[12:00] <Octane> tommi^: ya im trying though to make 2 packages a regular one and a dev one
[12:00] <Octane> Amaranth: thank you
[12:00] <Amaranth> Octane: if someone is there they can help you with the package so you can try to get it into universe
[12:00] <hybrid_goth> any OSX users here? or anyone know what expose is?
[12:00] <JDahl> Octane, did you read this guide: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide ?
[12:00] <Arnia> Expose is the task switcher in OSX
[12:01] <Arnia> Very cool to use
[12:01] <hybrid_goth> can i do that in ubuntu?
[12:01] <hybrid_goth> yes i love expose
[12:01] <Octane> JDahl: ive beeen reading many docs but i cant find the answer of what in eed to do to create 2 different packages from one source
[12:02] <Arnia> hybrid_goth: not any current implementations
[12:02] <Amaranth> Octane: list them in the control file
[12:02] <Arnia> Skippy tries, but isn't as smooth
[12:02] <hybrid_goth> darn
[12:02] <LeaChim> i'm getting: X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting on trying to use xinit. how can i fix it?
[12:02] <hybrid_goth> ok ty
[12:02] <Octane> Amaranth: but how will dpkg-buildpackage know to divide them b/w -dev and a regular file
[12:02] <Amaranth> Octane: then make <pkgname>.install files in the debian/ dir that have a list of files that should go into that package
[12:03] <Octane> ah i see
[12:03] <Arnia> Although you could try adding some of the luminocity goodness to metacity for them :)
[12:03] <Octane> Amaranth:  is really necessary to have a chroot for this like some guides recommend
[12:03] <zer> Anybody here who has tried Ubuntu with initng yet?
[12:03] <Arnia> Then it should be pretty easy to write
[12:03] <tommi^> LeaChim, at what situation?
[12:03] <Amaranth> Octane: Yeah, a badly made package can crap all over your filesystem and not clean up after itself.
[12:03] <LeaChim> tommi^, using xinit
[12:04] <Octane> Amaranth: i see so we use the chroot to have a clean environemtn
[12:04] <Amaranth> Octane: exactly
[12:04] <Amaranth> Octane: have you ever used glob?
[12:04] <Octane> Amaranth: never heard of it
[12:04] <nopark> has anyone else had a "IRQ 18: nobody cared" error message continually come up?
[12:04] <Andares> nopark, What? Is that really an error?
[12:05] <Amaranth> Octane: ok, well for example in your foo.install file you can have '*.py' on one line and it'll grab all the files with a .py extension
[12:05] <nopark> thats what i was getting during install, never quit
[12:05] <QMario> Does anyone here use KUbuntu?
[12:05] <LeaChim> tommi^, any ideas?
[12:05] <Amaranth> Octane: look for a source package that has .install files for an example
[12:05] <Andares> Not me.
[12:06] <raven3x7> nopark ugh thats just weird
[12:06] <Amaranth> Octane: mostly any package will have them, try apt-get source bittorrent
[12:06] <Octane> Amaranth: what about when you have a package named, foolib but ubuntu needs it to be libfoo
[12:06] <hybrid_goth> QMario: try #kubuntu
[12:06] <Amaranth> Octane: name it libfoo
[12:06] <Octane> Amaranth: thats it no other changes other than those in control?
[12:06] <nopark> yeah, the install totally blew up lol
[12:06] <nopark> well, just didnt work
[12:06] <nopark> ;)
[12:06] <tommi^> LeaChim, noup. Not my area of expertise but just out of curiosity, are you using justa a normal installation?
[12:06] <Amaranth> Octane: i've never successfully made a package like this :D
[12:07] <Amaranth> Octane: that's why i sent you to #ubuntu-motu
[12:07] <LeaChim> tommi^, yep
[12:07] <Octane> Amaranth:  i love the motu name :)
[12:07] <tommi^> I installed mysql-server and then noticed that I foolishly messed with the permission. I uninstalled and remove all mysql-server configuration and databases from /var/lib. Now trying to reinstalling mysql-server ends in this: "invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/mysql not found ; invoke-rc.d returned 100 ; There is a MySQL server running, but we failed in our attempts to stop it." How can I fix this? Thanks
[12:07] <hybrid_goth> lol
[12:08] <nopark> i found a bug on the Debian bug tracker: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=309961
[12:08] <mock> tommi: use _kill -SIGKILL <pid>
[12:08] <nopark> is there a way to get around it =/
[12:08] <Andares> _kill not kill?
[12:09] <mock> just kill ;)
[12:09] <tommi^> LeaChim, so you boot your computer and the error comes instead of gdm?
[12:10] <LeaChim> tommi^, no, i'm trying to run another xserver that i can get to via ctrl + alt + f8
[12:12] <linlin> I get this error when compiling this program. Please help! Checking for X... Configure error: Cant find X includes. Please check your installation and add tthe correct paths.
[12:12] <linlin> I kindof know what a path is, i jsut know what its asking to o
[12:12] <linlin> do*(
[12:12] <raven3x7> nopark dunno is this bug in ubuntus bugzilla? if not maybe you should make a report
[12:13] <Amaranth> linlin: are you on breezy?
[12:13] <linlin> no
[12:13] <linlin> 5.04
[12:14] <Amaranth> linlin: ok, install x-window-system-dev
[12:14] <linlin> sudo apt-get install blah?
[12:14] <nopark> i dont know what im doing though lol i think its the same, but i cant really go and check. i boot up and i get a login, but that damn error message pops up every 3 seconds and doesn't quit. it overwrites everything on the screen =|
[12:14] <spudse> Hi I installed ubuntu next to my winxp install today, Grub nicely asked me which OS i wanted to boat on startup. But I had to reinstall winxp again, which had overwritten my MBR, is there any easy way to get grub back? (i a compelte newby)
[12:15] <nceterval> Hello, I installed a few packages straight from the .deb (not a repository) which required slightly higher versions of its dependencies than the Ubuntu repositories had.  I chose to ignore dependencies, and they installed and operate fine.  However, Synaptic has marked them as broken and demands I remove them before making any other changes.  How can I specify that I want them left alone?
[12:15] <QMario> Will the 'CHAINTECH SLV3-128 Video Card' work with Ubuntu?
[12:15] <linlin> spudse theres a guide on the site somewhere that i followed.
[12:15] <linlin> if you cant find i i suppose i could jsut send you my grub configuration and you can edit that
[12:16] <spudse> linlin, was it easy ? or is a reinstall of ubuntu easier? (i didnt do anything with ubuntu yet since my X config wasnt even right :)
[12:16] <linlin> nah, grub-install im pretty sure all
[12:16] <spudse> okay thanks
[12:16] <linlin> something along the lines of sudo grub-install /dev/hda i think
[12:17] <nopark> the guy in the bug report says he thinks its something to do with  the SATA-module. if it's the same issue, maybe i can just disable/remove the sata module. is there a boot param i can run that'll disable it?
[12:17] <nceterval> QMario: I'm only here for help myself, but might I suggest you test the card out with the Ubuntu or Kubuntu LiveCD?
[12:17] <nopark> i have a SATA drive, but it's not what I'm using to install Ubuntu on
[12:17] <spudse> linlin, i cant boot into linux/ubuntu, so i cant do console things
[12:17] <postmodern> where are the logs to see if apt-get succedded in updating everything?
[12:18] <Amaranth> !windows
[12:18] <ubotu> I guess windows is Everything runs in linux. Choose your emulator: Cedega, Wine, VMware, Qemu, Xen, CrossOver Office, or find an !alternative
[12:18] <linlin> have a live cd handy?
[12:18] <Amaranth> hrm
[12:18] <spudse> I'll have to dl it
[12:18] <cavediver> Hi, do you know if the x problem is over in breezy ?
[12:18] <spudse> I think I go for a reinstall :)
[12:18] <spudse> i takes only an hour
[12:18] <linlin> you can either get a ubuntu live cd, and do what i mentioned, or reinstall
[12:18] <raven3x7> nopark i believe ther is one but i dont know it for sure. -nosata maybe you could also try -noirq
[12:18] <linlin> whatever you consider easier
[12:18] <spudse> yes, thanks :)
[12:19] <sexcopter8000m> is there a good but simple cad package out there?
[12:19] <nopark> actually the error message spits out "try noirq" somewhere in it. i tried it, but didnt work. i'll see if i can dig anything else up, try it, and get back ;)
[12:19] <spudse> do you know how i can boot ubuntu without x ? because x doesnt work so i need to tweak the config
[12:19] <raven3x7> sexcopter8000m, qcad?
[12:20] <raven3x7> spudse, boot into recovery mode
[12:20] <cavediver> spudse: just try ctrl-alt-f1 to bring the console
[12:20] <linlin> ok, i installed the x dev packages. and it gets past that part. now ive got this error: Checking for Qt... Configure: Error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2) ( headers and libs) not found.
[12:20] <postmodern> where are the logs for synatpic/apt-get?
[12:20] <spudse> Is a white screen when X starts a known bug with certain systems, or is it just malfunctioning config ?
[12:20] <raven3x7> linlin, you need qt development libraries probably
[12:21] <spudse> white/blueish it is
[12:21] <sexcopter8000m> raven3x7, it doesn't seem to be quite what i want, anything that can do 3D as well?
[12:22] <linlin> raven3x7 how may i get those?
[12:22] <raven3x7> sexcopter8000m, not that i know of im afraid. i only know blender3d for 3d but its not a cad app
[12:23] <postmodern> is there a quick way i can tell if my ubuntu system is updated?
[12:23] <raven3x7> linlin use synaptic and search for qt. development libraries are marked with -dev
[12:23] <linlin> if theres a red icon upper right then you need to update postmodern
[12:23] <Amaranth> postmodern: synaptic
[12:24] <linlin> next to clock
[12:24] <tikka> Anyone here want to talk to with me about ATI Radeon, ubuntu, lack of direct rendering and overal slowness?
[12:24] <postmodern> linlin, excellent
[12:24] <sexcopter8000m> ok, thanks raven3x7
[12:24] <Amaranth> !info xorg-driver-fglrx
[12:24] <python_> tikka, ATI is the problem not Ubuntu
[12:24] <ubotu> xorg-driver-fglrx: (Video driver for ATI graphics accelerators), section restricted/misc, is optional. Version: 6.8.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu11 (hoary), Packaged size: 3110 kB, Installed size: 9940 kB
[12:25] <Amaranth> *cough*
[12:25] <raven3x7> sexcopter8000m, i think its very unlikely that you;ll find a opensource or free 3d cad app
[12:25] <VelvetElvis> anyone have a suggestion as to how I can package and use libvorbis-1.1.1 and vorbistools-1.1.1 without replacing the existing ogg stuff and screwing ups deps?
[12:25] <python_> i think there are some cad apps
[12:26] <VelvetElvis> there's a massive CAD ap that the US military made OS a few months back
[12:26] <python_> whos after a CAD app?
[12:26] <VelvetElvis> it's what they use for desiging tanks or whatever
[12:27] <linlin> sexcopter8000m
[12:27] <raven3x7> linlin its libqt3-dev if you havent found it
[12:27] <linlin> yup, got it
[12:27] <linlin> thanks :))))
[12:27] <tikka> Amaranth, Thanks for that altho.. aptitude reports I already have that
[12:28] <tikka> 0000:02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4153
[12:28] <tikka> 0000:02:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4173
[12:28] <VelvetElvis> or more specificly, how do I package and install multiple versions of the same library?
[12:28] <tikka> i guess it relates to that also
[12:28] <python_> Theres a great open source app called CYCAS
[12:28] <python_> CYCAS CAD PACKAGE CAN BE FOUND AT:-http://www.cycas.de/
[12:29] <Razor-X> python_: no need to shout
[12:29] <Razor-X> it seems more like you're advertising
[12:30] <python_> sorry
[12:30] <python_> never meant to do that
[12:30] <[Spooky] > is tuxracer included in apt-get ?
[12:30] <Razor-X> [Spooky] : yeahp
[12:30] <linlin> personally, his link is not double clickable...i would never goto it
[12:30] <linlin> so if you ARE advertising...
[12:30] <python_> not advertising, just letting the community know there is software out there
[12:30] <sexcopter8000m> python_, that looks cool! :)
[12:30] <Razor-X> time to get back to reading my zsh guide
[12:31] <linlin> theres a tip :P
[12:31] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X:  i may have found a real cool TTS
[12:31] <Razor-X> linlin: I can't double-click any link on my terminal
[12:31] <[Spooky] > Razor-X: cool
[12:31] <VelvetElvis> http://www.brlcad.org/
[12:31] <linlin> well advertising a CAD app hes obviosuly targeting gui users
[12:31] <VelvetElvis> that's a hardcore CAD ap if you're looking for professional engenering stuff
[12:31] <linlin> who usually use gui irc clients, which can double click :P
[12:31] <Razor-X> or single-click, or in any way translate anywhere from 0-2 keystrokes of my mouse into ``Browser open and display URL''
[12:31] <Razor-X> linlin: ahh, true that ;)
[12:31] <linlin> heheh ;)
[12:31] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X:  use gpm
[12:32] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: isn't gpm included with Ubuntu?
[12:32] <Razor-X> I remember gpm years back on my first Debian distro, the first app I got working right ;)
[12:32] <terrex> i think it's in universe
[12:32] <hybrid_goth> no
[12:32] <Razor-X> dude, that's fscking stupid!
[12:32] <hybrid_goth> yea its in universe
[12:32] <Razor-X> gpm is included in Debian
[12:32] <hybrid_goth> not in default though
[12:32] <Razor-X> gah, they should include it
[12:32] <hybrid_goth> lol
[12:33] <python_> VelvetElvis that app looks good, now you see community it shows you that there is lots of tools out there available for you to use and improve
[12:33] <Razor-X> my dad would probably like that app
[12:33] <cavediver> Is there a specific chan for Breezy ?
[12:33] <hybrid_goth> why?
[12:33] <Razor-X> but, CAD isn't my thing, nor will it ever
[12:33] <Razor-X> (least I think so)
[12:33] <hybrid_goth> cavediver:  err ubuntu-dev?
[12:34] <hybrid_goth> i hate CAD
[12:34] <crimsun> cavediver: no
[12:34] <cavediver> I see.
[12:34] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: where's it located at?
[12:34] <Razor-X> gpm, I mean
[12:34] <python_> Yes but as an Linux operating system we need to have a variety of apps to offer to a wide variety of interests
[12:34] <hybrid_goth>   it is in apt
[12:34] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: I mean, after installation
[12:34] <hybrid_goth> err
[12:35] <cavediver> Anyone know if there are breezy cd snapshots to download. So I wont have to install hoary first.
[12:35] <Razor-X> cavediver: is there a reason you want Breezy that you're willing to forsake trying Ubuntu in general?
[12:35] <hybrid_goth> in /etc/X/xfree86rc i think is where you tell X to use it
[12:35] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: can't you call it on your own?
[12:35] <hybrid_goth> yea but it is kinda buggy that way with a gui
[12:36] <hybrid_goth> or i have been told
[12:36] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: where is the executable located at?
[12:36] <hybrid_goth> not sure
[12:36] <Razor-X> (I can always go to a tty and do it)
[12:36] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: I don't feel like updatedb'ing ;)
[12:36] <hybrid_goth> lol
[12:37] <cavediver> Razor-X: have tried it before and went back to hoary. Want to dual-boot and watch the progress on breezy.
[12:37] <cavediver> Just out of curousity.
[12:37] <hybrid_goth> cavediver: chroot
[12:37] <Razor-X> cavediver: hmm, i'm not sure, I don't think so though
[12:37] <Razor-X> although, you can be the first person to create a sort of CD like that
[12:37] <cavediver> Well, maybe I will.
[12:37] <Razor-X> just a little poll, what's the favorite partition backup tool for you people?
[12:37] <hybrid_goth> lol
[12:38] <hybrid_goth> back up?
[12:38] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: partition backup
[12:38] <Razor-X> I have my preference, but I want to see
[12:38] <krusty2712> retrospect ;)
[12:38] <VelvetElvis> tar + mv?
[12:38] <Razor-X> haha
[12:38] <cavediver> Razor-X: dd
[12:38] <Razor-X> kickass!
[12:38] <hybrid_goth> lol
[12:38] <Razor-X> a dd user
[12:38] <Razor-X> that's the purist's way XD
[12:39] <Razor-X> dd if=/dev/partition of=/backup/foodate
[12:39] <Razor-X> then simply burn /backup/foodate ;)
[12:39] <Razor-X> mmmm, the awesomeness of dd
[12:39] <cavediver> I do all kinds of stuff using dd, it's fun.
[12:40] <cavediver> :)
[12:40] <Razor-X> like formatting stuff
[12:40] <Razor-X> really useful for that
[12:40] <Razor-X> dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/fd0
[12:40] <Razor-X> the end-all blanking tool ;)
[12:40] <cavediver> Yes, and /dev/random is fun for overwriting stuff :)
[12:40] <Razor-X> yeah, heh
[12:40] <Razor-X> well, also, cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp is also pretty fun
[12:40] <Razor-X> hmmmm, I got an idea!
[12:41] <Razor-X> aggghhh, that didn't work -_-
[12:41] <raven3x7> cavediver there was a link to snaoshot at distrowatch
[12:41] <wdh> cavediver, dont forget to do it 35 times :P
[12:41] <Razor-X> wdh: if you want to securely delete something, check out ``dban''
[12:42] <Razor-X> also really good for corrupt harddisks
[12:42] <Razor-X> because, a lot of the times, the partition table is so screwy, that all partitions refuse to install
[12:42] <cavediver> wdh: 35 ! I do it like 1000 times :) Don't want those darn enemies to have my secrets :=)
[12:42] <Razor-X> and no program wants to wipe the partition table, because it's so damned corrupt
[12:43] <Razor-X> mmmm
[12:43] <Razor-X> dban
[12:43] <Razor-X> ;)
[12:43] <Razor-X> raven3x7: I switched to Dvorak to increase my speed
[12:43] <Razor-X> and my accuracy, obviously
[12:43] <crimsun> I switched because of RSI
[12:43] <Razor-X> crimsun: i'm not that old yet
[12:44] <crimsun> it's not age-dependent, really.
[12:44] <Razor-X> well, it's usage-dependant
[12:44] <Razor-X> and age is a huge limiting factor of usage
[12:44] <raven3x7> whats Dvorak?
[12:44] <hybrid_goth> keyboard map
[12:44] <Razor-X> raven3x7: alternate keyboard layout that was scientifically designed to be more effecient
[12:45] <Razor-X> the home row is ``aoeu id htns''
[12:45] <raven3x7> i doubt there is a greek keyboard that uses that
[12:45] <searcher`> raven3x7: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvorak_Simplified_Keyboard
[12:45] <hybrid_goth> yea "better" in the forties
[12:45] <crimsun> it's more comfortable for me, which helps since I need my wrists for drumming
[12:45] <Razor-X> note that vowels are on the left hand, and the right hand has the most used consonant pairs
[12:45] <Razor-X> raven3x7: there probably is one
[12:45] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: and QWERTY was made after the forties?
[12:45] <resiak> Razor-X: I'm getting RSI at 18.
[12:46] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X:  now qwert is older!
[12:46] <Razor-X> resiak: i'm three years younger than you are
[12:46] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: exactly
[12:46] <Razor-X> and, the world's fastest typist (at the moment) is a Dvorak typist
[12:46] <hybrid_goth> i want the quantimus
[12:46] <searcher`> QWERTY was actually designed to slow the typist down so you wouldn't get the lint cought in the typewriter
[12:46] <resiak> Razor-X: You got any faster because of Dvorak? I haven't. But it's comfier.
[12:46] <hybrid_goth> or w/e
[12:46] <CzarAlex> What is the command line to rename a directory? I want to rename /mnt/torrents to /mnt/media
[12:46] <nopark> im back, and it didn't work :( I tried noirq, irqpoll and nosata. the error was still coming up.
[12:46] <Razor-X> resiak: I got faster by 39 WPM
[12:46] <resiak> searcher`: No, it was designed to not have adjacent keys used.
[12:46] <Razor-X> s/39/30/
[12:46] <crimsun> CzarAlex: mv
[12:46] <resiak> Razor-X: Right. I didn't. :)
[12:46] <CzarAlex> crimsun, thank you
[12:46] <Razor-X> searcher`: not all the way correct
[12:47] <searcher`> well, it was one of the reasons :-)
[12:47] <hybrid_goth> CzarAlex: mv /mnt/torrents /mnt/media
[12:47] <Razor-X> QWERTY was the most effecient layout without causing keys to jam, by eliminating key pairs
[12:47] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth, thank you.
[12:47] <hybrid_goth> np
[12:47] <nopark> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/831, see lines 4-39, that's the message that keeps coming up. i passed the debug param so the output is a little more then usual
[12:47] <Razor-X> once the jamming limitation is gone, it's much faster to do something else
[12:47] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: we need a new map
[12:47] <raven3x7> Razor-X, greek uses a different alphabet with more letters
[12:47] <Razor-X> raven3x7: there's Russian Dvorak
[12:47] <Razor-X> Spanish Dvorak
[12:47] <Razor-X> ;)
[12:48] <ryan_> can you do a remote desktop with ubuntu? like someone else remotly connecting to my machine?
[12:48] <Razor-X> http://www.hornetranslations.com/keyboardsenca.shtml
[12:48] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: so where's gpm?
[12:48] <cavediver> ryan_: ssh can do that
[12:48] <Razor-X> ryan_: you can  do that
[12:48] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X:  put it in xorg's rc
[12:48] <Razor-X> cavediver: Remote Desktop, i'm assuming he means GUI access
[12:49] <raven3x7> ill check it out to see if there is
[12:49] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: where's the executable path?
[12:49] <cavediver> Razor-X: yes i misread that.
[12:49] <ryan_> is there a graphical one, where the user see's my desktop as i would cavediver/ Razor-X
[12:49] <hybrid_goth> or do dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver
[12:49] <Razor-X> remember, everything's parsed by zsh
[12:49] <Razor-X> and zsh can't find gpm if I type it in the prompt like that
[12:49] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X:  gpm should call it or it starts up automatically
[12:49] <hybrid_goth> idk
[12:49] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: ``locate gdm''
[12:49] <ryan_> is there a graphical one, where the user see's my desktop as i would cavediver/ Razor-X
[12:50] <raven3x7> ryan_, freenx?
[12:50] <Razor-X> ahh, fuck it, i'll do a updatedb anyways
[12:50] <Razor-X> raven3x7: it's a bitch to install
[12:50] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X:  i aint on ubuntu
[12:50] <ryan_> raven3x7, ill try that
[12:50] <Razor-X> ryan_: VNC is one
[12:50] <Razor-X> (google TightVNC)
[12:50] <Razor-X> XDMCP is faster, albeit much less secure
[12:50] <Razor-X> that changes if you tunnel it through SSH
[12:51] <hybrid_goth> i want this keyboard   http://artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus/
[12:51] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth, uh oh. that torrents directory was where I mounted a second hard drive to. Now, after using the mv command to rename that directory, its (now called media) is associated with my first hard drive. How do I fix this so its associated with the second hd?
[12:51] <shammy> Hi, i just installed ubuntu, i'm a linux newbie. Once it was done installing, i rebooted and the rest of the packages installed, but it couldnt start x server.. what do I need to do?
[12:51] <hybrid_goth> CzarAlex: err try man link
[12:51] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth, thank you.
[12:51] <hybrid_goth> np
[12:52] <cavediver> Razor-X: look what I found: http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/dvd/current/
[12:53] <raven3x7> Razor-X, i never used it.i just know about
[12:53] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth, okay so I want to use link /mnt/media <file2> ..in this case, what is file 2?
[12:54] <hybrid_goth> where it goes on the 2nd hdd
[12:54] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth, the second HD was called /mnt/torrents but that appears to be gone.
[12:54] <Luna-Tick> Good morning all (or afternoon)
[12:55] <hybrid_goth> CzarAlex:  ok you will need to tell /etc/fstab to have the 2nd hdd mnt at /mnt/media
[12:55] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth, is there a help file on that? or what is the command to do that.
[12:56] <hybrid_goth> CzarAlex:  sudo gedit /etc/fstab and you will see hdb1 /mnt/torrents/ change torrents to media
[12:56] <nopark> do the items in the pastebin stay for ever? can i link to it on the forum as well? (i dont know if they get cleaned off every 24 hours or something)
[12:56] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth, thanks.
[12:56] <hybrid_goth> np
[12:56] <Razor-X> thanks a lot hybrid_goth!
[12:56] <Razor-X> updatedb is still going!
[12:56] <Razor-X> :(
[12:57] <Razor-X> just fon one measely little app
[12:57] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X:  what
[12:57] <hybrid_goth> ?
[12:57] <Razor-X> it's taking ages
[12:57] <hybrid_goth> lol
[12:57] <Razor-X> it's been 6 minutes
[12:57] <hybrid_goth> now you know how my torrent is going
[12:58] <Razor-X> oh yeah, and for those of you who are picky about time like me, the ntp servers are off the official US Observatory time by 2 seconds
[12:58] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X:  time sucks
[12:58] <hybrid_goth> abstact
[12:59] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth, thank second hd would be called hdb1? i dont see that listed in fstab
[12:59] <Razor-X> well, the only time standard nowadays is those thingies
[12:59] <Luna-Tick> Does anyone know how to get the irc-helper plugin for Gaim going in Ubuntu - there doesn't seem to be an Ubuntu package?
[12:59] <hybrid_goth> CzarAlex:  what about hda2?
[12:59] <phixion> bah wine is a useless pos. can't get partypoker working :/ someone get it working for me! :D
[12:59] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth, nope.
[01:00] <hybrid_goth> phixion:  do you need java for party poker?
[01:00] <phixion> im not sure
[01:00] <hybrid_goth> CzarAlex:  do you see hd anything?
[01:00] <hybrid_goth> phixion:  i doubt wine will help there
[01:00] <phixion> hybrid_goth, partypoker.com :)
[01:00] <hybrid_goth> you'll need a) flash or b) java
[01:00] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth, ive got hda1 and hda5. Also hdc which is mounted to /media/cdrom0 and hdd which is mounted to /media/cdrom1 (is that the same media is just made?)
[01:01] <hybrid_goth> where does hda5 mount?
[01:01] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth,  the drive was empty so I wont lose anything If I have to reformat and remount and all that. hda5 mounts to none and is type - swap
[01:01] <hybrid_goth> ah
[01:02] <hybrid_goth> how many cdrom drives do you have?
[01:02] <drummer87> hi all, when using samba, can i write to an NTFS drive on an XP box through samba?
[01:02] <tikka> drummer87, provided u have write permission on the windows box. yes
[01:02] <bcc|graf> drummer87, sure
[01:02] <SmasSive> hi
[01:02] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth, 2
[01:03] <drummer87> I know writing to NTFS is not normally safe, but don't know if/how samba is different
[01:03] <hybrid_goth> ok the /media/cdrom are for you cdroms
[01:03] <tikka> ur using the windows machine to do that work
[01:03] <drummer87> so it won't do anything wierd?
[01:03] <ChrisC_> wow, there's a lot of people on this channel :)
[01:03] <tikka> linux plays no part in that side of it..
[01:03] <hybrid_goth> hda1 is you main harddrive
[01:03] <drummer87> ok, thanks
[01:03] <hybrid_goth> hda5 is swap needed by linux
[01:03] <bcc|graf> drummer87, samba will not write but the winxp box does
[01:03] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth, okay. How do I get that second hd to be associated with /mnt/media (or any other suitable name)
[01:03] <codecaine> anyone using cisco vpn client
[01:04] <hybrid_goth> CzarAlex:  is it partitioned?
[01:04] <ChrisC_> Does vncviewer appear on the Gnome menu somewhere (e.g. as "remote desktop") or must I launch via command line until I figure out how to add it myself?
[01:04] <Luna-Tick> Anyone know the status of the silc plugin for gaim?
[01:04] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth, it was, yes. Should still be unless what just happened with mv negated that.
[01:04] <socomm> Luna-Tick: /join #gaim
[01:05] <Luna-Tick> I was meaning for Ubuntu
[01:05] <hybrid_goth> phixion:  whatch ubotu
[01:05] <hybrid_goth> !java
[01:05] <ubotu> java is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[01:05] <Luna-Tick> There doesn't seem to be a package for it
[01:06] <hybrid_goth> CzarAlex:  umm i would try to add this in there /dev/hdb1/ /mnt/media default 0 0
[01:06] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth, hda2 shows up in gparted
[01:06] <codecaine> anybody in here using cisco vpn client?
[01:06] <hybrid_goth> CzarAlex:  then add it in fstab
[01:06] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth, as mentioned above?
[01:07] <hybrid_goth> like i said above
[01:07] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth,  okay.
[01:07] <hybrid_goth> yup
[01:07] <Chaotic_Shield> Hi, I'm using a Dell laptop. How can I configure my wireless card to work with Ubuntu:
[01:07] <hybrid_goth> Chaotic_Shield:  iwconfig is usefull
[01:07] <Luna-Tick> Chaotic - it should just work... is it an ipw2200?
[01:07] <Chaotic_Shield> dunno Luna-Tick
[01:07] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth, what type? (i assume default was for the options argument)
[01:08] <hybrid_goth> what do you mean what type?
[01:08] <Chaotic_Shield> hybrid_goth, all that comes up is no wireless extensions.
[01:08] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth, gparted calls it extended. the fields for me to fill in are: <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[01:08] <hybrid_goth> make it look like /dev/hda1 except for the mnt point and /dev/hda2
[01:09] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth, okay.
[01:09] <hybrid_goth> ext3 fs
[01:09] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth, onces saved, do i need to do anything else?
[01:09] <ChrisC_> Does vncviewer appear on the Gnome menu somewhere (e.g. as "remote desktop") or must I launch via command line until I figure out how to add it myself?
[01:09] <ChrisC_> side note:  it would be nice if ubuntuguide mentioned the GUI paths to apps, not just CLI
[01:09] <hybrid_goth> CzarAlex:  shouldnt except maybe mount -a or mount /dev/hda2
[01:10] <hybrid_goth> Chaotic_Shield:  man iwconfig
[01:10] <harkeyahh> :-p
[01:11] <that> hey guys i need some help regarding codecs
[01:12] <socomm> !ask
[01:12] <ubotu> No idea, socomm
[01:12] <brammator> question about vpn pptp: starting it from HH 5.04 (pptpclient GUI), server displays "PPTP connection established from 172.16.x.x", packet/byte counters runs like mad, and no interface is configured at all.
[01:12] <socomm> !question
[01:12] <ubotu> No idea, socomm
[01:12] <hybrid_goth> that: ask
[01:12] <brammator> what's wrong?
[01:12] <socomm> !smart question
[01:12] <ubotu> socomm: No idea
[01:12] <hybrid_goth> lol
[01:12] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth, it worked. thank you very much.
[01:12] <that> i cant seem to get any play back on my media play when i launch and then play a song it freezes
[01:12] <hybrid_goth> CzarAlex: good! np
[01:13] <hybrid_goth> mp3?
[01:13] <socomm> that: Have you installed all the proper codecs?
[01:13] <hybrid_goth> that: taken a look at /Restricted?
[01:13] <socomm> !restricted
[01:13] <ubotu> it has been said that restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:13] <hybrid_goth> !restricted
[01:13] <harkeyahh> Is ubuntu easier to install/use than sourcemage?
[01:13] <CzarAlex> hybrid_goth, now im going to try to link /var/www/scon to /mnt/media/test  .. :\
[01:13] <hybrid_goth> CzarAlex:  heh
[01:13] <socomm> harkeyahh: Some would say that.
[01:14] <that> its mp3
[01:14] <harkeyahh> Well, I'm I some training wheels linux socomm I think ubuntu would do the trick
[01:14] <harkeyahh> I need some*
[01:14] <hybrid_goth> harkeyahh: isnt no OSX install thats for sure but also isnt a slack install
[01:14] <hybrid_goth> that: watch ubotu
[01:14] <hybrid_goth> !restricted
[01:14] <ubotu> restricted is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:15] <harkeyahh> I had a successful install of sourcemage, but I can't get anything else to work quite so well
[01:15] <Chaotic_Shield> hybrid_goth, I'm really confused by what to do with iwconfig. I'm a Linux newb.
[01:15] <hybrid_goth> =/
[01:15] <harkeyahh> ubuntu comes with gnome already installed?
[01:15] <socomm> harkeyahh: Try ubuntu out and see which fits your needs better.
[01:15] <Chaotic_Shield> yes harkeyahh
[01:15] <CzarAlex> harkeyahh, yes
[01:15] <hybrid_goth> yup
[01:15] <hybrid_goth> or kubuntu has kde
[01:16] <harkeyahh> okay socomm I have a live disc I'll try it I like kde I might go with kubuntu
[01:16] <socomm> harkeyahh: Great, good luck and hope you enjoy using GNU/Linux.
[01:16] <harkeyahh> thnx much
[01:17] <spity|s> hi guys
[01:18] <Chaotic_Shield> I'm confused.
[01:18] <CzarAlex> Okay. If i understand this correctally, Im trying to have /var/www/scon point to /mnt/media/test . I used the command and example found at http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mapURLstofoldersoutsidewww to edit the proper file. I did so, saved it and quit, but it appears as if the link isnt happening, does anyone have either any suggestions, or perhaps a sample file with variables already filled in for me to look at incase im just doing it w
[01:18] <CzarAlex> rong?
[01:19] <Chaotic_Shield> what exactly do I do with iwconfig? It just says that all of the 3 network interfaces I have don't have wireless extensions.
[01:19] <hybrid_goth> man iwconfig
[01:19] <Chaotic_Shield> I did.
[01:19] <Chaotic_Shield> It confused me further.
[01:19] <hybrid_goth> okay
[01:20] <hybrid_goth> you using ubuntu or kubuntu?
[01:20] <Chaotic_Shield> ubuntu
[01:20] <Luna-Tick> Can anyone here tell me about how the packaging in Ubuntu is done - is it a sponsor arrangement like Debian
[01:20] <hybrid_goth> and the card works but doesnt see you wlan or doesnt work?
[01:20] <Chaotic_Shield> The Device manager sees it, but nothing else does.
[01:20] <hybrid_goth> Luna-Tick:  i would ask a MOTU
[01:21] <hybrid_goth> Chaotic_Shield:  ok i would suggest using err maybe kisnet to see if that helps
[01:21] <Chaotic_Shield> ?
[01:22] <Chaotic_Shield> I'm confused even more. :-P
[01:22] <hybrid_goth> nvm
[01:22] <CzarAlex> the first line of the alias needs to be Alias /URL-path /location_of_folder/ .. what all do i edit in that line? Obviously the location_of_folder/  ..what about the URL-path? and which is which? which becomes /var/www/scon and which becaomes /mnt/media/test
[01:23] <Chaotic_Shield> CzarAlex, are you trying to configure Apache?
[01:23] <CzarAlex> Chaotic_Shield, yeah. its up and running, I just want to use a dir outside of /var/www and im having problems getting it to work.
[01:24] <Chaotic_Shield> oh.
[01:24] <Chaotic_Shield> that's easy.
[01:24] <CzarAlex> Chaotic_Shield, do tell :)
[01:24] <Chaotic_Shield> Alias /scon /mnt/media/test
[01:24] <Chaotic_Shield> :)
[01:24] <andy_> i have the same prob ;)
[01:24] <Chaotic_Shield> I configed Apache back when Windows had a monopoly on my HDD.
[01:24] <CzarAlex> Chaotic_Shield, save the file ..then what?
[01:24] <Chaotic_Shield> rehash.
[01:24] <andy_> in what file that has to come?
[01:24] <CzarAlex> Chaotic_Shield, define rehash
[01:24] <Chaotic_Shield> restart.
[01:25] <CzarAlex> Chaotic_Shield, ok
[01:25] <CzarAlex> Chaotic_Shield, / at the end of test?
[01:25] <Chaotic_Shield> no.
[01:25] <andy_> is that alias line to be in httpd.conf??
[01:25] <Chaotic_Shield> yes.
[01:25] <andy_> thx
[01:25] <CzarAlex> Chaotic_Shield, what about <Directory /mnt/media/test/> ? / or no /
[01:26] <Chaotic_Shield> look in Apache online docs.
[01:26] <Chaotic_Shield> away, dinner.
[01:28] <Cin>  i pressed/click some shortcut and have lost my start bar on ubuntu
[01:28] <Cin> lol
[01:28] <Cin> :(
[01:31] <iceman2k> anyone running duel boot windows xp 64 and ubuntu 64
[01:33] <Luna-Tick> Farewell all :)
[01:33] <xie> I'm having problems with a clean install of Hoary. ;\
[01:35] <FlyingSquirrell3> how can I tell what speed processor I have and What VCard I have?
[01:36] <majic> something like: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[01:36] <majic> I think that's it
[01:36] <majic> video card can be found out with lspci prolly
[01:36] <xie> When I'm trying to partition the drive, it hangs at 6% or 8%
[01:37] <xie> Every time, I've tried 3x now
[01:37] <Linoleum> coucou y a KK1 ?
[01:38] <desrt> cocteau t w ins?
[01:38] <desrt> oh yes.  i think so.
[01:39] <bonvenon> Linoleum, desrt: vad r det dr fr sprk? = what language is that? ;)
[01:39] <xie> No ideas? -\
[01:39] <desrt> cocteau twins are a band from scotland... so i'd guess english
[01:40] <bonvenon> oh
[01:40] <jip> xie, check your disk for errors
[01:40] <FlyingSquirrell3> majic: cool, it worked thanks.
[01:40] <xie> jip, I had a copy of the old Ubuntu on the disk
[01:40] <xie> It didnt support my video card, so I am installing this one
[01:41] <majic> FlyingSquirrel32, sweet!
[01:41] <FlyingSquirrell3> majic: when I go to System > Preferences > Screen Resolution I only get 640x480
[01:41] <FlyingSquirrell3> how do I change that?
[01:41] <jip> your disk might still be fscked up :P
[01:41] <xie> true, but I'd rather pretend it's not because I don't have another one :D
[01:41] <FlyingSquirrell3> majic: it's not nvidia
[01:42] <majic> FlyingSquirrel32, I'm new to Ubuntu. If I was on another distro I'd probably use xorgconfig
[01:42] <majic> or whatever the name of it is
[01:42] <pweyers> hi, squirrel, i have the same problem
[01:42] <pweyers> i can only get 800x600
[01:43] <majic> infact I'm so new that it hasn't even finished loading yet... just blew away my gentoo
[01:43] <pweyers> configuring the xorg.conf doesnt help, neither does the 855resolution patch
[01:43] <FlyingSquirrell3> pweyers: I did this a while ago and we have to modify a file. Do you have nvidia?
[01:43] <bonvenon> FlyingSquirrell3: you probably just need to edit your xorg.conf
[01:44] <pweyers> no, i have an intel 855 GM/GME sort of thing
[01:44] <bonvenon> ...you can find it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:44] <FlyingSquirrell3> bonvenon: yah, that's it, what section?
[01:44] <AdmiralSenn> well hello everyone
[01:44] <AdmiralSenn> ...again
[01:44] <pweyers> i have tried all possible setups of the xorg.conf :)
[01:44] <LinuxJones> FlyingSquirrell3, >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:44] <AdmiralSenn> got a question here
[01:45] <bonvenon> FlyingSquirrell3: it's the screen section
[01:45] <AdmiralSenn> is there a way to change the icon that displays in the corner of an application's window?
[01:46] <Kyozabe> ok
[01:46] <Kyozabe> What's that command again...?
[01:46] <LinuxJones> AdmiralSenn, System >> Preferences >> Themes>> Theme Details >> Icons
[01:46] <Kyozabe> I mean
[01:46] <Kyozabe> For the Error 22 thing in grub
[01:47] <AdmiralSenn> thanks
[01:48] <FlyingSquirrell3> pweyers: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:48] <pweyers> thx, i am reading thru this now
[01:48] <AdmiralSenn> LinuxJones: err that doesn't have anything for any of my apps
[01:49] <AdmiralSenn> so I just put icons in the .icons folder?
[01:49] <AdmiralSenn> or what?
[01:49] <bonvenon> AdmiralSenn: whay apps are we talking about?
[01:49] <Kyozabe> Dang, doesn't anyone here have a log from a few hours ago? >.<
[01:49] <AdmiralSenn> Blender and Firefox
[01:49] <LinuxJones> AdmiralSenn, sorry I misunderstood the question :(
[01:49] <AdmiralSenn> LinuxJones: 's ok
[01:49] <Myrtti> I'm at Assembly and would like to watch a Commodore64 demo with my Ubuntu laptop. I've installed VICE but the program says it needs kernal rom to operate. I've used the google but am lost about what to do. Help?
[01:50] <AdmiralSenn> for example, Blender's icon in the corner of its window is the blank window icon
[01:50] <AdmiralSenn> and I want to change firefox's to the orange one
[01:51] <Myrtti> google "ubuntu firefox icon take back"
[01:51] <bonvenon> AdmiralSenn: http://ubuntuguide.org/#restoreoriginaliconsfirefox
[01:52] <deprave> is it possible to get avi codec running on ubuntu?
[01:52] <shammy> i just installed ubuntu, and i cant get xorg configured. I ran xorgcfg -textmode and entered everything corresponding with my hardware.. but still xserver wont worl. What do I need to do?
[01:53] <bonvenon> shammy: got any error messages you would like to share?
[01:53] <Hoxzer> is there any other torrent client that can choose what to download from the torrent than azureus?
[01:53] <D1> are there any 3d shooter games in synaptic?
[01:53] <Hoxzer> couse Azureus is realy heavy
[01:53] <toad3030> i'm having problems with my resolution, i have addes 1280x1024 in the config, but it still won't show up in my settings......anybody have an idea to help me out?
[01:54] <ColonelKernel> azureus rules!!! it isnt heavy
[01:54] <D1> is azureus only for torrents?
[01:54] <Hoxzer> :D eh...
[01:54] <Hoxzer> Azureus is..
[01:54] <Hoxzer> all my downloads slow down couse it is so heavy
[01:54] <deprave> where do you swank pimps go for your torrens these days since suprnova is down
[01:54] <deprave> ?
[01:54] <LasseL> I run azureus via X forwarding on my fileserver -- that way the file servers takes the memory hit :)
[01:54] <shammy> bonvenon: all i get on start up is a message stating x server cannot be started it is likely it is not set up properly
[01:54] <Hoxzer> even if I diffrend client running
[01:55] <Hoxzer> the download speed keep jumping up and donw
[01:55] <D1> I thought azureus used to have a lot of protocols besides torrent
[01:55] <D1> what happened to that?
[01:55] <deprave> where do you swank pimps go for your torrents these days since suprnova is down
[01:55] <ColonelKernel> youre thinking shareaza maybe
[01:55] <bonvenon> shammy: it use to output some messages too.
[01:55] <D1> I thought it used to support gift, fasttrack, etc.
[01:56] <Hoxzer> Deprave: torrentbytes, finbytes, datamoon, filelist, pornbits, xxx-tracker, empornium, puretna
[01:56] <Hoxzer> existi
[01:56] <shammy> bonvenon: do you mean the detailed error message it asks you if you want to view? I'll need to go boot it to get that, i can't remember it offhand
[01:56] <Hoxzer> torretbytes has seeder/leecher ratio over 800% ;)
[01:57] <Kyozabe> ok, uh
[01:57] <hybrid_goth> Hoxzer:  where is this?
[01:57] <Kyozabe> is the command in windows XP to fix the booting problem I got with grub after deleting the linux partition
[01:57] <bonvenon> shammy: try sudo less /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE
[01:57] <Hoxzer> www.torrentbytes.net
[01:57] <Kyozabe> fmbr?
[01:57] <Kyozabe> or something like that?
[01:57] <AdmiralSenn> bonvenon: okay, firefox works
[01:57] <Hoxzer> you have to wait alot before they open signup
[01:58] <shammy> ok bonvenon, thanks i'll go try that
[01:58] <AdmiralSenn> now to figure out how blender does it
[01:58] <Hoxzer> and if you get account you have to keep your share ratio over 1 to be sure that you dont get banned
[01:58] <deprave> is it possible to get avi codec running on ubuntu?
[01:59] <bonvenon> AdmiralSenn: ok. I don't know about blender. I haven't got that problem with my blender installation
[01:59] <AdmiralSenn> hm
[01:59] <AdmiralSenn> I was hoping there was some kind of dialog to do it
[01:59] <bonvenon> shammy: if you want to see the whole log file simply use  sudo less /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[02:01] <paulproteus> deprave: RestrictedFormats
[02:01] <paulproteus> !restrictedformats
[02:01] <ubotu> restrictedformats is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[02:02] <norhted> when i want to move something in /usr/local/ can i do it from GUI?
[02:02] <AdmiralSenn> well this is rather frustrating
[02:02] <GRUMBLE> GR....   I am wicked frustrated
[02:03] <bonvenon> AdmiralSenn: take it easy. after all it's just an icon ;)
[02:03] <AdmiralSenn> bonvenon: but.. but...
[02:03] <AdmiralSenn> HULK SMASH
[02:03] <GRUMBLE> hehe
[02:03] <GRUMBLE> so I installed the stuff after the livecd worked perfectly.
[02:03] <GRUMBLE> and it halts after gnome loads
[02:03] <GRUMBLE> full on halts
[02:03] <shammy> bonvenon: it came back with EE no device detected
[02:04] <GRUMBLE> I've got a p4 1g mem.
[02:04] <GRUMBLE> can someone help
[02:05] <bonvenon> shammy: can you see what device it's trying to use?
[02:05] <AdmiralSenn> GRUMBLE: does it do it consistently?
[02:05] <GRUMBLE> every time
[02:05] <GRUMBLE> I've reinstalled
[02:05] <GRUMBLE> 3 times
[02:05] <AdmiralSenn> dang
[02:05] <segphault> I have a dvd burning issue. My dvd burner has 8x write speed, and k3b recognizes it as such, but for some reason it won't burn faster than about 2x
[02:05] <GRUMBLE> I dont even know the error log anymore
[02:05] <GRUMBLE> and I think I dont like gnome
[02:05] <GRUMBLE> but its better than KDE
[02:06] <shammy> bonvenon: you mean the card? when i do xorgcfg -textmode it recognizes the correct video card
[02:06] <GRUMBLE> AdmiralSenn: I have inconsistant OK starts when I've gone in through failsafe console
[02:06] <GRUMBLE> but I really dont know what to do at that point
[02:06] <GRUMBLE> I dont know what to reconfigure
[02:06] <segphault> it's taking 40 minutes to burn a DVD in Ubuntu, and it only takes about 8 in debian. What could cause that problem?
[02:07] <GRUMBLE> segphault: have you tried setting params?
[02:07] <Adross> how do i unjerkify dvd playback?
[02:07] <bonvenon> shammy: I guess the device might be any required device... mouse, keyboard and so on. not just the card
[02:08] <GRUMBLE> Adross: stop touching yourself
[02:08] <GRUMBLE> ?
[02:08] <jk_> Hey, im running ubuntu on my laptop, and I was wondering if it is possible to change the default event when I "close" the screen?
[02:08] <GRUMBLE> jk_: yes
[02:08] <Adross> GRUMBLE: aha, ahaha, ahahaha, do you write? Really, you should, No one would of thought that one up
[02:08] <shammy> bonvenon: i'm using a wireless mouse and keyboard, the keyboard obviously isn't having any problems.. but shold i try using a wired mouse and keyboad anyway?
[02:08] <segphault> GRUMBLE, params?
[02:08] <GRUMBLE> Adross: I only write when I need to
[02:08] <raven3x7> !tell Adross about dma
[02:09] <jk_> can you tell me how?
[02:09] <GRUMBLE> jk: no, I cant
[02:09] <GRUMBLE> i dont know
[02:09] <Adross> wow
[02:09] <Adross> that was informative
[02:09] <GRUMBLE> I seriously need to get this crap working.
[02:09] <Adross> i mean, seriously
[02:09] <Adross> that was cool
[02:09] <Adross> can i take him home?
[02:09] <jk_> have any idea where i can find out :/
[02:10] <Adross> well, thanks guys, cya later
[02:10] <GRUMBLE> jk_: what kind of laptop?  what brand, model,
[02:10] <GRUMBLE> and what are you trying to change it to/from
[02:10] <bonvenon> shammy: cant you run sudo less /var/log/Xorg.0.log and search for the error line. then you might find some previous lines that gives you a better idea of what the problem is
[02:10] <ubuntu> hellooooo girls
[02:10] <GRUMBLE> heya there assyneck!
[02:11] <segphault> jk_: you might want to look here - http://www.linux-laptop.net/
[02:11] <jk_> acer travelmate 290
[02:11] <GRUMBLE> segphault: yeah! thats the one!
[02:11] <AdmiralSenn> is there a terminal command to make something use a certain icon?
[02:11] <shammy> bonvenon: how do I search for the error line?
[02:11] <stevenj> can someone please help-Rhythmbox is completly locked up and I completly uninstall it and install it back and its still locked up....is there some config file I can manually delete thank!
[02:11] <raven3x7> is there a tool in ubuntu to create .deb packages from source code?
[02:11] <bonvenon> shammy: just scroll down until you find it
[02:11] <GRUMBLE> stevenj: have you tried to dl the source and build it?
[02:11] <segphault> raven3x7: it's called 'checkinstall'
[02:11] <shammy> ok
[02:12] <segphault> raven3x7: http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/
[02:12] <stevenj> GRUMBLE, I have never compiled anything
[02:12] <ubuntu> holaaaaaaaaaaaa
[02:12] <GRUMBLE> I think the command is apt-get source 'pkgname' -b
[02:12] <bonvenon> shammy: all error messages are supposed to start with (EE). that's why we used grep EE earlier
[02:12] <GRUMBLE> not sure...
[02:12] <segphault> raven3x7: it supports a bunch of distributions, if you give it the -D flag it will build debs. It's an incredibly cool tool
[02:12] <GRUMBLE> somthing like that
[02:13] <raven3x7> stevenj, just dont use rythembox...
[02:13] <GRUMBLE> stevenj: make sure you build deps too... the problem might be there
[02:13] <GRUMBLE> yeah... I like XMMS
[02:13] <GRUMBLE> cept shoutcast support is kinda ill...
[02:13] <segphault> I've had a ton of problems with rhythmbox on ubuntu
[02:14] <Slipaway172> ditto
[02:14] <segphault> I like rhythmbox better than any of the others tho
[02:14] <stevenj> raven3x7, any alternative?
[02:14] <jk_> seghault,thanks for the link
[02:14] <GRUMBLE> segphault: good reason for stevenj not to use it then, whouldnt you say?
[02:14] <Slipaway172> ive had good results with xmms
[02:14] <segphault> I'm thinking about switching to gentoo
[02:14] <GRUMBLE> So... has anyone else had any problems installing to disk but not from liveCD?
[02:14] <raven3x7> im using amarok but you may not want to get all the kde libs it needs to run
[02:14] <segphault> ubuntu just isn't as stable as it used to be
[02:14] <stevenj> I would really like to organize my 20GB of music
[02:15] <hybrid_goth> segphault:  ?
[02:15] <GRUMBLE> segphault: you like the idea of a 8 day install process?
[02:15] <segphault> if it gets me the latest and greatest software with fewer bugs, sure
[02:15] <GRUMBLE> segphault: It may do that, but it may also cause you to go crazy cause X wont run
[02:15] <GRUMBLE> and you have to keep recompiliing
[02:15] <raven3x7> stevenj, amarok is WAY better at organizing a music collection
[02:16] <thespiritoftal> hi this is rather off topic but anyone knows about scientific linux here?
[02:16] <GRUMBLE> raven3x7: I find that my fingers are best at organizing a music collection
[02:16] <AdmiralSenn> so nobody knows how to make an app's window use a specific icon?
[02:16] <raven3x7> segphault, isnt there a default tool to build deb packages?
[02:16] <GRUMBLE> AdmiralSenn: what an obscure idea,.
[02:16] <GRUMBLE> ask in a dev forum or chan
[02:16] <AdmiralSenn> #?
[02:16] <shammy> bonvenon: fatal server error: no screens found
[02:16] <raven3x7> GRUMBLE, lmao
[02:17] <segphault> raven3x7: I use checkinstall because it automates the package construction.
[02:17] <AdmiralSenn> GRUMBLE: which channel?
[02:17] <GRUMBLE> raven3x7: I think there is...
[02:17] <GRUMBLE> AdmiralSenn: gentoo???  they'd prolly know
[02:17] <segphault> raven3x7: there is a default tool for deb package construction, but it requires more effort than I'm willing to expend
[02:17] <stevenj> raven3x7, kde :(
[02:17] <bonvenon> shammy: then it is the monitor/card that is the problem
[02:17] <GRUMBLE> they're 1337 hAx0Rz
[02:17] <hybrid_goth> lol
[02:17] <macewan> :) creative webcam live works well with ubuntu
[02:17] <macewan> saweeet
[02:18] <hybrid_goth> lol
[02:18] <GRUMBLE> macewan: wanna help me get mine working?
[02:18] <shammy> bonvenon: it recognizes the card as the right one.. so its the monitor?
[02:18] <raven3x7> stevenj, it runs fine in gnome but apt will fetch a lot of kde stuff
[02:18] <macewan> step one: plug it it
[02:18] <GRUMBLE> cause ubuntu dosnt work well with me
[02:18] <macewan> step two: profit!
[02:18] <hybrid_goth> lol
[02:18] <macewan> no underwear involved
[02:18] <GRUMBLE> Phaze one:  Collect underpants Phaze 2:   Phaze 3: Profit!
[02:18] <macewan> :] 
[02:18] <AdmiralSenn> :D
[02:19] <bonvenon> shammy: ok. (but even if it recognizes the card correctly I guess it might have problem using it...)
[02:19] <stevenj> raven3x7, thanks
[02:19] <GRUMBLE> REALLYYYYY NEEEDING HELP HERE
[02:19] <Octane> anyone here know about packaging deb files
[02:19] <segphault> GRUMBLE: what do you need help with?
[02:19] <GRUMBLE> is there a way to install ubuntu FROM within the livecd environment?
[02:19] <shammy> bonvenon: so what do i need to do? keep running xorgcfg -textmode and configuring the monitor and card until it works?
[02:20] <AdmiralSenn> GRUMBLE: no
[02:20] <Octane> i am stuck after running dh_make -- i dont know how to create the <package>.install files in /debian
[02:20] <GRUMBLE> segphault: the shizzy no wizzy on my Pee Sizzle
[02:20] <Slipaway172> GRUMBLE, u need the install
[02:20] <LasseL> Can you tell me how to get rid of the deamons: /usr/lib/evolution/evolution-data-server-1.2 and /usr/lib/evolution/2.2/evolution-exchange-storage ?
[02:20] <GRUMBLE> i've got the install
[02:20] <segphault> GRUMBLE: slap it. that usually works for me
[02:20] <GRUMBLE> I've installed it
[02:21] <dimitris> Is there a way to change the icon theme used by root?
[02:21] <Slipaway172> lol
[02:21] <GRUMBLE> it says "you're an ass!" then gives me a poo brown screen and an immotile cursor
[02:21] <Slipaway172> dimitris, WHY
[02:21] <Slipaway172> gnome is not for root use
[02:21] <GRUMBLE> like it's trying to sodamize me with it's not working
[02:21] <hybrid_goth> GRUMBLE:  o_0
[02:21] <macewan> http://www.macewan.org/images/ubuntucreativelive!.png
[02:21] <macewan> hehe
[02:21] <Slipaway172> dimitris,  are you just talking about changing icon set for a regular user
[02:21] <LasseL> Is there anybody besides me that has the two evolutions processes running? They use a fair bit of memory it seems - and for what?
[02:21] <bonvenon> shammy: no. doing the same thing over and over again wont solve the problem... what kind of monitor do you use?
[02:21] <dimitris> No the root account
[02:22] <Slipaway172> why
[02:22] <GRUMBLE> hybrid_goth:  Basizzy, the livecd works perfect.  the INSTALL cd boots and installs but the environment once on disk is not workable.
[02:22] <GRUMBLE> it halts after gnome has loaded completely
[02:22] <Slipaway172> it is highly un reccomened to use root under gdm
[02:22] <dimitris> I use nautilus with root user sometimes and it doesn't show any icons
[02:22] <segphault> LasseL: they start when you start evo. The evolution data server manages address book, calendar and task list. The exchange thing is for compatability with microsoft exchange server
[02:22] <[Spooky] > what was it to install a deb package ?
[02:22] <[Spooky] > dkpg -????
[02:22] <segphault> dpkg -i
[02:23] <[Spooky] > ah thanks
[02:23] <hybrid_goth> did you burn the cds?
[02:23] <shammy> bonvenon: it's an NEC crt monitor.. MultiSync75
[02:23] <Slipaway172> dimitris, www.gnome.org has icon sets
[02:23] <Thewrdnrd> Is it possible to convert a Debian system to Ubuntu? How messy is the final result?
[02:23] <GRUMBLE> the only thing I could think of was loading the live cd and mounting hd and coppying over all the confs and kernel
[02:23] <LasseL> segphault, but why don't the close when I quit the program then? I don't even use evolution, but might have launched it by accident
[02:23] <GRUMBLE> Thewrdnrd: REALLLLLLLYY messy
[02:23] <GRUMBLE> and viceversa
[02:23] <xie> Grr it's still not partitioning my drive during an install
[02:23] <Thewrdnrd> I'm talking about a freshly-installed system here, so there wouldn't be lots of extra cruft about beyond the base install.
[02:23] <dimitris> I have icon sets but how do i install them so they show up in nautilus when its used under sudo nautilus?
[02:23] <xie> just sits at 6% done
[02:23] <bonvenon> shammy: ok. try to edit your xorg configuration by hand: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:24] <GRUMBLE> xie: have you tried partitioning from the live
[02:24] <segphault> LasseL: the exchange one probably shouldn't stick around, but the data server one remains running because other applications interact with it
[02:24] <GRUMBLE> ?
[02:24] <segphault> LasseL: use the kill command from the command line to get rid of them
[02:24] <xie> GRUMBLE, I can't boot into anything
[02:24] <zimba> In what package is `mkfontdir` ?
[02:24] <GRUMBLE> xie: have you tried booting from the live CD?
[02:24] <xie> I don't have the live CD.
[02:24] <bonvenon> shammy: I've uploaded my xorg.conf on http://webbform.net/files/xorg.conf if you want to compare
[02:24] <zimba> ^^ I messed my insall :-/
[02:24] <GRUMBLE> cause you're booted on somthing now
[02:24] <Slipaway172> dimitris, go to system - prefrences - theme
[02:24] <xie> No
[02:24] <xie> This is another computer
[02:24] <GRUMBLE> oi
[02:24] <GRUMBLE> ok
[02:25] <shammy> ok thank you
[02:25] <GRUMBLE> hmm
[02:25] <shammy> i'll go look at it bonvenon
[02:25] <godzirra> Does anyone know of an HTML formatter?
[02:25] <xie> I'm installing onto an older box, it hangs at partitioning. would using FAT32 maybe help?
[02:25] <GRUMBLE> xie: what kind of drive?
[02:25] <segphault> godzirra: like tidyhtml?
[02:25] <ExUser1> hey what is a good distro for and old lappy.. say pentium 133, 266 or so with 2-4 gigs
[02:25] <GRUMBLE> no- no fatys
[02:25] <godzirra> Ooh...  that sounds promising.
[02:25] <LasseL> segphault, they respawn when I kill them
[02:25] <GRUMBLE> ExUser1: hmmm
[02:25] <bonvenon> shammy: I have to sleep now. good luck!
[02:25] <xie> It's a 13GB IDE drive I don't know the RPM
[02:25] <xie> I think it's a Seagate
[02:25] <dimitris>  sudo gedit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf This lets me edit the theme for root but not the iconset used
[02:25] <segphault> godzirra: http://tidy.sourceforge.net/
[02:25] <GRUMBLE> IDE or ATA would have been sufficient
[02:25] <vladuz976> anybody know how to change gtk2.x themes
[02:26] <godzirra> segphault: sweet.
[02:26] <GRUMBLE> what kind of processor?
[02:26] <xie> I had the Warty on there, but it didn't work right, so I am trying to install Hoary
[02:26] <emillan> Hi there, I'm downloading ubuntu at the moment because Fedora and Mepis are both giving me grief detecting my new S-ATA drive.  Does anyone know if I might have better luck with Ubuntu?
[02:26] <Slipaway172> theme details
[02:26] <ExUser1> pentium
[02:26] <xie> AMD K6-2-450
[02:26] <godzirra> segphault: thanks :)
[02:26] <GRUMBLE> ok
[02:26] <segphault> vladuz976: gnome-theme-manger
[02:26] <GRUMBLE> hmm
[02:26] <vladuz976> Slipaway172:  i am not in gnome
[02:26] <Thewrdnrd> Hmmm. Asked this earlier, but is there any way to run an install remotely? Like, boot the CD, ssh in and run the installer?
[02:26] <segphault> godzirra: no prob
[02:26] <Slipaway172> then what
[02:26] <GRUMBLE> xie: can you get into the install cd?
[02:26] <vladuz976> segphault: i am not in gnome
[02:26] <deprave> is it possible to get avi codec running on ubuntu?
[02:26] <Slipaway172> kde?
[02:26] <dimitris> Spipaway172: Isn't that only for standard users?
[02:26] <GRUMBLE> i mean does it boot?
[02:26] <xie> What do you mean?
[02:26] <ExUser1> anyone know a good distro for old pc
[02:26] <deprave> is it possible to get avi codec running on ubuntu anyone know
[02:26] <xie> Yeah, it boots from CD-ROM
[02:26] <ExUser1> p133-300
[02:26] <emillan> ExUser1: Damn Small Linux
[02:26] <xie> I go through language selection all the way up to auto partition
[02:26] <Slipaway172> should be able as root
[02:27] <xie> And then ti hangs at 6%
[02:27] <ExUser1> ok
[02:27] <emillan> deprave: try mplayer...
[02:27] <ExUser1> ouyt of curiosity what are the bare system settign for ubuntu
[02:27] <deprave> does mplayer play avi?
[02:27] <ExUser1> Happy Day and cpu
[02:27] <vladuz976> anybody know how to change gtk2.x themes other than from the menu
[02:27] <ExUser1> .hd
[02:27] <GRUMBLE> xie:  on the boot:  prompt, try expert acpi=false nolapic noapic debian-installer/probe/usb=false
[02:27] <hybrid_goth> deprave:  yup
[02:27] <raven3x7> deprave gat w32codecs
[02:27] <emillan> deprave: yep... providing you install the codecs that are included on their download page
[02:27] <ExUser1> gHg t 
[02:27] <ExUser1> jk
[02:27] <ExUser1> Just Kidding
[02:27] <raven3x7> get
[02:27] <GRUMBLE> so that means:  boot: expert acpi=false nolapic noapic debian-installer/probe/usb=false
[02:28] <hybrid_goth> deprave: get the codecs and it'll play damn near anything
[02:28] <bananbox> Hi, i got GeForce 6800 GT gfx card, how do a change HZ i got 60hz atm i want 85Hz, can some one help me?
[02:28] <xie> Where would I do that? It never gives me a prompt except when I can choose server install or not
[02:28] <LasseL> bananbox, i bet you can search the gentoo forums for that :)
[02:28] <vladuz976> anybody using enlightenment?
[02:28] <GRUMBLE> when you boot off the CD, it gives you the ugly base prompt that says blah blah blah
[02:28] <GRUMBLE> boot:
[02:29] <bananbox> LasseL,  k, thx :)
[02:29] <xie> ahh
[02:29] <raven3x7> bananbox, run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:29] <mebaran151> anyone here having Alsa problems with an embedded Via card
[02:29] <MikeEnIke> Hey everyone
[02:29] <GRUMBLE> xie, go do that now
[02:29] <mebaran151> the Via Envy 24HT
[02:29] <xie> BRB let me try that :o
[02:29] <rommer> how can i configure tightvncserver?
[02:29] <mebaran151> I need to get it to work
[02:29] <godzirra> segphault: wait.. does that actually indent code?  Or just do a check on it like the w3c validator does?
[02:29] <mebaran151> argghhhh
[02:29] <GRUMBLE> I'm gonna try to help you through
[02:29] <xie> Its in the next room, let me go give it a shot
[02:30] <spudse> Hi my laptop screen (compaq armada m300) turns white when ubuntu is done booting, now in the forums I found a possible solution for this, but i don't understand what it says: "Tried removing vga=771 from the bootstring, and that fixed the problem, incase anyone else have the same problem" Can anybody help me do this ?
[02:30] <GRUMBLE> yeah
[02:30] <mebaran151> is breezy X working, btw?
[02:30] <GRUMBLE> you do that!!!!!!!
[02:30] <raven3x7> LasseL, why would you suggest gentoo forums?
[02:30] <segphault> godzirra: it will do a *lot* of different things, not only indentation, but cleaning up invalid code, etc
[02:30] <GRUMBLE> seriously...
[02:30] <godzirra> ahh ok
[02:30] <GRUMBLE> cause maybe while he's doin that someone can help me fix my shizz
[02:30] <mebaran151> raven3x7: I'm trying gentoo
[02:30] <mebaran151> now
[02:30] <dimitris> ok system - preferences - themes doesn't work for root. Is there a way to sudo the theme applications so that its invoked with root priviledges?
[02:30] <LasseL> raven3x7, because overclocking graphic cards is a l337 thing
[02:31] <mebaran151> too bad all the time I save by compiling is wasted ... compiling
[02:31] <LasseL> was more or less kidding
[02:31] <GRUMBLE> LasseL, you must be a HaX0R
[02:31] <segphault> dimitris: sudo gnome-theme-manager
[02:31] <phil> hello... what's an easy to use cd/dvd burning program?
[02:31] <dimitris> thnx
[02:31] <MikeEnIke> How bad of a set up will Ubuntu run on?
[02:31] <GRUMBLE> phil: ez-cd creator?
[02:31] <segphault> phil: I like k3b
[02:31] <GRUMBLE> nero?
[02:31] <godzirra> ok.. it doesnt clean up excess whitespace so far... or I dont know how to get it to.
[02:31] <GRUMBLE> toast
[02:31] <spudse> I tried it on a 166mhz - 96mb ram laptop, but it was terrible slow
[02:31] <xie> GRumble, no good, it doesn't map my keyboard correctly
[02:32] <emillan> phil: k3b
[02:32] <xie> I can't even type that all out
[02:32] <segphault> godzirra: look at the docs, there are a ton of parameters for it
[02:32] <GRUMBLE> is it booted?
[02:32] <philone> I use k3b, but I have kde, my friend has gnome
[02:32] <raven3x7> LasseL, i dont think he wanted to overclock just change the refresh rate
[02:32] <xie> I'm at boot:
[02:32] <spudse> What is the "bootstring" ?
[02:32] <MikeEnIke> im gonna run it ona 533mhz 256 RAM I think
[02:32] <GRUMBLE> and when you tyep?
[02:32] <tarvid> MikeEnIke, passable on a 300hz GX-1
[02:32] <MikeEnIke> well I'm gonan run KDE on it
[02:32] <xie> the letters don't match up what I'm typing
[02:32] <MikeEnIke> ok cool thanks
[02:32] <xie> I hit "L" and I get ".l", "s" doesn't work at all etc
[02:32] <raven3x7> mebaran151, cool
[02:32] <LasseL> raven3x7, bananbox, my bad, sorry
[02:32] <GRUMBLE> hmmmm
[02:32] <GRUMBLE> are you using a mac keyboard?
[02:32] <GRUMBLE> or some wireless thing
[02:32] <xie> No
[02:33] <xie> Nope
[02:33] <MikeEnIke> Is there anywhere that is like a guide to linux as this will be the first time I've actually had linux installed.
[02:33] <GRUMBLE> pc-104?
[02:33] <mebaran151> so can anyone help me fix my Via Envy on ubuntu
[02:33] <xie> It's an old keyboard but its windows
[02:33] <GRUMBLE> hmmm
[02:33] <mebaran151> udev fails to make /dev/dsp
[02:33] <GRUMBLE> backspace?
[02:33] <xie> Yeah I think pc-104 maybe, someone gave this computer to me so I don't know
[02:33] <mebaran151> though the module is loaded
[02:33] <LasseL> mebaran151, most people seems to just have to turn the volume up in alsamixer, did you try that?
[02:33] <raven3x7> LasseL, i dont think there have been gfx cards running at 60Hz for quite some time ;)
[02:33] <godzirra> segphault:  Apparently no option to clean up excess whitespace according to the quickreference. :/  I'm still looking though  :/
[02:33] <GRUMBLE> xie: go try to boot regularly
[02:33] <xie> ok
[02:34] <GRUMBLE> but dont do anything after it's booted
[02:34] <LasseL> mebaran151, as a twist to that I had to MUTE a certain channel that was set to 0 volume but not muted before I got sound
[02:34] <xie> ok I'm at Language Select
[02:34] <xie> for a fresh install
[02:35] <GRUMBLE> push alt+f2
[02:35] <GRUMBLE> then enter
[02:35] <jasoncohen> hello everyone. I'm still having problems with my root partition. Yesterday X stopped starting because /etc/X11 wasn't accessible due to an input/output error. I did a manual fsck from the live-cd and was able to start up ubuntu. I ran the smartmon tests and my HD passed. there are 11 errors but nothing recent and the drive still is given a pass. I also ran memtest for 8 hours on the extended and regular tests (6 passes of regu
[02:35] <jasoncohen> lar test)
[02:36] <jasoncohen> I'm again getting issues with my root partition. I booted up just a few minutes ago after finishing the memtest session and X failed to load again due to some binary not loading. I did a shutdown -Fr now and after a fsck of my root partition, ubuntu started just fine
[02:37] <Fr0Gs> hey all i got a hdd formated in linux filesystem how can i make it go back to ntfs/fat32?
[02:37] <xie> ALT F2 just bringsu p the list of steps
[02:37] <netdur> is breezy usable?
[02:37] <xie> hitting enter brings me back to Languange Selection
[02:37] <jasoncohen> netdur, read the topic
[02:37] <GRUMBLE> huh???
[02:37] <GRUMBLE> it sounds like you've got a bum keyboard
[02:37] <shammy> when i run xorgcfg -textmode, once i'm finished it just says error failed to write to file
[02:38] <shammy> every time
[02:38] <GRUMBLE> how about other alt+f(x) KEYS?
[02:38] <cyphase> hey everyone
[02:38] <jasoncohen> so, is it possible my HD is failing and the smart tests don't show a problem, or do i have some other issue?
[02:38] <Chaotic_Shield> hey again everyone.
[02:38] <cyphase> no
[02:38] <GRUMBLE> xie: one of them shoudl get you to console
[02:38] <ryan_> Sweet i just had some kick ass fun. i was dealing with a prob so i couldnt handle, and we couldnt do a direct remote desktop because the machine was behind a router, a firewall and a proxy. we couldnt get the ip so we tunnled thru my router(which is a pc) and got into my laptop. was pretty sweet
[02:38] <jk_> hmm, if i lock my screen, will firefox stop downloading?
[02:38] <spudse> what is the "standard" password for root ?
[02:38] <Chaotic_Shield> spudse, blank.
[02:39] <netdur> jasoncohen, thanks :)
[02:39] <Mez> spudse - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[02:39] <Chaotic_Shield> You need to open a root terminal as soon as you log in with your username and do passwd.
[02:39] <Mez> !sudo
[02:39] <ubotu> well, sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[02:39] <Chaotic_Shield> heh.
[02:39] <Chaotic_Shield> Or that.
[02:39] <Chaotic_Shield> jk_,  shouldn't stop firefox.
[02:39] <spudse> Chaotic & Mez thanks
[02:39] <raven3x7> jk_, nope it will continue
[02:39] <xie> I agree either the keyboard is buste
[02:39] <jk_> okay, thanks
[02:40] <xie> busted*
[02:40] <xie> Or not being reconigzed right
[02:40] <inc595> any one familuar with BIND ?
[02:40] <Chaotic_Shield> Mez, can you help me with trying to get my wireless card to work?
[02:40] <xie> But it worked fine with Win95 =\
[02:40] <xie> What file system should it be using, maybe somehow it's selecting the wrong one?
[02:40] <jk_> sleep well everybody
[02:40] <tarvid> Chaotic_Shield, which wireless card
[02:40] <GRUMBLE> I go with ext3 or reiserfs
[02:40] <Chaotic_Shield> xie: What filesystem for Linux? I use Ext3 personally.
[02:40] <GRUMBLE> but any of them should work
[02:41] <jk_> (sry, en dk it is 2:40)
[02:41] <Chaotic_Shield> tarvid, wireless card isn't listed under network interfaces.
[02:41] <xie> It was trying Ext3 and locking up.
[02:41] <sprink> can ubuntu use debian packages?
[02:41] <GRUMBLE> try reizer
[02:41] <xie> I dont know just to get it working I'll try FAT or something
[02:41] <Chaotic_Shield> yes sprink.
[02:41] <tarvid> but which card /chipset
[02:41] <xie> once I get it working I can do a little more
[02:41] <GRUMBLE> Fat is more unlikely to work than any other
[02:41] <Chaotic_Shield> oh.
[02:41] <GRUMBLE> cept maybe the sun one
[02:41] <GRUMBLE> or hpfs
[02:41] <Chaotic_Shield> Dell TrueMobile 1300 tarvid
[02:41] <xie> O
[02:41] <hybrid_goth> reiserfs is good if ur not a newbie
[02:42] <xie> Ahh
[02:42] <Chaotic_Shield> tbh, ext2/3 is the easiest.
[02:42] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: I have gpm setup
[02:42] <paulproteus> xie: I'd test your RAM.
[02:42] <GRUMBLE> hybrid_goth, but he's getting locups when formatting
[02:42] <Razor-X> as far as I know, gpm does nothing in X
[02:42] <xie> I'm starting to get a little bit frustrated though, everyone told me that Ubuntu just "works"
[02:42] <tarvid> not sure about the 1300 but a lot of Dell TrueMobiles were Orinoco
[02:42] <paulproteus> xie: As soon as possible.
[02:42] <xie> Oh it could be the RAM you say?
[02:42] <GRUMBLE> reiser is good cause it's easy to get around that
[02:42] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X:  i dont have ubuntu setup
[02:42] <inc595> anyone know how to make you server allow slave zone transfers?
[02:42] <hybrid_goth> :p
[02:42] <paulproteus> xie: Yes.  You should use memtest86 to test your RAM.
[02:42] <GRUMBLE> paulproteus
[02:42] <Razor-X> xie: try booting with memtest
[02:42] <Chaotic_Shield> tarvid, ?
[02:42] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: ;)
[02:42] <hybrid_goth> no1 seeding PPC torrent
[02:42] <tarvid> Chaotic_Shield, does lspci give a hint?
[02:42] <paulproteus> GRUMBLE: Hmm?
[02:42] <GRUMBLE> ;it sounds like there's somthing in the keboard
[02:42] <xie> It passes the power-on test but I haven't tried memtest
[02:42] <GRUMBLE> sorry hit enter
[02:43] <xie> The keyboard works fine in Windows.
[02:43] <Chaotic_Shield> define hint.
[02:43] <Razor-X> xie: what kind of a keyboard is it?
[02:43] <GRUMBLE> paulproteus, maybe you can help me?
[02:43] <paulproteus> GRUMBLE: What do you want?
[02:43] <tarvid> lspci should give you the chipset info
[02:43] <inc595> evil M$ keyboard?
[02:43] <Chaotic_Shield> ah.
[02:43] <xie> Its a standard keyboard but with the very old plugs
[02:43] <tarvid> the chipset info leads to the driver
[02:43] <xie> not the small ps/2 sized ones
[02:43] <inc595> at style huh
[02:43] <Razor-X> xie: oh, it's an AT Connector?
[02:43] <GRUMBLE> I've been trying to get ubuntu working from hard drive for some days now
[02:43] <paulproteus> xie: Oh, the "AT Style DIN connector".
[02:43] <spudse> When I boot Ubuntu everything goes fine until I get a grey screen that fades to total white within 2 seconds.
[02:43] <Chaotic_Shield> none tarvid
[02:43] <paulproteus> GRUMBLE: What problem do you have?
[02:44] <Razor-X> do you have a native adapter?
[02:44] <spudse> cntrl+alt+F1 works fine, just graphics don't work, can anybody help me ?
[02:44] <xie> I don't have an adapter and it doesn't have a keyboard port other than that
[02:44] <GRUMBLE> works fine from CD, installs fine from install cd, but when I boot into the environment, gnome loads then everything halts- failsafe terminal is the onlyone I've been able to use
[02:44] <Razor-X> xie: how old is this machine?
[02:44] <tarvid> Chaotic_Shield, does it pwoer up? i.e. do you hear the beep and doeas a light on the card light?
[02:44] <Razor-X> AT Connectors are from pre-90s
[02:44] <xie> I have no idea, relatively old but not insanely old.
[02:44] <paulproteus> Razor-X: The system I put together (baby AT motherboard) in 1998 had an AT style din connector.
[02:44] <Razor-X> xie: what version of Windows do you run?
[02:44] <Chaotic_Shield> tarvid, it's a built in card. I wouldn't hear anything or see any lights.
[02:45] <paulproteus> xie: Please do test the RAM.
[02:45] <xie> It RAN 95, before I formatted
[02:45] <Razor-X> paulproteus: wow, that's pretty old nowadays
[02:45] <inc595> my celeron has AT connector
[02:45] <xie> I'm downloading memtest now
[02:45] <paulproteus> GRUMBLE: You, test your RAM too. :)
[02:45] <Razor-X> xie: now, what does it run?
[02:45] <GRUMBLE> hehehe
[02:45] <GRUMBLE> dod
[02:45] <xie> It runs nothing! :)
[02:45] <paulproteus> Razor-X: I stopped using that system.
[02:45] <GRUMBLE> mean did
[02:45] <xie> that's the problem
[02:45] <Chaotic_Shield> but the Device Manager sees it, so it's working.
[02:45] <inc595> it works fine till the header fell off
[02:45] <paulproteus> GRUMBLE: Oh, that's sad.
[02:45] <Razor-X> inc595: ``Celeron''s have been used for ages
[02:45] <xie> It didn't run Ubuntu Warty and won't even install Ubuntu Hoary
[02:45] <GRUMBLE> i'm confused... why would it work from the CD and not from the disk
[02:45] <inc595> Razor-X, =) yup
[02:45] <Chaotic_Shield> because.
[02:45] <Mez> xie: old cmops wont be able to run it
[02:45] <Razor-X> xie: you're saying that Ubuntu will setup on a machine that Windows 95 used?
[02:45] <paulproteus> bad blocks, GRUMBLE?
[02:45] <GRUMBLE> seriously
[02:45] <paulproteus> tty later, all
[02:46] <GRUMBLE> not likely
[02:46] <GRUMBLE> assklown
[02:46] <GRUMBLE> bbl
[02:46] <Razor-X> for your purposes, xie, you want DSL (Damn Small Linux)
[02:46] <xie> Why wouldn't Ubuntu work? I had it installed before, it just didn't support the video card.
[02:46] <tarvid> Chaotic_Shield, argh! it's a bcm, Linuxant would work but I would replace the mini-pci card with something that works
[02:47] <Chaotic_Shield> It works fine! It's Linux that's the problem.
[02:47] <tarvid> Chaotic_Shield, the nl-3054s are on ebay for about $25
[02:47] <Chaotic_Shield> I have $0.
[02:47] <Chaotic_Shield> And I'm not ordering a wlan card for a laptop I'm not even going to own in 3 months.
[02:47] <Chaotic_Shield> but it should work.
[02:48] <inc595> Razor-X,  it's  366MHz overclocked to 411MHz and I have it running dns, apache, ftp, mail, x-windows
[02:48] <Chaotic_Shield> Why doesn't Ubuntu recognize the card as a network interface?
[02:48] <tarvid> Chaotic_Shield, it is the proprietary drivers. You might try ndiswrapper (free) or Linuxant (~$20) or a card for about $25
[02:48] <tarvid> Chaotic_Shield, because their is no driver for the chipset
[02:48] <xie> This computer ran win95 without a problem, it should run Ubuntu
[02:48] <xie> It has a 450MHz processor
[02:48] <Chaotic_Shield> xie: don't count on it.
[02:49] <inc595> hey my laptop i'm on now is slower than 450MHz
[02:49] <xie> Well it's useless to me if it doesn't run Ubuntu ;)
[02:49] <xie> I don't have any other OS
[02:49] <tarvid> Chaotic_Shield, I had a similar problem with the mini-pci nic on my thinkpad, eventually I replaced the hardware rather than beat myself on the head over the driver
[02:49] <shakuhashi> do you use ubuntu with ltsp?
[02:50] <Chaotic_Shield> litestep? I thought that was an explorer shell replacement.
[02:50] <inc595> actually i'm on a amd-k6 450MHz laptop
[02:50] <xie> thats the same processor I'm using
[02:50] <xie> So I know it will work
[02:50] <xie> amd-k6-2 450
[02:50] <inc595> 96MB of ram
[02:51] <Chaotic_Shield> lol
[02:51] <Mabus> hi, I'm having some problems with the Eclipse IDE; when I try to run a simple project (just a System.out.println() thing), I get two errors in the Eclipse Error Log.
[02:51] <xie> Let me Memtest, this second chip of RAM could be bad, though I dont know if that would be the reason for a partition hang
[02:51] <inc595> it worked on my 233MHx laptop.. damn i have a lot of old hardware
[02:51] <Mabus> "Illegal XML character U+0" and "Unhandled event loop exception", they both occur in the "org.eclipse.ui" Plug-In
[02:51] <Mabus> anyone know what I can do to fix it ?
[02:52] <shammy> HI, i just installed ubuntu and cant get xserver configured. I go through the xorgcfg -textmode prompts and write it to the file, then i went to check the file and it didn't exist.. so i ran xorgcfg again and this time i got write failed! file not written
[02:52] <Mabus> shammy, tried running it with sudo ?
[02:52] <inc595> xie, here's my server's info http://ubuntu.minimzx.com/phpsysinfo/
[02:53] <dieguito> hi everyone
[02:53] <dieguito> can anyone help me
[02:53] <hybrid_goth> dieguito:  not untill you ask your question
[02:53] <shammy> mabus: no i haven't, would i need to?
[02:53] <tremblay> Hello.
[02:54] <xie> Its bad RAM
[02:54] <dieguito> thanks   hybrid_goth
[02:54] <xie> Memtest86 is going insane with ERRORS
[02:54] <xie> I have a bad stick in slot 2
[02:54] <jason_> anybody know how to get X working on breezy?
[02:54] <hybrid_goth> ;-)
[02:54] <dieguito> This is....I have  wireless car Dlink DWL 650
[02:54] <spudse> Can anybody help me with my Ubuntu screen problem ?
[02:54] <dieguito> but it doent work in my ubuntu
[02:54] <hybrid_goth> is it supported by linux?
[02:55] <dieguito> y tried de widnows's driver and ndiswraper
[02:55] <xie> I'm going to try and pull this chip out, I bet it's screwing up every time it tries to use this RAM
[02:55] <hybrid_goth> the windows driver wont do anything
[02:55] <inc595> that'll do it xie
[02:55] <dieguito> it soopuse to be
[02:55] <Mabus> shammy: no idea, but from what you're saying you want to write the Xorg config file, is that right ?
[02:55] <Chaotic_Shield> hybrid_goth, have you ever tried ndiswrapper by any chance?
[02:55] <Mabus> shammy: if so, you'll need to be root, and so you should use sudo
[02:56] <iceman2k> Any lucky fool here runnung Ubuntu 64 bit and Windows xp pro 64 bit ... duel boot ?
[02:56] <dieguito> and ndiswraper
[02:56] <hybrid_goth> Chaotic_Shield:  nope
[02:56] <jason_> iceman2k
[02:56] <jason_> I have got that to work in the past
[02:56] <jason_> whats the problem?
[02:56] <jason_> grub?
[02:56] <Chaotic_Shield> ah.
[02:56] <hybrid_goth> Chaotic_Shield:  why?
[02:56] <dieguito> what do you recomend?
[02:57] <iceman2k> just set the system up, got windows installed .. now need to set up ubuntu... any issues to look for ?
[02:57] <Chaotic_Shield> hybrid_goth, because. I'm going to try it out and see if it gets my wlan card to work.
[02:57] <Chaotic_Shield> and btw.
[02:57] <jason_> iceman2k it should work fine
[02:57] <schneemann> hye everyone, I've been having a problem with dual-booting ubuntu and windows with grub, for some reason, it keeps rebooting whenever I try to boot into windows, and sometimes it takes like 9 tries to successfully boot... anyone know how to fix this?
[02:57] <jason_> do you have an extra partition for Ubuntu?
[02:57] <iceman2k> jason_ ubuntu handle the partitioning ok ?
[02:57] <iceman2k> not set you ...
[02:58] <Chaotic_Shield> Sometimes when I restart my computer, GRUB doesn't load. It just restarts my computer over and over. Is there any way to a) either fix this from happening again, or b) make it so I can install GRUB back to the MBR without reinstalling Ubuntu?
[02:58] <jason_> you must have a free partition if you plan on using Hoary
[02:58] <hybrid_goth> bbiab
[02:58] <iceman2k> can reinstall windows if needed ... so need to do that .. what about a secong harddrive ?
[02:58] <Mabus> Chaotic_Shield: you can reinstall GRUB with a livecd, but it's quite tricky.
[02:59] <moparfan90_> hello. does anyone here use fluxbox?
[02:59] <iceman2k> had to make the move to 64 bit .. AMD 2800... it blows my old p4 2.8 away ... so far
[02:59] <Chaotic_Shield> Mabus, I was thinking a way to just make a cd with GRUB on it that I can say "Here, reinstall to MBR and reboot"
[03:00] <jason_> iceman2k: yes, you can re-install Windows but the windows bootloader will overwrite grub so you will need to find a way to restore it if you have Windows already installed
[03:00] <Mabus> Chaotic_Shield: I think you're out of luck then, it's not that easy.
[03:00] <moparfan90> anyone use fluxbox
[03:00] <moparfan90> ?
[03:00] <xie> RAM out, just one stick left in, rebooting into memtest
[03:00] <Mabus> You might find something though; I just know I was looking for the same thing a few months ago and ended up doing things the hard way - putting GRUB into the MBR manually.
[03:00] <jason_> you should be able to resize you partition in Windows and make some freespace for Ubuntu and it will handle the partitioning if you have a blank partition
[03:00] <iceman2k> jason_ no ubuntu installed yet .... will ubuntu allow me to resize the partitions ...
[03:00] <jason_> no
[03:00] <Chaotic_Shield> iceman2k, I believe so.
[03:00] <mebaran151> does Breezy have an X that works yet?
[03:01] <jason_> the next version will
[03:01] <Chaotic_Shield> ah nvm then.
[03:01] <mebaran151> I am willing to build my own nvidia driver
[03:01] <mebaran151> (it will be more recent anyway)
[03:01] <Mabus> yes, Breezy has an X that works
[03:01] <jason_> mebaran151: I am currently using bitchx from a command line in Breezy what do you think ;)
[03:01] <Mabus> currently
[03:01] <iceman2k> only running xp beta ... but will run the 120 expiration hack ...
[03:01] <jason_> no it doesn't
[03:01] <Mabus> well mine does
[03:01] <jason_> ?
[03:01] <jason_> what did you do?
[03:02] <mebaran151> jason_, because you are ridiculoulsy 1337 ....
[03:02] <tarvid> mebaran151, I am running breezy with X
[03:02] <hybrid_goth> jason_:  use irssi it makes bitchx look like a childs toy
[03:02] <iceman2k> Downloaded the xp beta .... but theres a way around the 120 expiration
[03:02] <jason_> yeah
[03:02] <tarvid> the problem is there is no suitable nvidia-kernel at the moment
[03:02] <jason_> I beat it
[03:02] <Razor-X> hey, vi users, how do you people feel about (t)csh ?
[03:02] <jason_> search on google for windows x64 activation crack
[03:02] <Razor-X> iceman2k: warez doesen't belong here
[03:02] <Razor-X> jason_: BitchX kicks ass ;)
[03:02] <hybrid_goth> heh there is more ppl in #ubuntu then #linux
[03:03] <Razor-X> don't listen to those irssi n00bs, meh
[03:03] <iceman2k> prefer ubuntu over winblows ... but have to use winblows for a few games ..
[03:03] <jason_> ok rock on Razor-X
[03:03] <mebaran151> tarvid: that is not so true
[03:03] <hybrid_goth> bitchx is for kids
[03:03] <mebaran151> for me at least
[03:03] <jason_> no cedega love iceman2k?
[03:03] <mebaran151> nvidia-kernel never works as I need a lter edition of the driver than is comitted
[03:03] <mebaran151> (I always dll it)
[03:03] <Razor-X> mebaran151: how do you like (t)csh?
[03:03] <tarvid> mebaran151, which part is not so true
[03:04] <occy> anyone here know how to make it so that the touchpad is turned off when your USB mouse is plugged in?
[03:04] <jason_> so how do I get X working in breezy
[03:04] <jason_> ?
[03:04] <mebaran151> Razor-X: haven't used it in a while
[03:04] <jason_> I am using amd64 if that is currently behind
[03:04] <mebaran151> bash was nicer
[03:04] <mebaran151> jasonme too
[03:04] <Razor-X> occy: you have to write a script to disable input from that device
[03:04] <Razor-X> mebaran151: hater! XD
[03:04] <occy> Razor-X, :/
[03:04] <Razor-X> the creator of vi made csh
[03:05] <jason_> meh I just did a dist-upgrade and no go
[03:05] <Razor-X> such a good program, spawned such a bad shell
[03:05] <mebaran151> Razor-X: enoug said ....
[03:05] <mebaran151> vi was horrible!
[03:05] <iceman2k> jason_ wish more software were available for 64 bit ...
[03:05] <Razor-X> mebaran151: well, you prefer csh over ash?
[03:05] <Blaze> "Cant't mount no such device.." ??    - dd_rescue -b 512 -B 256 if=/media/cdrom0 of=/home/bill/CD-retail-errors.iso
[03:05] <mebaran151> jason, yeah, dist upgrade is bad
[03:05] <jason_> like what?
[03:05] <tarvid> jason_, look in /etc/X11 and see where the symbolic link for X points to
[03:05] <mebaran151> Razor-X: I have never used ash
[03:05] <Razor-X> mebaran151: trust me, I don't think you will
[03:05] <Chaotic_Shield> anyone here compiled ndiswrapper before?
[03:05] <jason_> how do I do that tarvid?
[03:06] <tarvid> ls -la /etc/X11
[03:06] <Blaze> !ndiswrapper
[03:06] <ubotu> it has been said that ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[03:06] <xie> Whoever said it was my RAM
[03:06] <xie> I love you
[03:06] <jason_> it points to two places
[03:06] <iceman2k> Any mainstream games for linux 64 bit
[03:06] <Razor-X> xie: meh
[03:06] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X:  is nano flash?
[03:06] <xie> I took out the bad stick, am down to 64MB but am installing Ubuntu =)
[03:06] <Razor-X> you should'nt love that person
[03:06] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: yeah
[03:06] <jason_> to /usr/bin/X11
[03:06] <Razor-X> you should smother him
[03:07] <xie> This has been plaguing me for 4 days now
[03:07] <jason_> xORG
[03:07] <Razor-X> because bad RAM is a bad problem
[03:07] <mebaran151> Razor-X: no what I love
[03:07] <xie> Well. At least I still have one working stick.
[03:07] <mebaran151> when gentoo for five days
[03:07] <mebaran151> does nothing to compile
[03:07] <jason_> and /usr/X11R6/bin/x
[03:07] <xie> 64mb isn't terrible, I can get a new stick on monday
[03:07] <mebaran151> but compile I mean
[03:07] <hybrid_goth> mebaran151: heh
[03:07] <mebaran151> and in the end
[03:07] <tremblay> I'm trying to create a script (which can be executed from the gnome-panel) that will run a sudo command... however this is not possible. Anyone have ideas on ways to get around this?
[03:07] <mebaran151> I gained .4 seconds over my ubuntu benchmark
[03:07] <iceman2k> only paid $200 for a SOYO Dragon gamming case, Abit K8V motherboard and a AMD 64 2800 processor ....
[03:07] <tarvid> jason_, remove that link and make a new one pointing to /usr/bin/Xorg
[03:08] <ryan_> Has anyone here got ut2k3 on disc?
[03:08] <mebaran151> tremblay: gksudo
[03:08] <apunto> hi guys
[03:08] <ryan_> :-\
[03:08] <tarvid> it's one level back
[03:08] <jason_> temblay gksu sudo?
[03:08] <jason_> tremblay gksu sudo?
[03:08] <xie> Iceman, what core? You can overclock that to 3200+ speeds
[03:08] <xie> With good cooling, if it's a good core
[03:08] <hybrid_goth> tremblay:  gtksu?
[03:08] <tremblay> Thanks. How does it work exactly?
[03:08] <jason_> I have a 3000+
[03:08] <jason_> it goes to 3400+ speeds
[03:08] <xie> I'm trying to save up for a Venice 3500+
[03:08] <iceman2k> xie awsome ... still wainting on a better cpu fan ... get it monday ...
[03:09] <apunto> u gave a question....gksudo is not working for me (it says "wrong password")...do i have to modify a particular file to allow a non privilaged user access to run the gksudo command?
[03:09] <LasseL> better to underclock a little and enjoy the silence :p
[03:09] <jason_> ryan_ I have ut2004 on disc
[03:09] <xie> AMDs aren't particularly loud =)
[03:09] <apunto> sorry about the typos
[03:09] <iceman2k> xie ... quite as a mouse .... so far ...
[03:09] <jason_> AMDs are more effecient now than Intel desktop chips
[03:09] <iceman2k> instaled farcry ... now downloading the 64 bit patch
[03:10] <xie> Pentium M chips are the new hotness
[03:10] <xie> I can't wait until Intel releases a similar desktop line
[03:10] <jason_> but they are not 64 bit yet
[03:10] <xie> So?
[03:10] <ryan_> jason, its ut2k3 linux-install.sh i need
[03:10] <xie> Do you even have 64 bit OS?
[03:10] <jason_> no 4gb of ram ;)
[03:10] <xie> ... way too much unless you're a professional video editor
[03:11] <iceman2k> xie windows xp pro 64 bit ... as well as ubuntu 64 .. still need to install ubuntu yet
[03:11] <mebaran151> xie: or you compile stuff
[03:11] <xie> No 64 bit os = NO performance gain with a 64 bit processor
[03:11] <jason_> or want to leave every app open you use and never hit swap
[03:11] <xie> Well then have fun, it's just a waste.
[03:11] <mebaran151> xie: uh I wouldn say that completely
[03:11] <mebaran151> try encoding or compiling
[03:11] <jason_> compile times are faster
[03:11] <jason_> about 30 percent
[03:11] <mebaran151> the AMD64 stuff is about twice as fast
[03:11] <jason_> I have benchmarked
[03:12] <mebaran151> in encoding
[03:12] <xie> In a 32 bit OS?
[03:12] <mebaran151> compiling is a third faster
[03:12] <poningru> can you 32 bit apps in 64 bit os?
[03:12] <mebaran151> xie, no in a 64 bit oss
[03:12] <jason_> yes
[03:12] <xie> Oh I know that.
[03:12] <mebaran151> poningru: you can
[03:12] <xie> I said WITHOUT a 64-bit OS, there is no gain.
[03:12] <mebaran151> but you wouldnt
[03:12] <jason_> pningru yes
[03:12] <poningru> cool
[03:12] <Razor-X> what's the current BASH version?
[03:12] <mebaran151> xie: well you lose half the reisters
[03:12] <poningru> then why arent people using
[03:12] <iceman2k> Went from a Pentiium 4 2.8 ghz system to this AMD 2800 64 bit .. and there is a heck of a difference ..
[03:12] <Razor-X> jason_: you don't use tab complete?
[03:12] <poningru> the flash in 64 bit
[03:12] <Chaotic_Shield> you can install 32 bit apps on a 64 bit os if there's backwards compatibility.
[03:12] <jason_> yeah but the amd64s are more effecient than amd xps
[03:12] <poningru> iceman2k: percieved difference
[03:12] <xie> Because Windows XP 64 bit is very new, and there is very very poor driver support.
[03:13] <inc595> anyone know how to have dns allow slave zone xfers?
[03:13] <mebaran151> xie: I was testing it 6 months ago
[03:13] <poningru> iceman2k: did you do benchpressing?
[03:13] <mebaran151> it ... didnt ... work ... at ... all
[03:13] <iceman2k> poningru not et ...
[03:13] <xie> Yeah, I tried it at work and it didn't work with pretty much anything I had
[03:13] <xie> brb checking ubuntu install
[03:13] <LinuxJones> iceman2k, the AMD  is running well ?
[03:13] <mark> !backports
[03:13] <poningru> well thats the question
[03:13] <ubotu> from memory, backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[03:13] <iceman2k> need to add at least 512 more ram ... maybe a gig ...
[03:14] <mebaran151> the chroo is WAY more trouble than it is worth
[03:14] <shammy> when i run sudo xorgcfg -textmode, and try to write to file, it says it writes but the file is still empty. What can i do to configure x?
[03:14] <mebaran151> esp with Ming do flash ok nowadays
[03:14] <jason_> not really there is a guide on ubuntuforums on how to set one up
[03:14] <mebaran151> jason_, Imeant for my own apps
[03:14] <jason_> its the only way to use w32codecs
[03:14] <mebaran151> trying to compile against it is just hard
[03:15] <mebaran151> just one more bug to worry about
[03:15] <Razor-X> insinuating what?
[03:16] <iceman2k> The install went well so far ... for everything ... but just getting started... not sure what will or will not work
[03:16] <xie> Out of the box, does ubuntu have basic DUN capabilities?
[03:16] <tremblay> Is a 64bit processor's performance directly related to the amount of RAM? (ie, is there a threshold of gbs of RAM to have to get a performance boost?)
[03:17] <xie> No, RAM will boost any system up to a point
[03:17] <Razor-X> xie: depends if your modem is supported
[03:17] <Razor-X> and whether they're winmodems or not
[03:17] <tremblay> So a 64bit processor with 512mb of RAM should still get a performance boost in running 64bit apps compared to a 32bit proc with  32bit apps?
[03:17] <xie> After 2GB unless you are compiling or doing heavy 3d/video editing you won't see any boost.
[03:18] <xie> If you don't have a 64 bit OS you won't see any gain anyway.
[03:18] <Razor-X> xie: or any other memory intensive thing
[03:18] <xie> And 512MB of RAM will bottleneck anyway, I wouldn't go that low.
[03:18] <iceman2k> I got only 512 ... currently ... but thats the next upgrade ...
[03:18] <Razor-X> like that one FPS game written in 6 kb
[03:18] <xie> Yeah but those are the two most basic examples
[03:18] <xie> Oh god that game destroyed 512mb of RAM
[03:18] <Razor-X> I got 256, people
[03:18] <xie> I had 256 until a few weeks ago
[03:18] <Razor-X> ;)
[03:19] <xie> I upgraded to 1GB, 900% performance boost (exaggerated)
[03:20] <iceman2k> hay ... one step at a time .... basic system ... next ram ...
[03:20] <xie> RAM is so cheap
[03:20] <xie> $80 for 1gb
[03:20] <iceman2k> 80 gig harddrive ... with a 40 in reserve ..
[03:20] <xie> PC3200
[03:20] <Razor-X> xie: that's _real_ cheap
[03:20] <Razor-X> for kids who save up money with lunch money, that's not cheap
[03:20] <Razor-X> and parents who could care less about how new the technology is
[03:21] <iceman2k> amd will kick all ram baco to 333 mhz ... so i'll stick with 2700 ddr for now
[03:21] <xie> When you're building a system and you buy one 512 stick for $45-50
[03:21] <Razor-X> xie: my parents don't let me ;)
[03:21] <xie> For the extra few dollars it's such a boost, especially with Dual Channel
[03:21] <Razor-X> nor do they let me get a job, but that's another story there
[03:21] <Razor-X> I know my hardware
[03:21] <xie> I work two jobs and I can't afford a new computer, I know how it is.
[03:21] <iceman2k> got to see if the MOBO will support duel channel
[03:21] <xie> I'm just saying that you should always aspire to at least 1GB of RAM
[03:22] <tremblay> I have a laptop, so RAM is a bit more expensive.
[03:22] <xie> especially if you play games like HL2
[03:22] <rommer> iceman2k: does the ram fight each other?
[03:22] <james> i spend all my mony on my server, costs alot to keep going
[03:22] <Razor-X> I haven't played a modern game since Morrowind
[03:22] <Razor-X> now i'm comfortable with NetHack
[03:22] <iceman2k> one stick of ram currently ...
[03:22] <iceman2k> 512 meg ...
[03:23] <xie> iceman, you can't do dual channel anyway unless you get the exact same stick
[03:23] <iceman2k> oh , if this mobo will support it .. i'll get it
[03:23] <xie> Patriot 512MB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 333 (PC 2700) Unbuffered System Memory Model PSD512333 - Retail - $42.25
[03:23] <Razor-X> that's because I have 32 MB GPU
[03:24] <Razor-X> which is so sad.... meh ;)
[03:24] <Razor-X> I now try and optimize my software as much as I can, and tailor everything to my tastes
[03:24] <iceman2k> brb update farcry time
[03:24] <Razor-X> it's very effective, nobody knows how to use the machine
[03:24] <james> i am setting up a forrum on my site, as of yestarday, i am planning on having a linux support section, check it out and join at http://www.deusweb.linux-site.net/
[03:24] <karim> is there a way to change the mac adress of a network card ?
[03:24] <Razor-X> Dvorak, Trackball, zsh, mmmmmm ;)
[03:25] <xie> karim, you can spoof them, but you can't change them, it's a hardware thing
[03:25] <Razor-X> karim: you can spoof 'em, but nothing physical
[03:25] <Razor-X> why?
[03:25] <Razor-X> *cough need free internet? *cough*
[03:25] <karim> to bind another ip
[03:25] <karim> on the modem
[03:25] <karim> Razor-X, kind of
[03:25] <xie> I wish my neighbors had a wireless network :( stupid DIal up
[03:25] <Razor-X> I do
[03:25] <Razor-X> I let some neighbors bite off me for a while
[03:26] <luke> Does anyone know if there's a program like PeerGuardian for Linux?
[03:26] <karim> Razor-X, well, I managed to change the mac adress of the on board nic
[03:26] <Razor-X> then, one day, I just got pissed, and closed limited my wireless by MAC
[03:26] <karim> Razor-X, why did you get pissed ?
[03:26] <Razor-X> luke: if you use legal things, I don't think you'll need Peer Guardian
[03:26] <iceman2k> hanging system ... ?
[03:26] <linlin> Is there an easy way to change my screen resolution in ubuntu?
[03:26] <Razor-X> (which is a fscking memory hog)
[03:26] <karim> Razor-X, I could change it by flashing the mother board bios
[03:27] <Razor-X> karim: because _we_ pay $50 for _our_ internet
[03:27] <karim> something like tha
[03:27] <karim> that
[03:27] <Razor-X> karim: I doubt it
[03:27] <Razor-X> MAC is universal
[03:27] <zanysmash> hey
[03:27] <xie> http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/WishList/WishShareShow.asp?ID=1522377 this is the computer I want to build =\
[03:27] <luke> Razpr-X: Understood. But I download backup copies of movies that I actually own instead of ripping them.
[03:27] <Razor-X> it's a 1 MB line her, on fiber optic ;)
[03:27] <Razor-X> luke: then you'll ave no trouble
[03:27] <luke> Razor-X: And music, too.
[03:28] <karim> Razor-X, the guys managed to change the rom of the card so it could pxe boot
[03:28] <Octane> anyone know where aptitude stores the deb files? i know apt stores it in /var/cache/apt but where does aptitude?
[03:28] <Razor-X> if the RIAA knocks, show them your legal copies, and they leave
[03:28] <karim> Razor-X, and you could change the mac
[03:28] <luke> Razor-X: While true, I don't want that kind of attention anyway.
[03:28] <Razor-X> karim: that's pretty hard in most things, and keeping it usable, but possible
[03:28] <xie> Gah newegg deleted my DVD DW
[03:28] <xie> RW
[03:28] <iceman2k> xie what system
[03:28] <Razor-X> luke: you used google?
[03:28] <Razor-X> http://methlabs.org/projects/peerguardian-linuxosx/
[03:28] <karim> Razor-X, it was a ecs k7s5aL but it died in a white cloud of smoke
[03:29] <xie> http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/WishList/WishShareShow.asp?ID=1522377
[03:29] <Razor-X> ``Google Search: Peer Guardian Linux''
[03:29] <xie> That system
[03:29] <Razor-X> that's the first link right there
[03:29] <luke> Razor-X: I did briefly. Didn't try too hard. Thanks
[03:29] <xie> But add in an NEC DVD+/-RW
[03:29] <karim> so how can I spoof the mac adress ?
[03:29] <iceman2k> Antec Solution SLK2650-BQE Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 350W Power Supply - Retail
[03:29] <iceman2k> Model #:  SLK2650-BQE
[03:29] <Razor-X> karim: that's out of the scope of this channel, but I can look up some good tutorials for ya
[03:29] <xie> ?
[03:30] <Razor-X> and all the rest of you interested in network security
[03:30] <kyncani> karim seen macchanger ?
[03:30] <karim> kyncani, nope, I will check that
[03:30] <norhted> hi everyone, what is the fastest way to see .tex files?
[03:30] <Razor-X> norhted: they're plain text files
[03:30] <xie> iceman, what about it?
[03:30] <karim> Razor-X, anyway I could also use another nic :)
[03:30] <Razor-X> you see them in a text editor
[03:30] <Razor-X> karim: yeah, meh
[03:30] <linlin> How do i change screen resolution in ubuntu
[03:30] <norhted> Razor-X: yes but i want to see them formatted
[03:31] <Razor-X> norhted: are ya using LaTeX for the first time? (just wondering)
[03:31] <norhted> linlin: system-preferences-screen resolution from your GUI
[03:31] <norhted> Razor-X: yes
[03:31] <zanysmash> how do i remove ipv6 from my connections ?
[03:31] <zanysmash> network connections
[03:31] <Razor-X> norhted: ahhh, I suggest lshort.pdf to get started
[03:32] <Razor-X> and latex foo.tex produces dvi output
[03:32] <Belutz> what?s the purposes of LaTeX ?
[03:32] <karim> kyncani, in fact I searched "mac change" with apt-cache search, but it returned to much result
[03:32] <Razor-X> you'll need a dvi viewer, else you want to convert the dvi input to ps/pdf/a billion other formats
[03:32] <karim> so I gave up ^^
[03:32] <iceman2k> brb soon
[03:32] <Razor-X> Belutz: it's a typesetting language
[03:32] <kyncani> karim: i did the same thing with additionnal keyword address ;)
[03:33] <norhted> Razor-X: well how can i do that?
[03:33] <linlin> Is there a way to goto a screen resolution not in that list?
[03:33] <Belutz> Razor-X, typesetting language? do you mean it?s a programming languange?
[03:33] <Razor-X> Belutz: it's a format that contains a parsed set of commands
[03:33] <Razor-X> s/parsed/parsable/
[03:33] <Belutz> linlin, you could edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:33] <Razor-X> but it doesen't create a ``program''
[03:34] <Razor-X> norhted: there are dvi viewers
[03:34] <Belutz> Razor-X, ic... what it usually use for?
[03:34] <norhted> Belutz: especially they are good for math symbols
[03:34] <xie> Ubuntu install complete, rebooting, hoping the monitor works
[03:34] <xie> It didn't in Warty =\
[03:34] <shammy> when i run sudo xorgcfg -textmode, and try to write to file, it says it writes but the file is still empty. What can i do to configure x?
[03:35] <Belutz> norhted, ic
[03:35] <norhted> Razor-X: and these viewers will help me to see .tex files in formatted; right?
[03:36] <Madpilot> hi all
[03:36] <Cin> I'm going insane trying to find out how to configure 3D acceleration to my gfx card, forums contain people who have already configured it. agghhh
[03:36] <sprink> is it possible to install kde instead of gnome from the install cd?
[03:37] <karim> sprink, kubuntu
[03:37] <Madpilot> sprink: if you download the Kubuntu CD, yes
[03:37] <hopeng> why my ubuntu won't save my screen resolution (1152), it always comes back to 1024...
[03:37] <karim> sprink, there is a special cd with kde
[03:37] <robotgeek> hopeng: still stuck with 1024?
[03:37] <sprink> does that also have the same support as ubuntu? like security patch support and stuff?
[03:37] <robotgeek> Madpilot: hi
[03:37] <Cin> my res is reet now, i used ubuntuguide.org's guide and it got me the right reses
[03:37] <hopeng> lol robotgeek  !! howdy, i can do 1152x864
[03:38] <hopeng> but after i relogin, it goes back to 1024
[03:38] <norhted> Razor-X: ?
[03:38] <sprink> dang. I guess I just downloaded and installed the wrong distro :(
[03:38] <robotgeek> hopeng: it's in your xorg file right?
[03:38] <Cin> but i've clearly not got 3D acceleration, GL screen savers and whatnot at giving 15fps rather than the supposed to be 75fps
[03:38] <occy> Razor-X, I tried the instructions found here:   http://www.wlug.org.nz/HotPlugNotes   (half-way down the page): Disabling the touchpad when a USB mouse is added  ||  It didn't seem to work. :/
[03:39] <Madpilot> sprink: you can change from Gnome to KDE without re-installing everything
[03:39] <Razor-X> norhted: back
[03:39] <robotgeek> occy: if u are on ppc, you can try powerprefs
[03:39] <Razor-X> norhted: first run ``latex foo.tex''
[03:39] <Razor-X> that'll get you a .dvi
[03:39] <LinuxJones> hopeng,  >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:39] <hopeng> robotgeek, default 24, i put only 1152 on 24, still no clue
[03:39] <Razor-X> then, get a dvi viewer
[03:39] <Madpilot> sprink: but I've never done it myself
[03:39] <Razor-X> (I suggest KDVI, but it is a KDE app, xgdvi is o-k, nothing special)
[03:40] <Razor-X> then open it up in your DVI viewer, and b00m ;)
[03:40] <sprink> macewan. can I use aptitude to remove gnome. then install kde with apt-get? (if I use ubuntu cd)
[03:40] <sprink> Madpilot*
[03:40] <occy> robotgeek, nope... x86
[03:40] <robotgeek> occy: i dunno abt x86, sorry
[03:40] <Razor-X> norhted: maybe try tkdvi?
[03:40] <norhted> Razor-X: bash: latex: command not found
[03:40] <occy> np
[03:40] <Madpilot> sprink: I think you can just install KDE right over Gnome - but I've never done it, so I'm not sure!
[03:40] <Razor-X> norhted: ...................
[03:40] <occy> get Xfree/Xorg to use /dev/input/mice as the core pointer, of type IMPS/2. All mice on the system send events via /dev/input/mice as well as each individual /dev/input/mouse<n> device. Add a secondary mouse that points to /dev/input/touchpad.
[03:41] <Belutz> sprink, u could install the kubuntu-desktop, using sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:41] <hopeng> robotgeek, LinuxJones, any software that can do 'quoating the client's bandwith?'
[03:41] <occy> actually, not sure about that line.
[03:41] <Razor-X> norhted: you _did_ install LaTeX, right?
[03:41] <occy> don't think I did that.
[03:41] <occy> heh
[03:41] <norhted> Razor-X: nope :(
[03:41] <sprink> Belutz. then I could remove gnome?
[03:41] <Razor-X> norhted: meh
[03:41] <LinuxJones> hopeng, squid proxy server
[03:41] <Razor-X> sudo aptitude install tetex
[03:41] <norhted> Razor-X:  :)
[03:41] <robotgeek> hopeng: quoting??
[03:41] <Belutz> sprink, i think so
[03:41] <Razor-X> there you are
[03:41] <hopeng> *quoating
[03:41] <hopeng> *limiting
[03:41] <norhted> Razor-X: i was just asking how to do it :)
[03:41] <hopeng> tq
[03:41] <Razor-X> norhted: well, check out lshort.pdf
[03:42] <Razor-X> it'll get you started in LaTeX in no time
[03:42] <norhted> Razor-X: from where?
[03:42] <Razor-X> norhted: google
[03:42] <hopeng> How to screen calibrate ?
[03:42] <norhted> Razor-X: yeah, right :((
[03:42] <norhted> :))
[03:42] <Razor-X> norhted: it should be available in the first result
[03:42] <Razor-X> it's a very widespread document, available on various P2Ps as well
[03:43] <Belutz> sleepy... haven?t sleep yet
[03:43] <norhted> Razor-X: yeah i found it
[03:43] <necrogami> is there a gui for iptables?
[03:43] <karim_> nice I have a new ip now
[03:43] <necrogami> !find iptables
[03:43] <LinuxJones> hopeng, You can do it with iptables as well >> http://www.roback.cc/howtos/bandwidth.php
[03:43] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'iptables' (3 shown): iptables ;; iptables-dev ;; libiptables-ipv4-ipqueue-perl.
[03:43] <isai> I followed the instructions on the Ubuntu wiki on how to setup Java (SDK only). It works on the command line but in firefox it says I need the JRE to run the java plugin. Is it okay if I install both the SDK and JRE to get the plugin working? Or should it already work with just the SDK?
[03:43] <Razor-X> isai: do you develop Java?
[03:43] <deprave> is it possible to get avi codec running on ubuntu anyone know
[03:44] <Razor-X> !tell deprave about restrictedformats
[03:44] <isai> Razor-X: no, I just want the firefox plugin.
[03:44] <Razor-X> isai: then why did you use the SDK?
[03:44] <Razor-X> SDK == Standard Developer's Kit
[03:44] <Andares> Wrong.
[03:44] <Andares> SDK == Software Developer's Kit
[03:44] <Razor-X> Andares: that matters?
[03:44] <isai> Razor-X: because that's what the instructions on the wiki said to do.
[03:44] <Razor-X> isai: meh
[03:44] <Razor-X> you'll want the JRE
[03:44] <Andares> Razor-X, YES!
[03:45] <jmet> I am having a horrible time of installing the latest nvidia driver
[03:45] <Razor-X> Andares: ahhh, my bad ;)
[03:45] <Andares> ;) j/k
[03:45] <Jemt> Hi. Is there someone who can tell me how to turn off my wireless network card? I'd like to make my laptop run on battery as long as possible
[03:45] <robotgeek> Razor-X: lshort.pdf is Not so short introduction, right?
[03:45] <Razor-X> Jemt, and jmet, meh
[03:45] <Razor-X> robotgeek: yeah
[03:45] <Razor-X> incredible stuff
[03:45] <isai> Do I uninstall the SDK first and then install the JDK. Or is it okay to have both installed?
[03:45] <hopeng> robotgeek, LinuxJones thx a lot!
[03:45] <Jemt> Razor-X, Hehe :)
[03:45] <Razor-X> isai: it's fine to have both
[03:45] <jmet> Razor, ?
[03:46] <hopeng> how to open .RAR archive ?
[03:46] <Jemt> jmet : See our nicks
[03:46] <Razor-X> hopeng: get the package ``unrar''
[03:46] <isai> Razor-X: thanks. I'll just follow the instructions again but substitute the JRE for SDK.
[03:46] <Octane> i just tried out enlightenment
[03:46] <occy> heh
[03:46] <hopeng> last night i get RAR..
[03:46] <Razor-X> Octane: nice, no?
[03:46] <occy> all I have to do is simply do:  rmmod psmouse
[03:46] <occy> bah
[03:46] <occy> heh
[03:46] <jmet> lol
[03:46] <hopeng> thx Razor-X
[03:46] <Octane> Razor-X: nice but complicated
[03:46] <Octane> Razor-X: nice eycandy :)
[03:46] <occy> wild goose chase
[03:46] <Razor-X> Octane: doesen't seem complicated to me
[03:46] <Razor-X> I setup Eterm, and it works dandy
[03:46] <Octane> Razor-X: you use it?
[03:46] <Razor-X> Octane: for a bit
[03:47] <Razor-X> but, Eterm stayed my default Terminal
[03:47] <Octane> Razor-X: back to gnome?
[03:47] <Octane> heh no shit
[03:47] <Razor-X> Octane: KDE, actually
[03:47] <Razor-X> Eterm kicks ass if you configure it right
[03:47] <Octane> Razor-X: better than konsole?
[03:47] <Razor-X> Octane: Konsole pales!
[03:47] <hopeng> all the GTK themes at gnome-look.org , can ubuntu hoary use it?
[03:47] <necrogami> i want to open port 80 on iptables how do i do this
[03:47] <Razor-X> hopeng: yes
[03:47] <Octane> Razor-X: what the hell could it do better? its just a cosnole :)
[03:48] <Razor-X> Octane: when you stare at a console all day long, better is better
[03:48] <jmet> I cant even install nvidia-glx through Synaptics....
[03:48] <Razor-X> the only GUI apps I use are: TuxRacer, Cube, Opera, KDVI, and KPDF
[03:48] <norhted> Razor-X: this is a great document about tex, thank you.... :))
[03:48] <Razor-X> norhted: like I said, it's awesome
[03:48] <mebaran151> you know Ubuntu is the only single CD distribution for AMD64
[03:48] <Razor-X> this document will take you back to the light
[03:48] <mebaran151> Razor-X: what article
[03:49] <jmet> error exot status 2
[03:49] <Razor-X> and you'll never have to get tainted by the evil of ``WYSIWYG Word Processing'' ever again ;)
[03:49] <norhted> Razor-X: yeah :)
[03:49] <jmet> exit
[03:49] <Razor-X> mebaran151: lshort.pdf
[03:49] <mebaran151> the biggest problem I've ever had was clumsy cutting and pasting
[03:49] <Razor-X> norhted: I also suggest, though, that you use the document in the sections you need _first_ then peruse the whole thing cover to cover when you have the time
[03:50] <Jemt> Could someone please tell me which package 'network-admin' belongs to? I want to perform a minimal Ubuntu installation with Xfce, but want to install some of the nice tools from Gnome.
[03:50] <Razor-X> I read the general sections first, because I didn't need math formulae till later on
[03:50] <Razor-X> that's when I went through the math section
[03:50] <Octane> anyone here know anything about packaging deb's? i have been trying to package a damn version upgrade of taglib for the past 5 hours -- no joke
[03:50] <Razor-X> Octane: man dpkg, I guess
[03:50] <mebaran151> Razor-X: where do I get it, sounds interesting
[03:50] <mebaran151> I used to think similarl, cli for everying
[03:51] <Octane> Razor-X: you dont do it with dpkg
[03:51] <Razor-X> I have some compiled stuff (Eterm, links2), but I don't think i'll release it
[03:51] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I love the CLI, it's so effecient for me
[03:51] <norhted> Razor-X : duly noted...
[03:51] <Razor-X> and I do everything in my favorite editor ;)
[03:51] <mebaran151> Razor-X: I can type faster than I can click
[03:51] <Razor-X> and my favorite terminal multitasking program
[03:51] <Razor-X> mebaran151: that used to be me, but my trackball kinda changed that
[03:52] <mebaran151> but then I installed a tiny little pkg that that supplied a cli applet
[03:52] <Razor-X> google for lshort.pdf
[03:52] <mebaran151> and gui becaume a nice synthesis of both extremes
[03:52] <Jemt> Could someone please tell me which package 'network-admin' belongs to?
[03:52] <Razor-X> necrogami: I have that same connection ;)
[03:52] <mebaran151> some file tasks are much easier done with some draggin'
[03:52] <Razor-X> mmmm, Fiber Optic ;)
[03:52] <mebaran151> Razor-X: fancy
[03:52] <Razor-X> mebaran151: such as? ;)
[03:52] <mebaran151> Razor
[03:52] <mebaran151> take three disparae files
[03:53] <Razor-X> only thing I like about GUI is ID3 tags
[03:53] <mebaran151> from random corners of your operating system
[03:53] <necrogami> 14 down 6 up
[03:53] <mebaran151> and move them to one folder
[03:53] <mebaran151> three commands or three clicks
[03:53] <Chaotic_Shield> Can someone help me with ndiswrapper? I'm getting there. I have the wireless card installed and it's listed as a network interface.
[03:53] <mebaran151> but the clicks go faster
[03:53] <norhted> Razor-X : :))))
[03:53] <Chaotic_Shield> But it doesn't exactly work as a network interface.
[03:53] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I use Krusader/Total Commander/Midnight Commander
[03:53] <tremblay_> Anyone know how a command that will create an "Okay, all done" prompt once a script has finished executing?
[03:53] <mebaran151> Razor-X: yeah
[03:53] <Razor-X> so, I _don't_ point-and-click ;)
[03:53] <Razor-X> I use F5, meh
[03:53] <mebaran151> that is sort of GUI esque
[03:54] <mebaran151> so using XFCE is kind fo close
[03:54] <LinuxJones> necrogami, that's awesome
[03:54] <mebaran151> esp if you use the cli applet
[03:54] <Chaotic_Shield> mebaran151, you can move 3 files with one command.
[03:54] <tremblay_> Chaotic_Shield, what's the problem?
[03:54] <necrogami> thx
[03:54] <Chaotic_Shield> cp <file1> <file2> <file3> <dest>
[03:54] <mebaran151> Chaotic_Shield: it would be pretty obfuscated
[03:54] <Chaotic_Shield> heh.
[03:54] <Razor-X> tremblay_: if [[ function ] ] ; then; print 'Done!'; fi;
[03:54] <Chaotic_Shield> That's not the point ;)
[03:54] <LinuxJones> necrogami, how much is it ?
[03:54] <Razor-X> errrr, sorry
[03:54] <necrogami> im in the comcast test group heh ... im enjoying the connection
[03:54] <Razor-X> that's zsh syntax right there ;)
[03:54] <Chaotic_Shield> tremblay_, read up.
[03:54] <mebaran151> necrogami: how do you join
[03:54] <necrogami> same price as normal service
[03:54] <postmodern> how do i enable images to be shown in emails in Evolution?
[03:54] <Chaotic_Shield> The card works, but doesn't.
[03:54] <necrogami> you dont join
[03:54] <mebaran151> I have comcast
[03:54] <mebaran151> I am getting 516 kbps
[03:55] <necrogami> you get contacted
[03:55] <Chaotic_Shield> Somehow, the computer isn't going
[03:55] <postmodern> Evolution is not downloading the images inorder to protect my privacy
[03:55] <Octane> amarok is so fucking amazing ahhhhhhhhhhh
[03:55] <mebaran151> is that about what you are getting
[03:55] <LinuxJones> necrogami, with what isp ?
[03:55] <necrogami> Comcast
[03:55] <Octane> postmodern: thats very nice of Evolution wouldnt you say
[03:55] <tremblay_> Chaotic_Shield, how does it 'work' and how does it 'not work' ? :P
[03:55] <Octane> :)
[03:55] <dek> hola
[03:55] <Razor-X> mmmm, cplay rocks for music
[03:55] <necrogami> and you gotta be a certain distance from the node also i know that much
[03:55] <postmodern> Octane, well yeah, except when you want to turn it off
[03:55] <Razor-X> mebaran151: try LaTeX
[03:55] <mebaran151> Razor-X: I might
[03:55] <Razor-X> you won't go back to normal WYSIWYG -- ever
[03:55] <Octane> Razor-X: cplay kde app?
[03:55] <Chaotic_Shield> tremblay_, it works by the fact that it is now listed as a network interface. It doesn't work in the fact that it doesn't actually do anything, except sit there and look cool.
[03:55] <mebaran151> Razor-X: I tried it
[03:56] <Razor-X> Octane: it's a CLI app
[03:56] <mebaran151> cplay is nie
[03:56] <mebaran151> but it isnt ground breking
[03:56] <Razor-X> I've heard of MPD
[03:56] <tremblay_> Chaotic_Shield, at least it looks cool.
[03:56] <Chaotic_Shield> lol.
[03:56] <Razor-X> well, what does a music player need to do?
[03:56] <necrogami> Anyone know how to open Port 80 on IPtables?
[03:56] <Razor-X> make playlists?
[03:56] <Chaotic_Shield> It's builtin. That's why it looks cool.
[03:56] <Razor-X> and *gasp* play them?
[03:56] <Razor-X> ;)
[03:56] <Razor-X> and have some sort of seek function
[03:56] <tremblay_> Chaotic_Shield, have you configured it in the network interface?
[03:56] <Chaotic_Shield> yes.
[03:57] <Chaotic_Shield> It's been given an SSID and set to use DHCP
[03:57] <shammy> can someone help me? I just installed ubuntu and cant get X configured. i run xorgcfg -textmode but it never writes the file. How can i get X working?
[03:57] <Chaotic_Shield> and the little checkmark saying "Device is configured" has been checked.
[03:57] <scythe> hello all
[03:57] <Razor-X> Chaotic_Shield: have you tried to configure it manually?
[03:57] <Razor-X> shammy: prepend a sudo
[03:57] <tremblay_> Chaotic_Shield, try deactivating and reactivating it.
[03:57] <poningru> rofl
[03:57] <poningru> no 15mbit yet
[03:57] <Chaotic_Shield> This isn't my router, so I'm not going to fuck around with static IPs and such.
[03:57] <tremblay_> Works for me.
[03:57] <poningru> only 5mbit
[03:57] <shammy> Razor-X: I did
[03:57] <Razor-X> 15 mbit here, mmmm, fiber optic ;)
[03:58] <necrogami> Anyone had any experience w/ configureing a Cisco Modem?
[03:58] <Razor-X> Chaotic_Shield: DHCP is more fscking ;)
[03:58] <Razor-X> although, i've been hearing that DHCP has been acting up on certain boxes
[03:58] <DukGalNamu> hey why would i have 111 processes running?
[03:58] <Razor-X> DukGalNamu: because you do?
[03:58] <tremblay_> Chaotic_Shield, sudo ifdown wlan0 (or whatever) and sudo ifup wlan0..
[03:58] <DukGalNamu> Razor-X: never had that many before
[03:58] <necrogami> my gigabit nic wont activate on ubuntu
[03:58] <Chaotic_Shield> pft
[03:59] <necrogami> its fully detected just it wont come on
[03:59] <DukGalNamu> Razor-X: typically only about 60
[03:59] <Chaotic_Shield> my freakin Gigabit works.
[03:59] <Razor-X> I have 77 processes
[03:59] <Chaotic_Shield> But my Truemobile n'est pas.
[03:59] <Razor-X> DukGalNamu: read the process list, maybe?
[03:59] <Madpilot> DukGalNamu: I've got ~130 running... don't worry about it...
[03:59] <_Icebreaker_> need some help. The installation can't setup a bootloader(lilo/grub) but i don't know why. What could be a problem for this?
[03:59] <Chaotic_Shield> lol.
[03:59] <DukGalNamu> Razor-X: yeahi  wouldn't but it happened like overnight
[03:59] <mebaran151> so freaking silent
[03:59] <mebaran151> so nice
[03:59] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I've heard about Shuttle
[04:00] <elmagozizou> Hi I have two copmputers in my network...One of them have windows on it(My father computer) and my comuter is runing ubuntu...Can any one tell me where to get documentation about how to get to a windows computer from linux?
[04:00] <mebaran151> elmagozizou: one word: samba
[04:00] <Razor-X> holy!
[04:00] <Chaotic_Shield> pft.
[04:00] <Chaotic_Shield> Google > *
[04:00] <Razor-X> they're -- EXPENSIVO
[04:00] <mebaran151> jut look for all the samba packages
[04:00] <DukGalNamu> elmagozizou: apt-get install smb4k
[04:00] <necrogami> Google Grid > *
[04:00] <DukGalNamu> elmagozizou: then run smb4k in a bash shell
[04:01] <necrogami> NICE!
[04:01] <Razor-X> elmagozizou: you mean access the Windows files?
[04:01] <necrogami> IPv6
[04:01] <Razor-X> necrogami: mmmm?
[04:01] <necrogami> Crispy who
[04:01] <elmagozizou> DukGalNamu, ok...
[04:01] <necrogami> Crispy who's ya isp?
[04:01] <DukGalNamu> elmagozizou: or you could do it the command line way
[04:01] <mebaran151> Razor-X: I am distributing my computing over 3 shuttle xpc's
[04:01] <elmagozizou> Razor-X, yeahpp like that
[04:01] <Chaotic_Shield> can you mount remote drives?
[04:01] <DukGalNamu> elmagozizou: which i still haven't figured out
[04:01] <mebaran151> silent but amazing
[04:01] <DukGalNamu> elmagozizou: you windows PC needs to have shares
[04:02] <necrogami> crispynix-v6 has joined this channel. (~c@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:30ef) IPV6 ip address ... ~.~ i want one
[04:02] <elmagozizou> DukGalNamu, let me try samba..
[04:02] <Madpilot> mebaran151: 3? cool, but pricey...
[04:02] <mebaran151> Madpilot: a little bit
[04:02] <DukGalNamu> elmagozizou: smb4k is sambe
[04:02] <mebaran151> onlyl one is shuttle
[04:02] <Razor-X> mebaran151: expensivo, man, expensivo
[04:02] <mebaran151> the rest were barebones
[04:02] <elmagozizou> DukGalNamu, the files that I would acces are the ones that are in share? only?
[04:02] <DukGalNamu> elmagozizou: except it is a GUI version of the network
[04:02] <mebaran151> that I picked up on sale
[04:02] <crispynix-v6> necrogami: www.freenet6.net is what I use (tunnel broker)
[04:02] <Razor-X> what kind of cluster are you using, mebaran151 ?
[04:03] <mebaran151> still trying to figure that out
[04:03] <necrogami> oh
[04:03] <DukGalNamu> elmagozizou: not in share, but that are designated as share folders
[04:03] <mebaran151> using drb now
[04:03] <crispynix-v6> my ISP is still IPv4 :/
[04:03] <mebaran151> and making it all those tasks ruby scripts
[04:03] <Madpilot> mebaran151: OK, that makes (financial) sense! one server, one desktop and one ???
[04:03] <jantan21> hi alll
[04:03] <scythe> what is the best bittorrent client for linux
[04:03] <mebaran151> Madpilot: I am not so wealthy
[04:03] <mebaran151> as to afford three of them!
[04:03] <Amaranth> scythe: gnome-btdownload or bittorrent 4.1.2
[04:04] <Razor-X> if my dad actually buys me a desktop this weekend
[04:04] <DukGalNamu> elmagozizou: just get smb4k and you should be able to get whatever you need, if you still neeed help then the guys over at #samba are really helpful
[04:04] <Razor-X> because he's so fed up at me putting Linux on this computer
[04:04] <mebaran151> one of them is a Via C3 for 200 dollars
[04:04] <Razor-X> two words
[04:04] <mebaran151> really nice
[04:04] <Razor-X> KICK ASS
[04:04] <mebaran151> Razor-X: the power of Linux
[04:04] <Madpilot> Razor-X: prebuilt box or are you going to be able to roll your own?
[04:04] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I can see that
[04:04] <necrogami> mebaran151: Rupy > All Other Programming :-P
[04:04] <xie> Always build your own :O
[04:04] <mebaran151> Razor-X: get the parts and build it yourself
[04:04] <DukGalNamu> Madpilot: rollyour own?
[04:04] <scythe> what is the best bittorrent client for ubuntu?
[04:04] <Razor-X> Madpilot: I doubt my dad would let me roll it all on my own
[04:04] <mebaran151> it is easy
[04:05] <mebaran151> nah
[04:05] <elmagozizou> DukGalNamu, ok..tnks...can you tell me where can i get networking documentation for linux?
[04:05] <mebaran151> cheap and easy
[04:05] <DukGalNamu> Madpilot: you sound like a cigar specialist :p
[04:05] <xie> You get so much more bang for the buck when you make your own
[04:05] <mebaran151> esp if you get one of teh Via kits
[04:05] <Razor-X> well, I was looking at the Shuttle for portability
[04:05] <DukGalNamu> elmagozizou: i wish i knew :P
[04:05] <mebaran151> that are so so quiet
[04:05] <Madpilot> "roll your own" = build yourself from components - nothing to do with cigars!
[04:05] <Razor-X> the specs are decent, but put this machine to shame
[04:05] <mebaran151> Razor-X: I have a shuttle
[04:05] <mebaran151> it is NICe
[04:05] <DukGalNamu> Madpilot: sure....
[04:05] <mebaran151> nothing nicer in the world
[04:05] <mebaran151> the build quality, the cooling
[04:05] <jantan21> i want install ubuntu and warning is kernel, what is linux 386, linuk-image-386,etc help me ?
[04:05] <mebaran151> it is really astounding
[04:05] <elmagozizou> DukGalNamu, jajaa ok...
[04:05] <DukGalNamu> Madpilot: i actually got some wholesale suppliers, and i build for businesses
[04:06] <Razor-X> first thing i'm gonna do is split my partitions in half
[04:06] <Razor-X> baby, w00t
[04:06] <DukGalNamu> ?
[04:06] <isai> I have installed both the SDK and JRE for java as detailed in the Ubuntu wiki, yet still firefox does not the available plugins.
[04:06] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I know I could never build something like Shuttle's PCs
[04:06] <isai> help?
[04:06] <DukGalNamu> alright i am out of here
[04:06] <mebaran151> Razor-X: I did yesterday
[04:06] <mebaran151> relaly easy
[04:06] <nalioth> isai: what platform are you using?
[04:06] <mebaran151> i bought a barebones kit with skt 939
[04:06] <mebaran151> around 249 dollars with a kickass ase
[04:06] <isai> x86, pentium M
[04:07] <mebaran151> sale on 160 gig Seagate for 80
[04:07] <mebaran151> an A64 for 250 and an ooptical for 80
[04:07] <deprave> ?
[04:07] <jantan21> hello help me
[04:07] <mebaran151> very good deal
[04:07] <dooonz> hey guys my bro has a wireless card in his desktop computer. It keeps disconnecting but my lappy will stay connected wirelessly for how ever long its on for. is there a setting i can set so that my bro doesnt get disconnected
[04:07] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I don't have hardware skill ;)
[04:08] <Razor-X> my hands are like sticky fudge
[04:08] <xie> You can't really break anything
[04:08] <jantan21> hi alll help me
[04:08] <Madpilot> Razor-X: you really don't need hardware skills to put together a PC
[04:08] <xie> And all you need is a screwdriber
[04:08] <xie> driver*
[04:08] <Razor-X> Madpilot: I've build one before
[04:08] <Razor-X> but, something like Shuttle....
[04:08] <tremblay_> jantan21, linux-386 is for 32bit processors.
[04:08] <Madpilot> shuttle would be fiddlier, yeah
[04:08] <mebaran151> Razor-X: toolless man
[04:09] <ccesario> hey... how to configure BR ABNT2 keyboard in breezy.... the / and ? keys don't work :(
[04:09] <mebaran151> the shuttle kits are really well designed
[04:09] <mebaran151> all you need is a nice screwdriver
[04:09] <Madpilot> my next box is going to be a shuttle, if I can afford it...
[04:09] <jeru> When trying to install nvidia-glx within Synaptics or apt-get I get the following error message "E: /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-glx_1.0.7174-0ubuntu1_i386.deb:  subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 2"
[04:09] <Madpilot> but this box is only 4 months old now...
[04:09] <Random_Sindrom> jantan21...386 is the architecture of the machine
[04:09] <jantan21> i want install ubuntu and warning is kernel, what me select, choose linux 386, linuk-image-386,etc help me ?
[04:09] <jeru> Tried a different cd to pull archive of the file off of as well as downloading from net
[04:09] <Madpilot> bbl
[04:10] <Flying_Eagle> hi
[04:10] <jantan21> random sindrom : what me select, choose linux 386, linuk-image-386,etc help me ?
[04:10] <Flying_Eagle> do you know where the pypanel-package has gone?
[04:10] <mebaran151> Madpilot: they arent THAT expesnive if you roll your own
[04:10] <mebaran151> just a little more than a standard rig
[04:10] <jantan21> my computer is p2-400 mem 128
[04:10] <mebaran151> jantan21: choose the first one
[04:10] <mebaran151> it contains all the rest
[04:10] <mebaran151> oh
[04:11] <Random_Sindrom> jantan21... if you got a pc choose linux 386
[04:11] <mebaran151> i386 I believe
[04:11] <xie> You can build a decent gaming computer for around $500 especially if you can salvage parts
[04:11] <jeru> Any ideas?
[04:11] <jantan21> thx's all
[04:11] <linlin> opinions on DVD authoring/burning software???
[04:11] <linlin> suggestions rather
[04:11] <jantan21> i try first, thx's
[04:12] <mebaran151> linlin: uh gnomebaker is pretty good
[04:12] <mebaran151> graveman is decent
[04:12] <mebaran151> oh dvd author makes video dvd's
[04:12] <linlin> any all in one shit out there like roxio?
[04:12] <mebaran151> linlin: roxio doesnt make movies does it?
[04:13] <linlin> yes with menus and such
[04:13] <mebaran151> ah
[04:13] <mebaran151> well Linux splits that off
[04:13] <mebaran151> I dont know the package off hand
[04:13] <mebaran151> but I know my myth TV setup can do it
[04:13] <linlin> yes as can mine
[04:14] <mebaran151> yeah
[04:14] <mebaran151> nothing really all in one
[04:14] <Octane> anyone here know anything about packaging deb's? i have been trying to package a damn version upgrade of taglib for the past 5 hours -- no joke
[04:14] <mebaran151> it is a bad idea to do it that way
[04:14] <linlin> ok
[04:14] <linlin> i guess menus are not totally vital
[04:14] <mebaran151> Octane: checkinstall?
[04:15] <linlin> just conversion tools and stuff
[04:15] <mebaran151> linlin: I think you can make menus
[04:15] <Octane> mebaran151: checkinstall?
[04:15] <mebaran151> Octane, if all you need is a local pkg
[04:15] <mebaran151> checkinstall will make it for you
[04:15] <mebaran151> I dont think you can ommit it though
[04:15] <Octane> mebaran151: i am trying to package taglib 1.4 (1.3.1 is latest deb)
[04:15] <Octane> i tried using uupdate
[04:15] <Octane> you familiar with that method
[04:16] <scythe> how do i compile a .h file
[04:16] <Albaraha> $ runlevel
[04:16] <Albaraha> unknown
[04:16] <Albaraha> Is this normal?
[04:17] <mebaran151> scythe: you dont
[04:17] <LinuxJones> Albaraha, try runlevel
[04:17] <mebaran151> h files just declare to the compiler how a function works
[04:17] <Albaraha> scythe, .h is a header file. It's not compiled it's included in c or cpp files
[04:17] <mebaran151> so that it doesnt have to penetrate an opaque binar
[04:17] <mebaran151> y
[04:17] <LinuxJones> Albaraha, should say N 2
[04:17] <scythe> ahhh. back to the search then
[04:17] <scythe> thanx
[04:17] <Albaraha> unknown
[04:18] <LinuxJones> Albaraha, did you do a normal install of Ubuntu ?
[04:18] <scythe> why can i find the libdvdcss package... or where can i get a more extensive sources.list?
[04:18] <Madpilot> !repos
[04:18] <ubotu> [repos]  at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[04:18] <scythe> thax
[04:18] <scythe> thanx too
[04:18] <Madpilot> scythe: see the URL ubotu just posted
[04:19] <Albaraha> I'm not in Ubuntu atm, LinuxJones. It's Sorcerer Linux which has the problem
[04:19] <linlin> Razor-X whats so great
[04:19] <Razor-X> mebaran151: http://www.sosdg.org/~razorx/totalpwnage.wav
[04:19] <scythe> yeah, checking it nows
[04:19] <isai> after installing java SDK and JRE, I have found this compiled in my system: libjavaplugin_oji.so. Can I just dump this in .mozilla in a plugin directory?
[04:19] <Burgundavia> scythe, wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats also has more info
[04:19] <hopeng> !tell hopeng about cvs
[04:20] <isai> Can someone who has the java plugin run a 'locate' on their system for libjavaplugin_oji.so and tell where it is?
[04:20] <LinuxJones> Albaraha, well that's not really a question for this channel :D
[04:21] <Albaraha> but, this is a general linux question
[04:21] <QMario> Is the CHAINTECH SLV3-128 Volari V3 128MB DDR  AGP 4X/8X Video Card supported in Ubuntu?
[04:22] <dougsk> QMario, isn't that an nvidia chipset?
[04:22] <Amaranth> never heard of it
[04:22] <Amaranth> we need to know who makes the chipset
[04:22] <Amaranth> err, the GPU
[04:23] <dougsk> Amaranth, yeah your right gpu prolly better word
[04:23] <LinuxJones> Albaraha, yes, it is not normal for that command to fail, maybe they renamed the script file or something.
[04:23] <QMario> Dougsk, no Chipset: Volari V3
[04:23] <dougsk> QMario, ah was reading yes your right not nvidia at all. hhmm
[04:23] <QMario> Dougsk, no. Chipset: Volari V3
[04:24] <xie> Thats it, I am officially done with ubuntu linux
[04:24] <Madpilot> isai: /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/plugin/i386/ns7-gcc29/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[04:24] <Flying_Eagle> anyone using pypanel here?
[04:25] <Amaranth> QMario: If they have linux drivers it supported but you have to get the drivers from them.
[04:25] <JDahl> xie, what's wrong?
[04:25] <xie> I just spent the past few DAYS getting it installed properly and it still doesn't display anything
[04:25] <xie> Booting Ubuntu... and then blank screen
[04:25] <QMario> Amaranth, they have Red Hat and SUSE drivers. Will those work?
[04:26] <Jemt> Could someone please help me make my scroll work? I don't use a mouse but a Trackpoint (IBM X31 laptop)
[04:26] <Jemt> I really can't do without scroll :)
[04:27] <dougsk> QMario, hmm, I can't tell tbh.  You might try configuring using the vesa driver if vesa2.0 is supported on the gfx card.  That will get you going, no hardware acceleration though
[04:30] <LinuxJones> ouch !!!
[04:31] <dougsk> wb
[04:32] <QMario> Amaranth, I also received help from #KUBUNTU. http://pastebin.com/325839
[04:32] <Amaranth> QMario: Have you actually tried this driver?
[04:32] <QMario> Yes.
[04:32] <QMario> X Window would not load.
[04:32] <scythe> gott a question on my hdparm.conf
[04:33] <Jemt> Hi again. Could someone please help me setup scroll for my IBM X31 laptop (Trackpoint)
[04:33] <QMario> I even edited /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:33] <liable> 	Option          "EmulateWheelButton"    "2"
[04:33] <liable> 	Option		"Emulate3Buttons"	"true"
[04:33] <scythe> would /dev/hdc { (line break) dma = on (line break)} work?
[04:33] <Jemt> QMario : Have you tried 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' ? The tool will guide you through the setup process
[04:34] <QMario> Not yet.
[04:34] <Amaranth> Jemt: no, he is installing a custom driver
[04:34] <Amaranth> QMario: "Doesn't load" doesn't tell me much.
[04:35] <QMario> X Windows doesn't display a graphical user interface. The monitor is blank and black. The keyboard turns off.
[04:35] <QMario> Although the computer is still on.
[04:35] <Amaranth> err
[04:35] <Amaranth> *shrug*
[04:35] <Jemt> Amaranth: Oh, ok. Sorry :)
[04:35] <Amaranth> sorry
[04:37] <QMario> What distribution of Linux will work with this video card?
[04:38] <_Icebreaker_> how can i use 2monitors on ubuntu?
[04:38] <QMario> Do you have two video cards?
[04:39] <_Icebreaker_> onevideo card that ist dual headed
[04:39] <dougsk> QMario, you might try Jemt's suggestion and use the 'vesa' driver to get going. As best as I can quickly tell (http://x.org/X11R6.8.2/doc/manindex4.html) x doesn't support that particular card.
[04:40] <QMario> Sorry, I don't know.
[04:40] <QMario> :(
[04:40] <Jemt> QMario: What kind of Video Card are you installing ?
[04:40] <Jemt> Or trying to install
[04:40] <dougsk> QMario, that's not a final answer though, there might be support for it and you may get going, I'm certainly not an authority
[04:41] <Jemt> Does anyone know how to turn off a wireless network card? It consumes power and i'm running on batteries :)
[04:42] <scythe> can you turn one off, or just unload the module?
[04:42] <_Icebreaker_> is the base install of ubuntu able to mount ntfs part readonly?
[04:42] <QMario> Jemt, 'CHAINTECH SLV3-128 Volari V3 128MB DDR  AGP 4X/8X Video Card'.
[04:42] <dougsk> Jemt, most laptops have a physical switch near the touchpad to turn them off.  Some have bios options or magic key combos
[04:43] <Jemt> dougsk: Heh, yeah - thanks. Normally I can use fn+F5 - but it only works in WinSux :)
[04:43] <QMario> Dougsk, thank you. Unfortunately, I am already using vesa. Yuck! Hey, but I am grateful that it works. :)
[04:43] <desrt> _Icebreaker_; yes.
[04:43] <knowledge_> guys...what can be done about "qmake not found in current PATH. Maybe QT development environment isn't available (qt3-devel)."??
[04:44] <_Icebreaker_> desrt: can you just descripe how to do that?
[04:44] <desrt> _Icebreaker_; do you know what device the partition is on?
[04:44] <desrt> like /dev/hda1 or whatever?
[04:44] <dougsk> QMario, ah vesa isn't to bad with some cards.
[04:44] <_Icebreaker_> must be hda1 and hda2
[04:44] <desrt> two ntfs partitions?
[04:44] <_Icebreaker_> there are mor but one example should be enough
[04:44] <dougsk> Jemt, hmm some laptops thinkpad's in particular have additional programs that can be installed to offer additional support
[04:45] <desrt> ok.  what do you want to call it... like "nt" or "windows" or "c"?
[04:45] <Jemt> QMario: Oh, ok. Don't know that card - sorry. But most cards work with the Vesa driver
[04:45] <desrt> and do you want to mount it just this once or always on bootup?
[04:45] <Jemt> dougsk: Really? Sounds great. I'll check apt-get
[04:45] <_Icebreaker_> should be mounted every time
[04:45] <_Icebreaker_> when i boot up
[04:45] <desrt> _Icebreaker_; k.  pick a name
[04:46] <_Icebreaker_> windows :P
[04:46] <desrt> ok.  sudo mkdir /mnt/windows
[04:46] <desrt> then sudo vi /etc/fstab
[04:46] <desrt> at the bottom, add a line like this:
[04:46] <desrt> /dev/hda1      /mnt/windows     ntfs     ro,uid=yourusername    0 0
[04:46] <mrt> Can anybody log on ICQ with gaim ?
[04:47] <_Icebreaker_> im using nano. its familar to me
[04:47] <desrt> _Icebreaker_; that's cool :)
[04:47] <desrt> done?
[04:48] <_Icebreaker_> yes i gues i have to edit uid=
[04:48] <desrt> yes.  put your username there :)
[04:48] <desrt> by default only one user can access the files on ntfs
[04:48] <knowledge_> Anyone?
[04:48] <_Icebreaker_> would that work with gid too?
[04:48] <desrt> no
[04:48] <desrt> it's accessible only to the user
[04:49] <desrt> if you want, you can use "umask" to open up the permissions some
[04:49] <desrt> like  umask=222 to make it readable to everyone
[04:49] <desrt> (instead of uid=)
[04:49] <desrt> but then anyone can read any file on the entire filesystem
[04:49] <desrt> even if it's protected under windows
[04:50] <_Icebreaker_> oh. thanks vor your help
[04:50] <desrt> now you should be able to type: sudo mount /mnt/windows
[04:50] <desrt> to check if it worked
[04:51] <_Icebreaker_> ok it works thank you
[04:51] <desrt> np.  cheers.
[04:51] <QMario> Do any of you guys know if the 'CHAINTECH SLV3-128 Volari V3 128MB DDR  AGP 4X/8X Video Card' will work with any Linux distributions?
[04:52] <bob2> the chipset is more important to know than whateve rcompany stuck their name on it
[04:52] <Amaranth> Volari V3
[04:52] <Amaranth> it's an XGI thing
[04:52] <bob2> XGI?
[04:52] <Amaranth> that's a company...
[04:53] <xkuseme> can anyone tell me how to install windows after i already have ubuntu?
[04:53] <Nameeater> is it possible to switch user like in win xp where it keeps the other users apps etc going?
[04:53] <Amaranth> it looks like a kickass card, honestly
[04:53] <Amaranth> cheap, fast, and full-featured
[04:53] <bob2> Nameeater: of course
[04:53] <DonL> Amaranth, have you bought it yet?
[04:53] <bob2> Amaranth: and with no useful drivers
[04:54] <bob2> Nameeater: applications -> system -> new login
[04:54] <Amaranth> bob2: suse and rhel :(
[04:54] <desrt> QMario; i'd have to guess no.
[04:54] <Amaranth> bob2: probably built for one specific kernel version
[04:54] <ryan_> anyone know of a good download manager?
[04:54] <desrt> QMario; unless it has either an nvidia, ati or matrox chipset on it
[04:54] <Nameeater> awsome!! thanks bob2 :)
[04:54] <desrt> ryan_; wget :)
[04:55] <toad3030> what is the gears command?
[04:55] <desrt> or if you need advanced management capabilities, wget + screen
[04:55] <desrt> toad3030; glxgears
[04:55] <bob2> toad3030: glxgears?
[04:55] <xkuseme> bob2: canyou help me too
[04:55] <toad3030> ty
[04:55] <_Icebreaker_> desrt: how can i look for the exact device names of my partitions? fdisk /dev/hdb????
[04:55] <ryan_> desrt, does it have a gui?
[04:55] <bob2> bear in mind it is not a useful benchmark, though
[04:55] <desrt> _Icebreaker_; fdisk -l
[04:55] <bob2> xkuseme: google
[04:55] <desrt> _Icebreaker_; sudo fdisk -l, even
[04:56] <DonL> Amaranth, I've learned to research hardware so I buy what works with my system
[04:56] <Jemt> Hm, why is it that difficult to turn off a wireless network card. That's quite irritating
[04:56] <ryan_> anyone know of a good download manager _WITH A GUI_
[04:56] <ryan_> :)
[04:56] <toad3030> is there anybody that can help me w/ installing cedega?
[04:56] <bob2> ryan_: apt-cache search download manager
[04:56] <dougsk> ryan_, d4x is used by some
[04:56] <Jemt> ryan_: Havn't tried it yet - but maby gdm
[04:57] <bob2> Jemt: it's not, but it is hardware specific
[04:57] <Jemt> ryan_, Wait a sec
[04:57] <bob2> toad3030: #cedega
[04:57] <toad3030> ok thx
[04:57] <Jemt> ryan_, Think I gave you the name of a display manager :)
[04:57] <jasmuz> toad3030: what is your issue?
[04:57] <ryan_> Jemt, you got it handy/
[04:57] <ryan_> ?**
[04:57] <bob2> xkuseme: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows?highlight=%28windows%29
[04:58] <toad3030> i'm following the instruction on how to install, but nothing is working
[04:58] <xkuseme> bob2: thanks
[04:58] <bob2> toad3030: you paid transgaming money, presumably they give you support?
[04:59] <Jemt> ryan_, d4x perhaps :)
[05:00] <ryan_> ok thanks
[05:00] <adwait> hey ppl....not exactly an ubuntu question, but do you have any idea if I can connect my laptop AND my computer to a DLink DSL-502T?
[05:00] <Jemt> ryan_,
[05:00] <Jemt> ryan_: 'apt-get install d4x'
[05:00] <bob2> adwait: er, surely your manual answers that?
[05:00] <adwait> bob2: cant find the manual :p
[05:00] <ryan_> got it jemt thanks mate ;)
[05:00] <xkuseme> bob2: can i just unplug my ubuntu hd, make the other hd master, install windows and then switch it back to slave and boot into ubuntu and add the new hd to grub? will that work?
[05:00] <Jemt> ryan_: np :)
[05:00] <bob2> will windows boot from a slave drive at all?
[05:01] <adwait> bob2: it has an ethernet port and a usb port,........so i was thinking, if i connect one to computer and the other to the laptop...it shoudld work right?
[05:01] <knowledge_> guys...what can be done about "qmake not found in current PATH. Maybe QT development environment isn't available (qt3-devel)."??
[05:01] <bob2> I haven't really used windows since win98
[05:01] <toad3030> bob2: btw nobody in that channel is helping either, that is why i came here
[05:01] <bob2> adwait: why don't you just try it?
[05:01] <xkuseme> bob2: i don't know
[05:01] <dougsk> adwait, most modem/routers won't work if both usb and ethernet is in use (usb turns ethernet off)
[05:01] <bob2> knowledge_: a) google, b) install libqt3-mt-dev, c) /usr/share/doc/libqt3-mt-dev/README.Debian
[05:01] <nomasteryoda> adwait, er, I don't think it will
[05:01] <nomasteryoda> you need to get a hub
[05:01] <nomasteryoda> or switch
[05:02] <xkuseme> bob2: i could even leave the windows hd as second master
[05:02] <nomasteryoda> at least here in the states, they can be had for sub $20
[05:02] <QMario> Is either Redhat or SUSE free?
[05:02] <bob2> ok, but I have no idea if windows has had that bug fixed or not
[05:02] <digitalfox> QMario, Fedora Core is
[05:02] <knowledge_> bob2, Thanks
[05:02] <nomasteryoda> QMario, not like Ubuntu though
[05:02] <digitalfox> QMario, which is based on RedHat
[05:02] <bob2> QMario: their beta versions are
[05:03] <QMario> Sorry guys. I desperately want to use Linux with this video card.
[05:03] <Jemt> Does anyone know how to disable a wireless network card on a IBM Thinkpad ?
[05:03] <flask-> hi, I went and added the backports repository line to my sources.list and ran an update, and now certain packages aren't found anywhere in my available list, specifically there are no packages for Adobe Acrobat
[05:03] <nomasteryoda> QMario, what card?
[05:03] <QMario> I don't want to go back to Windows. :(
[05:03] <bob2> you can't return it for a better supported card?
[05:03] <DonL> Just tonight I put Kubuntu into my Ubuntu box. That's the extent I'll go to dual booting. I used to dual boot. Still had to have anti virus, anti ad, anti everything
[05:03] <dougsk> xkuseme, bob2 asked a valid question will windows even boot on the slave drive?  That is hardware dependent.  if you do move drives around ubuntu will at least nead fstab changed indicating the new partition locations
[05:03] <bob2> flask-: acrobat probably isn't legally redistributable by anyone
[05:03] <nomasteryoda> Jemt, sure there should be button combo with Fn lock key
[05:03] <flask-> bob2: ok
[05:03] <QMario> Nomasteryoda, Chaintec Volari V3
[05:04] <Jemt> nomasteryoda: Dosn't work in Linux
[05:04] <nomasteryoda> so that has nvidia chip?
[05:04] <nomasteryoda> awe
[05:04] <Amaranth> QMario: XGI Volari V3
[05:04] <QMario> Will my video card work with Fedora Core?
[05:04] <Amaranth> QMario: chaintech is just the person who puts the parts on the board and ships it
[05:04] <dougsk> QMario, no I don't think so, other than with vesa
[05:04] <QMario> Amaranth, true.
[05:04] <puff> evening.
[05:04] <bob2> QMario: #fedora
[05:04] <xkuseme> dougsk: i mean i am gonna trick the windows, just for the installation i'll make it master ubuntu won't even notice, coz the next time i boot into it it will be switched back to slave
[05:04] <QMario> Okay, hold on.
[05:04] <nomasteryoda> QMario, also on #suse
[05:05] <dougsk> xkuseme, that is doable supposing the motherboard/bios supports booting to another drive besides the first primary
[05:05] <puff> I tried to use synaptic to install something, it asked for the ubuntu install disk.
[05:05] <bob2> puff: so put it in, or configure synaptic to only use the internet
[05:05] <QMario> Thank you guys. :) I will ask the people at those channels.
[05:05] <xkuseme> dougsk: that is what i am wondering about
[05:06] <puff> bob2:  Yeah, I put the Cd in, I'm wondering what files I need to copy from the CD, and where I need to put them, to avoid needing it in the future.
[05:06] <Jemt> dougsk: If you are trying to recover your boot loader, it should be quite easy. Chroot into your Linux installation, run 'grub' and install it in the MBR that way
[05:06] <bob2> puff: you'd need to copy the whole cd somewhere
[05:06] <scythe> hello, im back
[05:07] <DonL> puff, make sure the cd is in, and repeat the same request
[05:07] <_Icebreaker_> i want to play mp3 but i cant find the package gstreamer8.0-mad
[05:07] <Jemt> dougsk: If you want to know more about chrooting you could read the chapter about this subject in the Gentoo Handbook at gentoo.org
[05:07] <bob2> because it's not called that
[05:07] <bob2> it's gstreamer0.8-made
[05:07] <bob2> er, mad
[05:08] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats, and linked from the FAQ
[05:08] <puff> Hm, i installed mplayer (via apt-get) but it says it has no plugin to handle mp3s.
[05:08] <ryan_> How come with the default theme, and with most others, text on websites is often the same as the forgrund colour? is ther ea way to fix this?
[05:08] <dougsk> Jemt, ah yeah, grub-install I think, but that still doesn't work without changing fstab entries to reflect the new partition locations (s|h)d{a,b,c...)
[05:09] <dougsk> Jemt, but it's not really relevent to me at this point, I'm not swapping drives about
[05:09] <Jemt> dougsk, Okay
[05:10] <puff> odd question, why does the ubuntu site always redirect to ssl?
[05:10] <ryan_> bob2, How come with the default theme, and with most others, text on websites is often the same as the forgrund colour? is ther ea way to fix this?
[05:10] <bob2> you need to be way more specific
[05:11] <bob2> ie which browser? which website?
[05:11] <dougsk> puff, they like our protecting our privacy more than we do?  no teasing, I dunno thawte was pretty big into crypto at one time or another
[05:11] <ryan_> bob2, its in firefox, and it actually occurs on apps as well
[05:11] <Jemt> Hm, just found out that I got no sound in any of my games. Could someone help me debug my system =
[05:11] <puff> Thawte is behind ubuntu?
[05:11] <Jemt> ?
[05:11] <bob2> "apps"?
[05:11] <bob2> puff: no
[05:11] <puff> bob2: the url you just pasted, in firefox.
[05:11] <bob2> puff: except in the sense that the founder of Canonical got rich by starting thawte...
[05:11] <puff> ah-ha.
[05:11] <Amaranth> Super rich.
[05:11] <bob2> Jemt: pkill esd
[05:12] <bob2> ryan_: doesn't oocur here
[05:12] <Amaranth> Like $20,000,000 to go into space doesn't put a dent in his funds rich. ;)
[05:12] <ryan_> bob2 it was like that when i first booted
[05:12] <Jemt> bob2, roger
[05:12] <Amaranth> Like makes more money from investments than the entire Linux service industry rich. (debconf joke)
[05:12] <DonL> Amaranth, I didn't know that, but it's good he's putting it back
[05:12] <Amaranth> aye
[05:12] <Jemt> bob2: done. started esd again. Got sounds from Gnome but not from my games
[05:13] <dougsk> Amaranth, just watched that today, even!  laughed pretty good
[05:13] <bob2> Jemt: er, no, don't restart it
[05:13] <Jemt> Oh , ok
[05:13] <dougsk> I haven't watched the rcs speech yet, but it's on the todo
[05:13] <Jemt> bob2: Great, worked
[05:14] <Jemt> bob2: So I haft to kill 'esd' every time I reboot =
[05:14] <Jemt> ?
[05:14] <bob2> no
[05:14] <Jemt> Oh, great !
[05:14] <bob2> you have to decide what you want to do
[05:14] <bob2> simplest is to kill it before running legacy apps like games
[05:14] <Jemt> bob2: What choices do I have ?
[05:14] <bob2> hardest is to get everything to use alsa and dmix
[05:15] <Jemt> Oh
[05:15] <Jemt> Used alsa back in Mandrake and Gentoo
[05:15] <Jemt> Oh well. I can live with killing it once in a while :)
[05:15] <bob2> and you're using alsa on ubuntu, too, of course
[05:15] <Jemt> Ok. Could be using OSS (i think it's the name of the new sound server)
[05:16] <bob2> no
[05:16] <Jemt> Oh
[05:16] <bob2> OSS is the name of the old set of sound drivers
[05:16] <dougsk> so what does the magic eight-ball say for unified sound system (gstreamer?) anyways?
[05:16] <bob2> ALSA has replace it almost entirely
[05:16] <Jemt> Oh, IC. Thanks - good to know :)
[05:17] <bob2> everything in gnome seems to be moving towards gstreamer
[05:17] <bob2> I predict someone creating an entirely incompatible "kstreamer" soon
[05:17] <Jemt> Hehe :)
[05:17] <Jemt> esd - what is that exactly ?
[05:17] <dougsk> bob2, so where does that leave threaded sounds and esd?
[05:17] <bob2> it's a "sound daemon"
[05:17] <HrdwrBoB> bob2: KDE is allegedly supporting gstreamer
[05:17] <HrdwrBoB> Jemt: it's the bane of our existance
[05:17] <bob2> instead of apps talking to the sound card, esd owns it, and apps talk to it
[05:18] <dougsk> does gstreamer handle gaim and evolution going beep at the same time
[05:18] <bob2> dougsk: hopefully going away
[05:18] <dougsk> bob2, ah cool
[05:18] <knowledge_> libqt3-mt-dev: Depends: libqt3c102-mt (=3:3.3.3-7ubuntu3) but 3:3.3.4-3 is to be installed
[05:18] <Jemt> bob2, Oh, what I would refer to as an interface - i guess :)
[05:18] <bob2> dougsk: it would, since you'd configure gstreamer to use alsa and dmix
[05:18] <knowledge_> Depends: libxft-dev but it is not going to be installed
[05:18] <knowledge_> I can't figure this out
[05:18] <bob2> knowledge_: your sources.list is broken
[05:18] <bob2> knowledge_: paste it to /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:18] <knowledge_> bob2, Paste what?
[05:18] <HrdwrBoB> dougsk: technically gstreamer is a 'glue'
[05:18] <HrdwrBoB> dougsk: it doesn't do anything per se
[05:18] <HrdwrBoB> it just facilitates communication between components
[05:19] <bob2> knowledge_: er, your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[05:19] <Jemt> bob2: Still can't figure out how killing 'esd' solved my problem. Does the games communicate directly with the sound card ?
[05:19] <DonL> Wow. That's interesting. I didn't know how that worked
[05:19] <HrdwrBoB> Jemt: yes
[05:19] <dougsk> HrdwrBoB, ah well I thought er maybe not, I was assuming it well hmm, I think I need to read
[05:19] <bob2> Jemt: yes
[05:19] <HrdwrBoB> Jemt: esd had exclusive use of your soundcard
[05:19] <bob2> Jemt: and most cards don't let two programs do that, so if esd had it first...
[05:20] <HrdwrBoB> dougsk: think of gstreamer like the codec infrastructure in windows
[05:20] <Jemt> Ah, okay. Makes perfect sense. Thanks alot, guys :)
[05:20] <bob2> emu10k1-based cards are the only ones that don't do that under linux, afaik
[05:20] <dougsk> HrdwrBoB, thanks
[05:20] <JayParadise> is there anything wrong with having a short lease time like 10 minutes
[05:20] <bob2> I gather windows has some sort of mixer in the kernel?
[05:20] <knowledge_> pasted
[05:20] <knowledge_> bob2,
[05:20] <bob2> knowledge_: er
[05:21] <DonL> bob2, I put in a SB live card when I was having problems, and everything was fixed
[05:21] <bob2> knowledge_: that seems kinda obvious
[05:21] <jasmuz> guys im having problems making my pgp keys, i get an eof..gpg: no writable public keyring found: eof
[05:21] <jasmuz> Key generation failed: eof
[05:21] <bob2> knowledge_: now paste "apt-cache policy libqt3-mt-dev" to #flood
[05:21] <HrdwrBoB> dougsk: that's because the SB live driver you can have multiple connections to
[05:21] <HrdwrBoB> dougsk: which is why it's the best for use in linux
[05:21] <HrdwrBoB> JayParadise: why?
[05:22] <Jemt> bob2: Should I start 'esd' again if I want sound in Gnome again? I must have messed things up. I got no sound in Gnome now. A reboot might fix it though
[05:22] <knowledge_> bob2, pasted
[05:22] <HrdwrBoB> Jemt: that's right
[05:22] <DonL> I haven't thought about it for a long time because it's never given me grief
[05:22] <bob2> Jemt: yes
[05:22] <HrdwrBoB> start esd again you get sound
[05:22] <bob2> Jemt: no, no need to reboot
[05:22] <Jemt> k, thanks
[05:22] <Jemt> Oh ?
[05:23] <bob2> knowledge_: and what else used to be in your sources.list?
[05:23] <we> hey guys i need help untaring a file
[05:23] <hybrid_goth> hey bob2
[05:23] <we> tar: You must specify one of the `-Acdtrux' options
[05:23] <we> that my output
[05:23] <Jemt> BRB
[05:23] <bob2> we: you ran tar incorrectly
[05:23] <PrimoTurbo> Hey guys I have a problem, can someone please help me out?
[05:23] <bob2> we: tar -xf foo.tar
[05:24] <bob2> PrimoTurbo: you haven't asked a question yet...
[05:24] <bob2> hybrid_goth: hi
[05:24] <PrimoTurbo> I installed gperfection2 icon theme
[05:24] <bob2> knowledge_: you've screwd up apt by pointing it at incompatible apt sources
[05:24] <we> whats the diff between -xf and -xvf
[05:24] <PrimoTurbo> but there is an icon that didn't work for some reason, I know it is supposed to
[05:24] <knowledge_> hmmmm
[05:24] <PrimoTurbo> http://img325.imageshack.us/img325/2647/screenshot3ex.jpg
[05:24] <PrimoTurbo> take a look
[05:24] <PrimoTurbo> I circled the icon that's not working
[05:24] <bob2> we: man tar, verbosity
[05:25] <PrimoTurbo> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=2&id=22989&file1=22989-1.png&file2=22989-2.png&file3=&name=gperfection2+Icon+Theme
[05:25] <PrimoTurbo> that's the icon theme
[05:25] <PrimoTurbo> how can I fix that?
[05:25] <bob2> PrimoTurbo: try asking on the mailing list if no one here knows
[05:25] <PrimoTurbo> which mailing list?
[05:26] <bob2> http://lists.ubuntu.com/, ubuntu-users
[05:26] <ilba7r> on booting my pc it enables both eth0 and wlan0 which freezes my network connection. how can i only change it to only load wlan0 on booting the pc
[05:27] <dougsk> PrimoTurbo, I looked at the pic, it seems to do the same here for me.  what's broken?
[05:27] <bob2> ilba7r: edit /etc/network/interfaces, remove the "auto eth0" line
[05:27] <tha_gamemaster> i'm gettin libgcc1 error when trying to install transcode...
[05:27] <ilba7r> thanx bob2
[05:27] <bob2> tha_gamemaster: the packages are broken
[05:27] <PrimoTurbo> the icon is not the one used by the theme
[05:27] <PrimoTurbo> it's supposed to change it
[05:28] <PrimoTurbo> can I manually change it some how?
[05:28] <_Icebreaker_> does anybody know how to configure ubuntu to run with 2 monitor connected to a dualheaded nvidia video card
[05:28] <knowledge_> bob2, possible because I installed the Kubuntu packages as well?
[05:28] <Chris_Tucker> once you have apt-got vnc4server, whats the work to get it set up?
[05:28] <bob2> knowledge_: getting rid of the non-ubuntu sources and running "sudo apt-get update" might help
[05:28] <dougsk> PrimoTurbo, ah I see, hmm ,nah I dunno
[05:28] <we> thanx
[05:28] <PrimoTurbo> crap :(
[05:28] <bob2> knowledge_: then "sudo aptitude install libqt3c102-mt=3:3.3.3-7ubuntu3"
[05:28] <bob2> knowledge_: know, it'd be because of "backports" or the agnula stuff
[05:29] <bob2> _Icebreaker_: google didn't know anything?
[05:29] <ryan_> im trying to install the addon for firefox FlashGot, but the firefox website is saying something about the firefox version not being verified after an update
[05:29] <dougsk> ilba7r, ah great question -- I experienced that too -- I pulled the offending wireless card, bob2 thanks for the solution.  what's happening that causes that?
[05:29] <ryan_> is there anyway around it?
[05:30] <bob2> someone has to define what "freezes my network connection" means
[05:30] <tha_gamemaster1> yea so sorry irc timed out, so transcode problem...
[05:30] <bob2> tha_gamemaster: the packages are broken, they won't work
[05:30] <ryan_> bob2, im trying to install the addon for firefox FlashGot, but the firefox website is saying something about the firefox version not being verified after an update
[05:30] <bob2> dude
[05:30] <bob2> you already asked the channel
[05:31] <bob2> asking me just annoys me, I already saw it
[05:31] <tha_gamemaster1> bob2, oh ok thanks, i'll just install transcode by hand then, it's been broken since warty i think
[05:31] <Chris_Tucker> once you have apt-got vnc4server, whats the work to get it set up?
[05:31] <ryan_> people dont speek to you though unless you speek to someone specific bob2
[05:31] <bob2> ryan_: no, that's not how it works, sorry
[05:31] <bob2> you ask a question to the channel
[05:31] <dougsk> bob2, ah well it didn't actually freeze my connection -- rather it would just die, so I would just ifconfig eth0 blah blah route add blah blah and it worked again
[05:31] <bob2> perhaps fro mthere you have a conversation with someone in particular
[05:32] <PrimoTurbo> where are the default icons located?
[05:32] <bob2> dougsk: I guess they setup conflicting routes
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> thought someone might like to see this posting... http://lists.olin.edu/pipermail/ocp/2005-January/000196.html - was looking for help getting mythtv going
[05:32] <PrimoTurbo> does anyone know?
[05:32] <bob2> dougsk: I'd need to see the /etc/network/interfaces to give a definitive answer
[05:32] <sahara534> que programa puedo usar para tostar cds que no sea k3b
[05:32] <cafuego> !es
[05:32] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> cafuego, wow
[05:33] <dougsk> bob2, no worries I'll wait for networkmanager and see if it shows up again
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> ubotu is sweet bot
[05:33] <ubotu> nomasteryoda: I don't know
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[05:34] <bob2> hah, NM seems kinda rooted, tho
[05:34] <cafuego> !stupid bot
[05:34] <ubotu> stupid cafuego
[05:34] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[05:34] <sahara534> ok
[05:34] <knowledge_> bob2, I've reverted back to the original file that came with ubuntu and I"m still getting errors trying to install any sort of qt3-dev or libqt3-dev
[05:35] <file> 420 users woo
[05:35] <bob2> knowledge_: I can't see your screen
[05:35] <bob2> knowledge_: #flood
[05:35] <file> has anyone ever gotten MSReader to run through crossover office
[05:35] <DonL> time to go. see ya later
[05:35] <desrt> 421, actually :)
[05:35] <knowledge_> bob2, pasted
[05:35] <tha_gamemaster1> i love compiling from source... at least until something breaks...
[05:35] <desrt> oh.  crap.
[05:36] <bob2> knowledge_: and your /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:36] <Jemt> back
[05:37] <puff> Firefox seems really slow, and this is a much faste rmachine than my old machine... but I've never used firefox-on-linux before, is this firefox or ubuntu?
[05:37] <knowledge_> bob2, sent
[05:37] <aru> maybe your stopwatch is slow?
[05:37] <puff> Actually, I guess firefox isn'treally where the slowness is, more in switching between firefox and terminal.
[05:37] <bob2> knowledge_: and "apt-cache policy libqt3-dev"?
[05:37] <tha_gamemaster1> puff the more "pretty" the desktop is, the less performace you get out of your X environment
[05:37] <Jemt> puff: Firefox /is/ slow on Ubuntu. Think it is quite slow on Windows too though. Startup time and computer specification ?
[05:37] <bob2> not that you should be installing that at all
[05:37] <HrdwrBoB> puff: run free -m and past it to pastebin for me
[05:37] <dj28> puff: noticed the same thing on my laptop. firefox on ubuntu was noticably slower than it was on fedora and XP
[05:37] <puff> Seems to sort of hesitate...
[05:37] <tha_gamemaster1> puff try a less demanding window manager
[05:38] <HrdwrBoB> puff: if you're out of ram it'll be slow
[05:38] <bob2> does firefox on fedora use Pango?
[05:38] <thr1ce> man, firefox runs quick here
[05:38] <knowledge_> bob2, sent
[05:38] <dj28> not sure
[05:38] <thr1ce> i must be lucky
[05:38] <file> hmm found another program that can read .lit files, going to try to use it through crossover office
[05:38] <bob2> knowledge_: sudo dpkg -P --force-depends libqt3-dev ; sudo aptitude install libqt3-mt-dev
[05:38] <puff> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/832
[05:38] <dj28> i never figured out why it was slower.. but it certainly is
[05:38] <tha_gamemaster1> "depends on libz" anyone know what libz is ?
[05:39] <puff> I'm pretty sure I'm on metacity, the default.
[05:39] <thr1ce> tha_gamemaster, google will
[05:39] <cafuego> dj28: it's fater under Linux on my hardware.
[05:39] <bob2> tha_gamemaster1: zlib
[05:39] <tha_gamemaster1> bob2, thanks!
[05:39] <bob2> tha_gamemaster1: aka gzip librarie
[05:39] <knowledge_> bob2, didn't work...
[05:39] <bob2> tha_gamemaster1: zlib0g if you're looking for the runtime library package
[05:39] <bob2> knowledge_: ok
[05:39] <dj28> cafuego: odd. i dual booted fedora and ubuntu for a while before installing XP over fedora, and firefox is noticably slower on ubuntu for some reason. i'm able to replicate this on other machines too
[05:39] <Jemt> puff: Btw - Firefox always takes very long time to start after a reboot. But after one start, the following windows should start within a few seconds. Takes about 2-3 seconds on my computer (1.6 Ghz Pentium M, 512 MB DDR Ram)
[05:39] <bob2> knowledge_: it might be easier for you to reinstall then
[05:40] <puff> Hm,that reminds me, i have an extra 1GB dimm in it, unless i'm misreading /proc/.meminfo it's only seeing 1GB.
[05:40] <bob2> or maybe somsone else can walk you through unbreaking apt
[05:40] <puff> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/833
[05:40] <knowledge_> bob2, ubuntu
[05:40] <knowledge_> ?
[05:40] <bob2> puff: "uname -r" prints?
[05:40] <majic> why is firestarter blocking only google.com but nothing else? I've been trying to figure it out for 2 hours.
[05:40] <bob2> knowledge_: yes
[05:40] <cafuego> puff: 896MB ?
[05:40] <knowledge_> bob2, nahh...don't feel like losing all my settings....it's not that important
[05:40] <dbernar1> hey.
[05:40] <tha_gamemaster1> that amount of ram is because he's not using the SMP kernel
[05:40] <tha_gamemaster1> he has too much ram for stock kernel
[05:40] <bob2> knowledge_: you put it on hold?
[05:40] <bob2> tha_gamemaster1: no, it's not to do with SMP-ness
[05:41] <Chris_Tucker> how do i set up a vnc server to show me whats happening on the same display that my vid card is outputting?
[05:41] <puff> uname -r -> 2.6.10-5-386
[05:41] <cafuego> puff: install a -k7 or -686 kernel; tjhey will have HIGHMEM enabled.
[05:41] <bob2> puff: what cpu do you have?
[05:41] <tha_gamemaster1> bob2, all i know is if i don't use the smp kernel it only sees 800+ MB ram, not the full 1024
[05:41] <cafuego> tha_gamemaster1: That's got nothing to do with SMP.
[05:41] <bob2> tha_gamemaster1: linux-686 will see it, too, even without SMP
[05:42] <tha_gamemaster1> i know, smp is dual processors ,but HIMEM is built into that kernel, i don't use 686, i use the k7 kernel
[05:42] <puff> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/834
[05:42] <cafuego> tha_gamemaster1: The normal -k7 kernel *laso* has HIGHMEM enabled.
[05:42] <puff> Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 2.13GHz
[05:42] <bob2> puff: sudo aptitude install linux-686
[05:42] <majic> we got any firestarter guru's in here? My firewall settings are perfect with the exception that google for some reason is being blocked.
[05:42] <bob2> puff: reboot, enjoy!
[05:42] <tha_gamemaster1> cafuego, oh it didn't used to when i first installed warty, but thanks, i'm glad they fixed it now
[05:44] <mebaran151> is chatzilla an XUL app?
[05:44] <bob2> yes
[05:44] <tha_gamemaster> bob2, i'm still getting the libz error.. "configure: error: transcode depends on libz, but cannot links against libz"
[05:45] <dougsk> mebaran151, yes or javascript more or less  -- pretty effing amazing tbh
[05:45] <bob2> tha_gamemaster: because you don't have the correct headers
[05:45] <bob2> zlib0g-dev
[05:45] <mebaran151> dougsk: it does show
[05:45] <cafuego> tha_gamemaster1: if you only have a single CPU, the smp kernel is SLOWER.
[05:45] <mebaran151> in its lack of sophistication and simple design
[05:45] <tha_gamemaster> bob2, ah thanks! oh its zlib1g-dev now...
[05:45] <mebaran151> but it is also ghetto fabulous
[05:45] <cafuego> tha_gamemaster: Also, trancode comes precompiled.
[05:45] <mebaran151> bob2: X isnt broken in Hoary
[05:45] <Computer__Guru> Hai, fsckers!
[05:45] <mebaran151> my X started up ok
[05:46] <bob2> mebaran151: indeed
[05:46] <tha_gamemaster> cafuego, oh thanks, i'll fix that.... cafuego transcode is broken in ubuntu
[05:46] <bob2> in breezy it is for a lot of people
[05:46] <bob2> tha_gamemaster: no, transcode isn't in ubuntu
[05:46] <mebaran151> bob2: I found that sometimes apt doesnt fix everything
[05:46] <bob2> mebaran151: yes, apt will rarely fix anything
[05:46] <mebaran151> once I had to reinstall Ubuntu to make evolution work
[05:46] <bob2> mebaran151: I really really doubt that
[05:46] <cafuego> bob2: Yes, and if you tell them it's broken they all insist fixing it is fun and want to "upgrade" immediately.
[05:47] <bob2> haha
[05:47] <bob2> indeed
[05:47] <mebaran151> bob2: it takes me 20 minutes to do a clean install
[05:47] <bob2> mebaran151: breaking evolution as a user is pretty much impossible
[05:47] <dougsk> lmao --staying on hoary where I belong
[05:47] <bob2> mebaran151: that's awesome, but still unncceseary
[05:47] <cafuego> tha_gamemaster: There is a non-ubuntu repository with transcode in it.
[05:47] <mebaran151> bob2: it just kept segfaulting
[05:47] <bob2> mebaran151: and did you check if your disk was ok?  did it affect other users?
[05:47] <thr1ce> i hate evolution
[05:47] <Computer__Guru> apt usually fixes stuff for me
[05:47] <mebaran151> well I'm the only user on my own box
[05:47] <Computer__Guru> *shrug*
[05:47] <mebaran151> the disk was fine
[05:47] <cafuego> bob2: I've had evolution be broken quite a bit.
[05:48] <bob2> mebaran151: so, in future, make another user and see if affects them
[05:48] <bob2> cafuego: oh, sure, it's buggy as hell
[05:48] <mebaran151> it was new Western Digital 80 Gb
[05:48] <cafuego> bob2: It currently crashes reliable when I tried to modify a specific imap account.
[05:48] <tha_gamemaster> cafuego, i installed the "restricted" repositories, it's still broken.
[05:48] <bob2> but it usually seems to be problems with settings in your home dir
[05:48] <mebaran151> cafeugo, heh, my contat pane was broken
[05:48] <mebaran151> bob2: I DID try deleting all its references in my home directory
[05:48] <mebaran151> but I might not have hit them all
[05:48] <bob2> mebaran151: hence creating a test user
[05:48] <mebaran151> I doubt it was the home dir though
[05:49] <cafuego> bob2: yes, they emuilated MS quite well; it manages to be incompatible with its own prefs ;-)
[05:49] <Computer__Guru> mebaran151:  what program?
[05:49] <bob2> mebaran151: how could it possibly be anything else?
[05:49] <mebaran151> Evolution
[05:49] <bob2> mebaran151: your user doesn't have permission to modify files anywhere else
[05:49] <mebaran151> bob2: it segfaulted
[05:49] <Computer__Guru> rm -rf ~/.evolution ?
[05:49] <mebaran151> usually that is a bad library somewhere deep
[05:49] <bob2> mebaran151: yes, and it could segfault due to broken data in ~/
[05:49] <cafuego> tha_gamemaster: Do you have any slightly more elightening info than "it's broken" ?
[05:49] <Mobius> g'devening guys / gals - I have my asus laptop with an intel 2200 - can't seem to find the wireless network .. and i've got the router right here - works with windows.. any suggestions?
[05:49] <mebaran151> bob2: weird thing was that it was in bugzilla
[05:49] <bob2> mebaran151: and how would reinstalling (which would get you bit for bit identical packages) fix a "bad library"?
[05:49] <mebaran151> and they fixed it
[05:50] <ubunoo> dose anyone know why wget seems to download  rubish some sometime insteed of the file ( this link is like www.bla.com/bladir/bla.tar.gz
[05:50] <bob2> ubunoo: define "rubbish"
[05:50] <bob2> ubunoo: what does the "file" command say it is?
[05:50] <ubunoo> file comand?
[05:50] <thr1ce> are you on reiserfs ?
[05:50] <tha_gamemaster> cafuego, it depends on libgcc1 and it's basically a version mis-match
[05:50] <bob2> Mobius: best to explain how far along you are
[05:50] <bob2> ubunoo: "file foo.tar.gz"
[05:50] <ubunoo> im on ext3
[05:50] <ubunoo> ok
[05:50] <tha_gamemaster> cafuego, you want the exact error from synaptic? i'll paste it.
[05:50] <ubunoo> cool brb
[05:50] <cafuego> tha_gamemaster: So nothing a bit of --force-foo wouldn't fix?
[05:51] <Mobius> bob2 - been trying to find the network using iwconfig / iwlist - just set up the router last night and it works with my bros windows laptop
[05:51] <cafuego> tha_gamemaster: Not to the channel you won't!
[05:51] <ubunoo>  ASCII text
[05:51] <ubunoo> !
[05:51] <ubotu> ubunoo: I haven't a clue
[05:51] <tha_gamemaster> cafuego, where's the flood channel ?
[05:51] <thr1ce> #flood?
[05:51] <bob2> Mobius: so the module is loaded ok? iwconfig sees the card as a wireless card?
[05:51] <dougsk> ubunoo, I've noticed especially with media files where they get deeply redirected on internal servers that that can happen mostly text files as opposed to the vid or what not
[05:51] <thr1ce> the name throws you off, I know
[05:51] <mebaran151> and committed it to the repos
[05:51] <mebaran151> but even though apt installed it
[05:51] <mebaran151> the bug never did come out
[05:51] <ubunoo> bob2: man so its downloaded a text file?
[05:51] <Mobius> bob2 - yep
[05:52] <bob2> ubunoo: what was the exact url you tried to get?
[05:52] <bob2> Mobius: and "sudo iwlist scanning" doesn't show anything?
[05:52] <bob2> mebaran151: did you follow up to the bug report?
[05:52] <Mobius> no scan results bob2
[05:52] <deprave> hi bob
[05:53] <mebaran151> bob2: yeah
[05:53] <Jemt> Is it normal that the 'PowerNowD' changes my CPU frequency quite often? Almost everytime I load a program it boosts my CPU speed. Makes sense but I thought that I would boost the CPU speed if it had problems performing well
[05:53] <mebaran151> they said they fixed it
[05:53] <ubunoo> bob2: http://www.thunderstone.com/site/webinator/freeprod51/i686-unknown-linux2.4.9-64-32/webinator-5.1.tar.gz
[05:53] <cafuego> Jemt: yeah, it'll change all the time.
[05:53] <bob2> Jemt: no, it dynamically changes it based on load
[05:53] <deprave> hi bob
[05:53] <mebaran151> Jemt: that is the whole point ....
[05:53] <bob2> ubunoo: er, look at the file you downloaded
[05:53] <bob2> deprave: hi
[05:53] <mebaran151> bob is very popular tonigh
[05:53] <deprave> bobbyd: =D
[05:53] <mebaran151> :p
[05:54] <deprave> oops
[05:54] <Mobius> hey deprave =)
[05:54] <deprave> damn nick completor
[05:54] <Computer__Guru> what all processors support that powernow stuff?
[05:54] <ilba7r> thanx bob2 it seemed that the interfaces at /etc/network interfaces had both eth0 and wlan0 uploaded which was a problem as i have for both the same static ip address
[05:54] <ubunoo> bob2: y?
[05:54] <deprave> Mobius: =D
[05:54] <bob2> Jemt: "man powernowd" explains what the available modes are
[05:54] <ilba7r> thanx again removing one of them just did the trick
[05:54] <bob2> ubunoo: did you or not?
[05:54] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru: most
[05:54] <bob2> ilba7r: np
[05:54] <mebaran151> the AMD ones do
[05:54] <tha_gamemaster> BRB guys, switching kernels
[05:54] <Mobius> whats shakin' deprave?
[05:54] <Computer__Guru> mebaran151:  how would i check if my p4 does?
[05:54] <mebaran151> I think even the Petium 4 does throttling
[05:54] <bob2> Computer__Guru: all modern ones support something similar; powernowd's name is outdated
[05:54] <Computer__Guru> ah
[05:55] <Jemt> Thanks, bob2
[05:55] <deprave> Mobius: i'm extremely drunk. you?
[05:55] <Computer__Guru> that's kinda cool
[05:55] <Megahertz> Is it mandatory to have my phone number to order the cd's?
[05:55] <Mobius> deprave: fighting with wireless / lol
[05:55] <deprave> Mobius: fun
[05:57] <bob2> Megahertz: I think it's just so the delivery company can contact you if there's a problem
[05:57] <Mobius> lies.
[05:57] <deprave> haha
[05:57] <ubunoo> bob2: you mean try to open it in vim?
[05:57] <deprave> yeah.
[05:57] <bob2> ubunoo: dude, however you look at text files
[05:57] <kappadragon> what is a good channel to ask a lot of basic linux questions - mostly drivers for hardware in my comp
[05:57] <deprave> bob is there an avi plugin for ubuntu?
[05:57] <bob2> ubunoo: run cat on it for all I care
[05:57] <Computer__Guru> hahaha
[05:57] <Computer__Guru> This processor "Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.70GHz" is known _not_ to support power-saving.
[05:57] <Computer__Guru>  * Starting powernowd...
[05:57] <Computer__Guru>  * CPU frequency scaling not supported                                   [ ok ] 
[05:57] <elmagozizou> Hi...Is there a Download manager that alow dowloads recovery?
[05:57] <bob2> how would an OS have a plugin for a video container format?
[05:57] <Megahertz> bob2: So if my country code is like 011 and my province is like 905, Do i type in 011-905-123-5555 ?
[05:57] <deprave> bob2: i like pepsi.
[05:57] <bob2> if you mean "can any programs on Ubuntu play .avi movies?", then wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:57] <ubunoo> bob2: ahhhhhhhhh
[05:57] <Xenguy> elmagozizou: wget
[05:57] <paulproteus> wget -c !
[05:57] <ubunoo> bob2: oh mannnnn im a idoit
[05:57] <Computer__Guru> I think I'm going to watch a movie
[05:57] <elmagozizou> Xenguy, thnks...is it in grafic mode?
[05:57] <ubunoo> bob2: for some reason vim wouldn't open it say something about read only
[05:58] <bob2> ubunoo: vim should still have opened it
[05:58] <Xenguy> elmagozizou: dunno - I use it command-line
[05:59] <ubunoo> bob2: "webinator-5.1.tar.gz" 1L, 20C
[05:59] <ubunoo> Error detected while processing function <SNR>6_read:
[05:59] <ubunoo> line   32:
[05:59] <ubunoo> E484: Can't open file /tmp/v811086/1
[05:59] <ubunoo> Hit ENTER or type command to continue
[05:59] <bob2> vim was trying to open it as a .tzr.gz
[05:59] <bob2> and it's not even close to being a real .tzr.gz
[05:59] <ubunoo> ohhhhhhh
[05:59] <ubunoo> lol
[06:00] <ubunoo> what do you do to wget to say open as text?
[06:00] <bob2> vim -c"ft=text" foo.tar.gz, I'd guess
[06:00] <bob2> I wouldn't bother tho, it's a one-line text file
[06:00] <puff> Ah, much betteer, /proc/meminfo appears to see all of the memory now.
[06:00] <puff> So... my laptop seems to get fairly hot, and I can't really tell if the fan kicks on or not.
[06:01] <majic> is there an irc channel for firestarter?
[06:02] <geneo93> has anyone used mondo for back up to tape drive
[06:03] <puff> Given that hibernation seems flaky...
[06:03] <cs378> puff: when im running linux, fan rarely goes on, but on winXp, goes on once in 20 min
[06:03] <puff> cs378: Hm,well, maybe I'm just too paranoid.
[06:03] <bob2> puff: hibernation? really?
[06:03] <bob2> or do you mean suspend-to-ram?
[06:03] <bob2> suspend-to-disk should work everywhere
[06:04] <puff> bob2:  well, it seems to just not come back up.
[06:04] <bob2> puff: are you using any binary-only drivers?
[06:04] <puff> I hit fn-f4 to suspend-to-ram, close it up, open it up th enext day...
[06:04] <paulproteus> suspend to RAM is not hibernate.
[06:04] <puff> bob2: AFAIK I'm using vanilla ubuntu hoary, installed it a couple days ago.
[06:04] <bob2> that's not hibernate, that's suspend-to-ram
[06:04] <paulproteus> Suspend to disk is hibernate.
[06:04] <bob2> aka sleep
[06:05] <paulproteus> Like what I should be doing right now.
[06:05] <bob2> paulproteus: 'night
[06:05] <puff> paulproteus: Yeah, I'm using suspend-to-ram because somebody here told me suspend-to-disk is flaky... which should i use?
[06:05] <bob2> suspend-to-ram is highly machine-specific
[06:05] <puff> paulproteus: G'night.
[06:05] <bob2> puff: is your laptop on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryPMResults?
[06:05] <tha_gamemaster> cafuego, ok how do I force install of transcode, i tried using --force-yes still  gives me a dependency error.
[06:05] <puff> Lemme check.
[06:06] <bob2> force-all to get around the libgcc thing will break horribly
[06:06] <bob2> just rebuild the source package on your system
[06:06] <tha_gamemaster> bob2, that's what i was doing ^_^ at least i'm not alone in my thinking, i got transcode to compile right out of the box on os x
[06:07] <puff> t43p, not there... t2 is.
[06:07] <puff> Er, t42
[06:07] <puff> Guess it's a bit too bleeding-edge.
[06:07] <bob2> puff: I'd be pretty surprised if suspend-to-disk didn't work
[06:08] <bob2> have you tried it?
[06:08] <ivan_qk> hi
[06:08] <SymGeosis> I followed ubuntuguide.org to properly enable sound but now Totem can't play sound. It says that the sound card is in use. Any ideas on how to fix this?
[06:08] <thr1ce> SymGeosis, killall esd, then try
[06:08] <puff> bob2: Yeah, it does.
[06:08] <puff> sometimes.
[06:08] <SymGeosis> thr1ce, I tried that. =/
[06:09] <puff> Okay, so wht is the general rule of thumb, avoid suspend-to-ram and use suspend-to-disk?
[06:09] <thr1ce> SymGeosis, are you using xmms or anything?
[06:09] <SymGeosis> thr1ce, negative.
[06:09] <ivan_qk> whitch cvs client is better?
[06:09] <puff> are there any ways to speed up the boot up process?  it seemed to send a long time at the network stage.
[06:09] <bob2> puff: no, there is no general rule of thume
[06:10] <bob2> puff: both should work, if they don't, it's a bug.  I've not seen any laptops where suspend-to-disk didn't work, tho
[06:10] <bob2> unless people used binary drivers
[06:10] <puff> ivan_qk: Better for what?   I generally like the cvs command-line client, but I'll be the first to admit that graphical clients can make it a lot easier to see what has changed and needs committing.
[06:10] <bob2> puff: can you file a bug in bugzilla on the "linux" package?
[06:10] <SymGeosis> puff, you could create a custom kernel. That'd be the simplest way.
[06:10] <puff> bob2: Well, they work, but sometimes they don't seem to come back up.
[06:10] <bob2> SymGeosis: how would that help?
[06:10] <SymGeosis> puff, and possibly you could tweak your hard drives with hdparm.
[06:10] <bob2> puff: right, which counts as "doesn't work" ;)
[06:11] <cs378> what is better than Dev-C++?
[06:11] <ivan_qk> how i can install cvs for use it from console?
[06:11] <SymGeosis> bob2, smaller kernel == less boot time.
[06:11] <puff> bob2: Sure, but I'd like to maybe narrow down the circumstances before i file a bug.
[06:11] <bob2> ivan_qk: install the "cvs" package
[06:11] <ivan_qk> java is better than Dev C++
[06:11] <ubunoo> ?
[06:11] <ivan_qk> cvs, ok thanks
[06:11] <SymGeosis> bob2, I cut my load time nearly in half.
[06:11] <ivan_qk> im new on ubuntu
[06:11] <bob2> SymGeosis: you really think the time saved reading a 1.5MB kernel compared to a 1MB would help?
[06:11] <bob2> SymGeosis: was that a monolithic kernel?
[06:11] <hybrid_goth> is limewire trutly adware free?
[06:12] <SymGeosis> bob2, No. I originally had the default kernel and then I just went through and disabled everything that I didn't need.
[06:12] <puff> Y'know, the funny thing is, if you made a boot loader that almost immediately flashed a pretty, animated graphic on the screen, most people would feel like it loaded faster.
[06:12] <bob2> SymGeosis: e.g.?
[06:12] <RetroMan> hi everyone, how can I safely upgrade my kernel..?
[06:13] <kappadragon> is there a prog that will scan my hardware and install the proper drivers?
[06:13] <bob2> puff: in the works for the next version
[06:13] <puff> bob2: Hee... good.
[06:13] <puff> I'm liking most of what I've seen of ubuntu, so far.
[06:13] <SymGeosis> bob2, Just about everything. Too many to name.
[06:13] <bob2> kappadragon: yes, it's called "hotplug", and you already have it
[06:13] <bob2> SymGeosis: not compiling certain modules doesn't help with boot times at all
[06:13] <kappadragon> sry im bran new still learning the progs - ty for help
[06:13] <bob2> except if depmod runs
[06:13] <puff> bob2: You should just say "Yes, there is, i just installed it for you".
[06:13] <bob2> kappadragon: what isn't being detected?
[06:13] <SymGeosis> bob2, then I guess I'm lying. =(
[06:14] <SymGeosis>  /sarcasm.
[06:14] <kappadragon> my LAN card
[06:14] <bob2> SymGeosis: I'm wondering how you cut it in half, since dropping modules won't save time at all
[06:14] <bob2> kappadragon: is it PCI?
[06:14] <kappadragon> using wireless
[06:14] <RetroMan> do I upgrade my kernel simply by downloading a new linux-headers ?
[06:14] <kappadragon> yes integrated PCI
[06:14] <bob2> kappadragon: does linux support it at all?
[06:14] <puff> Well, I'm just trying to figure out how I could speed up the boot process.
[06:14] <thr1ce> RetroMan, no
[06:14] <bob2> RetroMan: no
[06:14] <thr1ce> RetroMan, don't do that at all actually
[06:14] <kappadragon> how do i tell?
[06:18] <RetroMan> ok
[06:18] <SymGeosis> bob2, some of it was compiled as part of the kernel instead of modules.
[06:18] <RetroMan> Im really scared... should I be?
[06:18] <bob2> RetroMan: why do you want to upgrade your kernel?
[06:18] <puff> bob2: I read about  a linux-based handheld device that had instant-on, from what I read/heard much of the trick was that it knew exactly what hardware to expect.
[06:18] <bob2> and to what?
[06:18] <puff> bob2: Somewhere in there, it was implied that a lot of the boot time is probing the hardware.
[06:18] <bob2> puff: right, that can take time
[06:18] <RetroMan> Im trying to use lufs, but it doesnt seem to work under my kernel (2.6.10)
[06:18] <bob2> but getting rid of modules you don't use won't cut that time down
[06:18] <bob2> RetroMan: "doesnt seem to work" = ?
[06:18] <thr1ce> sure, turn off hotplug...that'll turn get your time WAY down
[06:18] <Madpilot> !doesn't work
[06:18] <ubotu> I heard doesn't work is something you should never say.  Be more specific.
[06:18] <kappadragon> where can i find hotplug in the menus?
[06:18] <RetroMan> dmesg gives me: lufs: Unknown symbol kill_proc_info
[06:18] <puff> Is there any way I can figure out where the load time is being taken up, other than re-booting and timing different stages with a stopwatch?
[06:18] <SymGeosis> I think I may just have to go back to old esd instead of esd-alsa.
[06:18] <bob2> kappadragon: it ran at boot time
[06:18] <bob2> RetroMan: how did you instal the lufs modules?
[06:18] <bob2> kappadragon: does linux support your card at all?  that's what you need to find out first.
[06:18] <tommy|> so i have a quick question about sudo
[06:18] <tommy|> if i had a shell script, could i tell it to automatically give the sudo password?
[06:18] <kappadragon> bob2: how do i find out?
[06:18] <RetroMan> bob2 I used module-assistant build lufs, and module-assistant install lufs using the apt package lufs-source
[06:18] <bob2> tommy|: nope
[06:18] <tommy|> >_<
[06:18] <SymGeosis> bob2, I suppose some of that time may also have been influenced by hdparm though I did notice an incredible difference with my custom kernel.
[06:18] <tommy|> thanks anyways
[06:18] <puff> hm, alt-tab still feels jerky/laggy.
[06:18] <bob2> tommy|: you'd make it so the script didn't require the password at all
[06:18] <bob2> kappadragon: look on the box it came in, I suppose
[06:18] <bob2> or find someone to interpret the output of lspci
[06:18] <ubunoo> will this work in a comand line?
[06:18] <bob2> RetroMan: odd
[06:18] <kappadragon> it was part of my computer - integrated - so i suppose not
[06:18] <puff> Is there anything else i should generally be doing to improve this machine, with respect to packages, configuration, etc?
[06:18] <ubunoo> smb://192.168.0.1/linux
[06:19] <kappadragon> but my wireless card is integrated too
[06:19] <ubunoo> that?
[06:19] <RetroMan> bob2, some googles suggest that lufs simply doesnt work on my particular version of the kernel
[06:19] <redtech> im trying to install ubuntu on my wifes pc (athlon 2100) and I recieve the following error: Kernel Panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt | Anyone familiar with this?
[06:19] <bob2> ubunoo: nope
[06:19] <ubunoo> didn't think so
[06:19] <bob2> ubunoo: sudo mount -t smbfs -o ro //192.168.1.101/stuff /mnt/kazoo
[06:19] <bob2> that's how you mount them
[06:19] <bob2> redtech: make sure the cd burnt properly
[06:20] <redtech> ive used this very cd to install on the laptop that Im chatting with now...
[06:20] <redtech> ill burn another copy though if you think that may be the issue
[06:20] <ubunoo> bob2: would this work ubunoo: sudo mount -t smbfs -o ro //192.168.1.101/   /mnt/kazoo
[06:21] <ubunoo> not specifying a folder that is
[06:21] <bob2> redtech: no, burning again isn't useful, check if the one you have is ok or not
[06:21] <bob2> ubunoo: er, surely your share has a name?
[06:21] <ubunoo> bob2: yeah i was just wondering if that would show all the shares on that machine
[06:21] <ubunoo> if i did that
[06:21] <ricosuave17> how do i setup up framebuffer plz
[06:22] <bob2> ubunoo: nope
[06:22] <bob2> ricosuave17: you don't
[06:22] <ricosuave17> i mean enable then
[06:22] <bob2> ricosuave17: you still don't.
[06:22] <The_Vox> ubotu: smbclient -L ip.of.remotecomputer will give you all the shares it has
[06:22] <ubotu> The_Vox: I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about
[06:22] <bob2> ricosuave17: explain what you're trying to do
[06:22] <ricosuave17> i wanna watch video on console
[06:22] <ricosuave17> like real terminal mode
[06:22] <bob2> ricosuave17: why?
[06:22] <ubunoo> bob2: is there any why I can see what shares are avalible? with out usin natalis
[06:22] <ricosuave17> and use links
[06:22] <bob2> ubunoo: yes, The_Vox explained how
[06:22] <bob2> ricosuave17: why don't you want to use X?
[06:23] <ubunoo> oh
[06:23] <bob2> kappadragon: paste the output of "lspci" to #flood
[06:23] <ricosuave17> just cause. how can i do it plz
[06:23] <drcode> hi all
[06:23] <drcode> whats up
[06:23] <ubunoo> The_Vox: chears
[06:23] <ubunoo> thank you
[06:23] <bob2> ricosuave17: just use X
[06:23] <RetroMan> bob2, could I download a newer kernel via apt, use module-assistant to build lufs alongside of that, while never actually changing my actual kernel usage?
[06:23] <drcode> any one know nice emulator for psx2 ?
[06:23] <tommy|> i should make a useful shellscript as a practice >_>
[06:23] <ricosuave17> i dont want to use x
[06:23] <puff> bob2: hm, not sure where the linux package is in bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[06:24] <drcode> that work in linux?
[06:24] <bob2> ricosuave17: why?
[06:24] <ricosuave17> because i like to experiment in real terminal. will you plz help me
[06:24] <bob2> read the kernel framebuffer documentation
[06:24] <RetroMan> ricosuave, you cant watch a video in a terminal
[06:25] <The_Vox> RetroMan: actually, you can, tho it doesn't look too well :)
[06:25] <bob2> ricosuave17: install linux-doc-2.6
[06:25] <RetroMan> oh .. :)
[06:25] <bob2> RetroMan: no, you'd need to use the kernel the modules were build tofr
[06:25] <The_Vox> RetroMan: you just use the aa video codec, as long as you have framebuffer working
[06:26] <ricosuave17> i have a problem with gnome-terminal it wont let me use the letter n
[06:27] <paulproteus> ricosuave17: What happens when you do use N?
[06:27] <paulproteus> Does it ignore it?  Make a new window open?
[06:27] <ricosuave17> it doesnt detect the letter n
[06:27] <paulproteus> Eject your CD-ROM drive?  Kill your parents?  Pop the cap of the 'n' off your keyboard?
[06:27] <paulproteus> Oh, just ignoring it.  Okay.
[06:28] <Jemt> I haft to go. Thanks for all your help, guys
[06:28] <ricosuave17> ok i installed the doc how do i use them now?>
[06:29] <redtech> bob2, it was the memory..  thanks
[06:30] <ricosuave17> bob2: how do i use the docs
[06:33] <ricosuave17> bob2: will u help me plz
[06:33] <puff> bob2: Ah, found the linux package, bug filed.
[06:34] <thr1ce> ricosuave17, a doc?  start by reading it...
[06:34] <tha_gm> bob2, is all kinds of crazy-busy
[06:34] <ricosuave17> well i mean were is the section about frame buffer
[06:34] <ricosuave17> why wont u just tell me
[06:35] <_icebreaker_> what package do i need to extract rar archives with ther archiv manager?
[06:35] <thr1ce> ricosuave17, it's linux, not everything is handed to you
[06:35] <thr1ce> and honestly, I don't know; either I look for it, or you do
[06:35] <ricosuave17> well u could just tell me what to do
[06:36] <bob2> ricosuave17: for god's sake, dude
[06:36] <ricosuave17> what dude
[06:36] <bob2> ricosuave17: /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-<tab>
[06:36] <tha_gm> i'm learning tons of stuff! i think i'm figuring out compiling errors...
[06:36] <bob2> you need to have some small amount of initiaive yourself
[06:37] <nomasteryoda> bob2, well said
[06:37] <tha_gm> here here bob2 !
[06:38] <ricosuave17> i need to recompile my kernel?
[06:38] <tha_gm> bob2, is my hero, I just impressed myself...
[06:39] <bob2> ricosuave17: of course not
[06:39] <bob2> ricosuave17: did you read the frame buffer documentation yet?
[06:39] <ricosuave17> were is it?
[06:39] <bob2> dude
[06:39] <bob2> come on
[06:39] <tha_gm> ricosuave17: /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-<tab>
[06:40] <ricosuave17> what do i use to read it with what program
[06:40] <paulproteus> ricosuave17: It's text files.
[06:40] <Christophe971> wow so much people here
[06:40] <Christophe971> plop
[06:40] <puff> Hm, is there a faster browser than firefox? This is excruciating.
[06:40] <paulproteus> You can use gedit or vim or less or nano or emacs or kedit or ....
[06:40] <paulproteus> puff: You should probably look into the IPv6 problem and solution if you think Firefox is slow.
[06:40] <Christophe971> puff: try Opera
[06:40] <puff> paulproteus: Hm?
[06:40] <puff> I'm on a machine that's ridiculously more powerful than my old win2k laptop and it's slow.
[06:41] <tha_gm> bob2, ok, i sucessfully compiled and installed transcode with no errors, so now how do i get past it in the dependencies of apt?
[06:41] <puff> I refuse to believe that windows is faster than linux :-).
[06:41] <tha_gm> bob2, btw i'm trying to install dvdrip
[06:41] <paulproteus> You can use gedit or vim or less or nano or emacs or kedit or ....
[06:41] <paulproteus> puff: You should probably look into the IPv6 problem and solution if you think Firefox is slow.
[06:41] <tha_gm> puff, i refuse to b believe that as well
[06:41] <paulproteus> Sorry, that's what I meant to re-say.
[06:41] <bob2> tha_gm: er, you didn't use the ubuntu source package?
[06:42] <paulproteus> puff: If your DNS servers suck, Firefox will be crazy slow.
[06:42] <paulproteus> It will try to request IPv6 addresses, wait FOR FREAKING EVER for no answer, and then fall back to IPv4.
[06:42] <tha_gm> bob2, there's a source-package ? i just did it the tarball way
[06:42] <paulproteus> (Do you know what IPv6 is, puff?)
[06:42] <bob2> no, not like that
[06:42] <bob2> nevermind
[06:43] <bob2> just install equivs and make a fake transcode package
[06:43] <puff> No candidate version found for opera
[06:43] <bob2> oper's of course not in ubuntu
[06:43] <paulproteus> Do you know what IPv6 is, puff?
[06:43] <jernau> q: where are the conf files responsible for default terminal profiles and such?
[06:43] <tha_gm> bob2, how do i make a fake transcode package? compile it as a .deb ?
[06:43] <bob2> puff: have you trid disabling ipv6 yet?
[06:43] <bob2> tha_gm: no, 14:43:09 @         bob2 | just install equivs and make a fake transcode package
[06:44] <bob2> apt-cache show equivs
[06:44] <puff> paulproteus: it's more that it's slow in interacting with web forms, not in loading/rendering pages.
[06:44] <puff> I know what IPv6 is, yeah, not sure where i'd disable it, /etc/network?
[06:44] <paulproteus> puff: "interacting with" them?  What do you mean?
[06:44] <paulproteus> puff: There's instructions on wiki.ubuntu.com; use its search capacity.
[06:45] <puff> paulproteus:  clicking on the submit button.  Using tab to move the focus from one button to the next.
[06:45] <paulproteus> puff: Oh, I see.
[06:45] <ricosuave17> ok im so lost even trying to read the file. whats the name of the framebuffer file its no were to be found
[06:45] <paulproteus> Yeah, that's a GTK suckage problem, mostly.
[06:45] <paulproteus> Try Konqueror instead.
[06:45] <Christophe971> god damned
[06:46] <paulproteus> You could try one of the GTK themes that renders its widgets using Qt.  Those are often faster than usual GTK rendering.
[06:46] <paulproteus> That's because GTK sucks.
[06:46] <drcode> if I Have tar.gz
[06:46] <drcode> I can compile it in ubuntu
[06:46] <tha_gm> bob2, i hate to repeat myself and make you repeat yourself but i don't undstand "fake transcode package"
[06:47] <tha_gm> bob2, i'm already installing all the dependencies
[06:47] <bob2> tha_gm: apt-cache show equivs
[06:47] <bob2> tha_gm: make an empty package which does nothing but provide transgaming
[06:47] <dr_willis> Hmm. anyone recall where ya can find the source code to 'ls' at?
[06:47] <bob2> you isntall transcode to some random directory, somewhere, and apt has no idea about it
[06:47] <bob2> dr_willis: coreutils
[06:48] <ricosuave17> whats the name of the framebuffer doc
[06:48] <grey-area> q; where are the conf files responsible for terminal profiles and such?
[06:48] <tha_gm> bob2, how do i make an empty package... for transcode not transgaming
[06:48] <paulproteus> Okay, sleepytime everyone.
[06:48] <tha_gm> nite paulproteus
[06:49] <Christophe971> it's only 00:49
[06:49] <Christophe971> the night begins
[06:49] <Christophe971> (or "batnights begins" if you prefer)
[06:50] <ricosuave17> why in god names are the doc compressed
[06:50] <bob2> tha_gm: apt-cache show equivs
[06:50] <puff> hm, typo in the entry for disabling ipv6 in firefox.
[06:50] <tha_gm> bob2, ok
[06:50] <bob2> ricosuave17: to save space, duh
[06:50] <Christophe971> :)
[06:50] <concept10> K3B is probably the only KDE application that I use on my GNOME desktop.  Is there anyway to change the font of this QT application to match gnome?
[06:50] <puff> In any event, it's disabled now, still slow.
[06:50] <ricosuave17> grrr. but it wont let me extract to that dir
[06:50] <bob2> ricosuave17: use a less terrible editor and they willd display fine
[06:50] <bob2> ricosuave17: then don't extract them
[06:50] <bob2> ricosuave17: zless foo.gz
[06:51] <puff> Slow as in:  move pointer over "submit" button, click, a half-second later the submit button depresses.
[06:51] <tha_gm> bob2, i get it! thanks!
[06:51] <puff> Maybe it's just metacity... what's a recommended fast/light WM?
[06:52] <bob2> how would metacity affect that?
[06:52] <Razul> how do you install party poker in ubuntu?
[06:52] <Christophe971> bob2=superman: he can answer 3 person at the same time :)
[06:52] <bob2> Razul: and party poker = some random windows poker game?
[06:52] <Razul> yes
[06:52] <vinux> wow it's great to be back on ubuntu! I tried out Freebsd and boy it made me miss ubuntu even more. I don't know why people insist on wasting thier time configuring stuff they don't need too
[06:52] <bob2> you probably can't
[06:52] <bob2> it might work under wine
[06:52] <Razul> damn
[06:53] <Razul> under wine
[06:53] <Razul> any idea how to install?
[06:53] <bob2> sure, install the wine package
[06:53] <Razul> well i have wine-ui installed i think that is it
[06:53] <bob2> no, it's not
[06:53] <Razul> do i need to install just wine?
[06:58] <puff> bob2: Somebody here said perceived slowness might be due to the window manager.
[06:58] <Razul> when wine installs do i just download the partypoker.exe?   If so how do i run it?
[06:59] <eli_> anyone know the link to winmac sh file?
[06:59] <eli_> lost the link =S
[06:59] <bob2> Razul: wine whatever.exe
[07:00] <Razul> k
[07:02] <puff> What the hell:  sudo apt-cache search opera | wc -> 864
[07:03] <ryan_> how do i force kill an app?
[07:04] <bob2> no need to use sudo on apt-cache
[07:04] <bob2> and it seems reasonable for packages to use the string "opera" in their descriptions
[07:04] <eli_> ryan, did you open it in a terminal?
[07:04] <eli_> the application
[07:04] <ryan_> no eli
[07:04] <puff> bob2: Yah, but "apt-get install opera" can't find a candidate.
[07:04] <ryan_> its an app
[07:04] <ryan_> an installer thats frozen
[07:04] <bob2> puff: of course, opera the browser isn't in ubuntu
[07:05] <bob2> puff: no one but the opera company are allowed to distrubiute it; if you'd like that to change you can ask them to change the license
[07:05] <bob2> or go download the ad-nfested .deb from opera.com yourself
[07:05] <puff> Ah, I see.
[07:05] <puff> Sorry, I wasn't aware opera is commercial.
[07:05] <drcode> hi all
[07:05] <drcode> when I try to ./configure
[07:05] <drcode> I get configure: No such file or directory
[07:05] <eli_> ryan_, my best guess would be to go to system tools and open system monitor -> you can shut it down that way
[07:05] <eli_> any suggestions anyone?
[07:06] <drcode> what I Need to install so I can compile
[07:06] <bob2> drcode: er
[07:06] <bob2> drcode: that means that file doesn't exist
[07:09] <bob2> presumably you're in the wrong directory
[07:09] <ryan_> thanks eli_
[07:09] <drcode> bob:I need to install somthing ?
[07:09] <kalias> Hi!  I have a networking question.
[07:09] <bob2> drcode: no, you need to run that command in the actual source tree
[07:09] <bob2> you're in the wrong place
[07:09] <eli_> ryan_, happy to help =)
[07:09] <kalias> How do I get the name of my ubuntu machine to appear next to the ip address in my router?
[07:09] <ewew> has anyone ever installed hydrogen?
[07:09] <drcode> k
[07:09] <drcode> thanx
[07:09] <kalias> Any network gurus out there?
[07:09] <bob2> that's not a network guru question
[07:09] <kalias> :)
[07:09] <_icebreaker_> i'm looking for howto's for winex compiling and configuring
[07:09] <bob2> _icebreaker_: #cedega
[07:09] <ryan_> eli whats the terminal command to kill a an app that frozen
[07:10] <kalias> How do I get the name of my ubuntu machine to appear next to the ip address in my router?
[07:10] <bob2> repeating is annoying
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[07:10] <bob2> I'm already finding the option for you
[07:10] <kalias> oh, sorry.
[07:10] <eli_> at the same time
[07:10] <_icebreaker_> bob2, thx
[07:10] <bob2> kalias: edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[07:10] <bob2> kalias: the "send hostname" option is what yo uwant, I assume
[07:10] <dr_willis> Hmm. Is there any console framebuffer support in the standard ubuntu kernel? or was it considered  too flakey?
[07:10] <ricosuave17> i want framebuffer
[07:11] <kalias> yes, I think so.   I will give it a try.
[07:11] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, whats up?  I now have 5.04 on this box
[07:11] <bob2> ricosuave17: then read the documentation, instead of annoying people here
[07:11] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: hey
[07:11] <ricosuave17> i did
[07:11] <ricosuave17> but i dont understand
[07:11] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: nice job :)
[07:11] <turkuaz> has X been fized yet?
[07:11] <bob2> no
[07:11] <turkuaz> **fixed
[07:12] <Amaranth> I've converted a Gentoo user to Ubuntu, bow before me! ;)
[07:12] <bob2> ricosuave17: perhaps you should just use X for now then
[07:12] <turkuaz> any idea when?
[07:12] <ricosuave17> why
[07:12] <Amaranth> turkuaz: next month
[07:12] <Amaranth> ;)
[07:12] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, yeah well actually I am a Debian user who was playing around with Gentoo ;)
[07:12] <turkuaz> u serious, its important for the Translation team..
[07:12] <Amaranth> (that's tomorrow and might actually be today in some timezones)
[07:12] <eli_> anyone know the link to winmac sh file? its an sh file that automatically recognizes other partitions and mounts them
[07:12] <bob2> ricosuave17: because it seems that setuping up the framebuffer is too hard for you
[07:12] <bob2> ricosuave17: and you have no compelling reason to do so
[07:13] <Amaranth> turkuaz: i'd expect it to generally be broken until after feature freeze
[07:13] <eli_> Severas wrote it, but i lost the link =S
[07:13] <ricosuave17> well the other day i killed X
[07:13] <ricosuave17> and i almost couldnt get it up again
[07:13] <turkuaz> Amaranth, thx
[07:13] <dr_willis> Hmm.. ricosuave17  that sould of been a trivial thing.
[07:13] <ricosuave17> what do you mean
[07:13] <Razul> ok i ran it "wine PartyPokerSetup.exe"  looks like it is going to install but then hangs says 137 error
[07:14] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, I know this isn't the right channel but are the seperators suppossed to show on a stock Ubuntu 5.04?
[07:14] <Amaranth> turkuaz: it's fixable if you do some hackery but then no one will be available to test it when it supposedly gets fixed
[07:14] <concept10> !ntfs
[07:14] <ubotu> rumour has it, ntfs is the filesystem used under Windows XP. The Ubuntu installer can safely resize an NTFS partition to create a new partition for you to install Ubuntu. http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[07:14] <ivan_qk> sup
[07:14] <concept10> eli_, there you go
[07:14] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: GNOME 2.10 doesn't support separators or reordering
[07:14] <ivan_qk> hey how i can download amsn from cvs?
[07:14] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, alright gotcha
[07:14] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: You only get those on GNOME 2.11.x and KDE. :)
[07:14] <ivan_qk> i already installed cvs
[07:15] <bob2> ricosuave17: I mean, just use X, there's no reason to spend hours setting up console framebuffers
[07:15] <ricosuave17> well i mean i get bored of doing the same thing. besides X looks horrible
[07:15] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: I had so many bug reports because of that...
[07:15] <bob2> ricosuave17: how on earth could X look horrible?
[07:15] <dr_willis> Hmm...
[07:15] <bob2> ricosuave17: X doesn't look like anything
[07:15] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: before i disabled it on 2.10, i mean
[07:16] <bob2> it just displays things for other programs
[07:16] <eli_> thanks people for the link to winmac :)
[07:16] <vinux> I love X
[07:16] <dr_willis> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO.html
[07:16] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, hehe
[07:16] <ricosuave17> i mean Win XP and MAc os X all look like heaven and X is like hell
[07:16] <bob2> ricosuave17: so, you don't mean "X", you mean "gnome", right
[07:16] <eli_> particulary concept10, thanks
[07:16] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: http://www.realistanew.com/desktop2.png looks better than anything Windows has shown me :)
[07:16] <bob2> ricosuave17: please be more careful about your jargon when insulting things
[07:16] <dr_willis> ricosuave17,  you dont really know enough about it to be making such statements. :P
[07:16] <ricosuave17> yes i am sorry but im sure Y will look nice
[07:17] <Amaranth> Y will never release
[07:17] <bob2> ricosuave17: no, youre still confused
[07:17] <Amaranth> Y isn't even needed
[07:17] <ricosuave17> nop windows still looks nicer then that pic
[07:17] <kalias> next question, How do I restart dhcp?
[07:17] <bob2> ricosuave17: X is a graphic driver, more or less
[07:17] <bob2> ricosuave17: you can't "see" X at all
[07:17] <ricosuave17> alright im sorry
[07:17] <Amaranth> X dictates mechanism, not policy
[07:17] <Amaranth> it doesn't "look" like anything
[07:17] <bob2> ricosuave17: if you mean "I don't like the look of GNOME's default theme", then say so
[07:17] <bob2> instead of just making confused rants
[07:17] <tvon> Anyone running breezy and missing items under /dev/ that are usually there?
[07:17] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: You think Windows looks better than that? You'd probably like KDE than.
[07:17] <Amaranth> err, then
[07:18] <ricosuave17> well i mean i ahve tried ICE and Gnome and KDe and Window Maker XFCE and a bunch more and none are nice
[07:18] <dr_willis> ricosuave17,  how nice and vague
[07:18] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, well i have a project tomorrow.  setting up a radius server for my wi-fi but I haven't quite figured out wireless in Ubuntu yet.  Everything is configured and I connect with AES/CCMP but i have to use dhclient manually because when I tell wlan0 in the config file to use dhcp it doesn't wotk.  I'll look into it later, I am sure it's something simple
[07:18] <Gatton> ricosuave17, then just theme your Ubuntu to look like Windows or OS X
[07:18] <bob2> ricosuave17: then write your own
[07:18] <vinux> I Changed my gnome around deleting the original two panels and making my own. Looks nice and customized
[07:18] <zenrox> ricosuave17,  then you havent found the right theme for you
[07:18] <Amaranth> !wifi
[07:18] <ubotu> it has been said that wifi is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[07:18] <bob2> ricosuave17: or produce your own theme that you like
[07:18] <kalias> nickrud: Hi! How are you?
[07:19] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: ubotu knows much :)
[07:19] <ricosuave17> i did try the XP theme on gnome
[07:19] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: ick
[07:19] <ricosuave17> its decent but still not that nice
[07:19] <eli_> smart guy he is, ubotu
[07:19] <eli_> how are you ubotu?
[07:19] <ricosuave17> the mac os x was very bad
[07:19] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: default XP theme looks like a toy
[07:19] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: and brushed metal looks like junk too
[07:19] <Amaranth> :P
[07:19] <ricosuave17> no i downloaded another XP
[07:19] <eli_> ubotu
[07:19] <eli_> yes very smart
[07:20] <dr_willis> best theme - is minimal themes :P
[07:20] <dr_willis> lol
[07:20] <concept10> Anyone know how to modify QT/KDE settings while using GNOME?
[07:20] <ricosuave17> the truth i have seen nice linux pics but i dont how to make mine nice
[07:20] <Gatton> Amaranth, hehe agreed. I love my emac but I had to download that demetallifizer utility to strip the brushed metal look off. Way overused
[07:20] <eli_> is there a brushed metal theme for gnome?
[07:20] <eli_> just curious
[07:20] <zenrox> eli_, yes
[07:20] <geneo93> best theme is green on black
[07:20] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, also i am looking at upgrading my pentium m 1.7 to a 2.1 in the next few months
[07:20] <Amaranth> yeah, but they're worse than the real thing
[07:20] <vinux> dr_willis, yes I'm with ya on that
[07:20] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: I hate you. :)
[07:21] <eli_> zenrox, where could i find it =)
[07:21] <ricosuave17> are you people again Y
[07:21] <zenrox> gnome-look.org??
[07:21] <eli_> SquareGuy, you should put a pentium m chip in there
[07:21] <ricosuave17> bad website bad
[07:21] <eli_> then tweak it
[07:21] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: I'm against cracktastic things that aren't needed and will never release, yes.
[07:21] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, nah you don't I am gonna find some hardware for ya
[07:21] <eli_> and is faster than the best pentium 4 chip
[07:23] <Gatton> Heck this is the first time I've heard of Y. I'm pretty happy with xorg so far
[07:23] <vinux> dr_willis, I got no icons on my desktop just in the panel that is that's on auto hide hehe. Nice big background picture :)
[07:23] <ricosuave17> whats wrong with Y
[07:23] <SquareGuy> eli_, it is a pentium m
[07:23] <ubunoo> bob2: um are you shure you gave me that smb comand line right?
[07:23] <Gatton> vinux, you got a lady on your wallpaper or something you don't want obscured? ;)
[07:23] <eli_> oh, well... (outspoken eli is) never mind
[07:23] <Razul> alright i give up on poker lol...
[07:23] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: What I just said. :P
[07:23] <ubunoo> it says:mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on
[07:23] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: Do you like http://gnome-look.org/content/pre2/19075-2.jpg ?
[07:23] <bob2> ubunoo: perhaps you didn't install smbfs yet
[07:23] <bob2> ubunoo: or dont' have kernel support for it
[07:23] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, need a turtle beach santa cruz sound card?
[07:23] <ubunoo> lol
[07:23] <ubunoo> sorry
[07:23] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: ooh
[07:23] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: i can use anything given to me, i've got integrated everything but video :)
[07:23] <ricosuave17> Amaranth: it looks ok but not spectacular. what do u mean by cracktastic
[07:23] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: and newer integrated video systems beat my card
[07:23] <ubunoo> bob2: yeah i keep forgetting cause i was using shares in gnome
[07:23] <ubunoo> but i need smb tools ay
[07:23] <ubunoo> thanks for all your help ay
[07:23] <ubunoo> :)
[07:24] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, hehe yeah i know that card very well.  It will run OpenGL screensavers though
[07:24] <ryan_> once someone has installed eciadsl, how do they configure it to detect the modem?
[07:24] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: barely
[07:24] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, I will find out some info on that 9000 pro soon
[07:24] <vinux> Gatton, hehe nah just a picture of the mountians
[07:24] <Amaranth> ryan_: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure eciadsl
[07:24] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: cracktastic means worthless, more or less
[07:25] <ryan_> Amaranth, thanks bud
[07:25] <live2> Hello, I just installed ubuntu (hoary) on another computer, and the networking is not working. When I try to give the root password for the graphical networking tools, it will not accept it.
[07:25] <Gatton> vinux, same here. Nice b&w lake/mountain shot
[07:25] <eli_> where's a good place to get gtk themes?
[07:25] <eli_> other than gnome-look.org
[07:25] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: cracktastic(adj) - the complete opposite of fantastic
[07:26] <eli_> and art.gnome.org
[07:26] <Amaranth> eli_: those are the only two
[07:26] <concept10> live2, try your user password
[07:26] <eli_> ....
[07:26] <eli_> ok
[07:26] <ricosuave17> well im sure Y is a great idea
[07:26] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: Something that defines look has to continually be updated.
[07:26] <Gatton> ricosuave17, you seem awfully hung up on it :)
[07:26] <live2> That doesnt seem to work either.
[07:26] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: The X protocol hasn't changed in well over a decade.
[07:26] <ricosuave17> thats why
[07:26] <ricosuave17> casue X is old
[07:26] <pax> umm what happened to nvu, is it gone from the repos?
[07:27] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: But our desktops look a _lot_ different than 10 years ago.
[07:27] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: Drop replace what works.
[07:27] <Amaranth> err, Don't
[07:27] <ricosuave17> but after lornhorn windows comes out linux will be dead
[07:27] <reka> hehe
[07:27] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: hahah
[07:27] <Gatton> ricosuave17, I knew it! You are on the Microsoft payroll ;-)
[07:27] <ricosuave17> lol
[07:27] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: Windows Vista - the thud heard round the world
[07:28] <Gatton> ricosuave17, no you can't be. Cuz you didn't say Vista ;)
[07:28] <concept10> pax, its in breezy but you want to look for the recently 1.0 version
[07:28] <Amaranth> Gatton: Actually, Microsoft does hire people to troll
[07:28] <dr_willis> it will be the biggest thing since.... spam!
[07:28] <Amaranth> hey davey
[07:28] <pax> concept10: good to know, thanks.
[07:28] <ricosuave17> but u see the problem is linux at least the WM's and arent animated and dont have pretty color
[07:28] <geneo93> after xp i dont think so
[07:28] <ricosuave17> and nice lights and stuff
[07:28] <Gatton> Amaranth, I've heard that. Pretty shady. Unless they wanna give me a bag of cash. Then I'll say Linux is the sux0r ;-)
[07:29] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: I see, you're an "ooh, shiny" kind of guy.
[07:29] <Davey> Hey Amaranth  :)
[07:29] <DekaPink> http://www.fameg.com.br/page.php?cod_pagina=149 <- Famelix looks like something I could get my friends to use if it was English. xD
[07:29] <Davey> Amaranth, Ubuntu hates me :(
[07:29] <ricosuave17> yeap yeap
[07:29] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: I like it better when things work. :)
[07:29] <ricosuave17> well if it shines and works isnt that better
[07:29] <dr_willis> I also perfer tools that actually work - vs shiny ones that dont.
[07:29] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: I'd rather have it work first, then add the shine.
[07:29] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: Which is what we're doing if you look at the developers.
[07:29] <dr_willis> circular logic - gotta love it.
[07:29] <ricosuave17> other way around is nice
[07:30] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: Other way around is Windows ME.
[07:30] <skalpel> how do i install quicktime?
[07:30] <pax> only in #ubuntu can a troll get attention. attention for human beings! :D
[07:30] <dr_willis> :)
[07:30] <dr_willis> pax,  yep
[07:30] <Amaranth> Davey: What'd you break this time?
[07:30] <necrogami> Dr_willis OMFG you said it all!!!! i like tools that work vs shinyones that dont
[07:30] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, WinME is Satan's spawn
[07:30] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: *ding* We have a winner! :)
[07:31] <zenrox> lol
[07:31] <Amaranth> I'd rather use Windows 3.1 than Windows ME. :)
[07:31] <dr_willis> of course I am trying to figure out why i cant enable dma on my new laptops hard drive.. I think its a chipset issue.
[07:31] <Amaranth> Although XP isn't that bad if you turn some things off and have a firewall.
[07:31] <zenrox> win3.11 = best win os ever
[07:31] <dr_willis> you can enable dma on sata drives cant you?
[07:31] <Amaranth> dr_willis: It's already on.
[07:31] <zenrox> yep
[07:31] <pax> if the mobo allows you
[07:31] <Amaranth> dr_willis: Just not at a level hdparm can understand.
[07:31] <ricosuave17> i do agree on that statemne
[07:31] <dr_willis> Amaranth,  well hdparm  dosent say its on. :P  heh ok.
[07:32] <zenrox> ricosuave17,  the win3.11
[07:32] <zenrox> lol
[07:32] <dr_willis> Amaranth,  but i dont think the laptop is useing sata :P
[07:32] <Amaranth> dr_willis: This is what crimsun says, anyway.
[07:32] <reka> skalpel: there's no quicktime port for linux....install w32codecs for totem, or use a media player with it's own codecs if you want .mov support
[07:32] <necrogami> Microsoft GEO .. Best windows os
[07:32] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, imo W2K was their best work.
[07:32] <dr_willis> the hd is showing up as  hda. so that imples its normal ide right?
[07:32] <Gatton> Any of you guys upload your screenshots anywhere besides gnome-look? I am a sucker for purty screen shots ;)
[07:32] <Amaranth> dr_willis: Yep.
[07:32] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: I agree.
[07:32] <concept10> dr_willis, what is the error message?
[07:32] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: But it's been EOLed so we have to move up to XP and turn things off.
[07:32] <concept10> Gatton, lynucs.org
[07:33] <courtknee> hey all
[07:33] <Sammi> XP is about equal to 98 in my opinion, and that's only because it can run newer stuff (whereas 98 rocks but is a little obsolete when it comes to the newer stuff.)
[07:33] <Amaranth> Gatton: http://www.realistanew.com/desktop.png http://www.realistanew.com/desktop2.png
[07:33] <dr_willis> concept10,  well im reistalling 64bit ubuntu on the laptop at the moment - will see it in a min.
[07:33] <skalpel> how can you use quicktime form a webbrowser?
[07:33] <Gatton> concept10, hey thanks. I ued to have that bookmarked and lost it
[07:33] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: btw, what do you think of http://dev.realistanew.com/icon_example.png ?
[07:33] <Gatton> Amaranth, doh! I thought i would be smart and try desktop1.png and no worky ;) thanks
[07:33] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, I like it
[07:33] <vinux> I don't like to run windows because it makes me think of Bill Gates and ofcourse all those awfull times I had with windows hehe
[07:33] <Amaranth> :D
[07:34] <dr_willis> Im checking the forums and aparently 64bit AMd processors/Turions -  can be having some 'issues' that make the system sluggish. i was thinkign it was the dma issue.. but it seems deeper then that.
[07:34] <Amaranth> http://dev.realistanew.com/icon_example.png <--anyone else have an opinion on the icon?
[07:34] <zenrox> looking now
[07:34] <Amaranth> dr_willis: Sounds like that issue that a newer kernel fixed.
[07:34] <zenrox> nice
[07:34] <zenrox> very nice Amaranth
[07:34] <concept10> Amaranth, do you know anything about GNOME themes?
[07:34] <Gatton> Amaranth, I sene a trend with your backgrounds here. Who is that lady out of curiosity
[07:35] <Amaranth> concept10: somewhat
[07:35] <ricosuave17> its looks nice
[07:35] <courtknee> I have a external HD (USB) that was been formatted for NTFS.  When I plug it into my system should I be able to view it under 'computer' ?  Is there an additional step I need to undergo?  The drive shows up under usb config info screens.
[07:35] <Amaranth> Gatton: cristina scabbia from lacuna coil
[07:35] <hybrid_goth> Amaranth: turn off the computer?
[07:35] <dr_willis> Amaranth,  cook.. what version # ya refering to by the way? :P
[07:35] <dr_willis> cool : P i mean
[07:35] <Amaranth> courtknee: NTFS partitions are read-only
[07:35] <Amaranth> hybrid_goth: Err, yes?
[07:35] <Sammi> Amaranth: I like the icon. And the desktops are pretty. :D
[07:35] <hybrid_goth> lucana coil pwns
[07:35] <Amaranth> courtknee: But it should show up.
[07:36] <concept10> Amaranth, I want to change the progress bar.  This guy that made a Thunderbird theme has an excellent OS X style progress bar, I want to rip that out and place it into GNOME.  Dont know where to start
[07:36] <courtknee> Amaranth:  thats cool;  but how do i get that 'read' stage? :D
[07:36] <Gatton> Amaranth, I like it. Reminds me of the Tinker Tool icon on the Mac
[07:36] <hybrid_goth> Amaranth:  you said turn some things off in xp to make it safe i said yea the computer
[07:36] <puff> bob2: Hm, well, konqueror certainly seems a lot snappier.
[07:36] <Amaranth> hybrid_goth: oh, haha
[07:36] <reka> skalpel: installing the mplayer plugin would probably work
[07:36] <puff> Well, enough for tongih.... gotta go get a few drinks in before the bars close.
[07:36] <Amaranth> courtknee: i dunno, it should just work
[07:36] <Amaranth> Gatton: thanks
[07:36] <skalpel> ok, how do i install the mplayer plugin?
[07:36] <reka> skalpel: or you could just run a video player when a .mov file is detected...which is what i do
[07:37] <courtknee> i'll fiddle around with it some more;  its not a desperate need really.  This distro worked 95% out of the box.  Its awesome
[07:37] <Amaranth> concept10: that's low level gtk engine hacking
[07:37] <reka> skalpel: what browser?
[07:37] <skalpel> firfox
[07:37] <concept10> Amaranth, damn! I wish I could just replace the graphic element.
[07:37] <Amaranth> btw, please don't talk about w32codecs here. Just point people to the wiki page.
[07:38] <reka> skalpel: install mozilla-mplayer
[07:39] <poningru> hi I had a couple of questions
[07:39] <reka> Amaranth: noted
[07:39] <reka> skalpel:
[07:39] <reka> !restricted
[07:39] <ubotu> hmm... restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:39] <poningru> is there a guide to minimizing the space used by gnome
[07:39] <ricosuave17> does anyone here not use gnome
[07:39] <Amaranth> poningru: space?
[07:39] <poningru> as in the screen space
[07:39] <vinux> why use anything else?
[07:39] <Amaranth> ah
[07:39] <zenrox> ricosuave17, i use xfce
[07:39] <poningru> sorry should have been more clear
[07:39] <Amaranth> poningru: get rid of one of the panels
[07:39] <poningru> see I like this config
[07:39] <ricosuave17> i think xfce is nice do u have a screenie
[07:40] <poningru> but I wanna make my panels smaller
[07:40] <vinux> xfce is nice
[07:40] <Amaranth> ah
[07:40] <poningru> as in the height
[07:40] <skalpel> i dont see anything about quicktime on that webpage
[07:40] <zenrox> ricosuave17, hold on ill get one
[07:40] <vinux> ricosuave17, I like xfce too
[07:40] <Amaranth> you want to edit the panel properties then
[07:40] <ricosuave17> ok anyone that has a screenie can i plz see it
[07:40] <Amaranth> poningru: right click on a blank spot on the panel and choose properties
[07:40] <poningru> yeah doesnt allow me to go below 24 px
[07:40] <Amaranth> ah
[07:40] <Amaranth> ok, then you can't
[07:40] <Gatton> poningru, you have better eyes than me then. my gnome panels are pretty darn thin as it is :)
[07:40] <skalpel> reka, what's the command line for installing that?
[07:40] <poningru> hehe
[07:40] <skalpel> oops
[07:40] <kevin06> Does anyone know what size hard drives Ubuntu supports "out of the box?"
[07:41] <Gatton> looks like 23 is the minimum for me too
[07:41] <poningru> Gatton: you know you can make it bigger
[07:41] <Amaranth> poningru: My top panel can go to 23
[07:41] <Amaranth> poningru: But I think it'll only go as small as it's smallest element
[07:41] <poningru> yeah that seems to be the case
[07:41] <Sammi> ricosuave17: http://www.xfce.org/index.php?page=screenshots&lang=en
[07:41] <poningru> kevin06: it will take all Hard drive sizes
[07:42] <Gatton> poningru, well if nothing else you saved me 2 pixels of screen space and i'm now at 23 ;)
[07:42] <joevandyk> Is there a subversion IRC channel somewhere?
[07:42] <kevin06> poningru: Thank you.
[07:42] <poningru> kevin06: it just needs enough to put the system files
[07:42] <Sammi> It's easier than anything to Google "Xfce."
[07:42] <poningru> but there is no upper limit
[07:42] <Sammi> The websites always have screenshots.
[07:43] <kevin06> Just wanted to make sure before I shell out $$$ for a big drive and have it end up useless.
[07:43] <Gatton> ricosuave17, some customized xfce screens   http://lynucs.org/index.php?p=search&search_string=xfce&search_categ=screen
[07:44] <vinux> I use a 40gig. Well i'm using a 12gig partition for ubuntu now
[07:44] <vinux> oh nvm lol I got just one partition now for ubuntu
[07:45] <ryan_> is there any programs that will play DVD movies if you install them, without any fafing around?
[07:45] <onur> hello i need help on changing my keyboard layout. Cause no matter what i do i cant change it
[07:45] <Gatton> vinux, what OS got paved over?
[07:45] <poningru> onur: whats up?
[07:45] <zenrox> what you think ricosuave17
[07:45] <vinux> Gatton, FreeBSD! I will never even look at that distro again
[07:45] <xkuseme> anybody know what rcS does
[07:46] <poningru> ryan_: what do you mean fafin around?
[07:46] <Gatton> vinux, I have tried a couple of times. Could never get anywhere. I thought it was just me ;)
[07:46] <ryan_> with out any messing around to get it working poningru
[07:46] <onur> poningru, currently i am using a turkish keyboard of my hp nx7010 laptop and i made a fresh install of ubuntu
[07:46] <ryan_> onur, system prefs keybored
[07:46] <onur> poningru, and i set the keyboard layout from the prefers keyboard
[07:46] <poningru> onur: hmm let me see
[07:46] <ricosuave17> they look nice
[07:46] <onur> poningru, to turkish but it is still in english
[07:47] <Sammi> Okay, so about how much faster is XFCE supposedly than GNOME?
[07:47] <vinux> Gatton, well when they say it helps to read the handbook on it they are not kidding. You really need to read it all the way through like 3 times plus spend about 300hours trying to configure crap lol
[07:47] <ryan_> poningru, do you know of any?
[07:47] <zenrox> ricosuave17,  thats a dual monitor set up
[07:47] <onur> poningru, and theres no other layout . i removed the US
[07:47] <ricosuave17> cool. how can i have a virtual desktop?
[07:47] <zenrox> ricosuave17,  it ant a virtual desktop
[07:48] <zenrox> its 2 seprate monitors
[07:48] <ricosuave17> i mean can i do it
[07:48] <vinux> Gatton, what really bugs me about it is they have a PC-BSD version out now. Which is easy to use like ubuntu but still is in beta. But it doesn't work well with FreeBSD
[07:48] <zenrox> if you have a vid card with 2 heads on it
[07:48] <Razul> can you install fluxbox in ubuntu?
[07:48] <ricosuave17> nop
[07:48] <poningru> ryan_: here let me help onur first
[07:48] <ricosuave17> i mean like the one were u have a desktop bigger then ur screen
[07:48] <Razul> oh
[07:48] <poningru> onur: under the pref keyboard
[07:48] <ricosuave17> and u scroll on it
[07:48] <pax> Razul: sure you can.
[07:48] <ryan_> poningru, not a prob mate :)
[07:48] <zenrox> ricosuave17,  i dont know how to do that
[07:48] <onur> poningru,  yeah ?
[07:48] <poningru> onur: go to layout
[07:48] <poningru> and press add
[07:48] <Gatton> vinux, I actually tried to install PC-BSD but it seemed to not like either my wireless keyboard or my KVM or both and I was too lazy to hooked up a wired keyboard and mouse to get it going ;) Maybe some other day
[07:48] <ricosuave17> wiat were is ur pic
[07:49] <Razul> oh ok kewl
[07:49] <Gatton> ubuntu just works
[07:49] <onur> poningru, done!
[07:49] <Gatton> something to be said for that
[07:49] <poningru> if you scroll down there should be a turkish option
[07:49] <poningru> on the side
[07:49] <onur> scroll down ?
[07:49] <onur> by adding ?
[07:49] <poningru> yeah
[07:49] <Gatton> As I get older I find I am less content to edit config files. Granted I've had to do a little of that with Ubuntu but not nearly as much as with past distros with the possible exception of Suse
[07:49] <onur> i have already added
[07:49] <poningru> which one have you added?
[07:49] <poningru> layout I mean
[07:50] <onur> Turkish Turkish Alt-Q Layouy
[07:50] <onur> layout
[07:50] <poningru> hmm and it still types in english?
[07:50] <onur> yes
[07:50] <poningru> 
[07:50] <onur> and it is selected as default and i removed all english
[07:51] <poningru> wait
[07:51] <poningru> do you have the turkish locale installed?
[07:51] <poningru> from synaptic
[07:51] <onur> dunno ?
[07:51] <poningru> go into synaptic and install the turkey locale
[07:52] <onur> i am in synaptic
[07:52] <poningru> let me make sure that is availble
[07:52] <onur> how shall i find the turkey locale there
[07:52] <vinux> Gatton, well they are still working on it. But i'm sure they will have it working great in about a year
[07:53] <thoreauputic> language-support-tr  metapackage for Turkish language support
[07:53] <onur> Synaptic  = > Synaptic Package Manager ?
[07:53] <thoreauputic> openoffice.org-l10n-tr - Turkish language package for OpenOffice.org
[07:53] <thoreauputic> language-pack-tr-base - translations for language Turkish
[07:54] <poningru> yeah
[07:54] <poningru> what he said
[07:54] <onur> found it
[07:54] <poningru> onur: that should enable you to input in turkish
[07:54] <Dr_Melectaus> hey thoreauputic
[07:54] <Dr_Melectaus> How are you :)
[07:54] <onur> now installing
[07:54] <poningru> when you right click on an input area
[07:54] <Gatton> vinux, you're probably right. Afterall nobody though Debian would ever be so easy to install and use eh? ;)
[07:54] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: OK - you ?
[07:54] <poningru> also that allows your entire desktop to go turkish
[07:55] <Dr_Melectaus> Im good thanks
[07:55] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: dude you changed name
[07:55] <Dr_Melectaus> lol sorry, just hate ryan_
[07:56] <poningru> hehe
[07:56] <poningru> ok so you wanna watch dvds
[07:56] <vinux> Gatton, well the new Suse I would have to say is awsome. 9.3 rocks but I don't like all that paying for it lol. You can get it free but it's not the same.
[07:56] <Dr_Melectaus> Well its my real name. But its a bit cheesy with the _
[07:56] <Dr_Melectaus> yes poningru
[07:56] <onur> poningru, installation done. now what
[07:56] <onur> still in english
[07:57] <Gatton> vinux, I was able to get Suse Pro 9.3 with my last job. Again I had installation/upgrade issues. It's one of the reasons I mainly use Ubuntu now
[07:57] <Amaranth> Dr_Melectaus: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[07:57] <poningru> onur: you have to restart
[07:57] <Gatton> At some point I will hunker down and try to get Suse 9.3 installed and working. But for now I'm really enjoying Ubuntu
[07:57] <onur> poningru, ok thx
[07:57] <poningru> onur: you have to
[07:57] <poningru> choose at startup
[07:57] <Amaranth> note: this is why you should choose your language right on startup :)
[07:57] <vinux> Gatton, really? Installation and upgrade issues?
[07:57] <poningru> turkish
[07:57] <Gatton> vinux, But I loved 9.2
[07:57] <onur> Gatton, I was using Suse 9.3
[07:57] <Amaranth> onur: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[07:57] <Amaranth> then log out and back in
[07:58] <onur> Amaranth, instead of reboot ?
[07:58] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: add the backports mirror and then just install libdvdcss2 using your synaptic
[07:58] <Amaranth> onur: yeah
[07:58] <Gatton> vinux, yea. I had to turn ACPI off to get installation going. Then when it asked for the 2nd cd keyboard and mouse were not working. Again I think it has to do with my KVM maybe
[07:58] <onur> ok
[07:58] <poningru> oh
[07:58] <vinux> Gatton, well ofcourse Suse runs slower then ubuntu and I like speed :)
[07:58] <poningru> yeah a logout will do
[07:58] <poningru> hehe
[07:58] <Dr_Melectaus> poningru, sorry?
[07:58] <onur> Gatton, and Suse 9.3 crashed my file system after a trial of XEN
[07:58] <Amaranth> onur: in the thing that comes up turn off en_US and turn on what you want (make sure you use the UTF-8 version)
[07:58] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: hold on let me see
[07:58] <Gatton> vinux, true. And I had some hotplug issues that caused bad slow down and stuttering at times
[07:59] <poningru> !backports
[07:59] <ubotu> from memory, backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[07:59] <onur> Amaranth, on my way
[07:59] <vinux> Gatton, yes Suse doesn't have as good support as ubuntu
[07:59] <Gatton> onur, ouch. I hate to hear that. And Xen is one of the main reasons I wanted to try 9.3
[07:59] <poningru> !codecs
[07:59] <ubotu> from memory, codecs is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:59] <Dr_Melectaus> poningru, is the backports the unoficial repository list
[07:59] <Gatton> vinux, I admit I was surprised by that. I really thought I was gonna have trouble with my external hard drive and usb key. Everything just worked
[07:59] <Amaranth> Gatton: breezy is supposed to be getting some xen love
[07:59] <vinux> Gatton, :)
[07:59] <thoreauputic> poningru: IIRC libdvdcss2 is in hoary-extras
[08:00] <vinux> Amaranth, xen? what's that?
[08:00] <Gatton> Amaranth, That will be cool. I am looking forward to trying it
[08:00] <Amaranth> !xen
[08:00] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Amaranth
[08:00] <Amaranth> err, damn
[08:00] <iceman2k> 64 bit rocks
[08:00] <vinux> lol
[08:00] <vinux> iceman2k, really? Is it fast?
[08:00] <Amaranth> vinux: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/
[08:00] <Dr_Melectaus> so poningru what do i do O_o
[08:00] <iceman2k> vinux beats my old p4 2.8 all to hell ..
[08:01] <Dr_Melectaus> i have a p2.8
[08:01] <Dr_Melectaus> p4 2.8**
[08:01] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: ok go here
[08:01] <poningru> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingMultimediaRepositories
[08:01] <iceman2k> this is only a 2800 xp 64 system ..
[08:01] <onur> Amaranth, theres a quite a list here
[08:01] <Gatton> vinux, Here's some screenshots of Xen in action   http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/screenshots/index.html
[08:01] <vinux> iceman2k, wow i'm getting a 64bit then well maybe in about 6 months
[08:01] <Amaranth> onur: aye, ubuntu supports a lot of languages
[08:01] <onur> Amaranth, many items are preselected starting with_en
[08:01] <poningru> and follow the instructions to add the backports repositories
[08:02] <Amaranth> onur: note: i've never done this before :)
[08:02] <ricosuave17> what is xen
[08:02] <iceman2k> vinux paid 200 for the barebone .. .cpu, case ... and mobo ...
[08:02] <poningru> !xen
[08:02] <onur> Amaranth, no what i mean there is en_AU and en_BW and so on
[08:02] <ubotu> poningru: Wish i knew
[08:02] <iceman2k> soyo dragon gammer case
[08:02] <Amaranth> onur: Do you want english at all?
[08:02] <poningru> http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/
[08:03] <poningru> iceman2k: did you get that?
[08:03] <vinux> wow amazing
[08:03] <MrGardenHoseMan> Why does K3b freeze the system when erasing a cd, can't click on anything, can't even move the k3b windows
[08:03] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: you there?
[08:03] <vinux> awsome
[08:03] <MrGardenHoseMan> it erases the cd fine though
[08:03] <onur> Amaranth, I want to use my Turkish keyboard thats all
[08:03] <Dr_Melectaus> yes
[08:03] <iceman2k> Runnung windows 64 right now .. ubuntu is the next install
[08:03] <Amaranth> onur: oh!
[08:03] <Amaranth> onur: Stop, don't listen to me!
[08:03] <Dr_Melectaus> poningru, just going by your instructions just now bud
[08:03] <poningru> ok
[08:03] <onur> Amaranth, so what ?
[08:03] <poningru> let me know if you run into trouble
[08:03] <Amaranth> onur: get out of that, go to System->Preferences->Keyboard
[08:04] <ricosuave17> so xen will let me run windows on linux
[08:04] <poningru> Amaranth: that didnt work
[08:04] <vinux> brb guys
[08:04] <iceman2k> this little AMD beats the heck out of my P4 ...
[08:04] <onur> Amaranth, I have already done that it didnt work, That was my problem
[08:04] <poningru> onur: so you dont want your entire system to be turkish?
[08:04] <iceman2k> and the actual mhz are 1000 less
[08:04] <onur> NO I want to use My Turkish keyboard in this English System THATS ALL
[08:04] <poningru> oh
[08:04] <Amaranth> Didn't work? Does it want more money? Does it sit on IRC all day? Please be more specific.
[08:04] <iceman2k> Amd clocks the mhz at 1800... and it spanks a p4 2.8 ...
[08:05] <poningru> onur then just right click on an input area
[08:05] <hybrid_goth> iceman2k: thats how it is with a p4 to a G5
[08:05] <poningru> and select input method
[08:05] <poningru> now there should be turkish in there somewhere
[08:05] <onur> Amaranth, currently In the preferences Layout it is selected as Turkish
[08:05] <iceman2k> Been looking at a mac ... to play with ..
[08:06] <onur> But i cant type in Turkish
[08:06] <vinux> hehe back on xfce4
[08:06] <Amaranth> onur: turkish is highest in the list?
[08:06] <onur> poningru, there is not
[08:06] <hybrid_goth> iceman2k:  ubuntu is awesome on a mac
[08:06] <Amaranth> being marked default isn't enough
[08:06] <Amaranth> it needs to be first in the list
[08:06] <onur> Amaranth, Turkish is the only item in the list and selected as default
[08:06] <iceman2k> Ubuntu is about the smoothest linux distro i ave seen ..
[08:06] <vinux> iceman2k, same here it's amazing
[08:06] <hybrid_goth> iceman2k:  sooo flesible
[08:07] <hybrid_goth> **flexible
[08:07] <iceman2k> absolutly ...
[08:07] <hybrid_goth> so flexible it is flesible
[08:07] <onur> poningru, what should i do now ?
[08:07] <hybrid_goth> lol :p
[08:07] <iceman2k> got to see if it will resize my partition and install and play nice with the mbr ... with xp 64 bit
[08:08] <poningru> onur: hmm
[08:08] <iceman2k> Only have the xp beta 64 bit ...
[08:08] <poningru> onur: do you have the necessary fonts installed?
[08:08] <crimsun> it resizes ntfs in the installer, yes.
[08:08] <iceman2k> Still a free download ... and it's for sale ..
[08:09] <crimsun> you have to change the partition size in the screen, but all the hard work is done for you.
[08:09] <iceman2k> Xp 64 bit free ... ;)
[08:09] <bob2> you mean "amd64", right?
[08:09] <onur> poningru, i still didnt reboot please note that. And i dont know where to check the fonts ?
[08:09] <iceman2k> yea
[08:09] <bob2> windows nt 4.0 ran on 64-bit machines in 1997 or so
[08:09] <poningru> onur: go to synaptic
[08:09] <iceman2k> bob2 ? nt 4 ran on 64 bit , but did it use the full 64 bit ...
[08:10] <poningru> make sure you have ttf-bitstream-vera
[08:10] <Dr_Melectaus> poningru, ive finished what you instructed me to do
[08:10] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: now go into synaptic package manager
[08:10] <Amaranth> haha
[08:10] <Dr_Melectaus> ok
[08:10] <Amaranth> everytime i try to choose turkish keyboard GNOME crashes back down to gdm
[08:10] <Amaranth> breezy is so broken :D
[08:10] <poningru> and install libdvdcss2
[08:10] <bob2> iceman2k: of course
[08:10] <bob2> 64-bit cpus are nothing special
[08:11] <onur> poningru, already installed
[08:11] <bob2> the only reason people think they are is because Alphas and Itanium never hit the mass-market like amd64 has
[08:11] <iceman2k> bob2 from what i understood... when the clawhammer and sledgehammer processors started in beta about 4 years ago, the only os that would work was linux ..
[08:11] <Amaranth> To be fair, the Itanium sucked.
[08:11] <Dr_Melectaus> ok done that poningru
[08:11] <Amaranth> And now it's previous suckage will keep it out of the competition.
[08:11] <bob2> iceman2k: yes, there were many 64-bit cpus before AMD64
[08:11] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: you should be able to play dvds now
[08:12] <Dr_Melectaus> cheers man
[08:12] <onur> poningru, and coming back to me ?
[08:12] <poningru> np
[08:12] <iceman2k> next move will be 128 bit processors ... ;)
[08:12] <bob2> iceman2k: windows has only recently been able to run on AMD64, but it ran on Alpha many years ago
[08:12] <poningru> onur: yeah
[08:12] <poningru> still trying to figure it out
[08:12] <poningru> iceman2k: unlikely
[08:13] <Computer__Guru> Hai, fsckers!
[08:13] <poningru> well it wont happen on x86
[08:13] <Amaranth> bob2: 1996
[08:13] <Computer__Guru> what wont?
[08:13] <iceman2k> 128 bit
[08:13] <onur> poningru, does it matter if i give you my user name and pass so you connect through ssh ?
[08:13] <poningru> no
[08:13] <poningru> do not do that
[08:14] <bob2> 128-bit is more ram than anyone will be able to afford for a long time
[08:14] <poningru> onur: serious breach of security
[08:14] <iceman2k> bob2 would have to agree ...
[08:14] <poningru> onur: try disagree
[08:14] <poningru> err
[08:14] <onur> i know this is a bad idea but it is a freshly installed thing and if  cant solve this issue i will format the disk anyway
[08:14] <poningru> try restarting the computer
[08:14] <iceman2k>  only have 512 from the p4 in the AMD 64 right now... next move is a GIG of ram
[08:15] <poningru> iceman2k: with the amd64 make sure you have powernow activated
[08:15] <onur> so risk of security is better than format. ok i am doing
[08:15] <poningru> or else its gonna run hotter than a tamale
[08:15] <Computer__Guru> i have 384 and rarely if ever hit swap
[08:15] <poningru> onur: true
[08:15] <iceman2k> ABIT K8V Pro mobo ... Nice protection ...
[08:15] <jambon> has anyone gotten enlightenment to work well for them?
[08:16] <iceman2k> god AMD 64 rocks ..
[08:16] <dr_willis> jambon,  not in the last 5+ years :P
[08:16] <Saint-Fran> hey guys is ubuntu a good distro?
[08:16] <Saint-Fran> coz im going to install it
[08:16] <iceman2k> absolutle
[08:16] <dr_willis> Saint-Fran,  yes - its very well done.
[08:16] <vinux> Saint-Fran, it owns!
[08:16] <Saint-Fran> but yah there are like 2394823424 ditros
[08:16] <Saint-Fran> lol i have no clue
[08:16] <Saint-Fran> which one to pick
[08:16] <poningru> Saint-Fran: this is not the place to ask
[08:16] <bob2> Saint-Fran: so try it and see
[08:16] <poningru> for a unbiased review
[08:16] <Saint-Fran> ahhaaht ahts so true
[08:16] <vinux> Saint-Fran, i've tried alot but ubuntu is the best!
[08:17] <Saint-Fran> yah i just finished dling the iso for ubuntu
[08:17] <poningru> we all use it so we are all going to say ubuntu is good
[08:17] <Saint-Fran> :{
[08:17] <jambon> watcha talkin about willis?
[08:17] <Saint-Fran> err :}
[08:17] <iceman2k> ubuntu is smooth to install, awasom support here, and great hardware support
[08:17] <jambon> not even tried dr17?
[08:17] <poningru> but imho its the best out there for a person starting out with linux
[08:17] <vinux> poningru, hehe yea true
[08:17] <dr_willis> you do need some free unpartioned space for the installer i think. It wont resize an existing partition. (or has it started doing that?)
[08:17] <sono> Hey friends. Hello.  Does anybody know if the ubuntu AMD64 OpenOffice printing problem has been solved?
[08:17] <Saint-Fran> i see cool
[08:17] <poningru> iceman2k: you do have powernow running right?
[08:17] <Dr_Melectaus> poningru, are there any other DVD players ?
[08:18] <Saint-Fran> btw wahts powernow?
[08:18] <Dr_Melectaus> other than totem
[08:18] <jambon> so anyone here ever fiddled with dr1?
[08:18] <Gatton> Saint-Fran, I've used a lot of distros and I'm very happy with Ubuntu. Suse Pro is the only thing that comes close and that costs $90 US and this is free
[08:18] <iceman2k> sono ... still need to install ubuntu 64 bit .... thats a issue ...
[08:18] <poningru> hehe Dr_Melectaus totem sucks
[08:18] <poningru> use vlc
[08:18] <Dr_Melectaus> poningru, i know :-\ its poo
[08:18] <Gatton> But don't Version me or anything cuz I'm on the mac while I install Kubuntu on the other machine ;)
[08:18] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: also did you activate dma?
[08:18] <Dr_Melectaus> uhm how do i do that poningru
[08:18] <poningru> ubotu tell Dr_Melectaus about dma
[08:19] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: did you get that?
[08:19] <poningru> it basically makes your dvd run better
[08:19] <jambon> would anyone know what the following error means?
[08:19] <jambon>  error while loading shared libraries: libtag.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[08:19] <poningru> err dvd drive run better
[08:19] <sono> sorry iceman2k... cause 32 bit Openoffice works neat with cups right?
[08:19] <Dr_Melectaus> yes poni, doesnt say how to activate it though
[08:19] <poningru> open that link
[08:19] <Dr_Melectaus> or is it at the link
[08:19] <necrogami> i wanna listen to a .pls shoutcast stream on ubuntu how would i go about doing that
[08:19] <poningru> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//DMA
[08:19] <poningru> yeah
[08:20] <Saint-Fran> hey poningru.. u said something about activating something or else the amd64 will run hot
[08:20] <Saint-Fran> i saw it right when i went in.. what were u talking about
[08:20] <Dr_Melectaus> whats VLC stand for? i cant apt-get vlc
[08:20] <poningru> Saint-Fran: powernow
[08:20] <sono> AMD64 OpenOffice just does'nt works with cups.
[08:20] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: wxvlc
[08:20] <thoreauputic> necrogami: nicest way to listen to shoutcast - install streamtuner
[08:20] <Gatton> VLC is Video Lan. a vide player
[08:20] <tnet03> hai
[08:20] <Saint-Fran> whats powernow do? and whats that
[08:20] <poningru> !powernow
[08:20] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, poningru
[08:20] <bob2> sono: there's a bug report in Bugzilla?
[08:20] <poningru> grr
[08:21] <poningru> Saint-Fran: here let me get you a good link
[08:21] <Dr_Melectaus> lol
[08:21] <bob2> Saint-Fran: it slows your cpu down when you're not using it, to save battery
[08:21] <Gatton> Dr_Melactaus, try doing apt-cache search vlc and you should find the full name. Or search with Synaptic
[08:21] <Saint-Fran> i see
[08:21] <sono> btw vlc does not works from the ubuntu64 binaries right? It shoots a segmentation fault error.
[08:21] <Saint-Fran> how do i activate it?
[08:21] <Gatton> Curse this mac version of xchat. No nick completion? argh
[08:21] <thoreauputic> vlc is in the universe repository
[08:22] <onur> poningru, i am back
[08:22] <jambon> Enlightenment anyone? having problems starting apps. Like eclair and engage
[08:22] <vinux> hey windows uses DMA 5 on my other hard drive. Hmm wonder if I can use that on this one?
[08:22] <necrogami> thoreauputic: thanks installing now
[08:22] <poningru> Saint-Fran: just get powernowd from synaptic
[08:22] <poningru> and restart
[08:22] <onur> poningru, at the begining of my login also theres a Turkish option in the language i selected it
[08:22] <poningru> onur: did it work?
[08:22] <poningru> guessing no
[08:23] <bob2> Saint-Fran: it's setup by default on laptops
[08:23] <onur> poningru, and all the menus and so on become Turkish with correct Turkish chars
[08:23] <thoreauputic> necrogami: in edit > prefs you can specify a player to use - default is xmms but I use beep-media-player here
[08:23] <onur> poningru, however still cant type in Turkish
[08:23] <poningru> onur: did you try the rightclick thing?
[08:23] <thoreauputic> necrogami: if you want to rip streams with it install streamripper ( they work together)
[08:23] <bob2> Saint-Fran: please don't /msg me
[08:24] <onur> poningru, no the menu names are in turkish but nothing related to turkish
[08:24] <bob2> Saint-Fran: please don't /msg me
[08:24] <poningru> hmm
[08:24] <Saint-Fran> oh lol
[08:24] <Saint-Fran> sorry
[08:24] <onur> poningru, also i realized that theres no apply in the keyb layout menu
[08:24] <bob2> Saint-Fran: if you have questions about ubuntu, come back once you have it installed
[08:24] <onur> i mean it is trange that you select a keyb layout then you "close" the dialog box
[08:24] <poningru> onur: have you tried both of the turkish keyboard layouts?
[08:25] <poningru> onur: thats how it works
[08:25] <aru> what language do they speak in malaysia?
[08:25] <poningru> malay
[08:25] <[teh] > bob2, how would i make a package of xchat with checkinstall that would overwrite the xchat that ubuntu manages?
[08:25] <onur> poningru, no the other is theorethically very different key placement than my keyboard
[08:25] <craigaa> Howzit all? Can someone help me with some recommendations wrt a small network? I have four workstations, all will be Ubuntu with one dual-booting to Windowze XP, and one server. The server will obviously have to run Samba to provide for the dual-boot workstation, but should I use Samba or NFS for the Linux-to-Linux file serving?
[08:25] <poningru> onur: ic
[08:25] <onur> poningru, it starts with F and mine is Q
[08:25] <bob2> [teh] : you wouldn't, that would be silly
[08:25] <poningru> right
[08:25] <sono> bob2, I am looking for those bug reports.
[08:25] <necrogami> OMFG this stream is Pure Techno Destruction
[08:26] <onur> poningru, you are out of ideas it seems
[08:26] <bob2> [teh] : compile it to /usr/local/ or something
[08:26] <poningru> onur: yeah unfortunately
[08:26] <necrogami> http://69.135.193.239:8000/listen.pls if anyone wants to listen
[08:26] <[teh] > bob2, i want to do it that way....
[08:26] <thoreauputic> necrogami: did you install streamripper too ? It rocks :)
[08:26] <bob2> [teh] : good luck then
[08:26] <[teh] > i just want to know how ubuntu names its xchat package, so i can use that scheme to apply it to my 2.4.4 package
[08:26] <necrogami> yep
[08:26] <onur> poningru, any last suggestions ? If not i will reinstall ubuntu once more and still cant cope it i have to leave it
[08:27] <poningru> onur: let me try something else
[08:27] <poningru> what is the full name of your keyboard?
[08:27] <necrogami> OMFG @ this stream tho
[08:27] <onur> poningru, my pleasure
[08:27] <Xyc0> Steve Keyboard
[08:27] <onur> poningru, brand name ?
[08:27] <Xyc0> thats his full name
[08:27] <poningru> onur: yah
[08:27] <poningru> err full brand name+model name
[08:28] <onur> poningru, this is a HP compax nx7010 laptop and the keyboard is integrated as you might guess
[08:28] <poningru> oh ic
[08:28] <poningru> hmm let me see
[08:28] <onur> poningru, also i know very well that Suse could type turkish very well on this comp
[08:28] <iceman2k> God, most people i ask, said there was little difference in AMD 64 2800 and a P4 2.8 ... I disagree ...
[08:28] <Dr_Melectaus> poningru, im at step 4 for makeing DMA load on startup. It says edit your hdparm.conf. i typed gedit /etc/hdparm.conf and it wont let me edit it
[08:28] <Xyc0> symantics
[08:29] <Gatton> necrogami it must be awfully popular. stream keeps stalling for me
[08:29] <vinux> thoreauputic, hey what's the easy command to just rip a song i'm listening to with streamtuner? or is there an easy command hehe
[08:29] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: try gedit /etc/hdparm.conf
[08:29] <onur> poningru,  HP compaq nx7010 it should be -- correction to above
[08:29] <poningru> onur: yeah I figured
[08:29] <Dr_Melectaus> thats what i typed poningru
[08:29] <ricosuave17> any guides to customize gnome
[08:29] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: hold sorry
[08:29] <thoreauputic> vinux: if you have streamripper installed you just press the record button
[08:29] <vinux> Dr_Fate, do sudo before gedit
[08:29] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: try sudo gedit /etc/hdparm.conf
[08:29] <Dr_Melectaus> ok
[08:29] <poningru> and it will ask for password
[08:30] <poningru> vinux: can you help him out
[08:30] <poningru> I need to help onur
[08:30] <vinux> poningru, sure what does he need?
[08:30] <vinux> hdparm?
[08:31] <vinux> Dr_Melectaus, ok what drive is it? /dev/hdc or /dev/hdd?
[08:31] <thoreauputic> vinux: if you want to save bandwidth you can redirect the stream and monitor it from port 8000 - see man streamripper for the options
[08:31] <vinux> Dr_Melectaus, is this for DVDs?
[08:31] <vinux> thoreauputic, cool thanks
[08:32] <[teh] > how do i add an icon to the kde menu?
[08:32] <[teh] > a shortcut rather
[08:32] <Amaranth> [teh] : kmenuedit or smeg
[08:33] <[teh] > thanks
[08:34] <onur> poningru, may be i could supply you a VNC connection , though you dont have the turkish keyboard, i doubt if it could be useful
[08:35] <onur> so silent
[08:35] <Dr_Melectaus> poningru, the dvd works
[08:35] <Dr_Melectaus> but theres no sound
[08:35] <poningru> we are apt of borg - rpm is futile - you will be dpkg'ed
[08:36] <Dr_Melectaus> roffle poningru
[08:36] <poningru> onur: dont think that will help
[08:36] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: hmm
[08:36] <poningru> so the sound doesnt work?
[08:36] <poningru> onur: I am fresh out of ideas
[08:36] <Dr_Melectaus> not in the new program i downloaded
[08:36] <onur> poningru, you could play with my configuariton
[08:37] <onur> poningru, any last suggestions that where should i take support ?
[08:37] <Dr_Melectaus> but sound works in totem, but the trackin is screwed in totem. it only thinks the disc is 37 seconds long
[08:37] <Dr_Melectaus> sound works
[08:37] <onur> or anyone in this channel ?
[08:37] <poningru> onur: I would say try putting it up in the
[08:37] <Dr_Melectaus> just not on this dvd
[08:37] <poningru> ubuntu forums
[08:37] <onur> poningru, i did already
[08:37] <poningru> oh
[08:37] <onur> poningru, it was my first stop
[08:37] <poningru> hmm this is annoying
[08:38] <poningru> I would hate it if my keyboard didnt work
[08:38] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: are you using totem-xine or the default ( totem-gstreamer) ?
[08:38] <onur> poningru, but my keyboard works, it is ubuntu unable to figure it out
[08:38] <Dr_Melectaus> thoreauputic, is that some sort of sound codec ?
[08:39] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: no - different backends /engines for totem
[08:39] <robotgeek> onur: sorry, i just got in...what kind of problem do u have?
[08:39] <miguel_> has anyone ever had a problem where everytime they logged out or rebooted, none of their desktop settings were saved, despite clicking the 'save settings' box on exit. is it a read/write issue
[08:39] <Dr_Melectaus> im getting sound in totem, just it only thinks the dvd is 37 seconds long
[08:39] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: i suggest you install totem-xine - gstreamer still has issues
[08:39] <Dr_Melectaus> the backend engine-  im not sure
[08:39] <poningru> thoreauputic: he is using vlc right now
[08:39] <onur> robotgeek, thank you, Now in my HP compaq nx7010 laptop i have a Turkish keyboard i want to use but i cant
[08:39] <Dr_Melectaus> ok, do i just apt-get  it thoreauputic ?
[08:39] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: just try it
[08:40] <thoreauputic> poningru: I thought he was complaining about totem ? *grin*
[08:40] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: have you tried synaptic package manager?
[08:40] <onur> robotgeek, and it is already set in preferences keyboard layout as default  I mean Turkish keyboard , as the only option
[08:40] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: sudo apt-get install totem-xine
[08:40] <Dr_Melectaus> aye ive done it :)
[08:40] <thoreauputic> k
[08:40] <Dr_Melectaus> im getting it now poningru
[08:41] <poningru> ok cool
[08:41] <Dr_Melectaus> thor: will this solve the sound issue in VLC ?
[08:41] <ricosuave17> whats a good p2p program besides amule
[08:41] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: no
[08:41] <thoreauputic> :)
[08:41] <Dr_Melectaus> ok
[08:41] <Dr_Melectaus> lol
[08:41] <robotgeek> onur: i have no experience with foreign keyboards...but try playind with the xmodmap program
[08:41] <onur> robotgeek, and furthermore even the login language Turkish works well, still cant type in Turkish no matter what i do. This is my problem
[08:41] <sono> Ok guys (bob2), OpenOffice printing does not work in Hoary64, as we can officially read @ bug 8663
[08:41] <Sammi> ricosuave17: Try Limewire.
[08:41] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: do you have w32codecs installed?
[08:41] <bob2> awesome
[08:42] <robotgeek> onur: ahh...internationalization, no experince at all..sorry!!
[08:42] <Dr_Melectaus> i believe so thoreauputic
[08:42] <thoreauputic> ok
[08:42] <onur> robotgeek, no problem thanks for trying
[08:42] <sono> I am currently downloading the massive 213 MB of OpenOffice source to recompile... but... I am thinking it twice...
[08:43] <dr_willis> i just use abiword
[08:43] <ricosuave17> is it in apt-get ?
[08:43] <dr_willis> :P
[08:43] <onur> robotgeek, anyone could help me in this channel ?
[08:43] <sono> it is a major package... how could it have a so terrible fault
[08:43] <sono> I did use abiword dr_willis... in fact I vote for it
[08:43] <sono> but...
[08:43] <robotgeek> onur: do have this language-env package installed, it says it's a configuration tool...you might wanna try it out
[08:44] <ricosuave17> limewire is not in apt-get is it?
[08:44] <robotgeek> onur: you best bet would be to show up again later. people do live in different parts of the world
[08:44] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: nope
[08:44] <onur> theres no such package
[08:44] <sono> we must confess to ourselves we end up needing some openoffice for the compatibility with people inside the Matrix (tm) (solely using Microlust products)
[08:44] <robotgeek> !repositories
[08:44] <ubotu> well, repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto, or repos
[08:44] <Dr_Fate> vinux, depends
[08:45] <onur> robotgeek,  guide me
[08:45] <jasoncohen> ricosuave17, http://ubuntuguide.org/#limewire
[08:45] <robotgeek> onur: go thru that guide, and add the repositories as directed
[08:45] <onur> robotgeek,  on my way
[08:45] <ricosuave17> i added already all the reposterias i knew off
[08:45] <ricosuave17> even some weird ones
[08:45] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: go to the limewire site and install
[08:45] <ricosuave17> ok
[08:46] <vinux> Dr_Fate, are you talking about the DMA thingy?
[08:46] <jasoncohen> ricosuave17, well, you shouldn't have anything but ubuntu repositories, backports and extras. marillat and other unofficial sources for debian can trash your ubuntu install
[08:47] <Dr_Melectaus> thoreauputic, i got the w32codecs
[08:48] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: whats the matter it still not playing the sound?
[08:48] <Dr_Melectaus> nope
[08:48] <Dr_Melectaus> not even in totem any more
[08:48] <poningru> hmm wierd
[08:48] <Dr_Melectaus> :(
[08:48] <poningru> can you play other sounds?
[08:49] <Dr_Melectaus> yea
[08:49] <Dr_Melectaus> mp3's. radio
[08:49] <Dr_Melectaus> they all work
[08:49] <Dr_Melectaus> .ogg
[08:49] <poningru> hmm
[08:50] <jasoncohen> Dr_Melectaus, what's not playing sound?
[08:50] <poningru> his dvd
[08:50] <Dr_Melectaus> jasoncohen, totem movie player. and vlc
[08:50] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: try to play an .ogg in vlc
[08:50] <robotgeek> try vlc, that was the only thing which worked for me!
[08:51] <poningru> yeah
[08:51] <Dr_Melectaus> ok poningru
[08:51] <Loki> hey quick question for any of ya lol
[08:51] <jasoncohen> Dr_Melectaus, nothing plays sound in totem or just videos? what about an mp3?
[08:51] <Loki> How do i mount a hard drive. Friend is getting kinda upset and about to blow his lid lol
[08:51] <jasoncohen> are you using totem-xine or totem-gstreamer?
[08:51] <jasoncohen> w32codecs works with the xine engine
[08:51] <Loki> He has a external he is trying to install the ubuntu distro to
[08:52] <ricosuave17> well ill risk it i like to have lots of programs
[08:52] <robotgeek> Loki: try mount /dev/sda1 <mount point>
[08:52] <Dr_Melectaus> jasoncohen, no sound with a .ogg
[08:52] <poningru> Loki: so he wants to install ubuntu to his externel hard drive?
[08:52] <Dr_Melectaus> im useing totem-xine
[08:52] <Loki> yes
[08:52] <ricosuave17> limewire is loading for like 3 hours now
[08:52] <Dr_Melectaus> i have the w32codecs
[08:52] <Dr_Melectaus> and i have xine
[08:52] <Loki> mount point being? the drive letter
[08:52] <poningru> Loki: I would say thats a bad idea but its doable
[08:52] <Loki> LOL i know he should do it on his internal hard drive.
[08:52] <robotgeek> Loki: sorry, i misunderstood...i think your process might involve doing an expert install, and loading the usb and scsi modules...not sure
[08:53] <Loki> but *shrugs*
[08:53] <poningru> Loki: what robotgeek said
[08:53] <Dr_Melectaus> jasoncohen, i have xine, and w32codecs
[08:53] <Loki> Ah.
[08:53] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: hmm - could be good old esd getting in the way as usual - can xmms or beep-media-player play sounds (ogg, mp3) ?
[08:53] <poningru> Loki: what kind of external hard drive is it?
[08:53] <_icebreaker_> how can i test if hardware rendering is enabeld?
[08:53] <Loki> Maxtor
[08:54] <Loki> OneTouch2
[08:54] <poningru> Loki: like usb, firewire, or scsi?
[08:54] <Dr_Melectaus> yes thoreauputic
[08:54] <ricosuave17> cool limewire is the first windows program to look exactly the same in linux finally
[08:54] <Loki> USB
[08:54] <poningru> hmm
[08:54] <EdLin> ricosuave17, that's because it's a Java swing app
[08:54] <jasoncohen> ricosuave17, what about firefox, gaim, thunderbird etc
[08:54] <robotgeek> i have a nice usb external
[08:54] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: just as an experiment, try " killall esd" then run totem again (you never know)
[08:54] <jasoncohen> they look pretty much the same in windows
[08:54] <Loki> haha. I need to get one
[08:54] <thoreauputic> just guessing here...
[08:55] <Loki> But also what essentially what happens is we can install linux just fine.
[08:55] <Loki> But when we go to load it nothing happens.
[08:55] <Loki> He gets this error
[08:55] <Loki> 1 sec lol. sorry.
[08:55] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: here lets just try this: logout and log back in
[08:55] <ricosuave17> nop those look horrible in linux
[08:55] <Dr_Melectaus> Ahhh!! works for totem thoreauputic
[08:55] <robotgeek> Loki: that's mostly because the usb modules need to be loaded, and that's only loaded after i boots!
[08:56] <Loki> oh
[08:56] <_icebreaker_> how can i test if graphic acceleration is enabeld
[08:56] <onur> robotgeek,  installed the lanaguage-env
[08:56] <poningru> ricosuave17: firefox looks the same everywhere
[08:56] <Loki> pivot_root: No such file or directory
[08:56] <Loki> /sbin/init: 428: cannot open dev/console: No such file
[08:56] <Loki> Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!
[08:56] <Loki> is the error he is getting
[08:56] <onur> robotgeek, no improvments still
[08:56] <ilba7r> is there a way to customize the display icons in gnome for specific file type say .lyx
[08:56] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: my firefox is more functional in linux than windows...i have it maximised without borders...
[08:56] <poningru> Loki: here try this
[08:56] <ricosuave17> how. i use opera
[08:57] <robotgeek> onur: you might also want to try to post on the ubutu forums, where your question is gonna stay.
[08:57] <onur> robotgeek, already done
[08:57] <robotgeek> onur: also try back here later...sorry, i dunno anything about this!
[08:57] <thoreauputic_> Dr_Melectaus: looks like the dreaded esd struck again (sorry I was disconnected by ISP )
[08:57] <onur> robotgeek, also i noticed a small bug with the Turkish font of Ubuntu, ok thx anyway
[08:58] <Dr_Melectaus> no probs thoreauputic cheers mate
[08:58] <poningru> Loki: try this
[08:58] <poningru> http://linux.simple.be/tools/sbm
[08:58] <Loki> Will do
[08:58] <thoreauputic_> Dr_Melectaus: working now?
[08:58] <Dr_Melectaus> yes in totem :)
[08:58] <thoreauputic_> aha!
[08:58] <robotgeek> Loki: i have an external usb enclosure, and use a normal ide drive in there...works well. it's a 80 gig hdd for less than 50$
[08:59] <poningru> onur: try back when its evening in turkey
[08:59] <Dr_Melectaus> thanks thoreauputic, poningru and jasoncohen
[08:59] <poningru> np
[08:59] <thoreauputic_> Dr_Melectaus: you're welcome :)
[08:59] <Loki> wow. heh he went out and bout a 2 gig external hard drive. so.... lol
[08:59] <Loki> But 1 prop poni
[08:59] <Loki> he doesn't have a floppy drive
[08:59] <ricosuave17> limewire is nice anyother one?
[08:59] <poningru> wtf
[08:59] <Loki> LOL
[08:59] <robotgeek> neither do i have one!
[09:00] <poningru> wait yeah modern laptops make sense
[09:00] <Loki> yes
[09:00] <poningru> no I dont have one either but I just for some reason thought that you were all using desktops
[09:00] <robotgeek> sorry, i meant "i don't have one either"
[09:00] <Loki> heh i am using a desktop
[09:00] <Loki> he's using a laptop
[09:00] <ricosuave17> there is one problem tho when i switch from one window to another limewire takes a while to load
[09:01] <poningru> Loki: I would tell him to install ubuntu in his internal hardrive
[09:01] <robotgeek> Loki: yeah, me too
[09:01] <robotgeek> Loki: though, it's an interesting challenge!
[09:01] <poningru> hehe yeah
[09:01] <Loki> HAHA
[09:01] <Loki> 4 days X_X we have been at it lol
[09:02] <Loki> meep *kicks his IRC client*
[09:02] <robotgeek> though, i think you would need to enable USB boot support in the bios..otherwise, might not be possible
[09:02] <zyth> Is there a way I can remove my NTFS partiton and merge the space into my Linux partition w/o erasing all my data?
[09:03] <Loki> ubuntu is apparently on his internal hard drive
[09:04] <keikoz> zyth i dont think
[09:04] <Loki> Ceneskie says:
[09:04] <Loki> all i want to know is how to edit line 429 of /sbin/init from the Ubuntu shell
[09:04] <Loki> lol... If that means anything?
[09:04] <keikoz> (w/o erasing your data i mean)
[09:04] <ricosuave17> i was just talking to a dude and u know what he said about linux the gui looks sick
[09:04] <poningru> zyth: yes
[09:05] <poningru> qtparted
[09:05] <zyth> poningru, how?
[09:05] <zyth> qtparted..? and it'll do it nondestructively?
[09:05] <poningru> yes
[09:05] <poningru> well like all software it has been known to fail
[09:05] <poningru> but it work
[09:05] <poningru> and I have used it
[09:05] <robotgeek> :)
[09:05] <poningru> worked for me everytime
[09:06] <poningru> no data loss here
[09:06] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: it's just a matter of opinion...windows gui sucks when compared to OS X
[09:06] <poningru> zyth: you can get it from synaptic
[09:06] <ricosuave17> not really i do think linux gui is sick it needs intensive care
[09:06] <Loki> okay robotgeek :P got one more question muahaha
[09:06] <Loki> KDE! lol gnome *shudders*
[09:07] <poningru> ricosuave17: how many linux desktops have you tried?
[09:07] <benplaut> i have nightmares about the GUI of WindowMaker
[09:07] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: my gnome desktop looks very nice, thank u very much!
[09:07] <thoreauputic> ricosuave17: no such thing as "a linux GUI" really -it depends entirely which DE or WM is in use
[09:07] <ricosuave17> may i see a screenie
[09:07] <ricosuave17> well i haven found an DE or WM thats nice
[09:07] <Loki> But robot my question is this how do you all i want to know is how to edit line 429 of /sbin/init from the Ubuntu shell
[09:07] <Ycros> I'm happy with ion.... :)~
[09:08] <poningru> Loki: sudo gedit /sbin/init
[09:08] <robotgeek> actually a openbox + gnome combination
[09:08] <poningru> or
[09:08] <poningru> Loki: sudo emacs /sbin/init
[09:08] <Loki> Ty sir
[09:08] <ricosuave17> any screnies?
[09:09] <robotgeek> sudo vi /sbin/init!!
[09:09] <poningru> emacs
[09:09] <thoreauputic> poningru: erm - run "file /sbin/init " - it is a binary : not editable I'm afraid
[09:09] <poningru> thoreauputic: he asked how to edit it
[09:09] <poningru> didnt know it was a bing
[09:09] <poningru> let the flame wars begin
[09:09] <poningru> EMACS!!!!!!
[09:09] <Loki> lol
[09:09] <thoreauputic> poningru: you can't, at least not directly
[09:09] <poningru> oneoneone
[09:10] <onur> poningru, i solved the problem
[09:10] <poningru> right
[09:10] <poningru> onur: how
[09:10] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/7617/desktop0kc.png
[09:10] <mabu> Why is inkscape 0.40 in repository if the newest version is 0.42?
[09:10] <robotgeek> onur: nice, how?
[09:11] <onur> poningru, i dont know exactly but i removed all the keyboards from layout and then added Turkish Q (at the top hierarchy previously i have set Turkish Alt Q)
[09:11] <thoreauputic> mabu: because hoary only has security updates and bugfixes
[09:11] <onur> 
[09:12] <ricosuave17> robotgeek: i need u to help me with one big thing i like from ur screenie
[09:12] <rgranholm> anyone in here, i hvae some questions
[09:12] <mabu> ok but how can I get Inkscape 0.42 from repository? Is there any other repo?
[09:12] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: like what?
[09:12] <bob2> mabu: because hoary froze 6 months ago?
[09:12] <Loki> The grammar X_X my eyes BURN!
[09:12] <thoreauputic> mabu: possibly in backports - I don't know
[09:12] <ricosuave17> the bottom text menus that say applications and stuff
[09:12] <Loki> hey roboto sudo doesn't work
[09:13] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: do u need to get that?
[09:13] <onur> robotgeek,  and poningru the problem is Turkish Alt-Q is not working i should have selected Turkish Q which is at the top. Since when i select Turkish Alt Q in the keyboard picture i cant see any letters
[09:13] <rgranholm> i cant seem to get the program kdx to start...
[09:13] <ricosuave17> yes plz
[09:13] <rgranholm> can anyone help
[09:13] <onur> what the heck Turkish Alt - Q is then , heh anyway thx
[09:14] <mabu> When I had Fedora there where updates of programs too. And I had stable version.
[09:14] <rgranholm> i cant execute the .lexe program
[09:14] <bob2> mabu: sure, that's fedora
[09:14] <bob2> mabu: you're welcome to run the development version of ubuntu, too
[09:14] <robotgeek> Right Click -> Add to Panel -> Gnome Panel Bar or something similiar
[09:14] <bob2> it's pretty broken, tho
[09:14] <mabu> The only thing I don't like in Fedora is lack of AmaroK
[09:14] <rgranholm> hello? can someone help me please!
[09:14] <bob2> rgranholm: you need to ask your question in a more useful way
[09:15] <rgranholm> hmm
[09:15] <rgranholm> ok
[09:15] <rgranholm> understood
[09:15] <ricosuave17> yay it showed up thanks
[09:15] <robotgeek> Right Click -> Add to Panel -> Menu Bar
[09:15] <bob2> rgranholm: a) briefly explain what kdx is, b) tell us what you've changed since it last worked, c) paste the error to #flood
[09:15] <onur> poningru, There's a font bug of Ubuntu about Turkish keyboard however. I mean this is not about configuration but Ubuntu is printing a letter slightly wrong
[09:15] <ricosuave17> domo arigato mr roboto
[09:16] <Loki> lol
[09:16] <onur> should i report it to somewhere ?
[09:16] <ricosuave17> btw i love that song mr roboto
[09:16] <rgranholm> i dont know what #flood is, but kdx is a community based peer to peer program, it has never worked..i am brand new to linux, and when i try and paste into xchat, it doesnt let me! but i will type it
[09:16] <sono> oh dudes... oh dudes... I mean, compiling for AMD64 all those massive openoffice sources doesn't make sense... only to make the app look lush with the gtk-gnome package and to achieve printing...
[09:16] <mebaran151> ooh fun
[09:16] <mebaran151> the installer kernel panics
[09:16] <onur> i tried the bugzilla but i don't have an account besides i dunno if i should write a formal report
[09:16] <mebaran151> nice .......
[09:17] <rgranholm> ok i got the paste to work
[09:17] <onur> robotgeek, ?
[09:17] <Loki> Okay how do i get line 429 of /sbin/init from the hard drive and not from the CD itself?
[09:17] <ricosuave17> mr roboto one more question
[09:17] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: #flood is a channel for pasting output - /join #flood to see
[09:17] <Loki> when i go into the shell it says that the hard disk file systems are mount ed on /target
[09:18] <Loki> how do i get over to /target and edit that fil
[09:18] <Loki> e*
[09:18] <cafuego> Loki: $EDITOR /target/sbin/init
[09:18] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: so, you changed ur mind about linux gui's sucking? :)
[09:18] <cafuego> Except it's a binary, of course.
[09:18] <ricosuave17> mr roboto only cause im listening to mr roboto by stx
[09:18] <Loki> ty
[09:18] <mebaran151> bob2, you were right
[09:18] <learn25> Hi all.
[09:18] <bob2> mebaran151: ?
[09:18] <cafuego> Loki: So don't edit it.
[09:19] <Loki> Oh
[09:19] <mebaran151> Breezy definitely is not ready
[09:19] <bob2> yes
[09:19] <learn25> is there a programming tool in linux? Like visual basic in windows?
[09:19] <mebaran151> installer kernel paniced
[09:19] <mebaran151> funnnnn
[09:19] <vladuz976> anybody know a good wallpaper site?
[09:19] <cafuego> mebaran151: Did you think the topic was a joke?
[09:19] <dr_willis> learn25,  several variations - depends on what language ya want to use.
[09:19] <mebaran151> learn25: gcc and Kdevelop
[09:19] <bob2> mebaran151: don't forget to file a bug
[09:19] <psychonate> vladuz976, I like deviant art.
[09:19] <mebaran151> cafuego: I thought it meant there is a bug
[09:19] <ricosuave17> mr roboto it still sucks it just doesnt suck that much
[09:19] <mebaran151> I cant
[09:19] <learn25> is kdevelop GUI based?
[09:19] <cafuego> mebaran151: No, there are MANY.
[09:19] <onur> poningru, ?
[09:19] <mebaran151> well I can ... grumble grumble
[09:19] <psychonate> vladuz976, http://www.deviantart.com/
[09:19] <bob2> mebaran151: why?
[09:20] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: it altteast looks better than my windows machine
[09:20] <mebaran151> I just realized
[09:20] <rgranholm> ok bob2 i did what you said...pasted my output.... i think i might just not know how to execute the file
[09:20] <mebaran151> I was going to say I dont have internet because I was thinking my linux box was friend
[09:20] <mebaran151> fried
[09:20] <dr_willis> ricosuave17,  you do realze tht the reason limewire looks the same under Linux and windows - is due to it being a Java program? :P
[09:20] <robotgeek> vladuz976:  http://www.xanthic.net/
[09:20] <mebaran151> until I realized that I could just do it from here
[09:20] <vladuz976> psychonate: they look good thanks
[09:20] <mebaran151> I am thinking of trying a BSD
[09:20] <ricosuave17> mr roboto what i need is to know how to u do that thing with the open windows that is only like one bar has arrows
[09:20] <Loki> He said nothing pulled
[09:21] <vladuz976> robotgeek: wow what is that
[09:21] <rgranholm> anyone still with me, does anyone here use KDX??
[09:21] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: please refer to me as robotgeek !
[09:21] <robotgeek> vladuz976: which one?
[09:21] <mebaran151> rgranholm: what is KDX
[09:21] <ricosuave17> robotgeek: sorry mr roboto
[09:21] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: patience please
[09:21] <vladuz976> robotgeek: xanthic
[09:21] <bob2> rgranholm: .lexe? what on earth is that?
[09:22] <robotgeek> vladuz976: some wallpaper site i found long time ago!
[09:22] <Madpilot> blasted power outages - I was on the way to set a personal uptime record, too... :(
[09:22] <mrd`> Argh, ssh x11 forwarding suddenly broke on me... anyone familiar enough with xauth to explain what went wrong?  (I'm looking for documentation and nothing's being useful to fix it.)
[09:22] <mebaran151> Madpilot: heheheh
[09:22] <bob2> mrd`: breezy?
[09:22] <mebaran151> mrd`: maybe it got disonnected
[09:22] <vladuz976> robotgeek: looks like a forum to me
[09:22] <rgranholm> mebaran: http://www.haxial.com/products/kdx/ >>>>KDX is like a swiss army knife for internet and intranet communications. KDX is a powerful multi-OS "BBS"-style (Bulletin Board System) encrypted internet communications system that provides voice chat (Internet Telephone), text chat, messaging, news, file and folder transfer, remote access, trackers and more. It uses strong encryption to protect your communications for security
[09:22] <rgranholm>  and privacy. It is very useful for groups that need to collaborate on a project via the Internet. It is also very useful for remote administration of a computer. KDX uses a client/server architecture (NOT peer-to-peer).
[09:22] <mebaran151> TCP/IP can be kind of shaky
[09:22] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: try enlightenment
[09:23] <Thunderguy> Anyone ever had experience with Lexmark z22/z32 in Ubuntu?
[09:23] <zyth> why won't gparted let me resize my ext2 partiton?
[09:23] <mrd`> bob2: On my machine yes, but I haven't updated anything between it working and not.
[09:23] <mrd`> mebaran151: No.
[09:23] <ricosuave17> robotgeek: later on can i get that part working plz
[09:23] <aru> zyth: to get to the other side?
[09:23] <bob2> mrd`: and on the other machine?
[09:23] <mrd`> bob2: The other's hoary.
[09:23] <robotgeek> vladuz976: there are some neat wallpapers there..
[09:23] <dr_willis> Thunderguy,  ive thrown several of those away :P
[09:23] <bob2> rgranholm: so, what on earth is a .lexe file?  it's certainly not a linux executable.
[09:23] <mrd`> bob2: Literally, I logged in via ssh, DISPLAY was set and everything worked fine.  I logged out, and logged back in, and it's no longer set.
[09:23] <bob2> rgranholm: you are sure you downloaded the linu version of this, right?
[09:24] <robotgeek> though deviantart is the most extensive
[09:24] <bob2> mrd`: ssh -X?
[09:24] <Thunderguy> Well Its a good printer, if you refill the cartridges yourself.
[09:24] <mrd`> bob2: Doesn't help.
[09:24] <rgranholm> KDX Client for GNU/Linux/x86  correct, that version
[09:24] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: which part?
[09:24] <Thunderguy> I just can't seem to get it working in Linux.
[09:24] <dr_willis> Thunderguy,  Hmm.. ones i saw were about a $25 printer. :P
[09:24] <ricosuave17> like were u see the windows that are currently open
[09:24] <bob2> rgranholm: well, you'll have to talk to the authors, I guess
[09:24] <mrd`> bob2: I have another machine I can login to and still export a display successfully on.
[09:25] <dr_willis> Thunderguy,  check the cups.org site to see how well supported it is
[09:25] <mrd`> bob2: (Also hoary.)
[09:25] <bob2> ricosuave17: you could really improve your chances of being helped by not using "words" like "plz", and by asking coherent questions to the whole channel.
[09:25] <rgranholm> bob2 well thats strange cause i try and search it up on google and it seems everyone else has it working but i assume thats cause they know how linux works but if you guys dont know what a .lexe is then i have no clue whats going on
[09:25] <bob2> mrd`: is xauth in your $PATH on both machines?
[09:25] <mrd`> bob2: Yes.
[09:25] <ricosuave17> ok well robotgeek did u get it>
[09:25] <bob2> mrd`: nothing obvious if you crank it up to -vvv?
[09:25] <thoreauputic> rgranholm:  #kde perhaps?
[09:26] <mrd`> bob2: Nope, it displays the exact same messages for both regarding requesting X11 forwarding.
[09:26] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: get what?
[09:26] <bob2> mrd`: hrm, dunno then, sorry
[09:26] <Loki> Question again
[09:26] <mrd`> bob2: :/ Thanks anyways.
[09:26] <Loki> my friend is saying his hard drive is mounted to /target
[09:26] <Loki> he is wondering how he gets over to that
[09:26] <rgranholm> thor: ok well i am not exactly sure what you mean by that, i am computer savvy and learning linux and its distrubutions, but i believe knoppiz uses kde and i tried it on there too...explain a little more about what you mean by kde though??
[09:26] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: I'm assuming the Ks imply it's a KDE app ...
[09:27] <bob2> Loki: what is your "friend" trying to do?
[09:27] <dr_willis> cd /target
[09:27] <dr_willis> then the stuff is there :P
[09:27] <Loki> Get ubuntu to work LOL
[09:27] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: KDE is a desktop environment like gnome
[09:27] <mebaran151> what is a good non panicing distro for AMD64
[09:27] <robotgeek> bob2: they are attempting to install ubuntu on an external usb hdd
[09:27] <mebaran151> other than gentoo, which ate WAY too much of my time
[09:27] <bob2> Loki: and in what way does the installer not work?
[09:27] <rgranholm> thor: i dont think so because the program was first designed for windows, having nothing to do with KDE, right ok, i thought so
[09:27] <bob2> lordy
[09:27] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: ah I see
[09:28] <Loki> We can get everythign set up but the boot loader won't boot linux it will boot winblows just fine
[09:28] <Thunderguy> auctually I remember something now, I just installed the .tgz file for Redhat onto Ubuntu it seemed to install ok with Alien, but I have no clue how to access the driver after that.
[09:28] <bob2> mebaran151: if hoary gives you panics, even with noapic, nolapic and/or acpi=off, please file a bug
[09:28] <robotgeek> Loki: did u check the boot from usb in this bios??
[09:28] <Loki> he didn't say lemme ask him 1 sec
[09:28] <ricosuave17> robotgeek: im gonna re upload ur pic showing u what i mean
[09:28] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: well as bob2 says, you need to get info from the authors or a forum for the app
[09:29] <cafuego> wtf! Something just spun down and turned off. But WHAT??
[09:29] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: what do you need from my screenshot?
[09:29] <aru> you would think with as much as people express their hate for Windows, they would know how to spell it
[09:29] <robotgeek> lol
[09:29] <rgranholm> thor: think you can download the program real quick and give it a test run, maybe there is something simple ia m not doing...hmm yeah i cant find a forum on them but i will try
[09:29] <Loki> Hah I know how to spell "windows" I just have a dislike for them.
[09:29] <vinux> FreeBSD sucks
[09:29] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: I'm on dialup here :)
[09:29] <mebaran151> bob2: it panics saying that the initrd isnt big enough
[09:30] <aru> vinux: offtopic
[09:30] <mebaran151> it tries to access outside the space alotted
[09:30] <vinux> aru, yea sorry but will deserved statement :)
[09:30] <mebaran151> vinux: it seems ok
[09:30] <robotgeek> "no bsd is dead" in #ubuntu
[09:30] <rgranholm> thor:bummer
[09:30] <bob2> mebaran151: when using hoary?
[09:30] <aru> vinux: go to college and study English
[09:30] <mebaran151> matters
[09:30] <cafuego> Is there an Ubuntu Hurd yet?
[09:30] <mrd`> No.
[09:30] <mebaran151> Hoary randomly locks up
[09:30] <Loki> hey bob2 can i get ya to come over to #flood in a minute
[09:30] <knowledge_> ok, since I ran out of ideas...would a restart solve me "  Depends: libxft2 (=2.1.2-6ubuntu1) but 2.1.7-1 is to be installed
[09:30] <knowledge_>  Depends: libfontconfig1-dev but it is not going to be installed" problem?
[09:30] <Loki> nvm
[09:30] <mebaran151> while it installs
[09:31] <mebaran151> I got it on
[09:31] <keikoz> cafuego : i doubt
[09:31] <bob2> cafuego: someone actually wants to do it
[09:31] <Loki> this is how he has his bios set up...
[09:31] <mebaran151> and it ant assign a device to my soundcard
[09:31] <keikoz> ah
[09:31] <bob2> knowledge_: reinstall, I already told you
[09:31] <cafuego> bob2: arrrgh
[09:31] <keikoz> :o)
[09:31] <mebaran151> it just refuses too
[09:31] <Loki> USB Storage Device
[09:31] <Loki> Internal HDD
[09:31] <Loki> CD/DVD/CD-RW Drive
[09:31] <Loki> Cardbus NIC
[09:31] <Loki> Onboard NIC
[09:31] <mebaran151> I know it aint my hardware
[09:31] <bob2> knowledge_: you screwed it up by using non-ubuntu apt sources
[09:31] <mebaran151> it took 5 days of gentoo compiling in stried
[09:31] <robotgeek> Loki: paste to #flood
[09:31] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: sounds like you are just making some simple error trying to install the thing - but since no-one here has ever heard of it, you're out of luck it seems
[09:31] <knowledge_> bob2, I'm looking for a way around that....I want to use that as my last resort
[09:31] <ricosuave17> robotgeek: http://img27.imageshack.us/my.php?image=desktop0kc13bm.png
[09:31] <rgranholm> tho: i suppose so....frustrating
[09:31] <bob2> knowledge_: use apt-show-versions to remove all the non-ubuntu packages you installed
[09:32] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: perhaps there's another program with similar functionality?
[09:32] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: what do u need from my desktop?
[09:32] <vinux> aru, so are you not smart enough to understand me?
[09:32] <knowledge_> bob2, same as reinstalling
[09:32] <Loki> done robotgeek
[09:32] <ricosuave17> looky at the pic
[09:32] <_icebreaker_> how can i test if graphic hardware acceleration is enabled
[09:32] <keikoz> run tuxracer :o)
[09:32] <keikoz> or enemy territory
[09:32] <_icebreaker_> ;(
[09:33] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: okay? but what abt the arrow? i don't get it...can u just explain it to me?
[09:33] <bob2> knowledge_: no, it's not
[09:33] <bob2> knowledge_: and it's what you actually have to do
[09:33] <ricosuave17> ok ill try
[09:33] <rgranholm> thor: not really, its incredible, you should check it out, I log into my local computer at home in NY i am in PA and control the desktop with its very own GUI, in live time, works great among a million other uses, with barely any setup
[09:33] <bob2> in future, just don't break apt to begin with
[09:33] <robotgeek> Loki: does it work?
[09:33] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: bash: ./KDXClient.lexe: Permission denied   << have you made it executable?
[09:33] <yahalom> hey guys i need help. i'm on dsl now cos my ubuntu cant connect to the net properly. i can ping google and yahoo. i get valid dns entries. i cant update or surf the web or use irssi. weird thing is when i do apt-get update it tries to connect to 1.0.0.0 and irssi also. any ideas? thanx.
[09:33] <ricosuave17> like how do u make it so that the windows that appear down there pile up one on top of each other instead of side by side like they normally r
[09:34] <Loki> what work?
[09:34] <Loki> lol sorry am a bit tired.
[09:34] <Loki> ubuntu? no
[09:34] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: sudo chmod +x KDXClient.lexe  << try that
[09:34] <robotgeek> Loki: i understand...maybe some coffee would help!
[09:34] <Loki> lol
[09:34] <Loki> pepsi :P
[09:34] <Dr_Melectaus> does anyone know how to get shared network files to appear on a windows machine ? i have it working the other way around, but want  some of my ubuntu file to appear as well
[09:35] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: i just have one window per desktop, so i don't really do anything
[09:35] <arpan> hi, i am running Ubuntu on my PC and my friend is doing the same on his laptop. He has d'loaded loads of repositories on his laptop, and I wanted to copy his repositories on to my Ubuntu
[09:35] <arpan> is it possible?
[09:35] <vinux> aru, yea very few people know english well. It's funny, the ones who do seem alittle out of place lol. You know using big words and all that nobody understands haha
[09:35] <esac_> currently just setup dircproxy
[09:35] <ricosuave17> then what r the arrows for?
[09:35] <yahalom> anybody?
[09:35] <Dr_Melectaus> ive been in system>admin>shared folders
[09:35] <arpan> I hope it is clear what I want to do
[09:35] <robotgeek> arpan: apt-zip & apt-move
[09:35] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: also if that doesn't help google freenx and nxclient
[09:35] <esac_> Dr_Melectaus: Samba
[09:35] <Loki> But what he needs to know is how to get over to /target where his hard drive is mounted
[09:36] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: and nomachine NX
[09:36] <arpan> robotgeek, can u please elaborate what u r saying?
[09:36] <Dr_Melectaus> esac_, care to explain a little bit more please :)
[09:36] <yahalom> thoreauputic, any idea what this 1.0.0.0 is?
[09:36] <Dr_Melectaus> esac_, i have samba installed
[09:36] <arpan> i am kinda nwe to ubuntu
[09:36] <Dr_Melectaus> but how do i get the files to appear on the dows machine
[09:36] <rgranholm> thor: well it didnt give me an error but it didnt do anything and what are those programs you suggested?
[09:36] <thoreauputic> yahalom: I haven't been following , sorry
[09:36] <ricosuave17> well it would be nice to be able to pile the windows up that way
[09:36] <robotgeek> arpan: as far as i know, those two program have that functionality...u might have to read the man page.
[09:36] <yahalom> hey guys i need help. i'm on dsl now cos my ubuntu cant connect to the net properly. i can ping google and yahoo. i get valid dns entries. i cant update or surf the web or use irssi. weird thing is when i do apt-get update it tries to connect to 1.0.0.0 and irssi also. any ideas? thanx.
[09:36] <JayParadise> how can i make cron run a script every 9999 seconds?
[09:37] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: if it gave no error, try running it again
[09:37] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: i dont pile up windows!
[09:37] <esac_> Dr_Melectaus: im using kubuntu, in KDE control center there is samba configuration for how to share files with windows machines, hardcore way is to edit /etc/samba/smb.conf
[09:37] <JayParadise> 99999*
[09:37] <JayParadise> \
[09:37] <yahalom> thoreauptic see above plz
[09:37] <ricosuave17> well i do like at the status bar level
[09:37] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: that should have made it executable
[09:37] <rgranholm> woah! got it
[09:37] <knowledge_> bob2, libfontconfig1 is my problem (I think) and when I'm trying to remove that, it's trying to remove at least 100 other packages, including gnome
[09:37] <bob2> knowledge_: of course, you can't just remove it
[09:37] <Loki> hey bob2
[09:37] <bob2> knowledge_: you need to install the proper version
[09:37] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: running?
[09:37] <bob2> knowledge_: sudo apt-get install libfontconfig1=1.2.3ubuntu1
[09:38] <rgranholm> thor: i dont know if it was that command or what...but i just dragged the .lexe file INTO the terminal, hit return and it launched...beautiful!
[09:38] <psychonate> Loki, are you the Loki of SN?
[09:38] <bob2> hi Loki
[09:38] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: it was that command, yes
[09:38] <necrogami> !find wxpython
[09:38] <ubotu> wxpython2.5.3: (wxWidgets Cross-platform C++ GUI toolkit (wxPython common files)), section universe/python, is optional. Version: 2.5.3.2ubuntu4 (hoary), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 152 kB
[09:38] <Loki> how do i get over to the hard drive that is mounted in /target?
[09:38] <necrogami> gah i need 2.6
[09:38] <rgranholm> thor: awesome, what did that command do?
[09:38] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: to run a script you make it executable with chmod +x
[09:38] <zenrox> Loki,  in a terminal cd /target
[09:39] <bob2> Loki: "get over to" is highly unclear
[09:39] <zenrox> or put /target in to open location in nautilus
[09:39] <Loki> Ah my apologies
[09:39] <Iceman-AMD64> Boy worries me, shrinking the partition to install ubuntu ... ? any advice ...
[09:39] <robotgeek> Loki: there are a lot more ppl now, explain ur problem!! in detail!
[09:39] <bob2> Iceman-AMD64: do you have backups?
[09:39] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: this is one reason it's hard to make viruse etc for linux - they won't "just run"
[09:39] <Loki> Will do
[09:39] <zenrox> bob2,  ill guess at the unclear ones
[09:39] <rgranholm> thor: weird how its a script, is there anyway i can add it to the launcher panel now, or do i have to type it everytime?
[09:40] <Iceman-AMD64> bob2 clean install ... so not a worry ... just would have to spend the time to reinstall Windows xp 64 bit ...
[09:40] <bob2> yes, we can all guess at what Loki means, but that doesn't really solve the problem
[09:40] <Iceman-AMD64> looking at installing UBUNTU 64
[09:40] <rgranholm> thor: yeah, thats awesome, built in security...same goes for unix on mac
[09:40] <zenrox> true
[09:40] <Loki> lol!
[09:40] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: if the script runs the program, just make a launcher and type in the path to the script
[09:40] <rgranholm> thor: how do i make a launcher?
[09:41] <Iceman-AMD64> Is the UBUNTU installer fairly streight foward on the partitioning
[09:41] <bob2> Iceman-AMD64: yes
[09:41] <Iceman-AMD64> bob2 ... back later .. lets see how it goes
[09:41] <aru> Iceman-AMD64: you have much linux experience?
[09:41] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: *grin* try right-click on panel, add custom launcher or similar
[09:41] <Iceman-AMD64> Have unstalled it at least 10 times on its own harddrive ...
[09:42] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: I'm using a different window manager so that's from memory
[09:42] <Iceman-AMD64> so this is my first duel boot install in several years
[09:42] <knowledge_> bob2, so i just have to find out what the exact version is that I need correct?
[09:42] <rgranholm> thor: nice, that was basic...i am still learning this GUI, and obviously the unix/linux commands in general
[09:43] <aru> Iceman-AMD64: then you shouldn't have a problem, maybe for someone straight out of windows 98 it might be difficult
[09:43] <robotgeek> would anyone know if a firewire to usb convertor is independant of the OS , and would it work in linux?
[09:43] <epitron> hrm.. if i build and install a program myself, is there a way to make an empty placeholder package so that dependencies can be satisfied?
[09:43] <aru> Iceman-AMD64: if anything just quit before writing the table :)
[09:43] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: BTW - if you want me to notice your posts type thore <tab> to complete my nick
[09:43] <epitron> or do i have to build it then make it into a .deb?
[09:43] <Iceman-AMD64> robotgeek ... what boot manager should i use ./
[09:43] <rgranholm> thoreauputic, example
[09:43] <rgranholm> thoreauputic, that work?
[09:43] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: like that
[09:43] <thoreauputic> yup
[09:43] <rgranholm> thoreauputic, very cool
[09:43] <gm78> I hate samba :-P
[09:43] <robotgeek> grub?
[09:43] <bob2> knowledge_: that's a start
[09:44] <thoreauputic> same as bash in a terminal
[09:44] <robotgeek> i dunno, i've only used yaboot!
[09:44] <Iceman-AMD64> ok ... back in latter ... hopefule in linux
[09:44] <Iceman-AMD64> thanks
[09:44] <aru> thoreauputic: thanks for saying that, I was about to ask if he had a tab key :)
[09:44] <aru> thoreauputic: I kept scrolling up to see who thor was
[09:44] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: you can tab in the terminal as well for completion
[09:44] <rgranholm> i'm a newb, i admit it
[09:44] <rgranholm> thoreauputic, yeah i knew about that
[09:44] <robotgeek> even in xchat :)
[09:44] <thoreauputic> rgranholm:  http://tuxfiles.org
[09:45] <knowledge_> when I try to do "apt-get install libfontconfig1" it says newest is already installed...is there anyway to force it?
[09:45] <rgranholm> thoreauputic,  whats that? man this dinky old machine running this GUI is almost faster at doing simple tasks then my g5 imac
[09:46] <aru> :)
[09:46] <robotgeek> rgranholm: welcome to linux!
[09:46] <psychonate> I wish tab would work when looking up man pages though :(
[09:46] <Loki> Okay seeing as how he is going to reinstall ubuntu in expert mode. What is the fastest way to do that? Also i don't think i mentioned he has a Pentium M and if there is a different distro for that or not. But any help would be appreciated once again
[09:46] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: the tuxfiles URL is a good starting point for learning basic commands etc
[09:46] <psychonate> you can't use tab to complete the name in 'man whatever'
[09:46] <robotgeek> psychonate: what do u mean?
[09:47] <robotgeek> psychonate: oh okay...
[09:47] <thoreauputic> psychonate: you can if you enable completion in /etc/bash.bashrc
[09:47] <robotgeek> Loki: did u already not install ubuntu on that external drive?
[09:47] <psychonate> for instance, 'man xscreens'; tab won't complete "xscreensaver"
[09:47] <rgranholm> thoreauputic, gotcha, thanks...alright now ia m gonna see if the KDX server will work with the same command, what was it again?
[09:47] <robotgeek> psychonate: i have my tabs case insensistive...very helpful!
[09:48] <psychonate> thoreauputic, are you sure? I already have tab completion. It just doesn't work in that case.
[09:48] <Loki> We did but trying again
[09:48] <aru> I'm a jackass, I never new tab did anything in the console
[09:48] <psychonate> I've always wondered why they did set that up
[09:48] <mrd`> bob2: Just in case you're interested, I rebooted the server that I couldn't get tunnel X11 from... and now it suddenly works.  (Especially odd since I'd restarted the networking and ssh scripts each several times to no avail.)
[09:48] <psychonate> s/did/didn't
[09:48] <thoreauputic> psychonate: it will if you look at that file and enable it there - man xscreen <tab> works here
[09:48] <robotgeek> Loki: alrite, cool...have fun...and "and may the source be with you"
[09:49] <psychonate> thoreauputic, ah, I see. How is enabled by default then?
[09:49] <Loki> thanks guys =-) enjoy your night.
[09:49] <robotgeek> thoreauputic: doesn't work for me, lemme vi my .bashrc open!
[09:49] <psychonate> thoreauputic, I mean, how, otherwise, do I have it enabled?
[09:49] <bob2> mrd`: very odd
[09:49] <thoreauputic> psychonate: in /etc/bash.bashrc uncomment the block under # enable bash completion in interactive shells
[09:50] <psychonate> yeah, I gotcha
[09:50] <mrd`> bob2: Indeed... but, anyways it's working now... thanks for at least reassuring me earlier that I wasn't insane and missing something obvious. :)
[09:50] <thoreauputic> psychonate: of course it will only work with a new login or if you source it directly
[09:50] <psychonate> I was just curious as to how it can/is enabled apart from that.
[09:51] <psychonate> thoreauputic, anyway, it works well now. Thanks :)
[09:51] <robotgeek> thoreauputic: it works well, thanks
[09:52] <thoreauputic> psychonate: :) you're welcome
[09:52] <thoreauputic> works with sudo as well, you'll find
[09:52] <psychonate> ah, excellent
[09:52] <robotgeek> thoreauputic: while i was at it, also enabled color prompt
[09:52] <psychonate> I wish it had been enabled that way by default, but at least this way I learned something I guess :)
[09:53] <AMCDeathKnight> How can i refresh the desktop? as it has frozen
[09:53] <thoreauputic> robotgeek: I like plain black and white ;)
[09:53] <zenrox> AMCDeathKnight, alt + ctrl +backspace
[09:53] <learn25> is kylix compatible with ubuntu?
[09:53] <robotgeek> thoreauputic: no harm in trying out colors, though i found the man autocomplete a bit slow, and distracting!
[09:53] <zenrox> that was quick
[09:53] <bob2> er
[09:53] <bob2> that's a pretty bad solution
[09:54] <bob2> "pkill nautilus" is far less destructive
[09:54] <robotgeek> lol
[09:54] <thoreauputic> robotgeek: yes, it isn't always instant
[09:54] <ricosuave17> pkill sound funny
[09:54] <psychonate> I was just happy to see that it works
[09:54] <psychonate> That had sort of bugged me for a while.
[09:54] <AMCDeathKnight> wtf
[09:54] <rgranholm> thoreauputic, do i have to type chmod +x everytime now or only once?
[09:54] <robotgeek> lol, AMCDeathKnight
[09:54] <AMCDeathKnight> omg
[09:54] <AMCDeathKnight> my computer is stuffed
[09:55] <AMCDeathKnight> nothing will load anymore
[09:55] <AMCDeathKnight> and i lost my download
[09:55] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: you don't have to do it again - it's executable now
[09:55] <bob2> try to use commas and full stops as punctuation, rather than new lines
[09:55] <Dr_Melectaus> does anyone know how to get shared network files to appear on a windows machine ? i have it working the other way around, but want  some of my ubuntu files to appear as well. i have samba installed on the ubuntu machine. And on the dows machine im at the Add Network place wizard on the "internet or network address" page. Ive put in \\192.168.0.151\home but its not haveing any luck, and ive also tried every other shared folder ive got
[09:55] <aru> bob2: :)
[09:55] <robotgeek> Computer__Guru: hi
[09:55] <rgranholm> thoreauputic, even if i restart?
[09:55] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: chmod changes the mode or permissions
[09:55] <Computer__Guru> Hai!
[09:55] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: even after that yes
[09:55] <AMCDeathKnight> what did that do? delete everything?
[09:56] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: the change is permanent
[09:56] <Dr_Melectaus> i also tried the windows shareing options in the shared folders menu, with the wins server settings. but nothing made a difference
[09:56] <robotgeek> AMCDeathKnight: that restarted your Xserver
[09:56] <AMCDeathKnight> i lost all my files!
[09:59] <thoreauputic> rgranholm:  man chmod  ;)
[09:59] <bob2> if you lost files, your disk is screwed
[09:59] <AMCDeathKnight> i cant even right click my desktop anymore
[09:59] <AMCDeathKnight> or open home folder
[09:59] <psychonate> alright, time to watch Gwar Live from Antarctica and got to sleep
[09:59] <Hoani> Hello
[09:59] <knowledge_> I really think I'm screwed
[09:59] <knowledge_> and I never thought I would say that
[09:59] <Dr_Melectaus> please someone?
[09:59] <bob2> asking once is plenty
[10:00] <_icebreaker_> someone tried to run wow with winex/cedega?
[10:00] <knowledge_> Computer__Guru, may I msg you for a question?
[10:00] <rgranholm> thoreauputic, thanks for all your help...take it easy
[10:01] <vinux> oh nooo bob2 left! What will we do now? He seems like he knows everything. Really it seems like he does
[10:01] <thoreauputic> rgranholm: you're welcome - enjoy :)
[10:01] <robotgeek> vinux: he pretty much does!
[10:01] <knowledge_> vinux, believe me...there are a lot of people in here taht know what to say
[10:02] <vinux> knowledge_, yes i'm sure some people have alot of knowledge_
[10:02] <knowledge_> true
[10:02] <aru> vinux: are you having a bad day?
[10:02] <vinux> hehe
[10:02] <knowledge_> I sure as hell am
[10:03] <knowledge_> I think I'm going to have to reinstall because of one package
[10:03] <aru> neat
[10:03] <knowledge_> oh yeah
[10:03] <esac_> isnt 255.255.255.0 a 24 bit netmask ?
[10:03] <Madpilot> knowledge_: that seems like overkill...
[10:03] <vinux> knowledge_, wow what's up?
[10:03] <knowledge_> that's what bob2 was saying
[10:03] <ricosuave17> YAY overkill
[10:03] <gm78> Could someone please help me with Samba? I am setting up a CentOS server which is going to have a Ubuntu desktop, a Windows 2000 desktop and a Windows XP Desktop connect to it. Here is my /etc/samba/smbpasswd file http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/835  Here is my /etc/samba/smbusers file  http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/836  And here is my /etc/samba/smb.conf file  http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/837  Whenever I try to connect to the server from either W
[10:04] <gm78> indows or Ubuntu, it asks for a user name and password. When I enter in the proper information, it asks for it again, not allowing me to connect. Can anyone here see a problem with these files, i looked and i cannot
[10:04] <aru> !samba
[10:04] <ubotu> rumour has it, samba is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[10:04] <aru> WOOT!
[10:04] <ricosuave17> what is samba
[10:04] <aru> ricosuave17: check that link
[10:04] <knowledge_> hhmmmm
[10:04] <ricosuave17> i like smaba
[10:04] <knowledge_> let's tryyy
[10:04] <aru> gm78: you too
[10:04] <gm78> ubotu, would help if the instructions actually worked
[10:04] <aru> and also
[10:04] <ubotu> gm78: I give up, what is it?
[10:04] <knowledge_> !libfontconfig
[10:04] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, knowledge_
[10:04] <knowledge_> damn
[10:05] <knowledge_> !fontconfig
[10:05] <knowledge_> ?
[10:05] <ubotu> I don't know, knowledge_
[10:05] <knowledge_> of course not
[10:05] <ricosuave17> hey ubotu
[10:05] <gm78> aru, yeah, i really do hate samba right now...bloody thing wont work at all
[10:05] <Madpilot> knowledge_: what are you looking for?
[10:05] <aru> what is you problem package?
[10:06] <ricosuave17> hey ubotu r u ok
[10:06] <Madpilot> ubotu good bot
[10:06] <ubotu> :)
[10:06] <aru> knowledge_ that is
[10:06] <ricosuave17> ubotu: talk to me damn it
[10:06] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, ricosuave17
[10:06] <ricosuave17> ubotu: i love you bot
[10:06] <ubotu> ricosuave17: I give up, what is it?
[10:06] <knowledge_> Madpilot, I'm trying to figure out how to revert to the original fontconfig and libfontconfig that came with ubuntu originally
[10:06] <aru> ricosuave17: careful
[10:06] <gm78> I followed all of the instructions, am using the same options as on a Ubuntu server serving the exact same services, and the stupid thing won't work
[10:06] <aru> why did you change it? :)
[10:06] <knowledge_> didn't even know I did araw1
[10:06] <ricosuave17> am i abusing the bot?
[10:06] <gm78> aru, second server....i want this one to have a longer lifespan than 18 months
[10:06] <knowledge_> aru, **
[10:06] <ricosuave17> ubotu: lets run away together
[10:06] <ubotu> ricosuave17: Bugger all, i dunno
[10:06] <Madpilot> knowledge_: ah - and of course Linux is design to helpfully save your config/conf files when you change things - ouch...
[10:07] <DekaPink> Huh...
[10:07] <ZincX> which one is the best mp3 player
[10:07] <ZincX> ?
[10:07] <aru> ZincX: beep
[10:07] <Madpilot> ZincX: totem - or Muine, for albums
[10:07] <knowledge_> Madpilot, is that a good thing?
[10:07] <ZincX> Maddy, my totem doesnt play mp3
[10:08] <Madpilot> knowledge_: normally it would be, but if something breaks it seems like it's hard to get the defaults back...
[10:08] <aru> !mp3
[10:08] <ubotu> [mp3]  read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[10:08] <knowledge_> I see
[10:08] <ZincX> Madpilot, my totem doesnt play mp3
[10:08] <aru> ZincX: check that out
[10:08] <gm78> ZincX, install gstreamer0.8-mad
[10:08] <gm78> ZincX, this will allow rhythmbox and totem to play mp3's
[10:08] <knowledge_> yeah, because when I'm trying to remove the package that's installed now...it wants to remove EVERY other package too
[10:08] <aru> knowledge_: you didn't tell me why you changed those :)
[10:08] <ZincX> gm78, oiks..
[10:09] <aru> ZincX: if you check the link ubotu pasted you wont have to come back and ask for dvd support tomorrow :)
[10:09] <ricosuave17> ubotu: lets run away together
[10:09] <ubotu> ricosuave17: Are you smoking crack?
[10:10] <knowledge_> aru, I didn't even know I changed them...I just did what ubuntuguide told me (I know I know)....for the repositories...and well...I'm kicking myself now
[10:10] <drayen> Feeling a little dumb this morning - trying to get firefox to work with my jdk, but cant find the javaplugin_oji.so???
[10:10] <ricosuave17> ubotu: yes r u
[10:10] <ubotu> ricosuave17: Wish i knew
[10:10] <aru> and then on monday when the Al Franken show is streamed in Real Audio, you won't have to scramble to get that working either :)
[10:10] <ricosuave17> ubotu: lol
[10:10] <ubotu> ricosuave17: Are you smoking crack?
[10:10] <nooorm> bonsoir
[10:10] <thoreauputic> ricosuave17: stop please
[10:10] <Madpilot> ricosuave17: you can abuse the bot in /msg if you really must...
[10:10] <aru> ricosuave17: you better be careful
[10:11] <nooorm> je suis saoul et je me cherche une fille
[10:11] <thoreauputic> ricosuave17: next time we'll call ops - OK ?
[10:11] <aru> nooorm: english?
[10:11] <Madpilot> !fr
[10:11] <nooorm> sure
[10:11] <ubotu> fr is probably http://fr.ubuntuguide.org/ "Merci" to fr.ubuntuguide.org ; join #ubuntu-es or #kubuntu-es
[10:11] <aru> or that
[10:11] <aru> :)
[10:11] <ricosuave17> why cant i enjoy my friend the boy
[10:11] <ricosuave17> why cant i enjoy my friend the bot
[10:11] <Madpilot> nooorm: see ubutu's line for info in french
[10:11] <nooorm> i won't play around tonite, I want women
[10:11] <persia> Anybody feel like troubleshooting jack with polypaudio today?
[10:11] <thoreauputic> ricosuave17:  /msg ubotu sillystuff
[10:11] <aru> oh awesome
[10:11] <rkinder> persia: sounds like jack needs to see a doctor...
[10:11] <viyyer> hi I am setting up dialup internet connection on warty machine
[10:11] <nooorm> come and get m e
[10:13] <knowledge_> aru, any ideas?
[10:13] <nooorm> I want women now
[10:13] <aru> knowledge_: reinstall :)
[10:13] <gm78> You know....if Windows Services for Unix didn't suck so much and never work...i would consider switching to NFS
[10:13] <knowledge_> aru, you too huh?
[10:13] <viyyer> I'm using pppdconfig
[10:13] <aru> OH!
[10:13] <AMCDeathKnight> what would you say is the difference between ubuntu and debian?
[10:13] <nooorm> I don't fell like playing around, I want women tonite
[10:13] <aru> and as for that guide... don't bother with it next time :)
[10:13] <rkinder> nooorm: probably the wrong channel to pick up women...
[10:13] <knowledge_> aru, figured that out all on my own
[10:13] <nooorm> please bear with me rkinder
[10:13] <aru> :)
[10:13] <viyyer> even though pppd gets started . ppp0 interface is not up
[10:13] <Madpilot> !uguide
[10:13] <ubotu> Madpilot: I don't know, could you explain it?
[10:13] <Madpilot> !ubuntuguide
[10:13] <ubotu> ubuntuguide is, like, a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[10:13] <aru> knowledge_: you'll be an expert at installing soon :)
[10:13] <knowledge_> aru, I masterd that with Mandrake
[10:13] <nooorm> Hi ru
[10:13] <nooorm> Hi Aru
[10:13] <aru> nope
[10:14] <aru> don't even start with me
[10:14] <knowledge_> lol
[10:14] <nooorm> ok ...
[10:14] <aru> I'm off to bed and you are not invited
[10:14] <nooorm> no problem
[10:14] <nooorm> I'll get elsewhere
[10:14] <Iceman_AMD64> Humm, no sound in linux
[10:15] <persia> Iceman_AMD64: What card / what program?
[10:15] <Iceman_AMD64> opps, prejudged, need to config it ...
[10:16] <Iceman_AMD64> Now to install KDE
[10:16] <Iceman_AMD64> whats the package name for K-Desktop
[10:16] <Xyc0> Does anyone else here find that Nautilus' moving of the file browser gets annoying as hell?
[10:17] <Xyc0> pretty sure its kde
[10:17] <Iceman_AMD64> kdesktop, anything else needed
[10:17] <thoreauputic> Iceman_AMD64: kubuntu-desktop
[10:17] <AndieB> How do I install Java? I find a some Java and Java2 Common packages, but I only get an error message when trying i the Program meny go to Settings and Javacontrolpanel cannot be fount?? (I'm a newbie)
[10:21] <Iceman_AMD64> kdesktop... installes KDE ...
[10:21] <thoreauputic> !java
[10:21] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[10:21] <Iceman_AMD64> What the session manager ... o will it automatic install
[10:21] <ricosuave17> ubotu: opme
[10:21] <ubotu> Wish i knew, ricosuave17
[10:21] <ricosuave17> ubotu: !opme
[10:21] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, ricosuave17
[10:21] <hepi> hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[10:21] <ricosuave17> !opme
[10:21] <thoreauputic> ricosuave17: last warning
[10:21] <hepi> hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhtttttttttttttttttiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[10:21] <vinux> hhhhheeelllllllllooooo
[10:21] <Iceman_AMD64> brb i hope in kde ...
[10:21] <hepi> jhjuyu
[10:21] <Xyc0> How do you get Nautilus to stop moving the browser window all over the screen?
[10:21] <Madpilot> ricosuave17: "/msg ubotu <whatever> if you *have* to keep poking the bot...
[10:21] <knowledge_> libfontconfig1-dev:
[10:21] <knowledge_>   Depends: libfontconfig1 (=2.2.3-4ubuntu7) but 2.3.2-1 is to be installed
[10:21] <thoreauputic> ricosuave17: don't /msg me
[10:21] <knowledge_> can some one decypher that?
[10:21] <hepi> hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[10:21] <ricosuave17> then how do i talk to u?
[10:21] <stjepan> heya
[10:21] <stjepan> I have a problem
[10:21] <ricosuave17> i do 2
[10:21] <stjepan> I can't install Ubuntu 5.04
[10:21] <Xyc0> talk right here
[10:21] <Xyc0> no?
[10:21] <ricosuave17> ye
[10:21] <knowledge_> stjepan, what's the problem
[10:21] <stjepan> there appears error at installing base
[10:21] <vinux> knowledge_, it means you are in trouble!
[10:21] <Xyc0> where did you get your CD?
[10:21] <knowledge_> vinux, I've established that
[10:21] <stjepan> it says I have to burn cd at lower speed
[10:21] <Xyc0> ? thats odd
[10:21] <knowledge_> stjepan, I had the same problems....I just ordered the free cd's and it installed just fine
[10:21] <stjepan> CD worked 15 days
[10:21] <vinux> knowledge_, oh sorry I didn't know "giggles" :)
[10:21] <Xyc0> what speed are the disks?
[10:21] <stjepan> I mean
[10:21] <stjepan> CD worked about 15 days
[10:21] <stjepan> but now it won't
[10:21] <stjepan> :(
[10:21] <Xyc0> knowledge_: they havnt been shipping lately
[10:21] <Xyc0> Is it a live cd?
[10:21] <knowledge_> really?
[10:21] <stjepan> no
[10:21] <knowledge_> I had 5 sent to me
[10:21] <stjepan> Install CD
[10:21] <Xyc0> knowledge_: I ordered more cause I gave away all mine, its been a month since then
[10:21] <vinux> knowledge_, I had ten and I handed out 3
[10:21] <Xyc0> knowledge_: I think they are waiting for breezy
[10:21] <vinux> so far
[10:21] <knowledge_> Xyc0, yeah, it took me a while
[10:21] <stjepan> maybe damaged CD???????
[10:22] <Xyc0> I go to lan parties an preach
[10:22] <Iceman_AMD64> ok, how to set up the session manager to get kde working ..
[10:22] <Xyc0> stjepan: what speed are your CD-Rs?
[10:22] <knowledge_> this damn problem is killing me
[10:22] <stjepan> Xyc0: It is not problem with speed
[10:23] <Xyc0> Iceman_AMD64: System > Admin > Login
[10:23] <knowledge_> I refuse to believe that reinstalling is my only solution
[10:23] <stjepan> because CD worked half a month ago
[10:23] <Iceman_AMD64> xyc0 no option for kde ... and i did aptitude inatall kdesktop
[10:23] <stjepan> and I have installed Ubuntu few times with exactly that CD
[10:23] <thoreauputic> Iceman_AMD64:  aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[10:23] <vinux> knowledge_, well belief doesn't solve all problems :)
[10:23] <stjepan> but now I can't
[10:23] <Katrus> Eve, all.
[10:23] <Iceman_AMD64> t y
[10:24] <thoreauputic> Iceman_AMD64: as I told you a while ago...
[10:24] <knowledge_> vinux, yeah, neither does google....or anything else I've tried
[10:24] <Xyc0> Iceman_AMD64: Ive never tried to isntall KDE from ubuntu, i just know that is where you turn on the session mngr
[10:24] <robotgeek> it's actually abt 3:00 am in the morning, and i am on my last beer!
[10:24] <Iceman_AMD64> thought it used to be kdesktop ...
[10:24] <yahalom> can nobody help me my internet connection issue?
[10:24] <Xyc0> kubuntu
[10:24] <Xyc0> the kubuntu packages install kds
[10:24] <Xyc0> kde
[10:24] <vinux> knowledge_, hmmm well I wish you luck. Take care i'm off to bed
[10:24] <stjepan> oh
[10:24] <knowledge_> later mann
[10:24] <knowledge_> have a good night
[10:24] <Iceman_AMD64> got to see ho well 64 bit linux wirks
[10:24] <vinux> you too
[10:26] <Xyc0> knowledge_: I missed your problem, wanna recap for me?
[10:26] <stjepan> can I install KDE for Ubuntu from Kubuntu CD?
[10:26] <Katrus> Stupid newb question here - just installed and upgraded kubuntu. Is there a package I can install to get it so recognize n' mount my ntfs partitions read only?
[10:26] <tikka> tikka@smeg:~$ glxinfo | grep render
[10:26] <tikka> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[10:26] <tikka> help :D
[10:26] <Xyc0> Katrus: it is read only, but yes
[10:26] <knowledge_> Xyc0, libfontconfig1-dev:  Depends: libfontconfig1 (=2.2.3-4ubuntu7) but 2.3.2-1 is to be installed
[10:26] <Iceman_AMD64> anyone have the link to the nvidia drivers install procedure
[10:26] <Xyc0> tikka: ubuntu uses xorg??
[10:26] <Katrus> I only need read only. I just wanna be able to play the MP3s and watch the movies on that partition.
[10:26] <ricosuave17> YES IT DOES
[10:26] <Xyc0> knowledge_: are you trying to compile?
[10:26] <ricosuave17> now STFU
[10:26] <knowledge_> yeap
[10:26] <robotgeek> Katrus: u don't really need a package
[10:26] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: language
[10:26] <Xyc0> knowledge_: what are you compiling, it could be a dep hell
[10:26] <ricosuave17> i am sorry mr roboto
[10:26] <exhu> a question about kernel patches: should I apply all patches (including 2.6.11.x ) to upgrade kernel from 2.6.1 to 2.6.13
[10:26] <knowledge_> Xyc0, it is
[10:26] <Xyc0> exhu: why?
[10:27] <vladuz976> are there any advantages using aptitude over apt-get
[10:27] <Xyc0> knowledge_: then reinstalling wont do anything
[10:27] <robotgeek> okay, mr ricosuave17 you are quite irritating. congrats...u've made my ignore list!
[10:27] <Iceman_AMD64> Anyone know if their clustering linux on the AMD 64 yet ...
[10:27] <knowledge_> Xyc0, that's the only package that's giving me problems...if I could install the older version, I would be good
[10:27] <tikka> Xyc0 yes seems to :)
[10:27] <poningru> ok what happend?
[10:27] <Xyc0> vladuz976: if you arn't having problems with apt-get, stick with it
[10:27] <poningru> robotgeek: what happedn?
[10:27] <knowledge_> Xyc0, my problem started when I used the "ubuntuguide"
[10:27] <besfred> where can i find the hoary-extras archive?
[10:27] <Xyc0> nice
[10:27] <vladuz976> Xyc0,  i am just wondering what the differnce is
[10:28] <Iceman_AMD64> brb .. see if kde is available
[10:28] <Xyc0> besfred: open synaptic and edit repositories
[10:28] <robotgeek> poningru: just find him a bit too irritating and pushy
[10:28] <Katrus> Last time I used Linux, it was 1.2.13 kernel. Things have changed a tiny bit
[10:28] <Xyc0> knowledge_: well, you can always replace your repo list with the one you backed up
[10:28] <besfred> Xyc0: i know. i just need the url
[10:28] <poningru> hehe
[10:28] <mebaran151> I got Hoary to go on
[10:28] <Xyc0> besfred: its already on the list, you just have to activate it thru synaptic
[10:28] <mebaran151> but I am having the same problem I did before
[10:28] <besfred> a
[10:29] <mebaran151> I can not get udev to make /dev/dsp
[10:29] <mebaran151> and I KNOW I have all the right modules
[10:29] <mebaran151> and that the ALSA modules with OSS are loaded
[10:29] <knowledge_> Xyc0, yes, but the fontconfig package that's installed along with the libfontconfig package are not the ones that came with ubuntu...and that's what is killing everything for me
[10:29] <Katrus> I shall futz with things. Later, all
[10:30] <Razor-X> the power of Linux -- it aggravates my dad so much, he may just buy me my own laptop
[10:30] <Xyc0> well, if you replace the repo list then add the official backports and activate all the repos, you can reinstall
[10:30] <yang> hello
[10:30] <Xyc0> knowledge_:
[10:30] <Razor-X> now that's power for ya ;)
[10:30] <robotgeek> Razor-X: hi
[10:30] <Razor-X> robotgeek: hey
[10:30] <mebaran151> argh, I hate ALSA problems
[10:30] <mebaran151> they never resolve
[10:30] <Xyc0> Razor-X: w00t thats what I did
[10:30] <Razor-X> mebaran151: yeah
[10:30] <robotgeek> mebaran151: me too!
[10:30] <snivitz0> What is the proper terminal command to view ip information?
[10:30] <Madpilot> Razor-X: laptop now? thought it was going to be a desktop?
[10:30] <Razor-X> it's one of the sticking points of Linux in general
[10:30] <yang> is there any Ubuntu Application CD, such that you don't have to download the package from the repository server?
[10:31] <mebaran151> robotgeek: I got the craziest one this time
[10:31] <mebaran151> the modules
[10:31] <Razor-X> Madpilot: nopes, a laptop
[10:31] <mebaran151> sthe correct modules
[10:31] <robotgeek> half the ppl around me think i am stupid for having linux installed on a powerbook
[10:31] <Razor-X> nothing special, but, better than having to live with my dad's rules
[10:31] <mebaran151> the modules noted for their completeness in the ALSA docs
[10:31] <besfred> hm. nothing there taking about hoary-extras.
[10:31] <Iceman_AMD64> well... dang it ... no optionfor kde in the sessions list
[10:31] <mebaran151> they load, but udev does not make /dev/dsp
[10:31] <mebaran151> so I can not have sound
[10:31] <mebaran151> it is a Via Envy 24PT
[10:31] <mebaran151> a nice chip
[10:31] <Xyc0> mebaran151: install libsdl1.2debian-all
[10:31] <mebaran151> very nie for onboard snd
[10:31] <robotgeek> mebaran151: crap!! i dunno anything abt that.
[10:32] <mebaran151> Xyc0: I dont have /dev/dsp
[10:32] <Xyc0> mebaran151: that might help
[10:32] <mebaran151> I have modules
[10:32] <Iceman_AMD64> how the heck to get kde to offer itself in the sessions lise
[10:32] <mebaran151> but I dont /dev/dsp
[10:32] <knowledge_> Xyc0, The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:32] <knowledge_>   libfontconfig1: Depends: fontconfig but it is not going to be installed
[10:32] <knowledge_> E: Broken packages
[10:32] <Iceman_AMD64> list
[10:32] <mebaran151> Xyc0: how
[10:32] <mebaran151> I can not get asic mixer support
[10:32] <Xyc0> synaptic
[10:33] <mebaran151> basic
[10:33] <mebaran151> no
[10:33] <mebaran151> I mean how can it help
[10:33] <mebaran151> alsa refuses to load
[10:33] <mebaran151> because amixer is passed /dev/dsp to attach to
[10:33] <Iceman_AMD64> What do i need to do to get kde to come up in the sessions list ...
[10:33] <Xyc0> mebaran151: maybe another driver will
[10:33] <Iceman_AMD64> did aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[10:34] <Xyc0> mebaran151: im not a pro dev, i just know that helped some sound driver problems
[10:34] <mebaran151> Xyc0: I've loaded every module in snd
[10:34] <mebaran151> and gentoo uses the module fine
[10:34] <Xyc0> libsdl1.2debian-all ?
[10:34] <mebaran151> i will try it
[10:34] <mebaran151> after I reinstall
[10:34] <Razor-X> mebaran151: what about /dev/dsp?
[10:34] <Xyc0> knowledge_: use synaptic to fix broken packages
[10:35] <Xyc0> I think its funny, everyone who is helping originally joined the room to get help and found none he he
[10:36] <tikka> Any suggestions guys? ati radeon, ive been following guides and the like and not getting anywhere.  Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[10:36] <robotgeek> Xyc0: it's saturday night/ or sunday morning
[10:36] <Xyc0> How do you get nautilus to stop moving the file browser all over the screen every folder you open?
[10:36] <knowledge_> Xyc0, yeah, that's why I think i'm just gonna go sleep...cause I'll get pissed and smash my computer in the floor...
[10:36] <knowledge_> good night all....
[10:36] <Xyc0> tikka: Ubunt uses xorg, not XFree
[10:36] <robotgeek> knowledge_: nite
[10:37] <tikka> Xyc0, does that mean theres a different DRI package?
[10:37] <Xyc0> What guide are you using?
[10:37] <yahalom> hey guys. my video is always choppy. any ideas? rma is on.
[10:37] <jbm_> Xyc0: use gconf-editor, set the key /apps/nautilus/preferences/always_use_browser
[10:37] <Razor-X> Xyc0: you can use XFree, though
[10:37] <Xyc0> yahalom: did you install vid card drivers?
[10:38] <tikka> Xyc0, i have been through quite a few and done alot by ear.
[10:38] <Razor-X> tikka: we don't use XFree86 by default
[10:38] <Razor-X> and, X.Org is better as well
[10:38] <robotgeek> Razor-X: i just use rox, when i have to..rarely
[10:38] <exhu> Xyc0, oh are the x.y.Z,o contain all .o versions for x.y.Z-1 ?
[10:38] <tikka> Razor-X, i ahve x-org.. so im confused here lol
[10:38] <tikka> have
[10:38] <Razor-X> my old machine only works with X-Vesa
[10:38] <Razor-X> it's a 486 though
[10:38] <tikka> my 486 was sexy
[10:39] <tikka> red hat ran like crap on it though
[10:39] <tikka> ;p
[10:39] <Razor-X> my 486 is still strumming
[10:39] <Xyc0> jbm_: hey thanks guy
[10:39] <tikka> nice
[10:39] <linlin> /home/linlin/Desktop/avidemux/avidemux-2.0.42/admin/missing: line 65: aclocal-1.8: command not found
[10:39] <linlin> WARNING: `aclocal-1.8' is needed, and you do not seem to have it handy on your system
[10:39] <tikka> what is it being used for
[10:39] <Iceman_AMD64> well see it the synaptic package manager will install kde ..
[10:39] <Razor-X> tikka: that's because RH isn't meant for a 486
[10:39] <linlin> what do i do?? :_X
[10:39] <Xyc0> kubuntu?
[10:39] <Razor-X> Iceman_AMD64: aptitude, synaptic, and apt-get use the same packages
[10:39] <tikka> Razor-X: *shruggs*
[10:39] <linlin> i checked synaptic for the package, its nowhere to be seen
[10:40] <thoreauputic> !find aclocal-1.8
[10:40] <Iceman_AMD64> razor-x did aptitude install kubuntu-desktop ... but it would not offer kde in the sessions list ...
[10:40] <robotgeek> though we should all use aptitude :)
[10:40] <ubotu> Ubuntu Search of 'aclocal-1.8' (1 shown): (/usr/bin/aclocal-1.8) in devel/automake1.8.
[10:40] <Razor-X> Iceman_AMD64: can't you edit your gdm to add it?
[10:40] <Razor-X> I mean, is that too hard people? XD
[10:40] <yahalom> Xyc0,  hey man its acting like its missing drivers. no idea where to get them. it has no agp. its built in video.
[10:41] <Iceman_AMD64> ;-( newbie here
[10:41] <Xyc0> tikka: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto?highlight=%28binary%29
[10:41] <thoreauputic> linlin: sudo apt-get install automake1.8 build-essential
[10:41] <Xyc0> yahalom: did you personally install drivers for your videocard?
[10:42] <linlin> apt-getting'
[10:42] <yahalom> Xyc0, nope. i thought that linux usually finds the right ones.
[10:42] <Xyc0> yahalom: what videocard are you using?
[10:42] <linlin> yay that fixed it :)
[10:42] <yahalom> Xyc0, no idea
[10:42] <Razor-X> try Applications->System Tools->GDM Configurator
[10:42] <yahalom> Xyc0, its built in on the motherboard
[10:42] <linlin> i had build-essential already, thought that was all i needed
[10:42] <linlin> thanks aot
[10:42] <thoreauputic> :)
[10:43] <Iceman_AMD64> Dang AMD 64 is way faster than my p4 2.8 ghz ... and it only clocks at 1800 mhz
[10:43] <Xyc0> yahalom: its usualy nice to know what hardware you are working with
[10:43] <Razor-X> hmmm, if my laptop is an AMD 64, can I use 32 bit Ubuntu, with an amd-64 kernel?
[10:44] <Razor-X> or do the ELF binaries have to be different?
[10:44] <yahalom> Xyc0, i know.
[10:44] <ricosuave17> i love u Razor-X
[10:44] <Razor-X> ricosuave17: mmmmm?
[10:44] <highvoltage> hi. I'm trying to boot a breezy ltsp-client machine, but get an error "NFS over TCP not available from 192.168.0.254" on the client. any idea what the cause of the problem can be?
[10:44] <linlin> do you love me?
[10:44] <Xyc0> Razor-X: lucky bitch, my desktop isnt even 64 bit
[10:44] <ricosuave17> do u like HIM
[10:44] <Xyc0> pardon my french
[10:44] <Razor-X> Xyc0: hahahaha!
[10:45] <Razor-X> so what?
[10:45] <Razor-X> this thing has 32 MB GPU memory
[10:45] <mebaran151> Razor-X: heheh
[10:45] <Razor-X> 256 MB RAM
[10:45] <thoreauputic> highvoltage: do you have an NFS server on the server ?
[10:45] <Xyc0> tho my laptop is one step below 64
[10:45] <Razor-X> I've been living in the dark ages for so long, and now you people envy me? hah!
[10:45] <Xyc0> hyperthreading
[10:45] <highvoltage> thoreauputic: yes
[10:45] <yahalom> Xyc0, Motherboard M863g v1.5
[10:45] <mebaran151> the kernel can process both elf's
[10:45] <ricosuave17> i hate HT
[10:45] <ricosuave17> die HT
[10:45] <highvoltage> thoreauputic: and it's running
[10:45] <mebaran151> both 32 bit and 64 bit
[10:45] <thoreauputic> highvoltage: OK
[10:45] <ricosuave17> ban plz
[10:45] <Iceman_AMD64> Razor-x i'd guess you would need the full 64 bit ... not just the kernel ...
[10:45] <mebaran151> the problem is 32 bit exec's need 32 bit libs and 32 bit objects to link against
[10:45] <thoreauputic> highvoltage: portmap OK ?
[10:45] <Razor-X> mebaran151: then what's the difference between amd64 Ubuntu, and amd32?
[10:45] <yahalom> Xyc0,  Embedded Real256E 3D Graphics with 64M share memory
[10:45] <mebaran151> hence the need for a chroot
[10:46] <highvoltage> thoreauputic: yep
[10:46] <mebaran151> you have 64 bit binaries
[10:46] <thoreauputic> hmm
[10:46] <mebaran151> with 64 bit pointers
[10:46] <Razor-X> *gasp*
[10:46] <mebaran151> that use all 128 registers rather than 64 or whatever
[10:46] <Razor-X> but, the kernel does most of the work
[10:46] <Iceman_AMD64> big math difference in 32 and 64 bit ..... billions ...
[10:46] <Dr_Melectaus> thoreauputic, im trying to force unmount a CD (install requires 3 CD's) and it says insert disc 2, so i ejected it by putting a bit of wire into the hole in my cd drive that manually opens it, but it still thinks the old CD is mounted, how do i make it kno the 2nd CD is in?
[10:46] <Razor-X> Iceman_AMD64: I know my registers
[10:46] <Razor-X> what are the extra registers, by the way?
[10:46] <mebaran151> std registers
[10:46] <Razor-X> the x86 has ax, bx, cx, dx, eax, ebx, ecx, and edx
[10:46] <ricosuave17> were is my ban
[10:47] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: oh dear :/
[10:47] <mebaran151> the AMD64 chip has twice as many registers in 32 bit as 64 bit
[10:47] <Madpilot> ricosuave17: get a freaking life. please.
[10:47] <highvoltage> ricosuave17: is that by the pixies?
[10:47] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: the brute force approach is not advised
[10:47] <mebaran151> Razor-X: these are internal not architectural
[10:47] <Dr_Melectaus> thoreauputic, O dear indeed :-\
[10:47] <mebaran151> it allows it to have more intrathread parallism
[10:47] <ricosuave17> i wish i want one tho maybe for my b-day
[10:47] <mebaran151> and helps encoding and decoding
[10:47] <Iceman_AMD64> Running Windows XP Pro 64 Bit Beta .... "FREE" and Ubuntu 64 .. now
[10:47] <Dr_Melectaus> im trying sudo -f eject /dev/cdrom
[10:47] <Razor-X> mebaran151: ahhh, I see
[10:47] <Dr_Melectaus> but even that isnt working thor
[10:47] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: try sudo umount -l /dev/cdrom  (no guarantees)
[10:48] <mebaran151> Razor-X: 64 bit encoding is about twie as fast
[10:48] <Razor-X> mebaran151: but it brings a hellish load of problems to the ballgame
[10:48] <Iceman_AMD64> hard to believe you can still download Windows XP 64 bit free ..
[10:48] <mebaran151> Razor-X: like what
[10:48] <Razor-X> ``Ahhh, foo doesen't work with AMD-64!!!''
[10:48] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: do try to avoid the paper clip approach...
[10:48] <Dr_Melectaus> thor, whats it supposed to do
[10:48] <vader1102> brb need my first cup of coffee
[10:48] <Dr_Melectaus> lol thor
[10:48] <Razor-X> true, I can spend the time to fix it, and peruse the docs and such, but if it's too much hastle, yea
[10:48] <Dr_Melectaus> yea
[10:48] <calc> you can download wxp64pro free off of msdn site
[10:48] <highvoltage> thoreauputic: the paper clip approach?
[10:48] <mebaran151> most things ompile pretty clean
[10:49] <mebaran151> except for openoffice
[10:49] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: lazy umount ( see man mount )
[10:49] <calc> assuming you have the non-free access to it ;)
[10:49] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I don't use oO
[10:49] <Dr_Melectaus> k
[10:49] <mebaran151> it will compile gnome from scratch
[10:49] <Razor-X> not much, anyways
[10:49] <mebaran151> most things that are written well can do it
[10:49] <Iceman_AMD64> calc you just register with microshaft, and they send you a cd key and a download link for XP  PRO 64 bit ...
[10:49] <mebaran151> gcc will compile ANSI C to 64 bit ELF's
[10:49] <calc> Iceman_AMD64: ah cool
[10:49] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: or man umount perhaps - one or the other
[10:49] <ricosuave17> YAY ELFS are they gring?
[10:50] <ricosuave17> green
[10:50] <calc> i got the corporate version with no activation off msdn a while back
[10:50] <katrus> Woot.
[10:50] <Iceman_AMD64> calc downlaod and burn the iso ...
[10:50] <Razor-X> mebaran151: how about the packages?
[10:50] <highvoltage> ok enough with the windows talk now
[10:50] <Iceman_AMD64> lol ;-) Winblows
[10:50] <Iceman_AMD64> might as well get it while it is free ...
[10:51] <mebaran151> Razor-X: eh maybe
[10:51] <mebaran151> Skpe I dont think wil lcompile
[10:51] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: skype isn't open source - you can't compile it
[10:51] <mebaran151> because otherwise
[10:51] <mebaran151> I would have
[10:51] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: psshhh!
[10:51] <Xyc0> Windows Vista Betas are out
[10:51] <Razor-X> then I have to go with Gizmo, I guess
[10:51] <Razor-X> if I ever use it, now
[10:51] <Iceman_AMD64> Anyone hurd of clustering support for Linux 64 bit ?
[10:52] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: there's a pefectly functional deb for it - and an apt line
[10:52] <mebaran151> Iceman_AMD64: I do it
[10:52] <Razor-X> Iceman_AMD64: that's ironic! XD
[10:52] <mebaran151> but I use the ruby library, drb
[10:52] <mebaran151> so
[10:52] <Razor-X> don't use ``hurd'' in the Linux world
[10:52] <mebaran151> I am kind of writing my own
[10:53] <Iceman_AMD64> mebaran151 what cluster program ...
[10:53] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: I hear the 64 bit one brings a lot of errors
[10:53] <mebaran151> Razor-X: great Linus quote
[10:53] <mebaran151> Iceman_AMD64: homebrews
[10:53] <mebaran151> are use Distributed ruby
[10:53] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: ah - 64 bit I see
[10:53] <Razor-X> like I said, I can obviously read the docs, but I don't want to spend more than a week fixing things
[10:53] <Razor-X> I need another 2 to get everything tailored to my taste
[10:53] <mebaran151> Razor-X: the qutoe is: "Dont do drugs or you'll end up like the Hurd people.'
[10:53] <Iceman_AMD64> wonder if open mossix will run on 64 bit
[10:53] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: yes, the deb isn't for amd64
[10:53] <mebaran151> Iceman_AMD64: what's mosix
[10:53] <Razor-X> making sure my .zshrc is right, making sure my emacs works nice, my screen, my Eterm needs to be compiled
[10:53] <mebaran151> I am going to try FC4
[10:53] <Razor-X> I did a lot of customization on this box
[10:54] <mebaran151> Razor-X: yur home should be portable
[10:54] <mebaran151> back up your home partition
[10:54] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I understand that
[10:54] <mebaran151> and just copy it over
[10:54] <Razor-X> well, a lot of my .emacs won't be
[10:54] <Xyc0> I live in a portable home
[10:54] <mebaran151> it wont be completely seamless
[10:54] <Razor-X> so, i'm gonna just copy all the macros from it
[10:54] <Dr_Melectaus> thoreauputic, can i somehow install it with the files on my pc, rather than from cd
[10:54] <Iceman_AMD64> cluster add on for linux ... check www.clusterknoppix.com ... it boots a live cd and auto configs a cluster for you
[10:54] <mebaran151> Xyc0: are you posix compliant .....
[10:54] <Iceman_AMD64> cluster from a live cd
[10:54] <mebaran151> Iceman_AMD64: that sounds like a bad idea
[10:54] <Xyc0> it was a joke
[10:55] <Razor-X> mebaran151: hahahahaha!
[10:55] <Iceman_AMD64> not really, works well ....
[10:55] <mebaran151> Xyc0: so was mine
[10:55] <mebaran151> Iceman_AMD64: well I guess it could cache itself in memory
[10:55] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: first, did you manage to open your drive without using a crowbar ^H^H^H erm paperclip?
[10:55] <Dr_Melectaus> lol
[10:55] <Dr_Melectaus> yes
[10:55] <Iceman_AMD64> mebaran151 it is a kernel add on ... once i learn a bit more i might add it to ubuntu ..
[10:55] <mebaran151> time to burn on Fedora
[10:56] <Dr_Melectaus> eject /dev/cdrom after cancling the install :)
[10:56] <mebaran151> Iceman_AMD64: yeah, but what doe sit do
[10:56] <Iceman_AMD64> well beb i hope in kde ...
[10:56] <mebaran151> I was compiling my kernel with openmosix extensions
[10:56] <Razor-X> yeah, I think i'm gonna be better off using 32 bit distro with 64 bit kernel
[10:56] <Iceman_AMD64> blender suppoerts clustering
[10:56] <mebaran151> Razor-X: trust me
[10:56] <fragspaz> hi
[10:56] <Razor-X> and a few 64 bit packages here and there
[10:56] <mebaran151> the problem isnt the packages
[10:56] <fragspaz> whats the default mozilla dir?
[10:56] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: what are you installing?
[10:56] <Razor-X> mebaran151: how well does the 32 bit chroot work?
[10:56] <Iceman_AMD64> high end graphics ...
[10:56] <mebaran151> Razor-X: you cant really do that
[10:56] <Razor-X> mebaran151: ahhh, carp
[10:57] <mebaran151> if you want 64 bit packages
[10:57] <Razor-X> s/carp/crap/
[10:57] <mebaran151> you have to have 64 bit system
[10:57] <Dr_Melectaus> thoreauputic, TRYING to install UT2K3
[10:57] <mebaran151> no Razor-X it is fish
[10:57] <Razor-X> mebaran151: hmmm, I see
[10:57] <Razor-X> yeah, how's the 32 bit chroot?
[10:57] <mebaran151> because 64 bit kernels emulate 32 bit instructions
[10:57] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: ah - I know nothing about games, sorry
[10:57] <mebaran151> but using the really super fast native emulation
[10:57] <mebaran151> so emulate is a bad word
[10:57] <Dr_Fate> serpentine does not work either huh?
[10:57] <Dr_Fate> jeez
[10:57] <mebaran151> but a 32 bit kernel cant emulate 64 bit
[10:57] <mebaran151> that wouldnt make sense
[10:57] <Dr_Melectaus> thoreauputic, ut2k3 has a linux install script on disc 3, but its fuggerd
[10:58] <fragspaz> whats the default mozilla dir?
[10:58] <mebaran151> but all your apps will be availabe
[10:58] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: so it would seem
[10:58] <Razor-X> mebaran151: that much I realized
[10:58] <mebaran151> emacs, cplay
[10:58] <mebaran151> the only thing you lose is Flash
[10:58] <mebaran151> which
[10:58] <mebaran151> if you are a good boy
[10:58] <Razor-X> Flash, pshhhh
[10:58] <mebaran151> you will help the GNUFlash guys
[10:58] <Razor-X> I don't care about Flash
[10:58] <mebaran151> wirte a new and better flash plugin
[10:58] <Dr_Melectaus> the last install that just went wrong there was trying to run it under wine
[10:58] <mebaran151> Ming is going really well
[10:59] <mebaran151> it aint Studio MX
[10:59] <Iceman_AMD64> kool, that got kde up
[10:59] <mebaran151> but it writes flash
[10:59] <robotgeek> okay...anyone with a weird ntfs problem?
[10:59] <mebaran151> robotgeek: ntfs is an antiquaed modern fs
[10:59] <mebaran151> so pshhh
[10:59] <mebaran151> convert that volume to xfs
[10:59] <mebaran151> it sounds like ntfs .....
[10:59] <Xyc0> winfs isn't?
[10:59] <Iceman_AMD64> Geez, 64 bit blows my p4 out of the water ...
[10:59] <Razor-X> Flash is one of those useless internet standards
[11:00] <Razor-X> mebaran151: what about ReiserFS?
[11:00] <robotgeek> mebaran151: i know, but I am using this volume to transfer data from my windows friends :)
[11:00] <mebaran151> Razor-X: XFS is FAST
[11:00] <mebaran151> but becareful
[11:00] <highvoltage> Razor-X: flash is not cool
[11:00] <Razor-X> ReiserFS is nice for small files
[11:00] <Xyc0> not foe /
[11:00] <robotgeek> flash is not cool!
[11:00] <Razor-X> and JFS is nice for servers ;)
[11:00] <highvoltage> Razor-X: reiserfs is cool.
[11:00] <mebaran151> JFS is good for multimedia
[11:00] <robotgeek> mostly cause they don't run on my machine
[11:00] <Iceman_AMD64> so what is lacking in 64 bit ubuntu support ...
[11:00] <mebaran151> because it can handle HUGE files will really nicely
[11:01] <Xyc0> boot up doesnt like reiserfs, it takes like 5 extra sec to boot up
[11:01] <robotgeek> Xyc0: no such problems here!
[11:01] <Iceman_AMD64> is flash player support in 64 bit yet ?
[11:01] <mebaran151> Iceman_AMD64: hahahahahahahahahhahahaha
[11:01] <mebaran151> hahahahahahahahhahaahaa
[11:01] <mebaran151> hahahahahahahahahhahahahahahah
[11:01] <mebaran151> sorry about that
[11:01] <Iceman_AMD64> take that as a no ..
[11:02] <mebaran151> it is there in hacks
[11:02] <Dr_Melectaus> SORRY FOR SHOUTING. BUT has anyone got Unreal Tournament 2003, as i need the linux-install.sh script as mines is fuggerd
[11:02] <robotgeek> okay, anyways...i have ntfs now :)
[11:02] <yahalom> is there anything i can change in xorg.conf in order to get dvds to not be choppy
[11:02] <Iceman_AMD64> what else is lacking in 64 bit support
[11:02] <yahalom> >
[11:02] <yahalom> ?
[11:02] <mebaran151> Iceman_AMD64: openoffice isnt native
[11:02] <Dr_Melectaus> and if anyone would be willing to dcc me it id be most greatfull
[11:02] <Xyc0> robotgeek: did you try with just ext3?  ReiserFS has to be recognized b4 it can mount
[11:02] <mebaran151> so you lose 1.2 secs initializing alot of 32 bit apps
[11:02] <mebaran151> and libs
[11:03] <rkinder> yahalom: check your DVD drive has DMA enabled
[11:03] <robotgeek> i can mount as normal user, but cannot access it as a normal user
[11:03] <yahalom> rkinder, yes it does
[11:03] <mebaran151> chatzilla is nice
[11:03] <mebaran151> XUL app
[11:03] <mebaran151> I was expecting less
[11:03] <robotgeek> Xyc0: my home partition is ext3, mp3/movies reiserfs
[11:03] <Xyc0> later everyone, time to play guildwars
[11:03] <Xyc0> on LINUX w00t
[11:03] <holycow> mebaran151, why, all the moz browsers are xul apps them selves
[11:03] <highvoltage> Linux is cool.
[11:03] <vader1102> Razor-X I am running winXP 64 bit on a client machine...until the driver support is better, I am switching back to 32-bit
[11:04] <Xyc0> ubuntix is the best
[11:04] <robotgeek> mebaran151: it's pretty good. i prefer xchat though, my linux machine is not really powerful
[11:04] <mebaran151> holycow: yeah, but that is kind of their definition
[11:04] <mebaran151> robotgeek: yeah I do too
[11:04] <Steph> can someone help me please
[11:04] <mebaran151> this is from my windows laptop
[11:04] <highvoltage> gross!
[11:04] <Steph> is it possible to un-install linux after i have installed it?
[11:04] <mebaran151> I cant get decent suspend with my laptop because the friggin ati card inside
[11:04] <robotgeek> mebaran151: oh, the horrors!
[11:04] <mebaran151> robotgeek: I hate it
[11:04] <Xyc0> Steph: Why would you want to?
[11:04] <holycow> mebaran151, ehe, i like chatzilla too, i think it can be better as xul framework is quite powerfull
[11:04] <vader1102> Steph, anything is possible
[11:04] <Steph> Xyc0 im just wondering
[11:04] <rkinder> yahalom: do you have the xvideo extension enabled?
[11:04] <Steph> is it possible?
[11:04] <vader1102> yes
[11:05] <highvoltage> mebaran151: you can just delete the partition.
[11:05] <Steph> how do i do that
[11:05] <Steph> un-install?
[11:05] <robotgeek> mebaran151: i have ati too, luckily (or unluckily), i have a old machine!
[11:05] <nomis_> Steph, you can delete the linux partions and re install the windows mbr if you want to ;)
[11:05] <vader1102> it is called format
[11:05] <Xyc0> Steph: it is, but you still lost what ever files were on the drive partition b4 you installed
[11:05] <highvoltage> mebaran151: but windows is not cool.
[11:05] <mebaran151> Steph: you can formt your harddrive
[11:05] <mebaran151> highvoltage: I hate it
[11:05] <mebaran151> I can't get my posix goodness
[11:05] <highvoltage> mebaran151: i hate windows too
[11:05] <Steph> but im leaving windows on with linux
[11:05] <mebaran151> but I use it for Finale 2006
[11:05] <Steph> on a seperate partition
[11:05] <Steph> what do i go into to delete the linux?
[11:05] <mebaran151> I cant get my compisitions in to my professor with out a windows laptop
[11:05] <Xyc0> Steph: yea, then you format over and use your WinXP disk to fixmbr
[11:05] <vader1102> np steph use 3rd party partitionner
[11:06] <robotgeek> mebaran151: i understand your pain :)
[11:06] <Xyc0> Steph: Google around to see how to fix your mbr through windows
[11:06] <mebaran151> ther eise nothing on the Linux scene that compete with Finale
[11:06] <Steph> how much space does a default ubuntu partition take up?
[11:06] <mebaran151> robotgeek: you do classical composition?
[11:06] <Xyc0> Steph: but try linux, youd be surprised how much easier it is then windows
[11:06] <vader1102> Steph: I was using it with a 3 gig hard drive
[11:06] <robotgeek> mebaran151: nope, similiar issues...CAD design
[11:06] <Steph> im using ubuntu live at the moment
[11:06] <Xyc0> Steph: less then 2 gig
[11:07] <Steph> do you think i should install it
[11:07] <Xyc0> yes
[11:07] <vader1102> yes
[11:07] <Steph> i got a 40 gb/go hdd
[11:07] <snivitz0> What is the proper terminal command to view ip information?
[11:07] <Steph> is that enough for windows xp and ubuntu linux
[11:07] <Steph> do you think
[11:07] <Xyc0> Steph: give 10 gig to ubuntu
[11:07] <robotgeek> snivitz0: ifconfig
[11:07] <mebaran151> robotgeek: oh yeah
[11:07] <thoreauputic> snivitz0: ifconfig
[11:07] <Steph> 10??
[11:07] <vader1102> <----been using it for 3 weeks and will not go back
[11:07] <Steph> too much isnt it
[11:07] <mebaran151> but I know they exist for Linux really highend
[11:07] <Razor-X> Windows gives me headaches, so continued exposure will make me go mad
[11:07] <Xyc0> Steph: then you have room to install everything youd want
[11:07] <mebaran151> I mean Maya is native
[11:07] <snivitz0> robotgeek, thoreauputic: Thank you!
[11:07] <mebaran151> so I am assuming AutoCAD has a port
[11:08] <robotgeek> Steph: just in case u decide to stick with it :)
[11:08] <Steph> Xyc0 can i use my WLAN card on ubuntu
[11:08] <Xyc0> Steph: what kind is it
[11:08] <Steph> Belkin
[11:08] <mebaran151> it has to .. all teh architects I know do renders on AIX mainframes
[11:08] <mebaran151> (family business)
[11:08] <Xyc0> Steph: I can use mine, but it depends on the make/model
[11:08] <Steph> How did you install yours.
[11:08] <Steph> The install disk doesnt work.
[11:08] <Steph> On linux
[11:08] <Xyc0> ndiswrapper lets me use the windows drivers
[11:08] <robotgeek> mebaran151: i am on PPC, so forget everything. I just get my work done on Windows machines, which inspite of being a P4 , crashes with only Pro/E and winamp running
[11:09] <Xyc0> i use it that way
[11:09] <Steph> ndiswrapper whats that
[11:09] <robotgeek> !wifi
[11:09] <ubotu> somebody said wifi was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[11:09] <mebaran151> robotgeek: ahhh
[11:09] <mebaran151> PPC Linux
[11:09] <Xyc0> what ubotu said
[11:09] <mebaran151> the minority of a minority
[11:09] <vader1102> Steph try a google search for your card and ubuntu in the search window, that'll get ya the info you need
[11:09] <robotgeek> Steph: see taht!
[11:09] <Steph> so if i install that
[11:09] <Steph> then ill be able to use windows install disks?
[11:09] <Xyc0> it is installed with ubuntu isnt it?
[11:09] <robotgeek> mebaran151: true, a pain sometimes...but i actually prefer Linux to OS X
[11:10] <Steph> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[11:10] <mebaran151> robotgeek: it feels hard
[11:10] <Steph> do i install it to ubuntu?
[11:10] <Steph> or windows
[11:10] <rkinder> Steph: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[11:10] <Xyc0> Steph: yea read up on how to install with ndis
[11:10] <mebaran151> OS X is so bloated
[11:10] <mebaran151> and they cut out all the posix goodness
[11:10] <mebaran151> and gave it crappy threading support
[11:10] <Xyc0> mebaran151: what is it with posix and you?
[11:10] <mebaran151> a really crippled BSD
[11:10] <robotgeek> mebaran151: actually OS X was pretty fast on my machine
[11:10] <mebaran151> Xyc0: what's not to love
[11:10] <vader1102> I use madwifi but that is because it has my driver built right in
[11:10] <Xyc0> yea OSX gets to the point
[11:11] <Steph> Xyc0 what do i install
[11:11] <mebaran151> Xyc0: even with allt he eyecandy
[11:11] <mebaran151> I was working on an old G4
[11:11] <Xyc0> is ndiswapper installed with ubuntu?
[11:11] <mebaran151> and it was painful
[11:11] <Steph> not on mine
[11:11] <Steph> yet
[11:11] <linlin> i jsut installed nvidia drivers.  gow do i restart x now?
[11:11] <Steph> where do i get it from
[11:11] <Xyc0> Steph: first you need to findout exactly what wifi card you have
[11:12] <vader1102> linlin easiest to just log out and back in lol
[11:12] <linlin> mmk
[11:12] <avdd> an intel xeon should be able to run an x86 installer yes?
[11:12] <Xyc0> Steph: you also need to set up your router to use wep, cause WPA is really hard to setup
[11:12] <robotgeek> mebaran151: but i did not like the fact that I could not have it the way i wanted it to. Plus, most of my future work installs easily with an apt-get rather than compiling thru fink
[11:12] <Steph> i dont have security enabled on my router
[11:13] <rkinder> Xyc0: wpa is easy to set up - depends on having a quality card/AP.
[11:13] <Steph> Ive got a Belkin card
[11:13] <robotgeek> Xyc0: let him take one step at a time :)
[11:13] <Xyc0> rkinder: where did you find out how, ive been here for weeks trying to
[11:13] <Steph> Xyc0 can you pvt me because this is getting confusing bro
[11:13] <rkinder> Xyc0: wpa_supplicant is pretty good
[11:14] <Xyc0> rkinder: i installed it, what else do I do?
[11:14] <rkinder> Xyc0: read the fine manual :) /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/ ... I think
[11:14] <robotgeek> i can mount my NTFS partition on my external USB as normal user, but cannot access it as a normal user. Any pointers?
[11:15] <heatxsink>  anyone in here get firewire working with their SoundBlaster Audigy ZS?
[11:15] <vader1102> I am using the dwl-g650 abg wireless and love it, I can get into the car and go to any of my fave coffee shops and use their wireless access and do my studies from there or check the email if I so choose
[11:15] <heatxsink> Audigy 2 ZS
[11:16] <robotgeek> vader1102: cool!!
[11:16] <vader1102> yup, I love the wireless world
[11:16] <Dr_Melectaus> what should the  ip be like for eth0 on ubuntu if its the 2nd machine on my network?
[11:16] <Razor-X> what's a nice Linux compatible wireless card?
[11:17] <Xyc0> vader1102: I got the dell a/b/g
[11:17] <Dr_Melectaus> 192.168.0.2 ??
[11:17] <vader1102> still have a wired card for the places that lack behind but you know how that is
[11:17] <robotgeek> Razor-X: i think most netgears work well
[11:17] <Razor-X> robotgeek: great
[11:17] <vader1102> my buddy has a MS card and has to use the ndiswrapper with it
[11:17] <robotgeek> though check out www.prism54.org
[11:18] <vader1102> but he is using suse
[11:18] <robotgeek> i can't use ndiswrapper
[11:18] <vader1102> robotgeek: why not?
[11:18] <robotgeek> i actually have a belkin card, but it uses a ralink chipset
[11:18] <robotgeek> vader1102: ppc linux :)
[11:18] <Razor-X> my dad's Netgear Wireless card worked out of the box in Knoppix, but I don't know if that configures ndiswrapper dynamically
[11:18] <vader1102> oh, ok
[11:18] <Dr_Melectaus> what should the  ip be like for eth0 on ubuntu if its the 2nd machine on my network? 192.168.0.2 ??
[11:18] <bonvenon> Dr_Melectaus: if you have a router it's probably using 192.168.0.1. then your first machine might run on 2 and the second on 3
[11:19] <robotgeek> Razor-X: i think netgear has support in linux kernel :)\
[11:19] <Razor-X> robotgeek: kickass! ;)
[11:19] <robotgeek> Razor-X: even my usb netgear worked!
[11:19] <Dr_Melectaus> bonvenon, under the hosts tab, what should be selected ?
[11:19] <rkinder> Dr_Melectaus: it all depends on the network configuration... it's kind of like asking 'how long is a piece of string'... :)
[11:19] <bonvenon> Dr_Melectaus: do you have a  router?
[11:20] <Dr_Melectaus> Well i have a pc acting as a router
[11:20] <Dr_Melectaus> the connection from the pc is bridged to my ubuntu laptop
[11:20] <Dr_Melectaus> the router is dows XP
[11:20] <Dr_Melectaus> well pc
[11:20] <Steph> Razor-X do you use a wlan card?
[11:20] <vader1102> I have never done the pc router thing but I might in the future
[11:20] <bonvenon> Dr_Melectaus: can't you use dhcp?
[11:20] <Razor-X> Steph: not on this machine
[11:21] <Dr_Melectaus> bonvenon, how do i use it
[11:21] <Dr_Melectaus> select it rather than static ip?
[11:21] <Steph> Razor-X: OK
[11:21] <Razor-X> AMD 64 and Wireless is new territory for me
[11:21] <bonvenon> Dr_Melectaus: yep. but that requires a dhcp server that gives you an ip
[11:21] <DavidA> Can anyone help - the printer connected to my parralel poort is not recognised as being connected - I have checked the cables
[11:22] <Dr_Melectaus> bonvenon, where do i put that in then?
[11:22] <rkinder> Dr_Melectaus: you should be able to configure this via the System->Administration->Networking
[11:22] <Dr_Melectaus> i am rkinder
[11:22] <Dr_Melectaus>  Autoconfiguration IP Address. . . : 169.254.101.66
[11:22] <vader1102> it is like 5:20 am here on sunday of a long weekend: what in the world am I doing up lol
[11:22] <Dr_Melectaus> would that be what i use bonvenon
[11:22] <Razor-X> long weekend?
[11:22] <Dr_Melectaus> if so where does that go?
[11:23] <mebaran151_> yeah
[11:23] <bonvenon> Dr_Melectaus: have you selected dhcp?
[11:23] <Dr_Melectaus> yes bonvenon
[11:23] <Dr_Melectaus> it worked previously with dhcp
[11:23] <Dr_Melectaus> but somehow went tits up
[11:23] <bonvenon> tDr_Melectaus: hen, why did you change it?
[11:23] <vader1102> woops: coffe done brb
[11:23] <bonvenon> Dr_Melectaus: ok
[11:23] <Dr_Melectaus> it was working a couple of hours ago
[11:24] <Steph> Hello Hear_
[11:24] <Steph> Hello Heart_
[11:24] <Dr_Melectaus> bonvenon, is there anything i can do to sort it?
[11:25] <rkinder> Dr_Melectaus: have you tried 'ifdown eth0' then 'ifup eth0'?
[11:25] <Heart_> hi
[11:25] <Dr_Melectaus> rkinder, do i just put that in terminal
[11:25] <rkinder> Dr_Melectaus: it may get a new DHCP address...
[11:25] <rkinder> Dr_Melectaus: yes, it would be 'sudo ifdown eth0' then 'sudo ifup eth0'
[11:25] <robotgeek> vader1102: it's a long weekend?
[11:25] <robotgeek> damn!
[11:26] <Razor-X> robotgeek: I didn't know either
[11:26] <Madpilot> it is in most of Canada, anyway. Happy BC Day (on Monday, anyway)...
[11:27] <robotgeek> ah..okay
[11:27] <Dr_Melectaus> rkinder, typed it but it just goes to a new line with no info
[11:27] <MartenH> what is a backport?
[11:27] <robotgeek> i solved the mount problem by RTFMing
[11:27] <rkinder> Dr_Melectaus: sounds like the networking system is trying to get a new IP address through DHCP but failing.
[11:27] <mebaran151_> ok weird
[11:27] <mebaran151_> breezy colony 2 works
[11:27] <Dr_Melectaus> hmmmm. is there anyway to sort it rkinder ?
[11:28] <Dr_Melectaus> i have this   Autoconfiguration IP Address. . . : 169.254.101.66 which i think is of some relavence
[11:28] <Dr_Melectaus> with there being no DNS
[11:28] <mebaran151_> but hoary segfaults and breezy current panics
[11:28] <mebaran151_> weird ....
[11:28] <Sp4rKy> hello, what's the best ide over gnome for c++ ?
[11:28] <robotgeek> atleast they both crash...maybe that's a good thing
[11:28] <rkinder> Dr_Melectaus: the 169 address is a bit weird - this is usually a default address (randomly assigned 169 address) windows grabs when it can't reach the DHCP server
[11:28] <linuxboy> how does a user change their password from thu GUI?
[11:29] <rkinder> Dr_Melectaus: this address is the one on the ubuntu box?
[11:29] <robotgeek> Razor-X will say emacs, i will say vim and you might use kdevelop/gedit!
[11:29] <yahalom> guys how do i turn on dma for DVD and then make sure it stays on. cos i did it manually and then everytime  i reboot i lose the settings. anyone plz?
[11:29] <Dr_Melectaus> rkinder, want to talk me thru setting it up againf from scratch, it will only take 5 mins :)
[11:29] <searcher`> yahalom: look in /etc/hdparm.conf
[11:29] <Dr_Melectaus>  Autoconfiguration IP Address. . . : 169.254.101.66 ==what comes up in dows box
[11:29] <thoreauputic> yahalom: read /etc/hdparm.conf
[11:29] <robotgeek> is it possible to set dma on for a external usb?
[11:30] <brach_> Linuxboy:    sudo passwd your_user_name
[11:30] <rkinder> Dr_Melectaus: ok, looks like the windows box can't get a DHCP address...
[11:30] <Dr_Melectaus> the current eth0 ip on the ubuntu machine is 192.168.0.2
[11:30] <Razor-X> emacs!
[11:30] <Razor-X> meh, robotgeek
[11:30] <linuxboy> brach_: without using the GUI!
[11:30] <searcher`> vi!
[11:30] <brach_> from command line console
[11:30] <brach_> :)
[11:30] <thoreauputic> brach_: the sudo isn't needed for the user to change a password
[11:30] <searcher`> linuxboy: there's a user management option in the System menu
[11:30] <Dr_Melectaus> brd ip for eth0 is 192.168.0.255
[11:31] <vader1102> vi is ok, but beeing a noob I preffer gedit
[11:31] <yahalom> thoreauputic, i get cdrom dma on, however its on for dvd. do i need a dvd entry?
[11:31] <searcher`> Dr_Melectaus: that adress is reserved for broadcast traffic
[11:31] <yahalom> thoreauputic, i mean its NOT on for DVD
[11:31] <linuxboy> searcher`: but the user doesn't have access to that
[11:31] <thoreauputic> yahalom: you need an entry for each drive you have
[11:31] <rkinder> Dr_Melectaus: so does the winxp box have an interface with a 192 address?
[11:31] <Dr_Melectaus> whats that mean searcher`
[11:31] <searcher`> Dr_Melectaus: are you trying to assign that adress or give it out?
[11:32] <thoreauputic> yahalom: here the drives are /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd
[11:32] <yahalom> thoreauputic, i only have one cdrom drive buts its a DVD, so even though DMA is on for that cd rom drive. my dvd dma is off
[11:32] <thoreauputic> yahalom: yours may differ
[11:32] <robotgeek> is it possible to set dma on for a external usb?
[11:32] <Dr_Melectaus> searcher. i cant get the internet on my ubuntu machine
[11:32] <Dr_Melectaus> the ip's are all screwed for eth0. i have a windows machine acting as a router
[11:32] <thoreauputic> yahalom: I don't have a DVD drive and I don't know an naswer - maybe someone else will know
[11:33] <searcher`> Dr_Melectaus: is DHCP working on the Windows machine?
[11:33] <thoreauputic> *answer
[11:33] <linuxboy> is there any ipv6 howto for ubuntu?
[11:33] <Mondoshawan> hi all!
[11:33] <searcher`> Dr_Melectaus: also, check the last lines of `dmesg' when you try to get an ip
[11:33] <Dr_Melectaus> searcher. i had dhcp selected on ubuntu a few hours ago and it was working
[11:33] <Dr_Melectaus> last lines of dmsg ?
[11:33] <Razor-X> IPv6?
[11:33] <Dr_Melectaus> dmesg**
[11:33] <searcher`> Dr_Melectaus: open a terminal
[11:33] <Razor-X> that's oldskool!
[11:33] <Razor-X> I have IPv32412342134
[11:33] <Dr_Melectaus> searcher`, k
[11:34] <Xyc0> Is there a defrag program for Ext3?
[11:34] <Razor-X> muahahahaha!
 searcher. i had dhcp selected on ubuntu a few hours ago and it was working <-- happned to me too
[11:34] <Razor-X> my IP address is bigger than my .zshrc!!! XD
[11:34] <thoreauputic> Xyc0: not needed
[11:34] <Mondoshawan> I installed a ubuntu 5.04 server with apache2 but no ftpd  but i wonder i can connect as anonymous user on this server but i do not find a ftp server?
[11:34] <dilch> many negroes prefer to use unbuntu
[11:34] <Razor-X> dilch: is that different from ubuntu?
[11:34] <Xyc0> thoreauputic: what do you mean, every format splits data up occasionally
[11:34] <searcher`> type: dmesg
[11:34] <Dr_Melectaus> searcher`, "no ipv6 routers present
[11:34] <Razor-X> or just a misspelling?
[11:34] <Dr_Melectaus> at the end
[11:34] <searcher`> Dr_Melectaus: that's good
[11:35] <dilch> Razor-X, a misspelling big fella
[11:35] <thoreauputic> Xyc0: *sigh* linux rarely fragments enough to matter (it's properly designed)
[11:35] <Dr_Melectaus> searcher`, there is something about 10 lines above it that may mean something.... (allow time to type)
[11:36] <brach_> for a total noob @ coding (never done it) what language would be a good start in learning? (if their even is such a thing)
[11:36] <Xyc0> Xyc0:
[11:36] <Xyc0> wtf
[11:36] <Xyc0> the siren isnt going off
[11:36] <vader1102> time to work on the BLOG will keep watching
[11:36] <Belutz> brach_: C or C++
[11:36] <Dr_Melectaus> program eject is using deprecated SCDI ioctl,please convert it SG_IO
[11:36] <Dr_Melectaus> has the above twice
[11:36] <benplaut> Xyc0: test... test
[11:36] <Xyc0> Xyc0:
[11:36] <Xyc0> damn it
[11:36] <Xyc0> gaim is broken
[11:36] <benplaut> your own won't do it
[11:37] <linuxboy> brach_: python
[11:37] <benplaut> oh, Gaim?
[11:37] <Xyc0> try again
[11:37] <Mondoshawan> is on ubuntu autmaticlly a ftp service installed ? can somebody help me please ?!
[11:37] <benplaut> try Xchat :)
[11:37] <benplaut> Xyco
[11:37] <Dr_Melectaus> searcher`, ?
[11:37] <Xyc0> with a zero
[11:37] <benplaut> benplaut
[11:37] <robotgeek> python rocks!
[11:37] <djtansey> does anyone here know how to set up email forwarding in ubuntu (which is used as a mail server)?
[11:37] <benplaut> i can't flag myself :P
[11:37] <Sammi> C++ is fairly easy to learn.
[11:37] <thoreauputic> Mondoshawan: no servers run externally on default ubuntu - or do you mean an ftp *client* ?
[11:38] <Xyc0> some one tab my name in
[11:38] <Razor-X> Xyc0: no ;)
[11:38] <Madpilot> Xyc0: like this?
[11:38] <Xyc0> damn it
[11:38] <Razor-X> Madpilot: beat ya
[11:38] <Madpilot> heh.
[11:38] <Razor-X> benplaut: that's flamewar territory ;)
[11:38] <Dr_Melectaus> rkinder, ?
[11:38] <Xyc0> it used to work!!!! what broke it!!!
[11:38] <Xyc0> brb
[11:38] <Razor-X> fine fine
[11:38] <thoreauputic> Mondoshawan: please ask before /msg ing or pm ing people
[11:38] <Belutz> Razor-X: hi... still here?? don't you need something to eat? :D
[11:39] <Dr_Melectaus> bahhh everyone has vanished all at once
[11:39] <Dr_Melectaus> :-\
[11:39] <Razor-X> Belutz: eating is for squares!
[11:39] <Razor-X> ;)
[11:39] <Belutz> yup... BitchX is good :p
[11:39] <thoreauputic> Mondoshawan: and keep your questions in channel where everyone can read them to help you
[11:39] <benplaut> why does it have an X at the end, if it's CLI?
[11:39] <benplaut> BitchX, that is
[11:40] <Mondoshawan> ok
[11:40] <Razor-X> benplaut: X is generally prepended to mean an ``X Windows'' application
[11:40] <Razor-X> nooo!!!
[11:40] <Belutz> lol
[11:40] <benplaut> but it's not?!
[11:40] <thoreauputic> Mondoshawan: PLEASE do *not* /msh me !
[11:40] <Razor-X> benplaut: it generally is
[11:40] <thoreauputic> * /msg
[11:40] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: /msh?
[11:40] <benplaut> it's command line...?
[11:40] <Razor-X> benplaut: like the DVI Viewer xgdvi
[11:40] <Belutz> anyone using tcsh instead of bash?
[11:40] <benplaut> w/e
[11:40] <Razor-X> it's for X Windows, hence the ``x''
[11:40] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: new protocol *grin*
[11:41] <Razor-X> Belutz: nooooooooo!!!! evil!!!!!
[11:41] <benplaut> *PLEASE* do not /mush me!
[11:41] <yahalom> thoreauputic, how do i make this permanent: hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd ?
[11:41] <robotgeek> i am not a power user of irc, xchat works well for me...plus, #ubuntu is the only place i visit
[11:41] <thoreauputic> benplaut: hahah
[11:41] <tikka> woooooooooooooooo
[11:41] <tikka> got me a new kernel
[11:41] <tikka> sexy stuff
[11:41] <Belutz> Razor-X: why tcsh is evil? FreeBSD use tcsh by default
[11:41] <benplaut> good for you
[11:41] <Mondoshawan> I installed ubuntu (server) there is no ftp Dmon but i can connect on port21 with anonymous WHY?
[11:41] <thoreauputic> yahalom: we told you - edit /etc/hdparm.conf
[11:41] <Mondoshawan> ist that a bug ???
[11:41] <dilch> exactly, i use tcsh
[11:41] <Razor-X> Belutz: exactly
[11:41] <dilch> you rude little man
[11:41] <benplaut> tikka: be quiet on that last one... it gives us geeks a bad image :P
[11:41] <Razor-X> which makes FreeBSD evil
[11:41] <Razor-X> ;)
[11:42] <yahalom> thoreauputic, i know that man. i dont know how do insert it.
[11:42] <Belutz> Razor-X: huehuehue.... because of the devil of FreeBSD daemon.... LOL
[11:42] <benplaut> p'shaaa...
[11:42] <robotgeek> Mondoshawan: you must have ftpd installed and running
[11:42] <Mondoshawan> no is not
[11:42] <Razor-X> your !! has nothing on ME!!! muahahahahaha!!! XD
[11:42] <thoreauputic> yahalom: it tells you how in the file comments
[11:42] <Xyc0> some one tab me in again
[11:42] <robotgeek> bash is the shell!
[11:42] <Xyc0> last time
[11:42] <Razor-X> Xyc0: no
[11:42] <Xyc0> nice
[11:43] <Xyc0> it works now
[11:43] <dilch> Belutz, do it
[11:43] <Razor-X> don't do it!
[11:43] <Xyc0> i think it was when i restarted esd
[11:43] <Razor-X> don't go to the dark side!
[11:43] <Mondoshawan> thats strange no ftpd no vsftpd nothing with ftp is installed
[11:43] <yahalom> thoreauputic, ah sorry man. thanx :)
[11:43] <benplaut> that was odd...
[11:43] <Burgundavia> Mondoshawan, no servers are installed by default
[11:43] <Xyc0> LINUX IS FREEEEEEEE
[11:43] <benplaut> what did my exit message say the problem was a sec ago?
[11:43] <Xyc0> FREEEDOOOOMMM
[11:43] <Belutz> robotgeek: thx for the slap... i just wake up :D
[11:43] <robotgeek> Mondoshawan: i think ftpd must be installed and started from inetd
[11:43] <Razor-X> Xyc0: free as in libre, not free as in coors
[11:43] <Belutz> dilch: why do you think i should migrate?
[11:43] <robotgeek> Belutz: it's all in good humor :)
[11:43] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: I told him that about half an hour ago :/
[11:43] <Xyc0> FREEEEDOOOMMMM
[11:44] <benplaut> oh, be quiet :)
[11:44] <Razor-X> benplaut: you closed the connection
[11:44] <benplaut> oh
[11:44] <Mondoshawan> i know but why can i connect to port 21 wit anonymousd?
[11:44] <Xyc0> :D
[11:44] <Burgundavia> Xyc0, please don't
[11:44] <robotgeek> Mondoshawan: do a telnet localhost:21
[11:44] <Belutz> robotgeek: yup... :D
[11:44] <benplaut> d*mn bugs
[11:44] <Xyc0> Burgundavia: it's ok to be free dude
[11:44] <Razor-X> granted, BSD is awesome as a server
[11:44] <Razor-X> but nothing more
[11:44] <Mondoshawan> in inetd.conf arent entrys
[11:44] <benplaut> Xyc0: don't shout it
[11:44] <dilch> Razor-X, i use it on the desktop and it works just fine
[11:45] <robotgeek> Mondoshawan: and tell us what it says
[11:45] <benplaut> at least he hasn't learned about bold text :D
[11:45] <Razor-X> dilch: of course it works
[11:45] <Belutz> Razor-X: yup... i've been using FreeBSD as servers
[11:45] <Razor-X> but, BSD's main use is serverness
[11:45] <benplaut> "The power to serve"
[11:45] <Razor-X> everything else is too convoluted for my tastes
[11:45] <Mondoshawan> unable to connect :-) but with the gnome-commander i can connect lol
[11:45] <Xyc0> benplaut: *whisper* freeeedoooommm
[11:45] <Razor-X> I dunno, BSD seems counter-intuitive to me
[11:45] <benplaut> !info zsh
[11:45] <dilch> lol it's not too convoluted at all
[11:45] <ubotu> zsh: (A shell with lots of features), section shells, is optional. Version: 4.2.1-15ubuntu5 (hoary), Packaged size: 1949 kB, Installed size: 5816 kB
[11:45] <dilch> the opposite
[11:45] <benplaut> ahhh
[11:45] <benplaut> that explans
[11:45] <vader1102> ok, time for me to have some fun and try to get the mana world to work under Ubuntu... will post a blog if it works
[11:46] <Razor-X> benplaut: exactly
[11:46] <Belutz> i just can't resist the cute devil the fbsd daemon :p
[11:46] <dilch> i run everything i ever ran in linux .. it has binary emulation anyway
[11:46] <Razor-X> zsh borrows some from every shell
[11:46] <Razor-X> including tcsh
[11:46] <robotgeek> Mondoshawan: weird, but i dunno what's wrong
[11:46] <benplaut> how hard to switch to from Bash?
[11:46] <Mondoshawan> so i will see whats the problem i will reboot
[11:46] <Mondoshawan> thanks
[11:46] <Razor-X> benplaut: to zsh, the basic things are the same
[11:46] <Razor-X> but, when it comes to scripting, and powerful interactive use, that's where zsh differs
[11:47] <benplaut> ahh
[11:47] <robotgeek> i use python for all my scripting needs :)
[11:47] <benplaut> i wouldn't reallu notice a diff
[11:47] <brammator> hi! where can i find drivers for usb modem id 0572:1234? linuxant.com doesn't help.
[11:47] <Razor-X> benplaut: but tcsh on the other hand... ouch ;)
[11:47] <robotgeek> and they are not much
[11:50] <Softarn> what filesystem type should i install ubuntu on?
[11:50] <MartenH> what is a backport?
[11:50] <robotgeek> Softarn: ext3 shud work fine
[11:50] <rkinder> Softarn: depends on your needs. Default of ext3 should do for most people
[11:51] <evader> Can anyone suggest where I can find out how to install Windows Vista beta 1 on vmware5? (ubuntu host). Windows doesnt detect the virtual disk for some reason.
[11:51] <LiberalTugboat> hey... anyone running KDE 3.4.2?
[11:51] <Xyc0> some one help Steph when he/she gets back, im going to bed
[11:51] <Xyc0> evader: Good luck
[11:51] <Catdaemon`> Im using SSH and i closed the window showing what my server app was doing, how to i see what is doing again? ( sorry i cant explain that very well ) :|
[11:52] <evader> Xyc0, thanks - any ideas though?
[11:52] <thoreauputic> MartenH: in simple terms a backport is a newer version made to work on an older installation (like something from breezy made to be compatible with hoary, say)
[11:52] <Xyc0> evader: no, it is way too new to start messing with emulators
[11:52] <robotgeek> i think i will go to bed too...it's 4:30 am!
[11:52] <Xyc0> ha ha thanks Belutz
[11:52] <Belutz> wew
[11:53] <Softarn> how big is ubuntu? like 2 gb?
[11:53] <evader> Xyc0, vmware5 says it has experimental Longhorn support - it just doesnt seem to like the SCSI drivers...
[11:53] <robotgeek> oh okay...some more time then!
[11:53] <evader> Softarn, as big as you make it.
[11:53] <Softarn> great!
[11:54] <Madpilot> Softarn: default is about 1.8Gb
[11:54] <Xyc0> evader: you downloaded the new torrent for WinVista?
[11:54] <robotgeek> evil!!
[11:54] <evader> Xyc0, no, I have it legit. MSDN subscription.
[11:54] <evader> Why?
[11:55] <Catdaemon`> lol
[11:55] <Catdaemon`> you paid for a msdn subscription :/
[11:55] <Xyc0> evader: Cause I was thinking of messing with it.
[11:55] <Catdaemon`> looks like a waste of money from what i see :/
[11:55] <robotgeek> to each his own
[11:55] <robotgeek> i'm sure he has a good reason
[11:56] <Rydekull> hmm, I want to try out Windows Vista Beta 1 to see how their security thinking is going
[11:56] <Rydekull> it seems to have improved alot atleast
[11:57] <robotgeek> IE 7 UI is not good
[11:58] <evader> heh yeah
[11:58] <evader> I have it running on xp in vmware
[11:58] <evader> not too bad tho
[11:58] <Xyc0> IE 7 is M$ trying to be like firefox
[11:58] <robotgeek> all the new features are from opera and ffox
[11:58] <robotgeek> and to be different, they changed the position of File menu
[11:58] <Xyc0> that may sound ignorant, but it is way too close to the truth
[11:58] <brammator> robotgeek nope. they're from maxthon 1-)
[11:59] <Belutz> hmmm is vmware for linux is free ?
[11:59] <Xyc0> no
[11:59] <xophEr> no
[11:59] <Belutz> ic
[11:59] <Belutz> :(
[11:59] <Xyc0> its really expensive actualy
[11:59] <robotgeek> brammator: never had the chance to try it...though i will be ignorant end user and not try IE
[11:59] <mjr> Belutz, if you want something similar, try qemu
[11:59] <Belutz> qemu?
[11:59] <Belutz> will googling on that
[12:00] <robotgeek> brammator: or maxthon...since now firefox on windows plays yahoo videos too!
[12:00] <Xyc0> Belutz: or you can just use wine to run the windows programs you like
[12:00] <mjr> Belutz, it's somewhat slower, though (there is a proprietary, free-as-in-beer kernel module that's supposed to make it faster, haven't tried)
[12:00] <mjr> Belutz, google will work, yes
[12:00] <Belutz> could someone kindly enough to give me a copy of vmware or crossover? LOL :D j/k
[12:00] <thoreauputic> mjr: default qemu works, but it's pretty slow
[12:00] <Xyc0> Belutz: Torrents
[12:00] <Catdaemon`> Im using SSH and i closed the window showing what my server app was doing, how to i see what is doing again? ( sorry i cant explain that very well ) :| ( repeat because of no answer :o )
[12:01] <Xyc0> Belutz: you can steal linux programs too
[12:01] <Belutz> Xyc0: that's a good idea...
[12:01] <mjr> thoreauputic, yep, that I have tried :)
[12:01] <brammator> robotgeek: believe me, ff still loses to maxthon. private opinion, of course.
[12:01] <thoreauputic> mjr: :)
[12:01] <Xyc0> but it is way more satisfying to steal m$ programs
[12:01] <brammator> meh, anybody knows about conexant modems and ubuntu?
[12:01] <Belutz> Xyc0: i couldn't agree more :D
[12:01] <robotgeek> brammator: i use linux most of the time, so i don't really have a choice there, do i?
[12:01] <Xyc0> gnite everyone
[12:01] <Belutz> nite nite Xyc0
[12:01] <Softarn> so u dont think ie 7 si gonna be better than ffox? aint there alot of security holes in ffox now?
[12:02] <Catdaemon`> Softarn: be pro, use opera :D
[12:02] <robotgeek> Xyc0: nite
[12:02] <mastovergnat> houba
[12:02] <brammator> robotgeek heh.. that's 'operation system holy war" thing is total tragic crap for us fellow endusers
[12:02] <thoreauputic> guys, btw WAREZ is way off topic here
[12:02] <Belutz> brammator: maybe this will help you out http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/
[12:02] <Belutz> thoreauputic: oops sorry
[12:02] <raven3x7> brammmator www.linuxant.com
[12:03] <brammator> Belutz if my usb id is not listed on linuxznt.com, is it possible?
[12:03] <holycow> Softarn, i havent seen any so called 'innovation' in ie7 yet
[12:03] <Belutz> brammator: i donno about that, sorry
[12:03] <holycow> not only that
[12:03] <holycow> they publically stated not to be making any efforts to support w3c standards
[12:04] <brammator> raven3x7 what about usb id?
[12:04] <holycow> for a company that has what, 30 billion in cas in the bank, thats the best they can do?
[12:04] <holycow> pathetic
[12:04] <raven3x7> brammator try the linmodems website/mailinglist they should know
[12:04] <brammator> thanks/
[12:05] <Random_Sindrom> How do I apply themes in Openbox?
[12:05] <robotgeek> Random_Sindrom: obconf
[12:06] <robotgeek> MS wants it's own standards for everything...PITA all the time
[12:06] <robotgeek> All MS needs to do is to play nicely with everyone, and everyone will be happy
[12:07] <linlin> not how thw world orks unfortunetly
[12:07] <searcher`> robotgeek: that's the problem when you have a monopoly, you don't maintain it when you play nicely
[12:07] <linlin> works
[12:07] <searcher`> *nice
[12:07] <vagamente> hi all... ne1 can help me?
[12:08] <robotgeek> searcher`: not really. a few people like me hate windows cause they don't play along well
[12:08] <Pixel83> vagamente, what's your problem?
[12:08] <rkinder> vagamente: what's the prob?
[12:09] <searcher`> robotgeek: i don't hate windows
[12:09] <searcher`> it has it's place, just like linux
[12:09] <searcher`> or any other OS
[12:09] <searcher`> but they do have a monopoly part in fact of not playing nice to other vendors
[12:09] <vagamente> http://www.sinussource.de/ldrum/#downloads - Which one i have to install and how to?
[12:09] <Belutz> i always open windows in the morning, my room windows :D
[12:09] <holycow> robotgeek All MS needs to do is to play nicely with everyone, and everyone will be happy  <-- you know, i couldnt agree with this more
[12:09] <searcher`> once you buy MS, it's pretty sure switching will be more costly then upgrading
[12:10] <holycow> its not like they are retards
[12:10] <holycow> they have some smart and talented people working over there
[12:10] <holycow> they could compete no problem
[12:10] <searcher`> but why bother?
[12:10] <searcher`> look at IE
[12:10] <holycow> but they insist on simply making it hard for everyone
[12:10] <robotgeek> PITA!
[12:10] <searcher`> as soon as they pushed out Netscape it became stagnant for 3 years
[12:10] <linlin> you would all do the same thing...
[12:11] <linlin> if it meant you were the richest man in the worls
[12:11] <linlin> world*
[12:11] <searcher`> maintaining the monopoly is a sure way to make some serious cash
[12:11] <robotgeek> IE 7 also has nothing new, no CSS2 compatibility even
[12:11] <holycow> searcher`, its not a simple calculation like that, dropping ms for us results in 75% drop in i.t. costs
[12:11] <Pixel83> vagamente, probably the first one.
[12:11] <holycow> there is a lot to be said for a case  by case based analysis
[12:11] <rkinder> vagamente: you'll probably have to download the source and compile it yourself - doesn't look like this app is in the ubuntu repositories...
[12:11] <searcher`> holycow: the software isn't the big factor in IT
[12:11] <searcher`> the cost i mean
[12:11] <holycow> oh yes it is
[12:11] <searcher`> it's the people installing and maintaining
[12:11] <robotgeek> look at OS X...they have innovated
[12:11] <holycow> searcher`, like i told you, exactly
[12:11] <searcher`> they are more expensive then that license
[12:12] <holycow> it IS THE factor indeed
[12:12] <Pixel83> vagamente, have you ever done that ./configure, make, make install thing?
[12:12] <searcher`> but switching away from MS once you buy it is more costly then just upgrading
[12:12] <mjr> robotgeek, how about proper png support at least?
[12:12] <holycow> searcher`, no its not, its on a case by case basis
[12:12] <vagamente> never ever Pixel...
[12:12] <robotgeek> mjr: i think ie 7 has that, i am not sure though
[12:12] <holycow> for us it results in 75% reduction in costs, thats overall, including maintenance and licencing
[12:12] <holycow> please don't generalize like that
[12:13] <searcher`> holycow: it is in the 30+ companies i do support for
[12:13] <holycow> for other companies it will be different
[12:13] <holycow> sure, i'm not claimining anything about your situation
[12:13] <searcher`> we are slowly trying to get rid of Exchange for some of them
[12:13] <Pixel83> vagamente, you'll probably have to download the tgz, unpack it and then follow the file named "INSTALL"
[12:13] <mebaran> yes!
[12:13] <holycow> there are a lot of workloads where the switch just makes sense tho
[12:13] <mebaran> using colony 2 I finally have a working linux install
[12:13] <vagamente> ok.. let's try...
[12:13] <mebaran> keymaps are weird but whatever
[12:13] <searcher`> which means expensive licenses (Novell, RedHat ) for support
[12:13] <searcher`> OR
[12:14] <robotgeek> in my university, we havent made it to dual boot in the major labs cause of the SCO scare
[12:14] <searcher`> lots of time spent by my team in building a custom linux out of debian
[12:14] <holycow> searcher`, we are just going with ubuntu and debian
[12:14] <LiberalTugboat> well need to go to bed i think... it is late! night all
[12:14] <searcher`> holycow: you still have to customize
[12:14] <robotgeek> we do have a sweet deal from redhat here at my univ
[12:14] <searcher`> and IT labour doesn't come cheap
[12:14] <holycow> for our needs, redhat and novell don't show up on the radar
[12:14] <holycow> searcher`, dude, please stop generalizing
[12:14] <searcher`> robotgeek: edu is different from commercial use
[12:14] <searcher`> holycow: i'm not
[12:14] <robotgeek> searcher`: i know
[12:15] <holycow> i may only have 175 desktops, but we customize nothing with each install
[12:15] <mebaran> is pgsql so much faster than mysql
[12:15] <holycow> nothing
[12:15] <Dr_Melectaus> hmmm
[12:15] <Dr_Melectaus> it didnt seem to work
[12:15] <searcher`> holycow: but you have to build that initial install
[12:15] <Dr_Melectaus> searcher`
[12:15] <searcher`> you have to build the servers
[12:15] <searcher`> secure them
[12:15] <searcher`> that's lots of time
[12:15] <holycow> searcher`, lol, what?
[12:15] <holycow> hows that different from any other platform?
[12:15] <holycow> thats standard i.t. procedure, how does that haveto do with anything?
[12:15] <searcher`> more time then you would spend on just upgrading (because you have already done that for your original windows servers)
[12:16] <holycow> heh no
[12:16] <searcher`> that's what i'm saying
[12:16] <holycow> searcher`, you are correct, don't be so defensive
[12:16] <holycow> jesus
[12:16] <holycow> this isn't kindergarden i'm not attacking you
[12:16] <robotgeek> :)
[12:16] <Belutz> :D
[12:16] <holycow> i'm just saying sure, thats true for you, there are more than one way to slice the cat tho
[12:16] <mebaran> X isnt broken in Breezy is it
[12:16] <mebaran> as of now
[12:17] <vader1102> tmw: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:17] <holycow> a lot of time it really is a lot less expensive, a lot of times its not
[12:17] <vader1102> sorry
[12:17] <searcher`> holycow: considering i have to have this discussion with most of my team i enjoy hearing other opinions
[12:17] <searcher`> holycow: anytime we get a new member it's the same discussion over again
[12:17] <Pixel83> vagamente, btw did you check the requirements?
[12:18] <searcher`> :-)
[12:18] <robotgeek> alrite...gotta sleep now!
[12:18] <robotgeek> cya all later
[12:18] <rkinder> mebram: if you're prepared to potentially lose X and work to get it back, no, X isn't broken :)
[12:18] <holycow> searcher`, for fuck sakes, who gives a shit about your team and your discussion?
[12:18] <searcher`> holycow: linux is great for start up companies though
[12:18] <searcher`> holycow: apparantly, you do
[12:18] <rkinder> s/mebram/mebran
[12:18] <holycow> searcher`, naw i keep on saying 'hey dude, heres this neat situation for us its great'
[12:18] <robotgeek> okay guys..keep it safe in #ubuntu, and for arguments use #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:18] <holycow> and you keep on saying 'hey dude i run 30 different sites and its only like this'
[12:19] <robotgeek> holycow, searcher` : please take the discussion elsewhere
[12:19] <robotgeek> nite!
[12:19] <holycow> who cares? hey yes your sites run ms, cool.  for us the SLOW switch has been really quite remarkably easy
[12:19] <thoreauputic> holycow: adjust your attitude and language please. Each time you come to this channel you start an unnecessary argument
[12:19] <holycow> but we have had to take it slowly
[12:20] <holycow> if we were to swap everything out overnight the costs would rise
[12:20] <Belutz> robotgeek: have a good sleep :D
[12:22] <holycow> thoreauputic, and i keep on telling you every night your opinion is worthless, i would recommend puttin me on your extra special ignore list
[12:22] <j2dope> hi. whats a good voice chat program, other than skype? im thinking like the ol roger wilco type thing?
[12:22] <j2dope> i just want something simple.
[12:23] <Bubbling_Zombie> teamspeak?
[12:23] <j2dope> is that compatible with windows/
[12:23] <thoreauputic> holycow: your arrogance, tactlessness and generally antisocial behaviour are immature but faintly amusing :0
[12:23] <Bubbling_Zombie> yes j2dope
[12:23] <holycow> thoreauputic, wonderfull, enjoy the show then :)
[12:23] <j2dope> thanks Bubbling_Zombie :) was just SO sick of trying to get skype's bloody sound working
[12:24] <Bubbling_Zombie> you're gonna need a server and stuff. It's mostly used for counterstrike and the like
[12:24] <j2dope> oh :|
[12:24] <Erkan``> does the default ubuntu installation cd have gnome or kde in it?
[12:24] <j2dope> umm is there any IM software for ubuntu that can handle it? i just wanna chat to my friend over msn basically
[12:24] <raven3x7> anyone know how to enable alt+shift to change between languages?
[12:24] <Bubbling_Zombie> http://www.goteamspeak.com/news.php
[12:24] <dato> mmm, has anybody heard about /dev/inotify not getting created with the latest breezy kernels? (tested with -5- and -6-)
[12:24] <Bubbling_Zombie> ubuntu = gnome, kubuntu = kde Erkan``
[12:25] <Bubbling_Zombie> j2dope i'm not that into voice chat software, sorry :-/
[12:25] <dilch> most negroes use straight ubuntu
[12:25] <Erkan``> Bubbling_Zombie, thanks
[12:26] <MartenH> raven: I made a simple implementation for that a cpl of days ago
[12:27] <holycow> Bubbling_Zombie, cool link, thx
[12:27] <MartenH> raven3x7, took me a while to figure out how to do it but now it works.
[12:28] <raven3x7> MartenH, its easy during installation but i dont see any way to do it using the confguration tools
[12:28] <holycow> Bubbling_Zombie, have you used teamspeak at all? just curious what your experience with it was
[12:28] <MartenH> raven3x7, to enable switching with alt-shift?
[12:28] <raven3x7> dilch ???
[12:28] <raven3x7> MartenH, yes
[12:28] <Bubbling_Zombie> holycow i used it once. sound quality aint that great (like skype) but we understood each other
[12:28] <dilch> raven3x7, you are a negro woman i take it?
[12:28] <Bubbling_Zombie> it's not that bandwith expensive too
[12:29] <dato> fabbione: ah, seems you said something in #ubuntu-kernel
[12:29] <MartenH> Didn't know that was possible during installation. You can install several languages but I never found the alt-shift switching....
[12:29] <dato> not much, tho
[12:29] <tchmnky> *yawn* Nothing quite like Ubuntu breaking sound on a Sunday afternoon... Any clues anyone? Damn Small Linux works just fine with it, but I can't even get cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp to reproduce anything.
[12:29] <raven3x7> dilch stop taking crack
[12:30] <holycow> Bubbling_Zombie, neat.  this could be a cool thing to try
[12:30] <Bubbling_Zombie> it is. If you're into that kinda stuff
[12:30] <MartenH> raven3x7, anyway, I made it work using xbindkeys and the modmap command, I can help you set it up that way if you want
[12:30] <raven3x7> MartenH, when i installed it with greek as the default it enabled alt-shift by default
[12:30] <raven3x7> MartenH, that would be cool
[12:31] <tucoz> Hi, I can't get sound to work on my laptop. I can see the audio card when I type lspci
[12:32] <Octane> this is such a lame question but i cant figure it out -- i used to have colors in my konsole for dirs, symlinks, etc... but now theyre all gone -- i have played around w/ schemas etc but to no avail anyone know what gives
[12:32] <Creig> Hey, anyone willing to respond, I am looking for a PCI soundcard which is compatible with linux out of the box. Please advise of such a card. Thanks
[12:32] <Catdaemon`> Im using SSH and i closed the window showing what my server app was doing, how to i see what is doing again?
[12:32] <tucoz> But kde sends all sound to /dev/null
[12:32] <tchmnky> ln -s /dev/null /dev/dsp :)
[12:32] <tchmnky> That's a joke. Really, don't do that.
[12:32] <tucoz> hehe
[12:33] <tchmnky> Sound is a pain right now for me too.
[12:33] <tchmnky> It was working great last night, now Ubuntu just ignores it. Live distros work just grand though.
[12:33] <holycow> Catdaemon`, ssh back in again?  :o)
[12:33] <Catdaemon`> yeah but
[12:34] <Catdaemon`> it just shows
[12:34] <tucoz> Ok, I am actually quite happy right now. I just got my laptop to use 1280x800 resolution. It's beautiful.
[12:34] <Catdaemon`> the normal console window
[12:34] <Catdaemon`> not the program's one holycow
[12:34] <holycow> Catdaemon`, hard to guess, depends on the program
[12:35] <darksatanic> Catdaemon`: If you've lost the terminal that was showing the output of a job, then I don't think there's anything you can do to recover it.
[12:35] <holycow> how did you startup your client the first time? and what client is it?
[12:35] <Catdaemon`> source dedicated server
[12:35] <tucoz> btw, does anyone know if the ubuntu-hoary kernel uses pci-express?
[12:35] <Catdaemon`> darksatanic: im doing it via ssh, im not just leaving my comp on so the ssh window stays up
[12:36] <darksatanic> A ssh session is still a terminal.
[12:36] <holycow> Catdaemon`, not sure i am not familiar with that app or how it works, it could be anything in the popeline
[12:36] <holycow> pipeline even
[12:36] <darksatanic> (Well, OK, it's a pseudoterminal, but...)
[12:36] <Catdaemon`> pope? lol
[12:36] <holycow> >_<
[12:36] <Catdaemon`> i thought it would be easy, obviously not :(
[12:36] <darksatanic> I'd suggest using "screen"
[12:36] <rkinder> Catdaemon: screen
[12:37] <darksatanic> ssh in, run screen, run your program inside that shell.
[12:37] <darksatanic> Disconnect from the ssh session, and screen keeps running.
[12:37] <Catdaemon`> :o
[12:37] <darksatanic> When you reconnect, "screen -r" to regain your session.
[12:37] <rkinder> Catdaemon: screen is the most useful program in the history of the world... :)
[12:38] <Catdaemon`> lol
[12:38] <darksatanic> I wouldn't go quite that far...
[12:38] <dato> fabbione: ok, found about #13056. cheers.
[12:38] <darksatanic> I'm sure sed is more useful. :)
[12:38] <rkinder> darksatanic: heresy!
[12:39] <rkinder> s/sed/screen
[12:40] <tchmnky> Anyone have a clue what would cause catting /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp to not produce any sound when it's the only sound device, and live distros can access the soundcard just fine?
[12:40] <Will_> All randomness in the world has ended.
[12:40] <som1> theres no such thing as random
[12:41] <tchmnky> That was random.
[12:41] <Will_> <-trolling BEFORE work now. Hooray for 12 hour shifts 2 days rynning
[12:42] <tchmnky> I don't think that's the problem - catting /dev/urandom to the terminal gives me aaaaaall sorts of freaky characters and beep codes...
[12:42] <tchmnky> :)
[12:42] <tchmnky> I think we still have pseudo randomness.
[12:42] <som1> i wanna use a proxy for a game that doesnt support proxies, im not on the gnome thingie and i dont have X running. i have a very good reason to do this, how do i do it by command?
[12:43] <tikka> som1, been banned?
[12:43] <tikka> ;p
[12:43] <som1> no
[12:43] <Will_> som1: some kind of socks magic? I used sockscap on windows for things like that
[12:44] <tikka> Will_, same as you.
[12:44] <tikka> worked ok too
[12:44] <Will_> tikka: Huh?
[12:44] <tikka> socks wrapper
[12:44] <Will_> ahhh
[12:44] <som1> well, i just want to connect by proxy. everywhere
[12:44] <tikka> ive used that sockscap also
[12:44] <som1> hah it didnt work for me
[12:44] <som1> :(
[12:45] <floo> I have just statically compiled kernel 2.6.11 using the ubuntu 2.6.11 source and the generic method of compilation e.g. make mrproper, make, make install.  the kernel  boots without a problem but i can't get the nvidia glx driver to work.  any ideas?
[12:46] <tikka> floo, i havent a clue but im doing the same with ati at the moment ;/
[12:47] <tikka> i got me a nice shiny kernel, 2.6.12.3
[12:47] <tikka> the direct rendering is off
[12:47] <tikka> ;/
[12:48] <floo> I know, I would have made it using make -kpkg, which I believe is the Debian way but I don't really understand that method
[12:50] <holycow> hard to help on custom kernel issues, but its cool to see people trying to do it them selves :)
[12:51] <som1> how can i tell ubuntu to use a proxy for something or everything?
[12:52] <AndieB> Hi all, the Newbie is back!
[12:56] <AndieB> How do I install jEdit that requires Java?
[12:56] <AndieB> Remember, I'm a total newbie, who just left the Microsoft world... :D
[12:57] <holycow> no worries
[12:57] <som1> i thought its gedit, not jedit
[12:57] <holycow> AndieB, does jedit simply come in a jar file?
[12:57] <holycow> som1, gedit is a different app for sure
[12:58] <holycow> if it just comes in a jar file you need to install java, then just startup the app as: javae -jar jedit.jar
[12:58] <holycow> or something like that
[12:58] <Madpilot> spelling counts with CLI... "java -jar jedit.jar"
[12:58] <Madpilot> ;)
[12:59] <holycow> damnit!
[12:59] <holycow> lol
[01:01] <holycow> what Madpilot said :)
[01:01] <holycow> ha!
[01:01] <AndieB> holycow: Yes, it does...
[01:01] <Madpilot> although "javae" sounds like the Latin word for coffee...
[01:01] <Madpilot> !java
[01:01] <ubotu> hmm... java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[01:01] <Madpilot> AndieB: see ubotu's post for java info
[01:01] <holycow> heh i had another cool type earlier, typed popeline instead of pipeline
[01:01] <Madpilot> popeline - what the Pontiff uses to get online
[01:01] <Madpilot> (the Vatican has a terrible website, BTW...)
[01:01] <reiken> hi, juz got ubuntu installed, but can't seem to get my RGB output for a digital projector working.... any hints?
[01:01] <holycow> i wouldnt expect the pope to be a good graphic designer
[01:01] <tikka> maybe he is an artist
[01:01] <Madpilot> not the previous one, anyway. a bit shaky toward the end...
[01:01] <holycow> reiken, can you describe what the issue is more specifically?
[01:01] <helmut__> hello
[01:02] <tikka> morning holycow
[01:02] <tikka> ;p
[01:02] <holycow> hi tikka :)
[01:02] <helmut__> i have to enter 'iwconfig wlan0 key open' on every boot before i can access the internet. Where can i enter this command to be permanently executed?! (/etc/network/interfaces?)
[01:02] <holycow> helmut__, yes
[01:03] <redlounge> hi. anyone using bbacpi here? i can not get it to run...
[01:03] <helmut__> holycow, what do i have to enter there?
[01:03] <wezzer-> helmut__: or /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[01:04] <helmut__> holycow, currently i have a line like "wireless-key 1561561156115165156" in it
[01:04] <holycow> that sounds right, you can man interfaces btw
[01:04] <helmut__> wezzer-, will it be executed *before* ubuntu tries to synchronize my clock? :-)
[01:04] <holycow> helmut__, thats not working?
[01:04] <wezzer-> helmut__: I don't know, try :)
[01:05] <aford> hi I am a new ubuntu user wanting to install php5
[01:05] <som1> aford, use sudo apt-cache search php
[01:05] <holycow> aford, k.
[01:05] <reiken> ok, i've got a IBM R51 where i juz installed ubuntu, the digital projector can't seem to detect any RGB signal despite the fact that everything is connected
[01:05] <reiken> it just says no signal
[01:05] <holycow> reiken, that is a hardware issue imho
[01:05] <Madpilot> aford: php5 has to be compiled. php4 is in Ubuntu's repos.
[01:06] <holycow> reiken, you did properly switch from lcd to video out mode on the laptop with whatever shortcut is required?
[01:06] <Madpilot> aford: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PHP5FromSource <-- if you really want to compile php5
[01:07] <aford> does it take long to install php5?
[01:07] <holycow> no, to compile, yes
[01:07] <helmut__> wezzer-, thx for the tip i will try it
[01:07] <helmut__> holycow, thank you too :-)
[01:07] <luzbelito> hi to all. anyone knows how to exe app under WINE windowed and in 1024x768 please???
[01:07] <Madpilot> no idea, I just installed php4. much easier
[01:07] <aford> holycow, madpilot: how long will it take to complile?
[01:07] <wezzer-> depends on your system
[01:08] <holycow> aford, depends on your cpu, not sure offhand
[01:08] <aford> its a celeron 2000
[01:08] <aford> 512 ram..
[01:08] <holycow> luzbelito, i think you need to run wine-setup or something like that to configure wine it self for that resolution
[01:08] <aford> I mean, will it take hours? or under an hour?
[01:08] <holycow> not hours no
[01:08] <brammator> not hours
[01:08] <brammator> days maybe
[01:09] <holycow> could be 10 minuts could be 20, not sure never bothered compiling php
[01:09] <Madpilot> got to get some sleep - suddenly it's 0410 here. later, all.
[01:09] <raven3x7> anyone what this means:
[01:09] <holycow> Madpilot, weird, are you on the west coast?
[01:09] <raven3x7> This is an iso-8859-7 mapping. Use together with "setfont iso07. activated by sending Esc ( K to the console.
[01:09] <Madpilot> holycow: yeah. BC
[01:09] <holycow> lol no kidding
[01:09] <holycow> me too
[01:10] <Madpilot> holycow: where in BC?
[01:10] <holycow> vancouver, u?
[01:10] <Madpilot> victoria - overseas from you...
[01:10] <tikka> hm
[01:10] <aford> I am amazed at how easy this os has been to install!
[01:10] <holycow> burgundavia is over there too i think
[01:10] <holycow> neat
[01:11] <luzbelito> holycow, impossible to configure from setup. i think its in command line. i tried to do it, but i can't get it
[01:11] <Crafty-Catcher> Does anyone know how to get lynx work with aview?
[01:11] <Madpilot> holycow: yup - even worse: Burgundavia is my younger brother...
[01:11] <holycow> ehe
[01:11] <holycow> rofl
[01:11] <holycow> allrighy :)
[01:11] <co-ind> hellow
[01:11] <[Spooky] > hey folks :)
[01:11] <co-ind> how install xmms ?
[01:11] <Madpilot> there's another Ubuntuite over here too. quite a collection...
[01:12] <Random_Sindrom> co-ind apt-get install xmms
[01:12] <Madpilot> anyway, I really do need sleep. Later, all.
[01:12] <holycow> luzbelito, there isnt a resolution pulldown menu from one of the sections on the left hand side?
[01:12] <holycow> weird
[01:12] <holycow> maybe it was for something ielse, okay sorry, don't know luzbelito
[01:12] <co-ind> E: Package xmms has no installation candidate <<<<???
[01:13] <luzbelito> how you invoke linux setup ???? wine-setup doesnt do it
[01:13] <co-ind> why ?
[01:13] <raven3x7> noone?
[01:13] <thoreauputic> co-ind: you need the universe repository
[01:13] <holycow> co-ind, apt-cache search xmms
[01:13] <thoreauputic> !rpos
[01:13] <ubotu> thoreauputic: I haven't a clue
[01:13] <holycow> and you will see :)
[01:13] <thoreauputic> !repos
[01:13] <ubotu> repos is, like, at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:13] <holycow> or that
[01:13] <co-ind> libflac6 - Free Lossless Audio Codec - runtime C library <<<
[01:14] <co-ind> libsmpeg0 - SDL MPEG Player Library - shared libraries <<< what next ?
[01:14] <holycow> yeah hes right, you need universe
[01:14] <Random_Sindrom> co-ind edit sources file
[01:14] <Crafty-Catcher> Another question is what is the system doing after booting, if you do not enter a login name and pw - bec after a while like 5minutes displaying the login screen the comp start working and fills the RAM with sth. Does onyone know with what it's filling the RAM?
[01:14] <co-ind> where ?
[01:15] <thoreauputic> co-ind: read the page ubotu posted above to see how to add repositories :)
[01:15] <holycow> Crafty-Catcher, gnome? depends, how much ram does your system have?
[01:15] <rowanjl> Hey
[01:15] <Crafty-Catcher> 200 MB
[01:15] <Crafty-Catcher> after booting about 140MB are filled
[01:15] <Random_Sindrom> yes...co-ind all that is in the hoary guide
[01:15] <holycow> how gnome needs very little
[01:15] <thoreauputic> co-ind:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto  << in case you missed it :)
[01:15] <rowanjl> Can I ge Ubuntu to download and install the latest Gnome version? I'm using warty.
[01:15] <Crafty-Catcher> after waiting for 5 minutes 191 MB is filled
[01:16] <holycow> Crafty-Catcher, sounds like you have a memory leak
[01:16] <holycow> open up your system monitor and check which app is taking up the most ram
[01:16] <brian__> hi
[01:16] <Crafty-Catcher> the question is what is causing it ;) bec the only thing i installed is lynx, aview and apache
[01:17] <holycow> Crafty-Catcher, is your setup headless? or is this on a desktop with gnome?
[01:17] <Crafty-Catcher> i didn't login on that machine yet - whats the command via putty command line?
[01:17] <Crafty-Catcher> it's a desktop
[01:17] <Crafty-Catcher> but it's filling the ram without login in and loading all the desktop stuff
[01:18] <Pixel83> Crafty-Catcher, are you talking about apache reporting a memory leak?
[01:18] <holycow> Crafty-Catcher, top should do it
[01:18] <Crafty-Catcher> no i think it happened even before i installed the apache
[01:19] <warnet> hi
[01:19] <andres> hi
[01:19] <warnet> ini br ya
[01:19] <holycow> maybe a process is out of control and you need to kill it, i.e. apache? :)
[01:19] <Pixel83> it's just because I installed apache yesterday (but under debian sarge) (xampp to be exactly) and apache died just after startup
[01:19] <Pixel83> but thats probably something different.
[01:20] <warnet> hi
[01:20] <Raptoid> selamlar..
[01:21] <ircrob> can you run wine on x86-64
[01:22] <holycow> theoretically debians 64 bit port works, so probably yes
[01:22] <mjr> ircrob, yes, but you need an environment supporting 32-bit binaries too (like a 32-bit chroot)
[01:22] <holycow> oh right what mjr said, right
[01:22] <som1> how can i use a proxy for something if that something doesnt support proxies?
[01:22] <Crafty-Catcher> hm after reading the top stuff i think it has sth to do with the apche
[01:22] <ircrob> mjr: for the dlls ?
[01:22] <holycow> Crafty-Catcher, yeah, kill it and see
[01:22] <holycow> shit happens
[01:22] <mjr> ircrob, no, for wine
[01:22] <mjr> wine needs to be a 32-bit executable
[01:23] <co-ind> why nothing
[01:23] <xxenon> is there a package that provide win32 codecs, or shall I copy the DLL's myself ?
[01:23] <co-ind> xmms
[01:23] <holycow> xxenon, yep there is a package
[01:23] <holycow> !win32codecs
[01:23] <ubotu> holycow: Bugger all, i dunno
[01:23] <holycow> damn :)
[01:23] <holycow> w32codecs
[01:23] <holycow> !w32codecs
[01:23] <ubotu> [w32codecs]  a set of codecs needed to play many common audio and video formats, such as WMV. You can install w32codecs from the hoary-extras repositories (see: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org).
[01:23] <thoreauputic> !w32codecs
[01:23] <holycow> lol
[01:23] <holycow> >_>
[01:23] <thoreauputic> :)
[01:23] <xxenon> k.
[01:24] <som1> how can i use a proxy for something if that something doesnt support proxies?
[01:24] <raven3x7> anyone know why setfont does not exist in ubuntu?
[01:25] <peter__> somebodys using initng here?
[01:25] <ircrob> is wine in hoary-extras ?
[01:25] <holycow> som1, chances are you can set something up with a bit of work, but you will haveto google it
[01:25] <holycow> setting up proxies can be tricky
[01:25] <holycow> if an app doesn't expect a proxy you may have a few difficulties
[01:25] <som1> i have a few already
[01:25] <som1> thats why i want to use one ..
[01:25] <thoreauputic> ircrob: wine is in universe
[01:26] <holycow> som1, *nod* irc is really only good for 1 dimensional conversations and questions
[01:26] <som1> what?
[01:26] <holycow> anything that takes a bit more than two sentences really wont be answered here to any satisfaction
[01:26] <holycow> i really do recommend google
[01:27] <vader1102> holycow: that's how I get a lot of answers lol
[01:27] <holycow> vader1102, for the simple quickies its great
[01:27] <holycow> nothing like peer reviewed support
[01:28] <vader1102> and for the detailed fixes too as long as you READ carefully lol
[01:28] <ircrob> thoreauputic: have universe in sources, but cannot get wine ?
[01:28] <thoreauputic> ircrob: odd - you aren't running amd64 are you?
[01:28] <ircrob> thoreauputic: yes i am
[01:28] <thoreauputic> ircrob: ah
[01:29] <thoreauputic> ircrob: I don't think wine will be available then - it requires 32 bit : you would need a chroot and have to muck about
[01:30] <holycow> ircrob, he's right, i've seen a number of 3d animation guys haveto do this as well for their apps
[01:30] <raven3x7> hey anyone know how to change gnomes keyboard mapping? not the xserver one?
[01:31] <Crafty-Catcher> ok this is wiered when i start the tool which displays me the RAM usage it says it only 110 MB are being used and a cat /proc/meminfo says 189 MB are used
[01:31] <holycow> raven3x7, you mean besides system / pref / keyboard?
[01:31] <holycow> blah, nm :) ehe
[01:31] <holycow> i mean kb shortcuts, there we go
[01:32] <anatole_> how do i make gqview the default picture-viewer?
[01:32] <DaeDaluz> Gnome-panel crashed, is asked if I wanted to restart it, I clicked yes.  and now It keeps giving errors "I've detected a panel already running. and will now exit."
[01:32] <DaeDaluz> Can I stop it?
[01:32] <Softarn> is it illegal to access other ppls wireless in usa?
[01:32] <Crafty-Catcher> yes Softarn
[01:32] <holycow> raven3x7, if you mean us vs othercountry layout it should in in keyboard preferences
[01:32] <Softarn> hehe sweden rules
[01:32] <Crafty-Catcher> someone was beeing arrested for doing that and has to stay in jail for some time now
[01:33] <raven3x7> holycow yes that changes xkb
[01:33] <raven3x7> holycow, i told gnome to override that
[01:33] <ircrob> may be getting a bit technical, but setup a chroot, but my /home is on another partition, having some problems with that
[01:33] <holycow> raven3x7, ah! okay.  just out of curiosity, this results in what exactly that your not looking for?  just curious what the issues is in more depth
[01:34] <vader1102> Craft-Catcher: it is here in Canada too but they don't really enforce it or they would have stores quit selling the snoopers
[01:34] <Crafty-Catcher> i know - here in germany they do enforce it but i read the news how canada deals with it
[01:34] <vader1102> lol
[01:34] <holycow> what news about canada?
[01:34] <holycow> link?
[01:34] <vader1102> it is funny isn't it
[01:35] <raven3x7> holycow i cant change to greek although my default keymap in xkb is greek
[01:35] <Crafty-Catcher> somewhere on spiegel.de ;) (in germany of course shout be about 2 month old)
[01:35] <Crafty-Catcher> germany=german
[01:35] <vader1102> holy cow we are talking about how the cnandian gvnmt doesn't really enforce the wireless laws
[01:36] <holycow> raven3x7, weird :/ i don't have an answer to that i'm sorry
[01:36] <holycow> vader1102, well yeah, ehe :)
[01:36] <holycow> Crafty-Catcher, i thought you had a link or something?
[01:36] <vader1102> I live south of TO and here they sell the snoopers pretty cheap lol
[01:37] <holycow> you must of read this somewhere
[01:37] <Crafty-Catcher> i told you use the seachr function on www.spiegel.de
[01:37] <holycow> vader1102, you mean laptops with wireless cards, right? ;)
[01:37] <vader1102> yup, I got one and an actuall snooper
[01:37] <holycow> Crafty-Catcher, heh, i think your reading some german nonsense
[01:37] <holycow> :)
[01:38] <holycow> read some canadian newspapers before you come to a conclusion
[01:38] <anatole_> how do i make ls to show only the directories?
[01:38] <vader1102> holycow: he will, we were just chattin about it
[01:39] <holycow> anatole_, ls -d strangely enough :)
[01:39] <holycow> you can man ls too tho :)
[01:39] <Crafty-Catcher> i don't have to comment on that - you could say the same in reverse about every country - i just read that they aren't that "active" on catching illegeal wlan users
[01:39] <aford> Im trying to install phpMyAdmin, and cant find it in Synaptic
[01:39] <anatole_> yep i tried but for some strange reason it does not work the way i want it
[01:39] <anatole_> i mean my there are folders and subfolders, and in the subfolders, files
[01:39] <Seveas> aford, simply download it from the phpmyadmin site
[01:40] <anatole_> i want to list the dirs and subdirs so i tried ls -d -R
[01:40] <vader1102> Crafty-Catcher: you are right my friend
[01:40] <holycow> Crafty-Catcher, not only is the law on this vague, so is your statement
[01:40] <anatole_> but it showed only a "."
[01:40] <aford> are there mirrors that I should add to my sources.list for this sort of thing?
[01:40] <holycow> they have caught some dude in toronto in a car surfing kiddie porn on a wireless lang outside someones house
[01:40] <Seveas> aford, it requires no 'installing', you put it in a folder unpack it, edit the config and done :)
[01:40] <vader1102> sorry for bringing it up
[01:40] <holycow> but he didn't go to the pogey for the wireless access it was for the stuff on his laptop
[01:40] <holycow> and the fact he was naked in his car
[01:40] <aford> Seveas thanks!
[01:41] <ircrob> here is a mount question, have /home/rob and /media/sda3/rob what do i put in fstab ?
[01:41] <Seveas> ircrob, depends on what you want :)
[01:41] <ircrob> Seveas: /home/rob as the link
[01:42] <ircrob> Seveas: /home/rob as the mount
[01:42] <holycow> on the other hand there was some guy in the states that got trumped up on some charges for using a wireless network without auth ... but thats america
[01:42] <Seveas> you know that that makes everything that's currently in /home/rob unreachable....
[01:42] <holycow> whatever they do does not really apply up here, its lik enight and day between the two countries in terms of how and what they prosecute for
[01:43] <ircrob> Seveas: so mount on /home ?
[01:43] <thoreauputic> anatole_: ls -lR | grep ^d should work
[01:43] <vader1102> holycow: I appoligized for talking him about this
[01:43] <Seveas> ircrob, that would make everything currently in /home unreachable :)
[01:43] <tucoz> Is the correct way to change from gdm to kdm to edit /etc/inittab?
[01:43] <rowanjl> Hmm, how do I get rhythembox installed in warty?
[01:44] <holycow> vader1102, how come?
[01:44] <Seveas> ircrob, simply do ln -s /media/sda3/rob /home/rob/rob
[01:44] <Crafty-Catcher> well anyways holycow as much as i know about canada my plans are to leave germany one day and enter canada ;)
[01:44] <Seveas> that way you'll get a 'rob' folder inside your homedir
[01:44] <vader1102> because I realized you were getting upset about it
[01:44] <HiddenWolf> rowanjl: it should be installed
[01:44] <Random_Sindrom> rowanjl: it is installed
[01:44] <thoreauputic> rowanjl: it's installed by default - music player
[01:44] <Seveas> rowanjl, sudo aptitude install rhythmbox
[01:44] <HiddenWolf> rowanjl: and using warty at this piont is terribly outdated
[01:44] <holycow> Crafty-Catcher, ehe, okay. why leaving germany?  i'm just curious
[01:44] <rowanjl> hah, I hate it when the app has the wrong name
[01:44] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, it's still supported :)
[01:45] <anatole_> thoreauputic: thanks but that lists files as well :)
[01:45] <luzbelito> i can't install beep media player plugin. can anyone help me ?
[01:45] <holycow> vader1102, what?
[01:45] <LokeDK> I have this external floppy drive, and it doesn't get mounted automatically.. how do I do that my self?
[01:45] <holycow> vader1102, relax
[01:45] <vader1102> anyhow, I am sitting reading the text a good way of learning
[01:45] <rowanjl> I don't have a copy of any later versions :(
[01:45] <vader1102> I am now
[01:45] <ircrob> Seveas: there is nothing in /home/rob
[01:45] <kemik> rowanjl:  add the hoary repos. and apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:49] <HiddenWolf> Seveas: yeah, but it's ancient! :)
[01:49] <kemik> !dist-upgrade
[01:49] <tucoz> Do I just stop gdm, and start kdm instead?
[01:49] <ubotu> kemik: No idea
[01:49] <rowanjl> kemik, how big is it?
[01:49] <tucoz> will that make kdm default?
[01:49] <holycow> vader1102, as an aside, i don't get this channel sometimes, people get offended by a comma
[01:49] <thoreauputic> anatole_: it should only list entries beginning with d  - did you include the pipe?  | grep ^d
[01:49] <kemik> rowanjl:  i dont know, are you on a slow connection ?
[01:49] <vader1102> lol
[01:49] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, compared to any other distro it's not :)
[01:49] <rowanjl> kemik, yep
[01:49] <holycow> put an apostrophy on the wrong part of a sentence and we have a flamewar
[01:49] <Seveas> rowanjl, 600MB possibly
[01:49] <holycow> its irc dudes :)
[01:49] <vader1102> sorry I may have mis-read something
[01:49] <Mondoshawan> hi! somebody knows how to configure ftpd?
[01:49] <rowanjl> Seveas, to big
[01:49] <Seveas> rowanjl, then stick with warty :)
[01:49] <kemik> rowanjl:  order the CD and upgrade from that then perhaps
[01:49] <Seveas> rowanjl, at http://shipit.ubuntu.com you can order free cds
[01:49] <holycow> Mondoshawan, well depends on the ftpd
[01:49] <HiddenWolf> rowanjl: *Free* cd
[01:49] <Random_Sindrom> rowanjl...don't you have the hoary cd yet..?
[01:49] <ZincX> are there programs to open .gp3 and .gp4 files ?
[01:49] <rowanjl> kemik, have done, but thats how I got warty so it makes me wait :/
[01:49] <holycow> which one do you have installed? and what do you need to confi?
[01:49] <Seveas> ZincX, what are they?
[01:49] <Random_Sindrom> I upgrade from cd...with no harms...
[01:49] <anatole_> thoreauputic: it works now... it lists in some strange way tho :)
[01:49] <ZincX> Seveas, guitar pro files
[01:49] <DJ_Necrogami> they need to update Ruby package to 1.8.2
[01:49] <Seveas> they won't DJ_Necrogami
[01:49] <Seveas> unless it's a security upgrade
[01:49] <DJ_Necrogami> ~.~
[01:49] <DJ_Necrogami> gah
[01:49] <holycow> DJ_Necrogami, just wait for the next release
[01:49] <rowanjl> Thats right isn't it? If you got a copy of warty from shipit, you have to wait longer to get a copy of hoary...
[01:49] <holycow> releases are only 6 months appart anyway
[01:49] <Seveas> ZincX, apt-cache search guitar shows a few candidates...
[01:49] <DJ_Necrogami> Notes to all Users of Rails .. unless ya upgrade/install manually Ruby w/ Rails dont work
[01:49] <rowanjl> When did hoary arrive? :)
[01:49] <DJ_Necrogami> Rubygems wont install
[01:49] <Seveas> rowanjl, you will *not* automatically get copys of hoary cd's
[01:49] <Crafty-Catcher> bec. i don't like it hehe - i think that the ppl are all only complaining and don't see anymore that they live a much easier and much more comfotable life than quite a lot of other ppl on this world. and furthermore i don't like the government situtaion atm especially the policy how to deal with foreigners (and it seems it's getting worse in the closer future) maybe i think like that bec my fiance is from malaysia
[01:49] <Seveas> you will have to order them
[01:49] <holycow> DJ_Necrogami, well, have you tried debian maybe?
[01:49] <Random_Sindrom> rowanjl: hoary is already delivered
[01:49] <rowanjl> Seveas, I have, but I don't know if it worked
[01:49] <DJ_Necrogami> yea i havent dived into that mess heh
[01:49] <Seveas> Random_Sindrom, it's still being sent out
[01:49] <DJ_Necrogami> i need a sources list for debian packages
[01:49] <Seveas> they send 120.000 cds per week...
[01:50] <thoreauputic_> anatole_: sorry - ISP cut me off - did you see my post re: pipe?
[01:50] <rowanjl> Random_Sindrom, your point?
[01:50] <holycow> Seveas, wow
[01:50] <rowanjl> Amazing
[01:51] <Mondoshawan> Ok, i have installed ftpd and i create a new user ... (with ssh i can connect with this user and the homedir. ist the right one) but i can not connect to ftp with this account  why?
[01:51] <DJ_Necrogami> holycow know where i can get deb'
[01:51] <HiddenWolf> Seveas: 120.000?
[01:51] <DJ_Necrogami> deb's for my sources.list?
[01:51] <HiddenWolf> DJ_Necrogami: debs for what?
[01:51] <holycow> DJ_Necrogami, what?
[01:51] <HiddenWolf> Ubuntu has everything debian has in it's universe
[01:51] <holycow> HiddenWolf, he's looking for a higher version of ruby for ror
[01:51] <DJ_Necrogami> i ment for the Debian Package Directory
[01:52] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, yes, 120.000
[01:52] <Seveas> a total of little over 2 million so far
[01:52] <rowanjl> Seveas, you mean 120,000 right?
[01:52] <Seveas> DJ_Necrogami, you mean something like packaged.debian.org / packages.ubuntu.com ..?
[01:52] <vader1102> Seveas: I am waiting for mine right now lol, ordered them last week so I have a while to wait lol
[01:52] <HiddenWolf> DJ_Necrogami: you'll have to look at the ruby site what the latest version is, and if they supply debs. Then use packages.debian.org to figure out if there are packages for that version
[01:52] <Mondoshawan> Ok, i have installed ftpd and i create a new user ... (with ssh i can connect with this user and the homedir. ist the right one) but i can not connect to ftp with this account  why?
[01:53] <Mondoshawan> Can somebody help me?
[01:53] <Seveas> rowanjl, i meant one-hundred twenty thousand :)
[01:53] <rowanjl> Yeah
[01:53] <ZincX> anyone know ? a program i can use to open guitar pro files ?
[01:53] <vader1102> Mondoshawn: if they know the answer they will respond
[01:53] <holycow> ZincX, i think only gpro can open those files, however on another note, what kind of guitar do you play?
[01:53] <DJ_Necrogami> meh i installed it manually just i need other libs for what im working on .. its a pain
[01:54] <ZincX> holycow, :P electric
[01:54] <anatole_> ZincX: dguitar
[01:54] <vader1102> brb coffee time and also put a movie in
[01:54] <ZincX> anatole_, dguitar ?
[01:54] <holycow> ehe <_<
[01:54] <anatole_> it sucks imo however
[01:54] <ZincX> anatole_, but i can open those files aen ?
[01:54] <anatole_> yes
[01:55] <ircrob> vader1102: put a movie in what ?
[01:55] <vader1102> my tv dvd player
[01:56] <ircrob> vader1102: i put movies in my PC :-)
[01:57] <vader1102> I do when I aint working on them lol
[01:57] <holycow> anatole_, thx for that, i've never heard of it before
[01:57] <holycow> neat
[01:57] <holycow> i should package that up
[01:57] <holycow> ah no need, java, nice
[01:58] <znh> i'm searching a swf decompiler, does anyone know some?
[01:59] <paulproteus> /who #ubuntu
[01:59] <paulproteus> Oops.
[01:59] <znh> :P
[01:59] <rowanjl> Anyone know of a repo with php5 in it?
[02:02] <znh> rowanjl: If you want a fast as possible webserver you should compile it from source
[02:03] <paulproteus> znh: ?
[02:03] <rowanjl> true
[02:03] <paulproteus> znh: Apache is no faster compiled from source than compiled by Ubuntu.
[02:03] <paulproteus> znh: People who tell you otherwise don't understand how computers work.
[02:04] <znh> paulproteus: I disagree, programs from source are always faster, because they are being optimized for the processor
[02:04] <paulproteus> znh: And I disagree - programs optimized for a particular compiler (EXCEPT the really math-heavy ones) tend to be just as fast but have bigger binaries
[02:04] <holycow> znh, you have at least one gentoo box on the shefl i'm guessing?
[02:04] <holycow> :)
[02:04] <paulproteus> and bigger binaries means more cache misses and more loads from disk.
[02:04] <paulproteus> znh: Take a computer architecture class.
[02:05] <znh> paulproteus: I had gentoo yes, but that has nothing to do with this
[02:05] <paulproteus> znh: Now, *yes*, very math-intensive things like mplayer could benefit.  But not disk-bound programs like Apach.e
[02:05] <paulproteus> I didn't bring up Gentoo, holycow did.
[02:05] <holycow> znh, i'm kidden :)
[02:06] <rowanjl> flamers, now my question?
[02:06] <holycow> k. go
[02:06] <znh> paulproteus: dude, apache can be even more intensive as mplayer - if the apache server gets many requests it really does mather if it's compiled from source or not, I have a two webservers at myself - http://www.openhost.nl
[02:06] <paulproteus> rowanjl: Oh, right, sorry. ;)
[02:06] <paulproteus> znh: That's false.  Memory-intensive: yes.
[02:06] <holycow> oh repo with php5, try backports
[02:06] <paulproteus> That's why bad optimization settings hurt you.  CPU intensive: No.
[02:06] <rowanjl> holycow, for warty?
[02:06] <znh> paulproteus: mate, you can say what ever you want, but it really does mather :)
[02:06] <holycow> if its not there chances are it doesn't exist as an ubuntu ready binary ... you might google for debian repost for it
[02:07] <paulproteus> znh: You can say whatever you want, but I do suggest you take a computer architecture class.
[02:07] <paulproteus> Sorry, I was a little harsh.
[02:07] <holycow> for warty? i won't ask but i've not heard of it
[02:08] <tikka> meow
[02:08] <rowanjl> bark
[02:08] <kemik> woof
[02:08] <vader1102> holycow: I was using warty for a week or so, never could get my sound working in it. Hoary did it auto magically
[02:08] <ArdieM> is anyone playing nwn on linux in here?
[02:08] <holycow> vader1102, *nod* yep
[02:08] <raven3x7> hi again
[02:08] <holycow> hola
[02:08] <kemik> but there's still issues with Hoary and sound
[02:08] <lindsay> hello I am trying to access my NTFS partitions through /media in Konqueror, I cant access them unless I go kdesu is there a way to access it as my normal user?
[02:09] <rowanjl> I'll end up using either FC4, or Hoary, depending on what cds I get first
[02:09] <thoreauputic> !mountwindows
[02:09] <ubotu> somebody said mountwindows was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[02:09] <holycow> kemik, always, both printing and sound are weird areas on linux
[02:09] <kemik> lindsay:  specify uid=1001 and gid=1001 (if thats your user that want acces)
[02:09] <onur> how do i xkill in gnome ?
[02:09] <lindsay> how?
[02:09] <thoreauputic> lindsay: the botom part of ubotu's page might help you
[02:09] <onur> kemik,  trk msn ?
[02:10] <vader1102> when I get my Hoary cd's I am going to convert a few of my customers
[02:10] <thoreauputic> *bottom
[02:10] <kemik> holycow:  mmh, trying to get CUPS and my printer to work, not having much luck so far
[02:10] <kemik> onur:  no
[02:10] <raven3x7> anyone seen this x error before http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/842
[02:10] <onur> kemik, but you know turkish ?
[02:10] <paulproteus> lindsay: Step 4 in particular.
[02:10] <kemik> onur:  no, not really
[02:10] <onur> ok
[02:10] <lindsay> how can I find my UID and GID?
[02:10] <onur> how do i xkill in gnome ?
[02:10] <paulproteus> onur: Alt-F2
[02:10] <paulproteus> type xkill
[02:11] <paulproteus> Then notice the mouse cursor goes to the evil xkill thing.  Click on the window you want to blow up.
[02:11] <thoreauputic> lindsay: type id in a terminal
[02:11] <onur> as a  shortcut like kde ?
[02:11] <rowanjl> I have a box where xbill is really xkill :/
[02:11] <rowanjl> Its actually running RedHat 5.2 :P
[02:11] <holycow> paulproteus, heh, i've not seen that b4
[02:12] <holycow> paulproteus, is that what the force quit applet does too?
[02:12] <onur> paulproteus, any keyboard short cuts like in kde ?
[02:12] <paulproteus> holycow: That's not the force quit applet.
[02:12] <paulproteus> holycow: This is the force quit applet from 1992. :)
[02:12] <holycow> heh
[02:12] <holycow> :)
[02:12] <Mez> holycow, php5 isnt in bp
[02:12] <paulproteus> holycow: It's bound to ctrl-alt-esc in KDE, hence onur's question (and familiarity).  onur, I don't know.
[02:12] <paulproteus> onur: Maybe there's a general way to customize keyboard shortcuts in GNOME.
[02:12] <holycow> Mez, yeah then it probably hasn't been packaged
[02:13] <onur> yeah there is but just curious if theres a built in one
[02:13] <Mez> holycow, is there a demand for it/
[02:13] <holycow> Mez, someone asked for it earlier, so i persume current demmand == 1
[02:13] <raven3x7> huh now it works?
[02:14] <holycow> hehe
[02:14] <Mez> rowanjl, what was that for ?
[02:15] <onur> in java applets i can't hear sound (where i know i should) why ?
[02:15] <rowanjl> I'm the demand
[02:15] <PrimoTurbo> How can I hide a folder in ubuntu?
[02:15] <onur> does anyone know ?
[02:15] <thoreauputic> onur: just a guess - the java applet doesn't understand esd
[02:15] <LinuxJones> onur, System >> Preferences >> Keyboard Shortcuts
[02:15] <holycow> PrimoTurbo, add a . to the beginning of the name
[02:15] <onur> thoreauputic, what is esd ?
[02:15] <blastmanu> hi
[02:15] <PrimoTurbo> an a?
[02:15] <thoreauputic> onur: Enlightened Sound Daemon
[02:15] <onur> thoreauputic,  i know that applet gives sound in Suse
[02:15] <PrimoTurbo> so if it was named test, then it would be atest
[02:15] <kemik> PrimoTurbo:  no a "."
[02:16] <PrimoTurbo> ohh
[02:16] <onur> thoreauputic, is there a way to fix it ?
[02:16] <PrimoTurbo> will the folder then be named .name
[02:16] <thoreauputic> onur: probably Suse is using artsd (if KDE)
[02:16] <holycow> heh yes
[02:16] <kemik> PrimoTurbo:  yes
[02:16] <PrimoTurbo> Because I'm trying to hide the incomplete folder for limewire
[02:16] <onur> LinuxJones,  what am i suppose to find there ?
[02:16] <vader1102> I am using suse9.2 on my desktop pc lol
[02:16] <onur> thoreauputic, is there way to fix ?
[02:17] <PrimoTurbo> and limewire uses "Incomplete" I cannot even rename it to "incomplete"
[02:17] <PrimoTurbo> will the . mess that up?
[02:17] <kemik> not sure how limewire works, but probably so
[02:17] <onur> vader1102, ther are enormous number of bugs in Suse, it is heavy strong and a lot slow
[02:17] <holycow> vader1102, and asking for help in #ubuntu because?
[02:17] <holycow> -_-
[02:17] <thoreauputic> onur: there probably is, but I don't know it offhand - you could try killing esd before running it
[02:17] <PrimoTurbo> damn
[02:17] <kemik> PrimoTurbo:  linux is case-sensitive so "incomplete" and "Incomplete" are different names
[02:17] <PrimoTurbo> alright, thnx anyway
[02:17] <PrimoTurbo> yeah I know
[02:18] <LinuxJones> onur, you were looking for keyboard shortcuts ?
[02:18] <thoreauputic> onur: I know very little about esd and sound, sorry
[02:18] <onur> thoreauputic, but in that case  i cant hear anything
[02:18] <onur> LinuxJones, yeah but there are nothing to do with xkill i suppose
[02:18] <rowanjl> I'm not to worried about not having PHP5, after all, every single php editor for linux sucks
[02:18] <thoreauputic> onur: did you try it? If it doesn't work you can restart esd with  esd &
[02:19] <onur> rowanjl, check out PRADO for php
[02:19] <rowanjl> But one thing, am I stuck with just Firefox PR1!?
[02:19] <onur> thoreauputic,  i dont know how to do it
[02:19] <thoreauputic> onur: some apps will only make sound without esd
[02:19] <cafuego> wtf would you needa _php editor_ for?
[02:19] <rowanjl> cafuego, editing PHP?
[02:19] <LinuxJones> onur, you can add a Force Quit applet to your Gnome panel
[02:19] <kemik> rowanjl:  gvim ! :)
[02:19] <cafuego> surely you _know_ the api
[02:19] <onur> rowanjl, best editor for php is phpeclipse
[02:19] <cafuego> vim works fine
[02:20] <rowanjl> die you vile beast!
[02:20] <kemik> ViM
[02:20] <kemik> ;)
[02:20] <thoreauputic> onur: type  killall esd  in a terminal,   to start esd again type  esd &
[02:20] <onur> LinuxJones, how ?
[02:20] <onur> thoreauputic,  ok
[02:20] <cafuego> if(in_array("vim", $good_for_php)) echo "Yeah";
[02:20] <rowanjl> onur, one day I'll download that
[02:21] <rowanjl> onur, how does it handle xhtml, xml and css?
[02:21] <LinuxJones> onur, right click the panel, click add to panel, scroll down to force quit, then hit add
[02:21] <onur> rowanjl, it has autocomplete and , function and class folding just like visual stuodio for php
[02:21] <cafuego> bloody hell, my cats are BAD
[02:21] <rowanjl> onur, never used VS
[02:22] <vader1102> I use gedit for the simple reaosn. simple to use
[02:22] <rowanjl> So it has support for xhtml and css?
[02:23] <cafuego> VS is probably the WORST editor I've ever used
[02:23] <onur> rowanjl, anyway it is a good thing, i tried vim and the others. Obviously they are good but no specialized on php. Phpeclipse runs on eclipse 3.0.x is far best i saw
[02:23] <cafuego> rowanjl: vim? yes.
[02:23] <yonil> what's the linux "replacement" to windows's ipconfig ?
[02:23] <rowanjl> No, eclipse
[02:23] <kemik> eclipse is overall a great IDE
[02:23] <LinuxJones> cafuego, cats are bad in general.... I like big lazy dogs :D
[02:23] <kemik> yonil:  ifconfig ?
[02:23] <onur> LinuxJones, thanx it is done
[02:23] <thoreauputic> yonil:  ifconfig
[02:23] <LinuxJones> onur, ;)
[02:23] <cafuego> they're killing eachother and ran across my pizza
[02:23] <LinuxJones> heh
[02:23] <rowanjl> vim isn't gnome like, and its also a pain in the arse
[02:24] <cafuego> rowanjl: Nothing is going to be BBEdit. vim is a good second.
[02:24] <rowanjl> Never used BBEdit
[02:24] <rowanjl> Mac only right?
[02:24] <cafuego> Yep
[02:25] <sexcopter8001m> bit off the linux topic, but what speed for a p4 would you equate a centrino 1.6 to?
[02:25] <rowanjl> I've used PHP edit, its got the best syntax highlighting ever
[02:25] <Ave> helo, is it safe to upgrade into breezy as of now?
[02:25] <vader1102> I may try a mac g3 desktop, any suggestions on how to install Linux on it?
[02:25] <cafuego> Ave: /topic. (no)
[02:25] <DJ_Necrogami> anyone messed w/ ubuntu and getting 2Wire PCMCIA Wireless Card running?
[02:25] <Ave> gotcha
[02:25] <cafuego> vader1102: Is is a beige one?
[02:25] <vader1102> yes lol
[02:26] <poningru> Ave: whats your level of expertise?
[02:26] <Ave> all in caps even
[02:26] <cafuego> vader1102: With pain.
[02:26] <Ave> used debian since potato for servers and desktop
[02:26] <vader1102> I guess, never even fired it up lol
[02:26] <poningru> if its high up there with the devs then go for it
[02:26] <cafuego> Ave: It will be released in October. Just be patient.
[02:26] <Ave> I recently put ubuntu into my laptop because I'm sick and tired of TINKERING with my desktops, servers should be enough
[02:26] <cafuego> vader1102: Those guys (I think) don't support booting from the Ubuntu CD.
[02:26] <LinuxJones> Here's a sneak preview of the upcoming Gnome 2.12 release scheduled for inclusion with Breezy Badger in October >> http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-12/ !!
[02:26] <poningru> Ave: if you are remotely familiar with the code base go for it
[02:26] <holycow> doesn't gnome release just before october too?
[02:26] <rowanjl> kemik, tell me about gvim?
[02:27] <poningru> september
[02:27] <holycow> LinuxJones, thx! was just curious about that :)
[02:27] <vader1102> nope, but it should boot to floppy then maybe point it to the cd
[02:27] <Ave> breezy mainly interests bc of the new gnome, if its included
[02:27] <cafuego> holycow: Tht's the point, I think.
[02:27] <LinuxJones> holycow, :D
[02:27] <cafuego> vader1102: Well...
[02:27] <holycow> cafuego, i think i'm cluing in on the gameplan here >_>
[02:27] <paulproteus> LinuxJones: I saw that on slashdot.  It looks really good.
[02:27] <kemik> rowanjl:  it's gnome-vim
[02:27] <holycow> hehehe
[02:27] <holycow> <-- slow
[02:28] <LinuxJones> paulproteus, it is gonna be awesome !!
[02:28] <Ave> ok thanks guys I'll stick with hoary until october
[02:28] <kemik> rowanjl:  basically Vim with a gui
[02:28] <rowanjl> kemik, can you make vim act more like a standard text editor?
[02:28] <cafuego> vader1102: That would be a great idea if there as a bootable floppy image on the CD.
[02:28] <asfra> ave: what happens in october?
[02:28] <vader1102> or maybe I will savemy pennies for a few years and then buy a new notebook and just keep to what I know in a few years
[02:28] <cafuego> rowanjl: In what way is vim not a standard text editor?
[02:28] <holycow> asfra, next ubuntu release
[02:28] <vader1102> true lol
[02:28] <kemik> rowanjl:  how do you mean? it's very keyboard-comman intense, but it's a great editor :)
[02:29] <rowanjl> I just remember lots of keyboard stuff
[02:29] <kemik> yup
[02:29] <onur> thoreauputic,   killing esd worked!!
[02:29] <rowanjl> Ok, I'll try it, where can I get it?
[02:29] <poningru> I had a qestion who is the module owner for the keyboard preference?
[02:29] <thoreauputic> onur: :)
[02:29] <cafuego> rowanjl: Your best bet is ANY editor with syntax highlighting that you like using.
[02:29] <onur> thoreauputic, why do i need esd ?
[02:29] <kemik> rowanjl:  apt-get install gnome-vim
[02:30] <rowanjl> cafuego, I'm yet to find the right one
[02:30] <thoreauputic> onur: esd is evil but gnome uses it in Ubuntu
[02:30] <cafuego> vader1102: Do you have the ppc install cd yet?
[02:30] <kemik> rowanjl:  vim-gnome i mean
[02:30] <cafuego> vader1102: Most people tend to eventually settle on either vim OR emacs.
[02:30] <Mez> rowanjl: building, cross your fingers
[02:30] <onur> thoreauputic, what is  the disadvantage of killing it
[02:30] <holycow> onur, as a side point, if you are ever running cedega, and a game doesnt have sound, kill esd there too
[02:30] <thoreauputic> onur: you *can* change to dmix and get rid of it
[02:30] <rowanjl> Mez, cool
[02:30] <holycow> then restart game via cedega
[02:31] <lee> this may be a stupid question, but how do you switch between workspaces with the keyboard?
[02:31] <Mez> rowanjl, if it builds properly, I'll poke infinity to make the neccesary changes and then get it backported to official
[02:31] <onur> thoreauputic, and how it is that ?
[02:31] <thoreauputic> onur: some apps won't work without it in the default Ubuntu setup
[02:31] <paulproteus> lee: Ctrl-Alt-Right arrow
[02:31] <paulproteus> Or left arrow.
[02:31] <lee> aaah, thanks!
[02:31] <vader1102> cafugo: I have a hard time using vim so I will look at the emacs then
[02:31] <rowanjl> Ok
[02:31] <lee> it's not mentioned in the docs, and I haven't used gnome in ages
[02:31] <Mez> or ctrl tab in kde (for lee)
[02:32] <cafuego> vader1102: That went to the wrong person.
[02:32] <rowanjl> kemik, no good, E: Package vim-gnome has no installation candidate
[02:32] <cafuego> vader1102: Do you have the ppc install cd yet?
[02:32] <thoreauputic> onur: I'm not supposed to recommend the ubuntuguide, acording to Seveas and a few other dictatorial types here *wink*
[02:32] <vader1102> lol
[02:32] <paulproteus> lee: I think I stumbled across it in my usual new-desktop-environment keyboard-mashing. :)
[02:32] <lee> Mez: thanks handy to know too, thanks
[02:32] <vader1102> no idea haven't used the mac yet, not even outof the box...waiting for a rainy day
[02:32] <PrimoTurbo> I downloaded a firefox theme, how do I install it in ubuntu?
[02:33] <holycow> heh
[02:33] <rowanjl> PrimoTurbo, the same way you do everywhere else?
[02:33] <PrimoTurbo> The theme is in .tar.bz2 format, where do I need to put it or extract it?
[02:33] <lee> I've been using fluxbox and alt-[12345]  for years... hd died so I'm trying out ubuntu
[02:33] <holycow> the nautilus trolls will love 2.12
[02:33] <holycow> spatial free nautilus
[02:33] <rowanjl> holycow, eh?
[02:33] <holycow> http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-12/  <-- check it out
[02:33] <onur> There's bug in Ubuntu about a Turkish character where should apply for it ?
[02:33] <holycow> tip goes to LinuxJones for linkage tho
[02:33] <onur>  this letter
[02:33] <cafuego> vader1102: Ah ok. Well, first get the install cd, see if it'll boot. if not, you will need a MacOS install CD as well.
[02:33] <paulproteus> holycow: You know, there's always the chance that they're not trolls but real users with different preferences.... :)
[02:34] <paulproteus> holycow: And to slashdot.
[02:34] <vader1102> okidoki
[02:34] <holycow> paulproteus, amen, tell that to folks around here tho :)
[02:34] <vader1102> I think they said it has mac os 8?
[02:34] <thoreauputic> paulproteus: say it isn't so ! :D
[02:34] <cafuego> vader1102: Plan B involved a tool called BootX.
[02:34] <cafuego> vader1102: OS8 is fine.
[02:34] <DJ_Necrogami> ok i downloaded the pcmcia Drivers how do i install them
[02:34] <vader1102> kool
[02:35] <vader1102> I will try it sometime in the next couple of weeks.
[02:35] <cafuego> Do you know what size disk it has?
[02:35] <j2dope> any gnome meeting users in here?
[02:35] <vader1102> j2dope: not me
[02:35] <DJ_Necrogami> anyone know of any TV/FM Capture Software
[02:36] <DJ_Necrogami> Capture/Tuner
[02:36] <j2dope> i just wanna test it out with someone but oh well
[02:36] <Mez> rowanjl, I'm not gonna build php5 now - it's broken in breezy
[02:36] <vader1102> I have my router blocking them ports and don't want to open then :)
[02:36] <holycow> evolution is polishing up for easier integration with hula, oh that could be damned cool
[02:37] <holycow> especially after evolution is ported to windows
[02:37] <rowanjl> holycow, now all nautilus needs is gecko :) And then I can rid myself of ugly looking firefox forever
[02:37] <rowanjl> ported to windows?
[02:37] <DJ_Necrogami> lol
[02:37] <holycow> rowanjl, hehe, i've been actually using epiphany, i like the integration with gnome
[02:37] <rowanjl> Mez, ok :)
[02:37] <cafuego> rowanjl: Konqueror runs fine in Gnome.
[02:38] <holycow> rowanjl, i read somewhere novell hired someone to port evo to windows
[02:38] <holycow> i haven't seen any project pages yet tho
[02:38] <paulproteus> I would stop using Firefox for Konqueror, but I'm too addicted to all the extensions.
[02:38] <d_i> goodmorning guys :)
[02:39] <holycow> heh! custom cursors! oh joy! now i can't wait for the first piece of cursor spyware to appear on the scene
[02:39] <holycow> >_<
[02:39] <holycow> paulproteus, i'm finding it hard without flash blocker and ad blocker and a few others *nod*
[02:39] <paulproteus> holycow: KDE 3.5 will have an adblock for Konqi, at least.
[02:40] <Hoshimaru> hi. What package contains "mkfontdir" ? X in Breezy beacuse of that I guess
[02:40] <rowanjl> holycow, I don't much like epiphany, but that could be because of the lack of features
[02:40] <Hoshimaru> *is broken
[02:40] <DJ_Necrogami> meh!
[02:40] <paulproteus> Hoshimaru: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Apt-file
[02:40] <cafuego> The Gnome developers should ask apple for the Aqua code <heh>
[02:40] <holycow> rowanjl, yeah its meant to be simple
[02:40] <Hoshimaru> thx paulproteus
[02:40] <vader1102> bbl need to go and have something to eat and maybe get some coffee from the wireless cafe
[02:40] <thoreauputic> !find mkfontdir
[02:40] <paulproteus> apt-file search mkfontdir
[02:40] <rowanjl> holycow, but I'd love my extensions :P
[02:40] <holycow> paulproteus, really? neat!  i honestly haveto say that i miss konqueror from kde
[02:40] <cafuego> thoreauputic: Did you upgrade breezy, naughty man?
[02:40] <ubotu> Ubuntu Search of 'mkfontdir' (1 shown): (/usr/X11R6/bin/mkfontdir) in x11/xutils.
[02:41] <holycow> its the swiss army knife of file browsers
[02:41] <nimra> hello, I am new and trying to install Kubuntu onto my USB ipod HDD
[02:41] <cafuego> Hoshimaru: Aha, YOU did.
[02:41] <thoreauputic> cafuego: no way :)
[02:41] <nimra> could someone give me some help
[02:41] <cafuego> Hoshimaru: Did you miss the /topic ?
[02:41] <holycow> nimra, helo?
[02:41] <Hoshimaru> yes :s I kind of missed it :p
[02:41] <holycow> usb ipod hd?
[02:41] <holycow> what do you mean install?
[02:42] <rowanjl> I think Nautilus will end up being alot better than Konq
[02:42] <cafuego> Hoshimaru: *sigh* Downgrade xutils to a previous version. -33 or -36 or soemthing.
[02:42] <Hoshimaru> k
[02:42] <nimra> I want to install ubuntu for my computer, but not on my computer's hard-disk, but on the ipod's USB harddisk
[02:42] <holycow> rowanjl, i actually have gotten to like spatial nautilus, but then i also like gimp ui :)
[02:42] <rowanjl> Bleh :P
[02:42] <rowanjl> The Gimp is improving mind youi
[02:43] <holycow> nimra, does your bios support usb hd's?
[02:43] <holycow> if yes, you should be able to install it there just as if it was any other usb hd
[02:43] <nimra> i'm not too sure, its a pretty new computer, made last year, P4 HT and everything
[02:43] <rowanjl> Will Gnome 2.12 be ready for the next ubuntu?
[02:43] <wellso> hi ppl
[02:44] <cafuego> rowanjl: Yes.
[02:44] <holycow> rowanjl, gnome always comes out a month beforeubuntu
[02:44] <cafuego> rowanjl: Ubuntu always releases a month or so AFTER Gnome.
[02:44] <rowanjl> Cool! :)
[02:44] <LinuxJones> rowanjl, yeah
[02:44] <wellso> how do i change my default media player in gnome
[02:44] <holycow> as cafuego has pointed out, by design :)
[02:44] <wellso> ?
[02:44] <cafuego> omg! it compiles! ship it!
[02:44] <nimra> I tried before but it stuff up when it tried to install the booter
[02:45] <nimra> and it came up with a boot error when i started up the comp
[02:45] <holycow> what error?
[02:45] <rowanjl> How long untill the next release anyhow?
[02:45] <nimra> error 2 or something
[02:45] <holycow> g2.12 has a neat system tools starutp/stop thingy
[02:45] <holycow> neato
[02:46] <cafuego> rowanjl: It will be Ubuntu 5.10
[02:46] <cafuego> rowanjl: (Year 5, Month 10)
[02:46] <LinuxJones> holycow, a long overdue feature
[02:46] <wellso> anyone here on kubuntu?
[02:46] <holycow> nimra, i'm not sure to be honest, i've never installed any os from scratch on a usb based hd, perhaps i should give it a try this weekend to see
[02:46] <cafuego> wellso: Everyone on #kubuntu is.
[02:47] <rowanjl> cafuego, I see!
[02:47] <wellso> :)
[02:47] <cafuego> rowanjl: Hoary (5.04) was released in april.
[02:47] <rowanjl> Yep
[02:47] <rowanjl> I placed my order for cds in May, still waiting :(
[02:47] <kemik> !wmv
[02:47] <ubotu> Wish i knew, kemik
[02:47] <kemik> blah
[02:47] <kemik> wmv support in Totem?
[02:48] <cafuego> !RestrictedFormats
[02:48] <ubotu> I heard restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[02:48] <Raskall> howdy
[02:48] <holycow> !w32codecs
[02:48] <ubotu> methinks w32codecs is a set of codecs needed to play many common audio and video formats, such as WMV. You can install w32codecs from the hoary-extras repositories (see: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org).
[02:48] <nimra> whats the difference between GRUB and LILO?
[02:48] <DJ_Necrogami> "vdr: please turn off UTF-8 before starting VDR" how would i turn of UTF-8
[02:48] <wellso> GRUB is better :)
[02:48] <cafuego> nimra: Design, age, flexibility.
[02:49] <wellso> LILO had a tendancy to mess up my MBR
[02:49] <Raskall> are there any gui-tools in ubuntu that lets the user change the boot order in grub? my father wants windows as the default in grub and I am not sure he is capable of editing menu.lst.
[02:49] <cafuego> wellso: That's where it lives. Of course it overwrite it.
[02:50] <wellso> i know it overwrites it, it had a tendancy to make it unrecoverable
[02:50] <nimra> is there anyway to install Kubuntu or Ubuntu on a NTFS hard disk without completly reformatting it?
[02:50] <holycow> Raskall, just change the oreder of windows and ubuntu in the menu.lst file :)
[02:50] <cafuego> nimra: No.
[02:50] <holycow> Raskall, make sure you just keep a backup copy and a knoppix live cd for rescue purposes
[02:51] <cafuego> nimra: Well, you can resize the ntfs partition first. But _make_ _a_ _backup_ first
[02:51] <LinuxJones> nimra, don't install Linux on an ntfs partition
[02:51] <paulproteus> http://grime.sourceforge.net/ - GUI grub editor
[02:51] <wellso> yeah, NTFS is a bit sloppy on Linux
[02:51] <nimra> how do I resize a NTFS?
[02:51] <paulproteus> nimra: For what it's worth, all my experiences resizing NTFS have gone fine.
[02:51] <Raskall> holycow: _I_ know how to do it, hell, I'm a linux sysadmin. But I need to help my father to do it over the phone. It would be very convenient with a gui-app.
[02:51] <paulproteus> Raskall: See link
[02:51] <thoreauputic> Raskall: can you walk him through it? I don't think there's a GUI for it, but it would be a good idea methinks
[02:51] <holycow> Raskall, ooos! sorry bro :) didn't read that into the q.  i'm sorry i dont know
[02:52] <paulproteus> Raskall: According to grime.sf.net, gnome-system-tools has a configurator for grub.
[02:52] <thoreauputic> paulproteus: aha! thanks
[02:52] <paulproteus> http://www.gnome.org/projects/gst/screenshots/boot.jpg
[02:52] <paulproteus> http://grubconf.sourceforge.net/ , too
[02:52] <paulproteus> These links were all on grime.sf.net
[02:52] <holycow> oh, no kidding
[02:52] <holycow> nice, thx for linkage
[02:52] <cafuego> Gnomne 2.12 will include it.
[02:52] <nimra> any help on how to resize a NTFS?
[02:53] <Raskall> paulproteus, holycow, paulproteus: getting him to install apps not in apt is way harder than just guiding him through editing menu.lst
[02:53] <kemik> nimra:  partition magic
[02:53] <LinuxJones> nimra, the Hoary installer can resize but you should do a defrag/disk scan first
[02:53] <holycow> Raskall, how about sudo gedit?
[02:53] <cafuego> Raskall: Can you make him enable ssh and just fix the problem yourself?
[02:53] <Raskall> holycow: that will be the way. :)
[02:54] <nimra> thank you :)
[02:54] <holycow> Raskall, or getting him to startup the remote admin tool? ssh in?
[02:54] <Raskall> cafuego: :) he is completely incompetent in dsl-router setup.
[02:54] <holycow> *high five*
[02:54] <holycow> haha
[02:54] <cafuego> Raskall: Why doesn't he haved a Mac?
[02:54] <Raskall> hmm.. maybe I actually set that up a loooong time ago.
[02:54] <holycow> cafuego, thats going to be in 2.12? nice
[02:54] <PrimoTurbo> what's the command to rename a folder?
[02:54] <cafuego> holycow: Yep.. saw it in breezy.
[02:55] <cafuego> PrimoTurbo: mv name newname
[02:55] <Raskall> well.. I'd better call him... :)
[02:55] <PrimoTurbo> thnx
[02:55] <thoreauputic> Raskall: good luck :)
[02:55] <paulproteus> Raskall: I suggest creating your own package repository for him.
[02:55] <holycow> i wonder how gstreamer will perform in 2.12, i'm not complaining about current installation but it doesn't have same performance quality as xine
[02:56] <PrimoTurbo> what's the command to move a directory from one play to another?
[02:56] <PrimoTurbo> thnx
[02:56] <paulproteus> holycow: I *am* going to complain about gstreamer.  It sucks totally for playing anything.
[02:56] <PrimoTurbo> place*
[02:56] <cafuego> PrimoTurbo: again, 'mv'.
[02:56] <paulproteus> PrimoTurbo: mv
[02:56] <PrimoTurbo> k
[02:56] <holycow> paulproteus, ehe :)
[02:56] <holycow> <-- diplomatic
[02:56] <PrimoTurbo> so mv /etc/sfdas /root/sfdas
[02:57] <PrimoTurbo> would that work?
[02:57] <paulproteus> holycow: Sometimes I am.  I hadn't had breakfast and I'd been IRCing for the past two hours, so I'm a bit crankier than usual. :)
[02:57] <paulproteus> PrimoTurbo: You might have to sudo it.
[02:57] <cafuego> as longas they're on the same disk, yes.
[02:57] <PrimoTurbo> yeah I know
[02:57] <paulproteus> cafuego: ?  They needn't be on the same disk...
[02:57] <paulproteus> cafuego: It'd just be slower if they're not.
[02:57] <paulproteus> PrimoTurbo: Generally speaking, try stuff yourself. :)
[02:57] <cafuego> paulproteus: they fixed that? I'm sure 'mv' didn't used to work across filesystems
[02:57] <cafuego> Or maybe I'm stuck in 1995
[02:57] <holycow> okay, imho g2.12 is awesome
[02:58] <paulproteus> cafuego: The rename() system call doesn't work across filesystems.
[02:58] <flipy> do I have to tweak something to make my apache2 accessible from outside my lan network?
[02:58] <paulproteus> cafuego: But mv has been more than a wrapper around rename() for ages....
[02:58] <cafuego> paulproteus: I'm _OLD_
[02:58] <paulproteus> cafuego: Okay. :)
[02:58] <poningru> flipy: allow outsiders into your lan network?
[02:58] <holycow> LinuxJones, once again, thx!
[02:58] <poningru> and put the apache file as read for outsiders
[02:58] <flipy> poningru: yes, to access my webserver
[02:58] <poningru> then no clue
[02:58] <cafuego> paulproteus: Then again, I haven't actually moved dist across filesystems for _years_. ln is my friend.
[02:58] <flipy> ok
[02:58] <PrimoTurbo> paulproteus: I would but I ussually mess up, i'd rather ask twice then mess up
[02:58] <flipy> thanks
[02:59] <paulproteus> PrimoTurbo: Well, okay.
[02:59] <PrimoTurbo> thanks guys for help
[02:59] <paulproteus> Eventually you'll get better at this stuff. :)
[03:01] <PrimoTurbo> Does anyone know how to install downloaded firefox themes
[03:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> anyone know why my box dosen't see my ipod?
[03:01] <PrimoTurbo> not from a site but ones that I have downloaded
[03:01] <cafuego> PrimoTurbo: Just open the themes prefs and add 'em
[03:02] <cafuego> ChurcH_of_FoamY: it has no eyes
[03:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.< lol
[03:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> not quite the answer i was looking for
[03:02] <PrimoTurbo> There is no option?
[03:02] <PrimoTurbo> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=24858
[03:02] <PrimoTurbo> that's the theme
[03:02] <kostkon> PrimoTurbo: you need an extension
[03:02] <anatole_> file searching on linux is amazing
[03:02] <anatole_> :o
[03:02] <PrimoTurbo> extension to install a theme?
[03:03] <kostkon> iPrimoTurbo: that allows you to install downloaded themes
[03:03] <cafuego> PrimoTurbo: drag and drop the theme file onto the firefox window
[03:03] <PrimoTurbo> i'll try
[03:03] <kostkon> PrimoTurbo: yes!!
[03:03] <holycow> eh what? extensions?
[03:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so anyone know why i can't use my ipod on my linuxbox?
[03:03] <cafuego> holycow: femes
[03:03] <holycow> heh
[03:03] <cafuego> ChurcH_of_FoamY: are you a paraplegic?
[03:03] <PrimoTurbo> doesn't work
[03:04] <kostkon> PrimoTurbo: search for this specific extension! trust me!!
[03:04] <PrimoTurbo> drag and drop doesn't work firefox just opens a download
[03:04] <PrimoTurbo> what is it called?
[03:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> no i'm not why?
[03:04] <anatole_> ChurcH_of_FoamY: format it to fat32 in windows
[03:04] <kostkon> PrimoTurbo: there is one, i dont remember its name
[03:04] <PrimoTurbo> theme extension?
[03:04] <anatole_> then use gtkpod under linux
[03:04] <PrimoTurbo> i'll take a look
[03:04] <cafuego> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Just guessing. you're not being very forthcoming with info..
[03:04] <kostkon> PrimoTurbo: yeah, it allows you to install themes that you have on your hard drive
[03:05] <poningru> PrimoTurbo: did you get it working?
[03:05] <PrimoTurbo> I didn't get the firefox theme working yet and I cannot find this extention yet
[03:06] <PrimoTurbo> still looking
[03:06] <PrimoTurbo> do u remember any part of it's name?
[03:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok i tryed my ipod on the wifes computer with my usb 2.0 card and it works without a hitch (stupid Windows >.<) but i put the card and my ipod on here and nothing
[03:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it dosen't even see it
[03:06] <kostkon> PrimoTurbo: search the themes site with the word "theme"??
[03:06] <rowanjl> Grr, I wish Gnome would let me use Ctrl + ArrowKey to select chunks of text...
[03:06] <cafuego> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Does the machine detect the usb2 card?
[03:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i even tryed the onboard usb ports and it's the same deal
[03:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yes the machene sees the usb 2.0 card as a belkin
[03:06] <poningru> PrimoTurbo: what version of firefox are you running
[03:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and that's what it is a belkin
[03:07] <poningru> and which version of the theme did you download?
[03:07] <holycow> PrimoTurbo, wait, you mean tools/tehemes doesn't work for ya?
[03:07] <cafuego> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Anything in 'dmesg' when you plug the iPod in?
[03:07] <cafuego> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Are you running a self-compiled kernel?
[03:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nothing even shows up
[03:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> no
[03:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i used the Ubuntu install cd
[03:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> that i orderd
[03:08] <cafuego> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Are the usb2 modules loaded?
[03:08] <PrimoTurbo> 1 sec I think I found it
[03:08] <cafuego> ChurcH_of_FoamY: check 'lsmod | grep ehci'
[03:08] <kostkon> PrimoTurbo: what?
[03:08] <PrimoTurbo> holycow: it works for online themes
[03:08] <thoreauputic> PrimoTurbo: http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/more-info/themer
[03:09] <holycow> PrimoTurbo, you cant drag the theme file into the theme popup?
[03:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok um what am i looking for in there
[03:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ehci_hcd               32708  0
[03:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> usbcore               119000  4 ehci_hcd,ohci_hcd,uhci_hcd
[03:09] <PrimoTurbo> no, it doesn't work I tried already
[03:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is what shows up
[03:09] <kostkon> PrimoTurbo: why you didnt go to the firefox themes site and went to mozdev?
[03:09] <PrimoTurbo> the drag theme
[03:09] <PrimoTurbo> I did
[03:09] <poningru> PrimoTurbo: did you try the open file thing?
[03:09] <cafuego> ChurcH_of_FoamY: run 'tail -f /var/log/kern.log' then unplug and replug the iPod
[03:09] <PrimoTurbo> works now thanks for help
[03:09] <thoreauputic> PrimoTurbo: did you see the URL I posted?
[03:09] <PrimoTurbo> yeah I got the extention
[03:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kk
[03:10] <moparfan90> can someone hat uses fluxbox please PM me.
[03:10] <PrimoTurbo> and installed from harddrive
[03:10] <thoreauputic> moparfan90: what's the problem?
[03:10] <kostkon> PrimoTurbo: ok, but maybe the firefox extensions site at mozilla.org will have a newer version
[03:11] <kostkon> PrimoTurbo: of the Themer extension
[03:11] <holycow> weird
[03:11] <PrimoTurbo> alright I'll check it out
[03:11] <moparfan90> thoreauputic, i need help opening programs and getting a theme ownloaded and opened
[03:11] <Trynemjoel> Does annyone have a link for Terminal-commands ? the "help" menu is a bit...useless..
[03:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok i'm waiting for the ipods battery to charge back up
[03:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so that i can try this
[03:12] <thoreauputic> moparfan90: there are excellent docs at http://fluxbox.org
[03:12] <Seveas> Trynemjoel, terminal commands..?
[03:12] <cafuego> ChurcH_of_FoamY: it should charge through the usb link
[03:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> no for some reason it dosen't
[03:14] <thoreauputic> moparfan90: at http://fluxbox.org/docbook.php you can download or view them in several formats and languages: very useful and readable
[03:14] <Trynemjoel> during installation i wasn't promped for setting a root pass. is there a default one or isnt there anny set if so?
[03:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i found the ipod in a snow bank last winter and i had to buy a secondhand non apple connector for it
[03:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> for some reason it will not charge off of the usb port and i don't know why
[03:15] <cafuego> Why does this retarded software assume Melbourne is Melbourne, FL?
[03:15] <cafuego> bloody yanks
[03:15] <thoreauputic> Trynemjoel: look at ubotu's URL below
[03:15] <thoreauputic> !root
[03:15] <ubotu> [root]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[03:15] <moparfan90> whats nother lighwaeight windows manager that is good.
[03:15] <Trynemjoel> thanks thoreauputic
[03:16] <thoreauputic> Trynemjoel: you're welcome :)
[03:16] <Raskall> I obviously under-estimated my father.. he is very competent in following instructions
[03:16] <holycow> Raskall, hehe :)
[03:17] <thoreauputic> moparfan90:  http://xwinman.org
[03:17] <holycow> did you actually have him use gedit?
[03:17] <holycow> just curious
[03:24] <Softarn> okej so ive made a ext3 partition to install ubuntu on, but my brother talked about some other parition that i need
[03:24] <Softarn> do i need another one?
[03:25] <thoreauputic> Softarn: swap perhaps, or a separate /home partition or both (you need at least swap)
[03:25] <thoreauputic> but the installer does the swap for you if you let it auto partition
[03:26] <Softarn> okey but ill make one on my own... how big should it be?
[03:26] <Softarn> like ram?
[03:26] <LinuxJones> Softarn, how much ram do you have ?
[03:26] <Softarn> 512
[03:26] <thoreauputic> Softarn: how much RAM do you have?
[03:26] <thoreauputic> LinuxJones: heh
[03:26] <Softarn> :)
[03:27] <thoreauputic> Softarn: 512 swap dhould be enough unless you do intensive video editing or something
[03:27] <LinuxJones> Softarn, make it like 500 megs or so more than that is a waste
[03:27] <Raskall> hmm.. why does laptop_mode complain about missing /dev/hda when I shut down my computer? I have no /dev/hda on this computer.
[03:28] <Chaotic_Shield> hehehe
[03:28] <Softarn> ok thx... guess that one should be in ext3 to
[03:28] <Softarn> ?
[03:28] <kemik> LinuxJones:  you really should quit :P
[03:28] <thoreauputic> Softarn: no
[03:28] <kemik> Softarn:  no, "swap"
[03:28] <thoreauputic> Softarn: linux swap (type 82)
[03:29] <kemik> Softarn:  why not use guided partitioning, it's much better if you're new to the install procedure
[03:29] <Softarn> oh :P
[03:29] <Raskall> Chaotic_Shield: wireless is ok for surfing and irc, but try to copy files over wifi.. it's like getting your pubic hairs slowly pulled out one by one.
[03:29] <Chaotic_Shield> kemik, it's better if you're new to installing operating systems
[03:29] <Chaotic_Shield> Raskall, O_O. 802.11g baby. 33mbps.
[03:30] <kemik> Chaotic_Shield:  to do it manually or guided??
[03:30] <Raskall> Chaotic_Shield: :) you don't copy very large files on your lan, do you? ;)
[03:30] <Chaotic_Shield> kemik, guided.
[03:30] <Chaotic_Shield> Raskall, I am my LAN :)
[03:30] <Chaotic_Shield> now.
[03:31] <Chaotic_Shield> Anyone know where libcurl gets installed to if you apt-get it?
[03:31] <linoleum> hello, I got a question m: since I have installed the Nvidia drivers , my mouse cursos get some strange : it blink very often when the system load something, like firefox a web page
[03:31] <Chaotic_Shield> I'm compiling Unreal 3.2.3 and I want to enable remote includes, but to do that I need to find libcurl. Anyone know where it is?
[03:32] <thoreauputic> Chaotic_Shield: "locate libcurl" suggests it is in /usr/lib/
[03:32] <Raskall> Chaotic_Shield: in that case I agree. I have a 20 meter cat5-cable next to my switch for when I need fast net to my server.
[03:32] <Chaotic_Shield> ThomasWaldmann, I forgot about that command :) Thanks.
[03:33] <Chaotic_Shield> meh. I never need to transfer anything large.
[03:33] <thoreauputic> Chaotic_Shield: I'm assuming that was a tab complete error ;)
[03:33] <Chaotic_Shield> yes it was.
[03:33] <Chaotic_Shield> :-P
[03:33] <thoreauputic> :)
[03:34] <Chaotic_Shield> still.
[03:34] <Chaotic_Shield> Can't freakin beat tab.
[03:34] <Chaotic_Shield> lazy man's way of highlighting.
[03:35] <Chaotic_Shield> yay!
[03:35] <Chaotic_Shield> Unreal compiled.
[03:35] <tucoz> Hi, I am trying to get wireless to work. But... I cannot find out if my wireless is supported by ubuntu. I am on a restricted connection. Is intel pro/wireless 2200BG supported?
[03:36] <PrimoTurbo> How do I find my kernel version? I need it to install drivers.
[03:36] <Chris_Tucker> i installed apache with apt-get, followed by php4cgi. how do i load the module in my httpd.conf for php and cgi so that the server executes these files rather than allowing the client browser to download the .php or .cgi?
[03:36] <thoreauputic> PrimoTurbo: uname -r
[03:36] <tucoz> If it isn't. I need to download it via http and dpkg -i it.
[03:36] <PrimoTurbo> ty
[03:36] <matthew_> how do i customise my ubuntu desktop? anyone?
[03:36] <tucoz> the driver that is
[03:36] <Chaotic_Shield> Chris_Tucker, have you checked out Apache's documentation?
[03:37] <Chris_Tucker> Chaotic_Shield, no.
[03:37] <Chaotic_Shield> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/
[03:37] <Chaotic_Shield> check it out.
[03:37] <Chaotic_Shield> tells you everything you need to know
[03:37] <Chaotic_Shield> and also Google for some tutorials on how to configure Apache to use your PHP and CGI libs.
[03:37] <thoreauputic> matthew_: a start is to install gnome-themes-extras from synaptic
[03:38] <thoreauputic> !info gnome-themes-extras
[03:38] <ubotu> gnome-themes-extras: (various themes for the GNOME 2 desktop), section universe/gnome, is optional. Version: 0.8.1-0ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 3926 kB, Installed size: 17556 kB
[03:38] <matthew_> ok search for those and install them?
[03:38] <Chris_Tucker> ive done it in windwos before but never linux :/ always used a prebundled compileable package in linux till i went debain based
[03:38] <thoreauputic> matthew_: you'll need the universe repository
[03:38] <levander> There is a python interface to curses packaged in ubuntu?
[03:38] <thoreauputic> matthew_: no, just use the synaptic package manager
[03:38] <matthew_> ok thanks
[03:38] <majic> anyone know if there is a lighthttpd package for Ubuntu? I can't seem to find one.
[03:38] <thoreauputic> !synaptic
[03:38] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[03:38] <Chaotic_Shield> levander, don't think so. Use Synaptic to find and install it.
[03:39] <levander> Chaotic_Shield: if there's no curses package for ubuntu, how am I going to find it with synaptic?
[03:39] <matthew_> downloading it now
[03:40] <Chaotic_Shield> you said packaged in ubuntu, I assumed you meant came preinstalled. My mistake.
[03:40] <Mondoshawan> has somebody a sample ftpd.conf  file for "ftpd" server?
[03:40] <Mondoshawan> i need to activate PASV mode on my ftpd
[03:40] <matthew_> gnome-themes-extras has been downloaded, how do i install it? or has it been done automatically?
[03:41] <thoreauputic> matthew_: automagically :)
[03:41] <matthew_> oh :D
[03:41] <thoreauputic> matthew_: just open up the themes dialogue
[03:41] <Chaotic_Shield> Can anyone help me with this ----> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/843 ? I'm trying to compile Unreal 3.2.3.
[03:41] <matthew_> yes, i've got a few more
[03:41] <matthew_> thanks for the help
[03:41] <sorush20> guys when I try to write to a DVD... or get information form it by clicking on the properties I get the error malformed Url
[03:41] <levander> ah! there's a curses interface for perl and ruby, but don't see one for python.  Thought ubuntu was supposed to be 'python centric'?
[03:41] <Seveas> everything you install with apt-get/aptitude/synaptic is installed. That's why it's called install :)
[03:41] <sorush20> can anyone help please..
[03:42] <thoreauputic> matthew_: gnome-look.org is a good place to browse :)
[03:42] <Seveas> levander, python has curses in the standard lib
[03:42] <aedwards_> Does Hoardy allow you to use grub at install?
[03:42] <Chaotic_Shield> yes aeddan
[03:42] <Chaotic_Shield> doh.
[03:42] <levander> Seveas: great! thanks
[03:42] <Chaotic_Shield> aedwards_*
[03:43] <levander> Chaotic_Shield: i don't think you're going to get around that error without the curl.h file.  Is there some configure script or something that's supposed to generate curl.h that you didn't run?
[03:43] <Chaotic_Shield> Lemme check.
[03:44] <matthew_> thanks
[03:44] <Chaotic_Shield> there appears to be.....but it needs ares....
[03:44] <Seveas> Chaotic_Shield, apt-get install libcurl-dev
[03:45] <Chaotic_Shield> Good ol' Synaptic for me Seveas
[03:45] <Seveas> Chaotic_Shield, apt-get install libcurl3-dev
[03:45] <Seveas> fine :)
[03:45] <Seveas> but you need that package :)
[03:45] <Chaotic_Shield> I need the libcurl dev package?
[03:45] <Chaotic_Shield> Odd....
[03:45] <Seveas> well, the program asks for it :)
[03:45] <Chaotic_Shield> not exactly.
[03:46] <asfra> I have an external harddrive with alot of mp3's and videos. The filesystem is FAT32 and I all the files are downloaded using Win xp. Is this why I can't seem to play them wiht ubuntu?
[03:46] <levander> Chaotic_Shield: if it's trying to include files from it, it's asking for it
[03:46] <aford> new to ubunto - I installed the php4 and mysql options, but it still does not seem to have php working with mysql yet.  Is there any other modules that I need to install?
[03:46] <Seveas> it needs curl.h to define LIBCURL_VERSION, that should be interpreted as: install libcurl3-dev or I won't work
[03:46] <thoreauputic> Chaotic_Shield: 99% of the time when compiling, missing needs will be -dev packages
[03:46] <Seveas> asfra, no
[03:46] <Seveas> asfra: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[03:46] <Chaotic_Shield> =\
[03:46] <levander> asfra: no, FAT32 is supported by linux
[03:46] <levander> asfra: can you mount the drive?
[03:47] <asfra> yeah, I can mount the drive, it's no problems like that
[03:47] <Seveas> aford, for mysql to work on the local machine you need to have libapache2-mod-php4, mysql-server and php4-mysql
[03:47] <asfra> but xmms and similar progs just chrash when I try to play the files
[03:47] <levander> aford: php4-mysql
[03:47] <Seveas> asfra: To make xmms or beep-media-player actually play things, change the audio output plugin to eSound
[03:47] <Chaotic_Shield> =\
[03:47] <Chaotic_Shield> ok
[03:47] <Chaotic_Shield> so I got past that error.
[03:47] <lok> does the X probleme has been solve actually on breezy ?
[03:47] <Chaotic_Shield> Now I have another libcurl error.
[03:48] <asfra> Seveas: ok, great! I'll try that
[03:48] <Seveas> Chaotic_Shield, paste it at the pastebin :)
[03:48] <levander> Chaotic_Shield: you know what version of libcurl this application wants?
[03:48] <aford> Severas - php4-mysql does not come up in my search though synaptic
[03:49] <Chaotic_Shield> None at all.
[03:49] <levander> aford: search again, it's in there
[03:49] <Seveas> aford, then enable universe
[03:49] <Chaotic_Shield> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/844
[03:50] <thoreauputic> aford: apt-cache policy says it's in universe
[03:50] <Seveas> Chaotic_Shield, hmm, didn't libcurl3-dev install libcurl3 with it?
[03:50] <Chaotic_Shield> I have libcurl3....
[03:50] <Chaotic_Shield> It's installed now.
[03:50] <Chaotic_Shield> That's the error I get when I try with the dev packages installed.
[03:50] <aford> Seveas, how do I enable universe?
[03:50] <Seveas> aford: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[03:50] <Seveas> aford: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[03:51] <Seveas> Chaotic_Shield, remove the libcurl packages again and install libcurl2-dev and libcurl2
[03:51] <Seveas> maybe that works better
[03:51] <Chaotic_Shield> dunno, let's try.
[03:51] <Chris_Tucker> hahha
[03:52] <Chris_Tucker> Chaotic_Shield, turns out i only downloaded the cgi addin for php
[03:52] <Chris_Tucker> i never got the php4 base package
[03:52] <Chaotic_Shield> lol
[03:52] <Chris_Tucker> im going to get something to eat while this downloads, dialup.
[03:54] <floj> hi everybuddy
[03:56] <faen> sudo eject
[03:57] <Chaotic_Shield> fscking hell.
[03:57] <Chaotic_Shield> I can't uninstall libcurl3.
[03:57] <floj> I'm unable to compile a new kernel using the actual .tar.gz sources as released. Ubuntu5.04 says it can't find GTK-2-0 among others. kubuntu says it can't find QT (unavailable in the kubuntu distro). I'll appreciate some help
[03:57] <Chris_Tucker> even with dpkg -r ?
[03:58] <Chris_Tucker> ( @Chaotic_Shield )
[03:58] <Chaotic_Shield> ah.
[03:58] <faen> I'm having tons of trouble with my cdrom drive, can't burn can't eject and I don't see what could be blocking it
[03:58] <elwood> faen,  permission problem?
[03:59] <faen> hmm, i'll check
[03:59] <globule> Hi all !
[03:59] <Chris_Tucker> floj, if your really serious about manually compiling the kernal, then sudo apt-get <what the tar.gz asks for>
[04:00] <Chaotic_Shield> Chris_Tucker, do I just do dpkg -r libcurl3?
[04:00] <faen> hmm, weird.. maybe i'm wrong but cdrom is in /dev/cdrom rather than /mnt/cdrom in ubuntu?
[04:00] <floj> Hi Chris, the whole story is that I have inet connectivity through HomePNa (not ethernet) and the pcnet32.c module in Hoary does not allow me to set separately my HomePNa interfaces. Therefore I'm without connectivity.
[04:00] <Chris_Tucker> Chaotic_Shield yes and see what it says
[04:01] <Chaotic_Shield> dependency problems.
[04:01] <elwood> faen, /dev/cdrom is the device /mnt is the mount point
[04:01] <TriniTriggs24> anybody here ever lost data while using amaroK?
[04:01] <Chris_Tucker> floj, do you have a livecd copy of ubuntu and a thumbdrive?
[04:01] <elwood> faen, /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[04:02] <faen>  mount /mnt/cdrom
[04:02] <faen> mount: can't find /mnt/cdrom in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[04:02] <Chaotic_Shield> no niether.
[04:02] <thoreauputic> faen: try /media/cdrom
[04:02] <Chaotic_Shield> why?
[04:02] <queuetue> I'm using two "applicance firewalls" (FVS318s to be exact) with a VPN between them, and would like to repeat broadcast packets across the link.  How would I do this?
[04:02] <asfra> Seveas: You are my hero! now it works :-)
[04:02] <faen>  mount /media/cdrom
[04:02] <faen> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc,
[04:02] <faen>        missing codepage or other error
[04:03] <faen> weird
[04:03] <TriniTriggs2994> I had  a playlist going, but I changed some of the file's names, and when amaroK got to them, it said "file no longer exists" or something like that.  And then when I went back to the folder, it was empty!!!
[04:03] <Chris_Tucker> floj, if so, go to somewhere with highspeed that will let you use the livecd. then sudo apt-get install -d <the stuff you need>      then copy the .deb  files from /var/cache/apt/archives/  to your thumbdrive
[04:03] <faen> can't umount it either
[04:03] <thoreauputic> faen: erm - what are you trying to mount? What is on the CD ?
[04:03] <faen> I was trying to burn an ISO
[04:03] <faen> k3b, gnomebaker, eroaster all hang
[04:03] <elwood> faen, just with that  cd?
[04:03] <faen> and don't burn
[04:03] <thoreauputic> faen: you don't need to mount to burn an ISO
[04:04] <faen> I know i don't need mount
[04:04] <Chris_Tucker> floj, then use dpkg to install them on your rig you need them on. if you dont do them in the right order, dpkg will tell you which to do before the one your doing
[04:04] <faen> but now i can't eject the cd after one of those progs did something
[04:04] <thoreauputic> faen: try sudo eject /dev/cdrom
[04:04] <thoreauputic> or /dev/hdc or whatever
[04:04] <aford> Seveas, thanks for the help
[04:05] <faen> eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument
[04:05] <elwood> faen,  or check in your processes ..one of them maybe is blocking
[04:05] <faen> I looked, but I can't see what would be blocking it
[04:05] <Chris_Tucker> faen, try sudo eject cdrom
[04:05] <Chris_Tucker> faen, try sudo eject cdrom0
[04:05] <JayParadise> yea u got to type eject
[04:05] <Chris_Tucker> faen, try sudo eject cdrom1
[04:05] <Chris_Tucker> faen, one of those should work
[04:05] <aford> levander, thoreauputic - thanks for the help
[04:05] <JayParadise> if not the primary u havve to type the dev
[04:05] <faen> nope none work..
[04:05] <faen> ;/
[04:05] <Chris_Tucker> confusing
[04:05] <thoreauputic> aford: you're welcome :)
[04:05] <JayParadise> mines hdd if eject doesnt work
[04:05] <Chris_Tucker> i dont mean /dev/cdrom thoguh
[04:05] <Chris_Tucker> i mean just plain cdrom
[04:06] <faen> i tried all of those
[04:06] <dj28> sounds like you're screwed
[04:06] <Chris_Tucker> yea i agree with dj28
[04:06] <dj28> might want to manual eject it
[04:06] <faen> yep
[04:06] <dj28> sounds like a faulty cdrom
[04:06] <JayParadise> reboot it and get it out while the bios loads
[04:06] <faen> manual doesn't work either
[04:06] <dj28> faen: wow
[04:06] <dj28> how old is that drive
[04:07] <faen> I know the drive is fine, I just burned some iso's the other day before I switched to ubuntu
[04:07] <faen> like 2 days ago
[04:07] <dj28> interesting
[04:07] <faen> I've had some weird things happen with ubuntu
[04:08] <dj28> have you googled your cdrom model
[04:08] <dj28> to see if this is a problem for others
[04:08] <matthew_> can anyone help a complete beginner to install an icon pack? i downloaded from Gnome-look.org
[04:08] <matthew_> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=14260
[04:08] <asfra> Can anybody tell me the trick to get mplayer working? when I start it I get: ' New_Face failed. Maybe the font path is wrong. Please supply the text font file (~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf).'  And when I try to play something with it it just stops.
[04:08] <leroj> matthew_, open theme manager
[04:08] <faen> a lot of things work fine but sound is kinda screwy, i've tried to tweak that xorg seems laggy, cdrom hasn't really woked at all
[04:08] <thoreauputic> matthew_: just drag it onto the theme dialogue
[04:08] <leroj> then drag and drop the icon package you downloaded onto the main window
[04:08] <faen> just have had soem strange bugs hit me
[04:09] <JayParadise> lag
[04:09] <elwood> well i have a script that in my old distro i put in /etc/profile.d/ ...in ubuntu where i have to put it?
[04:09] <JayParadise> that reminds me i got to run sysvconfig
[04:09] <faen> I like ubuntu in some respects but I have never had an install go this bad since slack 5
[04:09] <faen> lol
[04:09] <thoreauputic> asfra: have you installed mplayer-fonts ?
[04:09] <Bozack> Can anyone tell me what the default password for root on Ubuntu is?
[04:10] <faen> Bozack: there is no root pass
[04:10] <JayParadise> that was smy frist ubuntu question
[04:10] <faen> you use sudo
[04:10] <thoreauputic> !root
[04:10] <Chris_Tucker> Bozack there is none
[04:10] <ubotu> methinks root is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:10] <{Phoinix}> Bozack, sudo passwd root
[04:10] <asfra> I'll check. But would a font problem make the player stop responding?
[04:10] <matthew_> thanks alot got the icons installed
[04:11] <elwood> !root
[04:11] <ubotu> root is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:11] <thoreauputic> asfra: dunno - but the error message mentions fonts, no!
[04:11] <thoreauputic> oops s/!/?
[04:11] <elwood> !tell me root
[04:11] <Bozack> Phoinix, thanx... that helped
[04:11] <paulproteus> !tellme root
[04:11] <paulproteus> !tell me root
[04:12] <{Phoinix}> Hello, I 'm trying to make my mic work in ubuntu.. but there seems to be a problem. I have a sound blaster live and in aslamixer there are a lot of controls.. that are confusing. What must i do to make my mic work? I am hearing my voice from the speakers
[04:12] <floj> Chris, sorry for the delay, not lag but diaper change. I've got connectivity on my rig as you can se (an old mdk on other partition). I'll try to do the hack you propose, but I find annoying that ubuntu does not let you do a clean kernel compile from kernel.org sources.
[04:12] <Arathald> When I start up ubuntu, after it's done loading, everything goes blank- I think it's a problem with the refresh rates (my monitor is old and very picky), id there a way to change those?
[04:13] <floj> the diaper wasn't mine, I mean....
[04:13] <Chris_Tucker> floj i dont recommend changeing the kernal manually anyway, i would find the debain sources for it.
[04:13] <Chris_Tucker> hahahh
[04:13] <EdLin> Arathald, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:14] <Arathald> so i boot into recovery and type that in?
[04:14] <asfra> thoreauputic: I apt it just says that I've installed mplayer-586 and mplayer-doc
[04:15] <EdLin> Arathald, boot into recovery, chroot in your hard drive mount point, then do that.
[04:15] <{Phoinix}> Anyone can help me with my microphone problem?
[04:15] <thoreauputic> asfra: is it saying you already have the newest mplayer-fonts ?
[04:15] <EdLin> Arathald, er, that's instructions for recovery CD.
[04:16] <asfra> thoreauputic: How do I check that?
[04:16] <thoreauputic> asfra: did you actually try to install mplayer-fonts ? (note the hyphen)
[04:16] <Arathald> EdLin: so I do sumin else completely, or I just boot into the recovery (on the hdd) and type that first thing ir what?
[04:17] <asfra> thoreauputic: I'll try now..
[04:17] <thoreauputic> asfra:  sudo apt-get install mplayer-fonts
[04:18] <holycow> heh
[04:18] <holycow> gnome 2.12 preview makes slash
[04:18] <EdLin> Arathald, well, if you boot up single user, which is what happens with grub recovery, you may have to remount rw (I haven't tried that under Ubuntu yet.)
[04:18] <bobbyd> hi
[04:19] <floj> Chris, one last q, those .deb packs come from somewhere. Where exactly? I mean I can wget them on my mdk and transfer them to the Hoary partition.
[04:19] <thoreauputic> binbrain: if you need to ponder, don't ;)
[04:19] <EdLin> binbrain, /topic
[04:19] <Chris_Tucker> has anyone here worked with the apt-gtt php4 and the apt-got apache?
[04:19] <Arathald> EdLin: rw?
[04:19] <Chris_Tucker> floj, apt-get.
[04:19] <EdLin> Arathald, read-write
[04:19] <bobbyd> do I need to do something special to allow remote hosts to connect to port 25 to send email? I configured postfix and it's listening on port 25, but when I connect with telnet it says connection refused
[04:20] <Chris_Tucker> bobbyd are these on the lan or the internet?
[04:20] <floj> Chris, but apt-get will download them from some url, right?
[04:20] <Arathald> EdLin: ah, ok. should I jsut try typing it in, see what happens, then worry about remounting if it doesn't work?
[04:20] <Chris_Tucker> floj yes..
[04:20] <bobbyd> Chris_Tucker, internet. do i need to edit hosts.allow?
[04:20] <EdLin> Arathald, single user mode might mount things read-only by default. This may vary by distro, I've never had the occasion to use single user mode in Ubuntu
[04:20] <Chris_Tucker> bobbyd not that i know of, in your router do you have port 25 forwarded?
[04:20] <EdLin> Arathald, might as well, it only will make a simple error message if you need to remount
[04:21] <Arathald> EdLin: kk ty- off to try
[04:21] <asfra> thoreauputic: you don't happen to now what source I will have to put in sources.list to make that command work?
[04:21] <bobbyd> Chris_Tucker, yes, it used to work before I reinstalled. I'm just changing from gentoo to ubuntu.
[04:21] <thoreauputic> asfra: multiverse
[04:21] <Chris_Tucker> sorry then bobbyd, cant help ya, i havent set up my mail server yet, im workin on my http
[04:22] <thoreauputic> asfra: where did you get your mplayer?? it's in multiverse too
[04:22] <bobbyd> Chris_Tucker, well, I've done that if you need any help :)
[04:22] <Chris_Tucker> bobbyd, you get php4 runnin?
[04:22] <asfra> thoreauputic: thougt I got it from marillat
[04:22] <bobbyd> Chris_Tucker, ahh no, didn't do that
[04:22] <thoreauputic> asfra: oh dear
[04:22] <asfra> thoreauputic: is that some debian thing?
[04:23] <asfra> looks like it :(
[04:23] <thoreauputic> asfra: if so, this is the source of your woes
[04:23] <Chris_Tucker> asfra, should have enabled multiverse and got it there.
[04:23] <Chris_Tucker> works for me from there
[04:23] <thoreauputic> marillat is for debian, which is out off sync with current hoary
[04:23] <EdLin> asfra, multiverse + hoary-extras will provide you with most of what marillat has.
[04:23] <thoreauputic> *of
[04:24] <reka> a little off-topic, but OOI does debian have the same one-CD install ubuntu does?
[04:24] <Chris_Tucker> EdLin, out of curiousity, does it have a version of libdvdcss2?
[04:24] <asfra> thoreauputic: Ok, debian is bad for ubuntu. Got it! Could anyone paste the mulitverse addresses to put in the sources.list?
[04:24] <EdLin> reka, it can
[04:24] <thoreauputic> asfra: uninstall mplayer, delete marillat and enable multiverse, apt-get update
[04:25] <Chris_Tucker> the only place ive been able to find libdvdcss2 is marillar
[04:25] <Chris_Tucker> t
[04:25] <Chris_Tucker> *
[04:25] <EdLin> Chris_Tucker, yes, but you don't need to add a repository to get that. You can use /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh
[04:25] <thoreauputic> asfra: just add the word multiverse at the end of your universe lines, basically
[04:26] <thoreauputic> Chris_Tucker: libdvdcss2 is in hoary-extras from backports
[04:26] <Chris_Tucker> ah backports.. never checked there
[04:26] <asfra> thoreauputic: Ok.. but I have to copy and paste the lines and then add or...? (sorry for newbie questions :)
[04:26] <Mez> gah
[04:26] <EdLin> thoreauputic, it's also in a secret little script on every Ubuntu desktop users' HD.
[04:26] <Mez> I should never have put a highlight on abckports
[04:26] <Mez> lol
[04:26] <Mez> It gets mentioned so many times
[04:27] <thoreauputic> EdLin: OK - didn't know that one ;) thanks
[04:27] <thoreauputic> asfra: if you add the word  multiverse  to your universe lines you should be good to go
[04:28] <Chris_Tucker> hm
[04:28] <thoreauputic> asfra: else read this
[04:28] <thoreauputic> !repos
[04:28] <ubotu> repos is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[04:28] <reka> EdLin: so basically debian users get the option of having extra packages available for local install on more CDs, while ubuntu does not.
[04:28] <reka> ?
[04:28] <asfra> thoreauputic: thanks alot!
[04:28] <Chris_Tucker> it seems im going to have to uninstall the debain php and apache, and compile them with the ole' ./configure, make, && make install
[04:28] <thoreauputic> asfra: good luck - make sure you uninstall/ delete your marillat stuff
[04:29] <Chris_Tucker> the debain packages i get with apt-get dont seem to want to see each other
[04:29] <EdLin> reka, you only need that if you're installing Debian to a system without an internet connection.
[04:29] <JayParadise> what do you guys use to write code?
[04:29] <thoreauputic> Chris_Tucker: those packages are in ubuntu too, you know
[04:29] <EdLin> Chris_Tucker, it's not a good idea to mix repositories if that's what you're doing.
[04:29] <JayParadise> im getting sick of vi
[04:29] <reka> EdLin: well, i'm on dialup....so installing too many packages over the net is a burden.
[04:30] <EdLin> reka, so am I.
[04:30] <reka> JayParadise: vim :D
[04:30] <Chris_Tucker> no no i apt-got it from the repos found on ubuntuguide.org
[04:30] <ray_> hi room, anyone know about installing a second hard drive in ubuntu?
[04:30] <ray_> its a fat32 ide drive
[04:30] <JayParadise> nothin to it just mount it
[04:30] <ray_> its fitted on slave (cable select) on ide #2
[04:31] <ray_> ive tried mounting it in the bash shell
[04:31] <JayParadise> cfdisk
[04:31] <ray_> to mnt/(my dir)
[04:31] <floj> ray_ did you make a filesystem in it?
[04:31] <Seveas> ray_: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[04:31] <ray_> but it keeps saying 'no such device
[04:31] <ray_> cheers, will try that. much obliged :)
[04:32] <JayParadise> yea you should prolly issue mkext3 /dev/hdb or os
[04:32] <Chris_Tucker> apache is on universe.
[04:32] <Chris_Tucker> not sure with php, check in a sec
[04:32] <JayParadise> or something like that
[04:32] <Chris_Tucker> all in all though they arent seeing each other.
[04:32] <JayParadise> dunno the mkfs commands
[04:32] <samu> why cant we have the same kind of multi-language input in ubuntu as in windows XP?
[04:32] <floj> if its visible under that broken os whose name starts with w you should mount it as mount -t vfat /dev/hdb1 /mnt
[04:33] <elwood> someone using pam-usb?
[04:33] <co-ind> Random_Sindrom you have to edit sources to add the directory where is xmms <<<where
[04:34] <floj> ray_ remember to use both the device name and the partition number
[04:34] <floj> not /dev/hdb but /dev/hdb1
[04:34] <ray_> i think it should be hdd1 (its the slave on ide channel 2.. but it says 'no such drive'
[04:35] <flugh> try doing 'fdisk -l /dev/hdd', see if fdisk sees anything there
[04:35] <ray_> thaks, i have used the dev name and number - also, its listed in dev manager
[04:35] <ray_> k
[04:36] <flugh> or 'dmesg | grep hdd' would show if it was seen during bootup
[04:36] <ray_> 'cannot open /dev/hdd1
[04:36] <thoreauputic> ray_: sudo
[04:36] <ray_> it was fitted after the installation of ubuntu
[04:36] <floj> ray_ "fdisk /dev/hdd"
[04:36] <ray_> k
[04:37] <TriniTriggs1> hey everyone.  I've got a pretty urgent problem re: losing all my music.  Could you guys help me out?
[04:37] <floj> partitioning a disk, mounting a partition
[04:37] <TriniTriggs1> I've got a thread going in the forums
[04:37] <TriniTriggs1> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=53263
[04:38] <thoreauputic> TriniTriggs1: sounds bad - do you know where it *ought* to be? And how did this happen?
[04:38] <TriniTriggs1> I had playlist in amaroK (hooked up to mySQL). I changed some of the filenames (*.m4a --> *.mp4) via Nautilus. And when amaroK got to those songs, it just pooped out and decided to "delete" the whole folder??? NB these files were a couple levels below the music folder, but the whole music folder was still lost.
[04:38] <kemik> TriniTriggs1:  tried chkdsk ?
[04:39] <flugh> TriniTriggs1, you might try #amarok. they are a pretty active channel
[04:40] <reka> anyone know of a quick way of renaming all files in a directory?  (i need them in lower case, currently they're all in CAPS).
[04:40] <flugh> i like amarok. don't like to hear stuff like that about it though :(
[04:40] <tucoz> !info wireless-tools
[04:40] <ubotu> wireless-tools: (Tools for manipulating Linux Wireless Extensions), section net, is extra. Version: 27-1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 99 kB, Installed size: 276 kB
[04:41] <kemik> TriniTriggs1:  boot into windows and run "chkdsk"
[04:41] <tucoz> How do I find out the contents of wireless-tools?
[04:41] <ray_> thanks for your help :) ill plug away at the hard drive issue... still wont mount it and fdisk cant see it. but its there in d.m.  - ill pop back with a progres report ;)
[04:41] <flugh> reka: for i in *; do mv "$i" `echo "$i" | troff [A-Z]  [a-z] `; done <-- similar to that
[04:41] <kemik> TriniTriggs2:  "chkdsk" in windows
[04:41] <TriniTriggs2> sorry guys, my connection's really bad
[04:41] <flugh> reka: but i'd change the 'mv' to an echo for a first trial test run. make sure it's working before actually renaming
[04:41] <TriniTriggs2> kemik.  ah.  no, not yet.  NB Windows sees the same thing as Nautlius (everything except the music folder, which is still taking up space)
[04:42] <reka> flugh: cheers
[04:42] <tucoz> Or rather, how do I find out the contents of any package consisting of several tools?
[04:42] <flugh> reka: crap sorry, it's 'tr' not 'troff'
[04:43] <TriniTriggs2> I'm gonna reobot and give chkdsk a go.  If anyone has any ideas, please let me know.  (get Norton???)
[04:43] <TriniTriggs2> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=53263
[04:43] <TriniTriggs2> bye for now
[04:43] <thoreauputic> tucoz: if it's installed, run  dpkg -L <packagename>
[04:43] <flugh> TriniTriggs1, i'd download some livecd rescue image, try mounting the disk and see what's what
[04:44] <EdLin> reka, Ubuntu has a nice GNU tool named "rename", man rename, it will do most simple mass-renaming tasks.
[04:44] <tucoz> thoreauputic, thanks.
[04:44] <thoreauputic> tucoz: np :)
[04:45] <kemik> anyone know how i can use Debian's networkdrivers instead of the ubuntu ones?
[04:45] <reka> EdLin: thanks for the tip.
[04:45] <tucoz> I also found out that by clicking properties in synaptic
[04:46] <EdLin> reka, actually, looking at it, it appears to be something that comes with perl rather than a GNU originated tool. Either way most but not all Linux systems will have it.
[04:46] <reka> flugh: worked perfectly. :D
[04:46] <flugh> reka: glad to hear it
[04:46] <flugh> :)
[04:46] <aford> new to ubuntu - anyone know anything about nx-server or other remote desktop managers that work with ubuntu?
[04:47] <thoreauputic> aford: you can install freenx from backports
[04:47] <thoreauputic> aford: it's the NX thing (gpl version)
[04:48] <aford> thoreauputic, how do I use backports?
[04:48] <thoreauputic> !backports
[04:48] <ubotu> backports is probably .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[04:49] <thoreauputic> aford: I strongly suggest you comment them out after using them - there's also hoary-extras at the same URL
[04:49] <thoreauputic> oh - maybe a different URL now
[04:49] <thoreauputic> :/
[04:49] <catolh> Hey, i am having some problems with xine and tv-out. It seems it wont send video to my TV, only my computer monitor.
[04:52] <mjr> catolh, try xine -V xshm ; might be that your card doesn't send the video overlay to the TV
[04:52] <TURK> hi all
[04:52] <mjr> catolh, xshm will, though, do the scaling and stuff in software, so it might be slower
[04:52] <LinuxJones> TURK, welcome
[04:52] <TURK> hi all.. dpkg gives errors and it does'nt remove postgresql
[04:52] <charles> I'm having a bit of trouble with sound... whatever plays is garbled
[04:52] <TURK> what can i do.. i want it to remove this
[04:53] <TURK> LinuxJones, thanx brother
[04:53] <Chris_Tucker> tell me someone here has gotten apache2 off multiverse to work >.<
[04:53] <thoreauputic> TURK: which repository did you get it from?
[04:53] <TURK> help me pls
[04:53] <lee> is it possible to install ubuntu from a live cd, or is it more trouble than it's worth?  I'm currently booted from a live cd, and I haven't downloaded the install cd, my bandwidth is limited atm
[04:53] <catolh> mjr, there isnt any other way to do it?
[04:53] <Chris_Tucker> no, lee, you cant install it from a livecd.
[04:54] <mjr> catolh, dunno, that really depends on your display card and the driver
[04:54] <lee> oh well, slow download it is then =)
[04:54] <thoreauputic> Chris_Tucker: erm - apache2 is in main, not multiverse
[04:54] <Chris_Tucker> er ok wherever it is
[04:54] <python_> charles: what sound card do u have?
[04:54] <Chris_Tucker> i need help changeing the docroot. its not in the conf in this version
[04:54] <catolh> mjr, it works fine with mplayer. Other than my xv wont display anything anymore.. after i installed the fglrx drivers
[04:55] <mjr> catolh, some card only display the video overlay on "primary" display; try and see if you can make the tv primary
[04:55] <ValheruLord> how can i force dpkg to remove a package
[04:55] <catolh> mjr, the ati control panel has such a feature.. but it wont "store" it when i change it..
[04:55] <mjr> catolh, does mplayer use xv, then?
[04:55] <catolh> mjr, it can use it..
[04:55] <charles> python_, a MAudio Audophile 2496 (envy24), uses the ice1712 chipset
[04:55] <catolh> mjr, and in the ubuntuguide it says i should use it
[04:56] <jip> any idea does rainbow six: rogue spear run on linux?
[04:56] <catolh> mjr, i used it before i installed the fglrx.. but right after it wouldnt work. It seems it's a common proglem
[04:56] <Thewrdnrd> Hey, quick question. I'm blind, working on a ubuntu install, and am trying to get the GNOME accessibility stuff running. After I log into the ubuntu desktop, though, another window seems to pop up before GNOME. Any idea what this might be?
[04:56] <catolh> problem*
[04:56] <mjr> catolh, yes, but does it show on the tv when you use xv?
[04:56] <catolh> mjr, yes
[04:56] <mjr> ah well
[04:56] <Thewrdnrd> I have one window that plays the little drum sound, and I assume that's the login window, but the next one?
[04:56] <catolh> mjr, but not now.. :p
[04:56] <markitoxs> anyone can tell me where can i download gdesklets?
[04:57] <thoreauputic> Thewrdnrd: might be the splash screen that comes before the desktop ?
[04:57] <python_> charles: I'm not too sure about this card, sorry
[04:57] <Thewrdnrd> I'm able to get past that window by typing in my username and password, but I'd rather not just type htat in without knowing WTF I'm typing it into. :P
[04:57] <python_> Charles: Maybe you should see if it is supported on the ALSA website
[04:57] <Thewrdnrd> thoreauputic: Hmm, possibly. Seems to sit there for awhile, though. Does it typically require input?
[04:58] <ZincX> how can i run a mail server ?
[04:58] <thoreauputic> Thewrdnrd: you type your username and pass in the gdm login fields normally ...
[04:58] <charles> python_, it is fully suported and worked in gentoo
[04:58] <Thewrdnrd> thoreauputic: Is GDM what plays the short drumming clip?
[04:58] <thoreauputic> Thewrdnrd: is the desktop loading Ok ?
[04:58] <snivitz0> markitoxs: sudo apt-get install gdesklets ;sudo apt-get install gdesklets-data
[04:58] <thoreauputic> Thewrdnrd: yes, when gdm comes up you get the drum sound
[04:59] <Thewrdnrd> thoreauputic: Seems to be. After the second window I get the musical jingle, which I assume means that it's loading.
[04:59] <kemik> Thewrdnrd:  has it been like that always? could be that you saved some windows when you shut down the computer at some point?
[04:59] <reka> Thewrdnrd: you can set it up to skip the login screen if you so wish (it logs in a user automatically)
[04:59] <python_> charles: have u typed alsamixer into your console?
[04:59] <markitoxs> snivitz0, i don t mean that, i mean the little packages
[04:59] <EdLin> snivitz0, you can add packages to a single apt-get line you know...
[04:59] <markitoxs> snivitz0, if you install gdesklets-data it won work ;) they are aout of date
[04:59] <charles> python_, yeah, I am able to control the sound volume and I'm able to play sounds however the sound that comes out sounds like it's at the wrong frequency
[04:59] <Thewrdnrd> This is a fresh install as of this morning.
[05:00] <kemik> Thewrdnrd:  nevermind what i said.. it seems its just the login screen that you're typing your info in =) all is normal
[05:00] <Thewrdnrd> As in, this is how it behaves on first run of the ubuntu-desktop.
[05:00] <snivitz0> markitoxs: Oh, sorry about that. I installed them didnt give them a shot yet.
[05:00] <Thewrdnrd> Hmmm. Ok, I won't worry about it then.
[05:00] <ZincX> how can i run a mail server ?
[05:00] <python_> charles: sounds a strange one, try looking at the debian site for sound issues..may help
[05:00] <matthew_> Does anyone know how to install a splash screen?
[05:00] <thoreauputic> Thewrdnrd: I'm in fluxbox atm or I'd check for you - but I'm also listening to Bach so I doubt I'd hear the musical jingle anyway ;)
[05:01] <markitoxs> snivitz0, thx, you might uninstall the -data one, if you want it to work properly
[05:01] <EdLin> ZincX, read manuals
[05:01] <djansa> hello
[05:01] <matthew_> does anyone know how to install a splash screen?
[05:01] <ZincX> k
[05:02] <Thewrdnrd> Also, are the desktop sounds played via esound? Is it possible to disable that via the command line? My laptop's sound hardware behaves oddly under Linux; it seems like it's full duplex under windows but not so under Linux.
[05:02] <markitoxs> mathew the login one, or the other one?
[05:02] <markitoxs> the one that shows what's been loaded?
[05:02] <Thewrdnrd> So if the desktop sounds are active, I can't run the GNOME accessibility stuff which needs access to the sound hardware.
[05:02] <python_> charles: Have u made sure all your settings are running through ALSA
[05:02] <matthew_> the loading one, i've changed the login screen already
[05:02] <Flying_Eagle> hi
[05:02] <thoreauputic> Thewrdnrd: esound is default yes - it's a pain
[05:03] <Thewrdnrd> python_: Yes, this is just how the hardware behaves, it's an older laptop.
[05:03] <Thewrdnrd> It did this under Debian, so I'm very familiar with its oddities.
[05:03] <EdLin> oops
[05:03] <charles> python_, not sure what you mean... I can play sounds by sending instant messages or by using beep-media-player... when a song is playing in beep media player I can turn the volume up and down properly using alsa-mixer, however the sound coming out is just garbled
[05:03] <TriniTriggs5> is anyone here familiar with dosfsck?
[05:04] <thoreauputic> Thewrdnrd: there's a howto about enabling dmix on ubuntuguide.org that worked for me - "configure sound properly" or something like that
[05:04] <matthew_> my sound didnt work when i first installed but i checked the Alsamixer and my speakers were muted, i guess i was lucky my problem was not worse
[05:04] <python_> charles: Perhaps you should go back to gentoo
[05:04] <Thewrdnrd> My sound works fine, it just isn't full duplex.
[05:05] <reka> charles: garbled or noisy?
[05:05] <Thewrdnrd> Which I suppose isn't fine for some definitions of fine. ;) But for the moment I'd rather just get this stuff working, then refine it later.
[05:05] <charles> python_, yeah... i'm considering... it's just that i've been liking ubuntu besides this... I may try compiling from source
[05:05] <thoreauputic> Thewrdnrd: a wise plan I think :)
[05:05] <charles> reka, um... garbled... like I play a song through beep and it sounds like the chip-monks are singing it
[05:05] <python_> charles: Gentoo is a great distro and if it works with your hardware, then use it and stick with it i say
[05:05] <TriniTriggs5> I did a "dosfsck /dev/sda5 -l" and it returned "There are differences between boot sector and its backup.  Differences: (offset:original/backup)" and it lists 3 actions: copy original to backup, vice versa, and no action
[05:06] <TriniTriggs5> which one should I do?
[05:06] <TriniTriggs5> I'm not even sure when these "backups" were made (I didn't make them for sure)
[05:06] <python_> I find sound blaster cards work well with linux
[05:07] <python_> ive got a 7.1 surround set up on mine and it works perfectly
[05:07] <u19809> is there a dvd::rip package ?
[05:07] <u19809> or better : how can I rip a dvd ?
[05:07] <python_> u19809: Something i tried to do, and had quite a job
[05:08] <hondje> yes, but you need to add backports for transcode
[05:08] <hondje> or build it, eit
[05:08] <reka> charles: search the forums.  i recall someone having that problem in the past.
[05:08] <python_> u19809: i believe xcd roast can do it, with a dvd plugin
[05:08] <JaZYLNX> can anyone point me to a wiki to share my internet, i have a wifi getting the internet and a 100 card on it.. want to share the wifi over the ethernet
[05:08] <u19809> hondje : what is 'backports for transcode'?
[05:08] <hondje> !backports
[05:08] <ubotu> from memory, backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[05:09] <charles> reka, yeah I've been looking around
[05:09] <hondje> I'm on my pda...typing is slow ;)
[05:09] <markitoxs> anyone can tell me where can i download gdesklets (not the program)?
[05:10] <ValheruLord> markitoxs,
[05:10] <LinuxJones> JaZYLNX, you can easily share your internet connection with firestarter (a graphical fron end for iptables)
[05:10] <charles> gentoo was such a pain to setup and such a pain to keep up to date, ubuntu has been so much easier... I only wish the distro had a bit more age under it's belt
[05:10] <ValheruLord> gdesklets.gnomedesktop.prg markitoxs
[05:10] <ValheruLord> gdesklets.gnomedesktop.og markitoxs
[05:10] <markitoxs> it's down for days...
[05:10] <bobbyd> are there any steps I need to do apart from configuring postfix to allow remote hosts on the internet to connect to my mail server?
[05:10] <ValheruLord> gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org markitoxs
[05:10] <thoreauputic> Thewrdnrd: you can disable esd (esound) by typing 'killall esd ' - to start it again you can do esd &
[05:10] <LinuxJones> charles, Ubuntu is based on Debian which has been around for many years
[05:10] <JaZYLNX> nice thanks LinuxJones
[05:10] <u19809> will try
[05:10] <LinuxJones> JaZYLNX, GL ;)
[05:11] <markitoxs> ValheruLord, it's down for days.. can t even connect to the page
[05:11] <thuron> list
[05:11] <charles> LinuxJones, yes but it (ubuntu) tries very hard to be user-friendly and auto-detect your hardware and provide good default settings... in a few more years it will be able to detect more hardware properly
[05:11] <JayParadise> is there any options for changing rm to putting the file to delete in the trash can instead of auto delete
[05:11] <hondje> no
[05:11] <reka> charles: try asking crimsun when he's active if you can't find a solution...he's the resident sound guru in here
[05:11] <ubuntu> ubuntu is very good...i think
[05:11] <thuron> java help any one
[05:12] <phixion> is that why you named yourself after it?
[05:12] <thoreauputic> JayParadise: you could make it an alias in ~/.bashrc
[05:12] <hondje> mv <file> $HOME/.Trash is how you do that
[05:12] <JayParadise> i could do alias rm='mv $# $HOME/.local/share/trash/files
[05:12] <markitoxs> ValheruLord,  u don't know ny other site?
[05:12] <kemik> !java
[05:12] <ubotu> I guess java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[05:12] <JayParadise> but in that dir i notice it has to subdirectories
[05:12] <Chadza> !dvd
[05:12] <ubotu> somebody said dvd was There are many good free players for linux. Totem is installed in Ubuntu by default add totem-xine and voila! - Mplayer, XINE, VLC (Cross platform) are also very good. gstreamer-totem
[05:12] <charles> reka, thanks I'll stick around... I actually saw a post online mentioning thanks to crimsun which is what cause me to join the channel
[05:12] <JayParadise> it like autocreates trash info files
[05:12] <JayParadise> o well
[05:13] <ubuntu> what the comand to open another channel
[05:13] <LinuxJones> charles, yeah in 2 years I would suspect Ubuntu will be the most popular distro around :)
[05:13] <phixion> ubuntu: /join #channelname
[05:13] <thoreauputic> ubuntu: /join #channelname
[05:13] <thoreauputic> phixion: :)
[05:13] <phixion> :D
[05:13] <charles> LinuxJones, check distrowatch.org it would seem that way already
[05:13] <thoreauputic> phixion: GMTA
[05:14] <phixion> GMTA?
[05:14] <LinuxJones> charles, distrowatch isn't a really good indication of that :D
[05:14] <chiisai> How do I install a .deb package?
[05:14] <thoreauputic> phixion: Great Minds Think Alike ;-)
[05:14] <phixion> ahh :D
[05:14] <ubuntu> thanks
[05:14] <plopp> chiisai: dpkgv -i *.deb
[05:14] <plopp> chiisai, sry dpkg -i *.deb
[05:15] <PrimoTurbo> Hey guys I need some help please, I downloaded doom3 demo
[05:15] <PrimoTurbo> for linux
[05:15] <PrimoTurbo> how do I run the file to install it doom3-linux-1.1.1286-demo.x86.run
[05:15] <PrimoTurbo> I tried sudo doom3-linux-1.1.1286-demo.x86.run
[05:15] <kemik> try ./
[05:15] <reka> charles: yeah, i might be mistaken, but i think he's actually involved with sound dev
[05:15] <PrimoTurbo> ./ ?
[05:15] <chiisai> plopp: bash: gpkg: command not found
[05:15] <plopp> PrimoTurbo sudo sh *.run
[05:15] <PrimoTurbo> oh
[05:15] <PrimoTurbo> k thanks
[05:15] <kemik> PrimoTurbo:  ./doom3-linux-1.1.1.......
[05:15] <thoreauputic> chiisai: dpkg
[05:15] <salapoliisi> PrimoTurbo: did it work?, since i tried with ./ but it says nothing
[05:16] <plopp> chiisai dpkg
[05:16] <azik> PrimoTurbo, chmod 755 doom*.run, ./doom*.rom
[05:16] <chiisai> oh, typo x.x
[05:16] <chiisai> Thanks, I thought my system was borked.
[05:16] <Chadza> Can someone point me towards dvd playback help?
[05:16] <thoreauputic> chiisai: not yet ;-)
[05:16] <Chadza> Oh the wiki or forums?
[05:16] <thuron> ok i am doing some thing way wrong as a noob is apt to do and can get the ls command to show java but lost from there
[05:16] <kemik> !restrictedformats
[05:16] <ubotu> methinks restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[05:17] <kemik> Chadza:  libdvdcss2, need to add repository in your sources.list
[05:17] <thoreauputic> !multimedia
[05:17] <ubotu> well, multimedia is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[05:17] <PrimoTurbo> sudo sh seems to be working, verifying some integirty atm
[05:17] <reka> !tell thuron about java
[05:17] <PrimoTurbo> how much do u guys get in the gears thing
[05:17] <Chadza> What repository?
[05:17] <PrimoTurbo> you know what I mean to test your video card
[05:18] <PrimoTurbo> how many frames do u get?
[05:18] <plopp> PrimoTurbo: ~2000fps
[05:18] <PrimoTurbo> which video card do u have?
[05:18] <LinuxJones> PrimoTurbo, just over 1300 fps
[05:18] <thoreauputic> Chadza: read ubotu's URL above (multimedia)
[05:18] <Chadza> Okay.
[05:18] <Piero> hi everyone
[05:18] <reka> PrimoTurbo: iirc, it's a poor benchmarking tool
[05:18] <PrimoTurbo> I'm getting 2300+
[05:18] <elwood> i get 486 fps
[05:18] <plopp> PrimoTurbo: Radeon 9500pro
[05:18] <tucoz> !info umbrello
[05:18] <Piero> where can I found instruction for how to become a download mirror?
[05:18] <ubotu> umbrello: (UML modelling tool and code generator), section universe/devel, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu5 (hoary), Packaged size: 1757 kB, Installed size: 4856 kB
[05:19] <PrimoTurbo> 9700 Pro Here
[05:19] <JaZYLNX> is there a ubuntu channel that's just for ppc?
[05:19] <PrimoTurbo> installing doom3 now
[05:19] <LinuxJones> Piero, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/mirror/document_view
[05:19] <PrimoTurbo> what's the other gears one
[05:19] <PrimoTurbo> it's like gl or something
[05:19] <Piero> thx LinuxJones
[05:19] <JaZYLNX> because i got pdbuttons problem
[05:19] <PrimoTurbo> a cube spins with 6 gears running in it?
[05:20] <tucoz> I want to install umbrello, and when I type !info umbrello, it says section universe/devel. Do I need to change my sources.lst?
[05:20] <tucoz> synaptic can't find the package
[05:21] <reka> PrimoTurbo: fgl_glxgears
[05:21] <thoreauputic> !reos
[05:21] <ubotu> thoreauputic: Are you smoking crack?
[05:21] <reka> tucoz: just use the search function
[05:21] <thoreauputic> damn
[05:21] <thoreauputic> !repos
[05:21] <ubotu> well, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:22] <thoreauputic> reka: you need to add universe
[05:22] <leroj> i love synaptic :D
[05:22] <tucoz> reka: I did. It doesn't find the package.
[05:22] <thoreauputic> bah sorry
[05:23] <thoreauputic> tucoz: sudo apt-get update or reload synaptic
[05:23] <reka> thoreauputic: i have. :)
[05:23] <thoreauputic> reka: sorry it was an error - I meant tucoz ;)
[05:23] <reka> tucoz: yeah, sorry....misread you, thought you meant you couldn't find it using the sections...
[05:24] <reka> thoreauputic: no worries :)
[05:24] <tucoz> reka: thanks anyway
[05:25] <samu> does anyone know how i can display files that have filenames using japanese characters from a mounted NTFS partition?
[05:26] <reka> tucoz: what diagrams are you doing OOC?
[05:26] <mjr> samu, use the "utf8" option when mounting the ntfs
[05:26] <mjr> samu, then they should work just fine, assuming you use the default ubuntu locales
[05:27] <apokryphos> What are the more popular *gnome* apps. I presume Nautilus is one.. others? (not just GTK ones)
[05:28] <PrimoTurbo> Has anyone tried the doom3 demo?
[05:28] <tucoz> reka: I am programming in c++
[05:28] <reka> apokryphos: gnomebaker? :)
[05:28] <tucoz> So OOP
[05:28] <plopp> PrimoTurbo: yes, idid
[05:28] <samu> mjr, where do you change the ubuntu locales?
[05:28] <PrimoTurbo> When I run it, I get a black screen and I have to ctrl + alt + backspace
[05:28] <PrimoTurbo> any idea what could be causing this?
[05:28] <plopp> PrimoTurbo: i got the same problem
[05:28] <PrimoTurbo> damn
[05:28] <mjr> samu, you don't want to do that
[05:28] <plopp> i think its because of the ati-card
[05:28] <samu> mjr, ok :)
[05:29] <linukso> samu: if you must, edit /etc/enviroment
[05:29] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: look for apps beginning with "g" ;-)
[05:29] <PrimoTurbo> yeah I have a ati 9700 Pro 128mb but I think I set it up correctly
[05:29] <dippo> does ubuntu have any sort of gui wireless ESSID/WEP/WPA selection tool?
[05:29] <PrimoTurbo> can u run any other gl games?
[05:29] <plopp> yes
[05:29] <samu> so you mean it should work as long as i dont mess around with the locales settings?
[05:29] <plopp> no, wait
[05:29] <mjr> samu, yes
[05:29] <plopp> Nexuiz didn't run in OGL mode
[05:29] <mjr> samu, but you need to unmount the ntfs and mount it again with the utf8 option, as said
[05:30] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: although that doesn't apply to the absurd degree it does for "k" and KDE
[05:30] <PrimoTurbo> I see
[05:30] <PrimoTurbo> Well I need to find a way to fix this, I really want to see what fps I get on linux with doom3
[05:30] <plopp> PrimoTurbo: with my nvidia TNT pci card, everything works fine :)
[05:30] <samu> mjr, cant i just edit the "file that i cant remember the name of but contains settings for mounted partitions" and then re-execute that "script"
[05:31] <PrimoTurbo> oh well
[05:31] <PrimoTurbo> does sound like a ati issue
[05:31] <Thewrdnrd> Hmmm. Is there a menu item for desktop preferences like there is under Debian?
[05:31] <PrimoTurbo> i'll look into it/search for it
[05:31] <thoreauputic> samu: do you mean /etc/fstab ?
[05:31] <plopp> yeah, waiting for new drivers
[05:31] <samu> thoreauputic, ah, maybe that was the one i was trying to remember
[05:31] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: why is it absurd?
[05:32] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: it just seems that every KDE app begins with "K"
[05:32] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: yes
[05:32] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: oh, I forgot amaroK
[05:32] <thoreauputic> ;)
[05:33] <reka> Thewrdnrd: what sort of preferences?
[05:33] <elwood> thoreauputic, klogd is no kde :)
[05:33] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: but why is it absurd?
[05:33] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: though, see i.e. gwenview
[05:33] <thoreauputic> elwood: true
[05:33] <Thewrdnrd> reka: I want to disable ESD.
[05:33] <tucoz> Thanks for the help guys. See you.
[05:33] <samu> so do i just add " utf8" after the "umask=0222" ?
[05:34] <nebular> so I installed kubunto hoary, and it would seem that my mixer doesn't adjust the base or treble settings on my soundblaster live.
[05:34] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: I said "to an absurd degree" - not that it was *inherently* absurd ;-)
[05:34] <elwood> Thewrdnrd, you can remove from gnome session
[05:34] <mjr> samu, yes, comma-separated
[05:34] <mjr> ",utf8"
[05:34] <Tired_> Hello! Is it possible to install Ubuntu without using it's kernel?
[05:34] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: I think it's pretty odd, but it has a warm strangeness for me :P. Easy to identify K apps, a lot of the time.
[05:34] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: they'll do anything to get a K in there ;-)
[05:34] <samu> mjr, ah, i see. and how do i get this script to reload again?
[05:35] <Tired_> Debian-based kernels will not boot on my machine.
[05:35] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: and when they do, it's uppercase :P
[05:35] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: I spoke in jest, sir !
[05:35] <elwood> Tired_, is easier to install ubuntu and then recompile a kernel from sources or copy the image that you preferr
[05:35] <Tired_> i can't boot the install cd
[05:35] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: =)
[05:35] <elwood> Tired_, why?some strange hw?
[05:35] <Tired_> i need to install another kernel, then get Ubuntu in there after, somehow
[05:35] <mjr> samu, it's not a script; do sudo umount /ntfs ; sudo mount /ntfs (where /ntfs is where you have the thing mounted)
[05:35] <Tired_> yes, known issue with debian kernels and Dell precision 610s
[05:36] <JayParadise> mv ${[1-9] }*  <-- i know that isn't working
[05:36] <elwood> Tired_, but you have particular modules?
[05:36] <Tired_> huh?
[05:36] <JayParadise> im trying to set that as argument 1-9, anyone know the right format/
[05:36] <Tired_> it won't go past ok, uncompressing the kernel
[05:37] <Tired_> ever
[05:37] <samu> mjr, i seem to remember there was some way to automatically have the fstab file checked for any updates and change the mounts accordingly...
[05:37] <Tired_> there's forum posts unresolved on this going back a year
[05:37] <Tired_> from other people
[05:37] <thuron> is there some one that can do a remote desk top take over to help install java i am at witts end
[05:37] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: I lerned never rhetorik, certayne - thing that I speke it moot be bare and plaine
[05:37] <samu> well, i guess it wont kill me to do it manually just this once
[05:38] <mjr> samu, mount -a probably, but I don't think it changes the options for already mounted filesystems (and besides, the ntfs driver has some trouble in changing options on the fly)
[05:38] <boga> is there any keyboard short cuts to tyoing characters like these - "" and ""?
[05:38] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: hehe. Good going ;-). My middle-English is still poor, no doubt.
[05:38] <binbrain> is X still broken in breezy?
[05:38] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: ;)
[05:38] <Tired_> so, i ask again, can i run ubuntu with, say, a gentoo kernel?
[05:39] <mjr> Tired_, "probably"
[05:39] <elwood> Tired_, you can boot with your kernel..but from the cd
[05:39] <elwood> of from other partition...i suppose
[05:39] <samu> mjr, ah. well thanks. it seems to work! thank you very much! now i can finally listen to my judy ongg - miserarete mp3
[05:39] <Tired_> can i somehow incorporate the other-distro kernel into Ubuntu?
[05:39] <Tired_> i don't want to run gentoo, i just need to workaround this issue
[05:40] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: God woot! (I don't forget that :P)
[05:40] <DekaPink> Yargh. How do I make it not play music when I happen to click on a music file? :3
[05:40] <LinuxJones> Tired_, no Ubuntu and Gentoo have different patches to the kernel
[05:41] <Tired_> darn.  would any non-debian-derived kernels work?
[05:41] <charles> Tired_: I wish to do the same... I like ubuntu but unfortunately my gentoo kernel worked better
[05:41] <reka> DekaPink: make what not play?
[05:41] <kokoko1> hi, one fast question is ubuntu 64 bit distro?
[05:41] <LinuxJones> Tired_, what kind of hard drive do you have ?
[05:42] <DekaPink> reka: Uh... like... the file browser, I guess.
[05:42] <Tired_> i have U2W SCSI drives (9.1GB) and one 27GB IDE drive
[05:42] <Tired_> I typically use the scsi drives as software raid
[05:42] <wdh> Tired_, you could always try to customise a vanilla kernel :P or compile your own
[05:42] <reka> DekaPink: i guess you mean the preview feature when you mouse-hover....you can change that it the options
[05:42] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: slept I neer on Mount Parnasso, ne lerned Marcus Tullius Cicero ... we can start #ubuntu-middle-english ;)
[05:42] <Tired_> ah, but i'm a clueless newbie
[05:43] <reka> DekaPink: if not, what else do you expect when you click on a music file? :)
[05:43] <Tired_> i was suggested ubuntu as a new linux user
[05:43] <LinuxJones> Tired_, do you currently have a working version of Linux installed ?
[05:43] <kokoko1> guess not?
[05:43] <Tired_> no
[05:44] <reka> kokoko1: i think there's a 64bit version available...but iirc, it's not perfect and people have preferred to stick with the '32-bit' version.
[05:44] <Tired_> i did have a working gentoo, but i didn't understand it
[05:44] <LinuxJones> Tired_, how far can you get in the install ?
[05:44] <jabra> when is breezy going to be released?
[05:44] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: watch out -- I have OP powers there :P
[05:44] <HiddenWolf> jabra: october
[05:44] <LinuxJones> jabra, October
[05:44] <Tired_> i boot the cd, i get to ok, uncomressing the kernel, it dies.
[05:44] <jabra> thanks, thanks
[05:44] <jabra> what do people think of the new gnome
[05:45] <LinuxJones> jabra, 2.12 will rock !!
[05:45] <Tired_> google shows this issue with this type of dell in debian and ubuntu forums for a long while
[05:45] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: >>> thoreauputic has been kicked from #ubuntu-middle-english ( incorrect syntax)
[05:45] <jabra> favorite feature?
[05:45] <boga> jabra: It'll rock even more if the fonts are made more crisp.
[05:45] <LinuxJones> Tired_, there is no help via google or those websites ?
[05:45] <jabra> I am wondering when if if will they make nautilus naviagtion not sux
[05:45] <kokoko1> reka, thanks
[05:45] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: incorrect indeed! You didn't provide the reason. Use of incorrect middle-English ;-)
[05:45] <LinuxJones> jabra, the services manager is a long overdue feature :)
[05:46] <Tired_> a few people had the problem, but no one seems to have found a solution that didn't involve Red hat
[05:46] <Tired_> installing red hat
[05:46] <Tired_> :(
[05:46] <jabra> LinuxJones: very true
[05:46] <PrimoTurbo> Has anyone else in here played the DOOM 3 Demo on Ubuntu?
[05:46] <jabra> PrimoTurbo: yes
[05:46] <samu> ack, but now the "add directory" dialogue of XMMS cant display the japanese characters :(
[05:46] <PrimoTurbo> did you get a black screen after running it?
[05:46] <jabra> no
[05:46] <PrimoTurbo> do u have an ati card?
[05:47] <jabra> gotta gnome screen
[05:47] <jabra> no nvidia binary
[05:47] <LinuxJones> Tired_, I am wondering if you need certain scsi device drivers that aren't available in Debian based distros by default
[05:47] <Tired_> Adaptec?
[05:47] <elwood> LinuxJones, gnome 2.12?
[05:47] <Tired_> they're pretty standard
[05:47] <PrimoTurbo> I see, damn.
[05:47] <LinuxJones> elwood, yeah it's coming in September
[05:47] <PrimoTurbo> Do u know why I get a black screen after running doom3 demo?
[05:47] <elwood> LinuxJones, any changelog?
[05:47] <Tired_> AIC-7880 i believe
[05:47] <PrimoTurbo> I know I setup the drivers correctly because I get better fps in gl gears
[05:47] <elwood> PrimoTurbo, read logs!!
[05:47] <Tired_> besides, the cd drive is ide, as is the /root
[05:48] <PrimoTurbo> How can I?
[05:48] <Tired_> scsi is not necessary for boot
[05:48] <PrimoTurbo> I get a black screen after running the demo
[05:48] <PrimoTurbo> then I cannot get back to desktop
[05:48] <PrimoTurbo> I have to do ctrl alt backspace
[05:48] <PrimoTurbo> it
[05:48] <Tired_> besides, it hangs before it gets to look for modules.  it's literally the first line
[05:48] <PrimoTurbo> it's a black screen at 640 x 480 @ 85Hz
[05:49] <plopp> PrimoTurbo: start from the terminal
[05:49] <PrimoTurbo> I did
[05:49] <PrimoTurbo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=53347
[05:49] <PrimoTurbo> plopp don't u have the same issue?
[05:49] <plopp> yepp
[05:49] <LinuxJones> elwood, check slashdot there is a preview of 2.12 there right now about 5 stories down
[05:49] <elwood> LinuxJones, it will be a great gnome :)
[05:50] <PrimoTurbo> is there an alt + tab thing in Linux?
[05:50] <live2> I just installed Hoary on my other computer, and I cant reach the internet. eth0 is up and all the settings seem to be correct. How do I troubleshoot this?
[05:50] <plopp> yes, there is
[05:50] <LinuxJones> elwood, I used to use KDE untill I installed Ubuntu, now I would never run anything else :)
[05:50] <plopp> press alt + tab :)
[05:50] <LinuxJones> PrimoTurbo, yes
[05:51] <PrimoTurbo> yes?
[05:51] <PrimoTurbo> I guess it doesn't work when I'm in doom3
[05:51] <PrimoTurbo> cause I tried it
[05:51] <plopp> PrimoTurbo sometimes it doesnt work instantliy
[05:51] <plopp> so try some times
[05:51] <LinuxJones> PrimoTurbo, even better you can use ctrl + alt + <arrow keys> to change virtual desktops
[05:51] <PrimoTurbo> I know I waited
[05:51] <mjr> many games grab the whole keyboard when run in full-screen mode
[05:51] <PrimoTurbo> cool didn't know
[05:52] <mjr> which is rather naughty of them
[05:52] <PrimoTurbo> LinuxJones: Any idea why I get a black screen in doom3 after running it?
[05:52] <mjr> at least they should provide a shortcut for changing between fullscreen and windowed mode
[05:52] <LinuxJones> PrimoTurbo, run it from a console terminal and look for any errors that might come up
[05:52] <reka> PrimoTurbo: what drivers?
[05:52] <elwood> !grub
[05:52] <ubotu> it has been said that grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto
[05:53] <PrimoTurbo> reka: I'm not sure I followed a guide to install them, 1 sec
[05:53] <PrimoTurbo> LinuxJones: the problem is that the terminal is too fast and then I'm in doom3 with a black screen
[05:53] <reka> PrimoTurbo: the binaryhowto?
[05:53] <PrimoTurbo> I can't alt + tab
[05:54] <PrimoTurbo> reka: I followed this - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557
[05:54] <LinuxJones> PrimoTurbo, if you hit the escape key a few times does doom3 close ?
[05:54] <PrimoTurbo> no I tried
[05:54] <u19809> just installed mencoder-586.  It segfaults.  hints ?
[05:54] <derreck> PrimoTurbo, executable > file.txt 2>&1 & then read file.txt next time you come in?
[05:55] <psychonate> also, I think some ID games will keep you on black screens if they can't connect to the sound device, but I could be wrong
[05:55] <LinuxJones> PrimoTurbo, do you have the 3d drivers installed for your nvidia or ati card ?
[05:55] <PrimoTurbo> ati
[05:55] <PrimoTurbo> I don't have a nvidia card
[05:55] <PrimoTurbo> I have a ATI 9700 Pro 128Mb
[05:55] <LinuxJones> PrimoTurbo, but you installed the binary drivers though correct ?
[05:56] <PrimoTurbo> yes I think so
[05:56] <PrimoTurbo> because when I run fgl_glxgears I get 536 fps
[05:56] <kostkon> PrimoTurbo: it's very low!!
[05:57] <reka> glxinfo | grep rendering
[05:57] <PrimoTurbo> this is fgl_glxgears
[05:57] <PrimoTurbo> not glxgears
[05:57] <PrimoTurbo> in glxgears I just got between 3000-5000
[05:57] <PrimoTurbo> fps
[05:57] <psychonate> ah, should be fine then
[05:57] <PrimoTurbo> and before I was getting 200 with no drivers
[05:57] <kostkon> PrimoTurbo: ok
[05:57] <dTk> hi. what's the name of the modules.conf file under ubuntu and where can i find it?
[05:58] <LinuxJones> PrimoTurbo, did it ever work ?
[05:58] <PrimoTurbo> psychonate: u might be correct
[05:58] <PrimoTurbo> only esd works here?
[05:58] <PrimoTurbo> I need alsa or something?
[05:58] <PrimoTurbo> this is probally a sound issue isn't it
[05:59] <psychonate> Well, don't get ahead of yourself. Did you get to see any ouptut from the terminal?
[05:59] <PrimoTurbo> hold on I might have to relogin
[05:59] <psychonate> er, why
[05:59] <PrimoTurbo> cause i'll get the black screen
[05:59] <PrimoTurbo> how do I save the log?
[05:59] <PrimoTurbo> file.txt 2>&1 ?
[06:00] <psychonate> if your screen goes black, hit ALT+CTRL+F2, login, kill the proccess, and then ALT+CTRL+F7 to get back to X
[06:00] <PrimoTurbo> okay I'll try it, thanks
[06:00] <psychonate> That's how I usually handle these things anyway
[06:00] <PrimoTurbo> k I didn't know, 1 min
[06:00] <psychonate> just make sure you know how to kill processes heh
[06:02] <psychonate> I'm going to guess he didn't know how :(
[06:02] <jordan_> does anyone know of a good package to convert wma to mp3 or ogg?
[06:02] <psychonate> ewww
[06:02] <PrimoTurbo> I have a problem
[06:02] <PrimoTurbo> how do I kill doom3 process after?
[06:03] <kostkon> kill -9 pid
[06:03] <psychonate> jordan_, you'd be converting one lossy codec to another. That's generally a bad idea because you're going to get even more loss
[06:03] <PrimoTurbo> k
[06:03] <psychonate> It's better to try killing without -9 first
[06:03] <dimitris> I got a problem with gtk1 application fonts. The /etc/gtk/gtkrc.utf-8 somehow got edited and uses some ungly fonts. Can someone post his gtkrc.utf-8 file so that i can restore my fonts settings for gtk1 apps. Thnx
[06:03] <kostkon> ps -fu username
[06:03] <kostkon> and then kill -9 pid
[06:03] <kostkon> ok without -9 first
[06:03] <psychonate> jordan_, it's better to just rerip your CDs, or else leave them as is if you can
[06:03] <MyKq3> hi
[06:04] <jordan_> really
[06:04] <psychonate> jordan_, however, if you do rerip your discs, ogg vorbis is a good choice
[06:04] <jordan_> that will take a LONG time
[06:04] <MyKq3> how can i find out what is my Ubuntu boot partition ?
[06:05] <jordan_> I originally recorded them as 192k VBR wma, but now that I am a dedicated linux user, I would like to get mp3 or ogg
[06:05] <psychonate> jordan_, with the amount of loss you'd get from converting from one lossy codec to another lossy codec, I don't think it's worth it to reencode wma/mp3 to vorbis myself.
[06:05] <LinuxJones> jordan_, .ogg is awesome :)
[06:05] <psychonate> I would leave the files as is, or take the time to just rerip my CDs straight to vorbis.
[06:05] <reka> MyKq3: look at /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:06] <jordan_> that would take weeks
[06:06] <jordan_> it is a 47 GB collection
[06:06] <phixion> why use wma over mp3 anyway? :o
[06:06] <MyKq3> were do u have to look ??? reka
[06:06] <jordan_> I was an idiot
[06:06] <PrimoTurbo> how do I find the list of proccess to kill
[06:06] <elwood> omg
[06:06] <psychonate> Then I would leave my files as is, and just rerip new CDs (when I get them) to ogg vorbis from now on.
[06:06] <james> does anyone have a linux based system?
[06:06] <elwood> it takes too time
[06:06] <kostkon> ps -fu username
[06:06] <elwood> james, i have
[06:07] <kl4> hi
[06:07] <kostkon> PrimoTurbo: ps -fu yourusername
[06:07] <kl4> where can i paste?
[06:07] <james> i just started using it and it is kinda harder then i thought
[06:07] <reka> MyKq3: scroll down for a section that has a title similar to something like this:
[06:07] <PrimoTurbo> thnx
[06:07] <reka> title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.10-5-386
[06:07] <james> i am just trying to get it to play some music but i have having trouble installing things like that
[06:07] <MyKq3> thanks
[06:07] <psychonate> You have to realize that mp3, vorbis, wma, and many other codecs are "lossy," so you lose a little bit with each encode; it's not good to reencode them more than you have to.
[06:08] <reka> MyKq3: then look at the kernel line....for something like 'root=/dev/hda3'
[06:08] <MyKq3> reka,  many thanks man
[06:08] <reka> np
[06:09] <PrimoTurbo> my desktop is fucked
[06:09] <PrimoTurbo> it's in 640x480
[06:09] <kostkon> PrimoTurbo: what happened!?
[06:09] <reka> psychonate: for some reason i thought of chinese whispers when you gave that explanation :)
[06:10] <PrimoTurbo> and I can't see what I'm typing
[06:10] <kostkon> just restart gdm?
[06:10] <dimitris> Anyone? Just paste the info from /etc/gtk/gtkrc.utf-8 file to restore my settings.
[06:10] <PrimoTurbo> untill it scrolls
[06:10] <PrimoTurbo> and mouse doesn't work
[06:10] <psychonate> reka, er, I don't follow you. Do you mean like literally people whispering in chinese lol?
[06:10] <plopp> PrimoTurbo: kcontrol ->periphals -> display
[06:10] <PrimoTurbo> I killed the doom 3 process
[06:10] <psychonate> PrimoTurbo, ok, where you able to get back into X fine then?
[06:10] <psychonate> s/where/were
[06:10] <plopp> if ure using kde, of course.
[06:10] <PrimoTurbo> but my desktop is stuck in 640x480 and I just see kstkon just now
[06:10] <reka> PrimoTurbo: try ctrl+alt+'+' for the res problem
[06:10] <kostkon> PrimoTurbo: or just restart gdm
[06:11] <PrimoTurbo> .
[06:11] <reka> psychonate: wow, you've never heard of 'chineses whispers' !?
[06:11] <psychonate> The whole point of him going through all this trouble was so that he wouldn't have to restart anything
[06:11] <psychonate> reka, no :(
[06:11] <psychonate> Should I have?
[06:12] <PrimoTurbo> I'm in gnome but I can't see shit
[06:12] <PrimoTurbo> mouse doesn't work ;(
[06:12] <psychonate> PrimoTurbo, did you try the what reka said?
[06:12] <plopp> rpes [srtg] +[alt] + '-'
[06:12] <plopp> PrimoTurbo press [srtg] +[alt] + '-'
[06:13] <LinuxJones> PrimoTurbo, ctrl + alt + backspace key and then re-login
[06:13] <reka> heh
[06:13] <aigleblanc> tu !
[06:13] <aigleblanc> Hello
[06:13] <PrimoTurbo> how do I restart gdm?
[06:13] <reka> plopp: where's the 'srtg' button?
[06:13] <reka> PrimoTurbo: what LinuxJones said
[06:13] <Josh43> lol - looks like I came in just in time.. My gdm/graphics are broken as well
[06:13] <PrimoTurbo> yeah didn't work
[06:14] <plopp> reka: sry, its my german layout, i meant ctrl
[06:14] <Josh43> Anyone know how to fix error 11?
[06:14] <psychonate> PrimoTurbo, ALT+CTRL+BACKSPACE didn't work?
[06:14] <PrimoTurbo> I will loose the doom3 stuff in my terminal
[06:14] <reka> plopp: oh, ok :)  what's german for control?
[06:14] <LinuxJones> PrimoTurbo, if you can't do that your system is frozen and you will need to hit the reset switch on your pc
[06:14] <psychonate> That is true. You really should be able to just fix your resolution on the fly.
[06:14] <psychonate> I'm not sure why you can't
[06:15] <plopp> reka: steuerung
[06:15] <PrimoTurbo> doom3 terminated after Also
[06:15] <PrimoTurbo> alsa
[06:15] <psychonate> ah,
[06:15] <psychonate> couldn't initialize sound?
[06:15] <kostkon> PrimoTurbo: restart gdm: ctrl-alt-backspace
[06:15] <psychonate> I suspected this.
[06:15] <PrimoTurbo> be back in 1 sec
[06:15] <PrimoTurbo> a
[06:15] <psychonate> If that's the case, it probably doesn't like your sound server. Personally, I hate sound servers with a passion, so I always kill them.
[06:16] <PrimoTurbo> Okay back
[06:16] <psychonate> PrimoTurbo, mind doing some experimentation?
[06:16] <psychonate> PrimoTurbo, what sound server do you run?
[06:16] <leroj> my mplayer plugin for mozilla firefox isn't working
[06:16] <psychonate> esd?
[06:16] <PrimoTurbo> I think so
[06:16] <jiaxiang> hi, i have a problem mounting windows, anybody can help?
[06:16] <psychonate> PrimoTurbo, 'ps -e | grep esd'
[06:16] <psychonate> is it shown?
[06:16] <PrimoTurbo> what will that do
[06:16] <reka> psychonate: chinese whispers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_whispers
[06:17] <reka> :)
[06:17] <psychonate> It will show you if esd is running.
[06:17] <PrimoTurbo> ps -e | grep esd
[06:17] <Josh43> jiaxiang: You mean mounting an ntfs drive?
[06:17] <PrimoTurbo> is what I get when I run it
[06:17] <psychonate> not in here
[06:17] <psychonate> in a terminal
[06:17] <PrimoTurbo> my bad I was posting results
[06:17] <psychonate> It didn't show ESD?
[06:17] <PrimoTurbo> and it didn't copy them because terminal is not ctrl + c
[06:17] <PrimoTurbo> it did
[06:17] <PrimoTurbo>  6973 ?        00:00:00 esd
[06:17] <jiaxiang> josh: yes. actually i mounted the ntfs drive, now my problem is accessing it
[06:17] <kl4> i need to pasteeeeeeeeeee
[06:17] <psychonate> ok, do this: 'killall esd'
[06:17] <psychonate> good?
[06:18] <raven3x7> anyone know if geforce 6200 cards are suppoerted in ubuntu?
[06:18] <jiaxiang> josh: i mounted it to /mnt/win, but now i can't access it unless in root, and i can't change the permissions on it either
[06:18] <blueCommand> Hi
[06:18] <reka> !tell kl4 about pastebin
[06:18] <Josh43> jiaxiang: Ahh.. it's just mounted with restricted permissions.. you could mount it as home/win
[06:18] <psychonate> reka, oh, I know that game
[06:19] <psychonate> reka, we always called it "telephone" lol
[06:19] <blueCommand> To get to my point, I didn't recive any prompt to set the root password while installing ubuntu, so I'm wondering how I'm supposed to become root?
[06:19] <PrimoTurbo> yeah it worked
[06:19] <Josh43> jiaxiang: That means you get it only for the one user o course
[06:19] <psychonate> curse western culture heh
[06:19] <psychonate> PrimoTurbo, excellent. Try doom3 now.
[06:19] <PrimoTurbo> it worked
[06:19] <PrimoTurbo> doom3 runs with sound now
[06:19] <psychonate> Two points for psychonate.
[06:19] <PrimoTurbo> 1 question
[06:19] <Josh43> blueCommand: Dont.. use (and love) "sudo"
[06:19] <reka> i'm an aussie.
[06:19] <PrimoTurbo> do I need to kill esd all the time now?
[06:19] <psychonate> Yet another testament as to why I hate sound servers.
[06:19] <PrimoTurbo> also many of my music apps use it
[06:19] <PrimoTurbo> in fact my whole system does
[06:19] <reka> we always called it that....never heard of 'telephone' till i read that page. :)
[06:19] <psychonate> PrimoTurbo, well, you can restart esd easily once you're done playing with 'esd &'
[06:20] <plopp> PrioTurbo: let ur apps use gstreamer
[06:20] <blueCommand> Josh43, mount then?
[06:20] <psychonate> PrimoTurbo, so, you have two options:
[06:20] <Shingami> hello?
[06:20] <blueCommand> Josh43, I tried to use gksu or what it's called, but it asks for the root password, no luck
[06:20] <jiaxiang> josh: i get the same problem mounting it to /home/win
[06:20] <reka> blueCommand: :
[06:20] <reka> !rootsudo
[06:20] <ubotu> rootsudo is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:20] <Shingami> i'm a newbie
[06:20] <psychonate> PrimoTurbo, either kill esd before you want to play doom3, then start esd afterwards with 'esd &' or look on the forums for a way to make doom3 work with ESD.
[06:20] <Shingami> can someone help me
[06:20] <Josh43> blueCommand: type sudo <yourcommand> : it asks for your own user password
[06:21] <PrimoTurbo> I don't think u can
[06:21] <psychonate> Personaly, as I said, I absolutely hate sound servers, so I don't know a way to make doom3 work easily with ESD off the top of my head
[06:21] <PrimoTurbo> what about setting all the apps to run in Alsa?
[06:21] <PrimoTurbo> cause it works for me also
[06:21] <kl4> i have this http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/326187
[06:21] <plopp> PrimoTurbo use a shellscript to let esd be killed and restarted autmatically
[06:21] <Shingami> I'm needing help loading drivers
[06:21] <Shingami> newbie here
[06:21] <psychonate> PrimoTurbo, I'm not sure if all the GNOME apps will like that.
[06:21] <Josh43> blueCommand: Or, if you really want: sudo -s (root prompt)
[06:21] <PrimoTurbo> I see
[06:21] <psychonate> PrimoTurbo, a good solution would be to make a little script to start doom3 for you.
[06:21] <reka> Shingami: what drivers?
[06:21] <PrimoTurbo> I like that
[06:22] <PrimoTurbo> how can I make one like that?
[06:22] <psychonate> I don't know much about scripting, but it shouldn't be too hard. Let me try to make one quick for you.
[06:27] <kl4> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/326187
[06:27] <PrimoTurbo> and how can I make a icon for doom3?
[06:27] <blueCommand> Josh43, thanks
[06:27] <psychonate> PrimoTurbo, what is the command to start doom3? simply 'doom3'?
[06:27] <PrimoTurbo> doom3-demo
[06:27] <Josh43> jiaxiang: not "/home/win", but <your home directory>/win
[06:27] <JoshRA> Hallo is there away to do a network install
[06:27] <JoshRA> of ubuntu
[06:27] <jiaxiang> josh: thanks, i'll try it again
[06:27] <reka> Shingami: in the channel please
[06:27] <Di42lo> if i have : 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440]  (rev a3) - what do i need to apt-get to install it ?
[06:27] <psychonate> PrimoTurbo, alright, give me a minute. I don't do much scripting, so I'm not sure if this will be good or not heh
[06:27] <LinuxJones> PrimoTurbo, the doom 3 file that you run is probably a script itself. If so you can just add the command to that script itself at the top. (If doom3 is designed like Quake3)
[06:27] <PrimoTurbo> no problem, thanks for your help, I aprricate it
[06:27] <Josh43> ok, anyone ready yet to help me with error 11 on an ati a64 box?
[06:27] <Shingami> Nvidia drivers
[06:27] <Shingami> nforce and nvidia video
[06:27] <Di42lo> nvidia-glx ?
[06:27] <Di42lo> with all the dependies ?
[06:27] <psychonate> yeah, you probably could change their startup script, but I usually prefer to leave those things alone.
[06:27] <Shingami> reka?
[06:27] <reka> !nvidia
[06:27] <ubotu> well, nvidia is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:27] <Di42lo> tgx
[06:27] <Di42lo> thx
[06:27] <reka> Shingami: go to the page ubotu spat out
[06:27] <LinuxJones> psychonate, true, but then again I am a dog for punishing myself :D
[06:27] <Shingami> thx
[06:27] <JoshRA> Hello, I see the install from kanopix can i do that drom the liuve cd?
[06:27] <carlos> hola buenas tardes
[06:27] <psychonate> PrimoTurbo, mind if I PM you?
[06:27] <Shingami> hey reka
[06:27] <PrimoTurbo> np
[06:27] <eno> how do I give my self access to write on /dev/hda4 (or whatever)?
[06:27] <PrimoTurbo> pm me all u want
[06:27] <Shingami> that shows how to load ubuntu drivers
[06:27] <Shingami> but not the nvidia drivers
[06:27] <Shingami> if that makes sense?
[06:27] <reka> Josh43: afaik, no.  you can't install stuff with the liveCD
[06:27] <JoshRA> reka: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/FromKnoppix
[06:27] <kl4> im new bit
[06:27] <reka> Shingami: really?  i thought the nvidia stuff was towards the bottom
[06:27] <JoshRA> is the liuve cd based off knoppix
[06:27] <Shingami> never mind it does
[06:27] <apokryphos> JoshRA: hah! nice.
[06:27] <Shingami> i see it now how to do compile your own
[06:27] <Josh43> reka: weren't me that asked ;)
[06:27] <kl4> im newbie
[06:28] <LinuxJones> Josh43, I think parts of it were based on the work of Morphix
[06:28] <littleworm> how can i run a command on startup?
[06:28] <Shingami> thnx reka
[06:28] <Josh43> JoshRA: The knoppix liveCD is based on debian.. Ubuntu is also based on Debian.. that's about it
[06:28] <Alex[RM-UK] > Hi sorry about that
[06:28] <zeedo> :-( http://store.mozilla.org/?r=mozorg
[06:28] <Alex[RM-UK] > Lipstick has made a folder in the folder I extracted it to called Styles
[06:29] <reka> Josh43: oh, right :)
[06:29] <Alex[RM-UK] > but god knows what to do
[06:29] <eno> don't people usually say that knoppix is pretty far flung from debian though?
[06:29] <jiaxiang> josh: i'm sorry, i tried the same thing in my own directory, same result. i can't access it. when i try to chmod it says changing permissions, read-only filesystem and i'm stuck again.
[06:29] <littleworm> how can i run a command on startup?
[06:29] <Josh43> jiaxiang: ok, what fstab entry do you have?
[06:29] <jiaxiang> josh: how do i check that?
[06:30] <Josh43> eno: debian is a core, not technically the logistics and packages around it, so while the traditional debian install is far from what knoppix is; they are brothers
[06:31] <Josh43> jiaxiang: /etc/fstab
[06:31] <eno> knoppix is pretty awesome... when I was first installing linux it was what showed me the light at the end of the tunnel
[06:31] <eno> but HOLY HELL was I ever confused at first!
[06:31] <Josh43> eno: Yeah, same.. Knoppix was a gateway :)
[06:32] <reka> eno: as in the install was confusing?
[06:32] <Josh43> reka: in general, I think ;)
[06:32] <holycow> eno, there is quite a bit to pick up on
[06:32] <eno> no I tried to just install Debian, but after I installed I just had a command line and no clue what to do.
[06:33] <reka> lol, i remember when i first used it as a linux-newbie i couldn't work out what to do at the prompt....had to google to find out you type in 'knoppix' :D
[06:33] <blueCommand> how can I see what programs that are using a specific file?
[06:34] <Alex[RM-UK] > hahaha, eariler today I was I was going to try Mac OSX......I totaly forgot you need a MaC pc to even run it :(
[06:34] <Alex[RM-UK] > bugger to than then :(
[06:34] <holycow> eno, was this before debian sarge?
[06:34] <Josh43> reka: lol.. yeah, it took me 2 hours to find "startx"
[06:34] <blueCommand> trying to solve "** WARNING **: alsa_setup(): Failed to open pcm device (hw:0,0): Device or resource busy"
[06:34] <LinuxJones> blueCommand, lsof
[06:34] <holycow> eno,  i believe debian asks you if you want desktop/server/etc
[06:34] <eno> Maybe
[06:34] <holycow> desktop does install a desktop actually
[06:34] <eno> well that shows me!  I was confused though
[06:35] <eno> and I still am!
[06:35] <holycow> eno it will take about a year :)
[06:35] <jiaxiang> josh: my fstab has entries for the ext3, swap, cdrom and floppy drives.  it doesn't haev any entry on my ntfs drive
[06:35] <holycow> putter around, then you will have an 'aha' moment and it all shall make sense
[06:35] <reka> Josh43: that's rather understandable though :)
[06:35] <Josh43> jiaxiang: go to wiki.ubunutu.com , and look up mount ntfs - that will sort you out no problem :)
[06:36] <jiaxiang> josh: alright thanks
[06:36] <eno> so is there a way to give my eno user access to a partition like root has, or do I have to do everything in prompt?
[06:37] <holycow> eno, for that you will still haveto use command line
[06:37] <holycow> until someone writes an interface for fstab
[06:37] <eno> oh well.  I am fine with typing
[06:38] <holycow> eno, just keep in mind there is a reason no one bothers writing on
[06:38] <holycow> it's just easier to use the cli as the interface
[06:39] <sm> morning all
[06:39] <eno> You just change the permissions to the drive somehow...  I don't see why there is no reason to do that
[06:39] <sm> I have a mixture of ext3/ntfs/fat partitions
[06:39] <eno> partition I mean
[06:39] <sm> how do I go about adjusting their sizes without re-installing from scratchg
[06:40] <eno> install gparted
[06:40] <sorush20> guys I have more than one of the same printer drivers installed. how can I make sure I only have one..
[06:41] <LinuxJones> sorush20, gnome-cups-manager ?
[06:41] <trans_err> how can I make certain init scripts load in the background, and not have to wait for them to complete
[06:42] <sm> eno, I can't figure out how to do it with gparted
[06:42] <sm> it won't let me do most operations
[06:42] <LinuxJones> trans_err, you can add a '&' like foo& to make it run in the background
[06:42] <sm> do I have to run it from a boot cd ?
[06:42] <eno> well It wont resize ntfs I know
[06:42] <eno> so you would have to copy that data to somewhere else and then format it as something worhtwhile like xfs
[06:42] <trans_err> LinuxJones: so I have to find the part of the script thats stalling, or where the script is being called?
[06:43] <sm> ok thanks.. but I'm looking for the tool/method to resize what I have
[06:43] <psychonate> just run the script from the command line and add a & after the name
[06:43] <trans_err> LinuxJones: theres are init scripts at boot time
[06:43] <sm> I feel there must be a way by now
[06:43] <LinuxJones> trans_err, you should add those to your script so that each command will run in the background as a different job
[06:43] <Josh43> Ok, last chance; anyone want to help me w/error 11 while trying to run x11? Or point me towards wiping the current display drivers and reinstalling?
[06:43] <LinuxJones> trans_err, ohh
[06:44] <trans_err> LinuxJones: light bulb go off :D
[06:44] <LinuxJones> trans_err, :)
[06:44] <trans_err> LinuxJones: any ideas now :D
[06:45] <LinuxJones> trans_err, I wouldn't mess with any init scripts to be honest
[06:46] <moyogo> rrrr
[06:47] <trans_err> LinuxJones: yeah, but I should be able to tell it to load networking in the background while gdm and such loads-- it seems backwards that the computer can't be loading other things
[06:47] <moyogo> breezy is still no good for testing?
[06:47] <charles> I'm running breezy right now, most of the system works but Xorg was difficult to get setup... not recommended for non-tinkerers
[06:48] <moyogo> charles: mmmm maybe i'll give it a shot then
[06:48] <lok> charles, mine have problemes with keayboard
[06:48] <psychonate> trans_err, things would maybe get a bit disorderly, considering some things need to load before others
[06:48] <psychonate> but I'm no expert on init
[06:48] <charles> lok: yeah mine too... I wouldn't switch to breezy without a backup system
[06:48] <lok> and is slower than old one
[06:49] <charles> lok: what's going on with the keyboard?
[06:49] <lok> some keys combinaison are invalid
[06:49] <moyogo> is the live cd good?
[06:49] <trans_err> looks like its time for me to tinker :D
[06:50] <jordan_> does anyone know where you can read more about the breezy development?
[06:50] <Josh43> moyogo: definately, yes
[06:50] <jordan_> I really want to know how things are going, when the expected release date is
[06:50] <Josh43> jordan_: October
[06:50] <jordan_> and what to expect
[06:50] <jordan_> I can't wait
[06:50] <edited> hello, i need help with Xorg, i dunno why this time i got an error, i have installed ubuntu on this laptop several times and i never had any problems
[06:51] <jordan_> I love the 6 month release cycle!!!!
[06:51] <eno> can I just upgrade in october or will I have to reinstall?
[06:51] <zany> hey
[06:51] <Josh43> jordan_; You and me both.. I'm an upgrade whore ;)
[06:51] <jordan_> it is like christmas/kwanza twice a year
[06:51] <zany> having a question or at least a problem
[06:51] <Josh43> eno: Ubgrade is no problem
[06:51] <charles> eno: upgrade pobably
[06:51] <jordan_> you can upgrade easy
[06:51] <jordan_> apt-get upgrade-distro or something like that
[06:51] <eno> I love ubuntu
[06:52] <moyogo> but the channel's topic is still warning not to! ;P
[06:52] <Josh43> jordan_: that easy? I thought you had to change to the upgrade repository, then run an upgrade all
[06:52] <thr1ce> you change hoary to breezy in /etc/apt/sources.list, then run apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:53] <zany> i tried to disable ipv6 but whatever i do, i always have a superslow internet connection... what is weird is that my internet connection is just a cable-modem connected via ethernet card
[06:53] <zany> anyone has an hint please ?
[06:53] <zany> i'm really stuck
[06:54] <Josh43> zany: test it with doing apt-get on something.. should go at least 50KB/s
[06:54] <LokeDK> is there something to make divx movies, in linux, to dvd
[06:54] <psychonate> eww
[06:54] <psychonate> seems like a waste of a DVD ;)
[06:54] <Josh43> but, since I'm out in the cold for help on my own issue: I need to reboot :)
[06:55] <mjr> it's possible, but I think it requires manual labor
[06:55] <psychonate> mencoder should be able to do it
[06:55] <Josh43> LokeDK: Yes, it's this great system called "Torrent".. you find the "conversion file" for the movie, and add DVDR
[06:55] <manu> LokeDK : acidrip ?
[06:55] <moyogo> aight... dist-upgrading to breezy, whatever happens happens
[06:56] <psychonate> LokeDK, http://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=242455
[06:56] <thr1ce> moyogo, i wouldn't
[06:56] <thr1ce> X is broken
[06:56] <lok> moyogo, it's just what I've made
[06:56] <manu> moyogo : "Whatever" could be a broken X server
[06:56] <Josh43> bbl
[06:56] <psychonate> LokeDK, although I would think AVI to SVCD would be more practical, as you wouldn't waste a more expensive DVD disk.
[06:56] <asfra> can somebody tell me what to put in sources.list to get mplayer?
[06:56] <zeus> hello
[06:56] <jordan_> divx to dvd won't be very good
[06:56] <lok> and I have many trouble with gnome, my keyboard
[06:56] <moyogo> why is it not broken on the live cd?
[06:56] <zeus> anyone has experiance with centrino driver?
[06:57] <manu> moyogo : Instead, I would just dist-upgrade, cancel, see what packages you really need to upgrade, then apt-get install them
[06:57] <psychonate> jordan_, probably not, which is why at least (S)VCD would only waste a CDR.
[06:57] <thr1ce> no
[06:57] <thr1ce> do not upgrade to breezy packs
[06:57] <thr1ce> they are all gcc, and that will break your system too
[06:57] <thr1ce> gcc4*
[06:57] <asfra> can somebody tell me what to put in sources.list to get mplayer?
[06:57] <LokeDK> psychonate, hmm don't really know much about it.. does that mean that my divx avi should be a .. err.. what do you call it.. raw avi?
[06:57] <moyogo> manu dist-upgrade was going to install about 700+ packages
[06:58] <LinuxJones> trans_err, it would be nice if Linux could use the OpenSolaris approach for booting. It can load in like 8 seconds from powerup on a multi-processor system.
[06:59] <thr1ce> moyogo, what packs would you like ?
[06:59] <psychonate> LokeDK, I don't think that really has to do with it. Basically, if you convert your AVI to DVD, you will have to burn it onto a 4+ gig DVD, which seems like a waste because your original AVI is probably only like 700MB. If you convert the AVI to an (S)VCD instead, you'd only have to burn the SVCD onto one CDR.
[06:59] <moyogo> thr1ce:  what's coming up in gnome 2.12
[06:59] <asfra> can somebody tell me what to put in sources.list to get mplayer? please
[07:00] <thr1ce> moyogo, well, 2.12 is still in beta; i'd wait til breezy hits RC1
[07:00] <psychonate> LokeDK, and since your source material is only a 700MB AVI, your DVD might not even be that much better than the (S)VCD would have been.
[07:00] <thr1ce> it isn't stable at all atm
[07:01] <asfra> can somebody tell me what to put in sources.list to get mplayer? please
[07:01] <[Spooky] > asfra: check www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:01] <asfra> ok, thanks
[07:01] <thr1ce> asfra, stop asking; look it up
[07:02] <psychonate> LokeDK, however, you might want to try each one yourself and compare them.
[07:02] <eno> how do I enter a parenteses in the prompt so that it won't give an error?
[07:02] <znh> b
[07:02] <znh> are
[07:02] <znh> b
[07:02] <znh> brb
[07:02] <znh> lol
[07:02] <znh> xD
[07:03] <psychonate> LokeDK, the first link was for conversion to DVD; you can also take a look at converting to VCD: http://fixounet.free.fr/avidemux/
[07:03] <cute_bettong> O_o
[07:03] <LokeDK> psychonate, oh well doesn't matter with the quality :)
[07:03] <eno> ha figured it out, just like TeX
[07:03] <LokeDK> oh thx
[07:04] <psychonate> LokeDK, or if you are a fan of mencoder: http://mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/menc-feat-vcd-dvd.html .Their docs look pretty good, but a bit more complicated.
[07:05] <LokeDK> psychonate, is there a big difference besides gui and text?
[07:05] <psychonate> LokeDK, actually, the mencoder docs' examples at the bottom of that page look fairly promising.
[07:06] <Speckmade> I, Ubuntu newbie, got some problems. Anyone in the mood to help?
[07:06] <psychonate> LokeDK, not really. Like I said, I would try them both (eventually at least) just for comparison. Right now just pick whichever you think looks better I suppose.
[07:06] <t0mmy> shoot, speck
[07:06] <LokeDK> oh okay.. i'll start with the gui thing
[07:06] <psychonate> LokeDK, btw, that also shows DVD conversion, so they cover pretty much anything it seems :)
[07:07] <t0mmy> isn't a download gaim thing pointless in #ubuntu? :D
[07:07] <psychonate> quick note: SVCD > VCD, but you might not be able to fit everything on if you use SVCD. Depends mostly on the length of the video IIRC
[07:08] <jcs> Anybody know which package I need to install to get the manpages for standard C functions like memcpy?
[07:08] <LokeDK> what's the difference between SVCD and DVD (sorry not familar with all that dvd stuff)
[07:08] <djp> by changing preferred applications for mail reader and web browser under System/Applications, what is actually changed? does that make a universal change for any programs for example that allow you to send items via email?
[07:08] <psychonate> DVD is much higher quality in *most* cases.
[07:08] <Speckmade> The most important thing atm is: I need a comfortable way to get installed software back in a form, that others can use to install it on their system.
[07:09] <t0mmy> ugh, speck, it's lunchtime for me- but most of these guys can help you
[07:10] <LokeDK> But I can burn SVCD on a dvd and make it play?
[07:10] <josh43> Yay! Fixed it myself :P
[07:10] <psychonate> However, you can't get higher quality than you have in the original source material (your AVI in this case). That's why DVD and SVCD probably wouldn't be too different in this case (because you can't gain any quality on the reencode; the best you can do is get about the same quality as in the AVI).
[07:10] <psychonate> LokeDK, SVCD will play on most players. There is a database you can check. I'll try to link you.
[07:11] <AndieB> Hola ppl!
[07:11] <psychonate> I'm not sure if I explained the SVCD/DVD thing very well, but I tried :)
[07:11] <AndieB> The Ubuntu Linux newbie is back!
[07:11] <LokeDK> it's okay :) i understood
[07:12] <psychonate> LokeDK, this will show you what your DVD player can do (assuming it's listed): http://www.videohelp.com/dvdplayers
[07:12] <Heimdall> hey room
[07:13] <Heimdall> is there somebody with fluxbox here ?
[07:13] <nightswim> I used to use it
[07:13] <Speckmade> Does anyone know a comfortable way to get installed software back in a form, that others can use to install it on their system?
[07:13] <AndieB> So, anyone who AGAIN call tell me how to install a .jar file with java?
[07:13] <LokeDK> psychonate, mine isn't listed.. perhaps because it's a cheap one.. which is not "famous"
[07:13] <jcarr> can I change my apt sources to debian sources and do a dist-upgrade to Debian Sid?
[07:13] <Heimdall> I do not understand why fluxbox change my wallpaper each time I open y session
[07:13] <Heimdall> my*
[07:13] <jcarr> Andares, java -jar jarfile.jar
[07:14] <AndieB> jcarr: I thank you for that!!
[07:14] <thr1ce> Heimdall, set root.command in ~/.fluxbox/init to fbsetbg /path/to/wallpaper.jpg
[07:14] <Heimdall> I did change the 'init' file as it is said on the fluxbox website
[07:14] <jcarr> AndieB, all a jar is is an archive file of java binaries
[07:14] <jcarr> like a tar file
[07:14] <jcs> Heimdall: so what program are you calling in init to set the wallpaper?
[07:14] <Heimdall> session.screen0.rootCommand:	bsetbg -f ~/wallpapers/mirko_invasion.jpg
[07:14] <LokeDK> psychonate, is SVCD a .avi file? or can be
[07:14] <AndieB> jcarr: Oki, I C... (remember, me = newbie ;) )
[07:14] <psychonate> LokeDK, well, most players will play (S)VCD, but I can't guarantee that yours will. You'd have to try to know for sure, or else just encode to DVD.
[07:14] <jcs> Heimdall: so it's changing to what?
[07:14] <psychonate> LokeDK, SVCD is not an AVI
[07:15] <jcarr> AndieB, kind of funny, since I am installing J2EE on my laptop right now for development
[07:15] <Heimdall> jcs, each time I open my session it is a brown screen without any wallpaper
[07:15] <AndieB> jcarr Ah, nice!
[07:15] <jcarr> if I could just get oracle installed :(
[07:15] <LokeDK> psychonate, ah i see..
[07:15] <psychonate> LokeDK, (S)VCDs are actually created with mpegs
[07:15] <jcs> what happens if you issue that full command in a terminal while fluxbox is running?
[07:15] <LokeDK> psychonate, so it doesn't have the .avi extension? because AVI is set as output
[07:15] <Heimdall> jcs, but my file exists, I can change it typing bsetbg -f filename
[07:15] <LokeDK> ah you can choose that also
[07:15] <AndieB> jcarr I just installed j2sdk1.5 in order to be able to use my jEdit
[07:16] <psychonate> LokeDK, which guide did you decide to use?
[07:16] <jcarr> ah, my editor of choice :)
[07:16] <LokeDK> psychonate, what .. audio does SVCD use? i
[07:16] <LokeDK> psychonate, you mean which program or?
[07:17] <jcarr> the folding feature is probably my favorite, since my class files can sometimes be quite large with all those docblocks
[07:17] <psychonate> LokeDK, mp2 usually
[07:17] <Heimdall> hum it is weird no ?
[07:17] <psychonate> LokeDK, yeah, which program?
[07:17] <djp> infact, would i even need to make changes to preferred applications, if i want to use emacs for my web browsing and email?
[07:17] <jcarr> wow... my DSL has been fast as of late... I just downloaded a 150mb file in 15 minutes
[07:17] <djp> would it have any effect?
[07:17] <AndieB> Hmm, I'm curious of what could be "wrong". Now when running on Ubuntu Linux (5.04) I get the feeling that it takes an unusally long time to resolve DNS queries. It went much faster with my Windows XP, anyone got any idea what can be wrong or changed?
[07:17] <eno> what is fstab short for?
[07:17] <mebaran151_> filesystem tab
[07:18] <Speckmade> file system table?
[07:18] <eno> it should be partition tab or something :S
[07:18] <mebaran151_> filesystem tabulation
[07:18] <mebaran151_> quit
[07:18] <jcarr> AndieB, urg... I had that problem before with some other distro... damn I wish I could remember what the cause was
[07:18] <LokeDK> psychonate, the gui.. aviem something
[07:18] <psychonate> LokeDK, alright, and you're looking at that link? It should explain everything pretty well.
[07:19] <paulproteus> table.
[07:19] <paulproteus> filesystem table.
[07:19] <AndieB> jcarr Oki... I'm using a Wlan... (D-Link DWL-650)...
[07:19] <jcarr> anyone know how compatible mono is with .NET?
[07:20] <vader1102> jcarr: no idea
[07:20] <jcarr> I mean, how much I could write something in C# in mono and I could compile it on .NET with little fuss?
[07:20] <AndieB> jcarr So wierd that it takes longer time now, than before... ALL settings are the same as when I run WinXP...
[07:20] <LokeDK> psychonate, yeah I am.. just not sure which aspect ratio (or however it's spelled)
[07:20] <tucoz> I am writing a small tutorial on how to get ubuntu running on the laptop I use. Just need to know if gcc is included in the build-essential package. Is it?
[07:20] <tucoz> that is gcc and g++
[07:20] <LokeDK> psychonate, http://loke.linux.dk/avidemux.jpg if you please could have a look
[07:21] <jcarr> AndieB, yeah.. I'm a computer science graduate, but hardware is my weak point :)
[07:21] <jcarr> I remember having a similar problem though and spending 6 hours searching for a solution
[07:21] <Speckmade> Someone has set my system to synchronize the clock to ntp.ubuntu.org or something everytime it boots. How can I reset this?
[07:21] <paulproteus> jcarr: Mostly, unless you use the Microsoft GUI stuff.
[07:21] <paulproteus> jcarr: You should check out the Mono website for specifics.
[07:22] <psychonate> LokeDK, I see your picture, but I'm not sure what problem you are having. Do you mean you don't know what resolution to use?
[07:22] <skalpel> does gbnome terminal support transparency?
[07:22] <t0mmy> yes
[07:22] <jcarr> paulproteus, cool, because I'm wanting to touch up on .NET since I got hired for a job that'll have me doing .NET stuff
[07:22] <jcarr> it's entry level, but I like to get ahead :)
[07:22] <paulproteus> jcarr: There are a lot of GNOME apps written in C#/Mono.
[07:22] <eno> has anyone here had trouble setting up SDL dev libraries?  When I compile it seems to be missing something
[07:22] <paulproteus> It's sort of icky-feeling, in my opinion. :)
[07:23] <jcarr> .NET and J2EE
[07:23] <t0mmy> ska, go to edit->profiles
[07:23] <t0mmy> click default and click edit
[07:23] <t0mmy> then go to the effects tab
[07:23] <AndieB> jcarr: ;)
[07:23] <djp> anyone know anything about preferred applications?
[07:23] <LokeDK> psychonate, nope.. 16:6 ?
[07:23] <LokeDK> 16:9*
[07:23] <paulproteus> tim: Cool, rochester.rr.com :)
[07:24] <paulproteus> tim: I'm from Rochester, though currently at Univ. in Baltimore.
[07:24] <psychonate> LokeDK, er, where does it ask you for that?
[07:24] <tim> yup :)
[07:24] <asfra> LokeDK: are you the one that wrote HAM?
[07:24] <doctor_salvia> hey hey
[07:24] <tim> paulproteus, Fairport...but heading off to UB next year
[07:24] <Speckmade> you back from your meal, t0mmy?
[07:25] <LokeDK> asfra, err.. what's that?
[07:25] <psychonate> LokeDK, 16:9 = widescreen TV. 4:3 = standard TV.
[07:25] <LokeDK> psychonate, in video configuration
[07:25] <LokeDK> oh well i have a standard TV 14"
[07:25] <skalpel> how can i set my gnome terminal to use transparency?
[07:25] <carambol> whats the name of the channel for ubuntu-dev?
[07:25] <thr1ce> skalpel, he just explained it to you...
[07:25] <psychonate> LokeDK, Use 4:3 then I guess. I didn't realize it would ask you for that. I don't think it's in the guide either.
[07:26] <catolh> Can anyone recommend a good bt client? Azureus looks like shit in linux.
[07:26] <asfra> LokeDK: it's an assistant manager for an online football game, it's another loke from denmark that wrote it I guess.. :)
[07:26] <psychonate> catolh, I prefer bittornado.
[07:26] <catolh> psychonate, how do i install it and start it?.. :p
[07:26] <LokeDK> asfra, Yes it must be :)
[07:26] <catolh> psychonate, i tried sudo apt-get install bittornado once, but i couldnt start it
[07:27] <psychonate> catolh, did you search the packages via synaptic or apt-cache search?
[07:27] <LokeDK> psychonate, Nah just wanted to make sure :)
[07:27] <eno> could someone answer carambols question?  I want to know too
[07:27] <catolh> psychonate, neither, just apt-get install
[07:27] <psychonate> LokeDK, if it doesn't ask, I don't reply :)
[07:27] <psychonate> catolh, try 'apt-cache search bittornado'
[07:28] <lee> does anybody use gnome-terminal with irssi running remotely in a screen?
[07:28] <catolh> psychonate, doh.. bittornado-gui.. :p
[07:28] <psychonate> yeah, there is bittornado and bittornado-gui
[07:28] <eno> can I mount a second drive into / and get more space?
[07:29] <t0mmy> back, speck
[07:29] <LokeDK> psychonate, okay :) just wondering it says to encode audio .. file>save audio.. that's not an option
[07:29] <skalpel> t0mmy: thank you
[07:29] <t0mmy> you're welcome :D
[07:29] <psychonate> catolh, if it didn't make an icon/menu entry, you should be able to start it with 'btdownloadgui.bittornado'
[07:29] <t0mmy> (i need to start cutting down on my emoticon usage >_<)
[07:30] <skalpel> t0mmy: is there any way to tint that?
[07:30] <catolh> psychonate, ok, thanks :)
[07:30] <LokeDK> psychonate, nevermind found it somewhere else
[07:30] <t0mmy> just move the shade meter
[07:30] <psychonate> LokeDK, sounds good. If the AVI is a decent size, this all might take a while.
[07:31] <psychonate> LokeDK, btw, how big is it?
[07:31] <djp> ok. i have changed the preferred application that i want to open url links. however, even if i click on a link it still opens in firefox! any ideas?
[07:31] <skalpel> t0mmy: yeah but that does not set a color, it just tints the background
[07:31] <esac_> i seem to be missing smbmount, what do i need to install to get it ?
[07:31] <catolh> psychonate, i get an error when starting it.. "Mailcap file /etc/mailcap, line 72: incomplete entry ignored."
[07:31] <skalpel> i want it to be blue
[07:31] <catolh> psychonate, it doesnt stop though
[07:31] <t0mmy> change the BG color in the colors tab
[07:31] <skalpel> thank you
[07:31] <skalpel> also, can i set it to open to a certain window size?
[07:31] <t0mmy> i don't think so...
[07:32] <LokeDK> psychonate, the divx avi file?
[07:32] <t0mmy> well, using the --geometry command line switch
[07:32] <skalpel> ok, thank you
[07:32] <psychonate> catolh, it doesn't sound major, so I wouldn't worry about it; I don't think it will affect avidemux. You might want to take the time to check it out sometime though.
[07:32] <skalpel> --geometry x y
[07:32] <skalpel> correct?
[07:32] <psychonate> LokeDK, yeah, the AVI?
[07:32] <LokeDK> 700mb
[07:32] <t0mmy> probably
[07:33] <t0mmy> it might be --geometry=30x40 or whatever
[07:33] <LokeDK> psychonate, what'd think the size of it will be after all that encoding?
[07:33] <skalpel> ok, thank you
[07:33] <dvhart> I am trying to download breezy sources so I can rebuild a newer version of hplip for hoary... but 'apt-get source' always says it can't find source for the package
[07:33] <psychonate> LokeDK, OK, that's good. How long is the movie about? My only concern is that your mpeg might turn out to be too large, especially if you're trying for SVCD.
[07:33] <dvhart> I have tried other packages as well, same result
[07:33] <persi1> Would anyone like to troubleshoot jack and polypaudio today?
[07:33] <djp> ok. i have changed the preferred application that i want to open url links. however, even if i click on a link it still opens in firefox! any ideas?
[07:34] <Cin> alriiiiiight SUNDAY DINNER TAAAAAAAM
[07:34] <LokeDK> psychonate, time? 1hour 15 mins
[07:34] <Cin> oh sorry, wrong box
[07:34] <Cin> :\
[07:34] <dvhart> is there something special I have to do in order to download breezy sources to hoary? (besides adding the apt source line) ??
[07:34] <skalpel> t0mmy: can you tell me what the full custom command would be to set my geometry?
[07:35] <indigirl1> sudo: unable to lookup satellite via gethostbyname()
[07:35] <LokeDK> psychonate, 790mb.. a normal 80min cd is too small for that
[07:35] <indigirl1> i changed /etc/hosts and suddenly i'm unable to sudo anything! so i can't even fix the hosts file. help!
[07:35] <t0mmy> gnome-terminal --geometry=50x20
[07:35] <t0mmy> as an example
[07:36] <skalpel> thank you, i believe that will be all i need/
[07:36] <gradzac> indigirl1: use "su" and become root
[07:36] <bobbyd> indigirl1, you can select recovery mode on boot up
[07:36] <t0mmy> you're welcome, ska
[07:36] <indigirl1> gradzac: ubuntu doesn't allow su
[07:36] <persi1> indigirl1: if you have a root password, try logging into a virtual terminal.
[07:36] <gradzac> indigirl1: sure it does, I use it all the time
[07:36] <bobbyd> indigirl1, in recovery mode you are root on the local machine
[07:37] <indigirl1> persi1: ubuntu doesn't allow logging in as root
[07:37] <psychonate> LokeDK, honestly, I don't know if that's a typo or not
[07:37] <indigirl1> bobbyd: how can i do recovery mode?
[07:37] <gradzac> indigirl1: it is more correct to say that you can't log in as root unless you set a root password :)
[07:37] <bobbyd> indigirl1, as I said, when you reboot, choose it fro mthe boot menu
[07:37] <LokeDK> psychonate, oh okay.. well i'll give it a try
[07:37] <persi1> indigirl1: It does on my box.  Booting into recovery mode ought to let you fix it.
[07:38] <indigirl1> bobbyd: i think i disabled it in the boot menu. if so, what then?
[07:38] <psychonate> LokeDK, if it doesn't work out, you can try VCD instead (AFAIK 1 hour 15 seconds will certainly fit on a VCD)
[07:38] <bobbyd> indigirl1, ohhh. don't know, sorry...
[07:38] <psychonate> s/seconds/minute
[07:38] <dvhart> indigirl1, just edit the grub entry and add single to the kernel options
[07:38] <indigirl1> use boot parameter maybe?
[07:38] <gradzac> indigirl1: I think you can pass a kernel parameter to start in runlevel 0
[07:38] <thr1ce> what is the name of the player similar to rhythmbox for gnome?
[07:39] <skalpel> can someone tell me why when i start my gnome-terminal it shows on my screen for an instant and then closes?
[07:39] <dvhart> indigirl1, highlight the kernel, press e, highlight the command that starts with kernel, append 'single' to the end, press ESC, press b
[07:39] <indigirl1> gradzac: how do i set a root passwd after this mess is fixed?
[07:39] <dvhart> indigirl1, sudo passwd
[07:39] <psychonate> LokeDK, and if *that* doesn't work out, you can try the mplayer guide or the DVD guide. I wish I could be more helpful than that, but it's been a while since I've done this sort of thing.
[07:39] <gradzac> do what dvhart said
[07:39] <asfra> Are virus a problem when running linux? are firewalls recommended? *just wondering*
[07:39] <gradzac> indigirl1: sudo passwd root
[07:40] <psychonate> LokeDK, You can definitely get it one way or another. You just might have to try a few things. At least you'll have a good idea of what you're doing in future attempts.
[07:40] <apokryphos> asfra: no, not really needed for ordinary users
[07:40] <dvhart> gradzac, root is actually superfluous since sudo is running it as root already
[07:40] <gradzac> indigirl1: you said you messed with hosts.conf?  can you fix that with the network app on the System menu?
[07:40] <indigirl1> cool. i like/love ubuntu but this is sorta silly. but it will work
[07:40] <asfra> apokryphos: ok, thanks
[07:40] <coolkev> How do i login to my system as root
[07:40] <indigirl1> gradzac: not hosts.conf but hosts
[07:41] <coolkev> I'm trying to delete the CVS version of gaim i downloaded
[07:41] <dvhart> is anyone here able to download sources from breezy?
[07:41] <gradzac> dvhart: not sure about that, I think "sudo passwd" will change the password for the current user
[07:41] <[Spooky] > there is viruses for *nix right ?
[07:41] <djp> can anybody tell me why if you make a change to the preferred applications for use of web browser and mail reader under ubuntu hoary, it makes not the slightest difference!?!
[07:41] <Amaranth> [Spooky] : Mostly proof-of-concept things.
[07:41] <gradzac> indigirl1: yeah, thats what I meant :)
[07:41] <skalpel> can someone tell me why when i start my gnome-terminal it shows on my screen for an instant and then closes?
[07:41] <dvhart> coolkev, sudo su
[07:41] <[Spooky] > Amaranth: hm ok...
[07:41] <gradzac> indigirl1: there is a hosts tab in the network settings app
[07:41] <lee> I've just installed warty, and gone to System > Administration > Ubuntu Update Manager, hit "Install", and it segfaulted on zlibg1 ... now the "Installing updates" window is sitting there frozen (unable to close it), can I safely reboot without anything breaking?
[07:42] <coolkev> but that's in terminal only
[07:42] <coolkev> i can't do that in normal
[07:42] <Chris_Tucker> anyone here work with openmosix?
[07:42] <dvhart> coolkev, by in normal I assume you mean in X windows?
[07:42] <coolkev> yes
[07:42] <dvhart> coolkev, running X as root is a bad idea in general
[07:42] <indigirl1> gradzac: looks like network settings won't even open. probably screwed up by this
[07:42] <coolkev> i want to delete some folders
[07:42] <dvhart> coolkev, however if you _must_ just give root a password
[07:42] <gradzac> indigirl1: probably so, just another thought on how to fix your problem
[07:43] <coolkev> dvhart how do i do that?
[07:43] <dvhart> coolkev, so open a terminal, and run 'sudo rmdir badfolder'
[07:43] <indigirl1> gradzac: what is the consensus on how to set root passwd?
[07:43] <gradzac> indigirl1: "sudo passwd root"
[07:43] <coolkev> also how do i give root a password?
[07:43] <dvhart> indigirl1, to be safe, use gradzac's example
[07:43] <skalpel> can someone tell me why when i start my gnome-terminal it shows on my screen for an instant and then closes?
[07:43] <dvhart> coolkev, read this channel man, it's been posted three times in the last 2 minutes
[07:43] <gradzac> skalpel: can you load any other terminal?
[07:43] <coolkev> i just came on
[07:44] <skalpel> gradzac: yes, i can use xterm
[07:44] <Nevado> anyone know how to fix firefox after installing new theme? it just doesn't start up, "firefox -safe-mode" gives error
[07:44] <znh> can someone say my name here in chat - i'd like to test guifications
[07:44] <gradzac> skalpel: start an xterm, type "gnome-terminal" and see if it gives you any error messages
[07:44] <Nevado> hello znh
[07:44] <skalpel> ok
[07:45] <znh> blah.. doesn't seem to work
[07:45] <indigirl1> thx gradzac dvhart time for a reboot now...
[07:45] <skalpel> no error message
[07:45] <gradzac> indigirl1: good luck
[07:45] <Chris_Tucker> anyone here work with openmosix?
[07:45] <gradzac> skalpel: same result?
[07:45] <dvhart> coolkev, you will likely also have to edit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf to allow root logins if that is what you want to do
[07:45] <skalpel> yes, same result
[07:45] <znh> oh oh now it does
[07:45] <znh> for every message in chat lol xD
[07:46] <znh> can someone say my name here in chat?
[07:46] <Amaranth> znh:
[07:46] <skalpel> what is your name?
[07:46] <gradzac> skalpel: not much I can tell you unless you can supply and error message or something
[07:46] <znh> Amaranth: hm.. it hates me
[07:46] <skalpel> ok
[07:46] <Nevado> anyone know how to change firefox theme manually in .mozilla?
[07:46] <skalpel> gradzac: it started after i turned transparency on
[07:46] <skalpel> still no idea?
[07:47] <gradzac> skalpel: turn transparency off?
[07:47] <PenguinBoy> a question....what directory is my sources.list in?
[07:47] <Nevado> PenguinBoy, /etc/apt
[07:47] <eno> is there a command to probe my usb for storage devices or wahtever?
[07:47] <PenguinBoy> thanks
[07:47] <Nevado> eno, "lsusb" will list usb devices if that's any help
[07:47] <eno> thanks, that helps a lot
[07:47] <Nevado> eno, dmesg will show kernel info
[07:48] <knowledge_> is there anyway to remove a package without having synaptics try to remove everything else?
[07:48] <skalpel> gratzac:There was a problem with the command for this terminal: Text was empty (or contained only whitespace)
[07:48] <skalpel> that is my error message
[07:48] <skalpel> i used this command line: 'gnome-terminal --geometry=116x20"
[07:49] <eno> dir
[07:49] <eno> oops
[07:49] <by_ruffo> hello people!
[07:49] <LokeDK> psychonate, thanks i will :)
[07:49] <sven_> I have some Problems with modules and raid devices, can someone help ?
[07:50] <by_ruffo> i have problems with my sound card
[07:50] <by_ruffo> someone can helpme ?
[07:50] <sven_> what sound-card ?
[07:50] <dvhart> anyone know how to view the packages that apt thinks it has source for?
[07:50] <persi1> by_ruffo: What kind of problem?
[07:50] <by_ruffo> audigy2 zs
[07:51] <by_ruffo> no there soud
[07:51] <LokeDK> psychonate, what'd you think the resolution should be? in pixels
[07:51] <psychonate> LokeDK, depends if you use NTSC or PAL
[07:51] <gradzac> skalpel: you said your problem started after you turned on transparency, right?
[07:51] <LokeDK> PAL
[07:51] <skalpel> gradzac: yes
[07:51] <persi1> by_ruffo: What program are you using to make sound?
[07:52] <geargolem> blender math import error on different python scripts.
[07:52] <skalpel> gradzac: i turned it off and it still closes
[07:52] <gradzac> skalpel: do you have any other profiles you could use that don't have transparency enabled?
[07:53] <psychonate> LokeDK, also depends on if you're using VCD or SVCD. Use the chart at the top of the mencoder guide: http://mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/menc-feat-vcd-dvd.html
[07:53] <by_ruffo> any program
[07:53] <by_ruffo> no sound
[07:54] <LokeDK> psychonate, ah 480x576
[07:54] <leroj> what do i do with a .run?
[07:54] <persi1> by_ruffo: what does `aplay -l` show?
[07:54] <skalpel> gradzac: i got it tow ork, thank you
[07:55] <gradzac> skalpel: glad to hear it, what did you change?
[07:55] <psychonate> LokeDK, if Avidemux doesn't work out for you, the mencoder guide looks pretty complete.
[07:55] <Lie-Algebra> hi
[07:55] <CarlFK> where is a user's crontab file stored?
[07:55] <LokeDK> psychonate, it suggested 480x480
[07:55] <skalpel> gradzac: i had gradzac: i just had 'run a custom command instead of shell' turned on
[07:56] <psychonate> LokeDK, 480x480 is for NTSC? What country are you in?
[07:56] <leroj> what do i do with a *.run file?
[07:56] <psychonate> run it ;)
[07:56] <charles> sh file.run probably
[07:56] <leroj> how?
[07:56] <by_ruffo> i have 30 min on ubuntu
[07:56] <gradzac> skalpel: cool, glad you got it working
[07:57] <psychonate> LokeDK, US and a few other countries use NTSC.
[07:57] <by_ruffo> :)
[07:57] <LokeDK> psychonate, I live in denmark
[07:57] <skalpel> GRADZAC: thank you
[07:58] <LokeDK> psychonate, so we have PAL
[07:58] <Lie-Algebra> i was wondering how could it be possible that the options used to mount my win partition in the fstab file are not the same that the ones which appear on a boot time?
[07:58] <psychonate> LokeDK, use the PAL resolution then.
[07:59] <LokeDK> psychonate, yeah
[07:59] <CarlFK> how do I set what editor crontab-e uses?
[07:59] <psychonate> I got up too early today :(
[07:59] <persi1> CarlFK: set $EDITOR or $VISUAL
[08:00] <CarlFK> thanks
[08:02] <D1> http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-12/
[08:02] <D1> you guys see that?
[08:03] <majic> yep
[08:03] <LokeDK> psychonate, "else CQ = 7 for example." - do you know what CQ is?
[08:03] <D1> looks good.
[08:03] <D1> breezy is gonna kick ass with gnome 2.12
[08:04] <psychonate> LokeDK, eh, no. What is that from?
[08:04] <LokeDK> psychonate, the guide
[08:04] <skalpel> can someone tell me where scripts for irssi would be stored?
[08:04] <Simonth> LokeDK, have you seen my private message? :)
[08:04] <psychonate> LokeDK, really, I don't see it. Sounds like maybe using some sort of quality setting, but I don't know for sure.
[08:05] <LokeDK> Simonth, I have now
[08:06] <LokeDK> psychonate, hmm maybe I'm not looking at the same guide or something
[08:06] <markrian> In Evolution dates are formatted in the US fashion of mm/dd/yy, but I want them to be displayed in the European fashion of dd/mm/yy. How can I change this? My locale settings appear to be correct, I believe
[08:06] <psychonate> LokeDK, http://fixounet.free.fr/avidemux/doc/en/divx2vcd.xml.html ?
[08:07] <psychonate> LokeDK, the page title is mislabeled, but it's otherwise correct for VCD
[08:07] <LokeDK> psychonate, oops no
[08:07] <psychonate> lol
[08:07] <boodle> silly dumb apt/dpkg question... I'm trying to install mythtv 0.18.1  from "deb http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian unstable mythtv" but it wants libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed...any ideas?
[08:07] <LokeDK> psychonate, oh.. i was looking at http://avidemux.sourceforge.net/doc/en/capture2SVCD.xml.html lol
[08:08] <LokeDK> well someone has to do stupid things
[08:08] <psychonate> LokeDK, that's for a TV card :(
[08:08] <RolandU> hi all!
[08:08] <psychonate> LokeDK, lol well, it's no biggy
[08:08] <TriniTriggs6> hey how do I disable splash (for amaroK and RSSOwl)?
[08:08] <psychonate> LokeDK, it doesn't hurt anything, but you'll have to start over
[08:08] <RolandU> can anyone tell me: what's the minimum installed size of  kubuntu+openoffice ?
[08:09] <psychonate> RolandU, tell us how much space you have.
[08:09] <RolandU> psychonate, a friend of mine has a 2 GB laptop
[08:09] <LokeDK> psychonate, yeah.. I can live with that
[08:09] <D1> hoary + laptop = <3
[08:10] <markrian> Hoary plus a laptop is less than or equal to 3....?
[08:10] <psychonate> well, I heard that kubuntu is supposedly less bloated than Ubuntu, but I can't say for sure
[08:10] <psychonate> I guess the #kubuntu people might know
[08:11] <D1> ehh
[08:11] <RolandU> well, how much would a basic linux system with kde need?
[08:11] <D1> I dont know about that.
[08:11] <Tomcat_> RolandU: Maybe a GB...
[08:11] <D1> kdelibs, qt
[08:11] <skalpel> how do i change my password?
[08:11] <D1> basic kde is ok
[08:11] <LokeDK> psychonate, isn't that one for VCD? thought it should be svcd
[08:11] <D1> but then all the apps that come along with it come in bundles and thats what bloats it.
[08:12] <Tomcat_> RolandU: The complete system fits on one CD, and I doubt it has more compression than 2.
[08:12] <persi1> Does anybody know how to get jackd to start with a user login, and polypaudio to use jack instead of alsa?
[08:12] <skalpel> how do i change my password?
[08:12] <psychonate> LokeDK, depends. SVCD is better quality, but it might not fit onto one disc. If you want to try SVCD anyway, just use that mencoder table to see what resolution and such to use.
[08:12] <[hxcl] > Does the ubuntu cd come with kernel source?
[08:12] <RolandU> Tomcat_, thats a good argument
[08:12] <LokeDK> psychonate, oh okay
[08:13] <littleworm> i can't play mp3 files, totem says i need decoders, how can i find it?
[08:14] <[hxcl] > Does the ubuntu cd come with kernel source?
[08:14] <t0mmy> hxcl, no need to repeat yourself
[08:14] <t0mmy> and i don't think so
[08:14] <txcangel> Heads Up! (sry if im too annoying :-)) i installed Ubuntu like 15 minutes ago and it didnt ask for an root psw during the installation and now i cant log in as root because obviously i dont know the psw
[08:14] <psychonate> txcangel, 'sudo su' and use your user password
[08:14] <abarbaccia> [hxcl] , you can install it - do an apt-cache search source | grep kernel
[08:14] <txcangel> thank
[08:15] <psychonate> txcangel, it's a safety precaution
[08:15] <txcangel> it worked.. thank you
[08:15] <psychonate> txcangel, you can also execute programs as root via 'sudo <command>' ...it will prompt for password
[08:15] <[hxcl] > Well, Im on windows now, and i have need it for another machine without a working wifi connection.. i need the souce for the wifi connection
[08:15] <Simonth> Isnt it more secure having a root password than to use the user password?..
[08:15] <skalpel> how do i change my password?
[08:16] <t0mmy> skalpel, type "passwd" at the command prompt
[08:16] <persi1> skalpel: `passwd`
[08:16] <anone> i'm trying to install q3demo, but when i run the installer, all i get is a black terminal flashing on the screen for half a second. priviliges are ok. any ideas?
[08:16] <skalpel> sudo passthank you
[08:16] <skalpel> er.
[08:16] <skalpel> yes, thank you
[08:16] <littleworm> i can't play mp3 files, totem says i need decoders, how can i find it?
[08:16] <LokeDK> psychonate, encoding video now.. goin' to take a couple of hours :(
[08:17] <psychonate> LokeDK, yeah, it definitely will. Encoding anything of decent size takes time.
[08:17] <t0mmy> littleworm, type "sudo apt-get install libmad0" at the command prompt
[08:17] <ronino> hi
[08:17] <Nevado> littleworm, sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[08:17] <t0mmy> that works too XD
[08:17] <ronino> where in /etc do i have to put a kernel module's name to automaticallly load it at boot?
[08:18] <LokeDK> psychonate, will be angry if it's encoded wrong after thoes hours
[08:18] <psychonate> anone, are you running it from the terminal?
[08:18] <persi1> ronino: in /etc/modules
[08:18] <psychonate> LokeDK, I've gone through that before heh
[08:18] <RolandU> ok thanks alot
[08:18] <LokeDK> psychonate, ah hehe.. it sucks
[08:18] <psychonate> anone, or are you clicking on it in a file manager?
[08:19] <littleworm> Nevado: thanks, it worked.
[08:19] <anone> psychonate: from xterm
[08:19] <Racer_D> hello
[08:19] <t0mmy> ah, helping in this channel helps for when i'm bored on a sunday afternoon
[08:19] <Racer_D> I'm new to ubuntu
[08:19] <t0mmy> hello
[08:19] <Racer_D> I donwloaded a ppc livecd
[08:19] <ronino> persi1: thx!
[08:20] <Racer_D> and all I get is a debian installer
[08:20] <t0mmy> o_O
[08:20] <Racer_D> and it says livecd on top
[08:20] <Racer_D> how do I get some desktop or sth :>
[08:20] <psychonate> anone, I had a problem with one of those ID installers whenever it prompted me for root (to install to /usr/local). Anyway, when I starte the installer already as root, it helped me.
[08:20] <psychonate> so you might want to sudo ./installer
[08:21] <mcvities> anyone know a possible way to join .wmv files?
[08:21] <resiak> Glue?
[08:21] <Nevado> lol
[08:21] <t0mmy> racer, i'm not entirely sure what the problem is
[08:22] <t0mmy> have you tried going through the installer?
[08:22] <t0mmy> did it ask you to partition or anything?
[08:22] <Racer_D> no, I'm afraid it would install something
[08:22] <Racer_D> :D
[08:22] <resiak> The livecd starts off with a bit of d-i
[08:22] <t0mmy> it won't
[08:22] <blueCommand> Isn't /etc/profile used in ubuntu?
[08:22] <yccheok> for d pthread_setschedparam, is it "higher number means higher priority"??
[08:22] <Racer_D> hm
[08:22] <blueCommand> I can't set my path variable through it as I'm used to
[08:22] <Racer_D> but I thought it was supposed to boot right into the desktop?
[08:22] <yccheok> for micro OS, the lower number means higher priority, wat about linux?
[08:23] <Racer_D> yccheok: also
[08:23] <Racer_D> atleast it does for nice
[08:23] <resiak> Racer_D: it does... Shouldn't be asking you any questions. You sure you got the livecd?
[08:23] <Racer_D> resiak: yea, it says livecd on top of screen
[08:23] <Racer_D> and at first prompt
[08:23] <Racer_D> I type in
[08:23] <resiak> Racer_D: Then you're okay...
[08:23] <Racer_D> live-power4
[08:23] <Racer_D> and it continues
[08:23] <resiak> And you keep
[08:23] <Racer_D> into installer as I'm used in debian
[08:23] <resiak> hitting enter
[08:23] <resiak> after every
[08:24] <Racer_D> asks for language & keyboard
[08:24] <resiak> two or three
[08:24] <resiak> words, and it's
[08:24] <resiak> really annoying.
[08:24] <yccheok> Racer_D: Oh, do you mean linux have a same thread behaviour as micro OS?
[08:24] <Racer_D> no
[08:24] <anone> psychonate: no effect. check it out http://emdia.fi/~jip/here.jpeg
[08:24] <Racer_D> it doesn't do that
[08:24] <resiak> Racer_D: So answer it... And see what happens?
[08:24] <resiak> No, I meant
[08:24] <resiak> you're doing that
[08:24] <resiak> in here.
[08:24] <Racer_D> oh that, sorry
[08:25] <Racer_D> hm
[08:25] <Racer_D> lemme see how for I can go before writting anything to hdd
[08:25] <resiak> *gone*
[08:25] <Racer_D> if I get to partitioning it's wrong, right? :>
[08:26] <psychonate> anone, ah, that does look sorta strange. Not sure what to tell you. Only thing I think of is try './<installer> --help' and see if you can get any useful options
[08:28] <t0mmy> hehe there's a #crack-attack on this server
[08:28] <bobbyd> is this still how you do IP MASQUERADE under ubuntu? http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO/NAT-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.1
[08:28] <anone> psychonate: ok. thanks. must be something wrong with the script
[08:28] <ronino> hey tobstar, you crazy checka!
[08:28] <psychonate> anone, looks like it maybe
[08:29] <psychonate> anone, you could check the ubuntu forums I guess
[08:29] <LinuxJones> bobbyd, you want to share an internet connection ?
[08:29] <bobbyd> LinuxJones, yes
[08:29] <tobstar> hello everyone
[08:30] <bobbyd> hi tobstar
[08:30] <LinuxJones> bobbyd, firestarter is a nice gui front end for iptables which will setup ics for you
[08:30] <bobbyd> LinuxJones, ok thanks
[08:30] <LinuxJones> bobbyd, GL
[08:30] <tobstar> when trying to start kwrite as root I get:cannot connect to X server. why?
[08:31] <anders__> thos some baddy user odc on Linux ore eney downloadings programs ??
[08:31] <Cin> okay, ubuntu has crashed 5 times in the past 2 days on my P4
[08:31] <Cin> what's all that about?
[08:31] <psychonate> anders__, 0.o what?
[08:32] <SinClaIrR> hi
[08:32] <anders__> odc is a downloadings program i like to here if it can run at Ubuntu
[08:33] <psychonate> never heard of odc
[08:33] <SinClaIrR> i have a problem with php and apache
[08:34] <anders__> k you can fine it at google.com by serch by odc
[08:35] <anders__> chek out this www.xboks.dk sight is one english
[08:36] <SinClaIrR> i want execute php scripts in apache but i have a problem and the php scripts not run and appear a dialog to save or open php script
[08:36] <xenoxaos> does anyone know if the 2Wire 802.11g pcmcia card works under linux. I have recently come into posession of one and was wondering if it works
[08:37] <SinClaIrR> sorry by my english but i'm spanish and my english is bad
[08:37] <dTk> hello. which package should i install under ubuntu if i want to view rar archives?
[08:38] <xenoxaos> dtk: do and apt-cache search rar
[08:38] <xenoxaos> i would believe it to be something like unrar
[08:38] <SinClaIrR> dTk, the unrar descompress .rar but i don't know if view rar archives
[08:38] <anders__> sinvlarr dont woy im a danish person as whel
[08:38] <anders__> whell
[08:39] <copernic> dTk: rar is in universe repository
[08:39] <dTk> cuz i cannot open it with file roller
[08:39] <copernic> dTk: you can apt-get it from there
[08:39] <xenoxaos> actually its apt-get install unrar
[08:39] <dTk> ok thx
[08:39] <SinClaIrR> Sorry but somebody help me?
[08:39] <LinuxJones> SinClaIrR, there is a Spanish speaking channel for ubuntu as well #ubuntu-es
[08:39] <SinClaIrR> LinuxJones, thank's
[08:40] <XIII> hi, want to know how to setup my pc to write in japanese language?
[08:40] <LinuxJones> SinClaIrR, once you have unrar installed file-roller should enable you to list and view the files inside.
[08:41] <MrGardenHoseMan> what's the command to stop x?
[08:41] <hybrid_goth> MrGardenHoseMan:  to shut it down?
[08:41] <xenoxaos> /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[08:41] <MrGardenHoseMan> or restart it
[08:41] <hybrid_goth> MrGardenHoseMan:  sudo shutdown now
[08:41] <xenoxaos> but make sure you're in a terminal..not x
[08:42] <xenoxaos> /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[08:42] <SinClaIrR> MrGardenHoseMan, ctrl + alt + backspace
[08:42] <dTk> thx, it works now
[08:42] <MrGardenHoseMan> thanks
[08:42] <XIII> anyone for help?
[08:42] <persi1> XIII: I recommend installing uim and anthy.  This worked best for me.  You will need to set your locale to something JP in order for it to work.
[08:42] <hybrid_goth> SinClaIrR:  ctr alt bckspc isnt suggest for it doesnt shut down everything properly
[08:42] <hybrid_goth> XIII: what ya need?
[08:42] <XIII> how could i install it persi1 ?
[08:43] <persi1> XIII: try `sudo aptitude install uim-gtk2.0 anthy`
[08:44] <XIII> persi1, then?
[08:45] <persi1> XIII: I also installed uim-applet-gnome, and configured the default locale in /etc/environment.  I think there was also a uim config option: let me check.
[08:45] <Di42lo> whats wrong with the apt-get servers today ? cant apt-get install/update all day
[08:45] <jake22> hello guys
[08:45] <Di42lo> servers are fucked up
[08:45] <XIII> persi1, ok
[08:46] <jake22> i have problem with sound card can you help me guys
[08:46] <NeoFax99> Anyone know how to get DIR_COLORS to work?
[08:46] <jcarr> what version of mysql is apt-gettable with ubuntu?
[08:46] <persi1> XIII: Ah, the detailed instructions will be in /usr/share/doc/uim-applet-gnome/README.Debian after everything is installed.
[08:46] <jake22> i have problem with sound card can you help me guys i got no sounds for ubuntu
[08:47] <persi1> jake22: What sound card?
[08:47] <XIII> persi1, it just write in katakana here
[08:48] <persi1> XIII: Do you have a Japanese keyboard?
[08:48] <XIII> yeah
[08:48] <jake22> wait ill verify
[08:48] <persi1> XIII: And the key in the upper left doesn't switch?
[08:48] <XIII> yeah
[08:49] <jake22> it's AC'97 Audio
[08:49] <persi1> XIII: Hmm..  I forget how to make that work.  Shift-Space works with the default config, although once it is configured for a Japanese keyboard, I recommend disabling this.
[08:49] <XIII> how persi1 ?
[08:50] <persi1> jake22: Does it show in lsmod?
[08:50] <Nevado> anyone know where the image is for gnome login splash?
[08:50] <persi1> XIII: My apologies, but I have forgotten, and can't seem to find the magic right now.
[08:50] <jake22> how do i do that lsmod persil
[08:50] <XIII> ok, thnx persi1
[08:51] <persi1> jake22: In a terminal window.  Type `lsmod` and press enter.
[08:51] <Nevado> nm found it
[08:51] <jake22> snd_ac97_codec         64608  1 snd_intel8x0
[08:51] <jake22> yeah its there
[08:52] <Cin> um... can someone tell me how to update my ubuntu kernel?
[08:52] <Cin> or check..
[08:53] <persi1> jake22: Last time I used intel8x0, I had no sound unless I removed all the OSS modules, and restarted alsa.  I'm not sure of the safest way to do this with ubuntu.  Anyone else?
[08:53] <skel__> sup
[08:53] <jake22> so whar are the steps
[08:57] <persi1> jake22: try running the following in a terminal, although I warn you that google or the ubuntu wiki may provide a simpler method: `sudo rmmod snd_pcm_oss; sudo rmmod snd_mixer_oss; sudo rmmod snd_seq_oss; sudo /etc/init.d/alsa restart`.
[08:57] <zeus> anyone has experiance with centrino driver?
[08:57] <Staz> hum I thought normally oss wouldn't be installed with ubuntu
[08:58] <jake22> ok and then persil ill restart
[08:58] <persi1> Staz: OSS modules aren't loaded, but the above command removes the ALSA OSS emulation layer.
[08:59] <persi1> jake22: Restarting might help, but if you restart, the commands I listed will no longer apply to your running configuration.
[08:59] <Staz> ok
[09:02] <oscar> 77777777777777777777777777///////////////0..00000000000000000000000000000000000000000,klkm.............\
[09:02] <LinuxJones> oscar, !!!
[09:03] <Thewrdnrd> Is there some sort of splashscreen that appears the first time GNOME is run under Ubuntu?
[09:03] <Thewrdnrd> Before the desktop jingle?
[09:04] <zeus> what can i do with an rpm driver, that when i convert it with alien does not install it but only copies the files somewhere ?
[09:04] <LinuxJones> Thewrdnrd, usually there is an Ubuntu spash screen
[09:04] <lee> is there a way to allow me to use the Windows key or Menu key as a modifier?  e.g. windows-1 to switch to workspace 1
[09:04] <Thewrdnrd> LinuxJones: Only the first time? Is there some way to get past it if I can't see the screen?
[09:05] <LinuxJones> Thewrdnrd, nope it runs every time
[09:05] <LinuxJones> Thewrdnrd, your jsut getting a black screen ?
[09:05] <Thewrdnrd> And this is before the audio startup jingle plays?
[09:05] <LinuxJones> Thewrdnrd, yes
[09:05] <persi1> zeus: Usually drivers match specific kernel versions.  Unless you have the RPM kernel installed, you'd do better to compile from source with module-assistant.
[09:05] <Thewrdnrd> LinuxJones: I don't know. I'm blind, and am trying to get the GNOME accessibility stuff working. Can't get to a GNOME desktop, though.
[09:06] <Thewrdnrd> I am on my laptop, but I'm not sure how I did it.
[09:06] <Thewrdnrd> .xsession-errors looks clean.
[09:06] <zeus> i see. ill check if there is a source. its a lexmark laser printer e232
[09:06] <LinuxJones> Thewrdnrd, argh
[09:06] <MartenH> what does dpkg stand for?
[09:06] <skel__> depackage
[09:06] <MartenH> ty
[09:07] <skalpel> what does this error message mean?
[09:07] <skalpel> Closing Link: 127.0.0.1 (Install identd)
[09:07] <Thewrdnrd> On my laptop I get the little drum solo, log in with GDM, then get the desktop jingle. On the desktop I get everything but the latter, and my .gnome2* directories look incomplete.
[09:07] <skalpel> is it likely my computer has been rooted?
[09:07] <xenoxaos> dpkg is the debian package management system
[09:08] <skel__> so it depackages :P
[09:08] <LinuxJones> Thewrdnrd, you need to install 2 packages to get assistive technologies up and running you need to install gok and gnopernicus
[09:08] <Thewrdnrd> LinuxJones: Already have.
[09:08] <LinuxJones> Thewrdnrd, first try installing ubuntu-desktop to make sure all the files you need are already installed
[09:09] <Thewrdnrd> Works nicely on my laptop; I just don't appear to be getting to a desktop on, well, the desktop. :P
[09:09] <Thewrdnrd> LinuxJones: Already have.
[09:09] <Thewrdnrd> Everything is installed and dist-upgraded.
[09:10] <Thewrdnrd> And ps auxw shows that ssh-agent and friends are starting, but doesn't show any GNOME processes running.
[09:10] <LinuxJones> Thewrdnrd, it's hard to diagnose the problem, what kind of video card do you have in that machine ?
[09:10] <Thewrdnrd> One sec, lemme refresh my memory.
[09:10] <jasoncohen> is there a totem plugin for firefox available in hoary or is that a feature to be added in gnome 2.12 (just saw some info on that in slashdot)
[09:11] <adilfularg> ne1 here
[09:11] <Thewrdnrd> Ah, NVidia GeForce2.
[09:11] <adilfularg> hullo
[09:11] <Thewrdnrd> Lemme look at the X logs.
[09:11] <adilfularg> can ne1 help me
[09:12] <adilfularg> hullo
[09:12] <persi1> jasoncohen: The totem plugin will be available in breezy in October.
[09:12] <psychonate|AFK> How can we know if we can help you if we don't know what the problem is?
[09:12] <shammy> I've been unsuccessfully trying to uninstall linux for the last week or so now.. i've tried fedora, ubuntu, and vidalinux and cannot get xserver configured on any of them.. Is there a distro that is likely to work, or something i can do to fix my ubuntu install that is currenly on my slave hd?
[09:13] <LinuxJones> Thewrdnrd, ok if you can do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg , accept all of the defaults except the video driver and select VESA as the video driver. (Note the driver that is currently selected)
[09:13] <adilfularg> need help installing ubuntu
[09:13] <Thewrdnrd> I don't see any video configuration errors/warnings in the log.
[09:13] <Nevado> shammy, what's the problem?
[09:13] <persi1> shammy: does the livecd work for you?
[09:13] <shammy> I haven't downloaded the live cd
[09:13] <jasoncohen> persi1, thanks for the info. do you know what features it has currently? how does it compare with mozilla-mplayer? i might build totem from breezy on my hoary box to see how the plugin runs
[09:13] <adilfularg> how do i keep my xp intact
[09:13] <shammy> persi1: i'll start the live cd torrent now
[09:13] <LinuxJones> Thewrdnrd, I had problems with the nv driver and had to use the vesa driver to quickly get up and running.
[09:14] <shammy> Nevado: the problem is whenever i reconfig xserver, it either doesn't work or doesn't even write the file
[09:14] <adilfularg> i have 2 cd
[09:14] <adilfularg> got frum website
[09:14] <zeus> persi1, i have these DL options: AIX, solaris, HP-UX, suse, red hat linux
[09:14] <zeus> which one should i get?
[09:15] <zeus> oh, btw, whats the command to find a file on the HD?
[09:15] <adilfularg> lost in here
[09:15] <adilfularg> locate zeus
[09:16] <persi1> zeus: Ummm...  That doesn't sound like source.  Try googling for your printer and linux to see if anyone else has configured it properly.  I don't print, so I'm not sure I can be much help.  Also, `locate` or `find` work well.
[09:16] <adilfularg> do i have to eras all data for installing ubuntu
[09:16] <t0mmy> imposter XD
[09:16] <zeus> :)
[09:16] <Thewrdnrd> LinuxJones: Vesa is the only selected driver.
[09:16] <Thewrdnrd> Is there some way to take a screenshot?
[09:16] <skalpel> hi, i installed a realplayer plugin for my firefox browser and it asked me to resatart firefox yet i have done this and it still does not work, can someone help me?
[09:17] <adilfularg> hullo
[09:17] <tommi^> Hi. I'm wondering why my OO.org 1.1 file dialog is still OO.org's not Gnome's eventhough I have installed openoffice.org-gtk-gnome package?
[09:18] <adilfularg> x)
[09:18] <shammy> If i download the live cd, and run it, supposing it works i could just copy its xorg.conf over to the installation, right
[09:18] <shammy> ?
[09:19] <adilfularg> ?
[09:20] <persi1> shammy: that should work.  Also, I've forgotten the details, but you can reset the xorg MD5sum for dpkg-reconfigure somehow.  My apologies I have not been able to find it.
[09:21] <skalpel> thewrdnrd: the print key takes a screenshot
[09:21] <NeKoRaMa> hu
[09:21] <eno> has anyone gotten java to work in firefox, or is it impossible?
[09:21] <NeKoRaMa> hi
[09:21] <skalpel> thewrdnrd: and i believe alt + print takes a shot of a specific app window.
[09:21] <NeKoRaMa> I have a pb, can someone help me ?
[09:21] <skalpel> hi, i installed a realplayer plugin for my firefox browser and it asked me to resatart firefox yet i have done this and it still does not work, can someone help me?
[09:21] <Thewrdnrd> skalpel: Thanks.
[09:22] <NeKoRaMa> when i try to configure an apz, the console tell me that i haven't any acceptable C compiler, what can i do ?
[09:23] <skalpel> anybody home
[09:24] <t0mmy> does anyone have a converter for MODSs->mp3s?
[09:24] <t0mmy> MODs*
[09:24] <NeKoRaMa> when i try to configure an apz, the console tell me that i haven't any acceptable C compiler, what can i do ?
[09:24] <t0mmy> it's actually a .it
[09:25] <toukka> NeKoRaMa, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[09:25] <jasoncohen> i'm trying to install the build-dependencies for totem but i just get "E: Build-dependencies for totem could not be satisfied.". is there any way to get more verbose output?
[09:26] <Rusty1> NeKoRaMa: what is an apz?
[09:26] <NeKoRaMa> application ^^
[09:27] <NeKoRaMa> when i install my ubuntu, there where no information about the su pswd ... so i don't know it ...
[09:28] <persi1> jasoncohen: in the source deb, look in the control file: it should list the build-depends.
[09:28] <skalpel> nekorama: it is the same as your user password
[09:28] <skalpel> you just cannot login as root.
[09:28] <skalpel> use sudo or a root terminal
[09:28] <skalpel> which is available from your gnome menu
[09:28] <NeKoRaMa> thx i will try
[09:28] <skalpel> k
[09:28] <NeKoRaMa> thx ^^
[09:29] <fr500> hello
[09:29] <jasoncohen> persi1, that's not the problem. i could just do an apt-cache showsrc totem
[09:29] <pavka> have someone in hoary instaled gtkboard? ive some problem
[09:29] <fr500> a question, is there a cd, like a netinstall cd that downloads all you need via apt?
[09:29] <NeKoRaMa> <= n4p :/
[09:29] <Rusty1> NeKoRaMa: get binutils as well
[09:29] <NeKoRaMa> binutils ?
[09:29] <jasoncohen> persi1, i didn't want to have to enter every dependency to find out which i can't satisfy- and with my luck it was the very last one
[09:29] <lee> is there a .deb package of thudnerbird 1.0.6 available anywhere?
[09:30] <jasoncohen> apparently libgnome-menu-dev requires libgnome-menu 2.10.1 and i have 2.10.2 from backports for smeg
[09:30] <jasoncohen> lee, backports staging has one
[09:30] <bobbyd> is there anything I need to do to let machines on my LAN query my nameserver? I have 	allow-query { localhost; 192.168.1.2;}; in the named.config.options file, but the nameserver doesn't respond
[09:30] <jasoncohen> lee, pitti from ubuntu-devel says that he has prepared one for hoary-security. it should be available shortly
[09:31] <fr500> bobbyd, maybe you have firewall on the lan interface?
[09:31] <kev0r> Anyone here know how i can fix automount on my USB?
[09:31] <kev0r> i've no Gnome or something installed
[09:31] <oggah> Why does the Windows GUI (95,98,NT,XP) feel more responsive, snappy than Linux window managers?
[09:31] <oggah> Is there any solution to this.
[09:31] <kev0r> just xfce4, added it to fstab, but not autodetecting it, have to manually mount
[09:31] <fr500> oggah, I feel the oposite
[09:31] <kev0r> me 2 oggah
[09:32] <NeKoRaMa> i can't install anything ... what is this fucking unacceptable C compiler ? ...
[09:32] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: get libgnome-menu-dev from backports :)
[09:32] <fr500> NeKoRaMa, you want to compile?
[09:32] <fr500> did you get build-essentials?
[09:32] <NeKoRaMa> i want to ./configure ...
[09:32] <persi1> jasoncohen: I understand.  You'll probably want to test this, but you might try : `sudo aptitude install `apt-cache showsrc totem | awk -F: ' { print $2 } | sed s/,//g``, but this wouldn't help the backports version issue.
[09:32] <NeKoRaMa> fr500,  what is built essentials ? ... i'm a noob :/
[09:32] <bobbyd> fr500, I'm running firestarter, but I ticked the "share internet connection" box
[09:32] <oggah> you feel the oppsite, thats strange..
[09:33] <fr500> NeKoRaMa, you should apt-get install build-essnetial first
[09:33] <skalpel> has anyone else had trouble with getting realplayer to work inside of firefox?
[09:33] <NeKoRaMa> ok i try
[09:33] <fr500> boobyd, try iptables --t filter -F
[09:33] <fr500> and try again
[09:33] <fr500> iptables -t filter -F
[09:33] <NeKoRaMa> fr500,  i do it, but ./configure don't works ...
[09:33] <jasoncohen> persi1, the problem was that i am using the official backports server but i had to install libgnome-menus 2.10.2 from the old backports server which i now have disabled so apt couldn't install the matching version of libgnome-menus-dev
[09:34] <jasoncohen> persi1, i enabled the old backports server and now it works fine
[09:34] <fr500> NeKoRaMa, you downloaded build-essentials that fast?
[09:34] <bobbyd> ahh
[09:34] <NeKoRaMa> fr500,  y
[09:34] <Mez> will you lot stop saying backports :P
[09:34] <Mez> lol
[09:34] <lee> jasoncohen: excellent, thanks
[09:34] <persi1> kev0r: try usbmount.  I've not tested it, but it appears to do the right thing.
[09:34] <fr500> NeKoRaMa, ??
[09:34] <bobbyd> fr500,   I think it's hosts.allow
[09:34] <NeKoRaMa> fr500,  ho no ... i don't see that it don't find it ...
[09:34] <kev0r> arg :)
[09:34] <persi1> jasoncohen: glad to hear it.
[09:35] <fr500> boobyd i set up a dns last week, didn't have that issue, but i didnt use firestarter
[09:35] <NeKoRaMa> w8 i'm downloading it ^^
[09:35] <kev0r> command not found, but when i'm doing it manual, i might as well make an alias to "mount /dev/sda1"
[09:35] <fr500> NeKoRaMa, sudo apt-get install build-essential (or build-essentials, i'm not sure)
[09:35] <NeKoRaMa> it's ok ;)
[09:35] <NeKoRaMa> it works
[09:35] <persi1> kev0r: `sudo aptitude install usbmount`
[09:35] <NeKoRaMa> thx for all ;)
[09:35] <kev0r> persi1: Or does it work auto as a deamon :)
[09:35] <fr500> no prob
[09:36] <persi1> kev0r: It's supposed to work with hotplug & udev.
[09:36] <kev0r> ok great
[09:36] <kev0r> but persi1 apt-get install usbmount-> usbmount package not found :/
[09:37] <persi1> kev0r: It's in the universe repository.
[09:37] <fr500> bobbyd, did you get it to work?
[09:37] <kev0r> persi1: lemme check i've i got them added, i thought so...
[09:38] <kev0r> persi1: check, hoary universe is present in /etc/apt/sources.lst
[09:39] <persi1> kev0r: I'm not sure then.  Try `aptitude search usb` for a list of apps, one of which ought to work.
[09:39] <kev0r> doing that right now, not finding anything i'm seeming to need :/
[09:40] <persi1> kev0r: How about usbmgr?  Is that in your repository?
[09:40] <kev0r> persi1: plz be so kind as to check "usbmgr - User-mode daemon
[09:40] <kev0r> LOL
[09:40] <kev0r> you're checking it i guess ;P
[09:40] <kev0r> lemme install, can't hurt :)
[09:41] <kev0r> arg, when i install, it will remove Hotplug, Ubuntu base AND udev
[09:41] <kev0r> so let's not :)
[09:41] <persi1> kev0r: I use gnome-volume-manager for that, and don't want to break it.  The description looks like it might help.
[09:41] <persi1> kev0r: Ah, no, that would be bad.
[09:41] <kev0r> gnome-volume manager?
[09:41] <kev0r> hmmlze
[09:41] <zeus> cant get a network printer to work. whats the syntax for the host and printer name on the add printer dialog?
[09:41] <fr500> what window manager is better xfce or fluxbox?
[09:42] <skalpel> has anyone else had trouble with getting plugins to work inside of firefox?
[09:42] <Subliminal> could i copy an installation of ubuntu, with packages and configurations to a laptop?
[09:42] <kev0r> trying that :)
[09:42] <synd> fr500: try both, see what you like. i prefer xfce.
[09:42] <persi1> kev0r: Warning: this requires and loads all sorts of GNOME libs, etc.
[09:42] <zeus> Subliminal, im working on a laptop right now:)
[09:42] <Natja> fr500, I prefer Xfce too.
[09:42] <fr500> synd, ok, which one is lighter?
[09:42] <kev0r> hmlz it only says it's going to install 3 packets
[09:42] <synd> fr500: fluxbox
[09:43] <fr500> synd, ok
[09:43] <skalpel> hi, i downloaded a bin file and made it executable using chmod but now when i try to execute it it sas the file is not there, and i am sure i am using correct spelling/case
[09:43] <skalpel> any ideas?
[09:43] <synd> fr500: xfce4, not xfce btw
[09:43] <fr500> oh they are different
[09:43] <kev0r> xfce4 works great, you should try it
[09:43] <Seveas> Subliminal, it would be better to perform a fresh install on the machine...
[09:43] <kev0r> i'm on it now :)
[09:44] <struggler> I keep getting 'Could not open the requested SVN filesystem' when trying to access subversion via apache2. Can anyone help?
[09:44] <synd> fr500: yeah xfce4 is much better.
[09:44] <Seveas> you can copy /home/$USER to copy all your personal setting
[09:44] <Seveas> s
[09:44] <Subliminal> Seveas: what about paclages?
[09:44] <struggler> skalpel: try ./filename, that will work if it is not in yourpath
[09:44] <Subliminal> Seveas: i assume they're stored locally, i'd rather not download them all again
[09:44] <bobbyd> what do I put in hosts.allow to allow connections from any machine in the  192.168.1.* range?
[09:44] <Seveas> Subliminal, on the old machine: dpkg --get-selections > spkg_selections
[09:45] <draucon> q time
[09:45] <Seveas> copy the dpkg_selections and all files in /var/cache/apt/archives to the other machine
[09:45] <kev0r> anyone else idea's to get automounting on an USB drive, without gnome
[09:45] <Seveas> and on the other machine: dpkg --set-selections < spkg_selections
[09:45] <skalpel> struggler: yes i am using that, it still says no such file or dir
[09:45] <Nevado> kev0r, there are projects called submount and supermount i think that would do that, may need patched kernel though
[09:45] <Subliminal> Seveas: kewl thanks
[09:46] <Seveas> kev0r, you need at least pmount pmount-hal and hal installed
[09:46] <Seveas> (and hal running)
[09:46] <vagamente> hi all... ne valknut user?
[09:46] <struggler> skalpel: what is the result of the command file <filename>
[09:46] <Seveas> vagamente, if you're looking for the package: it's called dcgui-qt in Ubuntu
[09:47] <vagamente> no.. i'm just looking for some help...
[09:47] <fr500> synd, enlightment wont like a low end pc right?
[09:48] <Belutz> hai
[09:49] <Belutz> is there anyone using tcsh instead of bash?
[09:50] <kev0r> arg Nevado not fond of those thingies :P
[09:50] <kev0r> but i'll try what Seveas said (pmount pmount-hal and hal)
[09:52] <fr500> how would i be able to install ubuntu on a pc without a cdrom?
[09:52] <abarbaccia> fr500, network install
[09:52] <abarbaccia> do you have a floppy drive?
[09:52] <fr500> yes
[09:53] <abarbaccia> google ubuntu network isntall - there'll be info on how to do it
[09:53] <fr500> ok
[09:53] <skalpel> has anyone else had trouble getting realplayer to work inside of firefox?
[09:53] <jasoncohen> persi1, i built totem and totem-xine and installed both. Besides the issue of totem-xine being built against gstreamer! (known issue in backports as well), firefox isn't using the totem plugin
[09:54] <persi1> jasoncohen: Are any listed in Firefox preferences...downloads...plug-ins?
[09:55] <jasoncohen> persi1, just SPL and SWF
[09:57] <persi1> jasoncohen: My apologies.  I don't know what other pieces are required.  If you're feeling *really* adventurous, you mighttry GARNOME or something.
[09:59] <skalpel> has anyone else had trouble getting realplayer to work inside of firefox?
[09:59] <jasoncohen> persi1, GARNOME?
[10:00] <persi1> jasoncohen: http://cipherfunk.org/garnome/ (note - this is neither ubuntu or recommended for those who like stability).
[10:02] <persi1> jasoncohen: The other choice is to install breezy in a chroot, but note that it is still very unfinished.
[10:03] <glick> hi
[10:03] <ohay> sorry if this a dumb question, but what's the default root password?
[10:03] <ohay> during the installation it didn't ask me for one
[10:03] <persi1> ohay: It's disabled by default
[10:04] <glick> hey has anyone played netpanzer?
[10:04] <glick> how is it
[10:04] <glick> ?
[10:04] <ohay> glick: really fun
[10:04] <mpmc> Is there something for gnome like Quanta Plus., (PHP supported + function reminder tips, syntax hightlighting)
[10:04] <nemik> sudo is driving me insane is there any way to install a nice minimal server install WITHOUT sudo?
[10:04] <persi1> nemik: sudo su -
[10:04] <ohay> glick: quick strategy
[10:04] <Madpilot> nemik: you could log in a root all the time - but this is NOT recommended...
[10:04] <nemik> persi1, thank you will i have to do that each time or only once?
[10:04] <kev0r> blah still no luck
[10:05] <Nevado> nemik, sudo su :)
[10:05] <ohay> persi1: what? how do I do stuff?
[10:05] <kev0r> have installed hal and pmount, but still no autodetecting on the USB disk
[10:05] <XIII> how could i set up a *.bin program?
[10:05] <persi1> nemik: every login, and it's also not recommended, but not as bad as setting a root password.
[10:05] <mpmc> anyone?
[10:05] <Nevado> XIII, "chmod a+x filename.bin"   then "./filename.bin"
[10:06] <persi1> ohay:sudo
[10:06] <XIII> thnx Nevado
[10:06] <Nevado> mpmc, screem maybe?
[10:06] <mpmc> screen?
[10:06] <indigo423> einen wunderschnen guten abend.
[10:06] <Nevado> http://www.screem.org/
[10:06] <nemik> i want to set a root password and login to root each and every time. i know it can be bad, but i know what i'm doing. you see, i run an SMS server with a phone. sudo keeps losing permissions to folders even chmodded to 777 after ~18 hours
[10:07] <ohay> persi1: but are all users aloowed to sudo then?
[10:07] <persi1> ohay: Permissions are controlled by /etc/sudoers.  By default, the install user has permission.
[10:07] <cavediver> Where do I change the gnome splash screen ?
[10:07] <cavediver> Have forgot that
[10:07] <Nevado> nemik, set root password with "sudo passwd"
[10:08] <Brunellus> I want to downgrade my kernel
[10:08] <Amaranth> cavediver: art.gnome.org has a tutorial
[10:08] <indigo423> ich habe mal eine frage bezglich linuxservern mit debian vs. ubuntu. hat da jemand erfahrung?
[10:08] <Nevado> cavediver, /usr/share/pixmaps/splash/ubuntu-splash.png iirc
[10:08] <nemik> thanks a lot nevado, i'll do that!
[10:08] <Brunellus> indigo423, #ubuntu-de?
[10:08] <indigo423> na ja es geht ja auch um debian ;)
[10:09] <ohay> persi1: another thing, I already had a /home partition which I chose during instalation, but now it says I don't have permission to acess the files on the folder with the same user name
[10:09] <Madeye> guys how to search in my downloaded .deb cache? apt-get cache?
[10:09] <lakin> cavediver, there is a gconf-key setting that you can use to change the splash as well.
[10:10] <kev0r> <-- starts to cry :)
[10:10] <kev0r> Seveas: any more clues?
[10:11] <persi1> Madeye: ls /var/cache/apt/archives
[10:11] <ohay> persi1: do u have any idea why? does it mount the /home partition as read-only by default?
[10:12] <Brunellus> I want to run the warty kernel;  when I apt-remove the hoary one, it will also remove linux-386
[10:12] <Brunellus> is this OK?
[10:12] <Brunellus> what do I have to do to remove the hoary kernel and go back to warty?
[10:12] <persi1> kev0r: You might try http://usbmount.alioth.debian.org/ - it might need some tweaking.
[10:12] <grey-area> 'lo
[10:12] <Brunellus> anybody?  I'd like to downgrade my kernel from the hoary one (2.6.10) to the warty one (2.6.8)
[10:13] <Brunellus> do I simply remove the 2.6.10 kernel and accept the dependencies?
[10:13] <kev0r> persi1: i've installed autofs, its basicly kernelintegrated automounting
[10:13] <Brunellus> or is there something else?
[10:13] <kev0r> it is tweaked by a command called 'automount'
[10:13] <kev0r> now only to find out how to call the right functions
[10:13] <skalpel> how can i make totem play realplayer files?
[10:13] <persi1> ohay: permissions are encoded with user number, not user name.  This caused me the problem before.  Try sudo chown username thing-to-which-you-want-permission.  Note that this is only a useful strategy for old drives - don't do this for /dev or anything.
[10:14] <hou5ton> Is this a bug or something wrong on my end ... when I have both the etho0and etho1 activated (wired and wireless), I get an error: failure in name resolution and although it shows that I am online,... nothing opens
[10:14] <grey-area> i've installed libjpeg6.2  through apt-get, but compiler for app that needs it,  doesn't find it. what's wrong?
[10:14] <patrickj> ello
[10:14] <Jemt> Hi. I have just removed the old OpenOffice and installed OpenOffice2. How do I make documents open with Open Office Writer, Spreadsheet etc ?
[10:14] <persi1> kev0r: you can script stuff with hotplug.  Some documentation is available from /usr/share/doc/hotplug/README.gz
[10:15] <Brunellus> nobody know anything about downgrading a kernel?
[10:15] <kev0r> hmm ok, gonna try this first, then i'm going ur way :)
[10:15] <ohay> persi1: u see, I've got Fedora on another partition and also use this /home partition as it's home, will this mess things up?
[10:15] <kev0r> or u can tell me it's surely not gonna work this way :)
[10:15] <file> im having some trouble with my internet on ubuntu, my download speed is seemingly capped
[10:15] <skalpel> if i was downlaoding and installing realplayer what dir would i put it in? the installer wants to put it in /root
[10:15] <patrickj> Im in ubuntu with openbox and gnome-panel, and I was wondering, how can I change the default icon size, from say 32x32 to 24x24
[10:15] <patrickj> ?
[10:16] <file> i should have a maximum of about 200 kb/s downstream but it seems not to go higher than 46kb/s
[10:16] <persi1> kev0r: Best of luck!
[10:16] <arathald> every time I try to configure, I get this mssg or similar: configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH
[10:16] <flugh> anyone else have thunderbird refusing to open messages in a window?i can see the preview, but trying to open the message hangs the app
[10:16] <persi1> ohay: if you want to be able to access the files from both systems, make sure the user numbers are the same in both /etc/passwd files.  Note that changing this will mess up all the permissions on whichever system you change.
[10:16] <patrickj> also, im trying to install mozilla-acroread, and it said it does not have the required dpendancys, how can I acquire these?
[10:17] <skalpel> where should i install realplayer?
[10:17] <skalpel> what dir
[10:17] <skalpel> any suggestions?
[10:18] <flugh> ohay, if that worries you (mucking up uids and all), you may be able to fake it with samba. create a share in samba using that partition/directory/whatever, then use the user mapping in samba. kludge, but doable
[10:19] <patrickj> n/m fixed dependancy problem, but what about icons?
[10:19] <ohay> why are the user numbers diferent for users with the same characeristics? does it use like a md5sum or something related with the kernel/system it's running?
[10:19] <skalpel> can someone tell me why i am getting this error after downloaded a bin file and using chmod to make it executable?
[10:19] <skalpel> ./RealPlayer10GOLD: No such file or directory
[10:19] <deprave> ack
[10:19] <deprave> realplayer
[10:19] <samu> maybe need to add .bin to the end?
[10:19] <persi1> ohay: the UID is created at install time.  Sometimes different distributions use different default numbers.  Also, usually the users are sequential from the first added, so multiple user machines are more likely to be different.
[10:20] <skalpel> samu: bash: ./RealPlayer10GOLD.bin: No such file or directory
[10:20] <patrickj> ! HOWTO eterm
[10:20] <ubotu> No idea, patrickj
[10:20] <patrickj> poopers
[10:20] <file> i should have a maximum of about 200 kb/s downstream but it seems not to go higher than 46kb/s
[10:20] <file> any ideas?
[10:20] <persi1> ohay: flugh's suggestion is probably safer, and less likely to be confusing.
[10:20] <samu> skalpel, did you manage to use tab to autocomplete the file name?
[10:21] <skalpel> samu: no i did not, i dont even know what you mean
[10:21] <kent> skalpel you are sure you got the name right?  Try "file ./RealPlayer.." (press tab to get the hole name).  Maybe its not a bin, perhaps its an archive?
[10:21] <Jemt> I have just removed the old OpenOffice and installed OpenOffice2. How do I make documents open with Open Office Writer, Spreadsheet etc ?
[10:21] <skalpel> file browser says it is an executable
[10:21] <skalpel> kent: i do not know how to use tab to autocomplete
[10:22] <ohay> flugh: will this enable me to use the desired folder as the user's home or only access the contents?
[10:22] <kent> skalpel autocomplete is easy. When you are in a terminal, just enter the beginning of the name, and then press tab. that should bring the whole name..  :)
[10:22] <nickrud>   l
[10:22] <skalpel> kent: lovely. i get a beep when i try to use that
[10:23] <flugh> ohay, i came in after you started, sorry. but, what you can do is have an smbmount where samba will make ubuntu:fred map to fedora:joe transparently
[10:23] <kent> skalpel then either, there are more files with that beginning of name, or there is no file at all with that name in that folder.  (I think.)
[10:23] <skalpel> kent: well, the file is alive and well on my desktop, so i know it is there
[10:24] <flugh> ohay: or, you can edit fedora:/etc/password change uid of fedora:joe to <somenumber>, then go to /home and do 'chown <somenumber.somenumber> joe' just make sure somenumber is the uid of ubuntu:joe
[10:24] <flugh> sorry, i'm all caffeined up. i dont make sense to myself either
[10:24] <kent> And from the terminal, you have changed to the directory with the file? If you downloaded it to the desktop, then the file is in /home/you-user/Desktop/
[10:24] <persi1> ohay:if you chown /home/joe, yuo probably want to use chown -R, to get all the subdirectories.
[10:25] <flugh> persi1, ahh, thanks. you're spot-on.
[10:25] <kent> skalpel sorry, forgot to put your name on the last message :(
[10:25] <vader1102> I have smb and smbfs inistalled but want to join a workgroup can anyone help please?
[10:26] <D1> does anyone know how to get Synaptic to remove uneeded dependencies?
[10:26] <flugh[away] > gotta work a bit
[10:26] <samu> skalpel, did you change to the desktop directory in the terminal?
[10:26] <D1> like when I install program X and it brings in A, B, and C. and then I remove X how do I remove the other programs?
[10:27] <mjr> D1, you don't really; you can try to identify them with deborphan, which will catch a part of them
[10:27] <ohay> can I change the uid from ubuntu instead? (maybe it would save some work, or am I wrong?) u see, I already had Fedora installed and have just installed ubuntu
[10:27] <Brunellus> how do I edit grub to boot one kernel by default instead of another?
[10:27] <D1> hmmm
[10:27] <mjr> D1, otherwise you can use debfoster, to which you can manually say what packages you've purposefully installed, and it'll act accordingly
[10:27] <mjr> but I don't think synaptic supports this
[10:27] <grey-area> i've installed libjpeg6.2  through apt-get, but compiler for app that needs it,  doesn't find it. what's wrong?
[10:27] <Seveas> Brunellus, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:27] <pestilence> does anybody know how i could figure out what fonts are missing when i display a webpage that has flash in it in firefox, but some of the fonts are missing?
[10:28] <theine> Hi, which package does /usr/bin/gnome-video-thumbnailer belong to?
[10:28] <persi1> ohay: My apologies, but I think I just understood your issue.  Fedora is working fine, and you just installed ubuntu, right?  If this is the case, and you change the ubuntu /etc/passwd UID before the /home stuff for your new user gets too comfortable, you should have your old environment.  Note that this is not really recommended, as the two distributions probably have differing configurations: it would be better to keep the home dir
[10:28] <pestilence> theine: http://packages.ubuntu.com
[10:28] <Seveas> theine, dpkg -s /usr/bin/gnome-video-thumbnailer
[10:28] <theine> Seveas, please try for yourself...
[10:29] <Seveas> -S not -s
[10:29] <Seveas> argh
[10:29] <theine> Seveas, either way
[10:29] <Seveas> and it's a symlink too :)
[10:29] <Seveas> dennis@mirage ~/foo $ dpkg -S `readlink -f /usr/bin/gnome-video-thumbnailer`
[10:29] <Seveas> totem-xine: /usr/bin/totem-video-thumbnailer
[10:29] <Seveas> that way it works :)
[10:29] <Brunellus> Seveas:  can I just comment out the lines that I don't want grub to use?
[10:29] <theine> Seveas, ah, thanks a lot
[10:30] <fishie> i have installed firestarter and have gotten 20 traceroute logs from coming from my isp, or someone with an ip in that class. is this something to worry about or no?
[10:30] <skalpel> samu: yes, i did change to my desktop dir, i get the same error
[10:30] <skalpel> samu: even though ls says it is right there
[10:30] <mpmc> my friend cant access my apache server,  I have no firewall/router.
[10:30] <mpmc> ??
[10:30] <Seveas> Brunellus, better simply edit the line that says: default:   0
[10:30] <satch> hi all - when I try to run debootstrap it exits after saying it can't download base-passwd - anyone know what can be done about that ?
[10:31] <ohay> persi1: I see what u mean, about messing up configurations and stuff. Is there a way to copy one user's permissions and all and only change the user name, so the system creates a new home folder?
[10:31] <Brunellus> Seveas:  if default: 0 is the kernel that I don't want
[10:31] <dArtagnan> I have a problem with mplayer, I can perfectly play the dvd, but no sound
[10:31] <mpmc> How do I open a port on the system to allow access?
[10:31] <Brunellus> so I edit it to default:  2
[10:31] <Brunellus> if the kernel I want is the third item in the list?
[10:32] <ohay> persi1: but the new user should have exactly the same characteristics as the one I created during installation
[10:32] <Seveas> Brunellus, correct
[10:32] <Brunellus> excellent.  thank you very much
[10:32] <persi1> ohay: Yes!  If you create a new user in ubuntu with a different name, and before you log in, edit /etc/passwd to match the UID of your fedora user (same number, different names), you should be able to access both directories from both distributions, and each will have separate configurations.
[10:34] <persi1> ohay: You may have to edit /etc/group to make sure that the new user belongs to all the same groups as the originally created user.  You will also want to make sure there is an entry for the user in /etc/sudoers.  I don't know of any other special things about the first created user.
[10:35] <skalpel> can someone help me with this error message?
[10:35] <skalpel> The file /opt/realplayer/rp8_linux20_libc6_i386_cs2_rpm does not exist, or it is corrupt. You may have downloaded the wrong file, or put it in the wrong location. Please try again.
[10:35] <ohay> persi1: what I mean is: is there a parameter/command that copies one user's characteristics and stuf while it's creating another?
[10:36] <pestilence> does anybody else have flashplayerlinux + firefox installed?  could you try going to http://macromedia.com and see if you can see the menus at the top of the screen (or are they blank, missing fonts)
[10:36] <patrickj> back lol
[10:37] <Tomcat_> pestilence: Works for me.
[10:37] <patrickj> anyways, how can I change the size of all my icons?
[10:37] <persi1> ohay: I don't know of any.   Sorry.
[10:37] <pestilence> Tomcat_: 2 questions, how did you install flash, and did you install any extra fonts?
[10:37] <ohay> persi1: or maybe some way to only change the current user's user_name, so it uses/creates another folder
[10:37] <mpmc> How do O allow people to access my apache??
[10:38] <persi1> ohay: Do you already have an ubuntu user folder?
[10:38] <loorni> when i use this sudo thing it asks password what is the password?
[10:38] <patrickj> ?
[10:38] <persi1> loorni: your login password.
[10:38] <pestilence> skalpel: just install the .bin file from real.com
[10:38] <patrickj> who in here is using Openbox and gnome-panel?
[10:38] <loorni> persi1, it says login incorrect
[10:38] <Tomcat_> pestilence: I got the flashplayer-plugin for mozilla package installed, that was all... as for additional fonts: Only the msttcorefonts package.
[10:39] <pestilence> hrmm.  maybe i should try that one
[10:39] <Tomcat_> pestilence: Did you install the flash plugin manually? :o
[10:39] <ohay> persi1: no, because it can't create the folder with the user name, since there is already one with the same name and unacessible
[10:39] <mpmc> will anyone help me :(
[10:39] <pestilence> Tomcat_: no, i don't think so.  i'm not really sure as this home directory has followed me around
[10:39] <persi1> ohay: OK.  So which properties of the ubuntu user are you trying to migrate?  Does it have any yet?
[10:40] <ohay> persi1: only the user rights and stuff like that
[10:41] <ohay> persi1: just beacuse I'm lazy to look for groups and permissions and apply them one by one to the new user
[10:41] <Tomcat_> pestilence: Try uninstall it then until Firefox can't play Flash anymore and doesn't have any flash plugins in about:plugins... then install the package. But if your fonts are broken in Flash it sounds like it's something worse than the plugin itself.
[10:41] <patrickj> who in here is using gnome and metacity?
[10:41] <pestilence> Tomcat_: the msttcorefonts fixed it!
[10:41] <fr500> hello
[10:41] <lakin> So if I have a problem with package from universe, do I report the bug back in debian's buglist, or is there another path for me to take?
[10:41] <pestilence> excellent.
[10:41] <Tomcat_> patrickj: I *think* I am.
[10:41] <Tomcat_> pestilence: Certainly interesting...
[10:41] <patrickj> Tomcat_: did you change the Window Manager since u install ubuntu/
[10:41] <Tomcat_> patrickj: Isn't Metacity the default for Gnome?
[10:41] <persi1> ohay: OK.  The user rights are encoded by name in /etc/group and /etc/sudoers (and maybe somewhere else - I don't know).  If you change the name, you need to change the name in these files, as well as /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow.  Remember to set the UID in /etc/passwd to match the UID of your Fedora user.
[10:41] <skalpel> pestilence: i just did
[10:42] <Tomcat_> patrickj: No, never.
[10:42] <tucoz> Any emacs users around? I find the default font really ugly in ubuntu. How do you change this?
[10:42] <patrickj> Tomcat_: yes but im using openbox, but i wanted metacity and natuilus back
[10:42] <pestilence> Tomcat_: so the *real* reason i wanted to fix this is because any "Gameday" features off of mlb.com would show up blank.  very aggravating when you are trying to follow games :)
[10:42] <fr500> what linux would you recommend for a 486dx?
[10:42] <pestilence> skalpel: so forget the ubuntu package.
[10:42] <patrickj> I can get metacity back, but I cant seem to get nautilus to work anymore :/
[10:42] <puff> Afternoon.  My thinkpad seems to have lost track of its wireless somewhere in the process of coming out of hibernation.
[10:42] <synd> fr500: ubuntu server install
[10:42] <Tomcat_> patrickj: Uninstall openbox, try to find the metacity package then reinstall it?
[10:43] <fr500> synd, 16mb ram?
[10:43] <Tomcat_> pestilence: Indeed... :)
[10:43] <synd> fr500: dont know why you would bother with a 486 anyways
[10:43] <skalpel> pestilence: well i set firefox to use an external player, totem, how can i set it back to use the realplayer plugin?
[10:43] <puff> tucoz: I'm an emacs user, I just tart emacs with a -fot option.
[10:43] <puff> Er, -font..
[10:43] <kev0r> ARG, anyone exp with tweaking hotplug to automount a USBstick?
[10:43] <persi1> skalpel: firefox preferences...downloads
[10:43] <tucoz> puff: ok, So what font do you start with?
[10:43] <puff> Standard xwindows font argument,  though in my case I kept it courier, just enlarged the font size.
[10:43] <ohay> persi1: and do u remember how to change the user_name? (command line style, since I can't login graphically)
[10:43] <fr500> synd, it's a laptop access point :D i'm reusing trash hardware to build a MAN with my friends
[10:44] <skalpel> pers1: ok
[10:44] <loorni> what if i cant remember my password?
[10:44] <puff> One sec, rebooting that machine now to see if that fixes the wireless (rebooting to fix  a problem, sheesh, feels like I'm on windows :-).
[10:44] <kev0r> persi1: didn't work with autofs
[10:44] <persi1> ohay: sudo vi /etc/passwd; sudo vi /etc/shadow; sudo vi /etc/group; sudo vi /etc/sudoers
[10:44] <pestilence> loorni: you can boot into recovery mode and change it
[10:44] <persi1> kev0r: At least you're developing a nice catalog of things that *don't* work.
[10:44] <skalpel> pers1: i do not see any plugins for the file type realplayer uses
[10:45] <skalpel> not that i recognize anyway
[10:45] <nightswim> vipw
[10:45] <kev0r> haha, BIG catalog :)
[10:45] <patrickj> Tomcat_:  I know how to get metacity back on, its not a problem but I cant seem to get the nautilus desktop to restore :/
[10:45] <ohay> persi1: no chuser -parameter or something ?
[10:45] <persi1> kev0r: The only things I can think of that you haven't listed are usbmount and hotplug scripts, neither of which seem to be available easily.
[10:45] <lakin> nm, I found the appropriate pages
[10:45] <puff> Damn, well, rebooting fixed it.
[10:45] <tucoz> puff, ok. I try some more.
[10:46] <Tomcat_> patrickj: Did you try 1) to reinstall the Nautilus packages and 2) to reinstall the ubuntu-desktop package?
[10:46] <persi1> ohay: I don't know of anything like that, sorry.
[10:46] <puff> So I start my emacs with:  emacs -font -*-courier-*-r-*-*-20-140-*-*-*-*-*-* &
[10:46] <puff> emacs -font -*-courier-*-r-*-*-20-140-*-*-*-*-*-* &
[10:46] <ohay> persi1: ok then, sorry for bugging u
[10:46] <puff> You can select a font using xfontsel
[10:46] <persi1> skalpel: how about something in the File Types section?
[10:46] <pestilence> skalpel: did you have to install a totem plugin for firefox?
[10:47] <tucoz> puff, Ok, thanks. I have pasted a font I like in .emacs.
[10:47] <puff> it's basically a font-browser, lets you tweak the different bits of the font parameter and see what it looks like.
[10:48] <patrickj> Tomcat_: how would I go about that?
[10:48] <tucoz> puff, yes, I tried that just now. I'll fiddle around some more. Thanks for the help.
[10:48] <puff> So my wireless issue is fixed, but if anybody has ideas about what happened, and a lest drastic fix than rebooting, I'd love to hear about it.
[10:50] <concept10> Amaranth, are you here?
[10:51] <persi1> Is anyone familiar with jackd?
[10:51] <ohay> persi1: just one more thing, I think that maybe the system configured itself with a strange charset, because many characters in the manpages are screwed, do u know how to change/view the default charset configuration?
[10:51] <Kesh> hi all
[10:51] <Kesh> I have a question
[10:51] <kev0r> persi1: any id on how to script the hotplug to automount usb, that readme you showed me isn't really helpfull
[10:52] <Teja> hi everyone
[10:52] <ohay> persi1: I think that the manpages use UTF-8, which is kinda the default for documentation, right?
[10:52] <puff> Hi.
[10:52] <loorni> pestilence, and how do i boot into recovery mode and change my password?
[10:53] <persi1> ohay: My apologies, but I don't remember.  Maybe dpkg-reconfigure locales?
[10:53] <Kesh> I would like to chat just a minute with somebody that had tried linux and xp
[10:53] <Teja> hi, can i get help with the /etc/hosts.conf file?
[10:53] <Teja> I messed it up
[10:53] <Teja> and can't do much in GNOME now
[10:53] <Burgundavia> Teja, help is in #ubuntu
[10:53] <Tomcat_> Kesh: Just ask in here. :)
[10:53] <Burgundavia> Teja, I apologize, I thought I was in #ubntu-devel
[10:53] <Teja> ah :P
[10:53] <persi1> kev0r: No: I was never able to figure out hotplug scripts.  I didn't have much luck with google either: perhaps you'll have more?
[10:53] <hou5ton> Is this a bug or something wrong on my end ... when I have both the etho0and etho1 activated (wired and wireless), I get an error: failure in name resolution and although it shows that I am online,... nothing opens
[10:54] <Kesh> ok, my computer came with XP....  is it worth to try ubuntu ??   what advantages should I expect ?
[10:54] <ohay> persi1: oh, and another thing, I looked into my sudoers file and it does not contain my current user, even though I can sudo with it, how is that possible?
[10:54] <hou5ton> Kesh:  It's more of a philosophical thing
[10:54] <Tomcat_> hou5ton: Check "route" and "less /etc/resolv.conf" for your router and DNS servers.
[10:55] <persi1> ohay: Yes, it's probably UTF-8.  Also, I probably misremembered how sudo works: try man sudo.
[10:55] <kev0r> haha like i'm gonna have luck :/
[10:55] <Kesh> does that mean that there are no real advantagess
[10:55] <Tomcat_> hou5ton: Sounds to me like your DNS server (resolv.conf) is not reachable.
[10:55] <Tomcat_> Kesh: It really depends on what you want and need.
[10:55] <hou5ton> Kesh:  sure ... there are some
[10:55] <Kesh> I need a fast computer...as everybody
[10:55] <Tomcat_> Kesh: Ubuntu gives you a whole lot of absolutely free software in both meanings...
[10:56] <Tomcat_> Kesh: It gives you the freedom to change anything in your system, whatever you want...
[10:56] <glick> does ubuntu maintain their own kernel or do they use the debian one?
[10:56] <persi1> kev0r: Well, the coin can only come up tails so many times...
[10:56] <Tomcat_> Kesh: If you want your laptop to send an email every time you get into your home wireless lan, it's easily possible... that'd be a hell of a task in Windows.
[10:56] <Teja> where can i find the default hosts.conf file?
[10:56] <Kesh> god...thanks god it is free...with that kind of speech you couldnt sell a single copy
[10:56] <Teja> or one that works
[10:56] <Teja> mine i s corrupt
[10:56] <Seveas> glick, ubuntu uses debian kernels as base, but with a lot of Ubuntu specific patches
[10:57] <ttyS0> does anybody know any good CD-R/RW burner with GTK interface? :)
[10:57] <Tomcat_> glick: I *think* they have their own kernel... as there's binary drivers in there.
[10:57] <Tomcat_> ttyS0: I like the Nautilus burner... not enough for you? :D
[10:57] <glick> no one uses vanilla kernels right?
[10:57] <ttyS0> Tomcat_, doesn't work for me
[10:57] <Seveas> Teja, hosts.conf for which application?
[10:57] <loorni> When i try that sudo nano what ever it says "Login incorrect" where is the problem?
[10:57] <Teja> seveas, /etc/hosts.conf
[10:58] <Tomcat_> Kesh: That's because I don't want to sell anything. I don't persuade people into getting Linux, I wait for them to come. :o
[10:58] <Seveas> ttyS0, gnomebaker & graveman
[10:58] <Thewarmachine> gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2)::::is this ok?
[10:58] <Kesh> looks to me like a lot of troubles for nothing... I really want to try it, but cant find what are the advantages...except for the free thing
[10:58] <Teja>  /etc/hosts
[10:58] <Seveas> Teja, ah
[10:58] <hou5ton> Tomcat_:  shouldn't Ubuntu work with both eth0 and eth1 activated in System/Administration/Networking?
[10:58] <Tomcat_> Kesh: If you like to play around with your computer, that's an advantage as well... apart from that I can't really find any. I'm using it for the freedom and the tinkering. :)
[10:58] <Tomcat_> hou5ton: If you have a bad configuration, it will show it as working but in reality won't work.
[10:59] <Seveas> Teja, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/849
[10:59] <hou5ton> ok
[10:59] <hou5ton> thanks
[10:59] <Seveas> change 'mirage' to your hostname
[10:59] <ttyS0> Seveas, thx
[10:59] <Thewarmachine> gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2) is this ok or did I screw something up??
[10:59] <glick> i have a question how can you use gdb on an application that was  built for another application?
[10:59] <glick> i mean for another platform
[10:59] <Teja> thanks seveas, will try
[10:59] <persi1> Kesh: It's not well described.  Try the livecd, and if you like it, consider installing.  If you don't like it, stick with XP.
[10:59] <Kesh> ok, thx anyways.... I just wanted to know....Im a systems engineer, but I prefer to use the time in creating stuff using tools already available...
[10:59] <Tomcat_> hou5ton: For example, if my DHCP server would be configured to serve 10.0.0.100 (doesn't exist) as DNS server, the config would be okay... but the DNS wouldn't be found.
[10:59] <Seveas> Teja, and remove the 172.* lines :)
[10:59] <tjm> hey guys, need some help setting up a PCI modem under ubuntu 5.04. The device manager sees a HaM controllerless modem just fine, but when I try autodetecting a modem in network setup, nothing is found.
[10:59] <tjm> any ideas?
[11:00] <Seveas> tjm, that's a winmodem, you need to google and do a lot of things to get that working...
[11:00] <Tomcat_> Kesh: persi1 brought up a good point... try the LiveCD. It shows what you will get, without any risk and without using much time.
[11:01] <Kesh> yeah, I already scheduled the download for tonite, but I wanted somebody to tell me the good things in a brief comment
[11:01] <tjm> god damnit :|
[11:01] <hou5ton> Tomcat_:  it appears that the wireless is set up the same way as the wired ... DHCP ... not sure what else to look for
[11:02] <Tomcat_> Kesh: To be honest, there are few things that work better than in Windows, and lots that work worse... so I guess from your standpoint there are few advantages. If you like the freedom though, it's great.
[11:02] <persi1> Kesh: Do you use the POSIX layer for XP, or cygwin?  If so, you get all that without the annoying separation between the environments.  If not, perhaps just that software installation and management are easier.
[11:02] <Kesh> ok, thx a lot and good luck !!!
[11:02] <Tomcat_> Kesh: For the few things that work better: I got Ubuntu on my laptop and main PC, and the machine sharing is just awesome...
[11:03] <Tomcat_> Kesh: I can use applications on my main machine if the laptop is not fast enough, I can quickly access all my data, anywhere... total freedom to use whatever machine you want for anything. That's fantastic.
[11:03] <Tomcat_> Although that's certainly available on Windows XP too, if you invest some money. :o
[11:03] <Teja> how do i find my host name?
[11:04] <concept10> Kesh, advantages:  Freedom (you stated), but for me speed and stability over windows, package management, great community, the ability to install customize and GAWK at all the code you want to.
[11:04] <Teja> noob :P
[11:04] <Kesh> well.... I have a wireless network at home....using xp and windows 2000 in a laptop....everything works fine
[11:04] <Teja> here
[11:04] <ttyS0> is it possible to restart HALD? If yes then how?
[11:04] <Tomcat_> Teja: cat /etc/hostname
[11:04] <plopp> Teja, hostname
[11:04] <LokeDK> psychonate, you there?
[11:04] <Tomcat_> Oh... or "hostname", thanks plopp.
[11:04] <Kesh> well....for the amount of applications I have installed, probably not worth to try to start all over under linux....
[11:05] <Teja> thanks
[11:05] <Teja> plopp and tomcat_
[11:05] <concept10> Kesh, you dont have to start all over, plus, with APT you can install all of those apps in one command
[11:06] <Tomcat_> Kesh: Nobody says you should switch in one day... try the LiveCD, if you like it, install it and dual boot for a while...
[11:06] <file> i switched in one day...
[11:06] <eno> msg nickserv identify gr33n
[11:06] <Kesh> well...thx I will try the livecd... and will comeback to let you know...
[11:06] <fr500> Kesh, i have a wireless WAN, 20 ppl connected, al linux machines through wireless usb dongles+cable extensios and ubuntu, my same pc is router, AP, dns server, mail server and provedes gateway for internet.
[11:06] <fr500> Kesh, flexibility is the key
[11:06] <Tomcat_> file: Depends on how you define that switch... I've known Linux quite well for over a year before I switched, so I won't only count the one day it took to transform. :)
[11:06] <Kesh> sounds good
[11:07] <Tomcat_> eno: You should change your password quickly. :)
[11:07] <file> yeah yeah, one day...
[11:07] <Kesh> is it stable??
[11:07] <concept10> I switched over a period of about 6 months.  I used to dual boot alot but now I dont
[11:08] <fr500> Kesh, Ubuntu, yes it is, it doesnt like mixing repositories and some other stuff, but for the rest it's fine
[11:08] <Tomcat_> Kesh: Absolutely stable.
[11:08] <kev0r> persi1: i've some progress
[11:08] <Kesh> well, to tell the truth,  win xp has been veryu stable....and win2000 has been excellent... sorry if I dissapoint some anti bgates folks
[11:09] <Tomcat_> concept10: I would never be able to go through with such a method... I'd always miss Windows then. :)
[11:09] <concept10> Kesh, stable as a hardwood floor
[11:09] <kev0r> ive written some configs in autofs (automount)
[11:09] <fr500> Kesh, this pc has XP, the major issue is Internet Explorer
[11:09] <persi1> Kesh: In all honesty, it's stable as long as you aren't using newer 3D graphics cards with accelleration.  In this case, some games will cause crashes.
[11:09] <Tomcat_> concept10: I'm really quick in navigating in Windows, and Gnome isn't as responsive, so dual boot would be 90% Windows for me... ;)
[11:09] <kev0r> when i plugin the USB drive, in ps aux a [usb-storage]  pops up
[11:09] <fr500> Kesh, it installs a lot of stuff without asking
[11:10] <fr500> even with the latest security patches
[11:10] <pestilence> loorni: anybody answer your question?
[11:10] <Kesh> thanks to all, this is a great community
[11:10] <persi1> kev0r: excellent!  At least something is working.  Do you have /etc/fstab entries to match against?
[11:10] <fr500> yes it is
[11:10] <ttyS0> hald hangs sometimes. how can i restart it?
[11:11] <eno> where to enable ssh or other network daemons?
[11:11] <concept10> Tomcat_, I miss my audio applications in Windows.   Besides that, you have to think what do you do everyday?  I play one game.. I browse the net, check email and IRC.  A couple of documents here and there and I have a server.  It fits my needs.
[11:11] <Kesh> probably I will try it in a new computer, keeping the windows based one
[11:11] <plopp> eno /etc/init.d/
[11:11] <fr500> Kesh, the LiveCD/DVD is great to try
[11:11] <concept10> Also, windows responds slower for some reason.. I think it maybe Norton SystemWorks clogging my system
[11:11] <Kesh> I will.....have a nice sunday evening !!!
[11:11] <Seveas> concept10, norton systemclogs....
[11:11] <Tomcat_> concept10: Yeah... almost the same for me. It's so much browsing, mail, office, irc, there's no need for Windows really.
[11:11] <persi1> eno;Also, try dpkg-reconfigure (daemon package)
[11:12] <Kesh> all norton stuff is heavy....loads of resources badly used
[11:12] <Seveas> needing tools like systemclogs rules out the possibility if ever using windows for me...
[11:12] <Tomcat_> concept10: What I miss most is the flexibility and just-works-feeling I had with movies and series...
[11:12] <eno> thx guys
[11:12] <Kesh> later
[11:12] <concept10> Tomcat_, I cant even watch a movie in Windows.. Video is broken in all apps
[11:13] <Tomcat_> concept10: Sure there's w32codecs and libdvdcss, but they're nowhere near as good as the Windows counterparts, but acceptable.
[11:13] <concept10> Tomcat_, but are you having problems watching movies?
[11:13] <penguinboy> penguinboy@ubuntu:~/sunbird$ ./configure
[11:13] <penguinboy> bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
[11:13] <Tomcat_> concept10: Well my last Windows install had a horribly broken codec registry as well - because of huge (80 MB) codec packages... that will never happen in Linux.
[11:13] <penguinboy> need help...I am trying to install Sunbird....I changed to the directory and typed ./configure but got an error message....any idea
[11:13] <Seveas> Tomcat_, w32codecs ARE the windows counterparts...
[11:14] <Seveas> penguinboy, because you are not in the top-level sourccode directory of sunbird
[11:14] <Tomcat_> concept10: Sound is sometimes lagging behind the picture, WMV is working badly in anything but mplayer... :P
[11:14] <penguinboy> Deveas....how do i get there
[11:14] <concept10> Tomcat_, do you have DMA enabled?
[11:14] <Seveas> Tomcat_, that's what mplayer is for, others don't officially support it ;)
[11:14] <persi1> Tomcat_: Attaching totem directly to ALSA solved that for me.
[11:14] <concept10> The only time I get dragging is when DMA is off
[11:15] <Seveas> penguinboy, dunno, never tried to install it :)
[11:15] <penguinboy> thanks
[11:15] <nelsongs> can somebody help me please?
[11:15] <Amaranth> concept10: hi
[11:15] <Tomcat_> Seveas: Yeah the w32codecs are the real Windows codecs, but they don't work as well... I'm not blaming anyone, it's great that it works, and so well... but for some special video codecs it's just better in Windows. Because it's the only target platform. :\
[11:15] <|quad|> my breezy xorg isn't working... anyone know if the "no core keyboard" bug has been fixed?
[11:15] <persi1> penguinboy: try using ls -F and cd (directory-name) until you find a directory containing configure.  It ought to work there.
[11:15] <kev0r> still nobody here who ever succeeded in getting an usbdrive to automount?
[11:15] <kev0r> without installing gnome :P
[11:15] <nelsongs> i have a killswitch to activate the ip2200, but it doesn't work
[11:15] <Amaranth> |quad|: edit the config file
[11:16] <Tomcat_> Seveas: You mean xine doesn't officially support w32codecs?
[11:16] <pestilence> Tomcat_: really?  i thought w32codecs + mplayer worked really well.
[11:16] <Seveas> nelsongs, you probably need to do something in /proc, hang on
[11:16] <|quad|>  Amaranth to do what?
[11:16] <concept10> penguinboy, you are trying to get a calendar?
[11:16] <persi1> |quad|: You need to adjust your xorg.conf: change keyboard to kbd
[11:16] <Tomcat_> concept10: Yeah I got that... I haven't really checked when it happens, as it's not so bad and can be fixed by pausing the video shortly.
[11:16] <Amaranth> |quad|: change keyboard to kbd
[11:16] <penguinboy> yes...but I want the Sunbird calendar
[11:16] <concept10> Amaranth, I was curious if you have seen this:http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-12/
[11:16] <Amaranth> yep
[11:16] <|quad|> persi1: Amaranth: as in the driver?
[11:17] <Amaranth> yep
[11:17] <Tomcat_> pestilence: Haven't really checked the lagging sound vids with mplayer... maybe I should. Thanks. ;)
[11:17] <Amaranth> concept10: what about it?
[11:17] <nelsongs> Seveas:  okay, can you help me and tell me what to do?
[11:17] <|quad|> Amaranth: thanks, lets see if this worked
[11:17] <Mobius> anyone know of any replacements for the windows backgammong and reversi games? my mother really wants them.. =/
[11:17] <persi1> |quad|: Yes, the driver.  Note that there are other issues with breezy X: expect more problems...
[11:17] <concept10> penguinboy, If you use thunderbird, there is a calendar extension that is the same as Sunbird
[11:17] <Amaranth> Mobius: iirc GNOME comes with replacements for both of those
[11:17] <concept10> Amaranth, I was wondering if that was your app in there
[11:17] <pestilence> Tomcat_: yup.  and remember to change /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf to read vo=xv (vo=x11 won't let you fullscreen)
[11:17] <Amaranth> concept10: nope, that's the official editor
[11:18] <Amaranth> concept10: read the blurb
[11:18] <Amaranth> concept10: i'm the more advanced 3rd party one
[11:18] <|quad|> persi1: thanks... its rebooting now, cross your fingers
[11:18] <persi1> Mobius: For backgammon, there's not something in gnome-games: I suggest xgammon
[11:18] <Amaranth> concept10: the official one only shows and hides things
[11:18] <Seveas> nelsongs, please paste the output of the followinf command on http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl : find /proc -name enabled
[11:18] <penguinboy> concept10....I do use Thunderbird....how do I get the extension
[11:18] <jason__> hello i have a ubuntu question
[11:18] <Tomcat_> pestilence: Oh, so that's why QuickTime is so small all the time... o_O
[11:18] <hou5ton> i'm looking for a linux app that will scroll through images automatically that are in a folder of my choosing ...
[11:19] <nelsongs> Seveas: no output
[11:19] <jason__> i need to append the correct prefix to ./configure for qt headers
[11:19] <jason__> how?
[11:19] <Burgundavia> hou5ton, gthumb will do
[11:19] <Mobius> persil: xgammong lacks... polish =/
[11:19] <Burgundavia> hou5ton, installed by default
[11:19] <Seveas> nelsongs, hmm, then you will have to wait until tommorow or search somewhere else, I have no physical access to an ipw2200 now...
[11:19] <persi1> Mobius: Yes.  Do you know of a better interface: I've been looking for one for years.
[11:20] <Mobius> persil: for backgammon? nope, im looking myself =/
[11:20] <nelsongs> Seveas: okay, but, what should be the problem here?  can you give me an idea?
[11:20] <|quad|>  anyone know what module v41 is?
[11:20] <Tomcat_> persi1: How would I attach totem to alsa? Set audio.driver to "alsa" or something?
[11:20] <pestilence> |quad|: video for linux?
[11:20] <|quad|> pestilence: is it important?
[11:20] <pestilence> |quad|: depends on what you're doing ;)
[11:20] <concept10> penguinboy, hold on let me find the proper link
[11:20] <penguinboy> thanks
[11:21] <pestilence> |quad|: i think you need it to watch tv
[11:21] <Seveas> nelsongs, you need to put something in a file in /proc to emulate the killswitch
[11:21] <Seveas> and I can't remember the filename :)
[11:21] <persi1> Tomcat_: Depends on which totem you use.  For gstreamer, set the default output to ALSA.  For xine, use the ALSA output plugin.
[11:21] <amonkey> what's a good program to organize music/videos?
[11:22] <nelsongs> Seveas: my notebook is hp dv4000, will there be a problem?  is it supported with rf switch?
[11:22] <pestilence> |quad|: http://www.exploits.org/v4l/
[11:23] <Sammi_> How exactly does one set up Samba to interact between two hard drives in the same box?
[11:24] <|quad|> pestilence: thanks... lemme look... my xorg isn't loading and thats the only error i am getting
[11:24] <DeMi> Sammi, interact?
[11:24] <LokeDK> k3b crashed, now I can't remove it's process.. tried with killall -9 k3b, kill -9 processid, kill -HUP processid... it just won't die
[11:24] <DeMi> what do you mean?
[11:24] <pestilence> Sammi_: ??  why would you do that?
[11:24] <persi1> Mobius: If you're prepared to go back to GNOME 1.2, there's gnubg...  It never worked for me.
[11:24] <DeMi> why would you li8ke to use samba then?
[11:24] <|quad|> ohhh, xorg font problems!
[11:24] <Sammi_> Pestilence: To move files from one hard drive to the other.
[11:24] <|quad|> thats why it isn't loading
[11:25] <DeMi> you dont need samba then
[11:25] <pestilence> Sammi_: why not use `cp`
[11:25] <concept10> Amaranth, that sucks ... I would rather see your app in the official release
[11:25] <DeMi> samba is filesharing with windows pc's
[11:25] <Sammi_> I was told I needed Samba.
[11:25] <DeMi> no you dont
[11:25] <Tomcat_> persi1: Where would I change that? The totem GUI doesn't give me those options...
[11:25] <Amaranth> concept10: you'll like breezy then
[11:25] <tgwj> I have a question about debian package version handling: is X.Y.Z_alphaDATE < or > X.Y.Z ? what about X.Y.Z.0 and X.Y.Z ? ( I am not asking on #debian because they give me no voice )
[11:25] <pestilence> Sammi_: only if the hard drive is across the network in a windows box
[11:25] <Mobius> persil: looks like there is no suitable game =/
[11:25] <concept10> Amaranth, is there anyway to integrate that in the right-click menu?
[11:26] <Amaranth> concept10: Not going to happen, sorry.
[11:26] <pestilence> one needs voice to speak in #debian??
[11:26] <concept10> heh
[11:26] <persi1> Mobius: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/games-list/2003-November/msg00003.html :)
[11:26] <|quad|> Amaranth: you know how to get fonts on breezy working?
[11:26] <hou5ton> Burgundavia:  ok .... so far so good ... but I'm having trouble making it do the slide show in a small window in one corner of the desktop .... where it can just be running, and i can be working on other things as I kind of watch it out of the corner of my eye.
[11:26] <Amaranth> |quad|: Yep, go back to hoary.
[11:26] <Sammi_> So what exactly is this "`cp`"?
[11:26] <|quad|> Amaranth: :)
[11:26] <Amaranth> |quad|: No offense but you're out of your league.
[11:26] <|quad|> Amaranth: hehe yeah i knwo
[11:26] <Burgundavia> hou5ton, don't know if it can do that. Why are you trying to do that
[11:27] <pestilence> it's cp with two different types of quotes around it
[11:27] <ttyS0> i remember that in RH was 'service'. Is it any analogue in Ubuntu?
[11:27] <|quad|> Amaranth: you gotta learn somewhere though
[11:27] <pestilence> Sammi_: it's basic command line, you use it to CoPy files
[11:27] <persi1> |quad|: If you succeed in the upgrade, you'll be unhappy with the number of features still uder construction.  Lot's of things just don't work yet,  Wait until Spetember.
[11:27] <hou5ton> Burgundavia:  good question ..... and you'll probably think I've been using Windows too long  :-), but I enjoy watching pictures of our last family camping trip, etc., as I work on other things.  ... makes me smile.
[11:28] <|quad|> persi1: i have been running breezy since the repos opened...
[11:28] <tgwj> I have a question about dpkg/apt package version handling: is X.Y.Z_alphaDATE < or > X.Y.Z ? what about X.Y.Z.0 and X.Y.Z ?
[11:28] <Seveas> ttyS0, update-rc.d
[11:28] <concept10> Amaranth, Im just pissed that I cant right click on a menu element in GNOME and check the properties of something.  This was removed in the 2.10 release.  I guess I will file a bug report.
[11:28] <persi1> |quad|: OK.  You7re missing a file.  When you find out which one, you can install it, and get past this.  No more hints.
[11:28] <Seveas> concept10, don't
[11:29] <Seveas> it's not a bug
[11:29] <|quad|> persi1: hehe :)
[11:29] <concept10> Seveas, I know its not a bug
[11:29] <Burgundavia> hou5ton, hmm, I don't know that it can be done
[11:29] <tgwj> concept10, could you do that in 2.8 ?
[11:29] <Sammi_> pestilence: Okay, so do I have to know the specific file names/paths to do so?
[11:29] <pestilence> tgwj: from the dpkg man page
[11:29] <pestilence> tgwj: dpkg --compare-versions ver1 op ver2
[11:29] <Seveas> then don't file one just because you are pissed
[11:29] <Amaranth> concept10: It'd be nice if you got something like what we have for launchers on the panel
[11:29] <pestilence> tgwj: won't that answer your question?
[11:29] <Seveas> they are working on restoring that feature to work with the new standard...
[11:29] <puff> Hm, anybody know if there's a packageifier for intellij idea?
[11:30] <concept10> Seveas, but the user should be able to enable that if they choose
[11:30] <pestilence> Sammi_: yes, but if you have the hard drive/volumes mounted, you can use gnome's graphical interface, too
[11:30] <tgwj> pestilence, if i was running debian or ubuntu at the mo maybe, but I'm researching for armagetron...
[11:30] <concept10> tgwj, that was in 2.8
[11:30] <bobbyd> is anyone here using firestarter to "share" an internet connection?
[11:30] <Seveas> concept10, agreed, that's why it will be back as soon as it's working :)
[11:30] <pestilence> tgwj: so run a live cd
[11:30] <hou5ton> Burgundavia:  check this out .... it's the kind of thing I would like to add to my Ubuntu desktop  http://www.desktopsidebar.com/
[11:30] <bobbyd> it doesn't seem to work here and there are errors when i run it on the console
[11:30] <concept10> Seveas, okay/
[11:30] <bobbyd> it says Bad argument `events-filter-hosts'
[11:30] <ttyS0> I thought it's possible to restart hald via update-rc.d, but I was wrong. Any ideas? :)
[11:31] <concept10> Seveas, BTW where is this info? Freedesktop.org?
[11:31] <pestilence> ttyS0: invoke-rc.d, maybe?
[11:31] <pestilence> ttyS0: i always just do /etc/init.d/whatever restart
[11:31] <Seveas> concept10, gnome.org (freedesktop.org just specifies the standard, gnome implements it)
[11:31] <brettcar>                  http://www.desktopsidebar.com/
[11:31] <ttyS0> pestilence, me too, but there's not any filename with 'hald' in it in /etc/init.d :)
[11:32] <pestilence> oh
[11:32] <mpmc> !xorh
[11:32] <ubotu> mpmc: Bugger all, i dunno
[11:32] <mpmc> !xorg
[11:32] <ubotu> I don't know, mpmc
[11:32] <mpmc> :s
[11:32] <Amaranth> What do you want to know?
[11:32] <Burgundavia> hou5ton, that looks like the dashboard project, which is sort of dead right now
[11:33] <mpmc> where do I find out about window managers like gnome?
[11:33] <hou5ton> Burgundavia:  oh ... so there was at least "someone" with the same kind of ideas?  ;-)
[11:33] <Mobius> persil: gnubg looks pretty nice
[11:33] <Burgundavia> hou5ton, http://www.nat.org/dashboard/
[11:33] <hou5ton> Burgundavia:  k,... thanks ...
[11:33] <Amaranth> mpmc: What?
[11:33] <Sammi_> pestilence: That's the thing. It won't let me mount the hard drive. It says that "/dev/hdc" is already mounted, but when I go into /dev/, and find the thing called hdc, I double-click on it and it says it can't display it.
[11:33] <mpmc> GUI's like gnome.
[11:34] <persi1> Mobius: I've been bothered by the gtk1.2 requirement.  Is the interface much better than xgammon?
[11:34] <Amaranth> mpmc: You mean Desktop Environments?
[11:34] <Tomcat_> persi1: Okay, found out what audio.driver to set.
[11:34] <mpmc> yes
[11:34] <pestilence> Sammi_: try typing "mount" at a command line
[11:34] <Amaranth> mpmc: XFCE, GNUStep, KDE, GNOME
[11:34] <Tomcat_> persi1: I'll check it out, thanks.
[11:34] <pestilence> Sammi_: you can't open the device directly, you have to open the "mount point"
[11:34] <Amaranth> mpmc: Those are the only DEs.
[11:34] <pestilence> Sammi_: "mount" will tell you what the mount point is
[11:35] <nelsongs> anybody here who can help me?
[11:35] <pestilence> nelsongs: just ask
[11:35] <nelsongs> on the killswitch for ip22200
[11:35] <cafuego> Did you ask a qustion then?
[11:35] <mpmc> Amaranth: got anything like gnome..
[11:35] <nelsongs> ipw2200*
[11:35] <Amaranth> mpmc: Closest thing to GNOME that isn't GNOME is XFCE.
[11:35] <hou5ton> Burgundavia:  Yep, ... that would be it.  I enjoy getting scrolling RSS feeds and stuff like that...
[11:36] <Amaranth> mpmc: The rest are a lot different.
[11:36] <pestilence> nelsongs: oh, dunno.  tried the latest drivers/firmware ?
[11:36] <mpmc> Amaranth: I didn't like it
[11:36] <Amaranth> mpmc: Then you're kinda SOL. :P
[11:36] <pestilence> nelsongs: i have an ipw2200 too, but haven't tried getting the killswitch to work
[11:36] <Amaranth> mpmc: There are only so many of these things. It'd better to find the one you like the most and tweak it.
[11:37] <Tomcat_> nelsongs: The killswitch works for me, it's hardware based on my laptop.
[11:37] <mpmc> the only thing I liked was the apple like bar..
[11:37] <pestilence> nelsongs: but, kismet won't work without the latest drivers/firmware.
[11:37] <concept10> What server is the Firefox channel at?
[11:37] <nelsongs> pestilence:  the ipw2200 was installed properly from ubuntu
[11:37] <pestilence> nelsongs: right, and there has been updates to the drivers/firmware since ubuntu was released.
[11:37] <Amaranth> mpmc: If you're looking for an OS X wannabe go buy a Mac.
[11:37] <Burgundavia> hou5ton, basically, they are currently working on beagle, which does the searching. When they made beagle rock, they will focus back on dashboard
[11:37] <nelsongs> Tomcat_:  what laptop do you have?
[11:37] <pestilence> nelsongs: http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/
[11:37] <Tomcat_> nelsongs: HP Compaq NX9030
[11:38] <mpmc> Amaranth: Cough.. I hate macs
[11:38] <Sammi_> pestilence: It tells me nothing about an hdc when I type "mount" in, and when I type "mount /dev/hdc/", it gives me "mount: /dev/hdc already mounted or /media/cdrom0 busy".
[11:38] <ttyS0> ok. ttys0@ubuntu:~$ ps ax | grep hald   ||||      6283 ?        Ds     0:05 /usr/sbin/hald --drop-privileges    ||||| This process cannot be killed. But....may be....I can do that?
[11:38] <nelsongs> pestilence:  so i have to upgrade the firmware and driver first?
[11:38] <Tomcat_> pestilence: Does kismet work with the latest drivers?
[11:38] <Amaranth> mpmc: You like OS X but hate the hardware? That's new.
[11:38] <pestilence> Tomcat_: yes
[11:38] <mjr> Amaranth, it doesn't run w32codecs ;P
[11:38] <mpmc> Amaranth: I've never used it!
[11:38] <pestilence> Sammi_: then /dev/hdc is your cdrom...?
[11:38] <mpmc> Amaranth: nor a mac.
[11:38] <pestilence> nelsongs: i don't know, just speculation.
[11:39] <Amaranth> mjr: It doesn't need to, it gets real support. :)
[11:39] <Sammi_> mpmc: Don't dis what you haven't tried.
[11:39] <Tomcat_> persi1: Interesting... it seems totem-xine tries to use alsa as sound source first, but fails because the sound device is in use... killing esd fixes that.
[11:39] <pestilence> nelsongs: i'm just saying, some things don't work with the drivers that shipped with ubuntu hoary
[11:39] <Amaranth> mpmc: How can you hate something you've never used?
[11:39] <pestilence> Tomcat_: i had to compile the latest kismet, also
[11:39] <Tomcat_> pestilence: Nice to know... might be good for some wardriving. :)
[11:39] <Sammi_> pestilence: Nope. It's a hard drive alright.
[11:39] <nelsongs> pestilence:  oh i see
[11:39] <mpmc> sammi_: I guess your right..
[11:40] <nelsongs> pestilence:  what notebook do you have?
[11:40] <mpmc> anythings better than windoze! lol
[11:40] <Tomcat_> pestilence: I've gone back to 1.0.0 at the moment because the latest versions got bugs I don't want... :o
[11:40] <pestilence> Sammi_: what does "sudo fdisk -l /dev/hdc" tell you?
[11:40] <persi1> Tomcat_: Try using dmix.  Instructions in /usr/share/doc/alsa-something.  This allows esd+direct alsa (but causes me issues with jackd).
[11:40] <Amaranth> mpmc: Actually Windows 2000 and Windows XP are pretty nice.
[11:40] <memin> does anyone know if ubuntu has a Home Design Software package?
[11:40] <nelsongs> pestilence:  i have a dv4000 laptop
[11:40] <pestilence> nelsongs: dell inspiron 700m
[11:40] <Amaranth> memin: I highly doubt it. That's a little overly specialized.
[11:40] <mpmc> Amaranth: I have windows..
[11:40] <pestilence> Tomcat_: bugs?  never! :-D
[11:40] <mpmc> Amaranth: I only use it for gaming...
[11:41] <Tomcat_> persi1: It works on my main machine as well... I got esd running and xine is using alsa perfectly. It's not important if I have to kill esd for non-laggy video... ;)
[11:41] <Amaranth> concept10: Damn you.
[11:41] <memin>  I am looking for something similsr to Chief Architect Design Software package?
[11:41] <Amaranth> concept10: I'm trying to quit smoking over here.
[11:41] <Tomcat_> pestilence: The latest versions have indeed been worse and worse... somehow. :D
[11:41] <|quad|>  persi1 : you still here? i think if figured it out
[11:41] <concept10> Amaranth, me too :)
[11:41] <Sammi_> pestilence: A bunch of stuff about the hard drive.
[11:41] <pestilence> Tomcat_: are you talking about ipw2200 or kismet?
[11:41] <Amaranth> Cry_Mac_Ubuntu: Interesting nick.
[11:42] <pestilence> Sammi_: ok, then i'm guessing you have an incorrect entry in /etc/fstab
[11:42] <Tomcat_> persi1: Will killing esd have any side effects?
[11:42] <Amaranth> grr
[11:42] <Tomcat_> pestilence: ipw
[11:42] <pestilence> Sammi_: sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[11:42] <Amaranth> Seveas: Die.
[11:42] <persi1> |quad|: Best of luck with it then...
[11:42] <|quad|> persi1: would a symlink in /usr/lib/X11/fonts to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts work?
[11:42] <Seveas> Amaranth, somw day I will :)
[11:42] <mpmc> I'll try SXCE again??? is that how you spell it?
[11:42] <pestilence> Tomcat_: oh.  uh-oh.  i haven't seen the bugs yet, i'll keep my fingers crossed.
[11:42] <Amaranth> mpmc: XFCE
[11:43] <mpmc> tanx
[11:43] <persi1> Tomcat_: Without esd, all your libesd-using apps will have no sound (inlcuindg desktop sounds, etc.).  dmix is better if you want everything, unless you want jack.
[11:43] <benplaut> Amaranth: what was that display of power for? :P
[11:43] <patrickj> I have a problem with Gaim, it wont log me in to MSN, it just hangs at  retrieving buddy list :/
[11:43] <Amaranth> benplaut: * Seveas hands Amaranth a cigarette and lighter
[11:43] <pestilence> Sammi_: you could also try "mount /dev/hdc /my/mount/point"  (change /my/mount/point to the mount point of choice)
[11:43] <benplaut> ahh
[11:43] <Tomcat_> persi1: dmix is a replacement for esd? Or where in the sound chain does it work? :o
[11:44] <Amaranth> !info dmix
[11:44] <pestilence> Sammi_: that will bypass /etc/fstab.
[11:44] <Amaranth> oh, package doesn't exist
[11:44] <cafuego> Please to be smoking OUTSIDE, thankyou.
[11:44] <benplaut> ubotu dousn't take wildcards, unfortunately
[11:44] <ubotu> benplaut: I give up, what is it?
[11:44] <benplaut> oh, be quiet
[11:45] <file> im trying to install the gaim xfire plugin, any ideas?
[11:45] <cafuego> benplaut: Do a 'find dmix' first then.
[11:45] <benplaut> !find dmix
[11:45] <mpmc> !kmix
[11:45] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, mpmc
[11:45] <mpmc> lol
[11:45] <persi1> Tomcat_: dmix is an input plugin for ALSA.  It acts as a software multiplexor to the hardware.  This way multiple apps can access the same hardware device.
[11:45] <mpmc> !info kmix
[11:45] <ubotu> kmix: (KDE based mixer app), section sound, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3 (hoary), Packaged size: 347 kB, Installed size: 1136 kB
[11:45] <benplaut> !info libasound2
[11:45] <ubotu> libasound2: (ALSA library), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.0.8-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 292 kB, Installed size: 1044 kB
[11:45] <Amaranth> ok, that's enough now
[11:46] <benplaut> k
[11:46] <benplaut> :D
[11:46] <Tomcat_> persi1: I might try it... thanks so far, valuable member of the community. ;)
[11:46] <catolh> Isn't there a equalizer for Rhythmbox?
[11:47] <aimee> hey, when the cdrom drive is mounted to /media/cdrom0 it's unreliable and it seems to magically unmount itself - but when I mount the cdrom drive manually to /mnt, I have no problems. I had deleted and recreated the symlink on /cdrom, but I don't think that's the cause. Can anyone help? Thanks.
[11:47] <persi1> Tomcat_: I think you'll find something with some details in /usr/share/doc/alsa-utils or somewhere nearby.  If nothing else, google for dmix: there are a number of config files available on the web.
[11:48] <Sammi_> pesti_away: It gives me the same error: "mount: /dev/hdc already mounted or /media/cdrom0 busy".
[11:48] <Sammi_> -.-
[11:48] <Cry_Mac_Ubuntu> Hello, all. Is this the tech, or community room?
[11:49] <bionic> Uhm, whats the command to say messages to other people logged in, in terminals.. ?
[11:49] <linlin> wall
[11:49] <Seveas> or talk
[11:49] <linlin> mmhmm
[11:49] <cafuego> Cry_Mac_Ubuntu: A bit of both, just ask the question :-)
[11:49] <bionic> thank you.
[11:49] <concept10> Cry_Mac_Ubuntu, both of them
[11:49] <concept10> Cry_Mac_Ubuntu, no crying though
[11:50] <Cry_Mac_Ubuntu> Oh, okay. I don't have time for the answer, but I'll be back. Mean time is it okay to lurk?
[11:50] <Amaranth> it's fine
[11:50] <Tomcat_> Cry_Mac_Ubuntu: Always.
[11:50] <cafuego> Cry_Mac_Ubuntu: yes, just make sure the irc client doesn't do auto-away notifications.
[11:50] <Seveas> Cry_Mac_Ubuntu, most people in here lurk :)
[11:50] <Amaranth> if all 471 people here were talking we'd be in trouble
[11:50] <Seveas> Amaranth, so true :)
[11:50] <scruffy_anax> hello everybody
[11:50] <aimee> anybody? :)
[11:50] <Cry_Mac_Ubuntu> Also, will the ubuntu website tell me all I need to know about using it?
[11:51] <cafuego> Amaranth: There are only 42 people, the rest are bots and cloned for logging, surely.
[11:51] <Amaranth> it's bad enough at USA after school/work times
[11:51] <Seveas> Cry_Mac_Ubuntu, the wiki (wiki.ubuntu.com) and forums (ubuntuforums.org) help
[11:51] <taw> hello
[11:52] <aimee> hey, when the cdrom drive is mounted to /media/cdrom0 it's unreliable and it seems to magically unmount itself - but when I mount the cdrom drive manually to /mnt, I have no problems. I had deleted and recreated the symlink on /cdrom, but I don't think that's the cause. Can anyone help? Thanks.
[11:52] <Iceman-AMD64> god i need more ram
[11:52] <ttyS0> so...there's no way to restart Hardware Abstraction Layer Daemon? :)
[11:52] <Cry_Mac_Ubuntu> Sweet. My question was about the installation of programs, but I'll check the wiki. Thanks all, I'm sure I'll be back with real questions.
[11:52] <cafuego> note to self, don't wanke up and use net whilst rsync cronjobs are still running
[11:52] <Cry_Mac_Ubuntu> Also, this is working so much better than smac os.
[11:52] <Madpilot> cafuego: don't *what*?
[11:52] <taw> what's the state of the world now ? is it possible to simply resize partitions ?
[11:53] <Iceman-AMD64> Got to love 64 bit ... now just need a good game to utilize it
[11:53] <Seveas> taw sor some filesystems: yes
[11:53] <Seveas> for others: possibly
[11:53] <cafuego> Madpilot: I must not wake up and start using teh intarwebb whilst by cron jobs are still pulling the server backups down via rsync.
[11:53] <cafuego> Madpilot: It's ;ag central here
[11:53] <Madpilot> cafuego: ah, OK. that typo for "wake" was attention-getting...
[11:54] <taw> Seveas: reiserfs ?
[11:54] <scruffy_anax> crimsun: hello a friend of mine told me you should probably help me with my micro settings
[11:54] <Seveas> taw, no idea about that
[11:54] <cafuego> Madpilot: Whoops, missed that completely. Maybe another coffee...
[11:54] <GivenWay> if anyone has a few minutes to help a completely new-to-linux user out, i need help setting up a TV Wonder VE to work in Ubuntu 5.04.  feel free to direct chat as well
[11:54] <Madpilot> more caffiene is rarely a bad idea - speaking of which, brb...
[11:54] <vitry> server libres.irc-hispano.org
[11:55] <La_PaRCa> Madpilot, more caffeine is _never_ a bad idea.
[11:55] <scruffy_anax> crimsun: my mic is just too silent so nobody heres me .
[11:55] <scruffy_anax> whois crimsun
[11:55] <scruffy_anax> whops
[11:55] <taw> damn, i can't resize it
[11:56] <taw> at least not in parted
[11:56] <benplaut> what to i append to a terminal command to detach the process from an open terminal? "&" isn't working, for some reason
[11:56] <dbw> 23
[11:56] <dbw> oops, disregard that
[11:56] <dbw> benplaut: not working?? what are you trying to run?
[11:56] <Seveas> benplaut, what is the command you are trying so far?
[11:57] <benplaut> xfce4-panel
[11:57] <benplaut> it's actually on a Zaurus, but it shoudl be the same :P
[11:58] <Seveas> xfce4-panel &
[11:58] <Seveas> works fine here :)
[11:58] <benplaut> oh
[11:58] <benplaut> well
[11:58] <Seveas> even from within gnome :)
[11:58] <benplaut> the Z is being weird :(
[11:59] <flodine> hello folks
[11:59] <benplaut> howdee
[11:59] <ZibiKebir> can anybody help me in setting up a wireless usb network card
[11:59] <flodine> can someone help me running openbox
[11:59] <benplaut> flodine: sure
[11:59] <cafuego> sudo apt-get install openbox; openbox -replace &
[11:59] <flodine> how do i get the debian menu installed?