[02:17] <majic> here is a rather dumb question, how can I download a source package from breezy to my hoary box? Do I need to add line to my /etc/apt/sources.list?
[02:18] <Lathiat> majic: you could add a breezy deb-src line
[02:18] <Nafallo> majic: yes. breezys deb-src.
[02:18] <Lathiat> and perhaps pin everythign to hoary and use apt-get -t breezy source <package>
[02:18] <Nafallo> hmm
[02:18] <majic> is there an easier way to do it? Like just going to a ftp site? I just need one source package
[02:18] <Nafallo> Lathiat: thanx ;-)
[02:18] <Lathiat> majic: sure you could fetch it off an ftp site
[02:18] <Lathiat> and then dpkg-source -x
[02:19] <Lathiat> probably easier just to add a breezy deb-src
[02:19] <Lathiat> apt-get sourc eit
[02:19] <Lathiat> and take the line back out again
[02:19] <Lathiat> :)
[02:19] <Nafallo> majic: http://archive.ubuntu.com
[02:19] <Nafallo> majic: saves your googling
[02:20] <majic> hmm, I've been all through archive.ubuntu.com and cannot find actual source packages
[02:21] <crimsun> majic: they're in the same location as the others
[02:21] <majic> where are the actual source packages stored?
[02:21] <Nafallo> majic: http://archive.ubuntu.com/pool/main/g/gaim for example
[02:21] <Nafallo> majic: .dsc .diff.gz .orig.tar.gz
[02:21] <majic> no wonder, I was not looking in pool... duh!
[02:21] <majic> silly me
[02:22] <Nafallo> Lathiat: thanx for -t, will save me apt-cache madison's ;-)
[02:25] <Lathiat> Nafallo: :)
[02:25] <majic> Nafallo, I appreciate that info
[02:27] <Nafallo> majic: no problem :-)
[02:29] <majic> here is a hypothetical question. Say for instance the Breezy Ruby 1.8.2 package works in Hoary with no ill effects, what is the process for getting that package backported to Hoary? Just curious about the process.
[02:29] <tseng> uh
[02:29] <tseng> we already did that
[02:29] <Lathiat> where is it?
[02:29] <Lathiat> i could do with that
[02:29] <tseng> its awaiting processing
[02:29] <Lathiat> ah neat
[02:29] <Lathiat> someone let me know when it ends up somewhere
[02:29] <Lathiat> :)
[02:29] <majic> ah, damn
[02:29] <majic> I'm building it now =/
[02:29] <majic> hehe
[02:30] <majic> anyway that's awesome news
[02:30] <Mez> Lathiat, majic we're waiting on elmo to shove it in backports
[02:30] <Lathiat> backports exists now?
[02:30] <Lathiat> cool
[02:30] <tseng> sure.
[02:30] <Mez> Lathiat, yeah has done for a while
[02:31] <Lathiat> anythign actually in it? :)
[02:31] <Lathiat> man im so asking for trouble
[02:31] <Lathiat> im currently running jfs and reiserfs on my laptop
[02:32] <Lathiat> ... neither has failed me so far. :)
[02:32] <majic> damn, here I was trying to fight for the fix for the ruby package and all I had to do was wait a little while longer... If I wasn't a complete n00b to packaging for Ubuntu I could have helped out more than just pissing on the mailing list and the bugzilla.
[02:32] <Lathiat> heh
[02:33] <sebest> Lathiat , all of this on top of lvm, itself on top of a soft raid 5 :)
[02:34] <Lathiat> well not in my case :)
[02:34] <Lathiat> im more worried about jfs than reiser
[02:34] <Lathiat> its gone through a few unclean shutdows too
[02:34] <Mez> majic, actually you "pissing" was what made us poke it into backports
[02:34] <Lathiat> seems to work
[02:34] <Lathiat> but my laptops install is currently on jfs because i felt liek doing somethign different :)
[02:35] <sebest> these days using ext2 is also being different :)
[02:35] <Lathiat> well i swear by ext3
[02:35] <Lathiat> never failed be once
[02:35] <Lathiat> but on less important things i like to play
[02:35] <majic> Mez, I wasn't trying to be like that though. I really was trying to help. I've been reading the damn debian maintainers guide all day
[02:35] <majic> hehe
[02:35] <sebest> the other day i had to use ext2r0, didn't know about it before
[02:35] <majic> it's gonna take a few more days before I can grasp all this stuff
[02:36] <Mez> majic: dont worry: It's nice to have something like that inb backports
[02:36] <Mez> means we are slightly worthwhile
[02:37] <majic> this is awesome news.
[02:47] <majic> so what's the best way to get into helping out with the Ubuntu development? Is it all about package maintaining, or is there other work that can be done?
[02:48] <crimsun> majic: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community
[02:52] <majic> thanks crimsun
[02:55] <crimsun> np
[02:56] <robitaille> majic:  there is quite a few things you can do to help: write docs, answer questions of users, help with bug reports in either Malone or the Bugzilla.  I'm still supposed to learn packaging one of these days, but other stuff keep taking up my time :)
[02:57] <majic> Great! Hey robitaille... I think I saw some of your blogs on planet.ubuntulinux.org =)
[02:59] <robitaille> yeah, I try to write the odd blog entry; haven't had so much interesting stuff to write about recently.
[03:00] <tseng> me neither
[03:03] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[03:03] <tseng> hi ajmitch
[03:04] <ajmitch> afternoon
[03:04] <tseng> robitaille: as a side note on that article, i more or less had to beat relevant parties into putting that info on the wiki
[03:04] <tseng> robitaille: it didnt just freely flow there.
[03:48] <whiprush> good luck on wednesday tseng.
[03:55] <majic> is there a site similar to gentoo-portage that tells what's new in the repositories?
[04:05] <bddebian> ajmitch: Any more word on the lib cxx trans issue?
[04:11] <ajmitch> bddebian: ?
[04:12] <bddebian> ajmitch: The whole c2 thing you discovered the other day? :-)
[04:13] <ajmitch> bddebian: you have any idea how much checking that will take? :)
[04:15] <bddebian> Nope, I'm clueless remember ;-)
[04:16] <ajmitch> bddebian: to do it properly would require looking at the installed headers of each of them
[04:17] <bddebian> Eeks
[04:25] <Amaranth> damn
[04:25] <Amaranth> i was just about to tell him the answer to his question
[05:20] <bddebian> How do you force the distribution to dput ?
[05:31] <gradzac> quick question on the UniverseUnmetDeps page...the goal is to recompile the package and then upload it to REVU?  Do we want to add ubuntu to the version?
[05:33] <bddebian> Apparently they don't want them on REVU if I understand it.  Just post the debdiff and any other related files somewhere and add a link to the wiki page
[05:37] <gradzac> ok, and someone will grab them and update the archive?  Do I need to add ubuntu to the version?
[05:41] <bddebian> I think it depends on if you had to make any changes.  If it built as-is, I would say no. But, be warned, I don't know much :-)
[05:42] <gradzac> niether do I :) at least as far as handling these packages for ubuntu is concerned
[05:50] <gradzac> bddebian: so if you are new to working on ubuntu, where did you start working?
[05:51] <bddebian> gradzac: I started fumbling around. :-)  I added a new package to REVU, worked on UniverseUnmetDeps, then went to the merge stuff, and now trying to get back to UniverseUnmetDeps
[05:52] <gradzac> I figure I can work the unmet deps...it is right about my knowledge of making packages
[05:56] <gradzac> ok, so I just took a package I have worked with on debian....madman...and built it on ubuntu.  So the build depends got updated and the version now has ubuntu1 on the end of it.  If I throw this on my website can someone take a look?
[05:57] <bddebian> crimsun: What's the matter?
[05:57] <bddebian> gradzac: They "should" :-)
[05:57] <ajmitch> gradzac: we're just going to duplicate what you do, sinec we don't upload binary packages
[05:57] <crimsun> fixing vlc is a PITA
[05:57] <bddebian> crimsun: Ahh
[05:57] <crimsun> I've got it pbuilding, though
[05:58] <ajmitch> doing a rebuild is nothing more than tacking a build1 changelog entry on, and pushing it to tbe buildds
[06:01] <gradzac> ajmitch: ok, so just putting the package and my name on the wiki takes care of that...or something else (the wiki doesn't really say)
[06:02] <gradzac> sorry for my ignorance on this process...
[06:03] <bddebian> gradzac: afaik, only MOTUs can upload (which kicks it to the buildds).
[06:04] <gradzac> bddebian: I guess my main question is this....by working on the unmet dependencies am I saying "yes, I built this package on hoary using pbuilder and it worked fine, so send it to the buildd" or am I rebuilding the package and putting it somewhere for a MOTU to upload
[06:05] <bddebian> gradzac: Well you shouldn't be building it on hoary to begin with ;-)
[06:06] <gradzac> ok, breezy then :)
[06:06] <bddebian> gradzac: Ohh, hoary pbuilder.  Is your pbuilder breezy?
[06:06] <bddebian> But essentially you are rebuilding the package and putting a debdiff somewhere for an MOTU to review, merge and upload
[06:06] <ajmitch> there's only going to be a debdiff if there are changes
[06:08] <bddebian> Aye, good point
[06:08] <bddebian> This is what I hate about this process.  It is very poorly defined :-)
[06:09] <ajmitch> so write down some of what we tell you
[06:09] <ajmitch> since the process only develops as we get into it
[06:09] <bddebian> I get 10 different answers from 10 different MOTUs :-)
[06:09] <ajmitch> the MOTU team was only formed part-way through the hoary cycle
[06:10] <ajmitch> I was one of the early ones, and that was near the start of the year
[06:10] <gradzac> ajmitch: I'd like to update the wiki, once I make sure I understand the intent of the unmetdeps page
[06:10] <ajmitch> seems like a long time now, but it's only been a few months :)
[06:12] <gradzac> bddebian: my pbuilder is in the process of becoming breezy as we speak :)
[06:13] <ajmitch> gradzac: the purpose of the page is to tell us what doesn't install
[06:13] <ajmitch> we don't know what the problem is until we look at the package
[06:13] <ajmitch> it's usually just a rebuild
[06:14] <gradzac> ajmitch: understand on the rebuild...the package I am playing with built with no problem and just updated the build dependencies
[06:14] <ajmitch> ok
[06:14] <gradzac> ajmitch: when I put the package name on the page I'm saying, "this package is good to go", right?
[06:15] <ajmitch> things like updated build dependencies can be put somewhere
[06:15] <ajmitch> well, only if you marked it as that :)
[06:16] <gradzac> hmmm....so the packages that are listed on the page under "These need love" don't build on breezy?
[06:16] <bddebian> Damnit, why did dput put my package in incoming instead of breezy??
[06:16] <bddebian> gradzac: Yes
[06:16] <gradzac> *ding*, so the light comes on in my clouded mind....now I get it, sorry guys
[06:17] <ajmitch> UnmetDeps don't install
[06:17] <bddebian> gradzac: Well, don't install on breezy.  They "might" build :-)
[06:17] <ajmitch> they usually build fine
[06:20] <gradzac> I need a machine with breezy installed to work on unmet deps
[06:20] <ajmitch> or a chroot
[06:20] <gradzac> well I have the pbuilder chroot
[06:20] <ajmitch> but yes, installation is what we're testing here
[06:21] <gradzac> is breezy equivalent to running unstable with debian?
[06:22] <schweeb> close to it, yes
[06:22] <schweeb> it tends to be more actively broken
[06:22] <bddebian> heh
[06:22] <gradzac> yeah, thats what I was worried about :)
[06:23] <ajmitch> debian unstable spreads out the breakage over a longer period
[06:24] <ajmitch> in a 6 month release cycle, we get a lot more fun
[06:24] <ajmitch> since things need to be done & tested in a shorted time
[06:24] <gradzac> the 6 month release cycle is one of the things that interested me about ubuntu in the first place
[06:24] <bddebian> Is that what you call it? :-)
[06:24] <gradzac> that and it installed *perfectly* on my new thinkpad
[06:25] <gradzac> not to knock sarge cause I think that would have installed fine as well
[06:28] <gradzac> ok, how do I make debdiff give me the diff format that people are posting on the unmetdeps page?
[06:29] <bddebian>  debdiff <old>.dsc <new>.dsc
[06:30] <crimsun> gah
[06:30] <crimsun> vlc is going to ftbfs due to libpostproc-dev being in multiverse
[06:31] <bddebian> Doh
[06:33] <crimsun> I think I got around this by adding libavcodec-dev to build-conflicts
[06:37] <bddebian> Bah, I'm going to bed.  Gnight folks
[06:37] <bddebian> Good luck gradzac :-)
[06:42] <gradzac> bddebian: thanks
[06:55] <gradzac> goodnight all...thanks for the patience with my questions
[08:56] <tseng> dudes
[08:56] <tseng> robot101 likes my dpatch post
[08:58] <sivang> tseng: what's robot101 ?
[08:58] <tseng> sivang: he ran debianplanet.net
[08:58] <sivang> tseng: ah, where can I read your dpatch post?
[08:58] <tseng> http://tseng.ath.cx/log/?p=7
[08:59] <sivang> tseng: hehe, I felt the same when I started munging with dpatch :)
[09:03] <sivang> tseng: nice post, are you still working on the new ubuntu new maintainer guide? :)
[09:03] <tseng> no, Unfrgiven is
[09:07] <Lathiat> heh cool i just figured out that alt+right click on a window brings up the metacity window
[09:07] <Lathiat> thats handy
[09:10] <Amaranth> Lathiat: heh, i figured that out when inkscape wanted to use alt
[09:27] <Lathiat> Amaranth: heh
[09:38] <tseng> what is this assigning bugs to MOTU business
[09:39] <Burgundavia> tseng, robitaille was doing that
[09:40] <tseng> im not sure how thats productive
[09:40] <tseng> probably going to make me procmail bugs to somewhere else
[09:40] <Treenaks> tseng: well, if they're assigned to MOTU, you get a list on your personal info page
[09:40] <Treenaks> tseng: on launchpad
[09:40] <tseng> meh.
[09:41] <tseng> i dont like working on random packages, i have plenty I "own"
[09:46] <tseng> Lathiat: i like alt+drag
[09:46] <tseng> Lathiat: easier on trackpad
[09:46] <Lathiat> tseng: yeh me too i use it *all* the time
[09:46] <Lathiat> also with shift
[09:46] <tseng> when im on windows
[09:46] <tseng> at work
[09:46] <tseng> i go nuts
[09:46] <Lathiat> yeh i do the same thing
[09:46] <Lathiat> it shits me all the time
[09:46] <tseng> whats shift
[09:46] <Lathiat> lines window borders up
[09:47] <tseng> oh, meh
[09:47] <Lathiat> and to the edge of the screen
[09:47] <robitaille> tseng: I had a quick discussion with ajmitch yesterday, and we agreed they should be assigned to motu, then they could be reassigned to individual people as needed.  The problem is that as long as they are not assigned to anyone, these universe bugs seems to fall through the cracks
[09:48] <robitaille> and Malone problably have 400-500 universe bugs right now....
[11:35] <\sh> *grmpf*
[11:38] <Burgundavia> hmm?'
[02:59] <tseng> hi sivang
[03:04] <majic> good morning
[03:04] <majic> or afternoon
[03:52] <CarlFK>  apt-get build-dep -b transcode  "E: Build-dependencies for transcode could not be satisfied."
[03:53] <CarlFK> how do I get it to tell me why?
[03:54] <bddebian> Morning
[03:55] <CarlFK> 9am - yup.
[03:55] <bddebian> :-)
[04:05] <majic> morning
[04:10] <bddebian> Hello majic
[04:44] <thierry> where is the man page in a package?
[04:44] <thierry> like for ubuntu bug 12445
[05:04] <Mo42> hi all
[05:09] <bddebian> Hello Mo42, how's it coming?
[05:10] <Mo42> hi bddebian, quite well, thanks
[05:36] <bddebian> Heya highvoltage
[05:38] <Mo42> yay... another package less in the big unmet dependency list ;)
[05:39] <bddebian> Nice, good work :-)
[05:40] <Mo42> someone should look through the list of debdiffs and upload them... there are many debdiffs on that wikipage that have not been committed yet
[05:40] <bddebian> Mo42: You think? ;-)
[05:42] <Mo42> have your two debdiffs been comitted?
[05:43] <bddebian> Mo42: Not to my knowledge :-)
[05:44] <Mo42> that's what i meant... slomo also has several debdiffs... but he should get upload rights soon...
[05:44] <bddebian> Aye
[05:47] <bddebian> Who knows, maybe they'll be foolish enough to give me upload rights one day ;-)
[05:49] <Mo42> as far as i've heard you are doing a good job for the motu team...
[05:52] <bddebian> Mo42: I don't know who you have been talking to.. ;-P
[05:53] <majic> bddebian: how did you get started with MOTU?
[05:53] <Mo42> bddebian: i am talking to you
[05:54] <bddebian> Mo42: I meant I wouldn't know who would have told you that.. :-)
[05:54] <bddebian> majic: Someone suggested I check them out.  I had long been considering trying to become a DD for Debian
[05:55] <Mo42> bddebian: someone said that in this channel yesterday (or the day before)...
[05:55] <bddebian> They must have been lying :-)
[05:56] <Mo42> according to what i have seen from you (some packages from the unmetdeps list, some packages on revu) that must be true
[05:57] <bddebian> Heh, thanks
[05:58] <Mo42> huh? now even my pbuilder does not want to create a new chroot because of unmet deps?
[05:59] <majic> bddebian: what I meant was, did you just start working on packages and then upload them somewhere? How does one break into Ubuntu development. I've looked at the participate page on the ubuntu website.
[06:01] <bddebian> majic: Luckily someone gave me a package they were working on to upload to REVU.  If you want to help with unmet deps, you need to find somewhere you can dump your debdiffs or any other changes that you think are appropriate for an MOTU to review.
[06:01] <bddebian> Heya ogra
[06:01] <ogra> hmpf
[06:01] <bddebian> hmpf?
[06:02] <ogra> i'm looking at 1024x786 on my 1280x800 display... yes, hmpf....
[06:02] <majic> gotcha, I'm digging into the participate section on the website
[06:02] <bddebian> majic: If you want to package something new, add yourself to launchpad and REVU.  Read about REVU, here:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com//REVU
[06:02] <bddebian> ogra: Ahh
[06:02] <ogra> <-- idiot ... upgraded X
[06:03] <majic> thanks bddebian, I'll bookmark that for now until I sift through all the information on the participate page
[06:03] <Mo42> ogra: i had the same problem when updated x
[06:03] <majic> < bddebian> majic: If you want to package something new, add yourself to
[06:03] <majic>                   launchpad and REVU.  Read about REVU, here:
[06:03] <majic>                   https://wiki.ubuntu.com//REVU
[06:03] <majic> weird
[06:03] <bddebian> ??
[06:03] <majic> sorry, that shouldn't have happened
[06:04] <bddebian> :-)
[06:04] <ogra> Mo42, i have this every time i upgrade... thats why i normally dont upgrade X... :)
[06:04] <Mo42> ogra: then i did dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver and it worked again ;)
[06:04] <majic> I'm ssh'd into my home box and using putty, I didn't know when you select text and right click it pastes it =/
[06:04] <ogra> Mo42, but there was to much depending on the new libs...
[06:04] <Mo42> what's striking me now is that the v4l module seems to be missing...
[06:04] <ogra> Mo42, do you have a nvidia card with xga display ?
[06:04] <Mo42> that means no television ;)
[06:05] <ogra> s/xga/wxga
[06:05] <Mo42> no, ati 7200
[06:05] <ogra> happy you then :)
[06:06] <ogra> doesnt work for me... even grnerating a completely new file with dpkg-reconfigure -f noninteractive doesnt...
[06:06] <bddebian> majic: Yeah, I just learned that not too long ago too.  Pretty nice eh? :-)
[06:06] <Mo42> btw: does someone know where the v4l-module has gone? i want to have my tv back ;)
[06:06] <ogra> so it looks like i'm doomed to a blurry streched screen
[06:08] <majic> bddebian: yeah, considering most ports are blocked where I work. So I get around that by ssh'ing to my home machine to get on IRC.
[06:08] <bddebian> :-)
[06:11] <bddebian> Yeah chillywilly but you're worthless..
[06:24] <bddebian> Hello siretart
[06:24] <siretart> huhu bddebian
[06:24] <Mo42> hi siretart
[06:24] <siretart> hi Mo42
[07:07] <Mo42> can someone help me with some c++ (gcc4) problem?
[07:08] <Mo42> i do not know c++ well enough but i want to fix a package...
[07:08] <Mo42> it says: error: cast from 'RS_Layer*' to 'int' loses precision
[07:10] <Mo42> the line in question is: os << " layer address: " << (int)(e.layer) << " ";
[07:16] <Mo42> okay, i think i have solved it myself...
[07:19] <siretart> Mo42: the problem is, that pointers are on 64 bit platforms like ia64 or amd64 are 64 bit wide. int is only 32bit. so it is very very evil to cast a pointer to int
[07:19] <siretart> Mo42: gcc4 finally prohibits this. this has the side effect, that broken source code won't compile anymore
[07:19] <Mo42> then my solution to cast it into a long is correct?
[07:20] <siretart> Mo42: that depends on the context. if in your example "os" is an standard output stream with operator<< overloaded correctly, I'd say yes
[07:20] <CarlFK> does apt-get build-dep get the dependencies from the repo, or do I need to install them first?
[07:21] <Mo42> okay, thanks
[07:21] <siretart> nm
[07:21] <siretart> CarlFK: apt-get build-dep tries to resolve build dependencies with your current apt configuration (based normally on /etc/apt/sources.list), so, yes
[07:22] <Mo42> siretart: how do i include the patch in my package? i have now just changed the source so that dpkg-buildpackage puts that into its global diff. is that the correct way?
[07:22] <CarlFK> siretart - yes to "get the dependencies" right?
[07:22] <siretart> Mo42: a way more easy approach is using dpatch. that way, updating to new upstream and reviewing work (hint, hint) is way more easy
[07:23] <Mo42> so i should change my package?
[07:23] <siretart> CarlFK: yes
[07:23] <majic> I've seen the term used a million times and I'm still trying to figure out what it means. What does the term "upstream" mean. (god, another n00b question) =)
[07:24] <siretart> Mo42: I don't know excactly what your package looks like, but generally, using dpatch is preferred. some reviewers even require that for sponsoring
[07:24] <jamessan|work> majic: the original author(s)
[07:24] <Mo42> majic: in this case, upstream means the authors of the software...
[07:24] <Mo42> i am working on the qcad package, so upstream means the qcad-authors
[07:25] <siretart> majic: Mo42's right. sometimes we also refer to debian, as they are also "upstream" in some way
[07:25] <jamessan|work> we're downstream from them in the process of getting the software to the users of Ubuntu.
[07:25] <majic> ah
[07:25] <majic> now that makes sense
[07:25] <Mo42> siretart: i know, i was just typing that as well, but you were faster ;)
[07:25] <siretart> hehe
[07:25] <Mo42> okay, so i will look at some dpatch tutorial ;)
[07:27] <tseng> you can try mine
[07:28] <jamessan|work> dpatch-edit-patch is your friend  :)
[07:28] <tseng> http://tseng.ath.cx/log/?p=7
[07:28] <siretart> dpatch-edit-patch makes even  an "autoreconf" or a relibtoolizing very convinient to manage
[07:29] <tseng> yes.
[07:29] <tseng> its brilliant
[07:29] <Mo42> i am reading your tutorial atm... great tut, thanks for that ;)
[07:30] <tseng> glad to help
[07:33] <majic> tseng: your little tutorial closes at least one more gapping hole in my understanding of debian packaging =) I really appreciate it.
[07:34] <tseng> great
[07:35] <Mo42> hmm... does not work.. dpatch-edit-patch quits with: make: no rule to make "unpatch". quits. (or something like that, i have translated the german message)
[07:36] <CarlFK> http://paste.foxshare.net:8888/33
[07:36] <tseng> yeah you need that rule
[07:36] <tseng> patch and unpatch
[07:37] <Mo42> ah... i have forgotten to put the include-dpatch-voodoo in my debian/rules.. is that the reason?
[07:38] <tseng> part of it
[07:38] <bddebian> Yeah, why isn't dpatch for dummies on wiki.ubuntu.com?? :-)
[07:38] <tseng> it is
[07:38] <bddebian> Oh
[07:38] <tseng> in a different version
[07:38] <tseng> hm but where
[07:38] <tseng> oh
[07:39] <tseng> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingTips?highlight=%28dpatch%29
[07:39] <bddebian> Ahh
[07:39] <Mo42> yay works now
[07:39] <Seveas> siretart, breezy-changes@ rss feed is created ;)
[07:40] <Seveas> thanks for the suggestion
[07:40] <siretart> Seveas: woah, great!
[07:40] <siretart> Seveas: where can I subscribe? ;)
[07:40] <Seveas> http://ubuntulinux.nl/files/breezy.xml
[07:41] <siretart> excellent
[07:41] <Seveas> still pretty ugly (changelog wrapped in <pre>) prettifying is next :)
[07:41] <siretart> is there any way to get that into firefox? (i'm quite a noob, you know)
[07:41] <Seveas> with sage (an extension)
[07:41] <siretart> hm
[07:42] <siretart> firefox has an built in rss reader, I'm using that for some newstickers..
[07:42] <tseng> blam.
[07:42] <Seveas> hmm, right, FF has that built in now :)
[07:42] <siretart> the call it "dynamic bookmark".. hm
[07:42] <Seveas> tseng, I would expect that from you as mono guy :)
[07:43] <tseng> yep
[07:43] <siretart> ok, I'll put  that on my list
[07:43] <siretart> (managed by tomboy *g*)
[07:43] <Seveas> :)
[07:44] <bddebian> Anyone know why dput to my local repo puts a package to incoming instead of breezy?
[07:45] <tseng> breezy isnt a directory
[07:45] <tseng> on the real servers
[07:45] <tseng> everything goes to incoming/
[07:45] <bddebian> Hmm
[07:46] <tseng> and is processed from there
[07:47] <siretart> bddebian: the distribution is parsed from the changes file. debian uses this feature to distinguish uploads to experimental or unstable for example.
[07:49] <Mo42> yay, one more question:
[07:49] <Mo42> after changing so much, i think i should make a new ...ubuntux revision...
[07:50] <Mo42> the version is now 2.0.4.0-1-2build2.. to what should i change that?
[07:50] <Mo42> 2.0.4.0-1-2ubuntu1?
[07:51] <siretart> Mo42: if you work on a package, you have to make sure, the string ubuntu is included in the version string
[07:51] <Mo42> then 2.0.4.0-1-2ubuntu1 is the right decision?
[07:51] <siretart> Mo42: otherwise your changes would be automatically overwritten by autosync
[07:51] <siretart> Mo42: jes
[07:51] <siretart> yes. even
[07:52] <siretart> Mo42: is that an already existing package or is it NEW? the version number looks very akward
[07:53] <Mo42> it's the breezy qcad package i am working on
[07:53] <siretart> ok
[07:58] <Mo42> okay, i think that i am ready now, but could someone review that?
[08:08] <CarlFK>  apt-get build-dep...." E: Build-dependencies for transcode could not be satisfied." http://paste.foxshare.net:8888/33
[08:09] <CarlFK> where do I go now?
[08:10] <Mo42> CarlFK: iirc is there no transcode in ubuntu atm...
[08:10] <CarlFK> right - I am trying to make it
[08:10] <Mo42> oh sorry..
[08:11] <CarlFK> no prob
[08:11] <Mo42> i misunderstood you
[08:12] <Mo42> grr... if my galeon would stop crashing all the time i would look at your page :(
[08:12] <Mo42> ahh... well, mozilla seems to be more stable on breezy...
[08:12] <bddebian> CarlFK: Try to do a dpkg-buildpackage or debuild and see which packages aren't being met and install manually install you find the failed one :-)
[08:13] <CarlFK> " see which packages aren't being met" isn't that what "libavifile-0.7-dev has broken dep on libavifile-0.7
[08:13] <Mo42> seems that libavifile needs some love, too ;)
[08:13] <CarlFK> tells me?
[08:14] <Mo42> my hint: try to fix libavifile, then continue with transcode..
[08:14] <bddebian> CarlFK: Make sure you have universe and multiverse repo's too. Sometimes packages can pop-up in unexpected places ;-)
[08:16] <CarlFK> I even have  ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat
[08:17] <Mo42> the marillat packages are not very stable on ubuntu...
[08:19] <Mo42> do you plan to work on libavifile?
[08:19] <bddebian> libavifile-0.7c102 1:0.7.42.20050215-1
[08:20] <bddebian>  apt-cache dump |grep libavifile is your friend ;-)
[08:20] <Mo42> well, i think that libavifile-0.7 is newer?
[08:20] <Mo42> and it replaces libavifile-0.7c102...
[08:20] <bddebian> No anything with c2 on the end should be a cxx transition
[08:21] <bddebian> Hmm, lemme look
[08:21] <Mo42> well, libavifile-0.7 is version 1:0.7.43.20050224-1ubuntu4
[08:21] <Mo42> Replaces: libavifile0.7, libavifile0.7c102, libavifile-0.7c102
[08:21] <CarlFK> I was hoping to get "something" to work, then I could work on improving it
[08:21] <bddebian> Mo42: You are right.  That's funny though because the date string is newer.. Sheesh
[08:22] <bddebian> Damn, no it isn't.  I cannot read
[08:23] <ogra> bddebian, so your X is broken too ?
[08:23] <ogra> :)
[08:24] <bddebian> ogra: No, I just SUCK.. :'-(
[08:25] <ogra> i whish we could change... being a sucker is better then having to read blurry fonts and get a headache
[08:26] <bddebian> No, not sucker, I suck.. Meaning I'm useless. :-(
[08:26] <bddebian> :-)
[08:26] <ogra> :)
[08:26] <CarlFK> so did anyone have something for me to try, or do I post this somewhere
[08:27] <bddebian> CarlFK: What does libavifile-0.7-dev depend on that's missing?
[08:27] <CarlFK> um, how do I tell?
[08:27] <bddebian> CarlFK: apt-get install libafile...  ?
[08:30] <CarlFK> "libavifile-0.7-dev: Depends: libavifile-0.7 (= 1:0.7.43.20050224-1ubuntu4)"
[08:31] <CarlFK> what is the = 1:0.7.... ?
[08:31] <CarlFK> here is the whole thing: http://paste.foxshare.net:8888/34
[08:31] <bddebian> Version dependency I think but don't quote me
[08:33] <Amaranth> isn't that an epoch thingy?
[08:33] <CarlFK> who is epoch? ;)
[08:33] <bddebian> CarlFK: What do you get if you apt-get install libavifile-0.7 ?
[08:33] <CarlFK> this: http://paste.foxshare.net:8888/34
[08:34] <Mo42> i think that problem is because of the "Conflicts: libavifile-0.7c102 (<= 1:0.7.42.20050215-1), libavifile-0.7" in libavifile-0.7-dev
[08:34] <bddebian> CarlFK: No, not the -dev, just libavifile-0.7 ?
[08:35] <bddebian> Mo42: Right now I am just guessing that -dev just needs a rebuild
[08:35] <CarlFK> bddebian - middle: root@cp600:~ # apt-get install libavifile-0.7
[08:35] <bddebian> CarlFK: Heh, whoops, sorry.  So it installed?
[08:35] <CarlFK> what is "needs a rebuild" ?
[08:35] <bddebian> CarlFK: Just a "repackage"
[08:35] <CarlFK> it is now - no help
[08:36] <Mo42> who wants to do that? CarlFK? if not, i could look at that in a few hours or tomorrow or so...
[08:36] <bddebian> dpkg-buildpacke or debuild
[08:36] <bddebian> We really need some clueful people around here. ;-)
[08:36] <CarlFK> indeed! ;)
[08:37] <Mo42> btw: what happens to all the debdiffs on UniverseUnmetDeps?
[08:38] <bddebian> Mo42: They should get reviewed by an MOTU and uploaded
[08:40] <Mo42> if i finally get my qcat package right some time ;)
[08:40] <CarlFK> apt-get build-dep libavifile-0.7 = http://paste.foxshare.net:8888/35
[08:40] <CarlFK> do I want to do that?
[08:40] <CarlFK> or should I do this on a "scratch box" that I can rebuild tonight
[08:41] <CarlFK> I can answer that: yes ;)
[08:41] <bddebian> CarlFK: You got no choice if you want to build it :-)
[08:50] <comadreja> hello my friends
[08:52] <comadreja> seems like everybody is on holidays :)
[08:54] <siretart> or very busy :(
[08:54] <siretart> hi comadreja
[08:54] <comadreja> hello siretart, nice to see you
[08:55] <comadreja> I've seen your uploads
[08:55] <comadreja> you are indeed busy :)
[08:55] <siretart> sorry, I'm busy with my thesis
[08:55] <comadreja> oops
[08:55] <siretart> I'm overdue..
[08:55] <comadreja> good luck then
[08:56] <siretart> thanks
[08:57] <herve> hello
[08:58] <bddebian> Heya herve
[08:58] <bddebian> Hello comadreja
[08:58] <bddebian> comadreja: Hey, what do you mean everyone is on holiday??? :-)
[08:58] <herve> I knew it if I was on holidays...
[09:00] <Mo42> if somebody knows how to work with dpatch: what am i doing wrong?
[09:01] <Mo42> my patch does not get applied...
[09:01] <Mo42> my patch is in debian/patches/01gcc4.dpatch...
[09:01] <bddebian> Mo42: What package?
[09:01] <herve> is it listed in debian/patches/00list ?
[09:01] <Mo42> the build target depends on patch
[09:01] <Mo42> oh...
[09:02] <herve> have you added the targets in your rules file?
[09:02] <bddebian> herve: Ahh, you beat me to it :-)
[09:02] <Mo42> that's what i forgot ;) thanks ;)
[09:02] <herve> bddebian, extracted from my personal FAQ ;-)
[09:02] <bddebian> heh
[09:02] <Mo42> bddebian: still working on qcad, since my first debdiff does not work (i thought it would :( )
[09:04] <bddebian> Ahh
[09:04] <bddebian> wb ogra
[09:05] <Mo42> the sad thing is that my problems are all mentioned in tseng's tutorial... seems that i am reading too fast :(
[09:05] <ogra> X !
[09:05] <siretart> hi ogra.
[09:05] <siretart> what is with X?
[09:06] <ogra> it was broken lie hell here...
[09:06] <ogra> like even
[09:06] <bddebian> was?  So you fixed it?
[09:06] <herve> mine gave a blank screen but rebooting with kernel 2.6.12-5 fixed it
[09:07] <ogra> bddebian, yesss
[09:07] <comadreja> mine doesn't let me switch to console
[09:07] <Mo42> and i am still missing the v4l module for x :(
[09:07] <herve> comadreja, i810 chipset?
[09:07] <comadreja> yep
[09:08] <herve> it's a bug in the driver initialization
[09:08] <herve> it won't restore text mode
[09:08] <herve> but it's fixed upstream
[09:08] <herve> the console still works though
[09:08] <comadreja> herve : cool, at least is only a matter of time
[09:08] <ogra> the prob with my hardware is that either X is to dumb or the flatpanel doesnt give the data correctly... so i end up with a resolution of 1024x786 on a 1280x800 screen... the fonts kill your eyes after 10min
[09:09] <comadreja> ogra, do you have the sync lines ? if so try removing them
[09:09] <ogra> it works now...
[09:09] <ogra> i took the config from a liveCD
[09:10] <ogra> (with a fixed modeline that works)
[09:10] <comadreja> cool :)
[09:18] <\sh> evening
[09:18] <herve> yo
[09:19] <bddebian> \sh!
[09:19] <bddebian> CarlFK: \sh is DA MAN if you have more questions ;-)
[09:20] <comadreja> hello \sh :D
[09:20] <comadreja> I've been busy lately too
[09:21] <\sh> I'm just burned out..that's all trying to fuel up again :)
[09:21] <comadreja> I've been programming in python like 18 hours a day
[09:21] <comadreja> I need to refuel too
[09:21] <herve> nice, comadreja!
[09:21] <comadreja> python is soooo great
[09:22] <\sh> yes it is..
[09:24] <Mo42> btw: did someone tried to compile qt things in pbuilder lately?
[09:25] <\sh> aehm....kdenetwork yes
[09:25] <\sh> Mo42: what's up with it?
[09:25] <Mo42> i have the problem that it does always say "Session management error: Could not open network socket"
[09:26] <\sh> oh...uic?
[09:26] <Mo42> and before that it waits a second or so... without using cpu oder disk or whatever... that makes compiling damn slow
[09:26] <\sh> that's normal...forget about it
[09:26] <Mo42> yes... uic
[09:26] <\sh> i think uic tries to open a socket to the x server
[09:27] <Mo42> how can i avoid that?
[09:27] <\sh> u can't
[09:27] <\sh> pbuilder doesn't have the possibility to access your X server at ll
[09:27] <\sh> +a
[09:28] <Mo42> but can i speed that up somehow?
[09:29] <\sh> hmm....faster CPU? ;)
[09:29] <\sh> no I don't think u can speed it up
[09:29] <\sh> or you find a solution to let pbuilder access your x server
[09:30] <Mo42> well, my average cpu is at 20-30% while compiling...
[09:31] <\sh> Mo42: c++ was always slower then C compiling
[09:31] <Mo42> yea, i know... but uic always waits _without_ using my cpu
[09:32] <Mo42> it just waits for a network connection...
[09:32] <\sh> Mo42: yes...and that's a disadvantage of uic
[09:34] <Mo42> YEAH... my qcad package finally works.... with all dependencies and everything ;)))
[09:35] <bddebian> Mo42: Awesome, good job
[09:36] <Mo42> could someone please review http://ubuntu.mobr.de/sources/debdiffs/qcad_2.0.4.0-1-2ubuntu1.debdiff ?
[09:38] <\sh> Mo42: please adjust xlibs-dev build-dep....apt-cache show xlibs-dev and there is the description
[09:39] <Mo42> hehe... that was nothing that i have changed.... but i will do that...
[09:40] <\sh> Mo42: and for what do u need cdbs?
[09:40] <Mo42> oups
[09:40] <Mo42> okay, that's my fault ;)
[09:41] <bddebian> Mo42: See, told you all that \sh was DA MAN :-)
[09:41] <Mo42> how do i know which -dev packages i need to depend on? instead of xlibs-dev?
[09:42] <Mo42> bddebian: now i know why ;)
[09:43] <Mo42> \sh: doesn't libqt3-dev depend on anything i need?
[09:43] <ogra> Mo42, check it ;)
[09:44] <ogra> Mo42, apt-cache depends libqt3-dev
[09:44] <Mo42> hehe... i will try if it compiles in pbuilder without the xlibs-dev dependency...
[09:44] <\sh> why not libqt3-mt-dev?
[09:45] <Mo42> \sh: thats what i meant
[09:45] <bddebian> I don't think you have a choice do you?
[09:45] <\sh> Mo42: no...u should adjust the xlibs-dev dep
[09:45] <bddebian> Oh.. Heh
[09:45] <\sh> it means replace it with the mentioned one in the description of xlibs-dev
[09:46] <Mo42> well, it mentions 12 different -dev packages..
[09:46] <Mo42> which do i need? and which one is not needed? who can i find it out?
[09:47] <Mo42> i guess it is either libx11-dev or x-dev....
[09:48] <\sh> ok...dinner time :)
[09:49] <Mo42> okay... anyone else who knows which xlib-dev packages qcad should build-depend on?
[09:49] <\sh> try libx11-dev first
[09:50] <Mo42> thanks!
[10:02] <Mo42> btw: is there an amd64 user with breezy here?
[10:26] <siretart> re
[10:27] <herve> hi siretart
[10:27] <Mo42> wb siretart
[10:27] <\sh> siretart: meeting
[10:28] <siretart> \sh: woah, thanks. motu-meeting, I assume, is it?
[10:28] <\sh> no..CC
[10:28] <\sh> motu is tomorrow 22:00 UTC
[10:28] <siretart> aah, ok, thanks again
[10:29] <Mo42> \sh: fixed all your issues. do you think it's okay now? (http://ubuntu.mobr.de/sources/debdiffs/qcad_2.0.4.0-1-2ubuntu1.debdiff)
[10:29] <\sh> Mo42: after the meeting thx :)
[10:29] <Mo42> okay.. sure..
[10:32] <Mo42> CarlFK: do you still work on libavifile?
[10:44] <infinito> hi everyone
[10:45] <infinito> \sh: are u here?
[10:45] <\sh> meeting
[10:45] <infinito> \sh: sorry...
[10:46] <\sh> infinito: please join #ubuntu-meeting to know how membership applications are working :)
[10:47] <\sh> listen :)
[10:47] <\sh> read :)
[10:47] <infinito> \sh: ok ;)
[10:47] <\sh> and no technical questions :) it's a nono ;)
[10:48] <infinito> \sh: i'll keep shut up ;)
[10:51] <bddebian> There is a meeting again tomorrow??  Yikes
[10:51] <\sh> bddebian: motu meeting tomorrow..please attend...
[10:52] <bddebian> \sh: Why, I am not ready. :-)
[10:52] <\sh> bddebian: it's motu meeting...not TB
[10:52] <bddebian> Ohhh
[10:52] <\sh> bddebian: and u belong to the motu
[10:52] <bddebian> Well in that case I'm not an MOTU.. ;-P
[10:52] <crimsun> tech board's not til the 9th, bddebian
[10:53] <bddebian> Thx crimsun
[10:53] <\sh> bddebian: come on..the title is not important
[10:53] <bddebian> \sh: I know, I'm joking with you.
[10:53] <\sh> the upload rights are not important
[10:53] <\sh> bddebian: ok...:)
[10:53] <crimsun> the work speaks for itself
[10:54] <\sh> crimsun: correct
[10:54] <bddebian> Well then I'm definetly in trouble. ;-)
[10:54] <\sh> bddebian: since u joined, u r in trouble ;)
[10:54] <bddebian> Aye, hehe
[10:56] <infinito> hey... gcfilms was updated today on debian sid, maybe u people can take a look at it....
[10:56] <bddebian> Aren't we in UVF?
[10:57] <siretart> yes, but we also accept new version for important fixees
[10:57] <bddebian> Ah, OK
[10:57] <dholbach> hi
[10:57] <bddebian> Welcom dholbach
[10:57] <siretart> huhu dholbach
[10:57] <dholbach> hellas bddebian
[10:57] <bddebian> Err welcome even
[10:57] <\sh> siretart: new packages
[10:58] <Mo42> btw: is the motu meeting something for me too or is it for people who are more involved in the motu project?
[10:58] <crimsun> hey dholbach
[10:58] <Mo42> hi dholbach
[10:58] <\sh> Mo42: yes
[10:58] <siretart> \sh: I don't really see problems with new packages in universe. since they are leaf nodes of the dependency, they wouldn't destabilize universe
[10:58] <dholbach> Mo42: it's interesting for everybody and if you have suggestions, we'll hear you out
[10:59] <dholbach> hi daniel
[10:59] <\sh> siretart: so lets sync with debian for gcfilms
[10:59] <Mo42> okay, thanks ;) then i will be there too...
[11:00] <infinito> siretart: i agree with \sh ;)
[11:00] <siretart> okay, so somebody set it on MOTUToSync
[11:00] <\sh> infinito: do it yourself, put a "++ from StephanHermann" to it
[11:01] <infinito> \sh: on MOTUToSync i supposse....
[11:01] <bddebian> Sheesh, this place is starting to feel like my RL job.  Meetings, meetings, meetings.. ;-P
[11:01] <\sh> infinito: yes
[11:01] <dholbach> :)
[11:02] <\sh> bddebian: community work is hard stuff...believe me :)
[11:02] <bddebian> :-)
[11:02] <dholbach> it's charming and no work at all :)
[11:03] <dholbach> :-)
[11:03] <dholbach> should we add common discussions and packaging practices to the motu meeting as well?
[11:03] <bddebian> Sure
[11:04] <dholbach> on REVU there are some things people take for granted, which imho are not
[11:04] <dholbach> although this will be more like flaming
[11:04] <bddebian> Why?
[11:04] <dholbach> because there are so many different opinions, and all of them hold a bit of truth :)
[11:05] <infinito> \sh: done, thanks!
[11:05] <dholbach> and i'm not sure, if we should have a motu packaging policy
[11:05] <dholbach> better not :)
[11:06] <bddebian> dholbach: I think we should at least have guidelines.  Not that my opinions mean much :-)
[11:06] <\sh> dholbach: sure
[11:06] <dholbach> \sh: sure what? :)
[11:06] <dholbach> \sh: MORE RULES? :)
[11:06] <siretart> ah, just don't forget your asbestos, so flames are not an issue anymore ;)
[11:06] <bddebian> heh
[11:07] <\sh> dholbach: hehe...actually even the quality of debian is getting worse :(
[11:07] <\sh> dholbach: so we should have some quality standards
[11:07] <dholbach> we do and our package reviews are quite anal sometimes - which is ok with me
[11:07] <\sh> ah adomanski welcome :)
[11:07] <majic> is there a place to see what's pending inclusion into backports? I heard the ruby package was backported, I don't see it yet in the repo.
[11:07] <\sh> dholbach: even for syncs ;)
[11:07] <dholbach> but sometimes, the "rules" are a bit strange
[11:07] <adomanski> hi guys
[11:08] <dholbach> hi adomanski :)
[11:08] <dholbach> nice to have you here
[11:08] <bddebian> Hello adomanski
[11:10] <\sh> dholbach: well..we should document our work better...and when I see some cdbs stuff...terrible ;)
[11:11] <dholbach> added my thought to MOTUMeeting
[11:14] <jbailey> \sh: cdbs is good for you. =)
[11:15] <\sh> jbailey: I'm doing debhelper+cdbs+plain makefiles all together *lol*
[11:21] <herve> night all
[11:21] <herve> hey dholbach!
[11:21] <dholbach> hey herve!
[11:21] <dholbach> ARG
[11:21] <bddebian> Bye herve... :(
[11:21] <dholbach> that herve
[11:21] <dholbach> just too fast
[11:23] <bddebian> Well I suppose I better head home also
[11:25] <Mo42> how can i use universe packages in pbuilder? it always sets my sources.list to main only...
[11:25] <dholbach> Mo42: did you explicitly follow PbuilderHowto on the wiki?
[11:25] <bddebian> Mo42: Update your pbuilder sources.list
[11:26] <dholbach> Mo42: and sudo pbuilder create breezy afterwards (or update)
[11:26] <bddebian> Aye
[11:29] <Mo42> oh, i have not set my APTCONFDIR...
[11:29] <dholbach> ahh alright :)
[11:29] <Mo42> dholbach: thanks for the hint to the wiki page ;)
[11:29] <dholbach> de rien
[11:29] <bddebian> Bah, daniels hates me too
[11:30] <dholbach> oh noooooooooooooo
[11:30] <dholbach> bddebian: i don't think so
[11:30] <dholbach> who hates you?
[11:30] <bddebian> dholbach: tseng, daniels, infinity, possibly seth_k.. ;-P
[11:30] <dholbach> bddebian: you're seeing things
[11:30] <dholbach> honestly :)
[11:31] <dholbach> said that, i DON'T hate you :)
[11:31] <bddebian> Well I am pretty annoying :-)
[11:31] <ogra> dholbach, pretender
[11:31] <dholbach> you're not, we're having people which are annoying
[11:31] <dholbach> ogra: man, what's wrong with you? :)
[11:31] <ogra> *g*
[11:32] <bddebian> Heh.  Alright gents, catch you in a few.
[11:32] <bddebian> Heh, thx
[11:41] <\sh> ok..I'm off to bed...
[11:41] <\sh> night guys
[11:42] <Mo42> \sh: did you look at my qcad changes?
[11:42] <siretart> gn8 foks
[11:42] <dholbach> bye siretart
[11:42] <dholbach> bye \sh_away
[11:42] <siretart> by dholbach
[11:42] <Mo42> gn8 \sh and siretart
[11:50] <ajmitch> morning
[11:50] <dholbach> andrew!
[11:51] <ajmitch> daniel!
[11:58] <sistpoty> hi all
[11:58] <ajmitch> hi
[11:58] <majic> hello sistpoty
[11:58] <dholbach> hey stefan
[12:00] <sistpoty> is CC meeting now?
[12:00] <dholbach> it's over :(
[12:01] <sistpoty> damn, got my calender wrong *g*
[12:01] <dholbach> but if you wait 24h you're JUST IN TIME for the motu meeting ;)(
[12:01] <sistpoty> ah... at least this calendar entry is correct :)
[12:01] <dholbach> sistpoty: i import the .ics file from wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar
[12:02] <sistpoty> ah... that's nice :)
[12:07] <dholbach> robitaille rocks :)