[12:40] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/dists--bazaar--1.5: new build (patch-68)
[12:41] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/bazaar--devo--1.5: --modified renamed to --modifying. rbrowse --show-sealed changed to --hide-sealed (patch-54: Matthieu.Moy@imag.fr)
[06:52] <dilys> New Malone bug 1627 filed on Malone by Daniel Robitaille: Bug report displays maintainer's name twice
[06:52] <dilys> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/1627
[11:53] <ddaa> lifeless: https://macquarie.warthogs.hbd.com/roomba/status/synaptic-main/events/88/log
[12:21] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial]  roketsync does not hardcode local location (patch-2193: david.allouche@canonical.com)
[01:59] <lifeless> ddaa: ola
[01:59] <lifeless> ddaa: whats up ?
[02:01] <j^> hi ddaa, lifeless just said you could help me with adding a cvs repos to arch.ubuntu.com
[02:03] <carlos> morning
[02:03] <kiko> ahoy pixies
[02:08] <lifeless> j^: ddaa should be around sometime soon. I've got to go into a day long meeting now though, so I won't be abnle to help much ;0. 
[02:08] <lifeless> ddaa - ping
[02:18] <ddaa> lifeless: pong, was having lunch.
[02:20] <ddaa> was just pointing you at synaptic's import saying something that could be translated as "lifeless is a lazy bastard that spends too much time playing doom, so this is Not Implemented."
[02:20] <ddaa> of course, I do not not support the first part of the statement, but the second part still calls for you intervention
[02:25] <lifeless> ddaa: that should be simple for you to impolement, it looks like a copy from a branch - i.e.a merge into  the mainline. it /might/ be appropriate to use the renamed file change, I haven't looked at the code right now, just guessing from the log
[02:26] <ddaa> ATM I'd rather focus on untangling the merge situation of cscvs and get the pending changes through the review process
[02:40] <lifeless> ddaa: so - can you help j^ ?
[02:40] <ddaa> hu... ah, right
[02:41] <ddaa> j^: yes I can
[02:42] <j^> ddaa ok, so what would be needed to get liboil to arch.ubuntu.com?
[02:43] <j^> if so cvs moved to cvs.freedesktop.org/liboil
[02:43] <ddaa> mh, does not appear to be there
[02:43] <ddaa> so, you need
[02:44] <ddaa> 1. an account on launchpad.ubuntu.com
[02:44] <j^> done
[02:44] <ddaa> 2. create a liboil _product_
[02:45] <ddaa> and fill in the details properly
[02:45] <j^> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/products/+new ?
[02:45] <ddaa> you're on the right track, yes
[02:46] <ddaa> hi debonzi
[02:46] <debonzi> ddaa, hi
[02:47] <debonzi> ddaa, how is it going?
[02:47] <ddaa> feeling like I'm the only one working here, everybody from this chan appears to be at Async
[02:48] <debonzi> heh
[02:49] <elmo> gar, the description field in malone doesn't respect formatting
[02:49] <elmo> HATE
[02:50] <ddaa> somebody gotta teach malone about ReST...
[02:50] <SteveA> ReST sucks
[02:50] <SteveA> especially for bugtrackers
[02:50] <ddaa> markdown?
[02:51] <bob2> docbook for data entry!
[02:51] <elmo> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/1628
[02:51] <elmo> I don't mean  formatting formatting
[02:51] <elmo> I mean things like, carriage returns :P
[02:51] <SteveA> i can probably find you an exaple of GvR writing in a bug tracker "ReST sucks for bug trackers!" after becoming very frustrated with trying to use it.
[02:52] <bob2> a ton of product descriptions are broken due to that
[02:52] <j^> ddaa now im listed as the maintainer, which i am not
[02:52] <ddaa> SteveA: I admit ReST is tricky, but bob2 is right. Something wiki-like is needed thorough launchpad.
[02:52] <bob2> j^: that's fine, you can change it later
[02:53] <bob2> I'm the maintainer of probably a hundred things in launchpad, most of which I know nothing about
[02:53] <elmo> guys, I don't actually want ReST or anything else, I want it to just work; I'm fairly sure bugzilla does, f.e.
[02:53] <ddaa> j^: the labelling is misleading, it's actually  only the launchpad product owner, there's a plan to make the distinction with the actual upstream and package maintainer
[02:53] <bob2> yes, even just respecting newlines would be a good start
[02:54] <j^> so whats the next step? 
[02:55] <ddaa> j^: now create a "main" branch, and sets the CVS details (edit source) and FTP details (edit series)
[02:56] <ddaa> (assuming that liboil releases from the MAIN branch and does not have fancy stable/experimental release, which it probably does not have since it's < 1.0)
[02:56] <ddaa> j^: not sure if I was clear,..
[02:57] <SteveA> elmo: please file a bug on the lack of preserving CRs
[02:58] <SteveA> elmo: there is an implemented spec on this, which has some heuristics on breaking lines and respecting CRs
[02:58] <SteveA> elmo: so, if it isn't working for you, it is very likely to be a bug that we can fix.
[02:59] <ddaa> j^: btw, nice description (we have manually review them before doing the import)
[03:01] <elmo> SteveA: ok, thanks
[03:01] <ddaa> j^: the main branch should have name='main' (the presence of this branch is going to become mandatory in the near future). I'll handle the renaming.
[03:02] <ddaa> j^: the HEAD is not a CVS branch, it's a "magic tag" that points at the end of the MAIN branch. (I'll fix it too)
[03:02] <j^> ddaa thanks, was not sure about HEAD vs main vs trunk
[03:03] <ddaa> it's all a bit confusing ATM
[03:03] <ddaa> tell me when you are done
[03:04] <j^> im done if you fix the two issues with main
[03:04] <ddaa> it's still missing ftp details. Click "edit series details" to edit them.
[03:05] <ddaa> (that's not strictly needed for cvs imports, but that saves us the trouble)
[03:06] <j^> ok added
[03:07] <ddaa> Good job,
[03:07] <j^> good guide
[03:07] <ddaa> Now, grab the attention of the importd operator, so he will make sure that gets run as quickly as possible.
[03:07] <ddaa> The importd operator is ddaa and he's usually in the #launchpad channel ;)
[03:08] <j^> done
[03:09] <ddaa> oxay, it's running, if you are lucky and that CVS repo is not evil, that should be out there within a couple of hours.
[03:09] <j^> nice
[03:10] <j^> and thanks for your help
[03:10] <ddaa> I'll update you about success or failure.
[03:52] <dilys> New Malone bug 1629 filed on Malone by James Troup: malone doesn't handle CRs in Description properly
[03:52] <dilys> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/1629
[04:10] <ddaa> j^: the import went well, but the publishing stage has been queued behind the daily syncs for other repos, so it's going to be a few hours before it will be online
[04:11] <j^> ddaa thats great, will have a look at it tomorrow
[04:11] <ddaa> that will be <http://arch.ubuntu.com/liboil@bazaar.ubuntu.com/liboil--MAIN--0> the archive already exists, but it's still empty
[04:12] <lifeless> ddaa: please use http://bazaar.ubuntu.com. arch.ubuntu.com is deprecated
[04:12] <ddaa> ack
[04:13] <ddaa> that will be <http://bazaar.ubuntu.com/liboil@bazaar.ubuntu.com/liboil--MAIN--0> the archive already exists, but it's still empty
[04:36] <stub> lifeless: I sent in a tag request for the next production release
[04:40] <salgado> stub, have you merged that zope patch already?
[04:41] <stub> salgado: No - I wanted you to see if it works before I merged it. I havn't tested it at all ;)
[04:42] <salgado> stub, I already tested it and mailed you saying it worked fine. didn't you get my mail?
[04:42] <stub> No, I did not receive that email.
[04:43] <salgado> weird
[04:43] <salgado> just bounced it, anyway
[04:43] <stub> lifeless: Can you please merge stuart.bishop@canonical.com/zope--setperms--3.0 into rocketfuel@canonical.com/zope--test--3.0
[04:48] <ddaa> j^: here it is
[04:49] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [rs=sabdfl]  Implement sorting for the Rosetta translation listing [for a template] , and fix status to sort correctly; also fix stats portlet wording (patch-2194: christian.reis@canonical.com)
[04:57] <carlos> and hides
[04:57] <Kinnison> carlos: my arms are fine, more forehead is almost better
[04:58] <ddaa> Kinnison: do you mean that poverty is a shame, or do you mean it about Sao Carlos?
[04:58] <Kinnison> carlos: I got up at, oooh, 9.45
[04:58] <carlos> Kinnison, ;-)
[04:58] <Kinnison> carlos: had a leisurely breakfast overlooking the beach
[05:01] <ddaa> the upsides of being at the right end of capitalism
[05:03] <Kinnison> ddaa: aye. How's your passport?
[05:06] <ddaa> Far away.
[05:06] <ddaa> Not yet came around applying for a new one.
[05:06] <Kinnison> Heh
[05:20] <dilys> New Malone bug 1630 filed on The Launchpad by Daniel Robitaille: The launchpad people search page should be easier to find
[05:20] <dilys> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/1630
[06:05] <ddaa> somebody in sao carlos please stick "david.allouche@canonical.com--2004/cscvs--native-cvs--0--patch-27" in the PendingReviews page, with summary "More native-cvs protocol work."
[06:06] <salgado> ddaa, I'm not sure if we should be editting the PendingReviews page this week. I remember SteveA saying that we will need to handle reviews via email this week
[06:43] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: SMASH bug page fixes into rocketfuel [r=stevea]  (patch-2195: mark.shuttleworth@canonical.com)
[07:26] <sivang> stub: man, I bet this domain cost a bunch :)
[07:26] <sivang> stub: or was it pre-registred for the project :) ?
[07:27] <stub> I don't know the details
[07:27] <sivang> stub: rehi ho btw :)
[07:27] <ddaa> I head the south african mafia was involved in the buyout ;)
[07:27] <sivang> ddaa: I could imagine, ROFL
[07:31] <sivang> ddaa: how big will launchpad become? I already have no grasp of how big it is, and how granular it can be :)
[07:31] <sivang> ddaa: (it was easy at least if to judge by the interface at the times of mataro :-) )
[07:32] <ddaa> sivang: if you've been at Matar, you've seen sabdfl, don't you?
[07:32] <ddaa> How big do you think he thinks?
[07:35] <ddaa> The plan: is big = all of free software, fine = every revision, translation, distribution package, bug
[07:35] <ddaa> I guess that's more the "ideal" than the plan :)
[07:38] <sivang> yeah, I know that
[07:38] <ddaa> then, what was the question?
[07:38] <sivang> well :)
[07:39] <sivang> I didn't realize it will become so complex to even browse all of the options
[07:39] <sivang> :)
[07:39] <sivang> and to really grasp it's capabilities
[07:39] <sivang> I bet someone is working on a document (rather; a paper) about all of the aspects of launchapd, right?
[07:39] <ddaa> not really
[07:40] <ddaa> there's the wiki, where we supposedly write specs before implementing
[07:40] <ddaa> I'm not sure what writing such a "paper" would buy
[07:42] <sivang> well, true it wouldn't have a real value other then enabling someone outside to understand all of launchpad's capabilities and possibly to suggest for ways where he can exploit it's capabilities
[07:44] <ddaa> I guess the vision is more something along the lines of the "hive mind genius", give geeks a bunch of open-ended cool toys to play with, and watch whether they come up with something we did not think of. That is certainly something important in sabdfl's vision nowadays.
[07:44] <ddaa> Then, how crackful an idea that is, it's not my place to judge...
[08:14] <sivang> ddaa: that's actually cool, given I would like to be one of those geeks :)
[08:15] <sivang> ddaa: btw, how shell all of this come togther with baz, super mirror and other freinds? I would really like to understand how they orchestrate together
[08:37] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: fixes to email interface. [r=jamesh]  (patch-2196: bjorn.tillenius@canonical.com)
[09:04] <mpt> bradb: http://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/Montreal2005?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=2-search-results-list.jpg
[09:06] <philiKON> hi carlos 
[09:06] <philiKON> i'm back from dinner
[09:07] <philiKON> so, how do i create a team for the zope developers?
[09:08] <carlos> philiKON, hi
[09:08] <philiKON> hi there :)
[09:09] <carlos> philiKON, https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/people/+newteam
[09:09] <philiKON> cool, thanks
[09:10] <philiKON> carlos, as for contact email address, can i specify a mailman list address?
[09:11] <carlos> philiKON, yeah, if you leave it empty all members will get the emails
[09:11] <philiKON> ah, that's ok too
[09:11] <carlos> so use what fits better to your requirements
[09:11] <philiKON> emails to members is probably best
[09:14] <philiKON> carlos, ok, added the zope3-dev group
[09:14] <philiKON> carlos, what's next? make us admins of the zope package? upload POT files?
[09:16] <carlos> philiKON, I will handle the initial POT upload, about the being admins of the zope package, I need to check how to change it, but don't worry about that I will do it
[09:16] <philiKON> ok, thanks
[09:16] <philiKON> i'm just new to the system, so i have no idea what needs to be done etc.
[09:16] <philiKON> carlos, if you could drop me an email when everything is set up so that people can begin with translation, that'd be great
[09:16] <carlos> salgado, did the owner change spec landed?
[09:17] <philiKON> my email addr is philikon@philikon.de
[09:17] <carlos> philiKON, count with that
[09:17] <philiKON> great, thanks!
[09:17] <carlos> I hope it will be done this week
[09:17] <philiKON> that'd be cool, then we can translations in for Zope 3.1 final
[09:17] <salgado> carlos, yep, but right now only launchpad admins can reassign any teams
[09:18] <philiKON> carlos, by the way, how easy is it then to get translations as a PO file out of rosetta?
[09:19] <carlos> morgs, salgado, does it apply to products too?
[09:19] <salgado> carlos, no, this is only for teams
[09:20] <salgado> carlos, I'll fix this soon, just need to sort out a special permission with Steve
[09:20] <carlos> philiKON, https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/products/ddtp-ubuntu/+series/ubuntu/+pots/ddtp-ubuntu-main/+export
[09:20] <philiKON> ah, cool
[09:21] <philiKON> sorry, i'm new to this; maybe there is some sort of end user docs?
[09:21] <carlos> philiKON, not too much info atm, we are working on it, so feel free to ask whatever you need
[09:22] <philiKON> ok, thanks
[09:22] <carlos> philiKON, all info we have about Rosetta is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Rosetta
[09:22] <carlos> salgado, ok
[09:26] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial]  Production config updates (patch-2197: stuart.bishop@canonical.com)
[09:33] <dilys> New Malone bug 1631 filed on Bazaar by Matthieu Moy: update doesn't consider the revision number when using replay strategy
[09:33] <dilys> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/1631
[09:42] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/dists--bazaar--1.5: new build (patch-69)
[09:43] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/bazaar--devo--1.5: bugfix: consider LIMIT argument with --versions, changed regexp option names (patch-55: Matthieu.Moy@imag.fr)
[09:50] <dilys> New Malone bug 1632 filed on Bazaar by Ross Burton: Insane and useless merging
[09:50] <dilys> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/1632
[10:06] <SteveA> ddaa: ping
[10:15] <ddaa> SteveA: pong
[10:29] <SteveA> ddaa: stub and mark have had problems with the latest baz
[10:30] <ddaa> what kind of problems?
[10:33] <ddaa> mh... never seen that before...
[10:33] <ddaa> I guess you guys have defined hook scripts?
[10:33] <ddaa> (like mirror-on-commit, etc.) I do not have any
[10:34] <ddaa> if that's the case maybe it would work better after renaming the hook script out the way
[10:37] <stub> I'll try it in a tick without the mirror-on-commit script.
[10:48] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial]  Only i386 for Gina on staging (patch-2198: stuart.bishop@canonical.com)
[11:15] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial]  English language should not be showed by default (patch-2199: carlos.perello@canonical.com)
[11:55] <elmo> librarian is down
[11:55] <elmo> stub: known?
[11:55] <stub> elmo: Yup. Production rollout
[11:55] <stub> elmo: Just restarted Librarian now
[11:55] <elmo> ok
[11:59] <stub> Should all be healthy, and Pound should notice the restarted servers in the next 30 seconds...
[11:59] <elmo> btw, do you want me to redirect launchpad.u.c too?
[11:59] <elmo> or are we keeping that as a 4th (?!) instance for a while?
[12:00] <stub> I guess we have tested launchpad.net enough now ;) Might as well redirect launchpad.ubuntu.com to launchpad.net
[12:01] <stub> But the emails will still flow on the old domain for a few days, unless this causes you grief in which case I can reconfigure it now.
[12:02] <elmo> uh, hang on - email?
[12:02] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/dists--bazaar--1.5: new build (patch-70)
[12:02] <elmo> no one mentioned email :P
[12:02] <stub> foo@bugs.ubuntu.com
[12:02] <stub> Not that the gateway has been advertised or anything. Bjorn might cry if we disable it for a while, but that is about it.
[12:03] <elmo> -> foo@bugs.launchpad.net ?
[12:03] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/bazaar--devo--1.5: [Fixes #1631]  added a --upto option to replay, use it when necessary (patch-56: Matthieu.Moy@imag.fr)
[12:04] <stub> Yup. One of the things I was going to put off until later after we had ironed out any bugs in the web systems being moved.
[12:05] <stub> elmo: Let me know if you change the email stuff - I think I need to update the config files when that happens.
[12:06] <elmo> I'm not going to change it, so much as make bugs.launchpad.net work
[12:06] <elmo> ATM it will insta-bounce