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| mpt | hmm | 01:22 |
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| mpt | Do we have any docs at all on how to connect to the Internet? | 01:23 |
| mpt | there's https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto | 01:23 |
| mpt | which is scarily, scarily complicated | 01:23 |
| mpt | I assume that will get much better with NetworkManager | 01:23 |
| mpt | but I can't find any docs on connecting over dialup or DSL or LAN | 01:28 |
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| WaterSevenUb | Hi... When will the import of PO files to Rosetta be finished? | 02:28 |
| WaterSevenUb | I mean... to the Breezy release templates.... | 02:28 |
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| jsgotangco | hey all | 06:57 |
| jsgotangco | hey hornbeck nice seeing you here again | 06:57 |
| Madpilot | ah, some actual life on this channel | 06:59 |
| jsgotangco | *grin* | 06:59 |
| jsgotangco | Madpilot: hi, just got my dsl back | 06:59 |
| Madpilot | aside from the "<foo> has joined/disconnected" messages, that is | 07:00 |
| Madpilot | getting internet back is good | 07:00 |
| jsgotangco | lol the place has been quiet lately yes.. | 07:00 |
| jsgotangco | i usually arrive at this time (after lunch on my side) | 07:01 |
| Madpilot | ah well. there are now two less entries on CategoryCleanup | 07:01 |
| Madpilot | it's 2200 here | 07:01 |
| jsgotangco | wiki! | 07:01 |
| jsgotangco | (i hateses are wiki ever since) | 07:01 |
| Madpilot | wikis seem to have become a nessesary evil or something | 07:02 |
| Madpilot | at least we can do something about getting Ubuntu's wiki semi-coherent and possibly useful | 07:04 |
| Madpilot | ;) | 07:04 |
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| jsgotangco | Burgundavia: hi | 07:13 |
| Burgundavia | salut jsgotangco | 07:15 |
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| rob^ | what was the problems with the server? | 08:52 |
| Burgundavia | problems with the server? | 08:53 |
| Burgundavia | thoughts? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IHate640x480 | 08:54 |
| rob^ | mdke anyone figure out why there are weird characters on the docteam server hosted docs? or is it just me... http://65.19.178.132/gnome/faqi386/C/ | 08:55 |
| robitaille | IHate640x480: I hate the name. But the content is useful for a very small audience. | 08:55 |
| Burgundavia | better name? | 08:56 |
| robitaille | ToshibaTecraConsole | 08:57 |
| robitaille | a bit long... | 08:57 |
| Burgundavia | this also happens on other machines, like my fathers sony laptop | 08:57 |
| HrdwrBoB | it's of almost no consequence to the ubuntu target audience | 08:57 |
| Burgundavia | LaptopSmallConsole | 08:57 |
| HrdwrBoB | in general | 08:57 |
| HrdwrBoB | because they won't be using the console | 08:57 |
| Burgundavia | this is bootup stuff HrdwrBoB | 08:58 |
| HrdwrBoB | yes | 08:58 |
| Burgundavia | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EthiopianTeam <-- funky lettering | 08:58 |
| robitaille | with the same logic, you should propose to get rid of the shell and xterms :) | 08:58 |
| Burgundavia | maybe breezy+1 can deal with making the graphical bootup nice | 08:59 |
| robitaille | Burgundavia: I like LaptopSmallConsole | 08:59 |
| Burgundavia | ok, moving | 08:59 |
| Burgundavia | finally got a ping back from someone I emailled about a job | 09:00 |
| robitaille | rob^: can't access http://65.19.178.132 you must be hitting the cache in your browser. That must be the IP of the server that mdke rebooted a few hours ago and then "lost" | 09:00 |
| robitaille | Burgundavia: was it a positive ping? | 09:00 |
| Burgundavia | however, the following things are wrong the company: use a hotmail addy, wanted a .doc and couldn't deal with my .pdf (said they couldn't open it) | 09:00 |
| Burgundavia | but I will see where they go | 09:01 |
| robitaille | is it a very small shop? it is as if they REALLY need a good sysadmin | 09:01 |
| Burgundavia | this is not a tech job, I don't think | 09:02 |
| Burgundavia | I honestly don't remember what this job is about | 09:02 |
| Burgundavia | what do you think we should do with all these created talk pages | 09:02 |
| Burgundavia | the ones that list the old subpages? | 09:02 |
| robitaille | I personally never use the talk pages. | 09:03 |
| Burgundavia | shall I delete them all as harmful? | 09:03 |
| robitaille | I would strongly suggest that you propose the idea to the ML before you start deleting them :) | 09:04 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 09:04 |
| Burgundavia | I just wanted to gauge the general reaction before I did so | 09:04 |
| robitaille | I would zap them all. | 09:04 |
| rob^ | http://www.linuxhd.com/ubuntufaq/faqi386/C/index.html | 09:56 |
| rob^ | I think he had the directory wrong | 09:58 |
| rob^ | he had gnome/faqi386/C/ | 09:58 |
| rob^ | its just a preview.. | 09:59 |
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| Madpilot | ? | 10:40 |
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| jsgotangco | hi | 10:48 |
| Madpilot | hi - just had our 2nd power outage in four nights... | 10:49 |
| Madpilot | plays hell with my attempts to set personal uptime records! | 10:49 |
| jsgotangco | wow | 10:49 |
| jsgotangco | i had a power outage at home last night too but it got fixed by the power company after an hour | 10:49 |
| jsgotangco | me and my neighbor had no electricity for at least an hour | 10:49 |
| Madpilot | yeah, these have all been short - just a couple of minutes tonight | 10:50 |
| Madpilot | but it's still unusual for this city... | 10:50 |
| jsgotangco | where is that? | 10:50 |
| Madpilot | Victoria, BC, Canada | 10:50 |
| jsgotangco | ahh right | 10:51 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 10:51 |
| jsgotangco | shouldn't you be sleeping by now heh | 10:51 |
| Madpilot | it's only 0150 here. I'll go to bed in a bit | 10:51 |
| HrdwrBoB | heh | 11:09 |
| HrdwrBoB | it's 1909 here | 11:09 |
| HrdwrBoB | .. dinner time! | 11:10 |
| Madpilot | 1909 in Oz - and that's on Wednesday evening right? | 11:10 |
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| HrdwrBoB | yes | 11:11 |
| HrdwrBoB | wednesday everning | 11:11 |
| HrdwrBoB | evening | 11:12 |
| Madpilot | cool. is 0212 Weds. morning here. | 11:12 |
| Madpilot | got to be at work by 0900. sleep might be a good idea... | 11:12 |
| HrdwrBoB | heh | 11:15 |
| HrdwrBoB | yes, sleep is well worth it | 11:15 |
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| mdke | docteam server back up | 12:45 |
| mdke | (sigh of relief) | 12:45 |
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| jsgotangco | bye bye (seems no one is around anyway) | 03:02 |
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| mgalvin | hi all | 03:23 |
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| mdke | hi mgalvin | 03:31 |
| mgalvin | hey mdke | 03:31 |
| jjesse | morning :) | 03:31 |
| mgalvin | morning jjesse | 03:32 |
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| mpt | https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-doc | 03:43 |
| mdke | cool | 03:44 |
| mdke | we still have that problem with weird characters on our server btw | 03:46 |
| mgalvin | mdke, even with a rebuild? | 03:50 |
| mdke | I changed the locale to en_us.utf8 and rebuilt, same problem | 03:51 |
| mgalvin | hmm | 03:52 |
| mgalvin | are you building it on the linnode or on your machine? | 03:52 |
| mdke | on the linode | 03:52 |
| mgalvin | what versions of our tools are on the linode, possible issue there maybe? | 03:53 |
| mgalvin | just a thought | 03:53 |
| mdke | possibly all the tools are not installed | 03:53 |
| mdke | the machine is standard hoary | 03:53 |
| mgalvin | hmm, docbook-xslt is not on hoary by default iirc | 03:54 |
| mdke | well I installed some stuff | 03:54 |
| mdke | but maybe I missed some things out | 03:54 |
| mdke | lemme try | 03:54 |
| mgalvin | ok, just a thought, it worth checking at least | 03:54 |
| mdke | E: Couldn't find package docbook-xslt | 03:54 |
| mgalvin | er, docbook-xsl rather | 03:56 |
| mdke | that is installed | 03:57 |
| mdke | docbook-xml wasn't tho, installing now, just in case | 03:57 |
| mdke | odd that they appear fine in konq | 04:02 |
| mgalvin | hmm, maybe try building them on your machine the move those files over to linode to try and verify that is not the build itself... b/c those wierd chars are in the html | 04:05 |
| mgalvin | maybe khtml can just deal with them better then gecko can | 04:05 |
| mdke | hmm | 04:05 |
| mdke | i couldn't see the characters in the html when I looked on the machine | 04:06 |
| mdke | e.g. | 04:06 |
| mdke | <div><p class="copyright">Copyright 2004, 2005 Canonical Ltd. and members of the Ubuntu Documentation Project</p></div> | 04:06 |
| mgalvin | i could see them here via ff | 04:07 |
| mgalvin | hmm | 04:07 |
| mdke | perhaps it is apache after all | 04:07 |
| mdke | and perhaps apache on my machine has the same problem | 04:07 |
| mgalvin | i was just going to ask if you tried your orig idea of checking apache | 04:07 |
| mgalvin | i guess its possible it could be munging stuff up somehow | 04:08 |
| jjesse | silly question but in what channel does the ubuntu communiity council meetings meet? | 04:17 |
| mdke | ubuntu-meeting | 04:18 |
| mdke | jjesse, you missed the meeting :( | 04:18 |
| jjesse | i know i did :( | 04:18 |
| jjesse | got my time zone conversion messed up and couldn't find the channel to join | 04:18 |
| mdke | mgalvin, same problem if I copy the files to http://www.mdke.org/Documents/faqi386/C/ | 04:18 |
| jjesse | so the next meeting if i do my conversion right 12 utc is 8am eastern | 04:20 |
| mdke | jjesse, you can get the current utc time by typing "date -u" in a terminal | 04:23 |
| jjesse | cool got the conversion done right | 04:26 |
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| mgalvin | mdke, hmm | 04:29 |
| mgalvin | i am going to try doing a fresh build here | 04:30 |
| mgalvin | it built fine here and looks fine | 04:35 |
| mgalvin | check it here | 04:35 |
| mgalvin | http://www.simplifiedcomplexity.com/ubuntu/faqi386/C/ | 04:35 |
| mdke | yeah | 04:40 |
| mdke | gtg | 04:54 |
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| mgalvin | mdke: could you set me up with a login to linode, i should be able to take a peak at it in a little while... if someone else hasn't already | 08:49 |
| mdke | mgalvin, doing it now | 08:54 |
| venda | mgalvin: I dont see any problem | 09:15 |
| venda | mgalvin: infact I am nowing seeing the pages just fine | 09:15 |
| mdke | in ff? | 09:16 |
| venda | yeah | 09:16 |
| mdke | i see the symbols still | 09:17 |
| venda | can somebody with a sudoer account install lynx pls | 09:17 |
| mgalvin | hmm, i still see them in ff | 09:18 |
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| venda | mgalvin: looks good under lynx too | 09:21 |
| mgalvin | i see #'s in lynx and *'s in elinks | 09:23 |
| venda | any page in particular | 09:24 |
| mgalvin | index.html | 09:24 |
| mgalvin | seems to show up on all of them here | 09:25 |
| venda | nada | 09:25 |
| venda | looks clean here | 09:25 |
| mgalvin | the ones i looked at anyway(random pages) | 09:25 |
| mgalvin | hmm, odd | 09:25 |
| venda | the pages there are a 1:1 match with my loacl build | 09:28 |
| venda | bit4 bit | 09:28 |
| venda | but yesterday I had problems | 09:29 |
| venda | mdke: what changed since yesteray | 09:29 |
| mdke | i changed the locale of the user to utf8 | 09:32 |
| mdke | also i installed docbook-xml | 09:33 |
| mdke | that's about it | 09:33 |
| venda | well I no longer see th eproblems | 09:33 |
| mdke | i d | 09:33 |
| mdke | o | 09:33 |
| venda | huh | 09:33 |
| venda | o ki do ki | 09:33 |
| mdke | but the pages are clean if you look at them on the server (cat index.html) | 09:37 |
| mdke | which makes me think it's apache | 09:38 |
| venda | mdke: bit4bit they match my local build | 09:38 |
| mdke | ok can't be the build then i guess | 09:39 |
| venda | no and I no longer see the problems I had yesterday | 09:39 |
| venda | but mgalvin says he does see problems | 09:40 |
| mdke | me too | 09:40 |
| mdke | on both my computers | 09:40 |
| venda | so just me sees all OK, that's all that counts. It's OK then :-) | 09:40 |
| venda | Ah Kubuntu | 09:41 |
| venda | no you on Gentoo, no? | 09:41 |
| venda | Hmm lemme see from SuSE | 09:41 |
| mdke | on gentoo and hoary | 09:41 |
| froud | looks good on SuSE ff | 09:42 |
| mdke | kde? | 09:42 |
| froud | Both KDE | 09:43 |
| froud | Something in GNOME you think, nah, can it be | 09:43 |
| mgalvin | i would doubt it but anything is possible i guess | 09:44 |
| mdke | doubt it | 09:44 |
| froud | anyone else have a kde box | 09:45 |
| froud | mdke: you said it was only that doc? | 09:46 |
| jjesse | i have a kde box | 09:49 |
| jjesse | sorry was afk | 09:49 |
| jjesse | whats up? | 09:49 |
| jjesse | <--- kubuntu | 09:49 |
| froud | http://www.simplifiedcomplexity.com/ubuntu/faqi386/C/index.html | 09:50 |
| froud | jjesse: do you see any problems in the page | 09:50 |
| mgalvin | froud: thats my build of it, as yes that one looks fine | 09:50 |
| jjesse | that looks fine for me | 09:50 |
| mgalvin | froud: the issue only shows up on the linode server and mdke's server | 09:50 |
| froud | arh | 09:51 |
| mgalvin | froud: jjesse: try hitting the faq on linode | 09:51 |
| jjesse | linode address? | 09:51 |
| mgalvin | http://65.19.178.132/gnome/faqi386/C/ | 09:51 |
| jjesse | no problems on the first page, looks clean to me in konqueror | 09:52 |
| jjesse | chedked other pages no issues | 09:52 |
| mgalvin | how about in ff | 09:53 |
| venda | hmmm only happens in ff | 09:53 |
| mgalvin | maybe a gecko problem with the locale | 09:54 |
| mgalvin | khtml seems to handle it just fine | 09:54 |
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| froud | What is Opera asking for cert | 09:55 |
| froud | wiki.ubuntu.com | 09:55 |
| froud | Canonical Ltd | 09:55 |
| froud | IM | 09:55 |
| froud | emailAddress: webmaster@ubuntu.com | 09:55 |
| froud | Issuer | 09:55 |
| froud | wiki.ubuntu.com | 09:55 |
| froud | Canonical Ltd | 09:55 |
| venda | arh | 09:56 |
| venda | dumb thing | 09:56 |
| venda | opera has the same problems as ff | 09:57 |
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| froud | Mozilla has same problem | 10:03 |
| mgalvin | just strange that it is only happening when viewing the docs from linode | 10:05 |
| mgalvin | mine build is just fine | 10:05 |
| froud | when I switch encoding in the browser it is fixed | 10:05 |
| froud | iso-8859-1 works well | 10:06 |
| froud | when I switch to utf-8 I get the problems | 10:07 |
| mgalvin | hah, it utf8 then | 10:07 |
| mgalvin | confirmed, same here | 10:07 |
| mgalvin | mdke: you chaged the locale right? can you try changing it back? | 10:08 |
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| venda | my users env is set LANG=en_US.UTF-8 | 10:14 |
| venda | mdke: what is the ubuntu-docs user LANG | 10:16 |
| mdke | mgalvin, what to? | 10:21 |
| venda | do env | 10:21 |
| venda | see LANG=en_US.UTF-8 | 10:21 |
| mdke | yes, but what do you want me to change it to | 10:21 |
| venda | no leave it | 10:21 |
| mdke | mgalvin, you asked if I can change it? | 10:22 |
| venda | just need to kow what it is | 10:22 |
| venda | sean@none:/etc/apache2/conf.d$ cat charset | 10:22 |
| venda | AddDefaultCharset UTF-8 | 10:22 |
| venda | sean@none:/etc/apache2/conf.d$ | 10:22 |
| venda | in apache2.conf | 10:27 |
| venda | is #AddDefaultCharset ISO-8859-1 | 10:27 |
| venda | meant to be commented out? | 10:27 |
| mdke | you can only have one defaultcharset i reckon | 10:27 |
| mdke | but I think ISO-8859-1 is the recognised charset for the web | 10:28 |
| venda | and the default has been set in conf.d/charset | 10:28 |
| venda | change the charset | 10:29 |
| venda | edit /etc/apache2/conf.d$ cat charset | 10:30 |
| venda | change to ISO-8859-1 | 10:31 |
| venda | apache2.conf adds AddCharset UTF-8 .utf8 | 10:32 |
| venda | and ISO-8859-1 | 10:33 |
| venda | but AddDefaultCharset ISO-8859-1 | 10:33 |
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| mdke | will try | 10:34 |
| mdke | the server is real slow to respond | 10:34 |
| venda | see k my side | 10:34 |
| venda | seems fine | 10:34 |
| mdke | ok i think that has fixed it :D | 10:37 |
| mdke | check? | 10:37 |
| venda | na da | 10:39 |
| venda | Hmm | 10:39 |
| venda | did you restart | 10:39 |
| venda | apache | 10:39 |
| mdke | i did | 10:40 |
| mdke | i don't get the problems now here | 10:40 |
| venda | you dont | 10:40 |
| venda | Hmm maybe proxy my side | 10:40 |
| mdke | did you shift reload | 10:40 |
| venda | bingo it works | 10:41 |
| mgalvin | fixed here :) | 10:41 |
| venda | cool | 10:41 |
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| venda | gone in search of coffee | 10:42 |
| mdke | thanks venda | 10:42 |
| venda | np was beginning to doubt our sanity for a min | 10:43 |
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