[12:05] <toma> frank: i don't think so. 
[12:06] <JaZy84> cane someone ehlp me add the needed repositories to get kde installed?
[12:07] <JaZy84> i added the ones in www.kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-242.php
[12:07] <JaZy84> but they don't work when i update
[12:11] <JaZy84> well i think the problem is that don't have it for popwer pc..so i need ones with 3.4.1
[12:14] <JaZy84> okay well now i found the repositories for 341 but i can't get it to apt-get install because it says depends on unresolvable dependencies any ideas?
[12:16] <toma> JaZy84: please paste your sources list and the output of the dependency on a pastebin please.
[12:16] <nikkia> done it, i think
[12:17] <nikkia> since the LAN side of the modem is only ever talking to my router, i just told it to reroute *all* ports to it's IP
[12:17] <nikkia> and i let the router deal with NAT and DMZ
[12:17] <JaZy84> toma where do i do a pastebin
[12:18] <toma> http://rafb.net/paste/
[12:19] <toma> paste the info there, press submit and let us know the url of that page
[12:22] <JaZy84> http://rafb.net/paste/results/wzXVhx82.html
[12:23] <JaZy84> toma
[12:24] <frank> JaZy84: the official looking kde repo may be your problem
[12:24] <toma> JaZy84: better comment out the warty ones. 
[12:24] <frank> JaZy84: are you using warty?
[12:24] <toma> JaZy84: and do an apt-get update followed by a apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:25] <JaZy84> yeah.
[12:25] <JaZy84> that's the 5.04 right
[12:25] <JaZy84> toma without the warty repos?
[12:25] <frank> JaZy84: no 5.04 is hoary
[12:25] <toma> JaZy84: yep
[12:25] <JaZy84> i have 5.04
[12:25] <frank> JaZy84: but the kubuntu.org packages are for hoary, not warty
[12:26] <frank> JaZy84: then why do you have warty sources?
[12:26] <JaZy84> no no i do have 4.10
[12:26] <JaZy84> ..
[12:26] <JaZy84> so i have to upgrade to 5.04 first?
[12:26] <JaZy84> ?
[12:27] <JaZy84> can i just add repos?
[12:27] <toma> JaZy84: yeah, better do a apt-get dist-upgrade after the apt-get update after removing the warty stuff
[12:27] <frank> JaZy84: probably the easiest way is to upgrade to hoary.
[12:27] <frank> JaZy84: change warty for hoary in sources.list
[12:27] <JaZy84> sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[12:27] <JaZy84> is what i was told..
[12:27] <JaZy84> let me do that.
[12:27] <JaZy84> then i'll be right back :)
[12:28] <toma> right ;-)
[12:37] <wellso> hello
[12:37] <wellso>  Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-wellso" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0. Link points to "/var/tmp/kdecache-root"
[12:37] <wellso> when i try to use kate as root via sudo i get this error 
[12:38] <_nikkia> wellso, *stop running kde as root*
[12:38] <wellso> do i have to set the ownership of kate as root
[12:38] <wellso> im not
[12:38] <wellso> im using that sudo thingy
[12:38] <_nikkia> wellso, use kdesu
[12:39] <_nikkia> sudo doesn't work for KDE apps because of the way /tmp/kde-* and so on work
[12:39] <wellso> _nikkia: is that a replacement for sudo
[12:39] <_nikkia> wellso, no, its just for running kde apps as root, really
[12:39] <wellso> _nikkia: i take it sudo gnome specific
[12:39] <_nikkia> wellso, no
[12:39] <_nikkia> sudo is a command line program, it has no concept of GUI stuff at all
[12:40] <wellso> _nikkia: so i cant invoke GUI programs via it
[12:40] <wellso> _nikkia: but kdesu can use the GUI
[12:48] <wellso> do i only use sudo when working from the command line then?
[12:49] <ma3x> good evening guys, when i install kubuntu is there mailserver installed by default?
[12:52] <Aapzak> ma3x: I would not know, mail can be frustrating :)
[12:52] <ma3x> ok
[12:54] <ray_> anybody know how to make a backup of a dvd?
[12:55] <douglas> Everytime my box starts up it synchronizes my time with ubuntu, but I think I don't have the right time zone selected, how do I select the right one so at startup I get the appropriate time?
[12:55] <Aapzak> k3b copies dvd's
[12:56] <ray_> Aapzak: regular dvd's?
[12:57] <Aapzak> ray_: data dvd's, not video dvd's
[12:57] <Aapzak> a video dvd will not fit on a 4.x Gb dvd+-rw
[12:57] <ray_> Aapzak: yeah i mean video dvd
[01:00] <Aapzak> anyone who knows rt2500+security inhere?
[01:01] <Aapzak> got the wiki
[01:05] <Sgep> Hi all
[01:06] <Sgep> On the LiveCD, how do I use a floppy?
[01:12] <Sgep> re Mez 
[01:12] <Mez> re? 
[01:14] <jdkycdoc> hi everyone, i want to install kde in a friend's computer running ubuntu, he have dial-up connection and so I was wondering if I could install kde (kubuntu-desktop) from kubuntu install CD, do you know?
[01:15] <Sgep> Mez: "re-hi". A habbit I picked up from another chat
[01:15] <Mez> fair enough
[01:24] <bobbyd> jdkycdoc, yeah sure, just grab the kubuntu instrall CD
[01:24] <jdkycdoc> bobbyd, hi, i already have it
[01:24] <jdkycdoc> bobbyd, so how do i use it?
[01:24] <bobbyd> is he running ubuntu?
[01:24] <jdkycdoc> yeah
[01:24] <bobbyd> ok one second
[01:26] <bobbyd> I think if you add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list file it should work: deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)] / hoary main restricted 
[01:26] <bobbyd> then you should just be able to to do apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[01:26] <apokryphos> The CD source depends on the actual CD you installed from
[01:27] <bobbyd> apokryphos, so you can't just all another CD source?
[01:27] <apokryphos> bobbyd: you can, sure.
[01:28] <bobbyd> so what does he need to do?
[01:28] <apokryphos> bobbyd: note the  (20050407) however there. He'll have to find out whatever the one on the CD is for him
[01:28] <apokryphos> bobbyd: but your method is right, still, and should work.
[01:28] <apokryphos> (provided you put the appropriate source, that is)
[01:28] <bobbyd> ahh ok
[01:28] <bobbyd> jdkycdoc, did you get that?
[01:29] <apokryphos> jdkycdoc: if you already have the CD then the appropriate source should already be in /etc/apt/sources.list, unless you deleted it
[01:30] <bobbyd> apokryphos, he's trying to add the kubuntu CD source to a friend's ubuntu install
[01:30] <apokryphos> Yup. So in his own sources.list he'll have the right source, so he knows exactly what to add in his friend's
[01:31] <bobbyd> ahh yes
[01:31] <bobbyd> good call
[01:32] <jdkycdoc> thanks very much for the info bobbyd, i was away for a minute im going to read it and save it now
[01:32] <bobbyd> jdkycdoc, it was all apokryphos  :)
[01:33] <jdkycdoc> then thank you both
[01:33] <apokryphos> bobbyd: :|  ...apart from the part where you gave most of the information ;-)
[01:38] <jdkycdoc> bobbyd, how do I know which is the date for the kubuntu disk i have? i cant see it in my computer because actually i dont use kubuntu
[01:48] <Aapzak> guys, I have wifi working, with 128 bits wep key, I don't understand wifi security a lot, but I only allow on mac address, 
[01:49] <Aapzak> net auth = open, wep enabled, 128bits, mac filter on. is that reasonably secure?
[01:53] <nikkia> Aapzak: the mac filter is all thats secure there :/
[01:54] <nikkia> Aapzak: WEP doesn't stop anything but casual attempts
[01:54] <Aapzak> wifi is just a big leak I guess
[01:54] <nikkia> and i mean very casual
[01:54] <nikkia> a decent PC can crack a wep 128 key in a couple of minutes
[01:54] <Aapzak> making the ap hidden is a good idea too?
[01:54] <nikkia> yeah, but....
[01:55] <bwb> is there a akode plugin for amarok available?
[01:55] <nikkia> windows can be a bit finicky with hidden ESSIDs, if you have any windows clients on your wlan
[01:55] <Aapzak> I think my nic can't do wpa in linux, so I pretty much screwed?
[01:55] <ma3x> why is kmail missing under 'internet' menu?
[01:55] <Aapzak> nikkia: I have, this same laptop
[01:56] <nikkia> Aapzak: pretty much, if you're really paranoid, you could rotate keys every day, but thats a pain
[01:56] <Aapzak> pff, I won't
[01:56] <nikkia> Aapzak: my best suggestion is to get a neighbour thats clueless
[01:57] <nikkia> i feel fairly safe noone's going to go to much effort to snoop/crack my wep on my 802.11b network given the kid next door has a wide-open 802.11g network
[01:57] <Aapzak> my router has wifi, i guess I would be better of with an ap connected to a firewall, so I can seperate my lan from wifi
[01:57] <nikkia> yeah
[01:57] <Aapzak> I have 2 wide open neihbours too
[01:58] <Aapzak> matter of fact, I've been using those the last days for inet access, my dsl was down
[01:58] <Aapzak> I;ve done no updates or any downloading, just checking mail, being online
[01:59] <equex> i dont get OpenGL working on my Radeon9200, i installed the drivers from ATI, the module appears to be loaded (appears in lsmod) still it is in Mesa Indirect mode.. xorg.conf says its enabled. any ideas?
[01:59] <aseigo> Riddell: ping?
[01:59] <Aapzak> don't you have to tell your system to use ati opengl?
[01:59] <Sgep> How do I pin something in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[02:00] <Aapzak> in Gentoo there is a command for that
[02:00] <equex> Aapzak: how would that look
[02:00] <equex> the command.. maybe its the same
[02:00] <Aapzak> lemme check
[02:01] <Aapzak> prolly not :) gentoo has superior scripts for making your life easy
[02:01] <nikkia> its not Y2k1 safe!
[02:01] <equex> Aapzak:  seems 2d acceleration is enables (judging from the snappiness of KDE)
[02:01] <Aapzak> how old is that 'new' doorbell?
[02:01] <nikkia> Aapzak: Y2k1, not Y2k
[02:01] <nikkia> Aapzak: 'Year setting: 2000 to 2099'
[02:01] <Riddell> aseigo: hi
[02:01] <nikkia> why do people NEVER learn ?
[02:01] <Aapzak> :)
[02:01] <aseigo> Riddell: nice last commit ;) freakin' "laws of physics"
[02:02] <aseigo> Riddell: also enjoyed the interview. .. have a question re:kcontrol
[02:02] <Aapzak> nikkia: people are stupid
[02:02] <Riddell> aseigo: you would have thought an artist should know which way round the colours on a rainbox go :)
[02:02] <aseigo> Riddell: what are you planning to do with sysconfig to make it usable?
[02:02] <Riddell> aseigo: sysconfig?
[02:02] <aseigo> Riddell: lol ... maybe they're just Very Straight ;)
[02:03] <aseigo> Riddell: sorry.. systemsettings
[02:03] <Aapzak> equex: opengl-update ati
[02:03] <Riddell> aseigo: it is usable, compared to kcontrol
[02:04] <aseigo> Riddell: the first page is, it's every page thereafter that isn't=)
[02:04] <Riddell> well that's just playing with kcm modules
[02:04] <aseigo> ergo my question =)
[02:04] <aseigo> what "playing" are you going to do exactly? it's a bit of a tough nut
[02:05] <Aapzak> equex: does it work?
[02:05] <Riddell> no immediate plans to change them
[02:06] <equex> Aapzak: lemme see
[02:07] <aseigo> Riddell: hrm.. i see.. i think it would be very good to get some real user testing on it, to be perfectly honest
[02:07] <Riddell> aseigo: gnome already does separate based on what needs root and what doesn't, and they're starting to realise that's quite arbitrary from a users point of view
[02:07] <aseigo> Riddell: you're going to be at aKademy, right?
[02:07] <equex> Aapzak: nope..
[02:07] <equex> Aapzak: but xorg.conf seems to be correct
[02:07] <aseigo> Riddell: agreed. i'm thinking things like the samba config, networking, etc ... 
[02:07] <Riddell> aseigo: I shall be at akademy, would be fun to take a look at it then
[02:07] <aseigo> Riddell: system issues
[02:07] <equex> and i did reboot as well
[02:08] <Aapzak> equex: run fglrxgears
[02:08] <Aapzak> or plain glxgears
[02:08] <Aapzak> no, fglrxgears I think
[02:08] <Aapzak> fglrxinfo
[02:09] <Aapzak> If the OpenGL vendor string says "ATI Technologies," then congrats! You've got the drivers working and hardware acceleration going great. If not...read on...
[02:09] <Riddell> aseigo: what do you think of konqueror's simplebrowser?
[02:10] <Aapzak> equex: ?
[02:11] <aseigo> Riddell: it's pretty much what i personally use...
[02:11] <Riddell> aseigo: any reason why KDE can't use it as default?
[02:11] <aseigo> Riddell: annoyance.
[02:12] <aseigo> Riddell: something my survey a year or so ago did show was that print is actually used fairly consistently
[02:12] <Aapzak> equex: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Rt2500WirelessCardsHowTo
[02:12] <Aapzak> nonono
[02:12] <Aapzak> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_ATI_Drivers
[02:13] <aseigo> Riddell: and personally i like the zoom buttons, but whatever. i find the "clear location bar" button highly annoying and remove it.. oh, and think about putting a spacer before the throbber. makes it look a lot nicer
[02:13] <Riddell> clear location bar is very useful, but safari does it nicer with the button inside the combo box
[02:15] <aseigo> very useful? hm.
[02:15] <aseigo> since the url bar requires keyboard usage, and the button is done with the mouse, i'm sceptical of "very". it also rated extremeley low on that survey i did
[02:16] <Riddell> I think it's most useful for pasteing with middle mouse button, which is an advanced user's thing
[02:16] <aseigo> so just paste in the page =)
[02:16] <equex> Aapzak: i got glxgears to work.. does that mean OGL works now ? i saw spinning wheels..
[02:17] <Aapzak> dunno equex, don't you have fglrxinfo?
[02:17] <equex> still fglrxinfo says Mesa Indirect.. and other GL apps doesnt work
[02:17] <equex> :)
[02:17] <Aapzak> answer?
[02:17] <Aapzak> no opengl
[02:17] <aseigo> equex: what sort of frame rate are you getting with OGL and what's your cpu hit?
[02:17] <Aapzak> prolly < 50
[02:17] <equex> aseigo: about 100
[02:17] <Aapzak> fast cpu :)
[02:18] <equex> amd2600+
[02:18] <aseigo> equex: so you are running software openGL
[02:18] <Aapzak> yeah, you have no hardware opengl at the moment
[02:18] <equex> :p
[02:18] <aseigo> equex: if it was in hardware you'd have a good framerate and virtually no cpu usage
[02:18] <Aapzak> good = ?
[02:19] <Aapzak> 100 fps is excellent in css, so what is good fps in gears?
[02:19] <Aapzak> isn't there a wiki about this?
[02:20] <Aapzak> the opengl-update script is rather large equex 
[02:22] <Aapzak> equex: do you have xcomposite manager in xorg config?
[02:23] <Geist|Patrick> hi
[02:25] <ray_> what is a good pdf veiwer for kde?
[02:25] <incubii> is kde 3.4.2 going to be merged into the default repos or will we need to add the additional on to get it
[02:25] <ray_> incubii: i had to add them....but 3.4.2 works great
[02:25] <equex> Aapzak:  xcomposite manager ? supposed to be a section in the conf file ?
[02:26] <Aapzak> forget it :)
[02:26] <Aapzak> better lookup NoDCC
[02:26] <incubii> oh im aware you have to add an extra repo im just curious if it will be added to the default ones
[02:26] <Aapzak> do you have : Option "NoDCC"
[02:26] <ray_> incubii: it will eventually
[02:26] <incubii> excellent, ill wait till then
[02:27] <Aapzak> equex: read this topic, maybe you're lucky: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3764.html
[02:28] <Aapzak> equex: I sold my Ati 9800Pro because of terrible linux support, I went back to NVidia and lived happily ever after
[02:28] <equex> :(
[02:28] <equex> lemme read that
[02:28] <Geist|Patrick> is this output correct?
[02:28] <Geist|Patrick> i reconfigured xserver and get following output:
[02:28] <Geist|Patrick> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/884
[02:29] <ma3x> there is a bug in kubuntu in kynaptic
[02:29] <Aapzak> Geist|Patrick: that looks nice
[02:29] <ma3x> when i choose which package to install, and then when the confirmation window comes up, I have no option to choose yes or no
[02:29] <ma3x> there is nothing
[02:30] <Geist|Patrick> well... which driverversion is the one which is delivered on the official sources?
[02:30] <Aapzak> ow, dunno
[02:30] <Geist|Patrick> display: :0.0  screen: 0 <-- thats expected?
[02:31] <Aapzak> yeah, most of the times
[02:31] <Geist|Patrick> ok
[02:31] <Geist|Patrick> btw. its a 9800 here too
[02:31] <Geist|Patrick> X-D
[02:32] <Aapzak> crappy drivers, get rid of it :)
[02:32] <Geist|Patrick> well... the new cards have disgusting anisotrpic filtering...
[02:32] <Aapzak> important lesson, never ever buy stuff which is not fully supported in linux/bsd
[02:32] <Geist|Patrick> especially 7800 is creepy :/
[02:32] <equex> Aapzak:  i actaully have a nvidia card around but its old.. gf4mx i think
[02:33] <Aapzak> equex: you probably get better opengl from thatone than from your ati :)
[02:33] <nikkia> hmmm, can anyone connect to www.xs26.net ?
[02:33] <Geist|Patrick> i hope ati's next blowout will support composite extensions ;)
[02:34] <nikkia> geist, given how in-bed with MS they are now, you really think they'll even bother with more linux drivers?
[02:34] <Aapzak> nikkia: does not look like it, 
[02:34] <Aapzak> timeoute
[02:34] <nikkia> Aapzak: *nod* that's what i get, wanted to make sure it wasn't something here
[02:34] <Geist|Patrick> well... why not... i try to become less pessimistic 
[02:34] <equex> grmph... :( well i dont need GL just yet,.. maybe ATI will come with some solution soon.. lots of disgruntled customers around i see
[02:34] <Aapzak> forget about ati
[02:35] <nikkia> geist, its been this way for years that i remember, i doubt ATI are gonna improve anytime soon
[02:35] <Aapzak> I agree
[02:35] <Geist|Patrick> nvidia fools their buyers with the lowest texture quality on the market
[02:35] <Aapzak> really, do yourself a favour and buy nvidia
[02:35] <Geist|Patrick> ati suxx with linux
[02:35] <nikkia> geist, better low textures than no textures
[02:35] <Aapzak> lol
[02:35] <TestMAD> nvidia is the best option for linux
[02:35] <Geist|Patrick> lets hope that matrox is developing a real good thing
[02:35] <TestMAD> i just wish the drivers had sli support
[02:36] <Geist|Patrick> TestMAD: no.. thats matrox with its OOs dirvers
[02:36] <Aapzak> matrox and 3d have never been friends
[02:36] <nikkia> *me coughs up her drink* matrox??
[02:36] <Geist|Patrick> Aapzak: u dont remember the g400?
[02:36] <nikkia> they've gotten out of the consumer market, afaict
[02:36] <nikkia> geist, he probably does, hence his comment
[02:36] <Geist|Patrick> nikkia: nobody nknowns, since their not at wallstreet
[02:36] <TestMAD> 3dfx?
[02:36] <Sgep> What additional repositories should I use?
[02:36] <nikkia> testmad, 3dfx are still around...
[02:36] <Geist|Patrick> rest in peace, 3dfx
[02:36] <TestMAD> no they not
[02:36] <nikkia> testmad, they're called nvidia now
[02:37] <TestMAD> 3dfx was bought out by nvidia
[02:37] <nikkia> testmad, yes, and the 'FX' series were designed by ex-3dfx people
[02:37] <Geist|Patrick> if their dx8 graphic card had been released we would be one or two years further in development :)
[02:37] <nikkia> testmad, largely, nvidia/3dfx did a apple/NeXT
[02:37] <Geist|Patrick> things that were planed for their card are reach now nvidia lately
[02:37] <TestMAD> i just want the new mobos that support 4 pci express vid cards to come out
[02:37] <Geist|Patrick> O_o
[02:38] <Geist|Patrick> i guess that wont be happen
[02:38] <TestMAD> 4 7800 ultra gt's (when relesed) would so rock
[02:38] <Geist|Patrick> even pci express has not enough bandwidht for that
[02:38] <TestMAD> well..ppl are workign on it
[02:38] <TestMAD> it would be awesoem to see
[02:39] <Geist|Patrick> well, there are ppl working on better spacegliders 
[02:39] <Geist|Patrick> too
[02:39] <Geist|Patrick> ;) ;)
[02:39] <Geist|Patrick> americans should be feel mad, living under the pressure of a semidictator like bush ;)
[02:40] <TestMAD> y a semidictator?
[02:41] <TestMAD> next election will be the first to have a female canidate
[02:41] <TestMAD> and the democrats are going to do it
[02:41] <Geist|Patrick> btw. usa has a deep democratic crisies... their senat is powerless, their "highcomander" has to many rights, the lobbys have to much influenz coze they buy their president and the conentration camp guantanamo
[02:41] <TestMAD> 2008 will be the year that hillary clinton runs for pres.
[02:42] <Geist|Patrick> i hope so... but then in germany we will have conservative powers
[02:42] <TestMAD> Geist|Patrick: do you live in america?
[02:42] <Geist|Patrick> a female chancler is named for this year elections
[02:42] <Geist|Patrick> no germany
[02:42] <TestMAD> then you prolly get yer info on the us from the liberal media..
[02:42] <aseigo> lol
[02:43] <TestMAD> i wasnt commenting on germany's media..but the us media
[02:43] <Geist|Patrick> ya.. i think so
[02:43] <TestMAD> so dont take it the wrong way
[02:43] <aseigo> TestMAD: you really think the US media is liberal?
[02:43] <TestMAD> yes
[02:43] <aseigo> interesting definition of "liberal"
[02:44] <TestMAD> it is tho
[02:44] <aseigo> perhaps for the US it is .. but it's hardly liberal
[02:44] <Geist|Patrick> i think it was a ironic 
[02:44] <Geist|Patrick> he tried to say, that america isn't as free as it supposed to be
[02:44] <TestMAD> the only newspaper worth reading anymore that is truly objectional is the wallstreet journal..and for tv..forget about it
[02:45] <Geist|Patrick> all i heared there is only one place left in usa thats worth to live. alasca ;)
[02:45] <aseigo> yes, i agree, american t.v. news is crap
[02:45] <TestMAD> at least in the us..i dont watch tv from other countries or read their publications...so i cant say for them
[02:45] <aseigo> esp Fox, which is ultracon
[02:45] <Geist|Patrick> they are much more influenced by canada
[02:45] <aseigo> the rest are simply ... conservative
[02:45] <TestMAD> fox..conservative??
[02:45] <TestMAD> yer crazy
[02:46] <aseigo> TestMAD: fox news, yes.
[02:46] <TestMAD> fox i wouldnt call liberal or coservative..
[02:46] <aseigo> TestMAD: the one where virtually every anchor, reporter and teleprompt reader is a known conservative
[02:46] <TestMAD> alot of stuff they do pisses off both sides
[02:46] <aseigo> one's liberalism or conservatism isn't measured by who you piss off
[02:46] <Geist|Patrick> i dont know the us media that good...
[02:47] <TestMAD> i just think that the democrats are in trouble..and are going to run hillary for pres..
[02:47] <Geist|Patrick> but if i read that usa tries to forbid the darwin's evolution theory i dont think that ur country is well educated
[02:47] <TestMAD> and the republicans to gain more favor will run rice..she's female and black.
[02:47] <TestMAD> i think its all stupid..
[02:47] <aseigo> Geist|Patrick: areas of the US only
[02:48] <aseigo> TestMAD: i'll be impressed if they run even one female candidate. two would be pretty amazing
[02:48] <Geist|Patrick> bible belt spreads
[02:48] <TestMAD> umm..the country isnt trying to forbid evolution theory
[02:48] <Geist|Patrick> it does X-D
[02:48] <TestMAD> its the holy rollers that are trying to do it
[02:49] <Geist|Patrick> its like following: there are rich fundamilistic christians that built a new school
[02:49] <TestMAD> i beleive that both should be taught but in an objectional way..
[02:49] <Geist|Patrick> in exchange they have the right to influence the content of school
[02:49] <TestMAD> just say that some ppl thinks this way..and others think that way..and thats all
[02:50] <Geist|Patrick> and these say, that the inteligent design *loooooo* should be thought
[02:50] <equex> Aapzak: dang i think i fixed the problem
[02:50] <TestMAD> well.thats also a private school..not a federal schoolt
[02:50] <Geist|Patrick> as well as darwin and the newer theories
[02:50] <equex> just set it to not use the internal agpart
[02:50] <TestMAD> theres a difference
[02:50] <Aapzak> equex: how?
[02:50] <equex> now i get like 1000-2000 fps with glgears
[02:50] <aseigo> equex: that's more like it =)
[02:50] <Geist|Patrick> well.. thats supposed to be teached in science lessons
[02:51] <aseigo> equex: per 5s, or per s?
[02:51] <pax> The US is walking Iran path. If anyone know/remember how Iran was and is now after extremists took over.
[02:51] <equex> in xorg.conf , set useInternalAGPart = "no"
[02:51] <Geist|Patrick> all i know about that out of the satiric articles about americas schoolsystes ;) ;)
[02:51] <equex> or something like that
[02:51] <TestMAD> i think that removing certain words from the pledge of aliegance was stoopid..and banning prayer from school was dumb.
[02:51] <Geist|Patrick> pax: ja... sharia vs. biblecode
[02:51] <TestMAD> everyone is too worried about being PC today
[02:51] <nikkia> equex: 1000 fps is still a terribley low number unless its a laptop :)
[02:52] <I_Eat_Plastic> Does anyone know where I can find a tutorial on how to update the nvidia drivers for kubuntu? :O
[02:52] <nikkia> equex: here's mine:
[02:52] <nikkia> nikki@nikki:~$ glxgears
[02:52] <nikkia> 23774 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4754.800 FPS
[02:52] <Geist|Patrick> in the ubuntuforums are good tutorials
[02:52] <I_Eat_Plastic> Geist|Patrick Thank you
[02:52] <TestMAD> wow. that isnt full window is it nikkia?
[02:53] <nikkia> testmad, the default window
[02:53] <Geist|Patrick> how can i output the fps if i test glgears
[02:53] <TestMAD> oh..i dont even get that good in default window..
[02:53] <nikkia> testmad, comparing anything but the default window makes no sense
[02:53] <TestMAD> i get 3500+-
[02:53] <Geist|Patrick> how do u get the fps info?
[02:53] <nikkia> Geist|Patrick: it prints it to the terminal that started it, after 5 seconds
[02:53] <equex> nikkia: is it bad for a Radeon9200 ?
[02:53] <TestMAD> nikkia..give me tips for getting my nvidia up to speed
[02:54] <equex> the 9200 is getting old
[02:54] <nikkia> equex: off the top of my head, not bad, but not great, istr getting around 1700-2000 on my 9200 when everything was configured right
[02:54] <_cj> heya
[02:54] <Geist|Patrick> 31721 frames in 5.0 seconds = 6344.200 FPS
[02:54] <Geist|Patrick> thats ok?
[02:54] <nikkia> Geist|Patrick: yeah, thats ok
[02:54] <_cj> having trouble accessing my memory card
[02:54] <TestMAD> ewhoa..
[02:54] <TestMAD> how are yall getting FPS like that?
[02:55] <nikkia> testmad, properly configured drivers :P
[02:55] <Geist|Patrick> i just reconfigured xserver
[02:55] <Geist|Patrick> and now the 3d acceleartion worx with my ati
[02:55] <TestMAD> point me in the right direction nikkia..pls
[02:55] <nikkia> testmad, one step is to make sure you're using nvidia's AGPgart, not the lousy ones in the kernel :)
[02:55] <TestMAD> even for a pci express card?
[02:56] <nikkia> testmad, no idea how PCI Express appear, but i imagine there is something similar to the AGPgart
[02:56] <Geist|Patrick> fgl_glxgears
[02:56] <Geist|Patrick> about 800FPS
[02:56] <TestMAD> hmm
[02:56] <Geist|Patrick> 1000
[02:56] <TestMAD> ill have to read on it..cus i got renderaccel on
[02:56] <TestMAD> and removed dri
[02:56] <Geist|Patrick> then u cant have 3d accell
[02:56] <TestMAD> there was no ogl to remove from xorg
[02:56] <stef> Hello ubuntus!!!
[02:57] <stef> anybody out there?
[02:57] <TestMAD> nikkia..paste yer nvidia config from xorg for me pls.
[02:58] <nikkia> testmad, not right now, i'm going to bed
[02:58] <TestMAD> k..nite then
[02:58] <Geist|Patrick> gn8 nikkia
[02:58] <TestMAD> c u tomorrow
[02:59] <Aapzak> bye bye
[02:59] <TestMAD> im gonna have to play around with my nvidia..
[02:59] <TestMAD> it would still be nice to have sli
[02:59] <Aapzak> I have 600 fps, std window
[03:00] <Aapzak> ati mob radeon 7200
[03:00] <Aapzak> no fglrx for me, too old
[03:00] <Geist|Patrick> u mean the driver is too old?
[03:00] <Aapzak> my card is too old
[03:01] <Aapzak> pre r200
[03:01] <Geist|Patrick> ok
[03:01] <aseigo> my laptop does around 200fps with the default window size glxgears
[03:01] <aseigo> but the 3D support is pretty flaky on it =/
[03:01] <Geist|Patrick> ^^ :)
[03:01] <Geist|Patrick> ok
[03:01] <Aapzak> I don't care for 3d support on this laptop with Kubuntu, as long as 2d is ok
[03:01] <Geist|Patrick> ya.. and now we have cards that are not mobile anymore
[03:01] <Geist|Patrick> nice progress O_O
[03:02] <aseigo> Riddell: ah .. one other thing about systemsettings ... diverging further and further from stock kde; how good is that?
[03:02] <Aapzak> guys, I'm leaving too, still have to configure this damn wificard in Windows :)
[03:02] <Geist|Patrick> gn8 Aapzak
[03:02] <Aapzak> tnx, u2
[03:04] <Zactivix> having trouble accessing my memory card, can anyone help?
[03:04] <Zactivix> for some reason its not detecting it
[03:04] <Zactivix> altho it worked fine on my last reboot :(
[03:04] <stef> is someone here how knows something about isp-buisiness? I need some information about the connection to the outside world!
[03:06] <stef> I meant techical information...
[03:08] <stef> all tired?
[03:09] <Zactivix> :\
[03:10] <Geist|Patrick> how can i store the kmixer settings?
[03:11] <aseigo> Geist|Patrick: they store themselves
[03:11] <stef> @zactivix whats going on by you?
[03:11] <Geist|Patrick> they dont
[03:12] <stef> :?
[03:12] <Zactivix> having trouble accessing my memory card, steg
[03:12] <Zactivix> stef
[03:12] <Zactivix> for my digicam
[03:12] <Zactivix> :*(
[03:12] <Geist|Patrick> :(
[03:13] <Zactivix> I checked top to c if it was running in the bg
[03:13] <Zactivix> and thats why it wasn't detecting
[03:13] <Zactivix> but um
[03:13] <Zactivix> nope.
[03:15] <stef> yes I see. I had atry to install an old (5y) scanner and wasnt successful
[03:16] <Sgep> How is security handeled in universe?
[03:17] <stef> paranoia??
[03:17] <crimsun> best effort
[03:20] <molmol> Peace all. 3.4.2? I'm still on 3.4.0, from the installation CD. Wanted to ask for your experience: is upgrading KDE dangerous (eg, unstable)? Will it lose my configs?
[03:21] <crimsun> molmol: it's quite safe.
[03:22] <molmol> cirmsun: "quite"? ;o) Your experience? Lost any configs? Bugs fixed? What?
[03:23] <crimsun> molmol: bugs fixed. 3.4.2 works fine here.
[03:24] <crimsun> evening, james.
[03:31] <dutch> crimsun: hello tonight..what's up  ?
[03:31] <crimsun> dutch: not much, just doing MOTU work
[03:32] <crimsun> whipping the next vlc into shape for Breezy
[03:32] <dutch> mobile technicial unit ?
[03:32] <dutch> old Navy term :)
[03:33] <crimsun> (master of the universe)
[03:33] <dutch> now, that sounds impressive..wish I had thought of it :)
[03:34] <crimsun> hehe, it has a flair to it
[03:34] <crimsun> we take care of your universe and multiverse packages
[03:36] <dutch> that's good....I think I have to use a  couple of the universe and mutliverse packages for my ham radio stuff...
[03:37] <crimsun> cool
[03:38] <_frank> crimsun: are the universe package version frozen for breezy now?
[03:38] <crimsun> _frank: no
[03:38] <TestMAD> they need to hurry up with the sli support
[03:38] <crimsun> hence why I'm still doing MOTU work ;)
[03:39] <_frank> crimsun: how much time for testing breezy is there with the final version?
[03:39] <crimsun> _frank: hopefully at least 1 1/2 months
[03:42] <Geist|Patrick> weired
[03:42] <Geist|Patrick> i dont can reactivate soundoutput of all my 5 speakers
[03:42] <Geist|Patrick> thats weired
[03:42] <Geist|Patrick> out of the box it worked fine
[03:48] <Geist|Patrick> however... gn8 for now
[03:48] <Geist|Patrick> :)
[03:49] <hon> I cannot cancel printer jobs unless I use root/sudo. how can I enable other users to do so?
[04:05] <pax> hon: have the user in lpadmin?
[04:06] <hon> I just added the user in lpadmin,
[04:06] <ICXCNIKA> Hello.
[04:06] <hon> but does it update immediately?
[04:06] <hon> there was a 300secs refresh rate somewhere in a /etc/cups/cupsd.conf
[04:07] <pax> should, you can always logout/in and try again
[04:07] <hon> it still asks for password on localhost
[04:08] <hon> ok let's logout/login
[04:09] <ICXCNIKA> Gosh. Kubuntu has to come in from the Isle of Man. That's going to take awhile to get here.
[04:10] <GPSWillie> I tried to start X windows
[04:10] <GPSWillie> no screens available
[04:12] <GPSWillie> I typed startx
[04:12] <GPSWillie> and got angry error messages
[04:13] <pax> was it working before, did you change somethin in your xorg.conf?
[04:13] <GPSWillie> no
[04:13] <GPSWillie> it has not worked so far
[04:14] <pax> ok, your card is supported?
[04:14] <GPSWillie> I believe so
[04:14] <pax> xserver is installed?
[04:14] <GPSWillie> the whole desktop is installed
[04:14] <GPSWillie> there are two vid controllers
[04:14] <GPSWillie> I don't know which one it's using
[04:15] <pax> lspci
[04:16] <GPSWillie> ok, it shows both, but doesn't say which one it's trying to use
[04:18] <GPSWillie> one card is S3 ViRGE and the other is SIS
[04:18] <pax> check xorg.conf it should tell you the BusID of the one in use
[04:20] <GPSWillie> at the risk of sounding completely retarded, where is that file and how do I check it?
[04:21] <pax>  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:21] <GPSWillie> permission denied
[04:22] <pax> use sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:23] <pax> don't worry about what you sound like, I ask questions my self on a daily basis and seek help when I can't manage
[04:24] <pax> I didn't ask you if this is a nVidia or ATI chip?
[04:24] <GPSWillie> nVidia
[04:24] <GPSWillie> it's using SiS
[04:24] <pax> yeah, start here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[04:25] <pax> install the proper driver first and see what happens
[04:28] <GPSWillie> how can I use Synaptic when I've never gotten a GUI?
[04:29] <QMario>  Is there a "Package Manager" for SUSE?
[04:30] <jsubl2> QMario: try #suse
[04:30] <pax> GPSWillie: oh you so you are on the box without X. here: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[04:30] <aseigo> QMario: yast
[04:31] <pax> GPSWillie: then, sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings
[04:31] <pax> GPSWillie: last step, sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[04:34] <GPSWillie> can't find nvidid-settings
[04:36] <GPSWillie> or rather, the package has no installation candidate
[04:36] <pax> GPSWillie sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list <-- take the (#) out of the universe and multiverse 
[04:37] <pax> !find nvidia-settings
[04:37] <ubotu> nvidia-settings: (Tool of configuring the NVIDIA graphics driver), section restricted/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0-3ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 491 kB, Installed size: 1008 kB
[04:37] <pax> GPSWillie: check spelling too
[04:43] <GPSWillie> there is no "multiverse"
[04:44] <pax> forget it then, can be addressed later. if you installed nvidia-glx, move to sudo nvidia-glx-config enable 
[04:45] <GPSWillie> it didn't seem to do anything
[04:45] <GPSWillie> just gave me another prompt
[04:47] <pax> GPSWillie: what error you get when you startx
[04:47] <pax> and no it's not supposed to do anything other than activate the driver
[04:48] <GPSWillie> fatal server error: no screens found
[04:48] <pax> ouch
[04:48] <pax> that's all?
[04:49] <GPSWillie> SIS: no matching device found
[04:50] <equex> where is a good place to add startup commands in kde ?
[04:51] <pax> .kde/Autostart/
[04:51] <Zactivix> having trouble accessing my memory card, can anyone help?
[04:52] <equex> pax: so i can just put a .sh file there ?
[04:52] <pax> sure, and chmod it to execute at start up
[04:53] <equex> well thanks :)
[04:57] <bjv> ERROR!!! libXft2 is not installed or could not be found
[04:57] <bjv> &
[04:57] <bjv> apt-get install libxft2
[04:57] <bjv> Reading Package Lists... Done
[04:57] <bjv> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[04:57] <bjv> libxft2 is already the newest version.
[04:57] <bjv> :(((
[05:01] <pax> bjv: what are you trying to do?
[05:02] <bjv> oh, compile wm. i realized i should probably bug the #windowmaker people first though.
[05:03] <bjv> they seem to be not there though.
[05:03] <bjv> googles not much help either.
[05:07] <pax> !find libxft2-dev
[05:07] <bjv> !
[05:07] <ubotu> bjv: Are you smoking crack?
[05:07] <bjv> duh...
[05:07] <bjv> i must be
[05:07] <pax> try installing libxft-dev and see what gives
[05:07] <pax> !find libxft-dev
[05:08] <ubotu> libxft-dev: (FreeType-based font drawing library for X (development files)), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 2.1.2-6ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 57 kB, Installed size: 220 kB
[05:08] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'libxft2-dev' returned no results.
[05:08] <bjv> its libxft-dev
[05:08] <bjv> no '2', like pax said. :P
[05:09] <bjv> nm, i missed your first line.
[05:09] <bjv> jesus christ i am on crack. :((
[05:09] <supernix> Hi
[05:11] <equex> one more thing. i have a problem with my dvdrom. it used to work properly, now suddenly it cant read any DVD roms, though it CAN read normal CD's. It detects that i insert a DVD too, though i get "Malformed URL" from Konquerer if i try to access it. any idea ?
[05:11] <Zactivix> what's a good FTP client for Kubuntu?
[05:11] <pax> apt-cache search ftp | grep KDE
[05:12] <Zactivix> pax
[05:12] <Zactivix> type in that whole line in command?
[05:12] <pax> hehe
[05:12] <supernix> LOL I was curious about the same thing Zactivix 
[05:12] <Zactivix> sry I'm Linux newb
[05:12] <supernix> I tried Gftp but it as best I can tell does not dynamically alter the uploads for ASCII and binary
[05:12] <pax> for ftp I simply use konqueror zac
[05:13] <bjv> i was about to say, im a newb and find konqueror and wget good enough..
[05:13] <pax> try kbear, if you can get it not to crash on you
[05:13] <Zactivix> pax...
[05:13] <Zactivix> I fucking hate konq
[05:13] <Zactivix> it crashes 1000000x
[05:13] <aseigo> ftp. how last century. =)
[05:13] <Zactivix> in one session
[05:14] <supernix> my experience has been that knoqueror always times out with anything but local disk transfers
[05:14] <aseigo> hell, i transfer things between two remote systems via konq on a regular basis =)
[05:15] <bjv> most crashes i see are because of my cheap, modified, substandard hardware.
[05:15] <bjv> :\
[05:15] <bjv> konq is stable though. :)
[05:15] <Zactivix> aseigo - sorry, man. Just telling you the issues I have :|
[05:15] <Zactivix> I wouldn't make it up
[05:16] <Zactivix> and I'm sure its something I'm fucking up
[05:16] <aseigo> Zactivix: when does it crash?
[05:16] <Zactivix> but I have friends that have similar issues
[05:16] <Zactivix> @ random.
[05:16] <Zactivix> at random.
[05:16] <Zactivix> opening new tabs
[05:16] <Zactivix> clicking a link
[05:16] <Zactivix> loading a page
[05:18] <aseigo> in the version that comes w/kubuntu?
[05:18] <equex> one more thing (only slightly kde related this time). i have a problem with my dvdrom. it used to work properly, now suddenly it cant read any DVD roms, though it CAN read normal CD's. It detects that i insert a DVD too, though i get "Malformed URL" from Konquerer if i try to access it. any idea ?
[05:19] <equex> oops i was gonna try that in #ubuntu
[05:23] <Zactivix> ciao
[05:24] <necrogami> .
[05:26] <supernix> does konqueror automatically adjust the ftp based on the content as in binary data is automatically uploaded as binary
[05:26] <supernix> ?
[05:45] <samuel> hey every one
[05:45] <samuel>  i need some help
[05:46] <samuel> how can i re edit fstab as a root.
[05:46] <samuel> i want to mount vfat and a nfts HD
[05:46] <samuel> hello
[05:52] <TestMAD> is there a linux equivalent to pcanywhere?
[05:53] <samuel> helppp.
[05:53] <samuel> how about vnfree
[05:53] <samuel> help___________
[05:53] <samuel> any body
[05:54] <samuel> yeees nobody help here.
[05:59] <pax> TestMAD: you can use pcanywhere with wine, or check out UltraVNC
[06:00] <TestMAD> thnx pax.
[06:00] <samuel> why do you want to use pcanywhere?
[06:00] <samuel> if there is any other cool server.
[06:01] <TestMAD> just curious..i got a friend interested in using linux.. but he's going to lose a leg due to diabetes soon..and he's wanting to control his desktop pc from a crappy little laptop
[06:01] <samuel> any bosy can help
[06:01] <samuel> to edit fstab as root
[06:02] <arbir> is back with KDE yahooooooo!
[06:03] <arbir> has opend kde after 2 yrs
[06:03] <pax> samuel: this a script by seveas, try it: http://ninux.net/files/fstab
[06:04] <necrogami> http://www.tightvnc.com
[06:04] <necrogami> Great VNC works on windows and linux
[06:08] <sproingie> pax: that's the sort of really nifty script that should be included with a linux distro as a pointy-clicky wizard
[06:09] <pax> sproingie: what can I say, the guy is great indeed.
[06:10] <sproingie> pax: he rescued my dpkg list ... he's a god among men
[06:11] <sproingie> ubuntu's still irksome for some tasks that windows does seamlessly for me
[06:11] <_michael> how can I view my startup log
[06:11] <_michael> or is there even one?
[06:11] <sproingie> when i insert a blank cd, i get an icon, and nothing else.  right-clicking it gives me no option like "burn cd"
[06:11] <sproingie> even after installing k3b
[06:12] <bwb> sproingie: i think devel versions already have some of those features
[06:12] <sproingie> _michael: dmesg
[06:12] <sproingie> bwb: i understand kde now has a popup when removable media is inserted.  just like windows
[06:13] <sproingie> an unobtrusive desktop notification area would have been nice
[06:13] <molmol> TestMAD: VNC and the like are relatively slow, of course. Use "fish:" with Konqui!
[06:13] <bwb> sproingie: yeah I actually agree...
[06:13] <bwb> molmol: fish is awsomeness
[06:13] <bwb> sproingie: just give things time..... desktop linux is only starting to research maturity imo
[06:15] <bwb> and by that I mean it is already quite useful (and has been for years), but some finer details still need polishing
[06:20] <StR> hi all
[06:23] <aseigo> sproingie: well, unless we can guarantee the user has a systrem tray applet running and visible .....
[06:23] <aseigo> sproingie: and passive popups won't cut it
[06:24] <aseigo> sproingie: so for now it's the best we could do. we'll be fixing that with kde4, however, by providing such a guaranteed location on the desktop
[06:24] <sproingie> how's this guaranteed location thing work?
[06:25] <sproingie> like a "sticky area" where all the icons you drag stay, no matter what desktop you flip to
[06:25] <sproingie> 'course right now they all stay all the time
[06:26] <sproingie> which itself is kind of maddening
[06:26] <aseigo> sproingie: heh. yeah, we're fixing all that with plasma
[06:26] <sproingie> but my personal favorite idea of a "special area" would be a shared area.  whatever you drag into that area is shared with everyone else in your "group"
[06:26] <sproingie> you define your group via some app like a buddy list
[06:27] <bwb> that would be pretty sleak
[06:28] <sproingie> i guess it would require being able to access the desktop tho
[06:28] <aseigo> sproingie: have you been reading #plasma? ;)
[06:28] <_frank> I had to resort to gnome-system-tools to setup my wireless network properly because the kcontrol modules would not make the settings premanent. Anyone else had this problem?
[06:28] <sproingie> and most people, me included, have the desktop pretty much covered up by app windows
[06:29] <sproingie> aseigo: i know virtually nothing about plasma other than that it's some next-gen kde thingamajiggie
[06:29] <aseigo> sproingie: the desktop covered by windows is solvable.
[06:29] <sproingie> actually, i can sort of sum up what i want in a desktop environment: groove.  something just like groove.  but built-in to everything.
[06:30] <sproingie> a desktop that had just 80% of groove's feature set would just annihilate every other desktop out there
[06:32] <Dhraakellian> when all the app windows are minimized, the only things visible other than the wallpaper are the panel-ish things
[06:32] <sproingie> me too.  they have a tendency to creep in, since i use the desktop for "temporarily" placing some things
[06:33] <sproingie> of course temporary has this way of becoming permanent
[06:33] <Dhraakellian> heh
[06:33] <Dhraakellian> that's what ~/incoming gets used for here
[06:33] <sproingie> i have an incoming as well
[06:33] <Dhraakellian> for downloaded stuff, that is
[06:33] <sproingie> it's ~/Desktop/incoming
[06:33] <Dhraakellian> heh
[06:34] <sproingie> i have a ~/dl for that, and a link to it on my desktop
[06:34] <sproingie> that's actually a link i keep deliberateluy
[06:34] <sproingie> i haven't figured out how to bind the file manager to a key
[06:34] <sproingie> so that it opens the same window when i hit that key
[06:35] <Dhraakellian> instead of launching another?
[06:35] <sproingie> right
[06:50] <_michael> alright, I got all the errors put onto one html file. Can anybody tell me what's wrong? http://www.geocities.com/mtecknology/errors.html
[06:53] <_michael> im still new to linux, but I know enough to know that those are errors should not be there?
[06:54] <jpowers> looks like drive errors
[06:54] <jpowers> scratched CD, maybe?
[06:54] <_michael> they weren't there when I installed
[06:55] <jpowers> is hdc a cd drive?
[06:55] <_michael> no
[06:55] <_michael> its an HD
[06:55] <jpowers> ah
[06:56] <_michael> is there and equivilant to m$ scandisk?
[06:56] <_michael> o yea, i'm using kubuntu
[06:56] <jpowers> http://www.unixguide.net/linux/faq/09.20.shtml
[06:56] <Dhraakellian> _michael, btw, there various pastebins out there into which you can copy and paste
[06:56] <Dhraakellian> rafb.net/paste/ being one of them
[06:57] <_michael> ok, ty
[06:57] <_michael> i try to use em, but I always forget what they are
[06:57] <Dhraakellian> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/
[06:58] <jpowers> _michael: what fs are you using?
[06:58] <jpowers> _michael: e2fsck should be able to scan ext2/ext3 partitions
[06:58] <jpowers> oh, that's just fs stuff, that looks more like hardware issues
[06:59] <_michael> i know it's either reiserfs or ext3, i can't remember which I used on this one
[06:59] <jpowers> I'd back up any important data that you have on the drive
[06:59] <jpowers> if you don't do that already
[07:00] <_michael> yea, I backup every 3 days
[07:00] <jpowers> ok
[07:00] <jpowers> did you look at that link I posted?
[07:00] <_michael> yea
[07:02] <_michael> i checked the hard drive cable and it wasn't loose at all, but power failure could be the cause
[07:02] <_michael> make sense
[07:02] <jpowers> possibly
[07:02] <_michael> what command do I use for the /etc/fstab to view partition info?
[07:02] <jpowers> I started getting stuff like that in my logs before my last HD died
[07:02] <jpowers> _michael: I like qtparted
[07:02] <_michael> my HD is only 1 yr old
[07:03] <jpowers> mine was only 6 months
[07:03] <jpowers> :\
[07:03] <_michael> wow, I'm used to them lasting a couple years
[07:04] <_michael> i have some users on this puter though that seem to think shutting down mean holding the power switch
[07:04] <jpowers> gah
[07:05] <jpowers> terrible
[07:05] <_michael> yea, almoast makes me cry
[07:05] <_michael> :P
[07:06] <_michael> got an example of how to use e2fsck
[07:06] <_ray_> anybody know when the new americas army comes out?
[07:08] <jpowers> _michael: no
[07:09] <ICXCNIKA> Do you have to have the Ubuntu CD to load Kubuntu?
[07:10] <_michael> not now
[07:10] <_michael> i can get it tommorow
[07:12] <_michael> WARNING!!!  Running e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause
[07:12] <_michael> SEVERE filesystem damage.
[07:12] <_michael> do I need to worry bad?
[07:12] <_michael> or should I just close everything and let it run?
[07:13] <qbit> hrmmumphhh! I upgrqaded from KDE 3.4.0 to 3.4.2 last night and just had to press the reset button to reboot to get the system back
[07:13] <jpowers> I would probably run it from a rescue disk instead.
[07:13] <jpowers> I run it scheduled on boot before mounting, I think.
[07:13] <qbit> was reading a pdf in kpdf and konqueror and it filled up the swap and just ran away....
[07:14] <_michael> how do I do that/
[07:14] <_michael> ?*
[07:17] <Kovecses> i had no problems with 3.4.2
[07:17] <Kovecses> works better than ever
[07:17] <_michael> k, ty for all the help
[07:17] <_michael> 342 cam with some nice bug fixes :)
[07:18] <Kovecses> does kubuntu come with kpdf?
[07:21] <pax> !find kpdf
[07:21] <ubotu> kpdf: (PDF viewer for KDE), section graphics, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3 (hoary), Packaged size: 597 kB, Installed size: 1796 kB
[07:22] <pax> indeed.
[07:22] <Kovecses> thanks pax
[07:49] <ray_> this might sound dumb but how do i change the kde menu icon?
[07:51] <nmorse> You have to physically replace it in the icons directory AFAIK
[07:51] <nmorse> It used to be labeled go
[07:51] <Dhraakellian> ray_, you could change the icon set in kcontrol > Appearance & Themes > Icons
[07:52] <ray_> Dhraakellian: ok.....i will try that
[07:52] <Dhraakellian> ray_, that changes your entire icon set though
[07:52] <ray_> Dhraakellian: well thats ok.......i only have one choice
[07:53] <ray_> Dhraakellian: i have to download more
[07:53] <Dhraakellian> if you just want to change the kmenu icon, you'd have to do what nmorse said
[07:53] <Dhraakellian> ray_, kde-look.org is a great place to look
[07:53] <Dhraakellian> I also wouldn't be suprised if there weren't a few that could be installed via apt
[07:54] <ray_> nmorse: ok.....AFAIK....what file?
[07:55] <ray_> nmorse: no folder of that name
[07:55] <nmorse> It's in /usr/share/icons/default.kde somewhere
[07:55] <nmorse> I'm looking for the exact icon
[07:56] <nmorse> kmenu.png
[07:56] <nmorse> I knew they renamed it.
[08:00] <ray_> usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/kmenu.png 
[08:01] <ray_> nope aint the one
[08:02] <ray_> well im off to bed
[08:03] <loren> what's happening to Ubuntu?
[08:03] <weirdcreep> can someon help me setup up my webcam
[08:04] <loren> i've never done it sorry, there might be someone that has though
[08:05] <zorba64> loren, why, what is happening?
[08:06] <loren> zorba64: on the site www.ubuntu.org and on LQ Radio it said Ubuntu was undergoing changes
[08:06] <loren> zorba64: according to my understanding of what i was hearing and seeing a site on ubuntu.org i've never seen before
[08:08] <zorba64> loren, try here http://www.ubuntulinux.org for the "linux" ubuntu
[08:33] <ray_> did anyone get vcdimager to work?
[08:35] <ray_> Devices
[08:35] <ray_> -----------------------
[08:35] <ray_> HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4163B A103 (/dev/hda, ) at /media/cdrom0 [CD-R; CD-RW; CD-ROM; DVD-ROM; DVD-RAM; DVD-R; DVD-RW; DVD+R; DVD+RW]  [DVD-ROM; DVD-R Sequential; DVD-RAM; DVD-RW Restricted Overwrite; DVD-RW Sequential; DVD+RW; DVD+R; DVD+R Double Layer; CD-ROM; CD-R; CD-RW]  [SAO; TAO; RAW; SAO/R16; RAW/R96P; RAW/R96R] 
[08:35] <ray_> K3bVcdXml:
[08:35] <ray_> -----------------------
[08:35] <ray_> <?xml version="1.0"?>
[08:35] <ray_> oops sorry
[08:41] <pc19> im new to kubuntu. how do i access root? how do i put root password?
[08:42] <pc19> hello?
[08:43] <JeffAMcGee> ubuntu does not have a root user. Instead, you use sudo to run commands with root privileges.
[08:47] <JeffAMcGee> there's more information about sudo at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[08:48] <_jon> does anyone know how to increase the power of your wifi adapter past that of the limitations placed by the fcc?
[08:49] <pax> !find kxdocker
[08:50] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'kxdocker' returned no results.
[08:50] <pax> slow!
[08:52] <_jon> so i guess not??
[09:06] <ray_> anybody know how i can install the koffice filters?
[09:10] <pc19> hwo do i aptget java
[09:10] <ray_> pc19: you cant now
[09:11] <pc19> why not??
[09:11] <ray_> pc19: they took it out of backports
[09:12] <pc19> will it be back?
[09:12] <weirdcreep> how do i get svn
[09:12] <ray_> pc19: sun wants you to read the disclaimer so you have to get it from them
[09:13] <pc19> i got them in targz
[09:13] <pc19> i dont know how to install
[09:13] <ray_> but you can install java-package do a fakeroot java-pakage (name of java file) then it will create a deb file
[09:14] <ray_> u get that?
[09:16] <ray_> tar?
[09:16] <ray_> no they come in .bin format
[09:16] <pc19> i saw the bin file already\
[09:16] <ray_> did you apt-get java-package
[09:16] <pc19> no
[09:16] <pc19> just download it from the website\
[09:16] <ray_> NOOOOOOOOOOOO
[09:16] <pc19> what do i do?
[09:16] <ray_> apt it
[09:17] <pc19> but u said it s not available
[09:17] <ray_> java isnt you need java-package to install java
[09:17] <ray_> do you know how to install a .deb file?
[09:17] <pc19> no
[09:18] <pc19> so can u do step by step
[09:18] <pc19> im sorry im a noob
[09:18] <ray_> yeah...do you have the java.bin file
[09:18] <weirdcreep> its ok pc19 
[09:19] <pc19> yeah
[09:19] <ray_> ok
[09:19] <ray_> do you have multiverse in your apt list?
[09:19] <pc19> how do i know
[09:19] <ray_> ok then you dont
[09:19] <ray_> open konsole
[09:20] <pc19> ok
[09:20] <ray_> do a    sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:20] <ICXCNIKA> Gosh I wish the company that supports Kubuntu wasn't all the way out in the Isle of Man
[09:21] <pc19> and?
[09:21] <ray_> add these lines at the bottom
[09:21] <ray_> #deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[09:21] <ray_> #deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[09:21] <ray_> but take out the #
[09:23] <ray_> u do it?
[09:23] <pc19> yes done
[09:24] <ray_> ok and now add
[09:24] <ray_> #deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[09:24] <ray_> #deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[09:24] <ray_> without the #
[09:25] <ray_> just copy and paste bro
[09:26] <ray_> u got that in there?
[09:27] <pc19> yes done
[09:27] <ray_> ok
[09:27] <ray_> now hit Ctrl X
[09:28] <ray_> save it
[09:28] <pc19> now?
[09:28] <ray_> sudo apt-get update
[09:29] <pc19> cool
[09:29] <ray_> now sudo apt-get install java-package
[09:29] <pc19> wow youre the greatest
[09:30] <ray_> ok now
[09:30] <ray_> you have to do a
[09:30] <pc19> what
[09:31] <ray_> fakeroot java-package THENAMEOFYOURJAVA.BIN file
[09:31] <ray_> like the name of the file you downloaded
[09:32] <ray_> does this make any sense
[09:33] <pc19> c19@up2zion:~$ fakeroot java-package jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin
[09:33] <pc19> /usr/bin/fakeroot: line 150: java-package: command not found
[09:34] <ray_> just type in java-package see what happens
[09:35] <ray_> ohh im stupid
[09:35] <ray_> its
[09:35] <ray_> fakeroot make-jpkg THENAMEOFYOURJAVA.BIN file
[09:37] <ray_> sorry man
[09:37] <ray_> im drunk
[09:37] <ray_> u still there
[09:38] <ray_> ?
[09:38] <ray_> ubotu: whats up?
[09:38] <ubotu> ray_: Are you smoking crack?
[09:38] <ray_> ubotu: yes
[09:38] <ubotu> Yes, yes! Yes indeed. Who would have thought it, eh, ray_?
[09:39] <ray_> ubotu: do you want to fight?
[09:39] <ubotu> ray_: Are you smoking crack?
[09:39] <ray_> ubotu: kde
[09:39] <ray_> ubotu: koffice
[09:39] <ubotu> ray_: I give up, what is it?
[09:39] <ray_> ubotu: 686
[09:39] <ubotu> ray_: I don't know, could you explain it?
[09:40] <ray_> ubotu: bot
[09:40] <ubotu> Indeed, that is what I am.
[09:40] <ray_> ubotu: your cool
[09:40] <ubotu> ray_: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[09:40] <ray_> ubotu: repos
[09:40] <ubotu> repos is, like, at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[09:40] <ray_> ubotu: thank you
[09:40] <ubotu> ray_: pas de quoi
[09:41] <ray_> !find snes9express
[09:41] <ubotu> snes9express: (GTK+ front-end for snes9x), section multiverse/otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1.42-2 (hoary), Packaged size: 393 kB, Installed size: 820 kB
[09:41] <ray_> !find znes
[09:43] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'znes' returned no results.
[09:43] <ray_> !find zsnes
[09:43] <ubotu> zsnes: (Emulator of the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (TM)), section multiverse/otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1.360-2 (hoary), Packaged size: 457 kB, Installed size: 2752 kB
[09:44] <ray_> ubotu: thank you
[09:44] <ubotu> ray_: no worries
[09:49] <pc19> sorry ifall asleep
[09:49] <hussam> I might change monitors sometime this summer. how do I reconfigure X.conf for the new monitor? ( current one is detected correctly )
[09:50] <hussam> or is reconfigured automatically on reboot ?
[10:00] <hussam> I'll ask in #ubuntu
[10:06] <federicol> Ciao a tutti
[10:17] <McScruff> lo
[10:17] <McScruff> checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp
[10:17] <McScruff> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[10:17] <McScruff> See `config.log' for more details.
[10:18] <McScruff> does anyone know how to fix this
[10:27] <hussam> Anybody knows how to automatically reconfigure xorg.conf if I get a new monitor?
[10:27] <luminerd> is there an ubuntu that comes with kde and gnome, maybe even others?
[10:39] <pax> sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[10:39] <pax> wrong window
[10:57] <insanekane> Riddell: does media:/ work for you in Breezy ?
[10:58] <nikkia_test> ignore me, just testing something :)
[11:57] <mcscruff> .
[12:14] <jpatrick> hey
[12:14] <jpatrick> how do I delete a file via the command line?
[12:14] <fromoze> rm nameofthefile
[12:15] <jpatrick> :)
[01:40] <granbar> Hey there. I've got a problem when booting the Live CD. It says that something respawns too fast. Does anybody know why?
[01:40] <ztonzy> granbar: no but I get same issue...tried to reburn my cd-rw 3 times, no luck
[01:41] <granbar> ztonzy: Did it seems like X failed to start in your case as well?
[01:42] <ztonzy> it never started either
[01:43] <ztonzy> I have given up on that live cd
[01:46] <granbar> ztonzy: Is it just that particular Live CD, or all Live CDs from Kubuntu there are problems with?
[02:34] <ma3x> what is the best linux distribution?
[02:34] <granbar> www.linux.org
[02:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol what sort of question is that?
[02:41] <P3L|C4N0> ma3x,  GNU/Linux is GNU/Linux, the selection of a distribution is a personal selection
[02:42] <ma3x> I meant what is your personal choice, debian, suse, slackware, ubuntu.. ?
[02:47] <_JakubS> ... mandrake, ark, yoper, ...
[02:50] <P3L|C4N0> xD
[02:51] <pax> ma3x: http://distrowatch.com <-- Ubuntu numero uno
[02:52] <P3L|C4N0> obvious Ubuntu!!!
[02:52] <Chameleon22> i use Logitech Elite keyboard with all them funky buttons for controlling audio, and chat, and blah blah blah ... are there any apps I could use to map those keys to the system like hotkeys or something ....?
[02:53] <pax> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultimediaKeys
[03:22] <mcscruff> can anyone help me compile amarok
[03:23] <pax> I have a multimedia keyboard I use the multimedia buttons by having the kde 
[03:24] <pax> keyboard tool running in the background. To set this up open the control 
[03:24] <pax> center and go to the regional and Accessibilty menu then to Keyboard layout. 
[03:24] <pax> Enter the country that you come from and the model of your keyboard. (you may 
[03:24] <pax> have to guess the model or use a differant model) apply this then see if you 
[03:24] <pax> can set any of the multimedia buttons in any of the standard shortcut 
[03:24] <pax> dialogs. 
[03:24] <pax> ugh
[03:32] <jpatrick> mcscruff: get it via apt
[03:33] <jpatrick> it's in universe :-/
[03:33] <mcscruff> beta :)
[03:34] <jpatrick> :P
[03:34] <mcscruff> i needed to install xine framework
[03:35] <granbar> Hey
[03:35] <jpatrick> hi
[03:35] <granbar> is there a kubuntu net-install cd?
[03:35] <thoreauputic> mcscruff: actually amarok can also use the gstreamer engine
[03:35] <jpatrick> no
[03:35] <granbar> okay
[03:35] <jpatrick> it's only one CD
[03:35] <granbar> The live cd?
[03:35] <jpatrick> yes
[03:36] <granbar> Okay
[03:36] <granbar> It gives me a hard time, but I'll keep trying
[03:36] <jpatrick> :)
[03:36] <granbar> I got a "respawning too fast" error on one of my computers
[03:36] <granbar> the other one just didn't want to boot from it
[03:37] <jpatrick> did you burn as image?
[03:37] <granbar> sure
[03:37] <jpatrick> :-/
[03:37] <granbar> It boots on two of my computers
[03:37] <granbar> but not the third :)
[03:37] <jpatrick> they using the same processor?
[03:38] <granbar> Nah
[03:38] <paines> hi
[03:38] <granbar> I just tested if the third computer boots debian cd, and it does.
[03:38] <granbar> hi, paines
[03:38] <mcscruff> hi
[03:45] <martinjh99> What is the companion developer package for ImageMagick??
[03:46] <McScruff> help, my pc just shutdown because it hit the critical temperature, where can i chang this
[03:46] <McScruff> *change
[03:48] <paines> int the bios ?!?!
[03:48] <McScruff> no
[03:49] <McScruff> this is software :)
[03:49] <McScruff> kubunto horay hit critical tempereature shutting down
[03:49] <paines> are you using ksensors ?
[03:50] <McScruff> nope
[03:50] <paines> hmm
[03:51] <McScruff> miht be a new kde feature
[03:54] <paines> nrezzy any usable atm ? 
[03:54] <paines> b
[03:54] <paines> or better not ?
[03:55] <thoreauputic> paines: X is still broken
[03:56] <paines> thoreauputic, :-(
[04:05] <nikkia> hmmm
[04:05] <nikkia> anyone seen the 'apple mighty mouse' yet ?
[04:06] <McScruff> where can i find the ACPI stuff?
[04:18] <thoreauputic> nikkia: heh - does it have more than one button ?
[04:21] <Chameleon22> are there any utilities to show me keycode for my keyboard when i press them ?
[04:35] <nikkia> thoreauputic: it has no buttons
[04:36] <nikkia> thoreauputic: just a 4-position touch sensor
[04:36] <thoreauputic> nikkia: ah! interesting
[04:36] <nikkia> oh, and side touch sensors, so you can 'squeeze' it
[04:36] <thoreauputic> sounds cool ...
[04:43] <kozz> Chameleon22: xev
[05:07] <McScruff> how can i install uudeview.h?
[05:08] <jpatrick> what's that?
[05:08] <jpatrick> apart from a header file
[05:09] <McScruff> no idea
[05:09] <McScruff> klibido needs it
[05:09] <nikkia> its part of uudeview :P
[05:09] <McScruff> i installed uudeview 
[05:09] <McScruff> but no.h
[05:09] <jpatrick> :S odd
[05:09] <McScruff> checking uudeview.h usability... no
[05:09] <McScruff> checking uudeview.h presence... no
[05:09] <McScruff> checking for uudeview.h... no
[05:09] <McScruff> configure: error: Error: uudeview.h not found!
[05:10] <AnHu> Today, I tested the actual kubuntu breezy unstable version, but after installing the base system and rebooting, aptitude shows a error message. There are actual kubuntu breezy live cds. I only saw an amd64 version on the server
[05:10] <McScruff> i cant remember how i installed it before
[05:11] <jpatrick> try: sudo apt-get remove uudeview
[05:11] <jpatrick> then install it but abort and install ALL suggested packages
[05:12] <McScruff> or, maybe i should follow the instructions on klibido page (feeling stupid now)
[05:12] <jpatrick> :P
[05:14] <jjesse> quick question: everytime i start up kontact it says another version is running, but i don't see it open how can i kill that version of kontact that is running?
[05:15] <hussam> jjesse: killall kontact
[05:16] <hussam> run that in terminal
[05:16] <jjesse> no process killed
[05:16] <hussam> then it's not running weird
[05:18] <AnHu> jjesse: perhaps you can find out what error it's really when you start kontact in terminal
[05:18] <jjesse> no additonal information from when i start it in the terminal
[05:19] <jjesse> receive a window "Warning - Kontact"  Kontact already seems to be running on another display on this machine"
[05:19] <jjesse> nothing shows in the process table eiteher
[05:27] <AnHu> jjesse: perhaps apt-get remove --purge helps
[05:28] <jpatrick> is kde-look.org down?
[05:29] <jpatrick> keeps saying 'Timeout on server'
[05:30] <jpatrick> :-/
[05:31] <jpatrick> ...anyone...
[05:31] <jpatrick> _o/
[05:36] <laser_tk> yup, it's down
[05:37] <jpatrick> :( damn
[05:37] <jpatrick> Crystal Clear has no Firefox icon
[05:38] <equex> i cannot find the package kdelibs-doc anywhere, and kdevelop depends on it... (for documentation) where do i find it ?
[05:38] <jpatrick> apt-get install kdelibs-doc ?
[05:39] <equex> seems there is no packeage by that name,.
[05:39] <jpatrick> :-/
[05:39] <jpatrick> kdevelop?
[05:39] <equex> yes
[05:39] <jpatrick> try: sudo apt-get install kdevelop3
[05:40] <coolblue> backports repo not working:HELP!!
[05:40] <equex> yeah i can try that.. but kdevelop3 gave me dep problems with other apps later
[05:40] <jpatrick> have you done apt-get update?
[05:41] <equex> yes i did that yesterday and it remover kdevelop3 automatically
[05:41] <equex> so i installed the defauly kdevelop
[05:41] <jpatrick> the default kdevelop isn't as good
[05:41] <equex> default*
[05:42] <equex> might be.. i can give v3 another try,,
[05:45] <equex> yeah taht did the trick apparently
[05:45] <equex> it even restored my last kdev3 session properly
[05:45] <jpatrick> :D
[05:46] <equex> been using linux for 2 weeks, still a little rough on me hehe
[05:46] <jpatrick> I've been using it for 2 months
[05:46] <jpatrick> more or les
[05:47] <equex> been trying before, first linux i tried was redhat 7.1 i think, but there was too much hassle back then :p
[05:47] <equex> then i tried knoppix again lately and really liked it
[05:47] <AnHu> redhat *ugly*
[05:47] <jpatrick> redhat sucks
[05:48] <granbar> be nice with redhat
[05:48] <equex> yeah redhat was the first "linux to the masses" distro
[05:48] <jpatrick> costs money
[05:49] <equex> atleast for me, as a windows user, redhat was what you heard about all the time
[05:49] <equex> what i heard about*
[06:07] <lscd> Is there any reason that no one is seeding the newest kubuntu dvd for ppc?
[06:07] <lscd> only ~72% of it's available, making it a bit useless atm :/
[06:15] <nikkia> oh christ, now xs26 can't even be resolved...
[06:53] <ray_> does anybody know where i can get the koffice filters?
[06:53] <PieD> ray_: what filters ?
[06:54] <PieD> I think Koffice is provided with all the available filters on kubuntu
[06:54] <ray_> PieD: so it can open and save to word files.....does it come with them?
[06:54] <gingermark> Hi there. I'm looking to wipe a separate hard drive and format it to fat32. Can anyone recommend an idiot proof program with a nice shiny GUI to do this?
[06:55] <PieD> ray_: on my computer they were provided with koffice
[06:55] <ray_> PieD: let me check
[06:55] <PieD> but only import for word files
[06:55] <PieD> no export filter available
[06:56] <ray_> gingermark: konqueror will do that for you
[06:56] <gingermark> Really?
[06:56] <gingermark> cool
[06:56] <gingermark> ok, thanks a lot
[06:57] <ray_> PieD: yeah i have the filters.......all i had to do was look
[06:58] <PieD> but remember that currently (on the 1.3 serie) the only really working filters are the filters for KOffice formats
[06:58] <PieD> on the 1.4, the opendocument filters are not perfect
[06:58] <PieD> but with each release, they're improving them
[06:58] <ray_> well.....im gonna stick with openoffice
[07:00] <PieD> ray_: koffice 2.0 will be far better
[07:01] <PieD> but it'll be released with KDE 4
[07:01] <ray_> PieD: really I will try again then...........i heard KDE 4 was gonna be like the all time greatest
[07:02] <PieD> ray_: before KDE 4, the KDE developers (the same apply for Gnome developers) was limited in their eye-candy work
[07:02] <PieD> because of the X server and its lack of possibilities
[07:03] <ray_> PieD: oh really.....xorg has done great things
[07:03] <PieD> KDE 4 will use Qt4, and Qt4 is abusing of Render
[07:03] <PieD> ray_: Xorg is new !
[07:03] <ray_> PieD: i like xorg
[07:03] <PieD> and some parts of Xorg are horrible currently
[07:03] <PieD> ray_: I like it too
[07:03] <buz> is there a chance we'll get working composite in R7 in sept?
[07:04] <PieD> composite is working
[07:04] <buz> not really
[07:04] <buz> crashing is more likely
[07:04] <PieD> translucent windows aren't
[07:04] <ray_> how can i get my openoffice to use kde themes?
[07:04] <PieD> I think some issues are mixed together
[07:04] <PieD> Render is horrible because most drivers don't accelerate it
[07:05] <PieD> and its software rendering is slow
[07:05] <PieD> but composite can work without render
[07:05] <nmorse> Render is getting hardware acceleration soon
[07:05] <PieD> nmorse: yes
[07:05] <PieD> thanks (indirectly) to qt4 ?
[07:06] <nmorse> I have no idea why.
[07:06] <PieD> you can notice that EXA, the new X acceleration architecture for the next Xorg, which will allow render acceleration, is developed by Zack
[07:06] <PieD> Zack Rusin
[07:06] <nmorse> I just remember the developer post on the mailing list.
[07:06] <PieD> and he is a TrollTech developer, paid to work on the X server
[07:06] <PieD> since Qt4 is using render, they want render to be faster than currently
[07:07] <buz> everybody wants X to be faster
[07:07] <buz> X is really one of the biggest issues in desktop linux
[07:07] <PieD> I think it isn't : it was
[07:07] <PieD> XFree was the problem
[07:07] <PieD> thanks to Xorg, the X servers are evolving
[07:08] <PieD> I think that in one year or two, XGl will be ready
[07:08] <buz> i want xgl so bad
[07:10] <nmorse> I really just want X.org to make a release on all architectures Debian supports
[07:10] <gingermark> Ok, shouldn't have run off so fast :-) Can anyone tell me how to partition a disk using Konqueror please?
[07:10] <nmorse> Isn't it only on PPC and X86 right now?
[07:12] <wellso> hi ppl
[07:13] <PieD> gingermark: partition using konqueror ?
[07:13] <ray_> gingermark: i thought you said erase not partition
[07:13] <gingermark> Sorry
[07:13] <gingermark> Yes, erase and then format in fat32
[07:13] <ray_> ahhh
[07:13] <buz> install qtparted
[07:14] <ray_> yup qtparted
[07:14] <gingermark> Does that have a shiny gui? :-)
[07:16] <buz> yes
[07:17] <gingermark> fantastic, thanks guys
[07:24] <ray_> i heard kde4 was supposed to be really fast
[07:24] <PieD> ray_: thanks to Qt4, it'll probably be faster
[07:25] <PieD> and there will be some big "refactoring" in the core of KDE
[07:25] <PieD> for instance currently, the taskbar are handled by kicker while kdesktop manage the background
[07:25] <ray_> right
[07:25] <PieD> in KDE4, kicker + kdesktop + superkaramba will be merged into Plasma
[07:26] <ray_> ooo nice
[07:26] <jpatrick> yeah
[07:26] <PieD> off course, it'll use the new Qt4 painting engine (Arthur)
[07:26] <jpatrick> http://plasma.kde.org/cms/1033
[07:26] <PieD> allowing translucency everywhere, rounded everything and so on
[07:26] <nmorse> PieD: try E17 yet?
[07:27] <PieD> nmorse: E17 is far from that
[07:27] <nmorse> It all works on one canvasing engine
[07:27] <ghost^|patrick> hi
[07:27] <ghost^|patrick> i have a serious problem with the bootup
[07:27] <ghost^|patrick> suddenly there appeared a passwort reqiest
[07:27] <PieD> is E17 using vectorial graphics yet ?
[07:27] <ghost^|patrick> but no passwort is accepted
[07:27] <ghost^|patrick> neither any of my user ideas
[07:28] <ghost^|patrick> i cant do nothing with that system
[07:28] <ghost^|patrick> any idea whats wrong?
[07:28] <PieD> when is the password required ?
[07:28] <PieD> after the kernel is loaded ?
[07:28] <PieD> after the system services are started ?
[07:29] <nmorse> I don't know which kind of graphics it uses to render everything actually.
[07:29] <PieD> nmorse: I can answer you : they're using pixmaps everywhere
[07:29] <PieD> for instance, their clock
[07:29] <ghost^|patrick> i dont know...
[07:29] <ghost^|patrick> its the boot up
[07:29] <PieD> do you think it's dynamically drawn ? No
[07:29] <ghost^|patrick> and somethin glike tty1 is requested
[07:29] <PieD> ghost^|patrick: when exactly ? Without that information, I can't help you
[07:30] <PieD> is it asked in a graphical way ?
[07:30] <PieD> is it after the OS selection menu ?
[07:31] <ghost^|patrick> its not a bios password
[07:31] <ghost^|patrick> i choose the linux kernel
[07:31] <ghost^|patrick> then harddiscs are loaded
[07:31] <ghost^|patrick> then it stucks and asks for agamemenon@root ttby
[07:31] <ghost^|patrick> tty1
[07:31] <ghost^|patrick> then i have to press enter 
[07:31] <PieD> nmorse: for their clock, they have one picture for each needle
[07:31] <ghost^|patrick> a new line appears:
[07:32] <ghost^|patrick> 1. user id
[07:32] <ghost^|patrick> 2. pass
[07:32] <PieD> agamemenon ? Is that your computer name ?
[07:32] <ghost^|patrick> ya
[07:37] <ray_> ghost^|patrick: sounds like a reinstall is in order
[07:38] <ghost^|patrick> no.5 then :(
[07:38] <ray_> when i unmount a floppy the damn icon stays on my desktop
[07:38] <ghost^|patrick> but first i have to figure out, why the dump system freezed suddenly
[07:39] <ghost^|patrick> and produced this issue now :(
[07:39] <ray_> ghost^|patrick: did you do anything before this happened
[07:39] <PieD> last time I saw something like that screen, it was because of a hard drive failure
[07:39] <ghost^|patrick> i installed ati driver with synaptic and reconfigurated X Server to laod fglrx-driver instead of the ATI Mesa driver
[07:39] <ghost^|patrick> 3hours it worked
[07:40] <ghost^|patrick> then i got into the kde's appearence settings and tried to watch OGL screensaver
[07:40] <Martin> Hi, I have a problem with gamin's gam_server taking over 90% cpu. 
[07:40] <ghost^|patrick> then the system suddenly freezed
[07:40] <Martin> been looking for hours. no solutions yet.
[07:47] <ray_> TestMAD: sup test
[07:48] <TestMAD> not much
[07:48] <TestMAD> got a friend that wants to install nix on a really old thinkpad
[07:48] <TestMAD> like a p233
[07:48] <TestMAD> with 128 mb ram
[07:48] <ray_> TestMAD: oh yeah
[07:48] <ray_> TestMAD: use debian
[07:48] <TestMAD> i was thinking of a base install of kubuntu with fluxbox
[07:49] <ray_> TestMAD: or icewm
[07:49] <ray_> TestMAD: of xfcec
[07:49] <ray_> TestMAD: *xfce
[07:49] <TestMAD> but if i do a base install..will it still install konq and konversation?
[07:49] <ray_> no
[07:49] <TestMAD> ok.
[07:50] <ray_> u will want to install xchat and rox or something on his pc
[07:50] <PieD> TestMAD: on such a computer, you should forget Xorg and consider another tinyer X server
[07:51] <TestMAD> well..he really wants the full kubuntu on there..but i told him that would be kind of a bad idea..
[07:51] <ray_> yeah thats why I would use debian
[07:51] <TestMAD> PieD: what would you suggest?
[07:51] <PieD> TinyX
[07:52] <TestMAD> will the kubuntu livecd work with an ati all in wonder card out of the box?
[07:52] <ray_> TestMAD: damn small linux is pretty good
[07:52] <TestMAD> he used dsl before..he wants somethnig a little more dumbed down
[07:52] <ray_> TestMAD: no harm in trying that livecd
[07:53] <TestMAD> well hje's thniking of installing onto a few pc's too..but they're all nvidia and ati machines.
[07:53] <TestMAD> i know that the livecd doesnt work out the box on nvidia cards..but not sure on ati
[07:54] <ray_> TestMAD: mine worked and i have ati
[07:54] <TestMAD> ok..
[07:54] <ray_> TestMAD: but i had to set up 3d accel
[07:54] <TestMAD> no need to install drivers or anything?
[07:54] <PieD> it worked out of the box for nvidia too, but no 3D acceleration
[07:54] <ray_> if you want 3d
[07:54] <TestMAD> ok..well..he wont need 3d on them
[07:54] <TestMAD> umm..i tried the livecd and i got 6800gt and it didnt werk
[07:54] <TestMAD> i had to drop out to console and install the drivers for it to work
[07:55] <equex> i seem to have lost the ability to add additional keyboard layouts. only english is available.. how come? i had it set up to switch between two layouts, then it broke when i upgraded kde to 3.4.2 :(
[07:55] <equex> seems it doesnt understand what keyboard i have,even
[07:55] <equex> (104 generic)
[07:56] <ray_> equex: i have 3.4.2 and i still can get multiple...hmmmmm
[07:56] <equex> how could i make kde redetect my keyboard ?
[07:57] <equex> maybe i broke it in another way.. its a relatively fresh install and needs lots of config :)
[08:26] <jjesse> grumble grumble still having problems w/ kontact even did a reboot :(
[08:27] <Kovecses> how do i get things to start when kde starts?
[08:35] <paines> hi
[08:36] <jpatrick> hu
[08:36] <jpatrick> hi*
[08:36] <paines> i saw an photo of a guy wearing a kubuntu t-shirt
[08:36] <paines> any idea wher eto get these ?
[08:36] <jpatrick> I'd like to know that
[08:36] <jpatrick> eBay
[08:37] <paines> only cd's / dvd's
[08:37] <paines> no shirts
[08:37] <buz> what does a kubuntu shirt look like
[08:38] <paines> well, the one i saw was blue and hat the kubuntu logo big on it
[08:38] <paines> looked very nice
[08:41] <jjesse> ls
[08:41] <jjesse> sorry bout that wrong window :)
[08:43] <paines> oh, it was an ubuntu shirt -> http://jriddell.org/photos/2005-07-12-paul-kubuntu.jpg, but imagine this one in blue with an k in front
[08:43] <paines> would be damn sexy
[08:46] <kal|Sleep> hmm
[08:52] <Skaag> is there a uk.* archive for ubuntu?
[08:52] <Skaag> (mirror of us.*)
[08:53] <jpatrick> yes
[08:53] <jpatrick> it's gb.*
[08:54] <jpatrick> as in GREAT Britain
[08:59] <jatos> hi
[09:01] <jpatrick> hi jatos
[09:02] <buz> is there a way to put katepart syntax files inside my homedir instead of /usr/share/apps/katepart/syntax
[09:02] <jatos> anyone know about samba here?
[09:02] <paines> jatos: a bit
[09:03] <paines> depends on the question
[09:03] <jatos> how the f*** do I get it share a directory in such a way 98 can get at it, please excuse the lanquage...
[09:04] <paines> well, this is fpr evry windows version the same, iirc
[09:04] <paines> for
[09:06] <jpatrick> samba
[09:06] <buz> jatos: as opposed to what?
[09:06] <Skaag> is there a graphical tool for sharing folders via samba?
[09:06] <buz> google for samba encrypted password springs to mind
[09:06] <buz> Skaag: i think there might be in kcontrol
[09:06] <buz> else there's always SWAT
[09:06] <buz> samba web admintool
[09:06] <Skaag> cool, will check
[09:07] <jatos> I have that graphical tool in KDE, ain't getting me very far
[09:07] <jatos> also buz, if this of any help I set my system to share level access
[09:08] <buz> mhh i always did it more trial and error than anything else
[09:08] <jatos> allow root and jamie users access to the share \home\jamie
[09:08] <buz> usually it would eventuall use
[09:08] <buz> work
[09:08] <jatos> yeah I tryed everything Ican and no success
[09:09] <qbit> also you might need the same user account and password combo and on the linux samba box there should be a utility called smbpasswd that will add the *nix user account to samba
[09:09] <qbit> I've only used samba on freebsd and configured it manually by editing smb.conf
[09:10] <jatos> kk
[09:10] <jatos> kk
[09:10] <qbit> in inetd.conf you can put a line in for swat - on linux I don't know if it's in there by default
[09:10] <buz> well config would be the same of course
[09:10] <jatos> right if I honest, I don't have a clue with smb.conf
[09:10] <qbit> but then you can access swat at localhost:901
[09:10] <buz> its kinda black magic
[09:11] <qbit> yeah - like I said I've never used it on Linux, only FreeBSD
[09:11] <buz> there was also a version of XP that stubbornly refused to work with samba at a time
[09:11] <buz> no swat's not in inetd.conf
[09:11] <qbit> upgrade to 3.0.14 or newer fixed that
[09:11] <buz> but it's surely document around the net
[09:11] <buz> well i don't care anymore these days
[09:12] <buz> as there are no windows hosts in my land
[09:12] <buz> aah that'd be nice
[09:12] <jatos> qbit, do you have an smb.conf that shares the home directorys, if would you be able to give me a copy, either via email or by uploading it to my FTP site
[09:12] <buz> i meant to write lan
[09:12] <buz> jatos: look at the comments in the smb.conf
[09:12] <buz> theres a facility that will share home dirs automatically
[09:13] <jatos> I have
[09:14] <jatos> you know one day I will get this working and the problem will prolly be something stupidly simple
[09:14] <qbit> http://pastebin.com/327776  <= example from the 'bsd server here
[09:15] <jatos> [global] 
[09:15] <jatos> restrict anonymous = no
[09:15] <jatos> domain master = no
[09:15] <jatos> preferred master = no
[09:15] <jatos> max protocol = NT
[09:15] <jatos> ldap ssl = No
[09:15] <jatos> server signing = Auto
[09:15] <jatos> case sensitive = no
[09:15] <jatos> msdfs proxy = no
[09:15] <jatos> unix password sync = yes
[09:15] <jatos> map to guest = Bad User
[09:15] <jatos> guest account = bin
[09:15] <jatos> guest ok = yes
[09:15] <jatos> client ntlmv2 auth = yes
[09:15] <jatos> encrypt passwords = no
[09:15] <jatos> security = share
[09:15] <jatos> [homes] 
[09:15] <jatos> read only = no
[09:15] <jatos> valid users = root,jamie
[09:15] <jatos> admin users = root,jamie
[09:15] <jatos> guest ok = no
[09:15] <jatos> set directory = yes
[09:15] <jatos> delete readonly = yes
[09:15] <jatos> map archive = no
[09:15] <jatos> fstype = VFAT
[09:16] <jatos> [jamie-test] 
[09:16] <jatos> valid users = jamie,root
[09:16] <jatos> admin users = jamie,root
[09:16] <jatos> force user = irc
[09:16] <jatos> read only = no
[09:16] <jatos> path = /home/jamie
[09:16] <jatos> sorry about the length of that, but theres my smb.conf
[09:16] <Skaag> jatos you are crazy
[09:16] <jatos> why, for pasting all that?
[09:16] <Skaag> yes
[09:16] <qbit> http://pastebin.com/327777   <= is an example from my FreeBSD server
[09:16] <Skaag> there's a channel for this stuff
[09:16] <jatos> ok, I won't do that again, did it cause a problem then?
[09:17] <jatos> thanks
[09:17] <jatos> oh, I think I might use that pastebin in future
[09:17] <jatos> if not to avoid causing future annoyance
[09:18] <buz> jatos: well it'd suck pretty hard if someone else was talking ;)
[09:18] <buz> pastebin is much easier to read for us too
[09:18] <jatos> lol....
[09:18] <qbit> if you can get swat to work I think there's docs that can be easily accessed through it
[09:19] <jatos> remind me wha swat is....
[09:20] <qbit> swat is an embedded web server that allows you to config and control samba by using a web browser
[09:20] <lscd> jatos: generally, >4 lines should go on pastebin / #flood
[09:21] <jatos> does anyone have a copy of a working smb.conf as well, also lscd I will take note of that in future
[09:21] <qbit> it listens on port 901
[09:22] <jatos> ah thats what swat is...
[09:22] <jatos> I am going to try that!
[09:23] <qbit> http://www.faqs.org/docs/samba/toc.html    <= docs here
[10:21] <MikeStyle> hi umm my dvd-burner isnt working. is there a way to burn .iso files to more than one regular cd-r?
[10:30] <molmol> MikeStyle: unlikely, ISO images are file-systems, you know, directory structures and all.
[10:53] <trograin> Hello everyone. Have a problem. putted up a server, isntalled kubuntu (Server option, so only the basesystem I guess). Have 2 Eth cards. eth0 and eth1. Eth0 runs with dhcp Succesfully and gets to teh internet. Eth1 has a static IP for the itnernal LAN with the gateway beeing Eth0 external IPadress. So far so good. Have a Laptop the ifconfig is putted so that the gateway of the laptops ethcard is same as the Eth1 card on the servers Static I
[10:53] <trograin> ing the server. BUT the laptop can NOT get to the internet. What do i do wrong???'
[10:54] <trograin> the eth cards (both on the server and the one on the laptop) have correct adress on all points. stil Internal LAN is no problem, BUT to get the laptop to access the itnernet through the server I cant :( why?
[10:56] <lscd> trograin: let me see if i understand this: you installed a server with kubuntu, which has 2 ethernet cards and can access the net, and a laptop, which you connected to the server, but cannot access the net?
[10:56] <trograin> ops :D
[10:56] <trograin> yess
[10:56] <trograin> the laptop can access the server but not the internet. the server can access the internet
[10:56] <lscd> yeah - do you have any other computers?
[10:56] <trograin> nopes
[10:57] <lscd> ok - i _suspect_ that you don't have forwarding enabled
[10:57] <trograin> I guessed so
[10:57] <trograin> how do I fix that?
[10:58] <lscd> cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[10:58] <lscd> does that say 1 or 0?
[10:58] <trograin> I check
[10:59] <lscd> [there may be some nicer way in ubuntu - but i've only been running ubuntu a day, so i can only advise you of ways that work in general on linux, sorry] 
[10:59] <lscd> given that eth0 is using dhcp, i'd guess that you only have one ip address?
[10:59] <Aapzak> evening mates
[11:00] <trograin> 0 
[11:00] <trograin> 1 ipadress
[11:00] <lscd> trograin: ok, you'll want to allow forwarding, and set up nat (network address translation - it basically allows you to have more than one pc use the same net connection\)
[11:01] <trograin> and the answer was 0 on the CAT command
[11:02] <lscd> yeah
[11:16] <Aapzak> I'm testing ethereal
[11:17] <sy> anyone use linux
[11:17] <Aapzak> lots of my neighbours have wide open wifi networks
[11:18] <Aapzak> everyone uses linux
[11:19] <Aapzak> I dunno who they are, so I want to login their net and grab something which gives me the oppotunity to mail them .. help them secure their lans a bit, should I do that, or leave it as it is?
[11:20] <Aapzak> if I leave it the way it is, I still have inet when my adsl goes down :)
[11:20] <lscd> Aapzak: i'd knock on their doors and say 'hi' if you want to do something
[11:20] <Aapzak> dunno who they are, physicly
[11:20] <lscd> yes, but they're obviously not too far away
[11:20] <Aapzak> true, maybe use the audio scanner in kwifimanager to track them down
[11:21] <Aapzak> I thought of that
[11:21] <lscd> if they're non-technical _and_ jerks, they could try to prosecute you if they notice you doing anything on their lan
[11:21] <Aapzak> in Holland? dunno about that
[11:21] <lscd> the non-technical bit means they're unlikely to catch you, but i'd tend to advise talking irl
[11:22] <lscd> Aapzak: i said try, not succeed ;)
[11:22] <Aapzak> I know one neighbour, allready made appointment to secure it a bit more :)
[11:22] <Aapzak> :)
[11:22] <lscd> eh, that's good
[11:23] <Aapzak> but ... if my lan is the easiest to crack, I'll be the most favorite victom, oohhh, what to do, what to do :)
[11:23] <Aapzak> I'd prefer everyone to open their APs, but I don't trust noone on my lan, I suppose noone does
[11:24] <lscd> eh, why?
[11:24] <Aapzak> why what?
[11:25] <lscd> why would you prefer everyone open their AP?
[11:26] <Aapzak> because companies like t-mobile ask  40 Euros a month for unlimited access to their access points. If everyone whould share, you'd have internet everywhere for free
[11:26] <lscd> yeah
[11:26] <Aapzak> its allready like this where I live, I can internet everywhere
[11:27] <lscd> so, start a campaign/program to maintain or extend that, and let people opt out?
[11:27] <Aapzak> problem is ... I'm trustworthy, but not everyone is
[11:27] <Aapzak> that would be nice 
[11:27] <jpowers> I think fully open ap's only work if everyone also has access to a vpn server or secure proxy to secure their pipe to the internet.
[11:27] <Aapzak> I'm responsible for my adsl connection
[11:28] <Aapzak> jpowers: true also
[11:28] <Aapzak> I don't trust the lans I visit
[11:28] <jpowers> I don't either
[11:28] <Aapzak> ssh/ shttp only :)
[11:28] <jpowers> I run a vpn at my house and hook into it from any place I hook up
[11:28] <Aapzak> thats nice
[11:29] <Aapzak> so you depend on the speed of 2 dsl connections, but you're save
[11:30] <Aapzak> I won't open my lan because I am responsible for everything coming from my modem, including spam and hacking, so I can't open my connection to people I don't know until I put a firewall between AP and inet
[11:30] <ChynphaT> hello
[11:31] <Aapzak> I'm pro sharing, but I trust noone
[11:31] <ChynphaT> im new to this whole linux kubuntu thing, but ive heard that this is one of the best distros to use, id like if someone could help me figure out how to install stuff and navigate the terminal
[11:32] <ChynphaT> or refer me to a good help guide online
[11:32] <_david> hello world
[11:32] <Aapzak> pfff ChynphaT, thats a lot of work
[11:32] <lscd> ChynphaT: yeah, two things
[11:32] <ChynphaT> =/
[11:32] <lscd> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation will tell you many important/fun bits
[11:32] <_david> do you speak french
[11:32] <lscd> and for software: try 'sudo kynaptic'
[11:32] <lscd> _david: i understand it moderately, but don't speak it
[11:32] <ChynphaT> thank you very much
[11:32] <Aapzak> it's also in the KDE menu
[11:32] <lscd> ChynphaT: np
[11:32] <_david> ok
[11:33] <lscd> Aapzak: ahh, good to know
[11:33] <Aapzak> under system I bellieve
[11:33] <lscd> <-- total newbie at kubuntu, it's been installed ~24 hours, but i've mainly been using my old systems
[11:33] <Aapzak> lscd is not new to linux?
[11:33] <lscd> i've been using linux since '99
[11:34] <Aapzak> because I think ChynphaT is new to linux
[11:34] <ChynphaT> yeh
[11:34] <lscd> yeah, but the user guides should help anyhow
[11:34] <Aapzak> lscd: you're almost a pro, if you used the right distro's that is :)
[11:34] <lscd> Aapzak: redhat -> slack -> gentoo
[11:34] <Aapzak> nice
[11:34] <Aapzak> why gentoo -> kubuntu?
[11:34] <lscd> i've tried others, but wasn't so impressed
[11:35] <lscd> because i keep recommending ubuntu to newbies who hate the sound of gentoo
[11:35] <Aapzak> Archlinux is rather nice
[11:35] <lscd> and i hate recommending things to people without trying them
[11:35] <lscd> i'm typing on gentoo; i haven't abused my kubuntu box much yet
[11:35] <Aapzak> aha, but ... Gentoo is so much nicer :)
[11:35] <lscd> well, pros and cons
[11:35] <Aapzak> I hate the compiling
[11:35] <lscd> yep, that's a con
[11:36] <Aapzak> I've been running emerge -uDav since yesterday
[11:36] <lscd> it's also much less dialup friendly than most distros, i'd say
[11:36] <Aapzak> yup, there was a new KDE
[11:36] <lscd> yey
[11:36] <Aapzak> dunno about dailup
[11:36] <lscd> i'm going on vacation in a few hours
[11:36] <lscd> so i'll upgrade when i get back
[11:36] <lscd> Aapzak: i'm happily ignoring all my modems, but a fair number of people i know still use modems
[11:36] <Aapzak> you'll be in for some fun, I had 300+ new packages
[11:37] <lscd> yeah, especially using the kde split ebuilds, i'm sure i will ;)
[11:37] <Aapzak> I'm using those, thats a releive actually
[11:37] <lscd> sure, but it makes the raw number of packages to upgrade shoot up
[11:37] <Aapzak> yeah, I only look at the Mb's anyway
[11:38] <Aapzak> even ... it was 300+ MB, not packages
[11:38] <lscd> meh... at this point it's gotten late enough that i don't even have the option of installing gentoo on my mac ;)
[11:38] <lscd> so i guess i'll toss kubuntu onto it, as i was planning anyhow
[11:38] <Aapzak> old mac?
[11:38] <lscd> no, powerbook
[11:39] <Aapzak> because I'd run OSX
[11:39] <lscd> i do, but i want to dual-boot it
[11:39] <Aapzak> allright,
[11:39] <Aapzak> the KDE people want to beat OSX by the time they get to version 4
[11:39] <lscd> i always hate spending a month without linux in summer ;)
[11:39] <lscd> mm - they won't manage
[11:40] <lscd> in pure ui, i like kde well over osx already
[11:40] <Aapzak> I just spend a week without, it was rather nice
[11:40] <Aapzak> kde is brilliant
[11:40] <Aapzak> osx has some nice feature, but I'm sure we'll steal them soon
[11:40] <lscd> but what's slick about osx is their configuration things - ie, it takes a few clicks to plug in my laptop to an ethernet cable, then set up an ad-hoc wireless network
[11:40] <aseigo> Aapzak: which features in particular did you miss?
[11:41] <lscd> kde historically has tried to stay very independant of the underlying platform
[11:41] <aseigo> lscd: yeah, that's an OS level issue .. we're just getting to the point of being able to work with the OS developers at that level in the open source desktop world
[11:41] <Aapzak> under the higer function keys are some nice features, dunno the names
[11:41] <lscd> aseigo: yes, i know - i'm happy about things like hal and udev, and some of the new xorg features will go a long way
[11:42] <lscd> expose?
[11:42] <aseigo> kompose
[11:42] <Aapzak> oh man, I'm totally in love with the kioslave
[11:42] <Aapzak> something like that
[11:42] <aseigo> and we'll be sucking in some of those things into kde4 ... oisch is working with the plasma team
[11:42] <lscd> aseigo: i've tried kompose a while ago; it wasn't anywhere near as smooth - the new xorg should help though
[11:42] <aseigo> lscd: yeah, the new stuff oisch is working on is NICE
[11:43] <Aapzak> yeah, we're getting there
[11:43] <Aapzak> I allready like it the way it is
[11:43] <lscd> yeah, i just heard of plasma early today - it sounds interesting
[11:43] <lscd> aseigo: any urls for oisch's stuff?
[11:44] <Aapzak> BTW, I've been using my mother-in-laws G4-OSX occasionally and always have the feeling I'm waiting for the system instead the other way around, it feels slugish
[11:44] <Aapzak> KDE is very very responsive
[11:44] <lscd> Aapzak: how much ram does it have? os-x is a real hog
[11:44] <lscd> Aapzak: unless you get a lot of firefox windows going ;)
[11:44] <Aapzak> dunno, just a std Imac, lovely design
[11:44] <lscd> ahh, yeah
[11:45] <lscd> apple has always shorted their machines on ram :/
[11:45] <Aapzak> the white ball, 17" widescreen tft, 
[11:45] <lscd> my powerbook has a gig, and it's quite smooth
[11:45] <Aapzak> a gig is a lot
[11:45] <lscd> osx likes at least 3/4, at least according to a mac-head friend of mine a few years ago
[11:46] <lscd> [0.75 gigs, not 3 or 4] 
[11:46] <aseigo> not to mention we can do network computing
[11:46] <aseigo> check out LTSP and/or NX by NoMachine.
[11:46] <lscd> hmm?
[11:46] <lscd> ah, yeah, nx is nice
[11:46] <aseigo> that's killer for corporate/gov/school installations
[11:47] <lscd> well, network transparancy has been built into X for a loooooong time, but making it less bandwidth-heavy was a good step
[11:49] <Aapzak> ChynphaT: are you getting somewhere?
[11:52] <Aapzak> aseigo: you are KDE devv? I saw some words from you in a KDE rss feed I believe
[11:53] <aseigo> Aapzak: yes... i'm one of the devs =)
[11:54] <aseigo> Aapzak: my blog's on planet.kde.org so that may be the rss feed you saw it on =)
[11:55] <lscd> aseigo: congrats, kde rocks ^-^
[11:55] <aseigo> =)
[11:55] <lscd> lol, kde thongs
[11:56] <ChynphaT> Aapzak, nope
[11:56] <aseigo> lscd: yeah... best mail i've gotten in a while ;)
[11:56] <lscd> hehe :)
[11:57] <aseigo> er... planetkde.org ... 
[11:59] <Aapzak> aseigo: thats probably the one