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soebbinikkia: <- That was the name :)12:10
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nikkiasoebbi: i told you, the location of the JRE's files has a 'lib' dir, if you put .jar files in there they are automatically found12:13
nikkiasoebbi: on kubuntu, i believe that dir is something like /usr/lib/jre1.5_sun/lib12:13
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soebbinikkia: I tried that, i downloaded the official sun jre an installed it under /opt/jre1.5 and copied the hsqldb.jar file in the lib-dir12:16
soebbinikkia: OO2-base works now, but says it can't find the hsqldb-driver12:16
nikkiahmmm, OO2 might be doing something odd to the classpath12:17
soebbido i need to register it somehow?12:17
soebbi"the specified driver could not be loaded" - thats the error message12:19
nikkiaOO2 should include its own hsqldb.jar anyway12:20
nikkialike this:12:21
nikkia-r--r--r--  1 root root 625097 2005-07-15 10:50 openoffice.org1.9.118/program/classes/hsqldb.jar.1.112:21
soebbifind / -name "hsqldb.jar*" says it can't find anything12:24
nikkiasoebbi: where did you install OO2 from ?12:24
nikkiahmmm, the one in the repository is very old12:25
soebbiSays help12:25
nikkiayeah, 6 months old, ok, not 'very' compared to other ubuntu packages, but still12:26
bobbydhow do I get a 'Home' icon on my desktop?12:27
nikkiawhen you're talking beta software, 6 months is an eternity :)12:27
insanekanesoebbi: should probably install the same place as nikkia has it ... openoffice.org1.9.118/program/classes/hsqldb.jar.1.112:27
nikkiainsanekane: i wouldn't recommend it12:27
insanekanenikkia: oh ?12:27
nikkiainsanekane: there is probably a reason why its not included with that particular version12:28
nikkialike, it probably doesn't work in the least :P12:28
soebbiIs there a way to upgrade smoothly to breezy? That would help, maybe :)12:28
bobbydand what's a decent panel applte to show bandwith usage in real time?12:28
insanekanenikkia: not particularly ... it just isnt included :P12:28
nikkiainsanekane: the db stuff in OO2 is fairly new12:28
nikkiainsanekane: i really wouldn't be surprised if it is completely broken in a build from febuary12:29
insanekanenikkia: for e.g., i believe, in 116, there is a seperate package for Base12:29
insanekanenikkia: thats probably true :)12:29
insanekanein any case, there is no harm in trying, is there ?12:29
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nikkiainsanekane: *shrug*12:30
nikkiainsanekane: it also means tracking down hsqldb 1.112:30
insanekanesoebbi: so why dont you try it ?12:30
nikkiathe current release on their site is 1.812:30
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insanekanenikkia: yeah probably :)12:30
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insanekanenikkia: in free software/open source, as always, each man for himself, or buy service :)12:31
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soebbiinsanekane: i can't find the appropriate dir12:32
tdmgyhey guys, is there anyone here who has installed Wine on a 64bit system?12:32
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lscdnope, haven't bothered12:33
insanekanesoebbi: let me check in 11612:33
nikkiainsanekane: i'm glad he hasn't asked how i got 1.9.118 yet :P12:33
insanekanenikkia: hehe :)12:33
soebbinikkia: Was that a hint? :)12:33
nikkiasoebbi: not in the least12:34
insanekanesoebbi: /usr/lib/openoffice2/program/classes12:34
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soebbiDamn...has to be too late12:35
sproingieis there any way to make konquerer's photobook view show thumbnails on the left instead of the right?12:35
insanekaneno luck ?12:35
soebbiI already was in that dir12:35
insanekanesoebbi: no luck ?12:35
insanekanesoebbi: aha :)12:35
soebbiBut didn't recognize :)12:35
sproingiegah.  in fact making photobook view not suck would be nice12:35
insanekanesoebbi: perhaps you do need to sleep ... but perhaps, after you check with hsqldb.jar :)12:36
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soebbiVersion mixing = baaaad :)12:36
tdmgycan anyone here help me out with compiling Wine?12:37
_lucaGood evening... my problem is: I am deaf, so I want to see subs in divx movies, and I don't know how to play them in Kaffeine or any other player... any ideas?12:37
sproingieunbelievable, photobook view can't even delete files either12:37
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scottmwebcam support anyone ?12:38
insanekanesoebbi: hmm .. you didn't use hsqldb 1.1 ?12:40
insanekane_luca: is it a problem with not having appropriate codecs ?12:40
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soebbiinsanekane: i fetched the latest version from it's website...should be 1.812:41
insanekanesoebbi: probably should use 1.1 as the error dialog said12:42
_lucainsanecane: no, the divx movie plays well. the problem is only that I just don't know how to tell kaffeine "open the subtitle and write it on the screen while the movie is playing"12:42
Hamsterare the apt repositories ever out of whack with each other? I need a file libkexif and googling turns it up on other repositories, but when I search mine, only a really old version is there.12:43
insanekane_luca: ah well ... i believe you can right click on the movie window, and you should see a menu with subtitling options12:43
_lucaooops pardon: insaneKane12:43
insanekane_luca: hehe, no problem :)12:43
_lucacane in italian=dog, sorry for that :)12:44
insanekane_luca: it is not often that people call me dog :) usually, the animal most closely associated with me is elephant LOL ;)12:44
_lucainsanekane: at least they don't call you "shrimp" (we italians are shorter so today a canadian even shorter than me dared to call me shrimp)12:46
insanekane_luca: also, see Settings->Xine Engine Parameters->subtitles ... dont forget to press Expert options ;)12:46
insanekane_luca: haha :)12:46
soebbiinsanekane: Where did it say 1.1?12:46
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insanekanesoebbi: did you get such a dialog when you tried to run Base ?12:47
_lucaoh well kaffeine just crashed12:47
soebbiinsanekane: Nope, just a nullpointer exception12:47
insanekane_luca: hrrm12:47
insanekanesoebbi: not when u ran with 1.8 .. i mean when you didn't have an hsqldb installed at all :)12:47
insanekanesoebbi: let me save you some trouble ... dunno if it will work, but is worth a shot :)12:49
soebbiinsanekane: I see :) But it than just said that it can't find an appropriate driver12:49
_lucaah i'll ask another question: when I try to open an *.avi file on a ntfs partition, totem says me that the file can't be opened because it has no writing permission12:49
insanekanesoebbi: oh ... hmm, in that case, i must've misunderstood12:49
soebbiinsanekane: Thank you...gonna try that one12:50
insanekane_luca: well ... i dont know much about ntfs, other than that it is not really well supported under Linux in general .. so perhaps you can try by copying it to ext3 ?12:50
tdmgyhey guys, how do I get multilib enabled?12:50
insanekane_luca: i confirmed,  right click in my kaffeine shows a subtitle submenu12:51
_lucainsanekane: i see it, and 10 channels. what are them? o.O12:51
insanekane_luca: try one of them ... perhaps one will work ? :)12:52
nikkia10 languages, at a guess12:52
nikkiawhich is either how many languages there are in the file, or a very poor xine default, as dvd's can have a lot more than 10 subtitle channels :)12:52
insanekanehehe :)12:52
_lucabut i still can't load the *.sub file o.O12:52
insanekane_luca: perhaps you are opening the vob file directly ?12:53
insanekanesoebbi: how goes it ?12:53
soebbiinsanekane: Again a nullpointer exception...oo2 hates me :)12:54
insanekanenikkia: i have a problem: a corrupted .tar.bz2 file ... i used bzip2recover and im supposed to get several pieces each should be individual parts of the tar ... so how do idecompress them ? tar xvf <piece> doesnt work12:54
_lucaok let's explain better: i have downloaded the *avi file (movie), and a *sub file (text). with Windows (trying to escape from it) Media Player I found some freeware plugin to put subtitles on the screen just under the movie...12:54
insanekanesoebbi: oh ... so sorry12:55
nikkiainsanekane: no idea12:55
soebbiGonna try it again tomorrow12:55
insanekane_luca: better ask nikkia 12:55
soebbiThank you, man!12:55
_luca*musical voice* Nikkiaaaa12:55
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nikkiasoebbi: as i said, there's a very good chance that the database just doesn't work in that build of OO212:55
insanekanenikkia: the shrimp calls to you ;)12:56
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nikkia_luca, hold on, i haven't used subtitles in xine before... so let me check12:57
_lucaokie dookie12:57
insanekanenikkia: uses -sub option12:58
insanekanenikkia: xine ie12:58
nikkia_luca: it should 'just work'12:58
nikkiai just loaded my copy of betty blue, which is admittably .smi subtitles not .sub, and they 'just worked'12:58
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nikkiai don't think i have anything with .sub format subtitles12:59
_lucaNikkia: how did you load it?12:59
insanekane_luca: she didnt12:59
nikkia_luca: the avi? 'xine blah.avi'12:59
_lucano the sub12:59
nikkiathe subtitles appeared automatically since they're in the same dir12:59
nikkia_luca, the key might be that the filename must be identical except for the extension01:00
_lucaok so....... i should write it in the ntfs partition, wow, now i'll have to copy the movie to my ext3 partition, i'm sooooo happy01:00
_lucai'll try and let you know :)01:00
nikkia_luca: as i said, that's a .smi subtitle01:01
nikkiai can't test .sub, and i DO know there are about 50 different subtitle formats using .sub as an extension, so it might be trickier01:01
_lucayes, one is a subviewer and the other is a subrip.... there are 2 formats01:01
alakhiaspeaking of movies ... i had a question about kaffiene01:01
nikkia_luca, there are *way* more than 2 .sub formats :)01:02
_lucapardon nikkia *.*01:02
alakhiamy question: how can I rewind or play backwards in kaffiene?01:02
insanekane_luca: http://xinehq.de/index.php/faq#AVISUBTITLES01:05
_lucaIT WORKS! Geez. I owe you a beer. come in italy and take it... do your holiday here :)01:05
alakhiaanyone? 01:05
insanekane_luca: nikkia left :/01:05
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insanekane_luca: here she is :)01:06
_lucai see :/01:06
insanekane_luca: maybe you should offer the beer again :)01:07
_lucaanyway now i have another problem -.- 01:07
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_lucaIT WORKS! Geez. I owe you a beer. come in italy and take it... do your holiday here :)01:07
alakhiaok, let me rephrase: which movie player is the fav around here?01:07
insanekanealakhia: nothing like that ... but kubuntu comes with kaffeine :)01:08
_lucabut before how do I solve this problem: synchronizing the sub with the movie?01:08
insanekanealakhia: your question is perhaps better answered in the kaffeine channel ?01:08
alakhiaI use kaffeine (sorry about the spelling) ... just can't seem to play backwards01:08
alakhiainsanekane: I hung around there but didn't get anyone to respond01:08
insanekanealakhia: it seems your question relates to some non-standard use of some software :) ... perhaps you should ask some kaffeine people ? like their mailing list ?01:09
insanekanealakhia: generally, you should find better help in the mailing list than IRC channels01:09
alakhiainsanekane: I'm not adamant on using any kaffeine ... any movie player that lets me move around freely works01:10
insanekanealakhia: well, you can also try mplayer01:10
insanekanealakhia: dunno if it will work the way you want though01:10
alakhiainsanekane: I tried apt-get install mplayer but couldn't ... i'm new to debian01:11
insanekanealakhia: im curious though, why would you want to run something backwards ?01:11
insanekanealakhia: let me check if its there01:11
alakhiainsanekane: well, if i miss a dialog, I want to seek backwards so I can hear it again01:11
insanekaneah right01:12
insanekanealakhia: well, you can add multiverse to your /etc/apt/sources.lst ... and then apt-get mplayer01:12
_lucaok so the same name is right, also for this *.sub... good work! Thanks a lot! ciaooo01:12
insanekane_luca: ciao :)01:12
alakhiainsanekane: my requirements for movie player are simple: 1) let me move around, 2) grandmother friendly, 3) dvd menus work01:12
insanekanealakhia: well, those are also my requirements ... almost. so far, i havent needed to play backwards :) i prefer to click on the slider :)01:13
nikkiamine are even more simple 'must be xine'01:13
alakhiainsanekane: kaffeine does #2 and #3 but not #201:13
alakhiainsanekane: err, #101:13
insanekanenikkia: hehe :)01:13
alakhiainsanekane: the slider is not very accurate ... otherwise, I would use it01:14
insanekanenikkia: iyo, why is xine is better than mplayer ?01:14
insanekanealakhia: haha, im no video/film editor :) slider more than enough for me :)01:14
alakhiainsanekane: well, i just end up having to seek many times using slider and it is a nuisance01:15
insanekanealakhia: yeah it is :) ... maybe you should talk to the kaffeine people ?01:15
alakhiainsanekane: yeah, i can ... i guess no other player out there does what all of the 3 things, huh?01:16
nikkiainsanekane: ever tried to compile mplayer by hand ?01:16
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tdmgyguys, Kate keeps crashing on me, how do I find out what's wrong?01:17
crimsunare you using the KDE 3.4.2 packages?01:18
crimsun(see topic)01:18
insanekanenikkia: nope never ..01:18
alakhiai compiled mplayer ... but using gentoo01:19
insanekanenikkia: do you know how the mplayer people make those win32codecs ?01:19
insanekanenikkia: i mean, are they compiled from source ? or cracked versions of codecs made for windows ?01:19
insanekanealakhia: have you tried using the keyboard arrow keys when the slider has focus ?01:21
nikkiainsanekane:  'make' ?01:21
nikkiainsanekane: they copy them from a working windows install01:22
alakhiainsanekane: hmmm, no, I always used mouse ...01:22
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alakhiainsanekane: if the arrows move a fixed amount when focus is on slider, then that would be pretty good01:24
insanekanealakhia: err .. why don't you actually try the arrow keys ?01:25
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sproingieinsanekane: the win32codecs are supposedly of questionable origin01:25
insanekanesproingie: questionable in the legal sense or technical sense ?01:25
sproingieallegedly leaked source code01:26
lscderm, questionable redistribution01:26
lscdbut leaked source? not that i'd heard01:26
lscdthey come with dlls from freely downloadable but restrictively licensed things, afaik01:26
nikkialscd, not all of them01:27
lscdnikkia: they come with, not 'they are comprised only of'01:27
nikkialscd, i was referencing the 'freely downloadable' part01:27
sproingieah right.  i think it's the old NTFS driver that came from leaked source01:28
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sproingiethe codecs are just illegally distributing some dll's01:28
alakhiainsanekane: well, that was easy01:28
insanekanealakhia: did it work ?01:28
alakhiainsanekane: I knew i was missing something ... it should be so hard to move around01:28
sproingienew ntfs driver is better and from untainted sources anyway01:28
insanekanealakhia: ??01:28
alakhiainsanekane: yeah, tried it just now01:28
alakhiainsanekane: the focus doesn't even have to be on the slider01:29
insanekanealakhia: so there :) so according to you kaffeine is now perfect ? ;)01:29
insanekanealakhia: LOL01:29
alakhiainsanekane: Yes, kaffeine is perfect! :O01:29
insanekanealakhia: glad to hear :)01:29
insanekanealakhia: perhaps you should say something like that in #kaffeine :)01:30
alakhiainsanekane: I have a wishlist ... but this was perhaps the biggest hurdle!01:30
alakhiainsanekane: if anyone were around, I would01:30
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alakhiainsanekane: well, thanks for your help! :)01:31
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insanekanealakhia: best of luck :)01:32
insanekaneok gotta go ciao all01:32
alakhiainsanekane: see you01:33
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smuxhello. Can I use an other char enconding ? I have a lot of problems with utf8 :/01:58
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BROKEN_LADDERgod i just read this cheesy slashdot article about upcoming gnome 2.12.02:01
BROKEN_LADDERwhen are they going to realize, they'll never catch up to kde, and they should invest their time helping kde instead of competing with it.02:02
BROKEN_LADDERthe only thing gnome has going for it is that it looks so cool.02:02
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goldfishis there a keyboard shortcut for switching desktops in kde like alt + <f1> in fluxbox?03:06
goldfishwhat is it? :)03:08
lscdctl+ fN03:08
lscdi was checking :)03:08
goldfishah wonderful03:08
lscdi've hit it before by accident, but i didn't remember the actual keys to press03:08
lscdweeeee, 9% into the install of the ubuntu base system03:09
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goldfishdont suppose you know where i can change that?03:15
goldfishoh, nm.03:15
lscdchange what?03:15
goldfishthat shortcut03:16
lscdhm, so did you find a way, or?03:16
goldfishno, i thought of somewhere to check before asking, but no joy :)03:16
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lscdsearch for 'key', there's a global key bindings menu03:21
lscdthat might let you do what you want03:21
MIK3MANcan anyone here help me configure samba so that my XP machine can see my Kubuntu machine?? is that possible??03:21
lscdit's possible, yes; how to do it is beyond me, as i have no windows machines and have never used samba, sorry03:21
goldfishlscd: kcontrol -> regional & accesibility -> keyboard shortcuts03:22
goldfishif you're wondering03:22
lscdgoldfish: ahh03:22
lscdhm... my install is taking a terribly long time to test the network repository :/03:22
lscdahh, it finally progressed, that felt like it took a few minutes03:23
goldfishyeah did that for me too03:24
lscdmmph, if no one's filed a wish about "give some damn status indication during that" i should03:24
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lscdi'm officially impressed03:45
lscdafter a couple of years of gentoo, an ubuntu install is surprisingly shiny ;)03:45
crimsunmust be the lack of "omgwtfcompile?!"03:45
lscdcrimsun: naw, the minor stuff03:46
lscdit checking ntp the first boot03:46
lscda usb mouse -working- when i plug it in, without restarting x03:46
crimsunit's the minor stuff that either makes or kills a distro03:46
lscdthere've been a couple of nasty artifacts with the graphics card though03:47
lscdotoh, i don't even know off the top of my head what graphics card -is- in that box, unlike if i was running gentoo on it - though it would be another day or two til i got the joy of configuring X ;)03:47
lscdhm... the graphics artifacts are pretty annoying and occur whenever i move the mouse. ergh03:48
goldfishyou use gentoo at all anymore lscd ?03:55
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lscdall of my systems, except for a freebsd one, and an ubuntu install which is now about 10 minutes old03:56
lscdoh, and my mac; i've been trying to decide what linux to install on that03:56
goldfishah right :)03:56
goldfishi must get me a pair of balls and install freebsd.03:56
lscdi've been recommending ubuntu to people blindly, so it was overdue for me to try it ;)03:57
lscdeh, it's surprisingly easy03:57
lscdthe partitioning terminology is weird, but the handbook isn't bad03:57
jsimonI have problem I just install Kunbuntu and yen i wase typing the root passowrd i toutch something and the pass dont no wat is it so how do i change the root pass ?? 03:57
goldfishwell.. you can locally exploit your new install and crack the shadow file.03:58
goldfishhmm, im not sure, can u boot into recovery mode to get a root prompt03:59
lscdcan you use sudo by default?03:59
lscdif so, 'sudo passwd root'03:59
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jsimonok i will try that 03:59
goldfishhmm, i think i broke my kubuntu.04:01
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goldfishanytime i try to apt-get something i get an error about gtkboard, which is not even installed on my system.04:04
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jsimonthe sudo passwd root did not work 04:11
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lscdok - then, the easiest thing to do is boot linux in what's called 'single user mode'04:12
jsimonok how do i do that ? 04:13
lscdok, when ubuntu is booting, press esc, and then press 'c'04:14
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lscdfound an easier way04:14
lscdand those weren't the complete instructions04:15
ray_how do i adjust dma to play dvd's smoothly?04:17
ray_just type hdparm?04:18
lscdno, hdparm -d 1 /dev/whatever #whatever is probably hda04:19
ray_do i need to do it everytime?04:19
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goldfishyou can make a hdparm conf file to run on startup04:21
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courtkneeyou no longer close your eyes....04:23
courtkneewhen I kiss....04:23
courtkneeyour assssss04:23
lscd...... wonderful04:23
courtkneedum dum...dumm dumm04:23
lscdhmmm... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia mentions nvidia-settings, but apt-get says it's not available despite being referred to by another package04:24
ray_setting using_dma to 1 (on)04:24
ray_ HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted04:24
ray_ using_dma    =  0 (off)04:24
goldfishlspci |grep IDE04:24
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courtkneethankfully my notebook was setup nicely after installation04:25
courtkneeredhat, suse, and gentoo always left me hang'n04:25
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ray_0000:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) IDE Controller (rev 03)04:27
ray_0000:00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801FR/FRW (ICH6R/ICH6RW) SATA Controller (rev 03)04:27
courtkneeI have always had issues setting up an invidia card on any flav of linux04:28
ray_goldfish: ?04:28
ray_courtknee: its easy in kubuntu04:28
courtkneethat is good to know;  in case i switch machines04:28
courtkneei have a ati on this notebook04:28
courtkneebut like i said before;  everything was already configured nicely04:29
lscdspeaking of nvidia cards.... i'm not seeing the way in the user documentation to play with the init system04:29
ray_i have an ati ......u have to set it up if you want 3d support04:29
courtkneeone thing is the way it handles battery power..sorta strange...the fan and the HD kicks on and off every few seconds04:29
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goldfish/etc/init.d/kdm restart04:29
lscdahh, ok - so almost identical to gentoo; nice04:30
ray_!find libdvdcss04:31
courtkneeif i configured 3d support would KDE look any different?04:32
ubotuUbuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'libdvdcss' returned no results.04:32
lscdubotu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats04:33
ubotulscd: I give up, what is it?04:33
ray_goldfish: is that in multiverse or backports?04:34
goldfishhmm not sure04:34
goldfishmultiverse i think04:34
lscderm, wow, no wonder this is headache inducing04:35
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lscdaccording to kde, my monitor is running at 2048x1436 at 60 hz04:35
lscd1536, typo04:35
ray_not in multiverse04:36
lscdit doesn't even support that resolution04:36
lscd[i mean, it worked, but the docs never said it could do that] 04:36
lscd[and ye gads, was it flickery] 04:36
lscdyey ..... i've cranked down the resolution, and since switching to the binary nvidia drivers, it's not had really weird artifacts every time i move the mouse :p04:38
goldfishmust be ini backports then04:38
ray_goldfish: yeah i found it04:38
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ray_anybody know how to convert an avi to mpg?04:42
delltony_use avidemux04:44
ray_delltony_: how do i get that?04:44
delltony_have you tried apt-cache search  :)04:45
ray_i found it in backports04:46
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ray_delltony_: perfect exactly what i wanted :)04:48
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jsimonhow do i install rpm program ??? 05:07
crimsunjsimon: using 'alien'05:08
crimsunjsimon: you should refrain from installing rpms, though. Always use a native Ubuntu package if possible.05:08
jsimonok and were do i found prog for Ubuntu ? 05:09
goldfishthe repositories.05:10
goldfishif u using kubuntu, use kynaptic05:10
lscdjsimon: any luck with your earlier problem?05:12
jsimonI reinstalled lol 05:13
lscderm, why were you typing the root password, btw?05:13
lscdubuntu doesn't _have_ a root password, generally05:13
jsimonok 05:14
jsimonI am new to this it is my friend that told me to install that lol so i am all fucktup lol 05:15
lscdehh, ubuntu is a little non-standard in that regard05:17
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lscdinstead of typing the root password, if something needs root permissions, you type the command, but with 'sudo' before it, then type your _user_ password05:17
lscdie, to install, say, gforth, you'd type: sudo apt-get install gforth05:17
lscd<your password>05:17
jsimonok some thing going worg lol I am going in kynaptic it said to put i passw and i put the root and my passw and it is not working 05:18
lscddo you remember the username and password that you picked when you installed kubuntu?05:18
lscdso, type: sudo kynaptic05:19
lscdthen, type the password that you picked then05:19
jsimondosent work05:20
lscdok, type 'whoami'05:20
jsimonit sayd root that nothing05:21
jsimonand in the prog it is not working lol 05:22
lscdis there any error message?05:22
lscdok, is there a button that says 'k' in the bottom left corner of your screen?05:22
lscdwas 'root' the name of the user you added during install?05:23
lscdtype 'exit'; does the prompt change from a # to a $?05:24
lscdnow type: sudo kynaptic05:24
lscdand type your user password05:24
jsimonjsimon is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.05:25
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lscdhave you added more than one user to the system?05:25
lscdare you using the latest version of kubuntu?05:26
lscdweird - i've been using it for a couple of hours, and it Works For Me :p05:26
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lscddo you have any idea how you got the # prompt?05:26
jsimonno lol 05:27
_michaelwut r sum gud gaming channels?05:27
lscd_michael: i think freenode isn't very keen on gaming channels05:27
_michaelumm, what servers have good uns?05:27
lscdjsimon: ok, so if you press the up arrow twice, what command do you see?05:28
lscd_michael: no idea, i'm not a  gamer05:28
jsimonjsimon@ubuntu:~$ sudo kynaptic05:29
lscdok, and if you press up one more time?05:29
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jsimonjsimon@ubuntu:~$ su05:29
lscdok, press enter05:29
lscdwhat happened?05:29
jsimonthat it is password05:29
lscdok - type whatever you typed there the last time you ran that command05:30
jsimonroot@ubuntu:/home/jsimon #05:30
lscdok, you're root again05:30
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lscdtype gpasswd -a jsimon admin05:33
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_frankIt's ALIVE!!!! my wlan card was pretty painless to setup! (Atheros chipset chosen on purpose) but the settings don't seem to stick after I leave kcontrol. If I can't figure it out , at least I have you guys so everything should go well.05:33
lscd_frank: congrats on the painless part :)05:34
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_franknow to learn how to sniff out neighbours using this totally open router of ours05:34
jsimongroupe inconnu: admin05:35
jsimonroot@ubuntu:/home/jsimon #05:35
lscdgood; now type /etc/init.d/kdm restart # -- this WILL restart your graphical interface - come back once that's happened05:36
Tribunehi. can anybody help me how to get all package for kubuntu using terminal?05:36
_frankTribune: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop05:36
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_michaelk, i screwed up - I uninstalled konqueror and don't have the cd to reinstall it05:39
_michaelwhat repository can I use, or where can I get a .deb05:39
_frank_michael: do you have internet repositories setup?05:39
Tribunefrank... i just install kubuntu. it seem i can go to my terminal05:39
_michaelyea, but not the right one05:39
_frank_michael: you don't have hoary main?05:40
lscdapt-get install konqueror05:40
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_michaelidk, h on05:40
_michaelyep, i do05:41
jsimonstill not working the f...... passw in kinapik05:41
_michaelbut it keeps looking for the install from the cd, and I disabled the cd repository cuz i dunt have the cd05:41
lscdok, you're jsimon, and you're typing sudo kynaptic ?05:41
jsimonhevery app that thell me the pass it is not working05:42
lscdyou're typing jsimon's password, right?05:42
jsimonit just thell me password not my user name05:42
_michaelwhat repository is the one thats needed to get konqueror? - I can list the ones that im using if that'll help05:43
lscdjsimon: ok, type 'whoami'05:44
_michaelok, nm, i found it05:44
jsimonjsimon@ubuntu:~$ whoami05:44
jsimonjsimon@ubuntu:~$ 05:44
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lscd_michael: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Repositories05:44
lscdjsimon: ok, so if you type, say, 'sudo ls', it asks you for a password, right?05:45
lscdand if you type the same password as you typed at the graphical login prompt, what happens?05:46
jsimonjsimon is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.05:46
jsimonjsimon@ubuntu:~$  05:46
_michaelhow do u install a .bin file in kubuntu?05:46
lscdtype 'groups'05:46
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lscd_michael: probably ./myblah.bin05:47
lscdperhaps with a sudo before that05:47
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_michaelk, ty05:47
jsimonjsimon adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev lpadmin scanner05:47
jsimonjsimon@ubuntu:~$   05:47
lscdso you're not in the admin group05:48
lscdok.... what does grep admin /etc/group say?05:48
jsimonjsimon@ubuntu:~$ grep admin /etc/group05:48
jsimonjsimon@ubuntu:~$ 05:48
lscdok, type 'su'05:49
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lscdyou're root now?05:49
jesusfishthere an amarok 1.3-b2 deb around anywhere?05:49
lscdtype 'groupadd admin'05:50
lscdgpasswd -a jsimon admin05:50
lscdgrep admin /etc/group05:50
jsimonroot@ubuntu:/home/jsimon # groupadd admin05:51
jsimonroot@ubuntu:/home/jsimon # gpasswd -a jsimon admin05:51
jsimonAjout de l'utilisateur jsimon au groupe admin05:51
jsimonroot@ubuntu:/home/jsimon # grep admin /etc/group05:51
jsimonroot@ubuntu:/home/jsimon # 05:51
lscdand is the last line of the file /etc/sudoers:05:51
lscd%admin ALL=(ALL) ALL05:51
lscd[you can type 'cat /etc/sudoers' to check] 05:52
_michaelok, doing the ./*.bin doesn't do anything05:52
lscd_michael: ok, what does 'file ./blah.bin' say?05:52
goldfish_michael: what is the file?05:52
goldfishinstalling .bin files is messy05:53
_michaeli got sun java in a self extracting file05:53
goldfishwell, if u want to uninstall it.05:53
goldfishoh ok.05:53
jsimonroot@ubuntu:/home/jsimon # /etc/sudoers:05:53
jsimonbash: /etc/sudoers:: Aucun fichier ou rpertoire de ce type05:53
jsimonroot@ubuntu:/home/jsimon # %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL05:53
jsimonbash: fg: %admin: no such job05:53
jsimonroot@ubuntu:/home/jsimon # 05:53
_michaeljust says the command isn't found05:53
goldfish_michael: sh blah.bin05:53
lscdjsimon: nonono05:53
lscdjust type 'cat /etc/sudoers'05:53
lscdand visually compare the last line, with your eyes, to %admin [blah] 05:53
jsimon# User privilege specification05:54
jsimonroot    ALL=(ALL) ALL05:54
lscdok, is there anything after that?05:54
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lscdwhat does uname -a say?05:55
jsimonLinux ubuntu 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Fri Jun 24 16:53:01 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux05:55
_michaelCreating jre1.5.0_04/lib/deploy.jar05:55
_michaeldirname: too many arguments05:55
_michaelTry `dirname --help' for more information.05:55
_michaeldirname: too few arguments05:55
_michaelTry `dirname --help' for more information.05:55
_michaelwhat's that mean?05:56
lscd_michael: that you should use the ubuntu packages ;)05:56
hussamhow do I restart networking ( disable and renable networking ) from commnad line?05:56
_michaellol, but they don't seem to work when installing w/ kynaptic05:56
lscdhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java <-- _michael 05:56
JayParadiseanyone want to experiment with nfs mounts with me?05:57
_michaelk, ty, agin05:57
lscdhussam: /etc/init.d/networking start # or stop, to disable - at a guess05:57
JayParadisei enabled it, now need to utilize!05:57
lscdok, mine says apr 5 but is otherwise the same.... interesting05:59
lscdjsimon: add this to your /etc/sudoers file:05:59
lscd...... or not05:59
jesusfishthere an amarok 1.3-b2 deb around anywhere?05:59
jesusfish(that works with hoary)05:59
lscdthere's an amarok one; not sure about the version05:59
jesusfishlscd: 1.2.3 is what's in hoary right now06:00
_michaelk,nother problem, how do you use the terminal to delete an enitire directory even if files and folders are in it?06:08
_michaelnope, found a loophole, nm06:10
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patheloo, i have recently insatlled kubuntu linux. can anybody suggest any applications to add to my system. i am not that familiar with linux, but i would like to get the most out of it. btw, im using kubuntu as a home desktop system...thanks06:54
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jesusfishlscd: 1.2.3 is what's in hoary right now06:55
jesusfishthere an amarok 1.3-b2 deb around anywhere?06:55
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crimsunI don't think so06:56
Dhraakellianit's a less than 15 minute compile on my 2.4GHz p406:56
crimsunbreezy has 1.2.406:57
jesusfishcrimsun: I need one for hoary06:57
jesusfishhmm...maybe I should just upgrade to breezy06:57
jesusfishhow stable is breezy?06:57
Dhraakellian(I used to time it back when I used the cvs ebuilds for 1.1 and 1.2... it takes less time now that I tend to use kdesvn-build, which frees me from the need to make clean)06:58
jesusfishDhraakellian: ya, gotta get all setup for compiling then too06:58
jesusfishsoo lazy06:58
hussamthere should be an amorok 1.2.4 in hoary backports.06:58
Dhraakellianwhat about taglib 1.4?06:58
jesusfishhussam: what's the sources line for backports?06:59
hussamdeb http://mirror.brianpuccio.net/ubuntu-backports-repository/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted 06:59
hussamdeb http://mirror.brianpuccio.net/ubuntu-backports-repository/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted 06:59
paxbackports are official now, get them for ubuntu directly :)07:00
hussamoh yeah07:00
ubotubackports is probably .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted07:01
hussamyeah I have deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-backports main restricted universe multiverse  as well07:01
hussamanybody knows of any interesting 3rd party ubuntu repositories?07:02
paxyou want my list hussam?07:02
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paxlet me upload it somewhere07:03
lscdpat: what kind of program, in general, do you want?07:03
jesusfishhow stable is breezy now though?07:03
pati dunno whats good? multimedia, games, etc...good stuff for home linux desktops, thanks07:04
paxhussam: http://ninux.net/sources07:04
hussamok thanks pax07:05
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crimsunhmm, I'll work on a 1.3b2 deb for Hoary07:05
paxjesusfish: breezy have long way to go I hear, it'll be official in October07:05
pati installed some that i found from ubuntuguide.org and also sort of figutred out synaptic/kynaptic07:05
patjust wondering if anyone had an app that they really like, because quite perhaps i have never heard of it07:06
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ubotuROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed!07:07
hussampax: that just times out07:07
paxpat, http://www.google.com/webhp07:07
jesusfishno 1.2.407:08
paxhussam ew, one sec07:08
paxhussam http://neopeace.com/sources07:09
hussamok thanks that one works07:10
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mickSJust installed a 2nd hard drive...problem is, it comes up in /dev/ as hdd hdd1 hdd2 hdd5...what's the story?07:12
mickSI just want hdd...I'm sure existing partitions wouldn't cause this right?07:13
paxwhy not?07:14
hussampax: it could always be my connection. I have a lot of ports blocked by my ISP07:14
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paxhussam could be mine too, trying to find out :)07:15
mickSwell, when I fdisk hdd for example, it has partitions within07:15
mickSif "why not/" was directed at me07:15
crimsunjesusfish: I'm working on a 1.3b2 deb07:16
paxmicks then hdd1 hdd2 hdd5 are the partition, no?07:17
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mickSwhat I'm saying is that they show up as seperate devices...if I fdisk hdd1 hdd2 etc, they also have partitions on them07:18
paxhmm you're confusing me here :p aren't they supposed to be different devs?07:19
mickSno, I installed a new hard drive, and instead of simply seeing hdd in dev, I am seeing hdd hdd1 hdd2 etc...07:20
mickSlike it's made multi harddrives out of the one07:21
TestMADthose are partitions07:23
TestMADhdd is the main device07:23
TestMADhdd1, hdd2..those are partitions07:23
TestMADiy may be a refurbished and was never cleaned..07:23
TestMADthat would be messed up07:23
mickSwell, I've deleted all partitions from hdd, yet these others still show up07:24
mickSin devices...when I check them out they all still have a partition07:24
paxhow'd you delete them?07:24
paxif you deleted the partitions, shouldn't be there any more. weird07:26
mickSyes, I'm an idiot...forgot to hit 'w' to write :P07:26
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bobbydwhere had kdiskfree gone?07:34
pax!find kdiskfree07:38
ubotugtkdiskfree: (A Gnome program which shows free and used space on your filesystems), section universe/gnome, is optional. Version: 1.9.3-4 (hoary), Packaged size: 87 kB, Installed size: 324 kB07:38
bobbydthanks pax07:39
paxyou're welcome, but it's not what you're looking for I guess.07:39
bobbydit's weird that kdiskfree is not around, but that will do07:39
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crimsunjesusfish: I made 1.3 beta2 debs for Hoary07:50
crimsunjesusfish: they require the 3.4.2 libs noted in the topic.07:50
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crimsunjesusfish: http://sh.nu/~crimsun/amarok/07:53
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ray_room dead tonight07:59
crimsunmost people are probably heading to sleep if not already07:59
crimsuncan't speak for the south asians or europeans08:00
mickSit's 3:30pm here08:00
bobbydit's 7am here08:00
mickSand I'm still heading to sleep :)08:00
ray_2 am here08:00
bobbydme too08:00
paxau contraire, we had a party with cake earlier, you just came in late :-)08:00
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ray_u guys know when the next release of kubuntu comes out....is it the same as ubuntu?08:02
crimsunOctober 200508:02
paxlscd: how's it going :)08:02
crimsunlscd: if you were looking for amarok 1.3 beta2 debs, I posted them at http://sh.nu/~crimsun/amarok/08:02
crimsun(I know jesusfish was)08:02
paxgood man, I can use this08:03
ray_u guys use amarok......does it work with internet radio?08:04
crimsunsure does08:04
crimsuneven comes with a bunch of presets08:04
paxI use it with last.fm08:04
lscdpax: not bad08:04
lscdcrimsun: good to know, but i don't use amarok at all08:05
paxray_: last.fm your own personal radio, give it a shot08:05
ray_i only use live365 is there better radio services?08:05
crimsunlscd: I did a simple /lastlog -regexp08:05
crimsunlscd: no biggie, I understand08:05
paxshoutcast, google stations, xiph, basic.sh ... many of them out there08:06
ray_which ones are free?08:07
paxstreamtuner has'em all08:07
lscdhehe.... i didn't even know of most of those08:07
paxoh and punkcast.com lol08:08
ray_im looking for actual live radio not preset songs like live36508:08
paxyou'll 'proly like last.fm08:09
ubotupax: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?08:10
paxubotu  Last.fm is a personalised online radio station that plays the right music to the right people. Songs spread from listener to listener.08:10
ubotuokay, pax08:10
ray_is there any system tools or antivirus programs that I should have?08:11
paxI dont think you need av for linux (yet), system tools as in?08:13
ray_yeah prob not av ...... but is there spyware for linux?08:14
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ray_u think people will start writing virusus for linux?08:15
lscdthere are some08:15
lscdnone of them have spread in the wild though08:15
lscdit's possible, but at this point, having an anti-virus for linux is pointless08:15
ray_why would people write computer virusus.....it makes no sense08:15
lscdas anti-virus programs are purely reactionary08:15
lscdray_: a number of reasons, some lousy, some good08:16
ray_some good?08:16
lscdit could teach you a fair amount about executable files, their format, how they're loaded, etc08:16
paxcrimsun: E: Couldn't find package amarok_1.3-0ubuntu0hoary1_i386.deb ;(08:17
lscdray_: there are a few viruses out there that are amazing08:17
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lscdand people rarely write things like polymorphic, self-modifying code for other purposes08:17
ray_lscd: i need to write a virus that transfers money into my bank........lol08:18
lscdbeyond that, if you wanted to be malicious, or harvest a lot of processing power, it could be an effective, though illegal when in applied in such ways, way08:18
lscdray_: sure, expect it to take all of a few hours to be caught ;)08:19
lscd_spreading_ viruses is quite morally different from writing them, i think08:19
ray_lscd: yeah im sure08:19
lscd[fwiw, i do neither.] 08:19
ray_what language are most linux apps written in?08:19
lscdalthough you'll find many in other languages08:20
lscdespecially perl, python, etc - there's an increasing amount of c++, some java08:20
lscdsourceforge.net will be happy to give you more info ;)08:20
ray_kde is c++ right?08:20
lscdalthough it uses some things, like its own string type, in preference to the standardized bits08:21
lscdand has its own preprocessor, moc, etc08:21
ray_lscd: does your name stand for the term commands ls and cd08:22
ray_lscd: no reason08:22
ray_nice ....08:23
lscdhey, i had a dearth of creativity when i came up with it ;)08:24
ray_lscd: do you use kde?08:24
ray_why not gnome?08:24
lscdi find modern gnome ugly, and modern kde nice08:25
ray_yes 08:25
ray_me too08:25
lscdi hated kde 2.x, and liked gnome 1.x enough08:25
lscdbut i hate gnome 2.x, and like kde >= 3.208:25
ray_kde looks a hundred times better08:25
lscdi've been underwhelmed by xfce, icewm, etc, and i never managed to warm to windowmaker08:25
lscdi'd agree08:25
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lscdaside from that, technologically, i think kde is a lot sounder08:26
lscd[than gnome] 08:26
lscdnot that that would stop me from using gnome if it was nicer ;)08:26
ray_yeah can you help me with something?08:26
lscdi can try08:26
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ray_ok in regular ubuntu with gnome i installed samba and could print to my printer upstairs on my xp machine.....now under kde i have found no way to do that08:28
lscdkprinter ?08:28
ray_yeah i tried......it just doesnt work08:28
lscdsmb:/ ?08:28
lscd[in konqueror] 08:29
ray_it doesnt show the printer......and it worked in gnome...it makes no sense08:29
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lscdwb, buz 08:30
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lscdray_: hm.. i've never used smb08:31
paxugh, I always assumed .ch domains were chinese08:31
lscdnope, that's .cn08:32
lscdthis is switzerland08:32
lscdcommon mistake though08:32
jesusfishcrimsun: awesome, huge thanks08:32
jesusfishcrimsun: (for amarok packages)08:32
paxray_: try swat, it's crap but can make your smb configuration breeze08:37
ubotufrom memory, swat is Samba Web Administration Tool | sudo apt-get install swat | http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/swat.8.html08:37
ray_ok installed08:40
ray_when i try and run it nothing happens08:40
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paxray, use your browser localhost:901 login as root08:41
paxmake sure you have root account 08:42
ray_i od08:42
paxI mean root account enabled, cuz it's not by default in kubuntu08:43
ray_yeah i had to enable it08:44
ray_to play enemy-territory08:44
paxswat will not like your regular account/pass (will not give you all option) that's why I said it's crap08:44
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ray_so log in as root08:44
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virgis_.ICEauthority crashing, why?08:47
jesusfishany one know of a 2.6.12 kernel package?08:48
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ray_<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">08:48
ray_<body><B>/msg nickserv register &lt;your-password&gt;</B></body>08:48
lscdyep, but no idea about for ubuntu08:48
jesusfish(for hoary)08:48
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paxisnt that what breezy has now?08:50
jesusfishpax: not sure08:51
jesusfishpax: but 2.6.11 is messed up in hoary08:51
jesusfishpax: and 2.6.10 has huge issues compiling lirc08:52
ray_really messed up08:52
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paxyeah I think I saw it in Colony CD 208:53
jesusfishpax: can I use it in hoary though?08:54
paxoh boy, I wouldn't but what do I know08:54
jesusfishpax: I could just grab a vanilla one and build from scratch, but I try to keep everything in my system using debs08:55
paxask in #ubuntu or the list, many smart folks would be happy to help08:55
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paxhussam, cho ammo, connection issues? :-)08:58
insanekanehello all08:58
hussampax: you mean with irc?08:58
paxwith your isp08:59
hussamprobably so but most sites use port 80 or 8080 so I'm ok08:59
hussamand everything like irc, pop3 and smtp works fine.09:00
paxglad to hear09:00
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alexbrhello, I need help09:46
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alexbrmy monitor is at 640x480 resolution09:46
alexbrI need to bring it to 1280x102409:47
ubotuI heard resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto09:47
alexbrI've tried to change xorg.conf09:47
alexbrbut resolution doesn't change09:47
paxchecked the wiki?09:48
alexbrnow I'm checking09:48
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udzinarihello people10:27
ubotuudzinari: I haven't a clue10:27
udzinariubotu: ?10:28
ubotuudzinari: I give up, what is it?10:28
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fredersoni just installed kubuntu on my system and i'm having some display issues10:41
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fredersonwhen my display manager starts I get out of frequency on my monitor. I tried switching to gdm instead to see if it helped, but it's the same thing. Any suggestions?10:42
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alexbrhello, still having problems with video resolution10:53
alexbrI've tried to change the default depth and also the video driver, and reconfiguring everything via dpkg10:55
alexbrbut nothing changes10:55
fredersonwhat's the problem?10:56
alexbrmaybe the fact that I have two video cards (one sis integrated and a nvidia)10:56
alexbrresolution at 440x48010:56
alexbrinstead of 1280x102410:56
fredersontry control + alt + +10:56
fredersonin kde10:56
alexbrnothing happens10:57
alexbrin kontrol center10:57
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alexbrI've tried also to change the resolution10:57
fredersoncontrol/alt/+ should change your resoloution i believe10:57
alexbrbut I only see 640x480 and 320x200 res modes10:57
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alexbrdoesn't work, do I have to turn block num off?10:59
fredersonshouldn't have to10:59
DJ_NecrogamiBoo @ Googling may become illegal in canada .. ~.~ http://www.globetechnology.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050712.gtgoogle0712/BNStory/Technology/10:59
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fredersonmine changed... but now my screen is all kinda fubared10:59
fredersoncheck out your XF86Config file...11:01
alexbrxorg, would you say,,,11:01
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alexbrI have kubuntu 5.0411:01
alexbras far as I know it uses xorg11:02
fredersoneh... i may be looking at an old article... i'm browsing around some KDE articles for ideas11:02
fredersoni'm utterly confused at what has happened to my screen...11:06
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fredersonwhat should be stretched across my entire monitor is taking up a little over 1/4 of my monitor.. the rest is about half of another virtual desktop and some random pixels...11:07
alexbrwhat did you do?11:08
fredersonhah, well, this article i read told me about the control/alt/+ thing, so i tried it and this happened... it's supposed to cycle through resoloutions delared in the xf86Config file, so i tried to cycle back and it just gets worse :p11:09
alexbron my pc instead it seems that xorg doesn't read the resolution directives11:11
alexbrI've ereased the "640x480" mode and nothing happens11:12
fredersontry putting in the resoloution you want and restarting kde11:12
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fredersonsheezus... this is kinda silly11:13
alexbrlet's see whether it works11:15
buzyeah new thunderbird debs11:21
buznow if only they'd release those for every update11:21
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Hunchbackhey, what was the command to run commands from root?11:30
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Hunchbackwhat was it?11:34
Kamping_Kaisersudo 11:34
Kamping_Kaiserand it's not "from root" as such, but anyway11:35
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Hunchbackum, there was some text editor like vi, but newer...11:36
Hunchbackbut i forgot it's name...11:36
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alexbrif I remove my nvidia card it works with the sis integrated11:37
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salilcan anyone tell me how to change the keys used to cycle through the "Desktops"11:45
salilhelp .... anyone..??11:46
salilanyone.. awake..??11:47
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Hunchbackare mplayer and the wincodecs avaiable in the universe soruces?11:51
Hunchbacki just enabled them and updated, but apt can't find anything11:52
kasimhi, is someone succesfully using plone (2.0.5) with apt-get install on [k] ubuntu? There are packages, and install works for me, but the zserver seems to die ...11:52
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kasimHunchback: mplayer-586 works for me here11:54
ChoubakaHunchback: not in universe.11:54
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ChoubakaHunchback: not w32codecs at least.11:54
buzw32codecs are in marillats rep11:55
buzurl is somewhere in the wiki11:55
ChoubakaThey're non-free so they'd have to be in multiverse. However, you won't find them in official repositories. ./11:55
buzthey arent unfree, they are downright illegal11:55
ChoubakaMaybe in america or something. :P11:55
buzwell technically you probably must not rip out codecs11:55
buzsince they are freely available however, it's probably hard to make a case out of it11:56
kasimHunchback: am not sure, but i have it running here. dont think i did something special to it11:56
kasimi have multivers open though11:57
ChoubakaI don't think they would be illegal outside america even if microsoft made a case out of them :P11:57
buzkasim: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=4247311:58
ChoubakaThough perhaps I should get to know the licence better before saying these thins. :P11:58
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buzChoubaka: yeah or do as everyone else: who cares ;)12:01
Hunchbackdownloading the codecs now12:01
Hunchbackanother question: how do i see my partitions table>?12:02
buzqtparted is nice for that12:02
Hunchbackhm, it's not installed12:02
Choubakabuz: Well, actually I'm using OS X now so that codec package is irrelevant anyway. :P12:02
Hunchbacki don't want to edit it, i just want to see it so i can mount my drives12:03
Choubakacfdisk -l or something.12:04
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michihello everybody12:12
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Hunchbackok how to see my partitons table?12:17
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znhwhat does kubuntu mean? that it's a group that uses KDE ?12:18
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Hunchbackkubuntu is ubuntu installation that comes with KDE12:20
ma3xhow to display icon of kmail under the internet menu?12:20
znhAah, well I just did the base installation by typing 'server' after that I installed the xserver with KDE12:20
vegiVampK-Ubuntu, of course :-)12:21
vegiVampK people tend to add K to everything :-)12:21
znhyea.. someone said in #ubuntu that it means Kill Ubuntu :p12:21
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vegiVamphaha :-)12:21
znhthen blue - sorry seems to be the hardest would be stylefull12:21
vegiVampPersonally, I find it surprising that Ubuntu hasn't been renamed Gubuntu yet :-)12:22
ma3xcan anybody answer my question please?12:22
znhma3x: maybe in the Menu editor?12:22
vegiVampHunchback: either fdisk -l <device> or cat /proc/partitions12:22
vegiVampok, that one nuked his disk :-)12:23
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znhbut kubuntu is ubuntu with the wm named KDE right?12:24
kasimznh: yes12:25
thoreauputicznh: strictly speaking KDE is the KDE desktop running on the kwin window manager12:25
thoreauputicgnome runs on the metacity window manager12:26
thoreauputicbut that's slightly pedantic ;-)12:26
znhah yes I understand, gnome has as default gdm, and Kde has as default kdm :-)12:27
thoreauputichmm - those are display managers (login managers)12:27
znhI know12:27
thoreauputicOK :)12:27
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znhhmm I love the programming code expect12:28
thoreauputicznh: it's quite possible for example to run gnome with sawfish or openbox as window managers12:28
znhthoreauputic: yes I noticed that.. quite funny if they overlap each other xD12:29
znhbut gnome is so damn slow.. I can't understand how people can work with a microsoft acting machine like that12:29
thoreauputicznh: I use fluxbox mostly anyway12:30
znhhm fluxbox, yea that one is extreamly fast12:30
znhbut they should enhance the navigation in fluxbox12:30
znhyea, that should be a default for low-end machines!12:31
thoreauputicznh: what do you mean by "navigation" ? 12:31
znhthoreauputic: well, the navigation for e.g. starting a program12:32
P3L|C4N0IceWM it goes to be including in Ubuntu Lite12:32
thoreauputicznh: it's just a right-click menu - fine as far as I can see12:32
znhthoreauputic: I prefer buttons.. if they would exist in fluxbox - I'll be a fluxbox user12:32
thoreauputicznh: you can also set up your own keyboard combos to launch anything you wish12:33
thoreauputicah - a buttons man :)12:33
znhkeyboard combo's is extreamly cool12:33
znhqvwm is the most lighweight wm there is I bet12:34
thoreauputicznh: there are actually several programs to make icons on a fluxbox desktop if you want them12:34
znhthoreauputic: really?12:34
thoreauputicbut it seems a bit pointless - the DE 's like KDE do it better12:34
thoreauputicyes really :)12:34
znhyea the navigation in KDE is very god12:35
znh*good - lol12:35
DJ_NecrogamiGod too 12:35
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znh*godlike ;-)12:35
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znhNo such valid string12:36
thoreauputicnihilism, eh ? *grin*12:36
DJ_NecrogamiKDE > Gnome > Windows12:36
znh"Keyboard not found press F1 to continue" ... I love my bios12:36
DJ_NecrogamiHAHA thats awesome12:37
znhthey learned that from windows.. windows gives that sort of messages too12:37
znh"There has been not detected any supported PS/2 Mouse, Press OK to continue"12:38
DJ_Necrogamiwho's your mobo maker?12:38
thoreauputicznh: windows would probably say "Keyboard not found - press F1 to read license terms"12:38
znhMS-6330.. yea with the prefix from Microsoft :-(12:38
znhthoreauputic: :-D!12:38
znhmicrosoft made a new validation tool to find out If users has got a legal/ilegal windows version12:39
znhmy dad and my bro are ruined now :-P12:39
znhI bet the linux channels get larger now by this12:40
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znhlol.. 12:41
znhthoreauputic: qvwm is a good wm for ex window users12:41
znhanyways I got this motherboard http://www.msicomputer.com/product/detail_spec/K7Tturbo2.htm12:41
thoreauputicWindows: the only OS where you press start when you really want to stop12:41
znhMounting 6 mounting holes.12:42
znhwhat the heck is that supposted to be12:42
znhoh nevermind -_-'12:42
znhSpecial Features          Fuzzy Logic 312:43
znhthat explains all12:43
znhMSI K7T Turbo2 is Microsoft Windows XP certified.12:43
thoreauputicall your mobo are belong to us!12:44
znhBill Borg12:44
znhresistance is futile12:44
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DJ_NecrogamiASUS A7N8X-E Deluxe = Linux Certified :-D ... lol12:45
thoreauputicznh: some guy told me the "new" VISTA stands for Various Improvements Similar To Apple ;)12:45
znhwow.. that is just perfect12:46
znhthat's how microsoft started anyway :-/12:46
znhthey already have laywers against then12:48
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blehdiJayParadise: tset12:50
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nI'm running kubuntu w/ KDE 3.4.2 - why does it sometimes error 'Eject /dev/hdd failed' (my CDROM drive) when no open programs are using any files off that drive? How do i fix this?01:08
nI have to end the session to eject it!01:08
m0ns00neject -f shoud do it I think01:09
m0ns00nYou didn't have a window open which showed a directory listing?01:09
m0ns00n(I know it's corny that that has anything to do with it)01:09
m0ns00nThen it must be a runaway process01:09
m0ns00nOr a konqueror session that crashed01:09
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nno konq errors have occured- how might I locate the runaway process? This is some long-standing bug in KDE then?01:11
neject -f /dev/hdd doesn't work either- says its busy01:14
Hunchbackok people, i need some help01:15
Hunchbacki need to mount my ntfs drive01:15
Hunchbackbut i don't know how to check my partition table and what the commands are to mount ntfs drives01:15
nmore mounting probs eh? ;)01:16
nhunch: Look at /etc/fstab01:16
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nhunch: you dual boot XP + Linux?01:17
m0ns00nn: It's a problem - I've had the same thing. Looks like there's an unfixed bug in the linux kernel somewhere. I dunno01:17
m0ns00nn: Anyhow, it can happen - I've had the same problem and the only thing that fixed for me was a reboot.01:17
m0ns00nn: That was on Gentoo with a 2.4 kernel, I've also had the problem with 2.6 - I didn't file a bug report or anything though01:18
nmonsoon: For read/write access you need to setup up something called captivefs- never tried it01:18
m0ns00nMe neither, I'd expect it to just work01:18
m0ns00nApparantly it doesn't01:18
m0ns00nKubuntu hasn't failed me yet though01:18
nsorry. that last post was meant for hunch01:18
SkaagIs it possible that gaim is old in ubuntu?01:20
Skaag1.1.4 instead of 1.4.001:20
Hunchbackn: yeah, i do XP + linux01:20
Hunchbackbut i have 2 hdds01:20
Hunchbackand multiple partitions01:20
nm0ns00n: It absolutely AMAZES me that this bug is still there. Apparently 1000s of developers have been working on making Linux/KDE a viable desktop environment and the latest KDE still can't eject a CD with error. Oh dear!01:20
znhn: just unmount the cdrom, then it will eject01:21
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Hunchbackadvice me how to see my partition table so i can atleast know which drive to mount where01:22
nznh: nope. As root 'umount /dev/hdd' and it says its busy- what program is using I have no idea. I can't work it out.01:22
znhn: try /dev/cdrom01:23
m0ns00nznh: That would imply that we're stupid01:23
m0ns00nznh: It doesn't unmount01:23
nhunch: type 'df' at the console01:23
m0ns00nn: Should work with eject -f / -F01:23
znhwhy doesn't it unmount?01:23
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m0ns00nn: But didn't for me, but as I said, haven't had this problem in kubuntu01:24
m0ns00nznh: You tell me01:24
_stagehey. what command is used to list shares that I can mount with smbmount?01:24
znhsmbclient -l \\hostname01:24
nmons: -f command doesn't make any difference. Still says its busy. Must be some KDE background process then?01:24
Hunchbackcome on, someone help me :)01:24
buzor smb:// in konqi01:24
znh_stage: requires permissions on that machine01:24
nhunch: type df to see all your partitions01:25
znhn: and with the lazy flag ?01:26
nznh: wtf lazy flag?01:26
znhn: -l01:26
Hunchbackn: it shows just 201:26
Hunchbacknot my partitions table01:27
Hunchbackbut what's mounted01:27
Hunchbacki want to see the table01:27
znhcat /etc/fstab01:27
znhwhat do you mean by table..01:28
Hunchbacki need to see the list of drives and partitions01:28
Hunchbacklike fdisk would show it01:28
znhHunchback: try lspci01:28
nznh: no luck with -l either. I'll probably have to end the session to eject the damn thing again :(01:28
znhn: that's kinda stupid indeed01:28
Hunchbackso i can know if i have to mount hda2 or hda3 etc... i know my drives by size so i can judje what's what01:28
znhHunchback: lspci :-)01:29
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znhwon't help you lol duh01:29
nThere are loads of optical drive problems with Hoary though- I hope CDs and DVDs will be accessed at full speed and eject properly out of the box in Breezy!01:29
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znhI can eject my cdrom player01:30
znhI didn't access it via konquer01:30
nIf I kill the konq thread thats going to get rid of half the desktop innit?01:31
ni've not got any konq windows open tho01:31
znhomg.. I still can't understand.. there are 2,8 milion people connected to edonkey servers xD01:32
nznh: eh? and?01:32
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znhn: that's kinda much :-)01:32
znhand the FBI/CIA does nothing01:33
nznh: thats probably because they're not bothered or they actually WANT the music/video industries to crash01:34
znhn: I agree with them then, it's too expensive01:34
nbut then again, some studies have reported that p2p users buy more music than those who don't01:34
nuse p2p01:35
buzwhy should the fbi be bothered about p2p?01:35
znhwatch out with your advices..01:35
buzdoesn't really hurt anyone01:35
buzi'll stick to it, people wouldn't buy more music if there was no p2p01:35
znhthey would ;-)01:35
nI'm a musician myself, and I support edonkey as I want to see commercial music die01:35
znhn: Haha!01:36
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buzi pay for something that has value01:36
buzi.e. concerts01:36
buzcds have no value01:36
nbuz: thats right. musicians will still be able to earn a living off touring- if they're any good, of course01:36
buzsomething that can be duplicated nearly infinitely for zero cost should be  sold at nearly zero cost01:36
znhI buy music when I want it in some higher quality01:37
buzthat happens rarely for me01:37
buzmost is such crap that it simply isnt worth to btoher01:37
nbang on01:37
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nI'm eagerly awaiting amule 2.1 - kademelia support!01:38
znhn: why don't you use mldonkey, it's even more lightweight with his many GUI's01:38
znhn: mldonkey supports from bittorrent to edonkey (including kadmelia)01:38
nznh: couldn't get it to work last time i tried01:39
znhn: there's a source package that works perfectly01:39
nwhy is it better than amule- does it access soulseek too?01:40
znhIt's so extreamly lightweight, amule is very much asking01:40
nso the mldonkey in hoary is a bit dodgy then?01:40
znhI never trust binary's that has something to do with p2p01:41
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znhbecause there can be other code in it01:41
nwhat other code?01:42
ni don't understan01:42
znhwell they could have edit the code, and build a binary of it01:42
nyou saying that the debian/ubuntu maintainers might add some evil hack to p2p progs01:43
znhthat could be possible01:43
nI think you're being a bit too paranoid there01:43
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znhI agree01:43
znhbut that's just how I am01:44
nHave you anything to back up your suspicions?01:44
znhsorry I don't understand that last word01:44
nsuspicion = The act of suspecting something, especially something wrong, on little evidence or without proof01:46
nunfounded beliefs01:46
znhwell.. I like my life..01:47
znhanything that might ruin it puts my gaurds up01:48
znhmy gaurds = my shields or something01:48
znhbut maybe Iam a bit paranoid01:49
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nAny kubuntu devs here?02:14
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nWhy doesn't kubuntu come with ksysv as standard and why isn't kcontrolcentre in the default K menu??02:16
iuliuxdo u have kde 3.4.2?02:16
iuliuxthe kcontrol problem is a resolt of updatind to kde 3.4.202:17
iuliuxyou have to add it yourself with the kmenu editor02:18
iuliuxjust add kcontrol02:18
iuliuxand save02:18
niuliux: yeah, thats right!02:19
iuliuxglad to help02:19
nI can't kill the gam_server with the KDE process manager- suppose I'll have to do it as root from the prompt then eh? How do I do that?02:20
nlist processes, and kill a process02:21
nservices, or whatever I'm talking about :)02:21
nI need to permanently get rid of this gam_server really so  can eject CDs without hassle in the future02:22
Kamping_Kaiseryou can kiill it from konsole02:23
nhow? How do I remove it permanently?02:24
Kamping_Kaiserdepending how it launches you may or may not be albe to turn it off permanantly with ease02:24
nWhat? This is why I dumped windows- thought I could change anything under Linux!02:24
Kamping_Kaiserin konsole type "ps aux |grep gam_server" and "sudo kill *****" where *** is the process number02:25
Kamping_Kaisern you can... just wether ei can help is the question02:25
Kamping_Kaiser*wether i02:25
Kamping_Kaiseror you can try sudo killall gam_server02:25
nWhoop! I've just managed to eject a CD! Amazing desktop Linux 2005 eh?02:26
nThanks Kamping!02:26
nNow what about telling gam_server to do one permanently?02:27
nI really don't think I have any use for it, do I?02:28
nI wish to vanquish my box of the evil gam_server- anyone?02:29
nI couldn't see gam_server listed under ksysv02:30
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thoreauputicn: permanently killing gam will result in some weird stuff (like directories not refreshing automatically after changes IIRC)02:33
nthor: oh cack! I can't recommend anybody switch to Linux with this sort of shite still going down :(02:34
thoreauputicit's the replacement for fam ( File Alteration Monitor) I think02:34
nHopefully KDE 3.5 will feature 'Now ejects CDs when you want'!02:35
thoreauputicn: try this for CD eject problems :  sudo chmod +s /usr/bin/eject   (works for me (tm) )02:35
nthor: Cool! Just did that! hope that will solve me probs!02:36
thoreauputicn: the command I just gave will make eject think it is running with root privileges - and it's permanent02:36
thoreauputicsome would regard it as a security risk, by the way02:37
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nsecurity schmurity! Whos gonna be bothered hacking into my box- theres f^& all of any interest. I'd much rather be able to eject a disk without reading volumes on unix02:38
thoreauputicreading volumes on unix will help you avoid tearing your hair out, however ;-)02:39
nOh! I'd love to if I had the time to spare. The whole point of KDE though is that its supposed to shield me from all that and just let me get on with using my frickin' PC to do something productive. Desktop Linux ain't here yet!02:41
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nAnyway, thats my daily does of Linux bitching over with now- gotta eat! :)02:43
numm, dose02:43
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lesshastehi... what kernel is in the latest live cd?03:12
lesshasteanyone in?03:12
jpatrickI am03:13
Kamping_Kaiser2.6.10-5 is the default i think03:13
Kamping_Kaiserit could be 2.6.803:13
lesshasteah.. ok thx03:14
lesshasteI need 2.6.1203:14
paxyou want Breezy Badger (Colony CD 2) then03:15
lesshastethx very much03:20
sociopathlive is 2.6.10-503:21
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paxlive what, kubuntu?03:23
Kamping_Kaiseror Ubuntu03:25
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znhhmm are there variants for vmware?03:26
ubotuznh: Are you smoking crack?03:26
znhubotu: do you?03:27
ubotuznh: Are you smoking crack?03:27
znhwhat's wrong with that bot03:28
znhI didn't say anything..03:28
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Kamping_Kaiseryou went !03:28
metelliusis there any way to remove openoffice 1.1 without removing kubuntu-desktop? i'm interested in upgrading to openoffice 203:28
Kamping_Kaisermetellius: no03:29
Kamping_Kaiseryou can install 2.0, but you loose the mettapackage03:29
znhare there more variants?03:30
Kamping_Kaiserznh. what do you mean03:30
Kamping_Kaisermetellius: it is a virtual package03:30
znhI'm searching a variant for vmware03:30
Kamping_Kaiserif you install the one virtual package it installs a whole heap of real pakcages03:30
znhnevermind anywa03:31
Kamping_Kaiserznh do you mean a virtual machine or mvware varients03:31
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metelliusbut I actually can't upgrade, I'll have to have both 1.1 and 2.0 installed?03:32
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arminhello, please help03:33
Kamping_Kaiseryou can remove Kubuntu-dekstop, it's just the pakckages that rely on it are the problem03:33
Kamping_Kaisermetellius: i have both03:33
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Kamping_Kaiserarmin: about what?03:34
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znhomg need cookies03:35
pax!find cookietool03:37
ubotucookietool: (A team of programs to help you maintain your cookie database), section universe/games, is optional. Version: 2.5-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 25 kB, Installed size: 116 kB03:37
arminmy Kubuntu has seriously stuffed up03:37
armini'm in the mid of burning a dvd so i dont want to restart03:37
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jpatrickso don't03:38
armineverything on the screen is like colour static, but in colour03:38
jpowersarmin: have you tried ctrl+alt+f7?03:39
arminonly like a few things work like the menu and the input txt box, I have to copy this conversation to openoffice to read it03:40
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arminit does nothing03:41
arminwait, i pressed ctrl+alt+f8 then ctrl+alt+f7, and now it looks alright. THANK YOU03:43
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roberthow can I configure kubuntu that it uses subfs or something like it. thats the only problem that keeps me from installing it on normal user computers. I install currently suse as it work with usb sticks really good.03:44
void-Is there a way to see which process that uses a alsa-device?03:45
lesshastehi... anyone tried the "ATI Proprietary Linux x86_64 Driver 8.13.4 for Radeon Xpress 200 Series" drivers?03:45
armincan anyone help me with downloading/installing wine on kubunu?03:46
metelliusso... how do I start openoffice 2? 'openoffice' is for the old version...03:46
metelliusarmin: sudo apt-get install wine03:46
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arminReading package lists... Done03:48
arminBuilding dependency tree... Done03:48
arminPackage wine is not available, but is referred to by another package.03:48
arminThis may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or03:48
arminis only available from another source03:48
arminE: Package wine has no installation candidate03:48
metelliusarmin: do you have the universe repository available?03:49
jpatrickhave you enabled backports, etc...03:49
Kamping_Kaiserwine is in the standard repos03:50
Kamping_Kaiserjust nto sure where03:50
armini just installed the system from cd, first time running, only expirience with linux is knoppix03:50
Kamping_Kaisertry asking ubunto03:50
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arminand my sound never worked, with kubuntu or knoppix03:51
jpatricksudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list03:52
jpatrickI hate Wine03:54
arminis there anything else to use for win apps03:54
jpatrickCrossOver Office (non-free)03:54
metelliussorry to say this, but if you want win-apps, use windows.03:54
jpatrickI just stay away from ANY Win apps03:55
metelliusarmin: run alsamixer in console, make sure that a device called "extern" (or something like that) is muted. i had that problem on my laptop03:55
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arminmy system did it again, most of the frames on konqueror, and everywhere else just turned to fuzz, mainly pink03:56
`NomadGood morning all :)    How do I find out the specific name of a package I have installed?  I'm used to doing an rpm -qa | grep package_name03:56
jpatrickwhy not change the rpm to deb ? :)03:57
`Nomadpink fuzz?  You might hav eteh Paris Hilton theme installed03:57
`Nomadjpatrick:  I installed quake2 yesterday using apt-get.  Now trying to remove it with all dependencies03:58
`NomadI'm pretty sure there was a quake2-maps or something.. 03:58
`Nomadcan't figure it out03:58
arminit keeps on happening...03:58
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`Nomadarmin: Is it your video card failing?03:59
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arminit might be, this is the first time i've installed linux on my system. its an nvidia card04:00
`NomadDid you install the nvidia drivers from nvidia directly?04:01
armini didnt install anything04:01
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`Nomadok, so just plain defaults..04:01
`NomadI'm no expert, but I find that things are better for me once I install the nvidia drivers..04:01
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`Nomadnvidia cards here too04:02
`Nomadarmin: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-23739.html04:03
arminalright, will try04:03
`Nomadbut it may be that your video card is screwey. I think that the drawing functions are handled by the card and not by software04:03
arminjust what was metellius talking about run alsamixer in console, make sure that a device called "extern" (or something like that) is muted.04:04
`Nomadso if you consistently get fuzzy frames no matter what you do? Probably is the card..  Sounds like that to me anyway ;)04:04
arminalright thank you! :D04:04
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arminlol i know i'm hounding you with lots of newbie questions04:05
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`NomadWe,re all newbies :)04:06
`Nomadat different levels04:06
armini've gotta go04:06
arminmaybe be back...04:06
aspexirgendwelche deutschen hier?04:07
aspexhm... nein? sicher? :-)04:07
`Nomadno idea.. LOL04:07
`NomadI was trying to say no04:08
Kamping_Kaiseraspex: i don't have enough to help ;)04:08
aspexkk :-(04:08
Kamping_Kaisertryed Kubuntu-de?04:08
aspexah, good idea, thx04:08
`Nomadso, back to my question.. :)   How do I list the packages I have installed on my system.  I'm used to rpm, this is new to me04:09
`NomadI want to see what quake* packages I have installed04:09
Kamping_Kaiser`Nomad: using dpkg --get-selection |grep quake04:09
Kamping_Kaisersorry, wasnt around for your question ;)04:10
aspexoh: [403]  kubuntu-de That channel doesn't exist <-- not good :-(04:10
Kamping_Kaisertry #Ubuntu-de, and say there's no Kubuntu channel... or try and ask here04:11
aspexok, thx ^^04:11
Kamping_Kaisergood luck04:11
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Kamping_Kaisernot a lot happening now04:13
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morodosoy novato04:21
`NomadKamping_Kaiser `Nomad: using dpkg --get-selection(s) |grep quake  <---  missing an s  ;)04:22
morodoalguien ke me ayude04:22
morodoy ke sepa espaol04:22
Kamping_Kaiser`Nomad: sorry :S04:22
Kamping_Kaisermorodo: Ubuntu-es or Kubuntu-es04:22
`NomadKamping_Kaiser: Just in case others were taking notes. hehe04:22
`Nomadworked fine04:22
Kamping_Kaiser`Nomad: no, thanks for the corrction :)04:22
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`NomadThe forums are excellent, very helpful.  I just followed one thread on compiling and installing the mplayer plugin. Works great :)04:30
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`NomadI'm really geting to like this Kubuntu :)04:30
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Kamping_Kaiser:) kdes not my thing, just feels wrong04:31
Kamping_Kaiserbut if it floats your boat go for it04:31
`Nomadbut, with so many Ks in your name???  lol04:32
Kamping_Kaiserdifferent reason04:32
apokryphos`Nomad: yup, sounds like another case of a closet-kde-devoutee ;-)04:32
Kamping_Kaiser`Nomad: what time is it at your place?04:36
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SgeoWhat version of KDE is on the regular Kubuntu LiveCD?04:37
Kamping_Kaiserwhaever comes with the install, sorry i don't know which though04:39
SgeoAfter I install Kubuntu, can I upgrade KDE?04:40
apokryphosSgeo: current is 3.4.2. Hoary had 3.4.004:40
SgeoWhat are the differences?04:41
SgeoNo interface change?04:41
apokryphosnot really04:41
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`Nomad11:52.. Sorry was away enjoying the mplayer-plugin at atoms-film :)04:52
Kamping_Kaisernot far off me04:53
`NomadI'm in Canada's east coast04:53
`Nomadtrying to learn to swim for when the glaciers ar edone melting04:53
`Nomadyou're in Kanada?04:54
Kamping_KaiserI'm in central Australia, it's 00:24 here :)04:54
`NomadI'd love to visit Australia04:54
`NomadI might one day, found thi skewl site yesterday, http://www.couchsurfing.com04:54
Kamping_Kaiserlol cool04:58
Kamping_Kaisersorry, helping people :S04:59
`NomadKK: Well thanks for your help, time for me to move along :)05:00
`Nomadbye all05:00
`Nomadgreat channel05:00
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apokryphosnikkia: how are you today? 05:06
nikkiaapokryphos: tired05:06
nikkiaapokryphos: just walked about 5 miles to buy a dsl modem05:06
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apokryphosGah. Hope you didn't have to pay too much there05:06
nikkiaapokryphos: 5.6 is all i get, but its significantly more than 2 :P05:06
nikkiaapokryphos: 49 from pc world :/05:06
apokryphosI can get a fair idea of how much things cost at a computer market I go to. I just take a third of the PC-World price05:06
nikkiaapokryphos: well, the way i see it, i'll have a spare dsl modem when bulldog's gets here...05:06
apokryphosI remember once we really needed a data-cable (ones that connect HD to motherboard), and it was 16 at PCWorld, and 3 at CM05:07
apokryphosYeah, that's true. New speed feels good, don't it? ;)05:07
nikkiaapokryphos: it was that or argos05:07
nikkiaand argos wanted 79 for a wlan/dsl modem05:07
apokryphoshehe, Argos is classic05:07
nikkiathis pre-owned xbox game i bought freezes at the loading screen05:08
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apokryphosWas that from 5 miles away too?05:09
nikkiano, that was 10 miles away, the pc world was a 2.5 mile walk from the town i went to05:09
apokryphosAlso, how'd you know that your BB was up-n-running? Did they tell you?05:10
nikkiastatus on my order page turned to 'delivery complete'05:10
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apokryphosIn other news, the manager has proved his supreme organising skill by allowing 5 (half of) the workers to go on Annual Leave :|05:11
apokryphoshad to scrounge around today for someone to do the early shift; I nearly had to end up doing it :|05:11
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apokryphos18 hours of LoTR can drag on a bit, I'd imagine :P05:12
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apokryphosactually, probably would've finished it before then.05:12
apokryphosGotta go out for a bit; bbl05:13
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znhi'm wondering.. is there a keyboard shortcut to iconify everything?05:31
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maceowquick question to the forum...is there a quick way to add shortcuts to specific file locations on the desktop? For instance, shortcuts to /home or /etc.05:42
maceowI'm sorry, specific folder locations, not file.05:43
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Skaaganyone knows if there's a deb package of the latest GAIM?06:13
Skaag(version 1.4)06:13
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spatialguruhi all06:28
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spatialgurugoing to install kubuntu, so many friends are raving about it.06:29
spatialguruBut I'm a bit stuck at the moment, I don't have any blank CD's.  I have the bootable install iso though.  Can I setu pmy boot loader (grub) to boot from the iso file on my hard drive?  Any ideas?06:29
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jjessei thought there was, need to google it 06:39
spatialgurujjesse, thanks, I'm already looking..06:41
jpowersthat's a really great idea06:43
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jjessespatialguru i think you could do a network install off a floppy disk06:47
jjessesorry can't find any information right now06:48
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spatialgurutitle Kubuntu Install CD06:49
spatialguru    kernel (hd1,5)/src/distro/kubuntu/install/vmlinuz root=/dev/hdb6 vga=0x31a splash=silent desktop resume=/dev/hdb5 showopts06:49
spatialgurudoesn't seem to do it.  Oh well..06:50
nikkiaspatialguru: is hd1 the cdrom ?06:52
nikkiaoh, wait, i see06:53
nikkiano, it is very unlikely to work, grub doesn't do cdrom emulation :P06:53
spatialguruarg.  that's what I keep reading :)06:53
spatialguruBut these are actual files on my ext2 filesystem/harddrive, not just the iso image.  I gave on the that already :)06:54
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painesare there any german users in here who know what to "set correctly" so that konversation display german umlauts ?06:55
painesfound it06:56
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RiggzyDarn, trying to run a program I just compiled and I keep getting a "Floating point exception" error... ah well, it *is* v0.2  ;-)07:00
lscdwhich program?07:00
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lscdehh, not precisely07:02
RiggzyWhere could i start to debug this?07:03
RiggzyIt's hardly a helpful error ;-)07:03
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nikkiariggzy, rebuild it with debugging info and run it within gdb07:07
Riggzy(just ran it in gdb without rebuilding, at least it gave some more useful info ;-) )07:10
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bwbHi... what is the proper package to play mp3's in Kubuntu (i.e. whatever would be the backend for amarok)07:18
nmsaanyone using ipcheck ? when I run ipcheck --makedat nothing happends07:18
jpatrickbwb: sudo apt-get install akode-mpeg07:19
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bwbjpatrick: thanks07:20
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bwbjpatrick: btw is there any kde equivalent of gstreamer... and a respective media player.. or should I just use something with xine/mplayer as the backend?07:20
jpatrickI just use amaroK07:21
bwbbhna: I was asking more specifically about the backend07:22
bhnaarts is the kde backend07:22
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bwbfor just audio or for both audio and video?07:22
bhnathere is no real equivalent for gstreamer07:23
bhnabut you can use gsteamer as backend for kaffeine07:23
bwbah 07:24
bhnaand for amarok07:24
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edvardashow to mount a hd?07:28
jpatrickclick on it07:29
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edvardasbut it says that it couldn't mount because it is not in fstab07:30
edvardasbut i entered it to fstab... and there seems to be everything ok07:30
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edvardasbut it doesn't mount anyway07:30
wellsohi ppl07:31
edvardashi wellso 07:31
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bhnaedvardas: what drive is it?07:32
jpatrickIs it safe to upgrade the kernel?07:32
bhnajpatrick: sometimes maybe07:33
edvardasbhna: it's hdb107:33
bhnaedvardas: what is the mountpoint?07:33
bhnamount -t vfat /dev/hdb1 /your mountpoint07:35
bhnamount -t vfat /dev/hdb1 /media/windows???07:35
edvardasi should typer /media/hdb1?07:36
edvardasbecause there are no windows07:36
bhnais there a directory hdb1?07:36
edvardasmhm yeah07:36
bhnamount -t vfat /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb107:36
edvardasbig thanks :}07:37
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bhnaedvardas: man mount could you give some more help ;-)07:38
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sadfhi folks08:10
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sadfi have a question : im currently trying to install kubuntu, and when i enter linux [...]  at the boot prompt it hangs at '...nic-extra-modules...', and when i enter expert i get no possiblity to patitionate the hard disk. so is it possible to call the partitioner from expert install mode?08:11
sadfand if yes, how?08:13
sadfor is it possible to boot with 'linux' at the boot prompt but not loading certain modules, e.g. the nic-extra-modules?08:14
sadfplease help someone, i'm not far away from suicide08:14
painessadf, iirc there is an option in ther instller no to load extra modules08:15
sadfin expert or normal mode?08:16
paineswhen the disk loads you can chosse between linux and expert08:16
painesand if you press f1 to f-something you can read about the options08:16
sadfyes i did that08:16
sadfok i look again if i find something08:17
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sadfhm there is nothing about loading modules...08:17
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paineshang on08:18
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painessadf: is it hanging like this : "Loading Components of the Ubuntu Installer" screen at 34%08:20
sadfyes, the component is nic-modules-extra....(i forgot the version number)08:21
Zactivixwhere can I get a good FTP program for Kubuntu?08:21
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sadfZactivix, try gftp (if you need a client)08:21
Zactivixone came w/DSL, would would think Kubuntu would have one :\08:22
Zactivixgftp in Konsole?08:22
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sadfwell, in the console you can use ftp08:22
Hamsternikkia, are you about?08:22
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Hamster_nikkia: I was just looking for you :)08:23
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_nikkiahow on earth am i on twice ?08:23
Zactivixwhere can I get gftp, sadf?08:23
sadfpaines, it is nic-extra-modules-2.6.10-5-386-di08:23
JakubS_Zactivix: or just type ftp url in konqueror or any 'open file' dialog08:23
sadfZactivix, you can apt-get it 08:23
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sadfapt-get install gftp08:23
Hamster_nikkia: what was the name of that file you have to edit to get kcontrol back in the kmenu again?08:23
Zactivixlemme try that08:24
painessadf: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1022.html, there are a few people who had the same problem08:24
nikkiahamster, erm, eh?08:24
sadfpaines, thank you very much :)08:24
painessadf: there is also a suggestoipn how to get it wqorking08:24
painessadf:good luck08:24
Hamsternikkia: oh! I was certain it was you who told me that yesterday. My mistake then! :)08:24
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nikkiathe FAQ says 'see the documentation on how to setup DMZ'08:25
nikkiadoes the documentation mention how to setup DMZ? does it.....08:25
Hamsternikkia: sure, in chinese translated through russian in an appendix not provided by default08:26
nikkiahamster, it taunts me...08:26
nikkiathe http config *has* stuff about the DMZ08:26
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nikkiabut only in reference as to how to filter packets to the DMZ, i cannot find where the DMZ IP  is set :(08:27
sadfpaines, yes with the mkswap-trick it seems to work, thank you very much man you saved my life :)08:27
Hamsteraaha. you have to hammer that in manually. with spaghetti08:27
painessadf: no problem08:27
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HamsterWhy is it that with KDE 342 quite a few kde apps seem to be shipped with the kmenu display variable set to false?08:37
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apokryphosHamster: Kubuntu defaults, I guess08:40
Hamsterapokryphos: does anyone else find it, well, odd?08:40
apokryphosHamster: nah. No point in having the menus overcrowded08:41
HamsterApps like KMail and KNode are installed, but their menu entry is set to false.. that's really confusing for a dumb person like me!08:41
apokryphosHamster: no point, if you have Kontact08:41
necrogamiAnyone here have Cisco Equipment w/ IOS Software? If so .. you should read this ... [14:11]  *dose*
Hamsteryeah, but my logic goes like this. I want an email reader, I install kmail, yet I can't run it cause there's no menu entry. To me, clicking on kontact is not a logical step to try at all..08:42
_kayWell, but that is what Kubuntu is about08:42
gnajarAnybody has imported mail into Kontact from Outlook Express??08:43
_kayPicking one of the breed and supporting it well08:43
Hamsterwhat, being illogical, _kay ? :)08:43
apokryphosHamster: There eventually is meant to be disambiguation things for situations like this08:43
_kayWell, the choice certainly is not necessarily logical.08:43
_kayBut there is a choice...08:43
apokryphosHamster: good thing about this is that it encourages you to discover the kdepim integration08:44
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Hamsterapokryphos: I guess, I just find it confusing.08:45
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apokryphosHamster: what's the name it gives for kontact?08:46
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Hamsterapokryphos: I spose too it's perhaps easier for a newcomer to adapt than an old fart like me. I've been doing it "another way" for far too long.08:46
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apokryphosi.e. for KCalc I think it has "Scientific Calculator (KCalc)"08:46
fredersongreetings all08:46
Hamsterapokryphos: I've set my kmenu up so it displays "kontact personal information manager"08:46
apokryphosHamster: your point is valid though; a n00b wouldn't know what Kontact is08:46
apokryphosPersonal Information Manager might suggest it, but not really certain, I'd say08:47
apokryphoshi frederson :)08:47
_kayThe point is absolutely valid... indeed08:47
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Hamsterapokryphos: to me (at least, I'm probably odd in this respect) a pim is little handheld device like a palm or something, and I don't own one of them, so I'm not even going to go poking round in an app I don't think is relevent.08:47
_kayActually, I would assume an addressbook behin PIM08:47
_kayNot necessarily email, but I am not native English08:48
_kayThe thing is, if it was named "Outlook only better", more people understood it08:48
Hamster_kay: I agree totally with your assessment. Address book, birthdays, little things like that is PIM08:48
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_kayHistorically, kmail was not in kdepim, but kdenetwork08:48
apokryphos_kay: ;-)08:49
apokryphosMac is better for this, it seems to me. Mail is called..... Mail.08:49
Hamster_kay: absolutely. KNode too was in network08:49
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fredersoni'm having some video issues with my new kubuntu install. when my display manager starts at boot (i've tried kdm and gdm) my monitor goes out of range for a bit.08:49
HamsterI have no idea where knode is hidden now08:49
_kayWhich made more sense, now, Mail is THE main application of kdepim, isn't it?08:49
Hamsterfrederson: is you xorg.conf file sane for your monitor?08:49
_kayFor almost everybody?08:49
apokryphos_kay: not necessarily. KMail only joined pim recently in fact08:50
_kayAnd then, akgregator 08:50
Hamsterthis is the first time I've seen kmail in pim, so it's all new to me.08:50
_kayHow is that going to be personal information?08:50
_tomhi, could anyone tell me how to format a second hdd i've just added?08:50
_kayIt's the "guilt" of upstream KDE though, Hamster 08:50
_kayThey made that for KDE 3.3 methinks.08:51
Hamster_tom have you partitioned it the way you want it?08:51
_kayAnd Kontact indeed is so good, you normally don't want to use KMail as a separate anymore08:51
fredersonHamster: it appears to have identified it correctly.08:51
Hamster_tom: partition and then use mke2fs to put either ext2, ext3 etc. see the man page if you want other filesystem types08:51
Hamsterfrederson: does it come right after the flicker?08:52
_kaymkfs _tom08:52
Hamster_kay: after playing with kontact these last few minutes, I can see what they've done seem to makes sense, it's just realising in the first place that email is accessed through kontact.08:52
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_kayas a type I think people recommend ext3, _tom08:52
_tomthanks, i'll have a look...08:53
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_kayIsn't it on kicker by default, Hamster?08:53
fredersonHamster: it's right when I would expect to see my login screen. I did notice a process running called "kdm_greet" is that relevant?08:53
Hamster_kay: yes, kontact is there, but it comes back to the idea that if I install kmail, and want to use kmail, then I go looking for a menu entry called kmail. I wouldn never have thought of clicking on kontact to get email, simply because kontact sounds like an address book organiser08:54
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_kayyou don't install kmail with Hoary, do you?08:54
Hamsterfrederson: I08:54
_kayIt was already, not?08:54
_kayI hope, this will be addressed in the future, Hamster. The thing is "PIM" sounds professional.08:55
_kayAnd that the Kontact people want to be.08:55
Hamster_kay, yes it was installed automatically, but when I found kmail not listed in the menu, I checked with dpkg to make sure it was installed. I saw it was installed and that's when the confusion started08:55
_kayWell, you were confused by using other systems than Kubuntu.08:55
Hamster_kay: if you say so :-) I sounds like marketing speak to me, but I'm not representative of people in general.08:55
_kayIn a way, you may say, that is not necessarily a problem of Kubuntu08:56
Hamster_kay: I've never been confused like this before with other systems :-))08:56
_kayLike some naive windows person may expect to find Outlook, because it means Email :)08:56
Hamsterfrederson: Does the login screen appear at all?08:56
qbiti used to use kmail/knode as separates, but the akregator news feeds integrated into kontact are what tipped me over to using it08:56
Hamster_kay: yeah :) But if you want to cater only to windoze users, you'd need to rename all your apps :-)08:57
apokryphosmake them begin with W08:57
_kayhehe, wontact08:57
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_kayKDE 4 will teach people those new names, I guess08:57
apokryphosHamster: I guess the downloading and wanting to run it is another argument for checking the handbook ;-)08:58
apokryphosawareness of them just isn't nearly as high as it should be08:58
Hamsterapokryphos: I spose.. I just didn't think I'd need a handbook to get an app going I've been using for years under deb :-)08:58
gnajarHello !08:59
_kayI think, Kubuntu will in the future support "Task Agents".08:59
fredersonHamster: eventually. when it happened, i would always control/alt/F1 and make sure 2 weren't running or anything crazy, but I think it works after a few seconds08:59
apokryphosHamster: you always use the menu? :|08:59
_kayYou pick what you want to do and it explains how you do it and guides you through.08:59
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_kayI personally prefer ALT-2 and typing kontact :)08:59
Hamsterwhere has knode been hidden now?08:59
apokryphosI don't have a kmenu at all...09:00
Hamsterapokryphos: that's one way of doing things :)09:00
apokryphosIt's useless :P09:00
_kayWell, people explore new, not known systems with menus first09:00
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_kaySo it makes sense for the default setup09:00
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apokryphosSure. But after some time ;-)09:00
_kaywell, and not everybody prefers typing of course09:01
Jwir3Hey Everyone.  I am trying to install nvidia drivers for a friend of mine.  I always get confused as to what I have to do after installing the linux-source and linux-headers.  I know I have to untar them and then create a symlink or two...but to what directory?09:01
painesi just discovered that you can drag those nasty ladies from konqueror to the desktop and set it as wallpaper09:01
painesthis is son windows and so cooooooooooool09:01
_kayAnd not everybody does do the same things all the time, like e.g. how do you know the games in KDE?09:01
_kayson win?09:02
Jwir3paines: nasty ladies?09:02
painesso windows09:02
_kayI am shocked :p09:02
painesjust nice lingerie09:02
HamsterJwir3: the last time I installed the nvidia drivers I didn't have to create any links. The nvidia installer does it all. Just run it09:02
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Jwir3Hamster: The problem I am having is that I downloaded the nvidia installer direct from nvidia itself09:03
Hamsterdrag n drop. wave of the future ;)09:03
painesapokryphos: me too, sine 2 minmutes ago09:03
HamsterJwir3: yeah that's what I'm talking about. You should just unzip, and there's a .bin file you run09:03
Jwir3Hamster: nvm, I guess it works now that I installed the headers pkg09:03
apokryphospaines: you can find out a load of more "cool tips" from ktip, btw09:03
painesapokryphos: hahahha09:03
_kayAnd uncool, overages ones too :p09:03
painesokay 09:03
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apokryphos(really :P)09:04
_kayNot even lingerie may help there09:04
painesbut now I had to get this netgear wlan usb stick working09:04
apokryphosi.e. Middle-Click on desktop09:04
apokryphosor Alt+F509:04
fredersonis there a repository that I can add to my sources.list that would allow me to apt-get Xfce?09:04
apokryphos!info xfce09:05
ubotuxfce: (The Cholesterol Free Desktop Environment), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 3.8.18-2ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 907 kB, Installed size: 2548 kB09:05
_kayshould ne in universe?!09:05
apokryphosfrederson: enable Universe09:05
Hamsterfrederson: it's in my respositories and I've got nothing unusual...09:05
fredersoni assume the instructions for doing so are on the website?09:07
ubotumethinks repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto, or repos09:07
apokryphosjust uncomment the line with "Universe" in /etc/apt/sources.list09:08
apokryphosthen sudo apt-get update09:08
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_kayLong live Kubuntu :p09:11
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Hamsterapokryphos: you mentioned before referring to a handbook, which handbook are you referring to?09:13
master_of_puppethi, how do I get the "show desktop" icon in kde?09:13
apokryphosHamster: i.e. kmail09:13
apokryphosHamster: help:/kmail in Konqueror09:13
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apokryphosmaster_of_puppet: right-click -> Add to Panel -> Special Button -> Desktop Access09:13
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master_of_puppetapokryphos: thx09:14
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Hamsterapokryphos: the problem with the handbook (for kmail at least) is that it doesn't tell you how to actually access kmail. It just assumes you're running it. 09:17
apokryphosif you don't know how to run an application then you should be in the userguide :)09:18
_kaywell, common, it is NOT in the menu09:18
Hamsterapokryphos: huh? I'm trying ot point out that running the kmail userguide doesn't tell you anywhere that to run it you have to run kontact...09:18
Hamstersame with knode. Where's knode? It's help file doesn't tell me where kubuntu has hidden it :)09:19
apokryphosHamster: no, I'm saying that if you don't know how to run an application (which is a basic presupposition I'd say), then you should be in the userguide, kde help.09:19
_kayWhat's missing is a task center in KDE.09:19
Hamstergah. its helpful.. no apostrophe09:19
apokryphos_kay: that's basically what about:konqueror is09:20
_kayAfter not finding it in the menu, he rightfully assumed that it is not installed09:20
_tomhi, i'm getting errors about drives not being able to access drives. any idea?09:20
_kayBecause nobody but Kubuntu hides the apps in this way from the menu.09:20
apokryphosNot sure if that's a fair presumption. It could be, I guess.09:20
apokryphos_kay, Hamster: you should post that on the Mailing List09:21
_kayWell, it would be a repition of a repeated flame war09:21
_kayI am not a spark.09:21
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apokryphos_kay: flame war? How so?09:21
apokryphosand when did that happen before?09:22
Hamsterapokryphos: the user guide does not help at all either. It was written in 2003! And doesn't help me find knode. I know knode is installed, but where has kubuntu put it?09:22
apokryphosHamster: it's been upgraded several times since09:22
apokryphosHamster: it tells you how to start applications09:22
_kayHiding kmail will not go well for all users.09:22
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Hamsterwell then kubuntu is supplying an old version, there's nothing in my helpcentre09:22
_kayTo suggest them would be even worse than when they removed konsole from kicker09:22
_kayEven though there was a case for that :)09:23
apokryphosHamster:Revision 0.0.1 (2004-06-16)  -- and it's getting revised as we speak 09:23
Hamsteraah, well that's still not new enought to tell me where knode is? which I might add, I still can't find :)09:23
_kayBTW, akgregator still HAS its own icon with me here09:24
apokryphosHamster: whatt?? It tells you how to start around 99% of apps09:24
apokryphosit's not going to give you a specific entry on each one...09:24
frankMy wlan connection works but I don't know how to activate it at startup. The kcontrol networking module doesn't seem to want to do this. The option "activate at startup" is there but when I select it, it doesn't actually stay that way. ANy ideas09:24
_kayurm, where in applications:/ is either kontact or kmail?09:26
_kayI am too silly too find that09:26
Hamsterthe knode manual tells me knode is found under "internet entry". Only on kubuntu, *its not there*09:27
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apokryphosHamster: I think we established this about 20 minutes ago09:27
Hamster_kay: kontact is under office applications09:27
_kayOffice, but I am at home!09:27
_kayAnd i checked :p09:27
Hamsterapokryphos: right. so where the hell is it then? I can't find any documentation that tells me that!09:28
Jwir3When I click "Administrator Mode" in the KDE Control Panel, and enter my root password, sometimes it kicks me back to a KDE Control Center main page, without authorizing what I want it to do.  Any ideas why?09:28
Hamster_kay: that's part of my objection to it all, but I thought I'd better keep my mouth shut :)09:28
_kayI really only have koffice and openoffice thing there and yes, evolution09:28
apokryphosHamster: I think we already established 20 minutes ago, as I said, that it's not in the menu. Why you're still looking for it is kind of beyond me09:28
_kayapokryphos: And where is Kontact in applications:/09:28
apokryphos_kay: Office09:29
_kayAh, sorry, it is there, exactly in the middle09:29
_kaymy bad09:29
Hamsterapokryphos: I'm still looking for it because I would like to run the application. I would like to click on a knode icon somewhere, without having to resort to the CLI09:29
apokryphoswhich is bad arranging, since half of kontact's stuff is in Utilties09:29
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apokryphosHamster: arguable whether alt+f2 is really CLI :-S .... but if it's not there then it's not there. Looking there won't make it appear09:29
apokryphosif you want it there now add it to your menu09:29
_kayALT-F2 is called "minicli"09:30
apokryphosit is?09:30
_carlosgreetings from Venezuela 09:30
Hamsterright, so why is it disabled by default? It's installed, why doesn't it appear in the menus? That's all I'm trying to say. It's awfully confusing how things are set up.09:30
apokryphos_carlos: hi _carlos 09:30
apokryphosHamster: I've answered this question at least twice. You can still disagree with the reasons provided09:30
_carloswow, lot of people09:30
apokryphosbut denying that they've been presented is kind of... odd09:31
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_kayIt could be put under a menu "Others...."09:31
apokryphosAll suggestions for the mailing list. These suggestions won't go too far here09:31
Hamsterapokryphos: you answered for kmail. kmail is part of kontact. there is no news reader in kontact, only an rss thing, which is not the same09:31
apokryphosHamster: and?? I don't think it's too much for me to assume that the same would be applicable to KNode, if it's not in the menu09:32
_kayThere is Hamster, knode is part of it09:32
_kayIt may be that you have to enable the component in Kontact configuration though09:32
apokryphosI'm not going to say it for every application that doesn't appear in KMenu :|09:32
Hamster_kay, where? 09:32
_kayConfigure Components or so?09:33
_kayI am not running kontact on this machine, .... :p09:33
Hamster_kay: aahh there it is :) thanks for that!09:33
_kayAnd then, why does akgregator have its menu item still :p09:33
Hamsterapokryphos: I'm not trying to argue with you, but what's gone wrong here is that you've assumed I could see knode in kontact, and that simply wasn't so, hence my discussion on trying to find missing knode09:33
apokryphosHamster: heh, well, you never did mention that09:34
apokryphosall kdepim is integrated under Kontact though09:34
_kayBut not by default, obviously09:34
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Hamsterapokryphos: ok I didnt, I didn't realise that I was supposed to be able to see it there! And when you talk of kpim, to me, kmail and knode come from kdenetwork. I didnt' know that had changed either.09:35
apokryphosdoes KNode not come with default Kubu install?09:35
_kaySo to read NNTP news, you need to find kontact, enable the news component and have no chance to know09:35
Jwir3When I click "Administrator Mode" in the KDE Control Panel, and enter my root password, sometimes it kicks me back to a KDE Control Center main page, without authorizing what I want it to do.  Any ideas why?09:35
Hamsterapokryphos: it seems to come with it, but it is not enabled in kontact by default. hence I never saw it09:35
apokryphosHamster: knode and kmail are kdepim09:35
neversfeldeI have the same problem in kcontrol09:35
HamsterJwir3: enter your user password? not the root password09:35
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apokryphosJwir3: known bug. Not sure, but I think it's fixed fo rmost in 3.4.209:36
Hamsterapokryphos: that's something else I've learned today.09:36
apokryphosJwir3: in the meantime just alt+f2 -> kdesu kcontrol09:36
_kayapokryphos: But how do you know that public news is personal information being managed?09:36
Jwir3Hamster: they are the same09:36
Jwir3apokryphos: oh, ok, thanks09:36
HamsterJwir3: aah ok. believe apokryphos. He knows what he's talking about. 09:36
apokryphos_kay: valid point, as I said. 09:36
_kayWhat's really needed is to browse tasks09:36
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_kayAnd then get assisted with that09:36
_kayBrowsing applications goes only so far.09:37
apokryphoswhat would you suggest?09:37
apokryphosthere's a lot that goes under kdepim, that's why.09:37
_kaySome konqueror about: addition09:37
_kayapokryphos: Mail, contacts and todo's are personal, what else?09:37
HamsterI find lumping things like "news" under personal information an odd choice.09:37
apokryphosIt's not just news though, it's "your news"09:38
Hamsterbut that could be related to the way people understand english.09:38
_kayIt was done because knode and kmail made sense to marry09:38
_kayBoth show things that are not entirely the same09:38
Hamsterapokryphos: yes. It's open to interpretation really. The way I've grown, PIM means something different.09:38
apokryphosit would do good for a lot of people to read this http://kontact.kde.org/components.php09:38
_kayMy first mail program did that too, and people flamed it to death then :)09:38
apokryphosbut it seems like bad usability if someone has to read a site before they can run a basic program09:39
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_kayYeah.... apokryphos, why not create something that describes how tasks are accomplished in KDE09:39
_kayHow do I ...09:39
apokryphosThat's what the User Guide should be09:39
apokryphosfar from complete though09:39
_kayOr Ubuntu for that09:40
apokryphosYes, there's a *lot* of Kubu documentation in-the-making09:40
_kayWell, I agree with that. But it is already good.09:40
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apokryphoslooks like they have really great plans09:40
apokryphos(as in, "huge plans")09:40
_kayI admire people with writing skills deeply, I can only code :)09:40
HamsterI just personally find it a shame that you have to hunting through doco to find out how to run email. Not too user friendly.. but that's just me09:40
_kayHamster: You have to understand that Kubuntu started and released after 6 weeks09:41
EvanMcConehow i can fuse amarok with the playlist09:41
apokryphosIt's a basic error when people presume "doccers who can't code, do documentation". Practically the whole of the KDE doc team can code, but they just doc instead09:41
_kayFrom start to release that is incredibly short time.09:41
apokryphosEvanMcCone: err, fuse?09:41
Hamster_kay: yeah :) it's fantastic.09:41
_kayFor Breezy, about everything will be much more settled.09:42
apokryphosEvanMcCone: do you mean move your collection to the playlist?09:42
_kayAlso, KDE 3.4 was new then... 09:42
Hamster_kay: I tried to download a lib from breezy ysterday and it wanted to uninstall my shiny new kde :)09:42
_kayIt was a big stunt, but not everything is in place like Ubuntu09:42
apokryphosEvanMcCone: what exactly do you mean, then? :)09:42
EvanMcConei want convert amarok and her playlist in a only window09:42
EvanMcConeunderstand me? :D09:42
_kayHamster: Well, the C++ transition likely?09:42
Hamster_kay: I didn't stick around to find out :) I just hit N and moved on to something else :)09:43
EvanMcConeamarok and playlist are a two windows but i want two windows in 109:43
apokryphosEvanMcCone: no, amaroK is one window.09:43
_kayHamster: I am running Breezy right now, but it hurts sometimes... and mirgrating from Hoary will be no easy09:44
apokryphosEvanMcCone: unless you have the xmms style enabled... do you?09:44
EvanMcConenooo i want amarokkk :D 09:44
_kayHamster: It's more or less, all or nothing and at once 09:44
EvanMcConebut the playlist is other window  xD09:44
apokryphosEvanMcCone: Yes... but if you have the "xmms style" enabeld in amarok then you get *two* windows09:44
Hamster_kay: yeah, like going from testing to unstable with deb. Upgrade one thing and pulls down the whole distro09:44
apokryphosEvanMcCone: the default amarok is *one* window09:44
EvanMcConeoks xD09:44
EvanMcConeplaylist is other window xD09:45
_kayHamster: Well, if you know Debian, you sure lived through transitions with Debian too09:45
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apokryphosEvanMcCone: do you have two like this: http://www.kde.org.tr/rsm/amarok.png09:45
_kayHamster: I think for gcc3.2 there was one back then too... now Ubuntu has managed to go to gcc4.0 and I think Debian is about to09:45
_kayHamster: But then libs and programs of different compilations start to conflict09:46
EvanMcConeyeeeeeeees but in a one window :D09:46
Hamster_kay: oh absolutely. The reason I'm trying kubuntu in the first place is cause kde is just faaaar too broken under deb at the moment, esp if you want kde 34x09:46
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apokryphosEvanMcCone: then you currently have xmms style enabled09:46
apokryphosEvanMcCone: to disable it...09:46
_kayHamster: Ah... :)09:46
apokryphosEvanMcCone: Tools -> First run wizard09:46
Hamster_kay: for the most part kubuntu has just worked, and worked magnificently. Just a few teething problems like poor knode missing :)09:46
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apokryphosEvanMcCone: then select "Single Window"09:47
_kayHamster: Hehe :)09:47
EvanMcConeweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee apokryphos  thx :D09:47
Hamster_kay: and the nice thing too has been that we can have a somewhat heated discussion in this channel without it degenerating into a shit fight. That's a nice change!09:47
EvanMcConei get two aplications in one window :D09:47
_kayHamster: Kubuntu is supposed to be the "Best of Breed with option to install anything else" distribution. I kind of like that.09:47
EvanMcConeapokryphos:  thx :)09:47
apokryphosno worries 09:48
_kayHamster: The debian channel was not so bad either....09:48
_kayActually one of the better ones too.09:48
Hamster_kay yes. It seems to be working too, for the most part. My next learning task is to sort out the deal with the various repositories like univerise, multiverse etc etc.09:48
_kayWell, easy.09:49
_kaymail is supported stuff09:49
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_kayeh, main I meant to write09:49
_kayuniverse is unsupported, free stuff, mostly from Debian, but recompiled against Ubuntu09:49
Hamsteraaah ok.09:49
_kayThen multiverse is non-free stuff 09:49
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_kayAnd "restricted" too....09:50
Hamster_kay, does doing apt-get install -t hoary (or -t breezy) work as I think it does? ie like doing -t unstable -t testing in deb?09:50
_kayYou can do that, but Ubuntu is not Debian09:51
apokryphos_kay: non-free or of "questoinable" license09:51
_kayYou are not expected to mix the two at all.09:51
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_kayThis has no testing either... and you will rarely if ever succeed anyway.09:51
Hamster_kay oooh ok, so it quite literally is one or the other.. gotcha.09:51
_kayI sometimes mixed in some Debian09:52
_kayBut truth to be said, a collegue killed his system with that badly09:52
HamsterI've mixed testing and unstable a fair bit.. I guess it depends on *what* you mix as to how much trouble you get in. I've heard horror stories of mixing, and people that have mixed without probs for ages...09:52
_kayI have done that like ever since testing existed.09:53
_kayNever had trouble with pulling KDE or gcc early from unstable.09:54
_kayI even used weighting as indicated in the apt HOWTO.09:54
Hamsterno, I didn't either until a couple of days ago :) But kde wasn't in unstable anyway, it was the alioth packages09:54
_kayYou get a default "testing" and "unstable" only where needed to satisfy explicit install of it09:54
_kayFor all I read, the KDE is halted for C++ transition09:55
Hamsteryes, but they've got unsupported packages in a repository on alioth.debian.org09:55
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_kayWell, I switched to Kubuntu in first place to leave alioth09:55
douglasOk, on the kubuntu known problems list, There are somtimes parenthesis that say fix uploaded, how does one aquire such a fix?09:56
_kayHave an amd6409:56
Hamster_kay: oooh nice :) 09:56
_kayThey support here amd64 already fully.09:56
_kayDoes Debian even have etch for it already?09:57
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Hamsterdouglas: I don't know. perhaps in updates?09:58
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_kayDo you have hoary-updates in your sources.list, douglas ?09:59
douglaslet me check09:59
Hamster_kay there's a daily build image of testing for amd64 :)09:59
_kayWell, I don't install new systems10:00
_kayThat AMD64 machine actually had copied my 5 years old system on it10:00
_kayMigrated it from 32 to 64 bit via chroot10:00
Hamsteroh wow :)10:01
_kayAnd then later crossgraded to Kubuntu10:01
_kayWell, at the time, nothing installed on it anyway10:01
douglasbut I still have some of the problems that they say they fixed in the known problems.10:01
_kayNo Gentoo, no FreeBSD, no Fedora... everything gave up at one point or the other10:01
_kaydouglas: And you did apt-get update, apt-get upgrade ?10:02
douglasIf I use universe packages, do I add hoary-updates lines for universe and not just restricted too?10:03
_kaydeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main multiverse restricted universe10:04
_kaydeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main multiverse restricted universe10:04
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_kayIs all you need for it, i.e. you can put it all on one line10:04
Hamster_kay, could paste your sources.list somewhere? I'd like to check it with mine :-)10:06
douglaswho me?10:07
douglasor day?10:07
douglasbecause I would like to see it too!10:07
Hamsterdouglas, I was asking kay :)10:07
_kaydeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main multiverse restricted universe10:08
_kaydeb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main multiverse restricted universe10:08
_kayWell, here I only have this10:08
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_kayI gave up on mixing in Debian... Breezy now has all I need. :)10:09
HamsterI think I'm missing some entries in my hoary-security line...10:09
douglaswhat about hoary, is breezy next?10:10
Hamsteryeah, breezy is the "up and coming"10:10
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_kayHamster: You can't expect security updates for universe, or can you?10:11
_kayYou can also execute apt-setup10:11
Hamster_kay my security line looks like: deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-security universe10:11
HamsterI didn't write that by hand, something else did.10:11
_kayIt creates a new sources.list according to your input10:11
_kayah, ok10:12
Hamsteryeah I ran that when I first installed10:12
Hamstercause the installer on the hoary kubuntu cd seems to have a bug while selecting mirrors. It only listed countries starting with up to the letter G and I needed the letter N :-)10:12
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douglasWhat is warty?10:13
_kayThe old release, before Hoary10:13
jpatricknext breezy10:13
douglasoh, I have some java stuff from warty, should I lose them?10:13
douglasI change them to breezy10:13
douglaserr.. or change them to breezy10:14
Hamsterdouglas: prior version to hoary10:14
douglasI know.10:14
_kayYou run what now, Hoary or Breezy?10:14
douglasbut I'd like to use the breezy packages10:15
douglasso I changed to that10:15
_kaywell, java is now gcc 4.0, so I would expect trouble10:15
jpatrickwouldn't you have to dist-upgrade?10:15
douglasdeb http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/ warty java deb http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/ hoary java10:15
douglasdeb http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/ warty java10:15
douglasdeb http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/ hoary java10:15
douglasbut what I'm asking is for instance, I have this -> whoops10:15
douglasyea, it was a separate one I added for java packages10:16
douglasbut I have one for both warty and hoary?10:16
_kayThat's useless10:16
_kayYou can safely remove that.10:16
douglasshould I get rid of one and change the other to breezy?10:17
_kayIt's only going to slow things down with apt10:17
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_kaydouglas: Well, without further actions, the latest will always win anyways10:17
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douglasoh, thanks10:17
douglasalso, what is the difference between deb and deb-src?10:18
eckharti'm looking for qt4 packages for kubuntu10:18
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_kayWell, with deb-src, the command "apt-get source" works10:18
douglasokey dokey10:18
Hamsterdouglas: src downloads source packages, as opposed to the binaries you install10:18
_kayAllows you to get everything in place to build deb yourself10:18
Hamsterdouglas: src packages allow you to compile your own debs10:19
_kayIf you don't do that, remove them, it only makes downloads of apt-get update more10:19
douglasOk, so should I keep hoary-updates or change it to brezzy-updates, or is there no breezy updates yet?10:19
_kayNot now, updates are now put into breezy of course10:19
douglasoh, I c10:19
_kayIt's for after the release.10:19
douglasbecause it's in development10:19
douglasbut I could get rid of hoary-updates if I have breezy10:20
douglasI c10:20
Hamsterdouglas, yes I think you can10:20
HamsterIt doesn't make sense to update breezy with hoary packages anyway10:20
_kayWith breezy, you can remove Hoary... :)10:20
_kayWell, if Breezy is broken, it helps to downgrade.10:21
douglasok, so one last question, should I add a breezy-security line or get rid of the security for now?10:21
Hamster_kay, this might seem like a stupid question, but I assume kde342 is in breezy?10:21
_kayThe xorg in Breezy was more broken than working so far :)10:21
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_kayYes it is, Hamster... but I think not bug free.... at least i18n doesn't work yet for me10:21
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_kayAnd you have to understand, Breezy is not like unstable.10:22
douglasit's development10:22
_kayTHere are things uploaded to Breezy which just don't work10:22
Hamsterits more like experimental?10:22
_kayAt the beginning, definitely yes.10:23
douglasjust the way I like it.10:23
_kayIt will become more stable...10:23
douglasDoes it crash often for you?10:23
_kayI too, btw... but my wife and me common machine is now on a stable distro for the first time ever :p10:23
_kayBecause Breezy breaks beyond ability to repair of mine...10:24
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_kayNow it's somewhat smooth, but my work machine e.g. cannot type | in X10:24
Hamster_kay, at least your other half uses linux :) My boyfriend is still using windows despite my best efforts to convert. I thought he'd find it embarassing if his girlfriend uses linux and he doesn't, but he doesn't seem to care :)10:25
_kayNothing installs xkbutils which contains xkbcomp which is essential for keyboard layouts10:25
_kayGeek Girl? :)10:25
Hamsterthat's me :-)10:25
_kayI only married after she showed me her operating systems course diploma :p10:25
lscdyey, we geek girls practically outnumber active geek guys on the chan right now10:26
_kayShe likes Linux (KDE) better than Windows, because it's easier10:26
HamsterI don't how my bf uses windows. He thinks I don't see all the reboots he does, but I do :)10:27
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Hamsterjwir3: we girls are proud you aren't a girl too!10:27
_kayWell, my wife makes jokes about me always repairing my Linux10:27
jwir3Hamster: yeah that's what I said10:28
jwir3I mean10:28
_kayAnd she is right, I like to bleed on the edge :p10:28
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_kayBut... but... is there Ubuntu Women? :pp10:28
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_kaySo, keep up the geeking... and Kubuntu is a good choice :)10:30
jpatrickwell said10:30
_kayI wish you a good night... :p10:30
douglasI'm doing an upgrade, 282MB to download *sigh*10:30
lscdthe package repository seems a bit small, but otherwise it's nice10:31
douglasThanks for your help everyone, hopefully I can be cool someday.10:31
jpatrickthat would take me about 1 hour10:31
douglasyea me too.10:31
Hamsterthanks _kay, for everything10:31
jpatrickmy max speed is around 55 kB/s10:31
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tomai'd like to pick up the dutch translation of kynaptic (if that is going to last). Any hints how to proceed?10:45
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Hamsterhave you got the kde-i18n-nl package installed?10:46
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kingohi every110:46
Hamsteroh. umm. Perhaps it hasn't been translated yet? I'm not sure.10:47
Hamstertoma, there's also a #kubuntu-nl channel - someone there might know.10:47
kingodoes anyone know why when my KDE loads up all my icons have moved position?10:47
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tomaHamster: it is not particulary crowded over there ;-)10:48
tomaHamster: any idea how the trasnlations are done for that app?10:48
Hamstertoma aah ok :) I've only popped in a few times and it was very quiet too10:49
Hamstertoma, not a clue. That's something you could poke around on the kubuntu forum, see who does the i18n stuff10:49
Hamsteror perhaps even go direct to the kde i18n mailing lists10:50
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tomaHamster: is the app in kde svn?10:50
Hamsterit's not part of official kde I don't think, it lives on kde-apps.org10:51
tomaok, thanks.10:52
Hamstertoma, have you tried synaptic? it works find under kde10:52
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fredersonhello all10:53
fredersoni'm having some troubles with my window managers10:53
tomaHamster: it is ugly ;-) kynaptic is better ;-)10:53
Hamster:-) synpatic has more capabilities, but that's the neat thing, the choice is yours :-)10:54
apokryphostoma: see KPackage. Kynaptic is embryonic.10:54
apokryphostoma: Synaptic is prettier with gtk2-engines-gtk-qt, too10:54
nikkiaright, last resort, email the manufacturer :/10:55
apokryphosnikkia: what happened/10:55
nikkiaapokryphos: i can't work out HTF to setup a DMZ on this modem10:55
nikkiaand without it, xbox live doesn't work10:55
nikkia(because i need the DMZ to point to my router)10:56
nikkiaapokryphos: i found an old version of the manual online, that said 'use the DMZ button in advanced setup', *i don't have a f' DMZ button!!*10:56
apokryphosI once sent an email for a router of mine... they sent me an email a month later asking for some details. Another month later they emailed again with ambigious response. And then..no more replies 10:56
nikkiaapokryphos: was that 3com by any chance ?10:57
apokryphoshaha. Is it definitely for your version?10:57
fredersoni got xfce up and running and my screen is doing wierd things... buttons are disappearing and pieces of windows are showing up on different parts of the screen10:57
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nikkiaapokryphos: i doubt it, but i can't find any way to set it up in my firmware :(10:57
nikkiaapokryphos: lots of controls for what DMZ packets should do, but nothing that actually lets me set the DMZ10:57
Hamsterfrederson: are you using xfce instead of kwin?10:57
apokryphosnikkia: I think it was OfCom or something10:57
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fredersonHamster: kwin? i was using KDE before...10:58
nikkiaapokryphos: this is a big company, thankfully, well, they were a big company, last time i dealt with them10:58
tomaapokryphos: okido. It was more a remark that it is english and not dutch and i want to change that, instead of me looking for a packet manager ;-)10:58
lscdfrederson: kde is a desktop environment, which contains a window manager, called kwin10:59
lscdif you're using kde and don't know otherwise, you're using kwin10:59
fredersonlscd: oh. excuse my terminology blunder :)10:59
apokryphosnikkia: Let's hope you get a response before the other modem 10:59
nikkiaapokryphos: the other modem is a lousy brand, i'd rather use this and leave the bulldog modem for a backup11:00
nikkiaapokryphos: but if i can't set up DMZ, this modem is useless11:00
apokryphosnikkia: kind of a shame to have a 5megabit-limit modem with bulldog11:00
lscdfrederson: no, no problem; it just sounded like you were a bit confused, and i hope it's clearer now11:00
nikkiaapokryphos: the modem isn't the limit there11:00
nikkiaapokryphos: i'm about 2km from the switch, that's why i get no higher than 5.7Mbps, very few people do11:01
nikkiaapokryphos: iirc, you need to be < 100m from the switch to get full 8Mbps :P11:01
fredersonlscd: well, KDE did this as well11:01
apokryphosStill, if it's "Bulldog in your area" you should be getting 8meg, shouldn't you?11:01
nikkiaapokryphos: no11:01
apokryphosMaybe they're snazzy and say "up to 8meg wow!"11:01
nikkiathey sell it as 'up to 8meg'11:01
fredersonlscd: but only in resoloutions higher than 640x48011:02
apokryphosnikkia: What's the max kb/sec you've been getting?11:02
nikkiaapokryphos: haven't really tried tbh11:02
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nikkiaapokryphos: the problem is, no speed tester will work because of this double-firewall issue11:02
apokryphosSpeed testers are hardly accurate, from any of the ones I've done11:03
apokryphos(they were on my old BB, fairly)11:03
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granbarrespawning too fast11:04
ztonzyapokryphos: hey :)11:04
nikkiaapokryphos: BT would be a nice way to test speed11:04
nikkiabut of course, BT won't work11:04
nikkialack of DMZ is fatal for me :(11:05
apokryphoshi ztonzy 11:05
apokryphosnikkia: avid player?11:05
nikkiaapokryphos: ?11:05
apokryphosWait to see how the bulldog one works out... if it does the job, then I'd say stick with it.11:05
apokryphosnikkia: xbox11:05
granbarDoes anybody know why I get respawning too fast errors when trying to run Live CD on my slaptop?11:05
nikkiaapokryphos: streaming media won't work without getting this DMZ solved11:05
ztonzyapokryphos: got debian now :)11:06
apokryphosztonzy: cool, how's it going?11:06
ztonzyapokryphos: sweet11:06
ztonzyalready got 3.4.1 :)11:06
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apokryphosNot bad at all11:06
ztonzya friend of mine who uses debian helped with it11:06
ztonzythe creator of the new konqi11:07
apokryphosThe circle of artists ;-)11:07
ztonzyalso installed "Crystal Clear" icon theme...sweet ones11:08
ztonzydunno how to install .jar for firefox/mozilla11:08
apokryphosYeah, they're nice. Was kinda sad that Konqueror and Konsole looked basically the same though -- two of the icons I see most11:09
apokryphosa lot of the other ones are really clean and nice from there though, definitely11:09
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fredersonok... these display problems are really annoying11:12
fredersonhas anyone had similar problems with intel onboard graphics?11:13
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apokryphosztonzy: how's your artwork coming along? :)11:14
ztonzyapokryphos: which ?11:14
apokryphosztonzy: any..   latest?11:14
ztonzyworking these weeks too11:15
ztonzyearly bird11:15
apokryphosnot working on any?11:15
ztonzypoking on the skeleton11:15
granbarThought so :)11:15
ztonzybut just trying out small stuff11:15
ztonzyit is pain the ass to rig a character11:15
ztonzynot rig11:15
ztonzybut put the "weights"11:16
ztonzyor "skin" it11:16
granbarWhat are you making, guy?11:16
ztonzyme ?11:16
supernixanyone happen to know why Mozilla and FF wont allow you to open links into a new tab ?11:16
granbarsupernix: Because There is no link, Neo11:17
granbarsorry 'bout that11:17
granbarztonzy: So what are you making?11:17
ztonzyhttp://hem.bredband.net/blendergfx/mr_tornado.png  that :)11:17
granbarAwesome. For a game?11:18
ztonzyfor maybe upcoming animations...small ones...11:18
ztonzynothing big11:19
granbarCool. But it looks great11:19
ztonzythanks :)11:19
ztonzywe'll see what I will do with him11:19
granbarbtw; You wouldn't happen to know why I get errors booting the Live CD in my laptop? I get errors just after it tries to start X.11:19
apokryphosztonzy: and how's blender development coming along? Are the devs active/11:20
ztonzyright now I 'fight' with skinning the bones to the mesh or the other way around11:20
granbarIt says "Trying to respawn too fast"11:20
ztonzyapokryphos: VERY!11:20
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ztonzyapokryphos: the main one (Ton Rosendaal) is in Siggraph as we speak 11:21
ztonzyshould be 'Roosendaal'11:21
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apokryphosThat's the conference thing, right? Cool.11:22
ztonzyfor development of 3d graphics11:22
granbarRosendaal... Danish?11:22
ztonzygranbar: dutch11:22
ztonzywell, the bones/skeleton , or Armature as we say :)11:23
ztonzyhave got major speeduo11:23
apokryphosgreat to hear :)11:23
ztonzyand mesh got its share too11:23
ztonzyand real mirrortool aswell...and a modifier :)11:23
ztonzylike in max11:24
ztonzytake a object/mesh...apply modifiers as you see fit, and play a bit...then remove them all...and object as from beginning it has same shape11:24
ztonzyor you can apply and delete the modifier, and it is changed for good11:24
ztonzydon't what it say to you or it is just crap in your 'ears' :P11:25
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ztonzysee you11:26
apokryphos'night ztonzy 11:26
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Hamsterapokryphos: thanks for your help earlier11:27
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pwolfehi i need some help with my nvidia drivers in kubuntu.  im a new kubuntu user and a little confused by things11:36
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pwolfeI've read the forums and seen how everything can be done through dpkg or synaptic, and I have followed those steps, but I still see no nvidia splash screen and the driver used in xorg.conf is "nv" where in my experience on other distro's it had to be "nvidia" am I doing something wrong here?11:38
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SgeoIs there a way to import/export settings in the KDE Control Center?11:43
painesSgeo: how do you mean ?11:44
SgeoBe able to export my settings, and use them at another computer also using KDE11:45
painesSgeo: kde and mostly all others apps on linux/unix are saving config files in the users home directory and starting with "." and the name11:45
painesfor kde this is /home/yourlogin/.kde11:46
painesyou could copy this recursivly to another box11:46
SgeoCould it fit on a floppy?11:46
painesit is very smal11:46
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Sgeohi Chris 11:47
Chrishey Sgeo 11:47
Sgeopaines, are the files from 3.4.2 compatible with 3.4.0?11:48
painesSgeo: not sure11:49
painesSgeo: best you ask #kde guys11:49
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tomaSgeo: what do you mean with compatible?12:00
SgeoIf I could take the config files from KDE 3.4.2 and use them wit 3.4.012:01
tomaSgeo: i would not count on that to havily12:02
frankSgeo: config from /home/username? those should work without too many problems12:03
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frankSgeo: they are made for that because you could be using the same home directory with different systems using different versions of KDE12:04

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