[12:07] <ray_> so how do you guys run counterstrike...with cedega?
[12:07] <mart> CellarDoor: you might get some luck running gnome-control-<mumble> 
[12:08] <ray_> mart: sorry....man 
[12:08] <Sputn1k> When i trying to load win partition i get mount: unknown filesystem type 'ntfs', how can i install ntfs mode?
[12:09] <mart> ray_: no problem, I didn't realise you were replying to him, because you replied so fast!
[12:09] <Sputn1k> i mean module not mode
[12:09] <CellarDoor> its kde thats the problem, i don't really care if i can't get gnome apps to look better, I just thought It would be nice
[12:09] <ray_> mart: i should have mad myself more clear
[12:10] <ray_> CellarDoor: i cant believe kde looks bad for you....and how do you set your screen to hi-res?
[12:10] <CellarDoor> its the fonts that look bad
[12:10] <jpatrick> then change them
[12:10] <mart> CellarDoor: do they look bad when you first log in, or only after you run a gnome app?
[12:11] <CellarDoor> change screen res in control centre-peripherals-display
[12:11] <ray_> cool
[12:12] <CellarDoor> they look bad fullstop - fiddling with anti-aliasing in the control centre does nothing
[12:14] <mart> CellarDoor: I guess you've seen the "you need to restart applications for font settings to take effect" (or something) dialog box
[12:15] <CellarDoor> yeah been there done that
[12:16] <ray_> you guys read the new tux
[12:17] <ray_> ?
[12:17] <CellarDoor> nope
[12:17] <CellarDoor> whats that
[12:18] <ray_> its and online magazine that is sent through email as pdf........they have a good article about the advantages of using debian and ubuntu/kubuntu
[12:18] <CellarDoor> ah rite
[12:18] <ray_> bye
[12:21] <frank_> what do the new kde 3.4.2 packages fix?
[12:23] <CellarDoor> dunno
[12:23] <CellarDoor> I'm adding repo so I can get it
[12:24] <CellarDoor> maybe It will fix my fonts ;)
[12:24] <apokryphos> frank_: bugs
[12:24] <CellarDoor> lol
[12:24] <frank_> apokryphos: bugs from the last 3.4.2?
[12:24] <frank_> does kcontrol work better?
[12:24] <apokryphos> frank_: no, from 3.4.1
[12:25] <frank_> apokryphos: there is a second version of 3.4.2 out today
[12:25] <apokryphos> if you're talking about the newer packages in the *kubuntu* repository (as opposed to the old ones), then it's just going to be package-related fixes
[12:25] <frank_> well 36 packages changed today
[12:26] <apokryphos> See the individual package changelogs for more info
[12:26] <frank_> apokryphos: the changelogs are not there
[12:27] <apokryphos> frank_: erm, of course they are. Whether they are documented to note the fixes is another issue
[12:28] <frank_> Failed to fetch the changelog for karm
[12:28] <frank_> URI was: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/k/kdepim/kdepim_3.4.2-0ubuntu0hoary2/changelog
[12:29] <apokryphos> frank_: I did say check the individual package changelogs... use apt/synaptic/kynaptic/kpackage
[12:29] <apokryphos> Ok, not actually sure if Kynaptic can do it actually
[12:30] <frank_> I'm using synaptic. That's where the error came from. I tried "Download changelog" for karm
[12:31] <apokryphos> it doesn't display the changelog in kynaptic?
[12:31] <apokryphos> you're also only checking kdepim
[12:31] <apokryphos> and it doesn't look like there's been another 3.4.2 version of kdepim
[12:32] <apokryphos> ok, looks like there is, but the changelog isn't showing on that site
[12:33] <sy> does anyone know how to compile files
[12:33] <sy> in linux
[12:33] <frank_> I don't think kynaptic can see changelogs but I use synaptic all the time anyways. yeah I know there are no changelongs for any of the new packages as far as I can tell
[12:33] <apokryphos> sy: do you know how to Google? :)
[12:33] <mart> frank_: there are always changelogs for packages
[12:33] <mart> kdepim (4:3.4.2-0ubuntu2)
[12:34] <mart> Add kubuntu_07_korganiser_libraries.diff fix compile order
[12:34] <mart> Add kubuntu_08_kmail_attachments.diff fix empty attachments http://bugs.k
[12:34] <mart> de.org/109003
[12:34] <frank_> mart: how did you get that?
[12:35] <mart> er, I've got the update and read /usr/share/doc/karm/changelog.Debian.gz but it's also at http://packages.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/k/kdepim/kdepim_3.4.2-0ubuntu1/changelog
[12:35] <mart> actually, er....
[12:37] <mart> that's for breezy, but I guess the packages contain the same fixes
[12:37] <mart> see also http://kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_4_1to3_4_2.php
[12:38] <apokryphos> mart: he's looking for only the changes in the 3.4.2 packages produced originally, and the ones today
[12:38] <apokryphos> Synaptic doesn't show changelogs like I thought it did... I seem to view them fine in KPackage though
[12:39] <frank_> mart: I already had kde 3.4.2 in hoary. But today, it changed again. I'd like to know what changed between 3.4.2-0ubuntu0-hoary1 and 3.4.2-0ubuntu0-hoary2
[12:39] <mart> frank_: have you downloaded it already?
[12:39] <frank_> mart: yeah but not installed
[12:40] <sy> yes i know how to google
[12:40] <mart> frank_: oh, easiest thing is to install then read the unpacked changelog
[12:40] <mart> sy: you didn't say what you wanted to compile
[12:40] <mart> just 'files'
[12:40] <sy> and i have looked all over the place but when i get the file where do i download it to my deskto
[12:41] <frank_> mart: I know... but usually you can know before what changed 
[12:41] <sy> desktop*
[12:41] <apokryphos> sy: read the "INSTALL" file that should come with the package, inside the tar
[12:42] <sy> ok thanks
[12:42] <sy> i am kinda new to kubuntu
[12:42] <sy> or linux
[12:43] <apokryphos> sy: no worries. Check the file provided, it has instructions and a description
[12:43] <apokryphos> sy: and, what is it that you're trying to compile?
[12:44] <frank_> sy: It's not often that you really need to compile stuff
[12:44] <foobrain> Hello
[12:44] <foobrain> Very impressive linux dist
[12:44] <lgsobalvarro> hello foobrain
[12:45] <foobrain> May I ask what compiler I should install?
[12:45] <foobrain> I want to be able to build glib for instance
[12:45] <mart> build-essential is a good bet
[12:45] <foobrain> mostly because firefox wont install without it :)
[12:45] <lgsobalvarro> footbrain install glib, automake, make...
[12:46] <frank_> foobrain: you can get firefox with apt-get or synaptic
[12:46] <mart> foobrain: you're compiling firefox?
[12:46] <sy> well i am kinda dumb
[12:46] <frank_> sy: what is it you want to install?
[12:46] <equex> hi i am trying to make OpenGL work with X. seems i cannot achieve Direct Rendering. I got about 70 fps with glgears and then i trid to set useinternalAGPgart to TRUE then i got about 10x better framerate, stil it sucks and cant even be used for screensavers
[12:47] <foobrain> mart: I get an error message when trying to run firefox-install
[12:47] <sy> airsnort
[12:47] <foobrain> frank_: how would I go about getting firefox with apt-get or synaptic? heh
[12:47] <mart> foobrain: what's wrong with the packaged firefox? why are you trying to compile it?
[12:48] <foobrain> mart: I'm not trying to compile it, I'm trying to install it... or am I doing it wrong?
[12:48] <sy> i love linux   and how smooth
[12:48] <sy> it is
[12:48] <frank_> !repositories
[12:48] <ubotu> rumour has it, repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto, or repos
[12:48] <frank_> foobrain: check out this link, then use synaptic to install stuff
[12:48] <frank_> sy: same thing for you too
[12:48] <apokryphos> foobrain: firefox is in the Ubuntu repositories, there's a binary, so there's no need to install it from the package provided at mozilla.org
[12:49] <apokryphos> foobrain: just sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[12:49] <sy> thanks guys
[12:51] <foobrain> eh, which is best, the synaptic or apt-get?
[12:52] <foobrain> I'm confused... hehe
[12:52] <foobrain> silly me
[12:52] <foobrain> will the ubuntu repo allow me to install dev apps?
[12:52] <foobrain> another question, what
[12:52] <foobrain> 's the default root pw?
[12:53] <foobrain> I can't recall setting one when I installed the os
[12:53] <apokryphos> Synaptic and APT are the same thing. Synaptic is just the GUI front-end of apt
[12:53] <foobrain> oh, roger that
[12:53] <apokryphos> There is no root password in Ubuntu
[12:53] <apokryphos> !rootsudo
[12:53] <ubotu> somebody said rootsudo was at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[12:54] <foobrain> aha... interesting
[12:54] <apokryphos> Install dev apps...? What?
[12:56] <foobrain> so I can compile and code and stuff
[12:57] <apokryphos> yes, of course
[12:57] <foobrain> I just noticed
[12:57] <foobrain> very cool
[12:58] <foobrain> kubuntu called it Kynaptic instead of synaptic... confusing
[12:58] <apokryphos> They're different programs
[12:58] <foobrain> ok
[01:00] <wellso> i still prefer synaptic
[01:00] <apokryphos> Kynaptic is very primitive
[01:00] <foobrain> where can I find synaptic then?
[01:00] <foobrain> is it gnome only or... ?
[01:01] <apokryphos> not entirely usable, even, I think. If you need to use a GUI KDE front-end use KPackage
[01:01] <frank_> install synaptic with kynaptic] 
[01:01] <foobrain> ... it's that easy ey?
[01:01] <foobrain> kool
[01:01] <wellso> i just type sudo synaptic
[01:01] <frank_> synaptic works perfectly in kde too
[01:01] <apokryphos> wellso: you should *never* run GUI apps with plain sudo
[01:01] <wellso> kdesu
[01:01] <wellso> lol still trying remember that one
[01:02] <apokryphos> =)
[01:02] <frank_> synaptic ends up in the kde system menu
[01:02] <apokryphos> frank_: it's just about bearable once you have the gtk-qt package
[01:03] <frank_> apokryphos: I don't even have that, does it work well?
[01:03] <apokryphos> Very well, yes. You should definitely get it. Any GTK apps (if you use any) are pretty ugly otherwise
[01:04] <frank_> apokryphos: I know, they are... but it didn't really bother me but more consistency would be nice
[01:04] <wellso> has it got a package in the rep.?
[01:04] <apokryphos> Yes. gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[01:05] <wellso> thanks mate
[01:05] <apokryphos> I think they might make that a default package installed for Kubuntu. They sure should.
[01:05] <apokryphos> you can then modify the settings for GTK apps in kcontrol, btw.
[01:07] <frank_> apokryphos: does it pretty up firefox too?
[01:07] <frank_> apokryphos: I mean the save dialog
[01:07] <apokryphos> To some degree, sure. The package makes it so that all GTK apps use teh Qt style/windec
[01:13] <_frank> apokryphos: I installed gtk-qt engine but I don't see any difference in synaptic. I restarted kde since then. anything else I need to do?
[01:14] <apokryphos> _frank: check the settings from kcontrol
[01:15] <Douglas> so let's say I upgraded to weezy on my laptop and it broke everything, how do I downgrade again?
[01:16] <apokryphos> Douglas: things *are* broken in breezy. X is currently broken, I believe.
[01:16] <apokryphos> To downgrade you'd have to do a few force installs with dpkg I guess. Would be quite a big hassle, I'd imagine.
[01:17] <wellso> could you recover your stuff with the live CD and re-install?
[01:17] <_frank> apokryphos: Ok I got synaptic to change but it looks worse. It doesn't look like my other kde app either.
[01:17] <apokryphos> _frank: did you make it use the current Qt theme/windec/font?
[01:17] <_frank> yeah
[01:17] <Douglas> seriously, that blows, and makes me sad.
[01:18] <_frank> as far as the kcontrol settings go yeah
[01:18] <apokryphos> it's not going to look like them, but it will use the same KDE theme and windec. Are you saying it's not?
[01:18] <wellso> Douglas: whats broken
[01:18] <wellso> ?
[01:18] <Douglas> X seems to be broken for starters.
[01:18] <Douglas> so just apt-get install xorg --force
[01:18] <_frank> Well the basic "empty space" color is different so I don't think its using the same
[01:18] <Douglas> or something?
[01:18] <Douglas> I changed my sources.list back.
[01:19] <wellso> that would be my plan of attack but I dont really know much about linux
[01:19] <apokryphos> That won't really do anything, since apt always looks for the latest version.
[01:19] <Douglas> oh, can I force it to downgrade a single package?
[01:20] <Douglas> hey, could I do, apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop or something like that then re add it?
[01:20] <apokryphos> with dpkg, I believe you can, yeah.
[01:20] <wellso> could apt remove the package and then re-install from the terminal
[01:21] <Douglas> Because I did it to my desktop box to but I havn't reboot yet.
[01:21] <Douglas> :)
[01:21] <Douglas> the laptop however just pooped all over itself
[01:21] <Douglas> when I rebooted it.
[01:21] <apokryphos> you could use dpkg --install --force-overwrite {somepackage}.deb
[01:21] <wellso> are u running breezy on both?
[01:21] <Douglas> I'll try some stuff but I'll probably just reinstall later
[01:22] <apokryphos> Douglas: reinstalling is probably the best option
[01:22] <Douglas> I was, but I changed my sources.list back to hoary and did an apt-get update and and apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:22] <Douglas> damn, that makes me super sad.
[01:22] <Douglas> I'll work on it. 
[01:22] <Douglas> Thanks everytone.
[01:25] <_frank> apokryphos: I got rid of the gtk-qt thing. I like it better this way
[01:26] <apokryphos> _frank: I'm kind of wondering if you've got it right, since GTK apps are super ugly without it 
[01:26] <apokryphos> not quite sure how you'd get it wrong though...
[01:26] <foobrain> super ugly?
[01:26] <foobrain> what makes them look better?
[01:26] <apokryphos> The style is hard to look at, yes. 
[01:26] <_frank> apokryphos: it was even worse
[01:26] <apokryphos> The change in style, and the window decoration. Looks like I'm properly running a GUI app, should I ever venture into it
[01:27] <apokryphos> how exactly would it be *worse*? Are you saying that your KDE theme is bad?
[01:27] <foobrain> what should I install to make them look better?
[01:27] <apokryphos> maybe you shoulda pulled in a screeny...
[01:27] <apokryphos> foobrain: gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[01:27] <_frank> apokryphos: I'm using plastik as theme and synaptic was not using that
[01:27] <foobrain> apokryphos: where do I find that? I didn't find it in Synaptic
[01:28] <apokryphos> _frank: then something apparently went wrong
[01:28] <apokryphos> foobrain: it's in Universe. You'll have to add that repository. See...
[01:28] <apokryphos> !repositories
[01:28] <ubotu> methinks repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto, or repos
[01:29] <apokryphos> heh, someone left the comma there
[01:30] <apokryphos> ubotu: no repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:30] <ubotu> apokryphos: okay
[01:30] <apokryphos> Ok. Also just realised those are made for gnomers
[01:31] <apokryphos> foobrain: basically, just edit /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment (remove the "#") from the line that has "Universe"
[01:32] <foobrain> ok, let me try that
[01:33] <apokryphos> You will need to have root permissions to edit the file. So alt+f2 -> kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:33] <apokryphos> err.... alt+f2 -> kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:33] <foobrain> ty
[01:34] <foobrain> uncomment all lines with Universe in them+
[01:34] <foobrain> ?
[01:34] <apokryphos> yes
[01:34] <supernix> in windows if a programs run into trouble you can do ctrl+alt+delete what is the equivalent in linux ?
[01:36] <apokryphos> Ctrl+Esc for the processes running. Ctrl+Alt+Esc + Click to kill a program, or killall {appname} in konsole
[01:36] <apokryphos> these should only really be used as a last result
[01:39] <foobrain> is there a gallery somewhere that allows you to see the differences between qt and other themes?
[01:40] <foobrain> heh... google, sorry for the retarded q
[01:41] <apokryphos> Qt isn't a theme
[01:41] <apokryphos> It's a toolkit for C++
[01:41] <apokryphos> it's the toolkit that KDE uses
[01:41] <foobrain> yeah I know
[01:41] <apokryphos> many different *kde* themes at http://kdelook.org
[01:42] <foobrain> y
[01:42] <foobrain> ty
[01:42] <foobrain> what do I have to do to see the changes now that I've installed gtk2-engine-qt?
[01:43] <apokryphos> In theory, just restart the GTK app. In practice, it seems that a lot of people have had to restart KDE
[01:43] <foobrain> and how do I restart KDE? reboot?
[01:44] <apokryphos> foobrain: KMenu -> Logout
[01:44] <apokryphos> End Current Session
[01:44] <foobrain> ok
[01:45] <foobrain> can I install more gtk2 themes at the same time and somewhere choose which to use?
[01:46] <apokryphos> gtk themes are useful for GNOME... in KDE you only use KDE themes
[01:47] <foobrain> ok thx
[01:47] <foobrain> bbiab
[01:51] <beltranuser> hola
[01:52] <foobrain> fixed it
[01:53] <foobrain> had to select QT from "GTK Styles and Fonts" in the Control Center
[02:17] <sy> man i can not figure out how to install stuff
[02:18] <sy> can NY ONE TELL ME WHERE TO GO TO INSTALL STUFF
[02:19] <duende> Run synaptic or knaptic
[02:20] <apokryphos> sy: and quit shouting
[02:20] <sy> sorry i just fixed that
[03:13] <mark_> hi everyone, I'm having a problem with pam_ldap...
[03:13] <mark_> from /var/log/auth.log (client) "Invalid user maksym from ::ffff:127.0.0.1"
[03:13] <mark_> more info at: http://pastebin.com/328874
[03:14] <mark_> can someone help me?
[03:21] <supernix> Hi
[03:22] <supernix> I seem to have a KDE malfunction
[03:22] <supernix> I seem to have my Gnome and KDE trying to interoperate
[03:22] <supernix> I can't seem to adjust my wal paper
[03:27] <sy> do i have to go to konsole to in stall programs
[03:28] <supernix> sy you can use Kynaptic or Synaptic or Kpackage
[03:28] <spanglesontoast> is kde apps down?
[03:30] <sy> i am new to linux but it is kinda hard 
[03:30] <sy> what do they do?
[03:30] <sy> help to install thing
[03:30] <sy> ?
[03:31] <spanglesontoast> someone get help for sy
[03:31] <spanglesontoast> :P
[03:33] <sy> i think i am just dumb
[03:35] <spanglesontoast> nah
[03:35] <spanglesontoast> it's just not the right time of the nite
[03:36] <bobbyd> is there a command line app to read the cpu temp?
[03:36] <sy> well i am really good with xp and i know xp inside and out 
[03:36] <spanglesontoast> bet ya don't
[03:36] <spanglesontoast> popquiz
[03:36] <sy> what
[03:36] <bobbyd> sy, run synaptic to install programs
[03:36] <spanglesontoast> what is the name of activation file?
[03:36] <sy> for xp
[03:37] <spanglesontoast> yes
[03:37] <supernix> I seem to have my Gnome and KDE trying to interoperate
[03:37] <supernix> I can't seem to adjust my wallpaper
[03:37] <sy> pyypmdmqmf377wb7667jh9py8
[03:37] <spanglesontoast> er
[03:37] <spanglesontoast> that's a cd key
[03:38] <sy> lol
[03:38] <supernix> and my context menu when it pops up is the Gnome menu
[03:38] <spanglesontoast> not the name of the file
[03:38] <spanglesontoast> the correct name is .wpa
[03:43] <sy> bobbyd: 
[03:43] <sy> bobbyd: do i have to compile it
[03:44] <bobbyd> sy, it's in the k-menu system->kynaptic
[03:44] <bobbyd> the gnome version 'synaptic' is a more mature app IMHO
[03:45] <bobbyd> you can install that using kynaptic
[03:47] <sy> ok found it and i want install airsnort
[03:50] <equex> could someone explained why the "Keyboard model" listbox is empty in Keyboard Layout in the control centre ?
[03:51] <equex> and i cant add keyboard layouts either
[03:51] <equex> can i add these manually by having multiple sections in xorg.conf ?
[03:52] <equex> i have a 104 key standard keyboard and it used to show before i upgradded KDE i think
[03:53] <equex> but then again i have also installed ati drivers, wich also messes with x
[03:54] <Kovecses> equex: whats the problem?
[03:55] <equex> KDE doesnt see what keyboard i have and can thus not add new keyboard layouts it seems. all the controls in the control panel are just not functioning and they are all empty (in the Keyboard layout section?
[03:55] <basit> can any tell me apt url for 5.10?
[03:55] <equex> )
[03:55] <Kovecses> somebody else had that problem
[03:56] <equex> yeah
[03:56] <Kovecses> ive installed the ati drivers and didnt have that problem
[03:56] <equex> makes me have to switch to windows to get actual work doe
[03:56] <equex> done
[03:56] <equex> :(
[03:56] <basit> is kubuntu 5.10 is there?
[03:57] <Kovecses> it doesnt detect it even on a fresh install?
[03:57] <equex> yes it worked perfectly before
[03:57] <equex> suddenly it broke
[03:58] <apokryphos> basit: it's not out, but it's in development.
[03:58] <apokryphos> !breezy
[03:58] <apokryphos> gah
[03:58] <Kovecses> so i would take time and do a fresh install and try and do everything the same....and see what you did that broke it
[03:58] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell basit about breezy
[03:58] <basit> apokryphos, can you tell me apt url to put it 
[03:58] <basit> apokryphos, i'm already running ubuntu breezy
[03:58] <equex> Kovecses: hehe nope, i installed way too much to do that now
[03:59] <equex> need to fix it the hard way
[03:59] <equex> anyway
[03:59] <apokryphos> basit: many things are broken; and it's a huge mission to downgrade, but use it at your own peril. You just replace all entries of "hoary" with "breezy"
[03:59] <Kovecses> hmm...did you try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:59] <equex> yes Kovecses 
[03:59] <equex> did not fix it
[04:00] <basit> apokryphos, i tried,
[04:00] <basit> but not found
[04:00] <apokryphos> basit: can you paste the exact error output?
[04:00] <basit> http://kubuntu.org/breezy-kde342/dists/breezy-updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 
[04:00] <basit> 404 not found
[04:00] <Kovecses> equex: can you type at all with it?
[04:00] <apokryphos> heh
[04:00] <basit> I probably is giving wrong url
[04:01] <basit> :)
[04:01] <apokryphos> basit: don't do it for kubuntu.org stuff
[04:01] <apokryphos> basit: it's hoary-specific
[04:01] <basit> hmm 
[04:01] <basit> then?
[04:01] <equex> Kovecses: yes but only with english keymap. i need to be able to switch to norwegian keymap as well
[04:01] <apokryphos> basit: the other ones of course. Main, Universe, Multiverse...
[04:01] <basit> they don't have 3.4.2
[04:02] <Kovecses> equex: ahh ok
[04:02] <apokryphos> basit: yes, they do.
[04:02] <basit> i did apt-get install kde
[04:02] <equex> and now i *cant* add keymaps anymore, for some strange reason
[04:02] <Kovecses> equex: did you try kdesu kcontrol?
[04:02] <basit>  kde: Depends: kde-core but it is not going to be installed
[04:02] <basit>        Depends: kde-amusements but it is not going to be installed
[04:02] <equex> nope Kovecses 
[04:02] <apokryphos> Hm, I see it hasn't been ported to breezy yet, then. 
[04:02] <apokryphos> They obviously have no rush to do so, neither.
[04:03] <basit> yup
[04:03] <Kovecses> equex: are the options greyed out or simply not there?
[04:03] <basit> but xmms doesn't start in breezy
[04:03] <basit> :)
[04:03] <apokryphos> basit: why would you use xmms?
[04:03] <basit> abasit@basit:~$ xmms
[04:03] <basit> Message: device: default
[04:03] <basit> DBAudioLib ERROR: could not create shared memory for system data.
[04:03] <basit> apokryphos, it can play wma
[04:03] <basit> what else to use?
[04:03] <apokryphos> well, yeah, many things are gonna be broken.
[04:03] <equex> heh Kovecses 
[04:04] <Kovecses> equex: how did you switch them before?
[04:04] <equex> i started kcontrol and for some reason knemo started.. that is a package i have had much problems with
[04:04] <basit> my touchpad is shaky 2.6.12
[04:04] <Kovecses> knemo? whats that
[04:04] <equex> Kovecses: i had it set up to switch with shift/contrl and i had an icon in the systray
[04:05] <equex> some network monitor app i think, i never asked for it
[04:05] <Kovecses> i dont even have that
[04:05] <equex> suddenly something depended in it and broke some other stuff (like kdevelop)
[04:05] <apokryphos> it's in KDE extragear; not installed by default.
[04:06] <Kovecses> somebody in this room has to know
[04:06] <equex> oh yeak kcontrol is what i was using Kovecses 
[04:07] <apokryphos> Kovecses: know what?
[04:07] <Kovecses> equex: so when you go in there what happens
[04:08] <equex> Kovecses: when i go to Regional and Accesibilty -> Keyboard layout, i cannot add layouts
[04:08] <Kovecses> equex: are they there though
[04:08] <equex> no
[04:08] <equex> its all empty
[04:08] <equex> evenb the Keyboard Model list
[04:09] <equex> evertyhing else inkcontrol works, just not that page
[04:09] <apokryphos> sounds like something's wrong with your kdelibs-data package
[04:09] <Kovecses> equex: yeah try reinstalling that
[04:09] <equex> oh ofcourse ! <sob>
[04:09] <equex> ill try reinstalling that
[04:10] <apokryphos> upgrade to 3.4.2 if you haven't already
[04:10] <Kovecses> did you upgrade?
[04:10] <equex> i did
[04:10] <equex> probably after the fact
[04:11] <equex> can i just do dpgk reinstall kdelibs-data ?
[04:11] <equex> cant do it from synaptic, gotta reinstall the whole KDE it seems
[04:12] <equex> cannot mark just the lib for reinstall
[04:12] <apokryphos> equex: when did you install 3.4.2?
[04:12] <equex> two days ago maybe
[04:12] <apokryphos> You should sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[04:13] <equex> i think i lost the maps before that but i am not reallysure if it was that or the ATI driver that broke it
[04:13] <apokryphos> a few fixes to the packages were uploaded recently
[04:13] <equex> one of the two it was
[04:13] <equex> okay
[04:13] <apokryphos> nothing to do with the ATI, I'm sure.
[04:13] <equex> cccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccc
[04:13] <equex> gah
[04:13] <apokryphos> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade        -- if kde packages are "held back"
[04:13] <equex> i also have problems with keyboard hangups
[04:13] <equex> obviously
[04:15] <equex> nope i am all good and upgraded it seems
[04:15] <equex> Building dependency tree... Done
[04:15] <equex> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[04:15] <apokryphos> you must have upgraded them somehow in the last 24 hours or so, then...
[04:16] <apokryphos> kde-config --version gives 3.4.2, right?
[04:16] <equex> most likely
[04:16] <equex> yep
[04:16] <equex> and kde config 1.0
[04:18] <apokryphos> Try reinstalling kdelibs-data then. sudo apt-get install --reinstall kdelibs-data should do it, I believe
[04:18] <equex> LOL
[04:18] <equex> i dont even have knemo installed
[04:19] <equex> and yet it pops up when i start kcontrol
[04:19] <apokryphos> I believe teh package was broken some time ago
[04:19] <apokryphos> which means it could semi-install, and apt'll think it's not installed
[04:19] <equex> maybe install, and remove again
[04:19] <apokryphos> and since it's connected to kcontrol, I can see why it may pop-up (it's configurable from there)
[04:20] <apokryphos> Anyhow, I'm off to bed now. Good luck. =)
[04:20] <equex> Reinstallation of kdelibs-data is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
[04:20] <equex> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[04:20] <equex> oki :)
[04:21] <equex> thanks for the help so far
[04:21] <equex> didnt work from synaptic either
[04:22] <apokryphos> I'd check if you definitely have the same appropriate things in sources.list
[04:22] <apokryphos> the 3.4.2 repository; if it's a mirror, check that it's still functional
[04:35] <ralph1> Could someone help me check to insure that I have all the needed gpg packages installed and kmail configured properly to check signatures and retrive missing ones. Right now it is painfully slow, I have gpg sig retrival unchecked and a lot of times I just kill gpg.
[04:45] <_droid_> Thunderbird and enigmail works better
[05:04] <pvh> I am getting hard lockups under Kubuntu. Could I get some help diagnosing the problem? I have compiled a fairly decent list of symptoms.
[05:05] <pvh> The display freezes but the pointer keeps moving.
[05:05] <pvh> I can't Ctl-Alt-F1 to another screen.
[05:18] <pvh> Other symptoms include: Amarok finishes the current playing song but will not start the next.
[05:19] <pvh> I can ssh in and see xorg consuming all the CPU time, but cannot terminate it.
[05:20] <pvh> It seems to happen most often in Konq/Firefox, but I usually am using one or the other, so I can't say how significant that is.
[05:25] <supernix> Well in case you were not paying attention they have updated the KDE 3.4.2 with a release to fix God only knows what problems
[05:29] <PurpleMotion> Does anyone here have any experience with building kwin decos?
[05:29] <PurpleMotion> I've deisnged one, now I want to use it, heh...
[05:48] <luminerd> what is the tool that updates your X config again?
[05:48] <luminerd> sudo aptitude update-xorg or something?
[05:48] <TestMAD> !xorg
[05:48] <ubotu> TestMAD: I don't know
[05:48] <TestMAD> hmm
[05:48] <TestMAD> sorry..i cant remember off the top of my head
[05:49] <luminerd> ok :/ thanks
[06:03] <sy> hello all
[06:03] <luminerd> What might this mean in the log?  I got a (II) Generic Mouse: ps2EnableDadtaReporting: succeeded. No core pointer.  Fatal server error: failed to initialize core devices.
[06:09] <luminerd> http://pastebin.com/328961  Does anyone know what looks wrong with this part of my conf for a Kubuntu system with a PS/2 mouse?
[06:12] <supernix>  Anyone know a good client that you can use that is like Emule ?
[06:13] <sy> do you use kynaptic to install airsnort
[06:13] <sy> ?
[06:13] <supernix> You can
[06:13] <supernix> or use Synaptic
[06:13] <sy> but how
[06:13] <supernix> They are both package managers
[06:14] <supernix> You just start it up enter your password when asked then refresh your sources then search for the program your looking for then choose mark for install
[06:15] <supernix> Or you can use apt-get if that is the correct syntax and do apt-get -i airsnort
[06:16] <sy> in the konsole
[06:16] <supernix> Yes
[06:16] <sy> well it is a tar.gz
[06:16] <luminerd> where's my mouse?!
[06:18] <supernix> ah thought you were using deb sources
[06:18] <supernix> I don't know how to install using tar.gz files
[06:18] <supernix> othernoob is pretty helpful if you see him
[06:19] <supernix> crimsum is very helpful as well
[06:19] <sy> is that a web page
[06:20] <supernix> you best /j #ubuntu and ask them there
[06:30] <_shawn_> hi
[06:31] <_shawn_> I can't get live365 strwams working with amarok with the xine engine? help? suggestions?
[06:31] <_shawn_> *streams
[06:51] <milksteak> _shawn_, I use VLC for most streams
[06:56] <bur[n] er> can anyone tell me how to change the dpi in KDE?  in gnome it was 76 and wonderful... not sure what's going on here
[07:26] <arkie> i have 256MB RAM.....and 512MB swap....will increasing swap partition give me a perfomance boost?
[07:31] <paines> arkie: don't expect that
[07:31] <arkie> paines: why not:(
[07:31] <paines> because ram cannot be replaced with disc space
[07:32] <arkie> what if i decrease swap????
[07:35] <arkie> what if i decrease swap????
[07:35] <_shawn_> I'd say no
[07:38] <sproingie> is there a key in konqueror to give focus to the search combo box?
[07:39] <sproingie> i'm used to hitting ctrl-k in firefox, and it's driving me crazy not having the same in konq
[07:51] <vijayendra> hi all
[07:52] <vijayendra> i have install kubuntu on my compaq presario v2036 laptop
[07:52] <vijayendra> but here touch pad is not working properly
[07:53] <vijayendra> i cant able to click using touchpad
[07:53] <vijayendra> can any one pls help me
[07:53] <vijayendra> ?
[07:53] <arkie> hi there
[07:54] <arkie> sorry i dunno 
[07:54] <vijayendra> hmm
[07:54] <vijayendra> k
[07:54] <arkie> K?
[07:54] <vijayendra> ok..
[07:55] <arkie> try suse 9.3 pro:)
[07:55] <vijayendra> what is suse 9.3
[07:55] <arkie> u dont know suse 9.3!
[07:55] <sirukin> www.suse.de
[07:55] <arkie> its a distro like kubuntu
[07:55] <sirukin> it's suse not "suse 9.3"
[07:55] <arkie> whatever......was referring to version
[07:56] <sirukin> SuSe is a commercial Linux distrobution based in germany iirc
[07:56] <arkie> its good for laptops
[07:56] <sirukin> it offers everything a workstation would need.
[07:56] <arkie> distribution not distrobution:)
[07:56] <arkie> yup yup
[07:56] <sirukin> mmmkay
[07:56] <sirukin> correct me again
[07:57] <arkie> BEST distro is Ark Linux
[07:57] <arkie> mmmkay is sapnish:)
[07:57] <sirukin> I'd say I've enjoyed kubuntu the most, but the most educational would be lfs
[07:57] <arkie> lfs? whats that?
[07:57] <sirukin> Linux From Scratch
[07:58] <sirukin> it's not really a "distribution" per se
[07:58] <sirukin> but it's more along the lines of what a Linux system *is*
[07:58] <arkie> thats for geeks....dont recommend such things here plz
[07:58] <sirukin> why
[07:58] <Elsidox> does anyone know how to change the home page in kon?
[07:58] <sirukin> windows users present?
[07:59] <PurpleMotion> damn, i impress myself
[07:59] <arkie> sirukin is a geek
[07:59] <sirukin> "go geek or go home"
[07:59] <sirukin> ;P
[07:59] <Elsidox> anyone?
[07:59] <PurpleMotion> is kde-look.org dead for anyone else?
[08:00] <arkie> yes elsidox.......
[08:00] <arkie> go to configure konq
[08:00] <arkie> nope....dead for u methinks:)
[08:00] <sirukin> hmm
[08:00] <Elsidox> arkie: ... I feel dumb. lol. 
[08:00] <sirukin> you know that screen that comes up when you open konq?
[08:00] <arkie> u should be prud:)
[08:00] <sirukin> with the weird named stuff
[08:01] <Elsidox> arkie: I see it now that u tell me to open it. But when I opened it before I didnt notice it
[08:01] <PurpleMotion> have you tried it recently? cause i seem to be able to get anywhere else
[08:01] <arkie> hmmm....thats me doing magic on ur Pc:)
[08:01] <sirukin> like "home folder", "storage media", Network folders" and "settings"?
[08:01] <sirukin> well click settings
[08:01] <arkie> sirukin is from spain:)
[08:01] <Elsidox> arkie: lol. Well whatever the chase thanks. Now do you know how to remove the status of users from the tabs in kopete?
[08:02] <sirukin> I'm from Canada
[08:02] <arkie> i use gaim sorry:)
[08:02] <arkie> no ure from spain
[08:02] <arkie> ha ha
[08:02] <sirukin> heh
[08:02] <arkie> what does lol mean?
[08:02] <sirukin> loud out laugh
[08:03] <arkie> hmm
[08:03] <Elsidox> arkie: ist cool. Thanks.
[08:03] <arkie> welcome dear children:)
[08:04] <arkie> Ark linux is best distro on earth:)
[08:04] <arkie> anyone tried that?
[08:04] <arkie> its free......and 5 CDs!
[08:04] <arkie> looks like evryones asleep:)
[08:04] <Elsidox> lol
[08:05] <Elsidox> ive seen screenshots
[08:05] <arkie> try it.....the next release will be out this month
[08:05] <Elsidox> seriously?
[08:05] <arkie> aint that cooooooool!
[08:05] <arkie> YUP
[08:05] <arkie> and the new one is going to rock!
[08:05] <Elsidox> It looks like it has alot of tools id never use
[08:06] <arkie> yes but its ideal for both newbie & developer......lots of games!
[08:07] <Elsidox> im not a newb or a dev
[08:07] <Elsidox> =)
[08:07] <sirukin> games?
[08:07] <arkie> the what r u?
[08:07] <Elsidox> how do I get rid of that fugly intro screen when I open kon?
[08:07] <arkie> yes games....nice games u can play with ur sis:)
[08:08] <sirukin> hmm
[08:08] <Elsidox> arkie: an experienced user? heh
[08:08] <sirukin> well I'm out
[08:08] <sirukin> later
[08:08] <arkie> so so
[08:09] <arkie> elsidox whats ur age?
[08:10] <Elsidox> arkie: im 17
[08:11] <Elsidox> arkie: why do you ask
[08:15] <arkie> just like that:)
[08:15] <arkie> me 21:)
[08:15] <arkie> i'm elder than u:)
[08:15] <arkie> 17 and so much into linux...goood
[08:16] <kakalto> lol
[08:17] <kakalto> 17? old foegie!
[08:17] <kakalto> :P
[08:17] <PurpleMotion> http://www.daede.com/MyNewDesktop.jpg
[08:17] <PurpleMotion> :D
[08:19] <arkie> nice desktop purple:)
[08:19] <PurpleMotion> did the window deco myself
[08:19] <PurpleMotion> tyvm
[08:19] <arkie> but looks tooooooooo ugly:)
[08:19] <PurpleMotion> how can it be nice and look too ugly
[08:19] <PurpleMotion> im confused now
[08:20] <arkie> he he
[08:21] <arkie> i mean the wallpaper could be better:)
[08:21] <PurpleMotion> i like this wallpaper a lot actually.. you cant really see it, but there's a glass rose beside her
[08:22] <arkie> hmmm...u vulgar little guy:)
[08:22] <PurpleMotion> you're an odd one
[08:25] <arkie> lol
[08:54] <Kmorph> Hello
[08:56] <m0ns00n> Hey
[08:56] <m0ns00n> Any official developers here for kubuntu / ubuntu?
[08:58] <crimsun> ask in #kubuntu-devel and #ubuntu-devel
[09:01] <m0ns00n> oh
[09:30] <Sputn1k> i can't mount my win partition: jurgis@ubuntu:~$ dmesg | tail   FAT: IO charset utf8 not found, how can i install IO charset utf8?... Help me please... :/
[09:32] <ralph1>  Can anyone help with Kgpg. I do not seem to be able to delete keys, and I am unable to import keys. I am using kubuntu 5.04 updated to kde3.4.2
[09:32] <paines> Sputn1k, what did you type/do to mount it ?
[09:33] <Sputn1k> sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/windows/ -t vfat -o iocharset=utf8,umask=000
[09:33] <paines> Sputn1k, is it an kubuntu kernel, or self compiled ?
[09:33] <Sputn1k> self compiled
[09:34] <paines> Sputn1k, well seems like you forget to compiel nls_utf
[09:34] <paines> Sputn1k, well seems like you forget to compiel nls_utf8
[09:34] <Sputn1k> f***k
[09:34] <Sputn1k> now its too late?
[09:35] <Sputn1k> ?
[09:36] <paines> NO
[09:36] <paines> ups
[09:36] <paines> i mean no
[09:36] <paines> :)
[09:36] <Sputn1k> :)
[09:36] <Sputn1k> so how can i do that?
[09:36] <paines> just enable the nls_utf8 as module
[09:36] <paines> do make
[09:36] <paines> make modules_install
[09:36] <Sputn1k> modprobe nls_utf8?
[09:36] <paines> that should do it
[09:36] <Sputn1k> oh
[09:36] <paines> yes
[09:44] <Elsidox> does anyone know how to make .nfo files?
[10:08] <Imrahil> where is a good place to find info on ept?
[10:09] <PurpleMotion> the Error Proof Test?
[10:09] <PurpleMotion> drug store.
[10:10] <PurpleMotion> do you mean apt?
[10:12] <Imrahil> ept, i saw it mentioned as a kde replacement for synaptic kyaptic, etc
[10:15] <PurpleMotion> oh i dunno
[10:15] <PurpleMotion> never heard of it
[10:15] <PurpleMotion> i use apt-get heh
[10:22] <OculusAquilae> hi Sputn1k: have you get your X work yesterday, too?
[10:23] <Sputn1k> Yeah
[10:23] <Sputn1k> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/Official_nVidia
[10:23] <Sputn1k> this very helped me
[10:23] <OculusAquilae> me too
[10:23] <Sputn1k> :)
[10:24] <OculusAquilae> now i can finally try these shadows icculus implemented in ut2k4 :-)
[10:25] <Sputn1k> O.o
[10:25] <Sputn1k> ut2k4 wtf?
[10:26] <OculusAquilae> a game 
[10:26] <OculusAquilae> :-)
[10:57] <SpaceminD> hi there
[10:57] <SpaceminD> can any one help me to solve some problem in my kubuntu instalation on my laptop ?
[10:58] <OculusAquilae> hi SpaceminD
[10:58] <OculusAquilae> perhaps
[10:58] <OculusAquilae> whats your problem
[10:58] <SpaceminD> my kubuntu installation crashes when it try to detect and start pc card services, at 98%
[10:59] <OculusAquilae> have you written this e-mail to the mailing list SpaceminD?
[11:00] <SpaceminD> no i havent, i just want a quick solve to my problem if you can, otherwise im going to send them an email
[11:01] <paines> SpaceminD, you can start start the installation with linux nopcmcia
[11:01] <OculusAquilae> no, there was an email equivalent to you question :-)
[11:01] <OculusAquilae> right try nopcmcia
[11:10] <SpaceminD> thanks
[11:47] <Yannick_R> hello
[11:48] <Yannick_R> the menu of openoffice are all blured and the french fonts are not displayed, do you guys experienced the same problem ?
[11:48] <jpatrick> no
[11:49] <jpatrick> I never have had any font problems
[11:49] <jpatrick> :-/
[11:49] <nikkia> jpatrick: wow, that's lucky :P
[11:50] <jpatrick> just sound problems
[11:50] <jpatrick> Two I don't use OpenOffice
[11:52] <Yannick_R> :)
[11:52] <Yannick_R> jpatrick: you're using koffice ?
[11:52] <jpatrick> yes
[11:53] <jpatrick> I prefer the nice KDE look
[11:53] <Yannick_R> the look :D
[11:53] <jpatrick> Can't wait for KOffice 2
[11:53] <jpatrick> :)
[11:53] <Yannick_R> when is it supposed to come out ?
[11:54] <jpatrick> by the end of this year I think
[11:54] <jpatrick> with KDE 4 :-/
[11:54] <jpatrick> or something...
[11:54] <nikkia> jpatrick: you do much shell programming ?
[11:54] <jpatrick> no
[11:54] <jpatrick> why?
[11:54] <nikkia> or otherwise know if there is a way to make ping silent
[11:54] <Yannick_R> so it should come with kubuntu 6.04
[11:54] <nikkia> jpatrick: writing a script to run on cron to test if my IPv6 tunnel is up, and restart if not
[11:55] <jpatrick> I don't know :/
[11:55] <nikkia> and i need to use ping to tell if the connection is working (sometimes, the daemon runs, but the tunnel isn't up)
[11:55] <nikkia> that's not a problem, really, but it'd be nice not to have the result from the ping in the cron job output
[11:55] <hussam> Is kde-apps.org down? I can't seem to access it.
[11:56] <PieD> Yannick_R: same problem here ! :/
[11:56] <jpatrick> I only had a small shell program which attached a file to an email
[11:56] <PieD> Yannick_R: KDE 4 will more probably be in kubuntu 6.10 :/
[11:57] <Yannick_R> PieD: you have the same problem in openoffice ? only the blur thing of regional issues too ?
[11:57] <PieD> Yannick_R: no french char in the menus is shown correctly :/
[11:57] <PieD> see you later
[11:59] <jpatrick> brb
[12:00] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hiya
[12:00] <OculusAquilae> hi Rogue_Jedi_X
[12:00] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Could someone give me a hand with something?
[12:01] <nikkia> OMG, i don't have cron installed
[12:01] <nikkia> something i forgot, obviously
[12:01] <nikkia> which cron does ubuntu use? vixie ?
[12:03] <Rogue_Jedi_X> How do you change how non-KDE applications look? My Gaim and synaptic look like crap
[12:03] <OculusAquilae> Rogue_Jedi_X: theres a package that let gtk- apps look like kde ones
[12:04] <OculusAquilae> I look for the name
[12:04] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_X: install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[12:04] <OculusAquilae> yes right :-)
[12:04] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Thanks
[12:04] <nikkia> then use kcontrol to set the look and feel of gtk apps
[12:04] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Ah, spiffy
[12:05] <kakalto> can I try something?
[12:05] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I thought I'd have to look for another control center or something
[12:05] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_X: there is one, the gtk-themes selector, but just install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt as it makes gtk apps look a little more like kde apps
[12:06] <nikkia> the gtk themes all tend to look like crud anyway
[12:06] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I know, but at least I can make them look like pretty crud
[12:07] <Yannick_R> it's it good to use kde 3.4.2 ?
[12:07] <Yannick_R> I mean is it working good ?
[12:08] <nikkia> hmmm, this fcron IS better than vixie cron
[12:09] <OculusAquilae> Yannick_R: I have no Problems with kde 3.4.2
[12:09] <nikkia> altho some of their example 'enhanced' numbers are a bit weird
[12:09] <Yannick_R> is it going to be a problem if I'm using kde in french ?
[12:10] <Yannick_R> if I go for 3.4.2
[12:11] <nikkia> Yannick_R: i wouldn't imagine so
[12:11] <OculusAquilae> Yannick_R: i maybe that you have some untranslated parts, but most of it is translated (in german)
[12:11] <nikkia> i imagine the i18n_fr package is updated too
[12:12] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Another real quick question. Which is better: KMail or Thunderbird?
[12:13] <Yannick_R> thanks everybody ;)
[12:13] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_X: thats a very subjective question :)
[12:13] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_X: i prefer thunderbird, even though it annoys the heck out of me at times
[12:13] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hehe, how come?
[12:13] <nikkia> how come it annoys me? or how come i prefer it ?
[12:13] <OculusAquilae> Rogue_Jedi_X: i prefer kmail, because of its good integration in kontact
[12:13] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Should've been more clear, sorry. The first one
[12:14] <nikkia> thunderbird annoys me because of its lousy failure-condition handling
[12:14] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Ah
[12:14] <nikkia> ie, i have a mailbox setup for my work's email server, over VPN
[12:14] <nikkia> but since i'm not always connected, if i click on it by mistake in thunderbird, it tries to connect, and takes about 5 minutes to time-out
[12:15] <nikkia> but once its timed out on a mailbox, it never tries again until you restart thunderbird
[12:15] <nikkia> so i have to restart it if i mistakenly click on my work email mailbox
[12:15] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I've just recently discovered KMail and thought it may not be that bad, what with its AV and spam-filters and all
[12:15] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I've been using thunderbird so far
[12:15] <nikkia> the impression i always got with kmail, was that it was a better choice than thunderbird if you still use pop3, but for imap, thunderbird does a better job
[12:16] <nikkia> maybe thats changed in the last year or so, i don't know
[12:16] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Thanks for the info
[12:16] <Rogue_Jedi_X> How come Firefox and Thunderbird icons are different from normal ones?
[12:17] <nikkia> what do you mean ?
[12:17] <nikkia> you mean the kubuntu icons aren't the official mozilla ones?
[12:17] <nikkia> i can't say i've noticed that, but it would probably be because mozilla trademarked the icons
[12:17] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I mean the missing fox in the Firefox icon (just the globe) and the frozen phoenix (if that's what it is) for thunderbird
[12:18] <nikkia> debian distros have a 'problem' with firefox/thunderbird/mozilla, in that the licensing of some aspects (name, icons) isn't 'free'
[12:18] <nikkia> which is why its often called 'mozilla-firefox' rather than 'firefox'
[12:18] <nikkia> the mozilla org have a rule that if you make a modification to the firefox code, you can't call it 'firefox' anymore
[12:19] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Ah, I see
[12:19] <nikkia> they came to a sort of understanding on calling it 'mozilla-firefox' but its an ongoing issue, lots of heated talk over it
[12:20] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Make peace, not war
[12:21] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Anyway, this distro is really great. I've recently switched from Mandrake 2005 LE
[12:22] <Rogue_Jedi_X> If nothing else, package distribution is waaaay better
[12:28] <nikkia> wb jpatrick
[12:30] <jpatrick> thanks nikki
[12:30] <jpatrick> just tried to get shadows to work
[12:30] <jpatrick> haven't got enough RAM tho :-/
[12:32] <jpatrick> I think I'll buy some more
[12:32] <nikkia> yeah, i need more ram too
[12:32] <nikkia> but i can't afford it this month :/
[12:33] <jpatrick> me neither
[12:35] <jpatrick> does KOffice have a database maker?
[12:39] <OculusAquilae> jpatrick: something like kexi?
[12:39] <OculusAquilae> http://koffice.kde.org/kexi/
[12:41] <nikkia> about a million and one changes to my project, all of which are a major headache - most notably, they want more than 1 set of videos, but refuse to allow them to be played from disc, and there isn't the memory space for more than 1 set
[12:42] <uniq> hi.
[12:43] <nikkia> hi uniq
[12:43] <uniq> hello nikkia.
[12:43] <jpatrick> I don't have Kexi
[12:43] <jpatrick> :p
[12:43] <nikkia> jpatrick: its not very reliable anyway
[12:44] <jpatrick> I know
[12:44] <Frafra> hi all
[12:44] <Frafra> what i must add in /etc/apt/sources.list for get kde 3.4.2?
[12:44] <jpatrick> hi
[12:44] <jpatrick> see topic
[12:44] <Frafra> thx
[12:44] <Frafra> :)
[12:44] <jpatrick> http://kudos.berlios.de/
[12:44] <jpatrick> http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php
[12:44] <jpatrick> the second one
[12:45] <jpatrick> I wanted to make a database of all my C++ source codes and their exes
[12:45] <Frafra> there isn't for amd64
[12:46] <jpatrick> there isn't?
[12:46] <Frafra> mmm...
[12:47] <Frafra> no
[12:47] <Frafra> only for 32 bit
[12:48] <jpatrick> :-/
[12:49] <Frafra> can i get (with apt) the sources and compile it?
[12:50] <jpatrick> :-/ i wouldn't do that...
[12:51] <Frafra> exist a erpository with the sources?
[12:53] <Frafra> konstruct...
[12:53] <Frafra> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=48905&highlight=kde
[12:54] <m0ns00n> why isn't kexi in yet btw?
[12:55] <m0ns00n> for me it'd be the most useful app in the whole of koffice
[12:55] <jpatrick> I just set it up
[12:55] <jpatrick> download the rpm and alien
[12:55] <jpatrick> it
[12:56] <jpatrick> and there it is!
[12:56] <jpatrick> http://www.kexi-project.org/wiki/wikiview/index.php?Download#Kexi_0.9_-_without_KOffice
[12:56] <jpatrick> ^^
[12:59] <jpatrick> it won't run.. @_@
[01:00] <jpatrick> damn
[01:00] <jpatrick> there's a deb package in the Debian repos
[01:00] <jpatrick> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/kde/kexi
[01:02] <mart> jpatrick: I thought it was in the kubuntu repository?
[01:02] <jpatrick> I looked it said could not find
[01:03] <jpatrick> :-/
[01:03] <mart> jpatrick: I can see a package, let me check
[01:03] <jpatrick> i did apt-cache show kexi
[01:03] <mart> yeah, I get a result for that
[01:04] <mart> jpatrick: which kubuntu version are you on?
[01:04] <jpatrick> Hoary
[01:05] <jpatrick> _o/
[01:05] <mart> jpatrick: if I can get debootstrap to run, I can probably make a package for it, if you like
[01:05] <jpatrick> I have a package
[01:06] <mart> ok, but it won't run...?
[01:06] <jpatrick> it freaked out
[01:06] <mart> what does it say?
[01:06] <jpatrick> no I removed that one and downloaded the Debian repo one
[01:06] <jpatrick> kexi depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21);
[01:07] <jpatrick> and loads more
[01:07] <mart> ok...
[01:07] <jpatrick> I think I'll get Breezy like next week
[01:07] <nikkia> morning apokryphos
[01:08] <apokryphos> hey
[01:08] <jpatrick> yo apokryphos!
[01:08] <apokryphos> hi :)
[01:08] <nikkia> hmmm, fcron didn't run my tunnel check at 12:00
[01:09] <nikkia> oh, i see... when i do 'runnow' on the job, it reschedules the next scheduled execution to 'right now' and thus i moved the 12:00 job forward
[01:09] <apokryphos> What's the tunnel check for?
[01:10] <nikkia> apokryphos: the IPv6 tunnel i switched to when xs26 was down uses a daemon to establish/maintain the IPv6 tunnel
[01:10] <jpatrick> IPv6
[01:10] <nikkia> sometimes, the daemon seems to quit due to weirdness, and the tunnel doesn't restart
[01:10] <nikkia> so i have a crontab job that runs once an hour, checks if the daemon is running, if its not, restarts it, if it is running, and the connection isn't working, it kills and restarts it
[01:11] <nikkia> and fcron is waaay better than vixie cron :)
[01:11] <nikkia> ubuntu should consider switching to it :)
[01:12] <nikkia> ?
[01:13] <jpatrick> quack
[01:13] <apokryphos> nikkia: running away, since I don't know the difference and barely know their jobs 8)
[01:13] <nikkia> apokryphos: cron just runs things at specific times/intervals
[01:14] <apokryphos> yah
[01:14] <nikkia> vixie cron is pretty much a 100% reimplementation of classic cron, fcron adds some better job control, better time specifications, and a front end that lets you control job execution (runnow, kill, renice, etc)
[01:15] <nikkia> you can also have fcron run jobs based on uptime, apparently
[01:15] <apokryphos> Oh, I see. Yup, sounds nice.
[01:15] <apokryphos> do'h! Forgot to leave kde compiling overnight. Great. :|
[01:16] <nikkia> Ooo
[01:16] <nikkia> and fcron has a 'runas' facility
[01:17] <apokryphos> nikkia: know of a command to check your network uptime?
[01:17] <nikkia> apokryphos: no, i know its in the /proc files somewhere tho
[01:20] <mart> jpatrick: I don't think there is one
[01:20] <mart> jpatrick: I'm not even sure it's possible to compile it efficiently.
[01:20] <jpatrick> yeah
[01:20] <nikkia> there are a couple
[01:21] <nikkia> they all seem to be compilers to VMs tho
[01:21] <nikkia> .net, parrot, etc
[01:22] <mart> ok, my bad, I didn't think it would be possible, but I only looked at it briefly
[01:22] <mart> I'd love to see how the marshalling stuff gets compiled...
[01:22] <nikkia> mart, why not? there are compilers for just about every language :)
[01:22] <mart> nikkia: most scripting languages only have interpreters
[01:23] <nikkia> mart, such as ?
[01:23] <mart> or things that put the bytecode in an executable with a vm
[01:23] <nikkia> yes, but that's still compilation :)
[01:23] <rob^> whats the name of the kde irc client?
[01:23] <mart> konversation, ksirc
[01:23] <nikkia> and kvirc :)
[01:24] <rob^> thanks
[01:24] <rob^> ubuntu user here, trying to work out kde
[01:24] <nikkia> i prefer kvirc, but the version in the repositories is *very* old
[01:24] <nikkia> v2.0.1 iirc
[01:24] <nikkia> whereas the current version is 3.2.0
[01:25] <apokryphos> nikkia: what's kvirc got? Just interested.
[01:26] <nikkia> apokryphos: lots of things
[01:26] <nikkia> apokryphos: very configurable, very scriptable, and a reasonable interface
[01:26] <rob^> when I run gnome apps under kde it uses gtk1, how come?
[01:27] <apokryphos> rob^: dunno, but you can escape that by getting the gtk2-engines-gtk-qt package
[01:27] <apokryphos> nikkia: right. May try it out now
[01:28] <rob^> apokryphos, its still doing it
[01:28] <apokryphos> nikkia: it comes for Windoze too? Heh, didn't know that.
[01:28] <apokryphos> rob^: you have to restart the app; possibly kde.
[01:28] <rob^> maybe
[01:28] <rob^> brb
[01:28] <nikkia> apokryphos: yeah, but the windows version has a major annoyance
[01:29] <apokryphos> nikkia: you have to be in windows to use it ;-)
[01:29] <nikkia> apokryphos: because of the 'free' Qt for windows license, all window titles have a Qt message applied at the start...
[01:29] <nikkia> which you get used to, but it means you can't identify windows based on the titles in the taskbar
[01:30] <apokryphos> ah
[01:31] <nikkia> wow, this game takes the 'sneak-em-up' genre to new extremes
[01:31] <nikkia> i've been sat in this corner waiting for the guard to patrol into this room for 10 minutes now
[01:31] <apokryphos> Hah. What game?
[01:32] <nikkia> hitman 2
[01:33] <apokryphos> nikkia: haven't been into games since I didn't buy ps2; last game played properly-ish was Devil May Cry, for a couple of days. Not too bad. I still prefer Final Fantasy to any of these new games with great graphics ;-)
[01:33] <apokryphos> ghostwhowalks: ah, but can he fly?
[01:34] <ghostwhowalks> apokryphos: a little joke going on in #ubuntu atm :)
[01:35] <apokryphos> hehe
[01:36] <Yannick_R> I'm trying to install kde3.4.2 using the link from the topic, but it doesn't want to download the list of package
[01:37] <Yannick_R> I'm wondering it's maybe because I have an AM64
[01:37] <apokryphos> Yannick_R: what architecture are you on?
[01:37] <Yannick_R> AMD64
[01:37] <apokryphos> Ah, yes, it is. 64-bit packs aren't out yet.
[01:37] <Yannick_R> :(
[01:37] <Yannick_R> for 3.4.1 are they available ?
[01:37] <apokryphos> Yannick_R: I believe so, yes. 
[01:38] <Yannick_R> ok I'm gona try to go for the 3.4.1 then
[01:38] <apokryphos> 3.4.2 is only a few more bugfixes; you could compile I guess, but generally not really worth it...
[01:38] <Yannick_R> thank you apokryphos 
[01:40] <Yannick_R> why 3.4.1 is not installed when we update the system ?
[01:40] <Yannick_R> it's not stable ?
[01:41] <apokryphos> Yannick_R: nah, it just has a different repository -- a kubuntu.org one. Ideally it should be in backports, and I think they're working on that, but not sure; we'll wait n' see, I guess.
[01:42] <Yannick_R> apokryphos: do you know how much time will it take for the AMD64 version of 3.4.2 to be released
[01:43] <Yannick_R> I mean usually how much time it takes after the x86 comes
[01:43] <apokryphos> No idea, I'm afraid. Not too long, I'd think. Kubuntu is fast with getting packs out
[01:43] <apokryphos> I used to think that they'd come out at the same time :|, but not entirely sure anymore
[01:48] <granbar> Hey folks
[01:49] <Yannick_R> hello
[01:49] <granbar> How can I limit sshd to only accept certain users?
[01:49] <mart> nikkia: just remembered.  I didn't think a compiler would be possible, because it has something like an 'eval' construct, but if we're counting bundling an interpreter in an executable as compilation....
[01:50] <granbar> Never mind. I found out AllowGroups
[01:50] <nikkia> mart, erm, check out just how many lisp compilers exist
[01:50] <nikkia> mart, in fact, a large number of lisp interpreters compile on-the-fly to saved code blocks
[01:50] <mart> yeah, I never actually regarded them as compilers... :)
[01:51] <nikkia> mart, what about chicken ?
[01:52] <mart> don't know enough about it, point is that the runtime still needs to do compilation if arbitrary strings can be executed
[01:52] <nikkia> mart, personally, i regard lisp environments that compile to native code, and offer a means to save the native code, as compilers
[01:53] <mart> ok, but there's standalone native code, and standalone code that still needs to compile/interpret code in order to run
[01:53] <nikkia> just because the compiler is embedded in the libraries doesn't make it less a compiler
[01:54] <nikkia> take for instance most of the basic compilers on the 8bits, almost all of them embedded themselves within the compiled programs, but they were still compilers
[01:57] <mart> ok
[01:57] <nikkia> the upshot of that was, if you were lucky and bought a game that used a basic compiler, you effectively got a free copy of the compiler :P
[01:58] <nikkia> i remember using PSS's basic compiler that way from my copy of PSS's Frank N Stein :)
[01:59] <mart> nikkia: my background is in formal aspects, so I think I probably have a narrow mind re. what is and isn't a compiler :(
[02:00] <nikkia> surely the key is if it produces native code from structured input ?
[02:00] <nikkia> and as i said, most of the lisp environments *always* compile
[02:00] <mart> ah, native code, earlier it was ok to produce bytecode :)
[02:01] <mart> no seriously though,
[02:01] <nikkia> mart, well, bytecode is ok for me too, but i was giving you the benefit of the strict definition
[02:01] <mart> people doing formal methods rarely get beyond talking about traditional non-dynamic languages, because they're hard enough to get right (provably)
[02:02] <mart> languages with reflection tend to get ignored too - they're a nightmare to reason about
[02:05] <mart> nikkia: but I conceed, you're right :)
[02:09] <apokryphos_> nikkia: heh, looks cool/different
[02:09] <apokryphos_> reminds me of mIRC
[02:09] <apokryphos_> I wonder what it's like with resuming downloads (xchat and konversation fail, there).
[02:16] <nikkia> apokryphos: no idea, never tried dcc
[02:16] <nikkia> and yes, it looks a BIT like mirc, but that all depends on how you configure it
[02:20] <buz> imho, a compiler that embedds itself in the executable is more of an interpreter than anything else
[02:22] <nikkia> buz, i disagree, the distinction, IMO, is *how* the code is executed
[02:27] <_levin> hello
[02:33] <_simon> hi all
[02:38] <jpatrick> hi
[02:39] <_simon> i have a probblem with my headset. does somebody know how to turn of the sound of the mic in the headphones, so i can't hear myself speaking. is maybe not the right place to ask. thanks for every help!
[02:48] <granbar> _simon: Have you looked at KMix?
[03:04] <jpatrick> london high alert it said on the radio
[03:05] <jpatrick> that true?
[03:05] <buz> what does high alert mean?
[03:05] <buz> is that like preventive?
[03:05] <jpatrick> *shrugs*
[03:06] <nikkia> buz, it means SO19 can go out on the prowl
[03:17] <jeh_work> i installed kubuntu a few days ago, was a real smooth install (just press <enter> a lot)
[03:18] <antrix> i there going to be a kubuntu colony cd anytime soon?
[03:18] <jeh_work> however, the post-installation configuration seems to be quite lacking. i found nothing where i could easily add in NFS mounts, hook it up to our NIS etc
[03:19] <jeh_work> i can do it by hand, that's not the problem, i just thought that modern distros finally would do this graphically (yast is a good example of how it can be done)
[03:19] <OculusAquilae> jeh_work: right
[03:20] <jeh_work> i'll still install kubuntu for my wife, the kde installation seems to be really nice
[03:21] <paines> jeh_work, maybe http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance/ will be avilable for (k) ubuntu
[03:21] <paines> there you can manage shares like nfs, ans samba
[03:22] <jeh_work> paines: yeah, i've seen that one. looks promising
[03:22] <jeh_work> fedora has a lot of ugly but useful apps for managing the system
[03:23] <jeh_work> ah, guidance is done with pykde. i use pyqt heavily myself. *very* nice
[03:23] <kasir> !j
[03:23] <ubotu> kasir: Wish i knew
[03:26] <jeppe> hey
[03:26] <jeppe> Sombody from DK?
[03:29] <alakhia> anyone know how to turn off the animating cursor on app launch?
[03:33] <antrix> alakhia, it's in Kde control center
[03:33] <antrix> look for a launch feedback option 
[03:34] <alakhia> antrix: the funny thing is that I can't find control center in the menu
[03:35] <antrix> alakhia, i just noticed that too... have u upgraded to kde 3.4.2?
[03:35] <alakhia> antrix: yes, a week ago
[03:36] <antrix> yeah.. i guess some messed up package failed to install menu entry
[03:36] <alakhia> antrix: great ... :)
[03:36] <antrix> anyway, type settings:/ into any konqueror window's location
[03:36] <antrix> *location bar
[03:38] <alakhia> antrix: that worked! Thanks!
[03:40] <N17R0> Hi is there a easy way for mounting NTFS partitions? Like add the mount command in kwikdisk ?
[03:41] <N17R0> i dont like to typ all the time that LONGGG command in konsole to mount my NTFS partition
[03:42] <antrix> N17R0, you can add an entry to /etc/fstab
[03:42] <TestMAD> then just d it once to mount at boot
[03:43] <N17R0> hmm that i dont want, 
[03:43] <N17R0> i dont want it to mount automatic on boot
[03:43] <kasir> #yogyakarta
[03:44] <antrix> n17r0, u don't have to auto mount it at boot... just add it to fstab so kwikdisk picks it up
[03:44] <N17R0> hmm but isnt it auto-mounted on the next boot then ?
[03:44] <antrix> n17r0, like this: "/dev/hda1  /mnt/win_c  ntfs  noauto,umask=0222  0  0"
[03:45] <antrix> or better: "/dev/hda1  /mnt/win_c  ntfs  noauto,user,umask=0222  0  0"
[03:46] <N17R0> and does it need the parameter "nls=utf8"  also ?
[03:47] <N17R0> like this:  /dev/hda1 /mnt/win_c ntfs noauto,user,nls=utf8,umask=0222 0 0
[03:47] <alakhia> i'm trying to setup power management in KDE ... any idea what LAV means?
[03:48] <antrix> hmm... afaik, utf8 is not recommended for windows partitions
[03:48] <antrix> now i don't know if 'nls' option means use utf8 or don't use utf8 :)
[03:48] <N17R0> hmm i found that command in the unofficial ubuntu docs
[03:48] <N17R0> cos it must be mounted as read-only
[03:49] <alakhia> the context is: "Don't act if LAV is 0.1" ...
[03:49] <antrix> n17r0, umask takes care of readonly
[03:49] <N17R0> ah ok
[03:49] <antrix> or stick in an 'ro' option too.. like noauto,user,ro,umask=0222
[03:50] <antrix> alakhia, some Voltage i guess
[03:50] <N17R0> what does "ro" do then ?
[03:50] <alakhia> antrix: that's really cryptic! 
[03:50] <antrix> alakhia, cryptic guess :)
[03:51] <antrix> alakhia, where is this LAV?
[03:51] <alakhia> antrix: settings:/PowerControl/
[03:51] <N17R0> ohh man, but that kwikdisk util needs root user to mount things also, how can i avoid this ?
[03:51] <alakhia> antrix: go to the "Power control" tab
[03:52] <granbar> Which apache2 should I install?
[03:52] <_simon> granbar: sorry was shortly away. yes i had a look at KMix. but didn't findout anything.
[03:52] <antrix> alakhia, i haven't enabled ACPI over there.. so no options for me
[03:53] <antrix> n17r0, don't know abt kwikdisk... try opening a console and typing 'mount /mnt/win_c' as a regular user
[03:53] <alakhia> antrix: yeah, i had to enable acpi also ... go to last tab
[03:54] <N17R0> mount: only root can do that
[03:54] <granbar> _simon: I am currently in a skype conversation on a kubuntu installation I made today. I don't get any feedback from the mic?
[03:54] <antrix> don't want to.. my Fn+F4, Fn+F12 are working perfectly.. don't want to mess up things :(
[03:54] <antrix> n17ro, strange.. u did give a 'user' option right?
[03:55] <alakhia> antrix: all the power control settings seem cryptic and user-unfriendly
[03:55] <N17R0> i did: mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1/ -t ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask=0222
[03:56] <antrix> oh.. u haven't put it in /etc/fstab yet?
[03:56] <N17R0> nope
[03:56] <N17R0> not yet
[03:56] <_simon> granbar: did you try: kmix, switches, mic boost?
[03:56] <granbar> _simon: My mic boost is on
[03:56] <antrix> n17ro, do that.. then it won't/shouldn't ask root permissions
[03:56] <granbar> _simon: Please PM me
[03:56] <N17R0> ok hold on
[03:56] <antrix> alakhia, true :(
[04:07] <N17R0> antrix: it works thanks man :D
[04:08] <antrix> n17r0, with kwikdisk too?
[04:08] <N17R0> and how about unknown file systems? Like my bootit bootmanager partition, and my acronis secure zone, where it stores my images?
[04:08] <N17R0> yep with kwikdisk :P
[04:09] <buz> or qtparted
[04:09] <N17R0> or shall I use the same commands in fstab for those unknown file systems?
[04:10] <antrix> n17r0, don't know.. try sticking partition type auto.. although i doubt it'll work for these more esoteric file systems
[04:11] <antrix> n17ro, generally.. u can try mounting from command line using 'sudo mount ....' then if it works, stick it in fstab with an extra 'user' option
[04:11] <alakhia> antrix: what is kwikdisk?
[04:12] <N17R0> can u give me the commands for in fstab with that "partition typ auot"  ?
[04:12] <antrix> alakhia, utility to quickly mount/unmount partitions 
[04:13] <honza> hy can you help my
[04:13] <antrix> n17ro, try 'man fstab' and 'man mount' all supported options are there
[04:14] <N17R0> ok I know im lasy and ask to much :P
[04:14] <antrix> :p
[04:14] <N17R0> but thanks for the support again
[04:14] <N17R0> xD
[04:14] <honza> i wan install icq client but I dont know haw?
[04:14] <antrix> honza, most probably it's already installed
[04:15] <antrix> honza, run 'kopete' from 'kmenu>Internet'
[04:15] <N17R0> just one more question, is the parameter "nls=utf8" really not needed ?
[04:15] <honza> than you!!
[04:17] <antrix> n17r0, do u have files named in non-english characters (non-ascii) ?
[04:17] <antrix> n17ro, if not doesn't matter. but even if u have it, it's a read-only partition -  doesn't matter anyway
[04:17] <N17R0> uhm im Dutch, and Dutch language don't use weird characters, its the same as English
[04:18] <N17R0> alright i have now this in fstab: /dev/hda1       /mnt/hda1       ntfs    ro,user,noauto,umask=0222  0       0
[04:18] <N17R0> and it works good
[04:19] <N17R0> alright thanks for the help again :D
[04:20] <antrix> n17r0, no probs
[04:28] <honza> hy please where is a update managei in Kubuntu?
[04:29] <sproingie> anyone else still have an arts that won't update?
[04:29] <sproingie> did someone forget to package libartsc0 and/or libarts1 for amd64?
[04:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> honza: kynaptic
[04:31] <sproingie> Kamping_Kaiser: does kynaptic have auto-update?  never looked like it did
[04:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> sproingie: not sure... don't use it
[04:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> i use apt
[04:31] <honza> i wan update program fron internet
[04:31] <sproingie> honza: if you're not looking for automatic installs, i recommend aptitude
[04:35] <sproingie> linuxfree sounds like the name of a bsd convert ;)
[04:36] <hon> have you recently had success compiling baghira cvs?
[04:36] <linuxfree> no
[04:38] <jpatrick> hon: Baghire is in the repos
[04:39] <hon> the cvs one?!
[04:39] <jpatrick> cvs?
[04:39] <hon> I have baghira 0.6e apt-getted
[04:40] <hon> but I need to compile the cvs version
[04:40] <jpatrick> oh
[04:40] <jpatrick> I did: apt-get install kwin-baghira
[04:41] <hon> me too, but I need to look into the developement version ;)
[04:41] <jpatrick> ok
[04:41] <foobrain> Hello
[04:41] <hon> but it fails in the make process
[04:42] <foobrain> How can I use su command in the console?
[04:42] <jpatrick> sudo su
[04:42] <foobrain> ty
[04:42] <jpatrick> you're welcome
[04:42] <jpatrick> :)
[04:44] <foobrain> When I open my Home folder, and I select "Create New>Text File" and name it "bleh" and presses ok, it crashes
[04:44] <foobrain> anyone have the same problem?
[04:45] <sproingie> nope
[04:45] <foobrain> strange
[04:46] <foobrain> konqueror crashes every time I create a new text document
[04:46] <granbar> Does kynaptic configure the new packages I install?
[04:46] <sproingie> foobrain: does it do the same with other docs?
[04:46] <jpatrick> nothing wrong here
[04:46] <jpatrick> granbar: yes
[04:46] <foobrain> let me try
[04:47] <jpatrick> what version of KDE do you have foobrain
[04:47] <jpatrick> ?
[04:47] <foobrain> 3.4?
[04:47] <foobrain> I installed Kubuntu 5.04
[04:47] <jpatrick> http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php
[04:48] <jpatrick> go to the control panel
[04:48] <foobrain> ok
[04:48] <jpatrick> should say KDE        3.4.x
[04:48] <jpatrick> what's your x?
[04:48] <foobrain> 3.4.0
[04:49] <jpatrick> download 3.4.2
[04:49] <foobrain> omw
[04:49] <jpatrick> link above^^
[04:49] <jpatrick> took me 25 minutes to download
[04:50] <jpatrick> it's bug fixes - maybe your problem could of have been fixed - let's say
[04:50] <foobrain> I just type in the console deb .... ?
[04:50] <foobrain> oh silly me
[04:50] <foobrain> I got it
[04:51] <jpatrick> put the url(s) into your sources.list file
[04:51] <jpatrick> then do: apt-get update
[04:52] <foobrain> I'm using Synaptic
[04:52] <jpatrick> I prefer the command line
[04:52] <jpatrick> but have it your way :)
[04:53] <jpatrick> upgrade all
[04:53] <foobrain> I'll use the cli instead
[04:54] <jpatrick> cli....
[04:54] <foobrain> after a apt-get update, then what do I do?
[04:54] <jpatrick> I guess that's the command line
[04:54] <foobrain> command-line-interface
[04:54] <sproingie> foobrain: restart X
[04:54] <foobrain> oh, cool, bbiab
[04:54] <jpatrick> apt-get upgrade OR apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:54] <foobrain> can I run both?
[04:54] <jpatrick> no
[04:54] <foobrain> ok
[04:54] <sproingie> oh yeah, misread update as upgrade
[04:55] <sproingie> dist-upgrade is better
[04:55] <jpatrick> I did apt-get upgrade
[04:55] <jpatrick> dist-upgrade is better tho
[04:55] <sproingie> it chases dependencies better.  upgrade doesn't
[04:55] <sml> can you get rcconf within kubuntu?
[04:55] <foobrain> I just do a "apt-get dist-upgrade"
[04:55] <jpatrick> ype
[04:55] <jpatrick> yep*
[04:55] <sml> i cannot locate rcconf in knaptic :(
[04:56] <foobrain> 187mb
[04:56] <jpatrick> rcconf?
[04:56] <foobrain> should I install the packages without "Verification"? 
[04:56] <jpatrick> never mind
[04:56] <jpatrick> yes
[04:57] <foobrain> great
[04:57] <sml> rcconf is a handy Debian utility for configuring which services get started up at boot-time. It's really a front-end for the update-rc.d command.
[04:57] <jpatrick> do - sudo apt-get install rcconf
[04:58] <jpatrick> it's in universe
[04:58] <sml> ahh ... i need to get into another repository do i? :)
[04:59] <jpatrick> you need to have universe enabled in your sources.list
[04:59] <jpatrick> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[04:59] <Yannick_R> I'm using kmail for the first time, I configured an IMAP account, and the program uses the "local folders" instead of the imap's to put sent mails
[04:59] <apokryphos> !ubuntuguide
[04:59] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[05:00] <jpatrick> apo?
[05:00] <apokryphos> jpatrick: ubu community is generally pretty anti-ubuntuguide ;-)
[05:00] <jpatrick> :p
[05:00] <foobrain> ok, restarting x, bbiab
[05:01] <jpatrick> I hope he finished downloading :-/
[05:01] <apokryphos> Yannick_R: I think the setting for that is in Configure KMail -> Misc -> Groupware
[05:01] <Yannick_R> are you guys using kmail with IMAP ?
[05:01] <Yannick_R> apokryphos: let me check around there
[05:02] <Yannick_R> apokryphos: I didn't think that I could be there, thank you
[05:02] <sml> jpatrick .. i am trying to run a startupscript to run my widescreen resolution on start-up.
[05:03] <sml> do i need rcconf .. or can i manually get around using rcconf?
[05:03] <jpatrick> Enable the extra repos then apt-get update then apt-get install rcconf
[05:03] <apokryphos> sml: to run things on startup you can just put them in ~/.kde/Autostart/
[05:04] <sml> ahhh thanks .. i'll give it a shot :)
[05:18] <foobrain> Hello, again, the new version of kde fixed the crashes
[05:18] <foobrain> now I just have to figure out why the GTK apps running as root still have non-qt look
[05:21] <paines> foobrain, you have to call gtk-theme-switch(2) as root
[05:21] <paines> and choose the specific qt look
[05:23] <foobrain> paines: what cmd is that?
[05:23] <paines> gtk-theme-switch
[05:23] <paines> gtk-theme-switch2
[05:23] <paines> that are both apps
[05:23] <foobrain> so I have to be in some special location for those commands to work?
[05:24] <paines> just call from an console
[05:24] <foobrain> command not found
[05:24] <jpatrick> bash: gtk-theme-switch2: command not found
[05:24] <jeffbrown> I have services (like MySQL) installed but configured to not start automatically.  How can I start/stop services like this from a command line?
[05:24] <jpatrick> bash: gtk-theme-switch: command not found
[05:24] <jpatrick> paines?
[05:24] <paines> apt-get install gtk-theme-switch
[05:24] <jpatrick> right
[05:24] <paines> it isn't installed by default
[05:24] <foobrain> ah, much better
[05:25] <paines> jeffbrown, /etc/init.d/service stop/start
[05:25] <jpatrick> so it will OpenOffice KDE?
[05:25] <paines> jeffbrown, /etc/init.d/mysql start
[05:25] <jeffbrown> oustanding... thanks
[05:25] <foobrain> paines: "cannot open display :0.0" error message
[05:26] <paines> jpatrick, if openoffice uses gtk, than it should look mode kdeish
[05:26] <paines> foobrain, sudo gtk-theme-switch
[05:26] <paines> foobrain, sudo gtk-theme-switch2
[05:26] <jpatrick> :D
[05:26] <foobrain> same error message
[05:26] <paines> jpatrick, mode=more
[05:26] <paines> foobrain, as normal user xhost +
[05:26] <paines> then sudo gtk-theme-switch(2)
[05:27] <foobrain> syntax error near unexpected token (
[05:27] <foobrain> heh... I suck
[05:29] <foobrain> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[05:30] <foobrain> Xlib: no protocol specified
[05:30] <paines> foobrain, isn't there an X server running ?
[05:31] <foobrain> who knows? I'm a linux noob
[05:31] <foobrain> I just installed Kubuntu yesterday
[05:31] <foobrain> I was under the impression it was a good dist to be using if you'r a noob
[05:32] <paines> well that's right, but it's also good for the more experienced user
[05:32] <paines> anyway
[05:32] <paines> are you right now at this kubuntu machine running kubuntu ?
[05:32] <foobrain> yes
[05:32] <paines> and there is an console open
[05:32] <mart> foobrain: have you been using the su command, or just sudo?
[05:32] <foobrain> yes
[05:33] <foobrain> I've done a "sudo su" in the console as well
[05:33] <paines> so, try sudo gtk-theme-switch
[05:33] <paines> and then you are asked for the root passwd
[05:33] <paines> enter it
[05:33] <paines> and an window should appera
[05:33] <jpatrick> I think I'll stick to KOffice
[05:33] <foobrain> I dont get that far
[05:33] <BTJustice> Where does Kmail save my mail at?
[05:33] <BTJustice> By default.
[05:33] <foobrain> paines: I get the Xlib errors
[05:33] <jpatrick> I did
[05:34] <mart> foobrain: try this: open a new console, then try sudo gtk-theme-switch, then *your* password
[05:34] <paines> just enter ->sudo gtk-theme-switcht<- ENTER
[05:34] <paines> -t
[05:34] <foobrain> that worked
[05:34] <foobrain> thanks
[05:35] <paines> :)
[05:35] <foobrain> but it doesn't work if I try to run it from the other console
[05:35] <mart> foobrain: that's because you used sudo su probably
[05:35] <foobrain> mart: ok
[05:36] <BTJustice> By default, where does Kmail save e-mail at?
[05:36] <nikkia> apokryphos: are you around ?
[05:36] <foobrain> Synaptic still looks like crap
[05:36] <apokryphos> nikkia: yup
[05:36] <mart> foobrain: you still have that terminal open, where it didn't work?
[05:36] <foobrain> yes
[05:36] <BTJustice> ?join #ubuntu
[05:37] <nikkia> apokryphos: any idea where the source for run-parts might be - the 'hitchhikers' nature of debian source really annoys me
[05:37] <jpatrick> it's /join
[05:37] <BTJustice> i know, lol
[05:37] <apokryphos> nikkia: hm, nope, sorry.
[05:37] <mart> foobrain: so it doesn't happen again, you might want to do : cd /root ; ln -s /home/foobrain/.Xauthority, where foobrain is your normal user name
[05:37] <nikkia> apokryphos: gah, once more bitten by the hypocrisy of debian :(
[05:38] <apokryphos> nikkia: hypocrisy? Surely they are immune to such a thing!
[05:38] <foobrain> oh, ok
[05:38] <nikkia> apokryphos: no, for all their espousal of the 'software must be free and open source' policy, try finding source code for their own utils
[05:39] <nikkia> apokryphos: its there, its hidden somewhere among 'pool' probably as part of another base package's source, but it sure isn't easy to find
[05:39] <nikkia> apokryphos: red hat do a better job of making their source code easy to find, and thats saying something
[05:40] <foobrain> should I uninstall openoffice 1.1.3 before installing 2.0?
[05:40] <paines> there is OO 2 ?
[05:40] <mart> nikkia: dpkg -S /bin/run-parts, shows it's in debianutils
[05:40] <mart> nikkia: then apt-get source debianutils
[05:41] <foobrain> paines: well, the 2.0 beta... or alpha
[05:41] <nikkia> mart, not so easy on a non-debian system
[05:41] <apokryphos> foobrain: no
[05:41] <foobrain> apokryphos: so I just install the 2.0 over the existing 1.1.3?
[05:41] <nikkia> mart, i'll have to get debianutils' source from pool,i guess, but as i said, this is hypocrissy, IMO
[05:41] <apokryphos> foobrain: they're seperate applications
[05:41] <foobrain> but I dont want both
[05:42] <apokryphos> foobrain: then remove the 1.* one
[05:42] <foobrain> ok, will do, ty
[05:42] <mart> (assuming you have deb-src line in sources.list)
[05:43] <nikkia> mart, again, not on a debian based system
[05:43] <foobrain> is there a website somewhere that list linux device drivers?
[05:43] <mart> nikkia: then you can use the search http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=%2Fbin%2Frun-parts&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386
[05:43] <foobrain> because I have some tv-tuner device I want to see if someone made a driver for it
[05:43] <mart> and use the source link at the bottom of the package page
[05:43] <nikkia> mart, i've already downloaded it, i know my way around pool, however, the point remains, why isn't there a web page for these utils if they (debian) are so vehemantly pro open source ?
[05:45] <mart> there's no requirement that DFSG software have a website
[05:46] <nikkia> mart, and that somehow makes it acceptable that if they claim to be so pro-open source then you have to dig around their ftp ? sorry, i don't buy it, its hypocritical
[05:47] <mart> I'd have thought most people who had heard of run-parts would know where to find it
[05:51] <hinko> hi
[05:53] <foobrain> if I wanted to become a linux developer (develop linux apps) where would be a good place to go? some online references perhaps?
[05:56] <hinko> I think you can go allmost everywhere
[05:56] <hinko> Depends on what you want to do.
[05:56] <foobrain> well, some locations are better than others
[05:57] <foobrain> I need "the basics", libs / compiler environment / compiler and some information on device-driver development
[05:59] <nikkia> www.linux.org would probably be my guess
[05:59] <nikkia> if there's docs on driver development anywhere, it'll be there
[06:03] <foobrain> Ill check it out thx
[06:19] <BTJustice> I use to be able to adjust my clock by right-clicking once on it then left-clicking on Adjust Date & Time.  I entered my password and there I was.  Now, after I enter my password, nothing happens.  The clock never opens.  Why might that be?
[06:21] <granbar> How do I change the login manager to display icons of the users?
[06:21] <apokryphos> granbar: you'll need a different KDM theme
[06:22] <granbar> Is that included out-of-the-box ?
[06:22] <buz> is there a way to do block marking in kate? 
[06:22] <apokryphos> granbar: no. You can get them from http://kde-look.org
[06:22] <granbar> Thanks, apokryphos
[06:24] <apokryphos> instructions for how to install one is also on that site; under the "howto" section
[06:25] <granbar> okay
[06:25] <granbar> apokryphos: But all screenshots are with type-in logins
[06:26] <BTJustice> I use to be able to adjust my clock by right-clicking once on it then left-clicking on Adjust Date & Time.  I entered my root password and there I was.  Now, after I enter my password, nothing happens.  The clock never opens.  Why might that be?
[06:26] <granbar> What's it called when you have picture login, apokryphos?
[06:30] <wellso> hi ppl
[06:30] <apokryphos> granbar: not all of them. One sec, I'll find you one.
[06:33] <granbar> apokryphos: Thanks
[06:33] <apokryphos> granbar: this looks like one, but it's FC :| http://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=12544
[06:34] <granbar> apokryphos: What indicated that it supports picture login?
[06:35] <apokryphos> granbar: the thing on the left. See the space there for users?
[06:35] <granbar> aha :)
[06:35] <apokryphos> Hm, there don't seem to be many at all :|
[06:36] <apokryphos> though some distros have one by default. I'm not sure if it can be done with the Moodin engine
[06:37] <apokryphos> If not, you can always just modify that theme and see how it did the user-login there by looking at the source
[06:41] <granbar> okay. Thanks again, apokryphos
[06:41] <apokryphos> no worries
[06:43] <danne> love linux:D
[06:53] <enver555> hi to all
[06:55] <m0ns00n^main> hello
[07:15] <foobrain> nikkia: elaborate
[07:16] <nikkia> foobrain: about STL? the fact that ios still hasn't been made to work with string properly
[07:16] <nikkia> ie, the lack of a istream::getline(string&)  member
[07:17] <nikkia> (assume std:: namespaces where necessary, i cba to type them :)
[07:18] <zzzzzsolt> greetings
[07:19] <foobrain> ^^
[07:19] <bassman> bonjour
[07:19] <OculusAquilae> hi zzzzzsolt
[07:19] <zzzzzsolt> looks like konversation works afterall :)
[07:19] <OculusAquilae> seems so 
[07:20] <zzzzzsolt> i just installed kubuntu, and so far so good
[07:21] <OculusAquilae> first install?
[07:21] <bassman> je viens d'installe un kubuntu sur ma machine j'avais une mandrake avant dans celle ci il y avait une appli qui configurait le partage de connexion internet et l'attribution d'ip pour les machines distantes en dhcp est ce que ca existe sur la kubuntu  svp ???
[07:21] <zzzzzsolt> not quite
[07:21] <zzzzzsolt> this is my second KUbuntu install
[07:21] <zzzzzsolt> i had debian with gnome before
[07:22] <OculusAquilae> bassman: to much french to understand it, isn't there any french channel?
[07:22] <frank_> bassman: pour de l'aide en francais, essaie #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr
[07:22] <bassman> OculusAquilae: sorry I don't know
[07:23] <bassman> frank_: merci
[07:23] <zzzzzsolt> but kubuntu was waay faster to install. ipw2002 in debian testing was a tricky before, but it gave me no extra work this time
[07:23] <OculusAquilae> zzzzzsolt: yes, kubuntu is very easy to install
[07:24] <zzzzzsolt> i've got a question though, is there a way to get flash working with konqueror?
[07:24] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Yeah, just install it as a mozilla plugin
[07:24] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Then click "Scan for new plugins" in Konqueror
[07:26] <zzzzzsolt> i got that far in konqueror, but the flash installer refused to install
[07:26] <zzzzzsolt> it said the dir was invalid. i created /usr/lib/mozilla for it
[07:26] <zzzzzsolt> where did you put it?
[07:27] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Lemme check
[07:27] <Rogue_Jedi_X> $HOME/.mozilla/plugins
[07:27] <foobrain> when I install an application how would I go about putting it in the k-menu?
[07:27] <zzzzzsolt> thanks Rogue
[07:28] <Rogue_Jedi_X> No prob
[07:28] <paines> foobrain: kappfinder
[07:28] <frank_> foobrain: right click menu, edit menu
[07:28] <Rogue_Jedi_X> foobrain: Right click on the kicker then "Edit menu"
[07:28] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Curse my slow typing :/
[07:29] <paines> hrhr
[07:29] <zzzzzsolt> Rogue do you also have mozilla installed?
[07:29] <foobrain> thanks
[07:29] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Nah, just firefox
[07:30] <zzzzzsolt> oh. but firefox depends on gnome libs doesn't it?
[07:30] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Yeah, I think so. I still prefer it over Konqueror
[07:30] <zzzzzsolt> does it work with kde?
[07:30] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Sure, like a charm
[07:31] <zzzzzsolt> hmm
[07:31] <zzzzzsolt> i was afraid to mess with gnome again, looks like i'll have to try
[07:31] <zzzzzsolt> too bad i need flash
[07:32] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Konqueror is nice enough, but Firefox has the nicer Find function and I can't live without FlashGot+KGet
[07:32] <Rogue_Jedi_X> In my opinion, of course
[07:32] <zzzzzsolt> i know, i like firefox
[07:33] <zzzzzsolt> and the extensions are great
[07:33] <zzzzzsolt> there is a kde firefox project though
[07:33] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Really?
[07:33] <zzzzzsolt> they're trying to bring gecko into kde
[07:33] <Rogue_Jedi_X> So there is a god
[07:33] <zzzzzsolt> seems so
[07:34] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Any links?
[07:34] <zzzzzsolt> gimme a sec
[07:34] <zzzzzsolt> http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=5263
[07:35] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Thanks
[07:37] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Wonder what it will be called. FirefoKs?
[07:37] <zzzzzsolt> hehe
[07:37] <zzzzzsolt> that sounds good
[07:38] <zzzzzsolt> are you developing software on ubuntu?
[07:38] <zzzzzsolt> i want to move to KDevelop but i'm a noob to that
[07:38] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Nah, I'm just a regular slightly less than clueless Linux user
[07:40] <zzzzzsolt> i'm a pretty clueless linux user :)
[07:40] <zzzzzsolt> yet
[07:40] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hehe, same here probably. I've only been using it for six months now
[07:40] <zzzzzsolt> i can't even compile kdevelop
[07:40] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Just switched over from Mandrake
[07:40] <zzzzzsolt> i've been using it sporadically
[07:40] <Wizzard> hi ppl, how can I set the fglrx driver in xorg.conf?
[07:41] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Ouch, an ATI problem
[07:41] <Wizzard> yop
[07:41] <zzzzzsolt> fglrxconfig
[07:42] <zzzzzsolt> provided you've already installed it
[07:42] <zzzzzsolt> i just did it today
[07:42] <zzzzzsolt> works like a charm
[07:42] <Wizzard> I did it
[07:42] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I have an nVidia so I'm in the dark, sorry
[07:42] <Rogue_Jedi_X> *an nVidia card
[07:43] <zzzzzsolt> i'll have an nVidia in an other machine, so i'll be looking into that soon :)
[07:43] <zzzzzsolt> but this ati install was surprisingly easy after the 3rd time
[07:43] <Rogue_Jedi_X> No problem there. Just install the driver with kynaptic/synaptic and write something in Konsole
[07:45] <zzzzzsolt> the 5700 i got for 50 bucks? :)
[07:45] <nikkia> seems everyone that tackles the ATI drivers always ends up saying 'it was really easy, and glxgears reports <insert some value under 1000fps>'
[07:45] <zzzzzsolt> see i don't even know what glxgears is
[07:45] <nikkia> zzzzzsolt: an OpenGL test program
[07:45] <nikkia> and if you don't need OpenGL, why bother with the proprietary ATI drivers :)
[07:45] <JakubS_> Rogue_Jedi_X: even geforce2mx gives something like 1400fps afair
[07:46] <zzzzzsolt> i do need opengl, i want to look into programming it
[07:46] <nikkia> JakubS_: exactly, < 1000fps from glxgears is a sign software GL is at home :)
[07:46] <JakubS_> or that you have sis embedded card :-)
[07:46] <nikkia> that's practically the same thing :P
[07:46] <zzzzzsolt> hmm maybe i should check it out then, see if it works
[07:47] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Got to dash. See you folks later
[07:47] <JakubS_> well, sis supports dri, hardware opengl and all that stuff
[07:47] <JakubS_> and even gives 120fps instead of 60 :-)
[07:47] <nikkia> zzzzzsolt: just run 'glxgears' let it run for at least 5 seconds, and it'll print the fps count on the console you start it from
[07:47] <zzzzzsolt> see ya rogue
[07:47] <zzzzzsolt> nikkia, does it come with the ati package?
[07:47] <nikkia> (by the use of 'console' in there, i just want to make it clear, you must run it from konsole/xterm/whatever, don't run it from the GUI)
[07:48] <nikkia> zzzzzsolt: it comes with X, iirc
[07:48] <JakubS_> zzzzzsolt: it comes with xorg
[07:48] <zzzzzsolt> ok, i should have it then
[07:48] <zzzzzsolt> let me look
[07:49] <JakubS_> hell yeah, 30fps!
[07:49] <nikkia> JakubS_: i won't bother on my S3 laptop :P
[07:50] <nikkia> the key there is, the S3 driver doesn't work, so its using the svga driver, i don't even want to think how low the fps will be :)
[07:50] <zzzzzsolt> hmm
[07:50] <zzzzzsolt> looks like it's software
[07:51] <zzzzzsolt> 90 fps
[07:51] <nikkia> zzzzzsolt: around 700fps ?
[07:51] <nikkia> oh dear god :P
[07:51] <zzzzzsolt> something's not right is it
[07:51] <nikkia> zzzzzsolt: for reference, my GF6600 gives 4000-5000 fps
[07:51] <zzzzzsolt> it seems like it's running in software mode
[07:52] <nikkia> probably, what's the first line output by glxinfo ?
[07:52] <nikkia> erm, sorry, 3rd line
[07:52] <nikkia> the 'direct rendering' line :)
[07:52] <zzzzzsolt> No :)
[07:52] <zzzzzsolt> is that.... good? :)
[07:52] <nikkia> not really, no
[07:52] <zzzzzsolt> ok how do i fix this
[07:53] <zzzzzsolt> cos it's obviously in soft mode
[07:53] <nikkia> no idea, ATI drivers are terrible to get working right :/
[07:53] <zzzzzsolt> thing is X works visibly faster
[07:53] <zzzzzsolt> plus i answered to give opengl to everyone when i configured it
[07:54] <nikkia> its probably going to be something like DRI not getting loaded, or GLX getting loaded
[07:55] <nikkia> or perhaps the DRI kernel module isn't working *shrug*
[07:56] <zzzzzsolt> yea i'm googling a solution now
[07:56] <zzzzzsolt> i noticed i'm also missing agp support, it's running in pci mode
[07:58] <zzzzzsolt> modprobe agpgart returns nothing
[08:00] <nikkia> hmmm, i don't know about ATI, but with nvidia, its a bad idea from my experience to use the linux agp modules, better to use nvidia's built in support
[08:00] <nikkia> with the linux modules, it tends to a) slow down terribly  b) start leaking memory in X, after about 1-2 days uptime
[08:00] <zzzzzsolt> i'm using ati's agp stuff. at least that's what i told it when i configged it
[08:01] <Wizzard> interesting, i have loaded fglrx module, and Tux Racer is still slow like before
[08:01] <Wizzard> and I cannot change the resolution
[08:02] <zzzzzsolt> same problem here wizzard
[08:02] <zzzzzsolt> we're trying to find a solution, hardware accel is disabled after install
[08:03] <Wizzard> it must be because the Mesa GLX is used as the OpenGL driver
[08:03] <zzzzzsolt> nikkia, i looked into xconf, and it loads both glx and dri
[08:03] <zzzzzsolt> at least it should
[08:05] <nikkia> zzzzzsolt: hmmm, i thought ati's driver didn't like glx being loaded
[08:05] <zzzzzsolt> is this glx module the mesa glx module?
[08:06] <zzzzzsolt> ati reports opengl vendor string: Mesa project ... 
[08:06] <zzzzzsolt> rendere Mesa GLX indirect
[08:06] <zzzzzsolt> so that's a problem then
[08:07] <Wizzard> I added Load "fglrx" into Module section and now there is Ati driver
[08:08] <zzzzzsolt> try glxgears
[08:08] <zzzzzsolt> tell me the fps
[08:09] <zzzzzsolt> i got around 90 with soft rendering
[08:09] <Wizzard> now it works, but the sprites are broken in TuxRacer
[08:09] <zzzzzsolt> try glxgears first
[08:10] <zzzzzsolt> just to see if it really works
[08:10] <Wizzard> I do not see the fps, but the screen has a lot of artifacts when running that test
[08:10] <Wizzard> about 1242 fps
[08:10] <zzzzzsolt> ok, what kind of card is that?
[08:10] <Wizzard> Radeon 9200
[08:11] <zzzzzsolt> ok
[08:11] <zzzzzsolt> so you just added load fglrx to the module section in xorg.conf?
[08:11] <Wizzard> yep, as the first module
[08:12] <buz> is there a passively cooled dual dvi nvidia card
[08:12] <zzzzzsolt> i'll try removing glx too
[08:12] <Wizzard> but I have installed the official ATI driver from their website a couple of weeks ago
[08:12] <zzzzzsolt> i installed it today
[08:12] <zzzzzsolt> same problems
[08:12] <Wizzard> what is glx and dvi?
[08:13] <zzzzzsolt> glx seems to be the mesa glx module
[08:13] <nikkia> buz, afaik, yes, but not in the west
[08:13] <zzzzzsolt> but i'm a noob :)
[08:13] <buz> crap
[08:13] <nikkia> buz, nvidia seem to sell more '2*dvi only' cards in japan, for some reason
[08:13] <nikkia> well, there's no real mystery about it...
[08:13] <buz> japanese probably like dvi
[08:13] <buz> europeans seems to give jack shit about dvi
[08:13] <JakubS_> zzzzzsolt: see /var/log/Xorg.0.log - there may be some clue about what went wrong
[08:14] <nikkia> its because HDTV is popular over there, they can put on 2 DVI sockets, or DVI+HDMI and avoid the need for video out, just let the HDTV users use DVI/HDMI
[08:14] <zzzzzsolt> k i'll check it out
[08:14] <buz> mhh makes sense 
[08:14] <buz> they should sell me one
[08:14] <buz> i'll hook up dvi screens, too
[08:14] <buz> gf5200 would do
[08:14] <nikkia> buz, i looked for such a card a while back, was looking for a dual DVI FX5200, and japanese sites was where i ended up :/
[08:14] <buz> iirc, siemens got one
[08:15] <buz> but i'm not sure if they sell it or if its just for integration into their pcs
[08:15] <nikkia> buz, i have a dual DVI FX5200 at work
[08:15] <nikkia> buz, sort of, anyway
[08:15] <buz> who made it
[08:15] <zzzzzsolt> oops
[08:15] <nikkia> its a Dell branded 5200, with a big connector and 2 cables, one splits ->2VGA, the other 2DVI
[08:15] <buz> there a few R300 dual dvi but i dont want ati anymore
[08:15] <buz> mhh
[08:15] <zzzzzsolt> (WW) fglrx(0): Kernel Module version does *not* match driver.
[08:15] <buz> possibly the same
[08:16] <zzzzzsolt> (EE) fglrx(0): incompatible kernel module detected - HW accelerated OpenGL will not work
[08:16] <nikkia> zzzzzsolt: welcome to ATI-hell
[08:16] <nikkia> zzzzzsolt: may i recommend ordering a nvidia card :P
[08:16] <zzzzzsolt> damnit. it was their installer!
[08:17] <zzzzzsolt> right, i'll rip the mobility 9700 from my lappy right away
[08:17] <zzzzzsolt> or the passive cooled 9700 prom from this machine
[08:17] <zzzzzsolt> i gotta get this fixed...
[08:17] <buz> there are passively cooled gf6600
[08:18] <zzzzzsolt> i could just move tha passive cooler to any card though, that's not the point
[08:18] <zzzzzsolt> hmm a 6600 would be nice...
[08:18] <zzzzzsolt> but you know what? it costs a lot more than fixing this driver :)
[08:19] <buz> no you cant just move coolers in general
[08:19] <buz> they usually fit for a few select cards
[08:19] <zzzzzsolt> mine does
[08:19] <zzzzzsolt> i recommend it too
[08:20] <zzzzzsolt> aerocool vm-101
[08:20] <wellso> i would like a 6600
[08:20] <wellso> ideal price/performance ratio for my wallet
[08:21] <buz> vm is pretty flexible yes
[08:21] <buz> not sure if its up to a 6600 though
[08:21] <buz> i dont care
[08:21] <zzzzzsolt> it can dissipate 70 watts
[08:21] <buz> for me, a 5200 would be plenty
[08:21] <zzzzzsolt> without a fan...
[08:21] <zzzzzsolt> well, with a slow fan it sure can
[08:22] <zzzzzsolt> my 9700 pro makes 55 watts of heat
[08:22] <Wizzard> hey, what about that Firefox for KDE? does anybody knows about it?
[08:22] <zzzzzsolt> yea
[08:22] <Wizzard> I checked that website
[08:22] <aseigo> Wizzard: announcements upcoming at aKademy
[08:22] <zzzzzsolt> it's more like a gecko for kde
[08:22] <zzzzzsolt> but it's not ready anyway
[08:23] <zzzzzsolt> hey wizzard, look into the xorg log
[08:23] <Wizzard> it could be fine to have Gecko engine in Konqueror
[08:23] <zzzzzsolt> mine says kernel module version does not match driver
[08:24] <zzzzzsolt> so no hardware accel
[08:24] <Wizzard> where is that log?
[08:24] <Wizzard> sorry
[08:24] <zzzzzsolt>  var/log/xorg.0.log
[08:25] <Wizzard> there is nothing special in that log
[08:25] <zzzzzsolt> look for (EE)
[08:25] <zzzzzsolt> or (WW)
[08:25] <Wizzard> yep
[08:25] <zzzzzsolt> hmm that sounds good
[08:26] <zzzzzsolt> ok stupid question
[08:26] <zzzzzsolt> how do i save xorg.conf in kate?
[08:26] <apokryphos> zzzzzsolt: you have to run it as root. alt+f2 -> kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:26] <oSx> hey i just changed from gentoo to kubuntu and everything works like a charm, but when i connect to my server via ssh scands dont seem to work ()?
[08:27] <zzzzzsolt> thanks :)
[08:30] <buz> http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20050803215728.html i wonder if i could use the 125$ one on my standard 939 board
[08:30] <buz> that would rock
[08:30] <buz> and even be cheaper than the corresponding athlon64 ;)
[08:46] <oSx> anyone know how to fix keyboard layout so it shows  and  and ?
[08:46] <oSx> and also alt+1 etc
[08:47] <equex> oSx: 
[08:47] <oSx> yea?
[08:47] <equex> i have the exact same problem
[08:47] <oSx> heh
[08:48] <equex> hehe :) only .no chars
[08:48] <equex> havent been able to get it fixed, been bothering this chanell a lot
[08:48] <oSx> when im on my own computer i can see the    but when i ssh to my server and use irssi i get ascii instead of   
[08:48] <equex> oh youre lucky then
[08:48] <oSx> well... i use only my server to chat
[08:49] <oSx> so it doesnt help if i see the chars on my own pc :P
[08:49] <equex> i lost the entire keyboard layout control
[08:49] <oSx> heh
[08:49] <equex> it just stopped working, cant be operated from kcontrol
[08:49] <oSx> :\
[08:50] <equex> tried reinstalling X, upgrade kde, mess around
[08:50] <oSx> :\
[08:51] <equex> and im not sure if its a kde issue or an x issue
[08:51] <oSx> gentoo has been only distro which had the scands working automatically :)
[08:51] <oSx> i guess its kde
[08:51] <equex> i had it working easily when i installed kubuntu
[08:51] <oSx> cos i have had this same issue with every distro+kde
[08:51] <oSx> except gentoo
[08:51] <equex> haha
[08:51] <equex> ok ill mess more with it
[08:51] <oSx> tell me if you fix it 
[08:51] <oSx> :)
[08:52] <equex> will do
[08:57] <insanekane> hi apokryphos, nikkia
[08:57] <apokryphos> he
[08:57] <apokryphos> s/he/hey
[08:57] <insanekane> hi
[08:58] <insanekane> looks like 2 districts in my state will be underwater, if the dam breaks ie
[09:06] <gus> hi ---   what is the best way to get firefox installed into Kubuntu?
[09:07] <gus> I have a permission problem in executing firefox -- works as root -- not as default user
[09:07] <apokryphos> gus: sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[09:07] <gus> yes.. then after smooth install   i $ firefox  and it returns to the next line.
[09:08] <gus> no firefox
[09:08] <gus> as root    #firefox.. it opens
[09:08] <apokryphos> Something's going wrong, clearly. Gotta go now for dinner; bbl.
[09:08] <gus> running strace firefox gives ALOT of output, so I am being lazy by asking in the channel :)     sorry
[09:09] <gus> apokryphos: cheers :)
[09:22] <_alexis> hi
[09:23] <OculusAquilae> hi _alexis
[09:23] <_alexis> I've got problem with Kopete, i can't connect to my MSN account
[09:24] <_alexis> it said wrong password everytime
[09:24] <_alexis> (sorry for my english...)
[09:25] <malte> i had that problem too, before i upgraded to 3.4.2
[09:26] <_alexis> ok thx
[09:26] <mart> msn like to change their protocols every so often.. :(
[09:26] <_alexis> but how du you upgrad to 3.4.2 ?
[09:27] <apokryphos> mart: I think the change was on Kopete's side
[09:27] <apokryphos> the place where it grabbed passwords from was changed
[09:27] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell _alexis about kde342
[09:28] <_guillaume> hi
[09:28] <_alexis> hi
[09:28] <mart> apokryphos: yes, that's what I mean, msn change their setup, and all the IM clients have to keep up
[09:29] <mart> apokryphos: oh,
[09:29] <apokryphos> Yah, it was on Kopete's side since, as I recall, gaim/amsn et al. worked fine over the transition period
[09:29] <mart> apokryphos: I thought that one was an msn bug, because even when I put the correct password in it didn't work
[09:30] <mart> but ok, maybe msn didn't change it (this time) 
[09:30] <mart> s/maybe/then/
[09:31] <mart> anyone remember what the directory under .kde I can put startup scripts in?
[09:31] <apokryphos> mart: Autostart/ :)
[09:31] <mart> apokryphos: really? I thought that was for .desktop files?
[09:32] <thoreauputic> mart: I use it to start xscreensaver :)
[09:32] <apokryphos> mart: nope
[09:33] <mart> oh, is it possible to set environment variables in .kde?
[09:34] <mart> ah, scripts and .desktop files work...
[09:34] <aseigo> mart: sure. but if you want them to be session-wide you need to set them before login
[09:39] <mart> aseigo: assuming kdm, can I do this using a file in the home dir?
[09:43] <davy> hello ppl 
[09:48] <davy> does anyone know how to install another language for kde?
[09:51] <insanekane> davy: "sudo apt-cache search kde-i18n" ... then look for your appropriate language, ... suppose it is is Malayalam, then you need to install kde-i18n-ml ... in which case you do "sudo apt-get install kde-i18n-ml"
[09:52] <davy> thanks mate :), i`ll try that immediaty :D
[09:52] <insanekane> k
[09:52] <mikko> I installed ubuntu today and then installed kde. I did what is needed to play mp3, but I can't hear any sound. not even wav
[09:53] <insanekane> mikko: tried increasing volume ?
[09:53] <mikko> yes
[09:53] <insanekane> mikko: did alsamixer work ?
[09:53] <mikko> no. I've tried alsa and sis
[09:53] <mikko> I mean oss
[09:53] <insanekane> okie
[09:54] <insanekane> maybe the correct module was not loaded ?
[09:54] <mikko> hmm. I'm not a beginner in linux but not a pro either...
[09:55] <insanekane> mikko: try lspci .. locate your sound card ... then do lsmod, and look for entries starting with snd_ ... see if any module corresponds to your card
[09:55] <insanekane> mikko: whats your sound card ?
[09:56] <mikko> it's a chip on my motherboard which is asrock k7s8x
[09:56] <davy> cool :D, thanks insanekane, i have installed dutch now
[09:56] <insanekane> davy: enjoy :)
[09:56] <davy> i reckon i need to log out and choose dutch :D brb
[09:57] <insanekane> mikko: it uses ac97 codec
[09:57] <mikko> yes
[09:57] <insanekane> mikko: look for snd_ac97_codec in the lsmod
[09:57] <insanekane> in the output of lsmod
[09:58] <mikko> I found it
[09:58] <mikko> snd_ac97_codec         64608  1 snd_intel8x0
[10:00] <mikko> insanekane: a dumb question, does it matter that it says intel over there? my processor is amd
[10:02] <insanekane> mikko: hmm, i am checking
[10:03] <insanekane> mikko: some non-ubuntu links -> http://www.linuxcompatible.org/Asrock_k7s8x-_Rh9-no_sound_t575.html
[10:03] <insanekane> mikko: http://www.linuxcompatible.org/ASROCK_Mandrake_10.1_v_installation_problem_t30802.html
[10:06] <insanekane> milksteak: if you know german (or whatever it is) -> http://www.ubuntu-forum.de/thread.php?threadid=630
[10:06] <insanekane> err
[10:06] <insanekane> mikko: check this out ... seems someone has solved it -> http://www.ubuntu-forum.de/thread.php?threadid=996
[10:07] <_michal> hello?
[10:07] <_michal> any body hear me??
[10:07] <manuel_> Hi Guys, I hace troubles mounting a win 2k3 share on my kubuntu, I'm using smb4k right now, I installed smnmnt and smbumount with suid. The share mounts ok, it doesn't give errors, but when i tri to do an "ls" on that folder I get a "Permision denied"
[10:07] <_michal> ok
[10:07] <milksteak> yeah
[10:07] <buz> insanekane:  LOL, it wouldnt work because he didnt activate all channels in kmixer
[10:07] <insanekane> haha ok :)
[10:08] <manuel_> even mounting it manually as root gives me a "Permision denied"
[10:08] <insanekane> buz: perhaps you need to tell *mikko* that instead of me ?
[10:09] <mikko> my german is not very good
[10:09] <Fraeon> Mein is.
[10:09] <Fraeon> Mine is. :<
[10:10] <Fraeon> I can say "WUNDERBAR!" while holding two miniguns
[10:10] <insanekane> mikko: well, why don't you try buz's suggestioin first ? enable all channels in the kmixer ?
[10:10] <mikko> I've tried
[10:11] <buz> well i was assuming that you cant be that stupid, really ;9
[10:11] <insanekane> mikko: ok, in that case .. try this ... modprobe snd-cmipci
[10:11] <insanekane> mikko: sudo modprobe snd-cmipci
[10:12] <mikko> I still can't hear anything?
[10:13] <insanekane> hrmm
[10:13] <insanekane> mikko: lspci | grep -i audio
[10:13] <mikko> Now I heard something
[10:13] <mikko> wait
[10:13] <insanekane> eh ?
[10:15] <mikko> I pressed enter in terminal and heard something.... it could be just a noice that crappy heaphones connector takes
[10:15] <insanekane> bah!
[10:15] <salil> can anyone tell me.. how do i convert movie files to mobile movie files.. ??? is there any software for that in linux..??
[10:16] <insanekane> mobile movie files ?
[10:16] <salil> yes
[10:16] <buz> mhh
[10:16] <buz> what format do you need
[10:16] <salil> any format.. i wanna watch movies on my mobile.. 
[10:16] <buz> well obviously your mobile will only support certain format
[10:17] <salil> 3gp or avi or anyother.. which is a good format.. with good quality
[10:17] <insanekane> mikko: lspci | grep -i audio
[10:17] <insanekane> avi isn't even a format afaik
[10:17] <salil> do you know pvplayer.. ..?? it will support 3gp as well as avi.. which is encoded to run in a mobile.. 
[10:17] <buz> avi is just a rather lousy container
[10:17] <buz> 3gp isn't a format either
[10:17] <insanekane> hehe
[10:17] <buz> i was thinking something along the lines of mpeg4
[10:17] <buz> (which i think is supported by my p900 somehow
[10:18] <buz> not that i ever cared
[10:18] <salil> i have Nokia N-Gage
[10:18] <buz> i think i remember that one supporting mpeg4 with aac sound
[10:18] <buz> not entirely sure though
[10:18] <insanekane> ok im off
[10:18] <salil> really..
[10:18] <salil> can you tell me which one that is.. 
[10:19] <mikko> ikko@:~$ lspci | grep -i audio
[10:19] <mikko> 0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  Sound Controller (rev a0)
[10:19] <insanekane> mikko: cat /proc/asound/cards
[10:19] <mikko> mikko@:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards
[10:19] <mikko> 0 [SI7012         ] : ICH - SiS SI7012
[10:19] <mikko>                      SiS SI7012 with CMI9761 at 0xdc00, irq 18
[10:20] <insanekane> mikko: sudo modprobe snd-cmipci
[10:20] <buz> mikko: what chipset have you got?
[10:21] <insanekane> buz: the damn spec is all wrong :/
[10:21] <nikkia> salil: mplayer will support .3gp just fine, if you add one line to the codecs config
[10:21] <nikkia> i imagine that change should affect all mplayer derived players too
[10:21] <salil> nikkia: i want to convert files from my computer so that they can run on my mobile..
[10:21] <buz> chances are mplayer can do that somehiw
[10:21] <buz> somehow
[10:21] <nikkia> salil: ummm, should be possible
[10:22] <nikkia> .3gp files are just mpeg4 with a different fourcc iirc
[10:22] <insanekane> mikko: are you going to do this today ?
[10:22] <salil> nikkia: yes..
[10:22] <mikko> I did it
[10:22] <salil> nikkia:  what is all that..?
[10:22] <insanekane> mikko: ok ... in that case
[10:22] <mikko> but nothing happens except i hear shhh from the headphones plug
[10:22] <mikko> when I play a sound
[10:22] <buz> and when you dont play?
[10:22] <salil> nikkia:  i'm just a newbie... used windows all my life.. i'm converting to linux now.
[10:22] <mikko> shhh but constant
[10:22] <buz> mhh static noise then
[10:23] <insanekane> mikko: edit /etc/modules .. and add snd-cmipci at the end of the file, save and exit. then restart
[10:23] <nikkia> ffmpeg has *limited* H263 encoding, and i can't make sense of its H264 support :P
[10:23] <buz> i tried a commercial H264 once
[10:23] <buz> dunno what sort of hardware you need for that
[10:23] <nikkia> i think the ngage's .3gp are h263...
[10:23] <buz> a amd643000+ wasnt enough anyway
[10:24] <insanekane> buz: this webpage describes mikko's problem exactly (afaict) ... http://www.ubuntu-forum.de/thread.php?threadid=996
[10:24] <insanekane> mikko: im off
[10:24] <salil> nikkia: what is h236..??
[10:24] <buz> insanekane: i looked at it before
[10:24] <nikkia> salil: h263 and h264 are sub-standards of the MPEG4 video standard
[10:24] <buz> i'm too lazy to translate it all. will skim and post stuff i deem important
[10:25] <salil> nikkia: ooh.. .. i have no idea about all those things.. 
[10:25] <buz> i think h263 covers more than that, isn't it essentially a video conference spec
[10:25] <buz> which just happens to use mpeg4 simple profile as codec
[10:25] <nikkia> salil: h263 is commonly used for mobile phones, h264 is the video encoding to be used for HDTV (iirc), but i've seen some mobiles do h264 too  (its general purpose, doesn't have to be hi-def)
[10:25] <mikko> mikko@:~$ sudo edit /etc/modules
[10:25] <mikko> sudo: unable to lookup  via gethostbyname()
[10:25] <mikko> Warning: unknown mime-type for "/etc/modules" -- using "application/*"
[10:25] <mikko> Error: no "edit" mailcap rules found for type "application/*"
[10:25] <buz> at the moment, most hdtv is still mpeg2
[10:25] <salil> nikkia:  okay.. so what do i do now.. 
[10:26] <salil> nikkia:  how do i start my work..?
[10:26] <buz> insanekane: that german post seems to be using gnome
[10:26] <buz> mapping gnome menu entries to kde is too hard
[10:26] <nikkia> salil: first of all, install ffmpeg from somewhere (its not in the common repositories in a form you want, since h263 is most definitely a restricted format)
[10:27] <buz> mikko: try installing "libesd-alsa0" if you havent already
[10:27] <salil> nikkia: okay.. letme search for it.. 
[10:27] <nikkia> salil: after you've done that, its as simple as 'ffmpeg -i input.avi  output.3gp'
[10:27] <nikkia> altho if the format isn't right for .3gp, you'll want to resize it
[10:28] <salil> nikkia: ooh.. and.. is there anyother format.. that you can convert to..?
[10:28] <buz> (then again i have a beamer in my living room ;)
[10:28] <nikkia> salil: ffmpeg converts to/from just about all formats known to man :P
[10:28] <nikkia> salil: although there are a few it can't write, only read
[10:28] <salil> that's great
[10:29] <buz> how about mencoder
[10:29] <buz> does that act as frontend to ffmpeg
[10:29] <nikkia> buz, it can, but whats the point?
[10:29] <buz> dunno, havent followed the development
[10:29] <buz> i dont care much for xvid anymore
[10:29] <nikkia> buz, passing ffmpeg command lines to mencoder via its ugly command line isn't much fun
[10:29] <salil> nikkia:  there's a CVS.. so.. i just d'load the CVS and install .. is that it..?
[10:30] <buz> i only more care for dvd
[10:30] <buz> (or 720p divx ;)
[10:30] <nikkia> salil: possibly, that sounds an awful lot like marrilat's repository, and it may or may not work :P
[10:30] <bobbyd> I have some very strange behaviour from knetload, it doesn't display a continuous load, only regular 'spikes', has anyone seen this?
[10:30] <salil> nikkia: http://ffmpeg.sourceforge.net/download.php........ this is it..
[10:31] <nikkia> oh, i see, you're downloading source, good luck
[10:31] <salil> nikkia:  i'll need that..
[10:32] <salil> nikkia: i'm using gnome as well as kde... can you tell me how to change the folder's icons in gnome..?
[10:33] <buz> bobbyd: did you try a steady download of a biiiig package?
[10:33] <buz> say like some iso ?
[10:33] <buz> it seems to work quite well for me
[10:34] <bobbyd> buz, yes, I have it working fine on my other pc, this is definitly weird behaviour
[10:34] <buz> mhh it seems quite accurate on my box
[10:34] <bobbyd> buz, the weird thing is that they both run kubuntu :)
[10:34] <bobbyd> I'll reinstall it
[10:34] <buz> different hardware maybe
[10:34] <nikkia> gah!!!
[10:34] <nikkia> i forgot that unix file timestamps suck!
[10:35] <Jeezis> hmm
[10:35] <buz> i rather like the concept of timestamps
[10:35] <nikkia> buz, if they work, yes
[10:35] <buz> muuuch better than standard times ;)
[10:35] <Jeezis> is there anywhere i can download the qt-devel package for kubuntu?
[10:35] <nikkia> buz, however, i challenge you to find the creation time of /var/log/messages
[10:36] <nikkia> buz, the problem is, you can't, at all
[10:36] <nikkia> the 3 timestamps available are all updated each time its written to
[10:36] <buz> i think you can
[10:36] <nikkia> buz, no, you can't :/
[10:36] <buz> at least on freebsd, there is a ctime in the struct ;)
[10:36] <nikkia> buz, ctime isn't creation time
[10:36] <nikkia> buz, ctime is 'control time'
[10:37] <nikkia> buz, its the time the inode was last changed
[10:37] <buz> that is weird
[10:37] <nikkia> buz, try ls -l --time=atime /var/log/messages   (last accessed time)
[10:37] <buz> because on bsd box, it would show quite sensible stuff
[10:37] <nikkia> then try ls -l --time=ctime /var/log/messages
[10:37] <nikkia> they'll be identical (last time a message was written to the file)
[10:38] <buz> actually not
[10:38] <buz> atime is last READ from it ;)
[10:38] <nikkia> buz, yes, but it gets updated when the file is written, too
[10:38] <nikkia> buz, as i said, unix...file timestamps... suck :)
[10:38] <buz> no it does not
[10:39] <nikkia> accessed and modified are ok, but you *need* a created time too
[10:39] <buz> before i run tail messages
[10:39] <buz> it atime was 5 days old ;)
[10:40] <nikkia> buz, actually, i dunno why, but that particular file is odd on mine, others show atime's older than ctime's
[10:40] <nikkia> but either way, ctime still doesn't show created time :(
[10:41] <nikkia> iirc, there *IS* a way to get it from the filesystem
[10:41] <nikkia> but it only works on ext2/3 filesystems, and is non-portable
[10:44] <Jeezis> gah, how can ubuntu have all the qt3 packages and not have the qt-devel package?
[10:44] <nikkia> Jeezis: because its not called qt-devel
[10:44] <Jeezis> nikkia: ..oh :-p what is it called?
[10:44] <buz> nikkia: maybe you have something watching it?
[10:45] <bobbyd> Jeezis, most people dont need the devel packages
[10:45] <nikkia> libqt3-mt-dev
[10:45] <Jeezis> bobbyd: i need them to install qtella
[10:45] <Jeezis> thanks
[10:45] <Jeezis> nope, no qt3-dev
[10:46] <Jeezis> i need the qt headers
[10:46] <nikkia> buz, regardless of whether its being watched or not, it helps me not with determining age of file :P
[10:46] <buz> of course, apt-get build-dep is my friend ;)
[10:46] <nikkia> buz, its going to involve tracking by hand with a berkley db keyed with filename, i can tell
[10:46] <buz> nikkia: actually, it would be the same age as the last mtime of messages.0 hehe
[10:46] <nikkia> buz, erm, no, it wouldn't
[10:47] <buz> why not
[10:47] <nikkia> buz, i have no log rotation here, that's what i'm writing right now :P
[10:47] <buz> you still on your LFS trip
[10:47] <nikkia> buz, even if i wasn't, the standard rotatelogs are too limited
[10:48] <buz> good enough for me
[10:57] <foobrain> is there a subversion shell ingegration app in Linux? like tortoise svn for win32?
[10:57] <foobrain> integration*
[11:01] <bobbyd> foobrain, search freshmeat
[11:03] <foobrain> bobbyd: ok, I'll do that
[11:03] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Can anyone reccomend a good frontend for mplayer? With selectable video and subtitle streams for .ogm and .mkv files etc.?
[11:04] <foobrain> I could Ksvn, currently in beta, I'll give that a try, thanks
[11:04] <foobrain> could <- found
[11:04] <foobrain> donno what I was thinking when I wrote that sentance
[11:14] <foobrain> what irc client software is the best?
[11:15] <jpatrick> Konversation
[11:15] <foobrain> what about xchat?
[11:15] <jpatrick> no idea
[11:15] <foobrain> ok
[11:15] <jpatrick> I just stick to Konversation
[11:16] <foobrain> ok, I
[11:16] <foobrain> 'm running X-Chat now, but it doesn't ... feel right
[11:16] <apokryphos> Konversation, Ksirc and Kvirc are all good kde alternatives
[11:17] <foobrain> apokryphos: what about X-Chat?
[11:17] <apokryphos> foobrain: that's GTK
[11:17] <apokryphos> though despite that, I tend to not like it as much. Konversation integrates well; has a few cool features. KVirc has scripting, which is great if you want to highly customize your client
[11:18] <apokryphos> bbiaf
[11:33] <pax> whoa! root has landed
[11:33] <Jeezis> what would i use to install an rpm in kubuntu?
[11:34] <pax> use alien
[11:34] <Jeezis> alien?
[11:34] <pax> !akien
[11:34] <ubotu> pax: I don't know, could you explain it?
[11:34] <pax> !alien
[11:34] <ubotu> somebody said alien was a program to convert RPMs to DEBs. Can give problems. Website: http://www.kitenet.net/programs/alien/
[11:35] <Jeezis> hmm, well, thats as good a lead as i've found yet :-p
[11:35] <_douglas> how do I make konqueror always allow java applets by default, because right now I have to load the site, click use java, and then reload the site to get them to work?
[11:37] <pax>  settings:/Network/WebBrowsing/ > Java > enable java globaly
[11:38] <pax> stype that in konqueror _douglas 
[11:39] <_douglas> that didn't work, it said error while loading settings
[11:40] <_douglas> unknown settings folder
[11:40] <pax> _douglas: in konqueror type this ----> settings:/Network/WebBrowsing/
[11:40] <pax> _douglas: then click Java
[11:40] <_douglas> ok
[11:40] <pax> _douglas: then enable java globally
[11:41] <_douglas> I clicked java
[11:41] <_douglas> and it's already enabled globaly
[11:41] <pax> you have a path for java?
[11:42] <_douglas> yea
[11:42] <pax> click the next tab 'JavaScript'
[11:43] <pax> Enable JavaScript globally
[11:43] <pax> you will have to Apply changes and reload konqueror
[11:43] <_douglas> that's already set too :(
[11:46] <_douglas> thanks bye
[11:56] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Finally! A decent BitTorrent application for Linux. And just for the record, I think Azureus is anything but decent
[11:57] <apokryphos> Rogue_Jedi_X: which one and why
[12:00] <equex> semi protocols like settings:// and such, are they only internal to konqueror or are they available from other places, like in file requesters and such ?
[12:00] <apokryphos> equex: they're KIOslaves, and hence, specific to Konqueror
[12:00] <apokryphos> or, at least an app that specifically implements them
[12:01] <equex> i see
[12:01] <equex> would be sweet if media:/ was available from inside a file requester
[12:02] <apokryphos> equex: oh, sorry, it is -- for KDE apps
[12:02] <apokryphos> i.e. open Kate and type media:/
[12:03] <equex> ok :) i see now
[12:03] <apokryphos> there's a list of others in kioslave documentation; type help:/kioslave
[12:03] <equex> new to the architechture 
[12:03] <apokryphos> (in Konqueror)
[12:03] <Rogue_Jedi_X> apokryphos: Sorry, went to have a snack. KTorrent. As for why: It's not a system hog
[12:04] <apokryphos> Rogue_Jedi_X: KTorrent is still *really* buggy
[12:04] <apokryphos> and Azureus isn't *that* CPU intesive, though it does begin to be with several apps
[12:04] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Works fine so far
[12:04] <apokryphos> Azureus is decent enough for me (not too cpu-intensive) with two torrents running
[12:05] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I've had problems with it and Kaffeine
[12:05] <apokryphos> KTorrent has only finished about 2 of the 15 torrents I've tried so far. It's improving fast though :)
[12:05] <Rogue_Jedi_X> On Mandrake, that is
[12:05] <apokryphos> integration with kget is gonna be real nice
[12:05] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Now that would be sweet
[12:05] <apokryphos> There's a known problem with the kaffeine issue; it's possible to fix on ubuntu
[12:05] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Really? How?
[12:05] <apokryphos> Rogue_Jedi_X: Yeah. You'll be able to just drag a torrent file into kget, or a URL into it
[12:06] <salil> can anyone help me with crontab..??
[12:06] <apokryphos> !kaffeinefix
[12:06] <ubotu> Wish i knew, apokryphos
[12:06] <apokryphos> doh, hmm
[12:06] <apokryphos> !kaffeineprob
[12:06] <ubotu> it has been said that kaffeineprob is at http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html#probkaffeine
[12:06] <Rogue_Jedi_X> "KGet. The Universal Downloader" I like the sound of that
[12:06] <Rogue_Jedi_X> *click*
[12:06] <salil> help please
[12:06] <apokryphos> Yup; it's the most wanted wish on bugs.kde.org; be back in a few