Burgundaviait also looks like all the gnome live cds that gnome is going to be handing out will be able to turn into Ubuntu installs12:08
HiddenWolfBurgundavia: really? cool!12:08
Keybukwhoah, the font size issue _WAS_ gtk bug!12:11
MezKeybuk, fint size?12:12
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jdubHiddenWolf: preview release has been same day in the past (it'll be a day or two after now though)12:21
HiddenWolfjdub: yeah, i figured i was being stupid.12:21
jdubHiddenWolf: then a month of stabilisation and bug fixing until our final release (which ends up being roughly the gnome point release)12:21
HiddenWolfjdub: thanks12:22
jdubexcept shower time12:24
jdubwhich is now12:24
jdubi managed to tear my finger tip open this morning12:27
jdubright middle12:27
jdubvery annoying for the typing12:27
whiprushtype with pencils like the fly did.12:27
jdub*click*click*click* OW! *click*click*click* OW!12:27
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HiddenWolfjdub: be careful then! The community is counting on you being able to type straight. :)12:40
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Lathiat jdub ouch12:48
Lathiatok who knwos dbus12:49
Lathiati have some code taht wont work and i cant figure out why12:49
Lathiatthe other send sends the reply, but i get a reply with no arguments12:49
Lathiatand there is no error condition12:49
Lathiat(other than it has 0 arguments)12:49
Lathiatit was working before and lasttime i had this problem it was because i was passing NULL instead of an error variable12:49
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Lathiatzyga: west australian internet exchange01:13
Lathiatzyga: where most ISPs in my city connect to pass traffic between each other as oposed to international transit01:13
infinityWhy would anyone want to talk to someone else in WA?01:14
tsengthere is more than one person?01:14
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infinityHrm, don't you hate thinking "Gee, I knew I forgot something" about 5 seconds after typing "dupload *changes"?02:10
infinityI know I do.02:10
infinityOh well, no -v option to dpkg-genchanges just means a short and uninformative email to -changes, could be worse.02:10
crimsunyeah, it bit me once when I didn't have ubuntu defined, so it uploaded to ftp-master. D'oh!02:10
infinityI remove the default from dupload.conf intentionally to prevent that.02:11
infinitySo I MUST specify --to debian or --to ubuntu to upload.02:11
danielsinfinity: my dput is two-fold, and involves an scp to chinstrap first, so I have a few seconds.02:11
infinity(And since I upload to both, that's kinda important)02:11
infinityWhy the two-hop approach?.. What have you got against anonymous ftp uploads?02:12
infinity(Or just the fear of broken connections leading to having to upload the whole mess again, because the ubuntu queue doesn't keep files around like the debian one does?)02:12
mxpxpodis mpeg_encode in any ubuntu package?02:13
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jammcqhey guys, mdz has asked me to try out his latest ltsp stuff in breezy. But first, I need to transform this hoary box to be breezy.  any pointers to how to setup the apt/sources file?02:14
jdubjammcq: :%s/hoary/breezy/ :-)02:15
jammcqthat's it ?02:15
jdubjammcq: you going to oscon as well as lwe?02:15
jammcqnot this year :(02:15
jdubthen apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade -u02:15
jammcqi was at ols, and just can't be gone that much02:15
jdubwell, i will see you at lwe anyway :)02:15
jammcqyeah, looking forward to it02:16
jammcqjdub: you in portland now ?02:16
infinityjammcq : Save a copy of /usr/X11R6/bin/mkfont*, s/hoary/breezy/ in sources.list, apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade, copy those two binaries to /usr/bin (and /usr/X11R6/bin, some stuff still looks there), install xkbutils, pat self on back.02:16
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danielsinfinity: no, no, no02:16
danielsjammcq: don't listen to infinity.  just make sure you install xkbutils, xrdb, xprop, xauth and xinit when you're done.02:16
danielsinfinity: i fixed mkhost* yesterday02:16
infinitydaniels : Oh, mkfont* came back while I was away from the keyboard?02:16
jdubjammcq: sydney, surry hills office ;)02:16
jammcqjdub: isn't oscon starting like now ?02:17
jdubsort of02:17
jdubtuesday evening is the proper kick off02:17
jdubmon/tues are tutorials and stuff02:17
robertj_it seems like there are entirely too many cons these days ;)02:18
jdubplus, being in the future, i get to leave on monday and arrive on monday02:18
infinitydaniels : Dude, I see no mkfont binaries anywhere, except the ones I copied from hoary.02:18
mxpxpodwhy isn't ucbmpeg in powepc?02:18
robertj_it seems like Jeff is a full-time convention attender these days ;)02:18
jdubnot as bad as mako... yet02:18
lexhiderdaniels: has xfonts made it through yet?02:19
danielslexhider: *cough* no02:20
danielsinfinity: yeah, well, give it an hour02:20
robertj_are things going to be more or less tame by the next colony release?02:20
infinityThat's the plan.02:21
infinitydaniels : xfonts-core is FTBFS.02:21
danielsinfinity: hence 'yeah, well, give it an hour'02:21
infinitydaniels : <smirk>02:21
danielsrobertj_: kamion can't really release a colony if nothing works.02:22
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lamontdaniels: you around?02:41
lamontnm, even02:42
Amaranthwoo, smeg 0.8 might actually see the light of day02:42
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Burgundaviathat is nice02:42
Amaranthi've got all of the new framework stuff setup again, i just need to copy chunks of code over to it02:42
Amaranthand then add the new features again02:43
lamontany console-data literate folks around?02:46
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lamontKeybuk: you really here, or bouncing?02:53
Keybukreally here02:53
Keybukwhat's up?02:53
mxpxpoddaniels: ping02:54
mxpxpodAmaranth: did you get anywhere with the firefox bug I pointed out?03:03
Amaranthmxpxpod: Haven't looked at it at all, honestly.03:03
AmaranthI know absolutely nothing about firefox.03:03
mxpxpodheh, that's ok03:04
danielsmxpxpod: pong03:04
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mxpxpoddaniels: I've got a strange bug with firefox03:04
danielsmxpxpod: what's up?03:04
mxpxpoddaniels: http://www.reigndropsfall.net/images/firefox-font-problem.png03:04
sebesthello which package contain xmodmap on breezy?03:04
danielssebest: none of them.  it's a sign to tell you to use xkb.03:05
danielsmxpxpod: ... the problem is that your fonts are huge?03:06
mxpxpoddaniels: just in firefox...03:06
mxpxpoddaniels: it's like firefox as an application doesn't respect either the dpi or the font setting of gnome03:06
OddAbe19wait... X is alot less broken? what still needs fixing?03:07
AmaranthOddAbe19: mkfontdir03:07
sebestdaniels: i think i'm using xkb, but my shift keys doesn't work03:07
AmaranthOddAbe19: the thing that still needs fixing is the error you had03:07
danielssebest: then your XKB is broken03:08
OddAbe19thanks check check03:08
sebestdaniels: i'm using a fr beyboard, and for the moment i use xmodmap to make my shift key working again :)03:08
AmaranthGuys, let's stop bugging daniels about keyboards and X not starting.03:08
danielsOddAbe19: if you've upgraded through breezy, it still bites03:08
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danielssebest: sudo dpkg -i --force-confmiss /var/cache/apt/archives/xkeyboard-config_0.5-3_all.deb03:08
danielssebest: and install xkbutils03:08
danielsOddAbe19: but upgrades from hoary should be fine, unless you've customised your config03:09
OddAbe19daniels, yeah a few nights ago i felt adventourous and dist-upgraded from hoary...03:09
Amaranthupgrading from hoary is fixed?03:09
OddAbe19what changes do i have to make to a customized xorg.conf?03:09
danielsOddAbe19: s#usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts#usr/share/X11/fonts#g03:09
mxpxpodOddAbe19: you have to update your keyboard config to use the kbd driver03:09
danielsAmaranth: yeah03:10
mxpxpoddaniels: any clue as to what's up with firefox?03:10
robertjis that in apt-listchanges/03:10
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danielsmxpxpod: no idea, sorry; don't have anything to do with that03:10
OddAbe19daniels, i did change that to kbd, but i only go gibberish with the command you posted, what was that?03:10
mxpxpoddaniels: who would?03:10
danielsrobertj: no, but it should probably be in NEWS.Debian03:10
Amaranthmxpxpod: talk to whoever touched firefox last03:10
danielsOddAbe19: change /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts to /usr/share/X11/fonts03:10
danielsmxpxpod: i don't think we really have a firefox maintainer at the moment, tbh03:10
OddAbe19in xorg03:10
OddAbe19for all the font paths in xorg.conf now?03:11
OddAbe19gotta fix this03:12
OddAbe19you rock daniels and the whole team03:12
Keybukmmm, fist-sized fonts in firefox03:12
Amaranthcouldn't he have upgraded and used dpkg-reconfigure?03:12
|QuaD-daniels.... to get xorg working, i should change all my font paths to /usr/share/X11/fonts?03:13
Keybukfwiw, if you hard-set the firefox DPI setting to 96dpi, it draws things properly03:14
Keybukit's a temporary hack, but it works03:14
Amaranthmmm, firefox lockup03:14
daniels|QuaD-: yes03:14
|QuaD-daniels: thanks03:15
TerminXdaniels: you aren't packaging xmodmap anymore?03:15
TerminXif not, what exactly is the equiv of xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 7 3 2 6 4 5"03:17
Keybukdaniels: a bunch of entirely random keys have stopped working -- your bug, or a gnome bug?03:17
sebestkeybuk what is your keymap?03:17
Keybukthings like F12, and the volume keys and stuff03:17
KeybukI _think_ it's a gnome bug, because the accelerator widget still catches them03:18
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danielsKeybuk: if xev shows them with the right keycodes and symbol names, it's not my problem03:20
OddAbe19daniels, works... great... kinda... but it works. Wheel on mouse doesn't move up and down but X works, great job03:20
danielsTerminX: i'll package it later but I don't consider it massively important03:20
Keybukdaniels: which package is xev in? ;)03:20
danielsKeybuk: it isn't, as I discovered last night03:20
daniels(this is biting me too)03:20
Keybukwonder if gnome is doing something very silly like using that03:20
danielsno way03:21
TerminXdaniels: alright.. you mentioned sending notice of how to unscrew X on Breezy to ubuntu-devel and ubuntu-users, is there a timeframe for that or are you still sorting out X issues?03:21
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danielsTerminX: as soon as I upload -44, which I'm still tweaking03:22
Keybukdaniels: did you pick a hell of a week to quit drinking coffee or something?03:22
danielsKeybuk: hrm?03:22
sebestdaniels: it seems that changing the keyboard driver is not always enough, i had o change the XkbLayout from "fr-latin9" to "fr"03:22
TerminXdaniels: alright.03:22
danielsi stopped with caffeine at about the start of april03:22
danielsso yeah, pretty much bang on 4 months ago03:22
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danielssebest: right.  some complex XKB configurations will break, as we switched to xkeyboard-config.03:23
Keybukdaniels: so xev doesn't think F12 is F12 ...03:23
danielssebest: fr(latin9) might work03:23
danielsKeybuk: what does it think it is?03:23
KeybukKeymapNotify event, serial 27, synthetic NO, window 0x0,03:23
Keybuk    keys:  2   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   003:23
Keybuk           0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   003:23
Keybukis all you get03:23
|QuaD-daniels: i just changed my fonts to that, i am still getting the same font error03:23
Keybuk(no KeyPress/KeyRelease)03:23
danielsKeybuk: errrrrr03:24
sebestdaniels: oki, i think that a lot of people that see keys "dissappearing" in bug report, is because of thing like this one03:24
danielsthat's XKB sucking, then.  does setxkbmap -rules xorg -layout gb -model pc105, a) help, or b) throw an error?03:24
danielssebest: no, it's because upgrades going through hoary completely smashed xkb.03:24
Keybukdaniels: c) neither03:25
sebestdaniels: btw fr works perfectly no need for fr(latin9) :) good job!03:26
KeybukF11, F12, "Mute", "Volume Down", "Volume Up", "Lock Screen" and "Presentation" don't work03:26
|QuaD-daniels: all my entries in my xorg.conf for fonts look similar to this "FontPath        "/usr/share/X11/fonts/misc""03:26
|QuaD-is that right?03:26
danielsKeybuk: hold on, volume up, volume down, presentation and lock screen aren't in the default UK keymap, of course03:26
danielsKeybuk: nor is mute03:27
daniels|QuaD-: yeah03:27
Keybukright, but they should at least generate key events03:27
Keybukthey used to generate 0x[random two digits] 03:27
Keybukhere's a weird one for you...03:27
|QuaD-daniels: any idea why it wouldn't work?03:27
KeybukF12 works if you hold down a bucky bit at the same time03:27
KeybukShift-F12 gives me Shift_L + F1203:28
sebest|Quad what is your problem?03:29
OddAbe19hmmm... yeah, so far, only thing, scroll wheel goes left right instead of up down03:29
OddAbe19i'll file a bug report03:29
|QuaD-sebest: could not open default font 'fixed';03:29
|QuaD-then there are other lines that follow about fonts not being configured right03:30
|QuaD-Could not init font path element unix/:7100, removing from list!03:30
danielsKeybuk: hmmm.  works for me.  you haven't got something stupid like f-lock on your keyboard, right ... ?03:30
Keybukdaniels: first thing I checked03:30
danielsKeybuk: keycodes for f11 and f12 are 95 and 9603:30
danielsKeybuk: that's really bong03:30
infinitydaniels : Meh, libfontenc got NEWed to universe, not main.  xfonts-core will stay FTBFS for a while.03:31
danielsKeybuk: could you please clag me the output of setxkbmap -print?03:31
danielsinfinity: bugger03:31
danielselmo: libfontenc -> main please (it was originally in main, from xorg)03:32
Keybukxkb_keymap {03:32
Keybuk        xkb_keycodes  { include "xfree86+aliases(qwerty)"       };03:32
Keybuk        xkb_types     { include "complete"      };03:32
Keybuk        xkb_compat    { include "complete"      };03:32
Keybuk        xkb_symbols   { include "pc(pc105)+gb+compose(rctrl)"   };03:32
Keybuk        xkb_geometry  { include "pc(pc105)"     };03:32
Keybuk...dude, where is pc105 defined?03:32
danielsKeybuk: /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/pc03:32
danielsKeybuk: it includes pc104, which includes pc(basic), which has the F* definitions03:33
Keybukthose are just type="CTRL+ALT" though?03:33
danielsKeybuk: right, that's fine03:33
KeybukCtrl+Alt-F12 does nothing03:34
danielsthe only difference between our maps is that I have compose(ralt) and ctrl(nocaps) also03:34
danielsKeybuk: you did --force-confmiss xkeyboard-config, right?03:34
KeybukI have xkeyboard-config installed03:35
danielsKeybuk: right, but xlibs's postinst was sort of deleting a lot of xkeyboard-config's conffiles03:35
KeybukI noticed that03:35
danielsKeybuk: so sudo dpkg -i --force-confmiss /var/cache/apt/archives/xkeyboard-config_0.5-3_all.deb03:35
Keybuknope, no luck03:38
Keybukwill have a bit more of a debug later03:40
Keybukcould still be gtk bug03:40
Keybukthe fonts thing was, so I'm not ruling it out03:40
jammcqdaniels: no sign of the 'xprop' package you recommended that I install03:45
danielsjammcq: oh, it's waiting for ftpmaster intervention; don't worry about it03:46
jammcqk, thanks03:46
Burgundaviasomebody just posted a bug voting idea on the IdeaPool (to replace the page itself)03:48
|QuaD-daniels: how do i get mkfontdir?03:48
daniels|QuaD-: install xfonts-utils when it hits the archive03:49
|QuaD-daniels: ok, i hope that solves my problems03:50
|QuaD-do you know when that will be?03:50
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daniels|QuaD-: when the UK wakes up03:51
daniels|QuaD-: it's waiting on manual intervention03:52
|QuaD-daniels: alright, thanks for all your help03:52
Amaranthdaniels: ooh, we get mkfont* and update-font-dir back?03:53
sebestwhat about adding this to the channel topic : " Over 5 lines? Pastebin: http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste" ?03:53
Amaranthwhen the UK wakes up? they just went to bed :/03:53
danielsAmaranth: update-fonts-dir never went away03:54
Amaranththen i wrote over the copy in breezy :P03:54
danielsit's been in xfonts-utils for ever03:55
danielsbut in /usr/bin rather than /usr/X11R6/bin03:55
Amarantherr, it was in /usr/sbin/ in hoary03:56
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danielsoh, cool04:00
jammcqdaniels: sorry to bother you, but the upgrade to breezy is done, but the keyboard doesn't work in X04:09
lamontvim ftbfs... sigh04:10
danielsjammcq: have you got xkbutils installed?04:11
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danielsjammcq: got xkeyboard-config installed?04:12
danielsjammcq: any output from setxkbmap -rules xorg -model pc104 -layout us?04:14
jammcqwell, I get 'Cannot open display 'default display', cuz X isn't running04:15
jammcqdaniels: btw, this is on a laptop, fresh install of hoary, then the upgrade to breezy. nothing would be lost, if I had to start over04:19
lamontdaniels: libcaca is it's fault, not xorg's, right?04:20
lamontchecking for X11/XKBlib.h... no04:20
lamontconfigure: error: cannot find X11 development files04:20
danielslamont: libxkbfile-dev, IIRC04:22
danielsjammcq: if the server's not starting, I'd need the logfile.  if it's a custom config, you need to change /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts to /usr/share/X11/fonts in xorg.conf.04:23
jammcqnothing custom, other than I changed the Fontpath to point to my xfs, cuz mkfontdir wasn't there04:24
lamontjammcq: that would be "custom"04:24
lamont--> changed xconfig fie04:24
jammcqpoint taken04:24
lamontmd5sum can't tell _what_ you changed.04:24
Amaranthdpkg-reconfigure should fix it04:25
jammcqwhich pkg ?04:25
Amaranthit'll remake the xorg.conf file04:25
jammcqbut then it'll fail becuase of the fonts missing04:26
jammcqhttp://www.McQuil.com/Xorg.0.log 04:27
lamontdaniels: XOpenDisplay lives where?04:39
lamontconfigure:5201: checking for XOpenDisplay in -lX1104:41
lamontconfigure:5231: gcc -o conftest -g -O2  -DOPTIMISE_SLANG_PALETTE=1  conftest.c -lX11 -lXt -L  >&504:41
lamonthow very, um, interesting04:41
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danielslamont: in libX1104:44
bddebianWasn't libcaca on MOTUToMerge?04:44
lamontyeah - it includes that, but it gets kinda lost looking for libs...04:44
lamontwell, it's in _main_04:44
bddebianThat's strange04:45
danielsjammcq: so your server is actually started ... why can't you run setxkbmap?04:45
jammcqthe keyboard isn't responding04:46
jammcqvia gdm, I can't login.  I turned off gdm, and run 'startx', and keyboard does nothing04:46
danielsah, ok04:47
danielstry changing your driver to Driver "kbd"04:47
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jammcqit already is 'kbd'04:48
danielsjammcq: so your keyboard is totally dead ... hm04:54
jammcqwell,   Ctrl-Alt-Backspace works04:54
danielsfirst I've heard of something like that04:54
danielsif you can SSH in and run setxkbmap -rules xorg -model pc104 -layout us, against it, does that help04:54
jammcqi'll try that now04:54
danielslamont: oh, I bet I know what the libcaca issue is04:55
danielslamont: it's including -L$xlibdir unconditionally04:56
danielsbut $xlibdir will be blank if they're in /usr/lib04:56
jammcqdaniels: ok, no output05:02
jammcqI had to add '-ac' to the serverargs in startx05:02
danielsjammcq: has your keyboard situation improved now?05:03
lamontdaniels: sounds about right05:03
lamontdaniels: in any case, #1311905:03
danielsjammcq: if not, two things to try -- first one, paste me the output of setxkbmap -print in /msg; secondly, try sudo dpkg -i --force-confmiss /var/cache/apt/archives/xkeyboard-config_0.5-3_all.deb05:03
danielslamont: yeah, I saw it go past05:03
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mdztseng: new packages for universe are OK with me for most of the remainder of the release cycle05:34
jammcqmdz: hey, i'm installing ltsp, based on your howto05:40
mdzjammcq: thanks for taking the time to play with it05:41
jammcqi shoulda done it sooner, but you know how it is05:42
mdzvery much so05:43
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jammcqmdz: got an error:05:54
jammcq   Errors were encountered while processing:05:54
jammcq  /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibs_6.8.2-43_all.deb05:54
jammcqE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)05:54
bddebian\sh: My hero!05:55
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\shhey bddebian 05:58
mdzjammcq: that's a bug for daniels05:59
jammcqdaniels was already extremely helpful getting my hoary box upgraded to breezy06:00
mdzjammcq: he'll need a full transcript of the upgrade in order to analyze it; it might be a bug he has already fixed in the version he'll upload tomorrow06:01
danielsyeah, in this case it is06:01
jammcqso, to re-start this tomorrow, do I just re-run the client-build ?06:01
daniels(i often don't see things until this window bings purple)06:01
fabbionejammcq: yo :)06:40
fabbionejammcq: i did add fuse to the kernel on your request. i hope the 2.3.0 version is ok with you06:40
sladenscary fuse goodness06:41
fabbionesladen: it's going upstream anyway06:41
sladenfabbione: excellent06:42
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pittiGood morning07:29
bob2hey pitti07:29
sivangmorning all07:30
niranis there any correlation between package names and launchpad product names?07:45
bob2sadly, not in general07:45
bob2source package names mostly match with lp names07:45
niranbut there's no foolproof way to get to the launchpad page for a package?07:46
Amaranthfrom a source package, yes07:46
bob2perhaps it's linked from soyuz07:46
bob2we had to go back and match source package <-> lp names after the fact07:46
niranah, i see07:47
bob2presumably someone made use of that mass of data ;)07:47
nirani've been poking around trying to see what data i can use07:48
niranbut sadly, the only useful i can find i can't actually use because of a gtkmozembed bug07:49
niranuseful info, that is07:49
Amaranthniran: working on gnome-app-install 2.0? :)07:51
niranAmaranth, heh, yeah07:51
niranAmaranth, i think it's pretty useful at this point07:51
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pittiHey JaneW 07:59
sivangpitti: Hi Martin, What's up?08:00
pittiHi sivang08:00
sivangpitti: do you know how I can see changes of the last update to a baz archive? (baz annotate seems to give me everything)08:03
pittisivang: get-changeset and show-changeset?08:03
sivangpitti: k, thanks08:03
pittisivang: or just a quick overview with logs?08:03
sivangpitti: how do I produce the logs?08:04
pittisivang: baz logs -s08:04
sivangpitti: cool, thanks :)08:04
Amaranthniran: You're doing that in Python?08:06
niranAmaranth, yeah08:06
Amaranthniran: Cool.08:06
Amaranthniran: Try not to make it as nasty as http://rafb.net/paste/results/PqVbpC62.html :)08:07
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sivangpitti: have you seen jamesh lately?08:08
pittino, I didn't08:09
niranAmaranth, haha, i have a bit of cleanup to do myself. random unclear array indices will be heaven for anyone else who tries to touch this code08:10
Amaranthhehe, i don't have lists, i have gtk.ListStores :)08:11
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JaneWhi pitti08:19
highvolt1gemorning JaneW 08:21
sivanghey JaneW 08:21
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JaneWhello highvolt1ge  and sivang 08:22
\shmorning JaneW 08:22
JaneWhi \sh08:22
sivanghey \sh , hungry this morning ? :)08:22
\shsivang: hehe :) yes, but I have to chocolate bread rolls on my desk :) and a nice cup of hot coffee :)08:24
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sivang\sh: lol, I don't want to start describing what I have here, as Burgundavia may get hungry at us :)08:59
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\shsivang: lol..yes :) but Burgundavia has to provide me with some new .desktop files ,-) so he should be hungry for work not for food ;)09:03
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Burgundaviawhat is this about hunger? I could use some food right now09:10
TreenaksBurgundavia: you know the rules: no fixed bugs, no breakfast09:11
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TreenaksI would fix a lot of bugs, if I could have my upload rights back *sigh*09:12
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BurgundaviaTreenaks, why did you get your upload privs yanked?09:13
TreenaksBurgundavia: no idea..09:14
TreenaksBurgundavia: I mailed elmo last week, but got no reply09:14
Burgundaviaelmo is a busy guy09:14
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Treenaksbut still :)09:15
sivangTreenaks: maybe you should use a sponser , like I always do :)09:16
Treenakssivang: meh09:17
sivangTreenaks: You had upload rights to main and universe?09:17
\shhmmm...just downloaded michael lynns presentatioin about the cisco exploit09:17
Treenakssivang: universe09:18
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\shquite interessting..but old..and for this he had so many troubles now?09:18
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\shTreenaks: because of?09:19
Treenaks\sh: reading illegal information ;)09:21
\shTreenaks: i don't see any illegal information in it..09:21
\shbut I can read out of the court papers, that cisco has more security issues in their IOS (well, who doesn't know that) that they can handle ,-)09:22
\shhmmm...I think I will mirror this document and make it public09:23
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pittiHey mvo09:28
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mvogood morning pitti 09:29
sivangmorning mvo, how are you today?09:29
mvosivang: morning! a bit tired, but otherwise fine :)09:30
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\shok...I just p*ssed cisco and iss of ,-)09:37
Burgundavia\sh, mirror the lynn stuff?09:38
doko__elmo: please sync openoffice.org-help-de openoffice.org-help-el openoffice.org-help-en openoffice.org-help-es openoffice.org-help-fr openoffice.org-help-it openoffice.org-help-ja openoffice.org-help-ko openoffice.org-help-pt-br openoffice.org-help-sv openoffice.org-help-tr openoffice.org-help-zh-cn openoffice.org-help-zh-tw09:39
sivangbon jour seb128 09:41
seb128hi mvo sivang09:42
doko__elmo: please sync pygresql python-gdchart09:43
pittiHi seb128 09:44
seb128hey pitti09:45
doko__elmo: please sync libsigc++-2.0 libsigc++-1.209:47
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sivangJaneW: do you know if anyone is working on http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/FileManagerImprovement ?10:14
Amaranthsivang: err, that's not needed anymore with the new nautilus, i thought10:15
BurgundaviaAmaranth, there are still some small things to be done10:15
seb128a lot of small thing but not really a spec for that10:15
BurgundaviaI would like to see us simplfy the current UI for Breezy+110:16
seb128using spatial you mean ?10:16
sivangseb128: ping me for those "small things" after FF , I may be interested in working on this some bits :)10:17
seb128nautilus is not easy code10:19
seb128better to work on gst maybe?10:19
Burgundaviaseb128, the thunar screenie, we are almost there10:20
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sivangBurgundavia: what is the rhunar screenie ?10:22
sivangseb128: in nautilus, the hard part is probably the plugins stuff?10:23
seb128what plugin?10:23
seb128this screenshoot is ugly10:23
sivangseb128: no specific ones, I mean, becasue you can use it as a shell for other apps, etc..10:24
sivangBurgundavia: what is this screenshot of?10:24
Burgundaviasivang, a new file manager being worked on for XFCE10:24
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sivangBurgundavia: nice10:30
Burgundaviajdub spotted it10:30
sivangseb128: and you can have apps do nautilus integration10:30
sivangseb128: (become part of nautilus)10:30
seb128elmo: intltool gdesklets gdesklets-data loudmonth libgtk2-perl (experimental) syncs please10:33
seb128sivang: no, you can't10:33
Burgundaviaseb128, don't you mean loudmouth ?10:33
seb128Burgundavia: yep, typo10:34
Burgundaviaseb128, would you mind taking a quick look at screem. The new version in Debian fixes some crashers that myself and others I am seeing10:34
Burgundavias/I am/are10:34
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seb128Burgundavia: I'm too busy for that, it's blocked by UVF and I don't use it10:35
Burgundaviaseb128, ok10:35
seb128but feel free to try the new version, list what it fixes and ping mdz with your rationnal10:35
sivangseb128: I see the evince patch has both the configure changes and the code in, would you like me to split this one up as well ? (as I'm doing this for file-roller)10:36
sivangseb128: that is, the resulting auto-fo(s) and the directive that created them are split, but the code and the PKG_CHECK directive are in the same patch10:37
seb128"has both the configure changes and the code in"?10:38
seb128what does that mean?10:38
seb128I explained to you the other day ...10:38
seb128lemme me start again :(10:38
seb128configure.in is not likely to change on every update10:39
seb128configure is10:39
seb128so there 1 one patch for the code/configure.ac changes and one for the autotools10:39
sivangseb128: ah ok, now I get it right10:43
sivangseb128: is there anything wrong in the way I ask you that causes you to answer me wrongly? I want to improve my question asking abilities :)10:44
seb128you ask the same questions again and again10:44
seb128I've explained already 2 times why I split the patches10:45
seb128and we discussed that with pitti here too10:45
sivangseb128: right :-(10:45
sivangseb128: somehow I didn't get the fact the .in and the result were different things10:45
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seb128one is source file, the other is generated by the tools10:45
sivangseb128: I know, but I deduced wrongly that the changes for those both go in one place, since when you said "autofo is likely to change" I automatically reasoned that for both .in and results10:46
sivangseb128: ah well, at least now I will have final patche ready like needed.10:46
seb128a source file is not likely to change if you don't modify it10:47
seb128a generate file ...10:47
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sivangseb128: but acutally, when I think of it - if I didn't ask that question now (about the inclairity) I would have wasted another cycle of patch creation, so I'd like again to ask you to bare with this, and try give all the relevant info on the first time I ask you, please. (I wish I already knew all the autofu's cracks, but I do not)10:59
seb128I try to reply to the question11:01
seb128your patches change the configure.ac and the configure so I guessed you knew what you were changing and why11:01
pittidaniels: ping11:08
sivangseb128: I knew that I was changing the PKG_CHECK_MODULES directive in the source file and I knew this would trigger a change in the resulting output files, but when we talked about the "moving targets" I assumed that the source spec might change as well - how should I have reasoned otherwise? (I'm not bugging, just want to learn)11:09
seb128the sources files changes too11:11
seb128but less often than autogenerated file than are updated on every update11:12
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sivangseb128: so why not having 3 patches? one for the C code, 1 for the .in changes and one for the output, that would allows us maximum flexiability11:14
seb128because 1 patch for the sourcecode and one for the generated code is enough11:15
seb128you want to make a different patch by .c or .h maybe?11:15
seb128there is a just middle between, that was the discussion with pitti friday11:16
pittisivang: splitting .in changes and C code changes does not make sense if they really belong together ("I want to add this feature")11:17
pittisivang: the point is not to split patches up to the smallest possible units, but to group them by feature or bug fix11:17
Amaranthi got a GNOME CVS account for smeg11:17
sivangpitti: ok11:18
pittimvo: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/m/mozilla/mozilla_1.7.10-0ubuntu1/ is empty, any idea?11:18
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mvopitti: no, but I can check11:19
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pvanhoofhttp://www.pvanhoof.be/informatics_is_like_music.php -- have fun11:21
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mvopitti: I regenerate it now, it should be avalable in ~30min11:22
pittimvo: thanks11:23
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sivangpvanhoof: wow11:29
pvanhoofyea, I'm crazy :)11:29
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sivangpvanhoof: no, I really like the bottom line11:30
sivangpvanhoof: very good11:30
Amaranthgood night all11:32
sivangnight Amaranth 11:34
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mvopitti: changelog should be available now11:46
pittimvo: yep, thanks11:46
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Kamion/srv/cdimage.no-name-yet.com/debian-cd/tools/boot/breezy/boot-i386: line 242: syntax error: unexpected end of file12:12
chrissturmis there a way to fix my keyboard config in X?12:12
Kamionwell, that explains why CD images haven't been building12:12
KamionAmaranth: the language packs / openoffice.org2 thing is for daily-live builds, not daily (i.e. install)12:12
KamionTreenaks: I don't get it. You're still in the universe upload keyring12:19
Kamioncjwatson@jackass:~$ gpg --no-default-keyring --keyring /srv/keyring.no-name-yet.com/keyrings/upload-keys.gpg --list-keys | grep Martijn12:19
Kamionpub  1024D/3FA5E031 2004-04-17 Martijn van de Streek <martijn@foodfight.org>12:19
Kamionuid                            Marinus Theodorus Gerardus van de Streek (Martijn) <martijn@facecrime.net>12:19
TreenaksKamion: weird12:19
Treenaksshall I try again?12:20
KamionTreenaks: what did you try to upload that failed?12:21
TreenaksKamion: lirc12:21
KamionRejected: lirc_0.7.0.1-1ubuntu3_source.changes: upload is signed by 0x66EF84C6B7B551F4C18D5EF80DA7EFA33FA5E031 but is not in the Maintainer keyring.12:21
KamionRejected: lirc_0.7.0.1-1ubuntu3.dsc: upload is signed by 0x66EF84C6B7B551F4C18D5EF80DA7EFA33FA5E031 but is not in the Maintainer keyring.12:21
KamionTreenaks: lirc source is in main, not universe12:21
TreenaksKamion: it is?12:22
TreenaksKamion: Section: universe/utils12:22
KamionTreenaks: source, not binary12:22
Treenaksoh wait12:22
Treenaksthat explains a lot then :)12:22
KamionTreenaks: because liblircclient0 and liblircclient-dev are in main, so the source has to be in main12:22
Kamionxine-lib build-deps on liblircclient-dev12:23
TreenaksWell, it only needs a build-dep addition (libusb-dev)12:23
Kamioncan you mail me the diff?12:24
TreenaksKamion: sure12:24
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pittiKamion: oh, that reminds me again of that everlasting discussion to demote xine-lib into universe...12:32
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Kamiondaniels: libfontenc promoted to main12:34
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shackanare there breezy backports yet ?12:42
bob2*for* breezy?12:42
locomortoif there was it would ahver nothing in it12:42
shackanbob2, for hoary ;)12:43
HiddenWolfWhy would you want backports for a release that isn't stable yet, much less outdated. :P12:44
azeemHiddenWolf: upstream version freee12:47
azeemfreeze, even12:47
HiddenWolfazeem: *sigh*12:47
HiddenWolfLike you'll notice that. :P12:47
shackanwell, I need to update some packages but there are no new versions in hoary yet, I just hoped they were in breezy and someone backported to hoary12:49
chmjhey shackan 12:50
chmjoh good 12:50
chmjwasn't sure it was you 12:51
pittishackan: Hi12:51
shackanwow, everyone's here today...12:52
pittishackan: I got your mail, will answer soon; just a quick note, we have the latest hal, and will have the latest dbus (daniels works on that)12:52
shackanhi pitti 12:52
shackanpitti, I have 0.4.7, latest seems to be 0.5.4 or stg like that, where do I get it ? :)12:53
pittishackan: hal 0.5.3 is in breezy12:53
pittishackan: 0.4.7 is the hoary version12:53
shackanok, seems I'll have to upgrade ?12:53
pittierm, you *do* test your stuff on breezy, do you?12:53
pittiyes, you need breezy for that stuff12:54
shackanok, I'll create a new partition later12:54
shackankitchen needs me, brb12:54
locomortowill breezy be using the 2.6.12+ kernel? And thus udev?12:54
tsengalready done12:55
pittilocomorto: we use udev since warty, and breezy has 2.6.1212:55
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locomortoreally? My build complains that I dont have a 2.6.12 kernel12:56
shackanpitti, use of breezy was discouraged, that's why I didn't get it yet12:56
chmjshackan: it was too much broken then, I think 12:57
shackanand now ?12:57
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pittishackan: it is discouraged for users who want a stable system, but it is necessary for developers12:58
shackanI see12:58
chmjshackan: much better, all your stuff has to work on breezy 12:58
shackanit will :)12:58
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j^who can i ping if i would like to see a cvs repos showing up at http://arch.ubuntu.com/?01:05
j^in this case http://liboil.freedesktop.org/01:06
Kamionj^: lifeless leads the import team01:06
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pittiHi carstenh 01:16
carstenhhi pitti 01:16
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carstenhpitti: i hope jeff is here this afternoon and he has time to talk about conffiles01:17
pittiyes :-)01:20
JaneWMithrandir: are you the second for OOo2?01:27
dokoJaneW: that needs to be defined ...01:28
chmjdaniels, ping 01:29
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JaneWdoko: I see his name is there, but I think I did that last week, just cos you said he was to complete required amd64 bits...01:30
JaneWdoko: I put your updated in the wiki btw01:30
dokoJaneW: many thanks, maybe I should just install an alternative browser :)01:31
JaneWdoko: apparent;ly breezy solves the problem...? I know I had the same problem when I had flash installed.01:35
dokoI have no flash installed ...01:36
JaneWdoko: oic, then I have no idea01:38
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siretartfabbione: would you be interested in another sparc buildd? I a friend would like to offer hardware and hosting01:49
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JaneWdoes anyone have an e-mail address for jsgotangco?02:09
TreenaksJaneW: PGP key A97B69A0, which lists jgotangco@gmail.com02:10
JaneWTreenaks: cool, thanks :)02:10
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sivangseb128: I give you lp-integration for file-roller sacrifice oh might Seb god of gnome, I hope it is of your liking - http://muse.19inch.net/~sivan/lpint/file-roller/02:35
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sivangseb128: :)02:36
retrixif anyone has some spare time and is interested in testing an ndiswrapper gui, my summer of code project is available at http://www.users.on.net/~spohlenz/ubuntu/02:36
retrixcould really do with some feedback :)02:36
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jordipitti: ping02:37
pittiHey jordi 02:37
jordipitti: hi!02:37
sivangyo jordi 02:37
jordihow's alsa doing in breezy? Any problems reported?02:38
jordihi sivang 02:38
pittijordi: no major breakages so far :)02:38
jordipitti: I could build it for Debian now02:38
jordiok, uploading then :)02:38
elmodoko: wtf is openoffice.org2-filter-so52?02:40
elmoajmitch: ?02:40
dokoelmo: staroffice 5.2 import filters02:40
elmodoko: are they really binary files as the package description implies?02:41
elmoand you uploaded them for main?02:42
dokoelmo: good question, maybe let them stay in universe, it's not something we should support, but it's there02:43
elmodude, are you screwing with me, or do you have a different definition of binary?02:43
elmo(as in without source)02:43
siretartelmo: could you please pull piuparts from sid to universe?02:45
dokoelmo: sorry? the package contains shared libs, which are dlopened02:45
elmodoko: is there source for these shared libs?02:46
elmo(if so, where?)02:46
\shelmo: what do u need from me, to import my gpg key into the main keyring (TB approval since tuesday) thx for your info ;)02:46
dokoelmo: in openoffice.org202:46
elmodoko: why does the description call them binaries then?  and why are they split out?02:47
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dokoelmo: they are split out, because they are big, and almost no one needs them, at least not linux users. AFAIK staroffice 5.2 was available on Windows only02:48
sivangcan anyone fire up evince tell me if he can use it's launchpad integrated items from the "Help" menu?02:49
sivang(Seems to have a permission problem)02:49
dokoelmo: maybe the description can be better worded02:49
sivangsee if the browser if started at the launchapd url, thx02:50
elmosiretart: done02:50
elmo\sh: if you mailed your details to keyring that should be fine02:50
elmodoko: please at least fix the "binary" stuff, it makes me want to run away screaming02:51
mjg59elmo: Have you added my key to the keyring?02:51
pittiHi elmo02:51
dokoelmo: already, thought you wanted to stay until I did duplicate the oo2 source ;)02:51
dokoelmo: will fix02:51
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whiprushsivang: I have the launchpad stuff in my evince.02:53
dokoelmo: is there a way for a package (beeing built on a buildd) to know, if it should be binary-all packages as well?02:55
elmodoko: no - and you really shouldn't need to know stuff like that02:55
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dokoelmo: ok. did you get my mail about duplicating the ooo2 source package to build the language packs from one package, and the binaries from the other one?02:57
aigariusretrix, just to nitpick on you packaging - Section: base seams a bit bold to me - net or gnome would propably be better. other that that it looks nice and simple. any other functionality planned?02:59
elmodoko: oh, christ, that03:01
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retrixaigarius, thanks, still working on the packaging03:02
retrixaigarius, still need to implement basic help, and automatically loading ndiswrapper -m03:03
retrixaigarius, other than that, im keeping it simple03:03
aigariusretrix, I'm in SoC too (http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleBackupSolution, http://freshmeat.net/projects/sbackup/ ). I still have lots to do this week :)03:04
retrixaigarius, ah yes, i had a look at ur project before .. its coming along well03:05
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seb128elmo: intltool gdesklets gdesklets-data loudmouth libgtk2-perl (experimental) syncs please03:08
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janimoelmo, ping03:19
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\shelmo: send03:32
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carstenhhi pitti :)03:57
danielsKamion: thanks alot03:57
danielschmj: sup03:57
\shgoing home...later dudes03:57
chmjdaniels: dude 03:57
chmjdaniels: xorg is missing xmkmf 03:58
danielschmj: yeah, I know03:58
chmjthats breaks isdnutils 03:58
Treenaksisdnutils uses xmkmf?!03:59
chmjsomething like that 03:59
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aigariusdaniels, Setting up xfonts-base ( ... 04:03
aigariusmkfontscale: error while loading shared libraries: libfontenc.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory04:03
danielsaigarius: sudo apt-get install libfontenc104:03
aigariusdaniels, just thought that you might want to know :)04:04
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azeemxisdnload uses imake04:05
chrissturmshould xkb work in current xorg?04:05
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sivangseb128: are you able to use evince's launchpad menu items? (I have problems testing it on my dchroot, wanna know if it happens to you)04:17
seb128sivang: all the stuff I've uploaded work fine here04:20
seb128sivang: have you read my mail about file-roller?04:20
sivangseb128: yes, already up to it, will be ready shortly04:20
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pittielmo: please sync pdns (new upstream microrelease, but fixes two CANs, and universe)04:39
sivangseb128: then probably some missing python lib in my chroot04:40
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seb128sivang: what does it say?04:41
dokopitti: do we have a policy, how the localte is determined?04:41
dokodoes LANGUAGE or LC_ALL win?04:41
pittidoko: in which context?04:41
pittidoko: oh, LC_ALL wins04:41
herziabiword and gedit don't appear in my gnome-menu anymore, it is the same with someone else's ubuntu breezy?04:41
herzis/it is/is it/04:42
pittidoko: well, LANGUAGE is not an official gettext variable, but something Gnomeish04:42
pittidoko: but to be similar to LANG, LC_ALL should dominate everything04:42
dokohmm, and something like de_DE should be interpreted as well, or do we need de_DE.UTF-804:43
pittidoko: LANGUAGE should not contain an encoding04:43
pittidoko: just "de_DE" or "de"04:43
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pittias I said, it's not a gettext variable, but a Gnome h4ck04:44
dokobut LC_ALL=de_DE should work?04:44
sivangseb128: Traceback (most recent call last):04:45
sivang  File "<string>", line 5, in ?04:45
sivang  File "/usr/local/share/launchpad-integration/launchpadintegration/main.py", line 57, in main04:45
sivang    print 'Name:', pkginfo.binarypackage04:45
sivangAttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'binarypackage'04:45
dokopitti: but LC_ALL=de_DE should work?04:46
pittidoko: no, that needs an encoding (de_DE.UTF_8)04:46
pittidoko: of course it works, but it describes the latin1 locale04:47
seb128sivang: weird ... why don't you use the package?04:47
sivangseb128: what do you mean?04:47
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seb128that's not the package04:47
sivangseb128: ah, when I tried using it from evince for exmaple, I got jamesh's error handeling message "Error showing url: There was an error launching the default action command associated with this location.04:48
sivangseb128: so I figured trying the python script directly04:48
martinkpitti, how come LANGUAGE is documented in the glibc manual if it's a GNOME h4ck? http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/Using-gettextized-software.html#Using-gettextized-software04:48
pittimartink: oops, sorry, seems that my memory has fooled me04:49
pittimartink, doko: LANGUAGE is not documented in locale(7), the precedence rules don't mention LANGUAGE04:50
janimoelmo, please sync xfce packages listed in mail sent last week on you nocrew address, thank you04:51
dokopitti: I know, but LANGUAGE is the only thing, which is set by the installer, isn't it?04:51
pittimartink: hm, even your URL doesn't define the precedence of LANGUAGE04:51
pittidoko: no, d-i writes LANG into /etc/environment04:51
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dokopitti: my last installation did have written: LANGUAGE=en_DE:en04:53
pittidoko: it didn't write LANG???04:53
pittimy installations always did04:54
pittibut I always installed de_DE...04:54
dokowell, will check later04:54
seb128sivang: the url error is quite normal with a chroot04:54
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seb128sivang: gconftool-2 -g /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http/command ?04:54
dokopitti: en_DE is selected, when you select y german keyboard, and english language04:54
Kamiondoko: please file a bug (on, er, probably localechooser to start with), LANG should always be set04:55
pittidoko: crazy... en_DE is not even a supported locale...04:56
Kamionand keyboard REALLY shouldn't imply country choice!04:56
sivangseb128: mozilla-firefox %s04:56
Kamionif you selected English language and Germany as the country, that would make marginally more sense04:56
Kamionalthough localechooser still shouldn't select it if it's unsupported, it's meant to fall back to a supported locale04:56
seb128sivang: can you run that from your chroot?04:57
crispinhmm, is it known that xmodmap doesn't seem to exist in breezy ?04:57
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sivangseb128: just found out I don't have it. /me apt-gets moz-ffox :-/04:58
dokoKamion: maybe it was country, I have to check it with a newer install. bug report openend04:59
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danielscrispin: yes05:01
crispindaniels: ok :-)05:06
HiddenWolfdaniels, what can I expect if I upgrade to breezy atm, lots of X pain?05:06
aigariusinfinity, ping05:06
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sivangseb128: that fixed that DOH05:06
sivangseb128: anyway, the finalized file-roller is up , can you give it a look and let me know if I need change another thing?05:06
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danielsHiddenWolf: largely works05:09
HiddenWolfdaniels: would you advise me to wait, or is it doable?05:09
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pittiogra: !05:12
pittinice to see you05:12
Keybukpitti: are we going to see the "name pmount/gvm devices according to HAL" patch back in for breezy?05:12
sivanghi ogra 05:12
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sivanghey bddebian 05:13
bddebianHeya sivang, how are you?05:13
pittiKeybuk: what do you mean?05:14
pittiKeybuk: I get /media/<partition label>, and "Computer place" shows "OTi Flash Disk: Pitti USB"05:14
pittiKeybuk: doesn't work for you?05:15
Keybuknope, I get /media/usbdisk where I used to get /media/iAudio05:16
Keybuk(when the patch was enabled during the hoary cycle)05:16
pittiKeybuk: but the device label is in hal?05:16
pittiKeybuk: I didn't disable anything like that in breezy05:16
Keybukplugging in my iAudio I get a "/media/usbdisk" which appears as "37.3GB Volume" in Computer05:17
danielsHiddenWolf: entirely doable.  just remember to fix your font paths in xorg.conf.05:17
pittiKeybuk: can you please send me your "lshal" output when the device is plugged in?05:17
ografabbione, around ? 05:18
Keybukthe volume appears under an "iAUDIO M3 Digital Audio Player" tree in h-d-m05:19
pittiogra: he's on vac this week05:19
ograpitti, ah.. i forgot...05:19
HiddenWolfdaniels: ok, cool05:19
ogradaniels, any chance that we get ndiswrapper for amd64 in breezys l-r-m ? 05:19
pittiKeybuk: hm, where did you send the mail to?05:20
bddebianI thought with mad-wifi you didn't need ndiswrappter anymore?? ;-)05:20
pittiKeybuk: whoops, it landed in my spam folder, sorry05:20
mjg59bddebian: There are plenty of amd64 laptops with unsupported wireless cards05:21
mdzmorning all05:22
mdzelmo: what happened with moin1.3?05:22
danielsogra: um, l-r-m doesn't do ndiswrapper; ndiswrapper is in a separate package.  it also happens to be entirely dfsg-free ...05:22
pittiHey mdz05:23
ograbddebian, does madwifi support all broadcom chipsets ? i had to use ndiswrapper here for my new card...05:23
elmomdz: how do you mean?05:23
danielselmo: if render and xrender source packages are still in breezy, please kill them05:23
mvogood morning mdz 05:23
bddebianI was kidding folks.. Sheesh, I really need to learn to shut-up05:23
tsengDid you mean: midwife  05:24
Keybukdaniels: however the result of running ndiswrapper may be violating the GPL with a chainsaw ... depending on your interpretation of "compbined work"05:25
Keybukurgh, can't type05:25
danielsKeybuk: right05:26
mjg59Keybuk: There are GPLed NDIS drivers05:26
danielsKeybuk: but as it stands, the program itself is fine.  what you do with your own drivers that you acquire and your kernel is up to you.05:26
danielsKeybuk: as mjg59 says, the drivers you use may be entirely fine to use with the kernel.05:26
bddebianOh you mean like copying CDs?? :-)05:27
mdzelmo: I mean that it was intended that it go into breezy, but it hasn't yet05:28
mdzelmo: doko said that he uploaded it?  I don't know if those were the Jonas packages or something else05:28
martinhjmjg59: concerning our talk about acpi-events on a travelmate 620 and me going to try a vanilla kernel: is ok, or do I need to apply latest prepatch (or anything else)?05:29
mdz(there was a discussion about it here on 07-26)05:29
danielsbddebian: sure.  i've never burnt a CD or DVD that violated its copyright.05:29
mdzdaniels: do your most recent uploads clear out the known X installation/upgrade bugs, or are there still some pending?05:29
bddebiandaniels: Well that's YOU :-)05:29
elmomdz: if he did upload it, I don't think it was to ubuntu05:30
bddebianelmo: Do whitelist requests for upload@ubuntu.com go to you?05:30
danielsmdz: still one or two pending05:30
mdzelmo: at any rate, would you make sure that moin1.3 gets into breezy?05:30
mjg59martinhj: Try plesae, yes05:31
danielsmdz: almost all squashed though.  straight upgrades from hoary should be fine.05:31
mdzdaniels: and fresh installs as well?05:31
chrissturmdaniels: i have trouble with my xkb settings. cant set a german keyboard. what can i do to fix it?05:31
mdzchrissturm: #ubuntu, please05:32
danielsmdz: no, xlibs will fail to install.  i have the fix for that in hand.05:32
martinhjmjg59: gcc4 is ok?05:32
mjg59martinhj: I'd recommed 3.405:34
martinhjmjg59: ok, I'll trie that one05:35
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Morguepitti: ping05:37
pittiHi Morgue 05:37
Morguehi, it's shackan here, sorry to bother you but.. I just installed breezy, it all a damn mess over here05:38
pittidear seb128, please make rhythmbox stop crashing when I umount my usb stick :-)05:38
seb128pitti: try today's snapshot and put a backtrace to bugzilla if it crashes, thanks :)05:39
pittirhythmbox is already the newest version.05:39
seb1280801 ?05:39
pittianyway, just nagging :-)05:39
seb128not sure if it has built yet05:39
pittiseb128: yes, I try 0.8.105:40
seb128k, wait for today's one, I've uploaded like 1 hour ago05:40
pittierm, 0.8.10 then?05:40
pittiah, ok05:40
seb128that's the date :p05:40
seb1280801 is today ;p05:40
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Morguepitti, gnome does not event start, it this a known problem ?05:42
pittino idea05:42
pittiMorgue: did you install colony 2 and upgraded?05:42
Morgueinstalled colony 2 and stop05:43
Morguecan't upgrade, since the network doesn't work yet :(05:43
pittiwhat a mess...05:43
mdzdoko: ping re: moin1.305:44
dokomdz: should be in NEW05:44
mdzdoko: it is not, and I never saw it there05:44
robitailleMorgue: Colony 2 was pretty broken for some users.  My gnome wasn't work at all either on it. Maybe install a more recent version Breezy since  a lot of changes have happens since Colony 2?  05:45
dokomdz: ahh, I see my mistake05:45
mdzdoko: are we talking about the same packages (the ones that elmo used for wiki.ubuntu.com)?05:45
dokomdz: probably not. I did use the package from unstable, and packaged that as source moin1.305:47
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dokoelmo: where can I find your moin1.3 package?05:47
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Mezhey all :D05:50
Treenakshey mez05:50
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pittiHi Mez 05:52
Mezevening Pitti05:52
Mezhows things?05:53
pittireasonably, thanks :-)05:54
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Mezreasonably ?05:55
HiddenWolfGuys, I've got a nautilus that's leaking memory. How do I figure out what's causing it so I can file a bug?05:55
pittiMez: moz 1.7.11 has a broken upstream tarball, but otherwise fine :-)05:55
Mezpitti :D fun05:55
pittiMez: they claimed they only fixed two major bugs and nothing else, and then they removed a whole source code subdirectory05:55
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pittielmo: can I please have libart-dev in concordia's breezy dchroot?05:57
sivangseb128: what's the verdict for my file-roller ? :)06:00
elmopitti: done06:00
seb128sivang: uploaded06:01
seb128elmo: thanks for the syncs06:01
sivangseb128: yay!06:02
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seb128mdz: could we update libexif to 0.6.12? There is a soname change, but only main Depends are "gimp gthumb libgphoto2 nautilus". Debian has it for 2 weeks with no new bug. eog requires >= 0.6.12 now, it's built without exif for the moment but that would be nice to build it with it.06:07
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mdzseb128: ok, CC me on the sync request as usual06:08
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seb128mdz: k, thanks06:10
mdzRiddell: regarding qca-tls, there is currently nothing (seed or dependency) to bring it into main06:10
mdzogra: likewise for tuxpaint06:10
ogramdz, ok06:11
mdzat least nothing that anastacia sees06:11
mdzis anastacia looking at the edubuntu seeds these days?06:11
ogramdz, http://www.grawert.net/ldm.png06:11
ograi guess not yet...06:11
mdzogra: you guess?  did you talk to anyone about it (such as elmo)?06:12
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ogramdz, nope, else i wouldnt guess :)06:12
mdzogra: very nice, re: ldm!  what branch do I merge to get that into ltsp? ;-)06:12
ogramdz, its currently only glade stuff... i'll send you a complete patch as soon as i have a working X setup for any of my ltsp boxes over here... cant test currently06:13
ogra(and yes, i saw the hint... i'll set up a ltsp branch for myself soon ;) )06:14
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Mezxfonts-core not fixed yet?06:16
ogradaniels, what about xlibs ? did you upload the fixed -43 ? i need it for ltsp testing...06:17
seb128sivang: when will gedit be ready for upload?06:17
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sivangseb128: I need to talk with jamesh about it, either I create functions inside the helper lib to provide me with bonnobu ui action group, or I have to patch each bonnobu ui app in away that would require seperate translation of it's launchpad items per each bonnobu ui app - I'd like to hear his oppinion before going furhter with bonnobo ui apps, in the meanwhile I will continue preparing you glade / UIManager / manual apps 06:26
dokoseb128: when will you build cairo using glitz?06:27
sivangseb128: what do you think, is bonnobo ui so deprected that we can just do local patches and drop them when its obsolete ?06:27
sivangmdz: what's ldm ?06:27
seb128doko: when elmo will sync glitz from Debian as said the other day06:28
seb128elmo: glitz sync please06:28
seb128sivang: that's an option06:29
seb128sivang: but you have already patched it, no? what method did you use?06:29
ograsivang, ltsp display manager06:29
seb128doko: why do you need glitz for?06:29
sivangogra: thx06:29
ograsivang, the gdm for cool guys ;)06:29
sivangogra: hehe :) nice06:29
dokoseb128: OOo206:29
elmoseb128: done06:31
seb128elmo: thanks06:31
sivangseb128: I used local patching ofcourse, however , before going to finish with the other bonnobo ui apps, I realized that whenever we change the launchapd names for actions , or change the laying of the actions (as we can change centrally in ui manager / glade) we would have to redo all the patches per all the patches apps06:32
seb128have you talked with jamesh about that?06:33
sivangseb128: not yet, have emailed him about it, still got no reply06:33
sivangseb128: I think we need at least have function in the helper lib to give us the actions text, so we would be able to control it form the lib06:34
sivangseb128: that would save the translation overhead greatly06:34
lamont__doko: ping06:34
dokolamont__: pong06:36
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mdzdaniels: setxkbmap seems to still be unusable for me with the latest breezy06:57
mdzError loading new keyboard description06:57
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mdzdaniels: hmm, not entirely, but 'setxkbmap dvorak' certainly fails, though 'setxkbmap us' works06:59
mdzdaniels: how can I debug this?06:59
Mezhmm :D07:00
MezOOo2 = broken07:00
ograMez, bah, who uses that... 07:00
Mezogra, it's a dependency of ubuntu-desktop07:00
ograMez, first they should make it compilable on the superior arches ;)07:01
ograi.e. amd64 ;)07:01
mdzit does compile; it just doesn't work properly07:01
Mezogra: be nice if you could install breezy :D07:01
Mezmdz: it depends on a package that is not installable07:01
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ogramdz, oh ? thats new to me...07:01
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Mez  openoffice.org2-base: Depends: libhsqldb-java (>= but it is not installable07:02
ograthats lame07:03
ograonly a dependency breakage...07:03
Mezbut that dep breakage breaks the whole breezy install :D07:03
Kamionit hasn't been promoted to main yet07:04
Kamionit isn't in anastacia's promotion list yet either; I assume it's new07:04
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carstenhpitti,jbailey: ping07:10
jbaileycarstenh: pong!07:11
jasoncohenpitti, thanks for getting the thunderbird update07:11
carstenhhi jbailey 07:11
carstenhjbailey: we need to talk about conffiles...07:11
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jbaileyMmm..  chewy chewy conffiles.07:12
carstenhjbailey: let's wait until pitti pongs :)07:13
jbaileycarstenh: No problem.  I'm not running out of other things to do. =)07:14
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carstenhjbailey: he seems not to be here atm. he told me in a mail you also got, that he'd like to see /etc/default/firewall as a conffile. if a package disables it using firewallconfig --disable and so changes this file, would it be policy-conform?07:24
carstenhjbailey: i guess it is not a conffile it will be policy-conform07:25
jbaileyIf that's all that's in it, I'd rather it not be marked as a conffile, snice if the user disables it, it's then easy to accidentally say "Overwrite my changes" at a package upgrade and find yourself locked out.07:27
jbaileyI'm curious why pitti thinks it ought to be.07:27
jbaileycarstenh: Did you see Matt's email reply as well?07:28
carstenhjbailey: not yet, wait a minute07:28
jpjbailey, nice to see evo without 'the bug'07:28
mdzRiddell: now that we have the -backports infrastructure, is there any reason you couldn't use that for your KDE backports?07:28
Mezmdz: I've already suggested that07:29
Mezwe just didnt know whether the KDE stuff would be beyond the wall eyt07:29
mdzMez: and?07:29
carstenhjbailey: yes, i just read it. i will reply as soon as i know what is possible according to the policy07:29
Mezas far as I know - there are differences between the breezy and the hoary backproted versions that cant be incorporated into them both.07:30
Mezso breezy needs to be changed before it'll build on hoary :D07:30
Mezaka ... direct upload needed to backport it07:30
MezI havent tried myself yet though... but That's what riddell said to me07:30
carstenhjbailey: what about /etc/firewall/conf, they need to change it using firewallconf too. should it be a conffile?07:31
carstenhjbailey: or should i create it in postinst?07:31
carstenhjbailey: and more important, is it allowed to change it for them using a script?07:32
mdzRiddell: I'm interested in the details07:32
carstenhjbailey: s/a script/a script provided by our package/07:33
jbaileyjp: Ah, is it fixed in the uploads seb did on the weekend?07:33
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Mezmdz, lemme see if I can find the logs07:34
jpjbailey it's was fixed on 2.3.5 release07:34
carstenhjbailey: i have to buy something to eat now. i will be back in 20 minutes07:37
jbaileycarstenh: I don't like how easy it is to accidentally wipe out a configuration file with conffile handling.  I get nervous at the idea of suddenly having a pile of firewall policy wiped because the sysadmin got asked a question (s)he didn't understand.07:37
carstenhjbailey: so i should create it in postinst and update it in portinst if nessessary and not mark it as conffile07:38
carstenhjbailey: back in 20 minutes...07:39
jbaileycarstenh: That's what I think, but if pitti thinks otherwise, I'd be interested in hearing why.07:39
ograelmo, can you sync bum from sid please07:43
ogra(if you havent already)07:44
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Mezmdz: they're proving elusive - but I'll keep trying07:45
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Mezmdz: it's because of the HAL stuff in oary being different than in Breezy - Riddell had to write a patch for HAL to work in KDE with breezy; with the patch it wont work in hoary, without it, it wont work in breezy07:50
MezI'm just emailing you logs07:51
dracUbuntu users with ATi cards seem to get restricted-modules-$(uname -r) installed by default and fglrx kernel module (version 8.8.25) from that package gets automatically loaded. This a) Causes troubles for people trying to install new drivers. b) Taints kernel by default, thus making it impossible to write any bugreports of kernel. Is this going to be fixed in Breezy ?07:51
AmaranthYou're not supposed to file bug reports upstream. :P07:51
dracOr is it intended to be this way?07:51
Treenaksdrac: "new drivers" should only be used from packages07:51
Treenaksdrac: and you can file the bugs in ubuntu just fine07:51
AmaranthAye, it's a ease-of-use thing.07:52
mdzMez: sounds like it could be addressed with an autoconf test07:52
mdzdrac: the module is installed by default, but should not be loaded by default07:52
jasoncohendrac, most users don't need a newer version of the driver- so it's easier if the kernel module is pre-installed07:53
mdzit isn't on my ATI-based systems07:53
Mezmdz: well I've emailed you the logs, and I've CC'd Riddell07:53
jasoncohenit's only loaded if you use driver fglrx in xorg.conf07:53
jasoncohenthe default is ati07:53
dracmdz, jasoncohen: So I should file bugreport about.. it getting automatically loaded?07:53
jasoncohendrac, well, what driver are you using in xorg.conf?07:53
dracjasoncohen: radeon07:53
jasoncohenthen- yes, it shouldn't be loaded07:54
jasoncohenlsmod | grep fglrx shows it loaded?07:54
Mezmdz: know when the backports buildds are going to be fixed: cause its still trying to build seahorse and firefox (after about a week)07:54
mdzdrac: check /etc/default/hotplug (IGNORE_PCI_CLASS_DISPLAY) and /etc/modules first07:54
mdzMez: what led you to the conclusion that the buildds are at fault?07:56
mdzMez: hmm, gcc-4.0.gcc-opt.  I see07:57
mdzMez: this looks to me like simply a bug in the firefox package07:57
mdzthis has nothing to do with the buildds07:57
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marcinjbailey: ping07:59
jbaileymarcin: pong08:00
marcinjbailey: hi08:01
marcinjbailey: so, what about this CalendarSynchronization goal?08:01
carstenhjbailey: changing out configuration-files using scripts is allowed, at least when they are not markes as conffiles, right?08:01
jbaileymarcin: You're right that I got confused between the caldav stuff and the ical publishing for evolution and that it's not done upstream yet.08:05
siretartjbailey: both? or just one of them?08:07
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bddebianHello sabdfl08:07
siretarthi mark!08:07
highvoltagehi sabdfl08:07
sabdflhey guys08:07
jbaileycarstenh: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ap-pkg-conffiles.html only mentions the maintainer scripts, but I'm more worried about dpkg asking whether or not the defatuls should be okay, and having someone suddenly make their system unusable.08:07
jbaileysiretart: I don't think caldav is really on evolution's radar yet, even.08:08
mjg59jbailey: Hi08:09
jbaileysiretart: The spec we did at udu basically said "Better iCal is coming, caldav is the right thing and isn't anywhere near existing yet.  Let's try again after breezy releases"08:09
ograhey sabdfl 08:09
whiprushthe status for caldav in their wiki is "Being worked on".08:09
jbaileywhiprush: I suspect it's on a branch then, I don't see a mention of it in the changelog.08:10
siretartjbailey: so the only possibilty for syncronizing calendars in evolution is using the exchange plugin with a groupware like opengroupware, did I get that right?08:10
whiprushjbailey: yeah, definately post gnome 2.1208:10
mjg59siretart: Or multisync08:10
ograsabdfl, i had several discussions with thesaltydog since some months... i thought i was clear when i told him we'd sync bum from debian...08:10
siretartmjg59: ah, right. thanks 08:11
jbaileysiretart: Right, and a random reading of google hits seems to make it look like multisync does an adequate job at least.08:11
carstenhjbailey: as far as i understand it it would be ok if none of our configfiles is marked as conffile. i don't like them to be conffiles, but i'd like to hear pittis opinion about that too08:11
ograsabdfl, it just hadnt happened yet because MOTU land is very busy merging and transitioning :) but we normally dont loose stuff from our lists :)08:12
jbaileycarstenh: Cool.  Does this block you from continuing on other bits?08:12
carstenhjbailey: and not marking tham as such dpkg would not ask :)08:12
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carstenhjbailey: i only need to know if it is allowed to go this way08:12
Mezmdz: what led me to believe it was that infinity said it had kept being given back to the buildd ...08:12
bddebianBah, where's tseng when I need him? :-)08:13
Mezmdz: I sent elmo an email and asked him to kill firefox from the buildd... cause it was requested before the new FF release for hoary08:13
mdzMez: a crucial step when diagnosing any build problem is to read the log of the build08:13
Mezmdz: I didnt see any log08:13
mdzyou can't infer much from the status08:13
mdzMez: where did you look?08:13
MezI was just looking at http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Lists/hoary-backports.all.i38608:13
mdzit's been there since 26 July08:13
carstenhjbailey: and before i create a package it should be clear if it would be a conffile, since i have to support upgrades08:14
MezI assumed as it was in the state "Building" there wouldnt be any log08:14
mdzMez: always look for a log; you can find them by browsing http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/08:15
Mezah fair enough... I would have expected it to be set to "faileD" in the List though08:15
Kamionpackages go back into Building when they're being rebuilt08:15
Kamionretried, rather08:15
Kamionif something is in Building that doesn't mean it wasn't tried before08:15
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Mezbut, firefox still needs to be killed08:15
Amaranthyeah, those silly things just keep trying08:15
Mezit doesnt need to be backported anymore08:16
lamont__Mez: Building rarely means currently-building.  Usually it means "failed"08:16
Mezlamont, fair enough- what about "Needs-Build"08:16
lamont__needs-build means that it will be tried (again?) soon.  It's also possible that it's already building, since the state files are synced over every 20 minutes or so08:17
lamont__after it finishes trying to build (state==Building), and fails, then (possibly with manual intervention), it moves into Needs-Build, Dep-Wait, Failed, or Uploaded.08:17
Mezlamont - 7 pacxkages have been Needs-Build for the past week or so in backports, and ff/seahorse have been building08:17
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lamont__looks, even08:18
MezI assumed that because it was that state, it had been broken08:18
marcinjbailey: So, do you expect some work on ical implementation?08:18
MezI did poke infinity :D08:18
mdzlamont__: wasn't someone in Debian working on a "how to interpret buildd results" document?08:18
marcinsiretart: afaik multisync is corrently out of date and doesn't work with current evo release08:18
Mezmdz: so even though http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Lists/hoary-backports.all.i386 has been like that for 6/7 days - it's how it's meant to be08:19
lamont__mdz: could be... I'll poke around08:19
siretartmarcin: you mean in universe or doesn't even multisync upstream have a fixed version?08:19
mdzlamont__: I think maybe vorlon08:19
lamont__Mez: well, at 6-7 days, either all the buildd's are ignoring the packages... there are various reasons that could be...08:20
lamont__which is what I mean to determine08:20
mdzlamont__: yeah, it was vorlon08:20
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mdzbut I think it may be stalled.  something like that would be very nice to have, though08:20
lamont__ah... unknown universe packages.08:20
lamont__elmo: hoary-backports has some unknown source that needs to be {un,mult}iverse08:21
lamont__Mez: those packages are staying in Needs-Build, but you should see build logs for them approx every 30 minutes...08:21
lamont__they'll be the spam that's in ~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/today.html08:21
lamont__unknown maps to 'main', and those packages aren't in main.  So the build fails because it can't find source for the package.  And then we retry it.08:22
lamont__actually, I think those are once every 8 hours08:22
lamont__not 30 minutes08:22
lamont__mdz: I'll poke vorlon08:22
marcinsiretart: I know that in hoary multisync and evo from packages doesn't work together08:23
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marcinsiretart: but I also know that multisync package is with latest version available08:23
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lamont__mdz: looks like maybe a bit of scope-mismatch with vorlon's doc.08:26
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mdzmaybe I misinterpreted his goal08:28
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mdkeelmo, has henrik spoken to you about pointing a domain at the docteam linode server?08:32
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tsengbddebian: ?08:34
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bddebiantseng: Never mind we got it thanks08:39
tsengbddebian: ok.08:39
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mjg59Hmm. My X has stopped starting.09:08
bddebianstopped starting?  Heh09:09
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mjg59Dantis: Please to be fixing libvgahw kthxbye?09:20
mjg59daniels: Please to be fixing libvgahw09:20
mjg59ogra: Ping?09:22
ogramjg59, pong09:22
highvoltageogra: syn09:22
mjg59ogra: Hi - I'm playing with gnome-power-manager09:22
ogramjg59, cvs version ?09:22
mjg59ogra: Breezy version09:22
ogramjg59, drop that09:22
mjg59ogra: Ok. Have you got packages anywhere?09:23
ogramjg59, i'll package the cvs version as soon as the new dbus from daniels is there09:23
mjg59ogra: Ok09:23
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ograthere changed a lot between the current packages and cvs09:23
mjg59ogra: Main thing was that it, uh, doesn't actually seem to do anything when you ask it to suspend09:23
mjg59Is that fixed? :)09:23
ogramjg59, yep09:23
ogralol, sure09:24
mjg59I think the UI needs some work, too09:24
ogramjg59, hughsie is quite often around here now... i think we can address all our concerns directly to get it fixed upstream ;)09:25
mjg59Other than that, it seems promising09:25
ograthe ui already got some work... bt i havent seen it yet ... without dbusits pretty useless... it uses the new functionallity in dbus extensively09:26
mjg59ogra: Best thing to do for us is to have it configured to call gdm-signal09:27
ograin the scripts/gconf settings ?09:28
jasoncohenpitti, why does http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/ubuntu-cve/unfixed.html show CVE's for php4 that are security issues in mozilla/firefox- not php4? 09:31
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pittijasoncohen: as I already said, that was a changelog typo09:34
pittijasoncohen: currently a php upgrade is in progress, we'll fix the changelogs with it09:34
jasoncohenpitti, sorry, my mistake09:34
pittijasoncohen: no worries :)09:35
pittijasoncohen: I cleaned up the lists a bit today and did some small updates09:35
pittijbailey, carstenh: I'm back09:35
carstenhwb pitti :)09:35
jasoncohenpitti, did you do the gzip, unzip and mozilla-thunderbird updates all this weekend?09:36
pittijasoncohen: I did the first two today, infinity did tbird09:36
pittijasoncohen: I'm currently fighting with mozilla 1.7.11 again :-/09:36
carstenhpitti: did you read our discussion or should i summarize it?09:36
pitticarstenh: I didn't read scrollback yet, I just arrived09:37
pitticarstenh: are there any outstanding things?09:37
jasoncohenpitti, i thought 1.7.10 was the latest. the download on http://www.mozilla.org/products/mozilla1.x/ is 1.7.1009:37
carstenhpitti: you said in your mail that you'd like to see /etc/default/firewall as a conffile. do you have any reasons for that?09:38
jasoncohenpitti, is 1.7.11 in the works?09:38
carstenhpitti: we also think /etc/firewall/conf should -not- be a conffile09:38
pittijasoncohen: no, it's released, it fixes two regressions in mailnews09:38
pittijasoncohen: unfortunately they also ripped out a complete library, so it doesn't build ATM09:39
jasoncohenpitti, weird...mozilla hasn't updated their site yet to reflect the new release09:39
pitticarstenh: no, the initial profiles should be conffiles, /etc/default/ubuntu-firewall (!, not /e/d/firewall) can be a normal configuration file09:40
pittijasoncohen: I saw the annoucement on full-disclosure or bugtraq09:40
carstenhpitti: what about /etc/firewall/conf?09:41
pitticarstenh: small files for enabling/disabling which are acually _supposed_ to be changed should be in /etc/default09:41
pitticarstenh: i. e. /etc/default/<packagename>09:42
jasoncohenfound mention of 1.7.11 on mozillazine - http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=701909:42
carstenhpitti: sure, but the assignment of profiles to interfaces is done in /etc/firewall/conf09:42
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pitticarstenh: that sounds fine09:44
carstenhpitti: and if dpkg asks a user after ltsp has changed this file to add masquerading if the new config-file should be used he may render his system unusable or at least not work as he expect09:44
pitticarstenh: but the profiles itself are stored in a directory?09:44
carstenhpitti: sure09:44
pitticarstenh: please don't ever try to mangle any but the most trivial config files with maintainer scripts, that will break09:45
pitticarstenh: that's why I would rather see some conf.d/-style directories where packages can drop policies in09:45
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carstenhpitti: and the profiles accept-installed and accept-all are not planned as files, this are internal profiles09:45
pitticarstenh: hm, why not make them explicit?09:46
carstenhpitti: good question :)09:46
pitticarstenh: hardcoding such things is neither elegant nor a good design09:46
pitticarstenh: so a good packaging would make it possible to only drop an additional conffile in a conf.d/ directory and change policy with that09:46
carstenhpitti: ok, then i will remove these internal profiles and move them to its directory :)09:47
pitticarstenh: as soon as you start to write wild constructs with grep and sed into your maintainer scripts, then there will always be one special case where it breaks09:47
carstenhpitti: /lastlog worried09:48
jasoncohenpitti, i see that the changelogs of firefox & thunderbird now include both the MFSA's and CVE's- very nice09:48
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carstenhpitti: do you prefer making this case possible and therefor make postint easier?09:49
pitticarstenh: "this case" == ?09:49
carstenhpitti: see query :)09:50
jasoncohenpitti, any chance of seeing MFSA's and CVEs in the USNs?09:50
carstenhi.e. after ltsp has added masquerading09:50
pittijasoncohen: well, having them in the changelogs is fine, but MFSAs are just a special case, so I wouldn't like to include them09:51
pittijasoncohen: otherwise folks start to demand Redhat bug numbers and bugtraq ID, too09:51
pittijasoncohen: why do you think they would be important?09:51
pkernCVEs should be enough.09:52
jasoncoheni guess now it's kind of trivial. I thought it was important before because when i would check the USNs against the MFSA's on mozilla's site it was difficult to know what was patched and what wasn't09:52
jasoncohennow that you're using the new upstream release, i guess it's irrelevant09:53
jasoncohenpitti, why is it ok to include it in the changelog but not the USNs?09:55
pittijasoncohen: I think the USNs should have a very standardized format09:55
pittijasoncohen: OTOH, linking to more references like upstream patches or numbers is fine for a changelog, which is more developer oriented and package specific09:56
jasoncohenah, i see09:56
jasoncoheni didn't realize that09:56
pittiwell, there is certainly no sharp boundary09:57
pittiit just became common practice of me09:57
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jasoncohenpitti, ...also, why do some packages receive updates in hoary-security that say "increment version number for hoary-security" if the version was already upped for the security update?09:58
jasoncohenlike gzip went from 1.3.5-9ubuntu3.2 to 1.3.5-9ubuntu3.3 and it was upped once again to 3.4 for no apparent reason09:59
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pittijasoncohen: that's a rather bad workaround for having exactly the same version in two releases10:00
pittijasoncohen: I was told to not upload the same version into multiple releaes10:00
pittijasoncohen: so I uplooaded 3.3 into warty-security and 3.4 into hoary-security10:00
jasoncohenah, got it10:00
pittijasoncohen: I think the solution we found for mozilla (0ubuntu04.10 and 05.04) is slightly better, although the numbers look worse10:01
jasoncohenwhy does it matter if the version is the same in two releases? 10:01
jasoncohenoh, because everything is in the same pool directory- so you want to keep them independent?10:01
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jasoncohenpitti, yeah- i was wondering about the 4.10 and 5.04 numbering scheme but it seems to make more sense10:02
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pittijasoncohen: compared to naming it 0warty1 and 0hoary1 it always has the correct order, whereas 0warty1 is newer than 0hoary110:04
jasoncohenyeah, makes sense10:05
jasoncohenwhy can't you skip versions - say form 1.35-9ubuntu3.2 to 1.35-9ubuntu3.4 so you wouldn't need a changelog entry just for incrementing10:06
mdzpitti: are we affected by CAN-2005-1268 or CAN-2005-2088?10:07
jasoncohenpitti, sorry for asking all these questions. i'm just wondering how it works10:07
pittimdz: I didn't check the apache thing (2088) yet, still busy with other security updates10:08
pittimdz: what is 2088?10:08
pittierm, what is 1268?10:09
mdzpitti: 1268 off-by-one overflow in apache210:09
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trygvebwwhat is the meaning of "x is a lot less broken"? does it work, or is it near working?10:11
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jasoncohenpitti, http://www.xatrix.org/advisory.php?s=665410:13
pittijasoncohen: thanks10:14
pittiok, good night guys10:14
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dholbachinfinity, elmo: could somebody of you sync baobab from unstable?10:27
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ogramdz, ping, if you have a second, /join #edubuntu10:33
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dholbachi'm off again... see you soon10:40
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Keybukmeh @ nautilus10:54
Keybukit's putting folders on my desktop in the top-left, not where I drop them/click the menu to make them10:54
jasoncoheni have a question about the hoary release notes. It says that in order to upgrade from warty to hoary using apt you should change "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted" to "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted" in /etc/apt/sources.list. Won't this however leave the user with warty-updates and warty-security? Even worse, if the user enabled universe and multiverse from warty, h10:59
jasoncohene now has a half warty & half hoar system. 10:59
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dholbachjasoncohen: it's the usual setup a user has, but you're right, it should be more explicit11:00
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jasoncohendholbach, warty-security and warty-updates weren't enabled by default?11:01
dholbacherm, well they should11:01
dokomdz, Kamion, elmo: please promote libsigc++-1.2-5c2 to main (replacing libsigc++-1.2-5), synced from Debian11:02
Amaranthwarty-updates didn't exist11:03
mdzAmaranth: eh?11:04
jasoncohenAmaranth, was warty-security enabled? i can't seem to find an original warty sources.list11:04
jasoncohengods...ubuntuguide or warty recommended using marillat. what crap11:04
Amaranthubuntuguide, yeah11:05
jasoncohen95% of the time a user can't install some software i find it's because they have a marillat source11:05
jasoncohenfound an original sources.list - http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3916.html11:08
jasoncoheni still don't understand why the release notes wouldn't ask the user to change warty-security to hoary-security. 11:08
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mdkejasoncohen, perhaps the release notes have a bug11:12
mdkenobody is perfect11:12
jasoncohenmdke, who would i contact about changing it? it's pretty important that users get security updates11:14
mdkejasoncohen, file a bug11:14
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dholbachgood night11:25
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azeemwas gnat-4.0 (libgnat-4.0.so, specifically) broken in hoary?11:40
azeemit's a broken symlink here11:41
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Mezmdz: ping11:43
mdzdoko: you mean 'accept from new', rather than 'promote to main', right?11:45
mdzMez: yes?11:45
Mezmdz: Riddell's here now, you can talk to both of us regarding backporting KDE11:46
Mez :d11:46
mdzMez: I already followed up via email11:46
Mezoh, did you?11:46
mdzis there something new to discuss?11:46
mdzabout 2 minutes after I received it11:46
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=== Mez didnt see that
ogradoko, according to the recent map on www.redhat.com you and pitti still live in the gdr :) http://www.redhat.com/g/promos/second_intelvid_050726.png11:47
RiddellMez, mdz: it should all be possible, just a case of fiddling with build-deps11:48
MezRiddell, I dont mind that, as I just saidm ut is there any chance you can provide your source packages from your hoary build, or debdiffs from the both of them?11:48
RiddellMez: they're all there11:49
Meznvm, just saw your reply :d11:49
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dokomdz: yes,  'accept from new', then it lands in universe, then promote it to main11:52
dokoogra: apparently the resolution is to low to show the cow barn, where you live ;-)11:54
ograbut someone should tell them that their marketing lives 16 years in the past ;)11:55
Mezlamont, did you uncover anything on the buildd's regarding backport11:55
Amaranthogra: Someone pulled a bad stock image out, it happens.11:56
ograAmaranth, yep.. 11:57
Amaranthanyone else having fonts go all funny in firefox?11:58
Amaranthlike too small, then bold, then too large and bold11:59
lamont__Mez: yes... and I rambled on about it about 10 lines after I said I'd check.11:59
Amaranthhmm, maybe it's just slashdot11:59
mxpxpodAmaranth: my app fonts are messed up in firefox11:59
lamont__unknown/ packages in Lists/* are presumed to be in main.  if they're in any other component, they won't build until the archive is fixed.12:00
lamont__and that's an elmo thing12:00
Mezah ...12:00
Mezso, is it all fixed?12:00
mxpxpodAmaranth: but we've already talked about that :)12:00
elmolamont: no, it's not, unless you tell me about it12:01
lamont__I doubt it... unless someone has gotten an ack from elmo... See http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Lists/hoary-backports.all.i38612:01
Mezelmo, I sent you an email about it ... :D and I think infinity did too 12:01
lamont__elmo: iz in scrollback a few hours back... I was mostly dumping it back on Mez.12:01
lamont__there are several unknown/ packages (whcih are really universe) in hoary-backports.12:01
Mezlamont - I got grabbed away from PC to job search12:02
lamont__for values of several in the vicinity of 612:02
lamont__elmo: I should have emailed you, sorry12:03

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