[12:08] <stub> elmo: ok. That would be good. I'll let the DNS settle for a few days
[12:08] <stub> (yes - that is a rationalization)
[12:10] <stub> cronscripts will keep running on macquarie for a bit too
[12:16] <elmo> ... ?
[12:16] <jordi> my leg hurts again, SUDDENLY
[12:19] <elmo> stub: ok, bugs.l.n and l.n mail now exists and works in the sameway as l.u.c, so feel free to switch both/either over whenever
[12:19] <stub> :)
[12:26] <elmo> do we still need the notready.u.c redirections?
[12:27] <elmo> we have it on bounties.*, lists.* and soyuz.*
[12:27] <stub> I hope not :)
[12:27] <elmo> ok
[12:27] <elmo> Name  	Title  	Domain Name
[12:27] <elmo> ubuntu 	Ubuntu Linux 	ubuntulinux.org
[12:27] <elmo> can someone fix that in the DB?
[12:27] <elmo> (i.e. to be ubuntu.com)
[12:27] <stub> ok
[12:28] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/dists--bazaar--1.5: new build (patch-71)
[12:29] <elmo> carlos: it's simple, ul.o is deprecated
[12:29] <SteveA> ubuntulinux.org is deprecated
[12:29] <stub> fuxed
[12:29] <elmo> but due to a never-ending plone story, we can't kill it
[12:29] <elmo> stub: cheers
[12:29] <SteveA> aw, major suck
[12:29] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/bazaar--devo--1.5: Allow replay --upto to be used outside the current version (patch-57: Matthieu.Moy@imag.fr)
[12:29] <SteveA> isn't that fixed yet?
[12:30] <elmo> SteveA: I dunno, vikka was making noises like it might be - I'll check/chase
[12:31] <carlos> elmo, SteveA ok
[12:31] <elmo> is it worth reporting bugs about the soyuz web interface yet, or is it still pretty raw?
[12:31] <carlos> now that the wiki is not inside plone anymore, it should not be a big problem
[12:32] <elmo> carlos: yeah
[12:32] <elmo> ok, l.u.c redirected to l.n
[12:32] <Kinnison> elmo: Report bugs
[12:32] <Kinnison> elmo: Otherwise we'll not know what to concentrate on
[12:32] <Kinnison> elmo: thanks
[12:32] <elmo> Kinnison: this is trivial stuff, but ok
[12:32] <Kinnison> elmo: Low-hanging fruit is satisfying, so go ahead
[12:35] <cprov> bradb: what  is wrong with bug #1613 ? I can't edit (  https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bugs/1613/+edit)
[12:36] <elmo> and rosetta.u.c done too
[12:36] <jordi> carlos: when is Rosetta 1.0 happening?
[12:37] <jordi> carlos: hrm, Rosetta is telling me .za languages are my preferred.
[12:37] <jordi> I don't speak a word of xhosa tho :)
[12:41] <carlos> jordi, that's because there is a problem to get the country from where your ip address is from
[12:42] <carlos> jordi, does it happen always?
[12:42] <carlos> jordi, 1.0 should happen this week, today we are having a production update that should speed a bit Breezy imports
[12:44] <jordi> nod
[12:50] <mpt> carlos, what's Spanish for "Support sources for Ubuntu Epiphany"?
[12:51] <jordi> what does it mean? :)
[12:51] <jordi> Support is verb or noun?
[12:53] <carlos> mpt, please, give me some extra context...
[12:55] <mpt> carlos: This is for the page listing help and support options
[12:55] <mpt> for a package
[12:57] <carlos> mpt, "Fuentes de informacin sobre Ubuntu Epiphany"
[12:57] <carlos> jordi, please, could you improve it? my translations is too literal
[01:02] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [r/2=bradb,rs=sabdfl,trivial]  Assorted minor fixes to Malone: fix bugwatches, improve linking, remove lint warnings, UI cleanups. Fixes bugs 1622, 1479, 1465, 1340, 1401, 1402, and others which nobody had the time or patience to file. (patch-2200: christian.reis@canonical.com)
[01:02] <carlos> kiko, and you want it into production *now* ?
[01:03] <carlos> ;-)
[01:03] <kiko> YES
[01:04] <jordi> DO IT
[01:05] <jordi> carlos: at this time of the day, that seems good enough
[01:06] <jordi> because FFuentes informativas is worse I guess
[01:07] <carlos> jordi, Fuentes informativas sucks...
[01:11] <Nafallo> yay! new error while trying to add GPG-key :-)
[01:12] <Nafallo> bitches about it's inability to import my key and gives me an URL.
[01:12] <Nafallo> that URL works though, and my fingerprint _is_ correct :-)
[01:16] <mpt> thanks carlos+jordi
[01:18] <carlos> mpt, you are welcome
[01:29] <cprov> Nafallo: It's not expected to be working for you yet, did you get a different error ?
[01:30] <Nafallo> cprov: yes, with launchpad.net :-)
[01:30] <jordi> nite
[01:31] <Nafallo> cprov: Launchpad could not import GPG key, the reason was: at http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0x509CBA71&op=get.Check if you published it correctly in the global key ring (using gpg --send-keys KEY) and that you add entered the fingerprint correctly (as produced by gpg --fingerprint YOU). Try later or cancel your request.
[01:33] <cprov> Nafallo: sh.. probably connection problems between production and keyserver. did you try again ?
[01:33] <Nafallo> cprov: yea, tried a couple of times.
[01:34] <Nafallo> cprov: staging.u.c did not work, there was the old error ;-)
[01:35] <cprov> Nafallo: uhmm ... old error is ok, since we didn't fix it yet ;)
[01:36] <cprov> Nafallo: I'll try to sort out this lack of access to the keyserver
[01:37] <Nafallo> cprov: thanx. you will not get a bug about it then :-)
[01:38] <elmo> cprov: fixed
[01:38] <cprov> Nafallo: no, please post it, bug is my life ;)
[01:38] <cprov> elmo: great elmo !
[01:39] <Nafallo> cprov: hehe, shall I mark it fixed? :-)
[01:39] <Nafallo> elmo: nice and quick one :-). now that I have you hear. you ack mails to upload@ and keyring@, right?
[01:40] <cprov> Nafallo: yeah,  it should start filling your karma ;)
[01:40] <Nafallo> cprov: is there a use for karma? ;-)
[01:42] <cprov> Nafallo: every new year you can convert it in US$, 1 x 10 ... ehe joking ... 
[01:42] <Nafallo> hehehe
[01:43] <cprov> Nafallo: activity measuments, we can easily who is contributing, don't you wanna be recognized as the guy rocking in LP ?
[01:44] <Nafallo> cprov: naah. I'll just show the guys that I'm active in other areas aswell :-).
[01:46] <jblack> cprov: I'd love to know more about the activity measurements
[01:46] <cprov> Nafallo: sure, it still being possible ... what did you do ? ... apart of crash lp gpg component ;)
[01:47] <Nafallo> cprov: hehe. leader of translation team +MOTU :-)
[01:47] <Nafallo> cprov: alone in universe security I think :-P
[01:48] <cprov> jblack: salgado is the man, but what do you like to know ? we have sorted it last week (soyuz and malone events)
[01:49] <Nafallo> cprov: will rosetta be raising my karma at some point? :-)
[01:49] <cprov> Nafallo: .duhh, your karma promises ...
[01:49] <Nafallo> hehe :-)
[01:49] <cprov> Nafallo: sure it will, ASAP 
[01:50] <jblack> cprov: Anything you're interested in bragging about. 
[01:53] <cprov> jblack: now that you mentioned we blocked karma points for "imports" and other stuff done by canonical staff (salary sounds better than karma points :-P)  
[01:53] <jblack> why? 
[01:54] <jblack> aw man, that sucks! I'd have killer karma!
[01:56] <cprov> jblack: sure, you would  ... that's why we avoid it, it should require python patch to supoort such a big integer ;)
[01:56] <ddaa> cprov: you need to upgrade python, bigints were supported for a while ;)
[01:57] <Mez> cprov, I'll willingly trade in my karma for a salary
[01:57] <cprov> jblack: to be far, if a bug comment is 1 point, IMO, a import should be 1000 (pgsql developers would cry)
[01:58] <Nafallo> cprov: what's a bug fix?
[01:59] <ddaa> that's a widely debated questions and seemingly intellingent people have widely differing opinion on whether a particular patch is a bug fix
[01:59] <Nafallo> ddaa: marking a bug as fixed
[01:59] <cprov> Mez: who wouldn't want it ?  fun + salary 
[02:00] <Mez> :)
[02:00] <Mez> cprov, wanna give me a salary instead then?
[02:00] <ddaa> tell you a think
[02:00] <ddaa> if a salary means doing imports all the day for three months
[02:00] <cprov> Nafallo: yes, that is the pratic definition.
[02:00] <ddaa> you'd rather have karma points...
[02:01] <Nafallo> cprov: so. how many points is a marking a bug fixed then? :-)
[02:02] <Nafallo> s/a\ //
[02:02] <cprov> Nafallo: https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/MaloneKarma -> public spec AFAIKs
[02:02] <Nafallo> yay
[02:02] <cprov> Nafallo: briefly, fix = 10 points
[02:03] <ddaa> I'm confused...
[02:04] <ddaa> I have that CGI at my ISP
[02:04] <ddaa> I can run it manually "spyce.cgi ../spy/index.spy" from shell, and it works
[02:04] <Nafallo> cprov: hehe. nice. I got 10 points for doing nothing then :-)
[02:05] <ddaa> but when I run it through the server, I get a 500 and an error log "Premature end of script headers: spyce.cgi"
[02:05] <ddaa> anybody got an idea?
[02:05] <cprov> Nafallo: fix a bug could be easy, but don't forget we decrease your karma if someone reopened it ;)
[02:06] <Nafallo> cprov: well, I think seb128 forgot to close a bug I reported. I got 10 points for his work then :-)
[02:08] <cprov> Nafallo: don't think so, the assignee wins karma
[02:10] <Nafallo> ah, clever :-P
[02:10] <cprov> Nafallo: nice talk, see you tomorrow
[02:12] <cprov> jblack: take care, btw, bought some gifts for your kid, send me your address
[02:12] <jblack> Heh.
[02:13] <jblack> Sure, I can email you, though its on the offices page too
[02:15] <jblack>   sent
[02:16] <jblack> I also send you a belayed thank you for having me. 
[02:16] <jblack> I should have sent that as soon as I got back, but I think I forgot. You and Janes were both a pleasure to stay with
[02:52] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial]  minor UI fixes to tracker/trackersets (and rosetta translation lists); adds nickname to bug details portlet. Also unbreak CVE refs action portlet title (patch-2201: christian.reis@canonical.com)
[03:11] <ddaa> http://ddaa.net/blog
[03:11] <ddaa> got it, at last
[07:57] <sivang> Who's responsible for the .deb / apt integration that soyuz must probably have? Or am I mistaken completely and Lunachpad knows nothing about a specific packaging system, being said to store other distributions as well ?
[07:57] <bob2> it would only need metadata, surely?
[07:59] <sivang> I don't know, I'm ready to hear some elaboration :)
[08:00] <bob2> presumably the launchpad wiki has details
[08:02] <sivang> bob2: ok, the baz/arche/launchpad integration is probably also outlined there?
[08:03] <bob2> yes
[08:03] <sivang> bob2: k, thanks
[08:05] <sivang> bah, that wiki is a mess :)
[08:07] <sivang> https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/DatabaseSetup , can I now create my own launchpad or is it for internal use?
[08:08] <bob2> er
[08:08] <bob2> do you have the LP source?
[08:09] <sivang> no :)
[08:09] <bob2> then "no" ;)
[08:10] <sivang> I must improve my logic skills :)
[08:27] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/dists--bazaar--1.5: new build (patch-72)
[08:30] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/bazaar--devo--1.5: Deprecate (but not remove) "abrowse", rename "rbrowse" to "browse" (patch-58: Matthieu.Moy@imag.fr)
[08:54] <sivang> does anybody know when jamesh comes online?
[08:55] <sivang> (I need him for some launchpad desktop integration discussion)
[08:55] <bob2> probably better off emailing him
[08:55] <sivang> bob2: already did, I guess his on the road or something?
[08:55] <bob2> he might be in brazil
[08:56] <sivang> k, thx
[11:10] <jordi> morning
[11:10] <jordi> jamesh: sivang was looking for you
[11:11] <jamesh> jordi: I was flying
[11:11] <bob2> excuses, excuses!
[11:13] <jamesh> Rio -> Sao Paulo -> Buenos Aires -> Auckland -> Sydney -> Perth
[11:17] <jordi> jamesh: oh dude
[11:17] <jordi> sounds like fun
[03:12] <SteveA> jordi: ping
[03:20] <SteveA> jordi: ping ping
[03:33] <yaniv> Hello, I was wandering if someone could help me upload hebrew .po files I located, as I'm not an appointed translator
[03:34] <yaniv>  ,       ?
[03:37] <carlos> yaniv, I think we don't have an Hebrew translation team, would you want to create it?
[03:37] <morgs> yaniv: carlos and daf are the translation experts. They're in a lot of planning meetings at the moment but should be around later...
[03:37] <morgs> or now...
[03:37] <carlos> morgs, ;-)
[03:44] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial]  Change table to ul for listing bazaar branches (patch-2202: morgan.collett@canonical.com)
[03:49] <yaniv> thanks. I was taliking to sivang, and it seems he has requested to create a team.
[03:54] <carlos> hmm
[03:55] <carlos> sivang, is it created already?
[03:57] <sivang> carlos: ah cool
[03:57] <sivang> carlos: why didn't I get any notification from launchapd?
[03:57] <kiko> because launchpad doesn't love you
[03:57] <sivang> kiko: ah!! /me cries
[03:57] <sivang> kiko: please make launchapd love me :)
[03:57] <sivang> kiko: I love him back, just overwhalmed with the comlexity :)
[03:57] <lifeless> stub is mail on gangotri setup ?
[03:58] <stub> lifeless: No idea.
[03:59] <sivang> carlos: ah damn, I've even worse at memory then you :) I just sent an email to rosetta@ubuntu.com as you explained and got no reply, is the translation group ready or not?
[04:00] <nakee> carlos, there is a convention in 2 days and we want to annonce its opening
[04:00] <sivang> nakee: nothing to announce actually
[04:00] <nakee> sivang, ofcourse there is
[04:00] <nakee> we want people to use it
[04:00] <sivang> nakee: just one more translation group among many others :)
[04:00] <nakee> sivang, yea but for hebrew translation groups
[04:00] <sivang> nakee: ofcourse mails and posts at local commuinity sites will be made
[04:01] <nakee> sivang, AP4 is a perfect place to annonce it
[04:01] <carlos> sivang, I'm asking, because daf did some work on that but I'm not sure your team was created
[04:01] <nakee> and get some motivation into people to use it
[04:01] <carlos> if you didn't get the email, I suppose it's not 
[04:01] <sivang> carlos: right
[04:01] <carlos> will try to sort it today
[04:01] <sivang> kiko: 'sup ? :)
[04:01] <mpt> kiko's busy hacking
[04:01] <sivang> carlos: thanks 
[04:02] <nakee> sivang, some people stoped using rosetta becauseof that
[04:02] <carlos> sivang, https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/rosetta/groups/ubuntu-translators/ that's the current list of teams we have
[04:02] <sivang> carlos: k, no prob , anyways I should get an email when it is ready right?
[04:02] <carlos> nakee, jordi just join the team to care about things like that so we don't delay it so much
[04:02] <carlos> sivang, yeah, I will send you an email
[04:03] <sivang> mpt: I just hope "launchpad doesn't love you" is a joke :)
[04:03] <mpt> Launchpad keeps track of karma, but not love yet
[04:03] <mpt> love and zen are not yet implemented
[04:04] <nakee> carlos, yea it was too bad until I got people intrested it stop working for them all the sudden
[04:04] <niemeyer> Greetings!
[04:04] <bob2> mpt: you should spec that out
[04:04] <sivang> mpt: hehe, well, most of my activies (launchpad integration work, testing, brainstomring) aren't in launchpad yet, so I gues I have zero karma
[04:04] <kiko> I have some love in a box I can share
[04:04] <kiko> gustavo niemeyer, take a bow
[04:05] <kiko> how's it going?
[04:05] <sivang> kiko: when are you coming over here for your ph.d ? ;-)
[04:05] <niemeyer> kiko!
[04:05] <niemeyer> kiko: Everything's fine
[04:05] <niemeyer> kiko: Handling documentation and preparing for the move
[04:06] <SteveA> hi gustavo
[04:06] <niemeyer> Greetings Steve!
[04:07] <niemeyer> Have you all survived the weekend activities? :)
[04:08] <kiko> sivang, I will probably visit in february
[04:08] <kiko> niemeyer, we did, and survived RJ again last week
[04:08] <kiko> niemeyer, documentation is fun
[04:09] <niemeyer> kiko: RJ? Wow.. you're brave :)
[04:10] <kiko> niemeyer, 15 gringos and a bottle of rum
[04:10] <niemeyer> Ouch!
[04:14] <lifeless> elmo = http requiests are still hitting macquaries launchpad instance
[04:14] <lifeless> bwah, typing bad amI
[04:16] <elmo> lifeless: *shrug* all possible DNS names it'll answer to have been changed
[04:16] <elmo> AFAICS - i.e. {rosetta,launchpad}.ubuntu{.com,linux.org}
[04:18] <lifeless> launchpad.net http - does that land on gangotri ?
[04:18] <elmo> yes
[04:18] <elmo> launchpad.net has address 82.211.81.179
[04:18] <elmo> ^-- gangotri
[04:18] <lifeless> k.
[04:19] <lifeless> can we add a redirect to the http port on macquarie for those dns names to gangotri ?
[04:19] <lifeless> (the ubuntu.* names)
[04:19] <elmo> I don't see how it'll help
[04:19] <elmo> if someone has the old DNS, it'll just them into an infinite loop
[04:19] <lifeless> stub and I would like to turn off the lp instance on chinstrap.
[04:19] <lifeless> oh.
[04:19] <lifeless> ok, we'll keep it running for 24 hrs
[04:20] <SteveA> that would teach them
[04:20] <elmo> I could send them to www2.launchpad.net  or something, if you want
[04:20] <SteveA> darned old dns people
[04:20] <lifeless> nah, its not worth hoopss.
[04:21] <niemeyer> mpool: Ping!
[04:22] <mpool> niemeyer: high, welcome!
[04:22] <niemeyer> mpool: Hiho! :)
[04:22] <mpool> still no sign of ddaa?
[04:22] <niemeyer> ddaa?
[04:26] <Keybuk> niemeyer: heyhey
[04:26] <niemeyer> Keybuk!
[04:26] <mpool> niemeyer: ddaa = david allouche
[04:26] <niemeyer> Ah, ok :)
[04:27] <bob2> ddaa was around last night
[04:27] <bob2> trolling himself about french military conquests, no less
[04:50] <lifeless> elmo are you seeing denied requests from gangotri ? geoip isn't working ... suspect it needs outside access
[04:51] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [r=bradb, trivial]  Partial fix for bug 1094: Trying to comment without login should show the login page. We now at least show a special message when the user is not logged in; however, we don't handle cases where the end-user logs out 'out-of-band'. Also does cosmetic fixes to the add comment 'widget'. (patch-2203: christian.reis@canonical.com)
[04:52] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/dists--devel--0: [trivial]  production-1.27 config (patch-103: stuart.bishop@canonical.com)
[05:04] <kiko> salgado, ping? re bug 319.
[05:20] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial]  Bug 1639 - use launchpad.net URLs in RDF documentation (patch-2204: morgan.collett@canonical.com)
[05:27] <lifeless> jamesh: cprov has a fix for gpg to allow the use of subkeys in coc signing. I'd like to get that into production ;). Its in your review queue ... :)
[05:30] <jblack> elmo: ping
[05:42] <elmo> jblack: ?
[05:42] <jblack> elmo: Have you heard any problems with ssh timeouts? 
[05:43] <elmo> nope?
[05:43] <ddaa> Right, it's mildly annoying to be able to use the same ssh connection all week long
[05:43] <ddaa> sometimes it does not even last one day
[05:44] <ddaa> (I mean ssh to data center)
[05:44] <jblack> Ok. I'm getting timeouts on the supermirror servers... ~ 10 minute timeouts. 
[05:44] <elmo> eh, I've had ssh sessions to the data centre last months
[05:44] <elmo> literally
[05:44] <elmo> so it's not a generic problem
[05:44] <elmo> have you tried adjusting/using ServerAliveInterval in ~/.sssh/config?
[05:44] <jblack> Yeah. I used to too. Feel bad about seeing a tty where I was logged in for three days. 
[05:45] <ddaa> 300 here
[05:46] <jblack> I'll try a couple other places and see if I time out there as well. 
[05:46] <lifeless> ddaa - mpool will be asking about samba imports, can you make getting-that-testing a priority please, its for a possible bzr migration
[05:46] <ddaa> jblack: you should not feel bad about it, those servers could probably take a few thousands idle ttys before feeling any pain.
[05:46] <jblack> Samba? Nice! 
[05:47] <ddaa> "getting-that-testing"?
[05:47] <ddaa> "samba"?
[05:47] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial]  Bug 1279: linkify baz branches and use zero width space to allow line breaking (patch-2205: morgan.collett@canonical.com)
[05:47] <lifeless> a roomba run of it, and obvious problems addressed. would like to know whether its likely to work or not
[05:48] <morgs> ddaa: ^^ dilys "has" some "good" "news" for you...
[05:48] <ddaa> morgs: cool, I'll look at staging "soon"
[05:49] <jblack> we're having scaling problems on the supermirror, btw
[05:49] <ddaa> seriously, my main concern is just to avoid screwing the page layout with stupidly large lines
[05:50] <morgs> zero width spaces seemed to work... of course I have not tried alternative (proprietary) browsers... :)
[05:50] <jblack> pyarch/baz may be too heavy. 
[05:50] <ddaa> https://macquarie.warthogs.hbd.com/roomba/status/waterfall?criteria=samba
[05:50] <lifeless> morgs are you showing urls now ?
[05:50] <ddaa> not anything I can fix myself
[05:50] <lifeless> morgs: thats a key thing IMO.
[05:50] <morgs> lifeless: yes
[05:51] <ddaa> (at least without spending like a week figuring out svn things)
[05:51] <lifeless> mo	great
[05:51] <jblack> elmo: would you mind giving me another 40 gigs on vostok, btw? 
[05:51] <elmo> yes; it's a mainframe and/or disk-on-demand
[05:51] <elmo> err NOT a main...
[05:52] <SteveA> elmo: just plug in some fancy usb drive
[05:52] <ddaa> uncle elmo, can I have more candy^W hard disk, plizzz?
[05:53] <elmo> jblack: seriously, if you're planning to use more space, I'll order the disks, but it'll take a couple of days 
[05:53] <jblack> ddaa: Heh. Thats serious though. vostok's 65% used. Its generally better to ask a bit early than a bit late. 
[05:54] <jblack> elmo: Nah. Not worth teeth gnashing. 
[05:55] <jblack> This is a tla->baz migration, so certain things may start getting cached that weren't before, and once we can get archzoom doing libraries, that'll eat a lot of space. But I can avoid gluttonous stuff for your next "Oh, here's a big drive to toss in" 
[05:56] <jblack> So the 20 gigs left should be fine for a bit yet, possibly a month. 
[05:56] <jblack> with a bit longer if I'm careful about what acts how.
[05:57] <jblack> I'm not timing out on other machines, just on vostok and arktowski. I'll try the ServerAliveInterval option
[06:00] <lifeless> jblack: shoud not eat more space - it caches remote archives only,a nd archive mirror shouldnt result in cached copies. if it oes, its a bug,.
[06:01] <jblack> lifeless: Yeah. If mirroring were the only thing going on, sure.
[06:01] <lifeless> jblack - what do you do with remote archives that isn't mirroring ?
[06:01] <jblack> but, for example, I believe archzoom does things that may cause a revision to get used (and thusly cached). 
[06:02] <lifeless> baz wont cache local archives by default. if archive archzoom has /foo/bar paths to the archive it will be fine.
[06:03] <jblack> Ok. We should be fine then, at least until we turn on libraries for archzoom. 
[06:03] <lifeless> if archzoom has http:// urls then you should giver it nocache:http:// and then it wont needlessly cache those archives.
[06:03] <lifeless> exsqueeze my typing, hyper latency link
[06:03] <jblack> Its more a matter of what archzoom is doing. Its got a symlinked r/o archives list.
[06:04] <jblack> it probably goes through pyarch though. I haven't even dealt with archzoom to see what sort of love it needs yet. I'm just being careful with unknowns. knowing that the drive is already at 65% used, its usually a good habit to say "Just so you know... " 
[06:04] <jblack> elmo: did you down arktowski? 
[06:06] <lifeless> archzoom is perl, wont use pyarzch
[06:06] <jblack> durh. ;) 
[06:06] <jblack> So it'll end up caching the -SOURCE ones, if people browse them. 
[06:07] <jblack> Shouldn't be a problem to hide those though
[06:07] <lifeless> can we not give archzoom the -SOURCE registrations ?
[06:07] <lifeless> right, gcool.
[06:09] <elmo> jblack: no?
[06:10] <elmo> hmm, see what you mean tho
[06:15] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial]  Remove canonical._ (patch-2206: stuart.bishop@canonical.com)
[06:16] <elmo> jblack: it's coming back now
[06:17] <elmo> it lost one of it's drives, and the raid card clearly believes in death before degradation and took the machine down
[06:17] <jblack> That's not very raidish... 
[06:18] <elmo> yeah well, that's why the devel box is a Dell and the production one isn't
[06:18] <jblack> Reminds me of the good ole days. Once, I built a seven drive soft raid5.
[06:19] <jblack> Unfortunately, the drives were the infamouse 40 gig IBM suicide drives. Within a year I was down to 3 drives.
[06:19] <jblack> Never lost a byte on the filsystem though. degrade, backup, new raid.... on and on.
[07:03] <ddaa> Where is staging gone?
[07:08] <lifeless> stgin.launchpad.net perhaps ?
[07:28] <ddaa> ATM that gives an interesting apache index page...
[07:35] <jordi> SteveA: pong
[07:35] <jordi> carlos: I arrived
[07:35] <jordi> carlos: give me 10 minutes to land in the house, and I can get started
[07:39] <salgado> carlos, https://launchpad.net/errors/showEntry.html?id=1123003836.380.8149760579
[07:44] <salgado> carlos, did you remember to ask stub to create add the new KarmaActions in the production database?
[07:45] <salgado> s/add//
[07:47] <carlos> salgado, I did, but seems like he forgot it or I didn't rememered it enough...
[07:47] <carlos> jordi, ok
[07:47] <carlos> salgado, thanks for noting it
[07:48] <salgado> carlos, np
[08:00] <carlos> salgado, it should be fixed now
[08:42] <kiko> is jamesh in the house already?
[08:44] <jordi> oi kiko
[08:49] <kiko> heya jordi 
[08:51] <jordi> my first bug against DOAP
[08:51] <jordi> :)
[09:00] <carlos> morgs, say hello to jordi
[09:01] <carlos> jordi, say hello to morgs 
[09:01] <jordi> hola morgs :)
[09:01] <carlos> jordi, morgs is on charge of the products database on launchpad (The register)
[09:01] <jordi> damn. have I met morgan before in any conference?
[09:01] <jordi> I don't remember
[09:02] <carlos> jordi, hmm he was on Australia conference
[09:03] <jordi> ah, too bad
[09:05] <kiko> I'm lost in a maze of test failures, all alike
[09:05] <carlos> kiko, :-D
[09:21] <ddaa> lifeless: please get robert.collins@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0--patch-139 through review and merged in rocketfuel one day
[10:24] <ddaa> WTF!
[10:25] <ddaa> There's no longer a link to productseries from a product page!
[10:25] <ddaa> *sigh*
[10:26] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial]  Libraraian upstream tweaks, which demonstrate the the feature is broken (?) (patch-2207: stuart.bishop@canonical.com)
[10:29] <carlos> ddaa, It's inside a portlet now
[10:29] <carlos> https://launchpad.net/products/zope
[10:29] <ddaa> duh
[10:30] <ddaa> note how that's awkyard in a page like that one https://launchpad.net/products/perlsgml
[10:30] <ddaa> And how very confusing it is to have a big, in your face, productseries description in the center column _without_ a link
[10:31] <ddaa> I'll file a bug when I feel less angry about it
[10:31] <carlos> ddaa, the problem is that you are too used to the old way to have it
[10:31] <jordi> yeah, no links is bad
[10:31] <jordi> there's plenty of used space there to have a link somewhere in it
[10:31] <carlos> ddaa, I think it's less confusing using a portlet, it's more "launchpad way"
[10:31] <ddaa> carlos: the problem is that there is a BIG "Product Series" heading with description and branches in the center column, and no link there.
[10:31] <lifeless> 'launchpad way' ? wtf? 
[10:32] <lifeless> its either confusing, or not confusing.
[10:32] <carlos> lifeless, launchpad uses portlets for that kind of info
[10:32] <carlos> so it's "launchpad way" :-)
[10:32] <lifeless> not consistently
[10:32] <carlos> lifeless, so it should be done
[10:32] <ddaa> carlos: stop pulling off a tomlord and listen to what we are saying
[10:32] <lifeless> oww
[10:33] <lifeless> thats harsh
[10:34] <ddaa> sorry
[10:35] <ddaa> then, stop pulling a van der Hoeven
[10:35] <lifeless> carlos admits the error of his ways
[10:35] <ddaa> usually, yes
[10:36] <carlos> ddaa, ;-)
[10:37] <jordi> argh fucking losers, stop the fireworks
[10:37] <jordi> today they celebrate it's Tuesday
[10:38] <lifeless> is it. I think its wednesday
[10:38] <ddaa> thanks jordi, I needed a laugh :-D
[10:38] <mpt> Three cheers for Tuesdays
[10:38] <jordi> mpt: hey, I have a small update for the RosettaFAQ
[10:38] <spiv> jordi: I never realised how often there were fireworks on Sydney Harbour until I lived near it.  I've no idea what most of them were for.
[10:38] <jordi> I could use a review
[10:38] <jordi> spiv: "Tuesday", NO KIDDING
[10:55] <jordi> matt zimmerman!
[10:56] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [r=jamesh]  initial support for bug attachments. still some tweaks needed before the implementation fully matches the spec. (patch-2208: bjorn.tillenius@canonical.com)
[11:16] <salgado> carlos, I'm not sure if it was you who wrote POTemplateAddView, but it had a subtle bug (that showed up now because I fixed the person vocabs to return security proxied objects)
[11:18] <salgado> carlos, the code was assuming that the 'owner' widget would return the 'id' of the selected owner, but in fact that widget returns the owner
[11:19] <mdz> jordi: popper!
[11:24] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial]  Instead of checking if 'Last-Translator' is an editor, we should check the person who did the import. Added a test and updated the interface (patch-2209: carlos.perello@canonical.com)
[11:57] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: My librarian-cleanups branch, held up by baz confusion.  r=BjornT (patch-2210: andrew.bennetts@canonical.com)
[12:00] <carlos> salgado-brb, I wrote it, yes
[12:01] <carlos> salgado-brb, hmm, I don't remember why I did it that way so I cannot give you an explanation ...
[12:01] <carlos> salgado-brb, did you fixed it?
[12:04] <lifeless> ddaa - I'm going to be busy for the next 2.5 weeks at least, can you merge that launchpad branch into yours, and do the reviewers request ? 
[12:04] <lifeless> ddaa - I would really appreciate that.
[12:05] <ddaa> okay, I just hope it's reasonably not too insane
[12:05] <ddaa> lifeless: before going away, could you write that bit of documentation about inputs and outputs of the log parser and cache generator of cscvs?
[12:05] <mpt> jordi: There's a Rosetta FAQ?
[12:05] <lifeless> ddaa: ack. will 
[12:05] <carlos> mpt, yes wiki.ubuntu.com/Rosetta/RosettaFAQ
[12:06] <ddaa> I know that would be a lot of work, but it's _really_ needed for anybody but you to maintain that code.
[12:09] <lifeless> ddaa: real briefly the log parser gives you al the revisions the log contains, the cache generator combines that with the knowledge from the branch and teh local catalog to update the catalog.
[12:09] <ddaa> I understand that much already.
[12:10] <ddaa> lifeless: don't try to be brief, that's something that needs some real solid documentation, as it's all about evil dragon-infested dark corners.
[12:10] <lifeless> heh. I'll focus on the bit giving you grief.