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[12:33] g'day ajmitch [12:35] infinity, dont you get the conspiration ? gcc itself is a office environment now including java support, ooo2 is only the frontend ;) [12:36] oops, i just made smeg run into the gnome-vfs bug [12:36] wait until we start using gcc as desktop environment too :) === Tifa [~alucard@cpc2-cove3-5-0-cust220.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:36] infinity: no, that was a left over in java-gcj-compat, depending on java-gcj-compat-dev. will be fixed with a sync tomorrow [12:36] ogra: we can't have gcc taking the place of emacs [12:37] ajmitch, we dont need to, lets integrate them ;) [12:38] so you finally get mailreader support in gcc'through emacs [12:38] s/'// === Mez [~Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === macgyver2 [~eric@macgyver2.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez pets daniels :D he fixed X :D w00t === `anthony [~anthony@198.145.214.134] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tifa [~alucard@cpc2-cove3-5-0-cust220.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [~bddebian@pcp08717033pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:47] doko : \o/ === Mez [~Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [~Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez smooches daniels a bit === Mez dances for his working breezy [12:53] Mez: xfonts-utils? [12:53] Heh [12:53] Amaranth, huh ? [12:53] the package that fixed everything [12:53] xfonts-base :D [12:53] lol [12:53] well [12:53] actually i'm not too usre [12:53] I er... [12:54] uninstalled ubuntu-desktop and all dependencies [12:54] and installed kubuntu-desktop :D [12:54] Sacriledge [12:55] nah it aint [12:55] kubuntu rules the earth [12:55] :-) === OddAbe19 [~OddAbe19@pcp02542642pcs.lncstr01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [~Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ealden [~ealden@219.90.93.171] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian grabs hold of Mez to keep him connected... ;-) === hub_ [~hub@MTL-HSE-ppp167515.qc.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:07] bddebian, I'm restarting X [01:09] can anyone confirm a weird breezy evolution behaviour? [01:11] tab cycles through widgets, shift-tab doesn't. (note that keyboard's working fine and shift-tab is working in firefox) === Mez [~Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:15] hmm [01:15] now I have breezy working [01:15] maybe i should try sid === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:Mez] : Ubuntu Development | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources | If you have unexpectedly lost editbugs privileges, talk to mdz/ogra/kiko | Colony CD 2 released | X is a lot less broken - it works! [01:17] for you === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:Mez] : Ubuntu Development | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources | If you have unexpectedly lost editbugs privileges, talk to mdz/ogra/kiko | Colony CD 2 released | X is a lot less broken - it works (well - kubuntu does - for mez)! [01:18] doesnt it work for you? [01:19] and me as of last night, upgrade from hoary, need to install libfontenc 1st. X working for me though. [01:20] mako: ping [01:20] yeah, upgrades from hoary should work fine [01:21] it works for me, but i upgraded from hoary and cheated with mkfontdir from hoary [01:21] upgrading from colony 2 is supposedly broken [01:22] wfm, without more cheats than some local rebuilds (adding b-deps) :-) [01:23] Amaranth, I was originally colony 2 [01:23] but i did a server install [01:23] I didnt do anything cept remove ubuntu-desktop (and all deps) [01:24] and install kubuntu-desktop [01:24] ah [01:24] that's why then [01:24] ... ? [01:24] It still depends on xserver-xorg [01:24] upgrading from the X in colony 2 is broken [01:24] which works now [01:24] sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorf [01:24] sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg * [01:24] Mez: uh [01:24] removing everything and reinstalling, yeah [01:25] Mez: does this ruby thing have *anything* to do with security? [01:25] Mez: or did i totally miss something [01:25] o_O [01:25] didnt they say it was shipping witha buggy beta version? [01:25] yes [01:25] buggy as in has bugs [01:25] not buggy as in exploitable [01:25] hoary-updates material, not hoary-security [01:25] and beta as in not secure [01:25] but i agree something should be done about it [01:26] ;) [01:26] well [01:26] if you read the bug, i am going to push him back in the hoary-backports direction now [01:26] appearently a couple of large bugs were fixed that break things like rails [01:26] the diff is too large [01:26] ah === Mez apologises and er... [01:26] emails pitti again [01:28] Mez: do you have a hoary pbuilder handy? [01:28] tseng: er..... [01:28] not in breezy [01:29] i didnt say breezy [01:29] I didnt either [01:29] I said not in breezy [01:29] so.. the question was [01:29] do you have a hoary pbuilder handy [01:29] if i reboot into hoary, yes [01:29] or I could chroot ... [01:29] I see. [01:30] Mez: I got a warty, hoary and a breezy pbuilder on my breezy installation :-). [01:30] Nafallo: wanna help me? [01:30] tseng: now I have [01:30] ok, anyone, please build rails from breezy in hoary pbuilder [01:30] tseng: sure, why not :-). [01:30] and we can resolve this in at least some fashion [01:30] tseng: for backports? [01:30] yep [01:31] the diff is 204k, its not -updates material [01:32] oh [01:32] ffs [01:32] brh [01:32] buh? [01:33] tseng: what do you want help with? :-) [01:33] Nafallo: i dont have a hoary pbuilder [01:33] it will take 30 seconds for someone who already does [01:34] where are the sources? :-) [01:34] http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/source/ruby1.8 [01:35] dear gimp, you are not the best program to view images, kthxbye === Mez [~Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:35] Keybuk: good thing gthumb finally has a maintainer [01:35] actually, I somewhat thing eog is just right [01:35] Keybuk: it could potentially not suck someday [01:35] or am i thinking of eog === tseng shrugs [01:36] Keybuk: tried f-spot? :P [01:36] tseng: f-spot rocks, but not for once-off viewing I think [01:36] once off, no [01:37] hi AndyFitz :) [01:37] f-spot sucked [01:37] it imported my album, and then ignored the carefully categorised directories everything was in and expected me to do it all again [01:37] ergo I don't use f-sport [01:37] s/r// [01:37] Keybuk: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12613 [01:37] Keybuk: you agree this patch is too large for hoary-updates, right? [01:38] tseng: building [01:38] Keybuk: before i fully steer this nice people to backports. [01:38] g'day tseng. [01:39] heh, probably [01:39] at that point we could backport a current rails also [01:39] tseng: rdoc 1.8.1 > 1.8.2 change... [01:39] that ok? [01:39] Mez: hm? [01:39] rails depends on 1. [01:39] 1.8.2 [01:39] I discovered that f-spot hidden mode is useful. and not just for pr0n. you can finally show family and friend photos to your new girlfriend while *skipping past * any photos of ex girlfriends ;-) [01:39] 1.8.1 = in hoary [01:39] Mez: thats the entire point. [01:39] Mez: of this discussion [01:40] ... / [01:40] RFB :) [01:40] RFB? [01:40] RTFB [01:40] AndyFitz, wha? [01:40] B ? [01:40] bug. [01:40] ah [01:40] link === marcin [~user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:40] < tseng> Keybuk: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12613 [01:41] if you missed it the last 2 times [01:41] Mez, nm [01:41] AndyFitz: oh dude. i got an apple cinema display [01:41] AndyFitz: pure love. [01:42] tseng, pure jealosy [01:42] tseng: then shouldnt I try a ruby bp instead of a rails bp [01:42] Mez: did i not say ruby? [01:42] did you know a cinema display ups your mojo [01:42] you said rails [01:42] tseng: not got a firefox nearby [01:42] hm i did [01:42] trying to drive a dvd and not doing too well === Mez makes a build of ruby instead [01:43] Mez: sorry, backport ruby, rails is just the end goal [01:43] hmm [01:43] i thin Nafallo is building the right thing anyway [01:43] tseng: ruby = debian native [01:43] that ok [01:43] I have to fix my mirror weirdness before being able to update stuff :-P === Lovechild [~dnielsen@0x50c71cc7.adsl-fixed.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:43] yeah I know === Lovechild [~dnielsen@Lovechild.love-sources] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] [01:44] tseng: life will be so much easier when i get my pbuilds on dev.kubuntu.org.uk working [01:44] aha! I've found REWIND! :p [01:45] tseng, seems to build ok [01:45] Mez: rock on. [01:45] \o/ [01:45] Mez: any chance we can kick off a backport of ruby1.8 then rails? [01:45] tseng [01:45] actually [01:45] one sec === Mez checks if he was logging into a breezy or haory chroot [01:46] nope, it built fine on hoary [01:46] k. [01:46] elmo: ping === Mez wonders why his sound isnt working in hoary [01:47] hmm [01:47] it is working [01:47] just not outputting to soundcars === AndyFitz [~andy@CPE-203-51-237-217.qld.bigpond.net.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:47] works if I switch to headset [01:48] WHAT KIND OF STUPID FUCKED UP USELESS PIECE OF CRAP SOFTWARE PUTS THE ONLY DOCUMENTATION FOR THE KEYS YOU _HAVE_ TO PRESS IN THE MANPAGE FOR THE CUNTING CONFIGURATION FILE("!("*$(*!("$* === Mez huggles keybuk [01:48] Keybuk: come again? [01:49] possessed by the spirit of mjg59 [01:50] ogle, no ui, just keys you press for which the documentation is in the proverbial toilet with the "beware of the leopard" sign on it [01:50] wtf [01:50] is going on === Mez [~Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:53] thats weird. [01:53] sounds works in breezy but not hoary [01:53] it used to work fine in hoary [01:58] tseng: whats your email address again? [01:58] brandon@smarterits.com [02:02] tseng@gentoo.org? [02:02] thats a black hole [02:02] lmao [02:02] why is it on your PGP key then [02:02] dont send mail there if you want me to read it :) [02:02] because i didnt take it off, I guess [02:03] lol === sebest [~chatzilla@sebest.ovibes.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:04] what did you do to get that? [02:04] Mez: http://www.gentoo.org/news/en/gwn/20040119-newsletter.xml [02:04] Gentoo/Hardened, *box window-managers [02:05] barely touched it in probably a year now [02:05] tseng: I'm sure you could have chosen a bettter picture [02:05] but thats my dirty past. [02:05] Mez: eh [02:05] i hate pictures [02:05] hard core metal music? [02:05] rock on :D === tseng spins Converge === Mez shrugs and has no idea who that is [02:06] probably for the best. [02:06] but :D nice to know someone has good taste in music :d [02:06] lol === marcin [~user@213.173.212.166] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez isnt really "hard core" metal, but i like like a lil deathcore etc now and then [02:07] gah [02:07] i need to keep looking up the Markdown syntax for links === dr88dr88 [~gerrit@h174040.upc-h.chello.nl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Mez shudders and kicks FF [02:07] hehe === Mez thinks this comic is sooo right [02:07] http://www.little-gamers.com/ === Nafallo seconds breezy ruby working on hoary [02:08] lol === Mez goes and sets up buildds on dev.kubuntu.org.uk [02:08] hmm [02:09] I should have fixed my sources.lists ages ago ;-) [02:09] Mez: that sounds a bit scary [02:09] Riddell, well, pbuilds :d [02:09] but, I always refer to them as buildds [02:09] ah, fine === marcin [~user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez shrugs [02:09] they do the same job [02:09] buildd's use sbuild or something I think [02:10] yeah they do [02:10] but pbuilds do the same job [02:10] cept, you run the commands manually [02:13] when a packages in some of its maintainer-scripts changes a configuration-file of an other package which is created in postinst, the first package has to pre-depend on the second one, right? [02:13] anyone else upgrade recently and have lots of gtk stuff crashing all the time again [02:14] hmm, bad sentence structur :/ [02:14] Lathiat: indeed === Mez doesnt [02:14] my kubuntu works shinehly [02:15] Mez: bleeh :-P [02:15] though my hoarys broke now :d [02:15] Nafallo: hrm [02:15] Nafallo: will a restart help? [02:15] carstenh : No. [02:15] Lathiat: naah, I had this for days :-/ [02:15] Nafallo: oh, that one was fixed before with libcairo1 [02:15] Lathiat: or atleast for the weekend [02:15] but i just upgraded now and its happening again [02:15] oh well [02:15] i'll restart mny session [02:15] carstenh : Unless you have a dependency loop (don't do that, then), packages are configured in order of depends. [02:15] see what happens [02:16] carstenh : So, your postinst will run after the other package's postinst, meaning it will have the right file available to edit. No need to pre-depends, unless you need it in your preinst (eww) [02:16] Lathiat: I have a cronjob fetching Packages @ :05 and :35 every our. I'm up-to-date :-). stuff is still crashing. [02:16] infinity: i did not know that, thanks a lot :) [02:16] Nafallo: haha === Mez wonders why all the fonts are bigger in breezy [02:16] s/our/hour/ :-) [02:17] carstenh : It's in debian policy, section 7.2, I recommend reading it (and many other sections, for that matter) [02:17] i hope this gtk icon size thing gets fixed soon [02:17] its really started to drive me bonkers [02:17] hehe [02:20] ahr, pants off === sabdfl [~mark@sabdfl.silver.supporter.pdpc] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [02:20] infinity: you are right, i'd better read the whole policy from the first section to the last and not only the points that seem intresting to me ;) [02:21] jdub: yarrrr === Tifa [~alucard@cpc2-cove3-5-0-cust220.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:21] carstenh : Not necessarily necessary to read it all, you'll forget it anyway, but I'd recommend skimming it, and knowing basically what content it has, so you can refer back to it when you have questions like this, rather than asking around. [02:23] infinity: i read that part a very long time ago and thought i would be right with my pre-depends :/ thanks a lot for your help === Mez [~Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:24] carstenh : THere's a reason why policy recommends mailing debian-devel before implementing a pre-depends in a package, it's because 99% of the time, a pre-depends isn't necessary, and someone will smack you down and tell you so. :) [02:24] :) [02:26] why are all the fonts bigger in breezy? [02:26] iz gtk bug. [02:26] (iz also known bug, being worked out, apparently) [02:26] ah ... fair enough === uniq [charlie@3ffe:80ee:31fe:0:0:0:0:33] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:29] Mez: thanks dude. [02:29] tseng: what for? [02:29] for kicking the backport [02:31] tseng: Itll take a few years till It's in there [02:31] years? 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[04:31] or whatever they call amd64s [04:33] # linux-image-2.6.12-6-amd64-k8-smp_2.6.12-6.6_amd64.deb [04:33] # linux-image-2.6.12-6-amd64-k8_2.6.12-6.6_amd64.deb [04:33] not running in 64 bit mode. [04:33] ie amd64 platform. [04:33] wasabi : Or are you looking for k8 images on an i386 system? [04:33] Just curious. [04:34] Yeah, i386 system. [04:34] Ahh, in that case, the answer is "cause there isn't". [04:34] I guess I will be until I know multiarch is done proper. ;) [04:34] Anyone who wants a high performance k8 system will be running amd64 binaries, not i386. [04:35] How is the parallel installation of libs? [04:35] "Not there yet". [04:35] So, your previous statement was wrong. [04:36] But coming along. [04:36] What was wrong about it? [04:36] Anyone who wants a high performance system will only run amd64 binaries if they use no software that doesn't use a big ass 32bit stack. [04:37] Oh, for commercial binaries, the ia32-libs package on amd64 should be enough to get them all going. [04:37] What about commercial binaries that use gtk? [04:37] are there commercial apps which link dynamically with gtk? [04:38] My company has a number of in house ones. [04:38] I mena. [04:38] I could build a big ass gtk 32 bit stack. [04:38] really? that were bought from another company? [04:38] But that's a pain in the ass. [04:38] Yeah. Out sourced. [04:38] Looks like we ship GTK in ia32-libs, yes. [04:38] Oh wow. [04:38] we do have ia32-libs-gtk === mdz [~mdz@ca-studio-bsr1o-251.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === mdz [~mdz@ca-studio-bsr1o-251.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:39] but I really wouldn't expect anything but oo.o to use it [04:39] Right, ia32-libs-gtk is GTK 2.0, ia32-libs appears to have GTK 1.2 in it. [04:39] So, both bases covered. [04:40] But, yeah, I assumed anyone using GTK statically linked to it. [04:40] That's generally the case with QT. [04:40] Live and learn, I guess. [04:40] Well, it is nice to know that people actually use GTK I'm sure. [04:40] And expect it to have some sort of stability. ;) [04:41] Stability isn't the issue, when dynamically linking closed binaries to it, you're epxecting standardisation on specific versions. I didn't think the LSB specified GTK ABI... [04:41] Why would a company follow the LSB? [04:42] Because that's the sane way to make sure things might work on more than one system? [04:42] Pssh. [04:42] (Or, just statically link everything but libc, which is what most people seem to do) [04:42] Company's will pick whatever API is available and use it to the best of their ability. [04:42] Lesson #1 in commercial software. [04:42] Don't give a company an API you don't want them to use. [04:42] They can use whatever API they want, it's the ABI I'm arguing about. [04:43] It's not rocket science to statically link a bunch of junk into your binary before you ship it. [04:43] Sure, it bloats your installer a bit, but it "just works", and customers like things that work. [04:43] Customers are weird that way. [04:43] Eh. Sure. You just overestimate the planning capability of out sourced developers. [04:44] Think of it like the Windows realm. [04:44] I'd prefer not to. :) [04:44] You pay somebody, they go type a bunch and get it done as fast as possible, they don't focus on what is best for long term maintainability. [04:44] They just get it done and deliver a product. [04:44] I can wrangle up the source for this, I just prefer not to. [04:44] I can't count the number of times Windows programmers decided that downgrading half the DLLs on my system was a good idea, until Microsoft finally built in version overwrite checks to prevent that very problem. [04:45] DLL hell? ;-) [04:46] wasabi: depends [04:46] a lot of that is lowest bidder syndrome [04:46] where you get what you paid for [04:47] wasabi : But yeah, I understand, hunting down source and fixing the root issue sucks when you have an installer that already may work. So, give it a spin with amd64+ia32-libs{,-gtk} and see if it loves you. [04:53] ook, latest openoffice2 packages break the menu icons [04:54] I also worry about stuff like Gnome itself. [04:54] People totally want to write software using gnome! [04:54] icon names changed to openofficeorg-19-writer and etc, menu files are still using ooo-writer [04:55] wasabi: I'm totally writing software using GNOME. :) === Amaranth [~travis@ip68-96-129-148.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jp [~jp@216-155-91-170.bk2-dsl.surnet.cl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman_ is now known as GmanAFK === jdub [~jdub@home.waugh.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jljes [~agp@AMontpellier-152-1-67-216.w83-201.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mrd` [~matthew@c-24-1-63-132.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:22] Does Breezy's kernel still have the initrd-dsdt patch? === GmanAFK is now known as Gman_ [06:50] mrd`: afaik, yes. [06:50] crimsun: dmesg doesn't show the 'looking for dsdt patch' message anymore [06:51] ... nevermind... I'm stupid. === mrd` sighs at his inability to make case-insensitive searches. >_> [06:51] heh. [06:51] was just about to mention that =) [06:51] :-) === pitti [~pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:52] morning, pitti [06:52] Good morning [06:52] Hi crimsun [06:53] I wonder what I should do about vlc (universe), since if it's built with ffmpeg support, it needs postproc support, but breezy's libpostproc-dev is in multiverse. [06:53] ok, some ubuntu people use grouphug: http://grouphug.us/confessions/446335517 [06:57] lol === Lathiat laughs [06:58] crimsun: the vlc ffmpeg can't be seperated? [06:59] HrdwrBoB: it is. The version in Hoary included ffmpeg, so it wasn't an issue. [06:59] HrdwrBoB: unfortunately, Debian removed that included ffmpeg in the next package revision. [07:01] ah [07:06] crimsun: i'm guessing vlc gets to migrate to multiverse [07:06] crimsun: i find it hard to believe it isn't there now [07:06] crimsun: vlc without ffmpeg is worthless [07:06] migrating it to multiverse is probably the most efficient solution. [07:07] the ideal solution would be to migrate libpostproc* to universe, but I don't foresee that [07:12] Treenaks: http://grouphug.us/confessions/733850316 ... [07:14] I think for now I'll just disable the postproc code [07:16] what use is vlc without it? [07:16] will it work for most peoples purposes? [07:17] well if I disable postproc, ffmpeg will just be missing postproc, but vlc will still be able to use ffmpeg [07:18] unless you do major tweaking to your pictures, you won't notice any difference === Amaranth does major tweaking [07:22] i make mencoder cry === lexhider [~lexhider@220.235.212.17] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob^ [~rob@rob-ubuntu.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:40] Morning [07:44] Hi sivang === marilize [~marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JaneW [~JaneW@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:55] morning JaneW [07:56] hi crimsun [07:57] Hi pitti [07:57] pitti: file-roller launchpadized is finally in ;) [07:57] pitti: need to continue at full thrust to completion === pvanhoof [~pvanhoof@cvs.maia-scientific.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-67-180-162-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlospc [~carlospc@36.Red-217-125-73.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:09] mjg59: next upload will have it fine, as the gcc fix is already in [08:10] mdz: setxkbmap -print | xkbcomp - :0 [08:10] mdz: you probably need sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/xkeyboard-config_0.5-3_all.deb === jiyuu0 [~jiyuu0@60.48.136.189] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bmonnens [~bmonnens@d5152D086.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:16] I've seen a lot of launchpadized stuff in breezy-changes, what's it mean though? === highvoltage [~Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:17] lexhider, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/LaunchpadIntegration [08:21] Burgundavia, thanks [08:22] lexhider, np === highvolt1ge [~Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === azeem [~mbanck@proxy-out.lrz-muenchen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Coli1 [~me@220-245-93-200-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Coli1 [~me@220-245-93-200-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [08:34] lexhider: we are going to enable users to access launchpad action applicable per each desktop seed app from the apps own help menu [08:35] lexhider: if you are using breezy, you can check out file-roller , and evince to reach the placeholder page already === niran [~niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chmj [~chmj@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:20] mvo: ping === _mvo_ [~egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [~herzi@c200230.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:46] elmo: can you please sync baobab from unstable (universe package, I ask for dholbach he has network trouble) [09:48] mvo: please can you reupload aptitude? synced libsigc++-1.2 soname [09:49] doko: ok === davyd_ [~davyd@madeld01.student.dialup.uwa.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:50] is Thom May around? [09:50] I would really love to know how to unbreak my NetworkManager [09:51] davyd_: wait for an update, I guess [09:51] it is complaining it is missing the binary 'no' [09:51] this does not appear to be dragged in by a dependancy === Amaranth falls over [09:51] and in fact, is proving rather elusive to track down [09:51] davyd_, I don't think that Thom is doing NM anymore [09:51] i don't think thom works on network manager anymore [09:52] is anyone working on NetworkManager, or has it been abandoned? [09:52] someone else is [09:52] so what does Thom do these days? he doesn't seem to do FF either [09:52]