[04:13] <Madpilot> anyone around?
[04:14] <robitaille> yes
[04:14] <HrdwrBoB> kinda
[04:17] <Madpilot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowComeDraft  <-- rob^ & I have been working on this - I think it's ready to go out in place of the existing HowCome
[04:17] <Madpilot> thoughts?
[04:17] <Madpilot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowCome  <-- the original, in all it's messy glory
[04:18] <HrdwrBoB> t a way to link to something aside from the actual ISOs - discovering that a 500Mb+ file is coming down might be a bit of a shock to some people, but the main Download page is too vague right now - Madpilot
[04:19] <HrdwrBoB> ^ maybe there needs to be a LiveCDHowto wiki
[04:19] <robitaille> there is still a "TODO" section (How did Ubuntu start), so maybe it's not ready just yet :)
[04:20] <Madpilot> meh, forgot the TODO - is there a 'history of Mark, Canonical & Ubuntu' somewhere we can crib from?
[04:20] <Madpilot> LiveCDHowTo - there's already a burning ISO page whch is linked to from HowComeDraft
[04:22] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[04:22] <robitaille> Madpilot:  wikipedia for historical background?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Linux 
[04:23] <Madpilot> robitaille: excellent - and with wikipedia's license, we can even use that stuff directly (not all of it tho)
[08:01] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, see the GettingUbuntu page
[08:01] <Burgundavia> link to that
[08:02] <Madpilot> slow channel, isn't it?
[08:03] <Burgundavia> yes
[08:03] <Burgundavia> just got home from gaming
[08:03] <Burgundavia> my char died
[08:06] <Madpilot> in a good & dramatic way, or did he/she fall in front of a wagon?
[08:07] <Burgundavia> a good and dramatic way
[08:07] <Madpilot> well, good.
[08:08] <Madpilot> like one char of mine who was beaten to death with his own left arm, which had been ripped off by a large monster?
[09:31] <rob^> bbbr
[09:31] <rob^> its so cold today
[09:33] <Burgundavia> how cold is cold?
[09:34] <rob^> 22C
[09:35] <Madpilot> that's cold? man, where do you live?
[09:35] <rob^> North Queenslad
[09:35] <rob^> *land
[09:35] <robitaille> 22C == perfect temperature for me. (I don't like cold nor warm weather)
[09:36] <rob^> its been raining today too
[09:36] <Madpilot> 22 is OK. it was up to about 26 today, that was nice 
[09:36] <rob^> 26 is nice
[09:37] <Madpilot> but now it's down to about 16 - and I still have the back door wide open - nice cool night
[09:41] <Madpilot> heh. Oz has all the toxic critters ever invented, but the locals are scared of a bit of cool temps?
[09:41] <rob^> you are if your a north queenslander
[09:41] <rob^> 16 is unheard of
[09:46] <rob^> does ie5.x and moin not agree or something? I've been playing with moin and it looks good with all graphics in FF 1.0.6 but at work there are no images..
[09:46] <Burgundavia> wouldn't be surprised
[09:46] <Burgundavia> ie is not the target audience for moin
[09:47] <rob^> no
[09:47] <rob^> but the ubuntu wiki works fine however
[09:48] <Madpilot> good to know.
[09:48] <Madpilot> I'd like to have an "IE emulator" to test pages in - it's crap, but it's widespread crap and your website better work in it...
[09:48] <Burgundavia> would be nice
[09:49] <Burgundavia> the wine people are the ones to go for that
[09:49] <rob^> umm wine
[09:49] <rob^> it works
[09:49] <Madpilot> does IE6 work in WINE? had heard that it didn't
[09:49] <rob^> yep
[09:49] <robitaille> I thought you could run IE in wine.
[09:49] <rob^> i have
[09:49] <rob^> eTax too
[09:50] <rob^> 6.0.2800.1106
[09:50] <Madpilot> OK, cool. might have to get wine working & *cough*borrow*cough*  a copy of IE...
[09:50] <rob^> ie that is
[09:50] <rob^> nah, you can download it
[09:50] <Burgundavia> you can get wine off of the ms website
[09:51] <Burgundavia> s/wine/ie
[09:51] <rob^> hehe
[09:51] <Madpilot> yeah, I'd forgotten that. will have to add wine to my list of projects...
[09:51] <rob^> yep, sure as pie, moin doesn't work in IE6 but works fine in FF 1.0.6
[09:53] <rob^> thats odd.. one attachment pic works
[09:53] <rob^> but the outputted source from ie doesn't include any image links..
[09:53] <rob^> :(
[09:54] <Madpilot> isn't IE6 fun? it can't even support the very basic CSS1 entirely
[10:08] <froud> mdke: are there any kubuntu apps being localized in Rosetta?
[10:32] <mdke> froud, everything should be there
[10:47] <rob^> Madpilot, yep
[10:47] <froud> mdke: but are they doing Kubuntu there?
[10:47] <froud> I dont see anything Kubuntu
[10:47] <froud> but then I am not familiar with Rosetta
[10:47] <mdke> better ask
[10:47] <mdke> i don't see it either
[10:47] <mdke> anything with po files in the source packages in the Ubuntu archive get's uploaded into rosetta
[10:47] <froud> Hmm and no body on kubuntu-devel seems to now
[10:47] <froud> s/now/know
[10:47] <mdke> actually I see it
[10:47] <mdke> its there
[10:47] <froud> it is ?
[10:47] <mdke> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/kaffeine/+pots/kaffeine/
[10:47] <froud> OK so then the pots will make it in
[10:47] <mdke> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/kompose/+pots/kompose/
[10:47] <mdke> anything in main which has the correct structure with pots in makes it into rosetta
[10:47] <mdke> anything else, we can add by hand
[10:47] <froud> k
[12:16] <jsgotangco> hey all
[12:16] <Madpilot> hi
[12:17] <mdke> yo
[12:17] <Madpilot> hey, there are ppl here.
[12:17] <jsgotangco> mdke: hey long time no chat
[12:17] <jsgotangco> Madpilot: heh...it just happened that my internet access is going bonkers lately
[12:19] <Madpilot> wow - fun attack on the main #ubuntu channel. f*cking idiots...
[02:04] <froud> mdke: @#kubuntu-devel [11:17]  <Riddell> froud: not yet, hopefully it'll happen before breezy
[02:40] <mdke> froud, its happening already for many packages, as I showed you
[02:41] <froud> yep yep
[02:41] <froud> just want to say that Riddell is on it :-)
[03:01] <mpt> It's not for the reason that's in the help :-x
[04:17] <mgalvin> hi all
[05:30] <mpt> hi mgalvin
[07:56] <mdke> anyone figure out why there are weird characters on the docteam server hosted docs? or is it just me... http://65.19.178.132/gnome/faqi386/C/
[07:58] <venda> its not just you
[07:59] <venda> but the problem does not exist at lnix.net/~froud
[07:59] <mdke> no
[07:59] <mdke> nor at any other server I've checked
[07:59] <venda> so I suspect a CSS bug again
[07:59] <mdke> don't think so... the gnome docs are ok on tseng's server and rob^'s server
[07:59] <mdke> it must be something wrong with the locale or something
[08:00] <venda> r they using the same css
[08:01] <mdke> yes
[08:01] <venda> so what's different
[08:01] <mdke> the server
[08:01] <venda> nah it cant be apache
[08:01] <mdke> y not?
[08:02] <venda> apache does nothing to the files
[08:02] <venda> just serves them
[08:02] <venda> no?
[08:03] <mdke> maybe its using the wrong locale or something
[08:05] <jjesse> where are you gettign wierd characters?
[08:05] <jjesse> i'm not seeing any
[08:05] <mdke> on that link, e.g. after the Copyright where the c should be
[08:05] <mdke> all over the place
[08:06] <mdke> at the top and bottom of the page too
[08:07] <mdke> jjesse, you don't get em?
[08:09] <mgalvin> eww, i see them too
[08:09] <mdke> mgalvin, any ideas what might be causing that?
[08:10] <mgalvin> hmm, they are in the source too it seems (view source in ff) did someone open this in some stanger editor that modified the file format?
[08:11] <mdke> mgalvin, no, it only happens on that server
[08:12] <mgalvin> can you view the file itself on the server in like vi or something, does it look ok?
[08:12] <mdke> the html file?
[08:12] <mdke> i'll try that...
[08:12] <mgalvin> yea
[08:12] <mdke> i'm waiting for it to reboot
[08:12] <mgalvin> k
[08:12] <mdke> jeez it had better not change ip
[08:13] <mgalvin> hehehe
[08:13] <froud> :-)
[08:13] <mdke> that would be crazy tho
[08:14] <mdke> grrr
[08:14] <mdke> where has it gone
[08:17] <mgalvin> when i open the html in gedit it looks fine, opening it in vi shows those odd chars
[08:17] <mgalvin> if that helps at all
[08:17] <mgalvin> it seems the file itself my be corrupt
[08:17] <mgalvin> slightly
[08:18] <mgalvin> or the build created the html weird, possibly
[08:18] <mdke> that's more likely imho
[08:18] <mdke> anyhow, the server has disappeared now
[08:18] <mdke> :/
[08:18] <mgalvin> lol
[08:19] <venda> :-)
[08:27] <mdke> bbl, will chase the damn server up
[11:23] <judax> Hi all, back from Holiday, finally
[11:23] <mdke> wb :)
[11:23] <judax> thx
[11:23] <mdke> good luck catching up on the ML
[11:23] <judax> no kidding, almost 200 mails
[11:23] <Burgundavia> heh
[11:35] <highvolt1ge> hmmm... how does that happen.