[12:16] <Aapzak> I dislike the java crap which is not rendered by konqueror. I can't empty my hattrick team ;0
[12:16] <Aapzak> :)
[12:16] <Aapzak> damn laptop keyboard
[12:17] <Aapzak> now I have to boot up that meganice and megabig firefix
[12:17] <Aapzak> damn laptop keyboard
[12:17] <Aapzak> firefox
[12:18] <Aapzak> you too?
[12:18] <lscd> hmm?
[12:18] <lscd> it just made another coaster (burning a kubuntu cd)
[12:18] <Aapzak> I have to burn everything on 4x or else ...
[12:19] <lscd> hehe
[12:19] <Aapzak> its more that my xbox totally screws up
[12:19] <lscd> mine refuses to acknowledge that the cheaper blank dvds from around here are actually dvds
[12:19] <Aapzak> pfff, that sucks, what does you burner think it is then?
[12:19] <lscd> and it's been coastering about every odd thing lately, and one of my dvds had some interesting data corruption issues
[12:20] <lscd> it just tells me that the opc fails
[12:20] <Aapzak> I baked a CRC fest the other day, very weird
[12:21] <Aapzak> I burned a full speed copy of an fat32 dir. The guy using windows who the disk was for could not read it at all, crc errors all over the disk
[12:21] <lscd> ick
[12:21] <lscd> i like my old cdburner better, but it's in my sister's room
[12:21] <Aapzak> and?
[12:22] <lscd> hm? it's half past midnight
[12:22] <Aapzak> thats on the other side of the castle? ah, right
[12:22] <lscd> everyone would get pissed at me if i went over, booted her computer, and used it
[12:22] <Aapzak> lol
[12:22] <Aapzak> CET for you then ..
[12:22] <lscd> ayeup, switzerland
[12:23] <Aapzak> lovely
[12:23] <lscd> could be worse
[12:23] <lscd> and you?
[12:23] <Aapzak> yeah, specially during winter :)
[12:23] <Aapzak> Holland
[12:23] <Aapzak> I love to board, so the snow would be more than welcome
[12:24] <lscd> snowboard?
[12:24] <Aapzak> we have no hills either, so we need to get to the alps anyway
[12:24] <Aapzak> yeah
[12:24] <lscd> hehe
[12:24] <lscd> i shattered an elbow at that :p
[12:24] <Aapzak> and since it's on;y a 10 hour drive, it's not that bad
[12:24] <Aapzak> yeah, you can fall pretty hard
[12:24] <lscd> yeah
[12:25] <lscd> i broke it in 4 places and needed tons of metal for a year
[12:25] <Aapzak> pfff, thats terrible
[12:25] <lscd> yeah, i was on a school trip; another guy brokes his even worse
[12:25] <Aapzak> damn
[12:26] <lscd> mine's pretty much ok though, just a bit weaker, and i can forget about doing pushups/chinups
[12:26] <Aapzak> if you break your elbow, do you break your underarm, or upperarm?
[12:26] <lscd> hm? it was the actual elbow, and i shattered it, not my upper or lower arm
[12:26] <Aapzak> I broke my ancle once, 3 places, but thats really the bottom of your chin?? (underleg)
[12:27] <lscd> no, that's not your heel
[12:27] <Aapzak> nope
[12:27] <Aapzak> legg
[12:27] <lscd> yeah
[12:27] <Aapzak> I'd hate to hurt my arms :)
[12:27] <lscd> i was thinking that heel might've been what you meant by 'bottom of your chin', since well, your actual chin isn't around there ;)
[12:27] <lscd> eh, it's a pain - i've broken both of my wrists too
[12:28] <niktaris> I was wondering if there are some instructions on how to build (not remaster) a live cd using d-i and casper
[12:28] <Aapzak> boarding too?
[12:28] <lscd> but never a finger, so i've always been able to type, so not that big a deal ;)
[12:28] <Aapzak> :)
[12:28] <lscd> no, one at school with the equipment on the playground, and one roller blading
[12:28] <Aapzak> you break a lot
[12:28] <lscd> eh, those're my only breaks
[12:29] <Aapzak> me too, I break easyly
[12:29] <lscd> but yeah - i prefer computers to, say, sports for a reason ;)
[12:29] <lscd> i don't get worse than sore wrists here
[12:29] <lscd> ok, and back and eyes ;)
[12:29] <Aapzak> lol, my butt hurts, my back, arms. All that from NOT using the computer for a week, after I got back everything felt like RSI :)
[12:30] <lscd> lol, what were you doing for the week?
[12:30] <Aapzak> walking around, playing with my kids, swimming
[12:30] <Aapzak> basicly being a kewl dad
[12:30] <Aapzak> :)
[12:30] <lscd> ahhh
[12:31] <Aapzak> prolly
[12:31] <Aapzak> 32
[12:31] <lscd> yep
[12:31] <Aapzak> my oldest is 4 allready, soon 5
[12:31] <lscd> some guys studying cs with me are that old
[12:31] <lscd> cool
[12:31] <Aapzak> I just finished 1.5 years ago, cs too
[12:31] <Aapzak> so I'm one of them :)
[12:31] <lscd> with a bachelor's degree?
[12:32] <Aapzak> yep
[12:32] <lscd> pfft, naw, you must've been about the average age here when you started ;)
[12:32] <Aapzak> lol
[12:32] <Aapzak> started at 24
[12:32] <Aapzak> so I took my time, but not that much :)
[12:32] <lscd> eh, ok, so you were younger than the average here then, i think
[12:32] <Aapzak> oldies then
[12:32] <lscd> hm, ~6 years? that's a chunk
[12:33] <Aapzak> hmmz, thats good or bad? :)
[12:33] <lscd> neutral, just means 'a sort of big amount' :)
[12:33] <Aapzak> anyway, my son got really realy angry with my employer because he made me go to work again. He called me during the day to tell me that :)
[12:34] <Aapzak> lol
[12:34] <Aapzak> my english sucks
[12:34] <Aapzak> i'll survive anyway
[12:34] <Aapzak> we'll
[12:35] <lscd> ehh, your english isn't that bad
[12:35] <Aapzak> gtg now, battery is almost empty and since I'm working again tomorrow, I might as just get some sleep
[12:35] <lscd> eh, sleep well
[12:35] <Aapzak> not that bad, true, 
[12:35] <lscd> it's pretty decent, actually
[12:35] <Aapzak> but I'm, searching for words and make silly mistakes
[12:35] <lscd> yeah, vocab is hard
[12:36] <Aapzak> I wrote something once in which I used 'wondering around' a couple of times. funny mistake
[12:36] <lscd> lol :)
[12:36] <Aapzak> thats what I'm struggeling with, and 'easyly'
[12:36] <Aapzak> easely
[12:36] <Aapzak> easaly
[12:36] <Aapzak> dunno
[12:37] <lscd> easily
[12:37] <Aapzak> haven't tried thatone yet :)
[12:37] <lscd> it is that one :)
[12:37] <Aapzak> good/
[12:37] <lscd> (english is my first language)
[12:37] <Aapzak> ah,
[12:37] <Aapzak> that explains a lot
[12:38] <Aapzak> well, sleep well too, we'll talk later 
[12:38] <lscd> thanks
[12:38] <Aapzak> :)
[12:38] <Aapzak> ciao!
[12:38] <lscd> gr.... my bloody mac is refusing to boot off the cdrom drive
[12:38] <lscd> ciao
[12:38] <lscd> notte ;)
[12:38] <Aapzak> :)
[12:53] <jwir3> hey everyone.  I am trying to setup a wireless card (cisco aironet 350) onto a wpa network.  I can't seem to get wpa_supplicant to work correctly.  The config file is setup correctly, but I don't know what driver to use.  Anyone have success with this?
[01:14] <goldfish> ok i have a problem.
[01:14] <boga> What does VmSize and VmRss mean in KDE's ksysguard?
[01:14] <goldfish> anytime i try to install anything i get ...
[01:14] <goldfish> Errors were encountered while processing:
[01:14] <goldfish>  gtkboard
[01:14] <goldfish> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[01:14] <aseigo> VmSize is the total amount of memory the OS has let that app earmark
[01:15] <goldfish> hmm.
[01:15] <aseigo> RSS is "resident set size" and is approximately the amount of actual RAM the app is using, minus shared libraries, swapped out bits, etc
[01:16] <boga> thanx aseigo, but the first answer is not very clear, and the app does not have anyting to explain this!
[01:17] <aseigo> boga: you mean the answer re:VmSize is not particularly clear?
[01:17] <boga> aseigo: yes, 
[01:18] <boga> The bit "...has let that app earmark" is not understood
[01:18] <aseigo> boga: VmSize is the total amount of RAM that the application is using. some (or a lot) of that may also be shared with other applications, though, in the form of shared libraries and what not
[01:18] <boga> ok
[01:19] <boga> because I am running NX and was looking for how much resources I have left.
[01:22] <aseigo> boga: ah.. you want the total size minus buffers and cache
[01:23] <boga> aseigo: possible to obtain that?
[01:23] <aseigo> boga: yes. easiest way to find totals in the GUI is to open KInfoCenter and click on the memory page
[01:24] <aseigo> boga: or if you wish to use the command line, `free`
[01:24] <aseigo> boga: the memory page in Kinfocenter shows usage live though =)
[01:26] <boga> thanx...and by the way, if you are the PLASMA guru, I appreciate your work and enjoy reading your insights, though I did not agree with your "praise" of HP a while back.
[01:28] <boga> holy Christ! I have 3.9 MB of memory left!
[01:28] <aseigo> boga: yeah, that's me
[01:28] <bretzel> Hello -- Is it safe to get kde-342 from the kubuntu repos while I am using Ubuntu ?
[01:28] <aseigo> boga: remember that you want to MINUS the buffers and cache
[01:29] <aseigo> boga: linux tries to keep your RAM used by filling up the RAM not needed by apps with disk caches.. sort of like an automatic, auto-resizing ram disk
[01:29] <drunkchmod> aseigo: does this make linux system run hotter than windows system with more RAM being in use?
[01:30] <boga> Ok. I should not be worries after all
[01:30] <aseigo> drunkchmod: no
[01:30] <boga> it even says so in the tooltips
[01:30] <aseigo> drunkchmod: if anything it keeps it down by not hitting disk as much
[01:30] <aseigo> boga: hoorah for tooltips! =))
[01:30] <drunkchmod> aseigo: very good
[01:31] <drunkchmod> bretzel: you desire to use kubuntu on your ubuntu system?
[01:34] <boga> aseigo: That's you...wow. Now this might be offtopic but I'll praise HP once I can download their Linux printer drivers from HP.com
[01:35] <boga> Since they "support" Linux, they should have a Linux driver section just like they do for Windows.
[01:35] <aseigo> usually the best you can get is a link from the drivers page for the printer
[01:36] <aseigo> thought usually the most recent printer drivers are included with your linux install these days
[01:36] <bretzel> drunkchmod: Why not ? :-)
[01:37] <boga> That's not the point. Imagine yrself infronf of a PHB,,,trying to justify an HO printer, but have to go to a 3rd party site to get drivers in order to use some of its unique capabilities!
[01:37] <bretzel> drunkchmod: Especialy for Kdevelop (3.1.2)
[01:37] <boga> We lost out to Windows at my company this way
[01:38] <boga> there I was, going to linuxprinting.com...for an HP printer I claimed was supported by HP!
[01:38] <aseigo> well, this is where salesmanship helps =)
[01:38] <boga> aseigo: It was hard...infact Windows beat us there.
[01:38] <aseigo> at that point i usually point out that the Linux ecosystem works differently, and BETTER, in this way than many others
[01:39] <aseigo> instead of having to scour the internet for drivers, we usually have them all assembled in one place
[01:39] <boga> well, not when you have others claiming a solution with "known" places for support.
[01:39] <aseigo> our achiles heel is that we don't always have the breadth of drivers available, but what is there is usually already categorized
[01:39] <aseigo> yes, "known" as in "N different locations for N different solutions"
[01:40] <aseigo> which is silly, really, when you think about it
[01:40] <boga> Well, if HP had put these drivers on their page, we'd be OK now. After all, they "support" Linux right?
[01:40] <aseigo> in an environment where cooperation is encouraged, people help each other find the best solutions. so instead of looking for the "right" printer driver, if it exists it's likely well categorized with all the other ones
[01:41] <aseigo> boga: not really. i mean, yes, it would be nice to see more visible signs of support, but i really hate having to dig through every vendor's unique website and deciphering their specific download system
[01:41] <boga> But why won't they put these drivers there? WHY?
[01:41] <aseigo> boga: much nicer is when they are all pooled together with consistent documentation and access features
[01:41] <aseigo> market realities.
[01:41] <boga> That's not the way decision makers see things.
[01:42] <aseigo> not enough of a desktop market to make waves far enough ashore to reach the people who manage those websites, primariliy
[01:42] <boga> when you claim support, verification is made by visiting yr site.
[01:42] <aseigo> boga: as i said, this is where salesmanship comes into play. decision makers are often wrong ;) but are almost always willing to discover new and better ways of doing things
[01:43] <lscd> boga: decision makers don't see things in one unified way
[01:43] <boga> Not when you have another vendor with all sorts of relevant sites...meanwhile, you present Linuxprinnn.com, linuxhhh.net 
[01:43] <boga> so I see we have a long way to go
[01:44] <boga> when IBM fully put Linux support on its site, sales went thru the roof.
[01:44] <lscd> lobby hp
[01:44] <boga> PHBs suddenly had where to go.
[01:45] <aseigo> yes, i agree that the more visible support we get the better we do
[01:45] <aseigo> but we also can't sit around and wait for vendors, because in no small part they are also waiting for us
[01:45] <aseigo> so we both wait, sitting on our hands
[01:45] <boga> aseigo...nice chat & by the way I am in Canada...how are you on the west coast?
[01:46] <aseigo> ah! a fellow canuck! wonderful .. things are pretty good out here .. i'm in calgary though right now, not on the coast.
[01:46] <aseigo> where abouts are you?
[01:46] <boga> Toronto...I'm not fully Canadian, just a resident.
[01:47] <boga> I missed the stspede
[01:47] <boga> stampede
[01:47] <aseigo> boga: bah, if you live here, you're canadian for all that it matters =) we are the melting pot country of the world after all ... where are you from originally? and how long in toronto?
[01:48] <aseigo> and if you do make it out for stampede next year, be sure to look me up +)
[01:48] <boga> Uganda...close to 3 years
[01:48] <boga> I wish I could do more for KDE
[01:48] <lscd> yey, more canadians
[01:48] <lscd> aseigo: i used to live in edmonton
[01:48] <boga> The problem is that I am no coder
[01:48] <aseigo> ca - na - da! ca - na - da! ;)
[01:48] <boga> ohh
[01:48] <supernix> hiya gang
[01:48] <boga> Edmonton is sooooo cold I hear
[01:48] <supernix> I was curious if they have a banner for Kubuntu ?
[01:48] <aseigo> boga: well, there's a lot of non-coding stuff to do in kde
[01:49] <lscd> boga: only in winter
[01:49] <lscd> and the winter is long ;)
[01:49] <aseigo> boga: testing, bug triage, documentation, translations, websites, promo ...
[01:49] <boga> I hear so...but I must admit I am lazy. I am looking at writing some documentation
[01:50] <boga> there are so many apps. I use Konqui mostly
[01:50] <boga> may be that's wahere I should start
[01:50] <supernix> hmmm I guess not
[01:51] <aseigo> supernix: a banner?
[01:51] <aseigo> supernix: you mean for websites?
[01:51] <supernix> Yes like for a website
[01:51] <aseigo> supernix: a full size one like an advertisment, or those small little "brilliant buttons"
[01:52] <supernix> actually it would be nicer to have a banner at the top that is the most noticeable section
[01:52] <McScruff> how can i get shockwave in konqueror
[01:52] <luminerd> what differs this channel from #ubuntu?
[01:52] <aseigo> luminerd: the 'k'. =P
[01:52] <supernix> I thought about adding one to my site at www.shotokansite.com to help promote kubuntu
[01:53] <luminerd> aseigo, lol, yea, but what kind of discussion?
[01:53] <aseigo> McScruff: unfortunately, AFAIK, the newest shockwave only comes as a mozilla plugin and konqi only supports the older NS4 standard
[01:53] <aseigo> luminerd: pretty much everything kubuntu.. so ubuntu but with less gnome and more kde talk =)
[01:53] <McScruff> damn it, i wanted a firefox free pc
[01:54] <McScruff> now i need to install firefox, is there a .deb for 1.0.6?
[01:54] <aseigo> supernix: i don't think there is one of those, no... ask Riddell next time he's around there
[01:54] <luminerd> aseigo, lol, ok
[01:54] <supernix> ok ty aseigo shame though
[01:55] <supernix> We don't get a million hits a month but every little bit helps
[01:55] <aseigo> supernix: i'm sure it's probably just because nobody has asked yet =) if you're decent with the gimp you may even want to do one up yourself and contribute it back
[01:55] <aseigo> supernix: yes, every bit does indeed help
[01:55] <supernix> I just noticed that Ubuntu is still #1 on distrowatch.com
[01:55] <boga> McScruff: "apt-get -update" && "apt-get -upgrade" as root of course
[01:56] <supernix> I did the banner that is there with photoshop but that was a long time ago and so far I don't know anything about gimp much
[01:56] <supernix> What do you mean by not being bellweather ?
[01:56] <McScruff> boga, dont want whole system updated :)
[01:57] <boga> McScruff: then I am lost...you could google it
[01:58] <McScruff> apt-get install mozilla-firefox will do
[01:58] <McScruff> WTF it doesnt open!!! firefox wont open!!!!!
[01:59] <supernix> aseigo: what does bellweather mean ?
[01:59] <aseigo> supernix: a measuring guide, if you will
[01:59] <luminerd> 5.04 the most recent good one?
[01:59] <supernix> oic
[01:59] <supernix> what is the best bellweather then ?
[02:02] <luminerd> Kubuntu 5.04 is that the most recent/stable (enough) version?  If there's a better one considered unstable, but not really unstable, I'd still like it I think....but if I'll be aptitude'ing the rest anyway I suppose it doesn't matter even if I get Ubuntu v 1.0? lol
[02:03] <crimsun> yes
[02:08] <luminerd> thanks crimsun 
[02:11] <luminerd> how do I do a 2.6 kernel install?
[02:11] <luminerd> with debian it's linux26 option at boot, is that the same here?
[02:12] <lscd> as far as i can tell, kubuntu is 2.6 by default
[02:14] <crimsun> it is 2.6.10 by default
[02:14] <granbar> You all should download kubuntu kernel 3.2
[02:15] <lscd> hah, very funny
[02:15] <luminerd> thanks guys
[02:15] <lscd> and gcc 2.7?
[02:15] <granbar> GVB is the new shit. GNU Visual Basic
[02:16] <luminerd> why is my ps/2 keyboard not working?  I press enter at the boot screen, and then when I get to the language selection, it won't work to select english.
[02:19] <luminerd> nvm, rebooted and it worked
[02:26] <Jeezis> i suggest adding the ubuntu-backports repositories, theres a lot of nifty stuff on there
[02:39] <luminerd> Hello?
[02:39] <luminerd> my mouse doesn't work! :(
[02:39] <granbar> modprobe it
[02:40] <granbar> good night
[02:40] <luminerd> ...........
[02:40] <luminerd> modprobe wtf?
[02:40] <lscd> the way you load drivers under linux without rebooting
[02:40] <lscd> ok, what kind of mouse is it?
[02:40] <luminerd> lscd, ps/2
[02:41] <lscd> lsmod | grep psmouse
[02:41] <luminerd> psmouse 19336 0
[02:41] <lscd> ok, so modprobe won't help ;)
[02:41] <lscd> does it not move at all when you wiggle it?
[02:42] <luminerd> nope :(
[02:42] <luminerd> should I cat it?
[02:42] <lscd> i'd recommend using od, but sure, give that a try
[02:42] <luminerd> od?
[02:42] <luminerd> either way I forget what command to run :P
[02:42] <lscd> like cat, but it deals with binary data [like you'll get from your mouse]  without corrupting your terminal
[02:42] <lscd> od /dev/psaux perhaps
[02:43] <luminerd> permission denied, lscd :(
[02:43] <lscd> sudo od /dev/psaux
[02:43] <lscd> you need root perms
[02:44] <luminerd> ok...so what now?
[02:44] <lscd> well, wiggle the mouse
[02:44] <lscd> does a bunch of stuff appear?
[02:44] <luminerd> nothing
[02:44] <lscd> ok, check that it's plugged in tightly
[02:44] <lscd> and that you're using the right mouse 
[02:44] <luminerd> it is
[02:44] <luminerd> lol
[02:44] <luminerd> I am
[02:45] <lscd> dmesg
[02:45] <luminerd> eth0: link down
[02:46] <luminerd> that's just another problem :(
[02:46] <luminerd> lscd, any ideas?
[02:46] <lscd> yeah, it is weird....
[02:46] <lscd> er, does your mouse work under other systems? windows, knoppix....?
[02:46] <lscd> and you're sure it's not plugged into the keyboard port?
[02:46] <luminerd> umm
[02:47] <luminerd> err, well if it were my keyboard wouldn't work lol
[02:47] <luminerd> 1 sec
[02:47] <lscd> sorry if this sounds like dumb questions :p
[02:47] <lscd> but you'd be surprised
[02:47] <luminerd> yup it's alright
[02:47] <luminerd> *all right
[02:48] <luminerd> should I try a reboot?
[02:48] <lscd> i guess
[02:48] <lscd> preferably into non-kubuntu
[02:48] <lscd> to see if the mouse works there
[02:48] <luminerd> or uh, I could move the mouse to a dif. system?
[02:49] <luminerd> all I got's kubuntu.
[02:49] <lscd> you'd have to reboot both systems
[02:49] <lscd> ahh
[02:49] <luminerd> on that system anyway
[02:49] <lscd> not got any other livecds sitting around?
[02:49] <luminerd> no
[02:49] <luminerd> winblows on the other system though
[02:50] <lscd> mm
[02:50] <lscd> ok, try swapping your mice, after shutting down both pcs
[02:50] <luminerd> alright
[02:52] <luminerd> I didn't need to reboot the windows system.
[02:52] <luminerd> the mouse works.
[02:52] <lscd> you shouldn't try to hot-plug ps/2 mice
[02:52] <lscd> you can fry stuff
[02:52] <luminerd> hot-plug?
[02:52] <lscd> plug in while the system is on
[02:53] <luminerd> I see...why the crap is that?
[02:53] <luminerd> lol
[02:53] <lscd> electronics
[02:53] <lscd> they're an ugly little field ;)
[02:53] <luminerd> -_-'
[02:53] <lscd> usb is designed to be fairly safe to hot-plug
[02:53] <luminerd> well that might be the prob then
[02:53] <lscd> aside from that, on typical consumer pcs, forget it
[02:54] <luminerd> fairly safe?
[02:54] <luminerd> lol that is frickin lame
[02:55] <luminerd> mouse still don't work, lscd 
[02:55] <luminerd> the other mouse
[02:55] <delltony> hi guys have a question in regard to pdf files. i read a lot of ebooks from netlibrary.com and well on windozes it interfaces fine with ie but of course i'm using linux and would like to read these ebooks without the dang thing poping up in a seperate window each page seperately in kpdf. any suggestions is there a adobe acrobat extention for firefox or what?
[02:57] <luminerd> delltony, you shouldn't use IE, www.getfirefox.com...and there is no way to view a PDF without something popping up...afaik even IE can't view a PDF inside the browser, it needs a plugin.
[02:57] <luminerd> sry if I'm just being ignorant.
[02:57] <delltony> i don't use IE jsut saying
[02:58] <luminerd> lol I see
[02:58] <kaplanfx> hello
[02:58] <delltony> your wrong on that thught luminerd 
[02:58] <delltony> read the example of what i posted
[02:58] <delltony> ie has a built in adobe plugini
[02:58] <kaplanfx> I'm going to install kubuntu, im wondering what the preferred installation method is
[02:58] <luminerd> I read already
[02:58] <delltony> it reads it inside the page
[02:58] <kaplanfx> should I use a daily cd or hoary?
[02:58] <luminerd> That's strange
[02:59] <delltony> not really 
[02:59] <delltony> hats how its designed
[02:59] <luminerd> kaplanfx, afaik it doesn't matter since you end up installing all the updates anyway via internet
[02:59] <delltony> just like office word loads the .doc files inside of a browser
[02:59] <luminerd> delltony, ok, well I dont know what I'm talking about :{
[02:59] <kaplanfx> so I may as well go with the daily eh?
[03:00] <luminerd> kaplanfx, don't take my word for it, I'm no expert :P might try #ubuntu
[03:00] <delltony> when you go to a page that contains a document
[03:00] <delltony> i use to use IE reason i say this
[03:00] <luminerd> its more active
[03:00] <delltony> but being i have used linux for about 3 years now then its firefox or nothing
[03:00] <luminerd> lscd, you still around?
[03:00] <delltony> the daily cd is the development build
[03:00] <delltony> development = bugs
[03:00] <delltony> if you have some spray then go for it
[03:01] <delltony> its like firefox i use to do the daily build things
[03:01] <delltony> but it ran so crappy i gave up
[03:02] <kaplanfx> delltony: then go with hoary?
[03:02] <luminerd> yea, kaplanfx sounds like hoary will be best for you
[03:02] <luminerd> I'm going to shut up now before I give any more false advice ^_^'
[03:03] <delltony> i would go with hoary 
[03:03] <delltony> until the build array say 6 or so
[03:03] <luminerd> My mouse won't work :( I'm using kubuntu 5.04...I can't even od the mouse.  :( I tried switching mouses...no mice will work on the system....the same mice work fine on my windoze box.
[03:03] <delltony> or the final freeze
[03:04] <delltony> you looked in the xorg.conf i think there is a section in there for mouse if i'm not mistaken
[03:04] <delltony> actually i know there is cause you have to add stuff for middle button
[03:14] <lscd> luminerd: sorry, was doing stuff irl
[03:14] <luminerd> irl?
[03:15] <lscd> in real life
[03:15] <lscd> sorting through papers
[03:19] <luminerd> lscd, someone in #ubuntu's having me install gpm
[03:21] <lscd> tell them that od doesn't show anything when you od /dev/psaux
[03:21] <lscd> gpm is great, but if you're not getting data from your mouse anyhow, it won't help
[03:22] <luminerd> I see...
[03:22] <luminerd> ok thanks
[03:36] <kaplanfx> exit
[04:06] <supernix> Hiya gang does anyone happen to know what the Kubuntu slogan might be ?
[04:06] <ToyMan> what's a good bittorrent client?
[04:06] <lscd> azureus, but it requires java
[04:07] <ToyMan> i was using azureus, but I don't see that in packages...
[04:07] <lscd> java's in some of the non-free packages, mentioned in the userdocs
[04:07] <lscd> azureus itself, dunno
[04:08] <ToyMan> k, thanks
[04:21] <npfet> Konversation isn't bad!
[04:26] <supernix> ok don't laugh but I did create a banner this was my first real use of Gimp
[04:26] <supernix> And all I did was do a screen capture and adjust the size and cut out a part of the image
[04:27] <_jeremy> Hey, can somebody help me with a kubuntu issue im having?  Im trying to install flash but its telling me that its not compatible with the x86_64 architecture, how do i get around that and get flash working?
[04:34] <lscd> it's in the docs, iirc the solution is to use 'gplflash', which, according to the docs, is neither complete nor stable
[04:39] <_jeremy> im use to instability, im a windows user who converted to linux today
[04:40] <_jeremy> where would i find the gplflash so that i can use it so i can have flash?
[04:42] <lscd> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#head-f375cba46014e861cd5ec7643bd7c4ef05acff2b
[04:42] <lscd> you have to manually compile it, but it's only a few steps
[04:43] <lscd> i prefer gentoo's way of dealing with flash on amd64 - gplflash is packaged, but you can also run a 32 bit browser and macromedia flash
[04:47] <_jeremy> the main browser im running is firefox
[04:57] <ray_> TestMAD: did you ever get that guys pc up and running?
[05:04] <TestMAD> mo
[05:04] <TestMAD> i didnt
[05:04] <TestMAD> he's not ready yetr
[05:04] <TestMAD> i was just gewtting some info first
[05:04] <ray_> ahh
[05:09] <supernix> this is my first attempt at a banner I did it with a screen shot and gimp http://www.shotokansite.com/kubuntu-logo.jpg
[05:27] <_jeremy> im trying to install gplflash-0.4.13, and when i do the configure for it, it gives me this error:  checking for C++ compiler default output file name... configure: error: C++ compiler cannot create executables
[05:27] <_jeremy> how do i correct this error?
[05:36] <nate_> what program does linux use to test password complexity?
[05:36] <lscd> nate_: there are several
[05:37] <nate_> lscd, one of them would be great, thanks :)
[05:37] <nate_> one that i could use in a shell script, preferably
[05:38] <lscd> i forget the names off the top of my head, tbh
[05:38] <nate_> well then, that was helpful ;P
[05:39] <lscd> http://www.google.com/search?q=linux%20password%20strength&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 <-- go wild
[05:42] <supernix> Anyone happen to know when they will update the OOo packages in the repositories ?
[05:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> supernix: you mean 1.1.*?
[05:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> mines updating now... but I'm on Breezy
[05:43] <supernix> actually the 1.19 
[05:43] <_jeremy>  im trying to install gplflash-0.4.13, and when i do the configure for it, it gives me this error: checking for C++ compiler default output file name... configure: error: C++ compiler cannot create executables.             How do i correct this error?
[05:43] <supernix> I think they call it OOo 2.0 
[05:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> supernix: i had them update yesterday
[05:43] <supernix> Kamping_Kaiser: didn't they say that breezy was still unstable ?
[05:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> supernix: it is unstable. very unstalbe
[05:46] <supernix> Ah I still see the 1.9.79 which I have seen 1.9.118 on the OOo official site
[05:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> *checks*
[05:46] <ray_> 2.0 isnt out yet
[05:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> they ahhave updated the spash screen though :)
[05:47] <supernix> Yeah I really liked that 
[05:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> 1.9.121 <- my oo.o
[05:48] <_jeremy> does nobody have a suggestion for me on how to fix my problem?
[05:48] <supernix> hmmm Kamping_Kaiser you must be getting it from different sources for sure
[05:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> supernix: master Ubuntu repositries
[05:49] <supernix> _jeremy: sure wish I knew what to do to help you but I just don't know enough myself
[05:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> do you have buiild essetianls installed properly _jeremy?
[05:49] <_jeremy> build essentials?
[05:49] <ray_> yeah _jeremy build-esasentials
[05:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> *build-essentials
[05:50] <ray_> oops
[05:50] <ray_> drunk
[05:50] <_jeremy> im fairly new to linux, so you will have to be a little more detailed than that
[05:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> I'm trying to find the package info for you
[05:50] <_jeremy> ok, thanks
[05:51] <ray_> !find build-essentials
[05:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> build-essential no S
[05:51] <ray_> ahh
[05:51] <ray_> !find build-essential
[05:51] <ubotu> build-essential: (informational list of build-essential packages), section devel, is optional. Version: 10.1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 48 kB
[05:51] <ray_> so sudo apt-get install 
[05:51] <supernix> I learnt me something about versions
[05:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> _jeremy: do you use synaptic/kynaptic/apt?
[05:52] <supernix> that 1 at the end means it is the first time it was packaged :D
[05:52] <_jeremy> kynaptic
[05:52] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'build-essentials' returned no results.
[05:52] <Jeezis> anyone know a place to download a free ssl certificate compatible with konqueror?
[05:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> supernix: :o
[05:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> _jeremy: do you have internet repositreis turned on? i cant help you with that... i don't use kynaptic
[05:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> then search and install build-essential
[05:53] <_jeremy> internet repositeries?
[05:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> _jeremy: so your running a stock Kubuntu install?
[05:54] <_jeremy> yes
[05:54] <_jeremy> minor changes like downloaded programs like firefox, gaim, ect. but basically stock
[05:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> installing build-es is the same as installing other packages
[05:55] <nate_> what program does linux use to test password complexity?
[05:55] <nate_> one that i could use in a shell script, preferably
[05:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> cracklib?
[05:56] <ray_> what is the command to run openoffice2?
[05:56] <_jeremy> ok, i innstalled build essentials
[05:56] <_jeremy> installed*
[05:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> ray_: oo <tab>
[05:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> are your options
[05:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> try oofice2
[05:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> *ooffice2
[05:57] <ray_> nope
[05:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> suer you have it installed?
[05:58] <ray_> worked
[05:58] <Jeezis> anyone know a place to download a free ssl certificate compatible with konqueror?
[05:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> kaiser@ROMMEL:~ $ ooffice
[05:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> ooffice   ooffice2
[05:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> Jeezis: i doubt there are any
[05:58] <Jeezis> blarg :-p
[05:59] <Kaiser_essen> :(
[05:59] <Kaiser_essen> good luck all
[05:59] <Jeezis> thanks Kaiser_essen 
[05:59] <_jeremy> ok, now its saying it requires libz
[06:00] <_jeremy> when i search it though kynaptic, the only things i get are libzephyr3, libzephyr-dev, libzvt2, and libzvt-dev
[06:00] <crimsun> what are you trying to do?
[06:00] <ray_> _jeremy: what are u trying to install
[06:01] <_jeremy> gplflash-0.4.13
[06:01] <ray_> what is that
[06:01] <crimsun> If you're trying to compile something, you need zlib1g-dev.
[06:01] <ray_> !find gplflash
[06:02] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'gplflash' returned no results.
[06:02] <_jeremy> ok, did that and now it gives me this:  error: cannot find X11 development files
[06:03] <ray_> what is gplflash?
[06:03] <lscd> it's a free implementation of (part of) flash
[06:03] <lscd> it's covered in the userdocs
[06:03] <ray_> why not use normal flash?
[06:03] <lscd> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#head-f375cba46014e861cd5ec7643bd7c4ef05acff2b
[06:03] <_jeremy> its to run flash on an x86_64 architecture system
[06:04] <lscd> normal flash is only available for 32 bit intel pcs
[06:04] <ray_> ahhh
[06:04] <lscd> if you've got a 64 bit system, or a ppc system, etc, it's useless
[06:04] <ray_> and its not in the repos?
[06:04] <lscd> no, it's not
[06:04] <lscd> the ubuntu repositories seem disappointingly small (i'm used to gentoo)
[06:05] <_jeremy> no, im told its not complete and not stable, but im a windows user, so im used to software like that, but i need it, so its worth the risk
[06:05] <_jeremy> i tried gentoo before this, couldnt get it installed, it was having problems with my hd and it wouldnt access it to partition it the way it needed
[06:05] <lscd> it'd probably be more stable, though a little more complex, to get a 32-bit version of firefox and use normal flash with it
[06:06] <lscd> _jeremy: ahh, sata? i had problems like that too, but eventually got them sorted and installed it
[06:06] <_jeremy> the version of firefox that i got was one that was available in the repository
[06:06] <_jeremy> yep, sata
[06:07] <lscd> hm, boot with nodma, maybe modprobe something, and hda might be hdg, iirc
[06:07] <_jeremy> i wasnt sure how to fix the problem, got frustrated and started looking for a different distro
[06:07] <lscd> gentoo is a bitch to install
[06:07] <lscd> but after that, it gives you far less of the kinds of pains you're going through for gplflash
[06:07] <_jeremy> yea, i heard that before i tried but figured i would give it a shot anyway.  turns out everybody was right, so i abandoned it and got kubuntu
[06:07] <ray_> !find flash
[06:07] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'flash' (11 shown): flashplayer-mozilla ;; flashplugin-nonfree ;; flashybrid ;; libflash-dev ;; libflash-mozplugin ;; libflash-swfplayer ;; libflash0 ;; libroxen-flash2 ;; newsflash ;; osflash ;; vrflash.
[06:08] <_jeremy> so what are the X11 dev files and can i get them on kynaptic?
[06:08] <ray_> none of those will work?
[06:09] <lscd> !find x11
[06:09] <Jeezis> _jeremy: definately install synaptic at some point, it's a lot nicer than kynaptic
[06:09] <lscd> libx11-dev at a guess
[06:09] <ray_> yeah synaptic is nicer
[06:09] <Jeezis> but i suppose one problem at a time :-p
[06:09] <_jeremy> yea, flash tonight, everything else can come later
[06:10] <ray_> _jeremy: x-dev
[06:10] <_jeremy> is synaptic listed on kynaptic to download?  or do i have to find it elsewhere?
[06:10] <ray_> _jeremy: xlibs-dev
[06:10] <ray_> _jeremy: libx11-dev
[06:10] <ray_> i see all those
[06:12] <_jeremy> getting those now.  no wonder i used to like windows, it wasnt this big of a pain as long as it wasnt crashing on me
[06:13] <_jeremy> while im downloading those, do you guys know of any good linux firewalls?
[06:13] <lscd> _jeremy: linux on amd64 is still a bit of a pain
[06:13] <lscd> _jeremy: hardware or software?
[06:13] <_jeremy> ive noticed
[06:13] <_jeremy> software
[06:14] <lscd> fwiw, windows on amd64 wouldn't even see either of 2 disks i threw at it
[06:14] <_jeremy> and i want antivirus and anti spyware stuff also
[06:14] <lscd> you don't need those
[06:14] <lscd> there are no in-the-wild viruses for linux
[06:14] <_jeremy> really?  i heard there were, but very very few of them, like under 50
[06:15] <lscd> there are viruses, but they're all research ones, and none are actively spreading ("in the wild")
[06:15] <lscd> the only way you'll get infected is if you actively look for one and manually run it
[06:15] <_jeremy> ah, thats good
[06:15] <_jeremy> and no spyware for linux correct?
[06:16] <lscd> as for spyware, there's not any for linux - closest we have are rootkits, andn you can use chkrootkit, but that's next to useless, as any good rootkit will hide from it - they're fairly rare, and if you keep your system up to date should be a non-issue
[06:17] <lscd> those tend to be installed by hand by script kiddies
[06:18] <lscd> odds are excellent you won't get one even if you don't stay up to date [average time for an unpatched linux box to get compromised is fairly high, and ubuntu doesn't run any servers by default] , but it's a good idea to anyhow
[06:19] <_jeremy> yea, i was reading the other day that an average windows compromise time is 10 minutes, where as it is measured in months with linux
[06:19] <lscd> yeah
[06:19] <lscd> and if you're not running any servers, realistically, it's "never"
[06:19] <lscd> assuming you're not giving shells out
[06:20] <_jeremy> not running any servers yet, but i will be in the next couple months i hope
[06:20] <_jeremy> damn, it compiled, but it wont install, its saying permission denied
[06:20] <ray_> sudo
[06:20] <lscd> keep them up to date, don't run any notorious ones like wuftpd [if you want to run an ftpd, vsftpd might be a good idea if it has all the features you need] , and it should be fine
[06:21] <ray_> sudo make install _jeremy 
[06:23] <_jeremy> giving alot of messages like Nothing to be done for `install-exec-am'.
[06:23] <ray_> thats normal
[06:23] <_jeremy> ok
[06:23] <ray_> i think
[06:24] <lscd> yes, absolutely
[06:25] <lscd> _jeremy: there are various graphical firewall builders - you might appreciate those
[06:25] <lscd> i've always done it by hand, so i can't advise you there, sorry
[06:26] <ray_> bitchx is pretty cool
[06:27] <_jeremy> yea, i dont have a clue how to do it by hand, so a graphical firewall builder would be a good thing
[06:28] <_jeremy> ok, after i do the install, is there something else im supposed to do, because it still is telling me in firefox that i need to install the plugin
[06:30] <ray_> you must have to link it
[06:30] <lscd> you'll have to restart firefox
[06:31] <_jeremy> tried restarting firefox
[06:31] <_jeremy> how do i link it?
[06:31] <ray_> find the libflash file and link it to firefox plugins folder
[06:32] <lscd> ttp://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-14905.html
[06:38] <_jeremy> hmm, did a file search and didnt find a libflash file
[06:39] <kaplanfx> damn
[06:39] <kaplanfx> how do I get rid of this fugly background in konq
[06:39] <kaplanfx> I think I searched every possible option dialog
[06:39] <kaplanfx> found it
[06:39] <ray_> in konq
[06:40] <kaplanfx> damn that was hidden
[06:40] <ray_> easy
[06:40] <kaplanfx> wtf
[06:40] <kaplanfx> view -> configure background
[06:40] <kaplanfx> not intuitive
[06:40] <kaplanfx> should just be in configure konqueror options
[06:40] <kaplanfx> or should at least be cloned in both places
[06:41] <kaplanfx> heh other than that kubuntu is quite nice
[06:41] <kaplanfx> er the other thing is I think its trying to mount volumes in the fstab before the drivers for them are loaded
[06:41] <kaplanfx> my usb2 external drive can't get mounted as such
[06:44] <kaplanfx> now for some server goodness
[06:44] <kaplanfx> :)
[06:49] <_jeremy> brb, going to restart
[06:54] <_jeremy> im back
[06:57] <kaplanfx> why did you restart?
[06:58] <Kaiser_essen> wb
[06:58] <_jeremy> in hopes of it getting the flash thing to work in firefox.  What can i say, im in windows user and when in windows, if i program doesnt work, restart and chances are it will
[06:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol yeh, different culture
[06:59] <kaplanfx> hehe
[06:59] <_jeremy> yea, its quite a difference, more so than i was expecting, and thats even after taking a linux class
[06:59] <kaplanfx> you want to untar the flash tarball then link libflashplayer.so to you ~/.mozilla/firefox/plugins dir
[07:00] <kaplanfx> at least I think thats the dir
[07:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0 class?
[07:00] <kaplanfx> hehe linux has no class
[07:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P lol
[07:00] <_jeremy> not a very good class, all we could use was the command line to learn to change dir and such, we never even got to see a GUI
[07:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> that's all the L1 of the LPI is
[07:01] <kaplanfx> gah
[07:01] <kaplanfx> firefox doesn't want to use gtk-qt :(
[07:01] <kaplanfx> _jeremy: thats the best stuff to learn :)
[07:01] <kaplanfx> the rest is just clicky clicky
[07:02] <lscd> kaplanfx: eh, but you can at least do interesting stuff with it
[07:02] <lscd> changing a dir is important, but it probably doesn't fascinate anyone
[07:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> lscd: but it's a must have skill
[07:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> as it was in MSDOS
[07:03] <_jeremy> how do i link it to the firefox plugin folder?
[07:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi kakalto
[07:04] <lscd> Kamping_Kaiser: absolutely; i just think that any class of any reasonable length should do something that gets the student's attention unless they're already quite focused - it'll make the rest stick better
[07:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes, that's quite true as well
[07:05] <kakalto> heya Kaiser
[07:06] <kakalto> how's it goin?
[07:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> not bad. catching up on email reading... self?
[07:07] <kakalto> not too good, but life must go on
[07:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> what's happening?
[07:08] <kakalto> my 2 best friends don't co-operate well
[07:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, sounds familar tbh
[07:09] <TestMAD> tell the mto kiss and make up
[07:09] <TestMAD> j/k
[07:09] <kakalto> I wish
[07:09] <kakalto> already tried :P
[07:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> move one intersate ;) worked for me
[07:11] <kakalto> heheh.
[07:12] <kakalto> not of that age yet :)
[07:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh well :) 
[07:13] <kakalto> I would ditch 1 of the friends, (since I`m pretty sure he's in the wrong) but he's kinda suicidal
[07:14] <kakalto> >_>
[07:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> :S not cool
[07:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> so you have to take sides? 
[07:15] <kakalto> not officially, but when he calls her a slut, I get that idea
[07:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> nearly finished my dist-upgrade
[07:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> kakalto: that's um... tricky
[07:16] <kakalto> especially when I know she's not like that
[07:16] <kakalto> >.<
[07:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> :(
[07:18] <kakalto> and the 'evidence' he has is from another party
[07:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> k
[07:22] <_jeremy> how would i link the libflash to the firefox plugins folder?
[07:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> with ln
[07:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> ln -s /original/file /sym/link
[07:27] <supernix> anyone know much about security and Kubuntu ?
[07:27] <supernix> I had a site get hacked and the host is doing everything he can to try and blame it on me
[07:27] <_jeremy> sym?
[07:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> supernix: pardon?
[07:28] <supernix> I told him I doubted that Kubuntu had any security issues and that he should investigate his side more to see how they got in
[07:28] <supernix> The person uploaded some files somehow that allowed the hacker to take over the peoples Windows box if they went to that page
[07:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> supernix: a Linux server?
[07:29] <supernix> Then it created some sort of bot net out of them all
[07:29] <supernix> Yes
[07:29] <supernix> this is the kernel he is running 2.4.21-20.0.1.ELsmp
[07:30] <supernix> and he is running apache 1.3.33
[07:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> Kubuntu has the same level of security problems (if not less) as any other Linux distro. 
[07:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, that's his fault
[07:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> if he's runnning 2.4 he deservs to burn
[07:30] <supernix> is 2.4 a security hazard ?
[07:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> well, from what you have told me it sounds like it's not kubuntus fault
[07:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> 2.4 has lots of known security holes, that cause lots of problems
[07:31] <supernix> He tried to tell me that someone must have sniffed my password and obtained access
[07:31] <supernix> I told him there is or should be no way to brute force guess the password any good security setup should detect that 
[07:32] <supernix> at least that is what I think 
[07:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> if your password got sniffed that's tricky, it's not necesarily your fault or his.
[07:32] <supernix> I am on cable so I do know that man in the middle attacks are possible
[07:33] <supernix> That part I don't doubt
[07:33] <supernix> That would have to do with the security of my ISP wouldn't it ?
[07:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> supernix: it would depend on a lot of things.
[07:33] <_eric> i need help with GRUB
[07:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> and i cant realy give a proper opinion
[07:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok _eric
[07:33] <supernix> ok ty Kamping_Kaiser 
[07:34] <_eric> how do i pull up grub.conf in the terminal window?
[07:34] <sproingie> 2.4.whatever.EL is *not* a stock 2.4 kernel
[07:34] <_eric> i can't get into su
[07:34] <sproingie> that's redhat, and it's heavily heavily patched
[07:34] <sproingie> as in, it's almost 2.6
[07:34] <pax> sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:35] <guest> hi all
[07:36] <Kream> I just installed kubuntu for the first time... how do I add the kubuntu deb repository so that I can install security updates etc. ?
[07:36] <_eric> k, now how do i edit it so that my windows xp is the primary os for grub?
[07:36] <pax> _eric: take it to the top of the list
[07:36] <_eric> and i do that how??
[07:36] <pax> Kream: topic
[07:37] <pax> _eric: you have an entry for xp in that list dont you?
[07:37] <_jeremy> what is the command or whatever to be root when im working in the console and get a permission denied error?
[07:37] <pax> !sudo
[07:37] <ubotu> somebody said sudo was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:37] <_eric> i am looking at it and no there isn't, when i boot the computer it comes up in grub as an "other operating system"
[07:37] <_jeremy> sudo, thanks
[07:38] <pax> _eric: if grub shows it then it on that list
[07:38] <jeh_work> hm, my kubuntu installed just fine
[07:39] <jeh_work> but it's no screamer on the epia m10000
[07:39] <pax> _eric: grub list your entries just the way they are on menu.list, if you move an OS entry to the top, grub will present it to you as the first one at boot
[07:40] <_jeremy> damn it, i still cant get any kind of flash to work on firefox and ive been at this for 4 hours
[07:40] <_eric> pax, i am telling you it is not on there, in ubuntu, and fedora it was a matter of changing a number to i think 4 instead of zero
 i am looking at it and no there isn't, when i boot the computer it comes up in grub as an "other operating system"
[07:40] <pax> what do you mean by that?
[07:41] <_eric> pax, i think it was a matter of changing the default value
[07:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> it is an other operating system
[07:41] <pax> _jeremy: sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[07:42] <_eric> how do i copy from nano into the input field for irc?
[07:42] <_eric> i will show you the list i have
[07:42] <pax> _eric: use kedit or kate
[07:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> to make it default you can savelast and boot Windows, or count the entries and put in the Windows number
[07:42] <_eric> See: grub(8), info grub, update-grub(8)
[07:42] <_eric> #            grub-install(8), grub-floppy(8),
[07:42] <_eric> #            grub-md5-crypt, /usr/share/doc/grub
[07:42] <_eric> #            and /usr/share/doc/grub-doc/.
[07:42] <_eric> that is what i have
[07:42] <pax> kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:44] <_eric> ok, there we go, now i have more on my screen then with nano
[07:44] <_jeremy> pax , it says couldn't find package flashplayer-mozilla
[07:44] <pax> !find flashplayer-mozilla
[07:44] <ubotu> flashplayer-mozilla: (Macromedia Flash Player), section multiverse/web, is optional. Version: 7.0.25-0.0 (hoary), Packaged size: 956 kB, Installed size: 2136 kB
[07:44] <_eric> so then i move this to the top? (see next message)
[07:44] <_eric> # This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for a non-linux OS
[07:44] <_eric> # on /dev/hda1
[07:44] <_eric> title		Microsoft Windows XP Professional
[07:44] <_eric> root		(hd0,0)
[07:44] <_eric> savedefault
[07:45] <_eric> makeactive
[07:45] <_eric> chainloader	+1
[07:45] <pax> _jeremy: edit /etc/apt/sources.list to include multiverse
[07:45] <_eric> do i move all of that to the top of the list?
[07:45] <pax> _jeremy: http://ninux.net/files/
[07:45] <pax> oops
[07:45] <pax> _jeremy: http://ninux.net/files/sources
[07:46] <_eric> pax, do i move all of that to the top of the list?
[07:46] <Kream> what are ubuntu backports?
[07:46] <pax> _eric: do me a favor, make a backuo if that file before you edit it, sudo cp  /boot/grub/menu.lst  /boot/grub/menu.lst_backup
[07:47] <pax> Kream: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[07:47] <_jeremy> ok, im at the sources.list and i have the ninux.net/files/sources open, what to i do?
[07:47] <_eric> k, now what?
[07:47] <pax> copy/paste, backuo your original file first
[07:47] <pax> backup*
[07:47] <_jeremy> k
[07:48] <pax> when done, sudo apt-get update  sudo apt-get upgrade  sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:48] <Kream> pax: thanks *sheepish grin*
[07:48] <pax> _jeremy: then sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[07:50] <_jeremy> ok, it wont let me write to that file
[07:50] <pax> you need to be root
[07:50] <_eric> pax, i hate to sound rude, but i am in a hurry
[07:50] <pax> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:50] <pax> _eric: come again
[07:51] <pax> _eric: the entry you paste to the channel earlier, make it on the top of grub ebtries
[07:51] <pax> entries*
[07:51] <_eric> pax, i need to know what all to copy to the top of the list. Do i leave out stuff that has a # in front of it? like this: # This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for a non-linux OS
[07:51] <pax> what teh diffrence anyway, top bottom, it there
[07:52] <_eric> ok, i'll give it a try
[07:52] <pax> _eric: paste everything in that file to http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/ and give me a link
[07:52] <_jeremy> nothing but a page full of errors, basically saying it cant find the package
[07:53] <pax> can find flashplayer-mozilla ?
[07:53] <_jeremy> correct
[07:53] <_eric> http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/917
[07:53] <pax> did you sudo apt-get update ?
[07:54] <_jeremy> i was told earlier in the evening that it wouldnt work with the 64 bit architecture, which is why ive spent hours tonight trying to get gplflash working, but havent had any luck past installing it
[07:54] <pax> _eric: http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/918
[07:55] <_jeremy> tried the update, didnt help
[07:55] <pax> _jeremy: ugh couldnt you say that erlier I dunno about 64 
[07:56] <_eric> pax, k, done
[07:56] <_eric> save it now?
[07:56] <pax> _eric: yes.
[07:56] <pax> have a backup correct?
[07:56] <_eric> and this will make windows xp the default?
[07:57] <_eric> yes
[07:57] <pax> nv we all have your backup now
[07:57] <_eric> i have backup
[07:57] <_eric> lol, true
[07:57] <_jeremy> sorry, i hadnt been told to try this route, i was just told that i couldnt get it straight from macromedia, i didnt realize that this would end up the same way.  Forgive me, today is my first real day using Linux, ive been a windows user for well over a decade
[07:57] <pax> yes xp will be on top now if you dont do anything after 10 secs xp will boot
[07:57] <_eric> well, i am going to reboot and see how it works
[07:58] <pax> _eric: btw you can change that timeout from 10 to anything you want
[07:58] <_eric> if i am not back in this room tonight assume it worked, or total system failure occured
[07:59] <_eric> i know how to change the timeout, and also, i remember now that there was an easier way, all i had to do was change the: default  0, to:default  3 
[07:59] <pax> _jeremy: glad to hear that, enjoy linux :D
[07:59] <_eric> if i rember right, it may have been 4
[07:59] <pax> _jeremy: can you paste the error you get?
[07:59] <_eric> but this works too
[07:59] <_eric> thanks for the help
[07:59] <_jeremy> im trying, but spending 5 hours just trying to get flash working isnt making me very confident
[08:00] <pax> lol
[08:00] <pax> well that the fun part
[08:00] <_jeremy> lol, this is getting more frustrating that trying to install gentoo
[08:00] <_jeremy> which error would you like me to paste?
[08:01] <pax> sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla get you an error you said
[08:01] <pax> what does it spit?
[08:01] <_jeremy> after a couple of hours of work, i got gplflash-0.4.13 installed, but wasnt sure where to go after that
[08:02] <Kream> do I have to do anything special to get the ssh server to start at every boot ? 
[08:02] <_jeremy> well, i could post the whole thing, but from previous irc room experiences, it would likely lead to a ban for flooding
[08:02] <pax> it should start w/o you doing anything Kream
[08:02] <pax> _jeremy: paste to http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/
[08:04] <_jeremy> http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/920
[08:05] <pax> _jeremy: sudo kedit /etc/apt/sources.list empty everything and copy/paste this http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[08:07] <_jeremy> kedit: command not found
[08:08] <pax> _jeremy: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list empty everything and copy/paste this http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[08:09] <_jeremy> ok, pasted and saved
[08:09] <pax> _jeremy: sudo apt-get update
[08:09] <_jeremy> ok, completed
[08:10] <pax> any errors?
[08:10] <_jeremy> nope
[08:10] <pax> _jeremy:  sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[08:10] <_jeremy> still couldn't find it
[08:11] <TestMAD> its not called flashplayer-mozilla
[08:11] <TestMAD> i forget what it is.
[08:11] <pax> pax@debuntu:~$apt-cache search flashplayer-mozilla
[08:11] <pax> flashplayer-mozilla - Macromedia Flash Player
[08:11] <TestMAD> hmm
[08:11] <pax> !find flashplayer-mozilla
[08:11] <ubotu> flashplayer-mozilla: (Macromedia Flash Player), section multiverse/web, is optional. Version: 7.0.25-0.0 (hoary), Packaged size: 956 kB, Installed size: 2136 kB
[08:11] <pax> weird
[08:12] <TestMAD> unless they changed the name in the past 2 weeks..
[08:12] <TestMAD> thats not it
[08:12] <pax> _jeremy: one sec
[08:12] <_jeremy> ok, np
[08:12] <TestMAD> look it up in kynaptic
[08:12] <TestMAD> find mozilla
[08:13] <pax> http://www.petitiononline.com/lin64swf/petition.html <- this explains it
[08:14] <pax> there no flash for amd64
[08:14] <_jeremy> so am i out of luck then?
[08:15] <pax> I sorry _jeremy seems like youl need to wait :(
[08:16] <_jeremy> np, i still have XP Pro on my laptop that i can look up all flash critical things, i was just hoping i could do it on linux
[08:16] <pax> i386 works fine on 64 I head
[08:16] <pax> heard*
[08:17] <_jeremy> and how do i go about doing that?
[08:17] <kaplanfx> _jeremy: flash on linux sucks, the sound is all borked
[08:17] <kaplanfx> u don't want it anyway
[08:17] <TestMAD> hehe..good explanation there
[08:17] <kaplanfx> well its true
[08:17] <TestMAD> borked...
[08:17] <TestMAD> hehe
[08:18] <kaplanfx> haha
[08:18] <kaplanfx> you've never heard that before?
[08:18] <TestMAD> it is messed up tho.
[08:18] <kaplanfx> its the non-leet version of b04ked
[08:18] <TestMAD> boinked..not borked
[08:18] <kaplanfx> or something
[08:18] <kaplanfx> b0rk3d
[08:18] <kaplanfx> use it, its good
[08:19] <pax> any smokers here?
[08:19] <kaplanfx> until you say it out loud to a bunch of non-technical people
[08:19] <TestMAD> i am] 
[08:19] <kaplanfx> then you sound like a weirdo
[08:19] <pax> I smell cigarettes
[08:19] <TestMAD> but it depends on whats being smoked
[08:19] <kaplanfx> hehe
[08:19] <pax> what do you smoke, code
[08:19] <TestMAD> nah..skriptkiddies
[08:19] <TestMAD> heheh
[08:20] <kaplanfx> pax: pot
[08:20] <kaplanfx> weed
[08:20] <kaplanfx> ganja
[08:20] <kaplanfx> mary jane
[08:20] <kaplanfx> etc...
[08:20] <TestMAD> thats illeal
[08:20] <kaplanfx> haha
[08:20] <TestMAD> illegal
[08:20] <kaplanfx> TestMAD: not in Kapland
[08:20] <kaplanfx> im a soverign nation
[08:20] <TestMAD> hah..ok
[08:21] <kaplanfx> er at least this side of my house
[08:21] <kaplanfx> actually I don't much anymore
[08:21] <TestMAD> pax: you smell smoke now?
[08:21] <kaplanfx> much of my early experiments with linux were performed in college at 4 in the morning whilst highly stoned
[08:22] <kaplanfx> when I wasn't afriad to break stuff
[08:22] <pax> I smell what pax is cooking now
[08:22] <TestMAD> highly stoned and playin with linux is like watchin old timers fix a pc..
[08:22] <TestMAD> its funny
[09:23] <buz> terror
[09:32] <luminerd> dang
[09:32] <luminerd> not much discussion goes on in here, eh?
[09:33] <paines> it does
[09:33] <TestMAD> yea..it does..
[09:33] <luminerd> lol
[09:33] <paines> :-)
[09:33] <TestMAD> just most ppl on here ruight now are asleep
[09:33] <TestMAD> like i should be
[09:34] <paines> just arrived in office
[09:34] <paines> europe here
[09:35] <dracool> chale
[09:46] <paines> damn
[09:47] <paines> anyone know a vncserver which isn't written in perl
[09:47] <paines> vncserver and tightvncserver are
[09:49] <Choubaka> :/
[09:49] <jpatrick> :\
[10:58] <Yannick_R> hi
[11:00] <Yannick_R> I just installed kubuntu, in OOo the fonts in the menu are all blurred and the french special letters are not displayed.
[11:02] <Yannick_R> do you guys know how to fix this ?
[11:08] <jpatrick> you checked fonts in the control center?
[11:08] <jpatrick> do you have nvidia?
[11:09] <Yannick_R> yes nv free drivers
[11:09] <jpatrick> :-/
[11:11] <Archite> I'm curious, has anyone else had problems with the opengl screensavers in Kubuntu? Everything works find in Ubuntu, but in Kubuntu nothing happens.
[11:11] <jpatrick> in Kubuntu it's slow
[11:12] <Archite> jpatrick: any type of fix?
[11:12] <jpatrick> I dunno
[11:12] <Archite> jpatrick: I've been looking all over google for something... hehe, obviously I couldn't find anything since I'm asking on here now. Kinda depressing
[11:13] <jpatrick> have you recently upgraded your system?
[11:14] <Archite> jpatrick: yeah, I'm now running 3.4.2
[11:14] <Archite> jpatrick: fresh install though
[11:14] <jpatrick> :-/ no idea
[11:14] <Archite> jpatrick: yeah, strange. Everything is loading correclty. Even pulled a xorg.conf from Ubuntu... Blah
[11:15] <jpatrick> how much RAM do you have?
[11:15] <Archite> jpatrick: A gig
[11:15] <jpatrick> wow :-o
[11:17] <jpatrick> i have a quarter of that
[11:17] <Archite> interesting, I can't even get to the options screen on most of the GL screensavers
[11:20] <jpatrick> wb
[11:22] <nikkia> grrr, stupid question time...
[11:22] <jpatrick> _
[11:22] <nikkia> where's the setting to turn off single-click stuff ?
[11:23] <nikkia> k3b annoys me with its no-way-to-select-a-bunch-of-files-because-the-first-click-gets-counted-as-an-'add' behaviour :/
[11:23] <nikkia> ah, there
[11:23] <nikkia> 'peripherals/mouse' so logical
[11:24] <nikkia> grrr 'you have to restart KDE to make this change'
[11:24] <nikkia> brb, again
[11:29] <nikkia> erm, ok
[11:29] <jpatrick> which is better KXDocker or KSmoothDock?
[11:30] <jpatrick> I'm think KXDock
[11:30] <hussam> How come kubuntu does not automount cdroms? when I insert a cdrom , it appears in konqueror but I still have to right-click + mount
[11:33] <jpatrick> does the same here :p
[11:33] <hussam> is there any setting I can change to get it to automount stuff?
[11:34] <nikkia> hussam, you'd need to install and setup autofs
[11:34] <nikkia> i don't know if its in the kubuntu repos, and it has some major caveats
[11:35] <nikkia> like, you have to disable it before burning a CD/DVD or you'll waste a disc :)
[11:38] <McScruff> how do i check what kernel im running?
[11:38] <nikkia> hussam: i'm actually pondering adding support to k3b to deal with things like autofs
[11:38] <nikkia> McScruff: uname -a
[11:38] <McScruff> ty
[11:39] <nikkia> hussam: i figure adding a list of processes to watch for before starting burning, and disable/enable scripts should do it
[11:42] <nikkia> ie, you add an entry that says process name: autofs    disable script: /usr/local/bin/stop_autofs_kde  enable script: /usr/local/bin/start_autofs_kde  reenable after burn: yes
[11:42] <nikkia> then, before starting the burn process, it'd look at the process table, see autofs is running, and run the disable script, then after the burn is finished, it'd run the matching enable script to reenable it
[11:42] <nikkia> it wouldn't be a huge amount of code to add to k3b, the hardest bit would probably be modifying the k3b preferences to present the list
[11:46] <nikkia> urgh, that was a absolutely bad idea!
[11:47] <pax> jpatrick: kxdoker is nice but I never got it to install from source. 
[11:47] <Archite> hehe
[11:47] <jpatrick> pax: I downloaded the .deb
[11:47] <pax> jpatrick: is it working>
[11:47] <pax> jpatrick: is it working?
[11:47] <jpatrick> yes
[11:48] <pax> using kde 3.4.2?
[11:48] <jpatrick> yes
[11:48] <pax> hmm got it to install but wouldn't start
[11:48] <Archite> jpatrick: Well, I figured out why the screensavers won't work. I get an error Xmu library installation. Ever run across anything like that?
[11:49] <jpatrick> no
[11:49] <pax> kxdocker_0.32-1_i386.deb right?
[11:49] <jpatrick> yeah
[11:49] <rikva> does kubuntu support the kde 3.4 translucency?
[11:49] <pax> weird
[11:49] <jpatrick> did you download kxdocker-data?
[11:50] <pax> data is just themes and stuff
[11:50] <jpatrick> never mind
[11:50] <pax> gimme a link if handy
[11:50] <hussam> nikkia; I installed autofs, do I need to reboot and is there anything that needs to be configured?
[11:51] <nikkia> hussam: you shouldn't need to reboot, but it will need to be configured, yes
[11:51] <hussam> nikkia: how?
[11:51] <nikkia> hussam: however you want, its very personal
[11:51] <nikkia> its also pretty complicated :P
[11:52] <hussam> i'll log out and log in again
[11:52] <nikkia> hussam: if you installed from a repos, i don't know what files it uses, but the default is /etc/auto.*
[11:52] <nikkia> erm, thats going to make no difference :P
[11:55] <nikkia> i don't think i gave the impression that configuring autofs was going to be easy, did i ?
[11:57] <nikkia> hussam, that was a waste of logging out/back in :)
[11:59] <hussam> is there some  .conf file I need to edit?
[12:00] <nikkia> hussam, the default files used by autofs when its built from source are /etc/auto.*  if you've installed from the repository, i don't know what files it will be using, let me make it clear though, autofs is *not* easy to configure, which is most likely why [k] ubuntu doesn't install it by default
[12:00] <nikkia> as i said, you also need to make sure you disable it before doing things like writing CDs, as otherwise it will interfere and cause the burn to fail
[12:00] <nikkia> hussam: yes, lots of them
[12:01] <nikkia> at very least, auto.misc, possibly auto.master and fstab
[12:02] <nikkia> if you want networking shares auto-mounted too, probably auto.net and auto.smb
[12:02] <McScruff> i have a pda plugged in in usb and i want to use this in vmware, but host operating system has control, how can i stop kubuntu havein control?
[12:02] <nikkia> thats ignoring the fact that if autofs support isn't compiled into the kernel you'll need to do that somehow :)
[12:03] <hussam> nikkia: it said it loaded a kernel module when I did apt-get install autofs
[12:05] <nikkia> i wish i'd never mentioned it now :P
[12:06] <hussam> nikkia: don't worry ,I'll just forget about it. it's not a big deal.
[12:16] <nikkia> lol @ bulldog
[12:16] <nikkia> they sent me the wrong modem after all that
[12:17] <nikkia> instead of the 50 POS binatone, the box has a 70 actiontec 802.11g/ethernet/usb modem
[12:26] <wks12> halo room
[12:27] <Bubbling_Zombie> hello
[12:28] <Andra> hello
[12:36] <ztonzy> hi
[12:36] <ztonzy> hi nikkia , how is it ?
[12:36] <ztonzy> awake ? :)
[12:36] <nikkia> ztonzy: yes
[12:36] <nikkia> just burning/printing some cds
[12:37] <nikkia> clearing a few gigs off my drive is something i had scheduled for yesterday, but never got around to it :/
[12:37] <ztonzy> nikkia: aah...I replaced kubuntu with debian 2 days ago, and the kde feels way better now and konqueror doesn't slow down anymore with flash
[12:37] <ztonzy> ah
[12:37] <nikkia> *nod*
[12:37] <nikkia> there is something wrong with the konqueror in kubuntu :/
[12:38] <ztonzy> also 3.4.1 here...had 1 konqueror crash :)
[12:38] <ztonzy> only , so far
[12:38] <ztonzy> nikkia: yes
[12:38] <nikkia> i haven't had any with LFS, but i don't use konqueror much other than file browsing
[12:38] <ztonzy> LFS ?  
[12:38] <ztonzy> well..it happens with or happened...with filebrowsing too
[12:38] <nikkia> ztonzy: linux from scratch
[12:39] <nikkia> ie, you start with a blank HDD, and the source .tar.gz/.tar.bz2 files ....
[12:39] <ztonzy> ah yes...I think I read about it, got a site for it yesterday, didn't read it all yet
[12:39] <ztonzy> sweet
[12:39] <ztonzy> I wish my old system and its RAM modules wasn't crap...so I could test it
[12:39] <nikkia> ztonzy: on kubuntu? yes, it certainly crashed browsing files, i'm just saying, i don't use konqueror enough for 'no crashes in a week' to be utterly impressive, but it is most certainly less crashy than kubuntu's konqueror :)
[12:40] <ztonzy> nikkia: eh
[12:40] <ztonzy> I also burned a Slax live cd...and ran it...seems nice, but it is Slackware based and that's over head - yet
[12:41] <nikkia> if slackware is over your head, LFS most certainly will be :)
[12:43] <ztonzy> nikkia: but if I had a secondary system working I could do trial/error with it there ;P
[12:55] <nikkia> ztonzy: i didn't have a secondary system to install it, i just cheated
[12:55] <nikkia> ztonzy: used vmware to get a base X-less system up and running, then tar'ed the filesystem and untarred it on my real system :)
[01:02] <ztonzy> nikkia: nice...I have no experience with vmware however
[01:28] <nikkia> Ooo
[01:28] <nikkia> BMPx was released yesterday
[01:30] <nikkia> oh, never mind 'there is currently no playback functionality'
[01:55] <McScruff> im running vmware (winxp) in kubuntu and i want to use a usb device on it, but ubuntu has it, how can i stop it in ubuntu so i can use it in vmware
[02:07] <author> hi all
[02:08] <author> hi
[02:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[02:13] <author> http://www.marcel.gamika.de/kubuntu_suse_theme_screen.png
[02:13] <author> what did you think about?
[02:17] <OculusAquilae> author: nice
[02:17] <author> only to ubuntu ;)
[02:17] <author> or better Kubuntu :D
[02:18] <OculusAquilae> i like these suse decorations and with a kubuntu logo its even better :-)
[02:19] <cool> how do i switch to another profile in FF?
[02:20] <author> FF? whats that
[02:21] <OculusAquilae> firefox?
[02:21] <author> ah
[02:22] <author> when cames the dialogue for swithing profiles on startup you can edit your profiles
[02:23] <author> but you clicet on "never show on startup"
[02:23] <author> thats right?
[02:25] <wellso> hi every1
[02:25] <wellso> how do i go about making a program start when KDE loads up?
[02:25] <paines> wellso, copy a link to /home/yourloginname/.kde/Autostart
[02:26] <cool> auhtor: thats right
[02:30] <author> mhm this was a eroor ;)
[02:30] <author> error i mean
[02:30] <author> mom i think i has the same problem for a month or later..
[02:30] <author> (sorry my english plz)
[02:32] <cool> my problem solved:)
[02:33] <author> oh thats great
[02:34] <author> soryr but i was away
[02:34] <author> :(
[02:43] <teprrr> hmm, ther's no valknut for ubuntu?
[02:46] <crimsun> not in Hoary, no.
[02:46] <crimsun> There is in Breezy.
[02:49] <teprrr> but breezy is broken atm, right
[02:51] <teprrr> at least #ubuntu's topic says X is still broken there
[02:58] <OculusAquilae> hm
[02:59] <dargo> hi
[02:59] <OculusAquilae> hi dargo
[03:00] <simon_> Are there a command there works like "modconf"? "modconf: command not found"
[03:00] <ICXCNIKA> I can't wait to download kubuntu when I get my DSL.
[03:03] <OculusAquilae> ICXCNIKA: i think you can buy it in the shop: http://www.kubuntu.de/shop/catalog/index.php?cPath=30
[03:04] <ICXCNIKA> I thought it was free?
[03:04] <ICXCNIKA> Like ubuntu
[03:04] <OculusAquilae> for 0,99 
[03:05] <ICXCNIKA> It will take forever to ship from Germany. I might as well download the iso and put it on a cd.
[03:05] <OculusAquilae> i think there are shops selling kubuntu outside germany as well
[03:06] <OculusAquilae> but they are perhaps more expensive 
[03:06] <ICXCNIKA> I have considered other distributions that have KDE.
[03:06] <tga> hey
[03:06] <OculusAquilae> hi tga
[03:07] <OculusAquilae> ICXCNIKA: there are other good kde-distros too, but i think kubuntu is the best :-)
[03:07] <ICXCNIKA> Well I am pretty new to Linux altogether.
[03:07] <tga> what utf-8 Sans font are you guys using? FreeSans looks ugly after antialiasing
[03:08] <tga> the default one looks alright but lacks a few characters I need
[03:09] <OculusAquilae> tga: i use bitstream vera sans
[03:11] <tga> it's not a proper utf-8 font, I get a bunch of squares instead of certain characters
[03:11] <OculusAquilae> hm
[03:11] <OculusAquilae> tga: right
[03:12] <tga> FreeSans has all the right charactes but doesn't antialias quite right
[03:12] <tga> characters rather
[03:13] <OculusAquilae> hm
[03:13] <tga> for gtk I use "Sans" but it doesn't show up in the kde font list
[03:13] <OculusAquilae> tga: have you tried nimbus sans
[03:14] <tga> hmm it seems alright
[03:15] <tga> I think I'll stick with it for now
[03:15] <tga> thanks
[03:16] <OculusAquilae> np
[03:16] <tga> hmm.. kopete doesn't respect the system font
[03:17] <OculusAquilae> i would like to have firefox extensions support in konqueror, but that seems difficult for me :-)
[03:18] <tga> any idea why Monospace has utf chars in the gtk font selector but not in the kde one?
[03:19] <OculusAquilae> tga: you can download the "Plastikfox Crystal SVG"-FF-Style, which lets firefox look like a plastik app
[03:20] <tga> nice
[03:21] <tga> alright, thanks
[03:21] <tga> cheers
[04:10] <buz> hows breezy shaping up? ready for real work?
[04:10] <apokryphos> buz: X still broken, apparently
[04:11] <buz> i think i'll wait until a RC is here then
[04:11] <buz> and pray the RC wont trash my kmenu like the hoary RC to final transitiion
[04:11] <buz> did
[04:18] <Riggzy> Hmm, I just ripped a VOB off a DVD yesterday, played abck fine, but now when I try to play it it just shows solid blue
[04:19] <Riggzy> Any ideas?
[04:20] <buz> did you do anything to it
[04:20] <Riggzy> just rpped it with dvd::rip
[04:20] <Riggzy> playing straight from the DVD works fine
[04:20] <buz> mhh thats pretty weird
[04:21] <buz> vobs should usually play just fine
[04:21] <buz> what player
[04:21] <Riggzy> all of em... MPlayer, Kaffiene, VLC...
[04:22] <Riggzy> AH hold on
[04:22] <Riggzy> VLC works (just tried it again)
[04:22] <Riggzy> ...and then it magically stopped working
[04:25] <Riggzy> Woah, this is strange... if I open the video twice, it works in the second player o.O
[04:25] <buz> is there any way to open password protected pdfs in kpdf
[04:27] <Will_> <-converted. Gnome is just not as nice as kde
[04:35] <luminerd> Hello!  I am having a problem on a fresh install of Kubuntu.  It is with my PS/2 mouse.  I checked the modules, and sure enough, PSMOUSE is loaded.  I tryed cating and oding /dev/psaux...no reply.  Someone here yesterday told me to download GPM, but someone elsewhere told me that GPM wouldn't help me since I'm not getting a reply anyway.  Can someone help me out please?
[04:39] <luminerd> I could start begging for help right now, but I don't suppose it would do what I'd want it to...which is display my sense of urgency.  I have 25 PC's that were supposed to be running this morning, but I have to get them running ASAP.  I know you guys do this for free and nobody requires you to do anything...but I would REALLY appreciate the help :)
[04:40] <buz> mhh i doubt many in here are using ps2 mice
[04:40] <buz> i know mine is usb
[04:40] <buz> did you try an usb mouse
[04:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> luminerd: is it right in xorg.conf?
[04:40] <apokryphos> buz: I'd bet more are using ps2 mice in here than anything else
[04:40] <luminerd> Kamping_Kaiser, I'm not even sure...it is a fresh install...
[04:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> luminerd: better check :o
[04:40] <buz> i havent seen ps2 mice in  al ong time
[04:41] <apokryphos> luminerd: do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg 
[04:41] <luminerd> buz, well we got PS/2 mice with the new systems so I'd much prefer to use them.
[04:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> buz, you mean mice used as ps2, or actual ps2 mice?
[04:41] <luminerd> apokryphos, sure
[04:41] <luminerd> Kamping_Kaiser, umm, they are non-USB, ps/2 ported mice...not like a playstation two?
[04:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> luminerd: i don't know playstation - I'm an elietist non-console gamer ;)
[04:42] <apokryphos> ps/2 mice is nothing to with Playstation :P
[04:43] <luminerd> Kamping_Kaiser, lol, sorry...
[04:43] <luminerd> apokryphos, yea, I am confused heh
[04:43] <luminerd> apokryphos, alright I ran the sudo line you told me to run....it's asking me to select a desired X server driver.
[04:43] <apokryphos> luminerd: this is to reconfigure your entire X; at one point, it will ask for the mouse stuff
[04:44] <luminerd> By the way the mouse works on other machines
[04:44] <luminerd> apokryphos, well I'm not sure what to select here
[04:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> what's the question luminerd?
[04:45] <apokryphos> luminerd: do you have NVidia? ATI? 
[04:45] <luminerd> apokryphos, considering the graphics driver is nVidia
[04:45] <luminerd> is it nv?
[04:45] <apokryphos> luminerd: no, if you've *installed* the nvidia driver, go for "nvidia"
[04:45] <apokryphos> below nv
[04:45] <luminerd> apokryphos, it's not there
[04:45] <luminerd> I didn't install anything, it's fresh
[04:45] <apokryphos> You haven't installed it then. Follow these instructions...
[04:45] <apokryphos> !nvidia
[04:45] <ubotu> [nvidia]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:46] <luminerd> should I install an nvidia driver?
[04:46] <luminerd> oy
[04:46] <luminerd> so I should control-C it and redo when I have the nVidia driver?
[04:46] <apokryphos> Yup. Very simple; you can just fetch it from the repositories
[04:46] <apokryphos> Yes
[04:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> don't bother
[04:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> just do the freeking reconfigure
[04:47] <apokryphos> Ctrl-C may not do it, if not... just close. It shouldn't change anything; I believe it writes all the config settings later on
[04:47] <luminerd> apokryphos, with command line only?
[04:47] <antrix> !list
[04:47] <ubotu> somebody said list was at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuFactoids
[04:47] <apokryphos> Kamping_Kaiser: might as well get the nvidia stuff done
[04:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes, tow options at the end
[04:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> just hack the file afterward
[04:48] <luminerd> apokryphos, ok, how do I close this?
[04:48] <apokryphos> Kamping_Kaiser: hacking the file won't add monitor specific settings, which would be a pain by just editing xorg.conf. dpkg-reconfigure can restore these
[04:48] <apokryphos> luminerd: just alt+f4
[04:48] <luminerd> oh wow lol
[04:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> i used dpkg then hacked the file to do what i want - moreor less
[04:48] <luminerd> oh no...
[04:48] <luminerd> that took me to tty4...
[04:49] <luminerd> apokryphos, I'm not in X
[04:49] <apokryphos> Kamping_Kaiser: sure, but that won't be ideal for everyone
[04:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh true :)
[04:49] <apokryphos> luminerd: ohh, heh, you shoulda said. No worries; one sec.
[04:49] <luminerd> sorry
[04:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> not ideal for me ;)
[04:49] <luminerd> hehe
[04:49] <apokryphos> luminerd: install nvidia-glx
[04:50] <luminerd> apokryphos, eh?
[04:50] <luminerd> apokryphos, how do I get out of this configure page first?
[04:50] <apokryphos> luminerd: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[04:50] <luminerd> well ok but...
[04:50] <buz> huuuh
[04:50] <apokryphos> luminerd: hm, you could just go to another session
[04:50] <buz> apt-get update gets new kde packages??
[04:50] <luminerd> ohk, but will it add it to the list when I get it in realtime, or will I have to re-view the program for it to?
[04:51] <apokryphos> luminerd: not sure what you're talking about...
[04:51] <luminerd> apokryphos, lol nvm, I guess I'll find out
[04:51] <apokryphos> buz: you mean upgrade? Yeah, bugfixes to the packages, most likely
[04:51] <buz> yeah upgrade
[04:51] <luminerd> apokryphos, it didn't add it to the list...
[04:51] <buz> i'll just install it
[04:51] <apokryphos> luminerd: wait, you have to do more
[04:52] <luminerd> ah, ok
[04:52] <apokryphos> luminerd: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[04:52] <luminerd> apokryphos, error...
[04:52] <apokryphos> You may have to exit, and relogin for it to detect the settings.. not sure.
[04:52] <apokryphos> output?
[04:52] <luminerd> apokryphos,  DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process
[04:53] <apokryphos> d'oh -- the other dpkg-recongigure is likely using it
[04:53] <apokryphos> hm
[04:53] <luminerd> lol
[04:53] <luminerd> how do I close it?
[04:53] <luminerd> I'm used to control-c, control-x, or control-z doing the trick...usually one works...but not this time lol
[04:55] <apokryphos> luminerd: there's likely a lock file, but not so sure if we'd really wanna delete that now, as things are genuinely running
[04:55] <luminerd> well I'll just reboot k?
[04:55] <apokryphos> luminerd: for now it might be worth just using a generic driver, to seeing if your mouse stuff would really work
[04:55] <apokryphos> (since that's the key issue here)
[04:56] <buz> looks like i download the debs faster than they get uploaded
[04:56] <luminerd> apokryphos, I think the video card's not working either...
[04:56] <buz> run out of stuff to download twice already
[04:56] <apokryphos> luminerd: your X doesn't work?
[04:56] <luminerd> because the view of KDE looks 600x480 or so
[04:56] <apokryphos> luminerd: that's fine -- that's easily fixable later.
[04:56] <luminerd> ok
[04:56] <luminerd> uh
[04:56] <apokryphos> luminerd: so just use something like nv or vesa for now
[04:56] <luminerd> well I got myself past a lot of screens in the X config screen trying to get out of it
[04:56] <luminerd> heh
[04:56] <apokryphos> and go through the rest of the steps
[04:57] <luminerd> yea I already screwed it up though
[04:57] <luminerd> this config definitely won't work
[04:57] <apokryphos> how so?
[04:57] <luminerd> in fact it won't even let me type anymore XD
[04:58] <luminerd> well I accidentally hit enter a few times and ESC seemed to do something bad to it.
[04:58] <luminerd> now I can't type in it
[04:58] <luminerd> I'm just gonna reboot :-P
[04:58] <apokryphos> :|
[04:58] <apokryphos> ok
[05:00] <luminerd> apokryphos, rebooting must be worth SOMETHING...after all, it's what the M$ support team has been getting millions to say all along..."Umm...I donno..reboot..that should fix it."
[05:00] <luminerd> ok apokryphos 
[05:00] <luminerd> I'm rebooted.
[05:00] <apokryphos> UNIX shouldn't ever have to though
[05:00] <luminerd> yea lol I'm sure it was an easy fix but
[05:00] <apokryphos> it's not quite the same at all, but here it's just a lazy option :P
[05:00] <luminerd> the research would've taken longer
[05:01] <luminerd> lol yea
[05:01] <luminerd> anyway
[05:01] <luminerd> what now?
[05:01] <luminerd> run the enable command?
[05:01] <apokryphos> luminerd: if you've installed nvidia-glx, yes
[05:02] <luminerd> warning: your X config. has been succesfully changed.  In order to take full advantage of the changes, X must be restarted.
[05:02] <luminerd> that is what it said when I enabled it
[05:02] <apokryphos> X isn't running, so that's fine.
[05:02] <luminerd> actually it is
[05:02] <luminerd> in tty7
[05:02] <luminerd> err, I guess it's not a tty
[05:02] <luminerd> but alt-F7 puts me in a login manager
[05:03] <apokryphos> Ok, restart that X
[05:03] <luminerd> uhh...how?
[05:03] <luminerd> with keys only that is
[05:03] <apokryphos> Ctrl+Alt+Backspace
[05:03] <luminerd> ah ok
[05:03] <luminerd> cool
[05:03] <luminerd> SWEET!
[05:03] <apokryphos> luminerd: it should show Nvidia screen if it's successful
[05:03] <luminerd> OK! Now it's working!!!
[05:03] <luminerd> shweet!
[05:03] <luminerd> that was AWESOME!
[05:03] <apokryphos> the mouse?
[05:03] <luminerd> no not the mouse
[05:03] <apokryphos> hehe
[05:04] <luminerd> but the screen is like 10x bigger
[05:04] <luminerd> lol
[05:04] <luminerd> I love high res
[05:04] <luminerd> anyway
[05:04] <apokryphos> Worth logging in now
[05:04] <luminerd> back to the mouse thing...and I'll try to stop typing like I'm on AOL IMing...I hate it when other people do that XD
[05:04] <luminerd> apokryphos, log in in a new tty or the X screen?
[05:05] <apokryphos> Sure
[05:05] <luminerd> btw, I was referancing the short statements I was making in succession...realized that could be unclear
[05:05] <luminerd> apokryphos, which?
[05:05] <apokryphos> luminerd: in X
[05:05] <apokryphos> you'll have to restart it though anyway
[05:05] <apokryphos> either is fine I guess
[05:06] <luminerd> ok uh...
[05:06] <luminerd> well what is my task?
[05:06] <apokryphos> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg now 
[05:06] <luminerd> ah, ok
[05:06] <luminerd> I'll just do it in the tty that I did the nvidia enable in
[05:06] <apokryphos> ok
[05:06] <apokryphos> make sure you select "nvidia2
[05:07] <apokryphos> "nvidia"
[05:07] <luminerd> yea
[05:07] <luminerd> thanks
[05:07] <luminerd> bus identifier?
[05:07] <luminerd> should i use what's there?  PCI:1:0:0
[05:07] <Almindor> firefox extensions don't work with the prepackaged version
[05:08] <Almindor> I mean 1.0.6
[05:08] <luminerd> err...
[05:08] <Almindor> they install, but don't do anything ;(
[05:08] <luminerd> oh
[05:08] <luminerd> lol
[05:08] <Almindor> I tried manual new version, that one works
[05:08] <luminerd> I thought Almindor was apokryphos for a moment :P
[05:08] <apokryphos> luminerd: hm, not quite sure. I believe I have PCI:3:0:0
[05:08] <Almindor> also, why is the prepackaged version to KDEubuntu a GNOME version?
[05:08] <luminerd> apokryphos, well uh...the thing that's there right now looks to be working aight..so should I just leave it?
[05:09] <buz> Almindor: it isnt
[05:09] <Almindor> buz, it is
[05:09] <buz> kubuntu comes natively with kde
[05:09] <apokryphos> luminerd: ok
[05:09] <Almindor> if you install firefox manualy, you get nice KDE window on "save as"
[05:09] <Almindor> if you do pacakges, you get an ugly gnomeish window
[05:09] <buz> well firefox QT doesnt really exist these days
[05:09] <luminerd> apokryphos, now it wants the amount of memory in kb to be used by the vid card?
[05:10] <Almindor> buz, how come the version from mozilla works ok?
[05:10] <buz> there supposedly is a port in the works but it nobody could get it to work so far
[05:10] <apokryphos> I just press "No" on that, I think. Or leave it out
[05:10] <buz> works like what
[05:10] <luminerd> apokryphos, ok thanks
[05:10] <luminerd> apokryphos, use kernel framebuffer device interface?
[05:10] <Almindor> buz, works like QT
[05:10] <apokryphos> luminerd: use the default
[05:10] <Almindor> buz, also extentions
[05:10] <buz> mhh didnt look like qt at all for me
[05:10] <luminerd> apokryphos, ok
[05:11] <luminerd> keyboard layout...us?
[05:11] <luminerd> oh yea
[05:11] <buz> firefox is gtk app
[05:11] <luminerd> it says it
[05:11] <luminerd> lol
[05:11] <luminerd> and I'm back to the aol chat...I've got to quit that.
[05:11] <Almindor> buz, I'll make screenshots for you
[05:11] <buz> yeah
[05:11] <luminerd> apokryphos, what's my keyboard model?
[05:12] <nikkia> apokryphos: !
[05:12] <apokryphos> nikkia: hey! :)
[05:12] <nikkia> apokryphos: bulldog messed up, again
[05:12] <apokryphos> nikkia: :|
[05:12] <nikkia> apokryphos: instead of the 50 binatone POS they were supposed to send....
[05:12] <apokryphos> oh no..
[05:12] <nikkia> they sent a Actiontec 802.11g/ethernet/usb modem
[05:12] <luminerd> apokryphos, well it's asking for 101key, or pc101...I have a standard windoze keyboard...would that be pc104?
[05:12] <nikkia> that appears to be actually a cunningly disguised linux/bsd box
[05:13] <buz> pc104 or 105
[05:13] <apokryphos> hahaha
[05:13] <buz> well good for you
[05:13] <buz> i only ever get shittier hardware than i should
[05:13] <nikkia> apokryphos: 
[05:14] <luminerd> apokryphos, it says users of US english keyboards should generally enter pc104, and buz said it (thanks :)) so I'll go with it
[05:14] <luminerd> should work anyway
[05:14] <nikkia> Connected to 192.168.1.254.
[05:14] <nikkia> BusyBox on dslmodem login: admin
[05:14] <nikkia> Password:
[05:14] <apokryphos> nikkia: epicrouter!
[05:14] <buz> cool
[05:14] <buz> my wrt54 runs busybox too
[05:15] <luminerd> apokryphos, ok, now the important part
[05:15] <luminerd> apokryphos, attempt mouse device autodetection?
[05:15] <apokryphos> sure
[05:15] <nikkia> apokryphos: now, the next trick is, can i get it to act as my IPv6 tunnel ?
[05:15] <Almindor> buz, http://members.chello.sk/ales/ff-gtk.jpg
[05:15] <luminerd> apokryphos, oh crap...it got it?
[05:15] <luminerd> I hope it works
[05:15] <Almindor> buz, http://members.chello.sk/ales/ff-qt.jpg
[05:15] <Almindor> buz, the -qt one is from mozilla page, manual install, the ugly GTK one is from packages
[05:16] <buz> that is very weird
[05:16] <buz> the one from mozilla used gtk for me as well
[05:16] <Almindor> buz, and no firefox isn't qt
[05:16] <apokryphos> nikkia: so they sent you the router instead? Worth more, surely?
[05:16] <buz> maybe you have gtk-qt active for one of them?
[05:16] <Almindor> buz, firefox uses javaskript for GUI IIRC
[05:16] <Almindor> script :D
[05:16] <nikkia> apokryphos: the binatone is a 'router'
[05:16] <buz> yeah but below that, it currently uses GTK to draw stuff
[05:16] <Almindor> buz, depends on what libs it has
[05:17] <luminerd> apokryphos, now it wants me to choose my mouse port...would that be /dev/input/mice?
[05:17] <nikkia> apokryphos: both are 1 port, but this has wireless built in, whereas the binatone is ether/usb only
[05:17] <Almindor> buz, "active" ?
[05:17] <buz> well on win it uses win api, on osx aqua
[05:17] <apokryphos> luminerd: generally, yes.
[05:17] <luminerd> I think it's psaux but doesn't mice refer to any of them or something?
[05:17] <luminerd> I donno
[05:17] <buz> as in installed
[05:17] <buz> tho gtk qt sometimes works for me, sometimes not, yet is installed all the time
[05:17] <luminerd> /dev/input/mice is the default, and it wasn't working before....
[05:17] <apokryphos> nikkia: so a mistake in your benefit, we hope :P
[05:17] <buz> pretty weird piece of code in any case
[05:17] <luminerd> so uh, what would you think?
[05:17] <nikkia> apokryphos: its really funny too
[05:17] <Almindor> buz, I hate gtk itself installed
[05:17] <apokryphos> luminerd: try it, if it doesn't work, just reconfigure
[05:17] <luminerd> k
[05:17] <Almindor> buz, I'll check for gtk-qt
[05:17] <nikkia> apokryphos: they obviously opened the box to put the *single* filter in with the modem
[05:17] <buz> well you'll bloody have to to use firefox in any case
[05:18] <apokryphos> nikkia: oh, how many were there?
[05:18] <buz> gtk-qt is just some small layer, gtk is still needed
[05:18] <luminerd> emulate 3-button mouse...I thought that was for laptops?
[05:18] <nikkia> apokryphos: so, why on earth they have my invoiced for a binatone, when the box clearly contains a actiontec
[05:18] <nikkia> apokryphos: *1*
[05:18] <Almindor> buz, question is if I want to use the packaged one or the manual one
[05:18] <nikkia> apokryphos: i already have 3 tho, that i bought on monday
[05:18] <apokryphos> Phew, cool.
[05:18] <luminerd> apokryphos, should I say no?
[05:18] <buz> i regularly use both
[05:18] <buz> which ever is current ;)
[05:18] <nikkia> apokryphos: i knew it was going to be an issue, because...
[05:18] <nikkia> i have 2 phones + sky + modem hooked up
[05:18] <luminerd> apokryphos, yes was default but I see no need since I *have* a middle mouse.
[05:18] <apokryphos> luminerd: up to you :)
[05:18] <luminerd> lol ok
[05:19] <nikkia> apokryphos: and i knew that 1 or 2 filters wouldn't be enough to cover the 10m extension to the second phone
[05:19] <nikkia> cos all the filters sold in the UK are RJ11/BT split
[05:19] <nikkia> (US filters are inline RJ11<>RJ11)
[05:20] <luminerd> apokryphos, enable scroll events from mouse wheel?
[05:21] <luminerd> I assume that's a yes but I don't fully understand it and don't want to fsck my system. lol
[05:21] <nikkia> yep, definitely a linux box
[05:21] <nikkia> MIPS R4000E by the looks of it
[05:21] <apokryphos> luminerd: it's asking to use a mouse scroll...
[05:21] <luminerd> apokryphos, uh..what is one? lol
[05:22] <nikkia> apokryphos: 2.4.17 :)
[05:22] <apokryphos> hehe
[05:22] <apokryphos> luminerd: a thing normally in the middle of two mouse buttons that lets you scroll up and down
[05:22] <luminerd> apokryphos, yea..ok I'm lost..I'll just enable it since that's default
[05:23] <apokryphos> Kind of useless if you don't have the scroll on your mouse..
[05:23] <luminerd> apokryphos, I do have one
[05:23] <luminerd> but ok
[05:23] <apokryphos> nikkia: you read the latest TUX issue?
[05:23] <luminerd> anyway
[05:23] <nikkia> apokryphos: nope
[05:24] <luminerd> apokryphos, what modules should I enable?  All the defaults?  GLcore isn't checked, nor is v4l, do I not need these?  the others are all checked
[05:24] <apokryphos> nikkia: some interesting stuff. There's a guy talking about the distro reviews. Funny since in one sentence he dismisses Gentoo and Slackware as distros anyone should use.
[05:24] <apokryphos> nikkia: dismisses Ubuntu since it didn't have the latest version of firefox on some particular day
[05:24] <apokryphos> luminerd: just skip and go on
[05:25] <nikkia> apokryphos: hmm
[05:25] <nikkia> apokryphos: i sort of understand his point, in a way
[05:25] <apokryphos> you can't take one package as being reflective of an entire repository
[05:25] <luminerd> apokryphos, ok, write default files section to configuration file?
[05:26] <luminerd> says in most cases it should be enabled...am I a 'most' case?
[05:26] <apokryphos> yes
[05:26] <luminerd> k
[05:26] <luminerd> apokryphos, DRI?
[05:26] <apokryphos> luminerd: ?
[05:27] <luminerd> apokryphos, write default DRI section to config file?  again says should be enabled lol
[05:27] <apokryphos> yes
[05:27] <luminerd> should I just go with all the defaults?
[05:27] <apokryphos> generally, yes.
[05:27] <luminerd> now it wants an identifier for my monitor...default again?
[05:28] <nikkia> apokryphos: http://www.actiontec.com/support/wireless/gwap.html  <- thats the modem
[05:28] <apokryphos> luminerd: well, do you want it to make specific alterations for your exact monitor model
[05:29] <luminerd> apokryphos, eh?
[05:29] <luminerd> not a clue man, I'll go with the default
[05:29] <apokryphos> nikkia: heh. Looks a lot like my old one
[05:29] <nikkia> apokryphos: the next trick is working out htf to cross compile apps for it :)
[05:29] <nikkia> apokryphos: in particular, my IPv6 tunnel :)
[05:29] <buz> mhh you could look for linksys wrt54 howtos
[05:29] <buz> i think it uses mips core as well
[05:29] <nikkia> buz, is it likely to be identical hardware tho ?
[05:30] <buz> could be
[05:30] <luminerd> apokryphos, are the default video modes good too?
[05:30] <buz> you know what wireless yours has?
[05:30] <buz> however, the linksys is only router, not modem
[05:30] <nikkia> buz, i was thinking if i pulled all of /lib off it, and built gcc 2.95 for the right target, it should be enough
[05:30] <nikkia> ah, but i'd be missing /usr/include, gah
[05:31] <nikkia> buz, i'm guessing TI
[05:31] <nikkia> buz, given:
[05:31] <nikkia> tiwlan0   Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:0F:B3:88:83:67
[05:31] <nikkia>           UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[05:31] <buz> mhh mine is broadcom i think
[05:32] <apokryphos> luminerd: all issues that should be handled generally later. We wanna get your mouse sorted, essentially
[05:32] <luminerd> ok
[05:33] <luminerd> apokryphos, ok, I'm through it a
[05:33] <buz> ubuntu really could do with a good X configure tool
[05:33] <luminerd> *all...should I restart X and hope my mouse works?
[05:33] <apokryphos> Basically, yeah.
[05:34] <luminerd> apokryphos, negative
[05:34] <nikkia> heh, cool
[05:34] <apokryphos> luminerd: you restarted your X?
[05:34] <luminerd> apokryphos, yea
[05:34] <nikkia> its firewall is, surprise surprise, iptables
[05:35] <apokryphos> luminerd: ok, then try altering the mouse configurations and/or trying in #ubuntu -- more likely to have luck in there with such issues, as they're not kubuntu-specific
[05:35] <luminerd> apokryphos, ok, but every time I ask in there they ignore me :/
[05:42] <Almindor> buz, I've asked a bit on #firefox and it seems I am right
[05:42] <luminerd> apokryphos, :( thanks for the help, even though it didn't turn out workin
[05:42] <buz> weird
[05:42] <buz> i never got to see qt menus
[05:42] <Almindor> buz, it depends on who and how the configure script is done
[05:42] <Almindor> buz, so the packagers of UBUNTU used -gtk
[05:43] <Almindor> buz, I guess kubuntu needs a separate package
[05:45] <buz> iirc, hussamn tried with qt and it failed
[05:45] <Almindor> I think the one for "linux" from mozilla must have both
[05:45] <Almindor> and it decides runtime
[05:46] <Almindor> should be possible with dynamic loading
[05:46] <buz> could be
[05:46] <buz> but according to what
[05:46] <Almindor> I guess QT is sort of "higher"  I dunno
[05:47] <Almindor> so it goes down the list like "try qt" then if fail "try gtk2"
[05:47] <Almindor> might be the installer does that part
[05:48] <Almindor> I always wondered why linux version was 2x size of win32 version of firefox :)
[05:49] <slicslak> can a group be added to a group in /etc/group or just users?
[05:50] <Almindor> buz, a different topic now: how do I tell konqueror to open packed files(zip etc) in itself?(not in ark)
[05:59] <luminerd> this sucks :(
[06:22] <buz> *droool* i want an athlonx2 3800+
[06:22] <buz> 350$ is still way too much though
[06:23] <apokryphos> buz: x2? Haven't heard of it. All about AMD64s now, though :P
[06:23] <buz> that's dual core amd64 for you ;)
[06:23] <buz> times two you know ;)
[06:24] <apokryphos> buz: oh, dual processor?
[06:24] <buz> dual core
[06:24] <buz> stick one on your mainboard, get instant smp
[06:24] <buz> i wonder if they make any 1u socket939 rack barebones
[06:25] <buz> that would be killer solution for racks
[06:25] <apokryphos> Oh, I see it what it is. Basically dual processor
[06:25] <apokryphos> sounds very cool
[06:25] <apokryphos> still hoping to go all-out for my University computer ;-)
[06:26] <buz> better get a turion64 notebook then
[06:26] <apokryphos> ergh, no laptops for me. 8)
[06:26] <buz> well depends on the uni,r eally
[06:26] <eazel7> hi ppl
[06:27] <eazel7> isn't there kde342 available for amd64?
[06:27] <apokryphos> Desktop computer for the same price will just be so much more superior
[06:27] <eazel7> 'cause I'm compiling it now, but I'd rather to get binary packages
[06:27] <apokryphos> and a PALM seems to solve all arguments about "taking notes in lectures"
[06:27] <apokryphos> (for me, at least)
[06:28] <buz> taking notes on a palm? ye gods
[06:28] <buz> must not be very hard lectures then
[06:28] <apokryphos> eazel7: yes, they're there.
[06:28] <apokryphos> buz: ?
[06:29] <buz> pdas plain suck for taking notes
[06:29] <buz> they're much too smal
[06:29] <apokryphos> buz: it has a real full-size keyboard
[06:29] <buz> wtf
[06:29] <apokryphos> oh, not the pal tops
[06:29] <apokryphos> one sec
[06:29] <nikkia> grrr
[06:29] <apokryphos> buz: a bit like http://www.guardian.co.tt/archives/2004-09-17/bitdepth.html 
[06:30] <apokryphos> buz: a cheaper one though ;-). You can get them for around 20 pounds as I recall
[06:30] <buz> aaah
[06:30] <buz> still to small a screen
[06:30] <wellso> that looks well slick
[06:30] <apokryphos> buz: small screen wouldn't bother me. I don't plan on looking at it
[06:30] <buz> i was wondering about one of those touch sensitive writing things
[06:30] <nikkia> buz, they're ok, i had one, but i bought one too big
[06:31] <nikkia> if i was buying one now, i'd go for a mid size one, small ones are useless, too big is hard to use, so you want one ideally in the 8x6 sort of size
[06:31] <nikkia> a big one might be more useful if you mount it permanently tho
[06:31] <buz> i dont want a drawing tablet
[06:31] <buz> i want one to take to uni with me
[06:32] <buz> they retail for like 100EUR now
[06:32] <nikkia> oh, you mean a 'tablet computer'
[06:32] <buz> no not tablet computer
[06:32] <eazel7> apokryphos where is 'there'?
[06:32] <nikkia> PDA ?
[06:32] <eazel7> apokryphos: 'cause the repository is empty
[06:32] <buz> it's more like small tablet to put your paper on 
[06:32] <nikkia> buz, oh, those things
[06:32] <buz> at the same time, it's also touch sensitive and saves what you write
[06:32] <nikkia> buz, i'd rather have a decent PDA
[06:32] <buz> i had one
[06:32] <buz> they suck for uni
[06:32] <buz> screens too small
[06:33] <buz> and tablet pc only run with XP
[06:33] <apokryphos> eazel7: http://ubuntu.packages.com/kdebase
[06:34] <eazel7> apokryphos: I'm looking for the hoary-upadtes
[06:34] <apokryphos> eazel7: heh, oh wait, momentary confusion. Do you have the latest repository? If it's not there then it's not out yet, no.
[06:35] <eazel7> apokryphos: I'm using the kubuntu.org repository
[06:35] <apokryphos> eazel7: there's several. Which one?
[06:35] <apokryphos> !kde342
[06:35] <ubotu> rumour has it, kde342 is at http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php
[06:38] <_droid_> any tried upgrading to kde342 with the packages just given
[06:38] <_droid_> ?
[06:39] <eazel7> yup
[06:39] <apokryphos> _droid_: tried earlier; apparently problems with kpilot package
[06:39] <eazel7> the Packages.gz isn't there, and no amd64 debs in the pool
[06:41] <_droid_> I was about to try it
[06:41] <_droid_> thanks
[06:41] <_droid_> anyother problems?
[06:45] <eazel7> no, I've found that the build dependences of libartsc0 are further than the version in the kubuntu sources repository, so I'm getting the breezy one
[06:45] <eazel7> but I don't want to use packages from breezy
[06:45] <eazel7> as less as possible, no X-related breezy packages are wanted here ;)=
[06:48] <_droid_> well I have fired up my test box and am in the process of running a upgrade
[06:48] <eazel7> I've just compiled all qt3 and it was useless ...
[06:51] <eazel7> ok, gonna use the breezy's kde
[06:52] <Fraeon> I was talking about breezy badger with my family and they thought I was talking about something obscene :o
[06:52] <mart> eazel7: you're gonna have fun mixing up c++ packages :)
[06:53] <_droid_> he is going to a have a royal "stew"
[06:53] <mart> :)
[06:57] <eazel7> mart perhaps, maybe
[06:57] <eazel7> mart but I've done that before
[06:57] <eazel7> mart I can do it again ;)
[06:58] <mart> eazel7: see, if I said that, it would be a case of "famous last words"...
[06:59] <eazel7> eazel7 hehehe
[07:00] <eazel7> eazel7 I've been judging with the divine's finger which packages will be in my install, excluding all breezy's X libraries, not easy!
[07:00] <mart> eazel7: but not figured out how to stop your name appearing twice in IRC? :)
[07:01] <eazel7> yes, stop pressing tab would be a nice way
[07:01] <eazel7> bitchx's a bitch with me
[07:02] <mart> wow, but your name isn't "I'm too lame to read bitchx.doc" so you must be doing something right
[07:09] <eazel7> hahaha
[07:10] <eazel7> I'm too lame to spend time in bitchx
[07:15] <jjesse> why not use konverstation instead of bitchx it seems a whole lot easier :)
[07:16] <eazel7> jjesse why not to try getting the kde 3.4.2 working under amd64
[07:16] <eazel7> some packages are in breezy, others in the kubuntu mirror sources...
[07:17] <eazel7> and I want to use the hoary... well, damn...
[07:17] <jjesse> ls
[07:17] <jjesse> doh sorr ybout that
[07:17] <eazel7> it's ok
[07:20] <_droid_> just upgrades to the new kde and everything seem fine
[07:21] <_droid_> the problem I had with kmail connections problems with an IMAP server - breaking from time to time seems to be gone
[07:25] <eazel7> I don't get it, why breezy is so messy? how did it get there?
[07:27] <jpatrick> it's in testing
[07:27] <eazel7> yes, it's evident...
[07:29] <supernix> Hi
[07:29] <jpatrick> hi
[07:29] <supernix> does anyone know how to make the Windows key on the keyboard popup the start menu like in windows ?
[07:30] <supernix> wassup jpatrick 
[07:30] <insanekane> supernix: i guess you should use KHtoKeys for that :)
[07:30] <insanekane> KHotKeys
[07:35] <apokryphos> I don't think it's possible actually. Since 3.4 the Win Key functions only to be used in a keycombo, i.e. like Ctrl/Alt
[07:35] <apokryphos> might be though
[07:35] <insanekane> oho
[07:37] <supernix> crap I was messing with KHotKeys and poof the control center died
[07:37] <supernix> exited signal 11
[07:37] <insanekane> hmm
[07:57] <Neo_X_Saibot> hello, what is the repositories url ?
[07:57] <jpatrick> there are loads
[07:58] <Neo_X_Saibot> where ?
[07:58] <jpatrick> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[07:58] <Neo_X_Saibot> thanks
[08:06] <fromoze> Neo_X_Saibot: puede que prefieras la versin de kudos..
[08:06] <fromoze> wrong channel xD
[08:07] <Neo_X_Saibot> kudos ?
[08:07] <Neo_X_Saibot> explicame por que ando nuevo en kubuntu
[08:07] <jpatrick> -> #kubuntu-es
[08:07] <Neo_X_Saibot> okei
[08:25] <blueyed> What about the recent update from kubuntu.org? (deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342 hoary-updates main)
[08:25] <blueyed> Security issues?
[08:25] <blueyed> Recent: today.
[08:27] <mart> blueyed: I didn't hear about anything
[08:28] <blueyed> Then apt-get update, mart :)
[08:28] <mart> blueyed: no, I didn't hear about any security issues
[08:28] <mart> blueyed: besides, aptitude is better :P
[08:30] <mart> blueyed: I use it on the command line mostly.  does synaptic distinguish between automatically installed packages and manually installed packages?
[08:31] <blueyed> mart: I'm not sure, but probably.
[08:31] <blueyed> if you mean manually == 'dpkg -i'
[08:31] <mart> blueyed: no
[08:31] <apokryphos> mart: is it really that useful?
[08:32] <apokryphos> I can't recall of a single time I've ever wanted to find that out
[08:32] <mart> blueyed: I mean remembering which packages it installed to satisfy dependencies, and which were explicitly asked for.  that way, when you remove something you installed, it will also remove the things that it depends on, if they're not used by something else
[08:33] <blueyed> nice, mart, indeed. But Synaptic doesn't do that.
[08:33] <mart> blueyed: very useful, saves having to run deborphan every so often
[08:34] <apokryphos> Hardly seems like an argument to stop using synaptic though. Just a reason on why to remove packages when you want to remove the things it brought in too
[08:35] <eduardo> hola
[08:35] <mart> apokryphos: no, I didn't say not to use synaptic. just that I can't be bothered to do that manually
[08:35] <eduardo> alguien sabe por que kubuntu no se me ha instalado en castellano 
[08:35] <apokryphos> eduardo: #kubuntu-es
[08:35] <eduardo> thx
[08:36] <blueyed> did not know deborphan before..
[08:36] <blueyed> Thanks for the hint.
[08:36] <mart> er, is that safe?
[08:36] <blueyed> maybe.. *g I've done it without the piping before.
[08:36] <mart> or is it conservative?
[08:37] <mart> blueyed: see also debfoster
[08:40] <blueyed> nice, mart. Thanks again.
[08:41] <mart> np
[09:22] <Sputn1k> After nvidia driver install everything works find, but when after install i make pc restart, x's don't work
[09:23] <rob_> can anyone tell me how to get a 'Home' icon on my desktop?
[09:23] <rob_> I think it used to be under the Behaviour->General tab in the desktop options
[09:25] <OculusAquilae> Sputn1k: have you installed it with the drivers from nvidia or from the prepackaged .debs?
[09:26] <Sputn1k> OculusAquilae, nop from .run
[09:26] <OculusAquilae> because i've the same problem, when i take the nvidia-packages from nvidia
[09:27] <Sputn1k> hmm with 2.6.10 kernel+nvidia .deb packages
[09:27] <Sputn1k> everything find
[09:27] <Sputn1k> but with 2.6.12
[09:27] <OculusAquilae> the ubuntu packages nvidia-glx, nvidia-glx-dev and nvidia-settings work
[09:27] <Sputn1k> nvidia deb dont work
[09:27] <OculusAquilae> ah
[09:27] <OculusAquilae> you have 2.6.12
[09:27] <Sputn1k> yes
[09:27] <OculusAquilae> from breezy or from the hoary debs?
[09:28] <Sputn1k> i compiled kernel manualy
[09:28] <OculusAquilae> hm
[09:29] <Sputn1k> i trying to fix this problem all day
[09:29] <OculusAquilae> i've the original hoary kernel and the nvidia .run doesn't work 
[09:29] <Sputn1k> :/
[09:29] <Sputn1k> but orginal horay is only 2.6.10-5
[09:29] <Sputn1k> i think too old
[09:29] <OculusAquilae> :-)
[09:30] <OculusAquilae> very bad problem :-)
[09:31] <Sputn1k> yeah /:
[09:37] <OculusAquilae> Sputn1k: i'll try it again to install this driver
[09:37] <Sputn1k> i think i found an answer:
[09:37] <Sputn1k> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/Official_nVidia
[09:39] <OculusAquilae> i'll try that
[10:04] <wellso> hi ppl
[10:05] <wellso> simple question for someone, how do I get KDE to load a certain app. on start-up?
[10:06] <|rockinnerd|> hey all
[10:06] <pax> wellso: http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kisimlar/tipsntrix.html#otostart
[10:07] <Neo_X_Saibot> what is the apt-get command for upgrade kde, and upgrade the kernel ?
[10:07] <|rockinnerd|> Neo_X_Saibot, /topic
[10:07] <|rockinnerd|> then apt-get update
[10:07] <|rockinnerd|> then apt-get install kde
[10:08] <jpatrick> to upgrade KDE go here: http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php
[10:08] <Neo_X_Saibot> thanks. and the kernel ?
[10:08] <jpatrick> you have to compile it
[10:08] <jpatrick> type 'sudo apt-get install linux-tree' to get the lastest one from Ubuntu.org
[10:09] <|rockinnerd|> then cd /usr/src ; ls
[10:09] <|rockinnerd|> then tar -xjvf tarballforkernel.tar.bz2
[10:09] <jpatrick> what?
[10:10] <|rockinnerd|> fprdm
[10:10] <jpatrick> 'sudo apt-get install linux-tree' does it itself i think
[10:10] <|rockinnerd|> oh.
[10:10] <pax> jpatrick: I got kxdocker to work, resources hog, but looks nice http://ninux.net/files/foo.png
[10:10] <jpatrick> I got it to work
[10:11] <|rockinnerd|> yes
[10:11] <jpatrick> just kept crashing
[10:11] <|rockinnerd|> DANGER WILL  ROBINSON!
[10:11] <jpatrick> I have the same icon and theme :D
[10:12] <pax> no crashes here but it's using 6% of my precious ram!!
[10:12] <|rockinnerd|> Macs are second to linux in my books
[10:12] <|rockinnerd|> but macs kick ass
[10:12] <|rockinnerd|> tho
[10:12] <|rockinnerd|> wb all
[10:13] <jpatrick> macs suck according to my frined
[10:13] <wellso> thanks pax
[10:13] <pax> np
[10:13] <|rockinnerd|> jpatrick, i'm plannin on buying 1 in the near future, why do they suk?
[10:14] <jpatrick> He said his school is throwing out the ones they brought they're so bad
[10:14] <pax> mac suck because I can't afford it :(
[10:14] <|rockinnerd|> the prob with macOS is it has to run each command 3 times, iirc
[10:15] <pax> throwing macs? jpatrick where, can he get one for me? hehe
[10:15] <|rockinnerd|> i'd buy a mac from TerraSoft so i can get YDL on it, but it doesn't support apple's bluetooth or airport
[10:15] <|rockinnerd|> what kind of mac,
[10:15] <|rockinnerd|> (mini, imac, emac, powermac, ibook, powerbook)?
[10:15] <pax> ibook :D
[10:16] <buz> ibooks are crappy quality
[10:16] <buz> my GFs makes weird noises after only half a year
[10:17] <buz> tho for the price, it's probably to be expected
[10:17] <buz> oh and kubuntu cant use airport express
[10:17] <TestMAD> my girlfriends makes wierd noises when she's really happy...
[10:17] <mart> *sigh*
[10:17] <buz> dude, her ibook
[10:17] <pax> hehe
[10:17] <TestMAD> heheh
[10:18] <TestMAD> just ahving fun buz
[10:18] <Choubaka> iBooks make magnificent machines for schoolwork. :)
[10:18] <|rockinnerd|> go to the apple main page now, and look @ their new mouse's marketing schtik
[10:18] <|rockinnerd|> and pr0n
[10:18] <|rockinnerd|> lol
[10:18] <Choubaka> I think you need a powerbook for that.
[10:18] <buz> pr0n? screen's to bad for good pron
[10:18] <Choubaka> more HD space
[10:19] <Choubaka> and you need power to be able to render all the XXX pages.
[10:19] <mart> ... this seems to be a theme in #kubuntu lately...
[10:19] <Choubaka> Hah
[10:19] <TestMAD> what seems to be the theme?
[10:20] <mart> porn
[10:20] <TestMAD> ohh..hehe.
[10:20] <wellso> would be nice
[10:20] <pax> |rockinnerd|: can you not remind me please :(
[10:21] <|rockinnerd|> tht's not too bad 4 a notebook with 1 gig of ram tho
[10:21] <TestMAD> like some one in here said not too long ago.. sudo apt-get install porn
[10:21] <TestMAD> hehe
[10:21] <buz> mhh a pr0n edition of kubuntu would rock :=)
[10:21] <|rockinnerd|> buz: there's GNU/Lesbian Linux
[10:21] <pax> lebian linux 
[10:21] <buz> i know
[10:21] <buz> but i'm not so much into lesbian
[10:21] <|rockinnerd|> porn-get
[10:21] <TestMAD> hehe
[10:21] <buz> seems like a waste to me
[10:22] <pax> naw, it's *art*
[10:22] <pax> I hope we have no kids in the channel
[10:22] <wellso> my minds been corrupted forever
[10:23] <buz> if they are on irc, i take it they've seen pretty much everything, really
[10:23] <pax> fsck /dev/mind
[10:23] <buz> i know i had seen a lot when i was 15 ;)
[10:23] <wellso> buz: lol, too right m8
[10:23] <|rockinnerd|> chris@cataclysmicearthquake:~$ cd / ; touch my_ass
[10:23] <|rockinnerd|> touch: cannot touch `my_ass': Permission denied
[10:23] <|rockinnerd|> chris@cataclysmicearthquake:/$
[10:23] <TestMAD> hehe
[10:23] <buz> these days not even tubgirl scares me anymore
[10:24] <buz> must have gotten imune
[10:24] <buz> which is good, as a friend of mine keeps sending me that sort of links
[10:24] <TestMAD> back before tubgirl got her site..it was a shock to see.
[10:24] <TestMAD> but now its like..ehh...whatevewr makes you happy
[10:24] <Choubaka> There's always something worse.
[10:25] <TestMAD> like www.ratemypoo.com
[10:25] <TestMAD> thats kinda sick and funny
[10:25] <TestMAD> all in one
[10:25] <|rockinnerd|> no soliciting 
[10:25] <|rockinnerd|> lol
[10:25] <TestMAD> im not soliciting..
[10:25] <wellso> Choubaka: yeah, you think it reached its peak of sickness, but its only just started
[10:25] <TestMAD> im just saying..its sick cus of the content..but funny cus ppl actually post to it
[10:25] <pax> TestMAD: easy man, want me to click on that stuff?! you know I can't resist
[10:26] <TestMAD> hehe
[10:26] <|rockinnerd|> i wish f4l would be done!
[10:26] <TestMAD> a friend of mine, after seeing the poo site, was gonna start one for ladies called ratemypad.
[10:26] <TestMAD> and that was just a gross idea
[10:26] <wellso> lol
[10:27] <TestMAD> needless to say..i dont talk to him much anymore
[10:27] <pax> your friend is brain damaged!
[10:27] <TestMAD> yea
[10:27] <wellso> i bet he's makin a fortune of google adwords lol
[10:27] <TestMAD> i coulda told you that
[10:27] <TestMAD> he never made it..it was just an idea hea had
[10:28] <Choubaka> He's a freak.
[10:28] <gdh> The canonical one of those 'rate' sites is ... www.amibiosornot.com
[10:28] <Choubaka> Tell him that, and he'll take it as a compliment.
[10:28] <wellso> lol bizzarre tangent i agree
[10:28] <buz> seems fun to me
[10:28] <TestMAD> heh
[10:29] <wellso> gdh: what am I rating these motherboards for?
[10:29] <buz> as it says, amibios or not ;)
[10:30] <gdh> wellso: The joke is in the URL ... it's a parody of 'www.amihotornot.com'
[10:30] <slicslak> can i upgrade an app while i'm running it?
[10:30] <gdh> (now defunct)
[10:30] <wellso> lol i was clicking away happily
[10:30] <buz> that site gets my "stupidest site of the day" award
[10:30] <gdh> little amuses the simple :)
[10:30] <pax> this is how your ubuntu should look like guys :P http://ninux.net/files/foo.png 
[10:30] <|rockinnerd|> slicslak, no
[10:30] <pax> kubuntu*
[10:30] <gdh> slicslak: Yes, you won't see the new version until you restartit, of course.
[10:31] <slicslak> but i won't experience any problems in the mean time
[10:31] <buz> ye gods, i hate baghira
[10:31] <Choubaka> pax: That's just a bad OS X lookalike :(
[10:31] <pax> :(
[10:31] <wellso> is that ur actual system pax?
[10:31] <pax> wellso: yes
[10:31] <buz> i cant stand the metal look
[10:31] <Choubaka> OK, it's not exactly bad.
[10:31] <slicslak> i know gentoo you can upgrade apps all you want with no damage, i'm just wondering if apt-get is the same
[10:31] <buz> what is it with the thing
[10:31] <wellso> how did you get that MacOs style malarky downt he bottom
[10:31] <|rockinnerd|> slicslak, yes it's the same thing
[10:32] <slicslak> |rockinnerd|, thx
[10:32] <pax> wellso: kxdocker
[10:32] <wellso> yeah, apt-get rocks
[10:32] <|rockinnerd|> Wellso, it's an app; look @ kde-look.org
[10:32] <malte> does mplayer from ftp://ftp.nerim.net work for you guys?
[10:32] <|rockinnerd|> there's other 1s i think
[10:32] <gdh> malte: mplayer is in multiverse is it not?
[10:32] <buz> malte: it's linked against newer libs as in kubuntu so no
[10:32] <buz> but the multiverse one does
[10:32] <pax> !find mplayer
[10:32] <buz> its not as current
[10:32] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'mplayer' (11 shown): mozilla-mplayer ;; mplayer-386 ;; mplayer-586 ;; mplayer-686 ;; mplayer-custom ;; mplayer-doc ;; mplayer-fonts ;; mplayer-k6 ;; mplayer-k7 ;; mplayer-nogui ;; xmms-xmmplayer.
[10:32] <|rockinnerd|> what brand of nb should i get if i can't get a mac?
[10:33] <slicslak> |rockinnerd|, i'm running an inspiron 9300, everything works nicely.  dell even gave me a nice discount by taking all the software (cept windows) off.
[10:33] <gdh> |rockinnerd|: IBM ThinkPad :)
[10:33] <wellso> my boss has a 9300
[10:33] <|rockinnerd|> slicslak, how?
[10:33] <slicslak> i just asked
[10:33] <wellso> nice laptops
[10:33] <malte> buz: ok, thanks
[10:33] <slicslak> and the dell lady said, ok. here you go.  it's w/ dell small biz though, i'm not sure if their general consumer dept will do the same
[10:33] <gdh> and IBM are at least Linux-friendly, rather than a pack of useless RHEL resellers (Dell)
[10:33] <|rockinnerd|> slicslak, oh.
[10:34] <buz> debian works perfectly on those thinkpads
[10:34] <wellso> did you get all the internal hardware workin on the dell?
[10:34] <buz> theres even a customized debian for thinkpads somewhere at ee.ethz.ch
[10:34] <slicslak> wellso, very nice laptop.  unforutnetly the battery doesn't last long w/ the 17" screen....  :-)
[10:34] <|rockinnerd|> cyberpowerinc.com will let you get a nb with no OS installed
[10:35] <|rockinnerd|> ThinkPad notebooks, ThinkCentre desktops and other PC products are now products of Lenovo.
[10:35] <|rockinnerd|> wtf?
[10:35] <wellso> slicslak: yeah, very true. I liked it, although TBH I don't trust Dell
[10:35] <mart> maybe an HP with kubuntu?
[10:35] <slicslak> wellso, oh?  howcome?
[10:35] <jpatrick> Dell means bit** in Dutch
[10:35] <gdh> Dell are great as long as you don't ever have to contact them afterwards =)
[10:36] <buz> I always thought they missed the first letter. it was certainly meant to be a H
[10:36] <gdh> esp. so if you didn't buy through business.
[10:36] <wellso> slicslak: problems at work with Dell PC's
[10:36] <slicslak> ah
[10:36] <wellso> and people wondering why the HD is fucked
[10:36] <wellso> lol
[10:36] <wellso> you dont wanna max it out
[10:37] <|rockinnerd|> can ibm not install an OS on your HD?
[10:37] <wellso> im gonna shoot ppl, thanks for the help
[10:37] <gdh> wek, good luck
[10:37] <gdh> how's your aim? :)
[10:37] <slicslak> i couldn't ever see buying a desktop from them, i've got local suppliers that are better.  custom build the things, etc.  but for servers and laptops they have treated me nicely thus far.
[10:37] <wellso> slicslak: 9300 is VERY nice I agree
[10:37] <wellso> bye ppl
[10:37] <mart> gdh: you should be shot for that!
[10:37] <gdh> mart: LOL
[10:38] <gdh> Bad grammar is the doorway to bad puns :)
[10:39] <|rockinnerd|> can tablet PC's run linux
[10:39] <mart> probably, but the handwriting recognition sucks
[10:40] <mart> xstroke is about the best you can get
[10:43] <mart> |rockinnerd|: perhaps it's possible to do something with Windows and co-source
[10:43] <mart> s/co-source/co-linux/
[10:44] <gdh> or an on-screen keyboard?
[10:44] <|rockinnerd|> $1628.10 => for a toshiba satelite Tablet
[10:45] <gdh> I tend to get on with those much quicker on a PDA than graffiti et al
[10:45] <mart> dunno, never really used one
[10:46] <gdh> xvkbd - software virtual keyboard for X11
[10:47] <pax> you people are crazy spending that kinda money for laptop when you can run Kubuntu on your $25 toaster
[10:48] <mart> I wouldn't even pay $25 for a toaster :)
[10:48] <gdh> yum :) toasted dragon :)
[10:49] <_kay> Evening :)
[10:49] <pax> mart: you can't run kubuntu on a cheap toaster
[10:49] <_kay> On a bad laptop you can toast too.
[10:49] <pax> heya _kay 
[10:50] <_kay> I decided against PDA.... I am not a person who likes organization
[10:50] <_kay> Don't need addressbook permanently, and I have no schedule for most days... so... not PDA, no toaster.
[10:50] <gdh> _kay: me neither, but it's a cool toy with ssh
[10:51] <_kay> For that my laptop is Ok :p
[10:51] <gdh> and it's at the best price- work pay for it:)
[10:52] <gdh> in fact the most useful thing it does for me is TomTom Navigator.
[10:52] <mart> anyone on breezy?
[10:52] <_kay> I am
[10:52] <mart> _kay: where did all the x utilities go, xlsfonts, setxkbmap...
[10:53] <_kay> into packages
[10:53] <_kay> xkbcomp is e.g. in xfonts-utils now
[10:53] <_droid_> ever heard of a work in progress mart?
[10:53] <mart> ah, I've found setxkbmap
[10:53] <_kay> eh, wrong sorry that was mkfontdir
[10:53] <_kay> xkbcomp is in xkbutils
[10:53] <_kay> Use packages.ubuntu.com to find which one is which
[10:54] <mart> _droid_: yeh, my machines broken a few times, I'm happy with that.  Just seems unlikely that stuff would disappear, so thought I'd ask
[10:54] <_kay> Not all utils are now installed by x-window-system-core
[10:54] <_kay> Probably bugs for at least xkbutils
[10:54] <_kay> Breezy works OK, only i18n is broken beyond repair for me now (in KDE)
[10:55] <mart> yeah, everything seems to work here except keymaps
[10:55] <mart> and I've lost virtual terminals
[10:56] <_kay> Which chipset?
[10:56] <_kay> The keyboard will come back if you install xkbutils and restart X mayhaps
[10:56] <_kay> Depends on how well, some things migrate... 
[10:56] <mart> 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82865G Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
[10:56] <_kay> Oh, I have that too
[10:57] <mart> and you have vt's?
[10:57] <_kay> And the same problem too :p
[10:57] <mart> downer
[10:57] <_kay> No, all blank, always when X is running
[10:57] <mart> yeah, me too
[10:57] <_kay> I don't use them though.
[10:57] <Neo_X_Saibot> how i unlock the root in the kde ?
[10:57] <_kay> Pretty long already, after some cvs merges
[10:57] <mart> huh?
[10:58] <_kay> sudo passwd root
[10:58] <_kay> Then set a password
[10:58] <_kay> Well, it was one of the first things that was broken....
[11:16] <ray_> yelllow
[11:31] <lonelyzora> hi
[11:43] <nikkia> gaaah!
[11:45] <ray_> i found a neat plugin for firefox that integrates kde style.....looks soooooooo much better
[11:45] <mart> nikkia: you've surprised yourself?
[11:45] <nikkia> mart, no, just discovered the folly of voice recognition
[11:46] <ray_> anybody use anything besides Limewire?
[11:46] <mart> :)
[11:46] <nikkia> at the most critical part of the map, where i don't trust the AI, and some DH drives past in his chavmobile and the (*&(ing voice recognition recognises the sound as 'move to your sudden death'
[11:47] <nikkia> so lo and behold the AI go running into the room that's surrounded by snipers
[11:47] <mart> just can't get the staff....
[11:48] <ray_> nikkia: what are you talking about?
[11:48] <nikkia> ray, rainbow six 3
[11:49] <ray_> nikkia: ahh.....im into the free games like enemy-territory have you tried that one?
[11:49] <nikkia> ray, yes, i have
[11:50] <Aapzak> americas army is rather nice
[11:50] <ray_> Aapzak: you cant respawn like enemy-territory though i hat having to wait until the game ends
[11:50] <nikkia> ray, don't get shot then :P
[11:50] <Aapzak> :)
[11:50] <ray_> i suck though...lol
[11:50] <Aapzak> me too
[11:51] <Aapzak> I'm watching all the time :)
[11:51] <ray_> plus 2.4 isnt out yet
[11:51] <ray_> any idea when 2.4 is coming out by the way?
[11:52] <Aapzak> but the quality of the game is higher don't you thinkg?
[11:52] <CellarDoor> hi all
[11:52] <ray_> no i dont think so....you can do way more in enemy-territory....like air strikes plant mines drive tanks etc
[11:53] <CellarDoor> does anyone know how to make gnome apps look better in kde ?
[11:53] <Aapzak> allright, isn't E_T not that game that looks like its build 5 years ago?
[11:53] <ray_> CellarDoor: im wondering the same thing...if you find out let me know
[11:53] <Aapzak> :)
[11:53] <CellarDoor> ok ray_
[11:53] <Aapzak> just don't use them
[11:53] <Aapzak> :)
[11:53] <CellarDoor> heh
[11:53] <ray_> Aapzak: et looks just as good a AA 
[11:54] <mart> I think they naturally suck, because they can't get the font dpi right
[11:54] <Aapzak> allright, must be some settings in my config then
[11:54] <mart> Aapzak: no, it's a gnome bug, they just don't see it that way
[11:54] <ray_> if you could respawn in AA the game would be great
[11:55] <Aapzak> there was something about ET which I did not like, dunno what it was.
[11:55] <mart> CellarDoor: it is the fonts that look bad/
[11:55] <mart> ?
[11:55] <ray_> Aapzak: have you tried newer versions?
[11:56] <Aapzak> I don't think so
[11:56] <ray_> Aapzak: have you tried Cube?
[11:56] <Aapzak> are those binaries, or build by me?
[11:56] <Aapzak> no
[11:56] <Aapzak> Cube?
[11:56] <Aapzak> I need screenshots :)
[11:56] <CellarDoor> ah fonts have always looked bad with KDE on kubuntu regardless of what Im using, haven't found out how to fix it
[11:56] <ray_> Aapzak: www.cubeengine.com
[11:57] <mart> CellarDoor: check that you've got anti-aliasing on, and using something like the bitstream fonts
[11:57] <ray_> Aapzak: its very much like quake 3 
[11:57] <mart> CellarDoor: that seems to work for most folk
[11:57] <CellarDoor> mart, already on, been through this before - no one seems to be able to help
[11:58] <ray_> key is...not to use gnome apps
[11:58] <ray_> gnome is sooooooooo ugly
[11:58] <mart> CellarDoor: sorry, is it just the gnome apps, or do the kde ones also suck?
[11:58] <CellarDoor> everything
[11:59] <ray_> everything!
[11:59] <ray_> kde looks great for me
[11:59] <CellarDoor> I have to have my desktop as high rez as I can to try to minimize the uglness of the fonts
[11:59] <mart> ray_: make up your mind!
[11:59] <Aapzak> ray_: I'm more into games like counterstrike or AA, because I don't like looking at weird creatures
[11:59] <Aapzak> (that why I only shave once a week)
[11:59] <|rockinnerd|> http://toastytech.com/evil/ieerrors.html
[11:59] <ray_> mart: what?
[12:00] <mart> [22:58]  <mart> CellarDoor: sorry, is it just the gnome apps, or do the kde ones also suck?
[12:00] <mart> [22:58]  <ray_> everything!
[12:00] <mart> [22:59]  <ray_> kde looks great for me
[12:00] <ray_> mart: dude your lost....
[12:00] <mart> so, does everything suck, or does kde look ok?
[12:00] <CellarDoor> kde looks ok, the fonts suck
[12:01] <Aapzak> ow shoot, can't close Channel List tab anymore, using Konversation
[12:01] <ray_> mart: i never said i had problems with kde's look
[12:01] <ray_> mart: so try and read before you bash
[12:01] <mart> ray_: were you talking in the other thread?
[12:01] <ray_> mart: nope
[12:02] <mart> ray_: what did you mean by "everything" when I asked when it was gnome only or kde and gnome?
[12:02] <mart> you're right, you've totally lost me...
[12:02] <ray_> mart: IT WASNT EVEN ME YOU WERE ASKING THAT! CellerDoor is the one with the problem
[12:03] <CellarDoor> [07:58]  <mart> CellarDoor: sorry, is it just the gnome apps, or do the kde ones also suck?
[12:03] <CellarDoor> [07:58]  <CellarDoor> everything
[12:03] <CellarDoor> [07:58]  <ray_> everything!
[12:03] <CellarDoor> [07:58]  <ray_> kde looks great for me
[12:03] <mart> It's the "<ray_> everything!" bit I didn't get,
[12:03] <mart> nm, it's not worth shouting about....
[12:03] <CellarDoor> I also can't get UT2004 to install
[12:04] <ray_> CellarDoor said everything looked bad and i said "everything!" because i was shocked. you guys ever take an english class?
[12:05] <ray_> thats what you call an exclamation point
[12:05] <ray_> ooooooooo
[12:05] <ray_> its pointless now
[12:05] <ray_> just a misunderstanding is all
[12:05] <mart> ray_: please calm down
[12:05] <ray_> im sorry guys