[01:22] <mpt> hmm
[01:23] <mpt> Do we have any docs at all on how to connect to the Internet?
[01:23] <mpt> there's https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[01:23] <mpt> which is scarily, scarily complicated
[01:23] <mpt> I assume that will get much better with NetworkManager
[01:28] <mpt> but I can't find any docs on connecting over dialup or DSL or LAN
[02:28] <WaterSevenUb> Hi... When will the import of PO files to Rosetta be finished?
[02:28] <WaterSevenUb> I mean... to the Breezy release templates....
[06:57] <jsgotangco> hey all
[06:57] <jsgotangco> hey hornbeck nice seeing you here again
[06:59] <Madpilot> ah, some actual life on this channel
[06:59] <jsgotangco> *grin*
[06:59] <jsgotangco> Madpilot: hi, just got my dsl back
[07:00] <Madpilot> aside from the "<foo> has joined/disconnected" messages, that is
[07:00] <Madpilot> getting internet back is good
[07:00] <jsgotangco> lol the place has been quiet lately yes..
[07:01] <jsgotangco> i usually arrive at this time (after lunch on my side)
[07:01] <Madpilot> ah well. there are now two less entries on CategoryCleanup
[07:01] <Madpilot> it's 2200 here
[07:01] <jsgotangco> wiki!
[07:01] <jsgotangco> (i hateses are wiki ever since)
[07:02] <Madpilot> wikis seem to have become a nessesary evil or something
[07:04] <Madpilot> at least we can do something about getting Ubuntu's wiki semi-coherent and possibly useful
[07:04] <Madpilot> ;)
[07:13] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: hi
[07:15] <Burgundavia> salut jsgotangco 
[08:52] <rob^> what was the problems with the server?
[08:53] <Burgundavia> problems with the server?
[08:54] <Burgundavia> thoughts? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IHate640x480
[08:55] <rob^> mdke anyone figure out why there are weird characters on the docteam server hosted docs? or is it just me... http://65.19.178.132/gnome/faqi386/C/
[08:55] <robitaille> IHate640x480:  I hate the name.  But the content is useful for a very small audience.
[08:56] <Burgundavia> better name?
[08:57] <robitaille> ToshibaTecraConsole
[08:57] <robitaille> a bit long...
[08:57] <Burgundavia> this also happens on other machines, like my fathers sony laptop
[08:57] <HrdwrBoB> it's of almost no consequence to the ubuntu target audience
[08:57] <Burgundavia> LaptopSmallConsole
[08:57] <HrdwrBoB> in general
[08:57] <HrdwrBoB> because they won't be using the console
[08:58] <Burgundavia> this is bootup stuff HrdwrBoB 
[08:58] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[08:58] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EthiopianTeam <-- funky lettering
[08:58] <robitaille> with the same logic, you should propose to get rid of the shell and xterms :)
[08:59] <Burgundavia> maybe breezy+1 can deal with making the graphical bootup nice
[08:59] <robitaille> Burgundavia: I like LaptopSmallConsole
[08:59] <Burgundavia> ok, moving
[09:00] <Burgundavia> finally got a ping back from someone I emailled about a job
[09:00] <robitaille> rob^:  can't access http://65.19.178.132   you must be hitting the cache in your browser.  That must be the IP of the server that mdke rebooted a few hours ago and then "lost"
[09:00] <robitaille> Burgundavia:  was it a positive ping?
[09:00] <Burgundavia> however, the following things are wrong the company: use a hotmail addy, wanted a .doc and couldn't deal with my .pdf (said they couldn't open it)
[09:01] <Burgundavia> but I will see where they go
[09:01] <robitaille> is it  a very small shop?  it is as if they REALLY need a good sysadmin
[09:02] <Burgundavia> this is not a tech job, I don't think
[09:02] <Burgundavia> I honestly don't remember what this job is about
[09:02] <Burgundavia> what do you think we should do with all these created talk pages
[09:02] <Burgundavia> the ones that list the old subpages?
[09:03] <robitaille> I personally never use the talk pages.
[09:03] <Burgundavia> shall I delete them all as harmful?
[09:04] <robitaille> I would strongly suggest that you propose the idea to the ML before you start deleting them :)
[09:04] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:04] <Burgundavia> I just wanted to gauge the general reaction before I did so
[09:04] <robitaille> I would zap them all.
[09:56] <rob^> http://www.linuxhd.com/ubuntufaq/faqi386/C/index.html
[09:58] <rob^> I think he had the directory wrong
[09:58] <rob^> he had gnome/faqi386/C/
[09:59] <rob^> its just a preview..
[10:40] <Madpilot> ?
[10:48] <jsgotangco> hi
[10:49] <Madpilot> hi - just had our 2nd power outage in four nights...
[10:49] <Madpilot> plays hell with my attempts to set personal uptime records!
[10:49] <jsgotangco> wow
[10:49] <jsgotangco> i had a power outage at home last night too but it got fixed by the power company after an hour
[10:49] <jsgotangco> me and my neighbor had no electricity for at least an hour
[10:50] <Madpilot> yeah, these have all been short - just a couple of minutes tonight
[10:50] <Madpilot> but it's still unusual for this city...
[10:50] <jsgotangco> where is that?
[10:50] <Madpilot> Victoria, BC, Canada
[10:51] <jsgotangco> ahh right
[10:51] <jsgotangco> hmm
[10:51] <jsgotangco> shouldn't you be sleeping by now heh
[10:51] <Madpilot> it's only 0150 here. I'll go to bed in a bit
[11:09] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[11:09] <HrdwrBoB> it's 1909 here
[11:10] <HrdwrBoB> .. dinner time!
[11:10] <Madpilot> 1909 in Oz - and that's on Wednesday evening right?
[11:11] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[11:11] <HrdwrBoB> wednesday everning
[11:12] <HrdwrBoB> evening
[11:12] <Madpilot> cool. is 0212 Weds. morning here.
[11:12] <Madpilot> got to be at work by 0900. sleep might be a good idea...
[11:15] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[11:15] <HrdwrBoB> yes, sleep is well worth it
[12:45] <mdke> docteam server back up
[12:45] <mdke> (sigh of relief)
[03:02] <jsgotangco> bye bye (seems no one is around anyway)
[03:23] <mgalvin> hi all
[03:31] <mdke> hi mgalvin 
[03:31] <mgalvin> hey mdke
[03:31] <jjesse> morning :)
[03:32] <mgalvin> morning jjesse
[03:43] <mpt> https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-doc
[03:44] <mdke> cool
[03:46] <mdke> we still have that problem with weird characters on our server btw
[03:50] <mgalvin> mdke, even with a rebuild?
[03:51] <mdke> I changed the locale to en_us.utf8 and rebuilt, same problem
[03:52] <mgalvin> hmm
[03:52] <mgalvin> are you building it on the linnode or on your machine?
[03:52] <mdke> on the linode
[03:53] <mgalvin> what versions of our tools are on the linode, possible issue there maybe?
[03:53] <mgalvin> just a thought
[03:53] <mdke> possibly all the tools are not installed
[03:53] <mdke> the machine is standard hoary
[03:54] <mgalvin> hmm, docbook-xslt is not on hoary by default iirc
[03:54] <mdke> well I installed some stuff
[03:54] <mdke> but maybe I missed some things out
[03:54] <mdke> lemme try
[03:54] <mgalvin> ok, just a thought, it worth checking at least
[03:54] <mdke> E: Couldn't find package docbook-xslt
[03:56] <mgalvin> er, docbook-xsl rather
[03:57] <mdke> that is installed
[03:57] <mdke> docbook-xml wasn't tho, installing now, just in case
[04:02] <mdke> odd that they appear fine in konq
[04:05] <mgalvin> hmm, maybe try building them on your machine the move those files over to linode to try and verify that is not the build itself... b/c those wierd chars are in the html
[04:05] <mgalvin> maybe khtml can just deal with them better then gecko can
[04:05] <mdke> hmm
[04:06] <mdke> i couldn't see the characters in the html when I looked on the machine
[04:06] <mdke> e.g.
<p class="copyright">Copyright  2004, 2005 Canonical Ltd. and members of the Ubuntu Documentation Project</p></div>
[04:07] <mgalvin> i could see them here via ff
[04:07] <mgalvin> hmm
[04:07] <mdke> perhaps it is apache after all
[04:07] <mdke> and perhaps apache on my machine has the same problem
[04:07] <mgalvin> i was just going to ask if you tried your orig idea of checking apache
[04:08] <mgalvin> i guess its possible it could be munging stuff up somehow
[04:17] <jjesse> silly question but in what channel does the ubuntu communiity council meetings meet?
[04:18] <mdke> ubuntu-meeting
[04:18] <mdke> jjesse, you missed the meeting :(
[04:18] <jjesse> i know i did :( 
[04:18] <jjesse> got my time zone conversion messed up and couldn't find the channel to join
[04:18] <mdke> mgalvin, same problem if I copy the files to http://www.mdke.org/Documents/faqi386/C/
[04:20] <jjesse> so the next meeting if i do my conversion right 12 utc is 8am eastern
[04:23] <mdke> jjesse, you can get the current utc time by typing "date -u" in a terminal
[04:26] <jjesse> cool got the conversion done right
[04:29] <mgalvin> mdke, hmm
[04:30] <mgalvin> i am going to try doing a fresh build here
[04:35] <mgalvin> it built fine here and looks fine
[04:35] <mgalvin> check it here
[04:35] <mgalvin> http://www.simplifiedcomplexity.com/ubuntu/faqi386/C/
[04:40] <mdke> yeah
[04:54] <mdke> gtg
[08:49] <mgalvin> mdke: could you set me up with a login to linode, i should be able to take a peak at it in a little while... if someone else hasn't already
[08:54] <mdke> mgalvin, doing it now
[09:15] <venda> mgalvin: I dont see any problem
[09:15] <venda> mgalvin: infact I am nowing seeing the pages just fine
[09:16] <mdke> in ff?
[09:16] <venda> yeah
[09:17] <mdke> i see the symbols still
[09:17] <venda> can somebody with a sudoer account install lynx pls
[09:18] <mgalvin> hmm, i still see them in ff
[09:21] <venda> mgalvin: looks good under lynx too
[09:23] <mgalvin> i see #'s in lynx and *'s in elinks
[09:24] <venda> any page in particular
[09:24] <mgalvin> index.html
[09:25] <mgalvin> seems to show up on all of them here
[09:25] <venda> nada
[09:25] <venda> looks clean here
[09:25] <mgalvin> the ones i looked at anyway(random pages)
[09:25] <mgalvin> hmm, odd
[09:28] <venda> the pages there are a 1:1 match with my loacl build
[09:28] <venda> bit4 bit
[09:29] <venda> but yesterday I had problems
[09:29] <venda> mdke: what changed since yesteray
[09:32] <mdke> i changed the locale of the user to utf8
[09:33] <mdke> also i installed docbook-xml
[09:33] <mdke> that's about it
[09:33] <venda> well I no longer see th eproblems
[09:33] <mdke> i d
[09:33] <mdke> o
[09:33] <venda> huh
[09:33] <venda> o ki do ki
[09:37] <mdke> but the pages are clean if you look at them on the server (cat index.html)
[09:38] <mdke> which makes me think it's apache
[09:38] <venda> mdke: bit4bit they match my local build
[09:39] <mdke> ok can't be the build then i guess
[09:39] <venda> no and I no longer see the problems I had yesterday
[09:40] <venda> but mgalvin says he does see problems
[09:40] <mdke> me too
[09:40] <mdke> on both my computers
[09:40] <venda> so just me sees all OK, that's all that counts. It's OK then :-)
[09:41] <venda> Ah Kubuntu
[09:41] <venda> no you on Gentoo, no?
[09:41] <venda> Hmm lemme see from SuSE
[09:41] <mdke> on gentoo and hoary
[09:42] <froud> looks good on SuSE ff
[09:42] <mdke> kde?
[09:43] <froud> Both KDE
[09:43] <froud> Something in GNOME you think, nah, can it be
[09:44] <mgalvin> i would doubt it but anything is possible i guess
[09:44] <mdke> doubt it
[09:45] <froud> anyone else have a kde box
[09:46] <froud> mdke: you said it was only that doc?
[09:49] <jjesse> i have a kde box
[09:49] <jjesse> sorry was afk
[09:49] <jjesse> whats up?
[09:49] <jjesse> <--- kubuntu
[09:50] <froud> http://www.simplifiedcomplexity.com/ubuntu/faqi386/C/index.html
[09:50] <froud> jjesse: do you see any problems in the page
[09:50] <mgalvin> froud: thats my build of it, as yes that one looks fine
[09:50] <jjesse> that looks fine for me
[09:50] <mgalvin> froud: the issue only shows up on the linode server and mdke's server
[09:51] <froud> arh
[09:51] <mgalvin> froud: jjesse: try hitting the faq on linode
[09:51] <jjesse> linode address?
[09:51] <mgalvin> http://65.19.178.132/gnome/faqi386/C/
[09:52] <jjesse> no problems on the first page, looks clean to me in konqueror
[09:52] <jjesse> chedked other pages no issues
[09:53] <mgalvin> how about in ff
[09:53] <venda> hmmm only happens in ff
[09:54] <mgalvin> maybe a gecko problem with the locale
[09:54] <mgalvin> khtml seems to handle it just fine
[09:55] <froud> What is Opera asking for cert
[09:55] <froud> wiki.ubuntu.com
[09:55] <froud> Canonical Ltd
[09:55] <froud> IM
[09:55] <froud> emailAddress: webmaster@ubuntu.com
[09:55] <froud> Issuer
[09:55] <froud> wiki.ubuntu.com
[09:55] <froud> Canonical Ltd
[09:56] <venda> arh
[09:56] <venda> dumb thing
[09:57] <venda> opera has the same problems as ff
[10:03] <froud> Mozilla has same problem
[10:05] <mgalvin> just strange that it is only happening when viewing the docs from linode
[10:05] <mgalvin> mine build is just fine
[10:05] <froud> when I switch encoding in the browser it is fixed
[10:06] <froud> iso-8859-1 works well
[10:07] <froud> when I switch to utf-8 I get the problems
[10:07] <mgalvin> hah, it utf8 then
[10:07] <mgalvin> confirmed, same here
[10:08] <mgalvin> mdke: you chaged the locale right? can you try changing it back?
[10:14] <venda> my users env is set LANG=en_US.UTF-8
[10:16] <venda> mdke: what is the ubuntu-docs user LANG
[10:21] <mdke> mgalvin, what to?
[10:21] <venda> do env
[10:21] <venda> see LANG=en_US.UTF-8
[10:21] <mdke> yes, but what do you want me to change it to
[10:21] <venda> no leave it
[10:22] <mdke> mgalvin, you asked if I can change it?
[10:22] <venda> just need to kow what it is
[10:22] <venda> sean@none:/etc/apache2/conf.d$ cat charset
[10:22] <venda> AddDefaultCharset UTF-8
[10:22] <venda> sean@none:/etc/apache2/conf.d$  
[10:27] <venda> in apache2.conf
[10:27] <venda> is #AddDefaultCharset      ISO-8859-1
[10:27] <venda> meant to be commented out?
[10:27] <mdke> you can only have one defaultcharset i reckon
[10:28] <mdke> but I think ISO-8859-1 is the recognised charset for the web
[10:28] <venda> and the default has been set in conf.d/charset
[10:29] <venda> change the charset
[10:30] <venda> edit /etc/apache2/conf.d$ cat charset
[10:31] <venda> change to ISO-8859-1
[10:32] <venda> apache2.conf adds AddCharset UTF-8       .utf8
[10:33] <venda> and ISO-8859-1
[10:33] <venda> but AddDefaultCharset   ISO-8859-1
[10:34] <mdke> will try
[10:34] <mdke> the server is real slow to respond
[10:34] <venda> see k my side
[10:34] <venda> seems fine
[10:37] <mdke> ok i think that has fixed it :D
[10:37] <mdke> check?
[10:39] <venda> na da
[10:39] <venda> Hmm
[10:39] <venda> did you restart
[10:39] <venda> apache
[10:40] <mdke> i did
[10:40] <mdke> i don't get the problems now here
[10:40] <venda> you dont
[10:40] <venda> Hmm maybe proxy my side
[10:40] <mdke> did you shift reload
[10:41] <venda> bingo it works
[10:41] <mgalvin> fixed here :)
[10:41] <venda> cool
[10:42] <venda> gone in search of coffee
[10:42] <mdke> thanks venda
[10:43] <venda> np was beginning to doubt our sanity for a min