[12:28] <SloMo> gn8 everbody
[01:55] <CarlFK> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/x11/gtranscode -  "transcode Pakage not available" - should something like this be reported somewhere?
[01:57] <crimsun> already reported in malone iirc
[01:57] <crimsun> you can compile transcode manually
[01:58] <crimsun> it may be in hoary-extras of ubp, too
[01:58] <Burgundavia> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/586
[01:58] <CarlFK> thanks
[02:00] <majic> okay, did apt-cdrom and added my cdrom to apt. Trying to do "pbuilder create --distribution hoary" to set up the chroot env to build packages however pbuilder is still complaining that it cannot find the cdrom. Anyone have this problem? The docs on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto doesn't describe this problem
[02:01] <majic> I have the cdrom inserted and mounted and it's in my /apt/sources.list, when I do run "pbuilder create --distribution hoary" it errors out when trying to find stuff that is on the cdrom.
[02:01] <crimsun> hmm?
[02:02] <crimsun> you must not have edited your sources.list
[02:02] <majic> I tried removing the cdrom line in /apt/sources.list and it still complained
[02:03] <crimsun> I presume you mean the sources.list for your pbuilder
[02:03] <CarlFK> I have the transcode source (I have been building tc from source for years) - what does it take to make a .deb?  (guessing there is a URL I need to read)
[02:03] <crimsun> apt-get build-dep transcode
[02:03] <CarlFK> crimsun - um.... after ./configure && make?
[02:04] <crimsun> no, before
[02:04] <crimsun> majic: did you edit ~/.pbuilderrc ?
[02:04] <majic> yes
[02:04] <crimsun> majic: you don't need to pass --distribution
[02:05] <majic> I was following along on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[02:05] <majic> maybe that's not the best tutorial
[02:05] <bddebian> Worked For Me (tm)
[02:05] <bddebian> :-)
[02:06] <crimsun> majic: did it create the base.tar.gz successfully?
[02:07] <majic> not yet. I was editing the wrong sources list. I presume I need to remove the cdrom entry.
[02:07] <crimsun> yes
[02:07] <majic> I'm rerunning pbuilder now
[02:08] <bddebian> crimsun: You know much about UniverseUnmetDeps?
[02:08] <crimsun> bddebian: I haven't looked at it lately
[02:08] <crimsun> (sec)
[02:08] <bddebian> I mean, if I "fix" something, should I put it on REVU or just make a note on that page?
[02:09] <bddebian> not being an MOTU that is
[02:10] <crimsun> oh, if you're not a MOTU I presume it needs to go through REVU
[02:10] <crimsun> \sh probably will clarify
[02:17] <majic> I appreciate the help crimsun, this time it worked. I'm sure if I had a few more days experience using Ubuntu I would have had enough common sense to have removed that line myself.
[02:17] <majic> I spun my wheels for over an hour doing the same crap over and over with the same error =)
[02:17] <bddebian> crimsun: OK, thx
[02:18] <crimsun> majic: oh don't worry, I got tripped up by 99update-notifier for a bit
[02:18] <crimsun> after a while it becomes monotonous setting up pbuilders :)
[02:19] <CarlFK> building tc - autoreconf -f -i  "aclocal: configure.in: 26: macro `AM_PROG_AS' not found in library"
[02:19] <crimsun> did you libtoolize?
[02:19] <CarlFK> um.. is that a verb? ;)
[02:20] <majic> I'm going to attempt to fix the Ruby package to the latest stable release [1.8.2] , I'm probably biting off more than I can chew but we'll see.
[02:20] <crimsun> CarlFK: it's both a verb and a command (ugh)
[02:21] <CarlFK> my tc installs have been on RH and gentoo - first time on ubuntu
[02:21] <crimsun> CarlFK: did you check if transcode is in hoary-extras?
[02:21] <CarlFK> not to mention I never quite know what I am doing ;)
[02:22] <crimsun> will save you quite a bit of time if it is in that repo
[02:22] <CarlFK> indeed.  I don't see it in http://packages.ubuntu.com - where is extras?
[02:24] <bddebian> crimsun: Are you taking care of the xfce stuff on MOTUToMerge?
[02:24] <crimsun> bddebian: Jani and I are, yep
[02:25] <crimsun> bddebian: those will all be moot after the merge from os-works
[02:25] <bddebian> Ah OK
[02:33] <CarlFK> using deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted - I get transcode: Depends: libavifile-0.7c102 (>= 1:0.7.38.20030710-1.2) but it is not installable
[02:33] <CarlFK> it that fixable, or is it build from source time?
[02:34] <crimsun> I don't know if hoary-extras is built from breezy
[02:35] <CarlFK> im working on a hoary box
[02:36] <crimsun> ah, it's in hoary/universe
[02:36] <crimsun> check apt-cache policy libavifile-0.7c102
[02:37] <CarlFK> whoops, this is a breezy box... doh
[02:37] <CarlFK> they are both desktop boxes - I got confused ;)
[02:43] <CarlFK> libavifile-0.7c102:   Installed: (none)  Candidate: (none)  Version table:
[02:43] <crimsun> you don't appear to have hoary/universe enabled on that install
[02:44] <CarlFK> I can do that?
[02:44] <CarlFK> on a breezy box?
[02:44] <crimsun> I wouldn't.
[02:45] <CarlFK> this is kinda a play box, so as long as it doesn't catch fire I am not to worried about it getting screwed up
[02:46] <crimsun> Breezy has libavifile-0.7 in universe
[02:46] <crimsun> it looks like you'll need to pull the source for transcode from hoary-extras and tweak debian/control, then compile it yourself. You'll need libavifile-0.7-dev
[02:47] <CarlFK> why hoary-extras and not cvs (which I allready have)
[02:47] <CarlFK> I know:
[02:48] <CarlFK> i need debian/control, which is in the hoary-extras package, right?
[02:49] <bddebian> It's in all debian/Ubuntu packages :-)
[02:49] <Amaranth> hoary-extras doesn't have source
[02:49] <CarlFK> im getting dizzy
[02:49] <crimsun> CarlFK: you don't _have_ to use hoary-extras. I simply suggested that in case it was compiled. Looks like you'll have to compile it manually regardless.
[02:50] <Amaranth> gradzac: You're from Omaha?
[02:50] <CarlFK> ok, which brings us back to libtoolize, which I ran, and still get "aclocal: configure.in: 26: macro `AM_PROG_AS' not found in library"
[02:51] <gradzac> do you have autoconf installed?
[02:51] <CarlFK> yes
[02:52] <crimsun> what version of automake?
[02:57] <CarlFK> automake (GNU automake) 1.4-p6
[02:58] <ajmitch> afternoon
[02:58] <crimsun> afternoon, ajmitch
[02:59] <crimsun> CarlFK: I don't know offhand if you'll need to upgrade automake versions (~1.9)
[03:00] <CarlFK> yup - tc readme: To do this you need _recent_ versions of autoconf (>= 2.59), automake (>= 1.8) and libtool (>= 1.5)
[03:03] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[03:13] <CarlFK> ah, the ver is in the package name... automake1.8
[03:13] <crimsun> indeed
[03:15] <CarlFK> and I have to apt-get remove autoconf too.
[03:15] <CarlFK> er
[03:15] <CarlFK> automake
[03:52] <gradzac> anyone know if someone is working on updating the version of Glade in ubuntu??
[03:54] <Amaranth> to what?
[03:55] <Amaranth> the latest release is 2.10.0, which we have
[03:55] <gradzac> ahh...my bad, there is a glade-2 package
[03:58] <CarlFK> ah, the ver is in the package name... automake1.8 ;)
[03:59] <CarlFK> it should just know
[04:00] <Amaranth> err
[04:00] <Amaranth> how does apt automagically know what you're compiling and what version of automake it needs to give you the correct version?
[04:02] <CarlFK> automagic.
[04:02] <CarlFK> im just kidding
[04:02] <crimsun> Amaranth: alternatives
[04:02] <CarlFK> there should be an autohell package that installs all of them
[04:03] <CarlFK> and then a script that tries each version untill something works
[04:03] <crimsun> autohell_0.1 is NEW
[04:03] <CarlFK> that way I would have 0.0 chance of knowing what is going on.
[04:03] <CarlFK> as opposed to this "I think I got it" feeling that leads to hours disapearing
[04:20] <gradzac> Amaranth: yes, I live near Omaha
[04:20] <Amaranth> gradzac: Cool, my grandparents live there.
[04:20] <gradzac> CarlFK: automake, autoconf....all give me headaches
[04:21] <gradzac> Amaranth: hopefully you are some place that is not as hot/humid as it is here
[04:21] <Amaranth> gradzac: haha, Sioux City, Iowa
[04:21] <Amaranth> so yeah, it's just as hot and humid
[04:22] <gradzac> yup :(
[04:23] <Amaranth> well...hi from 100mi north! :)
[04:27] <gradzac> Amaranth: heh...didn't know they had the internet in Iowa :)
[04:28] <Amaranth> *smack*
[04:33] <CarlFK> Carrier Pigeon Internet Protocol
[04:34] <gradzac> thats a messy protocol....it drops packets all over the place
[04:34] <CarlFK> heh
[04:34] <bddebian> heh
[04:34] <Lathiat> hahaha
[04:34] <Lathiat> that just made my day
[04:38] <CarlFK> according to http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt that is an audit trail.
[04:38] <gradzac> oh yeah...I forgot there was an RFC for that :)
[04:38] <CarlFK> there is a way larger version of this somewhere
[04:39] <CarlFK> or maybe not...
[05:56] <ajmitch> hello \sh
[05:57] <Burgundavia> \sh, if I feed you .desktop files, will you do the package editing stuff (I don't have time to play with learning that right now)
[05:58] <ajmitch> \sh: I'm just reverting the c++ lib rename on libsdl-sound1.2 if you don't mind :)
[05:58] <\sh> Burgundavia: sure..
[05:58] <\sh> ajmitch: thx
[05:58] <\sh> *argl*
[05:58] <ajmitch> as it's one of a number that export a C interface
[05:58] <ajmitch> annoying, I know
[05:58] <\sh> ajmitch: it was written on the list ,-)
[05:58] <ajmitch> yeah, but we've got a different name than debian now
[05:58] <bddebian> \sh: Got any suggestions of things for me to look at next?
[05:59] <\sh> bddebian: did u get any mail from katie concerning pmock?
[05:59] <\sh> ajmitch: when it's not a c++ lib, I think it's correct to revert it
[05:59] <bddebian> \sh: No, I don't think so
[06:00] <ajmitch> \sh: well, it's a C++ lib
[06:00] <\sh> bddebian: please check, when your email addr is whitelisted by elmo
[06:00] <ajmitch> but doesn't export the symbols as that
[06:00] <ajmitch> thanks to our friend extern "C"
[06:00] <bddebian> Aren't only MOTUs whitelisted?
[06:00] <\sh> eeks
[06:00] <\sh> bddebian: no everybody who contribute to universe should be whitelisted
[06:01] <bddebian> Do I contribute? ;-)
[06:01] <\sh> bddebian: because only whitelisted email addresses will get replies from katie if the package is accepted or not, even when it's a sponsored upload
[06:01] <\sh> bddebian: yes
[06:02] <\sh> bddebian: you can ask stoopid questions, dude :)
[06:02] <\sh> ajmitch: then revert it pls :)
[06:02] <ajmitch> \sh: doing so, it was already noted as that in bugzilla :)
[06:03] <ajmitch> since the debian maintainer questioned the transition
[06:04] <\sh> bddebian: I'm just curious cause I've uploaded pmock with your changelog entry, and I don't receive any mail from katie, cause it would send you the mail if it's accepted or not, and I didn't receive any mail from breezy-changes
[06:05] <\sh> Burgundavia: u r refering to my mail on ubuntu-devel (couple of minutes ago?)
[06:05] <bddebian> \sh: Ah, OK.  Am I to request whitelisting from elmo?
[06:05] <Burgundavia> \sh, yes
[06:06] <\sh> bddebian: wiki.ubuntu.com/Uploads
[06:06] <\sh> Burgundavia: I thought so..I should shut the fck up early in the morning ;)
[06:06] <Burgundavia> \sh, I beat you. Why not to blog when very tired --> http://www.advogato.org/person/Burgundavia/diary.html?start=21
[06:08] <\sh> Burgundavia: oh I blogged as well this morning...giving a nice trackback to Jorges Plaxo article ;)
[06:08] <ajmitch> gah
[06:08] <ajmitch> thanks for reminding me that I haven't wasted enough time reading planets today :)
[06:09] <Burgundavia> ouch
[06:09] <\sh> funny ideas I have in the early morning hours...I'm mental ill I think totally paranoid
[06:09] <Burgundavia> that plaxo stuff is evil. My attitude towards non-free stuff is gradually hardening
[06:10] <\sh> ajmitch: lol
[06:10] <bddebian> \sh: It says maintainers should request whitelisting??
[06:10] <\sh> bddebian: yes you're as well a maintainer...cause u r contributing with your name and email address..
[06:11] <\sh> only keyring stuff is for approved motus
[06:11] <ajmitch> yay, new monopod release
[06:11] <bddebian> You guys are damn confusing :-)
[06:12] <\sh> as I said, I have mad cow desease *lol*
[06:12] <\sh> ok...last cigarette and then shower and rushing to work
[06:13] <ajmitch> ok \sh  :)
[06:13] <bddebian> mmm, cigarette...
[06:16] <\sh> bddebian: But u don't want to get rich? creating a case against the tobacco industry or something like that? ;)
[06:17] <bddebian> Hell no.  I take responsibility for my own actions
[06:22] <\sh> bddebian: good american boy  *rotfl*
[06:23] <bddebian> hmmm
[06:27] <\sh> bddebian: I was just making a joke about those people, who have cancer and were creating cases against philip morris ,-) "Hey, I just smoke 60 years of my life...i didn't know that it can kill me"
[06:28] <bddebian> Aye
[06:28] <\sh> "and now, I'm just dead, but u r at fault, u evil phillip morris"
[06:28] <bddebian> \sh: So if I start looking at unmet deps again and I can "fix" one, where do I put it?  REVU?
[06:28] <\sh> bddebian: no..put it on the wiki page
[06:28] <\sh> with your and stuff..provide at least a debdiff somewhere..if you need webspace, ask me pls :)
[06:28] <bddebian> \sh: Does anyone look at that? ;-P
[06:29] <\sh> bddebian: what do u think? *blink*
[06:30] <ajmitch> no, we spend all our time here talking :)
[06:31] <\sh> ajmitch: not me...I'm sitting half naked in front of my laptop and I wanted to go and have a shower..but anyways...I will go later to work ,-) nobodies rushing me and I'm not on the run
[06:32] <ajmitch> heh
[06:33] <ajmitch> time for me to write some more scripts tonight, comparing library names in debian & ubuntu :)
[06:33] <Burgundavia> somebody asking for a gnome-power-manager backport
[06:33] <bddebian> Ack
[06:34] <\sh> jesus...
[06:34] <ajmitch> I think we'll revert any c++ unneeded transitions, and rebuild packages that depend on them
[06:34] <ajmitch> painful, but less pain than doing it later
[06:34] <bddebian> ajmitch: Well look at libgdal1 :-)
[06:35] <\sh> whats with libgdal?
[06:35] <\sh> whats with libgdal1?
[06:35] <ajmitch> I don't see any libgdal1
[06:35] <bddebian> Dunno but grass depends on it and it libgdal1c2 now :)
[06:35] <\sh> yes right
[06:35] <ajmitch> ah there we go..
[06:36] <\sh> bddebian: so recompile
[06:36] <\sh> gras
[06:36] <\sh> s
[06:36] <ajmitch> bddebian: probably just one of the main apps that need rebuilt, unless you're sure that it's a C interface
[06:36] <ajmitch> s/main/many/
[06:36] <bddebian> \sh: Not if ajmitch is going to rename it :-)
[06:36] <\sh> bddebian: no..he's not renaming it
[06:36] <bddebian> ajmitch: I haven't looked at it that close yet
[06:37] <ajmitch> bddebian:  I'm only going to revert renames on those libs that didn't need renamed
[06:37] <ajmitch> doing otherwise would be stupid :)
[06:37] <bddebian> Heh
[06:37] <ajmitch> and would cause \sh to hunt me down
[06:37] <\sh> hehe
[06:38] <\sh> bddebian: before u start with unmetdeps..you should read
[06:38] <\sh> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyToolchainTransition
[06:38] <\sh> and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CxxLibraryList
[06:39] <\sh> most of the apps on unmetdeps have unmetdeps cause they need some rebuild love cause of the cxx transition
[06:39] <ajmitch> rebuilds are mostly done by those who can upload
[06:39] <\sh> but u have to check as well the changelogs...cause doko rebuild some already
[06:39] <ajmitch> since it's only a changelog entry in most cases
[06:39] <ajmitch> I find it easiest to look on my gmail account
[06:39] <\sh> and a buildX to the version
[06:39] <ajmitch> nice & simple to search breezy-changes there ;)
[06:40] <\sh> I'm not allowed anymore to use gmail in germany..cause of shitty trademarks of a german idiot...who prevent google of spreading gmail to germany ,-)
[06:41] <\sh> s/of/from/
[06:41] <ajmitch> ouch
[06:42] <ajmitch> hasn't someone been to his house & 'visited' him?
[06:42] <\sh> ajmitch: problem is..he's not living in germany, but on some island...he knows why ,-)
[06:42] <\sh> bloody stupid rich child with no brain
[06:43] <ajmitch> yeah
[06:44] <ajmitch> bddebian: good news
[06:45] <ajmitch> gdal looks like it might be another C interfaced lib :)
[06:46] <\sh> ok...gdal.h is c callable
[06:47] <ajmitch> yes, as well as a number of other headers
[06:47] <ajmitch> I haven't done any exhaustive review of the headers that get installed or the library symbols
[06:47] <\sh> I hate this
[06:48] <\sh> all the work for nothing...but anyways..false positives
[06:48] <ajmitch> it's ok..
[06:48] <ajmitch> most of the work that was done was very useful
[06:50] <\sh> ok...have to rush now...shower, leaving for office
[06:50] <bddebian> Later \sh, I'm leaving for bed :-)
[06:50] <\sh> cu later
[06:50] <ajmitch> bye
[06:50] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[06:50] <\sh> bddebian: have a good night :)
[06:50] <bddebian> Thx
[06:50] <\sh> later ajmitch
[07:35] <crimsun> I really should install ccache
[08:11] <\sh> re
[08:11] <ajmitch> hey \sh
[08:12] <ajmitch> welcome back :)
[10:23] <robitaille> Malone needs so much love...
[10:23] <Burgundavia> Treenaks, does malone spit out to a mailing list?
[10:24] <Treenaks> Burgundavia: no, it sends mail cc: everyone
[10:24] <Burgundavia> ah
[10:24] <Burgundavia> for all the MOTU stuff
[10:25] <robitaille> I have been assigning universe packages to motu...so a lot of cc emails  have been going around.  Sorry about the spam.
[10:25] <Burgundavia> be glad you are not still subscribed to the wiki
[10:25] <Burgundavia> been spamming those people as well
[10:25] <Treenaks> robitaille: no problem... malone needs a special header to filter on thouguh
[10:25] <Treenaks> though
[10:27] <robitaille> Treenaks: the "from" header seems to always come from xxxx@bugs.launchpad.ubuntu.com
[10:27] <Burgundavia> at least it comes from a decent email now
[10:27] <Treenaks> robitaille: yes, but I hate the From: header :)
[10:27] <Burgundavia> before it use to come from no-reply, which made sorting impossible
[10:28] <robitaille> but I'm now going to bed.  So I'm done for the night :)
[10:31] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: only dholbach & I are crazy enough to be subscribed to the whole wiki, right?
[10:31] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, robitaille was
[10:31] <ajmitch> ah
[10:31] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, you are going to get about 300 more emails in the next few days
[10:32] <ajmitch> malone does have the X-Generated-By: Launchpad (canonical.com)
[10:32] <ajmitch> I can handle it :)
[10:32] <Treenaks> ajmitch: yes, but I want malone mail to be different from other launchpad mail :)
[10:32] <Burgundavia> Treenaks, if you don't like their email handling, bitch about it
[10:32] <ajmitch> Treenaks: heh, I don't get any other launchpad mail :)
[10:32] <Treenaks> Burgundavia: what do you think I'm doing? :P
[10:32] <Burgundavia> file a bug in malone about it
[10:32] <ajmitch> Treenaks: what other lp mail do you see?
[10:33] <Treenaks> ajmitch: uh.. not much really :)
[10:33] <Treenaks> ajmitch: not yet anyway...
[11:00] <spafbnerf> HURROAW
[11:00] <spafbnerf> erm.
[11:00] <spafbnerf> i want to package games, for ubuntu... whats the process to get them included in universe? :)
[11:01] <Treenaks> spafbnerf: the preferred way is get them into debian first
[11:01] <Treenaks> but otherwise, read wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[11:13] <ajmitch> new packages get put up for review, we take a look at them when we can
[11:32] <Amaranth> good night all
[11:34] <ajmitch> night Amaranth
[12:04] <spafbnerf> coolio, thx chaps...
[12:05] <spafbnerf> there r sum real nice titles which r missing from the packages ;)
[04:37] <CarlFK> apt-get build-dep transcode && ./configure && make
[04:37] <CarlFK> now what?
[04:39] <CarlFK> there isn't a motu mail list or news group?
[04:39] <tseng> no.
[04:39] <tseng> ubuntu-devel
[04:39] <CarlFK> k
[04:46] <CarlFK> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs/586
[04:47] <CarlFK> how do I add info?
[04:47] <CarlFK> or shoudl I post to -devel and cc bigsmoke
[04:52] <robitaille> CarlFK:  https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/586  then click on "add a comment"
[04:53] <CarlFK> thanks
[04:54] <robitaille> actually it is "New comment on this bug"....
[04:54] <CarlFK> i figured that out ;)
[04:56] <CarlFK> now that I got the transcode souce to compile, how do I make a .deb?
[05:00] <robitaille> CarlFK: if you are going to work on #586, maybe the bug should be assigned to you :)
[05:01] <CarlFK> sure... sign me up
[05:02] <CarlFK> or do I sign me up?
[05:07] <siretart> CarlFK: it would be great if you could attach an .debdiff with the modifications you did to the sourcepackage. at least try to describe what parts you had to change
[05:09] <CarlFK> no changes
[05:09] <robitaille> CarlFK: #586 is now yours :)
[05:09] <CarlFK> oh boy...
[05:10] <CarlFK> so this deb thing... crimson lead me to belive it was "easy" and then left ;)
[05:11] <majic> CarlFK: I'm currently reading over the docs on how to build packages: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ there is alot of information to digest and it doesn't look all that easy from a n00b perspective...
[05:12] <CarlFK> crimsun!!!
[05:12] <bddebian> Howdy
[05:13] <majic> bddebian: hello
[05:13] <bddebian> Hello majic
[05:14] <CarlFK> majic - thanks for the link - reading it now
[05:14] <majic> CarlFK: I got spoiled using Gentoo where there are about a bazillion developers and shit gets fixed before you even realize it was broke...
[05:15] <majic> so as far as building packages I'm a complete n00b
[05:15] <majic> but I want to get into working on stuff for Ubuntu
[05:15] <CarlFK> ditto, ditto
[05:16] <bddebian> Heresy
[05:16] <bddebian> :-)
[05:16] <majic> I'd like to help fix the Ruby package, I got the src and started looking over it but currently don't know where to begin to help out
[05:16] <majic> bug # 12613
[05:17] <majic> the ruby package looks quite complex from my initial observation lots of patches and stuff. Can't figure out why they aren't just using the standard source package for 1.8.2 instead of a beta with a bunch of patches
[05:18] <CarlFK> is there a list of the packages I need to isntall?
[05:18] <bddebian> CarlFK: For what?
[05:18] <CarlFK> without the comments, somehting I can cut/paste after an apt-get command
[05:18] <majic> CarlFK: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources , I'm using pbuilder
[05:26] <bddebian> ogra: Who is responsible for the UniverseUnmetDeps wiki page?
[05:26] <robitaille> note for anyone with admin access to MOTU's launchpad team page (https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/people/motu), there is  a typo in the description on that page ("oneas" instead of "ones")
[05:27] <tseng> bddebian: everyone
[05:27] <bddebian> tseng: What I mean is, who can make sure that the list is updated/correct ?   I.E. who generated the list?
[05:27] <tseng> probably dholbach
[05:27] <bddebian> Ah, OK
[05:27] <tseng>  but you can make sure it is updated and correct
[05:28] <bddebian> tseng: I'm not sure how he generated it, that's part of why I was asking :-)  I wonder if he used "apt-cache unmet" ??
[05:28] <tseng> i gues
[05:28] <tseng> with some awk and stuff
[05:29] <bddebian> Aye.  That's my problem.  My regexp-fu, awk-fu, etc is severely lacking so I'm not sure the best way to rip out the "suggest" broken deps vs. the real broken deps :_)
[05:30] <tseng> apt-cache unmet | grep -v Suggests: | awk {'print $2'}
[05:30] <tseng> you mean this?
[05:31] <tseng> daniel should put the commands he runs at the top of the file
[05:31] <tseng> for consistancy
[05:31] <bddebian> tseng: I hate you :-)
[05:36] <tseng> bddebian: sorry.
[05:37] <tseng> http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/shellsrptg/
[05:37] <tseng> if you have time for a book, this one looks really good
[05:37] <bddebian> tseng: I'm kidding, I appreciate it.  THere is sooo much I need to learn. :'-(
[05:38] <tseng> grep -v = show things that dont match the next arg
[05:38] <tseng> awk is dead easy
[05:38] <tseng> print $2 = print the second column
[05:40] <bddebian> I actually knew the grep -v part but I am totally clueless wrt awk :-)
[05:48] <bddebian> Heya Mez
[05:49] <Mez> hey bddebian
[06:02] <DanielN> hrmpf
[06:02] <DanielN> i couldn't sign on to REVU
[06:02] <siretart> DanielN: did you upload any package? what is your email you used for uploading packages?
[06:03] <DanielN> uploading? i haven't any uploading privileges
[06:03] <DanielN> ah
[06:03] <DanielN> you mean uploading to revu
[06:03] <DanielN> i tried with my wiki account
[06:04] <siretart> DanielN: revu is not connected to the launchpad, I use my own userdatabase ;)
[06:04] <DanielN> ok
[06:05] <DanielN> then i can order an account? :)
[06:05] <bddebian> Which reminds me, I still haven't gotten a confirmation on my signed CoC??
[06:05] <siretart> DanielN: you give me your keyid, I add you to the keyring, you upload a package, bang, you have an account ,)
[06:05] <DanielN> ok just a minute
[06:06] <Mo42> siretart: that reminds me that you wanted to review my gnomeradio package ;)
[06:07] <siretart> Mo42: sorry, not today :(
[06:07] <DanielN> siretart, arghs.. which one is the key-id again?
[06:07] <Mo42> siretart: no problem...
[06:10] <Mo42> btw: is there a way for a non-motu to help with UniverseUnmetDeps?
[06:11] <DanielN> siretart, B8F706B7 could this be possible?
[06:11] <siretart> DanielN: http://pgp.surfnet.nl:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0xB8F706B7
[06:11] <DanielN> ok
[06:12] <siretart> DanielN: done, you may upload now
[06:12] <DanielN> thanks siretart :)
[06:13] <Mez> Mo42, yes, make debdiffs and send them to a MOTU ro review and upload
[06:15] <Mo42> okay, thanks... i will have a look at the list...
[06:17] <Mo42> seems that the list is a bit out of date...
[06:17] <Mo42> kile is on that list but i am using it on breezy/amd64 ;)
[06:19] <Mo42> same with gxine...
[06:19] <bddebian> Mo42: It is out of date.  Use: "apt-cache unmet | grep -v Suggests: | awk {'print $2'}" (with thanks to tseng :-) )
[06:21] <Mo42> okay, thanks
[06:25] <ogra> bddebian, we just phoned.. i think he'll show up today :)
[06:27] <dholbach> hellas
[06:27] <DanielN> revu is stucking :/
[06:27] <dholbach> oh it's still REVIEW DAY!
[06:27] <dholbach> SUPERB!
[06:27] <bddebian> ogra: OK :-)
[06:27] <bddebian> Hey, speak of the devil :-)
[06:27] <bddebian> Hi dholbach
[06:27] <dholbach> hey bddebian, how's it going?
[06:27] <siretart> DanielN: why?
[06:27] <siretart> huhu dholbach
[06:28] <dholbach> hi siretart
[06:28] <ogra> dholbach, nope its transition, fix unmet deps, day... :)
[06:28] <dholbach> that's everyday :)
[06:28] <dholbach> oh, it's motu report day
[06:28] <siretart> DanielN: you just uploaded http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=288, did you?
[06:28] <bddebian> dholbach: Fine thanks.  You?
[06:28] <DanielN> siretart, i don't come on REVU.. it's stucking
[06:29] <bddebian> dholbach: How did you generate the UniverseUnmetDeps list?  DId you use apt-cache unmet?
[06:29] <dholbach> let's gather some comments for the MOTU report! how is life? being in motu land? these days? :)
[06:29] <dholbach> bddebian: yes
[06:29] <bddebian> dholbach: Can we (you?) update the list?  I think it's stale :)
[06:29] <bddebian> Or I can do it if you like
[06:29] <dholbach> bddebian: and just listed the source packages
[06:29] <dholbach> bddebian: i can do that, no problem
[06:30] <bddebian> dholbach: Thank you
[06:30] <dholbach> just gather some comments on MOTU to do some serious recruiting :-p
[06:30] <bddebian> ??
[06:30] <dholbach> where's the motu marketing department? :)
[06:30] <dholbach> bddebian: i'm writing the motu report every month to show how   C O O L   it is to be part of the story
[06:31] <dholbach> :)
[06:31] <bddebian> Heh
[06:31] <dholbach> (ok and to report... actually)
[06:31] <bddebian> You don't want my opinion then :-)
[06:31] <dholbach> of course
[06:31] <dholbach> you're part of MOTU land
[06:31] <bddebian> Not yet :-)
[06:32] <siretart> bddebian: you are nearly a motu, you do nearly the same stuff as the people how have to upload their work ;)
[06:32] <dholbach> of course - you hang out with us all day and do some serious work - even if your name doesnt show up on breezy-changes - you should chang that
[06:33] <bddebian> Well, my only issue/concern is knowing getting a good idea of what to focus on and cross contaminating work.  For example some packages cross between UnmetDeps and Merge
[06:33] <bddebian> s/knowing//
[06:34] <dholbach> bddebian: you do better work than a bunch of motus who were already approved :)
[06:34] <bddebian> I do? :-)
[06:34] <dholbach> yes
[06:38] <bddebian> dholbach: OK good, thanks.  Now what should I work on? :-)
[06:39] <dholbach> is everything fixed already? :)
[06:41] <bddebian> I'm stuck on MOTUToMerge for now.  I was thinking about going back to UniverseUnmetDeps?
[06:42] <Mo42> i have a package with unmet dependencies that just need to be rebuild. what should i do now?
[06:43] <dholbach> Mo42: make sure it really builds and works you want it to, add a debian/changelog entry, do a debdiff, upload it to somewhere, tell elmo/infinity to add your name to the whitelist, let somebody upload the package with applied debdiff
[06:43] <bddebian> Mo42: My understanding is post your stuff (including debdiff) somewhere and put it on the UniverseUnmetDeps wiki page for an MOTU to review
[06:44] <dholbach> REVU is fine too, ticking it off on the list (universeunmetdeps) is cool too
[06:44] <siretart> dholbach: for such small debdiff, I don't think that revu is that well suited
[06:45] <dholbach> ok
[06:45] <bddebian> Gah, I was told not to put it on REVU.. This is what I'm talking about dholbach.  There isn't much "consistency" on HOW things should be done :_)
[06:45] <siretart> in the current for, I try to improve that with revu2
[06:45] <bddebian> Just "constructive criticism" btw :)
[06:45] <siretart> current form
[06:45] <dholbach> bddebian: you can always do it in a million different ways :)
[06:45] <dholbach> bddebian: i just realized that i have too many locally installed packages, which make the output for universeunmetdeps a bit unsuitable :/
[06:46] <Mo42> is it save to edit the wikipage now? or are you updating it atm?
[06:46] <bddebian> dholbach: Well I mean as far as putting it in front of an MOTU. :-)
[06:46] <siretart> bddebian: you could try creating or improving a wiki page describing HOW things should be done, so if anyone tells you otherwise, point him to that page .)
[06:46] <dholbach> Mo42: go ahead
[06:46] <bddebian> siretart: I don't feel comfortable since I am not an MOTU yet.  I certainly don't want to try to drive policy.
[06:47] <Mo42> oh well, just forgot that i have to do a changelog-entry first...
[06:47] <dholbach> bddebian: somebody will correct you and there's always #ubuntu-devel and ubuntu-devel@ or the motu-meeting
[06:47] <siretart> bddebian: just go ahead and poke someone about that. It's ok..
[06:47] <dholbach> bddebian: and in a lot of spaces there is a lot of policy to be still done :)
[06:47] <bddebian> OK
[06:47] <bddebian> bbiam
[06:49] <dholbach> ok... what happened in the last month in motu land? :)
[06:50] <Treenaks> dholbach: Well, we decided we weren't necessary anymore, and disbanded.
[06:50] <Treenaks> :P
[06:50] <Treenaks> dholbach: how's your uni stuff going?
[06:51] <dholbach> Treenaks: i see - i'm going to report that :)
[06:51] <dholbach> Treenaks: fine, still a lot to do, but i'm doing progress thanks - how are you?
[06:51] <Treenaks> dholbach: I'm fine.. really waiting for vacation now :)
[06:52] <dholbach> cool :)
[06:52] <dholbach> when will it be?
[06:53] <Treenaks> dholbach: sept 03 - 16 (of which 3 - 5 I'll be in Berlin)
[06:54] <dholbach> cool
[07:03] <bddebian> Treenaks: lol
[07:03] <Mo42> okay, added debdiff for gltron to unmetdeps wiki page
[07:04] <bddebian> Mo42: Did you actually use debdiff to generate the debdiff?
[07:04] <Mo42> yes
[07:04] <Mo42> why do you ask?
[07:05] <bddebian> Hmm, debdiff has been b0rked for me, I'll have to try it again
[07:05] <bddebian> Heya jbailey :-)
[07:06] <jbailey> Heya Barry
[07:07] <siretart> do you know what makes me sad: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-german/2005/08/msg00100.html (sorry, german)
[07:09] <Mez> german makes you sad/
[07:09] <Mez> ?
[07:10] <siretart> german m*r*ns like the one who posted that..
[07:10] <ogra> bddebian, s/chopped/funnyfied
[07:10] <ogra> :)
[07:10] <bddebian> :-)
[07:11] <dholbach> siretart: forget about trolls
[07:11] <siretart> sorry for violating the coc. I shouldn't have said that..
[07:11] <dholbach> siretart: forget it :)
[07:11] <siretart> dholbach: you are right. but I find that very offending :(
[07:11] <bddebian> Hmm, I haven't gotten acknowledgement of my signed CoC yet, does that mean I can lambast everyone?? :-)
[07:12] <dholbach> siretart: it is, but it just drains energy
[07:12] <jbailey> ogra: I have this problem that in Spanish when I say "No habla Espanol" my accent is good enough that they don't beleive me.
[07:12] <Mez> > > hello Ludwig, > > > > is Debian. here > > hello Felix - and here are tolerant humans.  Thus I am rather intolerant in the reference to the Judas Linux.  -- MfG etc..  Werner Mahr registered Linuxuser:  295882
[07:12] <bddebian> jbailey: :-)
[07:12] <Mez> is what I cna understand of it
[07:12] <jbailey> ogra: For some reason in Germany when I said "Ein Nein Schprech Deutsche", I didn't have the same trouble...
[07:12] <ogra> jbailey, hehe
[07:12] <Mez> siretart, what are they basically saying?
[07:12] <ogra> jbailey, but it brings acrross what you mean *g*
[07:13] <Amaranth> yay, wxwidgets2.6
[07:13] <jbailey> ogra: Totally.  =)
[07:13] <ogra> Amaranth, now fix the apps :)
[07:13] <bddebian> heh
[07:13] <Amaranth> ogra: haha
[07:14] <Amaranth> ogra: if someone still hasn't fixed vlc by the time i've got smeg 0.8 finished consider it done
[07:14] <ogra> heh...
[07:14] <bddebian> Amaranth: I think doko grabbed vlc from bugzilla from me
[07:14] <ogra> Amaranth, how's your OS situation ? do you have a running ubuntu now ?
[07:14] <Amaranth> yeah, i'm back to normal
[07:15] <Amaranth> fully upgraded breezy, minus 40GB of stuff
[07:15] <ogra> bddebian, yes, doko has a lot of sparetime to fill since he assigned me gcompris
[07:15] <bddebian> heh
[07:16] <Amaranth> http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg-devel/loading_everything.png <--shouldn't take too long
[07:16] <Amaranth> i redid in one day what took me a month to do last time
[07:16] <doko> ogra: Je n'ais pas compris  ;-P
[07:17] <ogra> :-p
[07:17] <highvoltage> HELLO. I can't create a debian package to save my life. I've decided to change that, and that's why I'm here.
[07:17] <bddebian> highvoltage: Welcome then :-)
[07:18] <highvoltage> bddebian: thanks!
[07:18] <ogra> highvoltage, so it looks like you found the right place then ;)
[07:19] <bddebian> I am going to update the UniverseUnmetDeps list with dholbach 's script if that is OK with everyone?
[07:19] <ogra> bddebian, sure, go ahead
[07:19] <dholbach> bddebian: what do you do about the old entries?
[07:19] <bddebian> dholbach: The old entries?
[07:20] <dholbach> the old page, the packages the people said they were working on? :()
[07:20] <dholbach> :)
[07:20] <bddebian> I will update manually :-)
[07:20] <dholbach> ok, let's go :)
[07:22] <Nikopol> highvoltage: I'd start here if I were you: http://old.gpul.org/colaboraciones/dnmg/
[07:22] <dholbach> Nikopol: could you link that on  PackagingTips ?
[07:22] <Nikopol> sure
[07:23] <dholbach> super
[07:23] <sivang> hey dholbach
[07:23] <dholbach> ok, stick your hand up, who will be in one of the next TB meetings to go for MOTU? who belongs to the motu hopefuls?
[07:23] <sivang> dholbach: I heared that some work was done to have an ubuntu specific packaging guide, right?
[07:24] <dholbach> hey sivang
[07:24] <dholbach> sivang: tseng and ajmitch were working on it AFAIK
[07:24] <Nikopol> dholbach: Actually it's an older version of the dnmg from the one already there.
[07:24] <Nikopol> but I found it simpler ;)
[07:24] <dholbach> :)
[07:24] <sivang> dholbach: ah cool, becasue the new maintainer guide is not something to learn too much from , a mere intro nothing more
[07:24] <bddebian> dholbach: Maybe me
[07:25] <sivang> dholbach: how many packages do you need to have uploaded before you can be at the TB meeting ?
[07:26] <dholbach> sivang: we don't have a package number - it's more how comfortable the team in general feels with that person
[07:26] <bddebian> We are using the Dungeon Masters Guide for packaging?? ;-P
[07:26] <dholbach> hahaha
[07:26] <Treenaks> bddebian: roll a d20
[07:26] <bddebian> Treenaks: rofl
[07:26] <dholbach> bddebian: ok... that's one motu hopeful, who else?
[07:26] <Treenaks> You successfully package the software!
[07:26] <bddebian> hahaha
[07:27] <majic> Nikopol: that link isn't working for me
[07:28] <highvoltage> Nikopol: thanks
[07:28] <Nikopol> mmm - working fine here....
[07:28] <Nikopol> highvoltage: it is an old version of that but it's less full of extra information than the newer one
[07:28] <majic> weird, it's working now.
[07:28] <Nikopol> and hence easier to follow for the first packaging experience
[07:29] <Nikopol> majic: :) - ah well
[07:29] <dholbach> highvoltage: PackagingTips on the wiki is good too
[07:29] <majic> there is an updated version of this that I was reading this morning on the debian website
[07:29] <highvoltage> dholbach: ok. i'll bookmark all these pages, looks like a lot of reading.
[07:30] <dholbach> highvoltage: you'll be fine, apt-get source some other packages, use dh_make and set up a pbuilder :)
[07:30] <Nikopol> majic: yeah - it's an old version but it's missing all the replete little details a complete beginner doesn't really need to blow his head with
[07:31] <Nikopol> dholbach: what files is it you actually need to upload?
[07:31] <dholbach> Nikopol: .orig.tar.gz .dsc, .changes and .diff.gz
[07:31] <dholbach> phone.. brb
[07:31] <Nikopol> dholbach: ok - straight into Tomboy :)
[07:31] <CarlFK> what is the difference between building a pacage for ubuntu vs debian?
[07:31] <majic> Nikopol: ah.. that will serve me well then
[07:32] <Nikopol> majic: yeah. It took me ages to sift through the current version - there's too much details, caveats, outlandish outcomes and all that to give you a clear walkthru (IMHO)
[07:34] <majic> I've been spinning wheels for 2 days trying to figure out how to go about fixing a package that is currently broke in my opinion... Lots and lots of mundane details to sort through...
[07:34] <Nikopol> majic: I'm starting with a very simple program to start off with
[07:34] <Nikopol> what are you packaging?
[07:36] <majic> trying to fix the broken Ruby 1.8.2 beta package, trying to update it to 1.8.2 final
[07:36] <Nikopol> majic: wow - that's a lot of work I suspect! Good luck with that...
[07:37] <majic> yeah, which is why I haven't made it very far =)
[07:38] <majic> and the bug report isn't being  updated very much in bugzilla which would lead me to believe that it's not a very important thing to fix at the moment. But it affects Ruby on Rails 0.13.x which is why I want to fix it.
[07:39] <majic> it'd probably be easier to backport the Debian package as they have a working final 1.8.2 version of Ruby. But I don't have the experience yet to do that.
[07:45] <Mo42> i have a package (tagtool) with unmet dependencies, and a simple rebuild fixes that. should the next version be ...-1ubuntu2build1 oder -1ubuntu3?
[07:46] <Mo42> sorry, forget that ;)
[07:46] <Mo42> there is already a debdiff on the wikipage for that ;)
[07:54] <bddebian> OK, what's the quickest way to replace <cr/lf> with ", " in a file? :-)
[07:56] <Amaranth> some nasty perl?
[07:57] <bddebian> Bah, all I need to do is read each line and dump it out to line1, line2, line3.  I should be able to shell script that shouldn't I?
[07:58] <Amaranth> perl -i.bak -ple 's/\r\n|\n\r/, /g' file
[08:03] <bddebian> Nope
[08:03] <bddebian> :-(
[08:05] <ogra> Amaranth !!
[08:06] <ogra> bddebian, awk ?
[08:06] <Amaranth> ogra: I asked a perl freak for it, I dunno how it even works. :)
[08:07] <bddebian> ogra: I'm read awk man page right now :-)
[08:07] <ogra> Amaranth, yes, thats a feature of this language ;)
[08:07] <ogra> Amaranth, typically the guy who gave it to you doesnt know it either ;)
[08:15] <Mo42> bddebian: still trying to find a solution? or did Amaranth's perl-fu work?
[08:15] <bddebian> Mo42: No the perl stuff didn't work, trying to use awk :-)
[08:16] <Mo42> i have also tried it with perl... and finally have a working solution
[08:16] <Mo42> perl -e'while (<>) { chomp; print ($_ . ","); }'
[08:16] <Mo42> (and the best thing: i even understand that *g*)
[08:18] <CarlFK> I don't think awk is going to do it.  - it works with one line at a time, not the whole blob of text (i think)
[08:18] <majic> Mo42: we all know perl coders don't write code that can be understood =)
[08:19] <Mo42> majic: i do not expect someone else to understand that ;) and i am NOT a perl coder ;)
[08:23] <CarlFK> bddebian - tr "\n" ,
[08:23] <CarlFK> pipe your file throught that
[08:24] <CarlFK> hmm, I am assuming your cr/lf turns into newlines
[08:26] <CarlFK> what is cr and lf in octal?
[08:26] <CarlFK> 15 and 13?
[08:28] <bddebian> Mo42: That worked perfectly, you DA MAN
[08:28] <bddebian>  :-)
[08:29] <Mo42> nice ;)
[08:29] <jamessan|work> CarlFK: 12 and 15 in octal.
[08:30] <CarlFK> thamks
[08:30] <CarlFK> tr "\012\015" ,
[08:30] <CarlFK> i think - I don't have a crlf file to test on
[08:31] <CarlFK> nope - that replaces the cr/lf with ,,
[08:32] <bddebian> OK, UniverseUnmetDeps is updated, though I need to double check the list.. :)
[08:32] <CarlFK> tr -d "015" |tr "\012" ,
[08:32] <CarlFK> there
[08:33] <CarlFK> few days late, but there.
[08:34] <jamessan|work> what if you're working on a mac file?
[08:39] <bddebian> CarlFK: Good job :-)
[08:40] <tseng> dholbach: Unfrgiven is working on it
[08:41] <CarlFK> bddebian - did you try it?
[08:43] <slomo> hi all :)
[08:44] <zAo^> lo slomo
[08:45] <tseng> huh
[08:45] <tseng> zao is like my favorite band ever
[08:46] <zAo^> tseng, :-)
[08:46] <slomo> yeah zao is fine :)
[08:46] <highvoltage> never heard of them
[08:46] <zAo^> hehe
[08:46] <crimsun> CarlFK: pong?
[08:46] <zAo^> good to hear so :)
[08:49] <highvoltage> Hi Riddell
[08:49] <bddebian> CarlFK: No, I used Mo42's perl :-)  Sorry
[08:49] <bddebian> Slomo!!!
[08:50] <slomo> bddebian! *hug* :)
[08:50] <slomo> dholbach: did you get my mail?
[08:52] <dholbach> tseng: ok
[08:52] <dholbach> slomo: yes
[08:52] <bddebian> Wow, I get a hug? :-)
[08:52] <dholbach> but i'm still on the phone
[08:52] <slomo> dholbach: ah ok, sorry
[08:52] <slomo> bddebian: sure ;)
[08:52] <dholbach> dont worry
[08:54] <bddebian> slomo: Thanks, I didn't think anyone here loved me.. ;-)
[08:54] <Amaranth> *hug*
[08:54] <Amaranth> :P
[08:55] <highvoltage> bddebian: i think you're okay.
[08:58] <bddebian> Aww,thanks guys :-)
[09:02] <bddebian> What is External supposed to mean on UniverseUnmetDeps??
[09:04] <chillywilly> barry you are teh sux
[09:04] <chillywilly> I mean...hi
[09:04] <chillywilly> :)
[09:11] <bddebian> WTF is up with my wiki-links??  I just edited UniverseUnmetDeps and both my MOTUToMerge and PBuilderHowTo links are jacked.. :-(
[09:14] <CarlFK> crimsun ping
[09:15] <doko> ogra, and anybody, who works with wxwindows2.4 and wxwidgets2.6: read the changelog, use wxversion, if you want to use a specifc wx version.
[09:20] <CarlFK> crimsun - I am off to the store for an hour or so.
[09:27] <bddebian> Can someone please look at: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUMergeTips if they get a second.  It's very minimal but I need to know if I have anything REALLY wrong :-)
[09:36] <bddebian> Where'd everybody go? :-)
[09:36] <slomo> bddebian: here :) i'll have a look at it right now
[09:39] <highvoltage> i'm stil here. almost bed time though.
[09:40] <dholbach> so what did i forget: http://ubuntu.gplan.info/motu-report.html
[09:41] <dholbach> your last chance to add a comment, a section or yourself to it - i surely forgot one or the other thing
[09:41] <dholbach> ( because i wasnt here so much :-( )
[09:41] <\sh> evening
[09:41] <\sh> *yawn*
[09:42] <bddebian> Heya \sh
[09:42] <bddebian> dholbach: Looks good
[09:43] <bddebian> \sh: Check out MOTUMergeTips if you get a sec and tell me how far off I am :-)
[09:43] <dholbach> ah... forgot categoryMotu
[09:43] <\sh> dholbach: when we have the virtserver for revu we can get rid of the wiki pages ,-)
[09:44] <slomo> hi \sh :)
[09:44] <\sh> bddebian: wow good work dude :)
[09:44] <\sh> hey slomo :)
[09:45] <siretart> dholbach: report looking great!
[09:45] <slomo> dholbach: imho the report is complete and correct :)
[09:45] <dholbach> thanks a lot, siretart, bddebian - any additions?
[09:46] <dholbach> honestly who in this room isnt mentioned on it?
[09:46] <\sh> what report?
[09:46] <dholbach> http://ubuntu.gplan.info/motu-report.html
[09:46] <bddebian> dholbach: You forgot that \sh is MOTUMerge hero.. ;-)
[09:47] <dholbach> highvoltage: yeah... i saw you here for the first time, which means, i'm not here often enough - we haven't been introduced. who would be so kind? :)
[09:47] <\sh> dholbach: good one :)
[09:47] <ogra> dholbach, yes, you shopuld demote 2/3 of this report to praise \sh and the merge
[09:47] <highvoltage> dholbach: i'm new, so it's okay :)
[09:47] <slomo> bddebian: change dpkg-buildpackage / debuild to pbuilder in your wikipage :)
[09:47] <dholbach> highvoltage: how and when did you get here? - nice to meet you
[09:47] <highvoltage> dholbach: allow me to introduce myself.
[09:47] <slomo> bddebian: and the build-dep stuff can be removed
[09:47] <highvoltage> My name is Jonathan Carter.
[09:47] <\sh> ogra: shut the fck up...I'm really glad not to be named ;)
[09:48] <ogra> dholbach, highvoltage is my right hand for edubuntu ;) and the community master there
[09:48] <dholbach> oh COOL!
[09:48] <highvoltage> I learned to read by typing up little basic programs on my zx-spectrum when I was 6.
[09:48] <\sh> ogra: btw..g'evening :)
[09:48] <slomo> bddebian: other than that it's fine
[09:48] <ogra> \sh, hey
[09:48] <\sh> I have a brain crisis
[09:48] <highvoltage> i god my first "big" computer when I was 10, and started using Windwos 3.1 and MS-DOS.
[09:48] <bddebian> slomo: It's a wiki, fix it :-)
[09:48] <dholbach> highvoltage: where do you live?
[09:49] <highvoltage> i got offended by windows and microsoft, and I'm on a personal war to destroy them by the time i'm 30.
[09:49] <slomo> bddebian: please fix it yourself ;) i'm currently too busy :(
[09:49] <highvoltage> i'm in South Africa.
[09:49] <\sh> dholbach: another idea would be to have something like the Gentoo Weekly Newsletter ...on the wiki ,-)
[09:49] <\sh> highvoltage: where there?
[09:49] <dholbach> highvoltage: cool - and you're cracking on edubuntu?
[09:50] <highvoltage> in Cape Town, durbanville to be exact. a few streets away from sabdfl's mother.
[09:50] <dholbach> \sh: MOTUReportDraft on the wiki would be cool - everybody could just toss something there, something (s)he most cared about
[09:50] <bddebian> slomo: But I don't use pbuilder :-)
[09:50] <\sh> ogra: u didn't tell that highvoltage is another reliable source of biltong ,-)
[09:50] <bddebian> slomo: Well I use pbuilder login :)
[09:50] <ogra> \sh, aww, i forgot... so sorry....
[09:50] <highvoltage> hehe
[09:50] <\sh> highvoltage: I think I drove through this area...I'm not sure
[09:51] <slomo> bddebian: you should use pbuilder every time you fix a package ;) otherwise it's not garanteed that the build-depends are ok
[09:51] <highvoltage> yes, I will be hacking at edubuntu soon. ogra is a good mentor.
[09:51] <highvoltage> \sh: did I see you at the TSF offices last year?
[09:51] <dholbach> highvoltage: he and mvo pushed me in here as well :)
[09:51] <highvoltage> ogra++
[09:51] <\sh> highvoltage: no...i visited ZA in 2003
[09:51] <ogra> :=
[09:51] <ogra> :)
[09:52] <\sh> highvoltage: but 5 weeks is not enough
[09:52] <dholbach> highvoltage: nice to have you here - i added you to report as well :)
[09:52] <highvoltage> \sh: where are you located?
[09:52] <highvoltage> kewl :)
[09:52] <\sh> highvoltage: germany :) couple of KM next from ogra or dholbach ;-)
[09:52] <\sh> i mean a couple depends now..100 km is nothing for ZA rules
[09:53] <highvoltage> hehe
[09:53] <ogra> highvoltage, he sits between dholbach and me ... we can poke him from two sides ;)
[09:53] <\sh> highvoltage: now many km was it from durban to joburg? 600? 800?
[09:53] <highvoltage> hehe
[09:54] <highvoltage> i think durban to jo'burg is about 800.
[09:54] <\sh> ogra: yes :) do it :) do it :)
[09:54] <bddebian> dholbach: What is External supposed to mean on UniverseUnmetDeps?
[09:54] <highvoltage> jo'burg is about 1150km from me.
[09:54] <dholbach> bddebian: no idea
[09:54] <\sh> highvoltage: yeah...sitting in a mercedes with 5 ppl and travelling 800 km is quite enjoying ,-)
[09:54] <bddebian> Ohh, who wrote that page? :-)
[09:54] <highvoltage> geez
[09:54] <dholbach> bddebian: the wiki :)
[09:55] <\sh> highvoltage: we drove the garden route from port elizabeth to cape town...with a stop in hermanus
[09:55] <highvoltage> ok. i really need some sleep. thanks to all for the warm welcome. i have a real good feeling about this.
[09:55] <bddebian> Gnight highvoltage
[09:55] <highvoltage> \sh: wow, that sounds like punishment
[09:55] <\sh> highvoltage: good to have u with us
[09:55] <dholbach> highvoltage: that's nice to hear - sleep tight :)
[09:55] <highvoltage> goodnight!
[09:55] <\sh> highvoltage: well...I saw the wales ;-)
[09:55] <dholbach> ok, last call http://ubuntu.gplan.info/motu-report.html - anything else? :)
[09:55] <slomo> gn8 highvoltage
[09:56] <highvoltage> \sh: i saw one falling from the sky, with a pot of petunias
[09:56] <\sh> highvoltage: 42 ,-)
[09:56] <dholbach> :)
[09:56] <\sh> rotfl
[09:56] <slomo> lol
[09:57] <bddebian> Does anyone know what External is supposed to mean on the UniverseUnmetDeps page??
[09:57] <\sh> dholbach: please mention doko as the worst breezy-changes spammer ever,-)
[09:57] <slomo> bddebian: nope... i had the same question ;)
[09:57] <bddebian> hehe
[09:57] <dholbach> \sh: noooo, he wouldn't like that :)
[09:57] <\sh> yes
[09:57] <bddebian> Where is doko?
[09:58] <\sh> dholbach: I named him a maniac in between the cxx transition
[09:58] <\sh> so it's ok ,-)
[09:58] <dholbach> \sh: and if i live close to him, i shouldn't spoil the .. erm ... neighbourship :)
[09:58] <\sh> doko is external
[09:58] <\sh> doko: ping
[09:58] <bddebian> WTF does that mean??
[09:58] <\sh> doko: what do u mean with external
[09:58] <\sh> doko: and excuse the maniac ,-)
[09:58] <\sh> and spammer
[09:59] <bddebian> moi?
[09:59] <dholbach> sent off
[09:59] <\sh> bddebian: no
[10:00] <\sh> lets have a look
[10:01] <\sh> hmmm
[10:01] <\sh> serious problem now.
[10:01] <\sh> something is wrong with one of kopetes plugins...and xmms
[10:01] <doko> ?
[10:01] <\sh> doko: on UniverseUnmetDeps you are named under "External". That means?
[10:03] <\sh> bddebian: yes to openswan and gcc-3.4
[10:03] <bddebian> Uhh?  Oh, the wiki :-)
[10:03] <\sh> bddebian: and yehia i have my fingers in this crappy piece of software
[10:04] <bddebian> Bah, why do I even try.. :-)
[10:04] <ogra> StephanHermann is replaced by gnuradio-core ??
[10:04] <\sh> eek
[10:04] <\sh> ogra: please ,-)
[10:04] <ogra> i didnt know there was so much AI in gnuradio-core that it chould replace \sh
[10:04] <\sh> hihi
[10:05] <\sh> ogra: believe me son...gnuradio-core will replace us all...
[10:05] <ogra> lol
[10:05] <\sh> such a crappy code again
[10:05] <bddebian> \sh: So should I just sit idly by and watch you fix them all? :-)
[10:05] <\sh> bddebian: NO!
[10:06] <\sh> bddebian: take my packages :)
[10:06] <\sh> bddebian: i didn't touch them at all until now
[10:07] <\sh> ogra: oh...did I say I signed a new private mobile contract?
[10:07] <bddebian> \sh: Bah, I can't actually FIX anything, I just generate a lot of text ;-)
[10:08] <\sh> bddebian: wow..you should start a weblog and write funny stories ;)
[10:08] <slomo> bddebian: at least it's text which can fix the stuff later ;)
[10:08] <bddebian> heh
[10:08] <Mo42> oh? i just looked at the UniverseUnmetDebs wiki page history... the "External" table has been added by StephanHermann in revision 25 ;)
[10:08] <\sh> Mo42: that is not true
[10:09] <\sh> I never add an "External" to something
[10:09] <Mo42> well, that's what the wiki says... or i am stupid ;)
[10:09] <bddebian> Mo42: He was drunk at the time.. ;-P
[10:09] <Mo42> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseUnmetDeps?action=diff&rev1=25&rev2=24
[10:10] <Mo42> and rev 25 was done by "StephanHermann"...
[10:10] <\sh> argl
[10:10] <\sh> yes
[10:10] <\sh> *headbang*
[10:11] <\sh> cause doko rebuild a lot
[10:11] <\sh> damn
[10:11] <Mo42> cool... seems that i am not stupid (just started to beleave that *g*)
[10:11] <\sh> how can I forget
[10:11] <\sh> everything has a reason...even my mental illness
[10:11] <\sh> *shakinghead*
[10:11] <\sh> ogra: I need holiday
[10:11] <\sh> s
[10:12] <ogra> \sh, first enhance gnuradio-core, i doubt it can replace you already ;)
[10:12] <\sh> ogra: tell me something about ooc2
[10:12] <\sh> oo2c ?
[10:13] <\sh> so about the oberon2 to C compiler
[10:13] <ogra> heh, never heard about it
[10:13] <\sh> ogra: NaN is not defined is the error on ppc
[10:13] <slomo> \sh: just take some holidays or at least this weekend :) you've done sooo much good stuff in the last days...
[10:13] <\sh> but NaN is defined on all other archs
[10:14] <\sh> slomo: I have a juniper training (last week of this month...so I'm not here) and directly after this training I'm 2 weeks off
[10:14] <\sh> dholbach: btw..treenaks comes to berlin as well.
[10:14] <dholbach> \sh: yeah
[10:15] <\sh> dholbach: so I will come to berlin :)
[10:16] <Mo42> i think it's time to go to bed now... writing an exam for university tomorrow...
[10:16] <sistpoty> hi folks
[10:16] <Mo42> so good night everybody....
[10:16] <slomo> gn8 Mo42... see you tomorrow :)
[10:16] <sistpoty> gn8 Mo42
[10:17] <Mo42> ah, btw: hi sistpoty ;)
[10:17] <bddebian> Later mo42.. Bah
[10:17] <slomo> bddebian: haha... you were to slow ;)
[10:17] <\sh> grmpf
[10:17] <bddebian> I'm ALWAYS too slow :-)
[10:18] <\sh> bddebian: that said my ex-wife to me too
[10:18] <bddebian> Oh, that's usually the opposite problem with women. ;-)
[10:19] <bddebian> And on that note, I should probably go home..  Talk to you later folks..
[10:19] <\sh> http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/69-Plaxo,-free-to-use-online-address-book.html
[10:19] <\sh> I think I kicked someones feet
[10:20] <\sh> stacy martin -> plaxo privacy officer commented on my blog entry
[10:20] <whiprush> heh
[10:20] <\sh> whiprush: u read it?
[10:20] <whiprush> yeah
[10:21] <dholbach> did anybody already see redhats impressions of the world as it exists today: http://www.redhat.com/g/promos/second_intelvid_050726.png ?
[10:21] <\sh> lol
[10:21] <\sh> this is understatement
[10:22] <\sh> dholbach: please blog ,-)
[10:22] <slomo> dholbach: lol... what a big world we have ;)
[10:22] <dholbach> i was aiming on the east-west-germany part? who of you spotted that as well? :-p
[10:23] <\sh> dholbach: is it not ip dependend?
[10:23] <whiprush> I don't know, you find who painted all of europe blue and you've got your man.
[10:24] <slomo> dholbach: hmm, i haven't noticed that... but thats freaky ;) where have they found this map? =)
[10:24] <\sh> whiprush: hmmm...it shows europe...so fiona phelps has something to say ,-)
[10:24] <dholbach> slomo: it's 15-16 years old :)
[10:25] <\sh> european marketing department of redhat ,-) surrey, uk
[10:25] <\sh> I worked for this department :(
[10:28] <dholbach> \sh: you should blog about it, i'm too tired to blog :)
[10:29] <\sh> dholbach: tomorrow morning ,)
[10:29] <\sh> in the mornings I have my best jokes at start
[10:29] <dholbach> excellent :)
[10:29] <\sh> actually we have too much stress right now at ISH...
[10:29] <dholbach> me motu reports, you marketing jokes :)
[10:29] <slomo> hm i would do too when i had more time ;)
[10:29] <\sh> looks like everything is breaking
[10:33] <whiprush> dholbach: you should blog your motu reports also!
[10:33] <dholbach> whiprush: you think so?
[10:34] <whiprush> yep
[10:34] <whiprush> tons of people read planet
[10:34] <\sh> yep
[10:34] <whiprush> good way to generate buzz.
[10:34] <\sh> whiprush is right
[10:34] <dholbach> you're the expert
[10:34] <whiprush> i get tons of comments since I got on planet ubuntu.
[10:34] <dholbach> i should think about it - but it's always a bit much, isnt it?
[10:34] <whiprush> nah
[10:34] <dholbach> hmmhmmhmhmhmhm
[10:35] <\sh> dholbach: u r not paying for traffic ,-)
[10:35] <dholbach> people reading planet shouldnt be worried about traffic :)
[10:35] <whiprush> plus normal users get to find out more about what motus do an stuff.
[10:35] <\sh> http://stats.blogweb.de/linux/
[10:36] <\sh> dholbach: serving the blog is a hard job...check july ,-)
[10:36] <\sh> Jul 2005  12354  10987  656  287  8690861  383003  340621  20345  8901  269416690
[10:36] <\sh> the last data is KB
[10:36] <Amaranth> 269MB in a month?
[10:36] <\sh> 5  1308  2,11  253,44 Gb  /uploads/02-Ubuntu_Talk-Mark_Shuttlewort...
[10:37] <\sh> Amaranth: GB :)
[10:37] <Amaranth> ah
[10:37] <Amaranth> whoops
[10:37] <slomo> \sh: you're famous :) i just had 31033 kb this month
[10:37] <\sh> 1308 hits on this special url
[10:37] <Amaranth> damn no one goes to my blog anymore
[10:37] <\sh> slomo: my feed brings 83,77MB in july, the frontpage only 49MB
[10:37] <Amaranth> my all time high was a week of 1000 people a day
[10:38] <Amaranth> on saturday i only had 21 people
[10:39] <\sh> 1  11039  9545  826  389  8271391
[10:39] <\sh> daily usage :) so today ,-)
[10:39] <\sh> last entry is KB
[10:39] <\sh> 389 visits
[10:39] <\sh> and only today: 10  42  1,60  7,78 Gb  /uploads/02-Ubuntu_Talk-Mark_Shuttlewort...
[10:39] <\sh> only the video
[10:39] <\sh> hard stuff
[10:40] <dholbach> ok, i'm off again
[10:40] <\sh> I think I made last month 3/4 of the 2TB freetraffic
[10:40] <dholbach> see you soon guys
[10:40] <\sh> dholbach: tell us when u r finished with your thesis
[10:41] <slomo> bye dholbach :)
[10:41] <dholbach> 18.8. i will hand it in, ~ 2.9. will be presentation
[10:41] <\sh> dholbach: 2.9 starts my holiday ,-)
[10:41] <dholbach> and inbetween i will move and get back to trier to help my dad with another project :/
[10:41] <\sh> it's a good sign
[10:41] <dholbach> i'll be busy :)
[10:42] <slomo> i'll leave now too... see you all next sunday :)
[10:42] <sistpoty> cya slomo
[10:42] <dholbach> good luck slomo - when is the exam?
[10:42] <dholbach> hey sistpoty :)
[10:42] <sistpoty> hi dholbach
[10:43] <slomo> dholbach: it's tomorrow 9:00-12:00... and after that i directly drive in holidays :)
[10:43] <dholbach> slomo: i'll keep my fingers crossed :)
[10:43] <sistpoty> good luck and good holiday ;)
[10:43] <slomo> thanks all :)
[10:43] <\sh> slomo: good luck :)
[10:44] <slomo> when there's something importing... i'll read my mails the last time tomorrow afternoon ;)
[10:44] <slomo> important even
[10:46] <ajmitch> morning all
[10:47] <ogra> evening ajmitch
[10:47] <majic> hello ajmitch
[10:47] <sistpoty> hi ajmitch
[10:48] <dholbach> hey andrew
[10:48] <\sh> hey ajmitch
[10:49] <ajmitch> so what's up?
[10:50] <\sh> I will go to bed..now
[10:50] <\sh> terrible days of office work will come..*grrr*
[10:50] <ajmitch> ah, evil
[10:50] <sistpoty> gn8 \sh
[10:50] <\sh> g'night guys...tomorrow more
[10:50] <ajmitch> night \sh
[10:54] <ajmitch> hmm, you didn't mention \sh nearly enough
[10:55] <dholbach> this was a bit recruiting-centric, ok :)
[10:55] <dholbach> \sh knows we all love him :)
[10:57] <ajmitch> haha
[10:58] <ajmitch> what about sending to the sounder list as well? :)
[10:59] <dholbach> i sent it to -news as well
[10:59] <dholbach> now to my blog and sounder as well?
[10:59] <dholbach> people will flame me
[10:59] <ajmitch> ok, just to the blog
[10:59] <dholbach> that's like bradb leaving his business cards everywhere :)
[10:59] <ogra> with wrong phone numbers on them :)
[11:02] <dholbach> ajmitch: bradb will surely give you some of his :)
[11:02] <CarlFK> ajmitch http://www.vistaprint.com - I have a box - very handy for dropping in fishbowls
[11:06] <ajmitch> nah, I want some of those special ubuntu business cards
[11:20] <whiprush> ajmitch: me too
[11:21] <whiprush> I believe members can get a set.
[11:21] <ajmitch> that's what we heard at UDU
[11:22] <whiprush> We bought a domain for our loco so we have cool emails now.
[11:22] <whiprush> http://www.ubuntudetroit.org
[11:22] <whiprush> check it!
[11:23] <CarlFK> neat
[11:24] <dholbach> looks COOL
[11:25] <dholbach> goodnight