[12:00] <topyli> aceb747: hehe :)
[12:00] <stevenj> I did'nt know 686 2.6.11 was there...hmm
[12:00] <HakonBH> does anybody here use fluxbox?
[12:00] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: ah, I see
[12:00] <thoreauputic> HakonBH: yes
[12:00] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: Plus things don't get pulled from the archives lightly
[12:00] <stevenj> dbernar1, what does that do?
[12:01] <f_newton> man I love working with a debian based os
[12:01] <nox> ubuntu is the new debian
[12:01] <nox> its just, better.
[12:01] <HakonBH> thoreauputic: with or without gnome installed together?
[12:01] <ixion> hi, whats the run command for text editor?
[12:01] <dbernar1> stevenj: well, /join #flood joins the channel that can be flooded
[12:01] <topyli> nox: nah, debian is still debian
[12:01] <ixion> I need to gksu it
[12:01] <Amaranth> ixion: gedit
[12:01] <Razor-X> I hope Debian will supersede Debian
[12:01] <ixion> ta
[12:01] <dbernar1> /bin/sh: line 1: takes: command not found
[12:01] <Amaranth> ixion: gksudo gedit
[12:01] <thoreauputic> HakonBH: I have gnome and KDE and xfce4 as well - but I rarely use them :)
[12:02] <topyli> Razor-X: exactly ;)
[12:02] <dbernar1> it remocves the intermediate step of you having to paste
[12:02] <dbernar1> now I am going there, to see what you paste
[12:02] <cyphase> hey everyone
[12:02] <HakonBH> humm... because fluxbox is a little slow here, very uncommon
[12:03] <stevenj> traceroute not found...apparently I can't traceroute :)
[12:03] <bionic> Whats the command to turn on DMA on a disc?
[12:03] <mbirkis> can i add a i386 repo to a amd64 sources list??
[12:03] <thoreauputic> HakonBH: the hoary package has an issue
[12:03] <nox> stevenj, sudo apt-get install traceroute
[12:03] <jojolu> Helo Im running ubuntu on a laptop toshiba satellite A45-S250 how do I make the dual monitor work, the graphic card is a intel 852GME integrated (32MB)
[12:03] <thoreauputic> HakonBH: I recompiled
[12:03] <Seveas> bionic, hdparm -d1 /dev/yourdisk
[12:03] <bionic> Seveas: appreciate it
[12:03] <thoreauputic> HakonBH: the secret is to use --disable-xmb in the ./conigure options
[12:03] <HakonBH> hummm... i'm trying to recompile but i always get a kernel panic, heheh
[12:04] <HakonBH> sorry, i'm just a beginner, have no idea of ./configure options
[12:04] <catolh> how can i set my Tv as my primary screen? I have an ATI radeon 9600 xt.. with the fglrx drivers installed (newest).
[12:04] <thoreauputic> HakonBH: ah
[12:05] <mbirkis> how come i get wrong architecture error when i try dpkg --install a.hoary.package.i386.deb ??
[12:05] <aceb747> one quick question I have is what is better about ubuntu than debian... one thing i liked was the install... and alot of people have put it down
[12:05] <thoreauputic> mbirkis: are you using a mac or amd64 ?
[12:05] <mbirkis> thoreauputic, amd64
[12:05] <topyli> HakonBH: try "./configure --help"
[12:05] <thoreauputic> mbirkis: the package you are trying to install is not for amd64
[12:06] <HakonBH> ok
[12:06] <mbirkis> thoreauputic, shouldn't it work?? isn't ubuntu biarch compatible??
[12:06] <thoreauputic> HakonBH: if you compile fluxbox, use --disable-xmb --enable-kde --enable-gnome
[12:07] <cefx> no
[12:07] <cefx> it's not
[12:07] <thoreauputic> mbirkis: you would need a 32 bit chroot
[12:07] <aceb747> if you were to compare the repo would ununtu or debian have a better repo?
[12:07] <mbirkis> thoreauputic, what is a 32bit chroot?
[12:07] <DukGalNamu> hey where is the wine channel?
[12:07] <HakonBH> hum, i always use apt-get... i dunno the best place to install package, so i don't want do make a mess
[12:08] <thoreauputic> mbirkis: *sigh* a sort of jail to run 32 bit apps from
[12:08] <ChrischiO`GER>   Kicked Windows, installed my first Linux(ubuntu of course), mounted my first drive, compiled and installed my first program .. what a day
[12:08] <Kev0r> LinuxJones: one problem: need to run that program as the user that's logged in :/
[12:08] <mjr> mbirkis, ubuntu is not yet a proper multiarch system; chroot: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
[12:08] <nickrud> as someone who has no real voice in either repo, I'd judge that the both work
[12:08] <aceb747> DukGalNamu, i think it is on another server... though that does not help much... possibly on efnet i think
[12:08] <mbirkis> mjr, ok thnx
[12:08] <thoreauputic> mbirkis: search the wiki - I think there's a howto
[12:08] <DukGalNamu> ...
[12:09] <nox> ChrischiO`GER, when using ubuntu, you don`t need to compile programs. thats why you have APT and sources.list file.
[12:09] <ChrischiO`GER> w00s?
[12:09] <nox> ChrischiO`GER, www.ubuntuguide.org
[12:09] <nox> ChrischiO`GER, add the repos from there, and come back for instructions
[12:09] <catolh> do people have experience in setting the TV out as a primary screen? so i can use my TV to watch movies+
[12:09] <catolh> ?*
[12:09] <nickrud> DukGalNamu, I usually look for channels on http://searchirc.com/
[12:09] <ChrischiO`GER> und das sagt er mir jetzt  -.-'
[12:09] <DukGalNamu> aceb747: i am banned from that server for some reason...
[12:10] <nox> ChrischiO`GER, package manager is a very important thing. it makes your life easier
[12:10] <Seveas> nox, bad idea
[12:10] <Seveas> nox ubuntuguide is not the best source of information
[12:10] <Amaranth> nox: Please do not tell people to read ubuntuguide.
[12:10] <ChrischiO`GER> yeah.. had to use it to install compiler^^
[12:10] <Seveas> and it has backports on by default...
[12:10] <nox> Seveas, what makes you think this is a bad idea?
[12:11] <Amaranth> Seveas: official backports?
[12:11] <nox> Amaranth, why? it realy helps
[12:11] <Seveas> nox, because it is :)
[12:11] <cefx> What's the syntax for decompressing a tgz file?
[12:11] <Amaranth> Seveas: please tell me it doesn't have hoary-extras
[12:11] <raven3x7> ChrischiO`GER,  just leave out the backports line
[12:11] <Seveas> nox, it has...
[12:11] <jojolu> Helo Im running ubuntu on a laptop toshiba satellite A45-S250 how do I make the dual monitor work, the graphic card is a intel 852GME integrated (32MB)
[12:11] <Seveas> Amaranth, it has
[12:11] <Amaranth> *groan*
[12:11] <Seveas> nox, the things causes so much trouble for people...
[12:11] <HakonBH> jojolu: xinerama?
[12:11] <ChrischiO`GER> dont mind.. but explane me what "backports" means pls^^
[12:11] <Seveas> we've spent days in here helping ubuntuguide vicitms
[12:11] <Amaranth> !backports
[12:11] <ubotu> rumour has it, backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[12:12] <jojolu> xinerama? I dont know that program
[12:12] <nox> Seveas, you said it yourself -> "not the =BEST= source for info" - in the lack of other good sources for begginers, this is the only option
[12:12] <Amaranth> wtf
[12:12] <aceb747> DukGalNamu: are you on a college campus?
[12:12] <Amaranth> that's a worthless bit of explaination
[12:12] <Seveas> nox, wiki.ubuntu.com
[12:12] <raven3x7> Amaranth, whats wrong with extras?
[12:12] <DukGalNamu> nope
[12:12] <DukGalNamu> aceb747: why would that matter?
[12:12] <Amaranth> raven3x7: Well, for a start just about everything in it is illegal.
[12:12] <catolh> argh, i cant get any video on my tv.. :\
[12:12] <cefx> zxvf
[12:12] <cefx> 'D
[12:12] <nox> Seveas, ok.. ill add some things to the wiki myself :) thanx for that. is it .com or .org?
[12:12] <Seveas> wiki.ubuntu.com :)
[12:12] <jojolu> HakonBH: what is xinerama
[12:13] <DukGalNamu> aceb747: here is what i got:ERROR Closing Link: DukGalNam[andrew@255.255.255.255]  (Banned)
[12:13] <ChrischiO`GER> wtf
[12:13] <ixion> how can I login to ubuntu as root please? I'm getting annoyed with this perpetual gksu, its a desktop machine, I want to be god
[12:13] <ChrischiO`GER> HAHA
[12:13] <ChrischiO`GER> 2nd one
[12:13] <Amaranth> ixion: err
[12:13] <Amaranth> !rootsudo
[12:14] <ubotu> it has been said that rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[12:14] <Seveas> ixion, sudo gdmsetup
[12:14] <Amaranth> ixion: gdm will not allow you to login as root
[12:14] <Seveas> but be warned
[12:14] <balistic2> hey
[12:14] <Seveas> runnung X as root is a *MAJOR* security risk
[12:14] <ChrischiO`GER> what is gdm?
[12:14] <delta> good night
[12:14] <ixion> yes, its a desktop, for playing music and stuff
[12:14] <ixion> security is less important than annoyances
[12:14] <Seveas> ixion, if you hate entering your password: tell sudo not to ask it
[12:14] <balistic2> is there a way to install ubuntu by use of floppy.. i dont have a cd drive on my old vaio
[12:14] <nox> ChrischiO`GER, GDM is Gnome Display Manager
[12:14] <ChrischiO`GER> ah k
[12:15] <ChrischiO`GER> Mr X  *g*
[12:15] <DukGalNamu> ahh
[12:15] <DukGalNamu> there is one on this server
[12:15] <MartenH> ok, this isn't working sadly :/ I keep getting a message saying that /dev/video doesn't exist
[12:15] <DukGalNamu> its winehq
[12:15] <DukGalNamu> i am going
[12:15] <MartenH> hwn using xawtv or gqcam
[12:15] <balistic2> can i install ubuntu using floppy
[12:15] <ubuntu__> sup guys
[12:15] <Amaranth> DukGalNamu: most channels on this server are the official channels for the project
[12:15] <nox> MartenH, what about /dev/video0 ?
[12:15] <Amaranth> err, too late
[12:15] <MartenH> nox,  nope
[12:15] <nox> MartenH, what are you trying to connect?
[12:16] <MartenH> nox, a webcam. ANother cam worked right away, this one does not
[12:16] <balistic2> hey can i get some help if someone isnt to busy
[12:16] <nox> MartenH, you installed V4L ?
[12:16] <nue2ubuntu> hey i'm running the live version of ubuntu. is there a way to install pluggins for firefox to browse some flash-enabled webpages?
[12:16] <Amaranth> balistic2: If no one knows no one will answer.
[12:16] <aceb747> balistic2: i can try to help you
[12:16] <balistic2> thank you ace
[12:16] <balistic2> can i install ubuntu using floppy disks
[12:16] <ubuntu_> is the a way i can enable vnc without going to System -> Preferences -> Remote Desktop
[12:17] <errr_> where are the local startup scripts?
[12:17] <MartenH> nox, how do I do that? doesn't it come with xawtv?
[12:17] <ubuntu_> as in thru a terminal
[12:17] <Amaranth> balistic2: I do not believe floppy installation is possible.
[12:17] <aceb747> balistic2: i think u can only do it cdrom
[12:17] <balistic2> amaranth, i saw some where it said that you can install debian first
[12:17] <balistic2> and then install ubuntu
[12:17] <balistic2> is that logical?
[12:17] <nox> MartenH, i have no idea - install libpt-plugins-v4l2
[12:17] <Amaranth> balistic2: If you don't mind never getting help from us, sure. :)
[12:18] <aceb747> balistic2: yes that is possible i think
[12:18] <cefx> Anyone ever install Cedega?
[12:18] <Amaranth> balistic2: that is really more likely to break your system
[12:18] <errr_> On gentoo they are:  /etc/conf.d/local.start  but I am unable to find the ubuntu one
[12:18] <ubuntu_> is there access to vnc seting thru bash?
[12:18] <balistic2> brb
[12:18] <ubuntu_> to turn it off/on
[12:18] <Amaranth> balistic2: some things in debian 3.1 are newer than ubuntu 5.04
[12:18] <cefx> Has anyone ever installed Cedega and knows what I have to do?
[12:18] <aceb747> you would do a debian ne install and a dist-upgrade to ubuntu
[12:18] <Amaranth> cefx: #cedega?
[12:18] <_icebreaker_> which package i have to install to get the kernel-headers
[12:18] <delta> 
[12:19] <Amaranth> _icebreaker_: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[12:19] <MartenH> nox, I have v4l2 installed along with v4l-conf. however not v4l (but v4l2 is anewer version from what I can tell)
[12:19] <Amaranth> _icebreaker_: make sure you put in backticks, not quote marks
[12:19] <jojolu> Helo Im running ubuntu on a laptop toshiba satellite A45-S250, the graphic card is a intel 852GME integrated (32MB). How do I make the capability of switching between displays (CRT and LCD)
[12:19] <ubuntu_> any one ?
[12:19] <nox> MartenH, what type of a webcam you are trying to connect, and to which port?
[12:19] <ubuntu_> vnc settings access thru terminal?????
[12:19] <Amaranth> jojolu: The laptop does that in hardware on most systems I've seen
[12:19] <ubuntu_> oh well
[12:19] <Amaranth> jojolu: some button combination
[12:20] <raven3x7> Amaranth, would ffdshow be a legal alternative to w32codecs?
[12:20] <aceb747> jojolu, you need to configure this on the /etc/xorg.conf file
[12:20] <errr_> jojolu: on mine it is function f8
[12:20] <_icebreaker_> Amaranth, im geting a error message
[12:20] <jojolu> yes Fn+F5
[12:20] <brad[] > Hi, having some trouble connecting to an exchange 2003 server through evolution in Ubuntu hoary. I can connect to it using other distributions using the same versions of the software, so I'm wondering if there are any newer releases of evolution available for Ubuntu 5.04?
[12:20] <MartenH> nox, USB port, it's a gpt/chicony dc-2120
[12:20] <Amaranth> raven3x7: um, ffdshow is ffmpeg running on DirectShow, a part of DirectX on Windows.
[12:20] <jojolu> but doesnt work just flashes the monitor and my cursor desapears
[12:20] <errr_> Amaranth: do you know where the local startup script i s located?
[12:20] <thoreauputic>  /msg nickserv nvu
[12:21] <thoreauputic> bah
[12:21] <nox> MartenH, please give me the output of the command: "ls /dev | grep video"
[12:21] <avanspronsen> brad[] : is your mailbox name different than your login name?  I am pretty sure that is a problem with the Exchange connector with the version that ships with 5.04
[12:22] <Sputn1k> sudo make-kpkg --append-to-version=-custom kernel_image modules_image . How should i replace "append-to-version" and "custom kernel_image modules_image", curent kernel 2.6.10, trying update to 2.6.12, help plz
[12:22] <jojolu> Amaranth: Can I see your, xorg.conf becouse I dont know how to configure it out
[12:22] <nox> MartenH, when the webcam is connected ofcourse.
[12:22] <MartenH> nox, video0 and video (1349)
[12:22] <balistic2> is there any way to install
[12:22] <balistic2> any sort of gui linux using a floppy
[12:22] <aceb747> jojolu, what kind of vid card do you have?
[12:23] <errr_> does anyone know where I can find the local start up scripts that normally go in /etc/rc.d ?
[12:23] <nox> MartenH, ok, now do that: "sudo cat /dev/video0" and move something that the cam can see. do you see any change on the screen?
[12:23] <Sputn1k> help me somebody :/
[12:23] <jojolu> aceb747: a intel 852GME Integrated
[12:24] <LinuxJones> balistic2, Mandriva (Mandrake) used to be able to do that like 2 years ago
[12:24] <kemik> Sputn1k:  you really shouldnt do that stuff if you're not sure what to put there to begin with
[12:24] <MartenH> nox, i get: "cat: /dev/video0: Function not implemented"
[12:24] <yhager> errr_, you mean /etc/rc[0-9S] .d/ ?
[12:24] <balistic2> linuxjones, the problem is.. i have a vaio that used to run windows 98 and im tryiing to get rid of it but all i have is a floppy drive
[12:24] <Sputn1k> kemik: u talking like my grandmother :] 
[12:24] <jojolu>  a intel 852GME Integrated with 32 mb
[12:25] <aceb747> jojolu: just search how to setup the xorg.conf on google and look at the ubuntu wiki... it shows how on there... i am not sure if it is for nvidia only though
[12:25] <kemik> well i aint stopping you
[12:25] <kemik> ;)
[12:25] <nox> MartenH, try the same thing with /dev/video
[12:25] <icewt> balistic2, you can install debian netinstall with a floppy, supposing you have internet connection available while installing
[12:25] <thoreauputic> yhager: impatient type, wasn't he ?
[12:25] <jojolu> In ubunto guide its for nvidia only
[12:25] <balistic2> icewt, then can i install ubuntu
[12:25] <MartenH> nox, No such file or directory
[12:25] <LinuxJones> balistic2, you can format/erase the drives with the mandrake cd or if you have a win98 rescue disk you can remove the partitions with that
[12:25] <jojolu> But I will look
[12:26] <nox> MartenH, you have a drivers problem.
[12:26] <LinuxJones> balistic2, sorry make that mandrake floppy netinstall disk :(
[12:26] <MartenH> nox, the drivers are loaded and a cam is detected accoring to dmesg. But I have read on the page for them that I might need to update to ov51x
[12:26] <nox> MartenH, you trying gnomemeeting?
[12:26] <balistic2> linujones, so after i make that netinstall disk can i put ubuntu over it?
[12:26] <nox> MartenH, try=tried
[12:26] <MartenH> nox, no, xawtv and gqcam
[12:27] <stevenj> I am having strange problems today and nothing has changed--I do not use backports....first firestarter has to be disabled to browse google.com and now firefox automatically disabled ad block and said it was too old...even though I made a change in firefox right after 1.0.6 (official) came out to accept 1.0 extentions
[12:27] <nox> MartenH, so try gnomemeeting. 1. it comes with ubuntu. 2. it works with most of the cams
[12:27] <MartenH> k
[12:27] <balistic2> linuxjones, after i make that floppy netinstall disk can i install ubuntu
[12:27] <stevenj> anyone else having strange things happen or is it just me
[12:28] <ChrischiO`GER> can anybody tell me a ftpserver where i dont have to make as system users as accounts or use sqr databases?
[12:28] <ChrischiO`GER> +many
[12:28] <tim> if I killall'd esd (to play a game) is there a way to start it back up from the command line?
[12:28] <aceb747> is someone was comparing the ubuntu repository with debians what would you say about it?
[12:28] <Jemt> stevenj: You could try deleting your personal profile for firestarter and start the program again
[12:28] <tim> w/out logging out then back in
[12:28] <thoreauputic> stevenj: odd - have you run apt-get upgrade or just installed firefox?
[12:29] <LinuxJones> balistic2, I don't know of a netinstall floppy for Ubuntu no :(
[12:29] <thoreauputic> tim:  just esd & should do it
[12:29] <stevenj> thoreauputic, right after the official 1.0.6 came out and just upgrade
[12:29] <stevenj> ubuntu upgrade
[12:29] <LinuxJones> balistic2, you don't have a cdrom for your laptop ?
[12:30] <thoreauputic> stevenj: what I was getting at was whether your system is fully updated
[12:30] <Codyman> so whats the deal with ubuntu these days... whats the release schedule right now?
[12:30] <tim> thoreauputic, lol oh didn't think it would be that easy :-P thx man
[12:30] <balistic2> no i dont
[12:30] <kemik> ChrischiO`GER:  glftpd ?
[12:30] <thoreauputic> tim: :)
[12:30] <MartenH> nox, no device found
[12:30] <balistic2> but my other computers have cd rom drives
[12:30] <MartenH> nox, however the sound form the cam works
[12:30] <balistic2> they are all on network
[12:30] <balistic2> its just this laptop thats pissing me off
[12:30] <HrdwrBoB> Codyman: same as always
[12:31] <thoreauputic> Codyman: every 6 months - next release in October
[12:31] <Codyman> very cool... 5.10?
[12:31] <MartenH> nox, I think I'll need that ov51x instead. I know where to get it but it needs to be compiled and replace the old one, and I have no experience doing that
[12:31] <kemik> !nex
[12:31] <ubotu> kemik: Are you smoking crack?
[12:31] <kemik> !next
[12:31] <ubotu> No idea, kemik
[12:31] <kemik> !nextrelease
[12:31] <ubotu> [nextrelease]  6 months after the last one, always
[12:31] <stevenj> thoreauputic, it appears to be and everything was working perfectly last night...and today I get home from work...no one uses this box....strange
[12:31] <ChrischiO`GER> kemik - thx
[12:31] <Jemt> !help
[12:31] <jakestah> Does anyone know how to make a folder form the terminal?
[12:31] <thoreauputic> stevenj: :(
[12:31] <balistic2> what should i do
[12:32] <kemik> jakestah:  mkdir
[12:32] <jakestah> Thank you!
[12:32] <thoreauputic> jakestah: mkdir <directoryname>
[12:32] <stevenj> guess I'll reboot
[12:32] <stevenj> :/
[12:32] <balistic2> can i install any windows using floppy
[12:32] <jakestah> Thanks!
[12:32] <ChrischiO`GER> kemik - any others not hard to install/configure?
[12:32] <ixion> whats the syntax to mount a samba share please?
[12:32] <aceb747> jakestah: mkdir
[12:32] <LinuxJones> balistic2, can you purchase a cdrom drive for your laptop ?
[12:32] <cefx> Seveas, what's the "ubuntu" way of editing Xorg.conf?
[12:32] <balistic2> linuxjones, how much is an external cd rom drive cost
[12:32] <kemik> ChrischiO`GER:  not sure. .think glftpd is a wee bit unfriendly to setup :/
[12:33] <Codyman> does anyone know if wifi will be improved with the next release... ndiswrapper works but i'd like to see some native support
[12:33] <MartenH> balistic2, you sholl look into network installation
[12:33] <yhager> ixion: mount -t smbfs //<server>/<share> /<local path -o username=<user>,password=<pass>,dom=<domain>
[12:33] <ChrischiO`GER> kemik - "unfriendly" ^^
[12:33] <LinuxJones> balistic2, probably alot...do you know anybody who has one that you could borrow...maybe a friend's ?
[12:33] <vader1102> balistic2: $5.00 here where I live at pawn shops
[12:33] <balistic2> martenH, how do i do this i havent gotten a clear explanation on how
[12:33] <geneo93> balistic2:  get an adaptor ide to laptop drive
[12:33] <thoreauputic> cefx: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:34] <icewt> balistic2, you could install debian with netinstall, and "upgrade" to ubuntu. don't know how well it works though. there's some info http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/upgrade-sarge
[12:34] <Jemt> !guide
[12:34] <ubotu> Jemt: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[12:34] <Jemt> !ubuntuguide
[12:34] <ubotu> well, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[12:34] <LinuxJones> MartenH, is there a netinstall using a floppy disk ?
[12:34] <MartenH> balistic2, don't know just that it can be done. ANother suggestion is to get a small non-GUI distribution on there and then download a real one to the HD and install it form there
[12:34] <kemik> balistic2:  or just plugin a CD-rom temporarily in your laptop and install ubuntu ?
[12:34] <balistic2> I DONT Have a hd rom drive
[12:35] <f_newton> woof then youve got a problem
[12:35] <ixion> yhager: I get bad fs type on //server/share ?
[12:35] <MartenH> LinuxJones, Never done netinstallation but I know it can be done with both windows and linux. google is your friend :)
[12:35] <kemik> balistic2:  cant borrow one i mean ?
[12:35] <MartenH> nox, you leave?
[12:35] <fuci> Hello
[12:35] <ixion> yhager: obviously I didnt use "//server/share" but used a correct UNC
[12:35] <fuci> Can someone help me with mounting windows drive ?
[12:35] <nox> MartenH, im here, but i have no idea how to solve your problem. you tried www.ubuntuforums.org ?
[12:35] <LinuxJones> MartenH, not for me I was just asking on balistic2's behalf :)
[12:35] <balistic2> no i dont know anyone that has one kemik
[12:35] <thoreauputic> !mountwindows
[12:35] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, mountwindows is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[12:36] <yhager> fuci, go ahead
[12:36] <MartenH> nox, I think I'll need that ov51x instead. I know where to get it but it needs to be compiled and replace the old one, and I have no experience doing tha.. do you?
[12:36] <Gabriel> I need a keymap (that has been made part of Breezy) on my Hoary laptop, is there a simple package I can install to update my system's keymaps?
[12:36] <thoreauputic> fuci: read the bot's URL above
[12:36] <nox> MartenH, i don`t know whats ov51x, but compiling programs is very simple. the problem is the dependencies
[12:36] <fuci> when i type /etc/fstab it says permission denied, and im only one who uses this, and i only created 1 profile
[12:36] <balistic2> martenh, so i install debian using a net install
[12:36] <fuci> thoreauputic, ok, i'll see
[12:37] <kemik> balistic2:  well, put the HD from your laptop into a computer and put the win98 cd on it, boot witha floppy and install..
[12:37] <nox> fuci, fstab is a text file, not a file you can run. "sudo gedit /etc/fstab" to edit it.
[12:37] <mark__> lo guys, can anyone tell me how to format a HD in Linux?
[12:37] <balistic2> martenh, then i upgrade to ubuntu how
[12:37] <thoreauputic> fuci: to edit fstab you need to use sudo: sudo gedit /etc/fstab for instance
[12:37] <MartenH> balistic2, don't know, sorry
[12:37] <mark__> from ntfs to ext3 for example
[12:37] <fuci> ok, thanks ill try !
[12:37] <balistic2> ugh i need a solution
[12:37] <nox> thoreauputic, i think he was trying to run the file. :)
[12:37] <JoRock> hi does anyone know of a pci wireless card that is linux friendly?
[12:37] <nox> mark__: with cfdisk for instance
[12:37] <thoreauputic> nox: seems like it, yeah :)
[12:37] <kemik> icewt balistic2, you could install debian with netinstall, and "upgrade" to ubuntu. don't know how well it works though. there's some info http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/upgrade-sarge
[12:38] <mark__> thanks nox
[12:38] <f_newton> JoRock, usually anything with a prism2 intercil driver
[12:38] <kemik> (that was a quote of icewt)
[12:38] <MartenH> nox, I have the site for the driver, and the file I _think_ i need but don't know how to go from there
[12:38] <stevenj> is anyone having problems with firestater today?
[12:38] <vader1102> JoRock: I am using the dlw-g650 and it works great
[12:38] <nox> MartenH, what is ov51x ?!
[12:38] <mark__> nox are there any other ways of formatting? last time I did it I used a different thing, not cfdisk
[12:38] <nox> MartenH, and what makes you think you need it?
[12:39] <JoRock> vader1102: was it any effort to set up?
[12:39] <MartenH> nox, a replacement driver for ov511 (the driver ubuntu uses for my cam)
[12:39] <shammy> ndiswrapper doesn't install with ubuntu does it?
[12:39] <shammy> becuase that would make things alot easier
[12:39] <vader1102> no, all I did was use the madwif
[12:39] <nox> mark__, that`s linux. TIMTOWTDI always.
[12:39] <JoRock> madwif?
[12:39] <f_newton> madwifi
[12:39] <thoreauputic> !info ndiswrapper
[12:39] <mark__> nox TIMTOWTDI? :o
[12:39] <HakonBH> TIMTOWTDI???
[12:39] <MartenH> JoRock, if you are looking to use WPA bbe sure to do your research for a good card, some are very tricky
[12:39] <vader1102> JoRock: it is installed with Ubuntu
[12:39] <nox> There is more than one way to do it
[12:39] <mark__> nox im pretty sure i did it differently last time :)
[12:40] <mark__> nox, do u know of any other ways? :D
[12:40] <shammy> vader1102: what is madwifi?
[12:40] <JoRock> nice
[12:40] <f_newton> JoRock, if you get one (like a netgear b card or an agere (2wire) card with the intersil prism2 driver you dont need ndiswrapper or anything
[12:40] <ixion> yhager: I get bad fs type on //server/share ?
[12:40] <ixion> yhager: obviously I didnt use "//server/share" but used a correct UNC
[12:40] <vader1102> like ndiswrapper only it is installed with ubuntu
[12:40] <JoRock> so you recommend an netgear type b?
[12:40] <f_newton> vader1102, madwifi is pre installed with ubuntu?
[12:40] <shammy> f_newton: I have a netgear b/g card, I don't need ndiswrapper?
[12:40] <chrischio> Hi ChrischiO
[12:40] <f_newton> right
[12:41] <balistic2> Ok im GOING TO NETINSTALL DEBIAN
[12:41] <f_newton> shammy, me too
[12:41] <balistic2> HOW DO I DO THIS
[12:41] <ChrischiO`GER> Oh Hi ChrischiO_, how are you today?
[12:41] <nox> mark__: why don`t you do it with cfdisk? it is realy good..
[12:41] <Sputn1k> where is lilo config file?
[12:41] <chrischio> ^
[12:41] <balistic2> how do i netinstall debian
[12:41] <balistic2> using floppy
[12:41] <f_newton> lilo?
[12:41] <mark__> nox, what command do i need to issue? i dont wanna screw anything up
[12:41] <f_newton> lordy probably at mandriva
[12:41] <vader1102> yes, f_newton
[12:41] <nox> mark__: there is a thousands of way to do it. i think that this is the best way
[12:41] <thoreauputic> Sputn1k: ubuntu uses the grub bootloader
[12:41] <nox> mark__: sudo apt-get install cfdisk
[12:41] <kemik> balistic2:  tried google? or debian.org ?
[12:41] <f_newton> vader1102, good to know
[12:41] <vader1102> everything I have seen and read
[12:41] <shammy> f_newton: so that means I do not need ndiswrapper?
[12:42] <nox> mark__: and then just write cfdisk, its all CLI
[12:42] <kemik> balistic2:  or #debian ?
[12:42] <f_newton> well if you are using a netgear card or similar with intersil prism2 driver no you dont shammy
[12:42] <Sputn1k> thoreauputic: i know, but where is lilo fonfig?
[12:42] <vader1102> shammy: go to that site I gave you earlier, and look
[12:42] <chrischio> kemik?
[12:42] <shammy> vader1102: where can I find madwifi? It's not under net apps or system tools
[12:42] <f_newton> not the 2.5 driver now....
[12:42] <nox> MartenH, ok, give me the link to the site, and your cpu type
[12:42] <shammy> vader1102: my adapter isn't on that list, no
[12:43] <thoreauputic> Sputn1k: the config file for grub is in /boot/grub/   if you want lilo you need to install it and use /etc/lilo.conf if I remember correctly
[12:43] <vader1102> then I would use ndiswrapper
[12:43] <vader1102> there may be other ones but do not know
[12:43] <f_newton> ndiswrapper saves a lot of people's oddball cards
[12:44] <jakestah> Does anyone know how to delete a file through the terminal?
[12:44] <vader1102> f_newton: I tried ndiswrapper for my card before I did madwifi and it wouldn't work, first try with madwifi worked great!!
[12:45] <thoreauputic> jakestah: rm <file>
[12:45] <ixion> is there an equivilent to adobe premier for linux? I want to edit some digital video
[12:45] <jakestah> thank you!
[12:45] <vader1102> and I am using the dwl-g650, it was a refurb but cheap
[12:45] <balistic2> hey can install ubuntu using my ipod?
[12:45] <Goodspeed> whats a good tutorial for getting a soundcard to work?
[12:46] <thoreauputic> jakestah: I suggest a visit to http://tuxfiles.org for some basic commandline instruction ;-)
[12:46] <holycow> Cinelerra  <-- very crashy but good video editor
[12:46] <balistic2> goodspeed, try google?
[12:46] <Goodspeed> fine fine...
[12:46] <Goodspeed> how would i find out what my kernel version is?
[12:46] <holycow> kino is supposed to be decent
[12:46] <thoreauputic> Goodspeed: uname -r
[12:46] <yhager> jakestah: also try 'man intro' for some introduction of the basic stuff..
[12:46] <vader1102> uname -r
[12:46] <balistic2> goodspeed, uname -r
[12:46] <Goodspeed> thankssss
[12:46] <vader1102> heheh got lots of responses out of that one lol
[12:47] <holycow> there is an inexpensive commercial linux video editor that probably works the best out of the bunch
[12:47] <thoreauputic> yhager: ah, didn't know about man intro - learn something new every day :)
[12:47] <kemik> balistic2:  if you can boot from your usbdevice then maybe
[12:48] <yhager> thoreauputic: yup.. sometimes the solutions are right in front of us, but we go a long way to find them elsewhere..
[12:48] <balistic2> kemik, if i put all the files from my ubuntu cd rom
[12:48] <balistic2> kemik, to my ipod will it work
[12:49] <ubuntu_> i got a problem... something wrong with my lilo... it don't display any boot screen but boots stright to windowsxp... now i bootet from ubuntu live-cd and mountet my ext3 disk, but don't know what to do... any ideas?
[12:49] <kemik> balistic2:  if it's bootable, perhaps
[12:49] <balistic2> how can i make it bootable?
[12:49] <tim> is epiphany going to be the default browser in ubuntu?
[12:49] <tim> ubuntu breezy*
[12:49] <thoreauputic> yhager: I've heard guys with 20 years unix experience say "I didn't know that one!"  :)
[12:49] <shammy> these instructions for ndiswrapper say I need a kernel with source, does ubuntu install the source on it's install?
[12:50] <HenryTonto> gents looking for a good video editer, hear that cinlerra is a bit flakey any other good ones?
[12:50] <vader1102> Seveas: shammy's question is above my knowledge
[12:50] <mcquillg> Hey all.
[12:50] <yhager> ubuntu_: look into /etc/lilo.conf (are you sure you are using lilo?).
[12:51] <mcquillg> Does Ubuntu run any ipchains rules by default?
[12:51] <ubuntu_> yhager, pretty mutch...
[12:51] <vader1102> shammy: I have no idea
[12:51] <kemik> mcquillg:  check it by doint iptables --list
[12:52] <jakestah> If I am trying to install Java for FireFox do I put the symbolic link in /etc/mozilla-firefox/plugins ?
[12:52] <vader1102> I think I had to download them for madwifi too
[12:52] <thoreauputic> mcquillg: iptables, and not really as there are no "open" ports since there are no services running by default
[12:52] <shammy> vader1102: is there any way i could use madwifi> If it;s already installed
[12:52] <vader1102> shammy: I do not know
[12:52] <yhager> ubuntu_: look for a 'default' field there - I think the list starts from 0. you probably have winxp as default, with small timeout for you to choose something else
[12:52] <mcquillg> Yes, but I'm running an https server and the connection attempts are being logged in my /var/log/messages, but not in my apache logs.
[12:52] <vader1102> shammy: wish I did
[12:53] <shammy> I'll figure this out eventually
[12:53] <vader1102> that's how I was lol
[12:53] <shammy> time to go attempt to follow these instructions
[12:53] <vader1102> Will_: having a hard time?
[12:53] <vader1102> shammy: have fun
[12:54] <jakestah> Has anyone here set up Java for Firefox?
[12:54] <thoreauputic> !java
[12:54] <ubotu> it has been said that java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[12:54] <vader1102> jakestah: not I
[12:54] <johnstock> hi
[12:54] <jakestah> !java
[12:54] <johnstock> ask!
[12:54] <thoreauputic> !tell jakestah about java
[12:55] <ubuntu_> yhager, on win xp i ran partitionmagic8 (or something like that) but it doesn't recognize my ext3... that means something is wrong?
[12:55] <holycow> no, it just doesn't support ext3
[12:55] <paulproteus> ubuntu_: It could instead mean Partition Magic isn't designed to recognize ext3 partitions.
[12:55] <fuci> I have 2HD, one with windows, and ubuntu, and one with just files and all others.. how do i mount my HD2 ?
[12:55] <paulproteus> (Though that seems unlikely....)
[12:55] <johnstock> ask! problem with ndiswrapper with broadcom wlan chipset
[12:55] <yhager> ubuntu_: if you see the partition from the livecd boot, then I guess it's ok..
[12:56] <ubuntu_> paulproteus, it does recognise...
[12:56] <onx> ver irc.laisladelax.com.ar
[12:56] <HenryTonto> I did a seach for cinelerra and got no result back, please can someone let me know of any others that i could use
[12:56] <jakestah> About the !java thing I get E: Couldn't find package sun-j2re1.5 when I try it
[12:56] <vader1102> ubuntu_: I use partition magic a lot and it does see ext3
[12:56] <LasseL> I wonder how ubuntu is going to deal with openoffice2 if they refuse to distribute java
[12:56] <thoreauputic> jakestah: that's because you didn't click the link near the top of that page to see how to add the repositories :)
[12:57] <jakestah> o
[12:57] <thoreauputic> jakestah: or, you didn't update or both :)
[12:57] <ubuntu_> yhager, maby theare is some lilo autodetect... or autoconfig?
[12:57] <johnstock> ubuntu_: maybe use partition magic recovery floppy with boot
[12:57] <vader1102> HenryToronto:http://heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra.php3
[12:57] <ixion> HenryTonto: add this source deb http://www.kiberpipa.org/~minmax/cinelerra/builds/sid/ ./
[12:57] <harold_> HEllo all
[12:58] <yhager> ubuntu_: I don't know of any. Can you paste your lilo.conf to pastebin?
[12:58] <skalpel> can u  eject the cd from my command line
[12:58] <vader1102> eject works for me
[12:58] <harold_> Anyone: Know how to compile madwifi for a PowerPC?
[12:59] <fuci> Any finnish people here ?
[12:59] <thoreauputic> skalpel: use the eject command
[12:59] <mjr> fuci, yes, but more on #ubuntu-fi
[12:59] <ubuntu_> yhager, pastebin? what is that...?
[12:59] <thoreauputic> !pate
[12:59] <ubotu> thoreauputic: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[12:59] <thoreauputic> !paste
[12:59] <ubotu> somebody said paste was please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[01:00] <MartenH> What does this error mean and how can I correct it? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/910
[01:00] <mjr> LasseL, work is being done in getting OO.org 2 java parts to run with free java implementations
[01:00] <ubuntu_> !paste
[01:00] <yhager> ubuntu_: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[01:00] <vader1102> harold_http://sourceforge.net/projects/madwifi/
[01:01] <harold_> vader1102: Thanks, but I've been there.
[01:01] <vader1102> harold_: http://sourceforge.net/projects/madwifi/ sorry for that
[01:01] <harold_> vader1102: That's okay.
[01:01] <vader1102> that was my best guess
[01:01] <MartenH> Some help anyone? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/910
[01:01] <harold_> vader1102: I'm in the middle of compiling madwifi; I just need some help with some of these variables, I think.  Like KERNELRELEASE and TARGET and such.
[01:01] <thoreauputic> MartenH: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[01:02] <vader1102> harold_: http://debian.isg.ee.ethz.ch/public/pool-sarge/madwifi/madwifi_20041023-1_i386.build
[01:02] <ubuntu_> yhager, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/911
[01:02] <aceb747> is someone was comparing the ubuntu repository with debians what would you say about it?
[01:02] <vader1102> that one may help you
[01:03] <jasoncohen> harold_, um- you do realize that madwifi is already installed on ubuntu?
[01:03] <f_newton> I am so glad that someone has finally brought a debian based os into the forefront
[01:03] <jasoncohen> harold_, linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386 has madwifi. all you have to do is modprobe ath_pci
[01:03] <harold_> jasoncohen: Yes, but apparently it doesn't work on PowerPC
[01:03] <harold_> jasoncohen: I mean it works, but...
[01:03] <jasoncohen> ah
[01:03] <vader1102> bbl, need to have a shower
[01:04] <jasoncohen> harold_, works, but what?
[01:04] <harold_> jasoncohen: ...I'm guessing it has to be compiled.
[01:04] <f_newton> as I go about my tasks I am just thrilled at the stability and ease of use
[01:04] <harold_> jasoncohen: You see...
[01:04] <johnstock> ask! problem with ndiswrapper with broadcom wlan chipset
[01:04] <f_newton> broadcom works very well with ndiswrapper
[01:04] <yhager> ubuntu_: it looks like it is configured correctly to boot into linux. Try to increase the delay to 200, so you'll have 20 seconds to play with the boot menu
[01:04] <Agamotto> Hallo all
[01:05] <Raf99> its funny how Ubuntu's dictionary doesn't have the word Ubuntu in it :P
[01:05] <yhager> ubuntu_: you'll need to run lilo after the change..
[01:05] <MartenH> thoreauputic, ty
[01:05] <jasoncohen> Raf99, what's ubuntu's dictionary?
[01:05] <harold_> jasoncohen: ...I compiled it before, with the assistance of a few folks here, and it worked.  Yet now that I've removed most of my Ubuntu packages, and reinstalled ubuntu-base, it no longer works.  I'm not entirely certain how to compile it correctly.  I've been trying by myself all afternoon.
[01:05] <thoreauputic> MartenH: no worries :)
[01:05] <ubuntu_> yhager, and how i must do that?
[01:05] <Raf99> in the menu...
[01:06] <Raf99> applicatons/accessories/dictionary
[01:06] <tim> I have a question about installation. If I have a wireless keyboard/mouse would I be able to install hoary using those? when would I be able to use it during the install process? Would I need a wired keyboard to install then switch over to a wireless?
[01:06] <ixion> when I try apt-get install cinelerra I get a bunch of dependency errors, can I not tell apt to download them?
[01:06] <harold_> jasoncohen: When I modprobe ath_pci I get the following error: FATAL: Module ath_pci not found.
[01:06] <yhager> ubuntu_: If I remember correctly, just run 'lilo' from the command line, although the case may be different if you booted from a livecd. Check the man page (man lilo, man lilo.conf)
[01:07] <f_newton> ubuntu uses lilo?
[01:07] <f_newton> I thought it was grub
[01:07] <Raf99> tim - from my understanding you need a wired to start the install.
[01:07] <rajiv_> I think its Gurb
[01:07] <thoreauputic> sudo lilo -v is "verbose" and helps if you made an error
[01:07] <ubuntu_> yhager, thanx for wasted time on me...
[01:07] <johnstock> f_newton: can you help me for broadcom wlan?
[01:07] <jasoncohen> f_newton, grub is used on i386 and amd64 i think
[01:07] <f_newton> lilo is limited and obsolete
[01:07] <yhager> f_newton: yes, it's grub, but ubuntu_ is pretty sure he is using lilo.. :)
[01:08] <jasoncohen> f_newton, lilo is used on ppc i believe and i know it's used on LVM root partitions
[01:08] <bimberi> tim: if your wireless k/b works for the bios - ie. to manipulate the setup menu - then there's a good chance it will work for the install
[01:08] <jasoncohen> grub can't boot off LVM
[01:08] <MartenH> thoreauputic, it tells me it can't lock /var/lib/dpkg (and btw, uname should be uname or my username?)
[01:08] <thoreauputic> jasoncohen: ppc uses "yaboot"
[01:08] <jasoncohen> thoreauputic, oh
[01:08] <bimberi> tim: not sure about the mouse tho
[01:08] <tim> bimberi, do most BIOS support wireless keyboards?
[01:08] <f_newton> johnstock not I am sorry I have known many in fedora who have had success with ndiswrapper and broadcom chipsets but I use an orinoco prism2 card
[01:08] <Nevado> any idea why Gnome won't associate VLC with movie files? If I try to add it manually it comes upw ith an error
[01:08] <tim> bimberi, and does grub (so I can use my keyboard to choose the kernel/OS to boot)
[01:08] <yhager> ubuntu_: you're welcome
[01:09] <Raf99> i've never heard of any BIOS supporting wireless.  I am getting old thou... 27 this month :S
[01:09] <thoreauputic> MartenH: close synaptic or whatever other instance of apt is running: type the command literally as i gave it
[01:09] <bimberi> tim: some do.  I have a PC built on a mini-itx board that does
[01:09] <f_newton> Raf99, er getting old?
[01:09] <Raf99> lol
[01:09] <thoreauputic> MartenH: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[01:09] <rajiv_> anyone using beagle here?
[01:09] <f_newton> Raf99, my wireless comes on as I boot the install
[01:09] <bimberi> tim: (to your 2nd q) - yes - with similar qualifications
[01:09] <Agamotto> Old at 27.....
[01:09] <MartenH> thoreauputic, sorry, forgot i had synaptic open in another workspace. getting the pacakge now
[01:10] <Raf99> hehe, i'm out folks.
[01:10] <tim> bimberi, thx a lot :)
[01:10] <thoreauputic> MartenH: easy to do ;)
[01:10] <f_newton> but no bios does not initiate a wifi connect but it can initiate a pcmcia card
[01:10] <Raf99> time to watch 4400.
[01:10] <bimberi> Raf99: You're a spring chicken mate :)
[01:10] <f_newton> yeah Raf99 is just a baby
[01:10] <Raf99> are you calling me a chick :|   ( hehe )
[01:11] <jasoncohen> Nevado, works fine here- right click the file, properties, open with and choose VLC.
[01:11] <jasoncohen> "vlc media player"
[01:11] <stevenj> just thought I would let everyone know that www.google.com no longer works with the official firestarter (1.0.1) but does however work with backports firestarter (1.0.3) thats crazy it just started not working
[01:11] <bimberi> Raf99: :)
[01:11] <f_newton> stevenj it works for me
[01:11] <f_newton> but I use 1.05
[01:11] <f_newton> uh 6
[01:12] <f_newton> heh
[01:12] <thoreauputic> MartenH: just FYI, the $(uname -r) part of that expands to your kernel version ( type uname -r to see what I mean)
[01:12] <jasoncohen> stevenj, you sure?
[01:12] <stevenj> well until today it worked 1.0.1 so who knows
[01:12] <stevenj> no changes
[01:12] <LokeDK> where's the sshd log?
[01:12] <jasoncohen> stevenj, that didn't happen to me
[01:12] <f_newton> stevenj 1.01 is old
[01:12] <Nevado> jasoncohen, when I do that it says "Could not add application to the application database"
[01:13] <stevenj> yes but thats the "official" ubuntu version
[01:13] <MartenH> thoreauputic, I figured that out on my own :) But thanks, it's always nice to know what I'm doing and not just follow blindly
[01:13] <stevenj> so now I use backports and it works again
[01:13] <CircleofChaos> Is there a channel I can go to, to ask computer hardware questions or can I ask it here?
[01:13] <Nevado> jasoncohen, works fine for any other apps... however mine is called "VLC for GNOME" rather than "VLC media player"
[01:13] <thoreauputic> MartenH: cool :) And yes, that's why I mentioned it
[01:13] <CircleofChaos> May I?
[01:13] <MartenH> thoreauputic, I guess I need gcc to. will that package suffice or should I get any of the multitude of other gcc packages avaliabe
[01:13] <jasoncohen> Nevado, so, what happens when you choose "vLC for gnome"?
[01:14] <thoreauputic> MartenH: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[01:14] <direwolf> i was getting an error with the backports all day. I forget what the mirror is..its on forums somewhere
[01:14] <chrischio> hm...
[01:14] <Nevado> jasoncohen, it comes up with that error (could not add application to application database)
[01:14] <stevenj> maybe it was just me...but that was my solution...for whats it worth :) now I eat. :)
[01:14] <MartenH> thoreauputic, ah ok, ty
[01:14] <linlin> Has anyone ever used CrossoverOffice on ubuntu?
[01:14] <linlin> I cant get it to work :(
[01:14] <f_newton> stevenj mine says ver1.06 and its the one that came with the install
[01:14] <thoreauputic> MartenH: apt-cache show build-essential for info :)
[01:14] <chrischio> i downloaded, ./configured, maked and make installed pure-ftpd  ...  and now? how to start it???
[01:15] <stevenj> f_newton, hmm
[01:15] <Nevado> jasoncohen, I have gnome-vlc, vlc, vlc-gnome, and wxvlc installed - think any of those need removing maybe?
[01:15] <linlin> chrischio, /etc/init.d/ftpd start most likely
[01:15] <jasoncohen> does mozilla-plugin-vlc work with firefox?
[01:15] <linlin> if not cd /etc/init.d and look for it
[01:15] <DrFalken> hi people!
[01:15] <cefx> jason!
[01:15] <cefx> :)
[01:15] <auk> !info lilypond
[01:15] <jasoncohen> Nevado, have you used vlc? is the package vlc installed?
[01:15] <ubotu> lilypond: (A program for typesetting sheet music), section universe/tex, is optional. Version: 2.2.6-2 (hoary), Packaged size: 1030 kB, Installed size: 2908 kB
[01:15] <auk> oh
[01:15] <MartenH> thoreauputic, noted :)
[01:15] <stevenj> f_newton, official Fs version http://www.fs-security.com/news.php#release-1.0.3
[01:16] <stevenj> versions
[01:16] <Nevado> jasoncohen, yeah VLC works fine, just GNOME won't associate it with filetypes so I have to keep running it from the commandline... biut annoying
[01:16] <jasoncohen> Nevado, actually it shows up as "VLC for Gtk+"
[01:16] <DrFalken> i'm having trouble running my .xsession file
[01:16] <balistic2> can i install ubuntu using network boot
[01:16] <CircleofChaos> Is it possible to use a 115V Computer in Europe?
[01:16] <deprave> what package is gstreamer-interfaces in?
[01:16] <DrFalken> i'm using gdm from login
[01:16] <Nevado> jasoncohen, I have that too... same error... I'll try removing the "vlc-gnome" package and see if that helps
[01:16] <bimberi_> bah - modem dropped out
[01:16] <CircleofChaos> What will I need to make it happen?
[01:17] <stevenj> f_newton, strange because 1.0.3 is the newest
[01:17] <jasoncohen> Nevado, that is weird
[01:17] <linlin> Has anyone ever used CrossoverOffice on ubuntu?
[01:17] <chrischio> linlin - nothing there..
[01:17] <jasoncohen> Nevado, i'm getting the same things here now
[01:17] <thoreauputic> MartenH: for more info than you ever dreamed of, sudo apt-get install apt-howto-en ; then run apt-howto froma terminal ! ;-)
[01:17] <stevenj> f_newton, what does help --> about say?
[01:17] <Agamotto> CircleofChaos:  Usually, yes.  Flip the little switch on the back of the power supply, then plug in a lead with the right end bits.
[01:17] <Nevado> jasoncohen, did it work for you before? :\
[01:17] <deprave> what package is gstreamer-interfaces in?
[01:17] <linlin> chris try jsut ftpd start in a console
[01:17] <linlin> or proftpd start
[01:17] <linlin> etc etc
[01:17] <f_newton> ver 1.06
[01:18] <chrischio> pure ftpd^
[01:18] <thoreauputic> MartenH: or the equivalent package for your language of course...
[01:18] <linlin> you get the idea
[01:18] <f_newton> stevenj this is not my first rodeo
[01:18] <bimberi_> CircleofChaos: Depends.  Some h/w (eg. laptop power supplies) have dual-voltage.  Some don't even need a switch and are auto-sensing.
[01:18] <stevenj> f_newton, well where does that version come from I wonder....its not versioned like that on the FS site
[01:18] <CircleofChaos> Agamotto, where do I get the correct power cable to use in Europe?
[01:18] <CircleofChaos> Does newegg sell it?
[01:19] <jasoncohen> Nevado, just add custom application "vlc"
[01:19] <jasoncohen> that works
[01:19] <DrFalken> i'm having trouble running my .xsession file... it isn't loaded when i login in GDM...
[01:19] <Agamotto> CircleofChaos:  Try an online store such as cyberguys or ipower.  They should have the correct leads
[01:19] <Nevado> jasoncohen, typed in rather than selected?
[01:19] <f_newton> stevenj  its the latest version of firefox ok? it probably updated on installation of ubuntu
[01:19] <MartenH> thoreauputic, ok :)
[01:19] <MartenH> thoreauputic, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/912 please?
[01:20] <thoreauputic> DrFalken: choose the defult in the sessions list
[01:20] <f_newton> stevenj versions 1.04 and down have serious security errors
[01:20] <Nevado> jasoncohen, ah yes that works... cheers... that's odd though!
[01:20] <DrFalken> thanx bud!!!
[01:20] <DrFalken> i'll check that
[01:20] <chrischio> linlin - hmm... cursor blinks but nothing happens..
[01:20] <Zodiac> Sup ya'll
[01:20] <jasoncohen> Nevado, yes it is
[01:20] <stevenj> f_newton, I am not even taking about Firefox-I am talking about FS (Firestarter)
[01:20] <Agamotto> Firestarter - that is a firewall, yes?
[01:20] <f_newton> lol oh... well gee guess I saw that wrong
[01:21] <CircleofChaos> Thank you! I will try the stores. :)
[01:21] <MartenH> thoreauputic, it almost looks like the file I downloaded wasn't correct.. odd.. it is stated as working
[01:21] <stevenj> :)
[01:21] <Zodiac> Question, I have an IBM laptop with a USB disk drive... but I can't get the bitch to work...
[01:21] <thoreauputic> MartenH: this one I can't help with, I'm afraid
[01:21] <Zodiac> Is there something I should be doing then just plugging it in??
[01:22] <f_newton> well tell her you'll buy her a volvo
[01:22] <thoreauputic> MartenH: are you following a howto?
[01:22] <MartenH> thoreauputic, darn. ok well I'll try another version and hopefully it won't have those errors
[01:22] <f_newton> then you can sit home with your ibm laptop
[01:22] <MartenH> thoreauputic, yes, however it only stated to run the "make" command which, as you see, isn't wokring :/
[01:23] <thoreauputic> MartenH: check to see if you need automake
[01:23] <Goodspeed> someone say goodspeed
[01:23] <Goodspeed> i wanna test my soundcard
[01:23] <kaffeend> heya
[01:23] <_SWAT_> is there a way of seeing which packages I have installed on my PC? (instead of remembering them all)
[01:23] <MartenH> thoreauputic, FYI http://alpha.dyndns.org/ov511/install.html
[01:23] <Goodspeed> sommeone say goodspeed
[01:23] <HollowFrank> /nick Sphere_o_ph33r
[01:23] <Goodspeed> so i can test my soundcard
[01:24] <misfit_toy> goodspeed
[01:24] <bretzel> Hello there, Where to put nice Ubuntu screenshots ?
[01:24] <kaffeend> can anyone tell me what I need to do to play games on Ubunto please?
[01:24] <Goodspeed> damn
[01:24] <f_newton> goodspeed
[01:24] <f_newton> not working?
[01:24] <Goodspeed> the internal sound player thing beeps
[01:24] <Goodspeed> not my speakers :(
[01:24] <_SWAT_> kaffeend, try Cedega
[01:24] <f_newton> misfit_toy, watcha doon in here?  lol
[01:24] <harold_> Who is this Seveas?
[01:24] <harold_> LOL
[01:24] <_SWAT_> Seveas is a very helpfull person :D
[01:25] <Goodspeed> i hear something when i hit default sink and set it to alsa
[01:25] <bretzel> And also I need where to get latest KDE (3.4.2) ... -> kubuntu repo ???
[01:25] <_SWAT_> bretzel, try a webspace somewhere? :P
[01:25] <harold_> Hey Ubuntuheads, I got my Wi-Fi connection working again!  Madwifi!
[01:25] <Goodspeed> but when i set deafult source to alsa and test it freezes
[01:25] <kaffeend> SWAT I am reading that page and I'm completely lost - looks like I have to write the games myself lol
[01:25] <Goodspeed> and i hear nothing
[01:25] <InquiringMind> Because Ubuntu is open source and there are tons more people working on it, more than there are with the Mac OS X, why isnt Ubuntu so much better and easier to use than OSX
[01:25] <bretzel> _SWAT_: :-) indeed I am stupid :-)
[01:25] <thoreauputic> MartenH: did you edit the makefile as it suggests? INCLUDEDIR=/path_to_kernel_source/include  << run dpkg -L linux-headers-$(uname -r) to see where it installed
[01:26] <glick> hey does anyone have any idea why my shit segfaulted when i tried to build backports of the breezy wxpython src package?
[01:26] <harold_> It's mad, I tell ya!Q
[01:26] <harold_> (Maddening.)
[01:26] <harold_> Am I alone here?
[01:26] <MartenH> thoreauputic, in the process of doing so now :)
[01:26] <glick> it was building fine for like 40 mins
[01:26] <_SWAT_> kaffeend, just pay up the 3 euro's a month and buy the program. Then you can play lots of games and even have a nice GUI (point2play) :D
[01:26] <thoreauputic> MartenH: unless it *really* needs the full linux-source
[01:26] <glick> then segfaulted and the build aborted
[01:26] <glick> i need the latest wxpython
[01:26] <tim> InquiringMind, because very few people are getting payed for workin on ubuntu....
[01:26] <kaffeend> SWAT cool... I will do that then! Thankyou
[01:26] <elvirolo> hi all
[01:26] <kaffeend> SWAT are you Seveas?
[01:27] <Razor-X> Seveas has become famous here, I see ;)
[01:27] <direwolf> not to mention its a newer distro
[01:27] <elvirolo> i want to add the volume control applet in the gnome panel, but it doesn't work... could anyone help me?
[01:27] <kaffeend> indeed
[01:27] <thoreauputic> MartenH: note that in ubuntu kernel-source becomes linux-source
[01:27] <_SWAT_> kaffeend, no I'm not Seveas. Why should my name be SWAT otherwise?
[01:27] <Razor-X> Seveas: if you're listening, a nice spreadsheet equilavent for LaTeX is LaTeXss
[01:28] <_SWAT_> or Calc (openoffice)
[01:28] <glick> any one successfully backport wxpython2.6.0 to hoary?
[01:28] <kaffeend> SWAT - you could be hiding/spying/avoiding wife
[01:28] <Razor-X> _SWAT_: does that take the purpose of LaTeX?
[01:28] <elvirolo> anyone?
[01:28] <_SWAT_> kaffeend, LOL (I'm a happy single guy, it has his advantages)
[01:29] <MartenH> thoreauputic, same errors sadly. But they look to be code-related rather than some inclusion issues... I'll do some looking around. perhaps I can get hold of the author
[01:29] <cefx> anyone here run cedega?
[01:29] <kaffeend> SWAT - I know ;)
[01:29] <Razor-X> cefx: #cedega ;)
[01:29] <thoreauputic> elvirolo: normally you right click the panel, run down the list and add it...
[01:29] <cefx> I'm in there.
[01:29] <_SWAT_> Razor-X, no sorry. I just read spreadsheet program so I answered the call ;-)
[01:29] <cefx> Nobody is talk.
[01:29] <Razor-X> heh, meh
[01:29] <cefx> talking
[01:29] <_SWAT_> cefx, I'm
[01:29] <direwolf> i thought it was there by default
[01:29] <kaffeend> Razor-X are you intending to play many games?
[01:29] <FuMo> any here one got ruby on rails working?
[01:29] <MartenH> thoreauputic, thanks for all the help so far!
[01:29] <Razor-X> yeah, I prefer non-WYSIWYG, because WYSIWYG becomes a pain, but if Gnumeric is nice...
[01:30] <Razor-X> kaffeend: hmmm?
[01:30] <elvirolo> thoreauputic, oh hi again
[01:30] <thoreauputic> MartenH: good luck - you seem to be thinking which is refreshing ;-)
[01:30] <Razor-X> then i'll use it, and convert it to LaTeX format to make it beautiful! ;)
[01:30] <elvirolo> thoreauputic, yes i did that, but it just won't add it to the panel
[01:30] <cefx> _SWAT_, cedega does not see my c_drive/windows directories.
[01:30] <kaffeend> Razor-X sorry I thought you were ASKING about cedega - my bad
[01:30] <cefx> I don't understand why.
[01:30] <Razor-X> kaffeend: meh
[01:31] <Agamotto> Cedega - that is the softs that allow you to play windows games, yes?
[01:31] <_SWAT_> cefx, check the forums (post something) and wait. And/or say something on IRC and just wait. I'm quite new to Cedega
[01:31] <thoreauputic> elvirolo: ah - have you tried refreshing the panel? killall gnome-panel (don't worry, it respawns)
[01:31] <goldfish> Agamotto: yes.
[01:31] <brad[] > Is Luxi sans available for Ubuntu?
[01:31] <brad[] > (The font)
[01:31] <kaffeend> Agamotto - yup, as far as I know
[01:31] <Razor-X> I converted my special friend (how special, I won't say ;) to Ubuntu
[01:31] <Agamotto> Hmmm, I wonder if it will allow you to play stuff like Baldur's Gate 2 and the upcoming Civ4?
[01:32] <glick> anyone here backport wxpython from breezy to hoary?
[01:32] <InquiringMind> How do I configure 3D acceleration for VIA so that I can use 3d desktop ?
[01:32] <Agamotto> I shall have to investigate
[01:32] <Razor-X> Civ4... mmmm, I would love to play that game
[01:32] <_SWAT_> Razor-X, nice :)
[01:32] <thoreauputic> brad[] : not sure - but have you installed msttcorefonts ? (from multiverse)
[01:32] <Razor-X> I have a Windows partition _just_ for Civ 3
[01:32] <elvirolo> thoreauputic, actually i've already tried it yeah
[01:32] <kaffeend> I'm a Ubuntu/Linux n00b so I'm hangin here hoping to learn something
[01:32] <direwolf> hey i resemble that remark razor :P
[01:32] <brad[] > thoreauputic: Yeah - luxi sans comes with Xorg usually though it's not a Microsoft font
[01:32] <kaffeend> hopefully about cedega
[01:32] <FuMo> I converted from gentoo when i recked my laptop battary leaving it to compile for a week
[01:32] <Razor-X> direwolf: hmmmm?
[01:32] <Agamotto> kaffeend:  Like any other chat channel, just mind your manners and you will do ok
[01:32] <direwolf> same here kaffeend
[01:32] <_SWAT_> kaffeend, try the forums (of both cedega and ubuntu :D)
[01:32] <thoreauputic> brad[] : ah OK - i was just guessing, frankly ;)
[01:32] <Razor-X> kaffeend: try #cedega
[01:32] <direwolf> though, not about cedega
[01:33] <jasoncohen> does mozilla-plugin-vlc work in firefox?
[01:33] <jasoncohen> it doesn't appear to
[01:33] <Vladi> hi, im trying to decide which file system to use on a network file server ( dual p3-450Mhz / 512 RAM / 100Mbits NIC ) files will be mostly ~700MB and MP3's shared over NFS? ReiserFS,Reiser4,ext3,XFS,JFS? thx!
[01:33] <kaffeend> I wanna know if Cedega will alow me to port the 64 bit vers of Far Cry
[01:33] <Agamotto> Cegega URL is transgaming.org for those who are interested
[01:33] <Razor-X> Vladi: ~700?
[01:33] <Razor-X> does that mean not 700 MB?
[01:33] <Razor-X> ;)
[01:33] <kaffeend> and yes, I have all those sites/pages up
[01:33] <Agamotto> 64 bit??? eeek
[01:33] <direwolf> approx
[01:34] <InquiringMind> How do I configure 3D acceleration for VIA so that I can use 3d desktop ?
[01:34] <_SWAT_> Vladi, that's not much. (700MB). I would say ext2 or even better ext3. It just works :)
[01:34] <maswan> Vladi: ext3 seems fine for 100Mbit/s network2
[01:34] <kaffeend> Razor_X I'll check that channel soon ;)
[01:34] <_SWAT_> Vladi, it isn't that big of a deal, just choose one
[01:34] <Razor-X> Vladi: a 700 MB partition, or what?
[01:34] <elvirolo> any idea anyone?
[01:34] <kaffeend> Agamotto what "eeek"?
[01:34] <Razor-X> you people shouldn't reccomend any old blah partition ;)
[01:34] <Vladi> Razor-X: ~ means approximately 700MB files
[01:35] <Razor-X> Vladi: ahhh, there we go
[01:35] <andy_> reiserfs is ok
[01:35] <Razor-X> Vladi: ok, here we are
[01:35] <sbj> bye
[01:35] <Razor-X> ReiserFS isn't for your needs
[01:35] <majic> any ideas why firefox 1.0.6 would tell me that the flash plugin is failing to install. I've done it about a million times on various boxes and this is the first time I've got that message. This is a brand new Hoary install with all current updates.
[01:35] <Razor-X> ReiserFS will be for a lot of small files
[01:35] <nox> ext3 = ext2 + journaling FS support.
[01:35] <Razor-X> now, you would like to take a look at jfs, xfs, or the generic ext2/ext3
[01:35] <glick> damnit i need this damn library workin
[01:35] <maswan> ext3 will be the one most used around the world, so it will be most stable
[01:35] <Razor-X> both ext2 and ext2 are nice an solid, but nothing special
[01:35] <Vladi> can u guys elaboraty why one over the other i heard ext3 beacuse of its many recovery tools and does not stress hard drives as much
[01:35] <Razor-X> xfs is insanely fast
[01:36] <Razor-X> and jfs is great for server environments
[01:36] <kaffeend> well, I'ma gonna check #cedega later peeps
[01:36] <nox> Razor-X is right. RFS`s speciallity is small files - but in general it is better from EXT3
[01:36] <maswan> if you have performance demands above 100-200MByte/s, you might want to take a look at xfs/jfs
[01:36] <kaffeend> and thanks guys again
[01:36] <holycow> slick
[01:36] <K-Rich> how do i add and remove locations from the places menu ?
[01:36] <holycow> western digital hds come in black
[01:36] <maswan> (oh, an really take a good look at what hardware you are running that on)
[01:36] <holycow> weird, never seen that b4
[01:36] <zedrontz> hola
[01:36] <Razor-X> on a server, I don't think journaling will be _that_ useful, but that's just my opinion
[01:37] <FuMo> razor-x: surly that is when its most useful?
[01:37] <zedrontz> euskaldunik bai hemen inguruan??
[01:37] <Razor-X> FuMo: and why?
[01:37] <zedrontz> join #lagunak
[01:37] <Razor-X> if it's a bunch of MP3s, is journaling that neccessary?
[01:37] <david_> hello
[01:37] <Razor-X> i'ld think journaling is most useful in an environment when you _need_ to keep track of the files
[01:38] <FuMo> Razor-X:generally servers hold information that requires data intergrity
[01:38] <Razor-X> but, in this purpose, it's just MP3s
[01:38] <glick> all the md5 checksums match
[01:38] <searcher`> Razor-X: when you see that ext2 filesystem eats itself after the system loses power you'll be glad when you went with ext3 :-)
[01:38] <glick> wtf
[01:38] <maswan> FuMo: they only do metadata journaling, not data
[01:38] <Razor-X> searcher`: for _these_ purposes, I think journaling is useless, because it's more of a waste of space here
[01:39] <Harold> Afternoon from my part of the world, everyone.
[01:39] <FuMo> but for this size file system
[01:39] <K-Rich> can anyone here help me with a small gnome issue?
[01:39] <FuMo> granted dont use gournaling for a boot partion
[01:39] <maswan> Razor-X: the journal doesn't really take up significant space, indeed, you might win it back if you get a slightly more efficient on-disk format
[01:39] <FuMo> or similar small partions
[01:39] <InquiringMind> Does anybody know where I can get a proprietary VIA driver?
[01:39] <Harold> Anyone: What's your opinion on the best compression utility?  One all-around utility that includes zip, tar, and the like?  I don't want to have to install too many separate ones.
[01:40] <Razor-X> i'll stand by my claim that, on an MP3 server, I wouldn't want journaling, but that's just me ;)
[01:40] <searcher`> Razor-X: it really doesn't use any space at all
[01:40] <glick> tar and bz2
[01:40] <LinuxJones> K-Rich, search the wiki for smeg download and install it
[01:40] <Razor-X> Harold: 7z is nice
[01:40] <Harold> jasoncohen: Got madwifi working on my Mac again.
[01:40] <searcher`> now the reserved space for root EATS space
[01:40] <jasoncohen> Harold, nice, how did you do it?
[01:40] <Harold> Razor-X: 7z, huh?  Never heard of it.
[01:40] <glick> but you need all of the seperate ones cause some people use zip
[01:40] <searcher`> it defaults to 5% (which is insane for large drives)
[01:40] <FuMo> 7z is worth using
[01:40] <glick> some use bz
[01:40] <jasoncohen> ...so, no one uses the vlc plugin? i can't get it to work with mozilla or mplayer
[01:40] <Razor-X> Harold: 7zip is a pretty new format
[01:40] <Harold> jasoncohen: Compiled it right, I guess.
[01:40] <glick> some use bz2 and others use rar
[01:40] <Harold> Razor-X: Yes, but does 7z include tar and rar, etc?
[01:40] <K-Rich> LinuxJones: i have smeg... it doesn't let you edit the Places menu
[01:40] <maswan> Razor-X: I disagre, I like it, since doing an e2fsck on a large filesystem is quite annoying in that it takes so long
[01:40] <glick> so you may as well have them all, they dont take up too much disk space
[01:41] <direwolf> i use 7zip on windows boxes
[01:41] <Razor-X> Harold: you computer should have tar included, and 7z can handle rar, if i'm not mistaken
[01:41] <_SWAT_> is there a way of seeing which packages I have installed on my PC? (instead of remembering them all)
[01:41] <Harold> Razor-X: I'll install 7z then.
[01:41] <Razor-X> _SWAT_: dpkg -l
[01:41] <jasoncohen> _SWAT_, you can check in synaptic or dpkg -l
[01:41] <searcher`> K-Rich: you can add additional locations to Places by bookmarking a directory in nautilus. It's in the menu
[01:41] <K-Rich> _SWAT_: dpkg -l
[01:41] <Harold> Anyone else have an opinion on this?
[01:41] <LinuxJones> K-Rich, argh, sorry I just assumed it did
[01:41] <holycow> jasoncohen, not me i've always liked streams to play in dedicated standalone apps.  i am going to hire someone to write an epiphany extension so that i can click on a stream and have it open automatically in the right app
[01:41] <holycow> :/
[01:42] <_SWAT_> Razor-X, jasoncohen, K-Rich, thnx guys :D
[01:42] <Harold> jasoncohen: I found the instruction I needed to compile (specifically on a Mac) here: http://madwifi.sourceforge.net/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=power_pc
[01:42] <Razor-X> holycow: it's your opinion ;), everythin in one, or one in everything
[01:42] <Razor-X> (I prefer one in everything)
[01:42] <direwolf> i like 7zip as well harold
[01:42] <Harold> holycow: Forget streaming.  Podcasting is where it's at these days.  Get BashPodder.
[01:42] <direwolf> and yeah it handles rar
[01:42] <holycow> podcasting?
[01:42] <holycow> heh
[01:43] <holycow> no thanks
[01:43] <holycow> :)
[01:43] <Harold> direwolf: Thanks for your input on this.
[01:43] <Harold> holycow: Why not?
[01:43] <Razor-X> the whole podcasting/blogger words are useless uses of the English language
[01:43] <direwolf> np
[01:43] <holycow> Harold, its just an alergic reaction to steve jobs
[01:43] <kaffeend> whoever sent me to #cedega thanks, but nobody is talking there.
[01:43] <Razor-X> podcast == MP3s on RSS
[01:43] <Razor-X> blog == any old website
[01:43] <direwolf>  dont own an ipod
[01:43] <Harold> holycow: Podcasting has nothing to do with Steve Jobs; it began in the open source community.
[01:43] <FuMo> holycow: steve jobs jumped on the bandwagon
[01:44] <Razor-X> _years_ before the term ``blog'' was coined, websites used to update daily or weekly
[01:44] <holycow> really?
[01:44] <Harold> FuMo: That's exactly right.
[01:44] <holycow> is it an open protocol? is it a protocol at all?
[01:44] <FuMo> community yes but open source?
[01:44] <Razor-X> I really don't understand why everyone likes the words ``blog'' and ``podcasting'' so much ;)
[01:44] <Razor-X> holycow: it's RSS
[01:44] <direwolf> listen to a couple of the podcasts though...twit,diggnation mainly
[01:44] <holycow> ah
[01:44] <Razor-X> like I said, it's a uselessly coined word
[01:44] <holycow> weird
[01:44] <Harold> holycow: Yes; Adam Curry began an open source project called iPodder, which took off.  Apple just jumped in recently.
[01:44] <Agamotto> A question for those using Ubuntu and love to experiment:  when you go from say, the i386 kernel to the Athlon kernel, what sort of broken programs/processes can one expect?
[01:44] <mjr> Agamotto, none
[01:44] <jaegerMeister> hi folks
[01:44] <f_newton> is there any way to check the color depth of an ubuntu installation?
[01:44] <mjr> Agamotto, if you have an athlon, that is
[01:44] <Goodspeed> how do i find packages?
[01:44] <Razor-X> I listen to TWiT, KFI, diggnation, and tllts
[01:44] <Goodspeed> apt-get find
[01:44] <Goodspeed> ?
[01:44] <jaegerMeister> what is the default root password in ubuntu?
[01:44] <holycow> Harold, thx for the heads up, i'll give it a google
[01:45] <MartenH> thoreauputic, Ok, I think I managed to build the driver.. I ran make install instead and it didn't yield any errors and I got a ov51x.ko file in /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/usb/media am I reading this right?
[01:45] <Razor-X> Goodspeed: apt-cache search
[01:45] <Harold> Razor-X: Alot of people don't like the term "podcasting", but it stuck and so even the most diehard against it are using it to keep things simple.
[01:45] <direwolf> whatever you made it
[01:45] <thoreauputic> Agamotto: using the right kernel won't break anything :)
[01:45] <f_newton> jaegerMeister, that one is sudo and your user psswd
[01:45] <Agamotto> mjr:  So, the nvidia setup and all that will stay the same and work properly if you have installed the nvidia drivers?
[01:45] <Razor-X> Harold: I hate the word ``blog''
[01:45] <LinuxJones> Goodspeed, apt-cache search <file>
[01:45] <Razor-X> it's one of those words that really prick at me
[01:45] <jaegerMeister> ok thanks f_newton :)
[01:45] <mjr> Agamotto, if you boot the athlon kernel on an i386, on the other hand, you can expect it not to :)
[01:45] <FuMo> Razor-X: what about bliky then?
[01:45] <thoreauputic> MartenH: I have no idea ;)
[01:45] <MartenH> thoreauputic, lol, ok
[01:45] <Razor-X> FuMo: hmmm?
[01:45] <mjr> Agamotto, haven't the foggiest on out-of-tree proprietary drivers
[01:45] <thoreauputic> MartenH: sounds impressive though ;)
[01:46] <mjr> may be that they'd need to be recompiled, may not
[01:46] <andy_> anyone got sound working on a thinkpad 600?
[01:46] <Harold> Razor-X: Yeah, the term "blog" isn't pretty.  But again, it's what the technology/technique has come to be called, so I use it, too.
[01:46] <Razor-X> Harold: why waste perfectly good words on nothing?
[01:46] <Harold> Razor-X: It *is* an ugly-sounding word, though, isn't it?
[01:46] <thoreauputic> MartenH: the test is whether you can modprobe it I suppose
[01:46] <Razor-X> I still don't understand....
[01:46] <Razor-X> Harold: yeah, it is
[01:46] <cefx> .deb files are installed with dpkg -i right?
[01:46] <FuMo> Razor-X:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bliki
[01:46] <majic> any ideas why firefox 1.0.6 would tell me that the flash plugin is failing to install. I've done it about a million times on various boxes and this is the first time I've got that message. This is a brand new Hoary install with all current updates.
[01:46] <f_newton> so is ubuntu
[01:46] <direwolf> running ubuntu on my old laptop :( i need new computers
[01:46] <Agamotto> mjr:  I have an Athlon 2400, and haven't gathered the courage to move to the Athlon kernel image, as I don't want stuff to stop working.  I know that I can go back to the 386 kernel, but just wanted to do some brain-picking
[01:46] <f_newton> but I bet thats regionally specific
[01:46] <kaffeend> can anyone tell me if Cedega will allow me to run the 64 bit version of FarCry please?
[01:46] <Razor-X> but the fact of hte matter is, the web page was updated on a regular basis from the time of 14.4 k/s internet
[01:46] <Harold> Razor-X: They thought it was cool to shorten the term "weblog".
[01:47] <f_newton> and would not sound so if i were from a different region of the world
[01:47] <Razor-X> s/hte/the/
[01:47] <Harold> Razor-X: "Blog" sounds like a booger or something.
[01:47] <searcher`> Agamotto: just install linux-686
[01:47] <direwolf> hahaha
[01:47] <Razor-X> Harold: ``they'' also use ``OMG WTF???!!!111''
[01:47] <Harold> "I'm working on my blog hear...achooo!"
[01:47] <Agamotto> searcher:  That would work fine with an Athlon chip?
[01:47] <chrischio> is there a way to get the files showed in the same window when changing dir?? on every dir-change a new window(old closed) is not nice on slower systems!!
[01:48] <f_newton> blog was coined by the us republican party wasnt it?
[01:48] <direwolf> would 686 work with a k6-2?
[01:48] <MartenH> thoreauputic, I guess it didn't work then "/ darn
[01:48] <searcher`> Agamotto: that one does on my Barton 2600+
[01:48] <Harold> Razor-X: Still, I use the term - it's done and the arguments about the term are over.  Same with the term "podcast", though I'll bet Microsoft wants to change that one.
[01:48] <Razor-X> whoever it was coined by, it's a _useless_ word
[01:48] <Razor-X> nothing like the elegance of ``adware''
[01:48] <thoreauputic> MartenH: leave out the .ko
[01:48] <searcher`> Agamotto: although i don't really notice any improvement from changing
[01:48] <Razor-X> or ``spyware''
[01:48] <direwolf> i dont think its the word itself even just that you hear it everywhere now
[01:48] <Harold> Razor-X: Apparently Microsoft employees refer to podcasts as "blogcasts".
[01:48] <FuMo> yer that wont last tho
[01:48] <Razor-X> Harold: noooo!!!!
[01:49] <Harold> Razor-X: How's that for your worst nightmare of a term?
[01:49] <Agamotto> searcher:  Ok, thanks for the advice.  I am trying to get rid of Win completely this year, and so far Ubuntu is making it easy
[01:49] <f_newton> Razor-X, consider the source...
[01:49] <Harold> Razor-X: I'm serious.
[01:49] <Razor-X> I will henceforth call it... Internet Radio!!! ;)
[01:49] <thoreauputic> MartenH:  mean, when you do sudo modprobe <modulename>
[01:49] <Harold> Razor-X: Yes, good idea.
[01:49] <Razor-X> f_newton: heh, yeah, if that's the source... ;)
[01:49] <f_newton> Agamotto, its easy to dump windows
[01:49] <Agamotto> Now I just have to read through the transgaming site and find my favorite game to see if they will run without win
[01:49] <f_newton> that is...
[01:49] <phixion> !backports
[01:49] <andy_> chrischio yes - set always use browser in the preferences of eh... something
[01:49] <ubotu> from memory, backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[01:49] <Razor-X> how about... ``iradio''?
[01:49] <Agamotto> f_newton:  Yah, but I still like to run games as well
[01:49] <Harold> Razor-X: It's funny you say that, because that's what I've been calling it, Internet radio.  I refer to both streaming and podcasting as Internet radio.
[01:49] <FuMo> its good for apple at the moment but the term pod will become just the the word hover did in the uk
[01:49] <cefx> Christ.  GLXGears only gives me 1100-1200 FPS.
[01:49] <DJChaos> I love you Apt-GET!
[01:50] <cefx> How shitty is THAT?
[01:50] <cefx> =(
[01:50] <Harold> FuMo: I forget...what was hover?
[01:50] <Razor-X> DJChaos: you're loving the wrong app
[01:50] <f_newton> Razor-X, a group calling themeselves the young republicans
[01:50] <Razor-X> aptitude is way better ;)
[01:50] <direwolf> dont ask me that
[01:50] <DJChaos> heh
[01:50] <DJChaos> oh wait.
[01:50] <DJChaos> I'm already connected here.
[01:50] <DJChaos> ....
[01:50] <MartenH> thoreauputic, still get the same errors I had to begin with so :/
[01:50] <Razor-X> f_newton: that's why ``blog'' is such a stupid word ;)
[01:50] <DJChaos> OH
[01:50] <DJChaos> duh
[01:50] <f_newton> well yeah
[01:50] <Chaotic_Shield> lol
[01:50] <Harold> Okay, gotta go, everyone...
[01:50] <Chaotic_Shield> I'm stupid.
[01:50] <thoreauputic> cefx: be happy - I only get about 200 fps
[01:50] <Harold> Catch you all later!
[01:50] <kaffeend> anyone know anything about the "third generation"?
[01:50] <direwolf> im sitting here on a satellite2100cdt
[01:50] <searcher`> thoreauputic: hey, me too :-)
[01:50] <Chaotic_Shield> I moved this XChat window to another workstation and minimized the window.
[01:50] <chrischio> andy_ hm? where? i dont find an option like this
[01:50] <Harold> hAPPY uBUNTU-ing
[01:50] <direwolf> ollld
[01:51] <Razor-X> I can't wait for the next word the masses will coin
[01:51] <Harold> exit
[01:51] <Razor-X> something equally stupid that already has a good enough word attached to it
[01:51] <Chaotic_Shield> yeah I know
[01:51] <searcher`> cefx: glxgears is hardly a reliable benchmarking tool
[01:51] <Chaotic_Shield> yay!
[01:51] <f_newton> please dont get me started...
[01:51] <Chaotic_Shield> I r uber codecified.
[01:51] <Chaotic_Shield> :-p
[01:51] <Agamotto> Ooooo, cedega can even do Knights of the Old Republic... oooooo
[01:51] <f_newton> I just want to change the color depth on this install
[01:51] <f_newton> HOW?
[01:51] <kaffeend> Agamotto - really? nice
[01:52] <Razor-X> what really gets me about the word ``blog'' is that, news networks just _pour_ over ``What the bloggers say''
[01:52] <MartenH> thoreauputic, ok, thigns are starting to make sence... need to get that make command working. Going to try another version of the file and then try to reach the author.. but first, off to bed!
[01:52] <cefx> f_newton, dpkg something
[01:52] <Razor-X> these friggin ``bloggers'' have been available since personal internet was, it's nothing _special_
[01:52] <MartenH> thoreauputic, thanks for the help, see you around
[01:52] <cefx> reconfigure-xserver xorg or something?  i don't know
[01:52] <direwolf> well you could do a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:52] <f_newton> cefx thats an installation thingy
[01:52] <cefx> no its not
[01:52] <thoreauputic> MartenH: see you - sleep well :)
[01:52] <cefx> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg do that f_newton
[01:52] <cefx> and you'll get the option to change color depth
[01:52] <f_newton> that has to be done in init3 right?
[01:52] <Razor-X> but, I guess nobody cares now ;)
[01:53] <thoreauputic> cefx: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:53] <FuMo> its a fad
[01:53] <direwolf> one of the few commands i know for linux hahaha
[01:53] <Razor-X> FuMo: a stupid fad, that's what
[01:53] <f_newton> I care Razor-X but its not a popular view point
[01:53] <Chaotic_Shield> Razor-X, the internet gets bastardized by the non technologically advanced, deal with it.
[01:53] <direwolf> trying to get make to work for rtl8180-sa2400 driver
[01:53] <Chaotic_Shield> Same thing with computers.
[01:53] <geneo93> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:53] <Chaotic_Shield> Unix wasn't easy, so out came Windows.
[01:53] <Razor-X> f_newton: i've never been ``popular'' ever
[01:53] <direwolf> ack
[01:54] <InquiringMind> Is there a limit to how long I should leave my computer on in terms of my hard disk breaking, etc?
[01:54] <Chaotic_Shield> It's an attempt to make computing available to the masses.
[01:54] <direwolf> xerox was first
[01:54] <FuMo> ah here we go...
[01:54] <Chaotic_Shield> InquiringMind, yes. If you run Windows, 2 days or less, if you run anything else, forever.
[01:54] <InquiringMind> Chaotic_Shield:  are you kidding?
[01:54] <Razor-X> well, i'm not about to say ``OMG, if the masses say it, I'll have to say it too''
[01:54] <Chaotic_Shield> no.
[01:54] <Razor-X> ;)
[01:54] <thoreauputic> InquiringMind: not really - I have a current uptime of 40 days and lots of people extend into years
[01:54] <direwolf> inot necessarily chaotic
[01:54] <InquiringMind> i could run my computer technically forever without it breaking?
[01:54] <Chaotic_Shield> I've seen Linux systems run for a very long time.
[01:54] <Razor-X> InquiringMind: no
[01:54] <cefx> how do you uninstall something?  I forget.
[01:55] <Chaotic_Shield> well, assuming you don't do stupid shit
[01:55] <InquiringMind> I mean hardware wise
[01:55] <Chaotic_Shield> Oh.
[01:55] <InquiringMind> I never open my box
[01:55] <Razor-X> InquiringMind: hardware always breaks down
[01:55] <Razor-X> as does anything mechanical
[01:55] <cefx> InquiringMind, the longer you leave it on the longer it will last.
[01:55] <Chaotic_Shield> Your HDD, etc will wear down eventually.
[01:55] <direwolf> ive had 98se run for 20something days without a reboot
[01:55] <InquiringMind> *except my girlfriends lol *
[01:55] <cefx> Turning it on and off will hurt it more.
[01:55] <Razor-X> cefx: not true
[01:55] <thoreauputic> InquiringMind: keep backups - when it goes, it goes
[01:55] <Chaotic_Shield> heh.
[01:55] <cefx> yes, very true Razor
[01:55] <Chaotic_Shield> Linux is nicer to your HDD because of the lack of pagefile.
[01:55] <f_newton> well so much for the dpkg reconfigure thing
[01:55] <FuMo> thoreauputic: funny thing is that because of the counter not having enough bits it roll's over after a bit over a year
[01:55] <Razor-X> leaving it on for too long means that the hard drive is constantly working it's mechanical parts
[01:55] <f_newton> next ?
[01:55] <FuMo> on linux that is
[01:55] <direwolf> hardware take more of a hit from powering on than anything else, i believe
[01:55] <cefx> when you turn something off and allow it cool down, then turn it back on it goes into a heated state where it's at higher risk for damage
[01:55] <Razor-X> which means that the computer will last much much shorter
[01:56] <niktaris> is there a ubuntu netinstall iso?
[01:56] <thoreauputic> FuMo: yes - although I thought I read that had changed with 2.6 kernels?
[01:56] <Razor-X> cefx: but, if you wait a week between the shutdown and restart, I don't think it'll hurt too much
[01:56] <Chaotic_Shield> cefx, yeah. Scientists have been trying to figure out how to stop it for years.
[01:56] <InquiringMind> How long has your hard drive lasted before blowing up or breaking whatever?
[01:56] <FuMo> how long has 2.6 been stable enough to use tho?
[01:56] <Chaotic_Shield> Mine has never broken!
[01:56] <f_newton> about a year FuMo
[01:56] <InquiringMind> Chaotic Shield:  never?
[01:56] <kaffeend> Agamotto where on that page did you find the list of available games please?
[01:56] <FuMo> we still run redhad 7.2 for crying out load
[01:56] <Chaotic_Shield> Except for when I leaned on it
[01:56] <Chaotic_Shield> Which was "user" error :-P
[01:56] <InquiringMind> lol
[01:57] <Razor-X> Chaotic_Shield: ;)
[01:57] <Chaotic_Shield> (I'm running a laptop, where the HDD was under the palm rest)
[01:57] <searcher`> InquiringMind: 7 years and counting for the 20gb in the little server, withstanding serious abuse :-)
[01:57] <Chaotic_Shield> what a stupid freakin idea.
[01:57] <Razor-X> RH7 was the last good RH distro, IMO
[01:57] <Chaotic_Shield> Whoever designed it like that should be shot.
[01:57] <f_newton> FuMo, ubuntu, fedora, mandriva all have really changed linux
[01:57] <InquiringMind> wow....cuz i dont want to spend money on parts that will break...thinking about taking my idea of a flashdrive hard disk
[01:57] <InquiringMind> into consideration
[01:57] <FuMo> not debian?
[01:57] <Razor-X> f_newton: Debian changed it more
[01:57] <cefx> How do I change resolution if it was selected in the reconfiguring?
[01:58] <Razor-X> Fedora and Mandrake may have made Linux more user friendly, but Debian and Slackware have pushed the bleeding edge
[01:58] <cefx> "The X server does not support XRandR extension."
[01:58] <thoreauputic> !resolution
[01:58] <FuMo> DEBIAN BLEEDING EDGE?!?
[01:58] <ubotu> well, resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:58] <f_newton> Razor-X, personally I like debian, but honestly it was redhat that brought linux into the forefront and effectively pitched battle with ms
[01:58] <PHZN> Is there a way to check system uptime?
[01:58] <searcher`> Razor-X: yes, seeing how debian sarge has the latest and greatest XFree :P
[01:58] <Razor-X> FuMo: Sarge was better than RH
[01:58] <FuMo> deibian is the most conservitive distribution there is
[01:58] <f_newton> the advent of modern kernels were NOT brought about by debian
[01:58] <Razor-X> searcher`: like I said, better than RH ;)
[01:58] <auk> f_newton: linux isn't in the forefront as it is
[01:58] <FuMo> how fecking long did it take to release sarge
[01:59] <FuMo> thats the reason were still running RH7
[01:59] <thoreauputic> FuMo: the development branch of debian is pretty bleeding edge
[01:59] <searcher`> Razor-X: that's no fair, jabbing your eyes out with a sharp pair of scissors is better then redhat
[01:59] <direwolf> f_newtown what happened?
[01:59] <Chaotic_Shield> distro wars suck IMO.
[01:59] <Agamotto> Ahhh, writing a cd and on the net at the same time... you just have to love linux
[01:59] <Razor-X> well, i'm assuming that people actually update ;)
[01:59] <andy_> type uptime in a console
[01:59] <f_newton> auk, any distro that only maintains a 14% usage but still gets frontpage press is a forefront os
[01:59] <Razor-X> searcher`: that's what i'm comparing it to, though ;)
[01:59] <Chaotic_Shield> It's like comparing XP Pro and XP Home. Their based on the same thing, but are meant for different markets and different things.
[01:59] <chibifs> Hey, does anyone know how to make it so the fonts don't resize in different nautilus zooms?
[01:59] <Agamotto> XP Home is almost unusable
[01:59] <searcher`> Chaotic_Shield: aren't those the exact same thing with some crap turned off for the home version?
[01:59] <f_newton> yes Agamotto
[02:00] <ChrischiO`GER> lol
[02:00] <Razor-X> searcher`: some crap not included
[02:00] <ChrischiO`GER> my gnome panel crashed   oO
[02:00] <thoreauputic> Agamotto: almost??
[02:00] <auk> Agamotto: that is beside the point
[02:00] <Chaotic_Shield> yup.
[02:00] <auk> true thought...
[02:00] <f_newton> xp corp is the only ms distro worth using
[02:00] <f_newton> right now
[02:00] <direwolf> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  will work
[02:00] <Chaotic_Shield> I LOVE YOU MILO!
[02:00] <InquiringMind> Vista's gonna suck
[02:00] <Chaotic_Shield> NP: Milo - Bangin'
[02:00] <auk> f_newton, no, i think soem of the older ones are better
[02:00] <Chaotic_Shield> EVERYONE CHECK IT OUT.
[02:00] <InquiringMind> What is the Epiphany IRC channel?
[02:00] <direwolf> yeah its been gutted
[02:00] <FuMo> xp corp is the only one with a crack as well aint it ;) ?
[02:00] <chibifs> f_newton - MCE2005 is okay if you upgrade from XP Pro
[02:00] <Chaotic_Shield> damn it!
[02:00] <Razor-X> Chaotic_Shield: only if you listen to what I listen ;)
[02:00] <Chaotic_Shield> It's TSR TONIGHT!
[02:00] <esac> what do i add to xorg.conf for vmware ? i.e., i am using the nv driver, which driver should i be using ?
[02:00] <FuMo> sorry not crack, key gen
[02:01] <luminerd> Kubuntu 5.04 is that the most recent/stable (enough) version?  If there's a better one considered unstable, but not really unstable, I'd still like it I think....but if I'll be aptitude'ing the rest anyway I suppose it doesn't matter even if I get Ubuntu v 1.0? lol
[02:01] <Chaotic_Shield> Razor-X, what'd you have in mind?
[02:01] <Razor-X> Chaotic_Shield: The Shadow Rising?
[02:01] <Chaotic_Shield> genre?
[02:01] <direwolf> i wasnt that optimistic to begin with but now its really gonne be bad
[02:01] <thoreauputic> InquiringMind: why not join it and read the /topic ? ;-)
[02:01] <Agamotto> Hell, I plan on XP being the final windows for me.  Cedega may be the last piece in my leaving windows puzzle
[02:01] <andy_> my screensaver makes my pc freeze, though i can still send commands from another pc using ssh.. but can't get the pc alive again. ctrl 1 and stuff also don't help
[02:01] <Chaotic_Shield> Agamotto, and wine :-P
[02:01] <searcher`> esac: you need the vmware-tools to run a linux distro from within vmware (if you want any decent kind of speed anyways)
[02:01] <InquiringMind> thoreauputic:  i would, but --I DONT -- know the channel
[02:01] <Razor-X> Chaotic_Shield: L'arc en Ciel, Iced Earth, Pillows, BoA (yes BoA) those types of genres ;)
[02:01] <PHZN> Is there a way to check system uptime?
[02:01] <andy_> it's that screensaver with the firework
[02:01] <Chaotic_Shield> ah.
[02:01] <Chaotic_Shield> pft.
[02:01] <Chaotic_Shield> kiddy stuff.
[02:02] <Razor-X> Chaotic_Shield: what genre are they? ;)
[02:02] <kaffeend> can anyone tell me if I can use evolution to read my gmail please?
[02:02] <Chaotic_Shield> KIDDY STUFFS
[02:02] <FuMo> PHZN: $uptime
[02:02] <Chaotic_Shield> THAT'S WHAT GENRE :-P
[02:02] <Razor-X> Chaotic_Shield: hah
[02:02] <chibifs> I like Under17, that's kiddy stuffs :P
[02:02] <andy_> type uptime in a console
[02:02] <InquiringMind> How do I turn off the Password Manager in Epiphany
[02:02] <chibifs> Even if it's downright dirty.
[02:02] <searcher`> kaffeend: check your gmail account, you should be able to access it through regular pop
[02:02] <thoreauputic> InquiringMind: #epiphany doesn't seem to exist... #epiphany-browser maybe? dunno
[02:02] <avanspronsen> kaffeend: evolution works fine with Gmail
[02:02] <esac> searcher`: can i just apt-get install vmware-tools ?
[02:03] <kaffeend> searcher okay thanks... so it is pop then.. goodo
[02:03] <Razor-X> esac: vmware isn't free, so of course not
[02:03] <searcher`> esac: not that i'm aware off ... it can be somewhat tricky too
[02:03] <kaffeend> avanpronsen thankyou ;)
[02:03] <searcher`> esac: you need build-essential and linux-headers
[02:03] <auk> kaffeend: probably you can
[02:03] <thoreauputic> hmm.. that doesn't exist either on freenode
[02:03] <esac> Razor-X: I have a vmware license .. i dont see the tools on there tho
[02:03] <Chaotic_Shield> ROFL
[02:03] <Chaotic_Shield> TSR 2 win.
[02:03] <auk> oh
[02:03] <auk> nm
[02:03] <searcher`> esac: both are available from apt-get
[02:03] <Razor-X> esac: you can get a deb package from the site, if i'm not mitsaken
[02:04] <Razor-X> Chaotic_Shield: The Shadow Rising ?
[02:04] <kaffeend> hehe, you guys know the proper server for gmail? lol
[02:04] <Razor-X> dude, that was one of his worst books
[02:04] <Razor-X> LoC pwnz ;)
[02:04] <searcher`> esac: then you select `install vmware tools' in the vmware menu and find the vmware-tool.tar.gz in the cdrom drive
[02:04] <ChrischiO`GER> gn8
[02:04] <supernix>  just noticed that Ubuntu is again #1 on the distrowatch.com site
[02:04] <Chaotic_Shield> Razor-X, pop.gmail.com
[02:04] <searcher`> esac: lots of fun to do :-)
[02:04] <InquiringMind> how do i turn off the password manager in epiphany?
[02:04] <searcher`> esac: i think the vmware website has some general info on how to do this, it can get kinda tricky
[02:04] <kaffeend> chaotic_shield thanks
[02:04] <Razor-X> we should have Ubuntu missionaries -- except they should have really big guns
[02:05] <Razor-X> that way, we can passively _and_ aggressively convert people to Ubuntu!
[02:05] <Razor-X> guns in the sens of machinery
[02:05] <FuMo> hmm
[02:05] <Razor-X> s/sens/sense/
[02:05] <FuMo> tad extreme?
[02:05] <Seveas> Razor-X, Chaotic_Shield please keep the atmosphere in here friendly....
[02:05] <searcher`> Razor-X: Ubuntu: throwing cd's at people since 2004 :-)
[02:05] <Razor-X> searcher`: cool that ;)
[02:06] <Chaotic_Shield> Seveas, what'd I do exactly?
[02:06] <Agamotto> Nah, keep it quiet like the Buddhists and let people come to us
[02:06] <Chaotic_Shield> I was joking about the kiddie stuffs
[02:06] <Razor-X> actually, the big guns should have CDs for ammo
[02:06] <Razor-X> yeah, that would be cool ;)
[02:06] <Chaotic_Shield> rofl
[02:06] <Chaotic_Shield> Disc launchers
[02:06] <Chaotic_Shield> Flaming discs of Ubuntu!
[02:06] <Chaotic_Shield> Ubuntu shurikens
[02:06] <esac> searcher`: even without vmware-tools shouldnt i still be able to get into X ?
[02:07] <Razor-X> and hey, if that's how AOL gets users, this is even _better_! ;)
[02:07] <searcher`> esac: i'm not sure, maybe using the vesa driver
[02:07] <Razor-X> esac: well, my experience, X doesen't load without the driver
[02:07] <searcher`> esac: i always install the vmware-tools package, it's not that hard really. just follow the instructions
[02:07] <Razor-X> you can either use the included packages, or the generic one
[02:07] <direwolf> aol isnt getting any users these days
[02:08] <FuMo> their adds have def stopped
[02:08] <Razor-X> so... quiet....
[02:08] <InquiringMind> how do i turn off the password manager in epiphany?
[02:08] <avanspronsen> esac, what distro?  I have not had problems with our without the vmware tools with X
[02:08] <jakestah> How would I move a file with the terminal?
[02:08] <Seveas> jakestah, mv
[02:08] <Razor-X> avanspronsen: Gentoo Stage 3 wouldn't load
[02:08] <bimberi> jakestah: mv
[02:08] <direwolf> why bother with everyone going broadband
[02:08] <jakestah> thanks
[02:08] <Seveas> InquiringMind: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.
[02:09] <auk> !peacock
[02:09] <ubotu> I don't know, auk
[02:09] <auk> !info peacock
[02:09] <ubotu> peacock: (A HTML Editor for GTK+/GNOME), section universe/gnome, is optional. Version: 1.9.1-5ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 55 kB, Installed size: 184 kB
[02:09] <direwolf> another of corporate overlords going down
[02:09] <Razor-X> Seveas: I found the LaTeX spreadsheet thingy I need
[02:09] <Razor-X> it's called LaTeXss
[02:09] <thoreauputic> InquiringMind: just guessing, but since epiphany is the default gnome browser these days I wonder if the password manager hooks into the gnome keyring?
[02:09] <direwolf> too many still going strong though
[02:09] <Razor-X> (http://latexss.sourceforge.net)
[02:09] <avanspronsen> Razor-X: ok, haven't tried.  Hoary and Breezy were fine, slow until the tools were installed, but had X
[02:10] <direwolf> i live near philly ...they were gonna do a wimax thing for the whole city but comcast and verizon wanted to block it
[02:10] <Razor-X> Knoppix nowadays includes the vmware driver, so it loads up all nice
[02:10] <direwolf> they basically succeeded
[02:10] <avanspronsen> Razor-X: very handy
[02:11] <searcher`> Razor-X: really? i thought the license was very restrictive on vmware bits
[02:11] <direwolf> was going to be free wireless for everyone in the city ... bastards
[02:11] <InquiringMind> sry seveas
[02:11] <luminerd> how do I do a 2.6 kernel install?  with debian it's linux26 option at boot, is that the same here?
[02:11] <Razor-X> searcher`: well, they included it even still, so I think the generic vmware X drive isn't restricted
[02:11] <Razor-X> luminerd: it automatically installs kernel 2.6
[02:11] <bimberi> luminerd: hoary has 2.6 by default
[02:11] <direwolf> 2.6 is the default
[02:12] <Agamotto> Mine did 2.6
[02:12] <Razor-X> this isn't like Debian where default is kernel 1.0 ;)
[02:12] <luminerd> bimberi, I don't know if I have hoary.
[02:12] <FuMo> lol
[02:12] <nox> heh Razor-X :P
[02:12] <direwolf> hahaha
[02:12] <Agamotto> 1.0 cough gasp wheeze choke
[02:12] <luminerd> I got Kubuntu 5.04 - is that hoary?
[02:12] <bimberi> luminerd: do you have an ubuntu CD?  How many people on the cover?
[02:12] <Razor-X> luminerd: yes, it is
[02:12] <direwolf> yes
[02:12] <luminerd> thanks Razor-X, bimberi, dir
[02:13] <luminerd> direwolf I mean
[02:13] <luminerd> lol
[02:13] <thoreauputic> InquiringMind: http://www.gnome.org/projects/epiphany/   << maybe some info here (FAQ etc)
[02:13] <direwolf> anyone know if the rtl8180-sa2400 driver will be in with breezy?
[02:13] <Agamotto> luminerd:  yes, optimized with KDE instead of Gnome
[02:13] <InquiringMind> thanks
[02:13] <luminerd> yea.  thanks
[02:13] <direwolf> driver for realtek cards...
[02:13] <direwolf> chipsets* i should say
[02:14] <luminerd> why is my keyboard not working?
[02:14] <Razor-X> direwolf: I don't know about that, but I know what I ate for breakfast ;)
[02:14] <thoreauputic> InquiringMind: aha! irc.gnome.org #epiphany
[02:14] <Razor-X> luminerd: what kind of a keyboard is it?
[02:14] <direwolf> what did ya have razor-x?
[02:14] <FuMo> "optimized with KDE"  is that possible?
[02:14] <luminerd> Razor-X, ps/2
[02:14] <Razor-X> FuMo: it is here ;)
[02:14] <luminerd> I press enter at the boot screen, and then when I get to the language selection, it won't work to select english.
[02:14] <Razor-X> direwolf: Honey Bunches of Oats, man ;)
[02:14] <Razor-X> it's the way to go
[02:14] <direwolf> haha nice
[02:14] <Razor-X> and a bananna (part of a balanced breakfast) ;)
[02:15] <darmou> does anyone know the name of the util for setting the monitor res
[02:15] <darmou> from x?
[02:15] <direwolf> be&c for me  mmm
[02:15] <FuMo> vim
[02:15] <Razor-X> luminerd: any special keyboard layout, or such?
[02:15] <FuMo> ?
[02:15] <InquiringMind> thanks thor...
[02:15] <raDeon> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!hehehehe
[02:15] <luminerd> Razor-X, no, normal.
[02:15] <ubotu> raDeon: I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about
[02:15] <darmou> is there something in one of the menus?
[02:15] <Razor-X> luminerd: hmm... I dunno :(
[02:15] <direwolf> system > preferences > screen resolution
[02:15] <luminerd> fux0rz :(
[02:15] <Seveas> darmou, gnome-display-properties
[02:16] <Razor-X> my basic QWERTY keyboard works fine, even with an applied Dvorak layout
[02:16] <Agamotto> Speaking of bananas, we may be the last generation to enjoy eating them
[02:16] <Seveas> Agamotto -> #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:16] <direwolf> i saw something about that as well
[02:17] <direwolf> forget what i just said
[02:17] <direwolf> i saw nothing
[02:17] <silvertear> hey. really quickly, how do i change the horizontal spacing between icons in konqueror?
[02:18] <thoreauputic> silvertear: really slowly ;-)
[02:18] <Burgundavia> silvertear, you might have better luck in #kubuntu
[02:18] <aceb747> is someone was comparing the ubuntu repository with debians what would you say about it?
[02:18] <Mariux> what do i need to install to be able to compile most programs? Im trying to compile (since its not in resp) kpod, the kioslave for the ipod, but i get errors under ./configure. It complains about missing libstdc++, but i DO have that installed
[02:18] <Burgundavia> aceb747, basically identical
[02:18] <Seveas> aceb747, newer and more complete
[02:18] <thoreauputic> aceb747: almost identical
[02:18] <Agamotto> Ahhh, the joys of library hell
[02:18] <f_newton> yep that xorg reconfiguration did it
[02:18] <Chaotic_Shield> Mariux, try installing the libstdc++-dev package.
[02:18] <Burgundavia> aceb747, there are things in Ubuntu repos that are not in Debian (but not very many) and vice versa
[02:18] <robertj> is it quite an adventure to get wpa working with ndiswrapper drivers?
[02:18] <FuMo> aceb747: far more select on packages
[02:19] <Seveas> Mariux, you need libstdc++=dev
[02:19] <Seveas> Mariux, you need libstdc++-dev
[02:19] <Mariux> i do have that
[02:19] <Chaotic_Shield> O_O
[02:19] <Seveas> robertj, yes
[02:19] <whitefang> hello
[02:19] <Seveas> hi
[02:19] <f_newton> hello
[02:19] <whitefang> i just have to say, this distrubution is awesome.
[02:19] <Mariux> but which version?
[02:19] <aceb747> FuMo: what do you mean more select on packages?
[02:19] <Mariux> there is libstdc++ 2, 5 and 6
[02:19] <robertj> Seveas: I found some instructions yesterday about how to work with it in hoary, apt-get installed wpa_supplicant and found out that the config file looked totally different than in the example
[02:19] <stan-am> hey guys
[02:19] <f_newton> yes, as a long time fedora and rh user I have to agree this is a very good distro... too bad about the name though...
[02:19] <f_newton> lol
[02:19] <thoreauputic> whitefang: preaching to the choir here :)
[02:19] <stan-am> hi seveas, hows it goin?
[02:19] <aceb747> ubuntu seems more current than debian though
[02:20] <stan-am> is is
[02:20] <whitefang> f_newton, what's wrong with the name?
[02:20] <stan-am> it is
[02:20] <Seveas> stan-am, quite nice
[02:20] <robertj> (I mean entirely different, the config file looked like a normal config file in the example but the one in the package told me to add a list of command line paramaters and create a custom init.d entry ;)
[02:20] <Burgundavia> aceb747, the stable Debian is newer than the stable ubuntu
[02:20] <Seveas> I've been hacking up rss feeds for ubuntu today
[02:20] <robertj> oh how I loath this crappy built in wireless
[02:20] <Goodspeed> whats the best mp3 player?
[02:20] <f_newton> well it just seems a bit gutteral, like some drunk in a bar with gas
[02:20] <Seveas> Burgundavia, but most of the packages are not :)
[02:20] <Agamotto> Well, I am off to other shores... chat with you lot later
[02:20] <thoreauputic> f_newton: I think the name is one of the great things about it
[02:20] <Burgundavia> Seveas, yes
[02:20] <Mariux> and why isnt there a /usr/bin/gcc? i just have /usr/bin/gcc-X.y
[02:20] <Chaotic_Shield> robertj, you got it working, or are you bound and tied by an Ethernet cable?
[02:20] <kaffeend> having trouble with evolution/gmail... can someone help me plz?
[02:20] <FuMo> aceb747: I cant rember how many pakages debain contains it many more than most if not all other distributions, ubuntu has decided to support less of the same if that makes sence?
[02:20] <whitefang> f_newton, it's an african word.
[02:20] <stan-am> hey seveas can ya gimme a hand with some very stupid easy thing?
[02:21] <Seveas> Mariux, sudo aptitude install build-essential
[02:21] <FlyingSquirrel32> what of the advantages of debian over ubuntu?
[02:21] <f_newton> yeah ok well Im not one of those gushy eyed socialists
[02:21] <Mariux> thanks Seveas
[02:21] <thoreauputic> f_newton: that's just because you aren't african I guess ;)
[02:21] <f_newton> none flyingpenguin_
[02:21] <Seveas> stan-am, no, I'm trying to go to bed but people keep interrupting me :)
[02:21] <aceb747> Burgundavia: so if I am looking for something more current then debian is better to have?
[02:21] <f_newton> uh FlyingSquirrel32  i meahn
[02:21] <stan-am> hahahah
[02:21] <Burgundavia> f_newton, Ubuntu has nothing to gushy idea socialsim
[02:21] <stan-am> thats fine man
[02:21] <Burgundavia> aceb747, yes
[02:21] <FlyingSquirrel32> f_newton: and visa versa?
[02:21] <Seveas> (it's 2:21 am here :))
[02:21] <stan-am> good night
[02:21] <whitefang> f_newton, cmon, it's the OS for HUMANS :P
[02:21] <stan-am> :)
[02:21] <f_newton> well you are right thoreauputic and I am sure I will get used to it
[02:21] <FuMo> aceb747: then ubuntu is a good balance between cutting edge and stable
[02:22] <billatq> Heh, I just upgraded to debian unstable
[02:22] <f_newton> Ive been saying it to myself for the last two days... ubuntu ubuntu ubuntu...
[02:22] <FuMo> otherwise there is always unstable ;)
[02:22] <billatq> Took a little bit for the dust to settle
[02:22] <thoreauputic> f_newton: yep - my initial reaction was similar, but I like it now
[02:22] <Goodspeed> is kaffinee anyg ood?
[02:22] <Burgundavia> Goodspeed,  if you are using gnome, muine and rb are quite nice
[02:22] <Seveas> f_newton, all 'u's in Ubutu are pronounced as oo like in good
[02:22] <robertj> burgundavia: I wouldn't say nothing but its not going to turn you into a card-toting commie
[02:22] <f_newton> its not the meaning of the word which is amazing coming from a continent engaged in bloody genocide
[02:23] <whitefang> is the amd barton cpu k7?
[02:23] <Goodspeed> ive got a pretty big library
[02:23] <Goodspeed> 2000+ songs
[02:23] <f_newton> its the way it sounds to my narrow western style ears
[02:23] <direwolf> i go through phases due to my n00bness
[02:23] <Goodspeed> which one handles big libraries best?
[02:23] <Mariux> Seveas: ok so i did that, but i get configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[02:24] <Mariux> since there is no /usr/bin/gcc
[02:24] <Mariux> just /usr/bin/gcc-X.Y
[02:24] <f_newton> yes whitefang I guess it is
[02:24] <kaffeend> Please help me anyone - I wanna get evolution to work with gmail, but after I tried to get my mail it failed... dunno what I'm doing :/
[02:24] <thoreauputic> f_newton: a bit like a certain country in North America which likes to throw rather large bombs around... but b=never mind, #politics
[02:24] <f_newton> the k8 is 64 bit
[02:24] <Fitzsimmons> hello all
[02:24] <cute_bettong> how well does Ubuntu and programs support AMD 64 CPU's?
[02:24] <f_newton> thoreauputic, thats the butthead who appointed himself leader not most of the people but yeah yer right
[02:24] <robertj> as far as I understand it, Ubuntu in 1950 == charity in 1600
[02:25] <robertj> err ubuntu rather
[02:25] <HrdwrBoB> cute_bettong: very well
[02:25] <thoreauputic> f_newton: yeah i know - my mother was American so I'm not anti-USA
[02:25] <cute_bettong> ok thanx
[02:25] <aceb747> i like to add alot of things on the computer... i think debian is going to be the better choice for me in this case
[02:25] <Fitzsimmons> is there a webpage for what to expect in the upcoming (stable) release of ubuntu?
[02:25] <cute_bettong> it's me ChurcH_of_FoamY
[02:25] <Fitzsimmons> i.e. are there plans for gnome 2.12?
[02:25] <robertj> Americans are all crazy, just like the rest of the world ;)
[02:25] <f_newton> I am a us citizen, used to be a republican til it went nazi and I love my homeland but the current leaders leave much to be desired
[02:25] <Seveas> Fitzsimmons, ubuntu releases evolve around gnome
[02:25] <HrdwrBoB> Fitzsimmons: ubuntu is always released with the latest gnome
[02:26] <Seveas> breezy will have 2.12
[02:26] <kaffeend> is there an #evolution channel?
[02:26] <HrdwrBoB> Fitzsimmons: it's specifically set up that way
[02:26] <Mariux> thoreauputic: you can be anti-usa even though your mother was born there, you dont control where you are born
[02:26] <Seveas> breezy+1 2.14
[02:26] <Seveas> etc...
[02:26] <HrdwrBoB> kaffeend: why don't you join it and find out :
[02:26] <HrdwrBoB> :)
[02:26] <bimberi> Hmm...
[02:26] <bimberi> !fixsound
[02:26] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, fixsound is http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[02:26] <Mariux> !fixgcc
[02:26] <ubotu> Mariux: Are you smoking crack?
[02:26] <Fitzsimmons> HrdwrBoB, Seveas: awesome - so we can expect another ubuntu release shortly after 2.12 release?
[02:26] <f_newton> lol
[02:26] <bimberi> ubotu: forget fixsound
[02:26] <ubotu> i forgot fixsound, bimberi
[02:26] <kaffeend> there is :D
[02:26] <bimberi> that's better
[02:26] <thoreauputic> Mariux: I meant I'm not against USA people - i just dislike the current government
[02:26] <HrdwrBoB> Fitzsimmons: release every six months
[02:26] <kaffeend> HrdwrBoB thanks
[02:26] <FuMo> aceb747: the 6 month release cycle is quite compeling if u dont have to have bleading edge and want stable
[02:27] <HrdwrBoB> in april and october
[02:27] <Fitzsimmons> HrdwrBoB: is there a feature list?
[02:27] <f_newton> well thoreauputic just like 60% of the us citizenry
[02:27] <FuMo> with ubuntu that is def not debian
[02:27] <kaffeend> but I'm the only person in it
[02:27] <whitefang> what is the ipp service that's running by default?
[02:27] <robertj> I was talking to this one guy, and he had lived with the Quakers and the Jesus people and so I told him I had been reading up on intentional communities and asked him if he was interested in communism. He gave me this look like I just asked him to come lynch someone this weekend.
[02:27] <thoreauputic> f_newton: yup i hear you
[02:27] <HrdwrBoB> Fitzsimmons: no
[02:27] <HrdwrBoB> Fitzsimmons: not that I'm aware og
[02:27] <HrdwrBoB> of
[02:27] <Fitzsimmons> okay then
[02:27] <Fitzsimmons> I was hoping for a preview just like the gnome preview :P
[02:27] <kaffeend> anyone know anything about elolution? I would really appreciate some help if possible plz?
[02:28] <f_newton> thoreauputic, according to us govt figures the current regime only supports 12% of the people while sticking to the remaining 88%
[02:28] <Fitzsimmons> will it be using gcc 4?
[02:28] <esac> searcher`: what were those 2 packages i needed .. linux-headers, and ?
[02:28] <avanspronsen> kaffeend: what's up?
[02:28] <direwolf> source?
[02:28] <thoreauputic> Fitzsimmons: yes to gcc 4
[02:28] <deprave> i give up on getting gaim-vv to configure correctly
[02:28] <Fitzsimmons> so ubuntu is likely going to be the first one to gcc 4 eh
[02:28] <kaffeend> avanpronsen I can't get evolution to get my gmail
[02:28] <f_newton> you are talking breezy right?
[02:28] <f_newton> due out in october?
[02:28] <Fitzsimmons> quite possibly even before gentoo
[02:28] <robertj> Fitz: it's likely to be the first big one
[02:29] <kaffeend> it tries
[02:29] <FlyingSquirrel32> f_newton thoreauputic, yes, but back to ubuntu... whats the diff between ubuntu and debian?
[02:29] <f_newton> kaffeend, whats the problem?
[02:29] <Fitzsimmons> gentoo goes stable that is
[02:29] <f_newton> ubuntu is a very nice gui based debian derrivative
[02:29] <kaffeend> avanpronsen the problem is I have ni what I'm doing! lol
[02:29] <Fitzsimmons> yes it is f_newton :)
[02:29] <FlyingSquirrel32> f_newton: debian doesn't have gui by default?
[02:29] <f_newton> so if you already know Fitzsimmons whats the question?
[02:30] <f_newton> mine never did
[02:30] <kaffeend> f_newton Just getting some help from avanpronsen - but thanks
[02:30] <whitefang> how do i autodetect my printer? it wasn't on during installation.
[02:30] <thoreauputic> FlyingSquirrel32: I don't really see much difference - I used to use debian and I prefer ubuntu, but if I had to go back to debian I wouldn't be upset: it's a great distro
[02:30] <robertj> so is Xorg in Breezy going to 7.0?
[02:30] <f_newton> ok kaffeend let me know if you continue to have gmail problems
[02:30] <HrdwrBoB> whitefang: turn it on
[02:30] <HrdwrBoB> go to printers
[02:30] <HrdwrBoB> add printer
[02:30] <FuMo> FlyingSquirrel32: debian is very conservitive
[02:30] <HrdwrBoB> it should be in the list
[02:30] <kaffeend> f_newton thanks - will do
[02:30] <whitefang> no printers are detected...
[02:30] <f_newton> :)
[02:30] <whitefang> and there's no driver for my printer.
[02:30] <whitefang> canon i550
[02:31] <f_newton> whitefang use the bjc 8200 driver for that
[02:31] <tahorg> One day, Xorg will be fixed breezy. One day.
[02:31] <Goodspeed> whats a good place to put my music?
[02:31] <robertj> but will it be 6.9 or 7.0?
[02:31] <raDeon> Goodspeed, in between your legs
[02:31] <benkong2> are all the files in /etc/cron.daily set to run from default install such as slocate apt etc.?
[02:31] <FlyingSquirrel32> f_newton,thoreauputic: more stable? better for a server? does it have a gui by default?
[02:31] <Goodspeed> :( it wont fit
[02:31] <thoreauputic> Goodspeed: in a directory named music?
[02:31] <FuMo> FlyingSquirrel32: they still install with the 2.4 kernel by default
[02:31] <f_newton> FlyingSquirrel32, what??
[02:31] <Goodspeed> but should it be under my home folder
[02:31] <raDeon> Goodspeed, how about ~/music
[02:31] <Goodspeed> or can i put it somewhere else
[02:31] <raDeon> Goodspeed, sure, knock yourself out
[02:31] <FlyingSquirrel32> f_newton: debian!?
[02:32] <Goodspeed> do i need to log in under root to do that though?
[02:32] <raDeon> Goodspeed, depends where you want to put it
[02:32] <FuMo> debian best choice for server because of its release cycle
[02:32] <f_newton> FlyingSquirrel32, debian hasnt really progressed since the developers decided they were perfect and started looking down thier noses at everyone else
[02:32] <tahorg> robertj: well, 7.0 or 6.9, if it's broken it's useless .
[02:32] <Goodspeed> id love to put it in /
[02:32] <raDeon> ubuntu has no root account usually anyway
[02:32] <f_newton> the same thing is currently happening to fedora devs
[02:32] <raDeon> Goodspeed, you don't want to put it in /
[02:32] <Goodspeed> i know which makes it even harder
[02:32] <robertj> tahorg: so I imagine they will ship a working version then, eh?
[02:32] <Goodspeed> so i might as well just put it in my home folder?
[02:32] <thoreauputic> FlyingSquirrel32: the "gui by default" thing is kind of not the right question - if you do a server install, neither shpould have a gui. If you want a desktop, both have desktops...
[02:32] <Goodspeed> where do you have yours?
[02:32] <raDeon> Goodspeed, that's where i have mine
[02:32] <whitefang> does anyone know what the ipp server is that installs by default?
[02:32] <cefx> Anyone have Quake3 for linux?
[02:32] <Goodspeed> ok
[02:32] <raDeon> i have mine in my home folder
[02:32] <raDeon> and /mnt/win_d/Music
[02:33] <tahorg> robertj: I hope but Xorg is broken for about 2 weeks now
[02:33] <raDeon> which is my windows D drive
[02:33] <raDeon> fat32
[02:33] <benkong2> anyone? are all the files in /etc/cron.daily set to run from default install such as slocate apt etc.?
[02:33] <direwolf> holy shinola i think compiling this driver might actually work this time...everyone cross fingers!
[02:33] <FlyingSquirrel32> thoreauputic: great, Yeah they were two separate unrelated questions, but you answered them both thanks.
[02:33] <aceb747> cefx: what games have you had run under linux?
[02:33] <cefx> none
[02:34] <whitefang> i've seen guild wars run under linux.
[02:34] <whitefang> i can't get it to work though
[02:34] <thoreauputic> Goodspeed: putting your personal data anywhere but /hom/you is just making work for yourself
[02:34] <Goodspeed> yeaaa
[02:34] <sklp> cefx: http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/q3a/
[02:34] <thoreauputic> * /home/you
[02:34] <esac> can i join my linux system to an active directory domain, and run ipsec for authentication ?
[02:34] <FlyingSquirrel32> thoreauputic: is ubuntu just as fitting as a server, given you do the server install?
[02:34] <HrdwrBoB> esac: .. sort of
[02:34] <robertj> thoreauputic: I almost always end up having mine in /var/somewhere as well
[02:34] <HrdwrBoB> ipsec isn't authentication anywya
[02:34] <direwolf> i had to say it didnt i?
[02:34] <Goodspeed> im so glad if ound this site http://ubuntuguide.org
[02:34] <morphiushacker> I am having a little troble w/ init scipts. Anyone familiar. Particularly with pure-ftpd
[02:34] <thoreauputic> FlyingSquirrel32: ubuntulinux.org runs on - guess what?
[02:35] <esac> HrdwrBoB: what are the gotchas with it .. and isnt ipsec ip verification ?
[02:35] <cefx> \....
[02:35] <cefx> I don't need instructions.
[02:35] <cefx> I want to download the game :P
[02:35] <Goodspeed> whats the taskbar called?
[02:35] <Goodspeed> gnomebar
[02:35] <Goodspeed> or something
[02:35] <cefx> gnome-panel
[02:35] <cafuego> panel
[02:35] <direwolf> /home/direwolf/linux_driver/rtl8180-0.21/ieee80211_crypt_wep.c:27:2: warning: #warning CONFIG_CRYPTO_ARC4 is required to build this module.
[02:36] <morphiushacker> anyone, Init scripts?
[02:36] <poningru> taskbar whats a taskbar
[02:36] <direwolf> ack
[02:36] <poningru> ;)
[02:36] <FlyingSquirrel32> thoreauputic: good. I'll stick with ubuntu. Thanks for all of your help, and sorry to interrupt your conversation about politics ;)
[02:36] <cafuego> poningru: Like a Dock
[02:36] <andy_> anyone knows if ubuntu would have problems, if i would now turn of the pc, install a pctv card and boot up again?
[02:36] <thoreauputic> FlyingSquirrel32: heheh
[02:36] <robertj> if beagle ever makes it to core, does that mean scrollkeeper can go away?
[02:36] <puff> join #ibmthinkpad
[02:36] <direwolf> i dont think i have that ...
[02:36] <cafuego> andy_: No, it'd be fine.
[02:36] <andy_> would ub recognize the card too?
[02:36] <skalpel> iwhat is the term command to close the disc tray?
[02:36] <puff> Dammit.
[02:36] <morphiushacker> andy_ you will have trouble with x and will have to reconfigure. Goggle it
[02:36] <HrdwrBoB> esac: I'm not sure you are asking the right questions :)
[02:36] <thoreauputic> skalpel: eject -t
[02:36] <morphiushacker> *google
[02:36] <cafuego> andy_: if it was a supported card, yes.
[02:36] <esac> HrdwrBoB: what should i be asking ? :)
[02:37] <direwolf> i resent my n00bness
[02:37] <andy_> ok so it would mess up the X?
[02:37] <Snufj> direwolf grateful dead?
[02:37] <PurpleMotion> im in a really shitty mood
[02:37] <skalpel> thoreaputic: thank you
[02:37] <cafuego> I'd be too if I were purple.
[02:37] <direwolf> yep :)
[02:37] <Snufj> hehe
[02:38] <direwolf> in the timbers of fennario
[02:38] <Snufj> love them
[02:38] <FlyingSquirrel32> thoreauputic: I'm full-blooded american and I agree, due to propaganda, many americans know nothing of comunism, consider it to be wholy corrupt and a failure.
[02:38] <nickrud> direwolf, I've used debian for a long time, and I resent my n00bnes :)
[02:38] <avanspronsen> esac: what are you trying to do?
[02:38] <whitefang> how do i disable the lan printing service? it was installed by default.
[02:38] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion:  /nick MoodIndigo
[02:38] <InquiringMind> anybody know how to get my iriver working in ubuntu?
[02:38] <luminerd> what the...
[02:38] <luminerd> my mouse won't work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:38] <direwolf> same here
[02:38] <luminerd> dammit why so many freakin problems
[02:38] <InquiringMind> luminerd, stop spamming
[02:38] <morphiushacker> ok, what you will want to do is install the card and then you can vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf. It says it is auto-configured by a particular program. Run that program (after X screws up) that should reconfigure it.
[02:38] <luminerd> InquiringMind, this is not spam!!
[02:38] <luminerd> InquiringMind, my mouse WON'T work!!!
[02:38] <direwolf> 10 years on tues(?)
[02:38] <InquiringMind> luminerd:  that many !'s is spamming
[02:38] <PurpleMotion> FlyingSquirrel32:  as demonstrated by people lack of ability to even articulate the word itself (communism)
[02:38] <direwolf> :(
[02:38] <luminerd> ok well I'm sorry now address the problem please
[02:38] <PurpleMotion> people's
[02:39] <InquiringMind> im my book
[02:39] <FlyingSquirrel32> thoreauputic: I'm neutral but I agree that the communistic principles are superior if they could be carried out.
[02:39] <esac> avanspronsen: my work runs an active directory domain, and ipsec (ipsec/policyagent). i want to setup linux, and be able to smbmount, visit internal websites, etc... as though i were actually joined to the domain
[02:39] <morphiushacker> mouse ppl: are you using a KVM Switch?
[02:39] <FlyingSquirrel32> PurpleMotion: Hah :D I really do know how to spell it ;)
[02:39] <socomm> Viva socialismo!
[02:39] <PurpleMotion> they're superior on paper, but people are ambitious. that's why communism failed. They never factored in pride and ambition
[02:39] <andy_> uhm sorry, morphiushacker but what prog do you mean?
[02:39] <thoreauputic> FlyingSquirrel32: why are you talking about communism? I never mentioned it and I'm not in favour of it
[02:39] <skalpel> what can you do f your computer wont stop looking for your disc drive and it makes that annoying whirring sound and you want to get rid of it?
[02:39] <morphiushacker> hang on andy
[02:39] <t0mmy> that new apple mouse looks preetty fine
[02:40] <t0mmy> anyone tried it with linux yet? i think it went on sale today
[02:40] <robertj> t0mmy: where in Georgia are you at?
[02:40] <PurpleMotion> it's a mouse
[02:40] <t0mmy> lawrenceville, metro atlanta
[02:40] <PurpleMotion> a mouse is a mouse
[02:40] <nickrud> skalpel, figure out what process is acessing the disk ;P
[02:40] <robertj> I'm from Lawrenceville and live in Athens
[02:40] <robertj> I'll be up there this weekend
[02:40] <PurpleMotion> as long as it doesnt get clogged, what more do you possibly need?
[02:40] <morphiushacker> the program is dexconf
[02:40] <t0mmy> yes, but with a 360 scroll button and touch sensitive buttons
[02:40] <socomm> I concur, that mouse looks awesome.
[02:40] <andy_> ah ok thx
[02:40] <direwolf> nickrud: youre saying im stuck like this forever huh?
[02:41] <nickrud> no, try top
[02:41] <PurpleMotion> yeah because it's sooo much strain ony our fingers to actually depress a button less than 1/16th on an inch...
[02:41] <thoreauputic> FlyingSquirrel32: or is it so deeply ingrained in the American psyche that anyone who criticises their policy must be communist?
[02:41] <robertj> t0mmy: I went to Central Gwinnett & work at UGA
[02:41] <PurpleMotion> hehe
[02:41] <nickrud> first check, anyway
[02:41] <avanspronsen> esac:  mine too, there are lots of options
[02:41] <cafuego> What! Now all of a sudden people *like* apple mice?
[02:41] <t0mmy> heh, my dad's a georgia tech fan :D
[02:41] <t0mmy> http://www.apple.com/mightymouse/
[02:41] <robertj> but does Georgia Tech have an Ubuntu mirror?
[02:41] <deprave_> gaim-vv = IMPOSSIBLE ON UBUNTU!
[02:41] <FlyingSquirrel32> thoreauputic: I guess you're right, that was robertj
[02:41] <nickrud> i'd look for gam_server
[02:41] <t0mmy> :(
[02:41] <morphiushacker> andy: after installing the card, x *may* glitch up. If it does type dexconf. in a terminal
[02:41] <t0mmy> XD
[02:41] <PurpleMotion> deprave i seriously doubt that
[02:41] <direwolf> do you guys think that this message means the modules wont work? -
[02:41] <InquiringMind> does anybody know how i can get my iriver working in ubuntu?
[02:41] <deprave_> PurpleMotion : i'm stumped.
[02:41] <direwolf> /home/direwolf/linux_driver/rtl8180-0.21/ieee80211_crypt_wep.c:27:2: warning: #warning CONFIG_CRYPTO_ARC4 is required to build this module.
[02:42] <PurpleMotion> ill play with it
[02:42] <deprave_> and exhausted.
[02:42] <direwolf> its just a warning hahaha
[02:42] <PurpleMotion> at some point
[02:42] <andy_> so dexconf is like a 'fix-x-program if i get it :)
[02:42] <cafuego> direwolf: Enable CONFIG_CRYPTO_ARC4 in your kernel.
[02:42] <morphiushacker> yes
[02:42] <robertj> FlyingSquirrel32: People everywhere are stupid.
[02:42] <t0mmy> i want an apple comp to dual boot with ubuntu so i can try out OSX
[02:42] <direwolf> cafuego: my n00bness prevents this...how do i do that ?
[02:42] <morphiushacker> it may not configure properly though. It's part of the install program. if it can't auto configure, you may have to tell it what to do.
[02:42] <andy_> and after that the card should work
[02:42] <cefx> Is Quake 3 in apt-get?
[02:42] <t0mmy> it looks pretty snazzy
[02:42] <PurpleMotion> i dont like it
[02:43] <t0mmy> cefx: the demo might be
[02:43] <cefx> t0mmy, the game is free :P
[02:43] <cafuego> direwolf: Are you sure you ought to be compiling kernel modules?
[02:43] <robertj> t0mmy: it works pretty well, I like it
[02:43] <FlyingSquirrel32> robertj: Amen, Brother!!  :-D
[02:43] <t0mmy> ...
[02:43] <PurpleMotion> people are going to have all kinds of trouble with the buttons
[02:43] <t0mmy> quake 3 is free?
[02:43] <direwolf> absolutely now
[02:43] <t0mmy> wasn't aware of that
[02:43] <direwolf> not*
[02:43] <morphiushacker> when x screws up it will ask you if you want to run the x configuration program. You sould tell it yes only if dexconf does not.
[02:43] <nickrud> beer, maybe
[02:43] <cafuego> t0mmy: Mac Minis dual-boot very nicely.
[02:43] <t0mmy> i knew the quake 1 engine was...
[02:43] <t0mmy> ah, i want one :/
[02:43] <andy_> ic. i'll give it a try :)
[02:43] <skalpel> nickrud: thank you
[02:43] <andy_> thx!
[02:44] <t0mmy> i want a mac mini, a new monitor, a mighty mouse, and a logitech keyboard
[02:44] <skalpel> i have to say learning linux with the help of ubuntu and this support channel has been the best thing ever
[02:44] <skalpel> i really like it.
[02:44] <cafuego> I'm sure the ibooks do too, but you can't use the wireless on 'em
[02:44] <t0mmy> damn parents won't let me put one in my room >_>
[02:44] <nickrud> skalpel, i'll bite, for what?
[02:44] <neighborlee> how do I adapt my current system so pressing eject button on cdrom drive ejects the media ???
[02:44] <morphiushacker> once again: is anyone good with init scripts?
[02:44] <robertj> t0mmy: well you'll obviously just have to kill them?
[02:44] <cefx> t0mmy, is there any way to search the packages or find it?
 skalpel, figure out what process is acessing the disk ;P
[02:44] <skalpel> for that
[02:44] <t0mmy> via synaptic, but i don't recall quake 3 being in it
[02:44] <nickrud> ah
[02:44] <skalpel> it worked.
[02:44] <PurpleMotion> skalpel:  yeah, this channel sets the standard for real time volunteer-based help systems
[02:44] <direwolf> readme's didnt say anything about it
[02:44] <nickrud> forgot that dig ;)
[02:44] <glick> fuck this!
[02:45] <Razor-X> skalpel: I tihnk it's more influential to be dumped straight into the command-line ;)
[02:45] <skalpel> purplemotion: definately
[02:45] <direwolf> readme's were pretty thin though
[02:45] <glick> what the hell
[02:45] <Razor-X> s/tihnk/think/
[02:45] <Razor-X> swim, or die trying ;)
[02:45] <Razor-X> (faster that way, meh)
[02:45] <PurpleMotion> glick:  somethign we can do to help?
[02:45] <Razor-X> and unlike in the pool, most swim in this case
[02:45] <direwolf> exactly
[02:45] <f_newton> neighborlee, I dont think there is a script for that
[02:45] <skalpel> razor-x: maybe, i am learning. the terminal is essential in linux, and works seamlessly with the windows server, i really like it much better than windows
[02:45] <glick> im trying to packport this package and the shit always segfaults after like a fuckin hour of building!
[02:45] <f_newton> it has to do with the way the fs is mounted neighborlee
[02:45] <Razor-X> skalpel: that's because Windows is fscking stupid
[02:45] <skalpel> i think ubuntu will have alot to do with how people choose their OS
[02:46] <Razor-X> those idiots are trying to seperate the command-line and the GUI so much, it's becoming pathetic
[02:46] <neighborlee> f_newton, do you know if its a project being worked on possibly to add this as a feature ?
[02:46] <glick> other people say they can backport it no problem
[02:46] <PurpleMotion> glick:  have you looked at the build log or gone back through stdout to see if there's a clue as to why?
[02:46] <glick> wtf am i doing wring
[02:46] <cefx> Is there any way to search packages for a particular game?
[02:46] <InquiringMind> does anybody know how i can get my iriver working under ubuntu?
[02:46] <f_newton> I have no idea neighborlee most people just right click on the icon and choose eject
[02:46] <glick> /bin/sh: line 1:  4845 Segmentation fault      LD_LIBRARY_PATH=../objs_gtk_sh/lib: ../objs_gtk_sh/utils/tex2rtf/src/tex2rtf ../docs/latex/wx/manual.tex ../docs/wx-manual.html/wx2.6-manual.html -twice -html
[02:46] <glick> make: *** [build-doc-stamp]  Error 139
[02:46] <Razor-X> I definitely thing that, in about another 6 years, Linux _will_ be mainstream
[02:46] <Razor-X> glick: your lLaTeX is broken?
[02:46] <InquiringMind> i think that linux will never defeat the mac
[02:46] <f_newton> Razor-X, Ive been saying that since 92
[02:46] <PurpleMotion> linux already IS mainstream
[02:46] <Razor-X> s/l//
[02:46] <PurpleMotion> glick:  that's not very informative, eh
[02:46] <f_newton> or was it 95?
[02:46] <neighborlee> f_newton, yeah I know..its so lame ( no offense)..I want to use eject button cause I paid for it LOL
[02:46] <direwolf> it may take longer but eventually i think it will happen
[02:46] <glick> Razor-X, i dont kow
[02:47] <Razor-X> f_newton: you thought that in '92?
[02:47] <skalpel> what does it mean if gnomebaker tells me that there is no media present in the drive when there is a disc inside of it?
[02:47] <Razor-X> wow, you're a sad dreamer ;)
[02:47] <robertj> t0mmy: BTW, do you eat out alot?
[02:47] <Razor-X> I don't think Linux even picked up till the last year-and-a-half
[02:47] <PurpleMotion> could be tetex
[02:47] <D1> whats a good cd ripper with OPTIONS unlike sound juicer?
[02:47] <t0mmy> not really
[02:47] <f_newton> thats sad dreamer sir to you kid
[02:47] <Razor-X> till then, Linux was still pretty gone
[02:47] <neighborlee> InquiringMind, you may be right about that
[02:47] <robertj> Gwinnett's full of good food
[02:47] <Razor-X> f_newton: I was 2 then, mind you
[02:47] <glick> what the hell cant i be like just compile the shit without documentation
[02:47] <Razor-X> in '92, I mean
[02:47] <robertj> The Sweet Tomato down at Gwinnett Mall is a frequent destination when we are out there
[02:47] <Razor-X> glick: well, it's simply ``latex blah.tex''
[02:47] <geneo93> grip
[02:48] <direwolf> cafuego, do you have a url offhand with a how to?
[02:48] <Razor-X> that's what I use, as long as it compiles right, it's cool
[02:48] <nickrud> D1, grip is a standard
[02:48] <f_newton> I didnt start using linux mainstream myself until around 99
[02:48] <cefx> How can I search for a particular package to be installed?
[02:48] <thoreauputic> InquiringMind: I have a mac notebook - but after my initial excitement with OS-X I found Linux was much more amenable to free use of all its aspects, so I run Ubuntu on it now almost all the time
[02:48] <direwolf> cafuego, i apologize being lazy...here i come google
[02:48] <Razor-X> I picked up on Linux in '01
[02:48] <f_newton> and then it was mdk
[02:48] <sklp> cefx: you can find linux demo and linux retail installer at ftp://ftp.idsoftware.com/idstuff/quake3/linux , AFAIK q3 is not in APT
[02:48] <glick> but if the build fails it deletes everything it built so far ima have to restart that shit from the beginning
[02:48] <D1> hmm, whats it use to encode?
[02:48] <glick> which will take another 2 hours
[02:48] <f_newton> went to rh right after that and stuck with it
[02:48] <robertj> t0mmy: are you in school anywhere?
[02:48] <andy_> cefx, apt-cache search game
[02:49] <nickrud> D1, you can use ogg, lame, whatever encoder you tell it to
[02:49] <robertj> thor: I really like my G3 ibook
[02:49] <D1> oh ok.
[02:49] <PurpleMotion> Razor-X:  are you mad? linux has been snowballing support and popularity over at least the past six or seven years, and it just keeps getting stronger.. hell, even IBM launched a billion dollar campaign for open source support, focused around linux (the His Name Is Linux commercials), and package it with their eServer line. I think their grant to the linux community was something to the tune of a hundred million dollars
[02:49] <t0mmy> yes...
[02:49] <t0mmy> crap, dinnertime (we eat late :D)
[02:49] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: it has been snowballing support, but it's only come into the limelight in the last 2 years
[02:49] <Razor-X> because of the timing
[02:49] <Razor-X> A) Spyware and Adware broke out
[02:50] <PurpleMotion> it's not as mainstream as windows, for the most part because 99.9% of computer users are either too lazy to learn something new, too stupid to learn something new, or brainwashed into thinking if its not microsoft, it's worthless
[02:50] <glick> where does pbuilder keep its build logs?
[02:50] <geneo93> flac uses lots of space though
[02:50] <f_newton> PurpleMotion, yeah well ibm started bill gates on his road to attempted domination and they are the proper ones to smack him down
[02:50] <direwolf> i think part of the problem is that many vendors are locked in to windows
[02:50] <Razor-X> B) Apple released their totally redesigned OS
[02:50] <Razor-X> geneo93: that's because it's lossless
[02:50] <robertj> thoreauputic, fine, but that's a whole extra keypress I hope you know
[02:50] <Razor-X> C) Security went out of hand
[02:50] <skalpel> what does it mean if gnomebaker tells me that there is no media present in the drive when there is a disc inside of it? it stops halfway through end ejects my rw disc
[02:50] <cefx> sklp: Firefox won't open the .run file.
[02:50] <robertj> OS X is good for what it is, but it's certainly NOT any easier to use for most folk
[02:50] <f_newton> direwolf, its distros like suse,ubuntu, and fedora that will break loose the hold ms has on users
[02:50] <Razor-X> D) After 9/11, costs in the US became much higher and the .com bubble broke
[02:51] <thoreauputic> robertj: heheh - I *do* hope you don't get carpal tunnel syndrome ;)
[02:51] <glick> is there a seperate ubuntu developers channel?
[02:51] <geneo93> cheap hardware
[02:51] <PurpleMotion> f_newton:  but at the same time, IBM is one of the largest proponents of the fritz-chip (which gives me hope that when this chip becomes widespread reality, we [the open source community]  will be able to look towards IBM for a license
[02:51] <PurpleMotion> )
[02:51] <Razor-X> I think all those things really influenced Linux to pick up rapidly
[02:51] <cefx> using wget
[02:51] <cefx> :D
[02:51] <Razor-X> nowadays, a Slack install is _nothing_ like a Slack install from when I started
[02:51] <f_newton> ibm is losing groundfast they sold their pc division to chinese govt and are a useless shell of a company now
[02:51] <FlyingSquirrel32> Okay, Ubuntu installer doesn't see the SCSI hard drives in my 350MHz compaq proliant... What do I do?
[02:52] <nickrud> f_newton, lamo
[02:52] <Razor-X> FlyingSquirrel32: I don't think Ubuntu is for a 350 mhz machine
[02:52] <FlyingSquirrel32> Razor-X: Too much for it?
[02:52] <robertj> Your average OS X user never knows when an application is closed, has Internet Explorer 5 for Mac as their default web browser, and uses Appleworks.
[02:52] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: yeah, evn I can install Slack these days ;-)
[02:52] <f_newton> Razor-X, it should be fine for it as long as there is enough memoryh
[02:52] <Razor-X> f_newton: but the Chinese IBM equivalent will back down ;)
[02:52] <sklp> cefx: save the .run file
[02:52] <Razor-X> FlyingSquirrel32: yeah
[02:52] <FlyingSquirrel32> Razor-X: Even the server install
[02:52] <geneo93> hey it works fine on 300mhz
[02:52] <Razor-X> FlyingSquirrel32: yes
[02:52] <PurpleMotion> I think you are precluding too much, and your assertation of linux and where it stands int he computing world is WAY off
[02:52] <f_newton> Razor-X, keep dreaming
[02:52] <cefx> sklp: yeah i just used wget instead :)
[02:52] <Razor-X> geneo93: wow
[02:53] <robertj> So instead of dealing with viruses, they spend time trying to figure out how to get their documents to open in Word, trying to figure out why it says the website will work with Internet Explorer but it doesn't, etc
[02:53] <Razor-X> s/will/will not/
[02:53] <PurpleMotion> there is no chinese equivalent to ibm
[02:53] <PurpleMotion> ibm is a global industry leader
[02:53] <f_newton> yes there is PurpleMotion its called ibm
[02:53] <PurpleMotion> heh
[02:53] <geneo93> just have to have loads of memory
[02:53] <Razor-X> robertj: yeah, that's true
[02:53] <D1> hmm, how can I get soundjuicer to rip mp3s with gstreamer? its not on the menu.
[02:53] <Razor-X> Mac users aren't too much smarter
[02:53] <Razor-X> but it made Windows become less viable
[02:53] <FlyingSquirrel32> Well if it was a 2.8 Ghz, how would I make it see my SCSI drives?
[02:54] <Razor-X> and in the little rift it caused, Linux seeped through
[02:54] <robertj> Razor: my experience is that Mac users do tend to be slightly dumber than average
[02:54] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: I have Ubuntu and fluxbox running on a pentium 200mmx with 64MB ram :)
[02:54] <Razor-X> you don't see BeOS, or BSD becoming mainstream, do you?
[02:54] <PurpleMotion> mac users understand a hell of a lot more about filesystem maintenance and navigation than your average windows user...
[02:54] <robertj> Razor: and they tend to be fear-induced purchasers
[02:54] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: wow, meh
[02:54] <PurpleMotion> linux seeped through? do you hear yourself?
[02:54] <f_newton> FlyingSquirrel32, you may need to load your scsi driver first
[02:54] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: yes, I do
[02:54] <skalpel> what does it mean if gnomebaker tells me that there is no media present in the drive when there is a disc inside of it? it stops halfway through end ejects my rw disc.
[02:54] <f_newton> all this discussion about linux mac windows is very pointless
[02:54] <glick> is there a ubuntu developers channel or something?
[02:54] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: the only thing that's really slow to start is Firefox :(
[02:54] <f_newton> glick there is bound to be somewhere
[02:55] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: Dillo :)
[02:55] <nickrud> skalpel, I don't have the answer, but I do have your problem
[02:55] <robertj> thor: hehe, Firefox isn't slow on my mac ;)
[02:55] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: yup, i know:)
[02:55] <robertj> (sorry just had to say that)
[02:55] <skalpel> nickrud: gee i am very sorry. too bad we cannot get any help.
[02:55] <Razor-X> my 100 mhz can run Ubuntu, you think?
[02:55] <FlyingSquirrel32> f_newton: How??
[02:55] <hmrocha> hi
[02:55] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: but some things dillo just can't do - like banking
[02:55] <skalpel> nickrud have you tried using diff burning software?
[02:55] <Razor-X> (that woudl kick serious ass)
[02:55] <PurpleMotion> we didnt 'seep' through anything. we've been here all along, and we've been getting stronger. through the support of companies like IBM the business community is starting to look towards us as a viable alternative to windows..
[02:55] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: ahhh, yeah
[02:55] <direwolf> ahem open office ahem
[02:55] <PurpleMotion> this seeping through crap is nonsense
[02:55] <hmrocha> i have a friend that doesn't have broadband internet access
[02:55] <Razor-X> direwolf: LaTeX
[02:55] <nickrud> skalpel, I've gotten around it pretty much (for my needs) with nautilus for writing, and dd for reading iso's
[02:56] <hmrocha> he wants to use his 56k internal modem
[02:56] <thoreauputic> robertj: it isn't slow on *my* mac either ;)
[02:56] <robertj> Apple flat out sucks for not support OOo
[02:56] <geneo93> proliants have bastard scsi drivers
[02:56] <glick> is latex broken or something
[02:56] <robertj> thoreauputic, that second gig of ram really kinda made sure it stays snappy
[02:56] <hmrocha> i tried using the gui in system->networking
[02:56] <Razor-X> glick: try reinstalling
[02:56] <skalpel> nickrud: how do i write a disc with nautilus?
[02:56] <glick> is that why its seffauilting
[02:56] <hmrocha> but it didn't work
[02:56] <direwolf> Razor-X, yeah ...helps me last longer
[02:56] <glick> how the hell are other people able to backport it but not me
[02:56] <robertj> thoreauputic, although VirtualPC is still not as fast as a decent P2
[02:56] <hmrocha> what can i do?
[02:56] <glick> wtf
[02:56] <Razor-X> glick: backport what?
[02:56] <thoreauputic> direwolf: you don't even think about open ofice on a 200mmx 64MB - you run abiword
[02:56] <glick> wxpython
[02:57] <reka> hmrocha: as in it wasn't detected?
[02:57] <Agrajag-> gday. i have an ubuntu box at work, where i can't download everything that apt-get dist-upgrade wants because of the size. is there a way i can download the required packages somewhere else and put them on a cd or something to install here?
[02:57] <robertj> (btw, 1 gig is the absolute minimum for acceptable VirtualPC performance with an XP guest)
[02:57] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: I would run LaTeX, but i'm a huge LaTeX proponent ;)
[02:57] <angryfix> hey zak
[02:57] <direwolf> true thoreauputic
[02:57] <FlyingSquirrel32> geneo93: what is that supposed to mean, hard to get to work in a GNU world?
[02:57] <PurpleMotion> thoreauputic:  i'd say koffice, but i'd imagine kde would harf and die, heh
[02:57] <zak> Hey
[02:57] <hmrocha> reka, no, it wasn't detected
[02:57] <robertj> Agrajag: indeed! You can install the packages and then use dpkg -i to install them
[02:57] <nickrud> skalpel, hm, if it' just an iso you downloaded (like colony 2) right click and write disk
[02:57] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: I got KDE working snappily on my 100 mhz 486 there ;)
[02:57] <skalpel> nickrud: what if i want to make a data disc or an audio disc?
[02:57] <Agrajag-> robertj,: yeah i realise this.. but my problem is how to download the required packages somewhere else
[02:57] <PurpleMotion> how much ram and what version of kde?
[02:58] <reka> hmrocha: well, iirc, you can try and install your modem drivers (which i don't know how to do) or try wvdial (which i do know how to do)
[02:58] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: KDE 3, 40 MB RAM
[02:58] <geneo93> FlyingSquirrel32:  no just you need to know what it is first
[02:58] <PurpleMotion> i find 'snappily' very hard to believe, heh
[02:58] <Razor-X> (guess how ;)
[02:58] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: Thin Client XD
[02:58] <hmrocha> reka, i tried wvdial too, but it can't detect the modem also
[02:58] <nickrud> skalpel, data only, my way. serpentine is backports, ymmv
[02:58] <PurpleMotion> true
[02:58] <f_newton> Razor-X, I tend to not believe you about that
[02:58] <robertj> Agrajag: well if you have a clean machine at home, you can clean out /var/cache/apt/archives and then apt-get install  and then take all the files that are there and put them on cd
[02:58] <Razor-X> just for kicks, I _had_ to see KDE on that monitor, working
[02:58] <geneo93> i have a 3000 here and it works just fine
[02:58] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: remote X right?
[02:59] <Razor-X> f_newton: in a thin client, it's possibly
[02:59] <Agrajag> asdf
[02:59] <PurpleMotion> still, why not use something like fluxbox for such a limited resource machine
[02:59] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: yeah, the other computer does the processing for you
[02:59] <Agrajag-> robertj: i've only got debian boxes at home
[02:59] <f_newton> ah thinclient... lol yeah remote x
[02:59] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: for regular use, I do, this was a show-offy thing ;)
[02:59] <nickrud> skalpel, if a blank disk is in the cdrom, nautilus burn:/// will get you a place to drop files and burn them
[02:59] <Agrajag-> robertj: that's hardly a nice solution
[02:59] <Razor-X> Agrajag-: aoeu
[02:59] <FlyingSquirrel32> geneo93: What? you're talking in riddles. you need to know what what is? the the model of the drive? the pc?
[02:59] <robertj> Agrajag: well are you willing to do the depts by hand?
[02:59] <PurpleMotion> yeah right on
[02:59] <Gorth> hey guys how do i run a program that i just installed in wine
[02:59] <robertj> if not you could setup a hoary chroot
[02:59] <direwolf> so far ive only tried kde gnome and xfce
[02:59] <Razor-X> Gorth: wine program
[02:59] <angryfix> While running Ubuntu, my intel extreme graphics card won't let me choose a higher resolution setting than 640x480, even though in my windows parition, I can go higher. How can I force the choice for higher and make it work?
[02:59] <FlyingSquirrel32> geneo93:SCSI?
[02:59] <PurpleMotion> so will konqueror burn:/// (I believe)
[02:59] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: yeah - if I need a hefty program I just ssh -X to my new box :)
[02:59] <PurpleMotion> i use k3b, heh
[02:59] <reka> Agrajag: you can download them directly: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/
[03:00] <Agrajag> robertj: please stop using tab completion, you're failing it
[03:00] <direwolf> ive gotta give fluxbox a shot
[03:00] <f_newton> i use k3b
[03:00] <Gorth> do i have to type out its whole path?!
[03:00] <PurpleMotion> fluxbox is nice
[03:00] <Agrajag-> reka: yeah i guess i should do that
[03:00] <reka> Agrajag: note that when you install, you will most probably run into dependency problems
[03:00] <Agrajag> oh
[03:00] <Razor-X> direwolf: don't, it's nasty XD
[03:00] <Gorth> i mean like C:/Program Files/yada yada yada
[03:00] <geneo93> wine program name
[03:00] <Agrajag> there's someone with almost the exact same nick here, that's why
[03:00] <Razor-X> well, it's actualy pretty nice, but if your system can handle Enlightenment or XFce, there's no comparison, IMHO
[03:00] <andy_> angryfix, gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf (or xfree86.conf, depends)
[03:00] <Agrajag-> i've been using agrajag for years and years :P
[03:00] <Razor-X> for my 486 there, Fluxbox just cruises
[03:00] <Gorth> i'm not sure what wine calls it :/
[03:00] <glick> isnt there a place where ubuntu developers chat?
[03:01] <reka> hmrocha: i think you might have a winmodem then...there's something about them on wvdial's website iirc
[03:01] <PurpleMotion> i dont like enlightenment
[03:01] <Agrajag> I've been using Zaphod for years, but since it was taken here I used this
[03:01] <direwolf> well short on ram here
[03:01] <Razor-X> glick: have you tried reinstaling LaTeX?
[03:01] <PurpleMotion> xfce is nice tho
[03:01] <Agrajag-> heh
[03:01] <reka> glick: #ubuntu-devel iirc
[03:01] <angryfix> andy_: so just one file needs changing...no other dependencies?
[03:01] <f_newton> Razor-X, why use a gui on a 486?
[03:01] <Razor-X> f_newton: because, I want to, I guess
[03:01] <PurpleMotion> i loved windowmaker back in the day
[03:01] <f_newton> fair enough
[03:01] <skalpel> nickrud: is there any way to make it appear on the tree in browser?
[03:01] <Razor-X> I rarely use a GUI, but it's there for show
[03:01] <skalpel> nickrud: so i do not have to open two file browsers?
[03:01] <thoreauputic> f_newton: if you use it as a thin client, why not?
[03:01] <Razor-X> just so that the back of my Terminal _looks_ good
[03:01] <f_newton> lol back in the day like you kids have any miles on ya
[03:01] <Razor-X> it serves no ohter purpose ;)
[03:01] <luminerd> My mouse won't work :( I'm using kubuntu 5.04...I can't even od the mouse.
[03:01] <andy_> worked for me, just changing the values in that file
[03:01] <nickrud> skalpel, no idea, I went for gnome spacial a long time ago
[03:02] <luminerd> I tried switching mouses
[03:02] <Razor-X> s/ohter/other/
[03:02] <luminerd> no mice will work on the system.
[03:02] <Razor-X> although, I also run ratpoison on that box too
[03:02] <hmrocha> reka, thanks
[03:02] <PurpleMotion> Razor-X:  there's a nifty kde improvement that allows you to embed a terminal directly into your desktop, heh
[03:02] <Razor-X> and ratpoison is also pretty nice, IMO
[03:02] <luminerd> the same mice work fine on my windoze box.
[03:02] <skalpel> nickrud: what is gnome spacial?
[03:02] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: oh, really?
[03:02] <geneo93> FlyingSquirrel32:  i have dual p2 300's and 300+ mb of ram
[03:02] <Razor-X> is it a Konsole only?
[03:02] <PurpleMotion> ratpoison is FAST
[03:02] <andy_> or try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:02] <PurpleMotion> yeah ill get you a link
[03:02] <robertj> andy_, does catting /dev/input/mice turn up any bits being spewed out/
[03:02] <Razor-X> aww, I use Eterm -_-
[03:02] <D1> ohhh, did they finally get rid of gnome-cd-player in gnome 2.11.90?
[03:02] <nickrud> skalpel, a sec
[03:02] <f_newton> i did andy_  and it worked so...
[03:02] <thoreauputic> f_newton: hmm i remember taking punch cards to the computer room front desk and waiting a day to get the output back
[03:02] <lJlolel> i installed java but firefox still doesn't work w/ java applets
[03:02] <Razor-X> Eterm loads even before my computer finishes playing the Ubuntu loading music
[03:03] <lJlolel> the firefox plugins folder has the symbolic link and everything...
[03:03] <f_newton> ah the ol burroughs 660
[03:03] <Razor-X> ;)
[03:03] <luminerd> My mouse won't work :( I'm using kubuntu 5.04...I can't even od the mouse.  :( I tried switching mouses...no mice will work on the system....the same mice work fine on my windoze box.
[03:03] <lJlolel> java -version says 1.5
[03:03] <cpt> ijo
[03:03] <direwolf> i used the addon cd to get jre initially
[03:03] <andy_> yeah but it's unreadable:)
[03:03] <f_newton> luminerd we need more info
[03:03] <robertj> luminerd: did catting /dev/input/mice show anything
[03:03] <luminerd> f_newton, what kind of info?
[03:03] <Razor-X> I love logitech's USB Thumb trackballs, they're incredible
[03:03] <f_newton> serial, ps2, usb?
[03:03] <lJlolel> direwolf, what addon cd?
[03:04] <luminerd> robertj, no :( but the module's loaded
[03:04] <luminerd> f_newton, ps/2
[03:04] <Razor-X> luminerd: try sudo aptitude install gpm
[03:04] <skalpel> dnd does not do me much good if i cannot have it in the same browser window
[03:04] <luminerd> ok 1 sec
[03:04] <PurpleMotion> Razor-X:  http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=17473
[03:04] <andy_> you need gpm for mouse
[03:04] <Razor-X> and then running the gpm config (which I forgot, but it's in the man page))
[03:04] <direwolf> if you already have it im not sure why its not working ljlolel
[03:04] <Razor-X> andy_: actually, X doesen't need gpm
[03:04] <direwolf> is it enabled in firefox preferences?
[03:05] <lJlolel> hm, lemme check
[03:05] <Mobius> so I flashed my BIOS and now im stuck using VESA drivers instead of i810 =/ anyone have any ideas?
[03:05] <lJlolel> yes
[03:05] <reka> lJlolel: *cough* have you restarted firefox?
[03:05] <PurpleMotion> Mobius:  the vesa drivers work better than the i810 drivers anyways
[03:05] <lJlolel> lol yes a few times
[03:05] <lJlolel> and i restarted the comp
[03:05] <Quest-Master> PurpleMotion: I beg to differ
[03:05] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: OMFG, that is MINE! ;)
[03:05] <lJlolel> it says i need the plugin where the applet should be
[03:05] <Mobius> PurpleMotion, they are actually slower and when I startup there are artifacts= /
[03:05] <PurpleMotion> ive seen at least ten people in here int he past two weeks with massive video driver problems, and reverting to the vesa driver fixed the issues EVERY time
[03:05] <nickrud> skalpel, spacial is (extreemly roughly) all folders open at the same place as the last time it was opened. The idea is you remember things by where they are in you environment
[03:06] <luminerd> Razor-X, ok what now?
[03:06] <lJlolel> i installed the sdk, could that be a problem (it says i have jre..)
[03:06] <aceb747> reka: what is wrong with firefox?
[03:06] <Razor-X> luminerd: did you configure gpm?
[03:06] <PurpleMotion> so *shrug* ymmv, i have an ati display
[03:06] <nickrud> vs browser, which is a window into your file system
[03:06] <luminerd> Razor-X, lol, no, I don't even know what gpm is
[03:06] <direwolf> sdk includes jre
[03:06] <Razor-X> luminerd: read the man page
[03:06] <luminerd> I ran the aptitude command.
[03:06] <PurpleMotion> Razor-X:  yeah, its slick
[03:06] <reka> aceb747: i don't like it....don't know why you're asking me though. :)
[03:06] <direwolf> i dont know about the plugin part
[03:06] <luminerd> Razor-X, there isn't one.
[03:06] <WebMaven> Hello. I'm having trouble with my Audio. The volume seems cranked up all the way, and the volume control doesn't turn it down.
[03:06] <Razor-X> luminerd: man gpm ?
[03:07] <luminerd> Razor-X, I know...there is no man.
[03:07] <pepsi> who was my breezy buddy?
[03:07] <aceb747> reka: jus wondering if you were thinking something else is better
[03:07] <Razor-X> luminerd: is this hoary?
[03:07] <nickrud> gnome spacial is different from ubuntu spacial, because of which button on the mouse you press.
[03:07] <reka> Mobius: why not just set it back to use the driver you want?
[03:07] <luminerd> Razor-X, 5.04, yea hoary.
[03:07] <Razor-X> luminerd: did the CD MD5SUM check out?
[03:07] <skalpel> nickrud: so this is like an app i can use?
[03:07] <luminerd> oh
[03:07] <reka> aceb747: well, i use mozilla personally.....same thing i guess.
[03:07] <luminerd> Razor-X, I never checked
[03:08] <luminerd> but I'm quite sure it was fine.
[03:08] <WebMaven> Any ideas on what to do about the audio?
[03:08] <nickrud> skalpel, no, nautilus provides both means of accessing your files; spacial is the default
[03:08] <aceb747> reka: yeah same thing with more features
[03:08] <Razor-X> luminerd: quite sure isn't always the same as ``sure sure''
[03:08] <luminerd> but maybe the problem is that when the aptitude was done I got "0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove, and 45 not upgraded"
[03:08] <direwolf> does anyone know if CONFIG_CRYPTO_ARC4 is enabled in ubuntu kernel?
[03:08] <Mobius> reka - once it gets to gdm, there is no visual - only sound
[03:08] <thoreauputic> WebMaven: try running alsamixer in a terminal to adjust things
[03:08] <Razor-X> luminerd: oh wait, hmm, I see
[03:08] <Razor-X> Razor-X: you know how to surf the web in a terminal, right?
[03:09] <deprave_> what's a good util for managing hard drive partitions etc
[03:09] <reka> Mobius: how'd you set t back?  hard-editing xorg.conf?
[03:09] <deprave_> do you talk to yourself often?
[03:09] <deprave_> haha
[03:09] <Razor-X> (right about now, i'ld get ratpoison, just for X without a mouse)
[03:09] <reka> *set it back
[03:09] <Razor-X> deprave_: qtparted
[03:09] <direwolf> qtparted
[03:09] <aceb747> deprave_:fdisk
[03:09] <Razor-X> aceb747: fdisk sucks
[03:09] <luminerd> Razor-X, I assume that was to me, yea, I know lynx.
[03:09] <deprave_> qtparted it is!
[03:09] <Razor-X> cfdisk is _much_ better
[03:09] <direwolf> hahaha
[03:09] <Razor-X> luminerd: great
[03:09] <luminerd> oh crap
[03:09] <luminerd> lynx isn't on here
[03:09] <WebMaven> what should the default sink and source be for audio in the Multimedia Systems Selector?
[03:09] <aceb747> fdisk works for me
[03:09] <Razor-X> luminerd: try installing it through aptitude
[03:10] <skalpel> nickrud: how do i use it?
[03:10] <luminerd> ok it's doin it
[03:10] <luminerd> it worked, Razor-X
[03:10] <nickrud> skalpel, too vague a question, what are you after
[03:10] <Razor-X> luminerd: great
[03:10] <Razor-X> start lynx
[03:10] <Razor-X> and then
[03:10] <Razor-X> !tell luminerd about repos
[03:10] <Mobius> reka, I reconfigured xorg, yeah
[03:10] <direwolf> wait!
[03:10] <Razor-X> there you are
[03:10] <Razor-X> I hope that doesen't use synaptic though
[03:10] <deprave_> when i throw this other hard drive on the ide cable and boot up as long as jumpers are set correctly will the boot manager ask me what do boot to or do the hard drives have to be in a certain order?
[03:11] <Mobius> reka, I could switch to a console with alt ctrl f1
[03:11] <direwolf> CONFIG_CRYPTO_ARC4 needs to be enabled for wep, correct?
[03:11] <Razor-X> if it does, simply add it to your sources.list (as you should know how to do)
[03:11] <Razor-X> Mobius: Ctrl+Alt+F1
[03:11] <cefx> Anyone here have the pak0.pk3 file?
[03:11] <direwolf> im thinking i should try insmodding these
[03:11] <Mobius> I know Razor-X
[03:11] <cefx> If you have the quake3 pak0.pk3 file speak up :P
[03:11] <Razor-X> cefx: Warez doesen't belong here
[03:11] <skalpel> nickrud:i am curious about this spatial concept of gnome. i do not even know if i am currently using it. is this something you define by the settings you use in your file browser?
[03:11] <luminerd> Razor-X, how the crap will that help me, I don't have a mouse -_-
[03:12] <Razor-X> luminerd: so you can get gpm
[03:12] <reka> Mobius: er, there's a difference b/n reconfiguring and hard editing...to me at least
[03:12] <Razor-X> pshhh, you people are too reliant on mice ;)
[03:12] <benkong2> anybody familiar with this error? E: /var/cache/apt/archives/firefox-gnome-support_1.0.6-1ubuntu1~5.04ubp1_i386.deb:  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/components/libmozgnome.so', which is also in package mozilla-firefox-gnome-support
[03:12] <luminerd> Razor-X, yea but I don't have a mouse...
[03:12] <luminerd> I can't do any of that
[03:12] <WebMaven> The mixer I can switch between ALSA and OSS, with no effect.
[03:12] <reka> Mobius: you mean you ran this: 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'?
[03:12] <Razor-X> luminerd: can't you add the repos into sources.list?
[03:12] <Mobius> reka, sorry, my mistake - no i didnt edit xorg.conf
[03:12] <luminerd> give me commands to run, that's fine, but don't tell me to use X because there's no possible way.
[03:12] <direwolf> im gonna go for it, for sure
[03:12] <Mobius> reka, yes
[03:12] <Razor-X> luminerd: ... you have done that, right?
[03:13] <luminerd> Razor-X, I haven't done anything.
[03:13] <reka> Mobius: ah, ok then......not sure sorry.  that was my only idea.
[03:13] <luminerd> I just got the system "up" and the only things I've done are what you told me, as well as an od.
[03:13] <Mobius> reka, I had to flash my BIOS so the wireless would work
[03:13] <direwolf> ok if im back fairly soon , either good or no change ....if not ill see you tomorrow
[03:13] <Razor-X> luminerd: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:13] <Mobius> reka, now im stuck with VESA =/
[03:13] <Razor-X> and add in the URLs into this file
[03:13] <WebMaven> In the Multimedia Systems Selector, only the ESD Output test succeeds.
[03:13] <luminerd> ok I'm there Razor-X
[03:14] <nickrud> skalpel, if you are using a standard ubuntu install, you are using spacial, unless you go to System->Preferences->File Management tab Behavior and click always open in browser windows
[03:14] <luminerd> oh
[03:14] <Razor-X> luminerd: add it in, basically
[03:14] <skalpel> nickrud: which would do what?
[03:14] <nickrud> skalpel, try it, it won't break anything
[03:14] <luminerd> Razor-X, add what in?
[03:14] <skalpel> k
[03:14] <reka> WebMaven: for me: default sink: esd, default source: oss
[03:14] <Razor-X> luminerd: the URLs of the extra repos
[03:15] <reka> WebMaven: try apps > sound/video > vol. control
[03:15] <WebMaven> reka: those are my defaults too.
[03:15] <luminerd> Razor-X, what urls?
[03:15] <skalpel> nickrud: i think you and i use windows the same way, i always set window to do that, and so x will be no different
[03:15] <Razor-X> luminerd: *sigh* hold on
[03:15] <reka> WebMaven: and seeing if any levels are max in there
[03:15] <nickrud> skalpel, and, I never set it that way :)
[03:15] <skalpel> nickrud: i still do not see any way to use nautilus to write discs though
[03:15] <Razor-X> luminerd: add these lines in
[03:15] <luminerd> Razor-X, I'm sorry but I don't see how I could know these lol
[03:15] <Razor-X> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[03:15] <Razor-X> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[03:15] <luminerd> Razor-X, top or bottom?
[03:16] <Razor-X> bottom...
[03:16] <luminerd> OOOH! those! lol sorry
[03:16] <nickrud> skalpel, hit alt-f2, enter nautilus burn:
[03:16] <Razor-X> hahahaha
[03:16] <CurtinDaVern> Hi there, I have recently tried Linspire but I am unable to get my WiFi card working could someone be kind enough to let me know if it would be possible to work under Ubuntu?
[03:16] <DeancoLinux> Hello, how do I install mplayer.  It mentions about dependences not right...
[03:16] <nickrud> drag files from you browser
[03:16] <luminerd> Razor-X, should I uncomment the ones already theree?
[03:16] <WebMaven> reka: that just brings up the same volume control I get from the panel control.
[03:16] <Razor-X> luminerd: if they're there, go ahead
[03:16] <kaffeend> does anyone know how to change screen refresh rate plz? Mine is stuck on 60 hz and I'm nearly having seizures here!
[03:16] <Razor-X> DeancoLinux: how did you install MPlayer?
[03:16] <WebMaven> reka: It doesn't have any effect.
[03:16] <luminerd> Razor-X, ok, done, now I do the sudo aptitude install gpm?
[03:16] <Razor-X> !tell kaffeend about resolution
[03:16] <reka> WebMaven: er, are you using alsa?
[03:16] <nickrud> slow, I am
[03:17] <Razor-X> this details resolution, but should explain that too
[03:17] <Razor-X> luminerd: not yet
[03:17] <Razor-X> luminerd: sudo aptitude update
[03:17] <skalpel> nickrud: could not find /home/burn, try again
[03:17] <WebMaven> reka: How would I tell?
[03:17] <reka> kaffeend: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:17] <Razor-X> _then_ sudo aptitude install gpm
[03:17] <WebMaven> Hmm.
[03:17] <reka> WebMaven: nvm, probably not. :)
[03:17] <nickrud> skalpel, you're making this much too hard.
[03:17] <aceb747> CurtinDaVern: your wifi would work if there is a module for it in the kernel.... u might want to try compiling a 2.6.10 kernel
[03:17] <DeancoLinux> it won't let me I'm trying to install it thru syntic...
[03:17] <skalpel> nickrud: i got it now.
[03:17] <luminerd> Razor-X, ok one sec
[03:17] <CurtinDaVern> aceb747:  could I pm you please?
[03:17] <WebMaven> reka: the PCM level is maxed, and won't budge.
[03:17] <skalpel> nickrud: taht is what i wanted, a disc folder on the tree so i could drag n drop.
[03:17] <luminerd> Razor-X, save to sources.list right?
[03:17] <kaffeend> thanks guys
[03:17] <Razor-X> of course
[03:17] <aceb747> CurtinDaVern: sure
[03:18] <skalpel> nickrud: why did it not give me that when i typed burn: in the address window?
[03:18] <reka> WebMaven: interesting...that's probably it then
[03:18] <luminerd> ok it did it, Razor-X
[03:18] <nickrud> skalpel, I don't know, I don't write the software, just work with it :)
[03:18] <Razor-X> luminerd: now try ``dpkg-reconfigure gpm''
[03:18] <luminerd> ok
[03:18] <spola> i would like to associate an icon to .nb files, how do i do that?
[03:18] <WebMaven> reka: ok, I can drag it down to zero, but nowhere in between.
[03:18] <DeancoLinux> Razor-x: any ideas?
[03:18] <thoreauputic> skalpel: burn:/// or something like that (I never use nautilus if I can help it)
[03:18] <luminerd> Razor-X, package 'gpm
[03:19] <angryfix> andy_: all the possible resolutions are listed in xorg.conf, but when i go to System->Prefs->Resolution, I can only choose 680x480
[03:19] <reka> WebMaven: try clicking on it, then using the down/up arrows
[03:19] <lJlolel> ok, so i reinstalled firefox and java, jre is there, symlink  is there.. firefox doesn't see the plugin ?!
[03:19] <luminerd> Razor-X, is not installed and no info is available
[03:19] <reka> angryfix: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:19] <Razor-X> DeancoLinux: why doesen't it install through synaptic?
[03:19] <Razor-X> you can't find it?
[03:19] <angryfix> reka: thanks, I'll try that
[03:19] <WebMaven> reka: no, it just sort of jiggles in place, something is maxing it even as I try to move it down.
[03:19] <DeancoLinux> It says something like Depends: libvorbis0a (>= 1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1 is to be installed
[03:19] <skalpel> nickrud: how do i change the way nautilus sorts my files? can i have it sort music by album name, like in xp?
[03:20] <Razor-X> DeancoLinux: ahhh
[03:20] <nickrud> skalpel, probably not
[03:20] <Razor-X> DeancoLinux: try adding backports
[03:20] <Razor-X> !backports
[03:20] <ubotu> I heard backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[03:20] <Razor-X> there you are
[03:20] <gpd> is the java plugin from sun reliable in firefox or is it just me?
[03:20] <skalpel> nickrud: ah, something xp has over x
[03:20] <skalpel> what a pity
[03:20] <DeancoLinux> How do I do that, I'm a noob...
[03:20] <luminerd> Razor-X, was that to me?
[03:20] <WebMaven> reka: what should  try next?
[03:21] <luminerd> Razor-X, what should I do since it can't find package gpm
[03:21] <f_newton> skalpel, another thing windows has over linux is a 56 billion dollar a year budget
[03:21] <WebMaven> reka?
[03:21] <thoreauputic> skalpel: just a different philosophy - the music apps do the sorting for you (rhythmbox, amarok for example)
[03:21] <lJlolel> have you heard of anyone else having this problem?
[03:21] <Razor-X> luminerd: /usr/sbin/gpm
[03:21] <glick> hey how can i find out which version of pygtk2 is available in the repose
[03:21] <reka> WebMaven: try this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[03:21] <nickrud> DeancoLinux, that error is most likely caused by an incompatible repository in sources.list
[03:22] <luminerd> Razor-X, no such file or dir.
[03:22] <Razor-X> luminerd: did aptitude install gpm?
[03:22] <reka> WebMaven: once you've done all that, change the device in vol.control to the ALSA one, and then see if changing the volumes there changes anything
[03:22] <skalpel> thoreaputic: yeah but if i am going to write a disc in nautilus i want to be able to sort out the albums. this is a data disc that will hopefully be read my a walkman that plays mp3's
[03:22] <WebMaven> reka: is all that really necessary?
[03:22] <f_newton> luminerd have you sudo apt-get install gpm?
[03:23] <skalpel> thoreaputic: how would i mention something like this to the ubuntu dev team?
[03:23] <Chadwill> what window manager must  have to get  say..clock calendar  disk/cpu/ram usage and a launch bar on the bottom of my screen?
[03:23] <catolh> is there a working "xmms-info" script for x-chat out there? i've looked all over the place but with no luck..
[03:23] <luminerd> Razor-X, lscd in #kubuntu says gpm won't help since I'm not getting data from the mouse anyway
[03:23] <reka> WebMaven: probably not....but i use that to get sound the way i like it.....feel free to try something else.  i'm not much of a sound guru
[03:23] <f_newton> and this is a ps2 mouse?
[03:23] <luminerd> f_newton, no, lol
[03:23] <thoreauputic> skalpel: i believe you'll be able to burn CDs directly from rhythmbox in breezy (you can already do it from konqueror or amarok using k3b)
[03:24] <skalpel> yes but i do not use kde
[03:24] <reka> glick: what's the full package name?
[03:24] <Razor-X> luminerd: hmmm.....
[03:24] <skalpel> i guess i will definately have to install breezy when it comes out then.
[03:24] <luminerd> Razor-X, yea, but before I updated all this
[03:24] <f_newton> luminerd did you unplug the mouse while the machine is powered up?
[03:24] <luminerd> should I do it again Razor-X ?
[03:24] <luminerd> f_newton, no, plus I rebooted anyway so that would've fixed it
[03:24] <WebMaven> reka: I'll give it a shot.
[03:24] <thoreauputic> skalpel: well, hopefully in October this won't be  an issue in gnome either
[03:24] <f_newton> no if you unplugged a ps2 connection while system on you could have fried the i/o
[03:24] <Razor-X> luminerd: try reinstalling
[03:25] <Razor-X> f_newton: it works fine in Windows
[03:25] <skalpel> thoreaputic: how can i send an email to the dev team about things i would like to see added/changed?
[03:25] <skalpel> or is this something that would be mentioned to the gnome team?
[03:25] <reka> WebMaven: righto...if you're still having problems, come back here and ask crimsun when he's active....he's the sound-guy.
[03:25] <f_newton> Razor-X, has he reconfigured his xorg yet?
[03:25] <skalpel> i thought it was a very handy feature i windows and i miss it here in X
[03:25] <thoreauputic> skalpel: it will be a simple change in source names, and an apt-get dist-upgrade...
[03:25] <f_newton> tried to manually install the mouse?
[03:26] <Chadwill> by  launch bar  mean like in os-x
[03:26] <thoreauputic> skalpel: you can put in a wish-list bug on bugzilla
[03:26] <luminerd> Razor-X, I tried sudo aptitude install gpm, and I got a big list of options and a "this aptitude does not have super cow powers"
[03:26] <Razor-X> luminerd: did you spell it right?
[03:26] <Razor-X> ``install'' I mean
[03:26] <thoreauputic> luminerd: heheh - type apt-get moo in a terminal :)
[03:27] <Razor-X> f_newton: not just yet
[03:27] <luminerd> Razor-X, yea, lol
[03:27] <skalpel> thoreaputic: upgrading to breezy sounds like it will be very easy, i <3 aptitude
[03:27] <Razor-X> luminerd: try apt-get instead of aptitude then
[03:27] <luminerd> thoreauputic, serious?
[03:27] <f_newton> Razor-X, thats the first thing I would have done myself...but.... I gotta run n chat wif my gf...bye
[03:27] <thoreauputic> luminerd: yes - try it :)
[03:27] <thoreauputic> apt-get moo
[03:27] <luminerd> lol!
[03:27] <thoreauputic> :D
[03:28] <thoreauputic> super cow powers!!
[03:28] <lJlolel> i'll try the freesdk
[03:28] <bimberi> now try "aptitude moo"
[03:28] <Chadwill> ..
[03:28] <WebMaven> reka, the howto has an ambiguous instraction.
[03:28] <chillywilly> heh...
[03:29] <lJlolel> hahahah
[03:29] <WebMaven> step 4 has code, but now direction as to where to put it.
[03:29] <bimberi> then "aptitude -v moo"
[03:29] <Chadwill> fresh install of ubuntu dont lok good..where do i get themes and stuff..?
[03:29] <lJlolel> lollll
[03:29] <bimberi> then "aptitude -v -v moo" (and so on)
[03:29] <gpd> pjirc chat windows seem to crash firefox :( but other java sites work
[03:29] <thoreauputic> bimberi: hahaha
[03:29] <catolh> can i make x-chat run a cmd in console? "bash"
[03:29] <thoreauputic> bimberi: good one!
[03:30] <reka> WebMaven: you type that in a terminal
[03:30] <reka> WebMaven: it's a command
[03:30] <bimberi> thoreauputic: :)
[03:30] <luminerd> oh god.
[03:31] <reka> Chadwill:
[03:31] <reka> !themes
[03:31] <ubotu> well, themes is http://art.gnome.org - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/
[03:31] <luminerd> my frickin ex gf called.
[03:31] <thoreauputic> bimberi: really funny - if you do 4 -v s it gets even funnier :D
[03:31] <black13> luminerd kick her to the curb
[03:31] <shammy> I need to get the 2.6.10 kernel source for installing ndiswrapper, is there any way to get it off the install disc with synaptic?
[03:31] <WebMaven> reka: oh, I see. I was opening that by using the Multimedia System Selector menu option.
[03:32] <bimberi> thoreauputic: yes lol - it stops after 6
[03:32] <black13> where do i find the source debian packages?
[03:32] <black13> scuse me ubuntu
[03:32] <bimberi> black13: with deb-src lines in your sources.list
[03:32] <nomasteryoda> black13, like to download or on your system?
[03:33] <thoreauputic> bimberi: didn't know about this one - thanks -made my day! :D
[03:33] <black13> yest to download
[03:33] <bimberi> thoreauputic: :)
[03:33] <black13> bimberi thanks
[03:33] <black13> bimberi duh
[03:33] <skalpel> how do i change my splash screen in gnome?
[03:34] <transgress> bored command of the day:  cal 9 1752
[03:34] <bimberi> thoreauputic: for even more 'fun' install "cowsay" :)
[03:34] <thoreauputic> bimberi: OK - you  twisted my arm heheh
[03:34] <nomasteryoda> black13, if you want to search them, you can just go online and use one of those mirrors from sources.list  .. or .. sudo apt-cache search packagename
[03:35] <nomasteryoda> lol
[03:35] <nomasteryoda> cowsay
[03:35] <spola> where in ubuntu do you change what icon get's used for what application? (eg .php files use a special icon, i want to do that for other extensions aswell)
[03:35] <nomasteryoda> and bouncing cows...  good together
[03:35] <nomasteryoda> spola, depends on the theme
[03:35] <nomasteryoda> that Gnome is using...
[03:36] <flugh> skalpel, i'd go to art.gnome.org, download a splashscreen theme, then read the README in it. probably an easier way, but i dont know it offhand
[03:36] <skalpel> i know there is a very easy way because someone in this channel told me once before.
[03:36] <skalpel> i think it was in config editor but i cannot find it now
[03:36] <Xenguy> Ubuntu's Firefox seems to default to opening text files with 'gedit'; how can I convince FF to open text files with a different editor?
[03:36] <black13> nomasteryoda
[03:36] <reka> spola: try this: right-click on file with extension you want to change> properties > select custom icon...
[03:36] <nomasteryoda> black13, yes?
[03:36] <flugh> skalpel, or there's maybe some docs on the art.gnome.org site that explain it. i'm all for making stuff complicated though, so i hit the docs first :)
[03:37] <bimberi> skalpel: System -> Administration -> Login Screen Setup -> Graphical greeter tab
[03:37] <BIGDADDY> url to ubuntu in spanish is #ubuntu_es ?
[03:37] <flugh> bimberi, well, if you want to do it the easy way ;p
[03:37] <nomasteryoda> !es
[03:37] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[03:37] <lJlolel> can icreate a .deb file?
[03:37] <spola> reka: does that work for all files or just that one?
[03:37] <black13> nomasteryoda sorry i was buffering you name so i could respond later
[03:37] <bimberi> flugh: :P
[03:37] <nomasteryoda> black13, np
[03:38] <reka> spola: honestly, not sure.....one way of finding out. :)
[03:38] <nomasteryoda> yeah... u botu works
[03:38] <nomasteryoda> google
[03:38] <black13> nomasteryoda i found the org.tar file i am trying to figreout why xorg on the embedded system i am working on isnt working
[03:38] <nomasteryoda> ah, ok
[03:38] <flugh> crap. i left my thumbdrive at work. now i gotta burn about 100Kb to a cd-r
[03:38] <black13> nomasteryoda use the force ... read the source
[03:38] <thoreauputic> lJlolel: sure -several ways: ranging from the simle to the canonical Debian method
[03:38] <gpd> is it safer to install the rpm or the self-extracting java from sun?
[03:38] <nickrud> skalpel, thanks, a non philosophical question :) apps/gnome-session/options/splash_image
[03:38] <thoreauputic> *simple
[03:38] <nomasteryoda> black13, man you are into it
[03:38] <nomasteryoda> =)
[03:39] <skalpel> nickrud: awesome, thank you
[03:39] <Xenguy> !java
[03:39] <ubotu> rumour has it, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[03:39] <spola> nah it doesn't seem to work
[03:39] <reka> flugh: why not just email it? :-/
[03:39] <gpd> Xenguy: yeah, those sun java files are busted...
[03:39] <flugh> reka: i live in the only area of the usa without internet access. well, no broadband, and i aint doin' AOL
[03:39] <thoreauputic> flugh: floppies are sometimes still useful...
[03:39] <flugh> there's dsl across the street
[03:39] <skalpel> nickrud: actually i cannot find 'gnome session' anywwhere in my gnome menu
[03:39] <reka> thoreauputic: bout to say that. :)
[03:40] <flugh> no floppy on the box at work (eMachine, floppiless model)
[03:40] <lJlolel> spola, it doesn't work for me either
[03:40] <skalpel> nickrud: oh you mean in config editor, k thank you
[03:40] <nickrud> skalpel, in gconf-editor, you mentioned it
[03:40] <nomasteryoda> gpd, sshhh, i did my java via directions on ubuntu guide.org
[03:40] <nomasteryoda> flugh, uggh
[03:40] <Snufj> it all scrolls so fast here but i am able to learn a bit though :)
[03:40] <thoreauputic> flugh: why not just email it to yourself?
[03:40] <WebMaven> reka: well, sound still works. but the volume control still doesn't.
[03:40] <flugh> no biggie. maybe i can pad my data with some pr0n or mp3s. need reading material for lunch you know
[03:40] <Xenguy> 2nd try: Ubuntu's Firefox seems to default to opening text files with 'gedit'; how can I convince FF to open text files with a different editor?
[03:41] <nomasteryoda> flugh, lol
[03:41] <gpd> nomasteryoda: http://www.pjirc.com/demo.php can you run pjirc ?
[03:41] <nomasteryoda> we'll see
[03:41] <flugh> thoreauputic, no internet at work
[03:41] <reka> WebMaven: type 'alsamixer' in a terminal....you need to look at 'MASTER' and 'PCM'
[03:41] <WebMaven> ok.
[03:42] <reka> flugh: *chuckle*  that's the way. :)
[03:42] <WebMaven> what am I looking for?
[03:42] <reka> WebMaven: the volume levels
[03:42] <skalpel> what does anyone haveto say about building in scsi emulation for cdrw drives?
[03:42] <reka> WebMaven: 'MASTER' and 'PCM'
[03:42] <reka> WebMaven: try changing them there
[03:42] <thoreauputic> flugh: a quill pen and a nice sheet of acid free parchment then ;-)
[03:42] <WebMaven> PCM is 0
[03:42] <nomasteryoda> gpd, yea... looks fine on my suse box ...  =)
[03:43] <WebMaven> Master is 35
[03:43] <nomasteryoda> gpd, give sec and i'll check on the new ubuntu box
[03:43] <gpd> nomasteryoda: mmm... must be my chip, I'm using the k7 kernel on a k8
[03:43] <t0mmy> ugh... i need a new wallpaper :D
[03:43] <flugh> i'll tell the boss ' i used stenography to hide your secret data in this pr0n. i'm not really looking at their skin, i'm really working... these are not the pics you are looking for. move along'
[03:43] <reka> WebMaven: and you still have full volume?
[03:43] <nomasteryoda> gpd, could be
[03:43] <gpd> nomasteryoda: the error log references /lib/tls so very likely
[03:43] <nomasteryoda> sense that makes
[03:44] <WebMaven> reka, yes.
[03:44] <reka> WebMaven: do you mean system sounds?  or a certain app?
[03:44] <rover_dan> anyone tried using the Acrobat Rreader 7 in Breezy? my reader wasn't startup , and there wasn't any error msg. any idea?
[03:44] <nickrud> Razor-X, I meant to ask, how was exim?
[03:44] <WebMaven> reka: Master I can increase or decrease without any change to the volume.
[03:44] <WebMaven> reka: PCM can't be changed.
[03:44] <nickrud> or did you try it?
[03:45] <nomasteryoda> rover_dan, er, have same issue with suse, ubuntu hoary/breezy... maybe defective reader?
[03:45] <reka> WebMaven: strange
[03:45] <reka> WebMaven: but do you mean system sounds?  or a certain app?
[03:46] <nomasteryoda> but my kpdf works fine
[03:46] <nomasteryoda> =)
[03:46] <gpd> kernel of choice for AMD64 in 32bit mode anyone?  k7 obviously not good...
[03:46] <rover_dan> nomasteryoda,  it's okey in hoary, and evince works fine.
[03:46] <grigora> hi, could someone tell me how I can get foreign characters (Armenian) to show up in OpenOffice. I set up the keyboard layout and was able to type in the test box correctly, however when I do the same in OO, I get gibberish, thanks
[03:46] <WebMaven> reka: Hmm. I just noticed that Master says it's off, regardless of the volume.
[03:46] <Veon> Anyone know what the Norwegian Ubuntu channel is called?
[03:47] <reka> speaking of PDFs, anyone know of a reader than can add sticky notes to pages?  (would be useful for lectures)
[03:47] <thoreauputic> WebMaven: look for mm and hit m to unmute a channel
[03:47] <WebMaven> reka: the system sounds are at full volume, apps that have their own volume control can of course be lowered.
[03:47] <nomasteryoda> rover_dan, cool
[03:48] <reka> grigora: er, perhaps install the armenian language support package for OO?
[03:48] <snackalot> someone tell me witch lib to play mp3 with music player
[03:48] <bingobango> snackalot: i would like to know as well
[03:48] <WebMaven> thoreauputic: unmuting the Master channel had no effect.
[03:49] <thoreauputic> Veon: usually it's #ubuntu-(country code) - like #ubuntu-dk
[03:49] <grigora> reka: thanks, but what exactly is it? do you have a package name?
[03:49] <bingobango> snackalot: are you able to play other music file types?
[03:49] <black13> whenever i startx i can see the hash pattern displayed then x11 dies and i get the error "The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkeycomp) reports: Error: Cannot open "compiled/server-0.xkm" to write keyboard description
[03:49] <snackalot> yes
[03:49] <snackalot> ogg
[03:50] <Veon> Ok, thnx!
[03:50] <snackalot> wav
[03:50] <bingobango> snackalot: i have installed libmad0, libmad0-dev, libmpeg3-1
[03:50] <thoreauputic> snackalot: install gstreamer0.8-mad for totem and rhythmbox
[03:50] <bingobango> snackalot but still no mp3
[03:50] <WebMaven> reka, thoreauputic: hah! muting the PCM channel turns it off, even though the volume can't be adjusted.
[03:50] <bimberi> snackalot: try gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:50] <reka> grigora: er, excuse my ignorance, but what's your language called?  i can't find armenian
[03:50] <Veon> Oh, didn't work
[03:50] <WebMaven> what do I try next?
[03:50] <snackalot> had the dam thing working befor just forgot witch one it is
[03:50] <bimberi> oops - too fast thoreauputic :)
[03:51] <skalpel> does anyone have any advice on adding scsi emulation to my cd-rw drive to be able to write files correctly?
[03:51] <skalpel> which it is not doing on it's own
[03:51] <reka> WebMaven: *cough*  do you have a volume knob on your speakers? :P
[03:51] <nomasteryoda> black13, locked file?
[03:51] <skalpel> someone told me the linux atapi drivers are shitty
[03:51] <nomasteryoda> black13, permissions ?
[03:51] <WebMaven> reka: I'm using headphones, so no.
[03:51] <bingobango> bimberi: i get ** Message: don't know how to handle application/x-id3 when trying to play mp3 on totem
[03:51] <snackalot> thanks thoreauputic wow what a name to type
[03:51] <toresbe> thoreauputic: cool!
[03:51] <toresbe> thoreauputic: what model?
[03:52] <black13> nomasteryoda which file?
[03:52] <toresbe> thoreauputic: Mine is a /73, and I'm struggling with it atm
[03:52] <bingobango> thoreauputic: i have gstreamer installed, but no success playing mp3s with totem
[03:52] <Veon> thoreauputic, it worked, thank you.
[03:52] <toresbe> thoreauputic: Debugging ASM code in 211BSD
[03:52] <reka> bingobango: totem doesn't have mp3 support by default iirc
[03:52] <thoreauputic> toresbe: heheh - the well-known Virtual Imaginary model mkIV
[03:52] <grigora> reka: it's called Armenina
[03:52] <reka> !restricted
[03:52] <ubotu> methinks restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:52] <bimberi> bingobango: got me there
[03:52] <grigora> reka: typo: Armenian
[03:53] <toresbe> thoreauputic: Actually, the MK-4 is a Soviet clone :)
[03:53] <black13> nomasteryoda server-0.xkm?
[03:53] <bingobango> reka: yep.  i think you're right.  but thoreauputic was saying that by installing gstreamer, it would be able to do so.
[03:53] <WebMaven> reka: the problem is that I can adjust the audio for music in an app, but can't adjust the volume of the system sounds. they are painfully loud when the go off.
[03:53] <thoreauputic> bingobango: gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:53] <thoreauputic> bingobango: not just "gstreamer"
[03:53] <toresbe> thoreauputic: But LTNS :)
[03:53] <reka> grigora: *nod*  sorry, not sure... i can't find an armenian package when i 'apt-cache search openoffice language'
[03:54] <bddebian> Howdy folks
[03:54] <nomasteryoda> black13, well it would indicate the path to the server-0.xkm is incorrect?
[03:54] <reka> grigora: try searching the forums/wiki/googling
[03:54] <bingobango> thoreauputic: i don't see gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:54] <bingobango> thoreauputic: in synaptic
[03:54] <skalpel> does anyone have any problems with small chirps and bleeps from the sound system when playing music files in rhythymbox?
[03:54] <reka> grigora: unless someone else who has installed language support in OO can help
[03:54] <felesh> hi
[03:54] <thoreauputic> !info gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:54] <felesh> where is modconf in ubuntu?
[03:54] <ubotu> gstreamer0.8-mad: (MAD MPEG audio decoder plugin for GStreamer), section universe/libs, is optional. Version: 0.8.8-1ubuntu4 (hoary), Packaged size: 49 kB, Installed size: 136 kB
[03:54] <bddebian> Hello felesh
[03:54] <skalpel> maybe something to do with buffering?
[03:54] <bimberi> !info gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:54] <reka> bingobango: thoreauputic just posted the package you need
[03:54] <thoreauputic> bingobango: in universe
[03:55] <thoreauputic> !repos
[03:55] <ubotu> methinks repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[03:55] <snackalot> hay that did not work
[03:55] <black13> nomasteryoda funny there are no files *.xkm
[03:55] <nomasteryoda> looking
[03:55] <reka> WebMaven: hmm, very strange
[03:55] <black13> nomasteryoda waiting for source navigator to cross reference all of xorg
[03:55] <bingobango> reka: sorry i'm new to packages... how do i get that pkg thoreau posted?
[03:55] <bimberi> thoreauputic: irc on a pdp-11 - Impressive! ;)
[03:55] <nomasteryoda> black13, bug reference .. http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=1155&tstart=0
[03:55] <bddebian> felesh: There is a modconf package
[03:55] <shammy> can I get my kerner source through synaptic?
[03:55] <toresbe> bimberi: Hell, I've done that :)
[03:55] <grigora> reka: thanks for trying
[03:55] <reka> WebMaven: what really puzzles me is your master volume was muted yet you heard sound
[03:56] <thoreauputic> bingobango: that's what the !repos URL tells you
[03:56] <felesh> bddebian, no
[03:56] <bingobango> !repos
[03:56] <felesh> i need load a module and ubuntu haven't modconf, i may to use insmod but i dont know the name of all the modules... where are modconf in ubuntu?
[03:56] <ubotu> somebody said repos was at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[03:56] <reka> bingobango: thoreauputic posted the solution to that too. :)
[03:56] <Veon> How do people, like, save their nickname in IRC?
[03:56] <bddebian> felesh: In universe
[03:56] <WebMaven> reka: puzzles me too.
[03:56] <reka> Veon: x-chat > server list
[03:56] <toresbe> Veon: /set nick loogoofoo
[03:56] <black13> nomasteryoda yep that sounds right i am using squashfs mounted readonly file system
[03:56] <thoreauputic> Veon:  /msg nickserv help
[03:56] <nomasteryoda> yea
[03:56] <reka> or that. :)
[03:56] <felesh> bddebian, not in hoary at last
[03:57] <thoreauputic> Veon: ah, I misunderstood maybe
[03:57] <Veon> Ok, thanx, guys! I'll try it ;)
[03:57] <PurpleMotion> if only there were a graphics application for linux that came within a mile of fireworks *sigh*
[03:57] <bddebian> Gah, I really have to set up a hoary box
[03:57] <reka> WebMaven: try searching the forums
[03:57] <reka> WebMaven: if nothing, like i said, ask crimsun when he's active
[03:57] <nomasteryoda> black13, but it should not be writing to that folder anyway... '/var would be correct... like the post says...which should work via ramdrive
[03:57] <reka> PurpleMotion: there's a fireworks screensaver. :P
[03:57] <supernix> hey anyone happen to know the pixels common for a banner that would be at the top of a page ?
[03:57] <whitefang> is blackbox the default ubuntu wm?
[03:58] <reka> whitefang: no, gnome is
[03:58] <whitefang> or is it that new light weight blackbox?
[03:58] <socomm> whitefang: No, metacity.
[03:58] <thoreauputic> whitefang: erm - no
[03:58] <whitefang> metacity is a light blackbox isn't it?
[03:58] <thoreauputic> whitefang: no
[03:58] <whitefang> it looks like blackbox
[03:58] <socomm> whitefang: Nope.
[03:58] <thoreauputic> whitefang: it isn't
[03:58] <huttan> hello, does anyone know how to tell a wireless network card to lock on to a specific wireless network at bootup, and not scan and try the one with the best signal?
[03:58] <socomm> Metacity looks nothing like blackbox.
[03:59] <nomasteryoda> black13, look at this post... might help http://tinyurl.com/8u7ot
[03:59] <luminerd> Razor-X, you still around?
[03:59] <supernix> hey anyone happen to know the pixels common for a banner that would be at the top of a page ? anyone ??????
[03:59] <whitefang> they copied blackbox then.
[03:59] <socomm> whitefang: No ....
[03:59] <supernix> actually the size in pixels is what I am looking for ?
[03:59] <whitefang> does ubuntu update the linux kernel regularily? or do i have to wait for the next release?
[03:59] <thoreauputic> supernix: your question is triumphantly unclear
[03:59] <niran> huttan, system > administration > networking
[03:59] <nomasteryoda> supernix, like a standard size?
[03:59] <supernix> yes
[04:00] <nomasteryoda> ah, let me look
[04:00] <niran> huttan, click the wireless card, preferences, and enter the essid
[04:00] <socomm> whitefang: The kernel is updated periodically, and when *major* bugs arise.
[04:00] <huttan> niran, I did set the right essid, still it tries to connect to another network according to my syslog
[04:00] <nomasteryoda> supernix, try google for ..  standard web banner dimensions
[04:00] <niran> huttan, weird.
[04:01] <huttan> niran, indeed
[04:01] <supernix> ok ty thought someone might know off the top of thier head
[04:01] <niran> huttan, at a terminal, type cat /etc/network/interfaces
[04:01] <nomasteryoda> 350x300 or 720x300
[04:01] <nomasteryoda> or 468x60
[04:01] <niran> and make sure it has your essid there in a reasonable place
[04:01] <nomasteryoda> supernix, #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:01] <nomasteryoda> or #gimp
[04:01] <huttan> niran, wireless-essid is in there
[04:02] <Veon> thoreauputic, you were right ;) you didn't missunderstand :)
[04:02] <huttan> niran, maybe it shouldnt be at the bottom of the different things?
[04:02] <socomm> whitefang: http://blackboxwm.sourceforge.net/AboutBlackbox read more about blackbox there.
[04:02] <thoreauputic> Veon: ah, nice to know my brain hasn't totally atrophied ;)
[04:02] <niran> huttan, it shouldn't matter as long as other essids aren't listed as well
[04:03] <grigora> does anyone know why I cannot find xfonts-efont-unicode? it shows up on packages.ubuntu.com, but apt-cache search does not find anything
[04:03] <huttan> niran, it's only one
[04:03] <whitefang> how do i configure what services are started?
[04:03] <nomasteryoda> !xfonts
[04:03] <ubotu> nomasteryoda: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[04:03] <reka> grigora: it's in universe
[04:03] <reka> !repos
[04:03] <Razor-X> what's the command to see the debs available at a certan sources.list URL?
[04:03] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:03] <ubotu> it has been said that repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[04:03] <whitefang> i see something that nmap calls ipp, i think it's the lan printing service and i want to disable it.
[04:04] <grigora> reka: what does that mean? I am very new to Ubuntu, so please bear with me
[04:04] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: if you want to know where a package originates, apt-cache policy <package>
[04:04] <avanspronsen> whitefang: I use BUM
[04:04] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: not where a package, but, I added a source, and I want to see the exact packages it offers
[04:04] <reka> grigora: you need to enable a certain repository the package is in
[04:05] <reka> grigora: by default, it's disabled
[04:05] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: the other way round probably invoves some fancy perl or something
[04:05] <bingobango> reka: and after you enable that repository, is the package automatically loaded?
[04:05] <reka> whitefang: install rcconf
[04:05] <Bryan29556> anyone know how to download your home movies off of a digital video camera
[04:05] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: although I think in synaptic you can browse by repo?
[04:05] <huttan> niran, sometimes when I start the puter up it works, sometimes not, it's really random
[04:06] <reka> bingobango: no.  you need to apt-get update/reload in synaptic to update your package list....it will then be found next time you search
[04:06] <grigora> reka: thanks
[04:06] <bingobango> reka: aha!  thanks.
[04:06] <reka> Bryan29556: plugging it in?
[04:06] <reka> usb i assume
[04:06] <Bryan29556> it is plugged in using a usb interface
[04:06] <strykewulf> hey guys
[04:06] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: gah, that means I have to use synaptic ;)
[04:06] <Bryan29556> yep
[04:07] <strykewulf> is there a way in apache to see the statistics of the website it is hosting
[04:07] <reka> Bryan29556: and nothing shows up?
[04:07] <linlin> ok ive added a new hard drive, it is on the first channel as slave.  how do i make it useable now ?
[04:07] <Bryan29556> nope
[04:07] <strykewulf> is there a way in apache to see the statistics of the website it is hosting
[04:07] <reka> Bryan29556: check sys > prefs > removable drve > multimedia tab
[04:07] <reka> enable importr when connected
[04:07] <reka> *import
[04:08] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: heh - ugly way would be to disable all the other sources, apt-get update and run dpkg -l | less
[04:08] <nickrud> thoreauputic, you really can get repos from synaptic ...., oh never mind :)
[04:08] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: but that's brain damaged ;)
[04:09] <abarbaccia> hey all - how do i grant a user access to the cdrom drives via the shell?
[04:09] <thoreauputic> nickrud: i think Razor-X has a philosophical objection to GUIs ;)
[04:09] <nickrud> thoreauputic, I've noticed
[04:09] <thoreauputic> nickrud: :)
[04:09] <bddebian> Heh
[04:10] <grigora> reka: I got Universe added and was able to install xfonts* packages, how do I now tell my system to use it? TIA
[04:10] <bddebian> abarbaccia: adduser <user> cdrom ?
[04:10] <black13> nomasteryoda so the genesis of the problem is that /usr is readonly and the tinyurl.com soluction is to create a symbolic link
[04:11] <bingobango> grigora: how do you add universe?
[04:11] <Chadwill> how can i use ctrl+c or v in terminal? now im using mouse to copy and paste
[04:11] <bddebian> Chadwill: Right click
[04:11] <bddebian> to paste
[04:11] <Chadwill> i know
[04:11] <bingobango> when i go to Settings->Repos, it lists a lot of hoary stuff, but no "universe"
[04:11] <Chadwill> can it not be done with ctrl?
[04:12] <bddebian> Chadwill: Not in a termina afaik
[04:12] <bddebian> +l
[04:12] <Chadwill> ok
[04:12] <grigora> bingobango: from the synaptic package manager -> Settings -> Repositories
[04:12] <gpd> Chadwill: in gnome terminal use shift-ctr-c
[04:12] <abarbaccia> i got it - thanks tho bddebian
[04:12] <nickrud> Chadwill, just selecting the text, then pressing the middle mouse button works more often than not
[04:12] <reka> grigora: good questio
[04:12] <bddebian> abarbaccia: ??
[04:12] <grigora> bingobango: then you click on Add
[04:12] <lJlolel> say i wanted to develop some java, what app would i use?
[04:12] <bingobango> grigora : aha!  thx mucho!
[04:13] <abarbaccia> bddebian, i kinda got it through the gui
[04:13] <reka> grigora: i'm not sure exactly....i've never had the need to install another language's fonts. sorry.
[04:13] <Bryan29556> ok, checked that, it sees to be in the default format
[04:13] <bddebian> abarbaccia: Ahh :-)
[04:13] <reka> grigora: but i'd assume they'd be installed/set-up for you automatically if you installed via apt-get/synaptic
[04:13] <thoreauputic> !javatrap
[04:13] <ubotu> javatrap is probably http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html
[04:14] <thoreauputic> couldn't resist...
[04:14] <skalpel> can someone tell me what this error means inside of archive manager? tar: .: Cannot utime: Operation not permitted
[04:14] <skalpel> tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
[04:14] <nickrud> a little philosophy never hurts anyone
[04:15] <bddebian> Free or not Java sucks :-)
[04:15] <Will_> I have to learn java at uni. It still sucks
[04:15] <nickrud> skalpel, are you trying to extract to a directory you don't have write permission to?
[04:15] <linlin> ok ive added a new hard drive, it is on the first channel as slave.  how do i make it useable now ?
[04:16] <skalpel> nickrud: possibly. i downloaded a .gzip file and when i tried to extract it the folder inside is named '.'
[04:16] <DekaPink> Is there a font for ubuntu logo? :3
[04:16] <bddebian> linlin: fdisk /dev/hdb ?
[04:16] <reka> linlin: i'm not sure of the exact process, but you probably have to make the filesystem and then mount it
[04:16] <linlin> okie
[04:16] <skalpel> how do i run a shell script?
[04:17] <linlin> ./script
[04:17] <reka> in the current dir
[04:17] <bddebian> skalpel: Depends on where you are running it from
[04:17] <Bryan29556> still no luck downloading these digital movies
[04:17] <gpd> skalpel: sh script is safer
[04:17] <reka> Bryan29556: you enabled auto-import?
[04:17] <lJlolel> is eclpise good?
[04:17] <thoreauputic> skalpel: linlin's command works if the script is executable ; if not use chmod +x to make it so before running it
[04:18] <gpd> skalpel: ./script requires +x
[04:18] <linlin> i have compltly removed my hard drive from my system and its still running...
[04:18] <thoreauputic> gpd right
[04:18] <reka> linlin: wow, free energy
[04:19] <Will_> free HDD space!
[04:19] <FlyingSquirrel32> I got my SCSI drives recognized on my new server. I'm at the partitioning step. How do I get the installer to use the 3 drives with RAID?
[04:19] <grigora> bingobango: welcome
[04:19] <Bryan29556> yep auto-import enabled
[04:19] <bddebian> FlyingSquirrel32: You need to use LVM
[04:20] <reka> Bryan29556: what camera?  try searching the forums for topics
[04:20] <FlyingSquirrel32> bddebian: is that on the ubuntu cd?
[04:20] <thoreauputic> time to sign off - good hunting to all ...
[04:20] <reka> later
[04:20] <bddebian> FlyingSquirrel32: To be honest, I don't know, sorry.  I always use hardware RAID if using RAID at all
[04:20] <bddebian> Later thorea... grr
[04:21] <pengo> how do i run sshd?
[04:21] <pengo> or install it
[04:21] <bddebian> pengo: If you apt-get install ssh, it will bring in sshd
[04:21] <pengo> thanks
[04:22] <gpd> pengo apt-get install openssh-server
[04:22] <Bryan29556> lookin in the wiki with no luck, doing a google now
[04:22] <FlyingSquirrel32> bddebian: I'm using an old compaq proliant. Its the first time Ive worked hands on with RAID and/or SCSI. How can I be sure the computer doen't provide hardware RAID?
[04:22] <FlyingSquirrel32> bddebian: I know the drives are hot-swappable-- ought to be RAID too, no?
[04:23] <PurpleMotion> i hate loading windows
[04:23] <gpd> PurpleMotion: what is left on windows partition that yuou need?
[04:23] <pengo> will moving my /cdrom drive hurt?
[04:23] <gpd> pengo: you mean the mount point or the physical drive?
[04:24] <pengo> mv /cdrom /cdrom2
[04:24] <PurpleMotion> gpd:  not on the windows partition, in windows itself :-\ it's a program called macromedia fireworks mx that absolutely refuses to run in wine :((
[04:24] <PurpleMotion> were it not for that, i would have deleted windows long ago
[04:24] <gpd> pengo: you will need to edit /etc/fstab to reflect the update
[04:24] <transgress> PurpleMotion: that's a bit much of something to try and run in wine... crossover office can handle it though
[04:25] <PurpleMotion> transgress:  it most certainly can not.
[04:25] <PurpleMotion> I bought cxoffice in hope of that very thing
[04:25] <pengo> gpd, ah /cdrom was just a symbolic link anyway.. cool
[04:25] <pengo> now /cdrom points to a loopback of ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso :)
[04:25] <transgress> PurpleMotion: well i know crossover handles flash and photoshop, might take some tweaking... iuno... i don't run windows shit
[04:25] <PurpleMotion> and cxoffice is nothing more than a wrapper for wine, so how's it a bit much? heh
[04:25] <PurpleMotion> yeah, fireworks does not run at all in wine
[04:26] <PurpleMotion> or cxoffice, trust me ive tried
[04:26] <PurpleMotion> been thinking cedega might be able to do it though.. but i dont think fireworks relies on directshow or directdraw
[04:26] <PurpleMotion> *shrug*
[04:26] <Nomad_1> Would anyone know how to access the MBR using WinXP Pro x64? (Weird question to be asking here I know but ... <spreads arms>)
[04:26] <PurpleMotion> I can always just boot up windows via vmware :D
[04:26] <Razor-X> mmmm, Ubuntu is sexy
[04:26] <Razor-X> errr, not Ubuntu
[04:27] <Razor-X> Enlightenment
[04:27] <socomm> Ubuntu is asexual.
[04:27] <transgress> Razor-X: what version?
[04:27] <Razor-X> transgress: DR17
[04:27] <kaffeend> Razor_X can I have that link to the wiki page that deals with screen refresh rates again please?
[04:27] <socomm> E17 is not a very practial WM.
[04:27] <Razor-X> !tell kaffeend about resolution
[04:28] <Razor-X> socomm: so?
[04:28] <Razor-X> and Gnome is? ;)
[04:28] <kaffeend> huh?
[04:28] <benplaut> hello everyone :)
[04:28] <nickrud> hm, asexual, I don't think :)
[04:28] <socomm> Razor-X: GNOM is a Desktop Environment.
[04:28] <socomm> s/GNOM/GNOME/
[04:28] <Chadwill> howdo i find out what PID xmms player has?
[04:28] <Razor-X> socomm: as Enlightenment is considered
[04:28] <kaffeend> all I get is the 60hz option
[04:28] <PurpleMotion> I'm going to reinstall windows though... make it /dev/hda2 instead of /dev/hda1, then resize /home (/dev/hda4) to eat about 25g of the 40 that's currently assigned to windows
[04:28] <Razor-X> Chadwill: pgrep xmms
[04:29] <Kyral> and I'
[04:29] <nickrud> Chadwill, pgrep
[04:29] <Kyral> damn XCHAT!!
[04:29] <socomm> Razor-X: I would consider it a WM.
[04:29] <Razor-X> socomm: why?-
[04:29] <Razor-X> s/-//
[04:29] <gpd> PurpleMotion: are you a profesional graphic designer?
[04:29] <Will_> ps aux | grep xmms
[04:29] <shane> hey guys
[04:29] <PurpleMotion> i do my share
[04:29] <socomm> http://www.modarchive.com/artists/pm/
[04:29] <gpd> PurpleMotion: is fireworks 'the dogs'?
[04:29] <socomm> Kick ass composer.
[04:29] <PurpleMotion> oh yeah
[04:30] <gpd> PurpleMotion: and will adobe merger kill it?
[04:30] <PurpleMotion> it's the best vector based graphics editor in existance
[04:30] <PurpleMotion> probably
[04:30] <jakestah> How do I create a fodler from the terminal?
[04:30] <Kyral> jakestah, mkdir
[04:30] <shane> can you run enlightenment on ubuntu?
[04:30] <Razor-X> shane: yes
[04:30] <gpd> PurpleMotion: yeah, i wonder how long before inkscape et al catch up :(
[04:30] <jakestah> Thank you
[04:30] <crimsun> sure. sudo aptitude install enlightenment
[04:30] <parabolize> socomm, it has a dm, file manager, bar, wm, audio and video player and lots more. its a DE not a WM
[04:30] <Razor-X> crimsun: you have to add repos though
[04:30] <Razor-X> and it's not as simple as that
[04:30] <PurpleMotion> i _just_ looked at inkscape with very high hopes, too
[04:31] <nickrud> shane, there are debs you can get for 17
[04:31] <Razor-X> for DR17, I mean
[04:31] <Razor-X> for DR16 it's simple
[04:31] <shane> Razor-X,  is it easy to install, iam a totall n00b
[04:31] <PurpleMotion> it shows promise in another 20 or so revisions but as it stands it's shite compared to fireworks
[04:31] <Razor-X> shane: there's a howto on the Ubuntu forums
[04:31] <cafuego> PurpleMotion: I think Corel might have some issues with that statement.
[04:31] <shane> Razor-X, thanks
[04:31] <benplaut> PurpleMotion: the lack of a layer/object pallet is somehwat disturbing (in inkscape)
[04:31] <PurpleMotion> cafuego:  and corel can stuff them :) fireworks blows coreldraw out of the water
[04:31] <gpd> PurpleMotion: did you try the latest version?
[04:31] <Razor-X> I just found that my water valve can let me breath under water ;)
[04:32] <PurpleMotion> gpd: yeah
[04:32] <cafuego> PurpleMotion: I must have missed a fireworks release then <heh> ;-)
[04:32] <PurpleMotion> just installed it
[04:32] <benplaut> there are a few nice touches i like about corel
[04:32] <gpd> PurpleMotion: 0.42 not 0.40 (in repository)
[04:32] <PurpleMotion> oh
[04:32] <benplaut> first of all, the way docking panels works in v10+ is execptional, even zooming works around them
[04:32] <PurpleMotion> no
[04:33] <PurpleMotion> but how much can there be in .2?
[04:33] <benplaut> alot
[04:33] <socomm> parabolize: Well I don't see E being called a DE anywhere on their site.
[04:33] <benplaut> that's two releases later ;)
[04:33] <gpd> PurpleMotion:  there was a story on /. about how much had changed
[04:33] <gpd> PurpleMotion:  despite the tiny number increment...
[04:33] <socomm> I do see WM and `desktop shell' mentioned, but not DE.
[04:33] <PurpleMotion> I'll give it a look-see, but fromw hat i saw of 0.40, im not holding my breath
[04:33] <Razor-X> socomm: many people consider it such
[04:33] <benplaut> second of all, the multi-tool is much more intuative than any other graphics program i've tried (and i've tried several)
[04:34] <kaffeend> Okay, about screen refresh rates - I am a n00b with all this. I just installed Ubuntu yesterday after reading about it yesterday. Pages and pages of what I believe is code or whatever doesn't really tell me anything about changing my refresh rate... I don't understand all this stuff, all I want is to click a drop down menu and choose a refresh rate of, say 85 hz... Does this exist in gnome?
[04:34] <PurpleMotion> I'm adept in fireworks, and very very fast at it
[04:34] <benplaut> kaffeend: not with a GUI...
[04:34] <gpd> PurpleMotion:  no, but you could give them some feedback which might help -- seems to be rapidly developing atm
[04:34] <kaffeend> benplaut really?
[04:34] <benplaut> PurpleMotion: WINE'd version MX?
[04:34] <PurpleMotion> kaffeend:  dunno about gnome, but kde has a program called krandrtray that doe sit
[04:34] <shane> i have about 1000 mp3s that i just added to my xmms and its not responding and it wont close any ideas?
[04:35] <Will_> Give it a minute
[04:35] <kaffeend> wow - no wonder windows is so popular with the dummies like me :/
[04:35] <nickrud> kaffeend, you can try system-preferences-screen resolution: if that doesn't work, you need to tweek your xorg.conf
[04:35] <benplaut> kaffeend: to reconfigure your xserver (it gives you some option on that), type "sudo dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[04:35] <Razor-X> wow, DR17 is real nice
[04:35] <PurpleMotion> benplaut:  tried. even bought cxoffice in hopes, no luck.. flash and dreamweaver work flawlessly - albiet a little slow - but fireworks just harfs and dies
[04:35] <kaffeend> benplaut - type where?
[04:35] <socomm> Razor-X: It does look nice.
[04:36] <bimberi> kaffeend: It's is supposed to work via System -> Preferences -> Screen Resolution but unfortunately it doesn't seem to get set up properly
[04:36] <uber_newber> can sum1 tell me what i need to do to install windows 98 se? im currecntly running ubuntu on my laptop which is a toshiba tecra 8000 intel 2 processor. i have the download at this site >     http://seraphimhacks.sytes.net/98se.htm  i gotta friend to post it for me
[04:36] <benplaut> PurpleMotion: hmm... works for me
[04:36] <benplaut> kaffeend: into a terminal
[04:36] <PurpleMotion> benplaut:  what does? fireworks?
[04:36] <benplaut> yup
[04:36] <benplaut> MX, not MX 2004
[04:36] <PurpleMotion> try to open something
[04:36] <DekaPink> I believe I'm starting to like Gimp. :3
[04:36] <benplaut> oh
[04:37] <bddebian> uber_newber: You are kidding right?
[04:37] <PurpleMotion> try to do something
[04:37] <PurpleMotion> if it works, ill delete windows altogether
[04:37] <shane> i have battlefield 2 and i just killed my windows beucase i was so fusterated with it and now i have no way to play it...i was thinking about running wine but iam sure its a memory hog would that work?
[04:37] <Snufj> gimp iz nice
[04:37] <PurpleMotion> it was the ONLY thing holding me back
[04:37] <felesh> someone use modconf in ubuntu? i am searching in apt but modconf dont appear
[04:37] <nickrud> bimberi, it's supposed to use what X reports; if it doesn't have the proper monitor options, it's an xorg.conf thing
[04:37] <socomm> uber_newber: You need to call up MS tech support for that.
[04:38] <nickrud> s/it/screen resolution/
[04:38] <bimberi> nickrud: k - thought so - cheers!
[04:38] <uber_newber> bddebain: no, cuz its just about impossible to install my lynksis wireless usb network adapter on ubuntu, so i know it will b much easier on windows. nothing against linux, its just that im a newb and dont know how to use it
[04:38] <socomm> uber_newber: If you boot into MS-Windows installer I'm sure you could figure it out from there.
[04:39] <Will_> uber_newber: perhaps asking in a linux channel is the wrong way to go
[04:39] <Razor-X> but it's annoying that you auto-change desktop by moving the mouse to the right of the screen
[04:39] <uber_newber> socom: how do i do that?
[04:39] <shammy> when I try to open synaptic, notthing happens, when i try to run it from the terminal, gtk tells me the interface cannot be opened, it worked an hour ago.. what happened?
[04:39] <kaffeend> benplaut I typed that into the terminal and it came back with: dpkg: need an action option
[04:39] <kaffeend> Type dpkg --help for help about installing and deinstalling packages [*] ;
[04:39] <kaffeend> Use dselect for user-friendly package management;
[04:39] <kaffeend> Type dpkg -Dhelp for a list of dpkg debug flag values;
[04:39] <kaffeend> Type dpkg --force-help for a list of forcing options;
[04:39] <kaffeend> Type dpkg-deb --help for help about manipulating *.deb files;
[04:39] <kaffeend> Type dpkg --licence for copyright licence and lack of warranty (GNU GPL) [*] .
[04:39] <socomm> Ummm, place the cd in the cd tray close the cd tray and reboot.
[04:40] <kaffeend> I don't know what any of that means
[04:40] <Razor-X> should I just go back to KDE? *wonders
[04:40] <benplaut> !xserver
[04:40] <ubotu> it has been said that xserver is or !xwindows
[04:40] <HrdwrBoB> ugh KDE
[04:40] <benplaut> !xorg
[04:40] <ubotu> benplaut: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[04:41] <socomm> Razor-X: Just hop around til you find something you like.
[04:41] <benplaut> !xserver-xorg
[04:41] <ubotu> benplaut: Are you smoking crack?
[04:41] <benplaut> no, i'm not
[04:41] <Razor-X> socomm: E is real nice, eyecandy wise
[04:41] <f_newton> ubotu what do you know about crack?
[04:41] <ubotu> f_newton: No idea
[04:41] <Razor-X> but, usability... eh
[04:41] <f_newton> exactly
[04:41] <Razor-X> still like it better than Gnome ;)
[04:41] <socomm> Razor-X: Try Fluxbox, blackbox, openbox, etc ....
[04:41] <shad0w1e> question: How do I do a diskcheck?
[04:41] <PurpleMotion> kaffeend:  want my advice? being new, you should install kde... kde is a lot more feature rich than gnome, and has a lot more of what you would expect to find from a desktop.. ubuntu includes kde, you need only open a terminal and type: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:41] <bimberi> kaffeend: dpkg-reconfigure (add a hyphen)
[04:41] <shad0w1e> xfce is also an amazing GUI
[04:41] <socomm> shad0w1e: `man fsck'
[04:41] <bddebian> shad0w1e: fsck
[04:42] <shad0w1e> thanks
[04:42] <nomasteryoda|w> gpd, what was that URL again.. on the laptop now
[04:42] <nomasteryoda|w> in ubuntu
[04:42] <f_newton> PurpleMotion, you and I disagree there thats for sure
[04:42] <WebMaven> Well, I figured out my sound problems.
[04:42] <kaffeend> PurpleMotion thanks
[04:42] <socomm> Razor-X: Fluxbox is my personal favourite.
[04:42] <WebMaven> basically, I'm fucked.
[04:42] <nomasteryoda|w> ouch
[04:42] <Razor-X> do I have to add an entry into my xsessions for xfce?
[04:42] <gpd> nomasteryoda|w: i pm'd you :)
[04:42] <PurpleMotion> for people new to linux, kde is 10x more user-friendly than gnome
[04:42] <Razor-X> socomm: I don't like the look of it on my 486 there
[04:42] <Razor-X> but, it may look better
[04:42] <PurpleMotion> i dont know how anybody could dispute that
[04:42] <kaffeend> bimberi where do I add the hyphen? at the end?
[04:42] <shad0w1e> okay it just did  a diskcheck in like half a second....
[04:42] <f_newton> gnome is cleaner, easier to navigate, a lot more stable then kde ever was, less memory hoggish, and just better looking
[04:43] <shad0w1e> kde is better looking
[04:43] <Razor-X> f_newton: actually, I think KDE is more stable
[04:43] <nickrud> PurpleMotion, for some people, I can't, and wont
[04:43] <shad0w1e> its true though that gnome is more stable
[04:43] <f_newton> lol y'all think what ya want
[04:43] <bimberi> kaffeend: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  (ie. in between dpkg and reconfigure)
[04:43] <Razor-X> you too, f_newton ;)
[04:43] <f_newton> Ive used both for years
[04:43] <gpd> all desktop managers blow... osx and winxp included... meh
[04:43] <WebMaven> here are two other people with the same/similar problems: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=53238&highlight=cmi9739 http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-22788.html
[04:43] <kaffeend> bimberi thanks
[04:43] <Razor-X> gpd: yeah, twin's the way to go! ;)
[04:43] <shad0w1e> ok fsck isnt checking my disk...
[04:43] <bimberi> kaffeend: yw :)
[04:44] <nomasteryoda|w> gpd, nah...flux is the cooleset
[04:44] <f_newton> its all a matter of choice
[04:44] <PurpleMotion> ill concede that they all have their disadvantages, and many of them are common, but i wouldn't say any of them are completely without merit
[04:44] <gpd> I use OSX at work and have ubuntu desktop / Winxp laptop side by side... each has it's annoyances
[04:44] <WebMaven> and here is an actual bug report: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=125437
[04:44] <f_newton> but for simplicity, ease of use, clean gui usage I vote gnome
[04:44] <WebMaven> hello reka.
[04:45] <gpd> it infuriates me how these developers cannot seem to get the most obvious usabilty stuff in there...
[04:45] <reka> WebMaven: hello again.  any luck?
[04:45] <benplaut> PurpleMotion: yeah... it's pretty messed up :P
[04:45] <nickrud> WebMaven, I'd second the advice about changing the control device for the mixer; I tried a few combos, and settled on OSS and PCM
[04:45] <f_newton> for everything including the kitchen sink sloppy glitchy sparkly glarish useless redundantly arrogant krap  I choose kde
[04:45] <WebMaven> reka: I've found the answer. I'm fucked.
[04:45] <gpd> xfce = try drag and drop an item from a menu to the panel--- no go! crazy
[04:45] <shad0w1e> ah -f seemed to shut it up
[04:45] <benplaut> !xfce
[04:45] <ubotu> benplaut: Are you smoking crack?
[04:45] <benplaut> hmm
[04:45] <benplaut> how do you add an entry?
[04:45] <reka> WebMaven: lol.  what font of knowledge gave that answer?
[04:45] <benplaut> hey, cafuego
[04:45] <PurpleMotion> benplaut:  i'm gonna give it a shot.. i have cxoffice, so maybe it will wrap everything properly
[04:45] <benplaut> yeah
[04:45] <nickrud> benplaut, ubuto <x> is <y>
[04:45] <benplaut> make sure it's MX, not MX 2004
[04:46] <f_newton> PurpleMotion, what version cxoffice?
[04:46] <shad0w1e> xfce is the greatest bang for your buck
[04:46] <benplaut> ahh
[04:46] <nickrud> well close ;)
[04:46] <shad0w1e> meanining nice desktop, good performance
[04:46] <f_newton> xfce is supposedly good
[04:46] <PurpleMotion> i dont know,a ctually.. ill check when i install it :D
[04:46] <WebMaven> nickrud: that won't work. this %#^$#@ soundchip doesn't have PCM volume control.
[04:46] <gpd> to add a menu item in xfce... browse to the binary in /usr/bin/firefox and find an icon!!! AYFKM!
[04:46] <uber_newber> socom: when i burn the windows 98 se cd at the site i showed earlier, do i gotta burn it in any special form or anything? orjust simply burn it to a cd?
[04:46] <shad0w1e> uber_newber,  it wont boot then
[04:46] <WebMaven> reka: here are two other people with the same/similar problems: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=53238&highlight=cmi9739 http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-22788.html
[04:46] <nickrud> WebMaven, then, you have a more screwed chip than mine ;)
[04:46] <f_newton> uber_newber, make sure you also burn the hidden files
[04:46] <shad0w1e> but it will work...
[04:46] <WebMaven> reka: and here is an actual bug report: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=125437
[04:47] <uber_newber> g2g all
[04:47] <reka> redhat bug?
[04:47] <shad0w1e> ok guys I got a little situation
[04:47] <shad0w1e> when I boot off this linux drive
[04:47] <benplaut> ubotu <xfce> is <A lightweight Desktop Environment that uses GTK. to install, "sudo apt-get install xfce4". http://www.xfce.org/
[04:47] <ubotu> benplaut: okay
[04:47] <benplaut> !xfce
[04:47] <ubotu> Wish i knew, benplaut
[04:47] <nickrud> WebMaven, if you can, just buy a card that supports hardware sound mixing (multiopen in alsa terminology)
[04:47] <shad0w1e> during boot  Isee a million errors and then it just halts
[04:47] <jupiter> hi every1
[04:47] <f_newton> PurpleMotion, I use cxoffice 4.2.2 pro and it works really well for kme
[04:47] <benplaut> ubotu <!xfce> is <A lightweight Desktop Environment that uses GTK. to install, "sudo apt-get install xfce4". http://www.xfce.org/
[04:47] <ubotu> okay, benplaut
[04:47] <f_newton> uh gme
[04:47] <benplaut> !xfce
[04:47] <f_newton> no k here
[04:47] <f_newton> lol
[04:47] <shad0w1e> where is the boot log file stored?
[04:47] <benplaut> xfce
[04:47] <WebMaven> reka: it's the exact same problem with my chip and Gnome.
[04:47] <reka> benplaut: without the '<'s :)
[04:47] <benplaut> ahh
[04:47] <nickrud> !<xfce>
[04:47] <ubotu> methinks <xfce> is <A lightweight Desktop Environment that uses GTK. to install, "sudo apt-get install xfce4". http://www.xfce.org/
[04:48] <nickrud> rofl
[04:48] <benplaut> ubotu !xfce is A lightweight Desktop Environment that uses GTK. to install, "sudo apt-get install xfce4". http://www.xfce.org/
[04:48] <ubotu> benplaut: okay
[04:48] <nickrud> no offence, benplaut
[04:48] <WebMaven> nickrud: I wasn't planning on buying a card at all.
[04:48] <reka> ubotu: forget <xfce>
[04:48] <ubotu> reka: i forgot <xfce>
[04:48] <benplaut> !xfce
[04:48] <ubotu> benplaut: Wish i knew
[04:48] <nickrud> WebMaven, I am
[04:48] <benplaut> arg
[04:48] <shad0w1e> hello where can I find a log of the bootup???
[04:48] <reka> !!xfce
[04:48] <ubotu> [!xfce]  A lightweight Desktop Environment that uses GTK. to install, "sudo apt-get install xfce4". http://www.xfce.org/
[04:48] <nickrud> benplaut, no !
[04:48] <reka> :)
[04:48] <bddebian> shad0w1e: dmesg
[04:48] <benplaut> ubotu xfce A lightweight Desktop Environment that uses GTK. to install, "sudo apt-get install xfce4". http://www.xfce.org/
[04:48] <ubotu> I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about, benplaut
[04:48] <benplaut> ubotuy forget !xfce
[04:48] <benplaut> ubotu forget !xfce
[04:48] <Razor-X> ewww!
[04:48] <ubotu> benplaut: i forgot !xfce
[04:49] <reka> lol
[04:49] <Razor-X> my xfce is totally screwey
[04:49] <shad0w1e> bddebian,  the drive wouldnt boot, I put the drive into another machine and mounted it....
[04:49] <Razor-X> I should've done xfce4 ;)
[04:49] <benplaut> ubotu xfce is a lightweight Desktop Environment that uses GTK. to install, "sudo apt-get install xfce4". http://www.xfce.org/
[04:49] <ubotu> okay, benplaut
[04:49] <bimberi> so is ubotu's
[04:49] <nickrud> ubotu  xfce is A lightweight Desktop Environment that uses GTK. to install, "sudo apt-get install xfce4". http://www.xfce.org/
[04:49] <ubotu> ...but xfce is already something else...
[04:49] <benplaut> !xfce
[04:49] <ubotu> it has been said that xfce is a lightweight Desktop Environment that uses GTK. to install, "sudo apt-get install xfce4". http://www.xfce.org/
[04:49] <nickrud> gar
[04:49] <benplaut> thank you!
[04:49] <f_newton> ya'll shouldnt play with the bot like that
[04:49] <f_newton> its gonna go nutzo n fry us all
[04:49] <benplaut> it's quit a task to add an item properly :(
[04:49] <bddebian> shad0w1e: Ahh, look in /var/log/ farg, I can't think right now.. :-(
[04:49] <benplaut> it has that power?
[04:49] <nickrud> only the first time, especially with an audience :)
[04:50] <whitefang> ubotu define your stupidity
[04:50] <ubotu> whitefang: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[04:50] <shad0w1e> bddebian,  thanks
[04:50] <whitefang> ubuntu, yes
[04:50] <f_newton> eggdrops can crack shells
[04:50] <f_newton> lol
[04:50] <PurpleMotion> it's 4.1
[04:50] <brukental37> I have a small problem with ubuntu. After installing from CD, I get grub hard disk error. It hasn't even installed the apt-get packages, just after reboot, grub hard disk error
[04:50] <f_newton> PurpleMotion, That version has some glitches
[04:50] <brukental37> anybody know what it could be causing this?
[04:50] <PurpleMotion> what's newer?
[04:51] <nomasteryoda|w> gpd, have you asked on #java?
[04:51] <adkinsj> ubotu what is the meaning of life?
[04:51] <ubotu> I think you lost me on that one, adkinsj
[04:51] <nomasteryoda|w> just for kicks
[04:51] <f_newton> 4.2.2
[04:51] <cafuego> brukental37: A broken harddisk might, or a broken grub setup.
[04:51] <cafuego> Please go to #debian-bots if you need to play with ubotu.
[04:51] <gpd> nomasteryoda|w: no, good idea - I submitted a bug out of frustration ;)
[04:52] <reka> or /msg ubotu <blah>
[04:52] <Razor-X> should I tell my Xsessions to start xfce or xfce4 ?
[04:52] <brukental37> cafuego: I have no problem when I install gentoo or debian or suse on that same hard disk, grub and lilo both load just fine
[04:52] <cafuego> brukental37: Did you try an advanced install and make it use LILO instead?
[04:52] <grigora> 
[04:52] <brukental37> cafuego: it is only ubuntu that is acting up. Used the same CD to install on a desktop (error is on a laptop) and no problem loading grub, system running perfectly
[04:52] <shane> would anyone know how to boot into enlightenment after its been installed?
[04:53] <shad0w1e> ok after about 5 seconds into booting, a million errors roll by my screen. the system wont boot and it used to. I put the drive into a nother machine and mounted it there. is there any way I can "look into the problem from here?"
[04:53] <reka> grigora: nice.  you got it working?
[04:53] <benplaut> !add
[04:53] <ubotu> from memory, add is To add an item to me, type "ubotu <keyword> is <description description description>", without the carrots
[04:53] <benplaut> well done, ubotu!
[04:53] <nickrud> lol
[04:53] <WebMaven> ok, I'm going to try and figure this out one last way.
[04:53] <gpd> err stupid question ... how do i join #java - it says i need to be identified?
[04:53] <benplaut> that'll save some people alot of trouble (like me)
[04:53] <reka> carrots?
[04:53] <brukental37> cafuego: thanks for the idea, I will try to use lilo and see if it work
[04:53] <grigora> reka: not really, I was just testing GAIM, but OO doesn't displays the chars correctly
[04:53] <cafuego> !add =~ s|"ubotu|"/msg ubotu|
[04:53] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, cafuego
[04:53] <nickrud> benplaut, carets ;)
[04:53] <bddebian> gpd: You need to register your nick
[04:54] <cafuego> retarded perl heap
[04:54] <Chadwill> um..no shockwave plugin on linux?
[04:54] <WebMaven> apparently there is a way to define a software volume control
[04:54] <gpd> bddebian: thanks i'm in
[04:54] <Chadwill> cant find any shockwave player/plugins for linux
[04:55] <catolh> Chadwill,  http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:55] <WebMaven> anyone have any idea on how to do that? the instructions at the end of this page aren't very clear: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/alsa-lib/pcm_plugins.html
[04:55] <cafuego> Chadwill: They're in 'restricted' or 'universe'
[04:55] <cafuego> Chadwill: And only for ia32.
[04:55] <nickrud> gpd, /msg nickserv help
[04:55] <crimsun> WebMaven: just make a softvol definition
[04:55] <brukental37> shad0w1e: is there another drive in the machine beside that? Make sure drive hasn't changed from Master to slave or the other way arround. Lets say your system is configured to boot /dev/hda1 and your linux will be /hda1/linuz.gz... if it looks into /dev/hdb or /hdb1/boot/linux.gz it will not find your kernel
[04:55] <cafuego> nickrud: gpd is already registered
[04:56] <adkinsj> REGISTER
[04:56] <cafuego> EROR
[04:56] <shad0w1e> brukental37, no changes. one day the comp stopped booting
[04:56] <nickrud> cafuego, I once new how to see that (for myself), a reminder?
[04:56] <shad0w1e> so I took the drive out and put it into another machine
[04:56] <WebMaven> crimsun, how do I do that?
[04:56] <cafuego> nickrud: /quote capab identify-msg
[04:56] <nickrud> cafuego, ty
[04:56] <shad0w1e> during boot there are a million errors. I can only see the later ones but its got something to do with spawning processes
[04:56] <crimsun> WebMaven: follow the template on that page.
[04:57] <cafuego> nickrud: See also 'format-identify.pl' for irssi :-)
[04:57] <nickrud> heh
[04:57] <WebMaven> none of it makes any sense to me.
[04:57] <nickrud> I'm not Razor-X ;P
[04:57] <crimsun> WebMaven: it should be pretty straightforward
[04:57] <brukental37> shad0w1e: ehhhh... try fsck, do you remeber your filesystem type? is it a journaling filesystem?
[04:57] <cafuego> Razor-X uses BitchX, so no.
[04:57] <Chadwill> so flashplayer and shockwave are the same?
[04:58] <benplaut> yup
[04:58] <shad0w1e> brukental37, its EXT3
[04:58] <shad0w1e> I ran it with -f and it seemed to find no errors
[04:58] <cafuego> Chadwill: No, they're not really, but for the web it'll do.
[04:58] <crimsun> WebMaven: you need to create an ~/.asoundrc
[04:58] <brukental37> shad0w1e: best recmoendation for you... get knoppix, boot from the CD and mount your hard drive. make sure you take a good look in /etc/fstab and make sure there are no anomalies...
[04:58] <crimsun> WebMaven: in that file, make a pcm.something definition like you see in that softvol template
[04:59] <shad0w1e> brukental37, I al booted into MEPIS
[04:59] <WebMaven> crimsun: I'm not sure how to read the notation. I gather that some of it needs to be replaced with values from my machine, and other stuff is optional, but I'm only guessing what's what.
[04:59] <shad0w1e> with the problem drive as a secondary....
[04:59] <Chadwill> ah..but i go  iux course..and flash is installed..but the course java aplet needs shockwave
[04:59] <crimsun> WebMaven: yep, that's essentially what you do.
[04:59] <brukental37> shad0w1e: you did not see any problems? Look in your boot logs after you mount the drive
[05:00] <WebMaven> crimsun: so, which is which in the template?
[05:00] <shad0w1e> brukental37, where are they stored?
[05:00] <whitefang> how do i open a self-extracting .bin file?
[05:00] <shad0w1e> whitefang, ./name.bin
[05:00] <shad0w1e> or first
[05:00] <brukental37> shad0w1e: after you mount the drive with MEPTS look in /var/log/messages, DMESG has to output to somehwere forgot where.. anybody else in channel know?
[05:00] <shad0w1e> chmod +x whatever.bin
[05:01] <brukental37> anybody know what file DMESG messages go to?
[05:01] <crimsun> WebMaven: what do you mean?
[05:01] <nickrud> brukental37, /var/log/dmesg?
[05:01] <crimsun> WebMaven: keep in mind hw:0,0
[05:01] <canibal> alguno que hable espaol?
[05:01] <shad0w1e> it only gets to like the third thing in boot and then it conks
[05:01] <reka> !es
[05:02] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[05:02] <WebMaven> I mean, is 'slave STR' a variable name that needs replacing, and if so with what?
[05:02] <DekaPink> Yay... I made an Ubuntu splash image for gimp. xD
[05:02] <canibal> alguien que hable espaol?
[05:02] <benplaut> canibal: #ubuntu-es
[05:02] <brukental37> nope no such file
[05:03] <brukental37> shadow, you still here?
[05:03] <crimsun> WebMaven: I just told you hw:0,0
[05:03] <nickrud> brukental37, I looked first (I sometimes remember) and it exists here
[05:03] <brukental37> you have it in /var/log/dmesg? what distro.. hehehe I want it..
[05:03] <WebMaven> OK, so the line needs to read 'slave hw:0,0' ?
[05:03] <nickrud> lol, no ?
[05:04] <brukental37> I dont have it on my system
[05:04] <brukental37> using suse 9.0 on the machine I checked
[05:04] <bddebian> I thought it was /var/log/klog or some such?
[05:04] <shad0w1e> ok thanks guys....
[05:04] <crimsun> WebMaven: in quotes
[05:04] <PurpleMotion> oh my god it works
[05:04] <benplaut> PurpleMotion:    :)
[05:05] <nickrud> bddebian, you probably are thinking of /var/log/kern.log
[05:05] <brukental37> oh, on suse it /var/log/boot.msg
[05:05] <PurpleMotion> okay, i go play now
[05:05] <benplaut> bubye :P
[05:05] <brukental37> so shadow, look for something where your DMESG will get outputed to
[05:05] <bddebian> nickrud: Well on GNU/Hurd we have /dev/klog ;-P
[05:05] <nickrud> bddebian, oh, a real gnuer you?
[05:06] <bddebian> nickrud: Something like that :-)
[05:06] <WebMaven> crimsun: so the entire file should only read:
[05:06] <WebMaven> pcm.name {
[05:06] <WebMaven>         type softvol
[05:06] <WebMaven>         slave 'hw:0,0'
[05:06] <WebMaven> }
[05:06] <Mobius> anyone here do anything with the edubuntu project?
[05:06] <nickrud> too much work
[05:06] <brukental37> shad0w1e: look for the file where DMESG messages get written and edit that to see the error messages.
[05:06] <crimsun> WebMaven: no, you need a control subportion, too
[05:06] <DekaPink> http://www.mts.net/~dw/gimp-splash.png <3
[05:06] <crimsun> WebMaven: read the page carefully
[05:07] <brukental37> shad0w1e: aparently its different for every distro probably
[05:07] <Mobius> anyone have any idea why the i810 driver fails to start gdm after a bios update?
[05:07] <nickrud> shad0w1e, brukental37 yes, it can be. /var/log/dmesg on debian based systems I've tried
[05:08] <brukental37> nickrud: thanks nick
[05:08] <nickrud> brukental37, np, I suffered through suse for a month ;P
[05:08] <WebMaven> crimsun: are the portions in square brackets optional?
[05:08] <brukental37> hehe well off to try to install ubuntu on my laptop hopefully it will boot with lilo... grub fails on that laptop for some reason
[05:08] <shad0w1e> hmm I keep getting this "no space left on device" error
[05:09] <brukental37> nickrud: haha yeah debian based or debian is starting to look a lot more appealing
[05:09] <crimsun> WebMaven: yes
[05:09] <nickrud>  brukental37 for what it's worth, I walked someone thru lilo who's grub install didn't work
[05:09] <DekaPink> I wonder if it would be okay to post on gnome-look. :3
[05:09] <brukental37> nickrud: cool thanks.. see ya =)
[05:10] <gpd> meh... #java has 119 nicks but deadly silence
[05:10] <cafuego> they're not silent, they're just running a bit slow..
[05:10] <reka> heh
[05:10] <gpd> they have all crashed with a fatal exception in class foo
[05:10] <WebMaven> crimsun: so is this OK:
[05:10] <WebMaven> pcm.name {
[05:10] <WebMaven>         type softvol
[05:10] <WebMaven>         slave 'hw:0,0'
[05:10] <WebMaven>         control {
[05:10] <WebMaven>                 name 'hw:0,0'
[05:10] <WebMaven>         }
[05:10] <WebMaven> }
[05:11] <cafuego> shad0w1e: Hint: your disk is full.
[05:11] <benplaut> !pastebin
[05:12] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[05:12] <shad0w1e> cafuego, is it possible Im getting that error even though its not?
[05:12] <shad0w1e> ok I deleted 300MB
[05:12] <shad0w1e> and ill try booting now
[05:12] <cafuego> shad0w1e: Do you have subpartitions? Do you have a strange inode size? Do you have an odd partition format?
[05:12] <shad0w1e> thanks
[05:12] <shad0w1e> I dont think so
[05:12] <shad0w1e> come to think of it it mightve acvtually been full....
[05:12] <gpd> too late, java is lacerated beyond repair
[05:12] <shad0w1e> well ill try booting
[05:12] <shad0w1e> thanks so much guys
[05:12] <cafuego> shad0w1e: 'sudo apt-get autoclean'
[05:12] <crimsun> WebMaven: don't paste in here. Use " instead of '.
[05:12] <cafuego> shad0w1e: That will remove old packages from the disk cache.
[05:12] <WebMaven> Ok. Other than that?
[05:12] <shad0w1e> oh nice
[05:12] <benplaut> webmaven: read vv
[05:12] <benplaut> !pastebin
[05:12] <ubotu> well, pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[05:13] <cafuego> shad0w1e: or 'sudo apt-get clean' to remoev the whole cache.
[05:13] <shad0w1e> cafuego, thanks
[05:13] <crimsun> WebMaven: please read alsa.opensrc.org if you have additional questions.
[05:13] <shad0w1e> cya guys
[05:13] <shad0w1e> im gonna give it a go
[05:13] <benplaut> bubye
[05:13] <benplaut> well
[05:14] <nickrud> crimsun, what's the diff between that link and alsa-project.org?
[05:14] <mohohaha> is ubuntu live cd linux?
[05:14] <crimsun> nickrud: alsa-project.org is the official web site. alsa.opensrc.org is an unofficial users' wiki.
[05:14] <nickrud> ah
[05:14] <crimsun> mohohaha: there are live cds for each supported arch, yes.
[05:15] <^thehatsrule^> mohohaha: depends on what cd, it can be yes
[05:15] <nickrud> thanks
[05:15] <gpd> ok, i found a forum post about my issue with pjirc and they suggest downgrading java to 1.4.2...
[05:17] <mohohaha> so what's the difference between ubuntu and debian
[05:17] <Xyc0> !debian
[05:17] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, debian is The Rock upon which Ubuntu is founded; see http://www.debian.org http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html#contents Thank You Ian and DEBra Murdock! 1994 Vers. 0.9
[05:17] <DekaPink> Huh... I really don't know anything about licenses... Can I put a graphic on gnome-look under GPL if it uses a freeware font that I didn't create myself? :3
[05:18] <WebMaven> crimsun: no results for softvol
[05:18] <nickrud> mohohaha, not much, yet, and hopefully not a lot in the future :)
[05:18] <gpd> so again the choice of java1.4.2 rpm or tgz... ho hum... tgz this time
[05:19] <mohohaha> is ubuntu better than debian
[05:19] <nickrud> gpd, you want to use java-package (from multiverse) on a sun jre...bin file for java, if you didn
[05:19] <nickrud> 't know that already
[05:19] <bddebian> mohohaha: I suppose that depends on your definition
[05:19] <bddebian> mohohaha: Ubuntu tends to lean more towards users and releases more often
[05:19] <reka> asks he in an ubuntu channel :)
[05:19] <gpd> nickrud: no I didn't know that... i'll give it a crack
[05:19] <nickrud> !java
[05:19] <ubotu> hmm... java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[05:20] <mohohaha> does ubuntu use apt-get?
[05:20] <nickrud> oh, !java has changed again
[05:20] <benplaut> mohohaha: yup
[05:20] <bddebian> mohohaha: Yes, and synaptic, and aptitude
[05:21] <mohohaha> so it's debian with different name!
[05:21] <Xyc0> mohohaha: neg
[05:21] <gpd> nickrud: yeah, you see I need 1.4.2 so that is of no help... trying java-package now
[05:21] <benplaut> with human interface improvements
[05:21] <benplaut> mohohaha: debian for the desktop :)
[05:21] <mohohaha> ubuntu for server?
[05:21] <benplaut> not the best, IMHO
[05:22] <benplaut> better to use debain for a server
[05:22] <gpd> pah... ubuntu for a server team would disagree!
[05:22] <mohohaha> ubuntu for desktop?
[05:22] <nickrud> aptitude install java-package; get your preferred sun package; make-jpkg jre<tab>, dpkg -i sun<tab>
[05:22] <nickrud> gpd, a quick guide
[05:22] <benplaut> mohohaha: that's it's main use
[05:22] <bddebian> mohohaha: He was saying that Ubuntu is Debian for the Desktop :-)
[05:23] <Xyc0> not really
[05:23] <Xyc0> I disagree
[05:23] <benplaut> ?
[05:23] <Xyc0> Ubuntu works great as a server
[05:23] <gpd> nickrud: fakeroot make-jpkg jre<tab> it seems
[05:23] <bimberi> Yay, finally found it - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship
[05:24] <nickrud> gpd, thanks for the refresher ;P
[05:24] <benplaut> Xyc0: but it's main goal is the desktop
[05:24] <bimberi> ^^^ describes the debian/ubuntu relationship
[05:24] <gpd> nickrud: no, thank you ;)
[05:24] <mohohaha> yes
[05:24] <mohohaha> what's their difference
[05:25] <benplaut> not much
[05:25] <Xyc0> One is more user friendly
[05:25] <Xyc0> the other is more stable
[05:25] <nickrud> not that simple
[05:25] <benplaut> ubuntu is more bleading edge, while still being stable enough for anything not mission critical
[05:25] <Xyc0> hence backports
[05:25] <benplaut> !debain
[05:25] <ubotu> benplaut: I haven't a clue
[05:25] <benplaut> !debian
[05:25] <ubotu> I guess debian is The Rock upon which Ubuntu is founded; see http://www.debian.org http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html#contents Thank You Ian and DEBra Murdock! 1994 Vers. 0.9
[05:25] <benplaut> not helpful
[05:26] <reka> benplaut: a repost too.
[05:26] <nickrud> benplaut, maybe change it to http://packages.debian.org/unstable/doc/debian-history
[05:26] <benplaut> woops
[05:26] <Xyc0> You should use debian for a bit, see the difference for yourself
[05:26] <gpd> ubuntu is a debian fork with lots of money and enthusiasm and brown
[05:26] <benplaut> ye
[05:26] <benplaut> s
[05:26] <bimberi> ubotu: debian_ubuntu is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship/
[05:26] <ubotu> bimberi: okay
[05:26] <benplaut> and brown...
[05:27] <transgress> half my shit didn't work in debian... made me sad... i used to be such a fan...
[05:27] <reka> this is all rather interesting...i'm gonna try out debian when i have some time
[05:27] <gpd> benplaut: yes, lots of brown (if you use gnome default theme)
[05:27] <benplaut> i don't :P
[05:27] <reka> ubuntu's been my 1st debian-based distro
[05:27] <transgress> well i used to use debian before
[05:27] <transgress> then i went to ubuntu
[05:27] <gpd> holy crap on a stick pjirc works with java 1.4.2 !!!
[05:27] <transgress> where i got my camera to work... for some reason it didn't want to connect to my digicam in debian
[05:27] <mohohaha> there are other debian based distro?
[05:28] <pax> cat /etc/debian_version you are still using debian :D
[05:28] <gpd> reka: I bet you used Knoppix ;)
[05:28] <bddebian> Knoppix is Debian based
[05:28] <something_else> I am having wireless issues. What happens is my connection suddenly seems to drop. At first I thought it was perhaps servers I was downloading from. Then I began to check certain sites, even with apt-get the connection drops after every 5-10 minutes or so. However I am not certain this was an issue when I first installed as I never used this to download large files. I might add that this is an atheros chipset.
[05:28] <transgress> mohohaha: mepis, lesbian, knoppix, xandros...
[05:28] <reka> gpd: right you are......a really old version about 4 years ago. :)
[05:28] <mohohaha> lesbian?
[05:28] <transgress> lesbian linux is a joke distro
[05:28] <transgress> but still a distro
[05:29] <Xyc0> puppy linux rocks
[05:29] <levander> Where are the system maintenance processes like updatedb configured in cron? I can't find them.
[05:29] <something_else> I was told by someone that this may be something to do with ath_hal, however I cannot find anything on apt related to hal apart from the restricted modules
[05:30] <nickrud> mohohaha, take a look at http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=independence, the derivatives od debian are shown there
[05:30] <something_else> So I went about reinstalling the restricted modules, however the problem remains
[05:30] <reka> levander: 'man cron' perhaps?
[05:30] <bimberi> levander: updatedb is in /etc/cron.daily/slocate
[05:31] <nickrud> levander, they're controlled by anacrontab, see /etc/anacrontab
[05:31] <mohohaha> holy cow
[05:31] <mohohaha> so many debian based
[05:31] <jasoncohen> something_else, the madwifi module is ath_pci. are you sure the problem isn't with your AP? i had an issue with my AP where it would drop routinely unless i restarted the router. I saw this in linux & windows
[05:31] <gpd> and lots based on knoppix, which is based on debian...
[05:31] <reka> mohohaha: now you can ask their channels why *they're* better than debian :)
[05:32] <nickrud> rofl
[05:32] <something_else> jasoncohen, I am certain its not the access point, as I dual boot
[05:32] <george__> Hi, can ubuntu work with RAR?
[05:32] <reka> george__: as in rar archives?
[05:32] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[05:32] <george__> GOOD
[05:32] <mohohaha> lol george__
[05:32] <jasoncohen> george__, yeah- check our unrar
[05:32] <george__> WINDOWS SUCKS!
[05:33] <mohohaha> lol
[05:33] <gpd> I AGREE!
[05:33] <george__> ...Jason, i am 2 frustrated with darn linux
[05:33] <george__> see
[05:33] <mohohaha> YAH WE ALL HATE WINDOWS
[05:33] <george__> i am getting my words wrong
[05:33] <gpd> go buy a MAC and install OSX... ;)
[05:33] <george__> windows put so much protection
[05:33] <george__> I AM 13
[05:33] <george__> I JUST BOUGHT NEW COMPUTER
[05:33] <gpd> figures
[05:33] <mohohaha> who give you money
[05:33] <george__> NO ONE
[05:33] <jasoncohen> windows put so much protection? is that even english?
[05:33] <mohohaha> did you steal money
[05:33] <george__> no
[05:34] <george__> yes it is
[05:34] <mohohaha> so where you get money to buy new computer
[05:34] <nate_> what command does linux use to check password complexity?
[05:34] <george__> Window validation crap here, windows update bs there
[05:34] <jasoncohen> you're using english words but that's not a coherent sentence, heh
[05:34] <shad0w1e> question: Im getting a million errors during boot and I cant see the first error because it scrolls too much . How do I make it that I only see the FIRST error?
[05:34] <pax> illegal indeed
[05:34] <george__> bye and thank u
[05:34] <ray_> whos 13
[05:34] <george__> me
[05:34] <george__> THEY THINK IT IS THAT FUCKING BAD!
[05:34] <Xyc0> I thought you were leaving
[05:34] <Mobius> wow.
[05:34] <nate_> anyone?
[05:35] <levander> bimberi: nickrud: thanks for the info.  I'm actually looking for where a file called /etc/blkid.tab is getting updated from.  I think it's getting updated from a program called blkid.  Any clues where this might be?
[05:35] <mohohaha> even kids use ubuntu
[05:35] <jasoncohen> gpd, is IRC legally responsible to check the age of its users?
[05:35] <pax> even non kids use ubuntu you should say
[05:35] <gpd> if he is admiting to being 13 he is probably 11 ;)
[05:35] <nickrud> levander, I've never seen that program, but I'd look on packages.ubuntu.com for it, so I could see it's package and docs
[05:35] <nate_> anyone?
[05:35] <jasoncohen> that's only for websites that take user information that could be considered private
[05:36] <bimberi> levander: there's a /sbin/blkid
[05:36] <jasoncohen> libblkid1: sbin/blkid
[05:36] <levander> nickrud: yeah, it's just annoying, this /etc/blkid.tab file keeps getting modified on /etc messing up my svk /etc repository, I've read the blkid man page and can't see why that program is useful.
[05:36] <reka> jasoncohen: not likely....there's been 12 yr olds in here
[05:36] <pax> most ubuntu users (atleast the irc crowd) are under 20 or in their early 20s
[05:36] <gpd> jasoncohen: Aren't there IM clients that ask you to confirm your age? eg. yahoo?
[05:37] <gpd> or am i dreaming that one up?
[05:37] <jasoncohen> Description: Block device id library
[05:37] <jasoncohen>  The blkid library which allows system programs like fsck and
[05:37] <jasoncohen>  mount to quickly and easily find block devices by filesystem UUID and
[05:37] <jasoncohen>  LABEL.
[05:37] <bddebian> Hey and some of us are OLD
[05:37] <jasoncohen> sorry- should have removed the line breaks
[05:37] <mohohaha> what happen to old people? they use windows 98?
[05:37] <reka> gpd: the yahoo account requires an age restriction
[05:37] <cafuego> soylent green
[05:37] <reka> heh
[05:37] <bddebian> heh
[05:37] <jasoncohen> gpd, i think you have to say you're over 13 to sign up for a yahoo acocunt- not for the client
[05:38] <mohohaha> is there any distribution for 50+
[05:38] <jasoncohen> but that's because you're giving your address, phone # and possibly other info
[05:38] <redtech_> good evening all
[05:38] <gpd> yeah, but it is difficult to use yahoo messenger without an account ;)
[05:38] <sorush20> guys.. I have a problem with running thunderbird.. can anyone help please..
[05:38] <jasoncohen> congress didn't want kids divulging private info without a parent
[05:38] <Mobius> whatsup sorush20
[05:38] <cafuego> mohohaha: Any distribution.
[05:38] <sorush20> I've pasted the output on the pastebin..
[05:38] <jasoncohen> and they didn't think kids were smart enough to lie i suppose
[05:38] <Kyral> sorush20, define problem
[05:38] <nickrud> levander, ok, there's a movement in debian to move all the volatile stuff from etc to var; maybe this one cannot be moved or just hasn't been moved
[05:38] <cafuego> mohohaha: Much like most others thibgs, it's a matter of not being a moron.
[05:38] <jdahm> hmm I was wondering if anyone could tell me why I cannot choose any res beyond 640x480 even though in my xorg.conf there is all the way up to 1280x1024 under my depth subsection
[05:39] <gpd> I don't really gas but it is a bit weird... i probably haven't spoken to anyone under 18 for years ;)
[05:39] <jdahm> and on gdm the font is realllllly small
[05:39] <jasoncohen> jdahm, could be that your monitor vertical/horizontal sync rate is misconfigured
[05:39] <gpd> correction: I am a bit weird...
[05:39] <jasoncohen> jdahm, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and make sure to select a monitor selection with at least 1280x1024 res
[05:39] <cafuego> gpd: There's a LOT of those on irc.
[05:39] <nickrud> gpd, here you have ;)
[05:39] <redtech_> excuse my ignorance but does it matter if the hda is ntfs when it comes to grub writing to mbr?  Or am I facing some other problem?
[05:39] <pax> ubotu tell jdahm about resolution
[05:40] <levander> nickrud: that is an excellent movement.  Volatile stuff like caches does not belong in /etc.  /etc is for configuration, not storing data.
[05:40] <jasoncohen> redtech, no, it doesn't
[05:40] <nickrud> redtech, no, the mbr is separate from partitions
[05:40] <jasoncohen> redtech, what problem are you having?
[05:41] <sorush20> I don't know what caused it.. i could be back shutdown, extensions install or ect.. but I do know that its not possible to run the TB on root or any other user ... all I want to do is run as the default user.. I was however at some point was able to make a new profile and run TB then... but I don't want to do that.. I want to fix so that I can run as default.. so... I'm here to ask...
[05:41] <jasoncohen> levander, if you need to find a package based on a file contained in that package you can either search on packages.ubuntu.com or better yet "sudo apt-get install apt-file ; apt-file update" and then "apt-file search filename"
[05:41] <redtech_> i got through an entire installation to hdb2 (im dual booting) then got to install grub and it simply failed.
[05:41] <nickrud> levander, apt-file is nice if you have bandwidth, yes
[05:42] <redtech_> just said it couldnt do it. o.O
[05:42] <cafuego> redtech_: Did you tell it to install to MBR?
[05:42] <jasoncohen> nickrud, the package that contains a list of files/packages is only 8-9 MB
[05:42] <sorush20> for help.. I have two types of problems  1) I get the message that the default user is in use - which can't can't be the case since I'm the only user
[05:42] <redtech_> cafuego, yes
[05:42] <jasoncohen> and you don't really have to upate it often
[05:43] <cafuego> redtech_: Tell it to try LILO instead
[05:43] <nickrud> jasoncohen, that's almost an hour on some links I've had
[05:43] <jasoncohen> sorush20, do you have TB open- "ps ax grep thunderbird"
[05:43] <jasoncohen> sorush20, "ps ax | grep thunderbird"
[05:43] <gpd> ok, this blows... the sun 1.4.2 appletviewer works but the firefox plugin is for ns610 and breaks it :(
[05:43] <jasoncohen> nickrud, ouch
[05:43] <cafuego> gpd: Use 1.5 then
[05:44] <gpd> cafuego: but 1.5 breaks with the thing i'm trying to use: pjirc
[05:44] <redtech_> cafuego, whats the easiest way to "rescue" this install? i need to boot hdb2.
[05:44] <jasoncohen> redtech, did it say why it failed? did it ask you where to install grub (did you run in advanced mode?)
[05:44] <levander> command completion doesn't work in bash after you type in 'sudo'?  There's a way to turn it on for that?
[05:44] <sorush20> jasoncohen, no.. i've checked that but I'll check again..
[05:45] <redtech_> it didnt give a reason, just said failed.  It did ask where to install it and I choose mbr on /dev/hda.  no I wasnt in advanced mode
[05:46] <jdahm> jasoncohen: I did all those steps and it still only lets me select 640x480
[05:47] <jasoncohen> jdahm, ok, then it probably recognized your vsync & hsync rates wrong
[05:48] <jasoncohen> !tell jasoncohen about resolution
[05:48] <sorush20> jasoncohen, I've pasted the outcome in the #flood
[05:48] <jdahm> jasoncohen: Im changing them now
[05:48] <gpd> hfs I found the 1.4.2 plugin and it all now works! yay for me ;)
[05:48] <jasoncohen> sorush20, now paste
[05:48] <sorush20> Okay..
[05:48] <jasoncohen> jdahm, try the "undetected monitor specs" step
[05:48] <sorush20> jasoncohen, did yo get it...
[05:48] <jdahm> jasoncohen: Im doing that
[05:49] <jasoncohen> jdahm, that was my problem- i needed to do that to get 1400x1050 @ 75 hz
[05:49] <jasoncohen> sorush20, clearly it's still running
[05:49] <jdahm> jasoncohen: I dont even have fresh rates...
[05:49] <jasoncohen> sorush20, "sudo kill 6470 6475"
[05:49] <jasoncohen> sorush20, then "ps ax | grep thunderbird" again
[05:50] <jasoncohen> jdahm, so add it in the the Monitor section
[05:50] <jasoncohen> just add the two lines and save
[05:50] <jasoncohen> and then restart X with "ctrl-alt-backspace"
[05:50] <sorush20> jasoncohen, I've pasted the result again..
[05:51] <sorush20> jasoncohen, in the flood..
[05:51] <jasoncohen> good- now try to start thunderbird
[05:51] <levander> jasoncohen: how is 'apt-file' different than 'dpkg -S'.  Does 'apt-file' search the online repositories instead of the local hard disks?
[05:51] <sorush20> I'll do it form the command.. oaky..
[05:52] <jasoncohen> levander, dpkg -S searches only through installed packages. apt-file searches through ALL available packages in ubuntu's repositories
[05:52] <sorush20> I'm sure its not going to work.... if your right.. I'll thank you.. in writing that is.. ;)
[05:52] <jasoncohen> levander, dpkg -S is useless if you're trying to fullfill a dependency...let's say you're compiling something and it says libX111.so.1 or something is needed. you can just apt-file search it
[05:53] <jdahm> hey how do I startup gdm again from terminal?
[05:53] <jasoncohen> sorush20, you can also kill zombie apps with gnome-system-monitor which is quite nice
[05:53] <jasoncohen> jdahm, "sudo gdm"
[05:53] <nickrud> jasoncohen, jdahm, better: sudo invoke-rc.d gdm start
[05:53] <levander> jasoncohen: so where does apt-file do it's searching to find libX111.so.1 in your example?  Does it search the online ubuntu repositories?
[05:54] <skalpel> does anyone else have trouble with small chirps when sound events try to play over music in gnome?
[05:54] <sorush20> jasoncohen, i'm getting the same error..
[05:54] <sorush20> jasoncohen, in flood..
[05:54] <nickrud> levander, no, you download the data about the repositories, then apt-file will search that data
[05:55] <nate_> what command does linux use to check password complexity?
[05:55] <jasoncohen> nickrud, or /etc/init.d/gdm start ?
[05:55] <sorush20> good night .all..
[05:56] <levander> nickrud: hmmm, interesting, would be ideal for people trying to backport
[05:56] <nickrud> jasoncohen, yeah, just not debian enough :)
[05:56] <jasoncohen> all 3 work
[05:56] <nickrud> levander, like jasoncohen said, it is especially nice for people looking for libs for compiling
[05:56] <jasoncohen> levander, it searches all the ubuntu repositories
[05:57] <nate_> anyone?
[05:57] <jasoncohen> apt-file update downloads a package with a list of every package in ubuntu and all the files in those packages
[05:57] <jasoncohen> sorush20, wait
[05:57] <jasoncohen> sorush20, your problem is that the default user either doesn't exist or it has been corrupted
[05:57] <jasoncohen> /home/sam/.mozilla-thunderbird/q5opq0cf.Default User: No such file or directory
[05:57] <jasoncohen> sorush20, did you alter anything in .mozilla-thunderbird?
[05:58] <MagicFab> hello
[05:58] <Kaiser_essen> hi
[05:58] <Kaiser_essen> bye
[05:59] <MagicFab> Does anyone know how to shutdown directly without confirmation from the desktop ?
[05:59] <nate_> no one knows?  now i really can't believe that
[05:59] <MagicFab> (other than goign to a term and sudo halt)
[06:00] <direwolf> well the driver works...kinda
[06:00] <direwolf> slight malfunction between the keyboard and the chair
[06:00] <strixy> MagicFab: Can you run command / reboot?
[06:00] <Xenguy> MagicFab: phear of the command-line? :-)
[06:01] <MagicFab> If I create a launcher with reboot/halt etc I have to provide the root password
[06:01] <davidmorales> hhh
[06:01] <MagicFab> Xenguy: convenience for a lazy user
[06:01] <MagicFab> :D
[06:01] <direwolf> echo?
[06:01] <benplaut> echo
[06:01] <davidmorales> im screwd
[06:01] <stevenj> why does ubuntu backports still contain firefox 1.0.6 (smart upgrade/dist upgrade) when 1.0.6 in the official?
[06:01] <strixy> <---- echo
[06:01] <Xenguy> MagicFab: heh - everyone should have open at least one xterm, all the time :-)
[06:02] <bob2> stevenj: because the backports people are being silly and out of date
[06:02] <bob2> or you haven\'t updated lately
[06:02] <jasoncohen> stevenj, use the official backports server
[06:02] <nickrud> davidmorales, probably not, if the right person is reading :)
[06:02] <BTJustice> I doubt if anyone remembers me from earlier (about 4 or 5 hours ago), but... THANK YOU FOR RECOMMENDING UBUNTU!!!
[06:02] <DonL> Help! Yesterday I was on here, and someone mentioned a free downloadable Windows program that would allow a windows box to see the files on a Linux machine
[06:02] <BTJustice> It is AWESOME!
[06:02] <DonL> Can't remember the name though
[06:02] <MagicFab> Xenguy: I can close a *session* without confirmation but I really want  a way to shutdown entirely
[06:02] <jasoncohen> stevenj, backports is still in a state of flux. it's currently switching to the official server and most stuff has been transfered but there's some stuff on the old server that really shouldn't be there
[06:02] <Xenguy> BTJustice: I had the same reaction ;-)
[06:02] <BTJustice> I would have been using Linux 3 years ago if it was this simple, lol.
[06:03] <Xenguy> MagicFab: it's the kind of job that should probably happen on the command-line anyway, no?
[06:03] <direwolf> tomorrow im gonna have to figure out how to set up my wireless in term then find out how to get it to start at boot
[06:03] <DonL> BTJustice, three years ago it wasn't this simple
[06:03] <HrdwrBoB> BTJustice: it wasn't this simple three years ago :)
[06:03] <direwolf> driver works but i couldnt get it to connect to ap
[06:03] <direwolf> so ndiswrapper for now
[06:03] <Xenguy> BTJustice: reminds me of a Beatles song off Sgt Peppers
[06:03] <DonL> HrdwrBoB, snap
[06:03] <davidmorales> i am screwd, i installed Ubuntu and now i cant get back to windows , or dont know how and i lost my backup dvd's
[06:03] <davidmorales> anyone know what i did wrong
[06:03] <BTJustice> I think I tried SuSE or RedHat last time.  Hated it.
[06:03] <MagicFab> DonL: check this http://sources.redhat.com/ml/cygwin/2005-05/msg00161.html
[06:03] <direwolf> at least im halfway there
[06:04] <DonL> thanks MagicFab
[06:04] <redtech_> can I "jumpstart" an installtion using the install cd?
[06:04] <direwolf> david are you sure you cant come up with a workaround?
[06:04] <strixy> davidm: did you install Ubuntu on the same HD as yoru Windows?
[06:04] <xaque> davidmorales: did you install GRUB?
[06:04] <davidmorales> ahh i think im being lazy at this moment
[06:04] <MagicFab> DonL: if your LInux files are on  a ext3 partition, I think you can do that
[06:04] <Xenguy> redtech_: what do you mean?
[06:04] <skalpel> how can i change my console font in ubuntu?
[06:04] <nickrud> davidmorales, join #flood, I have a lazy man's fix, for a standard install
[06:04] <MagicFab> skalpel: System | Preferences | Fonts
[06:05] <davidmorales> alright, that would be great
[06:05] <stevenj> jasoncohen, sorry for being stupid, what is the official backports these days ;)...I have been using mirrormax thansk
[06:05] <jasoncohen> BTJustice, linux has gone a long way in the past few years and it's getting better all the time
[06:05] <skalpel> magicfab: that does not let me change my console font =)
[06:05] <bimberi> !backports
[06:05] <ubotu> backports is, like, .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[06:05] <skalpel> magicfab: but thank you anyway
[06:05] <redtech_> Xenguy,  I have an Ubuntu installtion on /dev/hdb2 but no bootloader.  can I load that installtion using the ubuntu cd?
[06:05] <jasoncohen> stevenj, it's a recent change. you're not stupid, heh
[06:05] <arbir> is there a package to install JVM ?
[06:05] <jasoncohen> stevenj, just replace the old backports line with "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted"
[06:05] <Xenguy> redtech_: IC
[06:06] <BTJustice> I have so much work to do.  I need to import Windows e-mail from Outlook Express 6 and Outlook 2003 into Evolution.
[06:06] <strixy> skalpel: setting - font - custom. Select font size, etc... then select save as default.
[06:06] <MagicFab> skalpel: then in your term preferences check the box "use system font" (or similar) in the default profile
[06:06] <BTJustice> jasoncohen:  I agree.
[06:06] <stevenj> jasoncohen, thanks
[06:06] <cafuego> BTJustice: Best way to do that is via thunderbird or using an IMAP server. I suggest the latter.
[06:07] <MagicFab> arbir: check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[06:07] <cafuego> and once it's imapped, clients no longer matters
[06:08] <BTJustice> Because of MBOX format?
[06:08] <stevenj> jasoncohen, guess its still not ready because it gives errors...no such file or directory and so on and so on....
[06:08] <arbir> MagicFab: thanks let me check.. b.t.w what is wiki.. i keep seeing wiki.. cant make out .. can you point to me a link which can explain wiki ?
[06:08] <jasoncohen> arbir, the easiest way is to just use hoary-extras and "sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5"
[06:08] <skalpel> magicfab: i mean in my console, like outside of X? not my terminal font, i have that set how i want
[06:08] <jasoncohen> stevenj, no- it works fine
[06:08] <cafuego> even my in-laws use that system now :-)
[06:08] <nickrud> imap's on one machine :)
[06:08] <arbir> jasoncohen: let me try that
[06:08] <MagicFab> A wiki is a web application that allows users to add content, as on an Internet forum, but also allows anyone to edit the content. The term Wiki also refers to the collaborative software used to create such a website (see Wiki software).
[06:08] <jasoncohen> stevenj, "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-backports main restricted universe multiverse"
[06:09] <MagicFab> (from Wikipedia.com)
[06:09] <bob2> skalpel: google knows the answer, but it's usually not worth bothering with
[06:09] <BTJustice> Is there a network status icon that can be displayed by the clcok to show IP address, speed, and such?
[06:09] <jasoncohen> !tell arbir about multimedia repositories
[06:09] <jasoncohen> arbir, you need to add hoary-extras first. follow the instructions on my page
[06:09] <arbir> jasoncohen: going there :-)
[06:09] <stevenj> jasoncohen, http://rafb.net/paste/results/22sBjO89.html
[06:09] <MagicFab> BTJustice: sure, add the network status applet
[06:09] <skalpel> bob2: i was hoping there was a porgram that would let me edit my boot configurations, such as font size and images etc
[06:10] <bob2> skalpel: there isn't
[06:10] <arbir> jasoncohen: where is ur page ?
[06:10] <BTJustice> MagicFab: How do I do that?
[06:10] <bob2> skalpel: there's a program for setting the console font, tho, yes
[06:10] <DonL> MagicFab, I think I'm on the default ext3, so I'll go over to the windows and try to download it.
[06:10] <jasoncohen> !tell arbir about multimedia repositories
[06:10] <skalpel> bob2: what is it called?
[06:10] <jasoncohen> and if you're interested in multimedia support on ubuntu
[06:10] <MagicFab> skalpel: I recall seing something in the HOWTOs...
[06:10] <levander> Anybody know if anybody if working on improving udftools?  I'm convinced that the current version just does not work. I looked at their CVS repository on sourceforge.  Looked like the most recently modified file was 17 months ago.
[06:10] <jasoncohen> !tell arbir about multimedia
[06:10] <arbir> thanks.... let me see it
[06:11] <bob2> skalpel: dude, http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+set+console+font
[06:11] <strixy> skalpel/bob2: Is it in .bashrc?
[06:11] <stevenj> jasoncohen, thats the error :)
[06:11] <bob2> strixy: is what in bashrc?
[06:11] <levander> That that CVS repository hasn't been modified in 17 months is a pretty good sign that nobodies working on it? At all?
[06:11] <strixy> bob2 the font selector
[06:11] <levander> There's a better place to check?
[06:11] <bob2> levander: asking the actual developers would be a better idea
[06:11] <jasoncohen> stevenj, works fine here- just did an apt-get update
[06:11] <strixy> nope, it's not
[06:12] <bob2> ranting on a user channel is highly unlikely to even find someone who knows what udftools is
[06:12] <levander> bob2: what disc are you using to backup your system?
[06:12] <bob2> levander: disk?
[06:12] <levander> bob2: lol @ ranting
[06:12] <bob2> levander: I just burn iso-9660 dvds
[06:12] <stevenj> jasoncohen, this is error I get in terminal -- E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavail able) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another proc ess using it?
[06:12] <levander> bob2:  i thought you said that you backed up with rsync?
[06:13] <jasoncohen> stevenj, a) did you run with sudo - "sudo apt-get update", b) do you have synaptic open, c) are you using apt-get at the moment?
[06:13] <BTJustice> Is there a network status icon that can be displayed by the clcok to show IP address, speed, and such?  If so, how?
[06:13] <arbir> thanks jasoncohen i am getting it via apt ... this is so easy to use this distro is :-)
[06:14] <MagicFab> skalpel: not sure if this can lead you somewhere... but here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=50054
[06:14] <bob2> levander: oh, for my laptop, yeah
[06:14] <skalpel> bob2: can you help me with installing a program from shell script?
[06:14] <stevenj> jasoncohen, I had synaptic open...err opps
[06:14] <bob2> skalpel: not unless you're a jillion times more specific
[06:15] <bob2> levander: not even hacked together, it's just a one line rsync all that's in my shell history
[06:15] <levander> bob2: ah, yeah, i see.  That's really one of the few reasons I *really* want udftools.  So that I can backup with rsync and hard links.  Wouldn't have to change my dvd-rw for months and would have a full backup nightly...
[06:15] <jasoncohen> !tell arbir about multimedia
[06:15] <jasoncohen> arbir, now install more stuff ;)
[06:15] <bob2> levander: the udf format supports hardlinks?
[06:16] <levander> bob2: I would assume.  I haven't checked because I can't even get it working.  I'll go see if I can find out now.  I think I saw a reference somewhere that it did.
[06:17] <bob2> I'd be pretty surprised if it did
[06:17] <arbir> awesine jasoncohen
[06:17] <arbir> *awesome*
[06:17] <BTJustice> Is there a network status icon that can be displayed by the clcok to show IP address, speed, and such?  If so, how?
[06:17] <arbir> where is the kdm config file... i can only see the gdm config file under /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf
[06:18] <stevenj> cool now firefox is now taken out of the "official" bp thanks for the help :) :)
[06:18] <jasoncohen> BTJustice, yes
[06:18] <levander> bob2: still looking, but I know iso9660 with Rock Ridge supports soft links...
[06:18] <bob2> BTJustice: asking over and over is kinda annoying
[06:18] <jasoncohen> BTJustice, right click an empty space on the top panel, choose add to panel and then choose "Network Monitor"
[06:18] <bob2> BTJustice: did you look at the applets you already have?
[06:19] <levander> BTJustice: you tried #gnome?
[06:19] <jasoncohen> click on the network monitor to get ip/gateway/subnet and activity info
[06:19] <nate__> hello
[06:20] <skalpel> bob2: the usual way to install a program in linux uiis to use the 'install' shell script, correct?
[06:20] <jasoncohen> BTJustice, it will show signal strength on the panel for wireless
[06:20] <jasoncohen> quite nice
[06:20] <arbir> got it :-) i found it
[06:20] <bob2> skalpel: no, not at all
[06:20] <arbir> man..... now i am finding this channel inspiring
[06:20] <bob2> skalpel: again, you're being annoyingly vague
[06:20] <jasoncohen> skalpel, in ubuntu- the usual way is to use apt-get or syanaptic (or aptitude) to install the .deb package from ubuntu's servers
[06:20] <bob2> skalpel: if you're trying to install something in particulr, say so
[06:20] <arbir> is going down to his basement to check on his server
[06:21] <bob2> skalpel: the general method is "sudo aptitude install blah"
[06:21] <jasoncohen> skalpel, for a new user- you'll want to use synaptic which is a graphical program to install/remove/upgrade packages
[06:21] <skalpel> bob2: console tools o.2.3
[06:21] <jasoncohen> very simple to use
[06:21] <skalpel> jasoncohen: i can use synaptic, but this does not have a package, at least i do not think so
[06:21] <nickrud> BTJustice, I use the netspeed package, I think it will give you the data you are looking for
[06:21] <skalpel> i am curious about installing programs that are NOT in synaptic
[06:21] <jasoncohen> skalpel, what package?
[06:21] <bob2> skalpel: it's priority: important, so you almost certainly already have it
[06:21] <jasoncohen> skalpel, you probably just need to enable universe or multiverse
[06:21] <bob2> skalpel: also, do not install critical things like console-tools from source, unless you really do know what you're doing
[06:22] <jasoncohen> um, console-tools is in main
[06:22] <bob2> skalpel: the optimal solution depends on the software you are talking about
[06:22] <redtech_> omg.  i just reinstalled and it installed grub
[06:22] <jasoncohen> sudo apt-get install console-tools
[06:22] <jasoncohen> redtech, heh
[06:22] <skalpel> bob2: you are right, i do have it
[06:22] <nickrud> redtech, and, did it work :)
[06:22] <skalpel> bob2: where are programs like that usually stored? because i do not know what the executable would be named
[06:22] <jasoncohen> skalpel, if you find you're missing applications you want enable universe and multiverse and there's a 99% chance it'll have what you want
[06:23] <redtech_> slamming my head intot he wall?  well yes!   heh yeah grub worked
[06:23] <bob2> skalpel: dpkg -L console-tools | grep /bin
[06:23] <benplaut> can someone recommend to me a good, cheap router that is reliable? at my school, our router only lets some people connect, and many of us (me included) won't connect. i'm making a fundraiser to get us a new one, but i need to know what, first :P
[06:23] <jasoncohen> skalpel, main/restricted only has 3,000 packages or so. if you enable universe & multiverse you'll have over 16,000 to choose from!
[06:23] <benplaut> somehwere around $20-30
[06:23] <bob2> skalpel: that will print all files in the package, that include /bin in their (in practice, all the programs it installed)
[06:23] <bob2> benplaut: an old pc with a few network cards and linux
[06:23] <jasoncohen> benplaut, there are plenty of good wired routers in that price range
[06:23] <benplaut> wireless
[06:23] <bob2> any old PC will be handle the bandwidth your school has
[06:23] <skalpel> bob2: alright
[06:23] <bob2> then stick a wireless card in it
[06:23] <jasoncohen> benplaut, 802.11g?
[06:24] <benplaut> yeah
[06:24] <bob2> linksys wrt54g's are quite nice, tho
[06:24] <stevenj> now with backports everything is working good again...I never noticed gaim have room lists...that must be something new...kinda neat anyway
[06:24] <auk> ray: i'm thirteen
[06:24] <Madpilot> greetings, ubuntunians
[06:24] <benplaut> bah... too expensive
[06:24] <benplaut> hello Madpilot
[06:24] <xaque> hell
[06:24] <xaque> *o
[06:24] <jasoncohen> benplaut, $20-30 is cutting it too close...you're going to get crap for that price
[06:24] <benplaut> oh, and the term is now "ubunut"
[06:24] <xaque> hello
[06:24] <benplaut> jadoncohen: bah... i have a cheap no-name in my house that is great, but that was just luck :P
[06:24] <jasoncohen> stevenj, room lists are available for yahoo - not AIM
[06:24] <jasoncohen> did you add a new account?
[06:25] <stevenj> jasoncohen, well I only use yahoo actually....but I never room lists before upgrading...
[06:25] <jasoncohen> benplaut, and i bought a cheap netgear router and spent hours on tech support with them because of problems i had...i went through 6 ...count 'em - 6 routers!
[06:25] <benplaut> well, i guess i'll just go for a more expensive WRT54G, then :(
[06:25] <jasoncohen> benplaut, they ended up sending me a router 2x the price that still had problems so i run both in router + static AP mode and it still doesn't work that well
[06:25] <benplaut> this one we have that doesn't work is a DLink... my ... is it a Planet brand? is fine
[06:26] <benplaut> hmm
[06:26] <stevenj> jasoncohen, in any case it works just like I remember the real yahoo msg working :)
[06:26] <jasoncohen> stevenj, yeah- gaim is nice...especially for multiple accounts
[06:26] <skalpel> has anyone else had trouble with add/remove programs not working?
[06:26] <benplaut> uboto ubuntu is an ubuntu fanatic
[06:26] <benplaut> woops
[06:26] <jasoncohen> skalpel, that's because you've installed smeg and thus pyxdg .14
[06:27] <stevenj> jasoncohen, I will defin. create a new account..I logged into a room and forgot...crap I dont want them to see my real account name....:o
[06:27] <jasoncohen> skalpel, python-xdg .14 broke gnome-app-install (is that what it's called)...there's a patch
[06:27] <skalpel> jasoncohen: i did not realise this would be a problem
[06:27] <jasoncohen> skalpel, one sec
[06:27] <skalpel> jasoncohen: where at?
[06:27] <skalpel> jasoncohen: ok
[06:27] <nickrud> jasoncohen, don't dis Amaranth
[06:27] <benplaut> hi Amaranth :P
[06:27] <bob2> Amaranth: dude, conflict with gnome-app-installer if you're going to break it
[06:27] <bob2> Amaranth: (in the pyxdg package, that is)
[06:27] <jasoncohen> nickrud, huh?
[06:27] <Amaranth> bob2: Talk to backports guys.
[06:27] <bob2> wtf
[06:27] <nickrud> jasoncohen, np, a joke
[06:28] <jasoncohen> nickrud, i didn't- in fact he helped me get smeg working
[06:28] <nickrud> I hunt those who hide :)
[06:28] <bob2> Amaranth: where are they on IRC?
[06:28] <Amaranth> err, here and -devel
[06:28] <benplaut> !ubunut
[06:29] <ubotu> hmm... ubunut is an ubuntu fanatic
[06:29] <benplaut> hehe... nice
[06:29] <bob2> bah
[06:29] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, do you know the webpage for the fix?
[06:29] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: nope, lost in bugzilla
[06:29] <jasoncohen> i can't find it...i searched all gnome-app-install bugs on ubuntu bugzilla
[06:29] <levander> bob2: from http://www.osta.org/specs/pdf/udf260.pdf (Official UDF spec) section 2.3.6.8: "Hard links to directories are not allowed".  I assume that that means to hard links to regular files are allowed.  Note that ext3 has the same restriction.
[06:30] <stevenj> if any BP guys are here you defin. did a good job fixing up BPs...I'm checking everything out and its working good
[06:30] <bob2> levander: all modenr unix filesystems have that restriction
[06:30] <levander> bob2: that's closest I can get without studying the structure of that 168 page document.
[06:30] <levander> bob2: but I think that means that udf does have hard links
[06:30] <bob2> ok
[06:30] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, damn- i wish ubuntu had something like debian-bts with reportbug, querybts etc. ..bugzilla sucks
[06:31] <bob2> apparently one day lp will have that
[06:31] <jasoncohen> it was so much easier to find bugs with reportbug
[06:31] <levander> bob2: so you gonna go rant amongst the ubuntu developers and get us udf for dvd-rw's now???
[06:31] <Amaranth> at least bugzilla is searchable from a website
[06:31] <jasoncohen> and to report them
[06:31] <Amaranth> i mean, sanely
[06:31] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, as is BTS
[06:31] <xaque> bugzilla is cool
[06:31] <bob2> levander: hey, I have no power over anyone
[06:31] <nickrud> jasoncohen, and to realize someone was there first, usually
[06:31] <bob2> Amaranth: google + debian bts = winx0r
[06:31] <bob2> levander: have you filed a bug on udftools?
[06:31] <Amaranth> bob2: google is a poor replacement for good searching
[06:31] <levander> bob2: yeah, yeah, rallying the natives to influence the powerful is always a pain in the ass i guess
[06:31] <Amaranth> bob2: so is grep
[06:32] <bob2> Amaranth: how so?
[06:32] <Amaranth> bob2: it works but don't expect users to do it
[06:32] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, reportbug is easy to use...and the site isn't that bad
[06:32] <nolan> I get super crappy fonts in any core-font app (emacs is the one that I care about) in ubuntu.  I've not seen this with debian.  xfontsel only shows one pt size for truetype fonts, and they look very bad.  What an I screwing up here?
[06:32] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, at least i can find all the bugs on a package in BTS!
[06:32] <bob2> Amaranth: searching seems to be less important on the BTS since it's so easy to find all the bugs on a package
[06:32] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: err, and you can't in bugzilla?
[06:32] <jasoncohen> skalpel, i can't seem to find it
[06:32] <skalpel> jasoncohen: if i un-install smeg will it work again?
[06:32] <jasoncohen> i'll try bugzilla
[06:33] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, bugzilla only shows 11 bugs on gnome-app-install - none that i'm looking for
[06:33] <jasoncohen> skalpel, no- the problem is the new python-xdg
[06:33] <bob2> levander: no, ranting at developers is just annoying to them, too; filing details bugs is the way to get things fixed and noticed
[06:33] <Amaranth> skalpel: and if you have backports enabled you have to get rid of it
[06:33] <skalpel> i believe i do have backports enabled. how do i get rid of it?
[06:33] <Amaranth> personally i find gnome-app-install in hoary to be basically useless, appearently most people agree with me
[06:34] <benplaut> Amaranth: how's Smeg going?  :P
[06:34] <dbernar1> who knows how to make a picture file out of a movie file?
[06:34] <Amaranth> seeing how this was broken for probably a month before anyone noticed
[06:34] <bob2> mencoder + png output
[06:34] <jasoncohen> skalpel, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11871
[06:34] <skalpel> how do i find out which version of the kernal i am using?
[06:34] <jasoncohen> skalpel, download and apply the patch
[06:34] <jasoncohen> it's easy
[06:34] <bob2> Amaranth: it's broken in hoary? or only broken when the new pyxdg is installed?
[06:34] <skalpel> ok
[06:34] <bob2> skalpel: uname -r
[06:34] <Amaranth> benplaut: hasn't at all since the last screenshot i showed you
[06:35] <Amaranth> bob2: pyxdg
[06:35] <dbernar1> bob2: great! what do I do? read something on mencoder perhaps?
[06:35] <bob2> Amaranth: if the latter, I think that just suggests that "people who used those backports don't use g-a-i"
[06:35] <nickrud> lol
[06:35] <Amaranth> bob2: the overlap between smeg and backports users and g-a-i users is very small
[06:35] <Amaranth> yeah, what you said
[06:35] <benplaut> Amaranth: well, i really don't care much anymore, considering that .75 is the last version for Hoary...
[06:35] <levander> bob2: I filed a bug at launchpad about a week ago.  Nobody's responded.
[06:35] <jasoncohen> bob2, well, in breezy gnome-app-install will actually show enough applications + info that it might actually be useful
[06:36] <Amaranth> benplaut: it'll work in hoary, you'll just see things in smeg differently than in the real menus
[06:36] <levander> bob2: looking at launchpad, the vast majority of the bugs have no response to them.
[06:36] <bob2> ok, I've never used it, I just get annoyed by baseless assertions :)
[06:36] <bob2> levander: yes, there's very few universe people
[06:36] <Amaranth> benplaut: because 0.8 will let you put in separators and reorder things but the menus don't actually support that in hoary
[06:36] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, what crap... a search for gnome-app-install doesn't show bug 11871 on package gnome-app-install
[06:36] <bob2> and LP is the friendliest system to reply to bugs with
[06:37] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: you didn't define your search terms properly
[06:37] <levander> bob2: i've actually been looking at doing it myself, but think that wishful thinking, i've never done hardware level coding.
[06:37] <nickrud> levander, give them a chance, bug squashing always comes late
[06:37] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, it says "enter a bug # or some search terms" -  a package name is a search term
[06:37] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, how should i have done it?
[06:37] <dbernar1> ok,. well, I hjust got an email from this email address: nitaigouranga@aol.com. It says: "Call out Gouranga be happy!!!\nGouranga Gouranga Gouranga ....\nThat which brings the highest happiness!!"
[06:37] <dbernar1> weird ppl.
[06:37] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: simple search doesn't search against package names
[06:38] <nickrud> oh, Gourandga
[06:38] <dbernar1> you know something about this?
[06:38] <nickrud> yeah, google it, there's a lot
[06:38] <dbernar1> ok
[06:38] <dbernar1> good idea
[06:38] <nickrud> :)
[06:38] <levander> nickrud: that's kind of why i'm asking right now, don't mean to rant, but am just wondering if anybody's heard of anybody working on udftools.  So that there is somebody to squash bugs on udftools late.  I'd be more than happy if udftools were working for breezy.
[06:38] <dbernar1> gta?
[06:38] <skalpel> jasoncohen: i seem to be having trouble installing this patch, can you help me out?
[06:39] <dbernar1> wtf I dont care about that...why did someone send me this? Spam?
[06:39] <jasoncohen> skalpel, download  gnome-app-install-v3.tar.gz, then "tar zxvf gnome-app-install-v3.tar.gz" and cd gai. then "sudo ./install-gai.sh
[06:39] <f_newton> spam?
[06:39] <nickrud> levander, I have had hopes for udftoos for years. Don't hold your breath
[06:39] <f_newton> spam and eggs or just spam?
[06:39] <dbernar1> not sure even if its spam yet.
[06:39] <benplaut> ubotu smeg is Simple Menu Editor for Gnome- you can find it in the Backports repository, or at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=67
[06:39] <ubotu> ...but smeg is already something else...
[06:39] <benplaut> woops
[06:39] <levander> nickrud: ack! years? damn
[06:39] <Amaranth> benplaut: grr
[06:39] <levander> nickrud: okay, guess I can officially forget it then.
[06:39] <benplaut> hmm
[06:40] <skalpel> jasoncohen: i did that and i got a bunch of errors saying 'directory does not exist' would you like me to paste it?
[06:40] <benplaut> didn't show up when i tried before
[06:40] <nickrud> levander, good move
[06:40] <levander> nickrud: just wish somebody would have told me that before I spent two and a half days of free time about a week ago trying to get it working.
[06:40] <f_newton> go to rafb.net/paste or something
[06:40] <benplaut> ahh... when /msging ubotu, dont use a "!" :P
[06:40] <jasoncohen> skalpel, what directory? what gave you the error?
[06:40] <jasoncohen> skalpel, paste in #flood
[06:40] <dbernar1> so you guys think its spam or someone trying to scare me?
[06:40] <nickrud> levander, I hadn't looked for a while, thanks for being my scout ;P
[06:41] <`Xenocide> question about video: does totem work with .mkvs well yet?
[06:41] <f_newton> dbernar1, how in the world would anyone know... what are you talking about, maybe I just came in late
[06:41] <nickrud> dbernar1, it is definite spam
[06:41] <dbernar1> great.
[06:41] <levander> nickrud: think i'm going to modify that bug entry i put in to say that if it's not working, they should at least put a note in the package so people don't waste time trying to get it to work.
[06:41] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, can i just search by package name?
[06:41] <dbernar1> f_newton: not important, its spam.
[06:41] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: for some reason i can't bring that bug up with a search :P
[06:41] <nickrud> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gouranga dbernar1
[06:41] <f_newton> spam is an unfortunate result of letting the eastern block get internet access
[06:41] <dbernar1> I just never get sp[am, that is why I was like....wtf./..
[06:41] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: this have never happened before...
[06:42] <jasoncohen> i personally think debian BTS is more straightforward...more options but searching by maintainer, package name, bug description was easy
[06:42] <Xenguy> dbernar1: it only gets better :P
[06:42] <f_newton> lol Xenguy
[06:42] <dbernar1> haha
[06:42] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, i can't figure out how to just search by package name...i want all bugs on gnome-app-install.
[06:42] <Goodspeed> i accidently deleted the top panel!!
[06:42] <dbernar1> Im opening a new email address, it seems.
[06:42] <f_newton> xenguy when ubuntu upgrades its version of evolution you will get a darn good antispam tool
[06:42] <Goodspeed> can i get it back?!?
[06:42] <jasoncohen> why does ubuntu use bugzilla?
[06:42] <dbernar1> or not yet, whatever.
[06:43] <dbernar1> ok, sorry to bother you guys.
[06:43] <f_newton> anyone who is anyone in the software biz uses bugzilla
[06:43] <Xenguy> f_newton: evo is integrating an anti-spam tool?
[06:43] <levander> f_newton: bugzilla is a bitch to administer, I use roundup which is much easier to
[06:43] <f_newton> the junk mail filter in the newer version that fedora uses is much better then the one ubuntu uses
[06:43] <Goodspeed> is there anyway to get the top panel with the date and time back if you delete it?
[06:44] <jasoncohen> f_newton, why...it's not that good
[06:44] <f_newton> sure Goodspeed
[06:44] <Goodspeed> how?
[06:44] <dbernar1> Goodspeed: well for one, you can cerate a new uiser. that will do it.
[06:44] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&component=gnome-app-install ?
[06:44] <Goodspeed> what about my current one?
[06:44] <f_newton> right click on your taskbar and choose add to panel
[06:44] <dbernar1> Another thing is that you can add "a" panekl, and give it twhat you want on it.
[06:44] <jasoncohen> f_newton, i thought debian BTS was far better at finding and reporing bugs. reportbug and listbugs were great
[06:44] <Xenguy> f_newton: I use spamassassin currently; it seems to catch 95% or whatever
[06:44] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: basically what it comes down to is that bugzilla is easier for casual users
[06:44] <dbernar1> I heard of someone getting it back without even doing anything, some kind of reset.
[06:44] <f_newton> well I get on average 15 pieces of junk per hour
[06:45] <dbernar1> not not doing anything, but just resettings.
[06:45] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: developers are more important in BTS, users are more important in bugzilla
[06:45] <f_newton> i imagine it would be a lot worse without assasin
[06:45] <levander> f_newton: you gotta change your email address man, that's ridiculous
[06:45] <dbernar1> pretty bad.
[06:45] <jasoncohen> heh...i want BTS back
[06:45] <Goodspeed> i dont have the task bar
[06:45] <nmsa> where can I find sudo history ? is there a complete log of all commands since ever installed ?
[06:45] <f_newton> levander its what happens when you have web site
[06:45] <f_newton> sites
[06:45] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, so, you can't just use BTS and make an easy to use website?
[06:45] <dbernar1> Goodspeed: whats a task bar? a bar with squares representing apps, like the bottom one in windows?
[06:45] <Xenguy> levander: after a few years, that's what seems to happen with spam
[06:46] <f_newton> yep
[06:46] <levander> f_newton: you can't get boxtrapper or something to stop that?
[06:46] <skalpel> i think i just ran out of things to fix in ubuntu. what do i do now? =)
[06:46] <f_newton> i have a spam email acct in hotmail
[06:46] <Goodspeed> no f_newton said clikc on the taskbar
[06:46] <Goodspeed> all i have is the bottom one that shows my active programs
[06:46] <f_newton> I get about 60 a day
[06:46] <levander> Xenguy: I've had my email address for years, get about 15 a day
[06:46] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, where is the advanced search functionality for ubuntu's bugzilla...i don't think that debian's BTS site was hard to use at all. why do you think it's too difficult for users?
[06:46] <Goodspeed> i deleted the top one
[06:46] <xaque> skalpel: go to disneyland!
[06:46] <dbernar1> click on the bottom panel, and select new panel,
[06:46] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, i'm having a more difficult time using bugzilla
[06:46] <f_newton> goodspeed then click on that one... do you want the upper taskbar back?
[06:46] <Goodspeed> yea
[06:46] <Goodspeed> i want all of it back
[06:46] <Goodspeed> :(
[06:46] <Xenguy> levander: I get a lot also (I don't even know how much anymore honestly)
[06:47] <f_newton> I think you can restore it hang on a sec
[06:47] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, i see...edit search at the bottom brings up advanced search options
[06:47] <f_newton> yer talking gnome right?
[06:47] <toran> does anyone know how to get magnet links working with firefox in ubuntu?
[06:47] <Goodspeed> yeap
[06:47] <f_newton> good
[06:47] <johnnybezak> hey guys, is there a way to set proxy settings for epiphany ?
[06:47] <f_newton> I refer kde problems to .... uh the round file... no someone else
[06:47] <johnnybezak> (i just got my wireless card working with dnis :D )
[06:47] <Xenguy> Ubuntu's Firefox seems to default to opening text files with 'gedit'; how can I convince FF to open text files with a different editor?
[06:47] <jasoncohen> f_newton,
[06:47] <skalpel> how do i install a kernel patch from a .diff file?
[06:47] <jasoncohen> f_newton, but both fedora and ubuntu have thunderbird 1.0.6
[06:48] <jasoncohen> why does fedora have a newer junk filter?
[06:48] <f_newton> thunderbird wont resize in my small lappy screen to set up properly
[06:48] <f_newton> so it sux to mke
[06:48] <f_newton> uh me
[06:48] <skalpel> is there a better aim client for gnome than gaim? on ethat has more functions, such as direct connection?
[06:48] <levander> jasoncohen: fedora doesn't freeze packages and only release bug fixes.  They release new functionality after they make their release.
[06:48] <f_newton> ok Goodspeed you there?
[06:48] <Goodspeed> yeap
[06:48] <Veon> Hi! Does anyone know if there is somekind of program for Ubuntu Linux like ISObuster?
[06:48] <nickrud> johnnybezak, I think epiphany respects system->preferences->network proxy
[06:49] <f_newton> find a blank spot on your lower task bar and right click
[06:49] <jasoncohen> levander, i know- but as i said the security team made an exception for mozilla products. ubuntu has the latest version of thunderbird- 1.0.6
[06:49] <levander> skalpel: i looked for something like that once, never found one
[06:49] <f_newton> Goodspeed, click on new panel
[06:49] <jasoncohen> Veon, if you just want to burn an iso, you can right click the iso and choose burn to disk from nautilus :)
[06:49] <f_newton> drag that sucka up to the top spot
[06:49] <johnnybezak> nickrud: roger that ill check it out
[06:49] <jasoncohen> Veon, gnomebaker is also quite nice
[06:49] <levander> jasoncohen: my bad, didn't read whole conversation
[06:49] <skalpel> levander: i know netscape comes with aim but i would rather not use that browser
[06:50] <nickrud> johnnybezak, let me know for the future, I use epiphany a lot
[06:50] <Veon> jasoncohen, No I need to open an nrg file
[06:50] <f_newton> then go to that new task bar right click and start the add to panel stuff
[06:50] <johnnybezak> nickrud: you don't know what that's called from the cli do you ?
[06:50] <jasoncohen> levander, heh- i'm not a newb. I know how ubuntu & fedora operate
[06:50] <f_newton> until you get it back like you want it
[06:50] <f_newton> k?
[06:50] <Goodspeed> ok
[06:50] <levander> skalpel: when I looked, I didn't even find that netscape had it.  You've found more than I did.
[06:50] <johnnybezak> nickrud: yeah sure :)
[06:50] <jasoncohen> Veon, ah, ok
[06:50] <Veon> Anyone here know how to open an .nrg file?
[06:50] <aru> skalpel: I use gaim and haven't had a problem with it, whats the down fall of it?
[06:51] <dbernar1> Goodspeed: another way to do it would be to add a new user. Yo9u could not name it the same as this one, tho, so...I mean, not suer which would take less time.
[06:51] <f_newton> but yes thunderbird does have a superior junk mail filter
[06:51] <Goodspeed> nah ill just put everything back
[06:51] <Goodspeed> its not like its going to be hard
[06:51] <xaque> veon: i think .nrg files are created by nero
[06:51] <`Xenocide> veon: i think k3b can open a .nrg CD Image, but you'd have to install it and KDE
[06:51] <benplaut> nero for linux?
[06:51] <BeefTube> can we play soldst with ubuntu wine?
[06:51] <levander> aru: i personally just don't like the UI.  Looks to cutesy to me.  Plus don't like the way it opens new tab windows for everything.
[06:51] <BeefTube> soldat
[06:51] <benplaut> you don't have to install all of KDE, just about 2 libs
[06:51] <skalpel> aru: well i just noticed that i was not able to establish a direct connection with another aim user, something that the windows client does.
[06:51] <levander> aru: it's all preference stuff though why I don't like it.
[06:51] <benplaut> it's not as bad as people think
[06:51] <Madpilot> you can run K3B without the entire KDE desktop
[06:51] <f_newton> I like gnome a lot levander
[06:52] <f_newton> oh you mean thunderbird?
[06:52] <skalpel> how do i install a kernel patch from a .diff file?
[06:52] <levander> f_newton: I was just talking about gaim
[06:52] <f_newton> thunderbird is a superior mail ui
[06:52] <aru> skalpel: theres always the kopete if you want to install the kde crap
[06:52] <skalpel> aru: i do not =)
[06:52] <Veon> `Xenocide, hmm, I'll see if I can do without opening it then.
[06:52] <f_newton> ah gaim ... u can change its look n feel
[06:52] <aru> skalpel: good :)
[06:52] <HrdwrBoB> aru: or you could stab your eyes out with a hot poker
[06:52] <Veon> Thnx for the help guys!
[06:52] <levander> skalpel: you know the gaim developers hang out in #gaim
[06:52] <skalpel> i already made the mistake of switching to kde once, i am done withit
[06:52] <aru> heh
[06:52] <skalpel> levander: ok
[06:52] <f_newton> I wish thunderbird would resize for me
[06:52] <f_newton> sigh
[06:52] <f_newton> I would not use evo again
[06:52] <jay> Anyone care to help me out with getting windows back? x.X
[06:52] <nickrud> skalpel, skoal :)
[06:52] <benplaut> i like KDE, but my computer is too slow for my tastes when using it
[06:53] <levander> skalpel: why didn't you like KDE?
[06:53] <skalpel> because gnome is better
[06:53] <skalpel> imo
[06:53] <johnnybezak> haha nice answer
[06:53] <SquareGuy> skalpel, i'll second that ;)
[06:53] <skalpel> k
[06:53] <benplaut> jay: instert windows CD, press enter a few times, wait around for a few hours for it to finish
[06:53] <levander> skalpel: oh, i see you've done very in depth comparison...
[06:53] <nickrud> rofl
[06:53] <jay> Problem is I don't have a windows cd.
[06:53] <johnnybezak> sorry anyone know what the gnome proxy settings tool is called (cli command)
[06:53] <benplaut> ahh
[06:54] <levander> jay: that is a problem
[06:54] <skalpel> i installed kubuntu first, and i liked it
[06:54] <skalpel> i just like gnome better
[06:54] <jay> I need to download and burn the image, but I do not know how to install things with linux.
[06:54] <skalpel> i might get bored and go back to it someday but i doubt it
[06:54] <benplaut> well then, jay, my friend, you can either spend $200+, or... other methods
[06:54] <aru> jay: what are you trying to do?
[06:54] <benplaut> actually, it wouldn't be illegal as long as you use your own key, right?
[06:54] <levander> skalpel: i've been meaning to check out e17.  I used to use DR16 and loved it.  Till it got kind of dated.
[06:54] <jay> correct
[06:55] <SquareGuy> jay, are you saying that you need to burn an iso image of windows?
[06:55] <dbernar1> ya jay, you trying to download a windows iso, burn it to a cd and install windows?
[06:55] <jay> So that I can get out of linux, yes.
[06:55] <jay> yes.
[06:55] <levander> jay: get out of linux? linux is this bad???
[06:55] <dbernar1> get the iso then
[06:55] <dbernar1> right click on it.
[06:55] <f_newton> wait a second..so that you can get out of linux/
[06:55] <f_newton> ?
[06:55] <f_newton> why?
[06:55] <dbernar1> burn to cd, and burn it
[06:55] <jay> To hard, when I don't know the commands etc.
[06:55] <dbernar1> the rest you surely know.
[06:55] <f_newton> is it that tough for you?
[06:56] <dbernar1> linux is nice...^_^ like cats.
[06:56] <aru> jay: maybe we can help you work through the difficult parts?
[06:56] <nickrud> jay, if you'll join #flood, I have a stanza you need to add to /boot/grub/menu.lst. If you have a standard windows install, it'll work
[06:56] <levander> jay: lol, that's the whole fun of linux at first.  Learning so much about your computer....
[06:56] <f_newton> Ive heard every thing now
[06:56] <jay> It is when I don't know the commands and things to install software, files and programs on linux.
[06:56] <SquareGuy> jay, well just use a linux cd-burner.  i must admit i prefer k3b.  its a niced gui so you wont need command line
[06:56] <skalpel> levander: very true
[06:56] <maxgoetz> kitties!!! ^_^
[06:56] <dbernar1> jay installing is too easy
[06:56] <levander> jay: nickrud is assuming you didn't blow away your windows install when you installed linux.  Did you blow it away?
[06:56] <nickrud> heh, levander
[06:56] <jasoncohen> jay, you can install an iso in nautilus by right clicking and choosing burn to cd..you can also use gnomebaker or k3b
[06:56] <jasoncohen> many choices and all are easy
[06:56] <jay> That's exactly what I did.
[06:56] <skalpel> does anyone ever thing that one day irc and the linux terminal will be integrated succesfully and safely?
[06:56] <f_newton> jay... look, slow down and do a little reading... or just go back to windows
[06:56] <jay> Deleted the windows partition.
[06:56] <skalpel> that would be nice.
[06:57] <dbernar1> jay sudo aptitude install programName...3 seconds, installed
[06:57] <levander> jasoncohen: that will make the cd bootable just doing that?
[06:57] <f_newton> jay read the instructions before you take the medicine
[06:57] <dbernar1> System>Admin>Synaptic---a gui program for installing anything.
[06:57] <aru> jay: if you want to msg me I can walk you through the GUI way of doing most things you want in Linux
[06:57] <benplaut> dbernar: nah... just apt-get. don't make it too complicated
[06:57] <jay> alright
[06:57] <f_newton> dont ya just wish you'd taken the blue pill instead sometimes?
[06:57] <dbernar1> benplaut: what? I think you have something confused...
[06:57] <SquareGuy> hell you can have my windows cd ;)
[06:58] <f_newton> lol ive got a few he can have too
[06:58] <jay> lol i love the people on this chat
[06:58] <jasoncohen> levander, isos are images - usually of bootable disks. you don't have to do anything to make them bootable
[06:58] <jay> so very kind =/
[06:58] <f_newton> well we wont be so nice to a windows user...
[06:58] <levander> jasoncohen: ah, okay, didn't know
[06:58] <f_newton> lol
[06:58] <levander> at least jay gave linux a try
[06:58] <dbernar1> benplaut: sudo aptitude search|install|remove vs sudo apt-get install|remove apt-cache search, I think the first is easier.
[06:58] <f_newton> no he gave up as soon as he ran into something he had to think about
[06:58] <jay> That's what I intend to do, I just need to learn the commands etc
[06:59] <jay> I mean I don'
[06:59] <jay> I don'
[06:59] <jay> I don
[06:59] <levander> ubuntu should institute a neighborhood linux buddy program for guys like jay
[06:59] <jay> gah keyboard lol
[06:59] <nickrud> so, jay, you can't boot windows anymore? Is that true?
[06:59] <benplaut> dbernar1: don't make him install more than he needs...
[06:59] <jay> I don't even know sudo*
[06:59] <f_newton> jay... ubuntu is about as plug n play as it gets
[06:59] <benplaut> apt-get is fine
[06:59] <levander> jay: you know you can have both windows and linux installed on the same computer?
[06:59] <jay> I don't have any trace of windows or the cd.
[06:59] <dbernar1> benplaut: I dont get your point...is aptitude not installed by default or something?
[06:59] <desrt> f_newton; for devices that it supports...
[06:59] <JDahl> Is an ssh connection auto killed if it takes up too many ressources? I am running some large jobs remotely, and my job keeps getting killed (the same job ran fine at work a couple of hours ago)
[06:59] <levander> but jay, what is it you want to do with Linux but can't?
[06:59] <benplaut> no, it isn;t
[06:59] <benplaut> AFAIK, anyway
[06:59] <f_newton> well it is true I choose my hardware with linux in mind
[06:59] <dbernar1> hm. I thought it was.
[07:00] <dbernar1> ok, well, good to learn.
[07:00] <f_newton> windows will kiss any one
[07:00] <f_newton> the whor5e
[07:00] <f_newton> '''
[07:00] <jay> Well in instructions, to download most software...
[07:00] <nickrud> benplaut, are u sure, I've been using it since day one
[07:00] <shammy> i have to install ndiswrapper to get my wifi to work, i just downloaded Linux kernal 2.6.10 for the source, where do i extract the tarball to? /usr/src/linux-2.6.10 ?
[07:00] <jay> It says login as root
[07:00] <SquareGuy> hmm did i get booted or was my connection flakey?
[07:00] <jay> I do not know how to properly use the sudo command.
[07:00] <benplaut> nickrud: i thought not, but... if you guys say so... maybe
[07:01] <Marble2> How can I disable that stupid warning when I open a .wmv file by double click?
[07:01] <f_newton> jay my business forces me to use ms publisher so I even use that on my linux box
[07:01] <nickrud> benplaut, I may have got it out of reflex :)
[07:01] <dabaR> it is too simple. Just prepend sudo to the command you eed to run as root.
[07:01] <levander> jay: don't install software from all over the internet.  Just use apt-get from the command line to download from the ubuntu repositories.
[07:01] <f_newton> I dont use windows os at all period for any reason
[07:01] <dabaR> then it asks for a password, and you type in yours, and thats it.
[07:01] <levander> jay: apt-get downloads and installs the programs with just typing one command
[07:01] <nickrud> jay, start by reading the following:
[07:01] <nickrud> !rootsudo
[07:01] <ubotu> somebody said rootsudo was at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:01] <dabaR> for the next 15 minutes, sudo does not ask for a pasword.
[07:01] <jasoncohen> shammy, you don't need kernel source, you want kernel-headers and both can be obtained from synaptic/aptp-get
[07:01] <benplaut> can someone here with a vanilla install please check if aptitude is installed by default?
[07:01] <xaque> or use synaptic, that's a gui program
[07:02] <dabaR> it seems it is not, according to ubotu, it is optional.
[07:02] <NoHope> hi all
[07:02] <levander> jay: actually, newbs are supposed to use synaptic.  But, you just click a few buttons, the software downloads and installs automatically even then though.
[07:02] <f_newton> as far as I know it is cuz I have it
[07:02] <benplaut> ah
[07:02] <dabaR> ya, synaptic all the way, I think.
[07:02] <NoHope> hey, how can I get gmake from the apt-get?
[07:02] <nickrud> benplaut, aptitude is depended on by ubuntu-base, so, it's installed by default
[07:02] <jasoncohen> shammy, "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[07:02] <benplaut> hmm
[07:02] <SquareGuy> maybe he can try "sudo apt-get install windows" sorry, couldn't resist
[07:02] <ilba7r> jay you can install anysoftware you want without command line <window style installer> press system with your mouse > Adminstration > synaptic
[07:02] <levander> NoHope: try 'apt-cache search gmake' see if anything comes up
[07:02] <Gorth> guys my xmms freezes whenever i try to play a song
[07:02] <nickrud> benplaut, apt-cache rdepends aptitude
[07:02] <Gorth> how do i kill it
[07:02] <Gorth> it like
[07:02] <shammy> jasoncohen: I tried running synaptic, and it wouldn't open, even though an hour or so before it worked fine. I tried running it from terminal and gtk gave me an error saying it cant be displayed, why would that happen?
[07:02] <Gorth> own't go away
[07:03] <f_newton> hey is there an ubuntu book out there anywhere?
[07:03] <ilba7r> its a gui installer, you can also use linux like window
[07:03] <f_newton> maybe jay can ... oh I dont know... read the help section manual?
[07:03] <jasoncohen> shammy, is it already open
[07:03] <levander> jay: as long as you don't have a windows iso, why don't you fire up synaptic to see what you can install?
[07:03] <jasoncohen> shammy, ps -ax | grep synaptic
[07:03] <benplaut> Gorth: type, in the terminal, xkill, and then click on it's window
[07:03] <NoHope> levander, nothing equals...
[07:03] <dabaR> benplaut: it turns out it is insatlled on default.
[07:03] <Marble2> How can I disable that stupid warning when I open a .wmv file by double click?
[07:03] <Gorth> ah
[07:03] <dabaR> with xine?
[07:03] <Gorth> thanks benplaut
[07:03] <aru> !tell jay about !java
[07:03] <f_newton> its not xine its any of them
[07:04] <Gorth> so what do ya'll recommend for media
[07:04] <benplaut> Marble2: set the file type default to something that can open it correctly
[07:04] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, you there?
[07:04] <aru> doh
[07:04] <neoego> hey guys, do you know how I can get the ubuntu administration apps to ask me to login as root, rather than with my normal user password?  I turned off my admin privileges for my user account, and now I cant access the admin apps.  Is there a simple way to make my computer more like a typical linux box?  I've already added a root account.
[07:04] <levander> NoHope: go to packages.ubuntu.com and search for it there.  Make sure you are search *contents of packages* and *hoary*
[07:04] <Gorth> i don't like bulky programs
[07:04] <aru> !tell jay about java
[07:04] <xaque> gstreamer rocks
[07:04] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: sorta
[07:04] <Gorth> xmms seemed compact, but it's broken!
[07:04] <NoHope> levander, ok.
[07:04] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, i hear ya
[07:04] <benplaut> Gorth: totem for videos, and i don't listen to music :P
[07:04] <Gorth> :D thanks benplaut
[07:04] <Marble2> benplaut: it can open it, it just gives me an annoying message...
[07:04] <shammy> jasoncohen: for "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`, Where does it get it from? the install disc?
[07:04] <xaque> i use my ipod for all music
[07:04] <xaque> and totem for movies
[07:04] <f_newton> totem-xine  totem alone sux
[07:04] <levander> NoHope: if it's not there, you're outta luck getting it from an official repository.  Could check backports, but I don't use it so don't know how.
[07:05] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: what's up?
[07:05] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, nadda.  i didnt get a chance to setup my radius server, maybe tomorrow
[07:05] <jasoncohen> shammy, your apt sources
[07:05] <jasoncohen> could be a cd- or network
[07:05] <NoHope> levander, oh, maybe it won't be necessary no more... I could use [make] , I'm installing PostgreSQL from source.
[07:05] <NoHope> levander, thx.
[07:06] <dabaR> well, see ya later.
[07:06] <aru> !java
[07:06] <ubotu> [java]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[07:06] <levander> NoHope: yeah, make really sounds to me like something that'd be easier from the command line anyway.
[07:06] <shammy> jasoncohen: but I don't need a working net connection do I?
[07:07] <levander> shammy: it depends on how you're sources.list file is set up, and if the package you want is even on the disc.
[07:08] <nickrud> shammy, no, the headers are on the cd that was copied to your disk
[07:08] <levander> shammy: yeah, but most people use a working internet connection (like the one you're using to talk in this irc channel)
[07:08] <nickrud> hm, repositories, sources, and sections :)
[07:09] <shammy> levander: i'm not on ubuntu at the moment, my wifi works fine on windows since it has the drivers.
[07:09] <levander> shammy: i think nickrud is more aware of what you're wanting, i'd listen to him, not me
[07:09] <nickrud> hah, I thought so, until shammy mentioned wifi :)
[07:10] <Sputn1k> after kernel compile, when i starting new kernel i get this: Kernel panic-not syncing :VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0)
[07:10] <Sputn1k> Where is the problem?
[07:10] <shammy> I think i've got it, "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`"
[07:10] <nickrud> shammy, yes, that's a well formed command
[07:10] <BTJustice> Here is a dumb question I guess.  How do I install the latest version of Firefox.  I downloaded it but don't know how to install it.
[07:10] <skalpel> does anyone else have trouble with strange audio chirps when gnome tries to play sound events overtop of playing music?
[07:10] <Gorth> so are there any xmms alternatives?
[07:10] <shammy> nickrud: that's because jasoncohen told me it :)
[07:11] <levander> Where do we go to see "linux recommended hardware"?  Like these wifi cards that everybody's having trouble with.  I've got my eyes on an nForce motherboard, but know about nVidia's reputation with the drivers for their graphics cards.
[07:11] <nickrud> good source
[07:11] <jasoncohen> shammy, not if you have a cd source
[07:11] <nickrud> ah sources dispute :P
[07:11] <shammy> jasoncohen: what would the command be if I'm using the cd as the source?
[07:11] <levander> BTJustice: I'd remove whatever you downloaded and do 'sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox'
[07:11] <deprave_> hi, a have a crap load of terminals open on one screen for irc etc, is there a program that keeps all of these terminals like, coagulated and you just click on tabs or something to swtich to and from different terminals?
[07:12] <nickrud> shammy, use the same one. That is an accurate way to get the headers for your installed kernel
[07:12] <levander> deprave_: i think you want a program called screens
[07:12] <deprave_> no i'm using screens, i don't want something to keep them all detached
[07:12] <jasoncohen> shammy, well, what dose "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` . it might actually be in your apt cache in which case it'll just install from there
[07:12] <levander> deprave_: but gterm has tabs if that's what you want
[07:12] <jasoncohen> *does
[07:12] <skalpel> how do i install a kernel patch from a .diff file?
[07:13] <shammy> jasoncohen: but it would work either way, right>
[07:13] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, if you try to install a package that's available on the CD and on network sources, which will apt prefer?
[07:13] <sproingie> deprave_: gterm and konsole both have tabs.  konsole you can use shift and the arrow keys to navigate them, dunno for gterm
[07:13] <levander> deprave_: actually, think it's called gnome-terminal, not gterm
[07:13] <jasoncohen> shammy, should...i never install off the cd. i have broadband
[07:13] <drcode> hi al
[07:13] <drcode> all
[07:13] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: CD
[07:14] <drcode> how I can mount .cue + .bin file?
[07:14] <bimberi> jasoncohen: if the latest version is on the cd it will install from there
[07:14] <JDahl> deprave_, I think fluxbox is famous for uncluttering terminals using a taskbar or something
[07:14] <Amaranth> drcode: Stop downloading illegal movies and/or applications. :P (bin2iso or bchunk)
[07:14] <shammy> well nickrud said it would work, so i'll go try it
[07:14] <skalpel> how do i install a kernel patch from a .diff file?
[07:15] <drcode> thanx
[07:15] <deprave_> ok i will try out konsole thanks sproingie
[07:15] <xkuseme> can someone help me? ubuntu keeps freezing on my is that known problem?
[07:15] <nickrud> shammy, first, let me look at your /etc/apt/sources.list (I'm sorta at work, I've missed all but your last message)
[07:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> xkuseme: when does it freeze?
[07:16] <levander> xkuseme: too vague of description.  We'd need to know more.  Maybe check /var/log/syslog to see if you can find anything out?
[07:16] <xkuseme> Kamping_Kaiser: haven't found a pattern yet
[07:16] <xkuseme> levander: i need to reboot first
[07:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. are you running Hoary?
[07:16] <xkuseme> levander: Kamping_Kaiser only mouse is working
[07:16] <levander> xkuseme: why? just open the file
[07:17] <levander> xkuseme: ah, i see
[07:17] <xkuseme> levander: it froze
[07:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> xkuseme: kill x
[07:17] <pestilence> sproingie: you can set the keystroke preferences in gnome's terminal to be identical to konsole's
[07:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> ctrl+alt+backspace
[07:17] <levander> xkuseme: how are you typing into this channel if your keyboard doesn't work?
[07:17] <xkuseme> Kamping_Kaiser:evetything is frozen
[07:17] <xkuseme> levander: i am on the laptop
[07:17] <levander> xkuseme: ah okay, go ahead and reboot
[07:17] <jasoncohen> shammy, it didn't work?
[07:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> xkuseme: so you cant kill x?
[07:17] <xkuseme> levander: ok rebooting now
[07:18] <xkuseme> Kamping_Kaiser: no keyboard is completely useless
[07:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh
[07:18] <levander> xkuseme: you've ever read a log file before?
[07:18] <levander> xkuseme: if not, it's gonna take some patience to read and figure out the format
[07:18] <xkuseme> levander: yes, but not very experienced to be honest
[07:18] <xkuseme> levander: this is a pretty new install, only 3 days old
[07:19] <levander> xkuseme: well, just try to figure out where the logging in that file started for the reboot your doing on it now, then look just above it to see if you notice any error messages.
[07:19] <[Spooky] > levander: swedish ? :)
[07:19] <BTJustice> It says Firefox is already the latest version which it isn;t since the one on here is 1.0.2
[07:19] <xkuseme> levander: ok i am back in now
[07:19] <skalpel> how do i install a kernel patch from a .diff file?
[07:19] <levander> [Spooky] : no, I'm an American who stereotypically only speaks English, sorry.
[07:19] <skalpel> where is the linux kernel located in ubuntu?
[07:19] <levander> xkuseme: 'less /var/log/syslog'
[07:20] <nickrud> skalpel, with extreeeme carefulness :)
[07:20] <levander> skalpel: /boot/vmlinux??????? - question marks represent characters I don't remember
[07:20] <[Spooky] > levander: ok you have like a common used nick... here in sweden hehe
[07:20] <BTJustice> levandar: refox is already the latest version which it isn;t since the one on here is 1.0.2
[07:20] <levander> [Spooky] : really, I had no idea it was common in Sweden.
[07:21] <skalpel> does anyone know if the ubuntu kernel has the vesafb-tng patch written in?
[07:21] <xkuseme> levander: less /var/log/syslog only tells me [2]  8164
[07:21] <nickrud> BTJustice, the security repository for ubuntu has  1.0.6-0ubuntu0.1
[07:21] <levander> BTJustice: you've haven't 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade'.  The latest firefox in the repositories is 1.0.6
[07:22] <levander> xkuseme: there's only one linux in your /var/log/syslog??
[07:22] <BTJustice> Let me try that command, brb.
[07:22] <levander> only one line*
[07:22] <xkuseme> levander: yes
[07:22] <levander> BTJustice: that's gonna put all the latest security updates and bug fixes on your system.
[07:22] <nickrud> BTJustice, you need to have security in your repositories for tos commands to work
[07:22] <levander> BTJustice: you're supposed to run that command periodically to get those on your system.
[07:23] <levander> xkuseme: check /var/log/syslog.0
[07:23] <xkuseme> levander: no i mean if i view the entire file not. but for "less /var/log/syslog"
[07:23] <levander> xkuseme: I don't understand.
[07:23] <levander> xkuseme: you can explain again what you mean?
[07:23] <xkuseme> http://rafb.net/paste/results/vrj47t41.html
[07:24] <xkuseme> levander: can you look at this?
[07:24] <BTJustice> thanks
[07:24] <levander> xkuseme: looking
[07:24] <Trace> Hello, Does Ubuntu contain gpart?
[07:24] <Trace> Actually,  I think gpart is a very useful tool and i try to find gpart in Ubuntu but with no luck
[07:24] <benplaut> Trace: not by deafult
[07:24] <benplaut> install it with Synaptic
[07:24] <bimberi> Trace: it's available in the universe repository
[07:25] <nickrud> Trace, yes, try gparted
[07:26] <strykewulf> hey guys if i restart will i have to turn apache back on?
[07:26] <strykewulf> hey guys if i restart will i have to turn apache back on?
[07:27] <Trace> nickrud, gparted is not the same with gpart, am i right?
[07:27] <Madpilot> they seem to be 2 different apps
[07:27] <levander> xkuseme: you know about how long your system had been frozen before restarting?
[07:27] <Trace> Does gpart have any GUI? or does it run just in terminal?
[07:27] <Madpilot> speaking of which, will gparted work gracefully with SATA drives?
[07:27] <nickrud> hm, I think that gparted is a gnome frontend to gpart
[07:27] <levander> Trace: I think it's gparted
[07:27] <BTJustice> That says there are 0 packages to upgrade.  HTGat makes no sense since the latest Firefox is 1.0.6 and hte installed one in Ubuntu is 1.0.2
[07:28] <xkuseme> levander: the first time about a min then i rebooted and the second time same at most 2 min.
[07:28] <nickrud> BTJustice, how about posting your /etc/apt/sources.list on pastebin
[07:28] <BTJustice> What is pastebin?  You mean paste it here?
[07:28] <levander> Anybody know what a /dev/vcs? or /dev/vca? file is for? It's from xkuseme syslog paste
[07:29] <xkuseme> levander: the only thing that changed since i have this problem is that i tried to set up mutt. i got fetchmailconf with aptitude and configured it. after running that i was getting this, i don't know if that has anyting to do with it
[07:29] <nickrud> BTJustice, I mean, I have 1.0.6 :)
[07:29] <pestilence> Trace: gparted is graphical
[07:30] <levander> xkuseme: i'm thinking it's usb, let me keep looking
[07:30] <Trace> pestilence, thx, let me install it first.
[07:31] <xkuseme> levander: only usb device connected is mouse
[07:31] <BTJustice> nickrud: So how do I get it?
[07:32] <Madpilot> !pastebin
[07:32] <ubotu> rumour has it, pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[07:32] <Madpilot> BTJustice: see ubotu's post
[07:33] <levander> xkuseme: you can paste /var/log/syslog.0 also?
[07:33] <nickrud> BTJustice, replace your /etc/apt/sources.list with http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[07:34] <BTJustice> Done.
[07:34] <nickrud> then,       sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude upgrade
[07:34] <BTJustice> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/328144
[07:34] <noname_> Uhh
[07:34] <noname_> I just ran Quake3 and for some reason it fucked my resolution
[07:34] <nickrud> I rest my case
[07:34] <noname_> brb
[07:34] <melio> is the amd64 build well supported with software?
[07:35] <melio> specificly multimedia stuff
[07:35] <Burgundavia> melio, most of the free stuff is there
[07:35] <Burgundavia> melio, w32codecs does not exist, nor does flash
[07:35] <melio> oh no flash
[07:35] <melio> bummer
[07:35] <f_newton> pretty much the same as fc4
[07:35] <blackgecko> anyone knows what do i have to do to get rid of configure: error: termcap support not found
[07:35] <melio> should I just get the i386 stuff?
[07:35] <xkuseme> levander: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/914
[07:36] <sproingie> flash works fine on the 32 bit firefox
[07:36] <sproingie> you want to do a lot of multimedia stuff, you may as well just run a 32 bit dist tho
[07:36] <melio> sproingie,  i'm just gonna do 32bit
[07:36] <melio> never mind the 64bit till they do more work with it
[07:36] <concept10> f_newton, you brought Melio to Ubuntu land?
[07:36] <darmou> does anyone know about the sys logs and where they go, I know in debian syslogs get sent to root is that the case with ubuntu?
[07:36] <f_newton> yep
[07:36] <concept10> Great!
[07:36] <melio> concept10,  I'm a slut
[07:36] <sproingie> the 64 bit works fine, just some individual apps don't
[07:36] <f_newton> lol
[07:36] <melio> I try everything
[07:37] <f_newton> yeah he was easy
[07:37] <concept10> heh
[07:37] <sproingie> macrodobe doesn't have flash for amd64 for instance.  ghc also sucks on amd64, but i doubt you need that
[07:37] <concept10> Has anyone tried OOo 2.0 beta yet with Hoary?
[07:37] <melio> sproingie,  I'm just gonna use i386
[07:37] <f_newton> OOo beta sux dude
[07:38] <f_newton> I am glad to see ubuntu still has a stable version
[07:38] <darmou> when will the new ver of oo be released?
[07:38] <concept10> f_newton, you dont like it?  is it unstable?
[07:38] <nickrud> once only, because I do my work with openoffice
[07:38] <sproingie> ubuntu more or less only has a stable version, the "unstable" is more like debian experimental
[07:38] <skalpel> does anyone have any advice for cleaning up the inter-action between gnome and my sound server? it seems choppy and chirpy.
[07:38] <concept10> sproingie, the unstable is in the repos
[07:39] <concept10> f_newton, You just hit a great point
[07:39] <melio> ubuntu has gnome/kde choices at install time right?
[07:39] <grover> and when they say unstable, they mean it
[07:39] <sproingie> concept10: yes it is, but when ubuntu says unstable it means it, whereas you can get away with running sid most of the time
[07:39] <levander> xkuseme: it looks like you didn't have this problem yesterday?
[07:39] <blackgecko> anyone knows what do i have to do to get rid of configure: error: termcap support not found im trying to install asterisk
[07:39] <BTJustice> So how do I update Firefox 1.0.2 to 1.0.6 correctly?
[07:39] <grover> melio: no, if you want kde get kubuntu
[07:39] <xkuseme> levander: correct, first time today
[07:39] <melio> grover, I want gnome
[07:39] <sproingie> you do not need kubuntu for kde
[07:39] <sproingie> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:39] <nickrud> melio, no, you can get the ubuntu disk, or the kubuntu disk; that's what you'll install. after install, you can have both
[07:40] <concept10> f_newton, I never installed FC4, it looks nice but seems to have stability issues
[07:40] <xkuseme> levander: do you see anything odd in the file?
[07:40] <melio> kde bothers me like a little sister with too many toys and she leaves em in the hall way and I step on the barbie heads and she screams and yells at me
[07:40] <sproingie> works from vanilla ubuntu just fine
[07:40] <f_newton> concept10, fc4 sux horribly
[07:40] <f_newton> at first it runs great then it degrades
[07:40] <nickrud> melio, best description of kde I've heard
[07:40] <sproingie> mmm like windows
[07:40] <skalpel> i noticed that the kubuntu install of kde seemed to look better than using install kubuntu-desktop. anyone have an idea of why?
[07:40] <f_newton> Ive had to install it about 11 times since it came out
[07:40] <melio> nickrud,  lol
[07:40] <skalpel> does anyone have any advice for cleaning up the inter-action between gnome and my sound server? it seems choppy and chirpy.
[07:40] <concept10> f_newton, have you had any problems with ubuntu yet?
[07:40] <skalpel> can i make my music player have priority over sound events in gnome?
[07:41] <f_newton> none to really speak of
[07:41] <sproingie> f_newton: i was going to try fc4, but the damn installer for it doesn't even support the most common onboard NIC amd64 users have (forcedeth)
[07:41] <f_newton> some problems with early cxoffice version
[07:41] <nickrud> skalpel, you can turn off sound events, if that's what you mean
[07:41] <melio> sproingie, my onobard nick works in it
[07:41] <melio> sproingie, msi motherboard
[07:41] <skalpel> nickrud: well no, i like the sound events, i just do not want them to interrupt my music player
[07:41] <f_newton> the problem with fedora is the people in charge in my opinion.... this is not a fact so dont take it as gospel
[07:41] <sproingie> f_newton: then i find they don't have anything like dist-upgrade, you're expected to just reinstall when fc5 comes out to get the new base configuration
[07:41] <nickrud> skalpel, not going to happen, all sounds are equal
[07:41] <levander> xkuseme: yeah, I'm preparing a paste for you now
[07:42] <sproingie> melio: asus motherboard.  nvidia chipset.  a good half of all amd64 motherboards i'd say
[07:42] <melio> I think fedora is more like running a beta. then they want to admit
[07:42] <f_newton> sproingie any upgrading is done at your own risk with usually bad results regardless of os ...windows mac or linux
[07:42] <skalpel> nickrud: ok. i guess that is a good thing in the long run
[07:42] <melio> sproingie,  via chipset here
[07:42] <xkuseme> levander: cool thanks
[07:42] <sproingie> f_newton: naw, it's usually seamless with debian
[07:42] <concept10> f_newton, I agree with that, thats in my opinion also, although Red Hat contributes alot to GNOME
[07:42] <BTJustice> So how do I update Firefox 1.0.2 to 1.0.6 correctly?
[07:42] <melio> sproingie,  I was actually afraid of nvidia chipsets when they came out for amd64
[07:42] <bluefoxicy> Real friggin' cute.
[07:42] <melio> sproingie, dono why. just fraidy cat I guess
[07:42] <bluefoxicy> the lights on cable modems are typically hooked up as passthrough for the data line, and LEDs have a very short rise/fall time for energizing, so they almost perfectly represent the bitstream of the transmissions.  Very nice.
[07:43] <f_newton> yeah gnome is the big reason ive stuck with redhat
[07:43] <concept10> BTJustice, disable backports and then uprade
[07:43] <bluefoxicy> in other words
[07:43] <BTJustice> http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/upgrade/
[07:43] <Burgundavia> sproingie, the upgrade path in ubuntu is about the best on any distro I have seen, but is far from perfect
[07:43] <sproingie> melio: they work dandy.  i'm astonished fc4's installer doesn't support them
[07:43] <f_newton> do you know how happy I am to find a debian based gnome distro?
[07:43] <BTJustice> concept10:  How do I do that?
[07:43] <melio> sproingie,  that is kinda odd actually.
[07:43] <bluefoxicy> if I want your IRC password (plaintext sent when you /identify), I could just use a telescope and some computer hardware I'd hack up, and have it read your cable modem's lights ;P
[07:43] <sproingie> Burgundavia: the upgrade mechanism comes from debian.  naturally it ain't perfect
[07:43] <bluefoxicy> very nice :P
[07:43] <skalpel> is there a way i can set a delay for programs loading on startup until after the desktop background has been set?
[07:43] <melio> mabye fedora's coders don't got the boards so they don't know how to support em
[07:43] <Burgundavia> sproingie, mostly you just need to iron out changes in programs
[07:44] <concept10> BTJustice, comment the backports repos in /etc/apt/sources.list or just un-check them in the repos section in Synaptic
[07:44] <f_newton> I am gonna run n get a burger...bbiaf
[07:44] <melio> f_newton, run and get a salad for me
[07:44] <concept10> f_newton, where you going?
[07:44] <BTJustice> How do you comment?  I am a n00b.
[07:44] <f_newton> melio ask questions...visit the ubuntu site etc check it out first but I love it so far
[07:44] <melio> but yet I'm lazy and ask people to get me food
[07:44] <melio> :P
[07:44] <melio> f_newton, I will. thanks
[07:45] <nickrud> BTJustice, may I pm you?
[07:45] <BTJustice> sure
[07:45] <f_newton> concept10, probably jack in the box why??? you out running around?
[07:45] <concept10> put a # in front of the repo
[07:45] <levander> xkuseme: I don't know how to fix it, but this information will probably help in your research http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/916
[07:45] <f_newton> if yer free concept10 I can take suggestions
[07:45] <concept10> f_newton, I need to make a food run myself, I just woke up
[07:45] <blackgecko> anyone knows what do i have to do to get rid of configure: error: termcap support not found im trying to install asterisk
[07:45] <levander> Anybody else who wants to look at it, it's a fairly neat summary of xkuseme's problem
[07:45] <f_newton> well ya wanna find a close dennys halfway or something?
[07:46] <f_newton> or whatever?
[07:46] <haffe> Hi, does anybody have the time to help me with fglrx?
[07:46] <sproingie> haffe: laptop or desktop?
[07:46] <haffe> desktop
[07:46] <levander> blackgecko: 'echo $TERM', what's it say?
[07:46] <f_newton> I got gas in the car n cash in my pocket
[07:46] <sproingie> haffe: fire away, maybe i can help
[07:46] <Burgundavia> haffe, have you look at wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto ?
[07:46] <concept10> f_newton, maybe later this week we may meetup, I have to get up early, I might just make a sandwich
[07:46] <f_newton> ok yer choice
[07:46] <concept10> Okay.
[07:46] <f_newton> then Im headed to jack in the box
[07:47] <blackgecko> levander: xterm
[07:47] <sproingie> haffe: oh yah, definitely look at BinaryDriverHowto first :)
[07:47] <f_newton> my stomach is making this funny growling noise
[07:47] <concept10> heh
[07:47] <f_newton> bbiaf
[07:47] <skalpel> f_newton: punch it a couple times
[07:47] <f_newton> no way
[07:47] <levander> actually blackgecko, that error may be saying you don't have the termcap libraries installed on your system?
[07:47] <skalpel> is there a way i can set a delay for programs loading on startup until after the desktop background has been set?
[07:47] <xkuseme> levander: thanks, i am looking thru it
[07:48] <haffe> sproingie, Now I have.
[07:48] <concept10> blackgecko, you might want to try the asterisk channel
[07:48] <levander> blackgecko: i'd try 'apt-cache search termcap' to see if anything comes up
[07:48] <levander> xkuseme: or use synaptic, which is the ubuntu recommended way of looking for it
[07:48] <toad3030> there anybody that can help me with p2p and my mouse pls, nobody in #cedega
[07:48] <blackgecko> levander: yeah but all ive found with apt-cache search termcap was termcap-compat and is installed
[07:48] <Burgundavia> skalpel, why do you want to do that?
[07:48] <xkuseme> levander: use synaptic for what
[07:49] <levander> xkuseme: no, sorry, that was meant for blackgecko
[07:49] <PurpleMotion> (AOL voice) You've got movies.
[07:49] <PurpleMotion> be back y'all
[07:49] <haffe> My problem is that I have installed the drivers, changed my xorg.conf, but when I restart I get the following. http://pastebin.com/328148
[07:49] <melio> concept10,  hey dude
[07:49] <concept10> melio, hey.. whats going on
[07:49] <melio> concept10,  I'm scared to install ubuntu.
[07:50] <concept10> melio, why?
[07:50] <toad3030> exit
[07:50] <concept10> melio, do you have broadband?
[07:50] <melio> well I'm worried I won't beable to run java and mp3 players and dvd n stuff
[07:50] <melio> yeah I got broadband
[07:50] <levander> blackgecko: try reading the documentation inclued with the distribution of asterik to see if there's some termcap library you need.  And if so, where can you download it.  Also, can do searchs on packages.ubuntu.com that are more extensive than 'apt-cache search' for termcap
[07:50] <skalpel> burgundavia: i have xchat set to use transparency but it does not work when i have it startup with gnome because it starts before the background gets set.
[07:50] <melio> I wanna use the illegal mp3 codecs n stuff
[07:50] <regeya> guh.
[07:50] <melio> and the united states goverment doesnt let linux be free
[07:51] <melio> lol
[07:51] <concept10> melio, you will be able to do all of that if you want
[07:51] <melio> ok so does it use repositories?
[07:51] <levander> mmmmm, melio, how does the united states govt not let linux be free?
[07:51] <melio> it's not rpm based right?
[07:51] <psychonate> debian-based
[07:51] <regeya> melio: add multiverse to your sources.list if you want to take responsibility for that
[07:51] <blackgecko> levander: thank you ill try that its the first time i get stuck installing it, ive done in other distros but this time i just get lost (not an ubuntu user)
[07:51] <skalpel> burgundavia: can you help me?
[07:51] <xkuseme> levander: is there a xorg log file?
[07:51] <melio> regeya,  way over my head man
[07:51] <concept10> melio, Yes. it uses repos but not rpms
[07:51] <melio> so it uses source?
[07:51] <levander> xkuseme: i'll look...
[07:52] <melio> does it compile everything like gentoo or something?
[07:52] <concept10> melio, .debs are precompiled
[07:52] <Madpilot> !repos
[07:52] <Burgundavia> skalpel, sorry, I have no idea how to do that
[07:52] <ubotu> I guess repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:52] <regeya> there's a handy howto on the ubuntu wiki, don't remember where
[07:52] <regeya> it's not strictly illegal, though it's shady
[07:52] <regeya> ianal
[07:52] <levander> xkuseme: yeah, look in /var/log for all your system log files
[07:52] <Madpilot> melio: see ubotu's post for more information on Ubuntu's repos
[07:52] <melio> debs are the packages for debian right?
[07:52] <Madpilot> ^^^
[07:52] <skalpel> can someoen tell me how to add a delay to a startup program in gnome?
[07:52] <levander> melio: yes
[07:52] <melio> are they better then rpm?
[07:52] <Madpilot> !mp3
[07:52] <ubotu> mp3 is probably read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[07:52] <melio> or just a clone of
[07:52] <Burgundavia> skalpel, you are actually running against what the devs are doing, because they are trying to parallelize the process
[07:53] <levander> skalpel: try #gnome, apparently no one here knows
[07:53] <concept10> melio, I promise you, you will enjoy .debs better than .rpms, they configure and install much cleaner
[07:53] <melio> I'm guessing if you build a package manager. you try to beat the competition :P
[07:53] <melio> concept10,  excellent
[07:53] <concept10> melio, what kind of box do you have?
[07:53] <melio> I'm just sick of "hat everything"
[07:53] <redtech__> what is the linux way to share directories?  not with/for windows.  Or is the use of samba just the easiest?
[07:53] <melio> concept10,  amd64 2.0ghz 1gig ram, 200gig hd
[07:54] <jasoncohen> melio, they are better at handling dependencies because debs all for conflicts and dependencies as well as recommends and suggests. the quality of deb packages and the apt-get system/synaptic is probably the best package management system available in linux
[07:54] <melio> geforce 6800
[07:54] <levander> xkuseme: /var/log/kern.log may have the reason you're freezing too.  It's the kernels private log.
[07:54] <batman> Hi, I need some tips on Nautilus, pm me plz !!
[07:54] <jasoncohen> *debs allow for
[07:54] <melio> jasoncohen,  thanks
[07:54] <concept10> melio, the install will take 25 mins or less, let'er rip
[07:54] <melio> I appreicate a person who can type and not get kicked by a floodbot
[07:54] <jasoncohen> melio, i loved apt-get after transferring from mandake. synaptic is much better than the gui crap in mandrake
[07:54] <sproingie> uh, deb doesn't handle deps any more than rpm does
[07:54] <jasoncohen> faster, more powerful and easier to use
[07:54] <levander> redtech__: nfs is an alternative that's supposed to be faster than samba.  But, when connecting with Windows machine, samba is supposed to be more stable.
[07:54] <melio> 89% complete on the download
[07:54] <sproingie> please don't conflate .deb with apt
[07:54] <concept10> redtech__, why are you logged in three times?
[07:55] <melio> and rod stewart is streaming. (I refuse to say podcast)
[07:55] <jasoncohen> melio, sproingie is right. you can use apt with rpm packages
[07:55] <redtech__> my laptop just died.  one shuold ping out. and I forgot to logout from work =)
[07:55] <auk> hmm, could someone please explain to me or give me a link to the philosophy behind nto adding new features to software in repositories after a distro release?
[07:55] <melio> yeah I'v used apt with rpm
[07:55] <redtech__> levander, thanks
[07:55] <melio> auk: that's opensource
[07:55] <Ianpeters> hello, can anyone help me with Nautilus?
[07:55] <levander> auk: so that you can have more features after the release
[07:56] <sproingie> auk: stability.  you cannot guarantee that the API didn't change between patchlevels.  hell, the linux kernel is notorious for it
[07:56] <nickrud> auk, basically, stable means even the bugs stay: you work around them, because they're dependable
[07:56] <melio> concept10,  do you accept the terminology of "podcast"
[07:56] <xkuseme> levander: in the kernel log is there anything that i shouldn't paste into a forum?
[07:56] <melio> you do realize it's apple marketing that deems anything streaming as a podcast. and only media refers to as that
[07:56] <auk> sproingie: is not it mroe work to create a complete new version, integratign security features only?
[07:56] <sproingie> auk: by not adding feature releases, you can focus on patching the existing release instead of letting third party developers use the stable system as a playground
[07:56] <concept10> melio, yeah for the CNN crowd or people that are into market buzzwords
[07:56] <melio> cnn crowd uses MACS
[07:56] <melio> they belive in apple buzz words
[07:57] <levander> xkuseme: no idea, i don't think so, only thing i'd be worried about is networking daemons config, and maybe their logging
[07:57] <melio> because they're stupid
[07:57] <windex> auk, the primary reason is that it makes it easier to split up in-development tasks. you set a goal for the next release, and try to hit that goal. if you try to backport all your changes to the last version, it's more problems than it's worth, imho.
[07:57] <sproingie> auk: security patches tend to be released separately for most major apps
[07:57] <levander> xkuseme: i'm gonna have to go to bed soon. It's very late in the USA.
[07:57] <melio> windex.. dude
[07:57] <auk> sproingie: seperately of what?
[07:57] <concept10> Ianpeters, what is your problem
[07:57] <sproingie> auk: but yeah sometimes it's a bit gratuitous.  firefox is like that.  but the funny thing is, they just updated firefox to a non-security release with features ... and it broke
[07:57] <sproingie> auk: separately from feature releases
[07:57] <auk> windex: i am not talkign about core thigns, liek kernel etc
[07:57] <auk> gtg
[07:58] <melio> windoex same windex on efnet right?
[07:58] <windex> melio, i sell dell's. did you need one?
[07:58] <auk> sorry, i'll be back later
[07:58] <melio> windex: efnet?
[07:58] <windex> erm, not really?
[07:58] <sproingie> auk: backports deals with feature releases, and it's now an official project
[07:58] <melio> oh ok I know your counterpart :P
[07:58] <windex> i am windex.org windex.
[07:58] <Ianpeters> concept10, is there a way to NOT have Nautilus resize to a small window everytime you start it?
[07:58] <levander> Is it the impression that the fedora guys have to deal with more problems because they release new functionality into their released version?
[07:58] <sproingie> fedora's newer, is all
[07:58] <windex> k, afk -- gotta move keyboard to other box temp.
[07:58] <melio> he's the ownedbywindex.com guy
[07:59] <jasoncohen> sproingie, yeah but the security team is using the new upstream release for firefox products because it's so damn difficult to backport the security fixes and there are so many of them and so often
[07:59] <sproingie> and frankly, fedora's got a lot more interesting tech, like selinux
[07:59] <levander> sproingie: so, there's no perceived benefit of freezing features in the industry?
[07:59] <sproingie> 'course the gimped installer and the lack of dist-upgrade kept me from fedora
[07:59] <jasoncohen> sproingie, that's why warty's firefox never got patched...it received fixes for 53 CVE's last week!
[07:59] <levander> fedora's been around longer, ubuntu's working on some neat things
[07:59] <melio> only a subaru owner would read Drive
[07:59] <melio> lol
[07:59] <TheSham> could anyone in here help me with ndiswrapper? everyone in it's channel has been idle for atleast 8 hours. I've installed it but can't get the drivers installed
[07:59] <nickrud> sproingie, if you're willing to be a testbed, fedora seems ok
[07:59] <sproingie> levander: feature freezes are a way of life in the industry.  they're a novelty in the open source world
[08:00] <concept10> Ianpeters, small window?  im not sure about that.. I do not see any options
[08:00] <levander> sproingie: but if fedora seems no less stable than ubuntu, what's the point?
[08:00] <sproingie> levander: the linux kernel itself is the worst offender.  a 0.0.1 release will make drastic changes to API's
[08:00] <concept10> TheSham, what card do you have
[08:00] <levander> sproingie: ah, didn't know that about the kernel
[08:00] <Ianpeters> concept10, neither do I but it's irritating that nautilus doesn't remember windowsize....or have I missed something?
[08:00] <jasoncohen> levander, is fedora actually that stable?
[08:00] <TheSham> it's a usb adapet, netgear WG111
[08:00] <lenoxmo>  fiona
[08:00] <lenoxmo> ups
[08:00] <Shish> What's the grub command line option to set runlevel? I want to be able to choose "boot to X" or "boot to multi-user text" from grub, but I can only get X and single-user text :|
[08:01] <skalpel> how do i install a windows border theme?
[08:01] <sproingie> levander: it's stable, but how stable does it remain over time, and how easy is it to maintain over time, that's the question
[08:01] <concept10> Ianpeters, increase the default zoom
[08:01] <levander> jasoncohen: no idea, i've never used it.  Was going to try it, but noticed the support community on the internet is much better for ubuntu than fedora.
[08:01] <concept10> Ianpeters, do you mean spatial ?
[08:01] <Razor-X> hmmmm
[08:01] <Razor-X> I can't edit my XFce settings
[08:01] <sproingie> levander: fc4 didn't even support the last kernel revision to support fglrx just before release.  i've no idea whether it made it in by release time or not
[08:02] <levander> jasoncohen: not only #ubuntu vs. #fedora, but also #debian vs. #rhel.  I got to debian sometimes for questions.  #rhel is flat dead.
[08:02] <jasoncohen> the problem with fedora is that their base of packages is quite small - extras and main. many packages must be gotten from unoffiicial and often conflicting sources. mp3 support from livna which conflicts with dag which has openvpn, webmin which conflicts with axel (which is generally horrible) that has nessus and myth etc.
[08:02] <anwar> hi, why does my resolv.conf keep changing after some time?sometimes i can't acess the net because of it.i used pppoeconf to connect to the net btw.
[08:02] <TheSham> concept10: I downloaded the reccomended driver, but my problem is this, When I try to open ndiswrapper under util, nothing happens and when I run it in a terminal it immediately dissapears. I'm not sure how it works, i'm assuming since there is no actual app open that it is a service, so i tried ndiswrapper -i <filename> and I get ndiswrapper not a command
[08:02] <sproingie> jasoncohen: oh god yes, i forgot about that mess
[08:02] <levander> sproingie: but the way they do things, can't they release fglrx after they make their release?
[08:02] <HrdwrBoB> anwar: DHCP will change it
[08:02] <Ianpeters> concept10, no, not spatial. I mean, whenever I open Nautilus it's resized to a small window. I want it to start maximized
[08:02] <jasoncohen> levander, the people in #debian are very knowledgable but also often very arrogant, unhelpful and mean
[08:02] <HrdwrBoB> anwar: and ppp connections that set the DNS
[08:02] <concept10> TheSham, ndiswrapper is a driver wrapper
[08:03] <deprave_> hihihi!
[08:03] <sproingie> levander: fat lot of good it does me if it doesn't work tho
[08:03] <Burgundavia> levander, releasing a new fglrx may require kernel changes, etc.
[08:03] <concept10> !ndiswrapper
[08:03] <ubotu> well, ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[08:03] <levander> anwar: dhclient.conf changes it.  Maybe you're losing your DHCP lease, and it has to be regotten?
[08:03] <Razor-X> hmmm, yeah, my XFce is being stupid
[08:03] <gpd> Razor-X: xfce is stupid.
[08:03] <levander> jasoncohen: yeah, I've seen that.  But, really, I've never had a problem with them. Might be that I'm pretty thick skinned?
[08:03] <concept10> Ianpeters, Oh, okay, I have no idea on how to do that
[08:03] <sproingie> Burgundavia: god knows every patchlevel to the kernel requires fglrx changes.  they just rearranged the agp and pci api for whatever reason between 2.6.10 and 2.6.12
[08:03] <Razor-X> gpd: I liked it on my other distros
[08:03] <Ianpeters> ok thx
[08:03] <anwar> HrdwrBoB: it's all ok on startup but I suddenly noticed that I can't browse or do anything and when I check the resolv.conf I don't see my dns servers there.i only see 10.0.0.138(my gateway ip)
[08:04] <jasoncohen> sproingie, fc4 got horrible reviews for multimedia - crappy sound problems (crackling with sblive) and very severe issues even getting DVDs to play
[08:04] <Burgundavia> sproingie, linus and co don't care about binary drivers. It is too hard to support them
[08:04] <TheSham> concept10: I've been following the wiki and all is good up to this point, except the next step says  use ndiswrapper tool to install the driver with "ndiswrapper -i filename.inf", i tried that in a terminal and i get "ndiswrapper is not a command", or something to that affect
[08:04] <levander> sproingie: so, basically, your criticism of fedora isn't there release model, but that they don't stay on top of getting some applications packaged that you think they should?
[08:04] <sproingie> Burgundavia: apparently he doesn't even care about the source parts of drivers, since he can't keep an API stable between *patchlevels*
[08:04] <anwar> levander:maybe, how do i fix it?
[08:04] <melio> levander, repository wars don't help
[08:05] <levander> jasoncohen: that about fc4 does make it sound like redhat's not staying on top of things with fedora
[08:05] <concept10> TheSham, did you install or compile _ndiswrapper_ ?
[08:05] <melio> levander,  OS is fine, patches are slow
[08:05] <sproingie> Burgundavia: i'm not asking for a stable abi, but a stable source level api between 0.0.x revisions isn't too much to ask for
[08:05] <levander> melio: i'm not starting a war, i'm trying to get an opinion.
[08:05] <nickrud> linux 2.6, the unstable one.
[08:05] <melio> levander,  noo. There's Wars amongst repositories.. some will break your os
[08:06] <levander> anwar: not sure, sorry, just thought it would help to maybe help you localize your problem
[08:06] <melio> levander,  repo owners tend to fight. and one standard doesnt pass to another repo. so it'll trash your box
[08:06] <f_newton> yeah
[08:06] <melio> so you gotta know. first hand. who runs the good repos with fedora. or your Os will crap out. period
[08:06] <Razor-X> hmmm, can anyone help me get XFce running?
[08:06] <levander> melio: what are you talking about?
[08:06] <melio> inside knowledge like that .. is not posted anywhere either
[08:06] <f_newton> the infighting with fc4 right now reminds me of a debian chat room
[08:06] <concept10> levander, that is a true statement that melio said... Thats why I like ubuntu, everything is consolidated
[08:06] <TheSham> concept10: yes, I did, I followed the install wiki and compiled it into the kernel source. although on the make I got a couple errors saying gcc command not found, or whatever the error is
[08:06] <anwar> levander:ok thanks. btw dhclient.conf is empty
[08:06] <melio> levander,  do you know what repositories are?
[08:06] <levander> melio: oh, fedora has repository wars, now I understand.
[08:06] <melio> ok
[08:07] <melio> But it's an inside politics gig thing
[08:07] <concept10> TheSham, that means you didnt compile it
[08:07] <sproingie> hm, there's badly maintained debs as well, giving you only one source to screw things up
[08:07] <stian> what was the command to show program and cpu usage?
[08:07] <concept10> TheSham, you need build-essential
[08:07] <melio> you gotta be cool with the concept that repos are ran by people, and people don't follow standards
[08:07] <levander> melio: all I use is official ubuntu repositories here, not even backports.  I'd probably do the same if I went to fedora with redhat repositories.
[08:07] <sproingie> ghci for example.  segfaults on startup
[08:07] <f_newton> yeah they are after some grand glorious Im head cheese award or something
[08:07] <melio> levander,  see that's important.. offical ubuntu means something
[08:07] <melio> offical fedora repos don't supply ALL the software
[08:07] <jasoncohen> levander, ubuntu has a HUGE advantage over RH
[08:07] <jasoncohen> levander, over fedora i mean
[08:07] <levander> melio: they don't have official Red Hat repositories for fedora?
[08:07] <melio> yes they do
[08:08] <concept10> TheSham, this is a better wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[08:08] <levander> jasoncohen: okay, what is this huge advantage?
[08:08] <melio> but they only support very little software on them
[08:08] <TheSham> concept10: what is build-essential? the wiki said make distclean, make, make install should compile and install both the kernel module and userspcae utilities
[08:08] <Shish> stian: top shows an updating table of processes which is good to glance at, ps is more flexible for specific detail
[08:08] <f_newton> debian based?
[08:08] <jasoncohen> levander, debian
[08:08] <f_newton> heh
[08:08] <sproingie> debian is its own blessing and curse
[08:08] <melio> levander,  a full install of fedora is about what you will find on offical fedora repos
[08:08] <jasoncohen> levander, ubuntu can take any of debian's 16,000+ packages and all they have to do is slightly modify the dependencies
[08:08] <grover> how is it a curse?
[08:08] <levander> melio: that's fuckin scarry.  I assumed that Red Hat's fedora repositories would be a lot like ubuntu's repositories.
[08:08] <melio> levander,  additional things that popup later will most likly be on the next release cycle
[08:08] <concept10> TheSham, review that... You must have development tools to be able to compile it
[08:09] <levander> jasoncohen: good point
[08:09] <levander> melio: oh, that is bad.
[08:09] <melio> levander,  I wouldnt know the differnce. I just now finished the 32bit version install cd. so I dono :P
[08:09] <jasoncohen> levander, fedora has about 1800 packages...ubuntu has 16000
[08:09] <f_newton> heh I took a rh rpm and used alien (thanks to concept10) and made it a ubuntu deb package
[08:09] <melio> levander,  add the wrong repo and you can waste your box with fedora
[08:09] <melio> it's happened to many
[08:09] <melio> including me
[08:09] <melio> brb
[08:09] <f_newton> even with the so called right repo melio
[08:09] <melio> yep
[08:10] <jasoncohen> levander, if you want some uncommon packages, you will face a nightmare on fedora
[08:10] <melio> thats why I said "a terrorist could kill linux boxes with control over a repo"
[08:10] <levander> melio: You mean you don't know how much software the Red Hat fedora repositories have? What is it that you wouldn't know?
[08:10] <levander> melio: The wrong repo can do the same with ubuntu.
[08:10] <melio> levander,  I'm running fedora
[08:10] <f_newton> levander they add packages to the extras repo daily
[08:10] <melio> I'v never booted ubuntu
[08:10] <melio> I'm about to burn an install cd now
[08:10] <crispynix-v6> melio: that's why all(?) packages are signed these days and apt 0.6.x lets you know if they're not.
[08:10] <melio> I'll compare it later :P
[08:10] <jasoncohen> levander, for example, if you want openvpn from dag you can't install amarok from extras because the 2 repos don't work together. dag has lots of good stuff but it prevents you from using livna/extras which is more official/more reliable
[08:11] <levander> jasoncohen: Think I'm gonna start a list of the applications I use under ubuntu, and start seeing if they have it under fedora in the redhat repositories.  Only thing I know of that they don't have that I use is svk.
[08:11] <jasoncohen> levander, also, fc4 was released quite a while ago in june and dag and other unofficial repos still don't have packages for fc4
[08:11] <crispynix-v6> melio: well, all packages from official repos. 3rd-party repo maintainers usually don't bother.
[08:11] <crispynix-v6> melio: (you have to use apt-key add etc. to add their keys manually)
[08:11] <f_newton> jasoncohen, yes they do
[08:12] <levander> jasoncohen: are dag and extras both official Red Hat repositories for fedora?
[08:12] <melio> crispynix-v6, right. same with yum
[08:12] <f_newton> no
[08:12] <melio> keys don't matter
[08:12] <melio> sure you got the right stuff
[08:12] <levander> jasoncohen: dag is just a commonly used repository for fedora?
[08:12] <melio> but that doesnt mean the repo manager puts the packages together with a standard
[08:12] <jasoncohen> levander, let's see- off the top of my head, fedora doesn't have gaim-otr, openvpn, webmin, nessus
[08:12] <melio> levander,  yes
[08:12] <melio> dag weirs
[08:12] <jasoncohen> levander, yeah- dag isn't official
[08:12] <f_newton> thats the problem there is no standard
[08:12] <levander> jasoncohen: don't use any of those
[08:12] <sproingie> dag is not an official repo, but dag is really good at packaging
[08:12] <melio> same with atrpms
[08:12] <windex> random words of advice: if you buy a glass desk, your optical mouse won't work.
[08:13] <f_newton> atrpms are terrible
[08:13] <f_newton> lol windex
[08:13] <sproingie> dag's stuff is quite good
[08:13] <levander> windex: mouse pad
[08:13] <melio> windex: unless you spraypaint a mousepad image under it like I did
[08:13] <crispynix-v6> melio: indeed, you could get something nasty from official repositories, but with digital signing and non-anonymous maintainers, it'd be easy to track down the weakest link.
[08:13] <jasoncohen> f_newton, atrpms are the worst
[08:13] <f_newton> yes
[08:13] <jasoncohen> f_newton, they can trash a system
[08:13] <nickrud> windex, I found that out this week :)
[08:13] <jasoncohen> like using marillat on ubuntu, heh
[08:13] <f_newton> they do trash many a system
[08:13] <windex> levander, i haven't owned one for YEARS. i wound up having to put down a piece of paper and use masking tape to secure it
[08:13] <melio> brb
[08:13] <levander> lol windex
[08:13] <windex> ill buy a mouse pad next time i see one :D
[08:14] <levander> gotta sleep guys, very late in USA
[08:14] <windex> the good news is that my new desk is quite sexy.
[08:14] <nickrud> windex, you will need a lot of you, I think
[08:14] <windex> glass + steel = mmm.
[08:14] <Razor-X> I think i'm going to reinstall xfce
[08:14] <f_newton> I spent two days with yum in an endless loop of errors trying to update my fedora... when I asked for help I got the old "well it works for me" and the "its your fault" bit from the gurus
[08:15] <windex> nickrud, meh. lame joke!
[08:15] <jasoncohen> f_newton, on debian, basically everything but the illegal multimedia codecs are packaged officially- and obviously the same for ubuntu
[08:15] <Razor-X> brb people
[08:15] <nickrud> best kind
[08:15] <f_newton> jasoncohen, I like the way deb updates and operates
[08:15] <sproingie> yum has improved lately, but golly is it ever pokey on everything prior to fc4
[08:15] <jasoncohen> f_newton, the only advantage to fedora i can see is that they have security support on more apps and you get new upstream versions
[08:15] <esac> are there any gui tools for doing traffic shaping/QoS  ?
[08:15] <f_newton> but until ubuntu never found a native gnome distro
[08:15] <windex> http://www.studiorta.com/catalog/details.cfm?catalog_id=223 <-- desk. :D
[08:15] <f_newton> selinux is a good idea jasoncohen
[08:15] <jasoncohen> f_newton, yeah- i used KDE before using ubuntu
[08:15] <windex> although i put the keyboard tray on the other side.
[08:15] <sproingie> esac: there may be webmin modules
[08:16] <esac> webmin ?
[08:16] <jasoncohen> f_newton, true- how is their implementation?
[08:16] <Razor-X> back
[08:16] <f_newton> pretty good
[08:16] <jasoncohen> is ubuntu planning to use selinux at any point?
[08:16] <sproingie> esac: webmin is a nice web-based control panel app
[08:16] <Razor-X> I like KDE, it's nice
[08:16] <esac> ah cool taking a look
[08:16] <sproingie> esac: does nearly everything you can imagine
[08:16] <nickrud> pretty, my steel has holes drilled through it, more industrial
[08:16] <f_newton> yeah weve been thru this already Razor-X
[08:17] <Razor-X> f_newton: yeah, XFce went bonkers on me
[08:17] <f_newton> sorry
[08:17] <f_newton> I really like gnome so I choose a distro that bases its wm on it
[08:17] <Razor-X> eh?
[08:17] <Razor-X> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[08:17] <Razor-X> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[08:17] <Razor-X> what's up with that?
[08:18] <esac> can i just apt-get install webmin ?
[08:18] <windex> Razor-X, you're either not root or you're running apt/aptitude/synaptic more than once.
[08:18] <Razor-X> never mind ;)
[08:18] <concept10> jasoncohen, yes. ubuntu is working on it.  There is also HardendDebiam
[08:18] <Razor-X> windex: yeah, I ran it together
[08:18] <sproingie> what. the. hell.
[08:18] <windex> Razor-X, bad razor-x.
[08:18] <Razor-X> i'll use zsh's included stuff for that then
[08:18] <jasoncohen> concept10, just read the selinux breezy goal
[08:19] <jasoncohen> concept10, looks like lots of interesting new features will be in breezy...can't wait
[08:19] <windex> i really wish people wouldn't use selinux. sigh.
[08:19] <sproingie> i want to install gtk-qt on the 32bit side, and it insists on pulling down all of perl, libflac, and kdelibs to go with it
[08:19] <jasoncohen> windex, why?
[08:20] <windex> jasoncohen, i prefer to use grsecurity, and selinux is largely incompatible and incomplete in comparison.
[08:20] <melio> how come there's no md5 keys for these cds that you can download for ubantu installs
[08:21] <melio> wait found em int he dir
[08:21] <windex> melio, i beleive there is a signature for them on the mirror sites..
[08:21] <windex> melio, damn, beat me.
[08:21] <melio> yeah not on the webpage tho
[08:21] <melio> but the mirror is on the page at the bottom. too lazy to look there I guess.
[08:21] <jasoncohen> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/PackageDependencyManagement looks really good. synaptic will then have the same ability to remove a package + it's unneeded dependencies
[08:21] <jasoncohen> like aptitude can currently
[08:22] <windex> jasoncohen, as long as ubuntu's method of using selinux does not break the entire system if a kernel is not built with selinux enabled (like redhat enterprise does).. i'll be fine. :)
[08:22] <nickrud> jasoncohen, the last line is very relevant
[08:22] <jasoncohen> you can easily disable it in fedora
[08:22] <sproingie> windex: how does grsecurity compare to rsbac?
[08:23] <windex> sproingie, i've never used rsbac.
[08:23] <deprave_> konsole rocks, thanks whoever suggested it
[08:23] <deprave_> how do i save the settings
[08:23] <melio> why do they call ubuntu voodoo linux?
[08:23] <melio> "voodoo"
[08:23] <sproingie> windex: it was like the original before selinux came around and linus blessed it
[08:23] <jasoncohen> nickrud, well, aptitude's interface isn't exactly attractive. if synaptic could do what aptitude could, it would be even better than it is now
[08:23] <sproingie> melio: i don't know, because it rhymes?
[08:23] <melio> I'v heard it several times
[08:23] <windex> sproingie, i've been using grsecurity for almost as long as it's existed, so i suppose i'm a little biased. :)
[08:23] <jasoncohen> and it's currently the best gui tool for installing/upgrading and removing packages on any distro i've used
[08:23] <melio> ubuntu and voodoo. oh I can see that
[08:23] <esac> ok. ive installed webmin. how do i connect to it ?
[08:23] <f_newton> as far as I am concerned ... an os has to work and be stable enough for me to run my ministry on
[08:24] <f_newton> i simply cant be reinstalling every other day or worrying about what updates are good or bad
[08:24] <sproingie> it's african, people figure all africans are witch doctors with bones through their noses
[08:24] <concept10> esac, yourip:10000
[08:24] <melio> sproingie, how is it african?
[08:25] <melio> does that make fedora redneck?
[08:25] <melio> cause it's made in north carolina?
[08:25] <windex> sproingie, selinux and grsecurity have diffrent methods, though. selinux is about containing damage and access during a successful compromise. grsecurity is about both preventing an application exploit from functioning _and_ containing damage after a successful compromise.
[08:25] <sproingie> melio: uh... it's an african word.  the distro's home is based in south africa.
[08:25] <melio> sproingie,  isnt that spelled afrikan then?
[08:25] <sproingie> melio: if you're dutch i suppose.  it's not an afrikaans word tho
[08:26] <f_newton> sproingie, that is bullshit
[08:26] <f_newton> sorry for the languag3e
[08:26] <nickrud> jasoncohen, as far as I've been able to see, synaptic can do all that aptitude can, just not as easily
[08:26] <f_newton> most of africa is desert and there aint no bones to be had
[08:26] <f_newton> dung beetles maybe
[08:26] <f_newton> see what happens when ya cut down all the trees?
[08:26] <jasoncohen> nickrud, new users want a gui usuaully and synaptic fills that role
[08:26] <nickrud> jasoncohen, so, I try to translate :)
[08:26] <jasoncohen> i personally like apt-get - i just wish it could remove unneeded dependencies
[08:26] <concept10> esac, did you get it?
[08:26] <melio> sproingie,  I'm not dutch :P
[08:26] <jasoncohen> it's faster than aptitude and can download source & build from source, get build dependencies, show source & package info - more than aptitude can do
[08:26] <melio> ok lemme boot this and see how it works
[08:26] <melio> wish me luck
[08:26] <sproingie> f_newton: yep, just commenting on stereotypes
[08:26] <concept10> jasoncohen, why dont you use aptitude from cmd line?
[08:26] <f_newton> I know a few afrikanners that live here in texas.... very nasty minded people these guyz are
[08:26] <jasoncohen> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemUpgradeTool should make distribution upgrades easier
[08:26] <sproingie> f_newton: afrikaaners or texans?
[08:26] <melio> texans are worse :P
[08:27] <concept10> jasoncohen, sudo aptitude remove foo
[08:27] <f_newton> uh apartheid escapees
[08:27] <sproingie> lyndon johnson was a texan, he rocked
[08:27] <jasoncohen> concept10, other than removing unneeded dependencies i have no reason to and i find apt-get faster
[08:27] <f_newton> part of the old dutch afrikanners
[08:27] <windex> i used to work with a peurto rican who was raised in texas and he was a .. colorful individual.
[08:27] <jasoncohen> concept10, and because of apt's bug, apt & aptitude can't be used together
[08:27] <sproingie> f_newton: can't paint 'em all with that brush.  mark shuttleworth is a south africa native too
[08:27] <jasoncohen> concept10, can aptitude and synaptic be safely used together?
[08:27] <nickrud> sudo aptitude purge foo
[08:28] <sproingie> f_newton: well not "native".  white south african that is
[08:28] <nickrud> jasoncohen, that is the 64 dollar question
[08:28] <windex> jasoncohen, apt's bug? i've been using aptitude for everything on both ubuntu and sarge.
[08:28] <windex> jasoncohen, but i wasn't aware apt was buggy.
[08:28] <sproingie> tho "shuttleworth" doesn't really sound too dutch
[08:28] <f_newton> I was told that afrikanner is a certain type of dutch settler who espouses the apartheid philosophy
[08:28] <concept10> jasoncohen, yes, but not at the same time I would *presume*  I used aptitude to correct my firefox problems
[08:28] <jasoncohen> windex, if you use apt & aptitude together, aptitude's cache will get horribly out of wack and it will try installing random packages you have removed
[08:28] <esac> got it, thanks concept10  .. was busy trying to get traffic shaping working
[08:28] <esac> im tired of downloading torrents during the day and not being able to ssh in :)
[08:28] <concept10> esac, np
[08:28] <f_newton> those guys make a texas redneck look liberal
[08:28] <jasoncohen> windex, even after an aptitude update...the problem can only be removed by purging and re-installing aptitude
[08:28] <windex> jasoncohen, that's no good. ah well, as it turns out, i don't use apt. :)
[08:29] <nickrud> I've wondered, but not enought to test, does synaptic and aptitude maintain the same database for removing unused packages?
[08:29] <sproingie> nickrud: yes, they're both just front-ends to the apt database
[08:29] <windex> jasoncohen, why does debian / ubuntu ship both apt and aptitude? my understanding was that aptitude is a replacement for apt.
[08:29] <nickrud> sproingie, so is apt-get, but, aptitude maintains something extra
[08:29] <GudyUbuntu> hi, could someone help me regarding opengl? I'd like to know the module that corresponds to openGL, I've find freeglut but it seems that this one is in fact simply a module on top of openGL. The reason I'm asking is that in order to compile some ogl librairies, it sounds like I have to recompile ogl with the option -fPIC
[08:29] <sproingie> windex: apt is not an application
[08:29] <jasoncohen> windex, it is
[08:30] <sproingie> windex: apt is the whole system.  aptitude is an app for it
[08:30] <jasoncohen> windex, you shoul duse aptitude or apt-get
[08:30] <Iceman-AMD64> Need more 64 bit software ...
[08:30] <sproingie> windex: and aptitude doesn't have super-cow powers, apt-get does
[08:30] <concept10> everything the common person want to know about apt:http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html
[08:30] <f_newton> yeah well Iceman-AMD64 wait and there will be as time goes omn
[08:30] <f_newton> uh on
[08:30] <nickrud> libapt is what apt-get and aptitude an synaptic use
[08:30] <windex> sproingie, ... super-cow powers.
[08:30] <jasoncohen> anyways, i'm off to get sleep
[08:30] <concept10> !apt
[08:30] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, apt is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/
[08:30] <sproingie> windex: apt-get moo
[08:30] <sproingie> windex: aptitude moo
[08:31] <Iceman-AMD64> f_newton whats out there now .... any links you can guide me to
[08:31] <jasoncohen> anyone know how the gdmroadmap is going?
[08:31] <windex> sproingie, someone spent too much time on that.
[08:31] <nickrud> dependency handling is what libapt is about, the rest just use it
[08:31] <f_newton> not me sorry... I run 32bit ststems
[08:31] <jasoncohen> it's a bounty but it's shown as deferred
[08:31] <sproingie> windex: aptitude does have minesweeper built in tho
[08:31] <jasoncohen> sorry...pending
[08:31] <f_newton> but as 64 gets more prevalent so will the apps for it
[08:31] <Iceman-AMD64> just moved up myself ... so on the hunt ...;)
[08:31] <Razor-X> hahahaha!!!!
[08:31] <windex> sproingie, nevermind. 'moo' is minor compared to including minesweeper.
[08:31] <Razor-X> I removed aptitude
[08:32] <Razor-X> OMG, that was so stupid
[08:32] <Razor-X> it is in the repos, right?
[08:32] <sproingie> Razor-X: apt-get install it, no biggie
[08:32] <TheSham> concept10: i ran into a little trouble with that wiki at this command: sed -e "s/misc/kernel\/drivers\/net\/ndiswrapper/g" debian/rules > debian/temp. I dont understand that at all.
[08:32] <Razor-X> sproingie: yeah
[08:32] <fortyoz> hi, just installed woody, dist-upgraded to hoary .. but i can't install ubuntu-desktop   ?
[08:32] <Razor-X> that was really stupid XD
[08:32] <sproingie> Razor-X: mind you, don't remove dpkg
[08:32] <Razor-X> sproingie: ;)
[08:32] <concept10> TheSham, where did you see that command.. What page are you using?
[08:32] <nickrud> Razor-X, just get back ubuntu-base, aptitude will follow :)
[08:33] <esac> concept10: i am getting access denied when trying to connect .. i put https://user:pass@host:10000/
[08:33] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, current nobody is working on it, afaics
[08:33] <TheSham> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[08:33] <concept10> TheSham, the format is wrong
[08:33] <TheSham> step five
[08:33] <windex> sproingie, even if you remove dpkg you can recover by using a horribly long and tedious process of uncompressing the deb file and going through the setup steps manually.
[08:33] <Gorth> what's ubuntu's version of update-env
[08:33] <sproingie> windex: yeah but life sucks in the meantime
[08:33] <concept10> esac, you have to edit the Allow section in the config file
[08:33] <concept10> esac, gimme a sec
[08:33] <fortyoz> anyone know why i can't install ubuntu-desktop from a base woody -> hoary ?
[08:34] <TheSham> concept10: what is the proper command?
[08:34] <sproingie> Gorth: debconf i think.  it's not quite the same, sometimes it's better sometimes it's worse
[08:34] <Gorth> thanks sproingie
[08:34] <sproingie> Gorth: you never run it manually
[08:34] <Gorth> :O
[08:34] <Gorth> why not
[08:34] <concept10> TheSham, could you give me a link to the page you are using?
[08:34] <windex> sproingie, one time when 'woody' was telling people to upgrade dpkg, one of my coworkers went, what the hell is that, i don't need that... it wouldn't let him remove it, so he force removed it.. then realized what he'd done. :)
[08:34] <sproingie> Gorth: it runs automatically
[08:34] <TheSham> concept10: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[08:34] <f_newton> heck I am almost completely set up with my ubuntu install and it only took two days
[08:34] <f_newton> thats pretty good
[08:34] <Gorth> i just installed glib, but the ./configure for xmms says i still don't have glib installed!
[08:35] <nickrud> Gorth, why not just aptitude install xmms?
[08:35] <Gorth> when i did that the xmms was screwy
[08:35] <TheSham> concept10: it's step 5
[08:35] <Gorth> when i clicked play
[08:35] <Gorth> the button would stay depressed
[08:35] <Gorth> and it wouldn't respond to anything
[08:35] <viyyer> is it ok to upgrade from warty to hoary ?
[08:35] <f_newton> where are these names coming from?
[08:36] <f_newton> good lord
[08:36] <f_newton> warty hoary woody
[08:36] <f_newton> lol
[08:36] <viyyer> hehe
[08:36] <nickrud> rodents and toys
[08:36] <windex> f_newton, gotta name them something. debian uses characters from toy story.
[08:36] <sproingie> alliterative too
[08:36] <sproingie> i'm waiting for "wascally wabbit"
[08:36] <Gorth> any suggestions for my xmms woes :(
[08:37] <nickrud> Gorth, it's probably sound server issues
[08:37] <concept10> TheSham, try this instead        sed -e "s/misc/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/g" debian/rules > debian/temp
[08:37] <Gorth> doggone
[08:37] <Gorth> i thought my sound was workin fine!
[08:37] <nickrud> and cheap sound chips thrown in
[08:37] <sproingie> there's supposed to be a permanent experimental fork to replace the ever-changing names of the unstable
[08:37] <sproingie> i believe they're calling that one "Grumpy Groundhog"
[08:37] <TheSham> concept10: there was a specific error with that other command when it got to the "s part, it wasn't a recognized flag or something
[08:37] <sproingie> more like experimental than sid tho
[08:37] <windex> sproingie, that makes me feel pain.
[08:37] <TheSham> should I try it anyway?
[08:38] <sproingie> debian experimental should be called babyface.  it makes me think of that spider creature
[08:38] <viyyer> is it possible to have a smooth distupgrade from 4.0 to 5.0 ??
[08:38] <sproingie> far as i know it doesnt have a name tho
[08:38] <nickrud> Gorth, if your sound is working fine (the login sound, for example) try changing the option for sound output in xmms to esound
[08:39] <concept10> esac, use this http://webmin.com/faq.html
[08:39] <Gorth> thanks nickrud
[08:39] <concept10> TheSham, remove the s  and see what it does
[08:39] <Razor-X> any WM I install doesen't work
[08:39] <TheSham> alrighty concept10, thanks alot
[08:40] <concept10> TheSham, does it work>
[08:40] <windex> ok. it's almost 2:00am
[08:40] <Gorth> !
[08:40] <ubotu> Gorth: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[08:40] <windex> im going to go smoke a cigarette and then go to bed. :)
[08:40] <Gorth> it was default to OSS
[08:40] <windex> bye kids.
[08:40] <Gorth> esound works!
[08:40] <Gorth> hooray
[08:40] <Gorth> thanks guys
[08:41] <Razor-X> even E had its hangups too
[08:41] <Razor-X> any advice there, or should I just stick to my KDE and leave it at that?
[08:42] <GudyUbuntu> so, no one for that openGL issue?
[08:43] <GudyUbuntu> what I'd need in fact is simply a linux / ubuntu guru to compile two small .c files for me ... I've even modified the source code to reflect 64bits pointers instead of 32 ... so I guess it's mainly a matter of knowing how to do it :)
[08:44] <Razor-X> also, anyone here use mpd?
[08:44] <f_newton> GudyUbuntu, thats the story of life ... Its mainly a matter of knowing how
[08:44] <concept10> f_newton, is JIB still open this time of night?
[08:45] <mebaran151__> I cant figure out for the life of me why udev will not make the snd devices
[08:45] <mebaran151__> the modules load
[08:45] <f_newton> lol 24/7 dude
[08:45] <mebaran151__> but it does not make any of the the pcm devices
[08:45] <mebaran151__> and alsa complains it can not find any cards
[08:45] <f_newton> just the drive thru though
[08:45] <concept10> f_newton, i forget, ive havent lived in dallas much since I was 18
[08:45] <anacron> helou helou, what to do when ubuntu freezes at the login screen, i installed nvidia drivers and it won't work because of that
[08:46] <f_newton> cant say as I blame ya concept10
[08:46] <GudyUbuntu> f_newton, how about you help me, so that I learn? you know in the end, that's not even for me, I'm working on a project, and there's this plugin which requires openGL ... I'd like to test it on linux, but I've installed a 64bits linux, and of course the library I'm using is only compiled for 32bits systems ...
[08:46] <Razor-X> anacron: change your xorg.conf to use ``vesa'' again
[08:46] <f_newton> GudyUbuntu, i dont have the knowledge or the skill
[08:46] <parabolize> anacron, or nv
[08:46] <anacron> Razor-X: how can i change it if my computer freezes totaly
[08:46] <Razor-X> GudyUbuntu: then compile it for 64 bit, no?
[08:46] <nmsa> someone knows the port gnomenetmeeting is listening to?
[08:46] <Razor-X> anacron: Ctrl+Alt+F1
[08:46] <parabolize> anacron, no keys?
[08:47] <anacron> wont work
[08:47] <mebaran151__> Razor-X: I hate my snd card
[08:47] <anacron> nothing will work at that point
[08:47] <anacron> no keys, no mouse
[08:47] <nickrud> anacron, boot in recovery mode, and change /etc/rc2.d/S13gdm to K13gdm, then reboot
[08:47] <mebaran151__> damn alsa channel is always empty
[08:47] <rowanjl> Perhaps I'm missing something, but I've just installed all the mono packages I need, except one: MonoDevelop... I can't find it! Is there a repo I should add for warty that has it?
[08:47] <Razor-X> mebaran151__: it seems i've customized my box so much, WMs refuse to install
[08:47] <mebaran151__> rowanjl: universe
[08:47] <GudyUbuntu> Razor-X, sure, but I'm getting an error when (I think) linking, about needing to recompile with -fPIC
[08:47] <anacron> nickrud: with ubuntu install cd?
[08:47] <mebaran151__> Razor-X: that is funny
[08:47] <parabolize> anacron, or use a live cd to edit xorg.conf
[08:47] <mebaran151__> very very funny
[08:48] <mebaran151__> refuse?
[08:48] <Razor-X> mebaran151__: it seems so
[08:48] <nickrud> anacron, recovery should be in your grub menu
[08:48] <rowanjl> mebaran151__, I have universe, but its not there
[08:48] <anacron> nickrud: ok
[08:48] <mebaran151__> do they just say no to your drugged out partition
[08:48] <Razor-X> GudyUbuntu: hmmmm... :(
[08:48] <Razor-X> i'm not sure of the source, so, I don't know
[08:48] <GudyUbuntu> and I'm using the option, (at least I think), so either I'm doing something wrong, or I need to recompile the whole ogl libs or something else ...
[08:48] <nickrud> anacron, you'll get a console, you can call nano to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf from there
[08:48] <GudyUbuntu> how about I send you the modified sources and script I have, and you try to compile it?
[08:48] <GudyUbuntu> :'(
[08:48] <anacron> nickrud: great, thanks
[08:48] <Razor-X> GudyUbuntu: no thanks ;)
[08:49] <Razor-X> I want to get mpd to play
[08:49] <GudyUbuntu> Razor-X, you'll get your name in the Azureus 3DPlugin author for that !
[08:49] <rowanjl> If mono develop is supposed to be under universe, what is it called?
[08:49] <viyyer> hellooo
[08:49] <Razor-X> so that if I try an switch X sessions, my music keeps playing
[08:49] <Razor-X> GudyUbuntu: meh!
[08:49] <Razor-X> GudyUbuntu: so, this is for Azureus?
[08:49] <nickrud> anacron, when you're done, change gdm back to S13, then sudo invoke-rc.d gdm start will get you back to normal
[08:49] <GudyUbuntu> indeed
[08:49] <GudyUbuntu> http://azureus.sourceforge.net/plugin_details.php?plugin=3DView
[08:49] <Razor-X> Razor-X: what'd you pass to the configure script?
[08:49] <Razor-X> errr
[08:50] <Razor-X> GudyUbuntu: what'd you pass to the configure script?
[08:50] <anacron> nickrud: can't i just edit the xorg.conf, do i have to do that as well?
[08:50] <GudyUbuntu> heh, there's no configure script, only a makefile ....
[08:50] <GudyUbuntu> let me zip it and host it somewhere
[08:50] <nickrud> anacron, the rc2.d stuff is adjusting running services
[08:50] <xero> hey... really quick.  does anybody know the default password on the livecd of ubuntu hoary???
[08:50] <Razor-X> GudyUbuntu: did you get it from CVS?
[08:51] <anacron> nickrud: okay, so its impossible without doing some changes
[08:51] <nickrud> anacron, yes, if you truly lock up during boot
[08:51] <supernix> If you were going to take over the world and exchange every Windows install for Kubuntu as a desktop OS could Kubuntu do that ?
[08:51] <rowanjl> So can anyone tell me where to find monodevelop for warty?
[08:51] <Razor-X> supernix: I would think so
[08:51] <esac> im sure there is a faq, but when will breezy be usable (i.e., when will X work ?)
[08:51] <GudyUbuntu> Razor-X, no I grabbed the sources of the 32bits GTK version, I edited them to replace int by longs whenever there are pointers, and I'm trying to compile them ...
[08:51] <nickrud> no, the world would rebel :)
[08:51] <supernix> Has Kubuntu become that user friendly so far with that level of hardware support ?
[08:51] <anacron> nickrud: well i have to write that down somewhere, im at work now, so i can test it right now :)
[08:52] <RocketD> Is anyone here familiar with fwbuilder? If so how does it run on ubuntu and what are your thoughts on it? I am looking for a decent firewall/router to run on Ubuntu.
[08:52] <viyyer> anyone who's tried a warty to hoary upgrade ?
[08:53] <GudyUbuntu> Razor-X, http://play.aelitis.com/gudy/opengl.tar.gz
[08:53] <esac> supernix: personally ive ran every windows system since 3.0, and have used linux since slackware 3 days .. ive ran about 100 different distros/versions .. and kubuntu/ubuntu is #1 for me
[08:53] <onkarshinde> Now GNOME 2.12 being in Beta stage, will Breezy have GNOME 2.12?
[08:53] <f_newton> so the numbering sequence of ubuntu... this is 5.04  that means version 5 upgrade 4?
[08:53] <rowanjl> I've googled for Monodev and warty, but nothing comes up
[08:53] <f_newton> mono is ms proprietary isnt it?
[08:53] <rowanjl> O_o
[08:53] <Gorth> argh
[08:53] <Gorth> now xmms only works when i use sudo to open it
[08:54] <f_newton> poor gorth
[08:54] <nickrud> f_newton, no, .net is proprietary, mono's implementation is not
[08:54] <supernix> Ty for your input
[08:54] <esac> no, mono is ximian
[08:54] <Gorth> its properties are 755!!
[08:54] <f_newton> k
[08:54] <Gorth> :(
[08:54] <supernix> I have started pitching in my support of ubuntu as well
[08:54] <esac> f_newton: http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page
[08:54] <Gorth> any suggestions, guys? :(
[08:54] <Gorth> i've had a rough time getting used to ubuntu
[08:54] <supernix> I put a banner on my site to help increase exposure and hopefully will help my friends to make the change from Windows to Linux
[08:55] <supernix> Ubuntu/Kubunut in particular
[08:55] <Gorth> when i'm a regular user
[08:55] <Choubaka> f_newton: Ubuntu get's its version number based on the day it's released.
[08:55] <Gorth> and i type xmms
[08:55] <Gorth> it doesn't do anything!
[08:55] <LasseL> Gorth, chown gorth:users /usr/bin/xmms ??
[08:55] <Gorth> no errors - nothing!
[08:56] <onkarshinde> Does Breezy contain GNOME 2.12?
[08:56] <Choubaka> or, rather, year and month. :P
[08:56] <anacron> supernix: now when i can play games with linux there is no reason why i should use windows, and thats great
[08:56] <Gorth> lassel: still nothing :(
[08:56] <rowanjl> onkarshinde, someone told me that Ubuntu always has the latest gnome, so yes
[08:56] <gorilla_> LasseL, no... it shouldn't ne necessary to chnage the permission on xmms itself.. the per5mission problem is elsewhere
[08:57] <melio> sup
[08:57] <viyyer> thank you ubotu
[08:57] <Gorth> dobo@bunito:~$ xmms
[08:57] <Gorth> dobo@bunito:~$
[08:57] <Gorth> that's all it does!
[08:57] <rowanjl> Gorth, tried removing it and installing it again?
[08:57] <melio> OK! one issue with the installer
[08:57] <supernix> Yeah anacron I know that is a very big issue with users they must be able to play their favorite games or else it is a no go
[08:57] <Choubaka> I just noticed that it's only 2 months until Breezy is supposed to be released :/
[08:57] <Gorth> yeah :(
[08:57] <nickrud> Why do sound chip providers still not provide decent hardware mixing?
[08:57] <Gorth> rowanjl: yea :(
[08:57] <rowanjl> Gorth, darn
[08:57] <melio> if anyone codes ubuntu, they NEED to setup a defualt resolution picker at install time, otherwise some people are going to have out of range on they're monitors and not know how to fix it
[08:58] <rowanjl> Gah, can anyone tell me how to get monodevelop?
[08:58] <HrdwrBoB> melio: it does
[08:58] <melio> HrdwrBoB,  where
[08:58] <onkarshinde> Anyone used Ubuntu with HP Laptops? I want to know whether SD Card reader works.
[08:58] <nickrud> I mean, my lowly sound fusion on my 6 year old machine does better sound than newer ones
[08:58] <f_newton> melio you install it yet?
[08:58] <melio> because I Just installed it, and it offered no assistance with resolution
[08:58] <Choubaka> onkarshinde: I haven't heard of it working.
[08:58] <melio> f_newton,  running it now
[08:58] <f_newton> kewl
[08:58] <melio> ticked that it didnt give me options for resolution choices
[08:58] <f_newton> what do you think?
[08:59] <onkarshinde> Choubaka: Have you used Ubuntu on HP laptop?
[08:59] <melio> f_newton, I think they need to distribute this with less software preinstalled
[08:59] <f_newton> I had the same problem
[08:59] <Choubaka> onkarshinde: No, I have read the wiki :)
[08:59] <gpd> onkarshinde: my SD card reader on Fujitsu laptop didn't work :(
[08:59] <anacron> im testing hilight so can someone say my nick in the middle of a centence?
[08:59] <melio> f_newton,  I prefer a clean system and my own choice in what I put on it
[08:59] <Choubaka> onkarshinde: apparently SD readers don't work anywhere yet.
[08:59] <gorilla_> what are you after anacron?? :-)
[08:59] <melio> f_newton,  instead I'm forced to remove everything I don't want
[08:59] <f_newton> heh... I understand..
[08:59] <melio> which is fine
[08:59] <nickrud> a decent replacement for cron is anacron, but I don't use it
[08:59] <melio> I'll tolerate that
[09:00] <GudyUbuntu> so, anacron is it working?
[09:00] <anacron> no...
[09:00] <anacron> maybe it's this theme
[09:00] <onkarshinde> Choubaka: gpd: So is it problem with card readers or with drivers in Ubuntu?
[09:00] <f_newton> did you notice, melio how much easier it was to update?
[09:00] <bimberi> rowanjl: monodevelop is in the universe repository
[09:00] <Choubaka> onkarshinde: with drivers in all linuxes I think
[09:00] <anacron> it only hilights if my nick is in the beginning of line
[09:00] <grover> I thought installing ubuntu in server mode left you with no extra pkgs
[09:00] <rowanjl> bimberi, no it isn't...
[09:00] <gpd> onkarshinde: didn't work in any linux distro ... may have been weird card reader... my usb one works fine on desktop
[09:01] <Choubaka> onkarshinde: Other distros don't support them either.
[09:01] <melio> f_newton,  noticing now
[09:01] <rowanjl> bimberi, I searched for 'mono', but there is nothing about mono develop
[09:01] <melio> f_newton: again I prefer less software to have to update
[09:01] <bimberi> !info monodevelop
[09:01] <ubotu> monodevelop: (C#/Java/Nermele/ILasm Development Environment), section universe/devel, is optional. Version: 0.5.1-3 (hoary), Packaged size: 1533 kB, Installed size: 5568 kB
[09:01] <rowanjl> bimberi, for warty?
[09:01] <melio> hence the reason why I clean install with nothing. and do my own software additions. not that I care abotu space
[09:01] <Choubaka> melio: If you want to customise your ubuntu then you can always do the expert/custom install
[09:01] <f_newton> yeah I can understand ... I like a good desktop distro and this seems near perfect to me
[09:01] <melio> Choubaka,  I'm not an expert! :P
[09:02] <melio> and I don't know what I want so I left it defualt
[09:02] <bimberi> rowanjl: sorry - I assumed hoary :/
[09:02] <onkarshinde> Choubaka: Isn't there a way to use ndiswrapper with card readers as we can do with wifi?
[09:02] <f_newton> the expert / default would tell me the packages to choose wouldnt it?
[09:02] <Choubaka> onkarshinde: no.
[09:02] <rowanjl> Nope, I should have said warty in my question, but I got sick of asking
[09:02] <melio> I thought it would ask me for desktop/workstation/server configs. instead it only left me with 2 choices and then did a massive uncompression of all my software that I didnt even ask for
[09:02] <melio> lol
[09:02] <melio> again, I'll tolerate it
[09:02] <melio> no biggie
[09:02] <f_newton> I think they would have to make a default set of packages for the majority of newbie users melio
[09:02] <f_newton> like me
[09:02] <f_newton> lol
[09:02] <f_newton> heh
[09:02] <rowanjl> bimberi, could the hoary package be used for warty?
[09:02] <grover> rowanjl: upgrade to hoary? :)
[09:02] <Choubaka> onkarshinde: ndiswrapper only works because there's some uniform API for wireless devices in Windows..
[09:03] <melio> yeah
[09:03] <mebaran151__> what is the kernel version in Breezy
[09:03] <rowanjl> grover, feel like sending me a cd?
[09:03] <melio> we're all newbies till we figure out what to complain about I guess
[09:03] <Burgundavia> mebaran151__, 2.6.12
[09:03] <melio> :P
[09:03] <mebaran151__> I mean the last version
[09:03] <mebaran151__> 2.6.12.x
[09:03] <grover> rowanjl: you can get ubuntu to send you one for free
[09:03] <mebaran151__> x=?
[09:03] <mebaran151__> find x
[09:03] <Burgundavia> .6
[09:03] <Choubaka> Hmm, When will brezy be frozen?
[09:03] <Choubaka> breezy*
[09:03] <Burgundavia> Choubaka, already past Upstream Version Freeze
[09:03] <Choubaka> I don't remember the timeline :/
[09:03] <rowanjl> grover, thats how I got warty, I submitted for hoary in May, but got nothing
[09:03] <Burgundavia> Choubaka, release is in October
[09:04] <grover> rowanjl: hmm I got mine but yeah it did take a while
[09:04] <rowanjl> Besides, it doesn't really help me today does it?
[09:04] <Choubaka> Burgundavia: Doesn't that mean Gnome 2.12 isn't going to be there?
[09:04] <rowanjl> grover, three months?
[09:04] <Burgundavia> Choubaka, certain things are already excepted, like gnome 2.12
[09:04] <Choubaka> Ah, so.
[09:04] <grumbly> Hey, I'm having some stability issues
[09:04] <grover> rowanjl: possibly, don't remember
[09:04] <Choubaka> Not as strict as debian developers. :)
[09:04] <melio> I'll figure out how to add stuff tommrow I suppose
[09:05] <bimberi> rowanjl: possibly, you could try it, it would be best to gat any uninstalled dependencies from warty repos though
[09:05] <bimberi> s/gat/get/
[09:05] <melio> I guess I'll have to return this stupid fedora core 4 book I paid 50 bux for
[09:05] <onkarshinde> Choubaka: I am getting a new HP laptop for my dad wich has WinXP Pro preinstalled. I want to use Ubuntu on it. I am sure my Dad won't ever use SD card reader, still I wished that it worked.
[09:05] <f_newton> lol melio
[09:05] <rowanjl> bimberi, yep, so what do I add?
[09:05] <f_newton> sorry dude
[09:05] <concept10> melio, heh
[09:05] <melio> get an ubantu for dorks book
[09:05] <nickrud> melio, best refund you'll ever see :)
[09:05] <melio> I'm running riserfs tho
[09:05] <f_newton> ewww
[09:05] <f_newton> reiserfs
[09:05] <melio> figured Id try it out
[09:05] <melio> why would you eww riserfs
[09:05] <Choubaka> onkarshinde: maybe some future update will add support for it. :)
[09:05] <melio> what's wrong with you
[09:05] <f_newton> used it with suse
[09:06] <f_newton> did not like it
[09:06] <melio> why
[09:06] <f_newton> it was messy
[09:06] <melio> did you make you diabetic
[09:06] <Choubaka> riserfs .:D
[09:06] <melio> how?
[09:06] <bimberi> rowanjl: I'd download the package via http://packages.ubuntu.com and attempt to install using dpkg.
[09:06] <melio> riser is sposed to be faster
[09:06] <Choubaka> If you're going to typo it, why not just say "ricerfs" ;P
[09:06] <f_newton> the whole distro was trouble ....9.1pro
[09:06] <richardkillingsw> hey i have a question
[09:06] <melio> Choubaka,  you got an eagle talon tsi with a nice turbo and all wheel drive?
[09:06] <onkarshinde> Choubaka: Thanks for help. BTW October is winter season in India. So waiting for a 'Breezy October'
[09:07] <Burgundavia> bimberi, why did you not use synaptic?
[09:07] <grumbly> Can someone help me out with my system?  It crashes, and I can't seem to find any corelation
[09:07] <rowanjl> bimberi, ok, thanks for the help
[09:07] <Choubaka> melio: none such thing.
[09:07] <bimberi> rowanjl: if there are any dependency issues try to resolve them with apt-get (ie. from warty repositories)
[09:07] <melio> Choubaka,  Then you don't know ricer :P
[09:07] <anacron> grumbly: broken hardware maybe?
[09:07] <rowanjl> bimberi, I will :)
[09:07] <Choubaka> onkarshinde: hehe
[09:07] <grumbly> na... I did a memtest
[09:07] <grumbly> memory is Ok
[09:07] <grumbly> works on other distros
[09:07] <bimberi> Burgundavia: I'm giving some (pretty dodgy :) advice on installing monodevelop on warty
[09:07] <Choubaka> melio: I didn't say I was a ricer ;P
[09:07] <rowanjl> bimberi, but I do have the rest of mono installed, so it should be ok
[09:07] <grumbly> and in freebsd
[09:07] <melio> I don't need a coffee can on my car to make it go faster
[09:07] <melio> it is faster
[09:07] <Burgundavia> bimberi, ah
[09:07] <richardkillingsw> how do make your folders in the root open themselve up for you so you can change them
[09:07] <melio> and riserfs is sposed to be faster
[09:08] <melio> without a coffee can muffler
[09:08] <Choubaka> I wish I had a decent PC box to run breezy on.
[09:08] <richardkillingsw> like adding files and deleting files
[09:08] <Razor-X> but, ReiserFS is only good for a lot of files
[09:08] <f_newton> melio.... sounds like teenage bragging to me
[09:08] <melio> Choubaka,  breezy?
[09:08] <richardkillingsw> on ubuntu
[09:08] <Razor-X> xfs is great for overall performance
[09:08] <Choubaka> melio: (pst. reiserfs)
[09:08] <melio> reiser
[09:08] <melio> whatever
[09:08] <f_newton> breezy is the next release melio
[09:08] <Choubaka> melio: yeah. Take a sneak peek and run it before it's released.
[09:08] <melio> oh i see
[09:08] <melio> why does it require a decent pc?
[09:08] <melio> super graphical?
[09:08] <grumbly> anacron: it's only in gnome2 on ubuntu
[09:09] <Choubaka> no.
[09:09] <Choubaka> I only have a 500MHz 128MB RAM server that's of x86 architecture
[09:09] <melio> i'm not running unstable os's anymore I did that with fc4
[09:09] <grumbly> do you think it unwize to try and build gnome from source?
[09:09] <f_newton> lol melio
[09:09] <nickrud> lol, grumbly
[09:09] <Choubaka> melio: Ubuntu breezy shouldn't break anymore. .)
[09:09] <f_newton> what i didnt like was the attitude about the failures
[09:09] <grumbly> nickrud: ?
[09:10] <Choubaka> melio: there was a period when meltdown was guaranteed.
[09:10] <grumbly> I'm sick of crashing
[09:10] <f_newton> it was always my fault and it works for them
[09:10] <grumbly> only with ubuntu
[09:10] <f_newton> grumbly that doesnt sound right but I would find a distro that you didnt crash on
[09:10] <nickrud> not a good idea, but, if you want to, look at jhbuild from gnome cvs
[09:10] <concept10> what is the keyboard shortcut for screenshot?
[09:10] <kvidell> oh dear god
[09:10] <f_newton> what kind of hardware grumbly?
[09:10] <Choubaka> I wonder how well Ubuntu would work on a powerbook.
[09:11] <grumbly> f_newton: I'm thinking that the CD is funky
[09:11] <kvidell> I forgot I had a screen session with BX running
[09:11] <f_newton> prntscrn
[09:11] <kvidell> This has been here for 45 days and I _forgot_
[09:11] <Choubaka> :)
[09:11] <f_newton> could be you had a bad install
[09:11] <grumbly> f_newton: p4 2.4 intel PEBT2 board, Nvidia GeForce2,
[09:11] <richardkillingsw> how do you get authorization to change root folder on here
[09:12] <kvidell> become root?
[09:12] <f_newton> well thats a lot better then my gear and it works great for me
[09:12] <grumbly> richardkillingsw: chown?
[09:12] <melio> dude
[09:12] <melio> printers are way easyer to install in ubantu then fedora
[09:12] <richardkillingsw> how do you become become root on here
[09:12] <melio> boom done
[09:12] <melio> that was fast
[09:12] <grumbly> sudo
[09:12] <grumbly> su
[09:12] <melio> even detected it properly
[09:12] <richardkillingsw> where at
[09:12] <f_newton> lol melio
[09:12] <grumbly> richardkillingsw: terminal
[09:12] <richardkillingsw> ok
[09:12] <richardkillingsw> is that it
[09:12] <ice_1963> not sarge
[09:12] <richardkillingsw> just sudo
[09:13] <grumbly> richardkillingsw: what are you trying to do?
[09:13] <richardkillingsw> add codecs
[09:13] <richardkillingsw> for video and audio
[09:13] <richardkillingsw> win32
[09:13] <richardkillingsw> codecs
[09:13] <grumbly> you shouldnt need to sudo
[09:13] <richardkillingsw> ok
[09:13] <grumbly> tried using synaptic package manager?
[09:13] <richardkillingsw> you can use that for outside programs
[09:14] <grumbly> What program?
[09:14] <richardkillingsw> or files
[09:14] <grumbly> What program?
[09:14] <grumbly> what files
[09:14] <richardkillingsw> codecs
[09:14] <richardkillingsw> win32 codecs
[09:14] <richardkillingsw> for video and audio
[09:14] <anacron> what do you mean that you don't need sudo for installing win32codecs?, that's bullshit
[09:14] <grumbly> You're not making much sense
[09:14] <grumbly> anacron:  from within gnome?
[09:15] <anacron> yes.
[09:15] <grumbly> you shouldnt need to sudo anything.
[09:15] <grumbly> except some things
[09:15] <richardkillingsw> how do i put codecs in their proper folder on here
[09:15] <anacron> ...
[09:15] <grumbly> OH!!!!!!
[09:15] <grumbly> ok
[09:15] <grumbly> yeah...
[09:15] <grumbly> richardkillingsw: open up terminal
[09:15] <richardkillingsw> ok
[09:15] <grumbly> type su
[09:15] <grumbly> enter password
[09:15] <anacron> don't use su
[09:15] <anacron> use sudo -i
[09:15] <richardkillingsw> ok
[09:15] <richardkillingsw> im confused now
[09:15] <grumbly> that'll work too...
[09:16] <richardkillingsw> what should i really do
[09:16] <anacron> richardkillingsw: read ubuntu wiki
[09:16] <grumbly> what he said
[09:16] <ice_1963> sudo passwd root
[09:16] <anacron> richardkillingsw: there's no need for root account, as you can use sudo
[09:17] <ice_1963> you can use su
[09:17] <richardkillingsw> ok i put sudo passwd root
[09:17] <Razor-X> richardkillingsw: and if you need a root shell, try ``sudo -s''
[09:17] <grumbly> anacron: Why would you even need to use win32 A/V codecs?
[09:17] <grumbly> richardkillingsw: sudo -i
[09:17] <richardkillingsw> whats a root shell
[09:17] <grumbly> richardkillingsw:  visit www.tldp.org
[09:17] <richardkillingsw> ok
[09:17] <ice_1963> if you won't
[09:17] <grumbly> read a bit
[09:17] <Razor-X> richardkillingsw: it's what ``su'' gives you
[09:18] <richardkillingsw> now it says root@richard25k
[09:18] <grumbly> don't get too atached to this system
[09:18] <richardkillingsw> is that good
[09:18] <grumbly> yeah
[09:18] <grumbly> if you want to be root
[09:18] <richardkillingsw> ok now what
[09:18] <grumbly> you are root in that shell
[09:18] <richardkillingsw> ok
[09:18] <richardkillingsw> now how do i put those codecs in place
[09:18] <anacron> grumbly: w32 codecs for watching videos?
[09:18] <richardkillingsw> yeah
[09:18] <grumbly> how do I discover what's causing these halts?
[09:18] <nickrud> richardkillingsw, take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia , that may put the instructions in another light
[09:19] <richardkillingsw> those sites confuse me
[09:19] <grumbly> anacron: you shouldnt need the win codecs
[09:19] <richardkillingsw> just explain it here
[09:19] <richardkillingsw> yeah
[09:19] <richardkillingsw> i do
[09:19] <grumbly> richardkillingsw: maybe you should stick to windows?
[09:19] <richardkillingsw> come on
[09:19] <richardkillingsw> help me
[09:19] <anacron> richardkillingsw: yeah, you shouldn't, but you actually do with some videofiles
[09:19] <grumbly> or use VMware and become familiar with a distro
[09:19] <anacron> vlc helps a lot
[09:19] <nickrud> richardkillingsw, we try, but you need to help us out
[09:19] <richardkillingsw> what do i type to put codecs in the usr/lib folder
[09:20] <grumbly> richardkillingsw:  WHAT  EXactly are you trin to install?
[09:20] <richardkillingsw> codecs
[09:20] <f_newton> heh... well cxoffice cant handle media player too well
[09:20] <f_newton> lol
[09:20] <f_newton> at least with my small resources
[09:20] <richardkillingsw> i want to watch a movie
[09:20] <anacron> richardkillingsw: don't say that you are installing manually the codecs?
[09:20] <grumbly> yeah... you said that.  what codecs... and dont say video and audio
[09:20] <f_newton> but it still works better then fedora did at handling graphics
[09:20] <richardkillingsw> it has video but no audio
[09:20] <grumbly> what filetypes?
[09:20] <richardkillingsw> and the file is good
[09:20] <grumbly> what codec?
[09:20] <richardkillingsw> win 32
[09:20] <grumbly> what is it encoded with
[09:21] <grumbly> win32 isnt a codec
[09:21] <concept10> f_newton, media player?
[09:21] <grumbly> WMV?  wma?  ASF?
[09:21] <anacron> richardkillingsw: i you just want watch a movie, then try sudo apt-get install vlc vlc-alsa, and try to watch it with that
[09:21] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/acelpdec.ax
[09:21] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/alf2cd.acm
[09:21] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/aslcodec_dshow.dll
[09:21] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/atrac3.acm
[09:21] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/atrc.so.6.0
[09:21] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/AvidQTAVUICodec.qtx
[09:21] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/BeHereiVideo.qtx
[09:21] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/CLRVIDDC.DLL
[09:21] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/clrviddd.dll
[09:21] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/cook.so
[09:21] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/CtWbJpg.DLL
[09:21] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/DECVW_32.DLL
[09:21] <melio> great!
[09:21] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/drvc.so
[09:21] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/dspr.so.6.0
[09:21] <concept10> STOP FLODDINg!
[09:21] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/iac25_32.ax
[09:21] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/icmw_32.dll
[09:21] <melio> thank you so much for all this information no one wants
[09:21] <concept10> STOP!
[09:21] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/imc32.acm
[09:21] <grumbly> please stop it
[09:21] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/ir41_32.dll
[09:21] <liable> STOP IT
[09:21] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/ir50_32.dll
[09:21] <anacron> kick
[09:21] <melio> lol time for sleep
[09:21] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/ivvideo.dll
[09:22] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/jp2avi.dll
[09:22] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/LCMW2.dll
[09:22] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/LCODCCMW2E.dll
[09:22] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/lhacm.acm
[09:22] <melio> goodnight
[09:22] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkil
[09:22] <richardkillingsw> this is the codecs
[09:22] <richardkillingsw> do you see them
[09:22] <richardkillingsw> how am i susposed to tell you what i have
[09:22] <richardkillingsw> this is what is have for codecs
[09:22] <concept10> richardkillingsw, dont do that
[09:22] <richardkillingsw> ok
[09:22] <nickrud> lol
[09:22] <anacron> :DDDD
[09:22] <melio> richardkillingsw, google for Nopaste
[09:22] <gilv> how to install perl on ubuntu ?
[09:22] <concept10> richardkillingsw, dont ever do that again
[09:22] <grumbly> WHAT IS THE FREAKING FILE called that YOU WANT TO PLAY?????
[09:22] <grumbly> sorry for the caps
[09:22] <melio> grumbly,  they were warrented
[09:22] <anacron> grumbly: it's hard for all of us :D
[09:22] <melio> goodnight
[09:23] <concept10> !paste
[09:23] <ubotu> methinks paste is please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[09:23] <grumbly> melio: palabra... night
[09:23] <anacron> but i just can't stop laughing for that flood
[09:23] <richardkillingsw> i dont even know what youre talking about ok
[09:23] <nickrud> richardkillingsw, sudo mkdir /usr/lib/win32 ; sudo cp /home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/* /usrl/lib/win32
[09:23] <grumbly> richardkillingsw:  When you play a movie on a computer, it is a file... unless it's a dvd
[09:23] <f_newton> night melio
[09:24] <grumbly> what are the 3 letters after the . ?
[09:24] <nickrud> richardkillingsw, sudo mkdir /usr/lib/win32 ; sudo cp /home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/* /usr/lib/win32
[09:24] <nickrud> typo
[09:24] <lancer285> hey guys, is there a kernel package for a 64bit ath?
[09:24] <grumbly> lancer285: yeah.
[09:24] <grumbly> www.kernel.org
[09:24] <grumbly> not specific to an athlon
[09:24] <grumbly> but you go there... you look at it.
[09:24] <lancer285> grumby is there one available via apt-get?
[09:24] <grumbly> dunno
[09:24] <anacron> lancer285: you shouldn't use 64bit if you wan't to use flash and other good software
[09:24] <grumbly> don't have an athlon
[09:25] <lancer285> anacron, its not my pc, its a buddies
[09:25] <anacron> lancer285: what do he use it for
[09:25] <lancer285> anacron we're trying to get point2play/cedega to work
[09:25] <richardkillingsw> ok i typed all of that
[09:25] <anacron> lancer285: it's easier without updating
[09:25] <richardkillingsw> what do i type now
[09:26] <grumbly> richardkillingsw:  mov = quicktime  wmv = windows media  avi = probably divx, but maybe raw
[09:26] <casperl> hi all, should there be a /dev/pilot device in ubuntu 5.04?  Maybe that's why my palm won't be recognised.
[09:26] <lancer285> anacron: so don't worry about the kernal package for the 64bit?
[09:26] <richardkillingsw> i type that
[09:26] <olivier> Hi, what is the command to stop the X server?
[09:26] <nickrud> try playing the movie. If it doesn't play, the the all  tarball, not just essential, and copy them into /usr/lib/win32 and try again
[09:26] <anacron> lancer285: if you want to use cedega in 64bit you have to make chroot 32bit or something like that
[09:26] <richardkillingsw> ok
[09:26] <grumbly> olivier: ctrl + alt + Backspace
[09:26] <nickrud> assuming you're using mplayer
[09:27] <richardkillingsw> im using kaffeine
[09:27] <lancer285> anacron do that when running point2play?
[09:27] <olivier> grumbly: thanks
[09:27] <anacron> lancer285: i dunno, im not using point2play
[09:27] <nickrud> never used it, but I'm failrly sure it uses the same codecs
[09:27] <anacron> lancer285: but i guess it does
[09:27] <lancer285> anacron, okay thanks, I'll look on the forums for taht (:
[09:28] <olivier> grumbly: mmm, it restarted on itw own ....
[09:28] <anacron> lancer285: there's a wiki 'bout using cedega in 64bit
[09:28] <anacron> lancer285: or actually it's something like changing chroot to 32bit
[09:28] <lancer285> anacron, k, thanx! I think I have that bm'd
[09:28] <anacron> lancer285: good luck
[09:28] <concept10> I hate the fonts in Linux, I wish I could get them clear like in XP
[09:29] <richardkillingsw> alright i done it
[09:29] <richardkillingsw> i got it in there
[09:29] <Choubaka> I actually read that XP as a smiley.
[09:30] <f_newton> concept10, fedora had much better fonts and a better rendition of gnome but that is only costume ... the workings of the os are what is important to me
[09:30] <Choubaka> Curse those people who use it as such!
[09:30] <nickrud> concept10, try playing around with system-preferences-font, under details you can get adjust a bit
[09:30] <nickrud> s/get//
[09:30] <anacron> f_newton: yeah you can change fonts so what's the deal
[09:31] <richardkillingsw> ok another question
[09:31] <olivier> ctrl + alt + backspace was a bad command ....
[09:31] <anacron> the great thing in linux is that you can adjust everything if you know how to
[09:31] <concept10> f_newton, nickrud look at a screenshot :http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/1641/screenshot8xh.png
[09:31] <richardkillingsw> how do you extract .rar files on ubuntu
[09:31] <george___> hi
[09:31] <Burgundavia> richardkillingsw, wiki.ubuntu.com/FileCompression
[09:31] <george___> I have raid issue
[09:31] <anacron> richardkillingsw: sudo apt-get install rar
[09:31] <george___> can someone tell me how to fix?
[09:31] <olivier> how do you stop X?
[09:31] <george___> i been trying 2 hours
[09:31] <richardkillingsw> you put that
[09:31] <george___> how do i configure raid in ubuntu setup?
[09:32] <richardkillingsw> sudo apt-get install rar
[09:32] <anacron> olivier: sudo killall X or something
[09:32] <george___> i got the raid configed and all but grub won't install
[09:32] <anacron> richardkillingsw: not in irc :D
[09:32] <SquareGuy> richardkillingsw, install unrar then either use file-roller or via command line like unrar e file.rar to not preserve paths or unrar x file.rar to preserve paths
[09:32] <olivier> there must be a nice way to stop X ....
[09:32] <richardkillingsw> i know
[09:32] <george___> how do i partition the raid0
[09:32] <nickrud> concept10, I can read that :)
[09:32] <Razor-X> anyone use mpd, who's here now?
[09:32] <richardkillingsw> im not that stupid dude
[09:32] <george___> i need help with getting raid working
[09:32] <richardkillingsw> ok
[09:32] <george___> i got 2 160 gb, i got it raided but grub won't install
[09:32] <richardkillingsw> where do i get unrar
[09:33] <richardkillingsw> at
[09:33] <concept10> nickrud, how do i get it a little more clear than that?
[09:33] <george___> how do i config
[09:33] <Razor-X> richardkillingsw: from the repos
[09:33] <nickrud> olivier, the good way is to log out, then ctl-alt-backspace
[09:33] <george___> ubuntuguide?
[09:33] <richardkillingsw> repos
[09:33] <Razor-X> !ubuntuguide
[09:33] <richardkillingsw> ?
[09:33] <ubotu> rumour has it, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[09:33] <olivier> nickrud: I tried that, but it restarted right after
[09:33] <SquareGuy> richardkillingsw, get it via apt-get or synaptic just make sure that your repositories are set to use non-free software
[09:33] <olivier> nickrud: and when doing it in tty1 it rebooted ...
[09:33] <nickrud> olivier, oh, stop it.
[09:33] <Burgundavia> richardkillingsw, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FileCompression
[09:33] <george___> how i get this raid done?
[09:33] <Razor-X> SquareGuy: rar is free
[09:33] <richardkillingsw> ok
[09:33] <richardkillingsw> hold on
[09:33] <george___> i did ubuntu forum search
[09:33] <richardkillingsw> ok
[09:34] <Razor-X> errr, unrar
[09:34] <george___> AHHHH
[09:34] <nickrud> olivier, in tty1, invoke-rc.d gdm stop
[09:34] <Razor-X> there's a specific package unrar-nonfree
[09:34] <george___> help?
[09:34] <olivier> ha thanks :)
[09:34] <SquareGuy> Razor-X, k - i use the non-free version on unrar
[09:34] <Razor-X> that has more features than unrar, but it's, as the name says, nonfree
[09:34] <george___> amd 64 ubuntu, got raid created, but can't install grub
[09:34] <Razor-X> SquareGuy: yeah, same here
[09:34] <george___> what must i do
[09:34] <olivier> sounds like it worked :)
[09:34] <richardkillingsw> ok how do you set that
[09:35] <Razor-X> I'm trying to get mpd setup, but after that, I don't feel like using my brain on anything else for today so... yeah, I guess
[09:35] <nickrud> concept10, it's all a matter of taste, you can try the settings in the font preference, or look into fontconfig
[09:35] <george___> i need to get raid done here
[09:35] <george___> how do i do?
[09:35] <Razor-X> every Window Manager I tried failed today, ugghhhh
[09:35] <richardkillingsw> how do i set it to get non free software
[09:35] <george___> every darn attempt to get raid done failed
[09:35] <Razor-X> some nice music would ease the transition between WMs...
[09:35] <Razor-X> !tell richardkillingsw about repos
[09:36] <george___> razor u want 2 help me?
[09:36] <Razor-X> george___: there's a nice google entry on GRUB and RAID
[09:36] <grumbly> hey.... um...
[09:36] <george___> i can't config raid, i went to forum and read
[09:36] <george___> I DID tHE DARN READING
[09:36] <grumbly> (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found)  but I installed the nvidia driver
[09:36] <george___> i come here as last resort
[09:36] <Razor-X> george___: no caps, and i'll prove you wrong
[09:36] <rowanjl> blech, hoarys monodevelop can't work on warty
[09:36] <grumbly> what's the deal
[09:36] <SquareGuy> richardkillingsw, hehe i just realized im on my debain box...  umm i think you can do that under prefernces of ubuntu's update manager or in synaptics preferences.  of course you can edit them by hand but i'm not gonna go there
[09:36] <george___> ...i search in ubuntu forums
[09:36] <george___> i googled
[09:36] <Razor-X> someone else asked the exact same question
[09:36] <george___> i read ubuntu wiki
[09:36] <george___> i read ubuntuguide
[09:36] <rowanjl> Was there ever a release of monodevelop on warty?
[09:36] <george___> where??
[09:37] <Razor-X> george___: first hit on google
[09:37] <Razor-X> http://www.linuxsa.org.au/mailing-list/2003-07/1270.html
[09:37] <george___> ok i got the 320.1gb partition
[09:37] <george___> do i have to config it?
[09:37] <olivier> ... no way to install those $$##$$ nvidia drivers ....
[09:37] <taz_> hllo guys :)
[09:37] <taz_> +e :)
[09:37] <george___> is this not AFTER installing?
[09:37] <SquareGuy> richardkillingsw, its either under ubuntus update manager or in synaptics preferences.  its easy point and click.  the repositories are already there you just need to enable them
[09:38] <Razor-X> george___: yeah, and then use a live CD to edit it all
[09:38] <george___> ah fuk
[09:38] <george___> fuck
[09:38] <olivier> I wonder how pple do, I mean, nvidia has like what 50% of the graphic card market??? why on earth is that so hard to install the video drivers?
[09:38] <george___> nothing working today
[09:38] <taz_> Anyone using gallery here? .. When does ubuntu release new version of gallery in the package system? Or do i have to upgrade manually?
[09:38] <Razor-X> same here, every WM I tried just borked
[09:38] <george___> i can't get this crap done in partition disks?
[09:38] <Razor-X> I got so messed up, I accidentally got rid of aptitude -- through aptitude
[09:39] <george___> any way to fix by configging the raided partition
[09:39] <Razor-X> george___: well, it uses UNIX only utilities
[09:39] <nickrud> taz_, there probably won't be a gallery upgrade until breezy, in october
[09:39] <SquareGuy> olivier, actually i think intel has the greatest % of video market - their integrated solutions
[09:39] <Razor-X> I thought you did your reading, though
[09:39] <george___> I DID
[09:39] <george___> i got up 2 point where i made a 320 gb raided partition
[09:39] <lewwy> hey chums
[09:39] <george___> now i get another gay error
[09:39] <george___> been up since 12 AM CUZ OF GAY xp
[09:39] <taz_> nickrud, oh.. then i better update it myself.. do you know if i should remove it in the package manager before i upgrade it?
[09:39] <george___> now this..
[09:39] <george___> lol
[09:39] <gilv> once ubuntu is installed, how to configure it ?
[09:39] <richardkillingsw> ok i done all of that
[09:39] <Razor-X> were you following this guide?
[09:39] <richardkillingsw> which one is the unrar in
[09:39] <george___> i search for guide
[09:39] <nickrud> taz_, yes you should
[09:40] <george___> i didn't foollow much
[09:40] <george___> just what people post in other threads
[09:40] <lewwy> My friend is considering purchasing a new computer.  its a showdown between the amd 3000+ and the p4 3.0ghz.  what one should he get?
[09:40] <richardkillingsw> amd
[09:40] <lewwy> hes leaning towards the p4
[09:40] <richardkillingsw> get the amd
[09:40] <lewwy> but like, why
[09:40] <SquareGuy> lewwy, ummm lets see here........ AMD
[09:40] <george___> P4 eat more energy than amd
[09:40] <richardkillingsw> p4 sucks
[09:40] <george___> AMD eat less energy
[09:40] <nickrud> price
[09:40] <george___> amd cheaper
[09:40] <taz_> nickrud, ok .. thx :) Btw.. it is missing jpegtran.. do you know if i can find this package as a .deb package or something?
[09:40] <richardkillingsw> slow as hell man
[09:40] <Razor-X> you get more bang for the buck using AMD
[09:40] <george___> amd just not as gay as p4
[09:41] <richardkillingsw> i have a amd
[09:41] <richardkillingsw> its really fast
[09:41] <george___> i got 64 3000 at 2.5 ghz
[09:41] <Razor-X> george___: is there anything wrong with homosexuality?
[09:41] <casperl> re palm zire 31 sync with ubuntu 5.04, I have done everything listed in http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/pastebin.php?download=921  -  can anyone provide any further suggestions?
[09:41] <Razor-X> ;)
[09:41] <george___> hey razor
[09:41] <richardkillingsw> and mine is a 3000+
[09:41] <george___> any way to partition this ccrap?
[09:41] <richardkillingsw> too
[09:41] <george___> what i gootta do
[09:41] <Razor-X> george___: the key lies in mdadm
[09:41] <george___> mdadm?
[09:41] <george___> what?
[09:41] <Razor-X> follow the guide
[09:41] <RocketD> AMD is considerbly a better performer at this point vs a P4 and it has alot better cost advantage. Go AMD, you wont regret it. =)
[09:42] <george___> how the heck am i if i don't understand a damn word
[09:42] <SquareGuy> I can't say what P4's actually do in this forum but it rhymes with luck stock
[09:42] <george___> i GOT a RAID0 Device
[09:42] <george___> 320.1gb
[09:42] <george___> do i have to make it into ext3
[09:42] <george___> swap
[09:42] <george___> yeah sigh
[09:42] <Razor-X> george___: I suggest you do some reading into this, and then come back
[09:42] <olivier> is there a kernel-headers package with ubuntu?
[09:42] <george___> i did
[09:42] <nickrud> taz_, I don't complie much these days, but packages.ubuntu.com can probably help you out
[09:42] <george___> fuck, if i didn't i just wouldn't dive in
[09:42] <Razor-X> if you can't understand this stuff, I can't really put it into a digestable format unless I have physical contact with your system
[09:43] <olivier> (I'm trying to figure out why the nvidia installer says it doesn't find my kernel source)
[09:43] <george___> question is simple
[09:43] <taz_> nickrud, ill try that.. thx :)
[09:43] <george___> do i have to config the 320gb partition
[09:43] <george___> OR is it fine
[09:43] <RocketD> Anyone here use fwbuilder on ubuntu?
[09:43] <SquareGuy> olivier, all you should need is the headers and they are probably installed by default just use synaptic and sezarch for them
[09:43] <SquareGuy> olivier, i meant not by default, whoops
[09:44] <Razor-X> george___: you have to use mdadm to make md devices that pool the RAID partitions together in a way other software can read it
[09:44] <olivier> SquareGuy: ok, I'll restart X ...
[09:44] <Razor-X> the process is detailed in the guide
[09:44] <george___> i did that
[09:44] <george___> ALREADY
[09:44] <george___> HOLY MAN
[09:44] <taz_> nickrud, no success.. but ill find it in some way :)
[09:44] <george___> i just said i did that in the first 2 lines i was here
[09:45] <george___> now i just want to know if i have to make the partition from the 2 hds into something like ext3
[09:45] <Razor-X> george___: so you used mdadm, and you have your menu.list reflecting the resulting ``md'' devices?
[09:45] <nickrud> taz_, jpegtrans is in some debian lib, trust me. you'll just have to find the equiv name :)
[09:45] <george___> yes
[09:45] <george___> raid0
[09:45] <Razor-X> not raid0....
[09:45] <nickrud> s/ubuntu/debian/
[09:45] <Razor-X> it has to be like md0, and stuff
[09:45] <Razor-X> if you used mdadm
[09:45] <george___> what?
[09:45] <george___> where
[09:45] <george___> where
[09:45] <george___> where
[09:45] <pax> relax
[09:45] <Razor-X> george___: stop flooding
[09:45] <george___> config software raid?
[09:45] <Razor-X> read the guide, it explains it _all_
[09:46] <SquareGuy> has anyone seen/used this case?   -   http://store.yahoo.com/directron/cslx6a19.html
[09:46] <george___> i dont have live cds
[09:46] <george___> i just downloaded amd 64
[09:46] <olivier> how can I know if I have an amd64 K8 smp or not?
[09:46] <george___> i got a md0_raid0
[09:46] <freesbie> Hello Seveas :)
[09:47] <SquareGuy> olivier, if you don't know then you don't.  just type cat /proc/cpuinfo to be sure
[09:47] <Razor-X> george___: try adding that in
[09:47] <lewwy> ok, so i need some serious good reasons to put amd over p4
[09:47] <lewwy> apart from price
[09:47] <Razor-X> and yes, you can format it with any fs
[09:47] <lewwy> and the obvious stuff
[09:47] <george___> what?
[09:47] <george___> so what i have to format it 2
[09:47] <george___> do i have to format?
[09:47] <george___> where is my home
[09:47] <george___> swap
[09:47] <george___> boot
[09:47] <george___> and all that crap?
[09:47] <Razor-X> george___: yeah
[09:47] <olivier> SquareGuy: thanks
[09:47] <george___> ah fook
[09:47] <george___> this is bs
[09:47] <SquareGuy> olivier, np
[09:47] <george___> so from the raided partition
[09:48] <george___> i have to format, create swap, home dirctroies and all/
[09:48] <Razor-X> you add the fs onto it, install the files then, in the Ubuntu installer
[09:48] <SquareGuy> lewwy, amd is faster dude just check some reviews at anandtech.com or tomshardware.com, price is al;so better
[09:48] <george___> i using busted laptop
[09:48] <Razor-X> and then GRUB should configure to use it
[09:48] <george___> install the files?
[09:48] <george___> what files?
[09:48] <taz_> nickrud, oh.. ok
[09:48] <george___> what the mount point be ?
[09:49] <olivier> bah, I'll grab the generic ones ...
[09:49] <george___> do i have 2 create a swap and everything or does the installer do it automatically?
[09:49] <Razor-X> george___: the installer will install the files
[09:49] <george___> so what do i have 2 do?
[09:50] <Razor-X> but, you have to make your own swap and whatever
[09:50] <Razor-X> because of this problem
[09:50] <george___> yeah
[09:50] <olivier> grrrrrr it won't work
[09:50] <SquareGuy> olivier, whats not working?
[09:51] <nickrud> taz_, I think what you are looking for is libjpeg-progs, it has /usr/bin/jpegtran
[09:51] <olivier> installing the nvidia display drivers
[09:51] <SquareGuy> olivier, you dl them from nvidia i am assuming?
[09:51] <olivier> yep
[09:51] <SquareGuy> so what is happening
[09:52] <taz_> nickrud, ahhh thx man! :)
[09:52] <Razor-X> anyone here have experience with mpd?
[09:52] <olivier> the display is fine, I'm not complaining (with the reverse engineered drivers I guess), but I have a hard time compiling some openGL librairies ... so I'd like to use the nvidia ones ...
[09:52] <nickrud> taz_, I found that by doing apt-cache depends gallery
[09:53] <olivier> well, the installer simply doesn't work, saying it doesn't find the kernel interface, and so proposing to compile it for my kernel, but it fails telling me it doesn't find my kernel sources of something like that
[09:53] <SquareGuy> olivier, so what is happening when you try to install them?
[09:53] <taz_> nickrud, yeah..to be honest i checked depends on gallery and found that too.. but i did not know that jpegtran was included in that... hehe..
[09:53] <olivier> I have the kernel sources
[09:53] <taz_> nickrud, i did not think that far ;)
[09:53] <SquareGuy> okay, ill assume that you have gcc and everything installed.
[09:53] <nickrud> taz_, practice :)
[09:54] <taz_> nickrud, hehe :)
[09:54] <olivier> and I even compiled them (or at least I did something that took like 45 mins to compile)
[09:54] <SquareGuy> olivier, all you need is the headers but if you have the sources you will need to make sure they are setup first.  the easiest way is with the headers... trust me
[09:54] <olivier> I grabbed the .conf file being used, renamed it to something like .config (or whatever), and I did something ...
[09:54] <olivier> I've just installed the headers
[09:55] <olivier> do you think I have to log out of tty1 and relog in ?
[09:55] <SquareGuy> olivier, for you exact kernel revision?
[09:55] <f_newton> where is services located on the gui?
[09:55] <olivier> SquareGuy: ha well, that's a good question :p
[09:55] <Buffy_stufd> ;)
[09:55] <olivier> olivier: exact is a big word ... I guess, they are pretty close, let me check
[09:55] <nickrud> olivier, to get the right headers, do sudo aptitude install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[09:56] <DukGalNamu> i got a problem with the ubuntu install of wine
[09:56] <benplaut> don't we all
[09:56] <olivier> nickrud: will do
[09:56] <DukGalNamu> Please use the registry key HKEY_CURRENT_CONFIG\Software\Fonts\LogPixels
[09:56] <DukGalNamu> to set the screen resolution and remove the "Resolution" entry in the config file
[09:56] <DukGalNamu> i get that error
[09:57] <taz_> nickrud, now my gallery will look more nice thx to you ;)
[09:57] <benplaut> are you on a computer with an odd resolution?
[09:57] <DukGalNamu> and wine exits with an error code 7
[09:57] <benplaut> (like a wide-screen laptop)
[09:57] <DukGalNamu> nope
[09:57] <nickrud> taz that's as close as I get to compiling these days, glad I could help :)
[09:57] <benplaut> hmm
[09:57] <taz_> nickrud, is there a simple way to reconfigure apache2 to add this: "--enable-module=rewrite" ?
[09:57] <benplaut> !wine
[09:57] <ubotu> I don't know, benplaut
[09:57] <benplaut> oh, come on
[09:57] <DukGalNamu> !dance
[09:57] <nickrud> taz_, not a ** clue, no apache here ;)
[09:57] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, DukGalNamu
[09:58] <benplaut> don't play with the bot :P
[09:58] <DukGalNamu> !limbo
[09:58] <ubotu> DukGalNamu: Wish i knew
[09:58] <benplaut> (i get told that too much)
[09:58] <linlin> How can I install TCL on my system? apt-get install tcl returns that it is not a valid package...
[09:58] <nickrud> once ;P
[09:58] <mebaran151> crimsun
[09:58] <mebaran151> argh, I wish he were here
[09:58] <PM-Mewveez> damn
[09:58] <mebaran151> linlin, apt-cache search tcl
[09:58] <DukGalNamu> benplaut: i was hoping for more usability like the bot in ##c++
[09:58] <PM-Mewveez> that was one hell of a movie
[09:58] <Razor-X> mebaran151: you're the one that suggested mpd!
[09:58] <mebaran151> and install what it does
[09:58] <PM-Mewveez> wow
[09:58] <lomu> nas
[09:58] <Mugendai> Heya, was looking for a lil support
[09:58] <mebaran151> Razor-X, huh
[09:59] <taz_> nickrud, okis :)
[09:59] <olivier> nickrud, SquareGuy : aptitude ... is not doing anything, so I guess I have them ...
[09:59] <mebaran151> mpd?
[09:59] <benplaut> this is a blootbot :P
[09:59] <PM-Mewveez> go see stealth
[09:59] <PM-Mewveez> seriously
[09:59] <PM-Mewveez> worth every penny of eight bucks
[09:59] <PM-Mewveez> im going tomorrow
[09:59] <lomu> ei, anithin know because not found framebuffer with a vanila kernel?
[09:59] <Razor-X> Music Player Daemon
[09:59] <PM-Mewveez> gotta see that one ont he screen
[09:59] <Mugendai> just installed Ubuntu, apprently ended up with a default resolution/refresh rate thats invalid
[09:59] <olivier> let me note down the message I get from the nvidia installer
[09:59] <taz_> Question.. i wanna add "--enable-module=rewrite" for Apache2.. How do i do this the easiest way?
[09:59] <linlin> XD:  >ubotu< tcl ........ ubotu: Are you smoking crack?
[09:59] <PM-Mewveez> that was hot
[09:59] <Mugendai> screen is too wavey to read
[09:59] <Razor-X> !tell Mugendai about resolution
[10:00] <Mugendai> thank you
[10:00] <DukGalNamu> linlin: that was random
[10:00] <Mugendai> I'll hold tight to the WiKi
[10:00] <linlin> i thought it was funny...
[10:00] <linlin> im sorry :(
[10:00] <DukGalNamu> Mugendai: i had the same problem
[10:01] <Yagisan> G'day. Does anyone have a hoary pbuilder setup on powerpc ?
[10:01] <benplaut> ubotu wine is a compatibility layer used by linux to let it run [some]  windows programs. To install a recent version, go through the tutorial at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29996   to find more information, as well as a list of applications that will work with wine, go to www.winehq.org
[10:01] <mebaran151> Razor-X, that
[10:01] <ubotu> benplaut: okay
[10:01] <mebaran151> what does it do anyway
[10:01] <DukGalNamu> Mugendai: you need to find the right resolution for your computer then set it
[10:01] <mebaran151> I acutally never used it
[10:01] <benplaut> !wine
[10:01] <mebaran151> it just sounded cool
[10:01] <Razor-X> mebaran151: it's a daemon that plays music
[10:01] <mebaran151> yeah
[10:01] <mebaran151> like cplay
[10:01] <benplaut> thanks, ubotu :)
[10:01] <Razor-X> cool concept -- not workin here though
[10:01] <mebaran151> but how is different
[10:01] <mebaran151> it seems like it is network thing
[10:01] <Razor-X> it works even when X shuts down
[10:01] <Razor-X> I was switching WMs, an wanted music ;)
[10:01] <Razor-X> mebaran151: when I call mpd, I get an error
[10:01] <olivier> bah, it's really long
[10:02] <mebaran151> heheh
[10:02] <mebaran151> weird
[10:02] <DukGalNamu> benplaut: wow, how does that work?
[10:02] <DukGalNamu> benplaut: whats the syntax?
[10:02] <mebaran151> Razor-X, I am back on 32 bits
[10:02] <olivier> in short, it says I need to "have configured the kernel sources matching your kernel..."
[10:02] <mebaran151> I skimmed out
[10:02] <benplaut> !tell DukGalNamu about add
[10:02] <Razor-X> mebaran151: hmmm, I see
[10:03] <PM-Mewveez> can i delete /dev/hda1 and /dev/hda2 and resize /dev/hda3 to become /dev/hda1 ?
[10:03] <stjepan> heya
[10:03] <DukGalNamu> hehe
[10:03] <stjepan> Is there a program like task manager on Windows
[10:03] <Razor-X> PM-Mewveez: get Partition Magic, or use QTParted
[10:03] <stjepan> I mean graphical, not text
[10:03] <nickrud> benplaut, you fixed the spelling :)
[10:03] <DukGalNamu> ubotu kirk is KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!
[10:03] <olivier> it also says that "if you specified a separate output directory using either the "KNUILD_OUTPUT" or the "O" KBUILD parameter make sure to specify this directory with the SYSOUT environment variable
[10:03] <benplaut> yes :P
[10:03] <ubotu> DukGalNamu: okay
[10:03] <DukGalNamu> !kirk
[10:03] <ubotu> well, kirk is KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!
[10:03] <stjepan> so?
[10:04] <olivier> and there's also something about the SYSSRC environment variable ...
[10:04] <DukGalNamu> -_-"
[10:04] <benplaut> ubotu forget kirk
[10:04] <ubotu> benplaut: i forgot kirk
[10:04] <benplaut> don't give it useless stuff...
[10:04] <DukGalNamu> that didn't work how i planned
[10:04] <nickrud> and that's how it works
[10:04] <benplaut> i can't beleive ubotu didn't have an entry for WINE...
[10:05] <SquareGuy> olivier, yeah that is a problem.  if you have the same sources and patches as your current kernel just make sure they are untarred/linked to /usr/src/linux copy the config file from /boot to /usr/src/linux/.config do a make mrproper and a make modules.  i'm thinking thats all that would need to be done.  anyone feel free to correct me if im wrong
[10:06] <PM-Mewveez> Razor-X:  gparted does it just fine :)
[10:07] <PM-Mewveez> im gonna go watch another movie now.. toodles
[10:07] <f_newton> I am going to try one more time to install and use thunderbird
[10:07] <f_newton> dang these small laptop screens
[10:07] <SquareGuy> well gota run, need some sleep
[10:07] <olivier> SquareGuy: ok, I already did the mrproper I think ... I'll do the modules
[10:08] <nickrud> f_newton, for a small screen, you may want to switch to mutt, it's a nice console mail client
[10:08] <taz_> Question.. i wanna add "--enable-module=rewrite" for Apache2.. How do i do this the easiest way? Is this possible to include when installing apache2 as a package from the package manager or must i do this manual?
[10:08] <f_newton> I want the advanced junk mail filtering that thunderbird provides
[10:08] <sexcopter8000m> morning, does anyone know kino?
[10:08] <f_newton> evolution works fine but the old version provided by ubuntu doesnt filter well
[10:08] <cisa> hi, is there any unofficial kernel >= 2.6.12 for ubuntu? normally i don't want such new things but my soundcard isn't supported by 2.6.10.
[10:09] <sexcopter8000m> i want to use it (or any other programmes you can suggest) to make a video clip from some jpegs
[10:09] <nickrud> you can use spamassassin, or any other filter prior to any mail client.
[10:09] <SquareGuy> olivier, im not sure you might need to build lernel too.  im not sure what all nvidia is looking for.  if it bitches that your source do not match your kernel i would uninstall the headers/sources and install just the headers making sure they are the correct ones
[10:09] <cisa> sorry, i'm talking about an kernel-image :)
[10:09] <psychonate> sexcopter8000m, I think you can do that with mplayer
[10:09] <cisa> s/an/a
[10:09] <psychonate> sexcopter8000m, rather, mencoder*
[10:09] <f_newton> I tried to find services to activate spam assasin but I couldnt figure it out
[10:09] <linlin> taz_, i'd imagine you'd have to recompile for that...do it manually in other words
[10:09] <olivier> ha .... in fact setting the SYSSRC path the the newly installed kernel-headers is working
[10:09] <Razor-X> anyone here read Wheel of Time?
[10:10] <jbpunk> who can help  me   ,about  type??
[10:10] <taz_> linlin, ok.. so i remove the package in package manager then?
[10:10] <Burgundavia> Razor-X, that is complete OT, please take it elswhere
[10:10] <znh> Razor-X: no, where does it go about?
[10:10] <olivier> however, nvidia suggest that I'd update to at least 2.6.11 cause it's saying there are issues with 2.6.10 ... :'(
[10:10] <Razor-X> Burgundavia: that's true
[10:10] <sexcopter8000m> thanks psychonate
[10:10] <SquareGuy> olivier, cool
[10:10] <sexcopter8000m> i'll come back if i have trouble with that as well ;)
[10:10] <psychonate> sexcopter8000m, http://mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/menc-feat-enc-images.html
[10:10] <linlin> taz_, yes, then get the source from apache.org and compile it.  its pretty straightforward
[10:10] <psychonate> sexcopter8000m, that should help
[10:10] <taz_> linlin, ok thx :)
[10:10] <linlin> yup
[10:11] <cisa> or can i use debian kernel-images for ubuntu? it's important that there is an initrd with s-ata stuff in he package
[10:11] <znh> what the.. I can still hear my laptop making noise.. but the power is off(and the battery is not in)
[10:11] <olivier> ha, I give up ... now it's complaining itself about opengl ...
[10:11] <olivier> so I guess opengl is completely borked on my system
[10:11] <Razor-X> i'll ask one last time before bed (since I see new users), does anyone here have mpd experience?
[10:11] <jbpunk> who can speak Chinese ???
[10:12] <craig> Hey
[10:12] <znh> jbpunk: currently not
[10:12] <Razor-X> jbpunk: #ubuntu-<two-letter-language-code>
[10:12] <znh> changie pankie
[10:12] <jbpunk> I am Chinese
[10:12] <linlin> jbpunk, thats cool
[10:12] <Razor-X> (I don't know the two-letter code for Chinese)
[10:12] <f_newton> lol well that was screwy
[10:13] <f_newton> brb
[10:13] <Razor-X> (English is ``en'')
[10:13] <olivier> ... what is the X configuration tool ?
[10:13] <craig> I just have a question how do i go about getting smb working..? Thank You
[10:13] <nickrud> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:13] <DukGalNamu> znh: if your laptop is off, and its still making noise... either you need to take your poor hamster out of there, or something is shorting and you should take out the battery
[10:13] <benplaut> oliver: there is none (for GUI)
[10:13] <nickrud> oliver ^^
[10:13] <jbpunk> I know you say ,  but my  en  is very poor!!!
[10:13] <benplaut> !xserver-xorg
[10:13] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, benplaut
[10:14] <znh> DukGalNamu: I think Iam just getting paranoid
[10:14] <olivier> benplaut: I'm in a shell anyway ;)
[10:14] <benplaut> hmm
[10:14] <Razor-X> i'm 15 ;)
[10:14] <Razor-X> errr
[10:14] <benplaut> well, then do that ^^
[10:14] <mgcross> hmmm...how far away from Breazy going beta/gold....have lost track of time since moving here to Lorea....feel like I'm in a timewarp....
[10:14] <mgcross> lol
[10:14] <DukGalNamu> znh: hamsters are clever little buggers, so i would check anyways
[10:14] <mgcross> Korea
[10:14] <DukGalNamu> znh: besides, it wouldn't hurt to take out the battery and see if it still makes noise
[10:14] <Razor-X> mistype
[10:14] <nickrud> mgcross, I'm kinda hoping it'll be usable by mid august
[10:14] <znh> DukGalNamu: :-D
[10:15] <DukGalNamu> mgcross: why is everyone moving to korea
[10:15] <benplaut> ubotu xserver is to reconfigure your Xserver, in the terminal, type "sudo dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg" (sans the "").
[10:15] <ubotu> ...but xserver is already something else...
[10:15] <benplaut> !xserver
[10:15] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, xserver is or !xwindows
[10:15] <benplaut> ahh
[10:15] <benplaut> !xwindows
[10:15] <ubotu> somebody said xwindows was Linux freedom Style, User power, or RAM stingy speed Ubuntu linux is what you want it to be. http://xwinman.org/
[10:16] <Mugendai> I'll go ahead and reccomend this to anyone listening who can do anything about it
[10:16] <nickrud> rofl
[10:16] <znh> hm non-self defensing bot
[10:16] <benplaut> completely not useful
[10:16] <Mugendai> it would be goof if during install it tested that your monitor is succesfully displaying the choosen video settings
[10:16] <Mugendai> and did a fallback to lower setting or text if the user does not respond
[10:16] <benplaut> ubotu forget xserver
[10:16] <ubotu> i forgot xserver, benplaut
[10:17] <se7enone> i am having a problem with sound. no matter how i adjust the different volume controls, i still get distortion...
[10:17] <benplaut> ubotu xserver is to reconfigure your Xserver, in the terminal, type "sudo dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg" (sans the "").
[10:17] <ubotu> okay, benplaut
[10:17] <nickrud> !xserver
[10:17] <ubotu> rumour has it, xserver is to reconfigure your Xserver, in the terminal, type "sudo dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg" (sans the "").
[10:17] <znh> se7enone: you sure the master and the PCM is at 70%
[10:17] <se7enone> znh: are they supposed to be set to 70? and why?
[10:17] <DukGalNamu> ubotu: you SUCK!
[10:17] <ubotu> DukGalNamu: Bugger all, i dunno
[10:18] <DukGalNamu> ...
[10:18] <znh> ubuto forget xserver
[10:18] <Razor-X> one last last time
[10:18] <znh> ubotu forget xserver
[10:18] <ubotu> znh: i forgot xserver
[10:18] <Razor-X> anyone have mpd experience? ;)
[10:18] <DukGalNamu> ubuto?
[10:18] <znh> ubotu xserver test
[10:18] <ubotu> znh: Are you smoking crack?
[10:18] <znh> do you?
[10:18] <Razor-X> ok then, bed time
[10:18] <Razor-X> night
[10:18] <se7enone> znh: are they supposed to be set to 70? and why?
[10:18] <znh> ubotu
[10:18] <znh> !xserver
[10:18] <ubotu> znh: Are you smoking crack?
[10:19] <znh> man what's wrong with the dev's
[10:19] <znh> se7enone: If higher, you might get distr
[10:19] <DukGalNamu> znh: i think they were smoking crack
[10:19] <znh> well yea.. maybe that's why ubuntu is that great
[10:19] <DukGalNamu> ...
[10:19] <DukGalNamu> -_-"
[10:20] <DukGalNamu> umm
[10:20] <znh> -_-' ?
[10:20] <DukGalNamu> sure
[10:20] <DukGalNamu> whynot
[10:20] <nickrud> znh, cafuego (the owner of ubotu) recommends #debian-bots for experimentation
[10:20] <znh> lets open his eyes
[10:20] <znh> o_O'
[10:20] <DukGalNamu> dang.. where can i get a good bot?
[10:20] <Buffy_stufd> infobot
[10:20] <Mugendai> bah
[10:20] <znh> DukGalNamu: make one at your self
[10:20] <DukGalNamu> i tried eggdrop.. but couldn't get it working
[10:21] <Buffy_stufd> ubotu is the next gen of "infobot"
[10:21] <ubotu> Buffy_stufd: Are you smoking crack?
[10:21] <Mugendai> ookay so I did the reconfigue of xorg...
[10:21] <Mugendai> but now I just errors on boot
[10:21] <Buffy_stufd> ubotu you are a genius
[10:21] <ubotu> Buffy_stufd: I think you lost me on that one
[10:21] <mgcross> DukGalNamu: heh...I didn't know everyone was.....tell me where they ARE please....I'm sooooo lonley...lol
[10:21] <DukGalNamu> ROFL
[10:21] <Mugendai> No symbols found skipping
[10:21] <znh> DukGalNamu: what kind of bot you do need?; maybe I can make one for you
[10:22] <george___> does nforce 4 work good with linux
[10:22] <Razor-X> the next generation of ``infobot'', ``Infobot -- the addict''
[10:22] <Razor-X> XD
[10:22] <DukGalNamu> mgcross: lonely???? where the hell are you? in the mountains?
[10:22] <GudyUbuntu> sounds like I finally managed to do it :)
[10:22] <Mugendai> Unable to find valid framebuffer
[10:22] <Buffy_stufd> :x
[10:22] <george___> does nforce 4 work good with linux
[10:22] <Razor-X> (he must be pretty addicted to crack, after all)
[10:22] <Razor-X> anyways, night all
[10:22] <DukGalNamu> mgcross: just get yourself a hot chick ;)
[10:22] <znh> night Razor-X
[10:22] <george___> good night
[10:22] <nickrud> night
[10:22] <Mugendai> Screens found, but none have a usable config
[10:22] <Buffy_stufd> G'night Razor-X
[10:22] <george___> it's almost 5
[10:22] <Mugendai> no screens found
[10:22] <DukGalNamu> znh: a good one :P
[10:22] <george___> i gotta get some sleep
[10:22] <GudyUbuntu> GudyUbuntu == olivier
[10:22] <znh> olivier == GudyUbuntu
[10:23] <znh> do loop
[10:23] <znh> spam, /quit
[10:23] <mgcross> DukGalNamu: LOL! Yeah, kinda....Cheonan...plenty 'o people, but few westerners....can't get me a hot chick...my wife and son are her as well...
[10:23] <DukGalNamu> znh: i need it to dish out info like this one, easily configured, and it needs to be able to respond to things like !kirk correctly
[10:23] <sexcopter8000m> ok, i think i need to resize my jpegs first... is there a convenient tool to resize a bunch of jpegs?
[10:23] <mgcross> *here
[10:23] <znh> DukGalNamu: for what channel?
[10:23] <olivier> no more need for the command line irc ... thanks all :)
[10:23] <DukGalNamu> #datalk
[10:23] <george___> i gotta get some sleep
[10:23] <znh> DukGalNamu: may I join it?
[10:23] <george___> does nforce 4 work good with linux
[10:23] <DukGalNamu> sure
[10:24] <Y0Z> hi, how can i install some universal font?
[10:24] <Y0Z> utf-8 fonts!
[10:24] <penticlex> does any one know how to get the network settings program to edit the network config file
[10:24] <penticlex> I had to manualy edit my DNS file
[10:25] <lunitik> sexcopter8000m, apt-get install imagemagick ... one of its tools can
[10:25] <sexcopter8000m> cool, thanks
[10:25] <penticlex> it works I just want the prog to work also
[10:25] <se7enone> how can i get access to my windows drive?
[10:25] <lunitik> se7enone, mount it
[10:25] <se7enone> how?
[10:25] <Buffy_stufd> penticles - if you are new and i am. - use apt-get or synaptic to install a freindly gui - "firestarter firewall" - no muss no fuss
[10:26] <Y0Z> pengo__, echo nameserver DNS IP >> /etc/resolv.conf :)
[10:26] <Y0Z> penticlex, , echo nameserver DNS IP >> /etc/resolv.conf :)
[10:26] <lunitik> se7enone, fdisk -l  ... which of those is windows formated?
[10:26] <topyli> Y0Z: most X fonts on ubuntu seem to support utf8
[10:26] <lunitik> se7enone, and what is it formated with? NTFS or FAT32?
[10:27] <se7enone> lunitik: hda1 is ntfs
[10:27] <PM-Mewveez> i changed my mind
[10:27] <PM-Mewveez> ive already seen this one
[10:27] <lunitik> se7enone, mkdir /media/c && mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1    <-- copy and paste that
[10:28] <Y0Z> Generating locales...
[10:28] <Y0Z>   en_US.UTF-8... done
[10:28] <Y0Z>   ro_RO.ISO-8859-2... done
[10:28] <Y0Z>   ro_RO.UTF-8... done
[10:28] <Y0Z>   en_US.ISO-8859-1... done
[10:28] <Y0Z>   en_US.ISO-8859-15... done
[10:28] <se7enone> lunitik: thanks
[10:28] <Y0Z> Generation complete.
[10:28] <lunitik> se7enone, mkdir /media/c && mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /media/c   <-- copy and paste that
[10:28] <lunitik> sorry
[10:28] <lunitik> and you will only need from mount on next time
[10:28] <lunitik> note its read only currently though
[10:28] <topyli> Y0Z: please don't paste those on the channel. we've all seen locales generated before
[10:28] <Buffy_stufd> Y0Z - you are damn good at this. - nice.
[10:29] <se7enone> lunitik: will the drive be mounted if i reboot the system?
[10:29] <selinium> hi all, what are the dangers of using the backports repository?
[10:29] <Y0Z> i`m from romania, and some subtitles don`t work :(
[10:29] <topyli> se7enone: no, you need to edit /etc/fstab
[10:29] <Y0Z> sorry for the copy/paste on the channel
[10:29] <lunitik> se7enone, no... you'd need to add a simular line to /etc/fstab for that
[10:30] <lunitik> se7enone, as topyli just said
[10:30] <Buffy_stufd> was i subtle? - didn't think i could be. - lol
[10:30] <se7enone> lunitik: will do. appreciate.
[10:30] <topyli> Y0Z: the viewer doesn't use a suitable font. which viewer are you using?
[10:30] <se7enone> lunitik: the same line or similar?
[10:30] <Y0Z> gedit
[10:31] <selinium> Buffy_stufd now nown as Subtle..... :)
[10:31] <penticlex> I get permission denied
[10:31] <lunitik> se7enone, the format is pretty basic... just follow the layout already there... show me what you have when you're done (or topyli if I'm gone by then)
[10:31] <Buffy_stufd> ;)
[10:31] <bsoric> can anybody help me with an ssh problem? i just need someone to ssh into my machine and see if it works
[10:31] <penticlex> and yes I used sudo
[10:31] <penticlex> oddd
[10:31] <lunitik> se7enone, but no, its not exactly the same...
[10:31] <knowledge> apt-get install kubuntu ? to install kde and such?
[10:32] <lunitik> knowledge, kubuntu-desktop
[10:32] <lunitik> yes
[10:32] <selinium> bsoric: ok
[10:32] <knowledge> lunitik, thank you kindly
[10:32] <bsoric> selinium, thanks
[10:32] <sexcopter8000m> erm, what's the command to use imagemagick?
[10:32] <topyli> se7enone: http://snipurl.com/gom3 [wiki.ubuntu.com] 
[10:32] <bsoric> selenium: ssh sshtest@144.136.197.100
[10:32] <knowledge> lunitik, and that basically means that I have ubuntu and kubuntu installed in a sense correct?
[10:33] <hhurtta_> sexcopter8000m: imagemagic has lots of smaller programs to use
[10:33] <lunitik> sexcopter8000m, dpkg -L imagemagick | grep bin  ... something there to do with resize or munipulate
[10:33] <Madpilot> hi all - another d*mned power outage - 2nd in four nights....
[10:33] <lunitik> knowledge, sure, if you want to look at it like that  ;)
[10:33] <george___> hi i get a error with my nforce4 raid
[10:33] <penticlex> odd I had to open a term as root to do it
[10:33] <george___> it says the ext3 failed
[10:33] <lunitik> sexcopter8000m, imagemagick is a collection of tools
[10:33] <cyphase> anyone know when Gnome is going to have tags?
[10:33] <knowledge> coolness, thanks again
[10:33] <george___> how do i fix?
[10:34] <sexcopter8000m> ok, is there a man page i can read?
[10:34] <lunitik> cyphase, define 'tags'>
[10:34] <cyphase> i mean the version, not the date
[10:34] <sexcopter8000m> what does -L do lunitik?
[10:34] <cyphase> lunitik, like categories on a blog
[10:34] <cyphase> except for files
[10:34] <lunitik> sexcopter8000m, lists the contents of a package... what it installed, and where
[10:34] <hhurtta_> sexcopter8000m: it lists contents of a package
[10:34] <sexcopter8000m> ok
[10:34] <george___> i get this message when creating ext3 file system for/ in partition #1 of raid0 device #0
[10:35] <george___> it says
[10:35] <george___> failed to create a file system
[10:35] <george___> the ext3 file system creation in partition #1 of raid0 device #0 failed
[10:35] <george___> wwhat i do
[10:35] <HrdwrBoB> george___: where do you get that message
[10:35] <george___> when i am partitioning
[10:36] <george___> writing the partition
[10:36] <lunitik> george___, during install?
[10:36] <george___> top says please wait...
[10:36] <george___> yes
[10:36] <selinium> bsoric: No joy i'm afraid
[10:36] <george___> during install
[10:36] <bsoric> damn
[10:36] <bsoric> ah well, thanks anyway
[10:36] <george___> i am raiding 2 160gb wd
[10:36] <selinium> bsoric: are you using a router?
[10:36] <george___> i have a dfi lanparty ut nf4 ultra-d
[10:36] <penticlex> testing
[10:36] <george___> error message happens after 100%
[10:36] <penticlex> YOZ: thanks
[10:36] <HrdwrBoB> george___: linux software raid?
[10:37] <george___> what?
[10:37] <selinium> hi all, what are the dangers of using the backports repository?
[10:37] <george___> yes i said up the software raid
[10:37] <george___> i made 160 into raid
[10:37] <george___> then when software raid
[10:37] <george___> raid0
[10:37] <george___> followed instructins
[10:37] <george___> then try and partition the 320 gb hd and get error
[10:37] <george___> raid0 does not lik eme
[10:37] <PurpleMotion> is there a development package for superkaramba? like an rad ide or something?
[10:38] <HrdwrBoB> george___: if it's linux software raid
[10:38] <Buffy_stufd> george - dfi nf4 ultra-d - nice board bios is infinetly configurable. - great for OC.
[10:38] <HrdwrBoB> it will be md0
[10:38] <PurpleMotion> s/a/an
[10:38] <george___> yes
[10:38] <george___> it says md0
[10:38] <HrdwrBoB> ok
[10:38] <george___> md0_raid0
[10:38] <george___> but i get
[10:38] <george___> failed to create a file system
[10:38] <HrdwrBoB> does it give you anymore information
[10:38] <HrdwrBoB> what does cat /proc/mdstat say
[10:38] <george___> the ext3 file system creation in partition #1 of raid0 device #0 failed.
[10:39] <george___> i can do a use as and it work s
[10:39] <george___> but when i try and create boot and share and stuff it won't work
[10:39] <lunitik> george___, during install... hit ctrl+f2 and type what HrdwrBoB said
[10:39] <PurpleMotion> see that's the shit i wanna get into.. raid arrays and lvm mirroring and gigabit imaging
[10:39] <PurpleMotion> where's the certification for that :D
[10:39] <topyli> selinium: it's not as bad as it used to be. they're even labeled "official" now
[10:40] <george___> ok
[10:40] <HrdwrBoB> PurpleMotion: just get a few drives and play with it, it's deceptively easy once you understand the concepts
[10:40] <HrdwrBoB> ok, time to go cook dinner
[10:40] <topyli> selinium: they're unsupported of course
[10:40] <george___> when do i do this
[10:40] <PurpleMotion> HrdwrBoB:  yeah i know, i just wanna know if there's a certification for it :D
[10:40] <george___> when i click finish partitioning and wirte changes to disk?
[10:40] <selinium> topli: cheers. I get a little nervous about these things occasionally! :)
[10:40] <PurpleMotion> Jay needs a JOB
[10:40] <PurpleMotion> heh
[10:40] <lunitik> george___, after you've created to raid array...
[10:40] <HrdwrBoB> PurpleMotion: there's all sorts of certification and none of it means diddly squat
[10:41] <george___> ok, should i delete the 160 raid drives 2
[10:41] <PurpleMotion> It sure as hell does when you're applying for a job
[10:41] <topyli> selinium: it's another thing how much you gain by using these unsupported packages. backports hoary-extras may have something you want though
[10:41] <lunitik> HrdwrBoB, it provides a peice of paper saying "I can do this"... if your employer trusts you, then its unneeded though sure...
[10:41] <george___> what's lgm?
[10:41] <lunitik> george___, lvm?
[10:41] <selinium> topli: i only normally use them for restricted files decoders. Is there a problem with getting files from backports then removing backports after?
[10:42] <PurpleMotion> linux volume manager
[10:42] <lunitik> george___, a kind of software raid...
[10:42] <PurpleMotion> yeah
[10:42] <george___> should i try that?
[10:42] <PurpleMotion> a pretty nice kinda software raid, actually
[10:42] <lunitik> george___, you can if you want
[10:42] <topyli> selinium: no problem there
[10:42] <selinium> topli: cheers!
[10:42] <george___> does it work same?
[10:42] <george___> cuz raid is being a pain in the dock
[10:42] <george___> so ctrl + f2 when creating raid/
[10:42] <Buffy_stufd> !raid
[10:42] <ubotu> Buffy_stufd: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[10:42] <lunitik> george___, no, else it wouldn't exist...
[10:42] <Positron> can someone guide me for doing a partition of my hd before installing win and then ubuntu?
[10:42] <knowledge> when people say "don't use ubuntuguide"...do they say it because of the backports used? or some other reason?
[10:43] <george___> lol
[10:43] <george___> sorry
[10:43] <lunitik> george___, it accomplishes bascially the same thing though
[10:43] <george___> 5 am didn't get no sleep
[10:43] <ach> I can't start up gnome session in ubuntu the system crashes. I can onle get into recovery console mode. Can anyone help?
[10:43] <george___> lol
[10:43] <lunitik> basically*
[10:43] <PurpleMotion> it can be somewhat intensive.. remember it's software.. if you're going with mirroring applications, remember that every byte you write to the system is being written twice, and the engine controlling it is taking cpu cycles
[10:43] <george___> what difference
[10:43] <george___> i just want to do a raid 0 ish thing
[10:43] <george___> lgm will do
[10:43] <george___> ??
[10:43] <lunitik> george___, LVM is raid without the safety...
[10:44] <topyli> Positron: when you install windows, use its partitioning tool to create the windows partitions. leave some unpartitioned space at the end of the disk, that's all
[10:44] <lunitik> george___, LVM not LGM
[10:44] <george___> sorry
[10:44] <selinium> knowledge: because it does not tell you why you are keying what you are keying. For a better understanding of what you are trying to do look it up on https://wiki.ubuntu,com
[10:44] <george___> safety?
[10:44] <george___> this thing anit safe
[10:44] <george___> ?
[10:44] <knowledge> selinium, I see, but the backports that are listed on that site are ok to use?
[10:45] <Madpilot> ubotu tell knowledge about ubuntuguide
[10:45] <PurpleMotion> heh, install linux first, and leave like 10 gigs for windows.. once in linux, install vmware and give it direct access to the blank space you left, then install win through that :D that way you have no native windows system and you are truly 1337
[10:45] <lunitik> george___, the different raid levels provide safety because you're making duplicates of data... LVM doesn't do this... it just makes the drives seem as one...
[10:45] <topyli> knowledge: there's an official backports repository now. only hoary-extras must be fetched from outside archive.ubuntu.com
[10:45] <knowledge> yeah, it used to be in the topic, but I don't see it anymore
[10:46] <PurpleMotion> lunitik:  which really isnt necessary (just mount it somewhere) and could suck big time if a large file got split across the drives
[10:47] <george___> what's the difference between raid and lgm or whatever
[10:47] <lunitik> PurpleMotion, true enough... which is why I'm not using LVM  ;)
[10:47] <lunitik> george___, I just told you
[10:47] <george___> where
[10:47] <PurpleMotion> george___:  we just told you as plain as it can be told.. raid glues drives together and provides backups.. lvm only glues them together
[10:48] <PurpleMotion> without providing backups
[10:48] <george___> backups?
[10:48] <george___> raid0 has backup
[10:48] <george___> ??
[10:48] <PurpleMotion> although i've heard of lvm used for mirroring
[10:48] <george___> really?
[10:48] <george___> so is lvm like raid0?
[10:48] <ach> "The Gnome session manager  (process 7042) has crashed due to fatal error (segmentation fault)" does this look familiar to anyone?
[10:48] <lunitik> george___, LVM = multiple disks functioning as one ... RAID = duplicates data across 2 or more disks to provide a way to recover from data loss
[10:48] <george___> ah
[10:49] <PurpleMotion> that looks like it sucks
[10:49] <topyli> ach: looks like a good old crash
[10:49] <george___> raid 0 has data loss protection?
[10:49] <PurpleMotion> good ole reliable
[10:49] <rickity> ach, where did you get your install CD?
[10:49] <PurpleMotion> int he form of mirroring capabilities, yes
[10:49] <george___> interesting
[10:49] <george___> new 160 hds
[10:49] <george___> i try lvm
[10:50] <PurpleMotion> have fun
[10:50] <george___> if error i fooking glueing hds
[10:50] <PurpleMotion> questiont hough
[10:50] <george___> purple have fun meaning good or bad?
[10:50] <lunitik> PurpleMotion, I've never seen anything refering to that... LVM, you can have disks on many computers act like one though... all your systems can share a central virtual harddrive...
[10:50] <rickity> ach, you should check your cd images md5
[10:50] <PurpleMotion> why? who not just mount different ones in different places
[10:50] <topyli> PurpleMotion: please don't "flex" your "kde" in public :)
[10:50] <george___> fuck
[10:50] <george___> raid and lvm not working
[10:50] <george___> peice of crap
[10:50] <lunitik> PurpleMotion, don't ask me... thats the idea behind LVM1/2 though
[10:50] <george___> ubuntu, windows all hates me
[10:50] <PurpleMotion> george
[10:51] <PurpleMotion> breathe
[10:51] <ach> from the net, it has been up and running but I recently updated it and I added some programs according to the ubuntuguide
[10:51] <PurpleMotion> why cant you just mount them both?
[10:51] <george___> ...I wanted a big hd
[10:51] <george___> instead of 2 hds
[10:51] <george___> made computer go faster 2
[10:51] <topyli> ach: one of the programs you installed crashed the running session manager
[10:51] <PurpleMotion> not if you're using software raid
[10:51] <PurpleMotion> you'll be taking cpu cycles
[10:52] <lunitik> PurpleMotion, Red Hat is pushing LVM2 also, so you may want to get your head around it somwhat... everything Red Hat pushes becomes a defacto standard in the Linux world eventually...
[10:52] <PurpleMotion> you're better off, performance wise leaving them mounted seperately
[10:52] <george___> ...what? raid0 improved my pc
[10:52] <ach> topyli it has something to do with the registering of the session with wtmp and utmp
[10:52] <PurpleMotion> because raid is HARDWARE
[10:52] <PurpleMotion> :)
[10:52] <topyli> ach: which are X stuff
[10:52] <PurpleMotion> lvm is software, your cpu has to make it work
[10:52] <vdm> xchat has ssl enabled?
[10:52] <lunitik> vdm, no
[10:52] <PurpleMotion> and it works allt he time
[10:53] <george___> U TELLING ME TO get a raid CONTROLLER/
[10:53] <george___> ??
[10:53] <lunitik> vdm, you can turn it on though...
[10:53] <george___> i got a p2 notebook that's been fooked over the years
[10:53] <PurpleMotion> if you want to speed your system up, yup
[10:53] <george___> i can't help
[10:53] <topyli> ach: so now you cannot login to gnome?
[10:53] <george___> ah fook
[10:53] <vdm> lunitik, in preferances?
[10:53] <george___> i need araid though
[10:53] <george___> crap crap crap
[10:53] <george___> ah fook
[10:53] <george___> hwy me
[10:53] <george___> i have about 8 dvd backups i gotta pour into machine on 1 hd
[10:53] <george___> files are fooking huge
[10:53] <PurpleMotion> I ask myself that sometimes.. Why George?
[10:53] <PurpleMotion> :D
[10:54] <knowledge> Good night everyone....
[10:54] <george___> anyway to get raid or lvm to work?
[10:54] <lunitik> vdm, X-Chat > Server List > *anyserver* > Edit > there
[10:54] <se7enone> night?
[10:54] <george___> no way?
[10:54] <george___> i need to
[10:54] <PurpleMotion> why do they have to be on one hd? why not put four on one, and four on the toher
[10:54] <ach> topyli: I get the login screen and put in username and pw but after this it crashes
[10:54] <george___> i can't
[10:54] <vdm> lunitik, Aaah, thats why i didnt find it =)  Cheers
[10:54] <george___> it has to be together
[10:54] <george___> or the file won't run
[10:54] <lunitik> vdm, you're welcome
[10:54] <topyli> ach: yep. you need to clean up after the crashed session
[10:55] <knowledge> thanks selinium, Madpilot, lunitik, and topyli ....
[10:55] <george___> purple can u give me a guide on how to raid
[10:55] <PurpleMotion> so you have to dump eight full dvd images into one directory in order for it to work?
[10:55] <george___> or osmething??
[10:55] <knowledge> hell, and everyone else that has helped me so far
[10:55] <PurpleMotion> !raid
[10:55] <ubotu> PurpleMotion: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[10:55] <george___> not dump
[10:55] <PurpleMotion> !lvm
[10:55] <ubotu> I don't know, PurpleMotion
[10:55] <ach> topyli: which means?
[10:55] <george___> dvds all have termperoarly files
[10:55] <george___> the rars
[10:55] <PurpleMotion> ubotu what do you know, eh?
[10:55] <ubotu> PurpleMotion: Bugger all, i dunno
[10:55] <george___> !raid
[10:55] <ubotu> george___: Are you smoking crack?
[10:55] <george___> no no
[10:55] <lunitik> PurpleMotion, teach it  :)
[10:56] <PurpleMotion> george___:  go to tldp.org and search for raid and lvm
[10:56] <george___> nefermind
[10:56] <george___> it's 5
[10:56] <PurpleMotion> lunitik:  as soon as i find it ont he wiki, i intend to
[10:56] <george___> drunk/sleep
[10:56] <george___> i already read raid
[10:56] <george___> at that site
[10:56] <Madpilot> george___: when you're away and sober, check this out: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/RAID1
[10:56] <Madpilot> *awake
[10:56] <topyli> ach: your files in /tmp, .Xauthority in your home dir, at least
[10:57] <PurpleMotion> ubotu raid is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaidConfigurationHowto
[10:57] <ubotu> PurpleMotion: okay
[10:57] <Yagisan> Madpilot. RAID is broken in hoary. see http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4944
[10:58] <Madpilot> Yagisan: will read. I haven't done anything w/ RAID myself - was just searching the wiki...
[10:58] <george___> raid and lvm fucked up
[10:58] <topyli> topyli: in /tmp, delete the gconfd directory that belongs to you. perhaps the orbit dir as well. then delete .Xauthority and try logging in
[10:58] <lunitik> That page ought to explain raid1 ... stripped right?
[10:58] <PurpleMotion> someone should write or port an lvm howto to the wiki
[10:58] <Yagisan> Madpilot: I run RAID5 on hoary. My "fix" is last comment on bug report
[10:59] <Madpilot> PurpleMotion: write it and post it! ;)
[10:59] <george___> purple can u help
[10:59] <george___> i still get that error
[10:59] <PurpleMotion> is it alright to plagerize(sp)?
[10:59] <george___> what?
[10:59] <topyli> ach: see above, i seem to be talking to myself :)
[10:59] <PurpleMotion> can I rip a HowTo from elsewhere, doctor it with the right apt-get's, and post it?
[10:59] <george___> the ext3 file system creating in partition 2 of raid0 device 0 failed
[10:59] <Yagisan> lunitik: RAID1 is mirror
[10:59] <lunitik> PurpleMotion, so long as its correct, I don't see why not  :)
[10:59] <george___> that's the error message
[10:59] <george___> the ext3 file system creating in partition 2 of raid0 device 0 failed
[11:00] <PurpleMotion> right on, im on it
[11:00] <george___> that the message
[11:00] <PurpleMotion> been wanting a reason to get myself on the wiki :D
[11:00] <george___> why it giving me that message
[11:00] <lunitik> Yagisan, bah... that makes RAID0 stripped then huh?
[11:00] <ach> topyli: do you mean that I have to delete the files in my home/tmp directory?
[11:00] <george___> the ext3 file system creating in partition 2 of raid0 device 0 failed
[11:00] <george___> grr
[11:00] <george___> why
[11:00] <Seveas> george___, stop it
[11:00] <Yagisan> lunitik: Yes.
[11:00] <Seveas> you're being obnoxious
[11:00] <PurpleMotion> george___:  silly question... have you PARTITIONED these disks?
[11:00] <lunitik> Yagisan, k, good  :)
[11:00] <george___> yes
[11:00] <topyli> ach: no. from /tmp, your orbit and gconfd directories
[11:00] <PurpleMotion> both of them?
[11:00] <george___> yes RAID VOLUME
[11:00] <Madpilot> PurpleMotion: you'll want to check license/copyright - don't be too blatant, in other words...
[11:01] <PurpleMotion> Madpilot:  right on.
[11:01] <topyli> ach: and $HOME/.Xauthority
[11:01] <george___> so hdb it raid 160 primary
[11:01] <george___> hda is raid 160 primary
[11:01] <george___> now do i go into software raid?
[11:01] <george___> what kinda raid?
[11:01] <Madpilot> PurpleMotion: heck, if you find a good resource, contact the author & ask permission to borrow & adapt for the Ubuntu wiki. they might well say yes.
[11:01] <george___> RAID0, RAID1,
[11:02] <george___> which raid
[11:02] <Yagisan> people - before setting up RAID in hoary, look at the bug report I posted. You will waste hours if you don't
[11:02] <lunitik> george___, why do you want to use RAID? you don't seem like you'd have data thats important enough (no offense intended)
[11:02] <PurpleMotion> I'll tell them I did it, and add that if they'd like me to remove it, I'd be happy to
[11:02] <chrisq> too bad i didnt go here before upgrading to breezy :)
[11:02] <Seveas> george___, stop being obnoxious and bringing noise in the channel - get back when you're sober....
[11:02] <vladuz976> can anyone help me? my ubuntu keeps freezing, it's completely unusable
[11:02] <george___> fuck u
[11:02] <lunitik> chrisq, haha
[11:03] <lunitik> vladuz976, breezy?
[11:03] <vladuz976> lunitik: no hoary
[11:03] <Seveas> vladuz976, at which point does it freeze?
[11:03] <PurpleMotion> Seveas:  he's having quite a hard time gluing his drives together
[11:03] <Yagisan> vladuz976: D you have nvidia drivers ?
[11:03] <Madpilot> PurpleMotion: ask first, it's the better thing to do.
[11:03] <vladuz976> Seveas: no pattern really
[11:03] <lunitik> Seveas, you're an op too? or just being funny  :P
[11:03] <vladuz976> Yagisan: yes
[11:03] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, he's giving the channel quite a hard time with his behaviour....
[11:03] <ach> topyli: I'm new to this, please explain further
[11:03] <Seveas> gorilla_, we don't vote about that...
[11:04] <PurpleMotion> ubotu lvm is (for the moment) http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/
[11:04] <ubotu> okay, PurpleMotion
[11:04] <vladuz976> this freezing just started today
[11:04] <PurpleMotion> !raid
[11:04] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, raid is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaidConfigurationHowto
[11:04] <PurpleMotion> !lvm
[11:04] <ubotu> well, lvm is (for the moment) http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/
[11:04] <Buffy_stufd> george - sleep deprived - get some rest. - we'll all be here and happy to help. :)
[11:04] <PurpleMotion> there we go
[11:04] <lunitik> vladuz976, you install anything knew today?
[11:04] <vladuz976> lunitik: yes mutt and fetchmail
[11:04] <Seveas> vladuz976, anything special you did today before it started?
[11:04] <Yagisan> vladuz976: Renderaccell has a bug. Memory leak and crashes. If you enabled it in xorg.conf, diable it
[11:04] <vladuz976> Yagisan: disable the Rendering
[11:04] <Seveas> Yagisan, please add that to the wikipage about nvidia
[11:05] <pax> anyone knows how to flush mail in queu?
[11:05] <Yagisan> Seveas: Where is page, and how do i edit ?
[11:05] <topyli> ach: ok. do ctrl-alt-F2 to get a console. then do 'rm -rf /tmp gconfd-<youruser> /tmp/orbit-<youruser> /home/<youruser>/.Xauthority' (no quotes of course)
[11:05] <Seveas> Yagisan, i'll do it ;)
[11:05] <topyli> ach: then do ctrl-alt-F7 to get back to gdm
[11:05] <selinium> is it possible to read your mbox file with thunderbird or similar?
[11:06] <lunitik> selinium, yes... configure it to do local and point it there...
[11:06] <Yagisan> Seveas: Option          "RenderAccel"   "false"
[11:06] <vladuz976> Yagisan: just comment out that one line?
[11:06] <topyli> ach: an oh, you have to login to that F2 console of course :)
[11:06] <selinium> lunitik: cool. Cheers
[11:06] <vladuz976> Yagisan: what about the one underneath? "allowGLXwithcomposite"
[11:06] <Yagisan> vladuz976: I specifically make it false ie Option          "RenderAccel"   "false"
[11:07] <topyli> ach: be sure to make no typos when using 'rm -rf'
[11:07] <Yagisan> vladuz976: never tried allowGLXwithcomposite
[11:07] <lunitik> Yagisan, you realize those spaces are just to make it pretty, right?  :P
[11:07] <globule> Hi !
[11:08] <lunitik> !hi globule
[11:08] <vladuz976> Yagisan: what does allowGLXwith composite do? i don't even know why it's enabled
[11:08] <ubotu> No idea, lunitik
[11:08] <topyli> ach: i just made a typo it's /tmp/gconfd-<youruser> of course
[11:08] <Yagisan> lunitik: yeah, I just grabed the output from grep and pasted
[11:08] <Tauop> hi
[11:08] <lunitik> damnit
[11:08] <globule> lut ! lunitik  :)
[11:08] <selinium> Could someone put a safe sources.list page up on wiki? I'd do it but I don't know what is safe! :)
[11:08] <Tauop> I have an error with dpkg -i (error 127). How can I know how to solve this error ? How can I have more information on the error ?
[11:08] <lunitik> selinium, there was one
[11:09] <Coss> Hello
[11:09] <Yagisan> vladuz976: lets you run glx games with the composite extension loaded. They normally conflict. It's listed in the nvidia docs.
[11:09] <Coss> Im sitting at windows and want to try ubuntu out, how do i install it (i have downloaded the .iso)? and how to set it so windows doesnt start?
[11:10] <Bubbling_Zombie> Coss when you install ubuntu it'll install a program that will give you the choice between ubuntu and your windows
[11:10] <lunitik> !install
[11:10] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, lunitik
[11:10] <topyli> selinium: feel free to use mine as a template: http://siltala.net/sources.list . everything below the ## UNOFFICIAL line is unsafe. also, the breezy and debian sources are unnecessary
[11:10] <lunitik> !botslap
[11:10] <ubotu> Wish i knew, lunitik
[11:11] <lunitik> !lart ubotu
[11:11] <lunitik> stupid bot
[11:11] <Coss> yeah but how do i install ubuntu?  :S i cant mount the cd
[11:11] <lunitik> Coss, you don't mount it... you restart the machine
[11:11] <Madpilot> :) I didn't know ubotu could do actions. cool!
[11:11] <Magdeburger> linux for human beeings, lunitik *g*
[11:11] <tikka> anyone here got an ati graphics card working with good screen redraw rates? (mine is sucking bad)
[11:11] <Coss> lunitik, where do i lay it?
[11:11] <lunitik> Coss, umm... in the CD drive?
[11:12] <ach> Topyli: The Gnome session manager (process 7187) has crashed due to fatal error (segmentation fault) error number has changed, I'm looking at the details
[11:12] <selinium> topyli: Cheers, there are plenty of HOWTO's on changing the sources.list file. But not one that says, use this for this, use this for that, use this to break your ubuntu.... :)
[11:12] <topyli> selinium: the real url is http://siltala.net/comp/sources.list , sorry
[11:12] <Coss> i dont have it on cd
[11:12] <tikka> glxgears says, "1846 frames in 5.0 seconds = 369.200 FP".
[11:12] <selinium> topyli: cheers
[11:12] <lunitik> Coss, then it might help to burn it on to one
[11:12] <ZincX> lol
[11:12] <Coss> you must?
[11:12] <Yagisan> anyone here with a powerpc hoary pbuilder setup ?
[11:13] <lunitik> Coss, I suppose not... no... only if you want to install it...
[11:13] <Coss> hehe
[11:13] <topyli> ach: hrm. i found that there's also a .gconfd directory in your home dir. so, in addition to the others, you may have to delete that too
[11:14] <topyli> ach: if removing all those doesn't help, your problem lies elsewhere. then perhaps it's easiest to reboot
[11:14] <Madpilot> selinium: there actually is a wiki page called BreakMyUbuntu - look it up! ;)
[11:15] <lunitik> Madpilot, all it need say right now is "Upgrade to Breezy"
[11:16] <Madpilot> lunitik: yeah, probably!
[11:17] <selinium> Madpilot: I have seen this before in my travels through the wiki in search of sources.
[11:17] <ach> topyli: I'm rebooting, lets see
[11:17] <topyli> ach: good luck
[11:18] <PurpleMotion> that's right
[11:18] <PurpleMotion> I am a pimp
[11:19] <ach> topyli, I'm embarresed to say that all I needed was to reboot. I have worked too much with windows I guess
[11:20] <ach> topyli, thanx
[11:20] <topyli> ach: it certainly wasn't necessary. we just weren't able to fix the real problem
[11:21] <topyli> ach: sometimes we just have to admit it :)
[11:22] <Yagisan> topyli: I notice you have a few games listed in your sources.list
[11:22] <Sionide> hrm
[11:22] <Sionide> why do i get no sound when playing stuff on flash?
[11:22] <topyli> Yagisan: yeah, unstable releases of some niceties
[11:23] <selinium> whats the command line that tell you what chipset you are using. (686) I can't find it :(
[11:23] <daniellewis> hello, can Ubuntu run on an ntfs drive? I have heard that RedHat can't, but can Ubuntu do it?
[11:23] <topyli> Yagisan: wormux for example doesn't work on my box at all :)
[11:24] <Buffy_stufd> !flash
[11:24] <ubotu> it has been said that flash is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:24] <Sionide> daniellewis, doubt it, linux support for ntfs is dodgy at best at the moment - i can access my ntfs hard disk, but i cannot write to it
[11:24] <Buffy_stufd> :/ - not much help there...
[11:25] <Sionide> *shrug*
[11:25] <Sionide> it works
[11:25] <parabolize> daniellewis, why do you want to?
[11:25] <Sionide> it runs the animation/whatever it is - but it doesn't give any sound..
[11:25] <Madpilot> Sionide: I think the no-sound prob is due to Macromedia...
[11:25] <Sionide> bah
[11:25] <Sionide> the "settings" window is borked as well
[11:25] <Sionide> doesn't have any writing on it
[11:25] <daniellewis> I was hoping to set up a dual boot Windows XP with Ubuntu.
[11:26] <Madpilot> daniellewis: you can. just not entirely on NTFS drives
[11:26] <Sionide> daniellewis, you can do that - just format the ubuntu partition as ext3
[11:26] <daniellewis> Madpilot & Sionide, hmmm ok, I'll have to check that out.
[11:27] <Sionide> if you put the ubuntu cd in and reboot, it'll try and install in the free space
[11:27] <Sionide> and will create its own partition
[11:27] <Madpilot> daniellewis: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[11:27] <daniellewis> thanks
[11:27] <ZincX> whats DNS-howto link ?
[11:28] <Buffy_stufd> selenium - is uname -a what you wanted? - linux version and kernel?
[11:28] <Sionide> !dns
[11:28] <ubotu> Sionide: No idea
[11:28] <Sionide> ?
[11:28] <Sionide> *shrug*
[11:28] <ZincX> :S
[11:28] <Sionide> !macromedia
[11:28] <ubotu> No idea, Sionide
[11:29] <Buffy_stufd> Sionide - configuring your DNS servers?
[11:29] <GudyUbuntu> which repository has the wine package?
[11:29] <zever> !info wine
[11:29] <ubotu> wine: (Windows Emulator (Binary Emulator)), section universe/otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.0.20050310-1.1 (hoary), Packaged size: 1248 kB, Installed size: 2596 kB
[11:29] <Sionide> ZincX was asking, not for me
[11:30] <ZincX> Buffy_stufd, im tryin
[11:31] <Sionide> is mozilla firefox 1.0.4 useable yet?
[11:31] <Sionide> huh
[11:31] <Sionide> i mean, the latest version
[11:31] <zever> Sionide, yes
[11:31] <Sionide> it was broken at one time..
[11:32] <GudyUbuntu> I can only see the packahe wine-doc:'(
[11:32] <ZincX> 1.0.4 ?
[11:32] <ZincX> 1.0.6 is out ?
[11:32] <zever> ZincX, 1.0.6 is in the repos
[11:32] <Buffy_stufd> Zincx - best i could find. - sry. been using a gui "firestarter" pretty easy but it doesn't do it all.    ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5690&page=2
[11:32] <Madpilot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DropShadows  <-- anyone every done this in Hoary?
[11:33] <Madpilot> *ever
[11:33] <ZincX> oh..
[11:33] <zever> GudyUbuntu, have you enabled universe
[11:34] <Sionide> oh yeah oops
[11:34] <Sionide> i was reading the wrong column
[11:34] <Sionide> so
[11:34] <Sionide> 1.0.6 is useable ??
[11:34] <ZincX> i use 1.0.6 .. but no troubles so far
[11:34] <zever> Sionide, i use it, never had problems with it
[11:34] <shad0w1e> how do I edit the K menu for "all users" ?
[11:34] <GudyUbuntu> zever : I guess so ... I just added a repository with the "universe" checkbox checked
[11:34] <Madpilot> !repos
[11:34] <ubotu> [repos]  at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:34] <Sionide> zever, must have been 1.0.5 with the problem
[11:35] <zever> GudyUbuntu, have you done an update (sudo apt-get update)
[11:35] <Madpilot> GudyUbuntu: check the URL that ubotu just provided ^^^
[11:35] <GudyUbuntu> will do that , zever : I'm using synaptic
[11:36] <Madpilot> GudyUbuntu: just hit the "Reload" button in Synaptic, then
[11:37] <GudyUbuntu> ha, they were disabled, the link was usefull :)
[11:37] <stjepan> heya
[11:37] <stjepan> I want to test my memory
[11:37] <stjepan> how to do that?
[11:38] <stjepan> my Ubuntu system often crashes
[11:38] <Buffy_stufd> memtest386 - isn't it?
[11:38] <Madpilot> !info memtest86+
[11:38] <ubotu> memtest86+: (A thorough real-mode memory tester), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.30-1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 57 kB, Installed size: 192 kB
[11:38] <daniellewis> oooh, I like the ShipIt thing. Free is always good
[11:38] <stjepan> my Ubuntu system freezes
[11:38] <stjepan> every 30 mins
[11:38] <stjepan> about 30 mins
[11:38] <stjepan> :(
[11:39] <stjepan> what is the problem?
[11:39] <Madpilot> stjepan: when I had very similar probs, it was my motherboard, not my RAM...
[11:39] <stjepan> I have 352 mB of RAN
[11:39] <stjepan> RAM
[11:39] <Madpilot> daniellewis: order a dozen, and infect your friends & family with Ubuntu
[11:39] <stjepan> Madpilot: so, what should I do?
[11:39] <Madpilot> stjepan: can you test your RAM in someone else's computer first?
[11:39] <daniellewis> Madpilot: will do
[11:39] <ZincX> is there anyway i can have RDNS without contacting my isp /
[11:40] <stjepan> but Windows xp works ok
[11:41] <Madpilot> stjepan: new computer?
[11:41] <stjepan> well
[11:41] <stjepan> no
[11:41] <stjepan> it has 1.7 GHz
[11:41] <stjepan> and
[11:41] <stjepan> it is old
[11:41] <stjepan> few years
[11:41] <ValheruLord> what was the name of the default gnome theme of ubuntu?
[11:41] <stjepan> three, I think
[11:42] <Madpilot> ValheruLord: Human, I think
[11:42] <pax> anyone using kxdocker in ubuntu?
[11:42] <stjepan> ValheruLord: Human
[11:42] <gorilla_> Valandil, Madpilot sound about right :-)
[11:42] <gorilla_> grrr... I hate auto-complete :-(
[11:43] <stjepan> so?
[11:43] <Valandil> *ggg*
[11:43] <hayden> if i mounted a smb share using Places->Connect to Server->SMB, how can i eject/unmount it once im done?
[11:43] <anacron> auto-complete is great
[11:43] <Madpilot> stjepan: not sure what to suggest then. try a new install of Ubuntu, and double-check the CDs your using?
[11:43] <stjepan> hot to check?
[11:43] <stjepan> how do you mean?
[11:43] <Madpilot> tab-complete is great, but it's untrustworthy & you need to keep hitting TAB sometimes!
[11:43] <Madpilot> ;)
[11:44] <Madpilot> stjepan: did you burn your own install CD for Ubuntu?
[11:44] <stjepan> no
[11:44] <stjepan> oh
[11:44] <stjepan> I have to go
[11:44] <stjepan> sry
[11:44] <Madpilot> stjepan: np - later
[11:44] <stjepan> ok
[11:44] <stjepan> see you
[11:44] <Buffy_stufd> TAB! >> TAB! >> TAB! Ah i see it. - :)
[11:44] <GudyUbuntu> still no luck
[11:44] <GudyUbuntu> haaaa
[11:44] <GudyUbuntu> maybe there's no wine for AMD64?
[11:45] <hayden> dw i found how to unmount
[11:45] <Madpilot> I'm off to sleep myself - have fun, everyone
[11:45] <Buffy_stufd> gudyubuntu - there is wine on 64 - it is a bit more complicated. - google "wine chroot"
[11:45] <gorilla_> nn Madpilot
[11:46] <GudyUbuntu> Buffy_stufd: thanks ... I love complicated things
[11:46] <Buffy_stufd> lol - good to have a sense of humor. ;)
[11:47] <GudyUbuntu> (I truely understand now why it was a mistake to install that 64bits ubuntu, I'm pretty sure the 32bits would have worked great, with much less problems ..)
[11:48] <Buffy_stufd> gudyUbuntu - was really hoping it would be easy too. been eyeing a new machine.
[11:48] <ElVirolo> hi all
[11:48] <Bubbling_Zombie> hello
[11:48] <ElVirolo> when i try to add to volume control applet on the panel, it doesn't appear ... could anyone help me ?
[11:48] <Buffy_stufd> (crosses fingers and begins "Breezy Badger" mantra."
[11:49] <GudyUbuntu> ho, just found a quite usefull page
[11:49] <GudyUbuntu> with lots of the issues I've had ...
[11:49] <Buffy_stufd> okay are you going to share it or do i need a bribe?
[11:50] <GudyUbuntu> http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu
[11:50] <GudyUbuntu> I guess you know it already :)
[11:50] <GudyUbuntu> found it with your google search
[11:50] <Buffy_stufd> Thanks :)   (bookmarked)
[11:51] <GudyUbuntu> brb, rebooting
[11:52] <ElVirolo> any ideas guys ?
[11:53] <Buffy_stufd> Elviro - i am pretty new to this. - just wondering does this problem last after killing and restarting gnome-panel? or a reboot?
[11:53] <Buffy_stufd> *shrug*
[11:54] <Buffy_stufd> ubotu are you stoned?
[11:54] <ubotu> Buffy_stufd: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[11:56] <Buffy_stufd> ubotu what do you know?
[11:56] <ubotu> What what?
[11:56] <Bubbling_Zombie> mmm. I'm going through my synaptic and i notice the  description (title) for ubuntu-docs is the same as ubuntu-quickguide. Who should i contact for that?
[11:56] <Buffy_stufd> !list
[11:56] <ubotu> [list]  at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuFactoids
[11:57] <selinium> I have an old Athlon 900 chip in my machine. If i uname -m it returns i686? If this is my hardware name should it not be K7 or something?
[11:58] <jade> hello :)
[11:59] <jade> anyone about who can tell me how to add another ethernet connection in ubuntu?
[11:59] <Buffy_stufd> selinium - kinda quiet huh?
[11:59] <jade> do i need to download kernel sources and compile a new kernel? or should the module exist?
[11:59] <selinium> Buffy_stufd: i think everyone has gone to bed! :D
[12:00] <Buffy_stufd> jade another connection for connection sharing?
[12:00] <Buffy_stufd> "port forwarding"?
[12:01] <jade> Buffy_stufd: yeah u could say that. i just put the new NIC in
[12:01] <jade> its so my tivo can go get tv guides
[12:01] <jade> :)
[12:02] <Buffy_stufd> jade - you want Ubuntu to route traffic through it to another machine on your LAN? right?
[12:02] <jade> Buffy_stufd: yerp
[12:03] <jade> Buffy_stufd: i put the new card in. but system -> administration -> networking isnt showing the new card
[12:03] <Buffy_stufd> NP - there are a bunch of spiffy one line "echo" commands to do it. - alas i am a newb. - heh. - i use "Firestarter" firewall to configure it. a nice GUI.
[12:03] <jade> ahh ok, whats the backend? iptables?
[12:03] <Buffy_stufd> jade - lspci will tell you if the machine sees it.
[12:04] <Buffy_stufd> ls = list pci = pci devices
[12:04] <jade> hmm two ethernet conrtollers there
[12:04] <Buffy_stufd> yes.
[12:06] <jade> apparently the modules is loaded too\
[12:06] <jade> haha
[12:06] <casperl> re ubuntu + palm zire 31 - I have got it working - solution can be found in http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54025 Thanx all!
[12:06] <Buffy_stufd> insmod something.    newb like me gets lost after that. - sry.
[12:06] <omega_> Hello, I'm trying to install DivX for Linux, but I don't really know how to use the files I've downloaded.
[12:06] <jade> tis cool Buffy_stufd
[12:07] <omega_> Like, I've downloaded and untarred the package, and tried running it in the terminal by going to the directory and using ./install.sh
[12:07] <omega_> It tries to install, I guess, but it keeps getting permission errors
[12:07] <omega_> (I'm very new to all of this, so I'm probably doing it wrong.)
[12:08] <Buffy_stufd> sudo?
[12:08] <omega_> When I use sudo, nothing seems to happen. There's no output.
[12:08] <zever> omega_, why not use w32codecs and mplayer to use DivX
[12:09] <omega_> I didn't even know that was possible. I just googled for "divx on linux" and tried the first two links which both led to that package.
[12:09] <Buffy_stufd> vlc "video lan" is also very nice cross platform.
[12:09] <omega_> So if I just wanted to play a DivX movie in Totem, I could also download the w32 codec?
[12:10] <expose> hi
[12:10] <zever> omega_, dunno
[12:10] <expose> is wine included within the CD?
[12:10] <Buffy_stufd> omega - i use totem-xine
[12:10] <Buffy_stufd> xine is another vide player.
[12:10] <omega_> Buffy_stufd: what's the difference between that and the regular Totem? Does it include codecs by default?
[12:11] <zever> omega_, i think you need to have gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg to play divx on totem
[12:11] <selinium> omega_ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?highlight=%28restricted%29
[12:11] <Buffy_stufd> ffmpeg is the decoder i think.
[12:11] <omega_> Thanks, I'll try that.
[12:11] <Buffy_stufd> !codecs
[12:11] <ubotu> it has been said that codecs is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:12] <Buffy_stufd> !dvdcss
[12:12] <ubotu> Buffy_stufd: I haven't a clue
[12:12] <Buffy_stufd> !xine
[12:12] <ubotu> I don't know, Buffy_stufd
[12:12] <Buffy_stufd> !video
[12:12] <ubotu> Buffy_stufd: Are you smoking crack?
[12:12] <selinium> Buffy_stufd: I take it if you !something the bot tries to answer?
[12:13] <Buffy_stufd> yes
[12:13] <osfameron> it's for automated filesharing?
[12:13] <Seveas> Buffy_stufd, please don't play/experiment with the bot
[12:13] <Seveas> if you want to do that, do it in a private chat
[12:13] <Buffy_stufd> Pardon me Seveas. - just checking for a list of dvd players
[12:14] <Seveas> totem is good at it
[12:14] <Seveas> as is mplayer
[12:14] <Seveas> and i'm sure there are lots of others too :)
[12:14] <Buffy_stufd> totem is okay. - it doesn't seem to work without a little downloading though.
[12:15] <selinium> Seveas: when trying to choose an image i keyed uname -m and got the result -686. I am on an athlon and expected to see k7? am i wrong?
[12:16] <selinium> Buffy_stufd: I find both packages work well.
[12:16] <Buffy_stufd> great! :)
[12:16] <selinium> Buffy_stufd: Even on my 900 chip!
[12:16] <Seveas> selinium, uname only tells you which kernel you installed
[12:16] <Seveas> selinium, you probably installed linux-686 already ;)
[12:17] <omega_> This seems pretty difficult, on the RestrictedFormats wiki page.
[12:17] <omega_> Is it really necessary that I do all that universe/multiverse stuff just to install DivX?
[12:17] <Seveas> yup
[12:17] <Seveas> even worse: you need stuff from outside the repositories
[12:17] <hayden> is there a vpn client for gnome ?
[12:17] <hayden> with a gui
[12:18] <selinium> Seveas: cheers, i htought the -m flag printed the machine hardware name. I take it this is renamed after the image is installed.
[12:18] <omega_> Things such as DivX, which are so frequently used by so many people, should just be made repositories which can be grabbed with Synaptic.
[12:18] <Bubbling_Zombie> why not use xvid?
[12:18] <Seveas> omega_, that's impossible
[12:18] <omega_> If the XviD FourCC can decode DivX, then I will.
[12:18] <Seveas> all kinds of patent/legal problems
[12:19] <omega_> Seveas: ah, I see. Too bad.
[12:19] <Buffy_stufd> omega - DVD encryption is "patented" until 2 weeks ago having it on your server could get you an invitation to court.
[12:20] <Buffy_stufd> the judges for the moment seem to understand "Fair use"
[12:20] <hayden> is there a vpn client with a gui that i can install (not from source)
[12:21] <selinium> Buffy_stufd: I think if you buy a DVD or a CD you should be able to use it wherever you like. It is one of the reasons for a switch to linux. I can play/rip all my CD's
[12:22] <Buffy_stufd> selinium - dunno what they were thinking. - we buy cds and dvds not lease the content.
[12:23] <selinium> haydn: try http://govpn.clubnix.net/
[12:23] <selinium> haydn: GoVPN
[12:23] <omega_> I guess I'll just get mplayer.
[12:23] <hayden> ok thanks selinium
[12:23] <Bubbling_Zombie> is there anybody who uses anjuta?
[12:24] <selinium> Buffy_stufd: I started to refuse to buy copy protected CD's. Actually they are not CD's the chap who owns the CD patent disagrees witht the copy protection and will not allow them to be called CD's LOL
[12:25] <Buffy_stufd> selinium - huh? - didn't know that. :)
[12:25] <Raptoid> selamlar.
[12:25] <concept10_> how do i show the list of cron jobs scheduled to take place?
[12:25] <concept10_> right now /usr/bin/updatedb is running
[12:26] <Seveas> cat /etc/crontab /etc/cron*/*
[12:26] <Buffy_stufd> always someone trying a fast buck. read about a court fight where a stranger patented "Linux" apparently linus torvaldis thought everyone was ethical.
[12:27] <concept10_> Seveas, thanks.  BTW what is updatedb for ?
[12:27] <Buffy_stufd> the name linux was for a time owned by someone who had never written a line of kernel code.
[12:28] <Buffy_stufd> updatedb - makes a list of all files on the disk much faster to find things that way.
[12:28] <omega_> This is too confusing. I can't even download mplayer.
[12:29] <selinium> omega_ Go private and i will talk you through it.
[12:29] <PurpleMotion> that sucked
[12:29] <Buffy_stufd> omega. - vlc - if it doesn't work on first try. i'll double your money back. - ;)
[12:29] <PurpleMotion> where'd he go
[12:29] <elvirolo> hi again
[12:30] <antix> can I make a copy of one ubuntu installation to another harddisk somehow?
[12:30] <elvirolo> i installed the ckearlocks-serenity theme, but it just doesn't come on when I choose it in the theme preferences
[12:30] <Buffy_stufd> antix - sure the tar command
[12:31] <hayden> selinium, what other programs do i need to install for govpn to work?
[12:31] <Buffy_stufd> antix dd or partimage is another option.
[12:31] <andii> new to this ... anyone an idea in why I can't find Wordpress in menus after downloading it with Synaptic?
[12:31] <selinium> hayden: I do not run VPN i just pointed you in the direction of a gui vpn.
[12:31] <hayden> oh ok
[12:31] <hayden> i thought you use it
[12:32] <antix> Buffy_stufd, but does that work for all files? do I have to boot on another partition so files are not in use?
[12:32] <Buffy_stufd> antix - you're right much better to copy a disk that isn't in use.
[12:34] <antix> Buffy_stufd, ok maybe I should test partimage sounds like what I need :)
[12:35] <concept10_> andii, you think you may run wordpress that way?
[12:36] <andii> well I did ...
[12:37] <cyphase> what's the resolv.sonf syntax to make a domain such as one.two.com point to a computer in the network?
[12:38] <concept10_> andii, wordpress the blog/content manager?
[12:38] <andii> never seen wordpress in use, assumed that it was a kind of word processor for blogs
[12:38] <cyphase> concept10_, yea
[12:38] <cyphase> andii, it's a whole blogging application
[12:38] <cyphase> not a "word processor" for blogs
[12:38] <concept10_> I know what wordpress it
[12:38] <concept10_> *is
[12:39] <concept10_> it is a content manager/blog manager that runs on lamp
[12:39] <cyphase> yea, i know
[12:39] <cyphase> i use it :)
[12:39] <andii> so if I've got Wordpress on the HDD, how do I use in and access it?
[12:39] <Sputn1k> how to start my lan card when computer starting? Now i must manualy do that
[12:40] <cyphase> andii, it has to be served by a webserver
[12:40] <andii> use it, that is
[12:40] <andii> k
[12:40] <concept10_> andii, check the wordpress site, they good documentation
[12:40] <andii> k
[12:40] <ZincX> anyone know how to set up bind /
[12:40] <concept10_> *they have (damn im tired)
[12:40] <nophix> andii: you must have apache/php/mysql configured and ready, and then you read the wordpress docs
[12:40] <ZincX> bind9
[12:41] <concept10_> andii, its also better to install the version on the site not in synaptic
[12:41] <andii> ahhh
[12:42] <andii> getting the picture now
[12:43] <Buffy_stufd> andii - wordpress or the name of the app in a terminal wil bring it up. - right click on the desktop and create a new launcher when you know the app name. - devs shorten the name sometis
[12:44] <andii> "wordpress" in terminal doesn't call the prog; I'm wondering what might
[12:44] <nophix> Buffy_stufd: wordpress is not an app
[12:45] <concept10_> andii, its not an application that you run, it is run in conjuction with apache server.
[12:45] <Buffy_stufd> now i am confused. - not too hard really. - lol
[12:45] <concept10_> using mysql
[12:45] <andii> that's what I thought was being said
[12:45] <concept10_> andii, read the site, you will understand better
[12:47] <andii> thanks people, there is an essential piece of conceptual furniture about wordpress now in my head that wasn't before!
[12:47] <Buffy_stufd> remember to dust it occassionally. - ;)
[12:48] <andii> I hope to make more sense of the wordpress site now
[12:48] <Random_Sindrom> $ make sense
[12:52] <hayden> what repository do i get w32codecs from/
[12:53] <selinium> hayden: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?highlight=%28restricted%29
[12:54] <PurpleMotion> DURING the ubuntu install, between the partition and install options, WHERE does ubuntu mount the filesystemt hat will become / ??
[12:55] <marcus> Could I get a N00Bie run-down on re-setting my XP partition in grub?
[12:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> resetting?
[12:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> PurpleMotion: i think in /target
[12:59] <joerg__> Hi --  im looking for a "diskless ubuntu" solution..
[01:00] <joerg__> I know breezy is going to provide somthing -- but are any ad-hoc solutions known?
[01:01] <marcus> reesetting,,, as in It's not in my boot=up choices
[01:01] <PurpleMotion> Kamping_Kaiser:  tyvm
[01:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok.
[01:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> marcus: you have to add it to /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> joerg__: i don't know any
[01:02] <marcus> ok,,,
[01:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> but I'm sure there would be some
[01:02] <marcus> TY muchly Kaiser
[01:02] <joerg__> Kamping_Kaiser: google seems not the way to go :(
[01:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> marcus: give me a minute :O
[01:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> fraid so joerg__
[01:02] <Nermal> PurpleMotion, just typing "mount" should tell you
[01:06] <persia> One of the keys on my keyboard only works on the console.  In X, the results do not match the label on the key.  Could anyone suggest how I could troubleshoot this?
[01:06] <piketer> hola
[01:09] <nekohayo> could someone tell me if the "nicer form widgets" firefox trick still works?
[01:09] <anacron> persia: try something like loadkeys <keymap> ?
[01:09] <nekohayo> can't get it to untar properly
[01:09] <Nameeater> I am trying to get Java to work with Opera, when I try multiple different directories for opera to look in it doesn't work, I installed the jdk, and am wondering if that is the problem, anyone made opera and java work?
[01:10] <nekohayo> Nameeater, not me :P but so you may know, took me 8 months to figure out java with firefox.
[01:10] <Pegasos989> o_O
[01:10] <Nameeater> could you tell me how you got that working? :>
[01:11] <nekohayo> ...... lmao by using the hoary backports, by FULLY using *all* their repositories (did a 1:1 copy of their sources.list)
[01:11] <nekohayo> and then I think it's in ubuntuguide, apt-get install j2rethingy
[01:11] <dimitris> Well a windows user just used my pc and he downloaded an exe file which he double clicked and the computer became unresponsive. I found that the file has a spyware program on it. Is there a chance that my linux box got infected? I use wine so are the fake windows files used by wine ok?
[01:11] <nekohayo> but it worked.
[01:11] <Nameeater> ewy :|
[01:11] <nekohayo> I was shocked x_x
[01:11] <Nameeater> dimitris: its very unlikely
[01:12] <nekohayo> dimitris,
[01:12] <nekohayo> there has been a guy TRYING to install as much virii as he could with wine
[01:12] <nekohayo> they didn't work (99% of time) XD
[01:12] <Pegasos989> Btw. Do I need firewalls etc in this or is this secure enough by itself?
[01:12] <Pegasos989> In ubuntu that is
[01:12] <homer242> hi
[01:12] <Pegasos989> 'lo
[01:12] <nophix> what about the other 1%? :)
[01:12] <lordmansfeld> hi all
[01:13] <homer242> what'is the root password by default ???
[01:13] <nekohayo> Pegasos989, I believe there is no firewall by default, so having one is always nice
[01:13] <Pegasos989> k
[01:13] <nekohayo> homer242, there is no root in ubuntu
[01:13] <joerg__> homer242: there's no root pw
[01:13] <PurpleMotion> there is no root account by default
[01:13] <PurpleMotion> !root
[01:13] <nekohayo> haha
[01:13] <ubotu> methinks root is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:13] <dimitris> nekohayo, good to hear :-D
[01:13] <homer242> thanks
[01:13] <joerg__> homer242: use "sudo bash" to get a root shell
[01:13] <Pegasos989> Btw... If I use the livecd and always boot from it...  It is impssible to have adware etc. cuz they all disappear with every boot?
[01:13] <nekohayo> ...hey does someone have a gmail applet that WORKS currently ?
[01:13] <lordmansfeld> you could also use "sudo -s" to have a root shell, i think
[01:14] <nekohayo> I'm like hunting all the way over for one
[01:14] <persia> anacron: There doesn't seem to be a keymap that is appropriate.  The problem started when using System...Preferences...Keyboard Preferences to configure my multimedia keys.  Thanks though - perhaps I'll make a custom keymap...
[01:14] <nekohayo> yes, sudo -s is my fav
[01:14] <nophix> Pegasos989: well, if you don't save any settings somewhere
[01:14] <dimitris> Well i am going to install an antivirus because i use a fat32 partition to make windows communicate with linux just to be sure. I am between clamav and f-prot. Any suggestions? Something easy to use and light on the resources.
[01:14] <anacron> persia: well good luck with that :D
[01:15] <nekohayo> dimitris, the only antivirus now is for deinfecting windows machines, I think
[01:15] <mihaela> windows 95 ..rulz...
[01:15] <anacron> mihaela: are you trying to get bans or what? :D
[01:15] <mihaela> no no..
[01:15] <mihaela> i serios..
[01:15] <mihaela> :)
[01:15] <mihaela> jokeing
[01:15] <omega_> I remember when I went from MS-DOS 1.01 to Windows 95
[01:16] <omega_> I was astonished
[01:16] <cyphase> :)
[01:16] <jtgameover> Seveas lays down the law
[01:16] <Random_Sindrom> he
[01:16] <Seveas> beware :)
[01:16] <nekohayo> I remember when I went from 98 to ME. I was dumbfounded.
[01:16] <dimitris> nekohayo, well since i already have an antivirus in windows then there is no need. Thnx!!!
[01:16] <jtgameover> anyone here use fvwm?
[01:16] <nekohayo> dimitris, for now I guess ^_^;
[01:17] <Random_Sindrom> then wait to see ubuntu 5.10
[01:17] <nekohayo> hmm.. lunchtime
[01:17] <jaegerMeister> hi folks
[01:17] <anacron> jtgameover: is it somekind of tvcard thing?
[01:17] <omega_> It should be said that in the years that I used Windows 98 on my Pentium 60, it barely ever crashed or showed a BSOD.
[01:17] <Random_Sindrom> omega: you are a LUKY guy
[01:17] <jtgameover> anacron, lol no it is a window manager
[01:17] <jtgameover> i just discovered it yesterday
[01:17] <mopatop> hey guys
[01:18] <jtgameover> it is quite possibly the most freakin awesome thing for linux ever
[01:18] <anacron> jtgameover: right... i might have tryed that
[01:18] <omega_> I did get the occasional BSOD, but it was tracable to bogus programs most of the time.
[01:18] <omega_> I barely ever got a hang.
[01:18] <jtgameover> seriously though, if you want to WOW your friends, you gotta go with fvwm
[01:18] <anacron> why?
[01:18] <mopatop> I was wondering - is it possible to use the "fixed" 6x13 font (like Eterm) in GTK2 apps, such as gnome-terminal?
[01:18] <lordmansfeld> is it that good? :)
[01:19] <jtgameover> i mean, i was using openbox/fluxbox before, and that was pretty WOWish
[01:19] <jtgameover> but fvwm sets the gold bar
[01:19] <omega_> That's still mainly also because a Pentium 60 is sort of the speed that Windows 9x was designed for.
[01:19] <jtgameover> the configuration options are tremendous and incredible
[01:19] <omega_> It crashed five times daily when I had it on my Pentium 3 500MHz.
[01:19] <jtgameover> no need for gdesklets, you can essentially write your own stuff
[01:19] <jaegerMeister> i have the following problem : i installed ubuntu on a friends old notebook which unfotunately has no network interface. now i want to install xfce because it needs less ressources than gnome, and the way i want to do this is downloading the xfce .deb's, burn them to cd-rw and install them manually with dpkg -i. now my problem is : where can i find out which xfce-packages i need and where can i download them?
[01:20] <Pegasos989> "To install Wine from the WineHQ APT repository, you need to configure APT to look in the right place for the Wine packages. On Ubuntu systems, and those using the Synaptic Package Manager, this can be done easily by opening up Synaptic and selecting Settings->Repositories." So... Wtf is apt and wtf is this synaptic-thingie
[01:20] <Nameeater> apt-get -d would work
[01:20] <mopatop> I was wondering - is it possible to use the "fixed" 6x13 font (like Eterm) in GTK2 apps, such as gnome-terminal?
[01:21] <Nameeater> that should just dl the packages for you
[01:21] <Pegasos989> I don't understand more than like 2 words from that sentence :S
[01:21] <digitalfox|sleep> Pegasos989, System->Administration->Synaptic Package Manager
[01:21] <Pegasos989> k, thx
[01:21] <persia> Does anyone know where gnome-control-center keeps the keymaps?  It appears my keyboard is not included, and I'd lke to install a custom map.
[01:23] <mopatop> or does anyone know how I can find out what fontconfig thinks my "Fixed" font is?
[01:23] <Buffy_stufd>  persia /etc/X11/"XORG"? - not too sure - i am new to linux also.
[01:23] <yuacht> hey... i'm trying to use cdemu but i get: [Errno 6]  No such device or address: '/dev/cdemu/0' (command: cdemu 0 foo.cue
[01:24] <jaegerMeister> dimitris: thank you very much, i try that :)
[01:25] <digitalfox|sleep> Ubuntu needs a walkthrough on first startup
[01:25] <digitalfox|sleep> Because I shouldn't have to explain to someone what Synaptic is :(
[01:25] <reisio> well
[01:25] <reisio> most Windows users don't know what a package manager is
[01:26] <reisio> so you'd have to explain that anyways
[01:26] <andrew_> don't you get some pointers on the firefox default start page?
[01:26] <Buffy_stufd> If it isn't so obvious it doesn't need to be explained it's wrong. - the user is always right. - sly grin
[01:27] <Lhea> anyone here have some clue about bootup processes
[01:27] <Buffy_stufd> okay that was trollish.
[01:27] <Lhea> I have a command that I have to type in as root every time I start up ubuntu, and that's not very good for my clueless family :p
[01:28] <joerg__> Lhea: what's your problem?
[01:28] <aCiD2> Hey
[01:28] <Buffy_stufd> Lhea - it can't be added to startup manager?
[01:28] <aCiD2> I just installed Windows, after installing Ubuntu - so its nicely whiped my MBR. How can I reinstall grub?
[01:28] <joerg__> Lhea: There is a directory calles /ect/init.d/
[01:28] <icewt> there's no "debian menu" equivalent in ubuntu? many programs don't appear in the applications menu
[01:28] <Lhea> startup manager doesn't let me specify root commands does it?
[01:28] <aCiD2> icewt - can always add em your self: apt-get install smeg
[01:29] <Buffy_stufd> ect! i hate to type commands.
[01:29] <joerg__> there are start/stop scripts for programs/services which shall be run on boot.
[01:29] <Lhea> I'd need to somehow fit a sudo and all that shit in there
[01:29] <nekohayo> icewt, I've seen the debian menu on my system once
[01:29] <nekohayo> didn't know why
[01:29] <reisio> aCiD2: mind if I /msg ?
[01:29] <persia> aCiD2: sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub
[01:29] <icewt> aCiD2, of course. but in debian most of such programs appear in the debian menu
[01:29] <Magicdead> hum has anyone here running an apache2 server with ssl support?
[01:29] <Lhea> it's a command to have my xDSL dial in, and that pptp config thingie does *not* cope with it, it is an individual program
[01:29] <Lhea> hail to my ISP
[01:29] <aCiD2> reisio: sure
[01:29] <reisio> ah bollix
[01:29] <aCiD2> persia - ermm.. I can't get into linux..
[01:29] <nekohayo> maybe because I installed stuff from marillat
[01:29] <reisio> afk
[01:30] <icewt> nekohayo, hm
[01:30] <aCiD2> heheh, msg when your back then
[01:30] <Lhea> and I need to do that with root, I tried with giving all the inet files all the rights with chmod, but the script in one of the files gets into an infinite loop
[01:30] <Lhea> so I need to find another way
[01:30] <andrew_> aCiD2 : can't you boot from a liveCD to repair?
[01:30] <joerg__> Lhea: have a loop at /etc/init.d/ntpdate
[01:30] <Magicdead> can't get ssl support for apache2 working although: Apache/2.0.53 (Ubuntu) mod_perl/1.99_14 Perl/v5.8.4 mod_python/3.1.3 Python/2.4.1 PHP/4.3.10-10ubuntu4 mod_ssl/2.0.53 OpenSSL/0.9.7e configured -- resuming normal operations
[01:30] <Buffy_stufd> Lhea - dunno gotta be an easier way huh? - a lot of experimentation and bash script.
[01:30] <nekohayo> sorry I can't help much more
[01:30] <aCiD2> andrew_: I have a gentoo live cd, would that work?
[01:30] <persia> aCiD2: Boot off alternative media (livecd, rescue disk, install CD, usb, etc..
[01:31] <joerg__> Lhea: copy it do /etc/init.d/SHATEVERYOUCALLIT
[01:31] <Lhea> I just can't do shellscripting :S
[01:31] <aCiD2> persia: and that will still work?
[01:31] <Lhea> otherwise I would have written a little program
[01:31] <Lhea> I don't assume you can write a C program for it can you :p
[01:31] <icewt> aCiD2, which reposity should include smeg?
[01:31] <aCiD2> icewt: not sure - I think I got from a .deb actually
[01:31] <aCiD2> icewt: http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/
[01:31] <Buffy_stufd> lol@Lhea not a chance if it isn't a gui it isn't hapenning here.
[01:31] <SquareGuy> hey, i just installed the unoffical win32codec package for debian stable (sarge) and it installed correctly to /usr/lib/win32 but of course totem was unaware of them.  i copied the codes over to ~/.gnome2/totem-addons and chmodded them but totem still complains it doesnt have a codec for wmv.  any ideas?  yes the windows media 9 codec is in ~/.gnome2/totem-addons
[01:31] <Lhea> joerg__ why ntpdate?
[01:32] <nekohayo> SquareGuy, you might want to use totem-xine instead
[01:32] <nekohayo> for now.
[01:32] <joerg__> Lhea: ntpdate is a small/easy shell-script -- you can adopt it to your needss..
[01:32] <icewt> aCiD2, ok, thanks
[01:32] <aCiD2> np
[01:32] <SquareGuy> nekohayo, k ill try it.  thx
[01:32] <persia> aCID2: once you boot, get root, noutn your ubuntu / partition, and `chroot <ubunturoot> /bin/bash`.  Once here, run `mount -a`, and then you should be able to run dpkg-reconfigure.
[01:32] <nekohayo> tell me if it solves it :P
[01:32] <aCiD2> persia - alrighty, Ill give that a shot :)
[01:32] <Lhea> oh no :( is there a scriptless way? something that doesn't require me to read 10 books before I can do it? :S
[01:33] <Lhea> maybe that startup manager can do it
[01:33] <Lhea> but I thought it cannot do root things
[01:33] <Lhea> I really dunno :S
[01:33] <joerg__> Lhea: you looked at ntpdate?
[01:33] <Whistler> can i resize  my ubuntu partition?
[01:33] <Whistler> i wanna add more space
[01:34] <Buffy_stufd> <<- has the ten books. (they make a great chair booster and ammo for shooing cats. - lol)
[01:34] <aCiD2> persia - How can I get root though, I don't know my root password
[01:34] <reisio> Buffy_stufd: ten books on what?
[01:34] <ploum> Hi
[01:34] <aCiD2> woudl sudo'ing work?
[01:34] <ploum> where is this possible to talk about the installer development ?
[01:35] <Pegasos989> How can I watch my completely legally downloaded *sifty eyes* movies in Ubuntu, if I downloaded them in windows to ntfs hard drives.
[01:35] <Buffy_stufd> linux - mostly the black and yellow ones. ya know "X for dummies."?
[01:35] <SquareGuy> nekohayo, works like a champ thanks again
[01:35] <persia> aCiD2: You're booting off a gentoo livecd, right?  I'm not familiar with gentoo, but their website is supposed to have decent documentation: it ought to tell you how to get root on the livecd.
[01:35] <nekohayo> hey btw ... anyone have an idea _when_ gstreamer will provide some.. decent codecs to totem gstreamer?
[01:35] <nekohayo> Whistler, sure is possible
[01:35] <nekohayo> now.. as to why... I am not really knowledgeable about this :P
[01:35] <nekohayo> how*
[01:35] <ploum> Pegasos989: you can mount, but read-only, your NTFS partition
[01:35] <nekohayo> aCiD2, there'S no root password
[01:35] <nekohayo> use sudo with your password
[01:35] <Pegasos989> k
[01:35] <nekohayo> sudo -s can give you a root terminal
[01:36] <aCiD2> ah, ok
[01:36] <ploum> Pegasos989: I don't remember, but it's in the documentation
[01:36] <Buffy_stufd> !rootsudo
[01:36] <ubotu> I guess rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:36] <Whistler> cause i wanna add more space to ubuntu partition and i dont know how
[01:36] <nekohayo> heheh
[01:36] <Whistler> any ideas?
[01:36] <Whistler> can i use gparted?
[01:36] <j2dope> hi. when my wireless connection goes down, i cannot get it back up without rebooting. any ideas?
[01:36] <aCiD2> time to try this then...
[01:36] <Pegasos989> So if i want to edit them, I need to... *gulp*  Format the whole thing and make it some other than ntfs? :S
[01:36] <Lhea> joerg__, I assume init.d contains all the processes that are run at bootup?
[01:36] <j2dope> i've tried /etc/init.d/networking restart            but no luck
[01:36] <SquareGuy> ahhh now im finally watching the e3 video for serious sam 2
[01:36] <aCiD2> dpkg-reconfigure grub, right?
[01:37] <Buffy_stufd> Whistler - qtparted is very similar to partition agic.
[01:37] <j2dope> anyone? it sucks having to reboot every 30mins
[01:37] <Buffy_stufd> erm magic
[01:37] <jade> j2dope: ifconfig wlan0 down
[01:37] <persia> aCiD2: that's my memory.  If that doesn't work, you might try loading aptitude, and choosing to reinstall grub ('L' key).
[01:37] <jade> j2dope: then
[01:37] <jade> ifconfig wlan0 up
[01:37] <jade> try that
[01:37] <j2dope> jade, my connection is eth1
[01:38] <joerg__> Lhea: party correct -- you need a link in /etc/rc2.d/Sxy to your script in init.d
[01:38] <j2dope> and i've tried that yes. no luck at all
[01:38] <jade> doh :\
[01:38] <Buffy_stufd> SquareGuy is there a loki installer for SS2?
[01:38] <joerg__> Lhea: but /etc/init.d/ hosts all scripts --
[01:38] <SquareGuy> j2dope, i would try ifconfig wlan0 down / ifconfig wlan0 up / dhclient wlan0
[01:38] <Nameeater> wohoo I got java & opera working :D
[01:38] <j2dope> it's a very sucky problem. i have no idea what causes it. the wireless router runs fine under windows
[01:38] <Lhea> yeh, was about to ask how the folder would know the order in which to proceed at bootup :p
[01:38] <jade> anyone know how i can get a second ethernet card to come up?
[01:38] <reisio> Nameeater: wow, shame they both suck :/ :p
[01:38] <SquareGuy> Buffy_stufd, from what i understand ss2 will have linux binaries
[01:39] <joerg__> Lhea: Lines 5-13 in ntpdate check if ntpdate exists ... you can delete them..
[01:39] <Lhea> joerg: are you trying to say I should modify this ntpdate file and save it with the same name?
[01:39] <j2dope> dhclient eh... ill see what that says
[01:39] <joerg__> Lhea: NOP
[01:39] <Nameeater> reisio: I could say, so does your face, but im too happy! :)
[01:39] <joerg__> Lhea: copy it to a diffrent name!
[01:39] <Lhea> but then I'd have to update Sxy too if I make a different file!
[01:39] <Buffy_stufd> Hey! now thats the way to do it!
[01:39] <reisio> Nameeater: heheh
[01:39] <j2dope> SquareGuy, what does dhclient do exactly? i see i have to run it as root
[01:40] <reisio> j2dope: dhcp, maybe?
[01:40] <SquareGuy> j2dope, thats what grabs a dhcp address from your network
[01:40] <jade> reisio: trying to get second ethernet card to show up as eth1 on the ubuntu setup (gf's computer)
[01:40] <jade> i can do all the configuration requierd in gentoo
[01:40] <joerg__> hno73:: correct .. firet create a new script in /etc/init.d -- and then make a link to it by "ln -s /etc/init.d/YourScrip /etc/rc2.d/S20YourScript"
[01:40] <jade> but put me in front of ubuntu and im lost
[01:40] <j2dope> ahh K. lol well ill try it now. if it works, i wont be back... otherwise expect me back in 2mins after a rebboot :) peace
[01:40] <jade> :P
[01:40] <reisio> jade: so do it in Gentoo, goof :P
[01:41] <triplah_> reisio: i wish i had the time to stay at my gf's and configure gentoo for her
[01:41] <mopatop> hey, does anyone know how I can change my window manager to Enlightenment?
[01:41] <triplah_> but i dont :P
[01:41] <SquareGuy> Buffy_stufd, its a 30 minute video from e3 on ss2 goto www.croteam.com and poke around
[01:41] <reisio> triplah_: well I can think of some things to do while it's compiling...
[01:41] <Buffy_stufd> mopatop - !xwindows ubotu has a link
[01:41] <reisio> triplah_: I'm sure someone here must know how to do it with Ubuntu, anyways
[01:42] <triplah_> reisio: rofl
[01:42] <triplah_> hmm
[01:42] <triplah_> u'd think so :\
[01:42] <mopatop> Buffy_stufd, sorry I don't understand
[01:42] <reisio> :/
[01:42] <Buffy_stufd> mopatop - synaptic might already have it tho. - a quick search and one click to install.
[01:42] <triplah_> unfortunatly. ubuntu aint quite the enthusiasts ditro
[01:42] <Buffy_stufd> !xwindows
[01:42] <triplah_> :P
[01:42] <ubotu> hmm... xwindows is Linux freedom Style, User power, or RAM stingy speed Ubuntu linux is what you want it to be. http://xwinman.org/
[01:42] <ZincX> anyone know how to config bind ?
[01:42] <mopatop> ah right
[01:42] <mopatop> Buffy_stufd, cheers
[01:42] <reisio> ubotu: duh..wha?
[01:42] <ubotu> reisio: I don't know, could you explain it?
[01:43] <Buffy_stufd> ;)
[01:43] <reisio> ubotu: explain what X is?
[01:43] <persia> ZincX: Did you decide you didn't like pDNS?  I can help some with bind - how far have you gotten?
[01:43] <sadma1> hi everyone
[01:43] <Lhea> :( joerg__ , thanks for the advice. at least now I know I can't do it unless i'm some unix guru
[01:43] <reisio> sadma1: lo
[01:43] <sadma1> I have a question
[01:43] <sadma1> I've installed snort
[01:43] <sadma1> where can I download free rules ?
[01:43] <ZincX> persia, yes.. lol.. lets see.. i just installed it.
[01:44] <sadma1> from Snort.org , u must paid for all rules :(
[01:44] <persia> ZincX: OK.  And what do you want it to do?
[01:44] <ZincX> persia, i want my ip to be resolved to sasquach.sadasdad.com
[01:44] <sadma1> anyone can help me
[01:44] <sadma1> ?
[01:44] <sadma1> :|
[01:44] <persia> ZincX: globally, or locally?
[01:44] <reisio> pay for rules? :/
[01:45] <Buffy_stufd> !dyndns
[01:45] <ubotu> it has been said that dyndns is http://ubuntuguide.org/#assignhostnametodynamicip
[01:45] <sadma1> yes reisio
[01:45] <sadma1> u can visit snort.org
[01:45] <ZincX> persia, globally
[01:45] <sadma1> if u want to download any rule
[01:45] <sadma1> you must pay for it
[01:45] <sadma1> :(
[01:45] <Buffy_stufd> ZincX - ubotu has the link for you.
[01:45] <persia> ZincX: OK.  Have you already arranged for static IP and domain ownership?
[01:45] <sadma1> snort is free but snort'rule is commercial
[01:45] <sadma1> :(
[01:45] <ZincX> persia, my ip is static.. and domain is mine
[01:46] <selinium> hi all, my xorg config appears to have thrown a wobbly. How do i get it back?
[01:46] <njan> ZincX, how do you handle DNS for your domain?
[01:47] <Buffy_stufd> ZincX - you need a dns server to list your domain a bunch of lowcost services. selfhost.com is what i used for quite awhile.
[01:47] <njan> (bind on your server, paid service, zonedit.com, etc)
[01:47] <persia> ZincX: And you are currently installing bind on 202.71.103.106?
[01:47] <ZincX> persia, no.
[01:47] <Raptoid> beyler gokhan kirdar in son albumunun ismi neydi ?
[01:47] <ZincX> /dns sasquach.sadasdad.com
[01:47] <ZincX> a subdomain
[01:48] <persia> ZincX: Oops!  How about .107 or .108?
[01:48] <ZincX> njan, i have a controller
[01:48] <ZincX> persia, O_o ?
[01:49] <Buffy_stufd> ZincX - be careful. dns servers are a hacker magnet. - much better to pay someone else for the headache.
[01:49] <ZincX> Buffy_stufd, .. is it ?
[01:49] <blahblah> good morning people
[01:49] <ZincX> Buffy_stufd, im not actually tryin to run a dns server :S
[01:50] <ZincX> just for this very pc
[01:50] <Buffy_stufd> i would never run bind. - if you make a mistake your ISP may be angry enough to ban you.
[01:50] <persia> ZincX: It looks like global registration of the domain belongs to 202.71.103.107 and .108, and that they have assigned sasquach to 202.21.184.194.  107 and 108 need to run bind (or another name server), and the configuration needs to be done there.
[01:50] <persia> Buffy_stufd: It's different if you are the ISP...
[01:51] <ZincX> hmm.. there aen ?
[01:51] <ZincX> sheesh..
[01:52] <ZincX> this is hopeless...
[01:53] <persia> ZincX: What exactly are you trying to accomplish: there may be an easier way...
[01:53] <Buffy_stufd> you have your domain name. - halfway there. :) - 15 - $30 a year and somone else will add your name to their list. - did you try the company that sold you the domain name?
[01:53] <ZincX> persia, im tryin to have a vhost wen i connect to irc
[01:53] <McScruff> im running vmware (winxp) in kubuntu and i want to use a usb device on it, but ubuntu has it, how can i stop it in ubuntu so i can use it in vmware
[01:53] <ZincX> i dont use bouncers.. sooo
[01:53] <persia> ZincX: OK.  How do you connect to the internet?
[01:54] <kaffeend> can anyone help me with installing the KDE desktop env please?
[01:54] <blahblah> kaffeend: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[01:54] <Buffy_stufd> kaffeend - Hi, How much have you done so far?
[01:55] <kaffeend> I had to d/load it coz I don't have a cd drive right now
[01:55] <Buffy_stufd> kaffeend - "Server install" or the default Ubuntu install? (gnome)
[01:55] <ZincX> persia, its always on
[01:55] <kaffeend> blahblah thanks :P
[01:56] <Random_Sindrom> kaffeend: what's wrong with gnome?
[01:56] <kaffeend> buffy_stufd ??
[01:56] <blahblah> gnome has less errors than KDE
[01:56] <blahblah> thats what i had on my computer
[01:56] <kaffeend> screen refresh is way too low and as a n00b I was advised to get it
[01:56] <kaffeend> coz I don't know any command line stuff
[01:56] <persia> ZincX: Yes, but I'm assuming you don't have a DS3 plugged into the back of your laptop.  Your computer is presumably attached to either a USB device or an ethernet cable.  If an ehternet cable, does that feed directly to your ISP, or is there another box along the way?  If a USB device, to what is that attached?
[01:56] <selinium> Hi all, i am using irrsi as i have no x due to xorg being mangled. What is the command to do the xorg config?
[01:56] <Buffy_stufd> apt-get ubuntu-desktop works fine! :) - when asked to choose display managers gdm or kdm (KDE) choose kde
[01:57] <ZincX> persia, ethernet
[01:57] <persia> ZincX: OK, and the ethernet goes where?
[01:57] <ZincX> persia, directly to the isp.. no other boxes.. just the ethernet modem
[01:57] <Buffy_stufd> kaffeend - no sweat.  - synaptic has "ubuntu-desktop" - it is a 100+ mb d/l tho.
[01:57] <persia> ZincX: OK.  Did you buy the domain from your ISP, or somewhere else?
[01:58] <kaffeend> Buffy_stuftd I know
[01:58] <ZincX> persia, sumwhere else
[01:58] <blahblah> he wants kde, so its, kubuntu-desktop
[01:58] <kaffeend> oh - no I don't
[01:58] <Buffy_stufd> selinium - sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[01:58] <persia> ZincX: Buffy_stufd has it right then... use dyndns
[01:58] <persia> !dyndns
[01:58] <ubotu> I guess dyndns is http://ubuntuguide.org/#assignhostnametodynamicip
[01:58] <selinium> Buffy_stufd: I think thats the one thanks!
[01:58] <Buffy_stufd> blah-blah you are right. - sorry. - time for a nap.
[01:59] <ZincX> persia, and then ?
[02:00] <kaffeend> I have these folders but I'm used to windows where you just click on the icon that says "setup" and voila! installshield wizard takes you through the lovely install garden
[02:00] <persia> ZincX: I'm not familiar enough with irc & vhosts.  My apologies.
[02:00] <ZincX> eheh.. no need ::)
[02:00] <Buffy_stufd> kaffeend - synaptic is like that. -peice of cake.
[02:00] <j2dope> the 'dhclient' command did not work :(
[02:00] <rob_newbie> I am installing glib but when I get to the point where I am suppost to type "make" the file make dose not exist
[02:00] <jade> hmmm anyone know how to get my second network adaptor working?
[02:00] <kaffeend> hehe thanks Buffy_stufd
[02:01] <jino> hi all
[02:01] <persia> jade: what kind of adaptor?
[02:01] <rob_newbie> hello
[02:01] <jade> persia: its a dlink, i've got all the modules loaded
[02:01] <j2dope> can anyone reccomend a wireless network finding tool for ubuntu? something like the one windows has?
[02:01] <jino> how can i make my laptop to restart
[02:01] <jade> persia: i need to get connectivity on it tho
[02:01] <j2dope> jino, 'sudo reboot'
[02:01] <jino> yup
[02:02] <jino> the thng is ..it doesnt automically reboot
[02:02] <persia> jade: If it shows up in `ifconfig -a`, you should be able to edit /etc/network.interfaces.  `man interfaces` for instructions.
[02:02] <jino> i have to switch of the laptop
[02:02] <Buffy_stufd> (thud $%^) ....Z-zzzz z.. G'nite all! :) - "Windows Users" "Linux Community"
[02:03] <jade> persia: u mean /etc/network/interfaces ?
[02:03] <McScruff> im running vmware (winxp) in kubuntu and i want to use a usb device on it, but ubuntu has it, how can i stop it in ubuntu so i can use it in vmware
[02:03] <jino> j2dope, it works
[02:03] <persia> jade: Sorry - missed the shift there.  Yes.
[02:03] <j2dope> jino, what does?
[02:03] <jino> but doesnt actually restart
[02:03] <jade> persia: actually, it apears to be working :) now i need a crossover cable :\
[02:03] <jino> i have to manually switch off the laptop
[02:03] <persia> jade: Hard to provide that over IRC, Sorry.
[02:04] <j2dope> have  u tried 'sudo shutdown' from a terminal?
[02:04] <jade> persia: indeed :D also hard to get at 11pm too
[02:04] <jino> nope
[02:04] <j2dope> im no pro, but possibly gnome is hanging? in which case i press CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE
[02:04] <ach> Does anyone know which wireless pci networkadapter that works best in Ubuntu?
[02:04] <jino> ok
[02:04] <j2dope> i then login as my user, and then type 'sudo shutdown/reboot'
[02:04] <persia> jade: Map is 1-3, 2-6, 3-1, 4-4, 5-5, 6-2, 7-7, 8-8
[02:04] <jino> j2dope, i have another problem
[02:05] <rob_newbie> Do I need to type make or use another file the programs install instructions state make but no make file was created after configure
[02:05] <jino> all the dvd plugins are not installed
[02:05] <j2dope> jino, im sure im not the one to give the best answers but shoot
[02:05] <jino> and mplaye hangs
[02:05] <j2dope> ubuntuguide.org
[02:05] <jino> xmmx as well
[02:05] <ZincX> persia, ill have to make a dynamic dns even if my ip is static rite ?
[02:05] <jino> ok
[02:05] <jade> ehe
[02:05] <j2dope> search for the dvd section there, it'll hook u up with all the repositories u need to dl dvd playing stuff
[02:06] <j2dope> jino, whenever i reinstall ubuntu, i go straight to ubuntuguide.org to get it all set up, nice and quick
[02:06] <persia> ZincX: The other option is to ask your domain manager to change their record to the correct value.  If you do this, nothing needs to be installed on your machine.
[02:06] <jino> okie
[02:06] <ZincX> correct value means ?
[02:09] <j2dope> umm anyone? a wireless network finding app?
[02:10] <osfameron> that would be a nice feature to be packaged really
[02:10] <njan> j2dope, wifi-radar.py
[02:11] <njan> http://www.bitbuilder.com/wifi_radar/
[02:11] <persia> ZincX: From what I can tell from here, it's already set correctly. to 202.21.184.194, but your local network configuration may be different than I can see from here.
[02:11] <j2dope> thanks njan ill check it out
[02:11] <ZincX> hmm.. i c
[02:11] <njan> j2dope, yq
[02:11] <persia> ZincX: Perhaps you're looking for mapping in the other direction: from the number to the name?
[02:11] <njan> s/yq/yw/
[02:12] <ach> Can anyone reccomend any special bran of wireless network adapters for ubuntu?
[02:13] <ZincX>    persia i guess
[02:15] <persia> ZincX: Send an email to hostmaster@db.com, and ask them to change the record for 184.194.21.202.in-addr.arpa to point to your domain.
[02:15] <purpledropbear> /leave #ubuntu
[02:15] <ZincX> that will work ?
[02:16] <persia> ZincX: As far as I can see from here.  Your ISP probably has better information about your network environment: I'm almost 2 seconds away from you.
[02:16] <ZincX> eheheh...
[02:17] <ZincX> so ill just have to hope that mailing hostmastar@db.com will work right ?
[02:17] <persia> ZincX: That's the email address officially responsible for the change, but there may be some administrative procedure at your ISP.  I don't know.
[02:18] <ZincX> yeah.. im not sure it will work.. but well see
[02:19] <cool> how do i switch to another profile in FF? HELP
[02:19] <cool> how do i switch to another profile in FF?
[02:19] <cool> how do i switch to another profile in FF?
[02:20] <persia> ZincX: If that doesn't work, you could try Markus Weber: he might be able to help.
[02:20] <ZincX> whos he ?
[02:20] <Seveas> cool: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.
[02:21] <cool> :( no one to help:(
[02:21] <dwa_> you're not very patient :)
[02:21] <persia> ZincX: Unless I'm not seeing correctly, he should be in your company addressbook, and should be the person administratively responsible for that sort of thing.  I'm not going to put more in an open forum.
[02:21] <dwa_> cool : try typing this in your console
[02:21] <dwa_> man firefox
[02:22] <cool> No manual entry for firefox
[02:22] <azol> cool: firefox --help
[02:22] <dwa_> there you can see that if you start firefox with -ProfileManager
[02:22] <dwa_> you can choose your profile
[02:22] <cool> bash: firefox: command not found
[02:22] <dwa_> strange, i have a man page for firefox :)
[02:22] <ZincX> k
[02:23] <cool> using kubuntu
[02:23] <dwa_> cool mozilla-firefox?
[02:23] <cool> yup
[02:23] <dwa_> is it working?
[02:25] <cool> someone gave me this http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_manager
[02:25] <Will_> mozilla-firefox ?
[02:26] <jowi> hi all
[02:26] <dwa_> that's what i was saying cool
[02:26] <dwa_> -ProfileManager
[02:26] <cool> dwa: thanks
[02:27] <dwa_> you see, you can get an answer here ;)
[02:29] <Carlo768> hello, i am trying to install the newest kernel modules for video4linux, but when i try to 'make', it complains about missing header files and exits with errors. Ive installed linux-headers-2.6.10-5 and linux-tree, but it still complaints. what am i doing wrong?
[02:29] <Seveas> Ubuntu comes with v4l modules...
[02:29] <Carlo768> i know
[02:29] <Carlo768> but my card is only supported on the newest ones
[02:30] <Seveas> then you probably should create the /usr/include/linux symlink to point to your headers...
[02:30] <kaffeend> can someone help me with opening synaptic package manager please?
[02:30] <majic> what is the problem kaffeend ?
[02:31] <direwolf> system > administration > synaptic
[02:31] <kaffeend> majic I simply need to open Synaptic
[02:31] <kaffeend> but I don't know hot to do it
[02:31] <direwolf> kaffeend ^up there
[02:32] <majic> kaffeend: type synaptic in a terminal and hit enter
[02:32] <ernstp> anyone got "sessreg" installed in breezy?
[02:32] <Carlo768> Seveas, how can i do that?
[02:32] <kaffeend> thanks majic and direwolf
[02:32] <direwolf> np
[02:32] <Raptoid> http://hakan.cimenderi.com --> zappuri zuppiri pictures
[02:33] <Seveas> Raptoid, don't spam....
[02:33] <Raptoid> Seveas, ok sorry man
[02:33] <jino> j2dope, u there?
[02:34] <Carlo768> /usr/include/linx already exists, and its filled with header files
[02:34] <Seveas> then what is it complaining about?
[02:34] <kaffeend> majic it says I need to run it as root user
[02:34] <Will_> There are some hideous women on that link
[02:34] <Seveas> kaffeend, sudo synaptic
[02:34] <kaffeend> k
[02:35] <majic> kaffeend: or su to root
[02:35] <Carlo768> /home/ubuntu/Desktop/video4linux/media/video-buf-dvb.h:5:20: dvbdev.h: No such file or directory
[02:35] <kaffeend> Lovely, Seveas thanks (again :P )
[02:35] <Carlo768> and several headers more are missing too
[02:36] <Seveas> kaffeend, that's an error in the thing you downloaded...
[02:36] <kaffeend> seveas sorry?
[02:37] <Seveas> kaffeend, ehrm
[02:37] <Seveas> name mixup :)
[02:37] <Seveas> Carlo768, that's an error in the thing you downloaded...
[02:37] <kaffeend> kk
[02:37] <Carlo768> hm
[02:37] <Carlo768> ok ill dowload it again
[02:38] <Seveas> won't help
[02:38] <Carlo768> ?
[02:38] <Seveas> better read the install instructions more carfully :)
[02:39] <omega_> I just downloaded Snes9x, a SNES emulator; if I wanted to keep my computer uncluttered a little, where would be a good place to put it? (Kind of like a Linux version of Windows' "Program Files" directory.)
[02:39] <direwolf> this laptop needs memory bad
[02:39] <Seveas> omega_, you should install snes9x from the repositories....
[02:40] <omega_> I didn't even realize it was there.
[02:40] <direwolf> even xfce on 64mb of ram is rough
[02:40] <Seveas> omega_, apt-cache search snes9x
[02:40] <Seveas> :)
[02:40] <HrdwrBoB> ram is $60 for 512mb
[02:40] <persia> omega_: When you have a spare hour or two, run aptitude and browse...
[02:40] <HrdwrBoB> I see no reason to run a desktop machine with 64mb
[02:40] <Seveas> HrdwrBoB, laptop
[02:40] <Carlo768> omega_ i think you should try zsnes first
[02:40] <direwolf> old laptop
[02:40] <Seveas> and laptop mem is more expensive
[02:40] <HrdwrBoB> Seveas: well it's a bit more :) but ebay is your friend
[02:41] <HrdwrBoB> seriously, buy more memory
[02:41] <direwolf> max memory is 192mb hahaha
[02:41] <omega_> Carlo768: I'll get that one, too.
[02:41] <omega_> I've used both, but I prefer Snes9x's interface.
[02:41] <omega_> Too bad it has some sound emulation errors.
[02:42] <dvsoftware> hello
[02:42] <Carlo768> i couldnt make snes9x work on ubuntu, so i always use zsnes
[02:42] <direwolf> with 192mb i could deal though
[02:42] <dvsoftware> i have a little problem with ubuntu 64 on my laptop which i bought today
[02:43] <Carlo768> does ubuntu kernel come with CONFIG_I2C=m and CONFIG_VIDEO_DEV=m? how can i check that?
[02:43] <omega_> Erm... where did Synaptic put Snes9x and Zsnes? :)
[02:43] <Carlo768> omega_ you have to enable more repositories
[02:43] <Seveas> Carlo768, check /boot/config-*
[02:43] <dvsoftware> when i enable nvidia-glx driver, i just get blank screen
[02:43] <omega_> I enabled everything; Snes9x common files, the frontend, and the X and OpenGL files.
[02:43] <Carlo768> oh
[02:43] <Seveas> Carlo768, and yes, both parts are built as modules
[02:44] <omega_> Where is it supposed to put the executables?
[02:44] <Carlo768> ok thanks
[02:44] <Seveas> omega_, /usr/bin normally
[02:44] <Carlo768> omega_, open a terminal and type zsnes
[02:44] <omega_> Okay, thanks.
[02:44] <Carlo768> or snes9x
[02:45] <kaffeend> um, I was advised to use synaptic to swith to KDE but I can't seem to figure out how to do it :s Can anyone help me with this please?
[02:45] <dvsoftware> kaffeend, just select all repositories, and under KDE section there will be "kde" package, just select it
[02:45] <omega_> That's strange. I found Zsnes, but not Snes9x.
[02:45] <Carlo768> Seveas ive read the instructions on building the video4linux modules and the only requisite is a kernel with that options =m, then 'make' and 'make install'
[02:46] <Seveas> Carlo768, where did you get the source from?
[02:46] <kaffeend> dvsoftware ok thanks - I'll give it a shot
[02:46] <Seveas> kaffeend, wait
[02:47] <Carlo768> http://linux.bytesex.org/v4l2/ i think is the official video4linux page
[02:47] <omega_> How do I run a search for a file?
[02:47] <Seveas> if you want to switch to kde, you'd better install the kubuntu-desktop package
[02:47] <Seveas> omega_, slocate
[02:47] <Carlo768> omega_ snes9x has different versions
[02:47] <direwolf> places > search for files...
[02:47] <kaffeend> waiting seveas
[02:47] <Seveas> omega_, but that uses a db updated once per day
[02:47] <kaffeend> good thing I'm slow :)
[02:47] <omega_> That's a terminal command, right? There's no way to do it in X?
[02:47] <Carlo768> omega_, open a terminal, write snes9x and push tab ac ouple of times
[02:47] <Seveas> kaffeend, if you want to switch to kde, you'd better install the kubuntu-desktop package
[02:47] <Seveas> not the KDE package :)
[02:48] <kaffeend> ok
[02:48] <direwolf> omega_: places > search for files...
[02:48] <omega_> Thanks.
[02:48] <omega_> Ah, that's what I was looking for.
[02:48] <kaffeend> seveas I didn't realize they were different
[02:50] <jowi> has anyone seen a BeOS "tracker"/panel/taskbar port for Linux?
[02:50] <GudyUbuntu> what is the command to install a .deb package?
[02:50] <kaffeend> getting sore eyes from my 60hz refresh rate here :(
[02:51] <Seveas> GudyUbuntu, sudo dpkg -i
[02:51] <kaffeend> can't find the kubuntu package
[02:51] <Seveas> kaffeend, are you still using warty?
[02:52] <kaffeend> warty?
[02:52] <Carlo768> seveas, i had to make ln -s linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386 linux-headers-2.6.10-5, because 'make' complaint about not founding /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5, maybe that was a bad move?
[02:52] <IFRFLYR> Hi, I've got fonts in ~/.fonts which aren't getting picked up by OOo - some are, some not. Any special place OOo looks for fonts?
[02:53] <IFRFLYR> I should say that other apps pick up all the fonts in ~/.fonts
[02:53] <GudyUbuntu> Seveas: thanks
[02:53] <jowi> IFRFLYR, as far as I know only .ttf works... i think
[02:53] <IFRFLYR> jowi, right.
[02:54] <jowi> IFRFLYR, and it is also abit slow of picking them up. sometimes they will not appear until the next reboot (at least for me)
[02:54] <direwolf> 128mb pc100 so-dimm $35 at compusa ...nice
[02:54] <direwolf> looks like im gonna have to get it
[02:54] <jowi> IFRFLYR, might be because i installed them 2-3 at the time to test them out. i probably messed up somewhere :-)
[02:55] <IFRFLYR> aha. they're .pfb. Gimp sees them. I wonder if there is a way to convert pfb to ttf?
[02:55] <jowi> IFRFLYR, that is a great question
[02:55] <IFRFLYR> jowi, yeah, I had actually rebooted. But now I see the problem is the wrong font type - gimp is just really cool I guess.
[02:55] <simon_> "modconf: command not found" Which command should I then use?
[02:55] <direwolf> ive been running on 64mb ...i think i could handle 192mb ....well hopefully
[02:56] <kaffeend> Seveas what is this warty of which you speak?
[02:56] <djp> warty was the release of ubuntu before hoary
[02:56] <IFRFLYR> jowi thanks for the help!
[02:56] <ghoztly> I edited the gnome menu with smeg (gnome menu editor) and added a custom menu entry. I added a link that <inadvertently> contained a ' (apostrophe) character. Of course now smeg crashes. What is location of the default location for whatever files the gnome menu is stored in?
[02:57] <kaffeend> okay thanks djp
[02:57] <__fabrice__> hi
[02:57] <jowi> IFRFLYR, no probs
[02:57] <Carlo768> kaffeend, do System-> about Ubuntu
[02:57] <kaffeend> is there a name for the 64 bit version?
[02:57] <kaffeend> Carlo768 ok
[02:58] <Will_> I'm considering dual booting my main desktop, as I'm worried I will be unable to afford dual desktops when I'm paying my own electricity
[02:58] <ed1t> desktops dont consume that much electricity
[02:58] <direwolf> computers dont use as much electric as they used
[02:58] <ed1t> prolly like say $10 per month
[02:58] <direwolf> turn off your frig
[02:59] <direwolf> ;)
[02:59] <selinium> AArrghhh, i seem to have 'lost' xserver.xorg :( help
[02:59] <ed1t> selinium using breezy?
[02:59] <simon_> Are there a command there works like "modconf"? "modconf: command not found"
[02:59] <direwolf> lost as in its not loading?
[02:59] <persia> selinium: Where did you see it last?
[02:59] <selinium> persia: lol
[02:59] <direwolf> hahaha
[02:59] <persia> selinium: Perhaps I should say, before what was it working?
[02:59] <kaffeend> Carlo768 why am I reading this? This I read before I installed Ubuntu...
[02:59] <direwolf> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:00] <selinium> no i am using hoary, i was updating the nvidia driver and i have done something strange!
[03:00] <direwolf> ruh roh
[03:00] <direwolf> disregard
[03:00] <__fabrice__> hi everybody i'm running ubuntu 2.6.10-5-686-smp kernel and i can't activate DMA on cdrom.I googled but nothing unless recompiling kernel ... does somebody may help me thanks
[03:00] <Carlo768> kaffeend, there you can find what version are you using (warty or hoary?
[03:00] <direwolf> ubuntuaddon enabled my dma for me
[03:00] <jowi> __fabrice__, hdparm -d1 /dev/cdrom
[03:00] <Carlo768> mine showns 'Welcome to Ubuntu Linux 5.04 : The Hoary Hedgehog Release.'
[03:01] <persia> __fabrice__: If you have an IDE CDROM, hdparm should work.
[03:01] <selinium> direwolf when i key the command it replies as not installed!
[03:01] <__fabrice__> no i tried it ... it's refused
[03:01] <__fabrice__> what about ubuntuaddon direwolf ?
[03:02] <direwolf> fabrice it uses same as above afaik
[03:02] <kaffeend> Carlos768 I'm blind because I see no mention of them here
[03:02] <simon_> I want to install/remove kernel modules, but I cant use the command "modconf" as I normally use. Which command should I use now? Iam running Kubuntu.
[03:02] <persia> selinium: Does the output of `aptitude search xserver-xorg` have a satisfactory number of lines beginning "i A"?
[03:02] <persia> __fabrice__: Do you have a SCSI or USB CDROM?
[03:03] <persia> simon_: modprobe / rmmod
[03:03] <kaffeend> anyway is warty amd64?
[03:03] <Carlo768> hmmm no
[03:03] <kaffeend> hoarty then
[03:03] <Carlo768> warty warthog was the first release, and hoary hedgeog the second
[03:03] <persia> kaffeend: warty was also amd64.
[03:03] <Carlo768> both have 64bit versions
[03:03] <kaffeend> aaarrrgggghhhh
[03:03] <selinium> persia: it begins the line with i
[03:04] <jino> where cn i get libavcodeccvs
[03:04] <jowi> __fabrice__, did you try to umount the cdrom; change /etc/hdparm.conf and add "/dev/cdrom { dma = on }"
[03:04] <kaffeend> time for coffee
[03:04] <simon_> persia: It says FATAL: Module / not found.
[03:04] <persia> selinium: And dpkg-reconfigure reports the package as not installed?
[03:04] <jowi> __fabrice__, that will add dma at boottime
[03:04] <simon_> persia: I cant all modules in my head, so I need the normal "modconf" where there are categories with tons of modules..
[03:04] <Carlo768> can someone help me with the kernel source please?
[03:04] <__fabrice__> yes jowi here is my error HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[03:04] <selinium> persia: yep!
[03:04] <crimsun> Carlo768: did you install linux-source-2.6.10?
[03:04] <dvsoftware> doea anyone knows the solution to my problem with nvidia drivers
[03:05] <crimsun> __fabrice__: SATA HD?
[03:05] <__fabrice__> thx direwolf i'll see ubuntuaddon
[03:05] <Carlo768> crimsun i installed linux-tree and linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[03:05] <__fabrice__> yes crimsun
[03:05] <persia> simon_: Do you have hotplug installed?  If so, it should take care of 90% of your requirements.
[03:05] <selinium> persia: i like to be awkward!
[03:05] <Carlo768> should i install linux-source too?
[03:05] <Carlo768> i am trying to build video4linux modules
[03:05] <crimsun> __fabrice__: you can't set DMA for SATA HDs, it's already enabled by default. hdparm won't help.
[03:05] <simon_> persia: Yes, it is installed. I have a Trust Spacecam 380 webcam and a old Philips webcam..I wanted to see about I could get it to work, but I think I need video4linux
[03:06] <dockane>  i need to buy a usb2.0 pci card ... do i have the freedom of choice (cheapest one) or do i have to take care for a supported chipset ?
[03:06] <crimsun> __fabrice__: check with the -I parameter.
[03:06] <__fabrice__> yes crimsun DMA for SATA is good but no DMA on ide cdrom
[03:06] <crimsun> Carlo768: no, all you need are build-essential and linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[03:06] <dvsoftware> anyone?
[03:06] <persia> simon_: Unfortunately, I'm not sure which driver you need.  My apologies.
[03:06] <crimsun> __fabrice__: different device chain?
[03:06] <Carlo768> crimsun, i got those two packages, but video4linux still complaints about missing headers
[03:06] <__fabrice__> no crimson
[03:07] <crashd> hey guys :)
[03:07] <crashd> just trying ubuntu for the first time, pretty impressed so far
[03:07] <crashd> you guys have done a good job of making debian usable ;)
[03:07] <Sionide> good
[03:07] <selinium> persia: ANy ideas? Or is it reinstall time?
[03:07] <crimsun> Carlo768: did you tell the v4l configuration explicitly where the kernel headers are? e.g., /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build
[03:07] <crashd> the only problem im having is my wifi card
[03:07] <__fabrice__> my chipset is ICH5 and all works well except DMA on cdrom
[03:07] <Carlo768> crimson, how can i do that?
[03:08] <persia> selinium: Give me a little longer to think about this one: it sounds like the packaging scripts are confused, or I'm missing something (probably the latter).
[03:08] <crimsun> Carlo768: you need to read the instructions for the v4l compilation/installation.
[03:08] <selinium> persia: np, glad for the help!
[03:08] <crashd> ubuntu picks the card up when it get splugged into the pcmcia slot
[03:08] <simon_> persia: Okay, but thanks anyway.
[03:08] <crashd> i tjust refuses to connect/scan/acknowledge networks :\
[03:09] <kaffeend> okay - let's forget about kubuntu for now... Can anyone help me with making my system compatible with windows games please? I think I need winex, is this right?
[03:09] <GreenDot> hello gang...i coulnd't find anything in the documentation about my problem i'm having.  i'm failing to install Ubuntu on my iBook G4 because the boot loader gives me an error when installing
[03:10] <icewt> kaffeend, you mean cedega
[03:10] <Fitzsimmons> kaffeend: giv eup
[03:10] <majic> kaffeend: I believe there are a few options for installing windows games like for instance using cedega
[03:10] <majic> but it's not a 100% solution, not all games run as far as I know
[03:10] <Carlo768> crimsun, ive read it and this is all the info about building : Pick up videodev + v4l2 patches from http://bytesex.org/patches/.
[03:10] <Carlo768> Configure, build, install + boot the new kernel.  You'll need at least
[03:10] <Carlo768> these config options:
[03:10] <Carlo768> 	CONFIG_I2C=m
[03:10] <Carlo768> 	CONFIG_VIDEO_DEV=m
[03:10] <Carlo768> Type "make" to build the driver now.  "make install" installs the
[03:10] <Carlo768> driver.  "modprobe saa7134" should load it.  Depending on the card you
[03:10] <Carlo768> might have to pass card=<nr> as insmod option, check CARDLIST for
[03:10] <Carlo768> valid choices.
[03:10] <persia> selinium: What do you get from `dpkg --status xserver-xorg | grep Status`
[03:10] <crimsun> Carlo768: please don't flood here, thanks.
[03:11] <GreenDot> kaffeend:  use windows for gaming, and thats it
[03:11] <Carlo768> sorry
[03:11] <dvsoftware> how to use card reader integrated on laptop?
[03:11] <kaffeend> so, cedega or give up are my only options then? lol
[03:11] <crimsun> Carlo768: then you need to read the Makefile to see where v4l looks for the kernel headers.
[03:11] <GreenDot> i only play games in linux if it was built for linux, it's the only way we know it will run without any problems, and cedega has very few completly compatible titles it can play
[03:11] <majic> kaffeend: there are a few solutions to playing windows games but they are not 100% effective. Not all games run.
[03:12] <Carlo768> crimsun, where are the kernel headers located?
[03:12] <selinium> persia: is not installed :(
[03:12] <dex> anybody knows what package i need in order to connect to microsoft exchange 5.5
[03:12] <Carlo768> /usr/include or /lib/modules?
[03:12] <kaffeend> majic I specifically want to run FarCry 64 bit if I can
[03:12] <Carlo768> im a bit confused
[03:12] <direwolf> heh
[03:12] <crimsun> Carlo768: use the latter. -> /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build
[03:13] <kaffeend> but at least cedega would be a start
[03:13] <GreenDot> seriously now, I'm having installation difficulty with the PPC Ubuntu
[03:13] <persia> selinium: OK.  I trust dpkg more than aptitude.  Try `sudo aptitude install xserver-xorg`.
[03:13] <dex> anybody knows what package i need in order to connect to microsoft exchange 5.5
[03:13] <majic> kaffeend: I'm not a windows gamer, I don't have information on what runs and what doesn't. I'm a firm believer in console gaming
[03:13] <GreenDot> it's telling me it failed to install the bootloader
[03:13] <dex> anybody knows what package i need in order to connect to microsoft exchange 5.5
[03:13] <kaffeend> majic yah, but I mod :(
[03:14] <dvsoftware> anyone knows how to install nvidia drivers on geforce4 go (64bit machine)
[03:14] <Pegasos989> "For MP3 support in Rhythmbox and other gstreamer applications, type the following into a terminal (requires multiverse):" How do i find this terminal-thingie and do I need to worry if I have that multiverse thing?
[03:14] <persia> selinium: You may even do better with x-window-system-core.
[03:14] <Pegasos989> Is terminal from system tools
[03:14] <dex> anybody knows what package i need in order to connect to microsoft exchange 5.5
[03:14] <crimsun> Pegasos989: yes.
[03:14] <jadedstar> Pegasos989: Yes
[03:14] <Pegasos989> k
[03:14] <Carlo768> crimsun, i found this comment on Make.config:# doesn't build on kernels older than 2.6.12
[03:14] <aru> dex: did you try google.com?
[03:15] <crimsun> Carlo768: there ya go.
[03:15] <Carlo768> hmm
[03:15] <jadedstar> Does anyone know any good rpg games that might be floating out there?
[03:15] <persia> dex: for evolution, try evolution-exchange.
[03:15] <Carlo768> it is possible to upgrade the new kernel and use it withouth rebooting?
[03:16] <ph8> can anyone answer a nub question for me? What's the difference between 686 and 386?
[03:16] <ph8> (kernels)
[03:16] <dvsoftware> Carlo768, no
[03:16] <ph8> When i boot i have the option of going into 686 or 386, both seem to work the same way
[03:16] <windex> dex, i think evolution is the only client to support all of exchange's feature set. but i could be wrong.
[03:16] <dex> i think evolution only support exchange 2000 and 2003 not 5.5
[03:16] <dvsoftware> ph8, different architecture
[03:16] <persia> Carlo768: You'd need to configure a virtual machine of some sort...
[03:16] <majic> ph8 686 are optimized for pentiums while 386 are generic
[03:17] <majic> or pentium class CPU's
[03:17] <kaffeend> does Ubuntu have a html editor per se?
[03:17] <ph8> so if i have a pentium M in my laptop (which i do), 686 is the best bet?
[03:17] <Carlo768> my HD broke and is under repair, so i am using the livecd thats why i cant reboot
[03:17] <majic> kaffeend: try Amaya
[03:17] <lordmansfeld> vim? :)
[03:17] <ph8> kaffeend: Kate is nice
[03:17] <ph8> best one i've found
[03:17] <kaffeend> k thanks
[03:17] <selinium> persia: Shoot me now......
[03:17] <dex> yes i try evolution but our exchange server is version 5.5
[03:17] <Carlo768> is there a livecd with 2.6.12 kernel avaiable?
[03:18] <Kyral> wtf is the difference in Kernel versions anyway
[03:18] <selinium> persia: i was keying xserver.xorg not xserver-xorg. Sorry for wasting your time
[03:18] <majic> Kyral: bug fixes, more drivers, enhancements
[03:18] <persia> dex: configure the POP or IMAP transport on the exchange server.  You'll get limited functionality, but it's better than nothing.
[03:18] <Kyral> Yah but......bah
[03:19] <persia> selinium: No worries.  Is it working?
[03:19] <Juhaz> ph8, yes, pm is i686
[03:19] <Kyral> my Kernel works for me (2.6.10) and I doubt I'll upgrade until the 2.8 series :P
[03:19] <simplydazed> Hi, how can i fix the display problem with Hoary and an i845 board? It's stuck @ 640x480. Thanks
[03:19] <dex> what do yo mean? @ persia
[03:20] <selinium> persia: I will need to reboot to find out if the config has worked but the reconfigure is working yes.
[03:20] <aru> !tell simplydazed about resolution
[03:20] <selinium> Unless there is a way of doing without rebooting?
[03:20] <Carlo768> is there a livecd with 2.6.12 kernel avaiable? or any way to boot the livecd with it? (maybe with a floppy?)
[03:20] <persia> Kyral: For details, try kernel.org.  More generally, newer versions in the same series (2.8, 2.10, 2.12) are usually faster and smaller, support more devlices, and have fewer security holes.
[03:20] <majic> upgrading kernels and new versions of software is a disease, there is no cure. Once you upgrade there will soon be another, it's a never ending cycle and it's proven to do nothing but waste time
[03:20] <dvsoftware> can someone please answer my question
[03:20] <dvsoftware> when i install nvidia-glx
[03:21] <lordmansfeld> someone mentioned Amaya; I'm having some trouble installing it
[03:21] <dvsoftware> and enable it
[03:21] <majic> I've been afflicted by it for about 10 years
[03:21] <dvsoftware> i just get blank screen
[03:21] <persia> dex: If evolution doesn't support Exchange 5.5 directly, the Exchange admin can probably turn on some Exchange features to allow any ubuntu mailreader to work.
[03:21] <dvsoftware> when i disable glx
[03:21] <kaffeend> is Kate for KDE or Ubuntu?
[03:21] <dvsoftware> resolution is kinda messed up
[03:21] <aru> lordmansfeld: how are you trying to install it?
[03:21] <dvsoftware> kaffeend, kate is for kde
[03:21] <kaffeend> ok
[03:22] <kaffeend> will look for amaya
[03:22] <persia> selinium: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart
[03:22] <dex> i think they will need to upgrade to 2003:)
[03:22] <kaffeend> unless that's kde too?
[03:22] <gus_> hi all   Good jo on kubuntu. It got me off gentoo ;)
[03:22] <gus_> job that is.
[03:23] <aru> this is #ubuntu :)
[03:23] <lordmansfeld> aru: I tried to compile from source, I get errors with GTK+ (IIRC), doesn't work with wxWidgets either, and the .deb needs libc6 (*.21 something version number, i can only get .20)
[03:23] <Carlo768> is there a livecd with 2.6.12 kernel avaiable? or any way to boot the livecd with it? (maybe with a floppy?) can someone help me please?
[03:23] <gus_> the cool tech under the hood is still ubuntu, whos speed is impressive - and got me off gentoo
[03:23] <aru> lordmansfeld: hmm, I would have went to System > Administration > Synaptic and searched for amaya, double clicked it and pressed apply
[03:23] <dvsoftware> please, i can't use 3d apps unless i install nvidia drivers
[03:24] <persia> Carlo768: You don't want to run ubuntu 2.6.12 with hoary - I tried that and spent a week cleaning up after myself.
[03:24] <pinky2000> What's everyone's favorite terminal program? I find gnome terminal a little bloated and xterm just doesn't have the features.
[03:24] <kaffeend> gus_ how is kubuntu?
[03:24] <dvsoftware> pinky2000, i use konsole on kde, and its my favorite
[03:24] <lordmansfeld> aru: hmm... *rubs eyes* how come I didn't see that earlier? -.-
[03:24] <gus_> faster than gtk based crud ;)   sorry guys
[03:24] <simplydazed> aru, thank you, let me give it a shot
[03:24] <aru> if you find a terminal to be bloated, then you need to get a life :)
[03:24] <gus_> kaffeend:  its really usable and fast.. some bugs tho.
[03:24] <Carlo768> persia: i need 2.6.12 or my video capture card wont work
[03:24] <gus_> but fixable
[03:24] <aru> simplydazed: hope it works out, come back if it doesn't
[03:25] <kaffeend> gus_ bad bugs or manageable bugs? :)
[03:25] <aru> lordmansfeld: the GUI is your friend :)
[03:25] <persia> Carlo768: I understand: my joystick doesn't work.  Wait until next month, and maybe breezy will be safe...
[03:25] <gus_> manageble. some sudo and su inconsistencies for shich I just gave the root account a password.
[03:25] <Carlo768> sigh*
[03:26] <kaffeend> gus_ can you get more than 60hz refresh rate? lol
[03:26] <Carlo768> well, thanks everybody for the help
[03:26] <gus_> kaffeend:  the kde control panel needs su to work by default   so the whole sudo system was hacked <in>
[03:26] <Pegasos989> How much space ubuntu takes from hard drive when installed? And do i need to make boot partition, if I also want to keeps windows installed?
[03:26] <lordmansfeld> aru: thanks, it works fine now ;)
[03:26] <kaffeend> doh
[03:27] <aru> lordmansfeld: you can try searching Synpatic for any software you want, and once you enable Universe respositories you get a ton of software
[03:27] <lordmansfeld> aru: thanks, I've been using Synaptic for a while, just forgot to check it first for Amaya :)
[03:27] <aru> :)
[03:27] <dvsoftware> :(
[03:27] <gus_> kaffeend: im on LCD  - so the refresh is fine.   LCD's have refresh rates you can tweak right?
[03:28] <crashd> when i plug my pcmcia wifi card in it coems up as eth1 (admtek adm8211)
[03:28] <aru> I haven't compiled one thing from source since I installed ubuntu, very exciting
[03:28] <crashd> now, it "works" in that i can query it
[03:28] <crashd> but it doesnt seem to want to do much else
[03:28] <crashd> any ideas O.o
[03:28] <persia> Pegasos989: I have a lot of stuff installed, and it uses about 5GB.  You only need a boot partition if you want to be safe, or if you have some strange boot system, like flash boot or something.
[03:29] <direwolf> i had to compile driver module for wireless card but it doesnt do wep so im stuck with ndiswrapper
[03:29] <Kyral> or if you trash your system on a regular basis like I do :P
[03:29] <kaffeend> gus_ dunno enough about LCDs. But if my eyes weren't so sore I'd just stick with gnome, but kubuntu seems to be my only option I'm afraid
[03:29] <dvsoftware> i just don't understand why my nvidia geforce go won't work after installing nvidia drivers
[03:29] <crashd> direwolf: what card you usig?
[03:29] <aru> !nvidia
[03:29] <ubotu> somebody said nvidia was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:29] <occy> can I have sudo invoke a command as a user without prompting for a password?  I only want it for this one command.
[03:29] <aru> dvsoftware: did you follow that like?
[03:29] <aru> err
[03:29] <aru> link?
[03:29] <dvsoftware> aru
[03:30] <persia> occy: man sudoers
[03:30] <dvsoftware> apt-get install nvidia-glx
[03:30] <occy> persia, ahhh ok.  I was in sudo
[03:30] <dvsoftware> and... enable thing... dunno the name right now
[03:30] <occy> (man sudo rather)
[03:30] <Pegasos989> Hmm. Propably one of the mainreasons for me to change to linux from the "good" ol' windows is safty, so I might make the boot partition then... I guess I do have that 5 gigs free on my anime hd... Well... May the partitioning begin (on the side of windows...)!
[03:30] <aru> dvsoftware: ok, but following that link might help a lot
[03:30] <dvsoftware> ok, will try
[03:31] <dvsoftware> it's 64 bit system if it matters
[03:31] <direwolf> have a good day everyone
[03:31] <aru> just means you had to pay more for a regular computer :)
[03:32] <Gerrath> There is a set of guidelines when providing support on this channel, I found the link once but I can't seem to find it now on the Ubuntu website, can someone give it to me?
[03:32] <crashd> can anyone give us a hand with wifi setup pls ;)
[03:32] <ph8> so how do i remove 386 from my machine?
[03:32] <dvsoftware> crashd, what iwconfig says?
[03:33] <crashd> iwconfig lists eth1 as the wireless adapter, ieee 802.11b
[03:33] <crashd> but
[03:33] <crashd> it isnt associated with any networks yet
[03:33] <dvsoftware> set up essid for wifi card
[03:33] <simplydazed> aru: much better, thank you
[03:33] <Gerrath> I remember one of the rules was not to reference Ubuntuguide since it does not provide any details and history.
[03:33] <aru> simplydazed: not a problem
[03:33] <dvsoftware> iwconfig eth1 essid something
[03:33] <aru> !ubuntuguide
[03:33] <andpoi> Hello.
[03:33] <ubotu> ubuntuguide is probably a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[03:33] <crashd> dvsoftware: the essid of the access point (along with the keys im guessing)
[03:33] <dvsoftware> yes
[03:33] <aru> Gerrath: follow that link
[03:34] <crashd> see
[03:34] <simplydazed> aru: comming from RHEL & Fedora...
[03:34] <Gerrath> Thanks.
[03:34] <kaffeend> BTW peeps, could anyone please tell me why it takes forever for firefox to open a web page?
[03:34] <andpoi> I just installed ubuntu yesterday
[03:34] <aru> the Network Guidelines
[03:34] <andpoi> I'm in love.
[03:34] <crashd> i tried that, and it throws a "SET failed on device eth1; Operation not permitted"
[03:34] <aru> simplydazed: I came from windows xp :)
[03:34] <majic> kaffeend: you have a slow internet connection?
[03:34] <crashd> which strikes me as a bit odd
[03:34] <kaffeend> andpoi same here :D welcome!
[03:34] <kaffeend> majic it was fast with windows
[03:34] <aru> persia: you can follow that link also
[03:34] <dvsoftware> crashd, dunno
[03:35] <dvsoftware> i don't have that problems
[03:35] <ph8> so how do i remove the 386 kernel from my machine?
[03:35] <crashd> hehe
[03:35] <Kyral> hmm
[03:35] <crashd> i think i can set an essid via the network dialogue
[03:35] <Kyral> this is odd
[03:35] <simplydazed> aru: heh, orrite. In RH there is chkconfig to set daemon status according to runtimes, in Ubuntu there is?
[03:35] <Gerrath> aru, that was it.
[03:35] <majic> kaffeend: you have a slow computer?
[03:35] <aru> Gerrath: excellent
[03:35] <persia> aru: Thans.  Not quite what I was hunting, but helpful nonetheless.
[03:35] <majic> I don't seem to have that problem here
[03:35] <aru> simplydazed: that I do not know
[03:35] <occy> persia, :/  Man... do you know off hand.  That seems fairly complicated.
[03:35] <Kyral> GAIM cannot play sounds..wehn VLC is playing something...wait a second..*goes to check his VLC settings*
[03:35] <aru> persia: almost excellent :)
[03:36] <occy> persia, I simply want to be able to bind a key for   rmmod psmouse
[03:36] <simplydazed> aru: ok, thanks again
[03:36] <aru> no
[03:36] <dvsoftware> aru, i already did that from that guide
[03:36] <crashd> but if i put an essid and a keypair in for it, the dialogue just hangs
[03:36] <aru> simplydazed: no problem
[03:36] <occy> and need sudo not to need a password for it.
[03:36] <dvsoftware> and i get just blank screen
[03:36] <kaffeend> not with a gig of ram, and an AMD64 cpu I don't majic
[03:36] <aru> kaffeend: maybe your stopwatch is broken?
[03:36] <majic> yeah
[03:36] <occy> gonna bind a key to enable/disable touch pad  (typing makes it go wacky all the time)
[03:36] <kaffeend> aru That must be it! :P
[03:36] <aru> last time I was timing all my apps, I realised my stopwatch batteries were going dead
[03:37] <dvsoftware> occy, i have that key builtin
[03:37] <majic> kaffeend: I run Ubuntu on a 566 mhz celeron with 256 ram. It's a fucking screamer I tell you!
[03:37] <occy> dvsoftware, yeah?
[03:37] <occy> hmmm
[03:37] <aru> then I looked at my reflection in the monitor and punched it for being so dumb that I would time my applications
[03:37] <kaffeend> hmmm
[03:37] <dvsoftware> brb
[03:37] <dvsoftware> lunch
[03:37] <Kyral> Uhh
[03:37] <majic> application speed is in the eye of the beholder
[03:37] <aru> yup
[03:37] <Kyral> Anyone know how to get VLC to use ALSA?
[03:37] <crashd> and when it finally closes iwconfig wontshow the ap mac
[03:37] <crashd> hmm
[03:38] <persia> occy: You need to add a line to the file, identifying the user who can give the command, and which command.  An example line is "pete		HPPA = /usr/bin/passwd [A-z] *, !/usr/bin/passwd root", meaning pete can change anyone's password except root's.
[03:38] <kaffeend> I think I know - I'm going to reveal my true n00bness here - I have Fat32 partitions :s
[03:38] <HrdwrBoB> fat32 partition is good
[03:38] <Kyral> kaffeend, I have FAT32 partitions
[03:38] <HrdwrBoB> means you can easily write to it in linux
[03:38] <kaffeend> really?
[03:38] <Kyral> Easy to set permissions :D
[03:38] <aru> Easy to fsck
[03:39] <occy> persia, hmm ok.
[03:39] <kaffeend> cool :D
[03:39] <Kyral> one line in Fstab sets permissions for everyone
[03:39] <aru> doh!
[03:39] <lordmansfeld> btw, is there any difference between reiserfs and ext3?
[03:40] <drcode> hi all
[03:40] <kaffeend> drcode hi
[03:40] <drcode> modem with sound can be supported?
[03:40] <kaffeend> ??
[03:40] <drcode> I Want to save greating file
[03:40] <drcode> from my hand phone
[03:41] <occy> Warning: undeclared Host_Alias `HPPA' referenced near line 23
[03:41] <occy> Warning: undeclared Host_Alias `HPPA' referenced near line 24
[03:41] <occy> hmm
[03:41] <persia> occy: Oops: forgive my cut & paste - in the sample line, replace HPPA with ALL.
[03:41] <occy> october  HPPA = /sbin/rmmod
[03:41] <occy> october  HPPA = /sbin/insmod
[03:41] <occy> persia, hehehe
[03:41] <occy> np
[03:42] <occy> hmm
[03:42] <uber_newber> to install windows 98, is all i need to do is download this?  >        http://seraphimhacks.sytes.net/98se.htm     and then burn to a cd?
[03:43] <kaffeend> with windows (yesterday) I would type google into the address bar and bang - there it is! But now I can roll a cigarette in the time it takes to come up... :(
[03:43] <jowi> uber_newber, wow, that looks legal ;-)
[03:43] <mastertet> Hello
[03:43] <mastertet> I just installed hoary
[03:44] <uber_newber> jowi: lol a friend posted it for me
[03:44] <uber_newber> :-)
[03:44] <persia> occy: for a single user, it's better to put all the commands on one llne (/sbin/rmmod, /sbin/insmod), I think.
[03:44] <Kyral> Can anyone reccomend a good Icon theme to go along with an Aqua styled GNOME Theme
[03:44] <mastertet> I also installed gstreamer...mad from universe, but several of the stream I was using under debian don't work and freez rhythmbox and bmp?
[03:44] <occy> persia, ahhh okies
[03:45] <kaffeend> Kyral where to get a Aqua theme for gnome?
[03:45] <Nermal> uber_newber, 404 on the download
[03:45] <Nermal> kaffeend, that's sooo 2000
[03:45] <jowi> Kyral, art.gnome.org
[03:45] <kaffeend> Nermal wha?
[03:45] <Kyral> kaffeend, the Glossy P theme from art.gnome.org is good
[03:46] <Kyral> jowi, I've looked :P
[03:46] <occy> persia, it lets me do it, but it's asking for a pass.
[03:46] <jowi> Kyral, sorry, meant for kaffeend
[03:46] <kaffeend> Kyral thanks ;)
[03:46] <jowi> lol
[03:46] <uber_newber> Nermal: whats that mean?
[03:46] <occy> course, I'm in sudoers already for ALL
[03:46] <occy> heh
[03:46] <kaffeend> thanks jowi
[03:46] <Nermal> uber_newber, download doesn't exist
[03:47] <Kyral> Can't find a nice one...
[03:47] <uber_newber> nermal: oh
[03:47] <Kyral> trying to find one like the Mac OS X theme :P
[03:47] <Nermal> buy a mac :)
[03:47] <Nermal> then we won't have to support you either :)
[03:47] <jowi> haha
[03:48] <supernix>  hmmm am I in trouble
[03:48] <Nermal> woo .. mozilla corporation launched.. netscape all over again :)
[03:48] <jowi> i think that the agua theme comes close (don't use metacity anymore so i'm not up-to-date)
[03:48] <supernix> The top of my screen is doing something funny
[03:48] <supernix> I see the sides at the very top starting to get a little bit wavy
[03:49] <persia> occy: Perhaps I don't understand sudo as well as I thought.  The only reference I can find is adding a user to the sudo group, but that doesn't help for only one command...   My apologies.
[03:49] <supernix> hmm doesnt seem to be doing it now
[03:49] <jowi> supernix, maybe monitor that is getting old? or refreshrate for the monitor..
[03:49] <supernix> but there for a short period after the screen came back on it did get wavy just a hair
[03:50] <jowi> supernix, if you have a CRT screen you could try to degaus it
[03:50] <occy> persia, No worries Mate.  You tried to help and I do thank you.
[03:51] <supernix> ty jowi
[03:51] <supernix> What does degausing do ?
[03:51] <Sonderblade> /proc/cpuinfo only shows one cpu when i have a P4 with Hyperthreading why?
[03:51] <persia> occy: Take a look at /usr/share/doc/sudo/examples/sudoers.  There's a line in there with NOPASSWD - if you can decode the syntax, you can probably make it work.
[03:51] <gwxnei001> k i know this isnt really ubuntu realted, i need some help making a new form pop up when i press a button in qt designer...anyone??
[03:51] <occy> ahhh
[03:51] <supernix> I did that once before still don't quite understand it
[03:51] <occy> persia, ok
[03:53] <sklp> Sonderblade: you need an smp-enabled kernel to take advantage of hyperthreading
[03:53] <occy> persia, I think I got it.
[03:53] <occy> persia, unless I haven't timed out.
[03:53] <occy> hehe
[03:53] <occy> here's the line:
[03:53] <kaffeend> Kyral I'm at that site and they have 0 desktop themes wtf?
[03:53] <occy> october  ALL = NOPASSWD: /sbin/rmmod,/sbin/modprobe
[03:54] <persia> occy: does it still ask for a password if you use modprobe?
[03:54] <Kyral> kaffeend, check Window Borders
[03:54] <kaffeend> kk
[03:54] <occy> persia, w00p! it works
[03:54] <occy> ;)
[03:55] <occy> opend another term, (where it asked me for my sudo su - pass)
[03:55] <HrdwrBoB> sudo -s
[03:55] <persia> occy: Glad to hear it then.  Thanks for posting the line.
[03:55] <HrdwrBoB> will giv eyou a root shell
[03:55] <occy> and then typed:  (without putting in my sudo pass)  I typed:    sudo rmmod psmouse   and it worked!
[03:55] <occy> persia, hey, thank you.  ;)
[03:55] <andpoi> I'm having problems with Audio/MP3
[03:55] <Seveas> HrdwrBoB, use sudo -i
[03:55] <occy> it's all about team.
[03:55] <occy> hehe
[03:55] <Seveas> not sudo -s
[03:55] <andpoi> I can't get the package gstreamer-mad thing
[03:55] <HrdwrBoB> Seveas: depends what you want
[03:55] <HrdwrBoB> anyway, bed time for me
[03:56] <kaffeend> hey these are some nice skins :D
[03:56] <Seveas> HrdwrBoB, i have not seen a single thing that needs -s
[03:56] <jowi> andpoi, the file name should be gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:56] <Will_> Well. I just installed kubuntu. And I have to admit, I like KDE more
[03:56] <andpoi> Yea, it doesnt' work
[03:56] <dvsoftware> i'm downlading official nvidia drivers
[03:57] <andpoi> jowi, can we PM?
[03:57] <jowi> !mp3
[03:57] <ubotu> mp3 is probably read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[03:57] <kaffeend> Kyral what's the d/load and install protocol with these peppies please?
[03:57] <persia> dvsoftware: Be careful: the newer versions don't support the older cards...
[03:57] <kaffeend> puppies*
[03:57] <dvsoftware> persia, what about nvidia geforce4 440 go ?
[03:57] <Sonderblade> sklp, thanks will just apt-get linux-686-smp do it automagically?
[03:58] <Kyral> kaffeend, there is an FAQ right there that explains it better than I can
[03:58] <Seveas> Sonderblade, you will have to reboot to :)
[03:58] <persia> dvsoftware: I don't know.  The NVIDIA site allows you to download the README before you download the drivers, and it has a list for each version.
[03:58] <kaffeend> Kyral okay - didn't see that - thanks ;)
[03:58] <dvsoftware> persia, it's quite new, it's in amd64 notebook
[04:00] <persia> dvsoftware: Never mind then - I'm abviously too tired: I thought it was an older model from something you said earlier, and forgot about the AMD64.  You're probably supported.
[04:00] <occy> persia, http://occy.net/node/135
[04:00] <dvsoftware> ok, i hope it will solve blank screen issue
[04:02] <persia> occy: That's probably worth adding to the wiki: I didn't see anything there.
[04:02] <Simonth> How do I install the files from www.openoffice.org? I can only get a very old version from apt-get,  I want the new 1.9 from www.openoffice.org, but I dont know how to install
[04:02] <_ng> Hi everybody. I'm building my own MySQL packages and put "Provides: libmysqlclient10, libmysqlclient12, mysql-common" in the control-file. That works fine for courier-authmysql, postfix-gld and postfix-mysql but proftpd-mysql still wants me to install libmysqlclient10. Any ideas?
[04:02] <OculusAquilae> Simonth: is it right that there are rpm files?
[04:03] <windex> Simonth, i have had problems with the openoffice development tree, and so have others. that's why it hasn't been released as 2.0 yet.
[04:03] <windex> Simonth, if you do install it be prepared for random crashing and document mangling.
[04:04] <jino> how to install real player
[04:04] <kaffeend> Damn! I downloaded this file but I have no idea where to???
[04:04] <windex> kaffeend, in firefox?
[04:05] <Simonth> OculusAquilae and windex: Okay, then I dont think I install it. It justs that that I LOVE new files ;)
[04:05] <kaffeend> windex yup
[04:05] <jino> Seveas, how to install real player?
[04:05] <windex> kaffeend, edit -> prefrences -> downloads .. see where downloads go by default.
[04:05] <kaffeend> windex ok cheers
[04:05] <jino> Some body plz help me installing real player
[04:06] <Simonth> Will Mozilla Thunderbird come on danish langague?
[04:06] <jino> bob2, how can i install real player?
[04:06] <dvsoftware> GeForce4 440 Go                    0x0174
[04:06] <OculusAquilae> Simonth: there are packages in breezy (next ubuntu version) scheduled for october
[04:06] <dvsoftware> well it's supported
[04:06] <drcode> hi all
[04:06] <windex> kaffeend, if that dosen't work, and you know the file name, you can run 'sudo updatedb' and then 'locate <filename>'.
[04:06] <bob2> jino: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:06] <drcode> how can I send at command to modem ?
[04:07] <drcode> with echo somthing ?
[04:07] <kaffeend> thanks again windex - turned out to be the desktop :P
[04:07] <Simonth> OculusAquilae, in 2 months right?..Okay - when breezy comes, do I need to burn a new cd and install from new or can I just upgrade?
[04:07] <windex> kaffeend, haha. :)
[04:07] <OculusAquilae> Simonth: you can upgrade
[04:07] <jino> thanx
[04:07] <Simonth> OculusAquilae, okay - good..
[04:08] <OculusAquilae> Simonth: but it is much too download
[04:08] <kaffeend> mmmm.... Digital_Cream....
[04:08] <andpoi> Anyone have gstreamer0.8-mad installed?
[04:09] <yomi> hey all. Got an error while booting the installation CD for Ubuntu: Uncompressing Linux... CRC error > -- System halted.
[04:09] <Simonth> OculusAquilae, how much? If it is lower than 1000mb it is a little bit only..
[04:09] <InitMass> i think that ubuntu should have a firewall installed by default. many new users unexperienced users forget to install and use it otherwise
[04:09] <kaffeend> now my windows look like ipod :D
[04:09] <andpoi> Anyone have gstreamer0.8-mad installed?
[04:09] <windex> Simonth, i may just be bitter because openoffice 2 'preview' release when it came out obliterated a business proposal i had spent 3 hours on. i had saved it regularly, but when it crashed, it overwrote the file with junk.
[04:09] <andpoi> I think the server it's on is down, because I can't get it.
[04:09] <jowi> guys, andpoi need gstreamer0.8-mad and have added the repos. apt-get still fails. i need to go.
[04:09] <jbpunk> who can speak Chinese?
[04:09] <jbpunk> ??
[04:09] <Simonth> windex, I see it is not working yet then :/
[04:10] <windex> Simonth, it might be slightly better now, but it was not a couple months ago.
[04:10] <occy> haha
[04:10] <occy> kick buttocks.
[04:10] <occy> hmm
[04:10] <occy> I wonder if there is a way to control the mouse with the arrow keys
[04:11] <Simonth> windex, Okay, but I just wait until a working OpenOffice 2 come out in ubuntu/kubuntu packages
[04:11] <occy> anyone know?
[04:11] <OculusAquilae> Simonth: i don't know how much you have to download, depends on the number of packages you have installed, but i think it will be less than 1000MB :-)
[04:11] <windex> occy, if there isin't, thats an accessibility feature that most likely should exist. :)
[04:11] <occy> windex, nod nod
[04:11] <occy> it'd be a neat trick to use if you don't have a mouse handy
[04:12] <kaffeend> can do it in xp :P
[04:12] <jbpunk> "can do it in xp "    wh???
[04:12] <windex> he means you can use the numpad as a mouse in xp.
[04:12] <windex> which is correct.
[04:12] <kaffeend> can do it in xp with a magnifying lense and a voive that reads to you
[04:13] <kaffeend> voice
[04:13] <dvsoftware> xp sucks
[04:13] <kaffeend> yep
[04:13] <Simonth> OculusAquilae, Okay - then it is nothing ;)
[04:13] <windex> dvsoftware, not if you're blind, or paralyzed, evidently.
[04:14] <jbpunk> fuck   Windows ---Me--xp---!!!
[04:14] <dvsoftware> xp was "alive" for about 15 minutes on my notebook
[04:14] <dvsoftware> and i accidently put ubuntu cd in dvd drive
[04:14] <occy> with this laptop, I never booted it to windows.
[04:14] <occy> I put in the Ubuntu CD, and never saw a windows screen
[04:14] <kaffeend> mine was no accident
[04:14] <occy> it's completely clean
[04:14] <lordmansfeld> occy: I remember doing that a few days ago (in linux)
[04:14] <occy> :)
[04:14] <drcode> vgetty is for voice/data?
[04:14] <dvsoftware> occy, i got it with windoze
[04:14] <lordmansfeld> but I can't remember how >.<
[04:14] <drcode> is there option to get fax/voice?
[04:14] <occy> lordmansfeld, using arrow keys with mouse?
[04:15] <occy> lordmansfeld, hmmm
[04:15] <lordmansfeld> occy: yes
[04:15] <lordmansfeld> I'll have a look...
[04:15] <jbpunk> everyone use FreeBSD  ?
[04:15] <kaffeend> not me yet
[04:15] <occy> lordmansfeld, thanks
[04:15] <dvsoftware> not for sure
[04:15] <windex> jbpunk, i've got it installed on one of my machines. i installed it when they implimented kernel-level threading so i could play with it. :)
[04:15] <dvsoftware> everyone???
[04:16] <jbpunk> o  !   any ?
[04:16] <dvsoftware> jbailey, i think this is ubuntu linux supprot chanel and not freebsd support channel
[04:17] <occy> lordmansfeld, gonna go google
[04:17] <jbailey> dvsoftware: Hmm?
[04:17] <occy> on another desktop.
[04:17] <occy> bbiab
[04:17] <dvsoftware> jbailey, sorry
[04:17] <dvsoftware> i meant jbpunk
[04:17] <jbailey> dvsoftware: Nothing stopping you from making an Ubuntu system based off of FreeBSD. =)
[04:18] <jbailey> Ah. =)
[04:18] <jbailey> No worries.
[04:18] <jbpunk> Who can tell me ?   ubuntu  or  debian  which  better?
[04:18] <lordmansfeld> occy: it was in SuSE, it's an option in SaX2
[04:19] <occy> lordmansfeld, ahhh
[04:19] <dvsoftware> jbpunk, if you are using it for desktop
[04:19] <dvsoftware> ubuntu
[04:19] <osfameron> dvsoftware: not for laptop?
[04:19] <dvsoftware> osfameron, i meant for basic desktop operations
[04:19] <jbpunk> ubuntu  ?    Web  ?
[04:20] <godzirra> Where does qmail send bounced mails?
[04:20] <godzirra> what user account?
[04:20] <dvsoftware> surfing, office, gaming, multimedia
[04:20] <crashd> hmm
[04:20] <lordmansfeld> occy: found it
[04:20] <crashd> has anyone had much luck with expocity?
[04:20] <lordmansfeld> occy: http://www.maysville-linux-users-group.org/article5.html
[04:20] <jbpunk> dvsoftware  haha !    I am  CHinese
[04:21] <windex> holy crap. was maysville-lug.org just not available?!
[04:21] <occy> lordmansfeld, ooh ok
[04:22] <itz> How do i do to get a user full rights over a group of users? lets say i connect a couple of user to froup "ftp" nad i want user "john" to get the rights to delete or move everything the group "ftp" creates?
[04:23] <ph8> lo all, i'm trying to install my ATI drivers - i've found a tutorial on the forums which is just dandy but whenever i change the driver from "ATI" to "fglrx" things start breaking - apparently this is the important step but i've got no idea how to debug
[04:24] <jbpunk> My machine is very poor, i can use which os, ???   for desktop!
[04:24] <_SWAT_> jbpunk, please be a bit more specific
[04:25] <jbpunk> pecific ??   what is ?
[04:25] <_SWAT_> ph8, I have a Radeon 9700 pro and just used the ATI installer (just look at the ATI website). I have my dual-screen setup working fine :)
[04:25] <jbpunk> i  do not know !
[04:25] <dvsoftware> jbpunk, cpu, mainboard, graphics, etc?
[04:26] <occy> lordmansfeld, got it!
[04:26] <occy> lordmansfeld, it's awfuly slooooow
[04:26] <occy> heh
[04:26] <occy> wonder if you can speed that up somehow
[04:26] <lordmansfeld> hehe yeah
[04:27] <Seveas> itz, that's not something that is easily possible...
[04:27] <lordmansfeld> well, it speeds up if you leave your finger on the key -.-
[04:27] <Seveas> (if at all)
[04:27] <_SWAT_> jbpunk, just to be clear. This is the Ubuntu channel, which is a linux (debian-based) distribution
[04:27] <windex> is there a localized ubuntu channel for chinese?
[04:27] <Seveas> windex, #ubuntu-zh
[04:27] <windex> oh.
[04:27] <windex> i think jbpunk was asking that before.
[04:27] <jbpunk> ............
[04:27] <adkinsj> anyone successful getting recent CVS wine build running with ie?
[04:28] <_SWAT_> jbpunk, just join the other chinese channel
[04:28] <adkinsj> I get problems when IE tries to setup "Cannot contact the internet..."
[04:28] <_SWAT_> don't use IE it's evil'
[04:28] <jbpunk> sorry  !!
[04:28] <adkinsj> hehe I agree
[04:28] <jbpunk> i  know !
[04:28] <adkinsj> but gotta test some pages with it
[04:29] <_SWAT_> just ask someone who uses windows ;)
[04:29] <itz> Seveas, can i fix it in another way? i got several users uploading to my ftp and its bugging me to type sudo all the time to just taking stuff from upload to the correct folder
[04:29] <_SWAT_> adkinsj, just make you're site using the standards (and not using browser specific code) and you'll be fine :D
[04:30] <Seveas> _SWAT_, not true
[04:30] <lordmansfeld> _SWAT_ that doesn't apply to IE ;)
[04:30] <Seveas> IE f*cks up
[04:30] <Seveas> MS still does not understand standards :)
[04:30] <_SWAT_> Seveas, lordmansfeld, I know. But that's the fault of M$
[04:31] <ph8> _SWAT_:   Just the 30 mb installer?
[04:31] <itz> Seveas, i got chown "john" /home/ftp but when users uploading i dont get rights over the stuff..  are u with me?
[04:31] <ph8> or the rpm?
[04:31] <Seveas> itz, some ftp servers provide post-upload scripts
[04:32] <Seveas> use these to correct that
[04:32] <itz> Seveas, ok... sometimes linux is just a pain in the butt :(
[04:32] <_SWAT_> ph8, just download the ATI linux drivers and the installer.sh script should be there somewhere. Just read the howto
[04:32] <ph8> i'm saying there's an RPM and 30 mb installer file
[04:32] <ph8> going with the installer one
[04:32] <_SWAT_> itz, linux is plain logical :P
[04:32] <Seveas> ph8, good
[04:33] <Seveas> ph8, don't take the rpm one :)
[04:33] <itz> _SWAT_,  well logical maybe but effective NO
[04:33] <Simonth> how do I run "ati-driver-installer-8.14.13.run" ?
[04:33] <Seveas> Simonth, don't
[04:33] <Seveas> use the ati drivers provided by Ubuntu
[04:34] <Simonth> Seveas, , how do I install the ati drivers from Ubuntu?
[04:34] <itz> Simonth, u dont. u install ms win xp and averything get much easier :o
[04:34] <_SWAT_> Seveas, what are you talking about? I'm always using the newest ATI drivers. And my dual-head setup works fine :)
[04:34] <Seveas> Simonth, sudo aptitude install linux-686 (or linux-k7 if you are using an AMD processor)
[04:35] <Seveas> itz, ....
[04:35] <Simonth> Seveas, Iam using kubuntu - amd64 version
[04:35] <itz> hehe
[04:35] <itz> sorri had to
[04:35] <itz> :P
[04:35] <_SWAT_> Seveas, we're talking about graphics drivers, not kernels :D
[04:35] <Seveas> _SWAT_, they come with the kernel packages...
[04:35] <Seveas> hmm, amd64
[04:35] <luminerd> Hello!  I am having a problem on a fresh install of Kubuntu.  It is with my PS/2 mouse.  I checked the modules, and sure enough, PSMOUSE is loaded.  I tryed cating and oding /dev/psaux...no reply.  Someone here yesterday told me to download GPM, but someone elsewhere told me that GPM wouldn't help me since I'm not getting a reply anyway.  Can someone help me out please?
[04:35] <Seveas> Simonth, what does 'uname -a' tell you?
[04:35] <Simonth> Seveas, Linux simon 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic #1 Fri Jun 24 16:54:18 UTC 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[04:36] <Seveas> Simonth, ok
[04:36] <kemik> _SWAT_:  how do you install the latest ATI drivers? make from source?
[04:36] <_SWAT_> Simonth, I would suggest downloading/installing the newest graphics drivers from the ATI website using their installer. It has worked for me :) (btw, I'm using 32bit)
[04:36] <Seveas> Simonth, and what does 'slocate fglrx' say?
[04:36] <_SWAT_> kemik, I would suggest downloading/installing the newest graphics drivers from the ATI website using their installer. It has worked for me :) (btw, I'm using 32bit)
[04:36] <Seveas> _SWAT_, don't do that...
[04:36] <kemik> _SWAT_:  hmm ok i'll look into it
[04:36] <Seveas> that it works for you does not mean it is easy for us to support...
[04:36] <_SWAT_> kemik, it says so on the ATI website. They even have a nice GUI installer :)
[04:37] <Simonth> Seveas, /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-amd64-generic/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko
[04:37] <Seveas> Simonth, nice
[04:37] <Seveas> you only have to edit xorg.conf then :)
[04:37] <Seveas> Simonth, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg.conf
[04:37] <kemik> Seveas:  ubuntu-team really should be better at supporting gfx-drivers as these are some of the "most important" ones
[04:37] <Pegasos989> Note to seld: NEVER again be near a computer if the screen says anything along the lines of "format" or "partition"... I just formated 49 gigs of good pr0n... But atleast got more than enough room now. THis thingie seems to be installed finally. \o/
[04:37] <_SWAT_> Seveas, I know. But installing the drivers isn't difficult. I just like using hte newest graphics drivers (because ATI really needs to work quite hard on those)
[04:37] <Seveas> answer the default answer to everything
[04:37] <Scholar_Gypsy> hi, i just installed the mac os theme on Gnome (on Ubuntu), but I am unable to make the taskbar like the one on the screen shot on http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=13548
[04:37] <Scholar_Gypsy> can any one help me with this one?
[04:38] <Seveas> and when it asks driver, answer: fglrx
[04:38] <Seveas> that's all :)
[04:38] <_SWAT_> Seveas, we were talking about you last night ;-)  (nothing big though)
[04:38] <Seveas> kemik, it's simply impossible to do that....
[04:38] <Seveas> _SWAT_, hmmm
[04:38] <Simonth> Iam running X now (with X-chat)...I do not know which graphics drivers I had, that was the reason to install the newest ATI drivers, and some of the OpenGL screensavers runs sloooow, so I think it was maybe the ATI drivers that I dont have, or they are too old..
[04:38] <Seveas> care to give a summary?
[04:38] <Simonth> Seveas, Iam running X now (with X-chat)...I do not know which graphics drivers I had, that was the reason to install the newest ATI drivers, and some of the OpenGL screensavers runs sloooow, so I think it was maybe the ATI drivers that I dont have, or they are too old..*
[04:38] <Seveas> Simonth, by default the ate drivers are installed but not enabled
[04:38] <rob_newbie> I am tring to install beep media player and apt-get is not finding it anyone know the proper file name or any suggestions? I have already apt-update and still not finding it.
[04:39] <kemik> Pegasos989:  i know that feeling... accidentally formatted the wrong partition once (was up laaaate and doing "important stuff" .. well ofcourse i messed up... got my lesson learned)
[04:39] <Simonth> Seveas, how do I enable them?
[04:39] <Seveas> that's ehat dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is for
[04:39] <luminerd> I could start begging for help right now, but I don't suppose it would do what I'd want it to...which is display my sense of urgency.  I have 25 PC's that were supposed to be running this morning, but I have to get them running ASAP.  I know you guys do this for free and nobody requires you to do anything...but I would REALLY appreciate the help :)
[04:39] <Orbi-> do i need to install some special packages to get ssh connecition to my ubuntu computer from windows computer?
[04:39] <Pegasos989> :)
[04:39] <_SWAT_> kemik, the ATI drivers are crap. They need to work at it.
[04:39] <Orbi-> with program like putty
[04:39] <Seveas> Simonth, also: sudo aptitude install xorg-driver-fglrx
[04:39] <Simonth> Seveas, I have run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg many times now...are there any way I can see about the ATI drivers is enabled or not?..
[04:39] <Simonth> Seveas, , I try
[04:39] <kemik> _SWAT_:  well, at least TV-out works (a friend has nvidia and had alot of trouble gettint tv.out to work)
[04:39] <rob_newbie> Hello all
[04:39] <Seveas> luminerd, what's the problem
[04:39] <ph8> [Message]  Kernel Module : Trying to install a precompiled kernel module.
[04:39] <ph8> [Message]  Kernel Module : Precompiled kernel module version mismatched.
[04:39] <ph8> [Error]  Kernel Module : No kernel module build environment - please consult readme.
[04:40] <ph8> i can't find any readme
[04:40] <Seveas> ph8, DO NOT paste in here
[04:40] <luminerd> Seveas, shall I repeat it?
[04:40] <ph8> apologies
[04:40] <ruschi> hi folks, is there any standard or information about ho menues and the .desktop files are handles. for instance I go 3 global and 1 user location for xfig.desktop
[04:40] <traveller> i'm having trouble running apt-get update, it says failed to fetch a Packages.gz but when i click on the link itself, i can get to it
[04:40] <Seveas> luminerd, yes please :)
[04:40] <kemik> Simonth:  try glxgears and see if it's increased ;)
[04:40] <rob_newbie> Thank you all for all the help by the way
[04:40] <Simonth> Seveas, it install xorg-driver-fglrx now..after it had installed that, what should I do then?
[04:40] <Simonth> kemik, good idea.. ;)
[04:40] <Foaly> does so use licq ?
[04:40] <ruschi> I am pretty pissed off because anytime I install a program, tat is nonstandard I have to create user specific .desktop entries by using kmenuedit
[04:41] <Seveas> Simonth, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg again
[04:41] <concept10_> ph8, what are you tring to install
[04:41] <Seveas> ruschi, relax, that's being fixed...
[04:41] <Simonth> Seveas, okay but maybe I lost my screen settings then, last time I used dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it all the times forgot my 1024x768@85hz setting so I configured the xorg.conf file by my self, but I cant remember how now.. ;) But I hope it works...
[04:41] <sls> how do you enable acpi "hiberate" in ubuntu
[04:41] <ruschi> @Seveas hopefully
[04:41] <sls> ?
[04:41] <luminerd> Hello!  I am having a problem on a fresh install of Kubuntu.  It is with my PS/2 mouse.  I checked the modules, and sure enough, PSMOUSE is loaded.  I tryed cating and oding /dev/psaux...no reply.  Someone here yesterday told me to download GPM, but someone elsewhere told me that GPM wouldn't help me since I'm not getting a reply anyway.  Can someone help me out please?
[04:42] <Seveas> Simonth, if you know how to edit xorg.conf: do that now too
[04:42] <sls> it works out of the box in kubuntu
[04:42] <Seveas> search for driver   "ati"
[04:42] <_SWAT_> Seveas, are you a Ubuntu-developer or something? You are often online here and helping out a lot of people. On the same note: great job, keep it up :-)
[04:42] <Seveas> and replace that with driver      "fglrx"
[04:42] <Pegasos989> Ooh. I <3 this update system! No long trips to windosupdate and downloading 80 megs service packs <3<3<3
[04:42] <Simonth> Seveas, okay - 2 seconds..I take a backup of the file first..
[04:42] <Seveas> Simonth, good attitude :)
[04:43] <_SWAT_> Pegasos989, and tell all of your friend about Ubuntu. Make them use it :)
[04:43] <Seveas> luminerd, hmm....
[04:43] <Seveas> what kind of mouse?
[04:43] <Seveas> (brand, model)
[04:43] <itz> Seveas, maybe i got a "solution" to it... i make a "shortcut" to a little script lile sudo chown -R "john" /home/ftp/Upload   What do u think?
[04:43] <sls> I tried the fglrx driver on a DELL latitude c600 -- that particular ati card is not supported
[04:44] <Seveas> itz, that's the easiest solution
[04:44] <Simonth> Seveas,  it is very stupid not to take backups :) Believe me! I have experience..I lost my hole damn homepage cause of my stupidity ;)
[04:44] <luminerd> Seveas, errr...sysgration SAGM002
[04:44] <itz> Seveas, gr8 thx
[04:44] <Seveas> Simonth, hehe
[04:44] <Seveas> I know the experience :)
[04:44] <luminerd> Seveas, but the mouse works fine on my windoze box :/
[04:44] <Simonth> :)
[04:44] <ph8> concept10_: The ATI drivers from the website - i've triedn numerous readmes for using the Ubunutu built in and it just doesn't work
[04:45] <Kyral> Everything works on a Windows Box, thats why its boring
[04:45] <ph8> I have a fairly new laptop with an M200 gfx card
[04:45] <ph8> well a brand new laptop
[04:45] <Pegasos989> Hmm. This might actually be something that I could get atleast one of my friends to try... No any of those "Choose wich ones of these 9999999 debian packages you want t instal" etc. crap. Sure they are good if you reallly like customizing and know what you are doing, but...
[04:45] <Pegasos989> Hmm... Updating doesn't require me to boot?
[04:45] <Simonth> Kyral, everything?..hmm.. I dont think ;)
[04:45] <_SWAT_> Simonth, backups are good (I'm also used to making them. Especially of /boot/grub/menu.lst :P
[04:45] <ph8> whenever i change the driver to fglrx in xorg.conf for the Ubuntu setup i get a black screen on X server restart, so i was trying the 'official' ATI ones
[04:45] <Kyral> Simonth, it was a joke :P
[04:46] <ph8> but i get those errors, if someone wouldn't mind lending a hand
[04:46] <kemik> Seveas:  need to restart X for xorg.conf to be "reloaded" ?
[04:46] <Seveas> kemik, yup
[04:46] <Simonth> _SWAT_, I never touch that file, it is too dangerous(cant spell either) :P
[04:46] <ruschi> ok, but back to the menuproblem, where do I put the .desktop entries so they will be found by kappfinder and/or appear automatically in the menues both for gnome and KDE (mainly kde)
[04:46] <Simonth> Kyral, oh..sure :P
[04:46] <windex> Kyral, i wasn't aware microsoft was paying people to sit in #ubuntu :D
[04:47] <ruschi> strangely some users don't even have the "debian" meu anymore
[04:47] <ph8> please?
[04:47] <Pegasos989> I tried fedora coree 1 and debian 3.0 before but got tired of trying to configure my internet (unlike this, they didn't recognize my networks card) and there was this one big diffrence. What about root account? I made one when installing and logged in, so am I logged in as a root? :S
[04:47] <ph8> I donate regularly and everything :)
[04:47] <Seveas> ruschi, /usr/share/applications
[04:47] <ruschi> thanks
[04:47] <_SWAT_> Pegasos989, rebooting isn't that popular with linux :) . My PC has an uptime of 6 days. I turned it off because of lighting. Even when installing graphics drivers you only need to reboot the xserver, so even that doesn't need a reboot :D
[04:48] <Seveas> luminerd, hmm, all I can find about sysgration is 3-button serial mice...
[04:48] <ruschi> do I have to edit any xml files?
[04:48] <Seveas> ruschi, try smeg for easy menu editing...
[04:48] <Seveas> works for KDE too, despite its name
[04:48] <luminerd> Seveas, this is 3-button...aren't most all mice now?
[04:48] <ruschi> I'' give it a try
[04:48] <Seveas> luminerd, is it serial-with-ps2-adaptor?
[04:48] <ph8> _SWAT_: Did you get this error?
[04:49] <luminerd> Seveas, umm...no...no adaptor
[04:49] <ruschi> there is no "smeg" on my system nor in apt-get
[04:50] <lordmansfeld> rushi: have you activated universe and multiverse repositories?
[04:50] <lordmansfeld> *ruschi :)
[04:51] <Seveas> !smeg
[04:51] <ubotu> I heard smeg is a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[04:51] <Seveas> ^-- ruschi
[04:51] <selinium> any vim users about?
[04:51] <lordmansfeld> <--
[04:51] <st_lim> hi,
[04:51] <st_lim> how do I install a udeb file?
[04:52] <lordmansfeld> yes selinium ^^
[04:52] <st_lim> and how do I have udeb files in aptitude??
[04:52] <scapor> are there any good drivers available for the intel grafics chips in laptops ? with dri etc ?
[04:52] <Seveas> with extensive use of :sp that means about 20 files :)
[04:52] <Seveas> st_lim, udpkg -i
[04:52] <Seveas> what are you trying to install? manually installing udebs can be tricky...
[04:52] <selinium> lordmansfeld: Cool I am trying to fire up the tutorial on vim. how do you do it?
[04:53] <Seveas> vimtutor
[04:53] <st_lim> udpkg?
[04:53] <lordmansfeld> vimtutor from bash?
[04:53] <ruschi> @lordmansfeld yes I have them all activated
[04:53] <st_lim> is there an apt tool for that?
[04:53] <selinium> CHeers guys!
[04:53] <ruschi> but still no smeg
[04:53] <Seveas> ruschi, it's not in the standard repositories
[04:53] <Seveas> !smeg
[04:53] <ubotu> smeg is probably a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[04:53] <lordmansfeld> ruschi: i think Seveas has answered your question :)
[04:53] <Seveas> look at that url
[04:53] <ruschi> thanks
[04:53] <ph8> Seveas: Any chance of you helping me out?
[04:53] <ph8> :/
[04:54] <Seveas> what are you installing ph8?
[04:54] <tikka> bye ubuntu, for i am ditching you for my other lover. gentoo
[04:54] <luminerd> how do I get out of the X config screen in console?
[04:54] <ph8> Seveas: The ATI Drivers from their website
[04:54] <Seveas> ph8, why?
[04:54] <factor> Control C it luminerd?
[04:54] <ph8> Explained above that i just can't get the Ubuntu bundled working
[04:54] <Seveas> Youhmm
[04:54] <luminerd> factor, not working :/
[04:55] <ph8> I've followed all the guides but whenevr i set driver "fglrx" it just kills my X display
[04:55] <Seveas> ph8, and why do you think these will work..?
[04:55] <factor> Hm
[04:55] <ph8> Was trying everything?
[04:55] <Seveas> ph8, you need to change a few other bitx
[04:55] <Seveas> most notably the mosules section
[04:55] <ph8> Any advice is appreciated
[04:55] <ph8> yup gotthat
[04:55] <factor> luminerd> What's the program name?
[04:55] <ph8> was following this guide -> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557
[04:55] <Seveas> ph8, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/925
[04:56] <Seveas> that's my *working* xorg.conf
[04:56] <Seveas> on a laptop with radeon mobility
[04:56] <Seveas> and don't follow forum guides, use the wiki :)
[04:56] <Pegasos989> They say that to add mp3support you need to type "apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad" to the root terminal but it isn't working. "E: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-mad"
[04:57] <luminerd> factor, err, umm...not sure
[04:57] <lordmansfeld> try without the version number maybe
[04:57] <luminerd> factor, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:57] <ph8> oo
[04:57] <ph8> that looks useful
[04:57] <ph8> will try that
[04:57] <ph8> word in a second or so
[04:57] <lordmansfeld> (easiest is to look it up in Synaptic, Pegasos989)
[04:57] <Seveas> Pegasos989, enable the universe repository
[04:57] <Seveas> Pegasos989: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[04:57] <Seveas> Pegasos989: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[04:58] <Pegasos989> Thx
[04:58] <luminerd> factor, nvm, I'll just reboot
[04:58] <luminerd> lol
[04:58] <ruschi> smeg doesn't install it depends on python-xdg >= 0.14 ; I got python-xdg 0.9-1  --- The tarball doesn't install because it can't find /usr/lib/python2.4/config/Makefile
[04:58] <factor> Lol luminerd
[04:59] <factor> If all else fails, reboot!
[04:59] <dvsoftware> yeaahh
[04:59] <Seveas> ruschi, use the installeer script
[04:59] <factor> Yo protoman
[04:59] <dvsoftware> nvidia driver works
[04:59] <luminerd> factor, well, it's what the M$ support team has been paid to tell people for years...it must be worth something!
[04:59] <ph8> what's v4l/xtt Seveas ?
[04:59] <factor> Haha.  I wish I got paid every time I helped someone with a computer.
[05:00] <factor> Where help == restart :-P
[05:00] <ruschi> yes this is what I used
[05:00] <luminerd> lol
[05:00] <ruschi> and it complains about a missing makefile somewhere
[05:00] <ruschi> ./setup.py install --prefix=/usr/local/
[05:00] <ruschi> unable to open /usr/lib/python2.4/config/Makefile (No such file or directory)
[05:01] <Seveas> ruschi, you uset the installscript from realistanew.com?
[05:01] <Seveas> http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg/installsmeg
[05:01] <incomplete> Hi, is there any documentation about how to make an hoary package?
[05:01] <ruschi> no, sorry...........
[05:01] <Seveas> try that :)
[05:02] <mpm1> anyone recommend a messenger (not, amsn/gaim).
[05:02] <Protoman8> <.<
[05:02] <factor> Haha
[05:02] <Seveas> bitlbee+xchat
[05:02] <factor> Your christening of IRC is <.< :-P
[05:02] <dvsoftware> ehhhh... now cedega
[05:02] <scapor> mpm1: gossip
[05:02] <Protoman8> thats right
[05:02] <Protoman8> cuz it took liek 20mins of my life to get here
[05:02] <mpmc> does gossip support msn?
[05:02] <factor> Haha
[05:03] <Protoman8> and part of your
[05:03] <Protoman8> *yours
[05:03] <lordmansfeld> mpmc, you could try Mercury for a MSN clone
[05:03] <windex> Protoman8, IP over avian carrier?
[05:03] <incomplete> mpm1, did you try BitlBee
[05:03] <ph8> Seveas:  About to give it a go
[05:03] <factor> LOL windex
[05:03] <Seveas> ph8, good luck!
[05:03] <incomplete> What was the ubuntu packaging-centric IRC channel?
[05:03] <lordmansfeld> mpmc, Mercury supports quite a few of the messenger Plus bells and whistles (colours and stuff) but it's a bit slow
[05:04] <jdahm> hey I cannot get my cd to eject, uts not mounted and it still wont eject
[05:04] <jdahm> any ideas?
[05:04] <rob_newbie> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `libglade-2.0.pc'
[05:04] <rob_newbie> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
[05:04] <rob_newbie> No package 'libglade-2.0' found
[05:04] <rob_newbie> configure: error: Cannot find libglade
[05:04] <Seveas> incomplete, #ubuntu-motu perhaps
[05:04] <lucasr> where can i get kernel-headers-2.6.10-5-amd64-generic?
[05:04] <Seveas> rob_newbie, NEVER paste in here
[05:04] <Seveas> rob_newbie, read the topic...
[05:04] <lucasr> I can find it...
[05:04] <Seveas> lucasr, linux-headers.....
[05:04] <rob_newbie> Oh sorry
[05:05] <windex> jdahm, places -> computer -> (right click, ) Eject dosen't work for you?
[05:05] <Seveas> lucasr, the easy way: sudo aptitude install linux-amd64-generic
[05:05] <Seveas> rob_newbie, what are you trying to install?
[05:05] <lucasr> Seveas, ah, ok, i thought it was like debian...
[05:05] <jdahm> windex: nope I get 'eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument'
[05:05] <rob_newbie> Seveas; Beep media player
[05:06] <jdahm> windex: been trying that
[05:06] <Seveas> rob_newbie, that's in the repositories!!
[05:06] <Seveas> don't install it from source...
[05:06] <jdahm> hey is americas army in the repository?
[05:06] <rob_newbie> Seveas: I have not found it
[05:06] <windex> jdahm, sometimes cdrom drives lock up in a way that requires a power off to fix. at least, all my first-generation dvd-rw's do.
[05:06] <Seveas> rob_newbie, then enable universe
[05:07] <jdahm> windex: ah mines a cdrw
[05:07] <Mackx> Hello all
[05:07] <rob_newbie> Seveas: How do I do that?
[05:07] <simplydazed> Hi, i just did a default installation of Hoary. Was just curious to find out why does my system boot into runlevel 5 when it's explicity stated to boot into level 2? Thanks
[05:07] <windex> jdahm, in that case, that may be your problem. :) my usual cd burning drive is now a usb disk so i can toggle it on and off when it locks up.
[05:07] <Seveas> rob_newbie: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:07] <Seveas> rob_newbie: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[05:07] <jdahm> hey is there a way online to view the repository because its hard to view all those packages in synaptics?
[05:08] <Seveas> simplydazed, then you must have changed something
[05:08] <jdahm> windex: ah cool
[05:08] <icewt> jdahm, packages.ubuntu.com
[05:08] <InquiringMind> does anybody know if linux will ever take advantage of the idea of universal binaries like apple just did?
[05:08] <ph8> Seveas: X came back but my original problem remains
[05:08] <ph8> I'm trying to use the solar winds screensaver
[05:08] <ph8> and the preview looks fantastic but full screen is laggy (with a capital L)
[05:08] <mpmc> Please recommend an MSN/IRC client in one...
[05:08] <Seveas> ph8, what is your glxgears score?
[05:08] <jdahm> icewt: ah cool
[05:08] <Bubbling_Zombie> mpmc : gaim
[05:08] <windex> InquiringMind, oddly, it wouldn't be very hard to support this similar to what apple does. it just requires a launcher directory format to be followed by a window manager.
[05:09] <simplydazed> Seveas: Default installation. In inittab it's default level is 2, but it boots to 5.
[05:09] <Seveas> InquiringMind, 'Universal Binaries'?
[05:09] <mpmc> not gaim/amsn
[05:09] <ph8> it's a graphic with running gears
[05:09] <rob_newbie> Seveas: Ok Thank You
[05:09] <ph8> how do i find the score?
[05:09] <icewt> mpmc, bitlbee
[05:09] <verona> HOLA
[05:09] <darkwise> Is epic or BitchX in those packages?
[05:09] <Seveas> simplydazed, how did you find out it boots to 5?
[05:09] <_SWAT_> ph8, sorry, I was out for a moment
[05:09] <_SWAT_> fixing some door
[05:09] <_SWAT_> s
[05:09] <ph8> nps swat thanks for getting back
[05:09] <tim> ph8, just type glxgears in a terminal
[05:09] <ph8> i did
[05:09] <mpmc> Icewt: I dunno how to config that
[05:09] <windex> Seveas, apple ships these things they call universal binaries that cross PPC and i386. they're basically a normal OS X launcher directory with 2 binary directories, one for each platform.
[05:09] <selinium> lordmansfeld Seveas: cheers for the vim thing. I am working on a computer 3 miles away. Woo hoo!
[05:09] <ph8> and it brings up the graphic of three turning wheels
[05:09] <simplydazed> Seveas: Well, does Ubuntu initiate xinit for 2?
[05:09] <ph8> oh wait
[05:09] <ph8> i see :p
[05:10] <Seveas> windex, ah, bloat :)
[05:10] <ph8> averaging about 800FPS
[05:10] <_SWAT_> ph8, when you used the ATI installer you need to run.... eehmm...... fglrx-config or something. It's an ATI TUI tool to config the xorg.conf
[05:10] <icewt> mpmc, read the docs then :)
[05:10] <Seveas> simplydazed, yep
[05:10] <InquiringMind> seveas:  universal binaries allow a program to work on virtually any platform
[05:10] <windex> Seveas, yep. but, it'll help make things easier for mac users, and that's what apple does.
[05:10] <Seveas> simplydazed, in a terminal type: runlevel
[05:10] <InquiringMind> as if it were pure binary. or w/e
[05:10] <simplydazed> Seveas: well, thats solves it. Thanks :)
[05:10] <ph8> _SWAT_:  Seveas seems to have helped me get it working without the ati drivers from the site
[05:10] <Seveas> windex, Ubuntu ships PPC and i386 cd's
[05:10] <ph8> by helped i mean virtuaqlly done it all for me
[05:10] <_SWAT_> ph8, hehehe. Alright then. :D
[05:10] <ph8> which i have no complaints about :)
[05:10] <Seveas> and on ppc you automagically install ppc binaries
[05:10] <Seveas> even simpler :)
[05:10] <InquiringMind> does anybody know if i can edit SWF files directly under linux?
[05:10] <windex> InquiringMind, that is not what apple is doing with it's 'universal binary'. your application in what you just wrote there is closer to how java or .net works.
[05:11] <Seveas> and less diskspace/bandwith needed
[05:11] <ph8> So yes Seveas : 800FPS
[05:11] <craig> hey
[05:11] <Seveas> InquiringMind, Ubuntu ships PPC and i386 cd's
[05:11] <ph8> 4000 frames/5 secs
[05:11] <InquiringMind> winex, sorry - im not really up on it
[05:11] <Seveas> sorry windex ;)
[05:11] <darkwise> Ok I found BitchX, I am kind of a newb, do I need to install the ssl support for it also, or just the package itself.
[05:11] <Sputn1k> after nvidia driver installiation everything works find, but after pc reboot x's don't work and i have to change driver to nv, where is the probem?
[05:12] <Seveas> darkwise, sudo aptitude install bitchx
[05:12] <windex> Seveas, sokay, i ignore people directing messages to me very effectivley. it's a result of being a BOFH at my last job for so long.
[05:12] <Seveas> and done :)
[05:12] <Seveas> windex, hehe :)
[05:12] <simplydazed> Seveas: i'm comming from a RH background. Got a small question. Any tui way to assign daemons status per runlevel? Something like chkconfig?
[05:12] <InquiringMind> oh.....can i use my iriver in linx?
[05:12] <Pegasos989> I just don't understand that adding universe thignie. " https://wiki.ubuntu.com//AddingRepositoriesHowto " I gwet to that last step "Once the package list has been updated, packages from universe can be installed" but umm... There is a lot of pakages. Am I meant to install them all? Like twenty or so. And none of them clearly labels  "universe" or anything
[05:12] <InquiringMind> linux*?
[05:12] <Seveas> simplydazed, update-rc.d
[05:12] <kawin> test
[05:12] <simplydazed> Seveas: thanks again
[05:13] <Seveas> if by tui you mean gui: for breezy there will be a gui
[05:13] <ph8> any thoughts on the glx/screensaver results Seveas ?
[05:13] <darkwise> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "BitchX"
[05:13] <darkwise> No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
[05:13] <Seveas> ph8, nope
[05:13] <Seveas> darkwise, bitchx
[05:13] <darkwise> did that also
[05:13] <simplydazed> Seveas: text-user-interface
[05:13] <darkwise> :P
[05:13] <windex> Seveas, what's really funny is that i come in here in the morning to wake up, and i come in here in the evening because the _worst_ linux users are still smarter than most of the people i work with :D
[05:13] <ph8> fglrxinfo still says Mesa, don't know if that's meant to be like that Seveas ?
[05:13] <Seveas> darkwise, enable universe then...
[05:13] <LBthc> anyone wants to help a Ubuntu newbie?
[05:14] <ph8> ask away LBthc
[05:14] <Seveas> ph8, that's odd
[05:14] <ph8> i'll try a reboot
[05:14] <Seveas> have you commented out the Load   "glcore" in xorg.conf?
[05:14] <ph8> yes
[05:14] <Pegasos989> windex, I can prove thant wrong by just... u know... existing
[05:14] <ph8> like in yours
[05:14] <_SWAT_> ph8, that is strange
[05:14] <Seveas> ph8, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/926
[05:14] <craig> Have a problem wid disk drive says it is mounted sudo fdisk -l but not in cfdisk does someone know why this is iam trying 2 access it but cant thanks in advance fro any help
[05:14] <Seveas> that's my fglrxinfo
[05:14] <Seveas> try rebooting indeed
[05:14] <windex> Pegasos989, bzzt. i deal with people who occasionaly do not understand why the building needs power for their computer to work.
[05:14] <Pegasos989> oh
[05:14] <_SWAT_> Seveas, rebooting.... sounds scary :D
[05:14] <LBthc> ok. i have a HD of 200gb (with important stuff inside) formated in NTFS. not mounted. how can i get everything working so that i can use and manipulate files from there? i dont need windows systems anymore.
[05:15] <Pegasos989> I guess I was wrong
[05:15] <mindmedic> LBthc, just ask
[05:15] <Seveas> _SWAT_, X is a persistent bitch ;)
[05:15] <Fitzsimmons> what is .nl the TLD for?
[05:15] <windex> netherlands
[05:15] <Fitzsimmons> thanks
[05:15] <jdahm> is HAL a internet related thing on gnome?
[05:15] <Seveas> Fitzsimmons, why do you want to know? :)
[05:15] <darkwise> .nl isn't neverland?
[05:15] <Pegasos989> windex, where do you exactly work then?
[05:15] <_SWAT_> Seveas, I always do "alt+F1"... then kill gdm and xorg-common.... and then restart it :D
[05:15] <ph8> ok thans brb
[05:15] <Seveas> darkwise, lol :)
[05:15] <Fitzsimmons> Seveas: curious
[05:15] <windex> Pegasos989, i own my own consulting shop. i deal with a wide range of customers.
[05:15] <ruschi> CONCLUSION: They way menues and Menue entries are handled under various Desktop definitely need a review - freedesktop.org is providing standards and they are implemented as it seem but all other standards are implemented as well - thats the point....
[05:15] <Pegasos989> k
[05:16] <darkwise> Neverland Ranch.
[05:16] <InquiringMind> does anybody know how i can transfer files in a GUI fashion from my iriver to my ubuntu box? im using the ifp-895
[05:16] <darkwise> You been there Seveas?
[05:16] <darkwise> :P
[05:16] <selinium> InquiringMind: there are a few apps around. ifp-line is a command line tool iripdb - Generates the DB files for the iRiver iHP-1xx  pmp-common - hotplug scripts for portable music players     also there is libiriverdb    take a look
[05:16] <Seveas> ruschi, correct
[05:16] <Seveas> darkwise, nope ;)
[05:16] <incomplete> I'll ask here too: is it possible to compile the libcairo breezy package in hoary?  i.e. adjusting the dependicies.
[05:16] <Seveas> incomplete, sure
[05:17] <Seveas> apt-get source it, change the deps and compile
[05:17] <InquiringMind> thanks selinium
[05:17] <_SWAT_> non-linux question. Does anyone know a good site for nice wallpapers and a nice site for pimped linux desktops? I need some inspiration :D
[05:17] <InquiringMind> art.gnome.org swat
[05:17] <Seveas> no guarantees on whether it will work though
[05:17] <InquiringMind> freshmeat.net also works, SWAT
[05:17] <selinium> InquiringMind: np
[05:17] <Earered> jdahm, in the linux world HAL stands for HArdware Abstraction Layer
[05:17] <darkwise> So what is this Universe thing seveas? Just curious, like to know what it is before I enable it.
[05:17] <jdahm> Earered: I just saw that and nice joke :P
[05:17] <incomplete> Seveas, I got the .orig.tar.gz, .dsc and .diff.gz manually, could you tell me how to continue?  I'm not fond on .deb creation and so.
[05:17] <_SWAT_> thnx InquiringMind :)
[05:17] <Seveas> darkwise, it contains all packages maintained by the community :)
[05:18] <darkwise> So there is no security risk involved?
[05:18] <Despeeh> THE community :)
[05:18] <Pegasos989> I hope I am not doing anything bad when I am marking EVERYTHING in synaptic to be installed. ;D
[05:18] <Seveas> incomplete, sudo aptitude install maint-guide
[05:18] <InquiringMind> _SWAT_ no prob
[05:18] <Seveas> and read that
[05:18] <Seveas> Pegasos989, ouch
[05:18] <Seveas> that's even impossible :)
[05:18] <Pegasos989> :(
[05:18] <Seveas> some packages conflict with each other
[05:18] <Pegasos989> damn
[05:18] <incomplete> Seveas, that's probably all I need.  Thank you.
[05:18] <darkwise> cuz x-chat is just nasty looking.
[05:18] <Pegasos989> I WANT TO INSTALL STUFFFFFFFFFFffffffffffffff
[05:19] <Seveas> Pegasos989, ....
[05:19] <Pegasos989> Krhm
[05:19] <Pegasos989> Nevermind
[05:19] <simplydazed> Seveas: Can you display the status of a daemon with update-rc.d ?
[05:19] <Pegasos989> :S
[05:19] <Seveas> simplydazed, no
[05:19] <craig> Can someone help me pls i just need to sort the problem out with me drive i cant access it i have tryed a few different ways but none of them seem to work
[05:19] <selinium> What is the command line to see if something is installed?
[05:19] <Seveas> craig, what kind of drive?
[05:19] <ph8> Seveas: Still :/
[05:19] <Seveas> selinium, dpkg -l | less
[05:20] <craig> 20 gig fat32 drive
[05:20] <InquiringMind> but there is no gui utility for an iriver like gtkpod?
[05:20] <Seveas> craig: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[05:20] <selinium> Seveas: And if i was looking for a particular app?
[05:20] <craig> thanks heaps mate:)
[05:20] <Seveas> selinium, dpkg -l understands wildcards
[05:20] <selinium> Seveas: cheers
[05:20] <Seveas> dpkg -l '*apache*'
[05:21] <Seveas> that shows all apache-related stuff
[05:21] <selinium> Seveas: Thanks :)
[05:21] <jdahm> when I was reading the LAMP server wiki I was told to install php4-mysql but they dont have that pkg any longer it looks loke :(
[05:21] <jdahm> *like
[05:23] <zever> !info php4-mysql
[05:23] <ubotu> php4-mysql: (MySQL module for php4), section universe/web, is optional. Version: 4:4.3.10-10ubuntu3 (hoary), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 116 kB
[05:23] <zAo^> who can help me with imwheel?
[05:23] <izmaelis> can iconvert ntfs->fat32 with gparted?
[05:24] <jdahm> zever: but when I type in sudo install php4-mysql it says it doesnt exist
[05:24] <InquiringMind> Seveas, do you know how I can get a GUI utility to edit files in my iriver?
[05:24] <jdahm> *sudo apt-get install
[05:24] <zever> jdahm, have you enabled universe
[05:24] <jdahm> zever: nope
[05:24] <zever> !repos
[05:24] <ubotu> [repos]  at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:24] <zever> take a look there
[05:25] <sebu> how do I list unmounted devices?
[05:25] <traveller> i have problems fetching the Packages.gz for hoary universe, it says not in gzip format
[05:25] <craig> seveas thanks heaps work no problems
[05:25] <tom_> !apache
[05:25] <ubotu> hmm... apache is Apache/PHP http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PHPDevelopmentHowTo/ http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/installation-custom
[05:26] <simplydazed> Iptables not in /etc/init.d ?
[05:27] <Thee> how do I list unmounted devices?
[05:27] <majic> simplydazed: I created my own iptables rules script that I put in init.d
[05:28] <luminerd> does ubuntu come with wtf?
[05:28] <izmaelis> Thee, i think cfdisk
[05:28] <Thee> izmaelis: more precise, please. Ubuntu noob at work :)
[05:28] <simplydazed> majic: ok. Although iptables-save should save the rules and load @ boot time, ritE?
[05:29] <izmaelis> Thee, try #sudo cfdisk
[05:29] <Pegasos989> Anyways. So I can't install all packages but I do need to install some to get the universe respository or whatever? I mean...  I went thro https://wiki.ubuntu.com//AddingRepositoriesHowto and to the step where the guide says "Once the package list has been updated, packages from universe can be installed." But what now.
[05:29] <majic> dunno, I created my own script with the firewall rules I'm used to using
[05:29] <izmaelis> and you will see your partition table
[05:30] <mindmedic> Pegasos989, now you should be able to install all universe packages you need. take a look in synaptic
[05:30] <dvsoftware> anyone has experience with cedega and 64bit ubuntu?
[05:31] <|H|uokaus> hi
[05:31] <ph8> Seveas:  Still no joy, i'm a bit stumped now - my config is up at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/927 ... would you mind? ;)
[05:31] <luminerd> does ubuntu come with wtf?
[05:31] <|H|uokaus> i have a small problem.. my friend called me and asked to download nvidia drivers for ubuntu 5.04 and i have no idea where to get them :S
[05:31] <ph8> apt-get?
[05:31] <klaym> luminerd: what's wtf?
[05:32] <|H|uokaus> i have no apt-get
[05:32] <|H|uokaus> :P
[05:32] <Fitzsimmons> it is an acroynm databse klaym
[05:32] <|H|uokaus> and he has no internet
[05:32] <klaym> so WTF stands for.. ?
[05:32] <izmaelis> |H|uokaus, you can find linux nvidia drivers at nvidia's homepage
[05:32] <luminerd> WTF: {what,where,who,why} the fuck  it's a program that looks up the definition or usage of a program
[05:32] <Seveas> ph8, hang on
[05:32] <klaym> great
[05:32] <Fitzsimmons> syntax:
[05:32] <Fitzsimmons> wtf is rofl
[05:33] <Choubaka> wtf wtf works too :)
[05:33] <Fitzsimmons> yes it does
[05:33] <|H|uokaus> mm.. yes i know.. he told me that he would need some kind of precompiled(?) drivers for ubuntu :D
[05:33] <klaym> huokaus: why don't you just call your friend for advice?
[05:34] <Choubaka> Huokaus: Your nick is not very easy to write, even with Tabcomplete.
[05:34] <bigfoot1> hello all. I have a Palm OS pda. I sync with my ubuntu pc with the J-pilot program. BUt now I want to transfer my information (addresses, calendar info, to-do list, etc) to my pocketPC (HP Jornada 540 series). what must i do?
[05:34] <Choubaka> consider removing the decorations :P
[05:34] <Pegasos989> mindmedic, yeah... But I have no idea wich ones I need. If I want this to be able to play mp3 I must put some command to root terminal and that requires universe reprository. :S
[05:35] <Choubaka> Huokaus: Anyway, if you're using ubuntu's precompiled kernel  then you should be able to use aptitude or synaptic to download a precompiled driver.
[05:35] <mindmedic> Pegasos989, well, now that you have added the universe repository these commands will succeed. for example you could apt-get gstreamer0.8-mad to enable mp3 playback in rhythmbox
[05:36] <piksi> arghghgh
[05:36] <bigfoot1> does anybody here not use a pda? please help if you do. thank you.
[05:36] <piksi> i've tried EVERYTHING with this strange sata ide dvd-r drive and ubuntu WONT recognize it!!!
[05:37] <piksi> i have nec dvd-r drive which claims (in xp) to be a generic scsi device
[05:37] <piksi> can it be sata?
[05:37] <Choubaka> I have no idea.
[05:37] <Choubaka> :P
[05:37] <shane> hey guys, my xmms freezes when i try to play my mp3s and i cant play them on any other program either also when i go to a site like purevolume or launch when i try to play the mp3s there it also does not work.....i get sound when i go to "sound" and press play for a game sound but iam not sure if my sound card is installed or not.......any ideas?
[05:37] <ruumis> :P
[05:37] <ruumis> not my own nick, but anyway
[05:37] <Despeeh> are you using alsa or something else?
[05:38] <Pegasos989> mindmedic, "E: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-mad" still. Does that mean that I did some mistake while following the instruction or sumthing?
[05:38] <Choubaka> ruumis: Well, at least you're now tabcompleteable.
[05:38] <shane> piksi, i have that same dvd drive and also had that same problem
[05:38] <zAo^> how can I make IMWheel so, that clicking the scroll wheel goes back???
[05:38] <Seveas> shane: To make xmms or beep-media-player actually play things, change the audio output plugin to eSound
[05:39] <bigfoot1> does anybody here use a windows os PDA/handheld computer?
[05:39] <Despeeh> or alsa ;)
[05:39] <ruumis> Choubaka Huokaus: Anyway, if you're using ubuntu's precompiled kernel  then you should be able to use aptitude or synaptic to download a precompiled driver.
[05:39] <Despeeh> killall esd   allways :)
[05:39] <ruumis> hmm
[05:39] <piksi> shane: i have amilo pro v8010 with nec dvd and it just won't recognize it, i tried loading some sata drivers but didn't help
[05:39] <Seveas> Despeeh, ....
[05:39] <luminerd> Hey guys, I'm desperate for some help at this point.  My problem is that my PS/2 mouse doesn't work.  I am sure it's plugged in and in the right slot, and catting it won't get a response.  I tried editing my xorg.conf, but nothing works...any ideas?
[05:39] <shane> Seveas, do i do that on xmms?
[05:39] <ruumis> how does that work without internet? :P
[05:39] <Seveas> shane, yes
[05:39] <Despeeh> Seveas im not going to argue with you, because Im gonna loose :)
[05:40] <ruumis> damn
[05:40] <hmrocha> hello
[05:40] <hmrocha> i want gaim to use the spell checker of my language
[05:40] <piksi> shane: but you managed to install with that dvd drive?
[05:40] <shane> Seveas, would you happen to know why it sets everything to mute as defalt?
[05:40] <hmrocha> how can i change the locale language of ubuntu?
[05:41] <hmrocha> i still want to have all programs in english, but changing locale to my language
[05:41] <hmrocha> is it possible?
[05:41] <shane> piksi, iam sorry i have a different one by nec and it didnt regognize it
[05:41] <Seveas> shane, no idea
[05:41] <Seveas> hmrocha, sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[05:41] <shane> piksi,  all i did to fix the problrem was reinstalling windows
[05:41] <Seveas> hmrocha, and the other part (all english, but own locale) requires tweaking of /etc/environment
[05:41] <luminerd> Has anyone here ever had a problem with a mouse not working like this?
[05:41] <shane> piksi,  if you feel like going through the hasle
[05:42] <luminerd> It is very strange I think.....
[05:42] <mindmedic> Pegasos, if you have enabled universe, it should be there. maybe you didn't add it correctly.
[05:42] <Seveas> dennis@mirage ~ $ cat /etc/environment
[05:42] <Seveas> LANG=nl_NL.UTF-8
[05:42] <Seveas> LC_MESSAGES=en_US.UTF-8
[05:42] <Seveas> hmrocha, that example should help you :)
[05:42] <Pegasos989> k
[05:42] <bigfoot1> when i'm using gimp, how do i get the brushes window (the vertically long window) from closing when I move the focus on the canvas/image?
[05:42] <hmrocha> Seveas, i should do LANG=pt_PT.UTF-8 then
[05:42] <hmrocha> i'll try
[05:42] <bigfoot1> closing-->minimizing.
[05:42] <luminerd> Hey guys, I'm desperate for some help at this point.  My problem is that my PS/2 mouse doesn't work.  I am sure it's plugged in and in the right slot, and catting it won't get a response.  I tried editing my xorg.conf, but nothing works...any ideas?  Has anyone here ever had a problem with a mouse not working like this?  It is very strange I think.....
[05:43] <hmrocha> i'll see if gaim switches the spell checker to portuguese
[05:43] <ph8> find anything weird, zany, and/or easily fixable Seveas ?
[05:43] <mpmc> :)
[05:45] <neofilo> hola alguien me puede ayudar
[05:45] <Pegasos989> AH! Now I see what I did wrong. I still claim that the worst linux users can be worse than the ones that any of you do work with! I read the instructions, in wich it CLEARLY tells you to scroll down, check the checkbox and press ok. Well, I scrolled down and pressed ok. Way to go, me!
[05:45] <luminerd> Please, anyone here who can help me?
[05:46] <ph8> dataja
[05:46] <ph8> don't ask to ask just ask :)
[05:46] <ph8> Seveaz:   find anything weird, zany, and/or easily fixable Seveas ?
[05:47] <Nightcr8wl3r> greetigs
[05:47] <Nightcr8wl3r> greetings
[05:47] <zanathel> Hi
[05:47] <Nightcr8wl3r> have a problem with wnck-applet
[05:47] <Nightcr8wl3r> when I run it I now get this error
[05:48] <Nightcr8wl3r> ailed: Failed: Schema `/schemas/apps/workspace_switcher_applet/prefs/display_all_workspaces' specified for `/apps/panel/applets/applet_17/prefs/display_all_workspaces' stores a non-schema value
[05:48] <Nightcr8wl3r> Failed: Failed: Schema `/schemas/apps/workspace_switcher_applet/prefs/num_rows' specified for `/apps/panel/applets/applet_17/prefs/num_rows' stores a non-schema value
[05:48] <Seveas> grmbl
[05:48] <Nightcr8wl3r> not sure why
[05:48] <Seveas> freenode does not like me
[05:48] <Seveas> ph8, no nothing suspicious...
[05:48] <zanathel> Hi, I've made some configuration mistakes with the "gedit" startup. I've set the startarguments to open a document that doesn't exist AND the document I request to open. Is it possible to change the arguments somewhere?
[05:48] <Nightcr8wl3r> any ideas
[05:48] <bigfoot1> hello, all, i've been playing around with gTweakUi- menus and i got this result:http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot21lp.png. How do i put back that menu to where it used to be?
[05:48] <mpmc> lol
[05:48] <piksi> it is ridiculously lame that the debian install won't recognize my sata hdd and ubuntu won't recognize my nec dvd-r (scsi???)
[05:49] <bigfoot1> mpmc, what's so funny?
[05:49] <piksi> any ways around it? i loaded all kind of modules from the second console but it didn'th lepo
[05:49] <bigfoot1> 8-)
[05:49] <zanathel> so, if I for an instance opens a PHP document named "myDoc.php", the startup arguments would be: gedit ./evilDocument.php ./myDoc.php. I want to get rid of "evilDocument.php".
[05:49] <piksi> help
[05:49] <aladds_> hi
[05:49] <Nightcr8wl3r> any ideas anyone regarding a problem with wnck-applet
[05:49] <ph8> Seveas: So! Do you think it's unsupported and i should bug report it or somesuch?
[05:49] <luminerd> Hey guys, I'm desperate for some help at this point.  My problem is that my PS/2 mouse doesn't work.  I am sure it's plugged in and in the right slot, and catting it won't get a response.  I tried editing my xorg.conf, but nothing works...any ideas?  Has anyone here ever had a problem with a mouse not working like this?  It is very strange I think.....
[05:49] <Nightcr8wl3r> ailed: Failed: Schema `/schemas/apps/workspace_switcher_applet/prefs/display_all_workspaces' specified for `/apps/panel/applets/applet_17/prefs/display_all_workspaces' stores a non-schema value
[05:49] <Nightcr8wl3r> Failed: Failed: Schema `/schemas/apps/workspace_switcher_applet/prefs/num_rows' specified for `/apps/panel/applets/applet_17/prefs/num_rows' stores a non-schema value
[05:50] <aladds_> has anoyone noticed that sourceforge seems to be down?
[05:50] <Seveas> aladds_, it isn't...
[05:50] <aladds_> odd
[05:50] <Sputn1k> where is modprobe.conf file i ubuntu? O.o
[05:50] <aladds_> it seems to be for me
[05:50] <ruumis> is there any way to get precompiled(?) nvidia driver for ubuntu? without apt-get?
[05:51] <luminerd> Please?  Nobody's helping :(
[05:51] <Seveas> Sputn1k, modprobe.conf is obsolete
[05:51] <Seveas> luminerd, try the mailinglists/forums...
[05:51] <Nightcr8wl3r> anyone
[05:51] <Nightcr8wl3r> help?
[05:51] <aladds_> ok fine
[05:52] <Sputn1k> Seveas so where is modules config?
[05:52] <aladds_> it wasn't working earlier...
[05:52] <Seveas> Sputn1k, /etc/modprobe.d/* (afaik)
[05:52] <zanathel> luminerd: Try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in the root terminal
[05:52] <luminerd> zanathel, I did that :/
[05:52] <zanathel> luminerd: reconfigures everything.
[05:52] <zanathel> luminerd: ah, ok. :(
[05:52] <luminerd> thanks though :/
[05:53] <Nightcr8wl3r> can anyone help me out
[05:53] <gfsg> Ok I have a script that connects my internet (pptp from isp), where do I put it to run as root automatically on boot, or on gnome? suid doesn't work with session manager
[05:53] <Sputn1k> Seveas *=??
[05:53] <gfsg> suid doesn't seem to work with scripts at all
[05:53] <Nightcr8wl3r> has anyone seen this error before Failed: Failed: Schema `/schemas/apps/workspace_switcher_applet/prefs/display_all_workspaces' specified for `/apps/panel/applets/applet_17/prefs/display_all_workspaces' stores a non-schema value
[05:53] <Nightcr8wl3r> Failed: Failed: Schema `/schemas/apps/workspace_switcher_applet/prefs/num_rows' specified for `/apps/panel/applets/applet_17/prefs/num_rows' stores a non-schema value
[05:54] <mjr> gfsg, the quick'n'dirty way is to call it in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[05:54] <master_of_puppet> hi, why is mencoder (@ubuntu) 50% slower as on SuSE with the same hardware?
[05:54] <crashd> why is it so hard to find a decent metacity theme :\
[05:54] <Seveas> Nightcr8wl3r: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.
[05:54] <druke> how does one set a cisco wireless pc card to RFMON?
[05:54] <mjr> gfsg, the proper way would be to make it a sysv init script along the lines of the other scripts in that directory
[05:54] <Seveas> Nightcr8wl3r, and do not paste in here
[05:54] <gfsg> mjr - I like it quick and dirty, ty
[05:54] <luminerd> Seveas, it's on LQ, but I'm desperately in need of fast help!
[05:55] <kyncani> gfsg: quick and dirty, put it in /etc/init.d, add [ "$1" = "start" ]  || exit 0;  at the beginning, and use sysv-rc-conf to add it to runlevel 2
[05:55] <crashd> also, is there any way to make icons smaller, metacity takes up too much screen estate even at 1040
[05:56] <kyncani> gfsg: well, /me's just realised it's not *that* dirty
[05:56] <gfsg> kyncani - sounds even better, ty
[05:56] <gfsg> hehe
[05:57] <EnsignRedshirt> Hello, world.
[05:57] <Pegasos989> Hello, EnsignRedshirt.
[05:58] <ph8> ok
[05:58] <ph8> other questions.
[05:58] <mindmedic> Hello, EnsignRedshirt
[05:58] <EnsignRedshirt> I'm still running warty, which means I only recently got Firefox 1.0.* in a recent security update.
[05:58] <ph8> Is it possible to get rid of that annoying as hell on-login sound in Kubuntu
[05:58] <ph8> and/or change it?
[05:58] <mindmedic> ph8, look in the kde control center..
[05:58] <mpmc> lol
[05:58] <mindmedic> "system sound something"
[05:59] <luminerd> man this sucks
[05:59] <EnsignRedshirt> The search function is different in Firefox 1.0.  How do I get it to move to a word that it finds?
[05:59] <Seveas> ph8, system -> admin -> login screen setup
[05:59] <Seveas> EnsignRedshirt, F3
[06:00] <ph8> ah nice one
[06:00] <ep> I started a 3d game, had to kill it and now my resolution is all screwed up.  Do I need do kill/restart X.  How do i fix it?
[06:00] <ph8> it's sys notification -> sounds -> kde system notifications
[06:00] <renato> hi, i love ubuntu!
[06:01] <hyphenated> ep: if you're lucky, a couple of Ctrl+Alt+numpad_minuses will fix it
[06:01] <EnsignRedshirt> Seveas: F3 brings up the search field. It seems to be the same as ctrl-F.  But it does not move the page to the word.
[06:01] <Seveas> EnsignRedshirt, it should go to the word while you are typing
[06:01] <Seveas> F3 moves you to the next occurence of that word
[06:01] <druke> I am trying to edit my driver configuration(of my wireless card) however the /proc/driver/aironet/Config returns access denied when i try and save, i ran gedit as sudo though
[06:02] <Seveas> renato, we all do :)
[06:02] <master_of_puppet> hi, why is mencoder (@ubuntu) 50% slower as on SuSE with the same hardware?
[06:02] <EnsignRedshirt> Seveas: Hmmm... that is not happening.
[06:02] <resmo> hi
[06:02] <Pegasos989> 'lo
[06:02] <luminerd> fux0rs
[06:02] <ph8> if i run -> kcontrol
[06:03] <resmo> i got a strange thing here, i can only start realplayer if gnomemeeting runs, any ideas why?
[06:03] <ph8> with sudo
[06:03] <ph8> bugger all happens
[06:03] <ph8> is there an error log anywhere?
[06:03] <matt_> hey, does anyone know how to load new changes in the /etc/fstab without rebooting?
[06:03] <hyphenated> ph8: are you running it in a shell?
[06:03] <Seveas> matt_, mount -a
[06:03] <ph8> i want to try running it with sudo because whenever i try and enter administrator mode it just cocks up - goes back to the index and doesn't go into admin mode
[06:04] <Seveas> or for certain partitions: mount -o remount /dev/thedrive
[06:04] <ph8> i've had to do everything through the shell so far (re: network config)
[06:04] <ph8> i'm trying to run it from the kde menu
[06:04] <ph8> kde button -> run
[06:04] <matt_> one minute, ill look into that
[06:04] <hyphenated> ph8: ah. well, sudo is waiting for you to type your password in ;-) only it hasn't put any place there for you to type it
[06:05] <hyphenated> ph8: try kdesu or something instead instead of sudo
[06:05] <ph8> i use the 'more options' field
[06:05] <ph8> that lets me put in my password
[06:05] <selinium> What is the command line for trace route?
[06:05] <ph8> kdesu worked ;)
[06:05] <ph8> how's that work without a password then?
[06:06] <luminerd> Someone here must know my problem, and if they do, I beg for help...I am absolutely desperate as I have 20 machines which were supposed to be up and running this morning.  they are identical and if I get one working I'll have no problems getting them all to work...but this damn stubborn mouse just won't work.  PLEASE I beg for help!
[06:06] <hyphenated> you probably used it for something else earlier, like those failed attempts to get into administrator mode
[06:06] <hyphenated> if it were a fresh login, or you wait for the 'last use' timer to expire, it'll prompt for the password
[06:06] <ph8> ah
[06:06] <Seveas> luminerd, stop repeating and try the mailinglist/forums. it is clear that no-one in here can help you...
[06:07] <JoshRA> hello. I am trying to get a higer res then 1024x768 but that is all ubuntu is saying is there but i know fora fact uit can go higher. How can i fix this
[06:07] <luminerd> Seveas, I have posted it on the forums.  I am waiting for a response.
[06:08] <luminerd> Seveas, and the only time I repeated was when you requested me to do so.  All other times I have rephrased.
[06:08] <luminerd> Is there professional support for Ubuntu that I can pay for?
[06:10] <icewt> luminerd, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/supportoptions/paidsupport
[06:10] <eurux> hi all...
[06:10] <luminerd> thank you icewt!
[06:10] <eurux> I've a problem during the install of ubuntu on usb disk.
[06:10] <eurux> may someone help me?
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[06:10] <EnsignRedshirt> Seveas (or anyone else):  I looked for settings that might affect the search function under Preferences. The only one that seemed relevant was "Begin finding as you begin typing" under Advanced/Accessibility, but it didn't help.
[06:11] <Despeeh> JoshRA:  set xorg to show you that mode
[06:11] <selinium> luminerd: good luck
[06:11] <luminerd> icewt, is there phone support I can pay for?
[06:12] <matt_> Seveas, that worked great.  thanks
[06:12] <luminerd> Other than a $250 package when I have no need for anything but a phone conversation with someone who knows what they are talking about?  I'll do it if I have to.
[06:12] <icewt> luminerd, don't know
[06:12] <Despeeh> eurux: do you have some little usb stick only . or big harddrive?
[06:13] <eurux> big one.
[06:13] <luminerd> ok thanks
[06:13] <eurux> i've modified mkinitrd.conf for usb support
[06:13] <EnsignRedshirt> luminerd: Do try the mailing list, too. You might hit a different set of virtual "ears".
[06:13] <icewt> luminerd, you could try some other channels too though, for example #ubuntu @ ircnet or something
[06:13] <eurux> but during mkinitrd it fails.
[06:13] <Despeeh> hmm
[06:13] <selinium> luminerd: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/supportoptions/marketplace/
[06:13] <osfameron> the marketplace has lots of company names - maybe one of those wil bill for a phone-call support?
[06:14] <luminerd> thanks selinium and osfameron
[06:14] <Echelon-H> is there a firewall on ubuntu?
[06:14] <Echelon-H> I need to open port 1999 and I dont know how to do it.
[06:16] <selinium> Echelon-H sudo apt-get install firestarter
[06:16] <sky__> hi@all
[06:16] <wdh> hi ppls.. does anyone know how i could burn a *.bin image to a cd without having the *.cue available?
[06:16] <Choubaka> Echelon-H: If you don't have a firewall, then the port is open .P
[06:17] <sky__> hmm someone has tipps to make ubuntu (better said gnome) faster with only 366mhz/256MB RAM ?
[06:17] <selinium> Echelon-H:; are you using a router? It may have a hardware firewall in it
[06:17] <Echelon-H> Choubaka, but i opened a port and im behind a router. i've enabled dmz but still it doesn't work.
[06:17] <Echelon-H> selinium, i canceled the DMZ for this adress.
[06:18] <Choubaka> Echelon-H: I doubt ubuntu can help that.
[06:18] <Choubaka> configure your router properly.
[06:19] <selinium> Echelon-H: configure the router to pass the port onto the pc want to recieve it.
[06:19] <gregg_> wdh: there's a chance if it is single-track and you know its format
[06:19] <gregg_> wdh: most "raw" images have mode2/2352
[06:19] <acid2> Hey ho, what repo holds libfaad?
[06:20] <wdh> gregg_, and how would i find that out?
[06:21] <warty> Can anybody explain the difference between the ubuntu installer and the Debian sarge installer?
[06:21] <gregg_> wdh: try this script: http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/1314
[06:22] <gregg_> call it with "script infile.bin outfile.iso", ^C after a few seconds and look at what file reports about outfile.iso
[06:22] <EnsignRedshirt> Anyone know how to get Firefox search to move to the location in a page where it finds a word?
[06:22] <Belutz> help... my virtual desktop is gone.... how do i restore it ??
[06:23] <EnsignRedshirt> Currently I have to enable highlighting, and then manually scroll the page and look for the yellow highlights.
[06:23] <mindmedic> Belutz, right click on a free space in the panel --> add --> desktop switcher
[06:23] <gregg_> wdh: if file tells you it's iso-9660, it's doing ok
[06:24] <Belutz> mindmedic: yes... already... but in desktop switcher there is only one desktop
[06:24] <hmrocha> can i safely upgrade some packages to the breezy version without upgrading X ?
[06:24] <mindmedic> belutz, tried right clicking on the applet?
[06:24] <acid2> someone mind posting there sources.list ?
[06:24] <mindmedic> preferences
[06:24] <hmrocha> i mean, upgrading libgtk for example
[06:24] <starseed> does ubuntu have a lot of user contributed repos .. last time I used it about 6 months ago I found the set of packages available pretty lacking compariably
[06:25] <wdh> gregg_, well.. it is :)
[06:25] <wdh> gregg_, so i should just wait that out and burn the iso?
[06:25] <dvsoftware> me again
[06:25] <dvsoftware> i have another problem
[06:25] <mindmedic> starseed, universe multiverse & backports got everything i need..
[06:25] <gregg_> wdh: yeah, just restart the script and let it convert the whole file and burn it after that
[06:25] <dvsoftware> nvidia again
[06:25] <wdh> gregg_, thx a lot :)
[06:25] <dvsoftware> i've installed 64bit drivers and they work fine
[06:26] <dvsoftware> but 32bit compatibility doesn't work
[06:26] <wdh> gregg_, this is way better then some binary windows executable doing it :) at least i can see what its doing now basicly :)
[06:26] <Echelon-H> is there anything like "net send" in linux?
[06:26] <dvsoftware> i've tried to fix that issue
[06:26] <dvsoftware> but...
[06:26] <gregg_> wdh: hehe
[06:26] <dvsoftware> it works partially
[06:26] <Belutz> hmmm ok
[06:26] <eurux> Echelon-H: you can start nmap <ip-router> and see ...
[06:27] <Belutz> trying hat
[06:27] <gregg_> Echelon-H: smbclient -M AFAIK
[06:28] <Spudchat> omg everyones fingers must have fallen off
[06:28] <gregg_> Echelon-H: but maybe it's not the same...
[06:28] <godzirra> Anyone know how to get nethack to let you use the arrow keys to move? :)
[06:28] <gregg_> smbclient -M uses winpopup
[06:28] <gregg_> godzirra: gee, that's not geeky enough
[06:29] <selinium> Why does my pc keep requesting the install disc when installing new apps?
[06:29] <Choubaka> eh
[06:29] <Hoxzer> how much ubuntu takes HDD space?
[06:29] <Choubaka> no-one plays roguelikes with the arrow keys. you need to use the numpad ;P
[06:29] <icewt> selinium, remove the first line in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:29] <sky__> @Hoxzer: approx 2GB with me
[06:29] <selinium> icetw: cheers
[06:29] <godzirra> gregg_: I'm lazy and I have a laptop.  If I had a numberpad I'd use the number pad.
[06:30] <Hoxzer> Sky: :O oh its pretty much anyway
[06:30] <Hoxzer> I thought something like 1GB
[06:30] <coolkev> how do i turn off any unnessary system logs... also does the ubuntu system log the Login attempts at stat up and the user and password entered?
[06:30] <Choubaka> Well, considering the number of apps ubuntu comes with it's not much
[06:30] <gregg_> Hoxzer: 3.5GB with *lots* of stuff installed
[06:31] <icewt> selinium, ...or comment it out. the one pointing to cdrom
[06:31] <selinium> icewt: works a treat!
[06:31] <Choubaka> gregg_: whoa. lots indeed. :P
[06:31] <Hoxzer> yeah, my laptop has only 10GB HDD
[06:31] <selinium> icewt: cheers!
[06:31] <gregg_> about 1200 packages
[06:31] <Belutz> mindmedic: it worksss... thx :)
[06:31] <coolkev> My question is directly Ubuntu related
[06:31] <godzirra> gregg_: no idea?
[06:31] <Hoxzer> It may have one extra HDD but I did't have mount it
[06:31] <Hoxzer> how I can see if there is one?
[06:31] <JoshRA> Despeeh: and how do i do that
[06:31] <coolkev> So is it possible to get help asap
[06:31] <esac> i am missing smbmount, any idea how to get it ?
[06:32] <gregg_> godzirra: no idea :)
[06:32] <melio> coolkev, dont' ask to ask, just ask
[06:32] <coolkev> how do i turn off any unnessary system logs... also does the ubuntu system log the Login attempts at stat up and the user and password entered?
[06:32] <dvsoftware> Hoxzer, fdisk, cfdisk
[06:32] <eurux> well on extra hd I've a problem....
[06:32] <eurux> i'm not able to start second stage installl
[06:32] <zAo^> Can some1 help me with a 3-button mouse and Imwheel?
[06:32] <eurux> after the first reboot on usb disk, kernel panic.
[06:32] <melio> coolkev if you know specificly which log you are trying to turn off, find out what generates it. and change the command in the file that loads it at boot
[06:33] <melio> usualy in linux, each runlevel has a command file
[06:33] <esac> or i guess more specifically, what do i apt-get install in order to get smbmount ?
[06:33] <melio> like modprobe.conf boots first
[06:33] <Hoxzer> Dv: when I do cfdisk it says something like "serious error: can't open driver"
[06:33] <coolkev> i'm talking about default logs that Ubuntu automatially has running.. without any additional software
[06:33] <melio> then each runlevel's loader
[06:33] <Hoxzer> "press anykey to exit from cfdisk
[06:33] <raDeon> how do i put gcc in my path
[06:33] <Hoxzer> I think its becouse my firs HDD is too full
[06:34] <dvsoftware> Hoxzer, that means that something is screwed up
[06:34] <gregg_> Hoxzer: fdisk -l /dev/yourdisk (e.g. /dev/hda)
[06:34] <melio> coolkev I'v only loaded ubuntu last night
[06:34] <starseed> is there a base install iso , with ability to download packages from the internet ?
[06:34] <melio> so if I figure out the userland of this before too long I can probably help you
[06:34] <zAo^> esac, did you even try to find it out? took me 1 sec...
[06:34] <melio> keep asking. someone will know. try forums also
[06:35] <raDeon> how do i put gcc in my path
[06:35] <esac> zAo^: i didnt know about the apt-cache search command until just now, but i found it with that command too, thanks for your wonderful help (dripping sarcasm)
[06:35] <dvsoftware> raDeon, you need to install gcc
[06:36] <dvsoftware> apt-get install build-essential
[06:36] <raDeon> thanks
[06:36] <dvsoftware> np
[06:36] <zAo^> esac, you asked the same thing 2 times in 1 min. In Synaptic (see every tutorial) you can find things
[06:37] <esac> zAo^: a. i didnt ask the same thing 2 times, i was trying to clarify what i was asking, b. you are wrong to assume that all people actually use the gui
[06:37] <t0mmy> i'm curious, why exactly do virtual terminals not work on debian/ubuntu?
[06:37] <t0mmy> they seem like they'd be a handy thing to have
[06:38] <zAo^> esac, I presume, when you only use console, that you might know of apt-cache
[06:38] <gregg_> t0mmy: the do work, or I don't know what you mean with virtual terminal :)
[06:38] <gregg_> theys
[06:38] <melio> anyone know the gmail settings for pop in evolution
[06:38] <gregg_> they, damnit :)
[06:38] <melio> I tried pop.gmail.com and it's not connecting
[06:38] <esac> zAo^: well i obviously didn't thats why i was asking :)
[06:38] <melio> smtp is correct. it does that first
[06:38] <melio> hey f_newton
[06:39] <t0mmy> you know, ALT+F* and such
[06:39] <t0mmy> like on fedora/red hat
[06:39] <f_newton> hey melio whats up?
[06:39] <zAo^> esac, k. Sorry for my reaction m8, I only see a lot of people asking things that are in the Guide.
[06:39] <melio> just tweaking, setting up apps
[06:39] <SwitchUp> Hi, my first time using ubuntu. Is there an easy way to watch dvd and xvid movies?
[06:39] <zAo^> SwissPhoenix, www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:39] <melio> switchup xine and mplayer
[06:40] <baua_Dr_GonZo> hi men
[06:40] <f_newton> yeah I did that most of yesterday
[06:40] <baua_Dr_GonZo> I have a question
[06:40] <raDeon> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[06:40] <raDeon> how do i fix this
[06:40] <eurux> well i tryed the guide for boot with ubuntu from my usb disk, but it fails during mkinitrd
[06:40] <f_newton> how do you like it so far?   other then the mdk style fonts I mean?
[06:40] <gregg_> t0mmy: well, they do work in ubuntu
[06:40] <baua_Dr_GonZo> I have a local network with some computers on ubuntu but without internet access
[06:41] <gregg_> maybe your /etc/inittab is screwed up?
[06:41] <melio> f_newton,  honestly. I think it's disorganized
[06:41] <baua_Dr_GonZo> I would like forward the update from a server to my local network
[06:41] <f_newton> how so?
[06:41] <eurux> no It' ok...
[06:41] <luminerd> why the **** doesn't emacs come with ubuntu? lol
[06:41] <melio> f_newton,  a new user wouldnt know how to setup repos just like in fedora
[06:41] <f_newton> the menu is not laid out like rh thats true... its more like stock gnome
[06:41] <t0mmy> alt+F* virtual terminals don't work
[06:41] <baua_Dr_GonZo> Is it possible ??
[06:41] <t0mmy> ew emacs :D
[06:41] <melio> f_newton, yeah I guess I agree
[06:41] <t0mmy> shield*
[06:41] <melio> f_newton,  the issue with bad resolutions at startup could foil a lot of installs tho
[06:42] <t0mmy> i'd probably like emacs if i learned the key combos
[06:42] <melio> f_newton,  I have a 19 inch crt monitor and a geforce 6800, I should have no problems with xorg.conf defualt
[06:42] <t0mmy> but i just use gedit :D
[06:42] <melio> but alas. I had to remove the high resolution out of it to get it to work
[06:42] <eurux> baua_Dr_GonZo: something like SystemImager ?
[06:42] <melio> let alone having to touch VI
[06:42] <melio> that pissed me off
[06:42] <melio> vi is my least favorite app on the planet
[06:42] <luminerd> how do I get emacs?
[06:42] <t0mmy> ...
[06:42] <t0mmy> >_<
[06:42] <t0mmy> sudo apt-get install emacs
[06:42] <f_newton> melio... there really does need some attention to installation menu and information, but as far as setting up repos if you read the beginners guide all is easily explained
[06:42] <t0mmy> probably
[06:42] <luminerd> thanks t0mmy
[06:43] <t0mmy> vim is cool
[06:43] <Hoxzer> how can I see how much I have free space?
[06:43] <t0mmy> emacs is like 483175926 key combonations
[06:43] <t0mmy> vim it's just like all you need is
[06:43] <t0mmy> :q
[06:43] <gregg_> t0mmy: when you are in X, you need to press ctrl-alt-f* to get out of it
[06:43] <baua_Dr_GonZo> eurux, I don't know this app,
[06:43] <t0mmy> :wq
[06:43] <t0mmy> :q!
[06:43] <icewt> Hoxzer, df -h
[06:43] <baua_Dr_GonZo> I gonna look at it
[06:43] <melio> f_newton,  I will tonight. I'm just eating and getting ready for work
[06:43] <f_newton> melio, my concern is with the inner workings, the way the kernel works with  the apps I use etc
[06:43] <baua_Dr_GonZo> yhx eurux
[06:43] <baua_Dr_GonZo> thx eurux
[06:43] <melio> f_newton,  I can't tell you my experiance with that. things seem to run fairly smooth so far tho
[06:43] <eurux> np
[06:44] <t0mmy> wow
[06:44] <t0mmy> it does work
[06:44] <t0mmy> that's hot
[06:44] <f_newton> yes I've been very happy with the way it works
[06:44] <melio> Gimp loads 200% faster :P
[06:44] <t0mmy> i never knew that worked in ubuntu
[06:44] <t0mmy> thanks
[06:44] <f_newton> lol not just gimp
[06:44] <melio> I do belive that's because of reisefs tho
[06:44] <melio> yeah lots of things are faster
[06:44] <Hoxzer> freespace 700MB :D
[06:44] <melio> this is very good performance
[06:44] <Hoxzer> aargh
[06:44] <Hoxzer> DVD is taking too much space
[06:45] <luminerd> f*ck!!!
[06:45] <luminerd> package emacs is not available!
[06:45] <dvsoftware> argh
[06:45] <djp> luminerd: emacs21 is what you need
[06:45] <dvsoftware> i  can't get cedega to work correctly
[06:45] <melio> Ooo the trash can is in the corner
[06:45] <melio> nice!
[06:45] <redtech> melio: you got the pop working?
[06:45] <dvsoftware> on amd64
[06:45] <melio> redtech no
[06:46] <luminerd> djp, thanks!
[06:46] <melio> redtech I used pop.gmail.com with secure Always
[06:46] <redtech> enabled ssl for pop.gmail.com ?
[06:46] <melio> that usualy works
[06:46] <redtech> yeah,..  hmm
[06:46] <melio> yeah
[06:46] <dvsoftware> how much data i need to download in order to set up 32bit chroot?
[06:46] <melio> lemme try it again .. I closed evo just now
[06:46] <dvsoftware> i have slow connection (4kb/s)
[06:47] <acid2> could someone tell me which repo contains libfaad2 and libfaad2-devel?
[06:47] <dvsoftware> ?
[06:47] <dvsoftware> anyone
[06:47] <raDeon> checking for libz... configure: error: not found.
[06:47] <raDeon>           Possibly configure picks up an outdated version
[06:47] <raDeon>           installed by XFree86. Remove it from your system.
[06:47] <raDeon>           Check your installation and look into config.log
[06:47] <acid2> dvsoftware: patience...
[06:47] <raDeon> how do i fix
[06:47] <melio> there we go
[06:47] <melio> for some reason it wasnt working
[06:47] <melio> now it is
[06:47] <bolivar> i searched "picture" in the package manager hoping to find something to print more than one picture on 1 peice of photo paper.  like my hp software did on windows.  anything like that available?  thanks
[06:48] <acid2> melio: you got gmail working in evolution?
[06:48] <icewt> acid2, http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=libfaad2&searchon=names&subword=1&version=hoary&release=all
[06:48] <f_newton> gmail is being screwy today folks
[06:48] <dvsoftware> acid2, i did
[06:48] <f_newton> its a server side problem
[06:48] <f_newton> I have gmail working in both evo and  thunderbird myself
[06:49] <dvsoftware> i'm using kmail personally
[06:49] <f_newton> acid2, are you having problems with gmail?
[06:49] <f_newton> gmail is not a pop3 reader
[06:49] <dArtagnan> where is superkaramba installed by default? I can't find it
[06:49] <Echelon-H> is there a command to see all my open ports?
[06:49] <melio> acid2 yes
[06:50] <melio> f_newton gmail does too have pop3
[06:50] <acid2> f_newton: ermm no.. Just last time I tried with evo, gmail didnt work
[06:50] <luminerd> WTF?!!?!?! You can't go to terminals in Ubuntu?!
[06:50] <acid2> and gmail does support pop
[06:50] <acid2> luminerd: WTF?!?! YES YOU CAN?!??! WT?F?!?!
[06:50] <dArtagnan> oh course you can luminerd
[06:50] <dArtagnan> of
[06:50] <melio> lol
[06:50] <f_newton> its not a reader its a server service
[06:50] <dArtagnan> looooook
[06:51] <dArtagnan> and you do that with your eyes ;)
[06:51] <melio> f_newton oh I thought you were stating it's not pop3 compliant
[06:51] <f_newton> Ive been using gmail with evo since gmail came out
[06:51] <melio> which it is
[06:51] <eurux> boot from a usb disk:
[06:51] <eurux> pivot_root: No such file or directory
[06:51] <eurux> /sbin/init: 428: cannot open /dev/console: no such file
[06:51] <eurux> kernel_panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!
 elevator: using anticipatory as default io scheduler
[06:51] <melio> yeah. it's kinda laggy tho
[06:51] <f_newton> yes melio
[06:51] <melio> I doubt it's ubuntu tho. it's probably just the internet
[06:51] <Chris> test
[06:51] <f_newton> right now gmail is going thru some... pains
[06:51] <melio> heh
[06:52] <melio> yeah all the microsoft employees that can't work there
[06:52] <melio> lol
[06:52] <melio> DENIED!
[06:52] <melio> you can't even quit microsoft to work for google. how crappy
[06:52] <f_newton> how is that?
[06:52] <melio> you didnt read the news?
[06:52] <f_newton> they wont hire ms ex employees?
[06:52] <f_newton> no
[06:52] <f_newton> I dont read the news lol
[06:52] <f_newton> oh thats not true
[06:52] <melio> MS won a settlement in court that denys employees of microsoft the RIGHT to work at google when they quit
[06:52] <f_newton> I read the news all the time
[06:53] <melio> they even sued a guy for trying to work there
[06:53] <incomplete> luminerd, if with "terminals" you mean gettys it's indeed possible via C-M-F1 C-M-F2 C-M-Fn (if you're not used to Emacs style key binding notation C stand for CTRL and M for meta (ALT))
[06:53] <melio> and won!
[06:53] <f_newton> melio that is a proprietary property law and can only last up to two years
[06:53] <acid2> hmmm, gmail works in evo now
[06:53] <acid2> must've been a bad day when I tried
[06:53] <acid2> :P
[06:53] <f_newton> that is the same almost everywhere
[06:53] <Dr_Fate> is there anyway for nautilus to remember its size and column sizes?
[06:53] <f_newton> acid2  wow really?
[06:53] <melio> f_newton, yeah but google doesnt develop OS's
[06:53] <melio> or ms office
[06:53] <melio> or anything except a search engine and some mail stuff and browser hooks
[06:53] <skalpel> how can i add a delay to programs that startup with gnome?
[06:53] <Dr_Fate> why would'nt this be a natural feature?
[06:54] <melio> I say microsoft is playing unfair
[06:54] <f_newton> dr fate not in a stock gnome but in a customized gnome yes
[06:54] <Dr_Fate> f_newton, expound
[06:54] <melio> going to work. later
[06:55] <f_newton> gnome is made for a wide variety of os applications and is very generic... it is highly developed and tailored for the rh environment... as far as others well that will take time
[06:55] <f_newton> rh has spent 10 yrs customizing it
[06:55] <windex> melio, that's not what happened. i used to live in washington, and employment contracts are very standard practice in IT. the guy lived in washington at the time the agreement was made, and signed it signifying that he would NOT take a competitive job for up to 1 year after _willfully leaving_ microsoft. had they fired him, diffrent story.
[06:55] <skalpel> can someone tell me how to add a delay to programs that startup with gnome?
[06:55] <srodal> what is the GLCore module and why is it off by default?
[06:55] <f_newton> skalpel sure get a 486
[06:55] <skalpel> ha
[06:55] <luminerd> goddammit
[06:55] <skalpel> i had a 386
[06:55] <Dr_Fate> f_newton, basically, how can I customize my Nautilus to do so
[06:55] <luminerd> my mouse works on EVERY DISTRO BESIDES UBUNTU!!!! :(
[06:55] <f_newton> luminerd, no need to be offensive
[06:55] <skalpel> it is gone now forever
[06:56] <windex> skalpel, wuss. i had a 8086. it was made by Olivetti!
[06:56] <Sammi_> Is there a source for printer drivers which will run on Linux?
[06:56] <skalpel> i had an 8086 too. wuss. it was a blue chip.
[06:56] <f_newton> Dr_Fate, learn to write some scripts
[06:56] <Echelon-H> is there a way to map all my open ports?
[06:56] <skalpel> whatever that is.
[06:56] <f_newton> luminerd, that is very strange
[06:57] <wims> how do i mount my ntfs partition so that all users can access it
[06:57] <f_newton> and you are talking a standard ps2 mouse arent you?
[06:57] <acid2> wims: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[06:57] <simplydazed> wims: add the users to a group, then add that GID to the mount in fstab
[06:58] <Sammi_> I need to hook up my computer to a hp LaserJet 6L and all the drivers on the hp site are for Windows, pretty much.
[06:58] <luminerd> :(
[06:58] <wims> thanks
[06:58] <luminerd> brb
[06:58] <f_newton> Sammi_, use the drivers built into ubuntu
[06:58] <linuxx> hello all
[06:58] <dvsoftware> Sammi_, set up cups
[06:59] <f_newton> the 6L is a pretty standard driver
[06:59] <linuxx> anybody know how we can open the consol in ubuntu plz ?
[06:59] <skalpel> can someone tell me how to add a delay to programs that startup with gnome?
[06:59] <Despeeh> terminal
[06:59] <f_newton> right click on the desktop choose terminal
[06:59] <Hoxzer> how I can shutdown freezed screen window?
[06:59] <f_newton> or use the dropdown menu
[06:59] <Hoxzer> *can I
[06:59] <f_newton> what is it y'all kill -9?
[06:59] <linuxx> ok thanks
[06:59] <dvsoftware> skalpel, you're annoying
[06:59] <linuxx> bye
[07:00] <Despeeh> its kill for sure
[07:00] <Despeeh> the process
[07:00] <Hoxzer> I dont wanna kill whole screen
[07:00] <Hoxzer> only one window
[07:00] <dvsoftware> oh sh!t
[07:01] <skalpel> dvsoftware: sorry. i am being patient.
[07:01] <dvsoftware> how much mb's i need to download
[07:01] <dvsoftware> to setup chroot
[07:01] <dvsoftware> ?
[07:01] <Sammi_> dvsoftware: How do I go about doing this setting up of cups?
[07:01] <rob_p> skalpel:  What are you trying to accomplish?  You can assign priority to the various services that start upon boot if that's what you're after...
[07:01] <dvsoftware> Sammi_, i can't really help you cuz i don't have a printer
[07:02] <skalpel> rob_p: well it is xchat i am trying to get to wait until my background loads because it will not do transparency otherwise and i get a black background in xchat and an error message
[07:02] <skalpel> rob_p: how do i assign prioroity?
[07:02] <dvsoftware> skalpel, somebody already answered to your question
[07:02] <dvsoftware> learn to write some scripts
[07:02] <rob_p> skalpel:  man update-rc.d
[07:03] <skalpel> rob_p: thank you
[07:03] <dvsoftware> hm
[07:03] <dvsoftware> simply don't put xchat in startup
[07:03] <dvsoftware> and start it manualy
[07:04] <skalpel> but that is not what i want. linux is about doing what the user wants right? this is how i learn to use linux, by trial and error and asking questions in the support channel =)
[07:05] <skalpel> rob_p: i am not familiar with scripting, how would i use that?
[07:05] <gregg_> sh -c 'sleep 10; xchat'
[07:05] <gregg_> skalpel: ugly hack :)
[07:05] <skalpel> could i add that to my gnome session as a startup command?
[07:06] <gregg_> yeah
[07:06] <skalpel> or do i need to add that to update-rc.d
[07:06] <skalpel> ?
[07:06] <bluefoxicy> bluefox@icebox:~/.openoffice$ cat /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:06] <bluefoxicy> # menu.lst - See: grub(8), info grub, update-grub(8)
[07:06] <bluefoxicy> uhhhhhhh
[07:06] <bluefoxicy> bluefox@icebox:~/.openoffice$ sudo chmod o-r /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:06] <gregg_> gnu info is 3v1l
[07:07] <rob_p> skalpel:  It's actually pretty easy but far too much to discuss here in chat...  My suggestion is to learn a little bit about scripting, write a few scripts, and build on that.  There are many howtos and examples on the 'Net.  Bash shell scripting is very powerful and fairly easy to learn.
[07:07] <bluefoxicy> bluefox@icebox:~/.openoffice$ cat /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:07] <bluefoxicy> cat: /boot/grub/menu.lst: Permission denied
[07:07] <bluefoxicy> there we go.
[07:07] <kemik> skalpel:  you wanna start xchat when X starts?
[07:08] <skalpel> kemik: yes, but only after the background loads on my desktop
[07:08] <skalpel> rob_p: i will probably do that, thank you
[07:08] <kemik> skalpel:  just have the xchat window up when you logoff and mark the box "save desktop"
[07:08] <kemik> skalpel:  hmm.. k
[07:09] <skalpel> kemik: any ideas?
[07:10] <kemik> skalpel:  just what i said, save current desktop
[07:10] <mbirkis> hi all... i was wondering what wm i could use?? i wan't a _really_ lightweight one...
[07:10] <kemik> mbirkis:  icewm
[07:11] <kemik> mbirkis:  or maybe xfce4, but its a bit heavier
[07:11] <mbirkis> kemik, icewm... thnx alot, will check it out
[07:11] <skalpel> kemik: i have done that, but xchat still gets an error when trying to startup with transparency, it tells me my window manager canot handle it and i have to turn it on manually, which is annoying
[07:11] <f_newton> lordy gmail is messed up today
[07:11] <kemik> skalpel:  oh. well i dont use transparency... :)
[07:13] <Sammi_> dvsoftware: I looked in the Ubuntu wiki for CUPS and all it showed me was stuff about cups-pdf. Could you direct me to somewhere with more information?
[07:13] <bigfoot1> i want to sync my Palm OS pda to my ubuntu computer in such a way that the information can then be synced from ubuntu pc to another pda of mine, a Pocket PC. What do you guys recommend?
[07:14] <tim> I get a sound delay when playing DVD's in totem, any ideas?
[07:15] <bigfoot1> i've tried to sync my palm os pda (Visor Pro) to evolution. it seems only my address/contacts are syncing. Even after 10 minutes, my PalmOS pda says that it is synchronizing the Date book.
[07:15] <kemik> tim:  try videola
[07:15] <kemik> tim:  try videolan
[07:15] <Chinstrap> bigfoot1,
[07:15] <Goodspeed_> why does every single media player say my soundcard is in use?
[07:15] <bigfoot1> Chinstrap, yes?
[07:16] <bigfoot1> i'm all ears, Chinstrap
[07:16] <Chinstrap> bigfoot1, possibly one of the other plugins is crashing.  Try disabling all of the sync plugins, then enabling and syncing with them one at a time
[07:16] <kemik> Goodspeed_:  perhaps the soundserver is funky, or your card isin use by the browser or something ?
[07:16] <tim> kemik, is it available in universe?
[07:17] <bigfoot1> Chinstrap, okay. but even with the address plugin: it works. but the categories are not preserved. is this to be taken as normal?
[07:17] <kemik> tim: no, you need to add the videolan repository
[07:17] <tim> alright thx
[07:17] <Chinstrap> bigfoot1, my categories are preserved, but I don't have any custom ones, so that might be it
[07:17] <dArtagnan> Any idea where superkaramba installs to? I can't find the executable file
[07:18] <bigfoot1> Chinstrap, i don't understand. right now, i'm talking about syncing a palm os pda with evolution.
[07:18] <kemik> tim: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/928 <-- those
[07:18] <dvsoftware> how to install 32bit compatibility on nvidia 64bit driver?
[07:18] <Chinstrap> bigfoot1, right, but that uses the generic gnome sync options, so go into the gnome pda prefs and disable all of the conduits, then enable and sync with them one at a time
[07:18] <tim> kemik, is it safe to use sarge repos on ubuntu?
[07:19] <kemik> tim:  those are only for videolan
[07:19] <tim> alright cool
[07:19] <bigfoot1> Chinstrap, and where do i go to access these snyc options? in evolution?
[07:20] <Chinstrap> bigfoot1, are you running gnome?
[07:20] <bigfoot1> Chinstrap, yes.
[07:20] <Chinstrap> System menu->Preferences->Palm OS Devices
[07:20] <selinium> Bye all, thanks to all those that have helped today!
[07:20] <dr_willis> hmm. anyone been haveing some 'issues' with vncserver and the tightvncserver under the 64bit  disrto?
[07:21] <dr_willis> they dont seem to want to startup the x server,
[07:22] <dvsoftware> dr_willis, i'm having another issue
[07:22] <dvsoftware> maybe you know how to fix that
[07:22] <bigfoot1> Chinstrap, for some reason, Palm OS devices won't open up.
[07:22] <tim> kemik, syanptic gives me these erros when I add those repos
[07:22] <tim> http://pastebin.ca/19205
[07:22] <dvsoftware> since i see that you re running 64bit
[07:22] <bigfoot1> Chinstrap, oh, now it does.
[07:23] <dvsoftware> you are using nvidia?
[07:23] <dr_willis> dvsoftware,  nope - this laptop is an ati x200
[07:23] <dr_willis> and thats not supported either :P lol
[07:23] <dvsoftware> :(
[07:23] <deprave_> whuchu talkin about willis
[07:24] <dr_willis> but ive been having a lot of OTHER little issues with 64bit and other programs
[07:24] <amonkey> i ran the updater and firefox1.06 tried to update and failed with E: /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-firefox_1.0.6-0ubuntu0.1_i386.deb:  trying to overwrite `/var/lib/mozilla-firefox/extensions.d/00classic', which is also in package firefox and now firefox won't start
[07:24] <dvsoftware> i'm having problems with 32bit compatibility in nvidia driver
[07:24] <kemik> tim:  i can access that paste :( but try "sudo apt-get update" and then "sudo apt-get install vlc"
[07:24] <dvsoftware> i can't run any 3d game in cedega
[07:24] <dr_willis> like the smb4k program - it says first it needs the smbmnt setuid.. so i set it.. then it rants about somthing else that is not supposed to be suid.
[07:24] <dr_willis> dvsoftware,  cedega is one reason i have the 32 bit disrto on my main machine. :P
[07:25] <skalpel> how can i pass a shell script to ubuntu as a command?
[07:25] <master_of_puppet> hi, why is mencoder on gentoo 4x faster than on ubuntu? (build from source)
[07:25] <dvsoftware> dr_willis, i will setup chroot now
[07:25] <dvsoftware> i hope it will work better
[07:25] <Funraiser> Is there an app to check CPU temp and fan speed?
[07:25] <dr_willis> dvsoftware,  i read that atuff and decided to not mess with it lol
[07:25] <dr_willis> Funraiser,  'lm_sensors' can
[07:25] <Funraiser> is it a gdesklet ?
[07:25] <dr_willis> skalpel,  rephrase that perhaps..
[07:25] <dvsoftware> master_of_puppet, build mencoder from source on ubuntu too
[07:26] <dr_willis> Funraiser,  no. :P its the core sensor package.
[07:26] <dvsoftware> Funraiser, yes, lmsensors
[07:26] <master_of_puppet> dvsoftware: I did that!!!! but it didn't help!
[07:26] <skalpel> dr_willis: well in my gnome sessions menu it gives me the option to execute a command on startup, how can i execute a shell scipt there?
[07:26] <drcode> hi all
[07:26] <skalpel> hi drcode.
[07:27] <dvsoftware> master_of_puppet, did you installed optimized kernel for your cpu?
[07:27] <drcode> I try to use vgetty to recive voice / fax
[07:27] <drcode> when I try to use voice it work , but not recive fax any idea?
[07:27] <master_of_puppet> dvsoftware:  I build the kernel also my selfe.
[07:28] <Echelon-H> can anyone please help me configure a pppoe modem? I am under router now and I need something i can look into OFFLINE
[07:28] <dvsoftware> master_of_puppet, hmmmz
[07:28] <zAo^> how can I get Totem in my Empiphany in stead of Mplayer (Breezy)? Thanks
[07:28] <skalpel> how do i end a vi session?
[07:28] <Funraiser> my CPU fan is at 6000 + even at startup, is this normal?
[07:28] <Chinstrap> skalpel, end and save or end and just quit?
[07:28] <zAo^> skalpel, press ESC, :wq
[07:28] <skalpel> just quit
[07:28] <skalpel> k
[07:29] <zAo^> skalpel, no
[07:29] <equex> anyone tried the deFx plugin for XMMS ? mine crashes (and starts playing 2x speed) when i skip to a new song..then the plugin needs to be reinstalled again.
[07:29] <Chinstrap> skalpel, :wq will save, :q! will just quit
[07:29] <zAo^> skalpel, thats write-quit :#
[07:29] <skalpel> ok
[07:29] <zAo^> ;)
[07:29] <Chinstrap> skalpel, shift-ZZ will also write and quit
[07:29] <D1> does anyone know the status of NetworkManager in breezy?
[07:30] <Sammi_> dvsoftware: Do you have any idea where I might find information about CUPS?
[07:30] <Chinstrap> Sammi_, http://localhost:631 (assuming cups is running)
[07:30] <bigfoot1> Chinstrap, i have disable everything except for ECalendar. I hit the HotSnyc Button on my PDA's cradle. My PDA says "Synchronizing Date Book" but evolution doesn't show any entries in the calendar view. It's been going on for 2 minutes now.
[07:31] <skalpel> can anyone tell me how to pass a shell script to the gnome session startup as a command?
[07:31] <Chinstrap> bigfoot1, something is obviously crashing.  Debugging problems with gpilotd is always a hassle.  You can trying killing gpilotd and running it from a terminal and then syncing so you can watch the messages go by
[07:31] <Funraiser> dr_willis, dvsoftware thanks
[07:32] <Chinstrap> skalpel, just like you would pass any other command to gnome-session.  Just make sure the shell script is executable
[07:32] <bigfoot1> Chinstrap, i have heard of  aprogram called multisnyc. will multisync help ?
[07:32] <dvsoftware> Sammi_, no sorry
[07:32] <Chinstrap> bigfoot1, not for syncing evo.  Evo only talks to gpilot
[07:33] <Sonderblade> how do you set which programs that should start when xorg starts?
[07:33] <bigfoot1> Chinstrap, i don't care how i sync my palmOS pda. Actually, i'm very happy with J-Pilot, but I don't think i can make the J-Pilot info readable for migration into a pocket pc, can i?
[07:33] <bigfoot1> 8-)
[07:34] <skalpel> chinstrap: ok, thank you
[07:34] <Chinstrap> bigfoot1, if you just want to pull all your data use pilot-sync
[07:34] <zAo^> Sonderblade, in GDM you can
[07:34] <zAo^> Sonderblade, sudo gdmsetup
[07:34] <bigfoot1> pull? meaning pull from palm os pda to desktop pc? if so, will this data be readable for migration to a pocket pc (windows os pda)?
[07:35] <Chinstrap> bigfoot1, I doubt it.
[07:35] <bigfoot1> Chinstrap, so that's my problem, you see. i want to transfer my data from palm to pocket pc.
[07:35] <Chinstrap> bigfoot1, good luck
[07:35] <ulaas> DO NOT USE BREEZY YET - X is still broken
[07:35] <Sonderblade> zAo^, i want to add xcompmgr but there is no option in gdmsetup to add programs
[07:36] <bigfoot1> Chinstrap, i thought using evolution as a bridge would be the solution.
[07:36] <ulaas> not neccesarily.....
[07:36] <Chinstrap> bigfoot1, in theory it would, but I don't know anything about syncing pocketpc devices.  Will evo even talk to those?
[07:36] <zAo^> Sonderblade, sorry, though you ment which DE :). Yust go to Menu > System > Prefs > sessions > last tab
[07:36] <ulaas> cd /usr/X11R6/bin
[07:36] <ulaas> mv X X_fixmelater
[07:36] <bigfoot1> Chinstrap, oh you mean evo is meant for palm os?
[07:37] <ulaas> ln -s Xorg X
[07:37] <Chinstrap> bigfoot1, evo talks to gpilotd, as far as I know, gpilotd only talks to palmos
[07:37] <Spudchat> what mail accounts can evolution take care of?
[07:37] <Chinstrap> Spudchat, anything
[07:37] <Sonderblade> zAo^, thanks
[07:38] <heien> hi all
[07:38] <Spudchat> allrighty then idiocracy on the operator's part :)
[07:38] <ulaas> i think the topic must change. Who will test and report bugs?
[07:38] <Chinstrap> Spudchat, imap, pop, groupwise, exchange, whatever
[07:38] <Spudchat> thats not just for a mail server i run correct?
[07:38] <Chinstrap> correct
[07:38] <heien> what is the name of desktop thing that works like samurize? gdi... someting?
[07:38] <Spudchat> it can import my mail like outlook and thunderbird
[07:38] <bigfoot1> Chinstrap, okay, in that case, my trying to sncy with evo is pointless. there must be a way to migrate from palm to pocketpc via linux. hmmmm. i wonder what i should do.
[07:38] <heien> for gnome
[07:38] <Chinstrap> bigfoot1, http://www.google.com/linux
[07:39] <Chinstrap> heien, what's samurize?
[07:39] <bigfoot1> Chinstrap, thanks for your help.
[07:39] <Spudchat> allright thanks m8
[07:39] <Chinstrap> bigfoot1, sorry I couldn't give you a solution
[07:39] <heien> Chinstrap, a program adding weather info, and info about allmost everything to the desktop
[07:39] <bigfoot1> Chinstrap, do you have a pocketpc?
[07:39] <Chinstrap> heien, gdesklets
[07:39] <Chinstrap> bigfoot1, no, just palm
[07:40] <Chinstrap> bigfoot1, MS products aren't allowed in my house
[07:40] <heien> Chinstrap, thx your the best :D
[07:40] <bigfoot1> Chinstrap, i see.
[07:40] <bigfoot1> this microsoft pda is allowed in my house. how can i refuse? it's free from dad.
[07:41] <Sammi_> Chinstrap: I tried to add a printer through CUPS and then it asked me for the username and password. I entered the log in name and admin password for my system, but it just asked me again.
[07:41] <icewt> Chinstrap, pity. Xbox with xboxlinux is great ;)
[07:41] <Chinstrap> Sammi_, it actually wants the root password, not sure how ubuntu handles that
[07:42] <Chinstrap> icewt, yeah, and my ps2 with ps2linux is great too :)
[07:43] <Frafra> hi all
[07:44] <Frafra> how i must uninstall a package? [the package isn't installed correctly] 
[07:44] <Chinstrap> Frafra, dpkg --purge <pkg-name>
[07:44] <Blackhold> enas
[07:45] <Blackhold> hello
[07:45] <Blackhold> I've a compaq presario 2500 (a laptop with a p4 procesator)
[07:45] <Blackhold> with a modem conexant 56k aclink
[07:45] <Frafra> it says that i should reinstall it, but i haven't the package
[07:45] <Blackhold> how I have to connect the modem to internet with ubuntu?
[07:46] <Chinstrap> Blackhold, sudo pppconfig
[07:46] <Blackhold> and then will appear a modem configuration?
[07:46] <Chinstrap> Blackhold, yes
[07:47] <Chinstrap> Frafra, apt-get install <pkg-name>
[07:47] <LowBit> blackhold: aclink?
[07:47] <crashd>  sudo apt-get install ;)
[07:47] <Blackhold> _
[07:48] <Frafra> Chinstrap: i haven't it, i want only uninstall it
[07:48] <Blackhold> isn't the sudo installed in ubuntu?
[07:48] <Chinstrap> Frafra, "sudo dpkg --purge package"
[07:48] <Blackhold> I have installed a ubuntu cd
[07:49] <Frafra> Chinstrap: i've do it, but it doesn't work. it says that i should reinstall it, but i haven't it
[07:49] <Blackhold> that that comes with a live cd
[07:49] <LowBit> blackhold: aclink?
[07:49] <Blackhold> and don't questioned me for the root password :S
[07:49] <Blackhold> LowBit, yes
[07:49] <Chinstrap> Frafra, you aren't making sense.  What package are you trying to remove?
[07:49] <LowBit> blackhold: what is aclink?
[07:50] <Blackhold> LowBit, a 56k modem
[07:50] <LowBit> oh
[07:50] <Blackhold> yes here still exists it
[07:50] <LowBit> you are looking for support for it?
[07:50] <LowBit> is it a linmodem?
[07:50] <cookin__> isn't there a python-popt package for ubuntu?
[07:50] <LowBit> *winmodem
[07:51] <Blackhold> I don't don't if is it a winmodem
[07:51] <LowBit> bah
[07:51] <dr_willis> Hmm.. whats a program that will tell me what res my X is running at right now? xvidtune dont want to tell me.
[07:51] <D1> god, did I ever mention how much I love ubuntu?
[07:51] <LowBit> hang on
[07:51] <D1> its like heaven!
[07:51] <LowBit> i'll try and find you some help blackhold
[07:51] <D1> haven't had this much fun on a linux distro since slackware.
[07:51] <dr_willis> I think i got the wide screen set up right. but the circles in qcad still seem swuashed
[07:51] <Frafra> Chinstrap: it's a package .rpm that i've converted (with alien) in a deb
[07:51] <Blackhold> LokeDK,  thanks
[07:52] <balistic2> is it possible to install ubuntu
[07:52] <balistic2> through a network install
[07:52] <Chinstrap> dr_willis, xdpyinfo | grep dimensions
[07:52] <zAo^> balistic2, by jumpstarting?
[07:52] <LowBit> blackhold: http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=connexant+hsf+56k+winmodem+linux+drivers&btnG=Search&meta=
[07:52] <dr_willis> Chinstrap, aha.
[07:52] <balistic2> i want to install ubuntu on my pcg c1xs vaio.. the only thing is it doesnt have a cd rom drive... right now its not running anything..
[07:52] <Chinstrap> Frafra, dpkg -l | grep <part of package name> will give you the exact name to use to pass to dpkg --purge
[07:52] <balistic2> zao^, whats jumpstarting
[07:53] <dr_willis> drat  - its still useing 1024x768
[07:53] <D1> balistic2, it is possible I believe.
[07:53] <D1> I think there is a net install for ubuntu
[07:53] <zAo^> balistic2, sorry, thought that you want to install 10+ machines. Actually I dont know
[07:53] <Chinstrap> dr_willis, look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log, that will tell you why it won't use a higher resolution (bad dotclock or somethign most likely)
[07:54] <Frafra> Chinstrap: thanks!
[07:54] <balistic2> zao^, its just one computer that doesnt have a cdrom drive
[07:54] <Frafra> no
[07:54] <Frafra> it doesn't work :(
[07:54] <D1> http://www.wrigley.me.uk/wp/?p=71
[07:54] <balistic2> Ineed to find a way to install ubuntu with out a cd rom
[07:55] <D1> balistic2, try http://www.wrigley.me.uk/wp/?p=71
[07:55] <D1> maybe that'll help
[07:55] <alex____> hello, I have just merged onto ubuntu and I have some monitor resolution problem, I was looking for XF86Config-4 under /etc/X11 but its not there anylonger, any clue ?
[07:55] <D1> but I was wrong, no official net install I think.
[07:56] <dArtagnan> Where can I find the SuperKaramba excecutable?
[07:56] <D1> alex____, /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[07:56] <balistic2> d1, so is it possible
[07:56] <D1> looks like it, but with a little work.
[07:57] <balistic2> d1, can you prompt me im a litlte bit of a newb
[07:57] <balistic2> and i really wanna make this work
[07:57] <D1> just read that article
[07:57] <D1> I never tried it.
[07:57] <balistic2> d1, ok
[07:57] <Frafra> Chinstrap: it doesn't work :(
[07:58] <D1> another link if it helps: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-29555.html
[07:58] <D1> I'd just try to borrow a cdrom
[07:58] <D1> seems like the easiest way
[07:59] <zkruw> can someone help me with this dpkg-divert problem? http://code.tzoom.se/default.asp?c=462
[07:59] <balistic2> d1, i cant find someone with an external cd rom drive
[07:59] <balistic2> d1, it doesnt seem too complicated
[08:00] <catolh> Can anyone help me get my TV as a primary screen?
[08:00] <D1> well, goodluck.
[08:00] <andril> hello all
[08:00] <andril> anyone use Inkscape?
[08:00] <D1> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/upgrade-sarge/talkback/1113587843
[08:00] <D1> theres another alternative.
[08:00] <andril> i need help with sizing wallpapers in Inkscape
[08:01] <D1> did you guys hear about OpenSuse?
[08:01] <D1> its sort of modeled like fedora
[08:01] <ed1t> i heard about ClosedSuse
[08:01] <D1> community based project
[08:02] <balistic2> d1, im having some trouble
[08:02] <dimitris> D1, yes i read it today! Great!
[08:02] <Razor-X`> odd....
[08:02] <D1> yeah, I can't wait to see what they develop.
[08:02] <D1> maybe it'll be as cutting edge as fedora
[08:02] <D1> balistic2, whats wrong?
[08:03] <ed1t> fedora == sucks
[08:03] <LowBit> fedora is alright
[08:03] <balistic2> d1, i dont understand the articles to well.. which one do you think i should follow
[08:03] <linukso> D1: then I cant see where ClosedSuse will find its place in the world, stuck between novel and opensuse
[08:04] <D1> rty this one I guess: http://www.wrigley.me.uk/wp/?p=71
[08:04] <D1> try*
[08:04] <Razor-X> weird....
[08:04] <D1> you'll need a /boot partition though
[08:04] <mpmc> :)
[08:04] <balistic2> how do i make one?
[08:05] <balistic2> d1, i was thinking of installing debian
[08:05] <balistic2> then working from there
[08:05] <D1> oh ok.
[08:05] <cafecalva> help
[08:05] <cafecalva> # help
[08:05] <balistic2> d1, do you concur?
[08:05] <D1> sure.
[08:05] <D1> whatever works for you dude.
[08:05] <D1> or rather, whatever gets the job done.
[08:05] <balistic2> d1, im still a newb with linux
[08:06] <D1> well, you live and learn.
[08:06] <balistic2> d1, so do you know any wiki's, howtos, or anything in lamens terms on how to install debian
[08:06] <balistic2> using floppy or net install
[08:06] <Kyral> balistic2, whatever you do DON'T DO A SUDO RM -RF /
[08:06] <D1> not off hand though. I'm sure theres a howto at the debian site.
[08:06] <Razor-X> balistic2: that's a pretty simple one right there
[08:06] <Razor-X> the Ubuntu one
[08:07] <Sputn1k> after nvidia driver installiation everything works, but after pc restart x's don't work, where is the problem?...
[08:07] <balistic2> Razor-x, i dont understand..
[08:07] <Kyral> balistic2, why not use Ubuntu?
[08:07] <Razor-X> balistic2: what don't you understand?
[08:07] <balistic2> I dont have a cdrom drive
[08:07] <Kyral> ah
[08:07] <Kyral> they make computers without CD Drives still?!
[08:07] <sidnei_> is there any known breakage going on on breezy? i've got a nightly iso yesterday and gnome wont start
[08:07] <balistic2> I have a sony vaio pcg c1xs with out a cd rom drive
[08:07] <balistic2> its an external one
[08:07] <Sputn1k> help me please.... :///
[08:08] <balistic2> i only have the floppy extension
[08:08] <Kyral> sidnei_, look at the topic :P
[08:08] <Razor-X> balistic2: what don't you understand about that guide?
[08:08] <balistic2> Razor-x, which guide lol
[08:08] <sidnei_> lol :)
[08:08] <D1> balistic2, just follow the links from the article, it'll show you.
[08:08] <Kyral> Razor-X, he needs to do a Floppy Install
[08:08] <sidnei_> funny it wasn't broken 3 days ago :)
[08:08] <D1> Once that's done, change your sources and you've got ubuntu.
[08:08] <Kyral> Sputn1k, are you using Breezy by anychance?
[08:08] <holycow> hey guys so is there any consensus on the least evil / most open chipset?
[08:08] <D1> seems easy enough
[08:08] <D1> install debian base, then change your apt sources and upgrade.
[08:08] <Sputn1k> Kyral: Horay
[08:09] <balistic2> ok..
[08:09] <balistic2> D1, i understand that
[08:09] <balistic2> but i have no idea how to install debian using floppys
[08:09] <balistic2> is tehre a script i need to right
[08:09] <balistic2> *write
[08:09] <D1> http://www.debian.org/distrib/floppyinst
[08:09] <balistic2> i need someone to just give me al ist of instructions its like i suck at this
[08:09] <Razor-X> balistic2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/WithFloppies
[08:09] <D1> http://linux.simple.be/debian/floppy
[08:10] <Razor-X> balistic2: that guide should be simple enough, if you have any questions, just ask
[08:10] <D1> Razor-X, wheres the index of the wiki?
[08:10] <balistic2> Razor X i appreciate it
[08:11] <Razor-X> D1: the top page is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com
[08:11] <D1> oh duh, thanks.
[08:11] <Razor-X> ;)
[08:11] <balistic2> and thank d1,
[08:11] <D1> sure.
[08:11] <MANOWAR^> Ok i am attempting to get Active Directory+Kerberos+PAM working on a box over here
[08:11] <balistic2> sorry my gf imed me and i was side tracked
[08:11] <MANOWAR^> AD+kerberos is working
[08:11] <balistic2> but d1, thanks
[08:11] <MANOWAR^> however i cannot get PAM configured
[08:12] <D1> no problem.
[08:12] <MANOWAR^> i have tried 10 different config files
[08:12] <Razor-X> i've never worked with Kerberos myself, so, :\
[08:12] <MANOWAR^> non of them seem to even acknowledge the existance of kerberos...
[08:12] <MANOWAR^> well thats not the problematic part
[08:12] <MANOWAR^> its the PAM part
[08:13] <Razor-X> MANOWAR^: did you compile Kerberos?
[08:13] <MANOWAR^> from the command line I can use kerberos to authenticate to Active Directory
[08:13] <MANOWAR^> Razor-X, yes
[08:13] <Razor-X> MANOWAR^: you did ``make install'' right?
[08:13] <KamiVIP> hi ho:)
[08:13] <MANOWAR^> Razor-X, ok... let me try this again. the Kerberos part is working
[08:13] <MANOWAR^> its the PAM part that it is not
[08:14] <Razor-X> MANOWAR^: but for the other apps to see Kerberos, you want to make install
[08:14] <cafecalva> what is please the unix command for copying a file ? (is there a more appropriate unix beginners chanel ?)
[08:14] <Razor-X> it's also easier to refer to Kerberos that way
[08:14] <Razor-X> cafecalva: ``cp''
[08:14] <Razor-X> ``cp <file> <destination>''
[08:14] <MANOWAR^> Razor-X, yes kerberos is installed and functuioning
[08:15] <MANOWAR^> and it is there
[08:15] <KamiVIP> i was here yesterday already. today i have similar problem (again) :) my sources.list wasnt k yesterday but then i fixed it. im using this soucres.list now: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/907. when i try to install build-essential i get this message: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/930
[08:15] <cafecalva> thanks, i am trying to add JRE to my PPC/Ubuntu
[08:15] <Razor-X> MANOWAR^: I'm just asking if you ``make install''ed (for better reference to the problem)
[08:15] <MANOWAR^> ok yes i have
[08:16] <MANOWAR^> kerberos is there pam_krb5.so is where it should be
[08:16] <mastertet> Is it normal that my Gnome desktop is not very responsive? Often, there is a delay after I press a menu item, the worse cases are in openoffice, but it happens with Gnome menu as well ( have a centrino 1.3 GhZ, 256 RAM)
[08:16] <MANOWAR^> i am however unable to tell PAM to use pam_krb5 to do the authentication no matter what i do...
[08:16] <balistic2> razor-x, the floppy images they told me to install arent on there
[08:16] <balistic2> dead links
[08:16] <ompaul> KamiVIP, which version of ubuntu are you using?
[08:17] <crashd> hmm
[08:17] <KamiVIP> ompaul, Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog"
[08:17] <crashd> if i do a `iwlist eth1 scan` and it throws up 'failed to read scan data'
[08:17] <crashd> what is it telling me ;)
[08:17] <Razor-X> MANOWAR^: hmmmm
[08:18] <Razor-X> balistic2: there are other Debian boot floppy links
[08:18] <ompaul> KamiVIP, how are you phrasing the command to install build_essential
[08:18] <Razor-X> I suggest trying the Knoppix method, personally
[08:18] <KamiVIP> ompaul, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[08:18] <Razor-X> KamiVIP: ``sudo apt-get install build-essentials''
[08:19] <Pegasos989> It seems like that highlighting large areas of desktop (by dragging the cursor to make the box thingie) starts lagging significantly if you put complicated background. Why? Because the box is like partly transparent? I mean... If I change the settings of the box, will it be fast again, or do I need to change background to some simple again. :S
[08:19] <ompaul> KamiVIP, so first do apt-get update then try again
[08:19] <kemik> Pegasos989:  cool, does that for me too.. hadnt noticed before =)
[08:20] <KamiVIP> ompaul, i tried that i get same message
[08:20] <KamiVIP> ompaul, i get same message aswel if it ry to install g++
[08:20] <ompaul> KamiVIP, hmm
[08:21] <skalpel> how do i make an executable file non executable?
[08:21] <KamiVIP> chmod +x
[08:21] <skalpel> k
[08:22] <KamiVIP> ompaul, i don't have problems with other packages its strange
[08:22] <balistic2> Razor-X, i forgot to mention something
[08:22] <skalpel> kamivp: i thought that was to make a file executable?
[08:22] <balistic2> Razor-x, im not running a linux.. im runninga windows..
[08:22] <KamiVIP> oh sorry
[08:22] <KamiVIP> didnt read whore line:))
[08:22] <ompaul> KamiVIP, there is one option left that I know of and I am loath to suggest it - check the help file to understand its implications - apt-get -f install build-essential
[08:22] <Iceman-AMD64> Question what Distros currently support 64 bit .. I know Ubuntu .. SUSE... What otehrs
[08:23] <apokryphos> Iceman-AMD64: all others, generally, I believe; they just won't necessarily have great support for them.
[08:23] <crashd> gentoo
[08:23] <KamiVIP> ompaul, 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
[08:24] <Iceman-AMD64> Gentoo sucks for instaling ... for a newbie .. "ME"
[08:24] <KamiVIP> ompaul, so it looks like there are no corrupted packages
[08:24] <ompaul> KamiVIP, I have no other suggestions at this time, sorry I could not be of more help
[08:25] <ompaul> KamiVIP, you could try a different repository
[08:25] <KamiVIP> k np
[08:25] <ompaul> KamiVIP, I have no good reason for suggesting this other than doing nothing seems like a wasted opportunity
[08:25] <crashd> bloody wifi !
[08:26] <EnsignRedshirt> Hello, world.
[08:26] <ompaul> KamiVIP, biab
[08:26] <Kyral> Building a theme around a wallpaper is a PAIN
[08:26] <skalpel> is there an app for ubuntu to unrar files using a gui?
[08:26] <CungYen_Bakpao> Does anyone know this? How can Times New Roman Be Shown in the 1st place but when i search it trough dropdown Fonts select it doesn't show?
[08:27] <EnsignRedshirt> Another bit of Firefox strangeness.  The first time I try to open a new tab, nothing happens.  After that, it works fine.  Does this happen to anyone else?
[08:27] <CungYen_Bakpao> Does anyone know this? How can Times New Roman Be Shown in the 1st place but when i search it trough dropdown Fonts select it doesn't show?
[08:27] <CungYen_Bakpao> it is Abiword i'm talking about
[08:27] <gregburd> I'm unable to swap out the caps-lock and ctrl keys using the Keyboard preferences panel.  I'm sure I'm missing something basic, help me out.
[08:27] <anacron> can you guy recommend some ftp server?
[08:27] <gregburd> I'm on a PowerBook
[08:28] <thenuke> anacron: proftpd
[08:28] <anacron> thenuke: okay, i'll try that
[08:29] <jongi> anyone know about tomcat
[08:29] <jongi> and servlets
[08:30] <skalpel> is there an app for ubuntu to unrar files using a gui?
[08:32] <gregburd> So, does anyone know how to swap out caps-lock and ctrl on a powerbook?
[08:33] <balistic2> hEy
[08:33] <balistic2> i just had a question
[08:33] <balistic2> I Just thought of
[08:33] <balistic2> You guys
[08:33] <balistic2> !!!
[08:33] <ubotu> from memory, ! is what u add before a sentence to talk to me
[08:33] <anacron> thenuke: how do i configure proftp?
[08:33] <balistic2> i have a 1gb mp3 player that serves as a memory stick...can i install ubuntu using that
[08:34] <thenuke> anacron: how about reading the documents
[08:34] <anacron> man proftp?
[08:34] <balistic2> Razor-x, are you there
[08:34] <thenuke> proftpd-doc  is the name of the doc package regarding to apt-cache search proftpd
[08:35] <anacron> okay, sorry to bother you
[08:35] <jay> Anyone know why my firefox keeps randomly closing?
[08:35] <KamiVIP> argh... i have problem with every package i try to install
[08:35] <KamiVIP> like yesterday but i didnt touch soucres.list
[08:36] <apokryphos> KamiVIP: no-one can really help without knowing the error. Pastebin is a good idea
[08:36] <mbirkis> can someone here help me set up blackbox on a hoary??
[08:36] <KamiVIP> k sorry:)
[08:36] <KamiVIP> yep
[08:36] <glitch> hi
[08:37] <anacron> mbirkis: read the topic, just ask
[08:37] <KamiVIP> am apokryphos i get error while installing packages that pachage x depends on package y but package y can not be installed
[08:37] <Pegasos989> anacron, I think he meant generally in the whole process
[08:37] <Pegasos989> So that was kinda the question
[08:37] <mbirkis> anacron, that was the question... i need help form the beginning, i am clueless ;)
[08:38] <thenuke> KamiVIP: try apt-get install y . that will tell you why it cannot install the y -packege
[08:38] <mbirkis> Pegasos989, thnx
[08:38] <DekaPink> :'(
[08:38] <anacron> mbirkis: sudo apt-get install blackbox
[08:38] <DekaPink> Ubuntu doesn't love me anymore. lol
[08:38] <apokryphos> KamiVIP: what package?
[08:38] <anacron> mbirkis: if it did work, then just log out, change system or what's the name, anyways change to boot in blackbox, and that's it
[08:38] <anacron> service it is
[08:39] <EnsignRedshirt> Anybody still using warty and using the new Firefox?
[08:39] <KamiVIP> wine
[08:39] <mbirkis> anacron, i got it installed... i need it configured... i have been reading abit on the net, and it is missing some files afaik...
[08:39] <DekaPink> My internet doesn't work on Ubuntu anymore.
[08:39] <anacron> mbirkis: okay so you lied me
[08:39] <KamiVIP> and those apokryphos libc6-dev g++ gcc
[08:39] <deb_newbie> EnsignRedshirt: yes I do
[08:39] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell KamiVIP about wine
[08:40] <anacron> mbirkis: you should ask how to configure it, not how to get it work
[08:40] <anacron> and you did know that right
[08:40] <shivy> Hya
[08:40] <mbirkis> anacron, sorry... a badly formulated questions... how to configure it was what i ment...
[08:40] <DRPAS> Does anybody can help me with my ubuntu waty instalation please?
[08:40] <KamiVIP> apokryphos, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/932 thats for last 3
[08:41] <anacron> mbirkis: well i don't know, ask someone else :D
[08:41] <KamiVIP> apokryphos,  and forum wine http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/933
[08:41] <KamiVIP> forum = for*
[08:41] <apokryphos> KamiVIP: yeah, follow the instructions on that page. You may need to enable more repositories
[08:41] <EnsignRedshirt> deb_newbie: When you start up Firefox, does File->New Tab work the first time?
[08:41] <capisce> so, where can I get tuxracer?
[08:41] <bwlang> DRPAS: just aska specific question... somebody may answer
[08:41] <Pegasos989> DRPAS, I think that at the forums is a whole area for installation.
[08:41] <DRPAS> Please somebody can help me with GRUB
[08:41] <KamiVIP> am apokryphos that was my problem yesterday and some guy from here have me sources.list which i should use and it worked till now
[08:42] <DRPAS> I have installed warty in my pc
[08:42] <DRPAS> with amd64
[08:42] <apokryphos> KamiVIP: could you pastebin then your sources.list?
[08:42] <DRPAS> the first thing is that my windows 2000 pro doesnt boot anymore
[08:42] <DRPAS> i have make the windows 2000 pro partition active again
[08:42] <KamiVIP> apokryphos,  yes: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/907
[08:42] <anacron> well isn't that just good?
[08:42] <DRPAS> to gain access to windoze
[08:43] <DRPAS> but when i activate again the Warty partition
[08:43] <apokryphos> KamiVIP: looks fine; does sudo apt-get update produce any errors?
[08:43] <DRPAS> it doesnt boot
[08:43] <DRPAS> it only says GRUB
[08:43] <DRPAS> and thats it
[08:43] <DRPAS> what can i do?
[08:43] <KamiVIP> apokryphos,  nop
[08:43] <KamiVIP> apokryphos, no erros on update
[08:44] <apokryphos> KamiVIP: did you follow the instructions on that link for installing wine?
[08:44] <bwlang> DRPAS: you don't seem to understand the meaning of specific....  you would be better served by posting the exact line that fails to boot your system
[08:44] <DekaPink> I wonder why my internet would just... stop working on my ubuntu partition. :3
[08:44] <balistic2> Razor-x, are you there
[08:44] <KamiVIP> yes
[08:44] <balistic2> kamivip, your not razor-x
[08:45] <KamiVIP> apokryphos,  but i cant install any of packages listed in topic because i get same message as for wine and other packages
[08:45] <apokryphos> KamiVIP: have you done sudo apt-get install build-essential?
[08:45] <_SWAT_> anyone here got NFS running? Somehow it won't run here. I've installed everything as the howto described. Yet I get a "mount: RPC: Program not registered"
[08:45] <KamiVIP> apokryphos, yes but i get that message again
[08:46] <apokryphos> KamiVIP: which one? The errors are different.
[08:46] <KamiVIP> apokryphos, like for all packages packaacge x depends on more packages which cant be installed
[08:46] <KamiVIP> apokryphos, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/934
[08:47] <KamiVIP> apokryphos, had exactly the same error yesterday but it was fixed while i changed my soucres.list
[08:47] <lonelyzora> hi
[08:47] <mgbaron> hi, i have a quick question.  at my workplace we are using samba to share files from our server.  My desktop is running linux, is there anyway i can mount this more directly through SSH?  I can use "connect to servers" through gnome, but I need them actually mounted.  any advice?
[08:47] <raDeon> hi
[08:47] <raDeon> wtf u ant
[08:47] <raDeon> want
[08:47] <apokryphos> KamiVIP: weird. You must have broken packages somewhere. What happens when you try to fix broken packages from synaptic or apt?
[08:48] <lonelyzora> ...
[08:48] <raDeon> lol
[08:48] <LasseL> mgbaron, look up smbfs
[08:48] <_SWAT_> NFS just won't run. Help!     https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NFSServerHowTo?highlight=%28nfs%29
[08:48] <KamiVIP> apokryphos, nothing: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/935
[08:49] <pompeyrodney> can anyone help a newbie brew such as myself getting a scroll wheel to work on an intellimouse
[08:50] <LasseL> mgbaron, something like this in your /etc/fstab will make a permanent mount: //enoch/data    /media/enoch_data      smbfs   rw,credentials=/home/lasse/.smbpasswd,uid=lasse,gid=data 0 0
[08:50] <apokryphos> KamiVIP: very weird. I'm not sure if it's worth using a different mirror in your sources... you could try, if you want
[08:50] <apokryphos> KamiVIP: i.e. giannaros.org/sources.list
[08:51] <KamiVIP> apokryphos, yep it's weird it worked till now. gonna try different mirror now, thanks for the list
[08:51] <mgbaron> lassel, i have it mounted via smbfs, but it goes slow and seems uneccesary.  is there a better way?
[08:51] <mgbaron> LasseL, I have it in the /etc/fstab.  thanks for the advice
[08:51] <mgbaron> i just goes slower than my straight ssh connection
[08:51] <apokryphos> Ok, good luck
[08:51] <KamiVIP> thanks
[08:52] <KamiVIP> ah to bad i get same error:\
[08:52] <LasseL> mgbaron, I find that I need to remount mine now and then .. other than that it seems fast enough. Perhaps you should check the samba servers log
[08:53] <LasseL> mgbaron, I do have the problem that if I loose conneciton to a single mount ALL mounts including those to other machines seems to hang until I remount
[08:54] <pompeyrodney> anyone know how breezy is coming along
[08:54] <KamiVIP> so anyone else have some idead, thats my problem: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/932
[08:54] <balistic2> i am the linux kking
[08:54] <balistic2> hear me roar
[08:55] <mgbaron> LasseL, thanks, you have basically answered my questions.  i will check the log
[08:56] <pestilence> KamiVIP: you using some non-standard repositories?
[08:56] <pestilence> KamiVIP: like, backports?
[08:57] <reisio> the best bash command ever: while(true); do for i in 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0.9 0.8 0.7 0.6 0.5 0.4 0.3 0.2 0.1 0.2 0.3 0.4 0.5 0.6 0.7 0.8 0.9 1; do xgamma -gamma $i; done; done
[08:57] <Draucon> how do i set xmms as the default for cd audio?
[08:57] <LasseL> reisio, then you must also like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L33t_programming_language
[08:57] <reisio> LasseL: heheh, or whitespace
[08:57] <KamiVIP> hehe pestilence thats was my problem yesterday then i used another list which was working untill now but it isnt working anymore. today i trided this:  giannaros.org/sources.list but it isnt working either
[08:58] <reisio> Draucon: you have the CD icon on your desktop?
[08:58] <reisio> Draucon: using GNOME?
[08:58] <Draucon> yeah
[08:58] <KamiVIP> pestilence,  thats my list which fixed my problem yesterday and worked untill now: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/907
[08:58] <Draucon> ohh just right click
[08:58] <Draucon> yes gnome
[08:58] <reisio> Draucon: I imagine you can just right-click, properties, open-with
[08:58] <pestilence> KamiVIP: first step, comment out everything that doesn't start with an ubuntu.com address
[08:59] <reisio> Draucon: and have the association stick, I forget how...stopped using GNOME
[08:59] <KamiVIP> pestilence, here (http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/907) everythins ends with ubuntu but same problems
[09:01] <pestilence> KamiVIP: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/936
[09:01] <KamiVIP> pestilence, thanks gonna try those
[09:03] <KamiVIP> pestilence, i tried those and i get same messages
[09:03] <pestilence> KamiVIP: about libc6?
[09:04] <mbirkis> how do i run things automatically on X start?? there is no .xinitrc file as i can find...
[09:05] <KamiVIP> pestilence, well yes and about other stuff too, like this: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/933 and http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/934
[09:05] <difeta> Is there a vpn client out there that lets me connect to a windows vpn?
[09:05] <macgyver2> mbirkis, are you using Gnome?
[09:05] <mbirkis> macgyver2, nope...
[09:05] <mbirkis> macgyver2, blackbox
[09:06] <pestilence> KamiVIP: did you do apt-get update?
[09:06] <balistic2> blackbox Sucks
[09:06] <macgyver2> mbirkis, then I think you can just make a .xinitrc...have you tried that yet?
[09:06] <Fanskapet> difeta openVPN
[09:06] <mbirkis> macgyver2, good idea, i'll try it
[09:06] <macgyver2> mbirkis, it was that way when I used to use fluxbox
[09:06] <mbirkis> balistic2, thnx for that insightful info!
[09:07] <KamiVIP> pestilence, yep i did
[09:07] <mbirkis> macgyver2, thnx alot
[09:07] <macgyver2> mbirkis, np
[09:07] <pestilence> KamiVIP: what does "dpkg -l libc6" tell you about the version installed?
[09:07] <Fanskapet> damn samba
[09:07] <Fanskapet> something is *fucked up* with my two ubuntu installations
[09:08] <Fanskapet> i wonder why the XFCE samba-browser won't work here at home but do work at my brothers place..
[09:08] <Fanskapet> hummz
[09:08] <KamiVIP> pestilence, ii  libc6            2.3.2.ds1-22     GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone dat
[09:08] <jay> Can someone please help me figure out why my firefox browser keeps closing unexpectedly?
[09:09] <reisio> jay: stop visiting porn sites! j/k
[09:09] <pestilence> KamiVIP: seems you have screwed your system up
[09:09] <Belutz> anyone using Visual Paradigm ?
[09:09] <reisio> jay: it doesn't do it with particular sites only?
[09:09] <pestilence> KamiVIP: you have the wrong version of libc6
[09:09] <jay> dunno
[09:09] <MagiPink> Well... It's been a good couple of weeks, but it looks like my Ubuntu adventure is at an end. :3
[09:09] <wdh> hi ppls.. what would be the best way to burn a *.bin to cd without the .cue available?
[09:09] <reisio> jay: http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=9
[09:09] <KamiVIP> pestilence, oh, so what can i do then
[09:09] <Razor-X> KamiVIP: was this a Debian box before?
[09:10] <jay> it does it with runescape while using java i know that
[09:10] <reisio> MagiPink: why's that?
[09:10] <KamiVIP> Razor-X, nop ubuntu. i installed it yesterday
[09:10] <reisio> jay: ah, well Java isn't the most stable of things :p
[09:10] <reisio> jay: how 'bout pages that don't use Java?
[09:10] <Razor-X> KamiVIP: you said your sources.list was bad before, did you have debian sources in there?
[09:10] <pestilence> KamiVIP: sudo aptitude install libc6=2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13
[09:10] <pestilence> KamiVIP: is the first step
[09:11] <Razor-X> try sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[09:11] <MagiPink> reisio: My internet no longer seems to work on it. :3
[09:11] <Razor-X> that should replace all your bad crap, with the correct equivalents
[09:11] <reisio> MagiPink: ever consider fixing it?
[09:11] <difeta> Fanskapet, thanks. Now.. how to configure....
[09:11] <KamiVIP> Razor-X, nop i had blackports then i changed to ones im using now and it worked untill now
[09:11] <jay> hmmm
[09:11] <macgyver2> jay, I don't know much about firefox errors...but a suggestion might be start firefox from a terminal...when it unexpectedly quits it might throw up some info that could help
[09:12] <wdh> gregg_, you gave me a script to convert *.bin to *.iso.. but somehow this screwed up the video.. the .bin plays fine in mplayer, while the .iso gives a beautifull mess of colours :S
[09:12] <KamiVIP> pestilence, working on this
[09:12] <MagiPink> reisio: No, never. Such a strange idea never crossed my mind. :P I don't know what to do to fix it since I don't know what I might have done to break it.
[09:12] <Fanskapet> difeta that i don't know at the moment since I have no real use for it before i get my DSL from that damned Telia
[09:12] <reisio> MagiPink: well ask this here channel for help :)
[09:12] <KamiVIP> pestilence, done
[09:12] <pestilence> KamiVIP: it worked?  well, you should be able to do something similar with any other package it complains about
[09:12] <alex____> hey I have installed ubuntu and everything works appart form a slight problem of display
[09:12] <Choudeshell> Hello all.
[09:12] <alex____> my fonts are blur and I guess this is because I am using a nvidia card for which I need to download a proper driver
[09:13] <alex____> I went onto the nvidia site and they ask for my kernel source
[09:13] <MagiPink> I'm thinking you'll all need something more than 'my internet stopped working' xD
[09:13] <alex____> to built a kernel interface for the installer
[09:13] <Choudeshell> How far backed up is ShipIT?
[09:13] <pestilence> if it says "i'm trying to install x version 123 but x version 234 is installed"
[09:13] <alex____> I have done an apt-get installe linux-source-2.6.10 but it still asks for the kernel source
[09:13] <KamiVIP> pestilence, thanks. it works now. just installing build-essential. gonna try wine now
[09:13] <difeta> Fanskapet, ok.. thanks
[09:13] <alex____> I am a bit stuck
[09:13] <alex____> any help would be appreciated
[09:13] <gregg_> wdh: uhh, that's bad
[09:13] <pestilence> KamiVIP: then sudo aptitude install x=123
[09:13] <MagiPink> It said something about... pap connection failing when I did plog.
[09:13] <gregg_> wdh: this only works reliable with data CDs
[09:13] <Fanskapet> difeta np.. look at openvpn.org i think there was plenty of good documentation over there
[09:14] <wdh> gregg_, ok, so then i should maybe figure a way to generate a .cue for this .bin
[09:14] <gregg_> wdh: sorry for not telling you this :)
[09:14] <KamiVIP> pestilence, k doing it
[09:14] <wdh> gregg_, nm, just costs me a cdr :P
[09:14] <KamiVIP> pestilence, done
[09:14] <alex____> anyone ?
[09:14] <icewt> alex____, linux-headers-2.6.10-(something)
[09:15] <alex____> ok
[09:15] <alex____> thansk
[09:15] <pestilence> alex____: linux-headers-`uname -r`
[09:15] <Razor-X> KamiVIP: try sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[09:15] <wdh> gregg_, you have any ideas on how to proceed?
[09:15] <Choudeshell> Does anyone know what the waiting list for the Unbuntu CDs are from ShipIt?
[09:16] <Razor-X> anywhere from 1-4 weeks, IIRC
[09:16] <wdh> Choudeshell, depends.. i've ordered well before hoary even was out :P
[09:16] <KamiVIP> Razor-X, am i removed ubuntu-desktop package yesterday
[09:16] <wdh> Choudeshell, so i'm waiting since march now..
[09:16] <Razor-X> KamiVIP: ........... why did you remove it?
[09:16] <Razor-X> are you using Kubunut?
[09:16] <andypassword> hello?
[09:16] <Razor-X> s/Kubunut/Kubuntu/
[09:16] <gregg_> wdh: if it's an (S)VCD take a look at .cue's of other images
[09:16] <Razor-X> andypassword: hey
[09:17] <wdh> gregg_, thx.. i'll try and find some
[09:17] <gregg_> wdh: (S)VCD images of course :)
[09:17] <Fanskapet> hmm XFCE really owns KDE, nice with a slick and light GUI
[09:17] <Choudeshell> wdh, I order about 200 for a college event closely approaching and I was wondering if they would arrive on time.
[09:17] <Razor-X> i've modded my box so heavily, XFce refuses to work ;)
[09:17] <Razor-X> as does Fluxbox
[09:17] <wdh> gregg_, although everyone seems to loose them :P
[09:17] <KamiVIP> Razor-X, am apt-get ddi it :P i removed some packages i didnt like which came with fresh installation but they needed to remove ubuntu-desktop :)
[09:17] <selinium_> how do you rename the computer?
[09:17] <wdh> Choudeshell, try to call Canonical then..
[09:18] <gregg_> Fanskapet: yeah, and it sure has a shell as powerful as konqueror :p
[09:18] <Razor-X> KamiVIP: maybe that's why the box is broken? ;)
[09:18] <Choudeshell> wdh, is their number on their site?
[09:18] <wdh> Choudeshell, they seem to have some arrangements for cd's needed for events..
[09:18] <wdh> Choudeshell, i think it was mentioned in the FAQ on shipit
[09:18] <reisio> gregg_: shell?
[09:18] <Fanskapet> george___, shell? filemanager you mean?
[09:18] <reisio> gregg_: file manager, y'mean?
[09:18] <wdh> Choudeshell, or maybe it was an emailaddress :)
[09:18] <Razor-X> gregg_: Konsole is pretty nice
[09:18] <Choudeshell> wdh, they did mention, but I never heard back
[09:18] <Razor-X> Eterm is nicer, though
[09:19] <Fanskapet> i use gnome-terminal really
[09:19] <gregg_> you can also call a graphical file manager a 'shell'
[09:19] <reisio> the future Xfce file manager will be nice :) : http://thunar.xfce.org/wiki/ui:suggestion-20050320
[09:19] <KamiVIP> Razor-X, no idea. dont think so. i searched forum before i removed it. i found topic where one guy said that you can remove ubuntu-desktop. its not important file
[09:19] <Fanskapet> but good old xterm would work fine for me too
[09:19] <reisio> gregg_: you can, but nobody does :p
[09:19] <gregg_> Razor-X: it's just a terminal emulator though
[09:19] <Razor-X> gregg_: I use ``juts a terminal emulator'' all day long
[09:19] <Belutz> Razor-X: hai! how r u today?
[09:19] <Fanskapet> i just use gnome-terminal for the tabs nothing more nothing less :)
[09:19] <Razor-X> this _is_ my working space, I have to have it so that my eyes don't go bad from staring at the Terminal
[09:19] <Razor-X> Belutz: hey
[09:19] <reisio> Fanskapet: just for the tabs?
[09:20] <Fanskapet> reisio well mostly atleast :)
[09:20] <reisio> Fanskapet: there's a package called "terminal" for Xfce that has tabs...mega unbloated compared to gnome-terminal
[09:20] <gregg_> for a file manager I'm really interested in things like the kioslaves
[09:20] <gregg_> e.g. a VFS for sftp, ftp, webdav and stuff like that
[09:20] <Razor-X> with screen, tabs are useless
[09:20] <reisio> Razor-X: nonsense
[09:20] <Razor-X> reisio: in the Terminal, i'ld think so
[09:20] <gregg_> Razor-X: me too :)
[09:20] <Fanskapet> reisio okey well maybe i'l take that in consideration then.. but i have no access to internet via ubuntu right now since Telia fucked up their installation-date.. for the third time :(
[09:20] <MagiPink> The only thing I can think of that may have screwed up the internet on my ubuntu is that I installed guarddog... and then I really couldn't figure it out so I uninstalled it... I don't know if that would have left anything behind that would have been less than helpful.
[09:21] <Fanskapet> and my internal modem won't work in ubuntu.
[09:21] <reisio> Fanskapet: http://www.os-cillation.com/article.php?sid=40
[09:21] <Razor-X> it costs more CPU to create and maintain a tab than it does to create and maintain a screen
[09:21] <reisio> Razor-X: tabs are nice
[09:21] <f_newton> MagiPink, flush your iptables
[09:21] <reisio> lol
[09:21] <Fanskapet> Razor-X, yes it does but it's more usefull
[09:21] <Razor-X> reisio: what are it's advantages over screen?
[09:21] <reisio> like 0.00000000007% :p
[09:21] <gregg_> screen is much more versatile than using different tabs
[09:22] <reisio> Razor-X: sameness with all my other GUIs
[09:22] <MagiPink> f_newton: How would I do that?
[09:22] <Razor-X> reisio: oh, you care about the tab actually being there in the GUI?
[09:22] <reisio> Razor-X: firefox, xchat, terminal - all have tabs, top left to right
[09:22] <Fanskapet> Razor-X, _way_ better overview with two tabs than two 'screen'
[09:22] <reisio> Razor-X: well what else is the point of a tab :p
[09:22] <f_newton> I guess in ubuntu you would open up a root terminal and type iptables flush all or type iptables -h for the correct syntax
[09:23] <Razor-X> can you detach a session of tabs?
[09:23] <MagiPink> f_newton: Thank you. :D
[09:23] <Razor-X> and return to it later, after you switch WMs?
[09:23] <pestilence> Razor-X: you need tabs to have screens on multiple machines :-P
[09:23] <reisio> Razor-X: I have very good reasons to use X, the tabs are just a perk
[09:23] <Fanskapet> reisio, does o
[09:23] <asfra> If I cant get my printer working does it have to be that I'm missing the driver or do I have to mount it? thanks..
[09:23] <Razor-X> pestilence: you can't use multiple terms? ;)
[09:23] <Fanskapet> reisio, does it build on amd64 bit?
[09:23] <f_newton> Razor-X, look this is a gui based os complete with closed root acct... so dont start acting all cli high n might
[09:23] <f_newton> y
[09:23] <pestilence> Razor-X: same difference
[09:23] <Razor-X> asfra: printers don't need to be mounted
[09:23] <reisio> Fanskapet: I wouldn't know
[09:23] <Razor-X> f_newton: I think it is *shrugs*
[09:23] <f_newton> debianites...sheeesh
[09:24] <f_newton> lol
[09:24] <reisio> Fanskapet: don't see why it wouldn't, but I've really no idea
[09:24] <Razor-X> asfra: what style printer is it?
[09:24] <reisio> ubuntuites complaining about debianites...rofl
[09:24] <Razor-X> not to say I don't like eyecandy -- just not what i'm working with
[09:24] <f_newton> yeah...
[09:24] <Fanskapet> reisio seems to miss some nice things that the gnome one has though like displaying the path as tab-names instead of just "tab 1" "tab 2" etc.
[09:24] <asfra> no, that's what I thought.. so if I the driver was a part of the distro it would work. It's an old Hp descjet 690...
[09:24] <Razor-X> ubuntians or ubunscist ;)
[09:24] <f_newton> just the snobbery
[09:24] <Razor-X> s/ubunscist/ubunscists/
[09:24] <Razor-X> f_newton: I think you're being snobby about the GUI
[09:25] <f_newton> that sounds to dictatorshipish for me
[09:25] <reisio> Fanskapet: uh, that's completely dependent on your ~/.bashrc :p
[09:25] <f_newton> ooh I see
[09:25] <Razor-X> everyone assosciates ``cist'' with dictatorship ;)
[09:25] <Razor-X> and communist with ``evil''
[09:25] <reisio> Fanskapet: my "terminal" uses paths, because I've configured my ~/.bashrc to do it that way
[09:25] <f_newton> ubuntunions?
[09:25] <Razor-X> hmmm, that's a bit long
[09:25] <Fanskapet> reisio ah okey.
[09:25] <Razor-X> ubuntians are cool
[09:25] <pestilence> reisio: can you get konsole to do that?
[09:25] <Razor-X> like martians
[09:25] <asfra> Razor-X: many typos there..  would it work if I had the driver installed, or do I have to write something? it's a HP 690...
[09:25] <pestilence> reisio: (in the title)
[09:26] <Razor-X> asfra: then, i'm thinking CUPS includes that driver
[09:26] <balistic2> Razor-x
[09:26] <f_newton> cups should
[09:26] <reisio> pestilence: undoubtedly
[09:26] <Razor-X> lemme do a google search on that
[09:26] <onur> Hello i want to install eclipse 3.1. How should i do it ? i don't think it is in the repos
[09:26] <alex____> an nvidia installer ask for the kernel source tree to be installed, I have installed the linux-source and the linux-header but this is not what is required, any idea what should I installed  ?
[09:26] <balistic2> razor-x, i tried the floppy installation... but for some reason.. the second floppy wasnt working it said not a bootable floppy
[09:26] <Razor-X> it should include a CUPS driver
[09:26] <asfra> Razor-X: ok, I will google it..
[09:26] <reisio> Fanskapet: pestilence: http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-tip-prompt/
[09:26] <Fanskapet> well it has some nice things as anti-alias and stuff.
[09:26] <pestilence> reisio: i have some doubts
[09:27] <f_newton> I have some cookies
[09:27] <Razor-X> balistic2: did you try the Knoppix method?
[09:27] <reisio> pestilence: I don't
[09:27] <Razor-X> f_newton: delete them! ;)
[09:27] <balistic2> razor-x, no i didnt
[09:27] <pestilence> reisio: i'm not talking about prompts
[09:27] <f_newton> I am working on it ... munch munch
[09:27] <Razor-X> balistic2: that's a better method, IMO
[09:27] <balistic2> razor-x, can you explain to me what it does exactly
[09:27] <pestilence> reisio: i'm talking about the tab title
[09:27] <pestilence> reisio: maybe i should have been clearer/maybe i misunderstood what you were discussing
[09:27] <reisio> pestilence: so am I
[09:27] <onur> How should i install a program that is not available in the repos ?
[09:28] <Razor-X> balistic2: a floppy is put into the drive to search for the Knoppix CD (which means you can use external CD ROMs) boots Knoppix, then installs Ubuntu from there
[09:28] <f_newton> onur very carefully
[09:28] <Razor-X> hold on a sec
[09:28] <onur> f_newton, more specifically ?
[09:28] <reisio> pestilence: it would be ridiculous if konsole couldn't handle it, so I'm almost positive it can
[09:28] <f_newton> onur there are a couple of things to worry about
[09:28] <reisio> pestilence: this is incredibly old, simple, low-level stuff
[09:28] <Razor-X> there we are
[09:28] <balistic2> Razor-x, but thats the thing.. i dont have a cdrom drive
[09:28] <f_newton> 1. dependencies 2. kernel compatibility
[09:28] <pestilence> reisio: i don't think konsole gets its title from the prompt
[09:28] <Razor-X> balistic2: none whatsoever?
[09:28] <Razor-X> I thought you said you had an external one
[09:28] <balistic2> not on the lap top
[09:28] <balistic2> no i said i couldnt findone
[09:29] <Razor-X> ahhh
[09:29] <Razor-X> hold on then
[09:29] <onur> f_newton, i am trying to install eclipse. It has no such problems i know
[09:29] <pestilence> reisio: ok, so the *title* of the window changes to the prompt.  but not the *tab name*
[09:29] <f_newton> usually if its a modern build on a noarch platform tarball you can get it to work
[09:29] <balistic2> yeah cuz i read the knopix and i wasnt sure whaty ou wanted me to do lol
[09:29] <reisio> pestilence: the tab name usually becomes the title
[09:29] <f_newton> onur try to see if there is a deb package on the eclipse web site
[09:29] <reisio> pestilence: but however it works, I'm sure you can do it with Konsole
[09:29] <pestilence> reisio: ok.
[09:29] <reisio> pestilence: try what that page I linked you says
[09:30] <znh> how to mount a floppy drive without readonly?
[09:30] <pestilence> reisio: i already have a bashrc that changes the window title based on the path...but the tab names dont' change
[09:30] <Razor-X> balistic2: I also suggest that you install Flubox as your WM, if the laptop is that old
[09:30] <Razor-X> not Fluxbox, but XFce rather ;)
[09:30] <balistic2> yeah i like xfce
[09:30] <znh> someone tell me please, it's important
[09:30] <onur> f_newton,  there's not
[09:30] <balistic2> xfce kicks ass
[09:30] <balistic2> but the thing is i plan to put this comp as part of the network
[09:30] <Razor-X> balistic2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/Netboot
[09:30] <balistic2> so i can use it for music storage and stuff
[09:30] <f_newton> well try the tarball. is there a gz or bz2?
[09:31] <reisio> pestilence: maybe check preferences or something
[09:31] <onur> f_newton, in general suppose that i have a source code. is the convetional "make install" smart way to do it
[09:31] <reisio> pestilence: I almost never use KDE, so I wouldn't know exactly how to do it, but I would be dumbfounded if it couldn't
[09:31] <f_newton> if yo know how to "make" a package sure...
[09:31] <balistic2> razor-x, my mom was telling me about a netboot but i wasnt sure about it.. do i need floppyys?
[09:32] <onur> f_newton, there's a tarball but eclipse is a java application you just download and run it.
[09:32] <reisio> balistic2: say what?
[09:32] <Razor-X> balistic2: one, but that should be all
[09:32] <onur> f_newton, tarball includes the binaries only
[09:32] <Razor-X> balistic2: your mom? wow, she's more knowledgeable than mine ;)
[09:32] <f_newton> the binaries are what makes the program work
[09:32] <balistic2> razor-x, my moms a systems admin and unix consultant for hbo
[09:33] <f_newton> source code is for building
[09:33] <onur> f_newton, for other tarballs you say that i should try to build a package rather than compiling it in te convetional way ?
[09:33] <f_newton> onur for tarballs I just tar -zxvf filename
[09:33] <onur> f_newton, then ?
[09:33] <f_newton> it installs
[09:33] <f_newton> some are sh scripts
[09:33] <psychonate> I don't even think you need the "-" anymore
[09:33] <Razor-X> balistic2: holy shit ;), why are you in this channel then?
[09:34] <onur> f_newton,  configure, make make install ?
[09:34] <f_newton> onur ... you have no clue do you?
[09:34] <Razor-X> unfortunately, Ubuntu doesen't have a specific netinstall
[09:34] <balistic2> razor-x, cuz shes always busy lol
[09:34] <onur> f_newton,  i didn't get what you mean
[09:34] <Razor-X> what you are doing is booting from a signal that's being sent on the network by another machine
[09:35] <f_newton> if you have a tarball, a deb pkg, or an rpm why do you need to "make"?
[09:35] <balistic2> razor-x, oh ok... so right now.. i have a corrupted windows 98 that says a bunch of shit is missing
[09:35] <dishfish> hmm... Any of YOU were present in the annual Debconf in Helsinki? On the Ubuntu side... is there a plan to ensure full compatibility with Debian packages?
[09:35] <Razor-X> you cando some real magic with netboots (like running KDE on a 486 ;)
[09:35] <Razor-X> balistic2: on this box, or on your other box?
[09:35] <balistic2> razor-x, crazy
[09:35] <reisio> balistic2: 98, yeesh
[09:35] <Razor-X> s/cando/can do/
[09:35] <balistic2> razor-x, on my small sony  vaio
[09:35] <reisio> dishfish: that is a really good question
[09:36] <Razor-X> balistic2: is that the box you want to install to?
[09:36] <balistic2> yes
[09:36] <dishfish> [running KDE on aremote host form a 486] 
[09:36] <reisio> dishfish: I'd like to know that myself
[09:36] <onur> f_newton,  but also i usually and mostly get the source code usually only this is available then what should i do ?
[09:36] <balistic2> razor-x, my sony vaio pcg c1xs
[09:36] <tahorg> Razor-X: you mean exporting X.
[09:36] <Razor-X> balistic2: hmmm, why not try an interim Live CD?
[09:36] <reisio> dishfish: if so I can stop bashing Ubuntu
[09:36] <Razor-X> tahorg: yeah, but it's still netboot magic ;)
[09:36] <balistic2> razor,x what is that
[09:36] <tahorg> Razor-X: no it isn't
[09:36] <novatux> i have problem with kubuntu, i cant see the characters in the console, sorry my english is bad
[09:36] <balistic2> razor-x, whats that
[09:36] <novatux> anybody i can help me?
[09:36] <f_newton> if it was a tarball of the source code then yes you would have to build the package, but if its the package compacted in tarball form you just need to unpack it... some need to be ./installed some need to be sh installed some install themselves after unpacking
[09:37] <Razor-X> tahorg: errr, sorry, not that, I meant Clustering *my bad*
[09:37] <dishfish> reisio, has the Shuttleworth Foundation or Canonical reported on a strategy?
[09:37] <tahorg> Razor-X: netboot can't run kde on a 486
[09:37] <Razor-X> balistic2: Linux live CDs
[09:37] <reisio> dishfish: dunno, but I'm looking
[09:37] <Razor-X> tahorg: thin client
[09:37] <tahorg> Razor-X: clustering ? :)
[09:37] <Fanskapet> hmm well well just need to find out what's bugging the smb-client then my ubuntu installation is complete :P
[09:37] <tahorg> Razor-X: thin client == exporting X :)
[09:37] <Razor-X> tahorg: yeah
[09:37] <f_newton> onur if there are installation instructions follow them
[09:37] <Razor-X> tahorg: I was clustering with that thing
[09:37] <balistic2> razor-x, arent live cds only to try it out...and even so.. i still dont have a cd drive on this vaio
[09:37] <Razor-X> (even if it was pretty shitty)
[09:37] <Razor-X> balistic2: but, your current OS is not working
[09:37] <onur> f_newton, what if it is directly binary to run. Should i download and just leave it ?
[09:38] <reisio> novatux: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Xorg_and_Fonts#What_to_do_if_the_Linux_font_in_Konsole_doesn.27t_work
[09:38] <tahorg> Razor-X: clustering is something else. sorry. :(
[09:38] <reisio> novatux: see if that helps
[09:38] <dishfish> I think that by uniting the repositories between Ubuntu and Debian, we could more than double the server/developer  capacity, and as well import software that is not yet present in the both distros
[09:38] <f_newton> the binary is the actual program itself
[09:38] <novatux> thanks reisio
[09:38] <tahorg> Razor-X: clustering is sharing the computing power between machines.
[09:38] <Razor-X> tahorg: exactly
[09:38] <jono> when I use apt-get build-dep <package> it says that the dependencies could not be satisfied, but it works on another machine, how can I find out which packages are screwing up?
[09:38] <f_newton> you usually have binary and source
[09:38] <Razor-X> tahorg: that's what I was using netbooting for
[09:38] <dishfish> We could do magic in the custom distribution -field
[09:38] <tahorg> ok
[09:38] <reisio> novatux: will be differentish, but perhaps it will give you a notion of what's wrong
[09:39] <damneinstien> does anyone have any experience with cpufreqd on centrino?
[09:39] <onur> f_newton, yeah i know. I mean suppose that  i want that (binary) program available system wide and can be uninstalled just like packes then what should i do
[09:39] <Razor-X> balistic2: if you really want to ditch Ubuntu (which I think is solid any way you use it), then Debian's netinstall is nice
[09:39] <onur> packes = packages
[09:39] <Razor-X> oh wait, you can't use a Live CD........... :(
[09:39] <dishfish> me has fallen in love with Transmeta Efficeon, so if you ask me of any other processor -except of my secret mistress pteron.. dunno
[09:39] <f_newton> uninstalled?
[09:40] <novatux> ok reisio
[09:40] <jono> anyone?
[09:40] <Razor-X> balistic2: if you have the time, install a basic Debian netinstall, and install Ubuntu from there
[09:40] <f_newton> to uninstall find the file location in the directory and rm it
[09:40] <onur> f_newton, you can uninstall the packages right ?
[09:40] <f_newton> if you used a package manager like apt or yum or the like yes
[09:40] <Razor-X> balistic2: you will simply install Debian, then changes the sources.list entries to the corresponding Ubuntu entries, then ``sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop''
[09:40] <Razor-X> f_newton: yum, ewww
[09:41] <f_newton> if you used a manual installation like a tarball you still can uninstall it but you have to do that manually as well
[09:41] <onur> f_newton,  i am just trying to figure out a general smart policy in my mind  to install  various types program
[09:41] <f_newton> yeah yum is the reason Im here Razor-X
[09:41] <balistic2> omg.. im so confused
[09:41] <Razor-X> on an RPM distro, I _have_ to use apt-rpm
[09:41] <balistic2> Razor-x, You mean install with floppys
[09:41] <yhager> anyone has experience with NetworkManager?
[09:41] <f_newton> onur smart is to use the approved repos only
[09:41] <Pegasos989> Tm komento lukee kyll ubuntuguiden sivuilla, mutta se vain kuulostaa niin pelottavalta, ett tytyy tarkistaa... Eikai "killall gnome-panel" tee mitn pahaa? :(
[09:41] <f_newton> yeah yhager
[09:41] <dishfish> reisio can you msg me if you find anything from the Debian-Ubuntu compatibility, cos i'd neerd it in importing stuff in the next release of Skolelinux http://www.skolelinux.org/portal
[09:41] <onur> f_newton, but forexample there is no way to use eclipse through repos
[09:41] <yhager> f_newton, together with resolvconf?
[09:41] <balistic2> Razor-x, i tried that.. and the first floppy worked but the second one didnt work...and i treid other floppys and it said this isnt a bootable floppy
[09:42] <Pegasos989> Shit. forgot to ask in englishj
[09:42] <Pegasos989> sry
[09:42] <f_newton> yhager, networkmanager is a gui app for managing you network connections
[09:42] <f_newton> resolv.conf is  cli
[09:42] <Razor-X> balistic2: you can use 52 floppied (like I did with my first Debian install ages ago)
[09:42] <MagiPink> Okay... flushing iptables doesn't seem to have done anything. :3
[09:42] <Pegasos989> Anyways... This command ( killall gnome-panel ) is in ubuntuguide, but it sounds so scary that I just want to check that it doesn't do anything bad, does it?
[09:42] <Razor-X> but, I suggest using a netinstall
[09:43] <Razor-X> if you have a nice, fast net connection, all will be well
[09:43] <yhager> f_newton, yeah, but does it work correctly when resolvconf is installed? I have found a patch for this, wanted to hear if you have good/bad experience with it..
[09:43] <Razor-X> your mom let you install Windows? wow
[09:43] <KamiVIP> anybody have link to winex .deb package?
[09:43] <Razor-X> if I ever have kids, I'm going to teach them Linux as their primary OS
[09:43] <MagiPink> Damn internet.
[09:43] <neiras> KamiVP - you're looking for 'cedega'
[09:43] <KamiVIP> i cant mannage to install it from source
[09:43] <f_newton> ok I dont know about that... I use network manager to maintain my connections
[09:43] <Razor-X> KamiVIP: WineX has been renamed to Cedega
[09:43] <reisio> dishfish: guess we'll just have to wait a while for the debconf ppl to speak up
[09:43] <f_newton> I know how it works and how to set up connections
[09:43] <balistic2> Razor-x, actually i was hesitant about linux, but i tried it out for a good 3 months... but now i have this new lap top...but anyways how do i do a net install
[09:43] <reisio> Razor-X: hopefully we'll have something better than Linux by then
[09:44] <KamiVIP> yep i meant cedega i tried installing it from sources but didnt worked wll
[09:44] <Razor-X> reisio: possibly
[09:44] <KamiVIP> well*
[09:44] <f_newton> MagiPink, are you using gnome?
[09:44] <Razor-X> I'm going to teach my sister emacs from 6 ;)
[09:44] <selinium_> How do you rename the pc? ie selinium@<computer name>:
[09:44] <KamiVIP> so i thought it migh work with .deb pachage
[09:44] <MagiPink> f_newton: I am indeed.
[09:44] <f_newton> onur, here is a piece of advice... get a good linux or debian in depth book and rtfm
[09:44] <onur> f_newton, suppose that i  want to install eclipse and i want it to be accessible system wide, what should i do ?
[09:45] <reisio> book?
[09:45] <office> Can anyone assist with how to make my laptop hibernate when i close my lid?
[09:45] <f_newton> just install it and if needed change the permissions
[09:45] <reisio> get a book on free software?
[09:45] <aias_> selinium, hostname <name> , and edit /etc/hostname for the next boot, iirc
[09:45] <f_newton> but it should work sys wide
[09:45] <reisio> what a waste of cash
[09:45] <office> System --> Logout --> Hibernate works as a clicking option
[09:45] <onur> f_newton, to my home directory ?
[09:45] <balistic2> Razor-x, how do i do a net install
[09:45] <onur> f_newton, to where ?
[09:45] <boazg> i have the oddest problem i've seen in a while....
[09:45] <aias_> selinium, eh, ignore me, I answered a different question
[09:45] <Razor-X> office: that depends if the laptop close registers as a keysym
[09:45] <f_newton> magipink go to system tools and choose networktools
[09:46] <Razor-X> balistic2: lemme pull you a link
[09:46] <selinium_> aias: cheers!
[09:46] <balistic2> thanks razor-x
[09:46] <f_newton> this isnt a dial up is it MagiPink ?
[09:46] <MagiPink> f_newton: No, DSL
[09:46] <boazg> no user on my computer has permissions for anything, except root. this is true only my root filesystem.
[09:46] <yhager> f_newton, trying to compile it now.. I'll let you know how it works..
[09:46] <f_newton> onur to where ever but whereever you put it remember
[09:47] <CurtinDaVern> hi there just wondering if someone could tell me the name of the modprobe utility that comes with Ubuntu?
[09:47] <f_newton> k
[09:47] <onur> f_newton, thank you for your patience
[09:47] <f_newton> MagiPink, Is it ppoe?
[09:47] <Razor-X> balistic2: here's a piece of advice
[09:47] <balistic2> ok
[09:47] <Razor-X> get a CD drive
[09:47] <balistic2> ughh..
[09:47] <Razor-X> it's relatively inexpensive
[09:47] <balistic2> lol
[09:47] <f_newton> no sweat onur I am trying to help but ive only been using ubuntu for two days
[09:47] <Razor-X> do it, even netinstalls need CDs (it sees)
[09:47] <MagiPink> f_newton: Yes, I believe so.
[09:47] <boazg> CurtinDaVern: modprobe?
[09:47] <Razor-X> s/sees/seems/
[09:47] <Razor-X> i'm guessing that your best bet is the Ubuntu netbot intall
[09:47] <Razor-X> s/intall/install/
[09:48] <boazg> CurtinDaVern: try 'modprobe'
[09:48] <f_newton> ok have you opened up network tools yet MagiPink ?
[09:48] <Razor-X> or Debian 52 floppies ;)
[09:48] <aias_> selinium, you can edit /etc/hosts; you should see your hostname at the end of the first line: after that, put yourhost.domain
[09:48] <balistic2> razor-x but my other computers have cd rom drives
[09:48] <Razor-X> balistic2: so?
[09:48] <CurtinDaVern> boazg:  well when I try and modprobe the drivers I want to try with my wifi card they say they can't be found
[09:48] <CurtinDaVern> even though I see them listed
[09:48] <f_newton> MagiPink, also are u using ethernet or wifi?
[09:48] <CurtinDaVern> some1 told me their is a util to make it easier
[09:48] <Razor-X> balistic2: by the way, does your IRC client have tab complete? it's useful, and makes your typin appear neater ;)
[09:49] <spanglesontoast> erm
[09:49] <MagiPink> f_newton: Ethernet, and I haven't opened up network tools 'cause I'm still on my windows partition. Heh.
[09:49] <spanglesontoast> can anyone help me disable a sound card?
[09:49] <Razor-X> s/typin/typing/
[09:49] <boazg> CurtinDaVern: so you dont have the drivers. apt-get install them
[09:49] <balistic2> razor-x i dont think so
[09:49] <f_newton> ah you need two machines!
[09:49] <f_newton> lol
[09:49] <Razor-X> balistic2: no tab complete?!
[09:49] <f_newton> then MagiPink let me run thru it ok?
[09:49] <Razor-X> balistic2: start typing my name, then hit <Tab>
[09:49] <Razor-X> and see what happens
[09:49] <MagiPink> Okay. :)
[09:49] <balistic2> Razor-X
[09:49] <Razor-X> there you are ;)
[09:49] <balistic2> Whoa cool
[09:49] <CurtinDaVern> boazg:  there are drivers and that's why I want to use that util and I can't d/l drivers b/c my connection is wireless not wired
[09:49] <spanglesontoast> Can anyone help me disable a sound module from running at bootup?
[09:49] <Razor-X> see how much neater that came out ;)
[09:49] <balistic2> yes very neat
[09:50] <Razor-X> none of us actually type in the names, we all use Tab Complete XD
[09:50] <CurtinDaVern> Razor-X:  nice way of teaching :D
[09:50] <balistic2> LOL
[09:50] <balistic2> oh ok
[09:50] <balistic2> Razor-X, awesome
[09:50] <CurtinDaVern> balistic2:  way to go you got it
[09:50] <balistic2> loll haha
[09:50] <balistic2> yup
[09:50] <aias_> spanglesontoast, add the module to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[09:50] <boazg> CurtinDaVern: ok... what wifi card?
[09:50] <Razor-X> believe me, it becomes reflex after a while
[09:50] <Razor-X> so reflexive that you do it in IMs ;)
[09:50] <yhager> f_newton, did you install NetworkManager from a respository (can't find any), or compiled it?
[09:50] <f_newton> after you open up nettools click on the network device tab and choose the device you have click on netstat and see if you get any data
[09:50] <spanglesontoast> how do I find out which sound module it is?
[09:50] <f_newton> it comes with it
[09:50] <balistic2> Razor-X i had another idea
[09:50] <Razor-X> anyways...., try the netinstall of Ubuntu, balistic2
[09:50] <Razor-X> balistic2: hmmm?
[09:51] <CurtinDaVern> boazg:  network everywhere nwu11b
[09:51] <MagiPink> Okay
[09:51] <balistic2> Razor-X, i figured maybe using a usbstick
[09:51] <Razor-X> balistic2: it has USB?
[09:51] <KamiVIP> !wine
[09:51] <Razor-X> you know, a USB external CDrom drive is cheaper than a USB stick ;)
[09:51] <balistic2> Razor-X, yeah
[09:51] <boazg> CurtinDaVern: and the driver for thet is?
[09:51] <Razor-X> but yeah, that's definitely possible
[09:51] <balistic2> Razor-X i have an mp3 player tha tworks as a usb stick
[09:51] <Razor-X> distros like Flonix allow that
[09:51] <spanglesontoast> how do I find out which sound modules are loaded
[09:51] <linlin> Razor-X where...
[09:52] <CurtinDaVern> boazg:  well I saw some amtel.ko amtel_cs.ko hoping they would work as that is the chipset
[09:52] <barkley> is ndiswrapper in recent breezy badger isos?
[09:52] <MagiPink> I guess I'll go do that then.
[09:52] <caturOK> helooo
[09:52] <boazg> CurtinDaVern: and do they?
[09:52] <caturOK> help me pls
[09:52] <Razor-X> linlin: hmmmm?
[09:52] <f_newton> yhager, do you have the network icon in the upper task bar?
[09:52] <aias_> spanglesontoast, I assume the module that you don't want is loading?
[09:52] <spanglesontoast> yep
[09:52] <linlin> nevermind
[09:52] <f_newton> spanglesontoast, welcome
[09:52] <caturOK> why my scanner couldnot detect
[09:52] <balistic2> razor-x, so if i pout the whole ubuntu cd on a usbstick... could i install like that
[09:53] <spanglesontoast> yes newton
[09:53] <yhager> f_newton, no, I haven't installed it yet..
[09:53] <caturOK> why my umax 2500 couldnot detect
[09:53] <CurtinDaVern> boazg:  like I mentioned I get a module not found when using modprobe
[09:53] <Razor-X> see, the reason I logged off, is because I had to type your name (balistic2) without tab complete XD
[09:53] <boazg> CurtinDaVern: i mean, what does 'modprobe amtel' do?
[09:53] <Razor-X> balistic2: ahhh, it's possible, but difficult
[09:53] <CurtinDaVern> boazg:  module not found
[09:53] <aias_> spanglesontoast, then lsmod | grep snd will get you a few modules; the first one is probably the one you want to blacklist
[09:53] <spanglesontoast> ty
[09:53] <balistic2> Razor-X ill change my nick
[09:53] <Razor-X> what size USB stick do you have, balistic2 ?
[09:53] <codius> uhm.. is it possible to view and use files from windows in ubuntu (mp3/avi), if so, how to find them?
[09:53] <boazg> CurtinDaVern: but they are there?
[09:53] <Razor-X> B22: no no, it's fine ;)
[09:53] <B22> Razor-X, 1gb
[09:53] <f_newton>  yhager i am at a loss... it should be there by default
[09:53] <caturOK> :(
[09:53] <Razor-X> B22: awesome
[09:53] <caturOK> help me plzzzz
[09:53] <B22> so is that ok
[09:54] <caturOK> why my umax 2500 couldnot detect
[09:54] <CurtinDaVern> boazg:  http://linux_wless.passys.nl/query_part.php?brandname=Network+Everywhere&zoek=SHOW shows that it works under linux
[09:54] <B22> Razor-X, would an ipod do the trick as well
[09:54] <CurtinDaVern> boazg:  yes I can see the files under file explorer
[09:54] <Razor-X> B22: I think we can get this working (with a little research), and I think i'll write a wiki guide on it
[09:54] <f_newton> I think its called network settings in ubuntu
[09:54] <Razor-X> B22: as long as it can store files, yeah
[09:54] <CurtinDaVern> boazg:  even when i cd over to the directory
[09:54] <CurtinDaVern> boazg:  and dir they are shown
[09:54] <Razor-X> iPods can run Linux, ya know?
[09:54] <B22> Razor-X yes i know
[09:54] <My_Umax_Problem> help me plzzzz
[09:54] <pax> http://www.ninux.net/files/foo.png <- this is how your ubuntu should look like :D
[09:54] <boazg> CurtinDaVern: try insmod
[09:55] <CurtinDaVern> boazg:  what is that?
[09:55] <B22> My_Umax_Problem look at the topoc =)
[09:55] <My_Umax_Problem> hm
[09:55] <B22> *topic
[09:55] <boazg> CurtinDaVern: like modprobe but take a full path
[09:55] <CurtinDaVern> k brb
[09:55] <yhager> f_newton, ok. I'll take a step back and check this out..
[09:55] <My_Umax_Problem> what the
[09:55] <B22> Razor-X do you have aim
[09:55] <My_Umax_Problem> but i'm know so confused
[09:55] <difeta> where can i  find packages for network-manager?
[09:56] <yhager> f_newton, you mean 'Network Monitor' ?
[09:56] <magdeburger> cute icons @ pax oO
[09:56] <f_newton> yeah... same thing
[09:56] <sexcopter8000m> hmmm, how can i restart alsa? do i need to reboot?
[09:56] <KamiVIP> hum
[09:56] <KamiVIP> any ideas why i get 'Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server' when i try to run synatic, firefox or wish?
[09:56] <f_newton> if its the configuration tool yhager
[09:56] <CurtinDaVern> boazg:  invalid symbol in module
[09:56] <CurtinDaVern> boazg:  are you ok if I PM you?
[09:57] <aias_> KamiVIP, are you trying to run them from a root terminal?
[09:57] <f_newton> I am still feeling my way around ubuntu yhager `
[09:57] <Razor-X> B22: i'm actually going through some docs now
[09:57] <boazg> CurtinDaVern: ok
[09:57] <B22> Razor-X ok
[09:57] <pax> thankies _mage_afk :-)
[09:57] <KamiVIP> aias_, as user
[09:57] <Razor-X> B22: can your laptop boot from the USB stick?
[09:57] <linlin> how do i add a launcher to my gnome menu?
[09:57] <KamiVIP> aias_,  but it's same if i run it with sudo
[09:58] <f_newton> to the menu or the desktop?
[09:58] <yhager> f_newton, Thanks.. I'll look around.
[09:58] <B22> Razor-X, i have no idea...
[09:58] <f_newton> yeah well i know im not much help yhager
[09:58] <anacron> any ideas how to run vice?
[09:58] <aias_> KamiVIP, then, there's something wrong with ~/.Xauthority, if you are actually in a normal terminal. I'm no authority on that, tho
[09:58] <B22> Razor-X, i just know the damn thing has a usb slot
[09:58] <Razor-X> B22: arrghhh, I have to go
[09:58] <Razor-X> I can't help for a while
[09:59] <KamiVIP> alias_ thanks
[09:59] <Razor-X> try this http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en
[09:59] <barkley> is ndiswrapper in recent breezy badger isos?
[09:59] <B22> bah..
[09:59] <B22> ok
[09:59] <Fanskapet> barkley why do you wonder that?
[09:59] <aias_> barkley, yes
[09:59] <Fanskapet> just download and compile
[10:00] <aias_> at least colony 2
[10:00] <barkley> Fanskapet: because i need it
[10:00] <barkley> aias_: thanks
[10:01] <Fanskapet> barkley well as i said just download and compile it
[10:01] <Fanskapet> works just great
[10:01] <aias_> barkley, according to my cache, it's 1.1
[10:01] <Fanskapet> im using it here right now playing mp3 over samba
[10:01] <izmaelis> how should i convert from ntfs to fat32 without data loss?
[10:02] <dvsoftware> is there a way to make scroll on touchpad work?
[10:02] <windex> izmaelis, to my knowledge there is no microsoft-provided utility for doing what you just said. you may be able to back up the filesystem entirely and use the windows recovery console on it after it's restored, but it's a long shot.
[10:02] <spanglesontoast> why does it say I need something called e2fsck?
[10:02] <izmaelis> so i must use something like Partition Magic (-
[10:02] <alnr> just tried installing gmailfs and hit the apparently well-known error fusermount:old style mounting not supported, is there a remedy for this?
[10:03] <f_newton> izmaelis, there is a fat to ntfs but NOT the other way around
[10:03] <boazg> is anyone apt enough to assist me...
[10:03] <f_newton> ntfs is a superior fs to fat and fat32
[10:03] <windex> spanglesontoast, that's a disk checking program. it finds filesystem errors. if your machine is booting up and says it needs to run e2fsck, that's because the system has determined there may be errors.
[10:03] <f_newton> apt... lol
[10:03] <dvsoftware> izmaelis, if you need ntfs write support, i used captive-ntfs long time ago, which did the job
[10:03] <boazg> note the pun...
[10:03] <f_newton> yeah I did
[10:03] <spanglesontoast> well it's just I left the data from fedora in my home partition
[10:03] <Seveas> dvsoftware, did you get it to work on Ubuntu..?
[10:04] <spanglesontoast> I mean
[10:04] <f_newton> whats the problem boazg ?
[10:04] <spanglesontoast> I had my users files as a home partition
[10:04] <spanglesontoast> etc
[10:04] <spanglesontoast> how do I fix it?
[10:04] <windex> izmaelis, if partition magic will do it, more power to id.
[10:04] <boazg> no user on my computer has permissions for anything, except root. this is true only my root filesystem.
[10:04] <windex> izmaelis, , er, it.
[10:04] <f_newton> spanglesontoast, if you are using the same fs it should read them fine
[10:04] <izmaelis> i'm thinking about switching from win os to linux, so I will need to convert all my data
[10:04] <spanglesontoast> I'm using ext3
[10:04] <dvsoftware> Seveas, that was on mandrake errm... two years ago
[10:04] <f_newton> data NOT apps
[10:04] <Seveas> :)
[10:05] <spanglesontoast> yea just data like pics
[10:05] <windex> izmaelis, if you have partition magic, you can just shrink the NTFS partition down to a size that will allow you to share disk space with ubuntu.
[10:05] <spanglesontoast> and songs
[10:05] <asfra> I want to try to install ubuntu on an old computer that doesn't boot automatically from cd, can I then work magic with a floppy and start the cd
[10:05] <f_newton> spanglesontoast, thats the fedora default and the ubuntu default
[10:05] <spanglesontoast> I thought it would just be fine
[10:05] <spanglesontoast> although I do have some zipped old programs
[10:05] <f_newton> and you do have a seperate partition for your /home right?
[10:06] <bretzel> Hello -:) Can someone tell how the sensors in gdesklets poll the data ( lmsensors/sensors ? ) ?
[10:06] <f_newton> so you could manually partition and keep the home dir
[10:06] <windex> izmaelis, NTFS is better than fat32 under windows, it's just that linux support for ntfs is best used read-only, since the filesystem isin't very predictable.
[10:06] <dvsoftware> nobody knows how to fix scroll on touchpad?
[10:06] <DRPAS> does anybody can help me configuring a VIA/S3G UniChrome Graphics card for X
[10:06] <linlin> dvsoftware, thats kind of proprietary, i dont think you'll have much luck with that
[10:06] <dvsoftware> windex, i thought that write support is quite safe now
[10:06] <spanglesontoast> erm
[10:06] <spanglesontoast> yea newton
[10:06] <spanglesontoast> it's already on a partition
[10:06] <spanglesontoast> called /home
[10:06] <f_newton> boazg, do what now?
[10:06] <f_newton> is this ubuntu/
[10:06] <spanglesontoast> just I got rid of fedora
[10:06] <f_newton> ?
[10:07] <boazg> i give up
[10:07] <spanglesontoast> and left the data preserved
[10:07] <f_newton> have you been messing with the root acct?
[10:07] <DRPAS> does anybody can help me configuring a VIA/S3G UniChrome Graphics card for X
[10:07] <windex> dvsoftware, it is, but it only supports modifying existing files, and those files can not grow larger than their original size.
[10:07] <linlin> dvsoftware, do you have a synaptics touch pad?
[10:07] <DRPAS> does anyone knows the server for this card  VIA/S3G UniChrome Graphics for xfree86?
[10:07] <f_newton> I do and it sux with linux] 
[10:07] <aias_> boazg, do you mean, you want to edit something outside of /home/boazg, and can't?
[10:07] <windex> dvsoftware, if you want to call that an improvement over 'read only', anyway. :)
[10:07] <linlin> dvsoftware, maybe try this http://freshmeat.net/projects/synaptics/
[10:08] <radiodog> hey, do i have to download codecs for Totem to play divx...or even mp3?
[10:08] <raDeon> yes radiodog
[10:08] <linlin> radiodog, use mplayer
[10:08] <nJess> DRPAS, use vesa
[10:08] <raDeon> radiodog, www.ubuntuguide.org
[10:08] <|rockinnerd|> wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:09] <mwerner> dvsoftware, I have a Synaptics. What do you mean with "scroll"? The scroll buttons?
[10:09] <f_newton> oh wait I have an alps duh..
[10:10] <deprave_> i've noticed when i copy files from cdrom to a directory, if a file already exists ubuntu still copies the file and it is basicly duplicated, is there a flag for cp that won't copy the same file over?
[10:10] <DRPAS> how do i configure X in my warty ubuntu please?
[10:11] <izmaelis> ot: after spending lots of time with linux i noticed that hardware that works with linux is better than hardware that works only with win
[10:11] <spanglesontoast> erm
[10:11] <izmaelis> sound cards, video cards etc.
[10:11] <spanglesontoast> how can I fix
[10:11] <spanglesontoast> stuff
[10:11] <deprave_> haha
[10:11] <deprave_> spanglesontoast: kick the stuff
[10:11] <bretzel> Can someone tell how the sensors in gdesklets poll the data ( lmsensors/sensors ? ) ?
[10:12] <DRPAS> how do i configure X in my warty ubuntu please?
[10:12] <f_newton>  whats the matter MagiPink ?
[10:12] <Razor-X> B22: you there?
[10:12] <f_newton> still no connect?
[10:12] <|rockinnerd|> Danger Will Robinson!
[10:12] <MagiPink> Nope. :3
[10:12] <spanglesontoast> how do I reset permissions for my user so they can have control of everything in the home dir
[10:12] <spanglesontoast> they have been set
[10:12] <deprave_> MagiPink : why so blue?
[10:12] <deprave_> hehehe
[10:12] <izmaelis> DRPAS, isn't it configured during install?
[10:13] <MagiPink> My Ubuntu won't connect to the internet anymore, deprave_~
[10:13] <aias_> spanglesontoast, log out of gnome, switch to a tty (ctl-alt-f1), drop to single user mode (telinit 1), umount the /home partition, then e2fsck /dev/<home>
[10:13] <chad> "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" in shell?
[10:13] <spanglesontoast> ah
[10:13] <aias_> spanglesontoast, then when done, telinit 2 to get back to normal
[10:13] <icewt> chad, maybe it's easier to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:13] <spanglesontoast> erm
[10:13] <f_newton> lol
[10:13] <chad> ok
[10:13] <spanglesontoast> let me just write that down
[10:13] <spanglesontoast> so dev is the hard drive the home partition is on?
[10:14] <icewt> chad, find Section "Sceen" there
[10:14] <kemik> MagiPink:  what does ifconfig say?
[10:14] <f_newton> me I just open up the directory right click on the folder choose properties and then permissions and I change them there
[10:14] <kemik> MagiPink:  do you have dhcp-assignemnt of ip-addy?
[10:14] <icewt> chad, i mean, "Screen"
[10:14] <aias_> spanglesontoast, yes, /dev/whatever your home partition is
[10:14] <anacron> does anyone have a clue why gaim is transfering files so slow?
[10:14] <MagiPink> kemik: I can go check to see what it says... and no, I don't believe I do.
[10:14] <f_newton> dev is the device
[10:14] <kemik> MagiPink:  so you've got static ip?
[10:14] <spanglesontoast> what about the weird permissions
[10:15] <f_newton> /dev/hda/home/whatever
[10:15] <chad> how do i start from console? gedit  /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[10:15] <icewt> sudo gedit ...
[10:15] <f_newton> wow thats pretty nice to have a static ip
[10:15] <kemik> chad:  dont forget "sudo"
[10:15] <MagiPink> kemik: Uh... I... don't know. :3
[10:15] <f_newton> assume its dhcp MagiPink
[10:15] <kemik> MagiPink:  you really should know, but i guess its DHCP if you have no idea ;)
[10:15] <DRPAS> need help about VIA/S3G UniChrome Graphics and X
[10:15] <DRPAS> please!
[10:15] <kemik> MagiPink:  do "ifconfig -a"
[10:15] <aias_> spanglesontoast, a different issue, that's because ext3 saves user and group identification as numbers; the numbers are not mapped correctly for your ubuntu users
[10:16] <MagiPink> I'll do that the next time I work up the energy to change over to the other partition. :3
[10:16] <Spudchat> i saw in knoppix where you can import ntfs drivers from a windows partition so you can read and write realiably to ntfs filesystems
[10:16] <Spudchat> can you do that in ubuntu
[10:16] <sky__> how come i can't install gnomp3?
[10:16] <spanglesontoast> ok
[10:16] <spanglesontoast> I go do that thing
[10:16] <spanglesontoast> be back soon
[10:17] <codius> does ubuntu support ntfs?
[10:17] <kemik> Spudchat:  sure its "reliable" ?
[10:17] <kemik> codius:  reading; yes, writing; not recommended
[10:17] <izmaelis> codius, look for captive
[10:17] <f_newton> lol ms hardly supports ntfs
[10:17] <Spudchat> well thats what knoppix says so i dunno
[10:17] <izmaelis> f_newton, what do you mean?
[10:17] <Spudchat> well just so i dont have to format and lose everything
[10:17] <kemik> MagiPink:  gives up what? you've not even tried
[10:17] <f_newton> humor izmaelis
[10:17] <sky__> somehow ubuntu cant finde the package "gnomp3"..
[10:18] <Spudchat> no possibility to move the data as my laptop has only one hdd
[10:18] <chad> i see only 3 diffrent resolutions in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:18] <kemik> Spudchat:  im not sure, but cant you convert ntfs to fat32 in partition magic ?
[10:18] <f_newton> kemik he is having to go back n forth between his windows partition to connect and his ubuntu to make changes
[10:18] <MagiPink> I'm just lazy right now and tired of switching back and forth so many times. xD I'll try again later.
[10:18] <Spudchat> interesting....ill have to look into that
[10:19] <aias_> sky__, it's in the universe section, maybe you need to fix your sources.list
[10:19] <f_newton> it is getting frustrating Im sure
[10:19] <icewt> chad, add a new one there
[10:19] <chad> k
[10:19] <codius> kemik, When I'm mounting my ntfs hdd it seems like it works, but the content is "unreadable"
[10:19] <MagiPink> I think I screwed it up with guarddog. :3
[10:19] <f_newton> kemik wow partition magic must have come a long way
[10:20] <metalhedd> I've got my NAT/Router working, running gentoo, however the only problem I have is that when a machine gets an IP using DHCP the resolv.conf file of that machine is replaced with references to the router as a nameserver, if I copy the resolv.conf from the router and place it on the machine in question, it works fine. How can I make the dhcp server give the correct DNS Information to the machines on the lan? I kn
[10:20] <kemik> codius:  its mounted as "Read Only" and most likely as "root" too
[10:20] <kemik> codius:  try mount your ntfs partition and in a terminal do "sudo nautilus" then go browse the mounted folder
[10:21] <kemik> codius:  if you can read it, then it's just a matter of mounting it as a certain user or group
[10:21] <kemik> f_newton:  it has
[10:21] <chad> Modes		 "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" hope this is right
[10:21] <LasseL> is it me or does the fonts look slightly different after last system update?
[10:21] <codius> how can I access it then? (used: mount -t ntfs /dev/hda5/ /mnt/)
[10:21] <kemik> f_newton:  and i googled it, PM can convert NTFS->FAT32
[10:21] <aias_> chad, that's a usable modes line
[10:21] <f_newton> that is a big leap forward kemik
[10:21] <spanglesontoast> ok
[10:21] <kemik> codius:  "sudo nautilus" and go browse /mnt
[10:22] <spanglesontoast> it fold me to get a newer version of e2fsck
[10:22] <icewt> chad, and you added it to all the subsections?
[10:22] <spanglesontoast> *told
[10:22] <chad> ill do that
[10:22] <f_newton> ah...
[10:22] <kemik> f_newton:  PM is quite cool.. even tho im a bit superstitous about resizing and converting partitions ;)
[10:22] <aias_> spanglesontoast, eh
[10:22] <f_newton> I dont
[10:22] <f_newton> I use nothing but linux partitions
[10:22] <spanglesontoast> that's what it said
[10:22] <f_newton> on linux machines
[10:23] <kemik> f_newton:  unfortunately im stuck with a ntfs partition, dualbooting.. even tho i spend 95% of my time in linux
[10:23] <aias_> spanglesontoast, I've never run fedora, so I have no Idea why it would say that
[10:23] <f_newton> I used to have to until I got cxoffice
[10:23] <spanglesontoast> hmm
[10:23] <Spudchat> you think i can use wine to run partition magic?
[10:23] <spanglesontoast> I could install k3b
[10:23] <spanglesontoast> burn what I need
[10:23] <f_newton> now the only winapp I have to use is in there
[10:23] <kemik> f_newton:  there just isnt a GOOD ftp program for linux... i've been messing with GTK now to write my own, but Glade isnt playing along with me
[10:23] <f_newton> filezilla?
[10:23] <f_newton> whats wrong with that?
[10:24] <f_newton> or just type ftp in console
[10:24] <MagiPink> So... I should go... ifconfig -a or someething~ :3
[10:24] <kemik> filezilla supports Fxp and sll ?
[10:24] <chad> now "1280x1024" is on all sub sec..save and try change res..or is it more to this?
[10:24] <kemik> f_newton:  preferably a gui-based ssl & fxp client, not "ftp" :P
[10:24] <aias_> spanglesontoast, or, if you have enough space on another partition, just move the data there temporarily
[10:24] <f_newton> ssh?
[10:24] <icewt> chad, i think you must restart x or something
[10:24] <MagiPink> BRB
[10:24] <aias_> although, "back up early, back up often" ;)
[10:24] <kemik> MagiPink:  yea to see if you got a ip-adress at all, if you dont, you can try "dhcp -i eth0" (if your networkcard is eth0)
[10:25] <levander> I'm getting errors from graveman and one of the things I've noticed is that it still thinks I have my old CD burner on my machine even though I tool it off and replaced it with a new DVD burner.  Anybody know how to change this?
[10:25] <chad> killall/kill nautilus?
[10:25] <f_newton> I just stop when some one says no good linux app for a win alternative
[10:25] <kemik> codius:  able to browse your foldeR?
[10:25] <chad> <N00B :)
[10:26] <kemik> f_newton:  you cant SSh into a ftp and find that convenient
[10:26] <icewt> chad, log out and press ctrl+alt+backspace
[10:26] <chad> aright
[10:26] <aias_> chad, ctl-alt-backspace kills X; it's best to see icewt
[10:26] <sun_> hi anyone know a commandline program that can convert gif->ps?
[10:26] <kemik> f_newton:  what i want essentially for linux is sort of like "flashfxp" :)
[10:26] <CurtinDaVern> Razor-X:  you around?
[10:26] <kemik> f_newton:  there's pftp by hoe, but it doesnt support recursive get
[10:26] <sun_> hi anyone know a commandline program that can convert gif->ps?
[10:27] <kemik> sun_:  try google, it may know ;)
[10:27] <f_newton> I guess my needs are simple
[10:27] <f_newton> I use ftp rarely
[10:27] <mrknisely> Anyone seen how google can do math for you?
[10:27] <f_newton> but filezilla works for me
[10:27] <kemik> sun_:  http://hepunx.rl.ac.uk/~adye/gifconv.html <-- first hit on google
[10:28] <CurtinDaVern> I am hoping someone can help me get my wireless network card working as I have only a wireless connection on my Ubuntu computer and have to keep on running back and forth between rooms here
[10:28] <sky__> thx aias_
[10:28] <holycow> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-26567.html  <-- pretty good tutorial for anyone fighting with sound issues
[10:28] <kemik> f_newton:  if filezilla supports SSL i'm happy for now =)
[10:28] <kemik> holycow:  i'm hoping breezy will solve all those soundissues
[10:28] <f_newton> check it out n see kemik the web site should tell you
[10:29] <kemik> f_newton:  already there ;)
[10:29] <f_newton> I use simple ftp for my sites
[10:29] <aias_> sky__, np
[10:29] <kemik> the sites im on are ssl-enforced... cant get in withoutit ;)
[10:29] <f_newton> passive?
[10:29] <aias_> rofl, sound issues fixed
[10:29] <kemik> f_newton:  ssl = secure socket layer, not the same thing as being behind a firewall ;)
[10:30] <Gourami> hi all, has anyone heard of a mud client called tintin ?
[10:30] <CurtinDaVern> kemik:  how long have you been using Ubuntu?
[10:30] <kemik> CurtinDaVern:  since uhm, mars ?
[10:30] <cohonen> where can i get a mplayer package for ubuntu ???
[10:30] <f_newton> ive been using it for two days CurtinDaVern does that count?
[10:30] <kemik> CurtinDaVern:  im not using a wireless lan card, but you want ndiswrapper im sure
[10:30] <CurtinDaVern> kemik:  would you be interested in helping me get my wireless NIC setup as I'm a one day old user
[10:30] <kemik> !ndiswrapper
[10:30] <ubotu> methinks ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[10:30] <CurtinDaVern> kemik:  nope didn't work
[10:30] <achilles__> I have scsi problems. The scsi card is recognized, the scsi zip dirve works. BUT my two scannes are not available. They do not appear under /dev.  Whee is the problem?
[10:31] <holycow> kemik, yeah but ubuntu cannot do anything about each app wanting to use a different sound system, or sound co's not opening up their drivers
[10:31] <f_newton> what is the wifi card CurtinDaVern ?
[10:31] <holycow> :/
[10:31] <kemik> CurtinDaVern:  then you're out of luck with me
[10:31] <crashd> heh
[10:31] <crashd> im having wifi problems too :\
[10:31] <levander> I'm getting image to big errors from gnomebaker.  There's any way to tell it I want to burn to a DVD and not a CD?
[10:31] <CurtinDaVern> f_newton:  network everywhere nwu11b
[10:31] <Gourami> no one heard of a mud client called tintin ?
[10:31] <kemik> cohonen:  in universe, or www.mplayerhq.com and compile from source
[10:31] <kemik> !tell cohonen about mplayer
[10:31] <knowledge> guys, I'm trying to access http://www.prohopper.com (after installing flash) and now it won't load...it hangs at 'transfering data from...'
[10:31] <f_newton> CurtinDaVern, do you know what chipset/driver it uses?
[10:31] <knowledge> can anything be done about this?
[10:32] <CurtinDaVern> f_newton:  can I pm ya?
[10:32] <f_newton> I guess
[10:32] <Heijmen> knowledge: site works for me (flash and all)
[10:32] <CurtinDaVern> f_newton:  just easier for me to keep up as I have a mental illness and I'd appreciate it
[10:32] <knowledge> Heijmen, damn...that sucks
[10:32] <CurtinDaVern> if it's ok?
[10:33] <hs> cohonen: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mplayer
[10:33] <f_newton> ok fine
[10:33] <kemik> knowledge:  works here aswell
[10:33] <knowledge> so something definately wrong on my end
[10:33] <achilles__> Can anyone help me with my scsi problem?
[10:33] <knowledge> just when I need to place an order for my car....this blows
[10:33] <knowledge> anyone know what can be done?
[10:33] <kemik> knowledge:  try other flashsites, perhaps that site is just inaccessible to your ISP at the moment
[10:33] <catolh> Does anyone have any experience in getting Tv out to work properly with an ATI card? I've installed the latest fglrx drivers from ati.com. And i get a clone image on my Monitor and my TV. But my real problem is that i dont get any Video on the tv-screen with mplayer, I've also tried to set my "second monitor" to primary in the ATI control panel that was included in the fglrx package, but it reverts to default if i restart X (It tell's me to
[10:33] <catolh> restart X). Im pretty lost here right now, and i hope one of you guys could lead me in the right direction.
[10:34] <chadz> dint help..dont see any new resolutions
[10:34] <knowledge> aha
[10:34] <knowledge> kemik, would that cause firefox to stop responding?
[10:34] <spanglesontoast> is there a place where things get stored before they get deleted
[10:35] <spanglesontoast> or if you delete them with rm using root
[10:35] <spanglesontoast> are they gone forever?
[10:35] <aias_> spanglesontoast, no, they are history
[10:35] <icewt> chadz, hm.. the resolutions you added are still in the config file?
[10:35] <kemik> knowledge:  no ;) that seems to be something else... restarted firefox ?
[10:35] <spanglesontoast> *************!
[10:35] <knowledge> kemik, more than enough times
[10:35] <chadz> /etc/...? hehe
[10:35] <kemik> knowledge:  remove the flashplugin adn firefox and try again ?
[10:36] <icewt> chadz, etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:36] <chadz> ty
[10:37] <aias_> spanglesontoast, you can try unmounting that partition NOW; then reading about recover and e2undel
[10:38] <aias_> spanglesontoast, they didn't work for me, but maybe they will for you if you avoid any changes to that partition
[10:38] <cohonen> thx hs
[10:38] <wajokki> some one speak finnish?
[10:39] <levander> "On the fly burning" means that the application doesn't create an iso image on your hard disk before burning it to your cd?
[10:39] <chadz> Modes		"1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" still there
[10:39] <icewt> wajokki, mene #ubuntu-fi
[10:39] <icewt> chadz, well then, you could always try to restart your whole computer. don't know whether it makes any difference.
[10:39] <chadz> restart comp?
[10:39] <chadz> heh
[10:39] <chadz> ok
[10:39] <icewt> :)
[10:40] <levander> Do I have to format a DVD-R before I write data to it?
[10:40] <spanglesontoast> nope
[10:40] <spanglesontoast> gonna start from a fresh
[10:41] <levander> spanglesontoast: you talking to me?
[10:42] <spanglesontoast> no
[10:42] <spanglesontoast> aias
[10:42] <knowledge> kem
[10:43] <f_newton> hit the wrong button
[10:43] <knowledge> kemik, I got the site working, but can you go to it and tell me if you see the text in the corner (bottom left) where it says "ride of the day"?
[10:43] <kemik> knowledge:  i didnt
[10:43] <knowledge> you didn't see the text?
[10:43] <f_newton> Razor-X is pretty sharp CurtinDaVern
[10:43] <CurtinDaVern> f_newton:  ty
[10:44] <f_newton> for a kde userw
[10:44] <levander> Anybody know a dvd burning application that burns "on the fly"?
[10:44] <f_newton> lol
[10:44] <CurtinDaVern> no pun intended ;)
[10:44] <Heijmen> levander: k3b?
[10:44] <kemik> knowledge:  Ride of the day i see, but no more in that bo
[10:44] <kemik> knowledge:  box
[10:44] <knowledge> kemik, cool...thanks...
[10:44] <levander> Heijmen: how about one I don't have to load all the kde libraries for?
[10:44] <chad> damn..didnt help
[10:44] <levander> Heijmen: on the fly burning means that it doesn't right an iso to your hard disk before burning it to the dvd?
[10:45] <gehel2> levander, right !
[10:45] <chad> hmm.. i havent downloaded any drivers from nvidia.com tho..
[10:45] <chad> do i have to?
[10:46] <levander> gehel2: know an application for ubuntu that does on the fly burning?  I'd really rather not use k3b so I don't have to load all the kde libraries.
[10:46] <Heijmen> levander: gnomebaker?
[10:46] <gehel2> levander, should I assume you want a graphical front end ?
[10:47] <levander> Heijmen: I'm getting errors from gnomebaker saying "files to big" when I select the files I want to burn.  I think it thinks I want to burn a CD and not a DVD.  It's restrict the size to DVD size limits.
[10:47] <gehel2> levander, there is xcdroast, but I think it does only audio cds
[10:47] <levander> gehel2: yeah, for what I'm doing now, definitely want a GUI
[10:47] <Heijmen> how big's the file?
[10:48] <levander> Heijmen: wanna burn 4.3 GB.  I've done it with nautilus, but waiting for it to make a temporary iso just takes so long.
[10:48] <gehel2> levander, there is something like gtoaster, or gnome toaster ... but I usually burn from command line ...
[10:49] <Heijmen> levander: i don't use gnomebaker myself so not sure why it doesn't accept it :(
[10:49] <gehel2> levander, if it's just burning one file, it's probably easier to do it from CL
[10:50] <levander> gehel2: I may just do that.  cdrecord though, from what I understand doesn't burn to dvds.  And there are a few different packages you can install to burn dvds.  You know which one is best?
[10:50] <levander> gehel2: not, it's 7 directories and 7 text files.  I gotta do this about 12 times.
[10:50] <kemik> f_newton:  filezilla is for windows only! using cxoffice to get it working ?
[10:50] <samu> can somebody recommend a nice editor for working with ruby?
[10:50] <MagiPink> Maybe it would love me again if I put out. xD
[10:50] <f_newton> egads!
[10:51] <levander> gehel2: dvd+rw-tools? dvdrtools?
[10:51] <f_newton> things have changed...
[10:51] <gehel2> levander, than go for CL ! you can even write a for loop to do it 12 times in a row ...
[10:51] <levander> samu: check if blueflish does that
[10:51] <gehel2> levander, I use dvd+rw-tools
[10:51] <levander> gehel2: yeah, i'll be able to figure out the command line if you know which dvd writing tool is the best
[10:51] <MagiPink> I don't know if thise will help... but when I did plog, it said it couldn't raise the MTU and MRU to 1500 a bunch of times or something... and that the PAP authentication failed. :3
[10:52] <gehel2> samu, emacs or vi !
[10:52] <MrMaDSeN> my audio wont work.... soundcard I mean   any suggestions
[10:52] <levander> gehel2: you read around and decided on dvd+rw-tools? or, just went ahead and tried it?
[10:52] <samu> gehel2, so which one is better? :)
[10:52] <barkley> samu: jedit has a pretty good ruby plugin
[10:53] <barkley> samu: it actually uses the jruby parser so it has some structure outlining and a little code completion
[10:53] <gehel2> levander, just lemme check, I might in fact use dvdrtools
[10:53] <levander> samu: that's a religious debate
[10:53] <levander> gehel2: something tells me you really don't care much which is better....
[10:53] <chad> does nvidia drivers install with ubuntu install or synaptic?
[10:53] <Raptoid> selamlar
[10:53] <icewt> chad, you could try http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[10:54] <gehel2> levander, your right, I just picked one and assumed they are mostly equivalents (which is probably right)
[10:54] <oni> hi
[10:54] <levander> samu: really though, vi and emacs are kind of advanced to program in.  I'd look and see if bluefish has ruby support.
[10:54] <oni> hey gotta question, where I can get Java JRE?
[10:54] <gehel2> levander, I think they are both a fork of cdrecord
[10:54] <kemik> !tell oni about java
[10:55] <levander> gehel2: yeah, some packages I download and start using have more bugs than others though.  And, then like trying to burn discs, finding out that some of these are making me wait real long with it writes a temporary iso to the hard disk.
[10:55] <Kyral> !java
[10:55] <ubotu> from memory, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[10:55] <kemik> levander: ViM / gvim has syntaxhighlightning
[10:55] <Kyral> Ahh! NCurses based installers
[10:55] <Kyral> Simple yet functional!
[10:56] <kemik> samu:  gvim !
[10:56] <kemik> Kyral:  indeed
[10:56] <levander> kemik: yeah, but I wouldn't have a newb program in vi.  It gets so tedious trying to figure out what all the commands are when you're trying to figure out a programming language at the same time.
[10:56] <MagiPink> Well, I don't know what to do now... Oh well. :3 Thanks all~
[10:56] <Kyral> though the last time I invoked the UT2k4 installer, it popped up this GUI one, but ths time the NCurses
[10:56] <f_newton> hang on a second kemik let me look for something... I thought it was filezilla Iused to use
[10:56] <Heijmen> samu: scite has ruby support
[10:57] <gehel2> levander, I actually use growisofs ... I think to remember it had easier syntax
[10:57] <Kyral> and HOLY COW! Slack is coming out with a new subversion?!
[10:57] <levander> gehel2: does growisofs do the same thing as mkisofs? or, does it do the same thing as cdrecord?
[10:57] <oni> thanks
[10:57] <gehel2> levander, both at the same time !
[10:58] <levander> Kyral: who is slack?
[10:58] <f_newton> kemik,  http://gftp.seul.org/
[10:58] <levander> gehel2: that is nice!
[10:58] <Kyral> levander, Slackware Linux
[10:58] <levander> gehel2: it burns to dvds?
[10:58] <kemik> f_newton:  aah, tried that one, no ssl-support :(
[10:58] <avadash> hey newly installed ubuntu has no sound....
[10:58] <avadash> :(
[10:58] <gehel2> levander, yes it does. I use it for automated backups
[10:58] <Kyral> !esd
[10:58] <ubotu> methinks esd is Enlightened Sound Daemon. By using a sound server to access your sound device, multiple applications can connect to the server at once and all make noise simultaneously.
[10:58] <MrMaDSeN> avadash: i got same problem
[10:58] <levander> gehel2: that's exactly what I've been looking for!!!!
[10:59] <LinuxJones> avadash, what kind of soundcard do you have ?
[10:59] <Kyral> ...someone make an entry in Ubotu that tells how to kill ESD
[10:59] <avadash> creative soundblaster 24bit live.
[10:59] <levander> gehel2: I come in here bitching about cdrecord every damn day, don't know why someone didn't recommend alternative
[10:59] <levander> gehel2: ticks me off nobody told me about that earlier.
[11:00] <gehel2> levander, I think ubuntu users are not the most CL efficient ... It's such a nice distro ;-)
[11:00] <f_newton> kemik, and here too...  http://linuxreviews.org/software/ftp-clients/
[11:00] <MagiPink> I guess I'll have to reinstall Ubuntu. o.O
[11:00] <gehel2> avadash, if you type "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" do you hear garbadge sound ?
[11:01] <oni> what do you recommend for PPC, IBM Java or Blackdown Java?
[11:01] <gehel2> oni, SUN JDK
[11:01] <gehel2> oni, if possible 1.5
[11:02] <oni> gehel2, but I have two options, IBM or Blackdown, is for PPC
[11:02] <samu> Heijmen, yeah, but can scite autoindent my code?
[11:02] <kemik> f_newton:  thx :)
[11:02] <avadash> it says access denied when i try to play it
[11:02] <gehel2> oni, sorry, I missed that one. Than go for blackdown, unless you are developping and want the supppper fast jikes compiler
[11:03] <oni> thanks
[11:03] <gehel2> avadash, than you should check the permissions on /dev/dsp
[11:03] <gregg_> is anyone working on speeding up the installation process of ubuntu?
[11:03] <avadash> ok...
[11:03] <oni> How do I install from a .bin file?
[11:03] <avadash> cant i just su?
[11:03] <avadash> but i type in password and it sayts denied
[11:04] <gehel2> avadash, the quick and dirty trick would be to run "chmod a+rw /dev/dsp" as root
[11:04] <blahblah> avadash: u have to give a root pw for su first
[11:04] <f_newton> kemik are you running gnome or kde?
[11:04] <avadash> what is default root pass?
[11:04] <LinuxJones> avadash, this might help >> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19307
[11:04] <blahblah> avadash: there is none, see LinuxJones
[11:04] <Heijmen> samu: not that i know of
[11:04] <LinuxJones> avadash, sorry I took so long to reply
[11:05] <avadash> its ok
[11:05] <blahblah> avadash: u can use
[11:05] <f_newton> well I have to go get some thing to eat. I am hungry
[11:05] <oni> avadash, you should be able to change de password of the root at anytime
[11:05] <blahblah> avadash: sudo -s
[11:05] <f_newton> I will probably be back later as I have nothing constructive to do
[11:05] <holycow> bah
[11:05] <holycow> my sound issue was that new bios now require onboard audio chipset to be enabled manually
[11:05] <holycow> weird
[11:05] <holycow> heh
[11:06] <avadash> yes!!!! thx blah blah it worked!
[11:06] <avadash> blahblah: it worked!
[11:07] <oni> how do I install from a bin file?
[11:07] <brokenbox> anyone have any tips on combining the upper and lower gnome bars into just 1?
[11:08] <oni> brokenbox: configure the panel direction
[11:08] <gehel2> oni, chmod a+x <file.bin> ; ./<file.bin>
[11:08] <oni> both up or down
[11:08] <levander> gehel2: the growisofs (which is a part of dvd+rw-tools) says that nautilus is actually using dvd+rw-tools on the backend.
[11:08] <levander> gehel2: Does growisofs do "on the fly" burning?
[11:08] <oni> gehel2 thanks
[11:09] <brokenbox> oni, will that let me combine them, and where is that accessed?
[11:09] <gehel2> levander, on the fly yes. didnt understand the first part ...
[11:09] <wdh> what would be a good program to burn a .cue/.bin image?
[11:09] <MartenH> lo all
[11:09] <oni> brokenbox: Right click on the panel - Properties
[11:10] <kemik> MartenH:  gftp seem to have ssl support if you compile it from source (not apt-get it)
[11:10] <brokenbox> i can put them both at the bottom, but that doesnt combine them into one :(
[11:10] <oni> wdh: k3b ?
[11:11] <levander> gehel2: the first part was just saying that nautilus uses dvd+rw-tools on the back-end to burn dvd's
[11:11] <TheSham>  I've been following this wiki on installing ndiswrapper, and all has went well until I got to this command: sed -e "s/misc/kernel\/drivers\/net\/ndiswrapper/g" debian/rules > debian/temp
[11:11] <gehel2> levander, OK, thx
[11:11] <MartenH> kemik, really? Interesting! I don't know if I dare get into combiling again, just went trhrough hell compiling a driver.. did manage to get it working in the end though =)
[11:11] <levander> gehel2: so, if growisofs does "on the fly" burning, and nautilus uses growisofs on the back end, should nautilus do on the fly burning?
[11:11] <TheSham> Does anyone know what that command SHOULD be? It's completely wrong.
[11:11] <pestilence> does anybody know of a good vncviewer that properly handles fullscreen in KDE and doesn't get confused when you accidently hit alt+tab?
[11:11] <oni> brokenbox: you could make the bottom panel larger and add the upper panel's applets down the others
[11:12] <kemik> MartenH:  compiling drivers is way different from just compiling a small app ;)
[11:12] <gehel2> levander, not necessarly
[11:12] <wdh> oni, i hoped for a program that wouldnt need 40 mb of kdelibs et al
[11:12] <brokenbox> oni, yeah i figured it out. thanks alot!
[11:12] <ubuntu_> does apt-get install -c <package> install from cache only?
[11:13] <ubuntu_> i remeber using that on other distros with apt
[11:13] <oni> wdh: I don't know how to make it in Gnome
[11:13] <ubuntu_> er -C
[11:13] <MartenH> kemik, have you tried it? (gftp with ssl i mean)
[11:13] <ubuntu_> cap
[11:13] <kemik> MartenH:  im going to now, either gftp or iglooftp
[11:13] <oni> wdh: I think there is some package called xnero in Universe
[11:13] <ubuntu_> does apt-get install -C <package> install from cache only?
[11:13] <ubuntu_> i remeber using that on other distros with apt
[11:14] <psi-> does anyone know any fix for XOrg/breezy AltGr breakage?
[11:15] <MartenH> kemik, ok, then I'll let you play guineepig and you can report back to me when you're done =)
[11:15] <nelsongs> anybody knows if intel 915GM works with ubuntu now?
[11:15] <nelsongs> i have an hp notebook dv4000
[11:15] <avadash> i download some thing called hoary that could fix my sound problem and all i get is a files called packages... no makefiles or anything
[11:15] <wdh> oni, not in hoary/universe
[11:16] <gehel2> kemik, just my own 2 cents, but I've had quite some troubles with igloo. Crashing all the time. gftp only crashed half of the time ...
[11:16] <oni> wdh: have you added the Universe repositories?
[11:16] <wdh> oni, yes
[11:16] <MartenH> gehel2, lol, positive think there eh? :)
[11:17] <oni> I've got no sound in VLC for GTK+ (ppc)
[11:17] <littleworm> i have the logitech media keyboard and there are some "special" buttons that doesn't work, how can i configure it?
[11:17] <oni> wdh: look for nero
[11:17] <gehel2> MartenH, well, I still have to find a good ftp GUI. But I use scp most of the time so ...
[11:17] <MartenH> littleworm, look into the hotkeys package
[11:17] <MartenH> gehel2, does that have ssl support?
[11:18] <wdh> oni, it is not in universe..
[11:18] <gehel2> MartenH, ???
[11:18] <ubuntu_> if i have somethng i cache how do i tell ubuntus apt to install from cache only and not download?
[11:18] <Goodspeed> why does gnome have explicit access to my soundcard
[11:18] <fng> set theme sux
[11:18] <Goodspeed> and it locks everything out?
[11:18] <littleworm> MartenH, thanks
[11:19] <Kyral> how do I find out whats in my Path?
[11:19] <LasseL> gehel2, I would think that nautilus can do both scp and ftp
[11:19] <wdh> ubuntu_, it installs everything thats in cache.. and downlaods the rest
[11:19] <MartenH> gehel2, ssl transfers, encrypted transfers...
[11:19] <LasseL> gehel2, i am sure it does sftp anyways
[11:19] <Goodspeed> umount: only root can unmount /dev/hda from /media/cdrom0
[11:19] <Goodspeed> eject: unmount of `/dev/hda' failed
[11:19] <Goodspeed> can someone help me with this?
[11:19] <wdh> ubuntu_, --no-download does exactly what you want
[11:19] <om_> Goodspeed: esd/oss by default can only play one sound at a time
[11:19] <gehel2> MartenH, scp is another protocol, related to ssh, so there is no SSL, but a pretty strong encryption
[11:19] <Goodspeed> im using alsa
[11:19] <Kyral> do a sudo in front of that
[11:19] <om_> if you play with alsa you may be able to get it to play multiple sounds at once
[11:19] <whitefang> is there an easy way to stop the printing service from running at startup?
[11:19] <pestilence> Goodspeed: sudo eject ?
[11:20] <Goodspeed> root@Godspeed:/media # sudo eject
[11:20] <Goodspeed> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[11:20] <Goodspeed> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[11:20] <Goodspeed> eject: unmount of `/dev/hda' failed
[11:20] <ptolo> Goodspeed, cd ..
[11:20] <pestilence> Goodspeed: are you viewing the directory?
[11:21] <Goodspeed> negative
[11:21] <chad> Press 'Ctrl + Alt + Backspace' kills X.. but how do i get back in gnome again?
[11:21] <oni> wdh: look documentation about gnomebaker
[11:21] <MartenH> gehel2, oh ic, my bad. never heard of scp until now
[11:21] <pestilence> Goodspeed: lsof |grep /media/cdrom0
[11:21] <Goodspeed> gam_serve  7760       mike   67r      DIR        3,0    4096       6464 /media/cdrom0
[11:21] <om_> Goodspeed: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=678d29a40129a16de0a1305b33219501&t=26567
[11:21] <nophix> chad: doesn't X come back?
[11:21] <MrMaDSeN> damn linux sound
[11:21] <om_> sound^
[11:22] <oni> wdh: and gcombust
[11:22] <file_> im having some trouble using rhythmbox
[11:22] <gehel2> MartenH, scp is what everybody should use. more secured, more stable, closer to the TCP/IP specs ...
[11:22] <MrMaDSeN> onboard audio on i915G chipset just wont work for me
[11:22] <MartenH> gehel2, my problem is that I need to connect to a server running SSL so the choise isn't up to me. but I'll add scp to my list of things to learn more about :)
[11:22] <nophix> chad: I mean the x login manager, gdm, xdm whatever you have
[11:22] <pestilence> Goodspeed: how about kill 7760
[11:22] <MartenH> gehel2, more secure and stable in what way? compared to ssl and ssh
[11:22] <chad> i get to console like login
[11:23] <wdh> oni, are you just thinking of some programs.. or do you actually know something about them supporting .cue files?
[11:23] <Goodspeed> pestilence you are todays winner
[11:23] <chad> no gui login
[11:23] <pestilence> ding ding ding
[11:23] <pestilence> what do i win
[11:23] <chad> also used : sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[11:23] <Goodspeed> my ubuntu dvd
[11:23] <pestilence> sweet.  let me give you my address
[11:23] <fizile> also device "default" is already in use
[11:23] <ubuntu_> wdh: thanks :)
[11:23] <hmrocha> hi
[11:23] <nophix> chad: sure you're using gdm? startx?
[11:24] <Zeroblitzt> Anyone know how I can make it so when I click on a Directory, it opens it in the same file viewer? The way it is now, when I click on say /home/knovak/foo/, it opens that directory in a new viewer... I want it in the same one
[11:24] <hmrocha> i just installed breezy colony-2 from the cd, and it's all fucked up
[11:24] <oni> wdh: I'm jumping around helping you
[11:24] <chad> ill try
[11:24] <wdh> oni, ok, thx for that :)
[11:24] <pestilence> Zeroblitzt: change it so it browses by default, it's in preferences
[11:24] <wdh> i'll check the docs out..
[11:24] <hmrocha> i installed it in another partition because i have an hoary2breezy here
[11:25] <Zeroblitzt> ok, will try
[11:25] <Zeroblitzt> thanks
[11:25] <hmrocha> i upgrades X and now i have all this fucked up too
[11:25] <fizile> [ also device "default" is already in use]   is the error i recieve when trying to play an mp3 in rhythmbox, any ideas here?
[11:25] <pestilence> Zeroblitzt: i believe it says "open in browser mode by default" or similar
[11:25] <hmrocha> i deleted xorg.conf and did an dpkg-reconfigure to create a new one
[11:25] <fizile> alsa my bad
[11:25] <hmrocha> but X still doesn't work
[11:25] <hmrocha> i know some people that have breezy working
[11:25] <hmrocha> what can i do to make X work?
[11:26] <nophix> why not ask those people? ;)
[11:26] <om_> what happens when you try to start x?
[11:26] <hmrocha> it tries to start the graphic mode, switches to text again, this is repeated 3 times i guess, then the system crashes
[11:27] <lonelyzora> just for radomness who heard about what happend at the Boy Scout Nat'l Jamboree?
[11:27] <om_> lonelyzora: I did
[11:27] <wdh> oni, i'll just install k3b
[11:27] <hmrocha> wdh: you can use graveman
[11:27] <om_> hmrocha: you have something messed up somewhere, why not try a fresh install?
[11:27] <lonelyzora> i was there didn't see it hapen tho
[11:27] <abarbaccia> hey guys - what wiki do you think is the best?
[11:27] <nelsongs> anybody here can help?
[11:27] <hmrocha> om_: i did a fresh install of breezy colony-2 moments ago
[11:28] <hmrocha> it's all fucked up
[11:28] <gehel2> nelsongs, only if you ask a question !
[11:28] <om_> hmrocha: why not use hoary?
[11:28] <wdh> hmrocha, it doesnt seem to support burning from cue/bin
[11:28] <nelsongs> i have an hp notebook, intel 915gm graphics
[11:28] <gehel2> abarbaccia, I use moinmoin, easy, light weight ugly
[11:28] <nelsongs> it doesn't work
[11:28] <hmrocha> om_: because breezy uses gtk2.8
[11:28] <Zeroblitzt> pestilence... which preferences is it in o_o
[11:28] <gehel2> abarbaccia, I use moinmoin, easy, light weight, ugly
[11:28] <Zeroblitzt> I went to Computer --> Desktop Preferences
[11:29] <Zeroblitzt> --> File Management
[11:29] <om_> yes, and?
[11:29] <abarbaccia> gehel2, i dont want ugly tho
[11:29] <gehel2> nelsongs, did you check if it is supported by xorg ?
[11:29] <pestilence> Zeroblitzt: open up nautilus-file-management-properties in a shell
[11:29] <hmrocha> om_: and i want to try to use the new version of gnome
[11:29] <Zeroblitzt> Didn't see anything about changing the folder behavior
[11:29] <Zeroblitzt> oh, ok
[11:29] <pestilence> Zeroblitzt: it's under "Behavior"
[11:29] <pestilence> Zeroblitzt: "Always open in browser windows"
[11:30] <nelsongs> gehe12:  how can i check it?
[11:30] <oni> How I can make totem plays DivX/Xvid files?
[11:30] <pestilence> !tell oni about multimedia
[11:30] <Zeroblitzt> Cool, much better pestilence... thanks
[11:31] <pestilence> Zeroblitzt: np
[11:31] <fizile> tell me about multimedia heh
[11:31] <fizile> having some sound issues in rhythmbox
[11:31] <keyes> hello
[11:31] <nelsongs> gehel2, where can i check?
[11:31] <hmrocha> i guess i'll have to wait for breezy colony-3
[11:31] <DarkLight_CyBorg> Hello gentlemen...
[11:31] <DarkLight_CyBorg> Anyone knows something about an "HPPA" port of Ubuntu?
[11:31] <keyes> why ubuntu don't have /sbin/nologin ??
[11:31] <dooonz> anyone know of a program to repair avi files???
[11:32] <PaveK> Hi people! I'm having troubles while enabling DMA on a DVD-RW Plextor PX-716A under Ubuntu 5.04... HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[11:32] <DarkLight_CyBorg> I heard of that, but I can't find it.
[11:32] <MartenH> dooonz, only for windows
[11:32] <gehel2> nelsongs, go to the xorg website and dig in (sorry, I'm not very user friendly, but I dont know more)
[11:32] <dooonz> there has to be one for linux
[11:33] <gehel2> DarkLight_CyBorg, why use ubuntu on a HPPA ?
[11:33] <nelsongs> gehel2: i can see some that they've worked on the intel 915 on theirs
[11:33] <nophix> PaveK: you did it with sudo?
[11:33] <nelsongs> gehel2:  but mine didn't
[11:33] <PaveK> nophix -> well, from root account
[11:33] <DarkLight_CyBorg> I want to test other distro apart from Gentoo or Debian.
[11:34] <Hoxzer> can I somehow check how fast im currently uploading?
[11:34] <gehel2> nelsongs, than i'm probably not of much help. I've never been a big X freek ...
[11:34] <DarkLight_CyBorg> And, Ubuntu had a lot of good feedack lately, and so I heard they had an HPPA port.
[11:34] <MartenH> getting set up and used to ubuntu is kind of like re-inventing the wheel... finding out how to do things I know by hand in windows. I like it though, great new set of wheels, and awsome rims :)
[11:34] <gehel2> Hoxzer, iptraf
[11:34] <nophix> PaveK: not other errors than that?
[11:34] <DarkLight_CyBorg> Oh, well... And I have an old HP APollo 9000 I want under Linux.
[11:35] <nelsongs> alright, then anybody else?
[11:35] <PaveK> nophix -> /dev/dvd:
[11:35] <PaveK>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[11:35] <PaveK>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[11:35] <PaveK>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[11:35] <gehel2> DarkLight_CyBorg, that's a good reason. But i dont know of a port ...
[11:35] <DarkLight_CyBorg> Hmm...
[11:35] <Goodspeed> root@Godspeed:/media/cdrom1# ./linux-installer.sh
[11:35] <Goodspeed> bash: ./linux-installer.sh: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied
[11:36] <Goodspeed> ...help
[11:36] <gehel2> PaveK, are u root ?
[11:36] <Goodspeed> lol
[11:36] <whitefang> how do i get java to work in firefox?
[11:36] <deprave_> anyone know how to force a cdrom to umount?
[11:36] <DarkLight_CyBorg> Well, if you don't know about, I guess it's just hype...
[11:36] <gehel2> Goodspeed, there's probably noexec in /etc/fstab
[11:36] <nophix> gehel2: he is
[11:36] <deprave_> mike@splinter:~$ sudo umount /media/cdrom
[11:36] <deprave_> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[11:36] <deprave_> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[11:36] <Goodspeed> what does that mean
[11:36] <DarkLight_CyBorg> ... Or a port thats in a very early stage.
[11:36] <deprave_> nothing is using it
[11:36] <gehel2> deprave_, lsof | grep /dev/cdrom
[11:36] <Goodspeed> deprave i just had that problem
[11:36] <nophix> PaveK: i had that problem too, and i had to modprobe the right module for my motherboardchipset
[11:37] <PaveK> gehel2 -> yes, from root
[11:37] <mbirkis> hello... i have a usb tv card from msi, and when i plugged it in it appeared in the "Device Manager" as a "Unknown (0x2800)" device... what do i need to do to get it to work?
[11:37] <canibal> como agrego un tema con superkaramba?
[11:37] <PaveK> I have a DFI NF2ULtra with nForce2 ultra chipset
[11:37] <Hoxzer> gehel2: -bash: iptraf: command not found
[11:37] <oni> Hoary-extras is a repositorie?
[11:37] <nophix> PaveK: this thread helped me, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=47394&highlight=HDIO_SET_DMA+failed
[11:37] <Goodspeed> gehel what were you tlaking about with the noexec?
[11:37] <DarkLight_CyBorg> Thank you anyway, Gehel2... ;-)
[11:37] <gehel2> mbirkis, not that many TV card are supported, did you check if it is ?
[11:37] <DarkLight_CyBorg> Good bye!
[11:37] <canibal> como agrego un tema con superkaramba?
[11:38] <deprave_> root@splinter:/home/mike/.Trash # lsof | grep /dev/cdrom
[11:38] <deprave_> root@splinter:/home/mike/.Trash #
[11:38] <nophix> PaveK: you can try with "hdparm -c1 -d1 /dev/hdX" too if you want
[11:38] <mbirkis> gehel2, nope... it is a tvcard i got from a friend, i am just testing if i could get it to work...
[11:38] <PaveK> nophix -> trying right now...
[11:38] <gehel2> Goodspeed, the device is mounted with noexec. That means that you are not allowed to exec any file on it. try to type "mount"
[11:38] <canibal> alguien que hable espaol?
[11:39] <MartenH> canibal, #ubuntu-es
[11:39] <raDeon> no.
[11:39] <DarkLight_CyBorg> Canibal: Me temo que nadie mas que yo habla espaol ac.
[11:39] <mbirkis> gehel2, does it work with ndiswrapper maybe?
[11:39] <PaveK> /dev/dvd:
[11:39] <PaveK>  setting 32-bit IO_support flag to 1
[11:39] <PaveK>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[11:39] <PaveK>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[11:39] <PaveK>  IO_support   =  1 (32-bit)
[11:39] <PaveK>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[11:39] <raDeon> DarkLight_CyBorg, don't encourage him
[11:39] <spanglesontoast> back :D
[11:39] <deprave_> anyone know how force my cdrom to unmount?
[11:39] <canibal> sabes ocupar el superkaramba?
[11:39] <Goodspeed> ok some stuff came up but theen i typed ./program and it returned the same error
[11:39] <nophix> PaveK: ok, look at the link i gave you then
[11:39] <gehel2> mbirkis, I dont know, you'll have to google a bit ... sorry
[11:40] <mbirkis> gehel2, no problem... will read abit
[11:40] <hubsi> what ubuntu do i have to use?
[11:40] <oni> como que nadie habla espaol?
[11:40] <oni> canibal, necesitas ayuda con superkaramba?
[11:40] <joe_t> is it possible to unintsall things like libesd0 _without_ removing ubuntu-desktop ?
[11:40] <gehel2> Goodspeed, yep, it wouldnt have changed any thing. but could you paste the line with /dev/cdrom in it ?
[11:40] <socomm> oni: /join #ubuntu-es
[11:40] <pestilence> hubsi: use hoary
[11:40] <avadash> gehel: PM
[11:40] <oni> sorry :D
[11:40] <deprave_> anyone know how force my cdrom to unmount?
[11:40] <canibal> siiiii necesito toda la ayuda posible
[11:41] <deprave_> jaja
[11:41] <pestilence> deprave_: why won't it unmount?
[11:41] <nophix> deprave_: umount -f maybe?
[11:41] <deprave_> pestilence i don't know
[11:41] <Goodspeed> this one? /dev/hdb on /media/cdrom1 type iso9660 (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=mike)
[11:41] <PaveK> nophix -> I'm reading... :)
[11:41] <pestilence> deprave_: what does it tell you?
[11:41] <deprave_> mike@splinter:~$ sudo umount -f /media/cdrom
[11:41] <deprave_> umount2: Device or resource busy
[11:41] <deprave_> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[11:41] <deprave_> root@splinter:/home/mike/.Trash # lsof | grep /dev/cdrom
[11:41] <deprave_> root@splinter:/home/mike/.Trash #
[11:41] <oni> canibal, /join #ubuntu-es
[11:41] <pestilence> deprave_: lsof |grep /media/cdrom0
[11:41] <pestilence> you don't want to grep for /dev/cdrom
[11:42] <hubsi> could someone say me what theis breezy means?
[11:42] <pestilence> it opens the mount point, not the device
[11:42] <deprave_> pestilence: nothing
[11:42] <joachim> hello
[11:42] <deprave_> oh media
[11:42] <levander> If an iso on the filesystem is less than 4.7 GB, do you know that it will fit on a DVD disc?  I just know that if you look at regular files on the filesystem and add their size, you can only get like 4.3 GB on a disc.  Because the DVD filesystem takes some space.
[11:42] <deprave_> sorry
[11:42] <spanglesontoast> erm
[11:42] <gehel2> Goodspeed, yep. you see the "noexec". now either copy the file you try to execute to another partition or edit /etc/fstab, remove the noexec and remount the CD
[11:42] <spanglesontoast> why do I get weird xml errors with firefox?
[11:42] <joachim> how do I get a list of all things in a folder that start with a dot? "ls .*" seems to do subdirectories too
[11:42] <deprave_> what's gam serv?
[11:42] <deprave_> what's gam_serv?
[11:42] <Goodspeed> gedit /etc/fstab
[11:42] <spanglesontoast> ah
[11:42] <spanglesontoast> dw
[11:42] <Goodspeed> right?
[11:43] <pestilence> joachim: ls -ld .* ?
[11:43] <gehel2> Goodspeed, right
[11:43] <hubsi> could someone say me what theis breezy means?
[11:43] <Goodspeed> what am i looking for in the folder
[11:43] <Goodspeed> i dont see noexec
[11:43] <pestilence> hubsi: breezy = unstable = don't use
[11:43] <levander> hubsi: breezy is the next release of ubuntu.  The current one is hoary.
[11:43] <avadash> ist here a package that installs kde to ubuntu?
[11:43] <PaveK> nophix -> do I need to phisically reboot the machine to get the modify work?
[11:43] <avadash> i like kde better than gnome
[11:44] <pestilence> avadash: kubuntu-desktop
[11:44] <nophix> PaveK: i would recommend it actually :)
[11:44] <PaveK> ok, rebooting ^_^
[11:44] <D1> kinda amazes me how breezy is supposed to be done by october
[11:44] <hubsi> http://source.rfc822.org/pub/mirror/releases.ubuntu.com/5.04/ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso <- this one is hoary ?
[11:44] <D1> seems really unstable now.
[11:45] <pestilence> hubsi: yes
[11:45] <MrMaDSeN> damn I going to bed... screw that sound...
[11:45] <hubsi> thanks
[11:45] <dishfish> Bith are good, though gnome is a bit memory-friendly. Have you tried "Enlightenment"
[11:45] <gehel2> Goodspeed, right, it's done by the automounter ... than just copy the file somewhere else, that's the easiest
[11:45] <kemik> hubsi:  looks like the right versionnumber
[11:45] <joachim> thanks pestilence
[11:45] <dishfish> yo can update it from the "universe" in synaptic
[11:45] <pestilence> joachim: np
[11:45] <Goodspeed> you mean like get rid of it?
[11:45] <mrknisely> Need some help with a wireless card install...
[11:46] <dishfish> ...and in standard buntu, KDE is also available in the Universe section.
[11:46] <gehel2> mrknisely, what's the prob ?
[11:46] <mrknisely> I've got a Sonicwall card which I've compiled the hostap drivers for.
[11:46] <hubsi> but, i have a problem.. when i use this "update program" and restart the system, ubuntu says "couldn't start X ...  /etc/X not executable"
[11:47] <Hikaru79> I'm so confused by audio in ubuntu. Can someone tell me straight and clear -- what should I be using, esound, arts, alsa, polypaudio, jackd?? And prefferably a link to some sort of guide explaining how to set up the daemon
[11:47] <mrknisely> Compile went fine, but when I insert the card, syslog says that it is an unsupported card.
[11:47] <mrknisely> I'm sure this is a simple rtfm thing, but I'm just not seeing it.
[11:47] <gehel2> Hikaru79, welcome to the wonderfull world of free choice !
[11:47] <avadash> pestilence: waht is kubuntu-desktop
[11:47] <barkley> what's the difference between colony 1 and colony 2?
[11:48] <mbirkis> is it possible to rebuild a .deb from i386 to amd64 in a "easy" way?
[11:48] <gehel2> mrknisely, it's probably not that easy ... WiFi is not all that well supported under linux
[11:48] <dishfish> artas is an audio manager, alsa is a driver set... but Ubuntu should have OSS by default as a snd driver collection
[11:48] <pestilence> avadash: it's kde for ubuntu
[11:48] <avadash> pestilence: it that the apt-get package name?
[11:49] <mrknisely> gehel2: should be simple as this hardware gets this driver.  I'm guessing somewhere in modules... I'm just not a linux hardware guy.
[11:49] <dishfish> so alsa should be recommendable only if you know what you're doing or if you have some exotic hardware that's not include in the standard set
[11:49] <pestilence> avadash: yes
[11:49] <avadash> thx
[11:49] <hubsi> is there somewhere a german ubuntu help chan in this network?
[11:49] <gehel2> mrknisely, what's the exact error message (I'm not a hardware guy either :-(
[11:49] <dishfish> you can also get KDE with Synaptic by enabling the "universe" repository"
[11:49] <dooonz> i have a library that needs to be installed how do i go about?? the file is libborqt-6.9-qt2.3.so
[11:49] <pestilence> hubsi: did you try #ubuntu-de?
[11:50] <gehel2> hubsi, das weiss ich nicht ...
[11:50] <hubsi> it works :D
[11:50] <asdfDiplomats> hey
[11:50] <mrknisely> Aug  3 17:50:08 localhost cardmgr[6490] : unsupported card in socket 0
[11:50] <mrknisely> Aug  3 17:50:08 localhost cardmgr[6490] :   product info: "SonicWALL", "Long Range Wireless Card", "ISL37100P", "1.0"
[11:50] <mrknisely> Aug  3 17:50:08 localhost cardmgr[6490] :   manfid: 0x000b, 0x7100  function: 6 (network)
[11:50] <Hikaru79> gehel, I don't like choice ;_; Someone please order me around!!
[11:50] <pestilence> surprise surprise ;)
[11:50] <Hikaru79> ;)
[11:50] <asdfDiplomats> how do you get rdp to work in ubuntu
[11:50] <gehel2> sorry all, gotta go to bed ...
[11:50] <Sputn1k> Why when linux starting i get this "mount: 'ntfs' unknown file system"
[11:50] <gehel2> bye
[11:51] <pestilence> asdfDiplomats: in kde, krdc?
[11:51] <asdfDiplomats> how do you get rdp to work in ubuntu
[11:51] <asdfDiplomats> yup
[11:51] <_olaf> what's a good mounting GUI app?
[11:51] <Sputn1k> ive added
[11:51] <mrknisely> asdfDiplmats:  RDP client or server?  A client is available in Internet called "Terminal Server Client"  It also does VNC.
[11:51] <benkong2> does shorewall have a GUI?
[11:51] <asdfDiplomats> in default~ i am a newbee
[11:51] <asdfDiplomats> client
[11:52] <hmrocha> om_, it's working now
[11:52] <asdfDiplomats> found it, i love you!!!!!!!!!
[11:52] <asdfDiplomats> btw i love all of you, and this linux
[11:52] <hmrocha> i did an apt-get install xwindow-system-core, xwindow-system and xfonts-base
[11:52] <fizile> anyone expierence with rhythmbox ?
[11:52] <mrknisely> asdfDiplomats:  Careful, my wife might get jealous.
[11:52] <benkong2> does shorewall have a GUI?
[11:52] <flodine> hello yall
[11:52] <hmrocha> fizile, what do you need?
[11:52] <pestilence> benkong2: doubtful
[11:53] <linlin> benkong2, there are frontends you can use
[11:53] <benkong2> pestilence; ok
[11:53] <linlin> benkong2, such as webmin
[11:53] <asdfDiplomats> o i have another problem
[11:53] <fizile> hmrocha, im having trouble listening to music, i got the program to recognize mp3 format, but it wont give me and sound
[11:53] <benkong2> ok so install apache, webmin and then do the firewall thingy
[11:53] <Bryan29556> Anyone know how to play .avi files
[11:53] <Sputn1k> ive added this /dev/hda2       /media/windows  ntfs    nls=utf8,umask=0222 0       0    in fstab, but when linux starting i get this "unable to mount: 'ntfs' unknown file system" My win partition are on ntfs system
[11:53] <Hikaru79> fizile, is anythign else using your soundcard?
[11:53] <mbirkis> ok... i have a tv-card that i think is supported in linux... the driver to use is saa7114 <-- what do i do to test if that works?
[11:53] <linlin> webmin doesnt need apache
[11:54] <jazzanova_> hi
[11:54] <fizile> well what do you mean, like at the same moment, or ever
[11:54] <Hikaru79> Sputn1k, sounds like you don't have NTFS drivers installed.
[11:54] <jazzanova_> how can i reconfigure my clock ?
[11:54] <benkong2> thanks
[11:54] <fizile> i use xmms as well, through my sound card, and it will play normally
[11:54] <hmrocha> fizile, what did you do to make it recognize the mp3 format?
[11:54] <Sputn1k> Hikaru79 manualy i can mount it
[11:54] <linlin> np
[11:54] <ironmc> I can't seem to access any of my CDROM or floppy drives with the file manager or from the terminal - any ideas??
[11:54] <Sputn1k> bot on fstab= no
[11:54] <jazzanova_> i need to set the correct timezone onmy clock. how do i do it ?
[11:54] <Hikaru79> Sputn1k, try:   sudo apt-get install libntfs5 ntfsprogs
[11:54] <pestilence> mbirkis: did you try "modprobe saa7114" ?
[11:54] <fizile> hmrocha, i installed the gstreamer mp3 package through my synaptic
[11:55] <Bryan29556> anyone know how to play .avi files
[11:55] <hmrocha> fizile, install gstreamer0.8-mad
[11:55] <fizile> yeah i did this.
[11:55] <pestilence> !tell Bryan29556 about multimedia
[11:55] <hmrocha> fizile, close rhythmbox and open it again
[11:55] <fizile> it will play the music, but only through my onboard sound and not through my soundcard
[11:55] <fizile> ive opened and closed it numerous times now
[11:55] <Hikaru79> fizile, did you follow ubuntuguide's advice on configuring esound?
[11:56] <hmrocha> fizile, i can't help you then
[11:56] <mbirkis> pestilence, i did the modprobe, what now?
[11:56] <Sputn1k> Hikaru79 it didint help, on my new kernel ntfs dont works :/
[11:56] <fizile> Hikaru79, ill check that out now thanks, i hadnt before since it was working fine for xmms
[11:56] <Hikaru79> fizile:
[11:56] <Hikaru79> fizile Hikaru79, ill check that out now thanks, i hadnt before since it was working fine for xmms
[11:56] <Hikaru79> Oops
[11:56] <Hikaru79> Bad paste ^_^;
[11:56] <Hikaru79> Here, fizile: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[11:57] <Raf99> anyone have any resolution issues with ubuntu ? ( i'm using a kvm switch also )
[11:57] <Hikaru79> Sputnlk, hmm... what exactle does it say when you do:  mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/winxp ?
[11:57] <pestilence> mbirkis: you could type "dmesg" and see what effect that had
[11:57] <Hikaru79> (replace the mount dirs with your own, obviusly)
[11:58] <Raf99> i disconnected the monitor cable yesterday , re-connected and booted up, which allowed me todo 1280x1024, etc.  But the next reboot now only allows 640X480
[11:58] <whitefang> what's ubuntu-backports?
[11:58] <mbirkis> pestilence, thnx, you are very helpful
[11:58] <pestilence> mbirkis: np
[11:58] <Hikaru79> whitefang, a repository of additional packages for those who aren't satisfied with hoary's selection.
[11:58] <hmrocha> oh my god!!!!
[11:58] <hmrocha> is file browser the default operation mode?
[11:58] <hmrocha> (in breezy)
[11:59] <whitefang> but it also has updated packages?
[11:59] <Hikaru79> whitefang, yes, a lot of them.
[11:59] <Hikaru79> whitefang , they have their own section in the forums. Go check it out there.
[11:59] <mbirkis> pestilence, i can't find any messages in dmesg about the modprobe saa7114
[11:59] <whitefang> i'm doing a dist-upgrade, and it's installing a bp version of the same version of firefox
[11:59] <whitefang> Hikaru79, are they generally stable?
[12:00] <whitefang> and what forum should i check?
[12:00] <Hikaru79> whitefang, they've recently become an official repository. So, yes.