[12:22] <ajmitch> hard choices, should I do simple-patchsys or dpatch for this package? :)
[12:23] <mbreit> ajmitch: i would say, if you use cdbs use the first.. if not, use dpatch...
[12:23] <ajmitch> well I'd rather not use a patch system at all & convert all these packages to baz archives
[12:23] <crimsun> I'd use simple-patchsys only because I'm used to it, but cdbs is fair game.
[12:24] <ajmitch> but that will take a bit longer to setup
[12:28] <janimonoses> hey crimsun
[12:29] <janimonoses> so far I only closed the MOM bugs
[12:29] <janimonoses> some more xfce packages built after the clean sync but many didn't still
[12:29] <janimonoses> I am looking at weird build failures
[12:37] <ajmitch> please
[12:53] <crimsun> janimonoses: ok.
[12:53] <crimsun> I'm looking at xfce-mcs-manager now.
[12:58] <janimonoses> crimsun, I think I saw similar pkg-config errors in hoary but I don't know in which package and more importantly how did the problem go away :)
[01:03] <crimsun> janimonoses: hard-wired configure.ac, mostly
[01:05] <dholbach> mdz: we're meeting in #ubuntu-meeting - if you wanted to join us
[01:05] <ogra> yay mdz
[01:05] <dholbach> mdz: point 5 of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUMeeting
[01:05] <ogra> we're discussing config{sub,guess} handling in the pacjage
[01:06] <ogra> by default dh_make places the copying in the clean target, that means i clutter my diff.gz totally... whats the rationale for that
[01:06] <ogra> ?
[01:07] <ogra> grmpf... talking to myself here
[01:09] <bddebian> ogra: :-)
[01:11] <Burgundavia> ogra, well, tuxtype has legal issues as well
[01:11] <ogra> hrmpf
[01:12] <Burgundavia> but a new upstream, not yet in debian might solve it
[01:12] <Burgundavia> see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=218908
[01:13] <Burgundavia> without that new upstream version, I don't see pitti approving it
[01:17] <Burgundavia> ogra, can you help me with FHS and Debian Policy stuff?
[01:17] <ajmitch> what FHSisms are at issue?
[01:17] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, no, just checking that packages meet those
[01:18] <ogra> Burgundavia, sure... but currently i'm in motu meeting... and if the packages come from deban we dont need to care about FHS i think
[01:18] <Burgundavia> I honestly have no idea where to start looking
[01:18] <Burgundavia> ogra, can I assume all debian packages meet both, or there would be bugs about it?
[01:19] <ogra> yep the latter
[01:19] <Burgundavia> ok
[01:23] <Burgundavia> ogra, we have to move an entire source package, no?
[01:24] <ogra> Burgundavia, either that, or modify and split the binary targets that get built from it
[01:25] <Burgundavia> this is one of those huge kde packages
[01:25] <Burgundavia> kdeedu
[01:30] <ogra> do we need that ? i thought we only need pieces...
[01:31] <Burgundavia> we need all but about 3 parts
[01:32] <Burgundavia> the japanese lang stuff
[01:35] <Burgundavia> ogra, shall we just pull in the remain few things?
[01:36] <ogra> hmm, can we postpone that decision ? i' currently in the mou meeting and working since 16h or more...
[01:36] <Burgundavia> ogra, ok
[01:36] <Burgundavia> shall I email edubuntu-devel about it?
[01:51] <dholbach> good night everybody
[01:55] <ogra> Burgundavia, probaly good as a reminder
[01:55] <comadreja> ogra: I have some minor problems, do you have a bit of time for me ?
[01:55] <comadreja> ogra: or maybe refer me to somebody else I could ask for help...
[01:56] <ogra> what is it comadreja ?
[01:56] <comadreja> launchpad doesn't let me join the team moto and motuim
[01:57] <comadreja> and I haven't received yet acknowledge for my key, CoC signature
[01:57] <ogra> comadreja, someone has to add you
[01:57] <comadreja> it doesn't let me even be a proposed member
[01:58] <ogra> mako was travelling, he just arrived home... give him some time to catch up with mails and poke him online
[01:58] <comadreja> oh, I see, could you add me to the motu team ?
[02:00] <ogra> comadreja, you launchpad name ?
[02:00] <ogra> your
[02:01] <comadreja> ogra, jorge-drqueue ?
[02:02] <ogra> jorge@drqueue.org ?
[02:02] <comadreja> yes
[02:02] <ogra> added
[02:02] <comadreja> thanks !!
[02:02] <comadreja> you rock :D
[02:03] <ogra> its two clicks ;)
[02:04] <comadreja> hey why is everybody administrator and me only approved ? :D
[02:04] <ogra> changed, sorry :)
[02:04] <comadreja> just kidding, I thought it was right :)
[02:05] <ogra> every approved member should be able to change stuff for motu ;)
[02:06] <comadreja> oh, I see
[02:10] <mbreit> i will go to bed now, too...
[02:10] <mbreit> good night everybody!
[02:10] <comadreja> nite mbreit
[02:28] <robitaille> ~/quit
[02:30] <Burgundavia> ogra, I will email edubuntu-devel. I should also be able to have most of the reports finished tonight
[02:30] <ogra> wow
[02:31] <ogra> Burgundavia, you rock  !!
[02:31] <Burgundavia> it just means I have to knuckle down
[02:31] <Burgundavia> making the reports is quite tedious
[02:32] <ogra> yes, but there are some heavy things in the list.. i'll have to add a lot later and ahve to change several dependencys of the packages
[02:33] <Burgundavia> the servers apps I would like you to do
[02:33] <Burgundavia> I don't trust that I have the right knowledge
[02:33] <ogra> sure, no prob... especially since we dont know yet if we go with php4 or 5
[02:33] <ogra> i have to rebuild and test the packages first
[02:34] <Burgundavia> the desktop stuff is pretty easy and I haven'
[02:34] <ogra> but currently my nightmare has the name gcompris... it wont compile with gcc-4.0
[02:34] <Burgundavia> the kdeedu stuff is going to be easy
[02:35] <Burgundavia> I don't anticipate any problems there
[03:17] <tseng> hi
[03:17] <ajmitch> ogra: do you know if gcompris FTBFS in sid as well? I don't see the bugreport there
[03:17] <ajmitch> how's it going, tseng ?
[03:18] <tseng> meh
[03:18] <ajmitch> one of those weeks?
[03:18] <ogra> ajmitch, nope, but on all gcc-4.0 based distros
[03:19] <ogra> cvs works fine here, i'll fix our package tomorrow
[03:19] <ajmitch> ogra: ok, I guess someone is yet to file a sid bug (hint, hint) *g*
[03:19] <ogra> ajmitch, i'll do this as well, but i cant wait anymore for debian...
[03:20] <ogra> *g*
[03:20] <ajmitch> ogra: I know, I don't want to put any more pressure on you
[03:20] <ajmitch> bddebian: whyever not?
[03:20] <ajmitch> summaries of meetings is nice & easy :)
[03:20] <ogra> ajmitch, i work better under pressure ;)
[03:21] <ajmitch> so do I, funnily enough
[03:21] <ogra> but the only thing that is able to give me pressure is a calendar :)
[03:22] <ajmitch> of course I only found out about it yesterday ;)
[03:23] <ogra> fun :)
[03:23] <ajmitch> sure is
[03:23] <ajmitch> not as fun as fixing unmet deps though
[03:24] <bddebian> Heh
[03:24] <bddebian> OK, ice cream time, later gang
[03:24] <ajmitch> bye bddebian
[03:27] <ajmitch> if I touch it & don't file a debian bug, doko would hunt me down ;)
[03:27] <ogra> ciao bddebian
[05:45] <Burgundavia> ogra, you are aware that audacity is still borked on breezy
[05:47] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: how so?
[05:48] <ajmitch> please give some details of how I broke it, please :)
[05:48] <bddebian> eh
[05:48] <bddebian> Err heh even
[05:48] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, cannot find default sound device
[05:49] <crimsun> even if /dev/dsp is free?
[05:49] <Burgundavia> yes
[05:49] <Burgundavia> bloody hell, malone is borked right now
[05:49] <ajmitch> ok..
[05:49] <Burgundavia> it might just be my system
[05:49] <robitaille> Burgundavia:  Malone seems to work for me
[05:49] <Burgundavia> I type is the search bar and go here
[05:50] <robitaille> I was looking at https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/337
[05:50] <Burgundavia> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/
[05:50] <robitaille> Burgundavia:  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/ works for me...
[05:50] <Burgundavia> yes, but I don't go to that page
[05:51] <Burgundavia> my url stays the search one
[05:51] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, you are doing alsa stuff no?
[05:52] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: nope, crimsun is
[05:52] <Burgundavia> ok
[05:52] <ajmitch> I try & ignore the details of sound stuff as much as possible :)
[05:53] <Burgundavia> crimsun, are we waiting on a sync from debian with alsa?
[05:53] <crimsun> Burgundavia: which source package?
[05:53] <ajmitch> considering that they don't even use ubuntu1
[05:53] <ajmitch> crimsun: look at malone #407 & lart them :)
[05:54] <Burgundavia> crimsun, -base and -utils
[05:54] <Burgundavia> sorry, -driver
[05:55] <crimsun> Burgundavia: perhaps 4
[05:55] <crimsun> (-4)
[05:55] <Burgundavia> ok
[05:58] <robitaille> ajmitch:  well...if you can't listen to your mp3s on your sb16 card, that's a real emergency :)
[05:59] <ajmitch> robitaille: I've still got an sb16pnp in a breezy box here :)
[05:59] <ajmitch> I can't remember the last time it actually worked
[06:00] <crimsun> snd-sb16 should work fine with it if it's a genuine SB16 PNP
[06:02] <bddebian> Gnight gang
[06:05] <ajmitch> crimsun: sure, but my card is probably dead
[06:07] <ajmitch> isa deserves to be relegated to the history books :)
[06:29] <chillywilly> barry is a wimp
[06:30] <chillywilly> :)
[06:30] <chillywilly> who the hell needs sleep anyway?
[06:33] <ajmitch> I don't see you volunteering to help out with everything ;)
[06:36] <chillywilly> I attempted to build some packages that had unmet deps but this guy ajmitch took away all my fun :)
[06:37] <ajmitch> that's what I'm here for
[06:40] <Burgundavia> chillywilly, you tried planner?
[06:41] <chillywilly> wassat? ;)
[06:42] <chillywilly> oh, project replacement
[06:42] <Burgundavia> pretty much dead
[06:42] <Burgundavia> needs someone who likes to hack something like that
[06:42] <chillywilly> I'd rather have something web based
[06:42] <Burgundavia> which is pretty much nobody
[06:42] <chillywilly> dotproject looked promising
[06:43] <chillywilly> but I figure I will just learn stinking M$ Project for now and then find something web based later on
[08:06] <dabaR> Hi. Is there a bum package for ubuntu anywhere?
[08:07] <Burgundavia> dabaR, just got synced
[08:08] <dabaR> was that mean?
[08:09] <dabaR> haha
[08:09] <dabaR> that did not mean what I meant.
[08:09] <ajmitch> he means 'yes'
[08:09] <dabaR> What do you mean synced?
[08:09] <dabaR> ok, coolness.
[08:09] <dabaR> so, in one of the repos for hoary?
[08:09] <ajmitch> probably breezy
[08:10] <ajmitch> it would only be in hoary if it were backported
[08:10] <dabaR> hm...so should one isntall it onto hoary, what is your estimate?
[08:10] <Lathiat> dabaR: it wont happen unless someone begs for it to go into backports, and assuming it can easily go into backports
[08:11] <dabaR> so not just install the breezy version onto hoary?
[08:12] <ajmitch> it's often not a good idea
[08:13] <dabaR> so, yall been warned type of deal...ok, thank you guys.
[09:37] <Burgundavia> Natja, please turn that off
[09:40] <chillywilly> hmmm, MS Project must die
[09:47] <siretart> morning, folks
[10:01] <Amaranth> Natja: Please turn that off.
[10:06] <Burgundavia> hmm --> http://users.on.net/~spohlenz/ubuntu/
[10:10] <siretart> Burgundavia: what is with that?
[10:10] <Burgundavia> basic little tool to install ndiswrapper stuff, graphically
[10:10] <siretart> cool
[10:11] <Burgundavia> there are even sources there
[10:11] <Burgundavia> I have asked the author to come here
[10:11] <Burgundavia> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=286024&posted=1#post286024
[10:12] <siretart> I don't use ndiswrapper, but he is welcome to upload that package to revu
[10:12] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:17] <Burgundavia> that ndiswrapper thing is even written in python
[10:18] <siretart> cool
[10:18] <Burgundavia> the UI cannot be simpler
[10:21] <Burgundavia> siretart, http://img323.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ndisgtk0zc.png
[10:23] <siretart> looking nice, indeed
[10:24] <Burgundavia> this one we might want to push into main
[10:26] <niran> it's another summer of code project: http://spohlenz.blogspot.com/
[10:26] <Burgundavia> oh
[10:26] <Burgundavia> didn't know that
[10:27] <Burgundavia> that is why it is written in python
[10:29] <niran> it's for this spec: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/GraphicalConfigTools
[10:30] <Burgundavia> given that all the ones on that page got done by gnome in .12, I wondered what they would do
[10:30] <tamir>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY 275364547
[10:30] <Burgundavia> tamir, oops
[10:30] <Burgundavia> tamir, you know that xchat can autoidentify for you?
[10:31] <tamir> damit
[10:31] <tamir> oh doesn't matter, I don't care of this
[10:33] <Burgundavia> I find it interesting who is fetching that atheros project stuff
[10:37] <siretart> do you mean madwifi?
[10:37] <siretart> who is caring for this?
[10:38] <Burgundavia> no
[10:38] <Burgundavia> fedora got a soc to reverse engineer the atheros driver
[10:38] <Burgundavia> http://computer-lab.blogspot.com/
[10:39] <Burgundavia> fedora and ubuntu both got bounties to write simple backup things. Both to be written in python
[10:41] <niran> i could search... but where are the fedora bounties?
[10:42] <Burgundavia> http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraBounties
[10:42] <niran> thanks
[10:43] <Burgundavia> I really hope in the next month we get a flood of releasing stuff
[10:43] <Burgundavia> because it is all quiet on the western front with some people
[10:43] <niran> yeah, there's a few of the ubuntu bounties that i havent heard anything about
[10:44] <Burgundavia> one has already been dropped
[10:44] <Burgundavia> the xen stuff
[10:44] <niran> yeah, i saw that
[10:45] <niran> i don't know how many of them realize that the projects are supposed to be finished by feature freeze
[10:45] <niran> i.e. one week
[10:45] <Burgundavia> ouch
[10:46] <Burgundavia> features after feature freeze make the doc team hunt you down and kill you
[10:46] <niran> exactly
[10:46] <niran> i'd like to live
[10:46] <niran> there are still a couple of big things i need to do in the next week
[10:46] <niran> it should be interesting
[10:46] <niran> and next week is my physics final
[10:46] <niran> fun.
[10:47] <siretart> what?!
[10:47] <siretart> xen has been dropped?! why that?
[10:47] <niran> the bounty reciever never replied
[10:47] <Treenaks> that, and the hype has died down
[10:48] <siretart> :(
[10:48] <siretart> is there some mail about that decision? or blog entry?
[10:48] <niran> hm... i thought the breezygoals page said it, but now it says it's assigned
[10:49] <niran> did someone else get it afterwards?
[10:49] <Burgundavia> deferred
[10:49] <niran> ah, it's here: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyBounties
[10:49] <siretart> err, I thought ed despard was working on this
[10:50] <siretart> he wrote this in a mail to ubuntu-devel on Jul 5
[10:51] <niran> ah, i see the mail
[10:51] <niran> maybe it will actually happen
[10:53] <Burgundavia> all the google stuff I want to see happen, but your stuff niran was probably the best
[10:54] <niran> :) that's why i picked it
[10:54] <Burgundavia> I am glad you have not gone awol
[10:54] <niran> i think it'll really nelp new users that are used to the windows way to install programs
[10:54] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:54] <Burgundavia> synaptic + my step-mother = evil
[10:54] <niran> haha
[10:55] <Burgundavia> let alone CLI stuff
[10:55] <niran> i think what really helps in terms of the bounties is that i was already around the community beforehand, so i kind of knew how things worked
[10:55] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:55] <Burgundavia> dropping in and starting something like g-a-i is hard
[10:56] <niran> i still had to spend lots of time learning random things
[10:56] <niran> it's my first real pygtk program
[10:57] <niran> plus, it's using libraries with no documentation
[10:57] <niran> fun.
[10:57] <Burgundavia> when does google want the project to be done by?
[10:57] <niran> sept 1
[10:57] <Burgundavia> ah
[10:57] <Burgundavia> and who upchecks you?
[10:57] <niran> our mentor
[10:57] <niran> for me, mvo
[10:57] <Burgundavia> ok
[10:59] <Burgundavia> is the plan to make g-a-i agnostic of dpkg and push it upstream?
[11:01] <niran> ultimately, sure
[11:01] <niran> if fedora or someone shows interest, i'll try to abstract away the apt-isms
[11:01] <niran> but for now it's not worth it
[11:01] <Burgundavia> ya
[11:02] <niran> what i'm more concerned about is making it easy for someone to do a kde port
[11:02] <niran> but... it's tied pretty closely to the gui, so it'd take a lot of new code
[11:02] <niran> one gtk program won't hurt kubuntu people
[11:03] <Lathiat> ITS MURDER
[11:03] <koke> niran: BTW, if you want to look at my old notes about FindingPackages http://wiki.amedias.org/wk/FindingPackages
[11:03] <niran> koke, cool, thanks
[11:03] <niran> Lathiat, you'll live :)
[11:04] <koke> I've just seen rrdtool binary is in universe but source is in main
[11:04] <koke> is it normal? have I missed a layout change? :)
[11:59] <Burgundavia> night
[02:06] <herve> hello
[02:07] <ajmitch> hey herve
[02:07] <\sh> hey herve
[02:07] <\sh> tseng: what must I read now on p.u.c? u had a surgery?
[02:07] <ajmitch> \sh!
[02:08] <tseng> \sh: i did.
[02:08] <tseng> yesterday
[02:08] <ajmitch> must have been fun
[02:08] <tseng> much better now
[02:08] <\sh> tseng: I hope nothing serious....a new arm or something for faster typing?
[02:08] <ajmitch> recovering ok then?
[02:08] <tseng> yep
[02:08] <tseng> \sh: i am the 6 million dollar man
[02:08] <tseng> \sh: no.. read the post before
[02:10] <\sh> tseng: ay...this is not good..
[02:11] <ajmitch> no, it's obvious he needs motu work to keep his mind off things
[02:12] <\sh> i believe it came with the mono work...MS stuff is not healthy at all...try to work on python stuff, tseng, or perl, and everything will be fine
[02:12] <tseng> i am not that interested in mono in and of itself, believe it or not
[02:13] <ajmitch> mainly in the apps?
[02:13] <Treenaks> tseng: so you're not Miguel's clone?
[02:13] <tseng> its the apps that run on mono that i am in love with
[02:13] <tseng> Treenaks: no.
[02:14] <\sh> tseng: as your doc I will give you the advise..leave mono for a while and concentrate on soft stuff like python or perl ,-)
[02:14] <tseng> haha
[02:14] <tseng> i do tcl and php at work
[02:14] <ajmitch> miguel can be quite entertaining
[02:14] <tseng> ajmitch++
[02:16] <tseng> bradb: yo yo
[02:19] <ajmitch> how's the launchpad sprint going/gone in .br?
[02:19] <bradb> hey tseng, how's it going?
[02:19] <tseng> bradb: not too bad, yourself?
[02:20] <bradb> good thanks. busy spec'ing in brazil.
[02:20] <tseng> yeah, brazil :)
[02:21] <ajmitch> great, malone is looking better these days :)
[02:43] <CarlFK> how do I tell what libavifile-0.7-dev depends on?
[02:45] <ajmitch> apt-cache depends libavifile-0.7-dev
[02:45] <CarlFK> thanks
[02:47] <ajmitch> and grep-dctrl tells me that only drip & dvr build-depend on it
[02:48] <CarlFK>  transcode apparently does
[02:48] <CarlFK> but  libavifile-0.7-dev wont install
[02:48] <CarlFK> libavifile-0.7-dev: Conflicts: libavifile-0.7 but 1:0.7.43.20050224-1ubuntu4 is to be installed
[02:49] <ajmitch> right, I just checked universe, not multiverse :)
[02:50] <ajmitch> perhaps it's a package that hasn't progressed through NEW due to a c++ transition or similar?
[02:51] <ajmitch> or I think the depends/conflicts is a mess
[02:53] <CarlFK> should I post this to the -devel list?
[02:54] <ajmitch> possibly, I'm not sure if anyone plans to fix it there
[02:54] <ajmitch> since it's a universe issue
[02:54] <CarlFK> ah
[02:54] <CarlFK> so where?
[02:54] <ajmitch> file bugs in malone
[02:55] <CarlFK> I have heard of that... where is it?
[02:55] <ajmitch> launchpad.net/malone
[02:56] <CarlFK> thanks
[03:06] <CarlFK> so do I register libavifile as a product?
[03:06] <tseng> no
[03:07] <tseng> oh wow @ new malone page
[03:07] <tseng> CarlFK: File bug on a package
[03:07] <CarlFK> which package?
[03:07] <tseng> libavifile?
[03:08] <CarlFK> ah - i see package now
[03:08] <tseng> bradb: i am loving malone.
[03:09] <CarlFK> how do I search for libavifile?
[03:10] <tseng> view ubuntu bugs
[03:10] <tseng> on the front page
[03:12] <bradb> tseng: really, that's good to hear
[03:12] <bradb> tseng: have you noticed significant improvements of late?
[03:12] <tseng> it looks like you fixed alot of my problems
[03:13] <tseng> bradb: im just now seeing the new updates, i must have not been on the page for awhile
[03:13] <ajmitch> yeah, malone is certainly more usable now
[03:13] <tseng> but oh
[03:13] <tseng> i got some malone spam
[03:13] <tseng> should i fwd to you
[03:13] <ogra> bradb, hey... have a look at
[03:13] <ogra> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/768
[03:13] <ogra>  ... any chance to avoid autoresponder spam from users ?
[03:13] <tseng> ah, right
[03:14] <ajmitch> because we get that spam now that the bugs are assigned to us
[03:14] <ajmitch> that's what we had to ask about - getting a mailing list subscribed instead of all the MOTU team
[03:15] <ogra> the bugsummary is worth making a poster of it  :)
[03:15] <tseng> what about an alias
[03:15] <tseng> rather than a list
[03:15] <ogra> 2.0.1-7ubuntu2 fubar, rebuilt 2.0.4-1 from Debian Testing fine
[03:15] <bradb> sorry guys, getting kind of distracted over here in .br. in the middle of writing Malone specs.
[03:15] <bradb> next landing is a CVE report for the distribution
[03:15] <tseng> thats what gentoo does, as \sh is so fond of pointing out :P
[03:16] <bradb> by tomorrowish, we should have landed the source package bugs listing
[03:16] <ajmitch> sweet
[03:21] <CarlFK> shouldn't "source package name" be libavifile-0.7-dev or something similar?
[03:23] <mbreit> source package name of libavifile is "avifile"
[03:23] <mbreit> see apt-cache show libavifile-0.7-dev
[03:23] <CarlFK> thanks
[03:24] <mbreit> btw: could someone please review my gnomeradio package?
[03:24] <mbreit> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=292
[03:39] <ajmitch> should I bother to fix the speedtouch package? since apparantly it isn't needed for kernels >= 2.6.10
[03:39] <tseng> sounds like a -devel list question
[03:39] <havoc> what is speedtouch?
[03:39] <tseng> see if anyone stil has a need
[03:40] <ajmitch> havoc: dsl modem driver
[03:40] <havoc> ah
[03:40] <ajmitch> there's a kernel driver, and 2.6.10 has it's own firmware loader that this package supplied
[03:42] <havoc> DSL sucks
[03:42] <havoc> at least SBC's DSL sucks
[03:43] <ajmitch> so does everything else, but DSL just sucks less
[03:43] <havoc> SBC's is pretty bad as far as reliability goes
[03:43] <havoc> I have many clients who have no other option other than SBC DSL and it is nothing but problems
[03:44] <havoc> most of the issues related to PPPoE
[03:44] <ajmitch> and there's only 1 dsl provider here
[03:44] <havoc> or rather their implementation of PPPoE
[03:44] <havoc> ajmitch: SBC?
[03:44] <tseng> you guys dont do cable?
[03:44] <ajmitch> no...
[03:44] <ajmitch> this is new zealand, why would we have SBC? :)
[03:44] <havoc> ajmitch: duh, I forgot :)
[03:44] <ajmitch> there is cable in only a couple of areas in NZ
[03:45] <ajmitch> but telecom NZ has the DSL monopoly
[03:45] <highvoltage> hi guys
[03:45] <zul> powered by sheep?
[03:45] <tseng> is this "the" jono?
[03:45] <ajmitch> no, hot air piped in from parliament :P
[03:47] <zul> hehe
[03:47] <ajmitch> looks like backports mono is failing on the buildd due to build-deps
[03:47] <tseng> which?
[03:47] <ajmitch> 36	 cli-common: Depends: mono-utils but it is not installable or
[03:48] <ajmitch> 37	cil-disassembler but it is not installable
[03:48] <ajmitch> just the usual
[03:48] <tseng> oh right..
[03:48] <tseng> buh
[03:48] <ajmitch> that's why I specified backports before getting you worried
[03:48] <tseng> yes i forgot to tell them to bootstrap it
[03:49] <highvoltage> tseng: what do you mean by "the" jono?
[03:49] <tseng> ill get Mez up to speed when im not hopped up on drugs
[03:49] <tseng> highvoltage: jono bacon
[03:49] <highvoltage> oh, no.
[03:49] <highvoltage> my name is jonathan :)
[03:51] <tseng> heh.
[04:00] <\sh> going home...later dudes
[04:20] <Mez> ajmitch, mono failing on buildd? tseng told me it built fine
[04:21] <tseng> Mez: you need to cut build-deps to start
[04:21] <tseng> its funny
[04:21] <tseng> we can talk about it later
[04:21] <Mez> ??
[04:21] <tseng> ??
[04:22] <tseng> its a bootstrap dude
[04:22] <tseng> mono build-dep cli common, cli-common dep mono
[04:22] <tseng> you have to work around first upload
[04:22] <Mez> ah fair enough
[04:22] <tseng> we'll talk later
[04:22] <Mez> tseng: fair enough - you'll have to poke me and stuff
[04:22] <Mez> I cant see it failing though
[04:22] <tseng> yep
[04:23] <tseng> aj says it is
[04:23] <tseng> i believe everything he says.
[04:23] <Mez> ah yes it is
[04:24] <Mez> but cli-common is building ok
[04:24] <Mez> well, i386 is anyways
[04:24] <tseng> yes but its uninstallable
[04:24] <tseng> is the point
[04:24] <Mez> ah, yes :D I see what you mean now
[04:25] <Mez> file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html
[04:26] <Mez> grr
[04:26] <Mez> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:26] <Mez>   cli-common: Depends: mono-utils but it is not installable or
[04:26] <Mez>                        cil-disassembler but it is not installable
[04:26] <Mez>               Depends: mono-mcs but it is not installable or
[04:26] <Mez>                        strong-name-tool but it is not installable
[04:26] <Mez> E: Broken packages
[04:26] <tseng> yes
[04:26] <tseng> so the deal is
[04:26] <tseng> oh wow
[04:26] <tseng> how are we going to do this
[04:26] <tseng> if everything has to be pulled from breezy
[04:27] <Mez> tseng: how did you get it to build for hoary?
[04:27] <tseng> hoary was totally different
[04:27] <tseng> and much worse
[04:27] <tseng> oh.. how did i do the backport?
[04:28] <tseng> i commented out cli-common build dep
[04:28] <tseng> and dh_*cli* in rules
[04:28] <tseng> built once
[04:28] <tseng> then cli-common is installable
[04:28] <tseng> put it all back, built again
[04:28] <tseng> done.
[04:28] <Mez> so you basically made a fake pacakge for cli-common
[04:28] <tseng> but you cant make changes to the packages
[04:29] <tseng> yes
[04:29] <tseng> a bootstrap
[04:29] <Mez> hmmles
[04:34] <Mez> tseng: I think we can probably get this to work, it's just a PITA to get it to that point
[04:35] <tseng> ok
[04:35] <tseng> someone can insert it by hand
[04:35] <tseng> the dummy source, that is
[04:35] <tseng> and then do a normal backport
[04:35] <tseng> I think
[04:36] <chillywilly> Project too
[04:36] <chillywilly> what a useless tool...people just simply do not work this way
[04:37] <chillywilly> I am not a computer I don't do everything sequentially ;)
[04:37] <chillywilly> I also cannot predict the future
[04:38] <tamir> Does some one have freezing rhythembox problems?
[04:39] <tamir> I think it is something wrong with the package
[04:42] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:47] <Mez> tseng: brandon right?
[04:47] <tseng> yes
[04:48] <tseng> whats up?
[04:51] <Mez> just checking so I knew I was CC:ing the right person
[04:57] <bddebian> ogra: Ah, I thought I scared you away when I joined.. ;-)
[04:58] <ogra> bddebian, you did... but i recreated very fast today :P
[04:58] <bddebian> Heh
[04:58] <ogra> :)
[05:01] <siretart> release candidate 1 finished..
[05:03] <tseng> of revu2?
[05:04] <siretart> tseng: hehe, of my thesis ;)
[05:04] <tseng> oh.
[05:04] <siretart> but this means, I will soon have time to work on reu2
[05:04] <siretart> revu2
[05:05] <bddebian> Heh
[05:05] <tseng> i figured out why cover art fetching in muine is broken (and fixed it)
[05:05] <tseng> rock on.
[05:06] <bddebian> tseng++
[05:12] <bddebian> Heya majic
[05:12] <majic> hello bddebian
[05:13] <majic> how is the universe today?
[05:14] <bddebian> How would I know? :-)
[05:14] <terrex> i'm fine, thx
[05:14] <terrex> lol
[05:14] <majic> I suppose I need to get one of those fancy gpg key things...
[05:15] <bddebian> majic: If you want to become an MOTU, yes :-)
[05:16] <majic> I'm researching it. I never messed with gnupg before.
[05:23] <majic> so once I create a key, somebody will have to sign it so that it can become part of the strongly connected set?
[05:23] <bddebian> majic: Yes, basically
[05:58] <dholbach> hellas :)
[05:58] <dholbach> could somebody remove "danielholbach" from malone motu group and add "dh" instead? thanks :)
[05:59] <mbreit> hi dholbach... and thanks for the vote...
[05:59] <dholbach> mbreit: de rien :)
[06:01] <ogra> dholbach, any objection to do that yourself ?
[06:01] <ogra> i made all memebers admins
[06:02] <dholbach> ogra: danielholbach is a random crappy account
[06:02] <dholbach> ogra: dh is MY account
[06:02] <dholbach> :)
[06:02] <dholbach> that's my major objection which brought me here in the first place :-p
[06:03] <ogra> heh... ok, so if we want to see you here, we'll change your launchpad login in the future... great info ;)
[06:03] <dholbach> hahahahah
[06:03] <bddebian> Heya dholbach
[06:03] <dholbach> hey barry
[06:04] <tseng> dholbach!
[06:05] <dholbach> brandon! woohoo! - you're all here :)
[06:05] <tseng> sortof
[06:07] <dholbach> bddebian: super!
[06:09] <ogra> wow
[06:09] <ogra> thats fats
[06:09] <ogra> fast too
[06:09] <dholbach> i'm glad to see that everything's still the same... still REVIEW DAY! and ogra still struggles with his keyboard :-p
[06:09] <bddebian> Well, I didn't say they were right :-)
[06:10] <dholbach> ok, i'll be off cooking, before ogra slaps me too hard
[06:11] <ogra> dholbach, yes, but only because i broke it with my forehead hitting it caused by a gcompris desiase
[06:11] <dholbach> ogra: that's completely understandable
[06:11] <dholbach> ogra: ask herve on the side effects of extensive gcompris debugging
[06:11] <ogra> i fixed it... but python-gnome2-dev was broken.... costs me half a day...
[06:12] <herve> dholbach, 2 aspirins and a rope attached on the ceil
[06:13] <ogra> bddebian, thats a waste of aspirine
[06:36] <herve> hello, by the way
[06:37] <dholbach> :)
[06:38] <bddebian> Hello herve
[06:39] <herve> hello from Paris even :-)
[06:40] <bddebian> herve: Nice
[06:40] <dholbach> you're in paris?
[06:40] <dholbach> cool
[06:40] <dholbach> i'd love to get there once again
[06:42] <herve> Montmartre, Pigalle :-)
[06:42] <herve> a tv series was shot the whole day in front of our office
[06:43] <herve> there were sweet actresses :-)
[06:43] <bddebian> Heh
[07:22] <jeffm> hey guys
[07:22] <jeffm> can i install KDE on Ubuntu with no reprocussions?
[07:24] <dholbach> what's a reprocussion?
[07:25] <jeffm> will everything still work after i install KDE
[07:25] <dholbach> yes
[07:25] <jeffm> ok cool
[07:25] <dholbach> you can remove it afterwards as well (if you shouldn't like it)
[07:25] <jeffm> so its no big deal switching between KDE and GNOME
[07:25] <dholbach> not at all
[07:25] <jeffm> wicked
[07:25] <dholbach> you can choose the session type on the login screen
[07:25] <jeffm> are you on Ubuntu right now?
[07:25] <dholbach> yes
[07:26] <jeffm> whats its best feature??
[07:26] <dholbach> that's a good question, but i think after more than a year i haven't decided yet - maybe somebody else knows a good answer to that :)
[07:27] <jeffm> lol
[07:27] <jeffm> did you switch from micro$oft?
[07:27] <dholbach> i think it's closest to the "just works" ideal and i love it's community
[07:27] <jeffm> k
[07:27] <jeffm> lol
[07:27] <dholbach> that was no joke, i really do :)
[07:28] <jeffm> good
[07:28] <dholbach> so you're going to try ubuntu now?
[07:28] <jeffm> well, on Friday
[07:28] <dholbach> excellent
[07:28] <jeffm> im getting a laptop
[07:28] <jeffm> and im gonna put Ubuntu on it
[07:28] <highvoltage> cool
[07:28] <koke> jeffm: I installed kubuntu-desktop last week and works nice .)
[07:29] <dholbach> super, be sure to tell the mailing list how it all went
[07:29] <jeffm> isnt it in Beta?
[07:29] <dholbach> hoary is released
[07:29] <jeffm> ok
[07:29] <koke> jeffm: so it's breezy and I'm using it everyday :)
[07:29] <jeffm> whats the diff, besides KDE?
[07:29] <dholbach> breezy is still a bit bumpy and if you don't know where to look for errors it's a bit hard
[07:29] <dholbach> better stick to hoary still
[07:30] <koke> sure, hoary is nice enough :)
[07:30] <dholbach> if you install ubuntu, you can load the kubuntu-desktop package from the net (via synaptic) and be off just fine
[07:30] <jeffm> nice
[07:30] <koke> and there'snot much time left untils breezy becomes stable too
[07:30] <jeffm> i cant wait
[07:31] <jeffm> :D
[07:31] <dholbach> or install kubuntu hoary and load the ubuntu-desktop package (that's vice versa)
[07:31] <jeffm> yeah
[07:31] <koke> the result should be the same
[07:31] <dholbach> koke: 9 weeks or something
[07:31] <jeffm> ok, is the Ubuntu setup complicated?
[07:31] <dholbach> not at all
[07:31] <dholbach> should be pretty straight forward
[07:32] <dholbach> if you know partitioning from the windows world a bit, you shouldnt be afraid
[07:32] <dholbach> but there are setup guides out there
[07:33] <jeffm> ok nice
[09:06] <bddebian> ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[09:06] <bddebian> Everybody is busy working right? :)
[09:07] <chillywilly> yea right
[09:07] <chillywilly> need foof
[09:07] <chillywilly> food too
[09:08] <chillywilly> bye
[09:08] <bddebian> chillywilly!!!!
[09:34] <chillywilly> bddebian!
[09:34] <bddebian> chillywilly: You an MOTU yet? ;-)
[09:35] <chillywilly> no
[09:35] <chillywilly> u?
[09:40] <chillywilly> bddebian: you'll always be master of my universe ;)
[09:41] <tseng> uh
[09:42] <chillywilly> huh?
[09:43] <bddebian> chillywilly: ;-)
[09:43] <bddebian> chillywilly: tseng doesn't like me
[09:43] <chillywilly> tseng sucks then ;)
[09:43] <bddebian> Bah
[09:44] <Amaranth> err, reflex
[09:44] <Amaranth> ;)
[09:44] <Burgundavia> bddebian, if you don't dwell on it, tseng won
[09:44] <Burgundavia> t either
[09:44] <bddebian> Amaranth: What did I do?
[09:44] <Amaranth> i dunno
[09:44] <Amaranth> just felt like the right thing to do for some reason :D
[09:44] <chillywilly> *thwap*
[09:45] <tseng> bddebian: ive told you already
[09:45] <tseng> bddebian: i dont like you when you are running at the mouth and not contributing anything
[09:45] <tseng> im much more cooperative when the scale tips the other way
[09:45] <Riddell> ogra: I'm alowed to upload new stuff to universe yes?
[09:45] <tseng> stop telling everyone how I hate you, its more "annoyed"
[09:45] <ogra> Riddell, you ask *me* ?
[09:46] <ogra> Riddell, you were MOTU before me :)
[09:46] <tseng> mdz told me yes
[09:46] <Burgundavia> Riddell, for the record, I heard mdz say that new universe stuff is fine with him
[09:46] <Riddell> ogra: just checking status of version freeze
[09:46] <Riddell> Burgundavia: groovy
[09:46] <ogra> Riddell, we talked about it... i trust you wrt UVF
[09:46] <chillywilly> tseng: everyone has to start somewhere and bddebian is trying from what I see
[09:46] <Riddell> groovy groovy
[09:46] <ogra> Riddell, so just go ahead
[09:46] <chillywilly> more than I can say for myself :)
[09:49] <bddebian> chillywilly: It's not good enough :-)
[09:49] <chillywilly> so what, you'll get better
[09:49] <chillywilly> what is this? #debian-devel? ;)
[09:50] <bddebian> Doh... Ouch :-)
[09:50] <tseng> dude, this doesnt involve you
[09:50] <chillywilly> and?
[09:50] <tseng> he's been on about a half dozen times about how i "hate him"
[09:50] <tseng> its tiring
[09:51] <chillywilly> I thought he was just being his normal goofy joking self
[09:52] <Burgundavia> ogra, that is a nasty version number
[09:52] <ogra> hehee
[09:52] <ogra> its a ridiculous patch, that deserves a ridiculous version number :)
[09:58] <ogra> i'll sort it with pitti... dont worry... i dont expect i'll get it through without changes ;) but i need the package installable to move on for now
[10:00] <ogra> i can always unapply the patch (its just dpatched) and even decide we move childsplay to main instead of gcompris
[10:00] <Burgundavia> I have always found gcompris to be very crashy
[10:00] <ogra> its rocksolid here
[10:01] <Burgundavia> ok
[10:01] <ogra> at least the little alien i made of it :)
[10:01] <ogra> <-- never used gcompris before edubuntu
[10:05] <tseng> alien :/
[10:05] <tseng> im using that on scotty from mandrake
[10:05] <tseng> debian dropped it years ago
[10:06] <ogra> i didnt mean the tool :)
[10:06] <tseng> oh
[10:06] <ogra> i wouldnt upload alienized packages... even if alien would create source packages
[10:06] <tseng> sure
[10:12] <bddebian> tseng: So if you think I'm not doing enough, tell me what I should be doing :)
[10:13] <tseng> bddebian: start by not randomly going on with "tseng hates me"
[10:13] <tseng> i thought we were both past that
[10:13] <bddebian> :-)  Sorry, I have esteem problems :-)
[10:51] <ajmitch> morning
[10:52] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[11:05] <bddebian> ajmitch: Since tseng won't tell me, will you tell me what I should focus on? :)
[11:05] <tseng> unmet deps.
[11:05] <bddebian> Stick to UnmetDeps?
[11:06] <bddebian> Ohh heh
[11:06] <tseng> theres lots!
[11:06] <bddebian> No kidding
[11:06] <ajmitch> bddebian: stop being so paranoid
[11:06] <bddebian> ajmitch: Paranoid about what?
[11:06] <bddebian> Heya \sh
[11:06] <ajmitch> people hating you, not talking to you, etc
[11:06] <\sh> evening
[11:06] <bddebian> \sh: You get my meeting minutes?  Not specific enough?
[11:06] <ajmitch> hello \sh
[11:06] <mbreit> hi \sh
[11:07] <\sh> bddebian: I will wrap the rest ,) your "STEPHAN" was noted *lol*
[11:07] <\sh> hey mbreit
[11:07] <bddebian> OK, thx
[11:07] <mbreit> tseng: and there are yet many debdiffs on the wiki page, but it seems that no motu is reviewing them
[11:07] <bddebian> mbreit: Glad you said that :)
[11:08] <ajmitch> sigh, elmo is around but boa-constructor isn't ready to be synced
[11:08] <tseng> mbreit: sorry. there are more projects than motus
[11:08] <dholbach> mbreit: is uploading that stuff to REVU to much overhead?
[11:08] <mbreit> dholbach: you told me not to upload it to revu? (or was it siretart?)
[11:08] <tseng> mbreit: hopefully bddebian will go for his upload rights soon and can go straight to the top.
[11:09] <bddebian> To be honest, I'm not sure I'm ready.  I feel like there is a lot I don't know yet.
[11:09] <Mez> tseng: straight to the top?
[11:09] <mbreit> tseng: sorry, i think you misunderstood me... i did not want to critizise me
[11:09] <Mez> tseng: I think I'm still waiting for my upload rights
[11:10] <\sh> Mez: me as well for main....but don't hesitate :)
[11:10] <\sh> ask ivoks..when he's back
[11:10] <mbreit> ahm, i did not want to critizise _you_ of cause
[11:10] <Mez> \sh - hesitate ?
[11:11] <\sh> Mez: ivoks went crazy ,-)
[11:11] <Mez> ??
[11:12] <\sh> Mez: to wait for elmo :)
[11:12] <mbreit> well, i am a bit confused now... should simple changes like the ones on the unmet deps page be uploaded to revu or not?
[11:12] <Mez> how did he go crazy?
[11:13] <Mez> mbreit: depends on how big the change is and whether you can get someone to review a debdiff
[11:13] <bddebian> mbreit: If they aren't very big no
[11:13] <\sh> Mez: he just started to try to upload every day ;)
[11:14] <bddebian> mbreit: In fact, I was told, they shouldn't really go on REVU at all because they aren't "new".
[11:14] <Mez> \sh lmao
[11:14] <Mez> \sh I've been trying now and then
[11:15] <mbreit> okay, my noteedit debdiff could be a candidate for revu, but the rest?
[11:15] <mbreit> the most patches are simple rebuild-for-unmet-deps-patches...
[11:16] <\sh> sorry when I'm delayed with my answers ...I'm hanging clothes
[11:17] <mbreit> \sh: you wanted to review my qcad patch... you promised to do that after the cc meeting ;) i do not want to annoy you, just to remind you.. if you have some time left....
[11:17] <\sh> mbreit: just a moment :)
[11:17] <bddebian> mbreit: If I understood ajmitch correctly the other night, if all it needs is a rebuild with no changes, just make a note on the wiki.  Doesn't even need a changelog entry
[11:17] <\sh> let me finish my underwear :)
[11:17] <bddebian> uhm
[11:18] <mbreit> ah, btw: i looked at the breezy release schedule today...
[11:18] <mbreit> and i have a question about that:
[11:18] <tseng> shoot
[11:19] <tseng> you know, no one probably needs to post diff's for rebuilds
[11:19] <tseng> its just as easy for me to do the changelog myself
[11:19] <mbreit> tseng: some motu told me to do so ;)
[11:19] <tseng> hm
[11:19] <tseng> arent we organized
[11:19] <mbreit> can new packages come into universe after the feature freeze?
[11:19] <bddebian> no
[11:20] <tseng> yes
[11:20] <dholbach> yes
[11:20] <mbreit> okay, thanks
[11:20] <bddebian> I meant NO to
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[11:20] <Mez> mbreit: if they're just rebuilds - then poke a MOTU
[11:20] <Mez> if you have to change something - and the debdiff is small, poke a MOTU
[11:20] <tseng> can someone tell me what things are simple rebuilds?
[11:21] <Mez> if it's BIG(or not small)
[11:21] <Mez> then REVU is yours
[11:21] <tseng> i can do a few
[11:21] <Mez> tseng: wish I knew :D
[11:21] <Mez> for example, http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~mez/debdiff/webmin-optional.diff would be a "Poke a MOTU" candidate
[11:21] <mbreit> okay, then could someone please rebuild gltron, qsynth and qjackctl? they all worked well after i rebuilded them in pbuilder
[11:22] <tseng> i will
[11:22] <bddebian> I had a few on the wiki that are simple changes/rebuilds
[11:22] <mbreit> tagtool and skribe also go to that list..
[11:22] <ajmitch> we try & get to them when we have time
[11:22] <mbreit> tagtool and skribe are seth's to i can't garantee that
[11:23] <tseng> i am doing the 3
[11:23] <mbreit> tseng: thanks!
[11:23] <bddebian> xdiskusage and xbsql were just rebuilds I think
[11:23] <tseng> mbreit: please verify them as they build
[11:24] <\sh> mbreit: which archs u have to test?
[11:24] <mbreit> i tested all on amd64
[11:24] <mbreit> but i could also test on x86, but not today, because i need a new chroot for that
[11:25] <mbreit> tseng: gltron, qsynth and qjackctl are verified by me a few days ago, should i do that again?
[11:25] <tseng> no i mean
[11:25] <tseng> after the build by ubuntu
[11:25] <tseng> verify that they are working and mark them off the list or something
[11:26] <mbreit> tseng: okay, i will do tha
[11:26] <mbreit> t
[11:26] <tseng> ive uploaded those three, are there more you can say are good for sure?
[11:27] <\sh> mbreit: where is your qcad diff?
[11:27] <tseng> http://ubuntu.mobr.de/sources/debdiffs/qcad_2.0.4.0-1-2ubuntu1.debdiff
[11:27] <mbreit> \sh, http://ubuntu.mobr.de/sources/debdiffs/qcad_2.0.4.0-1-2ubuntu1.debdiff
[11:27] <bddebian> tseng: xdiskusage, xbsql
[11:27] <bddebian> On x86 anyhow
[11:28] <mbreit> so http://ubuntu.mobr.de/sources/debdiffs/noteedit_2.7.1-2ubuntu1.debdiff is a candidate for revu?
[11:28] <tseng> um
[11:28] <tseng> ok.
[11:29] <mbreit> it is not as much as it seems to be...
[11:29] <mbreit> most of that patch is a file from kde svn repository
[11:30] <tseng> bddebian: done, please verify when they hit the archive
[11:30] <bddebian> tseng: OK, thx
[11:31] <mbreit> tseng: oh, thanks for actually mentioning me in the changelog ;)
[11:31] <tseng> mbreit: thanks for testing.
[11:32] <mbreit> then i could add them to my done list? ;)))
[11:32] <tseng> mbreit: its nice to have a documented record of what people do, when you might want to join motu
[11:32] <tseng> we can point at it
[11:32] <tseng> mbreit: after they build and you verify it
[11:32] <mbreit> cool
[11:32] <tseng> rock on :)
[11:33] <tseng> you will have a few good things on your list.
[11:34] <bddebian> Gah, where's the buildlogs again? :-(
[11:34] <dholbach> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/today.html
[11:34] <tseng> people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/
[11:34] <Burgundavia> http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/buildlogs/
[11:34] <tseng> buh
[11:34] <bddebian> Sheesh, thx
[11:34] <bddebian> Yeah we're organized  Three MOTUs, three different answers.. ;-P
[11:35] <Mez> hmmles: logjams deps have been fixed
[11:35] <tseng> at least they are all right.
[11:35] <mbreit> tseng: so it's okay if i add these packages to my done list? or should i put your credit there?
[11:35] <Burgundavia> bddebian, for the record, I am not a MOTU
[11:35] <tseng> mbreit: no, put *your* credit
[11:35] <mbreit> cool, thanks
[11:35] <tseng> mbreit: i dont have to prove anything to anyone :P
[11:36] <\sh> mbreit: patched qcad source now...I'm test building now
[11:36] <bddebian> Burgundavia: Oh,sorry
[11:36] <Burgundavia> bddebian, np
[11:36] <mbreit> tseng: well, i do ;) perhaps i should do something for my self-esteem...
[11:36] <tseng> heh.
[11:37] <tseng> hopefully you will prove yourself to TB someday
[11:37] <mbreit> \sh: cool...
[11:37] <mbreit> tb?
[11:37] <tseng> tech board approves new MOTUs
[11:37] <\sh> technical board
[11:37] <\sh> but first he has to be a member, i think
[11:38] <mbreit> when should i try to become a member? i mean, i just startet with this...
[11:38] <\sh> mbreit: write a wiki page with everything u did for ubuntu
[11:38] <\sh> document your work
[11:40] <mbreit> \sh: well, i only did this motu work...
[11:40] <mbreit> before that, i tried to help out the backport project on amd64...
[11:40] <\sh> mbreit: yes..document it
[11:40] <Mez> mbreit, when was that
[11:41] <bddebian> mbreit: Any work is help :-)
[11:41] <mbreit> Mez: i wrote john at least 3 emails, not just one answer...
[11:41] <Mez> mbreit: not just one answer  .... ?
[11:42] <Mez> just wondering,cause only peron I know who's worke don backports for amd64 = Mike
[11:42] <mbreit> everything i heard from him was a short answer in the forums..
[11:42] <mbreit> and there he just said that most of the work will be done automatically now...
[11:42] <bddebian> Well I'm gonna head home.  Hopefully I can get some work done there.  Later gang
[11:43] <mbreit> i did a lot of backports... a complete set of mono 1.1.8 with gtk# and so on for amd64 hoary... and a lot of other things...
[11:43] <Mez> mbreit: yes it will
[11:44] <mbreit> Mez: i know... but he could at least answer my questions... that was very frustrating for me
[11:44] <Mez> are you on the new mailing list?
[11:45] <mbreit> no, that was before there was a mailing list... i know there was some google group, but i never postet there
[11:47] <ajmitch> gah, demo at work has been moved up 3 hours... bad things
[11:47] <Mez> mbreit, well, the google group would have been a good place
[11:47] <Mez> ajmitch, did your stuff get put into backport
[11:48] <mbreit> Mez: after trying to contact john directly, i tried it in the forum.. but no luck as well, then i gave up...
[11:49] <Mez> mbreit: how long ago was this
[11:49] <\sh> any launchpad gurus online?
[11:49] <\sh> Mez needs to be as well admin for motu team on LP
[11:49] <mbreit> Mez: june?
[11:49] <dholbach> ogra: ^ ^ how is the "new" team called?
[11:50] <ogra> dholbach, no idea, i guess sabdfl will mail us after he created it
[11:51] <dholbach> ok
[11:51] <dholbach> thank you
[11:51] <ajmitch> Mez: what packages?
[11:51] <dholbach> i'm doing some reviews - could somebody look at the 1-review-to-upload packages on REVU? :)
[11:52] <Mez> ajmitch, wha?
[11:54] <ajmitch> Mez: you asked if I got my stuff into backports
[11:54] <Mez> oh, I must hit wrong key
[11:55] <ajmitch> ok :)
[11:55] <ajmitch> since I didn't recall requesting any backports
[11:55] <mbreit> Mez: could you (backport team) use another amd64 backporter?
[11:55] <Mez> ajmitch - was talking to mbreit
[11:55] <Mez> mbreit, not really now everythings moved to the buildds
[11:55] <Mez> plus, Mike does a great job anyways
[11:55] <ajmitch> although it'd be *great* to have the latest upstream inkscape in hoary ;)
[11:56] <mbreit> Mez: glad to hear that ;)
[11:56] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, we need it in breezy first
[11:56] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: I know
[11:56] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, I need help convincing mdz
[11:56] <Mez> mbreit,  0.41 ?
[11:56] <ajmitch> and I hope to see it there soon
[11:56] <mbreit> Mez: you mean ajmitch...
[11:56] <Mez> yes
[11:57] <Mez> ajmitch, 0.41 ?
[11:57] <Mez> see..
[11:57] <Mez> yuou talk next to each other
[11:57] <\sh> ok...
[11:57] <ajmitch> 0.42
[11:57] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, I have a half finished email explaining why it is a good thing
[11:57] <\sh> mbreit: qcad is just building :(
[11:57] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: it's a great thing, not just a good thing
[11:57] <mbreit> btw: someone should update gaim-guifications to the new upstream release... there are a lot of fixed bugs
[11:57] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, mdz freaked at the idea of a big release
[11:57] <\sh> mbreit: tomorrow morning it should be finished...so it looks good now...and if it builds niceley I will upload the patch ..hope your email address is whitelisted
[11:57] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: I can understand that
[11:58] <mbreit> \sh: i know... i takes a bit in pbuilder.. because of this network connections from uic...
[11:58] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: we're a few weeks past UVF, and they have to support it for 18 months
[11:58] <\sh> mbreit: i don't really care about uic :) kdebase takes longer ;)
[11:58] <mbreit> *g*
[11:58] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, yes
[11:59] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, the inkscape people already use Ubuntu
[11:59] <ajmitch> and the notice of 0.42.1 'real soon now' due to serious bugs isn't reassuring
[11:59] <mbreit> \sh: about my email address is whitelisted: i don't know...
[11:59] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, seriously?
[12:00] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: from a distro point of view :)
[12:00] <Burgundavia> yes
[12:00] <Burgundavia> just saw that
[12:00] <\sh> mbreit: please have a look in wiki.ubuntu.com/Uploads and use this address to send your email with a nice statement to elmo
[12:00] <mbreit> \sh: i will do that
[12:00] <Burgundavia> the sheer number of features, it doesn't surprise me
[12:01] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: I think mdz would worry about time it would take the release to stablilise
[12:02] <ajmitch> and I know the inkscape developers wouldn't want to wait another 8 months to get 0.42 or newer into a stable release
[12:02] <mbreit> \sh: elmo is at upload@ubuntulinux.org?
[12:02] <dholbach> mbreit: elmo or whoever does the job at the moment :)
[12:02] <dholbach> it's connected to the purpose
[12:02] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, I will prod them about our Feature Freeze
[12:02] <mbreit> okay, then i should just send an email "please add my address.... etc"?
[12:03] <\sh> yes
[12:03] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, you use screem?
[12:03] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: nope, emacs :)
[12:03] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, do you know anyone that uses screem on Hoary?
[12:03] <\sh> ok...off to bed
[12:03] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: my flatmate is quite into design, and likes inkscape, which is why I would like to see 0.42.1 in
[12:03] <mbreit> " You must use a GPG key that is known to our archive scripts - if in doubt, mail keyring@ubuntu.com"
[12:03] <ajmitch> nope
[12:03] <mbreit> do i have to do that fist?
[12:04] <mbreit> ... first?
[12:04] <\sh> mbreit: no
[12:04] <dholbach> \sh: night stephan
[12:04] <mbreit> \sh: good night and thanks!
[12:04] <dholbach> mbreit: you have a gpg key already?
[12:04] <\sh> dholbach: u will end up like me...broken relationship, sleepless nights, terrible eyes...man..get some rest and sleep :)
[12:05] <dholbach> \sh: you should have seen me during hoary :)
[12:05] <mbreit> dholbach: yes... i always had one...
[12:05] <dholbach> \sh: i have a couple of relationships - that keeps young :-p
[12:05] <\sh> oh qcad just finished to build
[12:05] <ajmitch> dholbach: well we saw you after hoary ;)
[12:05] <dholbach> mbreit: super, just sign it and you're set
[12:05] <\sh> dholbach: a couple? wow...wanna share? ,-)
[12:05] <mbreit> okay
[12:05] <dholbach> \sh: hahahaha :)
[12:06] <\sh> anyway my girl is back....so I need to get my hands on her...but she has also a lot to do for the weltjugendtag