[12:00] <GivenWay> how do i install bttv drivers?
[12:00] <flodine> benplaut i want gnome menu
[12:00] <ZibiKebir> can anybody help me set up a wireless mn-510 usb card
[12:00] <benplaut> oh, not openbox within gnome
[12:00] <benplaut> can't help you there
[12:01] <flodine> no i want the debian menu in openbox
[12:02] <flodine> you know likw gnome has a debian menu in it
[12:02] <LasseL> I run openbox, and my gnome menu panels didn't go away
[12:02] <flodine> Lassel you on a laptop
[12:02] <cafuego> LasseL: Did you tell them to go away?
[12:03] <pjw> Hi all, Will in the new Ubuntu be Evince (PDF browser) instead Xpdf, defaultly?
[12:03] <LasseL> nope
[12:03] <cafuego> LasseL: Then why would they?
[12:03] <cafuego> pjw: Evince
[12:03] <LasseL> cafuego, I was responding to flodine, not asking a question
[12:03] <flodine> Lassel how did you get the gnome in the menu
[12:04] <mpmc> Vista is coming! All run and hide!
[12:04] <flodine> mines not there
[12:04] <mpmc> lol
[12:04] <Seveas> someone called?
[12:05] <cafuego> Seveas: Yes. We'd like a cognac please.
[12:05] <LasseL> flodine, I did a openbox --replace and all that changed was the window frames, the gnomepanel is still there. Like I expeced. Isn't that what you want?
[12:05] <pjw> cafuego: without xpdf?
[12:05] <mpmc> installing KDE takes forever!
[12:05] <cafuego> pjw: I'm sure you can install xpdf too.
[12:05] <Vista> mpmc: ever tried to install me? KDE beats that :)
[12:05] <ZibiKebir> the problem with my adapter is that it is recognized when i do a lsusb command, meanign its found in the bios but its not found as one of the network interfaces
[12:05] <benji> where are you from, what country
[12:06] <arathald> every time I try to configure, I get this mssg or similar: configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH
[12:06] <ZibiKebir> when i do ifconfig only eth0 is found and lo is found but no wlan
[12:06] <cafuego> benji: Did you want 420 answers?
[12:06] <benji> sure
[12:06] <Seveas> arathald, sudo aptitude install build-essential
[12:06] <cafuego> benji: try /whois <nick>
[12:06] <Vista> *g*
[12:06] <cafuego> benji: That will show you where someone is from. (in most cases)
[12:06] <arathald> Seveas is that one-time or do i have to do that each time i configure?
[12:06] <Vista> cafuego: not for .com and .net which are quite prevalent :)
[12:07] <Seveas> arathald, one time
[12:07] <arathald> Saveas: tyvm
[12:07] <cafuego> mpmc: Just coz it's ugly and coming in 2008 doesn't mean you have to use it.
[12:07] <mpmc> lol.. I have it damm it....
[12:08] <Seveas> cafuego, it's not that ugly
[12:08] <mpmc> My brother can only understand windows :/
[12:08] <flodine> Lassel i did the replace command and nothing in my menu
[12:08] <cafuego> mpmc: Did he have a lobotomy? ;-)
[12:08] <Madpilot> mpmc: you can get help for that sort of handicap...
[12:08] <Seveas> mpmc, then give him the bsod screensaver and he'll feel right at home :)
[12:08] <mpmc> lol
[12:08] <flodine> Lassel just the basic no gnome or debian
[12:08] <cafuego> Seveas: Really? or in the sameway luna is "not ugly"
[12:09] <Seveas> cafuego, it's still windows so it won't be pretty. But it's better than XP
[12:09] <mpmc> I have CP.... so.. I hate the word handicap.
[12:09] <cafuego> Seveas: so is a brick to the forehead...
[12:09] <mpmc> :@
[12:09] <Madpilot> mpmc: ah, sorry. joke gone wrong then...
[12:09] <Seveas> cafuego, ... :)
[12:09] <mpmc> Doyou know what CP is?
[12:10] <sky_monkey007> hey all :)
[12:10] <patrickj> Does anyone know the original system fonts?
[12:10] <Seveas> caustic phybrosis?
[12:10] <sky_monkey007> does anyone here run kubuntu w/ kxdocker?
[12:10] <mpmc> Noo...
[12:10] <patrickj> because mine got messed up and I need to original ones
[12:10] <mpmc> visit www.scope.org.uk <=.. I cant spell it
[12:10] <patrickj> or does noone wanna help me at all?
[12:10] <LokeDK> why does k3b burn with 18x when it's supposed to burn with 48x ? it uses cdrecord
[12:11] <cafuego> http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/10/0,1425,sz=1&i=102824,00.jpg
[12:11] <LasseL> what really annoys me about openbox is that eat seems to eat my keyboard events. Such as page up/down in firefox
[12:11] <cafuego> That pretty much says it all, I guess.
[12:11] <cafuego> Looks like they went for the Gnome 1.4 look.
[12:11] <Madpilot> cafuego: is that real or 'shopped?
[12:11] <cafuego> Madpilot: Apparently it's real.
[12:11] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, it is real
[12:11] <arathald> not I get configure: error: Cannot find ltdl.h -- libtool-devel not installed?
[12:12] <Madpilot> cafuego: gah. looks like some of the flakier themes from gnome-looks or elsewhere...
[12:12] <Seveas> arathald, install the libtool-dev package
[12:12] <cafuego> Madpilot: it should have more buttons though, like "Because it sucks" as well as "Cancel".
[12:12] <Seveas> arathald, what are you trying to compile?
[12:12] <patrickj> hmm I wonder if my messages are not seen..?
[12:12] <Seveas> patrickj, no they aren't :)
[12:12] <arathald> seveas: gnucash
[12:12] <roo_> patrickj, what msgs? ;)
[12:12] <Madpilot> arathald: gnucash in in Hoary repos
[12:12] <bartekp> hi
[12:12] <Seveas> arathald, that is available in the repositories
[12:13] <Seveas> !info gnucash
[12:13] <majic> does anyone know how long it might take to get an updated package with the latest stable version of Ruby? I'm just kind wondering why there was a beta version of Ruby in the repos for like ever...
[12:13] <ubotu> gnucash: (A personal finance tracking program), section universe/gnome, is extra. Version: 1.8.9-4ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 1237 kB, Installed size: 3844 kB
[12:13] <Burgundavia> majic, there is a bug filed about it
[12:13] <cafuego> !info ruby
[12:13] <patrickj> well can someone please help me, sorry to seem annoying but since Ive installed ubuntu ive had a few questions and they still go unansewred, but I figured most of em out, but this one I cant
[12:13] <ubotu> ruby: (An interpreter of object-oriented scripting language Ruby), section universe/interpreters, is optional. Version: 1.8.1-8 (hoary), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 96 kB
[12:13] <Burgundavia> majic, they are looking at solutins
[12:13] <majic> that is old. 1.8.2 is the latest and needed by Rails
[12:14] <arathald> seveas: does that mean I can use apt-get for it?
[12:14] <patrickj> I just need to know the original system fonts
[12:14] <Seveas> arathald, yes
[12:14] <Seveas> patrickj, http://ubuntulinux.nl/~dennis/screenshot.png
[12:14] <Seveas> arathald, you will need to enable universe to get it
[12:15] <Seveas> arathald: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[12:15] <Seveas> arathald: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[12:15] <Burgundavia> majic, Ubuntu does not update stable releases with new versions of applications
[12:15] <patrickj> Seveas: thanks you veyr much :D
[12:15] <patrickj> anyone know of any *good* icon themes?
[12:15] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, http://www.pcmag.com/slideshow_viewer/0,1205,l=&p=1&s=26945&a=156757&po=1&i=1,00.asp
[12:15] <Seveas> patrickj, gnome-look.org / art.gnome.org :)
[12:15] <majic> Burgundavia, but the version they picked was broken and only released for 3 days
[12:16] <Burgundavia> majic, this issue is well known and they are evaluated options
[12:16] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: oooo shiny...
[12:16] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, think cake, rotten...
[12:16] <Burgundavia> majic, http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12613
[12:17] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: didn't say it was good. just shiny. ;)
[12:17] <Discipulus> ut
[12:18] <Seveas> Madpilot, it's xp with a new theme :)
[12:18] <Amaranth> vista has one thing i want
[12:18] <nelsongs> i have upgraded the firmware/drivers of ipw2200, but still didn't work
[12:18] <Madpilot> Seveas: pretty much. and a fussy theme at that...
[12:18] <Madpilot> Amaranth: seriously?
[12:18] <littleworm> how can i run a script on startup?
[12:18] <Seveas> too big: http://www.pcmag.com/slideshow_viewer/0,1205,l=&s=26945&a=156757&po=17,00.asp
[12:19] <Amaranth> I actaully kinda like the transparent chrome idea.
[12:19] <Amaranth> oh, you guys don't know what chrome is :)
[12:19] <Jemty> littleworm: Using Gnome ?
[12:19] <Amaranth> transparent window border
[12:19] <littleworm> yeah
[12:19] <erisco> yo yall
[12:19] <Ferrara> my ati has little frames like 170 fps when a friend of mine has 3000 fps, i've the fglrx driver... anyone knows what is wrong ?
[12:19] <Jemty> littleworm: The top-menu : System > Preferences > Sessions
[12:19] <Amaranth> and in explorer their breadcrumb trail owns nautilus's
[12:20] <erisco> can anyone help me with mozilla?
[12:20] <Madpilot> Amaranth: the transparency is kinda cool, but overdone - too much of it
[12:20] <Jemty> littleworm: Use the tab 'Startup Programs'
[12:20] <littleworm> and add the script?
[12:20] <Jemty> littleworm: Yep
[12:20] <erisco> okay
[12:20] <Amaranth> Madpilot: it's subtle enough that i don't think you'd notice
[12:20] <littleworm> thanks
[12:20] <Cry_Mac_Ubuntu> Okay, Update manager time. Cya.
[12:20] <Jemty> littleworm: No problem :)
[12:20] <erisco> well where can i find the mozilla plugin directory?
[12:21] <erisco> i am trying to install javaruntime
[12:21] <hondje> !java
[12:21] <ubotu> rumour has it, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[12:21] <plopp> erisco did you add multiverse and backports to /etc/apt/sources.list?
[12:21] <erisco> multiverse huh? i am new =0
[12:22] <teddy> ive got a problem with 5.0.4 for PPC
[12:22] <Seveas> plopp, backports has nothing to do with java, hoary-extras has :)
[12:22] <teddy> i attmpted to compile last night on a fresh install
[12:22] <Jemty> erisco: A good place to start: www.ubuntuguide.org :)
[12:22] <plopp> erisco http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[12:22] <Madeye> is it safe to use this repos http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[12:22] <majic> Burgundavia, I don't see why somebody hasn't updated the package from the current 1.8.2 release. Having just switched over from Gentoo I don't see why it's that big of a deal, or maybe it is. I'm sure the package would not have changed much since it just incorporates some bug fixes.
[12:22] <Seveas> Jemty, that's a bad place to start....
[12:22] <plopp> Seveas: just to have more packages available :)
[12:22] <Seveas> plopp, bad list, backports on by default is not recommended
[12:22] <Jemty> Seveas: Not in my opinion
[12:22] <Burgundavia> majic, basically the policy is no new versions, because if they break things, you have bad news
[12:23] <plopp> Seveas: for me it works fine
[12:23] <Burgundavia> majic, did you read the comment from Sebastian Bacher on that bug?
[12:23] <Madeye> is it safe to use this repos http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[12:23] <erisco> alright so i went to the repositories on the unbuntu guide
[12:23] <Amaranth> http://www.pcmag.com/slideshow_viewer/0,1205,l=&s=26945&a=156757&po=11,00.asp holy shit
[12:23] <Seveas> Jemty, but it is :) i've spent lots of days in here helping people solve problems caused by that thing...
[12:23] <teddy> 5.0.4 PPC fresh install
[12:23] <teddy> compiling synergy ( synergy2.sf.net )
[12:23] <teddy> checking for C++ compiler default output... configure: error: C++ compiler cannot create executables
[12:23] <erisco> what do repositories have to do with it?
[12:23] <majic> Burgundavia, I didn't see his comments in that link
[12:23] <Seveas> teddy, sudo aptitude install build-essential
[12:23] <Jemty> Seveas: Could you elaborate on that? What kind of problems ?
[12:23] <teddy> thank you
[12:23] <Seveas> Jemty, things not working, packages broken etc...
[12:24] <plopp> ersico you need them so apt knows where to search for packages
[12:24] <Burgundavia> majic, sorry by mdz
[12:24] <prima> hi all
[12:24] <erisco> apt? well i already have javaruntime downloaded
[12:24] <prima> can u tell me web xmms ?
[12:24] <Seveas> erisco, good, what is the filename of the thing you downloaded?
[12:24] <erisco> i have everything done ecept for finding the mozilla plugin folder
[12:24] <plopp> ersico do it via apt, tha's much easier
[12:24] <prima> or how install xmms
[12:24] <Burgundavia> Madeye, sort of. Backports is now hosting on official servers
[12:24] <majic> Burgundavia, yeah, I read those.
[12:24] <Seveas> prima, sudo aptitude install xmms
[12:24] <erisco> let me check seveas
[12:24] <Jemty> Seveas: Could you give an example? Would like to know what is not working
[12:25] <Seveas> Jemty, the #configuresoundproperly for instance is a piece of crap...
[12:25] <majic> Burgundavia, if I knew how to build packages I'd attempt to fix the problem.
[12:25] <erisco> jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.rpm
[12:25] <Seveas> erisco, bad file, throw away :)
[12:25] <erisco> it is??
[12:25] <Jemty> Seveas: Ok. I'll check it out
[12:25] <plopp> erisco use the *bin
[12:25] <majic> but sadly I'm too new to Ubuntu... I got spoiled using Gentoo
[12:25] <erisco> i got it from the java site
[12:25] <prima> Initializing package states... Done <<<what next?
[12:25] <Seveas> erisco, you downloaded the rong one there
[12:26] <erisco> really?
[12:26] <prima> Initializing package states... Done <<<next what?
[12:26] <plopp> erisco rpms are bad :)
[12:26] <Madpilot> bbl everyone...
[12:26] <erisco> okay i will take not of that
[12:26] <erisco> no rpms
[12:26] <vader1102> hb Madpilot
[12:26] <erisco> so where do i go then?
[12:26] <Seveas> hang on
[12:26] <plopp> erisco same page but use the *.bin file
[12:26] <erisco> okay =)
[12:26] <cafuego> erisco: java.sun.com, download the .bin, not the .rpm.bin
[12:26] <erisco> same page?
[12:27] <Seveas> erisco, https://sdlcweb4b.sun.com/ECom/EComActionServlet;jsessionid=878572A19D294841195B1D82B20BDD2F#http://192.18.97.133/ECom/EComTicketServlet/BEGIN878572A19D294841195B1D82B20BDD2F/-2147483648/975637035/1/627746/627626/975637035/2ts+/westCoastFSEND/jre-1.5.0_04-oth-JPR/jre-1.5.0_04-oth-JPR:3/jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin
[12:27] <FR500> hello
[12:27] <Jemty> Seveas: Well, don't want to try it out. But it is much easier to just kill 'esd' when I ie want to play a game that communicates directly with the sound card and afterward load esd again :)
[12:27] <vader1102> Seveas: I am happy, got the mana world to finally install on here lol, it took one of their developers to make the proper .deb package for it lol
[12:27] <prima> Seveas : how next ?
[12:28] <Seveas> prima, did you enable universe..?
[12:28] <Jemty> BRB
[12:28] <prima> Initializing package states... Done <<<warning
[12:28] <FR500> is there a way to enable screen stretching at lower resolutions like in windoze on ly laptop?
[12:29] <Seveas> prima, that does not answer my question...
[12:29] <erisco> alright the .bin file is downloading
[12:29] <erisco> i think i tried that one before and didn't have success
[12:29] <erisco> so after it is downloaded... where do i go?
[12:29] <vader1102> brb
[12:29] <erisco> thanks for all the help btw
[12:29] <cafuego> erisco: Once it downloaded, udo apt-get install java-package
[12:29] <Seveas> erisco, while the bin file is downloading: sudo apt-get install java-package fakeroot
[12:30] <cafuego> but without the accents on the 'ses
[12:30] <erisco> with the accent on sudo?
[12:30] <Seveas> erisco, no :)
[12:30] <erisco> lol, joking
[12:30] <cafuego> erisco: No, the accents is my retarded input setup
[12:30] <prima>  did you enable universe..? <<< what u mean ??
[12:30] <Seveas> cafuego, then set it up properly ;)
[12:30] <Seveas> prima: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[12:30] <Seveas> prima: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[12:30] <erisco> okay it is downloaded let me bring up the terminal
[12:30] <cafuego> Seveas: I seems to be suffering from severe CBA
[12:31] <erisco> whirrrr
[12:31] <erisco> okay its done
[12:31] <erisco> so now i?
[12:31] <Seveas> what is done? apt-get?
[12:31] <erisco> yup
[12:32] <Seveas> now you do: fakeroot make-jpkg filename_of_java_bin
[12:32] <erisco> wow
[12:33] <erisco> that didn't work
[12:33] <cafuego> !doesn work
[12:33] <ubotu> No idea, cafuego
[12:33] <cafuego> !doesn't work
[12:33] <ubotu> doesn't work is, like, something you should never say.  Be more specific.
[12:33] <Seveas> what's the error?
[12:33] <erisco> oh sorry guys, little new
[12:33] <erisco> Error: The file "filename_of_java_bin" does not exist.
[12:33] <Seveas> erisco, hehe
[12:33] <Seveas> put the actual filename there :)
[12:33] <cafuego> erisco: Seveas meant the actual .bin you downloaded
[12:34] <littleworm> i managed to run a script on startup, but requires a password and because of that it doesn't work, solutions?
[12:34] <erisco> i was thinking that
[12:34] <cafuego> littleworm: what script?
[12:34] <Seveas> littleworm, what does it need the password for?
[12:35] <littleworm> sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt -o umask=022
[12:35] <Seveas> ehrm
[12:35] <Seveas> put that in fstab :)
[12:35] <erisco> so i have to give the path too?
[12:35] <Seveas> erisco, if it;s not in your current directory: yes
[12:35] <erisco> because i can never get the terminal to find anything on the desktop
[12:35] <littleworm> Seveas, what's that?
[12:35] <cafuego> littleworm: $EDITOR /etc/fstab
[12:35] <erisco> okay okay
[12:35] <Seveas> littleworm: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[12:36] <cafuego> littleworm: Just add an entry for your ntfs partition.
[12:36] <Seveas> run that script once
[12:36] <erisco> could i change my directory? with cd? then use that command?
[12:36] <Seveas> erisco, sure
[12:36] <erisco> okay
[12:36] <AndieB> Hi alll!
[12:36] <bobbyd> hi AndieB
[12:36] <AndieB> Question: How do I add my own program to the Program list in Ubuntu Linux?
[12:36] <erisco> fakeroot make-jpkg jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin
[12:36] <erisco> which will allow no damage to be done to your system files and
[12:36] <erisco> still permit the Java distribution to successfully extract.
[12:36] <erisco> Aborting.
[12:36] <jasoncohen> how do i change the mouse cursor theme in hoary?
[12:37] <AndieB> boodyd: Hi there!
[12:37] <jasoncohen> it changed after a reboot and i'm not sure why/how?
[12:37] <erisco> that was meant to happen?
[12:37] <bobbyd> AndieB, which program list?
[12:37] <Seveas> erisco, what happened? did you abort it yourself?
[12:37] <erisco> no i didn't
[12:37] <AndieB> bodbbyd: The one in GNOME, Programs, Systems like a TOOL bar...
[12:37] <erisco> i will try it again
[12:37] <t0mmy> okay, i'm having a problem with cedega
[12:38] <t0mmy> i'm using a program called SSRMAX
[12:38] <arathald> to run gnucash after I installed it, i had to go looking around, and I found an executable text file in /usr/bin/ but each time i run it i have to click run before gnucash will start. am i overlooking a shortcut somewhere to gnucash (i assumed it would be in my apps menu, but its not)
[12:38] <erisco> it aborted again
[12:38] <t0mmy> when i launch it, i get
[12:38] <erisco> hmmmmm
[12:38] <Seveas> erisco, and that is the complete output?
[12:38] <erisco> yes
[12:38] <t0mmy> /usr/bin/cedega: line 348: 32025 Segmentation fault      $SHELL -c "$RUNWINE $WINVER -debugmsg $DEBUGMSG -use-dos-cwd $WORKDIR $EJECT $DT -- $COMMAND_LINE"
[12:38] <AndieB> bobbyd: Do you follow me?
[12:38] <t0mmy> that's the error
[12:38] <t0mmy> and then the window closes
[12:39] <Seveas> arathald, you can simply run it by hitting <alt><f2> and typing gnucash in the window that pops up
[12:39] <erisco> You are real root -- unfortunately, some Java distributions have
[12:39] <erisco> install scripts that directly manipulate /etc, and may cause some
[12:39] <erisco> inconsistencies on your system. Instead, you should become a
[12:39] <erisco> non-root user and run:
[12:39] <erisco> fakeroot make-jpkg jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin
[12:39] <erisco> i missed that starting part lol
[12:39] <Seveas> erisco, drop to normal user
[12:39] <Seveas> dpn't run it as root
[12:39] <erisco> okay
[12:39] <bobbyd> AndieB, sorry, I use KDE
[12:39] <t0mmy> <_<
[12:39] <erisco> i figured from what it said
[12:39] <cafuego> t0mmy: SSRMAX is windows software and cedega is proprietary payware. Try _their_ tech support.
[12:39] <Seveas> erisco, and please don't paste in here, use paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[12:39] <arathald> seveas: is there a way to create a shorcut so i dont have to remember all my program names?
[12:39] <t0mmy> well, is there an IRC channel for it, or what?
[12:39] <Seveas> arathald, you can use smeg to edit the menu
[12:39] <Seveas> !smeg
[12:39] <ubotu> smeg is, like, a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[12:39] <cafuego> t0mmy: no idea
[12:40] <t0mmy> heh, there is
[12:40] <arathald> seveas: kk, thx
[12:40] <AndieB> bobbdyd: Oki, no probbs! Thanks for you effort anyhow!
[12:40] <erisco> whirrrrr
[12:41] <erisco> i accidently missed the username
[12:41] <erisco> it is blank o0
[12:41] <erisco> i hope that isn't too bad
[12:41] <arathald> seveas: how do i install adeb: is it the same as a tar?
[12:41] <Seveas> erisco, it isn't :)
[12:41] <AndieB> Anyone who can help me out who is using GNOME?
[12:41] <erisco> okay good
[12:41] <cafuego> lddlibc4: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:41] <Seveas> arathald, smeg comes with a nice install script
[12:41] <cafuego> ouch! ouch!
[12:42] <Seveas> cafuego, ouch...
[12:42] <r0bby> hmmm was reading up on who Mark Shuttleworth was...i was curious how he got all his money
[12:42] <r0bby> it's interesting
[12:42] <Seveas> arathald, http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg/installsmeg
[12:42] <Seveas> download and run that
[12:42] <erisco> ooh something appeared on my desktop
[12:42] <Amaranth> Btw, if anyone comes up with a better name for smeg and I accept it, I'll put you in the release notes for 0.8
[12:42] <Seveas> erisco, a .deb file :)
[12:42] <erisco> yup
[12:42] <cafuego> Seveas: Luckily it's only beagle
[12:42] <erisco> okay its done
[12:42] <Seveas> erisco, sudo dpkg -i ~/Desktop/sun*deb
[12:43] <r0bby> what does smeg do?
[12:43] <Seveas> r0bby, it's a menu editor
[12:43] <r0bby> for what
[12:43] <Amaranth> !smeg
[12:43] <ubotu> methinks smeg is a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[12:43] <Amaranth> what it does isn't important
[12:43] <Amaranth> if you think it is, you won't come up with a name i like
[12:43] <erisco> geez, it amazes me how yo know this all
[12:43] <erisco> well that process is complete
[12:43] <Madpilot> erisco: actually, ubotu knows everything. the rest of us just fake it... ;)
[12:44] <cafuego> erisco: years of experience
[12:44] <arathald> seveas: and how do i use that script
[12:44] <txcangel> according to some programs ive been trying to install i dont have any C or C++ Compiler installed so i cant make the install's then when i try to install GCC (a C & C++ compiler) it tells me that i need a C compiler to install that too... i dont know where i else to go...
[12:44] <erisco> heh
[12:44] <hou5ton> geeezzz  ... what is the command to connect to another server?
[12:44] <r0bby> using what client?
[12:44] <Seveas> arathald, sudo python installsme
[12:44] <erisco> i guess i just need to gain that years of expirience part
[12:44] <Seveas> arathald, sudo python installsmeg
[12:44] <r0bby> irssi, it's /connect <serner>
[12:44] <hou5ton> xchat
[12:44] <Amaranth> arathald: open a terminal and type this in: wget http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg/installsmeg && chmod +x installsmeg && sudo ./installsmeg && rm installsmeg
[12:44] <cafuego> erisco: it helps :-)
[12:44] <r0bby> Ctrl+T??
[12:44] <erisco> go figure =p
[12:44] <spudse_> apt-get install asks me to insert the ubuntu cd, is that normal?
[12:45] <Seveas> spudse_, yes, but you can disable it
[12:45] <r0bby> comment out the top line :P
[12:45] <Amaranth> txcangel: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[12:45] <erisco> okay so currently i have a .deb file on my desktop
[12:45] <Seveas> erisco, sudo dpkg -i ~/Desktop/sun*deb
[12:45] <vader1102> txangel: have you tried the synaptic packag manager?
[12:45] <spudse_> it should download whatever it needs the cd for, is that possible?
[12:45] <Seveas> that's all there is left to do :)
[12:45] <sexcopter8000m> does anyone know of an msn client for linux that supports display pictures for contacts?
[12:45] <erisco> and seveas, i just did that no?
[12:45] <Seveas> sexcopter8000m, gaim :)
[12:45] <sexcopter8000m> it does?
[12:45] <Seveas> erisco, if you already fif that, you're done :)
[12:45] <erisco> yes i just did do that
[12:45] <sexcopter8000m> mine doesn't, afaik
[12:45] <erisco> oh really?great
[12:45] <arathald> amaranth: well, as much as I'd like to just copy and paste that, I really need to learn how to use the console myself, and the best way is to take things step-by-step and understand exactly what's going on. thanks for the shorcut tho
[12:45] <erisco> let me test it out
[12:46] <sexcopter8000m> but i have the ubuntu version, which it says is out of date
[12:46] <Seveas> erisco, try: java -version
[12:46] <erisco> besides the fact, what do i do with the .deb file?
[12:46] <Seveas> sexcopter8000m, the ubuntu version works fine here
[12:46] <Seveas> erisco, you can toss it away
[12:46] <Madpilot> arathald: for basic command line stuff, I like http://linuxcommand.org/
[12:46] <Seveas> together with the .bin file
[12:46] <sexcopter8000m> i get pictures for other contacts, but how do you set a picture for yourself?
[12:46] <erisco> okay good, deb file gone. and it came back with a version! good
[12:47] <spudse_> Seveas: how do i set apt-get to download the needed files instead of using the cd?
[12:47] <erisco> well i learned a couple more commands, and that rmps aren't good
[12:47] <Seveas> sexcopter8000m, tools->account, select your account, hit edit, and set the picture :)
[12:47] <erisco> thanks a lot seveas
[12:47] <r0bby> I love Breezy :D
[12:47] <r0bby> :P
[12:47] <Seveas> spudse_, edit /etc/apt/sources.list as root (sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list) and remove the entry with the CD
[12:47] <vader1102> oh I just love having lag lol
[12:47] <r0bby> hou5ton, Ctrl+t
[12:47] <r0bby> /server <server>
[12:47] <spudse_> Seveas ok thanks
[12:48] <r0bby> to get a new server :)
[12:48] <Seveas> r0bby, /newserver
[12:48] <Seveas> :)
[12:48] <r0bby> or that :P
[12:48] <hou5ton> r0bby:  ya ... i also got smart enough to do /help  ;-)
[12:48] <r0bby> :P
[12:48] <Seveas> hou5ton, that's about as smart as it gets :)
[12:49] <hou5ton> Seveas:  LOL
[12:49] <hou5ton> ya
[12:49] <r0bby> hou5ton, should have done that to begin w/
[12:49] <r0bby> rather than expecting somebody to hold your hand :)
[12:49] <shakuhashi> how is breezy going? plenty bugs or not?
[12:49] <hou5ton> r0bby:  ya ... hopefully hou5ton will remember next time
[12:49] <r0bby> it works well for me
[12:49] <r0bby> :P
[12:49] <vader1102> I get frustrated then I calm down and come in lol
[12:49] <hou5ton> hey ... give me time ... i'm learning
[12:49] <r0bby> it's okay
[12:49] <r0bby> :)
[12:49] <shakuhashi> i'll install it tomorow
[12:49] <txcangel> thx all
[12:49] <spudse_> when i have installed the multimedia codecs, do I need to reboot or can I use them right away ?
[12:49] <vader1102> when all the dust settlles I just get it to work
[12:50] <erisco> one more thing right now....
[12:50] <Seveas> shakuhashi, X is still broken
[12:50] <Seveas> so you'd better not install it if you want a GUI :)
[12:50] <erisco> i need some sort of guide to apache
[12:50] <shakuhashi> living well untill now with my hoary
[12:50] <r0bby> why does it work fine for me :P
[12:50] <erisco> i have the server running
[12:50] <erisco> but i can't do anything with it yet
[12:50] <Seveas> erisco, web pages go in /var/www/
[12:50] <Seveas> what more do you need :)
[12:50] <Madpilot> erisco: #apache here on freenode is useful
[12:51] <r0bby> userdir goes in ~/public_html/
[12:51] <arathald> madpilot: thx- will check it out
[12:51] <shakuhashi> people in brazil leaving their debian servers for ubuntu ones
[12:51] <vader1102> <---won't do a server until his command line is better known lol
[12:51] <erisco> madpilot, ty
[12:51] <erisco> i will copy that down
[12:51] <r0bby> example http://hostname/~user
[12:51] <cafuego> shakuhashi: That very stupid of them.
[12:51] <Seveas> vader1102, www.tldp.org :)
[12:51] <vader1102> Seveas: ty
[12:51] <r0bby> I still can't use sed and awk yet
[12:52] <r0bby> \never cared
[12:52] <newbie3> could some one give me a baisc nat script for ubuntu?
[12:52] <shakuhashi> cafuego, why do you say that?
[12:52] <r0bby> I did however use sed for regex one day :P
[12:52] <r0bby> basic
[12:52] <newbie3> and tell me where to put it?
[12:52] <hou5ton> Burgundavia:  if you're still here, I found sort of what I'm looking for ... now just trying to figure out how to make it work.   gdesklets
[12:52] <cafuego> shakuhashi: debian has been stable for _years_.
[12:52] <cafuego> shakuhashi: Last i checked servers needed stability.
[12:52] <erisco> bad news seveas, i think i messed up again
[12:52] <newbie3> or a website with it
[12:52] <r0bby> :)
[12:52] <newbie3> showing u
[12:52] <erisco> i don't have a /var/ anything
[12:52] <shakuhashi> cafuego, what about the recent security problems with sarge?
[12:52] <Seveas> erisco, :|
[12:52] <[Spooky] > anyone use Skype here ? :)
[12:52] <erisco> i can ping the server when it is running though
[12:52] <spudse_> I have a fat32 partition on my harddisk, can Ubuntu read from it?
[12:52] <cafuego> shakuhashi: They were resolved.
[12:52] <Seveas> did you remove /var ..?
[12:52] <Seveas> spudse_, yes
[12:52] <erisco> and i can see it's temporary page
[12:53] <Seveas> spudse_: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[12:53] <erisco> i am running apache2 btw
[12:53] <newbie3> anywone? nat hep??
[12:53] <LokeDK> [Spooky] , yes
[12:53] <shakuhashi> cafuego, you use ubuntu just for desktop?
[12:53] <newbie3> help
[12:53] <r0bby> hmmm openoffice was held back
[12:53] <Seveas> erisco, you have no /var/www..?
[12:53] <cafuego> shakuhashi: Yep
[12:53] <erisco> nope....
[12:53] <cafuego> shakuhashi: if ubuntu is stable on 2007, i might consider it for a server
[12:53] <erisco> i am in my file browser right nowe
[12:53] <r0bby> well openoffice.org-debian-files
[12:53] <[Spooky] > LokeDK: hehe ok, so where are you from then ?
[12:53] <spudse_> Saveas: ok thanks, how do i mount the partition just for now ?
[12:53] <D1> what? so 1.1.x will be on breezy?
[12:53] <LokeDK> [Spooky] , denmark
[12:54] <Seveas> spudse_, mount /dev/your_partition /mnt -t vfat -o umask=0000
[12:54] <shakuhashi> cafuego, what do you say when debian users ask you to use sarge as desktop instead of ubuntu?
[12:54] <erisco> i got help on the forums as how to install apache
[12:54] <benplaut> D1: 2.0 will be backported, in worst case
[12:54] <charles> crimsun: I'm having a bit of trouble and hear you're the audio expert / person to talk to
[12:54] <[Spooky] > LokeDK: ah cool im swedish :) wanna talk with me and friend ?
[12:54] <r0bby> unF unF unF
[12:54] <Seveas> erisco, what's the output of ls -al /var
[12:54] <spudse_> Seveas: thanks
[12:54] <D1> Im using 2.0, it works well.
[12:54] <r0bby> :)
[12:54] <D1> way faster than 1.1
[12:54] <crimsun> charles: what's up?
[12:54] <Seveas> put it on http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl please
[12:54] <erisco> from that directory? jsut a sec
[12:54] <benplaut> D1: 1.9 beta ;)
[12:54] <newbie3> please any one ? whant to share my internet with nat?
[12:54] <D1> I know.
[12:54] <D1> works well, still.
[12:54] <newbie3> url anything?
[12:55] <Seveas> newbie3, install firestarter
[12:55] <D1> fedora did it.
[12:55] <spudse_> Saveas: how do i run fstab ?
[12:55] <LokeDK> [Spooky] , sorry - my microphone is broken
[12:55] <[Spooky] > LokeDK: hehe ok
[12:55] <LokeDK> Don't have the money for a new one
[12:55] <Seveas> spudse_, you mean the script I gave you?
[12:55] <JaZYLNX> is there a ubuntu channel that's just for ppc?
[12:55] <charles> I have an audiophile 2496 card (uses the ice1712 chipset). The sound comes out at the wrong pitch and sounds garbled, however turning the volume down works
[12:55] <Seveas> JaZYLNX, no
[12:55] <spudse_> Saveas: yes, it opens in gedit
[12:55] <erisco> total 60
[12:55] <erisco> drwxr-xr-x  15 root root  4096 2005-07-31 11:37 .
[12:55] <erisco> drwxr-xr-x  22 root root  4096 2005-07-30 12:50 ..
[12:55] <erisco> drwxr-xr-x   2 root root  4096 2005-07-31 07:36 backups
[12:55] <erisco> drwxr-xr-x  11 root root  4096 2005-07-31 13:42 cache
[12:55] <newbie3> Seveas: a nat script would be just as good an i could learn more
[12:55] <erisco> drwxr-xr-x   2 root root  4096 2005-07-30 17:04 games
[12:55] <erisco> drwxr-xr-x  33 root root  4096 2005-07-31 13:42 lib
[12:55] <r0bby> flood in #flood
[12:55] <Seveas> erisco, i said: on the pastebin!
[12:55] <JaZYLNX> do you guys offer support for ppc ubuntu?
[12:56] <Seveas> no pasting in here
[12:56] <Madpilot> !pastebin
[12:56] <ubotu> pastebin is, like, at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[12:56] <Seveas> JaZYLNX, yup :)
[12:56] <benplaut> JaZ: yup
[12:56] <crimsun> charles: one sec
[12:56] <JaZYLNX> nice :)
[12:56] <Seveas> spudse_, in a terminal you type: sudo bash winmac_fstab
[12:56] <r0bby> somebody entertain me
[12:56] <JaZYLNX> i want the sleep light to be active as the hdd light, i know it can be set in the kernel, can i just run the make util for the kernel and enable.?
[12:57] <Seveas> JaZYLNX, if it's a compile time option for the kernel read the following:
[12:57] <erisco> ah! what is this demigod thing?
[12:57] <cafuego> JaZYLNX: Does the kernel need patching for it?
[12:57] <r0bby> are there any utils to fix ntfs partitions from within linux
[12:57] <Seveas> JaZYLNX: You can find compilation instructions on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto
[12:57] <r0bby> userspace tools?
[12:57] <erisco> stealing my voice?
[12:57] <Seveas> r0bby, 'fix'?
[12:57] <JaZYLNX> thanks
[12:57] <r0bby> as in, it's dead
[12:57] <Seveas> r0bby, in that case: no
[12:57] <Seveas> ntfs is proprietary crap
[12:57] <r0bby> as in there over 100 errors as SMART reported
[12:58] <Seveas> r0bby, that's not an ntfs error
[12:58] <Seveas> that's deeper
[12:58] <r0bby> I know :/
[12:58] <Madpilot> r0bby: sounds like your drive is dying
[12:58] <Seveas> try to mount it
[12:58] <r0bby> it is :/
[12:58] <r0bby> i tried
[12:58] <Seveas> and copy over all you can
[12:58] <Seveas> and then throw it out
[12:58] <Amaranth> r0bby: makes backups of everything important and get a new drive
[12:58] <r0bby> _how_?
[12:58] <Amaranth> r0bby: if you can't even access it now it's lost
[12:59] <geneo93> whos the expert on travan drives
[12:59] <Seveas> if it won't mount: you're doomed
[12:59] <r0bby> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1,
[12:59] <r0bby>        missing codepage or other error
[12:59] <r0bby> :P
[12:59] <r0bby> yeh doomed :p
[12:59] <Seveas> r0bby, what was your mount call?
[12:59] <Amaranth> r0bby: you did -t ntfs?
[12:59] <r0bby> yeh it mounts fine :p
[12:59] <r0bby> or it did
[12:59] <erisco> what has happened?
[12:59] <erisco> can anyone here my?
[12:59] <Madpilot> r0bby: any data-recovery cleanroom businesses you can send the thing to? if it's that screwed...
[12:59] <crimsun> charles: it sounds (no pun intended) like you need a newer version of the ALSA drivers. I'm sending you instructions in priv msg.
[12:59] <erisco> hear*
[12:59] <Seveas> erisco, you pasted in here
[12:59] <crimsun> !tell charles about alsa-source
[12:59] <erisco> pasted?
[12:59] <Seveas> so I muted you
[12:59] <erisco> i am so sorry, i think i did something very bad
[01:00] <r0bby> boot sector invalid
[01:00] <erisco> pasted?
[01:00] <Seveas> paste the output of 'ls -al /var' on http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[01:00] <erisco> but you asked for the input
[01:00] <r0bby> I am so screwed :/
[01:00] <Seveas> erisco, yes, on that website
[01:00] <Seveas> not in here
[01:00] <erisco> ack! on what website?
[01:00] <Seveas> the one I mentioned about 10 times now :)
[01:00] <Seveas> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[01:00] <erisco> i feel so confused and stupid....
[01:01] <charles> wow... I love it when people post the commands &&'d together, that's how I always do it.
[01:01] <Amaranth> !paste
[01:01] <ubotu> somebody said paste was ""http://ubuntu.pastebin.com http://pastebin.com or #flood here on freenode.""
[01:01] <erisco> i don't recall you mentioning that
[01:01] <r0bby> 126 errors
[01:01] <Amaranth> ick
[01:01] <charles> crimsun: thanks... will try and let you know
[01:01] <crimsun> charles: ok
[01:01] <Amaranth> ubotu: no, paste is Please use http://rafb.net/paste/ or #flood to paste large ammounts of text
[01:01] <ubotu> Amaranth: okay
[01:01] <geneo93> bbiab
[01:01] <Seveas> Amaranth, hm>
[01:01] <erisco> what do i put under the name field?
[01:02] <r0bby> :/
[01:02] <Seveas> what's wrong with the other?
[01:02] <r0bby> I use win32 primarily :P
[01:02] <concept10> this new kid on MTV is starting to wreck my nerves
[01:02] <erisco> will i ever be unmuted again?
[01:02] <vader1102> is anyone talking?
[01:02] <Seveas> erisco, you are already :)
[01:02] <erisco> oh okay
[01:02] <Amaranth> Seveas: pastebin is crappy :)
[01:02] <erisco> i am so extremely sorry
[01:02] <Seveas> Amaranth, rafb is crappy :)
[01:02] <r0bby> 	The previous self-test completed having
[01:02] <r0bby> the read element of the test failed.
[01:02] <r0bby> oh yeh
[01:02] <r0bby> it's dead.
[01:02] <erisco> i didn't know...
[01:02] <Seveas> erisco, you put your nickname in the name field
[01:03] <r0bby> :/
[01:03] <erisco> okay
[01:03] <Seveas> or anything you like :)
[01:03] <Amaranth> Seveas: pastebin thinks everything is PHP
[01:03] <Belutz> ubuntu is crappy :/?
[01:03] <Seveas> Amaranth, solved months ago....
[01:03] <erisco> wasn't sure if i was to put your name in there as to send it to you
[01:03] <r0bby> anybody want a brick?
[01:03] <charles> what do I do if I get the error "you don't have the compiler that your kernel was built with"?
[01:03] <toad3030> anybody mind helping me with my no sound issue pls?   i am running AMD Athlon 64 3000+ w/ a audigy 2 ZS, i also have the Ubuntu64 installed also
[01:03] <erisco> okay it is posted
[01:03] <Amaranth> Seveas: rafb supports Python syntax highlighting
[01:03] <spudse_> I am playing a divx with Totem, but the sound is out of sync with the video, how can I fix that ?
[01:03] <Seveas> Amaranth, pastebin.com too
[01:04] <Seveas> and much more languages :)
[01:04] <Seveas> and it simply looks cleaner
[01:04] <Amaranth> Seveas: pastebin has an overly complicated UI
[01:04] <crimsun> toad3030: please paste the output of amixer onto paste.ubuntulinux.org
[01:04] <Amaranth> Seveas: and i hate purple
[01:04] <benplaut> r0bby: probably not
[01:04] <Seveas> Amaranth, purple?!?!
[01:04] <Seveas> it's blue
[01:04] <Seveas> and simple :)
[01:04] <crimsun> toad3030: sorry, paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[01:04] <Amaranth> oh, it's dirty blue and gray now
[01:04] <jazzanova> hi
[01:05] <Amaranth> Seveas: Pastebin can't win at simple, rafb is 4 links and the paste
[01:05] <benplaut> then use #flood...
[01:05] <Seveas> Amaranth, i like the 'last X posts' thing
[01:05] <erisco> so the fact that command came back with results, that means i do have a /var?
[01:05] <Amaranth> Seveas: It's useless for Ubuntu.
[01:06] <erisco> and if so, why can't i see it under file manager?
[01:06] <crimsun> toad3030: that's ok, just open a terminal and type: amixer
[01:06] <toad3030> ok, just a sec
[01:06] <r0bby> :(
[01:06] <crimsun> toad3030: copy and paste all that output onto the web site
[01:06] <Amaranth> Seveas: Oh, and pastebin has ads.
[01:06] <Seveas> not really, people in here often just say 'ok, pasted it'
[01:06] <Seveas> Amaranth, nope :)
[01:06] <toad3030> ya
[01:06] <toad3030> will do
[01:06] <Amaranth> Seveas: yep.
[01:06] <Seveas> pastebin.ca has
[01:06] <Seveas> pastebin.com not
[01:06] <Madpilot> erisco: /var is under Filesystem, not your /home directory
[01:06] <Seveas> they are VERY different
[01:06] <Amaranth> Seveas: I'm staring at a google add right now on pastebin.com
[01:06] <Amaranth> err, ad
[01:07] <erisco> yes i know madpilot... er wait do i?
[01:07] <Seveas> Amaranth, hmm?!?
[01:07] <Seveas> I see no ads...
[01:07] <erisco> this is my post on pastebin http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/853
[01:07] <Seveas> hmm, wait, google ads. I blecked these with adblock :D
[01:07] <r0bby> it's funny, the oldest drive, is the one in the best condition
[01:07] <Seveas> erisco, simply said: you have a /var/www folder
[01:08] <erisco> you mean just plain /var! not etc/apache/var/?
[01:08] <Seveas> plese look for it more careful :)
[01:08] <Seveas> yes, /var/www
[01:08] <sproingie> so what's this mean when I try to install a package?
[01:08] <sproingie> dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 1:
[01:08] <Madpilot> erisco: just plain /var/ww
[01:08] <sproingie>  EOF after field name `'
[01:08] <erisco> whoooo!!! YEHA
[01:08] <r0bby> the one in the worst condition is my 200g which is what holds my ubuntu install :X
[01:08] <erisco> Okay this is getting cool
[01:08] <Seveas> sproingie, ouch
[01:08] <Seveas> that means problems...
[01:08] <r0bby> the nest worst is my 30gb which is the one that holds my old winxp install
[01:08] <toad3030> ok it is pasted there now
[01:08] <sproingie> i never touched it
[01:08] <erisco> Thanks guys for dealing with my ignorance
[01:08] <r0bby> then is my laptop hard drive i have mounted
[01:08] <erisco> i got ubuntu about 20 hours ago
[01:08] <sproingie> i had expected it would be windows that ate itself, not linux
[01:08] <eyequeue> sproingie:  ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/available
[01:09] <erisco> and learning it is sometimes fusterating, and sometimes fun
[01:09] <sproingie> eyequeue: zero length file.  i copied available-old over it and got the same error
[01:09] <erisco> terminal is kinda new to me
[01:09] <Madpilot> erisco: you can change the ownership of var/www, or just add your own folders inside it
[01:09] <erisco> wasn't much terminal on windows
[01:09] <Seveas> sproingie, copy over /var/lib/dpkg/available to a safe location and then remove it from /var/lib/dpkg/
[01:09] <eyequeue> sproingie: df /var/lib/dpkg/available
[01:09] <sproingie> Seveas: now it just complains it doesn't exist
[01:09] <erisco> yea i was just gunna empty var/www and put in my website
[01:09] <hondje> anyone use a pocket pc with evolution?
[01:09] <Seveas> sproingie, correct
[01:09] <Madpilot> erisco: in a terminal: cd /var/www
[01:09] <eyequeue> sproingie: is there room on the partition?
[01:09] <Seveas> we'll recreate it now :)
[01:10] <sproingie> eyequeue: plenty
[01:10] <erisco> now when i start the apache server, is there anyway to indicate it is started?
[01:10] <erisco> oh okay
[01:10] <charles> I have a compiler mis-match, it says that i "don't have the compiler my kernel was built with"... is there a way to get a different kernel or do I have to built it from scratch?
[01:10] <erisco> i am there
[01:10] <eyequeue> sproingie: okay, Seveas will walk you back to success-land :)
[01:10] <Madpilot> erisco: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP <-- at the bottom of the page, there's info on starting/stopping/restarting Apache
[01:10] <Seveas> sproingie, dpkg -R --record-avail /var/lib/apt/lists
[01:10] <erisco> i am in www on my terminal
[01:11] <Seveas> erisco, if you can reach your webpage, it is started :)
[01:11] <sproingie> Seveas: dpkg: failed to open package info file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' for reading: No such file or directory
[01:11] <Seveas> sproingie, touch /var/lib/dpkg/available
[01:11] <Madpilot> erisco: OK. in your browser (not the termina) just type "localhost" into an address bar
[01:11] <Seveas> and retry
[01:11] <erisco> yes... i could always check it that way seveas, but i mean can't i have a terminal running it?
[01:11] <erisco> or an icon appear?
[01:11] <sproingie> Seveas: dpkg: searched, but found no packages (files matching *.deb)
[01:11] <erisco> dunna just asking
[01:11] <erisco> so i don't forget what state it is in
[01:11] <Seveas> erisco, it simply always runs when you start your computer...
[01:12] <erisco> madpilot, yea i have been there before
[01:12] <tiglionabbit> hello everyone.  I haven't been around here in a while.  Did anyone miss me?
[01:12] <erisco> the default thing
[01:12] <erisco> which i can now replace
[01:12] <linlin> i missed you
[01:12] <Seveas> sproingie, hmm, which command gave that output?
[01:12] <sproingie> Seveas: incidentally, this happened after upgradingb dpkg (security upgrade looks like)
[01:12] <erisco> seveas, actually i have found commands to start and stop it
[01:12] <tiglionabbit> thank you, linlin =] 
[01:12] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  wb :)
[01:12] <Madpilot> erisco: with Apache running, there should be a folder apache2-default/ in localhost
[01:12] <jazzanova> having trouble playing the dvd. it says error accessing the device. dmesg recognizes the device as DVD
[01:12] <sproingie> Seveas: the one you gave me, dpkg -R --record-avail /var/lib/apt/lists
[01:12] <erisco> okay, i have to start apache
[01:13] <tiglionabbit> oh hi eyequeue, been a while since I've seen you too
[01:13] <jazzanova> i am using gxine
[01:13] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  exactly :)
[01:13] <Madpilot> erisco: that will link you to the Apache documentation
[01:13] <erisco> oh it is on
[01:13] <Seveas> sproingie, try dselect update
[01:13] <tiglionabbit> heh, I used to try and help people out here, but any info I have will be a bit dated now
[01:13] <tiglionabbit> can't wait til breezy
[01:13] <Madpilot> erisco: Apache will start automagically on install & on boot
[01:13] <crimsun> toad3030: type this in a terminal: amixer sset 'Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack' on
[01:13] <erisco> will it? cool
[01:14] <jazzanova> it says no input plugin was found
[01:14] <toad3030> k
[01:14] <erisco> so i have to manually turn it off
[01:14] <erisco> but it on default will be on
[01:14] <sproingie> Seveas: that seems to have done it.  oddly, aptitude's update does not do it
[01:14] <Madpilot> erisco: yes, to both questions.
[01:14] <Geist|Patrick> hi
[01:14] <erisco> just that i did turn it off, and couldn't remember if i turned it back on
[01:14] <Seveas> sproingie, there is a reason why :)
[01:14] <JaZYLNX> anyone know where the blink sleep light is?
[01:14] <Seveas> aptitude is simply too smart :)
[01:14] <JaZYLNX> in the kernel config
[01:14] <toad3030> ok
[01:14] <Geist|Patrick> someone here who could help me fixing problems that were caused by captive
[01:14] <Seveas> aptitude compares timestamps, dselect doesn't
[01:14] <elmagozizou> hey what happens if the md5sum of an image is not the same of the one it should be? it doesnt work?
[01:14] <sproingie> Seveas: yeah, it was slow as molasses rebuilding the database (relatively speaking)
[01:14] <Geist|Patrick> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/852
[01:14] <erisco> now, is the server actually broadcasting to the universe right now?
[01:15] <Geist|Patrick> i need help to correct that file
[01:15] <Seveas> erisco, correct
[01:15] <Madpilot> erisco: no. it's just listening
[01:15] <erisco> seveas said yes, madpilot said it is just listening
[01:15] <toad3030> thank you crimsun
[01:15] <sproingie> Seveas: or reading the db anyway, presumably it was rebuilding something cached.  apt's magic is really rather deep
[01:15] <tiglionabbit> I have a pretty unrelated question though, but I don't know who else to ask it of.  My tablet PC is falling apart, which makes me sad.  And I need a cell phone.  I was thinking I want to get an interesting handheld, with a stylus and support for a keyboard, but also wireless internet for web browsing, messenger, email, and to also work as a cell phone.  I don't know exactly what I'm looking for though
[01:15] <JaZYLNX> never mind found it
[01:15] <Geist|Patrick> although captive failed to install, it modified the fstab file
[01:15] <erisco> i know it is listening for requests
[01:15] <crimsun> toad3030: np
[01:15] <Geist|Patrick> and a restart didnt updated the file :/
[01:15] <toad3030> how would i get my 5.1 to work then?
[01:15] <nessmuk> can someone help me get my floppy drive recognized?
[01:16] <erisco> don't know if it is safe to say the port number?
[01:16] <Madpilot> erisco: Seveas: I thought it just listened by default, but I could be wrong.
[01:16] <Seveas> erisco, webservers cannot broadcast
[01:16] <erisco> lol, you know what i mean
[01:16] <Seveas> erisco, but by default everyone from everywhere can connect
[01:16] <erisco> well at least i think you do
[01:16] <erisco> okay
[01:16] <crimsun> toad3030: you need to use a program that outputs to 5.1; you also need to adjust the mixer sliders labeled Surround, Center, and LFE
[01:16] <Seveas> that's what madpilot meant :)
[01:17] <toad3030> ok, ty
[01:17] <hondje> Anyone use a PocketPC with Evolution?
[01:17] <erisco> okay okay, lol
[01:17] <erisco> now, to get a domain... i have to buy one right?
[01:17] <vader1102> hondje: I use it but now with pocket pc
[01:17] <erisco> apache can't host one can it?
[01:17] <Madpilot> erisco: you need to buy a domain from someone
[01:17] <erisco> yup okay
[01:17] <vader1102> not^^
[01:17] <erisco> i was sure on that one
[01:17] <Seveas> erisco, you can get free ones too
[01:17] <erisco> free ones?
[01:18] <erisco> oh yes like freewebs
[01:18] <hondje> vader1102, now or not? :)
[01:18] <Geist|Patrick> what are the default settings to use the kernel driver reading those ntfs
[01:18] <vader1102> not
[01:18] <erisco> no i wanted my own, as in own, short domain
[01:18] <Seveas> yeah, like erisco.tk or erisco.dyndns.org
[01:18] <vader1102> sorry derned fingers
[01:18] <erisco> .tk is free?
[01:18] <Seveas> yes
[01:18] <erisco> oh cool
[01:18] <Seveas> see www.dot.tk
[01:18] <erisco> well i could always use taht right now
[01:19] <erisco> i will register with that then
[01:19] <erisco> this is something else i am not sure of
[01:19] <prima> why yahooo messenger can't webcam?
[01:19] <erisco> i have a domain
[01:19] <crimsun> Geist|Patrick: would you rephrase your question? It's difficult to understand.
[01:19] <erisco> i have my server
[01:19] <erisco> i have my website
[01:19] <erisco> how do i combine the three?
[01:19] <prima> how ym open web cam
[01:19] <hondje> prima, doesn't work in linux yet
[01:19] <Seveas> erisco, hehe :)
[01:19] <erisco> so when a person goes to my domain, they go to my site on my server?
[01:20] <erisco> yes i am dumb i know
[01:20] <prima> do u know gyach ?
[01:20] <Seveas> usually you let your domain point to your server, with tk you will have to take a detour
[01:20] <erisco> i only have built websites
[01:20] <erisco> this is so new... actually making a server
[01:20] <erisco> if i ever get good at this i hope it to be a buisness
[01:20] <PrimoTurbo> Hey guys how do I uninstall or remove doom3-demo?
[01:20] <erisco> but anyhow
[01:20] <Madpilot> got to go - good luck with Apache, erisco!
[01:20] <erisco> thanks! for the help and all
[01:20] <Geist|Patrick> crimsun: ok
[01:20] <Seveas> I can explain it to you tomorrow (i'm going to sleep now) or you'll have to ask someone else :)
[01:20] <JaZYLNX> is there a better walk through for the bootload cuz i'm using yaboot
[01:20] <Geist|Patrick> i am a linux noob
[01:20] <Geist|Patrick> i tried to read the ntfs mediums
[01:20] <PrimoTurbo> I passed it and don't need it anymore, how do I remove the demo for doom3?
[01:21] <erisco> i am thinking .tk will tell me how to do this?
[01:21] <Seveas> Geist|Patrick: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[01:21] <erisco> let me check
[01:21] <Geist|Patrick> i looked google to find a solution
[01:21] <sproingie> Seveas: thanks for the help.  don't think i'd have figured it out otherwise :)
[01:21] <Seveas> erisco, not completely :)
[01:21] <Geist|Patrick> i found captive
[01:21] <Geist|Patrick> i tried to install it, but it failed
[01:21] <Seveas> erisco, do you have a fixed IP address?
[01:21] <crimsun> Geist|Patrick: please see the URL that Seveas pasted. It makes everything simple.
[01:21] <Geist|Patrick> i removed captives' viles
[01:21] <Geist|Patrick> files
[01:21] <prima> do u know software gyach ?
[01:21] <concept10> Geist|Patrick, captive - what?
[01:21] <charles> crimsun: no change, sound still comes out mostly garbled and at a higher pitch
[01:22] <PrimoTurbo> Does anyone know how I can remove the doom3 demo from my ubuntu system?
[01:22] <crimsun> charles: ok, are you using esound?
[01:22] <erisco> yes i have a static
[01:22] <PrimoTurbo> I have no idea how to uninstall or remove something that I installed without apt-get
[01:22] <erisco> .tk is asking for my site's url
[01:22] <Geist|Patrick> now i tried to resotre the fstab
[01:22] <erisco> so obviously that is my server's ip?
[01:22] <robertj> what's the closest equivalent to cloneCD available? I've got some games that I want to take with me on the road but don't want to worry about getting my disks b0rk
[01:22] <Seveas> erisco, try that
[01:22] <toad3030> how do you enable 3D Acceleration?
[01:22] <Geist|Patrick> but i dont know what i can change there savely
[01:22] <Seveas> it might work
[01:22] <erisco> okay
[01:22] <Geist|Patrick> restore
[01:22] <charles> crimsun: I don't believe so, alsa is selected in the multimedia selector
[01:22] <JaZYLNX> n3b robertj
[01:23] <robertj> JaZLNX: err k3b you mean ;)
[01:23] <JaZYLNX> yeah
[01:23] <JaZYLNX> k3b
[01:23] <Seveas> Geist|Patrick, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/855 was your fstab, right?
[01:23] <robertj> any gnome utils?
[01:23] <crimsun> charles: ok, please go to System> Preferences> Multimedia Systems Selector> Default Sink
[01:23] <Geist|Patrick> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/851 <-- thats it
[01:23] <Geist|Patrick> some other guys in another rooms already tried to help me
[01:23] <PrimoTurbo> Can someone please tell me how to remove the doom3 demo
[01:23] <Geist|Patrick> but they were not sue about that
[01:24] <Seveas> Geist|Patrick, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/856
[01:24] <Seveas> change it to that
[01:24] <Seveas> and run the script i gave
[01:24] <robertj> or JaZY: how does that differ from a normal disk copy with dd
[01:24] <Geist|Patrick> ok.. how do i run the script?
[01:24] <Seveas> sudo bash winmac_fstab
[01:24] <Geist|Patrick> ah... i see
[01:24] <charles> crimsun: there is no default, only ESD, Alsa, Oss, autodetect and custom
[01:25] <Geist|Patrick> i copy it to /bash i guess
[01:25] <tdmgy> hey guys, I'm trying to install Wine on my 64bit system, can someone please help me out?
[01:25] <crimsun> charles: the Output should be "Custom", and the Pipeline should be "alsasink device=plughw:0,0"
[01:25] <erisco> shoot, someone already has that ip address
[01:25] <erisco> would apache just have a default one?
[01:25] <Seveas> erisco, what is your ip address?
[01:25] <erisco> well regardless i need to change it!
[01:25] <erisco> 127.0.0.1
[01:26] <Seveas> lol :)
[01:26] <erisco> for my server
[01:26] <Seveas> that's only local :)
[01:26] <Seveas> you have another ip address
[01:26] <erisco> hrmph
[01:26] <erisco> you mean my gateway??
[01:26] <PrimoTurbo> Can someone pls help me (noob here) trying to remove the doom3 demo I go on this computer
[01:26] <Seveas> 127.0.0.1 always points to the pc you are at
[01:26] <charles> crimsun: alright
[01:26] <Seveas> erisco, oh, you are on a shared internet connection?
[01:26] <erisco> you bet ya, about a 10 computer network
[01:26] <Seveas> PrimoTurbo: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.
[01:26] <robertj> Seveas: that's a neat script, winmac_fstab
[01:27] <Belutz> there's no place like 127.0.0.1 :)
[01:27] <charles> crimsun: ok
[01:27] <Seveas> erisco, you will need to forward port 80 in the router to your machine
[01:27] <patrickj> hey I got a problem lol, my cideo card is an Asus Radeon 9200(ATi VPU), what ATi drivers should I use, and where can I get em?
[01:27] <erisco> lelutz, lol
[01:27] <Seveas> otherwise it will not work
[01:27] <erisco> belutz, lol
[01:27] <PrimoTurbo> Seveas: Sorry about that but I'm a presistent noob.
[01:27] <mjr> patrickj, you can probably get along with the default free drivers
[01:27] <robertj> Seveas: any reason it doesn't look for fat16 as well?
[01:27] <PrimoTurbo> I wont repeat it again
[01:27] <erisco> the router of my machine? or just our router?
[01:27] <Seveas> robertj, why would it?
[01:27] <robertj> (not that I know anyone who uses it but, is there any reason not to?)
[01:27] <patrickj> mjr: the ones already installed?
[01:27] <crimsun> patrickj: please follow the directions on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto if you want hardware-accelerated 3D
[01:27] <PrimoTurbo> persistent*
[01:27] <Seveas> erisco, the router that is sharing the connection :)
[01:28] <erisco> okay so i am calling that our router =)
[01:28] <cs378> has anyone here used airsnort?
[01:28] <Trixsey> I'm having a problem in Ubuntu! I cant access root! (Even though I have correct password, always worked untill today!)
[01:28] <Seveas> robertj, no one really uses it anymore
[01:28] <JaZYLNX> ya and kismet
[01:28] <erisco> okay okay, well for that the firewall is still malfunctioning
[01:28] <robertj> Seveas: I know, but would it cause any problems?
[01:28] <mjr> parabolize, yes; it supports 3d acceleration for <=9250. If you wish, you can experiment with the fglrx driver, see crimsun's url.
[01:28] <erisco> should be up today though
[01:28] <Seveas> Trixsey, how are you trying to 'access root'
[01:28] <erisco> then the router should be friendly again
[01:28] <Seveas> robertj, no, I just was too lazy to copy in lines for fat16 :)
[01:28] <erisco> but i will see if i can bypass that
[01:28] <Trixsey> Seveas,  root terminal
[01:28] <cs378> how do we check to see if we have 3d acceleration support?
[01:28] <Trixsey> And I cant update stuff through update manager either
[01:29] <erisco> now when i forward it, does it make sense if i ask where to forward it to?
[01:29] <cs378> fglrxinfo?
[01:29] <Trixsey> Says "Child terminated with 1 status"
[01:29] <Seveas> Trixsey, open a normal terminal and type: sudo echo hi
[01:29] <Seveas> see what that says
[01:29] <crimsun> cs378: glxinfo|grep direct
[01:29] <cs378> crimsun, ok thx checkin now
[01:29] <Trixsey> trixsey@Trixsey:~$ sudo echo hi
[01:29] <Trixsey> sudo: must be setuid root
[01:29] <Seveas> erisco, it will need to forward it to your machine
[01:29] <robertj> Seveas: its really neat, but I sure hope something better comes along
[01:29] <erisco> to my local ip?
[01:29] <charles> crimsun: something got messed up after that change, it seems the sound is locked now even after restarting alsa. I think i'm going to just restart
[01:29] <erisco> okay cool
[01:29] <Seveas> Trixsey, you must have done something REALLY weird
[01:29] <erisco> i can do that easy
[01:29] <patrickj> lol I tried cat /proc/pci and it said it didnt exist, and in there it says your card has to be 9500 or up :/
[01:29] <Seveas> robertj, for breezy there will be a gui :)
[01:29] <tdmgy> anyone out there who can help me compile Wine on my 64bit machine within the 32bit achitecture? I have no clue where to start :(
[01:30] <cs378> direct rendering: Yes
[01:30] <cs378> wo0h0o0
[01:30] <PrimoTurbo> How do I change the gnome foot near the Applications into the ubuntu logo?
[01:30] <erisco> so then i put in .tk my gateway ip for my server's location?
[01:30] <Geist|Patrick> is it possible to write ntfs with kernel 2.6?
[01:30] <erisco> i mean my websites location?
[01:30] <Seveas> PrimoTurbo, not :)
[01:30] <crispynix-v6> tdmgy: look into cross-compiling with gcc
[01:30] <dTk> hi. help me pls. what's the name of the jre package under ubuntu hoary?
[01:30] <Seveas> Geist|Patrick, no
[01:30] <crimsun> Geist|Patrick: not natively
[01:30] <Geist|Patrick> Seveas: ur script worked
[01:30] <robertj> Seveas: what determines whether something gets automounted or not?
[01:30] <parabolize> mjr, what?
[01:30] <Seveas> robertj, /etc/fstab
[01:30] <Amaranth> patrickj: With a Radeon 9200 you should already have 3D acceleration, no extra drivers needed.
[01:30] <Geist|Patrick> well why is ur script saying followiing?
[01:30] <Seveas> robertj, and for removable devices: hal+hotplug
[01:30] <PrimoTurbo> not what?
[01:30] <Geist|Patrick> patrick@agamemnon:~$ sudo bash '/home/patrick/Desktop/winmac_fstab.txt'
[01:30] <Geist|Patrick> Password:
[01:30] <Geist|Patrick> By default the disks will be writable only by root and
[01:30] <Geist|Patrick> Patrick Kayser (patrick)
[01:30] <Geist|Patrick> Do you want to make the disk writable by all users instead? (y/n)
[01:30] <Geist|Patrick> n
[01:30] <patrickj> Amarant: okay ;lol
[01:30] <robertj> Seveas: I meant, why do internal drives not get hotplugged?
[01:30] <Geist|Patrick> NTFS drives will be mounted read-only!
[01:30] <Geist|Patrick> All windows and mac partitions will now be mounted every time you boot
[01:30] <Geist|Patrick> You do not need to reboot, the partitions are mounted now too
[01:31] <Geist|Patrick> patrick@agamemnon:~$
[01:31] <patrickj> hmmm
[01:31] <Trixsey> Seveas,  I didnt do anything... it worked when I went to bed.. now I tried and it didnt work! :-( Though I was real drunk yesterday =/
[01:31] <Seveas> Geist|Patrick, DO NOT paste in here!
[01:31] <ryanpg> I read the topic... but... are there breezy live cds for x86 around just to try?  I only find amd64 torrents and ISOs
[01:31] <cafuego> Geist|Patrick: Thank you for not pasting.
[01:31] <patrickj> how can I resize my main partition?
[01:31] <crimsun> dTk: please download a JRE from Sun/IBM/Blackdown, then install the 'java-package' deb from universe. Use the program 'make-jpkg' to create a deb from the JRE tarball you downloaded.
[01:31] <Seveas> robertj, because that only works for real hotpluggable devices
[01:31] <erisco> okay well at least i am not the only one pasting
[01:31] <dTk> ok thanks
[01:31] <Geist|Patrick> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/857
[01:31] <Geist|Patrick> sry, i forgot
[01:32] <Seveas> Geist|Patrick, that is expected output :)
[01:32] <crimsun> dTk: sorry, 'java-package' is in multiverse, not universe.
[01:32] <erisco> seveas, so when i forward port 80, in .tk, i put i my gateway's ip as the location of my website?
[01:32] <Seveas> your drives sre now mounted in /media
[01:32] <robertj> how does it know if a SATA drives is internal/external?
[01:32] <Geist|Patrick> ok... reboot
[01:32] <Seveas> erisco, yes, you can simply use brisco.kent.net
[01:32] <Ultralisk> hi there :)
[01:32] <Seveas> (that is your hostname as your IRC client sends it)
[01:32] <erisco> um..... how did you know that?
[01:32] <Trixsey> Seveas,  so what do I do? Is there any salvation in sight for me? :-(
[01:33] <Seveas> Geist|Patrick, read carefully
[01:33] <Seveas> Geist|Patrick, you do NOT need to reboot
[01:33] <erisco> anywho
[01:33] <erisco> .....
[01:33] <Amaranth> erisco: http://216.8.167.140 should also work
[01:33] <dTk> ok, np
[01:33] <erisco> amaranth, why would that work?
[01:33] <erisco> what is that the ip to?
[01:34] <patrickj> how can I install apache, Mysql, php and stuff like that in ubuntu?
[01:34] <Seveas> Trixsey, if sudo is no longer setuid root, you must have done chown on lots of things you shouldn't
[01:34] <Amaranth> erisco: That's the IP to your router.
[01:34] <patrickj> and I will prolly need a graphical manager for them all lol
[01:34] <patrickj> graphical part not too important
[01:34] <erisco> gee, am i completely exposing myself over this chat?
[01:34] <Seveas> patrickj, sudo aptitude install libapache2-mod-php4 php4-mysql mysql-server
[01:34] <patrickj> but is there a server package for ubuntu?
[01:34] <erisco> maybe this isn't safe at all
[01:34] <Seveas> patrickj, and download phpmyadmin for mysql administration :)
[01:34] <linlin> type "server" on bootup of the install cd
[01:34] <patrickj> Seveas: dont have aptitude on yet, shhould I ge tit?
[01:34] <Amaranth> erisco: You're completely exposing yourself going to a website.
[01:34] <knowledge_> where can I find out how to switch my sound card from using ESD to Alsa?
[01:34] <erisco> oh shut up i know that =p
[01:34] <Belutz> Seveas: you forgot the apache itself ?
[01:34] <MacUsr> Hello. I am having trouble installing Ubuntu
[01:35] <Seveas> Belutz, that'll be dragged in as a dependency :)
[01:35] <cafuego> knowledge_: hint: esd is using alsa too
[01:35] <knowledge_> mac what's the problem
[01:35] <Belutz> Seveas: ic, :)
[01:35] <erisco> too bad you don't know the user or pass
[01:35] <erisco>  lol =p
[01:35] <erisco> anyhow
[01:35] <Amaranth> erisco: The only port open on your machine is port 80 anyway.
[01:35] <erisco> can i have a solid answer, can i put in my gateway's ip?
[01:35] <knowledge_> cafuego, I see, that's odd because when I try to switch it using that multimedia selector, it doesn't let me test output. And my audio program isn't working right
[01:35] <erisco> yes i know that too
[01:35] <Amaranth> erisco: I don't understand the question.
[01:36] <erisco> hnce my server
[01:36] <Seveas> erisco, yes you can :)
[01:36] <erisco> okay okay thanks!!!
[01:36] <erisco> i can actually carry things on now
[01:36] <MacUsr> I downloaded the install ISO and burned it on a CD. I have an external HD. I want to install Ubuntu on the external HD.
[01:36] <crimsun> charles: any luck?
[01:36] <Seveas> Amaranth, part of a longer discussion regarding hostnames :)
[01:36] <cafuego> knowledge_: Are any snd-* kernel modules loaded? Thsoe are alsa ones.
[01:36] <erisco> thanks amaranth for your help
[01:36] <robertj> Seveas: did you see my question about differnetiating between internal/external SATA?
[01:36] <knowledge_> lsmod | grep alsa?
[01:36] <Seveas> robertj, nope
[01:36] <erisco> and seveas, you are truly a great person. Helping everyone like this
[01:36] <erisco> miricale maker
[01:36] <Seveas> robertj, repeat it please
[01:36] <erisco> c ya
[01:36] <patrickj> Seveas: what about server administration?
[01:37] <Seveas> patrickj, define 'server administration'
[01:37] <robertj> Seveas: basically, does it even know if an external SATA drive is SATA or just that it is USB mass storage. If you set it up to automount as your root, pull it from the enclosure and put it inside, will it still automount
[01:37] <charles> crimsun: different... the initial bongos and startup sound worked (i'm not even sure whether or not that was working earlier)
[01:37] <robertj> (asuming its doesn't contain /boot or MBR of course)
[01:37] <MacUsr> I downloaded the install ISO (not live CD) and burned it on a CD. I have an external HD. I want to install Ubuntu on the external HD.
[01:38] <Belutz> patrickj: you could install webmin i guess
[01:38] <crimsun> charles: what are your settings in System> Preferences> Multimedia Systems Selector> Default Sink?
[01:38] <JaZYLNX> shouldn't be a problem if your machine boots form it..
[01:38] <patrickj> Belutz: umm...
[01:38] <JaZYLNX> from*
[01:38] <Slipaway172> i just bought a lcd monitor and it is rated for 75hz and ubuntu will ONLY allow 60hz? either how can i change it to 75hz or will it damage a monitor?
[01:38] <patrickj> also where is all my apache stuff located, like htdocs etc.
[01:38] <Trixsey> Seveas,  think I should re-install? =///
[01:38] <grogoreo> hi
[01:38] <Seveas> robertj, pmount checks the /proc/ fs to see whether a drive is removable. see man pmount for the details
[01:38] <Belutz> patrickj: you could do that using webmin
[01:38] <grogoreo> can you run jack and also at the same time?
[01:38] <grogoreo> &alsa
[01:39] <grogoreo> *alsa
[01:39] <chicagotech> i thought webmin didn't work with ubuntu because of the root thing?
[01:39] <crimsun> grogoreo: alsa's already running. You need to stop esd if you want to use jackd.
[01:39] <Seveas> and aoutomaount as in fstab works by drive designation. change cable layout and you might f*ck it up
[01:39] <charles> crimsun: I just change it to: alsasink device=plughw:0,0
[01:39] <ryanpg> grogoreo, jack and alsa are different things... jack uses alsa as a backend
[01:39] <Seveas> aoutomaount....
[01:39] <charles> is there a particular program I should be using to test this?
[01:39] <patrickj> Belutz: is it a GUI program?
[01:39] <crimsun> charles: there's a Test button
[01:40] <ryanpg> I find that http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/daily-live/current/ is populated with torrents for amd64 only... is there ar reason for that?
[01:40] <JaZYLNX> MacUsr,  i was talking with you.. if your machine will boot off of the extern you shouldn't have a problem
[01:40] <Belutz> patrickj: it's a web based application
[01:40] <grogoreo> if i were to stop esd and use jackd, would this affect any of my other apps like Totem, VLC etc
[01:40] <charles> it seems like .wav's are working in beep-media player now (with alsa sink or the sink you sent me)
[01:40] <patrickj> and how can I access webmin?
[01:40] <ryanpg> grogoreo, jackd is not a replacement for esd
[01:40] <Seveas> ryanpg, the torrent tracker usually doesn't work :)
[01:40] <Belutz> patrickj: webmin = web administration
[01:40] <MacUsr> I am not saire how to boot off the externa;
[01:40] <JaZYLNX> install it.. then use your ip.. in webbrowser
[01:40] <charles> that says "failed to contruct pipeline for 'Custom' "
[01:40] <cafuego> and/or roothole-o-rama
[01:40] <patrickj> Belutz: okay, where can I access it?
[01:40] <crimsun> grogoreo: depends how those programs are configured. There's no working jack plugin for gstreamer yet.
[01:40] <Seveas> cafuego, :)
[01:40] <ryanpg> Seveas, heh... well do you know where a breezy x86 torrent is? with the gnew gnome of corse :)
[01:40] <cafuego> patrickj: Did you install it? Check its docs.
[01:40] <Belutz> patrickj: you can control mysql server, apacher server, even samba server from there
[01:41] <robertj> Seveas: will express mount those drives by default?
[01:41] <crimsun> charles: lsof /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp*
[01:41] <Seveas> ryanpg, breezy will not install with GUI at the moment...
[01:41] <cafuego> ryanpg: Breezy is broken. Don't install it (it will fail).
[01:41] <Seveas> robertj, 'express'?
[01:41] <robertj> Ubuntu Express
[01:41] <JaZYLNX> breezy ? new ubuntu
[01:41] <ryanpg> cafuego, ty... of course I'm looking for a live cd so no worries about installing
[01:41] <Belutz> patrickj: use synaptyc and search for webmin
[01:41] <majic> is there any tricks to get pbuilder to create the chroot env? I keep getting errors that tell me to add my cdrom using apt-cdrom and I've done that and pbuilder refuses to build the chroot env.
[01:41] <Seveas> I don't know a lot (practically nothing) about that project....
[01:41] <patrickj> Belutz: already installed ti
[01:42] <grogoreo> crimsun, you say stop esd, and ryanpg, you say jackd is not a replacement for esd, so if i were to stop esd and use jackd would I only be able to use jack programs like aurdour
[01:42] <ryanpg> jackd btw, will never be a general sound server daemon... not if the developers have anything to say abou it
[01:42] <charles> esd, esd, mixer-app and beep
[01:42] <cafuego> ryanpg: I suggest you go with one that works (ie: Hoary)
[01:42] <ryanpg> cafuego, eh... I'm just interested in playing with gnome 2.11.90
[01:42] <desrt> the topic needs to go back to saying "don't install breezy"
[01:42] <crimsun> grogoreo: correct.
[01:42] <Geist|Patrick> ah thx guys
[01:42] <Seveas> cafuego, but gnome 2.12 is sooo making me want to switch :)
[01:42] <Geist|Patrick> the mounting worx now :)
[01:42] <cafuego> ryanpg: Which part of "does not work" is unclear?
[01:42] <r0bby> mmmm could breezy be to blame for the ntfs failure?
[01:42] <grogoreo> ok thanks guys
[01:42] <MacUsr> ***JAXyLNX*** I am not sure how to boot off the external
[01:42] <ryanpg> grogoreo, yes and you should not try this
[01:42] <charles> it says "do not use breezy yet"
[01:42] <desrt> Seveas; gnome 2.12 has nothing new
[01:43] <Belutz> patrickj: use your browser and point to http://localhost:10000/ if i'm not mistaken
[01:43] <crimsun> grogoreo: not many applications have jack plugins
[01:43] <grogoreo> ryanpg, but if i were to have a separete install for this, it will be ok
[01:43] <crimsun> (compared with esd/oss)
[01:43] <Seveas> desrt, it has :)
[01:43] <r0bby> I was using gentoo lol
[01:43] <desrt> Seveas; nothing important :)
[01:43] <charles> crimsun: should I kill those apps? or should i leave ESD running?
[01:43] <r0bby> of course my gentoo install was borked
[01:43] <crimsun> charles: oh, esd is running?
[01:43] <ryanpg> cafuego, no part is unclear... I'm explaining my motivation
[01:43] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: yes, but they have residual pain issues; ie they need pain
[01:43] <cafuego> "it doesn't matter if it  segdaults twice a minute, it has a higher version number!"
[01:44] <HrdwrBoB> so they compile stuff they don't need :)
[01:44] <Seveas> desrt, gtk+2.8
[01:44] <charles> crimsun: yeah
[01:44] <crimsun> charles: go to System> Preferences> Sound and uncheck the Enable sound server startup
[01:44] <ryanpg> grogoreo, you can install jackd and have esd too no problem
[01:44] <Seveas> desrt, better clipoard
[01:44] <Slipaway172> ive also been noticing many gentoo users do the big switch
[01:44] <Belutz> Seveas: btw, how's your weekend?
[01:44] <ryanpg> grogoreo, but you have to stop esd to use jackd
[01:44] <Seveas> desrt, more nautilus niceness :)
[01:44] <cafuego> ryanpg: If you promise you can fix any problemsw ithout asking for help here, you're allowed to try breezy.
[01:44] <desrt> Seveas; heh
[01:44] <charles> crimsun: done...
[01:44] <robertj> Seveas: Autodetecting NTFS disks is definately useful, OS X sucks at it and its a pain
[01:44] <Seveas> desrt, http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-12/
[01:44] <crimsun> charles: now repeat that lsof command
[01:44] <ryanpg> cafuego, I haven't a clue what you're talking about
[01:44] <desrt> Seveas; i know.  i helped write that document :P
[01:44] <grogoreo> ryanpg, right so i could just have another user and when that user logs on esd could stop and jackd start
[01:45] <crimsun> charles: esd shouldn't appear in the output
[01:45] <Seveas> robertj, as of breezy / gnome 2.12 aotudetection will happen :)
[01:45] <cafuego> ryanpg: Then don't use Breezy.
[01:45] <patrickj> it says the connection was refused :/
[01:45] <ryanpg> cafuego, I'm not using Breezy! relax!
[01:45] <robertj> Seveas: so if I do a fresh install Windows will be readable?
[01:45] <charles> crimsun: nothing is using it now... the 'test' works with a solid tone
[01:45] <Seveas> robertj, from breezy on: yes
[01:45] <ryanpg> grogoreo, you probably want to use qjackctl to start jackd
[01:46] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: with -O5?
[01:46] <ryanpg> grogoreo, jackd should not be "always on"
[01:46] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: as a bare minimum!
[01:46] <patrickj> ah n/m it dont matter that much :d
[01:46] <crimsun> charles: great. Now try the audio app you were using before
[01:46] <ma3x_> does ubuntu work with .deb packages or .rpm ?
[01:46] <crimsun> ma3x_: .deb
[01:46] <grogoreo> ryanpg, qjackctl the GUI frontend? will this stop esd for me?
[01:46] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: Ie been contemplating haxoring the main gentoo site and slipping a -pedantic in the default compile flags.
[01:47] <robertj> Seveas: cool, any captivefs integration?
[01:47] <patrickj> is there a way to get .rpm's to work?
[01:47] <crimsun> ma3x_: you can use 'alien' for .rpm, but you should stick with native Ubuntu packages if possible.
[01:47] <ma3x_> how do i know if i want to install ubuntu or kubuntu?
[01:47] <Seveas> robertj, not in ten years
[01:47] <Seveas> robertj, captive is too outdated
[01:47] <DeltaF> Wow. ma3x_ that was the exact question I had.
[01:47] <charles> crimsun: xmms works with the OSS plugin, but not alsa. rhythmbox still has corrupt output
[01:47] <mjr> ma3x_, essentially you don't, if you don't :)
[01:47] <cafuego> ma3x_: Theye the same thing. just pick one.
[01:47] <crimsun> ma3x_: Ubuntu comes with GNOME by default; Kubuntu comes with KDE by default.
[01:47] <ryanpg> grogoreo, you can tell it to stop esd... it provides a "execute script on startup" option that could stop esd
[01:47] <cafuego> ma3x_: if you install Ubuntu and want KDE, just add KDE.
[01:47] <robertj> is actually fixing and testing NTFS an option?
[01:48] <windex> ma3x_: do you want Gnome (Ubuntu) or KDE (Kubuntu)? They do the same thing, in diffrent ways, with diffrent licences, and diffrent philosophies.
[01:48] <grogoreo> ryanpg, great thanks for your hlep
[01:48] <Seveas> ma3x_, install ubuntu if you want a clean interface that just works, install kubuntu if you want the ability to configure every pixel and byte
[01:48] <grogoreo> *help
[01:48] <ryanpg> grogoreo, no problem
[01:48] <hybrid_goth> ma3x_:  do you like OSX or windows GUI
[01:48] <crimsun> charles: try this: in the XMMS output plugin's configuration, change the device from "default" to "plughw:0,0"
[01:48] <Seveas> robertj, ntfs is proprietary
[01:48] <ryanpg> grogoreo, just don't try to run jackd all the time ok?  it will make you unhappy :P
[01:48] <DeltaF> windex: Are there any articles specifying differences like that?
[01:48] <ma3x_> does ubuntu support my graphic card (ati radeon igp 340M ) ?
[01:48] <robertj> Seveas: so is win32
[01:48] <crimsun> charles: (that's the ALSA output's config, btw)
[01:48] <cafuego> ma3x_: Yes.
[01:48] <patrickj> is there any way to resize my partition safely and make a new partition?
[01:48] <ma3x_> hybrid_goth i do like it , and kde as well
[01:48] <patrickj> for gentoo installation
[01:48] <Seveas> robertj, yes, but the fat32 specification for instance is open
[01:48] <windex> DeltaF: i'm sure google has _tons_ of flamewars between gnome and kde people archived.
[01:48] <ma3x_> cafuego are you %100 sure?
[01:49] <cafuego> ma3x_: You *may* not get hwardware 3D, but 2D will work fine.
[01:49] <DeltaF> I just keep hearing so much about KDE. I don't want to be left behind...
[01:49] <Seveas> so drivers can be written for it
[01:49] <Seveas> that's not the case for ntfs
[01:49] <grogoreo> ryanpg, im about to use APT now to get jack. I'm presuming it will automatically start it all the time so where can I tell it not to?
[01:49] <desrt> Seveas; ah cool.  i see it made it to slashdot :)
[01:49] <ma3x_> if i install i install only for 3d
[01:49] <robertj> Seveas: oh, I thought it had just been reverse engineered
[01:49] <DeltaF> ma3x_: I'm not looking for a flamewar - I'm looking for a level-headed comparison and evaluation. :)
[01:49] <Trixsey> Whats the name of the newest windows? (Not XP, the one under construction)
[01:49] <DeltaF> er windex ^^^
[01:49] <robertj> tix: Vista
[01:49] <DonL> ma3x_: I had Ubuntu and just installed Kubuntu as well. I can now boot into whichever one I want
[01:49] <DeltaF> Trixsey: Vista
[01:49] <ma3x_> hi DeltaF
[01:49] <Seveas> robertj, the 'ntfs' driver has
[01:49] <Trixsey> DeltaF,  Windows Vista?
[01:49] <DeltaF> yes
[01:49] <cafuego> ma3x_: Try the livecd and see if 3d works (the performance wo't be particularly good at any rate)
[01:49] <Seveas> the 'captive-ntfs' uses the actual windows drivers (ntfs.sys and such)
[01:49] <DonL> I should say Log into whichever one I want
[01:50] <Trixsey> oh they renamed it from Longhorn to Vista o_O
[01:50] <Seveas> so captive is also legally debatable
[01:50] <DeltaF> Longhorn was the "codename"
[01:50] <windex> DeltaF: when talking about "Gnome vs KDE" you will never get anything that does not result in a flamewar imho. :)
[01:50] <ma3x_> is the livecd ubuntu or kubuntu
[01:50] <patrickj> Tixsecy: yes, Longhorn was the buile codename
[01:50] <cafuego> ma3x_: yes
[01:50] <DeltaF> Vista is the official name.
[01:50] <crimsun> ma3x_: there are live cds for both
[01:50] <ryanpg> grogoreo, no it will not start it
[01:50] <robertj> Seveas: yeah, but if you can find that dll on a local partition, I would think you could use it, regardless of what the EULA says
[01:50] <ryanpg> grogoreo, you have to use the command line or qjackctl
[01:50] <Seveas> DeltaF, Vista is a spelling error, they should have named it Visa since it probably costs a lot aagain :)
[01:50] <ma3x_> ok i will download and boot from the livecd
[01:51] <DeltaF> Is kubuntu related in staff, or just basic philosophy..
[01:51] <ma3x_> how do i test the 3d acceleration afterwards?
[01:51] <Seveas> robertj, that's still under investigation and will probably never be really clear :)
[01:51] <DeltaF> And, how difficult is it to replace gnome with kde?
[01:51] <CarlFK> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/x11/gtranscode -  "transcode Pakage not available" - um, what is the point of a front end to something that isn't there?
[01:51] <grogoreo> ryanpg, ok thanks again. I've just found out that i've allready had it installed so theres so problems anyway
[01:51] <charles> crimsun: alright that worked as well... you are the audio expert, thanks so much. I can probably figure this one out (or not really worry about it...) would you know why rhythmbox would sound incorrect still?
[01:51] <Seveas> DeltaF, it takes 1 command
[01:51] <cafuego> Seveas: I heard they want people to upgrade and will keep it cheapish. US$599 for an upgrade. ;-)
[01:51] <Seveas> DeltaF, you can even have both installed at the same time
[01:51] <Seveas> lol@cafuego :)
[01:51] <patrickj> is there any way to resize my partition safely and make a new partition?
[01:51] <Trixsey> DeltaF,  why have a "codename"? So geeky :p
[01:52] <Geist|Patrick> weired
[01:52] <robertj> Seveas: is OS X write support based off of the same driver that Linux's is?
[01:52] <DeltaF> And what's the deal with x.org and the "other one"? I heard it's being replaced in Debian
[01:52] <ma3x_> how can i test the graphic 3D after booting from the live cd?
[01:52] <mjr> patrickj, "safely" is debatable, but (g)parted
[01:52] <Geist|Patrick> konquerer doesnt open some folders
[01:52] <mjr> patrickj, always recommend backups before doing such operations
[01:52] <Seveas> robertj, no idea
[01:52] <Belutz> how do i make my thunderbird give notices if i have new mail like thunderbird in windows?
[01:52] <DeltaF> ma3x_: You should be able to check the settings for it.
[01:52] <CarlFK> or more to the point: how do I install tcprobe (part of the transcode package)
[01:52] <Geist|Patrick> the content of one is displayed, another ones not
[01:52] <patrickj> Trixsexy: because micrsoft cant think of their ow name so they waited for something to steal to popup
[01:52] <crimsun> charles: hmm, rhythmbox uses the gstreamer sink configuration, so it _should_ work
[01:52] <Geist|Patrick> it even doenst open it
[01:52] <ryanpg> grogoreo, you could pop over to #lad for more jackd specific help btw
[01:52] <Geist|Patrick> any idea what may be wrong?
[01:52] <cafuego> ma3x_: Start the CD, run 'glxinfo' and see whether you have opengl support.
[01:52] <Seveas> Geist|Patrick, which folder?
[01:53] <DeltaF> Vista is such an over-used name. Not only do they deserve the following law suits, but they also deserve not being findable in google. :P
[01:53] <grogoreo> ryanpg, thanks again. I'm off now
[01:53] <ma3x_> ok cafuego. question no2.: where do i find packages for ubuntu?
[01:53] <ma3x_> on debian.org?
[01:53] <Seveas> ma3x_, in synaptic
[01:53] <DeltaF> XP = Extreme programming.. Vista = Buena Vista? A spanish word.. etc.. :)
[01:53] <cafuego> ma3x_: No.
[01:53] <windex> ma3x_: ubuntu uses apt/aptitude
[01:53] <Seveas> ma3x_, system -> admin -> synaptic (in the menu)
[01:53] <cafuego> ma3x_: Do _not_ use debian pckages on ubuntu.
[01:53] <charles> crimsun: it sounds choppy on .ogg and .mp3 files but works okay with .wav's... mpd doesn't play a thing either. I suppose I could probably look these up online though
[01:53] <erisco> i am back for a minute
[01:53] <hybrid_goth> vista is latin
[01:53] <ma3x_> yes, but what's the web where you can browse for packages?
[01:53] <erisco> i deleted everything out of var/www
[01:53] <Geist|Patrick> random ones with animestuff
[01:54] <Seveas> ma3x_, packages.ubuntu.com
[01:54] <erisco> and put in a index.html page
[01:54] <Geist|Patrick> the content of some is displayed
[01:54] <ryanpg> crimsun, did you have him try alsasink device=hw:0,0 instead of plughw
[01:54] <erisco> but io can only see the page from my computer
[01:54] <Geist|Patrick> others dont open
[01:54] <cafuego> ma3x_: packages.ubuntu.com (also '/msg ubotu find <package>'
[01:54] <erisco> not any other computer on my network
[01:54] <erisco> what happened?
[01:54] <ma3x_> ok, so ubuntu is not listed on most of the software pages
[01:54] <patrickj> how can I use gparted to resize a partition in use?!
[01:54] <DeltaF> So, not like you all are biased, but do you think ubuntu is a suitable fileserver platform?
[01:54] <erisco> i fear i deleted something important
[01:54] <Seveas> erisco, put the output of: sudo netstat -tlnp
[01:54] <Seveas> on the pastebin
[01:54] <ma3x_> when i want to download a package, what format should it be, rpm or deb?
[01:54] <DeltaF> i.e. not desktop
[01:54] <crimsun> ryanpg: plughw is preferable to hw
[01:54] <Seveas> ma3x_, deb
[01:54] <cafuego> ma3x_: You use 'apt-get' to install stuff.
[01:55] <ryanpg> crimsun, why?
[01:55] <DeltaF> But not a debian deb. ;)
[01:55] <Seveas> ma3x_, but there is a *lot* already in the repositories...
[01:55] <crimsun> it's quite rare that hw will use the correct parameters by default
[01:55] <erisco> okay stuff came up
[01:55] <erisco> what exactly did you want from it?
[01:55] <Seveas> erisco, put it on the pastebin
[01:55] <erisco> since i can't paste =0
[01:55] <Seveas> all of it
[01:55] <crimsun> plughw nearly always uses the correct parameters by default
[01:55] <Geist|Patrick> well it looks like following
[01:55] <Geist|Patrick> i click on a folder
[01:55] <ryanpg> crimsun, huh... not in my experience... I never use plughw... guess I'm lucky
[01:55] <erisco> link again? sigh...
[01:55] <Seveas> !paste
[01:55] <ubotu> paste is, like, Please use http://rafb.net/paste/ or #flood to paste large ammounts of text
[01:55] <Seveas> argh
[01:55] <Seveas> paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[01:55] <Geist|Patrick> adressbar changes to the subfolders name, but i remain in the view of one folder higher
[01:55] <ma3x_> ok thanks!
[01:55] <Geist|Patrick> the overview
[01:56] <Geist|Patrick> wtf is going on?
[01:56] <FranDaMan> need help!! error during installaiton
[01:56] <Geist|Patrick> :/
[01:56] <nelsongs> is there a known mediacard drivers now for notebooks?
[01:56] <Seveas> Geist|Patrick, if they are large folders, it can take some time
[01:56] <erisco> what is the link-bin url?
[01:56] <nelsongs> for texas instruments?
[01:56] <erisco> i will bookmark it this time!
[01:56] <Seveas> erisco, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[01:56] <DeltaF> Hey is there a php-based pastebin utility for self-hosted bins??
[01:56] <Seveas> DeltaF, yes
[01:56] <DeltaF> GPL? Link please? :)
[01:56] <DeltaF> or just name..
[01:56] <Seveas> DeltaF, pastebin.com used to be gpl
[01:56] <FranDaMan> can someone help me with installing ubuntu.. i got an error
[01:56] <erisco> sent - have a look
[01:56] <DeltaF> Didn't find a link to source in there, though.
[01:57] <CarlFK> DeltaF - pastebot on sf.net
[01:57] <Seveas> you can get the source for paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[01:57] <unreal> what would be a good smtpd/pop3 to use?
[01:57] <Seveas> (just mail me for it :)
[01:57] <Geist|Patrick> Seveas: i click on the folder's icon but NOTHING happens
[01:57] <ma3x_> but most of the sites offer binaries for debian, suse, mandriva, freebsd, slackware ...
[01:57] <erisco> i could see the temporary page before i deleted everything and put in my own page
[01:57] <Geist|Patrick> no harddisc activiy or something
[01:57] <Seveas> Geist|Patrick, no drive activity too?
[01:57] <Geist|Patrick>  else
[01:57] <CarlFK> DeltaF - check synaptic too - I think pastebot is in there
[01:57] <Seveas> hmm
[01:57] <ma3x_> so if i don't see ubuntu, which of those packages do i download?
[01:57] <ragnarok179> hey i got a really noob question that i can't find an answer too
[01:57] <Seveas> ragnarok179, just ask :)
[01:58] <FranDaMan> hey guys.. i was installing ubuntu and i got an error saying boot something and it stopped it
[01:58] <FranDaMan> its after the step after paritioning
[01:58] <CarlFK> ma3x_ - I think the right way is to dl the source, then make your own .deb for Ubuntu and install that.
[01:58] <erisco> get anything from it seveas?
[01:58] <cafuego> ma3x_: Can you give me an example for such software?
[01:58] <Seveas> erisco, yeah it should work
[01:58] <majic> okay, did apt-cdrom and added my cdrom to apt. Trying to do "pbuilder create --distribution hoary" to set up the chroot env to build packages however pbuilder is still complaining that it cannot find the cdrom. Anyone have this problem? The docs on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto doesn't describe this problem
[01:58] <CarlFK> ma3x_ - and then post your work somwhere so others don't have to ;)
[01:58] <erisco> when i go to 127.0.0.1 from another compit doesn't show anything
[01:59] <Seveas> erisco, LOL
[01:59] <erisco> page cannot be displayed
[01:59] <Seveas> that won't work
[01:59] <unreal> is there an apt-get package of irssi for ubuntu?
[01:59] <Seveas> try your other ip address
[01:59] <cafuego> erisco: 127.0.0.1 is *always* localhost
[01:59] <windex> unreal: uhhh, it installed by default fo rme
[01:59] <Seveas> erisco, paste the output of ifconfig on the pastebin :)
[01:59] <erisco> okay, it workds now
[01:59] <ma3x_> cafuego plain example, most wanted p2p package http://www.amule.org/dl/index.php
[01:59] <Burgundavia> majic, pbuilder questions are probably better asked in #ubuntu-motu
[01:59] <ma3x_> what would you download from there?
[01:59] <erisco> nah that isn't needed
[01:59] <Geist|Patrick> Seveas: any ideas what i should do next?
[01:59] <unreal> windex: I only installed the base packages (server)
[01:59] <erisco> it is okay
[01:59] <bimberi> unreal: irssi-text
[01:59] <unreal> hmm
[01:59] <windex> unreal: then yes, there is one, and it's in base.
[02:00] <ragnarok179> ok i'm trying to install the ati drivers and the command is "sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-<your-kernel-version> xorg-driver-fglrx" but i don't know what to put in for the kernel version
[02:00] <Geist|Patrick> thats annoying.. i only can access 5% of my data
[02:00] <majic> Burgundavia, thanks
[02:00] <cafuego> ma3x_: I wouldn't download that at all <heh> but if you insist, use the debian version.
[02:00] <Geist|Patrick> about 5 percent...
[02:00] <Seveas> Geist|Patrick, try another filebrowser (like firefox file:///)
[02:00] <erisco> i could go to 127.0.0.1 before... i must be mistaken
[02:00] <FranDaMan> how do i install windows and ubuntu so i can dual boot?
[02:00] <kozlyk> does anyone know why a .avi would just come up with choppy audio and no video in totem movie player?
[02:00] <ma3x_> cafuego it was only example
[02:00] <ma3x_> now what most important for me is to connect the laptop to my TV
[02:00] <Seveas> erisco, 127.0.0.1 always points to the very pc you're typing it on
[02:00] <unreal> bimberi: thanks :)
[02:00] <cafuego> ma3x_: First you _always_ check the Ubuntu archives.
[02:00] <erisco> thanks again seveas. huge favour.
[02:00] <ma3x_> is this possible, and if yes with what software?
[02:00] <Seveas> so for you it points to your pc
[02:00] <bimberi> unreal: yw :)
[02:00] <erisco> i will remember that
[02:00] <CarlFK> ma3x_ "aMule sources for the 2.0.3 release."
[02:00] <Seveas> for me it points to mine
[02:00] <kozlyk> to the best of my knowledge i have installed all the right codecs
[02:00] <r0bby> I got dd running grabbing the partition
[02:00] <erisco> so 127.0.0.1=localhost?
[02:00] <Seveas> yes
[02:00] <andy__> frandaman, first install win, then linux, it will dualboot automatic
[02:00] <robertj_> Sevea: for me, it points to my wife's!
[02:00] <FranDaMan> alright
[02:00] <erisco> cool
[02:01] <r0bby> Hopefully some data is salvageable :(
[02:01] <nelsongs> anyone?  is there an available TI driver for medicard reader in ubuntu?
[02:01] <Seveas> erisco, ifconfig will show you another IP too
[02:01] <r0bby> 127.0.0.1= loopback
[02:01] <r0bby> but yes
[02:01] <FranDaMan> but i have a problem with linux installing.. it stops and gives me error
[02:01] <erisco> my other ip?
[02:01] <Seveas> erisco, use that one form other pc's in your net
[02:01] <r0bby> 127.0.0.1 is localhost
[02:01] <robertj_> Seveas: wives are the most intrusive hackers one can have ;)
[02:01] <andy__> what error
[02:01] <erisco> what other ip though?
[02:01] <Seveas> robertj_, :)
[02:01] <cafuego> Hmmmmmmcoffee...
[02:01] <ragnarok179> ok i'm trying to install the ati drivers and the command is "sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-<your-kernel-version> xorg-driver-fglrx" but i don't know what to put in for the kernel version
[02:01] <Seveas> erisco, if you type ifconfig in a terminal you will see it :)
[02:01] <r0bby> you should have another i[
[02:01] <Geist|Patrick> file://hda5/ cant be opened
[02:01] <r0bby> uhm yeh
[02:01] <DeltaF> Is ubuntu suitable for a fileserver?
[02:01] <Burgundavia> ragnarok179, use syanptic, it will do it for you
[02:02] <r0bby> perhaps
[02:02] <Seveas> Geist|Patrick, that won't work
[02:02] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[02:02] <erisco> the bcast?
[02:02] <robertj_> although mine is being a good wifey today and downgrading back to hoary instead of bothering me about --force options with breezy!
[02:02] <Burgundavia> DeltaF, yes
[02:02] <Seveas> try file:///media/hda5
[02:02] <cafuego> DeltaF: Yes...
[02:02] <Seveas> (if that one is mounted via my script)
[02:02] <robertj_> (quite an improvement over what's a file from 2 years ago)
[02:02] <ma3x_> does ubuntu have TVOUT application?
[02:02] <Geist|Patrick> that doesnt work either
[02:02] <ma3x_> or how does this work?
[02:02] <PrimoTurbo> how do I copy a file from one location to another what's the terminal command?
[02:02] <Seveas> ma3x_, yes
[02:02] <DeltaF> Will it do as good of a job as fedora or a more "enterprise-y" distro?
[02:02] <ma3x_> Seveas explain me please!
[02:02] <Seveas> Geist|Patrick, then paste the output of mount (without arguments) on the pastebin
[02:02] <Geist|Patrick> ah sory
[02:02] <robertj_> DeltaF: I think its ok for a file server
[02:02] <erisco> seveas, i really can't see this other ip
[02:03] <robertj_> DeltaF: I use it for my  backup and web server as is
[02:03] <PrimoTurbo> unix command to copy a file?
[02:03] <erisco> but i don't think it really matters anyhow
[02:03] <cafuego> DeltaF: No, it will be far better.
[02:03] <Seveas> ma3x_, it should be in your driver settings (/etc/X11/xorg.conf) and is not easy to setup
[02:03] <theine> ragnarok179, uname -r
[02:03] <Geist|Patrick> thats weired
[02:03] <manu> PrimoTurbo : cp
[02:03] <Seveas> erisco, paste the output of ifconfig -a on the pastebin
[02:03] <Geist|Patrick> it lists the content of those folders
[02:03] <Geist|Patrick> but konqueror cant access it
[02:03] <Seveas> PrimoTurbo, cp
[02:03] <DeltaF> I got a debian web server that I think I'm retiring. :P K6 400 replaced by P4 1.6gh
[02:03] <Iceman-AMD64> dang wish there were more mainstream multiplayer games for linux ...
[02:03] <ma3x_> Seveas if it's not easy, how could i set it up?
[02:03] <Geist|Patrick> i mean opera displays it
[02:03] <PrimoTurbo> thank you guys :)
[02:03] <cafuego> DeltaF: I would honestly stick with Debian.
[02:03] <Seveas> ma3x_, search the wiki
[02:03] <Seveas> there is a tvout howto
[02:03] <erisco> i am very sorry for defying you but i do not wish to do so
[02:03] <cafuego> DeltaF: (I _do_ in fact)
[02:03] <ryanpg> ma3x_, what video card do you have?
[02:04] <ma3x_> Seveas: url of wiki?
[02:04] <Seveas> erisco, why not?
[02:04] <robertj_> DeltaF: I'm running a 10.3 Fileserver right now so I can't really talk ;)
[02:04] <ma3x_> ryanpg ati radeon igp 340 M
[02:04] <kozlyk> anyone have good how-tos on setup of audio and video codecs?
[02:04] <Seveas> ma3x_, wiki.ubuntu.com
[02:04] <DeltaF> Really? Why that over ubuntu?
[02:04] <erisco> you will have to deal with not knowing o0
[02:04] <ryanpg> ma3x_, short answer: no
[02:04] <anders__> day to all
[02:04] <erisco> but anyways it only lists a bcast ip
[02:04] <DeltaF> cafuego: Didn't they make you sign the ubuntu zealot waver?
[02:04] <erisco> as anything other than my ip
[02:04] <robertj_> BTW, OS X has a very nice Directory Services API
[02:04] <Burgundavia> DeltaF, both Ubuntu and Debian are useful as servers
[02:04] <DeltaF> *waiver
[02:04] <ma3x_> ryanpg : no like impossible?
[02:04] <FranDaMan> im getting dbootstrap error during installation.. waht do i do?
[02:04] <Seveas> erisco, without information we cannot help....
[02:04] <cafuego> DeltaF: I'm all for ubuntu on the _desktop_.
[02:04] <anders__> www.xboks.dk is one english
[02:04] <erisco> i know you can't
[02:04] <robertj_> DeltaF: But I think Ubuntu is just as good as Debian for a fileserver at this point
[02:05] <Burgundavia> DeltaF, most of the Ubuntu specific work has been desktop stuff
[02:05] <theine> erisco, very strange that you refuse to paste on pastebin.com...
[02:05] <jazzanova> how do I permanently set dma on for my dvd drive ?
[02:05] <erisco> it isn't strange
[02:05] <ryanpg> ma3x_, like the X driver doesn't have tvout for radeon... the gatos project provides drivers
[02:05] <cafuego> DeltaF: I just find Ubuntu too new to trust my servers to. And Debian works fine, so why change?
[02:05] <Seveas> jazzanova, edit /etc/hdparm.conf
[02:05] <theine> erisco, oh yes
[02:05] <erisco> i know you cannot help without the info
[02:05] <jazzanova> seveas: thanks
[02:05] <Seveas> erisco, it is. we're not asking for things like passwords...
[02:05] <erisco> but you already fixed my problem
[02:05] <DeltaF> I'm also interested in gui/web tools to help admin the box..
[02:05] <robertj_> DeltaF: I'd say if your running Ubuntu servers already, sure go ahead. If your running Debian already, pick Debian, you can always upgrade to Breezy+1 if you need Samba4 stuff or something
[02:05] <DeltaF> Samba4?? Is it out yet?
[02:05] <robertj_> DeltaF: no, but it might be by Breezy+1
[02:05] <ma3x_> ryanpg, i tried the gatos installation, it installed with success, but couldn't initialize the card
[02:05] <erisco> c ya
[02:05] <ryanpg> ma3x_, but installing gatos drivers isn't easy... and even then they don't always work... and the fact that its IGP doesn't help either :P
[02:06] <Geist|Patrick> Seveas: grml... i dont get it
[02:06] <Geist|Patrick> it seems to be konqueror
[02:06] <Geist|Patrick> what the hell is that crap thinking?
[02:06] <ryanpg> ma3x_, there's an app that's no longer maintained... radeontool or something.... it also doesn't work :P
[02:06] <Geist|Patrick> :(
[02:06] <DeltaF> I was contemplating Samba3 (of course) plus openLDAP as a Win Domain Controller
[02:06] <FranDaMan> im getting dbootstrap error during installation.. waht do i do?? anyone?
[02:06] <ma3x_> ryanpg sad to hear that
[02:06] <DeltaF> Though I don't need too much single-signon.
[02:06] <ryanpg> ma3x_, find/file the appropriate bug with Xorg... it can be done... but no one has yet
[02:07] <DeltaF> Too many windows boxes for that..
[02:07] <ma3x_> on kubuntu.org, from where exactly do i download the image file for installation?
[02:07] <robertj_> DeltaF: Any reason not to used a Windows box?
[02:07] <cafuego> DeltaF: The good thing is, they can all run Ubuntu ;-)
[02:07] <DeltaF> To be a domain controller, it needs to be a server build.
[02:07] <jazzanova> what are these IO_support and unmaskirq for hdparm ? do i need them on for a dvd ?
[02:07] <robertj_> DeltaF: oh, is cash an issue?
[02:08] <ma3x_> ah i see it
[02:08] <ma3x_> what means hoary?
[02:08] <DeltaF> I also want to learn about legal, free desktop and server platforms.
[02:08] <robertj_> DeltaF: I'd love to see a step-by-step on what you do
[02:08] <anders__> how can i see dvd on my ubuntu??
[02:08] <ryanpg> anders__, VLC works good imho
[02:08] <jazzanova> anders: read the unofficial ubuntu howto
[02:08] <kemik> !tell anders__ about restrictedformats
[02:08] <DeltaF> robertj_: Cash is partially an issue. I can't justify it for my home network.
[02:09] <DeltaF> Even if it's also my office network (for an office of 1)
[02:09] <robertj_> DeltaF: for a home network SSO is probably more trouble than its worth
[02:09] <anders__> okay how do i download that ??
[02:09] <jazzanova> http://ubuntuguide.org/#dvdplayback
[02:09] <jazzanova> anders: ^^^
[02:09] <Geist|Patrick> nobody there who can help me?
[02:09] <anders__> yep
[02:10] <kemik> anders__:  vlc is at www.videolan.org, add the debian repositories and apt-get videolan
[02:10] <DeltaF> I agree. Perhaps someday (Samba4?) I want to be able to recommend a linux file server.. Perhaps with an Outlook compatible groupware server.
[02:10] <jazzanova> patrick: whats the problem ?
[02:10] <angel12> i am using hoary, and i am trying to repartition a usb disk. When i try it with fdisk, i get a message saying that i will not be able to write partition table, and cfdisk is opening it up as read only
[02:10] <kozlyk> how can you tell what kernel you are running
[02:10] <Geist|Patrick> konqueror
[02:10] <kozlyk> as in a 386 vs a 686
[02:10] <Geist|Patrick> i cant figure out, why it is not opening all my folders
[02:10] <DeltaF> So I'm torn between fedora for "trusted name" and ubuntu for philosophy towards ease of use.
[02:10] <misfit_toy> kozlyk, in a term type "uname -r"
[02:10] <ryanpg> kozlyk, uname -a
[02:10] <robertj_> Deltaf: I'd recommend it now, but not as a low-maintanance SSO soluation for a small number of users
[02:10] <Geist|Patrick> and i just noticed, that i cant access the time zone
[02:10] <jazzanova> angel: working as root ?
[02:10] <Geist|Patrick> configuration
[02:10] <anders__> okay thanks
[02:10] <DeltaF> Anybody see the "ease of use" changes in Gobolinux?
[02:10] <ryanpg> uname -r only tells you kernel version kozlyk
[02:11] <ubuntu_> how do i install aim??
[02:11] <Geist|Patrick> there is request for root pass, but there is no window opening
[02:11] <Jemty> angel12: I don't think you can have more than one partition on a USB key. Might be wrong though
[02:11] <ryanpg> kozlyk, uname -a tells 386/686 etc.
[02:11] <jazzanova> how can i reconfigure, as in the ubuntu install, my time settings ?
[02:11] <DonL> ubuntu, use gaim
[02:11] <DeltaF> I think Gobolinux has a handle on the next step in usability..
[02:11] <ubuntu_> i need to send directories though
[02:11] <kozlyk> thanx
[02:12] <ryanpg> kozlyk, np
[02:12] <ubuntu_> and im havin a hell of a problem gettin my linux to see xp on the network herei n hte house
[02:12] <kozlyk> anyone experienced a green screen in totem...and how did they fix it?
[02:12] <ubuntu_> gotta send like 6 gigs worth of stuff to another pc
[02:12] <Burgundavia> DeltaF, they are the ones who seriously hacked the filesystem?
[02:12] <kozlyk> i get audio
[02:12] <DeltaF> Burgundavia: With an abundance of links, yes. :)
[02:12] <Burgundavia> DeltaF, the key thing to remember is Mac OS X has a standard Unix file system
[02:12] <Geist|Patrick> crap :(
[02:12] <Geist|Patrick> whats worng with my linux
[02:13] <cafuego> Burgundavia: Well, more or less.
[02:13] <Burgundavia> DeltaF, changing the names of folders does nothing, IMHO
[02:13] <DeltaF> I think that Mac's .app structure is a good step in the right direction.
[02:13] <jazzanova> ubuntu: apt-get install gaim maybe ?
[02:13] <ryanpg> DeltaF, I'll agree with you there... it'll never happen on linux though
[02:13] <Jemty> Geist|Patrick: What seems to be the problem ?
[02:13] <DeltaF> Burgundavia: Tell your parent to click on /usr/local/sbin/ or /Programs. :)
[02:13] <Burgundavia> DeltaF, the user should never see the underlying filesystem
[02:13] <Burgundavia> DeltaF, changing the name doesn't fix that bug
[02:14] <DeltaF> Tell your parent that their digital camera pictures are on /dev/sd1
[02:14] <ubuntu_> whats the easiest way to send like6 gigs worth of date to another pcon my network with windows xp installed, and i dnt have a crossove cable
[02:14] <ryanpg> Burgundavia, it would be nice if gnome provided a nautilus spatial menu though
[02:14] <DeltaF> And to copy them to /dev/hda1
[02:14] <Burgundavia> ryanpg, say again?
[02:14] <Burgundavia> DeltaF, no, I tell my parents to plug in the camera and follow the dialogs
[02:14] <ryanpg> Burgundavia, like one of the "places" was Programs
[02:15] <Burgundavia> changing the folder names is still a hack
[02:15] <DeltaF> Copy files from disks is still difficult when the naming system is even less sensible than Windows/DOS
[02:15] <Burgundavia> ryanpg, app folders in Mac OS X are actually horrible to use
[02:15] <Will_> ubuntu_: How are the 2 computers connected?
[02:15] <ryanpg> Burgundavia, eh... I like em... OSX is my favorite DE, followed by gnome
[02:15] <cef> anyone tell me what version the kernel in breezy is currently?
[02:15] <DeltaF> Single icon installs is still the way to go.
[02:15] <Burgundavia> cef, .12
[02:15] <ubuntu_> through a router will
[02:16] <Gatton> OSX just a DE? Yea I know what you meant but it just made me do a double take ;)
[02:16] <DeltaF> Though impossible with the dependency system of linux.
[02:16] <Will_> ubuntu_: Can they both access the internet?
[02:16] <Burgundavia> DeltaF, you can make the system completely usable without breaking the file system
[02:16] <robertj_> GE?
[02:16] <ryanpg> Gatton, well if I'd have said Finder would it have sounded better?
[02:16] <Burgundavia> ala Gobo
[02:16] <robertj_> err DE?
[02:16] <ubuntu_> yup
[02:16] <ryanpg> :P
[02:16] <goldfish> desktop enviornment
[02:16] <robertj_> OS X is an operating system, and if you approach it otherwise you will be in trouble
[02:16] <Seveas> woohoo!! php5 has hit breezy
[02:16] <cef> Burgundavia: 2.6.12 or 2.6.11.12 ? *grin*
[02:16] <Burgundavia> 2.6.12
[02:16] <robertj_> mainly, because of all those _annoying_ resource forks
[02:17] <DeltaF> Burgundavia: Not if a general user EVER has the need to look at the file structure.
[02:17] <cef> Burgundavia: thanks. hrm.. might be time to upgrade soon
[02:17] <DeltaF> Which, unless everyone comes with their own sys-admin, will need to happen occasionally.
[02:17] <patrickj> ello
[02:17] <robertj_> btw, for all you OS X people out there, take out /.hidden ;)
[02:17] <ryanpg> I approach OSX as a hungry monkey... I flail my arms and smash bannanas on my keyboard
[02:17] <Burgundavia> DeltaF, the user looking at the underlying filesystem is a bug
[02:17] <patrickj> i just removed my crappy sound card, and I need it to install my onboard sound into the ubuntu system, how can I do this?
[02:17] <Burgundavia> DeltaF, as I said, there are easier and better backwards compatible ways to fix it
[02:18] <patrickj> ??
[02:18] <DeltaF> Hiding it with a GUI that stops them from seeing it?
[02:18] <DeltaF> That's called a Mac.
[02:18] <Seveas> :)
[02:18] <Burgundavia> yes
[02:18] <ubuntu_> any ideas??
[02:18] <ryanpg> now that the freedesktop.org menu is ubiquitous and menu editing is on the horizon... things should be better
[02:18] <ryanpg> menu spec that is
[02:18] <DeltaF> It makes my job harder..
[02:18] <Geist|Patrick> hey... huhu
[02:18] <Burgundavia> DeltaF, what does?
[02:18] <Geist|Patrick> :(
[02:19] <Geist|Patrick> nobody notices me :(
[02:19] <DeltaF> Because I can't help troubleshoot when it takes 10 steps to GET to the hidden path with the error.
[02:19] <ADreLynx> Hi all *)
[02:19] <Burgundavia> Geist|Patrick, what is your issue?
[02:19] <ryanpg> in gnome... my file manager is gnome-terminal/mc... on OSX I use the gui 99% of the time
[02:19] <Geist|Patrick> i cant access certain files on a mounted ntfs harddisc
[02:19] <Geist|Patrick> konquerer doesnt even display the content
[02:19] <Burgundavia> DeltaF, what is boils down to is that breaking the file system is not an overall win
[02:19] <cef> anyone care to explain the "do not use breezy yet" in the topic?
[02:19] <DeltaF> And neither is hiding it. :)
[02:19] <Geist|Patrick> i cant open folders
[02:20] <Burgundavia> DeltaF, yes it is
[02:20] <Burgundavia> DeltaF, because you can always access it, if you want to
[02:20] <Geist|Patrick> although i can watch the content of those folders with opera, the system fails to open them either
[02:20] <Seveas> cef, X is broken
[02:20] <DeltaF> At VERY least, there needs to be a merger of redundant folders..
[02:20] <ryanpg> DeltaF, I think hiding it is ok... I mean once a user gets to the point of  needing to access it... they can use the terminal or un-hide it themselves
[02:20] <cef> Seveas: ahh.. whom should I yell at this time? daniels? *grin*
[02:21] <Burgundavia> DeltaF, what you consider redundant?
[02:21] <patrickj> anyone know how to help me here?
[02:21] <Burgundavia> patrickj, what is you issue?
[02:21] <DeltaF> ryanpg: I do it all the time for mac troubleshooting. Getting to the Terminal app is enough of a struggle..
[02:21] <Seveas> cef, daniels is working very hard on it :)
[02:21] <jake1> ok... so how do i get Flash working on my mac running Ubuntu
[02:21] <DeltaF> It's a waste of time just to get THERE.
[02:21] <Geist|Patrick> aaah and kde has an issue too
[02:21] <ryanpg> DeltaF, heh
[02:21] <DeltaF> Burgundavia: /bin, /usr/bin
[02:21] <Geist|Patrick> i cant acces the time and timezone config
[02:21] <Geist|Patrick> root pass request opens, but nothing happens
[02:21] <jake1> as PPC does not seem to be supported by macromedia
[02:21] <DeltaF>  /sbin .. /usr/local/bin
[02:21] <cef> Seveas: heh.. I'm used to yelling at daniels.. so no difference to usual *grin*
[02:21] <cafuego> DeltaF: Um, why don't you add it to the dock?
[02:21] <patrickj> Burgundavia: I removed my old crappy sound card and plugged my speaks into onboard sound, enabled in BIOS etc., now how can I get ubuntu to install it to use?
[02:22] <ryanpg> DeltaF, my gf now has a mac-mini... navigating that by phone is a hell of a lot easier than trying to get her to understand linux
[02:22] <Burgundavia> DeltaF, there are very good reasons for seperating thme
[02:22] <DeltaF> cafuego: It's not my Mac. It will never be "My Mac" :)
[02:22] <cafuego> ryanpg: <heh> My wife has a Mac mini, but runs ubuntu on it.
[02:22] <zenrox> trying to compile xchat from cvs i have all of the deps for it to compile correctly and it hangs and errors out on the tcl plugin?? can any one help
[02:22] <Burgundavia> DeltaF, I suggest you read about why the various binaries are seperated into 4 different dirs
[02:22] <Will_> If I had a girlfriend I'd buy her a mac. I might just skip the girlfriend bit and buy MYSELF a mac, thinking about it
[02:22] <DeltaF> Got a link?
[02:22] <ryanpg> cafuego, well I love MY girlfriend :P
[02:22] <robertj_> Will: i'd recommend not
[02:22] <cafuego> DeltaF: The owner doesn't need to know it 1) has a second user account and 2) runs ssh
[02:22] <jake1> anyone know how to get Flash on my mac running Ubuntu
[02:22] <Burgundavia> patrickj, ouch, sorry no idea
[02:22] <Geist|Patrick> so hay anyone an idea what may be wrong on my site?
[02:23] <cafuego> ryanpg: Mine INSISTED
[02:23] <Will_> zenrox: Why are you compiling it from cvs, I wonder?
[02:23] <Will_> robertj_: Why?
[02:23] <patrickj> Will_: A mac IS like a girlfriend, in some ways
[02:23] <robertj_> Will: If your ok with PPC, then the Mini & iBook are OK
[02:23] <zenrox> Will_, just s&g
[02:23] <cafuego> jake1: "not"
[02:23] <ragnarok179> trying to install ati drivers on ubuntu need some help
[02:23] <Will_> patrickj: Will it make me coffee for breakfasts?
[02:23] <robertj_> But they are overpriced, more ps, prone to hardware failure than PCs these days, etc
[02:23] <Will_> s and g?
[02:23] <ryanpg> well... anyway goodbye all... time for dinner
[02:23] <robertj_> And although every app will surely come out in a Fat Binary, you can be sure it will be time to pay yet again for an upgrade
[02:23] <patrickj> Will_: if you program it right
[02:23] <cafuego> robertj_: No, they're not.
[02:23] <DeltaF> cafuego: I only touch a Mac when it already has a problem. :)
[02:23] <robertj_> Cafuego: not what?
[02:23] <zenrox> Will_, its inapropate for here
[02:24] <cafuego> robertj_: Theye not overpriced. i have yet to find a decent value 12" 1024x768 PC laptop
[02:24] <ragnarok179> can someone help me with installing ati drivers???
[02:24] <robertj_> Cafuego: I've got a 14" I'm happy with. Is that too big?
[02:24] <Burgundavia> ragnarok179, wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:24] <patrickj> cafuego: good luck with that
[02:24] <cafuego> robertj_: if I want a 12" then yes, a 14" is too big.
[02:25] <robertj_> Cafuego: Well then, I dunno. The Vaios get down to that price when they go on sale
[02:25] <Geist|Patrick> ah.. timezone is fixed
[02:25] <Geist|Patrick> reinstalled ktimer :)
[02:25] <robertj_> Cafuego: I like my Gateway, it was $350 after rebates
[02:25] <cafuego> robertj_: Not in Australia they don't.
[02:25] <jake1> cafuego: what?
[02:25] <jake1> not?
[02:25] <jake1> not what?
[02:25] <cafuego> jake1: "not"
[02:25] <robertj_> (including $21 for me to upgrade the ram myself)
[02:25] <jake1> oh the program
[02:25] <jake1> lol
[02:25] <kozlyk> can someone give me a hand getting divx avi working
[02:25] <cafuego> jake1: flash isn goign to run on ubuntu PPC. Don't even bother trying.
[02:25] <Burgundavia> kozlyk, wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:26] <robertj_> cafuego: the 12" iBooks are an exception though, I do see your point there
[02:26] <robertj_> the 14" is a good laptop too, I've got one from work, its just not worth the cash unless you want to run OS X though
[02:26] <patrickj> robertj_: I have a 15" Powerbook and its like god to me
[02:26] <cafuego> robertj_: it's easy enough to get cheap 14" laptops, but the PC ones get more expensive when they get smaller, whereas the iBook is *cheaper*
[02:27] <DeltaF> patrickj worships silver and white plastic..
[02:27] <robertj_> cafuego: yeah, its just too small for me though, so I just didn't deal with it.
[02:27] <DeltaF> "mmm. Shiny god"
[02:27] <Burgundavia> patrickj, cafuego robertj_ can you take the mac talk elsewhere?
[02:27] <patrickj> DeltaF: no I worship the PPC for webdesign
[02:27] <robertj_> burgundavia: its hardware talk
[02:27] <cafuego> robertj_: I like it far better then the coffin-sized HP i got <heh>
[02:27] <Burgundavia> robertj_, it is not relevant ot ubuntu
[02:27] <patrickj> Burundavia: sorry ..
[02:27] <robertj_> Burgundavia: its actually very relevant
[02:28] <robertj_> want to have a machine that works right with Ubuntu? Buy the right hardware to begin with
[02:28] <patrickj> can anyone help me with the sound card thing though?
[02:28] <jake1> cafuego: well that just sux
[02:28] <cafuego> (to get back on topic, the coffin-sized HP runs ubuntu)
[02:28] <tkiesel> Can a user be a member of more than one group on a Linux System.
[02:28] <jake1> why doesn't it
[02:28] <Burgundavia> tkiesel, yes
[02:28] <robertj_> To get back on topic, my G5 still isn't happy in Dual Head these days
[02:28] <cafuego> robertj_: yes, the mac Mini runs Ubuntu very nicely. far snappier the  OSX tiger.
[02:28] <robertj_> actually, as of a week ago its not very happy at all with X ;)
[02:28] <tkiesel> Burgundavia: How?
[02:29] <Burgundavia> tkiesel, all users have a primary group
[02:29] <Burgundavia> tkiesel, just add them to the group
[02:29] <DeltaF>  /etc/group
[02:29] <tkiesel> Burgundavia: *nods* Know the command I need to use?  I can read the manpage for syntax.
[02:30] <patrickj> how can I get ubuntu to auto-config my sound card?
[02:30] <patrickj> because I changed the card
[02:30] <Burgundavia> tkiesel, usermod
[02:30] <crimsun> patrickj: from what to what?
[02:31] <Harold> How do I list all the packages installed on my system?
[02:31] <crimsun> patrickj: if the cards are pci/usb, it's done automatically
[02:31] <Harold> Hello everyone
[02:31] <tkiesel> Burgundavia: Tahnk you! :)
[02:31] <crimsun> Harold: dpkg -l
[02:31] <patrickj> Aopen Cobra AW-850 POS to slightly better onboard
[02:31] <tkiesel> Thank, even. lol.
[02:31] <Harold> crimsun, Thanks
[02:31] <crimsun> Harold: or use Synaptic
[02:31] <crimsun> patrickj: cat /proc/asound/modules
[02:32] <patrickj> cimsun: and it will do auto?
[02:32] <ubuntu_> whats the best way to send like 5 gigs of files from ubuntu to another pc on the same home network with xp running??
[02:32] <patrickj> 0 snd_via82xx
[02:33] <crimsun> patrickj: err, that looks like [the same]  onboard?
[02:33] <tkiesel> Oh, and does anyone know what group Apache 2 is in using a default install from the Ubuntu repos?
[02:33] <kozlyk> burgundavia: I went through that wiki.ubuntu.com/restricted website for media codecs etc, and i still have video probs, though my audio is better as i am now on the mplayer-686
[02:33] <crimsun> patrickj: I presume it was a Via motherboard to begin with?
[02:33] <kozlyk> any ideas?
[02:34] <Burgundavia> kozlyk, say again?
[02:34] <tkiesel> I want to add a user or two to that group so Apache doesn't hiccup, but making some file modifications are easier for trusted users.
[02:34] <goldfish> tkiesel: apache?
[02:34] <Burgundavia> kozlyk, you need w32codecs, which cannot be mentioned on restrictedformats page for legal reasons
[02:34] <patrickj> crimsun: MSI P4MAM2-V
[02:34] <kozlyk> burgundavia: I went and did what that side said to do
[02:34] <Harold> Anyone have a list of the largest packages on a standard Ubuntu install?
[02:34] <Burgundavia> Harold, the whole install is about 1.8 gigs
[02:34] <cafuego> tkiesel: chown the web directory to a 3rd group, add those users to that group, give them write permission.
[02:34] <Thewrdnrd> Hmm, just tried Ubuntu and I have a few concerns. Some packages seem somewhat out-of-date (I.e. CenterICQ, GAIM.) Are there newer versions of these anywhere?
[02:35] <Burgundavia> Harold, the largest single packages are likely to be the gnoem libraries, the OO stuff and X
[02:35] <Harold> Burgundavia, Exactly.  I want to remove some of the largest packages I don't need.
[02:35] <kozlyk> burgundavia: I have w32codecs included as well
[02:35] <Harold> Burgundavia, Thank you
[02:35] <tkiesel> cafuego: That won't mess with Apache writing to the web directory?
[02:35] <cafuego> tkiesel: Do you _need_ apache to write to that dir?
[02:35] <Burgundavia> Harold, almost nothing is installed by default is unneeded
[02:35] <Harold> Burgundavia, I've removed OO, but not all the gnome libraries.
[02:35] <Geist|Patrick> bye
[02:35] <Burgundavia> Harold, what DE are you running
[02:36] <tkiesel> cafuego: Yeah. It needs to be able to write a few files in there.  (Running a Mambo server)
[02:36] <Harold> Burgundavia, I'm using xfce4 instead of gnome; can I safely removed the gnome libraries?
[02:36] <patrickj> cimsun: any idea how to install the card into config or whatever?
[02:36] <Harold> Burgundavia, DE?
[02:36] <Harold> Burgundavia, Developer environment?
[02:36] <cafuego> tkiesel: Ok, then chown www-data.newgroup and chmod 2775 the dir.
[02:36] <Burgundavia> Harold, some, synaptic will scream at you
[02:36] <HrdwrBoB> desktop environment
[02:36] <cafuego> tkiesel: apache 9as user) can write and the users (as group) can write.
[02:36] <bimberi> ls /var/www
[02:36] <Harold> Burgundavia, Ah...I'm using xfce4.
[02:36] <jasoncohen> Harold, why not do a server install and then install whatever else you need?
[02:36] <Burgundavia> Harold, synaptic will stop you from removing those that are necessary
[02:36] <tkiesel> www-data.newgroup?
[02:36] <cafuego> tkiesel: And the group perms will be kept due to the setgid bit.
[02:36] <kozlyk> burgundavia: i am trying a movie in avi w/divx
[02:37] <Burgundavia> kozlyk, w32codecs and totem-xine has never presented a problem for me
[02:37] <cafuego> tkiesel: Yes, newgroup being the new group you can add the suers to.
[02:37] <Harold> Burgundavia, Will apt-get scream at me too?  (I prefer using apt-get if possible.)
[02:37] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, he can remove anything that's not "required" - he cant' remove libc6. he can remove gnome libraries
[02:37] <kozlyk> burgundavia: the movie info in totem player says: ISO MPEG-4 (XviD, ffmpeg)
[02:37] <kozlyk> yet i get the wonderful green screen
[02:37] <tkiesel> cafuego: Ahhh. Nice.  Thank you very much. :)
[02:37] <Harold> jasoncohen, Hi there.
[02:37] <jasoncohen> Harold, you should be able to remove most anything you want with apt-get. it'll warn you of the other stuff that's being removed but you can certainly remove gnome
[02:38] <cafuego> tkiesel: ... or make them write via webdav; so you don need a special group :-)
[02:38] <jasoncohen> Harold, you might want to start from a server install and then work from there
[02:38] <james> thats what i had to do
[02:38] <Harold> jasoncohen, I'm not prepared to do a server install now; I've got a system I like.
[02:38] <james> my server now works great
[02:38] <jasoncohen> Harold, the server install is very light. it just installs ubuntu-base - no X, gnome et.c
[02:38] <Harold> jasoncohen, I'm just nearing the end of my 2GB HD all the time.
[02:38] <tkiesel> cafuego:  was that a . or a : ?
[02:38] <Burgundavia> Harold, as long as you what you are doing, and follow what synaptic does, you shouldn
[02:38] <Burgundavia> have an issue
[02:39] <cafuego> tkiesel: either works
[02:39] <Harold> Burgundavia, Sounds good.
[02:39] <patrickj> cimsun: any idea how to install the card into config or whatever?
[02:39] <calc> crimsun: around?
[02:39] <Ohpoo> what's up all?
[02:39] <Harold> jasoncohen, Were you jcoxon one day?
[02:39] <patrickj> dammit I just need this sound card working
[02:39] <kozlyk> should i have the ffmpeg or the gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg? or both?
[02:39] <jasoncohen> Harold, no- i've always been jasoncohen
[02:39] <Burgundavia> kozlyk, install totem-xine
[02:39] <ubuntu_> can anyone help me with transferin files to a windows xp machine
[02:39] <moparfan90> hello
[02:40] <jasoncohen> Harold, if you want to remove all of gnome you just need to find a core library. KDE can be removed by uninstalling kdelibs4
[02:40] <cafuego> ubuntu_: Install winscp on the XP amchine and run the ssh server on Ubuntu.
[02:40] <crimsun> calc: pong
[02:40] <moparfan90> i have a text file with a pasword on it and dont know it. how can i open it??
[02:40] <Harold> jasoncohen, A core library?  Not sure I understand...
[02:40] <ubuntu_> how do i run the ssh server?
[02:40] <cafuego> moparfan90: 'vi'
[02:40] <kozlyk> i have totem-xine, but what about totem (as it isn't in there yet), or totem-gstreamer?
[02:40] <tkiesel> cafuego: Gracias!
[02:40] <cafuego> ubuntu_: apt-get install openssh-server
[02:40] <moparfan90> cafuego, whats vi??
[02:40] <tdmgy> I compiled ZSNES for my system, but it isn't working because I have a 64bit system, anyone know what I should do?
[02:41] <cafuego> moparfan90: a text editor
[02:41] <moparfan90> how will that help?
[02:41] <Harold> jasoncohen, Looks like kdelibs4 isn't installed.
[02:41] <anders__> he all
[02:41] <cafuego> moparfan90: It opens text files.
[02:41] <jasoncohen> Harold, when you installed ubuntu, a few meta packages were installed which basically contain a list of hundreds of packages that are considered a base ubuntu install
[02:41] <moparfan90> even with a pw
[02:41] <jasoncohen> Harold, ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-base
[02:41] <cafuego> moparfan90: Or did you mean you have an _encrypted_ file?
[02:41] <ubuntu_> arite just did that, then what?
[02:41] <Harold> jasoncohen, Those aren't required?
[02:41] <SoulMate> hey anyone here ever get the "debootstrap error" and fixed it?
[02:41] <moparfan90> maybe it is i  dont know
[02:42] <cafuego> ubuntu_: Now install winscp in XP (google for it)
[02:42] <jasoncohen> Harold, there's no easy way to uninstall all of gnome since it's made up of hundreds of packages. the easiest way is to find a library that all the other packages depend on in gnome and remove that- thus taking out everything
[02:42] <anders__> how can i get an web mail sever on the ubuntu ??
[02:42] <jasoncohen> Harold, i used kdelibs4 as an example. If you wanted to remove KDE, that's the package you would want to remove
[02:42] <cafuego> anders__: install an imap server, apache, php4 and squirrelmail.
[02:42] <SoulMate> hey anyone here ever get the "debootstrap error" and fixed it?
[02:42] <moparfan90> well i have the file in windows... do you know how to 'hack' the file???
[02:42] <anders__> grat thanks
[02:42] <ubuntu_> ok brb
[02:42] <moparfan90> maybe encrepted
[02:43] <Harold> jasoncohen, Can I removed ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-base?
[02:43] <Burgundavia> Harold, yes
[02:43] <Burgundavia> Harold, upgrading is going to be harder without them, though
[02:43] <jasoncohen> Harold, yeah- they're just meta packages- that won't help you
[02:43] <ubuntu_> do u know where i go to use ssh in linux?
[02:43] <SoulMate> hey anyone here ever get the "debootstrap error" and fixed it?
[02:43] <cafuego> moparfan90: No, not unless you can tell me whether it _is_ encrypted and if so, with _what_.
[02:44] <cafuego> ubuntu_: "ssh user@host" from the shell.
[02:44] <Harold> jasoncohen, Burgundavia : Looks like ubuntu-desktop wasn't installed anyway.
[02:44] <jasoncohen> Harold, try removing libgnome2.0-common
[02:45] <SoulMate> hey anyone here ever get the "debootstrap error" during installing the base.. coz i cant install ubuntu
[02:45] <anders__> if you wont to here my internet radio i have made uder ubuntu ?
[02:45] <kozlyk> which file is the divx codec in in synaptic?  is it libdivx4linux or some other one?
[02:45] <jasoncohen> you're going to have to install some packages that are removed by that action- like firefox afterwards
[02:45] <jasoncohen> first you remove all of gnome- then install what you want
[02:45] <anders__> than gow and look at www.xboks.dk the sight is on english
[02:45] <Harold> jasoncohen, Burgundavia : I've just removed ubuntu-base; couldn't find package libgnome2.0-common.
[02:46] <Amaranth> Harold: That doesn't actually do _anything_
[02:46] <moparfan90> cafuego, how can i tell if its encripted???
[02:46] <jasoncohen> Harold, don't remove ubuntu-base...it won't help you AND it'll make upgrading in the future more difficult
[02:46] <Harold> jasoncohen, Too late.
[02:46] <efigyidol> lol@cafuego
[02:46] <Harold> Amaranth, What doesn't?
[02:47] <efigyidol> pats
[02:47] <ubuntu_> input into the terminal?
[02:47] <Amaranth> sudo apt-get remove --purge libgtk2.0-0 <--strips you down to just X
[02:47] <nickrud> libglib2.0-0, actually
[02:47] <jasoncohen> Harold, sudo apt-get remove libgnome2-common
[02:47] <cafuego> moparfan90: Lets assume it's encrypted and that you don't know with what software. There is then no way of decrypting it, so don't bother.
[02:48] <Amaranth> blebleb
[02:48] <nickrud> or, closer, anyway ;P
[02:48] <moparfan90> oo
[02:48] <Harold> jasoncohen, I'm already root.
[02:48] <Harold> jasoncohen, Oh, I gotcha
[02:48] <anders__> dalarax.linux.dk:8000 chek it out
[02:48] <jasoncohen> Harold, have a good look at what's being removed
[02:49] <jasoncohen> Harold, stuff will be removed that you want so you'll need to install that after everything is removed
[02:49] <Harold> jasoncohen, Yeah, I'm looking.  Looks like it will be removing abiword, which I want to keep.
[02:49] <airbon> hello there, anyone know how to install java on ubuntu
[02:49] <jasoncohen> this is the problem with using meta packages to install stuff. it makes installation easy but removal isn't
[02:50] <Harold> jasoncohen, Yes
[02:50] <anders__> grat rap music
[02:50] <jasoncohen> Harold, you should also do an apt-get clean
[02:50] <nickrud> Harold, is your disk space really restricted? That's the only reason I can see why you would really want to do this stuff, anyway
[02:50] <cafuego> anders__: Why are you trying to advertise a web site here?
[02:50] <jasoncohen> Harold, all the packages that you download are kept on your hd unless you remove them with apt-get clean
[02:50] <Harold> jasoncohen, Thanks for the reminder of that apt-get clean.  Cleans the cache, right?
[02:50] <Icabod> what is this channel
[02:50] <cafuego> Icabod: #ubuntu
[02:50] <jasoncohen> Harold, yes and apt-get autoclean just removes the old packages that have new versions available
[02:51] <Icabod> yes i know the channelname
[02:51] <Icabod> whats it for
[02:51] <Harold> nickrud, Yes, very.  I have a 2GB HD, and I'm a podcaster so I like to do audio editing, which takes up some space.
[02:51] <charles> is there a way to see which package a file belongs to?
[02:51] <cafuego> Icabod: Check the /topic
[02:51] <Amaranth> Icabod: The topic is useful.
[02:51] <Cin> hey, i need to exit x to install my new gfx card drivers.. what's the command to exit it?
[02:51] <nickrud> ah, ok
[02:51] <anders__> hehe hell no
[02:51] <jasoncohen> Harold, you realize you can get a 160 GB HD for about $50 on outpost?
[02:51] <Nevado> Cin, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[02:51] <Cin> thanks a lot
[02:51] <Harold> jasoncohen, I'm extremely broke.
[02:52] <jasoncohen> Cin, no- you don't usually
[02:52] <Harold> jasoncohen, I purchased this system at Goodwill for $60.
[02:52] <Cin> the nvidia driver installation asks me to
[02:52] <kapputu> hi, how do I uninstall unused packages
[02:52] <DonL> airbon: I think for Java I used the Wiki or some how-to on the Ubuntu website
[02:52] <Harold> jasoncohen, I've also added a Wi-Fi adapter, and some RAM.
[02:52] <jasoncohen> Cin, um, the nvidia drive installation is trivial
[02:52] <ubuntu_> does anyone know how to use ssh on ubuntu
[02:52] <Harold> jasoncohen, I'm trying to hold off on any more purchased at the moment.
[02:52] <Cin> :\
[02:53] <charles>  I have a file / library installed on one of my boxes, however not on this one. Is there a way to see which package that library (or the file) belongs to?
[02:53] <jasoncohen> Cin, http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[02:53] <jasoncohen> Cin, nvidia-settings is the graphical tool for the nvidia drivers. you dont' need it- it's purely optional
[02:53] <erisco> i know i should be under the apache channel for this, but i would like to know whether to get the tar.bz2 or the tar.gz php 5.1.0 BETA
[02:53] <Cin> aye
[02:53] <jasoncohen> so is the NVIDIA-Settings.desktop step
[02:53] <kapputu> anyone know how to get rid of unused packages?
[02:53] <Cin> NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7667-pkg1.run
[02:53] <Cin> it's that
[02:54] <jasoncohen> Cin, sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx ; sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[02:54] <erisco> (oh btw, how do you talk to ppl in private?)
[02:54] <Cin> i did that, but my drivers don't seem to be up to date because i've no 3d acceleration
[02:54] <jasoncohen> Cin, heh, what are you doing? ubuntu has the nvidia drivers packaged already
[02:54] <jasoncohen> you don't need to install the ones off nvidia's site
[02:54] <jasoncohen> Cin, copy this command into a terminal - "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx ; sudo nvidia-glx-config enable"
[02:55] <Cin> oki
[02:55] <jasoncohen> Cin, then ctrl-alt-backspace to restart X
[02:55] <airbon> hello
[02:55] <erisco> could anyone tell me which php 5.1.0 BETA download is the best? tar.bz2 or tar.gz??
[02:55] <eyequeue> kapputu:  sudo dpkg --purge foo
[02:55] <airbon> anyone know how to install jav
[02:55] <anders__> thos some one use a antivirus and which one??
[02:55] <airbon> java
[02:55] <DonL> airbon, did you not see my reply above?
[02:55] <jasoncohen> erisco, doesn't really matter if you have broadband. bz2 uses better compression
[02:56] <nickrud> !java
[02:56] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[02:56] <erisco> does it? okay i will download that one
[02:56] <cafuego> erisco: Why can you just apt-get install php4?
[02:56] <jasoncohen> !nvidia
[02:56] <ubotu> methinks nvidia is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:56] <cafuego> can't
[02:56] <redtech_> ok this sucks.  I jsut got my wife up and going on ubuntu when all of a sudden it "locks".  After a series of trying to login tty2 and 3 (i believe that the correct term), I restart.  I receive the following..  EXT3-fs: error loading journal
[02:56] <DonL> thanks, ubuto
[02:56] <bramker> hello everybody
[02:57] <erisco> huh? sorry new to the terminal
[02:57] <anders__> hi
[02:57] <erisco> what if i wanted php5?
[02:57] <erisco> isn't it better to keep updated?
[02:57] <jasoncohen> erisco, is there any reason you need php5?
[02:57] <erisco> i need php...
[02:57] <cafuego> erisco: Judging from previous questions you've asked, you will be in for PAIN and wreck your system.
[02:57] <bimberi> charles: There's a search contents facility on http://packages.ubuntu.com
[02:57] <andy__> How can i 'link' the /mnt/music directory to localhost/music, with apache?
[02:57] <cafuego> erisco: just use the precompiled prepackaged php4. it works absolutely fine.
[02:57] <erisco> really?
[02:58] <erisco> okay okay
[02:58] <erisco> i know i am new
[02:58] <jasoncohen> erisco, then just install php4...they'll just work
[02:58] <erisco> thats why i am here asking stuff
[02:58] <cafuego> erisco: good :-)
[02:58] <erisco> so if i use apt-get install php4
[02:58] <jasoncohen> erisco, and they'll integrate with apache2 if you want with libapache2-mod-php4
[02:58] <airbon> sorry, no. thanks
[02:58] <cafuego> erisco: apt-get install libapache-mpd-php4
[02:58] <erisco> php4 will just work with my server?
[02:58] <erisco> okay
[02:58] <cafuego> erisco: Yep
[02:58] <erisco> wow too easy
[02:59] <jasoncohen> erisco, you can also use synaptic to install packages
[02:59] <overlade> oh
[02:59] <erisco> yeah i found that nifty program =)
[02:59] <cafuego> erisco: php5 would have involved installing development files, compiling, editing config files, cursing as the install overwrote already existing files... just pain.
[02:59] <andy__> How can i 'link' the /mnt/music directory to localhost/music, with apache? so when i surf to my site/music i can reach the files in the /mnt/music directory?
[02:59] <erisco> E: Couldn't find package libapache-mpd-php4
[02:59] <jasoncohen> redtech, did ubuntu run a check on the HD when you rebooted- did you a bar with a percentage meter saying it's checking /?
[02:59] <Cin> woah fuck that's fast, pardon my language
[02:59] <Cin> sorted :P
[02:59] <erisco> php5 is for experts only i guess
[03:00] <erisco> php4 is for dummies?
[03:00] <geronimo_> hello please you french
[03:00] <Cin> zoomage graphics!
[03:00] <RetroMan> andy__ - see mount --bind
[03:00] <redtech_> jasoncohen, negative
[03:00] <cafuego> erisco: it will also be packaged, in due time.
[03:00] <RetroMan> man mount
[03:00] <erisco> cool
[03:00] <Burgundavia> erisco, php5 is now in breezy
[03:00] <jasoncohen> erisco, no- php5 just wasn't packaged for hoary. it'll be in breezy
[03:00] <Cin> *runs heavy graphics 3D screensaver as celebration*
[03:00] <Belutz> it should be libapache-mod-php4 i guess
[03:00] <jasoncohen> redtech, ok, where are you now?
[03:00] <cafuego> erisco: No, it's essentially the same thing, just a higher version number.
[03:00] <Belutz> not mpd
[03:00] <erisco> but as i put above ^ there was an error
[03:00] <erisco> here it is again
[03:00] <erisco> E: Couldn't find package libapache-mpd-php4
[03:00] <cafuego> erisco: mod-php, not mpd-php4
[03:00] <Cin> agh you guys rule
[03:01] <cafuego> erisco: mod-php4, not mpd-php4
[03:01] <jasoncohen> Belutz, libapache-mod-php4 is more apache 1.3.x, libapache2-mod-php4 is for apache 2
[03:01] <cafuego> arggghv
[03:01] <erisco> someone had a typo then
[03:01] <jasoncohen> *is for
[03:01] <erisco> and it wasn't me o0
[03:01] <cafuego> erisco: My middle name is typo3
[03:01] <redtech_> jasoncohen,  booted up on phlak ATM,  ill grab my lapper and do anything you recommend =)
[03:01] <Cin> lol
[03:01] <Belutz> jasoncohen: yup i know that :)
[03:01] <ESKILO> what is the point of esd?  someone said you can configure alsa to use "dmix"..
[03:01] <erisco> lol
[03:01] <mada> hello all ... i have a Xscreensaver issue ... anyone know much about it?
[03:01] <Cin> what's your issue?
[03:01] <erisco> when you text appears red you are private messaging me right?
[03:02] <erisco> well how do i private message back?
[03:02] <jasoncohen> erisco, /msg
[03:02] <Cin> ./msg <user> <message>
[03:02] <erisco> erisco, /msg
[03:02] <desrt> erisco; try pressing tab
[03:02] <Cin> lol
[03:02] <jake1> i need quick math here
[03:02] <nickrud> ESKILO, esd is intended to let various apps send sound streams to your hardware card simultaneously, dmix is another way to do that
[03:02] <Velcan2> someone is using my nickserv'd name :`(
[03:02] <phixion> help :(
[03:02] <mada> Cin: well ... when xscreensaver runs for a while, it crashes xorg, and that locks up my entire system, i can't even alt+tab+F1
[03:02] <jasoncohen> ESKILO, esd allows multiplexing- which means that multiple programs can output sound at once
[03:02] <erisco> ./msg jasoncohen did this work?
[03:02] <nickrud> !sound
[03:02] <ubotu> sound is, like, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[03:02] <jake1> there is a pin number that is four digits long... and you can use 0-9 only how many possible combinations are there
[03:03] <phixion> I can't extract ANYTHING, I downloaded "unrar" I cant extract anything with that. nor can I extract anything with Archive Manager.
[03:03] <erisco> yay!
[03:03] <mada> Cin: any ideas?
[03:03] <desrt> mada; i had that a while ago.  turned out my videocard was bad
[03:03] <erisco> i got it
[03:03] <gradzac> jakel: 4^10
[03:03] <redtech> jasoncohen, ok lapper is here
[03:03] <jasoncohen> ESKILO, you can also use ESD with ALSA which is the method you're referring to which is supposed to be better. for example, the mplayer package doesn't work for me unless i use libesd0-alsa
[03:03] <desrt> mada; it would overheat when in use and destabilise the system
[03:03] <erisco> so that command ran through
[03:03] <redtech> got any recommendations?
[03:03] <jasoncohen> erisco, yes
[03:03] <geronimo_> personne parle franais SVP
[03:03] <andy__> can't find mount --bind help
[03:03] <mada> desrt: i have onboard video ... intel i810 (its an old machine)
[03:03] <erisco> my server is now php4 compatable?
[03:04] <jake1> 1 048 576
[03:04] <jasoncohen> redtech, boot into failsafe mode and tell me what happens
[03:04] <desrt> geronimo_; #ubuntu-fr
[03:04] <erisco> i thought it would have been way harder
[03:04] <jasoncohen> erisco, yes, you can use php code on your apache2 server
[03:04] <erisco> gee thanks
[03:04] <jake1> i'm trying to find a free dial-around service
[03:04] <sebest> hello, which package contain xmodmap onbreezy?
[03:04] <Cin> your swap file sorted right?
[03:04] <jake1> so i can spoof my cpn
[03:04] <phixion> what do I need to handle rar3.0 files?
[03:04] <andy__> isn't it something with the httpd.conf and alias
[03:04] <erisco> okay next step, to install a mysql database...
[03:04] <mada> Cin: swap file sorted?
[03:04] <erisco> apt-get install msql?
[03:04] <Cin> it's not using up all memory is it?
[03:05] <jasoncohen> erisco, php is nice, i have mythweb on my apache server which heavily uses php
[03:05] <erisco> would that work perhaps?
[03:05] <Burgundavia> erisco, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP
[03:05] <airbon> i just wanna install the java runtime. is it the same as the JDK
[03:05] <mada> Cin: no, i run gkrellm and then erun the screensaver for a few minutes and then move my mouse to see how my system is holding up ... it seems fine, only using a little over half the ram
[03:05] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, why does it recommend mysql 4.1 over mysql 4.0 when 4.1 is in universe?
[03:05] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, no idea
[03:06] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, it is a wiki page, edit it
[03:06] <geneo93> phixion:  unrar-nonfree
[03:06] <redtech> jasoncohen, Im not sure how to accomplish that.. but it appears to be coming up.  Is there some checks I can run while in ubuntu?
[03:06] <jasoncohen> redtech, yes- tell me when it's finished starting up
[03:06] <dori> anyone have write access to the website? found a dead link
[03:06] <redtech> sitting at login screen
[03:06] <jasoncohen> redtech, you'll want to run a fsck check on your drive and that needs to be done before you mount /
[03:07] <erisco> so on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP if i just do the three sudo commands, my server will have a database?
[03:07] <jasoncohen> redtech, ctrl-alt-f1
[03:07] <Belutz> maybe because in mysql 4.1 already support nested select while mysql 4.0 is not
[03:07] <redtech> jasoncohen, ok
[03:07] <Belutz> ?
[03:07] <jasoncohen> redtech, and login with your main account. then type "sudo shutdown -Fr now"
[03:07] <Velcan2> are there any gnome apps out there to make changing splash screens easier?
[03:07] <file> hey im trying to use dual monitors on gnome
[03:07] <file> on a nvidia 6800gt
[03:07] <mada> Cin: any ideas?
[03:08] <file> my main monitor is working, hooked up through dvi, my secondary monitor isnt working through the vga
[03:08] <redtech> jasoncohen, ok rebooting.
[03:09] <nickrud> Velcan2, not really, although you can set the proper gconf key in gconf-editor (apps/gnome-session/splash_image)
[03:09] <phixion> geneo93, thanks, where can I get it from? It isn't in the repositories (it says it is in wiki)
[03:09] <Cin> sorry mate, i'm new a linux, i was just interested, i'll give it a google
[03:10] <dori> how are redirects done in the ubuntu wiki?
[03:10] <geneo93> phixion:  it maybe in universe repository
[03:10] <Burgundavia> dori, #REDIRECT PageToBeRedirectTo
[03:10] <redtech> jasoncohen, so in the event that this box absolutley failed to start.  Would booting into any nix distro cd (phlak, knoppix) and fsck that drive?
[03:10] <mada> Cin: i've been googling the hell out of it ... i've been a debian user for about 4 years and never had a problem, i read up on ubuntu and liked the idea of it, so i installed it on this old machine to try it out ... i like it, but i have a little problem :P
[03:10] <jasoncohen> redtech, yeah- i did this with the hoary live cd
[03:11] <jasoncohen> redtech, just pop it in, startup, and fsck /dev/hda
[03:11] <Cin> ahh lol, have you tried #linux?
[03:11] <redtech> jasoncohen, ahh, makes sense.  So the fact that this box is now sitting at the login screen.  Its complete? Are there any logs to see if the fsck fixed something?
[03:12] <mada> Cin: naw ... i don't think it is a generic issue, i've never had a problem with xscreensaver, even in the years i spent on both redhat and slackware :/
[03:12] <jasoncohen> redtech, well, did you see it run?
[03:12] <redtech> jasoncohen, yes there was a progress bar...
[03:12] <jasoncohen> redtech, didn't you see something about fsck checking your / and /home parititions
[03:12] <jasoncohen> redtech, and both when up to a 100% and were successful?
[03:12] <redtech> correct
[03:12] <file> anyone use dual monitors here?
[03:13] <Velcan2> nickrud:  do you know how to change gconf values from the command line? ... i mihgt work on little nautilus-script
[03:13] <geneo93> phixion:  you need to enable univers repo in synaptic
[03:13] <jasoncohen> redtech, then you "should" be fine. your partitions are OK.
[03:13] <phixion> geneo93, ive done that
[03:13] <ubuntu_> does anyone know how to run the ssh client
[03:13] <geneo93> reload then
[03:13] <r0bby> rob@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount -t ntfs errors=recover /dev/hdb1
[03:13] <r0bby> mount: special device errors=recover does not exist
[03:13] <r0bby> rob@ubuntu:~$
[03:13] <r0bby> what's that mean :/
[03:13] <redtech> jasoncohen, great.  Thank you so very much! Once again this community has shined!
[03:13] <crimsun> you missed -o, r0bby
[03:14] <geneo93> phixion:  its in mine
[03:14] <nickrud> Velcan2, gconftool-2
[03:14] <SoulMate> I REALLY need help.. i keep getting "debootstrap error" during installing the base.. what do i do?
[03:14] <Velcan2> kk thanks
[03:14] <r0bby> where does -o go :/
[03:14] <crimsun> in front of errors=
[03:14] <jasoncohen> redtech, have you had any other problems or just that one ext3 error?
[03:15] <redtech> jasoncohen, just that one
[03:15] <phixion> geneo93, do you mind pasting me your sources.list please? :D
[03:15] <r0bby> got it!
[03:15] <r0bby> :D
[03:15] <Cin> Re: Warning You are mixing ubuntu and debian ! (Alexis Sukrieh) ... If I try and
[03:15] <Cin> execute it from Xscreensaver i get a flat-out crash (terminalted with ..
[03:15] <pestilence> anybody know how to fix this error from vncserver?
[03:15] <pestilence> Fatal server error:
[03:15] <pestilence> could not open default font 'fixed'
[03:15] <geneo93> phixion:  its to big for here
[03:15] <Cin> mada: http://draves.org/HyperNews/get.cgi/flame.html?inline=-1
[03:15] <Cin> ?? any help?
[03:15] <SoulMate> I REALLY need help.. i keep getting "debootstrap error" during installing the base.. what do i do?
[03:15] <phixion> geneo93, do you have any ftp u can upload it to in a .txt file maybe?
[03:15] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, i changed the ApacheMySQLPHP guide to install mysql-server rather than mysql-server-4.1. Most users won't need 4.1 and 4.0 has full security support
[03:15] <phixion> i dont get it though
[03:15] <mada> Cin: just a minute ... lemme see
[03:16] <file> anyone use dual monitors here?
[03:16] <phixion> geneo93, its all enabled i dont understand why...
[03:16] <jasoncohen> redtech, well, you should probably also install the smart monitoring tools and check your drive just to make sure
[03:16] <r0bby> :D
[03:16] <geneo93> check and see if its commented out
[03:16] <SoulMate> I REALLY need help.. i keep getting "debootstrap error" during installing the base.. what do i do? ive tried 3 times already!!
[03:17] <roo_> whats to dance about, r0bby ?
[03:17] <r0bby> there is a backup boot sector?
[03:17] <jasoncohen> redtech, sudo apt-get install smartmontools
[03:17] <aru> SoulMate: maybe repeat it a few more times...
[03:17] <SoulMate> it just keep popping up and wont install
[03:17] <pestilence> possibly this bug:  http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12325
[03:17] <pestilence> but there is no resolution
[03:17] <Cin> mada: i don't fully understand much of linux yet... so it's probably irrelevant lol
[03:17] <kyncani> SoulMate: switch to console and look at the kernel logs with dmesg
[03:17] <nickrud> SoulMate, I'd do an md5sum on the cdrom, see if there was a write error
[03:17] <redtech> jasoncohen, installed.
[03:17] <Cin> mada: made the switch from windows to linux, heh
[03:18] <mada> Cin: lol, fair enough ... i will take a look into it
[03:18] <mada> Cin: good for you, i did that a few years ago and have been so happy with it
[03:18] <mada> Cin: and the thing about debian and debian based distros is that once you install it once, get your base setup working ... you never have to re-install EVER
[03:18] <jasoncohen> redtech, this is a good page to use - http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Monitor_your_hard_disk(s)_with_smartmontools
[03:19] <jasoncohen> redtech, first, "sudo smartctl -i /dev/hda" to see if your HD supports SMART
[03:19] <Velcan2> nickrud:  are you familiar with gconftool-2 at all? Wondering if this looks correct: gconftool-2 --type string --set /apps/gnome-session/options/splash_image "NameOfSplashImage"
[03:19] <jasoncohen> redtech, then follow the instructions on that site to run tests on your HD and see if it passes
[03:19] <Velcan2> I guess I could just try it :P
[03:20] <jasoncohen> redtech, "sudo smartctl -H /dev/hda" will give you an idea if it's going to fail in the imminent future
[03:20] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, thanks
[03:20] <jasoncohen> redtech, but the other tests will give you more info
[03:20] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, np
[03:20] <airmikey> anyone here running openbox wm ?
[03:20] <nickrud> Velcan2, yeah, that looks ok to me (lol)
[03:21] <ubuntu_> anyone know how to set up ssh so ican send files to my windows xp computer
[03:21] <Velcan2> ~_^
[03:21] <Bico_Fino> hi? i need help with intenet share. Can help me?
[03:22] <redtech> jasoncohen, says smart support avail. Overall health passed.  Ill read that site.  ty!!
[03:22] <jasoncohen> redtech, np- hope this helps
[03:24] <Bico_Fino> hu? somebody here use ubuntu to share internet?
[03:24] <Thewrdnrd> Realistically, how unstable is breezy?
[03:24] <robertj> Thew: very
[03:24] <nickrud> Velcan2, seriously, though, that jibes with my memory
[03:24] <Thewrdnrd> Is it like Debian unstable, which I ran pretty heavily without problems?
[03:24] <robertj> Thew: no, its like Debian experimental
[03:24] <Velcan2> nickrud:  It works :)
[03:24] <r0bby> :D
[03:25] <Thewrdnrd> Ah, hmmm.
[03:25] <bramker> Bico_Fino, what problem do you have with share internet?
[03:25] <r0bby> dd is god
[03:25] <r0bby> learn how to play with it
[03:25] <Velcan2> nickrud:  now im just figuring out how to add it to a nautilus-script ;] 
[03:25] <r0bby> it will pleasure you in ways you never thought possible
[03:25] <RetroMan> whats the draw of breezy?  I dont understand?
[03:25] <r0bby> ubotu, pastebin
[03:25] <ubotu> pastebin is, like, at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[03:25] <sly> longtime no see all
[03:25] <wolfjb> How do I get X to start with GLX everytime I login, rather than every other time I login ?
[03:25] <jasoncohen> Thewrdnrd, breezy was being developed at a much faster pace than sid. For a while sid wasn't getting any radical changes at all because testing was frozen. Once sarge released, sid got quite unstable
[03:26] <nickrud> Velcan2, just write a bash script with that line, and drop the script in ~/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts
[03:26] <M509> ...
[03:26] <Bico_Fino> bramker i want share it with another pc's, its work on server. And the clients don't work. But i can ping adress(This is not a dns problem)
[03:26] <jasoncohen> Thewrdnrd, for a while- not sure if this is the case now, X didn't even work in breezy. In a month or two breezy will be in much better shape...hopefully
[03:26] <linlin> Im having trouble installing mplayer with synaptic
[03:27] <jasoncohen> linlin, what's the problem?
[03:27] <linlin> i get an error, aomething about keys
[03:27] <Thewrdnrd> Oh, and CenterICQ is on version 4.13.0. Not sure how old that is, but it's probably about a year IIRC.
[03:27] <Velcan2> nickrud:  yea im making it so it checks if the file allready exists in /usr/share/pixmaps/splash/; copies it there if not; and then sets it as splash
[03:27] <Thewrdnrd> So I'm just wondering if there's something like testing, or a source of newer packages smewhere?
[03:27] <jasoncohen> linlin, did you enable some unofficial repositories?
[03:28] <Bico_Fino> bramker the rule iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -s 192.168.0.0/24 -j MASQUERADE. I have 2 NICs. One 192.168.0.1(local network) and another to connect the dsl
[03:28] <Velcan2> nickrud:  if i only knew how to also check if the file is an image :-\
[03:28] <nickrud> Velcan2, have you taken a look at zenity yet? It gives you some gui dialogs that might be useful
[03:28] <Velcan2> ^_^
[03:28] <vader1102> ok, I cannot see any pc's on my workgroup... I have installed smb and smbfs, but this is where I am stuck any help?
[03:28] <wolfjb> if I login and type glxinfo | grep direct, if I get direct rendering: No, I logoff and login again and I'll get direct rendering: Yes. Logging off and back on again gets me direct rendering: No
[03:28] <Velcan2> yes :)
[03:28] <Velcan2> love it
[03:28] <jasoncohen> Thewrdnrd, breezy will be released in october. By september it should be safe to use - at least reasonably safe
[03:28] <Velcan2> post a few wishes actually
[03:28] <Velcan2> posted*
[03:28] <wolfjb> how do I make it always be: direct rendering: Yes
[03:28] <wolfjb> ?
[03:29] <robertj> anyone know of a good channel for grammer questions?
[03:29] <builder> is Hoary a 2.4 or 2.6 kernel?
[03:29] <goldfish> 2.6
[03:29] <goldfish> i think
[03:29] <Velcan2> nickrud:  Also post a wish for nautilus-scripts to get rid of the annoying 'Scripts' submenu
[03:29] <builder> tnx
[03:30] <holycow> does anyone know if there is a tool to adjust gamma on x11?
[03:30] <M509> I recently installed doomlegacy, but I can't fingure out how to run it... help?
[03:30] <jasoncohen> ...marillat does it again
[03:30] <jasoncohen> heh
[03:30] <nickrud> Velcan2, I can live with that: at times in the past, I've had submenu's in scripts. Over the years, I've moved away from that as gnome got more integrated
[03:30] <erisco> hello, I was wondering how I can get into my data base with a terminal
[03:30] <erisco> i am mysql
[03:30] <erisco> have mysql i mean
[03:31] <Cin> ubuntu's res setting only allows up to 1024x768, but my cars capable of 1280x1024... how do i change it so i can get that?
[03:31] <M509> Can someone help me run doomlegacy?
[03:31] <M509> please?
[03:31] <RetroMan> Cin - you have to edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[03:31] <Velcan2> nickrud:  yea. i have certain scripts that i want in submenus which we can create. but there are a few i would like to just have in my default right-click menu
[03:32] <RetroMan> (or XFree86-4 file, if youre using xfree86)
[03:32] <Cin> i tried adding "1280" on there... but it seemed not to change when i restarted x :O
[03:32] <Velcan2> nickrud:  ones that i use more often
[03:33] <holycow> nvidia-settings package will let all those running nvidia cards to change gamma, brightness and contrast
[03:33] <Agamotto> holycow:  Yes, a minor god-send for those of us who are photo-sensitive
[03:34] <holycow> Agamotto, hehe i am watching existenz, it's not been properly calibrated before release to production
[03:34] <Ohpoo> woot! I did #sudo apt-get clean . Now I got 33.5gig free space instead of 33.4gig. :)
[03:35] <abarbaccia> 100MB - costs like .10
[03:35] <Cin> clean... is that unused packages?
[03:35] <nalioth> nickrud: you sneak in here?
[03:35] <crimsun> Cin: no, those are ones in the downloaded cache
[03:35] <nickrud> heh, a little here and there
[03:36] <SquareGuy> well i can say that the radeon drivers at ati's site are working much, much faster than what shipped with 5.05
[03:36] <Cin> ahhh
[03:36] <crimsun> Cin: "autoclean" would be the unused ones in the downloaded cache
[03:36] <Cin> so it's completely safe to do?
[03:36] <Ohpoo> I did both autoclean and clean
[03:36] <crimsun> Ohpoo: clean implies autoclean
[03:36] <Cin> lol
[03:36] <M509> can someone helop me with getting doomlegacy to run?
[03:37] <wolfjb> SquareGuy, I'm using a Radeon 9200, but direct rendering seems to only be enabled every second time I login, have you had that problem?
[03:37] <vader1102> crimsun: I have a small question for you... I want to put my ubuntu laptop on my workgroup, I have samba and smbfs installed but that is where I stop because I don;t know what to do next
[03:37] <SquareGuy> wolfjb, no i haven't had that problem.  did you use Ubuntus fglrx drivers then switch to ATI's at some point?
[03:37] <Ohpoo> crimsun, so it does both huh?
[03:38] <Jimbob> vader1102: Is it a workgroup or a full-on domain?
[03:38] <crimsun> Ohpoo: clean is far more thorough
[03:38] <vader1102> workgroup
[03:38] <wolfjb> SquareGuy, I used ATI's the entire time
[03:38] <ubuntu_> does anyone know how to run ssh
[03:38] <crimsun> ubuntu_: ssh <host>
[03:38] <crimsun> ubuntu_: please see man ssh
[03:39] <Jimbob> vader1102: Ok, just edit your /etc/samba/smb.conf to set your workgroup and netbios name and off you go
[03:39] <crimsun> (unless you mean sshd, in which case you want to man sshd)
[03:39] <Ohpoo> crimsun, cool
[03:39] <Cin> oh yeah, so if i add "1280" to my xorg.conf and restart x it should allow me to set my res to that on the menu, right?
[03:39] <wolfjb> SquareGuy, doh, actually I only thought I was using them, I seem to have ubuntu's version installed
[03:39] <spartas> ubuntu_, if you mean sshd, you will need to apt-get install sshd
[03:39] <SquareGuy> wolfjb, okay well that isnt it.  i used the ones from Ubuntu then switched and Ubuntu decided to leave a copy of its fglrx laying around.  I had to manually remove it
[03:39] <crimsun> spartas: openssh-server, please.
[03:39] <ubuntu_> yea i did tha already
[03:39] <nalioth> ubuntu_: the sshd package is actually called "openssh-server"
[03:40] <wolfjb> SquareGuy, thanks, I'll give that a try
[03:40] <SquareGuy> wolfjb, well i can say that ATI's work.  its about a 35mb dl for the .run file
[03:40] <mobus> I installed doomlegacy on ubuntu, but I can't seem to get it to run.  Can someone help me with this?
[03:40] <SquareGuy> wolfjb, watch for this
[03:40] <file> anyone know about using 2 monitors in gnome?
[03:40] <Agamotto> mobus:  Do you have the data files?
[03:40] <Bico_Fino> somebody here use ubuntu to share internet?
[03:40] <mobus> what data files?
[03:40] <Agamotto> The data files for the levels
[03:41] <mobus> I got it from the package manager
[03:41] <spartas> crimsun, sorry, i meant to type just ssh, which depends on openssh-server
[03:41] <Agamotto> The engine is open, but you need level data to create a game
[03:41] <ubuntu_> ah im lost, all im tryin to do is send files from a ruined xp install towtwork anotherpc on my net
[03:41] <ubuntu_> trying to send 5 gigs of files to an xp box on my network
[03:41] <mobus> ok... where can I get the level data?
[03:42] <mobus> and why don't I get an error messge when I type #doomlegacy?
[03:42] <SquareGuy> wolfjb, uninstall what you have with synaptic then make sure there are no fglrx files anywhere in /lib/modules.  make sure to have kernel headers installed, run ati's .run file the make sure to goto /lib/modules/fglrx and compile/install the module
[03:42] <nalioth> ubuntu_: use gftp, it has ssh built in
[03:42] <Agamotto> ubuntu_:    On the machine you want to send from - ssh, find the name or ip of the machine you want to send to, and go
[03:42] <Agamotto> mobus:  You pull it from the game cds, or from mod sites that have created their own
[03:43] <Amaranth> sounds like he wants samba
[03:43] <SquareGuy> wolfjb, and also make sure to backup xorg.conf in case you use fglrxconfig and it pooches it.  i would manually edit it
[03:43] <Agamotto> Amaranth:  Yeah, but Samba can be too complicated for beginners
[03:43] <mobus> ok, but how do I pull up the program in the first place? and where would I put the WADs?
[03:44] <Zeroblitzt> Hey all, I tried Ubuntu yesterday, decided I loved it and installed it. I have a problem though. Totem video player doesn't play .mpgs for some reason (always gives me an error) and I installed MPlayer, and its playing videos at 3x speed and with no sound. Anyone know of a fix?
[03:44] <flarg3> hello
[03:44] <wolfjb> SquareGuy, great! thanks for the help
[03:44] <flarg3> have you installed all the right codecs?
[03:45] <mobus> ...
[03:45] <Agamotto> mobus:  You must have the data files before the program will do anything
[03:45] <SquareGuy> wolfjb, np i have had a lot of pain in the past with ati and linux hehe.
[03:45] <wolfjb> SquareGuy, yeah, unfortunately, so have I
[03:45] <Amaranth> Agamotto: and installing an ssh server on winxp isn't?
[03:45] <Zeroblitzt> flarg3 --> with Mplayer, I installed the "essential" codecs package
[03:45] <mobus> ok.  but when I call the program, it'll give me an error message about not having WADs, nmot an error message about bash not being able to find it
[03:46] <Zeroblitzt> I havent installed any codecs for Totem though, im running off of whatever came with the default package
[03:46] <Agamotto> mobus:  As far as where to put the WADs, read the manual for LegacyDoom
[03:46] <mobus> it says bash can't find the program in the first place
[03:46] <mobus> and where is that manual?
[03:46] <SquareGuy> wolfjb, i have actually considered spending 300 to switch over to nvidia on this laptop ;(
[03:46] <flarg3> Zeroblitzt ->mmm, goto ubuntuguide.org and find the section about codecs. Try installing some. I wouldnt recommend much else of that guide though...
[03:47] <godzirra> Is there a way to tell vim to indent html correctly? (i.e. tables, td's, and tr's are indented?)
[03:47] <wolfjb> SquareGuy, I've thought about it for my desktop too, just because of the driver issue
[03:47] <Zeroblitzt> ok, thanks, will do
[03:47] <Agamotto> Amaranth:  I haven't bothered with much under XP.  I have it for games, and that is about it
[03:47] <flarg3> no probs
[03:47] <wolfjb> SquareGuy, I just don't have an extra $300 (or whatever:) to spend on a new card right now
[03:47] <mobus> where is the legacyDoom manual/
[03:47] <Ohpoo> Agamotto, same here but I think i'm done with games now
[03:48] <godzirra> you can find an nvidia 6200 now for $100
[03:48] <Cin> i kicked x's behind
[03:48] <Cin> ^__^
[03:48] <Agamotto> mobus:  google legacydoom
[03:48] <benplaut> !find legacydoom
[03:48] <SquareGuy> wolfjb, i hear ya
[03:49] <nickrud> !info doomlegacy-sdl
[03:49] <ubotu> doomlegacy-sdl: (A port of the Doom engine that supports OpenGL), section multiverse/games, is optional. Version: 1.41release-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 429 kB, Installed size: 996 kB
[03:49] <godzirra> Is there a way to tell vim to indent html correctly? (i.e. tables, td's, and tr's are indented?)
[03:49] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'legacydoom' returned no results.
[03:50] <D1> is there wolfenstein in universe too?
[03:50] <flarg3> does anyone know how to get hotplugged disks etc to create desktop icons without restarting dbus-1?
[03:50] <crispynix-v6> anyone happen to have a working java plugin with the latest breezy? it crashes mozilla and firefox here :/ (using the java provided by backports hoary extras)
[03:50] <mobus> bash: !find legacydoom: event not found
[03:51] <mobus> same for info legacydoom-sdl
[03:51] <r0bby> :D
[03:51] <r0bby> hey vader
[03:51] <r0bby> :D
[03:52] <crispynix-v6> alternatively, can I rebuild the java plugin? how?
[03:52] <vader1102> hey r0bby
[03:52] <Bico_Fino> somebody here use ubuntu to share internet??!??!
[03:52] <Agamotto> crispynix-v6:  Reinstall via Synaptic?
[03:52] <nickrud> mobus, the !info here was asking an irc bot :) apt-cache doomlegacy-sdl will tell you more; sudo aptitude install doomlegacy-sdl will install it
[03:52] <SquareGuy> wolfjb, i should have gotten some numbers from doom3 but on glxgears it went from around 1200 to around 2300 with that driver swap
[03:52] <crispynix-v6> Agamotto: just installed sun-j2re1.5
[03:52] <wolfjb> SquareGuy, woot! that is fast!
[03:53] <Agamotto> crispynix-v6: Hmmmm
[03:53] <crispynix-v6> Agamotto: it's likely a C version problem (the plugin appears to have been built with gcc < 3.4... mozilla and firefox were probably built with 4.0)
[03:53] <nickrud> mobus, sorry, apt-cache show doomlegacy-sld
[03:53] <Ohpoo> Oh know I just put some more stuff on my hard drive. I'm up to 6% disk usage. :)
[03:53] <nickrud> mobus, sorry, apt-cache show doomlegacy-sdl duh
[03:54] <wolfjb> SquareGuy, I'm still running around 1300fps but that will change shortly when I get the right drivers installed
[03:54] <godzirra> on that note... someone help me with vim :)  can you make it autoindent HTML??
[03:54] <SquareGuy> wolfjb, yeah i got about a 2-yr old dell 8600 with 1.7 pentium m and ati radeon 9600.  i really want to build an amd 64 desktop with nvidia
[03:54] <vader1102> Jimbob: it still isn't seeing the other 2 pc's I am wondering if there is a GUI for configuring the workgroup
[03:55] <crispynix-v6> Agamotto: SOL? Is the plugin closed-source?
[03:55] <Ohpoo> wolfjb, do you mean frames per second? In what game? doom?
[03:55] <wolfjb> SquareGuy, that would be sweet. I'm living on an AMD 1700 with an ati radeon 9200. moving to a nice 64 would be kinda cool
[03:55] <Agamotto> crispynix-v6:  It appears so
[03:55] <by_ruffo> hello people!
[03:56] <Ohpoo> hello by_ruffo
[03:56] <crispynix-v6> grr, figures that when I really need browser java, it's broken. :-/
[03:56] <by_ruffo> how i can install oident ??
[03:56] <wolfjb> Ohpoo, glxgears fps, although I do well in games like RtCW, Doom 3, and Unreal Tounament2004
[03:56] <batma8> is there a place in ubuntu that works like my computer in windows where you can view the used, and total space on your hard drives?
[03:56] <Ohpoo> wolfjb, oh you mean the screen saver?
[03:57] <file> how do i use 2 monitors in ubuntu?>
[03:57] <Will_> batma8: df -h ?
[03:57] <wolfjb> Ohpoo, no, just running glxgears from the command line
[03:57] <batma8> Will_: that works
[03:57] <batma8> thanks
[03:58] <Nevado> file, do you have nvidia graphics card?
[03:58] <Ohpoo> wolfjb, cool let me try it. I got a 1.5ghz p4 , 512ram , 5900 fx
[03:58] <SquareGuy> wolfjb, i ran rtcw under cvs-cedega just to test it.  hehe kinda funny using it to play a game that has linux binaries
[03:58] <Agamotto> batma8:  Click on places, then right-click on the volume, open properties
[03:58] <file> Nevado, yes i do
[03:58] <file> 6800gt
[03:59] <wolfjb> SquareGuy, never have tried that, always use the .run file from the website...
[03:59] <wolfjb> SquareGuy, how well does that work for you?
[03:59] <Ohpoo> wolfjb, so is this good when it says this? #31665 frames in 5.0 seconds = 6333.000 FPS
[04:00] <Nevado> file, if you're using the nvidia driver then basically in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, under the device section for your graphics card, you want to add a couple of lines... hang on i'll paste mine on paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[04:00] <SquareGuy> file, i want your video card.  what did you have to pay for it?
[04:00] <wolfjb> Ohpoo, looks better than mine
[04:00] <file> i got it a while ago, 380$ agp
[04:00] <linlin> :(
[04:00] <linlin> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:00] <linlin>   transcode: Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.0-7) but 1:4.0-0pre6ubuntu7 is to be installed
[04:01] <Ohpoo> wolfjb, hmmm well now that I don't play games It really doesn't help me out lol
[04:01] <Nevado> file, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/859
[04:01] <black13> i am getting the error (EE) Couldn't load XKB keymap, failing back to pre-XKB keymap
[04:01] <black13> but i am reading that this should be non-fatal
[04:01] <file> ah i see, twin view
[04:01] <wolfjb> Ohpoo, makes gl screensavers work nicely though
[04:01] <jasoncohen> linlin, yeah- that's a problem with the transcode package
[04:02] <jasoncohen> linlin, you need to add hoary-backports
[04:02] <file> ill try it out now, thanks
[04:02] <Ohpoo> wolfjb, :). Yea I like my Screensavers
[04:02] <jasoncohen> linlin, it really should use hoary's libgcc1
[04:02] <Nevado> yeah then just semi colon separated list of resolutions for the two monitors
[04:02] <Nevado> np hope it works :)
[04:02] <gpd> Nevado: do you know how to specify which monitor is which.. I"m using twinview with a dlp projecetor and I can't tell it which is my CRT and which is the DLP?
[04:03] <by_ruffo> nothing about oident ??
[04:03] <Ohpoo> wolfjb, hey do you know alot about ram? I got 152ram and now running ubuntu It is only using 147MB of it. So if I get a gig of ram will it use more?
[04:03] <Cin> okay i'm still having my crashing problem, i thought it was due to playing music and might have something to do with the usage of my sound card until it's just crashed while i wasn't using XMMS atall and checking out screen savers... so agh, it could happen any minute *freaks*
[04:03] <vader1102> errrrrrrrr, I still cannot see any pc's on the workgroup and no one can see me
[04:03] <SquareGuy> wolfjb, actuallt it worked quite well
[04:04] <linlin> so should i jsut install transcode from source?
[04:04] <Cin> damn these spontaneous crashes
[04:04] <linlin> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[04:04] <nickrud> by_ruffo, you are probably looking for oidentd in universe, I think
[04:04] <Nevado> gpd, there are options to specify which is which somewhere yeah... hang on a min
[04:04] <linlin> is that what i need to add?
[04:05] <file> alright how do i restart my xserver or whatever
[04:05] <linlin> log out
[04:05] <wolfjb> Ohpoo, I'm not an expert, but naturally. If there is more available to use, more will be used, but it probably won't use 100% of it otherwise programs would start - or start very fast since the system would write to the page file a lot
[04:05] <linlin> log in
[04:05] <file> alright
[04:05] <file> be right back
[04:05] <jasoncohen> linlin, "sudo echo deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-backports main restricted universe multiverse" >> /etc/apt/sources.list"
[04:05] <cafuego> linlin: that doesn't restart X
[04:05] <nickrud> log out, alt-ctl-backspace, log in
[04:05] <sly> file, cntrl + alt + dl
[04:05] <Ohpoo> wolfjb, oh ok thanks
[04:05] <file> kk
[04:06] <jasoncohen> linlin, sorry, use this command instead, "sudo echo deb "http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-backports main restricted universe multiverse" >> /etc/apt/sources.list"
[04:06] <cafuego> file: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart or logout; ctrl-alt-bksp
[04:06] <Nevado> gpd, appendix I in here: ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-7174/README.txt has all the details
[04:07] <wolfjb> brb
[04:07] <linlin> same error
[04:07] <gpd> Nevado: excellnet, thanks!  one more q.  to switch between dual and single monitor I use 2 xorg.conf.xxx files and overwrite xorg.conf is there a better way to do this?
[04:07] <wolfjb> I'm back
[04:08] <Ohpoo> I"m front
[04:08] <vader1102> Jimbob: you still here?
[04:08] <wolfjb> had to switch to text mode so I can update my firegl drivers
[04:08] <wolfjb> :-)
[04:08] <cafuego> gpd: You could write a script to switch between xorg.conf's
[04:08] <Nevado> gpd, if you're using gnome then what I do is in the MetaModes section if you enter the resolution as NULL it will disable that monitor
[04:08] <Nevado> gpd,  so I have         Option          "MetaModes"     "1280x1024,1280x1024;1280x1024,NULL"
[04:09] <Nevado> gpd, then you can change between them in gnome by going to system -> preferences -> screen resolution
[04:09] <Mobius> any suggestions on how to flash my asus notebooks' bios? I am not having any luck
[04:09] <charles> how do I control what the HAL daemon starts when (removable) new drives are plugged in?
[04:09] <gpd> Nevado: sounds good, I'll try it ;)
[04:09] <Bico_Fino> somebody here use ubuntu to share internet??!??!
[04:09] <Agamotto> Mobius:  Have you made a flash boot-floppy?
[04:10] <Agamotto> Bico_Fino:  No, since no one has answered you yet
[04:10] <Mobius> no floppy drive on the notebook Agamotoo
[04:10] <Mobius> Agamotto*
[04:10] <Bico_Fino> Agamotto i see. i go back to slackware
[04:11] <Nevado> Bico_Fino, have you tried looking in the forums?
[04:11] <Agamotto> Mobius:  Hmmmm, I suppose you could send the floppy image to a usb key, if the notebook supports that, or a cd using SmartBootManager
[04:11] <Mobius> I tried the key, no luck - SmartBootManager?
[04:11] <Bico_Fino> Nevado yes. but is some very strange. in server works, and on clients i can ping domains and all. But don't work.
[04:11] <nickrud> Bico_Fino, look into ipmasq and firestarter, both allow internet sharing
[04:11] <Agamotto> It is a boot cd that can force computers to boot from the source you choose, if the BIOS supports it
[04:12] <Bico_Fino> nickrud i will see.
[04:12] <Cin> insanity insues
[04:12] <nalioth> nickrud: have you lost any windows lately/
[04:13] <Ohpoo> Cin, hehe
[04:13] <nickrud> nalioth, no defenestration recently no
[04:13] <Cin> Ohpoo: lol, i hate your face >____<
[04:13] <nickrud> Bico_Fino, I've toyed with ipmasq in the past, it's pretty cut and dried, if I recall correctly
[04:14] <Bico_Fino> nickrud i install it. let me try
[04:14] <Ohpoo> Cin, well just as long as it's not the rest of body
[04:14] <Cin> whoever said switching from windows to linux was a safe idea
[04:14] <Ohpoo> Cin,  of my body
[04:14] <Agamotto> Cin:  For most 'home' users, it is
[04:14] <file> aLright
[04:14] <Cin> lol
[04:14] <Cin> damn those 'home' users
[04:15] <file> Nevado, i got it kind of working im tweaking it a biyt
[04:15] <file> it worked dual screen at login, however when i got to my desktop the other monitor went to null
[04:15] <Nevado> file, check system -> preferences -> screen resolution
[04:16] <Cin> i'll wait until my linux guru friend comes online and offer to shine his shoes if he helps me
[04:16] <nalioth> nickrud: how bout PM windows?
[04:16] <nickrud> heh, I'm running breezy for a lark, and I'm not seeing any pms. A bug?
[04:16] <D1> hmmm
[04:16] <D1> breezy updated without errors
[04:16] <D1> looks like its settling down a bit.
[04:17] <Ohpoo> D1 woot. I might try it
[04:17] <Bico_Fino> nickrud i can ping sites from client, but don't browse.
[04:17] <nickrud> I'm back to hoary soon, since beagled doesn't run yet ;(
[04:17] <D1> well, that was just my experience, no gurantees.
[04:17] <file> aww nice
[04:17] <file> works good thanks
[04:17] <Nevado> awesome :)
[04:17] <nickrud> Bico_Fino, then, you probably need to deal with DNS for each client. I'm not sure I remember how to automate that
[04:18] <Bico_Fino> nickrud the dns from server and client are the same. its very strange
[04:18] <Cin> lol
[04:18] <inCo> can anyone help me? i installed limewire using an ubuntu userguide as a reference. in my previous installation it loaded up fine, but now when i click on it nothing happens
[04:18] <Bico_Fino> nickrud its begin to load the site but stop
[04:18] <jgomo> hello. Any body knows how to give java plugins for firfox without instaling the sun-j2re? I installed the kaffe pack but it doesn't have the plugins for the firefox.
[04:19] <file> thanks alot man
[04:19] <wolfjb> jgomo: have you tried gcj? I think that might work
[04:19] <nickrud> Bico_Fino, I wish I could help, but I'm pretty much a beginner when it comes to troubleshooting network stuff.
[04:19] <file> this is phat
[04:19] <Cin> i just want to do some C coding but nooo, *CRASH*
[04:20] <file> i can watch anime and do whatever the hell i want on the other screen
[04:20] <Cin> lol
[04:20] <Cin> anime, fwor
[04:20] <Bico_Fino> nickrud about the security of ubuntu. have something to change or just the ip_forward?
[04:21] <inCo> can anyone help me? i installed limewire using an ubuntu userguide as a reference. in my previous installation it loaded up fine, but now when i click on it nothing happens
[04:21] <nickrud> Bico_Fino, ask that question again later, there are people here off and on who can answer that with some authority
[04:21] <Bico_Fino> nickrud ok. tks
[04:23] <inCo> also how do i get kvric to go in my aplications menu
[04:23] <spudse> Is there a "newby save" way to install fluxbox on Ubuntu
[04:23] <spudse> ?
[04:23] <inCo> i am a new user to linux so i havent learnt much
[04:24] <Bico_Fino> nickrud the more strange is that msn and icq works. hehe
[04:24] <Cin> ... i had to beat them to death with their own shoes   O.o
[04:24] <jgomo> wolfjb: no, i haven't. But i don't think it wold work. Thats because gcj is the gnu java compiler. It is for develpment, like my kaffe. I'm looking for a webbrowser java plugin. Thanks any way. Any other idea.
[04:29] <wolfjb> jgomo: on my debian box I have two install (which may be a problem at some level) but I have a GCJ browser plugin and a Blackdown browser plugin both installed
[04:29] <wolfjb> java generally works for me on that box in firefox. Haven't tried it in ubuntu
[04:30] <Ohpoo> wolfjb, I got the java plugin for firefox
[04:30] <La_PaRCa> Is anybody having trouble with firefox and the flash plugin?
[04:30] <cafuego> inCo: Thank you for not doing that.
[04:30] <Ohpoo> La_PaRCa, let me try hmm
[04:31] <inCo> i dont understand what i did? sorry about that
[04:31] <linlin> lol
[04:31] <Bico_Fino> cool
[04:31] <cafuego> "Hmm, I wonder what this red butto**BOOM**"
[04:31] <inCo> i pressed source on kvirc, what does it do?
[04:31] <linlin> what is a ctcp source anyways
[04:31] <cafuego> inCo: it spams everyone in the channel with a ctcp.
[04:31] <inCo> damn
[04:31] <Ohpoo> La_PaRCa, it works
[04:31] <inCo> sorry guys
[04:32] <La_PaRCa> Ohpoo, um... it freezes my firefox when I close a window thats playing flash
[04:32] <inCo> i suppose thats not the way to go for me getting my question answered then :S
[04:32] <cafuego> inCo: ;-)
[04:32] <Ohpoo> La_PaRCa, what verison of firefox?
[04:32] <nickrud> inCo, nothing ventured, nothing gained
[04:32] <La_PaRCa> 1.0.6
[04:32] <Trace> hello, supporse i dd my mbr first, and can i dd my mbr back through ubuntu liveCD?
[04:32] <goldfish> lol
[04:33] <Agamotto> inCo:  That is ok, young padawan
[04:33] <Ohpoo> La_PaRCa, hmmm how did you install the flash plugin?
[04:33] <toad3030> anybody know how to get ubuntu to see an 8 button mouse?
[04:33] <La_PaRCa> apt-get flash-nonfree
[04:34] <abarbaccia> how do you install just the libraries that are needed to compile a certain package
[04:34] <inCo> if anyone knows how to help me with adding programs to the "applications" menu on gnome, and how to make limewire work when i click on it, please can you send me a PM.
[04:34] <Agamotto> 8 button? ok...
[04:34] <Ohpoo> La_PaRCa, hmm let me see something one second
[04:34] <DekaPink> Can I make VLC show a video in 4:3 aspect ratio like mplayer will? :P
[04:34] <inCo> im a linux noob
[04:34] <inCo> :)
[04:34] <ubuntu_> anyone know how to run sshd after installing it
[04:34] <Agamotto> inCo:  Ignorance can be cured
[04:34] <nickrud> inCo, you need to look into smeg, it's a gnome menu editor
[04:34] <toad3030> yes the logitech MX510 mouse
[04:35] <Agamotto> Call me wierd, but what the hell do you need 8 buttons for?
[04:35] <cafuego> toad3030: Plug it in and it'll do all the basics
[04:35] <ofer0> ubuntu_,  when you are doing "sudo apt-get install ssh"
[04:35] <toad3030> hmm....
[04:35] <Ohpoo> La_PaRCa, hmm I didn't install that version . I'll tell you what I did
[04:35] <inCo> nickrud: thanks ill look into that now, why doesnt Limewire load up when i click on it would you know?
[04:35] <ofer0> ubuntu_, it runs automaticly, and you can connect your account with your username and password
[04:36] <Dr_Fate> how do I make hdparm script run at a lower priority?
[04:36] <lunitik> cafuego, middle = pressing mouse wheel, surely?
[04:36] <cafuego> toad3030: You can use xev to tell X about the other ones; google for sample configs for an mx510 or mx700.
[04:36] <Amaranth> !smeg
[04:36] <ubotu> I heard smeg is a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[04:36] <Dr_Fate> its not waiting until the devs are recognized
[04:36] <nickrud> inCo, no, when I want that network, I use gtk-gnutella or mldonkey
[04:36] <Agamotto> cafuego:  Go into the settings, and you should be able to tell it that you have a three button, scroll mouse
[04:36] <cafuego> lunitik: yeah. Except I also have three additonal buttons near the wheel
[04:36] <Dr_Fate> although it still is dma'ing them?
[04:36] <toad3030> is there something in cedega that i have to check for it to work with all buttons? for games?
[04:36] <Amaranth> Dr_Fate: update-rc.d?
[04:37] <Ohpoo> La_PaRCa, I did this and it works fine #sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[04:37] <inCo> nickrud: thanks for your help :) much appreciated. bbiab if i get stuck again
[04:37] <Dr_Fate> Amaranth, ??
[04:37] <La_PaRCa> Ohpoo, trying that one as we speak
[04:37] <Ohpoo> La_PaRCa, sweet
[04:37] <Amaranth> Dr_Fate: man update-rc.d
[04:37] <Dr_Fate> Amaranth, its already in the boot up scripts
[04:38] <toad3030> what is a good program to watch dvd's with?
[04:38] <jgomo> wolfjb_ Well I'll try that. Thanks.
[04:38] <La_PaRCa> Ohpoo, nope, killed it too
[04:38] <lunitik> toad3030, totem  :/
[04:38] <toad3030> it won't let me
[04:38] <lunitik> toad3030, look at the wiki on the subject
[04:38] <Agamotto> mplayer
[04:39] <La_PaRCa> Ohpoo, might be something wrong with firefox, cuz mozilla is being cool about it
[04:39] <Agamotto> Xine is good as well
[04:39] <lunitik> Agamotto, mplayer uses the same codecs as totem
[04:39] <lunitik> Agamotto, without the codecs, he is gonna have issues
[04:39] <toad3030> ok thx
[04:39] <Ohpoo> La_PaRCa, yea firefox can be alittle crazy sometimes
[04:39] <Agamotto> Hmmm, never had a problem with playing DVDs on mine... I must have fetched a whole bunch of codecs with Synaptic
[04:39] <La_PaRCa> Ohpoo, Ill have to see about it
[04:39] <jasoncohen> toad3030, i find xine the best for playing DVD movies. it has good subtitle and menu support and has a nice interface for angle, menu, subtitle and other DVD features
[04:40] <jasoncohen> !multimedia
[04:40] <ubotu> methinks multimedia is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[04:40] <jasoncohen> toad3030, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[04:40] <Dr_Fate> Amaranth, do you recomend a runlevel?
[04:40] <inCo> where is the linux version of "program files" if you would
[04:40] <Sprinker> Does anyone know how to get dual display working with Gnome 2.10.0?
[04:40] <cafuego> *spin*
[04:40] <Amaranth> Dr_Fate: i dunno what those are in ubuntu
[04:40] <wolfjb> what package do I need to get the kernel headers that match my installed kernel? (2.6.10)?
[04:40] <toad3030> thx
[04:40] <lunitik> toad3030, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingCodecsToTotemHowTo
[04:40] <Amaranth> wolfjb: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[04:40] <wolfjb> the only package I can find seems to be for 2.6.7 or something
[04:40] <Burgundavia> lunitik, that is a deprecated page
[04:41] <wolfjb> Amaranth: thanks, I'll try that
[04:41] <Amaranth> wolfjb: make sure you use backticks, not quotes
[04:41] <Burgundavia> lunitik, RestrictedFormats is better
[04:41] <mark> hi, you guys are gonna hate me, but i just installed 5.04 on a machine from scratch, and am getting no sound at all.  i checked the volume and have been mucking around in alsamixer turning stuff up and looking through online help and no luck.  i've got an ensoniq soundscape (fairly generic), and everything else about this install has been super easy, even for a novice like me...  any advice would be appreciated!
[04:41] <crimsun> mark: paste the output from amixer onto paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[04:41] <Ohpoo> La_PaRCa, I find that mozilla is more stable then firefox.
[04:41] <lunitik> Burgundavia, appears to still be valid... but yeah, what you said is actually what I was thinking of...
[04:42] <mark> ok
[04:42] <La_PaRCa> Ohpoo, probably, but its a bunch heavier
[04:42] <wolfjb> mark: I had that problem once, I would turn stuff all the way up but still no sound until someone pointed out to me I still had it muted... have you checked to make sure you turned off the mute?
[04:43] <Amaranth> !sound
[04:43] <ubotu> sound is probably http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[04:43] <lunitik> Burgundavia, what I pointed to is actually what I do as a matter of fact... although, I use /usr/lib/win32 as thats what Totem looks at first...
[04:44] <mark> is the mute just in with the volume control?
[04:44] <mark> please god dont let me be that dense...
[04:44] <lunitik> haha @ this channel finally getting a bot  :)
[04:44] <lunitik> !owner
[04:44] <Burgundavia> lunitik, w32codecs makes it invalid
[04:44] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, lunitik
[04:44] <Burgundavia> lunitik, cafuego owns it
[04:44] <wolfjb> mark: in alsamixer, it is usually one of the switches below the volume control you are adjusting
[04:44] <lunitik> Burgundavia, w32codecs is just a debian package containing the codecs...
[04:45] <Fazer> Hello, does anyone know how to get the font Tahoma
[04:45] <Burgundavia> lunitik, yes
[04:45] <Fazer> or Tohamo whatever, its called.
[04:45] <wolfjb> mark: if it is the text mode version, select a chanel and hit the 'm' key, look for [MM]  at the bottom of the screen it should disappear if it isn't muted
[04:45] <mark> ubotu: is that just for multiple sounds or sounds period.  i cant hear anything, even if just one sound
[04:45] <ubotu> I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about, mark
[04:46] <lunitik> Burgundavia, unneeded, and it tends to be badly maintained... I have better luck with doing it manually... when they all go to the same place, its not necissary to have apt know about it...
[04:46] <Amaranth> !fixsound
[04:46] <ubotu> methinks fixsound is http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[04:46] <mark> cripse im talking to a bot now (slaps self)
[04:46] <Amaranth> where is this junk coming from and where is the link to the wiki?
[04:46] <Ohpoo> mark, lol it's ok
[04:46] <nickrud> !sound
[04:46] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, sound is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[04:46] <Amaranth> mark: everyone does it once
[04:46] <Amaranth> mark: it even gives human like answers when you say something it doesn't understand ;)
[04:47] <wolfjb> back in a bit
[04:47] <lunitik> cafuego, is the bot a blootbot (ala dpkg and apt...)?
[04:47] <Dr_Fate> ,y problem is I'm using hdparm.conf and it says upon boot, no device /dev/hdc
[04:47] <Dr_Fate> yet still enables dma on it
[04:47] <Amaranth> lunitik: Yes.
[04:47] <crimsun> mark: did you paste the amixer output?
[04:47] <Dr_Fate> how can I stop this notice of error?
[04:47] <mark> wolf: after twiddling in alsamixer (text version) do I need to restart my session or anything like that?
[04:47] <Amaranth> !info mozilla-firefox
[04:47] <ubotu> mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.2-0ubuntu5 (hoary), Packaged size: 8581 kB, Installed size: 24100 kB
[04:47] <Amaranth> lunitik: See?
[04:47] <Fazer> Does anyone know how to fix up the fonts so that it looks more like it is on Windows?
[04:48] <halibut> how can I format an ntfs partition from linux?
[04:48] <mark> crimsun: i pasted it to paste.ubuntulinux.nl  should i put it here too?  seemed big
[04:48] <lunitik> Amaranth, hmm... did he post the code for it? I was trying to get a blootbot going a while ago, but the package was badly maintained and I couldn't figure out how to get it running currectly...
[04:48] <nickrud> Dr_Fate, that is normal: hdparm is run during startup before the cdrom kernel module is loaded
[04:48] <file> would u like to touch my hairy package?
[04:49] <lunitik> file, not funny.
[04:49] <Amaranth> lunitik: *shrug*
[04:49] <file> hax
[04:49] <Dr_Fate> nickrud, how can I have hdparm.conf run after the kernel module is loaded?
[04:49] <lunitik> Amaranth, ahh... guess I can wait till cafuego gets back... thanks though  :)
[04:49] <nickrud> Dr_Fate, you can rerun hdparm later; a sec
[04:50] <Dr_Fate> nickrud, can't I also just change it runlevel?
[04:50] <Fazer> Does anyone know where i can get tahoma font?
[04:51] <Agamotto> Fazer:  sudo apt-get install msfonts
[04:54] <Amaranth> Fazer: You can't.
[04:54] <Agamotto> Ohpoo, it isn't in that package?
[04:54] <crimsun> mark: amixer sset 'External Amplifier' on
[04:54] <nickrud> Dr_Fate, you can do sudo ln -s /etc/init.d/hdparm /etc/rc2.d/S91hdparm ; that's a hack, but it will work
[04:54] <Amaranth> Fazer: Installing msttcorefonts will get you andale mono, arial black, arial, comic sans, courier new, georgia, impact, times new roman, trebuchet, verdana, and webdings
[04:54] <mark> crimsun: i think it is, but will check
[04:54] <Dr_Fate> nickrud, thank you
[04:54] <halibut> how can I remove an ntfs partition (to be marked as free space) from linux then?
[04:54] <nickrud> Dr_Fate, it just runs the same hdparm configuration again, after the cdrom module is loaded
[04:54] <Amaranth> halibut: gparted
[04:54] <Fazer> Amaranth: But Agamotto suggested something...
[04:54] <mark> crimsun:  was off, now it's on, do i need to restart my session or anything like that to commit the change?
[04:54] <Fazer> Agamotto: Actually I remember installing that package some time ago but I don't think that has Tahoma...does it have it on yours?
[04:54] <Amaranth> Fazer: And admitted he was wrong less than a minute later. :)
[04:54] <Agamotto> Fazer:  Nope, I just checked
[04:54] <Amaranth> msfonts doesn't exist, it's msttcorefonts
[04:54] <crimsun> mark: nope, just test with an audio program
[04:54] <Dr_Fate> nickrud, it seems to run again anyway as dma is enabled after boot. I want it not to run at all before the kernel modules load, how to do that?
[04:54] <Fazer> I was reading the forums and someone seems to have it.
[04:54] <Fazer> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=243213&postcount=2
[04:54] <arathald> each time i reconfigure xserver, i set it to run 1600x1200@60hz, but whenever I go to the resolution settings, it goes back to 1280x1024 (i down it to 1024x768 cause 1280x1024 is alll out of shape on the mon i have setup for 1600x1200, my windows res)
[04:54] <Ohpoo> Agamotto, oh sorry what was you talking about?
[04:54] <erisco> i can never seem to locate files in the terminal....
[04:54] <erisco> i am trying to upload something to mysql
[04:54] <nickrud> Dr_Fate, I'm not sure why you would want to do that: why not have your hard disks optomized as early as possble (unless I'm totally missing your intent)
[04:54] <lunitik> erisco, whereis is your friend
[04:54] <mark> crimsun:  no dice...
[04:54] <Belutz> erisco: try using slocate ?
[04:55] <erisco> and the path should be /home/eric/pet.txt
[04:55] <erisco> but it won't locate it
[04:55] <erisco> slocate?
[04:55] <crimsun> mark: ok, mute External Amplifier and Headphones
[04:55] <Belutz> slocate <filename>
[04:55] <Amaranth> Fazer: You can copy it from a windows install, sure.
[04:55] <mark> crimsun:  will do
[04:55] <cafuego> erisco: Did you run pdatedb'since creating that file?
[04:55] <Dr_Fate> nickrud, it appears they are trying to optimize the HDs just a tad too early? I want them to wait like 10 nanoseconds later
[04:55] <PurpleMotion> DAlnet's always so screwed up
[04:56] <Dr_Fate> LOL
[04:56] <Ohpoo> arathald, my guess is it might be the driver you are using. Do you have a good video card?
[04:56] <Amaranth> PurpleMotion: This is why we aren't on dalnet. :)
[04:56] <cafuego> Dr_Fate: Put "sleep 1" near the top of the hdparm init script.
[05:02] <arathald> Ohpoo: nv geforce 3
[05:02] <wolfjb> woot! firegl update worked
[05:02] <Fazer> Amaranth: oh sweet, where do I copy it to though?
[05:02] <PurpleMotion> Amaranth:  tis a shame... twas once hands down the best network around
[05:02] <Ohpoo> arathald, wow that's a good one
[05:02] <Dr_Fate> cafuego, sounds good
[05:02] <nickrud> Dr_Fate, look at /etc/rcS.d ; that's where hdparm is called from initally. you can change the startup order there, if you really need to
[05:02] <Amaranth> Fazer: Open nautilus, hit Ctrl-L, and type 'fonts:///'
[05:02] <mark> crimsun: no dice...
[05:02] <Amaranth> Fazer: Drag and drop them in there.
[05:02] <mark> crimsun:  what's the command to list sound devices?
[05:02] <Fazer> Amaranth: Ah sweet, thanks
[05:02] <Ohpoo> arathald, so tell me when does it go back to the rez you don't want it to be at?
[05:02] <crimsun> mark: cat /proc/asound/cards
[05:02] <mark> crimsun: i checked earlier, and i think it may have said i have 2, which is werid since i only have one
[05:02] <crimsun> (don't paste in here)
[05:02] <mark> crimsun: thanx
[05:02] <arathald> Ohpoo: well, actually, in the gnome res selector, 1280x1024 is the highest, it acts like i told it that that was the highest res
[05:02] <Dr_Fate> nickrud, hdparm is not in my rc5.d
[05:02] <nickrud> Dr_Fate, rcS (as in ess) .d
[05:03] <cafuego> Dr_Fate: Itl be in rc2.d; since Ubuntu boots to runlevel 2 by default.
[05:03] <mark> crimsun:  yeah, to me it looks like its saying there's 2, but it's over my head.  something about a VIA card, and then the ensoniq card info.  i think i have a VIA graphics card maybe, but not audio
[05:03] <Dr_Fate> cafuego, thats weird its in neither???
[05:03] <mark> crimsun:  where can i paste it for you to look at? its only about 5 lines, but they are passing my head like a jet
[05:03] <Ohpoo> arathald, ahh yes I had that problem before. Let me see was the game installed before you made the change?
[05:03] <mark> crimsun: if you wouldn't mind that is
[05:03] <cafuego> Dr_Fate: $EDITOR /etc/init.d/hdparm
[05:03] <crimsun> mark: same pastebin
[05:03] <mark> crimsun:  cool thanx
[05:03] <arathald> Ohpoo: game?
[05:03] <Fazer> Amaranth: I think I will have to do this in Gnome because I am using Xfce
[05:03] <Ohpoo> arathald, lol sorry thought you said game haha you said gnome
[05:03] <vladuz976> can anyone here help me? i have an old HD with windows. can i somehow hook it up and configure grub so i can dual boot from two different hard drives?
[05:03] <mark> crimsun: just sent it
[05:03] <Ohpoo> arathald, hmmm did you try restarting you system. Just an idea
[05:03] <s0cks> Is there a program I could use to reformat this NTFS partition without losing ANY of the data contained within? All I wish to do is shrink the partition.
[05:03] <cafuego> vladuz976: yes, but Windows *needs* to be the primary master.
[05:03] <arathald> Ohpoo: ya did. brb- i just ran the reconfigure agn and my mouse pointer disappeared- gonna log out and back in
[05:03] <Ohpoo> ok cool
[05:03] <MrGardenHoseMan> is there any way to dual boot when installing XP after linux?
[05:03] <cafuego> s0cks: reformatting *equals* deleting all data
[05:03] <vladuz976> cafuego: so only way is to keep plugging in and out?
[05:03] <nickrud> Dr_Fate, /etc/rc2.d/S07hdparm is the link that is run
[05:03] <s0cks> cafuego : Well then, can I SHRINK the partition?
[05:03] <cafuego> MrGardenHoseMan: Yes, it involves a rescue disk and undoing the damage windows did to the MBR.
[05:03] <crimsun> mark: you have two sound chipsets, the ensoniq and the onboard.
[05:03] <crimsun> mark: I presume you wish to use the ensoniq?
[05:03] <Agamotto> MrGardenHoseMan:  Not easily, no.  Windows presumes it is the first and/or only occupant of the MBR
[05:03] <Dr_Fate> nickrud, # /etc/rc2.d/S07hdparm
[05:03] <Dr_Fate> bash: /etc/rc2.d/S07hdparm: No such file or directory
[05:03] <cafuego> s0cks: Yep. First, run a disk check; degrag; run a disk check. Then you can use 'parted' to resize
[05:03] <MrGardenHoseMan> so i'm fucked then?
[05:04] <cafuego> MrGardenHoseMan: No, restoring the MBR is trivial.
[05:04] <nickrud> Dr_Fate, ls -l /etc/rc2.d/S07hdparm, should point at /etc/init.d/hdparm
[05:04] <s0cks> cafuego : Problem.
[05:04] <mark> crimsun:  yes. but really whatever works would be ok.
[05:04] <Dr_Fate> nickrud, the link is missing
[05:04] <crimsun> mark: well, right now the onboard (Via) is the one being used...
[05:04] <MrGardenHoseMan> actually the MBR is GRUB's territory, windows hasn't touched it yet
[05:04] <s0cks> cafuego : I'm RUNNING windows on a 150 gig partition. I need to run Windows on a 110 gig partition.
[05:04] <mark> crimsun:  but the onboard one is not accessible from outside the case yet
[05:04] <s0cks> cafuego : Can I do it through windows?
[05:04] <cafuego> s0cks: Yes. Just checka dn defrag it (from within windows) and then resize from the Ubuntu CD.
[05:04] <crimsun> mark: ok, then let's do this: lsmod|grep ^snd_ens
[05:04] <mark> crimsun: is there a way to disable the via or do I have to make some holes in the back of the case
[05:05] <MrGardenHoseMan> any tutorials on how to do this the hard way?
[05:05] <crimsun> mark: what is the output from that command?
[05:05] <bimberi> MrGardenHoseMan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[05:05] <mark> crimsun:  will do
[05:05] <MrGardenHoseMan> thanks
[05:05] <cafuego> s0cks: There is no implied or other warranry on that resize operation.
[05:05] <bimberi> yw :)
[05:05] <Fazer> crimsun: do you know where fonts:/// points to?
[05:05] <cafuego> s0cks: it *may* destroy all your data.
[05:05] <nickrud> Dr_Fate, it exists on both by hoary and breezy installs. If you don't have it, well, a bug or something
[05:05] <nickrud> *my
[05:05] <s0cks> cafuego : FUCK!
[05:06] <mark> crimsun: snd_ens1371            22624  0
[05:06] <PurpleMotion> a duck
[05:06] <cafuego> s0cks: If you can risk that, disks are cheep.
[05:06] <crimsun> Fazer: all the defined font paths iirc
[05:06] <Dr_Fate> nickrud, weird how the hell is it running at boot then without the link?
[05:06] <cafuego> s/can/can't/
[05:06] <crimsun> mark: ok, go ahead and do this: sudo modprobe -r snd_ens1371
[05:06] <Fazer> crimsun: sorry?
[05:06] <mark> crimsun: will do
[05:06] <s0cks> cafuego : My main problem with it is that I need all this data for my job.
[05:06] <cafuego> s0cks: Just get a new hdd then
[05:06] <crimsun> Fazer: your Xorg conffile has font paths defined
[05:07] <s0cks> cafuego : Can you send 50 bucks to my paypal account?
[05:07] <Fazer> crimsun: Ah, I see
[05:07] <zxmpulse> hello
[05:07] <Fazer> crimsun: Mind telling me where the .conf file would be ?
[05:07] <Ohpoo> I could use 50bucks too
[05:07] <nickrud> Dr_Fate, another link. I just have a decent grip on how the debian/ubuntu devels use the sysv init, expect that link.
[05:07] <Fazer> x11/ ?
[05:07] <cafuego> s0cks: Why would I do that? *YOU* have a job!
[05:07] <crimsun> Fazer: /etc/X11/xorg.conf. You don't need to change it, though...
[05:07] <Fazer> er xorg.conf?
[05:07] <mark> crimsun: just did it
[05:07] <Fazer> crimsun: ah yeah, found it.  Just need the path
[05:07] <s0cks> cafuego : Because I had to spend 3000 dollars on my car in the last month?
[05:08] <Dr_Fate> nickrud, I just made this link lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 18 2005-07-31 23:06 S07hdparm -> /etc/init.d/hdparm
[05:08] <crimsun> mark: ok, now: lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*
[05:08] <Dr_Fate> nickrud, but I'd like to track down the other one
[05:08] <nickrud> Dr_Fate, in which directory?
[05:08] <mark> crimsun: done
[05:08] <cafuego> s0cks: Dude, if it costs that much to maintain, get a new car too.
[05:08] <crimsun> mark: pastebin the output?
[05:09] <Dr_Fate> nickrud, wherever it is, I could not find the link until I made it
[05:09] <s0cks> cafuego : Kiss my ass. Buy me a hard drive, and I'll get a new car.
[05:09] <mark> crimsun:  will do
[05:09] <Dr_Fate> nickrud, but one had to exist in order for it to have run
[05:09] <aru> how about you guys maintain your car and language in offtopic
[05:09] <mark> crimsun:  wait a sec, there was no output.  had to do it twice to be sure
[05:09] <Burgundavia> s0cks, please remember the code of conduct
[05:09] <cafuego> s0cks: if you _can't_ lose that data, you'll need a new HD. No amount of getting angry with _me_ is going to change that.
[05:10] <crimsun> mark: ok, then you can do this: sudo modprobe -r snd_via82xx
[05:10] <mark> crimsun: will do
[05:10] <Zoot> would anyone happen to know if Xorg spinning CPU at 99.9% is a known issue?
[05:10] <cafuego> s0cks: You're more than werlcome to risk a resize and I'm sure it works fine in 98 out of 100 cases. Just be warned it *may* fail.
[05:11] <nickrud> Dr_Fate, a quick primer (and a grossly oversimplifed one, since it's the one I use) the kernel calls init, which runs the links rcS.d, and then calls the ones in rc2.d (normal startup). Follow those, and you'll see where hdparm is getting called.
[05:11] <mark> crimsun:  i got "FATAL: Module snd_via82xx is in use."
[05:11] <bpilgrim1979> test
[05:11] <Fazer> crimsun: when I have copied over the font, do I have to restart anything?
[05:11] <Ohpoo> arathald, welcome back
[05:11] <arathald> Ohpoo: well, I reconfigured xserver again, and this time it workes, and now im up at my full 1600x1200
[05:11] <crimsun> mark: hmm, are you _sure_ that lsof command had no output? (lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/* )
[05:11] <crimsun> Fazer: no
[05:12] <Ohpoo> arathald, cheers!
[05:12] <mark> crimsun:  let me try one more time
[05:12] <Fazer> crimsun: ah okay.
[05:12] <arathald> Ohpoo: yeah, thanks anyways
[05:12] <Dr_Fate> cafuego, nickrud , I've made this link, and put sleep 1 in the file
[05:12] <Dr_Fate> found them
[05:12] <Dr_Fate> nickrud, it was in rc.d and rc.6!
[05:12] <arathald> Ohpoo: now i have to figure out how to get my dual monitors working :P
[05:12] <Ohpoo> arathald, I have no idea on that one :)
[05:13] <Dr_Fate> nickrud, and rc0.d ??
[05:13] <arathald> Ohpoo: I had dual on windows (im on dual boot) and that really screwed up the installation the first time cause the primary system was my secondary windows
[05:13] <arathald> Ohpoo: so i had to physically remove it and reinstall ubuntu
[05:13] <mark> crimsun:  i don't get it, i just typed the command, no output, but when I cut and pasted, I got output.  and I swear to god no typos.  anyways, pasting now
[05:14] <Ohpoo> arathald, ouch
[05:14] <mark> crimsun: just pasted.  thanx
[05:14] <Dr_Fate> cafuego, in /etc/init.d/rc0.d and rc6.d they were named K75hdparm wtf is that?
[05:14] <nickrud> Dr_Fate, those are all kill (shutdown) calls to the scripts in /etc/init.d/ ; 6 is shutdown, and 0 is reboot
[05:14] <Dr_Fate> oh
[05:15] <Dr_Fate> nickrud, I'm goin gto reboot now, and see what happens
[05:15] <cafuego> Dr_Fate: They're just links to the same script. The K (or S) and the number control when they run and in what order.
[05:16] <crimsun> mark: ah, esd. Ok, go to System> Preferences> Sounds> uncheck Enable sound server startup
[05:16] <transgress> who knows how to make totem see my w32codecs?
[05:16] <mark> crimsun: done
[05:17] <Ohpoo> transgress, did you install totem-xine?
[05:17] <transgress> Ohpoo: no.
[05:17] <crimsun> mark: now that lsof command should return nothing
[05:17] <Ohpoo> transgress, mine didn't work eaither untill I installed totem-xine
[05:17] <mark> crimsun:  yes, just reran it and nothing
[05:18] <digitalfox> is there a plan for an XF86Config frontend in Breezy?
[05:18] <transgress> Ohpoo: thanks for the tip
[05:19] <Ohpoo> transgress, np
[05:19] <crimsun> mark: ok, now sudo modprobe -r snd_via82xx
[05:19] <tiglionabbit> the package "Totem" is a metapackage that has nothing in it.  By default it installs totem-gstreamer, which uses the gstreamer libraries to add multimedia support (gstreamer0.8-plugins).  You can replace totem-gstreamer with totem-xine to use the xine engine instead, which seems to understand the codecs
[05:19] <Burgundavia> digitalfox, you mean a gtk one?
[05:19] <cafuego> digitalfox: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:19] <digitalfox> yes
[05:19] <Burgundavia> digitalfox, there is nothing officially planned
[05:19] <digitalfox> dang
[05:19] <mark> crimsun:  it returned "FATAL: Module snd_via82x not found."
[05:19] <digitalfox> it is needed
[05:19] <Agamotto> What, praytell, is Breezy?
[05:20] <crimsun> mark: you missed an 'x'
[05:20] <digitalfox> Agamotto, next release of Ubuntu
[05:20] <cafuego> There is no reason to assume $USER knows how to configure X any better than a piece of perl script ;-)
[05:20] <Burgundavia> Agamotto, the next version of Ubuntu, due for release in Oct 2005
[05:20] <Agamotto> Ahhh
[05:20] <Agamotto> That soon....
[05:20] <Ohpoo> tiglionabbit, cool thanks for info. Now i know how it works
[05:20] <Burgundavia> cafuego, a nice gtk dialog would be nice
[05:20] <digitalfox> cafuego, I don't want to have to go into my xorg.conf and manually uncomment DontZap
[05:20] <cafuego> From experience I'd say perl know better 95% of the time.
[05:20] <mark> crimsun:  d'oh!  my bad...  it returned: "FATAL: Module snd_via82xx is in use."
[05:20] <digitalfox> which is something that shouldn't be enabled by default anyway
[05:21] <digitalfox> cafuego, what happens when the user puts in a new card?
[05:21] <digitalfox> also, Xorg should have a fallback driver
[05:21] <digitalfox> but that's more on Xorg's end I'm sure
[05:21] <Agamotto> digitafox:  I am sure it will be there in the next few iterations
[05:21] <digitalfox> it should always drop back to vesa when the "right" driver breaks
[05:21] <crimsun> mark: still? What does that lsof command return?
[05:21] <cafuego> digitalfox: Now you're assuming vesa always works.
[05:21] <Burgundavia> digitalfox, there was a post to the ubuntu-devel list about one
[05:21] <Burgundavia> cafuego, vesa almost always works
[05:22] <cafuego> Maybe xvfb
[05:22] <cafuego> Burgundavia: *almost*
[05:22] <mark> crimsun: it is not returning anything
[05:22] <digitalfox> xvfb would be the tertiary fallback :p
[05:22] <digitalfox> that's... way too primitive XD
[05:22] <Agamotto> xvfb.... ick
[05:22] <dek> HOLA
[05:22] <Burgundavia> regardless of what it does, any graphical utilty must not leave someone with a broken X
[05:22] <digitalfox> <selected driver> --> vesa --> vga --> xvfb
[05:22] <digitalfox> I agree.
[05:23] <cafuego> Burgundavia: Hmm. There goes breezy out the window ;-)
[05:23] <Razor-X> I can't wait to have my own mailserver ;)
[05:23] <cafuego> Oh, interesting.
[05:23] <nickrud> Razor-X, use exim, it's simpler ;
[05:24] <cafuego> firefox on breezy appears to have lost all menus.
[05:24] <mark> crimsun:  just dblchking you meant the "lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*" command
[05:24] <Razor-X> nickrud: so? meh
[05:24] <crimsun> mark: yep
[05:24] <mark> crimsun: yeah its returning nothing now
[05:24] <Razor-X> qmail is powerful, andi 'll either figure this out or flounder trying
[05:24] <nickrud> gotta love that scripting work
[05:24] <Razor-X> s/andi 'll/and i'll/
[05:24] <Razor-X> i'm _hoping_ I don't do the latter
[05:24] <crimsun> mark: ok, let's go ahead and do this, then: echo "options snd-via82xx index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[05:25] <cafuego> Razor-X: Why don't you pick one that won't require recompiling whenever there's a security update?
[05:25] <Razor-X> cafuego: because i've heard a lot about qmail, I guess
[05:25] <cafuego> (eg: has a decent license?)
[05:25] <Burgundavia> digitalfox, http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-July/009284.html
[05:25] <cafuego> Razor-X: <heh> Have you heard more about Windows than about qmail?
[05:25] <mark> crimsun: ok
[05:25] <Razor-X> cafuego: ;)
[05:25] <Burgundavia> digitalfox, and http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-July/009293.html
[05:25] <Razor-X> you got me there
[05:26] <cafuego> Razor-X: What sort of mail system you going to run?
[05:26] <mark> crimsun: it returned that string in quotes
[05:26] <benplaut> darn
[05:26] <digitalfox> Burgundavia, thanks
[05:26] <benplaut> you can't use bold in your nick :P
[05:26] <Razor-X> cafuego: a single user one
[05:26] <Razor-X> it's going to be pour moi
[05:26] <Razor-X> and no-one else
[05:26] <crimsun> mark: good. I think it's easiest now to simply reboot.
[05:27] <mark> crimsun: ok,  brb..  and thanx for yr help
[05:27] <ericvw> can someone help me get my firewire working in ubuntu?
[05:28] <cafuego> Alright. Time to get to work fater 5 days of doing nothing.
[05:29] <Christophe971>  wow so much people
[05:29] <ericvw> i need some assistance with getting my firewire working; any help would be appreciated
[05:29] <nickrud> most of aren't really here tho
[05:29] <Christophe971> kikdijon> ey wassup
[05:29] <erisco> hello, i was wondering how to check if my graphics card is installed?
[05:29] <erisco> any terminal command for that?
[05:30] <Razor-X> erisco: i'm pretty sure it's installed if you're using X
[05:30] <nickrud> erisco, sudo lspci -v will tell you pretty much all about cards plugged into your bus
[05:30] <arathald> how do I login as root? I tried and the password I have (the one i use for sudo) doesn't work for logging into root
[05:30] <Christophe971> how old is the Gcard
[05:30] <kikdijon> Christophe971, > tien, salu
[05:31] <jazzanova> i have a dvd that i can't play. i can play other dvds. what should i do ?
[05:31] <Christophe971> kikdijon> in english!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:31] <_frank> It's ALIVE!!!! my wlan card was pretty painless to setup! (Atheros chipset chosen on purpose) but the settings don't seem to stick after I leave kcontrol. If I can't figure it out , at least I have you guys so everything should go well.
[05:31] <kikdijon> Christophe971, > ah ouais, sorry lol
[05:31] <troy> are there any instructions for creating a custom install disk? (EG: tweak install packages)
[05:31] <mark> crimsun: you are the man!  thanks so much!  sound is working now!
[05:31] <Ohpoo> arathald, why do you want to login a root?
[05:31] <nickrud> jazzanova, use it as a coaster?
[05:31] <Ohpoo> arathald, as
[05:31] <ericvw> how can iget my firewire to work?
[05:31] <arathald> Ohpoo: to edit my xorg.conf
[05:31] <ericvw> i have it built in, but ubuntu doesn't seem to be recognizing it
[05:31] <jazzanova> nickrud: why wouldn't it play ? its a new dvd.
[05:32] <ericvw> (out of the box that is)
[05:32] <racoon97> ouais quoi qui y a d'exceptionnel ici hein ?!!!
[05:32] <Ohpoo> arathald, #sudo gedit then the path works
[05:33] <mark> crimsun: i'm sure i'll be back as I fine new stuff to break ;)  but seriously, thanks a ton.  My wife was seriously starting to doubt my repeated "No, it's better than windows!"
[05:33] <Burgundavia> racoon97, #ubuntu-fr
[05:33] <arathald> Ohpoo: ok, thx
[05:33] <Ohpoo> arathald, np
[05:33] <nickrud> jazzanova, a bad joke, I'm not really up on the ins and outs of illegally reading dvd
[05:33] <nickrud> s
[05:33] <Tribune> j #kubuntu
[05:33] <crimsun> mark: excellent
[05:33] <toran> hey guys, is there any software I could use to edit an mpeg file?
[05:33] <jazzanova> why is it illegal ?
[05:33] <jazzanova> whats illegal about it ?
[05:33] <mark> good night everyone, and praise jah for this forum!
[05:34] <Une-ga-dihi> cafuego:
[05:34] <jazzanova> if i was running windows, would i be able to play it ?
[05:34] <Ohpoo> arathald, /etc/X11/xorg.conf is it
[05:34] <racoon97> Burgundavia> ah ca va hein .. si pon peu pas rigoler de temps en temps  lol
[05:34] <Dr_Fate> cafuego: whats that sleep parameter again, I keep getting invalid seperator?
[05:34] <Ohpoo> arathald, #sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:34] <Tribune> hi. how to sudo apt-get all ubuntu package?
[05:34] <arathald> Ohpoo: ya- got it- thx
[05:35] <Ohpoo> arathald, np :)
[05:35] <arathald> Ohpoo: and yes, i did back it up first :P
[05:35] <InvertedDonkey> i have just installed ubuntu and was wondering if there was any way to move the screen display to the left because it is off center
[05:35] <Ohpoo> arathald, oops forgot to mention that haha
[05:35] <Ohpoo> arathald, hmm also I think it backs it up auto when you save it
[05:35] <arathald> Ohpoo: hey, i may be clueless in 'nix, but ive been on win and dos since before i can remember
[05:36] <_frank> InvertedDonkey: probablt with monitor settings on the monitor itself
[05:36] <Ohpoo> arathald, but not sure
[05:36] <Ohpoo> arathald, hehe yes I remember playing games in dos :)
[05:36] <InvertedDonkey> good call
[05:37] <InvertedDonkey> thanks
[05:37] <cs378> is there a way to see chinese characters in application like beep-media-player? cuz my desktop windows mp3s is all in chinese.
[05:38] <ericvw> can someone help me get my firewire working?
[05:38] <Dr_Fate> nickrud: do you know the proper syntax for the sleep parameter in hdparm.conf
[05:39] <nickrud> Dr_Fate, you probably would put your sleep (delay) in /etc/init.d/hdparm, in the startup section. Personally, I don't think that's something you want to do
[05:40] <cs378> i have searched the ubuntuforum but no luck
[05:40] <Nomad_1> Is there a program native to ubuntu for checking your system's temperatures?
[05:40] <n1xt3r> ericv: I think noone will answer because you haven't proved that you've done your research, by asking the same question repeatedly. My advice, start with google.com and mailing lists
[05:40] <ericvw> thanks
[05:42] <jazzanova> i am having trouble getting skype to work, it can't write to the audio device.
[05:42] <Agamotto> Nomad_1:  I don't know if it is considered native, but I use gkrellm for my monitoring
[05:43] <oni_> my girlfriend is getting problems with a PS/2 mouse
[05:43] <oni_> it doesn't move, somebody know ho to fix it?
[05:43] <jazzanova> she needs a joystick
[05:43] <jazzanova> :)
[05:43] <oni_> 
[05:43] <nickrud> jazzanova, maybe will help https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary?highlight=%28sound%29
[05:44] <Agamotto> oni_:  As stupid as it sounds, did you start by cleaning it?
[05:44] <Nomad_1> I was looking at gkrellm but it seems only to support I386. Atleast that's the only arch. that I've seen on the site. (Mind you I didn't look too hard and got frustrated after looking for a dpkg or RPM for the i86_64 arch. and wasn't having any luck)
[05:44] <nickrud> lol, get out the eraser :)
[05:44] <oni_> he it's not the problem, we've tried 2 ps/2 mouses, same problem, the cursor doesn' move
[05:44] <black13> any ideas what causes The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports:
[05:45] <Razor-X> hmmmm
[05:45] <black13> Error: Cannot open "compiled/server-0.xkm"
[05:45] <Dr_Melectaus> Whats a good FTP server i can put on my ubuntu laptop, thats free, simple, and easy to use
[05:45] <transgress> http://www.aeonflux.com/  can anyone load that site properly?  i only see about 1/3 of it and the rest is gray
[05:45] <deprave> what are some fun things to install and play with on ubuntu?
[05:46] <oni_> hey, anyone know why ps/2 mouses doesn't work in ubuntu?
[05:46] <Nomad_1> Another problem for me is I haven't taken the time to read up on how to install under linux. That's why I'm looking for a native solution :).
[05:46] <Razor-X> when telling qmail my hostname, do I have to have an external address, save my IP, or will lack of that limit email to only local?
[05:46] <jazzanova> thanks
[05:46] <black13> i love that show ...
[05:47] <Agamotto> oni_:  Can you be more specific?  What mouse precisely?
[05:47] <Nomad_1> (Note: I have the docs I need to read either bookmarked or stored on my computer for basic linux usage. Just need to take the time to read them :). )
[05:47] <Ohpoo> wow apt-get is powerfull! Synaptic seems about the same too hehe. But which one is better?
[05:47] <nickrud> Ohpoo, synaptic, hands down
[05:47] <Razor-X> Ohpoo: the command-line is generally better in power
[05:47] <Razor-X> try aptiude though, it's better than both, IMO ;)
[05:47] <oni_> Agamotto: it's an A4Tech, but I think it's not the model
[05:48] <Agamotto> Same thing.  Synpaptic is a graphic front-end for apt-get, which lists whatever you filter with
[05:48] <Razor-X> nickrud: any ideas on the hostname thing?
[05:48] <nickrud> synaptic has aptitude, Raptoid
[05:48] <nickrud> synaptic has aptitude, Razor-X ,sorry Raptoid
[05:48] <Razor-X> hehe
[05:48] <Dr_Fate> cafuego, sleep parameter?
[05:48] <jasoncohen> Ohpoo, it depends if you like the command line or not
[05:48] <Razor-X> nickrud: any ideas on the hostname thing? because i'm pretty sure you need that in exim
[05:48] <nickrud> Razor-X, no, I use exim for the prior work
[05:48] <Razor-X> hmmm.....
[05:48] <Agamotto> Nomad_1:  At least you are trying to do it yourself, instead of just whining "it's broken, fix it"
[05:49] <nickrud> brainless, me, exim coddles
[05:49] <Razor-X> Nomad_1: try and compile it yourself
[05:49] <jasoncohen> Ohpoo, synaptic is a very nice gui for installing applications but apt-get can also install build dependencies and install & build from source (if you have deb-src lines enabled). you can do everything through apt-get that you can do with synaptic and more
[05:49] <jasoncohen> for most users synaptic is the better choice
[05:49] <Ohpoo> jasoncohen, coll
[05:49] <Ohpoo> jasoncohen, cool
[05:49] <Dr_Melectaus> Whats a good FTP server i can put on my ubuntu laptop, thats free, simple, and easy to use and has a GUI
[05:50] <Nomad_1> Agamotto: Thanks, I try as best I can to be self relient when it comes to Linux but there's times when either I'm too lazy or frustrated to do the research and just come here and ask.
[05:50] <nickrud> jasoncohen, then, use aptitude for apt-get
[05:50] <jasoncohen> aptitude and apt-get are both frontends
[05:50] <Razor-X> aptitude is much better than apt-get, IMHO
[05:50] <jasoncohen> what do you mean use aptitude for apt-get
[05:50] <Razor-X> yeah, they're both frontends to dpkg
[05:50] <Razor-X> along with the horribly deprecated dselect
[05:50] <Nomad_1> Razor-X: I have next to no linux experience. Compiling under it seems like something I shouldn't mess around with until I'm more familier with the structure of a linux system
[05:50] <black13> Razor-X did you get that thing i sent you?
[05:50] <Razor-X> jasoncohen: aptitude is another package manager frontend
[05:50] <jasoncohen> Razor-X, i know
[05:51] <jasoncohen> i've used all 3
[05:51] <Agamotto> Nomad_1:  I can understand... I used to be an Amiga user
[05:51] <Razor-X> Nomad_1: now would be a nice time to do some reading ;)
[05:51] <shammy> does anyone here have ubuntu running with an ati radion x700 pro video card?
[05:51] <Razor-X> but, after that, it will be nicer
[05:51] <shammy> i have come to the conclusion that it is not supported by X very well at all
[05:51] <nickrud> I used dselect a few times, then discovered aptitude. I really like the automatic package tracking
[05:51] <Razor-X> compilation has become dog simple these days (unless you're compiling qmail, like me)
[05:51] <maxy_noob> Is there a syncronization possibility in ubuntu as in windows?
[05:51] <Razor-X> dselect was horrible
[05:51] <jasoncohen> nickrud, what do you mean automatic package tracking?
[05:51] <maxy_noob> I'd like to sync my laptop files with those on my desktop
[05:52] <Dr_Melectaus> could someone tell me a good FTP server i can put on my ubuntu laptop, thats free, simple, and easy to use
[05:52] <Dr_Melectaus> and has a gui
[05:52] <jasoncohen> dselect is nice if you want to install the same packages on two machines
[05:52] <Razor-X> Dr_Melectaus: very few servers in Linux use a GUI
[05:52] <Nomad_1> Razor-X: Lol, you're right. But a question that comes to mind that I wouldn't know where to find the answer to: Would compiling in myself, but without making any changes to the code, solve the arch. compatability issue or would that be a solution?
[05:52] <Razor-X> Nomad_1: compilation should solve the problem
[05:52] <Nomad_1> Agamotto: What do you mean by Amiga user?
[05:53] <Razor-X> and then, you can make a .deb for the rest of the community ;)
[05:53] <nickrud> jasoncohen, if I install kubuntu-desktop, (and it's dependencies) through aptitude, if I decide to uninstall kubuntu-desktop, aptitude will deinstall all the packages installed to support kubuntu-desktop
[05:53] <Dr_Melectaus> Razor-X, is there any with one, or one that you can  add a GUI to?
[05:53] <Razor-X> Agamotto: Amiga's rock, no?
[05:53] <bimberi> maxy_noob: "unison" is worth a look for that purpose
[05:53] <Agamotto> I used to own and program the Amiga computers
[05:53] <Razor-X> Dr_Melectaus: again, not that I know of
[05:53] <Razor-X> I use vsftpd
[05:53] <Razor-X> but, it's CLI only
[05:53] <Dr_Melectaus> ok
[05:53] <jesusfish> there an amarok 1.3-b2 deb around anywhere?
[05:53] <nickrud> that is, it provides automatic removal of unused packages
[05:53] <jasoncohen> nickrud, really....cool
[05:53] <Rusty1> Dr_Melectaus: perhaps proftp and a webmin front end
[05:53] <maxy_noob> bimberi, when I hear "worth a look" it usually means: less than perfect.
[05:54] <Belutz> nickrud: hmmm synaptic don't do that i guess
[05:54] <Belutz> nickrud: but aptitude do that? i should've known earlier :D
[05:54] <nickrud> Belutz, I think it's supposed to. I'm not sure if aptitude and synaptic use the same package tracking mechanism, tho
[05:54] <jasoncohen> nickrud, what if you had packages installed prior to intalling kubuntu-desktop that are part of kubuntu-desktop that you don't want to remove?
[05:54] <linlin> I need some reccomendations for easy to use video conversion software.  Mainly what im doing is converting divx and xvid files to dvd-burnable ones.  Ive tried tovid, and it doesnt work.  Any suggestions?
[05:54] <Nomad_1> Razor-X: That suggests to me that gcc (the program I'm assuming would be used for compilation), is an embedded part of the OS. So because my linux installation is configured for the i86_64 arch. the compiler will produce 64-bit programs. Is that correct?
[05:54] <jasoncohen> nickrud, they don't
[05:54] <bimberi> maxy_noob: It means that it's the best utility I've found (which includes rsync)
[05:54] <nickrud> jasoncohen, no, they won't
[05:54] <benplaut> linlin: stop being illegal
[05:54] <Razor-X> Nomad_1: very correct
[05:55] <jasoncohen> i believe synaptic uses apt-get's cache
[05:55] <linlin> how do you know im beling illegal
[05:55] <jasoncohen> if you use aptitude and apt-get together aptitude's cache will get out of sync and it'll try to do some really crazy things
[05:55] <Razor-X> gcc is one of those apps that are pretty embedded in the system
[05:55] <Belutz> nickrud: i was installing kubuntu-desktop, when i uninstall it didn't uninstall all the packages installed with kubuntu-desktop, so i have to uninstalled the rest manually
[05:55] <Razor-X> linlin: if you're using DivX 3, it's illegal
[05:55] <jasoncohen> you can use synaptic and apt-get together but not aptitude and synaptic or apt-get
[05:55] <linlin> they are vhs converted movie that i made when i was on windows
[05:55] <linlin> from my camera
[05:55] <maxy_noob> bimberi, ok thanks
[05:55] <benplaut> oh
[05:55] <nickrud> Belutz, yes, that's why I use aptitude :)
[05:55] <oni_> hey, anyone know why ps/2 mouses doesn't work in ubuntu?
[05:55] <Razor-X> oni_: what kind of mouse?
[05:55] <bimberi> maxy_noob: yw :)
[05:56] <jasoncohen> if aptitude can do that, why doesn't synaptic work with aptitude?
[05:56] <Razor-X> Belutz: that happens?
[05:56] <Belutz> nickrud: *nods*
[05:56] <Nomad_1> Razor-X: Thanks. That helps a lot. But you've given me yet another subject to read about :-p. How to compile something into a package for a specific distro (or set of distros). Like making the gkrellm.deb.
[05:56] <oni_> ps/2, nevermind the model, it's not the problem
[05:56] <Razor-X> Nomad_1: ahhh, there I myself do not know
[05:56] <jasoncohen> Razor-X, so, you only use aptitude? you never use synaptic right?
[05:56] <Belutz> Razor-X: yup... it didn't uninstall all the KDE apps installed with the kubuntu-desktop
[05:56] <oni_> Razor-X: ps/2, nevermind the model, it's not the problem
[05:57] <Razor-X> jasoncohen: used synaptic twice
[05:57] <nickrud> jasoncohen, yes you can, they all use libapt, which uses dpkg: what we're talking about is a bit higher level package management: not consistency of the installation, but the consistency of deinstallation
[05:57] <Razor-X> oni_: that's what i'ld think
[05:57] <Nomad_1> Razor-X: I'll figure it out and if I happen to remember I'll let you know what I come up with, if you'd want me to of course :).
[05:57] <Belutz> Razor-X: i have to eliminate packages with a 'k' in front manually lol
[05:57] <Razor-X> PS/2 is pretty much known
[05:57] <Razor-X> Belutz: how said ;)
[05:57] <jasoncohen> in debian, i tried using aptitude and apt-get together (whichever i felt like using at one at a particular moment) and my aptitude cache got very messed up. aptitude wanted to install programs i had removed for no apparent reason
[05:57] <Razor-X> s/said/sad/
[05:57] <Razor-X> Nomad_1: I wouldn't mind at all, I have half-a-mind to submit my Eterm with ETwin support
[05:58] <Razor-X> and if/when I become a maintainer -- i'll need to know ;)
[05:58] <Belutz> Razor-X, nickrud: man aptitude is adequate enought to learn to use aptitude ?
[05:58] <Belutz> *enough
[05:58] <jasoncohen> nickrud, i know, but i don't know if it's safe to use aptitude and synaptic together. it sure wasn't safe to use aptitude and apt-get together
[05:58] <Nomad_1> Razor-X: Ok, that last bit was greek to me. "Eterm with Etwin support"?
[05:58] <Razor-X> Belutz: much better than the website
[05:58] <jasoncohen> nickrud, it's a known bug of aptitude
[05:58] <Razor-X> Nomad_1: Eterm is a terminal emulator, and twin is a nice curses-based desktop (basically, a desktop in CLI)
[05:59] <Belutz> Razor-X: hmmm ok :D
[05:59] <nickrud> Belutz, /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README
[05:59] <Razor-X> Eterm already has native support for screen (that allows multiple sessions in one term, and detaching), and native twin support can be compiled in
[05:59] <Nomad_1> Razor-X: CLI?
[05:59] <Razor-X> Command Line Interface
[05:59] <nickrud> jasoncohen, no, a known bug of apt-get, which is now depreciated
[05:59] <Nomad_1> ah ok
[05:59] <vader1102> help! lol, I have been trying for hours now and still cannot get my laptop here to see the other workgroup pc's
[06:00] <Nomad_1> Razor-X: Sounds interesting.
[06:00] <Razor-X> nickrud: depreciated \nequal deprecated ;)
[06:00] <Belutz> Razor-X: isn't Command Line Interpreter ?
[06:00] <jasoncohen> nickrud, apt-get is deprecated?
[06:00] <nickrud> Razor-X, lol, spelling
[06:00] <Razor-X> Belutz: no
[06:00] <jasoncohen> nickrud, it's the recommended tool to upgrade ubuntu so it can't be too deprecated :)
[06:00] <kabifff> yay official ubuntu help!
[06:01] <cafuego> stabbing is illegal, isn't it?
[06:01] <Belutz> Razor-X: damn!! i was wrong all this time.... lol
[06:01] <kabifff> can somebody give me a hand?
[06:01] <ofer0> http://singe.rucus.net/blog/archives/270-Gentoo-vs-Ubuntu-vs-Debian.html
[06:01] <nickrud> jasoncohen, yeah, take a look at the sarge release notes
[06:01] <Nomad_1> (off topic question... Is there a keyboard shortcut for helping add a user's name to the beginning of these txt msgs in x-chat?)
[06:01] <jasoncohen> if aptitude has that functionality, why doesn't synaptic?
[06:01] <ofer0> great review of "Gentoo vs Ubuntu vs Debian"
[06:01] <Razor-X> Belutz: Interpreters have nothing to do with command line applications
[06:01] <nickrud> jasoncohen, I've been dancing around that question for a bit myself, maybe someone can answer it for us
[06:02] <Belutz> Razor-X: ic
[06:02] <jasoncohen> nickrud, that's because there was a 3 year gap between woody and sarge and the dependencies changed rapidly and in complex ways. In addition, there were circular dependencies that caused problems on some packages regardless of the package management tool used to upgrade
[06:02] <Belutz> brb guys
[06:02] <Razor-X> just as there is an interface with graphics (the Graphical User Interface -- the GUI) there is one using the command-line (the Command Line Interface -- the CLI)
[06:02] <MobileJess> where can i get a working firefox?
[06:02] <Razor-X> curses is a famous example of a CLI
 DOS is a CLI based OS.
[06:02] <Razor-X> MobileJess: the repos have been fixed
[06:02] <kabifff> So I installed Ubuntu on my USB HD and now whenever I boot, I have a two-fold problem. One, it can't find the kernel, says "Kernel panic" and quits. Also, if I don't have my USB drive connected, it says "grub error 21" and won't boot any further
[06:03] <Razor-X> Nomad_1: yeahp
[06:03] <kabifff> any ideas?
[06:03] <jasoncohen> nickrud, since ubuntu only upgrades from one release to another (you can't upgrade from warty to breezy for example ...and expect things to work), that won't be a problem for ubuntu. apt-get is fine
[06:03] <cafuego> Razor-X: curses isn't technically CLI, as it has no L.
[06:03] <jasoncohen> at least for upgrades
[06:03] <Razor-X> cafuego: but, it's run in the command-line, no?
[06:03] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, there is no particular reason why a warty-->breezy upgrade will not work
[06:03] <Razor-X> because twin doesen't have the L either
[06:03] <bimberi> MobileJess: The info in /topic summarises the process nicely
[06:03] <jasoncohen> i always use apt-get because i find it faster and it will get build dependencies and build from source
[06:04] <Razor-X> twin is like non-GUI X
[06:04] <cafuego> Razor-X: Not neccessarily, no. Curses is more of a GUI without VGA mode.
[06:04] <Razor-X> cafuego: hmmm.... true that
[06:04] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, then, why is it recommended that users upgrade one version at a time?
[06:04] <kabifff> any ideas, fellas?
[06:04] <jasoncohen> *one release
[06:04] <cafuego> Razor-X: it's got widgets and everything
[06:04] <Seq> cafuego: character-based gui is what i've always heard it called
[06:04] <Nomad_1> Razor-X: Thanks for you time man. Later.
[06:04] <nickrud> jasoncohen, I'm not dissing apt-get, just stroking aptitude :)
[06:04] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, i don't know if that's true
[06:04] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, where have you seen that?
[06:05] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, i'll get you the link in the second
[06:05] <Razor-X> cafuego: we need a name for that
[06:05] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, this is why i think you're wrong
[06:05] <saintFrance> hey guys i just installed ubuntu right now
[06:05] <cafuego> Razor-X: "fast and portable"
[06:05] <Razor-X> cafuego: FAP? ;)
[06:05] <kabifff> did it work saint france?
[06:05] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, package names change and dummy packages are used when names change. if you skip two versions those dummy packages might not exist
[06:05] <saintFrance> yes
[06:05] <saintFrance> how do i change my resolution?
[06:05] <saintFrance> the ones i want isnt supported i guess
[06:05] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, let's use the example of someone trying to upgrade from hoary to breezy+1
[06:05] <vader1102> does anyone have any clues for me for my workgroup?
[06:05] <ofer0> saintFrance, in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:06] <Ohpoo> Ubuntu isnt made for geeks, it is made for your Grandma who is too scared to turn on the computer, or the journalist who doesnt have the time or skills to set up a computer. <---- This guy knows how to pick his fighting words lol :)
[06:06] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, breezy has a dummy package for mozilla-firefox but breezy+1 most likely won't
[06:06] <saintFrance> where is that?
[06:06] <Burgundavia> yes
[06:06] <jasoncohen> so the upgrade wouldn't work
[06:06] <saintFrance> lol i just installed it.. no idea how it works
[06:06] <ofer0> saintFrance, /etc/X11/xorg.conf !!!
[06:06] <bimberi> saintFrance: System -> Preferences -> Screen Resolution
[06:06] <Agamotto> Ubuntu is also for those who don't desire to waste 80% of their time configuring things
[06:06] <Agamotto> That said, the tools are there if you decided to do so later
[06:06] <saintFrance> yah it only goes to 1024x768
[06:07] <saintFrance> doesnt it get any higher?
[06:07] <oni_> s**t! it's not a ps/2 , it's a serial COM port!!
[06:07] <kabifff> any ideas then why this is happening if it's so easy to use and install?
[06:07] <oni_> how do I get a COM mouse to work on ubuntu?
[06:07] <bimberi> saintFrance: yes, probably ...
[06:07] <bimberi> !resolution
[06:07] <ubotu> well, resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:07] <deprave> what does bonobo do?
[06:07] <Agamotto> kabifff:  Because nothing descends into manifestation without errors
[06:07] <saintFrance> !resolution
[06:07] <vader1102> oni: did you install with the serial mouse attached?
[06:08] <oni_> yep
[06:08] <bimberi> saintFrance: have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:08] <vader1102> and it don't work now?
[06:08] <deprave> !ubuntu bonobo
[06:08] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, deprave
[06:08] <nickrud> bonobo is a kind of embedding of apps or app data in gnome; I think it's on it's way out
[06:08] <Agamotto> Hmmmm, missed it on the tty1 search I would guess
[06:08] <bimberi> saintFrance: sorry "!resolution" gets a response from the #ubuntu bot
[06:08] <kabifff> that's a little cryptic there, Agamotto
[06:08] <kabifff> :-)
[06:09] <kabifff> any OTHER ideas? this is driving me crazy
[06:09] <Agamotto> Cryptic, no.  Zen, yes
[06:09] <kabifff> touche
[06:09] <Ohpoo> The install was smooth as a babys bum and even autodetected ALL of my hardware unlike Ubuntu. <--- I didn't know the installer was that different?
[06:09] <Agamotto> kabifff:  Restate problem for me again
[06:09] <Ohpoo> Hes talking about debian installer
[06:10] <vader1102> oni: did it work during the install?
[06:10] <kabifff> Agamotto: Ubuntu won't load for anything. It loads the kernel and then says "Kernel Panic, killin INIT" or something close. It works with the live disk and all, just not as a boot. it's on a USB drive, if that helps.
[06:10] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, i can't find the link i was referring to at the moment. I believe it was on the ubuntulinux.org site. I'll try to find it tomorrow\
[06:10] <hopeng-o> im following a tutorial about "compiling wineCVS" on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29996 , but having problem on sudo apt-get install libgtk-1.2 libgtk-1.2-common . it returns no package available, but i already have unviersal apt
[06:11] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, ok
[06:11] <Agamotto> kabifff:  A kernel panic is usually due to a module search failure
[06:11] <jasoncohen> sorry
[06:11] <kabifff> Agamotto: I don't know what that means. How do I fix it, if possible?
[06:11] <ofer0> hopeng-o, i had the same problem, what you should do is:
[06:11] <ofer0> hopeng-o, sudo apt-get install libgtk1.2 libgtk1.2-common
[06:11] <Agamotto> kabifff:  I am not sure, but I would assume it would involve a recompile of your kernel
[06:12] <kabifff> hmmmmm
[06:12] <Agamotto> A bit beyond my current skill set
[06:12] <ColonelKernel> you know, ubuntu is a really nice distro
[06:12] <ericvw> alright...so i have found that i need eth1394, ieee1394, and ohci1394 for my firewire; however i am not quite sure what i need to edit so these modules load on boot?  any help/suggestions?
[06:12] <vader1102> bimberi: how is your knoledge on samba and workgroups?
[06:12] <hopeng-o> ofer0, yes tried that
[06:12] <ColonelKernel> I gotta give props
[06:12] <kabifff> Agamotto: ok, dumb it down as best you can. I'm as green as it gets when it comes to anything other than windows. what are you telling me?
[06:12] <ColonelKernel> its debian w more up to date packages
[06:13] <ColonelKernel> other than the bummer ass DNS problem Im exceptionally stoked on it.
[06:13] <ofer0> hopeng-o, it didn`t work? maybe you don`t have the needed sources in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:13] <deprave> what are some fun things to install and play with on ubuntu?
[06:13] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia,
[06:13] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/releases/document_view
[06:13] <bimberi> vader1102: sketchy at best.  I've seen your questions but don't think I can help sorry
[06:13] <nickrud> ericvw, hotplug should handle loading those modules; if it doesn't, try adding each module on a separate line to /etc/modules
[06:13] <tiglionabbit> deprave: chromium, neverball
[06:13] <ofer0> deprave, Enemy Territories
[06:13] <ericvw> thanks!
[06:13] <saintFrance> hey how do i run commands?
[06:13] <saintFrance> and where?
[06:13] <jasoncohen> "Upgrades are supported from each release to the next. If you wish to skip a release, and then update to the latest one, then it is necessary to update the system from your existing release through each intermediate release to get to the release you wish to run.
[06:13] <vader1102> bimberi: is ok, I know the questions can slip by sometimes
[06:13] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, ok
[06:13] <Agamotto> kabifff:  The kernel panic is due to the kernel not finding some module/s when it is putting itself together for boot.  My guess would be the loopback filesystem module/s, which are responsible for turning your usb stick into a / partition
[06:13] <tiglionabbit> deprave: if you don't mean literally "play", try apache
[06:14] <ericvw> nickrud, do i need to add modprobe in front of each module?
[06:14] <hopeng-o> ofer0, yes didnt succeded. ill try gain more sources.list
[06:14] <ofer0> hopeng-o, you can get a realy good list @ www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:14] <nickrud> ericvw, no, just name each module on a separate line
[06:14] <Agamotto> kabifff:  Unfortunately, this sort of thing is beyond my current skill level
[06:14] <deprave> tiglionabbit : i mean something interesting, not a web server hehe
[06:14] <hopeng-o> ofer0, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories rite ?
[06:14] <deprave> where can i get Enemy Territory
[06:14] <bimberi> vader1102: usually such things have just worked(tm).  If I go to Places -> Network Servers I can see and connect to shares on the Windows network without having to do anything extra
[06:15] <crimsun> deprave: from its official mirrors
[06:15] <jesusfish> there an amarok 1.3-b2 deb around anywhere?
[06:15] <ofer0> yeah hopeng-o
[06:15] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, i imagine that's because it would, a) be too difficult to test to make sure you could upgrade from more than one prior distribution and b) there would have to be many unnecessary and potentially problematic dummy packages to aid in the upgrade for users of older distros
[06:15] <jasoncohen> *older releases
[06:15] <deprave> crimsun : what kind of game is it? does it require a lot of resources?
[06:15] <linlin> neverball is the shit
[06:15] <kabifff> Agamotto: ok, any ideas on how I can un-install this? My Grub is all messed up now too,whenever I boot up and don't have my external plugged in, all I get is a DOS style screen saying "Grub error 21" and I need to reboot with the USB plugged in.
[06:15] <deprave> any neat scientific software for ubuntu?
[06:15] <crimsun> deprave: it's a team-based first-person shooter
[06:15] <saintFrance> what does it mean run "sudo blah blah"
[06:16] <ColonelKernel> is bob2 around?
[06:16] <deprave> crimsun : right on.
[06:16] <ColonelKernel> nope
[06:16] <Agamotto> kabifff:  Yes, because GRUB expects to find a volume at /usb or whatever.  I am not sure how to fix the problem
[06:17] <saintFrance> guys how do i install some drivers for my sound card?
[06:17] <saintFrance> i have the .exe but i cant install it
[06:17] <ofer0> what soundcard?
[06:17] <HrdwrBoB> saintFrance: the exe does you no good whatsoever
[06:17] <saintFrance> oh.
[06:17] <HrdwrBoB> saintFrance: what is the problem
[06:17] <nickrud> saintFrance, you almost certainly don't want to run that exe :)
[06:17] <Agamotto> saintFrance:  sudo - superuser do the rest are the arguments to executed as root
[06:18] <saintFrance> well i dont have drivers for my sound card
[06:18] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, debian has a similar policy
[06:18] <saintFrance> well i have no sound
[06:18] <linlin> saintFrance, lspci and get the name of the soundcard then tell us
[06:18] <saintFrance> lspci?
[06:18] <ofer0> saintFrance, what type of soundcard ?
[06:18] <kabifff> Agamotto: Any ideas on where I can fix this? I had the same problem with Linspire (is that a bad word around here? :-D)  and that REALLY screwed up my grub. I don't want to have to be stuck with an External HD boot for the rest of eternity on my laptop.
[06:18] <saintFrance> audigy 2zs
[06:18] <ofer0> heh
[06:18] <linlin> mmm
[06:18] <ofer0> saintFrance, sure you have drivers
[06:18] <saintFrance> i have the cd
[06:18] <saintFrance> it came with
[06:18] <Agamotto> kabifff:  I am not expert with GRUB editing
[06:18] <ofer0> saintFrance, you just probably don`t know how to set them up
[06:19] <saintFrance> derno i just installed ubuntu.. HAVE NO CLUE HOW TO USE IT! ahh
[06:19] <Agamotto> saintFrance:  Ok, but is the driver disc linux drivers or Windows
[06:19] <ofer0> saintFrance, www.ubuntuforums.org - they have a good howto about ALSA. use it
[06:19] <zachary> saintFrance you having a problem?
[06:19] <kabifff> Agamotto: would anybody here know what to do with Grub?
[06:19] <nickrud> saintFrance, you want to ask crimsun about sound
[06:19] <saintFrance> windows i guess
[06:19] <zachary> kabiff what do you want to do with Grub?
[06:19] <Agamotto> kabifff:  Ask.  Basic idea is - How do I remove a USB key entry from my GRUB boot list
[06:20] <ubuntu_> how can i send files to a pc runnin windows xp on my network
[06:20] <zachary> ftp
[06:20] <kabifff> Does anybody in here know how to remove a USB key entry from my Grub? I'm pulling my hair out fellas
[06:20] <linlin> mount the remote drive with samba client
[06:20] <kabifff> linlin: was that meant for me?
[06:20] <bimberi> ubuntu_: set up a share on the xp box and try to connect to it from Places -> Network Servers on ubuntu
[06:21] <crimsun> saintFrance: yes?
[06:21] <linlin> yes,
[06:21] <kabifff> ok, what's the samba client and can I use it with windows?
[06:21] <linlin> kabifff, you have the folder shared already on the xp box
[06:21] <kabifff> where is it?
[06:22] <ubuntu_> any reason why it says contents cant be displayed on those boxes??
[06:22] <kabifff> Linlin: where would I find it on my XP box?
[06:22] <saintFrance> so what do i do?
[06:22] <linlin> do you have the folder shared already on your xp box?
[06:23] <crimsun> saintFrance: paste the output from lspci -v|grep udio onto paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[06:23] <kabifff> not that i know of
[06:23] <saintFrance> ah... u lost me
[06:23] <linlin> ok do you know how to share a drive/folder on windows?
[06:23] <crimsun> saintFrance: open a terminal, then type lspci -v|grep udio
[06:23] <kabifff> I believe so, but isn't that only for networking?
[06:23] <esac_> is there a program for linux that will keep track of my ping times/latency to specific sites (say google and slashdot) and let me know the history .. i wanna see when my connection is being slow (like it is right now)
[06:23] <ubuntu_> yea one sec checkin to make sure its shairin
[06:24] <crimsun> saintFrance: paste the output from that command onto the paste.ubuntulinux.nl web site
[06:24] <zachary> okay i need some help
[06:24] <zachary> anyone good with dual booting ?
[06:24] <linlin> kabifff, is your windows machine the same machine you are suing right now?
[06:25] <linlin> suing=using
[06:25] <linlin> i.e dual booting?
[06:25] <nickrud> zachary, so, so, and I can bail if I need to :)
[06:25] <saintFrance> then what do i do
[06:25] <saintFrance> ?
[06:25] <bimberi> nickrud: lol - good answer :)
[06:26] <linlin> kabifff, ?
[06:26] <kabifff> Linlin: yeah, I installed ubuntu on an external hard drive
[06:26] <zachary> nickrud, okay set up the partitions like this: winxp , ubuntu, swap, fat32 shared
[06:26] <linlin> ok.  What your going to need to do is moint the ntfs hard drive
[06:26] <esac_> what package has smbmount ?
[06:26] <ubuntu_> yup i have a shared folder open
[06:26] <nickrud> zachary, like, hda1,2,3,4?
[06:27] <zachary> nickrud, i installed on the ubuntu and it worked fine, it came to the grub loader and i installed it over the mbr
[06:27] <zachary> nickrud, exactly
[06:27] <ubuntu_> still cant get in
[06:28] <ColonelKernel> you breezy folks sure do like to update your kernels
[06:28] <ColonelKernel> :D
[06:28] <zachary> nickrud, well i had problems with the display putting out a low resolution so i tried to reinstall ubuntu
[06:28] <zachary> when i did that it took away windows from my selection on grub
[06:28] <nickrud> zachary, define 'still can't get in'
[06:28] <nickrud> ah
[06:28] <nickrud> get windows
[06:28] <nickrud> a sec
[06:28] <ColonelKernel> NO
[06:29] <ColonelKernel> thats the worst advice ever
[06:29] <ColonelKernel> get windows
[06:29] <zachary> Colonel
[06:29] <ColonelKernel> well , maybe "dont worry about condoms" is worse
[06:29] <zachary> not advice
[06:29] <ubuntu_> any reason why  icant get into the shared folders??
[06:29] <zachary> read context please and do not flame
[06:30] <nickrud> zachary, np, I just need to create a few links for my breezy thing, so I can see hoary. a sec
[06:30] <lotar> who speaker spanish ?
[06:30] <bimberi> ubuntu_: could be a permissions thing
[06:30] <zachary> no worries mate, take your time
[06:32] <nickrud> zachary, join #flood, I'll post a generic grub stanza that you can add to the end of /boot/grub/menu.lst, it'll boot a standard windows install
[06:33] <saintFrance> !resolution
[06:33] <ubotu> I guess resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:34] <sataere> Hey
[06:34] <sataere> Does anyone here use the madwifi package?
[06:34] <vader1102> yes I do
[06:34] <vader1102> was easy to use
[06:34] <sataere> I'm having trouble connecting.
[06:35] <eno_> hello! :D
[06:35] <vader1102> satere: are you getting an error?
[06:35] <sataere> I entered my wep key, and it acts as though it connects fine, but I can't ping any systems
[06:35] <sataere> No errors (that I know of) it configures and activates fine
[06:36] <vader1102> ok, have you got the rest of it configured ok?
[06:36] <sataere> Everything configures fine, but it won't connect.
[06:37] <sataere> I don't know what to tell you or where to go to find errors, I'm used to Gentoo's verbosity.
[06:37] <vader1102> ok, what about the essid? only asking is to be sure
[06:38] <vader1102> what does dmesg tell you about it?
[06:38] <firestorm> Howdy. Which is the best place to tell my system to automatically load a kernel module at boot-time?
[06:38] <sataere> How do I use dmesg?
[06:38] <vader1102> term and type in dmesg
[06:39] <saintFrance> !resolution
[06:39] <ubotu> it has been said that resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:39] <vader1102> I want to be sure that you have the driver in there right or will act crazy
[06:39] <n1xt3r> firestorm: /etc/modules
[06:40] <pankaj> Hi
[06:40] <pankaj> hellow aru
[06:40] <pankaj> wanna chat
[06:40] <aru> not really
[06:40] <aru> but go ahead and die anyway
[06:40] <firestorm> n1xt3r: excellent, thanks
[06:40] <pankaj> why
[06:41] <pankaj> from where are you?
[06:42] <pankaj> hellow
[06:42] <sataere> pankaj, This is a room for discussion of Ubuntu.  If you don't know what that is, I suggest you leave.
[06:43] <crimsun> it'd be better if pankaj read a bit about Ubuntu. Everyone's welcome, but we need to stay on topic.
[06:45] <regeya> I wait in fullness
[06:45] <nJess> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 3108 (rev 01)
[06:45] <nJess>  <---what drivers do i need for this device?
[06:46] <nJess> that was supposed to be one line....
[06:46] <ColonelKernel> nJess brand new via chipset mobo w onboard video?
[06:47] <nJess> newish
[06:47] <nJess> its an acer laptop
[06:48] <ColonelKernel> Hmmm im really sorry I dont know how to help you out w that one, but if you hang out for a bit im sure someone will be able to - what does the system set up in your xorg.conf? vesa?
[06:48] <nJess> yes, it does
[06:48] <nJess> but tux-racer won
[06:48] <nJess> won't run properly
[06:48] <zachary> njess whats the problem?
[06:48] <nJess> so i imagine this driver won't cut it
[06:48] <saintFrance> !sound
[06:48] <ubotu> [sound]  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[06:48] <nJess> it lags really bad, poor drivers
[06:48] <ColonelKernel> yeah it probably wont - you prob wont be doing any kinda 3d games with the vesa driver
[06:49] <Ohpoo> ColonelKernel, lol that's for use
[06:49] <Ohpoo> ColonelKernel, sure
[06:49] <Agamotto> ColonelKernel:  I can vouch for that
[06:49] <ColonelKernel> zachary he's got a laptop with an onboard via video adapter and he wants DRI
[06:49] <vader1102> oh I hate that you reasearchin a card for someone and they quit lol
[06:52] <eno_> HELLO! :D
[06:52] <benplaut> hi
[06:52] <eno_> I have another annoying question!
[06:52] <aru> sweet
[06:52] <eno_> what is a symbolic link and how do I mkae one?
[06:52] <aru> did you ask google?
[06:53] <nalioth> eno_: a symbolic link is like a "shortcut" in windows
[06:53] <eno_> ummmmmm.... maybe
[06:53] <nalioth> eno_: you can see the man about "ln" or just ln -s target source
[06:53] <eno_> thanks
[06:54] <nalioth> or maybe ln -s source target (you should see the 'man')
[06:54] <eno_> yeah me too buddy ;)
[06:55] <nickrud> nalioth, why, did you actually work tonight ;)
[06:55] <nalioth> nickrud: hold your tongue, mister, i work hard every day
[06:57] <tspier2> I have a problem.
[06:57] <eno_> when I install ubuntu, will the java runtime environment be installed automatically, or do I get to download it?
[06:58] <nalioth> eno_: you'll have to install it
[06:58] <nickrud> eno, you must install it yourself
[06:58] <Agamotto> You have to download
[06:58] <nickrud> !java
[06:58] <ubotu> I guess java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[06:58] <Doomhammer> hello all
[06:58] <benplaut> hi
[06:58] <Doomhammer> so I've got a wierd problem with XChat...
[06:58] <eno_> thanks ubotu!
[06:59] <Doomhammer> for some reason, after I reboot the machine, it loses all the Usernames I put into the server list ?
[06:59] <benplaut> (ubotu is a bot, you don't really have to thank it
[06:59] <benplaut> )
[06:59] <Doomhammer> lol
[06:59] <bimberi> ubotu: thanks
[06:59] <ubotu> de rien, bimberi
[06:59] <nickrud> heh, so, it's thanks at one remove :)
[06:59] <bimberi> :)
[06:59] <benplaut> -rolls eyes-
[06:59] <zachary> nickrud, thanks alot mate, worked out great
[06:59] <Doomhammer> any idea why xchat refuses to remember what username I want to use ?
[07:00] <Doomhammer> it remembers my nickserv password and stuff... :/
[07:00] <nickrud> zachary, great
[07:00] <benplaut> Doomhammer: make sure the Xchat config files aren't owned by root
[07:00] <benplaut> oh
[07:00] <Doomhammer> ah
[07:01] <Doomhammer> er... where are the xchat config files ? :S
[07:01] <vader1102> well, I am off to bed....have been up too late for a week now
[07:01] <Agamotto> Time to take out the eyeballs
[07:01] <nophix> Doomhammer: ~/.xchat2 maybe
[07:02] <Doomhammer> :P
[07:02] <benplaut> dunno
[07:02] <Doomhammer> righty-ho
[07:02] <Doomhammer> config files are owned by me
[07:02] <benplaut> hmm
[07:02] <Doomhammer> but have permissions -rw-------
[07:03] <Doomhammer> no write perms
[07:03] <benplaut> rw is read/write
[07:03] <Doomhammer> wait...
[07:03] <Doomhammer> yes, i know that... but I was thinking that -rwx------ was for root only :P
[07:03] <Doomhammer> :(
[07:04] <benplaut> !info permissions
[07:04] <Orborde> Not to be too whiny, but why on Earth doesn't Ubuntu keep completely up-to-date Firefox packages ready instead of backporting them to the version included in the last Ubuntu release?
[07:04] <nophix> Orborde: the answers are in the forums
[07:05] <benplaut> packages are frozen after a release
[07:05] <nickrud> Orborde, http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/
[07:05] <ColonelKernel> Orborde ? my firefox is 1.0.6
[07:05] <benplaut> msg !permissions
[07:05] <benplaut> woops
[07:05] <nickrud> so far, anyway ;)
[07:05] <eno_> I was raised to hate java and I will die hating java
[07:06] <benplaut> :P
[07:06] <Orborde> ColonelKernel: Well, how'd it get that way?
[07:06] <nickrud> epiphany, ahhh
[07:06] <benplaut> i liked the backported 1.04... it was fast (compiled with gcc4
[07:07] <Orborde> nickrud: Um...can you point me to where in this huge document?
[07:07] <Orborde> nophix: Where in the forums?
[07:07] <angel12> does anyone use amorok with hoary?
[07:07] <slugger> in what file is the information stored that keeps track of permissions/user/groups per file?
[07:07] <nophix> Orborde: use the search
[07:08] <benplaut> slugger: it's attached to the file, the command is "chmod"...
[07:09] <slugger> I know the command is chmod, but I thought I heard from someone that the actual permissions isn't stored in the file, it's stored elsewhere
[07:09] <Doomhammer> does fglrx work well enough to allow for gaming under linux with an ATI card (specifically UT2004...)
[07:09] <jesusfish> angel12: I do
[07:09] <Doomhammer> i have never gottent it to work properly :/
[07:09] <angel12> jesusfish, do u have sound?
[07:09] <jesusfish> angel12: yup
[07:09] <Orborde> nophix: Searching's for nerds. Thanks.
[07:10] <nickrud> Orborde, no, I can't. I assumed there'd be a section in that that was obviously about what stable is, but I don't see it
[07:10] <asda> how to disable ntp.sinkronisasi guy's
[07:10] <jesusfish> angel12: would be pointless using it if I didn't ;)
[07:10] <asda> any one help
[07:10] <nophix> Orborde: you're welcome ._.
[07:10] <angel12> jesusfish, lmao, i forgot about that, my bad. Did you have to do anything special to get sound working?
[07:10] <Doomhammer> asda: you mean how do you prevent ubuntu from syncing the time ?
[07:10] <jesusfish> angel12: nope, worked fine right away
[07:10] <asda> yes
[07:10] <asda> how to disable it
[07:10] <Doomhammer> angel12: what app are you trying to get sound in ? XMMS ?
[07:11] <Orborde> nickrud: Okay, thanks anyways.
[07:11] <Doomhammer> angel12: i had to use the eSound codec instead of OSS to get it to work...
[07:11] <nickrud> Orborde, sorry
[07:11] <asda> Doomhammer do you now that
[07:11] <Doomhammer> asda: do you want to disable it because the time is wrong if you reboot into windows ?
[07:12] <basic_> does anyone know how i can set my NIC to run at 10mbit instead of 100mbit, the cat5 cable is too long to run at 100mbit on the box
[07:12] <asda> noo Doomhammer, how to disable it
[07:12] <angel12> *new to debian based distro* how do i install a deb package?
[07:12] <asda> my time in indonesian and correct
[07:12] <Doomhammer> asda: well, one way is to get rid of the ntpdate package... apt-get remove ntpdate
[07:12] <basic_> gpkg
[07:12] <HrdwrBoB> angel12: it depends
[07:12] <asda> i'm only use ubuntu not m$
[07:12] <HrdwrBoB> angel12: what do you want to install
[07:13] <angel12> HrdwrBoB, gtkpod v.94
[07:13] <bimberi> angel12: dpkg -i foo.deb (but it is best to install using apt-get/synaptic/aptitude)
[07:13] <basic_> anyone have a solution for me?
[07:13] <Doomhammer> basic_ what was the question ?
[07:14] <basic_> does anyone know how i can set my NIC to run at 10mbit instead of 100mbit, the cat5 cable is too long to run at 100mbit on the box
[07:14] <HrdwrBoB> angel12: apt-get install gtkpod or use synaptic to get gtkpod
[07:14] <Doomhammer> basic_: oh... no idea - sorry :(
[07:14] <nalioth> basic_: it should autodetect your line speed
[07:14] <basic_> well it detects it as 100mbit
[07:14] <basic_> but it's like a 150' cat5 cable and wont run that fast
[07:14] <angel12> HrdwrBoB, its not the newest ver
[07:15] <Doomhammer> basic that is a long-ass cable ! :O
[07:15] <lancer285> Hey all, I'm having problems getting/finding transcode
[07:15] <basic_> :>
[07:15] <nickrud> !backports
[07:15] <ubotu> it has been said that backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[07:16] <nalioth> basic, are you suffering from slow data?
[07:16] <lancer285> can anyone tell me where to download transcode for ubuntu??
[07:16] <basic_> ? im not, my dad is the one who has to deal with the 10mbit, everything else in the house is 100mbit
[07:17] <Doomhammer> how old are you, basic ?
[07:17] <basic_> 19
[07:17] <Doomhammer> ah
[07:17] <basic_> only home for the summer, then back to the university
[07:17] <nalioth> basic_: your box will move data at best speed, no matter what it says
[07:18] <basic_> hmm, i will see then, i might just make some cat5e and run it instead :p
[07:18] <lancer285> does anyone know of a repository that has transcode?? I can't find it
[07:18] <nalioth> basic_: or put a hub or switch in the middle
[07:18] <basic_> backports has it eh
[07:18] <Doomhammer> lancer: have you tried the universal repositories ?
[07:18] <lancer285> doomhammer yes I have that one added, and it says its not there
[07:18] <basic_> that too
[07:19] <Doomhammer> lancer: when I turn "apt-cache search transcode", all it turns up is a GTK front-end for it... :/
[07:19] <lancer285> doomhammer yes I have the same problem.
[07:19] <Burgundavia> Razor-X, you need to show up at the next CC meetng
[07:19] <Doomhammer> heh, seems pretty pointless to have a front-end for something you can't install :P
[07:19] <nalioth> Doomhammer: transcode in hoary will have to be built via apt from source(s)
[07:19] <lancer285> nalioth so I have to add the src repository?
[07:19] <bimberi> Doomhammer, lancer285: there is a package in the hoary-extras repository in backports
[07:20] <nalioth> lancer285: deb-src lines are wonderful
[07:20] <lancer285> bimberi how do I add that repos?
[07:20] <concept10> Burgundavia, when in the next meeting
[07:20] <concept10> !repositories
[07:20] <ubotu> repositories is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto, or repos
[07:20] <bimberi> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[07:21] <lancer285> bimberi, thanks for the help!
[07:21] <bimberi> lancer285: yw :)
[07:21] <Burgundavia> concept10, 20utc, 2 aug
[07:21] <nickrud> !backports
[07:21] <ubotu> from memory, backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[07:22] <Burgundavia> anyboyd got a warty install here?
[07:22] <concept10> Burgundavia, Thanks.
[07:22] <Madpilot> hi all
[07:25] <floppyears> hi
[07:26] <floppyears> in order to be able to mount an usb thumb drive do I need to recompile the kernel ?
[07:26] <Doomhammer> hiya floppy
[07:26] <crimsun> floppyears: no, just insert it.
[07:26] <floppyears> crimsun: under what /dev is it located ?
[07:26] <Doomhammer> isn't it /dev/usb0 and so on ?
[07:27] <nickrud> depends on how it's defined in udev, i think
[07:27] <crimsun> floppyears: it's a mass storage device, so it'll show up as /dev/sdXX
[07:27] <floppyears> crimsun: thanks
[07:27] <orac7000> floppyears: mine just works, i didn't have to do anything
[07:28] <floppyears> orac7000: mine didn't show up I usually have to mount things
[07:28] <lancer285> ubotu I'm sorry, I'm having problems getting backports set up as a repos. I enter in  deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted into the field, but it doesn't show transcode on the list anywhere when I search
[07:28] <ubotu> I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about, lancer285
[07:28] <crimsun> floppyears: make sure scsi_mod is loaded.
[07:28] <orac7000> floppyears: ok, like i said mine just worked
[07:29] <jason__> can anyone help me with a qt header problem while running ./configure?
[07:29] <lancer285> ubotu i'm trying to get transcode installed. but I can't find it
[07:29] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, lancer285
[07:29] <Doomhammer> ubotu transcode
[07:29] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Doomhammer
[07:29] <Burgundavia> lancer285, transcode is part of hoary-extras
[07:29] <floppyears> crimsun: it is
[07:29] <Doomhammer> lol
[07:29] <Doomhammer> the bot is dumb :P
[07:29] <Amaranth> lancer285: ubotu is a bot :D
[07:29] <nalioth> !info transcode
[07:29] <bimberi> lancer285: uboto is a bot, you need a line like this ...
[07:29] <bimberi> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[07:29] <lancer285> haha, my bad, thanks guys
[07:29] <lancer285> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[07:30] <Amaranth> lancer285: hoary-extras != hoary-backports
[07:30] <lancer285> amaranth, how do I get those to work?
[07:30] <bimberi> lancer285: only have it enabled for the install, then disable it (eg. comment the line out)
[07:30] <floppyears> thank you guys
[07:30] <nickrud> what's the difference btween mirrormax backports and the ubuntu backports repository?
[07:30] <Amaranth> add that line to /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:31] <Amaranth> nickrud: the ubuntu one is official and sane
[07:31] <cyphase> hey everyone
[07:31] <nickrud> ah, so, that's why there's no transcode
[07:31] <Burgundavia> nickrud, the mirrormax stuff is the old backports, and is not needed anymore
[07:32] <Amaranth> nickrud: that's hoary-extras, a seperate project
[07:32] <tibetgirl> hi
[07:32] <jason__> can anyone help me with a qt header problem while running ./configure?
[07:32] <nickrud> Amaranth, thanks
[07:32] <Doomhammer> hiya tibetgirl
[07:32] <tibetgirl> can I try to dcc send someone a file? I'm having problems here... my dcc send was working fine, but not it's not :(
[07:33] <tibetgirl> now*
[07:33] <Doomhammer> tibetgirl: try to send it to me
[07:33] <tibetgirl> ok
[07:33] <tibetgirl> ooh
[07:33] <Doomhammer> well it worked
[07:33] <tibetgirl> Doomhammer: thanks! I thought it was my side :)
[07:33] <tibetgirl> lol
[07:34] <Doomhammer> nope :)
[07:34] <lancer285> amaranth I put deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted at the end of my /etc/apt/sources.list file, but synaptic didn't reconize it
[07:34] <Amaranth> lancer285: You need to click the reload button in synaptic.
[07:35] <Doomhammer> or type apt-get update into the console...
[07:37] <Orborde> I'm trying to share a folder with a Windows 98 machine over ethernet, and the Windows machine, when I try to get to the folder, asks me for a password. What password? I don't know. I tried the root password. I tried my account on my Linux machine's password. I tried no password. "Invalid password". What do I DO?
[07:37] <Doomhammer> Orbode: samba
[07:38] <Doomhammer> Orborde: the user name on linux and windows needs to be the same... e.g. "pjackson"
[07:38] <saintFrance> hey guys what does it mean that im not the owner and i cant edit anything
[07:38] <lancer285> thanks amarath that seemed to work
[07:38] <saintFrance> what do i do about it
[07:38] <Doomhammer> saintFrance: what are you tring to edit?
[07:38] <saintFrance> the xorg.conf
[07:38] <saintFrance> so i can add resolutions
[07:38] <nickrud> saintFrance, it's about who ones a file
[07:38] <lancer285> amarath are you a bot too?
[07:39] <Doomhammer> saintFrace: do this: sudo nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:39] <bimberi> lol
[07:39] <Doomhammer> lancer: i am a bot
[07:39] <Doomhammer> :)
[07:39] <lancer285> sheesh
[07:39] <lancer285> (:
[07:39] <nickrud> saintFrance, root owns xorg.conf, Doomhammer's line makes you the (temporary) owner of xorg.conf
[07:40] <Doomhammer> nickrud: that would allow him to edit it though, which is what he is trying to do
[07:41] <nickrud> yes, that's why I pointed at you (duh ;p)
[07:41] <saintFrance> waht do u mean root owns the conf
[07:41] <saintFrance> wait id otn get how linux works lol
[07:41] <Doomhammer> :O
[07:41] <Doomhammer> saintFrace: google for "linux file permissions" or something
[07:41] <saintFrance> oh i edit it how do i save?
[07:41] <nickrud> saintFrance, if you type ls -l /etc/X11/xorg.conf, you'll see that root owns the file
[07:41] <Doomhammer> you used nano ?
[07:41] <Doomhammer> hit CTRL+X and then enter
[07:41] <saintFrance> yh
[07:42] <saintFrance> thank you
[07:42] <Doomhammer> then, to test the new changes, CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE but beware, that closes anything you have running (kills x.org)
[07:42] <Orborde> Doomhammer: So if I create a user account on my Linux machine corresponding to the Windows machine's current account, that should work without a reboot, right?
[07:43] <vladuz976> can anyone recommend a good keyboard?
[07:43] <Doomhammer> Orborde: yes, but you need to set that user's samba password... smbpasswd is the command
[07:44] <Doomhammer> vladuz976: one moment...
[07:44] <Doomhammer> vladuz976: these Deck keyboards are damn sweet, but expensive... http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/72e2/
[07:44] <Madpilot> saintFrance: if you put "gedit" where Doomhammer's line had "nano" you'll get a GUI-based text editor with no need for extra keyboard commands
[07:44] <Doomhammer> LOL
[07:44] <Doomhammer> but that is not the cool way to do it ;)
[07:45] <nickrud> late, late late
[07:45] <Madpilot> Doomhammer: not trying to start an editor war, but gedit is way easier for newbies!
[07:45] <grumbly> hey
[07:45] <saintFrance> bah it didnt work still
[07:45] <Doomhammer> Madpilot: yes, i know... i was joking :)
[07:45] <saintFrance> :( bah i cant get higher reso than 1024x768
[07:45] <Doomhammer> saintFrace: what video card ?
[07:45] <Amaranth> !resolutions
[07:45] <ubotu> Amaranth: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[07:45] <Amaranth> !resolution
[07:45] <ubotu> I guess resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:45] <saintFrance> nvidia geforcefx5500
[07:45] <grumbly> How can I get a midi sequencer to work through alsa?
[07:46] <vladuz976> Doomhammer: that's a weird one
[07:46] <Amaranth> saintFrance: ^^
[07:46] <Amaranth> the bot knows all
[07:46] <grumbly> I'm like horibly unsure
[07:46] <saintFrance> yah i went there.. and no clue what to do
[07:46] <saintFrance> ll
[07:46] <saintFrance> lol
[07:46] <Orborde> Doomhammer: It's spewing errors at me...
[07:46] <Doomhammer> vladuz976: yes, but one of the better ones you can buy...
[07:46] <Doomhammer> Orborde: smbpasswd is ? are you root / did you sudo ?
[07:46] <grumbly> rather, how can I get a softmidi to work with alsa- I;ve got no actual midi
[07:46] <vladuz976> Doomhammer: does it just look cool or is it good? do you have it?
[07:47] <Doomhammer> vladuz976: no, i do not personally have it -- i'm only 14... i do not have that much $$$
[07:47] <Doomhammer> vladuz976: however, I have heard many good things and no bad about it
[07:47] <Orborde> Doomhammer: Yes, I sudod. Let me set up an error dump.
[07:47] <Doomhammer> vladus976: or you could always go with a logitech elite wireless keyboard / mouse combo
[07:47] <saintFrance> bah linux is soooo different from windows
[07:47] <vladuz976> Doomhammer: is that what you have
[07:48] <nickrud> saintFrance, welcome :)
[07:48] <Doomhammer> vladus976: that's not what I have on my PC, but the "family pc" has that set... the logitech elite... it is damned sweet
[07:48] <Madpilot> saintFrance: you'll get used to it!
[07:48] <saintFrance> i still cant get a higher reso to pop up the change reso menu
[07:48] <saintFrance> lol
[07:48] <nothingssomethin> how do i stop apps fom starting up on login?
[07:48] <nothingssomethin> anyone know?
[07:49] <Doomhammer> saintFrance: if you send me your xorg.conf file, I can setup a different resolution for you
[07:49] <lancer285> saintfrance I would make sure that your monitor type is set to the right one
[07:49] <NicP> nothingssomethin, whats starting up
[07:49] <Doomhammer> well, assuming you have everything configured properly...
[07:49] <saintFrance> alright ill send it to you
[07:49] <Doomhammer> NicP: look in /etc/init.d
[07:49] <nothingssomethin> ummm alot of things
[07:50] <NicP> Doomhammer, eh?
[07:50] <Orborde> Doomhammer: Never mind...I got it. I had to add the user using smbpasswd
[07:50] <Madpilot> nothingssomethin: be a bit more specific?
[07:50] <vladuz976> Doomhammer: you are 14? how long have you been using ubuntu?
[07:50] <Doomhammer> NicP: all init scripts are stored in /etc/init.d
[07:50] <Doomhammer> vladuz976: since warty came out... however, I have been using linux since RedHat 7 :O
[07:50] <NicP> Doomhammer, you just addressed it to the wrong person thats all :P
[07:51] <Doomhammer> NicP: oh... LOL :P
[07:51] <vladuz976> Doomhammer: when was that
[07:51] <nothingssomethin> nicp: messinger, music player, browser, and shell
[07:51] <saintFrance> hey doomhammer accept
[07:51] <nothingssomethin>  messinger, music player, browser, and shell
[07:51] <Doomhammer> vladuz976: hmm, i'd guess about 5-6 years ago... still had a 486 :O
[07:51] <saintFrance> accept the file
[07:51] <nothingssomethin> web browser
[07:51] <Orborde> Doomhammer: The errors are questionable, though, so you may still want to take a look. Yes, I did use sudo at a root terminal. http://pastebin.com/326601
[07:51] <Doomhammer> saintFrance: it says it's trying to connect :/
[07:51] <nothingssomethin> and i want none of them to startup on login
[07:52] <saintFrance> bah!
[07:52] <NicP> nothingssomethin, as doomhammer said look in /etc/int.d or/and check in system>preferences>sessions
[07:52] <saintFrance> hey lancer, what did u mean i set up my monitor type as right one?
[07:52] <Doomhammer> saintFrance: x.org may think that you have a monitor, that in fact you do not have
[07:53] <Doomhammer> saintFrance: wrong driver, or something to that effect
[07:53] <nickrud> nothingssomethin, then, close all the stuff you don't want to start up, and start any other stuff you want to run every time you log in: then hit alt-f2, and type gnome-session-save
[07:53] <saintFrance> so that may casue it to not have higher resolutions?
[07:53] <saintFrance> so how do i check that?
[07:53] <Doomhammer> saintFrance: you can configure it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but there is a GUI config tool
[07:53] <lancer285> sainFrance I'm guessing, but if X thinks that the monitor is just some generic tube, then it won't let you get the higher res's
[07:53] <Doomhammer> saintFrance: yes, but you may also need to install the nVidia drivers for your card
[07:53] <saintFrance> i see.. how do i install nvidia drivers
[07:53] <Amaranth> !nvidia
[07:53] <basic_> apt-get
[07:53] <ubotu> rumour has it, nvidia is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:53] <saintFrance> lol i pretty much cant install any exe
[07:54] <saintFrance> lol Amaranth
[07:54] <Belutz> i'm back all :D
[07:54] <Doomhammer> saintFrance: exe's are windows programs... of course not :)
[07:54] <Madpilot> saintFrance: no, exe doesn't work in Linux, generally
[07:54] <basic_> gotta get cxoffice and cedega :)
[07:55] <nothingssomethin> it's not in htere
[07:55] <nothingssomethin> it's not in there
[07:55] <Doomhammer> saintFrance: in linux, file extenstions do not matter as much as they do in WinBlows... i can name somescript.bin (an executable file) somefile.txt and still run it
[07:55] <nothingssomethin> i cheked int.d
[07:55] <robinparker> hello
[07:55] <nothingssomethin> and the sessinons
[07:56] <Doomhammer> nothingsomethin: the init scripts are in subdirectories of /etc/init.d... for isntance, /etc/init.d/rc.2
[07:56] <lancer285> anyone know anything about tovid?
[07:56] <saintFrance> alright im installing nvidia driver
[07:56] <robinparker> can anybody help me get widows
[07:56] <robinparker> windows
[07:56] <nothingssomethin> yes i cheked them
[07:56] <Doomhammer> nothingssomethin: oh wait, no, i'm wrong, the init scripts are in /etc/init.d, no subdirs
[07:56] <Belutz> robinparker: windows or X-windows ?
[07:56] <Doomhammer> robinparker: huh ? you gotta be a bit more specific :?
[07:57] <nothingssomethin> i knew what you men't tho
[07:57] <saintFrance> brb restarting
[07:58] <Orborde> Should I shut down Firefox before using Synaptic to upgrade it?
[07:58] <saintFrance> !nvidia
[07:58] <ubotu> methinks nvidia is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:58] <Doomhammer> Orborde: hmm, i would think so
[07:58] <robotgeek> Orborde: no need
[07:58] <nickrud> nothingssomethin, the things you mentioned are handled by gnome-session, if the're handled by anything.
[07:59] <Orborde> robotgeek: Why not? I thought not, but I wasn't sure.
[07:59] <ubotu> ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed!
[07:59] <nothingssomethin> that's what i thought too
[08:00] <robotgeek> Orborde: cause firefox is already loaded in memory
[08:00] <robotgeek> thanks, ubotu
[08:00] <amrit> hi.  anyone know if there's a way to boot the ubuntu live disc in text mode?
[08:00] <Orborde> Doomhammer: Why would I need to shut it down? This is Linux! You're not supposed to have to do that! Or something.
[08:00] <nothingssomethin> but when i log in with root nothing comes up
[08:00] <Madpilot> who made ubotu say that, anyway?
[08:00] <supernix> guys just curious shouldnt you never see a root login ?
[08:00] <nothingssomethin> it is blank
[08:00] <Madpilot> !rootsude
[08:00] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, Madpilot
[08:00] <Doomhammer> Orborde: i dunno, i'm not even sure you need to shut it down... try it without shutting it down
[08:00] <Madpilot> !rootsudo
[08:00] <supernix> As I recall the root login is disabled by default
[08:00] <ubotu> rootsudo is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:01] <Madpilot> nothingssomethin: see the RootSudo link ubotu just posted for info
[08:01] <nickrud> supernix, now and then, especially if you use some web based admin systems
[08:01] <Amaranth> amrit: If you're really the root user you should know that it's a bad idea to IRC as root.
[08:01] <robotgeek> Orborde: since it's in memory already, replacing the one on disk will not affect it...apt get is intelligent enuf to tell you if u need to
[08:01] <Orborde> Doomhammer: Yeah, that's the plan.
[08:01] <amrit> Amaranth: yeah, and someone should fix the crappy text matching support in infobots... for the last few years now.
[08:01] <supernix> I know that you can sudo into it that I am aware of but like if you do w root should never show up I would think right ?
[08:02] <Orborde> robotgeek: woo for Linux. Sometimes more intelligent than windows!
[08:02] <robotgeek> mostly, yes
[08:02] <Belutz> which linux distro that the first using sudo ?
[08:02] <saintFrance> so i installed the nvidia driver.. now what/
[08:02] <robotgeek> sudo is just a program which was there in Debian AFAIK
[08:02] <robotgeek> OS X also uses sudo
[08:02] <Orborde> robotgeek: See, this is part of why I find Linux so glorious. I can screw around with my network and whatnot all I want and I don't ever have to reboot.
[08:02] <Amaranth> amrit: ...
[08:03] <robotgeek> Orborde: :) may the source be with you!
[08:03] <Amaranth> amrit: Don't get on IRC with a user name like that and you won't have to complain about the bots.
[08:03] <Doomhammer> Orborde: and, unlike win98, there aren't 100 reboots during the install ! :D
[08:03] <nickrud> supernix, I'll give a specific example: I need a root account so I can get around the disabling of the cups web admin interface
[08:03] <Madpilot> hmmm -  anyone else use BitTorrent here? gnometorrents specifically?
[08:03] <nickrud> supernix, sudo is not perfect
[08:03] <saintFrance> so guys.. i still dont have any higher resolutions.. i installed the nvidia drivers
[08:03] <nothingssomethin> but how can sudo help starting up programs
[08:03] <amrit> Amaranth: or... i could expect that a bot would be able to distinguish between r00t and root?  is that too much to ask?
[08:03] <Doomhammer> nickrud: you can "create" a root acound by doing this: sudo passwd root
[08:04] <nickrud> heh
[08:04] <nothingssomethin> i enabled login with root account with ubuntu
[08:04] <saintFrance> whats a root account?
[08:04] <Doomhammer> saintFrance: root == good
[08:04] <Doomhammer> god, i mean
[08:04] <nothingssomethin> yes
[08:04] <Doomhammer> LOL
[08:04] <saintFrance> so how do i get one?
[08:04] <robotgeek> a root account is a superuser/admin acct
[08:04] <Amaranth> amrit: But why have R00T if you know the bot is going to do it?
[08:04] <saintFrance> i see
[08:04] <saintFrance> so thats why my account isnt root?
[08:04] <nothingssomethin> you can fuc* up your comp that way
[08:04] <Amaranth> amrit: Do you think it makes you look cool?
[08:05] <robotgeek> Amaranth: :)
[08:05] <Doomhammer> saintFrance: yes, it's a safety measure... root can fux0r the system badly
[08:05] <Doomhammer> if he so chooses :)
[08:05] <nothingssomethin> you already have on
[08:05] <saintFrance> haha i see
[08:05] <amrit> Amaranth: absolutely.
[08:05] <robotgeek> fubar, is the word
[08:05] <Doomhammer> meh
[08:05] <nothingssomethin> when you do something as su it baiscily does it as root
[08:05] <Amaranth> amrit: Well, complaining about the bot 5 seconds after joining killed any chance of that. :)
[08:05] <saintFrance> i see
[08:05] <saintFrance> well is it better to have a root account?
[08:05] <Amaranth> !rootsudo
[08:05] <ubotu> I heard rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:05] <nothingssomethin> stands for super user
[08:06] <robotgeek> saintFrance:  not really, you shud go root, only only if you really really need to!
[08:06] <nothingssomethin> no see you have one
[08:06] <amrit> Amaranth: complaining about bots is always cool.
[08:06] <amrit> Amaranth: so, any idea how to get this damn live disc into text mode instead of having to wait for X/gnome?
[08:06] <nothingssomethin> you have a root account you can use it in shell
[08:07] <nickrud> !ubotu rocks
[08:07] <ubotu> nickrud: I don't know, could you explain it?
[08:07] <robotgeek> amrit: me don't like ppl cribbing abt me or me cousins
[08:07] <saintFrance> lol i just installed ubuntu.. i have no clue how to use it so lol
[08:07] <amrit> ...
[08:07] <Amaranth> amrit: I believe it's a boot up option if you catch it at the right point. And please don't swear.
[08:07] <nothingssomethin> but i enabled my account to be able to be used in the ubuntu gnome GUI
[08:07] <nothingssomethin> GUI = graphical user interface
[08:08] <Doomhammer> GUI = jello ?
[08:08] <Doomhammer> :)
[08:08] <robotgeek> Amaranth: shudn't ctrl + alt + f1 etc work?
[08:08] <nothingssomethin> ok
[08:08] <saintFrance> anyway guys.. so what can i do about my reso?
[08:08] <nothingssomethin> try this
[08:08] <saintFrance> or should i just leave it at 1024x768
[08:08] <Amaranth> robotgeek: He would have to wait for it to load X before doing that.
[08:08] <nothingssomethin> go to applications
[08:08] <nickrud> robotgeek, you using breezy?
[08:08] <Razor-X> does anything in Ubuntu listen to SMTP by default?
[08:08] <robotgeek> Amaranth: ah okay
[08:08] <Amaranth> amrit: Of course the main point of the Live CD is to demo Ubuntu so this may not be possible.
[08:08] <Amaranth> Razor-X: Not outside of localhost, afaik.
[08:08] <amrit> Amaranth: sure thing.  and yeah, i thought it was something passed at boot, but i can't find anything helpful.  (also tried runlevel 2 as with knoppix)
[08:09] <nothingssomethin> applications=> system tools=> terminal
[08:09] <Razor-X> Amaranth: yeah, localhost
[08:09] <robotgeek> nickrud: me don't want to break my system for 15 more days!
[08:09] <saintFrance> hey guys whats a KDE?
[08:09] <saintFrance> lol..
[08:09] <Razor-X> because, I'm not quite sure what it is that's listening
[08:09] <nickrud> hah, I had to try early
[08:09] <Razor-X> saintFrance: it's a Window Manager
[08:09] <nothingssomethin> that's for you saintFrance
[08:09] <amrit> Amaranth: yeah, sucks.  i'm mainly using it cuz i can't find any other live disc that has lvm2 support..
[08:09] <saintFrance> alright
[08:09] <Razor-X> Amaranth: i'm trying out qmail ;)
[08:09] <Amaranth> KDE = K Desktop Environment, it's a Desktop Environment like GNOME
[08:09] <amrit> Amaranth: oh well, i'll live with it.  see ya.
[08:09] <Razor-X> compiled qmail, meh
[08:09] <Razor-X> I know it's not sendmail
[08:09] <nickrud> I asked cuz alt-ctl-f1 didn't switch out in breezy as of today
[08:09] <saintFrance> nothingsomethin then waht?
[08:09] <nothingssomethin> it opened up a box that looks lie dos right
[08:10] <Amaranth> nickrud: Your keyboard config is messed up.
[08:10] <saintFrance> yah
[08:10] <nothingssomethin> saintFrance: you were previously windows right
[08:10] <Amaranth> nickrud: Whatever it is it's something you did or didn't do, it works here. :)
[08:10] <saintFrance> yah
[08:10] <nickrud> Amaranth, I am sure that, it about 15 days, it'll be workth checking again :)
[08:10] <saintFrance> well i still do have windows i have dual boot right now
[08:10] <nothingssomethin> saintFrance: so was i
[08:10] <nothingssomethin> ok
[08:10] <saintFrance> anyway im at termina
[08:11] <robotgeek> nickrud: do u have a function key?
[08:11] <nothingssomethin> type in " su " \
[08:11] <nothingssomethin> and press enter
[08:11] <saintFrance> alright
[08:11] <nickrud> no, a variant of the microsoft natural keybard
[08:11] <saintFrance> now it just became >
[08:11] <Amaranth> nickrud: sudo apt-get install xkeyboard-config ?
[08:11] <CungYen_Bakpao> hello, i got question here
[08:11] <robotgeek> nickrud: cause i have to do a ctrl + alt + fn + f1
[08:12] <nothingssomethin> saintFrance: you will need to type in a password
[08:12] <saintFrance> alright
[08:12] <nickrud> Amaranth, I think that specific package was listed as broken in aptitude when I did the package update aftier the initial install.
[08:12] <CungYen_Bakpao> does anyone know how to set window default position in desktop?
[08:12] <Amaranth> nickrud: ah, i know the answer then
[08:12] <nickrud> probably a hiccup
[08:13] <nothingssomethin> see root
[08:13] <nothingssomethin> to the left
[08:13] <saintFrance> ?
[08:13] <Doomhammer> got root?
[08:13] <nothingssomethin> that's your root account
[08:13] <saintFrance> huh? wait what?
[08:13] <saintFrance> i did " su " \
[08:13] <nothingssomethin> no
[08:13] <robotgeek> nah...just a su
[08:13] <Amaranth> nickrud: sudo dpkg -i --force-missconf /var/cache/apt/archives/xkeyboard-config_0.5-3_all.deb
[08:13] <nothingssomethin> just su
[08:13] <saintFrance> then it just became >
[08:13] <saintFrance> so what does this do?
[08:13] <nickrud> heh, just after I rebooted to hoary to look at backports :)
[08:14] <nothingssomethin> you have ubuntu right
[08:14] <saintFrance> yah
[08:14] <nothingssomethin> does it say horray
[08:14] <nothingssomethin> hedghog
[08:14] <saintFrance> where?
[08:14] <saintFrance> wait wiat can we start over
[08:14] <nothingssomethin> sure
[08:14] <saintFrance> so i typed in " su " \ in terminal
[08:14] <robotgeek> :)
[08:14] <nothingssomethin> no
[08:15] <nothingssomethin> blake@LittleWhiteBox:~$ su
[08:15] <saintFrance> oh lol
[08:15] <nothingssomethin> that's what it  should look like when you press enter
[08:15] <robotgeek> saintFrance: just type  "sudo su" and enter YOUR password
[08:15] <saintFrance> alright
[08:15] <saintFrance> it says
[08:16] <nothingssomethin> he thinks you type su/
[08:16] <Doomhammer> night all!
[08:16] <saintFrance> roo@ubuntu:/home/saint
[08:16] <nothingssomethin> yes
[08:16] <nothingssomethin> that is your root account
[08:16] <saintFrance> i see
[08:16] <saintFrance> so what does this do?
[08:16] <nothingssomethin> but you cannot login as that
[08:16] <saintFrance> ahh i see
[08:16] <saintFrance> i see
[08:16] <robotgeek> be very very careful!
[08:16] <saintFrance> lmao
[08:16] <nothingssomethin> it's like a higher administrator
[08:16] <Madpilot> saintFrance: have you read the RootSudo URL that's been posted for you?
[08:16] <saintFrance> *first day using linux* dont want to mess things up
[08:16] <saintFrance> yah
[08:16] <saintFrance> i read it
[08:16] <Belutz> why not just type 'su' ??
[08:17] <Belutz> why it has to be 'sudo su' ?
[08:17] <saintFrance> anyway.. guys the !resolution thing i went to
[08:17] <saintFrance> doesnt help on giving me higher resolutions
[08:17] <saintFrance> :(
[08:17] <supernix> hiya gang is there a good link on how to secure ubuntu ?
[08:17] <saintFrance> or should i just leave it at 1024x768?
[08:17] <robotgeek> cause simply su doesn't work
[08:18] <robotgeek> lol
[08:18] <robotgeek> bad joke!
[08:18] <nothingssomethin> saintFrance : you might want to type in su  space then your old user name
[08:18] <arvan> 
[08:18] <arvan> hi
[08:18] <nothingssomethin> saintFrance : that will get you out of root
[08:18] <robotgeek> or just type exit
[08:18] <saintFrance> alright i left it
[08:18] <nothingssomethin> back in safe territory
[08:18] <saintFrance> and closed it
[08:19] <saintFrance> so what can i do with linux anyway?
[08:19] <saintFrance> lol
[08:19] <nothingssomethin> robo it dosen't get me out of root when i type exit
[08:19] <_olaf> use the internet
[08:19] <nothingssomethin> robotgeek
[08:19] <robotgeek> nothingssomethin: it does for me!
[08:19] <Belutz> robotgeek: i could just type 'su' enter the password and gain access to root account
[08:19] <saintFrance> hey how do i change GNOME to a different KDE?
[08:20] <robotgeek> Belutz: that doesn't work for me...i wonder why?
[08:20] <nothingssomethin> robotgeek: are you sereous you got hedghog
[08:20] <saintFrance> wats a hedghog?
[08:20] <nothingssomethin> or horay
[08:20] <saintFrance> !!!
[08:20] <robotgeek> nothingssomethin: yessir!!
[08:20] <ubotu> I guess ! is what u add before a sentence to talk to me
[08:20] <Belutz> robotgeek: hmmm... strange...
[08:20] <nothingssomethin> weird
[08:20] <n1xt3r> supernix: if there's not one for ubuntu I'm sure there's one for debian that should apply
[08:20] <nickrud> saintFrance, a mean little rodent
[08:20] <Madpilot> saintFrance: Gnome isn't "a KDE", KDE & Gnome are different desktop progs
[08:20] <nothingssomethin> robotgeek : it just puts me back in home dir
[08:21] <supernix> ok ty n1
[08:21] <saintFrance> i see.. so how do i use a different desktop prog?
[08:21] <robotgeek> urs or root's?
[08:21] <nothingssomethin> saintfrance: here's something that works in terminal or(shell) that also works in dos
[08:21] <nothingssomethin> cd ..
[08:21] <nothingssomethin> lol
[08:21] <Madpilot> saintFrance: why not stick with Gnome until you're more comfortable in Linux generally?
[08:21] <saintFrance> alright!
[08:21] <saintFrance> lol
[08:21] <supernix> n1xt3r: any examples anywhere about the differences between ubuntu and debian ?
[08:21] <robotgeek> note the spaces though!
[08:21] <saintFrance> coz i saw ppl with nice desktops
[08:21] <saintFrance> lmao
[08:22] <nothingssomethin> cd also means change dir
[08:22] <saintFrance> oh cool!
[08:22] <saintFrance> anyway guys.. SOO what should i do now with linux?
[08:22] <nothingssomethin> but rember that lunix uses / instead of \
[08:22] <robotgeek> alrite off to bed!
[08:22] <oracle> Hi everybody
[08:23] <highvoltage> hi oracle
[08:23] <nothingssomethin> later robotgeek
[08:23] <robotgeek> cya guys later!
[08:23] <oracle> can you help me
[08:23] <saintFrance> cya thanks btw robotgeek
[08:23] <Madpilot> saintFrance: for basic command line tutorial, start here: http://linuxcommand.org/
[08:23] <robotgeek> saintFrance: ni probs
[08:23] <n1xt3r> supernix: none that I know of, but there have been some recent reviews
[08:23] <saintFrance> oh thanks madpilot
[08:23] <oracle> I installed ubunto
[08:23] <oracle> ubuntu^_^
[08:24] <Madpilot> saintFrance: np. that's the best basic command line tutorial I've found in a couple of months of googling
[08:24] <oracle> but it don't detect graphic driver
[08:24] <wmealing> cmon, with a topic like that.. i wanna use breezy.
[08:24] <Madpilot> !ati
[08:24] <ubotu> rumour has it, ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
 anyway guys.. SOO what should i do now with linux?
[08:24] <_olaf> upgrade shit like crazy
[08:24] <oracle> Who can help me
[08:24] <Madpilot> oracle: for starters, see the link that ubotu just posted
[08:24] <nothingssomethin> saintfrance: if you are useing x-chat then doing chatersname then : makes your message red to that person
[08:25] <eighttsman> can anyone help me with getting a p2p program?
[08:25] <saintFrance> oh i see
[08:25] <nothingssomethin> i'm pretty sure
[08:25] <saintFrance> nothingssomethin : hi
[08:25] <eighttsman> im new with linux and am using ubuntu
[08:25] <saintFrance> lol
[08:25] <nickrud> Madpilot, thats a pretty good link, thanks
[08:25] <saintFrance> nothingssomethin: hi
[08:25] <saintFrance> like that?
[08:25] <nothingssomethin> saintFrance: yeah
[08:25] <saintFrance> nothingssomethin: yay!
[08:25] <saintFrance> lol..
[08:25] <saintFrance> :D
[08:25] <eighttsman> so can anyone help me?
[08:26] <nothingssomethin> i'm a newbie myself but i'll try
[08:26] <nickrud> !bash
[08:26] <saintFrance> madpilot: alright thanks for the site.. ima go read it then
[08:26] <ubotu> nickrud: Bugger all, i dunno
[08:26] <concept10> eighttsman, go and get limewire
[08:26] <Madpilot> nickrud: the linuxcommand one? yeah, I'm glad I found it!
[08:26] <eighttsman> i tried..
[08:26] <nothingssomethin> oooh no
[08:26] <eighttsman> it wont let me dl it
[08:26] <nothingssomethin> don't do that
[08:26] <concept10> !limewire
[08:26] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, limewire is at http://ubuntuguide.org/#limewire
[08:26] <eighttsman> i try to dl it, and then nothing pops up on my download screen
[08:27] <nothingssomethin> get gtk_guntella
[08:27] <transgress> k can someone help me out... anyone know how this guy got his menu bar on his panel in this screenshot?  http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=13548
[08:27] <saintFrance> alright BRB GUYS ima go read and understand this
[08:27] <nothingssomethin> sorry man i tryed for 3 days to install limewire and i had java problems out the ass
[08:27] <nickrud> Madpilot, yeah, brief, but clear
[08:27] <nothingssomethin> get gtk_guntella and you don't need java
[08:27] <eighttsman> yeah, thats what i think i have, but i mean, like on my ubuntu.. nothing will dl?
[08:27] <nothingssomethin> ad it's ok fast
[08:27] <eighttsman> where do i go for that
[08:28] <concept10> nothingssomethin, what platform are you using?
[08:28] <nothingssomethin> hedghog
[08:28] <linlin> transgress, there seems to be a guid on that page
[08:28] <concept10> nothingssomethin, I mean processor
[08:28] <nothingssomethin> last night i finally got updated java
[08:28] <nothingssomethin> oooh 3oo something
[08:28] <eighttsman> yeah, i cant even update my java either
[08:29] <eighttsman> how about this quesiton
[08:29] <nothingssomethin> 300something mh
[08:29] <concept10> installing lime wire is easy (once you get java installed)
[08:29] <nothingssomethin> but it's screaming
[08:29] <Amaranth> smeg 0.8 isn't looking so hopeless after all
[08:29] <eighttsman> knoppix... where can i get a full version for my computer
[08:29] <nothingssomethin> now i have limewire
[08:29] <eighttsman> i dont want a live version
[08:29] <Amaranth> http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg-devel/menus_loading.png
[08:29] <saintFrance> btw guys.. WHo here uses just ubuntu and no windows?
[08:29] <linlin> me
[08:29] <eighttsman> id o
[08:29] <Amaranth> i'm slowly but surely getting back to where i was before the crash
[08:29] <eighttsman> i do
[08:29] <linlin> i have win 2000 on ly laptop, but thats it
[08:30] <nothingssomethin> saintFrance: what you mean on the same mechine
[08:30] <nothingssomethin> saintFrance: or in the same house
[08:30] <eighttsman> so can anyone get me a full version of knoppix?
[08:31] <Razor-X> I think I got qmail set up! ;)
[08:31] <Madpilot> saintFrance: linux & no windows? me...
[08:31] <nothingssomethin> it was a bitch updateing java i tryed it from the reposotories and it didn't work then i just went to java.com and they walked me through it but i have to do some things in shelll and mess with mozilla file
[08:32] <Madpilot> Razor-X: what's qmail/
[08:32] <Madpilot> ?
[08:32] <saintFrance> same machine
[08:32] <saintFrance> madpilot: i see
[08:32] <bimberi> eighttsman: iirc you install knoppix from the live-cd
[08:32] <saintFrance> madpilot: how do u live?!
[08:32] <Razor-X> Madpilot: mail server
[08:33] <Razor-X> now, I still don't _know_ yet, I _think_
[08:33] <nothingssomethin> hey i found a sweet ass cd burning software for free
[08:33] <Madpilot> saintFrance: I live on a computer without any Gates or Windows. <heh>
[08:33] <eighttsman> so no one can help with knoppix?
[08:33] <saintFrance> madpilot: lmao.. well ill prolly end up being that way anyway
[08:34] <nothingssomethin> it has a gui
[08:34] <Razor-X> nothingssomethin: there are only a handful of notable ones, so shoot
[08:34] <nothingssomethin> it caled graveman
[08:34] <saintFrance> madpilot: after i learn how to use it tho
[08:34] <nothingssomethin> this one has a gui and converts any music file to whatever and makes iso's
[08:34] <Madpilot> nothingssomethin: there's several free burner apps - even Nautilus will burn most CD types
[08:34] <nothingssomethin> yeah but you do it in shell
[08:35] <nothingssomethin> and that's confuseing
[08:35] <nickrud> nothingssomethin, next time for java, use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[08:35] <Madpilot> nothingssomethin: with Nautilus? nope, it's all on the GUI. same with Gnomebaker & k3b
[08:35] <nothingssomethin> i might try them
[08:35] <nothingssomethin> cause graveman has a bad buffer
[08:36] <Madpilot> nothingssomethin: Nautilus is just Ubuntu's default file manager - it burns as well.
[08:36] <Razor-X> nothingssomethin: shell is confusing?
[08:36] <Razor-X> I use the shell all the time ;)
[08:36] <Razor-X> I do only 3 activities out of it, meh
[08:36] <Razor-X> (i'm chatting now in my shell, for those of you who haven't encountered a CLI IRC Client)
[08:36] <nothingssomethin> lol for me i'm just now not becomeing afraid of scripts becaue i was setting up SWAT with samba
[08:36] <saintFrance> guys i still cant get any higher reso.. this small reso is just HUGE in my comp lol
[08:37] <Belutz> Razor-X: u use bash?
[08:37] <Amaranth> I just did in one day what took me one month before.
[08:37] <nothingssomethin> and it wasn't working right so now i'm trying to find a GUI ftp server
[08:37] <Razor-X> Belutz: zsh
[08:37] <saintFrance> !resolutions
[08:37] <ubotu> saintFrance: Are you smoking crack?
[08:37] <nothingssomethin> maybe a browser GUI
[08:37] <saintFrance> !resolution
[08:37] <ubotu> rumour has it, resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:37] <Amaranth> http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg-devel/menus_loading.png
[08:37] <saintFrance> ubotu saintFrance: Are you smoking crack?
[08:37] <ubotu> okay, saintFrance
[08:37] <saintFrance> lmao
[08:37] <Amaranth> nickrud: look at it, damnit :)
[08:38] <Belutz> Razor-X: how to make color ls in zsh like in bash?
[08:38] <Amaranth> !saintFrance
[08:38] <ubotu> Amaranth: I haven't a clue
[08:38] <Amaranth> !saintFrance:
[08:38] <Razor-X> Belutz: make what color?
[08:38] <Amaranth> grr
[08:38] <nickrud> did, twice, I just don't do much stuff with my menus, I always put them on the panel, cuz it worked in the past ;P
[08:39] <Belutz> Razor-X: when you type 'ls' in shell then the file is displayed in different color
[08:39] <Amaranth> omg, saintFrance discovered a feature in ubotu
[08:39] <Razor-X> Belutz: *grin* everyone loves that ;)
[08:39] <nothingssomethin> he probbally in 1 on 1 with someone
[08:39] <saintFrance> ?
[08:39] <saintFrance> what?!
[08:39] <saintFrance> lmao
[08:39] <Amaranth> !saintfrance:
[08:39] <Amaranth> hmm, it doesn't work here
[08:39] <Razor-X> Belutz: add this to your .zshrc
[08:39] <Amaranth> ubotu: saintfrance:
[08:39] <Belutz> Razor-X: yup... this worls is full of color... :D
[08:39] <saintFrance> i just did !resolutions
[08:39] <floppyears> hi
[08:39] <saintFrance> !resolutions
[08:39] <Razor-X> if [[ $TERM != 'dumb' ] ] 
[08:39] <ubotu> saintFrance: Bugger all, i dunno
[08:39] <Amaranth> it only works in pm
[08:39] <Razor-X> then
[08:40] <saintFrance> he said if i was smoking crack
[08:40] <saintFrance> lmao
[08:40] <Razor-X> alias ls='ls --color=auto'
[08:40] <Razor-X> fi
[08:40] <floppyears> I am not sure which one I should be using apt-get or aptitude
[08:40] <Razor-X> there you are
[08:40] <floppyears> is one better than the other ?
[08:40] <Razor-X> it's already in your .bashrc
[08:40] <Belutz> oh ic ....
[08:40] <Razor-X> but, that should be added into your .zshrc
[08:40] <nothingssomethin> what is V
[08:40] <nothingssomethin> what is !resolutions
[08:40] <Belutz> didn't recognize that in .bashrc
[08:40] <nothingssomethin> i don't even know
[08:40] <Razor-X> Belutz: you have something similar there
[08:40] <nickrud> floppyears, if you start from the beginning with aptitude, you will prosper
[08:40] <Belutz> Razor-X: so, what else zsh can do?
[08:40] <Razor-X> I harvested quite a few things from there
[08:41] <Madpilot> !resolution
[08:41] <ubotu> resolution is, like, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:41] <Razor-X> Belutz: it can do a _ton_ of things
[08:41] <Razor-X> especially if you script with it, or do advanced interactive stuff
[08:41] <Madpilot> saintFrance: leave the "s" off.
[08:41] <thuron> java
[08:41] <saintFrance> i know i figured
[08:41] <saintFrance> lol it was just funny
[08:41] <Belutz> Razor-X: could you give an example?
[08:41] <saintFrance> madpilot: i tried it.. but it didnt give me new resolutions
[08:41] <Razor-X> Belutz: ``!!'' style history
[08:42] <Razor-X> you can use !! to call the last command
[08:42] <floppyears> nickrud: why should I use aptitude over apt-get ? I have heard that aptitude can be really slow and have a lot of baggage :(
[08:42] <Razor-X> !!:t to call the tail of the last command (say that was cd /foo/bar, it would return ``bar'')
[08:42] <thuron> java help for a complete noob
[08:42] <ubotu> Razor-X: I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about
[08:42] <Belutz> Razor-X: cool !
[08:42] <nickrud> well, I'd say the 'slow' 'lots of baggage' is fud. Plainly.
[08:43] <Razor-X> Belutz: you don't even have to add that into your .zshrc at the moment, to get it to work without restarting your term, you can type it in, inserting ``;'' s whenever you see a linebreak
[08:43] <Razor-X> but, if you want it to work with every zsh instance, add it in your .zshrc
[08:44] <nickrud> floppyears, I've used it nearly exclusively for around 5 years. Mr. Burrows and compatriots have my life easier
[08:44] <Madpilot> saintFrance: sorry - i meant when talking to ubotu to get this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:44] <floppyears> nickrud: thanks
[08:44] <Belutz> yup... i usually just edit the zshrc in /etc/zsh
[08:44] <Madpilot> ubotu tell thuron about java
[08:44] <Razor-X> Belutz: shouldn't do that
[08:44] <Razor-X> if you ever want someone else to use it, yeah
[08:44] <Razor-X> plus, it's more convenient with stuff you want to add linking to your ``~'' directory
[08:45] <Belutz> Razor-X: hmmm i see...
[08:45] <Razor-X> other nice things about zsh are, (i'm not sure if this works by default, but it doesen't take much configuration) if you tell zsh ``/foo/bar'' and it's not a file
[08:45] <Razor-X> it'll automatically try to cd to it
[08:45] <Razor-X> while that _can_ get annoying at times, it's been a boon to me
[08:45] <Razor-X> (hard to get out of the ``cd'' habit, though)
[08:46] <Belutz> wewww
[08:46] <Belutz> cool!
[08:46] <Razor-X> echo is not really used in zsh, you use ``print'' (which has a few more features)
[08:46] <Belutz> can tcsh do that?
[08:46] <Razor-X> i'm not sure
[08:46] <Razor-X> !! is a tcsh thing
[08:46] <ubotu> ...but ! is already something else...
[08:46] <Belutz> so... i have to use #!/bin/zsh in shell script file?
[08:47] <Madpilot> Razor-X: you're confusing the poor bot tonight...
[08:47] <Razor-X> Belutz: if you want to use zsh in a shell script, yeah
[08:47] <Razor-X> but BASH shell scripts still call BASH
[08:47] <Razor-X> Madpilot: meh
[08:47] <Belutz> hahaha... it's fun to see ubotu confuse :p
[08:47] <Belutz> Razor-X: ic...
[08:49] <Razor-X> if [ blah = blah ]  is also deprecated in zsh
[08:49] <jesusfish> any one know of a 2.6.12 kernel package for hoary?
[08:49] <Belutz> any good documentation about zsh?
[08:49] <Razor-X> it's there, for those two stuck in their sh/BASH way, but [[ blah = blah] ]  is better, because it has some more features
[08:49] <Razor-X> Belutz: i'll get you the guide i'm following to learn zsh
[08:49] <Razor-X> http://zsh.sunsite.dk/Guide/zshguide.html
[08:49] <Razor-X> a bit old, nonetheless good
[08:49] <tiglionabbit> hey, I just burned a new hoary CD, and am installing it on my desktop.  Why is it trying to install LILO instead of GRUB?
[08:50] <Belutz> Razor-X: thx :)
[08:50] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: beats me *shrugs*
[08:50] <nickrud> tiglionabbit, cuz lilo rocks, basically
[08:50] <tiglionabbit> but...  I like grub
[08:50] <steady> yo
[08:51] <Razor-X> I know some LILO, and a lot more GRUB
[08:51] <Belutz> Razor-X: about the terminal, what terminal do u use? Xterm ?
[08:51] <ohbuntut> weh Belutz
[08:51] <saintFrance> brb guys
[08:51] <nickrud> tiglionabbit, you should be able to abort the lilo, install, and select a grub install. You must have got onto a non-standard path
[08:51] <tiglionabbit> um, why can't I install grub instead?
[08:51] <ohbuntut> dari indonesia ke Belutz
[08:51] <Belutz> ohbuntut: yup
[08:51] <ohbuntut> kekekek
[08:52] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: you can
[08:52] <Belutz> ohbuntut: speak indonesian only in #ubuntu-id :)
[08:52] <Razor-X> you can change the install steps
[08:52] <ohbuntut> ok
[08:52] <Razor-X> (IIRC)
[08:52] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: how?
[08:52] <tiglionabbit> I'm doing a normal install.  I'm using LVM
[08:52] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: there should be an option somewhere, when I installed Hoary
[08:53] <AndieB> God morning!
[08:53] <nickrud> hm, I get to bail, cuz I've never used lvm.
[08:53] <tiglionabbit> it's like "The LILO program needs to be installed to make your system bootable"
[08:53] <AndieB> Sorry, Good I mean... ;)
[08:53] <tiglionabbit> and doesn't let me choose grub
[08:53] <AndieB> How do I updat OpenOffice to a Swedish layout and to release 1.1.4?
[08:54] <tiglionabbit> what should I do?
[08:54] <nickrud> tiglionabbit, I'd just let the install put lilo in as the boot. Switch to grub later, after the install is done
[08:55] <tiglionabbit> how do I switch to grub later?
[08:55] <saintFrance> GUESS WHO FIXED HIS RESOLUTION?! me
[08:55] <saintFrance> lol im so excited
[08:55] <Belutz> saintFrance: congratz :D
[08:56] <nickrud> hm, I use lilo by pref, I only use grub cuz hoary does. grub-install does come to mind, though
[08:56] <Madpilot> saintFrance: cool - so what worked, in the end?
[08:56] <AndieB> Hmm, It's okay, I read that it is not possible to patch an update with OpenOffice.
[08:56] <saintFrance> oh
[08:56] <saintFrance> configuring xorg.conf
[08:56] <saintFrance> with my monitor
[08:56] <saintFrance> and adding the resos
[08:57] <tiglionabbit> hehe, I need to use ubuntu, because I'm a moron.  When I tried to use gentoo, I must have accidentally formatted my root partition as swap, because that's what ubuntu's partitioner detected it as
[08:57] <AndieB> tiglionabbit: Ouch...
[08:58] <tiglionabbit> gentoo installed, but it took fricking ages
[08:58] <tiglionabbit> of course, it probably usually does
[08:58] <jesusfish> any one know of a 2.6.12 kernel package for hoary?
[08:58] <bimberi> saintFrance: Great!
[08:58] <nickrud> lol, packages, packages and packages, and thanks to all
[08:59] <saintFrance> :D
[08:59] <saintFrance> im so happy
[08:59] <saintFrance> im not a linux virgin no more
[08:59] <saintFrance> lol
[08:59] <Belutz> i haven't got my ship it CD's :~(
[09:00] <bimberi> saintFrance: this is why people use linux - it feels great when you get past some of its annoyances :)
[09:00] <nickrud> saintFrance, congrats, and many happy returns :)
[09:00] <saintFrance> aha ill stick here for awhile
[09:00] <saintFrance> nice meeting u great guys
[09:00] <saintFrance> btw.. my name is francis if u didnt know yet
[09:00] <mebaran151> any hacks to X working in Breezy or do I have to live with an X that cant load because it cant find the keybaord modules
[09:00] <Belutz> nice to meet you francis
[09:01] <mebaran151> unfortunately Hoary's default install kernel fails to use my 6600 GT on PCI-E
[09:01] <mebaran151> Breezy is good with it though
[09:01] <nickrud> mebaran151, this afternoon's X version worked fine, except for a hiccup
[09:02] <nickrud> damn, it scrolled out of reach
[09:03] <mebaran151> nickrud: cool
[09:03] <mebaran151> let me try it now
[09:04] <nickrud> mebaran151, it was not accepting ctl-alt-f1 for the console, if Amaranth is around, maybe he'll repost fix
[09:05] <Amaranth> sudo dpkg -i --force-missconf /var/cache/apt/archives/xkeyboard-config_0.5-3_all.deb
[09:05] <Amaranth> nickrud: That did fix it, right?
[09:06] <nickrud> Amaranth, I'll need to reboot to breezy to check. I'm hoping mebaran151 will tell us sooner :)
[09:07] <bimberi> nickrud: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-current.html  <-- can be useful when things scroll out of reach
[09:08] <nickrud> heh, I just set up a 5,000 line scrollback
[09:08] <Razor-X> gah, I don't know what to do with qmail after it's supposedly installed ;)
[09:08] <Razor-X> time to read some more
[09:08] <Razor-X> wow, nobody's talking
[09:09] <bimberi> ubotu: irclogs is http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/
[09:09] <ubotu> okay, bimberi
[09:09] <Razor-X> did I get netsplitted? o_O
[09:09] <nickrud> I've always wondered about the ethics of logging irc; it's supposed to be ephemeral, as apposed to mail lilsts
[09:09] <Madpilot> no, there's a few ppl actually around...
[09:09] <floppyears> hi
[09:09] <floppyears> some of the folders in my home directory have 000 as their permission bits
[09:10] <Razor-X> nickrud: I have 239,282 lines of logs here
[09:10] <Razor-X> of this channel
[09:10] <floppyears> how can I make it so that all folders adn subfolders in a specific directory have the correct permissions
[09:10] <Razor-X> I do it for overall language study
[09:10] <Razor-X> floppyears: chmod -R
[09:10] <nickrud> oh, please, keep me out of that. I typo everywhere :)
[09:11] <bimberi> lol
[09:11] <zagalo> hai
[09:11] <Razor-X> nickrud: meh
[09:11] <Razor-X> well, i'm trying to create RINNS
[09:11] <floppyears> Razor-X: yes, but the problems is that if I do chmod -R  755 * it will affect not only the folders but also regular files
[09:11] <Razor-X> RINNS Is Not NetSpeak
[09:12] <Razor-X> floppyears: just the folders, hmm?
[09:12] <floppyears> and I want this chmod command to apply only to folders
[09:12] <floppyears> Razor-X: yep
[09:12] <Razor-X> floppyears: cp * *.file
[09:12] <Razor-X> and try to chmod everything that doesen't end in *.file
[09:13] <mebaran151> how do I love kernel poanics
[09:14] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I 'unno
[09:14] <Razor-X> I installed a compiled qmail, mebaran151 -- now what? ;)
[09:14] <saintFrance> so.. how old is everyone here anyway?
[09:14] <megaman_> 22
[09:14] <saintFrance> damn.
[09:14] <nickrud> 49
[09:14] <saintFrance> DAMN
[09:14] <Razor-X> 15
[09:15] <nickrud> damn, again
[09:15] <megaman_> anyone in here use US Cellular?
[09:15] <Razor-X> hoping to be the youngest maintainer, actually
[09:15] <saintFrance> darn
[09:15] <mebaran151> can ubuntu boot from an LVM
[09:15] <Razor-X> mebaran151: yeah
[09:15] <mebaran151> or do I need a separate /boot partition
[09:15] <saintFrance> im 16
[09:15] <saintFrance> lol
[09:15] <djp> can anyone tell me what applications i can test the changes i have made to preferred applications. i have changed my default web browser and want to test whether my changes have worked.
[09:16] <Tomcat_> <- 22
[09:16] <mebaran151> 18 here
[09:16] <Razor-X> saintFrance: are you ready to be a maintainer? because I have competition then ;)
[09:16] <mebaran151> Razor-X: what are you guys maintaining?
[09:16] <saintFrance> Razor-X: i dont even know what a maintainer is
[09:16] <Belutz> djp: double click an HTML file
[09:16] <mebaran151> Razor-X: you realize maintaining is dull work
[09:16] <Razor-X> saintFrance: we build/maintain the packages that you download
[09:16] <nickrud> djp, clicking this link http://gnome.org should open the link in your preferred app
[09:16] <Razor-X> mebaran151: better than the other options
[09:16] <Razor-X> more prestigious, rather
[09:17] <mebaran151> Razor-X: I would do it
[09:17] <mebaran151> just to improve the amd64 pkgs up
[09:17] <mebaran151> that are usually badly done
[09:17] <Razor-X> I would do it to get some more power packages up there
[09:17] <mebaran151> so much stuff can get statically compiled
[09:17] <saintFrance> btw wat are packages?
[09:17] <saintFrance> lol
[09:17] <mebaran151> saintFrance: debs?
[09:17] <djp> Belutz: that opens in firefox still
[09:17] <mebaran151> Razor-X: power
[09:17] <Razor-X> saintFrance: the things you get from synaptic/apt-get/aptitude
[09:17] <mebaran151> like dictatorship?
[09:17] <saintFrance> i see
[09:17] <Razor-X> mebaran151: a lot of the packages support only a few options
[09:17] <mebaran151> (pkg for MS?)
[09:17] <mebaran151> Razor-X: yeah
[09:17] <saintFrance> so what do they do?
[09:18] <mebaran151> some stuff needs to be compiled with better options
[09:18] <Razor-X> and while not everyone uses the obscure ones, power users do
[09:18] <Razor-X> exactly
[09:18] <efigyidol> saintFrance: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packages
[09:18] <djp> nickrud: opens in firefox. i know already though that because i am using x-chat, the program does not work when changes are made to gnome's default application.
[09:19] <saintFrance> lol thanks
[09:19] <djp> apparently programs like xpdf also do not work. it needs to be a program that is gnome specific or something like that...
[09:19] <Razor-X> really nice... errr... episode, yeah ;)
[09:19] <Iceman_AMD64> anyone able to help me install java
[09:19] <nickrud> djp, what I normally do is sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser ; it changes preferences at the lowest leve
[09:19] <Razor-X> I love the KDE maintainer though
[09:19] <nickrud> l
[09:20] <Razor-X> the person who does the KDE packages is incredible
[09:20] <djp> Belutz: the changes i have made are to the System/Preferences/Preferred Applications
[09:20] <saintFrance> guys how do i move like a picture from the desktop somehwere else?
[09:20] <Iceman_AMD64> Does JAVA work in the 64 bit version of ubuntu ?
[09:20] <djp> nickrud: interesting. ok will take a look. thanks
[09:20] <Razor-X> saintFrance: dragging and dropping works in the GUI just like it does in Windows
[09:21] <Razor-X> mebaran151: ``Windows users expect everything to be the same. Let them shove a stick up their ass and learn.''
[09:21] <saintFrance> oh but i cant do it on "file system"
[09:21] <saintFrance> but i can do it on "home folder"
[09:21] <Razor-X> just wanted to share a quote from TLLTS
[09:21] <Razor-X> ;)
[09:21] <nickrud> djp, /etc/alternatives is an interesting place to explore
[09:21] <cafuego> Iceman_AMD64: yes, but not the firefox plugin.
[09:21] <djp> cheers nickrud
[09:22] <Iceman_AMD64> cafuego dang it ... humm what otehr browsers are there for linux ?
[09:22] <Razor-X> Iceman_AMD64: tons
[09:22] <Razor-X> Opera (my favorite, and non-free (libre free))
[09:22] <saintFrance> whats the diff between root terminal and termina
[09:22] <Iceman_AMD64> What will allow me to install java on a 64 bit system ..
[09:22] <Razor-X> Konqueror is KDE
[09:22] <Razor-X> saintFrance: one is run as the root user -- the user with the privileges to do everything on the system, bad or good
[09:22] <cafuego> Iceman_AMD64: It will run as bad as usual if you install a 32bit chroot with a browser, java and the plug-in.
[09:23] <cafuego> Iceman_AMD64: ie: it will run like on anormal 32bit system.
[09:23] <Iceman_AMD64> cafuero lost me ... new at linux.. as well as 64 bit ...
[09:23] <Iceman_AMD64> how to backport the browser ?
[09:24] <Madpilot> saintFrance: you don't need root terminal much.
[09:24] <mebaran151> Iceman_AMD64: you on breezy
[09:24] <Iceman_AMD64> log in as root, and install a 32 bit browser ?
[09:24] <saintFrance> alright
[09:24] <Madpilot> saintFrance: and you can't move stuff around in filesystem because that's almost all owned by root, not by you.
[09:24] <saintFrance> now im just fixing my desktop lol
[09:24] <cafuego> Iceman_AMD64: WHo said anything about backports? I said 32bit chroot.
[09:24] <Iceman_AMD64> ubuntu version 5.04
[09:24] <saintFrance> so wait root owns the comp.. and i own root technically
[09:24] <saintFrance> so omg whos root?
[09:24] <cafuego> Iceman_AMD64: Start by installing debootstrap.
[09:25] <Razor-X> saintFrance: hahahahaha ;)
[09:25] <Iceman_AMD64> whats that
[09:25] <Razor-X> root is your ``dark side''
[09:25] <Madpilot> saintFrance: heh. welcome to linux...
[09:25] <nickrud> saintFrance, that's an 'aha' moment
[09:25] <saintFrance> so i'm root.. but then again im not root
[09:25] <Razor-X> just so that you don't hit the shiny red self destruct button (a very limited oversimplification) we do that
[09:25] <Razor-X> so, you have to consciously try and be root, to be root, comprende?
[09:25] <Iceman_AMD64> whats debootstarp
[09:25] <mebaran151> is 30 GB enough for root
[09:25] <Madpilot> saintFrance: with sudo, you're root when you need to be. the rest of the time, your system is safe from you! ;)
[09:25] <mebaran151> for /
[09:26] <mebaran151> if I take home out
[09:26] <saintFrance> hahAHaha
[09:26] <saintFrance> so if im root.. bad things can happen
[09:26] <Razor-X> mebaran151: this is a 5 GB / partition ;)
[09:26] <saintFrance> i get it
[09:26] <serginho> exit
[09:26] <Razor-X> saintFrance: exactly
[09:26] <Razor-X> until you learn more
[09:26] <mebaran151> Razor-X: what if I want lots and lots and lots of stuff ....
[09:26] <mebaran151> I have never had less than 40GB
[09:26] <Razor-X> mebaran151: ahh, then ;)
[09:26] <saintFrance> i partitioned 20
[09:26] <saintFrance> :D
[09:26] <saintFrance> 60 for windows
[09:26] <Razor-X> i'm going to merge in another GB, I think
[09:26] <Razor-X> Windows gives me headaches
[09:27] <Razor-X> mebaran151: scroll up to see the quote I gave you
[09:27] <saintFrance> but if linux goes on well for me.. well ill just use linux
[09:27] <Madpilot> my root partition is 5Gb - only half full, too
[09:27] <Iceman_AMD64> whats debootstarp
[09:27] <nickrud> me, 5GB for ubuntu, everything else for me
[09:27] <mebaran151> Razor-X: 5GB
[09:27] <saintFrance> btw
[09:27] <Razor-X> Iceman_AMD64: a utilitiy that helps you customize the bootup of a system
[09:27] <mebaran151> I think I will do 20GB
[09:27] <DrFalken> hi ppl!!!
[09:27] <Razor-X> Madpilot: wow... ;)
[09:27] <saintFrance> WAIT
[09:27] <Razor-X> I get a lot of stuff
[09:27] <saintFrance> STOP!! waht is root partition?
[09:27] <Razor-X> only reason i'm staying within 5 GB is because UNIX is small
[09:28] <Razor-X> saintFrance: it's the partition where everything is placed on
[09:28] <Madpilot> saintFrance: that's where your system lives. it's called "filesystem" in Nautilus
[09:28] <nickrud> root partition is where ubunut resides
[09:28] <DrFalken> a lil' question... is there other way to install fonts instead of using "defoma"????
[09:28] <Razor-X> most of the OS is located on the Root partition
[09:28] <nickrud> *ubuntu
[09:28] <Iceman_AMD64> you can boot to 32 bit ubuntu with the 64 bit install ... grub offers the choice
[09:28] <saintFrance> i put 20 gb of parition for ubuntu
[09:28] <Razor-X> saintFrance: Ubuntu then (most likely) partitioned that into three partitions
[09:28] <Razor-X> 1 that contains the system itself
[09:28] <nickrud> the /home partition is where you reside
[09:28] <DrFalken> i'm not using gnome (i use fluxbox)... so, i don't use nautilus
[09:28] <Iceman_AMD64> would like to utilize the 64 bit though
[09:29] <Razor-X> 1 that contains the swap, which is like RAM on your harddrive (the Windows swapfile, for instance)
[09:29] <saintFrance> i see i get it
[09:29] <saintFrance> it says 14.3 GB left for home
[09:29] <saintFrance> i see i see
[09:29] <Razor-X> and 1 contains the boot partition (that controls the bootup of everything on the system)
[09:29] <saintFrance> hey i have two hard drives
[09:29] <saintFrance> how can i see my other one?
[09:29] <Iceman_AMD64> Any browser support 64 bit and java ...
[09:29] <saintFrance> coz i have like music and crap in that one
[09:29] <Razor-X> saintFrance: you can omunt it
[09:30] <saintFrance> what u mean?
[09:30] <Centaur> What is the name of the program that makes file sizes show up in mb and gb in a terminal?
[09:30] <saintFrance> btw so the "home folder" is where all my stuff goes?
[09:31] <saintFrance> sorry.. just getting used to not having a "my computer"
[09:31] <saintFrance> lmao
[09:31] <Madpilot> saintFrance: yeah, your own files and your configuration files
[09:31] <Razor-X> Centaur: ls -s
[09:31] <Razor-X> it shows files in kb
[09:31] <mebaran151> I want to compile nivida drivers manually for breezy
[09:31] <Razor-X> (you can change that behavior, though)
[09:31] <mebaran151> how might
[09:31] <mebaran151> I do that
[09:31] <saintFrance> so i have a slave hard drive.. how do i access that?
[09:32] <mebaran151> with nividia fscking installer
[09:32] <mebaran151> that refuses to run
[09:32] <Razor-X> mebaran151: does nvidia give the source away?
[09:32] <saintFrance> coz its not on the "computer" its not listed as a drive
[09:32] <mebaran151> Razor-X: HELL no
[09:32] <mebaran151> that has a been a big linux gripe for ages
[09:32] <nickrud> saintFrance, yeah, and, mounting is just putting the partitions with your music and stuff where you can find it
[09:32] <Razor-X> mebaran151: 's what I thought
[09:32] <mebaran151> they give you a crappy installer
[09:32] <Centaur> Razor-X: My friend once had it setup to always show sizes not in bytes though, is it possible to do that without a program?
[09:32] <Razor-X> saintFrance: ``My Computer'' is a very nice euphamism for your actual system
[09:32] <saintFrance> so how do i "mount"
[09:33] <Razor-X> Centaur: it's nothing that takes volumes of perusal ;)
[09:34] <Razor-X> Centaur: to view in megabytes, you want
[09:34] <parabolize> saintFrance, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions?highlight=%28windows%29%7C%28mount%29
[09:34] <Razor-X> ls --block-size=1048576 -s
[09:34] <Iceman_AMD64> anyone know a wiki link to java
[09:34] <Madpilot> !java
[09:34] <ubotu> hmm... java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[09:34] <Centaur> yeah, when I type df I would like to see it in mb and gb
[09:34] <mebaran151> Iceman_AMD64: try the free Java
[09:34] <Madpilot> Iceman_AMD64: there you go - see ubotu
[09:34] <sataere> Okay, can someone help me?  I'm trying to configure my atheros based card using madwifi, and it gets an IP and everything, but I'm not able to connect to anything.
[09:34] <Razor-X> Centaur: oh, df
[09:34] <mebaran151> it is fabulous now
[09:34] <mebaran151> in how bad it is
[09:34] <Madpilot> ubotu tell Burgundavia about list
[09:34] <Razor-X> Centaur: have you read the df manpage?
[09:35] <Iceman_AMD64> got to see how to get a browser to run java in 64 bit
[09:35] <DJ_Necrogami> anyone dealt w/ mythtv install w/ ubuntu?
[09:35] <Razor-X> df -B1048576
[09:35] <saintFrance> wat does "mount" mean anyway?
[09:35] <Razor-X> plugged straight from the man page, baby
[09:35] <Centaur> Razor-X, No I didn't cause I thought it was a program that did it
[09:35] <Razor-X> Centaur: what program?
[09:35] <mebaran151> Iceman_AMD64: it might be weird
[09:35] <Razor-X> any program you invoke in a terminal uses itself, generally speaking
[09:35] <mebaran151> I think Java bytecode is supposed to be completely portable
[09:35] <Razor-X> especially the core UNIX utilities
[09:36] <Iceman_AMD64> no 64 bit support from sun ...;(
[09:36] <nickrud> !list
[09:36] <ubotu> it has been said that list is at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuFactoids
[09:36] <Razor-X> saintFrance: that's when you tell the computer that a drive/partition should be displayed
[09:36] <mebaran151> but I think it might assume 32 bit ints or floats or something ....
[09:36] <saintFrance> alright alright
[09:36] <mebaran151> Iceman_AMD64: blackhawk does it
[09:36] <Iceman_AMD64> whats blackhawk
[09:36] <Centaur> Razor-X, I don't know, but I previously had debian and my friend had it setup that whenever I typed ls or df sizes weren't listed in bytes
[09:36] <Razor-X> Centaur: yeah, you can add an alias for that
[09:37] <Razor-X> mebaran151: in BASH, can you define aliases on the fly?
[09:37] <mebaran151> Iceman_AMD64: it is like a condoned port
[09:37] <nickrud> Centaur, he had an alias, like alias df=
[09:37] <mebaran151> Razor-X: maybe ...
[09:37] <mebaran151> I've never had to do it
[09:37] <Centaur> Razor-X, An alias? I've never heard of that
[09:37] <Razor-X> Centaur: very common stuff in the world of the commandline
[09:37] <nickrud> alias df='df -h
[09:37] <Razor-X> try this ``alias df='df -b1048576' ''
[09:38] <nickrud> enter key is too close to the '
[09:38] <Razor-X> nickrud: he wants everything in MB though, not just human readable
[09:38] <Iceman_AMD64> dang linux... 64 bit ... "no sun support ...
[09:38] <Iceman_AMD64> where can i find blackhawk
[09:38] <Razor-X> least, I think so
[09:38] <nickrud> only MB?
[09:38] <Razor-X> nickrud: yeah
[09:38] <Razor-X> I gave him that
[09:39] <Razor-X> that's the amount of bytes per megabyte, exactly
[09:39] <nickrud> I bow to a latecomer (heh)
[09:39] <ZincX> is there a download manager ?
[09:39] <Iceman_AMD64> anyone have a link to blackhawk ?
[09:39] <Centaur> Razor-X, not exactly mb but in the biggest size possible
[09:40] <Razor-X> Centaur: then you want df -h
[09:40] <Razor-X> I know zsh allows aliases on the fly
[09:40] <Razor-X> if nickrud's alias works for you, add it in the last line of your .bashrc
[09:40] <nickrud> Razor-X, how the heck did you just pop that number up ;)
[09:40] <Razor-X> (located in ~/.bashrc)
[09:40] <saintFrance> so besides reading the webiste u gave me madpilot
[09:40] <saintFrance> what esle should i do?
[09:41] <saintFrance> and now that i have linux.. what can i do and should do with it
[09:41] <Razor-X> nickrud: 1024^2
[09:41] <nickrud> of course :)
[09:41] <Centaur> okay, so add alias df='df -h in my bashrc file?
[09:41] <Razor-X> saintFrance: that depends on your needs, and the skill level you want to acheive
[09:42] <Razor-X> Centaur: alias df='df -h'
[09:42] <newbie3> hey all um
[09:42] <Madpilot> saintFrance: take a look around the Ubuntu wiki - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ - for more info on lots of stuff
[09:42] <saintFrance> Razor-X: so what do u think i should do?
[09:42] <mebaran151> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_RTFM
[09:42] <Razor-X> saintFrance: my own suggestion is to learn the command-line
[09:42] <Razor-X> but that's me ;)
[09:42] <saintFrance> then?
[09:42] <saintFrance> yah im reading about it right now
[09:42] <newbie3> what to connect to machines by crossover cable
[09:42] <saintFrance> D
[09:42] <Centaur> okay, thanks Razor-X I'll give that a try
[09:42] <saintFrance> D:
[09:42] <Razor-X> I was stuck on an X-less box in my first experience with Linux
[09:42] <parabolize> saintFrance, setup your window part to auto mount like the site said. after that enjoy
[09:42] <newbie3> whant to
[09:42] <nickrud> then, saintFrance you'll be a guru
[09:42] <newbie3> want**
[09:42] <Iceman_AMD64> saintFrance ... look at it like this... linux will do more than window will, it just has not done it yet ...
[09:42] <Razor-X> and yeah, that's where it all started, 4 years ago ;)
[09:42] <Razor-X> saintFrance: the CLI is no easy task
[09:43] <saintFrance> Razor-X: yah after what im reading... it doesnt seem easy
[09:43] <Razor-X> if you know the Linux command-line, you have incredible power before you
[09:43] <Razor-X> saintFrance: you can do it, I learned it at 11
[09:43] <newbie3> do i need to put anything in /etc/hosts? or /etc/hosts.allow or something to link to machines by a crossed rj-45 ?
[09:43] <saintFrance> btw.. whats up with these guys.. with crazy looking desktops
[09:43] <Razor-X> saintFrance: customization ;)
[09:44] <Razor-X> you can take a look at my emacs/Eterm/desktop if you want to
[09:44] <saintFrance> haha it looks ncie
[09:44] <nickrud> saintFrance, it's not nearly as hard as it seems, just bite off a piece at at a time
[09:44] <Razor-X> exactly
[09:44] <saintFrance> alrighty
[09:44] <saintFrance> ima study the command line first
[09:44] <Razor-X> learn ``man'' first, highly suggested
[09:44] <Iceman_AMD64> saintFrance gnome-look or kde-look ... you can mod your desktop...
[09:44] <Madpilot> !themes
[09:44] <ubotu> hmm... themes is http://art.gnome.org - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/
[09:44] <Razor-X> man == manual page
[09:45] <Madpilot> saintFrance: more stuff there ^^^ on weirding out your desktop than anyone needs!
[09:45] <saintFrance> hahaha
[09:45] <Iceman_AMD64> lol ;)
[09:45] <Razor-X> experience with commands teach you about them, but very few people have not encountered a new command in the last 3 years
[09:45] <saintFrance> are gnome and kde diff?
[09:45] <Razor-X> man pages are gerat for that
[09:45] <Iceman_AMD64> absolutly
[09:45] <Razor-X> saintFrance: quite different
[09:46] <newbie3> do i need to put anything in /etc/hosts? or /etc/hosts.allow or something to link to machines by a crossed rj-45 ?
[09:46] <jesper> Hi.
[09:46] <newbie3> do i need to put anything in /etc/hosts? or /etc/hosts.allow or something to link to machines by a crossed rj-45 ?
[09:46] <Razor-X> I prefer the feel of KDE/Enlightenment/XFce (all different Window Managers) more than Gnome, or Window Maker, or FVWM, or Fluxbox (more WMs)
[09:46] <newbie3> anyone?
[09:46] <jesper> On shipit, it says that the CD's was sent at the 30 of June, anyone who has recieved anything from that shipment yet?
[09:47] <Burgundavia> jesper, yes
[09:47] <newbie3> is there anything needed in seting up a crossed eth conection other than two static IPs?
[09:47] <newbie3> do i need to put anything in /etc/hosts? or /etc/hosts.allow or something to link to machines by a crossed rj-45 ?
[09:47] <jesper> Burgundavia: Where in the world and when did you recieve them?
[09:47] <Burgundavia> jesper, Western Canada and I received them about a month ago
[09:48] <rowanjl> I'm still waiting on cds I asked for in May
[09:48] <Burgundavia> shipit is not Amazon
[09:48] <jesper> rowanjl: are the marked as sent on "shipit"?
[09:48] <rowanjl> jesper, nope
[09:48] <newbie3> Seveas: hey seveas you around?
[09:48] <Burgundavia> jesper, what country?
[09:48] <jesper> Denmark
[09:49] <Burgundavia> jesper, check with customs?
[09:49] <jesper> Burgundavia: The warty shipment went through without anything..
[09:49] <Burgundavia> customs is wierd
[09:49] <Burgundavia> if yours are anything like ours
[09:50] <Iceman_AMD64> i just received 5.04 about 3 or 4 weeks ago
[09:50] <jesper> The warty CD's was sent from netherlands.. that's inside the EU, thereby no custom.
[09:52] <jesper> It just "potato-time" here in Denmark.. and I believe that I could get some journalist to do a review if I'd sent them a small guide and som "officiallooking" CD's.
[09:52] <rowanjl> jesper, where shout it be marked as 'sent'?
[09:53] <mebaran151> nickrud: me too
[09:53] <mebaran151> I was neato
[09:53] <jesper> rowanjl: listed in "CD mailing history"
[09:53] <mebaran151> Swiss Bank chocolate money watches stuff
[09:53] <rowanjl> jesper, oh ok
[09:53] <mebaran151> damn Linux, I mean great
[09:53] <nickrud> well, I've only looked back a couple of times
[09:54] <PurpleMotion> grr
[09:54] <PurpleMotion> dalnet is fucked
[09:54] <PurpleMotion> has been for hours
[09:54] <pax> has been for years
[09:54] <leroj> how do i check wich graphics card i have?
[09:54] <PurpleMotion> lspci | grep -i ideo
[09:55] <PurpleMotion> maybe not
[09:55] <PurpleMotion> heh
[09:55] <nickrud> leroj, sudo lspci -v gives you detailed info, you should see your vid card
[09:55] <mebaran151> leroj
[09:55] <crispynix-v6> lspci |grep VGA
[09:55] <ZincX> is there a download manager for linux ?
[09:55] <mebaran151> ZincX: yeah
[09:55] <leroj> i'm getting confused here
[09:55] <mebaran151> comes with Firefox
[09:55] <PurpleMotion> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 Pro Ultra TF (prog-if 00 [VGA] )
[09:55] <mebaran151> wget is pretty good
[09:55] <crispynix-v6> ZincX: lots
[09:56] <orac7000> ZincX: d4x
[09:56] <mebaran151> most accurate one ever
[09:56] <mebaran151> curl ccan even do some stuff
[09:56] <orac7000> ZincX: that is Downloader for X, like getright etc...
[09:56] <nickrud> leroj, not suprised,, we all told you ways of getting the same info
[09:56] <ZincX> hmm.. k
[09:56] <leroj> :)
[09:56] <leroj> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200 ]  (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA] )
[09:56] <leroj> woo
[09:57] <nickrud> !restrictedformats
[09:57] <ubotu> restrictedformats is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[09:57] <PurpleMotion> anybody know of any good graphical mmorpg's for linux?
[09:57] <PurpleMotion> oh yeah, and free
[09:57] <PurpleMotion> heh
[09:57] <nickrud> !nvidia
[09:57] <ubotu> somebody said nvidia was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:57] <nickrud> leroj, that's the link, ^^
[09:58] <crispynix-v6> PurpleMotion: planeshift, eternal lands, maybe some others. compared to proprietary ones though, they kinda suck.
[09:58] <leroj> I need new drivers
[09:58] <PurpleMotion> crispynix-v6:  can i get some links?
[09:58] <leroj> should i download them from nvidias site or use apt-get/synaptic?
[09:59] <Amaranth> http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg-devel/loading_everything.png hurrah
[09:59] <PurpleMotion> i need a new video card, so dont feel bad
[09:59] <ZincX> hmm.. i have to install my ati graphix card ???
[09:59] <nickrud> I'll say no more than be safe, use the ubuntu wiki link.
[09:59] <crispynix-v6> PurpleMotion: http://www.planeshift.it/  http://www.eternal-lands.com/  http://www.happypenguin.org/
[09:59] <mebaran151> crispynix-v6: yeah
[09:59] <mebaran151> Games kind of have to be propreitary
[10:00] <parabolize> leroj, read both ubotu's (the bot)  posts
[10:00] <mebaran151> esp those that need HUGE infrastruces
[10:00] <nickrud> Amaranth, you almost coax me into messing with menus :)
[10:00] <crispynix-v6> mebaran151: there are a few good Free ones. Planeshift is okay, and Battle for Wesnoth is decent.
[10:00] <something_else> hmm, I dont know what it is, for some odd reasons, every download I do stalls ... regardless of through browser, irc, torrent
[10:00] <mebaran151> !nvidia
[10:00] <ubotu> methinks nvidia is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:00] <Amaranth> nickrud: hehe
[10:00] <mebaran151> alll newbies should read http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_RTFM
[10:00] <something_else> by stalls I mean after every 10 mb or so, the speed reduces to 0.00 before it times out
[10:00] <mebaran151> in fact everyone should
[10:01] <Amaranth> nickrud: I just spent 10 minutes playing with my new speedy loading of that right side list of entries
[10:01] <Amaranth> nickrud: it's so fun
[10:01] <saintFrance> !theme
[10:01] <ubotu> theme is probably http://art.gnome.org - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/
[10:01] <Burgundavia> mebaran151, games needing to be non-free is total fud. By that rule, so do OSes, as they need hug intrastructures
[10:01] <mebaran151> Burgundavia: eh
[10:02] <mebaran151> I cant think of any good open source games
[10:02] <mebaran151> that arent the old ones
[10:02] <Burgundavia> mebaran151, games are coming along as the gamers move
[10:02] <mebaran151> I think game development is less condusive to the open source model
[10:02] <mebaran151> but maybe t is just too young
[10:02] <psychonate> foobillard is nice, but it's not a huge game
[10:02] <poningru> hey anyone here a sound expert? esd I mean
[10:02] <Superfrog> i tried americas army yesterday ;)
[10:02] <psychonate> it looks pretty good for a pool game; good graphics
[10:02] <poningru> need help with fixing the sound stuff
[10:03] <mebaran151> we need to have maybe one of those prestigious projects and rally hundreds of gamers
[10:03] <psychonate> well, there is a linux gaming site, but I think most people don't know about it
[10:03] <psychonate> www.happypenguin.org
[10:03] <crispynix-v6> it's fscking ugly too
[10:03] <psychonate> news about commercial games, free games, ati/nvidia drivers
[10:04] <psychonate> crispynix-v6, maybe it thinks you are ugly :)
[10:04] <crispynix-v6> maybe ;p
[10:05] <Madpilot> there's also http://tuxgames.com/
[10:06] <Superfrog> does anyone have expereances with Siemens Gigaset usb adapter 54 ?
[10:07] <rowanjl> I went to follow the instructions for installing the nvidia gfx drivers on warty, but I get this error: E: Package nvidia-glx has no installation candidate
[10:07] <rowanjl> What do I need to do?
[10:07] <ma3x> is ppracer available for ubuntu
[10:07] <concept10> Has anyone installed the game called VDrift? http://vdrift.net/
[10:07] <psychonate> nah, I don't really play games much
[10:08] <psychonate> played Diablo II for a long time, then ET for a long time, then nethack for a while heh
[10:09] <rowanjl> Anyone? :/
[10:09] <Madpilot> concept10: that looks pretty cool. bookmarked!
[10:09] <ma3x> what graphic card requirements has diabo?
[10:09] <mebaran151> is ubuntu prebuilt with fbdev support
[10:09] <mebaran151> I am guessing that lest you use the fb driver
[10:10] <concept10> Madpilot, I know!  I only play one game, which is a mod to ET.  Its very good
[10:10] <psychonate> ma3x, doesn't need anything great.
[10:10] <concept10> but I need something new
[10:10] <ma3x> where can i see list of games for ubuntu?
[10:10] <psychonate> ma3x, you need cedega or wine though
[10:10] <ma3x> i hate wine
[10:10] <saintFrance> !theme
[10:10] <ubotu> well, theme is http://art.gnome.org - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/
[10:11] <hhurtta_> nice :)
[10:11] <leroj> hehe, smeg
[10:11] <ma3x> what is warty, hoary, breezy?
[10:11] <rowanjl> smeg where?
[10:11] <ma3x> is it like stable unstable?
[10:11] <concept10> ma3x, no
[10:11] <Amaranth> !smeg
[10:11] <ubotu> from memory, smeg is a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[10:12] <concept10> ma3x, Warty and Hoary are stable releases. Breezy is the next release
[10:12] <hhurtta_> warty is codename for previous, whoary for current and breezy is upcoming
[10:12] <ZincX> tsk tsk.. where do i download this d4x /
[10:13] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> I think my iMac is hoary.
[10:13] <ZincX> ?
[10:13] <rowanjl> Perhaps the engine didn't install correctly?
[10:13] <LeaChim> i've lost my text editor from the gnome menu :/ - yet the gedit.desktop file is still in /usr/share/applications
[10:14] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> Hey does anyone know how to get this thing to network with my Windoze systems?
[10:16] <newbie3> :(
[10:17] <newbie3> any body tell me how to set up p2p network with crossed rj45?
[10:18] <newbie3> most stuff is done but
[10:18] <newbie3> not all
[10:18] <newbie3> annywon?
[10:19] <mebaran151> X IS working in breezy now
[10:19] <mebaran151> so it is safe to let pat run an upgrade right?
[10:19] <LeaChim> Cry_Ubuntu_Mac, make sure i's on the same subnet and use the samba tools
[10:19] <mebaran151> newbie3, that is hardware dependent I think
[10:19] <mebaran151> why do you have crossed rj45 anyway
[10:19] <LeaChim> mebaran151, newbie3 is gone :P
[10:20] <mebaran151> LeaChim: heheh, chatzilla doesnt tell me when people leave
[10:20] <desrt> mebaran151; since when?
[10:20] <LeaChim> lol
[10:20] <LeaChim> he's back mebaran151 :P
[10:20] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> What was he even saying?
[10:20] <mebaran151> desrt: i remember it being a bios option
[10:20] <mebaran151> awhile back
[10:20] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> This whole linux thing is so confusing.
[10:20] <newbie3> i was asking about p2p networking with crossed rj-45 cable
[10:20] <mebaran151> and an option on my router
[10:20] <desrt> mebaran151; no.  X working.
[10:20] <newbie3> if i was me
[10:21] <znh> newbie3: what kind of p2p network do you like to setup?
[10:21] <mebaran151> desrt: so does X or not work?
[10:21] <mebaran151> I got reports both ways
[10:21] <desrt> mebaran151; ah.  ok.  you don't have new news :)
[10:21] <mebaran151> I know X works from colony 2
[10:21] <Iceman-AMD64> I wonder if i can run duel channel DDR ram... anyone know if Duel channel will be cross compatable ?
[10:21] <newbie3> znh: i want to computers to conect with a crossed rj45 cable
[10:21] <desrt> i'm running breezy here and X is working
[10:21] <desrt> but it's badly broken
[10:21] <mebaran151> desrt: what do you do to fix it
[10:21] <desrt> specifically, lots of the X utilities are missing
[10:21] <desrt> keyboard layouts don't work properly
[10:21] <PurpleMotion> yeah
[10:21] <PurpleMotion> turn on samba
[10:21] <mebaran151> yeah
[10:21] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> So does anyone know how to network linux with windows?
[10:22] <desrt> mkfontdir is gone
[10:22] <desrt> etc
[10:22] <mebaran151> but does it start up
[10:22] <mebaran151> arg
[10:22] <desrt> mebaran151; only with a lot of help
[10:22] <mebaran151> why do we keep breaking X?
[10:22] <znh> Cry_Ubuntu_Mac: quite easy with samba
[10:22] <mebaran151> on
[10:22] <mebaran151> oh
[10:22] <Madpilot> Iceman-AMD64: AFAIK, dual-channel DDR is a hardware/bios thing. mine seems to work fine w/ Ubuntu, I know
[10:22] <desrt> mebaran151; i don't recommend upgrading to breezy unless you can deal with it
[10:22] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> zng so install samba then?
[10:22] <desrt> :)
[10:22] <Iceman-AMD64> Will deul channel DDr work in a MOBO that does not support it ?
[10:22] <znh> Cry_Ubuntu_Mac: yes, only the package smbfs is required to mount windows partitions on the network
[10:22] <newbie3> znh: Ive set to static IPs but they do not talk or ping
[10:23] <desrt> Iceman-AMD64; ?!?!?
[10:23] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> So both of those then?
[10:23] <Iceman-AMD64> not sure if my motherboard will run Duel channel ram
[10:23] <znh> Iceman-AMD64: hm.. dual channel is a function of the motherboard hisself - it has nothing to do with the ram
[10:23] <Madpilot> Iceman-AMD64: yeah but it just won't be dual-channel. it'll just be two sticks of RAM, that's all
[10:23] <mebaran151> desrt: I have only a slight problem with Hoary
[10:23] <desrt> Iceman-AMD64; if your mother board doesn't support dual channel, then yes, your mother board doesn't support dual channel
[10:23] <mebaran151> the installer kernel panics on boot with my PCI-E express card
[10:23] <Iceman-AMD64> not sure, cant see if the mobo will run it as duel
[10:23] <Madpilot> Iceman-AMD64: and it's "dual", not "duel" - unless you're fighting with your RAM sticks...
[10:24] <Iceman-AMD64> AMD 64 processor ...
[10:24] <newbie3> znh: any ideas?
[10:24] <mebaran151> Madpilot: I constantly fight with RAM
[10:24] <desrt> mebaran151; arf.
[10:24] <znh> Madpilot: some people do..
[10:24] <mebaran151> it builds character
[10:24] <desrt> mebaran151; i don't think there is a breezy installer cd yet anyway
[10:24] <znh> newbie3: I don't know what you are trying to do
[10:24] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> It will run the memory, but not dual channelly I think.
[10:24] <Madpilot> mebaran151: heh.
[10:24] <mebaran151> desrt: uh there is
[10:24] <mebaran151> I just used it
[10:25] <mebaran151> Colony 2 is up on the mirrors
[10:25] <desrt> mebaran151; interesting.
[10:25] <newbie3> znh: conect to computers via crossed rj45
[10:25] <znh> Iceman-AMD64: dual channel is feuture that allows the double of the normal transfer speed to your ram-motherboard
[10:25] <znh> newbie3: ok, that's quite easy
[10:25] <Iceman-AMD64> have to resurch more on my mobo
[10:25] <newbie3> znh, mmm?
[10:25] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> thank you. bye
[10:25] <newbie3> znh: all ears
[10:26] <znh> newbie3: typ this on pc #1 (you may choose wich that may be)
[10:26] <mebaran151> Iceman-AMD64: 939 has dual channel
[10:26] <mebaran151> all of them
[10:26] <Madpilot> Iceman-AMD64: google your mobo's model number
[10:26] <Iceman-AMD64> yea .. 754 here though ..
[10:26] <znh> newbie3: sudo ifconfig eth0 192.168.2.50 broadcast 192.168.2.255
[10:27] <concept10> does anyone have problems with streaming video in Firefox?
[10:27] <mebaran151> I am reading bugzilla now
[10:27] <znh> concept10: with what plugin :-)?
[10:27] <Iceman-AMD64> Wish linux had more games ... and 64 bit work done ..
[10:27] <mebaran151> Iceman-AMD64: single channel
[10:27] <mebaran151> 754 is all single channel
[10:28] <znh> Iceman-AMD64: truecombat is pretty awesome, and it's free ofcourse:p
[10:28] <newbie3> znh: what dose that doo?
[10:28] <mebaran151> it doesnt make so big a deal with AMD64, because the mem ontrollert is quite low latency
[10:28] <Iceman-AMD64> that was my guess ... getting at least a gig of ram ... next move
[10:28] <Madpilot> mebaran151: seriously? even my SocketA mobo is dual RAM
[10:28] <newbie3> znh: does that just set that ip static to my nic?
[10:28] <znh> newbie3: it gives your computer a static ip address (DHCP won't work without a router/other dhcp server)
[10:28] <newbie3> znh: i did that
[10:28] <mebaran151> Madpilot: it is a little more complex with AMD64
[10:28] <newbie3> but it din't work
[10:28] <mebaran151> because the mem controller is on chip
[10:28] <concept10> this is a GREAT extension for firefox for streaming video concerns" http://membres.lycos.fr/sethnakht/
[10:29] <mebaran151> so it all depends on the skt
[10:29] <Iceman-AMD64> truecombat ... ? have to take a look
[10:29] <znh> newbie3: but I am right that crossed rj45, is just a ordinary cross cable?
[10:29] <Superfrog> i installed americas army  , its running but without 5.1 sound , i have nforce 2 and alsa , is 5.1 possible?
[10:29] <mebaran151> (your mem controller features are on chip)
[10:29] <Madpilot> mebaran151: interesting. still glad I didn't buy 64 earlier this year...
[10:29] <mebaran151> Madpilot: but it really doesnt need it
[10:29] <Possible> just installed ubuntu 5.04 here. Now I try to use some java apps...I thought it came with java ?
[10:30] <newbie3> znh : I may have said the name wrong but its a crossed cable not a nomal uncrosed one
[10:30] <Iceman-AMD64> truecombat for linux ?
[10:30] <mebaran151> onchip mem controllers make your RAM approach L3 latencies
[10:30] <mebaran151> sometimes faster
[10:30] <mebaran151> one of teh secrets to why Alpha was really great
[10:30] <znh> Possible: not really, it's easy to install manauly ;-)
[10:30] <mebaran151> dual channel is just whizbang
[10:30] <ma3x> how can i turn off the sound when i press backspace in the console
[10:30] <newbie3> znh: do I have to set anything in hosts.allow or hosts?
[10:30] <Madpilot> Possible: no java by default
[10:30] <Madpilot> !java
[10:30] <ubotu> well, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[10:30] <mebaran151> but skt 939 has it
[10:30] <znh> newbie3: negative, you have to put a static ip on your second pc also
[10:30] <Madpilot> Possible: see ubotu's link just above this one
[10:30] <mebaran151> !bot
[10:30] <ubotu> Indeed, that is what I am.
[10:30] <Possible> znh, well I used the package manager and did a search for java...installed 2 packages but no go
[10:31] <mebaran151> !ubotu?
[10:31] <ubotu> I guess ubotu is uh... Thaaat's me! I'm a bot. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu!
[10:31] <newbie3> znh: yeah i did that but it didn't work
[10:31] <mebaran151> !dri
[10:31] <ubotu> mebaran151: I don't know, could you explain it?
[10:31] <Madpilot> Possible: search Synaptic for "jre"...
[10:31] <Possible> 'k
[10:31] <mebaran151> !fix borked X before I die ...
[10:31] <ubotu> mebaran151: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[10:32] <znh> newbie3: what didn't work?
[10:32] <NicP> ubotu: hows it going
[10:32] <ubotu> Wish i knew, NicP
[10:32] <NicP> lol
[10:32] <Possible> Madpilot, no packages
[10:32] <Iceman-AMD64> got to love 64 bit .. 1800 mhz and it outruns my p4 2.8 ghz
[10:32] <Madpilot> Possible: see here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[10:32] <mebaran151> Iceman-AMD64: of course
[10:32] <Possible> Madpilot,  'k..I am there...let me read..
[10:32] <ma3x> if i am at the beginning at the console type promt, and i press again backspace i get weird sound
[10:32] <mebaran151> if I fix X manually
[10:33] <Madpilot> !repos
[10:33] <ubotu> it has been said that repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[10:33] <ma3x> can i disable it?
[10:33] <mebaran151> when a real fix is committed
[10:33] <mebaran151> will it remember to clear my hacks
[10:33] <mebaran151> or will apt go wtf mate
[10:33] <Madpilot> Possible: check http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto as well
[10:33] <Possible> Madpilot, 'k thanks :)
[10:34] <znh> nelsongs: hey wb :-)
[10:34] <nelsongs> znh:  thanks!
[10:34] <Possible> wtf....apt: command not found..
[10:34] <znh> Possible: try apt-get instead ?
[10:34] <Possible> oh wait...I used a space..
[10:34] <Possible> duh
[10:34] <nelsongs> znh:  do you have any idea on the TI media card reader?
[10:34] <znh> :-D
[10:35] <znh> nelsongs: hmm card readers
[10:35] <nelsongs> znh:  aren't they supported yet?
[10:35] <Madpilot> Possible: use Synaptic. GUI > CLI mostly...
[10:35] <znh> nelsongs: I think they are, i'll google some
[10:35] <newbie3> znh: how do i set it back to dhcp
[10:35] <newbie3> ?
[10:35] <nelsongs> znh:  i have a texas instrument media card reader
[10:36] <Possible> Madpilot,  well I used te GUI first...didn't get me any further..I am following the directions of the website now
[10:36] <znh> newbie3: just run dhcpclient eth0 as sudo
[10:36] <nelsongs> znh: i have resolved my video, just to let you know  :)
[10:36] <ma3x> how can i output to TV?
[10:36] <mebaran151> I think it is time for me to learn emacs .... without X
[10:36] <znh> nelsongs: did you? how :-)?
[10:37] <ma3x> i want to connect my laptop to the TV
[10:37] <ma3x> to transfer the screen
[10:37] <ma3x> is this possible in ubuntu?
[10:37] <Iceman-AMD64> treucombat ... an et mod ... ?
[10:37] <orac7000> can anyone remind me of the piped command that was posted to upgrade firefox, please
[10:37] <nelsongs> znh: lot of steps that i couldn't even remember anymore.  **confused**
[10:38] <mebaran151> yep X is definitely dead
[10:38] <znh> nelsongs: hehe, well yea the result mathers :D
[10:38] <Madpilot> Possible: unfortunately, it's faster & easier to put text commands up on the wiki - if you want to contribute screenshots, please do!
[10:38] <Burgundavia> orac7000, just use the update manager
[10:38] <znh> nelsongs: about the TI card reader, I see more people with the problem that it's not being recounized
[10:38] <orac7000> Burgundavia: thanks
[10:39] <Burgundavia> orac7000, all ubuntu releases have the latest mozilla stuff
[10:40] <znh> nelsongs: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-25121.html
[10:41] <LeaChim> i've lost my text editor from the gnome menu :/ - yet the gedit.desktop file is still in /usr/share/applications
[10:41] <mebaran151> so who manually has fixed X
[10:41] <LeaChim> how do i get it back? :P
[10:41] <znh> LeaChim: have you tried smeg yet?
[10:41] <nelsongs> znh: now i'm getting frustrated again
[10:41] <LeaChim> znh, ?
[10:42] <Amaranth> !smeg
[10:42] <ubotu> it has been said that smeg is a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[10:42] <znh> Amaranth: cheers :-)
[10:42] <LeaChim> znh, well, i didn't change anything in /usr/share applications. one day there, next day gone :P
[10:42] <nelsongs> znh: good thing i don't need the media card reader atm
[10:42] <Iceman-AMD64> to bad loki went under ..
[10:42] <znh> nelsongs: It's a known issue, and your not the only one that has the problem - I bet they are working on it
[10:43] <mebaran151> I hate X
[10:43] <mebaran151> who packages t
[10:43] <mebaran151> it
[10:43] <znh> mebaran151: without X life would be harder :-P
[10:43] <nelsongs> znh: i hope they are.  i actually saw one group that develops TI drivers
[10:43] <mebaran151> I just wish he wouldnt be so adventurous in comitting new versions
[10:43] <mebaran151> or at least TEST what he puts up
[10:43] <nelsongs> znh: and they're selling the sdk for the driver
[10:43] <mebaran151> what is the reasoning behind putting up a ridiculously broken version of X
[10:44] <nelsongs> znh: i tried to install it, but it's just an evaluation.
[10:44] <znh> mebaran151: well they are enjoying the reactions of angry people
[10:44] <Iceman-AMD64> One thing someone need to do with linux... creat a bootable cd, and have auto load drivers and turn the pc into a console game
[10:44] <znh> nelsongs: evaluation?
[10:44] <mebaran151> znh: yeah, but you cant even bug test it
[10:44] <nelsongs> znh: no proper documentation on how to activate the drivers
[10:44] <mebaran151> Iceman-AMD64: done done and done
[10:44] <mebaran151> geexbox can do it
[10:44] <mebaran151> if you mod it just a little
[10:44] <znh> nelsongs: is it a tar package?
[10:44] <nelsongs> znh: yeah, coz they're selling the sdk
[10:44] <Amaranth> mebaran151: breezy is not about users
[10:45] <knowledge_> am I still connected?
[10:45] <knowledge_> or can no one read this
[10:45] <knowledge_> ?
[10:45] <Amaranth> mebaran151: breezy is about getting things done
[10:45] <bornandra> so i have been away from my ubuntu box for a couple months and now ubuntu update manager wont work. Did sources.list change recently?
[10:45] <mebaran151> Amaranth: but does breaking X really really badly get anything to work?
[10:45] <znh> knowledge_ has been quoted
[10:45] <nelsongs> znh: and you can generate and compile the drivers thru their sdk, but won't let you use it
[10:45] <znh> nelsongs: blah that's kinda useless :-(
[10:46] <nelsongs> znh: they have their own program to run it so that you could test it to your hardware if it works
[10:46] <bornandra> can anyone point me to the updated sources.list please :)
[10:46] <mebaran151> argh Debian unstable was never so bad ...
[10:46] <Amaranth> mebaran151: he is modularizing the entire xorg tree, sometimes he needs to get things uploaded so other things can build on them and he doesn't have all the pieces yet so things break
[10:46] <mebaran151> Amaranth: oh
[10:46] <mebaran151> now I see where he is going
[10:46] <nelsongs> znh: yeah, i know, suckers, they all are
[10:46] <znh> bornandra: run apt-setup :-)
[10:46] <Amaranth> mebaran151: breezy users are the testbed for the Xorg 7.0 modulurization :)
[10:46] <mebaran151> that is actually a pretty good idea now that my misplaced anger has been vented
[10:46] <znh> nelsongs: I agree, you might also want to ring the bell on the ubuntuforums about the Ti Cardreader
[10:47] <LeaChim> has anyone got a guide for running ubuntu on a 133MHz laptop with 64mb ram? :
[10:47] <znh> LeaChim: I can advice you
[10:47] <Amaranth> LeaChim: Don't? :)
[10:47] <znh> Amaranth: why not :-P
[10:47] <wajokki> hi everyone how i can chance Port Gnome bittorrent client i using ubuntu :)
[10:47] <Amaranth> well, you won't be running GNOME
[10:47] <LeaChim> Amaranth, i guessed
[10:48] <mebaran151> os it is only a temporary death for a whle
[10:48] <LeaChim> i was thinking fluxbox
[10:48] <Amaranth> wajokki: what? we have gnome-btdownload already
[10:48] <znh> Amaranth: ofcourse not, even not with a p3
[10:48] <Amaranth> znh: GNOME is not that heavy
[10:48] <leroj> znh, are you talking bikes?
[10:48] <Burgundavia> znh, a 400mhz can run fine
[10:48] <wajokki> yes me too
[10:48] <LeaChim> znh, got a guide on optimizing ubuntu then?
[10:48] <znh> LeaChim: not on the internet, but it's inside my head
[10:48] <Burgundavia> LeaChim, ubuntu-lite.org
[10:49] <LeaChim> thanks
[10:49] <wajokki> but i try downloand existi.net torrent`s and allways port .... is blacklisted by tracker
[10:49] <znh> Gnome is kinda heavy.. it's so slow on my amd1400mhz/786 mbram
[10:49] <nelsongs> znh:  yeah, i will
[10:49] <Amaranth> With X-Chat, Firefox, gaim, muine, blame, and gnome-terminal running.
[10:49] <nelsongs> znh:  i'll try to document the stuffs i did to my notebook, especially the video
[10:49] <LeaChim> Burgundavia, erm. the dns isn't resolving
[10:49] <Amaranth> err, blam
[10:49] <znh> nelsongs: yes that would be nice
[10:49] <Burgundavia> LeaChim, http://www.ubuntulite.org/
[10:50] <nelsongs> znh:  and i'll let you know, i'll just post it in my site tomorrow
[10:50] <LeaChim> ahuman, thanks Burgundavia
[10:50] <znh> LeaChim: What kind of installation have you done? the server installation?
[10:50] <nelsongs> znh: got to go now, thanks!  see ya all later!
[10:50] <znh> nelsongs: goodbye :-)
[10:51] <LeaChim> znh, haven't done any yet. i'm planning to
[10:51] <znh> LeaChim: I would advice you to do the base installation, and then install the xserver-xorg package, and as window manager qvwm or wmaker
[10:52] <LeaChim> k
[10:52] <znh> works perfect for my 120mhz/48 MBram
[10:52] <Amaranth> wow
[10:52] <LeaChim> ok
[10:52] <Amaranth> znh: You can run a gecko based browser on that?
[10:53] <elwood> hi all
[10:53] <znh> Amaranth: you mean like firefox/mozilla? well it does run :-P
[10:53] <elwood> i am wondering if there is a snapshot of the hoary repository...
[10:53] <Amaranth> firefox, mozilla, epiphany, dillo, etc
[10:53] <Amaranth> elwood: iirc the DVD has all of main on it
[10:54] <znh> Amaranth: dillo is fast on that machine, firefox takes 30 minutes to startup, and 2 minutes for each page
[10:54] <Simonth> Hey. I dont understand what the differences is between Linux Debian and ubuntu - what is the differences?
[10:54] <kemik> LeaChim:  if you wanna run ubuntu, type "server" at the install prompt, and use icewm as your windowmanager
[10:54] <LeaChim> pl
[10:54] <LeaChim> * ok
[10:54] <elwood> Amaranth, i haven't a fast connection and i want to update weekly...i can donwload snapshot from here
[10:54] <LeaChim> now the *big* challenge - know any programs i can run on a router box that will let me use a serial connection to said laptop?
[10:55] <kemik> LeaChim:  http://www.binonabiso.com/en/Ubuntu-miniRAM-HOWTO.html
[10:55] <LeaChim> it has no ethernet - only ports are graphics, serial and parallel
[10:55] <LeaChim> and it has no pcmia card slots :P
[10:55] <kemik> u do realize that the serialport is 9600baud ?
[10:55] <Dr_Melectaus> whats the "teh broken" website
[10:55] <LeaChim> parallel can be used instead
[10:56] <Amaranth> elwood: In hoary there is hardly ever anything to update.
[10:56] <kemik> mmh. a bit faster.. but i dont know of any programs.. Norton Commander had a link-thing.. but that's DOS :)
[10:57] <Simonth> Is the only differences the number of languague translations or?
[10:57] <Amaranth> Simonth: Ubuntu is Debian tuned for the desktop with the latest versions of things.
[10:57] <znh> To all girls in this channel: there should be more girls using linux!
[10:58] <mebaran151> Amaranth: will X be sort of fixed sometime soon
[10:58] <topyli> znh: preaching to the choir :)
[10:58] <floppyears> hi
[10:58] <Simonth> Amaranth: But I have heard that the new Linux Debian 3.1 is also good to desktop
[10:58] <mebaran151> znh: you have the wrong crowd
[10:58] <znh> xD
[10:58] <floppyears> are there any advantages of using the ubuntu kernels commpared to the kernel.org ones ?
[10:58] <znh> mebaran151: pardon me?
[10:59] <kemik> mebaran151:  at the worst it'll be good in october ;)
[10:59] <Amaranth> mebaran151: maybe
[10:59] <mebaran151> znh: I meant you shoudl direct to the women who ARENT here
[10:59] <Amaranth> Simonth: Well, 3.1 has XFree86 4.3 and GNOME 2.8. Ubuntu's latest release has Xorg 6.8 and GNOME 2.10
[10:59] <DJ_Necrogami> Boo @ Googling may become illegal in canada .. ~.~ http://www.globetechnology.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050712.gtgoogle0712/BNStory/Technology/
[10:59] <mebaran151> Amaranth: Debain moved to Xorg
[10:59] <topyli> Simonth: it probably is, after you set it up right
[10:59] <Amaranth> mebaran151: Not in 3.1
[10:59] <mebaran151> recently
[10:59] <znh> mebaran151: I don't want to leave this chair :-P
[10:59] <mebaran151> oh I forgot
[10:59] <Amaranth> mebaran151: that's in unstable
[10:59] <mebaran151> znh: get to the roof tops
[10:59] <znh> hm
[11:00] <znh> but it's cold outside
[11:00] <Simonth> Amaranth: Is Xorg better than the normal X? - or something..?
[11:00] <mebaran151> Simonth: Xorg is just more modern
[11:00] <mebaran151> at the moment they both are decent
[11:00] <Amaranth> Simonth: Xorg is a fork of XFree86, XFree86 is dead
[11:00] <mebaran151> Xorg is just getting better
[11:00] <mebaran151> is XFree86 so dead
[11:00] <mebaran151> whatever happened to it?
[11:00] <Simonth> topyli: B
[11:00] <Amaranth> no one works on it anymore
[11:00] <znh> Amaranth: silly question maybe.. what are the differences between XFree86 and X.org
[11:00] <Simonth> ups
[11:01] <mebaran151> Amaranth: I now
[11:01] <Simonth> topyli: But how is Ubuntu more desktop?..
[11:01] <Amaranth> znh: Well, XFree86 was this restritive environment where fun X things didn't get to be hacked on much that kicked out some key developers so they forked and created Xorg and now all kinds of super fun X related things get worked on like RENDER, Composite, etc.
[11:02] <Simonth> Amaranth & mebaran151: Okay..
[11:02] <znh> Amaranth: aha, I seen it also on gentoo
[11:02] <Echelon-H> anyone here using xfce?
[11:02] <mebaran151> Echelon-H: I do
[11:02] <mebaran151> it is a good system
[11:02] <znh> Echelon-H: currently not, but I did :-)
[11:02] <mebaran151> ... when X works
[11:02] <mebaran151> ARGHHHH
[11:02] <Amaranth> znh: If there hadn't have been a fork we wouldn't have RENDER, Composite, Cairo, etc.
[11:02] <Echelon-H> anyone of you guys knows hwo can I show my IP (if possible) on the panel?
[11:03] <znh> Amaranth: aha nice, i'm off now for a game ET
[11:03] <Echelon-H> oh, and how can i check my ip in the terminal?
[11:03] <mebaran151> Echelon-H: in terminal
[11:03] <topyli> Simonth: ubuntu has desktop oriented default set of packages and settings, debian has practically no defaults
[11:03] <mebaran151> ifconfig tells you everything you need to know
[11:03] <kemik> Echelon-H:  ifconfig
[11:03] <Echelon-H> okay thanks
[11:03] <Amaranth> But anyway, that's just a small example of Ubuntu being tuned for a desktop.
[11:04] <Amaranth> Simonth: You put in a CD, choose a couple of simple language and partition choices, wait 20 minutes, and you have a gdm login screen that takes you to a full GNOME desktop that Just Works (most of the time).
[11:05] <Simonth> topyli: Hmm okay..But I have seen there is about the same packages (and more packages) in Debian 3.1 as there are in ubuntu?
[11:06] <Simonth> Amaranth: But that is the same thing you do with Linux Debian 3.1?..
[11:06] <topyli> Simonth: pretty much the same. ubuntu also has some stuff debian doesn't
[11:06] <mebaran151> even gentoo can say that
[11:06] <Amaranth> ubotu: dstats
[11:06] <mebaran151> wait no it cant
[11:06] <ubotu> Ubuntu Distro Stats on hoary... 16270 packages, 1437 maintainers, 31005 MB installed size, 9820 MB compressed size.
[11:06] <Amaranth> Simonth: ^
[11:07] <mebaran151> could Ubuntu rehomegnize the pkgs
[11:07] <mebaran151> for ruby
[11:07] <mebaran151> Debian over split up the std lib
[11:07] <mebaran151> it should be put back together
[11:08] <Dr_Melectaus> can anyone tell me if ubuntu hoary hedgehog comes with DIVX
[11:08] <Simonth> Hmm..yeah.. but do ubuntu have for example all the games that Debian 3.1 has?
[11:08] <Amaranth> Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15660 packages, 1468 maintainers, 28183 MB installed size, 8871 MB compressed size.
[11:08] <mebaran151> Simonth: Ubuntu updates its universe with Debian imports all the time
[11:08] <Amaranth> Simonth: Appearently hoary pretty much has every package sarge has plus more.
[11:09] <mebaran151> Amaranth: what is installed size
[11:09] <piksi> hello, i have a problem with my amilo pro 8010 laptop and ubuntu install, it cannot find the cd drive but finds some strange linux floppy instead(?)
[11:09] <desrt> mebaran151; how much space it uses on your system after it's installed
[11:09] <mebaran151> my install doesnt take nearly that much
[11:09] <Amaranth> mebaran151: how much room it would take to sudo apt-get install * :)
[11:09] <piksi> if anyone could help with laptop drives it would be very much appreciated :-)
[11:09] <mebaran151> Amaranth: ah I see
[11:09] <topyli> Dr_Melectaus: not by default, you'll have to get the codec afterwards
[11:09] <Amaranth> ubotu: dstats breezy
[11:09] <ubotu> Ubuntu Distro Stats on breezy... 17023 packages, 1577 maintainers, 32475 MB installed size, 10220 MB compressed size.
[11:09] <desrt> crikey
[11:09] <Amaranth> Debian Distro Stats on sid... 17080 packages, 1561 maintainers, 34392 MB installed size, 11035 MB compressed size.
[11:09] <mebaran151> so actually all of Linux can be contained in under 40 gigs
[11:09] <Amaranth> hrm
[11:10] <Dr_Melectaus> topli, can i apt-get the codecs? if so whats the propper name if you know of it?
[11:10] <Amaranth> mebaran151: more or less
[11:10] <slowbro> hey guys! guess what os im using now! :D
[11:10] <elwood> ok
[11:10] <mebaran151> which can barely containe most of Windows
[11:10] <desrt> is it actually possible to install all of those packages?
[11:10] <mebaran151> that is impressive
[11:10] <mebaran151> desrt: in theory yes
[11:10] <Amaranth> desrt: nope, some Replace each other
[11:10] <Amaranth> desrt: others Conflict with each other
[11:10] <desrt> since, imaginably some of them are anti-requisites
[11:10] <Amaranth> etc
[11:10] <desrt> ya
[11:10] <mebaran151> desrt: oh yeah
[11:10] <desrt> like totem-xine and totem-gstreamer for example
[11:10] <mebaran151> I thought that took it into account
[11:11] <piksi> are here any other users running ubuntu on laptops with dvd-r/cd/special drives?
[11:11] <topyli> Dr_Melectaus: w32codecs. it's not in the ubuntu repositories but there are other places where you can apt-get it
[11:11] <mebaran151> so really 25 gigs is PLENTY for a root partition
[11:11] <desrt> mebaran151; unlikely
[11:11] <desrt> mebaran151; unless you plan on installing other stuff
[11:11] <desrt> mebaran151; like lots of big games in /opt
[11:11] <mebaran151> oh yeah I forgot about that
[11:11] <Dr_Melectaus> oh ok topyli i have w32codecs anyway :)
[11:11] <mebaran151> but I mount opt separately
[11:11] <mebaran151> so I can trash my root as much as I like
[11:11] <desrt> mebaran151; then 25 is too much
[11:11] <mebaran151> oh
[11:11] <mebaran151> how much
[11:11] <desrt> 15 is tonnes
[11:11] <mebaran151> I am running a media server off this thing
[11:12] <topyli> Dr_Melectaus: with them, totem-xine plays pretty much anything
[11:12] <desrt> 10 is even a lot
[11:12] <mebaran151> so the smaller my root
[11:12] <littleworm> how van i change the gnome splash screen?
[11:12] <mebaran151> the more space I have to Tivo
[11:12] <mebaran151> .me likes MythTv
[11:12] <mebaran151> topyli: so does gstreamer
[11:12] <desrt> mebaran151; i have a fairly complete breezy install taking up about 6 gigs right now
[11:12] <Simonth> mebaran151 & Amaranth: Okay, I will try ubuntu then.. Will all packages there comes with sarge works with ubuntu? For example the C/C++ libraries..
[11:12] <mebaran151> actually more than xine
[11:12] <mebaran151> if you add ffmpeg
[11:12] <desrt> mebaran151; if /opt is separate, 10 is probably enough
[11:12] <topyli> mebaran151: gstreamer makes use of the codecs now?
[11:13] <Amaranth> Simonth: Do not mix Debian and Ubuntu repositories.
[11:13] <mebaran151> topyli: it can use the ffmpeg coder
[11:13] <littleworm> how can i change the gnome splash screen?
[11:13] <batma8> when installing xp on a ubuntu system, do you install linux or windows first?
[11:13] <mebaran151> codec
[11:13] <mebaran151> and that codec is decent
[11:13] <mebaran151> more than decent, probalby one of the better ones
[11:13] <NicP> batma8, windows
[11:13] <mebaran151> now if only they will add the encoder too
[11:13] <batma8> ok..windows first
[11:13] <batma8> got it
[11:13] <Simonth> Amaranth: Iam not the best to english...What does "repositories" means?
[11:13] <topyli> mebaran151: in hoary already? i seem to be a bit behind the times
[11:13] <mebaran151> topyli: multiverse
[11:14] <topyli> ah
[11:14] <Amaranth> Simonth: places to get packages
[11:14] <mebaran151> ffmpeg can do illegal things like let you watch DVD's
[11:14] <thespiritoftal> how can i change the year from the terminal?
[11:14] <NicP> batma8, you can do it the other way, but its easier to install windows first because ubuntu will create an entry for ubuntu and windowsxp in a menu at boot
[11:14] <mebaran151> and play drm without breaking it I think, though I can't test that one
[11:14] <batma8> that is what i thought
[11:15] <littleworm> how can i change the gnome splash screen?
[11:15] <mebaran151> I wonder if I can pull a hacker tool against DRM for a friend whose music is locked by DRM
[11:15] <batma8> plus i have a laptop with a damn ghost install ..so it isnt easy to manipulate
[11:15] <mebaran151> it should work like libdvdcss reight?
[11:15] <Amaranth> littleworm: art.gnome.org has a tutorial
[11:15] <littleworm> thanks
[11:15] <Amaranth> thespiritoftal: man date
[11:15] <Amaranth> mebaran151: libdvdcss2 is needed to watch a DVD
[11:15] <topyli> littleworm: with the gconf-editor
[11:15] <mebaran151> Amaranth: yeah
[11:16] <mebaran151> I was wondering if there are any linux tools to brute kill DRM
[11:16] <mebaran151> with the new EF platform from intel
[11:16] <mebaran151> it might actually become necessary
[11:16] <Simonth> Amaranth: Oh, okay.. But for example the IRC server "asuka" and IRC bouncer "psybnc" I need to compile - are there the correct libraries and compilers in Ubuntu?
[11:16] <mebaran151> Simonth: yes
[11:16] <Amaranth> Simonth: If they're in Debian they're in Ubuntu.
[11:16] <mebaran151> you have all the standard C libs
[11:17] <mebaran151> and C++ libs and gcc and g++
[11:17] <vigilian> quelqu'un sait la commande pour lancer realplayer?
[11:17] <mebaran151> vigilan: Helix player
[11:17] <vigilian> sorru
[11:17] <keikoz> realplay
[11:17] <mebaran151> je ne pense pas que cela est dans les repos maintenant
[11:17] <nightswim> proost
[11:17] <vigilian> no it doesn't work
[11:17] <elwood> really strange day
[11:18] <Simonth> Okay, good.. the only difference between kubuntu and Ubuntu is the display manager, right? No changes in packages or something?
[11:18] <mebaran151> je pourrais etre sans raison
[11:18] <elwood> cedega is free?
[11:18] <topyli> no
[11:18] <mebaran151> Simonth: you can change Ubuntu to Kubuntu and vice versa
[11:18] <mebaran151> by isntalling a metapkg
[11:18] <jesper> Simonth: kubuntu comes with KDE (kubuntu-desktop -meta-package)
[11:18] <Simonth> Okay, because I have downloaded kubuntu cd..
[11:18] <mebaran151> simonth
[11:19] <thespiritoftal> which is better kubuntu or ubuntu?
[11:19] <mebaran151> gnom is more usable but kde has more features
[11:20] <Simonth> Okay.. I dont like Gnome's design(or what it calls in english)..better like KDE, it is more modern, cool and has more graphics..
[11:20] <mebaran151> I prefer the GTK2 toolkit to the Qt alternative
[11:20] <NicP> kbuntu seams to have more bugs than ubuntu to
[11:20] <Dr_Melectaus> could someone tell me, if i do killall esd, how do i restart it. do i have to log out?
[11:20] <mebaran151> though QT has improved since its days at 3.1
[11:20] <mebaran151> Dr_Melectaus: just run esd
[11:20] <elwood> kde or gnome are just the exteriority....hte important is that inside is linux :)
[11:20] <keikoz> that's normal ubuntu is primarely intented to work with gnome
[11:20] <mebaran151> it iwll work hopefully
[11:21] <Amaranth> Simonth: You want Kubuntu then.
[11:21] <Simonth> Amaranth: Yes.. ;)
[11:21] <Amaranth> Simonth: Oh, you already know that. :P
[11:21] <Simonth> :P
[11:22] <sexcopter8000m> if you have ubuntu can you just download kde in synaptic/apt-get as if it were another package?
[11:22] <elwood> yes
[11:23] <topyli> sexcopter8000m: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:23] <mebaran151> topyli: sexcopter?
[11:24] <mebaran151> oh whoops
[11:24] <mebaran151> just struck me as an interesting sudo
[11:24] <topyli> hehhe
[11:24] <sexcopter8000m> lol
[11:26] <mebaran151> didnt see the colon
[11:26] <sexcopter8000m> so why bother with kubuntu then?
[11:26] <mebaran151> sexcopter8000m: because you love KDE
[11:26] <mebaran151> and you love QT
[11:26] <sexcopter8000m> QT? quicktime?
[11:26] <mebaran151> and you think nothing is nicer than using Konqeuror
[11:26] <leroj> bleh KDE :(
[11:26] <topyli> sexcopter8000m: perhaps you don't want gnome at all. kubuntu is supposed to have a nice kde setup by default
[11:26] <mebaran151> and you realize that Kioslaves are much better than Gnome-VFS
[11:26] <sexcopter8000m> ok, but don't people say kubuntu has bug issues or sommat?
[11:26] <mebaran151> and you love the letter K
[11:26] <sexcopter8000m> how does that figure?
[11:26] <mebaran151> then you will use Kubuntu
[11:26] <mebaran151> sexcopter8000m: not BIG issues
[11:26] <mebaran151> like minor issues
[11:26] <mebaran151> I used it
[11:26] <mebaran151> it isnt quite as polished
[11:26] <leroj> you will get a mix of GNOME and KDE apps in the menus though
[11:26] <mebaran151> Mandrake makes a better KDE centric desktop
[11:26] <mebaran151> too bad nobody makes a desktop on E17
[11:26] <topyli> sure
[11:26] <sexcopter8000m> what does the live cd use?
[11:26] <mebaran151> I tried theh Live CD and it was awesome
[11:27] <mebaran151> sexcopter8000m: both have livecd's
[11:27] <mebaran151> I wish someone would package E17
[11:27] <sexcopter8000m> ok, then i might try the kde live cd on my new lappa when it arrives to see what it's like
[11:27] <topyli> mandrake does have a nice gnome too. i've used it in the past, always gnome
[11:27] <sexcopter8000m> (i've never used/seen kde)
[11:28] <Dr_Melectaus> dammit
[11:28] <Dr_Melectaus> i cant get the sound to work for a .avi in any of my media players
[11:28] <Dr_Melectaus> i can get all my music files to run
[11:28] <mebaran151> xfce and e17 are nice
[11:28] <Echelon-H> when will ubuntu support xfce 4.2.2?
[11:28] <mebaran151> Dr_Melectaus: do you have mp3 support installed
[11:29] <mebaran151> Echelon-H: doesnt it already
[11:29] <Dr_Melectaus> yes mebaran151
[11:29] <mebaran151> I saw 4.2 in the repos
[11:29] <Echelon-H> mebaran151, dont think so
[11:29] <mebaran151> do you have ogg support or mp2 support
[11:29] <Echelon-H> I talk about 4.2.2, not 4.2.1
[11:29] <Dr_Melectaus> its a .avi, it requires the divx codecs, i have w32codecs installed
[11:29] <mebaran151> Echelon-H: what got changed
[11:29] <mebaran151> Dr_Melectaus: get mplayer
[11:29] <mebaran151> it is king
[11:29] <Echelon-H> I dont really know but I can't use the "windows" button to open the menu on xfce.
[11:29] <Dr_Melectaus> mebaran151, i aussume so. the mp3 codecs would support all prior Mp formars wouldntthey?
[11:30] <Echelon-H> and it is said to be fixed in 4.2.2
[11:30] <mebaran151> Dr_Melectaus: not at all
[11:30] <mebaran151> mp3 and mp2 are very different standards
[11:30] <mebaran151> you can get support for mpeg2 more easily than mpeg3
[11:30] <mebaran151> but I got to turn in
[11:30] <mebaran151> night all
[11:31] <Dr_Melectaus> ok mebaran151
[11:31] <PurpleMotion> planeshift is downright broken
[11:31] <Dr_Melectaus> nn mebaran151
[11:32] <Amaranth> good night all
[11:33] <PurpleMotion> im updating it, hopefully that will make it work
[11:33] <PurpleMotion> cause out of the box, it's very broken
[11:33] <ma3x> what is the device for usb? under debian is /dev/sda1
[11:34] <Nermal> dmesg
[11:34] <ma3x> it doesn't display
[11:35] <ma3x> and what the hell is this serial8250: too much work for irq10
[11:35] <ma3x> i get 1000 lines like that
[11:35] <keikoz> some strange device on your serial port maybee ?
[11:36] <ma3x> no, i have nothing attached to the serial port
[11:36] <Dr_Melectaus> where are the font files stored ?
[11:37] <keikoz> somewhere in /usr/share i guess
[11:37] <batma8> ok..so i used my restore discs and have windows back up
[11:37] <batma8> do i just run the ubuntu setup from cd
[11:37] <batma8> and it will make a dual boot?
[11:37] <ma3x> this is crazy
[11:37] <ma3x> what is the USB device under ubuntu?
[11:37] <ma3x> in debian it's /dev/sda1
[11:37] <topyli> batma8: right
[11:37] <ma3x> but in ubuntu /dev/sda exist not!
[11:38] <liable> would think /etc
[11:38] <liable> oops
[11:38] <topyli> ma3x: could be in /media
[11:38] <batma8> hmm..it seems it wants to overright my windows
[11:39] <ma3x> yeah right
[11:39] <topyli> batma8: make sure you don't format your windows partition. i think by default it takes over the whole disk
[11:39] <batma8> ive done this once before
[11:40] <batma8> but i think i put windows on second
[11:40] <jono> hi all
[11:40] <jono> is X fixed in Breezy?
[11:40] <batma8> manually edit partition table..right?
[11:41] <salil> can anyone tell me how i can change the key settings to cycle thru the desktop
[11:42] <rickity> alt tab
[11:42] <sexcopter8000m> batma8, if you have windows installed, and just want to install ubuntu, i'd create some unallocated space using windows and then tell ubuntu to partition free space automatically
[11:42] <salil> no.. not through the Windows... through the "Desktops"
[11:43] <salil> and.. i want to change the keys..
[11:43] <batma8> good plan
[11:43] <batma8> ill try that
[11:43] <sexcopter8000m> salil, system, prefs, keyboard shortcuts?
[11:43] <salil> sexcopter8000m: i'm using kubuntu.. :-|
[11:43] <sexcopter8000m> oh
[11:44] <sexcopter8000m> heh, no idea then
[11:44] <keikoz> salil you mean the terminals ?
[11:44] <topyli> i guess in kde it's configurable too. everything is, it's just a bit messy
[11:44] <salil> keikoz: no .. not the terminals.. the keys that are used to cycle thru desktops..
[11:44] <keikoz> ah
[11:44] <salil> topyli: yea..
[11:45] <sexcopter8000m> well in ubuntu it's shift + control + alt + left/right arrow
[11:46] <topyli> how well does thunderbird handle very large mailboxes?
[11:46] <rowanjl> I'm trying to use Synaptic to install gftp, but I keep getting this error: Depends: gftp-gtk but 2.0.17-6ubuntu0.2 is to be installed / Depends: gftp-text but it is not going to be installed. The thing is, both of them are already installed...
[11:46] <salil> sexcopter8000m: yes.. and in kubuntu its.. Ctrl+Tab.. you see.. so.. i'm having problems cycling through tabs
[11:46] <Dr_Melectaus> I cant get the audio to work for playing a .AVI, can some one please help me out?
[11:47] <keikoz> Dr_Melectaus which application are you trying to run ?
[11:47] <sexcopter8000m> hmmm, can't help ya salil, sorry
[11:47] <lesshaste>  hi.. very simple question but is there an app that will let me browse jpegs and also print ones that I want to?
[11:48] <salil> sexcopter8000m: its.. okay.. thanks anyway
[11:48] <sexcopter8000m> rowanjl, maybe if you remove those packages and try afresh, just choose gftp and it should sort out dependencies
[11:48] <Echelon-H> can cedega work under ubuntu?
[11:48] <rickity> Alt ctrl left arrow
[11:48] <keikoz> lesshaste gimp ?
[11:48] <rowanjl> sexcopter8000m, hope so
[11:48] <Dr_Melectaus> keikoz, it is happening in all of them
[11:48] <rickity> salil,  alt ctrl left arrow
[11:48] <Dr_Melectaus> keikoz, i tried killall esd then tried running esd again
[11:48] <Dr_Melectaus> but still the same problom
[11:49] <salil> rickity: that's in "ubuntu" .. but i'm using "kubuntu" and i need to change those keys.. not use them.. :P
[11:49] <keikoz> when you test the output, in the media selecter, what happens ?
[11:49] <rickity> salil doh
[11:49] <Dr_Melectaus> keikoz, ive tried running it in mplayer (but dont know what codecs to choose for it to make it run), totem, and VLC
[11:49] <rowanjl> sexcopter8000m, nope, same error
[11:50] <keikoz> kill esd, put the media on alsa on the multimedia selecter, and try running vlc
[11:50] <lesshaste> keikoz, how do you browse in gimp?
[11:51] <topyli> Dr_Melectaus: try without esd
[11:51] <keikoz> lesshaste no idea
[11:51] <lesshaste> right
[11:51] <Nermal> lesshaste, browse ?
[11:51] <lesshaste> Nermal, see thumbnails
[11:51] <Nermal> lesshaste, you don't.. nautilus has thumbnails
[11:51] <Nermal> or use gthumb or f-spot
[11:51] <lesshaste> Nermal, trying nautilus now...
[11:52] <Nermal> f-spot is good for photos
[11:52] <topyli> lesshaste: gThumb browses and prints
[11:52] <sexcopter8000m> rowanjl, no idea then, sorry
[11:52] <rowanjl> sexcopter8000m, darn, know of any other gui ftp clients?
[11:52] <sexcopter8000m> you haven't like, updated the kernel or something major and not rebooted yet, have you?
[11:52] <batma8> hmm..xp wont let me make another partition on this master drive
[11:52] <sexcopter8000m> nope, i only use gftp
[11:52] <lesshaste> topyli, thx
[11:52] <batma8> should i use part majic?
[11:53] <rowanjl> sexcopter8000m, nope, this is a bland warty install
[11:53] <salil_> i got it..
[11:53] <salil_> its in the control center..
[11:53] <sexcopter8000m> then maybe you should get up to date on kernels and stuff
[11:53] <asdasd> hello every1
[11:53] <salil_> under regional & accessibility
[11:53] <sexcopter8000m> batma8, is your drive just one big partition at the moment?
[11:54] <batma8> sure is
[11:54] <batma8> im in computer managment, but most my options are greyed out
[11:54] <sexcopter8000m> ok, then you'll need something to partition it i guess. i've never had to so i don't know about that, sorry
[11:54] <batma8> its cool
[11:54] <Nermal> rowanjl, gnomeftp ?
[11:54] <batma8> thank you for your help
[11:54] <Nermal> ie: gftp ?
[11:54] <Xyc0> batma8: diskmanagr
[11:54] <rowanjl> Nermal, thats what I can't install
[11:55] <Nermal> oh..
[11:55] <Nermal> what's the error ?
[11:55] <Xyc0> batma8: start > run >diskmanagr
[11:55] <rowanjl> Depends: gftp-gtk but 2.0.17-6ubuntu0.2 is to be installed / Depends: gftp-text but it is not going to be installed. The thing is, both of them are already installed...
[11:55] <Dr_Melectaus> keikoz, didnt work
[11:55] <Nermal> rowanjl, tried doing apt-get -f install
[11:55] <Nermal> sudo obviously
[11:56] <batma8> Xyc0: windows cannot find 'diskmanagr'
[11:56] <Xyc0> batma8: diskmangr ?
[11:56] <Xyc0> batma8: i might have misspelled it
[11:56] <rowanjl> Nermal, exactly the same error
[11:57] <keikoz> Dr_Melectaus , when you start ubuntu, do you hear the basic sounds of the desktop ?
[11:57] <Nermal> rowanjl, tried sudo dpkg --configure -a ?
[11:57] <Dr_Melectaus> keikoz, i tried what you suggested and it never worked
[11:57] <Dr_Melectaus> yea keikoz
[11:57] <rowanjl> Nermal, what does that do?
[11:57] <batma8> Xyc0: im a horrible speller, but ya, in computer managment i goto my disk managment options and it wont let me partion my active primary drive
[11:57] <Dr_Melectaus> i can play music files, such as mp3, ogg
[11:57] <keikoz> that mean your sound device is supported
[11:57] <Nermal> configures any unconfigured packages
[11:57] <Nermal> if that fails try sudo apt-get install gftp-text and see what that gives
[11:57] <keikoz> ah, you just have pbls with avi
[11:57] <Dr_Melectaus> its just video files and dvd's im haveing trouble with
[11:58] <keikoz> Dr_Melectaus try using vlc, but put the media selecter on oss
[11:58] <Xyc0> batma8: oh, then youll need to use a third party partitioner, partition magic is decent
[11:58] <Dr_Melectaus> ok
[11:58] <keikoz> vlc is using oss i guess
[11:58] <batma8> alright
[11:58] <batma8> im on it
[11:58] <batma8> ehhe
[11:58] <ondrej> Hi all, I am going to participate in l10n for czech language, and I would like to know how are new translations handled back to Debian...  I would like not to do double work.
[11:58] <keikoz> still killing esd
[11:58] <ondrej> BTW anybody from ShipIt team here?
[11:58] <Xyc0> batma8: give ubuntu at least 10 gig tho to have plenty of room to install cool programs
[11:58] <topyli> rowanjl: gftp is a debian package and conflicts with ubuntu's gftp-gtk. you don't need gftp
[11:58] <rowanjl> Depends: gftp-common (= 2.0.17-6) but 2.0.17-6ubuntu0.2 is to be installed / E: Broken packages
[11:59] <rowanjl> topyli, what do I need then?
[11:59] <tiglionabbit> hello
[11:59] <Xyc0> hello
[11:59] <topyli> rowanjl: you already have gftp-gtk right? that's all i have and i'm fine
[12:00] <Dr_Melectaus> keikoz, nope still no sound :-\
[12:00] <tiglionabbit> Hi, I'm using a Soundblaster Live 5.1 card, but I only get sound from one speaker
[12:00] <rowanjl> topyli, thanks, I didn't feel like working around bugs all night :)
[12:00] <topyli> heh
[12:00] <aford_> hi - my mail is not working with php mail().. should I be setting something up in PHP or Apache or Ubuntu?
[12:00] <keikoz> Dr_Melectaus dont know in this case, sorry, but it is possible that there is a pbl with your file
[12:00] <keikoz> try with others avi
[12:02] <Dr_Melectaus> there is a pbl ? (whats a pbl
[12:02] <Dr_Melectaus> )**
[12:04] <Earered> Dr_Melectaus, pbl == problem (I guess)
[12:04] <keikoz> pbl = problem
[12:04] <keikoz> sorry ^^
[12:04] <Dr_Melectaus> lol cool
[12:04] <sijmen> Hello all.
[12:04] <Dr_Melectaus> ill try rebooting and see if it works
[12:05] <sijmen> Is it possible to get a list of services that get started during normal bootup? Ie, everything init starts?
[12:05] <tiglionabbit> anybody else have soundblaster live?  Why do I only hear sound through one speaker...
[12:06] <lesshaste> tiglionabbit, hmm... difficult to guess... wiring problems? What happens if you plug in headphones?
[12:06] <lesshaste> tiglionabbit, balance? have you run a mixer app?
[12:07] <Xyc0> tiglionabbit: alsamixer, playaround with the settings
[12:08] <parabolize> I just added a ps2 mouse to my laptop and added psmouse proto=bare to /etc/modules all is working but the mouse wheel. Here is the mouse section of xorg.conf http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/869
[12:10] <tiglionabbit> plays fine in both ears of my headphones.  I hope my speakers aren't busted
[12:10] <sijmen> Sounds a bit like so.
[12:11] <sijmen> Is the plug plugged in as it should, and are both speakers connected?
[12:11] <Bramme> i opened the gimp and all my desktop-items vanished... (gnome) i've rebooted the machine and now my desktop background is gone too
[12:11] <parabolize> the up and down bottons don't work anymore on the touchpad either.
[12:12] <tiglionabbit> oh here we go, I set totem's output to "5.1 Speaker" and now it plays in both
[12:12] <tiglionabbit> it used to be set to Stereo
[12:12] <tiglionabbit> I wonder how I set things like that in other programs
[12:13] <eliUbuntu> !fglrx
[12:13] <ubotu> it has been said that fglrx is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:13] <tiglionabbit> hm, changing things to alsa also seems to have improved it
[12:13] <SquareGuy> hey i just upgraded my doom3 install to 1.3, i never put in the cd key beacuse i never played online.  now it needs it to play single player but it will not accept the key.  i cannot put the dashes in because then there isnt enough room and i have tried both uppercase and lowercase.  any ideas on how to get this key entered or a possible workaround?
[12:15] <sijmen> How does init decide the order of started programs within the /etc/rc#.d directories?
[12:15] <tiglionabbit> oh no, Flash failed to install.  Is the one on macromedia's website safe?  What is recommended?
[12:15] <chrissturm> sijmen, with the numbers in the filename
[12:16] <sijmen> alphabetical?
[12:16] <parabolize> SquareGuy, edit ~/.doom3/base/xpkey and ~/.doom3/base/doomkey with gedit.
[12:17] <chrissturm> sijmen, just use 2 digit numbers in front of the name, its executed alphabetical, so its executed in the order of the numbers
[12:17] <SquareGuy> parabolize, thx do i put the dashes in?
[12:17] <lunitik> tiglionabbit, just go to a flash site and click the green icon showing where the flash should be
[12:17] <asad2k5> Help with setserial needed, I have an 8 port PCI card with two ports not working, the ones at port 9000 [size 32] 
[12:17] <lunitik> tiglionabbit, firefox will do the rest  ;)
[12:17] <sijmen> chrissturm: Is there a specific use for the letters?
[12:17] <znh> anyways 'kubuntu' means KDE ubuntu right?
[12:17] <chrissturm> sijmen, S = start K = kill
[12:17] <sijmen> Ah, like that.
[12:17] <znh> chrissturm: so Kubuntu means kill ubuntu :-/
[12:18] <chrissturm> sijmen, one starts the process the other stops it
[12:18] <tiglionabbit> lunitik: I did that, and it "failed to install, must be installed manually"
[12:18] <parabolize> SquareGuy, no but make all uppercase
[12:18] <chrissturm> znh, hehe
[12:18] <SquareGuy> parabolize, thanks
[12:18] <lunitik> tiglionabbit, blah... sounds like thats what you did.... activate universe and install flashplayer-mozilla
[12:18] <parabolize> np
[12:19] <lunitik> tiglionabbit, no reason for it to fail though, but I'll take your word for it...
[12:19] <ma3x> how to display icon of kmail under the internet menu?
[12:19] <aford_> hi - can anyone help with getting mail sending from my webserver?  Do I have to have sendmail set up or can I point my smtp to another computer with sendmail setup
[12:19] <aford_> ?
[12:19] <Burgundavia> ma3x, you might get better help in #kubuntu
[12:19] <tiglionabbit> lunitik: it worked for me on my other install, before the firefox upgrades
[12:20] <lunitik> ma3x, GNOME 2.10 menu editing requires either a menu editing tool, or manual editing via config files
[12:20] <lunitik> tiglionabbit, fresh install, worked here yesturday...
[12:21] <chrissturm> anyone here running breezy having a working keyboard?
[12:21] <tiglionabbit> lunitik: what did you do first, install Flash, or hit the automatic upgrade button?
[12:21] <lunitik> chrissturm, don't use breezy
[12:21] <lunitik> the latter
[12:21] <lunitik> tiglionabbit, ^^
[12:21] <tiglionabbit> really.  Then what the crap is wrong
[12:22] <lunitik> tiglionabbit, no idea... just do what I told you
[12:22] <ma3x> im on kubuntu not gnome
[12:22] <lunitik> ma3x, kmenuedit
[12:22] <lunitik> ma3x, /j #kubuntu or #kde
[12:23] <lunitik> ma3x, they will be much more helpful with KDE issues... it should be in the menu's though...
[12:23] <aford_> in order to send mail should I install sendmail on my webserver or just point the php.ini sendmail_path to the ip of another webserver with it installed?
[12:24] <lunitik> ma3x, enless they decided to take all the parts of kontact out of the menu in place of the app itself
[12:24] <vegard> hey.. can anybody help me booting the ubuntu install cd on a macintosh?
[12:24] <lunitik> aford_, stupid question... but the latter
[12:24] <lunitik> vegard, you hold down ctrl+c?
[12:24] <vegard> is that it? i tried just "c"..
[12:24] <lunitik> should be
[12:25] <vegard> well, thanks. i thought it would boot even without me holding down anything.
[12:25] <tiglionabbit> lunitik: grabbed "flashplugin-nonfree" as the wiki said, worked, yay
[12:25] <remyforbes777>   /quit
[12:25] <vegard> lunitik: okay, i'll be back if there are more problems :) thanks.
[12:25] <lunitik> tiglionabbit, same thing...
[12:26] <lunitik> tiglionabbit, flashplayer-mozilla is from elsewhere, flashplayer-nonfree is the debianized package
[12:26] <aford_> lunitik, it does not seem to work
[12:26] <txcangel> to compile aMule i need something called wxWidgets, to install wxWidgets i need GTK+ and thats my problem.. i cant find GTK+ anywhere
[12:26] <lunitik> aford_, shitty... read up on it.
[12:27] <lunitik> txcangel, its already installed... you need the dev packages.... libgtk2.0-dev
[12:27] <aford_> lunitik, I am doing that right now
[12:27] <txcangel> from where?
[12:27] <tiglionabbit> lunitik: elsewhere being..?
[12:27] <DJ_Necrogami> apt-get
[12:27] <lunitik> txcangel, just type 'apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev' at a console
[12:27] <txcangel> thank you
[12:27] <DJ_Necrogami> lunitik: you beat me to it
[12:28] <lunitik> txcangel, but uhh... you realize amule is already available?
[12:28] <lunitik> txcangel, just type 'apt-get install amule' or fire up synaptic and search for it...
[12:29] <lunitik> txcangel, if you don't know enough to get the dev packages, you probably shouldn't be compiling things
[12:29] <txcangel> you might be right
[12:29] <txcangel> but i want to learn somehow
[12:29] <lunitik> txcangel, no point, enless you know how to code...
[12:30] <lunitik> you learn very little from compiling things if you don't play with build scripts...
[12:31] <vegard> lunitik: no, it was no good. i tried Ctrl-C and Cmd-C, and various other things, but nothing seemed to work.
[12:31] <txcangel> so far it seems to be working quite fine..
[12:31] <xukun> lunitik, where would I start if I want to play with scripts
[12:31] <xukun> ?
[12:31] <vegard> lunitik: i can access the CD from Mac OS, it's called "Ubuntu_PowerPC_hoary" and it contains several directories and files.
[12:31] <lunitik> vegard, eh... I don't have a mac... afaik, the apple/command key + c should do it though
[12:32] <vegard> gah :-/ right, thanks anyway.
[12:32] <aford_> my webserver is sitting behind another computer which is a mail server among other things.  how do I set my webserver up so that I can send mail from php?
[12:32] <lunitik> vegard, apple computers don't even have a ctrl key, so you should have realized I wasn't looking at a mac keyboard  ;)
[12:32] <vegard> yes, they do.
[12:32] <gilv> hi
[12:32] <gilv> why is it that gaim tries to open my mails using open office 2 ?
[12:32] <vegard> Shift, Ctrl, Alt, Cmd, Space, Cmd, Alt, Ctrl, Shift <-- bottom row layout (+ shift keys)
[12:34] <littleworm> i can't play video files, totem says i need plugins
[12:34] <Tomcat_> !restrictedformats
[12:34] <ubotu> somebody said restrictedformats was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[12:34] <Tomcat_> littleworm: Check that. :o
[12:34] <lunitik> !codecs
[12:34] <ubotu> somebody said codecs was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:35] <lunitik> hmm... ok
[12:35] <lunitik> !botsnack
[12:35] <ubotu> :)
[12:35] <lunitik> !lart me
[12:36] <lunitik> woohoo
[12:36] <littleworm> thnaks
[12:45] <rowanjl> For some reason my sound in warty has gone barf... The first time it loaded Gnome played the login sounds, the second time there where two soundcards (one of which is the built in one on the mobo, disabled in the bios) and now there are none... wtf?
[12:46] <rowanjl> When I try to open the Mixer: Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found
[12:46] <selinium> #j mysql
[12:46] <znh> (12:45:50) thoreauputic: znh: some guy told me the "new" VISTA stands for Various Improvements Similar To Apple ;)
[12:47] <rowanjl> Is there a way I can configure the soundcards?
[12:48] <nabinzki> wenas?
[12:48] <parabolize> yay! got the middle click working but still no scroll wheel.
[12:48] <rowanjl> pmai, please ask before private messaging
[12:50] <rowanjl> Anyone?
[12:51] <sijmen> znh: No, VISTA stands for Virusses, Intrusions, Spyware, Trojans & Adware.
[12:52] <salil> someone please help me..
[12:52] <rowanjl> Vista: Virtual intelect slowing training application
[12:53] <thoreauputic> salil: not much we can do unless you ask a question :)
[12:53] <rowanjl> Hah
[12:53] <salil> my display driver is corrupted.. my screen is at 640x480 right now..
[12:53] <salil> how do i change it back..??
[12:53] <thoreauputic> !resolution
[12:53] <ubotu> resolution is, like, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:54] <DJ_Necrogami> the only way il use vista is if i dont pay for it ... lol and they supply it w/ the hard drive it goes on
[12:54] <DJ_Necrogami> hahaha
[12:54] <mweimer> hi
[12:54] <rowanjl> You should be able to PM ubortu: /msg keyword user
[12:54] <Nevado> my brother has the first beta, it looks pretty nice to be fair
[12:54] <thoreauputic> salil: I doubt that it is really "corrupted" - read ubotu's URL before you panic ;)
[12:54] <salil> ubotu: thanks .. i'll try that..
[12:54] <ubotu> de nada, salil
[12:55] <mweimer> is there a updated ubuntu install cd available somewhere on the net? The version I have (5.04) comes with a kernel that does not run on my system due to a USB-related bug.
[12:55] <thoreauputic> ha I didn't know the bot responded to a thank you :)
[12:55] <thoreauputic> !good bot
[12:55] <rowanjl> ... is Ubotu really just a bot?
[12:55] <ubotu> :)
[12:55] <thoreauputic> yup
[12:55] <thoreauputic> !botsnack
[12:55] <ubotu> thanks thoreauputic :)
[12:55] <thoreauputic> :D
[12:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[12:56] <rowanjl> !botkill
[12:56] <ubotu> No idea, rowanjl
[12:56] <rowanjl> Hah
[12:56] <thoreauputic> rowanjl: you evil sadist!
[12:56] <thoreauputic> :)
[12:56] <rowanjl> !botlove
[12:56] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, rowanjl
[12:56] <bimberi> !lart me
[12:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[12:56] <bimberi> yuk!
[12:56] <rowanjl> was it sticky?
[12:56] <thoreauputic> bimberi: you asked for it ! :D
[12:56] <bimberi> mmhmm
[12:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> hope it's not as strong as koala piss
[12:57] <rowanjl> !lart bimberi
[12:57] <bimberi> argh!
[12:57] <bimberi> botchopped!
[12:57] <rowanjl> Finally! A nerdy way to take out anger!
[12:57] <salil> how do i give the BusID of my video card..?
[12:58] <thoreauputic> salil: you can ignore that question - hit enter
[12:58] <lunitik> rowanjl, not a regular in #debian for the last x years?  ;)
[12:58] <salil> ooh.. okay
[12:58] <DJ_Necrogami> !lart thoreauputic
[12:58] <rowanjl> lunitik, no way
[12:58] <bimberi> lol
[12:58] <lunitik> (atleast 5 or so)
[12:58] <DJ_Necrogami> :-D
[12:58] <lunitik> rowanjl, oh... dpkg and apt bots both do it...
[12:59] <DJ_Necrogami> !find god
[12:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[12:59] <lunitik> rowanjl, its just like Ubuntu... only with more choice  ;)
[12:59] <ubotu> godbcconfig: (GTK Based ODBC Configuration GUI), section universe/gnome, is optional. Version: 2.2.4-11ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 30 kB, Installed size: 140 kB
[12:59] <rowanjl> So can anyone help me with my soundcard problems?
[12:59] <DJ_Necrogami> lmfao
[12:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[12:59] <Tomcat_> ubotu found god?
[12:59] <ubotu> Tomcat_: I don't know, could you explain it?
[12:59] <rowanjl> lunitik, its like Ununto, but with extra evil bastard
[01:00] <DJ_Necrogami> !lart ubotu
[01:00] <DJ_Necrogami> haha
[01:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> omg lols
[01:00] <lunitik> rowanjl, negative... it adds about 3 more questions... one of which is application choice... another being domain name... etc
[01:00] <rowanjl> Anyhow, soundcard problems?
[01:01] <orac7000> rowanjl: what card, what problems?
[01:01] <lunitik> rowanjl, lspci | grep snd
[01:01] <lunitik> rowanjl, what that say?
[01:01] <Baosen> Hello! I got a question: How do u install programs with .deb in the end?
[01:01] <rowanjl> For some reason my sound in warty has gone barf... The first time it loaded Gnome played the login sounds, the second time there where two soundcards (one of which is the built in one on the mobo, disabled in the bios) and now there are none... wtf?
[01:01] <lunitik> rowanjl, bah... grep AUDIO
[01:01] <Baosen> I'm newbie
[01:01] <Bramme> dpkg -i foo.deb
[01:01] <rowanjl> The card that should be working is a Sound Blaster
[01:01] <orac7000> Baosensudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[01:02] <lunitik> rowanjl, uhh... only, not caps
[01:02] <Baosen> I always got something with sudo dpkg
[01:02] <Strass> hi all
[01:02] <liraz> Using qtconfig can I install kde themes?
[01:02] <rowanjl> lunitik, empty
[01:02] <liraz> I want to get a different look rather then the current crappy GUI styles in qtconfig
[01:02] <thoreauputic> Baosen: generally you don't need to do that - use the package manager (synaptic) to install stuff - don't download individual .debs
[01:02] <Bramme> Baosen, sudo dpkg -i file.deb :p
[01:02] <Strass> is there still the problem with keyboard layouts in breezy nowadays?
[01:02] <lunitik> rowanjl, can't be... 'lspci | grep audio'
[01:02] <lunitik> liraz, kconfig? yes
[01:02] <Baosen> ok
[01:03] <rowanjl> rowan@pixelcarnage:~ $ lspci | grep audio / rowan@pixelcarnage:~ $
[01:03] <thoreauputic> !synaptic
[01:03] <ubotu> from memory, synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[01:03] <liraz> lunitik, qtconfig. The one where I dont need to isntall any kde related stuff
[01:03] <lunitik> rowanjl, uhh.. then you don't have a sound card...
[01:03] <thoreauputic> Baosen: do you know about extra repositories?
[01:03] <rowanjl> lunitik, yes I do...
[01:03] <lunitik> liraz, no idea then
[01:03] <lunitik> rowanjl, then it would show up...
[01:03] <rowanjl> but it isn't?
[01:03] <Baosen> nope
[01:03] <rowanjl> lunitik, it was working three boots ago.
[01:04] <rowanjl> Then the second boot I had two, one was the onboard pos card and the other the sound blaster
[01:04] <lunitik> rowanjl, for instance, mine farts out '0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  Sound Controller (rev a0)'
[01:04] <thoreauputic> !tell Baosen about repos
[01:04] <rowanjl> lunitik, I have a soundcard...
[01:04] <thoreauputic> Baosen: get that?
[01:04] <lunitik> rowanjl, new kernel? cuz its not even probabing a soundcard...
[01:04] <rowanjl> lunitik, standard warty
[01:04] <Baosen> well, reading now
[01:04] <thoreauputic> Baosen: :)
[01:05] <rowanjl> I've installed a couple of apps, but apart from that its a fresh install
[01:05] <lunitik> rowanjl, makes no difference here... although thats an old kernel... but should still show something
[01:06] <rowanjl> lunitik, it was working, the first time Ununtu loaded
[01:06] <rowanjl> Perhaps I should just restart and hope for the best?
[01:07] <Jemt> rowanjl: Linux shouldn't need to be restarted
[01:07] <Baosen> so i just use Synaptic when installing programs?
[01:07] <lunitik> rowanjl, cat /proc/asound/cards
[01:07] <Jemt> rowanjl: Only when you play around with the kernel
[01:07] <rowanjl> parse error. Last token seen: / / Garbled time
[01:07] <thoreauputic> Baosen: yes, to begin with at least - you can use apt-get on the command line too
[01:08] <bimberi> Baosen: It's preferable to use synaptic (or apt-get or aptitude) where possible
[01:08] <rowanjl> (The second / is the newline)
[01:08] <lunitik> rowanjl, ls /proc/asound
[01:08] <Baosen> ok
[01:08] <Baosen> tnx
[01:08] <rowanjl> ls: /proc/asound: No such file or directory
[01:08] <littleworm> how can i change the "gimp" splash screen?
[01:08] <lunitik> rowanjl, yeah... thats bad
[01:08] <thoreauputic> Baosen: if you enable universe and multiverse you will have thousands to choose from
[01:08] <Bramme> is there an alternative for nautilus under gnome ?
[01:08] <lunitik> rowanjl, ls /proc
[01:08] <liraz> somthing is hogging my sound device, how can I trade what is hogging it?
[01:08] <rowanjl> lunitik, lots of stuff
[01:09] <hid3> Hello everyone.. Is there any way in ubuntu live set refresh rate to 85Hz with resolution 800x600? Maximum I can acieve is 75Hz..
[01:09] <lunitik> rowanjl, ok... your alsa is fucked... /etc/init.d/asound restart
[01:09] <littleworm> how can i change the "gimp" splash screen?
[01:09] <liraz> oh, it seems to work in tvtime, weird... any ideas?
[01:09] <Nameeater> is it safe to use debian packages?
[01:09] <lunitik> rowanjl, uhh... make that '/etc/init.d/alsa restart'
[01:10] <lunitik> rowanjl, with 'sudo' in front too
[01:10] <rowanjl> ok
[01:10] <Jemt> hid3: Actually I prefer 75 Hz. Can you see the difference ?
[01:10] <thoreauputic> liran_: try lsof /dev/dsp to see
[01:10] <rowanjl> lunitik,  * Storing ALSA mixer settings...
[01:10] <hid3> Jemt: why to use 75 if my monitor can display 85? ;-)
[01:10] <lunitik> rowanjl, it stalled there?
[01:10] <thoreauputic> oops liraz that was for you ^^^
[01:11] <rowanjl> lunitik, it said no more, and returned to the console
[01:11] <littleworm> how can i change the "gimp" splash screen?
[01:11] <liraz> thoreauputic, yeah figured. It doesn't return anything;.
[01:11] <lunitik> rowanjl, said nothing about starting it again?
[01:11] <rowanjl> lunitik, nope
[01:11] <Jemt> hid3: But you can try running 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' - don't know if it works on the Live CD though
[01:11] <liraz> thoreauputic, this happened before - the only app sound works in is tvtime...
[01:11] <Jemt> hid3: It's a step-by-step X configuration tool
[01:11] <hid3> thanks, I'll try it
[01:11] <Jemt> hid3: :)
[01:12] <lunitik> rowanjl, hmm... ok... is /proc/asound back yet?
[01:12] <thoreauputic> liran_: you could try killing esd ( esd likes to hog the sound)
[01:12] <rowanjl> lunitik, rowan@pixelcarnage:~ $ sudo /etc/init.d/alsa start / * Restoring ALSA mixer settings... / alsactl: load_state:1134: No soundcards found...
[01:12] <rowanjl> /proc/asound is bad still
[01:13] <lunitik> rowanjl, explains why restart did nothing... failed...
[01:13] <littleworm> how can i change the "gimp" splash screen?
[01:13] <lunitik> rowanjl, yeah... nothing I can do to help without physically being at the machine...
[01:13] <rowanjl> brick + hammer?
[01:13] <thoreauputic> littleworm: please stop repeating, it's annoying
[01:13] <lunitik> rowanjl, something is wrong with your sound physically...
[01:13] <incompetence> rowanjl: poste your "lspci -v" to http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[01:13] <lunitik> rowanjl, you have other sound cards you can try?
[01:14] <rowanjl> lunitik, nope, I'll remount it and blow off some dust
[01:14] <lunitik> incompetence, it shows nothing to do with audio...
[01:14] <rowanjl> It was working fine 12 hours ago
[01:14] <liraz> thoreauputic, right. same thing :/ I could just restart, but this has happened before...
[01:14] <rowanjl> lunitik, back soon :)
[01:15] <thoreauputic> liran_: if it's any consolation, i believe the sound issues are being worked on for breezy
[01:15] <lunitik> incompetence, why, if lspci shows nothing related to audio would lspci -v be more enlightening? /proc didn't even have it...
[01:15] <liraz> thoreauputic, yes it is. Why the heck does esd still exist?.. shoulden't we just fully migrate to ALSA
[01:16] <thoreauputic> bah wrong nick again .../me kicks his tab key
[01:16] <MAPD> hey
[01:17] <MAPD> anyone knows anything about rss feeds?
[01:17] <incompetence> lunitik: you can see the interupts to
[01:17] <thoreauputic> liraz: yeah, but we still need a sound daemon to enable multiple sounds if I understand corectly
[01:17] <incompetence> but it is not really enlightening
[01:17] <liraz> thoreauputic, doesn;t alsa allow that?
[01:17] <lunitik> incompetence, the kernel knows nothing about any of that... so its not helpful
[01:17] <thoreauputic> liraz: not by itself - unless the card supports it ( I think that's what crimsun said anyway)
[01:18] <lunitik> incompetence, if the kernel can't see it... a process that requests info from the kernel curtainly won't
[01:18] <DJ_Necrogami> !lart
[01:18] <incompetence> lunitik: ok ok , i shut up
[01:18] <liraz> thoreauputic, I thought it could with software mixing
[01:18] <zho> hiks... how to install firefox flash plugin?
[01:18] <liraz> but nevermind
[01:18] <zho> it can't works... on me..
[01:18] <thoreauputic> liraz: I don't know
[01:18] <lunitik> zho, activate universe and install flashplayer-mozilla
[01:19] <zho> lunitik : can i apt-get it?
[01:19] <liraz> thoreauputic, gonna try logout etc to fix sound, at worst reboot
[01:19] <liraz> ;)
[01:19] <lunitik> zho, if you do what I just said... yes...
[01:19] <lunitik> zho, use synaptic
[01:19] <thoreauputic> lunitik: isn't flashplayer-mozilla in multiverse ?
[01:19] <zho> lunitik : okay... i'll try it 1st...
[01:20] <DJ_Necrogami> !lart ##PHP everyone
[01:20] <lunitik> !tell zho about RestrictedFormats
[01:20] <DJ_Necrogami> ahh damn
[01:20] <DJ_Necrogami> `.~
[01:20] <DJ_Necrogami> ~.~
[01:20] <incompetence> anybody using vanilla kernel 2.6.12.3?
[01:20] <lunitik> thoreauputic, ahh... thats what I meant.
[01:20] <DJ_Necrogami> !lart #php moo
[01:20] <rowanjl> lunitik, one reboot later and I have two soundcards again... neither of them are my soundblaster... O_o
[01:20] <DJ_Necrogami> grrr !lart dont work
[01:20] <thoreauputic> DJ_Necrogami: erm - please stop abusing the bot
[01:21] <lunitik> rowanjl, ahh... hmm... restarting alsa was supposed to bring that desired effect...
[01:21] <lunitik> rowanjl, you have sound now though?
[01:21] <rowanjl> Yeah, on my disabled soundcard :/
[01:21] <rowanjl> and I don't know where this thrid soundcard fits in :/
[01:22] <lunitik> rowanjl, remember anything of what I just said? if you 'modprobe correctsoundblastermodule', all should be fine...
[01:22] <rowanjl> Perhaps its the soundblaster with the wrong name?
[01:22] <lunitik> rowanjl, it probably is the soundblaster... just being recognized as something else...
[01:22] <rowanjl> I didn't see you say that
[01:22] <lunitik> probably
[01:22] <zho> lunitik : errmm.. how to activate universe?
[01:22] <thoreauputic> !repos
[01:22] <ubotu> repos is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:22] <liraz> thoreauputic, I have quite the linux unfriendly bunch of hardware. Next time I'll take into consideration
[01:23] <thoreauputic> zho: ^^^
[01:23] <lunitik> ~tell thoreauputic about ubuntu
[01:23] <rowanjl> correctsoundblastermodule?
[01:23] <lunitik> thoreauputic, do it that way... wastes less space...
[01:23] <thoreauputic> lunitik: hmm ?
[01:23] <zho> thoreauputic : what is universe? i just know that... sorry.. im beginner..
[01:23] <lunitik> !tell thoreauputic about universe
[01:24] <thoreauputic> lunitik: but this way others see the URL - sometimes helpful to new users
[01:24] <zho> !tell zho about universe
[01:24] <lunitik> thoreauputic, I guess 'ubuntu' isn't a trigger
[01:24] <lunitik> thoreauputic, clutters chat more though too...
[01:24] <rowanjl> How do I set the default soundcard?
[01:25] <lunitik> thoreauputic, and also, look what zho just did... just to disprove that theory (its helpful either way...)
[01:25] <thoreauputic> lunitik: whatever - I do both a t different times
[01:25] <Jemt> rowanjl: You have more than one sound card ?
[01:25] <lunitik> Jemt, yes... a soundblaster... and apparently an on board card
[01:25] <thoreauputic> lunitik: *sigh* Ok I'll learn to suck eggs
[01:25] <rowanjl> Jemt, for some reason the card disabled in my bios is showing up as default in my mixer
[01:25] <lunitik> thoreauputic, teach me when you figure it out  ;)
[01:25] <rowanjl> It just happens that card is a pile of crap
[01:25] <thoreauputic> lunitik: I *am* aware of this you know..
[01:26] <rowanjl> lunitik, what should I have in place of 'correctsoundblastermodule'?
[01:26] <Jemt> rowanjl: Oh, my suggestion was to disable one of them
[01:26] <zho> lunitik : whaaaa.... what is universe..
[01:26] <zho> lunitik : im confused...
[01:26] <rowanjl> Jemt, it is disabled
[01:26] <lunitik> rowanjl, whatever the module is... do a google search for it...
[01:26] <lunitik> zho, don't think... just do.
[01:26] <rowanjl> But its still working :/
[01:27] <lunitik> rowanjl, rmmod crapcard modprobe goodcard
[01:27] <lunitik> rowanjl, rmmod crapcard ; modprobe goodcard
[01:27] <zho> lunitik : how to do it :P
[01:27] <zho> lunitik : i think how to do it..
[01:28] <zho> lunitik : are flashplayer related to RestrictedFormat and universe?
[01:29] <lunitik> zho, it tells you how to do it there... yes
[01:31] <Mobius> last night I flashed my BIOS to update it (on my asus notebook) and now I can't see gdm - i can hear it, and I can see a console if i switch to f1.. any thoughts?
[01:32] <Echelon-H> why's the xfce not upgraded to 4.2.2 yet?
[01:32] <lunitik> Mobius, surely you should be asking ASUS about that?
[01:32] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: because hoary was frozen in March?
[01:32] <topyli> Echelon-H: you haven't packaged it for us yet :)
[01:32] <Echelon-H> topyli, :)
[01:32] <Echelon-H> thoreauputic, is there any chance to see it in breezy?
[01:32] <lunitik> Echelon-H, 4.2.1 is in backports... hoary is frozen
[01:33] <martior> anyone here have experience with large Ubuntu deployments?
[01:33] <Mobius> lunitik - it boots up fine, its just that I can't actually see gdm
[01:33] <lunitik> Echelon-H, yes... its already in Debian
[01:33] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: I don't know - I think crimsun is one of the maintainers, you could ask him if he's around
[01:33] <thoreauputic> aha!
[01:34] <Echelon-H> thoreauputic, ok,. thx
[01:34] <Jemt> martior: Should be quite easy. If the machines are identical you can make an image/ghost of one computer and distribute it to the other computers. By that you have the same configuration on all computers
[01:34] <lunitik> (already in Sid)
[01:35] <zho> hemmm what the diferent universe and multiverse?
[01:35] <zho> what the difference between universe and multiverse..
[01:35] <lunitik> Echelon-H, as you (should) know, breezy is synced with sid until shortly before release, its basically a tried and tested sid with extra features...
[01:35] <thoreauputic> zho: multiverse is "non-free" in the freedom sense
[01:35] <Jemt> zho: They are different. universe and multiverse contains extra software for Ubuntu
[01:36] <Echelon-H> lunitik, sid?
[01:36] <zho> hoo...it similar to testing and stable?
[01:36] <lunitik> thoreauputic, he needs holding hands to add multiverse to apt... care to do that?
[01:36] <lunitik> Echelon-H, Debians development branch
[01:36] <Echelon-H> lunitik, oh.
[01:36] <thoreauputic> lunitik: you mean zho?
[01:36] <wims> how do i check how much diskspace a tree on my disk takes?
[01:36] <topyli> the mighty unstable
[01:36] <zho> zho: They are different. universe and multiverse contains extra software for Ubuntu --> ic :P
[01:37] <snowblink> wims, du -sh ./dir
[01:37] <Jemt> zho: I've been using Universe and Multiverse for quite some time now. Everything seems to be working just fine
[01:37] <lunitik> zho, and just to confuse you... hoary-extra holds more software  ;)
[01:37] <wims> snowblink thanks
[01:37] <thoreauputic> zho: to add multiverse, write the word  multiverse  after universe in those lines in /etc/apt/sources.list (you can add it in synaptic too)
[01:38] <znh> zho: my name looks better :-P j/k
[01:39] <rowanjl> My soundblaster is working now, all I did was reboot... but its odd, there is an OSS mixer and an Alsa mixer for the one card.
[01:40] <lunitik> rowanjl, thats normal... its actually only using ALSA though
[01:40] <thoreauputic> rowanjl: that would be the OSS emulation layer I expect
[01:40] <Jemt> When will the next Ubuntu release be available ?
[01:40] <martior> Jemt: we already do that with debian, but we are looking for something that works better with laptops as well, so we where thinking og apt-get update && apt-get upgrade in cron on all desktops and servers, and ubuntu auto-upgrade on laptops agains our own repos, but  last time we tried apt-get in crons on debian, we had problems with apt asking for input even though we asked it to be quiet
[01:40] <lunitik> rowanjl, legacy crap still requires an OSS interface
[01:40] <rowanjl> I see
[01:40] <snowblink> Jemt, october
[01:41] <lunitik> Jemt, 6 months from the last release
[01:41] <rowanjl> well, I hope it keeps working...
[01:41] <lunitik> !nextrelease is 6 months after the last one, always
[01:41] <ubotu> lunitik: okay
[01:41] <lunitik> !nextrelease
[01:41] <ubotu> rumour has it, nextrelease is 6 months after the last one, always
[01:41] <Jemt> snowblink & lunitik : Sounds great - thanks :)
[01:41] <lunitik> !botsnack
[01:41] <ubotu> :)
[01:42] <Jemt> martior: Oh, ok. Well, don't know if Ubuntu will solve your problem - but it is great for laptops. I'm using it on both my two stationary computers and on my brand new IBM X31 laptop with Centrino technology
[01:43] <Mobius> whats the command to reconfig X?
[01:43] <lunitik> Mobius, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:43] <martior> Jemt: yes, great for laptops, everything worked on the ones I've been testing it on
[01:44] <lunitik> !configx is sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:44] <ubotu> lunitik: okay
[01:44] <Jemt> martior: :)
[01:44] <Frafra> hi all
[01:45] <Frafra> i want make a new mp3 from a fragment of an other mp3, from 1:23 min to 2:00 min
[01:45] <Frafra> how i can do it?
[01:45] <catfox> hi all. i've just got a new laptop, and the font quality on it is poor compared to my old one. theyre fuzzier. is it down to poorer screen quality?
[01:46] <thoreauputic> Frafra: with the audacity editor
[01:46] <bimberi> Frafra: audacity
[01:46] <thoreauputic> Frafra: sudo apt-get install audacity  :)
[01:46] <lunitik> catfox, System > Preferences > Font
[01:46] <lunitik> catfox, see if any of those look better
[01:47] <sijmen> catfox: Is the resolution your native (laptop)  screen resolution?
[01:47] <sijmen> And have you set anti aliasing to sub-pixel?
[01:47] <scanwinder> where can i find a ubuntu repository for Xfce4?
[01:47] <thoreauputic> bimberi: if you're slower than me you're *really* slow ;)
[01:47] <lunitik> catfox, he probably just changed monitor types... hold off on helping him till he checks what I said
[01:47] <lunitik> sijmen, ^^
[01:48] <Jemt> scanwinder: Just use the universe and multiverse
[01:48] <lunitik> scanwinder, its in universe
[01:48] <lunitik> scanwinder, 4.2 is in backports.
[01:48] <bimberi> thoreauputic: :
[01:48] <bimberi> thoreauputic: )
[01:48] <thoreauputic> bimberi: I'm a two-figers head-down man ;-)
[01:48] <thoreauputic> *fingers
[01:48] <thoreauputic> heheh
[01:48] <Jemt> scanwinder: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[01:49] <sijmen> lunitik: Heh, I see now.
[01:49] <catfox> lunitik, i've tried different rendering options, but they're all pretty crap
[01:49] <lunitik> thoreauputic, how dare you make typo's when you're looking right at the keyboard  >:|
[01:49] <lunitik> catfox, meet sijmen
[01:49] <sijmen> catfox: Are you sure the desktop resolution equels your laptop's native screen resolution?
[01:49] <lunitik> :D
[01:49] <lunitik> thoreauputic, ;)
[01:50] <thoreauputic> lunitik: by the way there's no apostrophe in typos ^^^ heheh
[01:50] <sijmen> public void RunAll()
[01:50] <sijmen> oops
[01:50] <elchmartin> hi all
[01:50] <catfox> sijmen, not sure what the native res is. when i open the resolution tool, it says i'm in 1280x1024, which is the only one available
[01:51] <lunitik> thoreauputic, sure there is... you miss charactors... thats what that apostrophy means given the placement
[01:51] <sijmen> catfox: Is there occasionally a letter on the screen which is wider on one place than another?
[01:51] <sijmen> Or an I or l that seems to be 2 pixels in one place and 1 pixel in another?
[01:51] <elchmartin> can any1 pleeze tell me how to install mp3-support in 5.04 (xmms?)
[01:51] <thoreauputic> lunitik: you see it as a contraction of the plural of typographical then? Fair enough - you get pedantry points :)
[01:52] <sijmen> elchmartin: oggenc your mp3s is what I'd say.
[01:52] <catfox> sijmen, fonts seem even to me
[01:52] <elchmartin> lol
[01:52] <sijmen> catfox: In that case, I wouldn't know, sorry.
[01:52] <elchmartin> no way i got like 50GB .......
[01:52] <lunitik> thoreauputic, indeed, thank you  :)
[01:52] <thoreauputic> :)
[01:52] <NicP> sijmen, going from one lossy format to another is a bad idea
[01:52] <sijmen> Oh yes, that's true.
[01:52] <catfox> sijmen, ok thanks anyway
[01:52] <catfox> i'll try playing with the conf
[01:53] <Frafra> audacity, mmm... good
[01:53] <sijmen> Oh catfox
[01:53] <sijmen> Stupid I forgot
[01:53] <Frafra> i've copied the part
[01:53] <sijmen> Try adjusting the DPI under Advanced or something similar (in the font screen)
[01:53] <elchmartin> so can someone tell me howto or not?
[01:53] <Frafra> but i don't know how paste it in a new mp3
[01:54] <thoreauputic> lunitik: does this mean you also spell pianos "piano's" ?
[01:54] <rowanjl> elchmartin, do what?
[01:55] <elchmartin> install mp3-support for ubuntu
[01:55] <goldfish> !restricted
[01:55] <rowanjl> Hmm, OGG?
[01:55] <ubotu> rumour has it, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:55] <goldfish> elchmartin: ^
[01:55] <topyli> elchmartin: for xmms, install xmms-mad. for gstreamer apps, gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:56] <elchmartin> uhu .... like apt-get xmms-mad ?
[01:56] <lunitik> thoreauputic, no... enless I'm saying 'piano is'... which I doubt I'll ever do...
[01:56] <topyli> elchmartin: apt-get install xmms-mad
[01:56] <lunitik> thoreauputic, ' i' (with the space) being the missing letter
[01:56] <znh> configure: error: could not find Python headers
[01:56] <elchmartin> thx a lot
[01:56] <znh> what package provides that?
[01:57] <Frafra> where can i found libmp3lame.so?
[01:57] <thoreauputic> or it was the piano's sound that moved him - for example :)
[01:57] <Jemt> Do anyone know whether a better file manager is being developed for the new Ubuntu release? Or will the Gnome file manager be improved? I find it very irritating that the windows fly randomly around when I open a new folder instead of just opening the content within the active window
[01:57] <lunitik> thoreauputic, no... no apostrophy for plural...
[01:57] <thoreauputic> lunitik: to be consistent you would have to - piano is a contraction of "pianoforte"
[01:57] <rowanjl> Jemt, whats wrong with Nautilus?
[01:57] <Raptoid> selamlar..
[01:58] <lunitik> thoreauputic, ok.. then I guess so... no idea it wasn't just 'piano'...
[01:58] <thoreauputic> lunitik: umm - English major here - that was a possessive
[01:58] <Jemt> rowanjl: Opens a new window and closes the active window
[01:58] <rowanjl> Jemt, perhaps you should turn it into browser mode?
[01:58] <ma3x> how can i find out what driver is my graphic card using ??
[01:58] <ma3x> please anybody answer?
[01:58] <elchmartin> @ topyli: says couldnt find packet xmms-mad
[01:58] <Jemt> rowanjl: Well, I like the "light" version :)
[01:58] <elchmartin> topyli: says couldnt find packet xmms-mad
[01:58] <rowanjl> Jemt, then live with it?
[01:59] <thoreauputic> lunitik: we could take it to #pedantry but we'll leave it now I guess :D
[01:59] <rowanjl> and get onto the gnome people
[01:59] <topyli> elchmartin: ok, you don't have the correct repositories
[01:59] <topyli> !restricted
[01:59] <ubotu> restricted is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:59] <Jemt> rowanjl: I'd rather not. Just want a better version. But I can always make my own in MONO :)
[01:59] <topyli> ^
[01:59] <rowanjl> Jemt, or you could help the gnome people improve their product...
[01:59] <lunitik> thoreauputic, good idea... I ought to be in bed... too much thinking on a dead brain isn't smart  ;)
[01:59] <black_Nightmare> correct me if I'm wrong but could i use the livecd to format a hd to 33+gb fat32?
[01:59] <thoreauputic> lunitik: :)
[02:00] <Jemt> rowanjl: Thought of that. Unfortunately I'm "only" a .NET programmer.
[02:00] <ma3x> how can i find out what driver is my graphic card using ??
[02:00] <Jemt> ma3x: lsmod
[02:00] <rowanjl> Jemt, well, tell them what you'd like
[02:00] <lunitik> black-whisp, sure
[02:00] <sijmen> Jemt: hail to mono ;)
[02:00] <ma3x> thanks Jemt
[02:00] <Jemt> sijmen: Hehe :D
[02:00] <Jemt> ma3x: No problem :)
[02:01] <thoreauputic> black_Nightmare: ugh fat32....
[02:02] <geomer> hi people
[02:02] <geomer> I need to change my MAC address
[02:02] <thoreauputic> is a magdeburger a hamburger with extra magnesium?
[02:02] <tiglionabbit> how do I change my sound set in gaim?
[02:02] <sijmen> thoreauputic: Often there is no other option than Fat32. If you want to use Windows and Linux alongside for example, a fat32 partition is useful for throwing data around from OS to OS.
[02:03] <Frafra> for convert a .wav file into a .amr file?
[02:03] <thoreauputic> sijmen: yes, thanks I know - I still dislike fat32 however :)
[02:04] <sijmen> thoreauputic: Why?
[02:04] <sijmen> It's old and slow yes, but still useful.
[02:04] <thoreauputic> sijmen: fragmentation
[02:04] <elchmartin> probably because FAT sux
[02:04] <geomer> in what init script I must put ifconfig ethx hw ether 00:00...
[02:04] <scanwinder> Xfce installed without a window manager......how do i get it to install with a windows manager?
[02:04] <thoreauputic> scanwinder: install the xfce4 package
[02:04] <tiglionabbit> scanwinder: you mean you got xfce4 off apt?  or installed your own deb?
[02:04] <scanwinder> off apt
[02:04] <lunitik> scanwinder, 'apt-get install xfce4' ... its a meta-package... should install xfdesktop4
[02:04] <thoreauputic> scanwinder: you need xfce4 not xfce
[02:04] <scanwinder> i didnt put the 4
[02:04] <black_Nightmare> umm elchmartin...I never had a problem with fat at all....just the bad 1.4mb disks only sometimes give me troubles :p
[02:05] <black_Nightmare> so anyway think I could use the livecd to format a hd to more than 33gb in fat32?
[02:05] <thoreauputic> scanwinder: right :)
[02:05] <kemik> scanwinder:  you got xserver-xorg installed ?
[02:05] <kemik> oh nvm
[02:05] <thoreauputic> kemik: that's not the problem :)
[02:05] <kemik> thoreauputic:  mmh i just saw what i wrote
[02:05] <fester> hey, just installed the latest version of ubuntu on my lappy but it wont let me set a password for the user account i created
[02:05] <thoreauputic> kemik: :)
[02:05] <kemik> *he wrote
[02:06] <kemik> oh i'm a mess
[02:06] <kemik> trying to get Glade to work.. but it refuses to
[02:06] <Jemt> scanwinder: You need to install these packages to get X and Xfce4 : xserver-xorg, x-window-system, ('gdm' if you want the nice Gnome Logon display), xfce4.
[02:06] <TooSad> hi
[02:07] <lunitik> kemik, issue?
[02:07] <TooSad> Ora dovrete abilitare cio' che segue, dopo aver dato il make menuconfig (o xconfig, o config :P):
[02:07] <TooSad> Bluetooth subsystem support (M)
[02:07] <TooSad> L2CAP protocol support (M)
[02:07] <TooSad> SCO links support (M)
[02:07] <TooSad> RFCOMM protocol support (M)
[02:07] <TooSad> RFCOMM TTU SUPPORT (Y)
[02:07] <TooSad> where can i set it?
[02:07] <thoreauputic> TooSad:  /topic - please don't paste in the channel
[02:07] <TooSad> sorry
[02:07] <black_Nightmare> guess noone got any idea then?
[02:08] <kemik> lunitik:  libglademm.h refers to an include that it doesnt find ie: #include <glade/xml.h> <- i can "hard code" the absolute path with #include "usr/include...." but thats not  a good solution imo
[02:08] <Jemt> scanwinder: Unfortunately xfce don't come with a screensaver deamon. You need to install 'xscreensaver' too. When this is done, make it start with Xfce by performing these steps : 1) 'mkdir ~/Desktop/Autostart'  2) 'touch ~/Desktop/Autostart/xscreenserver'  3) 'echo "xscreensaver -no-splash" > ~/Desktop/Autostart/xscreensaver'  4) 'chmod 755 ~/Desktop/Autostart/xscreensaver' - that should do it :)
[02:09] <kemik> lunitik:  and also im not sure if libglademm requires some extra compiler flags, it complains on "Gnome::" undefined
[02:09] <Jemt> scanwinder: You should perform this screensaver installation as your self - NOT root! :)
[02:09] <Jemt> scanwinder: Well, wrong. You should do the 'apt-get install xscreensaver' as root. But from step 1 and forth you should perform the rest of the installation as your self.
[02:10] <diamond> Hey guys! When I install Ubuntu and complete stage1, it will not go in to stage2 after reboot. Im just standing in bash.  Where to go from there?
[02:10] <kemik> lunitik:  get this error: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/871
[02:11] <bimberi> black_Nightmare: Never done it myself but you should be able to run "mkfs" (or even mkfs.vfat) from the livecd
[02:11] <kemik> black_Nightmare:  you should be able to format a Fat32 larger than 33gb
[02:11] <lunitik> kemik, never seen it before... maybe try again in about 5 hours or so.. more experienced devels might be around that can help...
[02:11] <thoreauputic> diamond: try sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[02:11] <m0rphx> what's the name of the image that gets loaded into memory before the real kernel starts?
[02:11] <black_Nightmare> thanks ;)
[02:11] <kemik> lunitik:  you've used glade / gtkmm?
[02:11] <Jemt> Is it really true that I can take a RPM package (ie for Mandrake), run 'sudo alien package_file.rpm' and by that convert it to a deb package that works on my Ubuntu ??
[02:11] <Jemt> Sounds to good to be true
[02:11] <diamond> ok thoreauputic! So that will get me fired up into stage2?
[02:11] <thoreauputic> m0rphx: initrd ?
[02:12] <thoreauputic> diamond: worth a try :)
[02:12] <seterom21> hello i need help, how can i connect internet with ubuntu with my 56k modem?
[02:12] <seterom21> i dont know the steps good
[02:12] <lunitik> kemik, not gtkmm, but glade (for python tests)
[02:12] <fester> can anyone help me work out why i cant create a user account during setup/
[02:12] <kemik> lunitik:  aight.. well thx anyway :)
[02:12] <m0rphx> thoreauputic: yeah, why do I need that? and how can I build it for my own kernel?
[02:12] <diamond> thoreauputic: ok, otherwise redo stage1?
[02:12] <thoreauputic> seterom21: I used sudo pppconfig
[02:12] <thoreauputic> m0rphx: that I don't know, sorry
[02:12] <seterom21> thoreauputic where i have to use pppconfig, in terminal?
[02:13] <thoreauputic> seterom21: yes
[02:13] <thoreauputic> seterom21:  sudo pppconfig
[02:13] <seterom21> i enter that command and how i tell to install my modem?
[02:13] <thoreauputic> seterom21: then you can use "pon" to connect
[02:13] <thoreauputic> seterom21: it willa sk you questions
[02:13] <thoreauputic> *will ask
[02:14] <lunitik> thoreauputic, tut tut  ;)
[02:14] <seterom21> ok thoreaputic, thanks a lot for your help, i will try that.. :)
[02:14] <thoreauputic> lunitik: I ytep eral oogd :)
[02:14] <lunitik> thoreauputic, permission to inflict pain?
[02:14] <thoreauputic> !lart lunitik
[02:15] <lunitik> haha
[02:15] <lunitik> !lart thoreauputic
[02:15] <thoreauputic> ouch
[02:15] <littleworm> is there a linux version of visual basic?
[02:15] <lunitik> hahaha... mine was worse, I win  8)
[02:15] <thoreauputic> littleworm: no
[02:15] <lunitik> littleworm, yes, gnubasic ...
[02:15] <diamond> Thanks thoreauputic! Gonna try this one out...
[02:15] <diamond> cya guys
[02:15] <littleworm> i mean with the same syntax
[02:16] <thoreauputic> littleworm: there's GAMBAS - Gambas is AlMost BASic
[02:16] <thoreauputic> :)
[02:16] <littleworm> thanks
[02:16] <Arnia> Or you can use VB.NET with MonoBasic
[02:16] <Frafra> how convert a wav into a mp3?
[02:16] <lunitik> littleworm, actually... make that GNU FreeBASIC ... or what thoreauputic said :)
[02:16] <Arnia> (depending on whether you want Classic VB or souped up VB)
[02:17] <rowanjl> VB.NET != Visual Basic
[02:17] <Nameeater> when I try and compile something it says it is missing zlib, which appears to be in /usr/include/linux/zlib.h how can I tell make to find it there?
[02:17] <Arnia> rowanjl: True... but that is why I added the second line :)
[02:17] <rowanjl> Yeah
[02:17] <thoreauputic> Frafra: audacity
[02:17] <littleworm> and what is the app in the left? http://www.gnome-look.org/content/pre2/26050-2.png
[02:17] <Jemt> scanwinder: Was my answer to any use to you ?
[02:17] <Arnia> Glade
[02:17] <lunitik> rowanjl, Arnia appears to have that covered  ;)
[02:18] <Arnia> littleworm: sorry, Glade
[02:18] <sijmen> Oooooooooooooooooh that blended style is so pretty
[02:18] <thoreauputic> Nameeater: you need the -dev package
[02:18] <Frafra> thoreauputic: audacity doesn't found libmp3lame.so
[02:18] <sijmen> Where can I find it?
[02:18] <Frafra> i've libmp3lame.so.0 and libmp3lame.so.0.0.0
[02:18] <Frafra> but doesn't work
[02:18] <littleworm> thanks
[02:18] <Arnia> sijmen: I presume www.gnome-look.org
[02:18] <lunitik> kemik, still around? meed Arnia   :)
[02:18] <thoreauputic> Frafra: install lame from the multiverse repo
[02:18] <persia> Does anyone know how to configure jackd to start with the GNOME session?
[02:18] <lunitik> meet*
[02:18] <sijmen> So are the dropshadows, but composite was a hell last time I tried it.
[02:18] <thoreauputic> Frafra: ah sorry
[02:18] <thoreauputic> I misread
[02:19] <Nameeater> thoreauputic: zlib1g-dev ?
[02:19] <lunitik> persia, System > Preferences > Multimedia Selector
[02:19] <rowanjl> Can anyone access www.pixelcarnage.com?
[02:19] <Arnia> I should be finishing off the websites for three projects atm, but the Durham network has gone down :(
[02:19] <Belutz> err... how to search in man page?
[02:19] <thoreauputic> Nameeater: what are you compiling? Are you sure it isn't in the repos?
[02:19] <thoreauputic> Belutz:  /searchterms
[02:20] <Nameeater> thoreauputic: yes its a MUD codebase
[02:20] <lunitik> rowanjl, no
[02:20] <rowanjl> Oh well
[02:20] <thoreauputic> Nameeater: ah i see
[02:20] <persia> lunitik: Isn't that the gstreamer configuration tool?  Does it autostart services?
[02:20] <thoreauputic> Nameeater:  apt-cache search zlib | grep dev
[02:21] <Belutz> thoreauputic: it doesn't work
[02:21] <Sighkick> Greetings: Just installed Ubuntu and wonder if anyone can direct me how to install a legacy 16bit ISA sound card... I am an XP user till today :)
[02:21] <lunitik> persia, it is... but its how esd is started also...
[02:21] <gilligan_> Sighkick, just plug it in.. chances are good that correct modules will be loaded and you are all set
[02:21] <lunitik> persia, gnome uses gstreamer... when gdm starts, its goes through gstreamer, which calls esd - which then starts, and plays the sound
[02:21] <thoreauputic> Belutz: um - yes it does - type a slash than a search word
[02:21] <lunitik> thus gdm is running from then on...
[02:22] <Sighkick> Hi gilligan_ ... everything worked except the ESS soundcard...
[02:22] <lunitik> persia, change esd to jackd there, and voila  :)
[02:22] <Belutz> thoreauputic: ooh ic... i thougt /searchterms <word>
[02:22] <persia> lunitik: Ah.  I was hoping to use polypaudio-jack for esd stuff, but first I need a session-bound jackd.
[02:22] <Belutz> thoreauputic: thx :)
[02:22] <thoreauputic> Belutz: :) I should have been clearer, sorry
[02:22] <gilligan_> Sighkick, execute 'lspci' in a console and look for the information about your soundcard.. its listed there?
[02:23] <Nameeater> thoreauputic: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/873
[02:23] <sijmen> Haha, Blended is the first theme here that Just WorkedTM
[02:23] <lunitik> persia, principle should still be the same... polypaudio calls jackd, which starts on the request?
[02:23] <Belutz> thoreauputic: how i search the next occurence?
[02:23] <Sighkick> lemme see if I can find my way to console... one mo....& thks for your suggestions.
[02:24] <persia> lunitik: "Failed to construct test pipeline for 'Custom'."  Somehow that doesn't seem right.  Any further suggestions?
[02:24] <lunitik> Belutz, hit enter agian afaik
[02:24] <thoreauputic> Nameeater: well the last one seems the obvious choice, no?
[02:24] <Nameeater> I hope so ;) I asked before and wasn't sure
[02:24] <lunitik> persia, jackd isn't listed in Multimedia System Selector?
[02:25] <lunitik> persia, its not custom... you're using jackd, or should be
[02:25] <fester_> hey can somone help me work out why i cant setup user accounts at setup, i asked before but my computer locked up
[02:26] <lunitik> persia, bah... polypaudio doesn't even have a -jack  :/
[02:26] <J_P> hi all
[02:26] <persia> lunitik: OK, I can do the chaining, but I'm not sure how to set jack-start-server early enough.  Also, no jackd doe not appear directly in Multimedia Systems Selector, although I do have gstreamer0.8-jack installed.
[02:26] <lunitik> persia, polypaudio and jackd provide the same functionality (sound server)
[02:26] <Sighkick> gilligan_, : its been too long since I touched unix... how do I get to a console in ubuntu?
[02:26] <gilligan_> screw polypaudio.. wait for breezy & alsa with dmix
[02:26] <J_P> people, what is package where i install image libs.. I like pngtojpeg, jpegtopnm etc..
[02:27] <gilligan_> Sighkick, Applications->System Tools->Terminal
[02:27] <libertine> hi
[02:27] <persia> gilligan_: You can do dmix in hoary - just look in /usr/share/doc/alsa-utils (or maybe -base)
[02:27] <Sighkick> tu ... brb
[02:27] <sijmen> Sighkick: To add to gilligan_ answer, I'd drag it to the desktop or top screen bar.
[02:28] <lunitik> persia, symlink jack-start-server to /etc/rc2.d with a low enough number...
[02:29] <gilligan_> persia, oh.. well i haven't really tried.. but when I just did some short test i thought the alsa version was just missing the proper plugins etc.. but i'll just wait until breezy is a bit more stable and get it that way.. i've been getting along for so long with this ESD crap.. some more weeks wont matter
[02:29] <persia> lunitik: I want jackd so I can try some of the softsynths that require it, but I'm just in it for fun, and so want polypaudio for the esd compatibility.  I thought there was a jackd plugin for polypaudio.
[02:29] <zho> change keyboard layout on linux like IME on windows?
[02:29] <J_P> anyone know what is package for image libs ?
[02:30] <persia> lunitik: jack-start-server isn't a program, it's an environment variable.
[02:30] <gilligan_> persia, dunno it esd/polypaudio suck as much on x86 as they do on ppc.. but on my powerbook its unstable as hell
[02:30] <zho> howto change keyboard layout on linux like IME on windows?
[02:30] <Sighkick> sijmen, ... will add shortcuts later... gilligan_ ... only my agp video and realtek nic are shown (along with system bridges etc)
[02:30] <persia> zho: In what language do you wish to type?
[02:31] <gilligan_> Sighkick, gah.. i'm stupid.. its an isa card.. no suprise its not listed
[02:31] <zho> hangul..
[02:31] <gilligan_> Sighkick, anyway.. i'm at work.. busy..   --  could someone help Sighkick ?! :)
[02:31] <zho> persia: hangul keyboard layout (korean keyboard)
[02:31] <Sighkick> no comment *grin*...
[02:32] <Sighkick> no worries gilligan_ .. I can leave it till tomorrow, its already 00:31 here in NZ...
[02:32] <persia> zho: Try sudo aptitude install imhangul imhangul-status-applet
[02:32] <Sighkick> if all else fails I can find a PCI card... its just that I like to get old stuff working...
[02:32] <zho> persia: thx.. i'll try to do it.
[02:32] <lunitik> persia, no, doesn't appear to have a jackd plugin...
[02:33] <lunitik> persia, just esound for compatibility it seems....
[02:33] <persia> lunitik: I was convinced before, but looking again now, after yo mention it, I admit I can't find my reference...  Thanks anyway,
[02:34] <Sighkick> anyone else expert in helping me install a legacy ISA sound card?
[02:35] <persia> Sighkick: You'll probably do best to look at http://www.alsa-project.org/ and see if you can find the right module arguments for your card.
[02:36] <Sighkick> persia : ok, writing down that url....tu
[02:38] <Sighkick> persia: if & when I get it sorted, is this the sort of info that hardware compatibility notification is interested in?
[02:38] <Jemt> I want to mount my Windows partition (dual boot) and make it available to all my users. Will this line in fstab do the trick? :  /dev/hdaX  /media/hdd  nts  user  0 2
[02:39] <persia> Sighkick: I would guess so, but I'm not someone with an official opinion.
[02:39] <njan> Jemt, user lets any user mount it
[02:39] <njan> Jemt, if you just want to let users read/write to it whilst having it mounted at startup, umask=0
[02:40] <Sighkick> ok.... I am going to check out that website and probably call it quits for today (00:40 NZ).... nite and thanks persia and gilligan_
[02:40] <Jemt> njan: umask=0 ? Where ?
[02:40] <njan> Jemt, in the options column
[02:40] <thoreauputic> !mountwindows
[02:40] <ubotu> it has been said that mountwindows is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[02:41] <njan> /dev/hdaX               /mnt/winnt              ntfs    umask=0,ro      0 0
[02:41] <njan> something like that, for instance.
[02:41] <njan> Jemt, except you'll want 'auto' in there too
[02:41] <Sighkick> Nite
[02:41] <Echelon-H> can i place any icones or shortcuts on my desktop on xfce?
[02:42] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: not as far as I know
[02:42] <pvanhoof> there's a new series of xfont related packages in my upgrade queue
[02:42] <pvanhoof> do they mean that mkfontdir is now installed?
[02:42] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: you can add them to the dock thingy though
[02:43] <Jemt> njan: What do 'auto' do ? Auto mount ?
[02:43] <thoreauputic> pvanhoof: breezy?
[02:43] <pvanhoof> yes
[02:43] <njan> Jemt, indeed
[02:43] <pvanhoof> breesie intieet :)
[02:43] <thoreauputic> pvanhoof: ah, well enjoy yourself ;) I'm sticking with hoary for a while
[02:44] <pvanhoof> thoreauputic, I managed to fix my breezy. But I'd prefer breezy not to start fooling around with the fix OR have the packaged fully worked before upgrading :)
[02:44] <pvanhoof> So I wonder whether or not to apply the upgrades
[02:44] <njan> Jemt, at the CLI, type 'man mount', and when that's loaded type '/-o mount' and hit enter
[02:44] <pvanhoof> :p
[02:44] <pvanhoof> s/worked/working
[02:44] <njan> Jemt, those are all for the mount command, but they (I think) all work in the options field for fstab.
[02:45] <thoreauputic> pvanhoof: why not use the -d switch to apt-get to just download the packages?
[02:45] <pvanhoof> and install the new ones manually?
[02:45] <Jemt> thanks, njan
[02:45] <njan> Jemt, yvw
[02:45] <pvanhoof> bah .. nah, I'll just wait for the x11 guys to fix the environment on breesiee
[02:45] <thoreauputic> pvanhoof: *shrug* at least you could look at the packages
[02:45] <njan> Jemt, man is really useful for stuff like this 0:)
[02:45] <pvanhoof> true
[02:45] <pvanhoof> can I get a list of files in a dpkg file?
[02:46] <Jemt> btw - it is "dangerous" to check a windows disk in Linux? <pass> = 2
[02:46] <njan> Jemt, plus, if you read man and figure it out rather than just letting a website tell you what options to use, you do things in the way you want and you learn something ;)
[02:46] <thoreauputic> pvanhoof:  dpkg -L <packagename>
[02:46] <njan> Jemt, I wouldn't do it.
[02:46] <thoreauputic> pvanhoof: what are you doing messing with breezy without knowing that? :)
[02:46] <njan> Jemt, I don't think linux will check fat32, and linux basically only has read support for ntfs, so I don't know how it would anyway
[02:46] <Jemt> njan: Oh, yeah - thanks
[02:47] <njan> Jemt, but I'm not authoritative on that, I don't really ever try doing crazy cross-platform stuff like that 0:)
[02:47] <pvanhoof> thoreauputic, bleh. I've been using many package systems etcetera. I don't remember every switch of all of them :)
[02:47] <pvanhoof> thoreauputic, and asking here was the simple solution .. making you guys find it out for me ! :D
[02:47] <pvanhoof> love you guys
[02:47] <pvanhoof> :p
[02:47] <thoreauputic> pvanhoof: *cough* that one is pretty basic
[02:48] <seterom21> thoreauputic i did what you told me... do i need to install a driver for my 56k modem to work?
[02:48] <zyga> hellol
[02:48] <zyga> I'm about to buy a wifi pci card, any recommendations?
[02:48] <thoreauputic> seterom21: is it an internal modem? If it is an external serial modem , then no
[02:48] <zyga> (mainly used to link laptop to home server and/or to psp
[02:48] <seterom21> its an internal modem
[02:48] <seterom21> and it looks it doesnt detect it
[02:48] <thoreauputic> seterom21: if it's a crappy winmodem you may be out of luck
[02:49] <seterom21> yes... its a modem i use on windows
[02:49] <thoreauputic> seterom21:  linmodems.org
[02:49] <seterom21> ok... i will try to find a driver now there...
[02:49] <lunitik> seterom21, that doesn't actually make it a winmodem  ;)
[02:49] <seterom21> sorry im new at this.. whats what you call a winmodem?
[02:50] <ghais> hello everyone, i have a slight problem, everytime i run apt-get install or apt-get update i get the following error: E: Problem executing scripts DPkg::Post-Invoke 'dzhandle restart-pending-instances'
[02:50] <lunitik> seterom21, a winmodem is a dummy device basically, requirering a driver to be fuctional... it has no instructions of its own...
[02:50] <lunitik> (in most cases, hardware at least knows a little about itself)
[02:50] <thoreauputic> seterom21: the important point is whather it's a real hardware modem - winmodems are brain-dead things that need windows software to do anything
[02:50] <seterom21> yes... i came preinstalled so i think thats the case
[02:50] <persia> lunitik: Yeah, that's what brought me here :)
[02:51] <thoreauputic> seterom21: some winmodems have linux drivers available - but often they are an absolute pain to get working
[02:52] <topyli> seterom21: a preinstalled, internal modem on a windows box is almost certainly not a real modem
[02:52] <seterom21> i went yesterday to manufacturer website and they didnt have linux driver... only for windows...
[02:52] <f_newton> anyone here know why when I installed ubuntu I didnt get asked for a root password and now I cant seem to get into su -?
[02:52] <sijmen> f_newton: You don't have the root password.
[02:52] <lunitik> f_newton, sudo someshit
[02:52] <thoreauputic> seterom21: do yourself a favour and buy a second hand serial external modem
[02:52] <sijmen> That password was the pass for the normal user. Thus indeed, sudo someshit
[02:52] <f_newton> excuse me ?
[02:53] <f_newton> I want to log in as root
[02:53] <thoreauputic> f_newton:  sudo <command>
[02:53] <f_newton> to do maint on my install
[02:53] <paulproteus> f_newton: !root
[02:53] <seterom21> it would be good...
[02:53] <thoreauputic> !root
[02:53] <lunitik> f_newton, sudo su - if you must
[02:53] <ubotu> root is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[02:53] <seterom21> i will try this before...
[02:53] <lunitik> f_newton, or sudo -i
[02:53] <paulproteus> f_newton: Read that wiki page.
[02:53] <f_newton> you arent listening I guess...
[02:53] <f_newton> there must be a root acct with a password
[02:53] <thoreauputic> f_newton: *cough*
[02:53] <seterom21> i will install adsl soon so... it will help.. but i have installed ubuntu yesterday and i would love to get it connected to internet
[02:53] <lunitik> I helped write that page  8)
[02:53] <thoreauputic> read the page
[02:54] <f_newton> if this has a community root password then I am gonna toss it in the trash
[02:54] <thoreauputic> f_newton: READ THE PAGE
[02:54] <goldfish> f_newton: It doesn't.
[02:54] <thoreauputic> sorry
[02:54] <topyli> f_newton: you never need to be root, and thus ubuntu has root logins desabled
[02:55] <thoreauputic> *sigh*
[02:55] <Jemt> Is there some way I can allow a specific user to access /media/hdd? I only want this user to have access to the folder
[02:55] <Nermal> chown ?
[02:57] <Jemt> Thanks, nermal
[02:58] <f_newton> lol that is ridiculous
[02:58] <WildMagic> hey guys, i am using hoary and my entire sound setup sucks...i'd like to use ALSA..i apt-get'ed all the alsa* things that apt-cache search threw up, then did /etc/init.d/alsa start. then I pointed xmms output pluging to ALSA, but it says "no alsa device present" am I missing anything?
[02:58] <f_newton> but thanks for the info
[02:59] <f_newton> I appreciate it
[02:59] <topyli> Jemt: chown it to the user, then chmod so that only the owner has execute permissions
[03:00] <moogman> WildMagic: You may have to go into the ALSA config in xmms and select your soundcard, rahter than on "default"
[03:00] <persia> WildMagic: Does `cat /proc/asound/cards` produce anything useful?
[03:02] <Jemt> Hm, why can't I access my mounted Windows partition in the first place? I can mount it as my self (not root). But I can't access the folder. I have 'chmod 777'ed the folder as root
[03:03] <goldfish> Jemt: you need to mount it with umask=000
[03:03] <stjepan> heya
[03:03] <stjepan> does ubuntu have RPM?
[03:03] <paulproteus> !alien
[03:03] <goldfish> stjepan: no.
[03:03] <Jemt> What exactly is umask ?
[03:03] <ubotu> methinks alien is a program to convert RPMs to DEBs. Can give problems. Website: http://www.kitenet.net/programs/alien/
[03:03] <Jemt> goldfish:  What exactly is umask ?
[03:03] <goldfish> Jemt: man umask :)
[03:04] <paulproteus> stjepan: You're best off just installing deb packages rather than RPMs.
[03:04] <paulproteus> !umask
[03:04] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, paulproteus
[03:04] <stjepan> can I get with ubuntu fresh system, like Gentoo or Red Hat?
[03:05] <Jemt> goldfish: I don't have a manual for umask
[03:05] <topyli> stjepan: define fresh :)
[03:05] <goldfish> Jemt: hmmmmm, ok.
[03:05] <stjepan> hm
[03:05] <stjepan> look
[03:05] <stjepan> Gentoo is not based on versions
[03:05] <co-seep> how can sharing printer linux to windows
[03:05] <paulproteus> stjepan: "fresh system"?
[03:06] <stjepan> you can install old version I get the newest system
[03:06] <goldfish> Jemt: it sets permissions on newly created files/folders.
[03:06] <stjepan> Gentoo is not based on versions
[03:06] <thoreauputic> Jemt: it's a bash built-in -  "help umask" will give a summary of options
[03:06] <stjepan> can Ubuntu do that?
[03:06] <persia> jemt: umask is a 3 digit octal representation of the permission bits that should not be set.
[03:06] <Jemt> Thanks
[03:06] <Jemt> Oh, ic
[03:06] <lesshaste> anyone using colony 2?
[03:06] <stjepan> btw, sorry, I speak a very little english
[03:06] <moogman> You can update by using the Update Manager
[03:06] <co-seep> how can sharing printer linux to windows help me
[03:06] <topyli> stjepan: you can upgrade it forever like debian, if that's what you mean. you never reinstall
[03:07] <moogman> stjepan: Click the System menu->Administration->Update Manager
[03:07] <paulproteus> http://libranet.com/support/db/2.8/sharingcups
[03:07] <paulproteus> co-seep: That's for you.
[03:08] <stjepan> topyli: tnx, that's it
[03:08] <stjepan> I mean no reinstallation
[03:08] <WildMagic> persia, cat /proc/asound/cards shows my nForce sound chip and the brooktree BT878 chip in my tv tuner card
[03:09] <zho> test
[03:09] <persia> WildMagic: Aha!  Is your NForce chip #0, or is the bt878?
[03:09] <thoreauputic> zho: no, you don't exist ;-)
[03:09] <WildMagic> persia, 0 is nForce
[03:10] <Jemt> Last thing : How do i create a global command called 'll' that does the same as 'll' on other systems (ls -l -many-more)
[03:10] <m0rphx> what are all those packages ending with *c2 about?
[03:10] <thoreauputic> Jemt: make an alias for it in ~/.bashrc
[03:10] <gilligan_> Jemt, set an alias in your bashc
[03:10] <persia> WildMagic: OK.  You appear to have an ALSA driver installed.  Is the NForce also labeled default?
[03:10] <sijmen> How can I use another 'init' executable at boot? What kernel argument is it?
[03:10] <Jemt> Thanks, thoreauputic . I'll that it out :)
[03:10] <stjepan> where is grub's config file?
[03:10] <sijmen> stjepan: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:10] <topyli> stjepan: the upgrade tends to work on debian-based systems too
[03:11] <topyli> stjepan: my RH and Mandrake boxes were always a mess after upgrade
[03:11] <WildMagic> persia, none of 'em is labelled default
[03:11] <wims> I have a really strange problem, some times my network card isn't activated on boot, i need to deactivate and activate it from the System->Administration->Networking dialog. I'm using onboard network, my mobo is based on the nForce 3 250GB chip. Does anybody know why this happens ?
[03:11] <Jemt> thoreauputic & gilligan_ : Do I need to restart something? Dosn't seem to be working
[03:12] <Jemt> thoreauputic & gilligan_ : I added: 'alias ll='ls -l'
[03:12] <thoreauputic> Jemt:  source .bashrc or opena new terminal
[03:12] <Jemt> Oh, yeah. Thanks :)
[03:12] <Jemt> Bye for now. Thanks again  :)
[03:13] <persia> WildMagic: If nothing is labeled default, then you may have to configure your output to use a specific sound card.
[03:13] <WildMagic> persia, oh..how do i do that?
[03:13] <moogman> WildMagic: Read what I said
[03:13] <co-seep>  http://cupsservername:631 <<<why port to linux 631
[03:14] <WildMagic> moogman, okay
[03:14] <paulproteus> co-seep: That's where the CUPS server serves printers from.
[03:14] <co-seep> ooouw
[03:14] <poningru> anyone know what download manager they use?
[03:15] <thoreauputic> poningru: ?
[03:15] <reka> poningru: who?
[03:15] <topyli> heh. i know what i use all right :)
[03:15] <poningru> err
[03:15] <poningru> sorry
[03:15] <thoreauputic> poningru: there are several download managers - wget , d4x , curl ...
[03:15] <poningru> what download manager do you guys use?
[03:15] <reka> lol
[03:15] <thoreauputic> wget
[03:15] <poningru> hmm anything thats not a cli?
[03:16] <reka> gwget2 :)
[03:16] <topyli> d4x
[03:16] <thoreauputic> d4x
[03:16] <poningru> or does that come in gui?
[03:16] <poningru> oh
[03:16] <thoreauputic> downloader 4 X
[03:16] <co-seep> why linux ubuntu can't open web cam for yahoo messenger
[03:16] <thoreauputic> the package name is d4x
[03:17] <poningru> hmm ok thanks guys
[03:17] <poningru> since it is supported by flashgot
[03:18] <poningru> hehe thats the reason why I am trying out download managers
[03:18] <topyli> poningru: for web sites, httrack is really sweet
[03:19] <poningru> hmm ok
[03:19] <poningru> co-seep: look into this
[03:19] <poningru> http://gaim-vv.sourceforge.net/
[03:19] <thoreauputic> $ apt-cache search gwget2
[03:19] <thoreauputic> gwget2 - GNOME 2 wget front-end  << looks interesting
[03:19] <poningru> it has yahoo vid recieve but no send yet
[03:19] <thoreauputic> reka: credit to you :)
[03:19] <topyli> poningru: well it's not all that sweet, but works :)
[03:19] <wims> I have a really strange problem, some times my network card isn't activated on boot, i need to deactivate and activate it from the System->Administration->Networking dialog. I'm using onboard network, my mobo is based on the nForce 3 250GB chip. Does anybody know why this happens ?
[03:19] <WildMagic> moogman, now xmms plays the music, but there is no sound...as if everything is muted
[03:19] <poningru> ooh d4x does have recursive
[03:20] <moogman> WildMagic: OPen your volume control (by the clock in the top-right)
[03:20] <thoreauputic> reka: is gwget2 a nice front end?
[03:20] <moogman> And unmute both your main volume and PCM, and raise the volumes to about 80-90%
[03:20] <moogman> (Any more and you may get crackling)
[03:20] <reka> thoreauputic: i haven't really tested it out with complicated stuff...i.e. not sure you can do all the advanced stuff you can do via cli
[03:20] <WildMagic> moogman, it is set to peak volume
[03:20] <thoreauputic> reka: thanks :)
[03:21] <moogman> WildMagic: Did you right-click and "Open Volume Control"?
[03:21] <WildMagic> moogman, yep. and i get only PCM and speaker
[03:21] <WildMagic> moogman, both of them are about 80 %
[03:21] <RichB_> What part of Breezy boot runs startx/xinit?
[03:21] <reka> thoreauputic: that's a rare occurrence...getting a cli user to try a gui frontend. :)
[03:21] <moogman> Ah
[03:22] <moogman> File->Change device
[03:22] <thoreauputic> reka: hahah - curious
[03:22] <moogman> Is there one corresponding to your sound card and "(Alsa)" at the end of it?
[03:23] <WildMagic> moogman, there is one NVidia nForce (Alsa Mixer) there
[03:23] <thoreauputic> reka: hmm - at first glance it looks *extremely* basic
[03:23] <WildMagic> moogman, selecting which givems me a Master, a PCM and a Speaker, all of which are set to max
[03:23] <moogman> Hmm. Have you tried restarting xmms?
[03:24] <WildMagic> moogman, hang on
[03:24] <reka> thoreauputic: hehe...i'm not that great at wget...which is why i went for that app.  so can it do what you normally do via cli?
[03:24] <WildMagic> moogman, yeah...but it does not help..however, I am using GNOME and it makes all those funny noises when i minimise/maximise a window
[03:24] <WildMagic> moogman, should I try rebooting ;-) ?
[03:24] <thoreauputic> reka: not as far as I can see - it seems to do very little
[03:25] <stjepan> I have to go
[03:25] <stjepan> see you
[03:25] <thoreauputic> reka: I think I'll stick to wget
[03:25] <stjepan> cya
[03:25] <moogman> WildMagic: Did hoary not automatically use ALSA instead of OSS?
[03:26] <WildMagic> moogman, nope...i don't think so
[03:26] <reka> thoreauputic: understandable. :)  for a quick recursive download though, which is what i usually do...it's good enough.
[03:26] <WildMagic> moogman, actually, I am not sure what it did.  Iam not an expert about thises things
[03:26] <thoreauputic> reka: mind you it's only ~50 kilobytes or something so I won't bother clobbering the package yet ;)
[03:26] <WildMagic> moogman, but i di know that there wasn;t even an /etc/asound
[03:26] <WildMagic> moogman, i had to do that manually from some wiki i saw on the net
[03:27] <reka> WildMagic: xmms problems?  have you tried changing the output plugin yet?
[03:27] <acid2> Hey all, whats options do I use in my fstab for mounting ntfs?
[03:27] <thoreauputic> !mountwindows
[03:27] <ubotu> well, mountwindows is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[03:27] <acid2> ta
[03:27] <WildMagic> reka, yeah...i am using the ALSA plugin
[03:27] <DeMi> hhe
[03:28] <WildMagic> reka, moogman : when i used the esound plugin on xmms, it works, but xmms just hangs if i try to close it
[03:29] <poningru> waoh
[03:29] <poningru> anyone notice the change on planet ubuntu?
[03:29] <kostkon> ponigru: change?
[03:30] <reka> WildMagic: if you're using alsa, you could try this:    apps > sound/video > volume control > file > change device > choose the ALSA one
[03:30] <poningru> kostkon: look at stephans blog
[03:31] <reka> actually...i'm not sure if that actually changes it, or just shows the ALSA device's volumes.
[03:31] <poningru> look at his recent blog and what planet shows as his recent blog
[03:31] <WildMagic> reka, been there...done that..that is what moogman told me
[03:31] <poningru> s/recent/most recent
[03:31] <kostkon> poningru: ok, i'll check now
[03:31] <poningru> see it was on the planet
[03:32] <poningru> but someone took it out
[03:32] <WildMagic> sigh...i thin i'll reboot
[03:34] <kostkon> poningru: hahahaha, now i understood!!
[03:34] <kostkon> poningru: the cisco exploits
[03:34] <poningru> yeah
[03:34] <poningru> submitting to /.
[03:34] <kostkon> poningru: nice move, do it, it's funny
[03:38] <Zeroblitzt> What do I do with this .deb file I just downloaded
[03:38] <Zeroblitzt> I downloaded Rosegarden in .deb format and I want to install it
[03:38] <Zeroblitzt> Not sure how..
[03:38] <Nermal> dpkg -i ?
[03:38] <kostkon> Zeroblitzt: dpkg -i xxx.deb
[03:39] <Zeroblitzt> OK, thanks both of you
[03:39] <kostkon> Zeroblitzt: like Nermal said
[03:39] <reka> Zeroblitzt: why are you doing it that way?
[03:39] <Zeroblitzt> beats me
[03:39] <reka> Zeroblitzt: it's in the repo
[03:40] <Zeroblitzt> Whenever I try to get it through apt-get i get an error
[03:40] <Zeroblitzt> E: Couldn't find package
[03:40] <reka> !repos
[03:40] <ubotu> somebody said repos was at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[03:40] <reka> it's in universe
[03:41] <reka> Zeroblitzt: tip: avoid manually installing....you will usually run into dependency problems.  apt-get/synaptic will take care of them for you
[03:41] <Raskall> does anyone have a good pointer for where I can find a way to get X running on a Acer Ferrarri 400 laptop? (X700 graphics card and lcd capable of 1680x1050).
[03:41] <Zeroblitzt> cool, thanks
[03:41] <Raskall> My google-finger is sore after googling for the solution now.
[03:42] <reka> Raskall: what problems are you having?
[03:42] <lpk> What webcam would be good with ubuntu?
[03:42] <Raskall> reka: the screen just go blank (black, that is) when it tries to start X. Just like it swithes of the screen.
[03:42] <Nermal> lpk, look on linux-usb.org
[03:43] <lpk> ty
[03:43] <reka> Raskall: try this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:44] <Raskall> reka: will forward it to the problem user.. :) thanx.
[03:44] <f_newton> ok well... so far Ive had a few minor app crashes (including the bug reporting tool) but all in all for a relatively new os this seems pretty good. I am not convinced about the root acct story.  Also, the fonts are a bit lame... kind of like old mdk fonts
[03:45] <f_newton> I am very pleased that it is a debian spin off.
[03:45] <lesshaste> hi... anyone tried the "ATI Proprietary Linux x86_64 Driver 8.13.4 for Radeon Xpress 200 Series" drivers?
[03:45] <f_newton> I know this infor wasnt solicited, but i wanted to give y'all my first impressions
[03:46] <f_newton> lesshaste is there one for the 200?
[03:46] <lesshaste> f_newton, that's it isn't it?
[03:48] <f_newton> I didnt know there was a module in any of the distros for that... but I am not sure... I think there is one for the 300
[03:48] <f_newton> did it work lesshaste?
[03:48] <lesshaste> f_newton, I haven't had a chance to try it yet. I can't quite work out the difference between
[03:48] <lesshaste> ATI Proprietary Linux x86_64 Driver 8.13.4 for Radeon Xpress 200 Series
[03:48] <lesshaste> and
[03:48] <lesshaste> ATI Proprietary Linux x86_64 Driver for XFree86 / X.Org Version 8.14.13
[03:49] <lesshaste> does this really mean tha the later version has no support for xpress 200?
[03:49] <f_newton> heck I dont know... I was listening to the big discussion in fedora the other day
[03:49] <lesshaste> oh yes
[03:49] <lesshaste> where is that?
[03:49] <lesshaste> on IRC or a URL?
[03:50] <f_newton> irc lesshaste youve been a regular there for a long time
[03:50] <lesshaste> f_newton, yes but I didn't see the conversion
[03:50] <f_newton> ah...
[03:50] <WildMagic> moogman, hey, i got sound in xmms using alsa now..but when i load any flash file using firefox, i still don't get sound...how do i tackle that?
[03:51] <moogman> WildMagic: System->Preferences->Multimedia Selector may help
[03:52] <WildMagic> moogman, okay
[03:53] <armin> hi... can anyone guide me through how to get my sound working, whenever i start kubuntu or knoppix the mixer cannot be found
[03:58] <elwood> hi
[03:58] <elwood> there is a how-to about compiling kernel with ubuntu?
[03:59] <topyli> use debian docs
[03:59] <catfox> anyone here managed to get the synaptics touchpad working on a dell inspiron 510m laptop?
[04:08] <RichB_> Aha - gdm was missing
[04:12] <lAtRoN> hello
[04:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[04:13] <firestorm> Hi. I can't seem to find bladeenc in ubuntu repositories. Any hints?
[04:13] <lAtRoN> i've installed skype but when i write skype --> skype: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[04:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> firestorm: what is it?
[04:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> lAtRoN: make sure you have all the dependancies
[04:14] <lAtRoN> do i need install libqt-mt.so.3 ????
[04:14] <lAtRoN> why?
[04:15] <firestorm> Kamping_Kaiser: mp3 encoder
[04:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> firestorm: i don't have it in my repostires
[04:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> but I'm not sure if i have them all on
[04:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> lAtRoN: you may need to. IIRC some strange stuff can happen with skype
[04:16] <firestorm> Kamping_Kaiser: ok thanks anyway :)
[04:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry firestorm, try finding  deb
[04:16] <elwood> what about initrd?
[04:16] <elwood> !tell initrd
[04:16] <firestorm> Kamping_Kaiser: will do..
[04:18] <lAtRoN> i did apt-cache search libqt and i did then apt-get install  stuff can happen with s
[04:18] <lAtRoN> but it says i have the most recent version
[04:18] <kemik> lAtRoN:  i just installed skype without problems.. you got the .deb package?
[04:19] <lAtRoN> yes
[04:19] <kemik> lAtRoN:  running hoary ?
[04:19] <lAtRoN> getskype-linux-deb
[04:19] <kemik> no
[04:19] <lAtRoN> yes
[04:19] <kemik> skype_1.2.0.11-1_i386.deb
[04:19] <kemik> www.skype.com -> download
[04:20] <lAtRoN> thanks
[04:21] <scanwinder> when i goto open xfce, i get the following error
[04:21] <scanwinder> Warning: font renderer for ".pcf" already registered at priority 0
[04:22] <scanwinder> and not just for ".pcf" for a whole lot of other ones aswell
[04:22] <scanwinder> anyone know howto fix that?
[04:24] <kemik> scanwinder:  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg perhaps...
[04:25] <covux> hi. is there a ubunutu package for measuring inet traffic while surfing/leeching for traffic-limited inetaccess?
[04:26] <melodie> hello, I'd need to know if a package that was in Warty is still available for Warty under the same name and repository plse  :)
[04:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> melodie: probably
[04:26] <melodie> I talk about quicktime, the Firefox plugin, but it could be anything else
[04:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> covux: not sure i get what you mean?
[04:27] <melodie> Hello Kamping_Kaiser :)
[04:27] <elwood> some one can do a "locate readline.h" for me?
[04:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi :)
[04:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> elwood: 2 hits
[04:27] <melodie> I check some names
[04:27] <elwood> where?  i miss this files
[04:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> both in the doco section
[04:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> elwood: where does it ask for it?
[04:28] <elwood> Kamping_Kaiser, compiling pam_usb
[04:28] <_simon> Hello. I have just installed kubuntu, but Iam have a problem with my graphic/screen. Iam running 1024x768 but only 60hz, and I know my screen can run 85hz. How do I fix this? Quick please, because my head is going crazy of that low hz :/
[04:28] <melodie> I see it says mozilla-mplayer has to be installed
[04:28] <zAo^> lo all
[04:29] <kemik> covux:  iptraf, ethereal (maybe), bmon
[04:29] <kemik> etc...
[04:29] <melodie> but it's not in Hoary, and I don't know where, I have looked in Mozilla website and mostly everywhere
[04:29] <covux> Kamping_Kaiser: there are internet-providers which offer contracts like "get 1 gb traffic a month for free and every mb traffic more you will pay for (MUCH)" so i need a programm that shows me when the 1gb traffic is reached
[04:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> _simon: use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:29] <covux> kemik: thanks
[04:30] <HiddenWolf> Is Breezy's X still broken?
[04:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> elwood: is this the package you need?
[04:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> libterm-readline-GNU-perl
[04:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> HiddenWolf: yes, fairly
[04:30] <HiddenWolf> Sigh, should be fixed. *grumble*
[04:31] <melodie> About the Warty packages where could I have a sure answer plse ?
[04:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> _simon: need a hand with dpkg-reconfigure?
[04:31] <elwood> Kamping_Kaiser, i am installing it to see
[04:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> melodie: try enableing backports
[04:31] <scanwinder> kemik: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg didnt help
[04:31] <zAo^> is Xorg 6.8.2-43 stable?
[04:32] <melodie> I have backports-mirrormax enabled, not the new, as
[04:32] <_simon> Kamping_Kaiser: Iam finish with dpkg-reconfigure in a minute I think..but last time I installed Linux I also had problems with my screen but I got it to run 75hz.. :/ 2.sec..
[04:32] <kemik> scanwinder:  installed x-window-system-core ?
[04:32] <melodie> when I enabled it Synaptic went crazy
[04:33] <melodie> anyhow I'm looking for the info for Warty, and I'm under Hoary
[04:33] <elwood> Kamping_Kaiser, #include <readline/readline.h>
[04:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> melodie: it hits/ignores everything and then dls them anyway
[04:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> elwood: I'm not a programmer
[04:33] <_simon> Kamping_Kaiser: In dpkg-reconfigure I can now chosse between screen resoultions but only up to 1024x768 @ 75?
[04:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> _simon: where are you up to? the bit where you choose simple-normal-advanced for resolution changing?
[04:35] <_simon> Kamping_Kaiser: Yes..simple, medium, advanced - I choosed "medium" and now I have choosed 1024x768@75hz..
[04:35] <melodie> I give it up: nobody uses Warty anymore probably
[04:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> melodie: yes, not many people do
[04:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> plenty of talk about it at the forums and ubuntuguide.org though
[04:36] <scanwinder> kemik: xwindow system is working.....but just not with xfce
[04:36] <_simon> Kamping_Kaiser: Iam in need to go now(meeting..), but I will come back again..
[04:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> _simon: ok
[04:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> i might be in bed when you get back ;)
[04:36] <HiddenWolf> Lots of people use warty still
[04:37] <infinito> is anyone having problems with security repositories?
[04:37] <tombs> hi ppl
[04:37] <_simon> ;)
[04:37] <HiddenWolf> infinito: just upgraded without a hitch
[04:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> infinito: which repositries?
[04:38] <infinito> Kamping_Kaiser, security ones
[04:38] <infinito> Kamping_Kaiser, apt cries about MD5 sum is different
[04:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> the masters? or an ISP/local mirror?
[04:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> I'm just running update now to test, and i came out fine
[04:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> try running apt-get update again and see if it goes away
[04:39] <infinito> Kamping_Kaiser, i tried updating several times
[04:39] <infinito> and dosnet work
[04:39] <InitMass> is there an administration interface for the printer setup?
[04:39] <melodie> do someone here use Warty, and could tell me if the mozilla-mplayer package is available for him ?
[04:39] <kemik> scanwinder:  xfce or xfce4 ?
[04:39] <InitMass> melodie, yes i think it is
[04:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> InitMass: system -> printing
[04:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> cups has been turned off
[04:40] <jessid> some of you know how can i fix this error?: Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
[04:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> *cups web interface
[04:40] <InitMass> Kamping_Kaiser, i'm not using gnome
[04:40] <elwood> found it
[04:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> then try #Kubuntu
[04:40] <infinito> Kamping_Kaiser: apt says: "Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-security/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz  MD5Sum mismatch"
[04:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> jessid: when do you get that error?
[04:41] <InitMass> Kamping_Kaiser, what's the interface called in the terminal?
[04:41] <scanwinder> kemik: xfce4
[04:41] <windex> Kamping_Kaiser, it's a mysql thing i think.
[04:41] <nickrud> melodie, yes, it is, according to packages.ubuntu.com
[04:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> InitMass: i don't know
[04:41] <kemik> scanwinder:  weird. i had no problems installing xfce4...
[04:41] <melodie> nickrud: thanks, I look
[04:42] <melodie> but I'd have liked someone to confirm
[04:42] <jessid> Kamping_Kaiser: every time i write mysql in a console
[04:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> jessid: i cant help sorry
[04:43] <jessid> w
[04:43] <InitMass> Kamping_Kaiser, gnome-cups-manager it's called
[04:43] <jessid> Kamping_Kaiser: thanks
[04:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> tahnks InitMass
[04:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> *thanks
[04:44] <InitMass> Kamping_Kaiser, np
[04:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[04:48] <dimitris> I was looking at threads in the ubuntu forums and i found that many have problems with fonts and gtk1 appls after updating their distro.
[04:48] <El_ReTardo> does installation of ubuntu require HDD formating or does it affect my winxp(pro) somehow when installed on same HDD
[04:48] <dimitris> Any ideas if the bug will be fixed with the next release of ubuntu?
[04:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> El_ReTardo: you will need to make about 2.1g for Ubuntu
[04:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> so you will be that much space worse off as far as xp goes
[04:50] <iamchaos> I am having a problem installing the amd64 version of ubuntu. After the instal, it reboots, adds some packages and then the screen turns into crazy colors.
[04:50] <El_ReTardo> space is not a problem. thank you for help.
[04:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> that's ok
[04:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> iamchaos: does the computer keep working? or does everything stop?
[04:51] <iamchaos> I can Ctrl+Alt+F8 and get to a prompt that works.
[04:51] <dimitris> And a question i have is why don't all applications use gtk2??? Why are famous apps like xmms and mplayer that most linux users use are still stuck with gtk1?
[04:51] <iamchaos> the i386 version works flawless
[04:51] <regeya> meh.
[04:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> iamchaos: so when it's finished installing the packages and gets to the gui it stops working? or while instlaling packages
[04:52] <regeya> even worse, dimitris, is that kde apps don't even use gtk2!  it's been rumored that neither microsoft nor apple have made the switch either.
[04:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> *intalling
[04:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol regeya
[04:52] <melodie> nickrud: I found out, the package is not available for Warty on i-386
[04:52] <melodie> thanks very much
[04:52] <nickrud> http://packages.ubuntu.com/warty/misc/mozilla-mplayer melody
[04:53] <iamchaos> sorry, I should give more detail. Yes once it goes to the gui I get strange colors on the screen.
[04:53] <tim> dimitris, plus there are better libs than GTK2.....aka the EFL's (enlightenment foundation libraries) :-D
[04:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> iamchaos: you will need to go to a terminal and run "sudo dkpg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to fix it
[04:54] <iamchaos> writting that down... :)
[04:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[04:54] <dimitris> Well i don't know what happened after my last update but gtk1 appls now look horrible
[04:54] <Subliminal> my laptop doesnt seem to like the installer, at the boot prompt, it only shows horizontal sections of the ubuntu picture,when i press enter it setting up etc, but when it tries to load the installer ui, nothing appears, the laptop video card is an SiS onboard affair which steals it's video ram from the system ram, but i know X will work (does on fbsd, which also has a similar looking ui installer)
[04:54] <dimitris> Take a look http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b39/LinuxRulez/9b29724f.png
[04:54] <melodie> nickrud: it has to be installed by hand or not at all ?
[04:56] <dimitris> All gtk2 look great but somehow the fonts of gtk1 based apps are all messed up
[04:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> Subliminal: the installers are very different
[04:56] <iamchaos> thanks Kamping_Kaiser. I will give that a shot. I really want to give ubuntu a try and ditch that other distro.
[04:56] <sijmen> Where does the module loading occure during system startup?
[04:56] <nickrud> melodie, if you have mulitverse enabled in your sources.list, you can use synaptic
[04:56] <dimitris> I tried changing my locales as i read in one thread and i changed the gtkrc file used by the system but still its worse than ever
[04:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> iamchaos: do you know your way around dpkg?
[04:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> dpkg-reconfigure?
[04:56] <sijmen> Especially the NVidia one?
[04:56] <Subliminal> Kamping_Kaiser: they look similar, blue background with a gray front kinda thing :-/
[04:56] <iamchaos> I do not
[04:56] <melodie> nickrud: ok thks.
[04:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> give me a minutei iamchaos
[04:57] <nalioth> nickrud: dont you ever sleep?
[04:57] <melodie> do you know if the search interface is broken or so ?
[04:57] <Subliminal> is there anyway i can start up the installer
[04:57] <melodie> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=mozilla-mplayer&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=warty&arch=i386
[04:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> iamchaos: http://k-k.homelinux.net/docs/xserver-xorg tute/
[04:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> you want tutenps
[04:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> should help a bit :S
[04:59] <iamchaos> thanks!
[04:59] <nickrud> melodie, sorry, I took a shortcut, and got caught by mozilla-mplayer being 'referred to by another package'
[04:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> iamchaos: does the link work?
[04:59] <nickrud> nalioth, not a lot ;)
[05:00] <melodie> nickrud: I don't know, the whole story is about installing the plugin Quicktime
[05:00] <melodie> I'm trying to find out if that is available
[05:02] <iamchaos> Kamping_Kaiser: yes it does
[05:02] <iamchaos> Kamping_Kaiser: good info, thanks
[05:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool. i was worried the space would cause problems
[05:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> *removes space
[05:02] <GudyUbuntu> hi, When selecting the Audio/Output in the Multimedia Systems Selector, the only one that works is ESD, when I test with ALSA I get an error, does that mean that ALSA doesn't work correctly on my system?
[05:02] <dimitris> Anyone knows what the file libwxgtk is for? I think thats what messed up my gtk1 fonts after installing the latest version of amule which now uses gtk2
[05:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> GudyUbuntu: the default sound system is esd
[05:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> or esd with an alsa wrapper or somthing. basicly, it's esd
[05:06] <GudyUbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, ok, and let's say I'd like to use ALSA, is it possible?
[05:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> GudyUbuntu: you can probably install any missing packages
[05:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> GudyUbuntu: are you using the admin account?
[05:07] <GudyUbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser : I'm using the account which was initially created during install
[05:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. just removing being in the wrong group as a reason not to work ;)
[05:07] <GudyUbuntu> I think I need ALSA because I'd like to test a java application, and it looks like audio playback with java under linux requires ALSA
[05:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> try with esd, if it doesnt work get the gstreamer plugins and switch to alsa
[05:08] <GudyUbuntu> ESD sound works with music player, but not with the java app
[05:08] <GudyUbuntu> sound is ok ... I'd just like to make sure ALSA works
[05:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. I'm not realy good with sound. jump into synaptic and make sure you have what you need, and work from there
[05:09] <flow> problem with totem-gstreamer
[05:09] <zAo^> I want to install a 'server' but with ALSA, what should I install?
[05:09] <flow> ?
[05:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> also check wiki.ubuntulinux.org and ubuntugide.org
[05:09] <flow> anyone
[05:10] <zAo^> flow, shoot
[05:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> flow what problem?
[05:10] <flow> playback of most files seem laggy
[05:10] <flow> compared to vlc
[05:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> check your plugins or switch to totem-xine
[05:10] <flow> is that normal??
[05:10] <zAo^> flow, there's something on the forums..
[05:11] <flow> totem-xine doesnt work for me..
[05:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> zAo^: ou mean install alsa onto a server intall?
[05:11] <zAo^> Kamping_Kaiser, yes
[05:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> flow: oh :o
[05:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> zAo^: check apt-cache search alsa |grep player for leads
[05:12] <zAo^> Kamping_Kaiser, thnx.
[05:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. I'm going to bed
[05:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's that time of morninig
[05:13] <zAo^> sleep well :)
[05:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)ta
[05:13] <dArtagnan> Where can I find the httpd.conf with ubuntu, it's not at /etc/apache2/htppd.conf, that is only a placeholder
[05:16] <lincr> howdy
[05:18] <mpmc> Do any of you people use hn.org?
[05:18] <dArtagnan> ahuman, found it. - some idiot decided to rename httpd.conf to apache2.conf
[05:19] <ondrej> Anybody from ShipIt team here?
[05:19] <lincr> how do I use losetup?  I finally realized I can use mount -o loop, but losetup is broken...
[05:19] <cn> hey :)
[05:20] <center> hi
[05:20] <cn> I just tried to play with breezy but xorg complains about a missing "keyboard" module, anyone knows what to do?
[05:20] <Geist|Patrick> hi
[05:20] <Geist|Patrick> i need help
[05:20] <center> me2
[05:20] <Geist|Patrick> neither fdisk nor cfdisk let me change some partitions
[05:20] <Nermal> cn, change keyboard to kbd irrc
[05:20] <Geist|Patrick> i need a tool that allows me to format a ntfs disc to fat32
[05:21] <Nermal> Geist|Patrick, mkfs.vfat
[05:21] <dArtagnan> Geist|Patrick, partition magic 8.0 does the trick
[05:21] <center> i can not open up a mysql connection,always "can not connect through socket"
[05:21] <lincr> nermal: know why losetup doesn't work normally?
[05:21] <ondrej> seb128: ping?
[05:21] <Geist|Patrick> well.. partion magic is too expensive for its use one time a year
[05:21] <Nermal> center, enable tcpip for mysql
[05:21] <cn> Nermal: thank you
[05:21] <lincr> center: apt-get install mysql-server again
[05:22] <Nermal> cn, in xorg.conf btw
[05:22] <dArtagnan> yes, the only other solution is to remove the partition and create a new fat32 partition
[05:22] <Nermal> lincr, won't work
[05:22] <dArtagnan> I did the same yesterday
[05:22] <lincr> nermal: why?
[05:22] <Nermal> make sure your making mysql listen on tcp
[05:22] <ondrej> cn: do you have ubuntu-desktop package installed?
[05:22] <Nermal> lincr, reinstall = windows option
[05:23] <lincr> nermal: heh.  It worked for me...
[05:23] <Nermal> good for you
[05:23] <dArtagnan> the only problem can be that windows xp can't create fat32 partition larger than 32gb, it can read fat32 partitions up to ~100gb though
[05:23] <seb128> ondrej: pong
[05:23] <ondrej> cn: there is a lot of new dependecies and some dependencies are still missing
[05:23] <Geist|Patrick> dArtagnan: i tried
[05:23] <lincr> nermal: do you know why losetup is broken?  2.6 thing?
[05:23] <Nermal> no
[05:23] <dArtagnan> but?
[05:23] <cn> ondrej: yes I installed it after the breezy-update
[05:23] <ondrej> seb128: is there anybody from ShipIt team on IRC? (sorry to bother you, but since you are only one who I know... :-)
[05:23] <mpmc> downloading kde takes 10 MINutes!
[05:23] <Geist|Patrick> neither fdisk nor cfdisk edited the partion table although the programm output said that it did
[05:23] <lincr> nermal: is it documented that you know of?
[05:24] <seb128> ondrej: ask to mako
[05:24] <Geist|Patrick> after restarting there were no change regarding those partions
[05:24] <cn> now it tells me about missing fixed font, I'll have a look at this now
[05:24] <Nermal> Geist|Patrick, did you write the changes with "w" ?
[05:24] <ondrej> cn: and xkbutils?
[05:24] <dArtagnan> go to windows -> configuration panel -> preformance -> disc manager
[05:24] <dArtagnan> there you can manage the partitions with a gui
[05:24] <dArtagnan> it's limited though
[05:25] <Geist|Patrick> Nermal: sure
[05:25] <ondrej> seb128: is "mako girl!" Benjamin Mako Hill?
[05:25] <cn> ondrej: no, xbutils was missing
[05:25] <Nermal> Geist|Patrick, install gparted ?
[05:25] <Geist|Patrick> whats that?
[05:25] <Nermal> !info gparted
[05:25] <ubotu> gparted: (partition editor for GNOME), section universe/gnome, is optional. Version: 0.0.8+cvs2005022001-0ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 303 kB, Installed size: 1152 kB
[05:25] <dArtagnan> but you don't need to create the partitions with fdisk, use the configuration panel
[05:25] <lincr> Geist|Patrick: gui partition editor
[05:25] <Geist|Patrick> k
[05:26] <Nermal> partition magic clone basically
[05:26] <Slipaway172> i cant play dvds correctly
[05:26] <seb128> ondrej: right
[05:26] <dArtagnan> what is the exact problem Slipaway172?
[05:26] <ondrej> mako: ping?
[05:27] <Geist|Patrick> can i use gpart with kde too?
[05:27] <Geist|Patrick> or will it now work properly then?
[05:27] <Slipaway172> when i play a trailer that is in HD about 3200kbs it will play that without lag but when i play any dvd under xine or totem it will lagg. the picture will skip and will not flow freely like a movie trailer that is on my hdd.
[05:28] <dArtagnan> enabled dma?
[05:28] <Slipaway172> dma?
[05:28] <dArtagnan> direct memory access
[05:28] <Nermal> Slipaway172, sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/<device>
[05:28] <Slipaway172> let me try
[05:29] <dArtagnan> there is a tutorial on it at the ubuntu wiki
[05:31] <Slipaway172> let me play a dvd now
[05:32] <Slipaway172> still jumpy
[05:33] <Slipaway172> why is the wiki encrypted?
[05:34] <cn> hmmm I have the xfonts-base package but Xorg complains about missing default font fixed
[05:34] <Geist|Patrick> gparted worked fine
[05:34] <Geist|Patrick> thx
[05:34] <Geist|Patrick> btu there is now still one issue left
[05:34] <Geist|Patrick> i cant access all my data on a ntfs hd
[05:35] <Geist|Patrick> some folders open
[05:35] <Geist|Patrick> others dont
[05:35] <Geist|Patrick> weired
[05:35] <anacron> c64 emulator for linux?
[05:35] <lincr> can't find any docco on losetup breakage
[05:37] <anacron> c'mon guys and gals, commandore 64 emulator for linux?
[05:37] <Nermal> freshmeat.net
[05:38] <Slipaway172> how do i find what dev is my dvd rom
[05:38] <melodie> bye all, and thks
[05:38] <Nermal> Slipaway172, dmesg ?
[05:38] <mpmc> OMG C64!.. I wasn't even born when they came out!
[05:38] <mpmc> I was born on the same year as the Amiga :).
[05:39] <anacron> who cares?
[05:39] <mpmc> lol.. I'm just saying..
[05:39] <dabaR> Please dont just say...;)
[05:39] <mpmc> It just reminded me thats all...
[05:39] <dabaR> There is no excuse;)
[05:39] <Geist|Patrick> well
[05:39] <holycow> mpmc, hey just out of curiosity, have you played any of the games?
[05:39] <mpmc> yes
[05:40] <holycow> mpmc, i'm curious just how badly you think they suck?
[05:40] <holycow> what did you think?
[05:40] <anacron> it doesn't matter did you born after or before, if you just play those games :3
[05:40] <mpmc> cannon fodder was good :P
[05:40] <Geist|Patrick> something got wrong after that fat32 creation: mount: "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb2,
[05:40] <Geist|Patrick> missing codepage or other error, In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so Bitte prfen Sie, ob die Disk korrekt eingelegt wurde.
[05:40] <holycow> anacron, for those of us that grew up on the games playing them has an extra dimension :)
[05:40] <mpmc> anyway enough said
[05:40] <magdeburger> maniac mansion \m/
[05:41] <anacron> holycow: of course
[05:41] <holycow> mpmc, did you think they were simply retro? or did you think any of them actually had a fun component?
[05:41] <mpmc> I thought they where fun...
[05:41] <mpmc> I wish I had them now... 1200,600,500
[05:42] <mpmc> they were good for there time..
[05:42] <mpmc> but out dated now
[05:42] <mpmc> lol
[05:42] <holycow> neat :) was just curious
[05:42] <dabaR> I always liked playing C64.
[05:42] <dabaR> Commodore, right?
[05:42] <anacron> oh great, now i have an c64 emulator, but i dunno how to start it
[05:42] <mpmc> we had one of those too..
[05:42] <dabaR> Geist|Patrick: tried that dmesg?
[05:42] <holycow> i replayed most of them as an adult and it was fun the first few times, but most of them were trully bad
[05:43] <_tt> oh un francais vincent__ :O
[05:43] <dabaR> !fr
[05:43] <ubotu> I heard fr is http://fr.ubuntuguide.org/ "Merci" to fr.ubuntuguide.org ; join #ubuntu-es or #kubuntu-es
[05:43] <holycow> anacron, alt / f2 and type in the name of the app
[05:43] <dabaR> what?
[05:43] <mpmc> lemmings rules on them.
[05:43] <Geist|Patrick> how can i rebuilt the bootsector of those partitions?
[05:43] <anacron> holycow: won't work
[05:43] <dabaR> anyhow, _tt do you speak english?
[05:43] <holycow> anacron, didn't install it?
[05:43] <_tt> few ;)
[05:43] <Geist|Patrick> read_ntfs_boot_sector(): Primary boot sector is inv             alid.
[05:43] <Geist|Patrick> NTFS-fs error (device sdb2): read_ntfs_boot_sector(): Mount option errors=recove             r not used. Aborting without trying to recover.
[05:44] <anacron> holycow: it does show some files when i used slocate
[05:44] <Slipaway172> Nermal, WOOT! thanks, that has been bothering for the longest of times. thanks again
[05:44] <anacron> holycow: and anyways it is installed, im sure of that
[05:44] <holycow> anacron, what did you install exactly? and where did you get it from?
[05:44] <anacron> holycow: with synaptic, vice is the name
[05:44] <vincent__> _tt: how do you know ?!
[05:45] <holycow> if it was a debian app it would be in /usr/bin
[05:45] <holycow> you can open that up and look around to see if you see it
[05:45] <holycow> you should be able to double click on it to start
[05:45] <holycow> thats where all your user binaries are
[05:45] <anacron> ok
[05:45] <Geist|Patrick> i try to edit the fstab an reboot then
[05:45] <holycow> most emus have a gui that lets you open up roms
[05:45] <Geist|Patrick> well but there is still another problem i cant figure out
[05:45] <anacron> holycow: like visualboyadvance do ;)
[05:46] <holycow> yup
[05:46] <Geist|Patrick> i have an ntfs drive mounted with 190Gigs of animestuff
[05:46] <kev0r> hi there, anyone here experiance with automatic mounting of a UsbStick? (Without gnome tools)
[05:46] <Geist|Patrick> but i only can access about 5% of the folders
[05:46] <dabaR> vincent__: your entrance said this vincent__ [~vincent@abo-175-198-68.ang.modulone
[05:46] <Geist|Patrick> otheres dont open, even if the adressbar of konquerer changes
[05:46] <Geist|Patrick> with opera i were able to see the content in those folders, but nothing could be opened
[05:47] <dabaR> and had a .fr at the end, got cut off there.
[05:47] <vincent__> dabaR: ahhhh, it even says the town : 'ang' = Angers ! I can't hide anymore ! ;-P
[05:47] <dabaR> Geist|Patrick: is it all one partition?
[05:48] <kev0r> hi there, anyone here experiance with automatic mounting of a UsbStick? (Without gnome tools)
[05:48] <kwilcox> other than plugging it in?
[05:48] <kev0r> hmm spamm :)
[05:48] <Geist|Patrick> dabaR: 3gigs ntfs windows swap
[05:48] <Mez> kev0r: you normally wont get automount stuff
[05:48] <Geist|Patrick> 100GB fat32
[05:48] <Geist|Patrick> 50GiB rfs
[05:48] <Mez> kev0r: but usually HAL will pick it up and you can mount it normally
[05:48] <kev0r> Mez: installing Ubuntu with Gnome will automatically mount the Usb device
[05:49] <Mez> kev0r: *shrugs*
[05:49] <kev0r> shrogs?
[05:49] <Geist|Patrick> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/874
[05:49] <Geist|Patrick> is this ok?
[05:50] <kev0r> what do yea mean?
[05:50] <Mez> kev0r: If you're going to be abusive then I wont help you
[05:51] <cn> what package contains the mkfontdir program?
[05:51] <kev0r> just a joke man
[05:51] <Mez> cn: xfonts-base
[05:51] <Mez> usually
[05:51] <Whistler> grr
[05:51] <Whistler> smt wrong with my mouse
[05:51] <Mez> kev0r: well, I didn't find it particularly funny
[05:51] <Whistler> it keeps moving itself
[05:52] <Mez> Whistler, just like - slowly, to one side, or like - when you move it
[05:53] <Geist|Patrick> brb
[05:53] <anacron> source or binary file?
[05:54] <Whistler> it moves big distances
[05:54] <kev0r> Mez: ok, soz then
[05:54] <Whistler> just jumps to other side of the screen
[05:54] <Mez> Whistler: when you move your mouse or when you dont move it?
[05:54] <Whistler> i dont move it
[05:54] <Mez> Whistler: USB Mouse? or PS2?
[05:54] <nmsa> I have a d-link router; my ubuntu has 192.168.0.1; my router has a WAN IP, how can I find out the wan IP from ubuntu?
[05:55] <sree> Hi all
[05:55] <Whistler> usb mouse
[05:56] <sree> Totem is not working properly in My ubuntu (ubuntu for AMD 64)
[05:56] <Razor-X> sree: how so?
[05:56] <anacron> nmsa: from outside (other computer/internet) or accessing to you router
[05:56] <Geist|Patrick> shit...
[05:57] <Geist|Patrick> its still not working :(
[05:57] <anacron> nmsa: www.whatismyip.com
[05:57] <nmsa> anacron: what I meant is to run a script in ubuntu box who mails me the WAN Dynamic IP so anytime I can access it
[05:57] <anacron> nmsa: no-ip.org dyndns.org
[05:58] <anacron> nmsa: there's tools which do that automaticly, and then you have to just remebmer one hostname like nmsa.no-ip.org when connecting
[05:58] <sree> Razor-X, it says that there is some problem in loading some libg* library
[05:59] <nmsa> anacron: my D-link has this dyndns feature, but it doesn't work ok at all
[05:59] <anacron> nmsa: don't use that, use no-ip from you computer :)
[05:59] <Geist|Patrick> now the soundserver doesnt start anymore
[05:59] <Geist|Patrick> wtf is going on here :/
[06:00] <nmsa> anacron: no-ip work from my private ip?
[06:00] <anacron> Geist|Patrick: microsoft is not happy with you choice
[06:00] <anacron> nmsa: what do you mean by private ip
[06:00] <Geist|Patrick> proxy?
[06:00] <nmsa> anacron: ubuntu get 192.168.0.100 from d-link
[06:01] <anacron> yeah?
[06:01] <nmsa> netstat or route doesn't show me the WAN IP from my d-link
[06:01] <Geist|Patrick> c'mon , nobody there who can help me :(
[06:01] <sree> i am facing lot of dependency problems while installing the *.deb packages . Is there any document available which says about the order in which the packages should be installed?
[06:01] <anacron> nmsa: so?
[06:01] <nmsa> I made a script that gets the gtw and sends it to me bu mail
[06:02] <nmsa> but this is still the WAN LAN (ubuntu gtw) 192.168.0.1 and not the WAN of the router
[06:02] <Razor-X> sree: .........
[06:02] <Razor-X> you know that you use apt-get/aptitude/synaptic to install packages, preferrably?
[06:02] <holycow> does anyone know which package contains transcode?
[06:03] <Razor-X> holycow: lemme see
[06:03] <anacron> nmsa: you always get lan ip if your using nat :/
[06:03] <Geist|Patrick> please... i really need help :(
[06:03] <Razor-X> holycow: just transcode
[06:03] <sree> Razor-X, i don't have internet connection to use apt
[06:04] <holycow> weird, its not in my repos even tho i have marillat and universe enabled
[06:04] <nmsa> anacron: so? how do I know my WAN ?
[06:04] <Razor-X> Geist|Patrick: did you try and browse the fs as root?
[06:04] <nmsa> no-ip from my linux box will see the WAN ?
[06:04] <anacron> nmsa: www.whatismyip.com :)
[06:04] <Geist|Patrick> well the partitions are there
[06:04] <anacron> nmsa: yes no-ip will do
[06:04] <Razor-X> sree: good luck then, go to the Ubuntu packages site and look up the dependancies
[06:04] <Geist|Patrick> but i fail to mount them
[06:04] <Geist|Patrick> missing mountpoint
[06:05] <Razor-X> holycow: I didn't either, for a long time
[06:05] <Razor-X> I think it's backports
[06:05] <dArtagnan> have you added them to /etc/fstab?
[06:05] <Razor-X> Geist|Patrick: then make the mount point?
[06:05] <nmsa> anacron: I see :) 'thnx; one more thing: is there a auto update software for no-ip or dyndns >
[06:05] <nmsa> ?
[06:06] <dArtagnan> sudo gedit /etc/fstab and add the partition
[06:06] <Geist|Patrick> Razor-X: how?
[06:06] <Jason__> hi..can anyone check productiontube.net and tell me if they can see it?
[06:06] <Geist|Patrick> i always get: error: fat32 unknown filesystem type
[06:07] <dArtagnan> Geist|Patrick, /dev/sda5	/data		vfat defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000    0  0
[06:07] <dArtagnan> that is the line I have for the fat32 disc
[06:07] <dArtagnan> at /etc/fstab
[06:07] <Geist|Patrick> k
[06:08] <dArtagnan> type id in the terminal to find out your id
[06:08] <Razor-X> Geist|Patrick: mkdir /mnt/blah for a mount point at /mnt/blah
[06:08] <dArtagnan> but most likely it will be 1000
[06:08] <Razor-X> dArtagnan: he doesen't have to have it in his /etc/fstab
[06:08] <Razor-X> everyone tells people to add it there, but, I never add my NTFS mont into my /etc/fstab
[06:08] <dabaR> you should just use te seveas mount script maybe.
[06:09] <Geist|Patrick> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/875
[06:09] <Razor-X> Geist|Patrick: mkdir /mnt/point, where /mnt/point is your mount point
[06:09] <anacron> haha :D "the great mount script made by seveas, the guru of #ubuntu"
[06:09] <Razor-X> what fs is it?
[06:09] <dabaR> anacron: explain.
[06:09] <Razor-X> anacron: Amaranth made smeg
[06:10] <anacron> dabaR: it's just that seveas has solution for everything
[06:10] <Geist|Patrick> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/875 <--- is this fstab ok
[06:10] <Razor-X> Geist|Patrick: you don't have to add it to your fstab
[06:10] <Seveas> Geist|Patrick, looks ok
[06:10] <dabaR> anacron: no. He does not, but I get what you mean.
[06:10] <Razor-X> is there a reason everyone suggests adding to fstab?
[06:10] <Geist|Patrick> the script di
[06:10] <Geist|Patrick> did
[06:11] <Razor-X> because that slows down startup
[06:11] <Seveas> Geist|Patrick, except for the last line
[06:11] <Belutz> smeg was created by Amaranth?? cool :D
[06:11] <Geist|Patrick> thats why i am asking
[06:11] <sree> Razor-X, are you from which country ?
[06:11] <Razor-X> sree: I live in America, my parents were from India
[06:11] <Razor-X> Belutz: yeah, too many people were complaining about the menus
[06:11] <Seveas> Geist|Patrick, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/876
[06:11] <sree> Razor-X, I too from India
[06:11] <Razor-X> Amaranth used to be a crazy Pear PC dev ;)
[06:12] <nmsa> no-ip.com is working? I can't see a thing on that page ?
[06:12] <Seveas> Razor-X, it slows down boot y exacty .5 seconds....
[06:12] <Seveas> or even less
[06:12] <Razor-X> Seveas: well, I don't like that
[06:13] <Razor-X> plus, I don't always need my Windows partition mounted
[06:13] <Seveas> Razor-X, if you can't stand a .5 second overhead, go gentoo, you can spend moths to eliminate all overhead :)
[06:13] <sree> Razor-X, Is there any other way to install the packages on my Ubuntu ???
[06:13] <dArtagnan> package manager?
[06:13] <Razor-X> sree: not really, unfortunately, you can try out ``dselect'', but in my opinion, it's horrible
[06:14] <Geist|Patrick> Seveas: thx
[06:14] <Geist|Patrick> can i test that without rebooting?
[06:14] <sree> Razor-X, wat is 'dselect' ??
[06:14] <Seveas> Geist|Patrick, yes
[06:14] <Seveas> just type sudo mount -a
[06:14] <Razor-X> sree: it's a package manager
[06:15] <sree> Razor-X, Fine !!!
[06:15] <dArtagnan> sudo mount /dev/sdb2 should work
[06:15] <Geist|Patrick> Warnung: Am Ende der Datei /etc/fstab fehlt ein abschlieender Zeilenvorschub. <--- warning: something missing in fstab
[06:15] <Geist|Patrick> :/
[06:15] <Razor-X> hah, nickrud said mail is simple
[06:15] <Razor-X> Geist|Patrick: does the mount point exist?
[06:15] <Razor-X> s/mail/exim/
[06:16] <Razor-X> yeah, here's a 632 page book on exim ;)
[06:16] <Geist|Patrick> there are no mountpoints for the other drives either
[06:16] <Geist|Patrick> why should these two need some?
[06:16] <Razor-X> Geist|Patrick: yes there are
[06:16] <sree> Razor-X, wat is RealName ?? and which place in India
[06:16] <Razor-X> sree: I live in America right now
[06:16] <Seveas> Geist|Patrick, hit <enter> at the end of the last line
[06:16] <Razor-X> Geist|Patrick: everything has a mount point
[06:17] <Seveas> Geist|Patrick, the fstab file needs to end with an empty line
[06:17] <sree> Razor-X, that's fine ! but i asked you wat is your native place in India and wat is your Real Name
[06:17] <Geist|Patrick> lol... sometimes solutions are that dumb X-D
[06:17] <Seveas> Geist|Patrick, not really...
[06:18] <ep> join #c++
[06:18] <ep> mistell
[06:18] <Razor-X> sree: my real name you don't have to know, but a hint -- I'm the nephew of P.C. Sorcar Jr., and I come from Calcutta
[06:18] <Geist|Patrick> i wonder: gpedit says sdb3 is there
[06:18] <MrMaDSeN> hi folks
[06:18] <Geist|Patrick> terminal says, its not existing
[06:19] <Geist|Patrick> which one says the truth
[06:19] <anacron> calcutta, im a taxi driver in! calcutta! lalallalaa
[06:19] <Razor-X> Geist|Patrick: cd /mnt/sdb3 doesen't exist?
[06:19] <MrMaDSeN> any know how to enable DMA on drives ?
[06:19] <sree> Razor-X,will you give me your mail id ??
[06:19] <Razor-X> sree: no ;)
[06:19] <_simon> You said that there was all the Debian packages plus more, but I cant find the package "mc". Why?
[06:19] <Geist|Patrick> mnt is an empty folder razor-x
[06:19] <dArtagnan> MrMaDSeN, it at the wiki :)
[06:19] <Razor-X> I don't really check my mail anywho
[06:19] <Geist|Patrick> there are NO drives in it
[06:19] <Razor-X> Geist|Patrick: well, look closely at your fstab
[06:20] <Razor-X> your root partiiton is mounted to ``/''
[06:20] <Seveas> _simon, because you have not enabled universe yet
[06:20] <Razor-X> and that's a mount point that exists, no?
[06:20] <Razor-X> one of them is mounted as swap
[06:20] <Razor-X> again, it exists
[06:20] <Razor-X> ;)
[06:20] <_simon> Seveas: How do I do that?
[06:20] <Geist|Patrick> i only have etnries in fstab
[06:20] <Seveas> _simon: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:20] <Seveas> _simon: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[06:20] <_simon> Seveas: okay
[06:21] <queuetue> Can someone give me a replacement uri for the old backports.ubuntuforums.org ?
[06:21] <Geist|Patrick> well.. if i need adtitional mountpoints
[06:21] <Razor-X> or you can use my 64 line behemoth sources.list ;)
[06:21] <Seveas> !backports
[06:21] <ubotu> somebody said backports was .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[06:21] <Geist|Patrick> is there a solution how to create them automatically?
[06:21] <astronut> I am having troubles attaching to my wireless network... I tested the live cd in a hotel, and had access fine, but now at home i can't attach with either a proper install or the livecd
[06:21] <Razor-X> Geist|Patrick: mkdir /mnt/mount/point
[06:21] <Razor-X> (assuming /mnt/mount/point is your mount point)
[06:21] <queuetue> Seveas, Thanks.
[06:21] <Razor-X> and you're set forever
[06:21] <sree> Razor-X, bye
[06:21] <Random_Sindrom> What version of fluxbox is in the repositories?
[06:21] <sree> Razor-X, see u again
[06:22] <Geist|Patrick> kann Verzeichnis ,,/mnt/mount/point" nicht anlegen: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
[06:22] <Geist|Patrick> cant create folder **: file or folder not found
[06:23] <Seveas> Geist|Patrick, you need to put the real mountpoints in that command
[06:23] <Geist|Patrick> as i said... folder /mnt/ in / is empty
[06:23] <Geist|Patrick> what are the real mountpoints?
[06:23] <Razor-X> odd ;)
[06:23] <Razor-X> there's no entry in the repos for Pine
[06:23] <Geist|Patrick> what?
[06:23] <Razor-X> Geist|Patrick: you can make them, no?
[06:23] <Razor-X> mkdir makes directories, you know?
[06:23] <Geist|Patrick> what are u talking about?
[06:23] <Seveas> Geist|Patrick, according to your fstab, they are created in /media
[06:23] <Seveas> not in /mnt
[06:23] <Razor-X> and if youc an't make it
[06:23] <Geist|Patrick> k
[06:23] <Razor-X> append a ``sudo''
[06:24] <Geist|Patrick> sudo -s
[06:24] <Geist|Patrick> i give commantds as root
[06:24] <Seveas> Geist|Patrick, the only one still missing can be created with: sudo mkdir /media/sdb3
[06:24] <Seveas> and then mount -a should work
[06:24] <_simon> Seveas: I cant use the guide you gave a link to - Iam using kubuntu..
[06:25] <Seveas> _simon, have you ever edited /etc/apt/sources.list before?
[06:25] <astronut> I am having troubles attaching to my wireless network... I tested the live cd in a hotel, and had access fine, but now at home i can't attach with either a proper install or the livecd..i'm not sure why...
[06:25] <_simon> Seveas: yes, on my server with "real" Linux Debian
[06:25] <Seveas> _simon, but not on the ubuntu machine?
[06:25] <_simon> Seveas: no
[06:26] <Seveas> _simon, ok, then just do: sudo wget http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/?download=38 -O /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:26] <Seveas> and then apt-get update
[06:27] <_simon> Okay
[06:27] <anacron> what does -O mean in there?
[06:27] <Geist|Patrick> Seveas: fine
[06:27] <Geist|Patrick> now this works
[06:27] <Geist|Patrick> but there is still a lot of trouble here :(
[06:27] <Seveas> Geist|Patrick, great that it works :)
[06:27] <Geist|Patrick> amarok doesnt output sound anymore
[06:27] <_simon> thanks, it worked
[06:27] <Geist|Patrick> and i cant access big parts of a ntfs hd
[06:27] <TheSin> anacron, -O output file
[06:28] <Geist|Patrick> Seveas: Razor-X: thank u for this step :)
[06:28] <anacron> TheSin: okay
[06:28] <_simon> I have do'ed dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to times, but it will not remember my settings! I have in dpkg-reconfigure set it to 1024x768@75 and then when I have restarted my computer, I can see it is 1024x768@75
[06:28] <_simon> too times*
[06:29] <Geist|Patrick> i guess i need help via vnc
[06:29] <_simon> two times*
[06:29] <Geist|Patrick> :/
[06:29] <rorviker> I've got an old IBM aptiva 2137-e69 where the soundcard is built on the mainboard. could anyone give me some help on getting it to work? have no more idea about what kind of soundcard it is..
[06:29] <Seveas> _simon, paste your xorg.conf on the pastebin, I'll have a look
[06:30] <_simon> Seveas:  how can I copy ALL the text from xorg.conf to the pastebin homepage?
[06:30] <Razor-X> rorviker: google the model maybe?
[06:31] <Seveas> _simon, wget http://ubuntulinux.nl/files/pastebin && cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | python pastebin
[06:31] <rorviker> Razor-X, have dont it and no good luck.  found only something about a modem driver
[06:32] <_simon> Seveas: http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/877
[06:32] <rorviker> it's an old piece of shit and only need it to play some mp3
[06:32] <MrMaDSeN> /dev/cdrom:
[06:32] <MrMaDSeN>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[06:32] <MrMaDSeN>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[06:32] <MrMaDSeN>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[06:32] <MrMaDSeN> why do I get this... I am root
[06:32] <MrMaDSeN> ?
[06:32] <dArtagnan> you can't do that with a cdrom :)
[06:32] <Razor-X> rorviker: time to get a new sound card
[06:33] <Razor-X> how old is it?
[06:33] <Seveas> MrGardenHoseMan, you need proper drivers for your motherboard
[06:33] <thenuke> miten ne on saanu sen tatskan noin hyvin hvitetty?
[06:33] <thenuke> oops. wronh channel =)
[06:33] <Razor-X> thenuke: meh
[06:33] <Seveas> _simon, that xorg.conf looks fine, which setting does it forget?
[06:34] <Geist|Patrick> ok... another problem solved... one to go
[06:34] <Seveas> MrMaDSeN, you need proper drivers for your motherboard
[06:34] <rorviker> Razor-X, its the one on the motherboard. not pci. and have no idea how old this pc is. but its a k6 233 mhz and that says enough I think
[06:34] <anacron> hmm, any ideas why doom3 won't open when i type doom3?
[06:34] <MrMaDSeN> crap... nerolinux told me to enable it
[06:34] <Geist|Patrick> i would be deeply grateful if u could help me with that :)
[06:34] <rorviker> only used it for a small ftp server but now my regular pc is dead and I want musiv
[06:34] <rorviker> -v+c
[06:34] <_simon> Seveas: the setting with the hz - I chosse 1024x768@75hz in dpkg-reconfigure, and then I start my computer up again (I restart) it has forgotten the setting - I can see it is only 1024x768@60hz I right click on the desktop and choose "Indstil desktop"(I dont know what it is call in english - Iam danish)
[06:35] <_simon> Seveas: by the way...I know my screen can run 1024x768@85hz because I have Windows XP and it ran with that resoultion and hz..
[06:36] <rorviker> driver problem ?
[06:36] <Seveas> _simon, do you run kubuntu or ubuntu?
[06:36] <_simon> Seveas: , kubuntu
[06:36] <Geist|Patrick> kde has a tool for this
[06:36] <Seveas> doesn't kcontrol give you some help in this area?
[06:37] <Razor-X> !info pine
[06:37] <Seveas> (me uses ubuntu/gnome so I'm not sure about that)
[06:37] <Geist|Patrick> rightclik on ur desktop
[06:37] <Geist|Patrick> and then the last icon in the left side
[06:37] <Razor-X> what's the package candidate for ``pine'' ?
[06:37] <Seveas> Razor-X, licensing issues prevent it from being included...
[06:37] <Razor-X> Seveas: ahhh, ok
[06:37] <Razor-X> not even in multiverse now?
[06:37] <Razor-X> hell, w32codecs is plain illegal ;)
[06:37] <_simon> I didnt know that kcontrol was there..is it the "controlpanel" or?
[06:38] <Seveas> Razor-X, that's why it;s not available in the ubuntu repositories :)
[06:38] <_simon> Geist|Patrick: is it me you are talking to...or? heh
[06:38] <Razor-X> Seveas: know some free alternatives to Pine?
[06:39] <Seveas> Razor-X, mutt :)
[06:39] <Razor-X> ahhh, there we are
[06:39] <Razor-X> I forgot the name
[06:39] <Seveas> it's not at all like pine
[06:39] <Seveas> but good :)
[06:39] <ompaul> Seveas, and some would say better :)
[06:40] <Geist|Patrick> ya
[06:40] <ZincX> where can i get some plugins for gaim ?
[06:40] <_simon> I can only choose 1024x768@60hz when I right click on the desktop, and so on...
[06:40] <Geist|Patrick> gaim.org?
[06:40] <queuetue> Hrm ... E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) ... how do I actually get it to tell me the error?
[06:40] <_simon> Could it help if I change to another screen?
[06:41] <_simon> My screen is a little old, I think...I have a IBM screen, is that better or will it not help?
[06:41] <anacron> amm what was the good wiki to nvidia drivers?
[06:41] <Razor-X> Seveas: does it compose mail with $EDITOR/$VISUAL?
[06:41] <Seveas> yup
[06:41] <Seveas> anacron: You can read all about binary-only driver issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:41] <anacron> thanks
[06:42] <deprave> =D
[06:43] <Random_Sindrom> Someone have Flubox-dev running on Ubuntu?
[06:44] <_simon> Any experts? ;)
[06:45] <Razor-X> damn, that means qmail isn't working!
[06:45] <Razor-X> and it's compiled
[06:45] <Razor-X> stupid piece of :(
[06:45] <deprave> i'm an expert drunk
[06:46] <valle> hey, I ran into serious problems install GD for perl, could anyone help me out with that?
[06:47] <queuetue> Running apt-get upgrade, I got:  "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" ... how do I actually get it to tell me the error?
[06:47] <firestorm> Howdy. Is ther e a firewall operating by default with Ubuntu?
[06:47] <goldfish> hmm, im getting that error too
[06:47] <goldfish> firestorm: no.
[06:47] <kyncani> firestorm: no
[06:48] <firestorm> goldfish, kyncani: thanks :)
[06:48] <firestorm> fedora, for example, comes with a default iptables script...is there something similar for ubuntu or do people roll their own?
[06:49] <goldfish> roll their own i think
[06:49] <goldfish> might be some on the forums.
[06:49] <goldfish> fedora also comes with rpm, soo.....
[06:50] <anacron> do i have to change permissions with doom3?
[06:54] <kyncani> firestorm: people just choose their preferred firewall maker, be it firestarter, shorewall, firehol or anything else
[06:55] <astronut> i can't get my card to see my wireless network...
[06:56] <firestorm> kyncani: what do you personally prefer? is there one similar to zonealarm with a nice GUI etc?
[06:56] <jmanns> hello people
[06:56] <Seveas> firestorm, firestarter :)
[06:57] <jmanns> i really need some help.  all the icons on my gnone desktop have disappeared.  evena after reboot, they haven't come back.what can i do to fix that?
[06:58] <ompaul> jmanns, fire up a terminal and type 'nautilus' in it, that may help
[06:58] <kyncani> firestorm: i prefer shorewall, but it's nothing like zonealarm. The easiest firewall i think is firestarter (like Seveas said)
[06:58] <fec> how to use BitchX with GUI ?
[06:58] <Seveas> bitchx has no gui...
[06:59] <firestorm> kyncani, Seveas: thanks :)   I've been doing it by hand with a script full if iptables rules in the past but might try firestarter :)
[06:59] <fec> thx
[06:59] <fec> exit
[06:59] <mock> Any1 her, who has some experiences with playing games (for Windows) on ubuntu?
[07:00] <ZincX> im tryin to install guifications for gaim
[07:00] <ZincX> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gaim.pc'
[07:00] <ZincX> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
[07:00] <ZincX> No package 'gaim' found
[07:00] <ZincX> configure: error: Package requirements (gaim) were not met.
[07:00] <ZincX> but that appeared
[07:00] <PrimoTurbo> Hey guys I downloaded a splash screen how do I set it for gnome?
[07:01] <PrimoTurbo> Which options do I go to for the splash screen / login screen/
[07:01] <Seveas> ZincX, apt-get install gaim-dev
[07:01] <ompaul> PrimoTurbo, system - preferences - login screen setup
[07:02] <PrimoTurbo> That's for the login screen where do I edit the splash screen
[07:02] <PrimoTurbo> you know the one that shows loading all the apps before gnome starts
[07:02] <ZincX> Seveas,
[07:02] <ZincX> root@net:/home/sasquach/guifications-2.11 # apt-get install gaim-dev
[07:02] <ZincX> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[07:02] <ZincX> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[07:02] <Seveas> PrimoTurbo: To change the Ubuntu splash screen, open the gconf-editor and change the key /apps/gnome-session/options/splash-image
[07:02] <Seveas> ZincX, sudo apt-get install gaim-dev
[07:02] <vader1102> hello people, back for a bit with the same networking problem as last night but not working on it today
[07:03] <Seveas> ZincX, and please do NOT paste in here
[07:03] <ZincX> ok
[07:03] <vader1102> ZincZ: close synaptic and you won't get that message
[07:03] <Seveas> ZincX, and close synaptic/all other package managers before entering that command
[07:03] <vader1102> ZincX:
[07:03] <vader1102> lol
[07:03] <ZincX> aaah
[07:03] <ZincX> thought so
[07:03] <PrimoTurbo> Seveas: Thanks
[07:04] <PrimoTurbo> I think I disabled the splash screen but I cannot find the options I used to do so
[07:04] <PrimoTurbo> I know it's somewhere in the options
[07:04] <PrimoTurbo> any idea where it is?
[07:06] <paulsen> Can someone here tell me what the problem is with mplayer and ubuntu?
[07:06] <vader1102> Seveas: who would be the networking person to speak to tomorrow when I try to get my workgroup up and running?
[07:08] <Seveas> vader1102, anyone ho answers your question :)
[07:09] <Seveas> who*
[07:09] <vader1102> k
[07:12] <PrimoTurbo> Does anyone know if the GNOME Splash Screen Manager is installed by default on ubuntu?
[07:12] <PrimoTurbo> I'm guessing no?
[07:13] <thenuke> PrimoTurbo: does it matter if it is not :)
[07:13] <Nomad_1> I looked in the xchat docs for anything about aliasing commands, but didn't find anything. So, is there a way to alias commands in XChat and if not what IRC client program would you all suggest that supports aliasing (like mIRC for windows) and scripting in the python scripting language at least?
[07:13] <thenuke> PrimoTurbo: do you know the name for the package?
[07:14] <PrimoTurbo> It's called GNOME Splash Screen Manager
[07:14] <PrimoTurbo> but it's not int the package manager
[07:15] <Amaranth> PrimoTurbo: I know it's in breezy but it's not installed by default
[07:15] <nmsa> anyone using ipcheck ? when I run ipcheck --makedat nothing happends
[07:16] <thenuke> PrimoTurbo: http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/gnome/gnome-splashscreen-manager
[07:16] <thenuke> PrimoTurbo: that seems to be in Breezy
[07:17] <jacquesmerde> can i ask a quick question? does hoary use udev or devfs?
[07:17] <ZincX> hmm.. theres sum problem wen i want to apt-get install gaim-dev
[07:17] <PrimoTurbo> Thanks but I'm using horay, and I think I disabled the splash screen and can't remember how I did it. :(
[07:18] <PrimoTurbo> I found a way to change the splash screen with out gnome splashscreen manager but first I need to enable splash screen.
[07:18] <PrimoTurbo> it's in the menus somewhere I can't seem to find it
[07:18] <Amaranth> it's in the 'configuration editor'
[07:18] <Amaranth> Applications->System Tools->Configuration Editor
[07:19] <PrimoTurbo> which part of it is it under I can't seem to find it
[07:19] <Geist|Patrick> which command allows me to install tar.gz?
[07:20] <Rancorus> How do i get my hp psc2210 printer/scanner to scan in ubuntu ?
[07:22] <dArtagnan> Geist|Patrick, tar --help
[07:22] <nickrud> Rancorus, install hpoj
[07:22] <Geist|Patrick> thx
[07:23] <nmsa> when I first installed ipcheck (a few month ago) on a diff box, during install it asked me configuration info. it doesn't no more and ipcheck --makedat is not working, anyone had the same problem?
[07:24] <anacron> how do i make more partitions with linux? (i left space during windows installation)
[07:24] <nightswim> cfdisk
[07:24] <zAo^> can I reseize ReiserFS with the liveCD??
[07:25] <dArtagnan> anacron, install gparted
[07:25] <jacquesmerde> does hoary use udev or devfs?
[07:25] <dArtagnan> sudo get-apt install gparted
[07:25] <anacron> dArtagnan: thanks
[07:25] <dArtagnan> sudo apt-get install gparted
[07:25] <dArtagnan> ^^
[07:25] <zAo^> dArtagnan, can I reseize ReiserFS with the LiveCD?
[07:25] <nmsa> anacron: do you use ipcheck?
[07:25] <dArtagnan> not sure
[07:25] <zAo^> k
[07:26] <anacron> nmsa: im not sure
[07:26] <dArtagnan> maybe knoppix, it has a lot of features
[07:27] <anacron> is it better to use ext2 or 3?
[07:27] <moua> 3
[07:27] <zAo^> 3
[07:27] <Chaotic_Shield> 3.
[07:27] <moua> 3>2 ;)
[07:27] <zyga> anacron: 2 for getting undelete, 3 for getting everything else
[07:27] <Chaotic_Shield> 3 > 2.
[07:27] <Chaotic_Shield> :-P
[07:27] <anacron> what's wrong with 2?
[07:27] <zyga> :-)
[07:27] <moua> lol Chaotic_Shield :)
[07:27] <Chaotic_Shield> 2 < 3
[07:27] <zyga> anacron: 2 has not journaling
[07:27] <zyga> s/not/no/
[07:28] <anacron> ok...
[07:28] <dArtagnan> compare it with windows, fat32 > fat16 > fat
[07:28] <dArtagnan> higher number is most of the time better :P
[07:28] <Chaotic_Shield> ntfs > fat32.
[07:28] <zyga> dArtagnan: fat > ntfs (writing), ntfs > fat (permissions)
[07:28] <zyga> ;-)
[07:29] <zyga> it all depends: for what
[07:29] <moua> dArtagnan : and what is better, ntfs our fat32 ? :)
[07:29] <Chaotic_Shield> ntfs.
[07:29] <Chaotic_Shield> ntfs is much much faster for everyday use.
[07:29] <dArtagnan> but linux can read fat32 better afaik
[07:29] <moua> but can be write from linux :(
[07:30] <Chaotic_Shield> linux can't write to ntfs though.
[07:30] <zAo^> can I reseize partitions with the Ubuntu installer?
[07:30] <dArtagnan> no
[07:30] <andy_> fat can be written from linux, ntfs is read only
[07:30] <dArtagnan> :/
[07:30] <zAo^> ..
[07:30] <dArtagnan> you can only delete and create partitions
[07:30] <dArtagnan> not resize
[07:30] <dArtagnan> you can resize after the install with gparted
[07:30] <zAo^> I need to reseize ReiserFs, what should I do?
[07:30] <zyga> (for the record: ntfs is experimentally writable)
[07:30] <dArtagnan> experimentally
[07:30] <zAo^> its / that I want to reseize
[07:31] <Chaotic_Shield> zyga, I consider experimentally writing not writing.
[07:31] <zyga> dArtagnan: ?
[07:31] <zyga> Chaotic_Shield: it was for the record ;)
[07:31] <tommi^> Hi. Recommend me a 2d cad program for relatively simple design. You get bonus if it's native gnome app.
[07:32] <Chaotic_Shield> pft.
[07:32] <Chaotic_Shield> off the record > *
[07:32] <Chaotic_Shield> means the newbs don't know :-P
[07:32] <dArtagnan> it's a good start, ntfs is better than fat32. Only linux can't handle it that well yet
[07:32] <Chaotic_Shield> yeah
[07:32] <Hee> : haha 
[07:32] <Chaotic_Shield> at least it can read from it though
[07:32] <Chaotic_Shield> That's nice.
[07:32] <Hee> : meinv 
[07:32] <Hee> : zai ma ? 
[07:32] <Chaotic_Shield> =\
[07:32] <Chaotic_Shield> I can't read that.
[07:32] <dArtagnan> really now the smallest hdd is atleast 120gb
[07:33] <zyga> Chaotic_Shield: BTW: recently on ./, ximian offers *100%* NTFS writing
[07:33] <Chaotic_Shield> and you're complaining why dArtagnan?
[07:33] <jp> can I update xorg on breezy? or it's on risk to damage my box yet?
[07:33] <zyga> jp: read the topic
[07:33] <lok> jp, DON'T
[07:34] <jacquesmerde> does hoary use udev or devfs?
[07:34] <jp> zyga I was reading that topic about 1 month about, and the breezy release is the next month, so?
[07:34] <Chaotic_Shield> zyga, I believe that like I beleve Windows is good.
[07:34] <lok> yesterday i have do it, today I have reinstall hoary
[07:34] <Chaotic_Shield> 100% NTFS writing? Not yet.
[07:34] <jp> am I saying dub things? I don't think so
[07:34] <lok> jacquesmerde, udev
[07:34] <jp> :-)
[07:34] <jp> dub/dumb
[07:34] <jacquesmerde> lok, thanks. though that's bad news
[07:34] <dArtagnan> fat32 has a 74gb partition size limit afaik
[07:34] <lok> jp, breezy release is on october
[07:34] <Chaotic_Shield> gaim2win.
[07:35] <zyga> jp: well so was I and I'm not bold enough to reinstall hoary *again*
[07:35] <Chaotic_Shield> tbh, hoary is nice
[07:35] <lok> but now you'll have trouble with Xorg and your keyboard
[07:35] <jp> well I was just asking
[07:35] <jp> I needed to install x-window-system-dev, but now I know that I can't
[07:36] <Chaotic_Shield> why not?
[07:36] <Chaotic_Shield> tbh, this net got services?
[07:36] <Chaotic_Shield> yes it does.
[07:37] <Chaotic_Shield> pft.
[07:37] <Chaotic_Shield> Anyone know what services this network uses?
[07:40] <sadf> hi folks
[07:41] <Random_Sindrom> hi sadf
[07:42] <highvoltage> what does sadf stand for?
[07:42] <sadf> im currently trying to install ubuntu on a friends notebook and now im at the step 'install the base system', and when i try to do that step i get the message that the root filesystem has to be mounted at /target, now im not sure what to do. does anybody know what that means?
[07:42] <sadf> highvoltage, its a very long story ;)
[07:43] <chrissturm> maybe an unhappy f
[07:44] <chorton> sadf, did you go through the partitioner?
[07:44] <sadf> chorton, i found no partitioner
[07:45] <sadf> where can i find it?
[07:45] <chorton> If you go through the installer, it should ask you if you want to partition the hard drive.
[07:45] <chorton> It'll ask you if you want to do it manually or automatically.
[07:45] <sadf> i swear, this question i have never been asked
[07:45] <chorton> Hmm.
[07:46] <sadf> but i did expert install because normal(linux) did freeze
[07:47] <sadf> btw. it is kubuntu, not regular ubuntu
[07:47] <chorton> Huh.
[07:47] <sadf> maybe kubuntu has no partitioner?
[07:47] <chorton> Sorry, I don't know anything about that.
[07:47] <chorton> Ubuntu itself does for sure.
[07:47] <chorton> And it's easy to add kubuntu-desktop with apt-get once you have that installed.
[07:47] <chorton> If you want  to try that.
[07:48] <sadf> hm ok, i'll try it with regular ubuntu
[07:48] <chorton> Sorry, I'm pretty new myself.
[07:48] <chorton> I've made enough mistakes to become familiar with the installer.
[07:49] <shore> how do i stop/start services? i'm used to fedora.
[07:49] <nickrud> shore, invoke-rc.d <service> <start|stop|etc>
[07:49] <shore> nickrud, thank you
[07:50] <maney> good <your time of day>!  this isn't strictly an Ubuntu question, but is there some setting I'm overlooking to lose the stupid "windows shrinks into panel" effect when minimizing a window?  Is that tied to the theme, naybe?
[07:52] <ompaul> maney, you could look at animation as a setting, I believe it to be the route of removing the effect about which you type
[07:52] <shore> can adsl be configured/controlled through system | Administration | network?
[07:52] <maney> ompaul: where would I find that?  if I'd seen anything labeled "animation" I'd have been all over it
[07:53] <maris> hello
[07:54] <maris> testing this connection...can anyone recieve this??
[07:54] <gleng> maney, in the configuration editor, go to apps - panel - global. There's a checkbox in there for enable_animations
[07:55] <maris> quit
[07:55] <shore> hi maris
[07:55] <shore> too late
[07:55] <maney> gleng: thanks.  I was afraid it was probably hiding somewhere int he registry.  Sometimes I wonder why I'm running Gnome's version of Windows...
[07:55] <aluno> rttttttkkkkkkkkkyjhhhhhhhhhhssrrrgggggghhh
[07:55] <aluno> zzkkkkkkkkkuuhhhffffffjjjgggllhhhddddd
[07:55] <aluno> hdffffffffiiggzzzddddddddkhhhhhhhhxxxx
[07:55] <aluno> ggggghhhhhhhhhzzzzdddddddddddddddh
[07:55] <aluno> ddddddddddfhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhdddddfffhhhhhh
[07:55] <aluno> dddfyhhhhhhhrrrrrrtttttttuuuuuuuuuuuuu
[07:55] <aluno> uuuuuiiiiiii
[07:55] <aluno> yhhhhhhjjjjjdddddgghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[07:56] <aluno> fffffffffeeeeeeeeeeeeeefffffffeeeeeeeeeeeee
[07:56] <aluno> ooooooooooiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[07:56] <aluno> oiiiiiiii
[07:56] <aluno> fggggggggggghhhhhhhhfxxxxgggggggggggggghhhhhhhh
[07:56] <aluno> hhhhhHHUUUAAAAAAAAAASHHHHHHUUUUUAAAAAHHHHHhhddddduuUUAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[07:56] <magdeburger> mindestens
[07:56] <aluno> HUUDDDDDDDHHHHHAAAUUUUUUUUUUUuuhhhuUUUUUUUUUAAAAA
[07:56] <gleng> Hmm, it doesn't appear to disable the minimizing/maximizing animations though :)
[07:56] <maney> oh bother!
[07:56] <shore> gleng, do the settings take effect immediately or do you have to log out and back in?
[07:57] <gleng> It's _usually_ immediate. But it can't hurt to try logging out and in.
[07:58] <ompaul> maney, I am looking for it, I found something that aluded to that a while ago
[07:58] <shore> Does ppp0 show up in the networking tool?
[07:58] <icewt> maney, you can disable it by running gconf-editor and checking /apps/metacity/general/reduced_resources. but it has other not-so-desirable effects too
[07:58] <troy> is there any way to create a custom install CD using a different kernel?
[07:59] <Amaranth> Next time someone is flooding like that please say '!ops' (no quotes).
[07:59] <maney> oh man, there's a whole mess of "animations" keys in this thing.  never mind, easier to switch to XP where I'm pretty sure it's a configurable option.  Not!
[08:00] <Amaranth> troy: It's mostly undocumented and not many have done it, but yeah.
[08:00] <sadf> where can i manually download xfce4.2 packages for ubuntu?
[08:00] <troy> Amaranth: would I follow the docs for the custom live cd but using a different set of seeds?
[08:00] <maney> I found another one that does nothing, and one that can't be touched because it's slaved to the theme.  I'll bet the latter is the problem.
[08:00] <Amaranth> troy: no idea
[08:00] <johny5> What is the default root password?
[08:00] <Gabriel> how do I configure an eth0?
[08:01] <Amaranth> troy: i know it is very non-trivial
[08:01] <magdeburger> gute n8 @ all, schlaft gut und traeumt was schnes
[08:01] <troy> it's the only way I'd be able to install on one of my machines... 2.6.10 doesn't have working IDE drivers
[08:01] <shore> johny5, i think there is no root password - everything is done using sudo
[08:01] <johny5> but there has to be a way to log in as root...
[08:01] <maney> thanks guys!  it's not worth any more trouble - i can always go back to icewm or some other less all-encompassing frameworkt aht doesn't restrict me so much if I decide I cna't stand it.  :-/
[08:01] <gleng> johny5, there isn't one. But you can create one with 'sudu passwd'.
[08:01] <johny5> Gabriel: ifconfig
[08:02] <gasman> johny5, its scrambeled, you can change it if you do sudo passwd
[08:02] <gleng> *sudo
[08:02] <johny5> Ok, thanks gleng
[08:02] <Gabriel> thanx johny5
[08:02] <johny5> no problem Gabriel
[08:03] <shore> johny5, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[08:03] <johny5> Just took care of it, thanks shore
[08:03] <Gabriel> with ifconfig it shows only "lo", while I need eth0...
[08:03] <Gabriel> how come?
[08:03] <johny5> ifconfig --help will give you commands
[08:04] <Gabriel> thx... will be back ;-)
[08:04] <johny5> to bring up eth0, you'll wanna do "ifconfig up eth0"
[08:05] <MartenH> What software is recomended for a webcam?
[08:05] <andrew> Hi all, looking for installation advice on Compaq Proliant 5000 server
[08:05] <gleng> Gabriel, try ifconfig eth0 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx, where xxxs = the ip address you want.
[08:05] <MartenH> To start just to show it on screen, later possibly upload to a server through ftp
[08:06] <shore> MartenH, GnomeMeeting?
[08:06] <MartenH> shore, ok, I'll look at that. Found a mentioneing of xawtv too, is that any good?
[08:07] <chrissturm> do i need restricted modules for a usb webcam to work?
[08:07] <shore> MartenH, dont know - never tried it
[08:08] <uboyo> hi, I set rhythmbox to look through my homedir for stuff, but after a while, the system has become really sluggish. gkrellm says there's no swap space free, and I can't ssh in; am I out of luck?
[08:09] <andrew> Installation keeps hanging at RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0. Anybody have an idea?
[08:10] <Gabriel> how would I be able to pass files from my computer to a MiniDisc? Digtally...
[08:12] <dabaR> dude, stop spamming
[08:12] <johny5> Gabriel: ...last I checked all you could do is rearrange tracks on MD from Linux
[08:13] <shore> gleng, i notice in my log while using gconfd-editor that the config files are non-writeable and that the settings cannot be saved
[08:13] <tim> whats the command that will bring me through the steps of making a new xorg.conf?
[08:13] <shore> gleng, maybe that's why your settings didn't get saved
[08:13] <gleng> That's a bit odd.
[08:14] <dabaR> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:14] <dabaR> I believe that is what you want
[08:14] <turkuaz> why isn't there any i386 iso's on cdimage.ubuntu.com
[08:14] <tim> dabaR, thats it...thx
[08:15] <gleng> shore, I'll chown -R my home directory to be safe :)
[08:15] <dabaR> turkuaz: why are you looking at that site?
[08:15] <Amaranth> turkuaz: because i386 building is broken
[08:15] <dabaR> seems like some weird up to date thing.
[08:15] <shore> gleng, see log at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/878
[08:15] <turkuaz> Amaranth, thx
[08:16] <dabaR> Amaranth: whats up? whats new?
[08:16] <dabaR> if anything that is.
[08:16] <Amaranth> dabaR: ?
[08:16] <dabaR> any new and exciting programs or whatever?
[08:16] <Amaranth> http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg-devel/loading_everything.png
[08:16] <Amaranth> heh
[08:16] <Amaranth> oh, and smeg is in GNOME CVS now
[08:16] <Amaranth> that's about it
[08:17] <shore> is there any talk of adding support for DSL interfaces to the networking tool?
[08:17] <Amaranth> shore: you mean pppoe?
[08:17] <Amaranth> there is some tool for that...
[08:17] <shore> Amaranth, yes
[08:17] <Amaranth> i think you run pppoeconf in a terminal
[08:17] <Davey> Amaranth!
[08:17] <Amaranth> hey Davey
[08:18] <shore> yes, that did work fine. however it would fail if eth0 was set to "unconfigured" in networking
[08:18] <Davey> Amaranth, wheres my Smeg 0.8? :)
[08:18] <dabaR> pretty cool.
[08:18] <gleng> shore, that's really strange. I thought it saved all your personal gconf settings under ~/.gconfd
[08:18] <Amaranth> Davey: http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg-devel/loading_everything.png <--in progress
[08:18] <dabaR> Amaranth: pretty cool, that is.
[08:18] <Davey> Amaranth, copy and paste btw? ::)
[08:18] <Amaranth> Davey: ?
[08:18] <Belutz> is it ok to help translating on launchpad ?
[08:18] <Davey> Amaranth, possible?
[08:18] <shore> gleng, i was surprised also
[08:19] <Amaranth> Belutz: you mean in rosetta?
[08:19] <Belutz> Amaranth: yup
[08:19] <Amaranth> Davey: It was before my HD crashed and I had to start over.
[08:19] <Amaranth> Belutz: Please do.
[08:19] <Belutz> Amaranth: ok i will
[08:19] <gleng> shore, maybe that's just a warning that it's not writing to the system defaults or something.
[08:19] <Davey> Amaranth, add it back :)
[08:20] <Amaranth> Davey: Yesterday I did in one day what took me one month before, I'm taking a break. :P
[08:20] <Belutz> Amaranth: i have a dillema right now...
[08:20] <shore> gleng, the message is quite misleading then, because it says "saving will not be possible"
[08:20] <Davey> Amaranth, pfft
[08:20] <Belutz> Amaranth: my friends keep telling me to use FreeBSD, what a good reason to stay using ubuntu?
[08:21] <Amaranth> Belutz: It works?
[08:21] <Tomcat_> Belutz: Works out of the box, Community? :)
[08:21] <gleng> shore, hmm, who knows. Well, as long as everything's working ok, I think I'll leave it well enough alone :)
[08:21] <Amaranth> Belutz: You're more likely to find a driver for Linux than FreeBSD?
[08:21] <Amaranth> Belutz: We have the latest versions of X and GNOME as they release (and before)?
[08:22] <Amaranth> Belutz: We have this awesome community?
[08:22] <Amaranth> Belutz: Should I go on? :)
[08:22] <Belutz> Amaranth: i haven't installed FreeBSD on my laptop yet... just trying it using FreeSBIE
[08:22] <Belutz> Amaranth: please do go on
[08:22] <shore> How can i prevent eth0 from being brought up at boot and yet still have it available for pppoeconf to start?
[08:23] <Amaranth> Belutz: Things like smeg, bum, gtk-wifi, etc are all created around Ubuntu so Ubuntu users get them first?
[08:23] <Belutz> erisco: hai... :)
[08:23] <erisco> hello, i was wondering how to get a shh daemon on ubuntu
[08:23] <lasse> hey
[08:23] <shore> has anyone seen the message "Parallel port lp0 busy, will retry in 30 seconds"
[08:23] <zAo^> lo lasse
[08:23] <Amaranth> erisco: openssh-server
[08:23] <cefx> I hate the 2.6.12.3 kernel.
[08:24] <DekaPink> I wish I knew why fglrx doesn't let me use totem and mplayer. :3
[08:24] <Belutz> Amaranth: ic... hmm i've been googling.. i've doubt my ipw2200 will work out of the box in FreeBSD
[08:24] <highvoltage> cefx: the whole 2.6.12 range sux
[08:24] <Amaranth> Belutz: See? That's the kind of stuff I'm talking about.
[08:24] <shore> my printer doesn't work and that is the status message in the printer config
[08:24] <zAo^> DekaPink, messages?
[08:24] <Amaranth> cefx, highvoltage: The 2.6.12 kernels are the best I've had yet.
[08:24] <Amaranth> Davey: btw, like my logo?
[08:24] <gleng> erisco, 'sudo apt-get install ssh' should sort it out for you.
[08:25] <Davey> Amaranth, where?
[08:25] <cefx> Amaranth: I'm running Slackware with the 2.6.12.3...and have had problems ever since moving from 2.4.
[08:25] <cefx> :/
[08:25] <Amaranth> Davey: http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg-devel/loading_everything.png
[08:25] <Davey> the menu with the tools? yeah :)
[08:25] <Belutz> Amaranth: if... and only if i'm trying to install FreeBSD on my laptop, how do i back up my ubuntu setting? just copy the whole /home/$USERS directory?
[08:25] <zAo^> I do Amaranth  :)
[08:25] <Davey> though your shadow doesn't work :)
[08:26] <Amaranth> Belutz: yeah, making a backup of /home should work
[08:26] <DekaPink> zAo^,  I switched back to the default driver, so I can't check right now... but I know that when I tried to use mplayer/gmplayer under it, it told me it couldn't load /dev/3dfx or something :3
[08:26] <Amaranth> Davey: I stole it from the tools icon. :)
[08:26] <zAo^> DekaPink, hmm. I used fglrx on Hoary with Totem; no probs
[08:26] <zAo^> lol
[08:26] <Amaranth> Davey: I just made the goofy little menu and put another icon on top of it.
[08:26] <Belutz> Amaranth: and after i installed ubuntu again, just copy the whole home dir? it will works fine?
[08:26] <Amaranth> Belutz: yeah, that should work
[08:27] <DekaPink> zAo^,  yeah, when I try to open totem with it on, it just says 'resource busy or unavailable.'
[08:27] <zAo^> dont forget the ~/.*
[08:27] <zAo^> DekaPink, what said glxinfo | grep render?
[08:27] <adilfulara> help me installing ubuntu
[08:27] <cefx> My friend feels that it's the udev in the 2.6 kernel since it's currently in active dev.  Anyways...right now, whenever I say, type things into IRC for chatting it's as if caps lock is on -- but it's not.  Also, my left click no longer behaves like left click..it right clicks when I left click.
[08:27] <Belutz> Amaranth: ic thx :) and also thx for the lovely smeg :D
[08:27] <cefx> e.g. -- a is A, 3 is #, , is <.  I do not have caps lock on, either.
[08:28] <Amaranth> cefx: You're complaining about Slackware's bad 2.6.x kernel support in #ubuntu?
[08:28] <cefx> No.
[08:28] <adilfulara> help some1
[08:28] <zAo^> lol
[08:28] <cefx> I'm complaining about the 2.6.x kernel.
[08:28] <zAo^> adilfulara, shoot
[08:28] <DekaPink> I don't recall. :3 Oh, well... I don't really have much need for it, I hardly play any games. :3
[08:28] <cefx> Wondering if anyone has any ideas. :)
[08:28] <erisco> i need a secure shell daemon
[08:28] <Amaranth> cefx: You've installed a fresh hoary install on the same machine and these things happen?
[08:28] <cefx> Nod
[08:28] <Amaranth> erisco: openssh-server
[08:28] <zAo^> DekaPink, dont you miss the 2D openGL?
[08:28] <adilfulara> installing ubuntu
[08:28] <erisco> that command did not work amaranth
[08:28] <Amaranth> cefx: Your hardware is screwy :P
[08:28] <cefx> I'm tempted to try Debian Sin.
[08:29] <cefx> sid
[08:29] <Amaranth> cefx: file a bug in bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[08:29] <adilfulara> keepng my windows
[08:29] <cefx> kk
[08:29] <Amaranth> erisco: That's a package to install.
[08:29] <cefx> Well
[08:29] <erisco> oh okay
[08:29] <cefx> I'm gonna try another install.
[08:29] <zAo^> erisco, /etc/inet.d/sshd start
[08:29] <LowBit_> anyone know how to change the reso in slax?
[08:29] <cefx> (of ubuntu)
[08:29] <DekaPink> zAo^, I... have no idea. lol
[08:29] <adilfulara> so how to do
[08:29] <Amaranth> slax?
[08:29] <sadf> does anybody know where i can manually download ubuntu packages? (e.g. xfce4.2)
[08:30] <erisco> zao, there was no such file or directory
[08:30] <lee> anybody around that uses the skype-provided skype .deb?  I can login to the website just fine, but I can't login via the skype app, just says incorrect password, is anybody having the same problem?
[08:30] <Amaranth> sadf: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/
[08:30] <erisco> amaranth, i already have that package installed
[08:30] <LowBit_> Amaranth: yeah its a live cd distro
[08:30] <adilfulara> amar advice
[08:30] <Amaranth> LowBit_: This is an Ubuntu help channel, not a slax help channel. :)
[08:31] <LowBit_> yeah but there is only one person in the slax channel :P
[08:31] <cefx> Amaranth has to be the most polite op in a linux channel I've seen.
[08:31] <adilfulara> have got 5.04 do i need to remove windows
[08:31] <Amaranth> LowBit_: No one here has ever used it. You should get the Ubuntu live cd.
[08:31] <adilfulara> ?
[08:31] <Dr_Willis> adilfulara,  'need' ?  no.
[08:31] <zAo^> erisco, /etc/init.d/ssh start
[08:31] <LowBit_> ok some help on ubuntu then, which of these http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/download.php?lang=en should I use for ubuntu install
[08:32] <Dr_Willis> adilfulara,  you do need some unallocated free drive space however to install it.
[08:32] <gleng> It's always preferable though :)
[08:32] <LowBit_> Amaranth: I have heaps of ubuntu cd's :P I ordered them off the site
[08:32] <adilfulara> l have dr
[08:32] <Amaranth> cefx: I'm supposed to set a good example for the community. :)
[08:32] <zAo^> lol
[08:32] <erisco> test
[08:32] <cefx> Hmm.  Is the amd64 arch of Ubuntu any good?
[08:32] <adilfulara> dr i dont know ne commands
[08:32] <deprave> what's the software for making a telco system on a linux box?
[08:33] <zAo^> cefx, yes, but no Flash
[08:33] <mjr> cefx, yes
[08:33] <Amaranth> LowBit_: http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/download/eciadsl-usermode_0.10-1_i386.deb might work
[08:33] <cefx> By good, I mean, is it developed enough that a newbie like me can use it, or is it merely for a veteran user who can code up any problems they run into?
[08:33] <LowBit_> thanks Amaranth
[08:33] <adilfulara> heard that installatin requirs commands
[08:33] <lee> or for the matter, the skype .tar.gz that they provide, that's doing exactly the same thing...
[08:33] <Amaranth> cefx: Well, it's not biarch so you'll be pure 64-bit.
[08:33] <cefx> lee: odd
[08:34] <lee> annoying, I need to call the US!
[08:34] <adilfulara> dr?
[08:34] <Dr_Willis> adilfulara, I  normally boot up a live cd like http://www.sysresccd.org/   rescue cd and use their 'qt_parted" program to resize an existing windows partition.  or use a 2nd hard drive.
[08:34] <cefx> Amaranth: Hmm.  Still not a lot of Apps in 64-bit, but it's worth a shot no?
[08:34] <cefx> experience is learning, I guess.
[08:34] <struggler> Can someone tell me how to get esvn to save settings across sessions?
[08:34] <LowBit_> Amaranth: actually I know which one I need and its down the bottom, thats the one which supports my modem, but I'm going to bed now, i'll install it in the morning
[08:34] <Amaranth> cefx: As long as you don't want flash, java, etc you should be ok.
[08:34] <mjr> cefx, depends on what you mean by "apps"; most free stuff is, of course, available as 64-bit
[08:34] <LowBit_> thanks for the help though
[08:35] <Amaranth> LowBit_: no problem, good night
[08:35] <adilfulara> is it same like fc3
[08:35] <mjr> Amaranth, actually, sun does provide a jdk for linux/amd64
[08:35] <Amaranth> mjr: That's new.
[08:35] <TonNgoKhong> fuck
[08:35] <TonNgoKhong> fuck Amaranth
[08:35] <TonNgoKhong> hmm
[08:35] <Amaranth> *cough*
[08:35] <chrissturm> i think theres also one from bea
[08:35] <zAo^> :)
[08:35] <Amaranth> Please don't swar.
[08:35] <Amaranth> err, swear
[08:36] <benplaut> don't swar either
[08:36] <chrissturm> is ubuntu 64 bit considerably faster than 32 bit on an amd64?
[08:36] <deprave> yeah swaring isn't kosher
[08:36] <struggler> What is the most stable gui for subversion?
[08:36] <ankur> Hi, I cannot use Ctrl+Alt+F1-F6 to switch to virtual terminals
[08:36] <apokryphos> chrissturm: of course
[08:36] <ankur> could someone help?
[08:36] <zAo^> ankur, Breezy>?
[08:36] <sadf> thank you, Amaranth :)
[08:36] <cefx> You know.
[08:36] <cefx> I'm going to become a terminal ninja.
[08:36] <apokryphos> ankur: not without knowing the problem
[08:36] <chrissturm> struggler, i like scm, but its a java app
[08:36] <ankur> zAo^, nope, hoary
[08:36] <cefx> Screw X.
[08:37] <Amaranth> TonNgoKhong: Mr. 203.210.230.68 on mIRC. :P
[08:37] <chrissturm> apokryphos, how many percent faster?
[08:37] <cefx> I'll use this laptop to watch my media. ;D
[08:37] <ankur> apokryphos, I cannot use Ctrl+Alt+F1-F6 to switch to virtual terminals
[08:37] <apokryphos> chrissturm: incomparably faster ;-)
[08:37] <apokryphos> ankur: do your F keys not have a lock on them?
[08:38] <apokryphos> TonNgoKhong: please don't spam
[08:38] <ankur> how do I check that...
[08:38] <TonNgoKhong> yes yes
[08:38] <TonNgoKhong> plz join now
[08:38] <Amaranth> Did he memoserv you too?
[08:38] <TonNgoKhong> Thanks
[08:38] <struggler> chrissturm: scm? I havent seen that one
[08:38] <apokryphos> Amaranth: yes
[08:38] <chrissturm> apokryphos, hmm, emt64 has more registers, but i dont see why it should be that much faster
[08:38] <chrissturm> struggler, http://www.jessies.org/~enh/software/scm/
[08:38] <Amaranth> TonNgoKhong: This is not the place to advertise your server.
[08:38] <apokryphos> ankur: not sure how it is for you, but I have a "Lock" button on my keyboard. Can lock up my F buttons sometimes
[08:38] <zAo^> Amaranth, dont we need more ops?
[08:39] <Amaranth> zAo^: Why? I'm here. :)
[08:39] <apokryphos> zAo^: other have the powers, but not on them
[08:39] <cefx> Are you here 24/7?
[08:39] <LowBit_zzz> owned
[08:39] <cefx> Maybe Amaranth is one of those robots.
[08:39] <ankur> apokryphos, well my function keys were working till now..just now stopped working..though I didnt make any changes.
[08:39] <apokryphos> ankur: does the problem persist if you restart your X?
[08:39] <Amaranth> cefx: Nope, but we have a lot more ops.
[08:39] <Amaranth> We usually hide though.
[08:40] <tim> apokryphos, I'm not using ubuntu 64-bit right now due to me wanting things like flash and windows codecs, do you expect those things will be out and easy to install now that they have released a 64-bit windows? (i know thats a pretty damn hard question, just curious as to what u think)
[08:40] <cefx> Oh cool.
[08:40] <chrissturm> after all this is not efnet
[08:40] <cefx> :)
[08:40] <Dr_Willis> heh - yea - theres those newer keyvbords that boot up wth the F keys in their "multimedia" keyboard state.. VERY annoying.
[08:40] <cefx> EFNet is full of jackasses.
[08:40] <apokryphos> tim: no idea how long it will take. Though you can create a chroot environment for that stuff I believe if you really need 'em
[08:40] <Amaranth> cefx: Please don't start that. :P
[08:40] <Dr_Willis> tim,  the 64bit windows stuff has very little to do with them actually making 64bit ports of the linux bits. :P
[08:40] <cefx> Oops.
[08:41] <Dr_Willis> tim,  they take theyr own sweet time sadly. They could of had 64bit flash and so forth out befor.
[08:41] <cefx> Well, I'm actually an efnetter :) so I'm one of those jackasses.
[08:41] <ankur> apokryphos, yes the problem persists...and few more problems start..like services hang, alsa problems and all
[08:41] <chrissturm> cefx,  do you have a big botnet? :P
[08:41] <cefx> I want to try the 64bit build just to benchmark it.
[08:42] <apokryphos> ankur: :|
[08:42] <necrogami> Anyone here have Cisco Equipment w/ IOS Software? If so .. you should read this ... [14:11]  *dose* ftp://62.213.204.106/michael_lynn_cisco_hole.pdf
[08:42] <apokryphos> ankur: hm, sorry I wouldn't know; I'd only make guesses
[08:42] <Amaranth> necrogami: ...
[08:43] <deprave> what's the software for making a telco system on a linux box?
[08:43] <ankur> apokryphos, okay..thanks anywaya
[08:43] <ankur> apokryphos, okay..thanks anyways*
[08:43] <necrogami> Amaranth: Your loss
[08:44] <cefx> ....
[08:44] <cefx> that's pretty old news, necrogami
[08:44] <cefx> Like...last week.
[08:44] <necrogami> still getting out the word
[08:45] <cefx> i'm sure if they browsed the web at all and owned that they'd know
[08:46] <anacron> binary or source file?
[08:46] <anacron> which one works better, or doesn't work or is easier to install, someone?
[08:47] <cefx> source
[08:47] <cefx> be a man :)
[08:49] <benplaut> what the?!
[08:51] <DekaPink> Now I have no choice but to get a new one, as of course, I only had just the one shirt. :3 Now I -have- to get an Ubuntu shirt.
[08:51] <DekaPink> ... and maybe a thong while I'm at it. :P
[08:53] <basse> hehe
[08:53] <basse> isnt this supposed to be a help channel and not a t-shirt chatting channel :P
[08:54] <Harold> Morning, all!
[08:54] <levander> Where is this ubuntu artwork that I keep hearing so much about? Can I view it online?
[08:54] <levander> Want to see the december wallpaper people are talking about.
[08:55] <basse> yeah, where is it?
[08:55] <Amaranth> hehe
[08:55] <Amaranth> ubuntu-calendar-december
[08:55] <benplaut> !info ubuntu-calender
[08:55] <Amaranth> !info ubuntu-calendar-december
[08:55] <ubotu> ubuntu-calendar-december: (Ubuntu calendar artwork for December), section gnome, is optional. Version: 4.12 (hoary), Packaged size: 381 kB, Installed size: 560 kB
[08:55] <benplaut> ahhh
[08:55] <levander> Can I view it online without downloading it?
[08:55] <Amaranth> levander: No.
[08:56] <apokryphos> levander: it's on gnome-look, isn't it?
[08:56] <basse> when you view it, you download it :P
[08:56] <levander> apokryphos: no idea
[08:56] <D1> ehhh, totem doesn't output sound but everything else does. what can be wrong?
[08:56] <Amaranth> now, leave me alone so i can work on smeg :)
[08:56] <apokryphos> another reason to get a gnome/kde-look search for ubotu
[08:56] <benplaut> OK, everyone leave amaranth alone
[08:56] <benplaut> we need our Smeg :D
[08:56] <D1> Amaranth, is the official gnome-menu-editor based on smeg?
[08:57] <D1> or inspired by it
[08:57] <D1> it looks just like it.
[08:57] <benplaut> the interface is similar
[08:57] <benplaut> but it doesn't look very full-featured
[08:57] <Amaranth> D1: We both worked off the same sketch by a GNOME usability guy.
[08:57] <D1> ah
[08:57] <chrissturm> when is ejbCreate called? when i deploy the bean or when i access it?
[08:57] <chrissturm> oops, sorry
[08:57] <Harold> Yesterday I removed a ton of packages, and now my wireless connection isn't working.
[08:57] <zAo^> lol
[08:58] <levander> that's what the fuss is about, that pic is nothing
[08:58] <basse> leave Amaranth be, he's coding some nice stuff
[08:58] <Amaranth> levander: *shrug*
[08:59] <Harold> Anyone know how to perform a server install over a standard install?
[08:59] <dabaR> Amaranth: looks nice, that smeg screenshot. Is that eh milk theme for window borders?
[09:00] <Amaranth> dabaR: no, this is clearlooks-deepsky
[09:00] <dabaR> hey Harold . I dont think you can do that, remove everything.
[09:01] <dabaR> looks nice.
[09:01] <DekaPink> Huh... Where do I find that december calendar after I apt-get it? :P lol
[09:01] <Harold> dabaR, So you're saying a server install will remove everything?
[09:01] <Amaranth> DekaPink: change desktop background
[09:02] <Harold> dabaR, Morning, debaR.  (Or 'night, wherever you are.)
[09:02] <DekaPink> Amaranth, yeah... That's what I thought... but... It's not there? :3
[09:02] <D1> ok, so mpegs don't have sound. do I need to install anything for megs to have sound? wmv's work and have sound, but mpegs dont with totem-xine
[09:03] <tikka> testing
[09:03] <Goodspeed> where can i find soundcard drivers for linux?
[09:04] <Goodspeed> i just installed linux for the first time
[09:04] <highvoltage> Goodspeed: congrats!
[09:04] <Fanskapet> hmm anyone used the xfce samba-browser in Ubuntu?
[09:05] <benplaut> i'm sure someone has
[09:05] <basse_> I've used it on gentoo, I think
[09:05] <Goodspeed> how do you install libraries?
[09:05] <Goodspeed> such as libusb
[09:05] <skalpel> so i am fine.
[09:06] <benplaut> Goodspeed: why do you need them?
[09:06] <Goodspeed> for my mp3 player
[09:06] <Goodspeed> its a creative jukebox
[09:06] <phixion> how do i go about burning an mp3 cd through the linux kernel?
[09:06] <basse_> sudo apt-get install libusb-0.1-4
[09:07] <Goodspeed> wow
[09:07] <D1> I would suggest compiling your own libnjb
[09:07] <phixion> how do i go about burning an mp3 cd through the linux kernel? - anyone please help!
[09:07] <D1> the one in universe is so outdated..
[09:07] <Goodspeed> the terminal is so intimidating
[09:07] <Goodspeed> :(
[09:08] <Harold> Anyone: Where are source.list located again?
[09:08] <Harold> I always forget.
[09:08] <johny5> Anyone in here us synce?
[09:08] <D1> phixion, burning should work out of the box
[09:08] <skalpel> does soun juicer support cddb? it does not look like it does
[09:08] <D1> choose your burning app
[09:08] <johndotcom> hello ubuntu
[09:08] <Harold> What's a good way to remember things?
[09:08] <redlounge> hi. how can i find the process which blocks a file? /proc/acpi/events
[09:08] <Harold> johndotcom, Hello
[09:08] <Goodspeed> under device manager my sound card shows up but i hear no sound...
[09:08] <TheSin> anyone know the pkg name to enable open transtor on ubuntu?
[09:08] <skalpel> is there a ripper that supports cddb?
[09:08] <TheSin> err open transport that is
[09:08] <dabaR> Harold: `/etc/apt
[09:08] <johndotcom> im having problems with my wireless
[09:09] <Fanskapet> yes sure someone has :D
[09:09] <phixion> D1 - I have k3b / gnomebaker and graveman, i cant find "mp3 cd" anywhere in them, they do normal audio only it seems
[09:09] <dabaR> as for the server install, well, I mean, do you have  your data and programs/OS on separate partitions?
[09:09] <Fanskapet> well let me put it this way since noone understand me
[09:09] <basse_> Harold: "What's a good way to remember things?" Tomboy!
[09:09] <Fanskapet> :D
[09:09] <Baosen> Is there a program that do that u can Click and Install programs without using Terminal?
[09:09] <Fanskapet> "have anyone had troubles using the xfce-samba browser!?" :D
[09:09] <Harold> dabaR, I logged out for a minute, so I missed any responses you may have posted here.  Were you saying that I would be removing everything if I performed a server install?
[09:10] <dabaR> did not post, saw you logged out.
[09:10] <anacron> can you guys give some good theme's, since it looks like can decide which one to take :D
[09:10] <Fanskapet> and anyone know how to mount a USB-harddrive in xfce (automaticly when plugging it in)
[09:10] <ompaul> Baosen, synaptic - system - administration synaptic
[09:10] <TheSin> Baosen, synaptic?
[09:10] <dabaR> do you have data and OS on separate partitions on the hard disk?
[09:10] <dennis_> grip supports cddb
[09:10] <Baosen> No, click and install like windows?
[09:10] <ompaul> Baosen, that is what I pointed you to
[09:10] <Baosen> No click and install like windows?
[09:11] <TheSin> why would you want anything like windows?
[09:11] <Baosen> well, ok
[09:11] <TheSin> pkg management is mucho better
[09:11] <johndotcom> anyone know anything about getting a pcmcia card with Atheros 5212 3Com a/b/g wireless to work correctly
[09:11] <dabaR> Baosen: similar, better.
[09:11] <ompaul>  Baosen orders of magnitude better
[09:11] <Baosen> ????
[09:11] <Goodspeed> is there like a linux drivers.com or something?
[09:11] <ompaul> Baosen, use it tell us what you think
[09:11] <Harold> dabaR, No, I don't, but I don't have much data on here yet.
[09:12] <dabaR> reainstall. I think.
[09:12] <Harold> dabaR, I may finish up one project before doing this.  How do I perform a server install?  Don't want to from the CD, since I don't have a CD-ROM drive.
[09:13] <JaZy84> where can i find the source list for ppc
[09:13] <skalpel> is there a ripper that supports cddb?
[09:13] <Baosen> I'm using Windows XP now (Cause the most games support Windows :)), well i used Synaptic when i used Linux, is great and easy program
[09:13] <Harold> JanC, I'm on PPC.
[09:13] <Harold> JaZy84, Oops, I meant your name.
[09:13] <Goodspeed> how do i open a .run???
[09:14] <JaZy84> do you know where i can get list of apt sources
[09:14] <nomis_> Goodspeed, chmod +x bla.run   and then ./bla.run
[09:14] <Harold> JaZy84, One second, I'll check
[09:14] <Carneus> hi, can anyone tell me how can i save current routing table configuration as default one?
[09:14] <JaZy84> ty
[09:14] <Carneus> or where i can find configuration files for them
[09:14] <kaffeend> hey everyone
[09:15] <D1> JayZ84. www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:15] <Harold> JaZy84, How do you mean, exactly?  I just used the regular sources list to install on my PowerBook G3.
[09:15] <redlounge> i want to tar /proc/acpi/event and dont get it. any help? thx...
[09:15] <JaZy84> ty dl
[09:15] <kaffeend> Could anyone help a n00by n00b please?
[09:15] <D1> grrr, I can't get sound in my mpeg files. anyone know what to do? wmv works fine.
[09:16] <Goodspeed> how can you run an installer if there is no root in ubuntu?
[09:16] <dabaR> sudo installer
[09:16] <dabaR> Goodspeed: /msg ubotu root
[09:16] <dabaR> if your nick is registered with niuckserv
[09:16] <ompaul> kaffeend, could a person say what they wanted and then maybe just maybe an answer would be given, because right now I do not know if I can assist :)
[09:16] <johndotcom> someone that knows how to get the Atheros pcmcia wireless cards working, pm me
[09:17] <Harold> JaZy84, Here's the installation wiki for PowerPC: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/PowerPC?highlight=%28powerpc%29
[09:17] <Harold> JaZy84, Let me know if that helps you.
[09:17] <kaffeend> I tried to install Ubuntu from boot up and it went to xp login as usual
[09:17] <kaffeend> sry I type real slow
[09:17] <JaZy84> su
[09:17] <ompaul> kaffeend,  not a problem
[09:18] <ompaul> kaffeend,  so is it the machine you are on at the moment?
[09:18] <kaffeend> I have made the boot disc with the .ISO image and nada
[09:18] <kaffeend> yes
[09:18] <nomis_> Goodspeed, use sudo
[09:18] <Goodspeed> what does that mean?
[09:18] <Goodspeed> its a .run
[09:18] <ompaul> kaffeend, okay so it did not boot the installer for you?
[09:18] <Goodspeed> i followed what nomis said
[09:18] <kaffeend> ompaul No
[09:18] <dabaR> prepend sudo to the command you are running to give it root proivileges
[09:19] <kaffeend> it opens in win RAR tho lol
[09:19] <dabaR> then type in your passsword when prompted
[09:19] <dabaR> wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[09:19] <ompaul> kaffeend, did you set your bios to get the machine to boot from CDRom ?
[09:19] <kaffeend> ompaul>> also - never used linux b4
[09:19] <kaffeend> yes I did
[09:20] <kaffeend> then I tried to do it floppy, cd, hd 0
[09:20] <Carneus> hi, can anyone tell me how can i save current routing table configuration as default one?
[09:20] <ompaul> kaffeend, so it looks like you did not burn the CD you wanted, it burnt a toaster :)
[09:20] <Carneus> or where i can find configuration files for them
[09:20] <kaffeend> looks that way
[09:20] <ompaul> kaffeend, or your machine is not configured correctly
[09:20] <kaffeend> but how could I fail?
[09:20] <Harold> Anyone know how to go from a standard install to a server install?  Without the CD?
[09:20] <kaffeend> AAAARRRGGGG
[09:21] <basse_> Harold, uninstasll everything thats not in the server isntall :P
[09:21] <kaffeend> xp is barely holding together here
[09:21] <Harold> basse_, Already tried that approach.  Seems to have screwed up my wireless connection.
[09:21] <kaffeend> lost system tray and task manager
[09:21] <basse_> Harold, oh well
[09:22] <flogiston> Is it possible s make gnome's start menu transparent?
[09:22] <basse_> Harold, why do you want a server install?
[09:22] <WinterWolf> a question...what are the recommended hardware for  ubuntu? Mhz ram???
[09:22] <basse_> Harold, use the computer as server?
[09:22] <Harold> basse_, I want more space on my computer; only have 2GB HD.
[09:22] <kaffeend> ompaul it is the AMD 64 .iso on the cd
[09:22] <Harold> basse_, I tried the other apprach, removing packages.  So far so good, except for my wireless connection.
[09:22] <kaffeend> I have the right chip ;)
[09:22] <skalpel> how do i change the way the mouse acts with windows in gnome?
[09:22] <Harold> basse_, Everyone keeps telling me to try a server install and then add the packages I need from there.
[09:23] <skalpel> the window switching behavior i mean
[09:23] <ompaul> kaffeend, well it did not try to boot
[09:23] <basse_> Harold, ok
[09:23] <ompaul> kaffeend, so it does not matter which one you tried
[09:23] <basse_> Harold, then do one
[09:23] <zAo^> how can I assign "back" to my middle mousebutton in Gnome?
[09:23] <evane|work> nick evane
[09:23] <kaffeend> no - any suggestions plz? could I format my hdd from within xp?
[09:23] <ompaul> kaffeend, what kind of a machine are you using?
[09:23] <Goodspeed> No kernel module build environment - please consult readme.
[09:24] <Goodspeed> i did sudo installer
[09:24] <basse_> Harold, or did you say something like, I dont have a cd drive
[09:24] <Goodspeed> that was in the log
[09:24] <kaffeend> where do I start? you want all the specs?
[09:24] <Harold> basse_, Yes, I don't have a CD drive.  So I'm wondering how to run a server install.
[09:24] <ompaul> kaffeend, no i want the processor type and how much ram you have for a start
[09:24] <basse_> Harold, then how did you get ubuntu in the first place?
[09:24] <kaffeend> AMD athlon 64 3000+, 1024mb pc 3200 DDR Ram,
[09:24] <Harold> basse_, Long story.
[09:25] <basse_> Harold, humm
[09:25] <Harold> basse_, Don't I just need to change the sources.list or something?
[09:25] <kaffeend> SATA HDD
[09:25] <basse_> Harold, same reps
[09:25] <ompaul> kaffeend, that should not stop the CD from working
[09:25] <kaffeend> which is problematic with windows setup
[09:25] <ompaul> kaffeend, it can be cruel with Linux
[09:26] <kaffeend> I can see that already
[09:26] <anacron> hmm
[09:26] <basse_> Harold, keep removing packages until your done then try getting wireless up and running
[09:26] <ompaul> kaffeend, but it is not the issue as the install did not boot at all
[09:26] <kaffeend> so I either burnt the wrong image or...
[09:26] <basse_> Harold, try to figure out which package you removed that screwed up wireless
[09:26] <ompaul> kaffeend, you burnt it wrong
[09:26] <Harold> basse_, When you uninstall packages, what are some good things to check after (to make sure everything is running okay).  For example, apt-get -f install
[09:27] <kaffeend> think I know what I did now
[09:27] <kaffeend> hehe
[09:27] <sono> friends... anyone knows about resources for reading about differences between Ubuntu's AMD64-K8 and AMD64-Generic kernel versions?
[09:27] <basse_> Harold, make sure not to remove something... bad
[09:27] <kaffeend> when I saved the image I was asked to open it with win rar by default
[09:27] <kaffeend> guess what I said?
[09:27] <Harold> basse_, Very funny.
[09:27] <cddesjar> does anyone know if there is a ubuntu package out there for ABC torrent client?
[09:27] <basse_> Harold, :P
[09:27] <Harold> basse_, I was extremely careful.
[09:27] <sono> I am trying to figure out which appeals better to my AMD64 laptop
[09:27] <ompaul> kaffeend, I have very limited knowledge of Windows
[09:28] <Harold> basse_, Everything appears to be in order except for my Wi-Fi.  Perhaps I'll need to reinstall madwifi.
[09:28] <anacron> cddesjar: if there would be, you could found it in their page
[09:28] <basse_> Harold, try
[09:28] <kaffeend> win RAR is a zip app... don't know why I'd have to open an .ISO with it?
[09:28] <JaZy84> anyone try breezy yet?
[09:29] <Harold> basse_, I'll do that.
[09:29] <benplaut> if you want to try it, get the live CD
[09:29] <klaym> hey ppl which is the best cd burning application for use on Ubuntu (gnome) ?
[09:29] <basse_> Harold, I'm not using wifi myself so I can really debug your system on tha tpoint
[09:29] <JaZy84> what kind of problems have people been experienceing
[09:29] <Harold> basse_, You mean you *can't*?
[09:29] <ompaul> kaffeend, if you don't get it right you should check this out and see if anyone can give you a hand http://www.linux.org.au/usergroups/
[09:29] <benplaut> mainly weird X
[09:29] <sono> ,said previously "friends... anyone knows about resources for reading about differences between Ubuntu's AMD64-K8 and AMD64-Generic kernel versions?"
[09:29] <basse_> Harold, you're so smart :P
[09:30] <klaym> Nautilus' default burning application can't recognize my normal cd-r
[09:30] <kaffeend> okay, thanks... also, there were two .ISO files and I got the direct download, rather than the torrent...
[09:30] <basse_> Harold, yeah, sorry for that bug :)
[09:30] <Harold> basse_, Okay, thanks, basse.  I appreciate your help.  I'm off to research my issue!
[09:30] <basse_> Harold, kk cya
[09:30] <JaZy84> k3b works in gnome also.
[09:30] <basse_> qt stuff looks like crap in a gtk environment
[09:31] <Carneus> can anyone tell me how can i save current routing table configuration as default one or where are the config files for them?
[09:31] <basse_> :P
[09:31] <benplaut> basse: apt-get install qtconfig
[09:31] <anacron> what the heck is wrong with my another ubuntu pc, sshserver won't work at all >:(
[09:31] <benplaut> hellps quite a bit
[09:31] <basse_> Carneus, back when I had gentoo there was a command
[09:31] <Carneus> do you remember what kind of command :/
[09:32] <JaZy84> why'd you switch.. i too had gentoo.
[09:32] <ompaul> klaym, I do this on the command line : 'cdrecord -pad -v dev=/dev/hdd'* your * would differ a little hdc or hdb or in very rear cases hda
[09:32] <basse_> Carneus, like /etc/init.d/iptables save or something
[09:32] <ompaul> klaym, sorry
[09:32] <kaffeend> okay, I'll go do some more homework (don't have to do that much with windows) and come back as a last resort. Thanks ompaul
[09:32] <ompaul> klaym, I do this on the command line : 'cdrecord -pad -v dev=/dev/hdd some.iso'* your * would differ a little hdc or hdb or in very rear cases hda
[09:32] <basse_> Carneus, don't know is that was some kind of gentoo hack
[09:32] <D1> hey guys, whatever happened to the RUN menu in gnome 2.12?
[09:32] <D1> I dont see it in screenshots anymore.
[09:32] <Carneus> ok, i'll try to find something like that, thanks
[09:33] <Goodspeed> how do you even begin to install alsa?
[09:34] <zAo^> D1, questioned myself (on Gnome 2.11.90)
[09:34] <skalpel> what is the best way to install netscape in ubuntu?
[09:34] <klaym> ompaul: thanks for the advice but I prefer a GUI as I'm a noob
[09:34] <basse_> benplaut, apt-get install qt3-qtconfig
[09:34] <erisco> help! i can not connect into my mysql database
[09:34] <vader1102> zAo: I will google it for you
[09:34] <erisco> it keeps saying access denied!
[09:35] <basse_> erisco, :(
[09:35] <erisco> i know..... its annoying
[09:35] <erisco> i wacked mysql and put it back in again
[09:35] <erisco> before i could just type mysql in a terminal and i was in
[09:36] <Chaotic_Shield> afternoon all
[09:36] <dabaR> yo
[09:36] <vader1102> zAo:http://www.betanews.com/article/Outsourced_Netscape_Merges_Firefox_IE/1101831853
[09:36] <basse_> benplaut, thx, nice app :)
[09:36] <Chaotic_Shield> herm.
[09:36] <zAo^> I think we should use ALT + F2
[09:37] <Chaotic_Shield> Anyone know of any music creation programs for Linux (equivalent to Stienburg, Fruity Loops, etc)
[09:37] <Chaotic_Shield> lol
[09:37] <Chaotic_Shield> look at all the quits.
[09:37] <zAo^> Chaotic_Shield, http://www.linuxlinks.com/Software/Multimedia/Sound_Synthesis/index.shtml ?
[09:38] <basse_> hehe
[09:38] <joha> H iall
[09:38] <zAo^> lo
[09:38] <benplaut> basse_: i was so annoyed with the huge and bold fonts in Skype, and then i found this... :)
[09:38] <basse_> benplaut, thx for spreading the word :)
[09:39] <Chaotic_Shield> bah.
[09:39] <joha> Does somebody know how port forwarding through an ssh tunnel works? I always get "bind: Cannot assign requested address" and "channel_setup_fwd_listener: cannot listen to port: " once I'm connected :-/
[09:39] <Chaotic_Shield> Thanks for the link. But I still wish I could use Fruity Loops on Linux. Doesn't work with wine :'(
[09:39] <robtotheb> how do u play a .bin SVCD in ubuntu?
[09:39] <Chaotic_Shield> robtotheb, tried DaemonTools?
[09:39] <MartenH> How do you set up a webcam?
[09:39] <zAo^> robtotheb, just hit: mplayer FILE.bin
[09:40] <robtotheb> dont have mplayer
[09:40] <robtotheb> totem cant do it?
[09:40] <Chaotic_Shield> sudo apt-get install mplayer
[09:40] <robtotheb> ok
[09:40] <robtotheb> thanks
[09:40] <sun_night> yparxei kanenasellhnas edo mesa?
[09:40] <basse_> mplayer rocks
[09:40] <sun_night> yparxei kanenas ellhnas edo mesa?
[09:40] <dabaR> are you chanting like that grandpa in Jqackie Chan cartoom?
[09:41] <Chaotic_Shield> does mplayer do mp3's?
[09:42] <MartenH> How do you set up a webcam in ubuntu?
[09:42] <phixion> depends, is it for cybering or business meetings?
[09:42] <phixion> :E
[09:42] <Chaotic_Shield> rofl
[09:42] <phixion> i kid, i kid! :D
[09:42] <MartenH> lol
[09:43] <Chaotic_Shield> lol\
[09:43] <MartenH> Publishing on ftp
[09:43] <Chaotic_Shield> Eminem, ass like that. Best freakin rap song ever.
[09:43] <MartenH> not "meeting" features needed so I don't think I
[09:43] <Chaotic_Shield> SO funny.
[09:43] <MartenH> will need gnomemeeting
[09:44] <Chaotic_Shield> heh
[09:44] <Chaotic_Shield> does the ubuntu-desktop do anything?
[09:44] <MartenH> I found xawtv, but can't get it to work
[09:44] <mjr> Chaotic_Shield, it pulls in other packages, nothing else
[09:44] <Chaotic_Shield> pft.
[09:44] <Chaotic_Shield> 2lose then.
[09:45] <traaf> hi there
[09:45] <saintFrance> hey guys how do i change the window color and stuff.. its all brown
[09:45] <traaf> qqun parle francais?
[09:45] <Chaotic_Shield> traaf, je parle un peu de francais.
[09:45] <traaf> ok
[09:46] <benplaut> traaf:  #ubuntu-fr
[09:46] <benplaut> i think
[09:46] <Chaotic_Shield> :)
[09:46] <traaf> tu connais bien ubuntu?
[09:46] <Chaotic_Shield> didn't know there was a french room.
[09:46] <Chaotic_Shield> oui
[09:46] <saintFrance> !theme
[09:46] <ubotu> I heard theme is http://art.gnome.org - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/
[09:46] <vader1102> System-->prefferances--->Desktop Background
[09:46] <benplaut> yup
[09:46] <snow> hi guys, do you have an advice for a good linux karaoke software
[09:47] <Chaotic_Shield> snow, Google perchance?
[09:47] <Goodspeed> i need some help installing the ati linux drivers
[09:47] <snow> note really successufl
[09:47] <benplaut> !karaoke
[09:47] <ubotu> benplaut: I don't know, could you explain it?
[09:47] <Seveas> Goodspeed: You can read all about binary-only driver issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:47] <benplaut> thought not...
[09:47] <Goodspeed> which version of xfree do i need?
[09:47] <Chaotic_Shield> tried looking searching the package list in Synaptic?
[09:47] <Seveas> Goodspeed, none
[09:47] <Seveas> Ubuntu comes with X.org
[09:47] <Razor-X> Goodspeed: we don't use XFree
[09:47] <benplaut> xorg
[09:47] <Razor-X> Ubuntu uses X.Org
[09:47] <michael__> where is modprobe.conf located
[09:47] <Seveas> and the drivers provided by ati
[09:48] <Seveas> michael__, modprobe.conf is an obsolete file and should not be used
[09:48] <Goodspeed> how do i remove the ati control panel
[09:48] <Goodspeed> that i partially installed?
[09:48] <michael__> i need to apply it to a wireless usb device
[09:49] <skalpel> can someone help me with installing the realplayer package in ubuntu? the debconf prog wants to know where real player has been downloaded to and i do not know
[09:49] <Chaotic_Shield> skalpel, have you tried doing 'sudo locate realplayer' in a terminal and seeing what comes up?
[09:49] <NixerX> How can I remove evolution with out removing the ubuntu desktop as well.
[09:49] <dabaR> skalpel: we can not know neither. Reinstall it.
[09:49] <dabaR> I mean, redownload it, and know this time where you downloaded it.
[09:49] <skalpel> dabar: i am reinstalling it.
[09:49] <Seveas> NixerX, you can't :)
[09:50] <DekaPink> Anyone know anything about using tibia in ubuntu? Hehe.
[09:50] <NixerX> f**k
[09:50] <Chaotic_Shield> NixerX, the ubuntu-desktop package does nothing but install the default packages that come with Ubuntu, it is safe to remove.
[09:50] <michael__> where is modprobe.conf
[09:50] <dabaR> NixerX: just remove both, it is fine.
[09:50] <Seveas> and the ubuntu-desktop package is not 'The Ubuntu desktop'
[09:50] <Zeroblitzt> Hello all, I have sound card issues in Ubuntu... I'm getting no sound (I have a soundblaster card), and when I try playing songs and videos they play 3-4x as fast as they should be
[09:50] <pkern> Is hoary's universe just as frozen as main when it's released?
[09:50] <Goodspeed> anyone?
[09:50] <Chaotic_Shield> It does NOT remove packages if you reamove it.
[09:50] <Chaotic_Shield> remove*
[09:50] <snow> commom guys, karaoke software?
[09:50] <skalpel> chatoc_shield: /usr/bin/realplayer
[09:50] <Seveas> pkern, yes
[09:50] <skalpel> chaotic_shield: that is it, no?
[09:50] <pkern> Seveas: Thanks.
[09:50] <Chaotic_Shield> yes that's it skalpel
[09:50] <NixerX> thanks
[09:50] <NixerX> Im gonna do it.
[09:50] <vader1102> michael__ I am looking
[09:50] <Goodspeed> |  how do i make that character?
[09:51] <NixerX> Evolution wats 100mb of VM and I dont even use it!
[09:51] <Chaotic_Shield> Shift + \
[09:51] <Chaotic_Shield> |
[09:51] <skalpel> chaotic_shield: i got this error: The file /usr/bin/realplayer/rp8_linux20_libc6_i386_cs2_rpm does not exist, or it is corrupt. You may have downloaded the wrong file, or put it in the wrong location. Please try again.
[09:51] <Chaotic_Shield> anything else come up in the locate skalpel ?
[09:51] <occy> hmm, what package is chkrootkit in?
[09:51] <skalpel> chaotic_shield: some, but not the file i am looking for.
[09:52] <Chaotic_Shield> hmm...
[09:52] <Chaotic_Shield> what are you trying to install?
[09:52] <skalpel> realplayer, through synaptic
[09:52] <pkern> And will upgrading to Breezy as in unstable kill my box or are most of the transitions done?
[09:52] <Chaotic_Shield> O_O
[09:52] <Chaotic_Shield> erm?
[09:52] <Seveas> pkern, it will kill it :)
[09:52] <Razor-X> pkern: it can kill your box software wise, yes
[09:52] <Chaotic_Shield> realplayer doesn't require realplayer to install O_O
[09:52] <pkern> Ok |:
[09:53] <pkern> Who tests Breezy then before release?
[09:53] <benplaut> developers
[09:53] <Seveas> all the developers
[09:53] <occy> and people with boxes doing nothing.
[09:53] <skalpel> chaotic_shield: this debconf program wants to configure realplayer and asks me where it was downloaded to, and i do not know.
[09:53] <Seveas> and as soon as it becomes a bit stable, a lot of others too :)
[09:53] <benplaut> and crazy people :P
[09:53] <benplaut> yeha
[09:53] <Chaotic_Shield> herm.
[09:53] <Mobius> hello everyone =)
[09:53] <occy> and crazy people.
[09:53] <pkern> Seveas: Yes, but when's this point reached?
[09:53] <occy> heh
[09:53] <benplaut> i'll test once there's a preview
[09:53] <Chaotic_Shield> well it's gay then :-P
[09:53] <skalpel> chaotic_shield: i am having alot of problems with realplayer and firefox and i am trying to fix it
[09:53] <skalpel> well that does not help me
[09:53] <benplaut> a few weeks before release?
[09:53] <Chaotic_Shield> herm.
[09:54] <pkern> Seveas: I mean... the released is scheduled for October, isn't it?
[09:54] <kraftwerk> erm.. hello? I need some help. I can't automount a disk while booting, after a "mount -a" the drive shows up again. But I have to do it every time :/ ?
[09:54] <Chaotic_Shield> Just don't use realplayer, honestly.
[09:54] <skalpel> that does not help me either
[09:54] <vader1102> michael__: I have no clue buddy
[09:54] <NixerX> Thanks guys! Got any tips on how I can yse all my ram before going to swap?
[09:54] <skalpel> i want to watch this music video.
[09:54] <NixerX> *use*
[09:54] <Chaotic_Shield> hrm.
[09:54] <skalpel> does anyone know of an irc channel that gives realplayer support?
[09:54] <michael__> the device is found when i do lsusb and the driver is found when i do lsmod
[09:54] <Mobius> I recently flashed my asus notebook's BIOS ( per reply in http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?threadid=348358 ) and now when I get to GDM, there is no display, only sound. I can switch to another console, but no gdm or gnome
[09:54] <benplaut> pkern: yup
[09:55] <Chaotic_Shield> skalpel, dunno how to fix it then. Sorry
[09:55] <Chaotic_Shield> I'd still recommend using wine + winamp.
[09:55] <benplaut> not just scheduled... it will come out in october
[09:55] <Chaotic_Shield> or wine + windows realplayer.
[09:55] <skalpel> chaotic_shield: thank you then
[09:55] <Zeroblitzt> Can anyone help with my sound problems?
[09:55] <Razor-X> Mobius: try to reconfigure X
[09:55] <pkern> Will it contain GNOME 2.12 anyway?
[09:55] <skalpel> chaotic_shield: is wine easy to use, and will it work from a web browser?
[09:55] <Chaotic_Shield> erm.
[09:55] <speel> why use realplayer if you can use mplayer? =?
[09:56] <Chaotic_Shield> dunno about the second question. But wine is extremely easy to use
[09:56] <benplaut> mobius:  sudo dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:56] <Mobius> Razor-X, dpkg-config xorg-xserver or w\e it is?
[09:56] <Chaotic_Shield> open a terminal, wine <path to exe>
[09:56] <saintFrance> where can i go to make my desktop look pretty?
[09:56] <Razor-X> Mobius: yeah
[09:56] <Mobius> I tried that
[09:56] <Mobius> Went through it with no luck
[09:56] <Mobius> =/
[09:56] <speel> saintFrance, gnome-look.org or .com i forgot
[09:56] <NixerX> saintFrance, art.gnome.org
[09:56] <Mobius> gnome-look.org
[09:56] <skalpel> chaotic_shield: yeah i am hoping to view these movies through a web browser.
[09:56] <Chaotic_Shield> erm?
[09:56] <benplaut> Mobius: does the LiveCD work?
[09:56] <Chaotic_Shield> WHY?
[09:56] <Chaotic_Shield> Why not view them through real?
[09:56] <Mobius> I can't seem to complete an Ubuntu live CD, but Slax worked
[09:56] <Chaotic_Shield> Real has a webbrowser in it.
[09:57] <benplaut> hmm
[09:57] <speel> =|
[09:57] <Mobius> benplaut - can you help me figure out which drivers I should select for my ASUS Z33a?
[09:57] <erisco> what is the apt-get for mysql?
[09:57] <benplaut> not really...
[09:57] <Razor-X> Chaotic_Shield: real player?
[09:57] <Chaotic_Shield> erisco, just use synaptic
[09:57] <Razor-X> are you mad?!
[09:57] <NixerX> erisco, try apt-cache search mysql*
[09:57] <erisco> just bno i want the apt-get
[09:57] <saintFrance> i mean ppl have crazy modifications on their desktop
[09:57] <athena> hello
[09:57] <skalpel> chaotic_shield: can you tell me how to start realplayer?
[09:57] <Chaotic_Shield> skalpel,
[09:57] <erisco> i just want the apt-get for mysql
[09:57] <Chaotic_Shield> wine <path 2 real>
[09:57] <benplaut> might just have to wait til breezy, to tell you the truth
[09:58] <Razor-X> Chaotic_Shield: you're converting people to real player?
[09:58] <Chaotic_Shield> like /home/ppl/Desktop/real/real.exe or something.
[09:58] <pola>  /server 192.168.2.137
[09:58] <Razor-X> are you mad?!
[09:58] <Mobius> benplaut, it worked until I recently flashed
[09:58] <Chaotic_Shield> Razor-X, yes.
[09:58] <benplaut> i dunno...
[09:58] <skalpel> chatoic_shield: oh, i meant the linux version
[09:58] <Razor-X> Real is the worst proprietary format in the history of anything!
[09:58] <Cin_> hey... isn't windowmaker available for ubuntu consumption :O ?
[09:58] <athena> i'm mounting a NTFS part using the guide, but it is only read-only. i cant find the switch to make it read and write. what are they?
[09:58] <skalpel> razor-x: i do not really liek it either
[09:58] <Razor-X> it takes up globs of RAM
[09:58] <NixerX> Razor-X, besides wm*
[09:58] <skalpel> i dunno why it is hanging around
[09:58] <speel> mplayer = the best xmms = the greatest
[09:58] <erisco> okay the search came back with way too many results
[09:58] <erisco> there is sudo apt-get install maysql-server
[09:59] <NixerX> Cin_ Yes it is
[09:59] <Razor-X> not only that, but it's a bitch to encode to real formats
[09:59] <erisco> but i can't get into it after i install it
[09:59] <erisco> i had mysql before where i never had that problem
[09:59] <Chaotic_Shield> Until some other program reads real format, realplayer's sticking around.
[09:59] <athena> this is the line i added to ftab: /dev/hda1       /media/windows  ntfs    nls=utf8,umask=0222 0       0
[09:59] <NixerX> erisco, is it started?
[09:59] <Cin_> NizerX: do i have to manually install it and such like?
[09:59] <erisco> is what started?
[10:00] <Chaotic_Shield> omg
[10:00] <NixerX> Cin_ nah. you should be able to apt it
[10:00] <Random_Sindrom> athena: linux can't write ntfs
[10:00] <Chaotic_Shield> NP: [ Milo - Fucking Ace ] 
[10:00] <NixerX> erisco, mysql.
[10:00] <Chaotic_Shield> I LOVE YOU MILO! I WANT YOUR KIDDIES!
[10:00] <Cin_> it's not on my apt-get cache, ahhh, maybe it's my list
[10:00] <athena> really? wow. bummer.
[10:00] <erisco> it isn't currently installed
[10:00] <Cin_> is there a list on the ubuntu web site that's up to date?
[10:00] <erisco> i removed it again because i couldn't get into it
[10:00] <Chaotic_Shield> Cin, erm.
[10:00] <Chaotic_Shield> sudo apt-get update.
[10:00] <mpmc> configure: error: Cannot find GTK: Is gtk-config in path?
[10:00] <NixerX> athena, Yes you can write to NTFS....Its stupid but you can
[10:00] <Cin_> oki
[10:01] <mpmc> how do i install gtk?
[10:01] <athena> ??
[10:01] <Mobius> benplaut, 915GM is the graphics chip .. any ideas on where I can find which driver to select?
[10:01] <Chaotic_Shield> would be ownage.
[10:01] <erisco> hence i am looking for the apt-get
[10:01] <athena> so which is it? :)
[10:01] <Seveas> mpmc, you need lingtk-dev
[10:01] <Seveas> libgtk-dev
[10:01] <Razor-X> mpmc: if you're using Gnome then gtk is installed
[10:01] <Razor-X> you need the gtk dev package
[10:01] <topyli> mpmc: you probably have gtk, you need the development packages
[10:01] <Chaotic_Shield> erisco, apt-get update.
[10:01] <Seveas> mpmc, what are you trying to install?
[10:01] <erisco> i am looking for an apt-get for mysql
[10:01] <erisco> not update
[10:02] <Seveas> apt-get install mysql-server
[10:02] <concept10> athena, write support for ntfs in linux is questionable.  If you would like to share files between windows and linux, use FAT32
[10:02] <erisco> seveas? yay your back
[10:02] <topyli> erisco: huh? mysql is in ubuntu allright
[10:02] <athena> questionable as in unreliable?
[10:02] <Chaotic_Shield> yeah
[10:02] <Chaotic_Shield> I know
[10:02] <Chaotic_Shield> mysql comes with Ubuntu.
[10:02] <erisco> okay let me say this again
[10:02] <Chaotic_Shield> it does.
[10:02] <Chaotic_Shield> Shutup.
[10:02] <Seveas> athena, unreliable: sometimes, legal: questionable
[10:02] <Chaotic_Shield> Don't say anything.
[10:02] <concept10> athena, both.. write support may corrupt your NTFS filesystem
[10:02] <Mobius> anyone else have an Intel 915GM graphics chip?
[10:03] <Chaotic_Shield> It comes with it.
[10:03] <Seveas> Chaotic_Shield, watch your language...
[10:03] <erisco> i had mysql, and i could type 'mysql' i a terminal and it would bring me to mysql no problem
[10:03] <Chaotic_Shield> Use synpatic.
[10:03] <athena> hehe
[10:03] <erisco> well then i had server issues and i wacked it all
[10:03] <Razor-X> Chaotic_Shield: or aptitude?
[10:03] <erisco> i go to install it again, and when i do i can't get into it
[10:03] <Chaotic_Shield> or aptitude, fine
[10:03] <NixerX> athena, like I said its possible but stupid.
[10:03] <concept10> athena, so use FAT32
[10:03] <Chaotic_Shield> Whatever tickles your taste buds.
[10:03] <erisco> it keeps denying my access
[10:03] <Chaotic_Shield> SUDO MYSQL.
[10:03] <Random_Sindrom> so...?
[10:03] <erisco> so
[10:03] <athena> thnx
[10:03] <erisco> i have apache2, php4, but am lacking working mysql
[10:03] <topyli> erisco: you have set a mysql root password which it remembers and you don't?
[10:04] <Seveas> erisco, then check out you mysql configuration. By defaul (if you didn't change a lot) you can login with root as username
[10:04] <Seveas> and no password
[10:04] <erisco> seveas, i know, but it wouldn't let me
[10:04] <Chaotic_Shield> erm...
[10:04] <Chaotic_Shield> you can't login with root via login screen.
[10:04] <Seveas> erisco, then you changed something :)
[10:04] <erisco> it said access denied using password: YES
[10:04] <Chaotic_Shield> wow.
[10:04] <erisco> no i just installed it
[10:04] <Chaotic_Shield> nice.
[10:04] <Seveas> Chaotic_Shield, we are talking about logging into mysql
[10:04] <erisco> okay okay
[10:04] <Chaotic_Shield> ah.
[10:04] <Seveas> erisco, then don't use a password :)
[10:04] <erisco> i will do 'sudo apt-get install mysql-server
[10:04] <Chaotic_Shield> Then just reset your mysql config.
[10:04] <topyli> Chaotic_Shield: mysql root is different
[10:05] <Chaotic_Shield> No it's not :-P
[10:05] <Seveas> Chaotic_Shield, it is...
[10:05] <Chaotic_Shield> plz2recognize sarcasm.
[10:05] <topyli> sigh away
[10:05] <Seveas> Chaotic_Shield: Please keep the code of conduct in mind when chatting here. You can find it at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[10:05] <Razor-X> aptitude is awesome ;)
[10:05] <erisco> see my server problem seveas, was that apache came with ubuntu
[10:05] <erisco> i installed apache2
[10:05] <Seveas> Razor-X, true :)
[10:05] <Chaotic_Shield> yes it did.
[10:05] <erisco> but since apache was already running, i am guess it overrode apache2
[10:06] <speel> Seveas, are you part of the ubuntu team? or do you jsut run the chan
[10:06] <erisco> so i was actually using apache and not apache2
[10:06] <speel> just*
[10:06] <erisco> so i got rid of both servers
[10:06] <dabaR> erisco: ubuntu install does not have apache
[10:06] <Seveas> erisco, hmm... I would think apache2 would kill off apache upon install
[10:06] <dabaR> sudo aptitude search apache
[10:06] <Seveas> lemme check
[10:06] <erisco> well if ubuntu didn't come with apache i must have tried to install it
[10:06] <erisco> seveas, honestly it didn't
[10:06] <erisco> i had two servers colliding at port 80 =p
[10:06] <Seveas> hehe
[10:07] <Chaotic_Shield> when Synpatic says "NOT AUTHENTICATED" does that mean those packages are coming from a non official repository?
[10:07] <Seveas> erisco, then remove 'apache' again
[10:07] <erisco> okay i did sudo apt-get install mysql-server
[10:07] <Chaotic_Shield> such as universe?
[10:07] <saintFrance> how do i install gdesklets?
[10:07] <dabaR> then, the version that has i on the left, use sudo aptitude remove apache or sudo aptitude remove apache2 depending on which one had an i beside it.
[10:07] <speel> yep
[10:07] <erisco> seveas, apache is history man
[10:07] <Seveas> Chaotic_Shield, universe is official
[10:07] <erisco> that is already gone
[10:07] <mpmc> whats the get multi p2p client?
[10:07] <Chaotic_Shield> =\
[10:07] <mpmc> best*
[10:07] <erisco> i have apache2 installed and working
[10:07] <dabaR> then sudo aptitude install apache2
[10:07] <Chaotic_Shield> don't think so....
[10:07] <speel> mpmc, gtk-gnutella
[10:07] <erisco> viewable by the world
[10:07] <Seveas> Chaotic_Shield, look at the ubuntu website
[10:07] <dabaR> mpmc: I use gtk-gnutella, if you liked kazaa, this one is for you, I thimnk.
[10:07] <speel> mpmc, or lime wire
[10:07] <Seveas> ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components
[10:08] <mpmc> speel: multinetwork
[10:08] <topyli> Chaotic_Shield: it means you don't have the signatures that those packages were signed with
[10:08] <erisco> again!! i can't get into mysql
[10:08] <Chaotic_Shield> Seveas, then why's it disabled by default?
[10:08] <Belutz> why i could get a full speed download in linux than in windows?
[10:08] <erisco> i put in 'mysql -u root -p'
[10:08] <speel> mpmc, ah sorry dident see that
[10:08] <erisco> then it comes up with 'password:'
[10:08] <erisco> and i leave it blank
[10:08] <Seveas> Chaotic_Shield, read that page....
[10:08] <Seveas> erisco: mysql -u root -d test
[10:08] <strass> hi all
[10:08] <erisco> and then it comes up with ERROR 1045: Access denied for user: 'root@localhost' (Using password: NO)
[10:08] <eth42> how do I play Real Video 4.0 codecs in Totem / Xine?
[10:08] <saintFrance> how do i install gdesklets? can anyone help me?
[10:08] <dabaR> mpmc: wtf multinetwork?
[10:08] <mpmc> So whats a good multi network P2P client?
[10:09] <Silentsol> tell me in 30 words or less why UBUNTU is better than MINISLACK... GO
[10:09] <Seveas> erisco, if you did not install mysql-server than this is normal :)
[10:09] <Chaotic_Shield> It rocks my socks.
[10:09] <erisco> mysql: unknown option '-d'
[10:09] <skalpel> my ox rocks socks
[10:09] <erisco> seveas, i just did install it
[10:09] <Cin_> cin@crasher:~$ sudo apt-get install windowmaker  Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done E: Couldn't find package windowmaker
[10:09] <Cin_> :(
[10:09] <skalpel> she does not wear shoes however
[10:09] <topyli> eth42: i'd play them with real player instead
[10:09] <erisco> i ran 'sudo apt-get install mysql server
[10:09] <Seveas> erisco, mysql-server
[10:09] <strass> is there some breezy users here who manage to get a correct keyboard management (with non us layout)?
[10:09] <Seveas> mot mysql server
[10:09] <Seveas> not*
[10:09] <Chaotic_Shield> Silentsol, it's because Ubuntu is nice and easy to install and use. And it comes with Gnome.
[10:09] <skalpel> reaplayer will not work for me for some reason
[10:09] <vader1102> Cin_: have you ;ooked in synaptci?
[10:10] <erisco> yes, yes that is what i did
[10:10] <Cin_> vader: no, what's that? :O
[10:10] <dabaR> mpmc: what is multinetwork?
[10:10] <eth42> topyli, I'd like to use one player for all media types...
[10:10] <Chaotic_Shield> dabaR, aka, Gnutella, eMule, etc.
[10:10] <IrIT> Hi
[10:10] <eth42> topyli: and that's Totem... :-)
[10:10] <_SWAT_> I just installed Ubuntu on a pc of a friend of mine (he's sitting next to me) and Ubuntu installed OK. It booted OK, but now it's broken. When we log in, Ubuntu/Gnome starts to load, but it loads nothing at all! It's just hanging. Help!
[10:10] <topyli> eth42: i know, i'd like to do the same
[10:11] <vader1102> Cin_: go to system---admin---then synaptic and there it shoulf be if it is in ubuntu
[10:11] <Seveas> _SWAT_, remove .Xauthority and .ICEauthority from the users homedir
[10:11] <Cin_> oki
[10:11] <Belutz> erisco: what happened if you just typed mysql and press enter ?
[10:11] <dabaR> mpmc: if you agree with chaotic's definition, then, yes, gtk-gnutella works, I think.
[10:11] <Cin_> ahh got it
[10:11] <speel> <3 gtk-gnutella
[10:11] <vader1102> k
[10:11] <gangalino> anyone running Qemu?
[10:11] <vader1102> woohooo I am learning lol
[10:11] <IrIT> i have just used sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales and selected ISO-8859-15 as my system default. Do i have to reboot in order for it to take effect?
[10:11] <_SWAT_> Seveas, this is just the FIRST login attempt we did. So we can't even log in the normal way. Could we try using the console?
[10:12] <Cin_> vader: i'll look into this app
[10:12] <dabaR> speel: what does that symbol mean, Ive been wanting to learn that.
[10:12] <Sonderblade> why does sudo ls --version work but not gksudo ls --version?
[10:12] <Seveas> IrIT, bad idea, better use UTF-8
[10:12] <speel> dabaR, its a heart
[10:12] <Seveas> _SWAT_, yes
[10:12] <dabaR> oh, ok.
[10:12] <speel> :P
[10:12] <dabaR> It looks like ballz to me.
[10:12] <speel> lol
[10:12] <IrIT> yeah, but right now i'll use ISO-8859-15
[10:12] <dabaR> serious, tho, depends on the font, I guess.
[10:12] <Razor-X> Sonderblade: because gksudo is used for applications that call gtk
[10:12] <IrIT> do i have to reboot
[10:12] <speel> >(___)< emm candy
[10:12] <Seveas> IrIT, you will need to logout and log back in
[10:13] <IrIT> ok
[10:13] <dabaR> does gksudo ls work at all?
[10:13] <Random_Sindrom> Cin...I found a wmaker in my repositories...check it out
[10:13] <Cin_> oki
[10:13] <Sonderblade> Razor-X, gksudo does something with --long-options that sudo doesn't
[10:13] <Random_Sindrom> write it so:  wmaker
[10:13] <speel> hey has any one ever tryed pc-bsd?
[10:14] <Razor-X> Sonderblade: wha?
[10:14] <topyli> skalpel: if real player hangs, it's probably because the sound server is blocking your sound and real player doesn't know how to use it
[10:14] <vader1102> speel: not me
[10:14] <speel> vader1102, you should try it .. it introduces a noob to bsd
[10:15] <skalpel> topyli: why would my sound server be blocking my sound? i do not have any other players open
[10:15] <vader1102> speel: when O get another pc to try it on
[10:15] <vader1102> I^^
[10:15] <Razor-X> BSD smeeessdee
[10:15] <speel> good ;)
[10:15] <_SWAT_> Seveas, it didn't work. We can log in using the console but not the GUI. When we log in (GUI) it just hangs and it's dead
[10:15] <Razor-X> s/smeeessdee/shmeeessdee/
[10:15] <topyli> skalpel: it uses your sound card exclusively and every application has to be a client for it if they want to make a sound
[10:15] <Razor-X> that system is to overrated
[10:15] <speel> lol
[10:15] <speel> what is?
[10:15] <Razor-X> I hate BSD so much, I don't use ps aux ;)
[10:15] <topyli> skalpel: it can be fixed though
[10:16] <topyli> hold on
[10:16] <speel> =| bsd = *
[10:16] <Seveas> _SWAT_, did you remove the files I mentioned while you were in the console?
[10:16] <skalpel> topyli: great! xcan you tell me how?
[10:16] <_SWAT_> Seveas, yes we did
[10:16] <Razor-X> ps aux, bah
[10:16] <Seveas> _SWAT_, then I don't know anything else right now...
[10:17] <speel> ports is the greatest thing that has ever came to existance lol
[10:17] <loorni> How do i run a program in ubuntu? (irssi)
[10:17] <speel> loorni, open a console and just type irssi
[10:17] <Razor-X> portage is just as good as ports
[10:17] <Belutz> speel: i only tried freeSBIE
[10:17] <Razor-X> loorni: go into a Terminal, and type in ``irssi &''
[10:18] <speel> Belutz, ah i heard about it i never tryed it
[10:18] <Random_Sindrom> Some have try SNES9x?
[10:18] <Random_Sindrom> SOMEONE?
[10:18] <Razor-X> yeah
[10:18] <Razor-X> Random_Sindrom: YES
[10:18] <Razor-X> no caps, please
[10:19] <Razor-X> you waited probably a whole second
[10:19] <Random_Sindrom> sorry
[10:19] <Random_Sindrom> how do I run it?
[10:19] <Davey> Razor-X, he was fixing his typo ;)
[10:19] <topyli> skalpel: i can't find the web page right now. please join #flood and i'll paste your my esd.conf (which works)
[10:19] <Razor-X> Davey: haha, sorry
[10:19] <Cin> a mate edited my repisotory list when i first installed, can
[10:19] <Cin>              someone with windowmaker give me their repository list, please?
[10:19] <Razor-X> too many people who do that
[10:20] <Razor-X> Random_Sindrom: what's the problem?
[10:20] <Razor-X> ahhh, I see
[10:20] <skalpel> topyli: ok
[10:20] <Razor-X> Random_Sindrom: go to the directory you extracted the archive to
[10:20] <Seveas> cin: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[10:20] <Belutz> Razor-X: what cd/dvd burner soft do u use?
[10:20] <Cin> Seveas: thanks
[10:20] <Razor-X> Belutz: cdrecord/K3b
[10:20] <Davey> Razor-X, I use GnomeBaker integrated into Nautilus
[10:21] <Belutz> Razor-X: cdrecord is CLI based ?
[10:21] <Razor-X> Belutz: yeah
[10:21] <Razor-X> if I feel like leaving the CLI, I use K3b
[10:21] <Razor-X> i'm installing BASHBurn now ;)
[10:21] <vader1102> that's all I have used in Linix for cd burning is K3b
[10:22] <Razor-X> the CLI is an acquired taste nowadays, I guess
[10:22] <Razor-X> vader1102: Linux, not to be confused with Minix ;)
[10:22] <saintFrance> can anyone help me install gDesktlets? i have no clue!!
[10:22] <athena> what should i put in the create launcher to make a desktop shortcut to a folder?
[10:22] <vader1102> Razor-X: I use it with my suse 9.2 system
[10:22] <athena> it asks me if i want to run the link... i dont get it
[10:22] <topyli> skalpel: you got the info?
[10:22] <Razor-X> vader1102: well, you mispelled it ;)
[10:22] <vader1102> lol
[10:23] <vader1102> woops. there goes my fingers again
[10:23] <speel> hey saintFrance , check http://ubuntuguide.org/#gdesklets
[10:23] <sun_> hi im not sure why but now whenever i sudo i get an error saying gethostbyname() unable to resolve hostname.  anyone know what to do ?
[10:23] <jvh> I'm having trouble installing Ubuntu/Kubuntu on my Ferrari laptop - i just get a blank screen. Someone have any experience with that ?
[10:23] <Razor-X> gah, where's libwvstreams4.0-vorbis
[10:23] <yonil> Hi, i had to format my laptop and reinstall everything and now i have a small problem. on the last installation when i entered a game and chose to run it in fullscreen, it actually captured the whole screen. now its the same size, only with a black background surrounding it. any ideas how can i fix this ?
[10:23] <skalpel> topyli: yes thank you. are you sure i have to reboot though? is there not any other way, like recycling my gnome-oanel or something?
[10:23] <Razor-X> !info libwvstreams4.0-vorbis
[10:23] <Belutz> hmmm k3b requires kdebase... hmmm
[10:24] <athena> anyone?
[10:24] <Razor-X> gah, BASHBurn won't work then ;)
[10:24] <speel> skalpel, you should never have to reboot unless you changed somthing with the kernel
[10:24] <Razor-X> athena: in Linux, there's no real thing known as a ``shortcut''
[10:24] <Frafra> hi all
[10:24] <Razor-X> there are static links, but I don't think you can static link a file to a directory
[10:24] <Frafra> how to convert a wav into a mp3 file using shell?
[10:24] <athena> Razor-X, i mean on the desktop to make a link to ntfs mount...
[10:24] <Razor-X> (I don't think you can
[10:24] <Razor-X> )
[10:24] <topyli> skalpel: dunno. after i got the file edited, i tried logging out, restarting alsa and all sorts of shit. next day (after shutting down the machine for the night) it worked
[10:24] <skalpel> speel: i did not, it was simply a config file. maybe i should just log out of windows and back in?
[10:25] <Razor-X> athena: put the command in the desktop link?
[10:25] <speel> skalpel, what did you config?
[10:25] <skalpel> i have been told never to reboot many times though
[10:25] <skalpel> speel: esd.conf
[10:25] <shore> Sound seems broken: playing a sound in gnome-sound-rec says "Could not open resource for writing". I am already a member of group "audio" and /dev/dsp has rw for group audio
[10:25] <Razor-X> you're not really supposed to restart ;)
[10:25] <athena> command: /media/C ---> dosent work
[10:25] <skalpel> maybe i should just restart esd?
[10:25] <Razor-X> (not sure why people restart)
[10:25] <Razor-X> the computer, rather
[10:25] <jvh> I'm having trouble installing ubuntu on my Acer ferrari 4000 laptop. Could some please help ?
[10:25] <Razor-X> athena: don't type in the mount point
[10:25] <athena> ?
[10:25] <Razor-X> wait, you want to display your NTFS mount point?
[10:25] <topyli> skalpel: i'm sure you don't have to reboot. i just don't know which services to restart :(
[10:25] <athena> so what should i put in the command?
[10:26] <skalpel> topyli: probably esd
[10:26] <speel> hmm never even heard of esd.conf but yea you should jsut resart the program or what ever it is
[10:26] <Razor-X> Razor-X: think about it, what program are you calling if you type in a directory straight in
[10:26] <f_newton> update from f_newton... almost a 10 hr installation and no major problems other them setting 24bit colors.  Seems ok and being debian  based it probably will remain ok
[10:26] <shore> does sound generally work in Ubuntu?
[10:26] <topyli> skalpel: nope, not enough (in this house anyway)
[10:26] <skalpel> if i kill esd will it restart on it's own?
[10:26] <vader1102> jvh: did you see a place in the first screen to set resolution?
[10:26] <athena> yes, i want a shortcut on the desktop to this shared folder
[10:26] <Razor-X> errr
[10:26] <bimberi> Frafra: How did you go with audacity?
[10:26] <athena> not shared, mounted :)
[10:26] <f_newton> shore it seems to for me
[10:26] <Razor-X> athena: : think about it, what program are you calling if you type in a directory straight in
[10:26] <skalpel> topyli: well if nothing else works i will restart then. thank you for the paste
[10:26] <jvh> vader1102 - Yeah i set the screen to 1680 * 1050
[10:27] <topyli> skalpel: no, you have to kill it and start it again
[10:27] <f_newton> I am going over this os with a fine tooth comb because I am a bit skeptical...
[10:27] <vader1102> that's why dude, retry and set it to a lower res
[10:27] <jvh> vader1102 - i get the jingle when the xserver is loaded put no picture. I can get a tty1 tough
[10:27] <skalpel> topyli: from a terminal i guess?
[10:27] <Frafra> bimberi: it doesn't works. it want libmp3lame.so. with libmp3lame.so* doesn't works
[10:28] <dabaR> look, please keep it professional.
[10:28] <skalpel> topyli: what happens if i run a process like that and my terminal window just hangs there?
[10:28] <skalpel> like it is waiting for somethign?
[10:28] <dabaR> ok, enough crap for today from me.
[10:28] <dabaR> later.
[10:28] <jvh> vader1102 - i have tried a lower resolution - same shit
[10:28] <topyli> skalpel: yes, any terminal. just remember to use "esd&" so that it will continue running after you close the terminal
[10:28] <Razor-X> is it wrong to ask someone to think when I offer help? :(
[10:28] <skalpel> ok, that asnwers that
[10:28] <athena> Razor-X, i have no idea. im a green green newbie from XP :)
[10:29] <Razor-X> athena: well, you're calling the directory
[10:29] <vader1102> jvh: out of my area then, maybe someone else has some ideas
[10:29] <fgr> hello, is it possible to have nautilus working like in warty: opening a new window when clickinn on file and having parent folder still  open?
[10:29] <Razor-X> so it looks for a command called ``/media/c''
[10:29] <f_newton> jvh what vid card are you running?
[10:29] <Razor-X> and it says ``Oh oh, there's no command called that!''
[10:29] <athena> yes, i thought so, but it dosent work
[10:29] <skalpel> realplayer still will not start up though
[10:29] <Razor-X> so basically, you have to pass it to your file manager
[10:29] <jvh> vader1102 - thanks anyway man
[10:29] <skalpel> i wonder what it is
[10:29] <vader1102> I tried
[10:29] <sun_> exit
[10:29] <bimberi> Frafra: hm ok - libmp3lame.so is in the "liblame-dev" package
[10:29] <Razor-X> (i'm assuming you use nautilus, I may be wrong)
[10:29] <jvh> f_newton - Radeon x700
[10:29] <catolh> Whats the default in ubuntu? Metacity? Gtk 2.x ? Gtk 1.x? Or have i misunderstood the whole theme thing? I want to install some new themes from gnome-look.org, and im seeing several choices .. like the ones i mentioned before (gtk, meta++). Could someone explain what i need? (To use GTK 2.x + GTK 1.x & Metacity themes)
[10:29] <winslayer> Hello All. A quick question. Can Kubuntu live cd be installed to hdd??
[10:29] <topyli> skalpel: hrm. try starting it with esd killed
[10:29] <Razor-X> so something like ``nautilus /media/C/''
[10:29] <Razor-X> winslayer: get the Kubuntu install CD
[10:29] <skalpel> topyli: ok
[10:30] <Razor-X> and don't prepend ``win'', you'll be getting a lot of hate ;)
[10:30] <athena> Razor-X, yes i use nautilus
[10:30] <Razor-X> athena: then try that
[10:30] <f_newton> ah.... xpress
[10:30] <Razor-X> first in a Terminal, for practice
[10:30] <skalpel> topyli: same problem
[10:30] <t3rror> can someone explain why mplayer is not included in the ubuntu repositories?
[10:30] <winslayer> Razor-X, Thx , is that a standard type install?
[10:30] <Razor-X> winslayer: yeahp
[10:30] <topyli> skalpel: then it's not esd after all :\
[10:30] <Razor-X> t3rror: have you added universe and multiverse?
[10:30] <winslayer> Argh ok :)
[10:30] <topyli> skalpel: doesn't hurt fixing it anyway
[10:30] <t3rror> not really sure
[10:31] <f_newton> skalpel you need the older libs.  realplayer doesnt work with the newer kernels yet... what is it...compat c++?
[10:31] <athena> nope. it asks if i want to run or display.
[10:31] <athena> Do you want to run "s", or display its contents?
[10:31] <Razor-X> !tell t3rror about repos
[10:31] <jvh> f_newton - what does that mean ? Is there a general problem with ati's PCIxpress cards ?
[10:31] <skalpel> topyli: what did that change, anyway, specifically, if you dont mind me asking
[10:31] <wajokki> why mp3 files doesent work in totem
[10:31] <t3rror> thx
[10:31] <athena> instead of just opening the mount
[10:31] <Razor-X> athena: hmmm...
[10:31] <t3rror> i will get right on that razor-x
[10:31] <LinuxJones> wajokki, you need to install the proper codecs
[10:31] <Razor-X> sorry, I use Kubuntu, so i'm not 100% sure on that command right there
[10:31] <topyli> skalpel: esd will die on its own when no process is asking for it. then the sound device will be free for non-esd-aware programs.
[10:31] <socomm> wajokki: Follow the link.
[10:32] <socomm> !restricted
[10:32] <ubotu> well, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:32] <f_newton> jvh no its just that linux is an open source basically community supported os and some of the newer stuff takes longer to get integrated, especially proprietary stuff like ati
[10:32] <topyli> skalpel: then of course esd will respawn when a process calls for it
[10:32] <Razor-X> topyli: I thought it stays alive, since it is a daemon
[10:32] <topyli> ^
[10:32] <Razor-X> Beware about restricted formats: they are illegal
[10:32] <topyli> Razor-X: no they're not
[10:32] <Razor-X> topyli: unless you own your own copy of the dlls, yes they are
[10:32] <skalpel> topyli: that sounds better, thank you
[10:32] <wajokki> socom what fuckin link
[10:33] <Razor-X> topyli: and not everyone does
[10:33] <topyli> Razor-X: distribution of some dlls may be illegal in some countries, yes
[10:33] <Razor-X> topyli: it's illegal in the US as well
[10:33] <concept10> f_newton, hello!  have you installed ubuntu?
[10:33] <jvh> f_newton - i was afraid you might say that. I spend very long time deciding witch laptop to buy. Finally i made my pick and then i choose some not supported yet :-(  ..SIGH
[10:33] <Razor-X> Microsoft has a copyright on anything in their operating system, thus using their dlls is illegal
[10:33] <topyli> Razor-X: everything is illegal there
[10:34] <f_newton> concept10, yo dude!  yes I did
[10:34] <Razor-X> _unless_ you own a legitimate copy
[10:34] <drg> join #java
[10:34] <f_newton> so far its been pretty good to me
[10:34] <Razor-X> topyli: unfortunately, Microsoft is US based, no?
[10:34] <athena> anyone here use gnome?
[10:34] <f_newton> fc is getting worse by the day
[10:34] <Seveas> athena, LOTS of people in here do :)
[10:34] <LinuxJones> athena, most everybody :)
[10:34] <topyli> Razor-X: i am not. anyway, i do have a copy of windows
[10:34] <athena> and know to shortcut to a mount? :)
[10:34] <concept10> f_newton, Ive been using ubuntu since right before FC4 came out.  Thats why you dont see me in that channel too much anymore.
[10:34] <f_newton> no support, smart assed answers for serious problems etc
[10:34] <Razor-X> topyli: it's nice to tell people that,though
[10:35] <jeanjean> hi
[10:35] <Razor-X> RPM's scare me... ;)
[10:35] <topyli> Razor-X: well yeah, to be careful
[10:35] <LinuxJones> jeanjean, welcome
[10:35] <Razor-X> topyli: better your own ass covered ;)
[10:35] <f_newton> concept10, well I am a redhat man, you know that... but thats just because most debian derivs dont function well
[10:35] <chrissturm> even if you own those dlls its not 100% legal. you are probably violating the dmca
[10:35] <Gabriel> Hello I just installed Breezy, but I can't start X due to a fatal server error, it seems it can't find the fonts... Any ideas?
[10:35] <topyli> Razor-X: it's covered all right :)
[10:35] <Razor-X> Gabriel: that's because
[10:35] <Razor-X> dun dun dun dun dun dun DUNNNNN
[10:35] <Frafra> i've installed liblame-dev
[10:35] <socomm> Gabriel: Read the topic.
[10:36] <Razor-X> X is T3H BROKEN IN dun dun dun DUN.... Breezy! XD
[10:36] <f_newton> concept10, I was having horrible problems with fc4 due to a recent update and all I could get from the dev team was its my fault and it works for me crap
[10:36] <Frafra> but it say "segmentation fault"
[10:36] <LinuxJones> f_newton, what problems are you having ?
[10:36] <Razor-X> sorry, I had to make that a song, meh!
[10:36] <concept10> f_newton, I been using Ubuntu for a couple of months now.  No problems with any apps.  The community is better also.  I think you will enjoy it.
[10:36] <Seveas> Frafra, a -dev package cannot say segmentation fault
[10:36] <Gabriel> Razor-X: ok IRC in text mode, I didn't see the topic
[10:36] <Seveas> which program is goving you the segmentation fault
[10:36] <jvh> f_newton - then tell me: i bought the SuSE box thinking that might help, being the official drivers and all - but same thing: some graphics shown but nothing usable
[10:36] <Seveas> ?
[10:36] <Razor-X> Gabriel: I use IRC in text mode as well
[10:36] <f_newton> concept10, other then the crappy fonts and inability to set my color bit rate ubuntu seems pretty good
[10:36] <topyli> Gabriel: use the /topic command
[10:37] <Frafra> Seveas: audacity
[10:37] <Gabriel> topyli: I did thanks
[10:37] <Razor-X> I just sang the song because every Breezy user says that
[10:37] <concept10> f_newton, yes, I hated the default fonts, I installed the microsoft core fonts
[10:37] <bimberi> Frafra: at what point does it segfault
[10:37] <Frafra> Seveas: and lame
[10:37] <topyli> Gabriel: breezy is broken, you may live with it or get a stable system
[10:37] <f_newton> jvh, look, ati will eventually come out with a lousy linux driver and someone in the linux dev team will redo it to work
[10:37] <Frafra> bimberi: at the start
[10:37] <tim> is there a way to turn off the ubuntu sound system from the command line?
[10:37] <Razor-X> f_newton: ATI has a linux driver already....
[10:37] <f_newton> concept10, is that on the apt repo list?
[10:38] <concept10> f_newton, you will also find that APT is so much better than yum.
[10:38] <f_newton> Razor-X, for the xpress 700/
[10:38] <shido> what?
[10:38] <f_newton> ?
[10:38] <Gabriel> Razor-X: topyli yep, too bad, I'll just reinstall Hoary I guess
[10:38] <shido> can y watch tv with it ?
[10:38] <Razor-X> wow, i'm out of date on my podcasts
[10:38] <shido> can you watch tv with the "nmew" ati driver
[10:38] <shido> ?
[10:38] <f_newton> most ati linux drivers suck
[10:38] <Razor-X> Gabriel: if you want, you can use twin and ride the storm till X gets fixed
[10:38] <ReleaseX> I have a laptop with a dell truemobile 1150 wlan mini pci card it uses orinoco_cs, and works on installing, but scanning does not seem to work, is this common, or rather how can i get it to scan
[10:38] <Razor-X> f_newton: how will a linux dev change that?
[10:38] <f_newton> most linux ati drivers work
[10:38] <Seveas> topic gardening :)
[10:39] <Razor-X> if the source isn't released, it's pretty much hopeless
[10:39] <macgyver2> tim, try 'amixer set Master mute'
[10:39] <Razor-X> Gabriel: twin is like a non-graphical version of X ;)
[10:39] <f_newton> right, they have to break down (reverse engineer) the ati proprietary driver
[10:39] <Cin> windowmaker is definatley not there, my sources list doesn't have it, can someone who has it on their list msg me their list pleeeeeease?
[10:39] <Razor-X> f_newton: that's easier said than done ;)
[10:39] <Gabriel> Razor-X: I just love too much ;)
[10:39] <f_newton> you are definitely rightr Razor-X
[10:39] <concept10> f_newton, i forgot the name of the package.  I think it is mstcorefonts, gimme a sec
[10:39] <Gabriel> Razor-X: I just love Gnome too much ;)
[10:40] <jvh> F_newton - so i cant use the bloody thing until ati decide to realease a driver ?
[10:40] <Seveas> Cin, it's called wmaker
[10:40] <Razor-X> Gabriel: hah, be that as it may
[10:40] <jowi> tim, you can kill the esd server. but if you want to turn it off completely you need to say so in gmone-sound-properties
[10:40] <Seveas> Cin, and it's available from the repositories in the list O gave you
[10:40] <Cin> :O
[10:40] <tim> jowi, yea kill the esd server...so that I can get sound in my game (Americas army)
[10:40] <concept10> !info corefonts
[10:40] <Cin> Seveas: you are my god
[10:40] <Diddi> lo lo folks =)
[10:40] <Gabriel> Razor-X: thanks anyway
[10:40] <f_newton> well I will check it out concept10  i am currently trying to figure out how to get my crossover rpm to work in a deb based os like ubuntu and find an effective vidplayer like xine
[10:40] <Seveas> :)
[10:40] <bimberi> Frafra: hm - was it working before installing the library?
[10:40] <Seveas> Cin: apt-cache search windowmaker
[10:40] <t3rror> razor-x that link is outdated
[10:40] <Cin> :P
[10:40] <Razor-X> Cin: use aptitude
[10:40] <Seveas> shows lots of goodies for it too :)
[10:40] <t3rror> about the repos
[10:40] <Razor-X> ;)
[10:41] <Cin> i love the Cube CPU monitor
[10:41] <Diddi> anyone here to talk to about the shipping-version of ubuntu?
[10:41] <f_newton> concept10, local dude makes good!
[10:41] <Seveas> Diddi, just ask :)
[10:41] <Diddi> oks
[10:41] <yonil> anyone managed to install the latest inkscape ?
[10:41] <Razor-X> Diddi: i'm the PR guy of Ubuntu! ;)
[10:41] <t3rror> it says that there is a settings button in the repositories window from synaptic, but there isn't
[10:41] <jowi> tim, 'killall esd' (i do not have esd active so this is a guess - find out the real name with 'ps -A')
[10:41] <concept10> f_newton, the package is called msttcorefonts
[10:41] <Seveas> Razor-X, please don't tell lies...
[10:41] <f_newton> kewl
[10:41] <Razor-X> Seveas: it's meant to be a joke
[10:41] <Diddi> I'm running the live-cd right now, and I like it =) though I have a few ideas about it.
[10:41] <t3rror> can you just tell me what the address is to universe and multivers, and i can add them manually to my sites.list
[10:41] <f_newton> concept10, thanks
[10:42] <Cin> brb, trying it ooot
[10:42] <Seveas> Razor-X, not everyone understands that :)
[10:42] <Razor-X> does Ubuntu even have a PR guy?
[10:42] <Seveas> Razor-X, mako
[10:42] <f_newton> concept10, I am skeptical of any os that leaves a big wide hole into root like ubuntu does
[10:42] <Razor-X> Seveas: ahhh, ok, meh
[10:42] <LinuxJones> Razor-X, I doubt it considering their marketing :D
[10:42] <Seveas> Diddi, you mean ideas for improvement?
[10:42] <skalpel> can someone recommend a cd ripper that supports cddb?
[10:42] <concept10> f_newton, what do you mean by that?
[10:42] <Razor-X> wow, my podcasts _are_ out of date
[10:42] <Diddi> My idea was to order a couple of hundred cds or something, to give away and try out for schools etc. and for that I think it can be changed a little bit, to make it easier for new ppl =)
[10:42] <ReleaseX> I have a laptop with a dell truemobile 1150 wlan mini pci card it uses orinoco_cs, and works on installing, but scanning does not seem to work, is this common, or rather how can i get it to scan
[10:42] <Diddi> Seveas: yeah
[10:43] <jowi> skalpel, sound-juicer works for me
[10:43] <Seveas> Diddi, let's hear them :)
[10:43] <skalpel> jowi: how do you get it to query cddb? i do not see a way
[10:43] <f_newton> concept10, the way the usr accts are set up root is reserved and open to outside aggressors by nature
[10:43] <jowi> skalpel, it is automatic. pop in a cd and it downloads the stuff
[10:43] <skalpel> jowi: is it supposed to do it automatically? maybe i should try a diff cd and see what happens
[10:43] <skalpel> jowi: ok, thank you
[10:44] <Diddi> Seveas: well, A better wm might be KDE (kubuntu?), and a few more icons on desktop
[10:44] <vader1102> bbl: customers rule my world...:(
[10:44] <Diddi> the user likes to have "easy-access" to things, like their homedir, mail/www etc.
[10:44] <Razor-X> Diddi: Kubuntu uses KDE as a WM, yes
[10:44] <Seveas> Diddi, there is a KDE version of the livecd too, but gnome is definitely better
[10:44] <concept10> f_newton, thats not true.  Ubuntu uses sudo.  The root account is diasabled by default
[10:44] <Seveas> Diddi, and no, more icons is NOT good; it's confusing :)
[10:45] <Choubaka> less is more. :)
[10:45] <topyli> Diddi: those are design decisions that are very elemental to ubuntu. you need another distro :)
[10:45] <Diddi>  I see
[10:45] <Choubaka> I read an article about the famous one-button mouse once.
[10:46] <Choubaka> It claimed that an interface which requires a mouse to have two buttons is badly designed.
[10:46] <Razor-X> Choubaka: mice themselves are badly designed ;)
[10:46] <Choubaka> Yeah.
[10:46] <concept10> I have an idea!
[10:47] <john__UK> hello guys, I was wondering if any one could help me with a video problem in ubuntu?
[10:47] <Seveas> oh no...
[10:47] <Seveas> concept10, ha an idea...
[10:47] <Seveas> run while you can...
[10:47] <Seveas> :)
[10:47] <Diddi> my thought was to "catch" new users as fast as possible :) though it might be confusing for the old "windows-user" to take a big step as having an empty desktop etc. at once :P
[10:47] <Choubaka> a small touchpad and a pen would make a better pointer. :P
[10:47] <Razor-X> by the way, UNIX is based on the concept of the ``Three button mouse''
[10:47] <concept10> Forget mice..  gimme a mouse pad that detects your hand movement
[10:47] <Razor-X> I like my trackball very much ;)
[10:47] <f_newton> I like traCballs too
[10:47] <Diddi> just some spontanous ideas, dunno if it's better. but that's what I've heard :)
[10:47] <tommi^> What should I call my computer? Nou, really, give me ideas.
[10:47] <Choubaka> uh?
[10:47] <concept10> what do you guys think of that?
[10:48] <Seveas> Diddi, the emty desktop should be refreshing :)
[10:48] <Diddi> aha :P
[10:48] <Choubaka> did mice even exist when unix was designed.
[10:48] <f_newton> how about computer?
[10:48] <Razor-X> concept10: too taxing on the wrist
[10:48] <Seveas> Choubaka, he meant X
[10:48] <f_newton> yes Choubaka
[10:48] <Seveas> not UNIX :)
[10:48] <Choubaka> and windows desktop by default is very empty.
[10:48] <Razor-X> yes, my bad ;)
[10:48] <t3rror> could someone message me the addresses to the universe and multiverse repos?
[10:48] <Choubaka> Seveas: That makese more sense.
[10:48] <shore> anyone got sound running with ES1969 Solo? Using es1938 driver?
[10:48] <Razor-X> again, this is all mouse mased
[10:48] <Seveas> t3rror: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[10:48] <Diddi> yeah, though they have icons atleast for their homedirs =)
[10:48] <concept10> Razor-X, and a mouse isnt?
[10:48] <Diddi> and www
[10:48] <Choubaka> Well, who said X is well designed?
[10:48] <Razor-X> the movement detection is an extension of the mouse, nobody thinks past that anymore ;)
[10:48] <Razor-X> s/mased/based/
[10:48] <Seveas> Choubaka, I don't :)
[10:48] <Razor-X> concept10: I don't use a mouse
[10:49] <topyli> Diddi: there's an icon for the web in the panel
[10:49] <Razor-X> Choubaka: Three button mice where the mouse wheel acts as a button is as nice as a mouse can get ;)
[10:49] <concept10> Razor-X, I frequently have to randomly slap people to knock the carpel tunnel from my wrist after navigating with the mouse
[10:49] <john__UK> any one having problems with a neo magic video card on a dell latitude?
[10:49] <topyli> Diddi: the desktop is something the user should populate, not anyone else
[10:49] <skalpel> could someone recommend a good cd burning software for ubuntu?
[10:49] <Geist|Patrick> hi
[10:49] <Choubaka> Razor-X: how is that relevant?
[10:49] <Razor-X> concept10: yeah, mice suck
[10:49] <Diddi> topyli: huh?
[10:50] <Seveas> skalpel, gnomebaker, graveman, k3b
[10:50] <concept10> skalpel, k3b
[10:50] <LinuxJones> skalpel, graveman or gnoebaker
[10:50] <Choubaka> yes, a scroll wheel is nice.
[10:50] <bimberi> skalpel: nautilus (the file manager) as well
[10:50] <Razor-X> Choubaka: well, you're talking about X being badly designed, stemming from a three-button mouse
[10:50] <topyli> Diddi: didn't your gnome panel come with a firefox icon?
[10:50] <Choubaka> Razor-X: Well, duh.
[10:50] <Choubaka> somehow relying on a 3-button mouse is bad design
[10:50] <Diddi> yeah
[10:50] <Seveas> Diddi, and a nice places menu
[10:51] <Seveas> and a trashcan icon
[10:51] <Seveas> etc :)
[10:51] <Choubaka> except X only relies on 2 buttons
[10:51] <Diddi> no trashcan =P?
[10:51] <Razor-X> Choubaka: how is that a bad idea?
[10:51] <Silentsol> is Ubuntu based off of gentoo?
[10:51] <deprave> whats a good language to attempt to learn how to program on
[10:51] <Razor-X> I like three button mice meself
[10:51] <Seveas> Diddi, bottom right corner
[10:51] <Razor-X> deprave: C++
[10:51] <Choubaka> Razor-X: because not everyone has 3 buttons
[10:51] <Seveas> Silentsol, thank god not
[10:51] <loucomballa> Does anybody know how to launch a gnome terminal already MAXIMIZED from command line?
[10:51] <din> Silentsol, no, debian
[10:51] <Razor-X> Choubaka: that's only because Microsoft changed the standard
[10:51] <Seveas> Silentsol, Ubuntu is based on something solid: debian
[10:51] <deprave> Razor-X : any urls for documentation to get started on?
[10:51] <Choubaka> Razor-X: and some people might get confused by more than one buttons
[10:51] <Choubaka> :P
[10:51] <Choubaka> -s
[10:51] <Silentsol> how does ubuntu differ from debian
[10:51] <Seveas> Choubaka, those people use macs :)
[10:52] <Diddi> gah, I'll be right back :P the live-cd is killing my hardworking computer =P
[10:52] <Razor-X> Choubaka: some people may also be confused at my CLI interface, my trackball, and my Dvorak keyboard
[10:52] <Seveas> Silentsol: Ubuntu and debian have different goals, a different release schedule and different, but overlapping communities. See also http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship
[10:52] <Razor-X> hasn't sotpped me yet ;)
[10:52] <topyli> Diddi: customize away! your ubuntu desktop gives you the perfect chance
[10:52] <Choubaka> Seveas: I use a mac.
[10:52] <Choubaka> and a 2 button mouse with a scroll wheel, mind you
[10:52] <skalpel> what is the command to delete a file in linux?
[10:52] <Seveas> Choubaka, I didn't say all mac users get confused by nore than one mouse :)
[10:52] <Seveas> skalpel, rm
[10:52] <Razor-X> I don't care about ``Someone else might get confused'' crap ;)
[10:52] <skalpel> thank you
[10:52] <Silentsol> also, if linux and mac are based off UNIX, why isnt mac considered linux?
[10:52] <deprave> Razor-X : any urls for documentation to get started on or just google around?
[10:53] <Razor-X> it's my system, who cares? meh
[10:53] <topyli> Diddi: here's mine: http://siltala.net/comp/Hoary-desktop.jpg
[10:53] <Seveas> Silentsol, since it does nit run the linux kernel
[10:53] <Razor-X> deprave: mane many good C++ tutorials online
[10:53] <Seveas> it runs a mach microkernel
[10:53] <deprave> alright thanks
[10:53] <Choubaka> Seveas: windws and linux users may get confused with the buttons too.
[10:53] <_SWAT_> I installed Ubuntu and tried logging in, it hangs. When I try to change the 'session' at the login prompt (to xfce for example) it shows nothing and hangs. What could be the problem/solution?
[10:53] <Razor-X> Silentsol: Linux is not UNIX
[10:53] <Razor-X> ;)
[10:53] <Razor-X> there are other free flavors of UNIX such as BSD
[10:53] <f_newton> Silentsol, unix split into three basic core kernels... bsd, linux, and unix genuine
[10:53] <Razor-X> (by the way, Linux is not UNIX is a recursive definition for Linux ;)
[10:53] <Seveas> f_newton, not true...
[10:54] <Razor-X> HURD, BSD, Linux, etc.
[10:54] <Seveas> they are three completely different things...
[10:54] <Razor-X> f_newton: what about Minix?
[10:54] <Razor-X> or HURD?
[10:54] <Seveas> Razor-X, minix is crap
[10:54] <Razor-X> Seveas: but it's UNIX based, no?
[10:54] <Seveas> Razor-X, sort-of
[10:54] <Razor-X> Linux was directly deviant from Minix
[10:54] <f_newton> minix is the very beginning of linux it is what mr torvalds based the first linux core on
[10:54] <concept10> this is one of the best ideas I have seen (for input): http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus/
[10:54] <tahorg> Razor-X: nope
[10:54] <f_newton> minix was unix for x86 arch
[10:54] <deprave> to be fair, linux is a unix based operating system
[10:54] <Seveas> Razor-X, Tanenbaum and Torvalds had bight fights about OS design you mean :)
[10:54] <Choubaka> OS X is not UNIX either.
[10:55] <f_newton> osX is bsd based
[10:55] <Razor-X> Seveas: meh
[10:55] <Choubaka> the only unixes are those who are granted the right to use that label
[10:55] <skalpel> does anyone else have trouble with the embedded mplayer working in firefox, or have had trouble in the past?
[10:55] <Razor-X> yes, OS X is BSD based
[10:55] <Choubaka> I know that.
[10:55] <skalpel> it seems to want to keep buffering way longer than it should
[10:55] <Razor-X> and the BSD license is much less restrictive than Linux's
[10:55] <Choubaka> but OS X is no unix still
[10:55] <deprave> nothing is UNIX except AT&T UNIX, people accidentaly capitalize, poor souls.
[10:55] <f_newton> Choubaka, arent you due back at sco?
[10:55] <Razor-X> that's why Mac can get away with calling it ``Macintosh''
[10:55] <Seveas> deprave, not true anymore
[10:55] <Choubaka> f_newton: sco has nothing to do with it
[10:55] <deprave> oh, how's that?
[10:55] <Seveas> the ubix copyright is now owned by the open group
[10:55] <Choubaka> it's the Open group I think
[10:55] <Choubaka> yes.
[10:55] <Seveas> and they sell unix licenses
[10:56] <concept10> deprave, Linux could be UNIX at a cost
[10:56] <Silentsol> im glad to see what i started
[10:56] <f_newton> linux is better then sys4
[10:56] <Seveas> so every os can become unix if it complies to the single unix specification
[10:56] <f_newton> bsd is better then sys4
[10:56] <Choubaka> than*
[10:56] <topyli> linux is better than nothing :)
[10:56] <Choubaka> Yes. :D
[10:56] <concept10> Linux is UNIX-like.
[10:56] <Choubaka> Yes.
[10:56] <Choubaka> :)
[10:56] <jowi> linux is better than DOS too. well, sortof anyway ;-)
[10:56] <topyli> it's unix-like enough for me
[10:56] <Seveas> topyli, which implies that linx is better than windows :)
[10:56] <Silentsol> what does it mean to be "native unix
[10:57] <topyli> Seveas: exactly :)
[10:57] <deprave> i think linux works out well for desktop operations, for name/web/mail servers i prefer fbsd. it's all about preference methinks.
[10:57] <Seveas> Silentsol, nothing :)
[10:57] <juanp983> Hello
[10:57] <Seveas> deprave, indeed
[10:57] <Razor-X> I can't stand DOS, meself
[10:57] <topyli> Silentsol: mu
[10:57] <occy> hey gang, I have booted up to single user mode:   linux single   and when I press enter, it waits 10 seconds and then returns back to asking for the login screen.
[10:57] <bimberi> Seveas: are you saying that nothing is better than windows ? :)
[10:57] <Choubaka> Silentsol: to have the conformed to the UNIX spec and to have paid for the right to use the label or something
[10:57] <deprave> he's saying anything is better than windows.
[10:57] <LinuxJones> I think we're running offtopic with all this UNIX banter.
[10:57] <skalpel> what does this erro mean inside of graveman when trying to write an audio cd?
[10:57] <skalpel> Can't open input file '(null)': No such file or directory
[10:57] <Silentsol> is mac "native unix"
[10:57] <Seveas> bimberi, having nothing is better than having windows ;)
[10:57] <concept10> I dont think anyone here knows the real difference between Linux and true UNIX. IMHO
[10:57] <skalpel> can someoen tell me?
[10:57] <Seveas> (imao)
[10:57] <Choubaka> Silentsol: no
[10:57] <Razor-X> concept10: not many do
[10:57] <Silentsol> good
[10:58] <Silentsol>  so im going to tell my friend that hes an idiot
[10:58] <jmanns> my gnome desktop went blank on me.  how do i fix it?
[10:58] <Razor-X> because, how many people have _really_ read the GPL?
[10:58] <Razor-X> ;)
[10:58] <jowi> skalpel, "the file does not exist"?
[10:58] <bimberi> seveas, deprave: tvm - that's much clearer to me now ;)
[10:58] <jmanns> all the desktop icons are gone
[10:58] <Choubaka> Razor-X: I have.
[10:58] <Seveas> Razor-X, I have :)
[10:58] <topyli> Razor-X: me!
[10:58] <topyli> hehe
[10:58] <Razor-X> but, the average user?
[10:58] <rorviker> I got a SB live card that aint working properly, when I boost the voulme up on my stereo without playing anything there is a "bang" like every half sec. and I need to boost the volume almost to max to hear anything, and the volume on the computer is not low.. help plz :)
[10:58] <Silentsol> hes like "im getting a mac" and im like "why" and hes all like "its native unix" and im like "stfu, u dont even know what that means"
[10:58] <deprave> Silentsol: i'm not familiar with mac since 5'th grade computing, but isn't osx fbsd powered now?
[10:58] <Razor-X> (I have, obviously)
[10:58] <f_newton> ohboy tv aint the only myth running around here...
[10:58] <topyli> Razor-X: licenses are for developers really
[10:58] <Choubaka> Silentsol: It's unix-like :)
[10:58] <Seveas> Silentsol, he doesn't know what he's talking about :)
[10:58] <Kemito> Hey everyone.  My screen resolution is locked at 640x480 and cannot change it, i've been trying the wiki solution for this but can't seem to get it to work.  Wehre can i go to find how to fix it?
[10:59] <Razor-X> topyli: no it's not
[10:59] <Razor-X> it's good to know what you're using
[10:59] <juanp983> Pleople, i need to mount a server for video streaming, Can i help me?
[10:59] <Seveas> Kemito, did you edit xorg.conf already?
[10:59] <Razor-X> that way, someone can't undermine the fine print on ya
[10:59] <Geist|Patrick> someone there who can help me
[10:59] <concept10> deprave, OS X is two kernels joined at the hip. MACH and FreeBSD
[10:59] <Razor-X> !tell Kemito about resolution
[10:59] <Geist|Patrick> i try to install atis propritary linux driver
[10:59] <Geist|Patrick> http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_8.14.13-inst.html#176980 <--
[10:59] <deprave> concept10: ah, ok.
[10:59] <Choubaka> Who here has read MS EULA?
[10:59] <Seveas> Geist|Patrick, DON'T
[10:59] <Razor-X> Choubaka: long ago
[10:59] <Seveas> Geist|Patrick: You can read all about binary-only driver issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:59] <Kemito> Seveas: Tried that, but it made the whole graphical interface unusable
[10:59] <topyli> Razor-X: sure. like you say, to cover your own butt. but things get complicated when developing or distributing, not at usage
[10:59] <Choubaka> Razor-X: Haha. I haven't :/
[10:59] <Choubaka> Too much to read.
[10:59] <deprave> conep: is it the first of its kind or the mac os has always been built like that?
[11:00] <Seveas> Kemito, paste your xorg.conf on the pastebin please
[11:00] <Choubaka> WAY.
[11:00] <Razor-X> Choubaka: hahaha
[11:00] <deprave> concept10: is it the first of its kind or the mac os has always been built like that?
[11:00] <Razor-X> I read a lot, so it's no sweat for me
[11:00] <Choubaka> Well, I read a lot too
[11:00] <Seveas> deprave, before os X mac was crap :)
[11:00] <Razor-X> perusing legal crap is also a good skill for a Mock Trial team attorney ;)
[11:00] <Geist|Patrick> Check the modprobe manpage for more information on loading kernel modules.
[11:00] <Geist|Patrick> To verify that the AGP module is already loaded, run lsmod as root. With the X server running and the connection established, the usage count of this module must be greater than zero.
[11:00] <Choubaka> but legal text is... arg.hh.g.g.hg.
[11:00] <Seveas> and not based on mach/unix/bsd
[11:00] <Geist|Patrick> how do i get the module work like this
[11:00] <Razor-X> Seveas: Windows is getting to OS 9 shitness
[11:00] <Geist|Patrick> actually its zero for me :/
[11:00] <Choubaka> I no longer agree to MS' EULA anyway.
[11:00] <Seveas> Geist|Patrick: You can read all about binary-only driver issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:00] <skalpel> topyli: which file, the audio tracks i want to write? they exist.
[11:00] <Choubaka> Even though I don't even know what it contains for the most part.
[11:01] <action09> hi all
[11:01] <topyli> skalpel: huh?
[11:01] <juanp983> hi
[11:01] <LinuxJones> action09, welcome
[11:01] <concept10> deprave, yes. the first time.  Before MAC OS X, this type of system existed in Steve Jobs' NeXT workstations
[11:01] <Geist|Patrick> those drivers i get with apt-get dont have 3d acceleration
[11:01] <skalpel> topyli: why would i be able to add them to the que but then graveman tell me it does not exist? i can play it in my player.
[11:01] <Razor-X> one thing I hate about Windows is that, every single application uses a different license
[11:01] <deprave> Razor-X: I just found a pdf called learning c++ as a new language, written by AT&T labs, think that may be relatively helpful for my mission?
[11:01] <action09> i lost my connection to my Hoary's vino server.. i have a "ReadFromRFBServer: rdr::EndOfStream" error message do i have to restart vino or something ? please
[11:02] <Razor-X> deprave: I'm not sure how old that is
[11:02] <Seveas> action09, I think you need to restart it indeed
[11:02] <deprave> hmm touche
[11:02] <Geist|Patrick> so this faq doesnt help me with the ati driver
[11:02] <Geist|Patrick> :/
[11:02] <Razor-X> deprave: if you want a dedicated study, get a nice, say, O' Reiley book
[11:02] <Kemito> Seveas: where should I paste this? i'm on a different computer right now, actually
[11:02] <Seveas> Geist|Patrick, those drivers have it....
[11:02] <jowi> skalpel, and if you drag'n'drop the files to the "CD audio" window?
[11:02] <concept10> deprave, from the Apple site: Darwin is based on BSD (Berkeley System Distribution) UNIX and provides support for many POSIX, Linux, and System V APIs. Apple integrated the widely used FreeBSD 5 UNIX distribution with the Mach 3.0 microkernel to deliver key Darwin functionality
[11:02] <topyli> skalpel: i have no idea. i've never used graveman. perhaps you are confusing me with someone else?
[11:02] <action09> Seveas vion isn't a 'normal' service and i can't start it with /etc/init.d/vino start .. do you know how ?
[11:02] <Seveas> you just need to enable it like you would with the ones you are trying now...
[11:02] <Geist|Patrick> no i already tried it with them
[11:02] <Geist|Patrick> :/
[11:02] <Seveas> action09, ENOIDEA
[11:02] <Geist|Patrick> they dont accelerate 3d
[11:02] <Geist|Patrick> neither 2d :/
[11:03] <Seveas> Geist|Patrick, they do have 3d accel. I use them myself
[11:03] <skalpel> jowi: i will try that
[11:03] <action09> maybe like a normal vncserver..
[11:03] <Geist|Patrick> those i downloaded with synaptic dont have it
[11:03] <Seveas> Geist|Patrick, than download the good ones...
[11:03] <Seveas> the linux-restricted-modules package has them
[11:03] <LinuxJones> Geist|Patrick, yes they do, you made an error when following the instructions.
[11:04] <skalpel> jowi: i get the same error
[11:04] <jowi> skalpel, hang on
[11:04] <skalpel> topyli: what do you use for cd burning?
[11:04] <concept10> I wish it were possible to run GNOME on darwin.
[11:05] <rorviker> I got a SB live card that aint working properly, when I boost the voulme up on my stereo without playing anything there is a "bang" like every half sec. and I need to boost the volume almost to max to hear anything, and the volume on the computer is not low.. i'm using the emu10k1 drivers..
[11:05] <skalpel> jowi: alright
[11:05] <gigaclon> is there a way to choose another format when creating a archive
[11:05] <jowi> skalpel, maybe the file is corrupted or something... works fine for me (both d'n'd and 'add' with both mp3 and ogg files)
[11:05] <topyli> skalpel: nautilus handles simple data well. otherwise, gnomebaker is a nice burning app
[11:05] <kev0r> rorviker: have you tried alsamixer / alsamixergui ??
[11:06] <jowi> skalpel, what file-type are you trying to make a music cd out of?
[11:06] <rorviker> kev0r, I have turned the volumeup on alsamixer yes
[11:06] <deprave> an .chm files be viewed in ubuntu/
[11:06] <kev0r> rorviker: when i installed my emu10k1 chipset i had to tweak trough the volume cuz one bar was too low
[11:06] <jowi> skalpel, graveman converts mp3/ogg to correct format before burning
[11:06] <topyli> skalpel: i'm intrigued by serpentine too, which is supposed to handle audio cd's well. together with nautilus, they should make a nice pair
[11:06] <deprave> can .chm files be viewed in ubuntu?
[11:06] <kev0r> my advice is to try all the bars till you hear difference :P
[11:06] <rorviker> when I play a music file I need to put my stereo almost to max to hear anything and still got the bang noise
[11:06] <LinuxJones> deprave, xchm is in multiverse
[11:06] <Seveas> topyli, serpentine will be the default audio burning solution for breezy :)
[11:07] <skalpel> well, i am trying bnomebaker now and it works fine so i will probably stick with that
[11:07] <rorviker> kev0r, yeah, I saw it on the wiki that it was usually turned of
[11:07] <topyli> Seveas: if it works, i'm not very surprised. it fits the gnome environment well
[11:07] <kev0r> rorviker: the bang-noice i can't explain, but my initial config was so soft i could not hear anything
[11:07] <jowi> Seveas, serpentine? never heard of. is it in the reps now?
[11:08] <Seveas> jowi, no
[11:08] <Geist|Patrick> rebooting now...
[11:08] <Geist|Patrick> i hope i cu :)
[11:08] <topyli> jowi: might be in backports-extras
[11:08] <skalpel> what is a good ftp client for ubuntu/gnome?
[11:09] <Seveas> places -> connect to server
[11:09] <topyli> gftp
[11:09] <jowi> topyli, yep, got it
[11:09] <rorviker> kev0r, I have turned everyting possible up, except something thats off. like tone and headphone
[11:09] <rorviker> and I cant find any way to turn it on
[11:09] <kev0r> Anyone here know how to turn off the timesync at bootup? (the one that connects to ntp.ubuntulinux.org) i've this pc that's not on internet, and hangs very long on the timecheck..
[11:09] <Razor-X> I can't wait for libvorbis4.0-wstreams
[11:09] <kev0r> hmzble
[11:09] <Razor-X> or, whatever the package name is ;)
[11:09] <kev0r> i dno then :P
[11:09] <Seveas> kev0r, update-rc.d -f ntpdate remove
[11:09] <kev0r> kiss
[11:10] <Razor-X> then, we can have BASHBurn
[11:10] <skalpel> what is a good ftp client for ubuntu/gnome?
[11:10] <Seveas> places -> connect to server
[11:10] <Geist|Patrick> ok
[11:10] <Geist|Patrick> i am bakc
[11:10] <Razor-X> skalpel: gftp for GUI
[11:10] <Geist|Patrick> dispay is working
[11:10] <topyli> Razor-X: yeah, or burn
[11:10] <dimitris> Well i just finished a step by step reinstallation of ubuntu and finally solved my problem woth gtk1 applications and ungly fonts
[11:10] <Geist|Patrick> where can i check ogl now
[11:10] <f_newton> rorviker, once it boots right click on the time in upper corner of your taskbar choose adjust date n time
[11:10] <kev0r> Seveas: will removing more internet related bootup thingies speed up the boot?
[11:10] <Seveas> Geist|Patrick, glxgears
[11:10] <topyli> skalpel: or as Seveas said, you can connect to servers with the file manager
[11:11] <jowi> Seveas, topyli: serpentine seem only to be for music-cd's. i stick to graveman so i have all in one app :-)
[11:11] <tim> quick question about breezy....it is going to use gnome 2.12 correct
[11:11] <Seveas> kev0r, there are not really any others :)
[11:11] <dimitris> Seems that upgrading to the latest emule somehow made the fonts of gtk1 based apps unreadable
[11:11] <kev0r> ok, thanks :)
[11:11] <skalpel> topyli: that sounds good, i did not see that
[11:11] <Geist|Patrick> they are running
[11:11] <Geist|Patrick> a good sign?
[11:11] <skalpel> topyli: can you explain how i would do that?
[11:11] <kev0r> this is so cewl, i'm gonna build this pc in a case under a bar somewhere in a cafe, only to play mp3's... it does not have a powerswitch.. let's see how long it will run ^^
[11:11] <psychonate> dimitris, I rather like amule.
[11:12] <Razor-X> kev0r: i've made a Linux music box
[11:12] <dimitris> So do i but the latest version that uses gtk2 somehow messed up my fonts
[11:12] <kev0r> ubuntu-server install -> xfce4, gdm, x-server and xmms are installed :)
[11:12] <kev0r> nothing else
[11:12] <psychonate> dimitris, I thought you said you were using emule?
[11:12] <Razor-X> kev0r: the hardest part was buying the mini-mobo
[11:12] <Geist|Patrick> where can i check the version of ths driver?
[11:12] <kev0r> hehe, mini-mobo, sounds cute :P
[11:13] <Razor-X> well, it's expensive
[11:13] <Razor-X> I made a dperessable power switch, so that the mometn you open the box, it boots up and starts playing
[11:13] <kev0r> hmm, then it needs to sound cute idd... I've chmodded the useraccounts homedir so no settings will be f-ed up
[11:13] <deprave> Razor-X : is c++ most renown as far as languages go or ?
[11:13] <Razor-X> and used a music player that takes only 1 MB more RAM than the MP3 it playes
[11:13] <Razor-X> s/playes/plays/
[11:13] <dimitris> psychomate, sorry i use amule. I use emule in winxp and i wrote emule instead :-)
[11:13] <Razor-X> deprave: one of the most, yeah
[11:13] <deprave> i.e. if i get into it and do well, will i make some money? =D
[11:13] <psychonate> ah
[11:13] <kev0r> nice, this box users 85 mb ram
[11:13] <kev0r> playing mp3
[11:14] <Seveas> deprave, you can make money with any language
[11:14] <Razor-X> I used a very strapped down embedded OS
[11:14] <Seveas> except for things like whitespace or brainfuck
[11:14] <Razor-X> et voila ;)
[11:14] <kev0r> ah, ok :)
[11:14] <skalpel> does anyone else have any trouble with the embedded mplayer plugin stopping at 99% buffer?
[11:14] <dimitris> psychomate, Which version of amule do you have? The new with the gtk2 libraries?
[11:14] <topyli> skalpel: simply choose "network servers" from the "places" menu
[11:14] <psychonate> dimitris, are you in GNOME? Did you try changing the fonts in their little settings menu or whatever?
[11:14] <kev0r> but this mediabox needs to read USBsticks/harddrives and MP3 cd's/dvd's
[11:14] <psychonate> dimitris, amule 2.0.0
[11:15] <kev0r> only thing i haven't accomplished is the automatic usb-stick mount...
[11:15] <skalpel> topylui: i do not have a 'places' menu
[11:15] <kev0r> but i've got 2 buttons in the panel, to mount/unmount
[11:15] <skalpel> how would i start gftp? that command does not work from the command line
[11:15] <topyli> jowi: i'd like to see nautilus be able to handle audio cds too
[11:15] <dimitris> psychomate, Well i think the last time i updated to amule 2.0.3 and the fonts messed up bad in gtk1 apps
[11:15] <Seveas> skalpel, are you still running warty?
[11:15] <kev0r> skalpel: sudo apt-get install gftp; gftp
[11:15] <skalpel> seveas: hoary
[11:16] <Seveas> topyli, in breezy/gnome 2.12 it can
[11:16] <Seveas> skalpel, then you should have a places menu
[11:16] <Seveas> or are you using KDE?
[11:16] <topyli> Seveas: rocking!
[11:16] <kev0r> skalpel: if ur running KDE, don't do the apt-get thingy :P
[11:16] <dimitris> I tried everything i could find in threads in ubuntu forums such as editing the gtkrc files used, changing locales, using gtk-theme-switch to edit fonts used but still the fonts never returned to normal
[11:16] <juanp983> Somebody is using flumotion on ubuntu hoary?
[11:16] <skalpel> seveas: inside file browser? i do not see it.
[11:16] <Seveas> topyli, http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-12/
[11:16] <skalpel> kev0r: i am running gnome, like i should =)
[11:16] <Seveas> skalpel, no the menu in the panel
[11:16] <kev0r> ok, pff :)
[11:16] <mpmc> How do I install java?
[11:16] <Seveas> at the very top of the screen
[11:17] <Seveas> mpmc: To install java on Ubuntu: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, sudo aptitude install fakeroot java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , fakeroot make-jpkg [the bin file] , sudo dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[11:17] <dimitris> Well i just did a fresh install with no amule and everything seems to be ok so far
[11:17] <topyli> skalpel: darn. i read that earlier today but missed this news :)
[11:17] <mpmc> seveas: are you a bot?
[11:17] <mpmc> lol
[11:17] <Seveas> mpmc, yes
[11:17] <kev0r> LOL
[11:17] <topyli> hehe
[11:17] <jowi> lol
[11:17] <LinuxJones> juanp983, not personally but I have heard of a few people using it yeah.
[11:18] <psychonate> dimitris, I'm getting ready to upgrade to the newer version of amule; mine is old. I'll see how that goes.
[11:18] <Deancolinux> Hello, is there any way  to convert a MPEG4 movie to a AVI?
[11:18] <Aragorn_Guardian> hi all
[11:18] <Geist|Patrick> Seveas: is this the latest version of ati drivers
[11:18] <Aragorn_Guardian> Deancolinux: mplayer
[11:18] <dimitris> psychomate, let me now i am curious. I hope everything goes ok :-)
[11:18] <cs378> anyone know a good cpu temperature monitor?
[11:19] <Seveas> cs378, gdesklets has a nice one
[11:19] <topyli> Seveas: davyd's page says just "drag and drop capabilities from audio CDs". am i misunderstanding?
[11:19] <LinuxJones> juanp983, hi I have private messages disabled
[11:19] <Zodiac> hey guys
[11:19] <psychonate> Aren't all these monitors just frontends for 'sensors'?
[11:19] <Seveas> topyli, a bit lower :)
[11:19] <cs378> Seveas, apt-get install gdesklets?
[11:19] <Zodiac> I have a spare laptop, how bad of an idea is it to upgrade to breezy??
[11:19] <Seveas> topyli, just below the picture
[11:19] <topyli> Seveas: ah yes, by popular demand =)
[11:20] <topyli> very cool
[11:20] <Seveas> Zodiac, bad
[11:20] <Seveas> see topic
[11:20] <saintFrance> hey guys.. im trying to use gdesklets.. but i dont have any desklets.. and the site doesn thave it.. anyone know where i can get some?
[11:20] <juanp983> LinuxJones, Ok, no problem. I have installed the flumotion, by i have some problems in the configuration
[11:20] <Seveas> saintFrance, apt-get install gdesklets gdesklets-data
[11:20] <Zodiac> oh snap
[11:20] <LinuxJones> juanp983, you can't connect to the server ?
[11:20] <cs378> Seveas, ok thx
[11:20] <kev0r> omg Seveas ur fast :)
[11:20] <Zodiac> What if I did a fresh install??
[11:20] <Seveas> kev0r, bots always are :)
[11:21] <Seveas> Zodiac, makes no difference :)
[11:21] <topyli> Zodiac: unless of course this really is a _spare_ machine and you're willing to fix breezy :)
[11:21] <Zodiac> ha ha
[11:21] <Zodiac> Wow
[11:21] <Zodiac> so Breezy is that bad off eh?
[11:21] <kev0r> i only had like "apt-cache search gdesklets" typed and you ahd the answer :|
[11:21] <saintFrance> Seveas: when i do that.. its all messed up
[11:21] <Seveas> describe 'messed up'
[11:21] <topyli> Zodiac: just X that's all, plus some other little stuff
[11:21] <saintFrance> like it wont go to my desktop.. like it wont run at all
[11:22] <saintFrance> and gives me errors
[11:22] <Seveas> topyli, it's coming along nice, but the X transition is a really tough one
[11:22] <juanp983> LinuxJones, well, the problem is that i haven't the default.pem file
[11:22] <kev0r> then don't use it saintFrance
[11:22] <Zodiac> huh
[11:22] <Seveas> saintFrance, paste a few of the errors on the pastebin
[11:22] <Zodiac> So it wont start X?
[11:22] <skalpel> what is the best format for viewing videos?
[11:22] <Seveas> Zodiac, indeed :)
[11:22] <Seveas> skalpel, ogg theora
[11:22] <topyli> Seveas: i know ubuntu will rock again when it releases
[11:22] <Zodiac> whoops :)
[11:22] <Seveas> but almost any non-drm format can be played by mplayer :
[11:22] <Zodiac> Well I hope they work it out
[11:22] <juanp983> LinuxJones, I install the flumotion from repository for Ubuntu Hoary
[11:23] <Seveas> Zodiac, they will, there are some true geniuses working on it :)
[11:23] <Zodiac> I believe it ;)
[11:23] <saintFrance> kev0r: just wanted to make my desktop pretty :(
[11:23] <saintFrance> ill try
[11:23] <Zodiac> I want to help with the laptop support... but I am no Linux master
[11:23] <kev0r> saintFrance: can't you do that with Hoary?
[11:23] <mjr> speaking of X, anyone know if breezy will include the r300 DRI drivers that reportedly recently went from r300.sourceforget.net cvs to x.org?
[11:23] <Razor-X> Episode III is awesome ;)
[11:23] <LinuxJones> juanp983, I don't know what that is :(
[11:23] <Zodiac> so I doubt I would be of assistance if X wount start
[11:24] <Seveas> mjr, probably not...
[11:24] <Seveas> but you never know :)
[11:24] <kev0r> Seveas: since you are the alknowing here, will it take long for Xorg to start using GPU for dekstop rendering?
[11:24] <mjr> Seveas, yeah, I kinda thought it might be too soon
[11:24] <Goodspeed>  trying to overwrite `/usr/include/libnjb.h', which is also in package libnjb-dev
[11:24] <Seveas> kev0r, ENOIDEA
[11:24] <Goodspeed> how do i get rid of a package that has dependencies that i dont want o meet
[11:24] <Goodspeed> so i dont ge tthat error message?
[11:24] <juanp983> LinuxJones, well, not problem. Thz!
[11:24] <Seveas> Goodspeed, you mean installing the package without dependencies?
[11:25] <Goodspeed> the one that im trying to install doesnt havge any
[11:25] <Zodiac> Man, I wanted to be bleeding edge :(
[11:25] <Goodspeed> i tried to install one
[11:25] <mjr> maybe I might bother installing the driver code myself if it doesn't make it... (and get a new card)
[11:25] <Goodspeed> that did before
[11:25] <kev0r> Seveas: what's ENOIDEA
[11:25] <oni_> what command I must run to yaboot.cnf mods take effect?
[11:25] <Zodiac> he he
[11:25] <Seveas> kev0r, that means that i don't know
[11:25] <Razor-X> there you go, the edge of your hand is now bleeding
[11:25] <Razor-X> have fun ;)
[11:25] <kev0r> eeuuhhww, ok :P
[11:25] <Seveas> Goodspeed, maybe it's helpful to see the complete error/output...
[11:25] <Zodiac> sweeeettt
[11:25] <Razor-X> (you'll have more fun like this than you will with breezy)
[11:25] <Goodspeed> Unpacking libnjb (from libnjb_2.1.2-2_i386.deb) ...
[11:25] <Goodspeed> dpkg: error processing libnjb_2.1.2-2_i386.deb (--install):
[11:25] <Goodspeed>  trying to overwrite `/usr/include/libnjb.h', which is also in package libnjb-dev
[11:25] <Goodspeed> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[11:25] <Goodspeed> Errors were encountered while processing:
[11:26] <Goodspeed>  libnjb_2.1.2-2_i386.deb
[11:26] <linlin> are there going to be alot of new features in breezy?
[11:26] <Seveas> Goodspeed, please do not paste in here....
[11:26] <kev0r> wonder why paste.ubuntulinux.nl is made...
[11:26] <kev0r> Goodspeed: use paste.ubuntulinux.nl for that stuff
[11:26] <Seveas> Goodspeed, sudo aptitude purge libnjb
[11:27] <Goodspeed> ive got 4 othe rpackages
[11:27] <Goodspeed> can i just purge them all?
[11:27] <oni_> after modify yaboot.conf, what command I must to run?
[11:27] <Seveas> Goodspeed, yup
[11:27] <Goodspeed> holy cow thats going to remove 19 things
[11:28] <Geist|Patrick> how can i chekc the driver version of the fglrx driver?
[11:28] <guillaume_> hi
[11:28] <tim> is ubuntu breezy going to ship w/ openoffice 2?
[11:28] <Goodspeed> it just removed ubuntu desktop
[11:28] <guillaume_> what are the modules to load to be able to use a new 0 Gb ipod ?
[11:28] <Goodspeed> ...
[11:28] <Seveas> Geist|Patrick, fglrxinfo will show some
[11:28] <guillaume_> s/0/20
[11:29] <chuck54> Is there a wi-fi network scanner in ubuntu?
[11:29] <chicken> where is the file that changes where apt-get looks for files ?
[11:29] <Deancolinux> Hello, is there any way  to convert a MPEG4 movie to a AVI?
[11:29] <fusioncow> hi all.
[11:29] <vader1102> chuck54: iwlist scan
[11:29] <LinuxJones> chicken, /etc/apt/sources.lst
[11:29] <ReleaseX> I have a laptop with a dell truemobile 1150 wlan mini pci card it uses orinoco_cs, and works on installing, but scanning does not seem to work, is this common, or rather how can i get it to scan
[11:29] <oni_> Deancolinux: ffmpeg?
[11:29] <fusioncow> *sources.list
[11:30] <chicken> LinuxJones, Thanks
[11:30] <oni_> anyone can help me on yaboot?
[11:30] <Seveas> orinoco doesn't seem to supprt scanning (i've seen no orinoco cards so far that do)
[11:30] <Geist|Patrick> Seveas: thats not the original ati driver , optimes for debian?
[11:30] <Seveas> Geist|Patrick, probably...
[11:30] <Geist|Patrick> does this one support the composite extensions?
[11:30] <Geist|Patrick> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[11:30] <Geist|Patrick> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[11:31] <fusioncow> looking run a script on login... is Gnome sessions the only way to do it, or is there a particular file I should look at for editing?
[11:31] <yonil> can some1 try entering this website: http://www.freeroms.com/ ?
[11:31] <yonil> i get the html code instead the rendered page ...
[11:31] <Geist|Patrick> can u help me to fix that?
[11:32] <vader1102> yonil: it is HTML code
[11:32] <Seveas> fusioncow, ~/.gnomerc can do it too for you
[11:32] <chrissturm> whats a good gnome app to rip dvds?
[11:32] <vader1102> they haven't made it as a rendered page yet
[11:32] <Geist|Patrick> should i install the xfreedriver too?
[11:33] <oni_> can I get help on yaboot plz?
[11:33] <yonil> vader1102, oh you get that too ? weird ...
[11:33] <vader1102> oni_ if someone has the anwer they will help
[11:33] <chuck54> vader: thanks! iwlist eth1 scan :)
[11:33] <vader1102> yw
[11:34] <oni_> after making changes to yaboot.conf, what is the command I must run?
[11:34] <Geist|Patrick> Seveas: have u an idea what went wrong?
[11:34] <fusioncow> ty Seveas,   It looks like I don't have one.  Is it just a shell script?
[11:34] <Seveas> oni_: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.
[11:34] <Seveas> fusioncow, yes, you can eassily create it
[11:34] <guillaume_> what is the pkg in which ryhtmbox is ...
[11:34] <oni_> ._. I'm having a heart attack
[11:34] <Seveas> Geist|Patrick, no idea, did you install linux-686 (or linux-k7 if you're on amd) and xorg-driver-fglrx?
[11:35] <Geist|Patrick> i am running linux k7
[11:35] <Geist|Patrick> thats much faster
[11:35] <Nevado> is there an easy way to edit my mouse cursor theme? is it /etc/X11/cursors/core.theme?
[11:35] <fusioncow> ty Seveas, brb..
[11:35] <Seveas> Geist|Patrick, ok, that's good, how about xorg-driver-fglrx?
[11:35] <derekvance> i forgot my root password how can i figure it out or change it
[11:35] <Geist|Patrick> synaptic says its installed
[11:36] <Seveas> derekvance, you can reset it using sudo passwd root
[11:36] <tikka> derekvance, sudo passwd root
[11:36] <Seveas> Geist|Patrick, ok, did you edit your xorg.conf?
[11:36] <derekvance> ok
[11:36] <Geist|Patrick> i think so...
[11:36] <Geist|Patrick> i will check it again
[11:36] <Geist|Patrick> maybe i modified the wrong "ati"
[11:36] <Seveas> Geist|Patrick, paste your xorg.conf on the pastebin
[11:37] <Seveas> Geist|Patrick, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/879 my xorg.conf for an ati mobility 9600
[11:37] <Goodspeed> ahhh i cant odnwload frozen bubble
[11:37] <Goodspeed> i do apt-get update &&
[11:37] <Goodspeed> and then apt-get install frozen-bubble
[11:37] <Goodspeed> ubt it says it cant find it
[11:37] <Nevado> anyone know how i can install a new mouse theme?
[11:37] <LinuxJones> Goodspeed, I downloaded it the other night
[11:37] <Seveas> Goodspeed, did you enable universe already?
[11:37] <Geist|Patrick> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/880
[11:37] <Goodspeed> am i doing it right?
[11:38] <Goodspeed> how do you do that?
[11:38] <Seveas> Goodspeed, did you ever edit /etc/aot/sources.list?
[11:38] <Seveas> Goodspeed, did you ever edit /etc/apt/sources.list?
[11:38] <Goodspeed> negative
[11:38] <deprave> i declare c++ in a nutshell is not a good book to learn off of
[11:38] <Seveas> Goodspeed, good :)
[11:38] <LinuxJones> Goodspeed, you need to add the universe repository
[11:38] <Goodspeed> how would i do that/
[11:38] <Seveas> in that case: sudo wget http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/?download=38 -O /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:38] <Seveas> and then apt-get update
[11:38] <Seveas> and apt-get install frozen-bubble
[11:38] <prodigy> Does anyone know how to install Gartoon for Ubuntu?
[11:39] <skalpel> hi i installed limewire but when i try to start the program nothing happens, can someone help me?
[11:39] <Seveas> Geist|Patrick, your xorg.conf looks good
[11:39] <pusling> hmm... is it possible to make ubuntu run on a fat-partition ?
[11:39] <Seveas> pusling, ewwww no
[11:40] <pusling> Seveas: yeaah - I know ,)
[11:40] <Geist|Patrick> welll
[11:40] <neighborlee> does gdeb work to actually install .deb packages after downloading from internet ?
[11:40] <ubuntu> does ubuntu generaly just use debian sarge .deb's?
[11:40] <Geist|Patrick> whats wrong now :/
[11:40] <equex> if i mount my ntfs drive like this mount /dev/blah /mnt/windows -t ntfs -r -o umask=0222, how would that translate to fstab syntax ? just add two 0's at the end and remove "mount" ?
[11:40] <ubuntu> like often you don't need a .deb made specaliy for ubuntu?
[11:40] <derekvance> it worked, now every time i try to use root term, it says "failed to run /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator: child terminated with 1 status"
[11:41] <Seveas> ubuntu is indeed based on sarge
[11:41] <Seveas> but there are a lot of ubuntu-specific patches (thank god)
[11:41] <Seveas> ubuntu is indeed based on sid* i mean
[11:41] <pusling> hmm... etch is based on hoary ,)
[11:41] <derekvance> what does this mean
[11:41] <basic_> i've put kubuntu on my dads and sisters computers, works great for them out of the box
[11:41] <ubuntu> Seveas: but i can happly download sarge debs from all over the place?
[11:42] <pusling> ubuntu: if you are lucky...
[11:42] <ubuntu> Seveas: not allways but mostly
[11:42] <Seveas> ubuntu, please don't if there are ubuntu debs
[11:42] <Geist|Patrick> btw. 2d seems not to be accelarated
[11:42] <derekvance> root term wont work
[11:42] <ubuntu> pusling: lol
[11:42] <cute_bettong> ok i have a usb 2.0 card in here the computer sees it but it dosen't run anything that's been plugged into it
[11:42] <cute_bettong> what do i do?
[11:43] <basic_> i installed the cedega .deb and it worked just fine
[11:43] <Nevado> prodigy, the gartoon icons are in apt (gnome-icon-theme-gartoon or something like that)
[11:43] <derekvance> i cant log into root term
[11:43] <ubuntu> pusling: but sometime they just relable the sarge one as ubuntu
[11:43] <pusling> ubuntu: yeah.. sometimes it works - and sometimes it don't.
[11:43] <Seveas> ubuntu, sometimes sarge debs depend on a newer glibc than hoary has
[11:43] <basic_> derekvance are you using sudo?
[11:43] <Seveas> that can and will cause trouble :)
[11:43] <ubuntu> pusling: well they say its a link to ubuntu .deb but the file  name has sarge in it
[11:43] <Church_of_FoamY> Seveas: hi man
[11:44] <Seveas> derekvance, 'root terminal' wants *your* password
[11:44] <Seveas> it uses sudo
[11:44] <Seveas> hi Church_of_FoamY :)
[11:44] <pusling> ubuntu: download it, install it using dpkg -i file.deb - and if it fails, remove it with dpkg again
[11:44] <Geist|Patrick> so u have no idea either, i guess, Seveas
[11:44] <Geist|Patrick> :/
[11:44] <Church_of_FoamY> anyone know why my usb 2.0 dosen't run anything eventhough my box sees it?
[11:44] <ubuntu> Seveas: is brezy going to be like sargey like hory?
[11:44] <derekvance> no i click root terminal and a window pops up and i put in my pass, then an error window comes up
[11:44] <ubuntu> Seveas: or more like the next debian release
[11:45] <Seveas> ubuntu, breezy will again be based on sid, but with lots of newer things
[11:45] <prodigy> Nevado, how do I reach that?
[11:45] <ReleaseX> seveas, it seems as though the latest orinoco drivers allow iwlist scan
[11:45] <derekvance> it says "failed to run /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator: child terminated with 1 status"
[11:45] <pusling> Seveas: isn't breezy being based on hoary ?
[11:45] <Belutz`zZz> hooraayyy there's an update for thunderbirddd :D
[11:45] <deprave> wow
[11:45] <acidtrip> hey don't suppose any one could help me get my sound working? :S
[11:45] <Seveas> pusling, on both sid & hoary
[11:45] <ubuntu> Seveas: again? do u mean horry is sid based?
[11:45] <Seveas> ubuntu, yes
[11:45] <Seveas> just like wart
[11:46] <Church_of_FoamY> Seveas: any idea why my box sees the usb card but dosen't see anything plugged in like my thumb drive or ipod?
[11:46] <pusling> Seveas: and right now sid x-packages are based on hoary
[11:46] <Seveas> and like every version ubuntu will have
[11:46] <deprave> ok c++ in a nutshell is a terrible book for someone who knows nothing about coding to learn c++ on
[11:46] <Seveas> pusling, :)
[11:46] <Goodspeed> is there anyway to auto-download the dependencies for frozen bubble?
[11:46] <ubuntu> interesting
[11:46] <Seveas> that's a great way for ubuntu to give back to debian
[11:46] <Seveas> Goodspeed, apt will do that
[11:46] <gigaclon> is there a way to choose another format when creating a archive
[11:46] <ubuntu> debians be sarge for like ages hasn't it
[11:46] <derekvance> i need it to apt get
[11:47] <ubuntu> like they haven't rolled out another stable in years or something?
[11:47] <Seveas> derekvance, in a normal terminal type: sudo echo hello
[11:47] <Goodspeed> by typing apt-get install -f
[11:47] <Seveas> what does that say?
[11:47] <pusling> ubuntu: sarge became stable in first week of june
[11:47] <ubuntu> oh
[11:47] <ubuntu> well thats not so bad
[11:47] <derekvance> it says "failed to run /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator: child terminated with 1 status"
[11:47] <pusling> (but with kde 3.2, no xorg, ...)
[11:47] <Seveas> derekvance, in a *normal terminal* type: sudo echo hello
[11:48] <ubuntu> pusling: wasn't sarge like wait to be stable for like years?
[11:48] <vader1102> I ran Sarge for a bit but wanted to give ubuntu a chance and won't switch back
[11:48] <gigaclon> deprave, try the Deitel book on C++
[11:48] <Seveas> ubuntu, correct
[11:48] <pusling> ubuntu: yeah... a year and a half delayed.
[11:48] <derekvance> wait my message didnt copy it really said"derekvance is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[11:48] <derekvance> "
[11:48] <ubuntu> oh well yay sable ya
[11:48] <ubuntu> now
[11:48] <Church_of_FoamY> so um anyone have an answer to my question?
[11:48] <pusling> (but ubuntu hoary on work servers)
[11:49] <Seveas> Church_of_FoamY, not me, I have no clue about that...
[11:49] <Church_of_FoamY> damn
[11:49] <ubuntu> nice pusling
[11:49] <vader1102> Church_of_Foamy: does it work under a Windwos env??
[11:49] <vader1102> or have you tried it under knoppix?
[11:49] <Church_of_FoamY> yea it did then something happend
[11:49] <Church_of_FoamY> now i'm not shure what's going on
[11:50] <vader1102> hmmmmmmmm, could your port have blown?
[11:50] <Church_of_FoamY> is there a way to tell?
[11:50] <vader1102> try a different port
[11:50] <Church_of_FoamY> it's a card and it works in my wifes Windows computer
[11:50] <Geist|Patrick> some an idea why the 2d desktop is not accelerated for me
[11:50] <JaZy84> can anyone help, i'm trying to apt-get install kde. but i get a message that tsays the following packages have unmet dependedces.. then brocken packages.. any ideas?
[11:51] <Church_of_FoamY> should i try to switch it to another PCI slot?
[11:51] <vader1102>  ok, try using the knoppix cd, maybe it will see it there
[11:51] <derekvance> is there a fix?
[11:51] <vader1102> if it does then I would try to google for the answer, maybe it is a driver issue
[11:51] <nicodu10> bonjour  tous
[11:51] <Church_of_FoamY> ok wil do
[11:51] <vader1102> let me know plz
[11:51] <nicodu10> je voulais savoir si kubuntu tait aussi stable que ubuntu
[11:52] <Seveas> !fr
[11:52] <ubotu> fr is probably http://fr.ubuntuguide.org/ "Merci" to fr.ubuntuguide.org ; join #ubuntu-es or #kubuntu-es
[11:52] <Seveas> grmbl
[11:52] <nicodu10> et qu'est-ce que change  part l'interface graphique par dfaut ?
[11:52] <ubuntu> whats the differents between a shared .deb and a static .deb?
[11:52] <Seveas> nicodu10, #ubuntu n'est pas le canal francais, va a #ubuntu-fr
[11:52] <nicodu10> dsol !
[11:52] <ubuntu> whats better
[11:52] <nicodu10> sorry guys
[11:52] <andy__> nico oui c'est le meme stable
[11:52] <Seveas> ubuntu, shared is better
[11:53] <andy__> kubuntu=ubunut avec kde
[11:53] <pusling> ubuntu: if you are going for debian packages on ubuntu, go for static (Are you installing skype? ;)
[11:53] <LinuxJones> ubotu, is wrong the french channel is not #ubuntu-es
[11:53] <ubotu> Wish i knew, LinuxJones
[11:53] <nicodu10> actually i didn't understand why everybody was speaking english here
[11:53] <Seveas> !forget fr
[11:53] <ubotu> i forgot fr, Seveas
[11:53] <Exposure> everyone should speak english online
[11:53] <Seveas> ubotu fr = Va  #ubuntu-fr pour aide et discussion en franais
[11:53] <ubotu> Seveas: I don't know, could you explain it?
[11:53] <nicodu10> so i'd like to know if kubuntu is as stable as ubuntu
[11:53] <Seveas> ubotu fr is Va  #ubuntu-fr pour aide et discussion en franais
[11:53] <ubuntu> Seveas: ok cause somethime they give a static but i look and they  offer a shared
[11:53] <ubotu> i'm not going to learn illegal characters, Seveas
[11:54] <Seveas> ubotu, stupid bot!
[11:54] <ubuntu> Seveas: is it like for multi users?
[11:54] <ubotu> stupid seveas
[11:54] <Seveas> ubuntu, no it means it does not compile all libraries inside the binary
[11:54] <adam_> Hello
[11:54] <Madpilot> Seveas: ubotu won't do accents?
[11:54] <Seveas> so shared debs take up less space since they use libraries already present on the system
[11:54] <Nomad_1> Ubuntu or Debian? Ubuntu is easy all the way around but doesn't give you total control. (Feeds the lazy side of me.) Debian gives total control but thus leaving my system open to me farking it up. (This control feeds the curious side of me.)
[11:54] <Seveas> Madpilot, guess not
[11:54] <Nomad_1> Decisions Decisions
[11:55] <Seveas> Nomad_1, ubuntu gices total control too...
[11:55] <adam_> Hey is it okay for me to ask questions about Xine here?
[11:55] <Seveas> cafuego, around?
[11:55] <derekvance> seveas, is there a fix or do i need to re install?
[11:55] <Seveas> ubotu fr is Va a #ubuntu-fr pour aide et discussion en francais
[11:55] <ubotu> okay, Seveas
[11:55] <niktaris> is there a howto on how to build (not remaster) an ubuntu live cd?
[11:55] <Seveas> niktaris, what do you mean with build..?
[11:56] <Trunks> i need a boot disk for ubuntu. i cant get my other computer to boot off of the cd-rom drive
[11:56] <cute_bettong> ok i fixed it it diden't like the PCI slot it was in
[11:56] <niktaris> Seveas, I mean put together the d-i an capser
[11:56] <ubuntu> Seveas, ah so shared updates your like system directorys more that static
[11:56] <ubuntu> kinda thing
[11:56] <cute_bettong> usb 2.0 works fine now
[11:56] <cute_bettong> ^_^
[11:57] <vader1102> kool cute_bettong; I was right then?
[11:57] <Seveas> ubuntu, no shared simply takes up less space by using libraries already in there
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[11:57] <Seveas> niktaris, I know of no such guide, maybe the remastering guide shows some info
[11:57] <derekvance> 
[11:57] <derekvance> 
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[11:57] <windex> hm.
[11:57] <Trunks> i need a boot disk for ubuntu. i cant get my other computer to boot off of the cd-rom drive
[11:57] <derekvance> 
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[11:57] <Seveas> asshole..
[11:57] <vader1102> I agree
[11:57] <niktaris> Seveas, I am afraid it does not
[11:59] <marcelo>  holas
[11:59] <vader1102> Trunks: I don't know but I have been lead to belive that there was no way of getting that to work, try to boot to a win 98 boot disk and search the disk though
[11:59] <marcelo> que tal
[11:59] <Trunks> hmmm
[12:00] <vader1102> there may be a way of getting they vlmlinuz to boot that way