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majichere is a rather dumb question, how can I download a source package from breezy to my hoary box? Do I need to add line to my /etc/apt/sources.list?02:17
Lathiatmajic: you could add a breezy deb-src line02:18
Nafallomajic: yes. breezys deb-src.02:18
Lathiatand perhaps pin everythign to hoary and use apt-get -t breezy source <package>02:18
Nafallohmm02:18
majicis there an easier way to do it? Like just going to a ftp site? I just need one source package02:18
NafalloLathiat: thanx ;-)02:18
Lathiatmajic: sure you could fetch it off an ftp site02:18
Lathiatand then dpkg-source -x02:18
Lathiatprobably easier just to add a breezy deb-src02:19
Lathiatapt-get sourc eit02:19
Lathiatand take the line back out again02:19
Lathiat:)02:19
=== majic googles to find the ftp site for breezy source packages...
Nafallomajic: http://archive.ubuntu.com02:19
Nafallomajic: saves your googling02:19
majichmm, I've been all through archive.ubuntu.com and cannot find actual source packages02:20
crimsunmajic: they're in the same location as the others02:21
majicwhere are the actual source packages stored?02:21
Nafallomajic: http://archive.ubuntu.com/pool/main/g/gaim for example02:21
Nafallomajic: .dsc .diff.gz .orig.tar.gz02:21
majicno wonder, I was not looking in pool... duh!02:21
majicsilly me02:21
NafalloLathiat: thanx for -t, will save me apt-cache madison's ;-)02:22
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LathiatNafallo: :)02:25
majicNafallo, I appreciate that info02:25
Nafallomajic: no problem :-)02:27
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majichere is a hypothetical question. Say for instance the Breezy Ruby 1.8.2 package works in Hoary with no ill effects, what is the process for getting that package backported to Hoary? Just curious about the process.02:29
tsenguh02:29
tsengwe already did that02:29
Lathiatwhere is it?02:29
Lathiati could do with that02:29
tsengits awaiting processing02:29
Lathiatah neat02:29
Lathiatsomeone let me know when it ends up somewhere02:29
Lathiat:)02:29
majicah, damn02:29
majicI'm building it now =/02:29
majichehe02:29
majicanyway that's awesome news02:30
MezLathiat, majic we're waiting on elmo to shove it in backports02:30
Lathiatbackports exists now?02:30
Lathiatcool02:30
tsengsure.02:30
MezLathiat, yeah has done for a while02:30
Lathiatanythign actually in it? :)02:31
Lathiatman im so asking for trouble02:31
Lathiatim currently running jfs and reiserfs on my laptop02:31
Lathiat... neither has failed me so far. :)02:32
majicdamn, here I was trying to fight for the fix for the ruby package and all I had to do was wait a little while longer... If I wasn't a complete n00b to packaging for Ubuntu I could have helped out more than just pissing on the mailing list and the bugzilla.02:32
Lathiatheh02:32
sebestLathiat , all of this on top of lvm, itself on top of a soft raid 5 :)02:33
Lathiatwell not in my case :)02:34
Lathiatim more worried about jfs than reiser02:34
Lathiatits gone through a few unclean shutdows too02:34
Mezmajic, actually you "pissing" was what made us poke it into backports02:34
Lathiatseems to work02:34
Lathiatbut my laptops install is currently on jfs because i felt liek doing somethign different :)02:34
sebestthese days using ext2 is also being different :)02:35
Lathiatwell i swear by ext302:35
Lathiatnever failed be once02:35
Lathiatbut on less important things i like to play02:35
majicMez, I wasn't trying to be like that though. I really was trying to help. I've been reading the damn debian maintainers guide all day02:35
majichehe02:35
sebestthe other day i had to use ext2r0, didn't know about it before02:35
majicit's gonna take a few more days before I can grasp all this stuff02:35
Mezmajic: dont worry: It's nice to have something like that inb backports02:36
Mezmeans we are slightly worthwhile02:36
majicthis is awesome news.02:37
majicso what's the best way to get into helping out with the Ubuntu development? Is it all about package maintaining, or is there other work that can be done?02:47
crimsunmajic: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community02:48
majicthanks crimsun02:52
crimsunnp02:55
robitaillemajic:  there is quite a few things you can do to help: write docs, answer questions of users, help with bug reports in either Malone or the Bugzilla.  I'm still supposed to learn packaging one of these days, but other stuff keep taking up my time :)02:56
majicGreat! Hey robitaille... I think I saw some of your blogs on planet.ubuntulinux.org =)02:57
robitailleyeah, I try to write the odd blog entry; haven't had so much interesting stuff to write about recently.02:59
tsengme neither03:00
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bddebianHeya ajmitch03:03
tsenghi ajmitch03:03
ajmitchafternoon03:04
tsengrobitaille: as a side note on that article, i more or less had to beat relevant parties into putting that info on the wiki03:04
tsengrobitaille: it didnt just freely flow there.03:04
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whiprushgood luck on wednesday tseng.03:48
majicis there a site similar to gentoo-portage that tells what's new in the repositories?03:55
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bddebianajmitch: Any more word on the lib cxx trans issue?04:05
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ajmitchbddebian: ?04:11
bddebianajmitch: The whole c2 thing you discovered the other day? :-)04:12
ajmitchbddebian: you have any idea how much checking that will take? :)04:13
bddebianNope, I'm clueless remember ;-)04:15
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ajmitchbddebian: to do it properly would require looking at the installed headers of each of them04:16
bddebianEeks04:17
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Amaranthdamn04:25
Amaranthi was just about to tell him the answer to his question04:25
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bddebianHow do you force the distribution to dput ?05:20
gradzacquick question on the UniverseUnmetDeps page...the goal is to recompile the package and then upload it to REVU?  Do we want to add ubuntu to the version?05:31
bddebianApparently they don't want them on REVU if I understand it.  Just post the debdiff and any other related files somewhere and add a link to the wiki page05:33
gradzacok, and someone will grab them and update the archive?  Do I need to add ubuntu to the version?05:37
bddebianI think it depends on if you had to make any changes.  If it built as-is, I would say no. But, be warned, I don't know much :-)05:41
gradzacniether do I :) at least as far as handling these packages for ubuntu is concerned05:42
gradzacbddebian: so if you are new to working on ubuntu, where did you start working?05:50
bddebiangradzac: I started fumbling around. :-)  I added a new package to REVU, worked on UniverseUnmetDeps, then went to the merge stuff, and now trying to get back to UniverseUnmetDeps05:51
gradzacI figure I can work the unmet deps...it is right about my knowledge of making packages05:52
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gradzacok, so I just took a package I have worked with on debian....madman...and built it on ubuntu.  So the build depends got updated and the version now has ubuntu1 on the end of it.  If I throw this on my website can someone take a look?05:56
bddebiancrimsun: What's the matter?05:57
bddebiangradzac: They "should" :-)05:57
ajmitchgradzac: we're just going to duplicate what you do, sinec we don't upload binary packages05:57
crimsunfixing vlc is a PITA05:57
bddebiancrimsun: Ahh05:57
crimsunI've got it pbuilding, though05:57
ajmitchdoing a rebuild is nothing more than tacking a build1 changelog entry on, and pushing it to tbe buildds05:58
gradzacajmitch: ok, so just putting the package and my name on the wiki takes care of that...or something else (the wiki doesn't really say)06:01
gradzacsorry for my ignorance on this process...06:02
bddebiangradzac: afaik, only MOTUs can upload (which kicks it to the buildds).06:03
gradzacbddebian: I guess my main question is this....by working on the unmet dependencies am I saying "yes, I built this package on hoary using pbuilder and it worked fine, so send it to the buildd" or am I rebuilding the package and putting it somewhere for a MOTU to upload06:04
bddebiangradzac: Well you shouldn't be building it on hoary to begin with ;-)06:05
gradzacok, breezy then :)06:06
bddebiangradzac: Ohh, hoary pbuilder.  Is your pbuilder breezy?06:06
bddebianBut essentially you are rebuilding the package and putting a debdiff somewhere for an MOTU to review, merge and upload06:06
ajmitchthere's only going to be a debdiff if there are changes06:06
bddebianAye, good point06:08
bddebianThis is what I hate about this process.  It is very poorly defined :-)06:08
ajmitchso write down some of what we tell you06:09
ajmitchsince the process only develops as we get into it06:09
bddebianI get 10 different answers from 10 different MOTUs :-)06:09
ajmitchthe MOTU team was only formed part-way through the hoary cycle06:09
ajmitchI was one of the early ones, and that was near the start of the year06:10
gradzacajmitch: I'd like to update the wiki, once I make sure I understand the intent of the unmetdeps page06:10
ajmitchseems like a long time now, but it's only been a few months :)06:10
gradzacbddebian: my pbuilder is in the process of becoming breezy as we speak :)06:12
ajmitchgradzac: the purpose of the page is to tell us what doesn't install06:13
ajmitchwe don't know what the problem is until we look at the package06:13
ajmitchit's usually just a rebuild06:13
gradzacajmitch: understand on the rebuild...the package I am playing with built with no problem and just updated the build dependencies06:14
ajmitchok06:14
gradzacajmitch: when I put the package name on the page I'm saying, "this package is good to go", right?06:14
ajmitchthings like updated build dependencies can be put somewhere06:15
ajmitchwell, only if you marked it as that :)06:15
gradzachmmm....so the packages that are listed on the page under "These need love" don't build on breezy?06:16
bddebianDamnit, why did dput put my package in incoming instead of breezy??06:16
bddebiangradzac: Yes06:16
gradzac*ding*, so the light comes on in my clouded mind....now I get it, sorry guys06:16
ajmitchUnmetDeps don't install06:17
bddebiangradzac: Well, don't install on breezy.  They "might" build :-)06:17
ajmitchthey usually build fine06:17
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gradzacI need a machine with breezy installed to work on unmet deps06:20
ajmitchor a chroot06:20
gradzacwell I have the pbuilder chroot06:20
ajmitchbut yes, installation is what we're testing here06:20
gradzacis breezy equivalent to running unstable with debian?06:21
schweebclose to it, yes06:22
schweebit tends to be more actively broken06:22
bddebianheh06:22
gradzacyeah, thats what I was worried about :)06:22
ajmitchdebian unstable spreads out the breakage over a longer period06:23
ajmitchin a 6 month release cycle, we get a lot more fun06:24
ajmitchsince things need to be done & tested in a shorted time06:24
gradzacthe 6 month release cycle is one of the things that interested me about ubuntu in the first place06:24
bddebianIs that what you call it? :-)06:24
gradzacthat and it installed *perfectly* on my new thinkpad06:24
gradzacnot to knock sarge cause I think that would have installed fine as well06:25
gradzacok, how do I make debdiff give me the diff format that people are posting on the unmetdeps page?06:28
bddebian debdiff <old>.dsc <new>.dsc06:29
crimsungah06:30
crimsunvlc is going to ftbfs due to libpostproc-dev being in multiverse06:30
bddebianDoh06:31
crimsunI think I got around this by adding libavcodec-dev to build-conflicts06:33
bddebianBah, I'm going to bed.  Gnight folks06:37
bddebianGood luck gradzac :-)06:37
gradzacbddebian: thanks06:42
gradzacgoodnight all...thanks for the patience with my questions06:55
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tsengdudes08:56
tsengrobot101 likes my dpatch post08:56
sivangtseng: what's robot101 ?08:58
tsengsivang: he ran debianplanet.net08:58
sivangtseng: ah, where can I read your dpatch post?08:58
tsenghttp://tseng.ath.cx/log/?p=708:58
sivangtseng: hehe, I felt the same when I started munging with dpatch :)08:59
sivangtseng: nice post, are you still working on the new ubuntu new maintainer guide? :)09:03
tsengno, Unfrgiven is09:03
Lathiatheh cool i just figured out that alt+right click on a window brings up the metacity window09:07
Lathiatthats handy09:07
AmaranthLathiat: heh, i figured that out when inkscape wanted to use alt09:10
LathiatAmaranth: heh09:27
tsengwhat is this assigning bugs to MOTU business09:38
Burgundaviatseng, robitaille was doing that09:39
tsengim not sure how thats productive09:40
tsengprobably going to make me procmail bugs to somewhere else09:40
Treenakstseng: well, if they're assigned to MOTU, you get a list on your personal info page09:40
Treenakstseng: on launchpad09:40
tsengmeh.09:40
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tsengi dont like working on random packages, i have plenty I "own"09:41
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tsengLathiat: i like alt+drag09:46
tsengLathiat: easier on trackpad09:46
Lathiattseng: yeh me too i use it *all* the time09:46
Lathiatalso with shift09:46
tsengwhen im on windows09:46
tsengat work09:46
tsengi go nuts09:46
Lathiatyeh i do the same thing09:46
Lathiatit shits me all the time09:46
tsengwhats shift09:46
Lathiatlines window borders up09:46
tsengoh, meh09:47
Lathiatand to the edge of the screen09:47
robitailletseng: I had a quick discussion with ajmitch yesterday, and we agreed they should be assigned to motu, then they could be reassigned to individual people as needed.  The problem is that as long as they are not assigned to anyone, these universe bugs seems to fall through the cracks09:47
robitailleand Malone problably have 400-500 universe bugs right now....09:48
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Burgundaviahmm?'11:38
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tsenghi sivang02:59
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majicgood morning03:04
majicor afternoon03:04
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CarlFK apt-get build-dep -b transcode  "E: Build-dependencies for transcode could not be satisfied."03:52
CarlFKhow do I get it to tell me why?03:53
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bddebianMorning03:54
CarlFK9am - yup.03:55
bddebian:-)03:55
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majicmorning04:05
bddebianHello majic04:10
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thierrywhere is the man page in a package?04:44
thierrylike for ubuntu bug 1244504:44
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Mo42hi all05:04
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bddebianHello Mo42, how's it coming?05:09
Mo42hi bddebian, quite well, thanks05:10
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bddebianHeya highvoltage05:36
Mo42yay... another package less in the big unmet dependency list ;)05:38
bddebianNice, good work :-)05:39
Mo42someone should look through the list of debdiffs and upload them... there are many debdiffs on that wikipage that have not been committed yet05:40
bddebianMo42: You think? ;-)05:40
Mo42have your two debdiffs been comitted?05:42
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bddebianMo42: Not to my knowledge :-)05:43
Mo42that's what i meant... slomo also has several debdiffs... but he should get upload rights soon...05:44
bddebianAye05:44
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bddebianWho knows, maybe they'll be foolish enough to give me upload rights one day ;-)05:47
Mo42as far as i've heard you are doing a good job for the motu team...05:49
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bddebianMo42: I don't know who you have been talking to.. ;-P05:52
majicbddebian: how did you get started with MOTU?05:53
Mo42bddebian: i am talking to you05:53
bddebianMo42: I meant I wouldn't know who would have told you that.. :-)05:54
bddebianmajic: Someone suggested I check them out.  I had long been considering trying to become a DD for Debian05:54
Mo42bddebian: someone said that in this channel yesterday (or the day before)...05:55
bddebianThey must have been lying :-)05:55
Mo42according to what i have seen from you (some packages from the unmetdeps list, some packages on revu) that must be true05:56
bddebianHeh, thanks05:57
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Mo42huh? now even my pbuilder does not want to create a new chroot because of unmet deps?05:58
majicbddebian: what I meant was, did you just start working on packages and then upload them somewhere? How does one break into Ubuntu development. I've looked at the participate page on the ubuntu website.05:59
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bddebianmajic: Luckily someone gave me a package they were working on to upload to REVU.  If you want to help with unmet deps, you need to find somewhere you can dump your debdiffs or any other changes that you think are appropriate for an MOTU to review.06:01
bddebianHeya ogra06:01
ograhmpf06:01
bddebianhmpf?06:01
ograi'm looking at 1024x786 on my 1280x800 display... yes, hmpf....06:02
majicgotcha, I'm digging into the participate section on the website06:02
bddebianmajic: If you want to package something new, add yourself to launchpad and REVU.  Read about REVU, here:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com//REVU06:02
bddebianogra: Ahh06:02
ogra<-- idiot ... upgraded X06:02
majicthanks bddebian, I'll bookmark that for now until I sift through all the information on the participate page06:03
Mo42ogra: i had the same problem when updated x06:03
majic< bddebian> majic: If you want to package something new, add yourself to06:03
majic                  launchpad and REVU.  Read about REVU, here:06:03
majic                  https://wiki.ubuntu.com//REVU06:03
majicweird06:03
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bddebian??06:03
majicsorry, that shouldn't have happened06:03
bddebian:-)06:04
ograMo42, i have this every time i upgrade... thats why i normally dont upgrade X... :)06:04
Mo42ogra: then i did dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver and it worked again ;)06:04
majicI'm ssh'd into my home box and using putty, I didn't know when you select text and right click it pastes it =/06:04
ograMo42, but there was to much depending on the new libs...06:04
Mo42what's striking me now is that the v4l module seems to be missing...06:04
ograMo42, do you have a nvidia card with xga display ?06:04
Mo42that means no television ;)06:04
ogras/xga/wxga06:05
Mo42no, ati 720006:05
ograhappy you then :)06:05
ogradoesnt work for me... even grnerating a completely new file with dpkg-reconfigure -f noninteractive doesnt...06:06
bddebianmajic: Yeah, I just learned that not too long ago too.  Pretty nice eh? :-)06:06
Mo42btw: does someone know where the v4l-module has gone? i want to have my tv back ;)06:06
ograso it looks like i'm doomed to a blurry streched screen06:06
majicbddebian: yeah, considering most ports are blocked where I work. So I get around that by ssh'ing to my home machine to get on IRC.06:08
bddebian:-)06:08
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bddebianYeah chillywilly but you're worthless..06:11
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bddebianHello siretart06:24
siretarthuhu bddebian06:24
Mo42hi siretart06:24
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siretarthi Mo4206:24
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Mo42can someone help me with some c++ (gcc4) problem?07:07
Mo42i do not know c++ well enough but i want to fix a package...07:08
Mo42it says: error: cast from 'RS_Layer*' to 'int' loses precision07:08
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Mo42the line in question is: os << " layer address: " << (int)(e.layer) << " ";07:10
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Mo42okay, i think i have solved it myself...07:16
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siretartMo42: the problem is, that pointers are on 64 bit platforms like ia64 or amd64 are 64 bit wide. int is only 32bit. so it is very very evil to cast a pointer to int07:19
siretartMo42: gcc4 finally prohibits this. this has the side effect, that broken source code won't compile anymore07:19
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Mo42then my solution to cast it into a long is correct?07:19
siretartMo42: that depends on the context. if in your example "os" is an standard output stream with operator<< overloaded correctly, I'd say yes07:20
CarlFKdoes apt-get build-dep get the dependencies from the repo, or do I need to install them first?07:20
Mo42okay, thanks07:21
siretartnm07:21
siretartCarlFK: apt-get build-dep tries to resolve build dependencies with your current apt configuration (based normally on /etc/apt/sources.list), so, yes07:21
Mo42siretart: how do i include the patch in my package? i have now just changed the source so that dpkg-buildpackage puts that into its global diff. is that the correct way?07:22
CarlFKsiretart - yes to "get the dependencies" right?07:22
siretartMo42: a way more easy approach is using dpatch. that way, updating to new upstream and reviewing work (hint, hint) is way more easy07:22
Mo42so i should change my package?07:23
siretartCarlFK: yes07:23
majicI've seen the term used a million times and I'm still trying to figure out what it means. What does the term "upstream" mean. (god, another n00b question) =)07:23
siretartMo42: I don't know excactly what your package looks like, but generally, using dpatch is preferred. some reviewers even require that for sponsoring07:24
jamessan|workmajic: the original author(s)07:24
Mo42majic: in this case, upstream means the authors of the software...07:24
Mo42i am working on the qcad package, so upstream means the qcad-authors07:24
siretartmajic: Mo42's right. sometimes we also refer to debian, as they are also "upstream" in some way07:25
jamessan|workwe're downstream from them in the process of getting the software to the users of Ubuntu.07:25
majicah07:25
majicnow that makes sense07:25
Mo42siretart: i know, i was just typing that as well, but you were faster ;)07:25
siretarthehe07:25
Mo42okay, so i will look at some dpatch tutorial ;)07:25
tsengyou can try mine07:27
jamessan|workdpatch-edit-patch is your friend  :)07:28
tsenghttp://tseng.ath.cx/log/?p=707:28
siretartdpatch-edit-patch makes even  an "autoreconf" or a relibtoolizing very convinient to manage07:28
tsengyes.07:29
tsengits brilliant07:29
Mo42i am reading your tutorial atm... great tut, thanks for that ;)07:29
tsengglad to help07:30
majictseng: your little tutorial closes at least one more gapping hole in my understanding of debian packaging =) I really appreciate it.07:33
tsenggreat07:34
Mo42hmm... does not work.. dpatch-edit-patch quits with: make: no rule to make "unpatch". quits. (or something like that, i have translated the german message)07:35
CarlFKhttp://paste.foxshare.net:8888/3307:36
tsengyeah you need that rule07:36
tsengpatch and unpatch07:36
Mo42ah... i have forgotten to put the include-dpatch-voodoo in my debian/rules.. is that the reason?07:37
tsengpart of it07:38
bddebianYeah, why isn't dpatch for dummies on wiki.ubuntu.com?? :-)07:38
tsengit is07:38
bddebianOh07:38
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tsengin a different version07:38
tsenghm but where07:38
tsengoh07:38
tsenghttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingTips?highlight=%28dpatch%2907:39
bddebianAhh07:39
Mo42yay works now07:39
Seveassiretart, breezy-changes@ rss feed is created ;)07:39
Seveasthanks for the suggestion07:40
siretartSeveas: woah, great!07:40
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siretartSeveas: where can I subscribe? ;)07:40
Seveashttp://ubuntulinux.nl/files/breezy.xml07:40
siretartexcellent07:41
Seveasstill pretty ugly (changelog wrapped in <pre>) prettifying is next :)07:41
siretartis there any way to get that into firefox? (i'm quite a noob, you know)07:41
Seveaswith sage (an extension)07:41
siretarthm07:41
siretartfirefox has an built in rss reader, I'm using that for some newstickers..07:42
tsengblam.07:42
Seveashmm, right, FF has that built in now :)07:42
siretartthe call it "dynamic bookmark".. hm07:42
Seveastseng, I would expect that from you as mono guy :)07:42
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tsengyep07:43
siretartok, I'll put  that on my list07:43
siretart(managed by tomboy *g*)07:43
Seveas:)07:43
bddebianAnyone know why dput to my local repo puts a package to incoming instead of breezy?07:44
tsengbreezy isnt a directory07:45
tsengon the real servers07:45
tsengeverything goes to incoming/07:45
bddebianHmm07:45
tsengand is processed from there07:46
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siretartbddebian: the distribution is parsed from the changes file. debian uses this feature to distinguish uploads to experimental or unstable for example.07:47
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Mo42yay, one more question:07:49
Mo42after changing so much, i think i should make a new ...ubuntux revision...07:49
Mo42the version is now 2.0.4.0-1-2build2.. to what should i change that?07:50
Mo422.0.4.0-1-2ubuntu1?07:50
siretartMo42: if you work on a package, you have to make sure, the string ubuntu is included in the version string07:51
Mo42then 2.0.4.0-1-2ubuntu1 is the right decision?07:51
siretartMo42: otherwise your changes would be automatically overwritten by autosync07:51
siretartMo42: jes07:51
siretartyes. even07:51
siretartMo42: is that an already existing package or is it NEW? the version number looks very akward07:52
Mo42it's the breezy qcad package i am working on07:53
siretartok07:53
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Mo42okay, i think that i am ready now, but could someone review that?07:58
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CarlFK apt-get build-dep...." E: Build-dependencies for transcode could not be satisfied." http://paste.foxshare.net:8888/3308:08
CarlFKwhere do I go now?08:09
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Mo42CarlFK: iirc is there no transcode in ubuntu atm...08:10
CarlFKright - I am trying to make it08:10
Mo42oh sorry..08:10
CarlFKno prob08:11
Mo42i misunderstood you08:11
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Mo42grr... if my galeon would stop crashing all the time i would look at your page :(08:12
Mo42ahh... well, mozilla seems to be more stable on breezy...08:12
bddebianCarlFK: Try to do a dpkg-buildpackage or debuild and see which packages aren't being met and install manually install you find the failed one :-)08:12
CarlFK" see which packages aren't being met" isn't that what "libavifile-0.7-dev has broken dep on libavifile-0.708:13
Mo42seems that libavifile needs some love, too ;)08:13
CarlFKtells me?08:13
Mo42my hint: try to fix libavifile, then continue with transcode..08:14
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bddebianCarlFK: Make sure you have universe and multiverse repo's too. Sometimes packages can pop-up in unexpected places ;-)08:14
CarlFKI even have  ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat08:16
Mo42the marillat packages are not very stable on ubuntu...08:17
Mo42do you plan to work on libavifile?08:19
bddebianlibavifile-0.7c102 1:0.7.42.20050215-108:19
bddebian apt-cache dump |grep libavifile is your friend ;-)08:20
Mo42well, i think that libavifile-0.7 is newer?08:20
Mo42and it replaces libavifile-0.7c102...08:20
bddebianNo anything with c2 on the end should be a cxx transition08:20
bddebianHmm, lemme look08:21
Mo42well, libavifile-0.7 is version 1:0.7.43.20050224-1ubuntu408:21
Mo42Replaces: libavifile0.7, libavifile0.7c102, libavifile-0.7c10208:21
CarlFKI was hoping to get "something" to work, then I could work on improving it08:21
bddebianMo42: You are right.  That's funny though because the date string is newer.. Sheesh08:21
bddebianDamn, no it isn't.  I cannot read08:22
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ograbddebian, so your X is broken too ?08:23
ogra:)08:23
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bddebianogra: No, I just SUCK.. :'-(08:24
ograi whish we could change... being a sucker is better then having to read blurry fonts and get a headache08:25
bddebianNo, not sucker, I suck.. Meaning I'm useless. :-(08:26
bddebian:-)08:26
ogra:)08:26
CarlFKso did anyone have something for me to try, or do I post this somewhere08:26
bddebianCarlFK: What does libavifile-0.7-dev depend on that's missing?08:27
CarlFKum, how do I tell?08:27
bddebianCarlFK: apt-get install libafile...  ?08:27
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CarlFK"libavifile-0.7-dev: Depends: libavifile-0.7 (= 1:0.7.43.20050224-1ubuntu4)"08:30
CarlFKwhat is the = 1:0.7.... ?08:31
CarlFKhere is the whole thing: http://paste.foxshare.net:8888/3408:31
bddebianVersion dependency I think but don't quote me08:31
Amaranthisn't that an epoch thingy?08:33
CarlFKwho is epoch? ;)08:33
bddebianCarlFK: What do you get if you apt-get install libavifile-0.7 ?08:33
CarlFKthis: http://paste.foxshare.net:8888/3408:33
Mo42i think that problem is because of the "Conflicts: libavifile-0.7c102 (<= 1:0.7.42.20050215-1), libavifile-0.7" in libavifile-0.7-dev08:34
bddebianCarlFK: No, not the -dev, just libavifile-0.7 ?08:34
bddebianMo42: Right now I am just guessing that -dev just needs a rebuild08:35
CarlFKbddebian - middle: root@cp600:~ # apt-get install libavifile-0.708:35
bddebianCarlFK: Heh, whoops, sorry.  So it installed?08:35
CarlFKwhat is "needs a rebuild" ?08:35
bddebianCarlFK: Just a "repackage"08:35
CarlFKit is now - no help08:35
Mo42who wants to do that? CarlFK? if not, i could look at that in a few hours or tomorrow or so...08:36
bddebiandpkg-buildpacke or debuild08:36
bddebianWe really need some clueful people around here. ;-)08:36
CarlFKindeed! ;)08:36
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Mo42btw: what happens to all the debdiffs on UniverseUnmetDeps?08:37
bddebianMo42: They should get reviewed by an MOTU and uploaded08:38
Mo42if i finally get my qcat package right some time ;)08:40
CarlFKapt-get build-dep libavifile-0.7 = http://paste.foxshare.net:8888/3508:40
CarlFKdo I want to do that?08:40
CarlFKor should I do this on a "scratch box" that I can rebuild tonight08:40
CarlFKI can answer that: yes ;)08:41
bddebianCarlFK: You got no choice if you want to build it :-)08:41
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comadrejahello my friends08:50
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comadrejaseems like everybody is on holidays :)08:52
siretartor very busy :(08:54
siretarthi comadreja08:54
comadrejahello siretart, nice to see you08:54
comadrejaI've seen your uploads08:55
comadrejayou are indeed busy :)08:55
siretartsorry, I'm busy with my thesis08:55
comadrejaoops08:55
siretartI'm overdue..08:55
comadrejagood luck then08:55
siretartthanks08:56
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hervehello08:57
bddebianHeya herve08:58
bddebianHello comadreja08:58
bddebiancomadreja: Hey, what do you mean everyone is on holiday??? :-)08:58
herveI knew it if I was on holidays...08:58
Mo42if somebody knows how to work with dpatch: what am i doing wrong?09:00
Mo42my patch does not get applied...09:01
Mo42my patch is in debian/patches/01gcc4.dpatch...09:01
bddebianMo42: What package?09:01
herveis it listed in debian/patches/00list ?09:01
Mo42the build target depends on patch09:01
Mo42oh...09:01
hervehave you added the targets in your rules file?09:02
bddebianherve: Ahh, you beat me to it :-)09:02
Mo42that's what i forgot ;) thanks ;)09:02
hervebddebian, extracted from my personal FAQ ;-)09:02
bddebianheh09:02
Mo42bddebian: still working on qcad, since my first debdiff does not work (i thought it would :( )09:02
bddebianAhh09:04
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bddebianwb ogra09:04
Mo42the sad thing is that my problems are all mentioned in tseng's tutorial... seems that i am reading too fast :(09:05
ograX !09:05
siretarthi ogra.09:05
siretartwhat is with X?09:05
ograit was broken lie hell here...09:06
ogralike even09:06
bddebianwas?  So you fixed it?09:06
hervemine gave a blank screen but rebooting with kernel 2.6.12-5 fixed it09:06
ograbddebian, yesss09:07
comadrejamine doesn't let me switch to console09:07
Mo42and i am still missing the v4l module for x :(09:07
hervecomadreja, i810 chipset?09:07
comadrejayep09:07
herveit's a bug in the driver initialization09:08
herveit won't restore text mode09:08
hervebut it's fixed upstream09:08
hervethe console still works though09:08
comadrejaherve : cool, at least is only a matter of time09:08
ograthe prob with my hardware is that either X is to dumb or the flatpanel doesnt give the data correctly... so i end up with a resolution of 1024x786 on a 1280x800 screen... the fonts kill your eyes after 10min09:08
comadrejaogra, do you have the sync lines ? if so try removing them09:09
ograit works now...09:09
ograi took the config from a liveCD09:09
ogra(with a fixed modeline that works)09:10
comadrejacool :)09:10
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\shevening09:18
herveyo09:18
bddebian\sh!09:19
bddebianCarlFK: \sh is DA MAN if you have more questions ;-)09:19
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comadrejahello \sh :D09:20
comadrejaI've been busy lately too09:20
\shI'm just burned out..that's all trying to fuel up again :)09:21
comadrejaI've been programming in python like 18 hours a day09:21
comadrejaI need to refuel too09:21
hervenice, comadreja!09:21
comadrejapython is soooo great09:21
\shyes it is..09:22
Mo42btw: did someone tried to compile qt things in pbuilder lately?09:24
\shaehm....kdenetwork yes09:25
\shMo42: what's up with it?09:25
Mo42i have the problem that it does always say "Session management error: Could not open network socket"09:25
\shoh...uic?09:26
Mo42and before that it waits a second or so... without using cpu oder disk or whatever... that makes compiling damn slow09:26
\shthat's normal...forget about it09:26
Mo42yes... uic09:26
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\shi think uic tries to open a socket to the x server09:26
Mo42how can i avoid that?09:27
\shu can't09:27
\shpbuilder doesn't have the possibility to access your X server at ll09:27
\sh+a09:27
Mo42but can i speed that up somehow?09:28
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\shhmm....faster CPU? ;)09:29
\shno I don't think u can speed it up09:29
\shor you find a solution to let pbuilder access your x server09:29
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Mo42well, my average cpu is at 20-30% while compiling...09:30
\shMo42: c++ was always slower then C compiling09:31
Mo42yea, i know... but uic always waits _without_ using my cpu09:31
Mo42it just waits for a network connection...09:32
\shMo42: yes...and that's a disadvantage of uic09:32
Mo42YEAH... my qcad package finally works.... with all dependencies and everything ;)))09:34
bddebianMo42: Awesome, good job09:35
Mo42could someone please review http://ubuntu.mobr.de/sources/debdiffs/qcad_2.0.4.0-1-2ubuntu1.debdiff ?09:36
\shMo42: please adjust xlibs-dev build-dep....apt-cache show xlibs-dev and there is the description09:38
Mo42hehe... that was nothing that i have changed.... but i will do that...09:39
\shMo42: and for what do u need cdbs?09:40
Mo42oups09:40
Mo42okay, that's my fault ;)09:40
bddebianMo42: See, told you all that \sh was DA MAN :-)09:41
Mo42how do i know which -dev packages i need to depend on? instead of xlibs-dev?09:41
Mo42bddebian: now i know why ;)09:42
Mo42\sh: doesn't libqt3-dev depend on anything i need?09:43
ograMo42, check it ;)09:43
ograMo42, apt-cache depends libqt3-dev09:44
Mo42hehe... i will try if it compiles in pbuilder without the xlibs-dev dependency...09:44
\shwhy not libqt3-mt-dev?09:44
Mo42\sh: thats what i meant09:45
bddebianI don't think you have a choice do you?09:45
\shMo42: no...u should adjust the xlibs-dev dep09:45
bddebianOh.. Heh09:45
\shit means replace it with the mentioned one in the description of xlibs-dev09:45
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Mo42well, it mentions 12 different -dev packages..09:46
Mo42which do i need? and which one is not needed? who can i find it out?09:46
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Mo42i guess it is either libx11-dev or x-dev....09:47
\shok...dinner time :)09:48
Mo42okay... anyone else who knows which xlib-dev packages qcad should build-depend on?09:49
\shtry libx11-dev first09:49
Mo42thanks!09:50
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Mo42btw: is there an amd64 user with breezy here?10:02
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siretartre10:26
hervehi siretart10:27
Mo42wb siretart10:27
\shsiretart: meeting10:27
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siretart\sh: woah, thanks. motu-meeting, I assume, is it?10:28
\shno..CC10:28
\shmotu is tomorrow 22:00 UTC10:28
siretartaah, ok, thanks again10:28
Mo42\sh: fixed all your issues. do you think it's okay now? (http://ubuntu.mobr.de/sources/debdiffs/qcad_2.0.4.0-1-2ubuntu1.debdiff)10:29
\shMo42: after the meeting thx :)10:29
Mo42okay.. sure..10:29
Mo42CarlFK: do you still work on libavifile?10:32
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infinitohi everyone10:44
infinito\sh: are u here?10:45
\shmeeting10:45
infinito\sh: sorry...10:45
\shinfinito: please join #ubuntu-meeting to know how membership applications are working :)10:46
\shlisten :)10:47
\shread :)10:47
infinito\sh: ok ;)10:47
\shand no technical questions :) it's a nono ;)10:47
infinito\sh: i'll keep shut up ;)10:48
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bddebianThere is a meeting again tomorrow??  Yikes10:51
\shbddebian: motu meeting tomorrow..please attend...10:51
bddebian\sh: Why, I am not ready. :-)10:52
\shbddebian: it's motu meeting...not TB10:52
bddebianOhhh10:52
\shbddebian: and u belong to the motu10:52
bddebianWell in that case I'm not an MOTU.. ;-P10:52
crimsuntech board's not til the 9th, bddebian10:52
bddebianThx crimsun10:53
\shbddebian: come on..the title is not important10:53
bddebian\sh: I know, I'm joking with you.10:53
\shthe upload rights are not important10:53
\shbddebian: ok...:)10:53
crimsunthe work speaks for itself10:53
\shcrimsun: correct10:54
bddebianWell then I'm definetly in trouble. ;-)10:54
\shbddebian: since u joined, u r in trouble ;)10:54
bddebianAye, hehe10:54
infinitohey... gcfilms was updated today on debian sid, maybe u people can take a look at it....10:56
bddebianAren't we in UVF?10:56
siretartyes, but we also accept new version for important fixees10:57
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bddebianAh, OK10:57
dholbachhi10:57
bddebianWelcom dholbach10:57
siretarthuhu dholbach10:57
dholbachhellas bddebian10:57
bddebianErr welcome even10:57
\shsiretart: new packages10:57
Mo42btw: is the motu meeting something for me too or is it for people who are more involved in the motu project?10:58
crimsunhey dholbach10:58
Mo42hi dholbach10:58
\shMo42: yes10:58
siretart\sh: I don't really see problems with new packages in universe. since they are leaf nodes of the dependency, they wouldn't destabilize universe10:58
dholbachMo42: it's interesting for everybody and if you have suggestions, we'll hear you out10:58
dholbachhi daniel10:59
\shsiretart: so lets sync with debian for gcfilms10:59
Mo42okay, thanks ;) then i will be there too...10:59
infinitosiretart: i agree with \sh ;)11:00
siretartokay, so somebody set it on MOTUToSync11:00
\shinfinito: do it yourself, put a "++ from StephanHermann" to it11:00
infinito\sh: on MOTUToSync i supposse....11:01
bddebianSheesh, this place is starting to feel like my RL job.  Meetings, meetings, meetings.. ;-P11:01
\shinfinito: yes11:01
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dholbach:)11:01
\shbddebian: community work is hard stuff...believe me :)11:02
bddebian:-)11:02
dholbachit's charming and no work at all :)11:02
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dholbach:-)11:03
dholbachshould we add common discussions and packaging practices to the motu meeting as well?11:03
bddebianSure11:03
dholbachon REVU there are some things people take for granted, which imho are not11:04
dholbachalthough this will be more like flaming11:04
bddebianWhy?11:04
dholbachbecause there are so many different opinions, and all of them hold a bit of truth :)11:04
infinito\sh: done, thanks!11:05
dholbachand i'm not sure, if we should have a motu packaging policy11:05
dholbachbetter not :)11:05
bddebiandholbach: I think we should at least have guidelines.  Not that my opinions mean much :-)11:06
\shdholbach: sure11:06
dholbach\sh: sure what? :)11:06
dholbach\sh: MORE RULES? :)11:06
siretartah, just don't forget your asbestos, so flames are not an issue anymore ;)11:06
bddebianheh11:06
\shdholbach: hehe...actually even the quality of debian is getting worse :(11:07
\shdholbach: so we should have some quality standards11:07
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dholbachwe do and our package reviews are quite anal sometimes - which is ok with me11:07
\shah adomanski welcome :)11:07
majicis there a place to see what's pending inclusion into backports? I heard the ruby package was backported, I don't see it yet in the repo.11:07
\shdholbach: even for syncs ;)11:07
dholbachbut sometimes, the "rules" are a bit strange11:07
adomanskihi guys11:07
dholbachhi adomanski :)11:08
dholbachnice to have you here11:08
bddebianHello adomanski11:08
\shdholbach: well..we should document our work better...and when I see some cdbs stuff...terrible ;)11:10
dholbachadded my thought to MOTUMeeting11:11
jbailey\sh: cdbs is good for you. =)11:14
\shjbailey: I'm doing debhelper+cdbs+plain makefiles all together *lol*11:15
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=== infinito is away: Estoy ocupado
hervenight all11:21
hervehey dholbach!11:21
dholbachhey herve!11:21
dholbachARG11:21
bddebianBye herve... :(11:21
dholbachthat herve11:21
dholbachjust too fast11:21
bddebianWell I suppose I better head home also11:23
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Mo42how can i use universe packages in pbuilder? it always sets my sources.list to main only...11:25
dholbachMo42: did you explicitly follow PbuilderHowto on the wiki?11:25
bddebianMo42: Update your pbuilder sources.list11:25
dholbachMo42: and sudo pbuilder create breezy afterwards (or update)11:26
bddebianAye11:26
Mo42oh, i have not set my APTCONFDIR...11:29
dholbachahh alright :)11:29
Mo42dholbach: thanks for the hint to the wiki page ;)11:29
dholbachde rien11:29
bddebianBah, daniels hates me too11:29
dholbachoh noooooooooooooo11:30
dholbachbddebian: i don't think so11:30
dholbachwho hates you?11:30
bddebiandholbach: tseng, daniels, infinity, possibly seth_k.. ;-P11:30
dholbachbddebian: you're seeing things11:30
dholbachhonestly :)11:30
dholbachsaid that, i DON'T hate you :)11:31
bddebianWell I am pretty annoying :-)11:31
ogradholbach, pretender11:31
dholbachyou're not, we're having people which are annoying11:31
dholbachogra: man, what's wrong with you? :)11:31
ogra*g*11:31
bddebianHeh.  Alright gents, catch you in a few.11:32
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bddebianHeh, thx11:32
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\shok..I'm off to bed...11:41
\shnight guys11:41
=== siretart too
Mo42\sh: did you look at my qcad changes?11:42
siretartgn8 foks11:42
dholbachbye siretart11:42
dholbachbye \sh_away11:42
siretartby dholbach11:42
Mo42gn8 \sh and siretart11:42
ajmitchmorning11:50
dholbachandrew!11:50
ajmitchdaniel!11:51
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sistpotyhi all11:58
ajmitchhi11:58
majichello sistpoty11:58
dholbachhey stefan11:58
sistpotyis CC meeting now?12:00
dholbachit's over :(12:00
sistpotydamn, got my calender wrong *g*12:01
dholbachbut if you wait 24h you're JUST IN TIME for the motu meeting ;)(12:01
sistpotyah... at least this calendar entry is correct :)12:01
dholbachsistpoty: i import the .ics file from wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar12:01
sistpotyah... that's nice :)12:02
dholbachrobitaille rocks :)12:07

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