[12:00] <Trunks> i have no idea what im doing lol
[12:00] <Trunks> i stuck in the 98 boot disk
[12:00] <vader1102> Seveas: heheh I am getting better lol
[12:01] <vader1102> then when it boots, go to the E drive and look in there to see if there is a way to do it
[12:01] <ubuntu> Seveas: would static be better if you didn't want the programe being install to interfear with an expermental system
[12:01] <sorush21> hi
[12:01] <ubuntu> like it would be more self contained
[12:01] <Trunks> i also have a hdd with ubuntu installed on it but it wont load to my other comp
[12:01] <Seveas> ubuntu, makes little difference
[12:01] <DPadclear> I'm getting an error with dpkg "dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `fuse' in statusoverride file" Does anyone know how to fix or where to begin?
[12:02] <Seveas> it won't change the libraries
[12:02] <skalpel> is there a way i can make nicotine remember it's window size and position when i close and restart it, does anyone know?
[12:02] <Seveas> DPadclear, what are you trying to install?
[12:02] <vader1102> Trunks: don't know what to tell you there buddy
[12:02] <Cin> what's the equivilent to Xclients (redhat) to ubuntu?
[12:03] <sorush21> I need for something like this to happen everytime I send a file to printed... this is because my printer is crap and can't do it everytime.. this is what happens in windows, everytime I print something some command like this occures... can anyone help me automate this in Ubuntu too... here is the command.. cat sihp1000.img > /dev/usb/lp0
[12:03] <DPadclear> Seveas, monopod (a checkinstall deb of the tarball)
[12:03] <Geist|Patrick> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/881 still there
[12:03] <Seveas> cin, what does Xclients do?
[12:03] <Geist|Patrick> :(
[12:03] <Seveas> DPadclear, hmm, I suggest simply installing into /usr/local since checkinstall may have failed you here...
[12:04] <D1> are there any ubuntu tools for gamma correction?
[12:04] <Cin> it's the config file thing that x uses when it starts
[12:04] <topyli> DPadclear: did you build this package on this system or did you get it from someone else?
[12:04] <Cin> so i can config it to use windowmaker :$] 
[12:04] <DPadclear> topyli, I built the package.
[12:04] <linukso> sorush21: is that an image you are trying to print? cat'ing it would just dump the raw binary data to the printer, which would lead to .... crap
[12:04] <chris_> hey guys, I broke my gnome-panel (the top one), I accidentally deleted the "applications", "system tools" etc thing, and how do not know I add it again - any ideas? :\
[12:04] <Seveas> Cin, ah that, you simply need to create a .desktop file for iy
[12:04] <Seveas> it*
[12:05] <tiglionabbit> mah printer doesn't work
[12:05] <Seveas> D1, there is at least one for ati cards
[12:05] <DPadclear> Seveas, I don't think checkinstall failed. I a previous program install (fuse-utils) junked up dpkg.
[12:05] <tiglionabbit> it wont print any text.  It prints images just fine, but pretends all the text was never there
[12:05] <Cin> Seveas, do you have a tut or something for ubuntu of how to do this?
[12:05] <Cin> all i can find is redhat
[12:05] <topyli> DPadclear: on the same system? then you might want to file a checkinstall bug (not in ubuntu bugzilla though)
[12:05] <Geist|Patrick> gn8
[12:05] <Nevado> chris_, right click on the panel and select 'add', then choose the 'main menu' or 'menu bar' can't remember which
[12:05] <Seveas> Cin, sorry, no
[12:05] <linukso> Cin: If you install wmaker you should be able to select it from the session menu in gdm
[12:06] <Seveas> DPadclear, then purge that program and reinstall it
[12:06] <Seveas> linukso, ghe, that makes it even easier :)
[12:06] <DPadclear> topyli, no-no I was getting the same error when trying to do an apt-get upgrade.
[12:06] <Cin> linukso, session menu?
[12:06] <Seveas> Cin, yes
[12:06] <linukso> '
[12:06] <chris_> oh dear, thanks, I just saw the first one, clicked it, and didn't think there could be another one.. :)
[12:06] <sun_> how do i watch wmv on ubuntu?
[12:06] <Cin> *windows user* please explain brief?
[12:06] <linukso> Cin: assuming you are using gdm, and not startx from console...
[12:07] <Cin> aye..
[12:07] <DPadclear> Seveas, I did remove the program. I think it left something in either dpkg or apts setup files (Hence, an unknown group named "fuse")
[12:07] <topyli> DPadclear: try purge as suggested
[12:07] <Cin> gdm the thing that automatically starts it when i boot ubuntu?
[12:07] <Seveas> DPadclear, you should purge it
[12:07] <sun_> how do i watch wmv on ubuntu?
[12:07] <linukso> Cin: yes :)
[12:07] <Seveas> dpkg -p fuse-utils or aptitude purge fuse-utils
[12:07] <Seveas> sun_: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[12:07] <linukso> Cin: right underneath where you type in you login name
[12:07] <Cin> how do i config gdm?
[12:07] <Cin> mhm
[12:08] <Cin> ahh
[12:08] <Cin> i'll have a see then!
[12:09] <DPadclear> Seveas and topyli: Thanks (sudo dpkg --purge fuse-utils && sudo dpkg -i monopod_0.4-1_i386.deb).
[12:09] <sorush21> linukso, yes.. its what I've been told here http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-LaserJet_1000 and I have no reall choice.. it works.. and it prints but the problem is that there is no other form of communication it seemes between the printer and the computer... for example when the printer has finished the job the computer does not know to remove the printer job away form the printing quee. it just sits the
[12:09] <guillaume__> does someone have an ipod 20 Gb  ?
[12:09] <topyli> DPadclear: works? good
[12:09] <guillaume__> the ipod doesnt appear in /dev ....
[12:09] <mebaran151_> do you guys thing 15 GB is enough for root
[12:10] <Seveas> mebaran151_, it is
[12:10] <dArtagnan> depends on what you want to do with it, but generally it is
[12:10] <linukso> sorush21: sorry, don't think I can help you...
[12:10] <mebaran151_> I am going to run a couple servers off it
[12:10] <Echelon-H> why is there no php5 for ubuntu?
[12:10] <mebaran151_> Echelon-H: because php is crap ;p
[12:10] <Echelon-H> mebaran151_, i hope you're not being serious.
[12:10] <mebaran151_> jk
[12:11] <mebaran151_> Echelon-H: jk, though I dont like it myself
[12:11] <topyli> mebaran151_: my _big_ installation is about 3.9G
[12:11] <Echelon-H> mebaran151_, whatever.
[12:11] <topyli> mebaran151_: the system
[12:11] <Echelon-H> anyways, you got a clue?
[12:11] <Seveas> Echelon-H, there is
[12:11] <mebaran151_> Echelon-H: I just like to do things OOP style
[12:11] <mebaran151_> and php makes that difficult
[12:11] <Seveas> mebaran151_, php5 has much better OOP :)
[12:11] <mebaran151_> some of the syntax is inelegant
[12:11] <Echelon-H> mebaran151_, php5 = oop
[12:11] <mebaran151_> Seveas: oh really?
[12:11] <saintFrance> wats a good media player that plays everything for ubuntu??
[12:11] <Seveas> Echelon-H, breezy has php5
[12:12] <Nomad_1> Does anyone here have any experience with WINE and 3dsmax5, 6, or 7
[12:12] <mebaran151_> I might look into it then
[12:12] <linukso> saintFrance: totem
[12:12] <Cin> heyy
[12:12] <Echelon-H> Seveas, arrg... I can't wait till ovtober.
[12:12] <Cin> sored!!
[12:12] <Echelon-H> *october.
[12:12] <Seveas> for hoary: look at people.debian.org/~dexter
[12:12] <Seveas> Echelon-H, ^---
[12:12] <Cin> :p
[12:12] <mebaran151_> Nomad_1: I think Maya and 3dsMax make a Linux native version
[12:12] <linukso> saintFrance: just make shure you get gstreamer-ffmpeg from universe or multiverse
[12:12] <topyli> mebaran151_: a server should fit in well under 2G. the data goes on other partitions
[12:12] <Echelon-H> Seveas, k
[12:12] <Cin> maya definatley have a linux version
[12:12] <mebaran151_> topyli: well I dont usually split var off
[12:12] <Nomad_1> mebran151: But I don't have the money to buy another copy of it.
[12:12] <mebaran151_> though I really should
[12:12] <prodigy> how do I install Gartoon for Ubuntu?
[12:13] <mebaran151_> Nomad_1: I remember 3dsMax being willing to trade
[12:13] <mebaran151_> this was awhile back
[12:13] <topyli> mebaran151_: however you best like it :)
[12:13] <linukso> Cin: do you really enjoy the wmaker interface?
[12:13] <renatohe> Hi. I am new to ubuntu. I must be blind because I cannot find in the system an application for reading and recording CD/DVDs. I have a superdrive on a power-pc platform.
[12:13] <mebaran151_> topyli: what would be really nice
[12:13] <mebaran151_> would be if I could use LVM
[12:13] <Nevado> prodigy, sudo apt-get install gnome-icon-theme-gartoon
[12:13] <Echelon-H> Seveas, there are all sorts of versions. anyways, is it worth installing it anyway? I mean, don't i need to reconfigure manually some stuff?
[12:13] <prodigy> thanks
[12:13] <Cin> aye, i prefer it to gnome style
[12:14] <mebaran151_> if you symlink from var/www to a different partition
[12:14] <Madpilot> renatohe: Nautilus - the default file manager - will burn most things
[12:14] <mebaran151_> can you do that
[12:14] <topyli> mebaran151_: yes
[12:14] <mebaran151_> I would think a chroot might get in the way
[12:14] <renatohe> Thanks, Madpilot
[12:14] <linukso> Cin: half you screen estate wasted on gigant icons, and uber-cheezy window borders...
[12:14] <Madpilot> renatohe: and anything Nautilus can't burn, you can install Gnomebaker or K3B for
[12:14] <linukso> Cin: Are you using any of the gnustep apps to?
[12:14] <mebaran151_> like I have a big partition for assorted media I could put a www folder too
[12:14] <mebaran151_> to
[12:15] <mebaran151_> I could do a bind mount too!
[12:15] <equex> lol ATI's site crashes my firefox
[12:15] <Cin> lol, my borders look small, i like the icons displaying cpu speed etc, looks orderly
[12:15] <mebaran151_> is LVM supposed to constantly crash during install
[12:15] <Nomad_1> mebran151: The windows version of 3dsmax is my backup incase it doesn't work out trying to move my modeling over to Linux. I wouldn't feel comfortable giving it up.
[12:15] <jmanns> can someone please help me recover my gnome desktop?
[12:15] <mebaran151_> Nomad_1: I think they go either way
[12:15] <mebaran151_> if you pay postage
[12:16] <mebaran151_> like you can send your Linux disk in for a Windows disk
[12:16] <mebaran151_> or a Windows disk in for a Linux disk
[12:16] <ubuntu> Seveas: ah i see why the give you the static deb
[12:16] <mebaran151_> kind of like what MakeMusic did for PC and Mac
[12:16] <guney_> hi there
[12:16] <guney_> i am newbie ubuntu
[12:16] <Seveas> guney_, welcome aboard!
[12:16] <ubuntu> Seveas:  so you don't have any dependency problem
[12:16] <mebaran151_> Nomad_1: huh?
[12:16] <Nomad_1> That solution seems worse than trying to run 3dsmax under a windows emulator.
[12:16] <guney_> using hoary 5.04
[12:16] <topyli> guney_: welcome, o freedom lover!
[12:17] <mebaran151_> Nomad_1: a windows emulator is going to lose you performance
[12:17] <ubuntu> Seveas: all good  sudo apt-get install -f ;)
[12:17] <Cin> lol
[12:17] <ubuntu> :D
[12:17] <guney_> i have a problem
[12:17] <mebaran151_> a tiny bit
[12:17] <linukso> Cin: I have tried windowmaker several times, but I never get used to is... especially the gnustep apps. Gnustep might be this great technology, but the gui just look dreadful...
[12:17] <guney_> i couldnt install mono
[12:18] <linukso> guney_: sudo aptitude install mono
[12:18] <mebaran151_> linukso: I think the gui looks bad because all teh NextStep developers went to work on the Aqua GUI
[12:18] <Nomad_1> mebaran151: Even with an Athlon64 3200+, 2gigs DDR, and Radeon 9600XT 256mb? setup?
[12:18] <topyli> linukso: it does doesn't it. :-) it's very usable though
[12:18] <skalpel> can someone help me with this error message?
[12:18] <skalpel> E: Couldn't find package sun-j2re1.5
[12:18] <mjr> Gnustep is nice mostly because it makes porting from MacOS X / Cocoa easier
[12:18] <mebaran151_> Nomad_1: it wont be unbearable
[12:18] <Cin> i don't tend to do much flicking through applications
[12:18] <Thewarmachine> out of curiosity what is a really good linux virus scanner
[12:18] <guney_> but where from?
[12:18] <Jemt> What is the difference between apt-get and aptitude ?
[12:18] <topyli> Thewarmachine: what is a really good linux virus?
[12:18] <mebaran151_> just emulating a complex program like that might be hard
[12:19] <linukso> mjr: So I have heard, but have you ever seen anything coming that way?
[12:19] <Seveas> Jemt, apt-get is the classic way, aptitude is better
[12:19] <Thewarmachine> topyli lol
[12:19] <mebaran151_> topyli: why do you want to know that .....
[12:19] <dArtagnan> skalpel, enabled the universe and multiverse packages?
[12:19] <Nomad_1> mebaran151: I think trying something like WINE might be a good idea. If only as a demo to see if the emulation idea is doable.
[12:19] <topyli> mebaran151_: just rhetorical
[12:19] <Seveas> guney_, you need to enable backports to egt mono
[12:19] <mebaran151_> Nomad_1: decent idea
[12:19] <Seveas> !backports
[12:19] <ubotu> somebody said backports was .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[12:19] <mebaran151_> it might just be a little bit of work
[12:19] <jowi> Jemt, aptitude and synaptics are front-ends for apt
[12:19] <skalpel> dartagnan: yes i believe so. where is the conf file again? i will doublecheck
[12:19] <Jemt> Seveas: Better in what way ?
[12:19] <mjr> linukso, no :)
[12:19] <saintFrance> where do i get codecs and what not for the totem media player
[12:19] <saintFrance> ?
[12:19] <Seveas> Jemt, aptitude is better when it comes to advanced uses
[12:20] <dArtagnan> skalpel, deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[12:20] <mebaran151_> !Restricted
[12:20] <ubotu> methinks restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:20] <dArtagnan> add that one
[12:20] <guney_> ok i'll try
[12:20] <Jemt> Seveas: Why ?
[12:20] <linukso> mjr: my point exactly :)
[12:20] <saintFrance> !codec
[12:20] <ubotu> saintFrance: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[12:20] <saintFrance> !codecs
[12:20] <Thewarmachine> so, how about the virus scanner.... anyone recommend a good one
[12:20] <ubotu> I heard codecs is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:20] <Seveas> Jemt, read the manpages for apt-get and aptitude to discover the differences :)
[12:20] <mebaran151_> !!
[12:20] <ubotu> hmm... ! is what u add before a sentence to talk to me
[12:20] <skalpel> dartagnan: can you tell me where the conf file is? i forget
[12:20] <linukso> mjr: maybe iTunes could be ported to objC and gnustep :D
[12:20] <Jemt> Seveas: If it's just a front-end to apt-get, apt-get would be the advanced users choice I guess
[12:20] <Nevado> !hello
[12:20] <ubotu> Nevado: I don't know
[12:20] <topyli> Thewarmachine: i used to run f-secure's scanner but it's very much non-free
[12:20] <mebaran151_> doesnt aptitude have a font end
[12:21] <Seveas> Jemt, apt-get and aptitude are both frontends for libapt
[12:21] <mebaran151_> any of you have LVM working at the moment
[12:21] <linukso> Thewarmachine: clamav, if you need one
[12:21] <Jemt> Seveas: Ok, ic.
[12:21] <Nevado> mebaran151_, synaptic
[12:21] <Seveas> aptitude has a nice ncurses interface too :)
[12:21] <topyli> Thewarmachine: then i realized i only have one windows client and decided to install the scanner on that :-)
[12:21] <Nomad_1> Time to go. Thanks for your time mebaran151
[12:21] <mebaran151_> clamav is pretty good; they keep up to date
[12:22] <mebaran151_> anyone here LVM exerpts?
[12:22] <Cin> i'm curious as to how much ram usage difference there is between WindowMaker and KDE/Gnome
[12:22] <linukso> Thewarmachine: If your machine is just a standalone pc, and not i.ex. a mailserver for windows machines, you really don't need one.
[12:22] <mebaran151_> eperts
[12:22] <mebaran151_> experts
[12:22] <Jemt> Am I the only one having problems with XMMS? It freezes when I try to play a mp3 file
[12:22] <Nevado> does clamav automatically scan files as you open them?
[12:22] <Seveas> Jemt: To make xmms or beep-media-player actually play things, change the audio output plugin to eSound
[12:22] <mebaran151_> Jemt: mie seg faults
[12:22] <topyli> mebaran151_: sure aptitude has a gui. just run it without arguments and you get the nice curses ui
[12:22] <vagamente> how can i watch .mov file?
[12:22] <Seveas> Nevado, thank god no
[12:22] <mebaran151_> topyli: yeah
[12:22] <Cin> what's the command for the task viewer
[12:22] <linukso> Cin: tons, but once you load your first real app, the advantage will be gone :)
[12:22] <Seveas> !quicktime
[12:22] <ubotu> somebody said quicktime was read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about quicktime support
[12:22] <Cin> in shell
[12:22] <mebaran151_> I never knew you could run it with arguments
[12:22] <Jemt> Seveas: Oh, okay. Thanks alot :)
[12:22] <Jemt> mebaran151_: Thanks too
[12:23] <linukso> Cin: top
[12:23] <Seveas> Cin, top
[12:23] <Seveas> vagamente, read what ubotu said
[12:23] <mebaran151_> Seveas: you can configure it to scan your email
[12:23] <Cin> ahh thanks
[12:23] <MartenH> I'm trying to use xawtv and gqcam ot get my cam working but it wont. They keep telling me /dev/video doesn't exist...
[12:23] <mebaran151_> I think ClamAV has a plugin for that
[12:23] <mebaran151_> MartenH: do you have the modules loaded
[12:23] <MartenH> mebaran151_, i belive so. I find running ov511 which I belive is for my cam
[12:23] <mebaran151_> for your particular camera
[12:24] <mebaran151_> ov511
[12:24] <Cin> ta
[12:24] <topyli> amavis will use most any scanner as a plugin
[12:24] <arbir> hello all
[12:24] <linukso> ello!
[12:24] <Nevado> in firefox does anyone know how to do an "i'm feeling lucky"  search in the quicksearch box thingy?
[12:24] <mebaran151_> !lvm
[12:24] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, mebaran151_
[12:24] <Cin> i am thinkings my switch from windows to linux was a gudden!
[12:24] <mebaran151_> !LVM
[12:24] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, mebaran151_
[12:24] <mebaran151_> !logical
[12:24] <ubotu> mebaran151_: Are you smoking crack?
[12:24] <mebaran151_> damnit, the bot doesnt know
[12:24] <MartenH> I'm not following you mebaran151_ ?
[12:24] <Seveas> mebaran151_, stop playing with it...
[12:25] <Seveas> use private messages
[12:25] <mebaran151_> oh whoops, sorry
[12:25] <guney_> to install mono, which backport should i add list?
[12:25] <Seveas> !backports
[12:25] <ubotu> [backports]  .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[12:26] <mebaran151_> do you know guys know where I could find a good guide as to how to set up LVM
[12:26] <Mez> grr @ me highlighting backports
[12:26] <Seveas> hehe
[12:26] <JaZy84> hey guys i have 4.10 and i want to upgrade to 5.04
[12:26] <linukso> mebaran151_: gentoo-wiki.com
[12:26] <JaZy84> can i just add the repos?
[12:27] <Seveas> JaZy84: One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[12:27] <mebaran151_> linukso: yeah
[12:27] <mebaran151_> I use them alot
[12:27] <Seveas> JaZy84, use that command :)
[12:27] <arbir> guney_: i am also trying to intall mono
[12:27] <mebaran151_> the Ubuntu Wiki is not so hardcore as the Gentoo one
[12:27] <mebaran151_> it is fabulous
[12:27] <JaZy84> ty
[12:27] <Seveas> Ubuntu is not so hardcore as Gentoo
[12:27] <Seveas> :)
[12:27] <arbir> where is the ServerName directive on apache.. i am not able to figure it out. can anybody help me. here is my log --> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/882
[12:28] <Cin> if top's the console version, what's the command to execute GUI version...?
[12:28] <mebaran151_> i tried Gentoo
[12:28] <yonil> full screen mode doesnt work with any game (it just stays the same size, with a black bg to the entire screen). anyone knows why ?
[12:28] <andril> hello all
[12:28] <mebaran151_> but all the seconds I saved in optimized programs loading
[12:28] <mebaran151_> was lost in compiling everything
[12:28] <linukso> Ubuntu leaves more time for doing other things that compiling and configuring...
[12:28] <mebaran151_> learned alot though
[12:28] <andril> does anyone know how to remove Logos from wallpapers?
[12:28] <Seveas> arbir, that is not an error, you can ignore it
[12:28] <dArtagnan> arbir, you have to set ServerName ;)
[12:29] <Snufj> mmm i could better put an ignore on join and leave notices i guess..
[12:29] <mattt> i love gentoo, but i do agree that it's a very time-consuming distro.
[12:29] <dArtagnan> andril, the gimp does a wonderfull job :)
[12:29] <Seveas> dArtagnan, you don't have to :)
[12:29] <mebaran151_> mattt: yeah
[12:29] <dArtagnan> well, it asks for the ServerName now
[12:29] <JaZy84> hey Seveas
[12:29] <mebaran151_> well done, and their community is decent at helping you with really obscure problems
[12:29] <Seveas> Snufj, yeah, that is a good plan in here :)
[12:29] <Snufj> yes :)
[12:29] <JaZy84> i get sed -e expression #1 char 11: unterminated 's command
[12:29] <arbir> dArtagnan: where do i set ServerName.. this apache conf in Ubutnu is diff from the old ones i did
[12:29] <MartenH> I think I might need to upgrade my ov511 drivers to ov51x. I have found these but they need to be "built" and the ov511 drivers removed. Can anyone help me with these procedures?
[12:29] <Seveas> JaZy84, ouch
[12:30] <Seveas> lemme check
[12:30] <JaZy84> sudo sed -e 'swartyhoary' -i etcaptsources.list && sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[12:30] <andril> dArtagan, kinda a noob to Gimp but I have been working with some images - can you help?
[12:30] <JaZy84> what i used
[12:30] <JaZy84> ah for got '/'
[12:30] <Seveas> JaZy84, you missed some / characters
[12:30] <linukso> gentoo is great if you run it on a 24/7 machine stuck in a dark room somewhere, but running at 99% all day long makes lots of noise and heat in the living room :)
[12:30] <nJess> crispynix-v6, fancy meeting you here
[12:30] <crispynix-v6> nJess: hey :)
[12:30] <Seveas> sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[12:30] <arbir> Seveas: i nkow its not an error.. but i want to set a name :-)
[12:31] <JaZy84> yeah
[12:31] <JaZy84> sorry about that :)(
[12:31] <Seveas> arbir, you can set it in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[12:31] <JaZy84> trhanks for the help
[12:31] <Dr_Fate> Thunderbird just keeps loading and loading and loading, and hitting the stop button does nothing.
[12:31] <arbir> let me check Seveas
[12:31] <Strife> does anyone else have problems switching network interfaces without rebooting?
[12:31] <Seveas> add the line: ServerName some.host.name.that.is.valid
[12:31] <mebaran151_> what is the difference between EVMS and LVM
[12:31] <linukso> Dr_Fate: mutt doesnt...
[12:31] <kaffeend> can someone tell me how to burn the live CD for Ubuntu AMD 64 please?
[12:31] <arbir> i am not able to find that tag in there Seveas
[12:31] <skalpel> can someone tell me what the following error means when i have already downloaded the file and am in the dir where it is stored?
[12:31] <skalpel> File "LimewireLinux.rpm" not found.
[12:31] <by_ruffo> hello people!
[12:32] <Seveas> arbir, simply add the line at the end
[12:32] <kaffeend> I copied the .ISO straight to the disc
[12:32] <Seveas> kaffeend, bad idea
[12:32] <Strife> you need to "write image"
[12:32] <Dr_Fate> linukso, is that some lame reccomendation for mutt?
[12:32] <Strife> or "burn image"
[12:32] <arbir> aaah! i see .. thanks Seveas .. thats all i wanted to know.... :-)
[12:32] <Seveas> select the 'burn image' option in your cd burning program
[12:32] <Strife> it really depends on what program you're using, kaffeend
[12:32] <kaffeend> sounds like I need nero
[12:32] <by_ruffo> how i can install ident
[12:32] <Dr_Fate> yeah I'm using a gui emailer and I'll switch to mutt right away
[12:32] <skalpel> does wine work well enough to play games?
[12:32] <by_ruffo> or oident  ??
[12:32] <Seveas> by_ruffo, sudo aptitude install pidentd
[12:32] <kaffeend> or alcohol
[12:32] <arbir> Seveas: before this, when i was on redhat... this tag was already defined, and i just had to uncomment and write my own name
[12:32] <linukso> Dr_Fate: a very bad joke. Thunderbird does that if it cant find the mailserver
[12:32] <Dr_Fate> give me a break
[12:32] <arbir> thanks Seveas
[12:33] <Seveas> arbir, Ubuntu defines it in /etc/apache2/sites-available
[12:33] <andril> dArtagnan, can you help? i am kinda noob to Gimp
[12:33] <Seveas> and .../sites-enabled
[12:33] <Dr_Fate> linukso, this POS found the mailservers alright, as it download mail from them
[12:33] <MartenH> Can someone help me build and replace some drivers? I'm a bit too new to this to figure out how to do it
[12:33] <Strife> so if no one else has trouble switching network intefaces without rebooting... is there a way at least where I can have two network interfaces configured but only have ONE try to connect at boot?
[12:33] <kaffeend> strife I will use whatever program I need to get this thing installed
[12:33] <arbir> so should i make an entry in apache2.conf or sites-available ?
[12:34] <mebaran151_> MartenH: you are going to have to build yourself a kernel
[12:34] <kaffeend> I don't even know what a kernel is
[12:34] <arbir> Seveas: what is the official Ubuntu way of installing Mono ?
[12:34] <linukso> Dr_Fate: hmm, remembet something like that when I was trying to get imaps working on my mailserver.
[12:35] <Seveas> arbir the nicest is in sites-available/default
[12:35] <MartenH> mebaran151_, ok, I'm open to learn :)
[12:35] <Seveas> just below the ServerAdmin line
[12:35] <mebaran151_> MartenH
[12:35] <mebaran151_> before you do it
[12:35] <kaffeend> so is the image on the disc meant to be a plain ISO?
[12:35] <mebaran151_> are you sure you need to
[12:35] <Jemt> How can I see which codecs a movie requires ?
[12:35] <mebaran151_> my guess is udev is not properly configured
[12:35] <arbir> Seveas: which would be inside the Virtual host * tag
[12:35] <Seveas> arbir, correct
[12:36] <mebaran151_> but I dont know how to configure udev, as it is supposed to just work
[12:36] <skalpel> can someone tell me how to unpack rar file in ubuntu linux?
[12:36] <mebaran151_> it might have to symlink your usb cam to a /dev/videa
[12:36] <Seveas> and about mono: the official way is to not install it yet or use hoary-backports
[12:36] <linukso> skalpel: get unrar-nonfree
[12:36] <MartenH> mebaran151_, It works like a charm with another cam right away but not with this one.
[12:36] <arbir> right.. i got it.. i added at the end , but now.. let me shift it below  ServerAdmin line
[12:36] <mebaran151_> yeah
[12:36] <mebaran151_> sounds very udevy
[12:36] <Strife> speaking of mono... Beagle refuses to work for me :(
[12:36] <MartenH> mebaran151_, I found on the net that I might need to replace my ov511 drivers with ov51x to make it work
[12:36] <darxeth> how does ubuntu differ than debian?
[12:37] <Strife> I thought apt was supposed to prevent dependencies NOT getting installed, but apparently not
[12:37] <arbir> well.. Seveas whats wrong with mono ?
[12:37] <Seveas> darxeth: Ubuntu and debian have different goals, a different release schedule and different, but overlapping communities. See also http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship
[12:37] <Strife> darxeth: ubuntu is based on debian
[12:37] <deprave> can playing with tripewire for learning purposes citicaly incapacitate my machine in any way?
[12:37] <Seveas> arbir, nothing, I;m just answering your question :)
[12:37] <deprave> criticaly
[12:37] <skalpel> linukso: is that listed in synaptic?
[12:37] <darxeth> i c
[12:38] <arbir> i know.. Seveas  i was just wondering.. becuase, i need to install Mono and host it on production
[12:38] <mebaran151_> what is tripewire?
[12:38] <skalpel> linukso: what is the difference between the free and nonfree version?
[12:38] <linukso> skalpel: yes, if you have added the multiverse reps. There is a free version too, but I always have touble with it, so I bother...
[12:38] <andril> any Gimp users out there?
[12:38] <arbir> Seveas: and now i am i ndoubt if Ubuntu is the right choice or shall i go back to Fedor
[12:38] <mebaran151_> MartenH: oh
[12:38] <Seveas> skalpel, the nonfree can handle rar3.0 archives
[12:38] <mebaran151_> that isnt so bad
[12:38] <mebaran151_> dll the kernel source
[12:38] <Seveas> arbir, ubuntu is the right choice
[12:38] <andril> I am trying to remove text and logos from wallpapers using Gimp
[12:38] <skalpel> seveas: do i have to pay for it or something?
[12:38] <mebaran151_> for the ubuntu package
[12:38] <Seveas> and for breezy ubuntu will be in main
[12:39] <Seveas> skalpel, no
[12:39] <linukso> skalpel: no no,
[12:39] <skalpel> i prefer freeware
[12:39] <skalpel> alright.
[12:39] <skalpel> =)
[12:39] <Seveas> nonfree means: no source code available
[12:39] <skalpel> ah, ok
[12:39] <mebaran151_> go to /usr/src/ and untar it there
[12:39] <skalpel> that is fine for me.
[12:39] <arbir> ok Seveas so let me add the backports and install mono
[12:39] <Seveas> and for breezy mono will be in main
[12:39] <kaffeend> so I have d/lodaed the live Ubuntu for AMD 64, I browse the cd contents and there's an .ISO file there, but when I try to boot from the cd it ignores it and boots to windows xp login like normal. I was told that it shouldn't show a .ISO but a bunch of different files and fiolders - I'm lost, and soooo close to deleting this Ubuntu thing
[12:39] <guney_> arbir:how is it going?
[12:39] <linukso> skalpel: it refers to freedom, not money...
[12:39] <kaffeend> Linux is supposed to save me from MS
[12:39] <arbir> guney_: great.. how about you ?
[12:39] <abarbaccia> kaffeend, you need to burn the iso as an image not as a file
[12:39] <kaffeend> windows works
[12:39] <desrt> kaffeend; i think you burned the ISO file to the CD
[12:39] <desrt> kaffeend; instead of burning the ISO file -as- the cd
[12:39] <Seveas> kaffeend, if you use nero: select 'burn image'
[12:39] <guney_> bad
[12:39] <abarbaccia> kaffeend, go into your CD burner and OPEN the iso file
[12:40] <arbir> kaffeend: no ,, linux is supposed to be freedom of choice
[12:40] <guney_> ubuntu downs easiliy :(
[12:40] <kaffeend> arabaccia I did and it opens in winRAR
[12:40] <Seveas> kaffeend, wich cd burnong program do you use?
[12:40] <linukso> kaffeend: Linux can't save you, you have to save your self...
[12:40] <abarbaccia> kaffeend,what program are you using to burn CDs
[12:40] <Jemt> Can it really be true, that I have found a media file that Totem can play (I really don't like that player) that MPlayer can't play ?
[12:41] <Seveas> Jemt, omg....
[12:41] <Seveas> send it to me :)
[12:41] <BollocksMacenzie> What's the best way of creating firewall rules in ubuntu...
[12:41] <kaffeend> linukso - I'm sure you understood my point
[12:41] <mebaran151_> Jemt: that is rather interesting
[12:41] <Seveas> BollocksMacenzie, firestarter, firehol, shorewall...
[12:41] <Madpilot> !iso
[12:41] <ubotu> No idea, Madpilot
[12:41] <mebaran151_> you sure it isnt like a mikmod file or something
[12:41] <linukso> kaffeend: its late at night, and jedi wisdom just came to me :)
[12:41] <Jemt> Seveas & mebaran151_: hehe :)
[12:41] <kaffeend> Seveas I use the standard Windows burning tool
[12:42] <Seveas> kaffeend, hmm, that one cannot burn it properly afaik
[12:42] <Jemt> Could it be duo to plugins or similar that needs to be configured ? I havn't touched the default settings
[12:42] <zany> b**hey
[12:42] <Madpilot> kaffeend: see this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BurningIsoHowto
[12:42] <zany> hey
[12:42] <Seveas> kaffeend, nero can, the 30day trial will suffice
[12:42] <kaffeend> linukso :P I want to have a stable - expandable OS
[12:42] <arbir> Seveas: how do i know my apt is fetching from the backports?
[12:42] <kaffeend> I have nero on disc
[12:42] <kaffeend> so do I have to download it agaiN?
[12:42] <linukso> Does anyone here know of a tool to convert avi/divx etc to theora?
[12:42] <Seveas> kaffeend, the page Madpilot sent you also gives good information
[12:43] <Seveas> you do not need to download it again
[12:43] <kaffeend> someone sent me something?>
[12:43] <kaffeend> scrolling...
[12:43] <arbir> Seveas: do you think my apt is using the backports ? --> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/883
[12:43] <robertj> btw, thew new pentium-m's are awesome
[12:43] <robertj> I've got a newer Celeron 1.4 that blows away my old 1.6
[12:43] <MartenH> how do I launch the archive manager with su rights?
[12:43] <mjr> linukso, ffmpeg2theora, google for it
[12:43] <linukso> mjr: ah, thanks....
[12:44] <Seveas> arbir, no
[12:44] <skalpel> can someone tell me how to change my widow switching behavior from linux to windows?
[12:44] <Seveas> but the non-backports mono is quite old
[12:44] <kaffeend> people, I'm very sorry if anyone is talking to me and I'm not replying - I've been up for hours looking at text
[12:44] <skalpel> nevermind, i found it
[12:44] <skalpel> =)
[12:44] <arbir> how do i get it from the latest backports
[12:44] <Seveas> add the backports line to your sources.list
[12:44] <topyli> MartenH: from a terminal, do 'sudo file-roller' or from the apps menu, choose system -> run as diff user
[12:44] <Seveas> !backports
[12:44] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[12:44] <Jemt> robertj: I have just bought a brand new IBM X31 laptop with Pentium M 1.6 Ghz. And I must agree ;)
[12:45] <Madpilot> kaffeend: been there, one that. here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BurningIsoHowto
[12:45] <Seveas> kaffeend, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BurningIsoHowto
[12:45] <MikeW> Will horay sport gnome 1.12?
[12:45] <kaffeend> thanks Seveas
[12:45] <Seveas> MikeW, 2.12 you mean :)
[12:45] <Seveas> and: yes
[12:45] <mjr> also, he means breezy
[12:45] <arbir> sevenseas i have added the backports into my sources.list file
[12:45] <mebaran151_> Seveas Gnome 1 was fun!
[12:45] <Seveas> argh, mjr :)
[12:45] <Seveas> right
[12:45] <arbir> now.. how can i make sure that mono would be fetched only from the backports?
[12:45] <Seveas> arbir, do apt-get update before apt-get install mono
[12:45] <mebaran151_> out of curiousity
[12:45] <topyli> mebaran151_: i ran, didn't walk, to enlightenment at the time :)
[12:46] <arbir> aah.. yeah. i did not do that
[12:46] <mebaran151_> is the Gnome major number dirrectly correalated to the version of GTK
[12:46] <Seveas> mebaran151_, no
[12:46] <crimsun> mebaran151_: no
[12:46] <mebaran151_> so when GTK 3 is started we get Gnome 3.0
[12:46] <mebaran151_> ah
[12:46] <mebaran151_> ok
[12:46] <catolh> Is there any way to make the window borders smaller? and text in general?
[12:46] <kaffeend> I went into wiki and read a heap of stuff but didn't see anything about how to burn the image - why isn't that on the4 same page AS the image?
[12:46] <Seveas> kaffeend, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BurningIsoHowto <-- bottom of that page
[12:47] <flodine> hello
[12:47] <mjr> not strongly, but it's reasonable to expect that gnome changes major versions at the latest when/if gtk does :)
[12:47] <kaffeend> all I saw was - simply click this and download the image
[12:47] <don-o> is X still broken in breezy?
[12:47] <MikeW> Seveas: WOOHOO! I heard that gnome 2.12 is less of a slow dog then the .8 or something, because they cleaned up some horrible stupid coding mistakes. Extra performance I hope :D
[12:47] <Seveas> kaffeend, mind if I send you a privare message?
[12:47] <topyli> catolh: window borders depend on which theme you are using. the font is also configurable
[12:47] <Seveas> don-o, yes, see /topic
[12:47] <mebaran151_> don-o: just a tad....
[12:47] <Madpilot> kaffeend: there should be more info on the download page - but that page and the wiki are seperate right now...
[12:47] <topyli> catolh: it's all in the system -> preferences menu
[12:48] <kaffeend> I'm cranky and very very tired from all this - I really hope it's worth it
[12:48] <don-o> Seveas: thx. the topic scrolls by before i can read it :)
[12:48] <mebaran151_> Seveas: the fix on my machine was simple though
[12:48] <mebaran151_> I just changed a symlink like the bug report said
[12:48] <mebaran151_> seemed too simple thouhg
[12:48] <Seveas> kaffeend, maybe you should simply go to sleep and continue tomorrow :)
[12:50] <robertj> has there been any talk of dumping the Quake color scheme for gnome default yet ;)
[12:50] <topyli> hehe
[12:50] <zany> i have configured dhcpd
[12:50] <amonkey> is there anyway to play music to an airport express from linux?
[12:50] <phixion> lo all, can anyone help me? I just installed 'pidentd', how can i start it?
[12:50] <kaffeend> Seveas by tomorrow I won't have a system at all - it's corrupted beyond belief... missing core windows plugins and apps like the Task Manager
[12:50] <zany> how do i start it automatically at boot please ??
[12:50] <crimsun> phixion: it should be started already.
[12:50] <kaffeend> I can barely use windows at all now
[12:50] <topyli> phixion: probably it starts as you install
[12:51] <kaffeend> hacked to pieces
[12:51] <phixion> hmm doesn't seem to have in my ps x list
[12:51] <ma3x> guys, when i install kubuntu is there mailserver installed by default?
[12:51] <Seveas> kaffeend, then read that page more carefully
[12:51] <karim> what means "scuffle" ?
[12:51] <Seveas> at the bottom it gives complete instructions for windows
[12:52] <amonkey> my friend has ubuntu installed and he restarted it and all that shows is some linkign white ont eh lower left hand of hte screen.
[12:52] <crimsun> ma3x: postfix.
[12:52] <topyli> phixion: oh well, try /etc/init.d/pidentd start
[12:52] <kaffeend> it won't even open and I can't copy and paste
[12:52] <ma3x> crimsun: and why is 'kmail' not installed in the menu (internet)?
[12:52] <crimsun> ma3x: for Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[12:52] <ma3x> Kubuntu
[12:53] <crimsun> ma3x: because the .desktop file is in the wrong place, more than likely.
[12:53] <wastrel> i forgot the password for my ubuntu install on my other computer-  what should i do? :] 
[12:53] <ma3x> crimsun: but i just installed it, how can it be in the wrong place?
[12:53] <davix> erm
[12:53] <phixion> topyli, im in /etc/init.d/ there is no "pidentd" in there
[12:53] <davix> gnome is getting dull
[12:53] <crimsun> ma3x: packaging error. It's not your fault.
[12:54] <davix> should I move to kubuntu
[12:54] <davix> or is there a way to make things more intresting?
[12:54] <Determinist> Davey, how is gnome getting dull?
[12:54] <ma3x> crimsun: how do i fix it?
[12:54] <topyli> phixion: it's not necessarily called pidentd there. look around, there may be something like identd
[12:54] <ray_> anybody know how to make a backup of a dvd
[12:54] <davix> Determinist, it feels as if things are crummy and not quite fully developed, square design, and no out of the box templates.
[12:54] <davix> not that I know of anyway.
[12:54] <crimsun> ma3x: you'd have to recompile the package.
[12:55] <arbir> Seveas: the mono in the backports is also quite old... something like 1.0.5
[12:55] <phixion> topyli, if i dloaded it from synaptic, it should have install right?
[12:55] <arbir> while the latest one is way beyond 1.1
[12:55] <Determinist> davix, well, given enough time it should improve dramatically as it had in the past.
[12:55] <topyli> phixion: well, if synaptic says it installed it, it probably did :-)
[12:55] <LinuxJones> ma3x, you can install kmail
[12:55] <Mez> arbir: we're working on updating mono for official backports
[12:56] <davix> I gave it more than a year till now.
[12:56] <ma3x> LinuxJones: it's already installed but how can i reinstall it?
[12:56] <phixion> topyli, if i reboot, u think itll start automatically?
[12:56] <Determinist> davix, as for eyecandy, you could probably make it look alot better if you combine existing templates with some other elements, i've seen some pretty good outcomes
[12:56] <topyli> phixion: of course, identd might be a service run by inetd and thus have no init script at all
[12:56] <t3rror> is there a decent newsgroup binary downloader for linux?
[12:56] <arbir> Mez.. thanks for that info. any ideas when would the latest be up and out there ?
[12:56] <f_newton> pan
[12:56] <davix> erm, Determinist where did you see, perhaps I can get ideas.
[12:56] <phixion> topyli, is there any other way i can find out if its running or not?
[12:56] <t3rror> one that supports nzb files
[12:56] <LinuxJones> ma3x, right click the package in synaptic and do reinstall
[12:57] <Mez> arbir: we're currently testing and stuff, I've asked elmo to put the current mono version from breezy into backports
[12:57] <douglas> Everytime my box starts up it synchronizes my time with ubuntu, but I think I don't have the right time zone selected, how do I select the right one so at startup I get the appropriate time?
[12:57] <topyli> phixion: "ps aux | grep ident" should definitely show it
[12:57] <crimsun> douglas: tzconfig
[12:57] <phixion> can i paste what it says to you topyli ?
[12:57] <deprave> anyoneh ere use tripwire?
[12:58] <f_newton> are the cli commands debian specific or ubuntu specific?
[12:58] <arbir> so Mez.. should i go ahead and install the old version for now.. or shall i wait till the new version is in backports. bandwidth and downloading is an issue here.
[12:58] <topyli> phixion: that command i gave you? that shouldn't be much, go ahead
[12:58] <Mez> arbir: wait
[12:58] <cute_bettong> ok what the heck my sound crapped out
[12:58] <cute_bettong> i booted and it broke >.<
[12:58] <cute_bettong> how to fix?
[12:58] <arbir> sure Mez..... thanks for that. you saved me  tons of downloading time :-)
[12:58] <jdkycdoc> hi everyone, i want to install kde in a friend's computer running ubuntu, he have dial-up connection and so I was wondering if I could install kde from kubuntu install CD, do you know?
[12:59] <topyli> phixion: yeah, that's just the command you were running when you checked. you have no identd running
[12:59] <phixion> oh
[12:59] <phixion> ok, shall i reboot
[12:59] <Determinist> davix, try fedoraforums.org , ubuntuforums.org , look at screenshots and then try and emulate what you think is pretty
[12:59] <j0orge[LieRa] > orale voLa de vErgas :!
[12:59] <j0orge[LieRa] > :P!
[12:59] <topyli> phixion: it's a little desperate
[12:59] <davix> tnx Determinist.
[01:00] <ma3x> LinuxJones: when i reinstall kmail, it asks me for the cd, and i insert the cd and it doesn't show in the menu
[01:00] <kyncani> jdkycdoc: if one of you has a usb disk, i would consider making a local ubuntu mirror
[01:01] <LinuxJones> ma3x, ok first thing to do is comment out the cd reference in the file /etc/apt/sources.lst
[01:01] <topyli> phixion: the thing is, i'm only talking from my regular knowledge about services. i never actually run identd myself
[01:01] <jdkycdoc> kyncani, would you explain me in more detail how would that be?
[01:01] <Determinist> davix np mate.
[01:01] <phixion> ok thanks for the help topyli, ill try a reboot see if it starts :/
[01:03] <hou5ton> I have two harddrives in my laptop, Windows is on one, Ubuntu on the other ... from Ubuntu, how can I tell which "brand" is the hd that it is on?
[01:03] <mrproper> I'm noticing that NFS is very chatty on the network.  Is there anyway to make it quieter?
[01:03] <LinuxJones> ma3x, you might have to manually add the menu entry, best to ask in #kubuntu to be sure.
[01:03] <ma3x> LinuxJones: now i reinstalled it from the internet, but kmail still doesn't show in menu
[01:03] <LinuxJones> ma3x, sometimes you have to wait a few minutes for it to appear
[01:03] <kyncani> jdkycdoc: there's a package called debmirror to do mirror, although last time i tried to use it (some 3 months ago), it would ultimately not work. I've made a archive.ubuntu.com mirror using rsync. There's some doc for you on the net.
[01:03] <ma3x> LinuxJones: when i add it under menu, what do i type in the command field, only 'kmail' ?
[01:04] <LinuxJones> ma3x, have you done an apt-get update and apt-get upgrade on your system yet since you installed ?
[01:04] <LinuxJones> ma3x, yes that outta do it
[01:04] <kyncani> jdkycdoc: google around for debian ubuntu mirror rsync debmirror (some of these terms)
[01:04] <conflikt> someone can gimme a hand with screen resolution
[01:04] <ma3x> LinuxJones: apt-get upgrade not yet, it's 120 M
[01:04] <conflikt> ???
[01:05] <LinuxJones> ma3x, best to get that done if your can
[01:05] <LinuxJones> ma3x, it may already be fixed in the upgrade
[01:05] <jdkycdoc> kyncani, thank you for the info, ill think about it
[01:05] <arbir> Mez.. i also see this site http://debian.meebey.net which says it has latet packages for the mono.. is this official debian ?
[01:05] <kyncani> jdkycdoc: beware that a ubuntu mirror takes some space (somewhere around 20 G)
[01:05] <ma3x> LinuxJones: ok, I thank you very much for the assistance!
[01:05] <conflikt> anyone know why screen resolution is at 640 ?
[01:05] <LinuxJones> ma3x, Good Luck
[01:06] <ma3x> LinuxJones: thank you!
[01:06] <Mez> arbir: no
[01:06] <LinuxJones> conflikt, Ubuntu didn't detect your monitor correctly
[01:06] <jdkycdoc> kyncani, so you mean that I would need a usb hard disk?
[01:06] <conflikt> ok so how do i do it manually ?
[01:06] <kyncani> jdkycdoc: yes
[01:07] <amonkey> anyone know what mcs is?
[01:07] <kyncani> jdkycdoc: with lots of space free
[01:07] <LinuxJones> conflikt, >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:07] <hou5ton> I have two harddrives in my laptop, Windows is on one, Ubuntu on the other ... from Ubuntu, how can I tell which "brand" is the hd that it is on?
[01:08] <mattt> hou5ton, dmesg | grep ide
[01:08] <Seveas> hou5ton, lspci
[01:08] <mjr> hou5ton, /proc/ide/hd?/model
[01:08] <mattt> hou5ton, rather, grep for hd (provided ide)
[01:08] <Mez> !mp3
[01:08] <ubotu> hmm... mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[01:09] <catolh> Is it possible to get the winamp "presets" loaded into xmms?
[01:09] <mattt> mrj:  that's nice mind.  :)
[01:10] <skalpel> what plugin do i need to use to play wmv files in totem, san someone tell me?
[01:11] <mjr> skalpel, for old wmvs, gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg may do; for newer ones, there aren't linux codecs. You may be able to make do with w32codecs and totem-xine, if you're running on x86.
[01:11] <Jemt> Is it possible to make a script that automatically kills Wine after ie 3 minutes? I want to make sure that my PC dosn't lock up when i try to run Atomic Bomberman
[01:11] <jdkycdoc> kyncani, well that doesnt seem a very good option, thanks anyway, any other idea?
[01:11] <Nomad_1> Is there a terminal command to list what compiler is configured for the system?
[01:12] <mjr> Nomad_1, gcc --version
[01:12] <Nomad_1> mjr: Thanks mate.
[01:13] <hou5ton> mattt, got it ... thanks guys
[01:14] <arbir> Mez.. is there a place where i can constantly check when the uploads have been done, instead of bothering you :-) ?
[01:14] <skalpel> mjr: how do i install the w32codecs for totem?
[01:14] <phixion> who was the guy that helped with identd?
[01:14] <Mez> arbir: hoary-changes@lists.ubuntu.com
[01:14] <benplaut> !info win32codecs
[01:14] <Mez> !w32codecs
[01:14] <ubotu> hmm... w32codecs is a set of codecs needed to play many common audio and video formats, such as WMV. You can install w32codecs from the hoary-extras repositories (see: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org).
[01:15] <arbir> thanks Mez.....
[01:15] <benplaut> hmm
[01:15] <benplaut> ubotu could stand to be a bit smarterm but nevertheless...
[01:15] <ubotu> No idea, benplaut
[01:15] <benplaut> be quiet :)
[01:15] <Seveas> !forget w32codecs
[01:15] <ubotu> Seveas: i forgot w32codecs
[01:16] <Nomad_1> I'm looking at the GCC installation docs now and it looks quite beyond me and my Linux usage abilities. Is there someone that wouldn't mind helping me out with installing GCC?
[01:16] <dimitris> Anyone has the deb package for amule 2.0.0 ??? I don't want to install 2.0.3 since i had some problems.
[01:16] <benplaut> Seveas: why make it forget it?
[01:16] <Seveas> benplaut, brainfart
[01:17] <Seveas> added them again already :)
[01:17] <benplaut> !win32codecs
[01:17] <ubotu> benplaut: I haven't a clue
[01:17] <LinuxJones> Nomad_1, sudo apt-get update && apt-get install build-essential
[01:17] <Seveas> !w32codecs
[01:17] <ubotu> somebody said w32codecs was a set of codecs needed to play many common audio and video formats, such as WMV. You can install w32codecs from the hoary-extras repositories (see: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org).
[01:17] <benplaut> oh
[01:17] <benplaut> an extra "in" :P
[01:17] <Seveas> nope
[01:18] <Seveas> added the same text back
[01:18] <Nomad_1> LinuxJones: That = greek to me mate. I don't see how that would help me with GCC.
[01:18] <Seveas> for a moment i thought 'hey backports is now official so the url is wrong' but that part of backports didn't go official :)
[01:19] <LinuxJones> Nomad_1, if you want to compile using gcc the package build-essential will install everyting you need.
[01:19] <Mez> ...?
[01:19] <Nomad_1> Thanks mate.
[01:19] <astronut> i can't get attached to my wireless network..i did to a network at a hotel, but not at home... i thought i set everythign right, i can see the network, the router shows a connection with that MAC address on it, but i can't get a dhcp lease (or set it up using static values)....
[01:19] <seif> hi guys
[01:19] <LinuxJones> Nomad_1, you can sudo synaptic , then hit reload , then search for build-essential and install it from there
[01:19] <seif> how does one delte an entry out of gdm
[01:20] <seif> i installed xfce
[01:20] <linlin> there seems to be flying toasters and flying slices of bread on my ubuntu computer
[01:20] <skalpel> also, how can i play .wma files in ubuntu?
[01:20] <avanspronsen> astronut: u using WEP?
[01:20] <Seveas> seif, by removing the .desktop file or simply purging the program you don't want anymore
[01:20] <astronut> skalpel: depends if they have drm
[01:20] <skalpel> i do not think they do
[01:20] <astronut> avanspronsen: ya, i set key using iwconfig wlan0 key hexvalue
[01:20] <astronut> is that right way to do it?
[01:20] <skalpel> how can i find out?
[01:20] <seif> where od i find the .desktop files
[01:21] <astronut> seif: locate .desktop
[01:21] <avanspronsen> you can also do it via System | Admin | Networking
[01:21] <Seveas> seif, /usr/share/xsessions/
[01:21] <astronut> avanspronsen: yes, well, that didnt' work either
[01:21] <skalpel> astrnut: how can i check and see if they are protected?
[01:21] <astronut> also tried disabling wep
[01:22] <avanspronsen> astronut: can you connect if you temporarily disable WEP?
[01:22] <astronut> skalpel: protected?
[01:22] <astronut> avanspronsen: see above
[01:22] <astronut> i tried without it..may have done it wrong though...will try again
[01:22] <skalpel> astonut: drm protected.
[01:22] <seif> hmmmmmm
[01:22] <astronut> skalpel: oh, sorry, was confusing you with seif, i dunno
[01:22] <Seveas> skalpel, in that case: no way of playing them
[01:22] <skalpel> astronut: well, how would i go about playing non protected wma files in linux?
[01:23] <skalpel> seveas: i know, but i do not know if these are protected or not
[01:23] <Nomad_1> LinuxJones: I tried it both ways and came up with "Please insert the disk labeled: Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release amd64 (20050407) in drive /cdrom/" both times.
[01:23] <seif> i still can c an xfce entry in gdm alhtough there is no .desktop for it o
[01:23] <seif> only for gnome and fvwm
[01:23] <avanspronsen> astronut: you can use "cat /etc/network/interfaces" in a terminal window to confirm settings?
[01:23] <Seveas> seif, you need to restart gdm
[01:23] <astronut> avanspronsen: will, in one second, trying without wep
[01:23] <Nomad_1> LinuxJones: Is that the ubuntu "extra packages" disk.?
[01:23] <Seveas> or maybe even reboot
[01:23] <seif> i did
[01:24] <seif> i didi twice
[01:24] <avanspronsen> astronut: sounds good bud
[01:24] <seif> there was no entry
[01:24] <seif> in the xsession folde
[01:24] <seif> but still in the menu
[01:24] <wims> is it possible to check if a table contains a field named x ?
[01:24] <astronut> avanspronsen: doh
[01:24] <astronut> worked
[01:24] <LinuxJones> ma3x, ok first thing to do is comment out the cd reference in the file /etc/apt/sources.lst  >> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.lst
[01:24] <BollocksMacenzie> I just installed firestarter (firewall software) and for some reason I can run it from the menu with user privelidges, but when I set it to load with gnome it gives a root privelidges required error message! Why?
[01:24] <astronut> lets try with WEP now
[01:24] <wims> hmm sorry wrong channel
[01:24] <skalpel> how can i play unprotected wma files in ubuntu?
[01:24] <avanspronsen> astronut: whenever I have those symptoms it is always WEP :-)
[01:24] <LinuxJones> Nomad_1, sorry that was for you ^^
[01:25] <seif> :(
[01:26] <linlin> skalpel, try mplayer
[01:26] <kyncani> BollocksMacenzie: look into ubuntu-users mailing list, it has already been asked
[01:26] <Nomad_1> I'll give it a shot
[01:26] <LinuxJones> Nomad_1, once you make the change hit the reload button in synaptic and search for build-essential, then install it and you will be set.
[01:28] <Nomad_1> LinuxJones: <Nods>, I'll brb. Dinner time.
[01:28] <skalpel> linlin: thank you.
[01:28] <arbir> Mez... got it.. i hope it works soon. :-). also i see that postgresql is still in the 7.x series ? correct me if i am wrong
[01:28] <LinuxJones> Nomad_1, enjoy :)
[01:28] <arbir> Mez: POstgresql has now upgraded to the 8.x series
[01:29] <icewt> are the prebuilt mplayer 1.0-pre7 packages for ubuntu? the ones for debian (marillat) won't work because of unmet depencies :/
[01:29] <avanspronsen> LinuxJones: Hey Buddy :-)
[01:29] <f_newton> xvfj is the order for bz2
[01:29] <f_newton> ?
[01:29] <f_newton> well that didnt work well
[01:29] <BollocksMacenzie> What is the best firewall software anyhow, I'd like something which would allow me to connect to the internet through ethernet and through wireless... But can't seem to find a firewall program which would allow this without editing the configuration scripts by hand!
[01:29] <skalpel> why is'nt gnomebaker in the bugbuddy list?
[01:29] <Razor-X> I found a good book for those of you who want to thoroughly learn Linux
[01:29] <f_newton> BollocksMacenzie, firestarter is a gui frontend for iptables like shorewall
[01:30] <HrdwrBoB> firestarter is firewall interface software
[01:30] <HrdwrBoB> the firewall is implemented by the kernel in all cases
[01:30] <f_newton> BollocksMacenzie, if you want an auto configured firewall just stick with the default choices
[01:30] <Madpilot> Razor-X: which book?
[01:30] <asdx> I think my filesystem is currupted. and I can't boot
[01:31] <asdx> what shall I do?
[01:31] <Razor-X> Madpilot: SAMS UNIX System Administration - A beginners guide
[01:31] <avanspronsen> asdx: do you have a live CD?
[01:31] <asdx> yes
[01:31] <HrdwrBoB> ugh sams
[01:31] <asdx> I'm using reiserfs
[01:31] <Razor-X> well, it's SAMS, but it's pretty nice
[01:31] <Razor-X> least, I think it's SAMS
[01:31] <deprave> asdx: run fschk?
[01:31] <Razor-X> or is the author ``Sam'' hold on ;)
[01:31] <Madpilot> Razor-X: i've not been impressed by the Sam's books I've tried, but I'll see if the local library has it.
[01:31] <avanspronsen> asdx: I would try boot via the live cd and having a look
[01:32] <HrdwrBoB> I think if I need to read a beginners guide now, I'm in serious trouble
[01:32] <asdx> avanspronsen: ok
[01:32] <Madpilot> I prefer O'Reilly books, haven't seen a bad one yet
[01:32] <avanspronsen> asdx: try mounting the filesystem?
[01:32] <asdx> avanspronsen: Ok. just mounted
[01:32] <asdx> avanspronsen: my files are there
[01:32] <deprave> anyone ever used tripwire here?
[01:32] <Razor-X> HrdwrBoB: it's for those who want to learn Linux ground up
[01:32] <HrdwrBoB> Razor-X: I realise that
[01:32] <amonkey> what package is the oggdec command part of?
[01:33] <avanspronsen> asdx: maybe just a grub problem?
[01:33] <Razor-X> O' Reiley's books are pretty nice
[01:33] <Razor-X> they have a real nice emacs book out
[01:33] <asdx> avanspronsen: grub works
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> deprave: I used it once but I didn't end up with enough time to do it properly
[01:33] <Razor-X> and a nice book on RegExps as well
[01:33] <asdx> avanspronsen: the ubuntu init scripts said that I should run reiserfsck --rebuild-tree
[01:33] <Razor-X> no, not SAMS
[01:33] <BollocksMacenzie> f_newton: I could do with something a little more complex, but I can't really be bothered to do all the fidly bits! And then there is the factor that firestarter wont load on boot!
[01:33] <Razor-X> the guy's name is Sam ;)
[01:33] <asdx> avanspronsen: but that will not lost my files right?
[01:34] <asdx> I have important files there
[01:34] <avanspronsen> asdx: ok, I haven't run into that before
[01:34] <asdx> --rebuild-tree : force fsck to rebuild filesystem from scratch (takes a long time)
[01:34] <asdx> :S
[01:34] <Razor-X> can parted based software merge free space into partitions?
[01:35] <asdx> I will do a backup of my files first
[01:35] <avanspronsen> asdx: sounds "ify" I would try to backup first
[01:35] <avanspronsen> asdx :-)
[01:35] <asdx> :P
[01:35] <avanspronsen> asdx: good luck!
[01:35] <redtech> jasoncohen: hey I just wanted to say thanks again. My wifes pc is still kicking and hasnt exhibited any further problems.
[01:35] <asdx> avanspronsen: thx
[01:35] <gilv> the package of sbcl for Lisp in hoary is 0.8, it's out-dated, and doesn't support utf8, it should be the 0.9 release, where i get a better package ?
[01:35] <Razor-X> actually, I have quite a few books to read
[01:35] <avanspronsen> asdx: np bud
[01:35] <Razor-X> gilv: compile away
[01:36] <Razor-X> I haven't thoroughly read through the RegExp book, I still have my Ruby book to finish, and I have an exim book
[01:36] <Zodiac> hello
[01:36] <Veon> Hi guys, I'm new to both Ubuntu and Linux. I'm thinking about changing theme, but when I go to Computer > Desktop Preferences, which I'm supposed to I can't find anything called Desktop Preferences in my Computer :S Anyone know what I could do?
[01:36] <Razor-X> and they're all like, 600 pages long ;)
[01:36] <Zodiac> Quick question,,,
[01:36] <gilv> Razor-X: isn't there an address to add in sources.list to get an upgrade ?
[01:36] <Zodiac> What Totem codec do I need to play WMV files??
[01:37] <mjr> Zodiac, for old wmvs, gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg may do; for newer ones, there aren't linux codecs. You may be able to make do with w32codecs and totem-xine, if you're running on x86.
[01:37] <Razor-X> gilv: you can, but, i'm not sure if sbcl has one
[01:37] <amonkey> how can i get oggdec
[01:37] <Razor-X> look on the sbcl site
[01:37] <Madpilot> Veon: System - Prefs - Themes
[01:37] <Razor-X> is Computer -> Desktop Preferences a Windows thing?
[01:37] <cafuego> what?
[01:38] <Madpilot> Razor-X: might be. I'm forgetting my Windows trivia as fast as I can...
[01:38] <cafuego> Razor-X: No, it's not.
[01:38] <Razor-X> cafuego: what is it?
[01:38] <Veon> I wish I installed Ubuntu in English :S Easyer to follow directions :P
[01:38] <cafuego> Razor-X: Settings -> Display -> [Desktop tab] 
[01:38] <Razor-X> Veon: what language do you speak?
[01:38] <Veon> I found it! Thank you :D
[01:38] <Razor-X> cafuego: ahh, there you go
[01:38] <Veon> I talk Norwegian ;)
[01:39] <cafuego> AH, norsk!
[01:39] <Razor-X> Veon: if you know the two letter language code for that
[01:39] <Razor-X> (like en for English)
[01:39] <Veon> no
[01:39] <Razor-X> then, #ubuntu-<two-letter language code>
[01:39] <Zodiac> yea I do run totem xine... with that gstreamer codec mess up my system???
[01:39] <Razor-X> ;)
[01:39] <Razor-X> and they probably speak Norweigan
[01:39] <mjr> Zodiac, if you run totem-xine, gstreamer codecs won't affect totem in any way
[01:39] <cafuego> Veon: You can easily make your Ubuntu be english.
[01:39] <Veon> Yeah, but I found the theme maneger ;) So, thanx :)
[01:39] <Zodiac> I see
[01:40] <Veon> I do it b4 I login, right?
[01:40] <Zodiac> Well I am going to give the W32 codecs a go...
[01:40] <BollocksMacenzie> kyncani: Looked, not there!
[01:40] <Zodiac> and see what happens
[01:40] <cafuego> Veon: You do it in a config file (or two).
[01:40] <Veon> But I tried to login with English, but the system crashed!
[01:40] <Madpilot> Veon: there's a #ubuntu-no group here if that helps
[01:41] <conflikt> hey
[01:41] <Veon> Maybe later if I need it ;) I found the help I needed ;) Thanx.
[01:41] <conflikt> so yea i got my specs so i can fix my video
[01:41] <cafuego> Veon: You need to edit /etc/locale.gen (Add en_UK.UTF-8 UTF-8); run 'locale-gen' and sert your vars to en_UK.
[01:41] <sun_> hi i have a .deb which i would like to install.  i did dpkg -i file.deb and it worked.  i tried out the program and everythign's fine.  however it has a dependency on libc one revision higher than that in ubuntu (ie debian testing).  so at the next opportunity aptitude wants to uninstall it.  how do i tell aptitude to "leave it alone"
[01:41] <Razor-X> can parted based applications merge free space into partitions?
[01:42] <Razor-X> cafuego: or en_US, if you want American English ;)
[01:42] <cafuego> Razor-X: only contiguous free space.
[01:42] <Veon> Ok, thank you. :)
[01:42] <cafuego> Razor-X: No, he's european. They're not permitted en_US.
[01:42] <Razor-X> cafuego: hmm, but, it can't resize a partition, and merge free space in one step?
[01:42] <Veon> I'll be on my way now. Thanx for all the help guys! :)
[01:42] <Razor-X> cafuego: I know where Norway is ;)
[01:42] <cafuego> Razor-X: Not without moving partitons; I don't know if it can do that.
[01:43] <Razor-X> hmm.... :(
[01:43] <Razor-X> lemme see if PMagic can, if so, i'll have to go to my friend and borrow his disk -- again
[01:43] <sun_> hi i have a .deb which i would like to install.  i did
[01:43] <sun_>           dpkg -i file.deb and it worked.  i tried out the
[01:43] <sun_>           program and everythign's fine.  however it has a
[01:43] <sun_>           dependency on libc one revision higher than that in
[01:43] <sun_>           ubuntu (ie debian testing).  so at the next
[01:43] <sun_>           opportunity aptitude wants to uninstall it.  how do
[01:43] <sun_>           i tell aptitude to "leave it alone"
[01:43] <Razor-X> sun_: paste in pastebin
[01:43] <cafuego> Razor-X: Yes, PMAgic can.
[01:43] <Razor-X> cafuego: coolness ;)
[01:43] <amonkey> what can i use to decode mp3s to RAW?
[01:44] <cafuego> sun_: Um, don't install debian packages with broken depends. install Ubuntu packages.
[01:44] <asdx> amonkey: lame
[01:44] <asdx> amonkey: lame --decode file.mp3 will decode to raw/wav
[01:44] <Zodiac> ha ha
[01:44] <Zodiac> That worke
[01:44] <amonkey> asdx, /me slaps head
[01:44] <amonkey> thanks
[01:44] <asdx> amonkey: :)
[01:44] <Zodiac> Thanks mjr :) !!!
[01:44] <sun_> cafuego ubuntu has it in multiverse but refuses to install it because of the depend?
[01:44] <mjr> shure
[01:45] <sun_> its called nut-nutrition
[01:46] <sun_> whats ubuntu backports project?
[01:46] <Determinist> anyone tried that gdm over VNC thing yet? i cant seem to make it work right on my machine
[01:46] <Mez> !backports
[01:46] <ubotu> methinks backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[01:46] <HrdwrBoB> sun_: bringing new applications to hoary
[01:46] <HrdwrBoB> (firefox, gainm, etc)
[01:47] <HrdwrBoB> gaim
[01:47] <levander> Anybody know how to specify the device to cdrecord for a cd drive when using cdrecord, when the cd drive is IDE?  I've been using just /dev/hdc, but cdrecord gives me a warning.  Anybody know how it's supposed to be done?
[01:47] <amonkey> asdx, does that decode to stdout cuz i'm trying to pipe it into justeport
[01:47] <deprave> what filesystem do i specify for mounting a floppy drive?
[01:47] <mjr> levander, you're supposed to happily ignore the warning
[01:47] <levander> Ubuntu is launching so many projects, you gotta wonder how they're gonna keep up with them all...
[01:48] <levander> deprave: the device file is /dev/fd0
[01:48] <asdx> amonkey: I don't know, honestly..
[01:48] <levander> deprave: don't know what you mean by which filesystem
[01:48] <deprave> well when i mount /media/floppy it requests me to specify filesystem
[01:48] <evilmegaman> Hi
[01:48] <levander> mjr: but that damn warning is filling up my log
[01:48] <avanspronsen> deprave: fat?
[01:48] <Razor-X> deprave: is it fat?
[01:48] <HrdwrBoB> levander: cdrecord is written by very special people
[01:48] <mjr> "special" indeed
[01:48] <mjr> levander, so, patch it out :)
[01:49] <deprave> it probably is, how do i format it to whatever linux uses by default
[01:49] <levander> HrdwrBoB: meaning?
[01:49] <evilmegaman> I was wondering, How do I get the fglrx driver working and get ubuntu to stop using mesa3d?
[01:49] <levander> mjr: yeah, right
[01:49] <asdx> amonkey: I just do like: for i in *.mp3 ; do lame --decode "$i" ; done. and then I have all my mp3s decoded to wav :P
[01:49] <amonkey> what's the key to reset a terminal?
[01:49] <HrdwrBoB> levander: well it's technical supported platform is solaris
[01:49] <levander> HrdwrBoB: ahhhh
[01:49] <mjr> levander, special in the way that they think you shouldn't be using evil ide burners at all, or at least you should refer to them with some made-up SCSI bus address. Or something like that.
[01:50] <LokeDK> isn't there a way to list all hidden directoryes (.*) with ls? ls .* lists them, but also lists what they contains
[01:50] <levander> HrdwrBoB: well, at least cdrecord works.  I spent two days of free time, and part of a third trying to write to a dvdrw with udftools.
[01:50] <mjr> LokeDK, ls -d .*
[01:50] <bimberi> LokeDK: ls -a
[01:50] <BollocksMacenzie> Enough of this for 1 night, it's 1am (almost) and I was planning to get up a little early tommorow!
[01:50] <levander> HrdwrBoB: I'm convinced that package just doesn't work.
[01:50] <HrdwrBoB> levander: yeah it works, but apparently it's an accident, according to the main developer
[01:50] <levander> BollocksMacenzie: lol @ was planning
[01:50] <HrdwrBoB> but yeah I haven't used anything aside from that recently
[01:50] <LokeDK> ah thx
[01:51] <BollocksMacenzie> toodles!
[01:51] <levander> HrdwrBoB: wish ubuntu would put some resources into optical drives instead of all these side projects they've got going
[01:51] <HrdwrBoB> levander: what needs to be done?
[01:51] <HrdwrBoB> nautilus reads and writes CDs and DVDs on a basic level
[01:51] <kaffeend> hello again... trying to mount this Ubuntu AMD 64 .ISO I installed Nero and ran a wizard for mounting (burning) an .ISO image onto the disc, but after the burn the file on the disc is a winRAR file - can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong please? I'm quickly running out of discs here
[01:51] <HrdwrBoB> and iirc breezy can burn music CDs
[01:51] <JaZy84> hey Seveas you still here
[01:51] <JaZy84> i did that sed thing
[01:52] <equex> i wonder why i dont get OpenGL working on my Radeon9200, i installed the drivers from ATI, the module appears to be loaded (appears in lsmod) still it is in Mesa Indirect mode.. xorg.conf says its enabled. any ideas?
[01:52] <HrdwrBoB> kaffeend: you've burnt the iso onto a CD as a file
[01:52] <JaZy84> and i'm getting ALOT of packages that are being kept back. it didn't upgrade
[01:52] <JaZy84> from what i see.
[01:52] <nox> use k3b
[01:52] <conflikt> does ubuntu have it its own hardware configuer because i just downloaded my driver and installed
[01:52] <HrdwrBoB> kaffeend: you need to burn it as an image
[01:52] <JaZy84> how can i get around it holding back packages
[01:52] <levander> HrdwrBoB: well, cdrecord that has proper output would be nice.  I have to log cdrecord output from cron so I don't get all these emails from cron.  Like the UNIX way, only emails when something fails under cron.
[01:52] <evilmegaman> equex I am here for the exact same reason
[01:52] <levander> HrdwrBoB: and, more importantly, udftools does not work. I'm convinced of it after spending three days of free time trying to get it to work.
[01:52] <mjr> equex, dunno about the ATI binary driver, but by the way, 9200 _should_ work accelerated with the default free driver also
[01:52] <equex> evilmegaman: lol
[01:53] <kaffeend> HrdwrBoB I was informed by the Nero Wizard that that's exactly what it was doing
[01:53] <equex> mjr: seems 2d acc is working , but GL doesnt work
[01:53] <levander> HrdwrBoB: can't mount a dvdrw and write to it like a normal filesystem at all under linux.  I don't think it's ubuntu specific
[01:53] <JaZy84> never mind need dist-upgrade not upgrade :P
[01:53] <evilmegaman> I have 9550 so I need the non free one
[01:53] <conflikt> and someone gimme a hand ?
[01:53] <cafuego> Isn't a 9550 just an ove4rclocked 9200?
[01:54] <evilmegaman> I suppose
[01:54] <evilmegaman> I don't think so
[01:54] <kaffeend> I began by making a data cd - should I have chosen Bootable disc?
[01:54] <fishie> omg i just shat my pants
[01:54] <fishie> :\
[01:54] <levander> Linux has always been a little behind when it comes to optical drives.  Remember when you use to have to switch your CD drive to be handled by ide-scsi to burn discs?  That was odd, and was advanced configuration of Linux, newb couldn't do it.
[01:54] <mjr> cafuego, nope
[01:55] <mjr> cafuego, the r300.sourceforge.net project is making good progress in supporting that and other newer radeons, but no release yet
[01:55] <kaffeend> levander - if you're talking to me, I have no idea what you just said :/
[01:55] <nox> how to install a new kernel?
[01:55] <nox> somebody told me something about "sudo apt-get install kern*"
[01:55] <nickrud> kaffeend, your answer is yes :)
[01:55] <nox> something like that
[01:56] <levander> kaffeend: was talking to HrdwrBoB, hopefully he understood
[01:56] <kaffeend> nickrud - you mean bootable disc?
[01:56] <nickrud> kaffeend, yes
[01:56] <kaffeend> okay
[01:56] <kaffeend> but it was gonna be 28 meg
[01:56] <HrdwrBoB> levander: ah
[01:57] <HrdwrBoB> levander: basically 'most' people just burn write-once DVDs using the GUI or gnomebaker etc
[01:57] <levander> those two things, and I'd be happy with optical drives under Linux, note that I really don't think it's ubuntu specific.  Think it's all of linux
[01:57] <avanspronsen> kaffeend: Nero has an option for writing an ISO.  The ISO once written will ensure the disc is bootable
[01:57] <levander> HrdwrBoB: true, most people
[01:57] <kaffeend> levander - similarly, Windows DOESN'T recognise SATA as anything BUT SCSI
[01:58] <ColonelKernel> rofl , my ban get refreshed in #fedora, banned since jul 8 for nuthin - introduced me to ubuntu though - thanks anvil
[01:58] <levander> kaffeend: but, you didn't have to reconfigure your drivers to recognize it as such under Windows.
[01:58] <Madpilot> if I'm messing around with adding my own scripts to BASH, should I stick them in .bashrc or .bash_profile?
[01:58] <acidspoon> hi @ll
[01:58] <levander> kaffeend: wouldn't have mattered to me if it was auto-handled for you
[01:58] <HrdwrBoB> levander: I'm using an SATA drive on two motherboards, both worked fine
[01:58] <kaffeend> levander - oh yes I did
[01:58] <acidspoon> kann mir jemand bitte sagen, wie ich grub wieder in den mbr schreibe
[01:58] <floppyears> Madpilot: .bashrc
[01:58] <levander> HrdwrBoB: I was talking history, they fixed the ide-scsi thing in kernel 2.6
[01:58] <acidspoon> mein windows liegt auf hda1
[01:58] <kaffeend> setup said there was no device detected
[01:58] <acidspoon> ubuntu auf hdb1
[01:58] <mjr> levander, packet writing support is available for Linux out of tree, but I agree it'd be nice if it was polished and made easily available and usable
[01:58] <Madpilot> floppyears: thanks.
[01:59] <HrdwrBoB> levander: yeah true
[01:59] <Madpilot> !de
[01:59] <ubotu> Madpilot: Wish i knew
[01:59] <gilv> what's the command to manually install a deb package ?
[01:59] <gilv> ubuntu.deb package
[01:59] <catolh> dpkg -i <package>
[01:59] <avanspronsen> gilv: dpkg -I
[01:59] <floppyears> gilv: dpkg -i
[01:59] <sdlkfz> i'm thinking about moving to ubuntu, what is the difference between that and Debian sid?
[02:00] <HrdwrBoB> sdlkfz: ubuntu is like debian only .. better
[02:00] <floppyears> sdlkfz: ubuntu has a much better community. Ubuntu is targeted more towards desktops, ubuntu has great docs and website
[02:00] <Zodiac> Ubuntu is greatness wrapped in pure sweetness
[02:00] <HrdwrBoB> for the desktop
[02:00] <evilmegaman> Can anyone tell me what I need to do to get the fglrx driver to take the place of mesa3d?
[02:00] <HrdwrBoB> for the server, there's little difference
[02:00] <sdlkfz> cool
[02:01] <gilv> floppyears: it will automatically erase or upgrade my old package installed with synaptics, right ?
[02:01] <sdlkfz> i've been trying out many linux flavors recently, and they have turned out better than i thought with just two annoying problems: installing java and playing this xvid file
[02:01] <sdlkfz> i know debian doesn't have a java deb file
[02:02] <kaffeend> Is it possible that someone here can give me a step by step on making this disc please? I know it's a lot to ask, but I am quite obviously thick as 6 bricks
[02:02] <equex> Ubuntu is greatness wrapped in pure sweetness <- ubuntu made me switch from windows after 10 years of it.. used amiga/etc. before that
[02:03] <ColonelKernel> Ubuntu is very nice, im in the process of migrating from windoze now
[02:03] <floppyears> gilv: it will install that package. If you already have a newer version of that package it won't downgrade.
[02:03] <HrdwrBoB> why does NFS give me load averages of ridiculous amounts
[02:03] <Madpilot> kaffeend: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BurningIsoHowto has Windows instructions
[02:03] <floppyears> gilv: it will install that package if it's newer than what you have on your system
[02:03] <equex> i havent booted windows in two weeks or so
[02:04] <kaffeend> Madpilot - tried that but I couldn't make much sense of it
[02:04] <equex> all that remains is to get OpenGL to work now :(
[02:04] <kaffeend> I'm REALLY tired
[02:04] <mjr> sdlkfz, there isn't prepackaged java for ubuntu either, but there is an automatic packager. As for xvid, gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg (or totem-xine) is required from universe so that totem will play those, due to patent restrictions
[02:04] <Madpilot> kafeine: it's only six steps - not sure how much simpler it could be made.
[02:05] <windex> question
[02:05] <faroh> linux-wlan-ng-X.Y.Z.tar.gz where can I find this file?
[02:05] <faroh> linux-wlan-ng-X.Y.Z.tar.gz where can I find this file?
[02:05] <windex> i appear to be missing manpages that exist in libc-dev packages on debian and i can't find them. e.g. pthread_create
[02:05] <sdlkfz> great, i'll try it out; i'm running yoper right now but it's community is small
[02:05] <mjr> sdlkfz, (of course, I was referring to Sun's java; the usual free java implementations are available, with their current limitations)
[02:05] <kaffeend> Madpilot - it directed me to download a beta something or other... that's where I got lost
[02:05] <sdlkfz> heh, yoper's website has been down all day
[02:06] <Madpilot> kaffeend: the ISO burning program? apparently Windows has no built-in ISO burners, which bites
[02:06] <kaffeend> and please treat me as simpler
[02:06] <kaffeend> found that out the hard way
[02:06] <Razor-X> any LaTeXers here right now?
[02:06] <sdlkfz> dvddecrypter is a good small iso burner
[02:06] <faroh> i have a sitecom wl-012 usb adapter, i have upgraded the wlan-ng package
[02:06] <faroh> but doesnt work
[02:06] <ColonelKernel> sdlkfz, works well in windoze, esp for ripping dvd's
[02:07] <Madpilot> kaffeend: http://isorecorder.alexfeinman.com/Beta.htm  <- very first link on this page is the file you want, I think
[02:07] <cafuego> Oooher.
[02:07] <faroh> i am under windows now because i can't get internet on my ubuntu
[02:07] <kaffeend> Madpilot - I do have Nero (now that I installed it on someone else's recommendation) can I not use that instead of this other thing?
[02:07] <windex> oohh.
[02:07] <windex> its in glibc-doc
[02:07] <windex> how silly.
[02:08] <nox> kaffeend, why don`t you just use k3b ?
[02:08] <Madpilot> kaffeend: no idea, I never used Nero. check the Nero docs to see if it'll burn ISOs
[02:08] <ColonelKernel> yes nero burns isos
[02:08] <sdlkfz> nero does
[02:08] <faroh> linux-wlan-ng-X.Y.Z.tar.gz where can I find this file?
[02:08] <cafuego> kaffeend: Recorder -> Burn Image
[02:08] <Madpilot> can someone who knows Nero help kaffeend?
[02:08] <kaffeend> Madpilot - I'll follow your link and your advice - thanks again everyone for putting up with me
[02:08] <Razor-X> ahhh, nevermind, my LaTeX was fixed
[02:09] <faroh> linux-wlan-ng-X.Y.Z.tar.gz where can I find this file?
[02:09] <cafuego> faroh: Nowhere.
[02:09] <sdlkfz> kaffeend: open nero, select burn image file, under file type choose All Files
[02:09] <kaffeend> I actually have slight brain damage which is quite restricting at times so I am slow to type and absorb some things
[02:09] <faroh> ??
[02:09] <cafuego> !find linux-wlan-ng
[02:09] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'linux-wlan-ng' (2 shown): linux-wlan-ng ;; linux-wlan-ng-doc.
[02:09] <sdlkfz> kaffeend: and find the iso
[02:09] <cafuego> faroh: apt-get install linux-wlan-ng
[02:10] <faroh> i did
[02:10] <faroh> but didnt worked
[02:10] <arbir> anybody uses PostgreSQL ?
[02:10] <faroh> he does find my usb adapter
[02:10] <cafuego> faroh: Is your card supported?
[02:10] <kaffeend> sldkfz thankyou for that
[02:10] <faroh> i have a prism2 card
[02:10] <faroh> 2.x
[02:10] <sdlkfz> kaffeend: so it worked?
[02:10] <cafuego> faroh: Probably not, then.
[02:11] <faroh> i tried everything but i won't work
[02:11] <cafuego> faroh: Why not just use the orinoco or prism driver?
[02:11] <faroh> orinico?
[02:11] <kaffeend> sdlkfz no  I haven't gotten that far yet :/
[02:11] <faroh> how do you mean
[02:11] <faroh> prism driver?
[02:12] <faroh> i tried  the drivers from my usb adpater
[02:12] <faroh> but wouldn't work
[02:12] <cafuego> I'm pretty sure the kernel has prism-usb drivers built-in.
[02:13] <faroh> but where?
[02:13] <faroh> i am a real newbie
[02:13] <faroh> i know my way around but it's new
[02:14] <kaffeend> sdlkfz I do not have those options anywhere in Nero that I can see - for example I could not find "burn image file"
[02:16] <kaffeend> my mistake I have found it! it is the only icon with a folder
[02:16] <sdlkfz> kaffeend: yea, it's easy to miss
[02:16] <crimsun> Mez: cat /proc/asound/modules
[02:16] <kaffeend> it is for me
[02:17] <sdlkfz> how new is ubuntu?
[02:17] <Discipulus> Pretty new
[02:17] <kaffeend> I must admit that I am almost overwhelmed by the enormity of this "project".
[02:17] <ColonelKernel> new distro, good distro, great support community
[02:17] <ColonelKernel> I havent seen any of the ops in here go nuts '
[02:17] <sdlkfz> looks like it
[02:17] <Arnia> hm. anyone here able to help me with some evangelism for a project?
[02:18] <ColonelKernel> cant say the same for  #fedora and #debian
[02:18] <sdlkfz> i looove debian as a server
[02:18] <ColonelKernel> debians a great distro with a very nasty channel
[02:18] <Arnia> I have a web page but I need someone who doesn't know anything about the project to tell me what bits make no sense
[02:18] <Mez> crimsun, I'm in breezy atm
[02:18] <sdlkfz> about a year ago #debian was really helpful
[02:18] <ColonelKernel> fedora is a weak distro with a nasty support channel
[02:18] <Xenguy> ColonelKernel: you just have to know who to /ignore :-)
[02:19] <Madpilot> Arnia: post the url?
[02:19] <crimsun> Mez: ping me when you're in Hoary again.
[02:19] <sdlkfz> i went in last week, and yea, not great
[02:19] <Arnia> Madpilot: http://www.dur.ac.uk/j.r.c.geldart/projects/frege/
[02:19] <ColonelKernel> Xenguy, kind of hard to ignore ops who ban you for nothing.
[02:19] <kaffeend> well, thankyou sdlkfz and others (sorry for not naming you all) for your advice and help - now I have a cd to burn
[02:19] <Mez> crimsun: give me a sec to finish making this pbuild and I will reboot
[02:19] <windex> ColonelKernel, debian people are just bitter from all the bad press recently. :)
[02:19] <Xenguy> ColonelKernel: they do not suffer foolish questions/behaviour for long, true
[02:19] <Mez> crimsun: see you on the flip side
[02:20] <ColonelKernel> Xenguy, they commit foolish/childish/bipolar behavior all the time. God forbid you actually ask some support questions.
[02:20] <transgress> keyboard.c: can't emulate rawmode for keycode 240
[02:20] <transgress> i keep getting that error in dmesg
[02:20] <Xenguy> ColonelKernel: meh, I agree and I disagree -- it depends
[02:21] <transgress> and it makes my bios beep
[02:21] <transgress> but i don't know what causes it
[02:21] <Madpilot> Arnia: well, very little of it makes sense - but that's me, not the writing. ;) Actually, for technical writing it seems clearer than most...
[02:21] <transgress> any help?
[02:21] <stan-am> hey guys
[02:21] <windex> transgress, you seem to be hitting a key that the keymap in the kernel does not know what to do with.
[02:21] <arbir> where can i find the latest PostgreSQl packages?
[02:21] <ColonelKernel> Xenguy, perhaps - when they put ops in there they know are bipolar and abusive, the channel is crap. THerefore the support is crap. Hence, the distro is crap for anyone but developers.
[02:21] <transgress> windex: it doesn't happen when i'm typing... it just happens seemingly continually
[02:21] <windex> transgress, do you perhaps have a logitech keyboard with a boat load of silly keys for navigation?
[02:21] <stan-am> does anyone have a url to download XML-PARSER?
[02:21] <Arnia> Madpilot: I'm trying to put the word around without a blog. Its a little tricky :)
[02:21] <arbir> i have tried in backports as well.. but i dont see the 8.x series of postgresql
[02:22] <transgress> windex: yes i do, but i'm not hitting any unmapped keys... this stuff happens while i sleep heh
[02:22] <Xenguy> ColonelKernel: Let's agree to disagree :-)
[02:22] <windex> transgress, hm. not sure then. your keyboard might be faulty and sending random keys? :) that error is almost always due to what i described above in my experience, but YMMV
[02:22] <cafuego> transgress: got a cat?
[02:22] <windex> +1 cafuego
[02:22] <transgress> cafuego: ha yes, but she isn't walking on the keyboard lol.
[02:22] <stan-am> hello?
[02:22] <stan-am> does anyone have a url to download XML-PARSER?
[02:23] <cafuego> transgress: I wouldn't be so sure...
[02:23] <cafuego> transgress: I know for a fact mine do, when I'm not looking.
[02:23] <windex> stan-am, perl module?
[02:23] <transgress> cafuego: well it just happened like 30 seconds ago, but i was standing up talking on the phone next to the keyboard
[02:23] <cafuego> One of the bastards actually typed stuff into a root shell.
[02:23] <stan-am> yes windex
[02:23] <stan-am> perl module
[02:23] <Geist|Patrick> hi
[02:24] <Madpilot> cafuego: reason #6442 not to run as root ;)
[02:24] <transgress> cafuego: haha teach you to leave a rootshell openh
[02:24] <windex> stan-am, 'sudo perl -MCPAN -e shell', then type 'install XML::Parser' into its prompt.
[02:24] <Discipulus> anyone here upgraded to the 2.6.11 kernel?
[02:24] <nJess> does ndiswrapper work in ubuntu 64?
[02:24] <ColonelKernel> Xenguy, nothing to disagree about really - for me, its pointless to use a distro if you go to the support channel and get banned by some crazy man for no reason. If you disagree I guess thats your preogative, maybe youre a developer or you know enough programming to figure out your own problems, but for someone who's looking to migrate from windoze, or learn more about linux, its really pointless to use a distro who's community is intent on discouragi
[02:24] <ColonelKernel> ng learning.
[02:24] <cafuego> transgress: I was only gone for 2 mins, to make a coffee.
[02:24] <windex> stan-am, you may need to do some configuration
[02:24] <Xenguy> ColonelKernel: I'm not arguing anymore
[02:24] <Mez> crimsun, ping
[02:24] <ColonelKernel> ok.
[02:24] <crimsun> Mez: pong
[02:25] <windex> stan-am, unless you have a funky network you can tell it you are not ready for configuration and it will use defaults.
[02:25] <ka234> Is GnomeBaker 0.4 going to be in the repositories some time?
[02:25] <Mez> crimsun am in hoary - wanna take this in private?
[02:25] <cafuego> !info gnomebaker breezy
[02:25] <crimsun> Mez: here's fine
[02:25] <ubotu> gnomebaker: (application for CD/DVD creation in the GNOME desktop), section universe/gnome, is optional. Version: 0.3+20050430-1 (breezy), Packaged size: 368 kB, Installed size: 1268 kB
[02:25] <Geist|Patrick> has someone an idea how to figure out the driverversion of ati's driver which is avaible in synaptic
[02:25] <cafuego> ka234: I wouldn't hole my breath
[02:25] <nJess> !ndiswrapper
[02:25] <ubotu> [ndiswrapper]  at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[02:25] <ka234> oh so its only for Breezy then?
[02:25] <ColonelKernel> what is gnomebaker?
[02:25] <Mez> crimsun make sure you say my name then or I'm more likely to miss it :D
[02:25] <crimsun> Mez: of course
[02:26] <cafuego> ka234: Probably; except it's not even in breezy yet.
[02:26] <Discipulus> !info gnomebaker hoary
[02:26] <ubotu> gnomebaker: (application for CD/DVD creation in the GNOME desktop), section universe/gnome, is optional. Version: 0.3-3 (hoary), Packaged size: 384 kB, Installed size: 1244 kB
[02:26] <Mez> crimsun, so whta first?
[02:26] <crimsun> Mez: cat /proc/asound/modules
[02:26] <Discipulus> ColonelKernel, a CD burning application
[02:26] <stan-am> windex what was that command??
[02:26] <windex> stan-am, did that help?
[02:27] <Mez> 0 snd_cmipci
[02:27] <Mez> 1 snd_bt87x
[02:27] <Mez> 2 snd_usb_audio
[02:27] <Mez> crimsun ^^
[02:27] <Geist|Patrick> i reconfigured xserver and get following output:
[02:27] <Geist|Patrick> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/884
[02:27] <crimsun> Mez: which do you want to use?
[02:27] <Discipulus> anyone using 2.6.11?
[02:27] <stan-am> i got some manual configuration thing
[02:27] <Mez> crimsun, 0
[02:27] <windex> stan-am, 'sudo perl -MCPAN -e shell' to launch cpan, then 'install XML::Parser' into that program
[02:27] <Geist|Patrick> is this correct
[02:27] <stan-am> what is cpan?
[02:27] <wardhana> helo,,,
[02:27] <crimsun> Mez: paste the output from amixer onto paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[02:27] <stan-am> sorry im such a newbie...
[02:27] <cafuego> windex: No!
[02:28] <windex> cafuego, hm?
[02:28] <cafuego> stan-am: cpan is a perl archive. Do NOT do what windex said.
[02:28] <wardhana> help me ...
[02:28] <cafuego> windex: dh-make-perl
[02:28] <windex> cafuego, and that does?
[02:28] <Discipulus> cafuego, why shouldn't he run that comman?
[02:28] <Discipulus> cafuego, why shouldn't he run that command?
[02:28] <cafuego> windex: turns cpan downloads into .deb files
[02:28] <windex> cafuego, when installing perl modules, cpan is usually the place to start.
[02:28] <flodine> hello can someone help me with openbox please
[02:28] <wardhana> what i do if my password lost
[02:29] <cafuego> Discipulus: it will install fiels the package system doesn't know about.
[02:29] <Mez> crimsun, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/885
[02:29] <wardhana> ?
[02:29] <windex> cafuego, ok? and? :)
[02:29] <windex> right.
[02:29] <cafuego> windex: This is normally considered BAD>
[02:29] <stan-am> how do i know if xml got installed windex?
[02:29] <cafuego> dh-make-perl --cpan XML::Parser
[02:29] <windex> cafuego, depends. many packages in cpan aren't in the apt repositories.
[02:29] <crimsun> Mez: that's all the output?
[02:30] <cafuego> windex: Correct, that's what dh-make-perl is *for*
[02:30] <stan-am> how do i know if xml got installed windex?
[02:30] <windex> stan-am, if cpan completed and came back to a prompt, it's likely done.
[02:30] <stan-am> it didnt
[02:30] <Mez> crimsun - from amixer yes
[02:30] <stan-am> crap...
[02:30] <cafuego> The above example creates libperlxml-parser_foo.deb
[02:30] <windex> stan-am, what did it do?
[02:30] <windex> stan-am, is it still running?
[02:30] <cafuego> Which you can then install (and manage) via the normal tools.
[02:30] <flodine> someone running openbox help me
[02:30] <crimsun> Mez: then 1.0.6's asound.state is incompatible with 1.0.9b's for your card
[02:31] <stan-am>   Is already unwrapped into directory /root/.cpan/build/XML-Parser-2.34
[02:31] <stan-am>   Has already been processed within this session
[02:31] <stan-am> Running make test
[02:31] <stan-am>   Can't test without successful make
[02:31] <stan-am> Running make install
[02:31] <stan-am>   make had returned bad status, install seems impossible
[02:31] <cafuego> So you don't get files that a normal upgrade might not expect and BREAK on.
[02:31] <wardhana> alooo
[02:31] <Mez> crimsun, wha?
[02:31] <wardhana> what i do if my password lost
[02:31] <windex> stan-am, hrm..
[02:31] <cafuego> stan-am: 'sudo apt-get install dh-make-perl'
[02:31] <stan-am> lemme see cafuego
[02:31] <windex> stan-am, yeah do what cafuego is saying.
[02:31] <windex> stan-am, his way is technically better.
[02:31] <cafuego> stan-am: Then 'dh-make-perl --cpan XML::Parser'
[02:31] <crimsun> Mez: you need to delete /var/lib/alsa/asound.state after unloading all the modules, then reinsert them
[02:32] <cafuego> s/technically/
[02:32] <snivitz0> How do I give Nautilus a transparent background?
[02:32] <Mez> crimsun: so I cant use sound in breezy and in hoary?
[02:32] <crimsun> Mez: you will have to do this everytime you boot back into Hoary after running Breezy.
[02:32] <cafuego> stan-am: .. when that finished, you have a new .deb file you can install. it MAY or may not give you errros/warnings when you install it, due to windex'es command failing.
[02:33] <Mez> crimsun, is it not possible to backport it?
[02:33] <stan-am> then how can i install that file cafuego?
[02:33] <windex> cafuego, it should be fine, his cpan error meant it bailed out.
[02:33] <crimsun> Mez: sure, it's possible, but you'll have to watch the versioned depends.
[02:33] <cafuego> stan-am: See if it works first
[02:33] <Mez> crimsun, what would I need to backport
[02:33] <cafuego> !find xml-parser
[02:33] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'xml-parser' (3 shown): libxml-parser-perl ;; libxml-parser-ruby1.6 ;; libxml-parser-ruby1.8.
[02:33] <cafuego> jesus, it's already apckages anyway
[02:33] <cafuego> stan-am: 'sudo apt-get install libxml-parser-perl'
[02:33] <crimsun> Mez: anything that alsa-base and alsa-utils touch.
[02:34] <cafuego> stan-am: .. done.
[02:34] <Flying_Eagle> howdy
[02:34] <stan-am> cafuego: i did, it sez " The following NEW packages will be installed:
[02:34] <stan-am>   dh-make-perl libyaml-perl
[02:34] <stan-am> 0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
[02:34] <stan-am> Need to get 80.3kB of archives.
[02:34] <stan-am> After unpacking 328kB of additional disk space will be used.
[02:34] <stan-am> Do you want to continue [Y/n] ? y
[02:34] <stan-am> Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe libyaml-perl 0.35-1 [60.2kB] 
[02:34] <stan-am> Get:2 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe dh-make-perl 0.12 [20.1kB] 
[02:34] <stan-am> Fetched 80.3kB in 7s (10.1kB/s)
[02:34] <stan-am> "
[02:34] <crimsun> stan-am: please don't flood
[02:34] <cafuego> stan-am: Thank you for not pasting into the channel.
[02:34] <Mez> crimsun- touch ?
[02:34] <bimberi> wardhana: boot into recovery mode and change it with "passwd <username>"
[02:34] <Mez> you mean rdepends/
[02:34] <stan-am> cafuego: sorry dude
[02:34] <cafuego> stan-am: 'sudo apt-get install libxml-parser-perl'
[02:34] <cafuego> stan-am: it's already prepackaged.
[02:34] <wardhana> any human
[02:34] <wardhana> here
[02:35] <bimberi> wardhana: boot into recovery mode and change it with "passwd <username>"
[02:35] <wardhana> aloooo
[02:35] <wardhana> ya
[02:35] <Mez> crimsun: wouldnt I just have to backport alsa-base and alsa-utils?
[02:35] <crimsun> Mez: sec, phone
[02:35] <Mez> kk crimsun poke me when back
[02:36] <Gorth> GUYS
[02:36] <stan-am> cafuego: it did set up some things, is there anything else i can do to check it did work?
[02:36] <cafuego> GIRLS
[02:36] <Gorth> MR LINUX DIDN'T LET ME SET A ROOT PASSWORD DURING SETUP :(
[02:36] <cafuego> stan-am: it worked.
[02:36] <cafuego> Gorth: So?
[02:36] <Gorth> how am i supposed to log into root?!
[02:36] <stan-am> cafuego: thanks a lot bro!
[02:36] <cafuego> Gorth: Why do you thjink you need one?
[02:36] <stan-am> u rule man
[02:36] <stan-am> hehe
[02:36] <cafuego> Gorth: The idea is you log in as normal user and use 'sudo'.
[02:36] <wardhana> boot into recovery mode ?
[02:36] <Flying_Eagle> gorth: sudo passwd root
[02:37] <wardhana> how boot into recovery mode ?
[02:37] <Gorth> thanks eagle
[02:37] <windex> stan-am, sorry i couldn't help better. turns out i'm retarded. :D
[02:37] <wardhana> more detail
[02:37] <glick> excuse me, does anyone know where i can find a good personal budgeting/finance program?
[02:38] <stan-am> windex: u guys know what u r talking about, im just lost in this command jungle, fucking windows fried my mind for too many years
[02:38] <cafuego> glick: CafuegoBank will help you. Would you mind eating noodles for the next 4 years?
[02:38] <stan-am> windex: thx a lot for ure help too dude
[02:38] <glick> im serious
[02:38] <pax> !find kmymoney2
[02:38] <ubotu> kmymoney2: (Personal finance manager for KDE), section universe/utils, is optional. Version: 0.6.4-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 1452 kB, Installed size: 4156 kB
[02:38] <sdlkfz> glick: i hear gnucash is good
[02:38] <windex> stan-am, well, as it turns out, inferior perl module distribution systems have fried my mind for too many years.
[02:38] <cafuego> glick: Gnucash?
[02:38] <bimberi> wardhana: reboot your PC; when the grub menu appears use the arrow keys to select the option with "(recovery mode)" at the end; press Enter
[02:38] <chaps0063> how do I get a higher version than 1.0.2 of firefox?
[02:39] <chaps0063> I tried apt-get install mozilla-firefox and now its not working right
[02:39] <Gorth> dobo@bunito:~$ sudo passwd root
[02:39] <Gorth> Password:
[02:39] <Gorth> Sorry, try again.
[02:39] <cafuego> chaps0063: The security updates archives carry 1.0.6 atm.
[02:39] <stan-am> windex: i wish i knew wtf im doin in front of the console
[02:39] <stan-am> windex: hehe
[02:39] <cafuego> chaps0063: Do you have those enabled in sources.list?
[02:39] <windex> stan-am, just remember the worst thing that can happen is that you have to reinstall. :)
[02:39] <cafuego> stan-am: In 10 more eyars, you will.
[02:40] <chaps0063> cafuego: I think so...how do I get apt-get to stop trying with the current downloaded updates?
[02:40] <crimsun> Mez: back. No, you'd have to tweak their build-depends, too, and consequently their respective depends.
[02:40] <cafuego> Gorth: 'sudo -s' "your password" - voila, root shell.
[02:40] <bimberi> Gorth: try life without a root account; it takes a bit of getting used to but it works
[02:40] <windex> cafuego, oddly, that's about how long i've been using linux, and i'm still missing pieces. :D
[02:40] <crimsun> Mez: you'll see when you try.
[02:40] <stan-am> windex,cafuego: i already re formatted 6 times... ive been using ubuntu for less than a month
[02:40] <cafuego> chaps0063: Just ctrl-c it
[02:40] <Gorth> everyone: :(
[02:40] <dibbon> I happen to be an avid root lover
[02:40] <floppyears> chaps0063: apt-get clean
[02:40] <chaps0063> it has stopped but with errors...
[02:40] <cafuego> Gorth: 'sudo -s' "your password" - voila, root shell.
[02:40] <stan-am> windex, cafuego: i guess thats the only way to learn
[02:40] <Mez> crimsun: I may have to tweak their depends ... but they are the two packages that I backport - yes?
[02:40] <windex> stan-am, hah! :) see, from wasting all the time on reinstalling, you'll eventually train yourself to read docs first.
[02:40] <floppyears> Gorth: try sudo -i
[02:41] <cafuego> stan-am: By fucking up somewhat massively, yes indeed :-)
[02:41] <crimsun> Mez: iirc, you will touch discover and hotplug, too, but it has been a couple months
[02:41] <stan-am> windex: wise words
[02:41] <stan-am> cafuego: haha
[02:41] <cafuego> Gorth: Step one is realising you have no need for a root shell.
[02:41] <Gorth> ...
[02:41] <Gorth> guys this is crazy
[02:41] <JaZy84> can someone help me with a codec problem i installed vlc.. i can get video to play but no audio
[02:42] <chaps0063> cafuego: it tells me to try apt-get -f install
[02:42] <cafuego> Gorth: Think outside the box, c'mon.. you can do it.
[02:42] <crimsun> JaZy84: are you using the default Hoary sound settings?
[02:42] <windex> Gorth, no its not. really, you do not need to run everyday applications as root. if you need a root shell, use sudo /bin/bash
[02:42] <bimberi> Gorth: crazy?
[02:42] <chaps0063> cafuego: and i do that and it doesn't work out.
[02:42] <JaZy84> i have a mp3 and i tried playing with toem but was told that no decoder was found.
[02:42] <JaZy84> ..
[02:42] <floppyears> JaZy84: try mplayer it has very good codec support
[02:42] <JaZy84> i think so
[02:42] <stan-am> windex, cafuego: its just that im not used to run a command in order to make the OS do things automatically, im used to download zips and running exes
[02:42] <crimsun> JaZy84: then you need to install 'vlc-esd'
[02:42] <cafuego> chaps0063: Hmm. Mebbe continue 'im then (type sudo apt-get -f install and let it finish)
[02:42] <JaZy84> thanks crimsun
[02:42] <JaZy84> i'll try that.
[02:42] <Gorth> i don't use root for everyday stuff
[02:42] <pax> Gorth: sudo passwd root <yourpass> (nock yourself out)
[02:42] <Gorth> just setting privileges and whatnot
[02:42] <chaps0063> cafuego: it doesn't finish.
[02:42] <cafuego> Gorth: yeah, sudo is great for that.
[02:42] <floppyears> Gorth: run root only when absolutely necessary
[02:43] <cafuego> Gorth: And you only need your _own_ password.
[02:43] <gigaclon> Gorth, sudo is the bomb
[02:43] <windex> Gorth, thats fine, use sudo /bin/bash. sudo is more secure than enabling a root password. i promise. :)
[02:43] <Xenguy> Gorth: it's a different security model, and there are pro's and con's -- read more on the web site for gory details
[02:43] <cafuego> Gorth: You'll be used to it after a day, I promise :-)
[02:43] <stan-am> windex, cafuego: its just that im not used to run a command in order to make the OS do things automatically, im used to download zips and running exes
[02:43] <Mez> crimsun: hmm
[02:43] <stan-am> windex, cafuego: i just cannot get used to all o those commands
[02:43] <sklp> sudo owns ;-)
[02:43] <chaps0063> cafuego: it talks about a broken pipe...
[02:43] <Gorth> whenever i try sudo for ANYTHING
[02:43] <Gorth> it asks for a password
[02:43] <Xenguy> Gorth: personally, I tried the 'new sudo' method and absolutely hated it ;-)
[02:43] <cafuego> Gorth: YOUR password
[02:43] <Arnia> Gorth: Enter your own password
[02:43] <floppyears> Gorth: you type in your own password
[02:43] <Gorth> OH
[02:43] <cafuego> Gorth: Not a root password
[02:43] <gigaclon> Gorth, use your user password
[02:43] <Gorth> hahaha
[02:43] <Gorth> sorry guys
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[02:44] <windex> someone does not know how sudo works! :D
[02:44] <Gorth> i've never used it
[02:44] <cafuego> Gorth: basically, anything needing to run as root, put sudo in front of it.
[02:44] <Gorth> ...
[02:44] <cafuego> Gorth: if you need a shell, 'sudo -s'
[02:44] <JaZy84> crimsun will i have to reboot, cuz i instlled it through apt.. ran again and still no change.
[02:44] <Gorth> does this mean that any user can do sudo?!
[02:44] <windex> oh, that too
[02:44] <windex> i always just sudo /bin/bash
[02:45] <cafuego> Gorth: No, ONLY users in the 'admin' group.
[02:45] <crimsun> JaZy84: no, you don't have to reboot.
[02:45] <pax> Gorth: have to be in the sudoers list
[02:45] <wardhana> i did`nt wrote password first installation
[02:45] <windex> Gorth, only users in the 'admin' group, which the default user is in
[02:45] <wardhana> ???
[02:45] <cafuego> Gorth: Which by default is ONLY the user you added during install.
[02:45] <floppyears> Gorth: no, you can set that up with visudo
[02:45] <JaZy84> no dice on that.. is there a codec pack?
[02:45] <jasoncohen> redtech, i'm glad i could help
[02:45] <wardhana> so can`nt login...
[02:45] <crimsun> JaZy84: you need to restart vlc, of course
[02:45] <JaZy84> duh :P
[02:45] <JaZy84> i did, and still nothing
[02:45] <cafuego> Gorth: You can fiddle with the config file and say add root access for specific users for only specific commands etc. Very nice.
[02:46] <windex> or you can add everyone you want to have root access to the admin group
[02:46] <crimsun> JaZy84: gstreamer0.8-mad installed?
[02:46] <chaps0063>  /var/cache/apt/archives/firefox_1.0.6-1ubuntu1~5.04ubp1_i386.deb...E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:46] <bimberi> wardhana: if you boot into recovery mode you won't be asked for a password
[02:46] <stan-am> windex, cafuego: whats the sudo apt-get command to get a C compiler installed_
[02:46] <windex> or you can decide to let everyone become root and put NOPASSWD: in the flags.
[02:46] <JaZy84> not sure
[02:46] <wardhana> i did`nt wrote password first installation, so i can not login. what i must do...????
[02:46] <cafuego> wardhana: Reboot the machine, choose 'Recovery Mode' from the menu. Wait for a shell, type 'passwd username' - set a password.
[02:46] <cafuego> stan-am: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[02:46] <Octane> anyone know why did installing htdig create a directory named 'htdig' in my /var/www that is filled with some random images?
[02:47] <windex> stan-am, my reccomendation is to install the following (via sudo aptitude install ..): gcc bison g++ manpages-dev glibc-doc automake autoconf
[02:47] <Gorth> welp
[02:47] <JaZy84> no doesn't look like it was
[02:47] <Gorth> thanks guys
[02:47] <Gorth> time to go help grandma :O
[02:47] <windex> stan-am, that should give you enough utilities and manpages to do most compiler related tasks.
[02:47] <chaps0063> any thoughts on that error?
[02:47] <cafuego> chaps0063: Ok, 'sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/firefox_1.0.6-1ubuntu1 ....'
[02:47] <stan-am> windex, cafuego: superv guys, i better get my notepad n start takin note :P
[02:47] <wardhana> i did`nt found the choosing 'Recovery Mode' or anythink
[02:48] <cafuego> chaps0063: Then check for the ACTUAL error.
[02:48] <ubuntu> this is me first time using linux
[02:48] <JaZy84> i installed it still same problem. no audio.. as far as movies/mp3
[02:48] <bimberi> Octane: that will be files for the htdig web interface.  Try looking at http://localhost/htdig
[02:48] <chris_> anybody experience with asus_acpi (or other acpi modules)? I'm trying to get my asus-notebook hotkeys running, everything works fine, the only problem is, that it's executed 2 times (always), so it does not make sense since it turns off wlan and then 1 sec after again on - and I just do not get the error
[02:48] <windex> stan-am, :)
[02:48] <Xenguy> ubuntu: congrats :-)
[02:48] <Octane> bimberi: there are no index files in there or anything else though
[02:48] <cafuego> ubuntu: ... and you got it online and on irc first try; good job :-)
[02:48] <chaps0063> cafuego:  trying to overwrite `/var/lib/mozilla-firefox/extensions.d/00classic', which is also in package mozilla-firefox
[02:49] <ubuntu> yeah, I`m using ubuntu live-CD..
[02:49] <stan-am> windex, cafuego: can any of ya guys send me a private?
[02:49] <stan-am> no ! there, sorry
[02:49] <cafuego> chaps0063: *nod* 'dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/firefox_1.0.6-1ubuntu1 ....'
[02:49] <cafuego> chaps0063: ... that ought to force it to overwrite that file.
[02:49] <bimberi> Octane: hm - not sure about that - does that link work though?
[02:49] <wardhana> i did`nt found the choosing 'Recovery Mode' or anythink .....................
[02:50] <chaps0063> dpkg - warning, overriding problem because --force enabled: trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/mozilla-firefox', which is also in package mozilla-firefox
[02:50] <Determinist> what syntax should i use to add a fat32 hda1 and hda5 to fstab for full access?
[02:50] <cafuego> !vfat
[02:50] <ubotu> from memory, vfat is http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[02:50] <cafuego> Determinist: Fetch that file, it's a script that will do it _for_ you.
[02:50] <Octane> bimberi: well its just got images and my local httpd has directory listing disabled
[02:51] <Determinist> thanks
[02:51] <amonkey> how can i get xvnc4viewer to use 4.0 instead of 3.8 RFB protocol?
[02:51] <sdlkfz> what's the coolest thing i can do with a new ubuntu desktop?
[02:51] <wardhana> cafuego ????
[02:52] <equex> who here had a problem with radeon9200 and opengl direct mode
[02:52] <equex> ?
[02:52] <cafuego> wardhana: If you'r running Ubuntu 5.04, it's there.
[02:52] <equex> i think i fixed it here
[02:52] <Davey> Anyone managed to run Battlefield 2 on linux yet?
[02:53] <bimberi> Octane: k - sorry I don't have an htdig install at hand to compare.  Usually just works (tm)
[02:53] <chaps0063> any thoughts cafuego?
[02:53] <ubuntu> guys, can  I use other browser than mozilla, or I shoudn`t bother..
[02:53] <Davey> ubuntu, if by Mozilla, you mean Firefox, I wouldn't bother
[02:53] <windex> ubuntu, firefox proably has the best support for most technologies of any of the available browsers.
[02:53] <Madpilot> ubuntu: you can install Opera if you want
[02:54] <Madpilot> !opera
[02:54] <ubuntu> is it free (opera)
[02:54] <Davey> but yes, you can install Galeon (never worked for me) or Ephiphany which are both based on the same rendering engine (Gecko), or you can try Opera (theres a How-To in the forums) or Konqueror
[02:54] <windex> there is a free version, that places an advertisement in the top corner, ubuntu
[02:54] <Davey> ubuntu, its got an advert in it
[02:54] <Madpilot> ubotu: free as in beer - it's got little two-line ads
[02:54] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, Madpilot
[02:54] <Xenguy> ubuntu: Opera is not free software; Firefox is.
[02:54] <Davey> its really not a big deal
[02:55] <ubuntu> so I should stay with the fox
[02:55] <bimberi> Octane: iirc it requires some initial configuration
[02:55] <Davey> ubuntu, would you be so good as to change your nick (/nick YourNewNickHere) :)
[02:55] <Xenguy> ubuntu: FF is an excellent browser, and only getting better
[02:55] <Davey> and if you don't like something about it, an extension probably exists to correct it :)
[02:55] <ka234> I didn't think linux could get adware/spyware?
[02:56] <bimberi> Octane: check "man htdig" or /usr/share/doc/htdig/README
[02:56] <Davey> ka234, uhm, sure it can, if you install it ;)
[02:56] <Madpilot> ka234: Opera isn't adware in that sense. There's just a little two-line google-ad along the top
[02:56] <windex> ka234, adware, in operas sense, is simply a program that is supported by advertising
[02:56] <Razor-X> Davey: Linux has spyware?
[02:56] <Davey> ka234, but nobody creates anything that secretes itself on your hardware for Linux :)
[02:56] <avanspronsen> ubuntu you may wanna check out the extensions though go to Tool | Extensions | Get more extensions from the menu
[02:56] <Davey> harddrive, bleh
[02:56] <Xenguy> ka234: if the source is open, then spyware routines could be spotted
[02:56] <Davey> ka234, doesn't mean its not possible, just not worth it to the people paying :)
[02:57] <opiate> anyone know how to change the font  for applications such as Firefox in KDE?
[02:58] <ka234> but their could be bad spyware for linux one day like windows?
[02:58] <Razor-X> ka234: I doubt that
[02:58] <sklp> if anyone want a good browser, i can recommend Epiphany :)
[02:58] <windex> ka234, there can be a lot of bad things for linux. the thing is, if you follow the ubuntu 'rootless' philosophy, the chances of browser bugs leading to system compromise is slim.
[02:58] <nJess> are there any known issues with ndiswrapper on 64bit ubuntu?
[02:58] <Madpilot> ka234: if you can be convinced to install it, the probably
[02:58] <Madpilot> s/the/then
[02:58] <prodigy> anyone know an easy way to access my Windows hard drives from Ubuntu?
[02:58] <LokeDK> opiate, try the kde control center
[02:59] <bimberi> !ntfs
[02:59] <ubuntu> great, I was able to that too (get the expensions screen for FF), all this in my old junk PC..running live CD..
[02:59] <ubotu> [ntfs]  the filesystem used under Windows XP. The Ubuntu installer can safely resize an NTFS partition to create a new partition for you to install Ubuntu. http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[02:59] <lJlolel> !ntfs
[02:59] <Xenguy> ka234: think about it - most windows software/spyware is a black box; you can't see inside.  Free software offers the source code, so that sufficiently skilled people can *see* what the code is doing. So spyware is very unlikely to flourish in an 'open source' environment like linux
[02:59] <windex> ka234, the biggest thing linux has going for it is that it's a smaller userbase than windows. if that starts to change, you will see more effort put forth into taking control over linux-based machines. but it's _much harder_ to do, and would depend on bugs that change between each distribution. so it's unlikely, even if.
[02:59] <bimberi> prodigy: The script at the end of ubotu's post (above) will mount windows partitions automatically for you
[03:00] <chorton> Anyone here know about samba?
[03:00] <avanspronsen> prodigy: go to places | Connect to Server
[03:00] <Zodiac> hey guys I am having this weird problem
[03:00] <JaZy84> a little bit chorton
[03:00] <Zodiac> I right click on an mp3 file
[03:01] <Zodiac> and go to properties to change the name, and the whole thing locks up
[03:01] <ubuntu> samba  yeah sure, I`m from brazil..just joking..couldn`t avoid..
[03:01] <Zodiac> then I cant get to my home folder
[03:01] <chorton> I have samba installed via apt-get, and a shared folder set up.
[03:01] <JaZy84> heh
[03:01] <avanspronsen> prodigy: did you mean local hard drive?
[03:01] <Zodiac> what is the dilly??
[03:01] <chorton> But I can't get to it from my other comps.
[03:01] <JaZy84> anhyone know anything about how to emulate the right click.. i have an ibook and it's only got 1 button.. can i use the 'apple' button?
[03:01] <JaZy84> have you added the user
[03:01] <prodigy> I mean to access my windows hard drives from Ubuntu
[03:01] <prodigy> I don't understand the scripts
[03:02] <nalioth> JaZy84: use the F12 key
[03:02] <robotgeek> JaZy84: did u try f 12
[03:02] <cafuego> JaZy84: There are special entries in /proc to define keys for that; I think F12 is the default.
[03:02] <chorton> Yes.
[03:02] <JaZy84> i saw nice f12 works
[03:03] <robotgeek> cool
[03:03] <dmneoblade> Anyone know a command-line tool to display information about an avi? Like, resolution, compression codec, and play length.
[03:03] <prodigy> anyone know an easy way to access my Windows hard drives from Ubuntu?  something understandable?
[03:03] <windex> JaZy84, someone made a hack once to enable a second button on the powerbook. don't recall the url offhand, but it required lots of patience and soldering. :)
[03:03] <robotgeek> cafuego: i think /etc/systl.conf is the file
[03:03] <dmneoblade> Prodigy: are they on the same computer? Or on a network?
[03:03] <prodigy> same computer
[03:03] <robotgeek> s/systl/sysctl
[03:03] <holycow> prodigy, nothing quite yet with a gui, you will need to edit /etc/fstab file for now
[03:03] <Zodiac> ahhh
[03:03] <JaZy84> chorton look at httP://ubuntuguide.org under servers
[03:03] <Zodiac> stupid bug
[03:04] <Zodiac> wtf
[03:04] <JaZy84> gives you a walk though
[03:04] <JaZy84> on how to setup and get working
[03:04] <avanspronsen> prodigy: it is gonna look something like this:  mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/win
[03:04] <chorton> Kay, lemme see.
[03:04] <MagicFab> hello all
[03:04] <MagicFab> I need some help with sound
[03:04] <Geist|Patrick> ?
[03:04] <kev0r> lol Zodiac u still busy?
[03:05] <bimberi> prodigy: yes, sorry, not very clear.  You need to download and execute the script on your PC
[03:05] <avanspronsen> prodigy: where win is a dir you create under the /mnt directory
[03:05] <MagicFab> I've gone through all I could find in the wiki (using hoary) and everything looks fine - but silent
[03:05] <JaZy84> MagicFab is it only mp3s?
[03:05] <ma3x> hello guys! I would appreciate it very much if you can help me with this
[03:05] <dmneoblade> prodigy: Try this guide http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html
[03:05] <MagicFab> no, no CDs, no sound in the sample games, no mp3
[03:05] <MagicFab> no error msgs though
[03:05] <prodigy> how do I download the script?
[03:05] <crimsun> JaZy84: ever fix your mp3 problem?
[03:06] <ma3x> How to unblock ports? Ubuntu blocks them by default, although they are forward on the router
[03:06] <JaZy84> nope
[03:06] <JaZy84> installed those 2 things but still nothing
[03:06] <Nomad_1> Hey All.
[03:06] <crimsun> JaZy84: do other media types play?
[03:06] <windex> prodigy, do note that if your windows partitions are NTFS you should mount them read-only ('ro'), and not 'rw', read-write. the NTFS driver for Linux is not very good at writing data to NTFS volumes.
[03:06] <JaZy84> no mp3 sound..
[03:06] <kev0r> is there a repository for neroLINUX?
[03:06] <JaZy84> none play the mp3
[03:06] <ma3x> guys?
[03:06] <snivitz0> Does anyone know how to make Nautilus windows transparent?
[03:06] <crimsun> JaZy84: like ogg vorbis, flac, wav
[03:06] <JaZy84> haven't tried ogg, or wav.. etc
[03:06] <anders__> hello
[03:06] <kev0r> hi
[03:07] <anders__> can some tell my how i in terminalen can reed about firewall?
[03:07] <Xenguy> ma3x: what exactly do you want to do?
[03:07] <lJlolel> youve used wav (normal cds)
[03:07] <bimberi> prodigy: if you're viewing it in a browser then save it from there
[03:07] <rob_p> ma3x:  what are you trying to do?
[03:07] <dmneoblade> JaZy84: Do you have one or two soundcards in your system? (this includes integrated)
[03:07] <astronut> ok, my network works without wep but not with it...what am i doing wrong?
[03:07] <ma3x> rob: forward the port for my mail
[03:07] <Nomad_1> What is the command for the terminal that is started from the System menu in the applications menu? (As in, xterm starts up the xterm program
[03:07] <dmneoblade> kev0r: You have to go to nero.com and input your serial key.
[03:07] <JaZy84> just the intergrated.. i know it works.. cuz i had a working yesterday (upgraded the kernel) had to reformt and reinstall
[03:07] <bimberi> prodigy: then open a terminal, change to the directory you saved it in and type "sudo bash winmac_fstab"
[03:07] <s0cks> Hi
[03:08] <edgar> can anyone tell me what this mean? http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y72/EpyonMelee/Screenshot-1.png
[03:08] <s0cks> I'm installing Ubuntu on my lappy, I might need some help
[03:08] <edgar> i tried to install Java, cause i want to get Azerus running
[03:08] <rob_p> ma3x:  So you have a mailserver running on your local pc and you want traffic from the 'Net to be able to reach it?
[03:08] <edgar> and i got that error message
[03:08] <ma3x> rob_p: that's exactly Sir!
[03:08] <edgar> anyone have any idea what i should do?
[03:08] <dmneoblade> JaZy84: Ah. You probably need to reconfigure your sound server of choice. Do you know how to do that?
[03:08] <nalioth> s0cks: are you in here causing trouble?
[03:08] <anders__> some one there
[03:08] <avanspronsen> astronut: if you do a cat /etc/network/interfaces do you see your wireless config?
[03:08] <s0cks> How much memory do you need to run ubuntu?
[03:09] <rob_p> ma3x:  Are you running any sort of a firewall on your PC?
[03:09] <astronut> avanspronsen: i got the wifi working fine
[03:09] <astronut> without wep
[03:09] <nalioth> s0cks: your toshiba should be adequate
[03:09] <JaZy84> well all other sounds in the system work dmneoblade.. but no i dont' know.. other then the front end that's provided in gnome
[03:09] <dmneoblade> s0cks: 128 mb or more if you want a GUI.
[03:09] <ma3x> rob_p: no Sir, only router with integrated firewall, but the ports are already forwarded
[03:09] <prodigy> okay, I did that bimberi, now they should be accessable?
[03:09] <crimsun> JaZy84: play a wav file
[03:09] <astronut> avanspronsen: i'm configing it by hand, once i get it set up right, will put into interfaces
[03:09] <edgar> can anyone help with my woes?
[03:09] <rob_p> ma3x:  Then you're already set!
[03:09] <Geist|Patrick> how can i store the kmix settings?
[03:09] <JaZy84> let me look for one :-/
[03:09] <JaZy84> brb
[03:09] <bimberi> prodigy: type "df" and see if they're listed
[03:09] <crimsun> JaZy84: /usr/share/sounds/
[03:10] <avanspronsen> astronut: maybe that is the problem?
[03:10] <ma3x> rob_p: it still blocks the port
[03:10] <dmneoblade> JaZy84: Try changing the sound daemon used by your MP3 program to ARTS or ALSA.
[03:10] <hajiki> astronut, ive found that i need to use 'iwconfig essid open xxxxxxxxxxx' for the wireless to work for me at work
[03:10] <rob_p> ma3x:  Once you launch the daemon, it will open the port (port 25 by default) and will listen for connections...
[03:10] <anders__>  hey
[03:10] <bimberi> bimberi: it usually puts them under the /media directory
[03:10] <hajiki> astronut, change essid with key =p
[03:10] <astronut> hajiki: i got it working once i disabled wep
[03:10] <ma3x> rob_p: postfix is installed and started, and the port is still closed
[03:10] <astronut> hajiki: oh, seriously?
[03:10] <bimberi> s/puts/mounts/
[03:10] <astronut> iwconfig wlan0 essid <essid> <key>
[03:10] <astronut> ?
[03:10] <Xenguy> !java
[03:10] <ubotu> from memory, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[03:10] <Gundam> so can anyone please help/
[03:10] <cafuego> ma3x: Are you checking from a remote system?
[03:11] <hajiki> astronut, yeah i had the same problem at work. but once i gave key the open parameter it worked (its just a thought, not saying it will work for sure)
[03:11] <Gundam> doh....
[03:11] <avanspronsen> astronut: I have never had to do that, just the networking applet or via interfaces
[03:11] <ma3x> rob_p: also another applications are supposed to open other ports, but unsuccessful
[03:11] <ma3x> cafuego: I am using a scan service
[03:11] <cafuego> ma3x: sudo netstat -nap | grep :25
[03:12] <hajiki> astronut, iwconfig essid "your essid here" && iwconfig key open 1234567890
[03:12] <cafuego> ma3x: It's not uncommon for ISPs to block at least port 25.
[03:12] <astronut> hmm, got ya
[03:12] <rob_p> ma3x:  Are you sure it's closed?  If the daemon is running, it will be bound to a port (port 25 by default).  If the port is closed, either the daemon is dead, is listening on another port, or you have something interfering (such as a firewall).
[03:12] <dmneoblade> ~Question~ Are there any command-line programs for linux that will give me information about an AVI?
[03:12] <astronut> nope... i think i had tried that before
[03:12] <hajiki> dmneoblade, does file do what you want? 'file filename'
[03:12] <ma3x> rob_p: I will paste 3 lines Sir, is that ok?
[03:12] <hajiki> astronut, :(
[03:12] <cafuego> ma3x: Not on the channel, no.
[03:13] <rob_p> ma3x:  better do it in #flood
[03:13] <cafuego> !paste
[03:13] <ubotu> [paste]  please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[03:13] <cafuego> ma3x: On #flood or on those websites
[03:13] <JaZy84> crimsun wavs play
[03:13] <crimsun> JaZy84: does it play with mpg123?
[03:13] <dmneoblade> hajiki: Thanks... I always seem to forget about that handy program. ^_^'
[03:13] <hajiki> np
[03:13] <JaZy84> used totem
[03:13] <ma3x> rob_p: I pasted in #flood
[03:14] <JaZy84> need to install mpg123
[03:14] <rob_p> ma3x:  Ok, so postfix is bound to port 25... this is good!
[03:14] <ma3x> rob_p: yes, but still unreachable to the outside world
[03:14] <rob_p> ma3x:  However, it looks like your external interface isn't...
[03:14] <chorton> Okay, I went through everything that said.
[03:14] <chorton> I'm guessing the access problem is on the windows box.
[03:15] <rob_p> ma3x:  That would be a config file issue...
[03:15] <cafuego> ma3x: Are you running some sort of DSL modem or router?
[03:15] <opiate> sdfasd
[03:15] <ma3x> cafuego: I am running a modem/router with integrated firewall
[03:16] <rob_p> ma3x:  You probably need to edit your main.cf file...
[03:16] <ma3x> however the necessary ports have been forwarded
[03:16] <cafuego> ma3x: Is that set up to 1) Allow port 25 and 2) Forward port 25 to the Linux box?
[03:16] <Chris_Tucker> how do i set my samba server to allow guest access?
[03:16] <rob_p> ma3x:  look for the directive, "inet_interfaces" in the config file and change it appropriately...
[03:17] <occy> anyone here heard of a usb mouse that is like a mini-joystick?
[03:17] <andrew> Err... I think I farked something over.
[03:17] <JaZy84> is it called the gravitron?
[03:17] <opiate> can someone help me get java working?
[03:18] <JaZy84> xmms freezes my machien.
[03:18] <sally> Hey there. Can someone help me configure wifi on an iBook G3 (dual USB/airport card and express base station)? :)
[03:18] <Mez> crimsun, alsa-base backported fine
[03:18] <JaZy84> i had the 4.10 installed then changed the source to hoary.. should i just install off of a hoary cd
[03:18] <rob_p> ma3x:  What does your /etc/postfix/main.cf file have listed for the, "inet_interfaces" tag?
[03:18] <cafuego> sally: normal airport card?
[03:18] <opiate> i keep getting java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Object
[03:18] <opiate>  when i run azureus?
[03:19] <crimsun> Mez: good
[03:19] <sally> cafuego: yes, normal airport card. I can "see" the signal, but can't connect.
[03:19] <cafuego> sally: Ok, is 'wireless-tools' installed?
[03:19] <ma3x> rob_p: Sir net_interfaces = loopback-only
[03:19] <rob_p> ma3x:  Ahhh, that's it!
[03:19] <Mez> crimsun: and it shouldnt be too hard to fix stuff - gotta do alsa-lib thouh
[03:19] <sally> cafuego: I think so. Checking...
[03:19] <pestilence> does anybody know the best way to turn a stack of png's (or any other image format) into an mpeg?
[03:20] <aru> cafuego: (refering to offtopic) AGREED!
[03:20] <pestilence> (or any other widely used video format)
[03:20] <cafuego> popey: I think 'trasncode' can do that.
[03:20] <dmneoblade> pestilence: I just found a guide to that... lemme browse for it real quick.
[03:20] <avanspronsen> opiate: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ is a good start
[03:20] <sally> cafuego: yes, wireless-tools installed.
[03:20] <pestilence> dmneoblade: great, thanks
[03:20] <aru> !guide
[03:20] <ubotu> aru: I give up, what is it?
[03:20] <aru> err
[03:20] <JaZy84> dmneoblade how can i set something to use alsa instead of art or whatever you where talking about
[03:20] <aru> !ubuntuguide
[03:20] <ubotu> I guess ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[03:20] <rob_p> ma3x:  Change it to, "inet_interfaces = 127.0.0.1 192.168.0.2" - I think that is the correct syntax... let me check...
[03:20] <pestilence> cafuego: you talkin to me?
[03:21] <cafuego> sally: Okay. Run 'sudo iwconfig eth1 essid "NName of the wireless network"'
[03:21] <aru> avanspronsen: refer to what ubotu just said
[03:21] <cafuego> pestilence: yep
[03:21] <cafuego> pestilence: 'transcode'
[03:21] <pestilence> cafuego: k, i'll check it out.
[03:21] <dmneoblade> JaZy84: What media player are you using?
[03:21] <mebaran151> could anayone help me setup LVM
[03:21] <ma3x> rob_p: ok Sir. Ssh is not opening the port as well
[03:21] <mebaran151> or EVMS
[03:21] <cafuego> rob_p: inet_interfaces = $myhostname, localhost
[03:21] <cafuego> rob_p: ... normally.
[03:22] <JaZy84> i have vlc, mpg123, and totem installed all of which don't play mp3.. they will however play wav.. haven't checked anything else.
[03:22] <rob_p> ma3x:  Better yet, if you want it to listen on all active interfaces on your PC, then leave it blank.  Oh, and you'll have to reload the postfix daemon to have it pick up the changes.
[03:22] <cafuego> sally: if there is a wep key set, 'sudo iwconfig eth1 key s:WepKey'
[03:22] <rob_p> cafuego:  Thanks!
[03:23] <cafuego> sally: In both cases eth1 might be eth0, depending on which got detected first
[03:23] <JaZy84> noatun also
[03:23] <pestilence> !backports
[03:23] <ubotu> I heard backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[03:23] <rob_p> ma3x:  Now what were you saying about ssh?
[03:23] <JaZy84> that will make the speakers start crackling but nothing comoing out
[03:23] <pestilence> !thanks
[03:23] <ubotu> pestilence: de rien
[03:23] <equex> anyone been able to run GoogeEarth under Wine ?
[03:23] <dmneoblade> pestilence: https://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=3456&group_id=5776#ss4.1
[03:23] <HrdwrBoB> rob_p: isn't that handled in master.cf?
[03:24] <ma3x> rob_p: Sir, port 25 is not yet open
[03:24] <lJlolel> why does Ubuntu need backports?
[03:24] <pestilence> dmneoblade: thanks, i'll take a look
[03:24] <cafuego> lJlolel: it doesn't. Some USERS need it.
[03:24] <rob_p> HrdwrBoB:  I've only ever configured it in main.cf...
[03:24] <dmneoblade> JaZy84: AH. You probably broke the mp3 library when you upgraded your kernel.
[03:24] <lJlolel> cafuego: forwhat programs?
[03:24] <pestilence> lJlolel: good question :)  but there are some packages that aren't included, like w32codecs and transcode that you can only get through backports
[03:24] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: You can add params in master.cf to bind to a _specific_ ip.
[03:24] <rob_p> ma3x:  Did you edit the config file and then reload postfix?
[03:24] <ma3x> I couldn't leave it blank, I have put 'all' for inet_interfaces
[03:25] <ma3x> yes Sir rob_p
[03:25] <sally> cafuego: done. I've been through these steps already and can "see" the network, but no dice for connection. it's eth1. reg. ethernet is eth0.
[03:25] <JaZy84> well i upgraded the kernel, and then it didn't wan tot boot so i installed 4.10.. then updated the source.list to get to 5.04
[03:25] <JaZy84> can this be rebult?
[03:25] <dmneoblade> pestilence: That guide requires you install "mjpegtools" which is right in Synaptic.
[03:25] <kev0r> Seveas: ur asleep yet? You know bots never sleep :)
[03:25] <cafuego> sally: Can you run 'sudo dchlient eth1' ?
[03:25] <cafuego> sally: Can you run 'sudo dhclient eth1' ?
[03:25] <pestilence> dmneoblade: ok.  good.
[03:25] <cafuego> sally: that ought to give you an IP
[03:26] <dmneoblade> JaZy84: it can... but I'm not sure how, unfortunately. I'm still fairly new to Linux.
[03:26] <sally> cafuego: running...
[03:26] <crimsun> JaZy84: what did you do?
[03:26] <Chris_Tucker> how do i set my samba server to allow guest access?
[03:26] <pestilence> i guess transcode isn't in backports, either :-/
[03:26] <ma3x> I can't seem to connect to the web interface of my modem/router
[03:26] <ma3x> One moment please, I will have to restart it
[03:26] <cafuego> sally: If it doesn't give you an address, the wep key is either incorrect or the AP isn't set up to be WEP compatible.
[03:26] <mebaran151> anyone here know about lvm
[03:26] <rob_p> ma3x:  And you're sure it isn't listening on your external interface on port 25?  If not, maybe just try specifying the external interface alone and see if it works.
[03:27] <HrdwrBoB> mebaran151: what do you need to know
[03:27] <cafuego> pestilence: it's probably in extras.
[03:27] <pestilence> dmneoblade: excellent, that guide has exactly what i wanted.  thanks
[03:27] <JaZy84> crimsun, i attempted to upgrade my kernel yesterday on my ibook.. so i could get my activity light going.. i didn't setup right, so the kernel wouldn't boot, i then installed 4.10 (only cd i had) and then used the hoary sources.. for apt-get and ran dist-upgarde.. here i sit..
[03:27] <crimsun> JaZy84: uname -r
[03:27] <JaZy84> everything plays okay.. except mp3.. when i run xmms comptuer crashes.
[03:27] <cafuego> JaZy84: Why didn't you just boot with the older kernel?
[03:27] <ma3x> rob_p: One moment please, I will be right back
[03:27] <pestilence> cafuego: wow.  doesn't matter how many additional repositories people make, somebody will always make another :)
[03:27] <dmneoblade> pestilence: No prob. I actually stumbled on it while looking for something else today.
[03:27] <pestilence> !mp3
[03:27] <ubotu> I guess mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[03:27] <JaZy84> i didn't save : /
[03:28] <sally> cafuego: Results: dhcpdiscover = all 255.255.255.255. Msg: no working leases in persistent database - sleeping.
[03:28] <JaZy84> crimsun 2.6.10.5-powerpc
[03:28] <sally> cafuego: AP is okay for wep. OSX partition works with wep key.
[03:28] <cafuego> sally: Can you check the Airport Express is set up to allow WEP (as opposed to Airport Password) access?
[03:28] <mebaran151> HrdwrBoB: I am not sure how it is supposed to be setup
[03:28] <mebaran151> I am doing a clean install
[03:28] <mebaran151> and would like to make my partition scheme a lot more fuild
[03:28] <mebaran151> fluid
[03:28] <mebaran151> so LVM seemed perfect
[03:29] <mebaran151> but I cant find any docs
[03:29] <HrdwrBoB> the docs are .. wanting
[03:29] <mebaran151> am I supposed to use my whole drive as one LVM volume
[03:29] <HrdwrBoB> use the installer
[03:29] <crimsun> JaZy84: you probably need at least a new version of ALSA, using 1.0.9b from upstream.
[03:29] <mebaran151> and put in parititions or some such
[03:29] <mebaran151> the partition snafus
[03:29] <cafuego> mebaran151: The partitioner will help you, just make a volume group, thern add partitions to it.
[03:29] <mebaran151> ah
[03:29] <HrdwrBoB> the best thing to know is the layers
[03:29] <mebaran151> but I make the whole drive one LVM group at first
[03:29] <sally> cafuego: yes, AP is set up to allow wep. wep key authenticates via OSX.
[03:29] <mebaran151> right?
[03:29] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[03:29] <cafuego> sally: ANything in 'dmesg' ?
[03:30] <mebaran151> and then I add what would normally be my parititions to that one big VG
[03:30] <mebaran151> when does EVMS come in?
[03:30] <HrdwrBoB> mebaran151: you need to make your drive an LVM physcial volume
[03:30] <mebaran151> ok
[03:30] <Chris_Tucker> how do i set my samba server to allow guest access?
[03:30] <HrdwrBoB> add that volume to a VG
[03:30] <Mez> crimsun: you wouldnt believe how much of a PITA this is
[03:30] <mebaran151> oh
[03:30] <HrdwrBoB> then make lv's on that
[03:30] <mebaran151> a VG
[03:30] <sally> cafuego: clarify "dmesg"? sally=newbie. :)
[03:30] <mebaran151> do I need a VG if I only have one drive
[03:30] <JaZy84> hrm well i need to run to pick up the girlfriend i guess i'll look into problems later : /
[03:30] <mebaran151> (this is my new Shuttle) beautiful work
[03:30] <JaZy84> thanks guys
[03:30] <cafuego> sally: Type 'dmesg' at a shell... it will give you the kernel log buffer
[03:31] <crimsun> Mez: actually I _know_ how much of a PITA it is. I tried it months ago - and I warned you.
[03:31] <occy> crimsun, hey bud... Have you ever heard of an "IBM think pad like" USB input device?
[03:31] <rob_p> ma3x:  Also try separating the values with a comma as cafuego suggested.  I think that is probably the correct way to specify multiple interfaces, etc.
[03:31] <Mez> crimsun, It's not that bad actually I think I've got everything sorted
[03:31] <occy> crimsun, those little nipple thingies...
[03:31] <occy> heh
[03:31] <crimsun> occy: hey. I have no idea what you're referring to, unfortunately.
[03:31] <occy> ahhh ok np
[03:32] <chorton> The red dot?
[03:32] <Razor-X> occy: I have
[03:32] <Razor-X> USB touch pads
[03:32] <Mez> crimsun: there we go, backported alsa-libs alsa-base and alsa-utils
[03:32] <JaZy84> the nob
[03:32] <JaZy84> for the ibm
[03:32] <JaZy84> the eraser pointer
[03:32] <Mez> crimsun: nothing else needed
[03:32] <cafuego> you mean "clit" yes?
[03:32] <crimsun> the scrollpoint?
[03:32] <sally> cafuego: Odd. AP in and out of range/connected/disconnected. Also "unknown information frame" and "no IPv6 routers present"
[03:33] <crimsun> Mez: have fun
[03:33] <psychonate> DId he just say... ?
[03:33] <mebaran151> psychonate: I think he did.....
[03:33] <cafuego> sally: Hmm. You within range of the ap I presume? (Just ignore the ipv6 thing)
[03:33] <psychonate> rofl
[03:33] <codecaine> im building debian boxes on one lan then deploying them to another lan.  when deployed to new lan (ip scheme) changes and then authentication is SLOW.  for instance, ssh has a delay before password comes up, smtp banner is also delayed etc... any reason for this?  if i put the debian box back on original ip scheme its normal again.  thx
[03:33] <Mez> crimsun: how do you mean
[03:33] <codecaine> hey all
[03:33] <sally> cafuego: yup, definitely within range.
[03:34] <crimsun> Mez: nothing more, nothing less
[03:34] <codecaine> im building debian boxes on one lan then deploying them to another lan.  when deployed to new lan (ip scheme) changes and then authentication is SLOW.  for instance, ssh has a delay before password comes up, smtp banner is also delayed etc... any reason for this?  if i put the debian box back on original ip scheme its normal again.  thx
[03:34] <cafuego> sally: 'sudo iwpriv scanning' - what's that do?
[03:34] <pestilence> codecaine: reverse dns not working properly?
[03:35] <codecaine> hmmm
[03:35] <sally> cafuego: 'scanning no private ioctls'
[03:35] <mebaran151> codecaine: the problem is
[03:35] <codecaine> pestilence, you're right, i have the WRONG primary DNS
[03:35] <mebaran151> I think it has to do dns when it works
[03:35] <FatManWalking> I want to use gtkpod.  I need to load libid3tag.  I downloaded libid3tag0_0.15.1b-7_i386.deb,  but now I don't know how to install it.  Help.
[03:35] <codecaine> mebaran151, thank you also
[03:35] <Mez> alsa-utils conflicts with udev?
[03:35] <opiate> can anyone help me with azureus?
[03:35] <Mez> brb
[03:35] <Mez> reboot
[03:35] <cafuego> sally: No chance you typo3d the key?
[03:35] <Razor-X> FatManWalking: do you use a package manager?
[03:36] <codecaine> i remember now, when i setup the boxes on my lan i don't change the primary dns AGH!
[03:36] <pestilence> codecaine: glad i could help
[03:36] <codecaine> the delay is becuase it tries primary then finally gets by with secondary
[03:36] <codecaine> pestilence, agh just needed a quick spark, thank you!
[03:36] <pestilence> np
[03:36] <sally> cafuego: do you mean mistyped the key? No, I've tried several times.
[03:37] <FatManWalking> I have synaptic.
[03:37] <cafuego> sally: How many characters is the key?
[03:37] <occy> trackpoint is the name of it.
[03:37] <occy> heh
[03:37] <Razor-X> FatManWalking: use that
[03:37] <sally> cafuego: 10 chars.
[03:37] <Razor-X> or, simple
[03:37] <Razor-X> ``sudo aptitude install gtkpod''
[03:37] <cafuego> occy: Look mate, just call it what it is, a clit :-)
[03:37] <occy> I think it'd be cool as heck to have a USB trackpoint that you could plug in on the side of your laptop.
[03:37] <asda> hi how to limit user proses what command for do tha
[03:37] <occy> cafuego, hahahaha
[03:37] <f_newton> yes synaptic is one of the great things about debian based distros
[03:37] <occy> cafuego, that's nipple actually
[03:37] <cafuego> sally: 10 hex or 10 alphanumeric?
[03:37] <bimberi> FatManWalking: gtkpod is available in the ubuntu repositories - or are you installing a later version?
[03:37] <cafuego> occy: Not in melbourne :-)
[03:38] <sally> cafuego: 10 hex
[03:38] <cafuego> sally: Did you add it as s:TenhexDigits in iwconfig?
[03:38] <sally> cafuego: yes
[03:39] <FatManWalking> I really don't know how to use synaptic.  I searched for gtkpod in synaptic, and clicked it for install.  That is when it gave me the dependency error.  I down loaded the package, and I don't know how to get it into synaptic.
[03:39] <cafuego> sally: Okay, s: means it's ascii. Do 'sudo iwconfig eth1 key TenHexDigits'
[03:39] <cafuego> sally: And then the dhclient thing again
[03:39] <f_newton> synaptic gave you a dependency error?
[03:39] <_frank> FatManWalking: what error did you get?
[03:39] <raDeon> hi
[03:39] <f_newton> and I am going to refill my rasberry tea
[03:39] <asda> !ping me
[03:40] <ubotu> asda: I don't know, could you explain it?
[03:40] <FatManWalking> gtkpod-aac:
[03:40] <FatManWalking>  Depends: libid3tag0 (>=0.15.0b) but it is not installable
[03:40] <sally> cafuego: done.
[03:41] <sally> cafuego: I tried w/o 's:' before as well. Seems to detect the signal, even gives signal strength, but can't connect.
[03:41] <Razor-X> does VLC play H.264 files?
[03:42] <cafuego> sally: Not that it _should_ make a difference, but can you unload the airport driver,. then reload it and try again?
[03:42] <bimberi> FatManWalking: i can't see gtkpod-aac in my synaptic.  Do you have extra repositories?
[03:43] <raDeon> how do i use sudo
[03:43] <Mez> crimsun: shouldnt have to touch hotplug
[03:43] <Mez> but udev :D
[03:43] <nalioth> !sudo
[03:43] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[03:43] <raDeon> thanks
[03:43] <crimsun> Mez: ah, it has changed
[03:43] <sally> cafuego: erm, "unload/reload airport driver"? can you walk me thru?
[03:43] <cafuego> sally: 'sudo rmmod airport; sudo modprobe airport'
[03:43] <Mez> crimsun - what has?
[03:44] <opiate> anyone know how to change the ports on gnome bit torrent?
[03:44] <crimsun> Mez: in the past, discover and hotplug had to be tweaked, too.
[03:44] <FatManWalking> I added this one (deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted).  I think I got it from a LinuxQuestions.org forum.
[03:45] <cafuego> ahaa!
[03:46] <sally> cafuego: done w/ same result: dhcpdiscover = all 255.255.255.255. Msg: no working leases in persistent database - sleeping.
[03:46] <FatManWalking> I took SuSE for a test run, and when I downloaded an RPM and clicked on it YaST would open and install the program.  Does it work like that with Debian/Ubuntu?
[03:47] <chorton> It can.
[03:47] <chorton> Or you can use the built in installer program to find the files in need.
[03:47] <asda> hi how to limit user proses what command for do tha
[03:48] <chorton> apt-get install <nameofprog> installs programs without having to go find them.
[03:48] <mebaran151_> can I convert my existing partitioned setup to LVM easily?
[03:48] <mebaran151_> or must it begin that way
[03:49] <mebaran151_> I cant find any decent docs on LVM2
[03:49] <cafuego> ubotu: info firefox backports
[03:49] <Chris_Tucker> how do i set my samba server to allow guest access?
[03:50] <asda> ?
[03:50] <asda> anyone there
[03:50] <asda> !ping me
[03:50] <ubotu> I don't know, asda
[03:51] <mebaran151_> arg
[03:51] <cafuego> typical
[03:51] <cafuego> sally: Then I don't know :-(
[03:52] <sally> cafuego: no worries, I've tried a few things and it's all been a little odd... :) thanks for your help. I'm going to reset the base station etc and go though these steps again.
[03:53] <cafuego> if al else fails, a hammer...
[03:53] <MagicFab> mebaran: if you have at least twice the space yes
[03:53] <cafuego> sally: the base station *IS* running dhcp right?
[03:53] <MagicFab> create your LVM in free space
[03:53] <MagicFab> transfer old stuff into LVM
[03:53] <MagicFab> then grow your LVM to occupy the old space
[03:54] <raDeon> how do i play mp3 files
[03:54] <mebaran151_> MagicFab: not what I was hoping for
[03:55] <LokeDK> Why is fluxbox so slow? I've even compiled it my self instead of the package
[03:55] <mebaran151_> it cant agressively cache its own data?
[03:55] <benplaut> !w32codecs
[03:55] <ubotu> w32codecs is probably a set of codecs needed to play many common audio and video formats, such as WMV. You can install w32codecs from the hoary-extras repositories (see: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org).
[03:55] <mebaran151_> !
[03:55] <benplaut> what the?!
[03:55] <benplaut> wha...?!
[03:56] <benplaut> you're a mod, eh?
[03:56] <mebaran151_> the LVM in the installer is confusing
[03:56] <mebaran151_> it cryptically fails to give me a subpartition
[03:56] <cafuego> benplaut: No, just run the bot. I'm fiddling with the repository search code
[03:56] <benplaut> aahhh
[03:56] <mebaran151_> or let me add any VG's
[03:56] <MagicFab> mebaran: what do you not understand
[03:56] <cafuego> specifically, iw ant it to search extras :-)
[03:57] <benplaut> good idea :)
[03:57] <MagicFab> heh
[03:57] <cafuego> !info firefox security
[03:57] <mebaran151_> !XFS
[03:57] <ubotu> mebaran151_: Bugger all, i dunno
[03:57] <benplaut> hmm
[03:57] <benplaut> can you make it accept wildcards? (*)
[03:57] <cafuego> !info mozilla-firefox security
[03:57] <MagicFab> meb:
[03:57] <ubotu> mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.6-0ubuntu0.1 (hoary-security), Packaged size: 8594 kB, Installed size: 24124 kB
[03:57] <MagicFab> usually you have to setup free space to be LVM partitions
[03:57] <cafuego> benplaut: /msg ubotu find <substring>
[03:58] <MagicFab> then the LVM tool can setup groups and volumes
[03:58] <benplaut> ahh
[03:58] <cafuego> benplaut: Then request info on what it finds, if you need it.
[03:58] <mebaran151_> If I symlink out of a chroot environment
[03:58] <mebaran151_> what happens
[03:58] <MagicFab> have you ever created / grown an LVM before ? I had to experiement a little before understanding
[03:58] <asda> hi help me plsssss
[03:59] <mebaran151_> MagicFab: I am running the wizard in the installer
[03:59] <Mez> crimsun, I got it to all build and install
[03:59] <cafuego> asda: We can't unless you aska  question.
[03:59] <mebaran151_> I made one VG
[03:59] <Mez> crimsun, now for the acid test: does it work
[03:59] <mebaran151_> with my harddisk inside it
[03:59] <asda> hi how to limit user proses what command for do tha
[03:59] <benplaut> proses?
[03:59] <asda> cafuego do you no tha
[03:59] <MagicFab> mebaran151_: AFAIK there is no wizard for LVM in the install (hoary)
[03:59] <mebaran151_> that hardisk contained 1 paritition of 160 gigs that formed that one thing
[03:59] <asda> yes prosess
[03:59] <asda> how to limit user proses
[03:59] <cafuego> asda: ulimit
[03:59] <mebaran151_> MagicFab: using a Breezy Colony 2 CD
[03:59] <concept10> !info cowbell
[03:59] <mebaran151_> I was intrigued by the boot msg LVM
[03:59] <asda> ulimit ?
[04:00] <cafuego> asda: You should be able to configure those via pam_limits.
[04:00] <MagicFab> mebaran151_: ah! sorry, havent been there yet
[04:00] <asda> u mean i mus intall ulimit ?
[04:00] <cafuego> ulimit is installed already
[04:00] <mebaran151_> HrdwrBoB: might know
[04:00] <Zodiac> yo my DVD player is still skipping even with the DMA turned on
[04:00] <Zodiac> Anyone know what it could be?
[04:00] <asda> and i conf that
[04:00] <asda> ?
[04:00] <asda> okay i'll try
[04:00] <MagicFab> how can I find out if the irght sound driver for my card is loaded ?
[04:01] <mebaran151_> lsmod
[04:01] <HrdwrBoB> hsay wghat?
[04:01] <MagicFab> aplay -l reports:
[04:01] <HrdwrBoB> I think LVM is in the install
[04:01] <MagicFab> card 0: SI7012 [SiS SI7012] , device 0: Intel ICH [SiS SI7012] 
[04:01] <MagicFab>   Subdevices: 1/1
[04:01] <MagicFab>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[04:01] <asda> cafuego how to configure that ?
[04:01] <raDeon> i dont understand how to install the w32codecs
[04:01] <MagicFab> lsmod reports several drivers, but the question is.. are those the right ones for my card
[04:02] <XIII> is there a japanese support channel for ubuntu?
[04:02] <benplaut> !backports
[04:02] <ubotu> backports is, like, .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[04:02] <Harold> Afternoon everyone
[04:02] <raDeon> it doesn't tell me how to install
[04:02] <benplaut> raDeon: add that string to your sources.list
[04:02] <benplaut>  deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[04:02] <benplaut> and then apt-get install w32codecs
[04:03] <mebaran151_> HrdwrBoB: it gives me an error that it cant add my LV to my VG
[04:03] <uboyo> how would I make an image of the last 2GB of a disk?
[04:03] <Mez> crimsun, you there?
[04:03] <cafuego> asda: Check google for 'pam_limits' configuration.
[04:03] <XIII> anyone for help here?
[04:03] <HrdwrBoB> mebaran151_: you don't add an lv to a VG
[04:03] <HrdwrBoB> you add a PV to an LG
[04:03] <mebaran151_> well let me go through it
[04:03] <HrdwrBoB> er VG
[04:03] <HrdwrBoB> PV < VG < LV
[04:04] <mebaran151_> I made one primary parition for my one harddisk
[04:04] <HrdwrBoB> physical volumes make up volume groups which ahve logical volumes on them
[04:04] <phixion> lo all, can anyone tell me, is "menu" meant to be installed by default in ubuntu?
[04:04] <mebaran151_> btw, is this feature working in the Breezy installer
[04:04] <asda> anyone help me hoe to use ulimit ???
[04:04] <mebaran151_> what is menu?
[04:05] <phixion> dunno :o
[04:05] <uboyo> +-
[04:05] <phixion> just had to fix a broken package
[04:05] <phixion> and it wanted to install menu
[04:05] <XIII> i need to know how to setup the pc to use hiragana and kanji not only katakana to type in japanese??!!!
[04:06] <franlopez> hello all... i'm having some troubles starting the JACK system (audio stuff)... has anyone been using it?
[04:06] <Chris_Tucker> how do i set my samba server to allow guest access??!??!?!
[04:06] <] BreliC[> franlopez, what is the problem?
[04:06] <mebaran151_> HrdwrBoB: I was trying to add an LV to my VG
[04:07] <XIII> ??????
[04:07] <XIII> y do all ignore that??
[04:07] <franlopez> brelic: when i run the prgram (i'm using the gui version), i get this message
[04:07] <mebaran151_> lwhich is simply one and it tells me that it cryptically cant do it, without any reason at all
[04:07] <mebaran151_> and the error logs say nothing
[04:07] <nickrud> cuz we don't have a clue?
[04:07] <] BreliC[> franlopez, i have not really used JACK with Ubuntu, but have been with AGNULA (which is based on Ubuntu).  It's an audio distro with realtime kernel patch already in and all the audio apps installed and configured
[04:07] <benplaut> XIII: maybe it means that nobody knows an answer
[04:07] <franlopez> "Could not open ALSA sequenceras a client
[04:08] <asda> guys
[04:08] <franlopez> is agnula based on ubunt?
[04:08] <asda> help me
[04:08] <] BreliC[> franlopez, you could check out www.agnula.org
[04:08] <] BreliC[> franlopez, yes, based on ubuntu
[04:08] <benplaut> X111: try #ubuntu-jp
[04:08] <franlopez> so i can install it without unistalling my ubuntu?
[04:09] <XIII> lol
[04:09] <] BreliC[> franlopez, make sure you try DeMuDi in the download section of AGNULA.. that's the one based on Debian Ubuntu
[04:09] <XIII> just me there
[04:09] <] BreliC[> franlopez, i'm not sure about that..
[04:09] <XIII> benplaut, where can i find languages package to download and install??
[04:09] <raDeon> is it just me
[04:09] <raDeon> or does the saudi arabian guy
[04:09] <raDeon> who died
[04:09] <benplaut> X111: try in Synaptic
[04:09] <franlopez> yes, i've checked that one out a few minutes ago... it says there are two ways of installing, and one is with apt get.......
[04:10] <raDeon> look like he's 50 and not 83
[04:10] <benplaut> !repositories
[04:10] <ubotu> somebody said repositories was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto, or repos
[04:10] <[thomas] > !ulimit
[04:10] <ubotu> [thomas] : Are you smoking crack?
[04:10] <XIII> benplaut, what is synaptic?
[04:10] <benplaut> !synaptic
[04:10] <ubotu> synaptic is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[04:10] <[thomas] > !limit
[04:10] <ubotu> [thomas] : Are you smoking crack?
[04:10] <benplaut> read that...
[04:10] <] BreliC[> franlopez, ahh, then i guess you can.  i imagine it will patch the kernel as well?
[04:10] <[thomas] > benplaut can help dude
[04:10] <XIII> ok
[04:10] <benplaut> !info ulimit
[04:10] <franlopez> that was what i wasn't sure enough...
[04:10] <franlopez> mmmhhh... i guess i'll try that
[04:11] <erisco> seveas.... i know you can help me on this one for sure =0 but if anyone else can too thats great
[04:11] <benplaut> !info ulimit
[04:11] <ma3x> rob_p: are you still there Sir?
[04:11] <[thomas] > no info for that
[04:11] <[thomas] > how command to use ulimit ?
[04:11] <rob_p> ma3x:  Yup!
[04:11] <erisco> when i registered on www.dot.tk for my site, i pointed the domain towards my gateway
[04:11] <franlopez> ok brelic, i'll check that out now, thanks
[04:11] <benplaut> !find ulimit
[04:11] <erisco> well it doesn't work.... lol i know bad to say
[04:11] <[thomas] > i'm on ubuntuforums now
[04:11] <[thomas] > and not found
[04:11] <ma3x> thank god!
[04:12] <erisco> on firefox when i try to hit the gateway ip, it says the connection is refused
[04:12] <rob_p> ma3x:  What's up?
[04:12] <rob_p> ma3x:
[04:12] <levander> CD and DVD drives are considered optical drives right?
[04:12] <] BreliC[> franlopez, no prob.  i like it (though i still don't trust linux for my pro audio work.. the only reason i still keep a windows partition)
[04:12] <ma3x> rob_p: Sir, I think it works with the mail now, only thing is that it doesn't deliver
[04:12] <rob_p> ma3x:  Deliver to where?
[04:12] <[thomas] > Sir ?
[04:12] <ma3x> to the local mailbox
[04:13] <ma3x> it says Remote host said: 554 : Relay access denied
[04:13] <ma3x> and the IP does not like recipient.
[04:14] <rob_p> ma3x:  Yes, that is because you need to make sure that your postfix is setup to relay for your local machine (and any other "trusted" sources).
[04:14] <benplaut> sir?!
[04:14] <ma3x> how do I make sure of that Sir?
[04:14] <[thomas] > Sir benplaut can help me sir
[04:14] <ka234> lol
[04:14] <rob_p> alright guys...
[04:15] <[thomas] > !info ulimit
[04:15] <inCo> ive just downloaded "kvirc-3.2.0.tar.bz" and i need to know ow to go about installing it, im new to linnux so i usually use synaptic, but the latest version of kvirc wasnt listed so i downloaded the latest version from their site
[04:15] <benplaut> try !find ulimit
[04:15] <inCo> can anyone help me please??
[04:15] <[thomas] > inco try apt-get install kvirc
[04:15] <ma3x> rob_p: and also ssh is not opening port 22, although forwarded
[04:15] <[thomas] > !find ulimit
[04:15] <ma3x> maybe i didn't install ssh
[04:16] <[thomas] > inCo u can use sypnatic
[04:16] <[thomas] > and remove *.tar.bz
[04:16] <chris_> isn't the gnome-terminal supposed to close after 'exit'? mine does not close
[04:16] <ma3x> do I need to install openssh, or ssh server?
[04:16] <JoshRA> 56Is there anyway to install ubuntu from the internet
[04:16] <kram3r> hey all
[04:17] <JoshRA> my cdrom drive is not working all that good
[04:17] <inCo> synaptic comes with version 2
[04:17] <kram3r> anyone had luck with s3 suspend and ubuntu (or linux for that matter)
[04:17] <inCo> i dont know how to install files i have downlo9aded manually
[04:17] <[thomas] > use the last version Sir
[04:17] <rob_p> ma3x:  It's in the config file... look for directives, "mydestination", "mynetworks", and "smtpd_recipient_restrictions" and make sure that they are setup properly...
[04:17] <[thomas] > don't download maually
[04:17] <[thomas] > i try that and suck with tha
[04:17] <calc> kram3r: it apparently works on some machines ;)
[04:18] <erisco> alright i was a little unclear about that
[04:18] <kram3r> I have had great luck with suspend to disk, just suspend to ram always breaks
[04:18] <erisco> i went through again and found some more specific questions
[04:18] <rob_p> ma3x:  As far as ssh, check your sshd config file and make sure it's sane...
[04:18] <[thomas] > ubotu Package 'ulimit' does not exist.
[04:18] <ubotu> [thomas] : I haven't a clue
[04:18] <[thomas] > lol
[04:18] <erisco> when i type in apache2 in my terminal, it complains saying the server does not know its qualified domain name
[04:18] <kev0r> Anyone here using the hilightwin.pl script in IRssi?
[04:18] <kram3r> calc: yeah, I was hoping to sell my powerbook on ebay and use my dell with ubuntu
[04:18] <erisco> so it uses my computer's ip instead
[04:18] <ma3x> rob_p: I just seen Sir, it's not installed
[04:19] <ma3x> what version do you preffer openssh or ssh?
[04:19] <kram3r> calc: it works fine, but power management is difficult withouth suspend to ram
[04:19] <calc> [thomas] : ulimit is part of the shell
[04:19] <erisco> how can i configure a qualified domain name for apache2?
[04:19] <erisco> in the conf file?
[04:19] <rob_p> ma3x:  Well, that would explain it now wouldn't it!!!
[04:19] <erisco> and if so... i am having a hard time finding it
[04:19] <ma3x> rob_p: absolutely Sir!
[04:19] <calc> kram3r: aiui it works with some non broken laptops, but getting it working in general is going to take a lot of work
[04:19] <[thomas] > calc do u now use that ?
[04:19] <[thomas] > i dunno
[04:20] <erisco> does anyone get what i am saying?
[04:20] <[thomas] > can teach me sir
[04:20] <inCo> how do i install files downloaded via web browser then?
[04:20] <calc> esp since video card makers suck
[04:20] <nJess> how do i install ndiswrapper into ubuntu 64?
[04:20] <cafuego> nJess: Same way as on 32bit. Do you have 64bit Windows drivers?
[04:20] <erisco> hmmmmm i guess no one is catching onto my problem
[04:21] <calc> [thomas] : type help ulimit at console screen
[04:21] <nJess> cafuego, its not working
[04:21] <erisco> oh shoot, i am not in the right channel
[04:21] <nJess> i have the drivers
[04:21] <JoshRA> Hello is there away to install ubuntu i do not have a working cdrom drive. My old linux install is not working.
[04:21] <erisco> sorry about that
[04:21] <nJess> i can't get utils and whatnot
[04:21] <JoshRA> Network Install
[04:21] <inCo> or better still how do i install kvirc version 3.2.0? im a linux newcomer
[04:21] <cafuego> nJess: Are the drivers 64bit?
[04:21] <zany> hey
[04:21] <calc> [thomas] : what are you wanting to use ulimit for by the way?
[04:21] <parabolize> nJess: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowtoUseNdiswrapperOnAmd64Ubuntu
[04:21] <nJess> cafuego, i cannot even get that far
[04:21] <zany> what's the package to install sun-j2re please ?
[04:21] <nJess> the drivers are
[04:21] <nJess> parabolize, thanks
[04:21] <zany> i can't find it :(
[04:22] <[thomas] > thanks very much sir calc
[04:22] <[thomas] > okay brb
[04:22] <raDeon> Linux ubuntu 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:12:40 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[04:22] <calc> nJess: to use ndiswrapper on amd64 port you must have a 64bit windows driver for the nic
[04:23] <cafuego> Holy shit
[04:23] <Zodiac> hey guys, I cant get my DMA to stay on for /dev/hdc
[04:23] <Zodiac> Any idears?
[04:23] <zany> Zodiac, what's your mobo?
[04:23] <cafuego> Zodiac: Then either the controller, the cable or the drive is probbaly going to die.
[04:23] <JoshRA> Any ideas?
[04:23] <Zodiac> hmmm
[04:23] <cpt> aloo
[04:23] <Zodiac> Well
[04:23] <zany> kt7?
[04:23] <Zodiac> I can turn it on with the terminal
[04:24] <Zodiac> and everything works great
[04:24] <nJess> calc, i have them
[04:24] <Zodiac> but the code in the DMA dma = on isnt working
[04:24] <zany> Zodiac, what's your motherboard ?
[04:24] <Zodiac> ummm
[04:24] <Zodiac> hold on a sec
[04:24] <zany> k
[04:24] <zany> what's the package to install sun-j2re please ?
[04:24] <Zodiac> It is an IBM T40 laptop
[04:25] <zany> Zodiac, sorry that does not help
[04:25] <Zodiac> ok let me see
[04:25] <JoshRA> Hello I am trying to find away to install ubuntu from the internet because my cdrom drive does not work. Does anyone know away:?
[04:25] <calc> zany: its not in ubuntu since its not legal to distribute
[04:25] <zany> j2re ? no one ?
[04:25] <cafuego> zany: Dopwnload the .bin (not rpm) from Sun and create your own using the 'make-jpkg' command frok 'java-package'.
[04:26] <JoshRA> Hello I am trying to find away to install ubuntu from the internet because my cdrom drive does not work. Does anyone know away:?
[04:26] <zany> cafuego, thanks
[04:26] <Harold> Hello again all.
[04:27] <Zodiac> damn I have no idea
[04:27] <Harold> JoshRA: I've heard of a way you can do that...
[04:27] <Zodiac> Apparently Ubuntu doesnt know either
[04:27] <a3a> how do i mount the hd in ubuntu live?
[04:27] <aru> JoshRA: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-29358.html
[04:27] <Harold> JoshRA: You can install debian and then change the sources.list to install Ubuntu.
[04:27] <cafuego> JoshRA: you'll need a tftp server and some images you can use with it.
[04:28] <aru> JoshRA: I did a google search for Ubuntu net install and thats what it gave me
[04:28] <rob_p> JoshRA:  found this from a google search... maybe it'll help as well:  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-25269.html
[04:28] <Zodiac> zany, why would the motherboard make a differnce?
[04:28] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> Hey, can anyone help me network hoary and windows xp?
[04:28] <zany> because i just had the same problem
[04:28] <zany> until i changed the mobo this morning
[04:28] <zany> now everything is fine
[04:29] <Zodiac> hmmm
[04:29] <Zodiac> even with the code added to hdparm?
[04:29] <zany> i had hdd dma problems
[04:29] <ma3x> Sir rob_p : May I ask you if postfix reads the configuration of usr/share/postfix/main.cf.dist as well, or I have to enter all options from there to /etc/postfix/main.cf ?
[04:29] <QMario>  Is there a "Package Manager" for SUSE?
[04:29] <Zodiac> I don't seem to have any once it is enabled
[04:29] <lamont>  ma3x main.cf.dist is the defaults for all the values.
[04:29] <aru> QMario: try #suse
[04:30] <JoshRA> rob_p: since i can not use a cdrom
[04:30] <ma3x> lamont: I am sorry I didn't get that, is it the default file for all the values?
[04:30] <Nefarous> Cry_Ubuntu_Mac: what do you need?
[04:30] <JoshRA> i can not install debian
[04:30] <zany> :oP
[04:30] <lamont> ma3x: postconf -d
[04:30] <lamont> the that's how main.cf.dist is created.
[04:30] <aru> JoshRA: try the link I pasted
[04:30] <JoshRA> i do not haev a tftp server
[04:30] <JoshRA> or a linux server
[04:30] <JoshRA> i can use
[04:30] <lamont> main.cf is only the non-default values.  main.cf.dist is there for your reading pleasure, and nothing more
[04:30] <Harold> JoshRA: Sorry, JoshRA.  That's the only way I know how to do it.
[04:31] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> Once more, anyone know how to use samba to create a local network with windows?
[04:31] <aru> JoshRA: did you try the link I pasted
[04:31] <aru> !samba
[04:31] <ubotu> methinks samba is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[04:31] <Zodiac> Does anybody else have any ideas as to why my DMA will not turn on by default?
[04:31] <Hoxzer> :D I found out that you have to have some free space in HDD so Ubuntu can start
[04:31] <JoshRA> aru: trhat is what i am talking about
[04:31] <aru> Cry_Ubuntu_Mac: try the link ubotu said
[04:31] <aru> JoshRA: are you sure?
[04:31] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> ubotu rocks. thank you
[04:31] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, Cry_Ubuntu_Mac
[04:31] <JoshRA> 22:27:45 < aru> JoshRA: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-29358.html
[04:32] <nJess> okay, i have the correct drivers
[04:32] <aru> Cry_Ubuntu_Mac: did you order a ubuntu cd from ubuntu.com?
[04:32] <aru> err
[04:32] <nJess> but when i do modprobe ndiswrapper it stops responding
[04:32] <rob_p> JoshRA:  It's hard to live without a CDROM drive these days... maybe you should consider investing in one!  They can be had for just a few bucks if you look around...
[04:32] <zany> cafuego, i got the .bin - now i have to get the package "java-common" ? that's right ?
[04:32] <JoshRA> rob_p: mine had just borke
[04:32] <Nefarous> Are there any hot keys to toggle between virtual desktops? On KDE it's Alt-Tab, does ubuntu/gnome have anything similar?
[04:32] <aru> JoshRA: did you try ordering a cd from ubuntu
[04:33] <JoshRA> yes but my cdrom drive is broken so that is no help tp me
[04:33] <aru> JoshRA: did you try taking the soda cans to the store?
[04:33] <JoshRA> to busy with work :/
[04:34] <aru> oh so you have a job... wait until payday and get a cdr :)
[04:34] <JoshRA> 2 weeks
[04:34] <JoshRA> >.<
[04:34] <JoshRA> i can not stand being in windows that long
[04:34] <Davey> JoshRA, got a floppy drive?
[04:34] <JaZy84> i think i'm just going to reinstall but this time use a 5.04 to fix my mp3 playback problem :(
[04:34] <JoshRA> i will throw the computer out the window
[04:34] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> yeah, ubotu, aru that was it. thanks.
[04:34] <JoshRA> yes Davey i do
[04:34] <Davey> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29358
[04:34] <Davey> might be of interest ;)
[04:35] <aru> Cry_Ubuntu_Mac: awesome, you can try !anything with that bot and almost always get a match
[04:35] <SquareGuy> Nefarous, look under System/Preferences/Keyboard Shortcuts.  you can set it up however you like
[04:35] <Davey> JoshRA, oh, looks like someone laready gave you that link
[04:36] <JoshRA> yes
[04:36] <Nefarous> SquareGuy: thanks I'm already there, it hit me after I typed in the question ...
[04:36] <JoshRA> for some reason
[04:36] <JoshRA> the fl;oppy isnot reasoning
[04:36] <Jhonen> Guys I am having trouble, I installed Ubuntu and now I can't find Microsoft Explorer
[04:36] <SquareGuy> Nefarous, np
[04:36] <cafuego> aru/Cry_Ubuntu_Mac: And if not, there's also the !listkeys <string> or !listvals <string> commands for searching factoids by keyword.
[04:36] <Chris_Tucker> how do i set my samba server to allow guest access?? THAT is access without a login prompt on the remote computer???????????????
[04:36] <Davey> Chris_Tucker, you only need one ? in the english language
[04:36] <nalioth> Jhonen: that is a serious problem
[04:36] <Jhonen> :(
[04:37] <Jhonen> I can't find my games either
[04:37] <Chris_Tucker> Davey it seems that doesnt work anymore in here
[04:37] <equex> where is a good place to put commands you want run right before the desktop is loaded ?
[04:37] <aru> Jhonen: what are you trying to do?
[04:37] <Davey> Chris_Tucker, and try editing the /etc/samba/smb.conf
[04:37] <cafuego> Jhonen: Did you tell the installer to use the entire disk?
[04:37] <equex> i seem to have no rc.boot ir rc.local
[04:37] <Jhonen> I wanted to install linux because I heard it was good
[04:37] <Jhonen> now I can't find microsoft internet explorer
[04:37] <nalioth> equex: system > preferences > session mangler
[04:37] <Jhonen> It has my book marks
[04:37] <cafuego> Jhonen: Are you running Linux at the moment?
[04:37] <aru> Jhonen: it is, but did you try Applications > Internet > Mozilla Firefox?
[04:38] <Jhonen> No
[04:38] <Chris_Tucker> Davey that doesnt seem to contain what i need. the access line for user-specific line is commented out
[04:38] <Jhonen> This is my friends computer
[04:38] <t3rror> does anyone know how to set my nic to wake on lan?
[04:38] <Davey> Chris_Tucker, GIYF
[04:38] <t3rror> i want to be able to ssh into my router and then wake this machine from there
[04:38] <aru> Jhonen: Firefox is a web browser which kicks IEs arse, try that
[04:38] <cafuego> Jhonen: Did you tell the installer to overwrite the entire disk on your own computer?
[04:38] <Jhonen> But where did all my software go!?
[04:38] <aru> Jhonen: :)
[04:38] <Jhonen> I told it to use the whole thing
[04:38] <auk> Jhonen, it is impossible to completely remove IE form windwos...w/o seriously messing up the system
[04:38] <cafuego> Jhonen: Then it wiped EVERYTHING.
[04:38] <Chris_Tucker> Davey GIYF?
[04:39] <Davey> Chris_Tucker, Google Is Your Friend
[04:39] <Jhonen> WIPED!? It didn't say it would wipe out all the software!?
[04:39] <equex> nalioth: alright, trying to find that :D
[04:39] <t3rror> holy shit....
[04:39] <Chris_Tucker> Davey, i am aware of this
[04:39] <cafuego> Jhonen: What did you think would happen then?
[04:39] <auk> Jhonen: you told it to use the whole drive?
[04:39] <t3rror> did this guy just format his hd and not know it
[04:39] <Jhonen> I thought it would look like the screen shots
[04:39] <Jhonen> and i'd just close it when I was done
[04:39] <cafuego> t3rror: yeah
[04:39] <t3rror> hah
[04:39] <t3rror> that is entertainment
[04:39] <rob_p> Jhonen:  Your PC has been assimilated (sp?)...
[04:39] <t3rror> i hope you didn't have anything important on there
[04:40] <Nefarous> either that or he's just having phun with us
[04:40] <t3rror> all the pron and mp3's are gone
[04:40] <Jhonen> XD
[04:40] <raDeon> what's the command to see load
[04:40] <nJess> hey, are there any known issues with IPN2220 chipset wireless cards in 64bit os?
[04:40] <Jhonen> I wouldn't have fun
[04:40] <cafuego> Jhonen: No, it creates a partition on disk and installs to that. It normally lives side by side with windows, but if you wold it to use the entire disk, it wiped windows.
[04:40] <Davey> raDeon, top
[04:40] <auk> Jhonen: if you told it to wip[e the drive, you didn't think it would wipe the drive?!?
[04:40] <Jhonen> Really?
[04:40] <raDeon> what's the other one
[04:40] <Davey> Jhonen, and every single file on the disk
[04:40] <raDeon> that just shows you the load averages
[04:40] <t3rror> anything on the wake on lan settings?
[04:40] <windex> raDeon, w
[04:40] <Davey> raDeon, uptime?
[04:40] <raDeon> ah yeah uptime
[04:40] <t3rror> its all toast jhonen
[04:40] <Jhonen> I thought wiping would clean it, I didnt think it was the same as delete
[04:40] <raDeon> and what is "w"
[04:41] <cafuego> nalioth: Sheesh, haven't you had a shower? ;-)
[04:41] <Nefarous> now I know he's screwing with us
[04:41] <CarlFK> Jhonen - (I am assuming you are telling the truth) It did warn you, and ask you at least one more time.
[04:41] <nalioth> Jhonen: your windows has been cleansed
[04:41] <auk> nalioth: rofl
[04:41] <auk> Jhonen: it did clean th edrive...of windows
[04:41] <aru> either he was really dumb, or just really dumb
[04:41] <cafuego> windex: What did you do to Jhonens windows?
[04:42] <SquareGuy> I think the default install should wipe windows without asking ;)
[04:42] <t3rror> you should have used knoppix
[04:42] <t3rror> lol
[04:42] <windex> cafuego, right, blame me! it was.. TROGDOR!
[04:42] <rob_p> Jhonen:  I'd say it did a great job of "cleaning" your PC!
[04:42] <auk> Jhonen: it sanitized your hard drive
[04:42] <auk> no more FAT :D
[04:42] <cafuego> windex: How can I not blame you? ;-)
[04:42] <Nefarous> he's gone, no more wiping discussion, he was screwing with us anyhow ...
[04:42] <windex> cafuego, watch it, or i will build cpanbuntu, a version of ubuntu that updates via cpan and not apt!
[04:43] <cafuego> ANd if not, it's probably too much to hope ha had a backup.
[04:43] <aru> Nefarous: I almost felt sorry for the guy for a minute
[04:43] <rob_p> yeah... talk about trimmin' the FAT... he, he, he
[04:43] <Nefarous> windex: now that is funny!
[04:43] <cafuego> windex: As lithp script under EmacsOS?
[04:43] <auk> Nefarious: but of course
[04:43] <windex> cafuego, buaha.
[04:43] <SquareGuy> spwaking of wiping though what is some good hardware to actually wipe a drive, i'm gonna have to send my laptop in for service soon.
[04:43] <windex> cafuego, instead of X you'll get a emacs login window! it'll be schweet!
[04:43] <SquareGuy> i meant software duh
[04:43] <nalioth> SquareGuy: shred
[04:43] <cafuego> SquareGuy: /dev/hammer
[04:43] <auk> Nefarious: if i thought he was serious, i woudl have been nicer ;D
[04:44] <SquareGuy> nalioth, cafuego thx
[04:44] <Nefarous> :)
[04:44] <cafuego> SquareGuy: After my suggestion you'll need a new drive, though.
[04:44] <aru> auk: I actually gave the guy the menu links to open Firefox... maybe I'm the dumb one :)
[04:44] <SquareGuy> cafuego, well that wouldnt be any good then
[04:44] <nalioth> SquareGuy: cafuego's method will definitely secure your data
[04:44] <linlin> is there any way i can mount a bin/cue as a cdrom drive or hard drive?
[04:45] <equex> nalioth: are you talking about the session manager in the control centre ?
[04:45] <cafuego> aru: You can't automagically assume anyonbe asking a dumb question is a troll..
[04:45] <nalioth> SquareGuy: the "shred" method might leave something that 4 or 5 superputers would need a few years to pull up
[04:45] <windex> cafuego, emabuntucpan will rule the world!
[04:45] <aru> cafuego: but I can assume you are!!! :)
[04:45] <auk> aru: i do not see how anyone that stupid would be abl eto get his comp to boot from an install cd in the first place...the installer warns you like, five times
[04:45] <nalioth> equex: system > preferences > session
[04:45] <cafuego> linlin: No, you must convert it to iso first. use bchunk
[04:45] <windex> SquareGuy, just drill a hole through the disk platter and call it done.
[04:45] <windex> SquareGuy, anyone who wants to work around that deserves your data.
[04:45] <linlin> bchunk will convert it to iso?
[04:45] <auk> cafuego: *
[04:46] <cafuego> aru: I CAN'T GET CLICK-N-RUN TO INSTALL ANYTHING!!!?
[04:46] <aru> auk: he did say he was using a friends computer, so maybe he booted in, deleted everything... ah fsck it
[04:46] <nalioth> cafuego: "a" dumb question, no, but a whole series of the most stupid lines of reasoning?
[04:46] <aru> heh
[04:46] <cafuego> nalioth: You'd be surprised...
[04:46] <equex> nalioth: heh i forgot i was in #ubuntu.. i  am using kde
[04:46] <aru> if I had click-n-run, I wouldn't need to work out anymore
[04:46] <SquareGuy> windex, hehe nah i will need to use the drive again
[04:46] <auk> equex: buuuuuurrrnn at the STAKE!
[04:46] <nalioth> cafuego: the "i cant find IE" gave it away (classic trolling line)
[04:47] <nalioth> equex: i'm not familiar with KDE and its startup mechanisms
[04:47] <auk> aru: lol
[04:47] <cafuego> nalioth: I was thinking he meant he couldn't boot windows
[04:47] <aru> auk: glad someone caught that
[04:47] <cafuego> nalioth: ... coz he wiped it.
[04:47] <skalpel> how can i play wma files in ubuntu?
[04:47] <aru> cafuego: glad to see I wasn't the only one fooled
[04:47] <aru> !wma
[04:47] <ubotu> aru: I don't know, could you explain it?
[04:47] <aru> !mp3
[04:47] <ubotu> I guess mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[04:47] <auk> aru: yeah, but it was a pretty lame joke :)
[04:47] <aru> heh
[04:47] <Nefarous> I'm trying to build Qt4, what package contains X11/Xlib.h ?
[04:47] <cafuego> !w32codecs
[04:47] <ubotu> from memory, w32codecs is a set of codecs needed to play many common audio and video formats, such as WMV. You can install w32codecs from the hoary-extras repositories (see: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org).
[04:47] <nalioth> !info w32codecs
[04:47] <paradizelost> hey all.  how do i get mount.cifs support???
[04:48] <aru> auk: I wasn't sure how to spell excersize... (sp)
[04:48] <skalpel> no more codecs.
[04:48] <skalpel> =)
[04:48] <cafuego> !find mount.cifs
[04:48] <ubotu> Ubuntu Search of 'mount.cifs' (3 shown): (/sbin/mount.cifs) in otherosfs/smbfs ;; (/usr/share/samba/swat/help/mount.cifs.8.html) in universe/net/swat ;; (/usr/share/doc/samba-doc/htmldocs/mount.cifs.8.html) in doc/samba-doc.
[04:48] <windex> skalpel, i beleive some builds of VLC make this possible. http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
[04:48] <cafuego> paradizelost: install 'smbfs'
[04:49] <Madpilot> nalioth: see one "I can't find IE on Linux" that might not be a troll: http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=94318
[04:49] <cafuego> !dict excercise
[04:49] <ubotu> could not find definition for excercise
[04:49] <cafuego> ubotu: you lie
[04:49] <ubotu> cafuego: Wish i knew
[04:49] <linlin> cafuego, gow do i use this bchunk?
[04:49] <cafuego> linlin: man bchunk
[04:49] <linlin> how**
[04:50] <rob_p> SquareGuy:  Is it you that was asking about wiping a hard disk?
[04:50] <t3rror> no one here is interested in letting me in on the wake on lan features in ubuntu?
[04:50] <cafuego> SquareGuy: You could also just plonk a password on the bootloader (or remove the HD)
[04:50] <windex> t3rror, wake on lan is typically a bios feature.
[04:50] <SquareGuy> rob_p, yeah i was just reading about shred and it doesnt look like it will do what i need
[04:50] <ma3x> cafuego: can you please help me with postfix?
[04:51] <t3rror> windex, what if the nic isn't onboard the motherboard
[04:51] <levander> If you write a multi-session disc, can you read all the sessions?  Or, just the last session written?
[04:51] <rob_p> SquareGuy:  Check this out:  http://dban.sourceforge.net/  It's a bootable cd that you can use to wipe all data from the drive.  I think it has an NSA-level wiping scheme...
[04:51] <Nefarous> SquareGuy: how serious of a wipe do you want?  You can simply use dd to write 0's, or you can do government standard 7 pass wipes ...
[04:51] <t3rror> it is an add-in pci
[04:51] <rob_p> SquareGuy:  I've used it before... it's pretty good!
[04:51] <lamont> ma3x: what are you trying to do with postfix?
[04:51] <cafuego> Next time, don't put goatpr0n on it to begin with ;-)
[04:52] <skalpel> if i have to instance of synaptic running but i still get this error: E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[04:52] <skalpel> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[04:52] <skalpel>  when trying to use apt-get what does it mean?
[04:52] <cafuego> skalpel: It needs to run as root.
[04:52] <ma3x> lamont: I am trying to send myself email from my Yahoo to my local
[04:52] <cafuego> skalpel: 'sudo synaptic'
[04:52] <ma3x> Remote host said: 554 <ma3x@ma3x.mine.nu>: Relay access denied
[04:52] <skalpel> ok, thank you
[04:53] <ma3x> and I get this Giving up on 194.158.241.198.
[04:53] <ma3x> 194.158.241.198 does not like recipient.
[04:53] <SquareGuy> rob_p, thx ill look at it Nefarous i didnt see an option for entire drive, just files and it said for individual files i would need a non-journaled file system and i use ext3
[04:53] <windex> t3rror, unless the board/nic support it, ubuntu, to my knowledge, has no way to boot the computer, as it is not executing anything if the machine is powered off.
[04:53] <lamont> ma3x: and you have inet_interfaces = all (or commented out) in /etc/postfix/main.cf?
[04:53] <ma3x> lamont: I have them commented
[04:53] <lamont> and what do you have for mydestination?
[04:53] <skalpel> can someoen explain to me how to find broken packages in synaptic?
[04:53] <ma3x> mydestination = localhost.localdomain, localhost.localdomain, localhost
[04:54] <Zartan> I found good instruction getting Logitech QuickCam Express running in Ubuntu, but I haven't found any english language page. So I haven't webcam runnig yet. Could someone help me or translate one of help pages? :)
[04:54] <windex> t3rror, if you are talking about exiting apci sleep on lan activity, that may be possible, but i've never done it.
[04:54] <lamont> add the hostname, postfix reload, and all should be well
[04:54] <ma3x> lamont: can i just put localhost?
[04:54] <ma3x> that won't resolve ?
[04:54] <jasmuz> Zartan: if you find one in spanish i would translate it for ya
[04:54] <lamont> ma3x: well, if you can send email to localhost and have it arrive at your machine, then it'll work.  but I don't think yahoo will route localhost to your machine
[04:54] <Zartan> jasmuz :) I try
[04:55] <ma3x> lamont: what should i put at relayhost ?
[04:55] <ma3x> also the hostname?
[04:55] <Nefarous> SquareGuy: everything is a file in Linux, dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/hda, but you obviously can't do it to the hard drive while the OS is on it :)  Either use a boot CD, or make it a secondary disk
[04:55] <lamont> if the destination domain name is not in mydestination, then postfix assumes that it must relay for that domain
[04:55] <SquareGuy> Nefarous, i got ya now ithought you were talking about shred
[04:55] <rob_p> ma3x:  You need to study a little more about the proper requirements for setting up a mailserver that participates on a public network.  It really should be on a static IP with proper forward and reverse DNS entries for a domain that you control.  Then, you should take the time to make sure it will only deliver mail from local/trusted hosts and that it will only receive external mail for which it considers itself the final de
[04:55] <rob_p> stination.
[04:55] <auk> !/dev/hammer
[04:55] <ubotu> I don't know, auk
[04:55] <lamont> ma3x: if your ISP requires that you use a relay host, you'll want that hostname in [] .  If you can deliver mail directly, then you probably want to leave relayhost blank
[04:56] <auk> :(
[04:57] <aru> cafuego: how is it you get ubotu to message someone a link?
[04:57] <jantan21> hellow all
[04:57] <cralost> hi everyone
[04:57] <haon99> what is this ubuntu
[04:57] <Madpilot> aur "tell <foo> about <bar>"
[04:57] <nalioth> aru:  you say !tell <whomever> about <factoid>
[04:57] <rob_p> ma3x:  What is your purpose for running your own MTA other than local mail delivery (which can be done on local loopback)?
[04:57] <haon99> what makes it better than other linux distros?
[04:58] <aru> ok
[04:58] <nalioth> aru: or you /msg ubotu tell <whomever> about <factoid>
[04:58] <aru> awesome, thanks
[04:58] <aru> I've found its easier to type !foo than to actually help people
[04:59] <Madpilot> !ubotu
[04:59] <ubotu> it has been said that ubotu is uh... Thaaat's me! I'm a bot. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu!
[04:59] <windex> haon99, it's about what you like to use. ubuntu provides an easy to use, debian based gnome desktop, that looks pretty good and works well regardless of your experience level.
[04:59] <jantan21> how domain for ubuntu
[04:59] <haon99> I see
[04:59] <aru> !tell aru about mp3
[04:59] <aru> ok thats easy enough
[05:00] <auk> hehe, ubotu's got an ego, i see
[05:00] <aru> haon99: are you a windows user?
[05:01] <ma3x> rob_p: I can't get it working Sir, it says localhost.localdomain loops back to myself
[05:01] <ma3x> but it should loop to itself, right?
[05:01] <auk> !linux
[05:01] <ubotu> rumour has it, linux is the kernel (core) of the Ubuntu operating system. Ubuntu is only one version of the GNU/Linux operating system. For more information on Linux in general, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
[05:03] <amarcucci> hey, sorry if it seems like a stupid thing to ask, what do i have to add to fstab to mount another ntfs hard drive?
[05:03] <aru> amarcucci: http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html <- good fstab info
[05:03] <Madpilot> auk: you can do "/msg ubotu <foo>" if you want to chat with the bot at length
[05:03] <lJlolel> hello
[05:03] <rob_p> ma3x:  You didn't answer my question...  Properly setting up an MTA takes a little more than just "tinkering" with configs until you get it to work.  Blindly putting an MTA on the 'Net can cause both you and your ISP some trouble!
[05:04] <lJlolel> just installed ubuntu, Screen Resolution doesn't open
[05:04] <auk> Madpilot: we are allowed to caht w/ him at length?
[05:04] <aru> lJlolel: system > preferences > screen resolution?
[05:04] <amarcucci> thanks, I'll check it out
[05:04] <Madpilot> auk: sure. it's useful if you've got a bunch of questions, or are writing new blurbs for ubotu
[05:05] <lJlolel> right, i click it, i get the waiting icon in the bar, but then it closes and no window opens
[05:05] <ma3x> I want only local mail transfer agent
[05:05] <aru> weird
[05:05] <auk> hmm, i though the powers that be didn't liek people taxing bots
[05:05] <cafuego> auk: I've already paid GST on ubotu
[05:06] <rob_p> ma3x:  Then why open it up to the 'Net in the first place?
[05:06] <ma3x> rob_p: do you know if kmail can check web mail from hotmail?
[05:06] <Madpilot> cafuego: :)
[05:06] <ma3x> rob_p: to be able to send??
[05:07] <rob_p> ma3x:  Not sure.  I don't use Hotmail and don't know what capabilities they offer.  Most certainely they won't let you connect to their SMTP service for sending unless they require credentials, etc.
[05:07] <lJlolel> my screen is currently 640x480 :(
[05:08] <f_newton> hotmail is horrible
[05:08] <Madpilot> !resolution
[05:08] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:08] <f_newton> gmail is good
[05:08] <six2one> has anyone tried breezy lately? does x die after apt?
[05:08] <lJlolel> thanks!
[05:08] <cafuego> six2one: yes
[05:08] <aru> f_newton: some of us are stuck with hotmail
[05:08] <cafuego> !info xutils breezy
[05:08] <ubotu> xutils: (X Window System utility programs), section x11, is optional. Version: 6.8.2-42 (breezy), Packaged size: 60 kB, Installed size: 156 kB
[05:08] <lJlolel> and do you suggest xfce?
[05:08] <cafuego> aru: gmail
[05:08] <rob_p> ma3x:  If you want you MTA to be able to send e-mail out to the 'Net, configure it to relay via your ISP's smarthost.
[05:08] <Amaranth> six2one: Supposedly right now an upgrade from hoary to breezy will somewhat work.
[05:08] <lJlolel> resolution
[05:09] <lJlolel> what does !resolution mean?
[05:09] <esac_> I am running linux on an old laptop (p2 366). On it I have apache. I tried downloading a file locally to another system, and it copied ok. But afterwards, my linux box is freezing, "top" shows a lot of time (81%) being spent in "wa" under CPU times and I don't know what that is
[05:09] <Amaranth> six2one: I mean X will somewhat work.
[05:09] <aru> cafuego: I have MSN as my isp...
[05:09] <auk> aru: i feel sorry for you
[05:09] <cafuego> Amaranth: xutils -42 is the broken one.
[05:09] <esac_> there also seems to be a lot of time being spent in apache2
[05:09] <aru> auk: I love you too
[05:09] <cafuego> aru: So?
[05:09] <windex> aru: if you honestly do not have a gmail account by now... :P
[05:09] <Amaranth> cafuego: xutils is a metapackage
[05:09] <benplaut> MUAHAHAHAHA!
[05:09] <whitefang> hello
[05:09] <benplaut> i finally struck a deal that works!
[05:09] <Amaranth> six2one: but you have to install a bunch of extra stuff too
[05:09] <gigaclon> anyone want a gmail?
[05:09] <aru> lJlolel: follow that link that ubotu posted
[05:09] <auk> lJoloel: prepend a message with "!" and ubotu will respond
[05:09] <gigaclon> :)
[05:09] <ma3x> rob_p: how do i discover my isp's smarthost?
[05:09] <Amaranth> six2one: xrdb, xauth, xprop, and some more
[05:09] <whitefang> i just installed ubuntu, and i don't remember it giving me the option to set a root password
[05:09] <benplaut> gigaclon: we all have them
[05:09] <lJlolel> !resolution
[05:09] <ubotu> I guess resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:09] <lJlolel> oh i see, thanks
[05:10] <aru> like that :)
[05:10] <gigaclon> :)
[05:10] <Madpilot> !sudo
[05:10] <ubotu> it has been said that sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:10] <benplaut> ^^read that
[05:10] <Madpilot> whitefang: see ubotu's post
[05:10] <auk> !tell lJlolel about resolution
[05:10] <cafuego> Amaranth: My version -33 isn't (and IT contains the tools needed) was there a busted depend?
[05:10] <six2one> hoary cant update properly for me anymore and i cant download the packages i need anymore, cause thet fail
[05:10] <Amaranth> cafuego: err, what?
[05:10] <rob_p> ma3x:  What (sub) domain name did they provide for their SMTP service?  That's what you'd probably use...
[05:10] <lJlolel> auk, heh thats neat
[05:11] <Amaranth> cafuego: you're missing xprop, xrdb, xauth, these are all seperated out, xutils is supposed to depend on them
[05:11] <aru> lJlolel: it works with almost every question you have :)
[05:11] <six2one> so i was hopeful that breezy made progress to where its useable
[05:11] <auk> aru: not true
[05:11] <rob_p> ma3x:  ...something like mail.yourisp.com or similar...
[05:11] <cafuego> Amaranth: xutils 6.8.2-33 on amd64 is what I had to install to get the tools back (worked fine)
[05:11] <benplaut> i said that i wouldn't re-install windows onto their computer (4 years without a reinstall... ouch) unless they let me have 10gb for Ubuntu, and they have to promise to give it some time...
[05:11] <benplaut> success!
[05:11] <Amaranth> cafuego: i dunno if -42 does or not but it is supposed to
[05:11] <Amaranth> cafuego: reread what i just said
[05:11] <whitefang> sweet, thanks.
[05:11] <aru> auk: well once he gets his resolution set he probably wants to play an mp3
[05:11] <cafuego> !depedns xutils breezy
[05:11] <ubotu> cafuego: I give up, what is it?
[05:11] <auk> aru, lol
[05:11] <aru> :)
[05:12] <cafuego> Amaranth: I understand what you just said.
[05:12] <Amaranth> cafuego: reread it again
[05:12] <Amaranth> cafuego: Don't tell me X is broken, I'm looking at it working.
[05:12] <cafuego> Amaranth: I fixed it by downgrading to a non-metapackage version.
[05:12] <ma3x> rob_p: I didn't find any option 'smarthost' in the config file, what is the exact option name Sir?
[05:12] <aru> why sir?
[05:12] <hmrocha> hello
[05:12] <hmrocha> x is still broken?
[05:12] <hmrocha> :(
[05:12] <rob_p> ma3x:  look for "relayhost" or similar...
[05:12] <cafuego> Amaranth: The depends are not fixed as of the current list on ubotu.
[05:13] <mebaran151> Amaranth: how do you fix X
[05:13] <ma3x> Why, because I call Sir rob_p Sir
[05:13] <hmrocha> i was just thinking about installing breezy colony-2
[05:13] <Amaranth> cafuego: reread what I said
[05:13] <ma3x> because he is a Sir
[05:13] <Amaranth> cafuego: I said they might not be yet.
[05:13] <mebaran151> hmrocha: it works
[05:13] <knowledge_> ok, I've done this a million times and can't seem to remember for the life of me...how do I add something to modprobe?
[05:13] <Amaranth> cafuego: And I mentioned some of the things you need to install.
[05:13] <aru> ma3x: good enough for me
[05:13] <mebaran151> but upgrade really carefully
[05:13] <cafuego> Amaranth: Just conforming it :-)
[05:13] <windex> ma3x, he's been knighted?
[05:13] <cafuego> s/o/i/
[05:13] <rob_p> he, he!
[05:13] <Amaranth> mebaran151: You need to install xrdb, xauth, xprop, xinit, and maybe a couple of other packages
[05:13] <Zartan> jasmuz: I found only french :/ http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?pid=54071. This thing may be good get to HowTo - page in future
[05:13] <skalpel> can someone tell me why i get a small blip coming from the file i want to play before th file actually starts to play in rhythmbox?
[05:13] <ma3x> rob_p: Thank you, and have a good night Sir!
[05:14] <Amaranth> mebaran151: make sure xkeyboard-config is installed properly (try reinstalling it)
[05:14] <rob_p> That's ok... we're all sirs in my book!
[05:14] <rob_p> ma3x:  Ok... take care!
[05:14] <hmrocha> mebaran151, i'll install breezy colony-2 from the cd, in another partition, just to be safe :)
[05:14] <whitefang> hmmm
[05:14] <whitefang> weird
[05:14] <Mr> I have just installed Ubuntu and cannot find my other harddrive?
[05:14] <Amaranth> knowledge_: You mean make a module load on boot up?
[05:14] <Amaranth> knowledge_: /etc/modules
[05:14] <gigaclon> !mount
[05:14] <ubotu> well, mount is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[05:14] <aru> Mr: was it ntfs?
[05:14] <knowledge_> Amaranth, Mann!...that's what it is...
[05:14] <amarcucci> what should I do if after mounting a hard drive i get a notice saying that I don't have the necessary permission to view its contents?
[05:14] <thrice`> Mr, dmesg | grep hd
[05:14] <knowledge_> I sweat I think I'm slow sometimes
[05:14] <thrice`> find it yourself :)
[05:14] <knowledge_> swear**
[05:15] <mebaran151> amarucci, you have to add a option to the mount
[05:15] <gigaclon> !tell Mr about mount
[05:15] <mebaran151> users is the normal one
[05:15] <mebaran151> I believe
[05:15] <mebaran151> it is either user or users
[05:15] <amarcucci> y added auto,user
[05:15] <amarcucci> I*
[05:15] <mebaran151> I think you need users
[05:15] <mebaran151> user will mount with root as the user
[05:15] <mulhollandj> good evening, I am trying to get mp3 player software working on my system - I can listen to .ogg files with music player but I can't get any sound from amorak, noatun, or juk - any ideas?
[05:16] <gigaclon> MrTeatime, did you read wiki page
[05:16] <Madpilot> ubotu tell mulhollandj about mp3
[05:16] <chibifs> Hey, I know this is a longshot, but does anyone know of a full-screen window manager (Other than matchbox)? Or maybe something that allows you to run specific programs as panels?
[05:17] <MrTeatime> Working on it now
[05:17] <chibifs> I'm trying to build a unique interface for a mobile device, but with little effort :P
[05:18] <windex> chibifs, i'd like to suggest you go to school, get an MBA, and then hire lackeys to do the real work? :D
[05:19] <Zartan> jasmuz: Understand you french language?
[05:19] <chibifs> windex - No point, these technologies already exist in matchbox and the swallow application for the gnome panel.
[05:19] <poningru> whats a good way to monitor your cpu temp? I want something in the panel or something
[05:19] <windex> k. :)
[05:19] <chibifs> I'm just looking to see if there are other options.
[05:19] <cafuego> poningru: ln-sensors is the *only* way.
[05:19] <windex> poningru, i don't think the kernel modules required to do motherboard sensor polling are actually in the mainstream kernel yet?
[05:20] <cafuego> windex: They have been for ages
[05:20] <windex> oh.
[05:20] <windex> ok. :)
[05:20] <Madpilot> lm-sensors works - with xsensors or ksensors for front-end
[05:20] <poningru> ok
[05:20] <poningru> will that go into the notification area?
[05:20] <Madpilot> poningru: the front-end will.
[05:20] <draft> need to install 2.6.12 kernel on hoary for sound card, what's the best way to do that ?
[05:20] <windex> cafuego, last time i had to use it, was on debian, the debian install package wouldn't work with 2.6, and the 2.6 kernel tree wasn't compatible with new lm-sensors from source.
[05:20] <equex> one more thing (only slightly kde related this time). i have a problem with my dvdrom. it used to work properly (i installed the ubuntu dvd with it too), now suddenly it cant read any DVD roms, though it CAN read normal CD's. It detects that i insert a DVD too, though i get "Malformed URL" from Konquerer if i try to access it. any idea ?
[05:21] <poningru> hehe
[05:21] <poningru> thanks guys
[05:21] <cafuego> windex: [13:11]   + windex stabs cafuego for having a cooler machine than he does.  <-- what's that all about?
[05:21] <windex> cafuego, you're on amd64 :(
[05:22] <cafuego> windex: That's coz lm-sensors is IN the 2.6 kernel.
[05:22] <poningru> equex: have you tried opening it with another dvd player?
[05:22] <poningru> like vlc or somethin?
[05:22] <cafuego> windex: nothing cooler about amd64
[05:22] <chibifs> For the most part, I'm trying to build something like centericq, but system-wide (for a PDA). Have something going like XFCE vs KDE/GNOME for the PDA Linux market :P
[05:22] <windex> cafuego, tempature wise, no. bragging rights? yes.
[05:22] <chibifs> Everyone uses opie or gpe! :O
[05:22] <skalpel> can someone tell me why i get a small blip coming from the file i want to play before th file actually starts to play in rhythmbox?
[05:22] <equex> poningru: yes it fails no matter what i try. even from console into /media/cdrom0
[05:23] <CarlFK> is there a "how to setup nfs" page somewhere?
[05:23] <poningru> hmm
[05:23] <equex> this is just DVD roms with data files on them
[05:23] <poningru> !nfs
[05:23] <ubotu> No idea, poningru
[05:23] <equex> not movies
[05:23] <poningru> oh
[05:23] <poningru> ic
[05:23] <CarlFK> rats.
[05:23] <iana> hi room
[05:23] <CarlFK> hi iana
[05:24] <raDeon> question
[05:24] <iana> newby here, want to know how to check what services is running in ubuntu>
[05:24] <raDeon> i installed w32codecs
[05:24] <cafuego> windex: Nah
[05:24] <raDeon> but Music Player says no plugin is installed to handle MP3 file
[05:24] <cafuego> windex: Just sensible; it was cheaper than building an intel box or an AthlonXP box.
[05:25] <iana> anyone>
[05:25] <iana> ?
[05:25] <cafuego> CarlFK: Install an NFS server (kernel or user) and configure /etc/exports (man exports)
[05:25] <pestilence> iana: ps aux
[05:25] <skalpel> what does it mean if you get the error 'nautilus could not show //:burner in nautilus when burning a cd?
[05:25] <knowledge_> i'm an idiot
[05:26] <skalpel> or burner://
[05:26] <cafuego> !knowledge is an idiot
[05:26] <ubotu> cafuego: okay
[05:26] <mulhollandj> When I try to run amarok I get an error that it can't initialize the sound driver because a resource is busy.  How can I fix it?
[05:26] <iana> pestilence? sorry, iam kinda new to linux or ubuntu
[05:26] <Madpilot> ubotu forget knowledge
[05:26] <ubotu> i forgot knowledge, Madpilot
[05:26] <iana> where i put that command?
[05:26] <pestilence> iana: if you open up a terminal and type "ps aux" (no quotes), you will get a list of everything that is running on your machine
[05:27] <iana> okay, ill try, thanks
[05:27] <cafuego> !lock knowledge
[05:27] <ubotu> locking factoid knowledge, cafuego
[05:27] <skalpel> what does it mean if you get the error 'nautilus could not show burn:// in nautilus when burning a cd?
[05:27] <Madpilot> iana: type "ps aux |less" and it won't be a huge scrolling mess. type "q" to get out of less
[05:27] <windex> cafuego va Madpilot, which ego will win! on the next as the #ubuntu turns...
[05:28] <cafuego> windex: I have root access on the ubotu machine; place your bets now..
[05:28] <Madpilot> windex: cafuego: ha ha. just because cafuego can lock stuff in... ;)
[05:28] <cefx> :D
[05:28] <windex> cafuego, maybe Madpilot has 2-3 spare ds3's and a ping -f command. then who wins! :D
[05:29] <knowledge_> anyone know how to take care of -- Failed to construct test pipeline for 'OSS - Open Sound System'
[05:29] <Madpilot> windex: was that English?
[05:29] <knowledge_> ?
[05:29] <cafuego> windex: I expect that won't make too much difference over people leeching ISos as it is.
[05:29] <windex> Madpilot, nope.
[05:29] <windex> cafuego, right.
[05:29] <iana> pestilence: well, i did what youve said, it reply more then 20 services, well actually i need to know if theres no such a key logger software in this public pc? how to check that? well in windoze, theres msconfig
[05:29] <cafuego> Well, my hosting provider might send his ISP an angry email ;-)
[05:30] <CarlFK> after I stop shorewall, my box doesn't return pings - is this expected?
[05:30] <ReleaseX> my laptop has a combination trackstick/touchpad, it seems to stutter occasionally, anyone have any experience with that?
[05:30] <Madpilot> cafuego: the ISP account isn't in my name or connected to my email address... ;)
[05:30] <windex> ReleaseX, you might need to tweak your mouse sensitivity settings. outside of that, not sure.
[05:31] <windex> ReleaseX, it's under System -> Prefrences -> Mouse -> Motion (Tab)
[05:31] <cefx> Wow, ubuntu install is pretty cool.
[05:31] <Madpilot> cafuego: paranoid!
[05:31] <cefx> i'm installing amd64:)
[05:31] <poningru> ?
[05:31] <poningru> nm
[05:31] <cafuego> Madpilot: Ha!
[05:31] <ReleaseX> windex, yeah i already tried that, i think there must be something else, thanks though
[05:32] <windex> cafuego, i connect to the internet by satellite. thunderstorms == ddos attacks.
[05:32] <cafuego> windex: ouch
[05:32] <cafuego> windex: can you firewall the weather?
[05:32] <raDeon> i installed w32codecs
[05:32] <cefx> I can't believe how much Ubuntu holds your hand.  Wow.
[05:32] <raDeon> but Music Player says no plugin is installed to handle MP3 file
[05:32] <raDeon> how do i fix
[05:32] <arbir> is back finally
[05:32] <PurpleMotion> death sucks
[05:32] <knowledge_> anyone know?
[05:33] <cefx> Yea, death does suck.
[05:33] <cefx> I just got back from The Island.
[05:33] <skalpel> what does it mean if you get the error 'nautilus could not show burn:// in nautilus when burning a cd?
[05:33] <windex> cafuego, sure, just gotta built a realllllly big pringles can for my antenna. about 10 miles high. or so. ought to do it.
[05:33] <arbir> after all death is only the beginning
[05:33] <cafuego> windex: neat, a smokestack cantenna
[05:33] <arbir> i just installed Kubuntu... . how can i switch my desktop to kde from gnome ?
[05:33] <PurpleMotion> arbir:  doesnt make it any easier to deal with, now does it
[05:34] <cefx> arbir -- there's a file somewhere in your home dir that deals with that
[05:34] <cefx> I'm not familiar with it tho
[05:34] <arbir> PurpleMotion, just kiddin :-) i dont even know in what context you were talking about death ?
[05:34] <windex> cafuego, i'm going to have a heart attack from choloestrol and the people who own stock in duct tape are going to make a fortune, BUT I'LL DO IT.
[05:34] <PurpleMotion> arbir:  a good friend of mine hung himself last night
[05:34] <arbir> wukk tge good old switchdesk work ?
[05:34] <arbir> ohoh sorry PurpleMotion
[05:34] <PurpleMotion> yeah, me too
[05:34] <arbir> i take back my words
[05:34] <cafuego> windex: if you have cholesterol issues you'll get gall stones first (they also hurt FAR more)
[05:34] <PurpleMotion> it's okay, you didnt say anything wrong
[05:35] <windex> cafuego, i don't have a gall bladder. got ganked when i was 18 due to genetics (not high cholesterol). :)
[05:35] <cefx> Wow, how much does the base Ubuntu install include?
[05:35] <cafuego> windex: <heh>
[05:35] <PurpleMotion> about two gigs
[05:35] <mebaran> I got X working in breezy
[05:35] <cefx> fuck
[05:35] <mebaran> but I had to change a symlink
[05:35] <mebaran> no errors so far and mkfontdir looks like it works
[05:35] <cefx> My body no longer handles digestion very well.
[05:35] <cefx> :)
[05:36] <PurpleMotion> my roommate also has no gall bladder
[05:36] <arbir> how can i switch my desktop to kde from gnome ? i dnot even see any x related file in my home dir
[05:36] <cafuego> cefx: if that too much, you can do a 'server' install and add stuff like X later.
[05:36] <cefx> :/
[05:36] <Nomad_1> Does anyone know how to boot from a CD even though GRUB is a boot nazi? (I've looked in GRUB's help file and didn't see anything that looked like it could help me.
[05:36] <mebaran> PurpleMotion, what does a gallbladder do anyway
[05:36] <cefx> cafuego: oh no, not too much :) does it have good ntfs-read support?
[05:36] <cafuego> arbir: install KDE, chen choose KDE in the login screen menu.
[05:36] <PurpleMotion> arbir: open a terminal and type: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:36] <mebaran> Nomad_1, you cant use grub to do that
[05:36] <cefx> I've got a 250gb external NTFS drive that i need to read stuff from
[05:36] <cafuego> cefx: Yeah, just normal kenrel ntfs access
[05:36] <mebaran> because you need to have cdrom drivers or bios specific extensions
[05:36] <PurpleMotion> mebaran:  ya got me, but i know my roommate is pretty fucked up due to his lack of one
[05:36] <Nomad_1> mebaran: I don't want to. GRUB just kind of takes over
[05:36] <arbir> PurpleMotion, i have installed Kubuntu desktop
[05:36] <arbir> now i want to switch to kde
[05:36] <mebaran> neither which is in grub
[05:37] <Amaranth> mebaran: you had to change a symlink?
[05:37] <mebaran> Nomad_1, you got to do it in the bios
[05:37] <mebaran> Amaranth, yeah
[05:37] <arbir> where is the login screen menu cafuego
[05:37] <jasoncohen> cefx, you just have to add an entry in fstab
[05:37] <PurpleMotion> arbir:  open aterminal, and type: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[05:37] <cefx> Cool.
[05:37] <PurpleMotion> arbir:  when prompted, select kdm
[05:37] <Amaranth> mebaran: what?
[05:37] <cefx> jasoncohen: Yeah :) thanks.
[05:37] <arbir> ah let me see
[05:37] <windex> mebaran, it holds bile produced in the liver until you eat, at which point the bile helps break down the fat. if you don't have a gall bladder, your liver is constantly producing bile. and it has interesting digestional system results.
[05:37] <mebaran> all I had to do is relink X with /usr/X11R6/bin/Xorg
[05:37] <PurpleMotion> arbir:  when you get to the login screen, click session and choose kde
[05:37] <cefx> In slackware I added /dev/sda1 with oumask=022
[05:37] <jasoncohen> cef, first "sudo fdisk -l" to find the partition
[05:37] <Nomad_1> mebaran: I've set the bios to look at the cd-rom drive first but it still skipped the disk and went to GRUB.
[05:37] <mebaran> windex, and to think I took college biology
[05:37] <mebaran> Nomad_1, that means it doesnt think it can boot from the disk
[05:38] <cefx> Yea.
[05:38] <mebaran> or it thinks the boot disk is bad
[05:38] <cefx> Or look in dmesg, jason ;)
[05:38] <jasoncohen> cef, "/dev/sda1  /mnt/windows   ntfs  defaults 0 0"
[05:38] <mebaran> Amaranth, did I have to do that?
[05:38] <mebaran> change that symlink
[05:38] <mebaran> it seemed sort of hacky
[05:38] <cefx> no
[05:38] <Amaranth> mebaran: what did you change?
[05:38] <Nomad_1> I don't see why it wouldn't. The disk is Debian's net install disk.
[05:38] <cefx> I'm definately -not- doing defaults ;D
[05:38] <arbir> dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[05:38] <arbir>  * Reloading K Display Manager configuration...                          [fail] 
[05:38] <arbir> invoke-rc.d: initscript kdm, action "reload" failed.
[05:38] <whitefang> how do i mount my windows partition?
[05:38] <jasoncohen> cefx, ok, then use whatever options you want
[05:38] <cefx> I use oumask=022 or ro
[05:38] <PurpleMotion> hahah
[05:38] <mebaran> I linked /etc/X11/X with /usr/X11R6/bin/Xorg
[05:38] <Zartan> I tried follow instructions of http://qce-ga.sourceforge.net/#Installation . Where can I found V4L module for Ubuntu?
[05:38] <PurpleMotion> holdon, ill get the file you need to manually edit
[05:39] <jasoncohen> cefx, i use "users,umask=022"
[05:39] <arbir> oh :-(
[05:39] <whitefang> errr, my windows partition is ntfs, how can i mount it?
[05:39] <cefx> Hm.
[05:39] <cefx> Interesting.
[05:39] <arbir> arbir will be back after a pee... too much Kilkenney inside him
[05:39] <PurpleMotion> arbir:  sudp pico /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[05:39] <jasmuz> whitefang: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29996
[05:39] <PurpleMotion> arbir:  change whats in it to kde
[05:39] <cefx> 2.6.10 kernel?
[05:39] <jasmuz> upss
[05:39] <cefx> Interesting.
[05:39] <PurpleMotion> arbir: then reboot, and at the kdm login screen, click session, and choose kde
[05:39] <jasoncohen> cefx, yes- i'm in hoary
[05:39] <jasmuz> whitefang: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[05:39] <cefx> Is the 2.6.10 kernel in the amd64 5.04 disc good or will i have to upgrade it?
[05:39] <levander> Anybody can tell me how to use mkisofs graft points?
[05:39] <jasoncohen> cefx, so, what's the problem?
[05:39] <PurpleMotion> err sudo
[05:39] <cefx> Nothing.
[05:40] <jasoncohen> cefx, what do you mean by "good"? I have had no problems with it
[05:40] <cefx> jasoncohen: I just hope I don't have the same problems in ubuntu X as i did in slackware X.
[05:40] <jasoncohen> cefx, you shouldn't- xorg is pretty good at auto-detecting hardware and ubuntu is known for its excellent hardware support
[05:40] <JoshRA> hey who ever helped me
[05:40] <JoshRA> it worsk
[05:40] <JoshRA> the floppy thing i am installing x and firefox ow
[05:40] <JoshRA> :D:D
[05:41] <PurpleMotion> the floppy thing?
[05:41] <arbir> is back
[05:41] <PurpleMotion> you been sneakin peeks, eh?
[05:41] <Zartan> how can I install v4l for ubuntu?
[05:41] <arbir> PurpleMotion, let6 me check that file
[05:41] <cefx> jasoncohen: In slackware I had problems in the 2.6.12.3 kernel
[05:41] <cefx> while in X my keyboard enter key stopped responding
[05:41] <pudland> hello all
[05:41] <jasmuz> Zartan: downloading via Synaptic the packages for v4l
[05:42] <cefx> It acted as if caps lock was always on when it wasn't
[05:42] <windex> Zartan, i think v4l is in synaptic. if its not in the base packages, try enabling universe and check again?
[05:42] <JoshRA> Davey: thanks you to aru
[05:42] <cefx> and my left mouse button behaved with each click as a right click
[05:42] <arbir> it shows /usr/bin/kdm @ PurpleMotion
[05:42] <Amaranth> cefx: that sounds like an X issues, not a kernel issue
[05:42] <cafuego> Wow. Breezy firefox is spectacularly busted :-)
[05:42] <Amaranth> cafuego: not really
[05:42] <arbir> PurpleMotion, let me reboot now
[05:42] <PurpleMotion> arbir, okay. logout of gnome, and at the login screen, go to session and choose kde
[05:42] <Ohpoo> cafuego, what you mean by busted?
[05:42] <PurpleMotion> no
[05:42] <PurpleMotion> dont reboot
[05:42] <cafuego> Amaranth: Reliably does poo when i try to log in to a site.
[05:42] <jasoncohen> cefx, weird...
[05:42] <PurpleMotion> no need
[05:42] <mebaran> Amaranth, you didnt need to change the sym
[05:42] <mebaran> ?
[05:42] <jasoncohen> cefx, slackware uses 2.6.12?
[05:42] <Zartan> thank you :) jazmuz and windex. Do I modprobe v4l then?
[05:42] <cefx> I upgraded to it, jason
[05:43] <arbir> ok arbir is gone
[05:43] <cefx> Amaranth: So far the AMD64 install is going good :)
[05:43] <cefx> All those pretty packages installing
[05:43] <windex> cafuego, for some reason firefox on hoary dosen't like to print to my printer. it either causes my printer to hardlock while processing the postscript, or does not print within page boundaries. every other piece of software works great. :D
[05:43] <PurpleMotion> Yet another satisfied customer. Thank you, drive through
[05:43] <cefx> Wow, I'm impressed.
[05:43] <cefx> It even sets up the packages
[05:43] <Amaranth> mebaran: nope
[05:44] <cefx> Is there a plugin/codec for viewing .wmv files?
[05:44] <cefx> and christ on a stick, Xine is terrible!
[05:44] <cafuego> windex: firefox has issues with non-latest postscript interpreters. Whoever at FF amde that decision is a damn retard.
[05:44] <jasmuz> Zartan: i think its not necesary...
[05:44] <Amaranth> mebaran: but you probably had an older version of X from breezy installed, daniels said right now it only cleanly upgrades from hoary
[05:44] <auk> !mono
[05:44] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, mono is " http://www.apacheworld.org/modmono/ Repo CLOSED  Please see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto or BreakMyUbuntu" hm
[05:44] <jasoncohen> cefx, yes
[05:44] <Amaranth> !restricted
[05:44] <ubotu> restricted is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:44] <Gorth> guys how did ubuntu install and everything
[05:44] <jasoncohen> cefx, you'll want w32codecs from hoary-extras
[05:44] <Amaranth> cefx: read that
[05:44] <windex> cafuego, yep. i'm going to try to tftp upgrade the printer. it's network enabled and doing software upgrades is nontrivial.
[05:44] <Gorth> but not put GCC on there
[05:45] <jasoncohen> !tell cefx about multimedia
[05:45] <cafuego> windex: My print server has no update available.
[05:45] <Amaranth> Gorth: gcc is a security risk
[05:45] <levander> Nobody knows how to use mkisofs graft points?
[05:45] <cafuego> Gorth: gcc is not installed by default; most suers have no need for it.
[05:45] <Zartan> my fast mouse finger :P
[05:45] <windex> Gorth, neither ubuntu nor debian default to having gcc, use aptitude to install the packages 'gcc g++ bison manpages-dev glibc-dev autoconf automake', and you should get enough of a development enviroment to be useful.
[05:46] <cafuego> windex: 'build-essential'
[05:46] <windex> that too.
[05:46] <Gorth> :O
[05:46] <windex> but i didn't know that existed.
[05:46] <windex> so go figure.
[05:46] <jasoncohen> Gorth, just "sudo apt-get install build-essential"
[05:46] <cafuego> s/glibc-dev/libc6-dev/
[05:46] <Amaranth> !info build-essential
[05:46] <ubotu> build-essential: (informational list of build-essential packages), section devel, is optional. Version: 10.1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 48 kB
[05:46] <Amaranth> that's a lame description
[05:46] <windex> does build essential include manpages-dev and glibc-dev?
[05:46] <windex> err, glibc-doc?
[05:46] <jasoncohen> cefx, use totem with totem-xine and w32codecs and you'll have support for nearly every codec.
[05:47] <windex> some of us want manpages for pthread_create, you know.
[05:47] <whitefang> to run a program off a win2k partition that requires you to be able to write to a file in its directory, what do i need to do?
[05:47] <cafuego> !depends build-essential
[05:47] <ubotu> build-essential: depends on libc6-dev | libc-dev, gcc (>= 3:3.3), g++ (>= 3:3.3), make, dpkg-dev (>= 1.4.1.19)
[05:47] <Zartan> jasmuz: Could you repeat your answer. I click mouse and close tab without meanless
[05:47] <jasoncohen> cefx, xine is nice for DVDs but for most other videos you'll probably prefer to use totem
[05:47] <Gorth> thanks guys
[05:47] <cefx> okay, awesome, thanks jason :)
[05:47] <whitefang> lag?
[05:47] <PurpleMotion> jasoncohen:  i still cant get mp4 video to work... both these movies play PERFECTLY in windows, and completely HARF in linux.. everything from a segfault to completely locking up the a/v subsystems
[05:47] <windex> cafuego, if that's all it throws in there i consider my answer to be superior :)
[05:48] <cefx> Too bad they don't have a #biohelp chan.  I don't feel good. ;(
[05:48] <cafuego> windex: Your answer erros with glibc-dev: no such package
[05:48] <windex> cafuego, i corrected that i think.
[05:48] <mebaran> does the Ubuntu Kernel have fb support
[05:48] <windex> oh, right. not for that line.
[05:48] <windex> i mean glibc-doc.
[05:48] <cafuego> windex: I had already pasted it - ow, there was a hidden rm -rf!
[05:48] <Amaranth> mebaran: i think the ubuntu kernel has every module :P
[05:48] <mebaran> EVERY
[05:48] <windex> for some reason manpages-dev does not actually contain the glibc manpages.
[05:48] <mebaran> SINGLE
[05:48] <PurpleMotion> you guys are nerds.
[05:48] <mebaran> MODULE
[05:49] <windex> PurpleMotion, ITS WHAT WE DO, MAN.
[05:49] <PurpleMotion> heh, right on
[05:49] <cafuego> PurpleMotion: check the hostmask :-P
[05:49] <PurpleMotion> i'm gonna smoke some pot
[05:49] <mebaran> EVEN THE CRAZY CRAPPY ONES THAT I HAVE NEVER SEEN USED EVER
[05:49] <Gorth> man guys
[05:49] <windex> im going to go smoke tobacco. because i hate my lungs. die, lungs, die.
[05:49] <PurpleMotion> hahahahha
[05:49] <Gorth> ubuntu's screwy compared to the other distros
[05:49] <Gorth> no joke
[05:49] <PurpleMotion> nice one cafuego
[05:49] <cafuego> mebaran: Your capslock is on
[05:49] <mebaran> cafeugo
[05:49] <mebaran> whoops
[05:49] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, what's mp4? a google search is showing info on divx/xvid which is supported by w32codecs
[05:49] <mebaran> just noticed
[05:49] <mebaran> sorry fellows
[05:49] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, do you mean mpeg-4?
[05:50] <Zartan> jasmuz: could you tell me how I load v4l-module? I clicked mouse and close tab. I didn't want do it :)
[05:50] <mebaran> jasoncohen, lavc decodes them faster
[05:50] <jasoncohen> which would include divx, xvid and several other formats
[05:50] <mebaran> look for ffmpeg
[05:50] <mebaran> it does the job very well for all those variant
[05:50] <mebaran> s
[05:50] <raDeon> i installed w32codecs
[05:50] <raDeon> but Music Player says no plugin is installed to handle MP3 file
[05:50] <raDeon> what do i do
[05:50] <raDeon> so i can play mp3
[05:50] <jasoncohen> raDeon, "sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad"
[05:50] <raDeon> speak english well i do not
[05:50] <PurpleMotion> jasoncohen:  i mean it has the extension .mp4 and it does not play in anything.
[05:50] <raDeon> thank you jasoncohen
[05:51] <PurpleMotion> except windows
[05:51] <PurpleMotion> in fact
[05:51] <sfvt> PurpleMotion: I don't believe totem-gstreamer (the default) supports that codec. But I have placed files with the .mp4 extension via totem-xine
[05:51] <PurpleMotion> in windows, it's a two hour movie that's 265mb and it looks and sounds PERFECT
[05:51] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, mplayer supports mp4...from my quick search on google
[05:52] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, are you using totem-xine with w32codecs installed?
[05:52] <PurpleMotion> jasoncohen:  you'd think, roght?
[05:52] <cafuego> tea
[05:52] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, "dpkg -l | grep totem"
[05:52] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, "dpkg -l w32codecs"
[05:52] <sfvt> s/placed/played/
[05:52] <mebaran> can X be made to use the framebuffer device
[05:52] <philip> let's say i wanted to add a repository that had packages i'm used to but apparently are obscure, things like jed and feta. what would be a good one?
[05:52] <PurpleMotion> ah
[05:52] <PurpleMotion> it's gstream
[05:52] <deprave> JAS
[05:52] <PurpleMotion> but
[05:52] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, you need totem-xine
[05:52] <mebaran> what would the driver be
[05:52] <deprave> jasoncohen what does that do?
[05:52] <PurpleMotion> i have xine, and it doesnt play it either
[05:52] <mebaran> that would allow such nonsense
[05:52] <PurpleMotion> yeah lemme install it
[05:52] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, "sudo apt-get install totem-xine w32codecs"
[05:53] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, and you need to add the hoary-extras repository if you haven't already
[05:53] <whitefang> how do i make my win2k partition writable by the adm user group?
[05:53] <PurpleMotion> yeah i got w32codecs, didnt you see me say i recompiled mplayer for all the codecs :D
[05:53] <jasoncohen> !tell PurpleMotion about multimedia
[05:53] <PurpleMotion> i got it dude
[05:53] <PurpleMotion> thanks
[05:53] <jasoncohen> that's mplayer
[05:53] <Madpilot> !tell philip about repos
[05:53] <jasoncohen> you're talking about the xine engine
[05:53] <jasoncohen> it should work in mplayer
[05:53] <lJlolel> !tell myself about multimedia
[05:53] <PurpleMotion> doesnt change the fact that it doesnt
[05:54] <deprave> will sudo apt-get install totem-xine w32codecs help me play certain videos?
[05:54] <jasoncohen> deprave, yes
[05:54] <Madpilot> !tell Madpilot about opera
[05:54] <mebaran> I would like to replace my framebuffer device with nvidiafb
[05:54] <deprave> like my precious porn?
[05:54] <deprave> thanks
[05:54] <mebaran> instead it loads vga16fb
[05:54] <mebaran> what might I do
[05:54] <lJlolel> every time i do sudo, it says my login attempts don't work
[05:54] <lJlolel> i have to su
[05:54] <jasoncohen> deprave, totem-xine and w32codecs will play divx/xvid, windows media video, realplayer etc
[05:54] <deprave> E: Couldn't find package w32codecs
[05:54] <deprave> root@splinter:/etc/tripwire #
[05:54] <nalioth> deprave: w32codecs won't play the newest wmv9 and 10 vids, iirc
[05:54] <PurpleMotion> yeah mplayer plays EVERYTHING - except - these friggen .mp4 files
[05:54] <sfvt> deprave: yes, totem-xine will place you're precious porn ;)
[05:55] <jasoncohen> Jolel: are you using ubuntu? ubuntu has no root account by default
[05:55] <cefx> yah I have precious porn too!
[05:55] <deprave> it didn't find it unfortunately
[05:55] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, do you have an example .mp4 file i can download?
[05:55] <nalioth> PurpleMotion: compile it with libfaad
[05:55] <Madpilot> lJlolel: have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[05:55] <jasoncohen> deprave, you need to add the hoary-extras repository
[05:55] <cefx> Amaranth: Kudos/props to you and the devs.  This is turning out to be a good distro.
[05:55] <lJlolel> lol yes i'm using ubuntu
[05:55] <jasoncohen> !tell deprave about multimedia
[05:55] <cefx> Also
[05:55] <cefx> Has anyone used Cedega on X?
[05:55] <PurpleMotion> nalioth:  would that be included in apt-get build-dep mplayer-686 ??
[05:55] <jasoncohen> !tell deprave about multimedia repositories
[05:55] <Amaranth> cefx: I just work on smeg. :)
[05:55] <sfvt> jasoncohen: or is it whorey-extras ?
[05:55] <cefx> hehe
[05:55] <jasoncohen> sfvt, lol
[05:56] <cefx> Amaranth: As an ex windows user...it's nice seeing it hold my hand, but also nice knowing I can reformat and do it all by hand with the server install.
[05:56] <nalioth> PurpleMotion: it's been my (personal and in helping others) experience that compiling mplayer is the best route to the most compatibility
[05:56] <deprave> !tell me about playing porn more efficiently
[05:56] <whitefang> hmmm, this was either answered and i missed it, or not answered, so I'll try again. sorry to be a PITA.
[05:56] <jasmuz> deprave: hahaha
[05:56] <whitefang> how do i make my win2k partition writable by the adm user group?
[05:56] <PurpleMotion> nalioth:  i compiled it... it still doesnt run tho, heh
[05:56] <philip> Madpilot, perfect, thanks
[05:56] <jasoncohen> deprave, porn usually uses divx/xvid avi's or plain mpegs...you should have excellent support with totem or xine
[05:57] <Madpilot> philip: np
[05:57] <jasoncohen> deprave, you might find xine better for your porn needs as it starts up very quickly and you can have multiple windows open without a performance hit :)
[05:57] <nalioth> PurpleMotion: and i recommend you d/l all the codecs/libs via apt, compile the ones not available in apt, and d/l hte source from mplayerhq and compile it with flags of your choice
[05:57] <PurpleMotion> jasoncohen:  well, totem-xine got as close as ive been.. it played the audio for about 30 seconds, displayed no video, and crashed almost immediately after opening
[05:57] <windex> cafuego, it will make you happy to know i am now going to bed as i have stumbled into a bug in my code i do not have the mental capacity, at 11pm, to fix.
[05:57] <raDeon> do i have to install nvidia drivers
[05:57] <raDeon> or is that all set up
[05:57] <jasoncohen> deprave, also has easy to use keyboard shortcuts when you can't get to the mouse
[05:57] <PurpleMotion> nalioth:  yeah did all that
[05:57] <deprave> awesome thanks
[05:58] <deprave> you guys are like porn commandos
[05:58] <nalioth> PurpleMotion: then i dont know anything else
[05:58] <deprave> jasoncohen: hahahaha
[05:58] <windex> someone needs to write a better debugger than gdb for dealing with code that uses pthreads.
[05:58] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, ok- do you have w32codecs installed? you compiled mplayer but that doesn't mean that the codecs are there for xine. i recommend you install the w32codecs package but the mp4 format is obviously a difficult one
[05:58] <PurpleMotion> yes, i do.
[05:58] <nalioth> PurpleMotion: you need libfaad for mp4s/aac
[05:58] <Detox> any ideas on a distro for grade school kids?
[05:59] <skalpel> hi
[05:59] <whitefang> Detox, this one.
[05:59] <PurpleMotion> ii  libfaad2-0     2.0.0-0.3      freeware Advanced Audio Decoder - runtime fi
[05:59] <PurpleMotion> ii  libfaad2-dev   2.0.0-0.3      freeware Advanced Audio Decoder - developmen
[05:59] <PurpleMotion> installed.
[05:59] <sfvt> Detox: edubuntu?
[05:59] <Detox> where do i faind it?
[05:59] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, gstreamer0.8-faad - GStreamer faad plugins
[05:59] <poningru> hmm installed lm-sensors from repo
[05:59] <whitefang> Detox, i just installed it for the first time. it was the easiest install of any OS i've ever done.
[05:59] <nalioth> PurpleMotion: you also need gstreamer-libfaad (or whatever it's called)
[05:59] <poningru> any one know how to configure it?
[05:59] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, is that installed?
[05:59] <sproingie> Detox: edubuntu.org
[05:59] <PurpleMotion> nope
[06:00] <windex> omg. someone _does_ write something better than gdb for debugging threads. smartgdb
[06:00] <rockholico> helo there!
[06:00] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, sudo apt-get install totem-gstreamer gstreamer0.8-faad
[06:00] <sproingie> Detox: it's not out yet
[06:00] <raDeon> why, on linux, is there always a significant "buzzing" distortion in my music at high volumes
[06:00] <PurpleMotion> man i just installed totem-xine :D
[06:00] <PurpleMotion> you guys got me in circles
[06:00] <nox> PurpleMotion, what seems to be the problem?
[06:01] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, sorry man- i hadn't used mp4...i'm searching google as we speak to try to help you
[06:01] <PurpleMotion> nox, video codecs are a pain in the ass, thats all
[06:01] <PurpleMotion> jasoncohen:  i appreciate it :)
[06:01] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, also try "sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
[06:01] <nox> PurpleMotion, what is the problem with the codecs?
[06:01] <nalioth> PurpleMotion: changing from totem-xine to totem-gstreamer aint but a thang
[06:01] <nox> jasoncohen, it will not work.
[06:01] <PurpleMotion> i know i know
[06:01] <nalioth> PurpleMotion: install ALL gstreamer plugins
[06:02] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins will give you most
[06:02] <jasoncohen> you can go into synaptic and just install all of 'em
[06:02] <whitefang> noone knows how i can make my ntfs partition writable by the adm user group?
[06:02] <deprave> i am running out of space on my mighty 6gig quantum fireball, i have another 10 gig somewhere i want to throw on here that curently has windows 2000 on it ntfs etc, i don't mind wiping it, aside from throwing it on here and jumper settings and stuff what should i expect the boot loader to do, will it see it, and how do i formate the drive and what do i mount it as or is there software to help with it
[06:02] <nox> PurpleMotion, what are you trying to run? mp4 files?
[06:02] <nalioth> whitefang: writing to NTFS can lead to a loss of the NTFS partition
[06:02] <sfvt> whitefang: does ubuntu even support writing to NTFS?
[06:02] <PurpleMotion> wow, gstreamer is pretty fuckin powerful, eh
[06:02] <PurpleMotion> nox: yeah..
[06:03] <nox> PurpleMotion, you tried with mplayer?
[06:03] <whitefang> nalioth, ok, so i should copy my game directory to my linux parition, and run it from there?
[06:03] <jasmuz> sfvt: not really
[06:03] <PurpleMotion> oh god here we go
[06:03] <nalioth> whitefang: or use Partition Magic to convert your NTFS to fat32
[06:03] <jasoncohen> deprave, you can use a gui partition tool like gparted to do all that
[06:03] <Detox> thanks for the info,,, I will watch  for a DL
[06:03] <jlynchs> holas
[06:03] <whitefang> nalioth, i don't want to buy partition magic.
[06:03] <nox> PurpleMotion, you don`t want me to help you? i am going to fix your problem
[06:03] <whitefang> wine can't run a windows program off of ext3?
[06:03] <PurpleMotion> yeah, i even recompiled mplayer with every codec youc an think of installed :) I also optimized it for my cpu, and told it to use a more current gtk toolkit but we wont go there
[06:04] <jasoncohen> deprave, sudo apt-get install gparted. then sudo gparted, format the disk, make an ext3 partition and add it to /etc/fstab
[06:04] <Zartan> I have Logitech QuickCam Express. I have compiled module and done sudo insmod ./quickcam.ko. now i have modules usbcore               107384  4 quickcam,usbhid,uhci_hcd videodev                9728  1 quickcam quickcam               69156  0. how i get camera running now?
[06:04] <PurpleMotion> nah, im just sayin been there, done that, heh
[06:04] <deprave> jasoncohen : fan freakin tastic my good man (or good women with a terrible name for a female)
[06:04] <nox> PurpleMotion, ok, please wait 1 minuet
[06:04] <PurpleMotion> heh, sure
[06:04] <jasoncohen> deprave, man :)
[06:04] <jasoncohen> nox, so, what do you need to get mp4 support. i'll add it to the multimedia wiki
[06:05] <sfvt> whitefang, I think wine can run programs on an ext3 fs
[06:05] <PurpleMotion> Totem could not play 'file:///home/media/movies/Batman.Begins.TS.SVCD.mp4'.
[06:05] <nalioth> jasoncohen: libfaad, gstreamer-<faad>
[06:05] <Zartan> so must I restart computer to get camera running
[06:05] <lJlolel> !tell myself about sudo
[06:05] <PurpleMotion> says could not open file for writing , wtf ever that means
[06:05] <jtgameover> i'm currently using openbox, and i'd like a way to live without a task panel, just a "system tray"
[06:05] <whitefang> sfvt, ok, thanks.
[06:05] <sk545> is there a special command to install from the -staging repo?
[06:05] <jtgameover> does anyone know of any program that can do this?
[06:05] <nox> PurpleMotion, you tried "mpeg4ip"?
[06:05] <jasoncohen> Zartan, start gnomemeeting from Internet > gnomemeeting and test it out
[06:05] <ReleaseX> is there a program that allows you to easily change your workgroup under windows without editing a text file
[06:06] <PurpleMotion> whats that?
[06:06] <jasoncohen> Zartan, my logitech quickcam 3000 pro was automatically supported in ubuntu
[06:06] <nox> http://mpeg4ip.sourceforge.net/
[06:06] <Zartan> jasoncohen: I try :)
[06:06] <lJlolel> you dont like the network setup wizard?
[06:06] <sfvt> whitefang: also, regarding your other question... look at the ntfs mount options in the mount(8) man page... esp the gid= and umask= options
[06:06] <jasoncohen> ReleaseX, yeah, control center > system ...somewhere in there is workgroup which you can change
[06:06] <PurpleMotion> could not open resource for writing
[06:06] <nox> PurpleMotion, enter: http://mpeg4ip.sourceforge.net/
[06:06] <whitefang> ok, but i don't want to ruin the partition, so it's probably better not to do that right?
[06:07] <jasoncohen> nox, what other codecs does mpeg4ip support?
[06:07] <sfvt> whitefang, yeah.
[06:08] <PurpleMotion> nox:  i dont suppose i'd be so fortunate as to there being a package for this?
[06:08] <PurpleMotion> okay, now EVERYTHING i try to open in totem results in "resource not available for writing"
[06:08] <nox> jasoncohen, i don`t know, read in the link i gave here
[06:09] <nox> PurpleMotion, totem is weak. don`t use it. i don`t know if there is a package for mpeg4ip, ill be searching for it in 2 minutes
[06:09] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, looks like you'll need to compile from source. You'll need build dependencies- "sudo apt-get install libtool autoconf automake1.4"
[06:10] <skalpel> can someone tell me what this means?
[06:10] <skalpel> [Fatal Error]  :1:136: The element type "videos" must be terminated by the matching end-tag "</videos>".
[06:10] <skalpel> cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc gracetime=2 speed=4 -v -eject -multi /tmp/GnomeBaker/jon/gnomebaker_create_data_cd.iso (null)
[06:10] <skalpel> ** Message: MessageDialog message [Please insert the CD into the CD writer] 
[06:10] <jasoncohen> nox, does ffmpeg support mp4?
[06:10] <PurpleMotion> jasoncohen:  wtf? it worked before you had me install all this gstreamer stuff (at least for non-mp4 files)... now you're telling me i need to recompile??
[06:10] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, no, no
[06:10] <skalpel> i am trying to burn mp3 files in gnomebaker and that is the error i get
[06:10] <nox> jasoncohen, i don`t think so - i have this package installed and i can`t play those open source episodes from legaltorrents.com
[06:10] <Zartan> jasoncohen: device not found :( Something I must do- Maybe insert some script in rc.local?
[06:11] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, only if you want mpeg4ip working. i don't know why totem has gone haywire. i've had weirdness with totem but it fixes itself either by restarting gnome or by restarting the system
[06:11] <levander> I've got some file, /etc/printcap, on my system.  It's a link to /var/run/cups/printcap.  However, that second file doesn't exist on my system.  What's that about?  Something to worry about?
[06:11] <jasoncohen> Zartan, is it connected?
[06:11] <PurpleMotion> GRR
[06:11] <jasoncohen> Zartan, usb camera right?
[06:11] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: nothing supports mp4
[06:11] <PurpleMotion> and i dont run gnome
[06:11] <skalpel> why wont nautilus show bunr://
[06:11] <deprave> (totem:13250): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[06:11] <deprave> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[06:11] <skalpel> ?
[06:11] <levander> I just checked, I don't have cups installed.
[06:11] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, then KDE
[06:11] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: mp4 is encrypted with Apple's FairPlay DRM
[06:11] <deprave> =/
[06:11] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, look- i'm trying to help, i'm sorry
[06:11] <deprave> it doesn't like me
[06:11] <PurpleMotion> i know
[06:11] <PurpleMotion> its just frustrating
[06:12] <deprave> kick it
[06:12] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, if you're having problems with totem, first try restarting KDE
[06:12] <deprave> kicking computers makes them work
[06:12] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, if that doesn't work, restart your box. It's a bad solution, but it works, heh
[06:12] <Zartan> jasoncohen: yes. it's connected in usb-port.
[06:12] <PurpleMotion> yeah lemme try that
[06:12] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, you mean- nothing that's packaged by ubuntu or nothing available anywhere
[06:12] <jasoncohen> that you know of
[06:12] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: you'll need to strip the DRM from the files, which is illegal
[06:12] <Amaranth> so i won't discuss it here
[06:12] <deprave> E: Couldn't find package w32codecs
[06:13] <deprave> =/
[06:13] <jasoncohen> heh, so it's not so impossible- just illegal :)
[06:13] <jasoncohen> deprave, you need hoary-extras
[06:13] <jasoncohen> !tell deprave about multimedia repositories
[06:13] <nox> deprave, it called win32codecs, not w32
[06:13] <deprave> what did you call me?
[06:13] <whitefang> is there any software to adjust my screens color settings?
[06:13] <jasoncohen> nox, no- it's called w32codecs
[06:13] <whitefang> the hardware controls arn't good enough.
[06:13] <nox> jasoncohen, sorry, you right.
[06:13] <nox> http://mpeg4ip.sourceforge.net/
[06:13] <deprave> extras?
[06:13] <nox> oops
[06:14] <nox> ofer@tuxido:~$ apt-cache search w32codecs
[06:14] <nox> w32codecs - win32 binary codecs
[06:14] <jasoncohen> deprave, you need to either replace or edit your sources.list and then update the apt cahce. follow the instructions i gave you
[06:14] <lJlolel> haha, my Joe account keeps getting emails about Joe trying to break into sudo
[06:14] <DekaPink> Yargh...
[06:14] <jtgameover> does anyone know of a program that would make everything go to a "system tray" of sorts, instead of a panel?
[06:14] <jasoncohen> Jolel: you didn't allow your user administrative access
[06:14] <jasoncohen> Jolel: su -c users-admin
[06:14] <nox> deprave, here you can find a very good sources.list file -> http://whatsup.org.il/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=19050&highlight=mp4
[06:15] <nox> deprave, im talking about the longest one, painted in green
[06:15] <jasoncohen> then choose your user and give it administrative privileges
[06:15] <lJlolel> i'm already there
[06:15] <jasoncohen> lJlolel, go to user privileges and enable "executing system administration tasks"
[06:15] <lJlolel> hm
[06:15] <lJlolel> theres no such option
[06:16] <Zartan> jasoncohen: So my maybe must buy some other camera :)
[06:16] <wardbones> Hi, I've got sound-juicer all set up but it won't show one of my encoders.  Anybody willing to help?
[06:16] <lJlolel> and no similar option
[06:16] <jasoncohen> nox, no! that's a very bad sources.list file
[06:16] <jasoncohen> deprave, don't use that link! marillat can seriously fuck up your system
[06:16] <jasoncohen> it's meant for debian- not ubuntu
[06:16] <Amaranth> nox: NONONONONONONONO
[06:17] <jasoncohen> nox, marillat is an unofficial source for debian and it's quite a good source if you are running debian but it will cause no end of troubles on ubuntu! use ubuntu backports & extras instead
[06:17] <jasoncohen> lJlolel, are you using hoary or warty?
[06:17] <cefx> brb
[06:17] <lJlolel> hoary
[06:17] <cefx> Hm.
[06:17] <f_newton> nox good advice
[06:17] <lJlolel> this is weird, no?
[06:17] <jasoncohen> lJlolel, well, hoary should have that option in users-admin
[06:18] <lJlolel> hm, well i guess i can live without sudo
[06:18] <cefx> Why do people complain about Gnome, Amaranth?  The natural build that comes with 5.04 looks pretty sweet to me.
[06:18] <jasoncohen> lJlolel, did you choose your user and select properties?
[06:18] <f_newton> most distros that have their own updating tools tend to use file extensions designed to make their updating process uniform...
[06:18] <lJlolel> choose user and select properties?
[06:18] <deprave> i just used the sources list on that ubuntu page you just gave me jasoncohen
[06:18] <Phuzion> Hey, are there PHP development tools in Ubuntu?
[06:18] <Amaranth> cefx: *shrug*
[06:18] <cafuego> Phuzion: vim
[06:18] <nalioth> cefx: cuz gnome use to be sour
[06:18] <Amaranth> cefx: I guess they don't like brown
[06:18] <jasoncohen> lJlolel, select the user you want, click the properties button, then the User Privileges tab and then enabled "executing system administrative tasks"
[06:18] <cefx> Heh!
[06:19] <cefx> It -does- use a lot of RAM, it looks like.
[06:19] <cefx> 200megs of ram?
[06:19] <lJlolel> lol i told you theres no such item
[06:19] <jasoncohen> deprave, ok- good
[06:19] <cefx> That's like Windows.
[06:19] <poningru> anyone know how to get xsensors working?
[06:19] <nox> Phuzion, i like "screem"
[06:19] <lJlolel> hm, can i just edit it directly? (visudo) in hoary?
[06:19] <jasoncohen> deprave, did you follow all instructions? - thorough "sudo apt-get update"
[06:19] <poningru> for some reason it opens but just has an empty window
[06:19] <poningru> do I have to configure my lm-sensor?
[06:19] <cyphase> shit
[06:19] <jasoncohen> lJlolel, su -c users-admin
[06:19] <poningru> any doc pointers would be great
[06:20] <Phuzion> nox, does that have the kind of stuff that dreamweaver has, like all of the different tags, and variables in drop down menus as you're coding?
[06:20] <cyphase> this is the second time i've had DNS problems
[06:20] <deprave> yes
[06:20] <jasoncohen> lJlolel, do you see a "preferences" button?
[06:20] <deprave> im doing the update now =>
[06:20] <deprave> =D even
[06:20] <lJlolel> jasoncohen, no it's called properties
[06:20] <jasoncohen> lJlolel, you can use visudo but this is easier and there is no reason it shouldn't work if you're on hoary
[06:20] <cefx> Would mount -oumask=022 -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /fatty work? for my NTFS drive.
[06:20] <lJlolel> and it doesn't have that option
[06:20] <nox> Phuzion, i have never used dreamweaver, So i don`t know what are you talking about. Try it.. it is realy comfortable.
[06:20] <cefx> Or is the command different for oumask in ubuntu?
[06:20] <Phuzion> Alright, thanks man
[06:21] <jasoncohen> lJlolel, Ok, well select the user you want and click Properties
[06:21] <Amaranth> cefx: ntfs is read-onlu
[06:21] <Amaranth> err, read-only
[06:21] <drcode> hi all
[06:21] <Phuzion> I'm installing the OS on my extra HD right now, so I'll check it out.
[06:21] <lJlolel> jasoncohen, yesi know, click that, user priveleges
[06:21] <cefx> Amaranth: I know.  That's why it's 022.
[06:21] <drcode> any idea of fax/voice software?
[06:21] <lJlolel> and of all the options, none say giving executive privileges
[06:21] <lJlolel> or anything similar
[06:21] <benplaut> Amaranth: how's Smeg going? :)
[06:21] <drcode> I Want to get fax and voice call
[06:21] <lJlolel> i'm just editiing the text
[06:21] <cefx> Is there a better mask for read only for all users?
[06:21] <drcode> in ubunutu
[06:21] <cefx> one sec please :)
[06:21] <jasoncohen> lJlolel, and you're telling me in user privileges you don't see "executing system administration tasks" as the 6th option?
[06:21] <nox> cefx - you mean 0222, not 022
[06:21] <PurpleMotion> giving mpeg4ip a shot
[06:21] <PurpleMotion> and i fixed totem
[06:21] <lJlolel> jasoncohen, that's right
[06:22] <jasoncohen> ok, one second
[06:22] <deprave> my cat's breath smells like catfood
[06:22] <benplaut> that's nice to know
[06:22] <PurpleMotion> i needed to run gstreamer-properties and set to alsa.. odd that totem doesnt give you a link to gstreamer's properties
[06:22] <jasoncohen> !tell jason about sudo
[06:22] <f_newton> my dog's breat smells like cat butt... gotta git rid of that litter box
[06:22] <nox> PurpleMotion, i told you, totem is WEAK
[06:22] <skalpel> what does it mean when gnomebaker quits halfway through a write and asks me to insert a disc?
[06:23] <poningru> skalpel: most likely that the cd is messed up
[06:23] <nox> skalpel, probably means you have to use k3b :] 
[06:23] <jasoncohen> lJlolel, https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RootSudo
[06:23] <poningru> try another cd
[06:23] <poningru> and what nox said
[06:23] <lJlolel> jasoncohen, enable access to external storage is my sixth option
[06:23] <jasoncohen> lJlolel, are you absolutely sure you're using hoary?
[06:23] <benplaut> f_newton: weird...
[06:23] <jasoncohen> lJlolel, gedit /etc/apt/sources.list. do the entries say warty or hoary?
[06:23] <f_newton> k3b is what almost everyone who knows and wants to use gui uses
[06:23] <f_newton> whats weird benplaut ?
[06:23] <lJlolel> ya, all hoary
[06:24] <jasoncohen> lJlolel, if you're in warty, "In Warty, adding a new user involves editing the /etc/sudoers file. To edit that file, you must use 'visudo' as it will error check the file before exiting. To add a user with the same administration rights as the first user, add the following lines to the file: '$newuser ALL=(ALL) ALL'. Replace the $newuser with the username."
[06:24] <whitefang> anyone know why a game would run so slow under wine its unplayable?
[06:24] <benplaut> or gnome-baker, if you are a die-hard KDE hater
[06:24] <benplaut> your dog is weird :P
[06:24] <lJlolel> jasoncohen, yea i did that
[06:24] <lJlolel> jasoncohen, it didnt work :(
[06:24] <Zartan> I try reboot
[06:24] <f_newton> not enough resources whitefang
[06:24] <nox> whitefang, thats because you have ati card :) am i right?
[06:24] <lJlolel> jasoncohen, when i was installing, my installation didn't find any security files
[06:24] <f_newton> benplaut, every dog ive ever had eats the cat crap
[06:24] <whitefang> no, geforce card
[06:24] <lJlolel> jasoncohen, could that be why?
[06:24] <f_newton> doesnt want the cat to think its home
[06:24] <whitefang> i remember a friend had the same problem, and it was some setting he had to change.
[06:24] <nox> whitefang, have you installed nvidia-glx ?
[06:25] <jasoncohen> lJlolel, well, something is definitely wrong then
[06:25] <whitefang> nox, no.
[06:25] <whitefang> unless its installed by default.
[06:25] <nox> whitefang, so do it now: "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx"
[06:25] <lJlolel> jasoncohen, yea, really weird
[06:25] <whitefang> nox, do i have to do anything else?
[06:26] <nox> whitefang, nope. just reset after you install it, and check the game if it still slow
[06:26] <nox> whitefang, thats probably the problem. drivers.
[06:26] <whitefang> nox, ok, now it won't run at all
[06:26] <whitefang> it just crashes when i try and start it.
[06:26] <nox> whitefang, you installed nvidia-glx and did a reboot?
[06:27] <whitefang> wtf
[06:27] <whitefang> this is linux, i have to reboot?
[06:27] <whitefang> jk
[06:27] <nox> whitefang, we are talking about drivers..
[06:27] <wardbones> is there a .conf file I can mv to reset sound-juicer to pre-run?
[06:27] <whitefang> ok, i'll reboot.
[06:27] <whitefang> brb
[06:27] <nox> whitefang, cya
[06:28] <cefx> ok...
[06:28] <deprave> updates are fun!
[06:28] <deprave> =D
[06:28] <cefx> How the fuck do I get root privs in ubuntu?
[06:28] <cefx> :|
[06:28] <cefx> there's no root account
[06:28] <nox> sudo <command>
[06:29] <benplaut> use your own password
[06:29] <nox> cefx, there is a root account, you just have to change its password. "sudo passwd root" will do what you want.
[06:29] <jasoncohen> cefx, sudo command or sudo -i for a root shell
[06:29] <PurpleMotion> this thing looks like it's gonna take a while to compile
[06:29] <cefx> neat!
[06:29] <cefx> thanks.
[06:29] <benplaut> and, if you want a root terminal, sudo su
[06:29] <whitefang> wow, nice and fast reboot.
[06:29] <benplaut> it didn't even say you left?!
[06:30] <PurpleMotion>  * esac (~esac@esac.user) has joined #ubuntu
[06:30] <PurpleMotion> wtf
[06:30] <cafuego> cefx: Step one is to realise you don't need a root account.
[06:30] <nox> whitefang, it works?
[06:30] <jtgameover> does anyone here use openbox?
[06:30] <cefx> cafuego, step two is to realize i need the permissions :)
[06:30] <esac> when I do a "top" in ubuntu , under CPU time, there is "wa" .. anybody know what this is, i cant find it documented
[06:30] <cafuego> cefx: So use 'sudo'
[06:30] <whitefang> now i get another error...
[06:30] <esac> PurpleMotion: ?
[06:30] <craks> any one use ppc ubuntu here?
[06:30] <craks> i have a problem about nptl in glibc
[06:30] <PurpleMotion> esac: how is your hostmask esac.user?
[06:30] <nox> whitefang, what is the error?
[06:30] <esac> PurpleMotion : because i have a user mask
[06:30] <whitefang> unable to initialize 3d output, please verify that you have installed driectx 8 and an updated video driver.
[06:30] <_frank> esac: I think its some waiting the cpu is doing for io to happen
[06:31] <PurpleMotion> esac: how does one acquire such a thing?
[06:31] <whitefang> before i installed those drivers you mentioned it was actually loading the game.
[06:31] <nalioth_zZz> craks: ask your question
[06:31] <whitefang> it just ran really slowly.
[06:31] <esac> _frank, thanks that would make sense then :)
[06:31] <nox> whitefang, wine is NOT for games. what game are you trying to load? you tried to run it with "dx9wine bla.exe" ?
[06:31] <whitefang> nox, my friend runs guild wars under ubuntu.
[06:31] <whitefang> and no, i didn't use dx9wine
[06:32] <nox> whitefang, thats because he is using cedega
[06:32] <esac> PurpleMotion : the best way is to donate, you can sometimes get one by just asking for one, but you probably have to catch them in the right mood :)
[06:32] <whitefang> ok.
[06:32] <nox> whitefang, so try dx9wine.
[06:32] <PurpleMotion> heh
[06:32] <whitefang> is dx9wine cedega?
[06:32] <nox> no
[06:32] <whitefang> or should i apt-get install cedega?
[06:32] <craks> i have run the command getconf GNU_LIBPTHREAD_VERSION
[06:32] <craks> but the result is linuxthreas-0.10
[06:32] <craks> not nptl 0.6*
[06:32] <craks> why this happens in ubuntu
[06:32] <twysted> hell im using ubuntu 5.04 and i cannot resolve domains, i have checked my nameservers and gateways, i am able to ping ips but not domains, and oddly  i can still get updates/upgrades through apt and aptitude, any ideas?
[06:32] <nox> whitefang, you can`t. cedega costs money.
[06:32] <twysted> ^hello
[06:32] <whitefang> oh.
[06:32] <craks> nptl is more faster and better than linuxthreads
[06:32] <f_newton> true craks
[06:33] <whitefang> nox, i don't have dx9wine
[06:33] <_frank> whitefang: you can get cedega from cvs for free and legally
[06:33] <benplaut> twysted: does ping www.google.com work?
[06:33] <cafuego> a cedega with stuff ripped out
[06:33] <_frank> cafuego: really? lika what?
[06:33] <cefx> dmesg error says BIOS error no PSB
[06:33] <twysted> benplaut: no, "unknown host"
[06:33] <esac> PurpleMotion:  http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#behaviorandcloaks
[06:33] <cefx> and uh
[06:33] <benplaut> hmm
[06:33] <nox> whitefang, try this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29996
[06:33] <whitefang> nox, how do i get dx9wine?
[06:33] <cefx> where the hell is my external hdd listed?
[06:33] <benplaut> !nameserver
[06:33] <ubotu> benplaut: I don't know
[06:33] <cyphase> twysted, i'm having the same problem
[06:33] <benplaut> arg
[06:34] <twysted> cyphase, im glad im not the only one
[06:34] <skalpel> nox: can i install k3b from package manager?
[06:34] <nox> whitefang, again, what game are you trying to run?
[06:34] <whitefang> nox, guild wars.
[06:34] <twysted> and a side note, i have tried reinstalling from my own burnt cd and an offical pressed cd
[06:34] <nox> skalpel, sure, if you have universe sources. try this: sudo apt-get install k3b
[06:34] <skalpel> k, got it
[06:34] <cyphase> i don't know why firefox doesn't save IP addresses of domains..
[06:34] <craks> i mean why not use nptl but linuxthreads, any one knows?
[06:34] <craks> there is a problem using nptl under ppc linux?
[06:34] <cyphase> just in case DNS goes down, you can at least go to sites that you've been to
[06:35] <twysted> cyphase because the base system should cache dns :)
[06:35] <cefx> Where in dmesg would a USB 2.0 external hdd be found?
[06:35] <twysted> not firefox
[06:35] <cefx> I can't find what the device is called in /dev
[06:35] <cyphase> twysted, yes, well, that too
[06:35] <cefx> whitefang, using cedega?
[06:35] <nox> whitefang, what type of a game is guild wars? rpg?
[06:35] <cyphase> twysted, but it wouldn't be to gard for firefox to implement it until the base system does
[06:35] <asda> mount /dev/fd0
[06:35] <cefx> nox: mmorpg, no monthly fees
[06:35] <asda> mount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified
[06:35] <asda> can help me sir
[06:35] <cyphase> hard*
[06:35] <cefx> like diablo
[06:35] <cefx> asda: is it an NTFS drive?
[06:36] <twysted> cyphase yes but thats something a browser shouldnt have to do, it could cause problems as well
[06:36] <whitefang> nox, its like a super-diablo
[06:36] <_frank> cyphase: yeah, how often does dns go down?
[06:36] <nox> whitefang, sorry, running guild wars with wine is not possible at this time. if you want to play it you will have to buy cedega.
[06:36] <skalpel> ugh, im not using k3b, it's made for kde, i use gnome.
[06:37] <poningru> um why isnt smeg in apt?
[06:37] <nox> whitefang, www.transgaming.com
[06:37] <poningru> err repos
[06:37] <cyphase> _frank, how many people really use RSS?
[06:37] <nox> skalpel, k3b works great in gnome.
[06:37] <PurpleMotion> you could have a MMOFPS
[06:37] <poningru> !smeg
[06:37] <ubotu> rumour has it, smeg is a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[06:37] <Amaranth> poningru: it's in backports and breezy
[06:37] <cyphase> yet firefox has an RSS reader
[06:37] <lJlolel> !tell myself about java
[06:37] <whitefang> nox, but it ran in wine, just really slowly before i installed those drivers.
[06:37] <PurpleMotion> or a MMOBG
[06:37] <skalpel> nox: it is hideous.
[06:37] <lJlolel> hmm, no java bot?
[06:37] <PurpleMotion> or even a MMOCG
[06:37] <cefx> whitefang: you can warez cedega :)
[06:37] <PurpleMotion> you cant tie MMO to RPG :D
[06:37] <lJlolel> nevermind
[06:37] <cefx> Why not, PurpleMotion :
[06:37] <benplaut> Amaranth: how's your work on it going?
[06:37] <cefx> It's semantics.
[06:37] <whitefang> cefx, i'd rather not.
[06:38] <asda> !ping me
[06:38] <ubotu> asda: I don't know, could you explain it?
[06:38] <PurpleMotion> cefx, i just illustrated that
[06:38] <_frank> Amaranth:
[06:38] <benplaut> (it's jut a bot)
[06:38] <lJlolel> is backports just an apt away?
[06:38] <Amaranth> benplaut: http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg-devel/loading_everything.png
[06:38] <PurpleMotion> ill be back, need to hit the store real quick
[06:38] <Amaranth> !backports
[06:38] <ubotu> backports is, like, .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[06:38] <sproingie> GW is slightly less "massive" than others.  lots of players, but you don't really compete for areas, it's all privately instanced per party
[06:38] <_frank> Amaranth: will Gnome put a menu editor in Gnome's next release?
[06:38] <sproingie> much like diablo in that sense
[06:38] <Amaranth> _frank: is has an editor that does nothing but show and hide entries
[06:39] <bur[n] er> _frank: www.slashdot.org read about it ;)
[06:39] <benplaut> _frank: yup, but it pales to smeg
[06:39] <_frank> Amaranth: maybe they would be interested in the work you've done ;-)
[06:39] <benplaut> Amaranth: darn... i just drooled on my keyboard :(
[06:39] <benplaut> whn'll it be ready for release?
[06:40] <bur[n] er> i think gnome 2.12 is beta1, so feature freeze is on, correct?
[06:40] <_frank> bur[n] er: if I remember correctly they change standard for menu information storage but a menu editor is pretty (absolutely) necessary. It's not much of an excuse
[06:40] <necrogami> Here's my problem: i installed Mozilla-Firefox w/ Apt-get and installed Java via the executable bin file on java.com i want to link Mozilla to the java what symlink do i need to put in ???
[06:40] <whitefang> how do i remove a pakage? is it apt-get uninstall wine?
[06:40] <Amaranth> _frank: did i mention smeg is in GNOME CVS now?
[06:40] <benplaut> oohhh
[06:41] <benplaut> nice!
[06:41] <maxy_noob> Hi guys!
[06:41] <Amaranth> doesn't mean much though
[06:41] <bur[n] er> necrogami: check wiki, faq, and ubuntuguide.org
[06:41] <nox> whitefang, you do it with: sudo apt-get remove <PKG>
[06:41] <twysted> necrogami: when you install java from the bin file you need to tell it to install to the firefox plugin dir
[06:41] <_frank> Amaranth: nice
[06:41] <necrogami> whitefang: apt-get remove <pkg>
[06:41] <maxy_noob> I installed RealPlayer 10 for Linux. But when I try to run it nothing happens
[06:41] <poningru> anyone know if the hoary-extras is not official yet?
[06:41] <twysted> maxy_noob: check realplayer's website for support on that
[06:42] <necrogami> twysted: whats the commandline for the firefox plugin?
[06:42] <benplaut> legally, i don't thik it can be official
[06:42] <Amaranth> http://dev.realistanew.com/compare.png
[06:42] <_frank> poningru: with w32codecs inside, could hoary-extras even be official?
[06:42] <maxy_noob> but I followed their instructions.
[06:42] <Amaranth> poningru: hoary-extras will never be official
[06:42] <twysted> necrogami its when you install the java not something u do in firefox
[06:42] <esac> ok i swear ive googled. how do i setup samba so that my windows machines can simply "net use" to them like normal .. id actually prefer just an open share, no authentication required if possible
[06:42] <necrogami> i know
[06:42] <poningru> ic
[06:42] <poningru> k thanks guys
[06:42] <cyphase> can someone give me a DNS server IP?
[06:42] <Amaranth> poningru: it's so illegal it could probably get you sued by the entire software industry
[06:42] <skalpel> has anyone else had any trouble using msn in linux?
[06:42] <asda> mount /dev/fd0
[06:43] <asda> mount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified
[06:43] <poningru> right ic
[06:43] <necrogami> ./j2re-1.5.0_04.i586.bin -??????
[06:43] <asda> anyone wanna help me
[06:43] <poningru> does it conflict with hoary-backports?
[06:43] <twysted> asda is it a ntfs drive
[06:43] <poningru> could adding both cause problems?
[06:43] <esac> asda mount -t vfat /dev/fdo /mnt/floppy
[06:43] <Amaranth> poningru: no, hoary-backports is a seperate project
[06:43] <benplaut> Amaranth: hmm... do those arrows on the side in .8 mean that we'll be able to re-order entries?
[06:43] <skalpel> what does it mean when gnomebaker quits halfway through a write and asks me to insert a disc?
[06:43] <Amaranth> benplaut: you can in 0.7
[06:43] <_frank> poningru: no problems using both!
[06:43] <Amaranth> benplaut: if you're on KDE or GNOME 2.11
[06:44] <benplaut> aaahhh
[06:44] <benplaut> 2.10 doesn't impliment it
[06:44] <Amaranth> benplaut: right
[06:44] <poningru> hmm ok thanks guys
[06:44] <benplaut> that's a good reason to switch to breezy
[06:44] <benplaut> (j/k before you jump on me)
[06:44] <Amaranth> benplaut: 0.7.5 is the last version i'm keeping the 2.10 support in for, it probably added 200 lines of code i don't want to maintain anymore
[06:45] <benplaut> hmm
[06:45] <twysted> cyphase> 209.210.176.8
[06:46] <PurpleMotion> still compiling, heh
[06:46] <sproingie> what the heck.  ghci segfaults out of the box
[06:46] <cyphase> thanx twysted
[06:46] <twysted> welcome
[06:47] <PurpleMotion> mplayer segfaults when i try to play dvds, heh
[06:47] <PurpleMotion> but kaffeine plays them fine
[06:47] <PurpleMotion> go finger
[06:47] <twysted> probibly a bad setting in mplayer
[06:48] <PurpleMotion> i doubt it
[06:48] <lJlolel> what will be the next name of ubuntu?
[06:48] <PurpleMotion> breezy badger
[06:48] <lJlolel> no hog?
[06:48] <benplaut> nope
[06:48] <twysted> check it purplemotion, i couldnt play dvds in mplayer unless i mounted the dvd and it was set as the right device :P
[06:49] <poningru> gaaah wtf
[06:49] <benplaut> Breezy Badgerhog
[06:49] <lJlolel> of course
[06:49] <cefx> I need help finding what device my external hard drive is.
[06:49] <whitefang> sudo apt-get install xlibmesa-glu-dev
[06:49] <poningru> there is a firefox package in backports
[06:49] <cefx> Any tips, people?
[06:49] <whitefang> oops
[06:49] <poningru> and a mozilla-firefox in main
[06:49] <PurpleMotion> i get a decode_video error then mplayer segfaults
[06:49] <poningru> or whatever it is in
[06:49] <whitefang>   gcc-3.4 3.4.3-9ubuntu4
[06:49] <whitefang>   gcc 4:3.3.5-1
[06:49] <whitefang>   gcc-3.3 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2
[06:49] <benplaut> cefx: go to Places menu, and see all of the options there
[06:49] <whitefang> which of these is the best package to install?
[06:49] <PurpleMotion> and, tmk, everything is setup right
[06:49] <benplaut> it should be in that menu
[06:49] <twysted> oh nice purplemotion
[06:49] <PurpleMotion> yah
[06:49] <cefx> uh it's not?
[06:50] <PurpleMotion> even if i try to open .vob files
[06:50] <cefx> it's an external drive that is not mounted
[06:50] <PurpleMotion> same deal
[06:50] <benplaut> oh
[06:50] <skalpel> is there an app top unpack rar files that uses a gui?
[06:50] <PurpleMotion> i just dont have the best luck when it comes to video in linux, heh
[06:51] <PurpleMotion> doesnt ark do rar files if rar is installed?
[06:51] <benplaut> cefx: try "sudo /mnt/usbhdd" and then "mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/usbhdd"
[06:51] <cefx> benplaut, ideas?
[06:51] <twysted> ive always double clicked rar files and it did it for me
[06:51] <benplaut> oh, and a sudo on the second one
[06:51] <PurpleMotion> yup
[06:51] <cefx> benplaut, it's also ntfs
[06:51] <PurpleMotion> ark does rar files
[06:51] <gpd> sproingie: sorry for annoyance... but do you remember an X11 app called sproingie or springie or sproing or something... it was a spring simulator like sodaplay.com
[06:51] <benplaut> then you'll only be able to read it, not write
[06:51] <benplaut> brb
[06:51] <cafuego> it might need unrar-nonfree
[06:52] <PurpleMotion> DAMNIT
[06:52] <skalpel> what is the command to execute unrar-nonfree?
[06:52] <sproingie> gpd: there's an opengl screensaver named sproingies, inspired by qbert.  that's where i got the name
[06:52] <PurpleMotion> mpeg4ip error'd on make
[06:52] <PurpleMotion> FARK
[06:52] <cefx> benplaut, /mnt/usbhdd isn't a command
[06:52] <cafuego> skalpel: 'unrar', if it is installed
[06:53] <skalpel> it is, but that does not offer me a gui, it is a command line program
[06:53] <ricosuave17> how do i log onto a ssh computer
[06:53] <PurpleMotion> why in the hell cant you just 'make player'
[06:53] <gpd> sproingie: ok, no problem, thought you might be talking about that spring thing... I think it might be solaris come to think of it...
[06:53] <mebaran> what marillat branch should I use for mplayer
[06:54] <crimsun> mebaran: for hoary? use sarge.
[06:54] <mebaran> I need version 1.07 because the early ones are pretty buggy on amd64
[06:54] <cafuego> mebaran: none
[06:54] <mebaran> crimsun, for breezy atm
[06:54] <crimsun> better yet, compile it on your own system.
[06:54] <skalpel> UNRAR 3.40 freeware      Copyright (c) 1993-2004 Alexander Roshal
[06:54] <mebaran> I was trying to use build dep
[06:54] <skalpel> is that the correct version?
[06:54] <cafuego> mebaran: marrilat is debianused and youll get libc6 depend issues
[06:54] <skalpel> all i get is a command line help response
[06:54] <cafuego> mebaran: Basically, don't use breezy.
[06:54] <mebaran> cafuego, it is working ok
[06:55] <PurpleMotion> i mean wouldnt it make sense to be able to 'make player'???
[06:55] <mebaran> mplayer works
[06:55] <Sighkick> Good evening from NZ... is anyone able to help with a sound card problem?
[06:55] <cefx> Anyone know how I can find the hdd?
[06:55] <mebaran> but I need libdvdcss to do anything
[06:55] <crimsun> Sighkick: shoot
[06:55] <cafuego> mebaran: And if you want dvd or avi access, don't use amd64.
[06:55] <mebaran> cafuego, it ALWAYS worked before
[06:55] <mebaran> cafuego, you dont know what you are talking about
[06:55] <cafuego> mebaran: You'll want a 32bit version then.
[06:55] <cefx> What do you mean, cafuego ?
[06:55] <mebaran> a source compile works fine
[06:55] <mebaran> mplayer v1.07pre works like a charm on my two boxes encoding and everything
[06:55] <cafuego> mebaran: I *RUN* amd64, mate. I know what DOES and DOES NOT work here.
[06:56] <mebaran> cafuego, I ran amd64
[06:56] <cefx> cafuego, help me find this hard drive to mount it :P
[06:56] <mebaran> what is your problem
[06:56] <Sighkick> crimsun, have tried to install 2 legacy ISA sound cards... no joy.  Is there anyway to get them to work easily or is it a mammoth compile driver task?
[06:56] <mebaran> in dvd
[06:56] <cafuego> mebaran: yeah, tarball installs is an altogether different issue.
[06:56] <mebaran> yeah
[06:56] <cafuego> mebaran: Locks up the box (hard)
[06:56] <mebaran> but building an mplayer pkg is easy
[06:56] <mebaran> cafuego, ah I got that a couple times
[06:56] <mebaran> I assumed it was heating issues .....
[06:57] <mebaran> sometiems it doesnt though
[06:57] <cefx> Well some help everyone is. :(
[06:57] <PurpleMotion> mplayer homepage down for anyone else?
[06:57] <mebaran> isnt encoding supposed to be one of those things that 64 bits excels at?
[06:57] <f_newton> if your software will accept it yes
[06:57] <cafuego> mebaran: yeah, as long as the encoders don't use ia32 ASM
[06:57] <f_newton> lol
[06:57] <mebaran> cafuego, ahhhhh
[06:57] <cefx> Is there ANY ONE that can help me?
[06:58] <PurpleMotion> cefx:  what are you on about?
[06:58] <DekaPink> If only I could make TMPGenc work... :3
[06:58] <mebaran> the havent ported mplayer yet from assembler
[06:58] <mebaran> or ffmpeg
[06:58] <mebaran> or ... anything?
[06:58] <cefx> PurpleMotion, I can't find my external HDD which is connected via USB in DMESG to mount it.
[06:58] <cafuego> mebaran: no idea, I do my recoding on win32.
[06:58] <PurpleMotion> cefx:  /dev/sda ?
[06:58] <PurpleMotion> should be
[06:58] <cefx> checking
[06:58] <cefx> How can i check?
[06:58] <mebaran> cafuego, bad bad man
[06:58] <mebaran> heheh
[06:59] <PurpleMotion> cefx: cat /var/log/messages | grep -i /dev/sd
[06:59] <DekaPink> Now, to amuse everyone... the amusing ubuntu girl my friend found: http://www.wakachan.org/os/src/1122485798403.jpg
[06:59] <cafuego> mebaran: As long as Linux doesn't have decent GUI software to do it I won't be switching.
[06:59] <PurpleMotion> is the mplayer homepage down for anyone else?
[06:59] <f_newton> cafuego, excuse me?
[06:59] <mebaran> acidrip is decent enough
[06:59] <f_newton> linux has great gui software for recording video
[06:59] <mebaran> cafeugo, have you tried mythtv
[06:59] <twysted> hello im using ubuntu 5.04 and i cannot resolve domains, i have checked my nameservers and gateways, i am able to ping ips but not domains, and oddly i can still get updates/upgrades through apt and aptitude, any ideas?
[06:59] <cefx> nothing
[06:59] <Sighkick> Crimsun: u still there?  ISA Sound Cards too much of a problem?
[06:59] <mebaran> that is one of the few places linux HAS good gui
[07:00] <mebaran> Sighkick, you still have an ISA snd card
[07:00] <poningru> twysted: you sure its not your dns server?
[07:00] <cafuego> f_newton: As long as Linux doesn't have decent GUI software to transcode video/crearte DVDs I will keep using windows.
[07:00] <mebaran> cafuego, it does
[07:00] <crimsun> Sighkick: sorry, let me read
[07:00] <mebaran> for transcoding at least
[07:00] <twysted> poningru: i have tried my isp
[07:00] <mebaran> acidrip is a very nice gui
[07:00] <PurpleMotion> DekaPink:  too bad parts of it are cutoff..... that would be an awesome splashy theme
[07:00] <twysted> and my inhouse dns
[07:00] <poningru> twysted: have you tried resolving using another os?
[07:00] <mebaran> or dvdrip if you want to be a power user
[07:00] <poningru> you have an inhouse dns?
[07:00] <crimsun> Sighkick: which two cards?
[07:00] <skalpel> is there an app top unpack rar files that uses a gui?
[07:00] <poningru> wtf
[07:00] <cafuego> mebaran: What, with transcode as backend?
[07:00] <Sighkick> mebaran: yes, I was always under the impression that Linux was the way to keep older technology useful...
[07:01] <twysted> poningru: im on windows xp right now and i can resolve and so can every other box in my house, but this one machine will not resolve using my isp's or my own dns servers
[07:01] <DekaPink> PurpleMotion, Truly. :D
[07:01] <poningru> anyway how are you connecting?
[07:01] <mebaran> Sighkick, Isa is prety old
[07:01] <mebaran> but I am sure you can make it work
[07:01] <Sighkick> crimsun, : I have tried an ESS1868F and a Creative Vibra 16
[07:01] <mebaran> do you know what kind of car itis
[07:01] <Sighkick> BRB fone
[07:01] <lJlolel> thank you all!
[07:01] <lJlolel> exit
[07:01] <mebaran> cafuego, no
[07:01] <crimsun> Sighkick: which did you want to use?
[07:01] <mebaran> mencoder
[07:01] <twysted> poningru: dsl through a openbsd router
[07:01] <mebaran> which I find does a better job
[07:01] <mebaran> if you want transcode to backend it
[07:01] <cafuego> Does that produce decent non-jumpy video yet?
[07:02] <esac> is there a good guide for setting up QoS/traffic shaping ? I want to give priority to say ... ssh, squid, apache2, and then whatever is left over to say ... bittorrent downloads/uploads ..
[07:02] <mebaran> cafuego, mine doesnt jump
[07:02] <mebaran> then again I have an AMD64
[07:02] <mebaran> so that might explain it
[07:02] <cafuego> mebaran: I do too.
[07:02] <mebaran> nah
[07:02] <mebaran> my TV recordings look clear enough
[07:02] <cefx> mebaran, me too :/
[07:02] <twysted> hmmm
[07:02] <cefx> I'm starting to freak about not seeing the hdd.  Is USB or FireWire better for Ubuntu amd64?
[07:03] <mebaran> cafuego, I transcoded all of the works of Fellini at 1815 kbps
[07:03] <mebaran> they look beautiful
[07:03] <mebaran> the filters did a great job
[07:03] <whitefang> is dx9wine in the wine cvs source?
[07:03] <mebaran> and acidrip chugged them
[07:03] <mebaran> the only problem was
[07:03] <mebaran> that it locked up hard on occasion
[07:03] <f_newton> the funny thing for me cafuego is that I dont use my computer for tv entertainment purposes
[07:03] <twysted> cefx usb should be fine
[07:03] <Sighkick> crimsun: I have tried the ESS1868F and it was not shown when I did a ispci
[07:03] <mebaran> and I guess it was because of the 32 bit ASM
[07:03] <cafuego> f_newton: I use it to procude DVDs from downloads
[07:04] <mebaran> I thought the cpu was getting hot as it would do the hot beeping stuffs
[07:04] <Sighkick> crimsun, : the creative vibra 16 is now fitted (ISA)
[07:04] <mebaran> cafuego, dvdauthor is decent
[07:04] <mebaran> and graveman I think can make dvd vids
[07:04] <cafuego> f_newton: .. so i can watch 'em on the DVD.
[07:04] <mebaran> either than or gnomebaker
[07:04] <Sighkick> let me try that command again... I dont know what it is, was just told to do it last nite..
[07:04] <twysted> poningru: any ideas?
[07:04] <f_newton> yes cafuego I know what you use it for
[07:05] <pudland> how do you switch to root? su?
[07:05] <deprave> jesus these w32codecs are taking forever to download even on blazing fast AOL dialup!
[07:05] <twysted> pudland use sudo
[07:05] <f_newton> I use my computer to make my work easier
[07:05] <f_newton> I use my tv to put me to sleep
[07:05] <cafuego> f_newton: <heh>
[07:05] <cafuego> f_newton: I use books to put me to sleep.
[07:05] <mebaran> f_newton, but what if you were that comic character
[07:05] <f_newton> and any old infomercial will do that
[07:05] <mebaran> Little Abner
[07:05] <mebaran> what then ...
[07:05] <cafuego> f_newton: TV to switch my brain off whilst staying awake.
[07:05] <f_newton> well I aint but lil abner had daisy mae
[07:06] <deprave> i use methadone
[07:06] <mebaran> could anyone help me manually make the drivers for my nvidia 6600GT
[07:06] <f_newton> and that would help any man sleep well
[07:06] <mebaran> the version in the repos is not recent enough
[07:06] <mebaran> and I am getting a slew of weird errors
[07:06] <pudland> twysted: what usage?
[07:06] <Sighkick> crimsun, : I tried that command (lspci) in a terminal window and there is no pnp isa card shown
[07:06] <PurpleMotion> http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/887 <-- looks good, no??
[07:06] <twysted> pudland: sudo application
[07:06] <twysted> pudland: sudo apt-get update
[07:06] <twysted> :)
[07:07] <mebaran> arg
[07:07] <mebaran> why isnt my chvt
[07:07] <mebaran> working
[07:07] <pudland> im trying to get perms to install java
[07:08] <cafuego> mebaran: Are you using a 2.6.13-rcX kernel?
[07:08] <mebaran> not yet ...
[07:08] <mebaran> only 2.6.12
[07:08] <Amaranth> breezy isn't going to have 2.6.13
[07:08] <cafuego> mebaran: The stock driver ought to work fine on that.
[07:08] <mebaran> cafuego, vesa works ok
[07:08] <mebaran> it just is ugly and not clean
[07:08] <cafuego> I think the ABI got changed in 2.6.13 (and that breaks nvidia)
[07:08] <cefx> K.  Still no luck with the hdd.
[07:08] <pudland> su
[07:08] <PurpleMotion> (totem:28410): GStreamer-WARNING **: element internal_thread claimed state-change success,but state didn't change to PLAYING. State is PAUSED (NONE_PENDING pending), fix the element
[07:09] <PurpleMotion> it plays in windows, damnit!
[07:09] <twysted> pudland use sudo sh javainstaller.bin
[07:09] <weirdcreep> how do i use ssh
[07:09] <cefx> Can someone please help me?
[07:09] <Sighkick> gidday fishy: whats the weather like over the pond?
[07:09] <mebaran> cafuego, it wont let me dll it
[07:09] <cafuego> twysted: NO!
[07:09] <PurpleMotion> !java
[07:09] <ubotu> hmm... java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[07:09] <mebaran> because it the modules havent been fixed yet
[07:09] <fishy> Sighkick: I live in a house :(
[07:09] <mebaran> what is a good tool to encode in theora
[07:09] <cafuego> mebaran: dll whatnow?
[07:09] <pudland> it says command not found
[07:09] <mebaran> I wnat to get the propreitary nvidia driver
[07:09] <mebaran> but as you might realize
[07:10] <mebaran> tehy havent fixed restricted modules for the new kernel
[07:10] <Sighkick> Oh, so all aussies don't live in the bush then... silly me :)
[07:10] <Amaranth> PurpleMotion: what plays in windows?
[07:10] <pudland> hold on
[07:10] <pudland> lemme try again
[07:10] <cafuego> mebaran: want my /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel ?
[07:10] <cafuego> mebaran: works fine
[07:10] <PurpleMotion> Amaranth:  all my mp4 videos play in windows just fine, but they dont play _at_all_ in linux under any player, and yes i have the right codecs and libraries installed
[07:11] <Amaranth> PurpleMotion: mp4 is encrypted with Apple's FairPlay DRM
[07:11] <concept10> PurpleMotion, have you tried VLC?
[07:11] <cafuego> pudland: "sudo apt-get install java-package". DO NOT run the command twysted gave you!
[07:11] <PurpleMotion> yup
[07:11] <mebaran> oh
[07:11] <PurpleMotion> sure have
[07:11] <mebaran> is it included?
[07:11] <Amaranth> concept10, PurpleMotion: Nothing will play them.
[07:11] <skalpel> how do i change my splash screen in ubuntu?
[07:11] <mebaran> cafeugo, how do I get it
[07:12] <Amaranth> PurpleMotion: This is why you don't buy music videos from iTunes. :)
[07:12] <PurpleMotion> Amaranth:  they play in windows just fine. and according to mplayer and gstreamer, they SHOULD be playing here as well
[07:12] <cafuego> mebaran: I copied it out of the linux-restricted-modules tree
[07:12] <PurpleMotion> i didnt, if you must know it's a movie, and i didnt buy it.. it's ummm gpl, yeah, thats it, gpl
[07:12] <gpd> sproingie: it was called xspringies and there is now jspringies :)
[07:12] <mebaran> how come you dont have to force modprobe it
[07:12] <Amaranth> PurpleMotion: um
[07:13] <Amaranth> PurpleMotion: if you've installed w32codecs install totem-xine too and try to play it with totem again
[07:13] <mebaran> I am just going to use the nvidia installer
[07:13] <Amaranth> PurpleMotion: if it doesn't work after that it won't at all
[07:13] <Arkubuntu> hi everyone
[07:13] <PurpleMotion> yup been there, done that, still dont work
[07:13] <PurpleMotion> heh
[07:13] <amonkey> is it an asshole thing to do to hack people at a lan? cuz i thought it wasm pretty funny when his mouse started moving
[07:13] <cafuego> mebaran: No idea. Do you want me to tar bz2 my source dir and put it online for you?
[07:13] <PurpleMotion> im recompiling mplayer from the pre7 source.. they say there are a few mpeg related fixes in it
[07:14] <Arkubuntu> someone have installed jdk in ubuntu?
[07:14] <concept10> PurpleMotion, I have played mp4's with VLC
[07:14] <mebaran> cafuego, how aobut you just even give me the binary module
[07:14] <mebaran> it should work
[07:14] <PurpleMotion> concept10:  i hear ya, ppl have played them with xine, mplayer, and gstreamer as well
[07:14] <mebaran> we are both using the same kernel
[07:14] <mebaran> on the same architecture
[07:14] <PurpleMotion> just for whatever reason, they're not playing for _me_
[07:14] <pudland> cafuego: it said couldnt fing java-package
[07:14] <cafuego> mebaran: Because my kernel is patched.
[07:14] <Sighkick> Anyone able to offer a relatively painless solution to install a legacy ISA Creative Vibra 16 sound card please?  I have already seen www.alsa-project.org and it doesn't seem beginner friendly :(
[07:15] <mebaran> cafuego, ahhhhh
[07:15] <mebaran> I think I will run the nvidia script
[07:15] <mebaran> it isnt so bad
[07:15] <cafuego> pudland: You mgith need to enable the "universe" repository.
[07:15] <mebaran> chvt is not working on my breezy comp
[07:15] <PurpleMotion> Sighkick:  if you're using ubuntu, chances are alsa is already installed and configured.. together with hotplug, all you should have to do is put the card in and go
[07:15] <mebaran> alt-ctrl f1 doesnt give me a terminal anymore
[07:15] <Arkubuntu> i have a problem with the jdk setup
[07:15] <Arkubuntu> please!! help!!
[07:16] <lunitik> Arkubuntu, what is the issue?
[07:16] <cafuego> mebaran: Like I said before, breezy is broken.
[07:16] <PurpleMotion> Arkubuntu:  watch ubotu
[07:16] <PurpleMotion> !java
[07:16] <ubotu> well, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[07:16] <mebaran> THAT broken
[07:16] <mebaran> what are they doing with chvt
[07:16] <PurpleMotion> follow those directions, you can't go wrong
[07:16] <mebaran> hasnt that been the same forever
[07:16] <Arkubuntu> i can't install jdk
[07:16] <Sighkick> PurpleMotion, : been there, done that....it doesnt find the PnP ISA card... checked by running cmd lspci - its not listed
[07:16] <Arkubuntu> a message appears.. like this
[07:16] <pudland> cafuego: /etc/apt/?????
[07:16] <PurpleMotion> pnpisatools
[07:16] <PurpleMotion> have phun
[07:16] <lunitik> cafuego, change 'multiverse' to 'extras' ... I forget the syntax...
[07:17] <cafuego> pudland: sources.list
[07:17] <mebaran> I am thinking of moving to gentoo
[07:17] <mebaran> except the frame buffer drivers in gentoo
[07:17] <Sighkick> ok... how do I find pnpisatools pls?
[07:17] <mebaran> make everything exceedingly dim
[07:17] <concept10> Sighkick, you want lspci to list a ISA card?
[07:17] <twysted> gentoo sucks honestly they break it ALOT
[07:17] <mebaran> twysted, argh!
[07:17] <PurpleMotion> i think acutally it's isapnptools
[07:17] <Gorth> what's ubuntu's version of env-update
[07:17] <cafuego> mebaran: soemthing even more broken than breezy, congratiulations. </sarcasm>
[07:17] <Arkubuntu> "The installer is unable to run in graphical mode. Try running the installer with the -console or -silent flag."
[07:17] <twysted> its nice other then it being borked all the time :)
[07:17] <lunitik> mebaran, Gentoo offeres less software... and requires more maintainence... why would you want to do that?
[07:18] <cafuego> mebaran: Shoulda stuck with hoary.
[07:18] <Arkubuntu> that's the message!
[07:18] <Sighkick> concept10, : it was something someone suggested I did last night... I have no idea what the command means
[07:18] <pudland> cafuego: how come su doesnt like my psswrd?
[07:18] <Arkubuntu> what can i do?
[07:18] <PurpleMotion> Sighkick:  sudo apt-get install isapnptools
[07:18] <cafuego> pudland: sudo, not su
[07:18] <Amaranth> mebaran: chvt?
[07:18] <f_newton> list pci devices?
[07:18] <Gorth> env-update doesn't exist??
[07:18] <pudland> cafuego: sudo edit sources.list???
[07:18] <twysted> pudland: forget the command "su" use sudo for root privledges in a program
[07:18] <mebaran> Amaranth, it is the program that changes your screen
[07:18] <pudland> cafuego: else read only
[07:18] <Amaranth> mebaran: err
[07:18] <mebaran> what you call when you push alt-ctrl-0f1
[07:18] <cafuego> pudland: yes
[07:18] <concept10> Sighkick, try to find your hardware with the device manager
[07:19] <Amaranth> mebaran: ok, works here
[07:19] <mebaran> lets you have multiple cli
[07:19] <mebaran> I can call it from terminal
[07:19] <Arkubuntu> please!! somebody help me!! i can't install jdk
[07:19] <transgress> screen
[07:19] <mebaran> but it doesnt ... work
[07:19] <transgress> mebaran: screen
[07:19] <mebaran> transgress, doesnt chvt call screen
[07:19] <cafuego> mebaran: http://www.cafuego.net/stuff/nvidia-kernel.tar.bz2
[07:19] <transgress> iuno
[07:19] <Sighkick> concept10, : i found the device manager but couldnt figure out how to make it LOOK again...
[07:19] <Amaranth> mebaran: multiple cli? you know ctrl-alt-f2 works, right?
[07:19] <pudland> cafuego: im ubuntu newb.  too much FC. is sudo ubuntu specific?
[07:19] <mebaran> Amaranth, that is exactly what DOESNT work on my box
[07:19] <Amaranth> pudland: no
[07:20] <cafuego> mebaran: next time you think going to a broken distro is clever, please reconsider.
[07:20] <Arkubuntu> during the setup appears this message "The installer is unable to run in graphical mode. Try running the installer with the -console or -silent flag." why? i don't know!
[07:20] <mebaran> cafuego, hoary is more broken on my comp at least
[07:20] <Amaranth> mebaran: go back to hoary
[07:20] <mebaran> the installer kernel panics
[07:20] <mebaran> that is not a good sign
[07:20] <Amaranth> wow
[07:20] <pudland> cafuego: hhhm, ok, new to me.  i'll try
[07:20] <Razor-X> mebaran: you went to breezy?
[07:20] <lunitik> Arkubuntu, wiki.ubuntu.org/RestrictedFormats ... install sun-j2sdk1.5 from extras
[07:20] <mebaran> Razor-X, yeah
[07:20] <Amaranth> mebaran: you must have some esoteric hardware :)
[07:20] <mebaran> no
[07:20] <Gorth> guys my xmms won't run its configure because it says my glib is out of date
[07:20] <mebaran> the most esoteric thing in my box
[07:20] <Gorth> but i've used aptitude to update my glib like
[07:20] <mebaran> is a nvidia 660GT
[07:20] <Gorth> 50 times
[07:20] <cafuego> hoary ia32 and amd64 work fine on mine.
[07:20] <f_newton> is breezy in release?
[07:20] <cafuego> f_newton: No.
[07:20] <sproingie> f_newton: no.  october
[07:20] <mebaran> problem is the whole damn thing is pci express
[07:21] <mebaran> which I think confuses the kernel to no end
[07:21] <f_newton> kewl...
[07:21] <lunitik> Arkubuntu, you probably want sun-j2re1.5 though if you can't figure out that much...
[07:21] <cafuego> mebaran: No, it doesn't confuse the kernel.
[07:21] <mebaran> cafuego, eh then I dont know
[07:21] <mebaran> I got breezy to install once by setting pci-express to legacy mode and switching it back on boot
[07:21] <Arkubuntu> i have installed j2re
[07:21] <mebaran> I mean hoary
[07:21] <mebaran> but it wouldnt create /dev/dsp for my Via Envy sndcard
[07:22] <cafuego> PCI express is just agp with a rocket up its arse as far as the kernel is concerned
[07:22] <Arkubuntu> i want the jdk
[07:22] <mebaran> it loaded the modules
[07:22] <lunitik> Arkubuntu, then the plugin should be working...
[07:22] <Sighkick> concept10, : the ISA Creative Vibra 16 sound card is not shown... let me run that apt get command
[07:22] <mebaran> it did all that nice stuff
[07:22] <Gorth> configure: error: *** GLIB >= 1.2.2 not installed - please install first ***
[07:22] <Gorth> :(
[07:22] <lunitik> Arkubuntu, apt-get install sun-j2sdk1.5
[07:22] <Arkubuntu> yes... the plugin is working.... but i can't install the jdk software
[07:22] <cafuego> Gorth: What are you compiling?
[07:22] <mebaran> if you have 32 bit asm in code
[07:22] <Gorth> xmms
[07:22] <Arkubuntu> ok... waittt...
[07:22] <cafuego> Gorth: Why?
[07:22] <mebaran> how does the processor deal with it
[07:22] <Gorth> for music!
[07:22] <mebaran> when the kernel sends it on
[07:22] <cafuego> Gorth: apt-get install xmms
[07:22] <Gorth> ah
[07:22] <Gorth> thanks
[07:23] <pudland> cafuego: what app used to edit sources.list?
[07:23] <Dreumah> hey i have a smart link 56k modem in my laptop is it supported, and how do i get it to work?
[07:23] <cafuego> pudland: Your favuorite editor.
[07:23] <lunitik> cafuego, maybe have him use Synaptic...
[07:23] <Amaranth> Dreumah: Is it a winmodem?
[07:23] <Arkubuntu> "packet not found"
[07:23] <Gorth> what's the difference between apt-get and aptitude
[07:23] <cafuego> lunitik: You do  it, I am about to runa way screaming and get committed...
[07:23] <Dreumah> winmodem?
[07:23] <Arkubuntu> there's a special deb line for apt?
[07:24] <bingobango> anyone have any trouble getting sound to work with nvidia nforce2?
[07:24] <deprave> Dreumah : look at the modem, does it say lucent on the chips?
[07:24] <Draucon> anyone else have problems running gdesklets?
[07:24] <lunitik> Arkubuntu, uhh... yes... thats why I directed you at wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats... if you want help... you really ought to pay attention
[07:24] <lunitik> cafuego, haha
[07:24] <Dreumah> it came with in the laptop, i cant look at the chips
[07:24] <Arkubuntu> thanks!
[07:24] <lunitik> cafuego, what do you want him to add?
[07:24] <Dreumah> its internal
[07:25] <deprave> Dreumah : hmmmmmm
[07:25] <Madeye> guys, I'm using my ADSL modem as router, How can i make my web server visible in this case?
[07:25] <DekaPink> Huh... How can I make sure a port can be accessed? :3
[07:25] <deprave> Dreumah : try looking for a piece of software called ltmodem for ubuntu, and run that, that might help ya out
[07:25] <twysted> madeye look at your adsl modems documentation and find out how to forward ports
[07:25] <twysted> or call your isp
[07:26] <Dreumah> but i cant connect to the internet with my mashine in ubuntu... i am on win right now trying to get the better part of my laptop to work
[07:26] <PurpleMotion> gmplayer: h264.c:2306: mc_dir_part: Assertion `pic->data[0] ' failed.
[07:26] <PurpleMotion> wtf does that mean
[07:26] <deprave> Dreumah : download it, it fits on a floppy
[07:26] <lunitik> PurpleMotion, why are you using mplayer?
[07:26] <DekaPink> Tibia can't seem to access the internet. Heh.
[07:26] <pablo928> Does anyone know of a simple flash site building app available for Ubuntu?
[07:27] <Sighkick> PurpleMotion, : can't find the package isapnptools (or pnpisatools) anymore suggestions?
[07:27] <Dreumah> and then just run it and see what happens.. aight, thank you,  hopefully it works
[07:27] <PurpleMotion> EVERY player crashes that file with that EXACT same message. i'm just playing my options, now what does it mean?
[07:27] <lunitik> PurpleMotion, you have codecs installed?
[07:27] <deprave> what would the apt-get activator be for java
[07:27] <PurpleMotion> Sighkick:  the package is there... i dont know, check your repositories
[07:27] <Draucon> noones running gdesklets?
[07:28] <PurpleMotion> man im not going through this every fucking time i get a little more info on this. ALL I WANT TO KNOW IS WHAT THE ERROR MEANS IN TECHNICAL TERMS
[07:28] <lunitik> deprave, wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  ... you need the extras repo there...
[07:28] <PurpleMotion> jesus christ
[07:28] <deprave> ok thanks
[07:28] <nomasteryoda> Draucon, how to make gdesklets work?
[07:28] <lunitik> PurpleMotion, ^^
[07:28] <benplaut> !gdesklets
[07:28] <ubotu> benplaut: I don't know, could you explain it?
[07:28] <lunitik> deprave, haha... that wasn't for you, so
[07:28] <PurpleMotion> sorry for the outburst, all
[07:28] <lunitik> sorry
[07:28] <Sighkick> LOL... was going to answer that I didnt need suppositories...... ok where are my repostitories..on the Hdd or install cd?
[07:28] <Draucon> yeah when i installed it doesn't seem to be working
[07:28] <benplaut> how do you add something to ubotu?
[07:28] <nomasteryoda> yea
[07:29] <lunitik> !info gdesklets
[07:29] <ubotu> gdesklets: (an advanced architecture for desktop applets), section universe/gnome, is optional. Version: 0.34.3-0ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 358 kB, Installed size: 2104 kB
[07:29] <nomasteryoda> nice ...kinda gui
[07:29] <PurpleMotion> YES, I have w32codecs installed, I ALSO have libfaad2 installed, as well and libdvdcss and whatever else you're going to ask me over and over. all i want to know is what the error MEANS.
[07:29] <Draucon> !info gdesklets
[07:29] <benplaut> why ask again?
[07:29] <lunitik> PurpleMotion, no idea...
[07:30] <PurpleMotion> heh, thats cool, i dunno either
[07:30] <PurpleMotion> cryptic if ever there was an error message
[07:30] <deprave> wow java is big!
[07:30] <benplaut> cafuego: where can i find a list of commands to be used on blootbot?
[07:30] <lunitik> PurpleMotion, thus trying to figure it out...
[07:30] <benplaut> !blootbot
[07:30] <ubotu> I heard blootbot is see ubotu.
[07:30] <benplaut> :P
[07:30] <lunitik> !info blootbot
[07:30] <PurpleMotion> lunitik:  yeah, good luck.. i been pulling my hair out over it for a week
[07:30] <concept10> PurpleMotion, I suggest you ask in the channel of the application your are using
[07:30] <ubotu> blootbot: (a severely modified infobot for IRC), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 1.1.0-5.1 (hoary), Packaged size: 235 kB, Installed size: 936 kB
[07:30] <benplaut> !infobot
[07:30] <ubotu> benplaut: I give up, what is it?
[07:30] <Razor-X> deprave: did you think it was small? ;)
[07:30] <benplaut> !cafuego
[07:30] <ubotu> benplaut: I give up, what is it?
[07:30] <benplaut> oh, come on :P
[07:30] <lunitik> !info infobot
[07:30] <PurpleMotion> concept10:  screw it, i'll share it on samba and watch it downstairs on windows :D
[07:31] <asda> dd if=/dev/cdrom of=file.iso bs=1024
[07:31] <asda> dd: reading `/dev/cdrom': Input/output error
[07:31] <asda> 652+0 records in
[07:31] <asda> 652+0 records out
[07:31] <Draucon> ok so noone has any ideas
[07:31] <twysted> !nameserver
[07:31] <asda> help me pls
[07:31] <ubotu> twysted: Wish i knew
[07:31] <concept10> Stop playing with the bot
[07:31] <lunitik> haha... no dpkg for infobot... boo
[07:31] <deprave> well i was hoping
[07:31] <lunitik> ohh... cafuego, you still around?
[07:31] <Razor-X> asda: dd doesen't output straight to iso
[07:31] <orion> hey rapists
[07:31] <PurpleMotion> hey orion
[07:31] <PurpleMotion> that's my sons name
[07:31] <PurpleMotion> and the name of my former dalnet server
[07:31] <PurpleMotion> heh
[07:32] <orion> this is my first time using ubuntuand im running apache
[07:32] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: how old is your son?
[07:32] <orion> working pretty well
[07:32] <PurpleMotion> Razor-X:  he'll be 9 in november
[07:32] <concept10> could someone tell me if they can access my site: http://ntarieo.ath.cx/apache2-default/public_html/mambo/
[07:32] <deprave> orion is old school!
[07:32] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: i'm about 7 years his senior
[07:32] <orion> how am i oldschool?
[07:32] <whitefang> where can i get live support for compiling wine cvs?
[07:32] <lunitik> concept10, no
[07:32] <Razor-X> whitefang: #wine
[07:32] <concept10> lunitik, you cant?
[07:32] <deprave> not you, orion.dal.*
[07:33] <lunitik> concept10, no, I can't... what you think I meant?
[07:33] <whitefang> there's 1 person in #wine
[07:33] <PurpleMotion> Razor-X:  right on... he was born 11/7/96, and orion.dal.net's predecessor, centurion.dal.net linked on 11/8/96, while i was still in the hospital, heh
[07:33] <Razor-X> whitefang: ask him for help ;)
[07:33] <orion> #apache
[07:33] <PurpleMotion> i went home and changed my motd to ITS A BOY
[07:33] <PurpleMotion> hehehe
[07:33] <concept10> lunitik, that was real fast thats all.
[07:33] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: I wasborn on 5/9/90 ;)
[07:33] <Razor-X> s/wasborn/was born/
[07:33] <PurpleMotion> my anniversary is 5/4/93
[07:33] <benplaut> whitefang: try #winehq
[07:34] <Razor-X> I don't think i'll ever have the time to sysadmin something that large
[07:34] <benplaut> 70 people
[07:34] <deprave> jesus i need to get off irc for a while
[07:34] <orion> is there a channel for apache here?
[07:34] <windex|asleep> Razor-X, soon i will be able to say i have been on irc longer than other people have been alive.
[07:34] <Razor-X> deprave: yes, after a while, you'll forget that there are people who actually walk around and do stuff with their limbs
[07:34] <benplaut> orion: try #apache
[07:34] <orion> yeah ty benplaut
[07:35] <rgould> How does one go about installing a custom font for Gnome?
[07:35] <Razor-X> windex|asleep: and soon i'll be able to say that i'm the youngest maintainer on Ubuntu ;)
[07:35] <lunitik> rgould, apt-cache search ttf and apt-get install one...
[07:35] <windex|asleep> Razor-X, i'll go find a 9 year old in India to do it. Microsoft can, so can we.
[07:35] <deprave> well, if his kid is 9 years old, and i remember his server, that must mean *does the math, taking off his shoes* i need to leave!
[07:35] <asda> dd if=/dev/cdrom of=file.iso bs=1024
[07:35] <asda> dd: reading `/dev/cdrom': Input/output error
[07:35] <asda> 976+0 records in
[07:35] <asda> 976+0 records out
[07:35] <lunitik> rgould, failing that... just throw the ttf files into /usr/share/fonts
[07:35] <asda> hi can help me guys
[07:35] <PurpleMotion> deprave:  hey, m8, that was my server :) twas a cyrix 6x86 166mhz clocked to 250 w/128mb 70ns edo ram, runing freebsd 2.something i think
[07:35] <rgould> lunitik, just throwing the ttf into that directory will suffice?
[07:36] <lunitik> rgould, sure
[07:36] <windex|asleep> asda, ... are you trying to burn a cd?
[07:36] <orion> what types of server are u guys running?
[07:36] <rgould> lunitik, damn, I had been messing with the X fonts directory :) Should I restart Gnome?
[07:36] <Razor-X> deprave: there's a whole world out there waiting for you to WAN hijack into ;)
[07:36] <asda> yes
[07:36] <deprave> yeah i remember, i was a locop on hebron.*
[07:36] <asda> i'm burn on comand line
[07:36] <lunitik> asda, use 'cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc --data file.iso'
[07:36] <PurpleMotion> deprave:  i know with nobody logged in, that box had 13 running processes and held 2500 users :D
[07:36] <asda> and the err like ta
[07:37] <PurpleMotion> were you
[07:37] <windex|asleep> asda, what lunitik said. cdrecord should be able to figure out your drive settings.
[07:37] <Razor-X> I would love to sysadmin, but like I said, I doubt i'll ever have the time
[07:37] <PurpleMotion> you were a regular in one of the help channels, no?
[07:37] <deprave> Razor-X : sheeeit i come to irc for sanctuary, i've seen the world in ways the average human does not
[07:37] <deprave> yep
[07:37] <deprave> and you never offered an o:line, bastard
[07:37] <mebaran151> any of you ever tried FreeBSD
[07:37] <deprave> haha
[07:37] <deprave> jk
[07:37] <Razor-X> deprave: there are reasons I don't like the real world, reasons I won't elaborate here
[07:37] <asda> doh
[07:38] <PurpleMotion> bah, you know how much i got hounded for o:lines??
[07:38] <PurpleMotion> heh
[07:38] <lunitik> mebaran151, sure
[07:38] <asda> i wanna copy cd to cd sir
[07:38] <Arkubuntu> i tried freeBSD
[07:38] <asda> what command for tha
[07:38] <asda> ?
[07:38] <Arkubuntu> some problem?
[07:38] <Razor-X> ewww, BSD
[07:38] <asda> pls help me sir
[07:38] <PurpleMotion> not to mention i took on like 8 orphaned opers when the net went to shit
[07:38] <Razor-X> i'm such a BSD hater, I refuse to ps aux
[07:38] <lunitik> asda, man mkisofs
[07:38] <windex|asleep> asda, you have two cdroms?
[07:38] <asda> now
[07:38] <PurpleMotion> lol@Razor-X
[07:38] <asda> just one
[07:38] <mebaran151> I am going to try something that MIGHT not panic
[07:38] <deprave> Razor-X : heh igot back from Iraq a year ago, i'm enjoying not doing anything right now
[07:38] <mebaran151> this rig is so nice
[07:38] <lunitik> Razor-X, Linux contains a lot of BSD code... please refrain from disrespecting it, thanks
[07:39] <asda> i must go to work no and don't have time for read man
[07:39] <windex|asleep> asda, you can actually use dd to make an iso image.
[07:39] <deprave> PurpleMotion : yeah dalnet is complete crap
[07:39] <lunitik> Razor-X, BSD folks CREATES the interenet
[07:39] <Razor-X> deprave: ahhh, thanks for doing what most of us don't like to do ;)
[07:39] <lunitik> internet*
[07:39] <lunitik> CREATED*
[07:39] <asda> yeah
[07:39] <mebaran151> actually I am going to build my own distro!
[07:39] <rgould> lunitik, thanks - worked perfectly.
[07:39] <mebaran151> LFS
[07:39] <lunitik> wow... I can type
[07:39] <Razor-X> lunitik: that was navy folks, actually
[07:39] <asda> i use dd and get err
[07:39] <Razor-X> ;)
[07:39] <mebaran151> complete with unmake
[07:39] <deprave> <3 fbsd
[07:39] <windex|asleep> asda, but i have no idea why your command failed in that context
[07:39] <orion> as gw bush would say "Those Internets"
[07:39] <Arkubuntu> BSD is a very good O.S i use only BSD for a server
[07:39] <mebaran151> that will uninstall things that make
[07:39] <asda> dd if=/dev/cdrom of=file.iso bs=1024
[07:39] <asda> dd: reading `/dev/cdrom': Input/output error
[07:39] <asda> 1404+0 records in
[07:39] <asda> 1404+0 records out
[07:39] <asda> 1437696 bytes transferred in 54.320065 seconds (26467 bytes/sec)
[07:39] <asda> like that
[07:39] <windex|asleep> asda, the cd maybe has copy protection?
[07:39] <asda> so what's wrong
[07:39] <Razor-X> I just can't stand BSD, it gets me in a way few things do
[07:39] <PurpleMotion> yeah fbsd rocks for server stuff
[07:40] <benplaut> orion: :P
[07:40] <PurpleMotion> it's the best in fact
[07:40] <lunitik> asda, stop flooding
[07:40] <Razor-X> and that's why I don't even use ps aux
[07:40] <PurpleMotion> next to irix
[07:40] <orion> one person got it, ty benplaut
[07:40] <Razor-X> for server stup, it's cool, but for desktop use.., meh
[07:40] <PurpleMotion> but who can afford an sgi
[07:40] <asda> i'm not flood just paste
[07:40] <twysted> i run obsd for my router i like it alot
[07:40] <benplaut> :)
[07:40] <asda> flood not like the
[07:40] <lunitik> Razor-X, BSD makes you think less than some Linux distro's...
[07:40] <asda> that
[07:40] <PurpleMotion> hey orion
[07:40] <Razor-X> asda: more than three lines of pasting is considered floodinrg
[07:40] <PurpleMotion> that actually your name?
[07:40] <Arkubuntu> yes... BSD is just for a server... no for home use
[07:40] <Razor-X> lunitik: so?
[07:40] <orion> oh, no man its my alias online
[07:40] <Razor-X> I like the amount of thinking I do on my ZSH command-line
[07:40] <PurpleMotion> heh
[07:40] <twysted> lunitik: agreed i dont really have to do anything to maintain it its neat
[07:40] <PurpleMotion> right on
[07:40] <orion> :)
[07:40] <Arkubuntu> *not...
[07:41] <lunitik> Razor-X, so, stop disrespecting one of the best projects around, thanks
[07:41] <PurpleMotion> did u catch i said earlier, it's my sons name
[07:41] <windex|asleep> PurpleMotion, my name is really windex. really.
[07:41] <asda> dd if=/dev/cdrom of=file.iso bs=1024 <== this command is correct ??
[07:41] <Razor-X> lunitik: no, I won't
[07:41] <PurpleMotion> he gets complimented on it all the time, heh
[07:41] <orion> yeah, thats pretty sweet name
[07:41] <Razor-X> if I don't like something, I can express it
[07:41] <orion> oh, im sure
[07:41] <deprave> i use fbsd for name/web/mail etc, linux for desktop operations. there's nothing in stone written one or the other
[07:41] <Razor-X> same as people hate on emacs, and the like
[07:41] <Amaranth> PurpleMotion: Is your real name Mr. Purple Motion? :P
[07:41] <PurpleMotion> lol
[07:41] <lunitik> Razor-X, so, because you didn't choose to read the documentation, and you are above learning... BSD automatically sucks?
[07:41] <orion> dude im running ubuntu on my shit hole emac right now!!!!
[07:41] <PurpleMotion> no, but a simple /whois will reveal my real name
[07:41] <lunitik> Razor-X, because they don't embrace morons, it sucks?
[07:41] <Razor-X> lunitik: who said I didn't read the documentation?
[07:41] <Amaranth> BSD is off-topic for this channel
[07:42] <Amaranth> and so are _any_ arguments about it
[07:42] <Razor-X> lunitik: did I say that anywhere?
[07:42] <PurpleMotion> .o(01:41:50): * [PurpleMotion]  (~jay@cpe-24-26-139-222.columbus.res.rr.com): Jason F. Aristide III
[07:42] <Arkubuntu> BSD don't sucks... i think that is better than linux...
[07:42] <efigyidol> lo
[07:42] <deprave> screw x11 on fbsd
[07:42] <Amaranth> Razor-X, lunitik: ^
[07:42] <asda> anyone can help me
[07:42] <Amaranth> deprave: ^
[07:42] <twysted> asda apparently not
[07:42] <f_newton> Razor-X, I fear I must jump in on the side of BSD a big reason we still have unix derivs today
[07:42] <Amaranth> f_newton: ^
[07:42] <orion> omfg stop argueing about bsd
[07:42] <deprave> Amaranth : what? carrot?
[07:42] <f_newton> hmmm something tells me thats a warning of some kind
[07:42] <windex|asleep> vi vs emacs, bsd vs linux, religion vs not! today on #ubuntu? no.
[07:42] <raDeon> how come my music is distorted at high volumes under linux
[07:42] <Arkubuntu> is just,... mmm BSD is not so good for desktop operations... you know... flash support, shockwave...
[07:42] <Razor-X> deprave: look up
[07:42] <raDeon> and not on windows
[07:42] <gigaclon> I find that when I hold down the alt button and drag it moves the window
[07:43] <lunitik> Amaranth, sorry... I didn't bring it up... didn't even touch on the subject till he disrespected it...
[07:43] <Razor-X> windex|asleep: meh ;)
[07:43] <HrdwrBoB> gigaclon: correct
[07:43] <gigaclon> is there a way to turn that off
[07:43] <Razor-X> lunitik: it's dislike, not disrespect
[07:43] <Razor-X> those are two different things
[07:43] <HrdwrBoB> gigaclon: this is the feature that I can't live without
[07:43] <Amaranth> lunitik: Don't try to get the last word in, just drop it.
[07:43] <HrdwrBoB> gigaclon: why
[07:43] <Amaranth> Razor-X: You too.
[07:43] <benplaut> deprave: pretty much, stop talking about BSD
[07:43] <deprave> oh sorry Amaranth , i was peeing
[07:43] <PurpleMotion> PurpleMotion was one of the musicians in the demo group Future Crew.. He wrote the ScreamTracker software, which at the time, was by far and wide the best mod/s3m tracker in existance
[07:43] <orion> rofflecopter
[07:43] <PurpleMotion> hell, it might still be
[07:43] <lunitik> Amaranth, I am apologizing to you... not continuing the argument
[07:43] <efigyidol> raDeon: probably because windows and linux have different maximum output settings, and linux is outputting a clipped wave?
[07:44] <orion> is firetstarter a good firewall?
[07:44] <benplaut> yup
[07:44] <gigaclon> griddlers.net uses the alt and drag motion in their java applet
[07:44] <twysted> yes
[07:44] <benplaut> quite good
[07:44] <f_newton> firestarter is NOT a firewall
[07:44] <concept10> PurpleMotion, what platform?
[07:44] <orion> goody
[07:44] <efigyidol> can we please keep the BSD discussion out of the ubuntu chan?
[07:44] <orion> not a firewall wtF?
[07:44] <lunitik> orion, it does its job... pretty decent
[07:44] <f_newton> its an interface
[07:44] <benplaut> it's a GUI for IPtables
[07:44] <Razor-X> firestarter is a simple frontend to iptables, no?
[07:44] <Arkubuntu> if macromedia develop a plugin for BSD, i will be surfing with BSD
[07:44] <Amaranth> yes
[07:44] <f_newton> yes Razor-X
[07:44] <twysted> it does its job though either way
[07:44] <orion> firestarter is also a song by prodigy but no one cares
[07:44] <Amaranth> Arkubuntu: !
[07:44] <lunitik> f_newton, its a GUI front end to configure iptables/netfilter ... close enough
[07:44] <twysted> well im out guys thanks! :D
[07:44] <orion> have fun
[07:44] <lunitik> Arkubuntu, shut up about BSD
[07:44] <Razor-X> orion: no, nobody does ;)
[07:45] <PurpleMotion> concept10:  they started on amiga, then moved to x86... the demos they coded were for DOS, screamtracker was coded for DOS as well as for AmigaOS
[07:45] <eyequeue> and prodigy was also...
[07:45] <f_newton> well ok... my sock is a foot and a shoe too
[07:45] <orion> crazy
[07:45] <orion> nice one
[07:45] <orion> touche
[07:45] <efigyidol> iptables is great!
[07:45] <Arkubuntu> sorry man...
[07:45] <concept10> Amaranth, moderate dont show power, please.
[07:45] <Razor-X> I have too much on my ``List to learn'' already
[07:45] <orion> rofflecopter
[07:45] <orion> with bbqsauce
[07:45] <efigyidol> can someone please ask for help?
[07:46] <f_newton> lol concept10 one of the perks of power is getting to use it
[07:46] <lunitik> concept10, he showed no power... power would be kicking, banning, or quiting you
[07:46] <Amaranth> concept10: This isn't a democracy, I do whatever it takes to keep things on track.
[07:46] <lunitik> quieting*
[07:46] <benplaut> OK, how do i...
[07:46] <orion> concept im getting the feeling they dont like you
[07:46] <concept10> PurpleMotion, Okay.  I though C=64
[07:46] <benplaut> i'll think of something
[07:46] <raDeon> efigyidol, so what are you saying?
[07:46] <eyequeue> efigyidol:  i'm hungry, but no food handy, help
[07:46] <lunitik> Amaranth, ps, how the hell you get to be an op  ;)
[07:46] <orion> uh oh!
[07:46] <PurpleMotion> nah,t hey were amiga
[07:46] <f_newton> orion concept10 is a good linux dood from MY hood so....
[07:46] <Amaranth> I don't dislike anyone, I just don't like it when someone derails the channel with a BSD flame.
[07:46] <raDeon> i want my volume louder with it sounding good!
[07:46] <efigyidol> eyequeue: eat your keyboard!
[07:46] <PurpleMotion> but i think they might have done one or two c64 demos
[07:47] <orion> f_newton i know nothing about ubuntu, im suprised im able to host a website using apache lol
[07:47] <concept10> f_newton, What I mean is Just tell guys to stop arguing, no need to show power.  Thats my take.
[07:47] <Razor-X> it's awesome, but it my music sound crappy ;)
[07:47] <f_newton> orion until this morning I knew nothing about it either
[07:47] <efigyidol> raDeon: probably not possible, but you can try playing with different variations of pcm and master volume
[07:47] <eyequeue> efigyidol:  laptop, i'd probably get toxics in me too :)
[07:47] <Amaranth> lunitik: *shrug*
[07:47] <orion> i raped a mongoose
[07:47] <Amaranth> lunitik: I hopped on #ubuntu-meeting once and asked and they told me I already was on.
[07:47] <Amaranth> err, one
[07:47] <f_newton> yeah concept10 I know... but hey some days yer the spider some days yer the fly
[07:47] <Razor-X> orion: ok.....
[07:47] <orion> lol
[07:48] <concept10> f_newton, heh
[07:48] <lunitik> Amaranth, hmm... I should try that  :P
[07:48] <orion> rofflecopter
[07:48] <concept10> I guess im the fly today :)
[07:48] <orion> ur the only one who got that razor
[07:48] <Amaranth> concept10: The show of power is a threat to back up the words.
[07:48] <orion> oh noes
[07:48] <orion> they killed kenny
[07:48] <gigaclon> so is there a way to turn off that functionally of alt-drag?
[07:48] <efigyidol> eyequeue: Hmmm, perhapps just lick it to take your mind off being hungry till something consumable comes near
[07:48] <concept10> Amaranth, I mean no offense
[07:48] <lunitik> orion, you're lucky this isn't #debian... you'd get flamed for that ('ur')
[07:48] <Razor-X> well, I guess, mongooses... ;)
[07:48] <eyequeue> efigyidol:  lol
[07:48] <f_newton> Im the quiet kind of smash em with overpowering odds kinda person
[07:48] <orion> hahaha
[07:48] <f_newton> myself
[07:48] <Razor-X> woaha, thaat's crazy
[07:49] <Razor-X> s/craazy/crazy/
[07:49] <windex|asleep> using the term rofflecopter ought to incurr some kind of extreme mental anguish issued by a popup button on everyone elses machine who was forced to read it.
[07:49] <Razor-X> anti netspeak rules?
[07:49] <orion> i say we all go into #debian and all talk with shortcuts like ur then
[07:49] <Razor-X> orion: I don't use shortcuts
[07:49] <raDeon> i want to know why it isn't possible for me to have as high volume under linux as windows
[07:49] <transgress> efigyidol: yes
[07:49] <Razor-X> I learned quickly enough that abbreviations look bad, and make you sound stupid, and so I remedied my internet speech to reflect thus ;)
[07:49] <f_newton> well lunitik I am glad this is a derivative of debian but happy its not full of childish kids like the deb rooms are
[07:49] <orion> windows is full of hookers
[07:50] <Razor-X> but, I and hybrid_goth are working on RINNS
[07:50] <lunitik> raDeon, turn your sound up?  (alsamixer and gnome volume manager)
[07:50] <f_newton> well... scratch that... apparently there ARE some
[07:50] <Razor-X> RINNS Is Not NetSpeak
[07:50] <raDeon> it's actually good if i lower PCM a bit, but the volume control in XMMS controls PCM so i can't change the volume easily
[07:50] <raDeon> when listening to music
[07:50] <benplaut> i'm a childish kid! :)
[07:50] <raDeon> just PCM
[07:50] <orion> how old are u guys?
[07:50] <raDeon> very irritating
[07:50] <concept10> Amaranth, what I mean is warn the person, if they persist, then just wrap the tape around the mouth (mute)
[07:50] <lunitik> f_newton, I was joking... I was a regular there for more than 3 years
[07:50] <efigyidol> orion: I think thats hooks
[07:50] <benplaut> just barely a teen
[07:50] <Razor-X> a more effecient alternative to netspeak that will come with a client-side parser, so that speech is human-readable, plus it's actually effecient to abbreviate
[07:50] <Amaranth> concept10: That's not my style.
[07:50] <Razor-X> i'm 15, here
[07:50] <orion> benplaut same here
[07:50] <f_newton> well all that aside I wont hold it against you lunitik `
[07:50] <f_newton> lol
[07:50] <orion> razor same here
[07:50] <lunitik> f_newton, haha
[07:51] <efigyidol> raDeon:  try playing with different variations of pcm and master volume
[07:51] <Amaranth> concept10: My bark is worse than my bite, I'd rather show power and get them to comply than force them to comply with a +q
[07:51] <Razor-X> most of my frinds are ``OMG R U THR?!'' ;)
[07:51] <Razor-X> it sounds odd to them the way I talk
[07:51] <f_newton> debianites are worse then slackwareonians
[07:51] <benplaut> uuhhgg
[07:51] <concept10> Amaranth, Okay.  Thats cool.
[07:51] <lunitik> Amaranth, softy  :D
[07:51] <orion> that is sad razor-x
[07:51] <Razor-X> f_newton: are we Ubuntians?
[07:51] <Razor-X> (like Martians, Ubuntians)
[07:51] <orion> im a ubuntian!
[07:51] <deprave> i'm more of an ubunghole
[07:51] <Amaranth> /mode #ubuntu +b *!*@*
[07:51] <orion> nice one
[07:51] <Amaranth> err, oops
[07:51] <concept10> benplaut, use dishwasher
[07:52] <Madpilot> i thought it was Ubuntite?
[07:52] <f_newton> Im a fedorian tired of the constant breakage of a great os by meddling argumentative dev teams
[07:52] <lunitik> Amaranth, yeah, oops... heh
[07:52] <Razor-X> Ubuntian sounds better
[07:52] <orion> i thought it was San Diegon
[07:52] <benplaut> supposedly doing them by hand is good for me :(
[07:52] <concept10> f_newton, true statement
[07:52] <f_newton> yeah
[07:52] <eyequeue> lilo glined the network that way one day
[07:52] <Madpilot> benplaut: it's character building.
[07:52] <efigyidol> How about Ubbydubbies?
[07:52] <f_newton> and it was by accident that I chose to download ubuntu
[07:53] <f_newton> the name was keeping me away
[07:53] <orion> im a newbie knowing nothing about linux
[07:53] <f_newton> but the review said debian based
[07:53] <Razor-X> IRC has the side effect that tab-completion, and IRC style quoting is so reflexive, it carries over to PMs and IM/personal situations
[07:53] <efigyidol> We could have Ubuntitians
[07:53] <f_newton> and thats enough for me
[07:53] <concept10> lol @ character building with soapy hands
[07:53] <cafuego> Ubunwegians
[07:53] <Razor-X> Ubunscists
[07:53] <Sighkick> concept10 & PurpleMotion : I have tried to install isapnptools but apt-get can't find it.  It was suggested I look in the repository, which would be excellent if I knew where the repository was.  Is there anyone here that is not soley Plug 'n Play and can help a linux newbie in plain English?
[07:53] <orion> cafuego comes out of now where with the Ubunwegians
[07:53] <Razor-X> that sounds so cool ;)
[07:53] <efigyidol> Ubians?
[07:53] <concept10> Razor-X, you too?  I try to tab complete other words
[07:53] <eyequeue> Razor-X:  i'd probably attempt it on a typewriter
[07:53] <Amaranth> Razor-X: Aye, I often use this style when in a PM with someone. :)
[07:54] <Razor-X> concept10: hell yeah, after shell tab completion
[07:54] <Razor-X> I just quoted someone I was talking to in a PM
[07:54] <Razor-X> and yeah, meh
[07:54] <Razor-X>  /me is totally reflexive
[07:54] <efigyidol> Ubiuns
[07:54] <Madpilot> I was trying tab-complete while editing the Ubuntu wiki early today - no, it doesn't work there...
[07:54] <efigyidol> Ubuntans
[07:54] <Amaranth> Razor-X: gaim supports /me
[07:54] <Razor-X> I like Ubuncists
[07:54] <eyequeue> yeah, i use /me midsentence too
[07:54] <raDeon> how do i use file transfers with GAIM
[07:54] <Amaranth> Razor-X: in msn, aim, etc i mean
[07:54] <raDeon> Gaim
[07:54] <Razor-X> Amaranth: so does nAIM, but in nAIM, the receiver doesen't see it
[07:54] <Madpilot> Ubuntuians
[07:54] <lunitik> Madpilot, that should so be a bug  :P
[07:54] <efigyidol> Razor-X: reminds me of cancer
[07:54] <concept10> Razor-X, I wish tab complete could know my thoughts .. would save alot of keyboard banging
[07:54] <eyequeue> as a manner of speech
[07:54] <orion> Ubunscists is catchy got a ring to it
[07:55] <Razor-X> efigyidol: it is more contagious
[07:55] <f_newton>  yeah gaim
[07:55] <Razor-X> concept10: yeah ;)
[07:55] <cafuego> like Fascists
[07:55] <f_newton> but xchat for irc
[07:55] <efigyidol> lol
[07:55] <Razor-X> cafuego: exactly
[07:55] <Razor-X> ;)
[07:55] <eyequeue> efigyidol:  cancer?
[07:55] <bluefoxicy> http://data.4chan.org/b/src/1122959969096.jpg  XD
[07:55] <Madpilot> cafuego: :) not the image we want, I think...
[07:55] <Razor-X> Ubunscists!
[07:55] <efigyidol> eyequeue: Ubuncists
[07:55] <lunitik> cafuego, hey, you have the code for ubotu posted anywhere?
[07:55] <weirdcreep> im gay
[07:55] <eyequeue> efigyidol: ahh
[07:55] <cafuego> Madpilot: Do NOT contradict your leader!
[07:55] <Razor-X> Madpilot: I'm a totalitarian liberal believer ;)
[07:55] <f_newton> whats the usual flags for unpacking bz2 files?  I keep forgetting that
[07:55] <lunitik> cafuego, blootbot on its own is buggy for me  :(
[07:55] <Razor-X> this is a messed up oligarchy anyways, fascism isn't too bad ;)
[07:56] <efigyidol> lol@weirdcreep
[07:56] <concept10> !info isapnptools
[07:56] <ubotu> isapnptools: (ISA Plug-And-Play configuration utilities.), section universe/base, is extra. Version: 1.26-5 (hoary), Packaged size: 115 kB, Installed size: 272 kB
[07:56] <efigyidol> timing is everything
[07:56] <cafuego> lunitik: Indded, you need the cvs one and make it do a mysql_ping every now and then.
[07:56] <weirdcreep> i dont bind
[07:56] <weirdcreep> mind
[07:56] <Razor-X> don't hit me Mr. Mods!
[07:56] <orion>  hoary, what is that supposed to imply, when i saw that i was like damn i need this
[07:56] <Sighkick> k ..
[07:56] <Razor-X> weirdcreep: well, I do bind
[07:56] <Razor-X> ;)
[07:56] <orion> hoary = whorey?
[07:56] <weirdcreep> lol
[07:56] <Razor-X> my emacs is full of binds and shortcuts
[07:56] <brokenbox> haha
[07:56] <f_newton> hmm that bot is handy
[07:56] <brokenbox> whorey
[07:56] <Razor-X> if I go to another computer, the effeciency gap is crippling
[07:56] <concept10> Sighkick, update your repos
[07:56] <f_newton> yeah I gotz a gf a bit whorey
[07:56] <orion> oh noes
[07:56] <Razor-X> especially if I can't switch to Dvorak
[07:56] <f_newton> and man is she fun
[07:56] <lunitik> cafuego, all in the docs?  I know I was kinda rushing through the docs when I last tried to configure one...
[07:56] <orion> lol @ f_newton
[07:56] <f_newton> whoooohoooo!
[07:57] <Razor-X> then I can only do about 32 WPM
[07:57] <brokenbox> hey speaking of whores, anyone else have the problem where kaffeine crashes firefox all the time?
[07:57] <orion> only 32wpm
[07:57] <Razor-X> brokenbox: yeah, that's whoreish ;)
[07:57] <orion> wow that is no good
[07:57] <orion> 32wpm is nothing i mean that sucks total balls
[07:57] <Razor-X> orion: on QWERTY, yes
[07:57] <Sighkick> concept10, : I installed ubuntu yesterday and installed 90 megs of updates...is there more?
[07:57] <Razor-X> Dvorak, I can strum at 120 WPM max, a constant 100 WPM
[07:57] <Sighkick> and how do I do it?
[07:57] <efigyidol> Razor-X I read somwhere that Devorak is actually not the fastest.
[07:57] <Amaranth> on QWERTY i push 80 when i'm doing good
[07:57] <Razor-X> efigyidol: what's the fastest?
[07:57] <concept10> !repositories
[07:57] <lunitik> Razor-X, so why would you use WERTY?
[07:57] <ubotu> rumour has it, repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto, or repos
[07:58] <orion> on qwertyuiop i can rape at around 250 wpm
[07:58] <efigyidol> Razor-X something with all the bits in the right place.
[07:58] <Amaranth> dvorak is fastest but only if you never use someone else's system
[07:58] <f_newton> you betcha Sighkick
[07:58] <Razor-X> lunitik: if I was stuck on a QWERTY box, that's what I do
[07:58] <Razor-X> orion: i'll bet I can type ``aoeu id htns'' faster than you can ;)
[07:58] <Amaranth> switching between dvorak and qwerty has been shown to make you type slower with both
[07:58] <concept10> Sighkick, there you go.  and yes there are updates every now and then.
[07:58] <Sighkick> f-newton Ok.. so let me try and find the updates again..
[07:58] <orion> aoeu id htns
[07:58] <orion> huh
[07:58] <Amaranth> aoeuidhtns
[07:58] <Razor-X> Amaranth: on most systems, I find that I can switch to Dvorak no problem
[07:58] <orion> aoe id htns
[07:58] <orion> ??
[07:58] <orion> wtF?
[07:58] <orion> wtflus
[07:59] <orion> wtfluxlamobbqsauce!?!?!?
[07:59] <cafuego> using dvorak has been shown to make you a fashion victim, too
[07:59] <Razor-X> orion: that's the Dvorak home row
[07:59] <orion> dvorak wtf?
[07:59] <Amaranth> aoeui dhtns is the dvorak home row
[07:59] <Amaranth> yeah
[07:59] <deprave> !security
[07:59] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, deprave
[07:59] <brokenbox> or can anyone recommend a media player that works well with firefox and wont crash the shit out of it?
[07:59] <Razor-X> but, once I was configuring nVidia drivers for a frinde's X-less box
[07:59] <f_newton> dang my firefox just crashed
[07:59] <Amaranth> brokenbox: Language.
[07:59] <f_newton> that is a bad sign
[07:59] <deprave> !tell deprave about security
[07:59] <Amaranth> brokenbox: try mplayer
[07:59] <Razor-X> and I didn't really want to go through the pains of switching  keyboard layouts without xkb stuff
[07:59] <concept10> brokenbox, totem-xine
[07:59] <Sighkick> only new updates are gzip and unzip...loading them now :(
[07:59] <orion> if firefox crashes wow ur shitzoed
[07:59] <orion> i use toem
[07:59] <Amaranth> concept10: that's breezy
[07:59] <orion> totem
[08:00] <orion> totem rapes ur totem
[08:00] <Razor-X> i'm actually on Windows right now
[08:00] <concept10> Amaranth, huh?
[08:00] <orion> i would have to concur
[08:00] <brokenbox> haha
[08:00] <Razor-X> SSHing into a box which I can use if I'm stuck in these positions
[08:00] <deprave> are there any security issues with ubuntu and is there a security mailing list i can subscribe to?
[08:00] <Amaranth> Sighkick: hoary is stable, no more updates except security ones
[08:00] <orion> im on linux and 3 windows sytems right now
[08:00] <Razor-X> it has everything I need -- emacs, and LaTeX ;)
[08:00] <Razor-X> (everything I need for a portable system, rather)
[08:00] <orion> latex!?!?! wow windows is fulll of hookers
[08:00] <Amaranth> concept10: the totem mozilla plugin isn't in hoary
[08:00] <Razor-X> orion: notice the capitalization
[08:01] <Razor-X> LaTeX > j00 ;)
[08:01] <orion> SSSSSSHHHHHH!
[08:01] <Razor-X> and no, not the material LaTeX
[08:01] <Razor-X> orion: yes, i'm using SSH ;)
[08:01] <cafuego> deprave: yes, ubuntu-security-announce@lists.ubuntu.com
[08:01] <orion> i know
[08:01] <Amaranth> orion: it's a TeX editor
[08:01] <orion> sweet jesus
[08:01] <brokenbox> mplayer have a good plugin for firefox?
[08:01] <Amaranth> orion: for linux
[08:01] <orion> ok
[08:01] <Amaranth> brokenbox: no controls, it just plays
[08:01] <orion> what is SSH>
[08:01] <orion> ?
[08:01] <Razor-X> Amaranth: I doubt he'ld know what a TeX editor is
[08:01] <concept10> Amaranth, oh, I made a mistake, I meant mozilla-mpayer
[08:01] <weirdcreep> how do i install my webcam
[08:01] <Razor-X> orion: Secure Shell
[08:01] <cafuego> deprave: There may be a typo there; evolution is being retarded.. check the website to be sure.
[08:01] <Sighkick> Amaranth, : I have version 5.04 ...isnt that hoary ?
[08:01] <orion> what do you do with SSH?
[08:01] <Amaranth> Sighkick: yes
[08:01] <Razor-X> it allows you to access the command prompt of a remote box through a secure connection
[08:01] <orion> version 5.04 is WHOREY
[08:01] <Razor-X> and a whole lot of other things
[08:01] <orion> oh ok
[08:02] <orion> thats cool i guess
[08:02] <Sighkick> well I have that and its up to date 100%
[08:02] <Razor-X> (like tunneling connections)
[08:02] <cafuego> orion: Please eat your ritalin now.
[08:02] <Amaranth> Sighkick: no more updates unless it's for security
[08:02] <concept10> I found this great extension in firefox that allows you to choose your video player for embedded video
[08:02] <basit> hey, anyone using 2.6.12?
[08:02] <Razor-X> (which is very useful in situations where you want desktop access, and VLC is too slow, use XDMCP, and tunnel through SSH)
[08:02] <cafuego> basit: yes
[08:02] <orion> i dont use ritalin, thank you very much, that was a measly insult if meant to be one
[08:02] <Razor-X> s/VLC/VNC/
[08:02] <Amaranth> basit: on breezy, yes
[08:02] <loren> hey, what's up with ubuntu
[08:02] <Sighkick> ok.. so where do I find this isapnptools to get my isa sound card to work?
[08:02] <Razor-X> I always get the two confused, guh
[08:02] <brokenbox> what plugin is that concept10?
[08:02] <basit> Amaranth, how 'd i update to breezy?
[08:02] <bur[n] er> basit: don't do it, X is b0rked
[08:02] <Amaranth> basit: You don't if you enjoy using X.
[08:02] <Razor-X> and yes, I don't use ``lol'' either, most of my stuff constitutes of sounds that can be  imitated in the throat
[08:02] <deprave> !tell deprave about rosetta
[08:03] <Razor-X> in Breezy, X is totally messed up
[08:03] <deprave> useless bot
[08:03] <cafuego> orion: it was not supposed to be an insult, mate.
[08:03] <orion> roffle can be imitated in the throat
[08:03] <basit> Hmm
[08:03] <Sighkick> Amaranth: ok.. so where do I find this isapnptools to get my isa sound card to work?
[08:03] <basit> then what good it is ;-)
[08:03] <Razor-X> bur[n] er: how does it feel to be using the last name of a Supreme Court ex-nominee?
[08:03] <cafuego> orion: I was hoping it was your excuse.
[08:03] <Amaranth> Sighkick: never heard of it
[08:03] <concept10> brokenbox, its called Media player connectivity
[08:03] <Razor-X> it just makes me feel kind of weird ;)
[08:03] <orion> oh no cafuego im just having fun laughing at hardcore linux users
[08:03] <Razor-X> orion: like me? ;)
[08:04] <orion> :)
[08:04] <cafuego> orion: ... because you appear to only be trolling.
[08:04] <Razor-X> Windows gives me headaches, so, yeah
[08:04] <brokenbox> where can i find Media player connectivity concept10?
[08:04] <Amaranth> No more.
[08:04] <cafuego> Amaranth: thankyou!
[08:04] <Razor-X> ahh, woops there
[08:04] <Amaranth> cafuego: You're at fault too.
[08:04] <Razor-X> orion: rofl my waffle
[08:04] <concept10> brokenbox, let me find the link
[08:04] <Sighkick> Oh god...you get jerks in here too...
[08:04] <Madpilot> Stealth Mods - just when you thought it was safe to troll #ubuntu... <cue Jaws theme />
[08:05] <Amaranth> 15 minute timeout.
[08:05] <f_newton> Sighkick, just kids mostly
[08:05] <Amaranth> If you're good you can have milk and cookies later.
[08:05] <concept10> brokenbox, https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=446  ALL FIREFOX USERS CHECK THIS EXTENSION
[08:05] <brokenbox> awesome, thanks concept10
[08:06] <f_newton> linux is path of choice for techno kiddies not wanting to accept the status quo
[08:06] <Amaranth> ...
[08:06] <Amaranth> I'm getting sick of everyone trolling and flaming. Is it a full moon or something?
[08:06] <concept10> heh
[08:06] <efigyidol> f_newton: I use linux because it does stuff
[08:06] <Amaranth> efigyidol: Just don't.
[08:06] <Sighkick> Amaranth:  I am trying to get a Creative PnP ISA Vibra 16 sound card to go.  I don't know my way around linux yet, but am not entirely hopeless.  I have tried the cmd lspci and my isa card is NOT shown.  Device Manager doesnt show it and I have no idea how to search for new hardware... can u help?
[08:06] <Amaranth> Please.
[08:06] <GudyUbuntu> Si, sorry to bother, but is there some traceroute / tracert in ubuntu?
[08:07] <basit> kubunt isn't updated to 3.4.2 yet?
[08:07] <Amaranth> Sighkick: lspci is for pci devices :)
[08:07] <Amaranth> Sighkick: I dunno, I haven't used ISA since 1997 or so.
[08:07] <norhted> hi everyone, my creative 4+1 speaker system is working like normal 2-speaker. how can i enable it's full strength?
[08:07] <Sighkick> Amaranth, : so someone was trying to help but obviously not a guru
[08:07] <brokenbox> darn, its saying i dont have the newest ubuntu version of firefox. update manager wont let me retreive it
[08:07] <cafuego> Amaranth: I cany speak for others, but I have singlehandedly had enough coffee to keep all of Finland awake for 3 weeks ;-)
[08:08] <efigyidol> Sighkick: have you compiled a kernel before?
[08:08] <Razor-X> what did I do wrong?
[08:08] <Amaranth> Razor-X: It's done. Please just stop.
[08:08] <poningru> is there a folding ubuntu team?
[08:08] <Razor-X> Amaranth: well, I would like to know for future reference
[08:08] <concept10> Sighkick, sorry, Im not a guru, just a moronic figurine - Seriously, what is the problem.
[08:09] <basit> 3.4.2 breaks packages
[08:09] <Sighkick> Amaranth : so, do you suggest I give up or go the hard route and go to www.alsa-project.org?  No...never compiled anything other than basic and C about a million years ago
[08:09] <Amaranth> Sighkick: *shrug*, i have no idea
[08:09] <cafuego> howto: being on irc as root is not a good idea.
[08:09] <Razor-X> Sighkick: I don't think compiling ALSA will get you anything
[08:10] <brokenbox> my /usr/src is showing like 4 different kernel sources, can i just remove all except for what im running?
[08:10] <dvm> greeting, I'd like to install flash, in 5.04. I've searched for it through Synaptic, but no luck. Do I need to add any repositories?
[08:10] <Sighkick> Razor-X, : they do have sound card drivers and found one for the other card I have ESS1868F... but didnt know how to proceed
[08:10] <Razor-X> Sighkick: is it an ALSA patch, or Kernel patch or something?
[08:10] <efigyidol> Sighkick: have you looked on google?
[08:10] <Razor-X> I mean, do you know?
[08:10] <Madpilot> dvm: easiest way for me was thru Macromedia's website- they have a Linux Flash download
[08:10] <transgress> brokenbox: yes but use aptitude to remove them
[08:11] <Razor-X> Amaranth: really, I would like to know what I did wrong so that I do not repeat the mistake again
[08:11] <brokenbox> transgress, cool thanks,  Yeah i heard that aptitude is the only way to remove anything?
[08:11] <Amaranth> yay!
[08:11] <bob2> BSD is off-topic.  #ubuntu-offtopic.
[08:11] <brokenbox> properly at least
[08:11] <dvm> yeah, I've found a site that says to add this repository: ## Backports
[08:11] <dvm> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[08:11] <dvm> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[08:11] <transgress> dvm:  you need to add the multiverse repo
[08:11] <Amaranth> Razor-X: arguing with orion
[08:11] <Madpilot> !flash
[08:11] <ubotu> from memory, flash is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:11] <Sighkick> efigyidol, : not yet... will use my DQSD search on XP...    hey does that install on linux?
[08:11] <Amaranth> Razor-X: and making fun of him after he got +q'ed
[08:11] <Razor-X> brokenbox: it is, because when you remove something using aptitude, you remove the packages that stem off
[08:11] <Madpilot> dvm: see the URL that ubotu just posted, too
[08:11] <dvm> so this is a known good repository?
[08:12] <Razor-X> Amaranth: I never made fun of him
[08:12] <transgress> brokenbox: no that's not true... you can use apt-get, aptitude, synaptic, and dpkg... and rm... but aptitude keeps better track of shit
[08:12] <efigyidol> Sighkick: http://www.google.com/linux?hl=en&lr=&q=vibra16+isa+howto&btnG=Search
[08:12] <Sighkick> cheers efigyidol
[08:12] <Razor-X> I said ``rofl my waffle'' a funny quote from a friend because he used ``rofl' modifications
[08:12] <GudyUbuntu> anyone about my traceroute question ?
[08:12] <efigyidol> Sighkick: it's usually faster doing it yourself. Some purists might say that part of the fun of linux is figuring it out for yourself.
[08:12] <Razor-X> s/<\'\>/''/
[08:13] <norhted> is there anyone who uses 4+1 speakers in ubuntu?
[08:13] <Dr_Willis> norhted,  yes.
[08:13] <Dr_Willis> sound blaster audigy
[08:13] <Amaranth> 4.1 surround sound?
[08:13] <Sighkick> efigyidol, : yeah, I agree... was so impressed that ubuntu picked up my network and router, usb drive, nic etc...
[08:13] <norhted> Dr_Willis: great. i am using creative 4400
[08:14] <norhted> Dr_Willis: however only front 2 is working :(
[08:14] <Dr_Willis> you got to twiddle with the mixers i belive.
[08:14] <efigyidol> Sighkick, try learning debian (especially if you've never used linux before)
[08:14] <crimsun> norhted: have you adjusted Surround, Center, and LFE?
[08:14] <norhted> Amaranth : yes
[08:14] <Dr_Willis> install some of the other mixers also..
[08:14] <Dr_Willis> i tend to use the console based alsamixer.
[08:15] <Sighkick> efigyidol, : but I wondered how the Linux for Humanity would cope with none techno types trying to use older computers?
[08:15] <norhted> Dr_Willis: i am also using alsamixer, and
[08:15] <efigyidol> Sighkick: I suspect that the older computers part won't be a problem.
[08:16] <norhted> Dr_Willis: i can see sblive as my sound card
[08:16] <Sighkick> efigyidol: well I have proven that older sound cards will not be recognised...
[08:16] <crimsun> Sighkick: eh?
[08:16] <norhted> crimsun: what do you mean by adjusting?
[08:16] <kestas> anyone know how to use gdb here?
[08:16] <crimsun> Sighkick: did you load snd-sb16?
[08:17] <crimsun> norhted: unmuting and/or increasing their levels
[08:17] <kestas> I need to take a look at the stack segment, but cant find the gdb command to do it
[08:17] <norhted> crimsun: yes i did that
[08:17] <norhted> crimsun: however both bass and rear 2 is not working
[08:17] <bob2> kestas: ie the value of ESP?
[08:17] <kestas> bob2: Id like to get a look at the whole thing if possibly
[08:17] <deprave> bob2: hi
[08:18] <kestas> the whole segment up until the value of ESP
[08:18] <deprave> hi bob!
[08:18] <deprave> =D
[08:18] <kestas> or rather down until the value of ESP
[08:18] <bob2> deprave: hi
[08:18] <bob2> kestas: help registers?
[08:19] <norhted> Dr_Willis: can you use your speakers surround effect (i mean all of satelites)
[08:19] <Sighkick> crimsun, : sorry?  I just caught your comment... where /how do I load snd-sb16?
[08:19] <kestas> bob2: well the stack isnt stored in registers
[08:19] <Dr_Willis> norhted,  yes. :P with the right programs.
[08:19] <Dr_Willis> norhted,  or ya can mirror the front to the back
[08:19] <norhted> Dr_Willis: which is the right program?
[08:20] <Dr_Willis> norhted,  well for full 5.1 ya need somthing that knows what 5.1 is :P ie: xmms or similer..
[08:20] <crimsun> Sighkick: in a terminal, presuming you have the Vibra installed, type: sudo modprobe snd_sb16
[08:20] <efigyidol> Sighkick: I've had one of those running before, it was a while ago, just look at the documentation in that google search I gave you, if you don't understand something, search for that until you do. and keep going - I garuntee you will understand something when you're done ;-)
[08:20] <Dr_Willis> i just normally set the rear to mirror the front
[08:20] <GudyUbuntu> I found out why traceroute wasn't the right command, it's because it wasn't installed ... no idea why it's not with the default package ...
[08:21] <Sighkick> crimsun : now we're cookin' ... brb
[08:21] <floppyears> hi
[08:21] <norhted> Dr_Willis: but there is no option in XMMS to tell that i am using 4+1
[08:21] <floppyears> I'm getting an access denied on my ~/public_html folder
[08:21] <floppyears> the permisions of the folder are 755
[08:21] <cafuego> floppyears: What are the perms on it?
[08:21] <cafuego> floppyears: Whata re the perms on ~ ?
[08:21] <Sighkick> efigyidol : I will learn it all in good time... but this is only day one :)
[08:21] <AvatarofVirgo> How long does it take to get ubuntu cd's?
[08:21] <floppyears> drwxr-xr-x  12 jose jose 4.0K Jul 23 02:38 /home/jose/public_html/
[08:21] <crimsun> norhted: there is if you use ALSA directly and not esd
[08:22] <transgress> any beagle users in here?
[08:22] <floppyears> drwxr-x---  189 jose jose 12K Aug  1 23:17 /home/jose
[08:22] <cafuego> floppyears: ~ should be 711 at *least*
[08:22] <norhted> crimsun: ok, go on
[08:22] <transgress> AvatarofVirgo: it's not ... quick... to say the least
[08:22] <transgress> lok!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:22] <transgress> i don't know you
[08:22] <cafuego> floppyears: yeah, missing a 001 there
[08:22] <crimsun> norhted: for instance, if you use the ALSA output, specify the plug:surround40 device in the configuration.
[08:22] <Sighkick> AvatarofVirgo, : took 6 weeks to get mine, but I am in the antipodes...
[08:22] <floppyears> cafuego: thanks
[08:22] <cafuego> floppyears: if you don't  have o=x set, apache can't cd into it and access public_html
[08:22] <AvatarofVirgo> Might be quicker to download it, even with my dialup.
[08:23] <brokenbox> wow this sucks, i used aptitude to remove the kernel sources and install the newest firefox and it told me it was removing kdebase and kdecore
[08:23] <bob2> AvatarofVirgo: on the order of weeks
[08:23] <floppyears> cafuego: thanks a lot that worked
[08:23] <norhted> crimsun: and from where i can edit configuration for alsa?
[08:23] <crimsun> norhted: in the preferences
[08:23] <cafuego> floppyears: no, gald to be  of non-troll service.
[08:23] <floppyears> I forgot to check my ~ permissions
[08:23] <x_or> What command line software is there to do batch image resizing?
[08:23] <floppyears> cafuego: why does it work with the 001, I thought that it required 005
[08:24] <AvatarofVirgo> I guess I'll have to put up with suse for a few weeks longer.
[08:24] <norhted> crimsun: hmm i am activating the alsamixer screen by writing alsamixer to the command line
[08:24] <crimsun> norhted: no, this is within XMMS.
[08:24] <cafuego> floppyears: apache only needs x, not read on ~
[08:24] <norhted> crimsun: hmmm i see
[08:24] <dvm> ok, got it! thanks everyone :)
[08:24] <norhted> crimsun: trying
[08:24] <cafuego> floppyears: it's only accessign soemthing _under_ ~, not files IN ~
[08:25] <shaym> hello
[08:25] <shaym> is there one issue to locales under X
[08:25] <AvatarofVirgo> Does it have a pretty graphic when it's booting up?  Just wondering, not a big deal.
[08:26] <floppyears> cafuego: hmm, I guess my foundations on permissions are wrong :(
[08:26] <shaym> i haven't the same locale configured under console mode and X/Gnome
[08:26] <shaym> locales are well configured under console mode via dpkg-reconfigure locales
[08:26] <cafuego> floppyears: r is only needed if accessing a file in that dir; apache is just passing through ~ on the way to public_html, so x suffices.... basically.
[08:26] <Sighkick> crimsun :  FATAL: Error inserting snd_sb16........No such device... etc :(
[08:26] <f_newton> hey autopsy went to bed eh?
[08:27] <crimsun> Sighkick: which sound card is installeD?
[08:27] <cafuego> AvatarofVirgo: Nope, but you could always add one.
[08:27] <Sighkick> crimsun : creative sb16
[08:27] <AvatarofVirgo> And what's the partitioning like?  I have two hard drives, the 1st one has windows and suse on it and the second I have set as /home.  Can I install ubuntu over my suse partition and have it use /home?
[08:27] <crimsun> Sighkick: is plug n' play enabled?
[08:27] <norhted> crimsun: from preferences window i selected ALSA 1.2.10 output plugin (libALSA.so)
[08:27] <cafuego> AvatarofVirgo: yep
[08:27] <Sighkick> I have a box full of old ISA cards...
[08:27] <norhted> crimsun: from there i select configure
[08:27] <crimsun> norhted: and enter the correct device in the device box.
[08:28] <AvatarofVirgo> Does use the resier (or how ever you spell it) file system?
[08:28] <cafuego> AvatarofVirgo: it has an ncurses based frontend, pretty easy to tell it to use the suse aprt as /, format it, then mount /home on /home (and don't format)
[08:28] <Sighkick> think so... maybe I search thru my box for a more recent one...
[08:28] <cafuego> AvatarofVirgo: it CAN use reiser, but sane people don't.
[08:28] <norhted> crimsun: and i selected SoundBlasterLive
[08:28] <AvatarofVirgo> What's wrong with it?
[08:28] <Sighkick> crimsun, : sorry, will have to shut down to check ...
[08:28] <crimsun> norhted: no. You're supposed to change it.
[08:28] <cafuego> AvatarofVirgo: nowhere near as stable as ext3
[08:29] <AvatarofVirgo> Other then stable what are the other differances, I don't know that much about file systems.
[08:29] <AvatarofVirgo> ?
[08:29] <Phuzion> Hey, I have a question about screem, and compiling it.
[08:29] <Sighkick> Hey guys:  I think I will quit for the evening, its dinner time here in kiwi land.  Will check that Linux Sound Howto website....
[08:30] <cafuego> AvatarofVirgo: different design; but what you want in a filesystem is stability, trust me :-)
[08:30] <Sighkick> but.. b4 I go, can anyone tell me about root / password?  is that defaulted or do I have to set it?
[08:30] <Dr_Willis> Sighkick,  its in the FAQ ;P its the first users password
[08:30] <AvatarofVirgo> What happens if a storm nocks my power out, does it recover well?
[08:30] <Phuzion> When I try to ./configure it, it says this:
[08:30] <Dr_Willis> and you CANT login straight to root - by default
[08:30] <Phuzion> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[08:30] <Phuzion> See `config.log' for more details.
[08:30] <cafuego> Sighkick: use 'sudo' from your user account; no root account or password needed.
[08:31] <crimsun> Phuzion: install build-essential
[08:31] <Phuzion> build essential?
[08:31] <norhted> crimsun: yeah i changed it, to all possible audio devices
[08:31] <crimsun> no, build-essential
[08:31] <cafuego> AvatarofVirgo: ext3? yeah. Unless the heads actually crash into the platter.
[08:31] <crimsun> norhted: no, change it to plug:surround40
[08:31] <Phuzion> Where do I get it?
[08:31] <crimsun> norhted: type it in the box
[08:31] <cafuego> AvatarofVirgo: Then again, a physical crash would kill any FS
[08:31] <norhted> crimsun: hmmm i see
[08:31] <crimsun> Phuzion: via Synaptic
[08:31] <Phuzion> Alright
[08:32] <Sighkick> Dr_Willis and cafuego : I followed the instructions and set up myself as user with a pwd.. but never got asked for the root one... so wondered.  Know its not an area to mess in.....
[08:32] <norhted> crimsun: :(
[08:32] <AvatarofVirgo> Is there any faster way to get cd's?  I'm kind of impatient.
[08:33] <cafuego> Sighkick: That's correct, there isn't one. root is disabled by default on Ubuntu.
[08:33] <Sighkick> AvatarofVirgo, : have you anyone closer that may have it already or a better connection speed?
[08:33] <crimsun> norhted: what?
[08:33] <Burgundavia> Sighkick, see wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for more info
[08:33] <Xyc0> AvatarofVirgo: BitTorrent
[08:33] <cafuego> Sighkick: if you need to run a root command; type 'sudo <command>' as normal user, then type your OWN password.
[08:33] <crimsun> norhted: you have to adjust your mixer levels - did you do that?
[08:34] <floppyears> AvatarofVirgo: torrent
[08:34] <AvatarofVirgo> I have dialup.
[08:34] <cafuego> AvatarofVirgo: any friends with broadband?
[08:34] <floppyears> Sighkick: you have to use "sudo command" if you want to execute something as root
[08:34] <norhted> crimsun: in XMMS?
[08:34] <Sighkick> cafuego, Burgundavia : thanks... that old UNIX study from many moons ago is coming to the surface
[08:34] <crimsun> norhted: using alsamixer
[08:34] <cafuego> Sighkick: :-)
[08:34] <AvatarofVirgo> Not really, I live in area where I hate every one.  Don't ask.
[08:35] <Phuzion> crimsun, so I download Synaptic to get this build-essential thing?
[08:35] <Xyc0> AvatarofVirgo: Oh, then order them.  You can get like 10 at a time to give to friends
[08:35] <Sighkick> floppyears, : does that include any application / device installs ?
[08:35] <AvatarofVirgo> I've only lived here for about 5 years.
[08:35] <crimsun> Phuzion: you already have Synaptic. It's in System> Administration> Synaptic
[08:35] <AvatarofVirgo> I ordered some last night.
[08:35] <floppyears> Sighkick: I think so
[08:35] <cafuego> AvatarofVirgo: Then there's not a really a fast way.
[08:35] <Phuzion> Ahhhh
[08:35] <Phuzion> Thanks
[08:35] <cafuego> well, an overnight dialup download would work
[08:35] <Xyc0> AvatarofVirgo: You can also go to a lan cafe and download and burn it there
[08:36] <billytwowilly> so, mysqladmin won't let me create databases. I've edited /etc/mysql/my.cnf to have a password and the user msql but when I use mysqladmin -u mysql -p creat Mambo and put in the password it doesn't let me create the database
[08:37] <floppyears> billytwowilly: try "sudo mysql"
[08:37] <AvatarofVirgo> I guess I can wait for it.  The quality of the cd's will be better then burned cd's.  I noticed cd-r's tend to scratch easy and don't last as long.
[08:37] <cafuego> AvatarofVirgo: Well, you really only need 'em once.
[08:37] <Xyc0> AvatarofVirgo: the only problem with that is I think they are holding off to ship untill breezy is released
[08:37] <toad3030> there anybody that can help me install all-20050412.tar.bz2  it is a codex file for totem
[08:37] <Madpilot> heh - just switched back the default Hoary "Human" Gnome theme - I'd forgotten how very *brown* it is...
[08:37] <pudland> cafuego: what was the command you gave me earlier to install java?
[08:38] <poningru> Madpilot: I hate that brown
[08:38] <cafuego> pudland: 'sudo apt-get install java-package'
[08:38] <benplaut> !java
[08:38] <billytwowilly> floppyears, yah, that doesn't work either. doesn't accept my password for some reason. I restarted mysql after changing the my.cnf file too. could it be the debian.cnf file in the mysql dir that is fuxoring it up?
[08:38] <ubotu> somebody said java was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[08:38] <poningru> wished it were more pretty
[08:38] <AvatarofVirgo> I was just on there site and it said October.
[08:38] <Phuzion> crimsun, is there any other essential packages I should get?
[08:38] <f_newton> toad that is a wincodecfile for xine/mplayer not totem
[08:38] <cafuego> pudland: That won't actually install java yet, though.
[08:38] <pudland> add my psswrd at the end of that?
[08:38] <Xyc0> AvatarofVirgo: Are you willing to wait that long?
[08:38] <pudland> oh
[08:38] <Madpilot> poningru: I'm planning on doing some screenshots for the U wiki, so I need to go back to the brown...
[08:38] <toad3030> hmm...must have read wrong then
[08:38] <poningru> ah
[08:38] <cafuego> pudland: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java  <-- that will explain it all.
[08:38] <pudland> i dl's the jre package
[08:39] <AvatarofVirgo> I guess I better get downloading, I'll still get the cd's in the mail any way.
[08:39] <poningru> hmm sounds like a good idea
[08:39] <poningru> I might do that too
[08:39] <toad3030> anyway, i need to get my totem to read dvd's any help with that?
[08:39] <pudland> ok
[08:39] <pudland> ill read
[08:39] <poningru> ubotu: tell toad3030 about restrictedformats
[08:39] <cafuego> Amaranth: I wonder if there IS a full moon tomight, my cats are weird, too.
[08:39] <poningru> goomnam hey koyee
[08:39] <Sighkick> one final question....  I always have trouble finding the link to the ubuntu forum (for help etc)... is it just me or is the link hard to find?
[08:39] <poningru> read in hindi
[08:39] <shaym> do you know one good tool to capture X streams to swf2 ?
[08:40] <AvatarofVirgo> Is it just one cd iso?  Because that should take about oh 3 days on dialup.
[08:40] <poningru> Sighkick: google keyword: ubuntuforums
[08:40] <cafuego> Sighkick: wiki.ubuntu.com or here, on irc.
[08:40] <Sighkick> K
[08:40] <floppyears> billytwowilly: hmm, I would then ask in #mysql
[08:40] <cafuego> AvatarofVirgo: Yeah, just one cd for the base. You can add stuff later (there is an entire DVD worth of stuff online)
[08:40] <cafuego> (dual-layer dvd at that)
[08:40] <Sighkick> AvatarofVirgo, : yes its one ISO...
[08:41] <f_newton> AvatarofVirgo, yer gonna get the cds in the mail before you finish downloading the install iso then installing the rest of the os from thenet
[08:41] <Madpilot> AvatarofVirgo: unless you want the LiveCD as well - that's a 2nd seperate ISO
[08:41] <Sighkick> LOL... the updates are 90 megs!!!
[08:42] <AvatarofVirgo> How many different disk do I get in the mail?
[08:42] <f_newton> the live cd is for running the os from a cdrom to check out whether you like it without destroying your current installation
[08:42] <Sighkick> AvatarofVirgo, : as many as you need...
[08:42] <Amaranth> cafuego: Moon Phase: Waning Crescent, 7% of moon illuminated
[08:42] <f_newton> the install iso is base packages etc but you will still need to finish the installation via the net
[08:42] <AvatarofVirgo> I know I'm getting 19 copies.
[08:42] <AvatarofVirgo> I mean 10...
[08:42] <Madpilot> AvatarofVirgo: however many you ordered - each set is 2 discs - Install & LiveCD
[08:42] <cafuego> Amaranth: Well well...
[08:43] <f_newton> in your case AvatarofVirgo you need to get the cd set from snail mail or someone in your LUG
[08:43] <AvatarofVirgo> It's to bad they don't put all there stuff on disk, they may have a lot of stuff I want that's not on the disk and it would be a pain having to download them.
[08:43] <pc19>  im new to ubuntu. how do i access root? how do i put root password
[08:43] <Sighkick> AvatarofVirgo, : where abouts are you?  Someone in the same neighbourhood might have already received a pack of ten to share...thats the idea of getting a lot
[08:43] <AvatarofVirgo> I live north of Austin.
[08:43] <Madpilot> !sudo
[08:44] <ubotu> I guess sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:44] <Madpilot> pc19: see ubotu's URL above ^^^
[08:44] <cafuego> pc19: You don't, there is no need. Ubuntu is set up to use 'sudo'.
[08:44] <pc19> thanks
[08:44] <f_newton> AvatarofVirgo, I live in Dallas... maybe we can work something out
[08:44] <Sighkick> AvatarofVirgo, : we had someone join just a while ago from TX
[08:44] <f_newton> there are a lot of linux users in texas and on freenode
[08:45] <AvatarofVirgo> f_newton: What do you have in mind?
[08:45] <f_newton> well do you have a wifi card ?
[08:45] <AvatarofVirgo> No.
[08:45] <f_newton> I can find you a wifi cafe that will give you free access for one thing
[08:45] <f_newton> hmmmm
[08:45] <AvatarofVirgo> I have a desktop that's it.
[08:45] <Sighkick> AvatarofVirgo, : the idea of getting more than one CD is to share... I have 8 copies still to give out... most ppl can do the same
[08:45] <AvatarofVirgo> Old ass emachine from best buy.
[08:46] <f_newton> ok... AvatarofVirgo what kind of box is it?
[08:46] <f_newton> is there no complete cd set of ubuntu?
[08:46] <AvatarofVirgo> Celeron 600 mhz, 256 mb ram.
[08:46] <f_newton> AvatarofVirgo, thats what my laptop is
[08:46] <f_newton> and it runs great on it too
[08:47] <AvatarofVirgo> 10 gb hard drive with a 10 year old 16 gb hd I pulled out of some older computer.
[08:47] <f_newton> AvatarofVirgo, that sounds like a dell
[08:47] <Sighkick> this is a K6 2/500 with 128 and it also works fine
[08:47] <f_newton> my home box is a bit... different but its not 64 bit
[08:48] <pc19> i didnt set anypassword yet
[08:48] <AvatarofVirgo> My secondary hd I had since aol 3.0 and it's still kicking.
[08:48] <pc19> what do i do?
[08:48] <Madpilot> pc19: you set your user pass during install
[08:48] <f_newton> well AvatarofVirgo I am tring to figure out how to get a default packages install w/ updates for you...
[08:48] <AvatarofVirgo> It only had about 64 or so ram when I got it, the ram cant be upgraded any more.
[08:49] <f_newton> well none of that matters for installation
[08:49] <Sighkick> dinner time...nite all...
[08:49] <AvatarofVirgo> I was just saying.
[08:49] <f_newton> we need tol figure out a way to get you installed
[08:49] <AvatarofVirgo> I know.
[08:49] <pc19> thanks
[08:50] <f_newton> I am going to research that a bit
[08:50] <AvatarofVirgo> How would I figure out if any one in my area has any disk?
[08:50] <AvatarofVirgo> I would say mail me a set but that would cost stamps.
[08:51] <f_newton> AvatarofVirgo, look up your local LUG, linux users group
[08:52] <f_newton> AvatarofVirgo, thats not a big deal
[08:52] <f_newton> lol
[08:52] <f_newton> not from Dallas
[08:52] <AvatarofVirgo> I know.
[08:52] <AvatarofVirgo> Give me a moment.
[08:52] <f_newton> but... thats not the problem
[08:52] <f_newton> the problem is how to get you a complete usable install without the internet
[08:52] <f_newton> dial up will take you a week
[08:52] <norhted> crimsun: first i enabled the rear satellites but at that moment i lost front satellites...an now i just have the rear right one...
[08:52] <norhted> crimsun: i increased and decreased everything in alsamixer
[08:52] <efigyidol> my system gets very laggy if any processor intensive activities are going on, generally I have xchat firefox and bmp open (and playing) can I tweak my resource management somehow?
[08:53] <AvatarofVirgo> What's the default install from just the disk provide?
[08:53] <pc19> how do i instal firefox?
[08:53] <anacron> pc19: sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[08:53] <Madpilot> pc19: it's already installed in Ubuntu
[08:53] <AvatarofVirgo> I don't use my system for that much stuff.  As long as I can get online, read email chat on aim, play music burn music.  Little stuff like that I'm good.
[08:54] <anacron> AvatarofVirgo: lucky you, i need to do same stuff what i can do with windows
[08:54] <Phuzion> crimsun, can you help me out a little more/
[08:54] <pc19> being a beginner is cool here in ubuntu
[08:54] <Phuzion> ?
[08:54] <efigyidol> AvatarofVirgo: that will provide everything you need
[08:55] <norhted> crimsun: anyway, i have more important things to deal with other than sound, thanks
[08:55] <anacron> pc19: what's so cool beeing noob? :D
[08:55] <lok> AvatarofVirgo, well it provide you firefox, evolution(mail client), gaim(for aim), rhythmbox(music player), nautilus-burn
[08:55] <AvatarofVirgo> Sweet!
[08:55] <pc19> becoz u help
[08:55] <pc19> hehehehe
[08:55] <anacron> so it's cool being noob when others help you :D
[08:56] <AvatarofVirgo> I'm getting used to Gnome now, I'm in the process of using YAST on suse to remove kde.
[08:56] <Madpilot> anacron: there are some channels where noob = lunch, I gather...
[08:56] <Sonderblade> what does ubuntu use instead of FAM?
[08:56] <pc19> well in return i can help other noobs
[08:56] <anacron> Madpilot: i know, but that doesn't make noob anyhow cool
[08:56] <AvatarofVirgo> I had to set it to use gdm instead of kdm.  When I forgot to do that and rebooted after removing kde it started up in windowmaker and I freaked out.
[08:56] <Madpilot> anacron: true, but at least here we don't savage the poor creatures
[08:57] <f_newton> is this going to become infected with l33t losers?
[08:57] <benplaut> !yawn
[08:57] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, benplaut
[08:57] <pc19> all begin with a single step
[08:57] <anacron> Madpilot: yeah, otherwise i wouldn't use ubuntu
[08:58] <yaya> I have my wireless setup, but everytime I boot I have to dhclient, how can I add wlan0 to my default dhclient at boot?
[08:58] <yaya> it doesn't automatically try to fetch an ip for my wireless, only for my lan
[08:58] <AvatarofVirgo> I take it ubuntu works fine on most IBM thinkpads?
[08:59] <AvatarofVirgo> When I get a notebook I may be going with IBM.
[08:59] <hyphenated> AvatarofVirgo: the important thing is whether it works on yours :-)
[08:59] <AvatarofVirgo> My notebook or my desktop?
[08:59] <AvatarofVirgo> I don't have a notebook.
[08:59] <hyphenated> I didn't like the last IBM laptop I saw. 'twas rather ugly
[09:00] <AvatarofVirgo> I don't care how it looks I care that it works.
[09:00] <anacron> AvatarofVirgo: if you wan't to help ubuntu, then buy a laptop what you really wan't to buy, not ibm
[09:00] <AvatarofVirgo> Ok, where can I get some really cheap ones at?
[09:01] <Dr_Willis> I got a Cheap Compaq V3211us
[09:01] <Dr_Willis> about $500 or so :P
[09:01] <Dr_Willis> after rebates
[09:01] <AvatarofVirgo> What site?
[09:01] <AvatarofVirgo> Never mind.
[09:01] <AvatarofVirgo> I hate damn rebates.
[09:01] <Dr_Willis> got it at Bestbuy :
[09:01] <AvatarofVirgo> Those things are evil.
[09:01] <Dr_Willis> oh wah.. cant spend 5 min- to get back $200
[09:02] <Dr_Willis> poor thing. :P
[09:02] <AvatarofVirgo> Ae hell, I hate best buy.  I don't shop there any more.
[09:02] <Dr_Willis> Heh - best buy has been very good to me..
[09:02] <Dr_Willis> actually their price was 200 BELOW the Hp.com sites price.. then they had the rebates.
[09:02] <Poromies> I've been quite happy with my Acer Aspire 5024WLMi, everything works great with linux (though one needs to get kernel ..6.12 to get the chipset and DMA fully working), price is somewhere around 1100 or so
[09:02] <billytwowilly> why is mysql so broken in ubuntu?
[09:02] <Dr_Willis> that laptop has less then perfect linux support at the moment however.
[09:02] <AvatarofVirgo> It's not a matter of time, it's a matter of ops we didn't get in the mail so you don't get your money.
[09:02] <Dr_Willis> :P
[09:03] <Dr_Willis> AvatarofVirgo,  last time - i got the rebates twice. :P
[09:03] <Dr_Willis> they also frogot to ring up the docking station...  $200 mistake they made.
[09:04] <Dr_Willis> i dident even notice till 2 months later.
[09:04] <pc19> what abt java plug in? whats the name of the package to apt get
[09:04] <AvatarofVirgo> Most of the time I did to, but I'd rather not gamble with my money with retard rebates, I just assume get the same thing some where else with out the rebate and not have my time wasted by a marketing scam.
[09:04] <cafuego> !java
[09:04] <ubotu> rumour has it, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[09:04] <cafuego> pc19: Chekc the url ubotu just said
[09:05] <AvatarofVirgo> Often times I been finding just as good hard where for a fraction of the price (even after there rebates) from online sites.
[09:05] <anacron> i did make new partition yesterday, now do i have to mount it to make it work? and how can i chech which one it is in /dev/hd*
[09:05] <AvatarofVirgo> newegg has some good stuff for low prices.
[09:05] <Dr_Willis> welli heard that Hp.com had the same thing cheaper.. when i checked . the local store beat them by a good $150 or so,
[09:06] <pc19> E: Couldn't find package sun-j2re1.5
[09:06] <Dr_Willis> but really for a Linux laptop - it pays to do some research and NOT get the 'newest' thing out.
[09:06] <AvatarofVirgo> Yeah.
[09:06] <Dr_Willis> my Emachine 6800 had fairly decent linux support.
[09:06] <Dr_Willis> but egads   it was huge...
[09:06] <Dr_Willis> decent for games :P
[09:07] <Dr_Willis> sucked for battery life.
[09:07] <AvatarofVirgo> I don't need the the newest thing but it would be nice to have at least 1 hz or higher cpu with 512 ram.
[09:07] <Madpilot> !tell pc19 about repos
[09:07] <AvatarofVirgo> I mean ghz.
[09:07] <AvatarofVirgo> Ops.
[09:07] <Dr_Willis> this CompaqV3211 has that Turion CPU at 1.6 ghz.
[09:07] <Madpilot> pc19: ubotu will have just sent you a msg - that's what you need to do to find the JRE package
[09:08] <Dr_Willis> oops V2311us
[09:08] <pc19> ok
[09:08] <Dr_Willis> but for a linux laptop - i cant recommend it - yet.
[09:08] <Dr_Willis> for a CHEAP laptop for the kids to take to school/college to do homework.. :P yes.
[09:09] <Dr_Willis> night all
[09:09] <f_newton> Dr_Willis, this dell inspiron 3800 with a 600 celeron and 256 meg and 10gig hdd does really well with most linux distros
[09:10] <AvatarofVirgo> I'd like to get a cheap lap top with a wifi card, I'm not that concern with cd/dvd conbo's.  I just assume use wifi, usb drives, or some othe form of network access.  I'd like to avoid using removable media.
[09:10] <AvatarofVirgo> Good night Dr_Willis.
[09:12] <weirdcreep> how do iget svn
[09:12] <Amaranth> !info subversion
[09:12] <ubotu> subversion: (Advanced version control system (aka. svn)), section devel, is optional. Version: 1.1.1-2ubuntu3 (hoary), Packaged size: 953 kB, Installed size: 3072 kB
[09:12] <weirdcreep> !info subversion
[09:12] <Amaranth> ack, don't do it again
[09:12] <weirdcreep> lol
[09:13] <Amaranth> install the subversion package
[09:13] <AvatarofVirgo> ACER AS3002LCi NoteBook Mobile Sempron AMD2800+ 15.0" XGA 256MB DDR333 40GB 4200rpm DVD/CD-RW Combo SiS Mirage 2 - Retail  $629.00
[09:13] <AvatarofVirgo> Does that work?
[09:14] <AvatarofVirgo> Or are there sites with any thing cheaper?
[09:14] <f_newton> AvatarofVirgo, i think you can find a better laptop for around the same money dude
[09:14] <f_newton> acer is not your most uh reliable brand
[09:14] <Amaranth> AvatarofVirgo: You get what you pay for.
[09:14] <AvatarofVirgo> What is a reliable brand?
[09:16] <AvatarofVirgo> I've never had a notebook, so some good advice would be helpful.
[09:16] <f_newton> AvatarofVirgo, you can get, for example, a completely refurbished or new dell 1 gig laptop for under 500\
[09:16] <AvatarofVirgo> On the dell site or from a 3rd source?
[09:16] <f_newton> third party source... or ebay sellers with lotz of stars
[09:16] <f_newton> AvatarofVirgo, you live near one of the best dell outlet stores on the planet
[09:16] <f_newton> you in round rock area?
[09:16] <AvatarofVirgo> Cedar Park.
[09:16] <f_newton> know where round rock is?
[09:16] <AvatarofVirgo> Yeah.
[09:16] <f_newton> thats dell
[09:17] <AvatarofVirgo> Cool.
[09:17] <AvatarofVirgo> All this time and it was right there.
[09:17] <f_newton> now... I would look on the net if I were you..do a search for decent brands you can depend on like ibm toshiba or dell
[09:17] <benplaut> go for an IBM
[09:17] <benplaut> (or, now, Lenovo)
[09:17] <AvatarofVirgo> IBM had some used ones on there site, I saw one in there in the $500's.
[09:17] <benplaut> !thinkpad
[09:17] <ubotu> benplaut: I haven't a clue
[09:18] <nox> fujitsu is great too.
[09:18] <f_newton> new ibms are made in china ...  I would not get a new ibm
[09:18] <f_newton> no telling what kind of hardware you are gonna get
[09:18] <benplaut> i don't think they're made there yet
[09:18] <f_newton> been for three years
[09:18] <benplaut> ?!
[09:18] <benplaut> well, mine is just safe, then :)
[09:18] <f_newton> before that I would recommend ibm first and foremost
[09:19] <f_newton> and the chinese build a good product
[09:19] <f_newton> its just that you cant depend on what periphriels they may use
[09:19] <f_newton> and they cheat a lot
[09:19] <Burgundavia> f_newton, the old ibms were also made in china. Nothing much has changed
[09:20] <benplaut> he
[09:20] <benplaut> here you go, hot off the woot!
[09:20] <benplaut> http://www.woot.com/
[09:20] <f_newton> uh my ibm was NOT made in china
[09:20] <Burgundavia> some are made in Mexico
[09:20] <ompaul> a note for anyone interested restoring desktop icons - ps auwx | grep bono and kill -9 that process
[09:20] <rendi> sudo umount floppy
[09:20] <rendi> umount: /home/admin/Desktop/floppy: device is busy
[09:20] <f_newton> but ibm controlled the parts that went inside now there is no such control
[09:20] <rendi> help me anyone
[09:20] <rendi> how to umount da
[09:20] <AvatarofVirgo> It could be worst it could have been made in antartica.
[09:21] <Burgundavia> f_newton, nothing much is going to change. Anyway, this is totally offtopicd
[09:21] <f_newton> yeah it is off topic...
[09:21] <f_newton> do some research AvatarofVirgo before you buy
[09:21] <AvatarofVirgo> I'm on the dell site now, I haven't found any used ones yet.
[09:23] <f_newton> not on the dell site you wont
[09:23] <AvatarofVirgo> Oh.
[09:23] <f_newton> they try to sell new stuff there but dell has a 30 day return policy and once it is returned it cant be sold as new anymore
[09:23] <ompaul> rendi, you have some terminal open with cd /media/floppy0 in it ? if so cd / and then umount if not you can risk corrupting the disk with umount -f /media/floppy0
[09:23] <f_newton> they send them to outlets
[09:23] <rendi> ok i'l try
[09:23] <AvatarofVirgo> Holly crap.
[09:23] <ompaul> holly the bush?
[09:23] <AvatarofVirgo> IBM Certified Used Notebook T21 (8AU)
[09:23] <AvatarofVirgo>                                                                                                                                       Sale price*<font size="3">                                                                                                   </font>
[09:23] <AvatarofVirgo> <font size="3">                $481.50                 </font>
[09:23] <AvatarofVirgo> Ops.
[09:23] <AvatarofVirgo> Sorry.
[09:23] <AvatarofVirgo> Hold on.
[09:23] <benplaut> go to www.woot.com
[09:23] <AvatarofVirgo> http://www-132.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=8586356&storeId=1&langId=-1&categoryId=2576396&dualCurrId=73&catalogId=-840
[09:24] <AvatarofVirgo> Ok.
[09:24] <benplaut> they have a t22 for 405 shipped
[09:24] <benplaut> tonight only, so jump on it!
[09:24] <rendi> wha tabout this
[09:24] <rendi> umount: /dev/fd0 mount disagrees with the fstab
[09:24] <rendi> doh
[09:24] <PurpleMotion> Hai, fsckers!
[09:24] <ompaul> rendi, do this 'mount' and what does it say about what ever your doing
[09:25] <rendi> okay i got this
[09:25] <rendi> /dev/fd0 on /home/admin/Desktop/floppy type vfat (rw)
[09:25] <PurpleMotion> why in gods name would you mount it inside your home dir?
[09:25] <PurpleMotion> try /dev/fd0 on /mnt/floppy type vfat (rw)
[09:26] <rendi> ?
[09:26] <ompaul> rendi, that is not good :) umount -f /home/admin/Desktop/floppy
[09:26] <rendi> with umount
[09:26] <rendi> any suggest ??
[09:26] <PurpleMotion> umount /dev/fd0 && mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy
[09:26] <PurpleMotion> that'll fix you
[09:26] <rendi> i'm try now
[09:27] <f_newton> AvatarofVirgo, that one would be perfect for you
[09:27] <PurpleMotion> make sure you dont have it open when you umount
[09:27] <AvatarofVirgo> The one I listed?
[09:27] <rendi> same trouble
[09:27] <rendi> $ umount /dev/fd0 && mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 floppy
[09:27] <rendi> umount: /dev/fd0 mount disagrees with the fstab
[09:27] <f_newton> the one benp
[09:27] <rendi> heheh
[09:27] <f_newton> argh the one benplaut listed
[09:27] <AvatarofVirgo> Oh, ok.
[09:28] <yaya> how do I add a timeout to my lan card trying to get an ipaddress at boot?
[09:28] <PurpleMotion> damndamn that's not a bad little laptop
[09:28] <PurpleMotion> rendi:  sudo pico /etc/fstab
[09:28] <PurpleMotion> and change it to /mnt/floppy
[09:28] <PurpleMotion> and set type to vfat
[09:28] <benplaut> it's a great deal, aswell
[09:28] <PurpleMotion> or auto would be even better
[09:29] <PurpleMotion> that way you could put any kind of formatted floppy in..
[09:29] <benplaut> but it'll be gone soon, so order now, or forever hold your peices
[09:29] <seife`> Hi need help
[09:29] <PurpleMotion> then you control it with: mount /dev/fd0
[09:29] <benplaut> Hi will help
[09:29] <f_newton> benplaut, there will be more
[09:29] <seife`> I would like to know what this font is http://www.osnews.com/img/8398/ubuntu.png? and how to get it.
[09:29] <nox> PurpleMotion, you managed to play mp4 files already?
[09:29] <PurpleMotion> or: mount /mnt/floppy
[09:29] <PurpleMotion> nox: hell no
[09:29] <benplaut> f_newton: do you know how woot operates?
[09:29] <PurpleMotion> and im pissed about it, but i can just share the file and watch it in the living room :D
[09:30] <PurpleMotion> so screw it, it's not worth that kind of energy
[09:30] <rendi> i have done
[09:30] <rendi> with this
[09:30] <PurpleMotion> i think it might be the format of the files
[09:30] <seife`> Is anyone answering my question?
[09:30] <rendi> see my fstab
[09:30] <rendi> /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[09:30] <PurpleMotion> there ya go
[09:30] <seife`> hello?
[09:30] <f_newton> not really but I see them all over the web... there is a guy using one of my web sites to save the pics for his ebay offering www.americanwanderer.com  I think he wants about 4 for that one
[09:30] <benplaut> seife`: the pic is loading... a sec
[09:31] <PurpleMotion> now you can: mount /media/floppy0 -or- mount /dev/fd0
[09:31] <PurpleMotion> and umount either as well
[09:31] <f_newton> personally I prefer dells but I do like ibms
[09:31] <Seveas> seife`, that looks like the standard font....
[09:31] <benplaut> seife`: it would appear to simply be Sans
[09:31] <seife`> ok, whats the standard one in Ubuntu?
[09:31] <benplaut> Sans
[09:32] <seife`> ok
[09:32] <seife`> what size?
[09:32] <benplaut> umm
[09:32] <rendi> before thta i cd to Desktop and do this
[09:32] <rendi> umount -t vfat /dev/fd0 floppy
[09:32] <benplaut> 10?
[09:32] <rendi> and now can't umount
[09:32] <Seveas> seife`, http://ubuntulinux.nl/~dennis/screenshot.png
[09:32] <Madpilot> 10 point for everything
[09:32] <PurpleMotion> f_newton:  you can kill that action real quick. turn off referrers, or ban people coming from ebay
[09:33] <shesh> where to get this?
[09:33] <rendi> umount: /media/floppy0 is not mounted (according to mtab)
[09:33] <seife`> ok, now where do i download that sans font
[09:33] <rendi> duh
[09:33] <benplaut> seife`: it's included by default
[09:33] <Madpilot> seife`: it's included with Ubuntu
[09:33] <PurpleMotion> i guess you could really tweak it, and only ban people requesting images who are coming from ebay
[09:33] <floppyears> hi
[09:33] <floppyears> how can I take a look at the arp and routing table in my linux box ?
[09:33] <PurpleMotion> rendi: now, umount /dev/fd0 && mount /dev/fd0
[09:34] <seife`> I dont have Ubuntu
[09:34] <seife`> I have windows
[09:34] <seife`> I want that font in windows
[09:34] <rendi> same purple
[09:34] <rendi> umount: /dev/fd0 mount disagrees with the fstab
[09:34] <rendi> !_!
[09:34] <ubotu> rendi: Are you smoking crack?
[09:34] <Seveas> floppyears, route
[09:34] <PurpleMotion> seife`:  sorry to hear it :)
[09:34] <action09> hi all
[09:35] <floppyears> Seveas: thanks
[09:35] <action09> anyone know how can i modify options ( geometry) on vino vncserver ? and optionnaly hwo can i restart x manually please ?
[09:35] <PurpleMotion> rendi: type mount
[09:35] <seife`> where
[09:35] <PurpleMotion> show me the line for the floppy drive
[09:35] <rendi> $ mount
[09:35] <rendi> /dev/fd0 on /home/admin/Desktop/floppy type vfat (rw)
[09:35] <PurpleMotion> okay
[09:36] <PurpleMotion> sudo umount /dev/fd0
[09:36] <PurpleMotion> then
[09:36] <PurpleMotion> paste to me the floppy drive line in /etc/fstab
[09:36] <rendi> wait
[09:36] <benplaut> seife`: i guess you'll just have to get Ubuntu :)
[09:36] <rendi> it says
[09:36] <rendi> bussy
[09:36] <rendi> umount: /home/admin/Desktop/floppy: device is busy
[09:36] <Seveas> rendi, the close all windows having that folder open
[09:37] <rendi> i'm close all
[09:37] <PurpleMotion> do you have a terminal open in that folder? or do you have it open somewhere on your desktop? do you have a file in it open? close anything that might have to do with that floppy drive
[09:37] <seife`> I want to install Ubuntu
[09:37] <PurpleMotion> then
[09:37] <seife`> But i know nothing about linux :\
[09:37] <Seveas> rendi, what does 'lsof /home/admin/Desktop/floppy' say
[09:37] <rendi> i have do that
[09:37] <Seveas> seife`, that's ok, Ubuntu is great for beginners
[09:37] <floppyears> Seveas: then ubuntu is a good choice
[09:37] <PurpleMotion> sudo umount /dev/fd0
[09:37] <PurpleMotion> yeah
[09:37] <benplaut> seife`: neither did we, when we started
[09:37] <PurpleMotion> if it's open, it's busy
[09:38] <Seveas> floppyears, I know ;)
[09:38] <PurpleMotion> if you're int hat directory, it's busy
[09:38] <rendi> Seveas gam_serve 6784 admin   65r   DIR    2,0 7168    1 /home/admin/Desktop/floppy
[09:38] <Seveas> I installed it a year ago :)
[09:38] <PurpleMotion> so you have to get out of it
[09:38] <Seveas> rendi, argh, gamin strikes again...
[09:38] <seife`> What u have to learn?
[09:38] <Seveas> rendi, sudo kill 6784
[09:38] <Seveas> and then retry
[09:38] <floppyears> Seveas: sorry, I should've sent that to seife`
[09:38] <floppyears> seife`: go to the ubuntu homepage and download the iso.
[09:39] <PurpleMotion> whats gamin?
[09:39] <benplaut> seife`: nothing except a bit of common sense about backing up :P
[09:39] <Seveas> floppyears, I understanda that, looked funnt though :)
[09:39] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, the thing that monitors file modifications
[09:39] <PurpleMotion> gotchya
[09:39] <PurpleMotion> sometimes gets a little stuck?
[09:39] <floppyears> seife`: you will learn enough to not wanting to go back
[09:39] <Madpilot> seife`: you can download a LiveCD - it runs without touching your harddrive, so you can try Ubuntu out
[09:39] <PurpleMotion> you can even install from it
[09:39] <rendi> i have kill that
[09:39] <rendi> and then
[09:39] <PurpleMotion> you have all the tools
[09:40] <PurpleMotion> rendi: mount /dev/fd0
[09:40] <Seveas> no, first unmount :)
[09:40] <PurpleMotion> oh that wasnt the mount
[09:40] <rendi> lol
[09:40] <PurpleMotion> sudo umount /dev/fd0
[09:40] <PurpleMotion> it was the process keeping the umount at bay
[09:41] <action09> no idea formy vino  ? :(
[09:41] <rendi> clear
[09:41] <rendi> thengkyu all
[09:41] <rendi> :)
[09:41] <PurpleMotion> netime :)
[09:41] <action09> is it the same behavior than vncserver ..
[09:42] <benplaut> i've g2g2school tomorrow, g'night everyone
[09:42] <benplaut> summer is over :(
[09:43] <seife`> really?
[09:43] <seife`> u guys think if a install ubuntu and learn some, i would not back to windows?
[09:43] <Burgundavia> seife`, yes
[09:43] <Madpilot> seife`: probably. I'm never taking my home machine back!
[09:43] <floppyears> seife`: absolutely. It has so many advantages over windows
[09:43] <Seveas> seife`, lots of people preceed you in that :)
[09:44] <seife> cool
[09:44] <f_newton> seife`, I would venture to say yes... you may not stick with ubuntu although it appears to be a fine gui based debian distro, but u will probably remain with a nix type os
[09:44] <seife> I can do the same things in Ubuntu that the things i do in windows?
[09:44] <Madpilot> true, but I've become an actual convert since then... ;)
[09:44] <f_newton> and a whole lot more
[09:44] <floppyears> seife: yes
[09:44] <floppyears> and many more
[09:45] <seife> what more
[09:45] <seife> :|
[09:45] <Madpilot> seife: have a quick look here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant
[09:45] <seife> cool
[09:45] <f_newton> seife, there are many linux distros, several bsd distros, and even the genuine unix distros
[09:46] <f_newton> with windows all you get is .... windows and that is pretty bland once you see what is really available
[09:46] <ictus> hi all
[09:46] <seife> cool
[09:46] <f_newton> or you can be trolling for the infamous b gates seife
[09:47] <mp1> I'm having trouble mounting a windows Hdd, I've forgotten which file it is in /dev since I re-installed My mtab/fstab aren't right... What's the easiest way to find the hdd ?
[09:47] <efigyidol> does the default install of xorg have opengl enabled?
[09:47] <elwood> mp1 cfdisk and search for win fs
[09:47] <Burgundavia> seife, nothing we are going to say is going to convince you to switch. The best way is to simply try it out yourself
[09:47] <PurpleMotion> you ever just be sitting there and an idea pops into your head that will actually make you a LOT of money?
[09:48] <seife> the question is
[09:48] <seife> i install all my programs
[09:48] <seife> and ubuntu will fuck up right?
[09:48] <seife> and why i have to fix it via console :/
[09:48] <f_newton> lol
[09:48] <PurpleMotion> *uNF*
[09:48] <f_newton> sit down PurpleMotion its been done
[09:49] <f_newton> lol
[09:49] <PurpleMotion> seife:  Because you need to learn and get comfortable with the command line anyways.
[09:49] <Seveas> seife, why would Ubuntu fuck up?
[09:49] <PurpleMotion> f_newton:  yeah, but ive only seen two or three in movies like this.. im gonna make like 300 of them and sell them
[09:49] <PurpleMotion> :D
[09:49] <f_newton> seife, I hardly ever use the cli anymore
[09:49] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, not true, Ubunut goes a long way to make everything available via the GUI
[09:49] <PurpleMotion> Seveas:  blasphemy
[09:49] <Burgundavia> PurpleMotion, Ubuntu's goal is to make certain that if you don't want to use the CLI, you don't have to
[09:49] <Madpilot> seife: you probably won't have to install much. there's lots and lots of stuff already installed
[09:50] <PurpleMotion> what's the point if they dont learn.. we want to convert windows users, we dont want windows users
[09:50] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, nonsense....
[09:50] <PurpleMotion> not to me it isn't
[09:50] <Seveas> well, to Ubuntu it is...
[09:50] <f_newton> PurpleMotion, who is this we yoda?
[09:50] <mp1> elwood: when I run cfdisk it goes to a flashcard I had mounted, I umounted, ejected that and now it says "fatal error: Cannot open disk drive..."
[09:50] <PurpleMotion> I love ubuntu, it's the best thing to happen to debian since knoppix
[09:50] <f_newton> the purpose of linux is NO
[09:51] <PurpleMotion> *shrug*
[09:51] <f_newton> ugh nOT To build and army of ms haters
[09:51] <PurpleMotion> nonono
[09:51] <PurpleMotion> and i dont hate ms at all
[09:51] <seife> how many space it needs?
[09:51] <seife> more than 5GB
[09:51] <seife> i  just have 5GB on my d:\ idisk
[09:51] <f_newton> its to offer a viable alternative to the closed minded I know whats best for you attitude of microsoft
[09:51] <PurpleMotion> but, i can't stand people who dont know how and dont want to learn how.
[09:51] <Seveas> seife, not if you just want to test it
[09:51] <f_newton> well thats your hang up
[09:51] <Seveas> 5gb is more than enough for the default environment
[09:52] <f_newton> get over it
[09:52] <PurpleMotion> last year, i taught my mom how to navigate a filesystem
[09:52] <f_newton> kewl
[09:52] <PurpleMotion> she's had a computer for twelve years
[09:52] <PurpleMotion> lemme say that again
[09:52] <PurpleMotion> last year, i taught my mom how to navigate a filesystem
[09:52] <PurpleMotion> she's had a computer for twelve years
[09:52] <Madpilot> seife: the default install of Ubuntu is about 1.7Gb
[09:52] <PurpleMotion> but she was willing to learn how :)
[09:52] <seife> and it comes with all programs installed?
[09:52] <PurpleMotion> she found thousands of files she didnt know she still had
[09:53] <f_newton> most every thing you will ever need seife
[09:53] <Burgundavia> PurpleMotion, computers should not be so difficult to use that need training
[09:53] <Seveas> seife, it comes with a complete office-browser-mail-internet suite installed
[09:53] <gwxnei001> nu
[09:53] <PurpleMotion> Burgundavia:  it doesnt mean you shouldnt learn it, though
[09:53] <f_newton> If you do need more you can install it simply and easily via apt-get or synaptic
[09:53] <seife> cool
[09:53] <seife> can i install programs like macromedia there?
[09:53] <seife> or microsoft word?
[09:53] <PurpleMotion> everyone should posess at least basic skills
[09:53] <Madpilot> seife: see the big chart on the bottom of that WindowsUsers URL I gave you, it'll give you some idea of what you can do with Ubuntu
[09:53] <f_newton> PurpleMotion, users learn as they go along at their pace
[09:54] <Seveas> seife, you can install flash
[09:54] <Madpilot> seife: for MSWord, use OpenOffice
[09:54] <PurpleMotion> filesystem navigation, basic maintenance, basic troubleshooting
[09:54] <Seveas> seife, and a replacement for word is installed by default
[09:54] <seife> oh ok
[09:54] <PurpleMotion> if you aren't willing to learn these simple things the first time you sit down to a computer, then you should not be on one.
[09:54] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, do you know how to troubleshoot your tv
[09:54] <Seveas> ?
[09:54] <PurpleMotion> to a degree
[09:54] <PurpleMotion> i read the manual
[09:54] <seife> woah so
[09:54] <seife> if u guys says that
[09:54] <seife> ubuntu is great
[09:54] <seife> !
[09:54] <ubotu> seife: Bugger all, i dunno
[09:55] <Seveas> right, but not to the degree users must know how to troubleshoot computers
[09:55] <PurpleMotion> yeah, ubuntu rocks
[09:55] <Seveas> so computers still fail :)
[09:55] <seife> what ubuntu command line skillz do i need
[09:55] <Seveas> seife, virtually none
[09:55] <Madpilot> seife: minimal.
[09:55] <PurpleMotion> the most basic of troubleshooting skills, though.. reboot, start with a log, boot from recover cd, etc
[09:55] <f_newton> firefox/ubuntu has a big time bug in crashing when trying to clear the certificate screen
[09:55] <PurpleMotion> everyone should have those
[09:55] <PurpleMotion> they're pretty easy to learn
[09:56] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, not really :)
[09:56] <PurpleMotion> and they save tons of time down the road when you fubar it.
[09:56] <Seveas> it's all too unintuitive
[09:56] <PurpleMotion> blah we're not going to see eye on this one, m8.. let's agree to disagree
[09:56] <seife> woah
[09:56] <Seveas> :)
[09:56] <seife> I dont know how to do those things
[09:57] <seife> like start with a log
[09:57] <f_newton> yes PurpleMotion you are correct in that
[09:57] <seife> or boot from recover cd lol
[09:57] <floppyears> seife: you will learn things as you need them. That's how most of us have learned what we know
[09:57] <PurpleMotion> .o(but I know there's people in here sittin at their computers goin 'yeah, ain't it the truth' ;) i really will shutup now )
[09:57] <whitefang> how do i install a .tgz with dpkg?
[09:57] <Seveas> whitefang, not.
[09:57] <liran_> i forgot, how do you open up .bz2 files?
[09:58] <whitefang> its meant to be installed that way though
[09:58] <floppyears> liran_: tar -xjvf
[09:58] <Seveas> liran_, with the archive manager or what floppyears said
[09:58] <Seveas> whitefang, is it a slackware package?
[09:58] <liran_> ahh right
[09:58] <liran_> and z is for gzip
[09:58] <whitefang> Seveas, possibly
[09:58] <liran_> i always confuse the two
[09:58] <Seveas> whitefang, alien might help in that case
[09:59] <whitefang> ls
[09:59] <whitefang> oops
[09:59] <seife> One question, Gimp comes with fonts?
[09:59] <c3101> can alien convert slack to deb ?
[09:59] <Madpilot> seife: Ubuntu comes with some very nice fonts
[09:59] <floppyears> c3101: I think so
[09:59] <seife> No
[09:59] <seife> Im in Gimp
[09:59] <seife> I have the font Sans there
[10:00] <floppyears> seife: you can install more fonts later if you need them.
[10:00] <Madpilot> seife: GIMP in Windows? no idea, sorry. sounds like it does
[10:00] <f_newton> gimp is gnome image manipulation program
[10:00] <seife> But i look into the c:\root\.gimp-2.2.\fonts\ and there is no sans.ttf
[10:00] <hussam> I might change monitors sometime this summer. how do I reconfigure X.conf for the new monitor? ( current one is detected correctly )
[10:00] <seife> I want sans font ARGGG
[10:00] <f_newton> gimp is very powerful if you know how to use it
[10:00] <hussam> or is reconfigured automatically on reboot ?
[10:00] <seife> Yes, Gimp > ALl
[10:00] <whitefang> its a debian .tgz actually.
[10:00] <luminerd> can anyone tell me something to choose FC4 over Ubuntu for a fast, quick setup I need it on 25 computers by wednesday morning!!
[10:00] <luminerd> or
[10:00] <luminerd> visa versa
[10:00] <Madpilot> seife: i think it's called freesans.ttf
[10:00] <seife> ok
[10:01] <f_newton> whitefang if you have the cds for fedora do a net install on all the machines at once
[10:01] <Madpilot> there's a whole Sans family of fonts
[10:01] <liran_> whats the package name for JRE? cause synaptic cant find it
[10:01] <Burgundavia> luminerd, either will work, but Ubuntu tends to have better security support
[10:01] <Belutz> it would be nice if there is an icon for spreadubuntu.com so i cut put it in my blog :D
[10:01] <f_newton> sorry whitefang I mean luminerd
[10:02] <Burgundavia> luminerd, both installers support kickstart, if you need the same thing on each machine
[10:02] <Burgundavia> liran_, you need hoary-extras
[10:02] <Burgundavia> liran_, see wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[10:02] <luminerd> Burgundavia, well, not too worried about security and I'll probably be using a program to make an iso out of the system I configure
[10:02] <liran_> ok willdo
[10:02] <luminerd> Burgundavia, kickstart?
[10:02] <Burgundavia> luminerd, the upgrade path is better for Ubuntu
[10:02] <f_newton> luminerd, you need to be internet connected to do a good job with ubuntu
[10:02] <seife> can anyone send me sans.ttf
[10:03] <Burgundavia> luminerd, http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/KickStart-HOWTO.html
[10:03] <luminerd> f_newton, dang, it needs that much maintenence?
[10:03] <f_newton> I take it you found your machines
[10:03] <ompaul> luminerd, what are these machines to be used for?
[10:03] <f_newton> no no no its a single iso install disk
[10:03] <Burgundavia> luminerd, not really
[10:03] <f_newton> a small school] 
[10:03] <luminerd> I have net on the one machine
[10:03] <Madpilot> Belutz: design some icons for Ubuntu!
[10:03] <Burgundavia> f_newton, any modern distro does better if you are connected to the internet
[10:03] <luminerd> but I won't on all the other clients for a few days.  I need them all set up well before that
[10:03] <f_newton> Burgundavia, you are full of it
[10:03] <luminerd> Burgundavia, well, slackware's alright on its own :P
[10:03] <Belutz> Madpilot: that's the thing... i'm very not good at designing
[10:04] <Oniano|iBook> has anybody compiled a kernel for an ICH5 chipset with SATA support?
[10:04] <Burgundavia> f_newton, please remember the ubuntu code of conduct
[10:04] <f_newton> you are spreading rumor and preference as truth
[10:04] <PurpleMotion> Oniano|iBook:  why dont you compile one?
[10:04] <f_newton> Burgundavia, DONT EXPECT ME TO LET YOU LIE
[10:04] <Oniano|iBook> i've tried
[10:04] <PurpleMotion> and?
[10:04] <Burgundavia> f_newton, I have used both and found fedora to come up short in some areas that Ubuntu shines in. Upgrade path is one of those
[10:04] <Oniano|iBook> doesn't work
[10:05] <PurpleMotion> aroo?
[10:05] <PurpleMotion> what do you mean, it doesnt work??
[10:05] <PurpleMotion> what does it do?
[10:05] <c3101> what part don;t work Oniano|iBook ?
[10:05] <f_newton> Burgundavia, I really am not interested in much that youve said once you tried to convince someone that a single disk iso install of a 2 to 7 gig os will be adequate
[10:05] <Oniano|iBook> its definitely to do with the SATA modules
[10:06] <Burgundavia> f_newton, huh?
[10:06] <PurpleMotion> are you compiling the modules too?
[10:06] <PurpleMotion> wtf are you on about, f_newton?
[10:06] <c3101> have you enabled SCSI support Oniano|iBook  ?
[10:06] <f_newton> Burgundavia, the ubuntu os needs internet connectivity to fully install except for very basic packages
[10:06] <Oniano|iBook> i'm not sure which modules exactly to compile..but i know they need to be compiled into the kernel
[10:06] <Burgundavia> f_newton, umm, no it does not
[10:06] <ompaul> luminerd, well if you look at what you are trying to do I would suggest that with either (and I would prefer ubuntu) but set up the first machine (on the net) fully then burn the needed extras onto a CD then set each of the machines up using two CDs, however that is your call, your in for a lot of work but it would be easier with Ubuntu with the apt system
[10:06] <PurpleMotion> f_newton:  that's not true at all.
[10:06] <Draucon> what's a good minimalist rss/atom aggregator
[10:07] <Seveas> Draucon, blam
[10:07] <PurpleMotion> f_newton:  ubuntu installs quite a robust system right from the CD
[10:07] <Burgundavia> Draucon, you might want to try blam or liferea
[10:07] <Oniano|iBook> Draucon, bloglines.com ;)
[10:07] <ompaul> luminerd, are all machines the same physical build?
[10:07] <luminerd> ompaul, not willing to do that
[10:07] <Draucon> thanks Seveas... i've tried liferea.. i just want something that sits in the system tray and tells me when things are updated
[10:07] <luminerd> all I'm going to do is set the one machine up with everything it needs
[10:07] <Choubaka> What is Ubuntu missing when it's installed fresh from the CD?
[10:07] <PurpleMotion> you get a complete and well-complimented desktop with every app you need and a few they thought you'd like
[10:08] <luminerd> then I will use a program to make an iso or a few out of EVERYTHING on the system
[10:08] <Burgundavia> Choubaka, some things they cannot legally install
[10:08] <luminerd> and then duplicate it to all the others
[10:08] <Choubaka> Burgundavia: I know that.
[10:08] <luminerd> ompaul, yea, they are all exactly the same
[10:08] <Choubaka> Burgundavia: I was interested in f_newton's opinion in particular.
[10:08] <PurpleMotion> is that supposed to be chewbacca?
[10:08] <ompaul> luminerd, well then dd if your friend :)
[10:08] <Choubaka> PurpleMotion: no.
[10:08] <PurpleMotion> ok
[10:08] <PurpleMotion> just askin.. looks like it sounds the same
[10:08] <f_newton> ok what kind of algorithm are they using that allows them to pack so much data in 585 megs ?
[10:08] <luminerd> ompaul, huh?
[10:09] <ompaul> dd is a copy program
[10:09] <Choubaka> PurpleMotion: If you're English :)
[10:09] <c3101> f_newton : c_loop ?
[10:09] <PurpleMotion> fair enough.
[10:09] <Burgundavia> f_newton, default install is 1.7 gb
[10:09] <Seveas> f_newton, shared libraries :)
[10:09] <Choubaka> f_newton: you want more data?
[10:09] <Seveas> f_newton, and it's not new
[10:09] <Seveas> just something windows isn't too good at
[10:09] <Choubaka> isn't that bloat.
[10:10] <Choubaka> Tell me, is it missing any features?
[10:10] <luminerd> ompaul, I see
[10:10] <Choubaka> Besides those that would be illegal to include on the CD, of course.
[10:10] <f_newton> I installed ubuntu this morning... it loaded my basic from the cd and then downloaded hundreds of meg more from the internet ... I just used a default install
[10:11] <Choubaka> f_newton: Yes.
[10:11] <Madpilot> Choubaka: aside from Flash & Java - which would be illegal - it's pretty complete in 1.7Gb...
[10:11] <PurpleMotion> f_newton:  knoppix has been doing it for years with their live cd (which btw installed into a VERY nice distro right up till about 3.9
[10:11] <Choubaka> IT upgraded itsel.
[10:11] <luminerd> So Kubuntu IS ubuntu, right, just with kde?
[10:11] <Burgundavia> luminerd, yes
[10:11] <Choubaka> It*
[10:11] <PurpleMotion> it's called on-the-fly decompression
[10:11] <Burgundavia> luminerd, say repos
[10:11] <Seveas> luminerd, correct
[10:11] <Burgundavia> luminerd, same, even
[10:11] <f_newton> a hundred to one?
[10:11] <ompaul> luminerd, go with ubuntu, build machine one,  get a live CD and use the dd program to boot the machine then use dd to copy data from one from one disk to another so that you have no issues with file locks and all boxes will be exactly the same - be aware that this means that all users will have the same access to all machines unless you populate the machines seperately
[10:11] <Choubaka> f_newton: a fresh windows installation downloads about the same amount of data.
[10:11] <PurpleMotion> 3.9 pissed me off so bad i switched to ubuntu
[10:11] <Choubaka> SP1, SP2, drivers and updates.
[10:11] <PurpleMotion> and i havent looked back
[10:12] <f_newton> a win xp install is 1.2 gig complete
[10:12] <Choubaka> and then some necessary applications you have to download from all around the net.
[10:12] <f_newton> until updates
[10:12] <PurpleMotion> know what i SHOULD have done? I should have added the ubuntu sources and removed the knoppix sources and did an apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:12] <Burgundavia> f_newton, a default xp install has almost no functionality
[10:12] <f_newton> thats about a 2 to one ratio and it has no packages
[10:12] <Seveas> f_newton, and without any useful software like forefox or an office suite :)
[10:12] <f_newton> right
[10:12] <Choubaka> f_newton: Does it come with an Office package and multimedia players and shit like that? :)
[10:12] <f_newton> exactly
[10:12] <PurpleMotion> what is forefox?
[10:12] <luminerd> ompaul, is dd over network?
[10:13] <luminerd> they aren't networked.
[10:13] <ompaul> no you said you do not have one
[10:13] <Choubaka> f_newton: so what's the problem?
[10:13] <f_newton> all I am saying is a complete install without internet should be done with a cd or dvd set complete with the packages
[10:13] <luminerd> PurpleMotion, Firefox is a sweet browser on windows...on linux so-so
[10:13] <f_newton> ubuntu relies on the net
[10:13] <Burgundavia> f_newton, it can be
[10:13] <Burgundavia> luminerd, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/Netboot?highlight=%28install%29
[10:13] <luminerd> ompaul, it gets all the info off the cd?
[10:13] <Choubaka> f_newton: only for updates. :P
[10:13] <PurpleMotion> luminerd:  I know what firefox is. I was wondering what forefox was :D
[10:13] <ompaul> it would be get disk one from machine two and put it in machine two and have the CD copy from hard drive one to hard drive two
[10:13] <luminerd> Burgundavia, not interested in a netboot though
[10:13] <Choubaka> f_newton: when you see it downloading stuff from the net it's updating.
[10:13] <luminerd> they won't have internet by that time
[10:14] <luminerd> I think I'll use Mondo
[10:14] <luminerd> instead of DD
[10:14] <Burgundavia> luminerd, ok, read your non-networking thing after I posted the link
[10:14] <Choubaka> if you don't want security updates then you can do without network.
[10:14] <c3101> think mondo will be much faster
[10:14] <luminerd> hehe
[10:14] <luminerd> Choubaka, the first machine is on net for now
[10:14] <luminerd> I brought it home and it's on my net
[10:14] <luminerd> c3101, you do?
[10:14] <PurpleMotion> Choubaka:  think about what you just said. If you are not online, the only security threat posed to your data is somone sitting down in front of it and hacking it.
[10:14] <Choubaka> PurpleMotion: yes.
[10:14] <Choubaka> of course.
[10:15] <c3101> dd takes forever
[10:15] <Choubaka> that's why it doesn't matter if you can't download the updates from the net.
[10:15] <f_newton> well as it presently stands I think ubuntu is a more able os then fedora but I still say that fedora comes complete while ubuntu relies on the internet for packages  to complete the install
[10:15] <Choubaka> if you're not connected to it.
[10:15] <PurpleMotion> I know.
[10:15] <PurpleMotion> that was my point, heh
[10:15] <Choubaka> f_newton: Download and burn the DVD iso.
[10:15] <Choubaka> it has _all_ the packages
[10:15] <luminerd> I see
[10:15] <PurpleMotion> I'm goin to bed, folks.
[10:16] <f_newton> that would be ideal
[10:16] <ompaul> sleep well
[10:16] <PurpleMotion> It's been one hell of a long day
[10:16] <Choubaka> f_newton: the thing is, no-one needs all those packages
[10:16] <Burgundavia> f_newton, are you certain it actually downloaded packages? it does some scrolling text that looks like downloading but is actually just setting up stuff
[10:16] <ompaul> PurpleMotion, well its only 9:16 am :)
[10:16] <Choubaka> f_newton: and the CD iso contains the most popular packaes.
[10:16] <f_newton> it downloaded close to a gig if I remember correctly
[10:16] <Choubaka> so you'll have a good system with the CD only.
[10:16] <luminerd> I think I'll go with Fedora, simply because ubuntu seems a little *too* simple for me
[10:16] <luminerd> thanks for the help
[10:16] <luminerd> unless anyone has a last comment
[10:17] <luminerd> to convince me otherwise
[10:17] <luminerd> heh
[10:17] <f_newton> luminerd, I just left fc4 because it has serious updating issues
[10:17] <c3101> users like *simple* ?~:?
[10:17] <Choubaka> luminerd: I do: You're wrong :D
[10:17] <Seveas> luminerd, *too simple*?!?
[10:17] <ompaul> luminerd, choose the hard road for yourself if you want
[10:17] <djp> luminerd: i switched from fedora TO ubuntu! ;)
[10:17] <Burgundavia> luminerd, ubuntu is much better polished
[10:17] <Seveas> luminerd, if you want difficulty: go gentoo
[10:17] <f_newton> I have found ubuntu to be a lot more stable
[10:17] <luminerd> updating I am not worried about
[10:17] <Seveas> if you want a good working system: go Ubuntu
[10:17] <luminerd> lol Seveas that's far too difficult
[10:17] <luminerd> I don't want difficulty
[10:17] <luminerd> I want ease
[10:17] <Choubaka> luminerd: remember Ubuntu is Debian-based. It's very customisable. :)
[10:17] <PM-aSeepin> luminerd:  you can get around in ubuntu
[10:17] <luminerd> however with to much ease comes too little power
[10:17] <PM-aSeepin> it's a damned nice system
[10:17] <luminerd> as windows proves
[10:18] <Burgundavia> luminerd, that is false
[10:18] <f_newton> debian based was the biggest reason and gnome as default was the clincher
[10:18] <PM-aSeepin> especially if you know your shit
[10:18] <Seveas> luminerd, in Ubuntu you still have full control
[10:18] <Seveas> it's not windows...
[10:18] <f_newton> but... Ive got a t1
[10:18] <luminerd> but
[10:18] <Burgundavia> luminerd, you still have the same underlying stuff, just a better polished ui
[10:18] <luminerd> the users have control
[10:18] <Choubaka> Ubuntu gives you power.
[10:18] <luminerd> I don't want the user to be able to fsck their system
[10:18] <PM-aSeepin> yeah it does
[10:18] <Choubaka> because it has APT.
[10:18] <ompaul> luminerd, well that is wrong, so enjoy your fedora and when your crying in your coffee on Friday come back and we will still tell you how to make life easy
[10:18] <Choubaka> APT beats the shit out of everything else I've ever used.
[10:18] <luminerd> I want only su'd users (me) to be able to do stuff
[10:18] <PM-aSeepin> if you know your way around a linux box, ubuntu is pretty damned nice
[10:18] <Seveas> luminerd, then don't give then this ability :)
[10:18] <nicholaspaul> cos its easy to use, its not powerful, luminerd? where on earth did you hear that?
[10:18] <Choubaka> luminerd: that's controllable.
[10:18] <Seveas> luminerd, by default only thr user you creat on install has sudo rights
[10:18] <Choubaka> luminerd: man sudoers :)
[10:19] <f_newton> apt is superior to yum without a doubt
[10:19] <nicholaspaul> weird..
[10:19] <Seveas> other users have to be granted this permission explicitely
[10:19] <ompaul> f_newton, but the guy/gal wants a challange
[10:19] <Seveas> by adding them to either the admin group or the sudoers file
[10:19] <znh> morning chan
[10:19] <Choubaka> are there even any official repositories for yum?
[10:19] <PM-aSeepin> luminerd:  they disable the root account (which is WEIRD.. no matter though, takes a second flat to enable, and actually works 100% with it disabled as well.. though I always enable it straight away)
[10:19] <f_newton> the only reason I would go for fedora over ubuntu is that fedora has all on the 4 cds
[10:19] <Seveas> Choubaka, yum sucks
[10:19] <f_newton> yum does suck
[10:20] <Seveas> PM-aSeepin, it's not weird, it's a Good Thing....
[10:20] <Burgundavia> f_newton, the dvd will give you all of supported
[10:20] <znh> f_newton: Fedora is good in messing hisself up :-)
[10:20] <f_newton> and now they are fighting over supremacy in repos
[10:20] <PM-aSeepin> but it's a rock solid system
[10:20] <djp> you only need the one cd in order to get ubuntu up and running...
[10:20] <f_newton> that is true but its a scaled down stripped down model ofan os that way
[10:20] <PM-aSeepin> Seveas:  it's got it's pro's as well as cons. in the end, it's what you, as the sysadmin of your box, want :)
[10:20] <Choubaka> f_newton: You are wrong.
[10:20] <Seveas> f_newton, no way :)
[10:20] <f_newton> ok
[10:20] <Martin_poland> hi, Im from Poland
[10:20] <Seveas> PM-aSeepin, :)
[10:20] <f_newton> I have no choice but to accept that
[10:21] <f_newton> possibility
[10:21] <c3101> thats nice Martin
[10:21] <Choubaka> Every time I've seen someone talk about their yum repositories they seem to be just a mix of random urls.
[10:21] <Martin_poland> thanx
[10:21] <znh> Martin_poland: Hi welcome, iam from The Netherlands
[10:21] <Seveas> znh, h ik ook :)
[10:21] <PM-aSeepin> I wonder how hard it is to defect to the netherlands
[10:21] <thespiritoftal> what is i386 and what is x86=
[10:21] <znh> Seveas: he leuk :-D
[10:21] <Martin_poland> now I instal Ubuntu
[10:21] <Seveas> znh, #ubuntu-nl
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[10:21] <PM-aSeepin> I want to defect to australia.
[10:22] <PM-aSeepin> like, seriously.
[10:22] <c3101> congrats MArtin !
[10:22] <znh> Martin_poland: Good choice
[10:22] <f_newton> I have been very pleased with my install so far... I appreciate the fact that ubuntu has stuck more with stability then new shiny
[10:22] <PM-aSeepin> i want to take my whole family to sydney
[10:22] <PM-aSeepin> and stay.
[10:22] <znh> PM-aSeepin: where are you waiting for :-)?
[10:22] <Martin_poland> you think ? Thats good choice ?
[10:22] <PM-aSeepin> znh:  I hear it's pretty hard to get in like that
[10:23] <ompaul> Martin_poland, of course we do
[10:23] <f_newton> uh australia doesnt allow immigration like that any more?
[10:23] <PM-aSeepin> They have a lot of very strict criteria you have to meet
[10:23] <luminerd> PM-aSeepin, that would be stupid of me.  it would accomplish nothing to disable root...I just said that I WANTED ONLY root to be able to do stuff....if users have all permissions on ubuntu then I am NOT going to use it.
[10:23] <Choubaka> luminerd: no, no, no
[10:23] <Burgundavia> luminerd, by default on the 1st user gets sudo rights
[10:23] <f_newton> luminerd, you can change that
[10:23] <znh> Martin_poland: yes, if you prevourise Operating System was wind*ws, then it's difennetly a very good choice
[10:23] <ompaul> luminerd, you are wrong
[10:23] <Burgundavia> luminerd, no others have sudo access
[10:23] <PM-aSeepin> luminerd:  okay, but you need a user that can su
[10:23] <f_newton> I was rather dismayed by that myself at first
[10:23] <luminerd> I don't use sudo at all
[10:23] <f_newton> until I read up on it
[10:24] <Choubaka> luminerd: disabling root and using sudo actually gives you the chance to define exactly what users can do with root powers.
[10:24] <znh> luminerd: you are saying things that are based on nothing
[10:24] <Martin_poland> I yes, OS was WinX
[10:24] <Choubaka> or as other users.
[10:24] <luminerd> ompaul, what an idiotic thing to say
[10:24] <Burgundavia> luminerd, have you read wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo ?
[10:24] <PM-aSeepin> yeah
[10:24] <Martin_poland> and now I testing ubuntu
[10:24] <luminerd> PM-aSeepin, all users should be able to su....
[10:24] <PM-aSeepin> mess up /etc/sudoers just once
[10:24] <PM-aSeepin> and watch what happens
[10:24] <luminerd> but they need the password
[10:24] <znh> Martin_poland: and, what's your first opinion?
[10:24] <luminerd> no
[10:24] <luminerd> no sudo.
[10:24] <Choubaka> PM-aSeepin: you can't really mess it up if you use visudo
[10:24] <luminerd> I would like a normal system.
[10:24] <ompaul> luminerd, if you are wrong as I know you are, then when I tell you you are wrong it is not idiotic
[10:25] <luminerd> I am not up for learning anything new in order to do this.
[10:25] <PM-aSeepin> luminerd:  NOBODY should be able to su to root except people in wheel
[10:25] <f_newton> luminerd remember when you were trying to find 25 just alike machines?
[10:25] <PM-aSeepin> but we wont get started on linux and wheel
[10:25] <Burgundavia> luminerd, add another user after the install. That user will have no admin privs
[10:25] <f_newton> it was a big discussion
[10:25] <luminerd> ompaul, well it's pretty rude and ridiculously pointless.
[10:25] <znh> People, we have already told him.. If he don't wants to listen, ignore him
[10:25] <Choubaka> luminerd: then do sudo passwd
[10:25] <c3101> why they call it "wheel" anyways ?
[10:25] <Choubaka> and root will be enabled.
[10:25] <luminerd> f_newton, what?
[10:25] <znh> c3101: the wheel of admins
[10:25] <f_newton> in fedora
[10:25] <Choubaka> and then you can edit sudoers and take sudo power off your regular user.
[10:25] <luminerd> ...what about it f_newton
[10:26] <c3101> aye ~?~ why not "admins"
[10:26] <Martin_poland> hmmm, the web Browswer not support perfect with my LCD monitot - font was blury !?
[10:26] <PM-aSeepin> he's not wrong. he has his own preference. isn't that what open source is ABOUT? Being free to decide how you like your eggs?
[10:26] <f_newton> there were a lot of different suggestions but a thorough examination by you revealed the best choice
[10:26] <Choubaka> luminerd: but honestly, once you get used to sudo and learn more about it you'll love it :)
[10:26] <znh> c3101: I don't know.. wheel is being used in almost every distribution
[10:26] <luminerd> Choubaka, no time.
[10:26] <c3101> true
[10:26] <luminerd> wednesday morning....wednesday at 5am.
[10:26] <Burgundavia> luminerd, to be honest, sudo offers you lots of power. Not much to learn
[10:26] <f_newton> it will take less time
[10:26] <luminerd> I have to have this all set up by then
[10:27] <luminerd> Burgundavia, ok how does sudo work then
[10:27] <Burgundavia> luminerd, very simple
[10:27] <luminerd> i read the man pages they make no sense
[10:27] <luminerd> so don't tell me to man sudo
[10:27] <luminerd> :P
[10:27] <PM-aSeepin> wheel is a group used in every other flavor of *nix that i know of. residence in that group gives you the right to assume uid=0 gid=0
[10:27] <PM-aSeepin> if you're not in wheel, you cannot su
[10:27] <Burgundavia> luminerd, the 1st user is allowed to sudo, and any user in the admin group
[10:27] <znh> Jup
[10:27] <PM-aSeepin> to root
[10:27] <Choubaka> luminerd: /etc/sudoers defines what users can do as root
[10:27] <Burgundavia> luminerd, non sudo users cannot do any "root-like" things
[10:27] <f_newton> thats why I would network install all the machines at once using one root psswd and assigning one thru twenty five user passwords
[10:27] <Andre4s> I am trying to install the flash plugin. The installer want the installation path of mozilla. I have tested /usr/lib/mozilla but that did not work. So where is it installed?
[10:28] <Choubaka> on ubuntu the default is to allow the first user and wheelers to do everything using sudo
[10:28] <Burgundavia> luminerd, new users that get added ARE NOT added to the admin group
[10:28] <PM-aSeepin> personally, I have a root account :) but that's just me
[10:28] <znh> Is there anyone here with some network knowlegde?
[10:28] <znh> brb tel
[10:28] <luminerd> Burgundavia, that's not making much sense to me
[10:28] <f_newton> but the problem lumninerd is that fc4 gets broken a lot by its jealous dev teams
[10:28] <luminerd> I will only have two accounts...
[10:28] <Martin_poland> yes, I have dhis same problem with Flash plugin
[10:28] <luminerd> root and caller
[10:28] <PM-aSeepin> that and its rpm
[10:28] <PM-aSeepin> and rpm blows
[10:28] <Choubaka> luminerd: of course, you could only give someone the ability to use apt to install and remove programs.
[10:28] <Choubaka> luminerd: or to edit apache configs and restart apache.
[10:29] <Martin_poland> but 2 weeks ago installation OK
[10:29] <Choubaka> or stuff like that.
[10:29] <f_newton> rpm doesnt blow PM-aSeepin
[10:29] <Iceman-AMD64> geez, wish more games were out for linux
[10:29] <PM-aSeepin> Yes, it does. It is the worst - by far - package management system in existance
[10:29] <Iceman-AMD64> Multiplayer online
[10:29] <Choubaka> and when you use sudo, it always requires the user's own password unless you've defined otherwise.
[10:29] <PM-aSeepin> i'd rather compile EVERYTHING from source
[10:29] <PM-aSeepin> than use rpm
[10:29] <f_newton> Choubaka, where can I get a package list of what is included on the cd iso?
[10:29] <Choubaka> luminerd: read man 5 sudoers for the config syntax.
[10:30] <f_newton> or do I just need to examine the cd?
[10:30] <Choubaka> f_newton: It's on the C at leastD. I can get it for you
[10:30] <Andre4s> where is mozilla installed?
[10:31] <PM-aSeepin> yaknow
[10:31] <Burgundavia> Andre4s, what part of it?
[10:31] <PM-aSeepin> i should build a box from scratch
[10:31] <znh> I have a sort of problem.. when Iam transfering data to my laptop via Samba, it goes with a slow speed of 500kb/s.. when I do top on the laptop, the processor is not even being used that many - what is the bottleneck here?
[10:31] <f_newton> Ive been customizing my install all day
[10:31] <PM-aSeepin> compile _every_ package and install it myself
[10:31] <f_newton> getting to the point that I like
[10:31] <PM-aSeepin> but just for what i want the box to do
[10:31] <PM-aSeepin> i bet you it would SCREAM
[10:31] <f_newton> I still need NVU and Crossover Office
[10:32] <Choubaka> I should have ordered some PPC ubuntu install CDs.
[10:32] <Burgundavia> f_newton, http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/base/ubuntu-desktop
[10:32] <PM-aSeepin> what do you need crossover office for?
[10:32] <PM-aSeepin> it doesn't do anything wine can't do :>
[10:32] <PM-aSeepin> just with wine you have to do it all by hand ;)
[10:32] <f_newton> well yes it does PM-aSeepin
[10:32] <Choubaka> Hmm, The Ubuntu CD alone doesn't allow much customisation.
[10:32] <PM-aSeepin> like what?
[10:32] <Burgundavia> Choubaka, no
[10:33] <Burgundavia> Choubaka, the ubuntu cd alone is a purely basic system to get a user up and running
[10:33] <Choubaka> Burgundavia: Yep :)
[10:33] <Burgundavia> Choubaka, your average mom and pop wouldn't need much more though
[10:33] <PM-aSeepin> yah you use synaptic for everything else :)
[10:33] <Choubaka> Burgundavia: yeah.
[10:33] <luminerd> well, thanks guys, that root thing made my decision for me.  no way I'm messing with learning sudo.
[10:33] <PM-aSeepin> i should write a sources.list manager
[10:33] <Choubaka> luminerd: Just enable root then :P
[10:33] <Iceman-AMD64> I ordered 5 ppc cd's ... 5 x64 cd's and 10 x86 cd's .. and received them all
[10:33] <PM-aSeepin> I think I will
[10:34] <Choubaka> luminerd: there's no messing with sudo that way.
[10:34] <grover> Iceman-AMD64: now you just have to use em all eh?
[10:34] <PM-aSeepin> someone should hack kuser or the gnome um or both and add in /etc/sudoers permissions
[10:34] <PM-aSeepin> as settings
[10:34] <Iceman-AMD64> grover give them to friends... and use the x64 myself ... now ...
[10:35] <Burgundavia> PM-aSeepin, what do you mean?
[10:35] <Iceman-AMD64> grover ... finaly made the move to 64 bit ...
[10:35] <PM-aSeepin> Burgundavia:  someone should modify the popular user managers, and add in settings for that person in /etc/sudoers.. the options selected would be added to /etc/sudoers
[10:35] <PM-aSeepin> Iceman-AMD64:  the window deco?
[10:35] <luminerd> Choubaka, I don't believe that a distro that would by default disable root could be very good in other areas.  I don't understand the reasoning behind that, it blows my mind.  I must admit though, kubuntu DOES look more polished than fc4
[10:36] <Choubaka> luminerd: Don't be prejudiced!
[10:36] <Burgundavia> PM-aSeepin, it is alreayd there
[10:36] <Iceman-AMD64> Microsoft windows xp 64 bit ... and ubuntu 64...
[10:36] <PM-aSeepin> where?
[10:36] <PM-aSeepin> which um has that?
[10:36] <Burgundavia> PM-aSeepin, gnome
[10:36] <Choubaka> luminerd: Disabling root was a good decision.
[10:36] <mattt> luminerd:  it means you spend LESS time using root, which is a GOOD thing.  :)
[10:36] <PM-aSeepin> ill go look
[10:36] <Choubaka> It's a needless confusion.
[10:36] <PM-aSeepin> i always do shit the hard way :D
[10:36] <Choubaka> source of* :P
[10:36] <YuWei> any body here know how to setup a d-link dwl-g650+ wireless PCMCIA card?
[10:36] <f_newton> luminerd, ubuntu also seems to have a lot of restricted packages I dont quite understand that
[10:37] <luminerd> *sigh* I'll just do ubuntu.  if it works, it works
[10:37] <Iceman-AMD64> Free Download of Windows xp Pro 64 bit ...
[10:37] <luminerd> but is there an ubuntu that comes with kde and gnome, maybe even others?
[10:37] <Burgundavia> PM-aSeepin, properities --> user privs --> executing system administaration...
[10:37] <Choubaka> luminerd: yes.
[10:37] <Choubaka> Ubuntu
[10:37] <Burgundavia> luminerd, ubuntu comes with gnome by default
[10:37] <Iceman-AMD64> need to pop- on and download Windows Server 2003 64 bit while it's still available
[10:37] <luminerd> ...
[10:37] <luminerd> yea
[10:37] <luminerd> but...
[10:37] <Burgundavia> luminerd, you can instlal kubuntu-desktop for kde
[10:37] <Madpilot> luminerd: Ubuntu = Gnome. Kubuntu = KDE
[10:37] <luminerd> dude
[10:37] <f_newton> that makes it a better os in my opinion
[10:37] <luminerd> I know that
[10:37] <Choubaka> luminerd: not on the CD though.
[10:37] <grover> 64b works just as well as 32b for me, so I guess that's good
[10:37] <Iceman-AMD64> Wish sun would patch java for 64 bit ...
[10:37] <luminerd> read my question.....is there an ubuntu that comes with kde and gnome, maybe even others?
[10:38] <Choubaka> not on the CD
[10:38] <Burgundavia> luminerd, Ubuntu does not ask the user during install about which de, no
[10:38] <PM-aSeepin> no, i'm talking about something a lot more complex than that.. but still very easy to use... enabling per-application access by users or groups or combinations of all of the above...
[10:38] <luminerd> is there a single command or something easy that I can run through to get a lot of tohers?
[10:38] <crispynix-v6> luminerd: Debian does, or you could go for a Knoppix DVD if you want it all on one disc.
[10:38] <Choubaka> apt-get install kde
[10:38] <f_newton> the dvd does though right?
[10:38] <Iceman-AMD64> luminerd kubuntu or ubuntu .. or download the kde desktop from ubuntu
[10:39] <Choubaka> you need internet to download those though.
[10:39] <Burgundavia> Choubaka, kubuntu-desktop actually
[10:39] <Choubaka> Burgundavia: well, yeah
[10:39] <Burgundavia> f_newton, the dvd is all of main, and that includes kde
[10:39] <grover> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:39] <crispynix-v6> luminerd: knoppix dvd then, just don't try to install from it :p
[10:39] <Burgundavia> luminerd, ubuntu contains all the software from debian
[10:39] <PM-aSeepin> including an all-inclusive 'user has system admin privelages' option
[10:39] <Choubaka> luminerd: that's being prejudiced :P
[10:39] <luminerd> ok I'll just get kubuntu
[10:39] <Iceman-AMD64> need to find linux games ... dang ...
[10:39] <Burgundavia> PM-aSeepin, you want finegrained control over the sudo file?
[10:39] <luminerd> Choubaka, I got net on the one machine
[10:39] <Choubaka> Debian is a marvellous system. Ubuntu takes it a step further as a desktop OS :)
[10:39] <f_newton> personally I like the way debian does things
[10:39] <Choubaka> luminerd: good. Then it will be easy.
[10:39] <f_newton> I find it faster, less troublesome, and much much easier to update
[10:39] <znh> luminerd: you can also get kubuntu if you have the normal ubuntu, just do the base installation and then install the xserver-xorg, and then the kubuntu-desktop pacakge - done
[10:39] <luminerd> the people in #debian are the biggest *insert your choice of any word here* in the world
[10:41] <Iceman-AMD64> ubuntu is growing faster every day
[10:41] <PM-aSeepin> Burgundavia:  but still easy for anybody to use.. it would actually be reallye asy to write in python
[10:41] <znh> luminerd: faggots?
[10:41] <Burgundavia> f_newton, ubuntu is just debian with polish. Most of the packages are the same
[10:41] <f_newton> yes they are luminerd
[10:41] <Choubaka> luminerd: the most complicated thing you may have to do is enable the universe repositories.
[10:41] <crispynix-v6> luminerd: only a few, actually
[10:41] <Iceman-AMD64> ? lammers ...
[10:41] <luminerd> znh, that works.
[10:41] <crispynix-v6> luminerd: ... hmm, now I'm wondering why your name sounds familiar ;o
[10:41] <znh> luminerd: nah comes nearby
[10:41] <f_newton> i can install deb packages in ubuntu without causing update problems?
[10:41] <Burgundavia> Iceman-AMD64, znh there is no need to bash debian. Please remember the Ubuntu code of conduct
[10:41] <Burgundavia> f_newton, yes
[10:41] <Iceman-AMD64> Got myself banned from #slackware ... and made a legit requist for assistance
[10:41] <Choubaka> f_newton: from Debian's repositories?
[10:41] <Choubaka> f_newton: Not recommended.
[10:41] <Burgundavia> f_newton, almost everything is already in the ubuntu repos, via debian
[10:41] <luminerd> what's the dif betweeen aptitude install and apt-get install?
[10:41] <PM-aSeepin> yeah remember if it werent for debian, ubuntu would be a completely different creature
[10:41] <f_newton> so far luminard with the exception of this being a debian base instead of an rpm based its a lot like fedora only more stable
[10:41] <Iceman-AMD64> not bashing debian... tried it ... just a little cumbersom for me
[10:41] <Choubaka> luminerd: well, nothing in particular
[10:41] <znh> Burgundavia: okay sorry
[10:42] <Choubaka> only aptitude installs recommended packages too by default
[10:42] <f_newton> well Ive yet to find nvu
[10:42] <Choubaka> f_newton: it's in universe I guess.
[10:42] <f_newton> I downloaded it via the nvu site but
[10:42] <f_newton> havent found it
[10:42] <Burgundavia> f_newton, not in hoary
[10:42] <Iceman-AMD64> just slackware and debian support seems lacking ... they expect you to be a wiz, even if your a newbie
[10:42] <Burgundavia> f_newton, it is in backports
[10:47] <luminerd> ok ummm
[10:47] <f_newton> what is backports?
[10:47] <luminerd> I am downloading Kubuntu
[10:47] <PM-aSeepin> luminerd:  aptitude tracks dependencies a lot better... when you need to uninstall an app, aptitude takes the files that came with it that are no longer being used
[10:47] <Burgundavia> !backports
[10:47] <ubotu> I heard backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[10:47] <PM-aSeepin> and gets rid of them too
[10:47] <luminerd> when I get it I'm going to aptitude install gnome-desktop?
[10:47] <guillaumeh> luminerd: aptitude keeps a log of what you do, and it uninstall unused libraries automatically
[10:47] <PM-aSeepin> it's actually kinda nice
[10:47] <luminerd> I see
[10:47] <f_newton>  I use synaptic not aptitude
[10:47] <f_newton> never seen aptitude
[10:47] <Choubaka> Hm
[10:47] <Choubaka> This all _is_ kind of confusing
[10:47] <Choubaka> :P
[10:47] <Burgundavia> f_newton, aptitude is a commandline app
[10:47] <f_newton> ah ok
[10:47] <PM-aSeepin> now does aptitude only track that shit for apps that IT installed, or does it track all installed packages?
[10:47] <f_newton> how can it track apps it didnt deal with?
[10:47] <luminerd> aptitude install gnome-desktop?
[10:47] <Choubaka> luminerd: should install gnome, iirc.
[10:47] <Draucon> does blam support atom?
[10:47] <luminerd> Choubaka, thanks
[10:47] <ompaul> PM-aSeepin, they all (apt-get, aptitude, synaptic) all track the same packages
[10:47] <PM-aSeepin> apt keeps a log.. it could analyze it
[10:47] <Burgundavia> Draucon, not the version in hoary
[10:47] <Choubaka> luminerd: learn apt-cache search
[10:47] <Burgundavia> Choubaka, ubuntu-desktop
[10:47] <PM-aSeepin> ompaul:  but they dont all do it the same way.. aptitude does it a LOT better
[10:47] <Burgundavia> luminerd, the default install of Ubuntu already has gnome installed
[10:47] <luminerd> Choubaka, no time for learning
[10:47] <Choubaka> apt-cache search keywords <- will search for keywords
[10:47] <luminerd> Burgundavia, not kubuntu though
[10:47] <Burgundavia> luminerd, no
[10:47] <Choubaka> in the package repo.
[10:47] <PM-aSeepin> and synaptic is a front end for apt-get
[10:47] <PM-aSeepin> not much more.
[10:47] <luminerd> kubuntu's what I'm getting.
[10:47] <Burgundavia> luminerd, kubuntu and ubuntu share the same repos
[10:47] <ompaul> PM-aSeepin, they use the same base information, how it gets presented is another issue
[10:47] <Burgundavia> luminerd, you can install one and get the other by installing (k)ubuntu-desktop
[10:47] <luminerd> don't care.  I'm getting kubuntu.
[10:47] <luminerd> yea
[10:47] <luminerd> well kubuntu's nearly dl'ed already
[10:47] <luminerd> so I'll get ubuntu-desktop I guess
[10:47] <luminerd> aptitude install ubuntu-desktop?
[10:47] <luminerd> it'll search the net and whatnot?
[10:47] <Choubaka> yes
[10:47] <Burgundavia> luminerd, yes
[10:47] <Choubaka> luminerd: You'll want to edit the sources a bit.
[10:47] <Choubaka> to enable the universe
[10:47] <AvatarofVirgo> What software do I use to play DVDs in ubuntu?
[10:47] <f_newton> dang hit the wrong button that time!
[10:47] <Burgundavia> AvatarofVirgo, wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:47] <PM-aSeepin> ompaul the question was: Is aptitude capable of monitoring the installation and dependencies of packages installed by apt? And if it isn't capable of this, why not, and how hard would it be to code considering how downright handy such a feature would be?
[10:47] <Choubaka> just edit /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment the lines with universe :)
[10:47] <Choubaka> and then do aptitude update
[10:47] <Burgundavia> PM-aSeepin, aptitude uses the same backend as any of the dpkg utilities
[10:47] <Choubaka> then you'll have access to the "unsupported" packages too
[10:47] <luminerd> thanks guys
[10:47] <f_newton> nope not there
[10:47] <concept10> Burgundavia, Im wondering, if backports are official - when will I be able to search with packages.ubuntu.org
[10:47] <luminerd> Choubaka, I don't want to edit anything.
[10:49] <PM-aSeepin> Burgundavia:  yeah, but aptitude tracks dependencies differently. it also behaves a little differently
[10:49] <Choubaka> luminerd: why not? It's simple.
[10:49] <concept10> f_newton, your looking for nvu?
[10:49] <f_newton> well I apologize to you Burgundavia, my statement was rash and ill informed
[10:49] <luminerd> Choubaka, not enough time.
[10:49] <Burgundavia> concept10, I suspect that p.u.c has not yet caught up with that stuff
[10:49] <Burgundavia> f_newton, np
[10:49] <ompaul> aptitude - high-level interface to the package manager, apt-get - APT package handling utility -- command-line interface - they are different fronts to the same back if you want a bad way to explain it
[10:49] <f_newton> via the repo yes concept10
[10:49] <Choubaka> luminerd: That edit takes about 5 seconds :P
[10:49] <luminerd> wednesday morning dude.  5am.  that gives me like, what...almost exactly 1 day to work on this
[10:49] <luminerd> ok
[10:49] <PM-aSeepin> okay, you're missing the point
[10:49] <f_newton> I already have the tar.bz2
[10:49] <luminerd> well
[10:49] <PM-aSeepin> nevermind
[10:49] <luminerd> 5 seconds I can afford
[10:49] <luminerd> lol
[10:49] <concept10> i dont think nvu 1.0 is in the repos
[10:49] <f_newton> its not
[10:49] <ompaul> PM-aSeepin, is your point that aptitude will install more per package requested?
[10:49] <Choubaka> luminerd: 1 day is plenty. :)
[10:49] <PM-aSeepin> did anybody else get the point?
[10:49] <PM-aSeepin> no
[10:51] <f_newton> but  to answer the wine vs crossover question... I have to run publisher and publisher runs like crap in wine without the crossover proprietary stuff
[10:51] <PM-aSeepin> my point is if i install package a and it installs packages b, c, d, e, & f... aptitude, when removing package a, will also remove the rest if nothing else depends ont hem.. apt will remove package a
[10:51] <c3101> ompaul, aptitude uses libapt-pkg to perform it's functions, it recognisez all the dependencies as apt does
[10:51] <f_newton> apt does what now?
[10:51] <luminerd> gtg bbl thanks
[10:51] <PM-aSeepin> what i would like to see aptitude do is be able to provide the kind of removal system it does for things that were not installed via aptitude
[10:51] <f_newton> I need to start using aptitude?
[10:51] <f_newton> instead of apt-get?
[10:51] <Choubaka> f_newton: you don't need to
[10:51] <PM-aSeepin> (I still use apt-get, but i would start using aptitude for all my removals if it worked like that)
[10:51] <f_newton> I dont remove much
[10:51] <f_newton> but I do clean all a lot
[10:51] <Superfrog> hi i have  aproblem with my wlan, i use ndiswrapper to wrap my windows "siemens usb adapter 54 driver"  and it works BUT from time to time  my wlan goes offline and my keyboard or my mouse doesn'T work , does anybody have same expereances?
[10:53] <PM-aSeepin> whoa
[10:53] <PM-aSeepin> that's gotta suck
[10:53] <Superfrog> yup
[10:53] <c3101> sounds crappy
[10:53] <Seveas> PM-aSeepin, aptitude removes unneeded dependencies indeed
[10:53] <Seveas> PM-aSeepin, and debfoster can clean things up for you if you didn't use aptitude :)
[10:53] <PM-aSeepin> Seveas:  ones that were installed by apt?
[10:53] <Seveas> yup
[10:53] <PM-aSeepin> aptitude does trackt hem then?
[10:53] <PM-aSeepin> or at least looks at how they got there
[10:53] <PM-aSeepin> and takes the rest away as well?
[10:53] <Determinist> any decent menu editor for gnome that's stable and works?
[10:53] <Seveas> hmm, I meant debfoster there, but i'm pretty sure aptitude does that too (it builds the dependency graph every time)
[10:53] <ompaul> PM-aSeepin, this is your point I think,  http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=111649
[10:57] <concept10> f_newton, do you have crossover office?
[10:57] <PM-aSeepin> ah, thats what iw anted to clarify, Seveas .. wouldnt that be a nice feature though.. doesnt seem like it would be too hard.. installation records are kept forever (until the package is removed, at least), right?
[10:57] <Seveas> if you install with aptitude :)
[10:57] <PM-aSeepin> blah
[10:57] <Seveas> the Ubuntu installer (when you install the system) uses aptitude too :)
[10:57] <PM-aSeepin> old habits die hard
[10:57] <Seveas> true
[10:57] <Choubaka> just alias aptitude as apt-get
[10:57] <Seveas> i had to alias apt-get='echo Use aptitude!!' to get used to it :)
[10:57] <PM-aSeepin> heh
[10:57] <PM-aSeepin> but i like apt-get
[10:57] <Seveas> Choubaka, that won't help, you still type apt-get :)
[10:57] <PM-aSeepin> i know my way around it
[10:57] <PM-aSeepin> pretty well
[10:57] <Seveas> PM-aSeepin, aptitude does pretty much the same and more
[10:57] <Seveas> aptitude install packagename
[10:57] <Seveas> aptitude remove packagename
[10:57] <Seveas> aptitude purge packagename
[10:57] <Seveas> etc...
[10:57] <Choubaka> I tend to use feta though
[10:57] <Choubaka> no need for even sudo :D
[10:57] <luminerd> ok I'm off the clock :P
[10:57] <Choubaka> just feta install package :P
[10:58] <PM-aSeepin> oooh
[10:58] <ompaul> PM-aSeepin, sure if you do that alias and then do this /usr/bin/apt-get when you really want to use apt-get your karma would go up at least 2.33333. points
[10:58] <PM-aSeepin> aptitude looks kinda nice
[10:58] <luminerd> now I can talk about personal stuff....like how much I'd die for some newegg crap right now
[10:58] <Choubaka> and feta changelog package and stuff
[10:58] <davix> how do I set the cursor theme in ubuntu?
[10:58] <PM-aSeepin> didnt know it had an interface
[10:58] <Seveas> davix, install gcursor
[10:58] <Seveas> PM-aSeepin, :)
[10:58] <luminerd> anyone know a good chan for discussion of hardware?
[10:58] <Seveas> it's a bit like dselect
[10:58] <davix> tnx Seveas.
[11:00] <luminerd> guess not :/
[11:04] <f_newton> luminerd, heres something
[11:04] <f_newton> ubuntu seems to handle hardware better
[11:04] <luminerd> huh?
[11:04] <c3101> just got e17 going on ubuntu
[11:04] <znh> uname without flags is extreamly detailed
[11:04] <luminerd> W00t!!!
[11:04] <luminerd> c3101, e17 R0x0rzzz
[11:04] <f_newton> stuff that gives you problems in fedora dont in ubuntu
[11:04] <Seveas> znh, :)
[11:04] <Choubaka> c3101: how much trouble was it? :D
[11:04] <luminerd> f_newton, well ok but I'm done with that topic I'm off the clock lol
[11:04] <c3101> it's wicked, just wish they had gui stuff for the config, enlightenment_remote SUCK
[11:04] <znh> c3101: watch your laungage please
[11:04] <luminerd> where can I discuss hardware...ie I found something on newegg, have a url to the piece, and want to ask if it's compatible and/or if it would work good or what people think, etc
[11:04] <c3101> not too much trouble, just get the build order for all the libs right
[11:04] <f_newton> yeah well I want you to make the right choice for your needs and I am a long time rh dude with fedora since day one
[11:04] <Choubaka> luminerd: you could check the wiki
[11:04] <f_newton> there is a good hardware list
[11:04] <luminerd> Choubaka, err...wiki of what
[11:04] <luminerd> no no no
[11:04] <luminerd> not releated to linux
[11:04] <Choubaka> Ahh.
[11:04] <cisa> hi, i try to build the linux module for the intel pro/100 VE onboard chipset. therefor i need the kernel sources and/or headers . but i can't find them by browsing the pool directory on an ubuntu mirror.
[11:04] <Choubaka> Hmm
[11:04] <luminerd> just hardware for my pc lol
[11:04] <Choubaka> No idea. :P
[11:04] <luminerd> hehe ok
[11:04] <znh> luminerd: #hardware
[11:04] <PM-aSeepin> hey what's the name of the little gnome tray thing that monitors for package upgrades and runs them through synaptic?
[11:04] <Seveas> cisa, sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[11:04] <Choubaka> gnome-update-manager or something
[11:04] <znh> Seveas: haven't I see you before in some other channel?
[11:04] <cisa> Seveas: how with no network-card :)
[11:06] <znh> cisa: how could you browse on the pool directory of a ubuntu mirror then?
[11:06] <Seveas> cisa, grab the package from a mirror, put it on usb stick etc... :)
[11:06] <cisa> Seveas: i want to build a driver for the onboard chipset
[11:06] <c3101> hmm, surely the pro100 is in the ubuntu kernel ?
[11:06] <Seveas> PM-aSeepin, dennis@mirage ~ $ apt-cache search update | grep manager
[11:06] <Seveas> update-manager - GNOME application that manages apt updates
[11:06] <znh> I have a intel pro 100, works fine :-/
[11:06] <Seveas> znh, possibly, i'm in a lot of #ubuntu channels :)
[11:06] <cisa> Seveas: but i can't find the package on an mirror
[11:06] <cisa> s/an/a/
[11:06] <Seveas> cisa, what is the output of uname -r?
[11:06] <luminerd> znh, heh, 18 ppz, it's a start, thanks :) I found #hardware on efnet has about 80 so I think I'll hang there.
[11:06] <luminerd> sweet.
[11:06] <luminerd> thanks guys
[11:06] <PM-aSeepin> found it
[11:06] <cisa> Seveas: its probably the 2.6.9 from hoary base install
[11:06] <c3101> cisa , have you tried sudo modprobe eepro100  ?
[11:06] <PM-aSeepin> just like that, too
[11:06] <PM-aSeepin> heh
[11:06] <PM-aSeepin> gmta
[11:06] <znh> luminerd: pleasure
[11:06] <Seveas> cisa, just give the output :)
[11:07] <Seveas> hmm c3101 right....
[11:07] <cisa> Seveas: i cant do it now
[11:07] <Seveas> that module indeed exists :)
[11:07] <PM-aSeepin> oh it does the most beautiful thing for sources.list
[11:08] <znh> yea.. why don't you guys believe me xD
[11:08] <cisa> c3101: hmm, no i didn't try this.
[11:08] <cisa> c3101: i really should
[11:08] <cisa> c3101: will do it now. thanks.
[11:08] <c3101> :)
[11:09] <PM-aSeepin> oooh wait
[11:09] <PM-aSeepin> most of these updates are from backports
[11:09] <PM-aSeepin> i dont know about all that
[11:10] <f_newton> is backports something like retrieving something from a previous version ?
[11:10] <PM-aSeepin> no i think its for stuff in development for future versions
[11:10] <Seveas> no
[11:10] <znh> f_newton: Or extreamly new packages that ruin your pc :-)
[11:10] <PM-aSeepin> that could be wrong though
[11:10] <Seveas> from a newer version
[11:10] <c3101> f_newton, it's like retrieving something from the next version, compiled for the current version
[11:10] <PM-aSeepin> yeah i thought so
[11:10] <f_newton> I see
[11:10] <Seveas> backports are packages for newer versions compiled to work with an older version
[11:11] <Seveas> so in the hoary-backports case: packages from breezy compiled to work with hoary
[11:11] <f_newton> well there is a deb version of nvu compiled for the kernel that ubuntu installed on the machine
[11:11] <f_newton> but I make no assumptions
[11:12] <kestas> does anyone know; is the stack frame the stack from ESP up to EBP?
[11:12] <PM-aSeepin> hrmm
[11:12] <f_newton> I have to make this servicable for my required needs or it will be a pointless, albeit enjoyable, exercise
[11:12] <Seveas> kestas, waaay off topic dude :)
[11:12] <kestas> Seveas: #asm arent biting :(
[11:12] <PM-aSeepin> aptitude update starts up a hell of a lot slower than apt-get update, heh
[11:12] <Seveas> PM-aSeepin, due to all the extra administration it does
[11:13] <Seveas> kestas, too bad, I hope for you someone in here knows...
[11:13] <f_newton> its still mucho faster then yum or up2date
[11:13] <Seveas> iAmAway, please turn of that script
[11:14] <f_newton> I thought dalnet was the only place you could play like that
[11:14] <Kev0r> morning Seveas thought bots never slept ;)
[11:14] <Seveas> Kev0r, we don't :)
[11:15] <Kev0r> you where away tonight
[11:16] <Seveas> that did not mean I was sleeping
[11:16] <Kev0r> smart ass O_o
[11:16] <Seveas> I have lots of other tasks :)
[11:16] <PM-aSeepin> your system is up to date
[11:16] <Kev0r> never heard of interrupts?
[11:16] <PM-aSeepin> werd up
[11:16] <PM-aSeepin> just have to remember to turn off backports before i run that thing
[11:17] <f_newton> I dont think I want to enable backports
[11:17] <Seveas> Kev0r, sometimes I block all interrupts for high-priority scheduled tasks :)
[11:17] <f_newton> I like a good running system
[11:17] <PM-aSeepin> that updater has a sources.list editor, but it has no option to just comment out a source, like toggle it on and off
[11:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> I'm using an apple keyboard and mouse on a standard pc :O
[11:17] <PM-aSeepin> that would be bice
[11:17] <Kev0r> Then ur mouse is not able to work
[11:17] <f_newton> and Ive already found a few .... glitches
[11:17] <cisa> ok, i tried eepro100 - it doesn't work. uname -sr says 2.6.10-5-386.
[11:17] <f_newton> nothing major at all
[11:17] <Seveas> f_newton, backports aren't guaranteed to work :)
[11:17] <f_newton> I will not use them
[11:17] <PM-aSeepin> yeah
[11:18] <PM-aSeepin> backports are kinda like keeping on the edge with fc.. only considerably more stable
[11:18] <f_newton> I still have to get publisher working on the box
[11:18] <f_newton> more stable then fc?
[11:18] <rob^> f_newton, are you using the official ones?
[11:18] <concept10> f_newton, do you have crossover?
[11:18] <Seveas> cisa, describe 'doesn't work'
[11:18] <f_newton> yes rpm
[11:18] <PM-aSeepin> than staying ont he edge with fc
[11:18] <PM-aSeepin> yes
[11:18] <f_newton> not tar
[11:18] <f_newton> crossover pro
[11:19] <PM-aSeepin> hell, this is more stable than fc, period.
[11:19] <topyli> f_newton: the only thing really worth getting from backports are the stuff in hoary-extras that are not available otherwise
[11:19] <Seveas> PM-aSeepin, :)
[11:19] <PM-aSeepin> and a hell of a lot easier to use
[11:19] <PM-aSeepin> and
[11:19] <f_newton> well all i need is crossover pro and nvu for real time site editing
[11:19] <PM-aSeepin> if you didnt catch me last time
[11:19] <PM-aSeepin> RPM SUCKS
[11:19] <cisa> Seveas: ifconfig eth0 up - no such device :)
[11:19] <f_newton> pm
[11:19] <PM-aSeepin> :D
[11:19] <f_newton> PM-aSeepin, i am not going to debate that with you
[11:19] <Seveas> PM-aSeepin, language ....
[11:20] <cisa> Seveas: and dmesg only shows generic driver informations on modprobe
[11:20] <Seveas> (you're right though :))
[11:20] <Seveas> cisa, odd
[11:20] <f_newton> personally I like the debian package system better
[11:20] <f_newton> but rpm works fine
[11:20] <Seveas> does lsmod show the module as loaded?
[11:20] <PM-aSeepin> Seveas:  sucks isnt even close to bad, ESPECIALLY when you're talking about rpm
[11:20] <cisa> Seveas: yes
[11:21] <Seveas> cisa ifconfig -a shown no extra interfaces?
[11:21] <PM-aSeepin> how much additional audio/video support would i get by recompiling xmms? won't it pretty much support everything that mplayer and kaffeine and so on do?
[11:22] <Seveas> PM-aSeepin, recompiling gives you nothing extra
[11:22] <PM-aSeepin> are there plugins for like w32codecs, libfaad2, etc?
[11:22] <Draucon> anyone use pan here
[11:23] <Seveas> raises*
[11:23] <PM-aSeepin> Draucon:  every time I cook ramen noodles
[11:23] <cisa> Seveas: didn't look at this. i have looked up intel.com for a driver and found one wich name is e100 after build. so i thought e100 from the kernel would do the job
[11:23] <Seveas> Draucon, pan is nice :)
[11:23] <Draucon> funny PM:P
[11:23] <PM-aSeepin> hey man, I try
[11:23] <Draucon> is there anyway to associate attachments with applications like in agent
[11:23] <cisa> Seveas: also i wonder why i can't find the kernel-headers on one of the ubuntu mirrors
[11:24] <Seveas> Draucon, hmm, not that I know of
[11:24] <Seveas> cisa, try modprobe e100 then :)
[11:24] <Draucon> Seveas thanks
[11:24] <Seveas> cisa, they are in the package linux-headers-something
[11:24] <PM-aSeepin> are there any newsservers out there with a full a.b that are free?
[11:24] <Seveas> where something is the output of uname -r
[11:24] <Seveas> and the are in pool/l/linux-source-2.6.10/ (for hoary)
[11:24] <Seveas> PM-aSeepin, ar you kidding? :)
[11:24] <PM-aSeepin> specifically a.b.cd.images.xbox :-D
[11:25] <f_newton> PM-aSeepin, ... usenet is a subscription service
[11:25] <PM-aSeepin> Seveas:  wishful thinking, m8
[11:25] <Seveas> :)
[11:25] <PM-aSeepin> f_newton:  not always.. there are PLENTY of newsservers that do not offer a.b that are as free as the wind itself
[11:25] <Seveas> my provider gives mee free access to giganews, that's not too bad
[11:25] <Seveas> PM-aSeepin, hehe, tru, I even run my own newsserver ;)
[11:25] <cisa> Seveas: i tried each e100 and eepro100. both didn't work. cold you give me a mirror where i can find these packages?
[11:26] <Seveas> cisa, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.10/
[11:26] <PM-aSeepin> that's right, buckaroo, you're building a kernel module
[11:27] <PM-aSeepin> you have yourself a good time with that
[11:27] <asad2k5> I have a folder in /root and configuration files in /etc and would like to create a tar file so that if extracted will put the folder and files in the right place
[11:27] <cisa> Seveas: DOH! i looked at
[11:27] <cisa> http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu/archive/
[11:27] <PM-aSeepin> asad2k5:  cheat and use ark and tll it to preserve directory structure
[11:28] <Seveas> cisa, that is just a backports archive...
[11:28] <asad2k5> PM-aSeepin, can you give command to do that
[11:28] <f_newton> lol'
[11:28] <PM-aSeepin> ark
[11:28] <cisa> Seveas: slap me please :)
[11:29] <asad2k5> PM-aSeepin, I mean directly from command line an example possible
[11:29] <Seveas> cisa, no thanks, i'm not into spanking that much ;)
[11:29] <PM-aSeepin> ark ~/newtarball.tgz
[11:29] <PM-aSeepin> i dunno
[11:29] <ompaul> Seveas, what is 'that much' in terms of quantity? :-)
[11:29] <PM-aSeepin> type ark
[11:30] <PM-aSeepin> drag directories into it from konqueror
[11:30] <PM-aSeepin> and save it as a file
[11:30] <PM-aSeepin> *shrug*
[11:30] <Seveas> ompaul, that information comes only on need-to-know basis :)
[11:30] <PM-aSeepin> from the command line i dunno... i dont do manual tarballs :D
[11:31] <cisa> Seveas: i need build-essential too?
[11:31] <Seveas> probably
[11:31] <Seveas> but that's a metapackage for gcc etc, you will need to download these separately....
[11:32] <PM-aSeepin> why?
[11:32] <cisa> Seveas: hmm, can i get a list with that packages?
[11:33] <Seveas> cisa, sure, hang on
[11:33] <PM-aSeepin> why would you need to download them seperate? I'm just curious
[11:33] <Seveas> PM-aSeepin, he has no apt
[11:33] <PM-aSeepin> oh
[11:33] <PM-aSeepin> shitty
[11:33] <PM-aSeepin> wow
[11:33] <cisa> PM-aSeepin: i want to build a driver for the network card
[11:33] <PM-aSeepin> but why do you not have apt?
[11:34] <Seveas> PM-aSeepin, no network connection :)
[11:34] <PM-aSeepin> gotchya
[11:34] <cisa> also i think i will write an article on the wiki for that card
[11:34] <PM-aSeepin> that was the missing piece
[11:34] <cisa> because its onboard in a dell inspiron 5100
[11:34] <PM-aSeepin> screw it
[11:34] <PM-aSeepin> im not taking him to court
[11:35] <PM-aSeepin> he can take himself, or his girl can take him, as long as they have the car back by 4 and they put gas in it i dont care
[11:35] <PM-aSeepin> she's actually a pretty good driver
[11:35] <PM-aSeepin> im not getting up at noon :D
[11:36] <PM-aSeepin> my wife's gonna pay for my books and cert costs for any cert or set of certs i want
[11:36] <Seveas> cisa, i'm uploading the complete set of packages now
[11:36] <PM-aSeepin> how much is linux+ and what dist does it want you to use?
[11:36] <Seveas> http://ubuntulinux.nl/~dennis/build-essential.tar.gz
[11:36] <PM-aSeepin> cause i sure as hell do not want mcse
[11:36] <Seveas> that contains all .debs
[11:37] <ompaul> PM-aSeepin, it likes RPM based distros (RH when I looked at it a couple of years ago) - look at LPI more independent certification
[11:37] <PM-aSeepin> LPI?
[11:37] <Seveas> Linux Professional Institute
[11:37] <Seveas> nice certification organization
[11:38] <Seveas> the upcoming Ubuntu Certification programme will be based on it
[11:38] <ompaul> www.lpi.org
[11:38] <cisa> Seveas: thank you. now i got the headers an build-essential. i think i can reboot and try it now, or do i need something else?
[11:38] <Seveas> it should be enough
[11:38] <PM-aSeepin> okay, now here's the deal.. i know my way around a box regardless... what certifications are more accredited by prospective employers? THAT's what Iw ant to know
[11:39] <cisa> Seveas: ok, thank you. will report the success here :)
[11:39] <cisa> bbl
[11:39] <Seveas> MCSE, RHCE, LPI
[11:39] <PM-aSeepin> cause to me certs dont mean dick, but if i want the job, i gotta gett he cert
[11:40] <Seveas> in order of usual preference
[11:40] <PM-aSeepin> why would they want mcse for *nix admins??
[11:40] <PM-aSeepin> I don't want to work on microsoft networks.. i'll happily take the drop in pay
[11:40] <concept10> General computer knowledge
[11:40] <PM-aSeepin> as long as i can make about 65k, i dont care
[11:41] <concept10> Amen.
[11:41] <PM-aSeepin> I've been *itching* to design a network, too
[11:42] <PM-aSeepin> I've got the ultimate call-center setup in my head
[11:42] <PM-aSeepin> and it's purdy
[11:42] <concept10> PM-aSeepin, the furniture setup?
[11:42] <PM-aSeepin> no, the network. See, I have worked in a couple of tech-support call centers
[11:43] <PM-aSeepin> and i know how they run
[11:43] <concept10> PM-aSeepin, jk
[11:43] <PM-aSeepin> I could put together a call-center network that would operate at 95% or better efficiency 97% or better of the time
[11:43] <PM-aSeepin> all freebsd and linux
[11:44] <PM-aSeepin> linux frontend for the callcenter floor, and freebsd ont he backend
[11:44] <siimo> anyone know how to test grub after installing it while still in the chroot ? i remember typing some command and it simulated grub starting and showed the boot menu
[11:44] <concept10> why do people change thier name to show they are away?
[11:44] <Seveas> siimo, grub
[11:44] <PM-aSeepin> especially when they're talkin, eh
[11:44] <concept10> heh
[11:44] <siimo> Seveas, that only shows the grub prompt i want to see the list of os's
[11:45] <concept10> I dont even know the command
[11:45] <PurpleMotion> what command?
[11:45] <concept10> alias change
[11:45] <PurpleMotion> heh /nick whatever
[11:45] <concept10> away name
[11:45] <PurpleMotion> there ya go
[11:46] <KiwiWiki> Hey. I've setup the wine sourceforge sources, but i see that it has no wine-utils package, and it won't install the wine from the default ubuntu repos...
[11:46] <PurpleMotion> you must be from nz
[11:46] <PurpleMotion> and i dunno, sorry
[11:46] <KiwiWiki> PurpleMotion, actually no, but I'm going there soon :)
[11:46] <KiwiWiki> so i've got kiwis on my mind :)
[11:46] <PurpleMotion> right on
[11:46] <PurpleMotion> future kiwi
[11:47] <concept10shouldb> now i cant change back
[11:47] <KiwiWiki> heheh
[11:47] <PurpleMotion> concept10shouldb:  /nick concept10
[11:49] <PurpleMotion> Seveas:  which certs can i just take the test for? like just study a book and take the test
[11:49] <Seveas> read the lpi.org site :)
[11:49] <PurpleMotion> i take it it's that one
[11:49] <KiwiWiki> btw, PurpleMotion, your nick rings a bell as well.. wasn't it the guy who wrote the music for Future Crew or something?
[11:49] <PurpleMotion> ok
[11:49] <PurpleMotion> KiwiWiki:  sure was
[11:49] <PurpleMotion> he also wrote screamtracker
[11:49] <KiwiWiki> riiight.
[11:49] <KiwiWiki> nice :)
[11:50] <KiwiWiki> cool frood, that guy.
[11:50] <PurpleMotion> thent here was a purplemotion who was a 3 time admin ond alnet
[11:50] <PurpleMotion> now he hangs out here
[11:50] <KiwiWiki> heheh
[11:51] <concept10> PurpleMotion, got sids?
[11:51] <topyli> hrm. ooo2 sure is a big download
[11:51] <PurpleMotion> sids?
[11:51] <PurpleMotion> sudden infant death syndrome?
[11:51] <ompaul> PurpleMotion, https://wall.lpi.org/en/obj_101.html tells you some stuff about LPI exam Level 1
[11:51] <concept10> nevermind
[11:52] <concept10> you still write music?
[11:52] <PurpleMotion> I never did.. at least not on a computer
[11:52] <PurpleMotion> Razor-X:  it's winter time there, eh m8?
[11:53] <concept10> what did you write on?
[11:53] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: no, I just don't feel like sleeping ;)
[11:53] <PurpleMotion> haha
[11:53] <PurpleMotion> i mean its the cold season, though,r ight?
[11:53] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: no
[11:53] <Razor-X> warm season, meh
[11:53] <PurpleMotion> wall.lpi.org is really not wanting to load for me
[11:53] <Razor-X> (i.e summer XD)
[11:53] <PurpleMotion> ah someone told me otherwise, my bad
[11:53] <pvanhoof> is the responsible for the breezy autotools env. packages here?
[11:53] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: opposite from the Southern Hemisphere, IIRC
[11:54] <Razor-X> yeah, my mpd is being stupid ;)
[11:54] <pvanhoof> and/or who should I contact if I have a question about something specific about ubuntu
[11:54] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: i'm American
[11:54] <nick3> hey, when i install ubuntu it wont let me make a user account just keeps going around in a circule. can anyone help
[11:54] <Seveas> pvanhoof, you can find out who the maintainer is by looking at the package information...
[11:54] <Razor-X> anyways, my mpd client can't connect, and when I try and run mpd with my conf file, it randomly can't read or write to db
[11:54] <Razor-X> and I can't seem to understand why
[11:54] <PurpleMotion> yaknow i always thought you were from .au
[11:55] <PurpleMotion> LOL
[11:55] <Seveas> and questions can be asked in here :)
[11:55] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: meh, no, i'm not ;)
[11:55] <PurpleMotion> lol
[11:55] <pvanhoof> Seveas, but he's not online/available?
[11:55] <PurpleMotion> thats funny
[11:55] <Seveas> pvanhoof, I don't even know who maintains them :)
[11:56] <Razor-X> and also, the daemon's open port is not in netstat
[11:56] <Razor-X> true I can stick with cplay, but what's the fun in that, no? ;)
[11:56] <linlin> i need an application that can do screen captures
[11:57] <linlin> in video form
[11:57] <linlin> like snagit on windows
[11:57] <Seveas> linlin, gnome-screenshot
[11:57] <Seveas> (or simply the [PrtScr]  button
[11:57] <Seveas> )
[11:57] <topyli> linlin: there's something that makes flash animations
[11:57] <Razor-X> Seveas: you know a console equivalent for video screen captures?
[11:57] <Seveas> nope
[11:58] <Razor-X> uggh, damn ;)
[11:58] <linlin> flash would be bad
[11:58] <Razor-X> I simple use xwd -out blah.xwd
[11:58] <linlin> i need an avi or an mpeg or someting liek that
[11:58] <Razor-X> and then convert blah.xwd blah.png
[11:58] <linlin> i need video, not a still image
[11:58] <Razor-X> but, again, that's a picture, not a video
[11:59] <topyli> linlin: i'm not aware of any
[11:59] <linlin> darn :-/
[11:59] <linlin> looks liek ill have to use vnc over to a windows machine with snagit
[12:00] <Raptoid> selamlar..
[12:00] <Razor-X> linlin: or you can use VLC
[12:00] <Razor-X> linlin: VLC can stream out your desktop -- and save the stream
[12:00] <linlin> taht would work
[12:01] <rowanjl> A quick question, why doesn't firefox install extensions? Perhaps there is a permissions issue?
[12:01] <linlin> easy to use?
[12:01] <Razor-X> linlin: here you go
[12:01] <Razor-X> something made just for your purpose
[12:01] <Razor-X> xvidcap
[12:01] <linlin> jsut found that on freshmeat :)
[12:01] <Razor-X> anyways, night
[12:01] <topyli> linlin: vncrec + transcode magic: http://linuxgazette.net/102/washko.html
[12:02] <linlin> but i wanted to avoid vnc cause of the slowness, i want it so be fluent nice looking video
[12:02] <PurpleMotion> frig
[12:03] <PurpleMotion> they had to include vi
[12:03] <topyli> linlin: ah
[12:03] <PurpleMotion> i hate vi
[12:03] <linlin> thanks though :)
[12:03] <Mastaki|lah> anyone. answer my question?
[12:03] <keyes> hello, i've actived "xcompmgr -c" at gnome start, it's works fine but any windows (like firefox or xchat) in full size mode is covering the gnome-panel
[12:03] <topyli> PurpleMotion: if there's a machine without vi, the world will come to an end
[12:03] <keyes> does anyone have an issue for that ?
[12:03] <topyli> not that i like it much either
[12:03] <PurpleMotion> heh
[12:03] <PurpleMotion> yeah
[12:03] <Seveas> Mastaki|lah, i've seen no question yet :)
[12:03] <PurpleMotion> definately outlived its usefulness
[12:04] <nick3> well i guess im not going to get any help here i may as well just install debian
[12:04] <topyli> it's just that when you walk to a box, you'll know there'll be vi
[12:04] <Mastaki|lah> I have 2 HDDs in c i have win xp pro. and i would like to instal ubuntu linux to this HDD. Can it be done without formatting or losing any data from the disc in question.
[12:04] <Razor-X> hehe
[12:04] <Razor-X> qtorrent kicks ass
[12:05] <Razor-X> Azureus was slow, nice download speed, but hogged my system
[12:05] <linlin> same here, even on windows
[12:05] <rowanjl> So nobody has had any trouble with firefox not installing extensions?
[12:05] <PurpleMotion> okay so all this i just read about the lpi still didnt answer my question, heh.. can i just study up and take the test or do i have to take a class?
[12:05] <f_newton> that brings up the question in my mind about ubuntu and software raid sata
[12:05] <Razor-X> qtorrent... mmmm, 110 k/s down, 0 k/s up
[12:05] <topyli> nick3: you have a ten-minute patience
[12:05] <Razor-X> ;)
[12:05] <linlin> rowanjl, what extentions
[12:05] <rowanjl> Web developer and Adblock
[12:05] <Seveas> Mastaki|lah, nope
[12:06] <Seveas> you will need to create empty partitions for linux
[12:06] <PurpleMotion> okay, found that part
[12:06] <Harlin> <- first time install of Ubuntu (Mandriva user), installing on VMWare
[12:06] <PurpleMotion> i can just take the test
[12:06] <Seveas> so if you want to keep your data: move it somewhere else or shrink the partition
[12:06] <PurpleMotion> now to figure out how much it costs
[12:06] <rowanjl> Now if only I could place your name :P
[12:06] <topyli> rowanjl: the mediaplayerconnectivity plugin fails here with ff 1.0.6
[12:06] <nick3> topyli more like 3 days of getting no help at all
[12:06] <Harlin> it seems to take a long time to install Ubuntu (5.04), any reason for that?
[12:06] <linlin> Harlin, your noing it on vmware
[12:06] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, quite a bit :)
[12:07] <Seveas> Harlin, vmware is slow...
[12:07] <rowanjl> topyli, I think this is a general issue with permissions, Firefox doesn't even give an error
[12:07] <linlin> **doing
[12:07] <Mastaki|lah> ok. i might burn the data to dvds but its a really big number of dvds im gonna need.. tnx anyway
[12:07] <topyli> nick3: maybe you have a weird problem and no-one here has seen it. try the mailing lists
[12:07] <PurpleMotion> a hundred dollars a test is a lot of money?
[12:07] <PurpleMotion> pfft
[12:07] <PurpleMotion> i know what im doing for the next couple months
[12:07] <Harlin> linlin Seveas... not on my box, it usually isnt... then again perhaps slow is a relative term :)
[12:07] <spiral> I have a mail problem - my mail server emails some addresses just fine (like my gmail account), but does not successfuly email other servers (like my yahoo account).  What could be the problem?
[12:07] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, hmm, I thought it was more expensive than that :)
[12:07] <PurpleMotion> im tired of being broke
[12:07] <PurpleMotion> im getting certified
[12:07] <PurpleMotion> and getting a friggen job
[12:07] <linlin> Mastaki|lah, maybe you could transfer the data to another machine on your lan?
[12:08] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, good attitude :)
[12:08] <f_newton> lol Ive been certifiable for years...
[12:08] <f_newton> oh wait thats not what you mean is it?
[12:08] <PurpleMotion> hey, i havent had a cigarette in fifteen days, either
[12:08] <PurpleMotion> *uNF*
[12:08] <rowanjl> I'm a certified couch potato
[12:08] <nick3> topyli i have found others with the problem but no real answers
[12:08] <linlin> crap...that xvidcap wont compile
[12:08] <f_newton> congratulations PurpleMotion
[12:08] <Harlin> wouldnt waste my time on certifications.. very useless
[12:08] <PurpleMotion> ty
[12:08] <spiral> why don't you just give up trying to give up
[12:08] <Madpilot> PurpleMotion: well, not buy cigs will pay for a lot of exams - congrats
[12:08] <PurpleMotion> Harlin:  you need them to get a job. period.
[12:08] <Madpilot> *buying
[12:08] <spiral> embrace your addiction..your identity
[12:08] <f_newton> said like a true holder of certs trying to keep others from getting them too
[12:09] <Mastaki|lah> Unfortunately there is no other comps on LAN. But i found a solution.
[12:09] <Harlin> PurpleMotion: i have 1 (A+) and that's it. Ive been in the field for about 7 years
[12:09] <rowanjl> Bleh back later, downloading stuff
[12:09] <Harlin> PurpleMotion: my cert did nothing for me
[12:09] <PurpleMotion> yup, and EVERYBODY requires A+, even though the cert is 100% shite
[12:09] <PurpleMotion> but without it you cant even get a lowly tech position
[12:09] <Harlin> PurpleMotion: most of the people where i work dont have any cers
[12:09] <f_newton> yes but it keeps testtaker in bologna and cheese
[12:09] <Harlin> certs*
[12:10] <PurpleMotion> where do you work? I need a job.
[12:10] <PurpleMotion> cause i have YEARS of real world experience
[12:10] <Harlin> PurpleMotion: you have any experience?
[12:10] <cisa> Seveas: ok, installation worked. i build the driver - doesn't work :(
[12:10] <Harlin> PurpleMotion: professional experience?
[12:10] <PurpleMotion> a couple years. but nothing in any one specialization
[12:10] <Random_Sindrom> <== need a job too
[12:11] <PurpleMotion> that's where having a cert or two would be nice
[12:11] <Harlin> PurpleMotion: looks like its desktop support world for you ;)
[12:11] <f_newton> lol I need a better job
[12:11] <spiral> I have a mail problem - my mail server emails some addresses just fine (like my gmail account), but does not successfuly email other *addresses* (like my yahoo account).  What could be the problem?
[12:11] <Madpilot> has this turning into #linux-jobhunting suddenly? ;)
[12:11] <Harlin> PurpleMotion: what area of the world you live in?
[12:11] <PurpleMotion> Harlin:  not if i get these certs... i guarantee they'll land me a sysadmin or sysop position
[12:11] <PurpleMotion> ohio, usa
[12:11] <PurpleMotion> they just look all kinds of official, heh
[12:11] <Harlin> PurpleMotion: good luck, i really hope it works like that for you
[12:12] <Random_Sindrom> better that #linux-do-nothing
[12:12] <Harlin> PurpleMotion: what would be your ideal (realistic) job you would like to do?
[12:12] <Madpilot> Random_Sindrom: heh. right now it's #ubuntu-0315-and-time-to-crash for me...
[12:12] <PurpleMotion> I want to build call-center networks.
[12:12] <PurpleMotion> I have a knack for large-scale user networks
[12:12] <Harlin> PurpleMotion: what kind of jobs have you done in the past?
[12:13] <topyli> by popular (i.e. topyli's) demand, breezy's default theme should be clearlooks-gperfection :)
[12:13] <Harlin> PurpleMotion: in field i mean
[12:13] <Razor-X> by popular demand, breezy Kubuntu's default theme should be Plastik Lipstik ;)
[12:14] <T_T_T_T_T> hi everyone
[12:14] <T_T_T_T_T> help
[12:14] <PurpleMotion> call center support, system administration, it director (small company, more like it department), lead technician, liason to corporate clients, in-depth troubleshooting (things other techs could not fix), city-wide school system network upgrade
[12:14] <Random_Sindrom> hi T_T_T..
[12:14] <PurpleMotion> umm
[12:14] <Madpilot> clearlooks is good
[12:14] <PurpleMotion> lots of stuff.
[12:14] <Harlin> PurpleMotion: all this in two years?
[12:15] <Harlin> PurpleMotion: should be able to write your own ticket with no certs
[12:15] <PurpleMotion> nah, more like ten, but there's a lot of stuff i wouldn't list on a resume.. only about two years worth
[12:16] <PurpleMotion> some stuff i wouldnt list cause i was learning as i went, some stuff because things went sideways, and two because the company just don't exist anymore
[12:16] <Belutz> ???
[12:16] <Madpilot> !ops
[12:16] <ubotu> Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, fooishbar, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmich, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia!
[12:16] <dArtagnan> time to hide join and part events
[12:17] <Belutz> !ops
[12:17] <gotier> !ops
[12:17] <linlin> assholes...
[12:17] <f_newton> lol
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[12:17] <PurpleMotion> like 3 people have yelled ops, i doubt we need to do it again
[12:17] <PurpleMotion> this is about lame anyways
[12:17] <Random_Sindrom> woman an children first!!!
[12:17] <linlin> XD
[12:17] <topyli> Madpilot: gPerfection makes clearlooks even more gPerfect. :) check: http://siltala.net/comp/Hoary-desktop.jpg
[12:17] <PurpleMotion> git em
[12:17] <Seveas> sorry for the delay
[12:18] <f_newton> its happening on fedora too
[12:18] <linlin> how lame do you get...
[12:18] <chrissturm> whats +r?
[12:18] <linlin> regged nicks only
[12:18] <chrissturm> cool
[12:18] <PurpleMotion> damnt hat looks good
[12:19] <cisa> Seveas: any idea?
[12:19] <Madpilot> topyli: very nice. will have to check gnome-look for gPerfection
[12:19] <f_newton> thats the same butthead that did that over in another channel a few weeks ago
[12:19] <PurpleMotion> i mean that looks really good
[12:19] <PurpleMotion> but i still like this humanized-grover look
[12:19] <PurpleMotion> kinda sorta
[12:19] <topyli> Madpilot: yeah. search for gperfection and find the wallpaper and firefox theme as well :)
[12:20] <PurpleMotion> more like a warm-noia-earthy-grover
[12:20] <PurpleMotion> it's pretty thats for sure
[12:20] <Madpilot> I like clearlooks - I'm a sucker for rounded corners...
[12:20] <PurpleMotion> im the same with reverse bevels
[12:20] <f_newton> if they are rounded they arent corners
[12:21] <PurpleMotion> especially with inset 3d buttons
[12:21] <PurpleMotion> *uNF*
[12:21] <Madpilot> f_newton: pedant ;)
[12:21] <f_newton> lol
[12:21] <Belutz> hungry
[12:21] <f_newton> me too
[12:21] <Belutz> apt-get pizza
[12:21] <PurpleMotion> Seveas:  so two hundred bucks for these two certs... not bad.. any chance of a study guide with a sample test cd?
[12:22] <PurpleMotion> if so, ill buy it this friday, and take the first test int wo weeks
[12:22] <ompaul> PurpleMotion, https://wall.lpi.org/en/obj_101.html
[12:22] <ompaul> that is level one
[12:22] <Michi^BG2> hello :)
[12:22] <PurpleMotion> yes, i know
[12:22] <Jemt> Hi Michi^BG2
[12:22] <Michi^BG2> any germans experts here? *g* i need one
[12:22] <PurpleMotion> i want an all-in-one study guide
[12:23] <PurpleMotion> designed for the test
[12:23] <Seveas> Michi^BG2, #ubuntu-de :)
[12:23] <PurpleMotion> that system works _well_
[12:23] <Michi^BG2> thx^^
[12:23] <topyli> Michi^BG2: try #ubuntu-de
[12:23] <topyli> hf
[12:24] <Harlin> im trying to do: apt-get install bzflag but get return saying there is no package named bzflag... i just did a standard install, is there anything else i need to have to get this to work?
[12:25] <Random_Sindrom> some web page about breezy features?
[12:25] <PurpleMotion> heh, Linux Cramsession for LPI Part 1
[12:25] <PurpleMotion> $40.99
[12:25] <PurpleMotion> *uNF*
[12:25] <Seveas> Random_Sindrom, udu.wiki.ubuntu.com
[12:25] <Madpilot> anyone else having trouble getting to http://gnome-look.org/?
[12:25] <PurpleMotion> hundred and fifty bucks per test
[12:25] <Seveas> Madpilot, seems to be down indeed
[12:25] <Jemt> Madpilot: Yep
[12:25] <PurpleMotion> O'Reilley LPI Linux Certification In A Nutshell
[12:25] <Madpilot> glad it's not just me. will try again tomorrow
[12:26] <Jemt> Madpilot: ^^
[12:26] <Seveas> Madpilot, the thing does not even respond to pings :)
[12:26] <Madpilot> Seveas: wow, it's all the way down...
[12:26] <floppyears> hi
[12:26] <daydreamis> hi
[12:27] <floppyears> does dsl also use nic cards to setup or does it use a modem
[12:27] <floppyears> sorry if the question is too dumb :(
[12:27] <Seveas> floppyears, depends on your provider....
[12:27] <Jemt> flodine: Well, actually you need a DSL modem - which is connected to a NIC or a Switch
[12:27] <Seveas> mine (demon) gives me a modem that takes care of the dsl bit, so I need just DHCP
[12:27] <c3101> mine uses modem
[12:27] <Jemt> floppyears: : Well, actually you need a DSL modem - which is connected to a NIC or a Switch
[12:27] <Jemt> flodine: Sorry, not for you :)
[12:28] <Seveas> other give you a modem that you connect to via a somple nic and use PPPOE on top of it
[12:28] <Jemt> floppyears: The setup can be like this :  phone-line > DSL modem > Router > Switch > PC   OR   phone-line > DSL modem > PC
[12:28] <PurpleMotion> but like 99.9999% of dsl modems are capable of logging you into the system and keeping your connection alive and up 24/7
[12:28] <floppyears> thank you guys
[12:29] <Jemt> floppyears: no problem :)
[12:29] <Harlin> how does one install a local .deb package?
[12:29] <mjr> Harlin, dpkg -i
[12:29] <Seveas> dpkg -i filename.deb
[12:29] <PurpleMotion> Harlin:  dpkg -i package.deb
[12:30] <PurpleMotion> but you might want to --no-act it first to see how it's going to behave
[12:30] <topyli> "wajig install foo.deb" will also solve dependencies :)
[12:31] <Harlin> PurpleMotion: how come i cant get bzflag when i do apt-get install?
[12:31] <PurpleMotion> what do you mean?
[12:31] <Harlin> when i do: apt-get install bzflag, i get no package named bzflag
[12:31] <Harlin> i tried bzflag2
[12:31] <PurpleMotion> Date: Tue Aug 02 Time: 06:31:29
[12:31] <PurpleMotion> {jay@psilocybin (~)}:$ dpkg -l bzflag
[12:31] <PurpleMotion> No packages found matching bzflag.
[12:31] <PurpleMotion> lemme check
[12:31] <Harlin> yeah
[12:31] <PurpleMotion> apt-cache search bzflag
[12:32] <Jemt> Harlin: Try searching for it : apt-cache search bzflag
[12:32] <PurpleMotion> {jay@psilocybin (~)}:$ apt-cache search bzflag
[12:32] <PurpleMotion> bzflag - a 3D first person tank battle game
[12:32] <PurpleMotion> bzflag-server - bzfs - BZFlag game server and proxy
[12:32] <PurpleMotion> do you have universe and multiverse?
[12:32] <Jemt> Harlin: Seems that it exist in the Universe or Multiverse or Extras
[12:32] <flodine> anyone on openbox?
[12:33] <PurpleMotion> i looked at openbox.. didnt look bad at all
[12:33] <Jemt> Harlin: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[12:33] <Harlin> hmm
[12:33] <PurpleMotion> !ubuntuguide
[12:33] <ubotu> I guess ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[12:33] <flodine> it work good
[12:33] <Harlin> not liking this so far
[12:34] <PurpleMotion> !repositories
[12:34] <ubotu> methinks repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto, or repos
[12:34] <turkuaz> !ubuntuguide
[12:34] <Harlin> no default support for GLX
[12:34] <Harlin> not good
[12:34] <Seveas> Harlin, did you ever edit /etc/apt/sources.list?
[12:34] <PurpleMotion> between those two, you should be able to get it figured out
[12:34] <Harlin> Seveas, no i didnt
[12:34] <Harlin> i have to edit this file by hand?
[12:34] <Harlin> hand editing... bad
[12:34] <Tomcat_> Harlin: Nah, you can do that with synaptic.
[12:34] <Seveas> Harlin, sudo wget http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/?download=38 -O /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:34] <Harlin> hmm
[12:34] <Seveas> that gives you the complete sources.list for hoary
[12:35] <Harlin> looks like thumbs down on this
[12:35] <PurpleMotion> thumbs down because you have to edit a file?
[12:35] <Harlin> still not ready for prime time
[12:35] <PurpleMotion> wow
[12:35] <Harlin> yeah for something like setting up sources
[12:35] <Harlin> Mandriva, you dont have to do that
[12:35] <Seveas> Harlin, and GLX by default is impossible since only the proprietary drivers provide that
[12:35] <Harlin> or even Yum for that matter
[12:35] <flodine> anyone have fbpager up
[12:35] <PurpleMotion> you're actually comparing ubuntu to mandriva?
[12:36] <Harlin> Seveas: Mandriva does this
[12:36] <Seveas> Harlin, and you can set the repositories in the package manager too, there is a good reason the universe repository is not on by default
[12:36] <PurpleMotion> hey Tomcat_ , i know you from dalnet, dont i
[12:36] <Harlin> true Seveas
[12:36] <topyli> Harlin: it's easier on the command line on mandrake too :)
[12:36] <Seveas> Harlin, then go with mandriva if you like it better :)
[12:36] <Harlin> topyli: exactly
[12:36] <Harlin> Seveas: oh i prob will
[12:36] <PurpleMotion> have fun with that
[12:37] <topyli> Harlin: anyway, it's not something you're supposed to be doing all the time
[12:37] <Jemt> Harlin: I switched from Mandrake (now Mandriva) to Ubuntu because of the lack of updates
[12:37] <Harlin> Seveas: nonetheless, when Ubuntu gets these things in, ill be more apt to get back into it, i like the concept although i am not a "we are the world" type
[12:37] <Harlin> Jemt: how long ago?
[12:37] <poningru> what exactly is the prob?
[12:37] <ma3x> Why is ubuntu so slow? (KDE)
[12:37] <Seveas> Harlin, GLX on by default will not happen soon unless the open source drivers support it...
[12:38] <Harlin> Seveas: yeah but it is on Mandriva
[12:38] <ma3x> when I open a browser or start the task manager, it takes like 10 seconds
[12:38] <PurpleMotion> im not a we are the world type either, but i'll tell you what once anyone gets under the hood of ubuntu who knows their shit, they're gonna love it..
[12:38] <floppyears> I have a questions why does ubuntu every so often merge changes with debian ?
[12:38] <topyli> Harlin: you can edit the sources with a gui just as well
[12:38] <Xyc0> ma3x: be more descriptive, ubuntu is very fast for me
[12:38] <Tomcat_> PurpleMotion: No, the nick is pretty often used nowadays... when I saw your nick I thought "Hey I know you from the demoscene", but then your realname and location don't match. :)
[12:38] <Jemt> Harlin: About two weeks ago. But ok, I have been used to Debian clones as I have been using Knoppix earlier
[12:38] <poningru> someone kick this idiot
[12:38] <Seveas> floppyears, because the debian packages update too :)
[12:38] <Harlin> topyli: true but i just prefer URPM more that's all
[12:38] <XYTTY> hi
[12:38] <PurpleMotion> Tomcat_:  lol.. well the fellow on dalnet even had the trailing _
[12:38] <Seveas> poningru, language...
[12:38] <poningru> this is not a place where we have flame wars
[12:38] <topyli> Harlin: ok then
[12:38] <Harlin> kick someone because they dont like your distro?
[12:38] <Harlin> that's silly
[12:38] <XYTTY> Are you french?
[12:38] <Seveas> Harlin, true :)
[12:38] <Tomcat_> PurpleMotion: Heh... necessary when there's already "Tomcat" nicks everywhere. :I
[12:38] <Seveas> that's not going to happen
[12:38] <Harlin> no, not french
[12:39] <poningru> Harlin: dude its because its interfearing with the support channel
[12:39] <PurpleMotion> heh i guess so
[12:39] <Random_Sindrom> Let Harlin go
[12:39] <Xyc0> don't feed the trolls
[12:39] <Jemt> Harlin: apt-get is just as good as URPM* actually. All you need to do is to setup the source list. If you want, I can help you
[12:39] <floppyears> Seveas: it seems that ubuntu has succeded where debian has failed, so why bother with debian ?
[12:39] <topyli> bah
[12:39] <Harlin> im not a troll
[12:39] <PurpleMotion> hes not a troll, hes just lazy
[12:39] <Harlin> Jemt: ok, im willing to listen
[12:39] <ma3x> Xyc0: it's somehow very slow, if you go to the display preferences to change the background, it takes about 10-20 seconds, only to preview it in the little window
[12:39] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, ....
[12:39] <PurpleMotion> he wants to click everything
[12:39] <PurpleMotion> what?
[12:39] <Harlin> not necessarily PurpleMotion
[12:39] <ma3x> Xyc0: I have a GIG of ram, and a swap partition. Should I delete the swap partition?
[12:39] <Xyc0> ma3x: How much memory do you have?
[12:39] <Hoxzer> where is the ubuntu's recyler located?
[12:39] <Seveas> Hoxzer, ~/.Trash
[12:39] <Xyc0> ma3x: neg
[12:39] <Harlin> PurpleMotion: id like it if i didnt' have to do any pecking or clicking :D
[12:40] <ma3x> Xyc0: What means neg?
[12:40] <Jemt> Harlin: Or even give you my source list along with instructions to install it. I'll make it public available so that people in here can see that I'm not trying to make you install some crappy source list.
[12:40] <PurpleMotion> Harlin:  how many boxes do you administer?
[12:40] <Xyc0> ma3x: negative, no
[12:40] <Hoxzer> for some reason I can't see it in down of the screen
[12:40] <Harlin> Jemt: that sounds very good
[12:40] <ma3x> Xyc0: what is then the problem?
[12:40] <Harlin> Jemt: give me the details and ill be happy to give it a go
[12:40] <Xyc0> ma3x: is it just the webbrowser? or other programs too?
[12:40] <Seveas> Jemt, I already gave him the list of all official repos :)
[12:40] <Jemt> Harlin: Sure, just a sec :)
[12:40] <Seveas> !source
[12:40] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, Seveas
[12:40] <Seveas> hmm
[12:40] <Seveas> !repositories
[12:40] <ubotu> I guess repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto, or repos
[12:41] <PurpleMotion> i think its sources as well
[12:41] <PurpleMotion> !sources
[12:41] <ma3x> Xyc0: every program runs slow
[12:41] <ubotu> from memory, sources is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[12:41] <Seveas> !repos
[12:41] <ubotu> well, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[12:41] <Random_Sindrom> Hoxze.. there is a applet in the panel
[12:41] <PurpleMotion> yup
[12:41] <Jemt> Seveas: Oh, ok. Then he'll be fine. Harlin: Have you recieved Seveas' source list ?
[12:41] <Xyc0> ma3x: Did you install drivers for your card?
[12:41] <Jemt> Harlin: If you have: 1) Start a terminal : Applications > System Tools > Terminal
[12:41] <Xyc0> ma3x: video card* sorry
[12:42] <ma3x> Xyc0: it's like if I close some window, it doesn't close instantly, but it displays the closing action, and takes about 1-2 secs
[12:42] <Hoxzer> Random: I cant see it
[12:42] <Seveas> Jemt, I gave him the easy one-liner :)
[12:42] <Seveas>  sudo wget http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/?download=38 -O /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:42] <PurpleMotion> and you never did tell me how many boxes you administer that you're so worried about how many things you're going to have to manually click or edit
[12:42] <Jemt> Seveas: Great :)
[12:42] <ma3x> Xyc0: they should be automatically installed, since I have tested glxgears
[12:42] <Jemt> Harlin: Are you still with me ? :)
[12:42] <Hoxzer> only thing I see is that speaker
[12:42] <ma3x> Xyc0: and I tried tuxracer, it was fine
[12:42] <Xyc0> ma3x: what kind of processor?
[12:43] <Jemt> Tuxracer rox :)
[12:43] <Xyc0> he he
[12:43] <ma3x> Xyc0: Intel IV M
[12:43] <Hoxzer> how do I empty trash if it isn't in panel? :E
[12:43] <ma3x> 2,4 GHz
[12:43] <Harlin> yeah
[12:43] <Jemt> Hoxzer: Just add it :)
[12:43] <Harlin> still here
[12:43] <Seveas> Hoxzer, rm ~/.Trash/*
[12:43] <topyli> ah. who needs local music when we have soma fm? :)
[12:43] <ompaul> that backports tinyurl in the topic ain't working from here
[12:43] <Hoxzer> Jemt: how?
[12:44] <PurpleMotion> cause i promise you i can write a series of scripts that updates network-wide (you only make one change) via nfs :) probably take me about a day to put the whole thing together and make you a completely automated install cd
[12:44] <ma3x> Xyc0:  I just tried out tuxracer and it doesn't run very smoothly either. Not like ppracer used on the previous ubuntu install
[12:44] <PurpleMotion> for your workstations
[12:44] <Jemt> Hoxzer: Rightclick on your panel > Add to panel. Find the trash and use the Add button
[12:44] <Xyc0> ma3x: hmmm, what kinda laptop, im on a dell right now with close to the same specs
[12:44] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, too much work
[12:44] <PurpleMotion> they'll automagically update themselves
[12:44] <Harlin> ok, thanks for the help
[12:44] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, you need PXE install :)
[12:44] <Harlin> see you all
[12:44] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, i wrote this: wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOnCluster
[12:44] <PurpleMotion> Seveas:  for a large network, there's nothing better than doing it yourself :)
[12:44] <PurpleMotion> I'll have a look
[12:44] <Seveas> and am successfully operating a cluster with it :)
[12:45] <ma3x> Xyc0: HP what other specifics should I say?
[12:45] <Xyc0> no thats fine
[12:45] <Xyc0> ma3x: did you install kubuntu or ubuntu then installed kde?
[12:45] <ma3x> Xyc0: I installed kubuntu directly
[12:46] <Oniano|iBook> does it matter which version of gcc u use to compile the kernel?
[12:46] <Oniano|iBook> i'm using 4.02
[12:46] <Oniano|iBook> and i'm getting some compiler errors
[12:47] <Oniano|iBook> and wondering if it's because i'm using a particular version of gcc
[12:47] <chrissturm> Oniano|iBook, i think compiling the kernel  is only supported with gcc 3.4
[12:47] <Oniano|iBook> ok
[12:47] <Seveas> Oniano|iBook, why on earth do you compile the kernel yourself and not follow the instructions?
[12:48] <Seveas> Oniano|iBook: You can find compilation instructions on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto
[12:48] <ompaul> !skype
[12:48] <ubotu> well, skype is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/
[12:48] <Seveas> and indeed kernel + gcc4 is a no-go
[12:48] <PurpleMotion> Seveas:  wouldnt /etc/init.d/nis stop be just as easy?
[12:48] <topyli> ahh... OOo2 finally uses ~/.openoffice.org2 for keeping my settings
[12:49] <Xyc0> ma3x: Is this something that happened recently or since you installed kubuntu?
[12:49] <ma3x> Xyc0: it was fine when I installed it
[12:49] <Xyc0> ma3x: IE.  Did you change or install something
[12:49] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, in which step?
[12:49] <tikka> anyone have experience with installing e17 from cvs?
[12:49] <PurpleMotion> whichever
[12:50] <c3101> just did it tikka :)
[12:50] <ma3x> Java, mozilla, firefox and upgraded
[12:50] <Xyc0> ma3x: something you installed is causeing problems, and I have an itchy feeling it is your video drivers
[12:50] <tikka> sexual
[12:50] <ma3x> Xyc0: But I haven't installed any video drivers
[12:50] <c3101> erm, no, just e17
[12:50] <MyKq3> hello i m trying to install Epiphany Web Browser on Ubuntu 5.04
[12:50] <tikka> lol
[12:50] <ma3x> Plus I have the feeling it's the cpu or ram
[12:50] <MyKq3> and i resove lots of err
[12:51] <ma3x> Xyc0: One moment please, I will try to restart KDE
[12:51] <Xyc0> MyKq3: how are you trying to install it?
[12:51] <ma3x> and update respectively
[12:51] <Xyc0> rgr
[12:51] <Seveas> MyKq3, apt should install it without errors...
[12:51] <MyKq3> dpkg -i Xyc0
[12:51] <Seveas> MyKq3, where dod you get the .deb file from?
[12:51] <Seveas> manually downloading .deb files is a bad idea, there is apt to do that for you
[12:52] <MyKq3> from the offical site of Epiphany Web Browser
[12:52] <Xyc0> MyKq3: sudo apt-get install epiphany-browser
[12:52] <Seveas> MyKq3, probably a bad idea
[12:52] <Seveas> follow Xyc0s advice
[12:52] <Xyc0> MyKq3: run that in your terminal
[12:52] <tikka> c3101,  did you do it by hand or use a script?
[12:52] <MyKq3> Xyc0,  yeah but o want to install Epiphany Web Browser 1.7.3 and not 1
[12:52] <MyKq3> 1.6.1 **
[12:52] <Seveas> MyKq3, i'm guessing that that will need much newer libraries...
[12:53] <c3101> tikka, by hand
[12:53] <Seveas> so don't :)
[12:53] <Xyc0> MyKq3: then you need to find the ubuntu packages, not the debian
[12:53] <MyKq3> =\ hummm
[12:53] <Xyc0> MyKq3: or compile it from source
[12:53] <tikka> c3101, save this for ur next build.. i just stumbled on it when looking for the cvs password (i cant believe i didnt try return ahah)  http://contribs.martymac.com/e17/make_e17
[12:53] <MyKq3> thanks ppl i think i will wait for the next Ubuntu version  =\
[12:53] <MyKq3> =] *
[12:54] <Seveas> MyKq3, or try this: first install from apt and THEN do dpkg -i on the newer version
[12:54] <Rydekull> hmm
[12:54] <Rydekull> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/e/epiphany-browser/
[12:54] <Seveas> it might be simply a resolvable dependency problem :)
[12:54] <Xyc0> Seveas: yea, good idea
[12:54] <MyKq3> Seveas,  done that =] 
[12:54] <Seveas> MyKq3, if that won't work: you should stick to 1.6.1 :)
[12:54] <PurpleMotion> okay, now
[12:54] <PurpleMotion> bed
[12:54] <MyKq3> =]  yeah i guess so =] 
[12:54] <PurpleMotion> for real
[12:55] <PurpleMotion> good night
[12:55] <PurpleMotion> or morning, as the case may be
[12:55] <MyKq3> its a shame that Epiphany don't have open in new tab option =\
[12:55] <cisa> ok, found the problem. the modules is saved into /lib/modules/2.6.10-5/ but uname -r says 2.6.10-5-386. if i copy the module into the 2.6.10-5-386 directory or insmod it from the path it was installed to i get an error that has something to do with wrong module format
[12:55] <Rydekull> Epiphany is in 1.7.3 in Ubuntu, dunno which ubuntu though but you guys should be able to see that
[12:55] <inCo> hi guys, can someone please help? keep in mind that im a fresh linux user here... i would like to install kvirc 3, ive tried searvhing in synaptic and get version 2 as the ltest.apt-get tells me that i have the latest installed. but on the website i downloaded "kvirc-3.2.0.tar.bz2" and i would like to install it, can anyone tell me how i go about doing it please?
[12:56] <c3101> tikka, wicked, would have saved me a lot of typing ! :)
[12:56] <dimitris> Anyone knows where i can get amule 2.0.0 deb package? I don't want to install 2.0.3 from the apt-get repositories since i had some problems with it.
[12:56] <tikka> c3101,  hehe
[12:56] <tikka> c3101,  i havent tested yet though ;p im just in process of running it
[12:57] <cisa> looks like the driver wants to have the complete source an not only the headers. but i can only find  linux-source-2.6.10_2.6.10-34_all.deb on the mirror. not 2.6.10-5-386
[12:57] <Seveas> Rydekull, that's for breezy
[12:57] <floppyears> dimitris: I would use google to find the package, and "dpkg -i" to install it
[12:57] <Rydekull> Seveas: well see, as I said, I could only see that it was in ubuntu somehwere, assumed it was breezy :)
[12:57] <Seveas> inCo, tar jxvf kvirc-3.2.0.tar.bz2 and read the readme
[12:57] <Xyc0> :>...l ] 
[12:57] <Xyc0> ''''''.sd8d ;l
[12:57] <Xyc0> sorry cat
[12:57] <turkuaz> For those of you looking for applications try apt-get.org
[12:58] <floppyears> dimitris: but you are going to have troubles.
[12:58] <floppyears> dimitris: when you do apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, it will try to install the newer package :(
[12:58] <inCo> been running linux only a few days and i need a hand, can someone please help? i would like to install kvirc 3, ive tried searching in synaptic and get version 2 as the latest.apt-get tells me that i have the latest installed. but on the website i downloaded "kvirc-3.2.0.tar.bz2" and i would like to install it, can anyone tell me how i go about doing it please?
[12:58] <Seveas> inCo, I just told you...
[12:59] <inCo> lol?
[12:59] <Xyc0> inCo: sudo apt-get install kvirc
[12:59] <dimitris> floppyears, Isn't there a way to ignore the latest version of amule and not upgrade?
[12:59] <inCo> i havent got my glasses 1 sec
[12:59] <Xyc0> inCo: Run that in terminal
[12:59] <Seveas> dimitris, in the package manager select lock version in the menu
[12:59] <floppyears> inCo: nobody can really help you. The installation is different you have to read the README or INSTALL
[12:59] <Seveas> (when you selected the package)
[12:59] <Xyc0> inCo: ha ha, right as you just said that my cat knocked off my glassses
[01:00] <Xyc0> crazy kittens and their drugs
[01:00] <Seveas> :)
[01:00] <dimitris> Ok thnx
[01:01] <inCo> kvirc is already the newest version.
[01:01] <inCo> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[01:01] <inCo> my kvirc is 2.1.3
[01:01] <Xyc0> should be 2.2
[01:02] <Xyc0> no 2.1 your right
[01:02] <d3javu> guys ... good day :)
[01:02] <Xyc0> is it day time already?
[01:02] <inCo> how come most up-tp-date is 3.2.0, they dont update repositories?
[01:02] <T_T_T_T_T> bai
[01:03] <Seveas> inCo, not when a release is stable
[01:03] <Seveas> only security updates
[01:03] <d3javu> Guy... my problem is : first .. when boot unbuntu ... i get kernel panic ... then when i restart ... while boot ... there is 1 long beep and 3 short beep sound and screen become blank. Any idea?
[01:03] <Hoxzer> how do I fix apt-get server list to orginal?
[01:03] <Xyc0> inCo: http://kvirc.net/?id=releases&platform=unix&version=3.2.0&group=debian
[01:03] <Seveas> d3javu, did you compile your own kernel?
[01:04] <topyli> inCo: this version of ubuntu will always have 2.1. the next one will have whatever is current when it's released
[01:04] <Seveas> Hoxzer: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[01:04] <d3javu> Seveas, Nope ... i install using unbuntu cd ... auto-detection
[01:04] <Seveas> d3javu, hmm, the booting here is that booting the install cd or the installed system?
[01:05] <d3javu> Seveas,installed system.
[01:05] <Xyc0> Seveas: no one is gonna add it to backports?
[01:05] <Seveas> d3javu, first guess is defect hardware, run memtest86 from the boot menu for an hour to see whther there are memory errors
[01:05] <floppyears> inCo: what does "apt-get show package-name" give you ?
[01:06] <d3javu> Seveas, memtest pass :)
[01:06] <d3javu> memory is working
[01:06] <Seveas> Xyc0, ask the backports developers to do that :)
[01:06] <d3javu> Opps an hour?
[01:06] <Seveas> d3javu, hm....
[01:06] <d3javu> Ok ... let me try it ...
[01:06] <Xyc0> floppyears: current is 2.1, he wants 3.2
[01:06] <d3javu> hmm is there any other option?
[01:06] <Hoxzer> Seveas: where is that sources.list located?
[01:06] <d3javu> if in case the memory is working?
[01:06] <Seveas> d3javu, reinstall ;)
[01:06] <d3javu> Aaaw
[01:06] <Seveas> Hoxzer, /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:06] <d3javu> Ok .. let me try first
[01:06] <floppyears> Xyc0: oh, ok. Is just that sometimes the .deb package versioning may not reflect the actual version # of the program.
[01:06] <d3javu> Thank you Seveas. :)
[01:07] <Seveas> d3javu, or boot with all acpi things forced off
[01:07] <Hoxzer>  thx
[01:07] <Seveas> noapic nolapic acpi=off
[01:07] <Xyc0> How do I get ubuntu to turn off the screen when I shut the lid on my laptop?
[01:08] <Seveas> Xyc0, it should do that already...
[01:08] <Xyc0> neg
[01:08] <six2one> like lock th screen?
[01:08] <Xyc0> i pry it up a bit to see it is on
[01:08] <Seveas> Xyc0, then edit /etc/acpi/lid.sh to call dpms off
[01:08] <Xyc0> no acpi dir
[01:09] <Seveas> Xyc0, you need acpi installed for this to work...
[01:10] <Xyc0> APT SAYS IT IS
[01:10] <Xyc0> oops
[01:10] <ma3x> hello
[01:10] <Madpilot> does gParted work well w/ SATA drives?
[01:10] <Seveas> dennis@mirage ~ $ dpkg -S /etc/acpi/lid.sh
[01:10] <Seveas> acpi-support: /etc/acpi/lid.sh
[01:10] <Seveas> install acpi-support :)
[01:11] <ma3x> Xyc0: are you still there?
[01:11] <Xyc0> hi
[01:12] <ma3x> I updated kde but still cannot fix the problem. But I've noticed now when I connected to IRC, in the status window, when I got the MOTD it was buffering extremly slow (line by line)
[01:12] <ma3x> so that might be proof that it's from the graphic card?
[01:12] <kauko> how can i look film
[01:12] <ma3x> or now when I switch windows between channels, it takes always 1 second
[01:13] <Xyc0> brb
[01:14] <Xyc0> ma3x: glxinfo
[01:15] <Xyc0> ma3x: scroll to the top to see if direct rendering is enabled
[01:15] <kauko> exit
[01:15] <pax> use | grep rendering
[01:16] <ma3x> Xyc0: direct rendering: Yes
[01:17] <hussam> Yes I know it is not necessary but is there any on access virus scanning fro Linux. ( I currently scan everything I download with the free f-prot command line scanner )
[01:17] <hussam> ?
[01:17] <Xyc0> hussam: clamav
[01:17] <hussam> does is do on access scanning?
[01:17] <Xyc0> what do you mean?
[01:17] <Belutz> hussam: no it is not
[01:18] <master486> Do i need to divide a HDD into two parts if i want to have win xp and ubuntu on same physical HDD
[01:18] <Belutz> hussam: i think there is no on access virus scanner for linux yet
[01:18] <Belutz> hussam: as far as i know, avast is developing it right now
[01:18] <hussam> will the avast be for free?
[01:18] <Belutz> hussam: avast is free
[01:18] <Xyc0> ma3x: I would honestly start over and reinstall.  Something you installed should be borked
[01:19] <Xyc0> master486: yes
[01:19] <master486> ok thanks.
[01:20] <ma3x> Xyc0: It's really a lot of work, please spare me Sir
[01:21] <Xyc0> ma3x: it will be mush more work to uninstall everything to see what is messing it up
[01:21] <pax> reinstall to fix xorg?!
[01:21] <asad2k5> how ot preserve file directories when archiving / extracting with file roler
[01:21] <ma3x> but is it at least from the video card?
[01:22] <Xyc0> pax: can you figure out what he changed to get kubuntu to run like molasses?
[01:23] <pax> Xyc0: explain the problem
[01:23] <Xyc0> pax: He installed kubuntu, works fine
[01:23] <Xyc0> pax: Now he says it takes forever to open any programs
[01:24] <pax> what kde ver is he using?
[01:24] <Xyc0> ask him
[01:24] <Xyc0> ma3x: what version of KDE did you update to?
[01:25] <ma3x> Xyc0: 3.4.2
[01:25] <pax> ma3x: so everything works fine under gnome and not with kde?
[01:25] <Xyc0> kubuntu*
[01:26] <Xyc0> meaning, gnome is not installed unless he did so on his own
[01:27] <ma3x> i have no gnome
[01:27] <pax> everything runs slow, compering to what?
[01:28] <tikka> ma3x,  what cpu are you using
[01:29] <tikka> *wondering*
[01:29] <ma3x> intel mobile 4 2,4ghz
[01:30] <Xyc0> His system should respond better then it is
[01:31] <pax> ma3x: when you use 'top' how many tasks you have running total, and what's the cpu/memory usage?
[01:31] <persia> Yay!  Working virtual MIDI! Did anyone else want this and found it frustrating?
[01:31] <afaik> whenever I burn a cd, my memory usage is 100% and everything runs EXTREMELY slow... why? I didn't have this problem in Debian?
[01:32] <afaik> I mean, my laptop becomes UNBEARABLY slow
[01:32] <ma3x> Tasks:  76 total, Mem:    906656k total,   896912k used,     9744k free,    44764k buffers Swap:   658624k total,     2816k used,   655808k free,   682328k cached
[01:32] <afaik> even the mouse freezes and is difficult to move
[01:33] <ma3x> Cpu(s): 21.4% us, 10.5% sy,  0.0% ni, 65.1% id,  0.0% wa,  2.3% hi,  0.7% si
[01:33] <mcscruff> im trying to compile something and get this error
[01:33] <mcscruff> http://www.kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php
[01:33] <mcscruff> oops
[01:33] <mcscruff> checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp
[01:33] <mcscruff> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[01:33] <mcscruff> See `config.log' for more details.
[01:33] <Belutz> how to use crontab ?
[01:33] <pax> ma3x: what's using all that memory?
[01:34] <afaik> ma3x, you need to acquire a spinlock
[01:34] <afaik> Tasks:  98 total,   2 running,  96 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
[01:34] <afaik> Cpu(s): 73.0% us, 20.6% sy,  0.0% ni,  1.2% id,  2.8% wa,  2.0% hi,  0.4% si
[01:34] <afaik> Mem:    255832k total,   252484k used,     3348k free,     5028k buffers
[01:34] <afaik> it'll get worse too
[01:35] <afaik> allI am doing is burning a cd
[01:35] <pax> what are you burning with?
[01:35] <persia> Belutz: `man -S 5 crontab` should explain the format.  `crontab -e` lets you edit your own.
[01:35] <afaik> k3b
[01:35] <pax> weird
[01:35] <hussam> I'm compiling dazuko kernel module, after that I did insmod dazuko.o It gives error: insmod: error inserting 'dazuko.o': -1 Invalid module format
[01:35] <Belutz> persia: thx
[01:35] <elvirolo> hi all
[01:35] <hussam> what does that mean?
[01:35] <Xyc0> afaik: what are you using to burn?
[01:35] <ma3x> pax: so is it from the memory, the problem?
[01:36] <Xyc0> oh ah sorry
[01:36] <new_> hey everyone im new to ubuntu
[01:36] <new_> can anyone help me out
[01:36] <pax> ma3x: well seems like something is using all your memory, find out what is it
[01:36] <Xyc0> afaik: nero has a linux version that works quite well, you might want to try it
[01:36] <new_> i wanna install software like a musice downloading one
[01:36] <new_> but i dont know how to
[01:37] <Xyc0> ?
[01:37] <Xyc0> you want to download music?!?!?
[01:37] <new_> yes
[01:37] <Xyc0> illegaly?!?!?!
[01:37] <Xyc0> horrible
[01:37] <new_> its not illegel
[01:37] <elvirolo> i need to get unbuntu on a pc that has only 64 M RAM ... so I thought of doing a server install and then adding icewm, rox-filer, etc ... the thing is, how will I be able to localize the system (i need fr_FR) ?
[01:37] <afaik> yeah, it's not illegal... CUZ INFORMATION WANTS TO BE FREE!!!
[01:37] <afaik> and music is information!
[01:37] <Xyc0> elvirolo: there is a low memory install of ubuntu, try that
[01:38] <new_> hey afiak
[01:38] <kostkon> new_: apt-get install amule!
[01:38] <afaik> :)
[01:38] <Xyc0> new_: try aMule
[01:38] <new_> im running ubuntu verison 5.0.0.9 or something
[01:38] <new_> i just dont understand how to install software on this
[01:38] <new_> im new at it
[01:38] <elvirolo> Xyc0, yes, that's the server install isn't it ?
[01:38] <afaik> Information just WANTS to be free... that's why I download warez rather than paying evil greedy corporate america that charges for software that should be free
[01:38] <kostkon> new_: aMule~=eMule
[01:38] <Xyc0> new_: right click on the back ground and open terminal
[01:39] <elvirolo> Xyc0, i just want to be if abiword, icewm, etc. will be in French
[01:39] <new_> ok
[01:39] <new_> then what
[01:39] <kostkon> new_: apt-get install amule!
[01:39] <kostkon> new_: apt-get install amule
[01:39] <Xyc0> elvirolo: im not sure what you are asking
[01:39] <new_> and thats it
[01:39] <kostkon> new_: yeah!
[01:39] <ma3x> how to find out what's using all that memory
[01:39] <Xyc0> new_: type sudo apt-get install amule
[01:40] <elvirolo> Xyc0, well, I just want my Ubuntu installation to be in French
[01:40] <ma3x> I have closed all other applications, but only about 50-80 MB freed
[01:40] <kostkon> new_: oups I forgot the sudo...
[01:40] <Xyc0> elvirolo: that is very possible
[01:40] <new_> it said reading package list done
[01:40] <Xyc0> elvirolo: ubuntu has the best translations for linux
[01:40] <new_> buliding dependency tree
[01:40] <new_> done
[01:40] <new_> then it says
[01:40] <kostkon> new_: just wait!
[01:40] <kostkon> new_: ok, it's done
[01:40] <Xyc0> elvirolo: you can configure that from install
[01:40] <new_> E: couldnt find package amule
[01:41] <elvirolo> Xyc0, even in server install?
[01:41] <afaik> new_, must be the anti-warez version of ubuntu
[01:41] <new_> how do i get software so i can install
[01:41] <Xyc0> kostkon: he needs the repos for it
[01:41] <elvirolo> new_, enable universe
[01:41] <new_> what
[01:41] <Xyc0> new_: we will help you, dont worry
[01:41] <new_> ok
[01:41] <new_> cool
[01:41] <new_> thanks
[01:41] <bimberi> new_: in general, you can search for and install software using synaptic - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[01:41] <kostkon> Xyc0: yeah now I realised that, i dont remember in what repo is amule
[01:42] <kostkon> Xyc0: is it in multiverse?!!
[01:42] <pax> ma3x: use top or ksysguard to check what process(es) eating all that precious memory
[01:42] <new_> ya i know bimberi
[01:42] <Xyc0> kostkon: walk him trough the steps on ubuntuguide.org
[01:42] <new_> but i have trouble on installin it
[01:42] <Xyc0> kostkon: explain what he is doing so he can do it again
[01:42] <bimberi> kostkon: it's in universe
[01:42] <new_> where is universe
[01:42] <afaik> Cpu(s): 79.8% us, 17.1% sy,  0.0% ni,  0.0% id,  0.0% wa,  1.6% hi,  1.6% si
[01:42] <afaik> Mem:    255832k total,   252444k used,     3388k free,     8104k buffers
[01:42] <afaik> Swap:   506036k total,    99744k used,   406292k free,   107476k cached
[01:43] <afaik> :(
[01:43] <afaik> usage increases
[01:43] <kostkon> new_: you have to add repositories, sources were you can get software, so
[01:43] <bimberi> new_: that page i linked to has another link to how to add repositories
[01:43] <afaik> now the CPU is 88% ... can hardly type
[01:43] <Xyc0> kostkon: no amule is a back port
[01:43] <bimberi> s/to how/on how/
[01:43] <david_2k5> hy
[01:44] <new_> i did that and it didnt work
[01:44] <Xyc0> he he bash conversations rock
[01:44] <kostkon> Xyc0: no it's also in multiverse i think
[01:44] <ma3x> I still can't find out what's using all that memory, it shows in ksysguard or top that most of the processes use only %2 of the memory
[01:44] <Xyc0> kostkon: oh, then the newest is on backport cause I cant see it in multi
[01:46] <ZincX> ftp client is available ?
[01:46] <new_> where do i enable universe
[01:46] <kostkon> new_: go here and tell me if you can do it, what you don't understand, etc..: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[01:47] <Xyc0> er...
[01:47] <ZincX> sumthin like smartftp ?
[01:47] <Xyc0> new_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[01:48] <Xyc0> new_: your probably used to a gui install of programs
[01:48] <Xyc0> new_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:48] <new_> so to add resps i go to the terminal
[01:49] <Xyc0> no use my link above
[01:49] <new_> ok
[01:49] <Xyc0> it will show you how
[01:49] <new_> i clicked it
[01:49] <Xyc0> !repos
[01:49] <ubotu> it has been said that repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:49] <Xyc0> i forget that ubotu helps
[01:50] <Xyc0> !wma
[01:50] <ubotu> Xyc0: I haven't a clue
[01:50] <Xyc0> damn
[01:50] <Xyc0> !ndiswrapper
[01:50] <ubotu> from memory, ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[01:50] <new_> hey xyo ok where do i type in that stuff at where it says sudo and stuff
[01:51] <afaik> in a terminal
[01:51] <new_> so lets say i wanna install
[01:51] <new_> amule
[01:51] <new_> how do i do that
[01:51] <afaik> open a terminal
[01:51] <afaik> type "sudo apt-get instal lamule"
[01:51] <afaik> type password
[01:51] <afaik> that's it :)
[01:51] <Xyc0> new_: did you click the link on how to add repositories?
[01:52] <new_> yes
[01:52] <new_> this is my first day running this
[01:52] <new_> i use to run windows
[01:52] <Xyc0> did you follow the steps?
[01:52] <cafuego> !wma is <reply> Ask me about RestrictedFormats
[01:52] <ubotu> cafuego: okay
[01:52] <Xyc0> did you add universal and community?
[01:53] <Xyc0> !wpa
[01:53] <ubotu> Xyc0: I don't know, could you explain it?
[01:53] <new_> hey afaik
[01:53] <new_> i typed what u said
[01:53] <new_> and this what it told me
[01:53] <new_> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[01:53] <new_> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[01:53] <new_> new@ubuntu:~$
[01:53] <Xyc0> close synaptic
[01:53] <thespiritoftal> what is the limit of setting the year? can i set the computer's year to one million? is there a limit?
[01:53] <new_> ok
[01:53] <jonnnn> hello
[01:53] <new_> i closed it
[01:54] <cafuego> thespiritoftal: 32bit time round out in 2049 or somnewhere whereabout.
[01:54] <cafuego> !2**32 - 1
[01:54] <ubotu> 4294967295
[01:54] <Xyc0> now you can use terminal
[01:54] <new_> ok
[01:54] <thespiritoftal> cafuego: So no more than 2049??
[01:54] <sml> guys ... could anyone offer some help to get my new acer notebook going ... xorg is not happy! :(
[01:54] <topyli> thespiritoftal: unix time begins at 1970 and the unix y2k doom for 32 bit boxen is coming :)
[01:55] <new_> Reading package lists... Done
[01:55] <new_> Building dependency tree... Done
[01:55] <new_> E: Couldn't find package amule
[01:55] <cafuego> Tuesday 19 January, 2038 14:14:07 is the maximum 32bit time.
[01:55] <Xyc0> by 2049, nothing will use 32 bit
[01:55] <thespiritoftal> new_: do sudo aptitude update first
[01:55] <cafuego> thespiritoftal: By then of course everyone is supposed to use 64 or 128bit systems.
[01:55] <new_> how do i do that
[01:55] <thespiritoftal> new_: Open terminal type "sudo aptitude update"
[01:56] <cafuego> Much like NOBODY used bad year+1900 code in 2000 ;-)
[01:56] <new_> ok update is done
[01:56] <cafuego> So it was never 19100 instead
[01:56] <new_> now what
[01:56] <thespiritoftal> now type "sudo aptitude install amule" again
[01:56] <cafuego> !2**64
[01:56] <new_> sorry if im being a pain
[01:56] <ubotu> 18446744073709551616
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[01:57] <Xyc0> Illegal downloading is still bad
[01:57] <thespiritoftal> any of you who knows javascript?
[01:57] <Xyc0> you should use bittorrent, its faster to steal that way
[01:57] <new_> ok i did it
[01:57] <new_> this is wat it says
[01:57] <new_> Fetched 34.1kB in 2s (16.2kB/s)
[01:57] <new_> Reading package lists... Done
[01:57] <new_> Building dependency tree
[01:57] <new_> Reading extended state information
[01:57] <new_> Initializing package states... Done
[01:57] <new_> new@ubuntu:~$ sudo aptitude install amule
[01:57] <Xyc0> thespiritoftal: i do... or did
[01:57] <new_> Reading package lists... Done
[01:57] <new_> Building dependency tree
[01:57] <new_> Reading extended state information
[01:57] <new_> Initializing package states... Done
[01:57] <new_> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "amule"
[01:58] <Xyc0> new_: please dont paste in channel
[01:58] <new_> No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
[01:58] <topyli> new_: please don't paste everything you see on the channel
[01:58] <new_> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[01:58] <new_> Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used.
[01:58] <Xyc0> new_: stop
[01:58] <pax> press esc
[01:58] <new_> Writing extended state information... Done
[01:58] <new_> Reading package lists... Done
[01:58] <new_> Building dependency tree
[01:58] <new_> Reading extended state information
[01:58] <cafuego> new_: STOP
[01:58] <afaik> new_, STOP
[01:58] <new_> Initializing package states... Done
[01:58] <Belutz> !paste
[01:58] <ubotu> methinks paste is please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[01:58] <new_> sorry
[01:58] <new_> i didnt know
[01:58] <thoreauputic> !lart new_
[01:58] <topyli> aaarrgh
[01:58] <thespiritoftal> Chaos!
[01:58] <cafuego> Bloody hell, read the /topic
[01:58] <new_> ok thore what do i do now
[01:58] <cafuego> new_: Go sit in the corner for half an hour and be silent ;-)
[01:58] <afaik> new_, try cat /dev/urandom/ > /dev/dsp
[01:58] <Xyc0> please paste it in paste bin
[01:58] <Xyc0> i will not read it in channel
[01:59] <thoreauputic> afaik: hahah
[01:59] <afaik> (or was it /dev/mixer)
[01:59] <afaik> ?
[01:59] <cafuego> Seveas: good morning :-)
[01:59] <topyli> new_: you don't have the required package repositories set up
[01:59] <Xyc0> !paste
[01:59] <topyli> !repositories
[01:59] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, paste is please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[01:59] <ubotu> somebody said repositories was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto, or repos
[01:59] <topyli> new_: ^
[02:00] <cafuego> Anyone with amd64 here?
[02:00] <Natja_> cafuego, yes
[02:00] <persia> cafuego: I'll test something...
[02:00] <Xyc0> new_: its ok, we arn't mad at you.  You do need to read what we tell you tho.
[02:00] <cafuego> Natja_: Can you cast a 64bit INT_MAX - 1 into a time_t and see what happens?
[02:00] <Natja_> cafuego, err, how do I do that ? :s
[02:01] <cafuego> Hmm
[02:01] <Seveas> cafuego, isn't time_t 32bit on amd64?
[02:01] <Xyc0> yea, youd have to manualy calculate it
[02:01] <cafuego> Seveas: Well, it's segfaulting quite badly if I pass it a 64bit long
[02:01] <cafuego> Seveas: I expect THAT is bad regardless.
[02:01] <Seveas> hmm
[02:02] <Seveas> at which point? the cast?
[02:02] <Xyc0> he he I think we spooked new_
[02:03] <persia> cafuego: I've put together a short program, but I need pointers to the includes - it's been far too long since I wrote C.
[02:03] <cafuego> Xyc0: he got a +q, he can't speak here
[02:03] <Flying-Penguin> HELLO GUYS
[02:03] <Seveas> hi prnguin
[02:03] <Seveas> penguin*
[02:03] <Xyc0> cafuego: did ubotu do that?
[02:03] <persia> Also, does anyone know how to make my '}' key work again?
[02:03] <Flying-Penguin> I installed the nvidia drivers by "apt-get nvidia-glx" and now I don't know how to update -_-
[02:04] <cafuego> persia: #include <stdlib.h> for instance?
[02:04] <Xyc0> Flying-Penguin: what do you mean update?
[02:04] <Flying-Penguin> Xyc0: well it seems, my drivers are out of date...
[02:04] <Xyc0> Flying-Penguin: what makes you think that?
[02:04] <Xyc0> Flying-Penguin: they are, but why does it matter?
[02:04] <Flying-Penguin> Xyc0: well, I ran a command that tells me my version...
[02:05] <persia> cafuego: that takes care of time_t, but INT_MAX is still undefined.
[02:05] <cafuego> Seveas: localtime() dies
[02:05] <Seveas> cafuego, strace it :)
[02:05] <Flying-Penguin> Xyc0: yes it does matter... It might be what is stoping me from playing wow on linux :(
[02:05] <liable> hmm, my cdrom isnt being detected lately, (laptop) no errors, just no ide probe past ide0, controller or cdrom? I know its hard to say but, thoughts.
[02:05] <cafuego> Seveas: Yeah, that doesn't help much <heh>
[02:05] <Seveas> cafuego, gdb it then :)
[02:05] <cafuego> Seveas: I get an munmap() after the atol() call, then it dies.
[02:05] <Xyc0> Flying-Penguin: If you want to update for the sake of having the newest, you need to custom install nvidia-glfx
[02:06] <Flying-Penguin> Xyc0: what do you mean?
[02:06] <Xyc0> Flying-Penguin: no, i have the .deb drivers and WoW works fine
[02:06] <cafuego> persia: limits.h
[02:06] <Flying-Penguin> Xyc0: well... maby you could try to help me get wow to work?
[02:06] <cafuego> persia: HOWEVER, INT_MAX appears to be 32bit on my amd64 box.
[02:06] <Xyc0> how did you install WoW?
[02:07] <Flying-Penguin> uhh... I hit install in p2p
[02:07] <Flying-Penguin> I did it the basick way... I like things easy
[02:07] <Xyc0> how did you run it on linux
[02:07] <HAMM3R> When i try to upload file trhough ftp (vsftpd), if they are 1MB(ish)+ the upload freezes
[02:07] <Flying-Penguin> Xyc0: I use cedega... if that is what you mean
[02:08] <HAMM3R> any idea of why?
[02:08] <Flying-Penguin> Xyc0: however from how you are talking, it seems you use cedega as well... so pleas what do you mean by how did you run it?
[02:08] <Xyc0> Flying-Penguin: what errors are you getting?
[02:08] <Flying-Penguin> Xyc0: well, it isn't realy an error
[02:09] <topyli> how well does qemu run win98?
[02:09] <persia> cafuego: if you have 32-bit INT_MAX, I probably do as well.  Just in case, ..
[02:09] <Flying-Penguin> Xyc0: I can get into the game just fine, but when ever I click on something it freezes up for like 2-3sec (this also happens when I shapeshift)
[02:09] <cafuego> Seveas: It gets weirder, it does NOT segfault in gdb.
[02:09] <Flying-Penguin> Xyc0: but if I have already selected someone, then it doesn't lag when i re select that person
[02:10] <Seveas> cafuego, what is the value of INT_MAX?
[02:10] <cafuego> Seveas: 2**32
[02:10] <Xyc0> Flying-Penguin: if you can get the game running, it has nothing to do with the video drivers
[02:10] <cafuego> Seveas: 2**32 -1 actually
[02:10] <Seveas> cafuego, I mena in your limits.h
[02:10] <cafuego> Seveas: Yes
[02:10] <Xyc0> Flying-Penguin: it sounds like a cedgea problem
[02:10] <cafuego> !2**32 -1
[02:10] <ubotu> 4294967295
[02:10] <cafuego> that
[02:10] <Seveas> #  define INT_MAX       2147483647
[02:10] <littlefae> Hello again folks. :)
[02:10] <Seveas> that's in my limits.h :)
[02:10] <Seveas> #  define UINT_MAX      4294967295U
[02:11] <Flying-Penguin> Xyc0: at first I thought it might be some kind of a memory problem... but I don't know how I would fix that anywho
[02:11] <cafuego> Seveas: AH yes.
[02:11] <Seveas> INT_MAX = 2**31 -1
[02:11] <Seveas> (signed int)
[02:11] <littlefae> Anyone able to help me with disabling something irritating on my touchpad, it's a synaptics model, and has tap-to-click, which I'd like to take out.
[02:11] <DJ_Necrogami> i gotta question
[02:11] <DJ_Necrogami> is there a command to print out what OS and version ?
[02:11] <cafuego> halfbaked 32bit poo
[02:11] <Seveas> DJ_Necrogami, uname -a
[02:11] <cafuego> DJ_Necrogami: 'uname -a'
[02:11] <Seveas> DJ_Necrogami, cat /etc/issue
[02:12] <Seveas> DJ_Necrogami, cat /etc/lsb-release
[02:12] <topyli> cat /proc/version
[02:12] <topyli> :)
[02:12] <Seveas> that's about it :)
[02:12] <cafuego> cat /proc/sys/kernel/name
[02:13] <topyli> hehe
[02:13] <DJ_Necrogami> topyli: thank you
[02:13] <littlefae> Is it difficult
[02:13] <Seveas> cafuego, ENOSUCHFILE
[02:13] <Xyc0> System > About Ubuntu
[02:13] <Xyc0> im lazy
[02:13] <cafuego> Seveas: needs a kernel patch (proc-animal)
[02:13] <pax> cat /etc/debian_version :D
[02:13] <cafuego> "Zen Penguin feeling the effects of Sniper"
[02:13] <Seveas> :)
[02:14] <cafuego> aka 2.0.40
[02:14] <littlefae> How do I disable tap-to-click in Ubuntu? :|
[02:14] <tikka> argh
[02:14] <tikka> im struggling with dependencys
[02:14] <Seveas> tikka, apt should do that for you :)
[02:14] <tikka> Seveas, im compiling e17 from cvs
[02:15] <Xyc0> Garg, the default background is so freaking ugly for Ubuntu
[02:15] <tikka> and stuff i do add using apt
[02:15] <Xyc0> who decided to use that?
[02:15] <cafuego> tikka: masochist, are we?
[02:15] <tikka> cafuego, lol
[02:15] <Seveas> tikka apt-get build-dep enlightenment may help
[02:15] <littlefae> :(
[02:15] <tikka> interesting
[02:15] <tikka> :D
[02:15] <cafuego> apt-get source enlightenment as well; just replace the source in the debsrc with the cvs source.
[02:16] <cafuego> Might even end up with an installable .deb file.
[02:16] <Seveas> :)
[02:16] <tikka> i see
[02:16] <tikka> this is interesting
[02:16] <tikka> hehe
[02:16] <floppyears> hi
[02:16] <cafuego> and as a bonus you don't wreck anything
[02:16] <tikka> hehe
[02:16] <tikka> sounds great to me
[02:16] <topyli> cafuego: you can do that? apt never ceases to amaze me :)
[02:16] <cafuego> Did someone hear that?
[02:16] <floppyears> where does the documentroot for a vhost usually reside in apache? does it reside in the same directory where the main documentroot resides ?
[02:16] <thoreauputic> littlefae: maybe no-one knows ;)
[02:16] <cafuego> topyli: As long as the versions don't differ too much, yeah.
[02:17] <persia> littlefae: in GNOME, System...Preferences...Windows...first checkbox
[02:17] <cafuego> floppyears: it resides wherever you tell apache it resides. /var/www/foo or /tmp/wibble or even /dev/chicken if you want to.
[02:18] <Rockett17> chicken device sounds like the best option ;)
[02:18] <littlefae> No such option. :S
[02:18] <cafuego> floppyears: Mine live in /var/www/domain.com/host/html
[02:19] <floppyears> cafuego: yes, but where should I locate vhost ? I have my main documentoot in /var/www, should the vhost's document roots reside in /var/www/vhost# or in the parent folder of the main document root's ?
[02:19] <slowbro> ok im new to this linux stuff so dont be suprised.... where is the mozilla dir located?
[02:19] <cafuego> floppyears: Like I said, wherever you want. It doesn't matter.
[02:19] <floppyears> cafuego: but then how do you prevent one vhost from accessing another vhost's files ?
[02:19] <cafuego> floppyears: I disable the /var/www one.
[02:19] <persia> floppyears: If you want your vhost to be completely separate, don't put it under /var/www.  If you want /var, perhaps /var/vhost?
[02:19] <thoreauputic> slowbro: maybe you should tell us what you  want to do instead
[02:19] <floppyears> cafuego: I'm trying to keep the data separate
[02:20] <pax> floppyears: using apache2?
[02:20] <floppyears> persia: I know that, that's why I'm asking what's the common thing to do
[02:20] <floppyears> pax: yes
[02:20] <cafuego> floppyears: So I have _no_ vhost using /var/www/
[02:20] <pax> floppyears: check /etc/apache2/sites-*
[02:20] <tikka> cafuego, suggestion on a google search string to understand this deb source package and how to pack my own?
[02:21] <cafuego> floppyears: 'sudo a2dissite default' and off you go.
[02:21] <slowbro> thoreauputic, i installed shockwave and it told me to delete a file in theere
[02:21] <Rockett17> how does one restrict access to a folder in apache and have it prompt for u/n & p/w?
[02:21] <persia> floppyears: I don't know if it's that common, but I've seen a number of people put all sites under /var/www in separate directories and disable the normal server.
[02:21] <cafuego> Rockett17: install libapache(2)-mod-auth-* and configure it.
[02:21] <floppyears> cafuego: thanks. I forgot about those commands. I was just reading a book on apache :)
[02:21] <cafuego> tikka: I just see what's in there and edit at will.
[02:22] <Rockett17> should already be compiled into my set-up.. installed most modules when I compiled it :D
[02:22] <cafuego> Rockett17: wtf did you compile apache?
[02:22] <thoreauputic> slowbro: in where? it could be a number of places - possibly /usr/lib/mozilla : what sis it actually say?
[02:22] <selinium> hi all, was running an update of packages though synaptic when my machine froze. It now locks up when booting up. I can get in through the terminal. How do i finish/check/repair the install?
[02:22] <DJ_Necrogami> anyone know any good bittorrent downloading programs for ubuntu?
[02:22] <selinium> Hi thoreauputic!
[02:22] <Rockett17> yea.. I alays have
[02:22] <Rockett17> always^
[02:22] <cafuego> so no reason
[02:22] <johnnybezak> hey guys i am trying to get ndis going for my netgear wireless card, the driver is installed and ndiswrapper -l says the hardware is ok, only problem is when im trying to "modprobe ndiswrapper" i get this "operation not permitted" error even though im doing it as root. Anyone know why it is doing this?
[02:22] <thoreauputic> * s/sis/did
[02:22] <catolh> DJ_Necrogami, azureus
[02:23] <thoreauputic> hi selinium :)
[02:23] <Rockett17> haha
[02:23] <cafuego> Rockett17: It *is* under /usr/local, right?
[02:23] <Rockett17> yep
[02:23] <cafuego> thank cthulhu for that
[02:24] <Xyc0> gnite everyone
[02:24] <thoreauputic> slowbro: to see where mozilla installs files try typing  dpkg -L mozilla-browser
[02:24] <slowbro> thoreauputic, NOTE: Please ask your administrator to remove the xpti.dat from the components directory of the Mozilla or Netscape browser.
[02:24] <acumomo> join #ubuntu-fr
[02:25] <cafuego> acumomo: I don't want to.
[02:25] <slowbro> oh
[02:25] <slowbro> wait
[02:25] <johnnybe1ak> sorry guys i just dropped out, did anyone answer re my ndiswrapper kernel modprobe problem
[02:26] <selinium> is there a command line for apt-get to smart select install that need upgrading?
[02:27] <persia> selinium: sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude upgrade
[02:27] <shinu> hello
[02:27] <selinium> persia cheers, i'll give it a go!
[02:27] <panther> hi
[02:27] <tim> will breezy come with evince, the pdf and other documents reader as default?
[02:28] <shinu> just wanted to ask how to share my internet connection with ubuntu
[02:28] <persia> tim: in October
[02:29] <thoreauputic> shinu: easy way is to install firestarter and enable NAT (network address translation) in the wizard thing - it's a one-click operation
[02:30] <shinu> thoreauputic: k, will try that one (just read it on forum 8) )
[02:30] <persia> Does anyone understand GNOME/X vs. console keyboard maps?  My ] } key shows as \| in X, but works on the console.
[02:30] <thoreauputic> shinu: assuming you mean "share the connection *from* ubuntu "
[02:30] <shinu> thoreauputic: from ubuntu with ubuntu 8)
[02:30] <tim> persia, huh? I asked if breezy (which is due out in october) will use evince, the document reader, by default
[02:30] <thoreauputic> shinu: should be fine then :)
[02:30] <persia> tim: yes, it will.
[02:31] <shinu> :)
[02:31] <tim> lol thanks :)
[02:31] <traveller> i installed a new motherboard and now the graphics in ubuntu is messed up, i don't even have keyboard on it, does anyone have any idea?
[02:31] <shinu> also, anyone has an idea why mplayer doesnt want to play my files? on my other comp with ubuntu it does perfectly...
[02:32] <tim> out of curiousity when one would want to update to breezy...is the only thing they have to do change the "hoary" in their sources.list to "breezy"??
[02:32] <shinu> it stops at: alsa-init: 1 soundcard found, using: default
[02:32] <Rockett17> is there a way to do an upgrade with apt when breezy comes out? (don't wanna loose all my configuration)
[02:32] <selinium> persia Working! hopefully it will ressurect my machine! [fingers crossed]  :)
[02:32] <persia> tim: yes, but you don't want to do that yet...
[02:33] <concept10> persia, what?
[02:33] <persia> Rockett17: update /etc/apt/sources.list, and run sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[02:33] <tim> persia lol the "DO NOT USE BREEZY YET - X is still broken" scared me away from that :)
[02:33] <thoreauputic> tim: I think the answer to your original question is "yes" ( re: evince) It seems to be the new default for gnome 2.12
[02:33] <Rockett17> thanks persia
[02:33] <Rockett17> beats downloading and configuring everything again
[02:34] <DJ_Necrogami> catolh: Thanks for the recomendation this is a great software
[02:34] <persia> Rockett17: Some programs appear to be changing, like the recently mentioned evince.  You'll probably have at least some config to do anyway.
[02:34] <tim> is there going to be a colony 3 release before the final release?
[02:35] <Rockett17> persia: might actually be better to back-up my configuration files and just re-do her
[02:36] <penticlex> has any one tried getting xpde working on ubuntu
[02:36] <thoreauputic> ewww... xpde
[02:36] <Rockett17> persia: sounds like an excuse to kick back with a 6 pack on a friday evenin' :)
[02:36] <Nomad_1> Does anyone know of a free version of something like partition magic? (A graphical windows partitioning program.)
[02:36] <persia> Rockett17: I did the potato -> woody & warty -> hoary transitions smoothy - dist-upgrade usually works for most things.
[02:36] <penticlex> trying to trick my wife into using linux
[02:36] <concept10> Nomad_1, qtparted
[02:36] <thoreauputic> Nomad_1: qtparted or gparted
[02:37] <Nomad_1> concept10 and thoreauputic: Thanks guys.
[02:37] <concept10> penticlex, its actually not too hard.
[02:37] <thoreauputic> penticlex: heh - there's an XP look-alike theme for iceWM I believe
[02:38] <penticlex> I installed and nothing works correct
[02:38] <d3javu> Seveas, are you there friend?
[02:38] <penticlex> I should have said I installed xpde and nothing works correct
[02:38] <thoreauputic> penticlex: that's part of the windows emulation *grin*
[02:39] <thoreauputic> sorry couldn't resist...
[02:39] <tim> hehe
[02:39] <penticlex> hehe
[02:40] <thoreauputic> to complete the illusion, set the default runlevel to 6 << don't try this at home kids
[02:40] <penticlex> she has to have the pretty pictures and avitars for messenger so I am triing to get an xp clone and then get wine working so thell never know
[02:42] <penticlex> I just installed ubuntu64  5.04 got the bugs
[02:42] <penticlex> out
[02:42] <penticlex> was only a DNS issue
[02:43] <shinu> thoreauputic: what if i have a strange usb modem? 8)
[02:43] <tim> is there a release schedule for breezy I can take a look at (trying to figure out if theres gonna be any more colony releases or anything)
[02:44] <thoreauputic> shinu: I can't really help with usb modems: they are generally a pain in linux though
[02:44] <shinu> i got it running smoothly 8)
[02:44] <shinu> but i dont know how to share that connection...
[02:45] <thoreauputic> shinu: is it using ppp0 ? which interface is you internet interface? ( ifconfig)
[02:45] <thoreauputic> 8your
[02:45] <thoreauputic> bah
[02:46] <persia> tim: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseSchedule
[02:46] <tim> thx
[02:46] <thoreauputic> shinu: I would expect firestarter to recognise your internet interface anyway.. it's ppp0 here
[02:48] <shinu> thoreauputic: hm.. seems to be ppp0 but i still cant connect with the other comp
[02:48] <chiisai> Err... For some reason, synaptic refuses to start. It doesn't even give me a error message, the window never shows up. So... where do I start? How can I fix this? (No, I don't want to reboot. That's just so Windows-like. Rebooting a Linux system is just... stupid.)
[02:48] <Magdeburger> lol
[02:48] <wdh> chiisai, :P
[02:48] <chiisai> ._.
[02:48] <wdh> chiisai, killall firestarter ?
[02:48] <wdh> chiisai, it might have some process hiding somewhere
[02:49] <chiisai> chiisai@lust:~$ ps aux | grep firestarter
[02:49] <chiisai> chiisai  27201  0.0  0.1   3016   756 pts/4    R+   14:49   0:00 grep firestarter
[02:49] <persia> chiisai: Try starting it in a terminal: this ought to at least give a message.
[02:49] <thoreauputic> shinu: you might need to restart the network - sudo invoke-rc.d networking restart
[02:49] <chiisai> chiisai@lust:~$ sudo synaptic
[02:49] <chiisai> chiisai@lust:~$ sudo synaptic
[02:49] <chiisai> Nope. :(
[02:49] <chiisai> Err.
[02:49] <chiisai> Wait.
[02:49] <Davey> you know, persia, that table is backwards, the colors should run the other way and indicate stability :)
[02:50] <chiisai> lol
[02:50] <chiisai> It was already running in another workspace T_T
[02:50] <tim> no more colony releases :(
[02:50] <thoreauputic> chiisai: sorry that was meant for shinu
[02:50] <thoreauputic> ah
[02:50] <persia> Davey: It's not my table, but it's helpful anyway.
[02:51] <tim> where can you get those? i've been looking for some brain pills
[02:51] <thoreauputic> tim: patent pending - special price for you today !
[02:51] <thoreauputic> :)
[02:52] <Chameleon22> i use Logitech Elite keyboard with all them funky buttons for controlling audio, and chat, and blah blah blah ... are there any apps I could use to map those keys to the system like hotkeys or something ....?
[02:53] <persia> Chameleon22: System...Preferences...Keyboard SHortcuts allows some mapping.
[02:54] <persia> Chameleon22: Does your keyboard have a ] } key?
[02:55] <Chameleon22> persia, what key?
[02:55] <tim> thoreauputic, hrmmm black market brain pills on sale......i'm interested :)
[02:56] <thoreauputic> tim: I generally take them in liquid form though - or use a caffeine drip ;)
[02:56] <persia> I have a logitech keyboard with a key with the } character printed above the ]  character.  It has all the extra buttons, so I thought it might be similar to yours.  In any case, this key shows \| in X, so I have to cut and paste.
[02:57] <Chameleon22> persia, k will try
[02:57] <ZincX> can i give a dns for my comp ?
[02:58] <persia> ZincX: Yes.
[02:58] <selinium> persia: Cheers, PC now working again!
[02:58] <persia> selinium: Excellent!
[02:58] <ZincX> persia, how ?
[02:59] <shinu> thoreauputic: seems that when i restart my eth0, my inet connection dies 8)
[02:59] <persia> ZincX: aptitude search dns; aptitude show <interesting package>; sudo aptitude install <interesting package>
[02:59] <selinium> persia: you managed to svae the computer from the 'through the window treatment'! You saved it's life! :D
[03:01] <thoreauputic> shinu: I would have thought eth0 was the interface for your local network, and ppp0 for the internet connection?
[03:01] <shinu> thoreauputic: yes, im suprised too 8)
[03:02] <ZincX> persia, how do i know which one /
[03:02] <shinu> thoreauputic: though, my system>administration>networking shows that ppp0 is off
[03:02] <thoreauputic> shinu: you installed firestarter on the gateway box, right? does the shared machine point its gateway at that box?
[03:03] <shinu> thoreauputic: i installed in on the gateway box (192.168.0.1) and the other machine worked fine with winxp as the gateway so i guess it does point to that ip
[03:03] <shinu> (which was the same under windows)
[03:03] <thoreauputic> shinu: hmm
[03:03] <loorni> My friend is trying to install Ubuntu and he gets this error: "unlinked after no-irq?" "changin apic and acpi might help"
[03:03] <shinu> thoreauputic: how can i check if it does or not?
[03:04] <cs378> any reason why i cant connect to the internet, while the ethernet is active
[03:04] <thoreauputic> shinu: run route on the shared machine
[03:04] <cs378> i could go into my router ip
[03:04] <cs378> but no internet
[03:04] <shinu> erm...
[03:04] <persia> Chameleon22: You might also try lineakd, but it's in universe
[03:04] <shinu> destination 192.168.0.0; gateway *
[03:04] <cs378> tried wireless, same thing happen
[03:04] <shinu> thoreauputic: is that right?
[03:04] <Subliminal> what kind of repository will libstdc++-libc be in?
[03:05] <thoreauputic> shinu: the gateway should be 192.168.0.1 right?
[03:05] <shinu> thoreauputic: i think so, how do i set it?
[03:06] <thoreauputic> shinu: been a while since I did mine - the graphical tool has a gateway setting IIRC
[03:06] <shinu> how do i call the graphical too from xfce? ^^'
[03:06] <anacron> hey, what's the problem, when i restart my x with ctrl+alt+backspace, it wont actually restart, it only closes, then i have to open it with startx, and it automaticly logs in my account!, and after that my nvidia drivers won't work anymore in games (opengl problem or something)
[03:07] <thoreauputic> shinu:  gnome-network-preferences ?  Assuming you have gnome...
[03:07] <shinu> thoreauputic: network-admin?
[03:07] <ZincX> persia, i just installed pdnsd
[03:07] <chaps0063> I have my wireless configured for PEAP, how do I pass my credentials to access the network?
[03:07] <ZincX> what now ?
[03:07] <thoreauputic> ah - could be that - I'm in fluxbox :)
[03:07] <persia> anacron: after restarting X, make sure the game that hung the machine is no longer running any processes...
[03:07] <thoreauputic> shinu: ^^
[03:08] <anacron> persia: the game that hung?, it happens anytime i reboot x
[03:08] <shinu> thoreauputic: this thing you told me about is some proxy configuration :D
[03:08] <anacron> not any, everytime i mean
[03:08] <persia> ZincX: I'm not familiar with pdnsd.  Your best sources of information are probably man pdnsd and looking in /usr/share/doc/pdnsd
[03:08] <shinu> thoreauputic: the network-admin shows me that my default gateway is 192.168.0.1
[03:08] <thoreauputic> shanon: yeah - I just looked - sorry
[03:08] <persia> anacron: This is with 7174?
[03:08] <thoreauputic> shinu: curiouser and curiouser
[03:09] <anacron> persia: what is 7174?
[03:09] <shinu> thoreauputic: ok, i gotta go to the swimming pool 8) bbl
[03:09] <persia> anacron: The nvidia driver version.
[03:09] <Subliminal> where can i get libstdc++-libc for ubuntu?
[03:10] <anacron> persia: oh yes, 1.0-7174
[03:10] <blahblah> someone help, i cant connect ot the internet, but seems that the ethernet did get the router ip n could connect to the routers setup page just no internet
[03:10] <shinu> thoreauputic: bye
[03:10] <shinu> :D
[03:10] <ZincX> persia, which one do u use ?
[03:10] <Nomad_1> Here's something I've never found an answer for: How do you uninstall grub?
[03:10] <anacron> blahblah: reboot your router
[03:11] <persia> ZincX: I used to run bind, but these days I just collect from DHCP.
[03:11] <ZincX> hmm
[03:11] <ZincX> im totally clueless abt this..
[03:11] <thoreauputic> Subliminal: apt-cache search libstdc++  has a fair bit of output
[03:11] <JaZy84> can i use an externel cd rom to boot, i've got an ibook.
[03:11] <JaZy84> i have 5.04 installed but no sound.. i was going to try to reinstall 5.04 but now cd drive doesn't like the cd.
[03:11] <persia> anacron: Are there any interesting errors in the log file?
[03:11] <JaZy84> :(
[03:12] <Subliminal> thoreauputic: it seems the -libc bit on the end is important :-/ i've installed libstdc++
[03:12] <anacron> persia: can you tell me which log
[03:12] <anacron> something like xorg.log?
[03:12] <thoreauputic> Subliminal: are you compiling something? If so, what?
[03:12] <aru> if enlightenment is installed, will it screw anything up in gnome like kde does?
[03:12] <Subliminal> thoreauputic: yes, the j2ee
[03:12] <thoreauputic> ah
[03:13] <Belutz> how do i enable DMA for /dev/cdrom ?
[03:13] <persia> ZincX: If you need to manage your own DNS server, you're best off looking at a few tools, and choosing one with an interface you like.  If you don't need to manage one, read the docs, and play with what you like.  If you just want DNS resolution, you don't need any of those packages.
[03:13] <thoreauputic> Subliminal: that's out of my league I'm afraid
[03:13] <Subliminal> ok, thanks
[03:13] <Subliminal> do you know anyone i could ask?
[03:13] <blahblah> how do i enable internet
[03:13] <blahblah> sheesh
[03:13] <[Spooky] > hello, i need help in forceing the eject of my dvd rom anyone ?
[03:13] <persia> anacron: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:14] <Subliminal> blahblah: elaborate
[03:14] <Belutz> [Spooky] : sudo eject /dev/cdrom
[03:14] <the--dud> [Spooky] , use something pointy to poke in that little hole on your cdrom
[03:14] <sociopath> blahblah: do you have the correct gateway set?
[03:14] <thoreauputic> Subliminal: it's java right? MAybe #java if there is one on Freenode
[03:14] <Subliminal> thoreauputic: cheers
[03:14] <thoreauputic> Subliminal: I checked - there's about 113 people there
[03:15] <persia> Belutz: aptitude install hdparm; man hdparm.  Be very very careful.
[03:15] <chaps0063> how do I configure my wireless to pass credentials to authenticate against a wireless network that has PEAP enabled?
[03:15] <[Spooky] > Belutz:  sudo didnt work
[03:15] <anacron> persia: something at files already registered at priority 0
[03:15] <[Spooky] > its not the first time...
[03:15] <Belutz> [Spooky] : then do what the--dud told you
[03:15] <persia> anacron: This is a line beginning with EE?
[03:15] <the--dud> also, try lsof /dev/cdrom as well [Spooky] 
[03:16] <Belutz> [Spooky] : is your dvd rom mounted at /dev/cdrom ?
[03:16] <the--dud> something might be hogging your cdrom
[03:16] <anacron> persia: it's in the end of file
[03:16] <anacron> persia: and the last error is "could not init font paht element unix/:7100 removing from list"
[03:16] <persia> anacron: Take a look for lines starting EE from the beginning of the file.  Sometimes the error happes early, and it takes a while to crash.
[03:16] <Belutz> persia: isn't hdparm only for hdd ?
[03:17] <persia> anacron: Did you recently try upgrading to breezy?
[03:17] <anacron> persia: no
[03:17] <persia> Belutz: I thought it was for all IDE devices.  If you have a USB or SCSI CDROM, it probably won't work.  The manual knows better than I do.
[03:17] <[Spooky] > had to shut down gam_server
[03:17] <Belutz> persia: ok
[03:17] <[Spooky] > whats that ?
[03:18] <persia> anacron: Do you have xfonts-??dpi installed?
[03:18] <thoreauputic> Belutz: hdparm can set DMA on CD-ROM and DVD drives as well as hard disks
[03:18] <thoreauputic> Belutz: persia is right that scsi is a different story
[03:19] <aroman> hello
[03:19] <anacron> persia: yes, 100dpi, 75dpi
[03:19] <Belutz> thoreauputic: ok thx :) it's an IDE DVD rom actually... reading the man page now
[03:19] <londonboi2k3> Hi guys, just made a fresh install of ubuntu, but i am having probs installing bzflag, im getting a dep problem with libcurl3 I have it install with the dev packages, but i think i am missing something and cant remember what it is! Any ideas plseas?
[03:19] <persia> !paste
[03:19] <ubotu> hmm... paste is please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[03:19] <persia> anacron: if you put your log on that website, I'll review it.
[03:20] <aroman> I have compiled a kernel module using module-assistant. When I update the kernel through apt-get, will I have to re-compile that kernel module manually?
[03:20] <anacron> persia: ok, thanks
[03:20] <persia> aroman: Whenever the kernel ABI changes (a new directory will appear in /lib/modules)
[03:20] <thoreauputic> londonboi2k3: bzflag is in the repos - apt-cache search bzflag (or you need to add repositories)
[03:21] <anacron> persia: there it is
[03:21] <londonboi2k3> yeah, i know but its at version 1.10 in the repos, bzflag is at 2.0.2 now :)
[03:21] <aroman> persia, ok. Is there any way to make apt-get upgrade invoke module-assistant to re-compile my module whenever a kernel update takes place?
[03:21] <ZincX> persia, is there a document i can read ?
[03:21] <persia> aroman: Not one I know.  Sorry.
[03:22] <londonboi2k3> so i use the debian packeges, but there is a dep problem, i know its easy enough to fix cus someone helped me here before, but i have forgot the other dep i need to install to sort it out
[03:22] <aroman> persia. no problem
[03:22] <persia> ZincX: Try searching google for DNS server or name server.  For specific servers, /usr/share/doc/foo or the canonical (small-c) websites are the best bet.
[03:23] <ZincX> hmm.. k.. lemme see
[03:23] <persia> anacron: it crashes my browser.  It'll take me a minute...
[03:24] <londonboi2k3> any other suggestions guys :)
[03:24] <anacron> persia: no hurry
[03:24] <londonboi2k3> ahh its ok, fixed bzflag prob now,
[03:24] <persia> anacron: It won't load in w3m either.  Grrr...
[03:25] <anacron> persia: haha use links2 :)
[03:27] <anacron> i just thought yesterday that, "hmm it's nice to use linux for surfing since you can watch all pornosites and search all cracks you need, or what ever suspicious you do, and you don't have to worry a bit of viruses"
[03:27] <InitMass> if i want to use xfce, should i install the package called xfce or xfce4?
[03:27] <Belutz> persia: the hdparm command will then save to /etc/hdparm.conf ?
[03:27] <anacron> InitMass: xfce4
[03:27] <thoreauputic> InitMass: xfce4 definitely
[03:27] <digao> hey, i have one machine with debian and i want to overide it with ubuntu. is there a way to do this only using the internet?
[03:28] <InitMass> anacron, thoreauputic thanx
[03:28] <persia> Belutz: My apologies, but I don't remember.  /usr/share/doc/hdparm or man hdparm should explain.
[03:28] <Belutz> persia: ok will read again :)
[03:28] <thoreauputic> Belutz: you need to edit hdparm.conf
[03:28] <anacron> so bash is for running scripts huh?
[03:28] <Belutz> thoreauputic: edit it? not just using hdparm command?
[03:28] <thoreauputic> Belutz: the comments in that file are helpfu;
[03:29] <thoreauputic> *helpful
[03:29] <chaps0063> has anyone gotten PEAP to work?
[03:29] <Belutz> thoreauputic: yup... but i'm afraid to make mistakes for this case
[03:29] <thoreauputic> Belutz: /etc/hdparm.conf ensures the settinfs are not lost on reboot
[03:29] <thoreauputic> *settings
[03:29] <Belutz> thoreauputic: ic... so using hdparm only set the DMA temporarily ?
[03:30] <thoreauputic> Belutz: have a look - at worst it won't work ;)
[03:30] <mcscruff> how do i install a multimedia framework?
[03:30] <persia> Belutz: before editing you may want to copy the file to /etc/hdparm.orig
[03:30] <thoreauputic> Belutz: yes, the command lasts until reboot
[03:30] <Belutz> persia: hmm that's a very bright idea :D
[03:31] <mjr> mcscruff, you should have one installed; if you want to know something more spesific, make it clear
[03:31] <mcscruff> im trying to compile amarok beta and its saying i need one
[03:31] <mjr> (Ubuntu installs the gstreamer framework by default)
[03:31] <mcscruff> maybe i removed it when playing
[03:32] <mjr> well, I shan't comment on amarok, but most probably you're missing the needed development libraries (dunno which, that's up to amarok)
[03:32] <jino> hi all
[03:32] <persia> anacron: Is X hung when the log file is in the posted state?  Everything looks fine.  Are there EE lines in /var/log/Xorg,1,log?
[03:32] <jino> i have a question
[03:33] <jino> how do i set my laptop to restrt in ubuntu
[03:33] <jino> it doesnt do so by default
[03:36] <Belutz> persia, thoreauputic: thx for your help :) nero for linux is great :D
[03:36] <anacron> persia: seems like now when i reset x, nvidia works fine, but it still don't ask me any passwords, just logs in, and i have to manually type startx to get it work
[03:36] <persia> anacron: Do you have xdm, kdm, or gdm installed?
[03:37] <aroman> O_o what happened??
[03:37] <ZincX> what the ?
[03:37] <anacron> netsplit
[03:37] <ZincX> thats a netsplit ?
[03:37] <Davey> netsplat :)
[03:37] <Davey> past tense ;)
[03:38] <aroman> ok what are netsplits exactly?
[03:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:38] <anacron> servers disconnect from others
[03:38] <aroman> hmm I wonder..
[03:38] <persia> anacron: startx is not supposed to ask for a password, and ctrl-alt-backspace will kill startx, returning you to your terminal.  You are either  experiencing normal behavior, or your desktop manager is seriously misconfigured.
[03:38] <samu> aroman, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
[03:39] <anacron> persia: i have gdm
[03:39] <aroman> we keep a local copy of apt-get ubuntu mirror...
[03:39] <newubuntu> can anyone help me
[03:39] <persia> anacron: when you boot, does gdm bring up a login screen?
[03:39] <mjr> newubuntu, that's what the channel is for
[03:39] <aroman> would it be hard to  add another package to the repository?
[03:39] <anacron> persia: yes, that works fine
[03:39] <mjr> newubuntu, but that particular question is hard to answer
[03:39] <newubuntu> ok jr i need help installing limewire
[03:39] <persia> anacron: When you log out fro the menu, does it ask for a password again?
[03:39] <anacron> persia: now nvidia works fine too, so i don't have the "problem" anymore
[03:39] <newubuntu> i did everything it said
[03:39] <newubuntu> but the program wont start
[03:40] <persia> anacron: Great!  Never mind then.
[03:40] <thoreauputic> newubuntu: do you have java installed?
[03:40] <newubuntu> i think i do
[03:40] <anacron> persia: amm
[03:40] <selinium> i have an oldish image of Hoary 5.04 on disc. If i were to download it again will the image contain the latest updates? So as not to have to update as soon as installed?
[03:40] <jino> Seveas , how can i install realplayer
[03:40] <anacron> persia: not quite, when i log out, it won't ask my password either
[03:40] <anacron> persia: if i boot, then it will
[03:40] <ColonelKernel> selinium, no
[03:41] <newubuntu> how do i know if i have java installed
[03:41] <aroman> is there a guide on how to create .deb packages?
[03:41] <thoreauputic> !java
[03:41] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[03:41] <anacron> !ftp
[03:41] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, anacron
[03:41] <anacron> :<
[03:41] <selinium> ColonelKernel: cheers, Saves me about half an hour trying it out! :)
[03:41] <ColonelKernel> np
[03:41] <ColonelKernel> it works ok w/o updates too , at least here
[03:41] <persia> anacron: take a look in System...Administration...Login Screen Setup.  Are any of the autologin settings set?
[03:41] <newubuntu> how would i know if i have java installed theore
[03:42] <Belutz> anyone knows a goo guide how to create scripts for nautilus ?
[03:42] <Belutz> *good
[03:42] <anacron> persia: nope
[03:42] <traveller> for some reason the graphics and keyboard are not working with my new motherboard, does anyone know why?
[03:42] <aru> liar
[03:43] <aru> if the keyboard wasn't working you wouldn't be typing
[03:43] <thoreauputic> newubuntu: you would know if you had installed it - read the link ubotu spat out above
[03:43] <anacron> ...
[03:43] <newubuntu> what
[03:43] <thoreauputic> newubuntu:   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[03:43] <traveller> aru: i'm on another computer
[03:43] <newubuntu> ok
[03:43] <aru> traveller: I figured as much, but it doesn't stop me from being an ass :)
[03:44] <anacron> traveller: is your keyboard usb?
[03:44] <thoreauputic> newubuntu: make sure you click the link it tells you to click ;)
[03:44] <traveller> anacron: it's ps/2
[03:44] <anacron> traveller: well anyways have you updated your bios?
[03:44] <thoreauputic> newubuntu: i.e. you need the hoary-extras
[03:44] <Kemito> Hi Everyone.
[03:45] <anacron> hi Kemito
[03:45] <topyli> Belutz: study the nautilus scripts you can find on http://gnome-hacks.jodrell.net
[03:45] <traveller> anacron: nope, do i really need to update the bios? it's an asus a8v board
[03:45] <newubuntu> how do i get that
[03:45] <Kemito> I managed to fix a problem I had with screen resolutions yesterday, after going back to the HowTo page on the wiki again.
[03:45] <anacron> traveller: hah i have same board, and you really do!
[03:46] <Kemito> So thanks for that tip, Seveas.  Hi Anacron.
[03:46] <thoreauputic> newubuntu: click the link on the java page to see how to add hoary-extras
[03:46] <Kemito> However, I couldn't get my refresh rate to change from 60hz.
[03:46] <Kemito> even after doing everything in the HowTo page.
[03:46] <persia> anacron: Ummm...  I don't think I know anything more useful on that issue.  Apologies.  It sounds like something is caching the credentials somewhere, or autologin is configured somewhere.
[03:46] <traveller> anacron: that sucks :( i was wondering why it doesn't work anymore. i'll try to update the bios, thank you
[03:46] <thoreauputic> newubuntu: where it says "Add the hoary-extras repository as described in this guide."
[03:47] <Belutz> topyli: thx for the link :)
[03:47] <anacron> traveller: for god sake, i couldn't use my usb-cd at first, with bios update it worked, after then my mouse started to disconnect randomly, and when i updated yesterday again (no beta version this time) now it works too
[03:47] <anacron> or maybe it was beta version too...
[03:47] <anacron> well everything seems to work now :)
[03:48] <traveller> anacron: oddly everything works fine with my other distro, but ubuntu was the only one that could get me online
[03:48] <anacron> execpt that x rebooting...
[03:51] <Kemito> speaking of rebooting - how do you get back into it after hitting control-alt-backspace?
[03:52] <Kemito> it drops me to a command line and from there I'm not able to go anywhere yet
[03:52] <Bubbling_Zombie> sudo gdm
[03:53] <Kemito> ooooooh
[03:53] <persia> anacron: One last thought: take a look at `diff /etc/gdm/gdm.conf /etc/gdm/factory-gdm.conf` and see if anything leaps out.
[03:53] <Kemito> =) Hey thanks.
[03:54] <anacron> :<
[03:54] <anacron> and now when i got stuff he runs away
[03:54] <hosler> Hey is there a good linux program for ripping songs off of an ipod?
[03:54] <aroman> hosler cp ;)
[03:54] <il_padrino> hi
[03:54] <il_padrino> i need a repository for BitchX-1.1-final
[03:54] <il_padrino> :P
[03:54] <philips> hosler: hosler  apt-cache search ipod
[03:55] <hosler> aroman: but the ipod has all the music in weird folders. I need a program that with like organize it for me too.
[03:55] <hosler> philips: ok
[03:55] <hosler> philips: Should i get gnupod or gtkpod?
[03:56] <philips> hosler: gtkpod is a gui - gnupod are command line perl tools
[03:57] <the--dud> your best shot is downloading it from http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/bitchx il_padrino
[03:58] <the--dud> and of course installing that .deb file with dpkg -i <file>.deb
[04:00] <Determinist> anyone here that managed to install xmame and make it work properly?
[04:01] <il_padrino> the--dud, xD
[04:01] <il_padrino> thz
[04:01] <the--dud> no problem...
[04:01] <ghost^|patrick> hi
[04:01] <ghost^|patrick> i have serious problems starting ubuntu after if crashed yesterday
[04:02] <ghost^|patrick> it
[04:02] <Nic> at least is not as bad as my brothers and stepbrothers computers
[04:02] <Nic> they both BSOD
[04:02] <Nic> how stupid is that
[04:02] <thoreauputic> ghost^|patrick: are you using hoary? Hoary has been rock-solid here...
[04:03] <ghost^|patrick> ubuntu 5.04 hoary
[04:03] <ghost^|patrick> somehting with tty1
[04:03] <ghost^|patrick> and then it asks for agamenon user and pass
[04:03] <ghost^|patrick> but my password doesnt work
[04:03] <ghost^|patrick> and i cant boot to gui
[04:03] <ghost^|patrick> :(
[04:03] <ghost^|patrick> yesterday i installed the ati driver from synaptic
[04:03] <ghost^|patrick> and played with it about 3h
[04:04] <ghost^|patrick> then i tried to watch the ogl screensaver of kde
[04:04] <ghost^|patrick> at that mometn system frooze
[04:04] <ghost^|patrick> i couldnt even reboot x after that
[04:04] <ghost^|patrick> now i am in windows and dont know what i should do
[04:05] <ghost^|patrick> or what i should google
[04:05] <ghost^|patrick> :/
[04:05] <thoreauputic> ghost^|patrick: have you tried uninstalling the driver?
[04:05] <ghost^|patrick> how?
[04:05] <ghost^|patrick> i cant access the system
[04:05] <ghost^|patrick> system starts booting up
[04:05] <ghost^|patrick> then it suddenly asks a pass for tty1
[04:05] <Sonderblade> does ubuntu have deb's for libjpeg optimized for P4 cpus?
[04:05] <selinium> is there a way of getting thunderbird to read the /user/mbox file?
[04:05] <InitMass> which is the easiest way to copy some files from one computer to another over a network?
[04:06] <thoreauputic> ghost^|patrick: and your password doesn't work?
[04:06] <Belutz> how to search packages with apt-get ?
[04:06] <ghost^|patrick> but either my pass or my user id isnt accepted anymore
[04:06] <thoreauputic> weird
[04:06] <ghost^|patrick> ya, weired :(
[04:06] <selinium> Belutz: Cntl F
[04:06] <thoreauputic> ghost^|patrick: try to boot in recovery mode, then set a new password
[04:06] <selinium> Belutz: Ctrl F
[04:06] <hosler> Are there any good linux music orginizer programs out there?
[04:07] <Belutz> selinium: i mean the command line for searching packages using apt-get command
[04:07] <spiral> can anyone recommend a good easy mailserver to install on ubuntu?
[04:07] <spiral> easy to install and configure?
[04:07] <thoreauputic> spiral: you already have postfix
[04:07] <ghost^|patrick> thoreauputic: how do i do that?
[04:07] <ghost^|patrick> can u give my some words i can google for
[04:07] <ghost^|patrick> necessary commands etc.?
[04:07] <selinium> Belutz: apt-cache search <filename>
[04:08] <thoreauputic> ghost^|patrick: there should be a recovery option in the grub bootscreen when you boot
[04:08] <spiral> thoreauputic, ok, is that easy to use and configure?
[04:08] <Belutz> selinium: thx :)
[04:08] <ghost^|patrick> ya.. ist there a gui or console in recoverymode?
[04:08] <selinium> Belutz: np
[04:09] <thoreauputic> spiral: no idea really - it is supposed to be easier than sendmail :) I don't run a mailserver except locally
[04:10] <thoreauputic> spiral: I guess "man postfix" is your first port of call ;)
[04:10] <thoreauputic> spiral: "apropos postfix " outputs quite a lot too
[04:11] <hosler> amorok is spelled how i just spelled it right?
[04:11] <spiral> No manual entry for postfix
[04:11] <lamont> spiral: www.postfix.org
[04:11] <thoreauputic> spiral: erm - yes there is - I'm looking at it
[04:11] <thoreauputic> spiral: try " apropos postfix"
[04:13] <thoreauputic> hosler:  amarok
[04:14] <thoreauputic> ghost^|patrick: recovery mode gives you a root shell, IIRC
[04:14] <Raskall-edge> hmm.. irc is the only application I need !UTF-8 in. Is there a way of starting gnome-terminal with iso-8859-1 as charset?
[04:15] <mjr> Raskall-edge, I think if you save a session with !utf-8 terminal, it'll remember that
[04:16] <Raskall-edge> mjr: nope.. I need to do something like "LANG=something.iso8859-1 gnome-terminal" from the launcher. but I cant figure out what something.iso8859-1 should be.
[04:18] <CzarAlex> Im not sure if this is an issue with apache or ubuntu. My apache server runs just fine. webpages i host load fast. however, when other people try to download large files from my site, their speeds are capped around 45-46k. Is this a setting with apache or ubuntu. I can download the large files from another terminal on my network with incredible speed.
[04:19] <ChrischiO> Hi
[04:19] <TheSin> X is still broken??  Works fo rme
[04:19] <Raskall-edge> CzarAlex: what is your wan-link? sounds like you have an upload-rate lower than download rate (adsl, that is). of course you get fast speeds. you are on the same lan as your webserver.
[04:20] <topyli> Raskall: check your current LANG and use that as a base for the terminal locale
[04:20] <CzarAlex> What do yo mean by wan-link? Its a cable connection and the web server is hardwired to the network
[04:21] <ChrischiO> is ubuntu able to read/write ntfs?
[04:21] <topyli> no
[04:21] <thoreauputic> ChrischiO: read-only
[04:21] <Raskall-edge> topyli: my current lang is UTF-8. what I do now is start a gnome-terminal and select Western (iso-8859-1) from the Terminal->Set character encoding menu
[04:21] <ChrischiO> hm
[04:21] <thoreauputic> ChrischiO: as for all other linux distros
[04:21] <Chameleon22> are there any utilities to show me keycode for my keyboard when i press them ?
[04:22] <CzarAlex> Raskall-edge, I wasnt sure if it made a difference, but I would access the website through its hostname instead of ip addy. I thought that may cause the server to treat me like a normal user not on the network.
[04:22] <thoreauputic> except if they have captive ntfs, which is still experimental
[04:22] <ploum> Hello
[04:22] <oggah> is there any BSD Live-CD distro? (small, lightweight=
[04:22] <ploum> how can I add the debian menu in "applications". I've apt-getted menu, menu-xdg but nothing, even after a reboot
[04:22] <topyli> Raskall-edge: ah. well, just do dpkg-reconfigure locales and generate a locale you like
[04:22] <Raskall-edge> CzarAlex: nope.. you access your external interface from the inside. so you are still on the lan.
[04:23] <Raskall-edge> topyli: :) I figured that out 3 seconds before you told me.
[04:23] <topyli> heh
[04:23] <CzarAlex> Raskall-edge, ah ok. Are ya saying it could be comcast and not me?
[04:23] <littleworm> totem plays only the sound in video files, solutions?
[04:23] <thoreauputic> ploum: run update-menus
[04:24] <Raskall-edge> CzarAlex: it sounds like your wan-link (internet connection) is that slow, yes. isp's often set the upload stream to a lower rate than you pay for.
[04:24] <ploum> thoreauputic: already done, also
[04:24] <topyli> ploum: there is (at least used to be) a bug that gives you duplicates in the debian menu if you run update-menus both as root and as user
[04:24] <topyli> ploum: so choose one or the other :)
[04:24] <Raskall-edge> CzarAlex: remember that when anyone surfs on your webserver, you are uploading to them. so if you have adsl you will have a lot lower speed for your visitors than when you surf on the web (read download)
[04:25] <mastertet> Hello
[04:25] <dArtagnan> you need sdsl for a good server :)
[04:25] <zAo^> lo all
[04:25] <anacron> im trying to open demofile which won in assembly05 4k combo, but when i try to start it with ./makeit4k screen goes black for a sec and then it gives error: fatal signal: segmentation fault (SLD Parachute Deployed)
[04:25] <CzarAlex> Raskall-edge I have cable from comcast. does that change anything?
[04:25] <hosler> amorok is spelled how i just spelled it right?
[04:25] <mastertet> Can someone tell me what will be the new features of breezy, except Gnome 2.12
[04:25] <anacron> anacron: can someone help me with running it?
[04:26] <thoreauputic> hosler: no - amarok
[04:26] <hosler> ok
[04:26] <Raskall-edge> CzarAlex: I don't know what line you have. check your invoice from your isp to check your speed.
[04:26] <zAo^> mastertet, GCC4, X11R7
[04:26] <littleworm> totem plays only the sound in video files, solutions?
[04:26] <CzarAlex> Raskall-edge Thanks for your time. :)
[04:26] <zAo^> littleworm, w32codecs
[04:27] <il_padrino> hi
[04:27] <il_padrino> il_padrino  bitchx depende de libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21); sin embargo:
[04:27] <il_padrino> il_padrino   Versin de libc6  en el sistema es 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13.
[04:27] <il_padrino> il_padrino  bitchx depende de libncurses5 (>= 5.4-5); sin embargo:
[04:27] <il_padrino> il_padrino   Versin de libncurses5  en el sistema es 5.
[04:27] <Raskall-edge> topyli: it worked. :) I just hadn't generated the right locale
[04:27] <il_padrino> i need this lib :P
[04:27] <zAo^> il_padrino, dont install that debian deb
[04:27] <mastertet> zAo^, thanks, but is there something new apart of software updates, some new config tool or else?
[04:27] <Seveas> il_padrino, do not paste in here...
[04:27] <littleworm> zAo^, synaptic can't find it
[04:27] <anacron> hey anyone? segmentation fault SDL parachute deployed? what does that mean
[04:27] <il_padrino> zAo^,  why??
[04:28] <thoreauputic> il_padrino: trying to install a new libc6 will result in much pain
[04:28] <mjr> anacron, your program crashed :)
[04:28] <Seveas> il_padrino, and install anly from ubuntu repositories. NOT from debian repositories
[04:28] <zAo^> mastertet, there will be some new tools, new programms and everything will be updated
[04:28] <littleworm> zAo^, synaptic can't find it
[04:28] <zAo^> il_padrino, it's Debian's. Use Ubuntu's
[04:28] <il_padrino> Seveas, but bitchx1.1-final isn't for ubuntu
[04:28] <anacron> mjr: do you have something that i dont know yet? :D
[04:28] <topyli> Raskall-edge: happy non-annoying non-utf8 ircing :)
[04:28] <zAo^> littleworm, dont hammer man.
[04:28] <tombs> hi ppl
[04:28] <mastertet> zAo^, is there a spot where I can read about breezy progresses
[04:28] <zAo^> littleworm, install every gstreamer-thingy
[04:29] <Seveas> il_padrino, then use an older version or apt-get source it from breezy...
[04:29] <zAo^> mastertet, let me see :)
[04:29] <ploum> topyli: it works now, thx :-)
[04:29] <Seveas> mastertet, udu.wiki.ubuntu.com
[04:29] <il_padrino> breezy hummm.....
[04:29] <Raskall-edge> topyli: thanx. :)
[04:29] <zAo^> @ breezy here
[04:29] <zAo^> mastertet, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals
[04:30] <mastertet> thank you very much zAo^
[04:30] <Raskall-edge> zAo^: and x works?
[04:30] <topyli> Raskall-edge: truth be told i'd be happier if irc went utf8 too. but some networks are quite conservative
[04:30] <zAo^> Raskall, yes, mine does. But I have some pkgs from last week :)
[04:31] <Seveas> topyli, i don't blame them
[04:31] <Seveas> going utf8 can explode the traffic :)
[04:31] <zAo^> even the week before
[04:31] <topyli> i do =)
[04:31] <topyli> Seveas: yes well, i guess so
[04:31] <Raskall-edge> topyli: yup. Actually I don't care what charset is used, as long as it works and looks good everywhere. but i guess that is the intention of utf-8.
[04:32] <r0bby> weee about to have my first drive fail on me
[04:32] <r0bby> <3 smartmontools
[04:32] <r0bby> says in less than 24 hours it will be dead
[04:32] <Seveas> lol
[04:32] <r0bby> SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: FAILED!
[04:32] <r0bby> Drive failure expected in less than 24 hours. SAVE ALL DATA.
[04:32] <r0bby> :(
[04:32] <topyli> Raskall: i do use utf8 on freenode and gimpnet but on ircnet it's still a no-no
[04:32] <littleworm> zAo^, i installed every gstreamer-thing and it still doesn't work
[04:32] <Raskall-edge> r0bby: the drive on my (brand new, two months old) laptop failed yesterday. Just before the backup of two months work was about to start.
[04:33] <zAo^> littleworm, well, I dont know. I use Mplayer
[04:33] <r0bby> i imaged the drive using dd
[04:33] <r0bby> :)
[04:33] <r0bby> so i'm good
[04:33] <r0bby> :)
[04:33] <r0bby> it's imaged onto a healthy drive
[04:33] <littleworm> zAo^, it doesn't work as well
[04:33] <Raskall-edge> topyli: on my behalf the problem is irssi. afaik it does not support utf-8. know about recode.pl, though, but that isn't good enough
[04:33] <zAo^> littleworm, error msg?
[04:33] <mjr> irssi does support utf-8
[04:33] <topyli> r0bby: since you have backups, the drive will most likely last forever ;-)
[04:34] <Seveas> il_padrino, still here?
[04:34] <dArtagnan> mplayer is so bugged, really when it comes to playing dvd WITH sound
[04:34] <mjr> what it doesn't support yet (in release versions) is charset conversions
[04:34] <littleworm> zAo^, non, it just gets stuck
[04:34] <Raskall-edge> mjr: the version in apt?
[04:34] <il_padrino> Seveas, yes
[04:34] <mjr> but you can use it on an utf-8 terminal just fine
[04:34] <selinium> Raskall-ege: take a look at rsync it can image your drives incremantally and automatically
[04:34] <Kmorph> I just want to send a huge thank you to all the people who made Ubuntu possible. Its really changed much for me.
[04:34] <Seveas> i'm building the breezy packages for hoary now
[04:34] <mjr> Raskall-edge, I think so, it's supported it since forever
[04:34] <Raskall-edge> selinium: it was rsync that was about to start when things failed.
[04:35] <ma3x> how can i empty the trash in evolution mail?
[04:35] <il_padrino> Seveas, for bitchx1.1-final ?
[04:35] <Kemito> Kmorph: what's it changed for you?
[04:35] <thoreauputic> Raskall-edge: perhaps you are using irssi in a non utf-8 term like aterm ?
[04:35] <topyli> ma3x: there's a menu entry in the Actions menu
[04:35] <Raskall-edge> mjr: so how do I turn on utf-8? on our company internal irc-channel I type iso-8859-1 from irssi.
[04:36] <selinium> Raskall-edge: aargh don't you just hate that! I had a hard drive go down, i went to a specialist recovery place who wanted to charge 25 per Gig recovered..... I just lived with the loss...
[04:36] <ma3x> thanks topyli
[04:36] <ChrischiO`GER> ehm.. max partition size for FAT32 is some above a TeraByte, isnt it?
[04:36] <Seveas> il_padrino, no, seems like breezy doesn't have it too...
[04:36] <Seveas> il_padrino, from which repository did you get that deb>
[04:36] <Seveas> ?
[04:36] <mjr> Raskall-edge, it should detect it from locales, but if it doesn't, /set term_type utf8. Of course, you need to actually talk utf-8 to it from the terminal, then.
[04:36] <Kmorph> I'm was previously using Debian and had to go through so mant configuration,but now I just have to sit back and enjoy my seat
[04:36] <mjr> Raskall-edge, sorry, utf-8. And it might still need a restart after that, not sure.
[04:36] <topyli> Kmorph: boring isn't it :)
[04:36] <zAo^> littleworm, use you console to discover why
[04:37] <ma3x> is there any good program to backup my ubuntu?
[04:37] <il_padrino> Seveas, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/bitchx
[04:37] <Goodspeed_> why can't i edit my xorg.conf?
[04:37] <il_padrino> Goodspeed,
[04:37] <il_padrino> like root ?
[04:37] <Raskall-edge> mjr: thank you. I'd like to hug you. now i don't need to use the ugly xchat on the internal irc.
[04:37] <selinium> ma3x: rsync is great
[04:37] <il_padrino> sudo nano xorg.cong
[04:37] <il_padrino> ?
[04:37] <il_padrino> sudo nano xorg.conf
[04:37] <Goodspeed_> sure
[04:37] <Kmorph> Its the idea behind Ubuntu that I love most, not the boring part of sitting back watching it do autoconfigs
[04:37] <Goodspeed_> ill try that
[04:38] <Raskall-edge> well.. got to go.. the train is almost home...
[04:38] <Seveas> il_padrino, hang on
[04:38] <Goodspeed_> thatt thing just opened a blank text doc in terminal
[04:38] <ma3x> selinium, how does it backup, copying the files only, or plus with compression?
[04:38] <r0bby> topyli, one can wish
[04:38] <topyli> Kmorph: yes. you get mostly sane defaults. still you can customize it like debian itself. best of both worlds
[04:38] <r0bby> i'll come home and try and access the mount point, and it wont work
[04:38] <r0bby> :P
[04:39] <selinium> ma3x: it is a command line program so you can get it to do anything
[04:39] <Kmorph> topyli -> Sure
[04:39] <topyli> r0bby: naah. things only break when your backups are old
[04:39] <ma3x> selinium, I need graphic program, I am a newbie
[04:39] <thoreauputic> Goodspeed: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:39] <Goodspeed_> so is there a way to edit xorg.conf>?
[04:39] <r0bby> my backups can't be old ;P
[04:39] <Goodspeed_> i know where it is
[04:39] <Goodspeed_> but its readonly
[04:39] <r0bby> ntfs is read-only
[04:40] <thoreauputic> Goodspeed: erm - you need to use sudo to edit it
[04:40] <Goodspeed_> i have
[04:40] <selinium> ma3x: try Ghost for Linux  http://www.linuxsoft.cz/en/sw_detail.php?id_item=4265
[04:40] <Goodspeed_> sudo -e
[04:40] <Goodspeed_> but when i save it
[04:40] <Goodspeed_> i overwrite the old one
[04:40] <Goodspeed_> and i get permission denied
[04:41] <selinium> ma3x: it looks like it will serve your purposes.
[04:41] <ma3x> selinium, is it available as a package?
[04:41] <thoreauputic> Goodspeed_: ? just run sudo nano /path/to/file  - you can save it for sure (I don't know why you are using sudo -e)
[04:41] <Goodspeed_> me either
[04:42] <selinium> ma3x: I do not know.... Take a look! others can be found at http://www.linuxsoft.cz/en/sw_list.php?id_kategory=89
[04:42] <Goodspeed_> what would the bus id be for a pci express card?
[04:42] <Goodspeed_> im installing my radeon
[04:43] <topyli> Goodspeed_: check with lspci
[04:43] <Goodspeed_> wheres taht?
[04:43] <topyli> it's just a command
[04:43] <thoreauputic> Goodspeed_: just type lspci ( or lspci | less )
[04:44] <ma3x> ok thanks selinium
[04:44] <Goodspeed_> and the numbers like 0000:01:00.0 is the bus number?
[04:44] <selinium> ma3x: np
[04:45] <topyli> Goodspeed_: yes. i think you can disregard the first 0000:
[04:45] <Goodspeed_> PCI:1:0:0
[04:45] <Goodspeed_> that was in xorg
[04:45] <Goodspeed_> so is that right?
[04:45] <Goodspeed_> under device
[04:45] <mastertet> Wow
[04:45] <Goodspeed_> for my video card
[04:45] <Seveas> il_padrino, the package needs other things from newer versions too
[04:45] <Seveas> too much work :)
[04:45] <topyli> Goodspeed_: the syntax is right. i don't know of course if it's the right bus :)
[04:45] <Goodspeed_> ok
[04:46] <mastertet> Ubuntu is really progressing!
[04:46] <Goodspeed_> im just making sure... i've reinsalled ubuntu three times in the past 24 hours
[04:46] <il_padrino> Seveas, like ncurse and libc6 ?
[04:46] <topyli> Goodspeed_: yes well, you have to stop doing that :)
[04:47] <mastertet> zAo^, is beagle included in your Ubuntu version?
[04:48] <Seveas> il_padrino, no it needs a newer quilt than hoary has :)
[04:48] <mastertet> I'm currently using debian bu I think I'll switch to Ubuntu when breezy is released
[04:48] <zAo^> mastertet, it inst, its in the repo though
[04:49] <mastertet> ok
[04:49] <zAo^> reboot
[04:49] <Kimppa> hello.. I was wondering if someone could help me with a printer problem
[04:49] <Goodspeed> OK now that i've tackled the video card... how would i got about installing an audigy ls card?
[04:53] <Kimppa> how do I convert a plain text file into postscript format so I can print it?
[04:54] <mjr> Kimppa, with mpage
[04:54] <Goodspeed> how can i get into a folder if it says that i cant
[04:54] <Goodspeed> even though its there in terminal
[04:54] <Goodspeed> cd right?
[04:54] <Goodspeed> nmmmm
[04:55] <Goodspeed> how would i install libusb development libraries?
[04:55] <topyli> Goodspeed: do something like "apt-cache search libusb | grep dev" to find the package you want
[04:56] <thoreauputic> Goodspeed: it sounds like you are doing everything the hard way
[04:56] <Goodspeed> im following guides at forums
[04:56] <Goodspeed> on ubuntu's
[04:56] <Goodspeed> do i want the usb or the hid
[04:56] <Goodspeed> ?
[04:56] <dArtagnan> sudo cd /dir ?
[04:57] <ma3x> how do I switch keyboard layouts?
[04:58] <zAo^> Goodspeed, for dir: sudo cd /dir. For pkg: sudo apt-get install libusb-dev
[04:58] <spamalope> how can i search for a package name via command line?
[04:58] <zAo^> ma3x, in gnome?
[04:58] <ma3x> zAo^, yes!
[04:58] <zAo^> spamalope, apt-cache search <PKG>/<STRING>
[04:58] <thoreauputic> spamalope: apt-cache search <packagename>
[04:58] <dArtagnan> sudo apt-get search package
[04:58] <spamalope> thanks
[04:59] <thoreauputic> dArtagnan: the sudo is uneccessary for searches
[04:59] <Goodspeed> configure:1855: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[04:59] <Goodspeed> what does that mean?
[04:59] <thoreauputic> Goodspeed: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[04:59] <dArtagnan> ok, didn't knew that, never tried it without sudo
[04:59] <topyli> dArtagnan: also, you'd use apt-cache
[04:59] <Goodspeed> thoreauputic you are a god
[04:59] <thoreauputic> you need to install compiler tools
[04:59] <zany> hey everyone
[04:59] <wdh> !package php5
[04:59] <ubotu> wdh: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[05:00] <ma3x> zAo^, how?
[05:00] <thoreauputic> Goodspeed: you wouldn't say that if you met me ;)
[05:00] <zAo^> ma3x, srry. menu > system > settings > keyboard TAB: layouts
[05:00] <Echelon-H> . #
[05:01] <thoreauputic> wdh: AFAIK php5 isn't available in hoary
[05:02] <Goodspeed> how do i go up a directory
[05:02] <zany> how do i modify gnome menu please ? (like adding a program to Application->Internet)
[05:02] <thoreauputic> Goodspeed:  cd ..
[05:02] <leroj> smeg?
[05:02] <thoreauputic> note two dots Goodspeed
[05:02] <zAo^> how can I connect to a hostname only? do I need to edit /etc/hosts??
[05:02] <zany> leroj, "smeg" i don't find this package for 5.04
[05:03] <r00t_m0j0> hi every1
[05:03] <zany> that's what i've found in faq though
[05:03] <zAo^> lo
[05:03] <leroj> ok
[05:03] <chicken_man> I get this error when i try to configure Pango::  configure: WARNING: No fontconfig found, skipping tests for FreeType and Xft
[05:03] <chicken_man> configure: error: *** Didn't find any of FreeType, X11, or Win32
[05:03] <chicken_man> ***Must have at least one backend to build Pango.
[05:03] <thoreauputic> zAo^: either DNS or an entry in /etc/hosts, yeah
[05:03] <r00t_m0j0> I got into some trouble with ATI frglx, there is no such resitricted module for kernel 2.6.12-6
[05:03] <zAo^> thanks thoreauputic
[05:03] <r00t_m0j0> any1 know how to get those restricted module?
[05:04] <Tomcat_> r00t_m0j0: Do you need a newer kernel than 2.6.10?
[05:04] <Goodspeed> how do i use synaptics to satisfy the dependences?
[05:04] <glick> excuse me arnt the wxpython2.6.0.1 debs in the repos yet?
[05:04] <glick> i still have 2.5.3
[05:05] <r00t_m0j0> Tomcat_: i m with Breezy, so..no choice, must stick with 2.6.12-6
[05:05] <konut> holas
[05:05] <ColonelKernel> r00t_m0j0, I use that kernel on hoary
[05:06] <zAo^> glick, in Breezy they are
[05:06] <chicken_man> is GTK+ is the repository ?
[05:06] <ColonelKernel> it works wonderfully
[05:06] <zAo^> chicken_man, yes; Gnome is GTK+ based
[05:06] <glick> zAo^, how can i install them on my hoary
[05:06] <ColonelKernel> I wish I knew what patch ubuntu uses on the kernel to make it ubuntu-compatible
[05:06] <zAo^> glick, get the source pkg from debian and rebuild them
[05:06] <ColonelKernel> so I could use vanilla kernels
[05:06] <konut> alguien de chile?
[05:06] <zAo^> or ask for backport
[05:06] <glick> ugh!
[05:07] <glick> i gotta compile shit
[05:07] <ColonelKernel> excrement
[05:07] <zAo^> glick, welcome to linux m8
[05:07] <chicken_man> zAo^, what repository is it in ?
[05:07] <ColonelKernel> or feces.
[05:07] <glick> should i uninstall wxpython2.5.3 first?
[05:07] <ColonelKernel> plz
[05:07] <Tomcat_> glick: Absolutely.
[05:07] <r00t_m0j0> I know 2.6.10 has  ATI module, but what about newer?
[05:07] <Tomcat_> glick: Because the next package update will break your installation.
[05:07] <r00t_m0j0> anyone can help me out?
[05:07] <glick> damnit!
[05:08] <Tomcat_> glick: Or you could stay with the package and install the self-compilation in /usr/local... that should also work.
[05:08] <glick> can i just download the soruce from wxpython.org?
[05:09] <Goodspeed> ahhh this is driving me nuts
[05:09] <Goodspeed> i have glib
[05:09] <Goodspeed> but it says i dont
[05:09] <thoreauputic> Goodspeed: you probably need the -dev library
[05:09] <thoreauputic> Goodspeed: what's with all this compiling?
[05:09] <Goodspeed> i just downloaded that in synaptic
[05:09] <Goodspeed> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=33040&highlight=gnomad
[05:10] <Tomcat_> glick: Probably... but beware that the source might depend on other libs that are newer than you have.
[05:10] <Yagisan> glick: what do you need compiled
[05:10] <Goodspeed> i need to get my nomad working... it has most of the carrie-overs from my windows machine
[05:11] <chicken_man> what repository is GTK+ in ?, and how do i add it to sources.list
[05:11] <Equis> Sharing my printer with Windows XP is ungodly slow.
[05:11] <Yagisan> glick: I have an i386 and amd64 hoary autobuilder setup. Point me to what you want in breezy, and I can build it in hoary for you.
[05:12] <glick> where can i get the src package
[05:12] <nmsa> hello, I have a Philips Semiconductors SAA7130 Video Broadcast Decoder, can someone point a TV Application taht work with my card? thnx
[05:12] <egil_> Is there a better soft than azureus to bit-torrent-download ?
[05:12] <glick> Yagisan, thanks but id rather learn how to do it myself
[05:12] <Yagisan> glick: no probs
[05:13] <chicken_man> what repository is GTK+ in ?, and how do i add it to sources.list
[05:13] <glick> just direct me where i can find the source?
[05:13] <Equis> I've tried everything I find online, but I'm never able to surf to the Ubuntu box on port 631
[05:13] <wdh> chicken_man, please be patient..
[05:13] <Equis> Would someone be kind enough to help me troubleshoot?
[05:13] <Equis> This is my first *nix install
[05:13] <wdh> chicken_man, give the right person some time to read it..
[05:13] <Yagisan> glick: lok up the pbuilder howto on the ubuntu wiki. It's usefull for when you want to backport
[05:14] <chicken_man> vdh, well i don't have all day
[05:14] <wdh> chicken_man, then try google..
[05:14] <Earered> Equis, what is the trouble?
[05:14] <wdh> chicken_man, asking the same question twice in two minutes isnt going to help you..
[05:14] <Goodspeed> checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool
[05:14] <Equis> Earered:  Printing is s l o w from XP
[05:15] <thoreauputic> chicken_man: this channel consists of volunteers - we aren't being paid to help you so if you find us slow, well...
[05:15] <wdh> chicken_man, actually.. if you would have just waited patiently.. you probably would have your answer by now :P
[05:15] <chicken_man> lol
[05:15] <Goodspeed> checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool
[05:15] <Goodspeed> what do i need to satisfy this?
[05:15] <Goodspeed> the perl module?
[05:15] <glick> where do i get the necessary soruce for wxpython and wxgtk2.6.1
[05:15] <wdh> chicken_man, i recommend http://packages.ubuntu.com
[05:15] <glick> ?
[05:15] <Will_> If you want paid help, google answers woul be a good place to start. You can bitch at them if you don't like what you get
[05:16] <Yagisan> glick: http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/python/wxpython2.6-0
[05:16] <Earered> Equis, from XP toward a shared printer in linux? If so I won't be of much help (the printer is shared through XP at home)
[05:17] <glick> Yagisan, i cant just use the binaries from breezy?
[05:17] <Choubaka> glick: That would break stuff.
[05:17] <Earered> Equis, though this thread might help: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=c2ec44458f6ed765332a89999ba15231&p=244356#post244356
[05:17] <Yagisan> glick: Usually they have a higher dependency, so you may find you need to upgrade other things
[05:17] <thoreauputic> chicken_man: the real problem is that you didn't frame your question well: type apt-cache search gtk+ in a terminal to see why
[05:18] <om_> hey guys, just did a fresh install of hoary.. unlike the last time I did it there is no debian menu/submenu on either gnome or kde.. anyone know how to add that?
[05:18] <glick> damn so i have to upgrade an assload of things just to get the latest python?
[05:18] <Yagisan> glick: not if you backport it (well not usually)
[05:19] <glick> Yagisan, so i just have to backport the packages im interested in not the ones it depends on?
[05:19] <Yagisan> glick: that's right.
[05:19] <Goodspeed> i just found all the dependencies by myself!!
[05:19] <Goodspeed> without help!!
[05:19] <Goodspeed> woohooooo
[05:19] <chicken_man> thoreauputic, ahhhh
[05:19] <Yagisan> glick: using pbuilder you can build it against hoarys version of packages.
[05:20] <GreenRiver> Hello everyone. I have a small problem about setting up dhcp in Hoary. I ordered the disks from the 'net. The live cd works fine. I have a cable modem attached to a CNet ethernet (Davicom as Linux pronounces). The problem is that installation at first recognizes DHCP and connects to the net. However after the restart and so on I cannot connect. There is a connection as eth0; but when I disable it from the system menu, it doesn't seem affected as it sho
[05:20] <GreenRiver> uld be (the lights never change). Any help would be appreciated. Thank you!
[05:23] <Goodspeed> how do i refresh the menu at the top?
[05:23] <Goodspeed> like killall
[05:23] <Goodspeed> something
[05:23] <Goodspeed> right?
[05:23] <thoreauputic> Goodspeed: killall gnome-panel
[05:24] <Earered> Goodspeed, something like killall gnome-panel IIRC
[05:24] <Goodspeed> woohhooo
[05:24] <Goodspeed> what's the best mp3 player for linux?
[05:24] <equex_> i found an old PCI SCSI adapter and a 800MB SCSI disk.. you guys think this would work nicely as a swap patition for linux ? tested in in win2000, works great
[05:24] <dabaR> hi
[05:27] <wdh> Goodspeed, depends on what you like :)
[05:27] <Goodspeed> i want something like itunes i guess
[05:27] <thoreauputic> om_: sudo apt-get install menu menu-xdg   then run  update-menus
[05:27] <Earered> GreenRiver, no connection, or just no DNS?
[05:28] <GreenRiver> Earered, no connection.
[05:28] <dabaR> hey, does anyone know anything about making a picture out of a video file?
[05:28] <chicken_man> ;=( i still can't find what one is GTK i just want GTK+ so i can use it in my programs
[05:28] <Goodspeed> why does my add or remove applications not populate
[05:28] <Goodspeed> it just sits there with that spinning thing
[05:28] <GreenRiver> Earered, as I guess. There is eth0 in ifconfig; but it's something different or obsolete I think.
[05:29] <dabaR> Goodspeed: as a joke, because it is based on windows,.
[05:29] <thoreauputic> chicken_man: a program you are writing? Or compiling from source? Or what?
[05:29] <ma3x> does anybody understand gimp?
[05:30] <windex> yes?
[05:30] <ma3x> ok, im trying to make my digital signature
[05:30] <chicken_man> thoreauputic, A Programming i am writing
[05:30] <ma3x> so i scanned my signature and put it in a file
[05:30] <ma3x> but the background is not white, it's gray
[05:30] <ma3x> is it possible to make it white?
[05:31] <windex> oi. the problem is that you are scanning your signature. uh, you can try to cut out the writing, but its labor intensive.
[05:31] <Goodspeed> so how would i get rid of a program?
[05:31] <chicken_man> program*
[05:31] <thoreauputic> chicken_man: erm - you will need the development libraries then - I'm puzzled as to how you can write programs without knowing what libraries you need
[05:31] <ma3x> but there is option to colorize the image
[05:32] <Earered> GreenRiver, whoa not so fast, try in a terminal ping 216.239.57.99
[05:32] <ma3x> i tried and it can make the background green or red like
[05:32] <ma3x> but not white
[05:32] <ma3x> now that's dumb
[05:32] <Tomcat_> thoreauputic: I'm sometimes quite puzzled about how many developers send out their source without info on the libs... it's like "Find out yourself" ;)
[05:32] <Yagisan> glick: It seems to build OK with hoary. You shouldn't have any trouble backporting it.
[05:33] <windex> ma3x, it would be more effective to use a digitizer or tablet to produce the signature, cutting out the background is difficult.
[05:33] <chicken_man> thoreauputic, I just want GTK i have already installed GLib but i'm having problems with Pango
[05:33] <dabaR> Goodspeed: like remove a program?
[05:33] <dabaR> or remove its icon from your menu?
[05:33] <Goodspeed> yeaap
[05:33] <Goodspeed> program
[05:33] <dabaR> sudo aptitude remove x
[05:33] <dabaR> or, System>Admin>Synaptic, find th eprograam in the list, and right click remove
[05:33] <GreenRiver> Earered, I tried 195.174.0.1. 195.174.x.x is the default ip adress standard of my isp. An error was returned like "network not recognized" or something like that.
[05:33] <coolblue> HELP!!!!!!!
[05:34] <chicken_man> thoreauputic, I want GTK ready installed so i don't have to compile any thing to make it work
[05:34] <coolblue> how do i bookmark a set of tabs in firefox?
[05:34] <ma3x> its not difficult, you just have tot know how
[05:34] <coolblue> how do i bookmark a set of tabs in firefox? pleeeeeeeeeeeez
[05:34] <chillywilly> can't do it
[05:34] <chillywilly> make a bunch of bookmarks and move them into a folder
[05:35] <windex> ma3x, basically, you need to select all the regions of gray, cut them, and then do a pixel by pixel manipulation to get rid of the fuzzy pieces. that's how it works in photoshop, too.
[05:35] <Earered> GreenRiver, could you try again? the error might help me to help you :)
[05:35] <coolblue> manually??
[05:35] <coolblue> only way?
[05:35] <windex> ma3x, or you can play with your scanner's white balance settings.
[05:35] <chillywilly> coolblue: I think that's your only option
[05:35] <GreenRiver> Earered, I'll reboot then. I'll be here in ten minutes.
[05:35] <wdh> coolblue, wait.. lemme check that out.. you _can_ bookmark a set of tabs in FF
[05:36] <Earered> GreenRiver, wait a second
[05:36] <chillywilly> coolblue: I use http://del.icio.us :)
[05:36] <GreenRiver> Earered, OK.
[05:37] <windex> ma3x, you might have more help in a gimp-related channel, though.
[05:37] <glick> the pbuilder wiki page doesnt mention how to build a backport from a source file
[05:37] <Earered> GreenRiver, given that I did this error myself, ensure that you have set up the DNS correctly (sometimes you can forget the obvious)
[05:37] <ph8> can anyone help me with this problem? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=281842&posted=1#post281842 my ubuntu install thinks i've got an ATI card instead of a nvidia one
[05:38] <wdh> coolblue, just use 'Bookmark this page' and then tick the box next to 'Bookmark all tabs into a folder'
[05:38] <Yagisan> glick: you set up a pbuilder install of what version of ubuntu you want (ie hoary)
[05:38] <Earered> GreenRiver, and good luck (I might be gone when you come back)
[05:38] <glick> with wxpython i cant do apt-get src wxpython
[05:38] <glick> because ill just get old sources
[05:38] <Yagisan> glick: then you download the breezy source package
[05:38] <thoreauputic> chicken_man: I highly recommend you read this with attention: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[05:38] <glick> i downloaded the source as a tgz file
[05:38] <Yagisan> glick: and then run pbuilder to build it
[05:39] <GreenRiver> Earered, OK. I'm a bit confused, though. Live cd automatically sets up. Anyway. Thank you very much!
[05:39] <Yagisan> glick: I'd grab the breezy source
[05:39] <glick> i did download it
[05:39] <glick> Yagisan, so where do i put it?
[05:39] <Yagisan> glick: *.dsc and *.tar.gz ?
[05:39] <glick> yup
[05:39] <coolblue> Thanks wdh:)
[05:39] <Earered> GreenRiver, well, it won't guess the DNS that your ISP provides ^_^
[05:39] <chicken_man> can some well tell me how to get GTK+ so i can use it in my C++ and C programs ?
[05:39] <coolblue> Thanks wdh:)
[05:39] <Yagisan> glick: whatever working directory you like
[05:40] <glick> ok
[05:40] <glick> Yagisan, i have to untar it i presume?
[05:40] <GreenRiver> Earered, wait. The dns numbers were recorded on the non networking setup just like this live cd.
[05:40] <Yagisan> glick: no
[05:40] <Yagisan> glick: back in sec. baby trouble
[05:40] <coolblue> backports repo not working:HELP!!
[05:40] <glick> heh k
[05:40] <glick> thanks
[05:40] <Tomcat_> coolblue: Tried another mirror? They are down sometimes...
[05:41] <wdh> coolblue, define 'not working'
[05:41] <coolblue> dont undertsand that...
[05:41] <Earered> GreenRiver, what do you mean?
[05:41] <wdh> coolblue, 'not working' doesnt exactly help us helping you :)
[05:42] <wdh> coolblue, what is the error-message?
[05:42] <wdh> coolblue, and what did you try?
[05:42] <flo> hi all
[05:42] <coolblue> oh sorry...it says something like this repo does not exist
[05:42] <GreenRiver> Earered, I launch system-admin-network-dns. There are some dns numbers. The numbers that I use now are recognized by the setup too.
[05:42] <wdh> coolblue, where did you add the repo to?? using synaptic?
[05:42] <wdh> coolblue, or straight into /etc/apt/sources.list?
[05:43] <coolblue> edtiting sources.list
[05:43] <wdh> sure you didnt make a typo?
[05:43] <coolblue> nope
[05:43] <coolblue> did copy-paste
[05:43] <thoreauputic> chicken_man: try this:   apt-cache search gtk+ | grep lib | grep gtk2 | grep dev  - but I still suggest you read esr's excellent article
[05:43] <Yagisan> glick: back. after setting up pbuilder you just run "pbuilder build *.dsc"
[05:44] <wdh> coolblue, can you paste your sources.list into a pastebin and paste the link here?
[05:44] <coolblue> ok let me see...
[05:44] <Yagisan> glick: It just takes a while to set pbuilder up.
[05:44] <flo> i know i'm not on the right chan, but could anyone tell me how to add icons on the icewm desktop using rox-filer?
[05:45] <ADM-UNIMET> hi everyone
[05:45] <ADM-UNIMET> i have a huge problem with a server
[05:45] <ADM-UNIMET> it's a ibm eseries 300 with SATA RAID 1
[05:45] <thoreauputic> flo: the rox help tells you how to make a pinboard and you can drag icons onto that
[05:45] <ADM-UNIMET> install perfect but when it's gone to start the server said that not found operating system
[05:46] <ADM-UNIMET> something about boot sector
[05:46] <wdh> ADM-UNIMET, do not use your enter-key that much :P
[05:46] <ADM-UNIMET> any help?
[05:46] <GreenRiver> Earered, one more thing. There are four lights on my modem. In a live session the PC light flashes all the time. When I disable eth0, it stands still. In non networking setup when I disable eth0 (the one with dns numbers) PC light keeps flashing. I think it's not affected. Something may be wrong with eth0's hardware configuration.
[05:46] <ADM-UNIMET> ohhhh sorry!
[05:46] <thoreauputic> flo: the rox help is actually quite helpful - unlike some help files ;)
[05:46] <flo> thoreauputic, yes, i know how to make a pinboard, but where do i drag the icons from, since i don't have any ?
[05:46] <Subliminal> ADM-UNIMET: what device is it set to boot from (in the bios)
[05:46] <Chaotic_Shield> morning all
[05:46] <Chaotic_Shield> Anyone know a good pop/smtp daemon?
[05:46] <thoreauputic> flo: you can use any icons in the filer, basically
[05:47] <ADM-UNIMET> well, there is a bios but the ibm fix de raid card with it own software :'(
[05:47] <Chaotic_Shield> ah;
[05:47] <ADM-UNIMET> the last operating system was win 2003 server and boot ok
[05:47] <Chaotic_Shield> mom's yelling
[05:47] <thoreauputic> flo: it will ask you which of the many you want
[05:47] <Subliminal> ADM-UNIMET: it boots of the raid?
[05:47] <ADM-UNIMET> yeap :'(
[05:47] <Earered> GreenRiver, yep probably
[05:47] <flo> ok; i'll look through the help anyway
[05:47] <thoreauputic> flo: lots of icons in places like /usr/share/pixmap
[05:47] <flo> thoreauputic, thanks :)
[05:48] <Subliminal> only thing i know about raid, is raid 0 isnt bootable and raid 5 is
[05:48] <ph8> anyone?
[05:48] <ph8> can anyone help me with this problem? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=281842&posted=1#post281842 my ubuntu install thinks i've got an ATI card instead of a nvidia one
[05:48] <ADM-UNIMET> but i think raid 5 are not allowed on SATA
[05:49] <thoreauputic> flo: no worries - also try " locate icons | less  (I think you'll be surprised how many are at your disposal)
[05:49] <ADM-UNIMET> try the grub-install hd0 but nothing happends :'(
[05:49] <Subliminal> :-/ i dont know anything about raid sorry, what i just said might not even be true
[05:49] <coolblue> try grub-install /dev/hda
[05:50] <J_P> hi all
[05:50] <J_P> hi all
[05:50] <J_P> people, I have one important question about useradd!!
[05:50] <Earered> GreenRiver, I guess that you will have to delve in the ifconf manpages
[05:51] <zAo^> J_P, shoot
[05:51] <GreenRiver> Earered, OK. Right away. Thanks a lot.
[05:51] <J_P> groupadd csp
[05:51] <J_P> useradd andrea -c "Andrea Viana da Silva" -s /bin/false -g csp -d /home/andrea -m
[05:52] <Goodspeed> how do i remove a package not listed in synaptic
[05:52] <chicken_man> thoreauputic, Thanks i am downloading it now.
[05:52] <J_P> second line not wotrk
[05:52] <J_P> groupadd add ok csp
[05:52] <J_P> but user "andrea" not go do group csp in /etc/group, why ?
[05:53] <zAo^> J_P, not go do group: what? :)
[05:53] <MrMo> what tool to use to create VCD's ?
[05:53] <MrMo> or DVD's? for the DVD player?
[05:53] <thoreauputic> chicken_man: do you see what I meant? I wasn't meaning to be difficult - just trying to show you how to work stuff out yourself :)
[05:53] <J_P> zAo^: user "andrea"
[05:53] <J_P> zAo^:  useradd andrea -c "Andrea Viana da Silva" -s /bin/false -g csp -d /home/andrea -m
[05:53] <chicken_man> thoreauputic, LOL
[05:53] <Goodspeed> thoreauputic how do i uninstall things not listed in synaptic???
[05:53] <om_> Goodspeed: sudo apt-get remove packagename
[05:53] <chicken_man> Goodspeed, apt-get remove XXX ?
[05:54] <thoreauputic> Goodspeed: erm - such as ?
[05:54] <glick> heh ok i tink its building
[05:54] <Goodspeed> that stupid gnomad thing
[05:54] <Goodspeed> piece of shit
[05:54] <flo> thoreauputic, hi again, i'm sry to bother you, but is there a way to start rox and the pinboard and panel automatically as i log in to icewm?
[05:54] <Goodspeed> i run those things but it doesnt find them
[05:54] <J_P> zAo^: greoup csp are yet this : csp:x:1003:
[05:54] <ma3x> is there a good CD/DVD burn software for GNOME?
[05:54] <J_P> zAo^: whout user "andrea"
[05:54] <zAo^> J_P, hm. Trying to find out..
[05:54] <chicken_man> I wonder why ubuntu does not come with Fluxbox
[05:54] <bur[n] er> ma3x: nautilus, graveman, gnomebaker
[05:54] <DeMi> ma3x: K3B
[05:55] <bur[n] er> chicken_man: because it focuses on gnome
[05:55] <ma3x> DeMi, k3b is for KDE
[05:55] <glick> chicken_man, just do apt-get install fluxbox
[05:55] <goldfish> apt-get install fluxbox , done.
[05:55] <J_P> zAo^: ok. I try in debian and work fine!
[05:55] <thoreauputic> flo: I'm sure there is - but I don't know it off the top of my head - sorry: you would put the commands in the icewm startup script though
[05:55] <zAo^> J_P, tried useradd without the -g and usermod afterwards?
[05:55] <glick> debian doesnt come with flux either
[05:55] <BTJustice> I am downloading the live version right now.  I specifically want to try and hopefully use Evolution for all my e-mail :).  Is there anything I need to know?  Will folders be created on my Windows XP hard drive to save e-mail to and such?
[05:55] <chicken_man> I like Fluxbox it's good for slower computers
[05:55] <J_P> zAo^: no! moment, i go try
[05:55] <goldfish> fluxbox rocks.
[05:56] <flo> thoreauputic, I see ... is it in  ~/.IceWm ?
[05:56] <glick> i love python
[05:56] <glick> python is the shizzy mcnizzy
[05:56] <chicken_man> mmmm python :P
[05:56] <J_P> zAo^: is impossible withou -g..
[05:56] <J_P> zAo^: i have erro of useradd
[05:56] <zAo^> show me :)
[05:56] <bur[n] er> instead of "useradd" try "adduser"
[05:56] <glick> i want to build a finance program using python
[05:56] <thoreauputic> flo: no - try looking at /usr/share/xsessions and see if there is a icewm.desktop file - see where the Exec line points
[05:57] <glick> geared at college students
[05:57] <J_P> zAo^:  root@neo:~ # useradd andrea -c "Andrea Viana da Silva" -s /bin/false csp -d /home/andrea -m
[05:57] <J_P> usage: useradd  [-u uid [-o] ]  [-g group]  [-G group,...] 
[05:57] <J_P>                 [-d home]  [-s shell]  [-c comment]  [-m [-k template] ] 
[05:57] <chicken_man> glick: lol
[05:57] <glick> cause i keep losing track of my finances and end up getting screwed when at the beginning of the month i spent 400 bucks and have no idea where it went
[05:57] <thoreauputic> flo: or better , consult the docs on the icewm home page
[05:57] <Chaotic_Shield> what's a good pop3 server?
[05:57] <zAo^> J_P, err msg?
[05:57] <flo> thoreauputic, ok
[05:57] <J_P> Chaotic_Shield: qpopper is good
[05:57] <chicken_man> glick: use C++
[05:57] <J_P> zAo^: yes
[05:57] <glick> chicken_man, ugh
[05:58] <BTJustice> I am downloading the live version right now.  I specifically want to try and hopefully use Evolution for all my e-mail :).  Is there anything I need to know?  Will folders be created on my Windows XP hard drive to save e-mail to and such?
[05:58] <Chaotic_Shield> yay!
[05:58] <flo> thoreauputic, wait, i found the IceWM.desktop file
[05:58] <Chaotic_Shield> now just need an smtp server.
[05:58] <J_P> zAo^: that is one problem in ubuntu useradd ?
[05:58] <glick> I know C and C++
[05:58] <nubbe> Is it possible to integrate Dictionary (2.10.1) in FF?
[05:58] <glick> why on earth would you want to use either of them if you didnt have to?
[05:58] <chicken_man> glick: nice :P i started a year ago
[05:58] <Chaotic_Shield> BTJustice, if your Windows hard drive isn't NTFS then Linux can write to it, else no.
[05:58] <zAo^> J_P, not as far as I know of. Can you give me the message>?
[05:58] <thoreauputic> flo: the exec line should point at the startup script
[05:58] <flo> thoreauputic, there's already /usr/bin/icewm-session in exec obviously
[05:58] <BTJustice> It is NTFS... shit!
[05:59] <J_P> zAo^: yes look:
[05:59] <J_P> root@neo:~ # useradd andrea -c "Andrea Viana da Silva" -s /bin/false csp -d /home/andrea -m
[05:59] <J_P> usage: useradd  [-u uid [-o] ]  [-g group]  [-G group,...] 
[05:59] <glick> chicken_man, i find learning to play an instrument is much more enjoyable then learning a language
[05:59] <Chaotic_Shield> J_P, can you recommend a good smtp server?
[05:59] <J_P>                 [-d home]  [-s shell]  [-c comment]  [-m [-k template] ] 
[05:59] <J_P>                 [-f inactive]  [-e expire ]  [-p passwd]  name
[05:59] <chicken_man> glick: hehehe
[05:59] <J_P> zAo^: understan, parameter error
[05:59] <flo> thoreauputic, so shall i add a comma and add then rox -b 0 and rox -p 0 ?
[05:59] <thoreauputic> flo: run "file /usr/bin/icewm-session" to see if it's an editable script
[05:59] <J_P> Chaotic_Shield: i like very much postfix
[05:59] <thoreauputic> flo: NO!
[05:59] <Raskall> agh.. the ubuntu repos are soooo slow right now.
[05:59] <zAo^> hmmm
[05:59] <zAo^> donno, sorry m8
[05:59] <flo> thoreauputic, ok
[05:59] <Chaotic_Shield> postfix comes standard with Ubuntu :)
[05:59] <Goodspeed> how do i use a .deb package?
[05:59] <thoreauputic> flo: that won't work
[05:59] <goldfish> Goodspeed: dpkg -i moo.deb
[05:59] <J_P> zAo^: that sorry iis for me ?
[05:59] <chicken_man> How do i mount my FAT32 partition ?
[05:59] <[Spooky] > what the h*ll does this mean !? "sudo: unable to lookup linux via gethostbyname()"
[06:00] <glick> i gotta get ready, in one hour i gotta tear this lady that works at a real estate office across from me a new anal cavity
[06:00] <zAo^> yeah :$
[06:00] <flo> thoreauputic, it's not an editable script :(
[06:00] <J_P> please, anyone know how I add one user for any group in ubuntu using command line useradd ou another tool ?
[06:00] <Goodspeed> do i have to tar it?
[06:00] <goldfish> !mountwindows
[06:00] <ubotu> [mountwindows]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[06:00] <Goodspeed> its a .tar.gz
[06:00] <ADM-UNIMET> JP did you try webmin?
[06:00] <thoreauputic> flo: the best place to look is the icewm docs - I'm sure there are howtos etc linked from the icewm home page
[06:01] <goldfish> chicken_man: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[06:01] <J_P> ADM-UNIMET: yes, but postfixadmin is better
[06:01] <goldfish> Goodspeed: tar xvzf moo.tar.gz
[06:01] <flo> thoreauputic, ok thx :)
[06:01] <Goodspeed> and then go into the directory and do the dpkg thing?
[06:01] <thoreauputic> flo: I haven't used icewm much - I use fluxbox here
[06:01] <BTJustice> I have a spare hard drive I could hook up to my Windows XP machine.  If I format it to some other file system, what should I do it with and what file system should it be in order for Ubuntu Live to save things to it?
[06:01] <flo> thoreauputic, ok :)
[06:01] <goldfish> Goodspeed: yes.
[06:01] <glick> creatign the most complex data structures in python is so simple a monkey could do it
[06:01] <goldfish> Goodspeed: you will need to use sudo with the dpkg command.
[06:01] <flo> thoreauputic, i wouldn't mind using fluxbox
[06:02] <J_P> people, i have one basic question... how I add one user for any group in ubuntu using command line useradd ou another tool ?
[06:02] <Chaotic_Shield> BTJustice, Ext3. I don't think Ubuntu Live can format drives though. If you have a spare drive, why not install Ubuntu on it and dual-boot?
[06:02] <windex> !tell windex about mp3
[06:02] <thoreauputic> flo: I suggest you choose one WM and learn it
[06:02] <Chaotic_Shield> hmm...
[06:02] <glick> i gotta finish my mp3 sorter program that i started writting
[06:02] <nubbe> I'm looking for a Firefox extension that can lookup dict.org, anyone knows?
[06:02] <BTJustice> Can I install Ubuntu from the Live CD or shoudl I cancel the downlaod and get the full version?
[06:02] <flo> thoreauputic, well, i don't really have time since i'm setting up a friend's comp
[06:02] <goldfish> u need the instasll cd
[06:02] <Chaotic_Shield> BTJustice, you'll need the full version.
[06:02] <J_P> Chaotic_Shield: you know how add one user for any group ?
[06:02] <thoreauputic> J_P: you might prefer to use the adduser command - it's easier
[06:02] <goldfish> *install
[06:02] <BTJustice> Alright, thanks.
[06:02] <Chaotic_Shield> I have both, quite handy to have both.
[06:03] <Chaotic_Shield> J_P, I don't.
[06:03] <windex> !tell windex about mp3
[06:03] <windex> maybe this time i can manage to not quit.
[06:03] <Chaotic_Shield> what's the command to mount your cdrom drive? Ubuntu isn't doing it for me.
[06:03] <BTJustice> Ubuntu does come with Evolution e-mail program right?
[06:03] <Chaotic_Shield> yes
[06:03] <Chadza> Yes.
[06:03] <J_P> thoreauputic: yeh, but i dont know how do this using "adduser" for add in group "admin"  for example.. Can you write one example for me ?
[06:03] <BTJustice> Sweet in the panties!
[06:03] <Chaotic_Shield> Ubuntu install installs everything that comes with the Ubuntu Live CD.
[06:04] <Chaotic_Shield> Ubuntu Live == Ubuntu standard install
[06:04] <thoreauputic> Chaotic_Shield: usually just  " mount /media/cdrom " should do it
[06:04] <Chaotic_Shield> thanks.
[06:04] <Goodspeed> goldfish i just dpkg it
[06:04] <Goodspeed> now what?
[06:04] <thoreauputic> Chaotic_Shield: assuming your /etc/fstab points at /media/cdrom
[06:04] <Goodspeed> is it installed?
[06:04] <Chaotic_Shield> thoreauputic, doesn't work, I get mount: special device /dev/hdc does not exist.
[06:04] <BTJustice> OW!  One last thing.  I have a D-Link DWL-G520 wireless card.  Will Ubuntu find it alright and use it?
[06:05] <Chaotic_Shield> BTJustice, possibly.
[06:05] <MrMo> BTJustice, 520+?
[06:05] <thoreauputic> J_P:  adduser <user's name> admin
[06:05] <MrMo> or simple 520?
[06:05] <Chaotic_Shield> But if it doesn't, go get ndiswrapper and follow the instructions on its website.
[06:05] <J_P> thoreauputic: ok, i go test.
[06:05] <BTJustice> G520
[06:05] <thoreauputic> J_P: with sudo, of course
[06:05] <BTJustice> That all I know.
[06:05] <MrMo> BTJustice, forget it. the G520 is the one with the ACX111 chip right?
[06:05] <BTJustice> It's the first version
[06:05] <BTJustice> Atheros
[06:05] <thoreauputic> Chaotic_Shield: ls -l /dev/cdrom
[06:06] <thoreauputic> Chaotic_Shield: see where that points
[06:06] <Chaotic_Shield> No such file or directory.
[06:06] <J_P> thoreauputic: root@neo:~ # adduser teste csp
[06:06] <J_P> adduser: The user `teste' does not exist.
[06:06] <MrMo> BTJustice, Atheros? even better. IIRC, Madwifi works with Atheros out of the box.
[06:06] <goldfish> Goodspeed: yes. installed.
[06:06] <J_P> thoreauputic: root@neo:~ # adduser teste admin
[06:06] <J_P> adduser: The user `teste' does not exist.
[06:06] <thoreauputic> J_P: *cough* well use a user that *does* exist
[06:06] <ma3x> is there any CD/DVD burning tool for GNOME?
[06:06] <Chaotic_Shield> yes
[06:06] <thoreauputic> J_P: it isn't magic you know
[06:07] <MrMo> ma3x, yes.
[06:07] <mjr> ma3x, nautilus will burn basic data discs
[06:07] <ma3x> mjr, how do I start it?
[06:07] <Chaotic_Shield> fscking hell.
[06:07] <MrMo> ma3x, the natulis will burn just about everthing for you
[06:07] <Chaotic_Shield> WHY WON'T YOU MOUNT CDROM DRIVE? [/caps] 
[06:07] <MrMo> ma3x, if that's not enough, use gnomebacker
[06:07] <mjr> ma3x, it's the file manager
[06:07] <Raskall> are there any mirrors for the ubuntu-backports repos?
[06:07] <[Spooky] > whats the default su password ?
[06:07] <BTJustice> Waht is Madwifi???
[06:07] <MrMo> ma3x, <crlt>-<L> and enter burn:///
[06:07] <Chaotic_Shield> [Spooky] , none.
[06:07] <MrMo> BTJustice, Madwifi is the driver for wireless cards
[06:07] <MrMo> BTJustice, i.e. cards with the Atheros chip
[06:08] <Chaotic_Shield> I like ndiswrapper.
[06:08] <BTJustice> It comes with Ubuntu?
[06:08] <ma3x> can nautilius burn iso image?
[06:08] <[Spooky] > Chaotic_Shield: ok so how do i set a su password ?
[06:08] <Chaotic_Shield> Although it increases start times by a little while.
[06:08] <thoreauputic> Chaotic_Shield: if /dev/cdrom doesn't exist, you have a strange problem - look at /etc/fstab to see where the system thinks it is
[06:08] <MrMo> Chadza, Ndiswrapper is just *PLAIN WRONG[tm] *
[06:08] <Chaotic_Shield> yes ma3x
[06:08] <ma3x> Chaotic_Shield, how?
[06:08] <MrMo> ma3x, right click on iso image, select 'burn'
[06:08] <mjr> ndiswrapper isn't there to be liked, it's there to be lamentably used when absolutely necessary ;I
[06:08] <BTJustice> Madwifi comes with Ubuntu?
[06:08] <MrMo> BTJustice, as far as I know: yes.
[06:08] <bo> newbie here.. can anyone help configure printers
[06:08] <Chaotic_Shield> [Spooky] , open a terminal, then type sudo passwd.
[06:08] <MrMo> mjr, right.
[06:09] <zAo^> what was it that you needed to do when you got: could not open default font 'fixed'
[06:09] <BTJustice> COOL!  Thanks.
[06:09] <Chaotic_Shield> thinks it's in /media/cdrom0
[06:09] <Chaotic_Shield> what a gay pos.
[06:09] <mjr> BTJustice, it's included in the restricted-modules packages
[06:09] <MrMo> bo, the gnome-cups integrations is already beautiful what do you need help with?
[06:09] <mjr> (which are installed by default)
[06:09] <Chaotic_Shield> brb
[06:09] <thoreauputic> Chaotic_Shield: you can symlink that to /media/cdrom if you wish
[06:09] <ma3x> can nautilius erase DVD/CDRW disc?
[06:09] <Goodspeed> how do i untar a bz2
[06:09] <snowblink> [Spooky] , you should be sudoing stuff.
[06:09] <MrMo> bo, but lets start with what flavor of ubuntu you got? warty, hoary, breezy?
[06:10] <bo> i need to set a second pc (windows) to print through me
[06:10] <windex> neat. watch the music player not suck with mp3 support! :D
[06:10] <MrMo> ma3x, yep it should be able to do that too
[06:10] <mjr> ma3x, I think it offers to erase data when trying to burn on one
[06:10] <MrMo> ma3x, but I feel like you might like 'gnomebacker'
[06:10] <bo> sorry hoary
[06:10] <MrMo> ma3x, you can get that from synaptic iirc.
[06:10] <MrMo> ma3x, http://www.ubuntuguide.org is your friend.
[06:10] <cefx> Morning.  I have two problems.  I still can't find my USB Hard Drive anywhere as a device to mount it.  IS there USB mass storage support in the Ubuntu amd64 kernel?
[06:10] <[Spooky] > snowblink: yeah but have some trouble with hostname :/
[06:10] <windex> !guide
[06:10] <ubotu> windex: I don't know
[06:10] <skalpel> how can i change the font that ubuntu uses during bootup and the one used for console screens?
[06:10] <snowblink> [Spooky] , describe problem
[06:11] <windex> !ubuntuguide
[06:11] <ubotu> well, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[06:11] <windex> :)
[06:11] <MrMo> bo, hmmm System->Administraion->Printers
[06:11] <thoreauputic> Goodspeed:  tar xjvf <file.tar.bz2>
[06:11] <bo> yes
[06:11] <mjr> cefx, there is, though I've ran into some generic usb2 recognition and use problems
[06:11] <[Spooky] > snowblink: getting this when doing sudo "sudo: unable to lookup linux via gethostbyname()"
[06:11] <snowblink> [Spooky] , sudo vi /etc/hosts
[06:11] <MrMo> bo, did you read ubuntuguide.org?
[06:12] <derBuddist> hi @ all
[06:12] <snowblink> [Spooky] , make sure your hostname is the same as in /etc/hostname
[06:12] <ma3x> MrMo, I am opening it now
[06:12] <MrMo> bo, I'm having a hard time remembering how to setup the samba server ... :/
[06:12] <derBuddist> can somebody help me???????
[06:12] <ma3x> but GNOMEbaker is not included in synaptic?
[06:12] <MrMo> derBuddist, ganz schn aggressiv fr so einen nick!
[06:12] <bo> MrMo yes couldn't quite find anything useful
[06:12] <derBuddist> tschuldigung
[06:12] <skalpel> how do i change my gnome splach screen?
[06:12] <derBuddist> spricht hier jemand deutsch ??
[06:12] <MrMo> ma3x, weird I got it from synaptic.
[06:12] <zAo^> Error: your X configuration has been altered.
[06:12] <zAo^>   >> Who can help me?
[06:13] <MrMo> derBuddist, immernoch zu viele fragezeichen!
[06:13] <thoreauputic> ma3x: gnomebaker is in the universe repo
[06:13] <derBuddist> sorry
[06:13] <windex> skalpel, System -> Prefrences -> Login Screen Setup
[06:13] <thoreauputic> !repos
[06:13] <ubotu> somebody said repos was at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:13] <ma3x> MrMo, maybe your sources.list is different than mine
[06:13] <windex> doh!
[06:13] <bo> get so far as to trying to configure samba (smb.conf)
[06:13] <windex> skalpel, not prefrences, 'administration.
[06:13] <ma3x> thoreauputic, but the universe repo is NOT supported
[06:13] <derBuddist> spricht hier jemand deutsch?
[06:13] <cefx> mjr, where will I find the device name of my hard drive? :/
[06:13] <Belutz> nerolinux is much way better than gnomebaker :D
[06:14] <thoreauputic> ma3x: it is comunity supported ( by the MOTU team)
[06:14] <vontrapp> yesterday, in an upgrade, firefox 1.0.6 installed, now, middlemouse.contentLoadURL does not work
[06:14] <MrMo> ma3x, ohhh... universie is NOT supported? so what? most people use even *different* sources than the usual ubuntu ones...
[06:14] <vontrapp> i have it set to true
[06:14] <[Spooky] > snowblink: done do i need to reboot ?
[06:14] <MrMo> Belutz, nerolinux is for turds
[06:14] <snowblink> [Spooky] , probably best to
[06:14] <vontrapp> i read in the forums a discussion about disabling this by default, did something break in the process?
[06:14] <thoreauputic> ma3x: universe is fine - just add it
[06:14] <vontrapp> i'm certainly fine with it disabled by default, but i want it to work when i enable it
[06:15] <derBuddist> how can I copy a file from cd-rom to the direction "home" ?
[06:15] <sexcopter8000m> hi, what programme can i use to string together some jpegs into a video/movie clip?
[06:15] <J_P> thoreauputic: hello, have equal problem as in useradd. I do " adduser --ingroup admin test". But in /et/group user "test"  not are in "admin:x:109:". Understand ?
[06:15] <ma3x> should I uncomment these two? # deb http://ch.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[06:15] <ma3x> # deb-src http://ch.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[06:15] <vontrapp> MrMo: you mean like me using Debian Unstable sources with ubuntu?
[06:15] <MrMo> derBuddist, open CD, *rightclick* *select* *copy* .... open *home* *rightclick* *past*
[06:15] <thoreauputic> derBuddist: cp /media/cdrom/path/to/file /home/yourusername
[06:16] <derBuddist> i have only the bracket!
[06:16] <MrMo> vontrapp, well yea for example something like that... or adding in someone *private* ubuntu sources ;)
[06:16] <ma3x> and then apt-get update; apt-get upgrade?
[06:16] <thoreauputic> J_P: *sigh* are you trying to give a user sudo privileges? If so read  man visudo
[06:17] <J_P> thoreauputic: not not... is any group...
[06:17] <cefx> Yo.
[06:17] <cefx> dpkg -l w32codecs doesn't find w32codecs and I can't play this .avi file.
[06:17] <J_P> thoreauputic: add for example for video roup not work too..
[06:17] <thoreauputic> J_P: adduser is trivially simple to use: sudo adduser <nameof user> <groupyou want user in>
[06:17] <J_P> thoreauputic: please, test you that..  and you will be see user not are add in /etc/group..
[06:17] <MrMo> ma3x, update should be sufficient
[06:18] <ma3x> MrMo, ok
[06:18] <thoreauputic> J_P: I don't need to test it: I know how to use the command : you  need to read the man page it seems
[06:18] <sexcopter8000m> anyone? a programme for making video clips?
[06:19] <thoreauputic> J_P: as I said , it is trivially easy to use
[06:19] <J_P>  thoreauputic ahh is diferent to debian...
[06:19] <J_P> thoreauputic:  is need first crewate user..
[06:19] <thoreauputic> J_P: no it isn't
[06:19] <skalpel> is there any way to add a splash image to my bootup, like the linux penguin in slackware, for ubuntu?
[06:19] <J_P> and after add it to group thoreauputic
[06:19] <cefx> Hmmmm.
[06:19] <J_P> thoreauputic: right ?
[06:19] <cefx> Anyone know what codecs I need to play most movies?
[06:19] <ma3x> what's the easiest way to backup my ubuntu?
[06:19] <derBuddist> how can I see the files on my cdrom?
[06:19] <cefx> I can't find w32codecs.
[06:19] <ma3x> cefx, from marillat site
[06:19] <vontrapp> derBuddist: mount /cdrom
[06:20] <derBuddist> thx
[06:20] <snowblink> J_P, man usermod
[06:20] <vontrapp> it's supposed to be automatic, but i've seen a few cases where it needs to be mounted manually
[06:20] <punkass> anyone know why networking would just stop working..no updates, just rebooted and poof no wireless or ethernet, DCHP just times out
[06:20] <thoreauputic> ma3x: no - marillat is out of sync with hoary now: use hoary-extras
[06:20] <J_P> snowblink: ok
[06:21] <cefx> Anyone know where I will see my USB HDD ?  I can't grep dmesg for /dev/sda...there's nothing about it in there.
[06:21] <cefx> nor /var/log/messages
[06:22] <wdh> cefx, /var/log/kern.log maybe?
[06:22] <ma3x> how do I backup ubuntu on DVD?
[06:22] <punkass> i know the router works fine as there is a knoppix and XP machine connected to it fine
[06:22] <bur[n] er> cefx: no desktpo icon?
[06:22] <skalpel> is there any way to add a splash image to my bootup, like the linux penguin in slackware, for ubuntu?
[06:22] <J_P> snowblink: but is possible for example i add one user and include it ine users group for example using adduser/useradd ?
[06:22] <bur[n] er> skalpel: look into "bootsplash"
[06:22] <ma3x> skalpel, just turn on the pc and act like a penguin!
[06:22] <bur[n] er> skalpel: not for the faint of heart
[06:22] <[Spooky] > hm still having trouble with hostname :/
[06:23] <bur[n] er> skalpel: or wait for Breezy ;)  i hear it should be there
[06:23] <skalpel> i am not faint of heart but i am new to linux, what do you think?
[06:23] <derBuddist> how can I extracte the files from a *.tgz-paket ?
[06:23] <Chaotic_Shield> bah.
[06:23] <wdh> derBuddist, tar xvzf *.tgz
[06:23] <derBuddist> thx
[06:23] <Chaotic_Shield> cdrom drive not mounting.
[06:23] <Chaotic_Shield> That's stupid.
[06:23] <snowblink> [Spooky] , your hostname in /etc/hostname is the same as the one on your localhost line?
[06:24] <ma3x> Howto Backup Ubuntu?
[06:24] <[Spooky] > snowblink: edited the hostname file and hosts and used the hostname to set it and its still complaining..
[06:24] <[Spooky] > snowblink: how do i see the localhost ?
[06:24] <drcodedd2> Hi all
[06:24] <snowblink> J_P, yes you can. man adduser
[06:25] <drcodedd2> any one mybe know good realtime sync folder software that also work in windows?
[06:25] <snowblink> [Spooky] ,  your /etc/hosts file should have 127.0.0.1       localhost.localdomain   localhost yourhostname
[06:25] <derBuddist> hi
[06:26] <Chaotic_Shield> BAH.
[06:26] <thoreauputic> J_P: the changes you make will only show up on re-logging in
[06:26] <Chaotic_Shield> Why won't you mount you STUPID CDROM DRIVE.
[06:26] <catch> Hi all, I am currently running hoary, but need the newer version of subversion from breezy, can anyone point me in the right direction on how to do this?
[06:26] <Chaotic_Shield> this is pissing me off.
[06:26] <[Spooky] > snowblink: done now reboot and see brb
[06:26] <J_P> snowblink: i try using this : root@neo:~ # adduser --ingroup users test3. If i do : root@neo:~ # id test3 show : "uid=1005(test3) gid=100(users) groups=100(users)". But look this :
[06:26] <J_P> root@neo:~ # grep -i users /etc/group
[06:26] <J_P> users:x:100:
[06:27] <J_P> thoreauputic: and snowblink understand now ?
[06:27] <cefx> ubuntu sucks.
[06:27] <cefx> I can't watch my movies
[06:27] <cefx> I can't mount my hard drive
[06:27] <cefx> whee
[06:27] <Chaotic_Shield> O_O
[06:27] <Chaotic_Shield> tbh, user error.
[06:27] <Chaotic_Shield> What FS is your hard drive?
[06:27] <cefx> NTFS
[06:27] <cefx> It's not user error.
[06:27] <cefx> It's not /dev/sda1.
[06:27] <Chaotic_Shield> Yes it is.
[06:27] <derBuddist> How can I create a formatters ?
[06:28] <cefx> It's not in dmesg.
[06:28] <cefx> It's not in /var/log/messages.
[06:28] <Chaotic_Shield> fdisk -l
[06:28] <Chaotic_Shield> see what comes up.
[06:28] <cefx> it's not listed.
[06:28] <cefx> it's not mounted.
[06:28] <Goodspeed> how do i rename something in terminal
[06:28] <Goodspeed> sudo
[06:28] <Chaotic_Shield> It's not hooked up properly.
[06:28] <bigbootay> it's called a meatware issue.
[06:28] <cefx> yes, it is
[06:28] <skalpel> how do i change my splash screen in gnome?
[06:28] <J_P> snowblink: see ?
[06:28] <Chaotic_Shield> Even unmounted partitions will show up.
[06:28] <thoreauputic> Goodspeed: mv oldname newname
[06:28] <cefx> I see.
[06:29] <cefx> Well, let me reboot and use the FireWire cable or a different usb port.
[06:29] <cefx> brb
[06:29] <Chaotic_Shield> anyways.
[06:29] <catch> Hi all, I am currently running hoary, but need the newer version of subversion from breezy, can anyone point me in the right direction on how to do this?
[06:29] <Chaotic_Shield> Why won't you mount stupid cdrom drive?
[06:29] <J_P> thoreauputic: see that sentence above ?
[06:30] <strykewulf> hey guys im having a problem here trying to dl and install thunderbird
[06:30] <strykewulf>  sudo apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird
[06:30] <strykewulf> Reading package lists... Done
[06:30] <strykewulf> Building dependency tree... Done
[06:30] <strykewulf> You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
[06:30] <strykewulf> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[06:30] <strykewulf>   mozilla-firefox-gnome-support: Depends: firefox-gnome-support but it is not going to be installed
[06:30] <strykewulf> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[06:30] <[Spooky] > snowblink: worked like a charm, thanks for the help :)
[06:30] <catch> strykewulf there is a reason why pastebin exists
[06:30] <Chaotic_Shield> strykewulf, have you tried running apt-get -f install?
[06:30] <strykewulf> i tried
[06:30] <skalpel> can i change my console screen font?
[06:30] <strykewulf> lemme try again
[06:30] <Chaotic_Shield> and honestly, paste in the pastebin.
[06:31] <snowblink> [Spooky] , np
[06:31] <bluefoxicy> ok
[06:31] <Chaotic_Shield> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl <--- paste there.
[06:31] <dimitris> skalpel. edit your console profile
[06:31] <snowblink> J_P, hmmmm
[06:31] <bluefoxicy> how long before the firefox vulns are fixed?
[06:31] <Thewarmachine> SCO Group Inc. OpenServer 6: see how sco rips off the plastik theme!!
[06:31] <Thewarmachine> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,,1841361,00.asp
[06:31] <skalpel> dimitris: how do i do that?
[06:31] <J_P> snowblink: yes :-) now you see... I am happy !!
[06:32] <Chaotic_Shield> BAH.
[06:32] <strykewulf> i tired the apt-get -f installand it gave me the same error
[06:32] <strykewulf> i also tried getting winrar and it gave me the same thing
[06:32] <Chaotic_Shield> strykewulf, try using Synpatic to install your packages from now on.
[06:32] <strykewulf> how do i do that
[06:32] <Chaotic_Shield> and winrar is a windows program, hence WINrar
[06:32] <strykewulf> ok, rar archiver
[06:32] <J_P> snowblink: but if after i do this : "adduser test3 users"  user test3 is add in /etc/group.
[06:32] <snowblink> J_P, can you try against a new group?
[06:32] <Chaotic_Shield> sudo /usr/sbin/synaptic
[06:33] <snowblink> J_P, ah
[06:33] <Chaotic_Shield> I think that's the binary anyways.
[06:33] <J_P> snowblink: yes... and have euqal problem
[06:33] <J_P> snowblink: i try add another diferente group... too
[06:33] <snowblink> J_P, does your test3 already exist?
[06:33] <J_P> and really not work...
[06:33] <J_P> snowblink: for "adduser test3 users"  yes
[06:33] <Chaotic_Shield> Gone
[06:33] <J_P> snowblink: for me do "adduser test3 users"  i need test3 calready created
[06:34] <J_P> snowblink: can you test in your machine ?
[06:34] <thoreauputic> J_P: as I told you about half an hour ago, logout and login to see your changes take effect
[06:34] <J_P> snowblink: you will be see in /etc/group that user you add not are in /etc/group, but one id "user" show correct group.
[06:34] <J_P> thoreauputic: yes, i try.. not work..
[06:34] <J_P> thoreauputic: i reboot too
[06:35] <J_P> thoreauputic: i try in 4 direrentes ubuntu machine
[06:35] <thoreauputic> J_P: then your synatax is wrong
[06:35] <J_P> thoreauputic: please, then tell me correct syntax.
[06:35] <Lizardking> hello everyone, i have a problem with apt, every time i try to remove something i get a msg similar to this:  Stopping ipppd... ./MAKEDEV: don't know how to make device "isdn"
[06:35] <snowblink> J_P, thoreauputic , have to run. Sorry can't help more.
[06:35] <thoreauputic> J_P: adduser <username> <group>   it really is that simple
[06:35] <skalpel> how do i change my console screen font?
[06:36] <Lizardking> and then the lines:
[06:36] <Lizardking> dpkg: error processing ipppd (--remove):
[06:36] <Lizardking>  subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
[06:36] <Lizardking> Errors were encountered while processing:
[06:36] <thoreauputic> J_P: e.g. adduser peter users
[06:36] <Lizardking> is there a way to correct that
[06:36] <J_P> thoreauputic: but <username> need are already created on system ?
[06:36] <thoreauputic> J_P: of course!
[06:36] <skalpel> can someone tell me how to change my console font?
[06:36] <J_P> thoreauputic: i need without peter created..
[06:36] <zAo^> which groups do I need to start gdm, xfce4 and beep-media-player?
[06:37] <bur[n] er> anyone using Upower?  and maybe have a screenshot?
[06:37] <bur[n] er> zAo^: audio
[06:37] <cefx> Hi.  So I see that the drive is seen in the messages.
[06:37] <J_P> thoreauputic: how in "useradd andrea -c "Andrea Viana da Silva" -s /bin/false (ou bash) -g csp -G desenvolvimento -d /home/andrea -m"
[06:37] <thoreauputic> J_P: man useradd
[06:37] <zAo^> bur[n] er, the new gnome-power-mgt?
[06:37] <zAo^> thanks bur[n] er
[06:37] <J_P> thoreauputic: that aboce comamdn work in debian, in ubuntu not
[06:37] <cefx> Aug  2 13:31:52 localhost kernel: Attached scsi disk sda at scsi5, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
[06:37] <cefx> whee
[06:37] <cefx> !!!
[06:37] <ubotu> from memory, ! is what u add before a sentence to talk to me
[06:38] <bur[n] er> zAo^:  nope... upower is like bootsplash
[06:38] <cefx> um wtf?
[06:38] <globule> hi !
[06:38] <bur[n] er> just read about it on the wiki
[06:38] <cefx> mount point does not exist?
[06:38] <zAo^> bur[n] er, srry.
[06:38] <J_P> thoreauputic: or simply : "adduser --ingroup users test" not work. user test are in group users(looking with "id test"). bnut not are in /etc/group. Understand.
[06:39] <bur[n] er> zAo^:  if you're interested... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UPower :)
[06:40] <raDeon> where can i get cool ubuntu wallpaper
[06:40] <cefx> FUCK
[06:40] <PlanarPlatypus> raDeon, http://www.gnome-look.org
[06:41] <raDeon> danke
[06:41] <cefx> PlanarPlatypus, you have any idea why i can't see my external usb hard drive?
[06:41] <cefx> I just switched usb ports.
[06:41] <Kev0r> anybody here who knows how to tweak automatic USB-stick mounting with Hotplug?
[06:41] <zAo^> J_P, I know what you did wrong
[06:42] <zAo^> J_P, the username must be at the END of the command
[06:42] <PlanarPlatypus> cefx, yoou mean it was in one port and you could see it and then you put it in another port and it didn't come back?
[06:42] <Kev0r> Seveas: Do you have a clue on my problem? been stuggling with it for so long... :(
[06:42] <cefx> no
[06:42] <cefx> haven't been able to see it
[06:42] <cefx> Aug  2 13:31:14 localhost kernel: sda : READ CAPACITY failed.
[06:42] <cefx> Aug  2 13:31:14 localhost kernel: sda : status=0, message=00, host=0, driver=04
[06:42] <cefx> Aug  2 13:31:14 localhost kernel: sda : sense not available.
[06:43] <J_P> zAo^: ok, i go try
[06:43] <J_P> zAo^: hey, but are END of command : "adduser --ingroup users test"
[06:43] <raDeon> what is an image view that can open up multiple images at once?
[06:43] <J_P> zAo^: see ?
[06:44] <strykewulf> what does the bar next to where u type stuff in in xchat mean?
[06:44] <zAo^> J_P, usermod -g audio -d /home/rotsblok -m rotsblok worked here
[06:44] <skalpel> where do i go to edit my grub config?
[06:44] <strykewulf> what is grub?
[06:44] <skalpel> a bootloader
[06:44] <skalpel> used by ubuntu
[06:44] <strykewulf> oh
[06:45] <Spudchat> i think its used durin boot up
[06:45] <skalpel> it is.
[06:45] <J_P> zAo^: but you already have "rotsblok" created right ?
[06:45] <skalpel> i am trying to change my console font
[06:45] <mjr> skalpel, /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:45] <Spudchat> nice im new to linux but tryin to learn :)
[06:45] <skalpel> can anyone help me?
[06:45] <bur[n] er> skalpel: check the wiki :P
[06:45] <PlanarPlatypus> cefx, that looks like your drive is being odd.  I assume you have tried the usual unplug it and then plug it back in
[06:45] <bur[n] er> skalpel: it's there
[06:45] <strykewulf> im new to linux
[06:45] <neclutz> hi guys
[06:45] <skalpel> spudchat: this is the best place to be then
[06:45] <_linuxAS_> hi
[06:45] <Spudchat> :)
[06:45] <skalpel> bur[n] er: ok
[06:45] <neclutz> just testing my bitchx
[06:45] <newubuntu> hey i have ubuntu 5.04 how can i voice chat wit it with yahoo
[06:45] <skalpel> !wiki
[06:45] <cefx> Yeah.  Will it detect hotplugging USB?
[06:45] <cefx> I hope I didn't fry it :(((
[06:45] <PlanarPlatypus> cefx, it should
[06:46] <cefx> ok, i'll try -another- port ;D
[06:46] <skalpel> bur[n] er: wiki.ubuntuguide.com right?
[06:46] <strykewulf> hey guys can you try to go to the website im hosting. http://69.175.153.27/
[06:46] <PlanarPlatypus> heh
[06:46] <zAo^> J_P, yes
[06:46] <bur[n] er> skalpel: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BootText
[06:46] <J_P> zAo^: question is : how create and add that user for "users" group for example in unic command,... ?
[06:46] <boguh> why is there no fvwm-themes package?
[06:46] <bur[n] er> skalpel: wiki is wiki.ubuntu.com
[06:47] <zAo^> J_P, put the username at the end at the useradd command
[06:47] <rob_p> strykewulf:  No!  Nothing comes up!
[06:47] <newubuntu> I HAVE UBUNTU 5.04 AND I HAVE YAHOO MESSENGER HOW CAN I GET VOICE CHAT OUT OF IT
[06:47] <skalpel> bur[n] er: if i change my boot font will it continue to use that fontsize in the console? because i have already changed my boot font
[06:47] <gigaclon> newubuntu, you can start by stop shouting
[06:47] <zAo^> what group do I need to run the xterm?
[06:47] <J_P> zAo^: look, username are in the END. "adduser --ingroup users test"
[06:47] <newubuntu> i wasnt shouting
[06:48] <newubuntu> i was making sure people can see it
[06:48] <gigaclon> CAPS = shouting
[06:48] <newubuntu> caps is not shouting
[06:48] <newubuntu> yelling is shouting
[06:48] <strykewulf> nice one newubuntu
[06:48] <strykewulf> touche
[06:48] <Spudchat> maybe im a bit deaf but im not blind
[06:48] <X-Rulez> hello
[06:48] <J_P> zAo^: in debian work this "adduser --ingroup users test" or "useradd test-g users". But not in ubuntu. I ubuntu in /etc/passwd show correct group number, but not show user "test" in /etc/group understand ?
[06:49] <gigaclon> well since the net is a visual not a auditory medium
[06:49] <ColonelKernel> how can I get mozilla to reload a page every 5 seconds?
[06:49] <strykewulf> debian shebian
[06:49] <ColonelKernel> w/o doing it manually
[06:49] <newubuntu> I HAVE UBUNTU 5.04 AND I HAVE YAHOO MESSENGER HOW CAN I GET VOICE CHAT OUT OF IT
[06:49] <X-Rulez> i want to play mp3 on my pc but  it doesn't works can someone help me ????
[06:49] <gigaclon> caps is the equivalent of shouthing
[06:49] <strykewulf> apt-get install totem, x-rulez?
[06:49] <tikka> X-Rulez, beep media player should work i think
[06:49] <ColonelKernel> newubuntu, turn off your capslock - and you cant.
[06:49] <newubuntu> my gosh
[06:49] <tikka> totum comes with ubuntu out of the box and it sucks
[06:49] <ColonelKernel> currently theres no yahoo voice chat for linux - or yahoo video
[06:49] <bur[n] er> X-Rulez: they are all wrong, you need some special packages to get an mp3 decoder
[06:50] <bur[n] er> X-Rulez: go to the ubuntuguide.com and read about it
[06:50] <bur[n] er> totem rules :)
[06:50] <newubuntu> hey gig you wanna see what shouting is
[06:50] <newubuntu> lol
[06:50] <X-Rulez> an where can i get this ?
[06:50] <tikka> burner lol with the right decoders sure ;p
[06:50] <J_P> please, if anyone know how "adduser --ingroup users test" or "useradd test -g users" add user "test" in /etc/group as in debian tell me. Thenk you!
[06:50] <raDeon> newubuntu, you shape up
[06:50] <raDeon> you are a guest in this channel
[06:50] <tikka> but im a lamer and mine sucks :D
[06:50] <raDeon> with people trying to help you
[06:50] <X-Rulez> noo with totem it doesn't work
[06:50] <djp> X-Rulez: under totem-gstreamer (default player) you need the gstreamer0.8-mad codec
[06:50] <newubuntu> last time i checked i was in shape
[06:50] <bur[n] er> X-Rulez: get the gstreamer-mad package :P
[06:50] <raDeon> shape up
[06:50] <newubuntu> but this ubuntu wit installing software can be a pain in the ass
[06:50] <X-Rulez> where can i get this ?
[06:50] <bur[n] er> X-Rulez: it's in universe
[06:51] <bur[n] er> X-Rulez: and go to the ubuntuguide.com :P
[06:51] <raDeon> newubuntu, only if you're an idiot
[06:51] <bur[n] er> same questions everyday ;)
[06:51] <bur[n] er> www.ubuntuguide.org <--real link... not .com
[06:51] <X-Rulez> ok
[06:51] <bur[n] er> my bad
[06:51] <skalpel> bur[n] er: if i change my boot font will it continue to use that fontsize in the console? because i have already changed my boot font
[06:52] <newubuntu> no only people like you that is an ignorant fuck
[06:52] <skalpel> newubuntu: go, and never blight my channel again
[06:52] <bur[n] er> X-Rulez: better link still:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:52] <newubuntu> ur channel you dont own this
[06:52] <bur[n] er> skalpel: no idea, i haven't done it
[06:52] <newubuntu> lol
[06:52] <newubuntu> my gosh
[06:52] <cefx> It found it using firewire!!
[06:52] <cefx> yayyyy!
[06:52] <newubuntu> the only thing you own is a box of cracks
[06:52] <newubuntu> crackers
[06:53] <cefx> Where is w32codecs at?
[06:53] <icewt> backports
[06:53] <strykewulf> cefx check www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:53] <cefx> i did dpkg -l and it didnt get it
[06:53] <raDeon> i think they should only send the ubuntu cds to people with IQ above 60
[06:53] <cefx> oh, thanks
[06:53] <newubuntu> kids these days
[06:53] <Spudchat> lol
[06:53] <newubuntu> they never learn
[06:53] <strykewulf> apt-get install w32codecs
[06:53] <deprave> cefx
[06:53] <D1> its strange
[06:53] <newubuntu> so sad
[06:53] <strykewulf> apt-get install w32codecs
[06:53] <Chaotic_Shield> raDeon, I agree. You should have to pass an IQ test.
[06:53] <newubuntu> so weird
[06:54] <nickrud> newubuntu, we try to maintain this attitude here http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[06:54] <cefx> deprave
[06:54] <D1> the official backports isn't as updated as the mirrors are.
[06:54] <D1> but good thing they're official now.
[06:54] <newubuntu> so strange
[06:54] <X-Rulez> this is to much to read for me an i didn't understand everything i'm from germany ^^
[06:54] <tikka> X-Rulez,  try windows.
[06:54] <skalpel> what command would i use if i wante dto get some info on an ip?
[06:54] <Chaotic_Shield> X-Rulez, you tried joining #ubuntu-de?
[06:54] <newubuntu> ya and it says about ignorant people like radeon
[06:54] <cefx> Couldn't find packages w32codecs...going to the guide..brb
[06:54] <newubuntu> did you read about that
[06:55] <Chaotic_Shield> X-Rulez, type /join #ubuntu-de for help in German
[06:55] <sagitta> hi, can anyone tell me if and how I can get num lock on by default (in hoary)?
[06:55] <flow> hi
[06:55] <Chaotic_Shield> skalpel, whois <ip>
[06:55] <X-Rulez> ok
[06:55] <X-Rulez> cu
[06:55] <Spudchat> did anyone install cedega like the wiki says and install battelfield2 sucessfully?
[06:55] <tikka> Sorry to be a pain but I am looking for information to understand .dsc packages
[06:55] <tikka> any suggestions ?
[06:55] <Chaotic_Shield> tikka, google perchance?
[06:55] <tikka> Spudchat, i know a guy who might have
[06:55] <skalpel> chaotic_shield: thank you
[06:55] <flow> im having a problem with evince.... it cant view certain pdf files
[06:55] <floo> Is there any way i can tell VLV to look in /usr/local/lib to find libdvdcss?
[06:55] <arpan> hi, i was trying to install Firefox 1.0.6 on Ubuntu (using Synaptic), but it failed, and now firefox aint starting up!
[06:55] <flow> im using ver 0.32
[06:55] <tikka> Chaotic_Shield, i was hoping for keywords you shit bag
[06:55] <arpan> earlier atleast 1.0.2 was working
[06:56] <arpan> what shud I do to get it going again?
[06:56] <Spudchat> hmm i get to the install screen then it freezes
[06:56] <Chaotic_Shield> Hey, watch your mouth. I'm just making a suggestion.
[06:56] <wrykyn> I just installed eric3 with apt-get.  When I try to use it I get the following errors:Traceback (most recent call last):
[06:56] <wrykyn>   File "/usr/lib/site-python/eric3/eric3.py", line 147, in ?
[06:56] <wrykyn>     main()
[06:56] <icewt> arpan, are you using backports?
[06:56] <D1> how is gstreamer compared to xine? last I tried it couldn't play proprietary formats.
[06:56] <arpan> u mean the apt repo?
[06:56] <tikka> Chaotic_Shield,  I have already tried and failed.. hence bugging you guys :D
[06:57] <wrykyn> Any ideas how I can fix this?
[06:57] <arpan> u mean the apt repo? icewt
[06:57] <PlanarPlatypus> D1, it kinda works, some files give you sound but no video though
[06:57] <arpan> yeah I am using them
[06:57] <cefx> So btw
[06:57] <cefx> the guide SUCKS. :)
[06:57] <Chaotic_Shield> well, that's fine then, but shit bag isn't
[06:57] <D1> oh, hmm.
[06:57] <cefx> It has nothing about installing codecs.
[06:57] <D1> oh well, as long as xine is around, all works well for me.
[06:57] <djp> D1: it can playback most formats. as far as i know all formats i have tried to use with it work
[06:57] <Spudchat> it does you must be in the wrong spot
[06:57] <D1> good thing its progressing.
[06:57] <djp> PlanarPlatypus: which ones?
[06:57] <cefx> djp: What do I need to play most formats?
[06:58] <Spudchat> i found divx for linux on there
[06:58] <cefx> I'm in the amd64 section...
[06:58] <nJess> is there a linux equivilant to quickbooks?
[06:58] <cefx> is there no avi playback in amd64? :(
[06:58] <D1> cefx,
[06:58] <D1> this might help
[06:58] <D1> http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[06:58] <Spudchat> divx
[06:58] <PlanarPlatypus> djp, all the ones which did it to me are .avi but I think it is something special about he encoding which does it
[06:58] <Chaotic_Shield> tikka, I have nfi where to find info about .dsc
[06:58] <D1> if you're using gstreamer I think.
[06:58] <nickrud> nJess, I use gnucash for that
[06:58] <djp> cefx: you need to install gstreamer0.8-plugins (meta package) and gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
[06:58] <Chaotic_Shield> but I want to freakin MOUNT MY CDROM DRIVE.
[06:58] <nJess> nickrud, is the interface similar?
[06:58] <Spudchat> totem plays avis just fine on my friends 64bit sys
[06:59] <Chaotic_Shield> that's it.
[06:59] <Chaotic_Shield> restart2win.
[06:59] <floo> c'mon guys, i need help getting vlc to find libdvdcss in usr/local/lib
[06:59] <djp> PlanarPlatypus: all avi's i have thrown at totem-gstreamer work. like you say though, could be something to do with the avi's encoding...
[06:59] <cefx> djpg: I don't think they have an ffmpeg for amd64 ;p
[07:00] <djp> cefx: oh, i am not sure about that. maybe someone else can advise you
[07:00] <mjr> cefx, we do
[07:00] <_icebreaker_> how can i change the standard os in grub?
[07:00] <cefx> mjr: oh? why can't i find the ffmpeg or w32codecs packages?
[07:01] <bur[n] er> cefx: universe
[07:01] <cefx> ?
[07:01] <remmus> whenever i started, i got pop up warning "Missing command to run" how to fix it?
[07:02] <izmaelis> _icebreaker_, you mean like which os is loading by default after some time or what?
[07:02] <bur[n] er> oh, nm, 64, i have no idea
[07:02] <remmus> would anybody please help me
[07:02] <remmus> whenever i started, i got pop up warning "Missing command to run" how to fix it?
[07:03] <nubbe> cefx, I thought w32codecs was in backports
[07:03] <Chaotic_Shield> sigh
[07:03] <Chaotic_Shield> it mounts when I restart.
[07:03] <Chaotic_Shield> It no like bay devices.
[07:03] <D1> nubbe, it is.
[07:03] <D1> you're not seeing it?
[07:04] <cefx> nubbe: not for amd64.
[07:04] <Zornst> Is there anyone around who could help me with a software RAID/LVM problem?
[07:04] <D1> oh.
[07:04] <nubbe> cefx, oki, my bad
[07:04] <PlanarPlatypus> Zornst, depends what it is
[07:04] <remmus> whenever i started, i got pop up warning "Missing command to run"
[07:04] <remmus> how to fix this
[07:04] <cefx> fack
[07:05] <Ave> is there a way to get xorg 7.0rc0 into hoary?
[07:05] <nubbe> cefx Have u tried marillat? No idea if he got stuff that works tho
[07:05] <Zornst> well, PlanarPlatypus, when I boot I get a message that one of my raid arrays isn't clean, and that its starting background reconstruction
[07:05] <Zornst> I get a few other messages, and then it says its stopping with one task remaining
[07:05] <Chaotic_Shield> XMMS plays mp3's, yes?
[07:05] <_icebreaker__> izmaelis, yes exactly
[07:06] <zever> Chaotic_Shield, yes
[07:06] <izmaelis> _icebreaker__, so you must edit your grub.conf
[07:06] <ompaul> !restricted formats
[07:06] <ubotu> methinks restricted formats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[07:06] <Chaotic_Shield> grub.conf2win.
[07:06] <Ave> Zornst: what does it say for: cat /proc/mdstat
[07:06] <ompaul> Chaotic_Shield, that last url from ubotu was for you :)
[07:06] <_icebreaker__> izmaelis, where is it located /etc/ ?
[07:07] <Ave> Zornst: or mdadm array query commands
[07:07] <bo> need help on printing .. windows box through my linux box
[07:07] <Zornst> I can't can't cat anything.  I don't get a shell, or even close to a getting a shell
[07:07] <Ave> ah hmm, well cant you boot in degraded mode
[07:07] <raDeon> bo, good luck with all that
[07:07] <skalpel> hello, i have made a mistake in my /lib/lsb/init-functions file and now i need to correct it, but ubuntu will only boot into a read-only filesystem, how do i fix this?
[07:08] <Zornst> what would I do to boot in degraded mode?
[07:08] <Ave> Zornst: are you having raid1?
[07:08] <izmaelis> _icebreaker__, sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:09] <skalpel> how do i mount my ubuntu install from a ubuntu live cd?
[07:09] <Zornst> yes, raid 1
[07:09] <Ave> Zornst: boot from rescue media and remove faulty drive from array(s) with mdadm
[07:09] <Ave> or take out the drive entirely, physically
[07:09] <Ave> but it has to be the drive thats marked dirty
[07:09] <Zornst> ok, let me try booting from a CD
[07:10] <skalpel> how do i mount my ubuntu install from a ubuntu live cd?
[07:11] <cefx> let's see how fast ubuntu is at loading stuff :P
[07:11] <_icebreaker__> izmaelis, can'T fins how to setup the default
[07:11] <cefx> music files
[07:11] <cefx> oh wtf they cant handle .mp3 files?
[07:11] <rob_p> skalpel:  What were you doing messing with /lib/lsb/init-functions?  ...just curious is all!
[07:12] <Martin> My gam_server process from gamin is always around 90% CPU. Anybody has an idea?
[07:12] <skalpel> rob_p: i was changing my but font and i made a typo
[07:12] <skalpel> boot font
[07:12] <rob_p> skalpel:  Can't you change it back?
[07:12] <dylan_> Does Totem play QuickTime files?
[07:12] <izmaelis> _icebreaker__, look for a line: default             0
[07:12] <skalpel> rob_p: only after i mount the install partition from thsi live cd, which i do not know how to do
[07:12] <skalpel> =)
[07:13] <piksi> ok so it seems i'm one of those plenty people who have s-ata drive with ultra ata (ide?) emulation that doesn't let the installation of ubuntu continue (no cd detected) .....??
[07:13] <skalpel> rob_p: ubuntu is booting into a read-only filesystem and i cannot edit the file
[07:13] <mjr> dylan_, depends on what codec is used in them
[07:13] <dylan_> mjr:  what codec should i use?
[07:13] <piksi> is this an addressed bug in the current ubuntu or something stranger?
[07:13] <rob_p> skalpel:  Oh... read only... I see!  Can you boot to single user mode?
[07:13] <mjr> dylan_, something that's supported?
[07:14] <skalpel_> what is that about?
[07:14] <mjr> mpeg-4 is all the rage today, and even though patented, is available from universe
[07:14] <dylan_> mjr:  sure, whatever....what can i use to play quicktime files in linux?  (not from the console)
[07:14] <mjr> (I don't think quicktime can do theora)
[07:14] <mjr> dylan_, I refer to my first answer
[07:14] <dylan_> mjr:  what codec can i get?
[07:15] <Zornst> crud, after loading the logo screen the CD isn't doing anything more
[07:15] <mjr> dylan_, mpeg-4, and maybe some earlier sorenson codecs, I think
[07:15] <dylan_> thanks
[07:15] <skalpel_> can someone tell me how to mount my ubuntu partition from a live cd?
[07:15] <_icebreaker__> izmaelis, ok i changed that. what command must i run to change thinks?
[07:15] <Ave> Zornst: :-\ well I guess your only option then is to remove the faulty drive frmo the bus and try booting
[07:16] <izmaelis> you must save edited file and reboot pc to see changes
[07:16] <FinalFan> hi, does any one know if there's custom taxes in Portugal?
[07:17] <Zornst> actually, I got the CD to work, the prompt wasn't being displayed, but I was able to type rescue and hit enter
[07:17] <_icebreaker__> izmaelis, ok. just thougt it is like lilo...
[07:17] <ghost^|patrick> hi
[07:17] <ghost^|patrick> i am unable to boot to shell or gui
[07:17] <jadedstar> FinalFan: I'm sure there are, however I have no clue what they might be.
[07:17] <rob_p> skalpel_:  If you can boot to single user mode, you should be able to fix the corrupt config file...
[07:17] <ghost^|patrick> at bootup time suddenly a password is needed
[07:18] <FinalFan> ok,tnx
[07:18] <jadedstar> FinalFan: No problem
[07:18] <Martin> my gam_server problem has been happening on two Dell laptop I have. I found other peoples having the same problem with google but no solutions.
[07:18] <skalpel_> rob_p: how do i do that?
[07:18] <rob_p> skalpel_:  are you using grub or lilo?
[07:18] <ghost^|patrick> the problem i got is that neither my user ids nor any of my passwords are accepted
[07:18] <ghost^|patrick> even in the save mode i cant access anything
[07:18] <skalpel_> rob_p: i get an error about the filesystem not being there, something serious looking and then it boots me into a read only root login
[07:18] <ghost^|patrick> what should i do now?
[07:18] <skalpel_> rob_p: grub
[07:19] <ghost^|patrick> tty1
[07:19] <ghost^|patrick> is said there
[07:19] <FinalFan> What are the system requirements for Ubuntu? Is it heavy?
[07:19] <skalpel_> no.
[07:19] <mjr> FinalFan, not particularly
[07:20] <piksi> ok so it seems nobody is familiar with the intel 82801FBE and these fucked up s-ata module problems?
[07:20] <skalpel_> rob_p: should i try it in recovery mode?
[07:20] <piksi> :-(
[07:20] <Spudchat> id like to install vlc player what package should i get?
[07:20] <mjr> for the default gnome you do want some memory, preferrable at least 3 figures worth
[07:20] <ghost^|patrick> what can I do to reawake my ubuntu?
[07:20] <rob_p> skalpel_:  at the grub prompt, select the image to boot but hit, "e" instead and then append a comma, a space, and then the word, "single"
[07:20] <zever> !find vlc
[07:20] <skalpel_> ok
[07:20] <skalpel_> i will
[07:20] <ghost^|patrick> the recovery mode fails at the same point as the standard kernel boot
[07:21] <Martin> I have gamin0.0.26-0ubuntu3 installed. I eared that the 0.1 version could help but it is not compatible wity hoary.
[07:21] <thoreauputic> !info vlc
[07:21] <ubotu> vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.1-1ubuntu7 (hoary), Packaged size: 4867 kB, Installed size: 11816 kB
[07:21] <rob_p> skalpel_:  then enter... I think that will get you single user mode... hopefully :)
[07:21] <Spudchat> nice
[07:21] <Spudchat> thanks guys
[07:21] <andril> hello all*
[07:21] <flogiston> When i try to wine any program from my windows drive I en up with this error:Please use the registry key HKEY_CURRENT_CONFIG\Software\Fonts\LogPixels
[07:21] <flogiston> to set the screen resolution and remove the "Resolution" entry in the config file
[07:21] <flogiston> . What does it mean?
[07:22] <ghost^|patrick> what should i do
[07:22] <ghost^|patrick> which opportuinity have i now, since the linux cant boot up
[07:23] <ghost^|patrick> i think the cause of my problem is that i installed the ati driver from synaptic with reconfiguration of my x
[07:23] <levander> I've got a bunch of java development libraries I download to develop software against.  I've got to get them out of my home directory for size of backup purposes.  Where on the Linux file system are you supposed to put stuff like this?
[07:23] <Spudchat> found and installed :)
[07:23] <ghost^|patrick> 3hours it worked good, then i tried  to view the ogl screeensaver
[07:23] <ghost^|patrick> a that moment my system frooze
[07:23] <Martin> levander: I do use /opt
[07:23] <ghost^|patrick> ein neither could reboot the x server nor make anything else
[07:23] <haffe> Hi, does anybody have a clue as to when glitz will be incorporated in ubuntu?
[07:23] <ghost^|patrick> this morning i tried to boot up then but nothing happened
[07:24] <levander> Yeah, Martin, that's not a bad idea.  Might do that, any other suggestions?
[07:24] <ghost^|patrick> i only got the dump password request that asks me to log in as root
[07:24] <speel> any one try kde 3.4.2 yet?
[07:24] <Nomad_1> What's the best way to remove a linux installation and grub? (I know reformatting the harddrive that linux is installed on will do the first part, but what about grub which for me is on the MBR of another HD?)
[07:25] <levander> Martin, yeah, think I'm just gonna use /opt, that's better than the things I was thinking.  Thanks.
[07:25] <julietta^^^> hi there, which command would hash a string say: sha1sum << echo mypassword
[07:25] <julietta^^^> thanks a lot
[07:25] <Martin> levander: pleasure. I hope I'll find something about my gamin problem ;)
[07:26] <ghost^|patrick> nobody there who has an idea what i should try next`?
[07:26] <Ave> Nomad_1: install another bootloader OR zero the first 512 bytes of the hd, note that this will leave you with unbootable syste
[07:26] <mjr> Nomad_1, if it's not the boot HD, the MBR part of grub doesn't really do any harm; if it is, then just install a new boot sector for whatever you want booting there
[07:27] <thoreauputic> ghost^|patrick: just an idea - if you have a live CD boot it up, open the root terminal, mount the partitions of your Ubuntu, then chroot to the mount point and issue "telinit 1" to get single user mode: from there you may be able to boot by hitting ctrl-d
[07:27] <Harold> Morning/Afternoon/Night/Trauma everyone.
[07:28] <yccheok> hi, i had seen some desktop themese which is transparent. may i noe how i can do so? can anyone point me out the resource?
[07:28] <thoreauputic> ghost^|patrick: if this works I think you would at least have a root prompt in runlevel 1 to try to rescue from
[07:28] <ghost^|patrick> that crtl-d appears in the recovery mode
[07:28] <thoreauputic> ghost^|patrick: correct
[07:29] <ghost^|patrick> but after that i get the same password request as in the normal boot up
[07:29] <thoreauputic> ghost^|patrick: do you first get a # prompt  ?
[07:29] <thoreauputic> ghost^|patrick: if so, you have root already
[07:29] <ghost^|patrick> no
[07:30] <ghost^|patrick> first it asks me to login
[07:30] <ghost^|patrick> but all my passes and id as a failure
[07:30] <ghost^|patrick> then it says, procede with crtl-d
[07:30] <ghost^|patrick> then i have the same trouble as in the default kernel
[07:30] <cefx> Hey.  What's the command to burn an image to a CD in terminal?
[07:30] <cefx> I forget.
[07:31] <cefx> It has something to do with mkisofs :/
[07:31] <Nomad_1> Ave mjr: Thanks guys. I'll have to read about this stuff when I get off work.
[07:31] <thoreauputic> ghost^|patrick: if the kernel won't boot, you are more or less screwed
[07:31] <skalpel> rob_p: hi, i booted into single-user mode but was unable to edit the file i wanted to edit or anything, wat should i do?
[07:31] <rob_p> skalpel:  was the filesystem mounted read only?
[07:31] <BxN`> hello
[07:32] <ompaul> skalpel, what file did you want to edit?
[07:32] <ghost^|patrick> its after the hardware detection
[07:32] <BxN`> im about to try ubuntu and i wondered does it have the usual stuff like xMMS and firefox, an irc client etc etc?
[07:32] <skalpel> ompaul: /lib/lsb/init-functions
[07:32] <ghost^|patrick> the last thing i can read, taht the mice has been recognized
[07:32] <BxN`> also can i access my windows partition from ubuntu
[07:32] <siero> irc.tin.it
[07:32] <skalpel> rob_p: i do not think so, i just did not have access to a command to edit the file
[07:32] <thoreauputic> ghost^|patrick: worst case scenario: use the live CD to copy all your important data across the network or to a USB drive/stick etc
[07:32] <rob_p> skalpel:  you should have vi
[07:33] <ompaul> skalpel, to mount everything mount -a will mount all default items
[07:33] <djp> cefx: cdrecord -v dev=??? speed=? driveropts=burnfree -dao -eject foobar.iso
[07:33] <skalpel> rob_p: show me the command i should use once the filesystem is mounted, so i will know for sure, ok?
[07:33] <ghost^|patrick> thoreauputic: dont say i should format the drive
[07:33] <strykewulf> is there a way to let people connect to my website althouh i dont have a static ip
[07:33] <ghost^|patrick> :/
[07:33] <ghost^|patrick> that would be the 5th in 2 weeks
[07:33] <ghost^|patrick> crap
[07:33] <PlanarPlatypus> strykewulf, dyndns.org ?
[07:33] <ompaul> skalpel, nano is an editor that you could use
[07:33] <strykewulf> ty planar
[07:33] <skalpel> i tried using nano but i did not get anything, do i have to use mount -a first?
[07:34] <thoreauputic> ghost^|patrick: do you have more than one bootable kernel in /boot ?
[07:34] <ompaul> skalpel, you have to
[07:34] <ghost^|patrick> thoreauputic: ya, but nothin g worked
[07:34] <skalpel> ompaul: in single user mode, correct?
[07:34] <rob_p> skalpel:  vi /lib/lsb/init-functions
[07:34] <ghost^|patrick> 386 and k7
[07:34] <ghost^|patrick> nobody boots
[07:34] <skalpel> rob_p: alright, thank you
[07:34] <ghost^|patrick> none
[07:34] <thoreauputic> ghost^|patrick: you tried them from the grub menu?
[07:34] <skalpel> i will try that now.
[07:34] <skalpel> =)
[07:34] <om_> skalpel: you may not have permission to modify that file
[07:34] <om_> try sudo if it doesn't work
[07:34] <ghost^|patrick> thoreauputic: thats the only bootmanager i have
[07:35] <thoreauputic> ghost^|patrick: right
[07:35] <ompaul> skalpel, yes, and a question occurs to me why edit that file?
[07:35] <BxN`> can i play mp3s in ubuntu if im running off a livecd
[07:35] <BxN`> or will i need to load it on since mp3 playback requires a plugin
[07:35] <ghost^|patrick> well.. the reason for this crap is that the system suddenly frooze as i tried to watch OGL screensaver
[07:35] <ghost^|patrick> what went wrong
[07:35] <ghost^|patrick> any ideas?
[07:35] <xliu> is it possible to mount an .img file?
[07:36] <thoreauputic> ghost^|patrick: it might be possible to install a new kernel image and boot that, but I'm not sure how you would go about it
[07:36] <ghost^|patrick> i have absolutly no skills with this :(
[07:36] <thoreauputic> ghost^|patrick: seems strange that a driver install would trash everything like this - are you sure your hardware is OK?
[07:37] <ghost^|patrick> i am in windows...
[07:37] <cefx> djp: siiick, you rock :) I was just hoping for a manpage!
[07:37] <ghost^|patrick> i just played an hour a stupid shooter to calm down
[07:37] <cefx> does cdrecord have a manpage? *checks*
[07:37] <ghost^|patrick> everything worx fine
[07:37] <levander> Anybdy in here has gotten udftools to work?
[07:37] <graabein> anyone got a link to dpkg howto? i want to learn how to install/remove deb-packages
[07:37] <ghost^|patrick> so its an linux issue :(
[07:37] <cefx> yay it does
[07:37] <cefx> graabein: man dpkg ?
[07:38] <graabein> cefx, yeah that would work, hehe
[07:38] <levander> graabein: hold on, there was a post to ubuntuforums about this, lemme find it
[07:38] <xliu> how to open an image file in ubuntu?
[07:38] <ompaul> graabein, use aptitude or apt-get dpkg is being deprecated (it will go out of fashion shortly - :))
[07:38] <ompaul> xliu, gimp file.name
[07:38] <ompaul> xliu, there are many many ways
[07:39] <graabein> i think i installed a couple of deb-packages myself and they dont work so i want to get rid of them
[07:39] <thoreauputic> ghost^|patrick: you said you had reformatted several times - this is not usually necessary with linux either; and normally ubuntu is rock solid (my current uptime is 40 days)
[07:39] <xliu> thanks ompaul
[07:39] <ompaul> graabein,  http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/1998/05/msg02249.html
[07:40] <salil> can anyone help me with bluetooth adapter problem..??
[07:40] <arpan> icewt, it worked man
[07:40] <xliu> no, i mean an ISO,IMG file, not a picuture. How to open it?
[07:40] <ghost^|patrick> thoreauputic: the first times i did because i coulnd do anything
[07:40] <arpan> after restarting the machine, firefox worked
[07:41] <ghost^|patrick> the last time i was aple to get around my problems and boot without reinstall
[07:41] <ghost^|patrick> but now
[07:41] <ghost^|patrick> now its different
[07:41] <arpan> i have d'loaded a Gnome Desktop theme, how do I install it?
[07:41] <ghost^|patrick> coze i cant do anything
[07:41] <salil> arpan: hya mula.. goto install theme..
[07:41] <skalpel> rob_p: no luck, i cannot use the vi command
[07:41] <skalpel> rob_p: after doing what you told me to do i get a grub edit> prompt
[07:41] <arpan> OK salil
[07:42] <xliu> how to open an ISO/IMG file in ubuntu?
[07:42] <salil> can anyone help me with a bluetooth adapter problem..?? anyone know how to do that..?
[07:42] <skalpel> and something like root (hda3,0) already entered
[07:42] <rob_p> xliu:  create a mount point, then mount the image to it using, "mount -t iso9660 image /created/mount/point/ -o loop"
[07:42] <salil> arpan: where're you from, dude..??
[07:42] <skalpel> rob_p: i have a list of commands i can use but vi is not one of them
[07:42] <skalpel> nor is mount
[07:42] <levander> graabein: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=12040&highlight=dpkg-buildpackage - this page doesn't emphasize to change your sources.list to get the sources from another repository.  Doing that will make things a lot easier.
[07:42] <thoreauputic> ghost^|patrick: I suggest you try sending to the ubuntu-users mailing list a detailed descripton of your problem with whatever info you can gather - it is a high traffic list with a lot of clueful people: someone might have some ideas
[07:42] <skalpel> rob_p: are you sure there is no way to edit this file from my live cd?
[07:42] <rob_p> skalpel:  at the grub edit prompt, you need to append a comma, a space, and then the word, "single"
[07:42] <skalpel> rob_p: such as mounting my ubuntu install from here?
[07:42] <graabein> levander, i know about the repos, these are debs i didnt find there
[07:43] <arpan> i am from Pondicherry, India
[07:43] <arpan> u salil ?
[07:43] <skalpel> rob_p: ah, after root (hda3,0) ?
[07:43] <salil> arpan: i'm from NP
[07:43] <skalpel> rob_p: so from the grub loader i push the e key and then enter?
[07:43] <salil> arpan: what 'bout you..?
[07:44] <xliu> rob_p, thanks
[07:44] <hid3> Hello everyone.. Is there any utility which monitors how much each (network) device uses interrupt?
[07:44] <levander> graabein: 'dpkg --remove' or 'dpkg --purge' to get rid of the configuration files too.
[07:44] <rob_p> skalpel:  e key then append the single switch and then enter.  Then b for boot, I think... been a long time since I've used grub...
[07:44] <graabein> levander, ok, how about searching for a particular pacakge?
[07:44] <graabein> that i think i installed, at least i tried to
[07:44] <levander> graabein: 'apt-cache search'
[07:45] <rob_p> xliu:  no prob!  good luck :)
[07:45] <skalpel> rob_p: im sorry, single switch?
[07:45] <salil> anyone who knows how to use bluetooth adapter..??
[07:45] <skalpel> rob_p: at the grub menu i pressed e and then nothing happened, so i continued to to type what you told me, comma space single
[07:45] <skalpel> and after i finished typing that i was takin to that grub prompt with root (hda1,0) already entered in for me
[07:45] <levander> graabein: 'apt-cache show' or more succinctly 'dpkg -l' to find out if a specific package is installed
[07:46] <rob_p> skalpel:  You need to do whatever it takes to get to single user mode (not sure off the top of my head since I don't use grub).  Once you do that, then proceed to fix the file.
[07:46] <graabein> levander, thanks, ill try
[07:46] <skalpel> rob_p: well the problem is that evidently i do not know how to get to single user mode. i thought that is what i had arrived at at the grub edit> prompt
[07:46] <skalpel> but i think i might have it now
[07:47] <skalpel> do i hit enter after using 'e' at the boot menu?
[07:47] <graabein> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[07:47] <graabein> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
[07:47] <graabein> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[07:47] <graabein> ||/ Name           Version        Description
[07:47] <graabein> +++-[07:47] <graabein> pn  alexandria     <none>         (no description available)
[07:47] <skalpel> that is what i am not sure about, hitting e by itself does nothing
[07:47] <rob_p> skalpel:  at the edit prompt, you append the switch, "single" and it should allow you to boot the image in single user mode...
[07:47] <skalpel> rob_p: what is the switch?
[07:47] <Razor-X> does X.org have dga?
[07:47] <rob_p> skalpel:  single
[07:47] <skalpel> ok
[07:47] <graabein> ups, sorry if i was spamming there... but what does that mean... pn?
[07:48] <skalpel_> rob_p: correct?
[07:48] <Seveas> graabein, that means you once had it installed and now purged
[07:49] <salil> can anyone tell me what command to use to look for connected usb devices..??
[07:49] <graabein> Seveas, ok... cause i had the old version from universe installed and i tried to install the new one from a deb
[07:49] <salil> can anyone tell me what command to use to look for connected usb devices..??
[07:49] <sdschulze> Can one switch from Debian to Ubuntu without a hard reinstallation?
[07:49] <cefx> ok so
[07:50] <graabein> but i got a lot of ruby errors. i think i need to update ruby first... so i guess i have to wait till its in the repos cause i really dont know what im doing :)
[07:50] <Razor-X> sdschulze: no
[07:50] <sdschulze> :(
[07:50] <Seveas> sdschulze, depends...
[07:50] <salil> can anyone tell me what command to use to look for connected usb devices..??
[07:50] <sdschulze> What's the problem?
[07:50] <Seveas> it's not impossible, it might just be hard :)
[07:50] <cefx> cdrecord -v dev=/dev/cdrom speed=20x driveropts=burnfree -dao -eject ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso ?
[07:50] <Seveas> sarge -> hoary is not the easiest route
[07:51] <Seveas> sarge -> breezy or woody -> hoary are easier
[07:51] <Razor-X> sdschulze: you can use your config files, obviously, but the majority of the things can't migrate
[07:51] <sdschulze> Well, I'm flexible. :)
[07:51] <Razor-X> well, most of the config files, rather
[07:51] <cefx> Seveas: Hi!  Nice to meet you. :) I'm a new user...and I think I've converted from Slackware -> Ubuntu...
[07:51] <sdschulze> Razor-X: The package names are different?
[07:51] <cefx> Is the syntax and everything correct in that line I juyst pasted?
[07:52] <Razor-X> sdschulze: yeah
[07:52] <cefx> for burning an iso to a C
[07:52] <cefx> D
[07:52] <Seveas> Razor-X, most things can migrate...
[07:52] <Razor-X> Seveas: well, he'll still need to reinstall, no?
[07:52] <Razor-X> you can't incorporate debian packages in Ubuntu without a lot of strife
[07:52] <Seveas> Razor-X, but an upgrade from debian to ubuntu will eliminate the debian packages :)
[07:53] <salil> can anyone tell me what command to use to look for connected usb devices..??
[07:53] <Razor-X> Seveas: hmmmm, really?
[07:53] <Seveas> salil, lsusb
[07:53] <sdschulze> Well, I've actually two points:
[07:53] <graabein> how do i find (and remove) something i installed by a run-file?
[07:53] <salil> Seveas: thanks
[07:53] <Seveas> graabein, not
[07:54] <sdschulze> 0: My CD-ROM drive seems bit broken, I'd like to avoid booting from CD.
[07:54] <salil> Seveas: is there any other command..?? this one isn't showing anything..
[07:54] <sdschulze> 1: I'd like to reuse my configuration files.
[07:54] <Razor-X> o-O
[07:54] <Razor-X> MPlayer's docs are like pages long
[07:54] <sdschulze> So can I get a bootable Ubuntu system from Debian?
[07:55] <Seveas> sdschulze, yes
[07:55] <fredforfaen> is there someone in here having troubles with locales....i get a error where it tells me that locales is broken....when i try to reinstall locales it just tells me that its broken...whet to do?
[07:55] <fredforfaen> what*
[07:55] <graabein> give me some peace!
[07:55] <salil> Seveas: i have a usb bluetooth adapter installed..and i need to find its address..
[07:55] <graabein> fredforfaen, :)
[07:55] <salil> can you tell me how to do that..??
[07:56] <fredforfaen> hehe graabein
[07:56] <Razor-X> salil: lspci -v
[07:56] <fredforfaen> anyone?
[07:56] <Seveas> salil, if lsusb doesn't show it there are no drivers installed
[07:56] <Seveas> salil, check dmesg for details
[07:57] <synd> whats the key combo to scroll up in irssi?
[07:57] <Seveas> fredforfaen, paste the complete error on the pastebin please
[07:57] <Seveas> synd, [PgUp] 
[07:57] <ToTaL_LiNuX_NeWb> will beagle be included by default in breezy?
[07:57] <fredforfaen> pastebin?
[07:57] <Seveas> !pastebin
[07:57] <ubotu> I heard pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[07:57] <fredforfaen> ok thanx
[07:57] <synd> Seveas: ah, makes sense. thanks
[07:57] <fredforfaen> ill do so
[07:57] <ZincX> Seveas, i have a domain... can i use it as a vhost when i connect from my normal connection ?
[07:57] <Seveas> ZincX, you mean on IRC?
[07:58] <ZincX> Seveas, yes
[07:58] <sdschulze> OK, thanks everyone
[07:58] <cefx> I'm too poor to own domains.
[07:58] <Seveas> ZincX, no
[07:58] <cefx> What?
[07:58] <cefx> Yes he can.
[07:58] <ZincX> hm.. u mean i cant have my domain as my vhost ?
[07:58] <Seveas> or you must convince your provider to set the RDNS for your IP to your domain :)
[07:58] <cefx> Seveas, if he uses nameservers he can set his hostname to whatever he wants.
[07:58] <Seveas> ZincX, indeed :)
[07:58] <ZincX> reverse dns aen ?
[07:58] <cefx> No matter who his ISP is
[07:58] <fredforfaen> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/327731 there it is ...the locales thingy
[07:58] <Seveas> cefx, IRC servers cannot know that domain
[07:58] <arpan> I have got a cool splash screen for Gnome, how do i set it?
[07:58] <Seveas> they know only the IP
[07:58] <salil> Seveas: thanks.. dmesg worked..
[07:59] <Seveas> and the reverse hostname
[07:59] <cefx> Seveas, they don't have to.  That's what nameservers are for.
[07:59] <ChrischiO`GER> hi again
[07:59] <ZincX> hmm..
[07:59] <cefx> If he knows someone with a nameserver they can add the records
[07:59] <graabein> http://packages.ubuntu.com - search for beagle in breezy
[07:59] <cefx> and the domain name will resolve
[07:59] <cefx> believe me, I know
[07:59] <Seveas> cefx, that's not what we are talking about
[07:59] <cefx> oh
[07:59] <fredforfaen> anyone?
[07:59] <cefx> hmm..
[07:59] <Seveas> i know better :)
[07:59] <cefx> my bad, sorry :)
[07:59] <Seveas> fredforfaen, hang on
[07:59] <fredforfaen> ok
[08:00] <cefx> cuz see, Sev... /dns icmps.org and if you DNS the IP it will resolve to a res.rr.com ISP hostname
[08:00] <ChrischiO`GER> ehm.. installed ubuntu some minutes ago.. install didnt ask for root passw so: what is my root PW?
[08:00] <cefx> :\
[08:00] <bur[n] er> can anyone tell me how to get /dev and /proc to work when using a livecd in a chroot environment so I can apt-get upgrade -s
[08:00] <ZincX> Seveas, i dont mind aslong as it appears as a vhost.. even if its using a name server o anythin
[08:00] <Seveas> fredforfaen, try: LC_ALL=C sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[08:00] <cefx> ChrischiO`GER, type sudo passwd root
[08:00] <cefx> and set it yourself :)
[08:00] <topyli> Razor-X: i tried it earlier today. cool and useless :)
[08:00] <fredforfaen> ok
[08:00] <cefx> I found that out yesterday
[08:00] <Seveas> cefx, do NOT advise that
[08:00] <cefx> Very well, Seveas :)
[08:00] <Razor-X> topyli: haha ;)
[08:00] <cefx> ChrischiO`GER, there's a command that allows you to open root shells without using the root account.
[08:00] <Razor-X> as it is, I use Eterm, so maybe i'll stick in the E environment
[08:01] <lasse> whitch mediaplayer shout i choos? mplayer eller xine-ui... nogen der kan hjlpe ?
[08:01] <Razor-X> I want to see how KDE apps look in Enlightenment
[08:01] <cefx> The root account is viewed as a security risk/flaw in Ubuntu
[08:01] <Seveas> cefx, the UBuntu way is to use sudo, so explaining sudo is preferred over explaing sudo passwd root :)
[08:01] <fredforfaen> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/327734 i get this Seveas
[08:01] <cefx> Ah!
[08:01] <Razor-X> because I really think the viewer apps (KPDF and KDVI) of KDE are of top notch quality
[08:01] <bur[n] er> amarok is best of breed too :)
[08:01] <Seveas> fredforfaen, try: LC_ALL=C sudo dpkg --configure locales
[08:01] <cefx> K
[08:01] <fredforfaen> k
[08:01] <Razor-X> KDE has some pretty nice apps ;)
[08:02] <cefx> BRB, reformatting to x86 from x86_64.
[08:02] <ToTaL_LiNuX_NeWb> will beagle be in breezy?
[08:02] <bur[n] er> kopete leaves something to be desired
[08:02] <cefx> I like XFCE.
[08:02] <Seveas> ToTaL_LiNuX_NeWb, yes
[08:02] <bur[n] er> as does konqueror
[08:02] <Razor-X> yeah, Konquerer is real nice
[08:02] <cefx> konq is bad ;(
[08:02] <bur[n] er> XFCE will rule once Thunar is a reality
[08:02] <arpan> can anyone tel me how I can change me splash screen?
[08:02] <chrissturm> how can i make a screenshot of one window?
[08:02] <Razor-X> you know what totally sucks?
[08:02] <skel_> arpan,
[08:02] <Seveas> arpan: To change the Ubuntu splash screen, open the gconf-editor and change the key /apps/gnome-session/options/splash-image
[08:02] <skel_> there a howto on the site
[08:02] <fredforfaen> i get this http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/327735 Seveas
[08:02] <bur[n] er> konq's fish:// access is nice, but konq kinda blows imo
[08:02] <Razor-X> my aptitude doesen't come with super cow powers -_-
[08:03] <Razor-X> bur[n] er: there are quite a few dedicated Konquerer fans
[08:03] <fredforfaen> gotta go to tha toilet...brb
[08:03] <Seveas> fredforfaen, try: LC_ALL=C sudo apt-get install locales
[08:03] <arpan> Seveas, can't I do it in the GUI mode?
[08:03] <Razor-X> i'm not dedicated, but I like the browser a lot
[08:03] <fredforfaen> ok
[08:03] <Seveas> arpan, gconf-editor is the only way
[08:03] <bur[n] er> the browser doesn't compare to firefox
[08:03] <graabein> ToTaL_LiNuX_NeWb, it looks like it. go to http://packages.ubuntu.com/ and search for beagle in breezy
[08:04] <arpan> thx Seveas
[08:04] <bur[n] er> ok, back to chroot, anyone familiar with it?
[08:04] <fredforfaen> i get this http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/327737 Seveas
[08:04] <fredforfaen> brb
[08:04] <ToTaL_LiNuX_NeWb> thanks guys
[08:04] <Razor-X> bur[n] er: I prefer Opera, meself
[08:04] <Seveas> fredforfaen, wtf have you done to mess up your system so bad? mixing debian and ubuntu?!?
[08:05] <ChrischiO`GER> cfex - but why am i allowed to change rootpwd if im not logged in as root???
[08:05] <arpan> Seveas, by splash screen I mean the screen that displays when I log in
[08:05] <ChrischiO`GER> cefx - but why am i allowed to change rootpwd if im not logged in as root???
[08:05] <Razor-X> ChrischiO`GER: because you own the box
[08:05] <Seveas> arpan, yes you change that the way I explained :)
[08:05] <ChrischiO`GER> oO
[08:05] <Phuzion> Hey, where can I get drivers for my sound card?
[08:05] <Razor-X> and therefore, you can be root
[08:05] <Razor-X> duh? ;)
[08:05] <graabein> fredforfaen, do you know how to get norwegian spelling and date-format in every app?
[08:05] <ChrischiO`GER> h?
[08:05] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER, sudo makes you root
[08:05] <Phuzion> I have some POS integrated card.
[08:06] <Razor-X> at least, i'm _assuming_ you own the box ;)
[08:06] <fredforfaen> Seveas....it was after i installed some package manually....totally my fault...i know
[08:06] <Seveas> fredforfaen, uninstall that package
[08:06] <fredforfaen> graabein thats one of the problems now
[08:06] <Seveas> and install ubuntu-desktop
[08:06] <Seveas> if that fails, you did something really bad
[08:06] <ChrischiO`GER> seveas - but what was the root pwd befor?
[08:06] <fredforfaen> hmm
[08:06] <bur[n] er> anyone ever have to use a livecd to upgrade packages?
[08:07] <Daedalus> how can I add a man file to my program or whatsoever
[08:07] <fredforfaen> well the system seems fine if it wherent for that locales pkg
[08:07] <ubuntu__> rob_p: still there? i was unable to boot into single user mode
[08:07] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER, nothing
[08:08] <Seveas> it was not set
[08:08] <skalpel> is there a way to edit files on my ubuntu install partition from a live cd?
[08:08] <stjepan> heya
[08:08] <ChrischiO`GER> but if i wanted to login as su and just pressed Enter at password it didnt work..
[08:08] <stjepan> what client for newsgroups do you use?
[08:08] <ChrischiO`GER> -if +when  -.-'
[08:09] <skalpel> how come the ubuntu does not automatically detect monitor refresh rates and put them in xorg.conf?
[08:09] <skalpel> is there a way to edit files on my ubuntu install partition from a live cd?
[08:09] <mjr> skalpel, the X server is supposed to detect that on its own
[08:09] <bur[n] er> skalpel: mount it, edit them
[08:10] <skalpel> bur[n] er: can you tell me how to mont that partition?
[08:10] <skalpel> i do noty know how
[08:10] <skalpel> mjr: it did not do that, i am stuck in 640x480 mode
[08:10] <skalpel> mjr: why do you think it would fail to do that? there are no entries in xorg.conf for refresh rates.
[08:10] <bur[n] er> boot live cd, open term, sudo su, mount /dev/hdxx, cd /mnt/hdxx
[08:11] <fredforfaen> damn i cant fix it....is there anything i can do besides reinstall Seveas?
[08:11] <skalpel> how do i find out what dev the partition is using? i am not sure
[08:11] <mmoscosa> Does anyone knows how to install Nvu? or does anyone knows a similar program or better?!
[08:11] <bur[n] er> skalpel: just try them till it works :)
[08:11] <thoreauputic> !nvu
[08:11] <ubotu> methinks nvu is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToInstallNVUHTMLEditor/ http://www.nvu.com/ Linux/Mac/Windows Web authoring.""
[08:11] <bur[n] er> boot live cd, open term, sudo su, mount /dev/hdxx, cd /mnt/hdxx, ls
[08:12] <mjr> skalpel, I guess you should add them explicitly then, dunno why it wouldn't (that is, if your monitor, video card and driver support it)
[08:12] <Seveas> fredforfaen, dunno, I don't know how seriously messed up your system is.
[08:12] <skalpel> mjr: they do support it. i already fixed this on my ubuntu install i was just curious about the live cd, it sucks to have that happen
[08:12] <onur> i would like to install Eclipse and tomcat 5 to my ubuntu installation. But i doubt that there s a related package in repositories. What should i do ?
[08:12] <mmoscosa> ubotu thankyou
[08:12] <topyli> mmoscosa: get it from nvu.com, extract the tarball in /opt, and you're ready to go
[08:12] <skalpel> bur[n] er: thank you.
[08:12] <ubotu> bitte, mmoscosa
[08:12] <fredforfaen> Seveas hmm , it seems pretty messed up
[08:12] <fredforfaen> damn
[08:13] <Tomcat_> onur: Check ubuntuforums.org, there are HowTos.
[08:13] <bur[n] er> well, the livecd isn't perfect
[08:13] <sexcopter8000m> can anyone suggest a programme for stringing together some jpegs into a video clip?
[08:14] <skalpel> bur[n] er: ubuntu is telling me i do not have any entries in /etc/fstab for hda1-5
[08:14] <skalpel> bur[n] er: what should i do?
[08:14] <bur[n] er> skalpel: hdb ??
[08:14] <bur[n] er> hdc??
[08:14] <mmoscosa> topyli hats the tarball in /opt
[08:14] <bur[n] er> hdd?
[08:14] <bur[n] er> possibly a bad hard drive?
[08:14] <skalpel> bur[n] er: ok
[08:14] <skalpel> no, not a bad hard drive, i just made a typo in /lib/lsb/init_functions
[08:14] <fredforfaen> guess its a reinstall then
[08:14] <fredforfaen> damn
[08:14] <topyli> mmoscosa: i can't parse that :)
[08:14] <onur> ok second question is when i try to play an mpg file with with totem i got sound but no video. What should i do ?
[08:15] <mmoscosa> ubotu your page : https://wiki.ubuntu.com//HowToInstallNVUHTMLEditor/ aparently is not there hehe
[08:15] <ubotu> mmoscosa: that's too long
[08:15] <skalpel> bur[n] er: how do i get a list of partitions on my hard drive?
[08:15] <bur[n] er> skalpel: fdisk -l
[08:15] <skalpel> thank you
[08:15] <rob_newbie> I am so lost
[08:15] <topyli> mmoscosa: ubotu is just a poor little bot. he cannot understand such long statements :)
[08:15] <shinu> hi people
[08:16] <onur> ok second question is when i try to play an mpg file with with totem i got sound but no video. What should i do ?
[08:16] <skalpel> bur[n] er: i have 2 linux partitions type 83, on /dev/hda1 and /dev/hda3
[08:16] <skalpel> bur[n] er: why can't i mount them?
[08:16] <Simian> Hi, just installed ubuntu, how do I know what repos to use
[08:16] <rob_newbie> Can someone help with a good link over how to install from a tar file I am confused over how to compile these things
[08:17] <Simian> there used to be an unofficial faq but it seems to have gone
[08:17] <thoreauputic> !repos
[08:17] <ubotu> I guess repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[08:17] <fredforfaen> wish me luck
[08:17] <skalpel> bur[n] er: do i need to add these partitions to my /etc/fstab file?
[08:17] <topyli> mmoscosa: please stop /msging me. i'll help you on the channel
[08:17] <mmoscosa> topyli ohh ok
[08:17] <mmoscosa> topyli yes im here
[08:17] <mmoscosa> hehe
[08:17] <topyli> :)
[08:18] <Simian> ubotu I looked at that but it doesn't tell you wich ones to use
[08:18] <ubotu> Simian: No idea
[08:18] <bur[n] er> skalpel: i don't think you should have to...
[08:18] <Seveas> Simian: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[08:18] <topyli> mmoscosa: so you have the tarball
[08:18] <bur[n] er> skalpel: should be auto-detected
[08:18] <onur> no one to help me ?
[08:18] <mmoscosa> topyli yes
[08:18] <thoreauputic> Simian: start with universe and multiverse
[08:18] <bur[n] er> skalpel: if not... mkdir /mnt/blah; mount /dev/hdxx /mnt/blah
[08:18] <Seveas> mmoscosa, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingNvu
[08:18] <topyli> cd to /opt
[08:18] <Seveas> !nvu
[08:18] <ubotu> [nvu]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToInstallNVUHTMLEditor/ http://www.nvu.com/ Linux/Mac/Windows Web authoring.""
[08:18] <rob_newbie> thanks
[08:18] <Seveas> !forget nvu
[08:18] <ubotu> i forgot nvu, Seveas
[08:18] <thoreauputic> Simian: if you need win32codecs for video add hoary-extras
[08:19] <Seveas> ubotu nvu is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingNvu http://www.nvu.com/ Linux/Mac/Windows Web authoring.
[08:19] <ubotu> Seveas: okay
[08:19] <mmoscosa> Seveas ok ill have a look
[08:19] <skalpel> bur[n] er: it says i cannot make that dir
[08:19] <topyli> topyli: then do this: sudo tar xjvf [drag and drop the file from the file manager to the terminal window] 
[08:19] <bluefoxicy> task 6321       (sshd)
[08:19] <bluefoxicy>   bfac3000-bfad7000 rwxp bfac3000 00:00 0          [stack] 
[08:19] <bluefoxicy>   0808d000-080b3000 rw-p 0808d000 00:00 0          [heap] 
[08:19] <bluefoxicy> You GOTTA love this.
[08:19] <Simian> thanks guys, I'll give it a go
[08:19] <bluefoxicy> sshd with executable stack
[08:19] <skalpel> bur[n] er: nm, i got it
[08:20] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, hmmm
[08:20] <bluefoxicy> oddly enough, if I use a PaX kernel, sshd works, but has no WX mappings
[08:20] <PurpleMotion> Seveas:  do you ever sleep?
[08:20] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, do bots ever sleep?
[08:20] <bluefoxicy> that goes for half of Gnome, which decides that it wants WX mappings that it doesn't need.
[08:20] <PurpleMotion> but you're not a bot
[08:20] <bluefoxicy> and gaim
[08:20] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, who says that?
[08:21] <topyli> PurpleMotion: he's a very advanced bot
[08:21] <skalpel> bur[n] er: interestingly enough that put me in my windowsxp partition
[08:21] <onur> Tomcat_, I cant find anything in ubuntuforums related to tomcat or its repos
[08:21] <PurpleMotion> if he were a bot, the level of AI he displays would have long standing military applications and we would _never_ see the likes of him in a linux help channel
[08:21] <onur> ok second question is when i try to play an mpg file with with totem i got sound but no video. What should i do ?
[08:22] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, I am developed by people who dislike military applications
[08:22] <thoreauputic> !repeat
[08:22] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, repeat is Don't repeat your question every few minutes- if someone knows they will answer
[08:22] <Tomcat_> onur: I've installed it a few days ago with a howto from there... wait a seocnd.
[08:22] <ChrischiO`GER> which chmod commands do i have to use to make a mounted drive read/writeable by nonsu??
[08:22] <skalpel> bur[n] er: how do i change over to the linux partition now? i did cd /mnt/blah but it put me in the live cd filesystem
[08:23] <Tomcat_> onur: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=44006&highlight=tomcat <--- How about this one? :>
[08:23] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER, is it a fat23 drive or a linux drive?
[08:23] <PurpleMotion> It doesnt matter if they like military applications or not. if they design a level of ai that advanced, and the military wants it, they willt ake it
[08:23] <ChrischiO`GER> muaha ntfs  ^^
[08:23] <onur> Tomcat_, on my way
[08:23] <acid2_> Hey, which repo has gstreamer0.8-faad?
[08:23] <ChrischiO`GER> so readonly i know
[08:23] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, that may be the case in the US but not here
[08:23] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER, indeed
[08:23] <thoreauputic> acid2_: probably hoary-extras
[08:23] <acid2_> oki doki
[08:23] <PurpleMotion> must be nice
[08:23] <acid2_> i'll see if I have that
[08:23] <thoreauputic> acid2_: not certain of that though
[08:24] <PurpleMotion> but i doubt its true
[08:24] <ChrischiO`GER> yeah but my nonse user is not allowed to read after i mounted it with root
[08:24] <ChrischiO`GER> *nonsu
[08:24] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER, then add umask=0000 to the fstab line
[08:24] <Seveas> in the options fiels
[08:24] <ChrischiO`GER> what?
[08:24] <Seveas> field*
[08:24] <ChrischiO`GER> <-- linux n00b
[08:24] <onur> Tomcat_, thx. btw the forums are not searchable how should i suppose to find it out
[08:24] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER, hehe, remove it completely from /etc/fstab then
[08:24] <acid2_> thoreauputic: thats on the backports server, right?
[08:24] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[08:24] <thoreauputic> acid2_: yep
[08:25] <acid2_> oki doki
[08:25] <ChrischiO`GER> wtf is fstab?
[08:25] <PurpleMotion> Seveas:  I spoke with my wife. She's buying me the o'reilley book for the lpi exams today
[08:25] <skalpel> how do i unmount a filesystem?
[08:25] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER, did you mount it manually with the mount command?
[08:25] <ChrischiO`GER> <-- TOTAL Linux n00b
[08:25] <Seveas> skalpel, umount
[08:25] <PurpleMotion> i'm going to schedule the exam next week
[08:25] <ChrischiO`GER> i did
[08:25] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER, then unmount it again
[08:25] <thoreauputic> ChrischiO`GER: it's /etc/fstab - the file that defines where filesystems will be mounted
[08:25] <Seveas> umount /dev/something
[08:25] <shinu> anyone know why i am not able to play a movie with mplayer but i can with totem player?
[08:25] <Seveas> where /dev/something is the thing you used in mount
[08:26] <onur> Tomcat_, also i realized it adds smt to .bashrc how ever this means the tomcat installation is not system wide but user wide
[08:26] <PurpleMotion> shinu:  codecs
[08:26] <skalpel> seveas: what does it mean if term says that the dev is busy?
[08:26] <PurpleMotion> shinu:  totem uses codecs in a plugin fashion.. mplayer has to compile them in
[08:26] <shinu> PurpleMotion: should i install codecs before mplayer?
[08:26] <topyli> shinu: perhaps you have totem-gstreamer and you have the codecs for gst but not for mplayer
[08:26] <Seveas> skalpel, it means that you still have some program open using files on it
[08:26] <PurpleMotion> you should install codecs then apt-get source -b mplayer-686
[08:26] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: erm, no that's not so
[08:26] <acid2_> hmmm, what about libfaad?
[08:26] <PurpleMotion> its not?
[08:27] <Seveas> or a terminal with the mountpoin as curent dir
[08:27] <PurpleMotion> this is how i understood it to be
[08:27] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: for instance w32codecs work fine with the ubuntu binaries of mplayer
[08:27] <shinu> topyli: but i did the same thing i did on this comp on anyther comp and it worked perfectly fine
[08:27] <ChrischiO`GER> Seveas - done
[08:27] <PurpleMotion> so then why did i recompile mplayer?
[08:27] <shinu> yeah, i have those w32codecs
[08:27] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: I have no idea
[08:28] <PurpleMotion> oh well, it's faster now either way ;)
[08:28] <topyli> shinu: it's weird but mplayer is a mystery anyway
[08:28] <ma3x> Why the hell black screen with blinking cursor shows when I close the lit of my laptop
[08:28] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER, no type: wget http://ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab && sudo bash winmac_fstab
[08:28] <Tomcat_> onur: A user that replied in the thread has posted a startup script for the system... I'm sure that will contain systemwide environment variables.
[08:28] <ChrischiO`GER> oO
[08:28] <ChrischiO`GER> whats this?
[08:28] <shinu> topyli: i very much like it 8)
[08:28] <PurpleMotion> shinu:  yeah, mplayer is nice
[08:28] <samu> whats the best gui ftp client?
[08:28] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER, a little (already famous) script I wrote for automatic mounting of windows partitions
[08:28] <PurpleMotion> samu:  i rather like gftp
[08:29] <shinu> and guess what, i can open the movie with mplayer on my other comp but cant with ttem x)
[08:29] <samu> ive just been getting annoyed with gftp
[08:29] <shinu> totem*
[08:29] <Stern-> yo
[08:29] <ChrischiO`GER> Seveas - no, it shouldnt be mounted everytime
[08:29] <Seveas> oy
[08:29] <PurpleMotion> howso?
[08:29] <Amaranth> shinu: totem-xine?
[08:29] <Stern-> my install is stuck at 25% of installing repository
[08:29] <Stern-> apt
[08:29] <anacron> can someone help me installing some files to run stepmania?
[08:29] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER, you can change that later
[08:29] <shinu> Amaranth: i guess just totem, i dont know, the one that comes with ubuntu
[08:29] <cefx> ideas? ;D
[08:29] <ma3x> anya nswer for me?
[08:29] <cefx> Amaranth: I'm formatting for the 32bit install :P
[08:29] <PurpleMotion> that's totem-gstreamer
[08:30] <shinu> it says: Could not open resource for writing
[08:30] <ChrischiO`GER> Seveas - just wanna know how I set the right to be read by nonsu on my mounted drive
[08:30] <Amaranth> shinu: if you want w32codecs support and all that you need totem-xine
[08:30] <anacron> i need libavformat.so file, which is not provided with ubuntu
[08:30] <PurpleMotion> try sudo apt-get install totem-xine
[08:30] <ma3x> when I close the LID of the laptop I get BSOD
[08:30] <topyli> shinu: ubuntu has two totems, with different backends
[08:30] <onur> Tomcat_, what about the apache connector jk, i have installed it but how do i configure them all ?
[08:30] <shinu> uh...
[08:30] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER, that's what I said: add umask=0000 to the options field of mount or /etc/fstab
[08:30] <acid2_> Would someone mind posting a nice sources.lists ?
[08:30] <tigliona1bit> how do I get gkrellm to check mail on my gmail account?
[08:30] <acid2_> -s
[08:30] <SDFH_FreeBSD> guys whats the command to get the kubuntu desktop on ubuntu
[08:30] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER, but you did not understand that, so I was trying to make it easier :)
[08:30] <shinu> i think i have just totem
[08:30] <PurpleMotion> acid2_:  I will
[08:30] <acid2_> PurpleMotion: thank you :)
[08:30] <Seveas> SDFH_FreeBSD, sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[08:30] <anacron> SDFH_FreeBSD: i suppose it's apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:31] <ChrischiO`GER> Seveas - but it should not be this way on ALL mounted drives but just at one
[08:31] <ChrischiO`GER> Seveas - is there no way to do with chmod??
[08:31] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER, no
[08:31] <Tomcat_> onur: No idea about that... I have never installed that. Try searching the Ubuntu wiki and the Ubuntu forums, and if you can't find anything turn to Google or feel free to ask the channel again.
[08:31] <topyli> shinu: totet mis a dummy package that just depends on totem-xine
[08:31] <ChrischiO`GER> hm
[08:31] <Seveas> ntfs does not know a bot about that
[08:31] <Seveas> so you will have to specify it when mounting
[08:31] <rob_newbie> Hello First time using a tar file anyone able to help
[08:31] <PurpleMotion> acid2_:  http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/903
[08:31] <shinu> topyli: oh...
[08:31] <acid2_> thank you :)
[08:32] <topyli> shinu: uhh. totem is...
[08:32] <acid2_> What is that last one?
[08:32] <anacron> rob_newbie: just ask, someone will answer
[08:32] <cefx> I restarted..hmm
[08:32] <PurpleMotion> the debian.neo.pl one gives you all kinds of kde window decos
[08:32] <ma3x> is anybody listening to me?
[08:32] <anacron> so anyone how to run stepmania?
[08:32] <acid2_> ah, no use for me then
[08:32] <PurpleMotion> right on
[08:33] <PurpleMotion> the rest will do you well, though
[08:33] <calamari> hi
[08:33] <rob_newbie> how do you complie a package from a tar file
[08:33] <acid2_> Yey, im all good now - thanks PurpleMotion !
[08:33] <ChrischiO`GER> Seveas - so if i change the accessrights of my mkdir made dir(where later a drive is mounted) doesnt work??
[08:33] <calamari> I tried to upgrade to Hoary using Synaptic, but it failed and now I'm missing like everything from my system
[08:33] <thoreauputic> ma3x: there's no such animal as BSOD in linux :)
[08:33] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER, nope
[08:33] <calamari> I haven't rebooted yet
[08:33] <ChrischiO`GER> Seveas - why?  :)
[08:33] <anacron> rob_newbie: you have to extract tar first
[08:33] <calamari> someone please help me
[08:33] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER, because it works different :)
[08:34] <ma3x> thoreauputic, I meant Black Screen of Death
[08:34] <DekaPink> Huh... Gimp doesn't seem to want to let me crop. :3
[08:34] <ChrischiO`GER> Seveas - damn WindowsThinking^^
[08:34] <Seveas> calamari, try again: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:34] <Seveas> calamari, or else: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[08:34] <PurpleMotion> rob^:  first unpack the tar file (tar zxfv file.tar.gz -or- tar jxfv file.tar.bz2), then (cd file-directory) then (./configure) then (make) then (sudo make install) -usually-
[08:34] <thoreauputic> rob_newbie: chances are you don't need to compile whatever it is...
[08:34] <eyequeue> ma3x:  alt-cltrl-f7
[08:34] <rob_newbie> anacron:  Ok sould I just do this on the desktop?
[08:34] <ar3ac> can you tell me if there is a unstable livecd ? with new kernel ?
[08:34] <Seveas> calamari, and: sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[08:34] <ar3ac> i need at last the kernel 2.6.10
[08:34] <anacron> rob_newbie: do as PurpleMotion saod
[08:34] <shinu> any idea why ubuntu might kick me off gnome and put back the login screen? 0.o
[08:34] <anacron> said*
[08:35] <calamari> seveas: invalid operation "dist"
[08:35] <Seveas> calamari, try again: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:35] <ChrischiO`GER> How can i login on gnome as root?
[08:35] <eyequeue> as root?  eww
[08:35] <ChrischiO`GER> jap
[08:35] <anacron> shinu: have you used windows recently, sometimes ubuntu get's very angry if you do
[08:35] <ma3x> eyequeue, I figured that out, but why does the blackscreen show up with a blinking cursor?
[08:35] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER, you should NEVER do that....
[08:35] <thoreauputic> rob_newbie: what are you wanting to compile? It might be in the repositories already
[08:36] <cefx> Seveas: What would I do to upgrade to -current?
[08:36] <cefx> The same thing you told calamari?
[08:36] <calamari> should I install packages without verfication (I had to use apt -f)
[08:36] <rob_newbie> cd file-directory?
[08:36] <eyequeue> ma3x:  my guess is that it's a security feature, semi-like a screenlock, but not as aggressive
[08:36] <Seveas> cefx, what do you mean>
[08:36] <shinu> anacron: er... damn... my parents always use windows :/
[08:36] <Seveas> ?
[08:36] <cefx> the amd64 install was much  much faster
[08:36] <shinu> anacron: xP
[08:36] <cefx> Seveas: Kernel upgrade
[08:36] <skalpel> does anyone else here use bootsplash?
[08:36] <cefx> to -current
[08:36] <rob_newbie> It is xmms
[08:36] <ma3x> eyequeue, does it happen to you too?
[08:36] <PurpleMotion> rob_newbie:  yeah, change to the directory that was created when you untar'd the source package
[08:36] <ChrischiO`GER> Seveas - whats the diffrence between loggin in as root in terminal and as root on gnome??  oO
[08:36] <calamari> yikes .. scrolling too fast
[08:36] <cefx> I'm installing 5.04 -- does that come with a -current kernel then?
[08:36] <calamari> cant read this in ircii
[08:36] <cefx> :)
[08:36] <skalpel> what is a .diff file?
[08:36] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER, as root in X it is very easy to do damage
[08:36] <eyequeue> ma3x:  yes, it took some getting used to, but it's apparently normal
[08:36] <ar3ac> someone can help me ?
[08:37] <ar3ac> i need a live install cd with kernel 2.6.10 ?
[08:37] <anacron> shinu: so you have to choose, ubuntu or parents?
[08:37] <ma3x> eyequeue, u know how to disable it?
[08:37] <PurpleMotion> ChrischiO`GER:  because when you log into gnome it spawns about 20 or so processes.. all of these running uid=0 is a BAD thing
[08:37] <eyequeue> ma3x:  btw, sometimes it moves from f7 here to 710, still have not determined why, but experiment if f7 doesn't work
[08:37] <PurpleMotion> I'm all for having a root account, but I would _never_ log it into X
[08:37] <ChrischiO`GER> uid=0  ?
[08:37] <shinu> anacron: i have ubuntu on my laptop so it doesnt really matter xP
[08:37] <shinu> hm...
[08:37] <rob_newbie> Ok I am in the directory now
[08:37] <PurpleMotion> yeah, root is uid=0
[08:37] <anacron> shinu: keep it cool
[08:37] <eyequeue> ma3x:  no, i suspect it's in acpi-related packages somewhere
[08:37] <ChrischiO`GER> ah.. user ID^^
[08:38] <topyli> skalpel: it contains the differences between two or more files, so that the whole files don't have to be distributed again
[08:38] <shinu> my mplayer still gets stuck after finding this soundcard... ;.;
[08:38] <ma3x> ok eyequeue thanks for the info
[08:38] <eyequeue> ma3x:  np
[08:38] <calamari> I should file a bug report on that
[08:38] <shinu> anacron: *my* ubuntu works like wonder~
[08:38] <shinu> anacron: i think its something wrong with this comp ;)
[08:38] <skalpel> topyli: so that would be useful for making alterations to the kernel?
[08:38] <DekaPink> Hmmm... Anyone know where I might find a Ubuntu-themed splash for gimp? :3
[08:38] <anacron> shinu: well usually there is if it won't work :D
[08:39] <PurpleMotion> if there were one, dont u think ubuntu would have included it :D
[08:39] <shinu> :D
[08:39] <topyli> skalpel: yes, it's nicer to download a 100k diff file than a 30M kernel tarball :)
[08:39] <cefx> "be cool"
[08:39] <cefx> hehehe
[08:39] <ChrischiO`GER> Seveas - so how can i tell my drive it should be readable by nonsu when mounting it?? (without editing fstab (couse i dont know how to edit a file  -.-))
[08:39] <skalpel> topyli: what do you do with them? how do you applyu the changes?
[08:39] <PurpleMotion> load up gimp and make one :D
[08:39] <topyli> skalpel: you apply them with diff :)
[08:39] <topyli> man diff
[08:39] <cefx> ChrischiO`GER: vi /etc/fstab
[08:39] <skalpel> o
[08:39] <cefx> hehe
[08:39] <skalpel> ok
[08:39] <PurpleMotion> ChrischiO`GER:  learn :) it's not hard
[08:39] <shinu> which mplayer should i get? (apart from the nogui one)
[08:39] <cefx> or uh
[08:39] <DekaPink> PurpleMotion, I'm still rather bad with it... I don't think it would be very pretty. :D
[08:39] <skalpel> is it safe to do this?
[08:39] <cefx> in ubuntu it's vim isn't it?
[08:40] <ChrischiO`GER> narf
[08:40] <PurpleMotion> and dont do it via vi unless you're masochistic
[08:40] <shinu> 386? custom?
[08:40] <thoreauputic> ChrischiO`GER: editing fstab isn't really that difficult or scary you know :)
[08:40] <deprave> Razor-X: where is my gaim plugin for looking at irc chick's boobies?!
[08:40] <ChrischiO`GER> gnnaaaaa
[08:40] <cefx> thoreauputic: it is in FreeBSD.
[08:40] <cefx> ;D
[08:40] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER, mount -t ntfs /dev/bla /mount/point -o umask=0000
[08:40] <PurpleMotion> vi/m is evil
[08:40] <skalpel> does anyoen in here use bootsplash?
[08:40] <Seveas> vim is good
[08:40] <thoreauputic> cefx: well, we aren't in freeBSD ;)
[08:40] <PurpleMotion> good and evil
[08:41] <ChrischiO`GER> THX thats all i wanted to know  ;)
[08:41] <cefx> Seveas: What's the difference of vi vs vim?
[08:41] <PurpleMotion> nano is your friend
[08:41] <PurpleMotion> hell, ee rocks the socks off vim
[08:41] <deprave> PurpleMotion : whazup
[08:41] <topyli> skalpel: i'd like to, but have been too busy to play with it. i'm on vacation you see ;-)
[08:41] <Choubaka> vim is usable.
[08:41] <PurpleMotion> sup deprave
[08:41] <PurpleMotion> seig heil
[08:41] <deprave> HAHA
[08:41] <deprave> he didn't do anything
[08:41] <skalpel> topyli: ok. i want to know how stable it is before i apply it. im assuming you apply the bootsplash .diff file to the kernel, right?
[08:41] <Seveas> cefx, on ubuntu vi is a symlink to vim
[08:41] <deprave> it's an inside joke
[08:41] <Seveas> k
[08:42] <Seveas> but that talk is not appreciated...
[08:42] <cefx> oh I see.
[08:42] <deprave> he is apologetic over it
[08:42] <deprave> thanks
[08:42] <topyli> skalpel: something like that. actually, patch may be the correct utility. diff is for creating diff files
[08:42] <PurpleMotion> yeah uhh sorry for whatever i did
[08:42] <deprave> hehe
[08:42] <cefx> What was that URL about the behaviour expected in #ubuntu?
[08:42] <ChrischiO`GER> Seveas - do i have to tell him that it is ntfs (-t ntfs) everytime a mount an ntfs?
[08:42] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER, yup
[08:42] <deprave> cefx : www.lemonparty.org i think
[08:42] <skalpel> topyli: do you know when breezy will be released?
[08:42] <DekaPink> Huh... Has anyone tried installing the NeroLinux deb on Ubuntu? :3
[08:43] <ChrischiO`GER> Seveas - if i do not??
[08:43] <PurpleMotion> deprave:  do you know how to remove tattoos? i got this big number on my arm, suddenly....
[08:43] <topyli> skalpel: september
[08:43] <skalpel> i really like bootsplash graphics, but i do not want to go altering my kernel just yet
[08:43] <skalpel> ok
[08:43] <deprave> lol!
[08:43] <cefx> oh dear.
[08:43] <cefx> This is turning into chaos.
[08:43] <ChrischiO`GER> Seveas - cause did it   oO
[08:43] <PurpleMotion> skalpel:  splashy
[08:43] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: I guess a lot of people get offended by nazi references - even if they are intended as jokes
[08:43] <deprave> Razor-X are you here sir
[08:43] <cefx> ChrischiO`GER: Yes.
[08:43] <PurpleMotion> thoreauputic:  i guess so.
[08:43] <skalpel> purplemotion: ok
[08:44] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER, mount may guess it
[08:44] <deprave> anyone here know of a way to view web cams on gaim via msn messenger and yahoo im?
[08:44] <ChrischiO`GER> Seveas - ok^^
[08:44] <Seveas> but I prefer to explicitely say it :)
[08:44] <PurpleMotion> but yaknow seig heil is nothing more than a statement of alleigance (I murdered that word)... they heil things allt he time in germany and it doesnt mean they're nazis
[08:44] <PurpleMotion> deprave:  gaim-vv
[08:44] <ChrischiO`GER> Seveas - and umask=0000 is the option for readable by everyone or what?
[08:45] <Choubaka> PurpleMotion: hint: allegiance.
[08:45] <deprave> PurpleMotion is that an application of some sort
[08:45] <Choubaka> :)
[08:45] <cefx> no
[08:45] <cefx> by nobody
[08:45] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER, yup
[08:45] <ChrischiO`GER> h?
[08:45] <cefx> ChrischiO`GER: try =0222
[08:45] <cefx> Oh.
[08:45] <cefx> Seveas: that's bad though, -anyone- could fuck with him
[08:45] <PurpleMotion> deprave:  it's a dev branch of gaim that supports voice and video for the msn protocol, and will soon do the same for yahoo
[08:45] <cefx> pardon my language
[08:45] <cefx> :)
[08:45] <ChrischiO`GER> what is 0222??
[08:45] <cefx> read only
[08:46] <topyli> PurpleMotion: you even misspelled it. small wonder people are pissed ;-)
[08:46] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, I know the meaning, but it's so much abused by nazis and nazi-like people that the word triggers action quite easily
[08:46] <levander> There is a command to compare the contents (recursively) of two directories?
[08:46] <ph8> i have a total nub question, can anyone tell me the difference between 386 and 686?
[08:46] <ChrischiO`GER> readonly by who??
[08:46] <PurpleMotion> Seveas:  i'll concede that
[08:46] <cefx> everyone
[08:46] <levander> ph8: 686 is the pentium ii, 386 is the old intel 386, the oldest intel chip linux supports
[08:46] <skalpel> purplemotion: can you tell me what this means? dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of splashy:
[08:46] <skalpel>  splashy depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21); however:
[08:46] <skalpel>   Version of libc6 on system is 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13.
[08:46] <ChrischiO`GER> hm? and 0000 is.. ?
[08:46] <MrMaDSeN> how do I mount what i see at smb://mediabox ?
[08:46] <svizzero> anyone knows a package for measuring cpu temperature on linux?
[08:47] <PurpleMotion> what version of splashy do you have?
[08:47] <PurpleMotion> cause mine didnt do that
[08:47] <cefx> read/write/etc
[08:47] <PurpleMotion> try: apt-get -f install
[08:47] <PurpleMotion> lemme see what version of splashy i have
[08:47] <skalpel> i have 1.5, the most recenet version
[08:47] <PurpleMotion> ii  splashy        0.1.5          A complete user-space boot splash system
[08:47] <thoreauputic> svizzero: lmsensors - but configuring it is a bit of a pain
[08:48] <PurpleMotion> hrmm
[08:48] <eyequeue> svizzero:  gkrellm
[08:48] <shadrach> can u use regular deb's with ubuntu?
[08:48] <PurpleMotion> try: apt-get -f install
[08:48] <ChrischiO`GER> cefx - by what? everybody?
[08:48] <PurpleMotion> does it remove splashy?
[08:48] <svizzero> eyequeue, does gkrellm display also the cpu temperature?
[08:48] <graabein> shadrach, i want to know this as well. or at least how to try them
[08:48] <cefx> Yes.
[08:48] <graabein> before i install
[08:48] <cefx> You don't wnat to write to NTFS though
[08:48] <cefx> that is a -bad- idea
[08:48] <eyequeue> svizzero:  mine displays both cpu and hdd temp here
[08:48] <shadrach> well, there are certain apps i want that I know are not in the ubuntu repos
[08:48] <rob_newbie> ok after I am in the directory that it was extracted to what do I do?
[08:48] <ChrischiO`GER> cefx - and what is the code for suonly?
[08:48] <shinu> should it make any difference whether i use mplayer in gnome or xfce4?
[08:48] <skalpel> purplemotion: i got the same arror using aptitude
[08:49] <topyli> shadrach: a deb is a deb. it depends on which system the package was built on. debian packages may or may not work -- better not use them
[08:49] <cefx> su only? um mount it with sudo and specify nothing
[08:49] <PurpleMotion> skalpel:  try: apt-get -f install
[08:49] <cefx> and only root will get it
[08:49] <ChrischiO`GER> hm  :/
[08:49] <skalpel> purplemotion: i did, i got the same error
[08:49] <PurpleMotion> does it remove splashy? or upgrade your library?
[08:49] <Seveas> topyli, a deb is a deb of course of course, and no one can talk to a deb of course, ....:)
[08:49] <thoreauputic> shinu: mplayer works fine in any window manger / desktop
[08:49] <shadrach> ok, so i guess ubuntu aint for me then
[08:49] <topyli> heh
[08:49] <skalpel> purplemotion: er, sorry i did not
[08:49] <eyequeue> svizzero:  i may have added some extra gkreallm-* packages too, browse through synaptic or aptitude to see if there are any you like, if you decide to install it
[08:49] <PurpleMotion> what command, exactly, are you entering?
[08:49] <skalpel> purplemotion: it is removing splashy now
[08:49] <PurpleMotion> ah
[08:49] <PurpleMotion> try
[08:49] <calamari> seveas: the apt-get dist-upgrade has finished.. do I need to do anything else?>
[08:49] <kemik> PurpleMotion:  i think its "sieg heil" not "seig heil"
[08:49] <shinu> thoreauputic: well... it seems to fail with both my configurations under gnome
[08:50] <Seveas> calamari, yes reboot
[08:50] <PurpleMotion> dpkg -i --force-all splashy
[08:50] <shinu> thoreauputic: though on my laptop it works very fine under xfce4
[08:50] <svizzero> eyequeue, k thx
[08:50] <calamari> seveas: okay.. there was another command you mentioned but I didn't do it yeytdoes it matter?
[08:50] <skalpel> purplemotion: dpkg: error processing splashy (--install):
[08:50] <skalpel>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[08:50] <deprave> PurpleMotion ok thanks
[08:50] <thoreauputic> shinu: hmm - dunno then
[08:50] <shinu> damn
[08:50] <deprave> PurpleMotion can i apt-get it?
[08:50] <shinu> ok
[08:50] <Seveas> calamari, apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[08:50] <PurpleMotion> kemik:  whatever it was a joke and you people have killed it, resurrected it, killed it again, and crucified it
[08:50] <shinu> going to install xfce4 on this comp
[08:50] <Seveas> it does matter a lot
[08:50] <PurpleMotion> so let it go
[08:50] <thoreauputic> shinu: here it seems OK in any WM
[08:50] <shinu> thanks a lot for your help ^^
[08:50] <Chaotic_Shield> hmm....
[08:50] <graabein> can anyone tell me which of these (i have 0.4*) running and i want to get 0.5*
[08:50] <graabein> http://tuxcmd.sourceforge.net/download.php
[08:50] <PurpleMotion> deprave:  i doubt it
[08:51] <shinu> thoreauputic: seems my bad luck keeps following me around... :P
[08:51] <shinu> thoreauputic: though i prefer xfce anyways xP
[08:51] <shinu> k, bye
[08:51] <ChrischiO`GER> juhu  i worked  :)
[08:51] <Chaotic_Shield> bah
[08:52] <PurpleMotion> deprave:  it is installable via cvs though
[08:52] <PurpleMotion> deprave:  gaim-vv.sf.net
[08:52] <ChrischiO`GER> *it
[08:52] <kemik> PurpleMotion:  of futurecrew ?
[08:52] <skalpel> purplemotion: any ideas on how to install splashy? i cannot use synaptic either
[08:52] <Chaotic_Shield> any way to update locate db?
[08:52] <Chaotic_Shield> locate -u or somesuch?
[08:53] <PurpleMotion> skalpel:  dpkg -i --force-all splashy.deb
[08:53] <rob_newbie> I am working on installing xmms from a tarball   what am I suppost to type ./configure in??
[08:53] <kemik> Chaotic_Shield:  sudo locate -u
[08:53] <thoreauputic> Chaotic_Shield: sudo apdatedb
[08:53] <kemik> Chaotic_Shield:  try the man-pages ;)
[08:53] <PurpleMotion> although i get no such errors with splashy
[08:53] <PurpleMotion> odd
[08:53] <thoreauputic> Chadza: sorry typo sudo updatedb
[08:53] <skalpel> purplemotion: dpkg: error processing splashy.deb (--install):
[08:53] <skalpel>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[08:53] <kemik> rob_newbie:  apt-get install xmms instead, always the better option
[08:53] <calamari> seveas: thanks a lot for your help, btw :)
[08:53] <PurpleMotion> well you're gonna have to change it to the actual name of the .deb file
[08:54] <ChrischiO`GER> how can i make a link to my mounted drive on my desktop?
[08:54] <skalpel> purplemotion: k, i did =) forgive me, im new to linux
[08:54] <PurpleMotion> it's all good
[08:54] <kemik> rob_newbie:  but concerning your question, you open a terminalwindow, goto the folder where you've unpacked the tarball and type ./configure
[08:54] <skalpel> purpemotion: k, that worked. how do i configure it now?
[08:54] <ChrischiO`GER> dont tell me to make a dir and mount it there..
[08:54] <rob_newbie> Ahh K
[08:54] <noname> yay
[08:54] <PurpleMotion> skalpel:  man splashy... alternatively take a look in /etc/splashy
[08:55] <rob_newbie> so what is better about apt anyway
[08:55] <PurpleMotion> particularly at /etc/splashy/config.xml
[08:55] <kemik> rob_newbie:  everything
[08:55] <PurpleMotion> I heart apt
[08:55] <Chaotic_Shield> ChrischiO`GER, make a link that points to wherever you mounted the drive to.
[08:55] <ChrischiO`GER> how?
[08:55] <thoreauputic> ChrischiO`GER: middle mouse button drag the mount point icon to the desktop and choose to make a link, if I remember correctly
[08:55] <PurpleMotion> okay, im gonna go watch herbie... talk to you guys later
[08:56] <skalpel> purplemotion: thank you for your help
[08:56] <kemik> rob_newbie:  only time you wanna compile stuff is when it's not available as a .deb package or in the apt-repositories ;)
[08:56] <PurpleMotion> netime, man
[08:56] <ChrischiO`GER> ah ok
[08:56] <ChrischiO`GER> can i do links manually too???
[08:56] <rob_newbie> kemik:  LOL well I found it in a deb but am equally lost there too
[08:56] <ChrischiO`GER> make one and then specify a target?
[08:57] <kemik> rob_newbie:  try "sudo apt-get install xmms" (without the quotes)
[08:57] <kemik> rob_newbie:  installing a .deb package is: "dpkg -i name.deb"
[08:57] <ChrischiO`GER> like chaotic told
[08:57] <thoreauputic> ChrischiO`GER: sure, you can do a link in terminal with ln -s (see man ln )
[08:57] <ChrischiO`GER> hm
[08:57] <topyli> rob_newbie: really, you should use apt-get since xmms is in the ubuntu universe
[08:58] <J_P> I not like users have root access, then I remove all from admin group and I change root password. But  when I try change some preferences gnome show me one window for enter with user passowrd. Is possible change for accept root password for change preferences ?
[08:58] <ChrischiO`GER> but i could also make a dir and mount my drive there??
[08:58] <rob_newbie> hmmm
[08:58] <topyli> skalpel: the splashy deb fails here too. i guess i'll build a new one
[08:58] <ChrischiO`GER> ..on my desktop?
[08:58] <rob_newbie> I am so new to this
[08:59] <rob_newbie> I like it but Am confused
[08:59] <loorni> How can i erase my PPPoE connection
[08:59] <loorni> ?
[08:59] <kemik> rob_newbie:  im assuming you've not touched the /etc/apt/sources.list file, a suggestion is to edit that file and remove the # infront of the universe/multiverse repositories, in a termina type "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list"
[08:59] <Seveas> J_P, whoah you're not making sense there. Can you rephrase that question please
[08:59] <J_P> Seveas: ok!
[08:59] <thoreauputic> ChrischiO`GER: you can mount filesystems on the desktop if you wish, yes -but making links is the approved/better way
[08:59] <kemik> rob_newbie:  after that is done, type "sudo apt-get update" "sudo apt-get install xmms"
[08:59] <DekaPink> NeroLinux is pretty. :3
[09:00] <Chaotic_Shield> thoreauputic, you know where apt-get installs programs? /usr/bin?
[09:00] <Chaotic_Shield> nvm.
[09:00] <rob_newbie> kemik:  ????? brb
[09:00] <Chaotic_Shield> it is.
[09:00] <kemik> DekaPink:  nerolinux is ok, but growisofs works for .img files which Nero does not :)
[09:00] <thoreauputic> Chaotic_Shield: to see where a package is installed type dpkg -L <package>
[09:00] <skalpel> topyli: i got it to work using purplemotions last command recommendation, i now have it installed
[09:00] <kemik> rob_newbie:  i'm leaving in about 5minutes
[09:00] <ChrischiO`GER> and links stay on my desk after reboot .. and mounts i have to make evertime new if they are not written in fstab???
[09:01] <DekaPink> kemik, not a problem for me yet... Since I've never had to use any .img files. :3
[09:01] <J_P> Seveas: I click system->admin-> config_my_init_session and show message "Please enter your password for run gdmsetup". but i like password accept is only root password..
[09:01] <kemik> DekaPink:  lucky you;) just remember that growisofs works for them aswell when the time comes ;)
[09:01] <topyli> skalpel: the comment about you using an incorrect filename?
[09:01] <thoreauputic> ChrischiO`GER: that's what /etc/fstab is for: so you don't have to manually mount stuff all the time if you don't want to
[09:01] <Chaotic_Shield> I heart locate -ucl 0
[09:02] <ChrischiO`GER> ok
[09:02] <J_P> Seveas: i change root password using #passwd root; and i get out all users from admin group. Becouse i not like users have access to suso
[09:02] <DekaPink> kemik: What would one need .img files for? :)
[09:02] <J_P> Seveas: understand now ?
[09:02] <Seveas> J_P, yep
[09:02] <skalpel> topyli: yes
[09:02] <kemik> DekaPink:  DVD and CD imagefiles
[09:03] <DekaPink> kemik: Okey dokey. :3
[09:03] <Seveas> J_P, you can specify that in /etc/sudoers
[09:03] <J_P> Seveas: how i do for i write root password for setup preferences and not user password ?
[09:03] <skalpel> topyli: use dpkg -i --force-all splashy.deb substituting splashy.deb for the package name
[09:03] <Seveas> J_P, that file is just a pain in the ass to edit
[09:03] <catolh> Is the amsn site down?
[09:03] <Seveas> hang on
[09:03] <kemik> J_P:  only edit sudoers with "visudo"
[09:03] <skalpel> topyli: it worked over here
[09:03] <kemik> it's a picky file, and you DONT want to mess it up
[09:03] <J_P> Seveas: humm
[09:04] <topyli> skalpel: ahh, force. i guess i'd rather build from the debian source
[09:04] <Seveas> J_P, try this command: EDITOR=gedit sudo visudo
[09:04] <DekaPink> I decided to get nerolinux to see if it would work for better than gnomebaker and k3b, which always error right at the end of writing a CD. :3
[09:04] <Seveas> J_P, that opens an editor window
[09:04] <onur> I tried to add the repos in http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories but they dont seem work furthermore referring that page i am trying to install flashplayer with sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla but it says theres no such package, am i doing something wrong ?
[09:04] <Chaotic_Shield> http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/?t=archives&date=2005-08-01 <--- HAHAHAHAH
[09:04] <Seveas> J_P, did that work?
[09:04] <ohay> can someone help me with something? I've just installed Ubuntu 5.04 on a machine which already has others distros and selected the existing /home partition as Ubuntu's home partition
[09:05] <thoreauputic> onur: did you run sudo apt-get update after editing the file?
[09:05] <topyli> onur: yes, you're getting help from a page that's incorrect :)
[09:05] <Chaotic_Shield> ohay, well that wasn't very smart was it?
[09:05] <ohay> the problem is that it doesn't allow writing on /home, and I can't understand why
[09:05] <J_P> Seveas: yes, but i not understand how do now for accept only root password ? becouse root are in /etc/sudoers
[09:05] <onur> thoreauputic, no i'll do right now
[09:05] <onur> topyli, are u sure ?
[09:05] <topyli> ohay: your user id is different on different systems
[09:06] <topyli> onur: no. but the guide is known to be wrong sometimes
[09:06] <Seveas> J_P, hang on :)
[09:06] <thoreauputic> ohay: probably your user has a different uid on the other distros
[09:06] <Seveas> J_P, search for the line that starts with Defaults:
[09:06] <Seveas> paste that line in here
[09:06] <ohay> topyli: but I'm using diferent users
[09:06] <onur> topyli, but it mentioned to run update, somehow i missed it, my fault it was
[09:07] <Chaotic_Shield> anyone know where to get more login themes?
[09:07] <topyli> ohay: hmm., well that's different
[09:07] <topyli> onur: oh, that happens too :)
[09:07] <Seveas> Chaotic_Shield, art.gnome.org / gnome-look.org
[09:07] <J_P> Seveas: # Defaults
[09:07] <J_P> Defaults        !lecture,tty_tickets,!fqdn
[09:07] <shinu> oh yes, i have another question 8)
[09:07] <calamari> hi
[09:07] <Seveas> J_P good
[09:07] <ohay> since Ubuntu doesn't come with an enabled root acount I'm trying to create a folder for my user
[09:07] <Seveas> you need to change that line
[09:07] <shinu> how do i put xfce4 as my default wm?
[09:07] <J_P> Seveas: for waht ?
[09:07] <calamari> I've upgraded to Hoary, and I lost all my menus from Warty .. can I get them back?
[09:07] <J_P> for what ?
[09:07] <Seveas> Defaults        !lecture,tty_tickets,!fqdn,rootpw
[09:08] <Seveas> that
[09:08] <ohay> just by typing mkdir user_name
[09:08] <Seveas> so add ,rootpw
[09:08] <J_P> Seveas: ok, goin to test
[09:08] <thoreauputic> shinu: in the login screen when you select it from Sessions, it should ask you if you want it as default
[09:08] <Seveas> J_P good luck :)
[09:08] <Seveas> J_P, but!!!
[09:08] <thoreauputic> shinu: when you login
[09:08] <catolh> i just got this error configuring amsn cvs.. "checking tcl build dir... configure: error: Unable to find Tcl directory or Tcl package is not tcl-dev
[09:08] <catolh> ".. anyone know what might be wrong?
[09:08] <shinu> thoreauputic: k, will try that one
[09:08] <Seveas> keep your user in that file!!
[09:08] <Seveas> otherwise it will not work :)
[09:09] <Spudchat> allright guys one more question
[09:09] <Spudchat> iroffer can be installed in ubuntu correct?
[09:09] <calamari> I've upgraded to Hoary, and I lost all my menus from Warty .. can I get them back?
[09:09] <J_P> Seveas: what ?
[09:09] <J_P> Seveas: not work.. :-(
[09:10] <Seveas> J_P if you remove users or groups from that file it will not work, users still need to be in there in order to be able to run sudo
[09:10] <shammy> hello, i've been trying to install linux on this system for a very long time, unsuccessfully. the problem is the ati video card, and getting drivers to work with it and a proper xserver config. last night I downloaded damn small linux and burned it to a cd as a livecd, and it works perfectly. Is there anyway I can use this to help figure out how to get Ubuntu to work?
[09:10] <AlexBO> hello evrybody. I've a strange problem.I have copied some files from a cd and now i can't unmount it. "Device is busy": that's impossible! i've fusered it too: nothing.how can i do?
[09:10] <ohay> I can't remember now, but what's the command for changing the owner of a file/folder?
[09:10] <Seveas> J_P, and one more thing: changes become effective only after you closed the editor. simply saving the file is not enough
[09:10] <Seveas> ohay, chown
[09:10] <J_P> Seveas: ok, i only remove user in /etc/group in admin group
[09:11] <shinu> thoreauputic: ok thanks a lot 8)
[09:11] <shinu> k.
[09:11] <J_P> Seveas: i need restart X ?
[09:11] <Seveas> J_P, unfortunately users must be in the admin group to be able to run sudo
[09:11] <shinu> gnights people ^^
[09:11] <thoreauputic> shammy: dsl uses a very basic x-server, not xorg: to get a similar effect you could select the vesa driver in ubuntu
[09:11] <ohay> Seveas: and does it have any parameters like the three permission numbers?
[09:11] <milwatts> hey ppl
[09:11] <shinu> thanks a lot for your help
[09:11] <Seveas> ohay, chown new_owner filename
[09:11] <milwatts> where do i get a print version installation guide of ubuntu?
[09:11] <J_P> Seveas: but i cannot give super user permission for tht user...
[09:12] <Jakestah> I am starting to install ubuntu for the first time and I downloaded the AMD64 installer and it told me my CPU doesn't support long mode and to get a 32bit distro. My friend told me to try the Intelx86 Install but when I burn that ISO to a disk it doesn't read it. It just says it's a blank cd. What is it I should do?
[09:12] <Seveas> J_P, is that user in the admin group?
[09:12] <J_P> Seveas: yes
[09:12] <J_P> Seveas: sorry, now not are mor
[09:12] <shammy> thoreauputic: how do I select the vesa driver?
[09:12] <J_P> Seveas: i get out all user in admin group
[09:12] <thoreauputic> shammy: of course the vesa driver won't give you anything approaching the potential performance of a dedicated driver
[09:12] <Seveas> J_P, if the user is not in the admin group, he cannot run sudo
[09:12] <shinu> gnights
[09:13] <Seveas> J_P, or you must add the user to /etc/sudoers
[09:13] <wabble> anybody with raid1 setup on sil3112 chip here? Wondering about installing the raid1 during install or after.. how to?
[09:13] <shammy> thoreauputic: but atleast it is something, that i can use until i figure out getting the card working
[09:13] <J_P> Seveas: sill be testing..
[09:13] <thoreauputic> shammy: run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and select it
[09:13] <Razor-X> Seveas: I see that doing complex tables in LaTeX is a pretty big pain
[09:13] <shammy> thoreauputic: ok thanks
[09:13] <thoreauputic> shammy: yeah, it's a starting point
[09:13] <Seveas> Razor-X, even simple tables are a pain :)
[09:13] <Jakestah> Would anybody mind helping me installing. I'm having issues : (
[09:13] <Razor-X> is there some sort of better environment for tables than tabular? or does it come with a fit-to-page thingie?
[09:13] <Razor-X> Seveas: well, ok, but it's more of a pain than usual ;)
[09:13] <Seveas> there is tabularx
[09:14] <Seveas> that is one with wrapping
[09:14] <Razor-X> ahhh, thank god ;)
[09:14] <Seveas> :D
[09:14] <Razor-X> any different syntax from what I already have?
[09:14] <calamari> is there any way to get my old Warty icons back.. the Hoary icons suck
[09:14] <Seveas> tabularx is a different package
[09:14] <oris_wolfbane> hey guys
[09:14] <Seveas> google CPAN for instructions :)
[09:14] <Razor-X> I mean, some of my lines look good, but the rest are chopped off at the wrong places, and it looks like shit
[09:14] <Razor-X> Seveas: mmmkay ;)
[09:14] <oris_wolfbane> is thera command to reload all the printers/ redo hot plug
[09:14] <milwatts> kubuntu or ubuntu installation is similar?
[09:14] <Seveas> oris_wolfbane, reboot :)
[09:15] <Razor-X> err, CTAN Seveas ;)
[09:15] <Seveas> milwatts, yes
[09:15] <PM-Mewvee> ive come to the conclusion that its not my codecs or players, these two mp4's are both bad
[09:15] <Seveas> Razor-X, ehrm, true :)
[09:15] <milwatts> Seveas thnx :)
[09:15] <milwatts> brb
[09:15] <oris_wolfbane> seveas thats the problem in middle of a huuuuuge compile and dont want to stop
[09:16] <Seveas> oris_wolfbane, then wait for the compile to finish :)
[09:16] <Chaotic_Shield> lol
[09:16] <Chaotic_Shield> is there a  way to refresh hotplug though?
[09:16] <oris_wolfbane> seveas, its already been going for 9 hours!
[09:16] <Seveas> oris_wolfbane, there is invoke-rc.d hotplug restart
[09:16] <PurpleMotion> yeah
[09:16] <calamari> please anyone.. where are  my Warty menus?
[09:16] <PurpleMotion> killall -1 hotplug
[09:16] <PurpleMotion> or
[09:16] <oris_wolfbane> seveas, thanxs
[09:16] <Seveas> oris_wolfbane, wtf are you compiling? KDE?
[09:16] <calamari> I need stuff off them that Hoary screwed over
[09:16] <PurpleMotion>  /etc/init.d/hotplug restart
[09:16] <oris_wolfbane> seaves, openembedded
[09:17] <MartenH> lo all.
[09:17] <Mrk> Hello
[09:17] <Seveas> oris_wolfbane, is that simulator or SDK?
[09:17] <adiabatic> What's the proper way to run a program once a day in Ubuntu? I'm used to using /etc/periodic, but I haven't found it in my install nor through synaptic
[09:17] <oris_wolfbane> the pakages
[09:17] <Seveas> adiabatic, cron
[09:17] <thoreauputic> calamari: I wonder if when you upgraded you didn't have the ubuntu-desktop metapackage installed?
[09:17] <Razor-X> Seveas: when specifying tabularx's width. do I specify it in points? is there any way to specify the whole page minus margins?
[09:17] <PurpleMotion> adiabatic:  /etc/cron.daily
[09:17] <adiabatic> thanks
[09:17] <Razor-X> I really don't want to use a spreadsheeting tool, because LaTeX looks so good ;)
[09:17] <Seveas> Razor-X, ENOCLUE, never used it myself :)
[09:17] <calamari> thoreauputic: I did apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[09:18] <Razor-X> Seveas: ahhh, ok, ;)
[09:18] <thoreauputic> calamari: OK
[09:18] <Jakestah> Can someone help me Install ubuntu? It's my first time
[09:18] <Seveas> Jakestah, what's the problem?
[09:18] <Jakestah> I am starting to install ubuntu for the first time and I downloaded the AMD64 installer and it told me my CPU doesn't support long mode and to get a 32bit distro. My friend told me to try the Intelx86 Install but when I burn that ISO to a disk it doesn't read it. It just says it's a blank cd. What is it I should do?
[09:18] <Jakestah> By the way I have an AMD 3000+ Processor
[09:18] <Seveas> Jakestah, hmm, are you sure the cd is burnt right (ie: can you see files on it in windows?)
[09:18] <Jakestah> No I can't
[09:19] <thoreauputic> Jakestah: did you burn the CD as an iso image?
[09:19] <Jakestah> I tried reburning like 5 times with different programs
[09:19] <calamari> thoreauputic: so I've lost my menus completely then?
[09:19] <Jakestah> Yes I did
[09:19] <Seveas> Jakestah, maybe the .iso file is nad
[09:19] <Seveas> bad*
[09:19] <Jakestah> Maybe.
[09:19] <Seveas> check the md5 sum
[09:19] <Jakestah> Ok wheres that at?
[09:19] <thoreauputic> calamari: I don't know, sorry
[09:19] <shammy> thoreauputic: what was the command to reconfig xserver? I usually use xorgcfg -textmode but it doesn't give the option to use vesa.
[09:19] <Seveas> !md5sum
[09:19] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, Seveas
[09:19] <hammer3008> can anyone help me with installing ubuntu...i am now using xp
[09:20] <thoreauputic> shammy:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:20] <shammy> thanks
[09:20] <Jakestah> Thanks!
[09:20] <Razor-X> Seveas: do you know how much space you have without the margins on a LaTeX letterpaper ?
[09:20] <Jakestah> !md5sum
[09:20] <ubotu> Jakestah: I give up, what is it?
[09:20] <hammer3008> and tell me why i should install ubuntu will it run faster.
[09:21] <thoreauputic> hammer3008: no spyware, no viruses, complete freedom to do as you wish with the OS ...
[09:21] <Razor-X> hammer3008: Linux in general will run faster, your network speeds can become faster (my Linux box seems to get more throughput from the same connection versus the Windows equilavent), it's more powerful than Windows, and almost everything is no cost
[09:22] <Razor-X> you also have the advantages of an almost virus-free environment, and an adware/spyware-free environment
[09:22] <popey> ..and a warm fuzzy feeling inside
[09:22] <Razor-X> yes that too ;)
[09:22] <Razor-X> and you get to learn something -- although I suspect that's more of a detractor for most ;)
[09:23] <hammer3008> can you still use torrents on linux
[09:23] <thoreauputic> and you get to make rude jestures in the direction of Redmond *grin*
[09:23] <wabble> i cant get raid1 to work on install and get error 18 from grub, anybody?
[09:23] <popey> download torrents? yes
[09:23] <thoreauputic> *gestures
[09:23] <calamari> how do I edit my menus.. is it Applications:/// ?
[09:23] <calamari> (that's not working(
[09:23] <hammer3008> ok now how do i install it the file that i downloaded is alittle bigger than 2gigs
[09:23] <thoreauputic> hammer3008: torrents were an open source invention
[09:24] <hammer3008> and i dont know what to put on cd
[09:24] <popey> install what?
[09:24] <thoreauputic> hammer3008: 2 Gigs ? Was it a DVD or something?
[09:24] <popey> it may be multiple ISOs
[09:24] <popey> fedora do that with their torrents
[09:24] <hammer3008> i tried to put the launch on a cd and reboot with the cd
[09:25] <popey> one torrent, 4 isos
[09:25] <hammer3008> i got it from the ubuntu site
[09:25] <popey> what files do you have?
[09:25] <popey> are they .iso files?
[09:25] <BobaFett> Hey guys, anyone knows what 'gst-register' is? i can't run rhythmbox because of a 'scheduler' issue :(
[09:26] <Razor-X> back
[09:26] <uber_newber> can sum1 please help me install my toshiba usb fdd kit
[09:26] <Razor-X> hammer3008: download torrents? hah
[09:26] <thoreauputic> BobaFett: have you run ' gst-register0.8 ' ?
[09:26] <hammer3008> what is so funny
[09:26] <Razor-X> a great majority of torrents around the internet are Linux isos
[09:26] <uber_newber> can sum1 please help me install my toshiba usb fdd kit, im running ubuntu 5.04
[09:26] <hammer3008> i didnt know that
[09:26] <Razor-X> most of the larger torrents are large Linux distributions
[09:26] <wabble> and the rest is movies and such
[09:27] <Razor-X> exactly
[09:27] <Razor-X> ;)
[09:27] <BobaFett> thoreauputic: Nopes, but tried just now and I get the 'command not found' thingie from the bash :(
[09:27] <BobaFett> thoreauputic: what's that? i've never had that problem before :(
[09:27] <popey> it's gst-register-0.8
[09:27] <popey> note the extra minus sign
[09:27] <thoreauputic> BobaFett: hmm - it should be there - try typing  gst-reg <tab>
[09:28] <thoreauputic> popey: ah yes you are right
[09:28] <catolh> is the amsn that supports webcam in ubuntu's repository?
[09:28] <BobaFett> thoreauputic: I just ran gst-register-0.8 and it seems to be doing something :)
[09:28] <thoreauputic> BobaFett: sorry my bad
[09:28] <thoreauputic> popey: thanks
[09:28] <popey> catolh: i don't think it does
[09:28] <popey> np
[09:28] <catolh> popey, ok, so i need to install from cvs?
[09:28] <popey> dunno, i use gaim
[09:28] <wabble> so is there anybody here who knows installing a raid1 set via the ubuntuinstaller now? sil3112
[09:28] <BobaFett> thoreauputic: I got 'loaded 148 plugins with 490 features'...and rhythmbox runs again! :)
[09:29] <popey> wabble: yes
[09:29] <popey> wabble: i did it yesterday
[09:29] <thoreauputic> BobaFett: :)
[09:29] <popey> wabble: what you wanna know?
[09:29] <BobaFett> Thanks a bunch, guys! :) :)
[09:29] <wabble> popey, howto
[09:29] <wabble> :p
[09:29] <uber_newber> can sum1 please help me install my toshiba usb fdd kit, im running ubuntu 5.04. my laptop is a toshiba tecra 8000 2 processor
[09:29] <hammer3008> .disk,bin,casper,disctree,dists,doc,install,isolinux,pics,pool,preseed,programs,tools,autorun,md5sum,README,start,start,start,ubuntu.
[09:29] <icewt> catolh, it is
[09:29] <thoreauputic> BobaFett: you're welcome
[09:29] <Razor-X> uber_newber: what's a fdd kit?
[09:29] <hammer3008> those are tghe names of the files and folders that i have
[09:29] <popey> wabble: i used boot: server-expert
[09:29] <uber_newber> a floppy disk drive
[09:29] <catolh> icewt, what version is it?
[09:30] <uber_newber> cuz i dont have one built into my laptop
[09:30] <Razor-X> uber_newber: so, it's a USB Floppy Drive?
[09:30] <Razor-X> ;)
[09:30] <hammer3008>  .disk,bin,casper,disctree,dists,doc,install,isolinux,pics,pool,preseed,programs,tools,autorun,md5sum,README,start,start,start,ubuntu.
[09:30] <wabble> popey, ok.. i just used the server, but you do it from the manual pratitioning tool?
[09:30] <popey> wabble: yes
[09:30] <uber_newber> Razor-X: correct
[09:30] <Razor-X> have you tried ``hotplug'', uber_newber ?
[09:30] <crimsun> hammer3008: any reason you keep pasting that?
[09:30] <jipitore> in first time sorry for my english
[09:30] <popey> crimsun: he has downloaded an ubuntu iso and wants to know how to install
[09:30] <Madpilot> hammer3008: you don't open the ISO, you just burn the whole thing to a CD as an ISO
[09:30] <Razor-X> hammer3008: if you want to check the integrity of your CD, don't paste that here, check the md5sum of the CD
[09:30] <uber_newber> Razor-X: i dont even know what hotplug is
[09:30] <icewt> catolh, er.. or maybe it isn't a versiont that supports webcam, don't know.
[09:30] <popey> Crane: i asked what was in the iso
[09:30] <uber_newber> Razor-X: im a complete newb
[09:31] <Razor-X> uber_newber: in a terminal type in ``hotplug''
[09:31] <uber_newber> k
[09:31] <jipitore> anybody was configured a tv card with chip conexant 878
[09:31] <jipitore> ?
[09:31] <Razor-X> oh wow, my new headphones are incredible
[09:31] <icewt> catolh, http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/x11/amsn
[09:31] <thoreauputic> hammer3008: I'm not sure you have the right download there... most people download the CD iso for the installation CD
[09:31] <wabble> popey, so how do i set it up? i set up the scsi2 as a raid disk and copy the content from scsi1?
[09:31] <popey> wabble: no
[09:31] <popey> wabble: you have two disks the same yes?
[09:31] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: you want to get the iso, and then burn the iso onto the CD using a burning program that supports ISOs
[09:32] <popey> wabble: create two partitions, one on each disk
[09:32] <wabble> popey, yes
[09:32] <Razor-X> (which is the majority of burning programs out there, free or not)
[09:32] <popey> wabble: that are the same size
[09:32] <wabble> both primarys?
[09:32] <popey> wabble: then there's an option at the top of the partitioner to create raid
[09:32] <hammer3008> the whole thing is too big what do i download to the cd
[09:32] <Madpilot> hammer3008: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BurningIsoHowto <-- has info on burning Ubuntu ISOs
[09:32] <hammer3008> i have nero
[09:32] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: I assume that was meant for hammer3008 ?
[09:32] <popey> wabble: you create an md device, it's pretty simple from there
[09:32] <popey> then select the partition (the raid one that gets created) and make it /
[09:33] <thoreauputic> !download
[09:33] <ubotu> I heard download is get Ubuntu LiveCD & install ISOs at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/ and if you need information on burning ISOs, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BurningIsoHowto
[09:33] <thoreauputic> hammer3008: ^^^
[09:33] <wabble> popey, but the partitions i create.. do i set them as primarys?
[09:33] <Madpilot> hammer3008: it shouldn't be too big. the Ubuntu install is 586Mb, the live CD is 625Mb roughly
[09:33] <popey> ummm, it's all getting kinda hazy now
[09:33] <popey> i just created one big partition
[09:33] <wabble> popey, i have to create two "physical volume for raid"?
[09:33] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: yeah, it was
[09:33] <popey> yes
[09:33] <wabble> popey, ok
[09:34] <Razor-X> hammer3008: then use nero to open the ISO file
[09:34] <wabble> popey, do i enable the bootable flag on any of the drives?
[09:34] <popey> can't remember
[09:34] <wabble> ok
[09:34] <Razor-X> go to Nero Burning Rom, hit the ``Open'' button, now in the filetypes drop box, select ``Image files (*.iso) and open the iso
[09:34] <Razor-X> (if you don't know how, that is)
[09:35] <calamari> how do I edit my menus?
[09:35] <thoreauputic> !smeg
[09:35] <ubotu> well, smeg is a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[09:35] <thoreauputic> calamari: ^^^
[09:35] <Razor-X> and, calamari, thank Amaranth after that ;)
[09:35] <Razor-X> (since he made it)
[09:36] <thoreauputic> indeed
[09:37] <wabble> popey, think i got it figured out. Thanks for the help, hope i wont see the error 18 from grub anymore :)
[09:38] <calamari> thanks Amaranth .. but I don't see any comment by you :)
[09:38] <wabble> popey, hold on. it crashed haha
[09:38] <BrianB04> Afternoon all.
[09:40] <flodine> hello
[09:40] <speel> hi
[09:40] <Camo> yo
[09:40] <speel> yo
[09:40] <flodine> no one talking'
[09:40] <flodine> why
[09:40] <catolh> erhm..
[09:40] <speel> no humans
[09:40] <Camo> 1 op... 536 others
[09:40] <flodine> is everthing fixed
[09:40] <Camo> whoas
[09:40] <wabble> i can talk about me not getting raid1 to work
[09:41] <catolh> bash: cvs: command not found..
[09:41] <catolh> wtf?
[09:41] <crimsun> install it
[09:41] <Camo> i can rant about how we dont have good 64-bit flash?
[09:41] <catolh> yeah, figured that much.. but thanks.. heh :)
[09:41] <calamari> wait.. so it's no longer possible to Run Applications:/// or whatever it was, to edit menus ?
[09:41] <nox> catolh, sudo apt-get install cvs?
[09:41] <crimsun> calamari: not in Hoary, no.
[09:41] <samu> why does the users command make it seem like theres three of me logged in?
[09:42] <calamari> crimsun: is this a bug or on purpose?
[09:42] <Distro^Junkie> is the latest kubuntu buggy or stable ?
[09:42] <Seveas> samu, you probably have 2 terminals open :)
[09:42] <crimsun> calamari: on purpose.
[09:42] <speel> on purpose to make us all mad
[09:42] <Seveas> Distro^Junkie, Kubuntu Hoary is rock solid
[09:42] <nox> samu, gnome runs on its own user
[09:42] <calamari> no wonder my menus are gone :(
[09:42] <speel> lol
[09:42] <Distro^Junkie> ok Seveas
[09:42] <Camo> anyone use the I386 liveCD yet? how fast does it start on somewhere around P3-P4 processor?
[09:42] <samu> oh, so its like i log in to the system another time for every terminal?
[09:43] <Seveas> Camo, a few minutes (much too long, it's being worked on)
[09:43] <Camo> k.. thx
[09:43] <speel> wow 1st time ive seen a real op in here
[09:43] <Camo> thats alot of people for just 1 person to be OP
[09:43] <Camo> make me op ^_^
[09:44] <linukso> Seveas: is it possible to remove lvm, raid and evm from boot?
[09:44] <linukso> or anyone else?
[09:44] <uber_newber> whtas the commands to get to the video resolution configuration
[09:44] <shinu> im back again 8)
[09:45] <shinu> how can i change my keyboard mapping from gb to us?
[09:45] <zAo^> uber_newber, sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:45] <uber_newber> zAo^: thank u
[09:45] <zAo^> uber_newber, edit the 'highest' reso at the default depth!
[09:45] <LasseL> uber_newber, try the System > Preferences menu first :)
[09:46] <Camo> <3 ubuntu
[09:46] <zAo^> agree ^^
[09:46] <uber_newber> Lassel: tried that already but thanx :)
[09:46] <jipitore> anybody was configured a tv card in ubuntu?
[09:46] <LasseL> jipitore, I am trying :)
[09:46] <jipitore> and?
[09:47] <john_> hi everybody
[09:47] <LasseL> jipitore, mine worked with xawtv out of the box
[09:47] <john_> hi dr nick
[09:47] <raDeon> what's the difference between JuK and amaroK
[09:47] <speel> Seveas, you should put ubuntuguide.org in the topic line
[09:47] <LasseL> jipitore, but getting mythtv up and running is arcane
[09:47] <jipitore> lasset, sorry for my englis, i'm spanish
[09:47] <Seveas> speel, nope
[09:47] <Seveas> ubuntuguide is a Bad Thing
[09:47] <jipitore> i show the video but the sound is imposible
[09:48] <linukso> wiki.ubunutu.org is goooood
[09:48] <linukso> :)
[09:48] <jipitore> i have a card with a conexant chip 878 and you?
[09:48] <Burgundavia> jipitore, #ubuntu-es might be able to help you
[09:48] <speel> the wiki is the sloppyest thing ive ever seen
[09:48] <Seveas> speel, then help fixing it...
[09:48] <linukso> speel: then get involved.
[09:48] <LasseL> jipitore, I think I have a brooktree 8x8 chip too
[09:48] <speel> no i hate all wikis
[09:48] <linukso> speel: whats wrong with it?
[09:49] <LasseL> jipitore, the bttv module should be loaded by default by the kernel
[09:49] <speel> ive never been a fan of the wiki i personally thinks its kinda sloppy
[09:49] <LasseL> jipitore, I don't know about sound. My tv card is in a server
[09:49] <shinu> hm...
[09:50] <linukso> speel: hmm, I think that is a rather odd point of view... :)
[09:50] <jipitore> i'm load the bttv module: modprobe bttv card=1 pll=1 tuner=1
[09:50] <raDeon> what's the difference between JuK and amaroK
[09:50] <thoreauputic> raDeon: amarok is better *grin*
[09:50] <jipitore> but the sound don't work
[09:50] <raDeon> how so?
[09:50] <speel> i suppose lol
[09:50] <john_> irc is just miltiplayer notpad
[09:50] <jipitore> i try with xawtv, tvtime, zapping
[09:51] <thoreauputic> raDeon: it was just a joke ;)
[09:51] <LasseL> Seveas, why is it that the topic doesn't mention the national ubuntu channels. Like "Try your #ubuntu-es, -de, -fr, -pt, -dk and so forth for ubuntu support in your own language"
[09:51] <jipitore> the msp3400 is the module sound?
[09:51] <Seveas> LasseL, the topic is not large enough for all of them :)
[09:51] <LasseL> Seveas, still you could shorten them like I did
[09:52] <BrianB04> Got kind of a stupid question: Is the kernel that installs by default in Ubuntu tweaked in any way, or is it a typical debian kernel image?
[09:52] <john_> wanna play pong?
[09:52] <john_> |.
[09:52] <john_> |   .
[09:52] <john_> |     .
[09:52] <john_> |            .
[09:52] <anacron> i installed nvidia drivers to my other computer, and now when it boot's up i can only get white screen and i can't do anything, it totaly hung's up there, i can't use even ctrl+alt+f1, so what should i do now?
[09:52] <john_> |
[09:52] <speel> lol
[09:52] <john_> :(
[09:52] <KamiVIP> hey
[09:52] <speel> woo some one is kick happy
[09:52] <rob_newbie> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[09:52] <rob_newbie> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[09:53] <thoreauputic> rob^: are you using sudo?
[09:53] <KamiVIP> ./charset windows-1250
[09:53] <rob_newbie> what do I do I tried "su" and changing to root
[09:53] <calamari> cool.. menu-editor shows all my old menu stuff
[09:53] <thoreauputic> rob_newbie: no, use sudo
[09:53] <anacron> rob_newbie: use sudo and then command
[09:53] <thoreauputic> !rootsudo
[09:53] <ubotu> from memory, rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:54] <thoreauputic> rob_newbie: it want your password, not a root password, BTW
[09:54] <thoreauputic> *wants
[09:54] <aceb747> hey, just installed ubuntu here
[09:54] <rob_newbie> Ohh Kaaa
[09:54] <zAo^> welcome aceb747 :D
[09:54] <rob_newbie> LOL
[09:55] <rob_newbie> Fun Fun
[09:55] <KamiVIP> am i got some big problems. When i try to install different applications like Quanta i get message that e.g Quanta depends on some others packages (about 8 other packages) but they cant be installed. If i try to install some of those packages which are listed above most of them will depend on some more packages and i will get same message when ill try to install it (xxx depends on xxx package but it cant be installed) any solutions? because i
[09:55] <KamiVIP> cant install most of the software
[09:55] <nox> aceb747, congradulations :P
[09:55] <aceb747> thanks nox
[09:55] <moike> hey
[09:55] <thoreauputic> KamiVIP: your sources are stuffed
[09:55] <moike> what is the ubuntu ppc channel?
[09:55] <KamiVIP> how can i rapir them?
[09:55] <KamiVIP> i tried with apt-get clean
[09:55] <rob_newbie> Thank You all
[09:56] <nox> aceb747, if you have problems, we are all here for you :) also www.ubuntuforums.org and www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:56] <KamiVIP> and then update again but i get same message
[09:56] <linukso> KamiVIP: are you using backport?
[09:56] <rob_newbie> LOL
[09:56] <thoreauputic> KamiVIP: you need to fix your /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:56] <KamiVIP> yes
[09:56] <thoreauputic> KamiVIP: apt-get clean does something else entirely
[09:56] <KamiVIP> i use backports
[09:56] <drkstar> hi, i just installed ubuntu. I think it is recognizing my wireless adapter because it's light is on/blinking and it's getting warm.. but is there an app to manage networks, so i can put in the ssid, channel, wep, ect?
[09:57] <linukso> KamiVIP: are you using the official backports, or from the "old" backports?
[09:57] <thoreauputic> KamiVIP: I suggest you comment backports out and do  sudo apt-get update
[09:57] <KamiVIP> thats my sources.list file
[09:57] <KamiVIP> /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:57] <KamiVIP> eh
[09:57] <KamiVIP> am
[09:57] <KamiVIP> i changed it like its written on ubuntuguide
[09:57] <KamiVIP> so thats is
[09:57] <KamiVIP> eb http://si.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[09:57] <KamiVIP> deb-src http://si.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[09:57] <KamiVIP> deb http://si.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[09:57] <KamiVIP> deb-src http://si.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[09:57] <KamiVIP> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[09:57] <KamiVIP> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[09:57] <linukso> not here..! arg, use #flood
[09:58] <thoreauputic> KamiVIP: don't paste in the channel, please!
[09:58] <KamiVIP> k sorry
[09:58] <mark2410> hello i was wondering if any could help
[09:58] <thoreauputic> !paste
[09:58] <ubotu> [paste]  please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[09:58] <Random_Sindrom> hi mark2410
[09:58] <mark2410> i cant get a useable display via the live cd ir full install
[09:58] <KamiVIP> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/905
[09:58] <rob_newbie> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[09:58] <KamiVIP> thats its
[09:58] <KamiVIP> my sources.list
[09:58] <rob_newbie> Any suggestions?
[09:59] <Seveas> rob_newbie, sudo aptitude install build-essential
[09:59] <linukso> rob_newbie: get build-essential
[09:59] <thoreauputic> rob_newbie: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[09:59] <Random_Sindrom> build-essential
[09:59] <thoreauputic> hheh
[09:59] <anacron> why i can't get help like that :<
[10:00] <eyequeue> okay, that was "fun"
[10:00] <eyequeue> someone just crashed a car into my house
[10:00] <Random_Sindrom> mark2410: what do you mean "live cd in full install"?
[10:00] <KamiVIP> lol
[10:00] <anacron> :DDD
[10:00] <mark2410> oops that should be or
[10:00] <ma3x> eyequeue, how come that happened?
[10:00] <ma3x> eyequeue, are you serious?
[10:00] <anacron> what did it feel like?
[10:00] <eyequeue> tally: car - not drivable buit repairable; house, structurally instact but needs some repairs; ost important: humans okay
[10:01] <mark2410> have tried all resolution options and get the same result each time
[10:01] <nox> eyequeue, what the FSCK?!
[10:01] <eyequeue> nox:  yeah really
[10:01] <nox> you live in a one story house?
[10:01] <eyequeue> two
[10:01] <KamiVIP> any ideas then? (http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/905 = sources.list)
[10:01] <anacron> mark2410: did you try doing it with sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or what?
[10:01] <raDeon> LMAO HE SAID FSCK
[10:02] <nox> raDeon, no swearing in the channel :P
[10:02] <linukso> KamiVIP: try this: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/906
[10:02] <mark2410> i did well not in root though
[10:02] <eyequeue> can't really attribute the cause to anything other than "elderly woman driving" i guess
[10:02] <eyequeue> she didn't ave a medical incident or anything that caused it, i checked
[10:02] <KamiVIP> thanks gonna try it
[10:02] <mark2410> it went throught the process fine but in the end x just refused to start
[10:02] <eyequeue> oh well, keeps the day interesting ;)
[10:03] <linukso> KamiVIP: ah, sorry one little error!
[10:03] <deprave> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[10:03] <KamiVIP> oh
[10:03] <thoreauputic> deprave: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[10:03] <KamiVIP> whats the error?
[10:03] <deprave> thanks brotherman
[10:03] <raven3x7> hey guys im trying to compile a pckage. but im getting an error in .configure . can anybody help out
[10:03] <linukso> just, updated. its http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/907
[10:03] <KamiVIP> thanks
[10:04] <linukso> KamiVIP: that should resolve some of you dep.errors...
[10:04] <KamiVIP> so i just replace mirros in sources.list and i do apt-get update ?
[10:04] <nox> KamiVIP, whats the problem?
[10:04] <linukso> yes
[10:04] <linukso> its the same, just changed the backport mirror to the official
[10:05] <KamiVIP> k
[10:05] <KamiVIP> am nox
[10:05] <KamiVIP> am i got some big problems. When i try to install different applications like Quanta i get message that e.g Quanta depends on some others packages (about 8 other packages) but they cant be installed. If i try to install some of those packages which are listed above most of them will depend on some more packages and i will get same message when ill try to install it (xxx depends on xxx package but it cant be installed) any solutions? because i
[10:05] <KamiVIP> cant install most of the software
[10:05] <raven3x7> configure: error: Library requirements (libgnomeui-2.0) not met; consider adjust but libgnomeui exist although it 2.10.0 in ubuntu
[10:06] <nox> KamiVIP, there are packages that can`t work with other packages installed
[10:06] <thoreauputic> MarkShuttleworth: nice nick ;) only he doesn't use that one ;-)
[10:06] <MarkShuttleworth> har har
[10:06] <fredforfaen> KamiVIP had the same trouble after i installed a bad pkg...i had to reinstall...but im a noob so dont listen to me
[10:06] <ubuntu_> jhdjhasd
[10:06] <ubuntu_> jkqejkqwermads
[10:06] <KamiVIP> well message says that application depends on some x libs which cant be installed
[10:06] <dArtagnan> some? always be exact :)
[10:06] <raven3x7> KamiVIP, are you using marillat or backports
[10:06] <nox> KamiVIP, use screem instead of quanta
[10:07] <nox> raven3x7, marillat is for debian
[10:07] <KamiVIP> my sources.list
[10:07] <KamiVIP> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/904
[10:07] <raven3x7> nox i know
[10:07] <imper> hej
[10:07] <KamiVIP> another guy said i should use this http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/907
[10:07] <linukso> imper: hey
[10:08] <raven3x7> anybody experienced with solving ./configure errors?
[10:08] <nickrud> KamiVIP, I like the new list :)
[10:08] <linukso> raven3x7: yes
[10:08] <cafuego> raven3x7: Such as? What are you compiling?
[10:08] <topyli> raven3x7: more than enough :)
[10:08] <BockBilbo> hey
[10:08] <linukso> autoconf is my middle name...
[10:08] <KamiVIP> it works with new sources.list
[10:08] <KamiVIP> thanks all:)
[10:08] <linukso> KamiVIP: np
[10:08] <drkstar> is there an app to manage wireless networks that comes with ubuntu?
[10:08] <raven3x7> cbrpager its for viewing cbr comic books
[10:09] <cafuego> drkstar: The network util in the gnome top panel, in theory.
[10:09] <linukso> just paste the error in pastebin, and we'll see if we can help you
[10:09] <drkstar> cafuego: thanks
[10:09] <raven3x7> KamiVIP, your troubles were probably caused by backports
[10:10] <KamiVIP> oh
[10:10] <KamiVIP> corrupted files there?
[10:10] <BockBilbo> i have a problem with the name of some files i have on my system. They are encoded in a wrong way and nautilus doesnt show up the correct characters for .... anyone knows if there is a tool for fixing all the name of the wrong files?
[10:10] <raven3x7> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/908
[10:11] <BockBilbo> (so i dont have to search for them and fix them manually)
[10:11] <cafuego> !find libgnomeui
[10:11] <MarkShuttleworth> seveas your fired
[10:11] <cafuego> raven3x7: libgnomeui-dev
[10:11] <linukso> raven3x7: sudo aptitude install libgnomeui-dev
[10:11] <raven3x7> KamiVIP, no some backports may screw up dependencies due to installing newer packages
[10:12] <raven3x7> stupid me
[10:13] <raven3x7> thanks btw
[10:13] <thoreauputic> Seveas: a little harsh for a harmless prank, surely ? ;)
[10:14] <deprave> *** exact error that occurred. This usually means GLIB is incorrectly installed.configure: error:
[10:14] <deprave> *** GLib 2.0 is required to build Gaim; please make sure you have the GLib
[10:14] <Raf99> hey everyone.  does FAQ cover installing nvidia linux drivers ? or can someone please help.
[10:14] <thoreauputic> !drivers
[10:14] <ubotu> drivers is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com//BinaryDriverHowto
[10:15] <ma3x> yo
[10:15] <ma3x> phukers
[10:15] <ma3x> how to install gstreamer
[10:15] <topyli> deprave: you need the development package. anyway, why are you building gaim when there are packages already?
[10:15] <raven3x7> ma3x, gstreamer is installed by default
[10:15] <deprave> topyli : it's gaim-VV
[10:15] <topyli> ah
[10:15] <Raf99> thanx ubotu.
[10:16] <linukso> ma3x: user synaptic from System->Admin menu
[10:16] <deprave> i installed build-essential
[10:16] <deprave> =-(
[10:16] <topyli> deprave: glib-dev or similar
[10:16] <ma3x> linukso, what's the package name dood?
[10:16] <linukso> deprave: you need lots of -dev-packages... just start searching
[10:17] <deprave> this is a lot of work to see irc girl boobies on gaim!
[10:17] <topyli> ma3x: how about you search for gstreamer0.8
[10:17] <thoreauputic> deprave: apt-get build-dep gaim might help
[10:17] <deprave> this is gaim-vv tho
[10:18] <deprave> because Razor-X went to go build me a plugin and he never did!
[10:18] <linukso> deprave: if you dump the entire output of ./configure in pastebin, it would help a lot.
[10:18] <topyli> deprave: might help still :)
[10:18] <cefx> Question.  Why can't Ubuntu find 90% of the packages that are mentioned in the Ubuntu Guide?
[10:18] <psychonate> what is gaim-VV?
[10:18] <thoreauputic> deprave: yeah - I just thought it might get some deps for you
[10:18] <Raf99> when installing linux driver (which is a simple sh "file"), its telling me to exit X-server.  Is this implying to exit the GUI and be at a root terminal ?
[10:18] <cafuego> cefx: Do you have universe and mltiverse anbled in sources.list?
[10:18] <PurpleMotion> psychonate:  it's a version of gaim that supports msn voice and video, and aims to support them for yahoo and aim as well
[10:18] <linukso> cefx: because ubuntuguide is not an official part of the ubuntu distro...
[10:18] <holycow> Raf99, yes, but ... what is the driver for?
[10:18] <holycow> nvidia drivers maybe?
[10:18] <thoreauputic> cefx: because you haven't configured your sources correctly
[10:18] <rob_lt> psychonate:  doesn't google work for you?
[10:18] <psychonate> PurpleMotion, sounds complicated heh
[10:18] <holycow> if its nvidia drivers, use the ubuntu packages, it will make your life a lot easier
[10:19] <topyli> cefx: because you haven't enabled all the repositories that the guide assumes. also, the guide might just as well be incorrect
[10:19] <cefx> cafuego, ah!\
[10:19] <raven3x7> cefx what packages you mean?
[10:19] <cafuego> !repos
[10:19] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[10:19] <psychonate> rob_lt, no, it doesn't, but I can still manage to find assholes heh
[10:19] <Raf99> holycow, just the linux driver from nvidia site for geforce2mx i got here.
[10:19] <PurpleMotion> psychonate:  yeah, but if they get it working, it will surplant everything as the best messenger program in existance :)
[10:19] <psychonate> funny how that works
[10:19] <sravi> Is it possible to gain a remote "tty" session, or only locally (not pts)?
[10:19] <rob_lt> psychonate:  heh
[10:19] <Razor-X> what are the processors that support mmx2?
[10:19] <Distro^Junkie> can i update to the new kubuntu version from the old cd ? or is it best to download the new one ?
[10:19] <raDeon> LMAO "TTY"
[10:19] <cefx> duh
[10:19] <raven3x7> cfx you may need to add srepositories to your souces.list
[10:19] <PurpleMotion> Razor-X:  everything from p-3 on
[10:19] <deprave> and i can see irc girl's boobies!
[10:19] <cefx> Sorry guys :) I seem to suffer from a kind of retardation :P
[10:19] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: how 'bout SSE ?
[10:19] <[set] > does anyone know how to run the setup files of a linux distro cd after booted from floppy and are in this position now boot
[10:19] <psychonate> PurpleMotion, I didn't even know they were using voice and video nowadays in messengers :(
[10:19] <[set] > the cd wouldn't boot, so i did the floppy boot and now i am at boot: i dont have linux installed on that harddrive, but i do have the cd with setup.. how do i proceed?
[10:19] <PurpleMotion> dunno, same i think
[10:19] <rob_lt> psychonate:  well, I guess I can excuse you if google is not working for you, otherwise I would think you were just lazy and wasting people's time
[10:20] <f_newton> ya know, the more I use ubuntu the more I like it...
[10:20] <PurpleMotion> psychonate:  for some time now
[10:20] <cafuego> Raf99: That driver is already in ubuntu, don't install nvidias .run file.
[10:20] <deprave> Razor-X : where is my plugins for gaim slacker?! =>
[10:20] <uber_newber> Razor-X: i typed in hotplug and nuthing happend
[10:20] <raven3x7> Raf99, why dont u use the ubuntu driver?
[10:20] <Razor-X> raDeon: the abbreviation ``tty'' has been there almost as girls have
[10:20] <Razor-X> deprave: meh
[10:20] <Razor-X> uber_newber: try and mount it after that
[10:20] <Raf99> ok.  thanx for clearing the confusion cafuego.
[10:20] <psychonate> rob_lt, I'm just lazy and wasting people's time. I hope that makes you feel better.
[10:20] <uber_newber> Razor-X: how do i do that
[10:20] <PurpleMotion> that just confused me more... why would you not use the official nvidia driver?
[10:21] <f_newton> well it makes ME feel better
[10:21] <catolh> is it possible to get the CVS version of aMSN to dock in systray?
[10:21] <sravi> So is it possible to start a TTY session onther than CTRL-ALT-F1/2/3.. ?
[10:21] <vpalle> Hello there, how do I make my PATH setting available for alle gnome apps ??
[10:21] <Razor-X> uber_newber: try ''sudo mkdir /mnt/sda1 & sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1''
[10:21] <uber_newber> k
[10:21] <bartekp> hi
[10:21] <Raf99> PurpleMotion, guessin just like windows, the default driver that comes with ubuntu will do the trick.
[10:21] <Razor-X> sravi: those are the historic shortcuts, you can probably configure X to do something about that
[10:21] <psychonate> I don't see what's wrong with asking a simple question like "What is <program>?" If I wanted an in-depth answer and a place to download from, then I would google it.
[10:21] <cafuego> PurpleMotion: Beacuse it's unpackaged; you can't manage what it does via the package tools. Also, precompiled is far easier.
[10:22] <cafuego> PurpleMotion: It's not as if Ubuntu uses an _older_ driver or anything.
[10:22] <PurpleMotion> Raf99:  there's a big difference between 'will do the trick' and 'is optimized and will run wondefully'
[10:22] <PurpleMotion> cafuego:  ah
[10:22] <sravi> Razor-X, what I am asking is if it is safe to say that if the session is "tty", as opposed to "pts", that it can be considered secure and did not come in over the network
[10:22] <deprave> liglib 2.0 is installed =-/
[10:22] <Raf99> PurpleMotion - yes.
[10:23] <rob_lt> psychonate:  what's "wrong" with that is that it floods this channel with useless chatter that could otherwise be solved with a 3 second google, and other people's legitimate questions might be missed.
[10:23] <deprave> PurpleMotion : operation gaim-vv failure
[10:23] <drkstar> hi, i can't get my wireless internet working. It recognizes the adapter, it's listed in the device manager, the adapter is also working because its on and the light is solid, indicating it's connected to something. The problem is it isn't getting internet access, and it is connected to a network.but not my own because i have wep on and don't know where to put in my password or network info. Under networks it's connected to someone elses 
[10:23] <PurpleMotion> deprave:  eh
[10:23] <cafuego> PurpleMotion: The "unoptimised" ubuntu one is compiled for stability by people with over a decade of experience. Your self-compiled one isn't ;-)
[10:23] <vpalle> how does one change gnomes $PATH ?
[10:23] <Raf99> cafuego - if I did want to install a updated driver though, how would I exit X server todo this installation properly? ( will I ever need to ? )
[10:23] <calamari> note on smeg.. it requires python-xdg >= 0.14, but the latest version is 0.9-1, so it won't install
[10:23] <PurpleMotion> cafuego:  i have an ati card, and i use the r128 driver, so NEENER NEENER
[10:23] <Amaranth> calamari: use the install script
[10:24] <psychonate> rob_lt, well, from scrolling up, I can see that you were extremely busy helping people in the last few minutes, so I apologize if I distracted you from further helping people. In fact, I think you have caused more spam in the channel from complaining and making me retort than I did when I asked one simple question.
[10:24] <cafuego> Raf99: When nvidia release a new one, it will e added to Ubuntu a short while later. No need for manual intervention.
[10:24] <uber_newber> can sum1 help my install my toshiba usb fdd kit on my toshiba tecra 8000 processor 2 laptop
[10:24] <Amaranth> calamari: If you install it any other way I don't support it.
[10:24] <sravi> So a "tty" session can be considered secure?
[10:24] <cafuego> PurpleMotion: My mighty radeon 9200 trumps you!
[10:24] <PurpleMotion> I'm just saying there's nothing wrong with installing your own if you want to :D
[10:24] <Raf99> thanx for your help cafuego :)
[10:24] <PurpleMotion> cafuego:  yeah i have a really shitty 16mb ati rage pro 128 ultra
[10:24] <cafuego> PurpleMotion: Yeah, the G3 has one of those too.
[10:25] <PurpleMotion> cafuego:  i *had* a 9500 pro 128m w/9700 pro bios
[10:25] <sravi> sravi, :-(
[10:25] <raven3x7> cafuego i dont think nvidia driversget updated
[10:25] <cafuego> raven3x7: They do :-)
[10:25] <cefx> cafuego, no! My mighty 9600 trumps you!
[10:25] <cefx> :P
[10:25] <cefx> non pro, even!
[10:26] <cefx> lol
[10:26] <PurpleMotion> my 9700 decimated all
[10:26] <raven3x7> 7174 is still the one in the repos unless apt detects my card and doesnt show me the newer ones
[10:26] <f_newton> oy  the vidcard wars are gonna replace the distro wars eh?
[10:26] <cefx> I hope Cedega works.
[10:26] <Amaranth> cefx: A 9250 would be better than a 9500 :P
[10:26] <cafuego> Your canadian trash is no match for my toys
[10:26] <PurpleMotion> it did YEEExHAWxUNF
[10:26] <cefx> 9600
[10:26] <calamari> Amaranth: ahh, didn't see the script.. I was trying the .deb.. thanks
[10:26] <cefx> :P
[10:26] <thoreauputic> f_newton: nothing will ever replace the editor wars, though ;-)
[10:26] <fredforfaen> damn i like ubuntu , must be one of the best distros out there......im impressed
[10:26] <f_newton> cafuego, canadian trash?
[10:26] <aceb747> i am not able to do an apt-get for gstreaner0.8-lame and i updated the repositores.... is there something I am missing?
[10:26] <Amaranth> cefx: no, 9250 is the best ATI available
[10:26] <cafuego> f_newton: ati
[10:27] <PurpleMotion> im gonna go play with my childrens now
[10:27] <f_newton> you are so right thoreauputic
[10:27] <PurpleMotion> bye
[10:27] <yuval> Hi, I'm getting multiple 'dhclient3' process when connecting and disconnecting the network cable, which leads to lost dns server entries.. Has anyone experienced anything similar?
[10:27] <WebMaven> Hi folks. I think I set up my mouse wrong when I installed the system. How do I go back and do that portion of the setup again?
[10:27] <raven3x7> my might TNT1 card... oh well...
[10:27] <cafuego> fredforfaen: Yeah, too bad about its users, though.
[10:27] <f_newton> cafuego, ya know... well no.. I am gonna refrain ...
[10:27] <cefx> Amaranth, heh
[10:27] <Amaranth> cefx: the 9250 is the latest card with open source 3d drivers
[10:27] <fredforfaen> cafuego what about them?
[10:27] <f_newton> I have a 9250
[10:27] <cafuego> fredforfaen: Well, just _look_ at f_newton ;-)
[10:27] <f_newton> in my home box
[10:28] <Amaranth> cefx: although they are working on r300
[10:28] <fredforfaen> hehe i get your point
[10:28] <Razor-X> mplayer is compiling
[10:28] <uber_newber> can sum1 help my install my toshiba usb fdd kit on my toshiba tecra 8000 processor 2 laptop
[10:28] <Amaranth> cefx: which iirc would be up to 9800
[10:28] <f_newton> so cafuego what third world country are you insulting people from?
[10:28] <deprave> HELP ME! ----> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/909
[10:28] <cafuego> ouch! rsync cron bring pain! must! not! lag!
[10:28] <yuval> and the network-admin just drives me crazy.. :(
[10:29] <cafuego> f_newton: Uh, cookies?
[10:29] <deprave> i want cookies please
[10:29] <cefx> Amaranth, nice!
[10:29] <cefx> Amaranth, my kernel is 2.6.10-5-386...is there one that I ought to upgrade to?
[10:29] <MANOWAR^> ok I am attempting to use an Active Directory for my authentication
[10:29] <deprave> Amaranth your nickname looks incredibly familiar
[10:30] <MANOWAR^> i have kerberos setup and it works fromt he command line
[10:30] <Amaranth> cefx: yeah, so far it only kinda works, can potentially break your card, and is agp only
[10:30] <cafuego> deprave: You're missing a few -dev packages
[10:30] <Amaranth> deprave: i'm on gimpnet
[10:30] <MANOWAR^> while logged in as root i can call upon an AD user and get it to authenticate
[10:30] <cefx> heh
[10:30] <Firetech> aren't there deb's for OO.o 2 beta somewhere (real deb's, not the alien rpm to deb script from Evolutioncolt)
[10:30] <MANOWAR^> but now I am tryaing to configure PAM so I can login with that AD user from the command line
[10:30] <deprave> cafuego : what do you suggest i do
[10:30] <cafuego> deprave: Like libglib-*dev
[10:30] <rob_lt> uber_newber:  what isn't working.  What does dmesg say when you plug it in?  Is the module being loaded?  Please provide more info.
[10:30] <cefx> Amaranth, what are the drivers for linux like that ATI makes?
[10:30] <f_newton> I dont think my video card is set up to read "millions of colors"  is there a setting I can check for that?
[10:30] <MANOWAR^> http://pastebin.com/327811 <-- this is what my system-auth looks like
[10:30] <Raf99> ahh ctrl+alt+backspace got me to the terminal.  forgt about that
[10:30] <flodine> anyone can help with openbox
[10:30] <Amaranth> cefx: I dunno, they don't support my card.
[10:30] <cafuego> deprave: apt-cache search silc | grep -- -dev
[10:30] <cefx> pewp
[10:31] <cefx> they have one for the radeon family
[10:31] <cafuego> deprave: and same for libglib
[10:31] <cefx> http://www.freewebs.com/wickkidda/38116174_l.jpg
[10:31] <deprave> ok im installing -dev 2.0 now
[10:31] <deprave> via synaptic
[10:31] <Amaranth> cefx: not for the 7000
[10:31] <WebMaven> Can anyone help with my mouse setup? I need to do it again without reinstalling the whole machine.
[10:31] <cefx> ah
[10:31] <cafuego> WebMaven: The mosue steup in X?
[10:31] <cefx> Amaranth my heart goes out to you!
[10:31] <cefx> :P
[10:31] <WebMaven> cafuego: yes.
[10:31] <cafuego> WebMaven: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:32] <uber_newber> rob_lt: i dunno whats not workin and what is, i just wanna install it. and how do i find it in dmesg
[10:32] <Amaranth> cefx: I accept donations of hardware and cash for hardware. ;)
[10:32] <cefx> haha well I have an old 7500
[10:32] <f_newton> Amaranth, where are you?
[10:32] <cefx> if I get a new card, I'll send you my 9600 :)
[10:32] <Amaranth> f_newton: iowa
[10:32] <f_newton> I am getting rid of a lot of old hardware... I may have some you can have
[10:32] <cefx> private ryan!
[10:32] <topyli> Amaranth: you should be able to bum your way to an old matrox pretty easily
[10:33] <rob_lt> uber_newber:  well, dmesg is a command that you can run that shows kernel messages.  When you plug in the usb device, and then type dmesg in a terminal, it should show that you machine recognizes the device.
[10:33] <f_newton> would ya like a couple of pro servers maybe?
[10:33] <topyli> Amaranth: they're the best cards :)
[10:33] <Amaranth> f_newton: I accept all free things. :)
[10:33] <WebMaven> cafuego: I trhink I chose the wrong mouse during setup.
[10:33] <Amaranth> topyli: for 2D, sure
[10:33] <cefx> Hey!
[10:33] <f_newton> well I will see how much it costs to ship these heavy puppies...
[10:33] <cefx> I accept freebies too
[10:33] <kleggas> Im trying to share my internet to my laptop using 2 network cards in my server....eth0 connects to the net, and eth1 is supposed to share it....eth1 has ip 192.168.0.1, submask 255.255.255.0, gateway is the IP of eth0, and then I use on my laptop an IP 192.168.0.34 and submask 255.255.255.0 and gateway is 192.168.0.1 wich is the ip of servers eth1.....I can ssh to the server, ping it, but I can't get out on the net from the laptop...anyone h
[10:33] <cefx> I need a new old linux box
[10:33] <topyli> Amaranth: oh yeah, there's this 3d thing too, i've heard of it ;)
[10:33] <uber_newber> rob_ly: k i plugged it in and did dmesg and got a bunch of stuff. how do i find it in dmesg
[10:33] <cefx> kleggas, do you have a crossover cable to connect directly to the laptop?
[10:33] <RQ> hey] 
[10:34] <RQ> X still broken, eh? ;D
[10:34] <LeeColleton> cefx: I need an old new linux box, maybe we can trade
[10:34] <kleggas> cefx: no, I use switch
[10:34] <cafuego> WebMaven: The command I gave you should bring up the entire configuration dialog again.
[10:34] <f_newton> we just had a church group from iowa visit us Monday
[10:34] <_icebreaker_> is there a tutorial to use 2 monitors on a dualheaded nvidia card?
[10:34] <cafuego> f_newton: Free food, nice.
[10:34] <Locutus266> Hello folks, I just installed ubuntu, but I can't seem to login as root. Is there some kind of default password for root account?
[10:34] <kleggas> Locutus266: there is no, use sudo
[10:34] <thoreauputic> !root
[10:34] <cafuego> Locutus266: No, the root account is disabled by default.
[10:34] <ubotu> I heard root is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:35] <Locutus266> Thanks
[10:35] <kleggas> Locutus266: or you could type "sudo su" then enter your default acount passwd, and you are root...then change root passwd, but why? just use sudo
[10:35] <rob_lt> uber_newber:  also, I think that is a scsi device, so doing an "lsmod" should show the proper scsi modules being loaded.  You could try mounting the device.  It should show up as /dev/sda or something like that.
[10:35] <f_newton> yes cafuego we handed out enough free food to feed nearly 500 people
[10:36] <deprave> *** GTK+ 2.0 is required to build Gaim; please make sure you have the GTK+
[10:36] <deprave> jebus!
[10:36] <crimsun> deprave: apt-get build-dep gaim
[10:36] <deprave> demanding software
[10:36] <cafuego> f_newton: Deary me, how fat were they?
[10:36] <Locutus266> Is there a way to reactivate the root account? I feel godlike today
[10:36] <kleggas> cefx: why did you ask about the crossover cable? does it make any difference if I use that instead of the switch? I mean, does it need to be setup different in the network settings?
[10:37] <f_newton> cafuego I run a street feeding homeless ministry ...these people are starving
[10:37] <kleggas> Locutus266: yes, allready told u
[10:37] <topyli> Locutus266: open a root terminal from the menu
[10:37] <sklp> Lucutus266: why would u want to activate root?
[10:37] <WebMaven> cafuego: can I do that from a terminal window, or should I do it from a tty session?
[10:37] <Locutus266> I don't know. I love being root.
[10:37] <sklp> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[10:37] <Locutus266> That's not for discussion, either :)
[10:38] <anacron> Locutus266: sudo -i does same thing
[10:38] <sklp> well just type "sudo -s" type in your password and u are essentially root
[10:38] <Locutus266> Well, maybe I should read the man page
[10:38] <Locutus266> thanks anyway
[10:38] <levander> Email I'm sending to my root user is going to my isp's root user.  Anybody know why this is?
[10:38] <kleggas> Locutus266: "sudo su" enter your passwd, now you are root....type "passwd" and enter a root passwd
[10:38] <anacron> sudo -s is bad (c) seveas
[10:39] <Seveas> sudo -i is better
[10:39] <f_newton> waht is the -i flag?
[10:39] <Seveas> -s but with reset $HOME and $USER
[10:39] <Seveas> and you really want that...
[10:39] <thoreauputic> levander: you have entered your ISP's domain as your own? Dunno...
[10:39] <sklp> Seveas: not in all cases :D
[10:39] <aceb747> does anyone know why w32codec is not included in the deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted repository?
[10:40] <Seveas> sklp, name one...
[10:40] <thoreauputic> aceb747: could be because it's w32codecs (plural)
[10:40] <levander> thoreauputic: entered that where?
[10:40] <drkstar> does ubuntu install python-gnome2-extras, python-gtk, and python-gnome2 on install?
[10:40] <psychonate> aceb747, you can get them easily from mplayer's site. Need a link?
[10:40] <aceb747> Seveas, that didnt do it
[10:40] <Seveas> drkstar, apt-cache sepends ubuntu-desktop will tell you :)
[10:41] <drkstar> Seveas: ok, thank you
[10:41] <thoreauputic> levander: I mean did you use your ISP's domain when you installed, so that root became root@your.ISP.com ? Just guessing really
[10:41] <Seveas> aceb747, w32codecs
[10:41] <psychonate> aceb747, I think there is only a dummy package for w32codecs. You have to actually install the real codecs yourself.
[10:41] <Seveas> with an s at the end
[10:41] <psychonate> Seveas, isn't it only a dummy package?
[10:42] <Seveas> psychonate, w32codecs?
[10:42] <psychonate> yeah
[10:42] <Seveas> nope
[10:42] <f_newton> the win 32 codecs is a 12 meg tarball
[10:42] <aceb747> psychomate, the instructions online are saying to use apt-get
[10:42] <drkstar> if my wireless adapter is recognized, how can i connect to my network? is there an app?
[10:42] <aceb747> can someone with this codec send me there sources.list?
[10:42] <psychonate> ah, I guess it's not
[10:42] <levander> thoreauputic: do I have to create an email box for the root user?  Email sent to my local user name, I receive okay.
[10:43] <vpalle> anybody how how I can change gnome's $PATH ?
[10:43] <vpalle> know
[10:43] <thoreauputic> levander: it should have been created for you
[10:43] <linukso> levander: email to root will be sent to you admin user.
[10:43] <deprave> what command do i use to check how much data is in a directory in gb
[10:43] <thoreauputic> levander: I seem to recall you can configure postfix to send all root's mail to your box
[10:44] <nickrud> levander, is mail to yourself (no domain) being sent through the isp?
[10:44] <linukso> levander: check out /etc/aliases
[10:44] <yuval> deprave: du -sh <dirname>
[10:44] <vpalle> deprave, du -h
[10:44] <topyli> aceb747: mine: http://siltala.net/comp/sources.list -- i got the codecs from the marillat repository. don't use his binaries otherwise
[10:45] <deprave> thanks
[10:45] <thoreauputic> vpalle: I think maybe you are asking the wrong question: if you mean "Where is the global system PATH set I seem to recall it is in /etc/bash.bashrc
[10:45] <aceb747> topyli, this is the dvd::rip repository... right?
[10:46] <topyli> aceb747: i guess he has it too. his binaries just might not work on ubuntu
[10:46] <lamont> thoreauputic: it autoconfigs to send root email to uid 1000's name
[10:46] <vpalle> thoreauputic, thx.. and gnome respects that? it doesnt reset it..
[10:46] <lamont> at install, that is
[10:46] <topyli> aceb747: i'd use the sources from his repository and build packages locally, except for stuff like codecs
[10:46] <Locutus266> Does anybody know why the totem player won't work? It wouldn't even start. It just says "resource in use or unavailable"
[10:47] <thoreauputic> vpalle: not as far as I know - it works here
[10:47] <thoreauputic> lamont: right - root's mail goes to the first user (the one who has sudo rights)
[10:47] <aceb747> topyli, it looks like this repository is going to help my setup with alot more than just the codecs.... thank you
[10:47] <lamont> thoreauputic: and it's just an entry in /etc/aliases
[10:47] <vpalle> thoreauputic, thx
[10:48] <topyli> aceb747: as long as you're lucky and the packages work. fiddling with sarge and etch sources might work some of the time
[10:48] <topyli> aceb747: source packages of course work almost always
[10:49] <nickrud> I've had that problem :) thoreauputic's idea of the isp's domain as the mail domain was my problem.
[10:49] <aceb747> topyli, if this dont work then i will prob go to the source
[10:49] <vpalle> thoreauputic, its /etc/profile though ;)
[10:50] <sexcopter8000m> can anyone suggest a programme for stringing together some jpegs into a video clip?
[10:50] <topyli> aceb747: just enable christian's deb-src line and build with apt. it's easiest
[10:50] <_icebreaker_> how can i use 2 displays under ubuntu?
[10:50] <aceb747> topyli, ok.... i thought it was the mallirats
[10:51] <python_> sexcopter: I think Gimp can do that for you
[10:51] <topyli> aceb747: yes, christian marillat :)
[10:51] <aceb747> topyli, i see there the same :)
[10:51] <topyli> yep
[10:51] <f_newton> gimp makes animations from stills but I dont think its a video editor
[10:53] <python_> depends what we define what a video is though
[10:53] <f_newton> I am not sure if there is a tool in linux to do that readily available
[10:53] <python_> a video in truth is many moving images
[10:53] <python_> what output do you need for this video
[10:53] <f_newton> python_, I dont think he is worried about the philosophy of video
[10:54] <f_newton> I think he wants to join clips together to make a flowing video
[10:54] <levander> linukso: actually, /etc/aliases has root aliased to my local user name
[10:54] <python_> sexcopter: what file ouput wld u like from your images
[10:54] <DrFalken> hi people!
[10:54] <raDeon> hi!
[10:54] <Bubbling_Zombie> hello
[10:55] <raDeon> what's up my friend from argentina
[10:55] <f_newton> some say mythtv will do that sexcopter8000m but I dont know myself
[10:56] <DrFalken> i've recently installed the artwiz-fonts from deb, but they doesn't appear in some gnome font lists, but they appear in xfontsel
[10:56] <DrFalken> and... i want to use them in fluxbox
[10:58] <linukso> levander: wasn't that what you wanted?
[10:58] <python_> sexcopter: have a look at an app could kino
[10:58] <aceb747> topyli, it is not letting me do an update because I dont have a debian PUBKEY
[10:59] <DrFalken> any suggestion to that???
[10:59] <topyli> aceb747: the update still works. if it bothers you, you can get his key from the site
[11:00] <Razor-X> linukso: hah!
[11:00] <xav> gentoo > debian > ubuntu > fedora > mandriva > arch
[11:00] <black13> where would i find the source packages for unbuntu
[11:00] <Razor-X> I had to use Open Office for a Spreadsheet, it's faster than Word, but I have now seen just how slow WYSIWYG office stuf is ;)
[11:00] <levander> linukso: i was saying it works for my regular user, but not for the root user
[11:00] <Razor-X> black13: ary source package would work
[11:00] <equex> could some one point me in the right direction with kubuntu (tried the chan) ? i lost my keyboard layouts and i am not able to add new layouts (only english available) and it seems KDE doesnt recognize my keyboard either (thogh i configured it as pc104 in x)
[11:00] <Razor-X> there's no ``Ubuntu specific'' thing when you compile it
[11:01] <black13> ary?
[11:01] <black13> or any
[11:01] <linukso> levander: any reason you want to send mail as root?
[11:01] <Razor-X> equex: hmmm
[11:01] <sexcopter8000m> hi, sorry, went afk a mo
[11:02] <DrFalken> raDeon: the things someone knows watching the hostnames, no?
[11:02] <Razor-X> equex: i'm googling for you
[11:02] <equex> i was running ATI's config to set up X though
[11:02] <sexcopter8000m> yeah, well i took some pictures using an intervalometer, and i want to string them into a video
[11:02] <python_> sexcopter: Use kino i think the package will be ideal for what you need
[11:02] <sexcopter8000m> like they do in the nature programmes
[11:02] <sexcopter8000m> ok cool, is it fairly self explanatory?
[11:02] <Razor-X> equex: try ``loadkeys name-of-layout'' where name-of-layout is the name of your keyboard layout
[11:02] <equex> damn
[11:02] <python_> Go to the website sexcopter type kino in google
[11:03] <sexcopter8000m> kk
[11:03] <sexcopter8000m> thanks
[11:03] <linukso> Razor-X: the only "office suite" that works is vim in latex mode and octave for calcs :D
[11:03] <python_> sexcopter: http://kino.schirmacher.de/
[11:03] <Razor-X> linukso: I use emacs in LaTeX mode, with emacs-maxima for calculation ;)
[11:03] <raDeon> DrFalken, you got a problem with that?
[11:03] <Razor-X> (not too different, meh)
[11:03] <Razor-X> still, LaTeX spreadsheets.... uggh ;)
[11:04] <equex> trying that razor
[11:04] <DrFalken> raDeon: none... :D, it's nice know ppl who care those lil' details
[11:04] <linukso> Razor-X: heh, cant argue with that :D
[11:04] <Belutz> can i have different wallpaper for each desktop?
[11:04] <linukso> Belutz: you can, at least with fluxbox, but its slooooooooooooooooow
[11:04] <Razor-X> linukso: I was trying a LaTeX spreadsheet earlier today
[11:04] <Razor-X> tabularx was _ok_, but, I just gave up on it ;)
[11:04] <Razor-X> there are some things LaTeX just can't do very well
[11:04] <raDeon> DrFalken, :)
[11:05] <Belutz> linukso: can't do it with gnome?
[11:05] <Razor-X> is there some sort of spreadsheet generating language?
[11:05] <linukso> Razor-X: only made small tables...
[11:05] <linukso> Belutz: nope, dont think so.
[11:05] <topyli> Belutz: not with metacity
[11:05] <Razor-X> linukso: 44 vocab words and their definitions ;)
[11:05] <Razor-X> s/44/42/
[11:05] <Belutz> linukso: ic..
[11:05] <Belutz> too bad
[11:05] <topyli> Belutz: with enlightenment you can, and perhaps other window managers that work with gnome
[11:06] <Razor-X> for a small table, LaTeX is very nice (like a table showing commands and what they do), but a full-blown spreadsheet is real hard
[11:06] <DrFalken> Belutz: if u have lots of RAM... GO ON!!!
[11:06] <Razor-X> is there like, a LaTeX equivalent of a spreadshet generating program, anyone?
[11:06] <wajokki> Why mp3 files doesent work in ubuntu
[11:06] <linukso> Razor-X: I can imagine...
[11:06] <f_newton> python_, actually gimp would do what sexcopter8000m was wanting
[11:06] <Belutz> topyli: i was once install enlightenment... how do i activate it?
[11:06] <DrFalken> 'cause storing multiple wallpapers eats memory... :)
[11:07] <Razor-X> linukso: can you google for me? (because MPlayer is compiling)
[11:07] <topyli> Belutz: killall metacity && enlightenment &
[11:07] <linukso> Razor-X: shure!
[11:07] <Belutz> DrFalken: ic...
[11:07] <Razor-X> thanks!
[11:07] <wajokki> Why mp3 files doesent work in ubuntu
[11:07] <topyli> Belutz: if you like it, save the session when you log out
[11:07] <Belutz> topyli: ic... thx :)
[11:07] <Razor-X> I downloaded all the codecs for MPlayer, so it'l take a while ;)
[11:07] <python_> f_newton it probably could, but i feel kino will be more geared to what he wants with added capabilities such as transitions, etc
[11:07] <Raskall> wajokki: bacause you havent read www.ubuntulinux.org. :)
[11:07] <pinky2000> I've switched to XFCE for my window manager, anyone know how I can 'auto-launch' apps when XFCE starts? For example I'd like to start xfce-calander and vino-server when I log in.
[11:08] <Razor-X> woohoo!
[11:08] <f_newton> I misunderstood his need
[11:08] <Razor-X> pwnage, it finished
[11:08] <Razor-X> 573.7 seconds
[11:08] <python_> However i must point out to photoshop users (which i once was), i use GIMP all the time and its a great piece of software
[11:08] <thoreauputic> !mp3
[11:08] <ubotu> hmm... mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[11:08] <Razor-X> that's 9.562 seconds??? ;)
[11:08] <Razor-X> weird, I thought it was more
[11:08] <f_newton> yes it is linux's answer to photoshop
[11:08] <Razor-X> s/seconds/minutes/
[11:09] <Locutus266> Somehow my /dev/dsp Device is always in use. No application can play sounds, although those gnome system sounds work
[11:09] <Razor-X> woohoo!
[11:09] <Razor-X> time to try out MPlayer
[11:09] <python_> f_newton i laways use it at work instead of Photoshop, it takes photoshop 2 hours too load
[11:09] <linukso> Razor-X: http://latexss.sourceforge.net/
[11:09] <Razor-X> linukso: sounds good from the URL ;)
[11:10] <f_newton> yer being funny, but photoshop is a very good program
[11:10] <linukso> doesn't look that bad either....
[11:10] <python_> f_newton it is but i refuse to use proprietry software at home
[11:10] <jowi> Locutus266, i had the same problem, especiall with Skype. Solution; turn off sound server at startup (gnome sound settings) + change sound output sink to ALSA
[11:10] <f_newton> python_, adobe is the ultimate in propriety software too
[11:10] <Locutus266> Thanks, I'll try that
[11:10] <python_> And i dont really see much that photoshop can do that GIMP cant do
[11:11] <f_newton> I agree with that
[11:11] <jowi> Locutus266, oh and 'killall esd'
[11:11] <Locutus266> what's esd? sound daemon?
[11:11] <Locutus266> esound
[11:11] <jowi> Locutus266, yeah
[11:11] <Locutus266> Is there some kind of runlevel editor (like in suse linux?)
[11:11] <f_newton> gotta reboot
[11:11] <python_> If people didnt crack software, then people would have to use open source, i use free software, open source for ethical reasons
[11:11] <jowi> Locutus266, it was driving me nuts until i figured it out
[11:11] <thoreauputic> Locutus266: esd is the scourge of ubuntu sound configuration ;)
[11:12] <levander> linukso: I don't want to send mail as root.  I want to send mail to root.  I've got a cron job set up to backup my system. This script has to be run as root.  I don't want the email going to the root user, I never check that email.  And, I certainly don't want that email going to my ISP, as root's email is now.
[11:12] <Locutus266> Well, let's see
[11:12] <Locutus266> Wow, it actually works! Thanks
[11:12] <python_> Imagine, first you buy win xp, then macromedia suite, then photoshop, illustartor, .net, you upto 4000 already
[11:12] <levander> linukso: But, apparently, mailing to 'root@localhost' works fine, it's just mailing to 'root' that's not working.
[11:12] <CircleofChaos> What does this mean: "The channel demigods have stolen your voice"?
[11:12] <thoreauputic> !bum
[11:12] <ubotu> I don't know, thoreauputic
[11:12] <thoreauputic> hmm
[11:12] <jowi> Locutus266, you are welcome
[11:12] <axylfyre> hey all
[11:13] <Belutz> is 800mb too much for /swap ?
[11:13] <axylfyre> can I get some help installing ubuntu on windows xp? please
[11:13] <thoreauputic> CircleofChaos: probably that some channel has you +q - are you registered?
[11:13] <levander> Belutz: it's not out of the ballpark
[11:14] <nox> axylfyre, you can`t "install ubuntu on windows xp"
[11:14] <CircleofChaos> What is +q?
[11:14] <python_> People it is wrong to create class's out of software, and keep secrets, if we want a better computing world with better interoperabilty then we must go this way
[11:14] <axylfyre> ok
[11:14] <CircleofChaos> How do I register?
[11:14] <axylfyre> what can you install to do a dual boot?
[11:14] <thoreauputic> CircleofChaos: +q is a mode that silences a user
[11:14] <CircleofChaos> I thought all you needed was a nickname.
[11:14] <thoreauputic> CircleofChaos:  /msg nickserv help
[11:14] <nox> axylfyre, install ubuntu, and it should automaticly add your windows xp installtion to the grub.
[11:14] <Belutz> levander: ic, because i see my system only use a little space of swap memory
[11:14] <python_> axylfire: just get rid of xp
[11:15] <axylfyre> oh forget it
[11:15] <deprave> im deleting stuff with a file manager, is it all going to a trash bin of some sort?
[11:15] <Belutz> axylfyre: use vmware ?
[11:15] <thoreauputic> CircleofChaos:  and /msg nickserv register <nick> <password> IIRC
[11:15] <shammy> wooo got xserver working finally
[11:15] <nox> Belutz,  vmware costs money, installing ubuntu is free.
[11:16] <Belutz> thoreauputic: what's IIRC stands for?
[11:16] <python_> axylefare: You could use Virtual PC too
[11:16] <levander> Belutz: yeah, people put even more than that in swap, dunno why, I put like 500MB because it was recommended somewhere.  But, if you're every using more than say 100MB, you're system is going to be unbearable slow
[11:16] <Locutus266> XMMS works fine now, but Totem Player still won't start (resource busy or not available)
[11:16] <shammy> if i recal correctly, Belutz
[11:16] <Belutz> nox: i know... just proposing a solution to him
[11:16] <thoreauputic> Belutz: If I Remember Correctly  ;)
[11:16] <python_> we should let windows users rot in there own problems
[11:16] <Burgundavia> Locutus266, change to totem-xine
[11:16] <mcphail> Any idea why I can't connect to my Apache server from the outside world?
[11:16] <Belutz> i thought IIRC is an IRC client LOL
[11:16] <CircleofChaos> Thoreauputic, how I can I tell the channel to let me speak again?
[11:17] <python_> mcphail: there could be 101 reasons to tht
[11:17] <linukso> mcphail: you need a real ip address
[11:17] <hybrid_> Belutz:  heh
[11:17] <mcphail> python_: I think I've tries the 1st 100
[11:17] <shammy> could someone help me get my wireless internet up and running? I looked under device manager and the netgear adapter is listed, so it's recognizing it.. what else do I need to do?
[11:17] <CircleofChaos> The channel is #perl.
[11:17] <thoreauputic> CircleofChaos: depends - if you are registered normally you can speak in any channel
[11:17] <CircleofChaos> I cannot talk in #perl. :(
[11:17] <python_> mcphail: Good im glad your trying
[11:17] <Locutus266> totem-xine is not available through synaptic is it?
[11:17] <thoreauputic> CircleofChaos: I don't know what #perl's policy is
[11:18] <python_> mcphail: Perhaps a forum would be better for that question
[11:18] <vader1102> shammy: do you have internet connection?
[11:18] <CircleofChaos> What is your policy?
[11:18] <shammy> vader1102: available? or on ubuntu
[11:18] <CircleofChaos> How do I become an operator in #perl?
[11:18] <equex> Razor-X: i loaded up my keymap but there is no changes anywhere.. i think i need to make it recognize the keyboard *model* first.
[11:18] <vader1102> on ubuntu
[11:18] <Belutz> hmmm someone just want to try ubuntu, and maybe he do not know about the live cd and wants to try it, it's better to propose a solution, he might be migrate to ubuntu if he likes it :D
[11:18] <wajokki> why mp3 files doeset work
[11:18] <shammy> vader1102: No I don't
[11:18] <thoreauputic> CircleofChaos: in #ubuntu anyone can speak - within reason :)
[11:18] <Belutz> that's what i thiught
[11:18] <wajokki> need some plugin or something
[11:18] <Razor-X> gah!
[11:18] <Belutz> *thought
[11:19] <mcphail> python_: maybe. Just wondered if ubuntu had any quirks that i might be missing
[11:19] <Subliminal> when i start gaim it tells me my version is out of date, but apt tells me my packages are all up to date, how can i upgrade gaim?
[11:19] <CircleofChaos> What do you mean?
[11:19] <Razor-X> my MPlayer's audio and video are out of sync
[11:19] <python_> totem-xine is accessable through apt-get
[11:19] <python_> i just tried it
[11:19] <CircleofChaos> By "within reason"?
[11:19] <vader1102> shammy: try iwlist scan and tell me if it sees the router
[11:19] <python_> you must have your repositories enabled
[11:19] <nox> wajokki, because mp3 is a registered patent, and in some countries such as USA it is illegal to use it
[11:19] <thoreauputic> CircleofChaos: within the Code of Conduct for Ubuntu
[11:19] <Belutz> Razor-X: i uninstalled my MPlayer hehehe, now i just use totem and vlc
[11:19] <jowi> Razor-X, you should be able to adjust the sync with z+x buttons if i remember it correctly (i do not use mplayer myself)
[11:19] <thoreauputic> !conduct
[11:19] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, conduct is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/document_view
[11:19] <CircleofChaos> Isn't this a free country. Freedom of Speech?
[11:20] <Razor-X> Belutz: I use VLC
[11:20] <wajokki> what files work?
[11:20] <Razor-X> but, VLC can't playe H.264
[11:20] <wajokki> in mandrake mp3 files work
[11:20] <Belutz> Razor-X: ic
[11:20] <thoreauputic> CircleofChaos: which country? THis is international
[11:20] <nox> VLC is another xine based.
[11:20] <python_> Locutus266: Do you need a hand installing totem-xine?
[11:20] <Razor-X> nox: VLC is not xine based
[11:20] <shammy> vader1102: it says none of my devices support scanning
[11:20] <nox> wajokki, just install xmms-mp3: "sudo apt-get install xmms-mp3"
[11:20] <python_> VLC rocks
[11:21] <Distro^Junkie> Amarok rocks
[11:21] <vader1102> ok, then you will need to google ubuntu and your wireless card
[11:21] <nox> Razor-X, are you sure VLC is not xine based? i heard different from someone
[11:21] <shammy> vader1102: even though it is recognized as the right adapter in device manager, that doesn't mean it is set up for internet access though does it?
[11:21] <linukso> shammy: you should take a look in the ubuntu wiki.
[11:21] <Razor-X> nox: 100% sure
[11:22] <vader1102> no
[11:22] <Razor-X> VLC has it's own engine and plugins ground up
[11:22] <wajokki> E: Pakettia xmms-mp3 ei lytynyt
[11:22] <linukso> shammy: there is lots of info on supported hardware
[11:22] <python_> VLC is not Xine based
[11:22] <CircleofChaos> Oh, okay. Thank you! How do I tell #perl to let me in again?
[11:22] <vader1102> one sec
[11:22] <nox> Razor-X, ok :) thank you for the information
[11:22] <wajokki> package xmms-mp3 doesent found
[11:22] <vader1102> shammy: what card is it?
[11:22] <Razor-X> no prob
[11:22] <python_> VLC in my opnion is one of the best media players out there
[11:22] <Razor-X> same here
[11:22] <Locutus266> @python_ I never used apt-get before
[11:22] <thoreauputic> CircleofChaos: you might want to ask in #freenode, or /msg a freenode staff member
[11:23] <nox> wajokki, sorry, the package is mp3-mad
[11:23] <python_> ill help u Locotus266
[11:23] <nox> wajokki, sorry, the package is xmms-mad =\
[11:23] <shammy> linukso: netgear wg111, it's a usb adapter
[11:23] <python_> can i pm u
[11:23] <shammy> err
[11:23] <nox> wajokki, sudo apt-get install mp3-mad
[11:23] <Belutz> time to hit the bed...
[11:23] <nox> wajokki, oops: sudo apt-get install xmms-mad
[11:23] <shammy> vader1102: netgear wg111 it;s a usb adapter
[11:23] <wajokki> okk :D
[11:23] <Locutus266> "totem-xine has no installation candidate "
[11:23] <nox> wajokki, xmms-mad - mp3 input plugin for xmms based on libmad
[11:23] <shammy> sorry about that linukso, didn;t mean to addres you :)
[11:23] <jowi> !resporitories
[11:24] <ubotu> jowi: I don't know
[11:24] <linukso> shammy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[11:24] <jowi> !repository
[11:24] <ubotu> jowi: Bugger all, i dunno
[11:24] <thoreauputic> Locutus266: totem-xine is in universe
[11:24] <vader1102> shammy:http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-25387.html
[11:24] <Belutz> !repo
[11:24] <ubotu> Belutz: Are you smoking crack?
[11:25] <thoreauputic> !repositories
[11:25] <ubotu> well, repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto, or repos
[11:25] <Kev0r> grr how do i get stuff in Ubuntu to mount automatically!?
[11:25] <Subliminal> one of my terminals seems to have gone hyroglyphic after i ctrl^c lynx, how do i get english back?
[11:25] <jowi> thomerz_, finally: thank you!
[11:25] <Kev0r> i'm not using gnome
[11:25] <aceb747> i still cant get w32codecs working....
[11:25] <jowi> spelling is a pain sometimes
[11:25] <thoreauputic> Subliminal: try typing  reset  blindly
[11:25] <CircleofChaos> Thoreauputic, the same thing is happening in #freenode.
[11:26] <topyli> aceb747: you got the package to install ok?
[11:26] <Subliminal> thoreauputic: didnt work :-/
[11:26] <CircleofChaos> What do I do now?
[11:26] <Subliminal> thoreauputic: even the prompt is hyroglyphic
[11:26] <topyli> aceb747: which player are you using?
[11:27] <CircleofChaos> :(
[11:27] <aceb747> topyli, i am not using a player yet... it is saying i dont have it in the repository.... but even the ubuntu wiki says that it is there
[11:27] <shammy> vader1102: so I need ndiswrapper? does it come with ubuntu or can I get it via synaptic?
[11:27] <Jemt> aceb747: Have you added Universe and Multiverse ?
[11:28] <vader1102> you may have to download it from the net and compile it
[11:28] <_icebreaker_> how can i enable twinview with the nv driver?
[11:28] <aceb747> jewt, yes i have hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[11:29] <ChynphaT> big newb right here, just installed kubuntu and id like if someone can help me figure out how to install stuff and how to navigate with the terminal, or just refer me to some good help pages, help would be greatly appreciated
[11:29] <dave> helo
[11:29] <mcphail> Subliminal: try typing stty sane [ctrl-J] 
[11:29] <dave> hello
[11:29] <dave> new to linux just trying
[11:29] <CircleofChaos> ChynphaT,  have you asked that question in #KUBUNTU?
[11:29] <topyli> aceb747: enable the marillat unstable repository temporarily and install w32codecs. then disable the repo again
[11:29] <ChynphaT> oh, no, thanks ill go do that
[11:30] <Subliminal> mcphail: it printed pictures at me
[11:30] <thoreauputic> CircleofChaos: are you sure the ops in #perl didn't silence you? maybe /msg a #perl op or something
[11:30] <Subliminal> mcphail: ahh, it told me [ctrl-j]  was an invalid argument :-/
[11:31] <mcphail> Subliminal: try 'return' instead
[11:31] <Razor-X> is my system really too slow for H.264 ?
[11:31] <thoreauputic> CircleofChaos: I take it you have now registered?
[11:31] <Gorth> !!
[11:31] <ubotu> I heard ! is what u add before a sentence to talk to me
[11:31] <aceb747> topyli, it is saying there is no installation canidate
[11:31] <CircleofChaos> I did, but then I dropped the nickname.
[11:31] <CircleofChaos> It was useless to talk in #perl when no one listened.
[11:31] <Gorth> when i try to access my shared folder over a network, it asks for a user, so i made a user "guest"
[11:32] <Subliminal> mcphail: as in press enter?
[11:32] <Gorth> and set a folder to 777
[11:32] <Gorth> and it says unknown username!
[11:32] <topyli> aceb747: are sure you ran "apt-get update"?
[11:32] <thoreauputic> CircleofChaos: well, this isn't magic -if you change your nick you are no longer recognised
[11:32] <CircleofChaos> Gorth, are you using Samba?
[11:32] <Gorth> yeah
[11:32] <aceb747> topli, yes
[11:32] <Gorth> circleofchaos: yeah
[11:32] <mcphail> Subliminal:  yes. Sometimes when the terminal screws up enter doesn't work and you have to type ctrl-J instead
[11:32] <Subliminal> mcphail: aah
[11:32] <aceb747> topyli, i even added the malliat pubkey
[11:32] <dbernar1> Can anyone spare some change?
[11:32] <CircleofChaos> Gorth, did you create a user for yourself?
[11:33] <CircleofChaos> "smbpasswd"
[11:33] <Subliminal> mcphail: it seems to work, but in a rather odd language
[11:33] <Gorth> hm?
[11:33] <mcphail> Subliminal: ??
[11:33] <jowi> dbernar1, what currency?
[11:33] <topyli> aceb747: and "apt-get install w32codecs" doesn't work?
[11:33] <CircleofChaos> When run by root:
[11:33] <CircleofChaos>     smbpasswd [options]  [username] 
[11:33] <CircleofChaos> otherwise:
[11:33] <CircleofChaos>     smbpasswd [options] 
[11:33] <CircleofChaos> options:
[11:33] <CircleofChaos>   -L                   local mode (must be first option)
[11:33] <CircleofChaos>   -h                   print this usage message
[11:33] <CircleofChaos>   -s                   use stdin for password prompt
[11:33] <CircleofChaos>   -c smb.conf file     Use the given path to the smb.conf file
[11:33] <CircleofChaos>   -D LEVEL             debug level
[11:33] <CircleofChaos>   -r MACHINE           remote machine
[11:33] <CircleofChaos>   -U USER              remote username
[11:33] <topyli> aceb747: maybe his repositories are just b0rken right now
[11:33] <CircleofChaos> extra options when run by root or in local mode:
[11:33] <Subliminal> mcphail: like mangled, but when i copied and pasted in here it was in english
[11:33] <CircleofChaos>   -a                   add user
[11:33] <CircleofChaos>   -d                   disable user
[11:33] <CircleofChaos>   -e                   enable user
[11:33] <topyli> CircleofChaos: please dude
[11:34] <CircleofChaos>   -i                   interdomain trust account
[11:34] <CircleofChaos>   -m                   machine trust account
[11:34] <CircleofChaos>   -n                   set no password
[11:34] <thoreauputic> !lart CircleofChaos
[11:34] <CircleofChaos>   -w PASSWORD          ldap admin password
[11:34] <CircleofChaos>   -x                   delete user
[11:34] <CircleofChaos>   -R ORDER             name resolve order
[11:34] <LinuxJones> CircleofChaos, omg dude don't paste here
[11:34] <CircleofChaos> Oops, sorry.
[11:34] <CircleofChaos> Gorth, that was for you.
[11:34] <CircleofChaos> Sorry everyone. :(
[11:34] <Gorth> haha
[11:34] <Gorth> sorry about that
[11:34] <synd> !paste
[11:34] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, paste is please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[11:34] <Gorth> thanks circle
[11:34] <aceb747> topyli, right.... it is saying no installation canidate.... possibly could be broken
[11:34] <dbernar1> jowi: well,  I am hungry. But that is unrelated. Anyhow, I like how there is this Unix lab here at my university, and Sun machines, with gnome on them, pretty nice.
[11:34] <mcphail> Subliminal: sometimes stty sane or reset work. Sometimes they don't. The key is not to ctrl-c less in the 1st place...
[11:34] <thoreauputic> CircleofChaos: if you did *that* in #perl, you would never be allowed back, I would say
[11:34] <CircleofChaos> No.
[11:35] <aceb747> topyli, what is the best way to add the debian pubkey.... cause that one might have it
[11:35] <topyli> aceb747: debian doesn't have the codecs for sure
[11:35] <dbernar1> CircleofChaos: so you can use that instead of interrupting everyones conversation
[11:35] <thoreauputic> CircleofChaos: in many channels that would have been an automatic kick
[11:35] <Subliminal> when i start gaim it tells me my version is out of date, but apt tells me my packages are all up to date, how can i upgrade gaim?
[11:35] <aceb747> topyli, it is also wierd that there not in the ubuntu repo when they say it is in the wiki
[11:35] <dbernar1> CircleofChaos: ya, so be careful, and dont paste like that.
[11:35] <CircleofChaos> Thoreauputic, why?
[11:36] <topyli> aceb747: just get the package from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/pool/main/w/w32codecs/ :)
[11:36] <Seveas> CircleofChaos, NEVER do that again
[11:36] <dbernar1> cause you interrupt everyone's conversation
[11:36] <CircleofChaos> Thank you for giving me a second chance.
[11:36] <CircleofChaos> :)
[11:36] <thoreauputic> CircleofChaos: you just spammed the channel with a huge paste
[11:36] <dbernar1> anyhow, on to more exciting topics
[11:37] <dbernar1> hahaha, ubotu urinates on circle of chaos??
[11:37] <dbernar1> weird.
[11:37] <dbernar1> who made a lart entry?
[11:37] <aceb747> topyli, that makes sense.... will be easier this way
[11:37] <topyli> dbernar1: even bots have feelings :)
[11:37] <topyli> aceb747: yeah, then just install it with dpkg -i
[11:37] <dbernar1> radeon is back?
[11:38] <f_newton> the more I use ubuntu the happier I am about it...
[11:38] <f_newton> lol
[11:38] <aceb747> is there any things i should be aware of with the amd64 that i would not know if i was running i386
[11:38] <Kev0r> how do i start something when booting Ubuntu?
[11:38] <f_newton> although I really dont like the name
[11:38] <CircleofChaos> What does the term "trolling" mean?
[11:38] <dbernar1> CircleofChaos: go check wikipedia, it has a cool entry, if I remember correctly.
[11:38] <Seveas> CircleofChaos, it means being obnoxious
[11:38] <f_newton> CircleofChaos, people who come in a room baiting others pretending to be unknowing
[11:38] <f_newton> trolling so to speak for a response
[11:38] <dbernar1> both are approximations of what I think trolling is.
[11:39] <hybrid_> anyone know if the D-link DWL-122 works under Ubuntu?
[11:39] <dbernar1> hybrid_: looked at the wiki?
[11:39] <Kev0r> Seveas: How can i start (let's say) gnome-volume-manager when i boot my pc?
[11:39] <LinuxJones> Kev0r, do you mean a service ?
[11:39] <hybrid_> dbernar1:  nope whats the link?
[11:39] <topyli> aceb747: please don't say you're running amd64 :)
[11:39] <aceb747> hybrid. is that a router?
[11:39] <vader1102> hybrid: I am using the dwl-g650 and working great here
[11:39] <Kev0r> LinuxJones: see my question
[11:39] <aceb747> topyli, yes i am
[11:39] <dbernar1> wiki.ubuntu.com there is a search, and also it is under hardware support
[11:39] <jowi> hybrid_, i heard that it use the prism2 driver and should be ok.
[11:39] <Kev0r> the automatic mounting was so easy, just had to apt-get gnome-volume-manager
[11:39] <Kev0r> ^:|
[11:40] <jowi> hybrid_, but i'm not 100%
[11:40] <hybrid_> jowi:  dbernar1 : thank yall
[11:40] <topyli> aceb747: grr. those repositories are not going to work. i should have asked in the first place i guess :(
[11:40] <dbernar1> ya, also, look for a wifi entry, and the ndiswrapper page has a list of working cards.
[11:40] <LinuxJones> Kev0r, go System >> Preferences >> Sessions >> Startup Programs tab
[11:41] <dbernar1> LinuxJones: isnt that only gonna start it when he starts gnome??
[11:41] <Kev0r> that's just for a session, it just needs to boot every time
[11:41] <dbernar1> cause I am fairly sure it is.
[11:41] <Kev0r> yes idd, with a gnome session dbernar1
[11:41] <MartenH> ok, I tried this yesterday but got occupied so I'm giving it a new shot today... I am trying to set up my webcam but it won't work. Another cam works fine right away.
[11:41] <tium> hi all,
[11:41] <stevenj> can't believe Google is down
[11:41] <Kev0r> i need it to start when Ubu-y boots
[11:41] <thoreauputic> CircleofChaos: don't take anything too much to heart - IRC is a strange subculture with it's own netiquette and rules :)
[11:41] <LinuxJones> dbernar1, you can't start gnome-volume-manager in a bash terminal
[11:41] <gardiner> I am come here for windows and I would like to see how I eject CD with button if possible ?
[11:41] <tium> Is X really still broken in breezy ?
[11:41] <aceb747> topyli, is that why i am not able to find the stuff?
[11:42] <hybrid_> stevenj:  works for me
[11:42] <LinuxJones> dbernar1, but I could be wrong
[11:42] <Kev0r> why not LinuxJones
[11:42] <dbernar1> LinuxJones: go ahead a nd try, I am suure you can
[11:42] <MartenH> Right now I think  Ineed to update some drivers and replace the old ones, can someone help me? I have the tar file but need to compile which I'm new to
[11:42] <vader1102> me 2
[11:42] <Kev0r> i can just run it from an xterm
[11:42] <dbernar1> stevenj: it works here.
[11:42] <topyli> aceb747: yes. w32codecs are called "32" for a reason :\
[11:42] <stevenj> hybrid, interesting....everything works but google.com--then again I am using comcast
[11:42] <dbernar1> other pages load for you?
[11:42] <LinuxJones> dbernar1, well I jsut assumed that's what he wanted to do using Gnome
[11:42] <dbernar1> haha, stevenj...
[11:43] <Kev0r> no LinuxJones
[11:43] <aceb747> topyli, should i revert to a i386 installation?
[11:43] <stevenj> dbernar1, I guess comcast is banned from Google now....banned from everything else
[11:43] <dbernar1> LinuxJones: cool...
[11:43] <dbernar1> stevenj: just a sec.
[11:43] <topyli> aceb747: marillat has a amd64 repository, scroll down at ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html . but there's no w32codecs package
[11:43] <dbernar1> dont leave.
[11:43] <hybrid_goth> stevenj:  i hate comcast (techtv) the google ig and firefox search works for me
[11:43] <ixion> hi, whats the kerberos package called please? something to do with the number 5? :)
[11:43] <dbernar1> I may be able to fix this for you.
[11:43] <dbernar1> can yo uping google?
[11:43] <LinuxJones> Kev0r, you want to say run a script or something when your pc boots in general ?
[11:43] <stevenj> I'll try
[11:43] <hybrid_goth> yea
[11:44] <slashdevnull> Hi, all.
[11:44] <Kev0r> yes! exactly
[11:44] <dbernar1> ixion: did you hear of synaptic's search capabilities?
[11:44] <topyli> aceb747: some people run amd64 and run a selection of multimedia 32 bit apps in a chroot jail. i don't know offhand how it's done
[11:44] <hybrid_goth> lol
[11:44] <ixion> yes, its showing up kerberos 4 stuff, there was a specific package for kerberos 5 support and its not showing up
[11:44] <linukso> topyli: that might be because there are very few codecs for 64 bit windows :)
[11:44] <dbernar1> hm...whats the 4 package called?
[11:45] <topyli> linukso: i would imagine so ;)
[11:45] <stevenj> I am unable to ping www.google.com
[11:45] <LinuxJones> Kev0r, you can create a custom script and place it in /etc/init.d, make the script executable, then update-rc.d scriptname defaults and it will run when you boot your computer.
[11:45] <ixion> well there are lots of kerberos packages, mentioning the number 4
[11:45] <HakonBH> hello
[11:45] <dbernar1> stevenj: what is the error? timeouts?
[11:45] <thoreauputic> ixion: apt-cache search krb5
[11:46] <dbernar1> ixion: I cant find 5 neither.
[11:46] <HakonBH> join #ubuntubr
[11:46] <jowi> stevenj, try 216.239.59.99 (since you might have a DNS problem)
[11:46] <hybrid_goth> stevenj:  thats weird!
[11:46] <dbernar1> thoreauputic: ya that works.
[11:46] <stevenj> dbernar1, using ping in network tools...no errors...but a time out it looks like
[11:46] <Kev0r> do i have to type update-rc.d scriptname defaults litterally?
[11:47] <topyli> aceb747: http://snipurl.com/gocm describes building a 32bit chroot on ubuntu, and installing 32bit apps
[11:47] <dbernar1> stevenj: please use the terminal:) open a terminal, and type in ping www.google.com and hit enter.
[11:47] <dbernar1> name of the script/.....
[11:47] <topyli> aceb747: otherwise, you might want to run the 32 bit ubuntu
[11:47] <LinuxJones> Kev0r, yes sudo update-rc.d scriptname defaults (it will run the script for  runlevels 2-5)
[11:47] <ixion> thoreauputic, dbernar1 - thanks looking
[11:47] <stevenj> dbernar1, this is all I see -- PING www.l.google.com (72.14.207.104) 56(84) bytes of data.
[11:47] <ixion> krb5 is right :)
[11:47] <MartenH> Seveas, doing some chan cleanup? :)
[11:48] <Kev0r> ok thanks
[11:48] <dbernar1> ok, that means timeouts.
[11:48] <stevenj> thanks
[11:48] <dbernar1> hit ctrl+c to end application
[11:48] <Seveas> MartenH, yup
[11:48] <thoreauputic> Kev0r: where <scriptname> is the name of your script
[11:48] <Seveas> shall I clean you out the channel? :)
[11:48] <wajokki> xmms doesent work fine when i try play some file it freezing and it must kill
[11:48] <MartenH> "To get things running, load the kernel module "ovcamchip" at startup. " how do I do this?
[11:48] <stevenj> yes 100% packet loss ;)
[11:48] <rikva> Hi all, my new notebook is arriving this week and I want to install Debian OR (k)Ubuntu on it. I'll only use Ubuntu if I can use the Debian (testing/unstable) repositories. Is that possible?
[11:48] <Seveas> MartenH, sudo modprobe ovcamchip
[11:48] <dbernar1> wajokki: only some files, or all files?
[11:48] <thoreauputic> wajokki: in Options Preferences, set the output plugin to esound
[11:49] <Seveas> rikva, to a certain extent, but all in there is also in the UBuntu repositories
[11:49] <wajokki> all
[11:49] <stevenj> strange thing is I can get to www.gnome-look.org
[11:49] <thoreauputic> wajokki: see above
[11:49] <MartenH> Seveas, ty
[11:49] <rikva> Seveas: Personally I find the standard ubuntu repositories a bit small - for example, it has no airsnort afaik
[11:49] <Seveas> rikva, it has
[11:49] <dbernar1> stevenj: did you contact Comcast at all about this?
[11:49] <Seveas> rikva, you just need to enable universe
[11:49] <Seveas> !info airsnort
[11:49] <ubotu> airsnort: (WLAN sniffer), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 0.2.6-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 49 kB, Installed size: 180 kB
[11:50] <rikva> ah! :)
[11:50] <dbernar1> !info cokesnort-lol
[11:50] <Seveas> rikva, in fact: ubuntu has more than debian since it pulls from other repos too
[11:50] <ixion> basically, the reason I am asking these krb5 questions is, hi, I have installed a samba server and used winbind to integrate with AD users, this works fine for people on domain member computers using windows. When I use linux to try and connect to the samba share I cant authenticate, any ideas what syntax I am supposed to use for the username? eg user@domain.com etc
[11:50] <rikva> !info universe
[11:50] <Seveas> ixion, try \\domain\user
[11:50] <stevenj> dbernar1, no I just got in from work and went to ubunu.com and then gnome-look and so I though google was down haha
[11:50] <MartenH> Seveas, will that add it to startup or just launch it for now?
[11:50] <dbernar1> rikva: ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components
[11:50] <Seveas> MartenH, just for now
[11:51] <dbernar1> stevenj: want me to ask them if there is an outage like that?
[11:51] <MartenH> Seveas, How do I set it up for startup?
[11:51] <Seveas> to add to startup: echo ovcamchip | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[11:51] <MartenH> Seveas, ty
[11:51] <rikva> Seveas: I use debian on my workstation, it can also use different repositories... I want to give kubuntu a try because i want up2date packages
[11:51] <stevenj> dbernar1, sure thanks
[11:51] <thoreauputic> rikva:  !info  only searches for packages as far as I know
[11:51] <dbernar1> stevenj: anyhow, known at this time...since there obviously is...
[11:51] <rikva> dbernar1: thanks
[11:51] <ixion> I've installed krb5, and winbind - does anyone know where I confgure winbind to join a domain and edit the krb5 options?
[11:51] <dbernar1> just a sec
[11:51] <Seveas> rikva, then give it a try :)
[11:51] <Phuzion> Hey, how do I update Mozilla without re-installing?
[11:51] <Phuzion> Firefox*
[11:51] <stevenj> dbernar1, how can you get that information...just curious
[11:51] <jowi> ixion, with mount -t smbfs or what?
[11:52] <dbernar1> hehe...
[11:52] <thoreauputic> Phuzion: sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[11:52] <jowi> ixion, sorry, did not see the krb5 thing
[11:52] <ixion> jowi, I need to use active directory authentication, so before I can mount using samba I need to be able to authenticate
[11:52] <ixion> k :)
[11:52] <aceb747> topyli, do you think it is worth it to have the amd64 version?
[11:52] <rikva> ok Seveas thanks for the help, i'm heading to my bed
[11:52] <Seveas> 'night
[11:52] <jowi> ixion, yeah i realised that. i am not good enough on ad
[11:53] <cefx> Hi!
[11:53] <cefx> Amaranth, the 2.6.10-5-386 kernel isn't a security risk is it?
[11:53] <cefx> There's a kiddie crew that regularly tries to root me.
[11:53] <topyli> aceb747: i have no idea. you do have a 64 bit machine so you might want to run it. but some apps (multimedia, games) will require extra work
[11:54] <cefx> aceb747, I run regular i386 on my amd64
[11:54] <cefx> It's good.  Although the amd64 install is way faster :)
[11:54] <Amaranth> cefx: i dunno, just use whatever the latest version is
[11:54] <cefx> heh ok
[11:55] <cefx> How do I do that in Ubuntu?
[11:55] <cefx> (  ) Linux Ubuntu 5.04 - hoary : 2.6.10-5-386, GNU/Linux | Xorg: 6.8.2 | : X-Chat v.2.4.3
[11:55] <topyli> aceb747: right now, the thing you need most is a working sources.list instead of mine :)
[11:55] <aceb747> cefx, what is your experience of running the amd64 version.  is ia64 any better?
[11:55] <dbernar1> stevenj: they dont know about an outage.
[11:55] <cefx> aceb747, a little faster but it's not 100% just yet :)
[11:55] <HakonBH> algum do brasil?
[11:55] <cefx> Are you going to do a lot of multimedia?
[11:55] <cefx> use i386 if so
[11:55] <cefx> it's less heartache
[11:55] <aceb747> i think i will go with i386 then
[11:56] <aceb747> it is still a new install and easy to change it now rather than later
[11:56] <dbernar1> I suggest that you contact Comcast through Live chat, or 1-888-COMCAST. They will be able to assist you with this, either by getting Google working, or by making an investiugation ticket.
[11:56] <topyli> cefx: you have the latest kernel
[11:56] <cefx> topyli: thanks :)
[11:57] <cefx> Is it revision 5 or something?
[11:57] <stevenj> dbernar1, strange....I get to most things I think....I have'nt changed anything...firestarter is running in the bg with icmp filtering on
[11:57] <cefx> 2.6.10 is way better than 2.6.12.3
[11:57] <topyli> aceb747: true, once you customize it furtner you won't want to reinstall
[11:57] <dbernar1> stevenj: hey, I know what you should do.
[11:57] <HakonBH> what about 2.6.11?
[11:57] <dbernar1> do tracert www.google.com in a temrinal
[11:57] <topyli> HakonBH: it's b0rken
[11:57] <stevenj> dbernar1, whats that?
[11:57] <HakonBH> fock
[11:57] <cefx> HakonBH, most 2.6.* is in active development and all sorts of fucked up.
[11:57] <dbernar1> traces wehhre the issue begins.
[11:57] <cefx> oops
[11:57] <cefx> no cursing :P
[11:58] <nox> dbernar1, tracert is for windows, traceroute is for linux :)
[11:58] <HakonBH> it's compiling right now
[11:58] <HakonBH> 2.6.11
[11:58] <HakonBH> damn
[11:58] <dbernar1> nox: hah, sorry, thanks.
[11:58] <ChrischiO`GER> Sooooo...
[11:58] <Amaranth> The 2.6.11 package in hoary universe should _NOT_ be used.
[11:58] <HakonBH> oook
[11:58] <HakonBH> i'll stop
[11:58] <Amaranth> It isn't 2.6.11, it's a snapshot from some time after 2.6.10
[11:59] <topyli> HakonBH: your kernel might still work. the ubuntu package is broken
[11:59] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: can you think of any good reasons for it to still be there? (2.6.11)
[11:59] <Amaranth> yeah, the official kernel.org 2.6.11 should be good
[11:59] <HakonBH> ok, tomorrow i'm going to try a new compilation with 2.6.10
[11:59] <aceb747> lol, u know i reinstalled the ubuntu earlier cause i could not type my root in... LOL... thought it was kind of funny looking back at it
[11:59] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: it's useful if you know what you're doing and you have hardware that only it supports
[12:00] <dbernar1> stevenj: /join #flood and then type this as your message to the channel: /exec -o traceroute www.google.com