11:11
ploppeno /etc/init.d/11:11
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fr500Kesh, the LiveCD/DVD is great to try11:11
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concept10Also, windows responds slower for some reason.. I think it maybe Norton SystemWorks clogging my system11:11
KeshI will.....have a nice sunday evening !!!11:11
Seveasconcept10, norton systemclogs....11:11
Tomcat_concept10: Yeah... almost the same for me. It's so much browsing, mail, office, irc, there's no need for Windows really.11:11
persi1eno;Also, try dpkg-reconfigure (daemon package)11:11
Keshall norton stuff is heavy....loads of resources badly used11:12
Seveasneeding tools like systemclogs rules out the possibility if ever using windows for me...11:12
Tomcat_concept10: What I miss most is the flexibility and just-works-feeling I had with movies and series...11:12
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enothx guys11:12
Keshlater11:12
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concept10Tomcat_, I cant even watch a movie in Windows.. Video is broken in all apps11:12
Tomcat_concept10: Sure there's w32codecs and libdvdcss, but they're nowhere near as good as the Windows counterparts, but acceptable.11:13
concept10Tomcat_, but are you having problems watching movies?11:13
penguinboypenguinboy@ubuntu:~/sunbird$ ./configure11:13
penguinboybash: ./configure: No such file or directory11:13
Tomcat_concept10: Well my last Windows install had a horribly broken codec registry as well - because of huge (80 MB) codec packages... that will never happen in Linux.11:13
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penguinboyneed help...I am trying to install Sunbird....I changed to the directory and typed ./configure but got an error message....any idea11:13
SeveasTomcat_, w32codecs ARE the windows counterparts...11:13
Seveaspenguinboy, because you are not in the top-level sourccode directory of sunbird11:14
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Tomcat_concept10: Sound is sometimes lagging behind the picture, WMV is working badly in anything but mplayer... :P11:14
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penguinboyDeveas....how do i get there11:14
concept10Tomcat_, do you have DMA enabled?11:14
SeveasTomcat_, that's what mplayer is for, others don't officially support it ;)11:14
persi1Tomcat_: Attaching totem directly to ALSA solved that for me.11:14
concept10The only time I get dragging is when DMA is off11:14
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Seveaspenguinboy, dunno, never tried to install it :)11:15
penguinboythanks11:15
nelsongscan somebody help me please?11:15
Amaranthconcept10: hi11:15
Tomcat_Seveas: Yeah the w32codecs are the real Windows codecs, but they don't work as well... I'm not blaming anyone, it's great that it works, and so well... but for some special video codecs it's just better in Windows. Because it's the only target platform. :\11:15
|quad|my breezy xorg isn't working... anyone know if the "no core keyboard" bug has been fixed?11:15
persi1penguinboy: try using ls -F and cd (directory-name) until you find a directory containing configure.  It ought to work there.11:15
kev0rstill nobody here who ever succeeded in getting an usbdrive to automount?11:15
kev0rwithout installing gnome :P11:15
nelsongsi have a killswitch to activate the ip2200, but it doesn't work11:15
Amaranth|quad|: edit the config file11:15
Tomcat_Seveas: You mean xine doesn't officially support w32codecs?11:16
pestilenceTomcat_: really?  i thought w32codecs + mplayer worked really well.11:16
Seveasnelsongs, you probably need to do something in /proc, hang on11:16
|quad| Amaranth to do what?11:16
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concept10penguinboy, you are trying to get a calendar?11:16
persi1|quad|: You need to adjust your xorg.conf: change keyboard to kbd11:16
Tomcat_concept10: Yeah I got that... I haven't really checked when it happens, as it's not so bad and can be fixed by pausing the video shortly.11:16
Amaranth|quad|: change keyboard to kbd11:16
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penguinboyyes...but I want the Sunbird calendar11:16
concept10Amaranth, I was curious if you have seen this:http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-12/11:16
Amaranthyep11:16
|quad|persi1: Amaranth: as in the driver?11:16
Amaranthyep11:17
Tomcat_pestilence: Haven't really checked the lagging sound vids with mplayer... maybe I should. Thanks. ;)11:17
Amaranthconcept10: what about it?11:17
nelsongsSeveas:  okay, can you help me and tell me what to do?11:17
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|quad|Amaranth: thanks, lets see if this worked11:17
Mobiusanyone know of any replacements for the windows backgammong and reversi games? my mother really wants them.. =/11:17
persi1|quad|: Yes, the driver.  Note that there are other issues with breezy X: expect more problems...11:17
concept10penguinboy, If you use thunderbird, there is a calendar extension that is the same as Sunbird11:17
AmaranthMobius: iirc GNOME comes with replacements for both of those11:17
concept10Amaranth, I was wondering if that was your app in there11:17
pestilenceTomcat_: yup.  and remember to change /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf to read vo=xv (vo=x11 won't let you fullscreen)11:17
Amaranthconcept10: nope, that's the official editor11:17
Amaranthconcept10: read the blurb11:18
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Amaranthconcept10: i'm the more advanced 3rd party one11:18
|quad|persi1: thanks... its rebooting now, cross your fingers11:18
persi1Mobius: For backgammon, there's not something in gnome-games: I suggest xgammon11:18
Amaranthconcept10: the official one only shows and hides things11:18
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Seveasnelsongs, please paste the output of the followinf command on http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl : find /proc -name enabled11:18
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penguinboyconcept10....I do use Thunderbird....how do I get the extension11:18
jason__hello i have a ubuntu question11:18
Tomcat_pestilence: Oh, so that's why QuickTime is so small all the time... o_O11:18
hou5toni'm looking for a linux app that will scroll through images automatically that are in a folder of my choosing ...11:18
nelsongsSeveas: no output11:19
jason__i need to append the correct prefix to ./configure for qt headers11:19
jason__how?11:19
Burgundaviahou5ton, gthumb will do11:19
Mobiuspersil: xgammong lacks... polish =/11:19
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Burgundaviahou5ton, installed by default11:19
Seveasnelsongs, hmm, then you will have to wait until tommorow or search somewhere else, I have no physical access to an ipw2200 now...11:19
persi1Mobius: Yes.  Do you know of a better interface: I've been looking for one for years.11:19
Mobiuspersil: for backgammon? nope, im looking myself =/11:20
nelsongsSeveas: okay, but, what should be the problem here?  can you give me an idea?11:20
|quad| anyone know what module v41 is?11:20
Tomcat_persi1: How would I attach totem to alsa? Set audio.driver to "alsa" or something?11:20
pestilence|quad|: video for linux?11:20
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|quad|pestilence: is it important?11:20
pestilence|quad|: depends on what you're doing ;)11:20
concept10penguinboy, hold on let me find the proper link11:20
penguinboythanks11:20
pestilence|quad|: i think you need it to watch tv11:21
Seveasnelsongs, you need to put something in a file in /proc to emulate the killswitch11:21
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Seveasand I can't remember the filename :)11:21
persi1Tomcat_: Depends on which totem you use.  For gstreamer, set the default output to ALSA.  For xine, use the ALSA output plugin.11:21
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amonkeywhat's a good program to organize music/videos?11:21
nelsongsSeveas: my notebook is hp dv4000, will there be a problem?  is it supported with rf switch?11:22
pestilence|quad|: http://www.exploits.org/v4l/11:22
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Sammi_How exactly does one set up Samba to interact between two hard drives in the same box?11:23
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|quad|pestilence: thanks... lemme look... my xorg isn't loading and thats the only error i am getting11:24
DeMiSammi, interact?11:24
LokeDKk3b crashed, now I can't remove it's process.. tried with killall -9 k3b, kill -9 processid, kill -HUP processid... it just won't die11:24
DeMiwhat do you mean?11:24
pestilenceSammi_: ??  why would you do that?11:24
persi1Mobius: If you're prepared to go back to GNOME 1.2, there's gnubg...  It never worked for me.11:24
DeMiwhy would you li8ke to use samba then?11:24
|quad|ohhh, xorg font problems!11:24
Sammi_Pestilence: To move files from one hard drive to the other.11:24
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|quad|thats why it isn't loading11:24
DeMiyou dont need samba then11:25
pestilenceSammi_: why not use `cp`11:25
concept10Amaranth, that sucks ... I would rather see your app in the official release11:25
DeMisamba is filesharing with windows pc's11:25
Sammi_I was told I needed Samba.11:25
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DeMino you dont11:25
Tomcat_persi1: Where would I change that? The totem GUI doesn't give me those options...11:25
Amaranthconcept10: you'll like breezy then11:25
tgwjI have a question about debian package version handling: is X.Y.Z_alphaDATE < or > X.Y.Z ? what about X.Y.Z.0 and X.Y.Z ? ( I am not asking on #debian because they give me no voice )11:25
pestilenceSammi_: only if the hard drive is across the network in a windows box11:25
Mobiuspersil: looks like there is no suitable game =/11:25
concept10Amaranth, is there anyway to integrate that in the right-click menu?11:25
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Amaranthconcept10: Not going to happen, sorry.11:26
pestilenceone needs voice to speak in #debian??11:26
concept10heh11:26
persi1Mobius: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/games-list/2003-November/msg00003.html :)11:26
|quad|Amaranth: you know how to get fonts on breezy working?11:26
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hou5tonBurgundavia:  ok .... so far so good ... but I'm having trouble making it do the slide show in a small window in one corner of the desktop .... where it can just be running, and i can be working on other things as I kind of watch it out of the corner of my eye.11:26
Amaranth|quad|: Yep, go back to hoary.11:26
Sammi_So what exactly is this "`cp`"?11:26
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|quad|Amaranth: :)11:26
Amaranth|quad|: No offense but you're out of your league.11:26
|quad|Amaranth: hehe yeah i knwo11:26
Burgundaviahou5ton, don't know if it can do that. Why are you trying to do that11:26
pestilenceit's cp with two different types of quotes around it11:27
ttyS0i remember that in RH was 'service'. Is it any analogue in Ubuntu?11:27
|quad|Amaranth: you gotta learn somewhere though11:27
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pestilenceSammi_: it's basic command line, you use it to CoPy files11:27
persi1|quad|: If you succeed in the upgrade, you'll be unhappy with the number of features still uder construction.  Lot's of things just don't work yet,  Wait until Spetember.11:27
hou5tonBurgundavia:  good question ..... and you'll probably think I've been using Windows too long  :-), but I enjoy watching pictures of our last family camping trip, etc., as I work on other things.  ... makes me smile.11:27
|quad|persi1: i have been running breezy since the repos opened...11:28
tgwjI have a question about dpkg/apt package version handling: is X.Y.Z_alphaDATE < or > X.Y.Z ? what about X.Y.Z.0 and X.Y.Z ?11:28
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SeveasttyS0, update-rc.d11:28
concept10Amaranth, Im just pissed that I cant right click on a menu element in GNOME and check the properties of something.  This was removed in the 2.10 release.  I guess I will file a bug report.11:28
persi1|quad|: OK.  You7re missing a file.  When you find out which one, you can install it, and get past this.  No more hints.11:28
Seveasconcept10, don't11:28
Seveasit's not a bug11:29
|quad|persi1: hehe :)11:29
concept10Seveas, I know its not a bug11:29
Burgundaviahou5ton, hmm, I don't know that it can be done11:29
tgwjconcept10, could you do that in 2.8 ?11:29
Sammi_pestilence: Okay, so do I have to know the specific file names/paths to do so?11:29
pestilencetgwj: from the dpkg man page11:29
pestilencetgwj: dpkg --compare-versions ver1 op ver211:29
Seveasthen don't file one just because you are pissed11:29
Amaranthconcept10: It'd be nice if you got something like what we have for launchers on the panel11:29
pestilencetgwj: won't that answer your question?11:29
Seveasthey are working on restoring that feature to work with the new standard...11:29
puffHm, anybody know if there's a packageifier for intellij idea?11:29
concept10Seveas, but the user should be able to enable that if they choose11:30
pestilenceSammi_: yes, but if you have the hard drive/volumes mounted, you can use gnome's graphical interface, too11:30
tgwjpestilence, if i was running debian or ubuntu at the mo maybe, but I'm researching for armagetron...11:30
concept10tgwj, that was in 2.811:30
bobbydis anyone here using firestarter to "share" an internet connection?11:30
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Seveasconcept10, agreed, that's why it will be back as soon as it's working :)11:30
pestilencetgwj: so run a live cd11:30
hou5tonBurgundavia:  check this out .... it's the kind of thing I would like to add to my Ubuntu desktop  http://www.desktopsidebar.com/11:30
bobbydit doesn't seem to work here and there are errors when i run it on the console11:30
concept10Seveas, okay/11:30
bobbydit says Bad argument `events-filter-hosts'11:30
ttyS0I thought it's possible to restart hald via update-rc.d, but I was wrong. Any ideas? :)11:30
concept10Seveas, BTW where is this info? Freedesktop.org?11:31
pestilencettyS0: invoke-rc.d, maybe?11:31
pestilencettyS0: i always just do /etc/init.d/whatever restart11:31
Seveasconcept10, gnome.org (freedesktop.org just specifies the standard, gnome implements it)11:31
brettcar                 http://www.desktopsidebar.com/11:31
ttyS0pestilence, me too, but there's not any filename with 'hald' in it in /etc/init.d :)11:31
pestilenceoh11:32
mpmc!xorh11:32
ubotumpmc: Bugger all, i dunno11:32
mpmc!xorg11:32
ubotuI don't know, mpmc11:32
mpmc:s11:32
AmaranthWhat do you want to know?11:32
Burgundaviahou5ton, that looks like the dashboard project, which is sort of dead right now11:32
mpmcwhere do I find out about window managers like gnome?11:33
hou5tonBurgundavia:  oh ... so there was at least "someone" with the same kind of ideas?  ;-)11:33
Mobiuspersil: gnubg looks pretty nice11:33
Burgundaviahou5ton, http://www.nat.org/dashboard/11:33
hou5tonBurgundavia:  k,... thanks ...11:33
Amaranthmpmc: What?11:33
Sammi_pestilence: That's the thing. It won't let me mount the hard drive. It says that "/dev/hdc" is already mounted, but when I go into /dev/, and find the thing called hdc, I double-click on it and it says it can't display it.11:33
mpmcGUI's like gnome.11:33
persi1Mobius: I've been bothered by the gtk1.2 requirement.  Is the interface much better than xgammon?11:34
Amaranthmpmc: You mean Desktop Environments?11:34
Tomcat_persi1: Okay, found out what audio.driver to set.11:34
mpmcyes11:34
pestilenceSammi_: try typing "mount" at a command line11:34
Amaranthmpmc: XFCE, GNUStep, KDE, GNOME11:34
Tomcat_persi1: I'll check it out, thanks.11:34
pestilenceSammi_: you can't open the device directly, you have to open the "mount point"11:34
Amaranthmpmc: Those are the only DEs.11:34
pestilenceSammi_: "mount" will tell you what the mount point is11:34
nelsongsanybody here who can help me?11:35
pestilencenelsongs: just ask11:35
nelsongson the killswitch for ip2220011:35
cafuegoDid you ask a qustion then?11:35
mpmcAmaranth: got anything like gnome..11:35
nelsongsipw2200*11:35
Amaranthmpmc: Closest thing to GNOME that isn't GNOME is XFCE.11:35
hou5tonBurgundavia:  Yep, ... that would be it.  I enjoy getting scrolling RSS feeds and stuff like that...11:35
Amaranthmpmc: The rest are a lot different.11:36
pestilencenelsongs: oh, dunno.  tried the latest drivers/firmware ?11:36
mpmcAmaranth: I didn't like it11:36
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Amaranthmpmc: Then you're kinda SOL. :P11:36
pestilencenelsongs: i have an ipw2200 too, but haven't tried getting the killswitch to work11:36
Amaranthmpmc: There are only so many of these things. It'd better to find the one you like the most and tweak it.11:36
Tomcat_nelsongs: The killswitch works for me, it's hardware based on my laptop.11:37
mpmcthe only thing I liked was the apple like bar..11:37
pestilencenelsongs: but, kismet won't work without the latest drivers/firmware.11:37
concept10What server is the Firefox channel at?11:37
nelsongspestilence:  the ipw2200 was installed properly from ubuntu11:37
pestilencenelsongs: right, and there has been updates to the drivers/firmware since ubuntu was released.11:37
Amaranthmpmc: If you're looking for an OS X wannabe go buy a Mac.11:37
Burgundaviahou5ton, basically, they are currently working on beagle, which does the searching. When they made beagle rock, they will focus back on dashboard11:37
nelsongsTomcat_:  what laptop do you have?11:37
pestilencenelsongs: http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/11:37
Tomcat_nelsongs: HP Compaq NX903011:37
mpmcAmaranth: Cough.. I hate macs11:38
Sammi_pestilence: It tells me nothing about an hdc when I type "mount" in, and when I type "mount /dev/hdc/", it gives me "mount: /dev/hdc already mounted or /media/cdrom0 busy".11:38
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ttyS0ok. ttys0@ubuntu:~$ ps ax | grep hald   ||||      6283 ?        Ds     0:05 /usr/sbin/hald --drop-privileges    ||||| This process cannot be killed. But....may be....I can do that?11:38
nelsongspestilence:  so i have to upgrade the firmware and driver first?11:38
Tomcat_pestilence: Does kismet work with the latest drivers?11:38
Amaranthmpmc: You like OS X but hate the hardware? That's new.11:38
pestilenceTomcat_: yes11:38
mjrAmaranth, it doesn't run w32codecs ;P11:38
mpmcAmaranth: I've never used it!11:38
pestilenceSammi_: then /dev/hdc is your cdrom...?11:38
mpmcAmaranth: nor a mac.11:38
pestilencenelsongs: i don't know, just speculation.11:38
Amaranthmjr: It doesn't need to, it gets real support. :)11:39
Sammi_mpmc: Don't dis what you haven't tried.11:39
Tomcat_persi1: Interesting... it seems totem-xine tries to use alsa as sound source first, but fails because the sound device is in use... killing esd fixes that.11:39
pestilencenelsongs: i'm just saying, some things don't work with the drivers that shipped with ubuntu hoary11:39
Amaranthmpmc: How can you hate something you've never used?11:39
pestilenceTomcat_: i had to compile the latest kismet, also11:39
Tomcat_pestilence: Nice to know... might be good for some wardriving. :)11:39
Sammi_pestilence: Nope. It's a hard drive alright.11:39
nelsongspestilence:  oh i see11:39
mpmcsammi_: I guess your right..11:39
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nelsongspestilence:  what notebook do you have?11:40
mpmcanythings better than windoze! lol11:40
Tomcat_pestilence: I've gone back to 1.0.0 at the moment because the latest versions got bugs I don't want... :o11:40
pestilenceSammi_: what does "sudo fdisk -l /dev/hdc" tell you?11:40
persi1Tomcat_: Try using dmix.  Instructions in /usr/share/doc/alsa-something.  This allows esd+direct alsa (but causes me issues with jackd).11:40
Amaranthmpmc: Actually Windows 2000 and Windows XP are pretty nice.11:40
memindoes anyone know if ubuntu has a Home Design Software package?11:40
nelsongspestilence:  i have a dv4000 laptop11:40
pestilencenelsongs: dell inspiron 700m11:40
Amaranthmemin: I highly doubt it. That's a little overly specialized.11:40
mpmcAmaranth: I have windows..11:40
pestilenceTomcat_: bugs?  never! :-D11:40
mpmcAmaranth: I only use it for gaming...11:40
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Tomcat_persi1: It works on my main machine as well... I got esd running and xine is using alsa perfectly. It's not important if I have to kill esd for non-laggy video... ;)11:41
Amaranthconcept10: Damn you.11:41
memin I am looking for something similsr to Chief Architect Design Software package?11:41
Amaranthconcept10: I'm trying to quit smoking over here.11:41
Tomcat_pestilence: The latest versions have indeed been worse and worse... somehow. :D11:41
|quad| persi1 : you still here? i think if figured it out11:41
concept10Amaranth, me too :)11:41
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Sammi_pestilence: A bunch of stuff about the hard drive.11:41
pestilenceTomcat_: are you talking about ipw2200 or kismet?11:41
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AmaranthCry_Mac_Ubuntu: Interesting nick.11:41
pestilenceSammi_: ok, then i'm guessing you have an incorrect entry in /etc/fstab11:42
Tomcat_persi1: Will killing esd have any side effects?11:42
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Amaranthgrr11:42
Tomcat_pestilence: ipw11:42
pestilenceSammi_: sudo gedit /etc/fstab11:42
AmaranthSeveas: Die.11:42
persi1|quad|: Best of luck with it then...11:42
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|quad|persi1: would a symlink in /usr/lib/X11/fonts to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts work?11:42
SeveasAmaranth, somw day I will :)11:42
mpmcI'll try SXCE again??? is that how you spell it?11:42
pestilenceTomcat_: oh.  uh-oh.  i haven't seen the bugs yet, i'll keep my fingers crossed.11:42
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Amaranthmpmc: XFCE11:42
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mpmctanx11:43
persi1Tomcat_: Without esd, all your libesd-using apps will have no sound (inlcuindg desktop sounds, etc.).  dmix is better if you want everything, unless you want jack.11:43
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benplautAmaranth: what was that display of power for? :P11:43
patrickjI have a problem with Gaim, it wont log me in to MSN, it just hangs at  retrieving buddy list :/11:43
Amaranthbenplaut: * Seveas hands Amaranth a cigarette and lighter11:43
pestilenceSammi_: you could also try "mount /dev/hdc /my/mount/point"  (change /my/mount/point to the mount point of choice)11:43
benplautahh11:43
Tomcat_persi1: dmix is a replacement for esd? Or where in the sound chain does it work? :o11:43
Amaranth!info dmix11:44
pestilenceSammi_: that will bypass /etc/fstab.11:44
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Amaranthoh, package doesn't exist11:44
cafuegoPlease to be smoking OUTSIDE, thankyou.11:44
benplautubotu dousn't take wildcards, unfortunately11:44
ubotubenplaut: I give up, what is it?11:44
benplautoh, be quiet11:44
fileim trying to install the gaim xfire plugin, any ideas?11:45
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cafuegobenplaut: Do a 'find dmix' first then.11:45
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benplaut!find dmix11:45
mpmc!kmix11:45
ubotuparse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, mpmc11:45
mpmclol11:45
persi1Tomcat_: dmix is an input plugin for ALSA.  It acts as a software multiplexor to the hardware.  This way multiple apps can access the same hardware device.11:45
mpmc!info kmix11:45
ubotukmix: (KDE based mixer app), section sound, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3 (hoary), Packaged size: 347 kB, Installed size: 1136 kB11:45
benplaut!info libasound211:45
ubotulibasound2: (ALSA library), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.0.8-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 292 kB, Installed size: 1044 kB11:45
Amaranthok, that's enough now11:45
benplautk11:46
benplaut:D11:46
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Tomcat_persi1: I might try it... thanks so far, valuable member of the community. ;)11:46
catolhIsn't there a equalizer for Rhythmbox?11:46
aimeehey, when the cdrom drive is mounted to /media/cdrom0 it's unreliable and it seems to magically unmount itself - but when I mount the cdrom drive manually to /mnt, I have no problems. I had deleted and recreated the symlink on /cdrom, but I don't think that's the cause. Can anyone help? Thanks.11:47
persi1Tomcat_: I think you'll find something with some details in /usr/share/doc/alsa-utils or somewhere nearby.  If nothing else, google for dmix: there are a number of config files available on the web.11:47
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Sammi_pesti_away: It gives me the same error: "mount: /dev/hdc already mounted or /media/cdrom0 busy".11:48
Sammi_-.-11:48
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Cry_Mac_UbuntuHello, all. Is this the tech, or community room?11:48
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bionicUhm, whats the command to say messages to other people logged in, in terminals.. ?11:49
linlinwall11:49
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Seveasor talk11:49
linlinmmhmm11:49
cafuegoCry_Mac_Ubuntu: A bit of both, just ask the question :-)11:49
bionicthank you.11:49
concept10Cry_Mac_Ubuntu, both of them11:49
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concept10Cry_Mac_Ubuntu, no crying though11:49
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Cry_Mac_UbuntuOh, okay. I don't have time for the answer, but I'll be back. Mean time is it okay to lurk?11:50
Amaranthit's fine11:50
Tomcat_Cry_Mac_Ubuntu: Always.11:50
cafuegoCry_Mac_Ubuntu: yes, just make sure the irc client doesn't do auto-away notifications.11:50
SeveasCry_Mac_Ubuntu, most people in here lurk :)11:50
Amaranthif all 471 people here were talking we'd be in trouble11:50
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SeveasAmaranth, so true :)11:50
scruffy_anaxhello everybody11:50
aimeeanybody? :)11:50
Cry_Mac_UbuntuAlso, will the ubuntu website tell me all I need to know about using it?11:50
cafuegoAmaranth: There are only 42 people, the rest are bots and cloned for logging, surely.11:51
Amaranthit's bad enough at USA after school/work times11:51
SeveasCry_Mac_Ubuntu, the wiki (wiki.ubuntu.com) and forums (ubuntuforums.org) help11:51
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tawhello11:51
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aimeehey, when the cdrom drive is mounted to /media/cdrom0 it's unreliable and it seems to magically unmount itself - but when I mount the cdrom drive manually to /mnt, I have no problems. I had deleted and recreated the symlink on /cdrom, but I don't think that's the cause. Can anyone help? Thanks.11:52
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Iceman-AMD64god i need more ram11:52
ttyS0so...there's no way to restart Hardware Abstraction Layer Daemon? :)11:52
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Cry_Mac_UbuntuSweet. My question was about the installation of programs, but I'll check the wiki. Thanks all, I'm sure I'll be back with real questions.11:52
cafuegonote to self, don't wanke up and use net whilst rsync cronjobs are still running11:52
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Cry_Mac_UbuntuAlso, this is working so much better than smac os.11:52
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Madpilotcafuego: don't *what*?11:52
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tawwhat's the state of the world now ? is it possible to simply resize partitions ?11:52
Iceman-AMD64Got to love 64 bit ... now just need a good game to utilize it11:53
Seveastaw sor some filesystems: yes11:53
Seveasfor others: possibly11:53
cafuegoMadpilot: I must not wake up and start using teh intarwebb whilst by cron jobs are still pulling the server backups down via rsync.11:53
cafuegoMadpilot: It's ;ag central here11:53
Madpilotcafuego: ah, OK. that typo for "wake" was attention-getting...11:53
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tawSeveas: reiserfs ?11:54
scruffy_anaxcrimsun: hello a friend of mine told me you should probably help me with my micro settings11:54
Seveastaw, no idea about that11:54
cafuegoMadpilot: Whoops, missed that completely. Maybe another coffee...11:54
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GivenWayif anyone has a few minutes to help a completely new-to-linux user out, i need help setting up a TV Wonder VE to work in Ubuntu 5.04.  feel free to direct chat as well11:54
Madpilotmore caffiene is rarely a bad idea - speaking of which, brb...11:54
vitryserver libres.irc-hispano.org11:54
La_PaRCaMadpilot, more caffeine is _never_ a bad idea.11:55
scruffy_anaxcrimsun: my mic is just too silent so nobody heres me .11:55
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scruffy_anaxwhois crimsun11:55
scruffy_anaxwhops11:55
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tawdamn, i can't resize it11:55
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tawat least not in parted11:56
benplautwhat to i append to a terminal command to detach the process from an open terminal? "&" isn't working, for some reason11:56
dbw2311:56
dbwoops, disregard that11:56
dbwbenplaut: not working?? what are you trying to run?11:56
Seveasbenplaut, what is the command you are trying so far?11:56
benplautxfce4-panel11:57
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benplautit's actually on a Zaurus, but it shoudl be the same :P11:57
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Seveasxfce4-panel &11:58
Seveasworks fine here :)11:58
benplautoh11:58
benplautwell11:58
Seveaseven from within gnome :)11:58
benplautthe Z is being weird :(11:58
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flodinehello folks11:59
benplauthowdee11:59
ZibiKebircan anybody help me in setting up a wireless usb network card11:59
flodinecan someone help me running openbox11:59
benplautflodine: sure11:59
cafuegosudo apt-get install openbox; openbox -replace &11:59
flodinehow do i get the debian menu installed?11:59

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