[12:00] <Hikaru79> whitefang, http://ubuntuforums.org of course! =D
[12:00] <Hikaru79> And if you meant which specific subforum, its the one called "Ubuntu Backports"
[12:01] <pestilence> mbirkis: i dunno, how about trying to use the card?
[12:01] <fizile> ok restarting my system
[12:01] <mknisely_> I have a wireless card that shows as unsupported in /var/log/syslog when plugged in.  I have compiled hostap drivers for it, but don't know how to get past the "unsupported" when I plug it in. (PCMCIA)  Can anyone help on this?
[12:01] <fizile> to see how this esound thing works out Hikaru79 ill be back in a few
[12:02] <jazzanova_> how do i install ubuntu 5.04 kernel sources ? i need to compile a module for a webcam.
[12:02] <kemik> !tell mknisely_ about ndiswrapper
[12:02] <mknisely_> Jazzanova:  Use synaptic and pick the sources for your installed kernel.
[12:02] <pestilence> jazzanova_: if all you are doing is compiling a module outside the kernel source, "apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`"
[12:03] <mknisely_> Kemik:  I don't want to use ndiswrapper.  I've compiled real Linux drivers for it... I just need to apply them.
[12:04] <flask-> can someone tell me how to get GNOME 2.10 to run gnome-ssh-askpass upon login, and then register that with the ssh agent?
[12:04] <Raf99> is there a way to force a resolution setting ?
[12:04] <reisio> Raf99: y'mean if it doesn't accept it? :p
[12:04] <puff> question:  on startup there's a very long pause (2-3 minutes) where it's trying to set up the network.  Any idea a) what might be causing it, b) where I'd look to diagnose it, c) how to fix it?
[12:04] <apokryphos> Raf99: yes. Make it the only one selected in xorg.conf
[12:04] <flask-> Raf: yes, in xorg.conf set DefaultDepth in your Screen section
[12:05] <Raf99> will check right now... thanks
[12:05] <kemik> mknisely_:  ah i c..
[12:05] <flask-> Raf: so for example your 24 depth can be defined for a certain resolution, then force it to that dept with DefaultDepth
[12:05] <mknisely_> puff:  Have seen that when it is looking for DHCP on a network that doesn't have a DHCP server.  Make sure only NICs that will be connected are set to come up on boot.
[12:05] <flask-> someone... gnome-ssh-askpass.. ?
[12:05] <puff> Similar question, on startup I noticed a (shorter) pause where it tried to query NTP, but couldn't get out on the network. Is there any way to get it to defer this at least until after startup is done?
[12:05] <apokryphos> flask-: are you sure that's not just for the *depth*, and not the resolution?
[12:06] <pestilence> puff: comment out this
[12:06] <pestilence> #mapping hotplug
[12:06] <pestilence> #   script grep
[12:06] <pestilence> #   map eth1
[12:06] <pestilence> in /etc/network/interfaces
[12:06] <flask-> apokryphos: if you use 'Virtual' you can force a certain depth to a certain resolution
[12:06] <fizile> Hikaru79, no change after setting up esound
[12:06] <Jay> ok, i have a problem here
[12:06] <Jay> when my pc goes to sleep
[12:06] <pestilence> puff: but, that will prevent automatic configuration of your network interfaces
[12:06] <puff> mknisely_: Hm, I have wired and wireless, depending on where I am where.
[12:06] <Hikaru79> fizile, did you try: alsamixer
[12:06] <Jay> it has this problem, local root time is wrong. then it doesnt wakeup
[12:06] <Hikaru79> To check volumes?
[12:06] <fizile> the volumes are up
[12:07] <puff> pestilence:  Does that imply that I'd have to manually enable them after logging in?
[12:07] <fizile> i use alsamixer in xmms and it plays just fine...
[12:07] <pestilence> puff: yup
[12:07] <apokryphos> flask-: use it how?
[12:07] <puff> pestilence: Hm...
[12:07] <Hikaru79> fizile, alsamixer is a volume-control program.
[12:07] <mknisely_> Puff:  Yeah, know how that is.  What I've done on my laptop is just not have any interface come up at boot, then I enable the interface I want after I'm done booting.
[12:07] <Hikaru79> Type: alsamixer
[12:07] <Jay> can anyone help me with this problem?
[12:07] <Sputn1k> When i trying to load win partition i get mount: unknown filesystem type 'ntfs', how can i install ntfs mode?
[12:07] <Hikaru79> In a terminal
[12:07] <Hikaru79> If its not found, sudo apt-get install alsamixer
[12:07] <Hikaru79> Then use it to adjust volumes and levels.
[12:07] <Raf99> flask- in xorg.conf the defaultdepth is already set to 24. Is that what i want ?
[12:07] <mebaran151> anyone acutally know what the breezy kernel is
[12:07] <mebaran151> 2.6.12.x?
[12:07] <puff> Ideally I'd like it to leave wireless off if it's docked and turn on otherwise.
[12:07] <mebaran151> I need the x
[12:08] <Hikaru79> Sound and audio is Ubuntu's weakest point by far, so don't be discouraged if you find this frustrating =/
[12:08] <puff> Or even better, if there's a connection on the jack, don't activate wireless.
[12:08] <pestilence> puff: sounds like "whereami" is right for you
[12:08] <flask-> Raf99: now check to see how that Depth is defined further down
[12:08] <reisio> Raf99: what's your monitor's make & model?
[12:08] <Raf99> samsung 950p - which is listed in the conf also.
[12:08] <pestilence> puff: there's a howto in the forums, search for whereami
[12:08] <mknisely_> I have an "unsupported" pcmcia wireless card that I have downloaded, compiled, installed drivers.  How do I get Ubuntu/Linux to know that driver is for this card?
[12:08] <puff> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-24994.html
[12:09] <flask-> Raf99: down where it says Subsection Display \Depth 25\ .... make it just say Modes "1024x768" or whatever res you want
[12:09] <Raf99> ( it gave me options for res yesterday, but not sure why.. ps - i'm using a kvm switch )
[12:09] <flask-> Raf99: good luck, i'm outtie
[12:09] <Raf99> :S  eek
[12:09] <puff> Is there any way/option to have it preserve my session when I log off?
[12:09] <fizile> Hikaru79, alright alsamixer is running in terminal, it shows my onboard nforce2 sound controller and the volumes are normal from what i can see
[12:09] <apokryphos> Raf99: just sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and where it asks what resolutions to use, only select the one you want
[12:09] <puff> Open web pages, browser windows, terminals, etc?
[12:10] <apokryphos> Raf99: or just delete the ones you don't want from xorg.conf
[12:10] <pestilence> puff: kde or gnome?  it's possible in both
[12:10] <fizile> is there a way to change device in terminal?
[12:10] <Raf99> i got it.... , looking at it now
[12:10] <Jay> cpufreq: resume failed to assert current frequency is waht timing core thisks it is... <<< after sleep. and it doesnt resume... help :(
[12:10] <puff> pestilence: Currently I'm on the default, metacity (gnome?)
[12:10] <t3rror> what is the easiest way to make a pptp connection from ubuntu to another linux machine running a pptp server?
[12:10] <pestilence> gnome, ok...when you logout isn't there a "save settings" box?
[12:10] <Raf99> there's more than one subsection display though.  depths are diff. but they all list several display resolutions
[12:11] <t3rror> is there a gtk program that allows for vpn connectinos>
[12:11] <Jay> can someone help??
[12:11] <puff> metacity/gnome seems a little laggy/jerky at times (this is a ridiculously powerful machine for a laptop, 2GB, 2.3Mhz Pentium M).
[12:11] <apokryphos> Raf99: yes, they're the ones for the different depths. Delete the resolutions you don't want
[12:11] <reisio> Raf99: this an LCD?
[12:11] <Raf99> no reisio.
[12:11] <apokryphos> Raf99: the dpkg-reconfigure might just be easier for you...
[12:11] <Jay> cpufreq: resume failed to assert current frequency is waht timing core thisks it is... <<< after sleep. and it doesnt resume... help me someone :(
[12:11] <puff> pestilence: ah-hah... somehow I missed that before.
[12:11] <Raf99> apokryphos - delete from all multiple listings ?
[12:11] <puff> pestilence: thanks.
[12:11] <apokryphos> Raf99: yes
[12:11] <pestilence> puff: perhaps you should check that dma is enabled on your hard drive
[12:12] <Raf99> k...
[12:12] <pestilence> puff: sudo hdparm /dev/hda
[12:12] <puff> How do I check on dma?
[12:12] <puff> Okay.
[12:12] <Jay> pestilence: cpufreq: resume failed to assert current frequency is waht timing core thisks it is... can you help me out?
[12:12] <puff> /dev/hda:  No such file or directory
[12:12] <pestilence> Jay: i think the two events are unrelated
[12:12] <pestilence> Jay: my laptop says that too, but resumes just fine
[12:13] <puff>  /dev/hda:  No such file or directory
[12:13] <Jay> my doesnt, anyway i can go to command or something
[12:13] <pestilence> puff: what is your hard drive :)
[12:13] <mknisely_> t3rror: Little like, isn't there a steet called 1st.  What's the VPN endpoint?
[12:13] <Raf99> guessin i need root to edit this file.. :S
[12:13] <pestilence> puff: maybe /dev/sda
[12:13] <apokryphos> Raf99: of course
[12:13] <flugh> any easy way to dump all my thunderbird mail into an imap server? is 'formail' something like that?
[12:13] <pestilence> puff: type "df" to find out
[12:13] <t3rror> the vpn endpoint is my router on a static ip dsl connectino
[12:13] <Sputn1k> When i trying to load win partition i get mount: unknown filesystem type 'ntfs', how can i install ntfs module? Help me please... :/
[12:14] <Jay> pestilence": but then it says this i have ppc
[12:14] <flugh> Sputn1k, that's addressed at http://ubuntuguide.org near the top. check it out
[12:14] <puff> Yeah, /dev and /dev/sda3.
[12:14] <t3rror> i can ssh into the router from here, but i am just trying to get a vpn client running on ubuntu from work so i can control my machines at home
[12:14] <flugh> Sputn1k, good links and all. even i got it right the first time with that :)
[12:14] <pestilence> puff: then hdparm /dev/sda
[12:14] <pestilence> (sudo)
[12:14] <fizile> Hikaru79, the volume control isnt really the problem, more of rhythmbox recognizing my soundcard as the output instead of my onboard sound
[12:14] <Raf99> wierd... I logged out (went to login screen), then ctrl+alt+backspace..., which brough back a login screen, but now its 1280x1024.  I didn't change anything :S
[12:15] <puff> Basically, other than the original winxp install (which I preserved for now because there's some funky hardware on this machine that I'm not sure I can enable under linux), it's a vanilla ubuntu install.
[12:15] <Hikaru79> fizile, do you have XMMS installed?
[12:15] <Hikaru79> If so, open it
[12:15] <Hikaru79> Go to Preferences
[12:15] <fizile> alright
[12:15] <Hikaru79> Go to Plugins
[12:15] <Hikaru79> Go to "Output Plugins"
[12:15] <Hikaru79> And make sure it is set to ALSA
[12:15] <Hikaru79> Then restart it and check to see if sound works that way.
[12:15] <Raf99> am I missing something?  cuz this just fixed itself...
[12:15] <Sputn1k> flugh: but in ubntuguide.org nothing about my problem
[12:15] <fizile> yes, xmms does work this way through my soundcard
[12:15] <puff> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/938
[12:15] <mknisely_> I still need help with my "unsupported" PCMCIA Wireless card.  Can someone help assoicate an already compiled driver?
[12:15] <puff> What am I looking for here?
[12:15] <Hikaru79> xmms DOES? Then its not a sound problem its a rythmbox problem :(
[12:16] <Hikaru79> I've never used it, I always preffered beep.
[12:16] <Hikaru79> So, perhaps someone here is rythmbox pro :)
[12:16] <reisio> beep :)
[12:16] <fizile> ill look into beep ;`(
[12:16] <fizile> anything that can manage albumns and make it easier to use than xmms
[12:16] <Sputn1k> flugh: are u hear me?
[12:16] <benkong2> is this a problem or normal output? Aug  3 18:14:20 localhost dhcpd: Multiple interfaces match the same subnet: eth0 eth1
[12:16] <flugh> hmm, maybe it wasn't ubuntuguide. does ubuntu do ntfs out of the box?
[12:16] <fizile> since thats just a playlist with controls
[12:16] <ntumba> good evening all :) I'm looking for someone to help me with my new instalation
[12:16] <apokryphos> Raf99: you didn't do the dpkg-reconfigure at all?
[12:17] <Raf99> apokryphos - no.  just did what i wrote above..
[12:17] <apokryphos> Raf99: and didn't apply any xorg.conf changes?
[12:17] <Sputn1k> flugh: my 2.6.10 have ntfs module, but 2.6.12- no
[12:17] <Raf99> did not make any changes.
[12:17] <ntumba> I created partitions with the ubuntu install cd. I have now ubuntu installed, but i can't find my other drives anywhere. can anybody help?
[12:17] <pestilence> puff: hdparm -d /dev/sda
[12:17] <Raf99> ctrl+alt+backspace should of taken me to terminal i thought, but instead went back to login screen w/ proper res.
[12:18] <Raf99> *shrugs*... thanx for the help thou.
[12:18] <Bubbling_Zombie> lol @ funny-manpages :')
[12:19] <oni> ctrl+alt+bsp takes you to the login screen always you have gnome running
[12:19] <t3rror> does anyone here have a vpn client running well?
[12:19] <flugh> Sputn1k, sorry, don't know an easy way then. unless you download kernel source, rebuild the source tree using your 2.6.12 .config file, then rebuild the modules, use that new module
[12:19] <PaveK> nophix -> now DMA works with amd module ^_^
[12:19] <t3rror> i just need some help finding one and setting it up
[12:19] <flugh> i'd just stick with 2.6.10 myself
[12:19] <Seveas> Bubbling_Zombie, asr-manpages is nice too
[12:19] <Seveas> man chainsaw
[12:19] <Seveas> :)
[12:20] <mknisely_> t3rror:  Using Cisco's VPN client (text based) to connect with PIX and VPN concentrators.
[12:20] <pusling> hmm.. what is the name of the itunes-lookalike in gnome ?
[12:20] <nophix> PaveK: aah, good for you! :)
[12:21] <Bubbling_Zombie> Seveas i saw :)
[12:21] <t3rror> it isn't a cisco
[12:21] <Bubbling_Zombie> Seveas : man rtfm :')
[12:21] <t3rror>  it is a wrt54g router running a hacked firmware with pptp support
[12:21] <t3rror> linksys router
[12:21] <Simpleton> Anyone when breezy badgers suppose to hit?
[12:21] <Seveas> Bubbling_Zombie, I know them all ;)
[12:22] <Simpleton> *know
[12:22] <Bubbling_Zombie> _o_ i bow for you are mighty (or something along those lines :p )
[12:22] <pusling> Simpleton: 05.10
[12:23] <mknisely_> Hmmm.... Got one of them, but never got around to hacking it.
[12:24] <mknisely_> t3rror, anyone list what they are using.  I've heard of freeswan, but not tired it.
[12:24] <Simpleton> is that october 10 or may 5th
[12:25] <Simpleton> mknisely_ are you talking about the WRT54G
[12:25] <Simpleton> ?
[12:25] <pusling> Simpleton: october
[12:25] <MartenH> I've got my wecam working, but have some issues. In xawtv it works fine, in gqcam it is b/w and repeated three times along with a wide gray strip and GnomeMeeeting finds the device but gives me an error when trying to open it
[12:25] <mknisely_> Simpelton: t3rror is looking for help with VPNing into his hacked WRT54G.
[12:26] <mknisely_> t3rror:  Looks like freeswan is IPSEC.... Sorry.
[12:26] <Simpleton> VPNing? like what do you mean exactly?
[12:26] <Simpleton> Virtual private network between his comp and the router?
[12:26] <ed_> hello.
[12:26] <mknisely_> Simpleton:  Yes.
[12:26] <robtaylor_> is anyone else seeing firefox fonts not obeying the gnome dpi setting, despite firefox-gnome-support being installed?
[12:27] <ed_> was wondering if anyone knows why my xxms window is so big and how to reduce its size.
[12:27] <ed_> it seems like its on a different resolution compared to the rest of the desktop
[12:27] <fizile> so beep is just like xmms...
[12:28] <ed_> is there a xxms configuration file ?
[12:28] <mknisely_> ed_ : Hit Ctrl-D with it open.
[12:28] <robtaylor_> ed_: mm. sounds a similar problem to mine
[12:28] <mknisely_> ed_:  The Double size option is on.
[12:28] <ed_> mknisely: thank you so very much
[12:28] <avadash> what is an apt get for kde for ubuntu?
[12:28] <puff> pestilence:  http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/939
[12:28] <mknisely_> ed_:  No prob.... had that same issue too.
[12:29] <mebaran151> I have an alsa problem
[12:29] <ed_> mknisely: yeah i didn't mind it but i got a small screen. and it was taking up most of my desktop
[12:29] <oni> can anybody help me finding w32codecs for PPC?
[12:29] <robtaylor_> avadash: apt-get install kubuntu
[12:29] <levander> I want to make an iso with mkisofs.  But, I don't want the contents of the directories I specify in the iso, I want the directories I specify themselves in the iso.  This is possible?
[12:29] <avadash> and for amorok or xmms
[12:29] <ed_> and i am out.
[12:29] <mknisely_> Still looking for help with my "unsupported" (per syslog) PCMCIA wireless card.
[12:29] <ed_> peace.
[12:29] <mebaran151> crimsun, i dont knwo how to make /proc/asound idneitfy my snd card
[12:29] <mebaran151> it only identifies the timer
[12:29] <robtaylor_> oni: w32codes are x86 only, they're codes ripped straight out of windows, hence the name
[12:29] <pestilence> puff: strange, try hdparm -I /dev/sda
[12:30] <crimsun> mebaran151: which card?
[12:30] <robtaylor_> avadash: "apt-cache search" is your friend ;)
[12:30] <mebaran151> snd-ice1724
[12:30] <mebaran151> onboard sound for my shuttle mainboard
[12:30] <mebaran151> lspci:05:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: IC Ensemble Inc ICE1724 [Envy24HT]  (rev 01)
[12:30] <oni> can I make them work on PPC?
[12:30] <crimsun> mebaran151: if it's not appearing in /proc/asound/cards, then you need to check with upstream if you're already using the latest driver (1.0.9b). Try cvs, for instance.
[12:31] <Kyral> BOO!
[12:31] <mebaran151> ah
[12:31] <oni> i found a w32codecs.orig.tar.gz... would it work?
[12:31] <mebaran151> I am using
[12:31] <mebaran151> 1.09rc4
[12:32] <puff> pestilence: Well *that* certainly got me a lot more output, one sec while I paste it.
[12:32] <mknisely_> I have a Sonicwall wireless card (Seneo rebranded) that lists as "unsupported" in syslog.  I've tracked down and complied the drivers.  Now I just need to know how I get linux to use them once I plug the stupid thing in.
[12:32] <mebaran151> crimsun cvs
[12:32] <mebaran151> hmmm
[12:32] <mebaran151> crimsun, it works in the latest breezy
[12:32] <mebaran151> but I went back to Hoary
[12:32] <mebaran151> what version of Alsa is in breezy?
[12:33] <puff> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/940
[12:34] <pestilence> puff: looks like it's using dma
[12:35] <crimsun> mebaran151: 1.0.9b
[12:35] <puff> pestilence: What's that mean?
[12:35] <mebaran151> hmmm
[12:35] <mebaran151> any patches?
[12:36] <pestilence> puff: means you shouldn't change anything there.
[12:36] <puff> pestilence: ooooookay.
[12:36] <crimsun> mebaran151: nothing significant
[12:36] <mebaran151> hmmm, interesting
[12:36] <mebaran151> must be a kernel thing
[12:36] <puff> pestilence: I'm trying to learn a bit here, so I (eventually) ask fewer stupid questions :-).
[12:36] <pestilence> puff: you might look into the driver for your video card
[12:37] <pestilence> puff: perhaps you are not using the right one
[12:37] <mknisely_> t3rror:  Have you tried the PPTP Cleint in Webmin?
[12:37] <sun_> hi anyone using ion3, when i hit alt-t to tag he fram nothing happens?
[12:37] <puff> pestilence: good question.   Lemme ask over in #ibmthinkpad.
[12:37] <pestilence> puff: dma = direct memory access, it allows the hard drive and memory to interact without huge cpu overhead
[12:37] <purple> hi! how can i log into ubuntu if i have forgotten my user name and password? i dont use it much and i forgot it :/
[12:38] <mknisely_> purple: toss yourself into single user mode and you've got root.
[12:38] <pestilence> purple: boot into recovery mode, type "passwd <yourusernamehere>"
[12:38] <puff> Graphics Controller: ATI MOBILITY FIRE GL V3200 - 128 MB
[12:38] <purple> thanks
[12:39] <puff> pestilence: ah, gotcha (re: DMA).  Every time I blink, pc hardware is all different.
[12:43] <Simpleton> So I hear Breezy Badger is broken?
[12:43] <Simpleton> When is that going to be fixed?
[12:43] <cafuego> Simpleton: /topic
[12:44] <Simpleton> i saw it in the topic
[12:44] <Simpleton> thats why i mentioned it
[12:44] <cafuego> Simpleton: When the bugs are removed, it's going to be fixed.
[12:44] <Simpleton> thanks
[12:44] <Simpleton> any useful answers?
[12:44] <cafuego> That will probably be in between now and the end of october.
[12:44] <cafuego> Simpleton: Not if you don't have useful questions ;-)
[12:44] <holycow> or offer usefull help
[12:44] <puff> Breezy Badget? I've been meaning to ask, what's the story with the names....?
[12:44] <Simpleton> Well
[12:45] <Simpleton> Rumour has it mark is a nature fan
[12:45] <holycow> puff, its called creativity
[12:45] <cafuego> Simpleton: Only the people doing the packaging will know if and when they will fix the bugs.
[12:45] <Simpleton> When it's time to come up with a new name he wanders off into the bushes
[12:45] <puff> holycow:  Creativity?  Is that legal?
[12:45] <holycow> puff, not in the united states
[12:45] <puff> Oh, good.
[12:45] <holycow> in the u.s. its patented
[12:50] <deprave_> ubuntu must have an HIV epidemic!
[12:50] <Slipaway172> lol
[12:50] <Slipaway172> ewwww it smells
[12:50] <Slipaway172> get it away
[12:51] <deprave_> !tell deprave about java
[12:51] <Slipaway172> what about it
[12:51] <apokryphos> cafuego: Hey. Is there a way to make ubotu show which architectures a given package is packaged for?
[12:51] <Belutz> !java
[12:51] <ubotu> well, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[12:51] <cafuego> apokryphos: Not at the moment; it only knows about i386
[12:52] <cafuego> apokryphos: .. baically, it has access to the i386 Packages.gz files and the information in those, nothing else.
[12:52] <apokryphos> ok
[12:52] <Slipaway172> does anybody know when ubuntu will move to the 64bit architecture?
[12:52] <cafuego> Simpleton: Ubuntu amd64 works fine, has for ages.
[12:52] <cafuego> Slipaway172 even
[12:52] <Slipaway172> odd
[12:53] <apokryphos> cafuego: does he not search backports?
[12:53] <cafuego> apokryphos: hoary-backports, yes.
[12:53] <cafuego> also security
[12:53] <Slipaway172> what i mean, to the point where i586 will no longer be supported
[12:54] <seife`> Hi
[12:54] <seife> how do ppl install vidcard\soundcard drivers in linux?
[12:54] <cafuego> Slipaway172: When companies stop producing it, people stop buying it, people stop using it and it becomes vcompletely obsolete. 2038.
[12:54] <seife> specifly ubuntu
[12:54] <Slipaway172> ok
[12:55] <Slipaway172> cuz im CHEAP
[12:55] <cafuego> Slipaway172: basic Athlon64's here are cheaper then midrange AthlonXPs now.
[12:55] <Slipaway172> seife, what video card do u have?
[12:55] <adamh> When I start muine from the console, on Breezy, I get "Could not open /dev/inotify". Indeed, /dev/inotify doesn't exist. I want it, how do I get it? :)
[12:55] <Gatton> Do any terms support true transparency? In the sense that behind the window you see other windows instead of the root background image?
[12:55] <Slipaway172> i have me a duron 1.6 and runs lightning fast
[12:56] <apokryphos> Gatton: yes, with X composite extensions
[12:56] <seife> ATi 7500
[12:56] <fizile> the 7500 does the job well ill say
[12:56] <Slipaway172> i would like to have that
[12:56] <holysmokes> what arguments are needed at the cd's boot prompt to boot from my hd?
[12:56] <Gatton> apokryphos, hmmm I started to look into that a while back. Will do so again. Thanks
[12:56] <seife> lol this vidcard sucks.
[12:56] <apokryphos> cafuego: is Ubuntu good for packaging amd64 stuff?
[12:56] <fizile> pfft you just gotta be gentle
[12:56] <adamh> holysmokes: linux root=/dev/hda1 (or whatever partition) should do it :)
[12:56] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell Gatton about composite
[12:57] <Slipaway172> not as bad as my card, i have a integrated NV 3300 i think
[12:57] <seife> i want a x700xt one
[12:57] <selinium_> ANyone know of a portable jukebox that plays FLAC files?
[12:57] <seife> lol
[12:57] <holysmokes> adamh: that's it? i thought you had to specify initrd or something like that these days?
[12:57] <Slipaway172> i just want a card that wont lag while webbrowsing ir watching a movie
[12:57] <cafuego> apokryphos: I don't see why it wouldn't be. The packages are the same as on i386; it's just that some stuff hasn't been ported, and you can just run the i386 verions of those packages.
[12:58] <cafuego> Slipaway172: You need a fast cpu and i/o system then, the card is a minor issue.
[12:58] <Slipaway172> but i have no problems with it now
[12:58] <Slipaway172> runs fast and no lagg
[12:59] <Slipaway172> once i installed the drivers
[12:59] <Slipaway172> and once i enabled DMA on my dvd player to watch movies
[12:59] <cafuego> Slipaway172: The latter would have been the clicher.
[01:00] <cafuego> Slipaway172: without dma it would eat way too many cpu cycles.
[01:00] <Slipaway172> latter?
[01:00] <Slipaway172> oh
[01:00] <Slipaway172> i never had such a problem in mandrake 10.0
[01:01] <Slipaway172> but ubuntu runs faster, is more stabler and just looks better than mandrake
[01:01] <cafuego> and that's undoubtedly what mandrake did
[01:01] <Coss> there is no .exe install?
[01:01] <Slipaway172> ohhhhhhh, i didnt know that
[01:01] <Slipaway172> no
[01:01] <Slipaway172> linux dosent use .exe
[01:01] <Slipaway172> uses deb
[01:02] <cafuego> Coss: On top of that, you need non-windows space on the harddisk.
[01:02] <seife> can anyone tell me the difference between a prog in linux and  a prog in windows?
[01:02] <Kyral> None
[01:02] <Kyral> codewise
[01:02] <Kyral> none
[01:02] <seife> different language? u cant program in c++ or java?
[01:03] <Kyral> You can use anything
[01:03] <apokryphos> Course you can.
[01:03] <Slipaway172> i find linux programs to be more stabler
[01:03] <fizile> minus the r
[01:03] <Bently> does anyone have experience trouble shooting printers ?
[01:03] <Slipaway172> its getting late for me, so shhhhhhhh
[01:03] <Coss> cafuego, i have that
[01:03] <Kyral> You guys wanna hear something funny yet pathetic
[01:03] <cafuego> seife: The main difference would be the names for function calls.
[01:04] <Bently> i got a hp psc 1610 all in one printer and its setup correctly and prints however whats printed isn't correctly aligned on the paper
[01:04] <Coss> cafuego, just that i dont have a cdburner availeble right now : x
[01:04] <Kyral> "Is Linux like AOL?" - My Cousin
[01:04] <cafuego> Coss: Out of luck then.
[01:04] <fizile> that saddens me
[01:04] <Bently> is there a configuration file for printers ?
[01:04] <cafuego> Kyral: "Yes, now finish your rat pison before mom gets home."
[01:05] <Slipaway172> *lightning
[01:05] <Coss> cafuego, fookt
[01:05] <Kyral> I SCREAMED in pain when she said that
[01:05] <cafuego> Bently: http://localhost:631/
[01:06] <Gatton> Time to test compositing
[01:06] <spanglesontoast> what's 3dwm?
[01:06] <cafuego> spanglesontoast: eyecandy
[01:06] <spanglesontoast> ah ok
[01:07] <cafuego> !info 3dwm
[01:07] <Boffa> What is the best/easiest way to burn an DVD-iso file in Ubuntu (or in Linux) ? I raise the question since I did not get the rightclick and "Write to disc..." work (it ended up with a 17% full disc only with garbage) and I tried with Gnomebaker and it does not even recognize the DVD +-RW unit.
[01:07] <cafuego> stupid bot
[01:07] <Slipaway172> later, got to go work on that motor again
[01:08] <frank_> Boffa: I use k3b
[01:08] <frank_b> hi all
[01:08] <Boffa> frank: is there an easy installation guide for that since I am using Gnome and K3B is for KDE if I not mistaken.
[01:09] <apokryphos> Boffa: all KDE programs can be run on gnome
[01:09] <robinparker> im back
[01:09] <Boffa> apokryphos: I will test and return.
[01:09] <frank_b> Boffa: I've just "pluged in"... installation guide for what?
[01:10] <frank_b> (and I don't know much about linux yet...)
[01:10] <Boffa> Frank: k3b installation guide for Ubuntu?
[01:10] <apokryphos> Boffa: sudo apt-get install k3b
[01:11] <Boffa> easy as pie
[01:13] <frank_b> well... I've used the "howto's" at ubuntuguide.org and it's a good guide... don't know if k3b is listed... but I think it's very easy to install... don't see how can it be difficult... go to synaptic and choose to install it's package, I guess...
[01:13] <apokryphos> Ubuntuguide.org is bad
[01:13] <apokryphos> !ubuntuguide
[01:13] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[01:13] <frank_b> at least, it's very easy to use... I've use it before...
[01:13] <frank_b> apokryptos: well... it's the best I know about...
[01:14] <apokryphos> frank_b: the wiki is better for many things. There's the kudos guide, too.
[01:14] <Boffa> ok, apt-get worked but where is the application to be found. Usually an little stupid comes up in my menus.
[01:14] <frank_b> ok... didn't see the automessage... I'll check it then, thanks
[01:15] <apokryphos> Boffa: It should be there, though I don't really know how gnome works. You can always just alt+f2 -> k3b, though
[01:15] <voradams> hi there
[01:15] <frank_b> Boffa: maybe refreshing the gnome pannel will make it appear... it worked with some programs I installed...
[01:15] <frank_b> just a minute...
[01:16] <skalpel> can someone tell me what the following error means when trying to burn a cd in gnomebaker? cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc gracetime=2 speed=4 -v -eject driveropts=burnfree -multi /tmp/GnomeBaker/jon/gnomebaker_create_data_cd.iso (null)
[01:16] <skalpel> ** Message: MessageDialog message [Please insert the CD into the CD writer] 
[01:16] <Douglas> So let's say I upgraded to weezy and it broke everything, how do I downgrade my system if all I have is command line and internet?
[01:16] <cafuego> Douglas: Wipe, reinstall.
[01:16] <cafuego> Douglas: And consider that a lesson.
[01:16] <Douglas> really?
[01:17] <HrdwrBoB> Douglas: so, you missed all of the messages everywhere that said do not install
[01:17] <Douglas> yea, I guess
[01:17] <sorush20> what is so special about breezy..
[01:17] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: No, those are always meant for OTHER people.
[01:17] <Douglas> I'm sad now.
[01:17] <frank_b> Boffa: try writing "killall gnome-panel" in a terminal
[01:17] <frank_b> (and check again)
[01:17] <voradams> stupid question time. I had the system hand while installing capture-ntfs. Now my screen resolution is only 640x480. What is the Ubuntu program that chanhes screen resolutions and do i need change my driver in this situation?
[01:18] <Boffa> Here we go. Testing burning with K3B.
[01:18] <floppyears> hi
[01:18] <frank_b> and maybe also "killall nautilus" to refresh the desktop
[01:18] <floppyears> can somebody suggest me a good popular bittorrent client ?
[01:19] <Boffa> I needed alson cdrado... or something.
[01:19] <Boffa> but that was easy
[01:19] <shido6> how do you mount a darwin hfs partition under ubuntu
[01:19] <shido6> ?
[01:19] <apokryphos> floppyears: azureus
[01:19] <cafuego> sorush20: Not much. Then again, it's g0t a h1gh3r vers10n number, so 1t's g0tta be b3tt3r lololz!
[01:19] <voradams> floppyears - azureus, you will need to install java though
[01:19] <floppyears> apokryphos: yes, I liked azureus. Do you know of another one that doesn't use as many system resources
[01:20] <frank_b> now it's my turn... :)
[01:20] <voradams> abc uses python
[01:20] <apokryphos> floppyears: the default gnome one, bittornado, and ktorrent
[01:20] <floppyears> apokryphos: thanks
[01:20] <floppyears> voradams: I used to use that one, but java hugs so many resources :(
[01:20] <frank_b> hey, my aMule doesn't load the server list and doesn't explain why ("Failed to download the server list from http://www.srv1000.com/azz/server.met")... anyone knows anything about this?
[01:21] <frank_b> (yes, I'm connected to the internet)
[01:21] <cafuego> frank_b: wget fetches it just fine.
[01:22] <frank_b> cafuego: what do I have to do, then?
[01:22] <cafuego> frank_b: Just grab it by ahdn and plonk it in ~./amule/ or whereever it wants it,
[01:22] <Boffa> frank: lowid mode? I do not remember. It was so long ago I used eMule
[01:22] <cafuego> s/ahdn/hand/
[01:23] <frank_b> I'm sorry... I'm new to linux and I don't know what are you talking about... "grab it by ahdn"? "plonk it"? "lowid mode"? :\
[01:25] <frank_b> hi frank whithout a "b"!
[01:25] <_frank> hi frank with a b
[01:25] <frank_b> :) eheh
[01:25] <huttan> Hi, is there anyway to force my wireless networkcard to lock on to a specific wireless network at bootup and not try to scan and connect to the one with the best signal?
[01:26] <KamiVIP_> hi
[01:26] <_frank> huttan: you can set it in /etc/network/interfaces
[01:26] <cafuego> huttan: Yes, edit /etc/network/interfaces
[01:26] <huttan> _frank, I did...still it tries
[01:26] <KamiVIP_> gimp: /usr/local/lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3.4' not found (required by gimp) what can i do? glib_2.3.4 it's not in packages list
[01:26] <KamiVIP_> wel actually it is but newer version
[01:26] <sorush20> did you know.. that ubuntu hasn't crashed for a week...
[01:27] <cafuego> KamiVIP_: How did you manage to break that??
[01:27] <cafuego> KamiVIP_: Did you compile your own libc6?
[01:27] <huttan> _frank, is there any other way?
[01:27] <cafuego> KamiVIP_: Where did you get that copy of gimp?
[01:27] <KamiVIP_> nop i hjave glib but new version thats old gimp im using but it needs old glib
[01:28] <KamiVIP_> acutally it is gimpshop
[01:28] <KamiVIP_> so it's interface looks like photoshop
[01:28] <cafuego> KamiVIP_: it's been compiled badly.
[01:28] <jkinz> Hi all, just installed U-5.04.  Can't find smbmount command even though other samba commands are installed.  Do I need to apt-get something specific to get smbmount?
[01:28] <KamiVIP_> hmm
[01:28] <cafuego> jkinz: 'smbfs'
[01:28] <spanglesontoast> checking for python extension module directory... ${exec_prefix}/lib/python2.4/site-packages
[01:28] <spanglesontoast> what does that mean?
[01:28] <frank_b> I guess I'll check the forums, then...
[01:29] <cafuego> KamiVIP_: it shouldn't be trying to access libc6.so in /usr/local/lib
[01:29] <jkinz> cafuego: thanks.
[01:29] <KamiVIP_> oh
[01:29] <KamiVIP_> /usr/lib?
[01:29] <cafuego> KamiVIP_: And certainly not version 2.3.4, Ubuntu uses 2.3.2.
[01:29] <_SWAT_> jkinz, after getting samba you just need to edit the /etc/samba/smb.conf file to share your files using Samba. If you have linux clients you can use NFS :D
[01:29] <KamiVIP_> hehe
[01:30] <KamiVIP_> k gonna fix it then thanks
[01:30] <david__> hey, does anyone know who to paint alpha in gimp?
[01:30] <cafuego> Don't attempt to inastall a manual libc6 OR a newer Ubuntu.
[01:31] <_SWAT_> cafuego, you're right. Just apt-get the stuff, it's much easier and it works instantly :D
[01:31] <spanglesontoast> checking for python extension module directory... ${exec_prefix}/lib/python2.4/site-packages
[01:31] <spanglesontoast> ?
[01:31] <cafuego> _SWAT_: There's nothing to apt-get to make an app work with libc6 2.3.4 in /usr/local
[01:32] <_SWAT_> I know
[01:33] <_SWAT_> brb
[01:34] <Belutz> how do i start enlightenment?
[01:34] <cyphase> does anyone know why your list of DNS servers is cleared when there isn't any space on the hard drive?
[01:35] <spanglesontoast> do I have to compile adesklets or can they be run out of the box?
[01:35] <_SWAT_> Belutz, can't you select it at the login screen? (under Session?)
[01:35] <Belutz> _SWAT_: nope
[01:35] <_SWAT_> spanglesontoast, do you mean gdesklets?
[01:35] <_SWAT_> Belutz, did you apt-get it?
[01:35] <spanglesontoast> no adesklets
[01:36] <spanglesontoast> it's python based
[01:36] <_SWAT_> don't know them (apt-get doesn't know them either)
[01:36] <spanglesontoast> swat not everything is on apt
[01:36] <_SWAT_> but if there isn't a .deb package or something I guess you have to compile it from source
[01:36] <spanglesontoast> is there anything in gdesklets
[01:36] <samu> does ubuntu work well with wifi adapters?
[01:36] <spanglesontoast> that functions like apples bar?
[01:37] <holysmokes> what's the simplest way to get grub re-installed? it seems to have become corrupted somehow
[01:37] <Belutz> _SWAT_: yup i've already apt-get it
[01:39] <_SWAT_> samu, it works as fine as you want to work with it. A lot of it depends on the specific hardware drivers and the version of the kernel etc.
[01:39] <_SWAT_> Belutz, maybe something for you? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20216&highlight=enlightenment+start
[01:39] <icewt> holysmokes, man grub-install
[01:39] <Belutz> _SWAT_: ok, thx :)
[01:40] <fredforfaen> hey peeps
[01:40] <holysmokes> icewt: well, to be more specific i need to get it booted somehow.. after that installing grub should be trivial
[01:40] <_SWAT_> Belutz, by the way. Make sure you read the entire page (including the comments of other users) to know what you could be expecting
[01:41] <icewt> holycow, well, i guess you should use some livecd then
[01:42] <icewt> err. i mean holysmokes
[01:42] <david__> hey, does anyone know hwo to add an alpha channel in GIMP?
[01:42] <_SWAT_> ROFL quote: "Be careful of reading health books, you might die of a misprint. -- Mark Twain"
[01:43] <magdeburger> lol
[01:44] <ripkun> !list
[01:44] <ubotu> methinks list is at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuFactoids
[01:45] <apokryphos> ubotu: no list is at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[01:45] <ubotu> okay, apokryphos
[01:46] <_SWAT_> One for the quotes lists: "WINDOWS stands for Will Install Needless Data On Whole System."  :-D
[01:46] <icewt> holysmokes, and mount the root partition with it, check if there's something wrong in /boot/grub/menu.lst , and after that run  grub-install --root-directory=the_directory_you_mounted_the_partition_to /dev/hda
[01:46] <KamiVIP_> somebody managed to install and use wine?
[01:46] <_SWAT_> KamiVIP_, yes
[01:46] <KamiVIP_> i mean cedega*
[01:46] <KamiVIP_> my bad
[01:46] <_SWAT_> KamiVIP_, also yes (I have an account there)
[01:46] <KamiVIP_> oh
[01:47] <KamiVIP_> i have many problems with it
[01:47] <KamiVIP_> you compiled it from sources?
[01:47] <_SWAT_> Let me guess, you're using the 'free' version? (No I just downloaded the .deb, since I'm paying for it)
[01:47] <KamiVIP_> oh
[01:47] <KamiVIP_> yep free version
[01:47] <_SWAT_> KamiVIP_, I'd recon you go to #cedega, those guys will know what to do :D
[01:47] <KamiVIP_> hehe
[01:48] <Raf99> When i boot up and get to login screen, its in 640X480.  If I do not login, but instead hit ctrl+alt+bsp, it goes to a black screen and back to the login screen but this time at 1280X1024 (which is what I want). If I just login, it stays at 640.  Is there a reason for this ?
[01:48] <KamiVIP_> so whats the difference with paid version?
[01:48] <_SWAT_> KamiVIP_, the paid version also has a nice GUI and some more/better code or something
[01:49] <_SWAT_> KamiVIP_, check out http://www.transgaming.com/products_linux.php
[01:49] <KamiVIP_> thanks
[01:49] <MikeW> Does Warty include mysql and apache on the install cd
[01:50] <Gnurdux> where would one get yhe latest bzflag on ubuntu
[01:50] <fluvvell> is there an easy way to change my computers name in ubuntu, I cant find it in documentation
[01:50] <seife`> yo
[01:51] <socomm> MikeW: No.
[01:51] <seife`> can anyone tell me whats the difference between lives cds and install cds?
[01:51] <seife`> wich i have to download
[01:51] <Gnurdux> install
[01:51] <seife`> what things i have to download to run ubuntu
[01:51] <KamiVIP_> install cd
[01:51] <_SWAT_> install cd
[01:51] <Gnurdux> live is just a cd to show what linux is like
[01:51] <_SWAT_> live cd is something like Knoppix etc. You just run it from the CD (boot from CD). You don't install anything
[01:52] <Gnurdux> fluvvell, it did
[01:52] <fluvvell> thanks Gnurdux
[01:52] <Gnurdux> maybe in syetnm tools in menu
[01:52] <Gnurdux> is there a network config?
[01:53] <Gnurdux> i use debian
[01:53] <Gnurdux> i need bzflag for a friend
[01:53] <fluvvell> I'll look again
[01:53] <_SWAT_> fluvvell, did you try searching ubuntuforums.org?
[01:53] <Gnurdux> debian testing has the latest one
[01:53] <windex> erm, i think on debian and ubuntu you can simply get away with editing /etc/hostname and rebooting. but i'm not positive, so don't hold me to that. :)
[01:53] <Gnurdux> on debian
[01:53] <Gnurdux> its in menu
[01:53] <Gnurdux> system tools
[01:53] <Gnurdux> network tools
[01:53] <Gnurdux> check that out
[01:53] <Gnurdux> ubuntu is based on debian remember
[01:53] <windex> applications -> system tools -> network tools
[01:54] <whitefang> is an amd barton cpu the same as k7? ie, can i use the k7 kernel with it?
[01:54] <windex> however network tools dosen't appear to have anything for changing the name of the machine.
[01:54] <fluvvell> not ubuntuforums, no, will do that now
[01:54] <andy_> whitefang, yes
[01:54] <windex> so i'm going to re-visit my 'edit /etc/hostname' idea. :)
[01:55] <_SWAT_> Does anyone know how I can change the Gnome loader? (the thing you get after your login screen)
[01:55] <socomm> _SWAT_: Yes.
[01:55] <_SWAT_> socomm, please tell me :-)
[01:55] <socomm> Use gconf-editor, there's a find feature in it.
[01:55] <socomm> You should have no problems finding it.
[01:56] <_SWAT_> thnx, I'll take a crack at it :D (that's the only thing I couldn't really find)
[01:56] <spanglesontoast> where can I grab statgrab
[01:57] <socomm> Grab it in the knickers.
[01:57] <socomm> Harharhar.
[01:57] <socomm> spanglesontoast: Use synaptic, if not there you'll have to find a repo that provides it or compile by hand.
[01:57] <Razor-X> or get an individual .deb
[01:58] <spanglesontoast> hmm
[01:58] <Razor-X> (if that .deb works with Ubuntu, of course)
[01:58] <popey> its in deb unstable
[01:58] <Razor-X> i'm starting to like MPlayer
[01:58] <spanglesontoast> ah
[01:58] <Razor-X> are the codecs compiled into MPlayer?
[01:58] <popey> no
[01:58] <popey> libs
[01:58] <Razor-X> ah, that sucks
[01:58] <popey> shared by other apps too
[01:58] <socomm> Razor-X: Some, I think.
[01:58] <gregg_> Razor-X: some are
[01:58] <Razor-X> I know libavcodec is compiled in
[01:58] <popey> so totem/xine can use them
[01:59] <socomm> There's an otpion for an internal faad codec, or something.
[01:59] <Razor-X> VLC is much better in that respect ;)
[01:59] <gregg_> Razor-X: like libavcodec, which should be enough for 90% of the files out there :)
[01:59] <socomm> s/otpion/option/
[01:59] <Razor-X> gregg_: when compiling, I got the ``all'' codecs package ;)
[01:59] <gregg_> you mean, the win32 codecs?
[01:59] <_SWAT_> socomm, still can't seem to find it. I mean the login screen and theme were easily found and edited. Yet this last thing I can't find. Does it even have a proper name?
[01:59] <Razor-X> gregg_: no, from the MPlayer site
[02:00] <gregg_> ah ok
[02:00] <spanglesontoast> nope the .deb doesn't work
[02:00] <socomm> _SWAT_: Search for `splash'.
[02:00] <_SWAT_> thnx ;)
[02:00] <gregg_> Razor-X: it's easier to use the win32-codecs package from marillat. IMHO :)
[02:00] <Razor-X> gregg_: I wanted to compile mine ;)
[02:00] <Razor-X> plus, win32-codecs (I don't think) has every codec
[02:00] <gregg_> yeah, but it's enough for me
[02:01] <Razor-X> s/ has/ doesen't have/
[02:01] <andy_> w32codecs
[02:01] <Razor-X> H.264 is one of those lacking in w32codecs
[02:01] <Razor-X> (IIRC)
[02:01] <Razor-X> MPlayer was not at all hard to compile, just long
[02:01] <Razor-X> _really_ long
[02:01] <gregg_> well, who needs h.264 anyway (at least for now)
[02:01] <Razor-X> some people say it takes longer than a kernel to compile ;)
[02:01] <Razor-X> gregg_: Systm
[02:02] <socomm> _SWAT_: It's under Apps->gnome-session->splash_image
[02:02] <icewt> now that you're talking about it, how do i get ac3 sound to work with mplayer?
[02:03] <Razor-X> I believe you have to compile it
[02:03] <_SWAT_> socomm, thnx :D:D:D:D (I could kiss you right now, but I won't don't worry :D)
[02:03] <gregg_> hmm
[02:03] <icewt> Razor-X, that's what i thought :/
[02:03] <Razor-X> I know VLC can play it by default, but, a lot of the videos I watch use AC3 stream, and MPlayer decodes it fine
[02:03] <gregg_> I think I have it working here, out of the box (or package)
[02:03] <Razor-X> icewt: nothing wrong with compiling
[02:04] <icewt> Razor-X, yes, VLC works fine. i just like mplayer better
[02:04] <Razor-X> icewt: compile it then
[02:04] <icewt> Razor-X, of course not, it's just easier to apt-get everything ;)
[02:04] <Razor-X> any app you use very often, you should compile (at least, that's my philosophy)
[02:04] <Razor-X> (like my Eterm)
[02:05] <gregg_> what about your shell?
[02:05] <cs378> ok i just wrote a simple c++ source, used gcc to compile but wont do it, getting errors, plz help on how to compile, this is my first time using linux
[02:05] <Razor-X> plus, MPlayer has a lot of processor specific optimizations that you can get out of compiling
[02:05] <fluvvell> Thanks guys, changing the name was definately in system->applications->networking->general tab
[02:05] <Razor-X> gregg_: ahh, an exception. I don't compile kernels or shells often
[02:05] <cs378> gcc foo.cpp <-- thats what i typed
[02:05] <Razor-X> I just aptitutded my zsh
[02:05] <gregg_> Razor-X: it's not worth the 3% benefit you'll get
[02:06] <socomm> I only compile apps that I would like optimized for my machine. Mplayer, and zsnes for example.
[02:06] <popey> cs378: try g++ foo.cpp
[02:06] <icewt> Razor-X, well, the mplayer packages in ubuntu are compiled for different processors
[02:06] <HrdwrBoB> socomm: "optimising for your machine" isn't really important
[02:06] <Razor-X> icewt: but, can they play files larger than 2 GB?
[02:06] <cs378> popey: yeah ok, g++ works, thx man, now i can write c++ n learn hahaha
[02:06] <gregg_> mplayer has run-time cpu detection and will automatically use specific code for critical parts
[02:06] <popey> cs378: great! that was a guess :D
[02:06] <icewt> Razor-X, dunno, haven't tried
[02:06] <gregg_> so it won't help that much to compile an "optimized" version of it
[02:07] <Razor-X> icewt: mine can ;)
[02:07] <Razor-X> gregg_: you mean, it uses MMX and SSE versions just by detecting the processor?
[02:07] <HrdwrBoB> I compiled my own mplayer - but only because ac3 was busted
[02:07] <icewt> Razor-X, send me a >2GB video and i'll try ;)
[02:07] <Razor-X> icewt: DVD isos
[02:07] <socomm> gregg_: CPU detection will slow down mplayer.
[02:07] <gregg_> Razor-X: yes
[02:07] <gregg_> socomm: yeah, like 1%
[02:07] <HrdwrBoB> socomm: oh nos, so slow
[02:07] <cs378> popey: hehe, now im gonna try javac, brb
[02:08] <socomm> HrdwrBoB: Mind your business.
[02:08] <Razor-X> gregg_: not on a box that's 256 MB RAM, 1.6 ghz, that can barely play H.264 as it is
[02:08] <Zodiac> Hey guys
[02:08] <icewt> Razor-X, actually i like to use VLC with DVDs because it supports menus
[02:08] <Zodiac> What is a good CD burning program??
[02:08] <HrdwrBoB> socomm: look, not to point to fine a point on it, the exercise is almost entirely pointless
[02:08] <socomm> Zodiac: K3B is probably the best.
[02:08] <Razor-X> Zodiac: K3b
[02:08] <whitefang> anyone know why flashplayer sound doesn't work? i can play windows media files in totem.
[02:08] <HrdwrBoB> if you need extra features etc then yeah, sure, go for it
[02:08] <Zodiac> nice
[02:08] <Zodiac> is that in the package manager??
[02:09] <HrdwrBoB> but recomiling things to achieve more speed isn't going to help you much
[02:09] <f_newton> melio, you still here or at work?
[02:09] <Razor-X> Zodiac: yeah
[02:09] <gregg_> Razor-X: it depends on the codecs. it does that sort of stuff for libavcodec
[02:09] <Razor-X> my Eterm was mainly compiled for features -- the package in the repos (at that time) didn't have Etwin support
[02:09] <socomm> HrdwrBoB: I don't compile just for speed sake ...
[02:09] <Zodiac> oh man, KDE??? Is that going to install a whole bunch of KDE library files??
[02:10] <popey> Zodiac: some, yes
[02:10] <Razor-X> and, the compiled version came with a nice icon ;), not the ugly X of the included package ;)
[02:10] <popey> if you don't already have them
[02:10] <socomm> Zodiac: gnomebaker is also good.
[02:10] <Razor-X> Graveman is better for a GTK interface
[02:10] <socomm> However is not as feature rich as K3B.
[02:10] <Zodiac> Gnomebacker... does that integrate with Gnome better?
[02:10] <icewt> Zodiac, it's worth it. k3b is the best
[02:10] <Zodiac> ahhh okay
[02:10] <Zodiac> I will buckle
[02:10] <Zodiac> thanx guys
[02:10] <socomm> Zodiac: `gnomebaker'
[02:11] <Seveas> 'Who wants to bake some gnomes?'
[02:11] <Zodiac> he he
[02:11] <Zodiac> I am installing k3b as I type this...
[02:11] <socomm> Cool.
[02:11] <Razor-X> I don't like my CDs baked
[02:11] <Razor-X> I like 'em burned ;)
[02:12] <gregg_> Razor-X: so, recompiling mplayer really helped in playing h.264 properly?
[02:12] <Di42lo> tell me something...the default terminal can handle tabs ?
[02:12] <Razor-X> gregg_: the speed for that on this machine helped
[02:12] <Razor-X> not too much though
[02:12] <_SWAT_> Zodiac, k3b looked great, haven't used it yet though
[02:12] <gregg_> hm ok
[02:12] <andy_> w32cfor i in *.wav; do lame --alt-preset standard -h "$i" "`basename "$i" .wav`.mp3"; done
[02:12] <Razor-X> and, I generally want all the codecs I possibly can in my media players
[02:12] <Razor-X> that way, I don't have to use 4 media players for my files
[02:12] <gregg_> the whole optimization thing just reminds me of...
[02:12] <socomm> Di42lo: Yes.
[02:13] <Zodiac> ha ha
[02:13] <icewt> Zodiac, you should visit kde's control center (or something) after installing though, otherwise the fonts in k3b are too big
[02:13] <andy_> for i in *.wav; do lame --alt-preset standard -h "$i" "`basename "$i" .wav`.mp3"; done
[02:13] <gregg_> "hey guys i just recompiled ma gentoo with -O9999 and it runs TWICE AS FAST !!!111one"
[02:13] <Zodiac> oh man...
[02:13] <Zodiac> KDE control panel??
[02:13] <Seveas> gregg_, :)
[02:13] <Razor-X> gregg_: Gentoo with -O5 makes Gnome run with decent speed on my old 486
[02:13] <Razor-X> Stage 1, -O5
[02:13] <icewt> Zodiac, something like that
[02:13] <socomm> icewt: If I recall correctly install k3b will only install the bare minimum, not the whole KDE package.
[02:13] <HrdwrBoB> Razor-X: ...
[02:13] <Razor-X> it took a hellish long time, but, that's beside the point ;)
[02:13] <Seveas> it just takes a year to compile :)
[02:13] <seife`> I think ill try the Live CD
[02:14] <Gorth> when i try to run xmms as my normal user, nothing happens, i have to use sudo to run it!
[02:14] <Gorth> any suggestions??
[02:14] <seife`> Before installing teh full Ubuntu
[02:14] <gregg_> Razor-X: well, the maximum level of gcc is -O3 :)
[02:14] <Zodiac> Is it going to make an icon in my dropdown menu??
[02:14] <Razor-X> that 486 there is just my tester, I do whatever I feel like it, when
[02:14] <Zodiac> Or do I have to terminal into it??
[02:14] <socomm> Razor-X: Why not use fluxbox on a machine like that?
[02:14] <windex> seife, trying it out before you nuke the machine is always good. :)
[02:14] <gregg_> so it might as well be your imagination
[02:14] <Razor-X> gregg_: Gentoo has some -O5 flags, (IIRC after reading the docs)
[02:14] <Code_Dark> does ubuntu come prepackaged with madwifi?
[02:14] <hmrocha> hi
[02:15] <Seveas> Code_Dark, yes
[02:15] <gregg_> Razor-X: so they patched up gcc?
[02:15] <Razor-X> socomm: I actually used XFce on that box (or Fluxbox, or IceWM), but this was more of a pushing-the-limit thing
[02:15] <hmrocha> i'm trying to switch a friend of mine from windows to ubuntu
[02:15] <Razor-X> gregg_: I believe so, unless I'm just off here
[02:15] <Code_Dark> Seveas: does ubuntu have a nice package manager?
[02:15] <hmrocha> he is using a dial up modem
[02:15] <Zodiac> oh man... how do I get to it??
[02:15] <Seveas> Code_Dark, yes, the best :)
[02:15] <popey> Code_Dark: yes, apt, or synaptic
[02:15] <Razor-X> Code_Dark: aptitude/apt-get is bar-none
[02:15] <hmrocha> so, i don't want to download w32codecs
[02:15] <Code_Dark> (excuse me for the barrage of questions, I'm trying to decide in like 20 seconds if I should install it on my laptop)
[02:15] <windex> Code_Dark, it's like debian, and uses apt/aptitude/synaptic.
[02:15] <Code_Dark> nice.
[02:15] <Seveas> Code_Dark, try a live cd if you can't decide :)
[02:15] <Razor-X> hmrocha: VLC is for your purposes
[02:15] <gregg_> well, I still don't think "optimization like mad" is useful, especially not with interactive programs
[02:15] <Code_Dark> that's a good idea.
[02:16] <hmrocha> i downloaded the codecs from mplayer's website
[02:16] <Razor-X> hmrocha: mmmkay
[02:16] <Seveas> hmrocha, those are the same as the w32codecs package...
[02:16] <socomm> hmrocha: Both packages are about the same size.
[02:16] <Razor-X> yeah, exactly
[02:16] <popey> I just apt-get and go!
[02:16] <deprave_> bleh how do i mount my floppy drive
[02:16] <hmrocha> i'd like to know where w32codecs deb package install the codecs
[02:16] <gregg_> I normally use -O1 -march=foo and that's it
[02:16] <Razor-X> essential codecs and win32codecs are the exact same ;)
[02:16] <hmrocha> can anyone tell me the directory?
[02:16] <popey> hmrocha: dpkg -L <packagename>
[02:16] <whitefang> anyone know why flashplayer sound doesn't work? i can play windows media files in totem.
[02:16] <socomm> hmrocha: /usr/lib/win32/
[02:16] <Seveas> hmrocha, /usr/lib/win32
[02:17] <Seveas> hey!
[02:17] <hmrocha> Seveas, thanks
[02:17] <icewt> socomm, well, the controlling thing (whatever) is installed with it
[02:17] <icewt> socomm, and that's good, so the fonts can be easily adjusted
[02:17] <deprave_> oops i just type mount -a /media/floppy what did that do
[02:17] <Razor-X> I installed mine in /usr/lib/local/codecs *shrugs*
[02:17] <scott> when I'm not running gnome how do I get ubuntu to automatically mount usbdisks?
[02:17] <Seveas> deprave_, nothing bad :)
[02:17] <socomm> icewt: That's great.
[02:17] <windex> Code_Dark, just keep in mind, the livecd isin't always as successful as a full install at working with hardware. from my time in this channel, i've seen that most laptops, while they do get X running ok, do have problems with 3d acceleration.
[02:17] <deprave_> ok
[02:17] <popey> scott: mine does that anyway
[02:17] <Seveas> maybe it even mounted the floppy :)
[02:17] <adkinsj> mount -a remounts everything in fstab
[02:17] <deprave_> Seveas: how do i mount my floppy drive? i need to move a driver in a zip file up to the w2k box i'm redoing
[02:17] <icewt> Zodiac, no, you can start it by typing kcontrol
[02:17] <Seveas> deprave_, try mtools
[02:18] <Code_Dark> windex: all I'm really worried about is getting my wireless card to work. I'll probably use something like fluxbox for my xwm, so.
[02:18] <hmrocha> Seveas, totem still can't play mpeg files
[02:18] <bluefoxicy>     I repeat, this is very dangerous. If at all in doubt, answer
[02:18] <bluefoxicy>     no. If you know exactly what you are doing, and are prepared to
[02:18] <bluefoxicy>     hose your system, then answer Yes.
[02:18] <bluefoxicy> Remove the running kernel image (not recommended) [No] ?
[02:18] <Razor-X> Code_Dark: what style is it?
 Duhhhhhhhhh. . . . . . . .
[02:18] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, don't paste in here
[02:18] <bluefoxicy> shouldn't it pop up a box that asks me that
[02:18] <Code_Dark> Razor-X: the laptop or the card?
[02:18] <Razor-X> bluefoxicy: ...... why a box?
[02:18] <bluefoxicy> instead of just hanging out until I show the terminal and type yes or no?
[02:18] <jazzanova_> how do i tell my system to use localtime and not UTC ?
[02:18] <deprave_> can anyone tell me how to mount a floppy drive? =P
[02:18] <Razor-X> and why are you removing your kernel?
[02:18] <bluefoxicy> Razor-X:  because the terminal doesn't show by default
[02:18] <socomm> hmrocha: Install totem-xine, you might also need to install mad.
[02:18] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, it should
[02:18] <Razor-X> Code_Dark: the card
[02:18] <hmrocha> i copied all files from the essential.....tar.bz2 file to /usr/lib/win32
[02:18] <windex> Code_Dark, ah. the default gnome install, while being gnome, dosen't seem to be as laggy as the old gnome was, so you might want to play with it for awhile before giving up since most of the configuration utilities are really easy to find using it.
[02:18] <Code_Dark> Razor-X: D-Link DWL-G650 C2
[02:18] <scott> anyone know the device name for usb ports?
[02:18] <bluefoxicy> Razor-X:  so it just sits there saying it's uninstalling the package.
[02:18] <socomm> hmrocha: Follow the following link.
[02:18] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, this is a bug, please file it
[02:18] <hmrocha> socomm, mad is already installed
[02:18] <socomm> !restricted.
[02:18] <ubotu> it has been said that restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:19] <popey> scott: use lsusb to find them
[02:19] <Code_Dark> windex: hm, alright. i may.
[02:19] <aias_> bluefoxicy, say no for now, I've seen that
[02:19] <hmrocha> i have followed that link
[02:19] <socomm> hmrocha: Have you restared totem?
[02:19] <bluefoxicy> Seveas:  is it not filed yet?  It's been like that since early warty
[02:19] <Razor-X> bluefoxicy: not everything in Linux has a box if there's no terminal attached to it
[02:19] <seife> can anyone tell me the link to download knoppix?
[02:19] <hmrocha> yes, i restarted totem
[02:19] <Razor-X> seife: www.knopper.net
[02:19] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, hmm, odd, it should have been fixed then
[02:19] <Code_Dark> i'm used to really really really really customized systems; i use slackware and netbsd most of the time.
[02:19] <Razor-X> (IIRC)
[02:19] <shamus> I'm trying to install ndiswrapper by following a wiki, and it's been fine up until this command: sed -e "a/misc/kernel\/drivers\/net\/ndiswrapper lg" debian/rules debian/temp
[02:19] <popey> seife: knopper.net
[02:19] <scott> popey, lsusb shows my flash drive but it's not mountd in the normal /media/usbdisk
[02:19] <gregg_> http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=11454
[02:19] <shamus> the error it gave me was: sed: -e expression #1, char 43: unterminated `s command
[02:19] <bluefoxicy> aias_:  I know.  It's safe to do if you're going to reboot right after but I'm not :)
[02:19] <hmrocha> that site says to apt-get install w32codecs
[02:19] <jazzanova_> shamus: #ndiswrapper
[02:19] <hmrocha> maybe the deb packages does something i'm not doing
[02:19] <popey> scott: oh i see.. sg_scan -i can tell you
[02:19] <socomm> hmrocha: Maybe.
[02:19] <aias_> bluefoxicy, then, my advice stands ;P
[02:19] <gregg_> know they've done it. I don't like the new modular approach for xorg
[02:20] <gregg_> s/know/now/
[02:20] <windex> Code_Dark, im looking at info on your wireless card, hold a sec. :)
[02:20] <bluefoxicy> Seveas:  Yeah.  I remember a general plan included making synaptic pop up a box for everything so the terminal could be hidden by default.
[02:20] <Code_Dark> windex: thanks :)
[02:20] <popey> scott: which is in the sg3-utils package
[02:20] <bluefoxicy> Seveas:  it doesn't, and it is, respectively.
[02:20] <HrdwrBoB> gregg_: why not
[02:20] <seife> none of those linkx work
[02:20] <hmrocha> i'm using totem-gstreamer, maybe that's the problem
[02:20] <popey> scott:  it will likely be /dev/sda1
[02:20] <shamus> jazzanova_: no one in ndiswrapper has been idle for less than 2 hours.
[02:20] <jazzanova_> how do i restart ubuntu configuration, like i had during install ? the blue screens.
[02:20] <socomm> hmrocha: I'd recommend totem-xine.
[02:20] <popey> seife: www.knopper.net
[02:20] <hmrocha> what gstreamer plugin should i use to play mpeg files?
[02:20] <popey> seife: I downloaded it earlier!
[02:20] <seife> the mirrors dont work for meh
[02:20] <socomm> hmrocha: Probably mad.
[02:21] <popey> seife: you tried them ALL!?
[02:21] <Seveas> jazzanova_, sudo base-config
[02:21] <hmrocha> mad only allows to play sound
[02:21] <gregg_> HrdwrBoB: I fear that you'll now need all kinds of GNU shit to build and run it
[02:21] <hmrocha> i want to play video too
[02:21] <jazzanova_> seveas: thanks
[02:21] <benplaut> YES!
[02:21] <Zodiac> Okay, I have determined that I am a Windows retard
[02:21] <windex> Code_Dark, it appears that some flavors of your card need an upgraded driver to function, depending on how new the firmware is. you may need to download a development enviroment and the ubuntu kernel headers and source package and then re-build the madwifi module.
[02:21] <Zodiac> I just restarted for no reason
[02:21] <HrdwrBoB> gregg_: no more so than before
[02:21] <Seveas> Zodiac, rofl
[02:21] <scott> anyone know the process or program name that automounts drives?
[02:21] <benplaut> my school finally got rid of their old complaining Mac server, and got a windows server
[02:21] <stephans> ll
[02:21] <socomm> hmrocha: gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg - FFmpeg plugin for GStreamer
[02:21] <icewt> Zodiac, you can start the control thing with kcontrol
[02:21] <popey> scott: I told you.. use sg_scan!
[02:21] <Zodiac> How do I get this application into my Gnome menus??
[02:21] <seife> no
[02:22] <Seveas> scott, pmount in combination with HAL
[02:22] <JoshRA> Where can i find a /deb for the newest verison of gaim
[02:22] <benplaut> now the iMacs can't connect, so i've got permission to put linux on them :)
[02:22] <seife> popey tell me where u downloaded it
[02:22] <socomm> hmrocha: gstreamer0.8-mpeg2dec - MPEG1 and MPEG2 video decoder plugin for GStreamer
[02:22] <Zodiac> Kcontrol you say??
[02:22] <seife> im so newbie with linux stuff
[02:22] <benplaut> wait a sec
[02:22] <deprave_> can anyone tell me how to mount a floppy drive and move files to it
[02:22] <gregg_> HrdwrBoB: if that's the case I'm ok with it
[02:22] <HrdwrBoB> gregg_: in any case, it was a complete hideous ugly disaster
[02:22] <popey> seife: http://www.mirror.ac.uk/sites/ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/linux/knoppix/
[02:22] <benplaut> can linux connect somewhat easily to a Windows server?
[02:22] <popey> seife: that took 30 seconds!
[02:22] <Code_Dark> windex: it's the 'C2' version of the card, if that helps. hm. i'll try the livecd and see if it works 'out of the box' or not, then check out the options.
[02:22] <HrdwrBoB> gregg_: it's as free as it was before
[02:22] <gregg_> HrdwrBoB: uh what is a disaster?
[02:22] <icewt> Zodiac, yes
[02:22] <popey> benplaut: connect how, file sharing?
[02:22] <popey> benplaut: printing?
[02:22] <Zodiac> Do I need to get Kcontrol first??
[02:22] <hmrocha> socomm, thanks
[02:23] <socomm> hmrocha: Try the mpeg2dec codec.
[02:23] <HrdwrBoB> gregg_: the X build process
[02:23] <icewt> Zodiac, if you installed k3b, it came with it
[02:23] <adkinsj> deprave: mount /dev/fd0
[02:23] <deprave_> bleh.
[02:23] <deprave_> thanks
[02:23] <seife> there are so much files in there.
[02:23] <seife> lol
[02:23] <seife> like 10.txt
[02:23] <windex> Code_Dark, let me get you the link i just read. the howto is mostly accurate, with a few mistakes in pathnames (namely, the symlink command they give): http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=36800
[02:23] <popey> yes
[02:23] <seife> and some other files
[02:23] <popey> and they work
[02:23] <Zodiac> okay... so how do I get kcontrol to start?
[02:23] <Seveas> HrdwrBoB, the old one yes, the new modular approach is better :)
[02:23] <Code_Dark> windex: thanks
[02:23] <popey> seife: http://www.mirror.ac.uk/mirror/ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/linux/knoppix/KNOPPIX_V3.9-2005-05-27-EN.iso
[02:23] <windex> Code_Dark, np. :)
[02:23] <icewt> Zodiac, by typing it into terminal window ;)
[02:23] <Zodiac> ah ha
[02:23] <spanglesontoast> is there anything called statgrab for ubuntu
[02:23] <seife> ok
[02:23] <Zodiac> lemme give it a try :)
[02:24] <benplaut> popey: printing and, log in via the server (i forget what you call that)
[02:24] <HrdwrBoB> Seveas: ... that's exactly what I said :P
[02:24] <spanglesontoast> as the debian normal thing doesn't work
[02:24] <popey> spanglesontoast: it's in debian, you can get the deb and install on ubuntu
[02:24] <seife> sigh
[02:24] <icewt> Zodiac, of course you could look first how the fonts in k3b look
[02:24] <seife> i cant download that, dunno why :S
[02:24] <gregg_> HrdwrBoB: yeah, but it worked
[02:24] <popey> benplaut: yes, you can, use CUPS and/or SAMBA to print
[02:24] <calamari> hi
[02:24] <Zodiac> whoa...
[02:24] <gregg_> and it did that in a cross-platform manner
[02:24] <Zodiac> its doing something...
[02:24] <popey> seife: right click, download?
[02:24] <Zodiac> uh oh
[02:24] <scott> popey, sg_scan doesn't help me get this usbdisk mounted
[02:24] <icewt> Zodiac, i don't think k3b appears in the menu either
[02:24] <HrdwrBoB> gregg_: lots of things work
[02:24] <Zodiac> getting some "warnings"
[02:25] <deprave_> what file system do i specify for mounting the floppy
[02:25] <windex> Code_Dark, btw, this machine is a duron 1400 w/ 256mb of ram and a 40gb ide drive, and it's fast and responsive running gnome. :) which, uh, should be impossible. but whatever.
[02:25] <HrdwrBoB> gregg_: doesn't mean they're not terribly ineffecient
[02:25] <popey> scott: yes it does, it tells you which device it's on
[02:25] <benplaut> popey: and the logging in... will it be much trouble?
[02:25] <icewt> Zodiac, hm?
[02:25] <calamari> I have two of every item in my System/Preferences and System/Administration menus.. can I remove these duplicates somehow?
[02:25] <f_newton> sure took some doing to get MY printer working in ubuntu
[02:25] <gregg_> HrdwrBoB: hehe, ok
[02:25] <socomm> icewt: I think you'll have to install the menu package.
[02:25] <scott> popey, automatically that is. you were right it's /dev/sda1, but I want automounting
[02:25] <Zodiac> damn... can I get k3b to show up in the Gnome menu?
[02:25] <Code_Dark> windex: I'm (will be) using a pII laptop with 128mb ram, so...
[02:25] <Zodiac> Is it possible?
[02:25] <Zodiac> Or do I have to get a gnome burning application?
[02:25] <windex> Code_Dark, you might need a smaller window manager then. :)
[02:25] <popey> scott: you on hoary? mine automounts out of the box..
[02:25] <hmrocha> socomm, it's working, thanks
[02:25] <socomm> icewt: The actual package name is `menu'.
[02:25] <huttan> Zodiac, k3b
[02:26] <adkinsj> deprave: maybe mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy
[02:26] <Code_Dark> windex: yeah, I'll probably use fluxbox or xfce
[02:26] <socomm> hmrocha: Great, have fun.
[02:26] <icewt> socomm, well, unless something has changed in few weeks, no you don't
[02:26] <seife> popey: its says "Cant shot page.
[02:26] <megatronx> anyone know what i need to install to be able to watch .asf videos? i installed the essential codecs and that didn't help.
[02:26] <benplaut> !samba
[02:26] <Zodiac> I have k3b, but I want to add it into my applications drop down menu
[02:26] <ubotu> rumour has it, samba is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[02:26] <benplaut> !thanks
[02:26] <icewt> Zodiac, http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/
[02:26] <ubotu> benplaut: sure thing
[02:26] <popey> seife: problem is your end, it works for me
[02:27] <Amaranth> ubotu: bad bot
[02:27] <ubotu> bad amaranth!
[02:27] <scott> alright guys, Automounting outside of gnome: run gnome-volume-manager
[02:27] <seife> yes.
[02:27] <seife> lemme try another mirror
[02:27] <Seveas> !lart the bot
[02:27] <popey> seife: use wget?
[02:27] <popey> wget that iso file
[02:27] <icewt> Zodiac, were the warnings you got from kcontrol or k3b ?
[02:27] <jazzanova_> when i use gnome desktop, mozilla has normal sized font in the menu, but if i use the ratpoison window manager, mozilla's fonts are too small.  where are the fotn settings ?
[02:28] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, I just grep'ed through the kernel package for that message, it's not there
[02:28] <seife> ty.
[02:28] <Zodiac> kcontrol
[02:28] <seife> Downloading it now.
[02:28] <benplaut> Seveas, Amaranth, ubotu: what the...?
[02:28] <seife> Is there any other thing i need to run Ubuntu?
[02:28] <seife> im so newb
[02:28] <seife> lol
[02:28] <icewt> Zodiac, it works anyway?
[02:28] <Amaranth> !lart benplaut
[02:28] <Seveas> benplaut, ubotu is a bot :)
[02:28] <benplaut> i know
[02:28] <benplaut> !lart ubotu
[02:28] <Seveas> :)
[02:28] <Zodiac> I guess so
[02:28] <Zodiac> ha ha
[02:29] <benplaut> what is lart?!
[02:29] <Zodiac> hmmm
[02:29] <Zodiac> ok
[02:29] <Seveas> Luser Attitude Readjustment Tool - The tool of the BOFH
[02:29] <bluefoxicy> Seveas:  try removing your running kernel
[02:29] <benplaut> !kill
[02:29] <ubotu> benplaut: I don't know, could you explain it?
[02:29] <benplaut> hmm
[02:29] <Amaranth> !lart
[02:29] <Zodiac> just a question though... if I installed the Gnome burning program, would it have put in a menu item???
[02:29] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, no thanks, I have no other kernels installed :)
[02:29] <Amaranth> err
[02:29] <hmrocha> what's the gstreamer plugin for avi files?
[02:29] <bluefoxicy> Seveas:  if it DOES remove it apt-get install it back :P
[02:29] <popey> Zodiac: yes
[02:29] <popey> Zodiac: i just did it
[02:29] <bluefoxicy> Seveas:  dude deleting your kernel is no big deal, it's in memory duh
[02:29] <Amaranth> damn, i can't set !lart to something :P
[02:29] <abarbaccia> Zodiac, if you're referring to gnome baker - its under accessories
[02:29] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, true
[02:29] <bluefoxicy> Seveas:  it just means you can't boot, or load new modules.
[02:29] <icewt> Zodiac, maybe, maybe not
[02:30] <benplaut> !lart
[02:30] <popey> "just" :D
[02:30] <Seveas> but what if my power goes down ;)
[02:30] <scott> anyone know how to have backspace not open a new window in nautilus?
[02:30] <bluefoxicy> Seveas:  (hence, reinstall it quickly, before the power goes out)
[02:30] <windex> jazzanova_, there's a gnome component you can run in the background of your non-gnome window manager to get gnome prefrences to load.
[02:30] <Seveas> :)
[02:30] <benplaut> ahh
[02:30] <benplaut>  Luser Attitude Readjustment Tool
[02:30] <abarbaccia> Seveas, then you lose
[02:30] <Zodiac> I dont have gnome baker
[02:30] <windex> jazzanova_, that fixes fonts in mozilla
[02:30] <Zodiac> hmm
[02:30] <bluefoxicy> Seveas:  then you say "fuck" 5 times in a sentence about buzzers and battery backup power
[02:30] <icewt> Zodiac, there are many programs that can be installed from the official reposity, and they don't appear in the menu
[02:30] <aias_> boot, boot and boot now, bluefoxicy
[02:30] <skalpel> gnome baker will not work for me, it always quit halfway
[02:30] <Zodiac> huh
[02:30] <icewt> Zodiac, but with that smeg you can fix it
[02:31] <abarbaccia> gnome baker works fine for my applications (well my little sisters) for me its cdrecord
[02:31] <skalpel> does anyone know of a gui app that sonsists of unrar
[02:31] <windex> jazzanova_, ah ha, 'gnome-settings-daemon'.
[02:31] <hmrocha> Seveas, do you know what is the plugin for gstreamer to watch divx movies?
[02:31] <abarbaccia> skalpel, whats wrong with the command line?
[02:31] <bluefoxicy> Seveas:  besides, having no kernel is no big deal.
[02:31] <windex> jazzanova_, if you instruct your window manager to run gnome-settings-daemon even though it's not gnome, your settings in gnome will apply to gtk/gnome aware applications.
[02:31] <gregg_> the flash plugin works for me, but somehow it won't draw text, seems like fonts are broken/missing/whatever. anyone knows the problem?
[02:31] <bluefoxicy> livecd, chroot, apt-get install, reboot.
[02:31] <popey> skalpel: gnome archive manager
[02:31] <bluefoxicy> I'm a master of disaster recovery.
[02:31] <gregg_> I can't use the flash preferences panel at, for example. I can't see the labels etc ;)
[02:31] <Zodiac> smeg...
[02:32] <Amaranth> !smeg
[02:32] <Zodiac> What is the best way to install this?
[02:32] <ubotu> methinks smeg is a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[02:32] <abarbaccia> bluefoxicy, seems like it - but why would you need to remove the running kernel anyways
[02:32] <Zodiac> The creipt?
[02:32] <skalpel> abarbaccia: nothing.
[02:32] <HrdwrBoB> bluefoxicy: heh, that's easy, try when to fs is corrupt and you're missing disks
[02:32] <abarbaccia> wouldnt it be easier just to install a different kernel?
[02:32] <icewt> Zodiac, i gave you the link, didn't i?
[02:32] <windex> jazzanova_, i can't recall for the life of me if you need to fork that into the background or if it does it on its own.
[02:32] <bluefoxicy> HrdwrBoB:  lol
[02:32] <windex> jazzanova_, does that help?
[02:32] <hmrocha> socomm, do you know the plugin for the avi files?
[02:32] <skalpel> how come when i try to use tab completion i get a beep from my computer?
[02:32] <HrdwrBoB> then you have to switch over to a different machien to do the same funciton
[02:32] <Evergreen98> anyone up to assisting with an Acer laptop wireless LAN/ACPI problem?
[02:32] <abarbaccia> skalpel, because it likes to beep - just unplug the damn beeper
[02:32] <popey> Evergreen98: which acer laptop?
[02:32] <abarbaccia> its usually the 1st thing i do with a computer
[02:32] <Zodiac> yea I guess
[02:32] <Zodiac> you did
[02:32] <Zodiac> ha ha
[02:32] <socomm> hmrocha: Probably libavcodec, or ffmeg
[02:32] <Evergreen98> Acer Aspire 1694 WLMi
[02:32] <Zodiac> damn
[02:32] <Zodiac> okay
[02:32] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, argh
[02:32] <_SWAT_> I'm using XMMS (with ALSA) and I listen to my music, but somehow songs always have some sound-skipping in them. It's only a few milliseconds everytime and Totem (movieplayer) or any other application have NO problems with playing the same files
[02:32] <Amaranth> Zodiac: please use the script
[02:32] <Zodiac> k3b looks pretty money
[02:33] <skalpel> abarbaccia: well then how come tab completion does not complete my commands
[02:33] <Seveas> that question is hacked in the scripts
[02:33] <Seveas> it's not a nice debconf question
[02:33] <Zodiac> What do I do with the script?
[02:33] <abarbaccia> skalpel, because the choice isn't there - what command are you trying to run/.
[02:33] <Zodiac> Type it into my terminal???
[02:33] <hmrocha> socomm, i'll try, thanks
[02:33] <Amaranth> hang on
[02:33] <skalpel> abarbaccia: does it work for directories too?
[02:34] <abarbaccia> yes - but dont get fooled if you put a space or invalid character you need to escape it
[02:34] <bluefoxicy> Seveas:  argh indeed
[02:34] <Amaranth> Zodiac: wget http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg/installsmeg && chmod +x installsmeg && sudo ./installsmeg
[02:34] <Amaranth> Zodiac: type that into a terminal
[02:34] <Buffy> Zodiac - 3b - is very powerful a lot of options. - you are likely to burn a few coasters until the settings are right for what you want - gnomebaker is more straightforward.
[02:34] <skalpel> tab completion is my friend
[02:34] <skalpel> thank you master
[02:34] <abarbaccia> Zodiac, also k3b was written with kde libraries - baker with gnome libs - if that gets you angry (me it does)
[02:35] <Seveas> Amaranth, this is easier: wget http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg/installsmeg && sudo python installsmeg
[02:35] <Zodiac> yea that does
[02:35] <Seveas> :)
[02:35] <abarbaccia> skalpel, did you get it?
[02:35] <Buffy> Hi AmaRANTH, sEVEAS,      (iiiears)
[02:35] <Evergreen98> popey: I've checked out some posts on the forum, but it's not exactly working... I think there's a problem with the PNP bios and I need to do something with the DSDT to get it to work as intended
[02:35] <icewt> hmm.. i didn't use the script to install smeg, and i don't even seem the have all packages it "requires". works flawlessly anyway :)
[02:35] <abarbaccia> skalpel, and if you hit tab 2x fast it lists options
[02:35] <z] bandito> hello
[02:35] <z] bandito> whats the command to remove a user?
[02:35] <Seveas> or: sudo python - < curl http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg/installsmeg 2>/dev/null
[02:35] <skalpel> abarbaccia: options for what?
[02:35] <Amaranth> icewt: I won't support and/or help users that don't have the gnome-menus 2.10.2 packages
[02:35] <popey> Evergreen98: i dont know that one sorry
[02:36] <Seveas> z] bandito, deluser
[02:36] <Zodiac> okay... smeg should be installed... lets see here
[02:36] <z] bandito> oh yeah.. thanks
[02:36] <BTJustice> I am trying to install KDE following the directions at http://www.kubuntu.org/documentation.php.
[02:36] <BTJustice> When I enter "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" I get this...
[02:36] <Evergreen98> popey: s'ok, thanks anyways
[02:37] <skalpel> how do wildcards work in linux?
[02:37] <icewt> Amaranth, well, that i do have. why is that script installing libgnome-menu-dev ?
[02:37] <BTJustice> Reading package lists... Done
[02:37] <BTJustice> Building dependency tree... Done
[02:37] <BTJustice> E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-desktop
[02:37] <Amaranth> icewt: So that gnome-devel will be installable.
[02:37] <Seveas> BTJustice, are you running wart?
[02:37] <Seveas> BTJustice, are you running warty?
[02:37] <Zodiac> Okay, so I can use the package manager to delete programs right??
[02:37] <suranta> guys can i use quanta on gnome?
[02:37] <Seveas> or did you not enable installiong from the network?
[02:38] <windex> wow. 2 ops at one time! new record.
[02:38] <BTJustice> I am running the latest Ubuntu
[02:38] <Amaranth> Seveas: Is this a new game we're playing?
[02:38] <Amaranth> :D
[02:38] <BTJustice> I start with Linux yesterday, lol.
[02:38] <f_newton> yeah tag yer it
[02:38] <Zodiac> Does the synaptic package manger delete programs?
[02:38] <Amaranth> Zodiac: yes
[02:38] <Seveas> Zodiac, you can use it for deletion too
[02:38] <f_newton> then you've dont a good job so far BTJustice
[02:39] <Zodiac> excellent...
[02:39] <Seveas> bye all
[02:39] <f_newton> night
[02:39] <_SWAT_> nn
[02:39] <BTJustice> There si nothing about KDE in the list.config file
[02:39] <BTJustice> I can;t even edit it in Gnome.
[02:39] <Madpilot> hi everyone
[02:40] <aias_> BTJustice, trust me on this, if you're running hoary, there is something wrong in your /etc/sources.list :)
[02:40] <BTJustice> So how do I install KDE in Ubuntu correctly?
[02:40] <suranta> can quanta use on gnome? i've tried to apt-get but it's error
[02:41] <BTJustice> I had that pasted...
[02:41] <Zodiac> Mark for complete uninstallation is what I would want??
[02:41] <Zodiac> right?
[02:42] <BTJustice> What is that paste site?
[02:42] <Buffy> BTJustice - make sure your apt sources list is correct then use apt-get or better synaptic to install kubuntu-desktop. ubotu has the link for correctig you repositories if needed.
[02:42] <aias_> BTJustice, replace your /etc/apt/sources.list (sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list) with http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[02:42] <Buffy> !repos
[02:42] <ubotu> rumour has it, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[02:42] <aias_> then try again
[02:43] <Buffy> Hi Amaranth, Seveas. :)
[02:43] <Zodiac> hmmm
[02:43] <suranta> ???
[02:44] <Goodspeed> any reason why x.org wont recognize my pci-express graphix card?
[02:44] <gregg_> BTJustice: did you run "sudo apt-get update"? you'll need to do this after fiddling around in your sources.list
[02:44] <Zodiac> When uninstalling using the package manager, I want "mark for complete uninstallation"?
[02:44] <Zodiac> yes / no?
[02:45] <BTJustice> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/943
[02:45] <Amaranth> Zodiac: if you don't plan on reinstalling it, sure
[02:45] <icewt> Zodiac, i guess it removes the configuration files too. that's okay to you i guess?
[02:45] <BTJustice> I think sources.list is the problem.  How do I edit it to get KDE?
[02:45] <Zodiac> yes?
[02:45] <icewt> Zodiac, depends on whether you want to keep the settings you've possibly changed or not
[02:46] <gregg_> BTJustice: yep, it is the problem. your only source for packages is the ubuntu cd-rom so far
[02:46] <aias_> BTJustice, everything is commented out, therefore not gettable :)
[02:46] <Zodiac> ahh I gets it
[02:46] <Zodiac> naw
[02:46] <Zodiac> I just want it all gone
[02:46] <BTJustice> So what do I need to do?
[02:46] <BTJustice> I don;t know what "commented out" means.
[02:46] <Madpilot> ping cafuego
[02:46] <Goodspeed> is anyone using a pci-express graphics card?
[02:46] <Slipaway172> kubuntu
[02:47] <gregg_> BTJustice: uncomment all lines with "deb" at the beginning (remove # and trailing space)
[02:47] <aias_> BTJustice, commented out, means it has a # in front
[02:47] <Zodiac> well I did it
[02:47] <Zodiac> lord knows if it worked
[02:47] <icewt> Zodiac, good for you. next you can learn to use apt-get --purge remove program , which does the same ;)
[02:47] <BTJustice> How do I edit?
[02:47] <BTJustice> It only opens in read-only
[02:48] <BTJustice> I have it open with gedit
[02:48] <abarbaccia> BTJustice, open it as sudo
[02:48] <BTJustice> How do I do that?
[02:48] <magdeburger> sudo gedit
[02:49] <Zodiac> he he
[02:49] <Zodiac> well.... I only "think" it is really gone
[02:49] <BTJustice> IN the root terminal?
[02:50] <magdeburger> when you open it in the root terminal you don't need the sudo, but if you open the normal terminal then you need the sudo
[02:50] <icewt> Zodiac, what "it" is then?
[02:50] <magdeburger> bad english, sorry
[02:50] <Zodiac> ummm
[02:50] <Zodiac> k3b
[02:50] <fredforfaen> so whats up peeps
[02:50] <icewt> Zodiac, er.. i didn't work?
[02:50] <Zodiac> I went with Gnomebaker
[02:50] <gregg_> icewt: you should know for yourself ;-)
[02:51] <Goodspeed> whats the kernel version command?
[02:51] <icewt> Zodiac, did you even try it?
[02:51] <Slipaway172> man i just recieved the stupidest japanese email that makes NO sense. if u want to read it just open a chat window
[02:51] <gregg_> Slipaway172: engrish?
[02:51] <gregg_> Goodspeed: uname
[02:51] <Slipaway172> kinda
[02:51] <icewt> gregg_, k3b & kcontrol works flawlessly, just by installing k3b
[02:51] <Goodspeed> that just gives me linux
[02:51] <BTJustice> Ok it is getting updates after I get rid of all "# "
[02:52] <Buffy> uname - a is everything
[02:52] <gregg_> Goodspeed: uname -a
[02:52] <gregg_> Goodspeed: man uname
[02:52] <gregg_> Slipaway172: I'm interested :)
[02:52] <Buffy> man uname "who?"
[02:52] <Buffy> j/k
[02:53] <BTJustice> I am going top close everything while doing apt-get upgrade, thanks guys
[02:57] <Slipaway172> wierd this is the first time i have seen a admin not in here at a given time
[02:57] <benplaut> how hard is it, in ubuntu PPC, to set it up so that the computer can log in to a Windows server, like you can log in from any one the windows computers?
[02:57] <deprave_> i can't believe it's this difficult to get a floppy drive to work/do what i want
[02:57] <benplaut> deprave_: linux is about cutting-edge. floppy is so 90's :P
[02:57] <JoshRA> Where can i find a /deb for the newest verison of gaim
[02:58] <benplaut> you can't
[02:58] <benplaut> you can find an autopackage, though
[02:58] <jasoncohen> JoshRA, it's in backports
[02:58] <deprave_> why can i not copy a driver to a floppy drive so i can get another box working, heh.
[02:59] <deprave_> er floppy disk
[02:59] <hondje> did you mount the floppy, all the obvious things?
[02:59] <benplaut> jumpdrive :P
[03:00] <benplaut> Slipaway172: they're here... just hidden
[03:00] <glyph1> hi
[03:00] <benplaut> hello
[03:00] <skalpel> hi
[03:00] <piksi> anyone able to help with sata hdd and dvd-r (nec scsi??) not being recognized by the installation of ubuntu?
[03:00] <deprave_> i attempted to mount /media/floppy which wanted me to specify a filesystem so i chose -a =P then someone told me to do mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy
[03:01] <deprave_> i didn't think it needed file system information specified since all i have to do is type mount/umount /media/cdrom for a cd
[03:01] <glyph1> 5 more days and im back to my computer
[03:01] <lexhider> can anyone give me info on difference between hibernate vs shutdown, and more specifically why I would choose to shutdown instead of hibernating on a single user desktop machine?
[03:01] <hondje> deprave_: it gets tricky...for your cdrom there's an entry in /etc/fstab, so it knows what device to mount there
[03:02] <hondje> deprave_: but it 'should' know what filesystem the floppy has, because it'll check them all in absence of specification IIRC....is it formated?
[03:02] <JoshRA> jasoncohen: #Hoary-Extras
[03:02] <JoshRA> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted deb
[03:02] <JoshRA> io have that
[03:02] <glyph1> hibernating saves your state shutdown everything is closed
[03:02] <JoshRA> but it does not pullit
[03:03] <jasoncohen> JoshRA, no- gaim is in backports. hoary-extras contain packages that aren't in ubuntu
[03:03] <deprave_> handje: i think they were formated fat*
[03:03] <jasoncohen> backports contain new upstream releases of packages that are already in ubuntu
[03:03] <lexhider> glyph1, no power-usage difference?
[03:03] <benplaut> !backports
[03:03] <ubotu> hmm... backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[03:03] <glyph1> none at all bucause hibernate shuts the computer down also
[03:04] <deprave_> this is ridiculous, i'm about to waste a cdrom on a 400Kb text file
[03:04] <glyph1> it just saves what you were doing first
[03:04] <JoshRA> Thanks jasoncohen and benplaut
[03:04] <hondje> deprave_: try mounting a known-good floppy
[03:04] <benplaut> deprave_: then use a floppy!  MUHAHAHAHA!
[03:05] <jasoncohen> JoshRA, if you don't want to use backports, you can use the autopackage which also works and has a nice gui installer
[03:05] <lexhider> glyph1, thanx
[03:05] <glyph1> your welcome
[03:05] <jasoncohen> JoshRA, but backports also includes many other popular apps
[03:05] <glick> hey does anyone know when we can expext breezy to be releaesd?
[03:05] <jasoncohen> glick, october
[03:05] <Will_> every 6 months!
[03:05] <JoshRA> jasoncohen: :) thanks i did not know the link for backports. I was lookingf ro it before i asked
[03:05] <JoshRA> thansk
[03:05] <Slipaway172> who wants a gmail account? open a dialog with me if u want one?
[03:05] <glick> hey how is evolution?
[03:06] <glick> is it worth using?
[03:06] <benplaut> everyone who wants one already has one
[03:06] <hondje> I like evolution
[03:06] <hondje> But lots of people prefer thunderbird
[03:06] <glick>  how is it compared to kontact
[03:06] <HrdwrBoB> Slipaway172: gmail is somewhat passe now
[03:06] <hondje> I don't really know, sorry
[03:06] <glyph1> how bout the gui installer which version will that be in?
[03:06] <Slipaway172> i have invites
[03:06] <benplaut> glick: evolution is like Outlook... thunderbird is like Outlook Express
[03:06] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: you here?
[03:06] <HrdwrBoB> Slipaway172: so do a hojillion other people
[03:06] <Slipaway172> what?
[03:06] <Madpilot> HrdwrBoB: is that a real number? ;)
[03:07] <HrdwrBoB> Madpilot: indeed
[03:07] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X:  trying to be
[03:07] <Razor-X> Slipaway172: if you were in the first set, then you were reall special
[03:07] <benplaut> :P
[03:07] <Razor-X> the second set of invites are special
[03:07] <Razor-X> the third set, is ok
[03:07] <Razor-X> after that, invites became really widespread
[03:07] <benplaut> i was in the second set :)
[03:07] <kaplanfx_> is there an ubuntu bug database where I can check if a bug I am having is a known bug?
[03:07] <Razor-X> benplaut: same here ;)
[03:07] <HrdwrBoB> bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[03:07] <glyph1> bye
[03:07] <Razor-X> s/reall/really/
[03:07] <kaplanfx_> HrdwrBoB: thanks
[03:07] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: I got anohter idea
[03:07] <Razor-X> but, I don't know if it is a one-person thing, or not
[03:07] <hybrid_goth> -offtopic bro
[03:08] <Razor-X> exactly
[03:09] <kaplanfx_> anyone else use btdownloadmanycurses.bittornado ??
[03:09] <deprave_> lol this is hilarious, so i get the floppy drive icon on my desktop and i don't have permissions to move the file from the desktop the the floppy drive
[03:09] <Slipaway172> Razor-X, first set?
[03:09] <glick> i thought ubuntu had xfce4.2.2 by now
[03:09] <jasoncohen> hmm, autopackages are quite nice
[03:09] <benplaut> glick: nope... got 4.2.1
[03:09] <whitefang> ubuntu describe wine
[03:09] <jasoncohen> installing inkscape .42 from autopackage
[03:09] <whitefang> ubuntu wine
[03:10] <whitefang> damn, i can't remember that good wine installation guide i looked at the other day
[03:10] <cs378> how do we hack in linux?
[03:10] <whitefang> i think it came from ubuntu
[03:11] <benplaut> cs378: i think that's taboo in here...
[03:12] <benplaut> ubotu tell whitefang about wine
[03:12] <_SWAT_> what a great quote! "To mess up a Linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up your Windows box, you just need to work on it"
[03:12] <benplaut> yup...
[03:12] <benplaut> but very overused
[03:12] <_SWAT_> so what? It's true isn't it?
[03:12] <benplaut> yup
[03:13] <_SWAT_> so let the people use it :)
[03:13] <_SWAT_> I'm now proving to ALL of my friends (fanatic Windows users) how usefull linux is and that it IS desktop-ready
[03:13] <_SWAT_> already got one hooked a few days ago
[03:13] <equex> lol
[03:13] <DiegoMax> hello
[03:14] <cs378> is there a way to config X-Chat so the the list displays like the original mIRC?
[03:14] <_SWAT_> he doesn't even want to boot Windows up anymore, unless he really needs to (for windows-only programs :P)
[03:14] <cs378> channel list
[03:14] <cs378> oh nvm
[03:14] <vader1102> I am waiting for my disks to come then I will have a bunch of converts
[03:14] <cs378> got it
[03:14] <dockane> does anybody know what makes ubuntu's firefox text so cute and debian's so ugly ? i may post 2 screenshots if you need to compare
[03:14] <DiegoMax> i need some simple answers..can somebody help me
[03:14] <DiegoMax> ?
[03:14] <Madpilot> _SWAT_: one similar quote I like: (it's nastier than yours...) "Play a Windows CDRom backwards and it plays Satanic messages. But that's nothing, play it forwards and it installs Windows."
[03:14] <mark_> hi everyone, I'm having a problem with pam_ldap...
[03:14] <mark_> from /var/log/auth.log (client) "Invalid user maksym from ::ffff:127.0.0.1"
[03:14] <mark_> more info at: http://pastebin.com/328874
[03:14] <equex> i lost my keymappings and cant seem to work it out,. so i have to boot into windows to write letters in my native language
[03:14] <mark_> can someone help me?
[03:14] <_SWAT_> Madpilot, ROFL!
[03:15] <vader1102> mark_: if they know the answer they will tell you
[03:15] <Madpilot> _SWAT_: that was somebody's sig line on a forum somewhere - no idea where it came from originally. anyway, </MS bashing>
[03:15] <vader1102> trust me (great people in here)
[03:15] <DiegoMax> what are the minimum system requeriments to run ubuntu?
[03:16] <equex> windows is a damn stable desktop OS... worse wjhen it comes to servers tho
[03:16] <benplaut> DiegoMax: what's your system?
[03:16] <mark_> vader1102: I don't doubt it, thats why I'm here
[03:16] <_SWAT_> vader1102, just be 'normal' with the ordering of the Ubuntu CD's. Making them, packaging them etc. costs a lot of money. Keep that in mind :D
[03:16] <dockane> this is the debian screenshot : http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3430/debff8aw.png  --------- and this the ubuntu screenshot : http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/2890/ubuntuff2cd.png ------ what did ubuntu changed / where do i have to look for ?
[03:16] <DiegoMax> i have a good system, but i was wondering if i can install it on an old AMD450Mhz laptop...???
[03:16] <vader1102> _SWAT_: no worries lol
[03:17] <benplaut> DiegoMax: yeah, but i recommend XFCE instead of Gnome for older systems
[03:17] <DiegoMax> ok, is that selectable from the Installation?
[03:17] <_SWAT_> dockane, maybe another (standard) system font/size?
[03:17] <vader1102> DiegMax: I am using it on a p2 366 right now with GNOME
[03:17] <benplaut> although, to tell you the truth, Gnome runs OK on 500mhz machines
[03:17] <benplaut> whoa
[03:17] <benplaut> that's pretty amazing...
[03:17] <_SWAT_> benplaut, really?
[03:17] <vader1102> and it runs great!!!!
[03:18] <DiegoMax> interesting
[03:18] <_SWAT_> that's really amazing
[03:18] <benplaut> is it fast enough for general use?
[03:18] <Buffy> any pointers to a PCI-E howto?
[03:18] <_SWAT_> and XFCE is pretty 'light' (I use it because it's usually faster :P)
[03:18] <benplaut> !xfce
[03:18] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, xfce is a lightweight Desktop Environment that uses GTK. to install, "sudo apt-get install xfce4". http://www.xfce.org/
[03:18] <benplaut> i use it on my PDA :)
[03:18] <Buffy> !pci-e
[03:18] <ubotu> Buffy: I give up, what is it?
[03:18] <Buffy> PCI express
[03:19] <benplaut> !pci-express
[03:19] <ubotu> benplaut: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[03:19] <benplaut> hmm
[03:19] <_SWAT_> benplaut, cool. It's it standard or did you 'hack' it?
[03:19] <benplaut> what?
[03:19] <Buffy> benplaut - exactly. -   :?
[03:19] <benplaut> oh the PDA
[03:19] <Shinikake> hi everyone, i'm looking for documentation on using ndiswrapper, it seems their wiki is down.  can anyone direct me to some documentation?
[03:19] <_SWAT_> yeah
[03:19] <dockane> _SWAT_, the font configuration on both gnome desktops is the same
[03:19] <vader1102> I am almost possitive that my windows buddies will be amazed, I know the Linux pro;s I know are
[03:19] <_SWAT_> dockane, do  you use the same graphics drivers?
[03:19] <benplaut> _SWAT_ it's a zaurus, so a little bit of tweaking is required to give it X, and put on XFCE
[03:20] <benplaut> !ndiswrapper
[03:20] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[03:20] <benplaut> Shinikake: ^^
[03:20] <Shinikake> thanks alot!
[03:20] <Madpilot> vader1102: the LiveCD is a great selling tool - just keep reminding people that it won't affect their harddrive or installed OS at all
[03:20] <benplaut> !thanks from Shinikake
[03:20] <ubotu> benplaut: pas de quoi
[03:20] <_SWAT_> benplaut, hehehe, would be nice if it was a PALM or something :D. Could post a picture of your zaurus sometime? (with xfce?) :D
[03:21] <dockane> _SWAT_, nope : the ubuntu system runs a nvidia card, the debian an ati but that shouldn mess it up like this doesnt it ?
[03:21] <benplaut> sure... i'm trying to figure out how to do a screenshot :P
[03:21] <Kyral> f-spot BUG!!!
[03:21] <vader1102> Madpilot: I here ya
[03:21] <Kyral> !bugzilla
[03:21] <palandia> hi there
[03:21] <ubotu> rumour has it, bugzilla is http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[03:21] <_SWAT_> Madpilot, vader1102, PLEASE be carefull with the liveCD. It's kinda slow (in comparison to Knoppix)
[03:21] <Madpilot> _SWAT_: be careful how?
[03:21] <gregg_> people might be negatively affected
[03:21] <vader1102> _SWAT_: I have been
[03:21] <benplaut> ubotu tell bitchchecker about hacker
[03:21] <_SWAT_> Madpilot, because it's really slow. That could be a downer for a lot of people
[03:21] <benplaut> :P
[03:22] <bitchchecker> lol
[03:22] <benplaut> :P
[03:22] <bitchchecker> that story is hilarious
[03:22] <vader1102> I use it only to show the capabilities
[03:22] <_SWAT_> benplaut, take a digicam and make a picture :P
[03:22] <Kyral> !info f-spot
[03:22] <palandia> anyone can help me configuring my X server please with UniChrome
[03:22] <ubotu> f-spot: (personal photo management application), section universe/gnome, is optional. Version: 0.0.12-0ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 519 kB, Installed size: 1940 kB
[03:22] <Madpilot> _SWAT_: hmm, true. although when I put the LiveCD into my grandfather's Win98 machine, it was about as fast as his badly-borked Win98 install... seriously!
[03:22] <benplaut> bah... can't show off the VGA screen like that :P
[03:22] <gregg_> why is it so slow? doesn't the ubuntu live-cd use a compressed filesystem, like knoppix?
[03:22] <palandia> please! help me!
[03:22] <_SWAT_> Madpilot, damn :-|
[03:22] <dockane> bitchchecker : its already translated into japanese / found it on a japanese blog
[03:22] <benplaut> ubotu tell palandia about xserver
[03:22] <InquiringMind> can somebody help me transfer songs from my iriver to my linux box?
[03:23] <gregg_> palandia: unichrome, as in via epia?
[03:23] <dockane> _SWAT_, no idea ?
[03:23] <benplaut> umm
[03:23] <_SWAT_> dockane, the drivers could be it though. Do have the original ATI drivers @ debian? Or the standard system drivers?
[03:23] <Razor-X> can you guys give me examples of popular Terminal emulators? I already know about Eterm, aterm, xterm,  Konsole, Terminal, rxvt, and urxvt
[03:23] <benplaut> i added that last night...
[03:23] <palandia> VIA/S3 Unichrome Graphics
[03:23] <Madpilot> _SWAT_: yeah, I was surprised, actually. I'd warned him it might be slow running off his CD drive, but it was pretty decent by his standards!
[03:23] <benplaut> !xorg
[03:23] <palandia> VIA/S3 Unichrome Graphics
[03:23] <ubotu> benplaut: I don't know
[03:23] <Kyral> Anyone else have this, install f-spot but not have Mono pulled in?
[03:23] <dockane> _SWAT_, original drivers
[03:23] <bgstratt> funny
[03:23] <benplaut> !xserver-xorg
[03:23] <ubotu> benplaut: I haven't a clue
[03:23] <gregg_> palandia: basically works out of the box
[03:23] <benplaut> damn
[03:23] <palandia> K8m800
[03:23] <Razor-X> no examples? or did no-one hear me? ;)
[03:23] <dockane> _SWAT_, but the problem existed with the system drivers too
[03:23] <Razor-X> oooh
[03:24] <gregg_> if you want DRI it's a bit of work though
[03:24] <_SWAT_> dockane, then I don't know sorry.
[03:24] <Madpilot> InquiringMind:  what happens when you just plug the iRiver in?
[03:24] <Razor-X> my last sentence was the 280,000th line XD
[03:24] <palandia> i didnt understood that   out of the box?
[03:24] <palandia> i didnt understood that   out of the box?
[03:24] <glick> hmm im trying to connect to my schools imap server but i cant through evolution
[03:24] <benplaut> !xconfig
[03:24] <ubotu> benplaut: I don't know, could you explain it?
[03:24] <airmikey> trying o compile this program but i get this error after i do   ./configure ... error: Could not find XpmReadFileToPixmap in -lXpm.
[03:24] <gregg_> palandia: you don't need to do anything special to get it wo work. it should just work [tm] 
[03:24] <glick> Error while Scanning folders in "IMAP server imap.mail.drexel.edu".
[03:24] <glick> Cannot get LIST information for pattern `*' on IMAP server imap.mail.drexel.edu: Bad command.
[03:24] <Razor-X> glick: what is the error?
[03:24] <glick> i get that error
[03:24] <_SWAT_> benplaut, will you be making a screenie/photo of your zaurus? :D
[03:24] <Razor-X> glick: are you sure the IMAP server works?
[03:25] <benplaut> ubotu xserver is to reconfigure your Xserver, type into a terminal "sudo dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg" (without the "")
[03:25] <ubotu> benplaut: okay
[03:25] <palandia> i have done dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86
[03:25] <glick> Razor-X, i dont know
[03:25] <glick> lemme ping it
[03:25] <benplaut> _SWAT_ as soon as i figure out how, yup :P
[03:25] <Razor-X> glick: not just pinging
[03:25] <Razor-X> but, does the server daemon work right?
[03:25] <Slipaway172> the prime time glick, that is a funny show
[03:25] <Razor-X> (because, from what I can tell, evolution is sending the command ``LIST *'', and the server isn't understanding)
[03:25] <palandia> but when i do startx my screen goes unreadble it seems like a FB console but nothing readble
[03:25] <gregg_> palandia: so does it work then?
[03:25] <glick> i got 8% data los from the server
[03:25] <palandia> no
[03:25] <Razor-X> can you guys give me examples of popular Terminal emulators? I already know about Eterm, aterm, xterm,  Konsole, Terminal, rxvt, and urxvt
[03:25] <spanglesontoast> does anyone know if I can get amarok with podcasting?
[03:25] <gregg_> palandia: ah ok
[03:25] <palandia> my driver is vesa
[03:26] <benplaut> ubotu tell palandia about xserver
[03:26] <hosler> Can someone help me setup my externel sound card?
[03:26] <benplaut> !sound
[03:26] <ubotu> methinks sound is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[03:26] <gregg_> palandia: better try the "via" driver first
[03:26] <_SWAT_> benplaut, when you do. Please PM me the URL :)
[03:26] <palandia> and anything like an X server running
[03:26] <Razor-X> spanglesontoast: get amarok?
[03:26] <benplaut> _SWAT_ sure thing :)
[03:26] <palandia> i have warty
[03:26] <Razor-X> a podcast generally outputs in MP3 or OGG
[03:26] <spanglesontoast> no mean't like the latest one
[03:26] <spanglesontoast> it was saying about podcasting
[03:26] <palandia> and i do not have the option via in the dpkg-reconfigure
[03:26] <icewt> Razor-X, i don't think it's that popular, but i like pterm
[03:26] <Razor-X> icewt: thanks, i'll check it out
[03:26] <airmikey> well
[03:27] <hosler> Can someone help me setup my externel sound card?
[03:27] <glick> http://www.drexel.edu/irt/support/tips/outlook/outlookx5/outlookx5.html
[03:27] <bgstratt> wow, mad traffic in here
[03:27] <Razor-X> icewt: i'm trying to make a show that introduces the beginner to the command-line
[03:27] <gregg_> palandia: ok, that's too old. get hoary :)
[03:27] <benplaut> palandia: maybe hoary will work better?
[03:27] <skapple> is ubuntu linux unsecure at all?
[03:27] <Razor-X> bgstratt: this is pretty common ;)
[03:27] <bgstratt> I bet
[03:27] <glick> thats my schools tutorial that im following on setting up the client
[03:27] <palandia> ough
[03:27] <spanglesontoast> ah
[03:27] <spanglesontoast> dw
[03:27] <Razor-X> icewt: the more choices I can review, the better
[03:27] <Razor-X> glick: try Thunderbird, as a test as well
[03:27] <gregg_> skapple: it's like melting swiss cheese
[03:27] <palandia> how do i upgrade from warty to hoary?
[03:28] <palandia> i wont be able to download the iso of hoary
[03:28] <benplaut> palandia: do you have alot of settings or files in hoary?
[03:28] <benplaut> oh
[03:28] <gregg_> palandia: order or download the CD
[03:28] <Kyral> skapple, its VERY secure
[03:28] <palandia> homer: ough!
[03:28] <palandia> kakaka
[03:28] <gregg_> you can order it for free :)
[03:28] <benplaut> upgrade from warty to hoary is kinda borked, AFAIK
[03:28] <benplaut> gregg_: well, mine took 3 months, but anyway...
[03:28] <gregg_> benplaut: ouch :)
[03:28] <palandia> ok.... any good url to download hoary?
[03:28] <vader1102> benplaut: I did it with np
[03:28] <palandia> fast i mean
[03:29] <airmikey>  trying o compile this program but i get this error after i do   ./configure ... error: Could not find XpmReadFileToPixmap in -lXpm
[03:29] <benplaut> the torrent is pretty fast
[03:29] <bimberi> benplaut: is it? it worked ok for me (a few months ago admittedly)
[03:29] <william> the very nature of installing a different os makes upgrading foolhardy at best
[03:29] <glick> damn i have to install thunderbird
[03:29] <Razor-X> icewt: that term looks awesome
[03:29] <bungopolis> Having changed no system settings, my bootloader grub now just sits saying "GRUB _" at the top of the screen, with the "_" part flashing... what might have happened? I'm currently booting to the live CD to try and reinstall grub
[03:29] <Razor-X> I may just replace Eterm with pterm
[03:29] <bimberi> benplaut: the upgrade that is
[03:29] <glick> i was hoping in wouldnt have to
[03:29] <glick> im not a hige fan of tbird
[03:29] <palandia> is hoary the 5 ubuntu version?
[03:29] <avanspronsen> palandia: you just need to update /etc/apt/sources.list, replace warty with hoary
[03:29] <icewt> Razor-X, heh
[03:29] <william> grub... she be gone
[03:29] <benplaut> bimbiri: that's what i've heard in the forum... i never tried it myself
[03:29] <Razor-X> icewt: Eterm's image support is really nice
[03:29] <palandia> it is my first time with ubuntu
[03:30] <Razor-X> glick: just as a test
[03:30] <avanspronsen> palandia: then do a sudo apt-get update and then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:30] <palandia> and i will be upgraded to ?????? hoary? ubuntu 5? are them the same?
[03:30] <vader1102> hehehe I just sold a system where I volunteer today with the warty release
[03:30] <avanspronsen> palandia: hoary is 5.04
[03:30] <Razor-X> icewt: is it in the repos, because the downloads aren't there
[03:31] <palandia> ok now i am clear...
[03:31] <bimberi> benplaut: hm ok - i used the process that avanspronsen has just outlined - it worked ok but an install from cd does look different
[03:31] <gregg_> skapple: actually, ubuntu has a backdoor so that canonical can spy on all its users!
[03:31] <gregg_> skapple: but don't tell that anyone!
[03:31] <william> gregg_, its linux ... all backdoors can be closed
[03:31] <vader1102> brb
[03:31] <icewt> Razor-X, should be
[03:31] <airmikey> anyone here running ,pekwm wm ?
[03:31] <william> simply write a rule for iptables
[03:31] <palandia> but upgrading with apt is the same than downloading the hoary iso?
[03:32] <benplaut> !lart warty
[03:32] <cafuego> william: With a proper bckdoor, iptables won't help much.
[03:32] <gregg_> palandia: you'll probably download less stuff
[03:32] <benplaut> palandia: in theory...
[03:32] <william> cafuego, nonsense
[03:32] <Madpilot> benplaut: cool. when did ubotu learn to do that?
[03:32] <avanspronsen> palandia: should be, I haven't done any kinda side by side comparison though
[03:32] <william> if I close the door you aint opening it
[03:32] <gregg_> william: yeah right. the rootkit is directly integrated into the customized kernel.
[03:33] <cafuego> william: In the kenrel, bypass the ipt rules. Easy.
[03:33] <bimberi> palandia: it should be.  My experience was that my system was a little different to a native hoary install - but it worked fine
[03:33] <supernix> Help my Gnome and KDE seems to be trying to interoperate at the same time
[03:33] <icewt> Razor-X, ..and if you didn't really try it but used for example google to search for it, pterm is not pTerm, which is that opengl thing google seems to show first
[03:33] <benplaut> !tell madpilot about lart
[03:33] <palandia> and the apt upgrade will upgrade all my kernel files and the other stuff?
[03:33] <palandia> i have an amd64
[03:33] <palandia> so i have downlaoded the warty for amd64 iso
[03:33] <Madpilot> cafuego: does ubotu keep basic records of how many times it's used various responses?
[03:33] <benplaut> it should...
[03:33] <supernix> I have the default desktop wallpaper even thought I am running KDE and it wont let me change it in the Control pannel
[03:33] <Razor-X> icewt: I see
[03:33] <cafuego> !factinfo repos
[03:33] <ubotu> repos -- created by Hieronymus <~Hieronymu@cp413115-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl> at Sat Jul  9 22:04:59 2005 (25 days); it has been requested 67 times, last by Buffy, 51m 29s ago.
[03:34] <palandia> does hoary has the amd64 iso?
[03:34] <william> ok whatever... if you think you can get in without leaving a record of your visit down to the last byte... give it a shot
[03:34] <icewt> Razor-X, but pterm is in universe
[03:34] <palandia> anyway the upgrade with apt will upgrade my kernel for amd64?
[03:34] <bungopolis> can anyone give me a hand restoring my GRUB installation? It seems to have been corrupted somehow. The live CD does not have the grub install tool. Can I boot to the install disc and skip directly to the install bootloader section?
[03:34] <Razor-X> another term i'm seeing is wterm...
[03:34] <cafuego> william: No, it's illegal. Anyway,I'm talking hypothetical. it can be done.
[03:34] <gregg_> palandia: yeah
[03:34] <Razor-X> ddterm
[03:34] <bimberi> palandia: yes
[03:34] <william> if you leave a trail I can shut it down
[03:34] <avanspronsen> palandia: yes
[03:34] <benplaut> the best terminal is xfterm :)
[03:34] <william> period
[03:34] <gregg_> palandia: like said, it *should* :)
[03:34] <palandia> thank you guys
[03:34] <gregg_> no guarantees here :)
[03:34] <palandia> i will be upgrading my system
[03:35] <icewt> Razor-X, never heard of that pTerm before the google search i just did ;)
[03:35] <palandia> thamkyou very much
[03:35] <william> yes theoretically you can get in until the port sniffer finds the traffic
[03:35] <bimberi> palandia: yw :) good luck
[03:35] <Razor-X> benplaut: it's not in the repos (as far as I can tell)
[03:35] <Madpilot> cafuego: so "factinfo <foo>" then? thanks
[03:35] <william> then it shut down or forwarded
[03:35] <cafuego> Madpilot: Yep
[03:35] <william> and yer outa luck
[03:35] <supernix> cafuego: hypothetically anything if possible
[03:35] <palandia> bye bye
[03:35] <awb4422> I am installing mythtv, and the installer creates a mythtv user - I added the user to the sudo'ers list, but I want it to use the same shell as a normal user created during the install. how do I change that?
[03:35] <benplaut> Razor-X: apt-get install xterminal
[03:35] <bigfoot1> hello everyone. i'm leaving my home soon and I need quick help. I'd like to be able to access my ubuntu computer from halfway accross the world. I heard i could install 2 programs called VNC and FreeNX. AFter I install them, what do i do?
[03:35] <benplaut> the name is different
[03:35] <Razor-X> benplaut: ohhh, xterminal
[03:35] <cafuego> william: With the right kernel hack, the portsniffer can be made to not report certain traffic.
[03:35] <Madpilot> cafuego: just thinking of getting some stats to apply to other Ubuntu projects - you know, "what do people actually ask about"
[03:35] <benplaut> !factinfo ubotu
[03:35] <ubotu> ubotu -- created by Madpilot <~yh728@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net> 21h 3m 59s ago; it has been requested 2 times, last by apokryphos, 1h 43m 29s ago.
[03:35] <supernix> that is why they call it hypothesis instead of fact
[03:36] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, I would also recommend a SSH server (to encrypt the data)
[03:36] <Razor-X> benplaut: be careful, I call my emacs shell Esh, but, that already exists ;)
[03:36] <gregg_> william: and I guess you are constantly looking a gigs of data flowing through your net, just waiting for something like that?
[03:36] <icewt> Razor-X, there's no cool whistles and bells in pterm, maybe that's why i like it
[03:36] <Kyral> !lart Windows
[03:36] <avanspronsen> bigfoot1: do you have a firewall?
[03:36] <Razor-X> so I have to call it by the full name, Eshell
[03:36] <william> gregg_, not gigs no...
[03:36] <cafuego> Madpilot: *nod* I can probably do that for you via sql a bit easier; just have a 'popular factoids' page on the bot website.
[03:36] <benplaut> Kyral: sweeeet...
[03:36] <Kyral> Go GO GADGET UBOTU!
[03:36] <Razor-X> icewt: Eterm has nice background support, and pseudo-transperancy
[03:36] <Kyral> !lart Windows
[03:36] <benplaut> !lart ubotu
[03:36] <Madpilot> cafuego: that would be interesting to see
[03:36] <Razor-X> I have a few gripes with Eterm though
[03:36] <icewt> Razor-X, which is kind of useless ;)
[03:36] <benplaut> hey!
[03:36] <william> but the firewall appliance is constantly monitoring traffic and comparing it with legitimate demand
[03:36] <Kyral> lol
[03:36] <Razor-X> some stuff doesen't display right
[03:36] <bimberi> lol
[03:37] <cafuego> Madpilot: Just a minute..
[03:37] <bigfoot1> _SWAT_, okay thanks. i did a search on synaptic for "vnc", but there are many files with the letters "vnc" in them. i have gotten already vnc-common and xvncviewer. should i get other vnc-named files?
[03:37] <Razor-X> icewt: well, why aren't you using rxvt then?
[03:37] <Kyral> !lart Ubotu
[03:37] <benplaut> i used to live an hour from luisville!
[03:37] <glick> too bad that gmail does not support imap
[03:37] <Kyral> Ah
[03:37] <Razor-X> and also, backspace registers as C-h
[03:37] <bigfoot1> avanspronsen, i heard ubuntu/linux is safe, so i have no firewall running.
[03:37] <Kyral> simple, nice, stab
[03:37] <Razor-X> glick: gmail supports POP3, IIRC
[03:37] <icewt> Razor-X, haven't tried it. pterm works great
[03:37] <Razor-X> bigfoot1: more safe than Windows can ever be
[03:37] <Kyral> hmm
[03:37] <gregg_> william: yeah ok, so one could be detected
[03:37] <glick> yeah but pop sucks cause if your computer dies so does all your email
[03:37] <william> it usually forwards unwarranted port requests to a dump log that is checked if certain flags are set
[03:37] <william> oh yeah
[03:37] <bigfoot1> do i have to install other vnc files?
[03:37] <bigfoot1> which ones?
[03:38] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, if you use Ubuntu you have a remote sofware thingie installed (it's vnc based, so you can use any vnc viewer)
[03:38] <william> and with detection comes ending
[03:38] <hosler> Can someone help me setup my externel sound card?
[03:38] <avanspronsen> bigfoot1: I would still run a firewall.  I have a hardware based firewall as well
[03:38] <gregg_> william: but what's "legitimate demand"?
[03:38] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, you just need to tunnel it using SSH (otherwise all the world can look too)
[03:38] <benplaut> !factinfo microsoft
[03:38] <ubotu> microsoft -- created by benplaut <~benplaut@cpe-66-8-184-56.hawaii.res.rr.com> 17h 30m 7s ago.
[03:38] <cs378> anyonw know what to install for the python editor?
[03:38] <Razor-X> icewt: Eterm, with images, uses quite a bit less memory  than rxvt, considered the smallest ;)
[03:38] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, a firewall VERY recommended
[03:38] <benplaut> !factinfo windows
[03:38] <ubotu> windows -- created by tiglionabbit <~nick@c-67-171-159-205.hsd1.or.comcast.net> at Wed Jul  6 19:15:16 2005 (28 days); it has been requested 21 times, last by Amaranth, 4d 3h 20m 33s ago.
[03:38] <bigfoot1> _SWAT_, so i don't need to do anything to my computer anymore? I could access my Ubuntu hard drive (here in Japan) from my family's computer in North America?
[03:38] <william> well trying to sneak in a port not used for general traffic or coming up the downstream of auto updaters
[03:38] <bigfoot1> _SWAT_, how do i tunnel it?
[03:38] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, System -> Preferences -> Remote Desktop
[03:38] <Kyral> !info Windows
[03:38] <Razor-X> I like images in the background, because, staring at a blank term all day is maddening ;)
[03:39] <william> attempts at stealth
[03:39] <william> etc etc
[03:39] <avanspronsen> bigfoot1: Freenx is much better than VNC
[03:39] <gregg_> that's very general
[03:39] <Kyral> !lart Bill_Gates
[03:39] <Razor-X> avanspronsen: but muhc harder to install
[03:39] <spanglesontoast> is there any podcasting clients in the repos?
[03:39] <glick> what port does imap mail listen on?
[03:39] <Razor-X> !lart Steve Jobs
[03:39] <avanspronsen> Razor-X: I installed in 10 seconds just today
[03:39] <bigfoot1> i don't see freenx in synaptic, avanspronsen
[03:39] <william> the best way to access a closed box is to simulate legitimate traffic and NOT try to sneak in the backdoor
[03:39] <benplaut> OK, OK.... don't crash the bot :P
[03:39] <gregg_> the rootkit could just make a ssh connection to somewhere. what's not "legitimate" about it?
[03:39] <Razor-X> avanspronsen: it's proven to be difficult on non-UNIX machines
[03:39] <avanspronsen> bigfoot1: you need to add hoary extra repos
[03:39] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, if you have a SSH server running and the Remote Desktop enabled (with password offcourse) you can login to your PC using SSH (with which  you can also tunnel it) and then connect with a VNC viewer to the localhost and it's done
[03:40] <Kyral> Okay, I fell ashamed asking this, but what does renice 20 -u do?
[03:40] <Razor-X> Kyral: man ;)
[03:40] <Kyral> !lart Microsoft
[03:40] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, the tunnel is created by the CLIENT (so from America)
[03:40] <avanspronsen> Razor-X: the server or the client?
[03:40] <Razor-X> avanspronsen: I don't think the server is installable on Windows
[03:40] <william> ok now... lets talk ubuntu and the disabled root acct gregg_
[03:40] <avanspronsen> Razor-X: the client was dream to install on windows
[03:40] <Razor-X> oh, my bad then ;)
[03:40] <oni> how do I install from a .bin file?
[03:40] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, just make sure you can CONNECT to your computer using SSH and that the remote server thingie is running
[03:40] <gregg_> lol
[03:40] <bigfoot1> what command EXACTLY do i run to get sudo access to my sources.list?
[03:41] <glick> do you know what port imap mail uses by default?
[03:41] <icewt> Razor-X, however, pterm is based on putty, and butty = good ;)
[03:41] <gregg_> william: yeah ok. what about it?
[03:41] <icewt> er.. putty
[03:41] <glick> im trying to connect to the mail daemon using telnet
[03:41] <Razor-X> icewt: yeah, I saw that
[03:41] <bigfoot1> _SWAT_, how do i know whether the remote server (on my ubuntu) is running?
[03:41] <spanglesontoast> is there any podcasting clients in the repos?
[03:41] <skapple> can a vesa frambuffer do 1280x1024?
[03:41] <avanspronsen> bigfoot1: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:41] <Razor-X> Putty's pretty nice
[03:41] <benplaut> bigfoot1: "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list"
[03:41] <william> how are you going to root kit that?
[03:41] <william> you have to have keyboard access
[03:41] <Razor-X> spanglesontoast: use bashpodder, it's all you'll ever need
[03:42] <gregg_> william: it's not really hard to reactivate the root account
[03:42] <_SWAT_> Go to SYSTEM - PREFERENCES - REMOTE DESKTOP. If you enable sharing and require a password it's OK (it's already up and running)
[03:42] <bigfoot1> what line do i add to sources list to get hoary extra repos?
[03:42] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, Go to SYSTEM - PREFERENCES - REMOTE DESKTOP. If you enable sharing and require a password it's OK (it's already up and running)
[03:42] <tiglionabbit> does beep-media-player and xmms use binary codecs or gstreamer?
[03:42] <Razor-X> spanglesontoast: I use one of the bashpodder modifications in the modifications place on the site
[03:42] <avanspronsen> bigfoot1: there is some doc on the wiki...I don;t have it on me :-(
[03:42] <jode> does any one know anything about "Wine"?
[03:42] <bigfoot1> _SWAT_, okay, i have checks in all the boxes in the Remote Desktop dialog window.
[03:42] <william> but the whole point of my argument, gregg_ is that you dont need to backdoor someone to climb up their pipe
[03:42] <Razor-X> jode: I've never drunk Wine, but i've used WINE ;)
[03:43] <spanglesontoast> so I cannot get ipodder
[03:43] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, just enable the two things under SHARING (remote desktop) and set a password under security (DON'T enable 'ask you for confirmation')
[03:43] <bigfoot1> avanspronsen, if i have checks in all the boxes in the Remote Desktop dialog window, i don't need freenx, do i?
[03:43] <gregg_> william: but it doesn't even matter as you can do about everything with sudo. if you can insmod, you have total control
[03:43] <oni> anyone knows the commands for installing java from a .bin file?
[03:43] <jode> I am having trouble with it.
[03:43] <bigfoot1> _SWAT_,  what happens IF i enable "ask you for confirmation"?
[03:43] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, DON'T check "ask you for confirmation"
[03:43] <Razor-X> spanglesontoast: it's not in the repos, and it needs a billion python packages
[03:43] <gregg_> william: the whole backdoor thing was a joke
[03:43] <avanspronsen> bigfoot1: not if you are happy with VNC
[03:43] <spanglesontoast> so you like it and tried it I get it lol
[03:43] <Razor-X> jode: shoot
[03:43] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, then if someone wants to connect the user logged in needs to click something or so
[03:43] <bungopolis> ...my GRUB has somehow become corrupted. Can anybody _please_ give me a hand in restoring it? I'm running the installer in expert mode but trying to install grub always fails, presumably becuase I haven't completed any of the earlier steps.
[03:43] <Razor-X> spanglesontoast: I didn't like it
[03:43] <gregg_> william: skapple asked this ridiculous question :)
[03:44] <spanglesontoast> ah
[03:44] <Razor-X> s/like/try/
[03:44] <spanglesontoast> so it will work
[03:44] <spanglesontoast> ?
[03:44] <glick> you think the sys admin would get mad if i nmapped the mail server?
[03:44] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, and make sure you have and SSH-server isntalled and running (and you can log in to it from the internet)
[03:44] <Razor-X> bungopolis: what is the error?
[03:44] <william> oh...
[03:44] <Razor-X> glick: doubt it
[03:44] <InquiringMind> can somebody help me to get my iriver to work so that I can transfer files with nautilus?
[03:44] <Razor-X> but why?
[03:44] <jode> I can get it to open Adobe photoshop, but I can't put in any info and key- it won't type in anything.
[03:44] <bigfoot1> avanspronsen, i am not familiar with any remote desktop software, this is my first time doing remote desktop/remote access. I just want a nice non-geeky way (read: graphical) to access my ubuntu PC (here in Japan) from my family's Windows XP pc (in North AMerica).
[03:44] <william> so you really dont think the ubuntu dev team installed a sneak door?
[03:44] <Razor-X> aren't you just checking for the working-ness of the IMAP daemon?
[03:44] <bungopolis> Razor-X when I boot up I just get a black screen with "GRUB _" in the top left (the _ is flashing) and it stalls forever
[03:44] <bungopolis> having changed nothing to my configuration
[03:44] <bigfoot1> _SWAT_, how do i know if i f ssh-server installed and running?
[03:44] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, you NEED an SSH tunnel, otherwise even your passwords are sent in cleartext :S
[03:44] <cafuego> Madpilot: www.ubuntu.cc.com.au/pop.php
[03:45] <gregg_> william: of course not
[03:45] <william> ok ...
[03:45] <glick> hmm port 143 is open imap but when i do telnet the.server.name:43
[03:45] <Razor-X> bungopolis: what's the error in grub-install ?
[03:45] <glick> i get unknown service
[03:45] <Razor-X> glick: the.server.name:143 ;)
[03:45] <Buffy> InquiringMind, - i am a bit new but dmesg will give you info on whether the os sees your iriver.
[03:45] <InquiringMind> thanks buffy
[03:45] <f_newton> oh lordy I just realized I have two xchats running... lol
[03:45] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, "apt-get install openssh-server" I guess
[03:46] <Razor-X> InquiringMind: what's the problem with the iRiver?
[03:46] <bigfoot1> _swat_ when i'm on my family's windows pc, how do i locate my ubuntu pc (here in Japan)? Do i have to write down some technical info?
[03:46] <avanspronsen> bigfoot1: VNC will do, FreeNX is nicer and more responsive.  Just make sure you go over SSH
[03:46] <Madpilot> cafuego: thanks very much. as I suspected: RootSude & repos right at the top, and the various restricted formats
[03:46] <TheSin> is there a know problems with dhclient3 in breezy?
[03:46] <glick> Razor-X, thats what i do
[03:46] <Razor-X> bigfoot1: you need to write down the IP
[03:46] <william> I am gonna shut this one down...
[03:46] <bungopolis> Raxor-X: when I first select "Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk" it says "The grub package failed to install into /target/. etc. etc. Continue anyway?" Press yes, no to MBR, choose to install to /dev/sda5, then it simply errors "An installation step failed with no helpful information"
[03:46] <_SWAT_> I use this way (SSH and VNC/remote desktop) to connect to my home pc from school. :)
[03:46] <glick> i get this...
[03:46] <glick> telnet: could not resolve 144.118.31.17:143/telnet: Name or service not known
[03:46] <bigfoot1> Razor-X, my ubuntu's ip? how do i find out my IP?
[03:46] <bimberi> bigfoot1: to see if it's running - ps aux | grep sshd
[03:46] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, you NEED the IP offcourse
[03:46] <f_newton> heh thats better
[03:46] <cafuego> Madpilot: Yeah, that's what all th windows kids need. divx and root!
[03:46] <spanglesontoast> god I'm compiling gaim-pt
[03:46] <Razor-X> bungopolis: have you tried ``grub-install /dev/hddX'' ?
[03:46] <spanglesontoast> how long.......
[03:46] <bungopolis> Raxor-X: I mean it says "An installation step failed..." with no other helpful information
[03:46] <bigfoot1> bimberi, the command i run is  - ps aux | grep sshd?
[03:47] <Razor-X> where hddx is the address to your hdd
[03:47] <avanspronsen> bigfoot1: from a terminal type ifconfig to get your ip
[03:47] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, is it the only machine connected there? (no router whatsoever) and does it use a static IP?
[03:47] <Razor-X> bigfoot1: ``ifconfig''
[03:47] <Madpilot> cafuego: pretty much!
[03:47] <Razor-X> bigfoot1: or, www.whatismyip.com ;)
[03:47] <bungopolis> Razor-X grub-install command cannot be found from the install CD terminal
[03:47] <bimberi> bigfoot1: ps aux | grep sshd   (to see if it is running yes)
[03:47] <Buffy> cafuego - java, flash, and active-x, surfing as root. ;)
[03:47] <bigfoot1> _SWAT_, yes this is the only computer in my japan home. there is no router. i don't know if it uses static ip.
[03:47] <Buffy> j/k
[03:47] <oni> anyone knows the commands for installing java from a .bin file?
[03:47] <bungopolis> Razor-X I suppose I could boot to the live CD and download grub-install, eh?
[03:48] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, it is DSL or Cable internet or dialup?
[03:48] <Mechcozmo> question about the bootloader
[03:48] <Buffy> lol
[03:48] <glick> never mind im an idiot it does work
[03:48] <Mechcozmo> i'm "upgrading
[03:48] <glick> lol
[03:48] <Mechcozmo> "
[03:48] <Mechcozmo> to Win2K from WinXP
[03:48] <Mechcozmo> how do i update bootloader?
[03:48] <spanglesontoast> you go in and edit it
[03:48] <bigfoot1> _SWAT_, it's not dialup. it's like dsl, i think.
[03:48] <TheSin> maybe a bad driver?
[03:48] <cafuego> Mechcozmo: That's a windows question, no?
[03:48] <benplaut> !grub
[03:48] <ubotu> [grub]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto
[03:48] <Mechcozmo> er
[03:48] <bigfoot1> _SWAT_, it's a high speed, always on connection.
[03:48] <Code_Dark> YAY
[03:48] <Code_Dark> YAY
[03:49] <glick> ok it works
[03:49] <Code_Dark> ubuntu (livecd) works with my wifi card
[03:49] <Code_Dark> yayayay
[03:49] <glick> never mind im an idiot
[03:49] <glick> lol
[03:49] <Code_Dark> <3 ubuntu now
[03:49] <Mechcozmo> cafuego, since Windows didnt install a bootloader...
[03:49] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, then I think you have a static IP. www.whatsmyip.org gives you your IP (check if it's the same as "ifconfig" says)
[03:49] <Code_Dark> windex|coding: thank you <3
[03:49] <icewt> bigfoot1, you could use http://www.dyndns.com/services/dns/dyndns/
[03:49] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, --> I NEED to know this
[03:49] <Buffy> Mechcozmo, Easier to edit it there are a bunch of examples to follow. ubotu has the link
[03:49] <cafuego> Mechcozmo: Normlly it would overwrite the MBR.
[03:49] <Buffy> !grub
[03:49] <ubotu> well, grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto
[03:49] <DRPAS> hi there
[03:49] <windex|coding> Code_Dark, yay.
[03:49] <bigfoot1> _SWAT_, what do you need to know ?
[03:49] <DRPAS> i guys
[03:49] <Code_Dark> windex|coding: straight off the livecd, too, doesnt even req. me to reload anything
[03:49] <Mechcozmo> so, will Windows hose GRUB?
[03:49] <Code_Dark> :)
[03:49] <DRPAS> i am upgrading my distro trough apt
[03:49] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, then I think you have a static IP. www.whatsmyip.org gives you your IP (check if it's the same as "ifconfig" says)
[03:49] <cafuego> Mechcozmo: Yes.
[03:50] <Mechcozmo> and to un-hose it?
[03:50] <windex|coding> Code_Dark, didn't mean to scare you off, just wanted you to know there could be a hiccup since it's very easy for people to say something is outright supported.
[03:50] <cafuego> Mechcozmo: So after the windows install, boot off cd, reinstall grub, add windows back to menu.lst.
[03:50] <Mechcozmo> ok
[03:50] <bigfoot1> yes, whatsmyip.org gives same IP address as ifconfig.
[03:50] <Mechcozmo> ill ask for help when i get there :-p
[03:50] <Madpilot> !windows
[03:50] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, windows is Everything runs in linux. Choose your emulator: Cedega, Wine, VMware, Qemu, Xen, CrossOver Office, or find an !alternative
[03:51] <benplaut> !alternative
[03:51] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, alternative is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant
[03:51] <glick> in evolution how can i automatically teach it what is junk and have it automatically send it to the junk folder
[03:51] <benplaut> ahh
[03:51] <spanglesontoast> when I have compiled a program how do I make it into a .deb?
[03:51] <glick> does evolution learn to identify junk?
[03:51] <benplaut> spanglesontoast: make checkinstall
[03:51] <spanglesontoast> that's it?
[03:51] <Buffy> Mech, - absolutely - there is a way to use the ntloader. - takes a bit of work one time but it saves time later. with windows reinstalls. use dd to copy the first 512 bytes of your working linux mbr - google ntloader boot.lnx
[03:51] <bigfoot1> bimberi, jeff@ubuntu:~$ ps aux | grep sshd
[03:51] <bigfoot1> jeff       933  0.0  0.2   3768   720 pts/1    S+   10:52   0:00 grep sshd
[03:51] <spanglesontoast> sounds easy
[03:51] <spanglesontoast> :)
[03:51] <bigfoot1> bimberi, does this mean it's running?
 Code_Dark, didn't mean to scare you off, just wanted you to know there could be a hiccup since it's very easy for people to say something is outright supported.
[03:52] <benplaut> how hard is it, in ubuntu PPC, to set it up so that the computer can log in to a Windows server, like you can log in from any one the windows computers?
[03:52] <benplaut> brb
[03:52] <Code_Dark> you didnt, i just had to wait for the livecd to download, windex|coding :p
[03:52] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, then I think you have a static IP. www.whatsmyip.org gives you your IP (check if it's the same as "ifconfig" says) and tell me
[03:52] <windex|coding> Code_Dark, :D
[03:52] <spanglesontoast> makes me wonder what the ppc version is liek
[03:52] <bigfoot1> _SWAT_, yes whatsmyip.org gives same ip number as ifconfig.
[03:53] <bimberi> bigfoot1: no it isn't running - if you try the command again you'll probably get no result
[03:53] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, that's a good thing. Then you won't need to do port-forwarding (saves a lot of work)
[03:53] <spanglesontoast> www.portforward.com
[03:53] <spanglesontoast> :)
[03:53] <_SWAT_> spanglesontoast, I know. But now don't confuse him (he doens't need it)
[03:53] <bigfoot1> bimberi, i ran that same command  again, and i got some results again. i guess this is good? or isn't it good?
[03:53] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, and as icewt says, dyndns could be a good solution
[03:54] <spanglesontoast> oh
[03:54] <spanglesontoast> what he just got a modem
[03:54] <spanglesontoast> ?
[03:54] <DRPAS> a quetion please
[03:54] <DRPAS> i have warty
[03:54] <_SWAT_> spanglesontoast, if he has a dialup (or at least dynamic IP) then he NEEDS dyndns
[03:54] <bigfoot1> i'm on the http://www.dyndns.com/services/dns/dyndns/ site, what do i do now? sorry, i'm so rushed. i have no time to browse around.
[03:54] <DRPAS> my install cd has download 203 mb after instalation
[03:54] <spanglesontoast> lol dialup is along way in the usa lol
[03:54] <bimberi> bigfoot1: it doesn't matter.  The important thing is that you don't have a line with "/usr/sbin/sshd" in it.  That would indicate that it is running.
[03:55] <DRPAS> now i am upgrading distro via apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:55] <bigfoot1> bimberi, so what must i do now? would i still have access to my ubuntu pc even without ssh running?
[03:55] <DRPAS> and it says that will download 49 mb
[03:55] <Buffy> !ubotu pci-express is http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2005/04/msg00545.html (yep it's vague and awful but ubuntu wiki is empty.) cafuego ?
[03:55] <ubotu> Buffy: okay
[03:55] <DRPAS> after that i will be with hoary??
[03:56] <Kyral> !lart Dial-Up
[03:56] <bimberi> bigfoot1: sudo apt-get install ssh  (will install it)
[03:56] <Kyral> !lart Vista
[03:56] <spanglesontoast> hopefully drpas
[03:56] <DRPAS> hello?
[03:56] <TheSin> anyone ever see this?
[03:56] <TheSin> RTNETLINK answers: Cannot assign requested address
[03:56] <TheSin> during dhcp
[03:57] <Kyral> DRPAS, assuming you have the right repos, YES!
[03:57] <DRPAS> the repos that came in the Warty iso
[03:57] <Kyral> then no....
[03:57] <Kyral> those are the Warty repos
[03:57] <glick> do you have to keep evolution open for it to check for mail or does it have a little daemon that does it for you and notifies you?
[03:57] <DRPAS> but if i do a dist-upgrade?
[03:57] <bigfoot1> i've gotten a tar.gz file from http://www.dyndns.com/support/clients/. i guess i need this client to work with dyndns right? how do i install tar.gz files?
[03:57] <DRPAS> what it does then?
[03:58] <Kyral> do a sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and everywhere it says Warty put Hoary
[03:58] <bigfoot1> bimberi, okay. i've just gotten ssh.
[03:58] <Kyral> then save it
[03:58] <bigfoot1> bimberi, now what.
[03:58] <bungopolis> glick we wish it had a daemon!
[03:58] <bigfoot1> how do i run a tar.gz file?
[03:58] <DRPAS> aaaa ok
[03:58] <Kyral> THEN do the Dist-Upgrade
[03:58] <bigfoot1> run/install/work with  a tar.gz file
[03:58] <bimberi> bigfoot1: see if it has started with the ps command from earlier
[03:58] <DRPAS> and then what it id doing my dist-upgrade????????
[03:58] <DRPAS> with the warty repos?
[03:58] <Kyral> its upgrading to the latest stuff in Warty :P
[03:58] <bigfoot1> bimberi, jeff@ubuntu:~$ ps aux | grep sshd
[03:58] <bigfoot1> root      1107  0.0  0.5   3472  1508 ?        Ss   10:58   0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd
[03:58] <bigfoot1> jeff      1149  0.0  0.2   3768   720 pts/1    S+   10:59   0:00 grep sshd
[03:59] <bimberi> bigfoot1: there you are - it is running now :)
[03:59] <bigfoot1> bimberi, okay thanks. how do i install a tar.gz file+
[03:59] <bigfoot1> ?
[03:59] <DekaPink> Well... My Ubuntu's internet is working now... I reinstalled for lack of knowing anything better to do.
[03:59] <MrRagga> bigfoot1: usually tar xzvf FILE
[04:00] <oni> anyone knows the commands for installing java from a .bin file?
[04:00] <bigfoot1> when i'm on the windows pc (in canada), will i be able to access my ubuntu pc (in japan) in graphical mode?
[04:00] <Kyral> Got is DRPAS?
[04:00] <bungopolis> MrRagga that would be how to _extract_ a tar.gz file
[04:00] <bigfoot1> MrRagga, thank you.
[04:00] <MrRagga> bigfoot1: cd DIR && ./configure && make && make install <- depends on the installation, look for a README or a INSTALL, usually it is described there
[04:00] <besian> i can't find Synaptic Package manager (im new to Linux)
[04:00] <bigfoot1> MrRagga, i did usually tar xzvf FILE. is that all i need to do?
[04:00] <bimberi> bigfoot1: can i ask what you're installing from tar.gz?  If it's available in the ubuntu repositories it's much better to install from there
[04:01] <bungopolis> bigfoot1 a tar.gz file is just something like a zip file, it can contain anything. But it is very often used to package source for installation. extract the file as MrRagga mentioned, but you'd then need to enter the directory where it was extracted and read the README or INSTALL file. Usually it will just tell you to run "make" followed by "make install"
[04:01] <MrRagga> oni: chmod u+x BIN_FILE && ./BIN_FILE
[04:01] <Madpilot> besian: System - Admin - Synaptic Package Mngr
[04:01] <bigfoot1> bimberi, someone here recommended i get dynamicdns stuff from http://www.dyndns.com/support/clients/
[04:01] <whitefang> wine: '/home/tyler/.wine/wineserver-kwewu' must not be accessible by other users
[04:01] <whitefang> how do i make it not accessible to other users?
[04:01] <bimberi> bigfoot1: oh ok - i dunno much about that - fair enough :)
[04:02] <gregg_> whitefang: chmod 700 file
[04:02] <whitefang> what's the text flag for it?
[04:02] <whitefang> chmod g-r file?
[04:02] <besian> Madpilot thank you
[04:02] <oni> thanks!
[04:02] <gregg_> whitefang: go-rwx
[04:02] <bungopolis> bigfoot1 but in the debian/ubuntu world we tend to avoid that method of installation and look for deb (debian package files) instead. Always check your repositories with synaptic or "apt-cache search xxx", otherwise check online for a deb to download and install manually. THis way you can manage upgrades and uninstallation in a much easier way.
[04:02] <bimberi> bigfoot1: although I think there is a package for that - "ddclient"
[04:02] <test01> HELLO
[04:03] <bigfoot1> bimberi, bungopolis okay thanks. i'll delete the folder that tar .... installed. and then i'll get it from syncaptic
[04:03] <Kyral> test01, hello, please don't shout
[04:04] <bungopolis> bigfoot1: if it's not in synaptic check out http://www.apt-get.org/ for a great searchable site of deb files from many sources. If you find what you want,simply download it and run "sudo dpkg -i xxx.deb"
[04:04] <spanglesontoast> is nessus useful?
[04:04] <drcode> hi all
[04:04] <test01> install core what next?
[04:04] <drcode> I want to setup my voice modem as answer machine
[04:04] <drcode> Any one can help me?
[04:04] <bigfoot1> bungopolis, okay. good news. ddclient is in synaptic.
[04:05] <drcode> what is ddclient?
[04:05] <besian> where can i find a nice ubuntu guide?
[04:05] <Doonz> can you guys recomend a better cd ripper program than the one that come with ubuntu?
[04:05] <hondje> besian: ubuntuguide.org? But that's not the prefered method, the wiki is good
[04:05] <besian> thank you
[04:05] <bigfoot1> icewt, i got ddclient from synaptic and i chose dynadns as my host/whatever thingy. now what? it's asking for my "dynadns domain names".
[04:06] <hondje> drcode: Look into 'asterix'
[04:06] <Madpilot> besian: wiki.ubuntu.com to start
[04:06] <MrRagga> drcode: it sends your (dynamic) ip address to dydns.org or another dyndns provider, to set up a dns name for your IP address
[04:06] <Code_Dark> oh, wow.
[04:06] <test01> how to start the gui
[04:06] <besian> thank you
[04:06] <hondje> or 'asterisk' something like that
[04:06] <Code_Dark> i just booted up my ubuntu livecd.
[04:06] <Code_Dark> and tried my wifi outside.
[04:06] <Code_Dark> i really, really like ubuntu.
[04:06] <drcode> nice
[04:06] <HrdwrBoB> Code_Dark: good :)_
[04:06] <Code_Dark> i used to think that nix sucked for desktops.
[04:06] <Code_Dark> i've changed my mind.
[04:06] <hondje> Code_Dark: Welcome to the dark side
[04:06] <Gatton> Code_Dark, now it's time to install to the hard drive ;)
[04:06] <drcode> but I have regular modem of USR
[04:06] <drcode> why astrix?
[04:07] <MrRagga> Doomgaze: RipperX
[04:07] <holycow> Code_Dark, its all about polish, and slowly we are getting there
[04:07] <MrRagga> Doonz: RipperX
[04:07] <holycow> and as was said, yes, welcome to the dark side
[04:07] <MrRagga> Doomgaze: sorry
[04:07] <holycow> >_>
[04:07] <Doomgaze> MrRagga, np
[04:07] <hondje> drcode: it's what I used to set up my pbx, maybe their site can give you an idea of what software to use for it
[04:07] <drcode> what wrong with vgetty?
[04:07] <Code_Dark> Gatton: of course, I'm downloading the iso as we chat
[04:07] <glick> yah i guess the server is down
[04:08] <Code_Dark> holycow: it's the only OS (including Windows) that has supported my wifi card out of the box.
[04:08] <hondje> Nothing at all, I have no clue how much you know or don't know about what you need, so I pointed in the direction of a general solution
[04:08] <bigfoot1> icewt, i have registered for an account at dynadns.org. now what? how do i use ddclient with that?
[04:08] <weex> what's the best way to install wine on hedgehog?
[04:08] <Code_Dark> Gatton: yeah, I just wanted to try it before formatted over slackware :p
[04:08] <Gatton> Code_Dark, it's not perfect but it's awfully nice. i ran into a few kinks in the beginning but this room and the ubuntuguide are very helpful
[04:08] <holycow> Code_Dark, i haveto admit, that is very unusual
[04:08] <hondje> welcome back, bigfoot1, long time no see ;-)
[04:08] <weex> ne1 ne1?
[04:08] <Gatton> Code_Dark, understandable. I left Suse for Ubuntu :)
[04:09] <holycow> you lucked out with having a supported card, usually its like pulling teeth
[04:09] <kaffeend> heya
[04:09] <bigfoot1> hondje, yes, i've been using the ubuntu mailing list to get answers for the past few weeks. good to see you again.
[04:09] <icewt> bigfoot1, i don't know how it happens with that program. maybe there's a config file in /etc/ddclient ?
[04:09] <uniscript> Gatton: why the change? I'm trying to compare
[04:09] <holycow> but thats only because its about having access to open source drivers ... companies don't seem to understand how it benefits them to write open source drivers
[04:09] <weex> wine...has anyone installed it? what's the preferred way to get ahold of packages for ubuntu?
[04:09] <glick> something strange how come when i use the ip address i get immediate ping replys
[04:09] <glick> but when i use the name i get 100% loss
[04:10] <adkinsj> weex: I am trying to get wine going myself
[04:10] <Code_Dark> holycow: i don't care if it's unusual, it works! :D
[04:10] <Gatton> uniscript, i'll be honest. I really really liked Suse 9.2. But upgrade problems caused me to check out the alternatives and I was just really impressed by Ubuntu
[04:10] <holysmokes> glick: name is not resolving to that ip
[04:10] <Keegan> howdy, does anyone know if it is possible to use ubuntu with the dell wireless 1450 card? that is really what is stalling my conversion to linux.
[04:10] <weex> adk...did you run into problems?
[04:10] <adkinsj> I tried three different methods.. none seem to work
[04:10] <holycow> :) Code_Dark hehe, yeah me2
[04:10] <bimberi> bigfoot1: you have to go to http://www.dyndns.org and set up an account.  Then you should have the details you need for ddclient
[04:10] <Code_Dark> hehe
[04:10] <Buffy> glick - configure the settings for your isps dns servers
[04:10] <Gatton> I installed it first in vmware and was surprised by how polished it was and how everything just seemed to work
[04:10] <glick> holycow, what could cause that
[04:10] <kaffeend> Can someone give me a some tips on where to learn Unix etc please? I just want to learn all there is to know about the command line lol
[04:10] <bigfoot1> bimberi, gotcha. should i enable "wildcard" option?
[04:10] <adkinsj> weex: all seem to fail when it comes time to get IE
[04:10] <holysmokes> glick - not sure, try 'dig host.domain' and see what it resolves to as well as which name servers answer it
[04:10] <weex> i've just installed ubuntu last night for the first time. why would you wnt ie? adkinsj
[04:11] <adkinsj> at that point it believes my internet connection is down
[04:11] <Code_Dark> kaffeend: I'd recommend downloading Knoppix and booting it with the parameters 'knoppix2
[04:11] <Code_Dark> '
[04:11] <bimberi> bigfoot1: not sure sorry
[04:11] <icewt> bigfoot1, there's "Configuring ddclient" http://ddclient.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=doc
[04:11] <holysmokes> glick - where 'host.domain' is the host in question of course ;)
[04:11] <Doonz> MrRagga i installed it but how do i add it to the menu?
[04:11] <bigfoot1> wait. i'm not sure if i'm doing the right thing. do i run and install ddclient on my ubuntu pc (the server) or on the windows pc (north america)?
[04:11] <Madpilot> kaffeend: linuxcommand.org is a good starting point
[04:11] <adkinsj> weex: I use that to test web pages and possibly run other games
[04:11] <kaffeend> Code_Dark thanks - what's that?
[04:11] <Buffy> kefeend - take a look at these sites and the ubuntu wiki. tldp.org and linuxquestions.org
[04:11] <benplaut> what is it called to set up Ubuntu (or any computer, for that matter) so that the computer can log in to a Windows server, like you can log in from any one the windows computers in a school computer network?
[04:11] <kaffeend> thanks Madpilot
[04:11] <weex> adkinsj,  that makes sense...one needs ie for the other people if not for themselves
[04:11] <weex> i just wanted to run yahelite
[04:12] <glick> i got an answer from dig
[04:12] <Code_Dark> kaffeend: it's a livecd linux. it lets you boot into linux from cd, without reformatting. booting with knoppix 2 let's you start in the command line, and you can play around.
[04:12] <bigfoot1> icewt. i'm not sure if i'm doing the right thing. do i run and install ddclient on my ubuntu pc (the server) or on the windows pc (north america)?
[04:12] <holysmokes> glick: does it match the IP you expected?
[04:12] <icewt> bigfoot1, you run it on the machine you want the name you choose to point to
[04:12] <glick> holycow, yes but its in reverse
[04:12] <weex> adkinsj, i know that's a bit of blasphemy when i'm here in irc but so be it
[04:12] <Keegan> is there a way to get ubuntu to run internet off of the dell wireless 1450 card?
[04:12] <adkinsj> weex, hehe
[04:12] <benplaut> Keegan: broadcom?
[04:12] <kaffeend> Code_Dark ok - I'll leave it til I have a replacement CDRom then ;)
[04:12] <bigfoot1> icewt, okay, so i guess it's this ubuntu pc which i want to access from North America.
[04:12] <benplaut> ubotu tell Keegan about ndiswrapper
[04:13] <holycow> glick, your addressing the wrong person
[04:13] <weex> adkinsj, actually it's very nice that they get all the ubuntu people together right out of the box
[04:13] <MrRagga> Doonz: what?
[04:13] <bimberi> bigfoot1: you need to run ddclient on your "home" computer so that, from anywhere in the world, you can connect to bigfoot1.dyndns.org and it will always go to your PC, regardless of whether your IP address changes
[04:13] <kaffeend> I broke my last one after installing this
[04:13] <Doonz> well i installed it. but how do i run it?
[04:13] <adkinsj> yeah its interesting watching this channel
[04:13] <glick> holycow, why?
[04:13] <bimberi> bigfoot1: "bigfoot1.dyndns.org" is just an example btw :)
[04:13] <icewt> bigfoot1, what ddclient does is that it updates your IP to dyndns, and they "link" the name you chose to your IP address
[04:13] <weex> wow 470 and it's not a total mess
[04:13] <holysmokes> glick: assuming that the resolution works out then the name and ip should be interchangeable for the most part
[04:14] <holycow> glick, what do you mean why? i never addressed you once or answered any of your questions, everyone else is however
[04:14] <kaffeend> why what glick?
[04:14] <weex> controlling the fonts is good by default...people get annoying when they try to be clever or stand out
[04:14] <holycow> glick, i think you want to address holysmokes
[04:14] <bigfoot1> icewt, bimberi, i understand. but dynadns.org/ddclient are helpful only for those with dynamic ip's, right? if mine is static ip, i don't really need it, right?
[04:14] <glick> why would the name not resolve correctly?
[04:14] <glick> i can nmap it using the name
[04:14] <bimberi> bigfoot1: that's right - then you can simply use the static ip
[04:15] <Harold> Hello
[04:15] <kaffeend> oh, not for me then :s
[04:15] <weex> bigfoot1, it's still helpful having a name
[04:15] <bigfoot1> ddclient is asking for "interface used for dynamic dns service". what is the interface?
[04:15] <icewt> bigfoot1, but you don't know whether your IP is static? or do you?
[04:15] <kaffeend> hey Harold :D
[04:15] <Code_Dark> oh, and i like the default gnome; i dont think i'll use fluxbox as planned. i like how all the tools are just... well, there.
[04:15] <weex> bigfoot1, plus you can keep track of many more in word form
[04:15] <Doonz> its ok figured it out
[04:15] <bigfoot1> icewt, how can i check if it's static.
[04:15] <Harold> I'm here now.  Anyone know how to fix the sleep mode on a PowerBook with Ubuntu?
[04:15] <Harold> kaffeend: Hello there
[04:15] <glick> actually no i can not
[04:15] <Gatton> Code_Dark, that's another thing Ubuntu surprised me about. It made me like Gnome ;)
[04:15] <bigfoot1> i guess my interface is "ppp0", correct?
[04:15] <glick> could their dns server be down?
[04:15] <Harold> Code_Dark: I like using xfce4.  Haven't used gnome much.
[04:16] <GoldeNLnX> sup everyone.. forgive me, linux newbie.
[04:16] <Code_Dark> Gatton: yeah, I've never really liked gnome or KDE. I've used things like xfce and fluxbox a lot.
[04:16] <bigfoot1> bimberi, weex, icewt i guess my interface is "ppp0", correct?
[04:16] <Buffy> GoldeNLnX, - Welcome!
[04:16] <weex> bigfoot1, yeah if it's dialup
[04:16] <weex> bigfoot1, or perhaps dsl?
[04:16] <bigfoot1> weex, i'm not on dialup. i'm on a cable/dsl connection.
[04:16] <Gatton> GoldeNLnX, a lot of us are. This is a good room. Very helpful people
[04:16] <Harold> Code_Dark: I was a KDE user, but now I'm using xfce4.  Haven't used Gnome much.
[04:16] <kaffeend> Madpilot this is a wicked site mate - thanks ;-)
[04:16] <weex> bigfoot1,  which cable or dsl?
[04:17] <Code_Dark> Harold: I used xfce when I had slackware on my laptop
[04:17] <bigfoot1> i think dsl.
[04:17] <Buffy> Ubuntu is great. - tried a dozen+ distros.
[04:17] <Harold> Gatton: Yes, I agree.  (Alot of helpful people here.)
[04:17] <bigfoot1> weex, i think dsl.
[04:17] <weex> bigfoot1, connected to a router?
[04:17] <Madpilot> kaffeend: the linuxcommand one? yeah, it's the best I've found so far
[04:17] <bigfoot1> weex,  no router. (just one pc in my house)
[04:17] <weex> bigfoot1, that makes sense ppp0 would do it
[04:17] <kaffeend> straight to the point - no BS to wade thru! Great
[04:17] <GoldeNLnX> first thing i'm having problems with is installing java web applet
[04:17] <bigfoot1> weex,  thanks.
[04:17] <Harold> Code_Dark: I began using xfce4 some weeks ago when I installed Ubuntu.  Only had 64MB of RAM at the time, so it was suggested I try using it.
[04:17] <Code_Dark> Harold: Yeah, it's awesome for lightweight stuff.
[04:18] <Gatton> If nothing else this room is a great source for links ;)
[04:18] <icewt> bigfoot1, it doesn't really matter whether it's static or not, if you just get ddclient going. but there's also http://www.dyndns.com/services/dns/statdns/ . and if i remember correct, you can set the IP yourself at the DynDNS website even when using dyndns
[04:18] <weex> how many people out there have only installed linux on shitty boxes and are finally seeing that with enough ram and processor, it's much cooler?
[04:18] <GoldeNLnX> i've attempted to use synaptic to install java but no success thus far
[04:18] <kaffeend> Code_Dark You can't get more lightweight than me! :))
[04:18] <Harold> Code_Dark: Now that I have 256MB of RAM, I don't know that I want to go to Gnome.  I used Audacity alot, and doesn't Gnome eat alot of RAM?  I'd rather save it for Audacity.
[04:18] <holycow> dyndns also has a whole range of other domains available for us as well
[04:18] <weex> this is the first box i actually want to use...maybe the distro helps too
[04:18] <spanglesontoast> where is GLIBC_2.3.4
[04:18] <GoldeNLnX> its says its installed but the web applets no dice
[04:18] <nickrud> weex, i'll have to answer up to that.
[04:19] <weex> nickrud, what are you running on right now? amd 1ghz 384 mb here
[04:19] <Buffy> weex - UT2K4 plays much better on my 1.8ghz 384 ram than my 2.9ghz  760 ram (fewer processes running in linux than windows.)
[04:19] <Code_Dark> Harold: I'm honestly not sure; the only time I've really used it is with the ubuntu livecd 5 minutes ago. I know that I have ~128mb ram, and it's running pretty smoothly for me (and that's booting from cd, too)
[04:19] <spanglesontoast> where is GLIBC_2.3.4?
[04:19] <nickrud> just an 800 piii, better than the 466 I've used
[04:19] <bigfoot1> okay. so i have these things installed/running: preferences-->remote desktop (NO check mark on "get your confirmation"); ssh; ddclient. i guess i'm all set up for now, correct? IS there anything i'm missing?
[04:19] <kaffeend> GoldeNLnX what about your browser? If you're blocking Java maybe that's why? I'm a n00b tho
[04:20] <weex> Buffy, playing ut in linux...what a trip...very cool
[04:20] <Harold> Okay, gotta get back to installing the Windows patches on my other system.   Aargh!
[04:20] <Harold> Code_Dark: Hmmm...maybe I'll try it sometime.
[04:20] <spanglesontoast> where is GLIBC_2.3.4?
[04:20] <GoldeNLnX> firefox
[04:20] <icewt> bigfoot1, it'd be could to know whether it's possible to connect to your ssh server from outside ;)
[04:20] <GoldeNLnX> hmm..
[04:20] <Code_Dark> Harold: couldn't hurt; if it's too bulky, just uninstall :p
[04:21] <icewt> bigfoot1, could = good
[04:21] <weex> ok ubuntu hardware roll call....what's everybody got running(processor, ram)?
[04:21] <kaffeend> I was blocking java applets from install with default firefox settings...
[04:21] <scott> anyone know, is there a way to launch documents in mc but keep using it? enter ties it up while the document is open
[04:21] <Harold> Code_Dark: I'll probably try Gnome once I have a larger HD.  I have a 2GB HD that keeps pretty full, and I don't have Gnome installed right now.  (Just ubuntu-base but not ubuntu-desktop)
[04:21] <Madpilot> !tell GoldeNLnX about java
[04:21] <bigfoot1> icewt, yes, i think it's more than just "good" but necessary. so how do i check if connecting to my ssh server from the outside is set up/on?
[04:21] <Gatton> AMD Athlon XP 2400 (2.0 GHz), 1GB RAM
[04:21] <Code_Dark> Harold: ah, right.
[04:21] <Code_Dark> good idea
[04:21] <Buffy> weex - UT2K4 and several others include a native linux binary and are a one click install. - "Loki" installers are available for most popular games. - just as easy to install.
[04:21] <GoldeNLnX> Madpilot,  thx man
[04:22] <Harold> Code_Dark: See what I mean?
[04:22] <Code_Dark> Harold: yeah.
[04:22] <weex> buffy how about half life 2 or doom3?
[04:22] <GoldeNLnX> on this box pII 400 256 ram 4.3 gb hard drive, but 800 gigs of space :)
[04:22] <Daehlie> hl2 >>>>>>>>> d3
[04:22] <kaffeend> GoldeNLnX lemme know plz - curious
[04:22] <weex> GoldeNLnX, damn that's a lot of hd for not that much processor and ram
[04:22] <Gatton> GoldeNLnX, you hosting a porn site or something with all that space? ;)
[04:23] <Gatton> oops. hope i didn't offend him ;)
[04:23] <kaffeend> lmao
[04:23] <weex> goldfish,     gatton wants free access
[04:23] <Madpilot> ;)
[04:23] <Buffy> doom3 yes - simple - but the steam content protection system requires emulation due to it's frequent updates. "Cedega" by transgaming.
[04:23] <Gatton> bwahahaha
[04:23] <Harold> Code_Dark: Right at this moment I have about 425MB free, and most of that will soon be filled with the audio files I'll be editing.  Then I'll remove them again, and begin my next editing project.  Don't really want to fill that space with Gnome.
[04:23] <Code_Dark> I see your point. I'd wait until you have more space.
[04:23] <weex> buffy....maybe i'll have to get my other system going them radeon 9800, p4 2.4ghz, 768 mb ram
[04:24] <Harold> Code_Dark: (and anyone else who wants to add) If there are any, what are the advantages to using Gnome rather than xfce4?
[04:24] <Buffy> steam killed ha;f-life for me. - love the game just wanted to play it without a long wait for updates and wasted cpu resources.
[04:24] <airmikey> anyone running pekwm wm ?
[04:25] <kaffeend> Buffy is there a way to just download a Cedega file or something without having to write it all myself? But not have to buy? I got no problem with the cost, but no credit card and no command line skills at all
[04:25] <Code_Dark> Harold: I'm definitely no Gnome expert, but from my experience it a.) looks really nice and b.) has a lot of useful tools easily accessed (not that xfce doesn't), especially, for me, wireless tools.
[04:25] <twisted_steel> Buffy: that's why you need to bring out the cd every so often and play concmaps with the more impressive physics
[04:25] <Buffy> FarCry  and need for speed underground 3 play beautifully.- one click install.
[04:26] <benplaut> what is it called to set up Ubuntu (or any computer, for that matter) so that the computer can log in to a Windows server, like you can log in from any one the windows computers in a school computer network?
[04:26] <GoldeNLnX> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[04:26] <Buffy> erm NFSU2 - sheesh
[04:26] <kaffeend> Buffy I mad for Far Cry and would love to port it to Linux but was told no dice
[04:26] <GoldeNLnX> i get that error
[04:26] <kaffeend> mod rather*
[04:26] <Buffy> kaffeend - let me get the link
[04:26] <Harold> Code_Dark: Everything is accessible in xcfe4, right?
[04:26] <kaffeend> thanks
[04:26] <Gatton> benplaut, I assume you want Samba?
[04:27] <Code_Dark> Harold: I believe so, but I'm not sure if there are Gnome-interface-specific tools. I doubt it, but it's possible
[04:27] <benplaut> Gatton: i dunno...
[04:27] <Gatton> Samba will allow you to connect to Windows workgroups and domains
[04:27] <kaffeend> FarCry is also available in 64 bit version Hmmm...
[04:27] <benplaut> OK, it's called a workgroup
[04:27] <benplaut> thanks
[04:27] <benplaut> !samba
[04:27] <ubotu> I heard samba is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[04:27] <Harold> Code_Dark: Oh, that's right.  Some gnome stuff works in xfce4, but probably not all of them, I would guess.
[04:28] <Code_Dark> that's what I'd say. but, again, I'm really no expert in Gnome.
[04:28] <Harold> Code_Dark: Fortunately, there aren't any Gnome apps I absolutely need at this time.
[04:28] <t0mmy> if i'm tempted to go into #emacs and type out "EMACS SUCKS" is that a bad thing? :D
[04:28] <spanglesontoast> I guess I'll have to make glibc myself
[04:28] <benplaut> t0mmy: you will get kicked out and banned
[04:28] <Gatton> t0mmy, they might be so busy pushing all their meta keys they may not even notice you ;)
[04:28] <t0mmy> i was just joking :D
[04:29] <Harold> Code_Dark: I'll chat with you some other time; going to work on something else now...later!
[04:29] <t0mmy> and it really wouldn't matter if i'm banned anyways
[04:29] <Code_Dark> Harold: I need the wireless stuff, which I'm not sure if it's gnome-portable
[04:29] <Code_Dark> Harold: later :)
[04:29] <rithy4u> hi
[04:29] <rithy4u> m new in here pls :)
[04:29] <Gatton> t0mmy, I should go in there and yell NANO IS TEH GR8TEST!
[04:30] <t0mmy> rofl
[04:30] <t0mmy> i
[04:30] <t0mmy> er
[04:30] <t0mmy> i'm a vim user myself :D
[04:30] <t0mmy> actually, i mainly use gedit
[04:30] <kaffeend> gedit is king
[04:30] <t0mmy> i'm a wussy like that :D
[04:30] <Buffy> kaffeend, - http://www.liflg.org/
[04:30] <kaffeend> coz it's the only text editor I could find
[04:30] <Razor-X> where can I get the ffmpeg header files fom?
[04:30] <Razor-X> s/fom/from/
[04:30] <kaffeend> thanks Buffy
[04:30] <rithy4u> oh
[04:30] <t0mmy> gedit is god-like
[04:31] <Razor-X> (what dev package)
[04:31] <rithy4u> how to create team?
[04:31] <Spudchat> gedit is awesome
[04:31] <t0mmy> except for php syntax highlighting
[04:31] <Razor-X> t0mmy: emacs user here ;)
[04:31] <t0mmy> o
[04:31] <GoldeNLnX> well.. next I need to install a FTP client
[04:31] <GoldeNLnX> I dont see one here
[04:31] <Gatton> gftp!
[04:31] <jazzanova> hi
[04:31] <t0mmy> sudo apt-get install gftp
[04:31] <skalpel> does irssi save your settings on quit?
[04:31] <bigfoot1> how do i run sshd?
[04:31] <t0mmy> why do people use IRC?
[04:31] <bigfoot1> _SWAT_, how do i get sshd running?
[04:31] <t0mmy> x-chat is soooooooooooooooooooo much better
[04:31] <bigfoot1> avanspronsen, how do i get sshd running?
[04:31] <t0mmy> i mean why do peopel use Irssi
[04:31] <t0mmy> rofl
[04:31] <Kyral> nice recovery
[04:31] <GoldeNLnX> yeah.. i got it going through synaptic now
[04:31] <Madpilot> GoldeNLnX: gFTP is included with Ubuntu. The only problem is that it's a crappy FTP client...
[04:31] <t0mmy> jesus that typo made me look stupid >_<
[04:31] <skalpel> how do i change my root user name in ubuntu?
[04:32] <kaffeend> and if you try to save a file as .html it crashes gedit
[04:32] <Spudchat> i use irc for everthing
[04:32] <Gatton> t0mmy, agreed. I use xchat on my emac, ubuntu and xp
[04:32] <Spudchat> why not?
[04:32] <HrdwrBoB> t0mmy: because xchat is terrible wasteful
[04:32] <HrdwrBoB> t0mmy: and because I run irssi in screen
[04:32] <HrdwrBoB> and connect from anywhere in the world
[04:32] <gilv> when i try to convert files from GB2312 to UTF-8 with iconv, it often stops because some characters are not recognized, but when i open those files with gedit, i can save into UTF-8, it works perfect. How to make it work with a command line ?
[04:32] <jazzanova> i have creative webcam for notebook, and it works with spcaview. but i can't get it to work with gnomemeeting, it says that /dev/video0 can't be opened. any suggestions ?
[04:32] <Buffy> irssi - is perfect for hacking other users? - dunno. irssi = pita
[04:32] <t0mmy> mIRC is probably the best client for windows
[04:32] <t0mmy> i miss mIRC :(
[04:32] <GoldeNLnX> Madpilot, were is it located
[04:32] <Gatton> BitchX!
[04:32] <t0mmy> rofl
[04:32] <Gatton> t0mmy, mirc runs in wine
[04:32] <deprave_> bx hoo!
[04:32] <HrdwrBoB> t0mmy: irssi is the best because it's more flexible
[04:32] <skalpel> irssi
[04:32] <jazzanova> iirc
[04:32] <Razor-X> t0mmy: ewwww
[04:32] <jazzanova> ircii :)
[04:32] <Gatton> t0mmy, not perfect but it works pretty well
[04:32] <HrdwrBoB> Gatton: bitchx is terrible compared to irssi
[04:32] <Razor-X> HydraIRC is awesome for Windows
[04:33] <t0mmy> but it's all like ALT+NUMBER and that's a bit annoying
[04:33] <HrdwrBoB> t0mmy: why?
[04:33] <Gatton> HrdwrBoB, I will take your word for it. Haven't run either one in a while
[04:33] <skalpel> how do i change my root user name in ubuntu?
[04:33] <t0mmy> it's okay, but x-chat is better >_>
[04:33] <Razor-X> t0mmy: and what is it in irssi?
[04:33] <jazzanova> ircii rulez
[04:33] <Buffy> HrdwrBob - do you have any links for PCI Express cards?
[04:33] <t0mmy> what is what?
[04:33] <HrdwrBoB> Buffy: ?
[04:33] <Razor-X> Gatton: I prefer BitchX myself
[04:33] <aias_> HrdwrBoB, I think we're seeing a sea change here
[04:33] <HrdwrBoB> Buffy: in what respect
[04:33] <Razor-X> t0mmy: the equivalent to M-<number> ?
[04:33] <deprave_> t0mmy : it's all preference and opinion, don't listen to any of them!
[04:33] <t0mmy> it uses M-<number>
[04:33] <HrdwrBoB> aias_: from sensibleness to Xchat?
[04:33] <t0mmy> yeah yeah yeah >_<
[04:33] <aias_> lol
[04:34] <Buffy> Had a couple of questions earlier about enabling accel. - vesa work okay.
[04:34] <Gatton> Razor-X, used to use it way back. Pretty nice once you get used to it. I have forgotten all the keystrokes and configs by now though
[04:34] <t0mmy> hey let's go on slashdot and start a gnome v. kde flame war for no reason :D
[04:34] <t0mmy> "nasa would of fixed the shuttle faster if they used KDE"
[04:34] <t0mmy> "no gnome"
[04:34] <HrdwrBoB> if you like Xchat, use it
[04:34] <t0mmy> yeah, that would be fun :D
[04:34] <aias_> maybe linux is finally going to gui
[04:34] <Gatton> t0mmy, they don't need us for that!
[04:34] <HrdwrBoB> the only reason to like mIRC is because you're used to it
[04:34] <GoldeNLnX> ok, gftp is installed but I dont see it, were would it be?\
[04:34] <equex> lol tommy
[04:34] <HrdwrBoB> aias_: it is, but I still use irssi because it's better :)
[04:34] <aias_> meh
[04:35] <equex> Gnome caused WTC
[04:35] <HrdwrBoB> aias_: though for the most part, gui users are better off in xchat
[04:35] <kaffeend> XChat is great I think
[04:35] <spanglesontoast> tommy don't let a little gnome stamp on your head
[04:35] <t0mmy> EMACS STARTED WORLD WAR TWO :(
[04:35] <Gatton> HrdwrBoB, I agree but old habits die hard. I used go back to windows all the time because something in *nix didn't work the way I was used to. Now I'm almost completely converted
[04:35] <spanglesontoast> or a cog wheel crush you
[04:35] <t0mmy> rofl
[04:35] <aias_> HrdwrBoB, thanks for that ;)
[04:35] <t0mmy> and i would rather not be attacked by a rat :D
[04:35] <t0mmy> (xfce if you couldn't tell)
[04:36] <HrdwrBoB> aias_: hey I won't force my opinions on other people, but just ensure they know there's options that might be more powerful and flexible, but not quite as easy
[04:36] <spanglesontoast> makesure that plane has a blackbox
[04:36] <f_newton> gatton onces i finally switched to linux I found I could not stand using windows boxes
[04:36] <t0mmy> nah, it should have an openbox
[04:36] <benkong2> how can I stop ddclient from running as a daemon and use a cron job?
[04:36] <HrdwrBoB> f_newton: yes, the user interface is terrible
[04:36] <spanglesontoast> what about the ice on the windows?
[04:36] <t0mmy> heh
[04:36] <f_newton> many a client was perturbed  because of my vocal rhetorts at being forced to use one of them
[04:36] <HrdwrBoB> benkong2:.. ddclient?
[04:36] <t0mmy> puns are fun :D
[04:36] <Gatton> f_newton, until I find a new line of work (help desk supporting 2000 & XP boxes) I will have to keep it around unfortunately
[04:37] <aias_> HrdwrBoB, I'll be a dittohead on that one
[04:37] <Buffy> use a pun go to pris?
[04:37] <Buffy> prison
[04:37] <t0mmy> however, i still hate the terms "windoze," "winblows," and "micro$oft" with a passion
[04:37] <benkong2> HrdwrBoB; yes the dyndns update utility for my dynamic dns update
[04:37] <HrdwrBoB> t0mmy: yes, using them makes you appear stupid
[04:37] <f_newton> Gatton, yeah well I have had it up to here (pointing waaaaay up) with microsoft boxes
[04:37] <Gatton> t0mmy, how can you stand to read slashdot then ;)
[04:37] <t0mmy> i never read comments :D
[04:37] <spanglesontoast> tommy it's called icewm
[04:37] <t0mmy> yeah yeah :)
[04:37] <spanglesontoast> no it is
[04:38] <HrdwrBoB> benkong2: probably there's a link in /etc/rc2.d  to ddclient
[04:38] <spanglesontoast> it's based on blackbox.
[04:38] <Gatton> t0mmy, oh you're safe then :) Because even at +5 you're not safe ;)
[04:38] <t0mmy> ugh, official otaku thread? bleh
[04:38] <t0mmy> i like anime
[04:38] <HrdwrBoB> you can stop ddclient by /etc/init.d/ddclient stop
[04:38] <HrdwrBoB> I would guess
[04:38] <t0mmy> but i mean i hate those people that are like I'M SUPER KAWAII FANBOY ^_^
[04:38] <benkong2> HrdwrBoB; checking....
[04:38] <kaffeend> Buffy I'm having a little trouble here - are these installers to work WITH cedega? I should mention that I have a 64 bit machine also...
[04:38] <t0mmy> and use really really bad japanese
[04:38] <t0mmy> and call themselves otaku
[04:38] <Buffy> just wish that oses could solve the hacker probem and isps wouldn't allow users to scan address ranges.
[04:39] <HrdwrBoB> Buffy: the hacker problem is primarily one of users who do not care
[04:39] <Buffy> kaffeend - erm (beginning to look a little nervous) - loki installers don't need cedega
[04:39] <Gatton> Haven't been able to grok anime. The big eyes and all the jumping weird me out ;)
[04:39] <HrdwrBoB> Buffy:some do
[04:39] <kaffeend>  if your are using cedega 4.1 or newer you do not need to
[04:39] <kaffeend>   change the follwing entry in your config file
[04:39] <kaffeend>   (~/.wine/config or ~/.transgaming/config)
[04:39] <HrdwrBoB> Buffy: the 'loki installers for linux games' page has lots of games which do
[04:39] <Buffy> likely the incorporate wine emulation in at least a few.
[04:40] <t0mmy> the only problem i have with #ubuntu is that when i come back after like a day i don't see anyone i recognize :/
[04:40] <spanglesontoast> IS THERE a glibc for 2.4.5?
[04:40] <kaffeend> got that from the FarCry link on the page
[04:40] <Gatton> I agree with Strongbad
[04:40] <t0mmy> i'm used to a little community of 50 users or so
[04:40] <Gatton> http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail57.html
[04:40] <piksi> ...please? anyone with laptop/sata trouble with installation of ubuntu or any knowledge of how to make it recognize the dvd-r (nec, apparently scsi??)?
[04:40] <HrdwrBoB> t0mmy: heh, I've been here constantly (though not active)
[04:40] <HrdwrBoB> bob2 is here more than I am
[04:40] <Buffy> 64 bit and cedega makes me break out into a cold sweat. - cedega as i understand it now needs to be run in an chroot environment.
[04:40] <t0mmy> yeah, i think i've seen bob2 around a few times
[04:40] <HrdwrBoB> piksi: it should Just Work
[04:40] <Razor-X> Bob and Bob, back to back!
[04:40] <Razor-X> ;)
[04:41] <HrdwrBoB> Buffy: yes, I run a 32bit system on my amd64 at home
[04:41] <f_newton> at least its not ed, edd, and eddy
[04:41] <piksi> HrdwrBoB: i know it should, but it doesn't work with SATA apparently
[04:41] <kaffeend> OMG
[04:41] <HrdwrBoB> it's easier if you want to run things like cedega, win32codecs etc
[04:41] <HrdwrBoB> piksi: what error are you getting?
[04:41] <spanglesontoast> IS THERE a glibc for 2.4.5?
[04:41] <HrdwrBoB> spanglesontoast: ?
[04:41] <piksi> HrdwrBoB: well, i have a SATA hdd and NEC dvd-r on my amilo pro laptop, and it says it cannot find my cdrom and wants me to load the correct module
[04:41] <t0mmy> spangles, check google :D
[04:42] <piksi> HrdwrBoB: i suspect that the dvd-r is also sata(?) - at least windows xp says it's "generic scsi device"
[04:42] <t0mmy> if you don't get an answer the first 100 times, try google :D
[04:42] <basit> hey, my external usb hdd is not picked up in ubuntu, can anyone help?
[04:42] <HrdwrBoB> piksi: a DVD that's on SATA isn't
[04:42] <HrdwrBoB> piksi: it's ATAPI over SATA
[04:42] <ArCHoNKoG> has anyone got gdesklets working on ubuntu
[04:42] <kaffeend> with windows, I would go to a link, find a file that says setup.exe and voila! it's all done and there's a nice little icon on the desktop to prove it
[04:42] <Buffy> whatever you decide. after investing the time to install it make a good back up of those files.
[04:42] <HrdwrBoB> piksi: it's not an official hardware interface.. it's just randpom stuff cobbled together
[04:43] <t0mmy> me, arch
[04:43] <Razor-X> hmmm, how do I get the ffmpeg header files?
[04:43] <t0mmy> i used to have trouble with it, but i reinstalled ubuntu a while ago, and it worked :D
[04:43] <piksi> HrdwrBoB: i've tried loading all sort of sata modules etc as soon as i get the second console available but they didn't help...
[04:43] <HrdwrBoB> piksi: it's not likely to work without hacking the driver .. can you get a USB CD drive?
[04:43] <benkong2> HrdwrBoB; thanks got it fixed /etc/init.d/ddclient changed to 90000000 on interval. I will have to figure out how to do a cron job after some reading
[04:43] <aias_> kaffeend, but, what security screen did you pass that setup.exe through?
[04:43] <HrdwrBoB> benkong2: cool
[04:43] <piksi> HrdwrBoB: how can i get a usb cd drive? the sata controller is intel 82801FBM (quite popular)
[04:43] <spanglesontoast> tommy check yourself
[04:43] <t0mmy> >_>
[04:43] <piksi> HrdwrBoB: ah - you mean GETTING a usb cd drive
[04:43] <HrdwrBoB> piksi: yeah there's nothing wrong with the controller, the driver is fine
[04:43] <spanglesontoast> erm
[04:44] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[04:44] <spanglesontoast> god
[04:44] <HrdwrBoB> piksi: basically the SATA DVD is a hack
[04:44] <spanglesontoast> I really wanna sit on the paltalk help on linux
[04:44] <kaffeend> aias_ None! Muwahahahaha... that's what brought in all those trojans! o_O
[04:44] <spanglesontoast> but funny enough theres no glibc
[04:44] <HrdwrBoB> it requires special drives and ONLY works on intel SATA chipsets
[04:44] <WebMaven> hello folks. I have successfully setup my SB Live 24-bit sound-card with alsa, but I am unsure how to get the microphone to work as well.
[04:44] <Buffy> external boxes for cd/hard drives can be had for less than $50
[04:44] <piksi> HrdwrBoB: but let's say that i get it installed from usb cd drive - after that - is it possible to get the dvd-r working without major hacking?
[04:45] <benkong2> HrdwrBoB; who woulda thought it Ubuntu has a sample-etc_cron.d_ddclient file in the doc dir :_)
[04:45] <HrdwrBoB> piksi: to be honest, I'm not sure. if you're comfortable with kernel hacking it should be fairly easy to get to work
[04:45] <t0mmy> i need some eyecandy for gnome >_<
[04:45] <t0mmy> the compositing thing didn't work, so...
[04:45] <HrdwrBoB> but afaics people have simply avoided SATA optical drives as they're not officially supported by SATA anyway
[04:46] <piksi> damn :-(
[04:46] <kaffeend> aias_ well, I'm hoping I've got the patience and resolve to be among those who haven't used windows for a while... If I can get my head around the command line
[04:46] <HrdwrBoB> it's a matter of glueing all the bits together
[04:46] <piksi> and still they equip these laptops with sata optical drives!
[04:46] <Gatton> t0mmy, it worked for me but it would only stay on for a few mins and then mysteriously disappear. so i just left it off
[04:46] <WebMaven> how can I easily tell if the microphone is working?
[04:46] <HrdwrBoB> piksi: it's quite silly, considering an IDE optical drive is better
[04:46] <Gatton> sound recorder?
[04:46] <t0mmy> x would freeze for me
[04:46] <t0mmy> i had to do a hard reboot :/
[04:46] <HrdwrBoB> but I guess they save on an IDE controller, though I would say that's built in anyway
[04:46] <Gatton> yuck. shadows aren't worth that :)
[04:46] <HrdwrBoB> WebMaven: sound recorder
[04:47] <WebMaven> Gatton: is there something easier, so that it pipes the mic directly to the speakers?
[04:47] <HrdwrBoB> benkong2: :_
[04:47] <kaffeend> Buffy - I'm looking at this page, and it's written in ancient aramaic! o_O
[04:47] <HrdwrBoB> :)
[04:47] <piksi> HrdwrBoB: thanks  lot for assistance :-)
[04:47] <HrdwrBoB> piksi: no worries :)
[04:47] <WebMaven> it's annoying to keep recording and listening to the file.
[04:47] <t0mmy> ack, forgot that script was on >_<
[04:47] <gilv> iconv converts well until reaching an unrecogized character when i use the command: iconv -f GB2312 myfile.txt, but gedit converts the document perfectly, what can i do to do the job with a command line ?
[04:48] <bimberi> WebMaven: The configuration druid in GnomMeeting includes a mic test
[04:48] <bimberi> *GnomeMeeting
[04:48] <HrdwrBoB> WebMaven: alsamixer
[04:48] <kaffeend> do I need wine before I get cedega?
[04:48] <HrdwrBoB> WebMaven: unmute the mic
[04:49] <HrdwrBoB> kaffeend: no
[04:49] <kaffeend> ok
[04:49] <kaffeend> hmmm...
[04:49] <nickrud> kaffeend, i went looking for this, it will help some: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/index.htm
[04:49] <kaffeend> these "installers" are all for something called winex :s
[04:49] <HrdwrBoB> kaffeend: winex == cedega
[04:50] <kaffeend> thanks nickrud I'm checking it out now
[04:50] <kaffeend> HrdwrBoB Ahhh... I see
[04:50] <WebMaven> HrdwrBoB: is the mic the one labelled 'Capture'?
[04:50] <gilv> is it possible to use gedit as a command line to just open a file and save it (in UTF8) ?
[04:52] <nickrud> gilv, have you tried doing it?
[04:53] <holysmokes> gilv: you may have more like with that sort of thing using vi
[04:53] <f_newton> i guess there is no way to clean the printer jets on ubuntu
[04:53] <f_newton> I am gonna have to get a color laser printer
[04:53] <mortega> Hola
[04:55] <nickrud> f_newton, hplip offers that for some hp printers, it's in breezy. I've seen tools for other printers, though
[04:55] <barkley> what happened to sl-modem in breezy's repository?
[04:55] <gilv> holysmokes: gedit recognize the encoding of my text file, and then saves it into utf8, not vi, nor vim, not even iconv or recode can convert it
[04:55] <f_newton> well its a common feature in most distros nickrud
[04:56] <f_newton> and important for inkjets
[04:56] <Doonz> hey can you guys recomend a good avi repair program?
[04:56] <f_newton> avi repair?
[04:56] <Doonz> yeah
[04:57] <holysmokes> gilv: do you know what encoding the file is currently in?
[04:57] <t0mmy> i think i'm the youngest person to hold the root password to a linux box :D
[04:57] <gilv> holysmokes: GB2312
[04:58] <holysmokes> gilv: http://www.vim.org/htmldoc/mbyte.html
[04:58] <WebMaven> ok, the microphone seems not to work. what do I do?
[04:58] <gilv> holysmokes: i tried iconv -f GB2312 myfile.txt, it does print the text well until it finds an unrecognized character, while gedit does the job with no problem
[04:58] <WebMaven> ok, the microphone seems not to work. what do I do?
[04:59] <Doonz> nobody?
[04:59] <Doonz> *sigh*
[04:59] <f_newton> unmute it WebMaven
[04:59] <WebMaven> f_newton: where?
[04:59] <f_newton> in your mixer ui
[05:00] <george___> hi
[05:01] <george___> the raid didn't work, nor did the lvm
[05:01] <yoda_> Hoal
[05:01] <WebMaven> which of the following is the microphone: Analog Center/LFE, Analog Front, Analog Rear, Analog Unknown, Capture, SPIDF Center/LFE, SPIDF Front, SPIDF Rear, SPIDF Unknown
[05:02] <yoda_> hello
[05:02] <WebMaven> or SPIDF Out
[05:02] <bungopolis> WebMaven my guess would be Capture
[05:02] <ArCHoNKoG> would anyone know why i can't config any of the gdesklets ?
[05:03] <benkong2> bye
[05:03] <WebMaven> bungopolis: I maxed the volume on Capture. No change.
[05:05] <OC-Elf> hi guys
[05:05] <yoda_> xD
[05:05] <yoda_> where the IRC hispano ?
[05:05] <yoda_> :S
[05:05] <WebMaven> Hmm. gstreamer-properties shows me as using Alsa for audio input, but the test fails.
[05:06] <bungopolis> WebMaven all of the other streams sounded lik output streams to me. May be a configuration issue with your sound device?
[05:06] <Madpilot> yoda, you mean ubuntu-es?
[05:06] <yoda_> i spanish
[05:06] <pestilence> can the install cd for hoary be used to re-install grub after a windows install?
[05:07] <Madpilot> !es
[05:07] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[05:07] <yoda_> ok
[05:07] <bungopolis> pestilence i'm trying to figure out the same thing... my grub was corrupted but i dont want to do a system reinstall
[05:07] <bungopolis> pestilence in theory it should
[05:07] <Simpleton> So, whats the extent of this X bug?
[05:07] <OC-Elf> i think there is a way
[05:07] <WebMaven> bungopolis: maybe.
[05:08] <pestilence> i wonder if escape out and choose "install grub" it might, but you have to tell it somehow where root is
[05:08] <bungopolis> WebMaven just max all your sources and see if you get anything
[05:08] <hayden> how do i extract a tar.bz2 file from terminal
[05:08] <WebMaven> I just installed and configured a SB Live 24.
[05:08] <OC-Elf> i saw it some where
[05:08] <pestilence> also, i know if you ctl+alt+f2 you can get a terminal, but where is grub
[05:08] <nickrud> bungopolis, pestilence this is supposed to work https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[05:08] <bungopolis> pestilence thats what i've been trying but it gives me un-helpful errors and cant do it
[05:08] <OC-Elf> you put the ubuntu cd in and type grub (but i cant be sure)
[05:08] <bungopolis> cool thanks rickrud
[05:09] <OC-Elf> i think it was on the forums
[05:09] <asdx> i got a new motherboard (a7v600-x) I pluged my usb keyboard, i can use only on the bios setup, but when i try to boot something it says "keyboard error" or something, what can i do? :S
[05:09] <pestilence> OC-Elf: perhaps at a vt, but i think you have to wait until it has loaded the base system for grub to be present, and i'm not sure if that's before it writes stuff to the hd
[05:10] <WebMaven> bungopolis: unmuting and maxing everything does not seem to enable the microphone.
[05:10] <kaffeend> I must say people, that since installing Ubuntu the other day, I have not seen one ad or popup, and never d/loaded anything I didn't know what it was! Nice job :-)
[05:10] <OC-Elf> that could be, but i am sure that if u use the rescue mode u can rewrite the bootsector
[05:10] <pestilence> sure, but without grub it's hard to get to rescue mode :)
[05:10] <pestilence> and i don't think there is a "rescue mode" on the install cd
[05:11] <OC-Elf> yea there is
[05:11] <OC-Elf> type rescue at the prompt
[05:12] <bungopolis> WebMaven try running alsamixer in a terminal -- it might show you some extra sources that the gnome volume applet isnt showing for some reason (assuming thats what you're using)
[05:12] <hayden> how do i extract a tar.bz2 file from terminal
[05:12] <ilba7r> i did df -T -h to list my file system usage and the report is strange. I have 14 G av. 7 used and 5.6 free so what happened to the remanning 1.4 G???
[05:12] <WebMaven> bungopolis: I *am* using alsamixer.
[05:13] <pestilence> OC-Elf: hmmm
[05:13] <OC-Elf> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54149&highlight=reinstall+grub
[05:13] <bungopolis> WebMaven ok then I'd say there's some other configuration issue
[05:13] <bungopolis> WebMaven what is your sound card?
[05:13] <bungopolis> WebMaven you are talking about a built-in microphone input right, not a USB mic or something
[05:13] <WebMaven> It's an SB Live 24
[05:13] <OC-Elf> check that out
[05:14] <nickrud> pestilence, I se what you mean, sorry about that
[05:14] <bungopolis> WebMaven hmm the sblive series usually work without too much trouble
[05:14] <pestilence> OC-Elf: he refers to "System Rescue CD", not the ubuntu install cd
[05:14] <WebMaven> bungopolis: yes, I have a mic plugged into the backplane.
[05:14] <OC-Elf> yea, thats true, i got me a sblive value
[05:14] <bungopolis> I'm not quite sure what to try i'm afraid webmaven
[05:14] <monsterror> I just had to disable my onboard sound to get my SB live to work
[05:15] <WebMaven> I have disabled the onboard audio.
[05:15] <bimberi> hayden: tar xvjf <file>
[05:15] <benplaut> Gatton: so... i don't see anything to help set that up to GDM... where would settings for it be?
[05:15] <hayden> thank bimberi
[05:16] <bimberi> hayden: yw :)
[05:16] <WebMaven> I followed the directions here to get the sound to work: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19307&highlight=sound+card+install
[05:16] <Joose^> hi...
[05:16] <ilba7r> i did df -T -h to list my file system usage and the report is strange. I have 14 G av. 7 used and 5.6 free so what happened to the remanning 1.4 G???
[05:16] <f_newton> dang its starting to feel like burger time
[05:16] <Joose^> i have a question how i install the drivers of my modem in ubuntu
[05:16] <f_newton> joose what kind of modem?
[05:17] <OC-Elf> pestilence: just boot the cd and type rescue at the prompt
[05:17] <OC-Elf> follow the instructions that the guy gave
[05:17] <kaffeend> well, I won't be pressing CTRL + ALT + F2 again in a hurry lol
[05:17] <Joose^> f_newton pci modem
[05:17] <benplaut> !give pestilence livecd
[05:17] <ubotu> benplaut: No idea
[05:17] <benplaut> darn
[05:17] <benplaut> out of CDs :P
[05:18] <Madpilot> kaffeend: what does ctrl-alt-f2 do?
[05:18] <OC-Elf> puts u into a terminal
[05:18] <OC-Elf> non gui
[05:18] <WebMaven> So, does anyone have suggestions for getting the mic on an SB Live 24 working?
[05:18] <monsterror> Anyone know of a good place to get splash screens and such?
[05:18] <f_newton> Joose^, ok most likely a winmodem.... try linmodems.org
[05:18] <supernix> Hiya
[05:18] <kaffeend> brings up a terminal Madpilot - but I didn't know how to get out of it - so I rebooted
[05:19] <Madpilot> !tell monsterror about theme
[05:19] <OC-Elf> if its conexant based u can get drivers from linuxant.com
[05:19] <OC-Elf> they only run at 14.4 kbps though
[05:19] <supernix> Hiya
[05:19] <kaffeend> but all it did was tell me I have new mail!
[05:19] <monsterror> Thanks Madpilot
[05:19] <Madpilot> kaffeend: heh. I wouldn't know what to do then either!
[05:19] <f_newton> !tell f_newton about theme
[05:19] <OC-Elf> yea, thats the default motd
[05:19] <Madpilot> monsterror: np.
[05:19] <supernix> Anyone here familiar with Evolution and use it often ?
[05:19] <kaffeend> Madpilot I thought you were a pro?
[05:20] <Madpilot> kaffeend: no, I just fake it. ;)
[05:20] <supernix> I am trying to get it to filter out junk mail and I don't think that it is working like it should
[05:20] <kaffeend> Madpilot you should be an actor man!
[05:20] <Madpilot> kaffeend: slightly more seriously, I've only been using Linux for about three months now - I've just picked up the basics fast!
[05:21] <benplaut> !xdmcp
[05:21] <ubotu> benplaut: No idea
[05:21] <f_newton> yew must be a young pup Madpilot
[05:21] <pestilence> OC-Elf: let me give it a go, gotta backup real quick first
[05:21] <kaffeend> fast? You mean I'm gonna be running around like a blind man for months?
[05:21] <benplaut> well, for the non-bots, what is XDNCP?
[05:21] <benplaut> *XDMCP
[05:21] <Madpilot> f_newton: at Linux, yeah. I'm 26, been a Windows-victim until recently!
[05:22] <OC-Elf> alright pestilence
[05:22] <f_newton> well its a lot easier for you then for someone over twice your age believe me
[05:22] <f_newton> the brain is not so plyable at my age
[05:22] <nickrud> xdmcp is logging into a graphical login on a remote machine (permission thereof)
[05:22] <kaffeend> I only installed Linux as a BACKUP OS but lost windows somehow on install and now this is my ONLY OS
[05:22] <Madpilot> benplaut: this was the first link google provided: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/XDMCP-HOWTO/
[05:23] <Harold> Anyone: Know how to enable sleep on a PowerBook?
[05:23] <f_newton> kaffeend unless you wrote over it its still there you just need to find it
[05:23] <hayden> is gnome-look.org working,?
[05:23] <Madpilot> kaffeend: just enjoy the ride!
[05:23] <f_newton> not for me it isnt
[05:23] <Burgundavia> kaffeend, ctrl-alt-F# switch virtual terminals
[05:23] <OC-Elf> yea
[05:23] <Burgundavia> kaffeend, F7 is the default graphical terminal
[05:23] <Harold> hayden: What is gnome-look.org about?  The look of gnome?
[05:24] <kaffeend> no  I think I partially wrote over it f_newton
[05:24] <Madpilot> gnome-look.org was down last night as well
[05:24] <OC-Elf> themes etc
[05:24] <OC-Elf> i used it today
[05:24] <kaffeend> thanks Burgundavia
[05:24] <Burgundavia> Harold, the official gnome theme place is art.gnome.org
[05:24] <Burgundavia> kaffeend, np
[05:24] <Harold> Burgundavia: Thanks, I'll check that out.
[05:24] <Madpilot> Harold: it's one of the better theme/art sites for Gnome eye-candy
[05:24] <Madpilot> hi Burgundavia
[05:24] <WebMaven> Still no joy in getting the mic on an SB Live 24 working.
[05:24] <Burgundavia> salut Madpilot mon frere
[05:25] <kaffeend> but I have an issue - I'm a gamer and belong to a clan who are waiting for me in server, and I can't run my games yet... OMG!
[05:25] <OC-Elf> use cedega
[05:25] <Burgundavia> kaffeend, which game?
[05:25] <OC-Elf> good stuff
[05:25] <tvon> Should I have udev *and* devfsd running?
[05:25] <kaffeend> I am trying to OC-Elf
[05:25] <kaffeend> Burgundavia FarCry
[05:26] <kaffeend> and Americas Army
[05:26] <Burgundavia> kaffeend, no linux native version
[05:26] <Burgundavia> kaffeend, Americas Army has a linux native version
[05:26] <OC-Elf> ok, what problems are u having with it kaffeend
[05:26] <Travis|G3> guys for some reason whenever I try todo anything with APT-GET it gives me this error, I've tried apt-get update but it still doing this: http://pastebin.com/328936
[05:26] <kaffeend> really? I didn't see it
[05:26] <Burgundavia> kaffeend, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AmericasArmy
[05:27] <monsterror> Can someone tell me how to get Window Transluncy to work? I set it up, but nothing happens.
[05:27] <Joose^> hi again..
[05:27] <Burgundavia> Travis|G3, reomove the cd rom from your sources.list
[05:27] <PurpleMotion> okay, umm
[05:27] <Harold> Can I play Halo2 on a 233MHz PowerBook G3 running Ubuntu?
[05:27] <kaffeend> well, OC-Elf I have seen a hundred sites offering Cedega but can't read the explainations for install etc because I'm not Linux-certified
[05:27] <Harold> LOL
[05:27] <transgress> Harold: no problem
[05:27] <Harold> transgress: LOL
[05:27] <Travis|G3> Burgundavia where is the sources located and whats the file name?
[05:27] <Madpilot> !tell Travis|G3 about repos
[05:27] <PurpleMotion> is there a toolkit or something that helps you build kwin deco's?
[05:27] <kaffeend> Thanks Burgundavia
[05:27] <Burgundavia> kaffeend, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega
[05:27] <Joose^> i founded the driver for my modem.. and now how i install it in ubuntu?
[05:27] <OC-Elf> kaffeend, i am not certified either
[05:28] <Burgundavia> Travis|G3, use synaptic and remove it
[05:28] <OC-Elf> but i have it installed
[05:28] <PurpleMotion> I designed a window decoration, and I want to use it in kde
[05:28] <hayden> has anyone been able to install cisco vpn client by source?
[05:28] <Code_Dark> ubuntu default is a long install on my laptop :p
[05:28] <SquareGuy> Alright this problem has always existed on my laptop and it never bothered me untill i started using Ubuntu.  With the GNOME sound server on (i like the startup and shutdown sounds) if i goto play doom3 i get no audio.  If i shut it down first I do get audio.  I have a Dell 8600 laptop with ICH4 AC97 audio.  I have .asoundrc configured to play multiple streams - ie i can listen to a video/mp3 while also haveing sound in frozen-
[05:28] <SquareGuy> bubble.  Doom3 complains about /dev/dsp being tied up.  I am using OSS emulation because if I use alsa while GNOME sound server is on it locks up the game completely.  Ideas?
[05:28] <Burgundavia> PurpleMotion, #kubuntu might be a better place
[05:28] <f_newton> it was a quick one on mine
[05:28] <tiglionabbit> hey, does anyone here have a Soundblaster Live soundcard?  There are a ton of volume toggles for it...   and it's making a loud beep noise at me.  Whats up with this..
[05:28] <Burgundavia> SquareGuy, kill esd
[05:28] <kaffeend> I mean I don't know what GNU is or what a kernel is...
[05:28] <Travis|G3> Burgundavia this is command line only box
[05:28] <asdx> damn it!!! I hate this a7v600-x motherboard :S:S:S:S:S
[05:28] <OC-Elf> kaffeend, ohhh
[05:28] <Harold> HUGE news today: Apple is introducing...
[05:29] <Burgundavia> Travis|G3, then edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:29] <monsterror> iPhone?
[05:29] <Harold> monsterror: No, Apple is introducing...
[05:29] <holysmokes> harold: yeah, don't use esound daemon or configure doom3 to use it (if that's even possible)
[05:29] <kaffeend> OC-Elf yes, Oh
[05:29] <SquareGuy> Burgundavia, I do shut it down before I play but I would prefer to have it setup where that is not required if possible
[05:29] <kaffeend> It's like trying to read Cyrillic script
[05:29] <Burgundavia> holycow, esd support needs to be coded in
[05:29] <OC-Elf> first of all u will need to download a version of cedega from transgaming....with a subscription
[05:29] <Burgundavia> SquareGuy, sorry, Breezy has a fix, but Hoary does not
[05:30] <Burgundavia> OC-Elf, the wiki page explains it
[05:30] <nhaines> Okay, I'm helping a friend install Ubuntu on an old server, and his network card isn't being detected.  We think it's an Intel EtherExpress 10/100 card.  He's using an Intel SE440BX motherboard with an integrated card.
[05:30] <Harold> monsterror: ...Apple is introducing a multiple-button mouse with a scrollwheel.  It's called Mighty Mouse.  (And I'm not kidding.)
[05:30] <OC-Elf> Burgundavia, yea thats true
[05:30] <Travis|G3> Burgundavia thanks you now it works
[05:30] <nhaines> Oh, I heard about that, Harold.  :)
[05:30] <SquareGuy> Burgundavia, well looks like i'll have to wait a little while.  Is the fix within alsa itself?
[05:30] <kaffeend> also, I am using a 64 bit machine and I don't know if this is fully supported or not
[05:30] <Burgundavia> Travis|G3, cheers
[05:30] <Burgundavia> SquareGuy, yes
[05:30] <Harold> transgress: HUGE news.
[05:30] <kaffeend> I'm just horribly lost
[05:31] <Burgundavia> kaffeend, did you follow the first link?
[05:31] <kaffeend> yep
[05:31] <SquareGuy> Burgundavia, well I might just go and try compiling a newer version of alsa then
[05:31] <PurpleMotion> Burgundavia:  #kubuntu us asleep
[05:31] <kaffeend> reading it now - kinda
[05:31] <Travis|G3> oh one other question how do I install tcl? is it on apt-get if it is whats the package name
[05:31] <Burgundavia> kaffeend, see that debian line? copy that and put sudo in front of it
[05:31] <kaffeend> ok
[05:32] <monsterror> Can someone help me with Window Translucency
[05:32] <Harold> kaffeend: I hate that feeling.  I've had that quite a bit trying to configure wifi for my old Mac PowerBook, but after many many hours of work, I've finally go it going.
[05:32] <OC-Elf> monsterror, u need a program called transset
[05:32] <nhaines> Actually, we have an Intel EtherExpress Pro 100 ISA adapter that's not being detected by Ubuntu installer.
[05:32] <OC-Elf> monsterror, try sudo apt-get install trannset
[05:33] <kaffeend> good for you Harold! Nopw you've been in here for ages just trying to figure out how to use sleep for the pb?
[05:33] <f_newton> I want to apt-get hambuger w/fries
[05:33] <OC-Elf> monsterror, then in a terminal type trannset 0.5 for 50% transperancy
[05:33] <Travis|G3> nevermind
[05:33] <nhaines> apt-get chocolate-milkshake for me while the connection's open, will you f_newton?
[05:33] <kaffeend> PROBLEMO - No cdrom
[05:33] <f_newton> sure
[05:33] <OC-Elf> monsterror, u will have to clikc on the window that u want to set the transperancy on
[05:34] <f_newton> I dont think either of them are on the repo list though nhaines
[05:34] <Harold> kaffeend: Well, sleep was working before I removed a ton and packages, but now it doesn't fall right asleep.
[05:34] <kaffeend> ah
[05:34] <Harold> kaffeend: I'll begin to research my problem in the ubuntu wiki and forums, I suppose.
[05:34] <kaffeend> like moi
[05:34] <nhaines> Yeah, looks like it's a legacy 16-bit card.
[05:35] <f_newton> I am waiting here outside this closed wifi cafe for my sweetie to im me but my stomach is starting to complain
[05:35] <Harold> kaffeend: (Well, actually I thought I'd begin here, but now I'll move on.)
[05:35] <kaffeend> but I need a guide to getting help to read the help
[05:35] <Harold> kaffeend: Good luck with your issue.
[05:35] <kaffeend> you too mate
[05:35] <nhaines> Where can I find NIC modules for ancient network cards?
[05:35] <nhaines> (and how do I load them from the Ubuntu installer?)
[05:35] <f_newton> lol kaffeend welcome to the world of geekspeak
[05:36] <kaffeend> f_newton um, thanks :s
[05:36] <pestilence> OC-Elf: of course, you were right.  i don't recall seeing it as an option when you press whatever for the options, but rescue does indeed work
[05:36] <Burgundavia> kaffeend, here, just download this http://thepiratebay.org/details.php?id=3282285
[05:36] <bolivar> i am looking for a software to print photos with.  on windows the hp software allowed me to put 2 pictures on one sheet 5x7 does ubuntu have a software 'like' that?
[05:36] <kaffeend> hahaha... the pirate bay! That sounds like just the thing!! lol
[05:37] <OC-Elf> pestilence, thanks
[05:37] <Burgundavia> kaffeend, then follow that wiki page
[05:37] <kaffeend> will try it now Burgundavia
[05:37] <Burgundavia> kaffeend, I will remind you that that is illegal and breaks copyright laws
[05:37] <kaffeend> God I love Firefox!
[05:38] <OC-Elf> we all do
[05:38] <Burgundavia> kaffeend, the default bittorrent stuff?
[05:38] <kaffeend> Burgundavia must be good then huh? ;)
[05:38] <f_newton> i gotta scratch my nose in geekspeak is > nose, scratching, application, index... allow for limber motion of either right or left arm, swing upward with slightly more them gentle motion enough to raise appropriate appendage towards affected olfactory device...
[05:38] <TheSin> anyone able to us gij to start a graphical jar file?
[05:38] <OC-Elf> talking about torrent software
[05:38] <Burgundavia> TheSin, depends on the jar
[05:38] <kaffeend> Burgundavia haven't even touched bittorrent yet
[05:38] <TheSin> I keep getting some gtk error no matter what jar i try
[05:38] <juank___> alguien en espaol?
[05:38] <Burgundavia> juank___, #ubuntu-esd
[05:38] <Burgundavia> juank___, #ubuntu-es
[05:38] <f_newton> no senior
[05:38] <TheSin> I've tried jtunes4
[05:38] <juank___> thnkz
[05:38] <kaffeend> was just thinking of tabs etc
[05:38] <OC-Elf> is it worth it to install azureus? or stick with gnomes default client?
[05:38] <TheSin> ourtunes
[05:39] <TheSin> and ohmy whatever for tunes :D
[05:39] <Burgundavia> OC-Elf, azureus has some nice features, never used it myself
[05:39] <nhaines> I love Azureus.  :)
[05:39] <TheSin> I just want to beable to play music on my ubuntu machien from my itunes shares
[05:39] <Burgundavia> TheSin, not possible quite yet
[05:40] <TheSin> jtunes4 can do it
[05:40] <OC-Elf> hmm i will probably try it then
[05:40] <TheSin> just won't run on ubuntu
[05:40] <kaffeend> does Ubuntu come with a bitTorrent client?
[05:40] <TheSin> sf.net/projects/jtunes4
[05:40] <nhaines> Yes, it does.
[05:40] <nhaines> A very, very simple one.
[05:40] <kaffeend> cool
[05:40] <Burgundavia> kaffeend, yes, just click on the link
[05:40] <TheSin> but I've never used gij before either
[05:40] <TheSin> so it might be me
[05:40] <OC-Elf> TheSin, is it in the repositories
[05:40] <kaffeend> cheers Burgundavia
[05:40] <tiglionabbit> is there any way to get my alsamixer levels set back to the way they would have been on a fresh install?
[05:40] <OC-Elf> TheSin, or a downloaded binary
[05:40] <TheSin> OC-Elf, jtunes is?
[05:41] <Burgundavia> TheSin, gij doesn't support all java stuff yet
[05:41] <TheSin> oh downloaded
[05:41] <OC-Elf> TheSin, i was asking u
[05:41] <TheSin> Burgundavia, ahh
[05:41] <TheSin> OC-Elf, ya figured that out after sorry
[05:41] <OC-Elf> TheSin, ok hmm if there is a source package u can prob compile it
[05:41] <kaffeend> wow... slow torrent o_O
[05:41] <TheSin> Burgundavia, can I use the sun java binary? is that avail in ubuntu univ?
[05:42] <TheSin> OC-Elf, hmmm never compiled java before, better read up on javac :D
[05:42] <Madpilot> !java
[05:42] <ubotu> it has been said that java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[05:42] <Madpilot> TheSin: see ubotu's post for all sorts of Java options
[05:42] <TheSin> thanks Madpilot
[05:42] <Burgundavia> TheSin, http://mail.gnome.org/archives/rhythmbox-devel/2005-July/msg00017.html
[05:43] <OC-Elf> TheSin, gonna give it a go for u
[05:43] <TheSin> thank OC-Elf gonna sleep now, but I'll be here tomorrow
[05:43] <OC-Elf> TheSin, alrighty later down then
[05:43] <TheSin> gotta say I love ubuntu specially now that I have breezy going and zeroconf
[05:43] <jono> Anyone know the speed dif between Ubuntu on MS-VPC vs a straight Ubuntu install?
[05:43] <jay> Can someone help me prevent my mozilla firefox client from closing when playing a web-based java game?
[05:43] <f_newton> I guess I am gonna have to go hand carry my burger... apt aint managing that package
[05:44] <f_newton> bbl
[05:44] <TheSin> BTW if you want zeroconf you need to use the one from debian 0.6.1
[05:44] <TheSin> 0.3 is broken
[05:44] <kaffeend> wow, bitrate of 0.0 kb/s
[05:44] <TheSin> breaks dhcp just and FYI
[05:44] <TheSin> night all and thanks OC-Elf, Madpilot, Burgundavia
[05:44] <drcode> hi all
[05:44] <drcode> I want to record wav file
[05:45] <drcode> the recorder program at linux give me error write or somthing any idea?
[05:45] <nhaines> Yeah.  Give us the actual error message to begin with.
[05:45] <OC-Elf> drcode, did u have access to the directory u were trying to have it write to?
[05:46] <nhaines> Try writing to your home directory.
[05:46] <OC-Elf> yep
[05:46] <WebMaven> Crap.
[05:47] <JosephSpiros> Hmm, I just installed Hoary on my G4, and I'm having problems with X starting
[05:47] <BTJustice> I got KDE up and running, but how do I browse my local network?
[05:47] <luminerd> what is the xorg.conf updater tool again?
[05:47] <drcode> to what dir?
[05:47] <WebMaven> Mother*^%$*^%#( Creative Labs didn't release the *$*^%$ specs to enable support for capture on the SB Live 24 bit!
[05:47] <drcode> I just open the recorder
[05:48] <nhaines> drcode: to ~/
[05:48] <asdx> what is the clock speed of a amd sempron 2600+ ?
[05:48] <JosephSpiros> namely, my G4 has three displays, two on a GeForce4 MX 440 and one on an ATI Rage 128 of some sort. When I boot the machine, the boot menu appears on the first display on the GeForce, but after I select linux, it prints "Welcome to linux" but then switches over to the display on the ATI card
[05:48] <luminerd> what's that X updater?  \sudo aptitude update-xorg or something?
[05:48] <drcode> yes
[05:48] <drcode> I Have premission there
[05:48] <JosephSpiros> and the two displays attached to the GeForce never change, the one being a black screen with the first few lines of Linux booting, and the other one with black text on a white background what appears to be OpenFirmware messages
[05:49] <nickrud> JosephSpiros, I wish I had your problem
[05:49] <JosephSpiros> Anyway, X fails to start, saying it can't find screens
[05:49] <JosephSpiros> which is somewhat ironic...
[05:49] <JosephSpiros> nickrud: ;p
[05:49] <OC-Elf> luminerd, sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[05:49] <OC-Elf> for nvidia cars
[05:49] <OC-Elf> donno about anyothers
[05:49] <kaffeend> Burgundavia do you have any idea what I'm meant to do at http://0day.icculus.org/armyops/ please?
[05:50] <barkley> what is that tool to switch versions of gcc? update-alternatives doesn't do it
[05:50] <JosephSpiros> Also I should note that when I dmesg, and grep for "fb", I get fb0 - the one on the ATI, fb1 and fb2 - the two on the other card
[05:50] <Burgundavia> kaffeend, sorry, I don't play games
[05:50] <drcode> how can I call to the recorder by command line?
[05:50] <JosephSpiros> So it's not like it doesn't know they're attached
[05:50] <nickrud> JosephSpiros, look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log, it may have more info
[05:50] <luminerd> OC-Elf, uh...no...X configuration, not graphics card...
[05:51] <luminerd> I do have nvidia but that's not what I'm looking for :/
[05:51] <luminerd> thanks though
[05:51] <kaffeend> um, not so much a game question, I have to click one option out of several that read like armyops230-linux.run  but when I do it opens a new window full of code
[05:51] <OC-Elf> luminerd, xorgconf
[05:51] <WebMaven> bungopolis: The mic isn't supported for my card in Alsa. A *$#@!& 30-dollar card.
[05:51] <OC-Elf> luminerd, or xorgconfig
[05:51] <luminerd> hmm, that's not the one I used :/
[05:51] <luminerd> but maybe it'll work
[05:51] <luminerd> thanks
[05:51] <OC-Elf> np
[05:52] <kaffeend> copy code and paste in terminal? :s
[05:52] <nhaines> Okay, I have to go concentrate on my friend's server problem.
[05:52] <jay> Can someone please help me with these java - firefox instability problems i'm having?
[05:53] <nickrud> JosephSpiros, sorry, i didn't catch the powerpc thing, I will be of no help
[05:53] <WebMaven> OK. I'm calmer now.
[05:53] <OC-Elf> jay, did u check out ubuntuguide.org?
[05:53] <nhaines> Take care everyone, and good luck.  :)
[05:53] <JosephSpiros> nickrud: the log goes on as if it worked fine , printing like "(--) NV(0): Chipset: "GeForce4 MX 440" and whatnot that leads me to believe it should work fine
[05:53] <OC-Elf> jay, it has information about firefox with java
[05:53] <WebMaven> I guess I need a new sound-card recommendation.
[05:53] <jay> No, so I'm guessing I should ^_^
[05:53] <OC-Elf> jay, lol go go
[05:54] <adiabatic> I've made a new script in cron.daily to update the distributed.net client that I'm running; is there a way to test the script as it'd be run with the "usual" permissions and whatnot that I couldn't test just with, say, `sudo bash update-this`?
[05:54] <JosephSpiros> nickrud: until it hits "(EE) Unable to find a valid framebuffer device" and dies
[05:54] <nickrud> JosephSpiros, thru experience, my i86 experience has no relevance to power pc
[05:54] <luminerd> does anyone know the other one?  This one's confusign
[05:54] <JosephSpiros> nickrud: no warnings or errors prior to that except for being unable to find fb3-fb7
[05:54] <JosephSpiros> nickrud: Oh well
[05:54] <WebMaven> Can anyone recommend a simple sound-card with a microphone that is well-supported?
[05:54] <nickrud> like I said, sorry
[05:54] <luminerd> The other way to update your xorg.conf that is, in terminal?  I know it starts with sudo apt-get or aptitude :/
[05:54] <jay> It looks like a news site o.0
[05:55] <jay> oh wrong site ;p
[05:55] <OC-Elf> jay, nah
[05:56] <bimberi> luminerd: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ???
[05:56] <OC-Elf> bimberi, that works??
[05:56] <luminerd> bimberi, that's it!  THanks!!!
[05:56] <Burgundavia> DekaPink, try art.gnome.org
[05:56] <bimberi> OC-Elf: it would seem so :P
[05:56] <DekaPink> Burgundavia, Thank you. :)
[05:57] <OC-Elf> bimberi, alrighty just learnt something there
[05:57] <jay> heh I've already installed the java plugin, it's more along the lines of problems
[05:57] <JosephSpiros> So, anyone else have any ideas for my problems with X?
[05:57] <kaffeend> can someone take a look at http://0day.icculus.org/armyops/armyops-lnx-patch-210to221.run please and tell me what I'm supposed to do with it?
[05:58] <luminerd> what is a ps/2 mouse's port? /dev/input/mouse0?
[05:58] <OC-Elf> jay, ok so firefox just crashes?
[05:58] <hayden> has anyone gotten the cisco vpn client to work under ubuntu?
[05:58] <barkley> what is that tool to switch versions of gcc? update-alternatives doesn't do it
[05:58] <OC-Elf> /dev/mouse
[05:58] <jay> Yep
[05:58] <benplaut> well, for the non-bots, what is XDMCP? (sorry to ask again... i had to leave right after i asked last time)
[05:58] <luminerd> OC-Elf, you sure?
[05:58] <nickrud> JosephSpiros, some powerpc people drop in and out; ask again later
[05:58] <luminerd> thanks OC-Elf
[05:58] <JosephSpiros> nickrud: thing is, I don't think it's a PowerPC problem
[05:59] <OC-Elf> luminerd, yep very
[05:59] <JosephSpiros> nickrud: I think it's a "having three displays that while the kernel framebuffer sees them, X apparently doesn't" problem
[05:59] <nickrud> ah
[05:59] <OC-Elf> luminerd, for usb u can try /dev/input/mice
[06:00] <Buffy> JosephSpiros - What application adds 3 display functionality?
[06:00] <luminerd> OC-Elf, I have ps/2 not usb...
[06:00] <luminerd> OC-Elf, but that crashed my X :(
[06:00] <nickrud> well, that's a problem that is also over my head, i'm not ashamed to admit. Two drivers i've done, not 3
[06:00] <JosephSpiros> Buffy: I don't know :(
[06:00] <OC-Elf> luminerd, was just giving u some added info
[06:01] <JosephSpiros> nickrud: would the fact that two of them share a driver help?
[06:01] <JosephSpiros> nickrud: ;p
[06:01] <Buffy> that would be wondeful for a flight simulation
[06:01] <luminerd> OC-Elf, ok thanks heh
[06:01] <JosephSpiros> Buffy: xinerama?
[06:01] <nickrud> JosephSpiros, if I'd used those cards, maybe
[06:01] <jay> Maybe If I knew how to start firefox through the terminal it would spit errors up?
[06:02] <killjoi> Hell yeah, Ubuntu rules.
[06:02] <OC-Elf> jay, firefox
[06:02] <bimberi> jay: type "firefox" in the terminal
[06:02] <OC-Elf> jay, juyst type it in a terminal
[06:02] <nickrud> jay, /usr/bin/firefox
[06:02] <DekaPink> How do I see what programs are running? :3
[06:02] <dandelion> Hello
[06:02] <c0al> DekaPink, "ps aux" in terminal
[06:02] <luminerd> What might this mean in the log?  I got a (II) Generic Mouse: ps2EnableDadtaReporting: succeeded. No core pointer.  Fatal server error: failed to initialize core devices.
[06:02] <hayden> has anyone successfully installed vpnclient-linux-4.0.5.tar.gz on ubuntu hoary? i need help doing this
[06:03] <dandelion> is there a way to install an SMP enabled kernel on Ubuntu-amd64?
[06:03] <OC-Elf> once its in the bin directory its global
[06:03] <killjoi> At one point I had some distro installed (ubuntu?) and I had a nice app that could allow me to click on programs to terminate them.
[06:03] <killjoi> anyone know the name off the top of their head?
[06:03] <bimberi> DekaPink: Applications -> System Tools -> System Monitor
[06:04] <killjoi> Nevermind, what bimberi suggested works too.
[06:04] <crimsun> dandelion: linux-image-2.6.10-5-amd64-k8
[06:04] <bimberi> hmm - i wonder if DekaPink killed his irc client :)
[06:04] <OC-Elf> for fire up htop, its kinda kool (for the terminal lovers)
[06:05] <kaffeend> do I need wine/wines to install cedega?
[06:05] <Dr_Willis> kaffeend,  no.
[06:05] <OC-Elf> kaffeend, no
[06:05] <kaffeend> ok thanks
[06:05] <drcode> what is /dev/dsp?
[06:05] <hayden> has anyone successfully installed vpnclient-linux-4.0.5.tar.gz on ubuntu hoary? i need help doing this
[06:05] <kaffeend> so why am I reading "This version works in additon to Wine and Cedega/WineX binary version."?
[06:05] <drcode> I need to install somthing ?
[06:06] <OC-Elf> i have been reading that wine has been adding directx support to its libraries
[06:06] <Dr_Willis> drcode,  what are you running that needs that?
[06:06] <drcode> I want to record wav
[06:06] <drcode> I Have oss alsa
[06:06] <kaffeend> games
[06:06] <Dr_Willis> OC-Elf,  yea - i hear that "pirates" game can play with the normal wine.
[06:06] <drcode> but I dont know what is /dev/dsp?
[06:06] <nickrud> drcode, /dev/dsp is a device that apps can send sound to
[06:06] <OC-Elf> Dr_Willis, yea so can warcraft
[06:06] <Dr_Willis> isent /dev/dsp out of date now? Hmm... no longer used.. in that reguards
[06:07] <Dr_Willis> OC-Elf,  then ya still got the lame copy protection issues. :(
[06:07] <nickrud> esd binds that currently
[06:07] <drcode> I Need to install somthing to make dsp work?
[06:07] <OC-Elf> Dr_Willis, hmm ok
[06:07] <Code_Dark> hi, I have a question. I used the ubuntu livecd a few minutes ago, and it worked wonderfully with my wireless card. Now that I've actually installed to hdd, though, it doesn't seem to detect my card. Any suggestions?
[06:08] <Dr_Willis> Code_Dark,  thats a good sign however that it did work. :P
[06:08] <skalpel> where is the file that contains my hostname located?
[06:08] <Code_Dark> sorry?
[06:08] <OC-Elf> ndiswrapper or something of the sort helps wireless cards?
[06:09] <OC-Elf> am i right?
[06:09] <nickrud> skalpel, /etc/hostname
[06:09] <hayden> ndiswrapper lets you be able to use some windows drivers on linux for wireless cards
[06:09] <luminerd> http://pastebin.com/328961  Does anyone know what looks wrong with this part of my conf for a Kubuntu system with a PS/2 mouse?
[06:09] <Buffy> salpel - there is a terrific howto in ubuntuguide.org
[06:10] <danny> Is there an easy way to change the colors of the gnome theme? :3
[06:10] <OC-Elf> Code_Dark, maybe u can try the ndiswrapper
[06:10] <Code_Dark> I don't want to try that; it worked on the ubuntu livecd; i want it to work on ubuntu proper :\
[06:10] <Burgundavia> DekaPink, change to a different them?
[06:10] <kaffeend> someone gave me a nice link to a site that teaches all the basics of the command line. linuxcommand.org or something - can anyone help me find it again please? I had to reboot earlier and I lost it :(
[06:11] <DekaPink> Burgundavia, I mean like... change it to any color I might want to use? :3
[06:11] <OC-Elf> Code_Dark, i see your point
[06:11] <Burgundavia> DekaPink, you can pick and choose in theme details
[06:12] <hayden> ndiswrapper lets you be able to use some windows drivers on linux for wireless cards
[06:12] <hayden> whoops
[06:12] <hayden> has anyone successfully installed vpnclient-linux-4.0.5.tar.gz on ubuntu hoary? i need help doing this
[06:12] <Code_Dark> yeah, i know what ndiswrapper does; the problem is that i want to have it work with madwifi, which it *did* on the livecd. bah.
[06:12] <kaffeend> also, how do I change my splashscreen plz?
[06:13] <benplaut> kaffeend: apt-get install gtweakui
[06:13] <killjoi> What's the story on WoW being playable in LInux.
[06:13] <killjoi> And did wacoms ever get driver support?
[06:13] <kaffeend> benplaut - sorry?
[06:14] <simplydazed> How can you disable the Root terminal launcher in Applications >> System tools ?
[06:14] <milksteak> runs in cedega as far as I've heard
[06:14] <milksteak> newest version
[06:14] <killjoi> woot.
[06:14] <OC-Elf> killjoi, u need cedega to play WoW on Linux
[06:14] <milksteak> haven't tried it
[06:14] <milksteak> but bleh
[06:14] <killjoi> Now all I need is wacom support and I'll never need xp again.
[06:14] <benplaut> kaffeend: it's a tool for changing it... find "gtweakui" in synaptic, or by apt-get
[06:14] <OC-Elf> killjoi, ver 4.4 is the latest
[06:14] <killjoi> Thanks man.
[06:14] <kaffeend> good luck getting cedega
[06:14] <kaffeend> ok benplaut thanks
[06:14] <OC-Elf> use the cvs version
[06:14] <killjoi> Buddy of mine has an account at transgaming
[06:15] <OC-Elf> u get can it over at linuxgamers
[06:15] <killjoi> He doens't play many games
[06:15] <bimberi> simplydazed: why? - it's password protected - only "admin" users can use it
[06:15] <killjoi> word
[06:15] <whitefang> OC-Elf, have you ever been able to get hte cvs version to run D3D games?
[06:15] <killjoi> this community is so helpful it's retarded.
[06:15] <killjoi> I <3 linux
[06:15] <simplydazed> bimberi: i don't like it being there.
[06:16] <OC-Elf> whitefang, cant really say, i have not personally tried the cvs version, however there should not be many problems running d3d games
[06:16] <luminerd> where's my mouse?!
[06:16] <direwolf> its no different than a regular term + sudo
[06:16] <whitefang> well, i compiled it, and tried to run guild wars...
[06:16] <Code_Dark> is it possible to install from the livecd?
[06:16] <luminerd> OC-Elf, it's not /dev/mouse...that doesn't even exist :(
[06:17] <whitefang> it said there was no d3d
[06:17] <whitefang> so it didn't run
[06:17] <bimberi> simplydazed: oh - ok :)
[06:17] <direwolf> if you really want to i guess menueditor could help? not sure though
[06:17] <transgress> luminerd: probably /dev/input/mice
[06:17] <kaffeend> benplaut can't find it in synaptic and it looks like even if I could I wouldn't be able to run it coz my CDROM is busted
[06:18] <luminerd> transgress, probably?  how can I check for sure?
[06:18] <OC-Elf> luminerd, then thats way weird
[06:18] <benplaut> hmm
[06:18] <kaffeend> nvm
[06:18] <transgress> luminerd: cat /dev/input/mice and then move the mouse
[06:18] <transgress> cat mice
[06:18] <transgress> yay
[06:18] <bimberi> simplydazed: you could install smeg to edit the menus ...
[06:18] <transgress> a linux funny
[06:18] <bimberi> !smeg
[06:18] <ubotu> I heard smeg is a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[06:18] <luminerd> transgress, it does not work.
[06:18] <Code_Dark> Using the normal Ubuntu LiveCD, do they have an 'install to hard disk' function?
[06:18] <OC-Elf> luminerd, did u run xorgconfig and try it again?
[06:18] <Zeroblitzt> Question: All I need to do to upgrade Warty to Hoary is change my apt-get sources file and make all instances of "warty" into "hoary"?
[06:19] <luminerd> OC-Elf, I ran a similar program, yes
[06:19] <transgress> luminerd: your mouse doesn't work at all?  ps/2 or usb?
[06:19] <DekaPink> Rawr... Can anyone else not get on gnome look? I want to get the graphite files... heh.
[06:19] <benplaut> ubotu tell kaffeend about repos
[06:19] <luminerd> transgress, ps/2
[06:19] <luminerd> transgress, I can't get any mouse working on here :(
[06:20] <kaffeend> benplaut wtf?
[06:20] <luminerd> transgress, they work on my other comp though
[06:20] <benplaut> follow the instructions at that link...
[06:20] <OC-Elf> Section "InputDevice"
[06:20] <OC-Elf> 	Identifier	"Configured Mouse"
[06:20] <OC-Elf> 	Driver		"mouse"
[06:20] <OC-Elf> 	Option		"CorePointer"
[06:20] <OC-Elf> 	Option		"Device"		"/dev/input/mice"
[06:20] <OC-Elf> 	Option		"Protocol"		"ImPS/2"
[06:20] <OC-Elf> 	Option		"Emulate3Buttons"	"true"
[06:20] <OC-Elf> 	Option		"ZAxisMapping"		"4 5"
[06:20] <OC-Elf> EndSection
[06:20] <OC-Elf> taht is my xorg config for a ps2
[06:20] <gpd> /dev/input/mice is not ps2...
[06:20] <skalpel> does archive manager handle rar files?
[06:20] <sy> anyone know how to install airsnort tar.gz
[06:21] <benplaut> ubotu tell OC-Elf about pastebin
[06:21] <OC-Elf> gpd, yep thats true, but mine is a ps2
[06:21] <gpd> /dev/psaux is ps2 iirk
[06:21] <OC-Elf> gpd, it works just fine
[06:21] <nickrud> OC-Elf, that is the exact working config for my ps2
[06:21] <Kyral> sy, sudo apt-get install airsnort
[06:21] <Code_Dark> Guys, do any of you know if there's a way from the Ubuntu bootable livecd to install to hard disk?
[06:21] <sy> ok
[06:21] <gpd> yeah, it is dynamic
[06:21] <Kyral> Code_Dark, nope
[06:21] <HrdwrBoB> Code_Dark: not currently
[06:22] <luminerd> OC-Elf, that works to get X started
[06:22] <Code_Dark> okay, I have a question then.
[06:22] <luminerd> OC-Elf, but the mouse won't move
[06:22] <Code_Dark> In the LiveCD, ubuntu supports my wireless card
[06:22] <Kyral> you need to burn the Install CD ISO
[06:22] <nickrud> OC-Elf, and, pasting is not a good idea :)
[06:22] <Code_Dark> and can't seem to make it do that on the installed version
[06:22] <Code_Dark> any idea what's up?
[06:22] <OC-Elf> luminerd, lol thanks for the advice
[06:22] <pauldaoust> hey, could anyone recommend a good Jabber serer? I'm looking at the reference serer from jabber.org ('jabber' in the Hoary repository), jabberd2, and ejabberd. It'd be a small setup -- just for me and friends and family.
[06:22] <luminerd> OC-Elf, huh?
[06:22] <benplaut> !wireless
[06:22] <ubotu> from memory, wireless is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> Code_Dark,  boot the live cd. check what modules are loaded as a start. perhaps.
[06:22] <direwolf> you might need to compile a driver module for it
[06:22] <OC-Elf> luminerd, hmm lets see then did you restart the pc?
[06:22] <luminerd> OC-Elf, lol, yes
[06:23] <luminerd> many-a-time :(
[06:23] <direwolf> or just use ndiswrapper
[06:23] <pauldaoust> and anyone know why my \/ key doesn't work in GAIM? funny thing is I can type capital V's fine
[06:23] <pauldaoust> just not lower-case
[06:23] <pauldaoust> isn't that random?
[06:23] <benplaut> Gnome is grabbing keys...
[06:23] <Code_Dark> Dr_Willis: how can i tell what's loaded at startup?
[06:23] <pauldaoust> benplaut: is that directed to me?
[06:23] <pavel_> hello
[06:23] <Dr_Willis> Code_Dark,  lsmod command
[06:23] <luminerd> if all else fails, reboot right?  XD it's gotta be good for something if M$ survived on the words "you need to reboot" for so long
[06:23] <hayden> how can i change a .pcf file so i can then try to use vpnc with it?
[06:23] <pavel_> I am new user of ubuntu so I'd like to ask someone if you use FLUXBOX insted of GNOME
[06:23] <luminerd> anyway, OC-Elf any ideas?
[06:24] <OC-Elf> luminerd, the mouse does not move at all
[06:24] <luminerd> OC-Elf, correct
[06:24] <benplaut> pauldaoust: yup
[06:24] <pauldaoust> ha ha! someone had accidentally mapped my 'v' key to 'enable logging'
[06:24] <pauldaoust> benplaut: thanks for the tip
[06:24] <pauldaoust> (it was just in GAIM  that it was remapped)
[06:24] <benplaut> ahh
[06:24] <benplaut> heh...
[06:24] <Code_Dark> Dr_Willis: the only one that looks wireless-ish is wlan
[06:24] <benplaut> now go back and read your chopped up logs :P
[06:24] <OC-Elf> luminerd, did u try another mouse in the same port?
[06:25] <OC-Elf> luminerd, could be that the port is damaged
[06:25] <pauldaoust> benplaut: ho boy, you're right. it must be messy
[06:25] <MrGardenHoseMan> what's the equivalent of quicktime for ubuntu?
[06:25] <Dr_Willis> Code_Dark,  time to check the ubuntu wiki pages and forums - i cant really help ya much in details.
[06:25] <luminerd> OC-Elf, yes I did.  the other mice do not work either.
[06:25] <MrGardenHoseMan> more specificaly so it loads in firefox
[06:25] <Dr_Willis> Code_Dark,  may want to save that lsmod output to a file in case ya need to know the name of some modules.
[06:25] <benplaut> pauldaoust:  hehehe...
[06:25] <OC-Elf> luminerd, then u may have a broken port
[06:25] <simplydazed> bimberi: thanks
[06:25] <luminerd> OC-Elf, not cool :(
[06:25] <nickrud> MrGardenHoseMan mozilla-mplayer is the standard answer
[06:26] <bimberi> simplydazed: yw :)
[06:26] <OC-Elf> luminerd, outside of that i cant really say what could be wrong
[06:26] <luminerd> OC-Elf, how could that have possibly happened?  it's brand new!
[06:26] <OC-Elf> luminerd, u have a usb port?
[06:26] <luminerd> OC-Elf, yea
[06:26] <luminerd> no usb mouse though if that's what you're getting at
[06:26] <Razor-X> what's the default device of a microphone that I didn't have to configure, /dev/dsp1 ?
[06:26] <sy> it says e: couldn't find package airsnort
[06:26] <pauldaoust> soooo... about that first question, does anyone have a Jabber daemon that they really like?
[06:26] <OC-Elf> luminerd, maybe try a usb mouse, cause if u have tried two mice and non work
[06:27] <MrGardenHoseMan> thanks
[06:27] <Razor-X> sy: now, why would you be needing airsnort? ;)
[06:28] <direwolf> heh
[06:28] <nolan_> i cant set up aim on linux (help)
[06:28] <monsterror> It comes with Gaim, Nolan
[06:28] <direwolf> its already there
[06:28] <skalpel> can someone tell me why i would be unable to start synaptic package manager from gnome?
[06:28] <nolan_> thanks
[06:28] <OC-Elf> nolan_, are u using gaim to set up the accounts?
[06:29] <skalpel> if i edit my ] 
[06:29] <Madpilot> skalpel: does it give an error msg?
[06:29] <skalpel> /etc/hosts file to change my hostname how do i get X to recognize the new hostname?
[06:29] <sy> why not
[06:29] <OC-Elf> skalpel, if u have apt-get running it will not open
[06:29] <whitefang> i guess its too much to ask to have guild wars run. :(
[06:29] <skalpel> i do not have aptitude running
[06:29] <sy> i like to know thing that you should not know
[06:29] <whitefang> i even installed directx9 (i downloaded it from the MS site) through wine...
[06:29] <Dr_Willis> i aint played guildwars in ages
[06:30] <sy> just to learn
[06:30] <whitefang> and its still telling me i don't have directx
[06:30] <Dr_Willis> whitefang,  thats scary.
[06:30] <nickrud> MrGardenHoseMan, and you'll need to step through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats as well
[06:30] <direwolf> apt-get install airsnort
[06:30] <Burgundavia> skalpel, what error does it throw up?
[06:30] <whitefang> Dr_Willis, have you played guild wars on linux?
[06:30] <Dr_Willis> whitefang,  guildwars is sayng that? you useing the free wine? I hear cedega can play guild wars.. it sort of worked for me.
[06:30] <skalpel> i get an X server error when i try to start it from the term
[06:30] <skalpel> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[06:30] <mmoscosa> how do you compile a cvs???
[06:30] <whitefang> Dr_Willis, did you get the commercial version?
[06:31] <skalpel> this is after i edited my /etc/hosts file to change my hostname
[06:31] <Dr_Willis> whitefang, yes.
[06:31] <skalpel> maybe i should change it back
[06:31] <whitefang> Dr_Willis, what kind of things did you have to do to get it to run, other than installing the package?
[06:31] <OC-Elf> later guys..tommorrow
[06:31] <whitefang> did it just run fine with cedega?
[06:31] <direwolf> see ya elf
[06:31] <whitefang> without any messing about?
[06:31] <skalpel> synaptic still will not work though
[06:31] <glick> i dont get it first incomming didnt work and smtp worked now its the opposite
[06:31] <glick> wtf
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> whitefang,  ive never had ANYTHING run 'fine'  with cedega or wine.. almpost always some issues
[06:32] <supernix> does anyone know a good emule type client for kubuntu
[06:32] <supernix> ?
[06:32] <whitefang> Dr_Willis, well, was it playable?
[06:33] <Dr_Willis> whitefang,  barely :P but that was 2 mo ago or so..
[06:33] <whitefang> but out of the box cedega ran it?
[06:33] <milksteak> supernix, amule's alright
[06:33] <whitefang> ie, you just installed cedega, and typed cedega Gw.exe
[06:33] <Dr_Willis> whitefang,  also if you got an ati card its nasty, and 64bit disrto made it a pain...
[06:33] <whitefang> and it worked?
[06:33] <whitefang> i have 32bit distro, and a geforce card.
[06:33] <melio> how do I add repos to get more debs
[06:33] <Dr_Willis> whitefang,  it required a few command line options to cedega AND to guildwars i recall.
[06:34] <melio> I need more apps like k3b and other neat stuff
[06:34] <Dr_Willis> like the -bigexe option, and i think theres a opengl option for guildwars.exe
[06:35] <f_newton> wussup melio
[06:35] <f_newton> ?
[06:35] <Melio> newton how do I add repos
[06:35] <supernix> ty milksteak
[06:35] <f_newton> are you getting used to the ubuntu install yet?
[06:35] <whitefang> Dr_Willis, any idea where i might find out what the opengl options is called?
[06:35] <Melio> f_newton, remember last night
[06:35] <Melio> that's when I left it
[06:35] <Melio> remember just now
[06:35] <Melio> that's when I came back to it
[06:35] <Melio> so no. Not yet :P
[06:35] <Melio> it's still running. that's a good sign
[06:35] <f_newton> melio applications/systemtools/rootterminal synaptic
[06:36] <Melio> synaptic ok
[06:36] <Razor-X> is your microphone located in /dev/asp?
[06:36] <mmoscosa> does anyone knows how to compile a cvs file?
[06:36] <whitefang> oh, and how long after you send in your credit card # do you get access to the downloads and support?
[06:36] <Razor-X> mmoscosa: it's generally the same as a normal compile, unless you don't have ./configure there
[06:36] <direwolf> sudo pico /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:36] <Razor-X> (then there's a tad special method there)
[06:36] <HrdwrBoB> mmoscosa: because of the way you phrased that, you should really tell us what you want
[06:36] <HrdwrBoB> and we can probably help you :)
[06:36] <whitefang> mmoscosa, try autoconf && ./configure && make
[06:37] <barkley> actually autogen.sh...sometimes you can just do a ./configure though
[06:37] <Razor-X> yeah, autogen.sh generate the ./configure file
[06:37] <f_newton> melio click on settings/repositories etc
[06:37] <mmoscosa> HrdwrBoB I am trying to install Cedega
[06:37] <Razor-X> s/generate/generates/
[06:37] <Melio> f_newton synaptic / repos. ok
[06:37] <Melio> now what. pick differnt ones?
[06:37] <Melio> or add more
[06:37] <HrdwrBoB> mmoscosa: there's a few guides on that available
[06:37] <HrdwrBoB> I would suggest one on linux-gamers.net
[06:38] <Melio> I'm guessing add more. where do I find a list of trustable ubuntu repos
[06:38] <f_newton> look do you see all the repos listed there? click on each one and add the options
[06:38] <direwolf> i got the driver working which is nice because i can put my card in monitor mode ...doesnt support restricted key though :/
[06:38] <f_newton> then reload
[06:38] <mmoscosa> HrdwrBoB cheers
[06:38] <HrdwrBoB> mmoscosa: although of course the easy option is to buy iut
[06:38] <HrdwrBoB> it
[06:39] <f_newton> I have never got recording right in any linux distro
[06:39] <Melio> f_newton the only repos I have in this list is "ubuntu 5.04 updates and security updates and cd source
[06:39] <f_newton> I use adat
[06:39] <mmoscosa> HrdwrBoB hehehe lol
[06:39] <direwolf> theyre all over the forums melio
[06:39] <nickrud> get a better sound card, don't fight it
[06:39] <Melio> direwolf,  which ones are trustable
[06:39] <f_newton> click on them and you will see further options
[06:40] <f_newton> there is also a site somewhere that has a lot of deb repos but... what in the world do you want that isnt on all those repos?
[06:40] <direwolf> the *.ubuntu.org ones
[06:40] <direwolf> but hey ya gotta live life on the edge!
[06:40] <Melio> f_newton ok lemme try your way.. hold on
[06:40] <f_newton> whoa...
[06:41] <hayden> has anyone successfully installed cisco vpnclient on ubuntu hoary? i need help doing this
[06:42] <Razor-X> ...... if this continues, i'm gonna have to use vnc to record :(
[06:42] <Melio> man all I wanna do is install some wanted apps
[06:42] <Melio> java JRE or JDK for right now
[06:42] <Melio> might already be there.lemme check
[06:43] <f_newton> I found java common in the repos melio
[06:43] <Melio> yeah but is that enough to run what I need
[06:43] <Melio> I'll find out
[06:43] <f_newton> I dont know
[06:43] <f_newton> lol
[06:43] <nickrud> !tell melio about java
[06:43] <f_newton> I like this bot
[06:43] <raDeon> Melio, www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:43] <Melio> raDeon, thanks
[06:44] <nickrud> not my favorite, but it works
[06:44] <Madpilot> !ubuntuguide
[06:44] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[06:45] <raDeon> Melio, any time.
[06:45] <calamari> hello
[06:45] <gpd> is that the only complaint about ubuntuguide?  I thought it was more that it encourged evilness
[06:45] <nickrud> gpd, isn't that enough?
[06:46] <kyncani> gpd: ubuntuguide is now ubuntu wiki -> FAQGuide
[06:46] <gpd> nickrud: yeah, but i am just surprised that is the emphasis
[06:46] <Madpilot> I gather that some of the ubuntuguide configs will bend or break your system...
[06:47] <pestilence> so, using the ubuntu install cd to re-install grub after a windows install had one hitch...grub doesn't like the $TERM variable that the rescue cd sets...bterm.  after changing it to xterm, grub ran and reinstalled ok
[06:47] <duken> can to install kylix on ubuntu?
[06:47] <nickrud> gpd I'm not suprised, I've had to help for a living
[06:47] <Code_Dark> okay! progress
[06:47] <Code_Dark> kinda.
[06:47] <nickrud> not for a long time, thank god
[06:47] <Code_Dark> play
[06:47] <Code_Dark> okay *
[06:48] <IcemanV9> is it kylix similiar to pascal?
[06:48] <Code_Dark> now, my wifi card just says 'disconnect'
[06:48] <Code_Dark> disconnected*
[06:48] <Code_Dark> still doesnt totally connect it.
[06:48] <duken> iceaxe18, no, but delphi
[06:48] <Melio> brb can't work without dualhead. just edited xorg
[06:49] <deprave> !tell deprave about flash
[06:49] <duken> sorry, i mean, for IcemanV9
[06:49] <Code_Dark> ah, here's something interesting
[06:49] <IcemanV9> delphi is based on pascal; close enough
[06:49] <Code_Dark> 'lo' says disconnected too
[06:49] <IcemanV9> and kylix is not in repos
[06:49] <Code_Dark> so it seems that all networking is disabled
[06:49] <Code_Dark> how can i fix that?
[06:49] <nekohayo> if I plug a LCD screen instead of a previous CRT, do I need to change stuff in xorg.conf?
[06:50] <direwolf> most likely
[06:50] <hayden> has anyone successfully installed cisco vpnclient on ubuntu hoary? i need help doing this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:51] <direwolf> find its specs then you can do a sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to make any necessary changes (most likely resolutions & refresh rates)?
[06:52] <Agrajag-> gday. what's the best way to 'install' a true type font?
[06:52] <nekohayo> that'S only about the resolution & refresh?
[06:52] <nickrud> heh, shaboom indeed
[06:52] <nickrud> :)
[06:52] <direwolf> no its for everything
[06:52] <IcemanV9> hayden: sudo apt-get install vpnc (Cisco-compatible VPN client)
[06:52] <nekohayo> Agrajag, you could put them in your .fonts folder in your homedir
[06:52] <direwolf> but not all of it will have to be changed
[06:52] <Agrajag-> k
[06:52] <sproingie> i use the pointy clicky "install font" thing in kde
[06:52] <direwolf> your mouse, keyboard etc
[06:52] <sproingie> far as i know, it moves the font to .fonts tho
[06:53] <nekohayo> no no what I mean is
[06:53] <nekohayo> the only difference with the lcd will be the resolution & refresh rates?
[06:53] <Agrajag-> once it's there, do i need to restart anything?
[06:53] <nekohayo> there's nothing else I need to worry about?
[06:53] <Madpilot> Agrajag: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FontInstallHowto
[06:53] <nekohayo> Agrajag, don't think so
[06:53] <direwolf> dunno
[06:53] <Agrajag-> kk ta
[06:53] <direwolf> check specs
[06:53] <sun_> hello
[06:53] <sproingie> Agrajag: currently running apps might not pick it up. restarting X will usually fix that
[06:54] <hayden> IcemanV9, do u know how to conver a pcf profile to vpnc?
[06:54] <F0ckF3ar22> i dont have a cd rom dirve on my sony vaio but i have a floppy drive... and a network connection with other comps on it.. is there a way to install ubuntu.. i also have an ipod that could be used as a usb disk
[06:54] <IcemanV9> hayden: no. sorry.
[06:55] <f_newton> melio howzit goin?
[06:55] <Keegan> I am looking for a distro of linux that will support developmental software for a computer engineer. Is Ubuntu a good 1, or is there another 1 I should be looking at?
[06:55] <Dr_Willis> F0ckF3ar22,  the ubuntu wiki has some alternative install docs i saw just the other day
[06:55] <nekohayo> Keegan, you should just try it
[06:55] <f_newton> dr willis you really get around
[06:55] <Burgundavia> F0ckF3ar22, search for installation and see the subpages
[06:55] <Dr_Willis> Keegan,  about any linux disrto can do that.. just avoide  lindows :P
[06:55] <Dr_Willis> f_newton,  lol :P
[06:55] <Madpilot> F0ckF3ar22: try this: wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/Netboot
[06:55] <Dr_Willis> f_newton,  dont tell my wife.,
[06:56] <Keegan> what applications are availible for developers? is KDE a better bet than Gnome?
[06:56] <f_newton> heh that werent YOUR wife wuz it?
[06:56] <nekohayo> try them both.
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> Keegan,  you are getting a little over focued by allready worring about gnome vs kde. :P
[06:56] <Keegan> it seems to be the topic of some debate
[06:56] <transgress> Keegan: you know how they said there are no stupid questions?  well you're testing the guy who said that
[06:57] <Dr_Willis> every thing has its pros and cons.. depending on the job at hand.
[06:57] <transgress> Keegan: it's not up for debate... it's a matter of taste
[06:57] <nekohayo> juuuust trrryyyyyyyyy ;)))))))
[06:57] <bimberi> lol
[06:57] <dbernar1> well, ya, and also a matter of what you need.
[06:57] <Keegan> are there more apps developed for one versus the other?
[06:57] <Dr_Willis> for example for an embeded device - you may want to look into the qt stuff. ect...
[06:57] <transgress> dbernar1: eh you can cross most things over... i run into little i can't do in kde that i can do in gnome...
[06:58] <nekohayo> and it's the same way around.. :)
[06:58] <transgress> Dr_Willis: qt isn't kde... and gtk isn't gnome
[06:58] <raDeon> god
[06:58] <raDeon> you'd think a doctor would know that
[06:58] <transgress> raDeon: where?!
[06:58] <Dr_Willis> transgress,  right. :P is there an embeded gtk?
[06:58] <raDeon> transgress, ;)
[06:58] <Dr_Willis> hmm.. i wonder what that nokia770 is useing.
[06:58] <nekohayo> what, you mean batteries?
[06:59] <transgress> Dr_Willis: the point is... i could just as easily program embedded qt stuff while sitting in gnome as i could in kde... or xfce or fluxbox...
[06:59] <Dr_Willis> I think it has a full X on it.  (well as full as an embdede device can have)
[06:59] <Dr_Willis> transgress,  or in DOS.. :P oh wait.. not that extream.
[06:59] <transgress> Dr_Willis: haha
[06:59] <Dr_Willis> transgress,  now next will be the What IDE to use argument!
[06:59] <Keegan> I am speaking of developingn software in Java and in C++, are there free apps that will do this?
[06:59] <transgress> that's not up for debate either
[06:59] <transgress> Dr_Willis: vi... what else?  ;)
[06:59] <Dr_Willis> emacs! :P
[07:00] <Code_Dark> wow, this is interesting. I'm reinstalling ubuntu; this time, as I'm installing, my wifi card is working. INTERESTING.
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> vim.
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> Code_Dark,  lol.
[07:00] <nekohayo> Code_Dark, what is your wifi card?
[07:00] <transgress> Code_Dark: i've had weird shit like that happen too... isn't it grand?
[07:00] <bimberi> Code_Dark: don't question it - just be happy
[07:00] <Code_Dark> D-Link DWL-G650 C2
[07:00] <f_newton> codedark thats how it is supposed to be
[07:00] <nekohayo> ah ha
[07:00] <nekohayo> it's prism based as I recall
[07:00] <Code_Dark> bimberi: hopefully it'll work as it actually boots -.-
[07:00] <nekohayo> lucky bastard XD
[07:00] <f_newton> prism2 intersil cards are great
[07:01] <f_newton> orinoco, netgear, 2wire, agere, etc etc
[07:01] <Code_Dark> the *real* question... is whether or not it will work after the boot. I really, really really really hope it does.
[07:01] <Code_Dark> thanks, bimberi :D
[07:01] <f_newton> it will if ya dont mess wif it
[07:01] <Dr_Willis> heh - i disabled my wireless router - and ran wires all throth the house. Getting to be to many of the local neighbors also doing wireless.
[07:01] <nekohayo> I'm thinking of getting a netgear WG511T card I've seen around here, I think it's atheros based. However, could someone tell me, between atheros and prism, if one is better than the other?
[07:01] <Dr_Willis> figured some punk kid may try somthing!
[07:02] <f_newton> yeah and all the cell phones interfere with the blasted reception
[07:02] <IcemanV9> Code_Dark: i have g650 card .. it works every boot. :)
[07:02] <Dr_Willis> I need a new wireless router  mine is OLD and very few security features :)
[07:02] <Code_Dark> IcemanV9: yay :)
[07:02] <Code_Dark> my last intall must have been a fluke.
[07:02] <jay> Can someone help me figure out this java - firefox crap?
[07:02] <jay> heh
[07:02] <Dr_Willis> The microwave oven kills this one.
[07:02] <Keegan> Does anyone know of a webpage that presents the differances, advantages, disadvantages, etc (preferably in tabular form) of KDE and Gnome?
[07:02] <nekohayo> jay, try using the method from ubuntuguide
[07:02] <f_newton> I never use wifi at the house for the same reason dr willis but my lappy leaches it all over town
[07:02] <jay> method for installation?
[07:02] <nekohayo> I figured out that IF you follow that to the letter, and use THEIR repositories, it works
[07:03] <Dr_Willis> Keegan,  from a user point of view? or a programer programing IN gnome vs kde point of view?
[07:03] <nekohayo> yeah, just a sec
[07:03] <d4rk-t3mpl4r> hello there
[07:03] <Burgundavia> nekohayo, please don't recommend the ubuntuguide
[07:03] <jay> I'm talking about dealing with the firefox unexpectedly closing not installing it
[07:03] <d4rk-t3mpl4r> anyone of the dev-team online ?
[07:03] <Burgundavia> d4rk-t3mpl4r, what issue do you have?
[07:03] <f_newton> lol keegan my view is this:  kde bloated, glitchy, resource hoggish, sloppy but really neato look
[07:03] <Keegan> Dr_Willis: probably a programmer's POV
[07:03] <f_newton> gnome - good running simple clear to understand simply put wm
[07:04] <nekohayo> ah
[07:04] <nekohayo> I don't know then
[07:04] <nekohayo> Burgundavia, why ?
[07:04] <Burgundavia> !ubuntuguide
[07:04] <ubotu> [ubuntuguide]  a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[07:04] <nekohayo> oh
[07:04] <nekohayo> thanks.
[07:04] <f_newton> heh
[07:04] <nekohayo> *jots down*
[07:05] <Dr_Willis> so its not that they are BAD instructions.. :P  they are just not detailed in what they do.
[07:05] <Keegan> u see, I am considering converting over from windows to linux. But I am going to college for computer engineering, and want to make sure that I am able to complete the programming necessary
[07:05] <Keegan> they all use Visual Studio down there
[07:05] <d4rk-t3mpl4r> Burgundavia: dont have any, just to say that i'm CG artist running ubuntu with Gnome GUI and it's a pleasure to run and use it, I even started using GIMP and very like the soft :)
[07:05] <Dr_Willis> Keegan,  the classes will proberly try to force you to use that stuff then.
[07:05] <Keegan> possibly
[07:05] <Burgundavia> d4rk-t3mpl4r, cool
[07:05] <Dr_Willis> Keegan,  and you will have little options.
[07:06] <IcemanV9> Keegan: dual-boot may be the option fer ya
[07:06] <Keegan> but I used another piece of software in my C programming class
[07:06] <sproingie> hm.  as a kde user, i'd say that most kde apps tend to look busier than gnome
[07:06] <d4rk-t3mpl4r> to the dev team: great job! keep the faith! even "home-users" with no teckies knowledge appreciate opensource :)
[07:07] <nekohayo> wow and I didn't even know that thing existed!
[07:07] <nekohayo> since when is it "not recommended" to recommend the ubuntu guide anymore?
[07:07] <Burgundavia> nekohayo, for a while
[07:07] <transgress> i do believe cracking open my computer to put one of these hard drives in and put some bsd on it
[07:07] <transgress> *believe i'll be
[07:08] <SlyyDawg> Hello.
[07:08] <d4rk-t3mpl4r> well gotta go sleep, keep the good work buddies, I REALLY HATE MICRO$OFF BULLSHIT AND LOVE OPENSOURCE so kick your butt and keep doing great work! ;D
[07:08] <nekohayo> hmm.. don't go shouting this everywhere however.
[07:08] <sproingie> dude, you need to raise your dosage
[07:08] <sproingie> or lower it
[07:09] <IcemanV9> transgress: go 4 it; nobody ain't stoppin ya
[07:09] <sproingie> anyone know how to install a gtk icon set without gnome installed?
[07:09] <vick> AMD althon 3800+ 2.4Ghz Vs Intel Processor M 1.86Ghz with Centrino Technology for laptop, in speed / heat / loudness ?
[07:09] <Madpilot> !quot
[07:09] <ubotu> "Computer games dont affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music."
[07:09] <SlyyDawg> So I just installed Hoary for the first time.  (Potential convert from Fedora.)  My biggest problem right now is that I can't change my screen resolution from 640x480.  Can someone help me out?
[07:09] <Burgundavia> sproingie, apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[07:09] <Madpilot> Dr_Willis: see ubotu's quote... ^^^
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> Madpilot,  im more of a "Mr Du" kind of guy myself. :P
[07:10] <amonkey> after updating to 1.0.6, firefox won't start. the "starting firefox" box comes up, but firefox never meterializes
[07:10] <sproingie> Burgundavia: "install gnome" isn't the answer i'm looking for
[07:11] <Burgundavia> sproingie, ;)
[07:11] <sun_> anyone having problems with Pothana2000?
[07:11] <sun_> it looks so weird in ubuntu
[07:11] <hayden> anyone know how to change a cisco vpn client profile (pcf) to one that can be read by vpnc?
[07:11] <direwolf> if you can get gtk for windows im sure its possible ....
[07:11] <glick> excuse me how can i make a shortcut on my desktop that when i click on it it will ssh login on another computer and give me a terminal, i remimber doing it once but cant remimber how
[07:12] <benplaut> !factinfo quot
[07:12] <ubotu> quot -- created by cafuego <~cafuego@i.am.cafuego.geek.nz> 2d 21h 45m 45s ago; it has been requested once, last by Madpilot, 2m 43s ago.
[07:13] <Madpilot> sun_: what is Pothana2000?
[07:13] <glick> does anyone know what im talkin about?
[07:16] <sun_> Madpilot, it is font for Telugu language
[07:16] <sun_> I can show you some screenshots; just switched from FC4 to ubuntu hoary, everything looks really weird
[07:16] <quicoju> hi! is there a command to know which ubuntu versin i'm running?
[07:17] <nickrud> quicoju, cat /etc/issue
[07:17] <benplaut> quicoju: at the top of the screen, does it say "Applications Places System", or just "Applications System" ?
[07:17] <benplaut> the other way to tell :P
[07:17] <Madpilot> sun_: Ubuntu should come with a complete set of Indic fonts
[07:17] <nickrud> ;)
[07:18] <fizile> hey im having a little problem with my multimedia
[07:18] <fizile> my ubuntu likes to use my onboard sound instead of my sound card for audio output
[07:18] <sun_> Madpilot, yeah it's the same font I used in FC4; I guess the problem is with Pango
[07:18] <quicoju> benplaut:Applications Places System
[07:18] <calamari> speaking of those menus.. after upgrading to Hoary, they have every item listed twice.. any way to r5emove the dups?
[07:18] <sun_> Is there anyway to tell if pango is enabled?
[07:19] <Madpilot> sun_: in fact, Ubuntu comes with Pothana2000 already.
[07:19] <fizile> anyway to set the default sound device, like to use my sound card instead of my onboard sound?
[07:20] <nickrud> sun, if gnome is working, pango is enabled
[07:20] <sun_> Madpilot, correct. It's the same one. But it seems to be rendered differently here...
[07:20] <benplaut> quicoju: you're running 5.04 Hoary Hedgehog
[07:20] <nickrud> fizile, you will probably need to add the kernel module for your onboard sound to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[07:20] <fizile> i see i see
[07:21] <IcemanV9> quicoju: or type 'cat /etc/issue' :)
[07:21] <nickrud> fizile, lsmod | grep snd , and the first module you see is probably the one you want to blacklist. what is it?
[07:21] <Madpilot> sun_: could Ubuntu be using a different version of Pango?
[07:22] <sun_> Madpilot, i think that may be the problem.
[07:22] <quicoju> IcemanV9: thanx
[07:22] <fizile> snd_emu10k1
[07:22] <quicoju> benplaut thanx
[07:22] <crispynix-v6> fizile: onboard sound and sound card usually don't work well together.
[07:22] <Madpilot> sun_: search Synaptic for pango, and check which version Ubuntu is using
[07:22] <fizile> but im pretty sure thats my soundblaster live... but not really
[07:22] <nickrud> fizile, is that the card you plugged in? (soundblaster of some kind?)
[07:22] <nickrud> heh
[07:23] <fizile> i see snd_ac97_codec which could be the nforce2 onboard action going on
[07:23] <crispynix-v6> fizile: disable the onboard sound, otherwise you'll only have problems.
[07:23] <fizile> disable it in bios perhaps?
[07:23] <crispynix-v6> yep
[07:23] <nickrud> fizile, crispynix-v6 makes it easy
[07:23] <sun_> Madpilot, it says 1.8.1-0ubuntu2 and I have the latest
[07:24] <fizile> ill try that it seems like it should work logically
[07:24] <Code_Dark> when, during the ubuntu installation, does one set a root password?
[07:24] <fizile> ill be back in a min or two while i do that
[07:24] <IcemanV9> Code_Dark: nope
[07:24] <bimberi> Code_Dark: you don't - sudo is used instead
[07:25] <Madpilot> sun_: not sure what to suggest. If it's a problem, bug report it to bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[07:25] <arkie> i have 256MB RAM.....will increasing swap partition give me a perfomance boost?
[07:25] <sun_> Madpilot, thanks for your help. :-)
[07:25] <Madpilot> sun_: np
[07:25] <nickrud> arkie, no, not really. It'll just let you run more apps, more slowly :)
[07:25] <glick> damn i wish my evolution worked
[07:26] <arkie> i have 256MB RAM.....and 512MB swap....will increasing swap partition give me a perfomance boost?
[07:26] <f_newton> no
[07:26] <f_newton> you need more real ram
[07:26] <glick> hey whats the best way to go about getting a nvidia card working in ubuntu?
[07:26] <glick> use synaptic?
[07:26] <f_newton> plug it in plug it in
[07:26] <f_newton> ...
[07:26] <Madpilot> !nvidia
[07:26] <ubotu> methinks nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[07:26] <nickrud> just went from 256 to 512, and .... :)
[07:27] <glick> i have a gig of ram isnt there anyway i can use a high memory kernel
[07:27] <nekohayo> any difference between prism and atheros chipsets in terms of features/performance?
[07:27] <glick> or must i do a self compile?
[07:27] <f_newton> prism works\
[07:27] <nekohayo> atheros do not?
[07:27] <Madpilot> shouldn't 1Gb be supported regularly?
[07:27] <IcemanV9> atheros works as well
[07:28] <f_newton> there's yer answer
[07:28] <nickrud> glick, I've heard that 686 is a high mem kernel
[07:28] <benplaut> but the old verson of wireless-tools in Hoary hampers it a bit
[07:28] <f_newton> lol
[07:28] <fizile> awesome.
[07:28] <nekohayo> heh. then I'm no more advanced :P
[07:28] <fizile> totally fixed it heh, screw onboard sound :P
[07:28] <nickrud> meh, I just parrot some stuff
[07:28] <f_newton> thar ya go
[07:28] <glick> nickrud, use the 686 kernel?
[07:28] <IcemanV9> my wifi card uses atheros chipset - it does work
[07:29] <nekohayo> out of the box?
[07:29] <benplaut> so does mine- it kinda works
[07:29] <nickrud> glick, ask here, someone I trust said something like that
[07:29] <fizile> thanks nickrud crispynix-v6 got the job done
[07:29] <benplaut> out of box
[07:29] <fizile> but why didnt i think of this earlier ;-)
[07:29] <IcemanV9> nekohayo: yes
[07:29] <nekohayo> so there isn't really a difference between the two, for the end user
[07:29] <Code_Dark> okay, here's a serious question: when the installation disc is inserted, my wireless card works. when I eject it for the post-install-installation-stuffs, it stops working. any idea why?
[07:29] <nekohayo> thanks
[07:30] <glick> yeah im using the linux-386 package
[07:30] <glick> i have a pentium4
[07:30] <glick> with a gig of ram
[07:30] <IcemanV9> hmm .. never installed via wifi method
[07:30] <IcemanV9> before
[07:30] <nickrud> glick, then switching to a 686 will lose you nothing, and gain you a bit, besides the himem stuff
[07:31] <Code_Dark> IcemanV9: how do you get your card to work, then?
[07:31] <glick> nickrud, what do you mean besides the himem stuff
[07:31] <glick> ?
[07:31] <glick> i want the high mem
[07:31] <nickrud> in case I'm quoting some one wrong, thats a standard disclaimer
[07:31] <glick> thats 256 megs that are going to waste
[07:32] <IcemanV9> Code_Dark: i just updated the madwifi driver (manually)
[07:32] <nickrud> glick, try it, if it works, it works, if it doesn't, you've lost nothing, and learned something.
[07:32] <Code_Dark> IcemanV9: is there a tutorial on how to do that?
[07:32] <IcemanV9> glick: i have P4/512 MB Ram and uses 686 kernel
[07:32] <IcemanV9> glick: it works just fine - no major problems
[07:33] <glick> IcemanV9, yeah i have a p4 with a gig of ram i want to be able to use the entire gig of ram
[07:33] <IcemanV9> Code_Dark: yes, it is in Ubuntu forums
[07:33] <pax> what happened to nvu, it's not in the repos anymore?
[07:33] <nJess> i just put a new video card in my ubuntu box, now it won't boot
[07:33] <nJess> what can i do?
[07:33] <pax> !find nvu
[07:33] <nJess> it boots i mean
[07:33] <nJess> x won't start
[07:33] <nJess> how do i reconfig x?
[07:33] <IcemanV9> glick: what makes you think it won't use all of RAM?
[07:33] <nekohayo> udo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg , I think
[07:33] <benplaut> !nvu
[07:33] <ubotu> well, nvu is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingNvu http://www.nvu.com/ Linux/Mac/Windows Web authoring.
[07:33] <nekohayo> correct me if I'm wrong ppl
[07:33] <glick> IcemanV9, i dont know, the current kernel does not
[07:34] <benplaut> ubotu tell nJess about xserve
[07:34] <benplaut> ubotu tell nJess about xserver
[07:34] <nekohayo> benplaut, .......is this an automated support bot I saw you using? never saw this before
[07:34] <IcemanV9> glick: ah. ok. install 686 kernel. it won't bomb ur box. you can alway go back if it does not work for whatever the reason (i'm sure it will be fine)
[07:34] <benplaut> yup
[07:34] <nickrud> glick, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-21.1496455883/view?searchterm=686
[07:35] <nekohayo> where can I read about it?
[07:35] <Madpilot> ubotu tell nekohayo about ubotu
[07:35] <glick> ahh
[07:35] <glick> thanks lemme reboot and try it out
[07:35] <benplaut> ubotu tell nekohayo about add
[07:35] <glick> brb
[07:36] <Madpilot> ubotu tell nekohayo about list
[07:36] <dr_willis> ubotu tell nekohayo about the hot date we had.
[07:36] <dr_willis> :P
 i dunno what is 'the hot date we had.'.
[07:36] <dr_willis> LOL
[07:36] <Madpilot> dr_willis: :p
[07:37] <nJess> im getting a no screen found error, can this be caused by plugging my display into the wrong plug on my video card?
[07:37] <Madpilot> dr_willis: at least you didn't get asked if you were smoking crack...
[07:37] <dr_willis> nJess,  or bad modelines in the x config.
[07:37] <nJess> dr_willis, i just reconfigured x
[07:37] <nJess> it still will not start
[07:37] <benplaut> hmm
[07:37] <benplaut> nJess: what's the error?
[07:38] <nJess> no screen found
[07:38] <nJess> hmmm
[07:38] <nekohayo> XD
[07:38] <nJess> can you host the nvidia driver so i can wget it?
[07:38] <nJess> perhaps then my xserver will start
[07:39] <benplaut> nJess: make sure the moniter is plugged in :P
[07:39] <nJess> benplaut, i should hope it is
[07:39] <nJess> im working on the machine locally
[07:39] <nJess> not ssh
[07:39] <Madpilot> benplaut: nJess: that's always a good start! ;)
[07:39] <nJess> could my screen be plugged into the wrong port on the card?
[07:39] <glick> awesome thanks
[07:40] <glick> it see my shizzy
[07:40] <nJess> i have two identical vga ports
[07:40] <glick> man i love linux
[07:40] <nJess> is xorg bitchy about which port i use?
[07:40] <benplaut> yup
[07:40] <benplaut> try the other
[07:40] <glick> i dont see why people are all like its all hard n shit
[07:40] <IcemanV9> glick: glad it works out fer ya. yay! :)
[07:40] <benplaut> glick: it's all FUD
[07:40] <glick> plus with netpanzer and fortune what more do you need
[07:41] <nickrud> just dictd, and you're good to go ;)
[07:41] <glick> i have been runnin linux for years, its funny cause when im on a windows machine i look like a total idiot cause i dont remimber how to do anything on a window machine
[07:41] <nJess> i have a screen in each plug on my card
[07:41] <PlutoPrime> http://elysium.dnsalias.net/web/desk5.jpg  ... now this looks sexy :)
[07:41] <nJess> still not detecting a screen
[07:41] <glick> hehe im a windows newbie
[07:41] <nJess> i had the same error when i had bad drivers on my laptop
[07:41] <nJess> should i try using a new driver?
[07:42] <glick> is the ubuntuguide.org reliable source of information
[07:42] <nickrud> I boot windows about once a month, and only install drivers from the manufacturers. I'm a windows won't be :)
[07:43] <IcemanV9> PlutoPrime: it is. :)
[07:43] <HrdwrBoB> glick: no
[07:43] <nickrud> glick, sometimes, but caveat emptor
[07:43] <HrdwrBoB> glick: it's a useful source, but should be taken with a grain of salt
[07:43] <glick> so where should i go to see how to get my nvidia workin?
[07:43] <PlutoPrime> IcemanV9, yup :)
[07:43] <HrdwrBoB> glick: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:43] <glick> i have had this for months now and never bothered to get it working properly
[07:44] <nJess> i was watching the new battlestar galactica recently
[07:45] <nJess> and they got hacked because they had a two computers networked together with actual wires
[07:45] <nJess> but that doesn't make sense, because how could that work if they had no wireless access? lol
[07:45] <nJess> i look to much into tv :/
[07:45] <IcemanV9> PlutoPrime: you put the panel on the bottom? just like windows? :P
[07:45] <benplaut> nJess: can't hurt to try another driver...
[07:46] <Madpilot> ubotu tell glick about nvidia
[07:46] <nelsongs> help somebody please???
[07:46] <nelsongs> i have an hp notebook, intel 915gm graphics
[07:46] <nelsongs> it doesn't work
[07:46] <nelsongs> with the i810 drv
[07:47] <IcemanV9> glick: if you can get nvidia up and running, then you have an awesome ubuntu box! :)
[07:47] <nelsongs> anyone?
[07:47] <glick> hmm apparently nvidia drivers are buggy as hell
[07:47] <glick> IcemanV9, why you say that?
[07:47] <nJess> i need kernel source
[07:47] <nJess> how do i get kernel source?
[07:47] <glick> IcemanV9, is it that difficult?
[07:48] <sun_> what's the equivalent of xinetd or /sbin/service in ubuntu?
[07:48] <nJess> !ndiswrapper
[07:48] <ubotu> I heard ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[07:48] <nickrud> nelsongs, maybe https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptopsIBM can help
[07:48] <IcemanV9> glick: heard half stories are bad AND other good ones on nvidia
[07:48] <benplaut> !thinkpad
[07:48] <ubotu> from memory, thinkpad is the brand of laptops made by IBM (and now, Lenovo). They have a reputation as being quite linux compatible, but make up for it in a somewhat steep price
[07:48] <IcemanV9> glick: hoping yours is on the good side
[07:48] <benplaut> ubotu forget thinkpad
[07:48] <ubotu> benplaut: i forgot thinkpad
[07:49] <dbernar1> !msg the bot
[07:49] <ubotu> msg the bot is probably please use /msg ubotu to play with the bot, the channel does not benefit much from your fun. Sorry.
[07:49] <benplaut> ubotu thinkpad is the brand of laptops made by IBM (and now, Lenovo). They have a reputation as being quite linux compatible, but make up for it in a somewhat steep price. information on compatibility at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptopsIBM
[07:49] <ubotu> okay, benplaut
[07:49] <nelsongs> nickrud, i have an hp notebook, not ibm
[07:49] <nickrud> duh
[07:50] <glick> hmm wonder why the root terminal didnt ask me for my password
[07:50] <sun_> anyone know how to control daemons in ubuntu? like /sbin/service?
[07:50] <jasoncohen> sun_, /etc/init.d/servicename start|restart|stop
[07:50] <dbernar1> sun_: be more specific
[07:50] <nickrud> well, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptopsHewlettPackard?highlight=%28laptop%29
[07:50] <jasoncohen> sun_,  a nice tool for controlling what services start on boot is rcconf. if you want a gui tool you can try bum
[07:51] <nickrud> got lazy, didn't cut all the search stuff
[07:51] <F0ckF3ar22> i dont have a cd rom dirve on my sony vaio but i have a floppy drive... and a network connection with other comps on it.. is there a way to install ubuntu.. i also have an ipod that could be used as a usb disk
[07:51] <jasoncohen> rcconf is in universe - "sudo apt-get install rcconf ; rcconf"
[07:51] <IcemanV9> uh .. thinkpad is brought by lenovo? w0w
[07:51] <dr_willis> F0ckF3ar22,   did you check the Ubuntu alterntive install wiki section yet?
[07:51] <F0ckF3ar22> no i didnt
[07:51] <F0ckF3ar22> what is that
[07:51] <dr_willis> go to the ubuntu homepage and look at the wiki
[07:52] <sun_> dbernar1, in other distros i can restart sshd like this: /sbin/service sshd restart
[07:52] <dbernar1> sudo /etc/init.d/sshd restart should work.
[07:52] <F0ckF3ar22> dr_willis what do i need
[07:52] <glick> works fine
[07:52] <dbernar1> Most all, as jasoncohen said, will work on his pattern above.
[07:52] <F0ckF3ar22> dr_willis ok
[07:53] <glick> but i wonder how come i can open a root terminal without entering a password?
[07:53] <dbernar1> or even all, not sure.
[07:53] <nickrud> all, if implemented.
[07:54] <nelsongs> nickrud, still nothing.
[07:54] <Madpilot> !netboot
[07:54] <ubotu> Madpilot: I don't know, could you explain it?
[07:54] <nelsongs> anyone?
[07:54] <Madeye> ubuntuguide.org is down do you know any mirrors?
[07:54] <dbernar1> nelsongs: what do you want, your what does not work? video card? X server?
[07:55] <KamiVIP> hi
[07:55] <dbernar1> yo
[07:55] <Madpilot> ubotu netboot is a method of installing Ubuntu over a network. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/Netboot
[07:55] <ubotu> okay, Madpilot
[07:55] <nelsongs> dbernar1, X server doesn't work
[07:55] <Madpilot> Madeye: wiki.ubuntu.com
[07:55] <nJess> i need the kernel source, how do i get that?
[07:55] <nelsongs> i have an hp notebook, dv4000, with intel 915 graphics
[07:55] <glick> does anyone know?
[07:55] <glick> i expect to have to enter in a password when i open a root terminal
[07:55] <dbernar1> nelsongs: so its integrated graphics on a motherboard?
[07:55] <glick> but it doesnt ask me for one
[07:55] <nickrud> dang, I do like the throbbing title in the window list
[07:56] <glick> i cant have that
[07:56] <nelsongs> dbernar1, yest
[07:56] <Madpilot> glick: i just checked, my Root Term asks for my sudo pw before opening
[07:56] <nelsongs> dbernar1, yes*
[07:56] <KamiVIP> any ideas how i can install games with multiple cd's with cedega? when game says insert second cd i cant eject cd and put cd 2 in it because device is busy
[07:56] <bimberi> glick: after you enter the password for some period (not sure how long) it won't ask again.  This will time out.
[07:56] <glick> bimberi, ok
[07:57] <dabaR> nJess: /msg ubotu kernelcompile
[07:57] <bimberi> glick: sorry - i hope that made some sense :)
[07:57] <Madpilot> glick nd bimberi: 15 minutes, I think?
[07:57] <dabaR> all: ubotu only accepts queries if your nick is registered.
[07:57] <direwolf> same with sudo in a terminal
[07:57] <nickrud> bimberi, but that's only for the shell session the password was entered for
[07:57] <glick> also, does anyone know what the RenderAccel option in X does for nvidia cards?
[07:57] <IcemanV9> glick: i believe the timeout is 15 min default
[07:57] <direwolf> nope
[07:57] <bimberi> Madpilot: k - thanks
[07:57] <hayden> can anyone help me with getting cisco vpn client to work, or how can i convert a cisco vpn client profile (pcf file) so i can use with vpnc!?
[07:57] <nickrud> oh
[07:57] <dabaR> 15 mibnutes.
[07:58] <direwolf> sudo -s will last the whole session
[07:58] <dabaR> is the time for sudo password to not need to be reentered.
[07:58] <glick> ubuntu wiki says this option should be disabled in X
[07:58] <direwolf> sudo will last about 10-15
[07:58] <direwolf> oh, 15
[07:58] <dabaR> I thknk I read that somewhere.
[07:58] <dabaR> nelsongs: hm...did you google on y our graphics card?
[07:58] <direwolf> ive noticed it as well
[07:58] <nickrud> throughout all sessions? even the X session, if entered in a terminal?
[07:58] <dabaR> nah, I doubt that.
[07:59] <glick> will my card not accelerate with this option set to false?
[07:59] <direwolf> no terminal only
[07:59] <nelsongs> dabaR, yes i did
[07:59] <dabaR> nelsongs: says what?
[07:59] <direwolf> if you open a new terminal it will start out as user
[07:59] <nickrud> so, glick not having to enter a password for his root term from the menu does seem strange
[07:59] <nelsongs> dabaR, i won't ask for help here if i haven't tried everything
[07:59] <nelsongs> dabaR, i have tried the dri pkgs from snapshot too
[07:59] <dabaR> what did google say:) uncle google:)
[08:00] <nelsongs> dabaR, used the 915 resolution
[08:00] <nelsongs> dabaR, still nothin
[08:00] <sun_> jasoncohen, i can't find "bum" in synaptic. do you know where i can get it?
[08:00] <Madpilot> oh crap - how long does a ping request go on for?
[08:00] <direwolf> if hes really that worried about it cant he use menueditor to remove root term from the menu ?
[08:00] <nelsongs> dabaR, right now, i'm using the vesa driver
[08:00] <nickrud> direwolf, what menu editor ;)
[08:00] <direwolf> aside from that after a reboot if it still happens maybe file a bug report?
[08:01] <direwolf> uh oh
[08:01] <nelsongs> dabaR, so?  any ideas?
[08:01] <nelsongs> anyone?
[08:01] <direwolf> mulders in trouble again
[08:01] <dabaR> not yet.
[08:01] <direwolf> hahaha
[08:02] <glick> do i want to disable renderaccel?
[08:03] <dabaR> sun_: what is bum? it is not an ubuntu, nor a debian package.
[08:03] <nelsongs> is there a new kernel for ubuntu?
[08:03] <dabaR> sun_: actually, there is one in sid.
[08:04] <Mobus> The Palm device manager asks me to put in /dev/pilot and then hotsync.  How do I put in /dev/pilot? is that just plugging it in, or do i have to mount it somehow?
[08:04] <dabaR> sun_: not that you should use it, or nothing.
[08:04] <gpd> bum is not a good name... british = arse
[08:04] <dabaR> sun_: is this it: bum: (tool to manage bootup scripts)?
[08:05] <sun_> dabaR, yes
[08:05] <dabaR> here too, or a person that sleeps in the streets.
[08:05] <dabaR> sun_: its not in ubotu's list of packages.
[08:05] <sun_> haha. that is the correct package, i meant
[08:06] <dabaR> I knew that.
[08:06] <dabaR> not sure what you thought I meant...
[08:07] <direwolf> :)
[08:07] <gpd> http://www.marzocca.net/linux/bum.html
[08:07] <glick> ok cook, everything works
[08:08] <glick> the root terminal now asks me for a password, and the card is workin gret
[08:08] <glick> thanks all
[08:08] <dabaR> nelsongs: it seems it does not work in linux.
[08:08] <glick> hey what version of netpanzer comes with ubuntu
[08:09] <gpd> looks like bum is just sysvconfig for gtk
[08:09] <nelsongs> dabaR, it did work with other notebooks, not hp though
[08:09] <nelsongs> dabaR, is there an available kernel for ubuntu right now?
[08:09] <dabaR> how would I know.
[08:10] <dabaR> sun_: it is in breezy.
[08:10] <nelsongs> dabaR, oh great!  i thought you know a lot
[08:10] <nelsongs> dabaR, sorry
[08:10] <nickrud> doesn't work in breezy, tho
[08:10] <dabaR> that is cool. no need t be sory
[08:11] <adwait> hello everyone, can some one tell me if there is any commmand like grep, which can search and delete a certain word from a file?
[08:11] <cyphase> how do you share a printer with a windows machine?
[08:11] <dabaR> there is. Now dont ask me what is
[08:11] <gpd> dabaR: have you tried sysvconfig?
[08:11] <nickrud> ah, sed, my nemesis :)
[08:11] <dabaR> tno idea what that is.
[08:11] <Madeye> guys, I have installed some package to load some ASCI colored code in boot, and now I want to remove it but i've forgot the package name
[08:12] <dabaR> ascii.
[08:12] <nelsongs> cyphase, use samba print share
[08:12] <cyphase> nelsongs, i know..
[08:13] <dabaR> gpd: no idea what that sys thing is.
[08:13] <Mobus> The Palm device manager asks me to put in /dev/pilot and then hotsync.  How do I put in /dev/pilot? is that just plugging it in, or do i have to mount it somehow?
[08:13] <gpd> Madeye: look in /var/log/auth.log
[08:13] <cyphase> it just doesn't seem to be working
[08:13] <dr_willis> odd.. has there been some kernel update for the x86 or nvidia driver updates lately? My nvidia based box no longer shows the nvidia logo at boot, or X restart.. and it seems to have X hanging/crashing every so often now.
[08:13] <glick> hey what version of netpanzer comes with ubuntu? the website has the latest release being 0.8
[08:13] <gpd> dabaR: it is bum done in console not gui
[08:13] <nelsongs> cyphase, check your config file
[08:13] <glick> ill just use the package file
[08:13] <gpd> dr_willis: check /etc/X11/xorg.conf for nvidia driver not nv
[08:13] <isai> date labels are shown as 08/03/2005. How do I change to 03.08.2005 format?
[08:13] <dabaR> gpd: I dont use either, sun wanted one.
[08:14] <nickrud> glick, apt-cache policy netpanzer (or any package) tells ythat stuff
[08:14] <cyphase> *sigh*
[08:14] <gpd> dabaR: oh... late in the conversation
[08:14] <dr_willis> gpd,  yea - but would an update changed that?
[08:14] <dabaR> sun_: ok, this is what I got. You can installbum from breezy onto hoary, but, no guarantee what it will do.
[08:14] <rei> hai
[08:14] <gpd> dr_willis: possibly... dpkg-reconfigure might have reverted to nv
[08:14] <glick> to install a package source file i just do sh ./name.package
[08:14] <glick> ?
[08:15] <lui> hello everybody
[08:15] <dabaR> lui, rei, hi.
[08:15] <dabaR> glick: what is the package extension?
[08:15] <glick> dabaR, .package
[08:15] <dabaR> wow. whre did you get it?
[08:15] <lui> i am so, so, so happy with this ubuntu i can't take it!! :)
[08:15] <gpd> glick: http://autopackage.org/
[08:16] <dabaR> :D
[08:16] <sun_> dabaR: thanks
[08:16] <dabaR> sun_: not sure if you should install it.
[08:16] <glick> dabaR, from the netpanzer homepage
[08:16] <sun_> dabaR: yeah, i'll wait until it's breezy
[08:16] <_4strO> yop yop
[08:16] <glick> http://netpanzer.berlios.de/download.html
[08:16] <Burgundavia> glick, netpanzer is in the repos
[08:16] <glick> Burgundavia, yeah but not the latest release
[08:17] <lui> i've just installed an hour ago and i'm trying it but it is practically perfect
[08:17] <nickrud> ac show sysv-rc
[08:17] <jasoncohen> glick, get the latest release from autopackage if you really need it
[08:17] <nickrud> oops
[08:17] <gpd> lui:  are you a linux person? if so which previous distro?
[08:17] <glick> jasoncohen, how do i install an autopackage file?
[08:17] <dr_willis> gpd,  lol - been trying some of my older xorg configs.. this one was useing nv. however i  change it to nvidia and now the X boots up.. BUT dosent show anything. I hear the gdm little drum roll play. but the screen is dark. like out of freq range.
[08:17] <PurpleMotion> http://www.daede.com/MyNewDesktop.jpg :D
[08:17] <jasoncohen> glick, pretty easy- i'll get you the instructions
[08:18] <gpd> dr_willis: look in /var/log/Xorg.log.0
[08:18] <jasoncohen> glick, http://autopackage.org/docs/howto-install/
[08:18] <dabaR> glick: did you try sudo aptitude install netpanzer? I have a feeling it wil work. I will check with ubotu.
[08:18] <jasoncohen> !autopackage howto is http://autopackage.org/docs/howto-install/
[08:18] <ubotu> okay, jasoncohen
[08:18] <glick> thanks
[08:18] <lui> i am in the course of leaving windows and i tryed suse linux 9.1 and 9.3 before
[08:18] <dabaR> glick: no, dont do what they said.
[08:18] <lui> tried
[08:18] <dabaR> Or do, whatever.
[08:18] <jasoncohen> glick, i didn't need to make it executable. i was just able to double click the autopackage and run. the first thing it does is grab the autopackage installer for autopackage itself and then it installs your app- it's all gui and is easy to use
[08:19] <dabaR> my advice is, sudo aptitude install netpanzer. the package is in universe.
[08:19] <jasoncohen> dabaR, he said he needs the newest version for some reason
[08:19] <Mobus>  The Palm device manager asks me to put in /dev/pilot and then hotsync.  How do I put in /dev/pilot? is that just plugging it in, or do i have to mount it somehow
[08:19] <lui> i'm just entering into the linux world
[08:19] <jasoncohen> dabaR, i said you can use the autopackage "if you need the newest version"
[08:19] <gpd> lui: good luck!
[08:20] <jasoncohen> glick, why not just install it from synaptic? do you really need the latest version?
[08:20] <lui> thanks gpd. but for me it is what i was looking for
[08:20] <Mobus> yes lui, Linux is a complicated, yet very powerful world.  By mastering it, you may become powerful lvl 60 Black MAges just like us
[08:20] <Mobus> (provided we're BMs)
[08:20] <lui> a real computer system, man!
[08:20] <Amaranth> http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg-devel/system_menu.png :)
[08:20] <anacron> linux is from finland, that's the mainthing.
[08:20] <anacron> :DDD
[08:20] <Mobus> (We could be WMs, RMs, THFs, BBLs, or FTRs,
[08:21] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, finally- very cool
[08:21] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, is that the .8 release?
[08:21] <Amaranth> it will be
[08:21] <direwolf> what is kickstart?
[08:21] <jasoncohen> !kickstart
[08:21] <ubotu> jasoncohen: Bugger all, i dunno
[08:21] <Burgundavia> direwolf, kickstart allows you to script installs
[08:21] <Burgundavia> direwolf, originally created by redhat, the debian installer (the one in Ubuntu) supports it
[08:21] <Orborde> Is there some way to use samba to set up normal filesystem mounts using network shares? I have some shares running on a Win98 machine, and I can copy from, delete, overwrite, and copy files to the share, but I can't edit them directly.
[08:21] <lui> i know Mobus, it is for people who really wants to learn it
[08:21] <dr_willis> gpd,  yea - nothing seems odd in the logs.. as if X is starting but some how useing some odd settings now that my lcd cant show..  nv seems to work ok however..
[08:22] <glick> wtf why isnt my password working when i click on the netpanzer autopackage
[08:22] <jasoncohen> direwolf, kickstart allows administrators to create automated installs with their own prefernces and templates
[08:22] <gpd> dr_willis: that is weird... it should give you an error
[08:22] <jasoncohen> glick, i don't know if it works with sudo
[08:22] <dabaR> glick: why not try the ubuntu package?
[08:22] <lui> and I can tell you I'm one of those
[08:22] <Mobus> I like evil
[08:22] <gpd> you should try and get nvidia module working as it is much faster
[08:22] <jasoncohen> glick, why not just use the ubuntu package from synaptic?
[08:22] <Mobus> WM likes healing
[08:22] <gpd> dr_willis: do you have multiple screens?
[08:22] <glick> but why doesnt it like my password
[08:22] <Mobus> I like WM
[08:22] <glick> am i getting owned?
[08:22] <dr_willis> gpd,  the card can do it.. but im not useing that feature
[08:22] <Mobus> I hate FTR
[08:23] <jasoncohen> glick, in almost every case, it's better to use the ubuntu package. only use an autopackage or source if you need a newer version
[08:23] <jasoncohen> or a package isn't available in ubuntu
[08:23] <Mobus> FTR + KABOOM = Happy GM
[08:23] <glick> jasoncohen, i want the latest version
[08:23] <jasoncohen> glick, you don't have a root password
[08:23] <Mobus> BM*
[08:23] <dr_willis> gpd,  hmm same xorg.conf - changeing nvidia to nv works.. odd..
[08:23] <jasoncohen> glick, autopackage probably isn't set up to work with sudo so you need a root account for it to work
[08:23] <jasoncohen> glick, "sudo passwd root"
[08:23] <jasoncohen> glick, not recommended though
[08:23] <gpd> dr_willis: not odd at all... the nv driver is the OSS one... doesn't use the hardware accel
[08:23] <dabaR> this is inexcusable.
[08:24] <glick> ah
[08:24] <nickrud> better yet, just drop that damn auto package
[08:24] <Mobus> dr_willis: My band directors name is willis...
[08:24] <dabaR> glick, its the sanme version
[08:24] <jasoncohen> why doesn't autopackage work with sudo?
[08:24] <dr_willis> gpd,  whats odd is that one is working.. the other not (well it SEEMS to be workign) gdm plays the sound.. and it was working up till a day or so ago.
[08:24] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, it does
[08:24] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, they specifically patched it for Ubuntu
[08:24] <glick> the game battle for wesnoth sucked ass
[08:24] <gpd> dr_willis: try lsmod |grep nvidia
[08:24] <dr_willis> so if the configs are identical , just changeing nv to nvidia.. Hmm ok lets see
[08:25] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, really?...didn't know taht
[08:25] <jasoncohen> *that
[08:25] <dabaR> Amaranth: is this smeg mainly an ubuntu app?
[08:25] <jasoncohen> glick, what version is the autopackage you have?
[08:25] <dr_willis> nvidia               3923388  12
[08:25] <dr_willis> agpgart                31784  2 amd64_agp,nvidia
[08:25] <dabaR> same as the other one.
[08:25] <dr_willis> Hmm..   seems to be loaded.
[08:25] <dabaR> the one ubuntu has is .8, and so is the autopackage.
[08:25] <jasoncohen> glick, ubuntu has Version: 0.2.0rc4-1
[08:26] <dabaR> no it does not, that is just the package name.
[08:26] <alex_extreme> Hi
[08:26] <gpd> dr_willis: I have amd64 too ;)
[08:26] <alex_extreme> is X still broken in Breezy?
[08:26] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, netpanzer went from .2 to .8
[08:26] <lui> gpd, I have bought a basic linux book to enter this world and I am learning very well. The thing is it have nothing in common with windows, you know? For a person like me who started with such a bad thing this linux world is a whole new world
[08:26] <calamari> Amaranth: thanks for writing smeg.. it works great (if installed via the script ;)
[08:26] <dr_willis> wait a sec.. im not useing a 64 bit dfisrto on that box.  that amd64_agp nirmal?
[08:26] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, what is ubuntu's stance on autopackage? i see it as a decent solution for users that want newer versions of a few packages but don't want to go the backports route
[08:26] <dabaR> I mean, I am not 100%, but debian sarge has .8
[08:26] <gpd> dr_willis: no that is fine... as long as you compiled the nvidia driver for 32bit kernel
[08:26] <dabaR> just install it with aptitude/whatever. and see the first screen tells you the verrsion name.
[08:26] <jasoncohen> or if they need new versions of software not in backports like inkscape
[08:26] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: autopackage is guaranteed to fsck up your system
[08:27] <alex_extreme> is X still broken in Breezy?
[08:27] <gpd> lui: that is half the attraction for some ;)
[08:27] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, rejected
[08:27] <dabaR> Amaranth: ^
[08:27] <nickrud> alex_extreme, no, I'm using it now
[08:27] <dr_willis> gpd,  well i ed the wiki ages ago and its ben working for the last 2+ Months.. til now
[08:27] <calamari> Amaranth: btw, can the System -> Preferences / Administration menus be edited, or are they completely different?
[08:27] <gpd> lui:  kde is slightly more like windows... but not much
[08:27] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, doesn't integrate with dpkg or rpm yet
[08:27] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, why is it guaranteed to break the system?
[08:27] <Amaranth> calamari: thats what my latest screenshot is showing :)
[08:28] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: it dumps crap all over /usr
[08:28] <alex_extreme> nickrud, so is it possible to dist-upgrade to Breezy from Hoary?
[08:28] <gpd> dr_willis: it must be giving you something in /var/log/Xorg.log.0
[08:28] <calamari> Amaranth: hmm.. I may need to upgrade :)
[08:28] <dr_willis> this TUrion V2311 Laptop is giving me major issues..
[08:28] <Amaranth> calamari: this is in development
[08:28] <gpd> dr_willis: pastebin it...
[08:28] <dr_willis> grr.. but its the4 desktop that just now broke :P hh..
[08:28] <dabaR> glick: so.....
[08:28] <dabaR> what did you do?
[08:28] <nickrud> alex_extreme, I wouldn't. I did a colony 2 iso install, I will keep hoary cuz it works, always :)
[08:29] <dr_willis> gpd,  if i can ..im sshd int te remote box. and is laptop is VERy flakey under linux so far.. (its nioce to ahve  2 machine)
[08:29] <dabaR> is there a colonization or civilization clone for linux?
[08:29] <Burgundavia> dabaR, both
[08:29] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, what problems has it caused in the past for ubuntu users? i installed inkscape and gaim just to see if it worked. i'm keeping inkscape 0.42- no problems seen and i was able to remove the gaim autopackage just fine
[08:29] <calamari> Amaranth: is there a wway I can manually dete items out of those menus?  Everything is duplicated
[08:29] <Burgundavia> dabaR, freeciv and frecol
[08:29] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, so, it would be crap even if it integrated with dpkg?
[08:29] <lui> gpd: yep, i've tried with SuSE, but then, when I saw gnome interface I liked more, I'm tired of things like windows, you know?
[08:30] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, locally installed stuff should be in /usr/local
[08:30] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: you probably installed for your user only
[08:30] <gpd> lui: yes! I know too well ;)
[08:30] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: autopackage does file-based dependencies, dpkg does package-based dependencies
[08:30] <nickrud> jasoncohen, if autopackage was integrated into dpkg (with the maintainer's assistance), I'd probably trust it then, for myself
[08:30] <dabaR> Burgundavia: well, not under that name anyhow. Ill search a little.
[08:30] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: so the integration won't be pretty
[08:30] <Burgundavia> dabaR, freeciv is in the repos
[08:30] <gpd> windows 95 jaded me beyond repair... even though XP is now very stable
[08:30] <Burgundavia> dabaR, freecol is pretty alpha
[08:31] <dabaR> aha. ok:)
[08:31] <Burgundavia> dabaR, happypenguin.org is a great source for linux games
[08:31] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: but it'll integrate easy into rpm, since rpm does file-based dependency (which is generally a bad idea)
[08:31] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, nope, i gave it administrative rights for a system install
[08:31] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: you got lucky :P
[08:31] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: did you uninstall ubuntu's gaim first?
[08:31] <gpd> my first linux was redhat 4.3 ;)
[08:31] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, most of the current autopackages are well built. When we start seeing crap packages, then the fur will fly
[08:32] <Amaranth> calamari: it's not easy
[08:32] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, rpm does file based dependencies? when i used mandrake i remember that urpmi required packages to be installed - not files to satisfy the depends
[08:32] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, of course i did
[08:32] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: it can do both
[08:32] <calamari> Amaranth: fair enough.. thanks
[08:32] <starseed> wow, what a nice looking default desktop
[08:32] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: if autopackage installs something that a package already has installed things can quickly go bad on you
[08:33] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, isn't that a huge advantage of building off of a stable base- you know exactly what packages are needed and the versions so dependency handling is much cleaner & easier
[08:33] <nickrud> o-O
[08:33] <dr_willis> gpd,  well ithe whole box just locked up.. :P  and its 3 am here.. i will look at it some more tommow and get back with ya.
[08:33] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: Let me know when someone pays the world to stop working on "Random Distro" so a stable base is possible.
[08:33] <lui> gpd: one thing I have asked to some friend, some linux friends, is why linux looks so cool, so smooth, everything looks so well like machitosh. For me is a dream come true because windows is so ugly I can't take it anymore. So why the fots and the graphics look so well in linux and windows look so "hard"?
[08:34] <dr_willis> take care all
[08:34] <gpd> dr_willis: yeah, time for bed for me too...
[08:34] <dr_willis> lui,  you do enable the font smothing in windows dont ya?
[08:34] <jasoncohen> yeah- and that way you don't have repetition of libraries in multiple locations and things just work better. Debian/Ubuntu is known for easy distribution upgrades (well debian was until sarge, heh). it's never been that smooth on other distros.
[08:34] <gpd> lui: that is an unusual response!  windows fonts are pretty amazing with cleartype...
[08:34] <Code_Dark> okay! i think, after many hours, I may have gotten my wifi to work! I shall return. i must test.
[08:34] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, once you add in autopackage, can you imagine the hell?
[08:34] <calamari> lui: interesting.. I think fonts are a weak point in Linux.. because the hinting is crippled
[08:34] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, well, the stable base is of course only on that distribution/release
[08:35] <dr_willis> i think the fonts under OS-X seem to look better to me then windows or Linux.
[08:35] <Magde> lui: the smoothness-difference and so on is only propaganda and imagination. turn on font smothing
[08:35] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: generally if you build against GNOME 2.2, GTK+ 2.4, glibc 2.2, and statically link everything else you need your stuff will run everywhere without any extra dependencies
[08:35] <dr_willis> or course not too long ago fonts under linux  (X) were TOTALLY nasty...
[08:35] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, yes- which is why i think it's not the way to go
[08:35] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: we can't have an autopackage for every distro, that's called what we have now :P
[08:35] <ajmitch> Amaranth: static linking helps, but at a price
[08:35] <lui> gpd: yes man, of course but it doesn't compare with linux, the windows cleartype can't do it so good
[08:35] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, i know
[08:35] <Amaranth> ajmitch: aye
[08:36] <Amaranth> I can see autopackage being useful with software like I described.
[08:36] <calamari> I like the hard edged fonts with hinting.. easiest on my eyes
[08:36] <gpd> lui: glad you are pleased :)
[08:36] <dr_willis> I like the good old days of C64's and their nice huge letters
[08:36] <Amaranth> But if it needs anything it doesn't provide beyond that baseline you get into trouble.
[08:36] <gpd> dr_willis: ya, i hear ya... my first cpu was C64...
[08:36] <Amaranth> btw, has anyone seen the new fonts that come with vista?
[08:36] <glick> heh netpanzer seems cool
[08:36] <ajmitch> Amaranth: I think we'd see issues anyway :)
[08:37] <Amaranth> they look _REALLY_ nice, but freetype doesn't handle them so well
[08:37] <glick> how is bzflag?
[08:37] <Daemonic> I'm having a problem with my linksys befw11s4 router/switch... I forgot the password and have tried holding the reset button for 30+ seconds to reset it to "admin" but it still wont take the password. has anyoen had this problem or have any ideas?
[08:37] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, the sole purpose of autopackage is to allow one package to be installed on any distro- but because it has to be able to do that it can't satisfy dependencies based on packages which is the clearner way to go. I only asked about autopackage because some users want newer versions of a few packages like firefox, gaim etc. and autopackage may not be that bad if the packages are high quality and they are few in #
[08:37] <dr_willis> gpd,  i still have several :P   was playing Barbarian - on the Vice emulator today even
[08:37] <calamari> I had to make my own Console font.. I guess Redhat isn't sharing theirs hehe
[08:37] <gpd> dr_willis: Barbarian!!! sweet...
[08:37] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, obviously using deb packages through synaptic/apt-get/aptitude is the better way to go for 99% of your packages
[08:37] <gpd> dr_willis: do you havea joystick hooked up?
[08:37] <dr_willis> gpd,  and i can still make it to like the 10th guy and lop his head off.
[08:37] <gpd> dr_willis: digital joystick?
[08:38] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: 99.999999% with backports
[08:38] <milksteak> hmmm
[08:38] <dr_willis> gpd,  i got a HanHo HotrodSE :P
[08:38] <lui> well, jejeje, for me everything look better in linux. Like 10,000 times better
[08:38] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, autopackage has the advantage for develoeprs of not requring multiple builds for each distro
[08:38] <starseed> whats a sure fire way to mount a partition if I'm not sure what fs it uses
[08:38] <Iceman-AMD64> Anyone know if there is a actual preformance increase in moving from pc 2700 to pc3200 ram ... on a 64 bit system
[08:38] <starseed> -t auto ?
[08:38] <gpd> dr_willis: very nice...
[08:38] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: We'll never be able to satify the ones that want Foo 1.234.53.6 which just came out today with one new feature, but we cover mostly everyone with what we have now.
[08:38] <dr_willis> Iceman-AMD64,  in benchmarks perhaps -- but not that noticeable Id think
[08:38] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: Developers make shitty packagers.
[08:39] <gpd> dr_willis: is that running under ubuntu?
[08:39] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, heh, autopackage is better for impatient people that don't want to wait for backports to build the package as wlel
[08:39] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: And most of them don't want to try to be packagers.
[08:39] <jasoncohen> why's that?
[08:39] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: it's a different kind of work
[08:39] <Iceman-AMD64> dr_willis only running 513 meg currentl ... it is bottelnecking the system i know that ...
[08:39] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: and they just want to code stuff
[08:39] <dr_willis> gpd,  i got emulators on all muy machines and OS's :P  vice works very well under linux.. winvice is a Little better in some ways
[08:39] <ajmitch> jasoncohen: packagers focus more on integration with the existing system
[08:39] <Amaranth> Iceman-AMD64: RAM is not your bottleneck.
[08:39] <dr_willis> gpd,  also been messing with UAE amiga emulator again.
[08:39] <jasoncohen> but then developers get pissed off when users complain about a problem that's fixed in a new release but they're using in old version packaged by their distro
[08:40] <gpd> dr_willis: yeah, i used to run vice
[08:40] <niran> i can't wait until grumpy groundhog starts so all the crack addicts can overdose, and maybe not want so much crack anymore
[08:40] <Amaranth> Iceman-AMD64: Your bottleneck is your HD.
[08:40] <Iceman-AMD64> dr_willis i either add 512 more or add a 1 gig stick of pc 3200 ?
[08:40] <Amaranth> niran: soyuz will be worse
[08:40] <calamari> Eclipse is nice with packaging.. just export to a jar.. done in no time :)
[08:40] <gpd> dr_willis: i tried uae about 2 yr ago... booted workbench :)
[08:40] <Iceman-AMD64> system freezes ... completle
[08:40] <dr_willis> gpd,  whats COOl is that i got Vice for my GP32 Handheld.. so i can have a portable C64
[08:40] <f_newton> so dr_willis what os are you running these days?
[08:40] <ajmitch> Amaranth: why do you think that?
[08:40] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, what do you think of the way fedora does things- uses new upstream packages for some software and backports security fixes for the more important stuff
[08:40] <f_newton> mandriva? bsd?
[08:40] <dr_willis> f_newton,  so far xp and ubuntu, + emulated C64 and Amiga
[08:41] <ajmitch> niran: I don't think you can overdose some people
[08:41] <gpd> dr_willis: your levels of nostalgia amaze me
[08:41] <dr_willis>  :P and various snes and mame emulators
[08:41] <f_newton> lol c64
[08:41] <jasoncohen> actually- didn't fedora upgrade the kernel in fc3?
[08:41] <dr_willis> gpd,  lol.. :P
[08:41] <f_newton> you sound like my brothyer
[08:41] <Amaranth> ajmitch: automagic merging of two baz branches built and packaged on demand?
[08:41] <ajmitch> jasoncohen: ubuntu has started doing that, for some packages
[08:41] <Amaranth> ajmitch: how can that not break things?
[08:41] <f_newton> brother
[08:41] <dr_willis> i even tracked down the GEOS disks for the C64 emualators
[08:41] <ajmitch> Amaranth: nothing wrong with that! :)
[08:41] <f_newton> lol
[08:41] <jasoncohen> ajmitch, only mozilla products- firefox/mozilla/thunderbird
[08:41] <Amaranth> ajmitch, jasoncohen: They only did that because they didn't have a choice.
[08:41] <gpd> dr_willis: my Amiga 500 still sits in a cupboard at my parents house
[08:41] <jasoncohen> ajmitch, it's the one and only exception and the reason for it was the sheer difficulty of backporting security fixes on mozilla products
[08:41] <Iceman-AMD64> wouldn;t the added ram help open the bottleneck ... as i said i get a complete system freeze
[08:41] <f_newton> well i dumped fc4 when it went screwy on me and all I could get for help was it works for me
[08:42] <ajmitch> Amaranth: it just depends on what the baz branches are
[08:42] <gpd> dr_willis: one day... it will be worth millions... (ya!)
[08:42] <raDeon> What you talkin' 'bout Willis?
[08:42] <Amaranth> ajmitch, jasoncohen: Mozilla fscked things up so bad the only solution was just shipping the new version.
[08:42] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, i know- i was talking to pitti about it
[08:42] <lui> well people, i have to go, but i'm very pleased to know an IRC channel where the people really talks what they have to talk, and where the people answer the dumb questions of a beginner :). thank gpd and everybody.
[08:42] <gvrocha> Is there any keyboard shortcut for switching workspaces in Ubuntu?!
[08:42] <dr_willis> the amiga  UAE emulator worked decent under linux . that Amiga In a Box "package" makes it a nice os in ways lol
[08:42] <niran> Amaranth, i never really knew what soyuz was, but i've started poking around the launchpad wiki since the super secret backdoor was revealed
[08:42] <dr_willis> gpd,  i got several.. :P
[08:42] <ajmitch> Amaranth: I saw the pain that pitti & seb & others went through with mozilla code
[08:42] <calamari> dr_willis: you'd know this.. whats a good sid player for linux?
[08:42] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, heh, it took 3 upgrades to get mozilla in the same shape it was before the upgrade
[08:42] <HrdwrBoB> gvrocha: ctrl+alt+arrow will do it
[08:42] <jasoncohen> 1.7.9 for the security fixes, 1.7.10 to fix extensions and 1.7.11 for mail
[08:42] <gpd> dr_willis: you must burn them to inflate the value of mine!
[08:42] <dr_willis> calamari,  actually i think the4res a few,, but ive rarely messed with them.. i think xmms and some plugins can do it.
[08:43] <lui> and excuse my english 'cause I speak spanish. I learned english because of the cable tv, je!!
[08:43] <Iceman-AMD64> Whay you think my hdd is the bottleneck
[08:43] <dr_willis> gpd,  :P
[08:43] <gvrocha> HrdwrBob: Thanks! That's sweet! :)
[08:43] <gpd> right time for bed...
[08:43] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: 1.7.9 never existed
[08:43] <cyphase> i have my printer set up to be printable from windows, but it needs the driver.. how do i set it to give the windows driver for the printer to the connecting computer?
[08:43] <dr_willis> well its now bed time.. night all.
[08:43] <f_newton> night
[08:43] <HrdwrBoB> gvrocha: :)
[08:43] <gpd> tara
[08:43] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, um- it came out with firefox 1.0.5
[08:43] <ajmitch> Amaranth: I can't recall what I heard about soyuz, so it's probably inaccurate
[08:43] <calamari> ahh xmms, of course.. thanks :)
[08:43] <benplaut> !lart Dave_Orton
[08:43] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: no, they skipped it due to issues seen with 1.0.5
[08:43] <HrdwrBoB> cyphase: install the driver on the windows computer
[08:43] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: it may have hit FTP but it was never publically announced
[08:44] <benplaut> !lart Dave_Orton
[08:44] <HrdwrBoB> seperately
[08:44] <sataere> Can anyone help me?  I'm very desperately in need...my wireless card (linksys) is based on the atheros chipset, and uses the madwifi drivers.  I've used these drivers under other distributions with no problem, and under Ubuntu they look as though they are working (the card lights up and goes through the proper series of flashes), but although it says it's connected and activated, I can't actually connect to the net!!!
[08:44] <lui> night everybody
[08:44] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, but the 1.0.5 build showed r.v.:1.7.9 - you mean it was never officially released even though it was built?
[08:44] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: I don't mean Gecko, I mean Mozilla Suite.
[08:44] <jasoncohen> ok- i didn't realize they never released a 1.7.9
[08:44] <cyphase> HrdwrBoB, obviously that would work, but couldn't i put the windows driver in whatever directory on the linux computer, so that the windows computer will get it when it connects?
[08:45] <Iceman-AMD64> What makes you say my bottleneck is my harddrive
[08:45] <glick> anyone here play nethack
[08:45] <HrdwrBoB> cyphase: you can, but unless you've got to do it for an office or reasonable size network
[08:45] <HrdwrBoB> cyphase: if you want to do that, look up the samba docs
[08:45] <calamari> glick: moria.. ;)
[08:45] <cyphase> forget it
[08:45] <cyphase> :)
[08:45] <sataere> My AP even logs my MAC address as having connected but I still can't get online!!!!
[08:46] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, 1.0.5 mozilla screwed up with
[08:46] <calamari> sataere: what can you ping?
[08:46] <sataere> calamari, Nothing, not even my AP.  I can ping localhost, but who can't?
[08:46] <spanglesontoast> is there a way of getting ipodder working
[08:46] <jasoncohen> sataere, and you have SSID/WEP key set correctly in network-admin?
[08:47] <jasoncohen> sataere, you sure you're not using MAC address filtering on the AP?>
[08:47] <sataere> jasoncohen, Yes.  I have checked checked and rechecked.  I use the exact same settings for my g/fs cisco card, and it works fine.
[08:48] <glick> nexuiz look increadible
[08:48] <dabaR> so what did you install, glick?
[08:48] <dabaR> what version/method of that game panzer.
[08:48] <glick> dabaR, i installed the bzflags from synaptic and netpanzer from the .package file
[08:49] <dabaR> ok.
[08:49] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, heh, you got me nervous. i removed all autopackages and replaced them with their original ubuntu packages :)
[08:49] <GreenDot> ok, i'm running on an iBook G4, and the bootloader wouldn't install properly, so is there a way to boot to linux using the boot prompt from the install disk?
[08:49] <dabaR> GreenDot: partition using the MacOSX disc.
[08:49] <GreenDot> i have it installed on a USB hard drive
[08:50] <niran> jasoncohen, doesn't backports have most of the things you need?
[08:50] <dabaR> Make a partition(small) at the beginning of the hard drive, for like 10MB
[08:50] <dabaR> GreenDot: youre weird:P
[08:50] <dabaR> off course, jj.
[08:50] <GreenDot> well, 80 gig in the system, and i use most of it for music (itunes and my own stuff)
[08:50] <jasoncohen> niran, yeah- i was just playing around with autopackage because some users on ubuntu forums complained about autopackage support in ubuntu- appears fine to me
[08:51] <GreenDot> i guess i could back it up and work with it 'till i get it right
[08:51] <GreenDot> so a 10 meg partition, then what?
[08:51] <niran> jasoncohen, ah i see. i think what people are looking for is for autopackage support to be enabled by default instead of having to do the script thing
[08:51] <GreenDot> could i still use the USB drive to install it?
[08:51] <niran> jasoncohen, but i've never used it, so i'm not sure. i don't think it'll be necessary for most users, if any
[08:51] <dabaR> GreenDot: I mean, I installed on a 30GB iBook, and a dual boot.
[08:51] <jasoncohen> niran, i was impressed how easy autopackage was to use actually ...after the initial install you just double click the package and choose run
[08:51] <starseed> wow, the multiverse really beefs up ubuntu
[08:52] <dabaR> not sure what you could do.
[08:52] <benplaut> starseed: wait till you see the universe
[08:52] <jasoncohen> niran, well, it's much better if users simply intall from synaptic- less likely to break something and it's easier to install & keep up on security updates
[08:52] <dabaR> GreenDot: how come you want a computer with no wireless?
[08:52] <niran> jasoncohen, right, it's definitely a neat project, but i don't think it's the best solution to the problem
[08:52] <starseed> did both of them , its nice
[08:52] <GreenDot> no wireless?
[08:53] <GreenDot> i have wireless internet, but thats about it
[08:53] <GreenDot> and i can upgrade it to blue tooth if i want
[08:53] <jasoncohen> niran, windows users like the idea of being able to just double click a package and install it but the beauty of linux is the central administration of packages allowing the whole system to receive security and bugfix updates automatically and even to upgrade distribution releases. i personally think package management is an area where linux far excels windows
[08:54] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, when the new gnome-app-install comes along, installing will be just as easy there as double clik
[08:54] <jasoncohen> niran, the only problem with linux is that that libraries aren't stable so every distribution needs its own packages
[08:54] <GreenDot> jasoncohen: http://autopackage.org/  check that site out
[08:54] <niran> jasoncohen, i'm working on something that will let people install programs from webpages using the official repositories
[08:54] <sataere> Hello?
[08:54] <jasoncohen> GreenDot, already done so
[08:54] <spanglesontoast> is there a way of getting ipodder working?
[08:54] <GreenDot> jasoncohen: so you got it working then?
[08:54] <niran> jasoncohen, it's part of the FindingPackages spec on the UDU wiki
[08:54] <jasoncohen> niran, how's that going to work?
[08:54] <Kmorph> Hello
[08:54] <Burgundavia> spanglesontoast, there is a wiki page
[08:54] <dabaR> GreenDot: well, airports extreme dont work on linux. that is what I am saying.
[08:54] <jasoncohen> niran, yeah- i read that. isn't that a secuirty problem though
[08:55] <GreenDot> dabaR: i'm using wired at home, and i dont intend on using Linux on the go
[08:55] <glick> games dont lend themselves to the open source development model very well
[08:55] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, they are installing of their sources.list
[08:55] <jasoncohen> i agreed with the user that said that installing packages should be seperated from the browser as much as possible
[08:55] <niran> jasoncohen, user clicks on an "install" like which downloads a file that lists the package name and section of the repository that the program is in
[08:55] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, the webpage doesn't change that
[08:55] <GreenDot> dabaR: it's just for doing some writing and stuff
[08:55] <niran> jasoncohen, helper program reads that file and installs the package
[08:55] <dabaR> GreenDot: ok, well, do you want me to continue on how I set mine up?
[08:55] <GreenDot> please
[08:55] <sataere> jasoncohen, Okay, I set up my AP to give me a static IP, and it still won't work.
[08:55] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, so- it can only install from the repositories you currently have enabled- it can't add new, potentially unsafe repositories?
[08:55] <spanglesontoast> where ?
[08:55] <niran> jasoncohen, there are plenty of complciations in there, and i want to make it distro agnostic, but those are the basics
[08:56] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, talk to niran
[08:56] <jasoncohen> sataere, and you don't have any ACL or MAC Address filtering?
[08:56] <sataere> jasoncohen, I also copied and pasted the WEP key from the AP config to my card config
[08:56] <niran> jasoncohen, right
[08:56] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, niran is developing it as part of Google SoC
[08:56] <sataere> jasoncohen, I will triple check
[08:56] <jasoncohen> niran, sounds great- i really liked that breezy goal
[08:56] <niran> jasoncohen, i did too :)
[08:56] <dabaR> GreenDot: ok, well, you do the small around 10MB partition in the first space on the hard drive. Then you make two other partitions for osx and linux. then youinstall osx onto the second partition, and also, remember to make the small partition a new world partition.
[08:56] <Burgundavia> spanglesontoast, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IPodder
[08:57] <starseed> is there a win32codecs package anywhere for ubuntu ?
[08:57] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, the gnome-app-install is still on track for release with breezy/
[08:57] <dabaR> then install linux onto the third one, and just select to install yaboot into the small new world partition you made.
[08:57] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, yes
[08:57] <m0ns00n> Any official developers here for ubuntu?
[08:57] <dabaR> I think that is it. Good luck, if youre gonna try.
[08:57] <spanglesontoast> ty
[08:57] <Burgundavia> m0ns00n, what is your issue?
[08:57] <sataere> jasoncohen, No MAC filtering, I don't think my AP even supports ACL filtering.
[08:57] <GreenDot> so the newworld partition HAS to be at the begining of the first disk?
[08:57] <f_newton> starseed the codecs are for the vidplayers not the os
[08:57] <niran> jasoncohen, http://niran.org/code/soc
[08:57] <m0ns00n> Wondering if there's any news of being able to downgrade to the 6111 NVidia drivers without having all hell break loose
[08:57] <m0ns00n> :-D
[08:57] <starseed> f_newton, dude
[08:57] <niran> jasoncohen, i have one more feature that i need to add, then it's done
[08:57] <jasoncohen> sataere, MAC filtering = ACL (Access Control List)
[08:58] <m0ns00n> I see alot of people are requesting old nvidia drivers in the forums as well
[08:58] <Burgundavia> m0ns00n, that is more a question for here, not the developers
[08:58] <f_newton> so starseed what are you asking?
[08:58] <m0ns00n> I have GeForce 4 MX
[08:58] <dabaR> GreenDot: yes, I believe so.
[08:58] <sataere> jasoncohen, Ah.  Then no, absolutely no filtering.
[08:58] <GreenDot> ok
[08:58] <m0ns00n> Burgundavia: Oh, the package maintainers then
[08:58] <starseed> f_newton, nothing of you .. sorry you feel the need to be a smart ass
[08:58] <sataere> jasoncohen, I have triple checked.
[08:58] <dabaR> GreenDot: test to make sure...not positive. Also, ask nalioth, he usually nknows this styuff.
[08:58] <GreenDot> i'll deffinantly try what you suggest though, and thanks for the advice
[08:58] <m0ns00n> Burgundavia: I can't "apt-get upgrade" anymore as ubuntu wants to upgrade my 0.6111 hacked together invidia package
[08:59] <f_newton> lol well goodluck at finding what you want cuz there are no codecs for ubuntu
[08:59] <m0ns00n> from warty
[08:59] <f_newton> but there are for xine, mplayer etc noarch
[08:59] <m0ns00n> so I need to apt-get install all the outdated packages by hand
[08:59] <Burgundavia> m0ns00n, can you reproduce with supported warty to supported hoary?
[08:59] <jasoncohen> sataere, do you have SSID broadcast enabled or disabled?
[08:59] <sataere> jasoncohen, enabled
[08:59] <starseed> f_newton, you're still hung up on terminology .. get a life
[08:59] <jasoncohen> sataere, disable WEP and try again- also SSID's are case sensitive...this is just to test
[08:59] <m0ns00n> Burgundavia: I installed from Warty and upgraded to hoary, therefore I was able to keep the 0.6111 drivers
[08:59] <f_newton> lol whatever you think...
[09:00] <sataere> jasoncohen, testing now
[09:00] <m0ns00n> Burgundavia: But if I just installed hoary, it crashed and froze with the new drivers like it does in any distro
[09:00] <sataere> jasoncohen, brb
[09:00] <starseed> f_newton,  this is the nice community I hear so much about? you're a great spokesman
[09:00] <m0ns00n> f_newton: there are lots of codecs
[09:01] <m0ns00n> f_newton: Just not in the universe/multiverse/updates/main reps
[09:01] <f_newton> starseed, im not a spokesman for anything I was only trying to point you in the right direction but hey you do it your way and leave me out of it
[09:01] <Burgundavia> m0ns00n, file a bug about it
[09:01] <m0ns00n> Burgundavia: Where?
[09:02] <Burgundavia> m0ns00n, bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[09:02] <m0ns00n> Burgundavia: Perhaps there has been filed one before
[09:02] <m0ns00n> oh bugzilla
[09:02] <m0ns00n> grr
[09:02] <m0ns00n> hehe
[09:02] <dabaR> starseed: hey, you know what I find? I find that altho #debian is much less polite, usually the question gets answered...what is a measure of a nice community?
[09:02] <Burgundavia> starseed, what is your issue?
[09:02] <starseed> m0ns00n, most distros I've used has a package of all the win32 codecs, usually called win32codecs .. just trying to find the ubuntu equivelent
[09:02] <m0ns00n> starseed: www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:02] <dabaR> starseed: get it from marillat.
[09:02] <Burgundavia> starseed, it does exist
[09:02] <Madpilot> starseed: w32codecs exists in Ubuntu
[09:02] <m0ns00n> hmm
[09:02] <Burgundavia> m0ns00n, please don't recommend ubuntuguide
[09:02] <starseed> sorry if I came off rude
[09:02] <Madpilot> !avi
[09:02] <ubotu> Madpilot: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[09:02] <Burgundavia> !restricte
[09:02] <ubotu> Burgundavia: I give up, what is it?
[09:02] <Madpilot> !mp3
[09:02] <Burgundavia> !restricted
[09:02] <Code_Dark> Winamp not Running
[09:02] <f_newton> yeah its the same package and its available if you want it from the net in tarball or from the repos in apt
[09:02] <ubotu> from memory, mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[09:02] <ubotu> [restricted]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:03] <m0ns00n> starseed: http://www.ubuntuguide.com
[09:03] <m0ns00n> sorry
[09:03] <m0ns00n> starseed: There you will get easy help on all those issues
[09:03] <f_newton> not supposed to recommend the ubuntuguide
[09:03] <Madpilot> starseed: see the RestrictedFormat URL ^^^
[09:03] <m0ns00n> f_newton: why the hxll not
[09:03] <dabaR> oh, its in hoary-extras now?
[09:03] <Burgundavia> !ubuntuguide
[09:03] <ubotu> from memory, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[09:03] <Burgundavia> m0ns00n, ^^
[09:04] <f_newton> who let these children on the computers anyway?
[09:04] <Burgundavia> f_newton, please remember the ubuntu code of conduct
[09:04] <m0ns00n> I don't agree with that point
[09:04] <m0ns00n> It doesn't make sense
[09:04] <benplaut> !factinfo ubuntuguide
[09:04] <ubotu> ubuntuguide -- created by Hieronymus <~Hieronymu@cp413115-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl> at Tue Jul 12 01:39:13 2005 (23 days); it has been requested 102 times, last by Burgundavia, 51s ago.
[09:04] <f_newton> Burgundavia, dont know it
[09:04] <m0ns00n> People don't come to ubuntu to go to school
[09:04] <m0ns00n> people come to use their computer
[09:04] <benplaut> grr to the maker of that explanation
[09:05] <benplaut> ubuntuguide rocks!
[09:05] <m0ns00n> Ubunguguide should be hosted on ubuntulinux.com
[09:05] <f_newton> is there a explanation of it Burgundavia ?
[09:05] <Burgundavia> benplaut, m0ns00n ubuntuguide has been superseeded by the wiki
[09:05] <dabaR> haha...to the dont know it...
[09:05] <benplaut> bah...
[09:05] <Madpilot> f_newton: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/document_view
[09:05] <benplaut> the wiki could stand to be quite a bit better organized
[09:05] <dabaR> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/document_view
[09:06] <dabaR> tsk
[09:06] <Madpilot> benplaut: we're trying, honest....
[09:06] <Matu> hi
[09:06] <Burgundavia> benplaut, start working. I (and the rest of the doc team) have already started
[09:06] <starseed> ohh ok, in case anoyone was wondering its in the backports repository
[09:06] <m0ns00n> Title Search: "codecs"
[09:06] <m0ns00n> 
[09:06] <m0ns00n> 0 results of about 3303 pages.
[09:06] <m0ns00n> Burgundavia: Not so good!
[09:06] <dabaR> okokok
[09:06] <benplaut> if i had HTML skills, and it was still summer, i definately would
[09:06] <Madpilot> m0ns00n: good point...
[09:06] <calamari> ubuntuguide.com just redirects to some search page anyways
[09:06] <dabaR> haha, html.
[09:07] <m0ns00n> calamari: .org
[09:07] <dabaR> calamari: its.org, be carefull, especially with adding repositories.
[09:07] <starseed> http://ubuntuguide.org/ is the right one
[09:07] <dabaR> tsk
[09:07] <Madpilot> benplaut: no need for HTML, just typing, mostly. wiki's don't use much HTML
[09:07] <m0ns00n> "the aim of the New User Network is to help teach, rather than just give a list of commands"
 starseed: http://www.ubuntuguide.com
[09:07] <Burgundavia> m0ns00n, fixed it now
[09:07] <m0ns00n> ^^ Naive!
[09:07] <calamari> :)
[09:07] <benplaut> hmm
[09:07] <starseed> thanks for the tip, found the codecs
[09:08] <m0ns00n> starseed: There you go :-)
[09:08] <Burgundavia> benplaut, wiki markup is much easier than HTML
[09:08] <starseed> and f_newton the codecs are install as libs on the system , which different apps can access .. mplayer uses the same libs as many other players to actaully play the vid files
[09:08] <m0ns00n> Burgundavia: Lesson for people who put people off ubuntuguide - first a user has to feel that linux gives him/her something, then they'll learn - but if they only meet a facist system where they must learn this and that, they will just go away
[09:08] <dabaR> gotta li\ove the edubuntu logo.
[09:08] <benplaut> i know...
[09:09] <benplaut> it's great
[09:09] <Burgundavia> m0ns00n, huh?
[09:09] <dabaR> Burgundavia: lets change the subject?
[09:09] <m0ns00n> Burgundavia: If you don't understand what I said, just forget it
[09:09] <f_newton> Burgundavia, what is the sabdfl?
[09:10] <Burgundavia> f_newton, Mark Shuttleworth (Self Appointed Benevolent Dictator for Life)
[09:10] <benplaut> !markshuttleworth
[09:10] <ubotu> No idea, benplaut
[09:10] <Matu> does anyone have a solution/ideas to following problem, ubuntu 5.04 both IA64 version and i386 versions crash/halts in login screen
[09:10] <benplaut> !shuttleworth
[09:10] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, benplaut
[09:10] <benplaut> !amrk
[09:10] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, benplaut
[09:10] <benplaut> !mark
[09:10] <ubotu> benplaut: Bugger all, i dunno
[09:10] <PurpleMotion> ill be back im goin to the store
[09:10] <benplaut> bah...
[09:10] <benplaut> PurpleMotion: how's fireworks going?
[09:11] <f_newton> ok...
[09:11] <PM-OnAdventure> benplaut:  WONDERFULLY. Look what I did with it: http://www.daede.com/MyNewDesktop.jpg
[09:11] <PM-OnAdventure> that window deco was done in fireworks on linux :D
[09:11] <PM-OnAdventure> *uNF*
[09:11] <dabaR> !msg the bot
[09:11] <ubotu> I guess msg the bot is please use /msg ubotu to play with the bot, the channel does not benefit much from your fun. Sorry.
[09:11] <PM-OnAdventure> oh, and im using mx 2k4
[09:12] <Amaranth> PM-OnAdventure: you created something ugly, congrats :P
[09:12] <PM-OnAdventure> blah
[09:12] <PM-OnAdventure> i like it
[09:12] <dabaR> haha, Amaranth so true...
[09:12] <f_newton> well Burgundavia that seems fair enough to me... could be a little hard to stick to in the heat of ...discussion... but a good thing to stick to
[09:12] <dabaR> I mean,to my taste too.
[09:12] <PM-OnAdventure> heh, well i like it :) very clean and not distracting
[09:13] <Amaranth> http://www.realistanew.com/desktop3.png
[09:13] <dabaR> the ass does not distract you??
[09:13] <Amaranth> ^ super clean
[09:13] <PM-OnAdventure> the next one is going to have a sci-fi look and feel
[09:13] <PM-OnAdventure> nah
[09:13] <PM-OnAdventure> im used to her
[09:13] <dabaR> ok, first Ill ask who is teh chick, Amaranth ...
[09:13] <Amaranth> dabaR: cristina scabbia
[09:13] <dabaR> before I diss your gf...:)
[09:13] <Burgundavia> f_newton, the CoC is designed so that it is followed at all times, most especially in the heat of dicussion
[09:14] <dabaR> omg, so its not even some gf or nothing, that is one ugly person, why her on your desjktop?
[09:14] <Amaranth> dabaR: you think she is ugly with her goth makeup on?
[09:14] <EnsignRedshirt> Hello, world.
[09:14] <PM-OnAdventure> and that's supposed to look any better? heh.. I do like it though
[09:14] <niran> Amaranth, i will be a happy man if notification area icons get transparent backgrounds eventually
[09:14] <Amaranth> dabaR: http://www.realistanew.com/desktop.png <--without the goth makeup
[09:14] <PM-OnAdventure> what iconset is that?
[09:14] <Amaranth> PM-OnAdventure: humility
[09:14] <PM-OnAdventure> nic
[09:14] <PM-OnAdventure> e
[09:14] <EnsignRedshirt> Anybody still using warty here?  I have a couple questions about Firefox 1.0.6 in warty.
[09:14] <PM-OnAdventure> i'm using noia warm
[09:14] <PM-OnAdventure> i like it a lot
[09:14] <dabaR> still pretty how do you say that in english...
[09:15] <dabaR> we say gabor in my language.
[09:15] <dabaR> EnsignRedshirt: hello back,.,,
[09:15] <f_newton> debar... not only is that rude but totally a matter of your perspective
[09:15] <Amaranth> what does it mean?
[09:16] <dabaR> f_newton: what is rude?
[09:16] <EnsignRedshirt> After starting Firefox, the first time that I try to open a new tab, nothing happens. After that it works.
[09:16] <Amaranth> dabaR: she is the lead singer of lacuna coil, this awesome italian goth rock band
[09:16] <PM-OnAdventure> okay
[09:16] <PM-OnAdventure> stoned
[09:16] <PM-OnAdventure> store
[09:16] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, dabaR this is totally offtopic
[09:16] <PM-OnAdventure> munchies
[09:16] <PM-OnAdventure> bye
[09:16] <benplaut> bye
[09:16] <PM-OnAdventure> bbiab
[09:16] <dabaR> it means she is very ugly, I mean, not that prettyness is important, or anything, just I would not have her to look at all the time...
[09:16] <Madpilot> PM-OnAdventure: have fun. :)
[09:17] <dabaR> Burgundavia: ok...
[09:17] <f_newton> omg, so its not even some gf or nothing, that is one ugly person, why her on your desjktop?
[09:17] <Amaranth> Burgundavia is right, we're offtopic
[09:17] <Amaranth> ;)
[09:17] <PM-OnAdventure> yeah she'd be fun for a weekend, but she'd definately have to come with a return ticket
[09:17] <dabaR> haha
[09:17] <f_newton> that debar
[09:17] <benplaut> Amaranth: that was really... weird
[09:17] <dabaR> f_newton: ok, sorry, /msg ubotu nicktab
[09:17] <PM-OnAdventure> it's not rude, newt
[09:17] <Amaranth> /kick PM-OnAdventure vulgar and rude
[09:17] <Amaranth> err...
[09:17] <Madpilot> Amaranth: op'ing yourself... OK...  ;)
[09:18] <PM-OnAdventure> heh
[09:18] <Amaranth> Madpilot: :)
[09:18] <benplaut> sibling rivalry...
[09:18] <Amaranth> PM-OnAdventure: Are you going somewhere?
[09:18] <PM-OnAdventure> tot he store
[09:18] <f_newton> if you said that about my sister I'd want your spleen
[09:18] <Madpilot> I'm starting to wonder if PM-OnAdventure isn't the only stoned person here... ;)
[09:18] <PM-OnAdventure> to get fewd
[09:18] <PM-OnAdventure> *poof*
[09:19] <f_newton> if you said that about my daughter I'd want you roasted on a spit
[09:19] <f_newton> if you said that about my wife, I'd probably go after youo
[09:19] <PM-OnAdventure> what if your daughter was fugly? youc an't help if people are attractive or not
[09:19] <dabaR> f_newton: ah...well, not that you could get it...but, I mean, I would never get offended cause of prettiness/ugliness, that is not what is important, I would get offended if someone said I am bad as a pwerson, and then again, I would not go for the spleen, I would go for my manners...but, you are free to choose your methods...
[09:19] <PM-OnAdventure> and you can't influence someone else's taste
[09:19] <PM-OnAdventure> *shrug*
[09:19] <Amaranth> Madpilot: pfft, it's just my god, no big deal
[09:20] <PM-OnAdventure> grr
[09:20] <Madpilot> guys, there *is* an ubuntu-offtopic channnel, and this isn't it...
[09:20] <PM-OnAdventure> storenow
[09:20] <KamiVIP> hi ^^ me again
[09:20] <benplaut> OK, everyone off the ubuntu-offtopic :)
[09:20] <benplaut> get in the van, get in the van :P
[09:20] <f_newton> lol
[09:20] <calamari> hi me
[09:21] <KamiVIP> when i try to run call of duty with celega i get this error http://www.shrani.si/pics/screensh59576.png
[09:21] <KamiVIP> i supose it's something with drivers?
[09:21] <hayden> can anyone help me with getting cisco vpn client to work, or how can i convert a cisco vpn client profile (pcf file) so i can use with vpnc!?
[09:22] <Amaranth> KamiVIP: try asking #cedega, i have no idea what that means
[09:22] <KamiVIP> Amaranth: maybe you know how to install drivers for ati ratdeon 9200?
[09:22] <f_newton> still bob I cant find anything about the place of hope ...
[09:22] <EnsignRedshirt> Anyone? ...In firefox, does opening a new tab work the first time you use ctrl-T (or the first time you use File->New Tab)?
[09:22] <Amaranth> KamiVIP: You already have the best drivers available.
[09:23] <KamiVIP> oh, i ho?
[09:23] <KamiVIP> do*
[09:23] <KamiVIP> but whey do i get this eror with cod it says its something with drivers   :o
[09:23] <Amaranth> KamiVIP: /join #cedega
[09:24] <Amaranth> KamiVIP: it's a problem with cedega, not your drivers
[09:24] <KamiVIP> Amaranth: oh
[09:26] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, do you know what the status is on the systemupgradetool and gdmroadmap goals?
[09:26] <Sputn1k> i can't mount my win partition: jurgis@ubuntu:~$ dmesg | tail
[09:26] <Sputn1k> FAT: IO charset utf8 not found
[09:26] <Sputn1k> how can i install  IO charset utf8?
[09:26] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, no new info on http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals
[09:26] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, gdmroadmap is nonhappending. System upgrade tool, no idea
[09:27] <spanglesontoast> can I make my ati radeon 9200 tv in take in a video in cable?
[09:27] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, I assume the latter is being worked on by Michel Vogt
[09:27] <glick> hmm looks like xchat.org is down
[09:27] <benplaut> what about OEMinstall and laptop-mode?
[09:27] <Burgundavia> OEMinstall is done
[09:27] <benplaut> goodie!
[09:27] <Burgundavia> all the laptop stuff is being actively developed
[09:28] <Amaranth> benplaut: OEMInstall probably means nothing for you :P
[09:28] <benplaut> i plan to be selling some ubuntu computers to poor kids in my school who need them
[09:28] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, what happened with the gdmroadmap. it says ". jdub has confirmed that Vincent Untz will be working on this as abounty."
[09:28] <benplaut> it can be really useful
[09:28] <Amaranth> benplaut: you're going to make a custom install cd for them?
[09:29] <benplaut> so... laptop mode will be done in time for feature-freeze?
[09:29] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, what are they working on- suspend? hibernate doesn't work on my dell inspiron 8200
[09:29] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, "
[09:29] <Burgundavia> 
[09:29] <Burgundavia> jdub has confirmed that Vincent Untz will no longer be working on this bounty."
[09:29] <glick> to bad ubuntu wont run on my sparc5a
[09:29] <glick> to bad ubuntu wont run on my sparc5a
[09:29] <glick> to bad ubuntu wont run on my sparc5s
[09:29] <benplaut> Amaranth: maybe... i dunno yet
[09:29] <glick> there
[09:29] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, anything and everything to do with laptops
[09:29] <Sputn1k> i can't mount my win partition: jurgis@ubuntu:~$ dmesg | tail   FAT: IO charset utf8 not found, how can i install IO charset utf8?... Help me please... l.
[09:29] <spanglesontoast> is it possible?
[09:29] <Burgundavia> glick, please don't spam
[09:30] <Amaranth> You know what, me having op power right now probably isn't the best thing.
[09:30] <glick> i didnt spam
[09:30] <glick> i kept making a spelling mistake
[09:30] <Amaranth> if you need an op look elsewhere, i'm too worked up
[09:30] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, isn't hoary supposed to support hibernate on most laptops?
[09:30] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, yes
[09:31] <glick> any plans to port ubuntu to sparc?
[09:31] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, if you laptop doesn't work, it is a bug
[09:31] <jasoncohen> on my laptop it takes forever to shut off and then it doesn't resume properly
[09:31] <Burgundavia> glick, there is some work
[09:31] <Burgundavia> glick, totally unofficially
[09:31] <glick> heh i found a 100mhz pentium with 32mb ram outside today
[09:32] <glick> wonder what if anything i should do with it
[09:32] <jasoncohen> glick, debian will run on sparc
[09:32] <glick> jasoncohen, yeah thats what i having running on one of em
[09:32] <glick> i should probably put it back where i found it
[09:33] <glick> it boots
[09:33] <glick> and works
[09:33] <glick> but what the hell can i do with it
[09:33] <f_newton> glick turn it into a household controller
[09:33] <spanglesontoast> can I make my ati radeon 9200 tv in take in a video in cable?
[09:34] <glick> oh gawd
[09:34] <glick> a household controller...are you listening to yourself?
[09:34] <f_newton> glick install something like os2 on it and have it regulate your household utilities tec
[09:34] <f_newton> uh etc
[09:35] <f_newton> computer controlled water heaters can save you nearly 400 dollars a year alone
[09:36] <glick> id rather just use a small embedded shizzy for 50 bucks then a coputer with a 300 watt power supply and a loud ass fan
[09:36] <f_newton> well then sorry I mentioned it... how may shizzys do you have to buy? when one closet mounted box will do?
[09:36] <Amaranth> glick: Please don't swear.
[09:37] <f_newton> is shizzy swearing?
[09:37] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, other than the laptop work, what other big changes will be made in breezy?
[09:37] <f_newton> oh never mind
[09:37] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, see the 2.12 stuff?
[09:37] <jasoncohen> ...hopefully the audio issues with ESD will be resolved
[09:37] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, they are, with alsa dmix
[09:38] <jasoncohen> saw that, but alsa dmix only works for some soundcards
[09:38] <glick> the electricity from the computer would cancel out the money saved from the water heater
[09:38] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, yes, but that is better than nothing
[09:38] <jasoncohen> true
[09:38] <Burgundavia> and the widespread testing will be good
[09:38] <jasoncohen> i heard fedora 4 has severe sound issues from one review- crackly sound with a popular sblive card and no fix
[09:39] <jasoncohen> also heard DVD playback was broken even with libdvdcss2- hard to believe though
[09:39] <Doonz> hey has anyone used divfix before?
[09:39] <f_newton> jasoncohen, my sblive has no problems with fc4
[09:39] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, haven't tested it
[09:39] <f_newton> thats on a different box then this
[09:39] <jasoncohen> there's no update on VideoPlaybackRoadmap - not sure if they are using gstreamer or xine engine
[09:39] <f_newton> this has ess
[09:40] <jasoncohen> f_newton, what do you think of fc4? i didn't want to deal with repository hell but i read fc4 has a very fast startup and  is very fast overall
[09:40] <jasoncohen> f_newton, you mean esd?
[09:40] <aarcane> With the packages found in the officially recognized repositories, including backports, or the official hoary install CD, how can I resize a Windows NTFS Partition on hda1, move a swap partition on hda2 to the beginning of free space, and resize a reiserfs partition on hda3 to the beginning of the new free space
[09:40] <f_newton> well the repo hell is why i took a chance on ubuntu
[09:40] <f_newton> fc4 seems to deteriorate after a while and the updating is a serious nightmare
[09:41] <f_newton> so far this ubuntu seems to run fine but there are some quirks about it
[09:41] <f_newton> and its not nearly as slick
[09:41] <f_newton> but it runs really well
[09:41] <jasoncohen> aarcane, sudo apt-get install gparted ntfsprogs
[09:42] <jasoncohen> aarcane, oh and reiserfsprogs
[09:42] <jasoncohen> f_newton, not as slick?
[09:42] <f_newton> jasoncohen, fc4 gnome is a very well done w/m
[09:43] <aarcane> jasoncohen, I think ubuntu was smart enough to include reiserfsprogs when I installed with a reiserfs root drive..  I hope so at least
[09:43] <aarcane> *partition
[09:43] <jasoncohen> aarcane, one would hope
[09:43] <jasoncohen> dpkg -l reiserfsprogs
[09:44] <Whistler> is there any programs for downloading whole website?
[09:45] <Whistler> for offline viewing
[09:45] <aarcane> yaaaaay, I have reiserfsprogs :D  thank you very much, jasoncohen, Hopefully this will work and work well :)
[09:46] <JeffAMcGee> try wget
[09:47] <Razor-X> wow, my voice sounds like a missionary
[09:47] <Whistler> any suggestions?
[09:47] <Razor-X> all soft, and nice
[09:47] <Razor-X> -_-
[09:47] <f_newton> jasoncohen, ubuntu is faster then fc4 by a long shot
[09:50] <Ledo> Hey
[09:50] <Ledo> anyone up for helpin a noob with installin ubuntu
[09:51] <Whistler> i wanna download website for offline browsing any software for this task?
[09:51] <MrRagga> Ledo: what kind of problems do you have? i have 5 min left before i have to go
[09:51] <joachim_> hi
[09:52] <MrRagga> whisKy: wget -mr domain.tld
[09:52] <MrRagga> joachim_: hi
[09:52] <Madpilot> Ledo: have you seen the Ubuntu wiki install pages?
[09:52] <joachim_> why does  "cp .Skype/ ~" give me an error of cp: omitting directory `.Skype/' ?
[09:52] <Ledo> ok. i get a missing config error, /etc/x11/xf86config-4 missing
[09:52] <joachim_> what does it mean?
[09:52] <Ledo> yeah but it didnt help
[09:53] <[SteveB] > how do i get nvidia-glx working here
[09:53] <Whistler> i wanna download website for offline browsing any software for this task?
[09:53] <Ledo> And gnome wont start, it just flashes at the logon screen then gives a xfree86 error
[09:53] <[SteveB] > i installed it using the synaptics package manager (i think i got it right) but am unsure of what else needs to be done
[09:53] <Ledo> steveb - u need the package
[09:53] <rei> alow
[09:54] <[SteveB] > Ledo: i got it i think
[09:54] <Ledo> when i type: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable i get the error /etc/x11/xf86config-4 missing, and something about xserver
[09:54] <Solo> how can i identify my user "dag" as the root so that i can chmod a folder ..?
[09:55] <joachim_> ah. *ggogles for answer*
[09:55] <[SteveB] > Ledo: so what else would i need to do besides install the package
[09:55] <Ledo> enable it
[09:56] <MrRagga> Whistler: wget -mr domain.tld
[09:56] <[SteveB] > also i never set a root pass
[09:56] <Ledo> if you can get to the cmd thingy enter this: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[09:56] <MrRagga> whisKy: sorry
[09:56] <[SteveB] > this is my first time using ubuntu
[09:56] <[SteveB] > how come it didnt ask for me to set a root pass
[09:56] <Madpilot> !sudo
[09:56] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:56] <Madpilot> [SteveB] : see the URL that ubotu just provided
[09:56] <[SteveB] > k
[09:57] <Madpilot> Ubuntu uses sudo istead
[09:57] <[SteveB] > ok
[09:57] <[SteveB] > well
[09:57] <[SteveB] > steve@desktop:~$ sudo nvidia-glx-config
[09:57] <[SteveB] > Password:
[09:57] <[SteveB] > MY password? or root pass? what does it want
[09:57] <Madpilot> your password
[09:57] <Burgundavia> your password
[09:58] <Whistler> MrRagga but it donwloads index only
[09:58] <Whistler> i need to download whole website
[09:58] <Ledo> root pass
[09:58] <Amaranth> all your breezy freaks will like this news
[09:58] <Ledo> or your pass
[09:58] <Ledo> depending on usename
[09:59] <Amaranth> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12 is one build failure away from being available
[09:59] <Amaranth> s/your/you/
[09:59] <Whistler> :)
[09:59] <Madpilot> Ledo: your pass in Ubuntu, by default
[09:59] <Ledo> ahh ok, so ill try ubuntu again
[09:59] <Ledo> back to setup ;)
[10:02] <MrRagga> whisKy: what is the name of the site?
[10:02] <MrRagga> URL?
[10:02] <batma8> hey everyone, does anyone hav etime to help me out with an ra2500 wireless setup?
[10:02] <batma8> im frickin lost
[10:03] <MrRagga> !listdb
[10:03] <Razor-X> f_newton: what's your default Terminal Emulator?
[10:03] <Razor-X> batma8: what's a ra2500?
[10:03] <Doonz> if something is giving me a segment error what should i look for to fix it?
[10:03] <batma8> ralink tech 2500 wireless internal, for an averatec 3250 laptop
[10:04] <Razor-X> Doonz: a number of things
[10:04] <Razor-X> :(
[10:04] <Doonz> crap
[10:04] <batma8> ive had it running, but i had to reformat, and its been alonnnnnnng time
[10:04] <Razor-X> batma8: have you tried the ndiswrapper stuff?
[10:04] <Whistler> i wanna download website for offline browsing any software for this task?
[10:04] <batma8> i dloaded ndiswrapper but i dont really know how to use it
[10:04] <Razor-X> Whistler: one of the best UNIX apps available, wget
[10:04] <batma8> and i think i have the right driver too
[10:05] <Razor-X> !tell batma8 about wireless
[10:05] <Whistler> but wget donwloads only 1 page
[10:05] <MrRagga> Whistler: what is the name of the site, URL?
[10:05] <[SteveB] > how can i make X use a specific res.
[10:05] <Razor-X> that should link to ndiswrapper
[10:05] <Whistler> http://how-to.ten.lt/
[10:05] <Razor-X> Whistler: have you read the wget man page?
[10:05] <[SteveB] > the only method i know is editing the conf but im wondering if theres a newer/better way
[10:05] <Razor-X> !tell [SteveB]  about resolution
[10:05] <batma8> thank you razor
[10:05] <[SteveB] > thank you too, Razor-X
[10:05] <[SteveB] > lol
[10:05] <Razor-X> Whistler: the man page says you can use ``wget -r''
[10:05] <Razor-X> wget -r is recursive
[10:06] <Razor-X> then, if memory serves me right, -l determines the level to which it stops recursion
[10:06] <Razor-X> see, reading helps ;)
[10:06] <Whistler> no easier way?
[10:06] <Whistler> :D
[10:07] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, i saw some info about 2.12. what major changes will be introduced?
[10:07] <MrRagga> Whistler: check out the index.html , maybe the stuff you want to download is redirected to another host. usually wget works fine, have to go cya
[10:07] <[SteveB] > Razor-X: well it uses 1600x1200 by default but i'd prefer it to use 1280x960
[10:07] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-12/
[10:07] <Razor-X> [SteveB] : that howto should help with that
[10:07] <Razor-X> it helps with all resolutions
[10:07] <[SteveB] > Razor-X: ok
[10:07] <Madpilot> I'm imagining wget -r running through a big website - that would be entertaining to watch from a distance
[10:07] <Madpilot> at least it respects robots.txt...
[10:08] <SquareGuy> batma8, Razor-X this might be of interest too.  http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
[10:08] <Whistler> ok thx bb
[10:09] <PurpleMotion> i've got a 2litre of that cherry vanilla dr pepper in the freezer becoming a slurpie
[10:09] <PurpleMotion> err slurpee
[10:09] <PurpleMotion> should be good
[10:09] <Razor-X> SquareGuy: what is it of?
[10:10] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: what terminal emulator do you use?
[10:10] <rei> alow
[10:10] <PurpleMotion> konsole
[10:10] <PurpleMotion> (I'm a big kde fan)
[10:10] <SquareGuy> Razor-X, it it an opensource driver for that card
[10:10] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: not a problem, i'm compiling a list of most used terminal emulators for my video segment
[10:10] <Razor-X> SquareGuy: I don't use that card so, meh
[10:10] <PurpleMotion> right on
[10:11] <PurpleMotion> i bet eterm and xterm are real high on that list
[10:11] <Razor-X> that's why I said above ``I sound like a missionary'' ;)
[10:11] <Razor-X> yeah, I use Eterm myself
[10:11] <SquareGuy> Razor-X, i know i said that to the both of you since it was you who was helping him
[10:11] <PurpleMotion> Razor-X:  do they think you're a nerd in school?
[10:11] <Razor-X> SquareGuy: mmmkay
[10:11] <PurpleMotion> They thought I was a nerd in school
[10:11] <PurpleMotion> but now
[10:11] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: of course
[10:11] <Razor-X> I don't care though
[10:11] <Razor-X> I wear math on my shirt, meh
[10:12] <Razor-X> but, I never thought I sounded so meek.... *shrugs*
[10:12] <Razor-X> all outspoken, and stuff
[10:12] <PurpleMotion> I'm the one who makes good money.. the one the girls are looking at six years after high school when it's time to find a provider :D
[10:12] <Razor-X> SquareGuy: what's your favorite terminal emulator?
[10:12] <PurpleMotion> and all those jocks are used car salesmen whose kids dont listen to them
[10:12] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: hahahaha!!
[10:13] <Razor-X> I also found out first hand why people use ``scripts'' ;)
[10:13] <PurpleMotion> wise things float from these fingertips, my boy... wise things, indeed
[10:13] <Razor-X> I messed up the first line of the program 3 times, because I was thinking off the top of my head
[10:13] <PurpleMotion> cause you can do just about anything with them
[10:13] <Razor-X> meh
[10:13] <Razor-X> I still do a good Palpatine though ;)
[10:13] <PurpleMotion> a good what?
[10:14] <Razor-X> Episode III
[10:14] <PurpleMotion> oh
[10:14] <PurpleMotion> havent seen
[10:14] <bluetux_tbook> hi, can i get old source? using apt-get souce some old version?
[10:14] <Razor-X> o_O
[10:14] <PurpleMotion> not my thing
[10:15] <Razor-X> bluetux_tbook: not sure, really
[10:15] <PurpleMotion> bluetux_tbook:  well, if there's a package int he repositories of that version, and a corresponding source package, then yes
[10:15] <SquareGuy> Razor-X, you mean for shell work or for actual terminal emulation for remote connections to various hardware?
[10:16] <Razor-X> SquareGuy: well, nowadays, the VT100 isn't the only Terminal Emulator ;)
[10:16] <Razor-X> rxvt and the like are generally reffered to as software Terminal Emulators
[10:16] <Razor-X> and shells are, technically, BASH, zsh, etc.
[10:16] <bluetux_tbook> PurpleMotion, Razor-X Thanks all
[10:16] <Razor-X> bluetux_tbook: don't thank me, I just said ``I don't know'' ;)
[10:16] <PurpleMotion> VT100 is still the standard, though
[10:16] <Razor-X> that's true
[10:17] <SquareGuy> Razor-X, well about all i use now is gnome terminal.  i have used putty and at work i used a commercial terminal but i forget its name
[10:17] <bluetux_tbook> Razor-X, :-)
[10:17] <Razor-X> I'm going to have to mux the audio and video after I finish production
[10:17] <PurpleMotion> damn man
[10:17] <Razor-X> SquareGuy: cool
[10:17] <PurpleMotion> the munchies kicked my ass
[10:17] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: munchies?
[10:17] <PurpleMotion> uh huh
[10:17] <Amaranth> PurpleMotion: Talk about illegal things should go elsewhere.
[10:18] <PurpleMotion> being hungry is illegal?
[10:18] <SquareGuy> Razor-X, i dont have to connect to various old crap anymore hehe
[10:18] <PurpleMotion> im goin to jail
[10:18] <F0ckF3ar22> i dont have a cd rom dirve on my sony vaio but i have a floppy drive... and a network connection with other comps on it.. is there a way to install ubuntu.. i also have an ipod that could be used as a usb disk
[10:18] <brent> hello
[10:18] <SquareGuy> Razor-X, we got rid of our AS/400 a few months ago WOOOHOOO
[10:19] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, the new gnome menu editor looks almost identical to smeg. is it a clone?
[10:19] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, no
[10:19] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, the gnome editor is much much simpler
[10:19] <Draucon> is there a way to add all directories and their contents recursively to an xmms playlist?
[10:19] <brent> if you can get ubuntu to boot, just do a server install
[10:19] <graabein> hi guys
[10:19] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: we both worked off the same sketch made by a GNOME usability guy
[10:19] <jasoncohen> ok
[10:19] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, you work on smeg?
[10:19] <F0ckF3ar22> Razor-X, whats up
[10:19] <Amaranth> i wrote it, yes
[10:19] <jasoncohen> so- why not just use smeg as gnome's menu editor?
[10:20] <graabein> anyone know how to run ubuntu with english language but with norwegian spelling and datetime format?
[10:20] <Amaranth> because i don't use their backend
[10:20] <Razor-X> F0ckF3ar22: hey
[10:20] <PurpleMotion> just out of curiosity, why not?
[10:20] <Amaranth> PurpleMotion: why don't i use their backend?
[10:20] <PurpleMotion> right
[10:20] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, will smeg .8 be in breezy?
[10:20] <F0ckF3ar22> Razor-X, well im back home and im gonna give this ubuntu installation another shot
[10:21] <brent> graabein, this sounds like a tricky combination
[10:21] <Amaranth> PurpleMotion: well, their backend isn't in 2.10 so hoary users wouldn't be able to use smeg
[10:21] <SquareGuy> jasoncohen, Amaranth, I sure hope so
[10:21] <Amaranth> PurpleMotion: plus their backend sucks :P
[10:21] <PurpleMotion> fair enough
[10:21] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: breezy's default menu editor, hopefully
[10:21] <f_newton> what in the world is a hoary?
[10:21] <Razor-X> F0ckF3ar22: how'ld it go?
[10:21] <f_newton> lol
[10:21] <PurpleMotion> doesnt really matter, either.. as long as it finds and edits the right menus, who cares
[10:21] <brent> has anyone installed LMMS?
[10:21] <Amaranth> f_newton: hoary hedgehog, aka ubuntu 5.04
[10:21] <F0ckF3ar22> Razor-X not to well... im thinking of going with the debian flopppy install then upgrading
[10:22] <Madpilot> !hoary
[10:22] <ubotu> [hoary]  a word that means grey or ancient.  Shakespeare made a joke about it in his play Romeo and Juliet
[10:22] <brent> i cannot find a deb and its not in the apt sources
[10:22] <f_newton> its a kind of groundhog?
[10:22] <Razor-X> hey, i'm recording this session ;)
[10:22] <Madpilot> f_newton: there ya go ^^^
[10:22] <graabein> http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-12/
[10:22] <PurpleMotion> cat /proc/version:
[10:22] <PurpleMotion> Linux version 2.6.10-5-686 (buildd@vernadsky) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2)) #1 Fri Jun 24 17:33:34 UTC 2005
[10:22] <Razor-X> F0ckF3ar22: that's what you want
[10:22] <Razor-X> F0ckF3ar22: the Debian from HDD, and then to Ubuntu was what I suggested
[10:22] <PurpleMotion> yay
[10:22] <Razor-X> but Floppy is end-all
[10:22] <graabein> david brent, why? i dont think im the first to want that?
[10:22] <F0ckF3ar22> Razor-X, from hdd? whats that
[10:22] <PurpleMotion> I should recompile my kernel and add bootsplash support
[10:23] <PurpleMotion> and really deck this box out
[10:23] <Razor-X> F0ckF3ar22: google installing debian from harddrive
[10:23] <graabein> Amaranth, looks like there will be a menu editor in gnome 2.12 (and breezy)
[10:23] <PurpleMotion> turn off all the pcmcia crap and modular support for every piece of hardware ever made
[10:23] <Amaranth> graabein: That editor show/hides things.
[10:23] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, how was 2.10 released without any menu editor?
[10:23] <Amaranth> graabein: And that's it.
[10:23] <F0ckF3ar22> Razor-X you do know that i have a corrupted windows 98 right..
[10:24] <jasoncohen> graabein, there will be 2- the gnome menu editor and smeg
[10:24] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, any news on smeg by default?
[10:24] <brent> why not just go buy a cheap cdrom? there only like $25.00 i bet you can find a used one even cheaper
[10:24] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: It was decided that the new menu system needed to get into that release but due to time-based releases they didn't have time to make an editor.
[10:24] <PurpleMotion> I'm getting a Radeon 9250 128DDR w/s-video, vga, & digital out...
[10:24] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: no one has contested it yet
[10:24] <PurpleMotion> tri-head video card
[10:24] <graabein> i've got smeg myself. works fine.
[10:24] <PurpleMotion> *uNF*
[10:24] <brent> how does a sony viao not have a cdrom anyhow?
[10:25] <Razor-X> Amaranth: what's your favorite Terminal Emulator?
[10:25] <Amaranth> Razor-X: gnome-terminal
[10:25] <PurpleMotion> brent:  sony can be VERY ecclectic from time to time
[10:25] <F0ckF3ar22> brent, the vaio is really small all the drives are external
[10:25] <brent> not bashing, just wondering, my friend has one and it has dvdrom and dvd-rw
[10:25] <F0ckF3ar22> yeah but its c1xs
[10:25] <brent> viao laptop?
[10:25] <brent> or desktop i should have asked
[10:25] <brent> my bad
[10:25] <Razor-X> Amaranth: mmmkay
[10:25] <graabein> that reminds me. i need to get gnomebaker and tv-out working
[10:26] <graabein> i have to boot xp to burn cd/dvd and watch movies on my telly
[10:26] <bluetux_tbook> is there a site colect  old ubuntu package source?
[10:26] <PurpleMotion> what's a good program for creating superkaramba themes?
[10:26] <jasoncohen> i really hope PackageDependencyManagement gets done for breezy so that synaptic has the same functionality as aptitude to remove dependencies of an app when that app is removed
[10:26] <graabein> bluetux_tbook, cant you modify your sources.list to use warty?
[10:27] <PurpleMotion> jasoncohen:  so do I
[10:27] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: I've heard nothing on it.
[10:27] <jasoncohen> it'll make removing meta packages a lot easier
[10:27] <brent> about LMMS, has anyone tried this? It looks like fruityloops for linux
[10:27] <brent> * Linux Multi Media Studio
[10:27] <graabein> brent, got a link?
[10:27] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, it says work has been done and there are some test packages
[10:27] <F0ckF3ar22> Razor-X, that made no sense
[10:27] <PurpleMotion> why dont they just port synaptic to aptitude?
[10:27] <brent> kde-apps.org
[10:28] <Amaranth> PurpleMotion: Go do it, see you in a couple years. :P
[10:28] <PurpleMotion> brent:  the kde-*.org sites are broken for me for an unknown reason
[10:28] <brent> my bad heres the official site: http://lmms.sourceforge.net/
[10:28] <PurpleMotion> Amaranth:  it's just a front-end to apt.. what's so far fetched about it? apt and aptitude behave almost identically ont he command line
[10:29] <F0ckF3ar22> Razor-X, isnt the floppy install easier to use
[10:29] <graabein> brent, i havent tried music producing progs...
[10:29] <brent> no binaries it says
[10:29] <PurpleMotion> okay
[10:30] <Amaranth> PurpleMotion: I'm pretty sure synaptic is using libraries, not just calling things on the command line.
[10:30] <brent> oh, I installed one called hydrogen via apt-get. it says something about ALSA though, not quite sure about that
[10:30] <benplaut> well, 'night everyone
[10:30] <jasoncohen> can a distribution upgrade through apt configure the system in the same way an install can? other than some stuff for power management and of course disk partitioning, isn't a fresh install the same as an upgraded system?
[10:30] <brent> night
[10:30] <PurpleMotion> what makes you say that? to look at it, and at it's behavior, it could be dealing directly with a single pipe *shrug*
[10:31] <graabein> anyone tried quod libet / ex falso? the music player?
[10:31] <graabein> http://www.sacredchao.net/quodlibet
[10:31] <brent> also, has anyone experienced choppy sound quality in realplayer 10 for linux?
[10:31] <PurpleMotion> realplayer?
[10:32] <PurpleMotion> heh
[10:32] <brent> yes
[10:32] <PurpleMotion> mplayer plays real with w32codecs installed
[10:32] <PurpleMotion> so does totem-xine, totem-gstreamer, and kaffeine
[10:32] <PurpleMotion> and noatun
[10:32] <brent> well i started at the ubuntuguide.org and went from there.
[10:32] <duckie> why not jst use xmms for music
[10:32] <PurpleMotion> why use xmms at all?
[10:32] <Madpilot> !restricted
[10:32] <ubotu> I guess restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:33] <brent> i do use xmms, i like it because it is similar to winamp and i always liked that interface
[10:33] <graabein> PurpleMotion, what do you use then? rythmbox?
[10:33] <Madpilot> brent: see ubotu's post above - better place to start than ubuntuguide
[10:33] <PurpleMotion> mplayer
[10:33] <brent>  i was just wondering it this was normal for realplayer or not?
[10:33] <PurpleMotion> brent:  please tell me this thing has a midi interface
[10:33] <graabein> brent, i want a player that is lightweight and works with ipods and also uses librarys
[10:33] <graabein> ies
[10:34] <whitefang> how do i make a window fullscreen again after i make it windowed?
[10:34] <mlambrigger> Can someone explain how config a WLan card??
[10:34] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: the BBC in their wisdom decided to make an on-line "player" that uses realplayer: afaik you can't use mplayer/xine et al with it
[10:34] <Madpilot> !wireless
[10:34] <ubotu> it has been said that wireless is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[10:34] <magde> hachja, ich wechsel jetzt mal voller freude wieder zurck zur windowsoberflche xD
[10:34] <brent> Madpilot, what's the link please?
[10:34] <Madpilot> mlambrigger: see ubotu's post above
[10:34] <Madpilot> brent: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:34] <batma8> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/Installation...... this link is down and so far the only thing that seems like it might help with my wireless problem
[10:34] <PurpleMotion> I finally found a package that would be worth the time and effort of sponsoring into the universe
[10:35] <jasoncohen> cool- bum is now in breezy
[10:35] <graabein> bum?
[10:35] <jasoncohen> boot up manager
[10:35] <F0ckF3ar22> HEy i have a question
[10:35] <F0ckF3ar22> COuld some one help me out
[10:36] <F0ckF3ar22> if i put the whole Ubuntu cd in my ipod
[10:36] <jasoncohen> graabein, http://www.marzocca.net/linux/bum.html
[10:36] <F0ckF3ar22> can i boot an installation that way
[10:36] <F0ckF3ar22> if i put the whole ubuntu cd on my ipod could i load an installation from there
[10:36] <graabein> jasoncohen, yeah i remember. ive looked at bum... but i think gnome 2.12 will have something similar?
[10:36] <PurpleMotion> this lmms thing
[10:37] <jasoncohen> graabein, yeah, but the gnome tool will be very simple
[10:37] <PurpleMotion> does it have a midi interface?
[10:37] <Burgundavia> graabein, already does
[10:37] <jasoncohen> graabein, just like smeg, bum will have more features than the default gnome tool
[10:37] <brent> one other question, have you tried to play video from a cd, not vcd but mpgs from a cdrom. they appear in black and white in kaffine, real, noatune, and xine. when i copy to hd, there all in color. what gives? any idea?
[10:37] <graabein> okay
[10:37] <jasoncohen> graabein, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/GraphicalConfigTools
[10:37] <Burgundavia> graabein, http://www.gnome.org/~carlosg/stuff/gst/new-services-2.png
[10:38] <jasoncohen> graabein, for some reason, the gnome tool doesn't seem to show all the available services...bum also gives better descriptions and allows you to change a service's priority
[10:38] <graabein> i think i need bum. somehow ive got lots of weird services running witch i dont need
[10:39] <F0ckF3ar22> can i boot an ubuntu installation using my ipod
[10:39] <jasoncohen> graabein, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42129
[10:39] <graabein> can you boot from your ipod at all?
[10:39] <Burgundavia> graabein, ubuntu is pretty good about turning of stuff that is a security risk
[10:39] <F0ckF3ar22> well i dunno
[10:39] <PurpleMotion> nowhere does it say whether or not this program has a midi interface
[10:39] <PurpleMotion> buggar
[10:40] <F0ckF3ar22> im trying to install ubuntu on a system with no cd rom drive
[10:40] <brent> a lot of this is faily new to me but i am having a blast learning. goodbye to windows, not really. i wish my sony minidisk and my pocket pc were completely compatible with my linux system. btw, i installed kubuntu, because i have always prefered kde over gnome.
[10:40] <F0ckF3ar22> just a floppy
[10:40] <graabein> Burgundavia, yeah, i am pretty new to linux. just got converted some months ago
[10:40] <graabein> Burgundavia, and now is the time to mess around! hehe
[10:40] <Burgundavia> graabein, backup first
[10:40] <Burgundavia> graabein, and google for what you are turning off
[10:40] <jasoncohen> Mez, is anything happening with mozilla-mplayer? will 2.85 or a gtk2 version get into breezy?
[10:40] <graabein> Burgundavia, its pretty safe. like xpilot server, you know
[10:42] <brent> F0ckF3ar22, i'm wondering if there isn't a floppy install somewhere on the net for this. do you have broadband? if you can boot to just the kernal you should be able to do a server install from that i think.
[10:42] <graabein> another thing... i dont think ubuntu handles my firewire pci-card all that well... should i report a bug?
[10:43] <PurpleMotion> yaknow what
[10:43] <PurpleMotion> im just gonna download it
[10:43] <PurpleMotion> and find out
[10:43] <graabein> go for it PurpleMotion, im cheering for you
[10:43] <graabein> or rooting, im not english
[10:43] <PurpleMotion> well
[10:43] <PurpleMotion> their website has like no information about their product
[10:44] <brent> (k)ubuntu wasnt perfect out of the box, at least for me. It required a bit of configuration, including learning the commands but it was fun. I like it better than other install/tests i have done including mandriva, red hat, knoppix, and linspire
[10:45] <brent> my main problems were with sound and ppp
[10:45] <f_newton> I like the fact that ive been using it for almost three days now and it still runs properly...
[10:45] <PurpleMotion> ubuntu could use an autosensing technology to launch a point&click gui installer if capable, but other than that, it's about as straightforward as you get
[10:45] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, when will major bug testing start on breezy- after the feature freeze?
[10:45] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, it has already started
[10:46] <brent> i thought the installer was rather easy and straight forward. i am geeky though and i know that my mom could never figure it out, but she is really old
[10:46] <Burgundavia> brent, there is a new installer coming for breezy
[10:46] <graabein> brent, hehe
[10:46] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, should breezy be in pretty decent shape by september?
[10:46] <f_newton> as far as installing goes ... it does and it isnt much trouble ... if the os is built right you only have to install each version once, unlike fedora 4 which goes south every couple of weeks or next update set whichever occurrs first
[10:46] <Madpilot> brent: like, over 40? j/k
[10:46] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, already far more stable
[10:46] <brent> really? hmm ive read that mepis is easy and also knoppix and mandriva are
[10:47] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, except X is still broken, heh
[10:47] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, for some, much less so
[10:47] <f_newton> mepis was easy to install but I found it glitchy as heck
[10:47] <resiak> Burgundavia: There is? Based on d-i?
[10:47] <f_newton> mandriva has always been a rather simple installation
[10:47] <f_newton> mdk even
[10:47] <Burgundavia> resiak, the server install will still be d-i
[10:47] <PurpleMotion> ill say this
[10:48] <Burgundavia> resiak, the new installer will unify the live and install cds
[10:48] <resiak> Burgundavia: ...and they're not implementing the desktop one as a d-i frontend?
[10:48] <Burgundavia> no
[10:48] <PurpleMotion> mandriva has come a world away from where it started (mdk)
[10:48] <brent> i actually used the mandriva disk one to make my partitions becasue the partition app that comes on mandriva is really awsome. it has a simple little slider to configure your partition size. its really cool idf anything just for that. then i installed kubuntu, lol
[10:48] <f_newton> really?
[10:48] <jasoncohen> f_newton, mandriva is nice because you can install the commercial stuff and almost all multimedia codecs/programs from their official repos
[10:48] <f_newton> its gotten that much better?
[10:48] <Burgundavia> start the live cd and then copy over the data from that, once the desktop is all setup
[10:48] <Burgundavia> completely graphical
[10:48] <PurpleMotion> Burgundavia:  there an eta ont he new installer?
[10:48] <jasoncohen> f_newton, but deban/ubuntu obviously has a much larger package base
[10:49] <brent> mandriva is nice, but bloated, anmd i hate the little star
[10:49] <f_newton> at this point and from my limited experience I'd say ubuntu here is the winner in the distro run off
[10:49] <Burgundavia> PurpleMotion, feature freeze is next week, so pretty soon now
[10:49] <resiak> Burgundavia: That's fairly insane, but oh well.
[10:49] <Burgundavia> resiak, why?
[10:49] <jasoncohen> brent, heh, mandriva hires the worst artists...did you see the art in 2005 LE?
[10:49] <f_newton> and debian based w/ gnome is the reason
[10:49] <jasoncohen> it was putrid
[10:49] <PurpleMotion> Burgundavia:  sounds like it's gonna be on breezy
[10:49] <brent> but it is easy, and imho, maybe one of the most marketable for the mainstream
[10:49] <Burgundavia> PurpleMotion, it will be
[10:49] <PurpleMotion> or maybe the one after
[10:49] <PurpleMotion> right on
[10:49] <PurpleMotion> good to hear it
[10:49] <jasoncohen> brent, true
[10:50] <brent> when is breezy due out?
[10:50] <resiak> Burgundavia: Because d-i was designed with multiple frontends in mind. But I suppose putting it atop the livecd will work.
[10:50] <f_newton> october?
[10:50] <jasoncohen> brent, mid october
[10:50] <jasoncohen> october 13th is the exact date
[10:50] <Burgundavia> resiak, I was there in Mataro when we discussed X on d-i. It would not be pretty
[10:50] <Burgundavia> resiak, plus you get one cd
[10:50] <f_newton> exact date eh?
[10:50] <f_newton> lol
[10:50] <resiak> Burgundavia: Hmm, not pretty eh? Whoops.
[10:50] <jasoncohen> f_newton, they'll probably release very close to schedule
[10:50] <brent> when its out do i have to reinstall my whole system or can i just apt-get to recieve all of the updates and features. a reinstall will be a major pain in the arse
[10:51] <jasoncohen> f_newton, fedora was only about a week off
[10:51] <Burgundavia> resiak, what works on some hardware wouldn't work on others
[10:51] <resiak> Burgundavia: Eenteresting.
[10:51] <jasoncohen> f_newton, heh, but they just release without fixing bugs
[10:51] <f_newton> fedora should have been postponed till they got the kinks out
[10:51] <Burgundavia> brent, the upgrade path should be smooth
[10:51] <resiak> f_newton: Note that Fedora is _meant_ to be bleeding-edge.
[10:51] <Burgundavia> hoary was 2 days
[10:51] <f_newton> fc4 has cost them a lot of supporters, me included
[10:51] <jasoncohen> brent, the recommended upgrade process is to use apt-get dist-upgrade or synaptic
[10:51] <PurpleMotion> brent:  change all instances of "hoary" to "breezy" in /etc/apt/sources.list and then do: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:51] <wahlau> hi
[10:51] <Burgundavia> due to gnome stuff
[10:51] <Burgundavia> PurpleMotion, going to be even simpler
[10:51] <brent> will upgrades be released before official iso?
[10:52] <wahlau> breezy?
[10:52] <PurpleMotion> you dont get much simpler than that :D
[10:52] <Burgundavia> wahlau, next version of ubuntu
[10:52] <f_newton> I think I would rather just clean install
[10:52] <wahlau> wow
[10:52] <wahlau> i am excited
[10:52] <wahlau> :D
[10:52] <brent> i see, but its too early yet right?
[10:52] <Burgundavia> PurpleMotion, how about a big button that says "Upgrade"?
[10:52] <jasoncohen> brent, no- i imagine they'll be released the same day
[10:52] <jasoncohen> brent, well- you can install breezy any time
[10:52] <Burgundavia> as part of the Upgrade manager
[10:52] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, it's being worked on
[10:52] <brent> is it still buggy though or safe to install?
[10:52] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, yes, I am well aware
[10:53] <PurpleMotion> the already in place upgrade manager?
[10:53] <Burgundavia> brent, mostly buggy right now
[10:53] <Burgundavia> PurpleMotion, yes
[10:53] <PurpleMotion> nifty
[10:53] <f_newton> so whats a wahlau?
[10:53] <wahlau> wahlau?
[10:53] <brent> thats what i was gettin at. ill wait til the release, hehe
[10:53] <f_newton> some furry lil insect or scurrying spider?
[10:53] <wahlau> ;)
[10:53] <jasoncohen> brent, it's pretty buggy now- i would wait until it's released or until much closer to the release date
[10:53] <wahlau> a slang to say "wow" or "OMG" in Malaysia or Singapore
[10:53] <brent> yeah
[10:53] <f_newton> k
[10:54] <jiyuu0> wahlau, hehe
[10:54] <PurpleMotion> ill still do it the old fashioned way though
[10:54] <wahlau> hey jiyuu0
[10:54] <brent> im still trying to learn my stable system, I don't need to go and mess things up. To bad there isn't a system restore proggy like in XP, or is there, lol
[10:54] <wahlau> u are here :)
[10:54] <jiyuu0> wahlau, yes... what a small world
[10:54] <jiyuu0> ;-0
[10:55] <jasoncohen> brent, system restore doesn't work a lot of time in xp, heh
[10:55] <brent> this is the first time i used xchat, and i have to dsay, it is very mirc-like
[10:55] <brent> true, sys-rest
[10:55] <PurpleMotion> it's worked at least 90% of the time for me
[10:56] <PurpleMotion> driver rollback was also flawless nearly 95% of the time
[10:56] <brent> hey this isnt an xp chat, lol
[10:56] <whitefang> i changed my sound output from esd to alsa in the multimedia systems selector
[10:56] <PurpleMotion> I gotta give it to MS, with XP they REALLY improved fault tolerance
[10:56] <brent> sorry my bad
[10:56] <whitefang> i restarted, and its still loading esd
[10:57] <whitefang> any way to force esd to stop loading?
[10:57] <brent> yeah with that but their backup program still sux and there are many security flwas
[10:57] <wahlau> jiyuu0: well, you're the champion in ubuntu :) no wonder :)
[10:57] <Tomcat_> whitefang: Remove the ESD startups in your services.
[10:57] <whitefang> Tomcat_, how?
[10:57] <jino> can some one temme how to dial for a net onnection using modem
[10:57] <PurpleMotion> whitefang:  /etc/init.d/esd stop && ls -la /etc/rc2.d/*esd (then rm -rf /etc/rc2.d/S??esd (the one that comes up))
[10:57] <brent> i heard that vista will allow backups to cdr/rw
[10:57] <wahlau> guys, i get this funny problem
[10:57] <wahlau> i cannot setup printer :)
[10:57] <Burgundavia> wahlau, shoot
[10:57] <PurpleMotion> = Hey, LMMS was configured successfully! Now try to build it by typing
[10:57] <PurpleMotion>  = 'make' and wait until the compilation-process has finished.
[10:58] <PurpleMotion> *uNF*
[10:58] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, so, will we see anything like system restore in ubuntu?
[10:58] <whitefang> PurpleMotion, i thought there was a shell script to handle that kind of thing?
[10:58] <wahlau> gnome-cups-manager starts, and later throws out some error 1280
[10:58] <thoreauputic> looks like restricted modules have made it into breezy for 2.6.12* ...
[10:58] <wahlau> any idea?
[10:58] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleBackupSolution
[10:58] <jasoncohen> that's always been an annoyance on linux. it's easy to f*** up the system
[10:58] <PurpleMotion> jasoncohen:  how should I know? heh.. just saying ms really came a long ways in that department
[10:58] <Razor-X> lesson #2 when making your own video
[10:58] <wahlau> jasoncohen: that is because we have *control* over our system
[10:58] <wahlau> :)
[10:58] <Razor-X> don't curse too much
[10:58] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, is a google bounty
[10:58] <Razor-X> it's too hard to bleep it out later
[10:58] <PurpleMotion> poser mobile says you out of prepaid minutes yo
[10:59] <niran> jasoncohen, the guy who's doing it seems to know his stuff pretty well, so it should end up in good shape for breezy
[10:59] <brent> hehe
[10:59] <Pegasos989> Hello again everybody. :=)
[10:59] <catfox> i don't suppose anyone can recommend the ideal way of getting a postgres database from one machine on to another? i can't seem to get it working
[10:59] <wahlau> btw, why can't i nmap my box?
[10:59] <PurpleMotion> jasoncohen:  like a way to take a snapshot of the system together with apt or your install media to revert your system to a usable one without losing your settings
[11:00] <PurpleMotion> hrmm
[11:00] <PurpleMotion> would be nice
[11:00] <PurpleMotion> package rollback system
[11:00] <PurpleMotion> *uNF*
[11:00] <FaCeMaKeR_> I screwed the resolution enabling thing in the installation, so where can i chance it? I can have now only 1024x768 max
[11:00] <jasoncohen> niran, nice
[11:01] <PurpleMotion> im gonna go see if my dr pepper slurpee is done
[11:01] <PurpleMotion> brb
[11:01] <whitefang> PurpleMotion, there's no *esd* in any of the /etc/rc*.d folders
[11:01] <brent> PurpleMotion, so LMMS you have installed? I am on 56k so the install source might take a minut. Are there instructions because I am not familiar with Make.
[11:01] <jasoncohen> niran, currently i just use a simple cron job i wrote to backup every night to a NFS share- but incremental backups would be nice
[11:01] <wahlau> even webmin is not working
[11:01] <wahlau> sigh
[11:02] <brent> Hey it was MY idea, just kidding, a system rollback for Linux, just imagine it.
[11:02] <thoreauputic> !webmin
[11:02] <ubotu> To use webmin with ubuntu you have to add a webmin-root account with : /usr/share/webmin/changepass.pl /etc/webmin root "password", or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WebminWithoutARootAccount
[11:02] <mopatop> hey, if I want ssh-agent to be run when I log in, so that its envars are available to my whole X session, which file do I need to edit?
[11:02] <Tomcat_> Does anyone have a good "disable services" howto for whitefang?
[11:02] <PurpleMotion> brent:  it's compiling
[11:02] <PurpleMotion> whitefang:  esound, my bad.. replace esd with esound
[11:02] <PurpleMotion> or not
[11:02] <PurpleMotion> hrmm
[11:02] <PurpleMotion> maybe gnome loads it
[11:02] <mopatop> it does
[11:02] <mopatop> killall esd; esd
[11:03] <Pegasos989> Duringm y update came error report:
[11:03] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleBackupSolution - read the outstanding issues section...apparently they are thinking of a restore type functionality
[11:03] <Pegasos989> hmmwich i obiously forgot to copy
[11:03] <brent> someone needs to post a compiled deb with all resources so that everyone can easilt apt-get it
[11:03] <whitefang> mopatop, how do i stop gnome from loading it? i tried using the gnome multimedia systems selector, and that didn't work.
[11:03] <Pegasos989> nevwermind
[11:03] <Tomcat_> whitefang: You can install the "rcconf" package and then run "sudo rcconf"... you can disable esd there.
[11:03] <Trace> Does anyone know how to use partimage with "-B"?
[11:03] <whitefang> cool, thanks.
[11:03] <brent> thats what makes the debian based distros so awesome imho, even better than rpm i think
[11:04] <PurpleMotion> which would put it in /etc/X11/gdm/Xsession
[11:04] <thoreauputic> quick and dirty way to disble esd :  chmod -x /usr/bin/esd
[11:04] <PurpleMotion> whitefang:  /etc/X11/gdm/Xsession
[11:04] <PurpleMotion> it's int hat file
[11:04] <PurpleMotion> or it should be, ill check
[11:04] <mopatop> anyway, anyone know which file I can put "ssh-agent" in so it loads really early on after I log in to gdm?
[11:05] <PurpleMotion> nope, not there either
[11:05] <PurpleMotion> maybe there's an option int he gnome configuration to tell it to use something other than esd
[11:05] <whitefang> PurpleMotion, there is, the Multimedia ystems Selector
[11:05] <whitefang> its installed with the kubuntu base system
[11:05] <whitefang> and it doesn't work
[11:05] <Burgundavia> mopatop, yes
[11:05] <whitefang> i changed it from esd to alsa, and it won't work.
[11:05] <Burgundavia> mopatop, system-->prefs-->session
[11:06] <PurpleMotion> hrmm, it works for me
[11:06] <Burgundavia> mopatop, third tab, add a new application
[11:06] <brent> hmmm
[11:06] <brent> yawn
[11:06] <PurpleMotion> but i dont use esd, kubuntu autoswitched me to alsa... which i would have done anyways
[11:06] <Tomcat_> whitefang: If esd is still running in the background, alsa might not work.
[11:06] <whitefang> Tomcat_, i know, i rebooted the whole system
[11:06] <brent> PurpleMotion, how long does it take to compile?
[11:07] <mopatop> Burgundavia, ssh-agent sets envars, will they be available to all of gnome if I use that?
[11:07] <whitefang> and it didn't work, the Multimedia Systems Selector is still set to alsa, and esd still loaded
[11:07] <whitefang> seems like a bug
[11:07] <Burgundavia> mopatop, no idea
[11:07] <PurpleMotion> brent:  btfoom... all i can say is stiiiiiill going
[11:07] <mopatop> okay
[11:07] <Tomcat_> whitefang: It depends on your soundcard... many soundcards won't play alsa sounds when esd is loaded.
[11:07] <Tomcat_> whitefang: Might be another problem though.
[11:08] <brent> well...its cool. its about 4:00 a.m. here and i gotta go. another alnighter, hehe
[11:08] <dmoyne> hello ! ; I have a question about encoding of file names in particular as I have exprienced problems lately with names written in French language ; I had to select "LANG=fr_FR.ISO-8859-15" and "G_FILENAME_ENCODING=ISO-8859-15" to get it working ; why UTF-8 was nor working ?
[11:08] <PurpleMotion> brent i hope it has a midi interface
[11:08] <brent> peace everyone, i hope to chat with you some other time ;)
[11:08] <whitefang> Tomcat_, i killed esd and its still not working.
[11:08] <Earered> Tomcat_, perhaps using this software will help whitefang: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42129
[11:09] <brent> well see next time i have access to high speed ill check it out., i need to learn more before i go compiling stuff. maybe soon someone will post the .deb for apt-get? i hope
[11:09] <brent> anyway, later folks
[11:09] <jino> how can i dial through modem?
[11:10] <PurpleMotion> if it has midi support, i may sponsor it myself
[11:10] <whitefang> Tomcat_, thanks.
[11:10] <Tomcat_> Earered: I suggested rcconf... it's the same, but console. :)
[11:10] <whitefang> neither of them are in the default repositories
[11:10] <Tomcat_> whitefang: In that case it's something else... if esd is not running, alsa should definitely work.
[11:10] <trygvebw> hi
[11:10] <trygvebw> i've got X running in Breezy, but there are some problems with xkb (i get an error message on GNOME start stating that it doesn't work correctly. anyone know how to fix that? is it possible at all?
[11:10] <brent> jino, how are you online now?
[11:10] <whitefang> Tomcat_, well it does, but the gnome sounds arn't working any more.
[11:10] <brent> jino, external modem is the only easy way to dialout
[11:10] <jino> is it?
[11:11] <jino> am online through a leased line
[11:11] <Earered> Tomcat_, I tend to prefer gui, I'm too lazy to read man pages :p
[11:11] <jino> broad band
[11:11] <Tomcat_> whitefang: That's normal... gnome sounds only work through esd afaik.
[11:11] <brent> any other driver controllerless modem is difficult to make work
[11:11] <dmoyne>  trygvebw : I had the same problem Shift keys not active on keyboard ; I had to reinstall hoary !
[11:11] <whitefang> oh well.
[11:11] <whitefang> doesn't matter.
[11:11] <Tomcat_> Earered: rcconf has a GUI... but curses, not GTK :)
[11:11] <jino> how can i configure my internal modem?
[11:11] <whitefang> now i just wish i could make my guild wars screen FULLSCREEN again.
[11:11] <trygvebw> dmoyne: well, this is breezy
[11:11] <jino> brent, it does get detected
[11:12] <Tomcat_> whitefang: I can give you a howto that will make alsa and esd work at the same time if you want...
[11:12] <jino> but where is the dialler
[11:12] <dmoyne> yes yhis is what we talk about arent'we ! ; I think this problem is related to Xorg or XFree86
[11:12] <trygvebw> dmoyne: of course
[11:13] <brent> jino, kppp or gnome dialer
[11:13] <brent> wait just a sec ill find links for you.
[11:13] <dmoyne> it is a pitty because otherwise everything was apparently working but no way to accomodate such a keyboard layout !
[11:13] <PurpleMotion> http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/946
[11:13] <PurpleMotion> holy crap
[11:14] <PurpleMotion> that's the single largest command line i have ever seen
[11:14] <whitefang> Tomcat_, sure, what's the URL?
[11:14] <dmoyne> where can we find game for Ubuntu
[11:14] <jino> okie
[11:14] <brent> pry need to scrap internal miodem, i bought my US robotics external for eight dollars used. im sure you can find a cheap used serial modem. note: must be serial. ill give you links i found, stanby
[11:14] <PurpleMotion> best buy
[11:14] <PurpleMotion> circuit city
[11:14] <PurpleMotion> wherever great games are sold :)
[11:15] <Tomcat_> whitefang: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[11:15] <dmoyne> I am talking about free games that I had on other distro
[11:15] <PurpleMotion> look in synaptic under games
[11:15] <whitefang> anyone know how to change a game back to fullscreen after making it windowed? (im using cedega)
[11:15] <Tomcat_> whitefang: After doing that, you can use esd or alsa, whatever you want... both will work.
[11:15] <PurpleMotion> alt-enter?
[11:15] <whitefang> Tomcat_, cool, thanks.
[11:16] <dmoyne> synaptic shows what the repositeries offer then if you do not update repositries you do not see do you ?
[11:16] <jino> brent, how can i get my mpeg cds to work
[11:16] <PurpleMotion> thats right
[11:16] <jino> some kinda plugin issues
[11:17] <PurpleMotion> mpeg cd's? video or audio?
[11:17] <Tomcat_> Thanks PurpleMotion. :P
[11:17] <jino> can u help me sorting it?
[11:17] <dmoyne> then what about repositry for game ?
[11:17] <jino> video
[11:17] <PurpleMotion> dmoyne:  look under games
[11:17] <PurpleMotion> jino:  watch ubotu
[11:17] <PurpleMotion> !restricted
[11:17] <ubotu> from memory, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:17] <PurpleMotion> jino:  after that, the package is w32codecs
[11:17] <duckie> use synaptic to download the plug ins for the videos
[11:18] <Burgundavia> dmoyne, search synaptic for games
[11:18] <jino> i have installed win32
[11:18] <wahlau> !nmap
[11:18] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, wahlau
[11:18] <Burgundavia> dmoyne, sections-->games
[11:18] <brent> jino, heres how i figured out how to set up dial up:  here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//DialupModemHowto  and here:  http://www.mepis.org/node/1748
[11:18] <dmoyne> I go and look !
[11:18] <brent> hope that helps, it what i used
[11:18] <brent> gotta go now.
[11:18] <jino> thanks brent
[11:19] <brent> your welcome..its late and i need some sleep but that should get you going..
[11:19] <brent> once again room, later and gooooodnight, peace!
[11:19] <jino> okie buddy
[11:20] <jino> 
[11:20] <catfox> hi all. i'm looking into creating a live cd. i want it to run zope and plone. does anyonoe have any pointers for me, thoughts on how hard it would be, etc?
[11:20] <dmoyne> agian when i select "game" category I see whet my repositries contain in "game" category but maybe there are other repositries focussed on game ?
[11:20] <jino> PurpleMotion, i hve installed win 32
[11:20] <PurpleMotion> has anyone written a python interface to image manipulation libraries? like something that would let me cut an image up according to draggable areas, apply basic filters to different selectable regions, and save them in a different format
[11:21] <dmoyne> I have to go thanks and bye !
[11:21] <PurpleMotion> brent
[11:21] <PurpleMotion> it's done
[11:21] <PurpleMotion> :D
[11:22] <PurpleMotion> man it comes with a LOT of samples
[11:22] <PurpleMotion> i mean a LOT
[11:23] <PurpleMotion> make install is taking over a miniute
[11:23] <PurpleMotion> minute
[11:23] <PurpleMotion> going on two
[11:24] <Tomcat_> PurpleMotion: There's ImageMagick... it's command-line based binaries, but will work from Python...
[11:24] <Tomcat_> PurpleMotion: And it might even have a direct Python interface, without using the cmdline.
[11:24] <Kev0r> anyone here knows how to hack gnome-volume-manager to run command when plugging in an usb stick?
[11:25] <PurpleMotion> tomcat so i could just drag lines over the image in python and use the position of the lines to determine the command to pass to imagemagick, right?
[11:26] <PurpleMotion> why don't I have midi? I have onboard Intel 82801BA-ICH2, should that not have midi support?
[11:27] <PurpleMotion> oh hey that means it automatically supports real midi devices
[11:27] <PurpleMotion> *uNF*
[11:27] <Tomcat_> PurpleMotion: Yeah, that should work... ImageMagick can do quite powerful stuff.
[11:28] <Tomcat_> PurpleMotion: http://www.imagemagick.org/script/examples.php
[11:28] <PurpleMotion> Tomcat_:  any idea on software midi synth for my onboard intel? :D
[11:28] <Tomcat_> Yeah... install timidity...
[11:28] <Tomcat_> And...
[11:28] <PurpleMotion> does that create a midid device?
[11:29] <Tomcat_> No, it's just a software synthesizer for midi files.
[11:29] <Madpilot> good night/morning/whatever, everyone. I need some sleep.
[11:29] <PurpleMotion> what about mod/s3m? xmms plays those, right?
[11:30] <Tomcat_> And you need the freepats package for a soundfont that timidity can use. But you can use commercial soundfonts as well.
[11:30] <PurpleMotion> what are pmidi and freepats?
[11:30] <PurpleMotion> gotchya
[11:30] <Pegasos989> Does anyone know why other people (finnish, they use mIRC i think) see my scandinavic letters wrong?
[11:30] <PurpleMotion> how many soundfonts can be loaded simultaneously and how does the freepats font sound?
[11:31] <Tomcat_> Mh.. pmidi might also work, but probably won't sound as good as timidity with freepats.
[11:31] <Tomcat_> freepats is alright... not great.
[11:31] <PurpleMotion> oh well timidity suggested it
[11:31] <Tomcat_> For mod/s3m... there are usually plugins for the bigger audio players.
[11:31] <PurpleMotion> didnt purple motion port screamtracker to linux?
[11:31] <kestas> can someone please help me get sound working on my new laptop?
[11:32] <kestas> alsa is configured, no errors are given, volume is up, yet no sound
[11:32] <tigermb> anyone here uses openoffice.org2
[11:32] <tigermb> ?
[11:32] <Tomcat_> PurpleMotion: Maybe... there are quite a few good players for module files...
[11:32] <kestas> cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp no sound, aplay /dev/urandom no sound
[11:32] <PurpleMotion> hrmm
[11:32] <kestas> anyone have any ideas?
[11:32] <PurpleMotion> timidity onestop.mid
[11:33] <PurpleMotion> resulted in a lot of no instrument mapped messages
[11:33] <Tomcat_> PurpleMotion: Did you install and configure a sound font?
[11:33] <PurpleMotion> i installed freepats
[11:33] <PurpleMotion> there a front end to timidity?
[11:33] <Tomcat_> You need to configure it...
[11:33] <Tomcat_> No, just the cmdline.
[11:33] <Tomcat_> I used timidity to convert all my midis to OGG, then uninstalled timidity. :)
[11:34] <Tomcat_> Way easier than using these bad programs.
[11:34] <Tomcat_> PurpleMotion: You need to check /etc/timidity/<something>... there is a config file that has the freepats file commented out... you need to correctly configure that.
[11:35] <Tomcat_> PurpleMotion: You can also try to find a Creative soundfont file via Google and then use that one... will sound better. :)
[11:35] <topyli> PurpleMotion: there are several in timidity-interfaces-extra, inclueing a GTK interface
[11:35] <Tomcat_> Oi.
[11:36] <PurpleMotion> tyvm, topyli
[11:36] <PurpleMotion> and freepats.cfg was already configured and uncommented and still nothign was working
[11:37] <Tomcat_> PurpleMotion: I just installed it... yeah the freepats.cfg is in there, but the file doesn't exist.
[11:37] <PurpleMotion> what file?
[11:37] <topyli> PurpleMotion: apt-cache search answers questions like that :)
[11:37] <Tomcat_> PurpleMotion: freepats.cfg
[11:37] <PurpleMotion> mine's chock full of instrument mappings
[11:37] <wahlau> !flash
[11:37] <ubotu> flash is, like, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:38] <Tomcat_> Oh right... probably because I didn't install freepats.
[11:38] <Tomcat_> Wait a secon.
[11:39] <PurpleMotion> topyli:  i installed timidity-interfaces-extra and all it gave me was a bunch of libraries and some docs.. no actual front ends
[11:40] <topyli> PurpleMotion: can apt-cache lie? disturbing :)
[11:40] <PurpleMotion> like it came with /usr/lib/timidity/interface_g.so which (a corresponding text file says) is a gtk+ interface
[11:41] <Earered> Pegasos989, it has probably something to do with character encoding (UTF-8 vs windows unicode and the client recognizing some but not all)
[11:41] <PurpleMotion> htf do i run a library?
[11:41] <Pegasos989> k
[11:41] <slowbro> how do i run programs in terminal? i want to test aircrack and write aircrack.c (options) but it says theres no such command
[11:41] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: try eg timidity -ig for a gtk+ frontend (I'm badly lagged here BTW)
[11:41] <Pegasos989> Can I change it to windows unicode or something?
[11:41] <PurpleMotion> tyvm
[11:41] <topyli> PurpleMotion: maybe with timidity --some-interface-option? i honestly have no idea
[11:41] <PurpleMotion> that was the missing link
[11:42] <Tomcat_> PurpleMotion: It works for me when I install timidity and freepats...
[11:42] <Tomcat_> PurpleMotion: Try some different midi files... some midi files might only use instruments that aren't available in freepats... you'll need a commercial sound font then.
[11:43] <topyli> slowbro: aircrack.c sounds like source. you need object code
[11:43] <PurpleMotion> it works :)
[11:44] <slowbro> topyli, maybe i should just find some guide :)
[11:44] <PurpleMotion> why would it be SUPER choppy?
[11:44] <bartekp> hi
[11:44] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: timidity -ia for a retro athena widgets front end :)
[11:45] <PurpleMotion> any ways to setup some kind of a pseudo device to use this as an actual midi device?
[11:45] <topyli> slowbro: aircrack looks like an evil package
[11:45] <guillem> How do I specify the order of filesystem check at "auto" filesystem at /etc/fstab? /etc/filesystems does not exist
[11:46] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: you can run timidity as a server - see the man (I use it that way with rosegarden4)
[11:46] <snowblink> what's the best way to automate security updates for ubuntu servers?
[11:46] <PurpleMotion> thoreauputic:  nice
[11:46] <Adrenline> anyone know how to change the ubuntu logo on the xscreensaver password prompt?
[11:46] <PurpleMotion> it'll work with lmms that way as well
[11:47] <guillem> OK, placing "vfat,auto" at filesystem type at /etc/fstab -
[11:47] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: I tried softsynth or whatever it's called - but it's a resource hog on my system
[11:47] <PurpleMotion> but timidity works well?
[11:48] <PurpleMotion> I'm gonna get a keyboard in two weeks... got my eye on a real nice yamaha
[11:48] <PurpleMotion> so software synth will be out the window at that point
[11:48] <PurpleMotion> but until then it would be great to have something to play with
[11:48] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: fairly well - with freepats - the main issue is a lvk of fonts for some instruments, as you discovered
[11:48] <thoreauputic> * s/lvk/lack
[11:49] <slowbro> topyli, yes... im tired of just using my own adsl, luckily ive got neighbours
[11:49] <PurpleMotion> yeah im just going to install a creative soundfont.. but how do you do that? heh
[11:49] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: beware windows-only fonts
[11:49] <spanglesontoast> how do I know my nivdia card will be compatible with ubuntu and transgaming?
[11:49] <topyli> slowbro: bandwidth hoarder
[11:50] <PurpleMotion> i wouldnt call creative fonts windows only
[11:50] <PurpleMotion> spanglesontoast:  because it's an nvidia card
[11:50] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: I didn't say that :) It was merely a warning against other fonts
[11:50] <Adrenline> anyone know how to change the ubuntu logo on the xscreensaver password prompt?
[11:50] <spanglesontoast> what so all nvidia cards are supported?
[11:51] <PurpleMotion> the vast majority of them
[11:51] <PurpleMotion> thoreauputic:  so how do i install a new font ive found and downloaded?
[11:52] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: To be honest I forget how I did it ;) There are some howtos on the wiki, and I googled a lot
[11:52] <spanglesontoast> is there a listing of where I can find cap etc
[11:52] <PurpleMotion> yeah im bunghole deep in google on it right now
[11:52] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: When you have the font youpoint the timidity config at your new font
[11:53] <slowbro> topyli, in sweden its legal
[11:53] <PurpleMotion> doesnt there have to be a .cfg file for the font, rhough?
[11:53] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion:  /etc/timidity/timidity.cfg
[11:53] <tomtej> I have a problem with installing Ubuntu, I cant boot from the cd!! Ive downloaded three different cds but no one will boot. It just sais Boot from cd: boot from cd: and then nothing :(
[11:53] <Heijmen> tomtej: did you try the live-cd, did that boot?
[11:53] <tomtej> nope
[11:53] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion:  e.g. a line like soundfont /home/peter/soundfont/PC51f.sf2
[11:54] <PurpleMotion> thoreauputic:  what i mean to say is, if you look in that file, (or rather in the freefont config file) there is an instrument map
[11:54] <topyli> slowbro: i know, i'm from your eastern colony finland :)
[11:54] <shawarma> Hi! If I want to set an environment variable that should be set globally (not just logins, but system services as well), where would I set them? I could of course set them in /etc/default/rcS, but that doesn't really feel right: :-)
[11:54] <tomtej> it didnt boot
[11:54] <slowbro> topyli, hehe nice :)
[11:54] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: as far as I could work out the file you are talking about maps the freepats stuff - I may be wrong
[11:55] <slowbro> topyli, im very new to this linux thing so it nay take a while before i can crack any wep
[11:56] <Gorgonzola> wow, just installed Ubuntu and i have to say it is much easier than any other distro i've tried... in the past i've always had niggling little problems getting various things to work
[11:57] <shawarma> Does anyone know where the canonical place to put system wide environment variables is?
[11:57] <topyli> slowbro: good. :-) i don't think it's a very nice thing to do
[11:57] <DevGet> I have problems with the sound in crossover office, I don't hear any sound when I play music in itunes, why?
[11:58] <PIANIST> Hy there!
[11:58] <PIANIST> got a question: is there any runlevel configurator in ubuntu? or to download=
[11:58] <PIANIST> ?
[11:59] <slowbro> topyli, hehe maybe not
[11:59] <PurpleMotion> okay, lmms is VERY choppy on playback.. and so in timidity for the first so many seconds of each track
[11:59] <PurpleMotion> any ideas why? this is a relatively nice system
[12:00] <slowbro> topyli, but the fun of doing it will overcome it
[12:01] <topyli> bah. i'd rather build something :)
[12:01] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: there are various command line options for timidity that might help you - you can change buffering and other stuff (the timidity man page is actually quite useful)
[12:01] <PurpleMotion> yeah ill check it
[12:01] <PurpleMotion> but im having the issue like i said in lmms as well
[12:01] <tomtej> doesnt somebody know how to fix the booting problem?
[12:02] <tigermb> is there some one using openoffice.org2 with gnome integration? my special characters (~'"^) diont work
[12:02] <PurpleMotion> the booting problem
[12:02] <PurpleMotion> informative
[12:02] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: jackd might help as well - but configuring it seems to be something of a black art
[12:03] <tomtej>  I have a problem with installing Ubuntu, I cant boot from the cd!! Ive downloaded three different cds but no one will boot. It just sais Boot from cd: boot from cd: and then nothing :(
[12:03] <tomtej> that one
[12:03] <tomtej> ;)
[12:03] <PurpleMotion> wtf is jackd?
[12:03] <PIANIST> Hey people out there! is there any runlevel config tool?
[12:04] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: like esd or artsd - but low latency
[12:04] <PurpleMotion> what are the chances apt-get install jackd is going to just work? (percentages are fine)
[12:05] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: heh - I'd say 1% ;)
[12:06] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: you need to do some serious manning and googling to get jackd working - I only use it from cli when I need it for rosegarden
[12:06] <PurpleMotion> okay, jackd is installed and running.. now how do i connect timidity to it?
[12:07] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: jackd will complain if esd is running
[12:07] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: wise man
[12:07] <Code_Dark> does `iwlist scan` create a new wifi scan for APs, or does it simply print out what the last scan was?
[12:08] <Bubbling_Zombie> it creates a new one iirc
[12:09] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: my magic incantation for timidity (not with jackd though)>> timidity -iA -B2,8 -s 44100
[12:09] <emanuel> hi
[12:11] <tomtej> Man! doesnt anyone know or at least read my question?
[12:12] <kemik> tomtej:  what?
[12:12] <deFrysk> tomtej, copied iso or burned iso to cd ?
[12:12] <FaCeMaKeR_> I screwed the resolution enabling thing in the installation, so where can i chance it? I can have now only 1024x768 max
[12:13] <deFrysk> FaCeMaKeR_, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:13] <Heijmen> tomtej: any other live-cd's that booted for you?
[12:13] <tomtej> no
[12:13] <tomtej> havent tried live cds for other dists
[12:14] <NightLord> I need help with a mouse
[12:14] <Oniano|iBook> gah, got some dist-upgrade from debian to ubuntu woes
[12:14] <Oniano|iBook> http://pastebin.arslinux.com/2200
[12:15] <Oniano|iBook> how do you go about fixing things like that?
[12:15] <NightLord> anyone know why my double click doesn't work, and why my left click doesn't work properly?
[12:15] <tomtej> deFrysk yes.. its when i boot the cd it doesnt respond
[12:15] <tomtej> kemik this is the problem  I have a problem with installing Ubuntu, I cant boot from the cd!! Ive downloaded three different cds but no one will boot. It just sais Boot from cd: boot from cd: and then nothing :(
[12:15] <snowblink> NightLord, have you set it to left handed?
[12:16] <kemik> tomtej:  that sounds really weird.. you burn the image as an image and not a datafile?
[12:18] <tomtej> kemik, well when i think of it, i burnt it with windows own shitty burning app, not with nero, i guess thats the problem.. thanks
[12:19] <NightLord> no
[12:19] <NightLord> snowblink i did not
[12:19] <NightLord> because normal single clicking works
[12:21] <PurpleMotion> okay, i dont know what they mean and the manpage isnt helping.. when i try to start timidity as a midi server, i get: sage: timidity -ir control-port [data-port] 
[12:21] <PurpleMotion> what should i put?
[12:22] <elsha> hi guys, im just trying to boot into ubuntu, but it's not liking the GUI. I previously had a nvidia video card, which had no problems and was working fine. I've since changed it to an ATI radeon 9600 card. I've followed the instructions on the wiki for this video card, but i'm coming up with (EE) No devices detected     Fatal server error: no screens found. Any ideas/suggestions?
[12:23] <Mejobloggs> maybe stupid question, but how do I use dialup on ubuntu?
[12:24] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: try for example : timidity -iA -B2,8 -s 44100 &
[12:24] <kemik> !dialup
[12:24] <ubotu> kemik: Wish i knew
[12:24] <PurpleMotion> A is not working
[12:24] <PurpleMotion> says /dev/snd/seq is non existant
[12:24] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: ah, you might need to modprobe some modules
[12:25] <PurpleMotion> such as?
[12:25] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: I had to load some modules - hang on and I'll look in /etc/modules
[12:25] <PurpleMotion> alrighty
[12:26] <guillem> Mejobloggs, perhaps through network interfaces GUI, at system menu->admin->network...
[12:26] <guillem> Mejobloggs, generating a network connection for your modem device...
[12:26] <thoreauputic> snd-seq-device  snd-seq-midi snd-seq-midi-event snd-seq  ( inthat order on separate lines, of course )
[12:26] <Mejobloggs> ok, will have a look, thanks
[12:27] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: ^^^
[12:27] <traveller> is there a howto somewhere regarding building deb packages in ubuntu?
[12:28] <elsha> hi guys, im just trying to boot into ubuntu, but it's not liking the GUI. I previously had a nvidia video card, which had no problems and was working fine. I've since changed it to an ATI radeon 9600 card. I've followed the instructions on the wiki for this video card, but i'm coming up with (EE) No devices detected     Fatal server error: no screens found. Any ideas/suggestions?
[12:29] <acid2> hi ho!
[12:29] <hmrocha> hi
[12:29] <acid2> Im trying to convert a lot of files from dos to unix format - with fromdos
[12:29] <acid2> How can I do that over all files that end in .cs?
[12:29] <guillem> elsha, make sure the "driver" is correct at your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:29] <acid2> I tried... ls | grep .cs | fromdos - but that didnt work
[12:29] <shawarma> acid2: You're close!
[12:30] <acid2> ooo, thats good :D
[12:30] <shawarma> acid2: ls *.cs | xargs fromdos
[12:30] <elsha> guillem: hmm ok
[12:30] <acid2> ahhh thanks shawarma !
[12:30] <mjr> for a in *.cs ; do fromdos "$a"; done
[12:30] <mjr> or that
[12:30] <acid2> What about recursing directories?
[12:30] <shawarma> acid2: find . -name '*.cs' -print0 | xargs -0 fromdos
[12:30] <PurpleMotion> thoreauputic:  okay, now how do i make those do that every time i boot up?
[12:30] <acid2> shawarma: :o
[12:30] <acid2> ta :)
[12:30] <loorni> I have installed SSH server so how do i run it?
[12:31] <shawarma> acid2: xargs reads stuff from stdin and turns it into arguments.
[12:31] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: put them in /etc/modules one on each line
[12:31] <acid2> ah, cool :)
[12:31] <guillem> elsha, under Section "Device", Driver "nvidia" should be changed to Driver "ati" or something like that. Check the web pages you looked up.
[12:31] <elsha> thanks
[12:31] <bimberi> loorni: it probably is (if you installed from repositories)
[12:32] <Mejobloggs> grr, my ubuntu locks up all the time
[12:32] <shawarma> acid2: What your command did was just pass the filenames directly to fromdos. It then changed the filenames (instead of the contents of the files) from dos to unix format.
[12:32] <acid2> ahhhh
[12:32] <bimberi> loorni: ps aux | grep sshd (look for a line with /usr/sbin/sshd in it)
[12:32] <kemik> loorni:  /etc/init.d/sshd start
[12:32] <PurpleMotion> now i can tell alsa to use it, right
[12:32] <acid2> so pipe connects the actually stdin/out of 2 programs ?
[12:32] <bimberi> loorni: otherwise ... see kemik :)
[12:32] <shawarma> acid2: Exactly.
[12:32] <shawarma> acid2: You catch on quick.
[12:32] <acid2> ah, thats where I was goign wrong then ^_^
[12:33] <acid2> thanks for the help :)
[12:33] <shawarma> acid2: Any time.
[12:33] <Oniano|iBook> is there a way to get apt to be more verbose about it's errors
[12:33] <thoreauputic> kemik, actually it is just "ssh" not sshd (in /etc/init.d/ )
[12:33] <hmrocha> acid2, welcome to the one-liner geek world :D
[12:33] <loorni> kemik, "No such file or directory"
[12:33] <acid2> hmrocha: :P
[12:33] <earthdog> Is there a way to save your home dir and config to a usb key in ubutu live?
[12:33] <thoreauputic> loorni: see above
[12:33] <kemik> loorni:  see thoreauputic
[12:33] <shawarma> Oniano|iBook: I'm not sure.. What the error?
[12:33] <kemik> thoreauputic:  my bad :)
[12:34] <bimberi> loorni: see kemik seeing thoreauputic
[12:34] <kemik> thoreauputic:  i usually tab-complete after 2 letters so i never make mistakes myself ;)
[12:34] <thoreauputic> kemik: easy to do - I use tab complete ;)
[12:34] <thoreauputic> right
[12:34] <thoreauputic> loorni: see bimberi seeing kemik seeing thoreauputic  ;-)
[12:34] <loorni> "Could not load host key ....blablabla"
[12:35] <kemik> argh. gettting SSL to work in gftp is a mess
[12:35] <earthdog> Is there a way to save your home dir and config to a usb key in ubuntu live?
[12:35] <bimberi> thoreauputic: this is going on a bit like "aptitude -v moo" :)
[12:36] <thoreauputic> bimberi: hahah - indeed :D
[12:38] <thoreauputic> blech - java is an unbelievable resource hog :(
[12:38] <Tomcat_> Yeah.
[12:39] <thoreauputic> 50% cpu to run a simple nuber sort game ? I just wanted to test my java install, but I really don't think I'll be using it...
[12:39] <thoreauputic> *number
[12:40] <Tomcat_> thoreauputic: Only on startup... if a program is running it doesn't need as much CPU.
[12:40] <kemik> still, java is a bit slow
[12:40] <bimberi> loorni: sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start
[12:40] <Tomcat_> thoreauputic: I got a huge IRC bot running on a K6 200... it uses quite some memory, but only about 10% CPU... on that machine. :)
[12:40] <davro> how could i change the welcome message when you remotely ssh into a machine.
[12:40] <thoreauputic> Tomcat_: this was just sitting there doing nothing at 50%
[12:40] <Tomcat_> kemik: Yeah.
[12:40] <kemik> but a dream to code in compared with alot of other languages ;)
[12:41] <loorni> bimberi, yes i did that but now it says "Could not load host key /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key"
[12:41] <Tomcat_> thoreauputic: Maybe badly written... I use many Java programs and none are that way. :)
[12:41] <Tomcat_> kemik: full ack :D
[12:41] <Tomcat_> kemik: It'll be a slap in the fact when I'll have to go to C and C++ the next semester :I
[12:41] <bimberi> loorni: oh, ok - i thought you might have left off the sudo
[12:41] <Tomcat_> kemik: *face
[12:41] <thoreauputic> Tomcat_: I see - this was a java game in galeon browser
[12:41] <bimberi> davro: /etc/motd
[12:41] <loorni> bimberi, damn.
[12:42] <Tomcat_> thoreauputic: Applets are often badly coded... and they need much resources anyway.
[12:42] <ColonelKernel> applets rule
[12:42] <davro> bimberi, cheers!
[12:42] <bimberi> davro: np :)
[12:42] <Adrenline> anyone know how to change the ubuntu logo on the xscreensaver password prompt?
[12:43] <thoreauputic> Tomcat_: OK - I'll take your word for it - I have little use for these online java thingies anyway so it doesn't really bother me
[12:43] <PurpleMotion> ouch
[12:43] <PurpleMotion> i broked something :D
[12:43] <Frafra> hi all
[12:43] <Frafra> what i must add in /etc/apt/sources.list for get kde 3.4.2?
[12:43] <ColonelKernel> what patch do i need to apply to a vanilla kernel to make it compatible with ubuntu
[12:43] <bimberi> loorni: could it be already running - ps aux | grep sshd (look for /usr/sbin/sshd)
[12:43] <bimberi> ?
[12:43] <thoreauputic> Frafra: try asking in #kubuntu
[12:44] <Frafra> thoreauputic: thx
[12:44] <hayden> has anyone installed cisco vpnclient or know how to get cisco vpnclient profiles to work with another program e.g vpnc?
[12:44] <loorni> bimberi, yes it is running no
[12:44] <loorni> w
[12:45] <Adrenline> anyone?
[12:46] <thoreauputic> Adrenline: I don't know - but you can see which files the xscreensaver package installed with  dpkg -L xscreensaver
[12:46] <liran_> i know that there's a replication of window's address book for linux though im not finding it in the menus. anyone know what im talking about?
[12:47] <thoreauputic> Adrenline: I would guess the backgound and logo are .png s or something like that
[12:47] <Adrenline> thoreauputic, thats what I was thinking, just wondering if anyone knew off the top of their heads :)
[12:47] <thoreauputic> Adrenline:  /usr/share/xscreensaver/screensaver-locking.png   perhaps?
[12:48] <thoreauputic> ah, no that isn't it
[12:48] <Adrenline> heh
[12:49] <LinuxDolt> well.  i've just gotten done installing ubuntu, and so far, the defaults annoy me :)  (that's normal though, most distributions defaults annoy me)
[12:50] <loorni> When i try to connect it says "Server unexpectdly closed network connection" where is the problem?
[12:50] <LinuxDolt> how do i get my sound to work?  i think it's trying to use the wrong device
[12:50] <ColonelKernel> LinuxDolt, what sound card?
[12:51] <LinuxDolt> i have two audio devices.  onboard ALC'97 and an ancient OEM SB Live!
[12:51] <LinuxDolt> i'm using the SB Live!
[12:51] <jtgameover> have there been problems with linux (ubuntu) and trying to get dual monitors to work?
[12:51] <PurpleMotion> [root@psilocybin(init.d)] #: /etc/init.d/midi restart
[12:51] <PurpleMotion> Date: Thu Aug 04 Time: 06:51:06
[12:51] <PurpleMotion> [root@psilocybin(init.d)] #: TiMidity starting in ALSA server mode
[12:51] <PurpleMotion> Opening sequencer port: 128:0 128:1 128:2 128:3
[12:51] <PurpleMotion> *uNF*
[12:51] <LinuxDolt> but i think that ubuntu is trying to use the onboard
[12:51] <ColonelKernel> LinuxDolt, use alsamixer, go over to the " Analog/Digital Output Jack" and hit m
[12:52] <craig> Hey all iam trying to configure xine i have the xine-lib-1.1.0 and xine-ui-0.99.4 in my home directory i just need 2 know how 2 configure them if someone can help that would be great..
[12:52] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: that looks right
[12:52] <craig> Thanks in advance
[12:52] <jtgameover> I am thinking about buying a second monitor to go with my laptop, but i want to make sure i'd actually be able to use it in linux :-)
[12:52] <jtgameover> my video card is a geforce 4 4200 Mobile Go, and i'm pretty sure it supports dual monitors
[12:52] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: you just need to point your app at the right port
[12:53] <PurpleMotion> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 14 2005-08-04 06:52 /etc/rc2.d/S99midi -> ../init.d/midi
[12:53] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: 128:0 most likely
[12:53] <Whistler> what is the difrence between point2play and cedega?
[12:53] <PurpleMotion> thoreauputic:  yeah i got it working :D
[12:53] <liran_> it looks like evolution cant import (comma seperated version address book files) .csv any ideas for another program?
[12:53] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: :)
[12:53] <ColonelKernel> Whistler, point2play is all gui and cedega is command line
[12:53] <Whistler> oh
[12:53] <LinuxDolt> ergh...
[12:53] <PurpleMotion> thoreauputic:  you have also proven to be a most useful mammal this morning.. tyvm
[12:54] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: you're welcome - actually I'm more of a dinosaur, but whatever *grin*
[12:55] <craig> Thanks in advanceget xine up and running but iam not sure wat iam doing wrong
[12:55] <thoreauputic> !multimedia
[12:55] <ubotu> I guess multimedia is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[12:56] <poningru> craig what exactly is the problem?
[12:57] <craig>  all iam trying to configure xine i have the xine-lib-1.1.0 and xine-ui-0.99.4 in my home directory i just need 2 know how 2 configure them if someone can help that would be great..
[12:58] <craig> iam not sure wat iam doing wrong i have tryed some how to's but it still dont seem to work
[12:58] <poningru> yeah sorry dude /me is not so big on sound
[12:59] <craig> i think iam just to noobish
[12:59] <thoreauputic> craig: any particular reason you are using 0.99.4 ?  0.99.3 is available in the repos...
[12:59] <poningru> welcome to my world
[12:59] <topyli> craig: how about 'sudo apt-get install xine-ui'
[01:00] <craig> yer i tryed installing that why but i couldnt get them 2 work
[01:00] <hayden> what do i need to play ogg and matroska files?
[01:00] <topyli> craig: what did you do? how did it fail?
[01:00] <poningru> hayden: nothing for the ogg files
[01:00] <hayden> kj
[01:00] <PurpleMotion> wow
[01:00] <PurpleMotion> amarok is nice
[01:00] <poningru> just use totem
[01:00] <craig> if i install that wat command do i need 2 get them to run?
[01:01] <plastic> my friend have Ati radeon 9600XT and want to install them on ubuntu... maby anyone have some link to guide or how-to?
[01:01] <poningru> ubotu: tell hayden about multimedia
[01:01] <thoreauputic> craig: just " xine"
[01:01] <topyli> craig: i guess xine will just show up in the menu
[01:01] <craig> yer i tho that would be the case
[01:01] <thoreauputic> yeah, xine does have a menu entry
[01:01] <Seveas> plastic: You can read all about binary-only driver issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:02] <craig> but when i install them through the repos it didnt
[01:02] <topyli> craig: perhaps the menu didn't immediately update
[01:02] <wtf_is_going_on> smt is wrong
[01:02] <wtf_is_going_on> my ubuntu just hanged up
[01:02] <wtf_is_going_on> for the first time
[01:02] <craig> so if i install that way all i type is sudo xine?
[01:02] <thoreauputic> craig: sometimes you need to refresh the gnome-panel ( killall gnome-panel)
[01:03] <thoreauputic> craig: no sudo
[01:03] <topyli> craig: just xine
[01:03] <Seveas> pkill -1 gnome-panel
[01:03] <craig> k
[01:03] <wtf_is_going_on> suddenly gnome quit
[01:03] <thoreauputic> craig: sudo would run it as root - pointless and a security risk
[01:03] <craig> i will try that and let ya know wat happens thanks for all ya help
[01:03] <wtf_is_going_on> i rebooted pc
[01:03] <topyli> craig: if a menu item doesn't appear, it will still be lots easier to create a menu entry than building xine from source
[01:03] <Seveas> wtf_is_going_on, what did you do just before that happened?
[01:04] <wtf_is_going_on> i were just downloading files
[01:04] <wtf_is_going_on> just like now
[01:04] <wtf_is_going_on> nothing else
[01:04] <wtf_is_going_on> strange
[01:04] <jtgameover> craig, easiest way to edit your menu is to download smeg from the repos
[01:04] <jtgameover> smeg is a menu editor for gnome
[01:04] <jtgameover> braind-dead easy
[01:04] <topyli> craig: anyway, i wouldn't use xine-ui. totem has a nicer ui and it can use xine as the backend
[01:04] <craig> ok
[01:05] <thoreauputic> craig: to get the totem back-end install totem-xine
[01:05] <craig> i will install xine from the repos and see if i kill the gome panel if it updates
[01:05] <hayden> poningru, both the video and audio of a .ogm file play in vlc but only the audio in totem
[01:05] <wtf_is_going_on> my nick hang up
[01:06] <wtf_is_going_on> nick Whistler is still up
[01:06] <wtf_is_going_on> but i rebooted system
[01:06] <wtf_is_going_on> smt wrong
[01:06] <topyli> it happens
[01:06] <craig> one other question has anyone here got counter strike source running on ubuntu?
[01:06] <wtf_is_going_on> craig i thing cedega can run it
[01:06] <thoreauputic> hayden: vlc handles some formats better, xine or totem handles others better (I find)
[01:06] <wtf_is_going_on> k
[01:06] <poningru> hayden: try installing totem-xine
[01:07] <Seveas> wtf_is_going_on, that sometimes happens when someone disconnects without notifying the server
[01:07] <poningru> because like thoreauputic said
[01:07] <Seveas> the nick will be killed automagically
[01:07] <craig> ok bbs thanks everyone for all ya help
[01:07] <Oniano|iBook> right...ubuntu-desktop apt-get installin
[01:07] <wtf_is_going_on> k
[01:07] <wtf_is_going_on> =] 
[01:07] <Seveas> wtf_is_going_on, did you register the nickname Whistler ?
[01:08] <hubsi> hallo, bin wieder da
[01:08] <Seveas> hubsi, #ubuntu ist ein englisches kanal
[01:09] <wtf_is_going_on> yep
[01:09] <Seveas> #ubuntu-de ist deutschsprachig
[01:09] <wtf_is_going_on> what should i do?
[01:09] <wtf_is_going_on> is is up too long
[01:10] <wtf_is_going_on> usualy it takes min or two
[01:10] <Seveas> wtf_is_going_on, if you registered the nick Whistler you can kill it
[01:10] <Seveas>  /msg nickserv ghost Whistler your_password
[01:10] <Seveas> :)
[01:10] <wtf_is_going_on> thx
[01:10] <wtf_is_going_on> :)
[01:10] <craig> ok installed xine through repos should i restart comp now?
[01:10] <Seveas> craig, no
[01:10] <Seveas> is it in the menu?
[01:11] <apokryphos> craig: the only time you ever need to really restart is with a full-upgrade or a kernel upgrade
[01:11] <craig> no
[01:11] <topyli> craig: kill the panel
[01:11] <craig> ok
[01:11] <Seveas> craig: pkill -1 gnome-panel
[01:11] <craig> k
[01:11] <PurpleMotion> bed now
[01:11] <bimberi> Ah - so that's how you do that (force a Nick Collision) - thanks Seveas :)
[01:12] <craig> i did that
[01:12] <topyli> craig: and?
[01:12] <Seveas> bimberi, http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
[01:12] <craig> nnothink
[01:13] <Seveas> hmm
[01:13] <topyli> craig: and you installed xine-ui?
[01:13] <craig> let me just check i will tell ya wat i installed
[01:13] <bimberi> Seveas: Cheers - I always meant to find out - just hadn't got around to it. :)
[01:15] <craig> libxine1 and xinetd is wat i installed
[01:15] <Whistler> emm
[01:15] <topyli> craig: xinetd has nothing to do with xine. remove it and install xine-ui
[01:15] <[1] Drew> i am now quite positive that ubuntu is trying to use my onboard sound rather than my SB Live!  how do i correct this?
[01:15] <Whistler> i have problem
[01:15] <craig> then there was libxine -dev but i didnt install that
[01:15] <Whistler> i wanna cd to dir named world of warcraft
[01:16] <Whistler> but ubuntu tries to cd to world
[01:16] <Whistler> only
[01:16] <Whistler> i think its spaces
[01:16] <topyli> Whistler: it's the space
[01:16] <Whistler> so any suggestions?
[01:16] <zever> Whistler, cd "world of warcraft"
[01:16] <topyli> Whistler: escape the spaces with \
[01:16] <topyli> Whistler: or quotes like zever said
[01:17] <topyli> Whistler: or just type world and hit TAB
[01:17] <topyli> :)
[01:17] <craig> there the only packages that come up when i do a search for xine
[01:17] <LinuxDolt> i am now quite positive that ubuntu is trying to use my onboard sound rather than my SB Live!  how do i correct this?
[01:17] <Whistler> thx
[01:17] <Whistler> =] 
[01:17] <craig> i cant find  xine-ui
[01:18] <topyli> craig: first, remove xinetd. then worry about xine-ui
[01:18] <craig> done that
[01:18] <LinuxDolt> err...
[01:18] <LinuxDolt> xinetd and xine have nothing to do with each other...
[01:19] <topyli> craig: xine-ui is in the universe repository. you probably haven't enabled it
[01:19] <topyli> !universe
[01:19] <ubotu> ask me about !repositories
[01:19] <topyli> !repositories
[01:19] <ubotu> somebody said repositories was at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:19] <topyli> craig: ^
[01:20] <craig> thanks
[01:22] <hayden> thoreauputic, have u any experience with cisco vpnclient or vpnc?
[01:28] <bimberi> thoreauputic_: you've registered your normal nick?  If so try "/msg nickserv ghost thoreauputic <your_password>"
[01:28] <thoreauputic_> bimberi: Thanks - I do know about that :)
[01:29] <thoreauputic_> bimberi: just hadn't done it yet - looking elsewhere when I connected
[01:29] <topyli> bimberi: a nick like nick_ is not always a ghost
[01:29] <bimberi> thoreauputic: k - sry - i'm just revelling in some newly acquired knowlege
[01:29] <bimberi> topyli: yes - but the connection address is the same
[01:29] <thoreauputic_> bimberi: that's perfectly OK - and I know the feeling :)
[01:30] <topyli> bimberi: ah, then sure
[01:30] <thoreauputic_> there you go !
[01:30] <selinium> bimberi: it was a new one on me! Just 'killed' the login that i left on in the office! cool!
[01:30] <bimberi> phew - that's better
[01:31] <bimberi> selinium: great! glad to know all tha typing wasn't wasted!
[01:31] <topyli> heh. the Grand Freenode NIck Cleanup Day
[01:31] <bimberi> :)
[01:31] <selinium> 8D
[01:31] <bimberi> nicksquashing
[01:32] <topyli> affectionally known as GFNCD
[01:32] <selinium> It was a little disturbing to see I had been killed. Reports of my demise have been much exagerated!
[01:33] <ghostwhowalks> :)
[01:33] <selinium> ROFL
[01:33] <bimberi> :)
[01:33] <topyli> damn. what a failure
[01:34] <iSeeDeadPeople> :)
[01:34] <topyli> i can't evan use the /nick command it seems :)
[01:35] <Whistler> whats the newest stable kernel?
[01:35] <hayden> thoreauputic, have u any experience with cisco vpnclient or vpnc?
[01:35] <topyli> 2.4.18 ;-)
[01:35] <apokryphos> !info linux-386
[01:35] <ubotu> linux-386: (Complete Linux kernel on 386.), section restricted/base, is optional. Version: 2.6.10-7 (hoary), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 48 kB
[01:35] <thoreauputic> hayden: none whatsoever, sorry
[01:35] <Whistler> OS: Linux 2.6.10-5-k7 | CPU: AMD Duron(tm) Processor | Memory: (Used/Total) 172MB/250MB | Resolution: 1024x768 | Uptime: 3hrs | eth0: IN: 31.9 Mb OUT: 1.1Mb
[01:35] <Whistler> is mine out of date?
[01:36] <Simonth> How do I install Skype? It says it is a i386 package and Iam running kubuntu amd64
[01:36] <topyli> Whistler: so it seems
[01:36] <selinium> !info linux-k7
[01:36] <ubotu> linux-k7: (Complete Linux kernel on AMD K7.), section restricted/base, is optional. Version: 2.6.10-7 (hoary), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 48 kB
[01:36] <thoreauputic> Whistler: no, that's an up to date Ubuntu  kernel
[01:36] <hayden> thoreauputic, ok thanks neway
[01:36] <topyli> Simonth: in that case, you don't
[01:36] <Simonth> topyli, so I cant use Skype?
[01:36] <Simonth> topyli, thats sucks..
[01:37] <thoreauputic> Whistler: ah, OK there's a security update it seems
[01:37] <topyli> Simonth: find a 64 bit skype or install it into a 32 bit chroot jail
[01:37] <Simonth> topyli, I dont think there are a 64 bit skype.. How do I install it into a 32bit chroot jail?
[01:38] <Whistler> update manager tells me that my sys is up to date
[01:38] <thoreauputic> Whistler: do you have the security updates enabled?
[01:39] <Whistler> i dont know
[01:39] <Whistler> where do i see?
[01:39] <Simonth> topyli, on skype's homepage "Static binary tar.bz2 with Qt 3.2 compiled in (9.1 MB)"..Can I use that?
[01:39] <nq> Can I talk about ubuntu SHIPIT here?
[01:39] <apokryphos> nq: sure
[01:39] <nq> I think we should reject the apply from China
[01:39] <thoreauputic> Whistler: quick way is to see if they are commented with a # in /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:40] <topyli> Simonth: probably not
[01:40] <Whistler> thoreauputic what lines i should look at?
[01:40] <nq> I think we should reject the  ubuntu SHIPIT apply from China
[01:40] <selinium> nq: The application from CHina?
[01:40] <Simonth> topyli, Okay..so I cant use Skype on Linux? A little problem then...
[01:41] <topyli> Simonth: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575 (32bit chroot jail howto)
[01:41] <Whistler> here`s my sources list http://pastebin.com/329120
[01:41] <Simonth> topyli, Okay..I give it a look..
[01:41] <nq> I mean lots of chinese apply for ubuntu CD,
[01:41] <thoreauputic> Whistler: ones like this >>
[01:41] <thoreauputic>  deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[01:41] <nq> but actually they don't need that
[01:41] <Whistler> they are uncommented
[01:41] <Seveas> nq..?
[01:41] <topyli> Simonth: if you can get the chroot working, you'll want to install firefox with flash there, as well as any 32 bit games and such
[01:41] <selinium> nq: Why is that?
[01:41] <asdfDiplomats> how do i fix this problem
[01:41] <asdfDiplomats> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/attachment.cgi?id=507
[01:42] <asdfDiplomats> or how do i apply it?
[01:42] <nq> They apply coz (1)it's free of charge; (2) others are doning that
[01:42] <Seveas> nq, so is the rest of the world...
[01:42] <selinium> Seveas: you are a much quicker typist than me!
[01:42] <Seveas> nq, shipit is sending out 120.000 cds *every week*
[01:42] <asdfDiplomats> no no, i mean how do i fix this problem "just look at the page"
[01:42] <apokryphos> wow
[01:42] <thoreauputic> Whistler: this is not a good idea, methinks:  deb http://kebil.ghost.lt/ debian/
[01:43] <nq> well, I'm Chinese. Do you know that all the linux related forum is talking about the free ubuntu distribution
[01:43] <Simonth> topyli, Okay, thanks. Does Firefox 64bit work with Flash?..I didnt know
[01:43] <thoreauputic> Whistler: debian lines are likely to cause problems
[01:43] <Simonth> topyli, , dosent*
[01:43] <Seveas> nq, so is the rest of the world....
[01:43] <Whistler> oh k ill remove them
[01:43] <FaCeMaKeR_> How can i chance my language?
[01:43] <craig> I think i must be using a old version of warty because i dont get that option of the settings tab at the bottom of the repos dialog box
[01:43] <selinium> nq: sureley that is a good thing?
[01:43] <topyli> Simonth: flash itself is only 32bit
[01:43] <asdfDiplomats> anyone know how to fix this problem
[01:43] <Seveas> FaCeMaKeR_, sudo dpkf-reconfigure locales
[01:43] <Simonth> topyli, oh okay
[01:43] <asdfDiplomats> it shows the coding, but i am a newbeeee
[01:44] <asdfDiplomats> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/attachment.cgi?id=507
[01:44] <asdfDiplomats>  that is the link, but what do i do to apply this solution
[01:44] <nq> Yeah, I know that, human nature of something. But Chinese are more interested  in *FREE* things
[01:45] <Seveas> asdfDiplomats, that's not something to do for newbies
[01:45] <Seveas> nq, so is the rest of the world....
[01:45] <asdfDiplomats> well my ibook doesnt wakeu
[01:45] <asdfDiplomats> prehaps that is why i ask
[01:45] <apokryphos> nq: the best things in life are free ;-)
[01:45] <nq> *Seveas*, can we stop this program?
[01:46] <Seveas> nq, why?
[01:46] <thoreauputic> nq: why would you want to stop it?
[01:46] <asdfDiplomats> Seveas: so you think you can help me out here? or what
[01:46] <selinium> nq: Companies send free cd's out all of the time. Most end up as coasters for cups of hot beverages. But I am sure this isn't the case with Ubuntu
[01:46] <nq> tooo waste of *MONEY* for ubuntu fundation
[01:46] <Seveas> asdfDiplomats, I don't even know which bug it belongs to, so until you give more information I can't help you
[01:46] <apokryphos> nq: then shipit itself is
[01:47] <asdfDiplomats> ok, ill give you want i see on my screen
[01:47] <asdfDiplomats> http://img27.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc039756cg.jpg
[01:47] <thoreauputic> nq: I think they know what they are doing :)
[01:47] <selinium> nq: Do you want only a few people to be using Ubuntu?
[01:47] <apokryphos> selinium: I doubt that; so many people ask for 10 CDs (thinking they should, by default), and I'm sure they don't use all of those.
[01:47] <Seveas> they know what they are doing
[01:47] <asdfDiplomats> thats is what i see, everytime i wakeup my pc
[01:47] <Seveas> beyond doubt :)
[01:47] <asdfDiplomats> or i should say ibook
[01:47] <Seveas> asdfDiplomats, I mean bugzilla entry
[01:47] <nq> but raising *MONEY* is not easy thing for open source community
[01:48] <selinium> apokryphos: true, but I have spreading the word, and cd's!
[01:48] <horned> Hello there can anybody help me with procmail and courier imap?
[01:48] <nq> we can't spend it like that way
[01:48] <asdfDiplomats> dude, as i say again, i dont non of this stuff, i have u 5.04 and i am having this problem http://img27.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc039756cg.jpg
[01:48] <apokryphos> nq: this is an argument against shipit, not one against shipit to *china*.
[01:48] <Seveas> asdfDiplomats, you got that patch from bugzilla
[01:48] <Seveas> WHICH BUG?
[01:48] <thoreauputic> nq: Ubuntu fortunately has Mark Shuttleworth and Canonical paying for this stuff :)
[01:48] <asdfDiplomats> ibook doesn't  "wake up"
[01:49] <nq> *apokryphos*, ship to china would cost much more money
[01:49] <asdfDiplomats> how do i apply the patch?
[01:49] <Seveas> nq, please read about things before storming in and telling us to stop sending people free things :)
[01:49] <Seveas> asdfDiplomats, .....
[01:49] <asdfDiplomats> dude, i am a mac guy
[01:49] <Seveas> if you don't cooperate I can't help you...
[01:49] <apokryphos> nq: shipit would cost much money. Anyhow, just why shouldn't they get it, and other countries should?
[01:49] <Seveas> asdfDiplomats, you got that patch from bugzilla
[01:49] <Seveas> WHICH BUG?
[01:49] <pekka> I just installed nessus and it asks for  "CA certificate life time in days [1460] :" what am i meant to put there?
[01:49] <apokryphos> nq: maybe we should not send them to America instead, eh
[01:50] <Gorgonzola> newbie question... new install of Ubuntu, and trying to run ./configure to install Tutris from source (just for the hell of it). from the config.log i believe i need gcc or similar to compile it... which packages do i actually need? (i tried gcc and gcc-3.3 but that didn't actually give me a gcc executable to run... i don't think)
[01:50] <asdfDiplomats> let me understand what you are saying, This bug that i am having has a id or uniqie name to it that i can tell you?
[01:50] <apokryphos> nq: in fact, I'd say there was a better case for China getting them. Broadband there isn't half as available as it is in America, and hence they'd have more trouble in downloading it
[01:50] <apokryphos> asdfDiplomats: yes
[01:50] <Seveas> Gorgonzola, sudo aptitude install build-essential
[01:50] <thoreauputic> Gorgonzola: build-essential
[01:50] <asdfDiplomats> it says bug 1940
[01:50] <Gorgonzola> thanks Seveas and thoreauputic
[01:51] <Gorgonzola> i only starting reading up on Ubuntu yesterday and it seems like a very friendly, helpful community!
[01:51] <thoreauputic> Gorgonzola: we do our best ;)
[01:51] <nq> Ok,seems Ubuntu don't worry about money
[01:52] <asdfDiplomats> thoreauputic think you can help me out here?
[01:52] <asdfDiplomats> how do i apply patch in u 5.04?
[01:52] <loorni> "Network Error: Connection refused" When i try SSH where is the problem?
[01:52] <lewwy> hey guys
[01:52] <apokryphos> nq: They do, though. This isn't a spontaneous idea to give out free CDs and waste money. It's partly because of the great nature of the OS community, but also it's a great marketting technique ;-)
[01:52] <thoreauputic> asdfDiplomats: I haven't been following, sorry
[01:52] <nq> *apokryphos*, yes, that's true
[01:52] <lewwy> 32bit vs 64bit on ubuntu 32 and 64 and windows, whats faster and why
[01:52] <Seveas> asdfDiplomats, that bug is ancient and the patch is bad
[01:52] <asdfDiplomats> ok, i have this problem. "i am a newbee just to aware you." my ibook doesnt wakeup after sleep
[01:53] <asdfDiplomats> This is what i see after i wake up my ibook. http://img27.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc039756cg.jpg
[01:53] <thoreauputic> asdfDiplomats: I don't know enough to help with that
[01:53] <pekka> Sorry to repeat, but I kind of need this information, i guess, so... I just installed nessus and it asks for  "CA certificate life time in days [1460] :" what am i meant to put there?
[01:53] <asdfDiplomats> i found this link telling me to apply patch. but how do i apply patch http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1940
[01:54] <Seveas> asdfDiplomats, that bug is ancient and the patch is bad, do NOT use it
[01:54] <asdfDiplomats> you think you can help me out finding a good one
[01:55] <Seveas> no, you just have to wait for the developers to fix it. This is not something a newbie or average user can fix
[01:55] <asdfDiplomats> omg
[01:56] <Seveas> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1940#c51
[01:56] <Seveas> try that
[01:56] <Seveas> if that does not work, you're out of luck for now
[01:58] <craig> Hey if i look for video drivers for my fx5700 vid card wat driver should i get?
[01:58] <hayden> i keep getting signed out of gaim every 5-10 mins or so, anyone know why? 'connection error from notification server (207.46.6.35) writing erro'
[01:58] <kaffeend> hey everyone
[01:58] <craig> hey kaffeend
[01:59] <asdfDiplomats> ok, all you lady lovers. i found a working patch. how da hell do i apply it
[01:59] <asdfDiplomats> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8682&postcount=2
[01:59] <asdfDiplomats> i am paying anyone that helps me. paypal 30$
[01:59] <kaffeend> can anyone tell me how to configure my firewall please?
[02:00] <kaffeend> how's things craig?
[02:01] <craig> good thanks iam not sure how you configure your firewall iama complete noob lol
[02:01] <selinium> kaffend: sudo apt-get install firestarter   it is simple from there.
[02:01] <kaffeend> thanks selenium
[02:02] <kaffeend> selinium* sorry
[02:02] <Seveas> asdfDiplomats, that forum post teels you exactly what to do (the solution is crappy though and should not be used)
[02:02] <kaffeend> hmmm... problem is my CDROM is on the fritz
[02:03] <kaffeend> so I can't install it from cd
[02:03] <icewt> kaffeend, if it ask you for a cdrom, comment out or remove the first line in /etc/apt/sources.list and try again
[02:03] <selinium> kaffeend: CDROM ? Why would you need to sort out your firewall?
[02:03] <lee> get your cdrom off of the german and into a pc, then it'll work better, kaffeend ;)
[02:04] <selinium> icewt: You told me that yesterday! :)
[02:04] <asdfDiplomats> but if it fixs the problem
[02:04] <kaffeend> wrong way around selinium - I need to config my firewall, but I can't install from cd so I need to use stock vanilla apps
[02:04] <Seveas> asdfDiplomats, it creates a new problem
[02:04] <kaffeend> or whatever
[02:04] <kaffeend> icewt thanks for that
[02:04] <asdfDiplomats> Seveas: think you can just tell in english how to do that they are saying
[02:05] <lee> is anybody running breezy and skype, without having to alter any esd configs?  and obviously able to make and receive calls in skype, not just the IM...
[02:05] <kaffeend> lmao @ lee
[02:05] <Seveas> asdfDiplomats, I can but i won't, I don't give people bad solutions
[02:05] <selinium> kaffeend: I understand now, do as icewt said and comment out the CD line in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:05] <kaffeend> will do selinium and icewt thanks again
[02:06] <asdfDiplomats> gee, thx
[02:06] <thoreauputic> asdfDiplomats: I think he means he doesn't want to create new problems for you :)
[02:06] <craig> Seveas how do i kill the gome panel again?
[02:07] <Seveas> pkill -1 gnome-panel
[02:07] <craig> Thanks
[02:08] <kaffeend> Hmmm... got this back: Reading package lists... Done
[02:08] <kaffeend> Building dependency tree... Done
[02:08] <kaffeend> E: Couldn't find package firestarter
[02:08] <selinium> Seveas: why the -l flag on pkill?
[02:08] <Seveas> it's a one
[02:08] <Seveas> that means it sends a SIGHUP
[02:08] <Seveas> kaffeend, you might need to enable universe for it
[02:08] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: you need universe repository - watch ubotu below
[02:08] <Seveas> !info firestarter
[02:08] <thoreauputic> !repos
[02:08] <ubotu> firestarter: (gtk program for managing and observing your firewall), section universe/admin, is optional. Version: 1.0.1-1ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 518 kB, Installed size: 2348 kB
[02:08] <ubotu> repos is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[02:09] <kaffeend> thanks
[02:09] <asdfDiplomats> Seveas
[02:09] <asdfDiplomats> this problem is wide around linux on powerpc
[02:10] <asdfDiplomats> and been happen from u v-2
[02:10] <asdfDiplomats> ya, you have no idea of the issue < could of just said that
[02:10] <Seveas> asdfDiplomats, it's been happening from the beginning
[02:10] <Seveas> and I have an idea of the issue after reading the bugreport
[02:10] <asdfDiplomats> and your telling wait for dev to fix it
[02:11] <Seveas> that's why i'm saying: wait for the devs to fix it. if it takes them this long, it's not an easy thing
[02:11] <asdfDiplomats> nice job buddy~ plz help a guy out nexttime without giving endless solu
[02:11] <Seveas> hacking up your system by killing hal around restarts is definiely not good
[02:11] <asdfDiplomats> ok. bye. thx anyway
[02:12] <Seveas> tssss
[02:12] <thoreauputic> asdfDiplomats: you are way out of line -seveas is one of the most helpful people on the channel
[02:12] <thoreauputic> yoo late... :(
[02:12] <selinium> Seveas: Some people just don't listen....
[02:12] <bimberi> he came across somewhat ..er.. undiplomatic :)
[02:12] <Seveas> thoreauputic, he'll get an instant-ban if he does it again :)
[02:12] <thoreauputic> bimberi: indeed
[02:13] <selinium> I have found this channel one of the best resources for any OS ever! People are so helpful. People like that make helpful people not fire up there IRC.
[02:13] <Gorgonzola> configure: error: *** SDL version 1.2.0 not found!   <---- when running ./configure ... any advice? :)
[02:14] <Seveas> Gorgonzola, libsdl2.0-dev
[02:14] <Seveas> what are you trying to install?
[02:14] <Gorgonzola> Tutris
[02:15] <Seveas> Gorgonzola, libsdl1.2-dev <-- install that package
[02:15] <Gorgonzola> just need something to learn how all this compiling and stuff works :)
[02:15] <Gorgonzola> thank you, will give it a shot
[02:15] <thoreauputic> selinium: in fact, when one has helped a few people and gets a reaction like that one, the temptation is to stay away: one rude reaction can lose the community valuable helpers
[02:15] <Seveas> Gorgonzola, usually if ./configure complains about missing things, you nead a libSOMETHING-dev
[02:15] <Seveas> SOMETHING here is sdl
[02:16] <Seveas> so 'apt-cache search libsdl | grep dev' will tell you what you need
[02:16] <Gorgonzola> ah yes, i just realised that... i had searched in synaptic and thought "oh none of those results start with SDL..." - guess i should read the results a bit better ;)
[02:16] <selinium> thoreaputic: I remember ny first foray into this channel. Seveas helped me out, the next time you helped me out, now I am helping others out... It is the way it should be.
[02:17] <davro> selinium, :) totally agree!
[02:17] <thoreauputic> selinium: I agree
[02:17] <Seveas> selinium, so true :)
[02:17] <rob> when a program is installed wich directiry is it normally in?
[02:17] <Gorgonzola> selinium, hopefully i get up to speed sooner rather than later myself... then i can help other complete newbies!
[02:18] <loorni> "Network Error: Connection refused" When i try SSH where is the problem?
[02:18] <loorni> ooh sorry..
[02:18] <loorni> wrong keyboard
[02:18] <Seveas> loorni, the ssh server on the remote machine is not on :)
[02:18] <thoreauputic> rob: quite a few :) try typing dpkg -L <nameof package> to see the files it installs
[02:18] <hayden> i keep getting signed out of gaim every 5-10 mins or so, anyone know why? 'connection error from notification server (207.46.6.35) writing erro'
[02:19] <thoreauputic> rob: most of the executables land in /usr/bin/  for normal apss
[02:19] <thoreauputic> *apps
[02:19] <Seveas> hayden, MSN is flaky sometimes
[02:19] <selinium> Gorgozola: You will be suprised how quickly it all starts to sink in! I keep a log of useful commands in a txt file. Very handy for remembering that command you issued once 6 months ago!
[02:19] <Seveas> happens to me too
[02:19] <BockBilbo> hello there
[02:19] <Seveas> selinium, tldp.org :)
[02:19] <Seveas> lots of beginners docs there
[02:19] <Oniano|iBook> gah, on startup, gnome-panel and nautiuls just keep doing 'quit unexpectedly'
[02:19] <rob> Thank You thoreuputic
[02:19] <Oniano|iBook> where do they lof their errors?
[02:19] <Seveas> Oniano|iBook, unfortunately nowhere
[02:20] <loorni> Seveas, any idea why is this saying "Privilege separation user sshd does not exist" when i try to start it?
[02:20] <Seveas> do they work if you start them again after the crash?
[02:20] <Oniano|iBook> any idea how to fix this ones?
[02:20] <Seveas> loorni, is that on an Ubuntu system?
[02:20] <hayden> Seveas, yea
[02:20] <loorni> yes
[02:20] <Seveas> loorni, odd, how did you install the ssh server?
[02:21] <loorni> Seveas, sudo apt-get install ssh
[02:21] <Seveas> loorni, sudo aptitue install openssh-server <-- that is the server
[02:22] <loorni> Seveas, starter guide said ssh...
[02:22] <loorni> damn
[02:22] <Seveas> ubuntuguide.org you mean?
[02:22] <thoreauputic> Seveas: actually the ssh package installs the server and client
[02:22] <Seveas> thoreauputic, is that so? hmm, something went wrong furing install then
[02:22] <loorni> Seveas, yes
[02:22] <Seveas> loorni, that site is not too good
[02:23] <thoreauputic> Seveas: yes, see apt-cache depends ssh
[02:23] <loorni> Seveas, it says i have already newest version of it
[02:23] <Seveas> loorni, sudo aptitude purge openssh-server
[02:23] <Seveas> and then install it again
[02:23] <Seveas> something must have failed during install
[02:23] <BockBilbo> can anyone tell me how to fix the encoding problem of the names of the files which have special characters?
[02:24] <loorni> Seveas, how do i remove it? and "aptidude: command not found"
[02:24] <Seveas> aptitude
[02:24] <om_> ok, I have a question up for debate: pidentd, oidentd, slidentd, nullidentd or some other *identd?
[02:24] <Seveas> not aptidude :)
[02:24] <thoreauputic> loorni: typo?
[02:24] <Seveas> pidentd
[02:24] <loorni> damn
[02:24] <om_> pididentd is what I have always used
[02:25] <Seveas> pidentd is the least insecure
[02:25] <bimberi> aptidude - i like it!
[02:25] <om_> i'm just looking at these others they seem interesting
[02:25] <Seveas> thoreauputic, aptidude is a dude with attitude ;)
[02:25] <thoreauputic> Seveas: right !
[02:25] <thoreauputic> :)
[02:25] <om_> oidentd seems kinda neat tho
[02:26] <Hildgrim> This is quite confusing; could you ever chose a admin password during the install? I only remember the username and the password for that username..
[02:26] <loorni> Seveas, so what now? after that aptitude thing?
[02:26] <thoreauputic> !root
[02:26] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, root is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[02:26] <BockBilbo> Hildgrim, the username you enter is the admin
[02:26] <Hildgrim> crazy.
[02:26] <Seveas> loorni, sudo aptitude install openssh-server
[02:26] <thoreauputic> Hildgrim: you use "sudo" with your user pass
[02:26] <om_> thoreauputic: what do you think about differences between pidentd and oidentd and the like?
[02:26] <Seveas> (that installs it again)
[02:27] <thoreauputic> om_: i have no idea :)
[02:27] <om_> rgr
[02:27] <hayden> Seveas,  have u any experience with cisco vpnclient or vpnc?
[02:27] <Hildgrim> thanks guys,
[02:27] <Seveas> hayden, fortunately not :)
[02:27] <BockBilbo> Seveas, do you know any way of fixing the wrong encoding files easier than having to modify the names one by one?
[02:27] <Seveas> BockBilbo, not really
[02:27] <BockBilbo> :(
[02:27] <hayden> Seveas,  ok thanks anyways
[02:28] <Seveas> BockBilbo, maybe rename can help you
[02:28] <Seveas> it's great at mass renaming
[02:28] <BockBilbo> mm dont know, im gonna take a look to the manual
[02:28] <BockBilbo> though... im afraid it wont work
[02:29] <Seveas> or (evil trick) for FILE in * mv FILE `iconv --something`
[02:30] <Seveas> dunno how that will work
[02:31] <BockBilbo> the problem is that not all files have wrong encoding
[02:32] <thoreauputic> Seveas: should the second FILE in that be $FILE ?
[02:32] <Seveas> thoreauputic, there are LOTS more errors in that command
[02:32] <Seveas> it was just to show what it might look like :)
[02:32] <thoreauputic> Seveas: hahah OK :)
[02:33] <Chaotic_Shield> hey all
[02:34] <loorni> How do i make a folder /home/"username"?
[02:35] <Seveas> mkdir /home/$USER
[02:35] <Seveas> why?
[02:35] <Chaotic_Shield> no NAHM or TSR on happyhardcore.com this weeks.
[02:35] <Chaotic_Shield> week*
[02:35] <Chaotic_Shield> it was a sad day yesterday.
[02:36] <Chaotic_Shield> ah well
[02:36] <Chaotic_Shield> at least I got Unreal+Anope to work!
[02:36] <Chaotic_Shield> :)
[02:36] <thoreauputic> !comfort Chaotic_Shield
[02:36] <ubotu> thoreauputic: I don't know, could you explain it?
[02:36] <Chaotic_Shield> happy happy happy
[02:36] <thoreauputic> oh, what a pity...
[02:36] <Chaotic_Shield> Now, to get Denora and my bopm to go.
[02:36] <Chaotic_Shield> anyone here got experience in setting up either? I'm having a little bit of trouble.
[02:37] <Chaotic_Shield> w0h00!
[02:38] <elsha> !dialup
[02:38] <ubotu> elsha: I haven't a clue
[02:38] <Chaotic_Shield> bopm configures.
[02:38] <Chaotic_Shield> yay!
[02:38] <Chaotic_Shield> it configures too
[02:38] <Chaotic_Shield> happy happy happy
[02:38] <Chaotic_Shield> now.
[02:38] <Chaotic_Shield> The ultimate test.
[02:38] <Chaotic_Shield> Does it run
[02:39] <raven3x7> i need help. cant start gnome nor kde. is there a log file i can post. im using afterstep for the moment
[02:39] <Seveas> raven3x7, sometimes it helps to remove .Xauthority and .ICEauthority from your homedir
[02:40] <Seveas> as well as cleaning out all files in /tmp that you own
[02:40] <raven3x7> Seveas you mean delete those folders
[02:40] <Seveas> yeah
[02:40] <raven3x7> /home/user/tmp?
[02:41] <lee> hmmm, what do you need to alter to make auto-mounting of removable media happen?  e.g. when I plug in a firewire hd I want the drive to be mounted on /media/scsidisk and the root dir to appear in a nautilus (?) window ... it did before i recompiled my kernel...
[02:42] <kaffeend> anyone know a good theme page?
[02:43] <Chaotic_Shield> art.gnome.org
[02:43] <thoreauputic> !theme
[02:43] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, theme is http://art.gnome.org - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/
[02:43] <kaffeend> tanks
[02:43] <Chaotic_Shield> ah, I need to talk to them Unreal peoples.
[02:43] <Chaotic_Shield> I have a bug.
[02:43] <raven3x7> Seveas, is there a reason for this happening?
[02:44] <Seveas> raven3x7, well, sometimes .ICEauthority gets confused
[02:44] <Seveas> especally when you mix gnome and kde
[02:45] <raven3x7> Seveas, hmm so its a bug
[02:47] <raven3x7> dawm afterstep is flacky
[02:47] <Seveas> araw1-off, I warned you before
[02:47] <Seveas> turn that off
[02:49] <Chaotic_Shield> public aways lose.
[02:49] <Chaotic_Shield> anyone ever run Unreal3.2.3+Anope on Ubuntu?
[02:49] <Chaotic_Shield> in this channel?
[02:49] <Hildgrim> Hmm. I found and installed libntfs and ntfsprogs, but the only help about ntfs i can find in the wiki as in hungarian. Any idea on how I can mount my (winxp created) ntfs drives?
[02:49] <Seveas> like it's ever remotely interesting to see why people are away :)
[02:49] <Seveas> Hildgrim, ditch libntfs and ntfsprogs again
[02:49] <Seveas> you don't need them :)
[02:50] <Seveas> Hildgrim: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[02:50] <raven3x7> Seveas just droped in to say thanks.
[02:50] <Seveas> raven3x7, so it worked?
[02:50] <Chaotic_Shield> Hildgrim, do an fdisk -l
[02:50] <raven3x7> yeah
[02:50] <joachim_> hi
[02:50] <Chaotic_Shield> and look for a drive labeled NTFS
[02:50] <Seveas> raven3x7, nice :)
[02:50] <Seveas> Chaotic_Shield, that script does just that :)
[02:50] <raven3x7> thanks again. i gotta work now
[02:50] <Gorgonzola> selinium, can you please have a quick look at pastebin for my next error message?
[02:51] <Chaotic_Shield> ah :-P
[02:51] <Seveas> Chaotic_Shield, read it, it's not too long :)
[02:51] <Chaotic_Shield> I did it the good old fashion'ed way.
[02:51] <Hildgrim> Chaotic_Shield, aha, where is it usually? in /dev ?
[02:51] <Chaotic_Shield> Hildgrim, just use http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[02:51] <Gorgonzola> or anyone for that matter
[02:51] <Hildgrim> Chaotic_Shield, will do.
[02:51] <Seveas> Gorgonzola, which pastebin?
[02:51] <thoreauputic> Gorgonzola: URL?
[02:51] <Gorgonzola> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/947
[02:52] <Seveas> Gorgonzola, ghe
[02:52] <Seveas> that's all but the error
[02:52] <Gorgonzola> sorry, i just figured it stay on top of the list long enough :P
[02:52] <Seveas> please paste the complete output
[02:53] <thoreauputic> Gorgonzola: all that tells us is "it didn't compile" - which you knew anyway :)
[02:53] <Seveas> Gorgonzola, tip: wget http://ubuntulinux.nl/files/pastebin
[02:53] <Gorgonzola> hehe, how's that now? :P
[02:53] <Seveas> and: make 2>&1 | python pastebin
[02:53] <Gorgonzola> Seveas, thanks
[02:53] <Seveas> command-line pastebin posting rocks :)
[02:54] <Tomcat_> Oi.
[02:54] <Tomcat_> I didn't know that. :D
[02:54] <Gorgonzola> hehe, anything to make me use more CLI is a good thing :)
[02:54] <Tomcat_> And you're still using xchat? :D
[02:55] <Gorgonzola> Tomcat_, I've been using ubuntu for about .... 5ours now, that's it
[02:55] <Gorgonzola> give me time! ;)
[02:55] <Gorgonzola> hehe
[02:55] <Tomcat_> :D
[02:55] <Gorgonzola> *hours
[02:55] <Chaotic_Shield> heh.
[02:55] <Hildgrim> I love you guys.
[02:55] <Chaotic_Shield> lol
[02:55] <BockBilbo> Seveas, whats the way to know which locales are installed on my system?
[02:56] <Seveas> BockBilbo, locale -a
[02:56] <Seveas> Gorgonzola, sudo aptitude install libsdl-image1.2-dev
[02:57] <Chaotic_Shield> bah
[02:57] <Chaotic_Shield> too bad mIRC+wine isn't very good.
[02:57] <Seveas> mIRC is suck anyway
[02:57] <craig> hey
[02:58] <Seveas> xchat can be scripted in python, that's so much nicer than mircscript :)
[02:58] <Hildgrim> Ack! I thought there was a port of truecrypt for linux based systems. Anyone know about anything that can open truecrypt-created volumes?
[02:58] <craig> iam having trouble setting up this net work with my system and a xp system i can get them 2 see each other
[02:59] <Chaotic_Shield> heh
[02:59] <Chaotic_Shield> I like mIRC because I have so many scripts that I've written for it and it'd be a pain to rescript all of them.
[02:59] <craig> but when i try n logon from xp system to mine it asks 4 a password i put it in and it wont logon
[02:59] <Seveas> Chaotic_Shield, hehe
[02:59] <wezzer-_> is there any proffessional in squid & dansguardian?
[03:00] <Seveas> Hildgrim, apt-cache search truecrypt shows nothing, so I guess you're out of luck unless google can find you something
[03:00] <Hildgrim> hum. I think bestcrypt might do something nice
[03:00] <Seveas> craig, samba uses its own passwords
[03:00] <Chaotic_Shield> too bad you can't just get a program that translates from mIRCscript to python/TCL/etc
[03:00] <aru> !tell craig about samba
[03:00] <Seveas> craig, read the manpage for smbpasswd
[03:00] <thoreauputic> Chaotic_Shield: nice project for you ;)
[03:01] <kaffeend> I suppose there is a wiki how-to for this, but can someone tell me how to play .mp3s in totem please?
[03:01] <mpathy> Hi there.. Something who uses Xinerama with a laptop? Got problems
[03:01] <selinium> Sorry Gorgonzola, I was away from the PC.
[03:01] <aru> !mp3
[03:01] <Code_Dark> Winamp not Running
[03:01] <ubotu> I heard mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[03:01] <craig> i set the password up through samba
[03:01] <kaffeend> here we go
[03:01] <craig> sudo smbpasswd -a
[03:01] <craig> that is wat i used
[03:01] <Chaotic_Shield> Most advanced language I learned was MS VB.Net
[03:01] <Seveas> Chaotic_Shield, that's because mircscript sucks beyond believe ;)
[03:01] <craig> 2 set the password
[03:02] <Chaotic_Shield> heh
[03:02] <thoreauputic> Code_Dark: umm... WINamp ? note first three letters...
[03:02] <Chaotic_Shield> lol
[03:02] <francesco__> Hello, I have winxp on ide1master and ubuntu on ide2master. Can I install GRUB on ide1master?
[03:02] <Chaotic_Shield> lol
[03:03] <Seveas> francesco__, yes
[03:03] <Chaotic_Shield> I hate you irc.anope.org
[03:03] <thoreauputic> craig: just curious - what's the advantage of using "2" when you mean "to" ?
[03:03] <Gorgonzola> hmm, i think i'll put ubuntu onto my main machine instead of my old one (having low 1024x768 resolution is giving me the shits)
[03:03] <Chaotic_Shield> O_O
[03:03] <aru> thoreauputic: its elite...
[03:03] <gregg_> thoreauputic: it's supposed to be cool
[03:03] <Chaotic_Shield> That's low?
[03:03] <francesco__> Seveas: how can I do?
[03:03] <mpathy> Is somebody there who can help me setting up my xorg.conf to have dual monitors using a Radeon 7500 Mobility, one screen laptop TFT one screen 22" CRT!?!
[03:04] <Chaotic_Shield> 1024x768 is elite.
[03:04] <Gorgonzola> hehe, yes it is
[03:04] <Seveas> francesco__, sudo grub-install '(hd0)'
[03:04] <Chaotic_Shield> anything higher hurts my eyes.
[03:04] <Gorgonzola> not to mention this machine is slower than im used to also
[03:04] <pekka> Hmm.  Update notifier takes 25% of my cpu tho it says it is sleeping... Is this meant to happen? :S
[03:04] <aru> 1024x768 is what I have
[03:04] <Gorgonzola> Chaotic_Shield, what size monitor you use?
[03:04] <slowbro> what doesnt everyone have 1024x768?
[03:04] <Chaotic_Shield> 13" LCD I think.
[03:04] <Chaotic_Shield> It's a laptop.
[03:05] <Chaotic_Shield> So whatever's attached to it
[03:05] <Gorgonzola> Chaotic_Shield, that's probably why then :)
[03:05] <Chaotic_Shield> It maxes out at 1024x768./
[03:05] <Gorgonzola> on a 17" 1280x960 is fine for me
[03:05] <Chaotic_Shield> I have a 20" I put at 1600x1200 and it's so freakin tiny.
[03:05] <francesco__> Seveas, I'm on rescue mode using the install cd... is it correct?
[03:05] <craig> It is just habbit and more then likely a bad one
[03:05] <gregg_> thoreauputic: I can't stand it either :)
[03:05] <aru> a 22 inch crt is insane
[03:05] <Seveas> francesco__, oooh....
[03:05] <selinium> thoreauputic: I have a constant reminder, being British, having to type color in HTML.
[03:05] <Chaotic_Shield> I HATE that.
[03:05] <Chaotic_Shield> I'm Canadian, and colour > color.
[03:05] <Seveas> francesco__, wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows <-- that gives you more info
[03:05] <Chaotic_Shield> honestly.
[03:06] <kaffeend> okay, is there anything I can do to play . m p 3 files which doesn't require me to use my install disc? I broke my cdrom drive and can't use it til saturday when I get a replacement
[03:06] <craig> but so is smoking and drink and taking drugs but still people do it
[03:06] <[derek] > i am a newbie i just downloaded ubuntu live cd
[03:06] <Chaotic_Shield> Why can't HTML be Canadian/British English compatible?
[03:06] <wezzer-_> how do I enable port 3128 only at device eth1 using iptables?
[03:06] <Gorgonzola> even at 1024x768 everything in ubuntu (menus and stuff) just seem so much bigger than winxp.... or is that just my imagination (and im not used to running a slightly lower res)?
[03:06] <thoreauputic> selinium: hehe - the first time I set up ssh I *could not* work out why "authorised_keys2" wouldn't work ;)
[03:06] <Seveas> kaffeend, remove the cdrom line from /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:06] <Seveas> and you will never need the install cd again :)
[03:06] <Chaotic_Shield> Gorgonzola, it's you.
[03:06] <gregg_> Gorgonzola: the standard font size is bigger
[03:06] <Gorgonzola> being an aussie i too argue that colour > color
[03:06] <selinium> thoreauputic: lo
[03:06] <kaffeend> oookay
[03:06] <selinium> thoreauputic: lol
[03:07] <kaffeend> is that dodgy?
[03:07] <francesco__> Seveas :: thanx, I'm going to try it
[03:07] <Chaotic_Shield> the freakin Americans, HTML should be spelt with Canadian/Aussie/British English spellings.
[03:07] <Chaotic_Shield> colour > color. EOF.
[03:07] <Seveas> :)
[03:07] <Chaotic_Shield> can anyone connect to irc.anope.org?
[03:07] <kaffeend> don't forget kiwi
[03:07] <Chaotic_Shield> XChat is not even doing anything.
[03:07] <Chaotic_Shield> It's just...........connecting......
[03:07] <Gorgonzola> hmm, i haven't even looked at font sizes yet!
[03:07] <aru> Chaotic_Shield: maybe YOU guys need to invent something :)
[03:07] <LinuxDolt> no, color > colour.  it's shorter
[03:07] <Chaotic_Shield> LinuxDolt, are you America?
[03:08] <Chaotic_Shield> American*
[03:08] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: just as well kiwi isn't written phonetically ;-)
[03:08] <Gorgonzola> LinuxDolt, the lazy side of me appreciates that... but i just can't give in to american spelling ;)
[03:08] <LinuxDolt> what does that have to do with color being shorter than colour?
[03:08] <gregg_> Gorgonzola: i only have an old 15" CRT which is only capable of 800x600 I had to adjust quite a bit :)
[03:08] <elsha> anyone ever had the error when trying to access anything in administration of "Unable to copy the user's Xauthorisation file"? Everything was running fine in administration before, all I have changed since then is some things with the graphics card because i had switched cards.
[03:08] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: otherwise all i would be replaced with u ;)
[03:08] <gregg_> Gorgonzola: for now at least
[03:08] <Gorgonzola> gregg_, i feel for you man :P
[03:08] <Chaotic_Shield> agreed Gorgonzola
[03:09] <pekka> LinuxDolt, htm would be shorter that html and still the tag is not <HTM>.
[03:09] <Chaotic_Shield> tbh, the Americans should be more internationally friendly.
[03:09] <kaffeend> thoreauputic phonetic isn't either
[03:09] <omega_> I remember when I only had a 14" inch CRT. On my Pentium 60 with 1MB video card, it could still run in 800x600x16, though. :p
[03:09] <LinuxDolt> well, i'll give you that chaotic
[03:09] <selinium> kaffeend thoreauputic: And why is Dyslexis so difficult to spell?
[03:09] <selinium> kaffeend thoreauputic: And why is Dyslexia so difficult to spell?
[03:10] <selinium> :D
[03:10] <Chaotic_Shield> Because scientists are too damn smart for their own good.
[03:10] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: funny that "phonetic" isn't spelled "fonetik"
[03:10] <kaffeend> hey I'm dyslexic dude - just realized there really is a dog!
[03:10] <pekka> Americans have smaller, even when it comes to words. :|
[03:10] <Chaotic_Shield> lol
[03:10] <pekka> Maybe is hould shut up
[03:10] <Chaotic_Shield> hahaha
[03:10] <killapop> LOL
[03:10] <Chaotic_Shield> kaffeend, hahahahahah Dyslexic Agnostics
[03:10] <kaffeend> heh
[03:10] <Chaotic_Shield> Such a great tshirt.
[03:10] <wina> hallo
[03:10] <selinium> ROFL
[03:11] <kaffeend> heya wina
[03:11] <Chaotic_Shield> anyone try connecting to irc.anope.org?
[03:11] <Chaotic_Shield> I can't get in.
[03:11] <Chaotic_Shield> XChat times out.
[03:11] <kaffeend> yep
[03:11] <kaffeend>  Hey, it worked !
[03:11] <kaffeend> The SSL/TLS-aware Apache webserver was
[03:11] <kaffeend> successfully installed on this website.
[03:11] <wina> asl
[03:11] <kaffeend> hahaha
[03:11] <lee> after recompiling my kernel, when I plug in my firewire hd it not longer auto-mounts/brings up a list of files in the root, what do I need to do to restore this behaviour?
[03:12] <kaffeend> this isn't yahoo! wina
[03:12] <wina> hu hu
[03:12] <kaffeend> :P
[03:12] <LinuxDolt> i'll finish this crap up another time.  i'm getting to bed now
[03:12] <Seveas> lee, use the standard kernel :)
[03:12] <wina> yup
[03:12] <pekka> What other good IRC clients are there for Linux (besides xChat).
[03:12] <Chaotic_Shield> mIRC+wine.
[03:12] <Chaotic_Shield> mIRC+wine2win.
[03:12] <nightswim> irssi
[03:12] <LinuxDolt> eww on mirc
[03:12] <Seveas> irssi, bitchx
[03:12] <lee> Seveas: um, no =)  I can't use the latest nvidia drivers if I do that
[03:12] <lee> well, not easily, anyway
[03:12] <LinuxDolt> you might want to try running hydrairc in wine ;)
[03:12] <Gorgonzola> Seveas, last question for today i promise :) ....any other ideas having installed that package and still getting the same error?
[03:12] <Seveas> lee, then live without automounts :)
[03:13] <pekka> I use mIrc in windows, in this i wanna try other ones. But Irssi and Bitchx sound nice names.
[03:13] <selinium> nightswim: irssi? I only use it when X is broken!
[03:13] <nightswim> I dont
[03:13] <nightswim> I use it all the time
[03:13] <gregg_> good irc clients? irssi all the way
[03:13] <Chaotic_Shield> lol
[03:13] <Chaotic_Shield> tbh
[03:13] <Chaotic_Shield> telnet2win.
[03:13] <Seveas> (details: automount uses hal, something with kernel 2.6.12 breaks that)
[03:13] <lee> Seveas: is it just a config option that I need to enable to accomplish that, the kernel automounter v3/v4?
[03:13] <selinium> lol
[03:13] <lee> ah
[03:13] <kaffeend> Chaotic_Shield what's the story with irc.anope.org anyway?
[03:13] <Chaotic_Shield> dunno
[03:13] <Chaotic_Shield> I time out.
[03:13] <Seveas> it's been fixed in Breezy
[03:13] <Chaotic_Shield> Can you connect?
[03:13] <kaffeend> asl lmao!
[03:13] <LinuxDolt> telnet's only good if you're not joining any busy channels... like this one
[03:14] <Chaotic_Shield> TELNET2WIN
[03:14] <selinium> Chaotic_Sheild: I can't connect either
[03:14] <Chaotic_Shield> EOF.
[03:14] <gregg_> pekka: bitchx is crap, you can believe me in that :)
[03:14] <lee> hopefully it'll be fixed in 2.6.13 then =)  I can mount manually just fine, as I've been doing for years when running debian, it was just nice to have it appear automagically
[03:14] <kaffeend> yes Chaotic_Shield I can
[03:14] <Chaotic_Shield> fuck
[03:14] <Chaotic_Shield> I can't.
[03:14] <Seveas> lee, it's already fixed in hal
[03:14] <Chaotic_Shield> I need to talk to them about the fact that Anope doesn't think that Unreal3.2.3 supports vIdent.
[03:14] <pekka> k
[03:14] <Seveas> breezy hal that is
[03:14] <selinium> Chaotic_Sheild: I can't connect either. I am using xChat
[03:14] <kaffeend> hmmm...
[03:14] <pekka> "Latest Debian version can always be installed with apt-get install irssi-text." Does this also include ubuntu?
[03:14] <Chaotic_Shield> what are you using kaffeend
[03:14] <Seveas> pekka, yes
[03:15] <lee> Seveas: is breezy the equivalent of debian's sid, ie can anything break at any time?
[03:15] <pekka> k
[03:15] <kaffeend> firefox
[03:15] <Seveas> lee, all UBuntu versions are based on sid :)
[03:15] <kaffeend> plain vanilla
[03:15] <Chaotic_Shield> heh.
[03:15] <Seveas> Breezy is the unstable version, and Ubuntu unstables are rougher than sid at times
[03:15] <Chaotic_Shield> I'm telneting in!
[03:15] <kaffeend> try http://irc.anope.org/?
[03:15] <lee> hmmmkay, perhaps I'll wait for breezy to become the stable release =)
[03:15] <Chaotic_Shield> shh.
[03:16] <Chaotic_Shield> I knew that.
[03:16] <kaffeend> heh
[03:16] <Chaotic_Shield> no workies.
[03:16] <LinuxDolt> i'd like to see how many times you screw up your commands because the screen scrolls too fast
[03:16] <kaffeend> doh
[03:16] <Chaotic_Shield> lol
[03:16] <Chaotic_Shield> heh
[03:16] <lee> so when is apple's version of this distro coming out, and is it going to be called iBuntu...
[03:16] <kaffeend> well I dunno then Chaotic_Shield sorry
[03:16] <Chaotic_Shield> I'm gonna use CGI:IRC
[03:17] <kaffeend> keep us informed, eh?
[03:17] <LinuxDolt> heh.  why not?  CGI:IRC sucks though
[03:17] <Chaotic_Shield> yup
[03:17] <Chaotic_Shield> but XChat doesn't connect to irc.anope.org
[03:17] <Chaotic_Shield> so it loses.
[03:17] <LinuxDolt> yeah.  xchat doesn't have a channel monitor either, so it loses
[03:18] <Chaotic_Shield> tbh.
[03:18] <wina> hahai
[03:19] <gregg_> LinuxDolt: what's so good about that particular client?
[03:19] <kaffeend> what's all we can do with irc anyways?
[03:20] <windex|coding> you know, soon the majority of PPC ports of Linux are going to die. :(
[03:20] <LokeDK> The gnome theme manager thing is no longer able to switch the.. uhm gtk theme.. it only uses clearlooks
[03:20] <windex|coding> well, desktop stuff anyway.
[03:20] <Seveas> windex|coding, as soon as mac starts using intel chios they will
[03:20] <windex|coding> Seveas, i'm sure a lot of distros will maintain it for use on IBM Power-based servers, but those things aren't workstations. at all.
[03:21] <kaffeend> why o why did they go with intel anyway?
[03:21] <jowi> did anyone get problems with firefox 1.0.6? it just refuses to maximize for me. no other apps have this problem.
[03:21] <pekka> Now... How exactly do I change the language of ubuntu back to english? I installed it in finnish and I think I would prefer english afterall.
[03:21] <LinuxDolt> gregg_: a lot of stuff.  lemme point you to a screenie: http://photobucket.com/albums/v247/SlicerSV/misc/?action=view&current=HydraIRC-screenie.png
[03:21] <Seveas> pekka, sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[03:21] <kaffeend> jowi no mine is fine
[03:21] <pekka> k, thx
[03:22] <jowi> kaffeend, ok, thanks. will re-install the sucker.
[03:22] <kaffeend> ok jowi gl with that mat
[03:22] <Joose^> hi
[03:22] <kaffeend> mate*
[03:22] <gregg_> LinuxDolt: doesn't look that special
[03:23] <Joose^> does exist any guide to configured ubuntu for run more fast ?
[03:23] <Seveas> Joose^, what's the slowness?
[03:23] <LinuxDolt> gregg_: know of any other client that allows you to watch all joined channels from all connected servers from just a single panel?
[03:23] <windex|coding> LinuxDolt, ... xchat has a channel monitor.
[03:23] <kaffeend> my net is slow
[03:24] <Gorgonzola> time for some sleep
[03:24] <Nermal> kafeine, change the MTU to 1400 ?
[03:24] <LinuxDolt> windex|coding: how do you use it?
[03:24] <Gorgonzola> nite all, thanks for the help, you'll be seeing more of me around here (like it or not, hehe)
[03:24] <kaffeend> Nermal wtf?
[03:24] <windex|coding> LinuxDolt, the channel tabs in xchat change text color. red for activity, blue if someone says your nick.
[03:24] <Joose^> Seveas i don't it's slow to open windows and programms like openO
[03:24] <kaffeend> lol what is MTU please dude?
[03:24] <Seveas> openoffice is slow
[03:24] <LinuxDolt> windex|coding: that's half-ass
[03:25] <Joose^> Seveas and the windows?
[03:25] <windex|coding> LinuxDolt, how so?
[03:25] <salil> anyone know how to get PL-2303 Driver for ubuntu..??
[03:25] <Nermal> kafeine, I find it strangely amusing to state a solution that I know people won't understand
[03:25] <windex|coding> LinuxDolt, it keeps channels on each server connected to it grouped as well.
[03:25] <jowi> kaffeend, crap. it was my windowmanagers fault
[03:25] <concept10> !info nvu
[03:26] <kaffeend> jowi what was it?
[03:26] <LinuxDolt> windex|coding: any client worth existing does that
[03:26] <gregg_> LinuxDolt: I'm not really sure what you mean with "watch"
[03:26] <thoreauputic> !nvu
[03:26] <ubotu> rumour has it, nvu is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingNvu http://www.nvu.com/ Linux/Mac/Windows Web authoring.
[03:26] <jowi> kaffeend, no idea. only Oroborus display the problem with firefox not maximising
[03:26] <kaffeend> so is it a REAL solution Nermal?
[03:26] <salil> anyone know how to get PL-2303 Driver for ubuntu..??
[03:27] <francesco__> Seveas :: everything went ok... thanx a lot... bye!
[03:27] <kaffeend> well, I got no idea dude - I'm too green to help I'm afraid
[03:27] <LinuxDolt> i can read everything that goes on in all my channels on all my networks from one single panel
[03:27] <concept10> thoreauputic, someone should just put it in the repositories
[03:27] <Seveas> LinuxDolt, that is so friggen annoying...
[03:27] <gregg_> LinuxDolt: you can read THAT fast? :)
[03:27] <LinuxDolt> name one other client that can do that
[03:27] <salil> anyone know how to get PL-2303 Driver for ubuntu..??
[03:27] <LinuxDolt> gregg_: perhaps i do
[03:27] <Joose^> anyone know about a guide for configured grub?
[03:27] <thoreauputic> concept10: I believe it will be in breezy
[03:28] <Seveas> thoreauputic, it already is afaik
[03:28] <nbcmayhem> mhh can't install ubuntu on my G5
[03:28] <gregg_> well, I don't know of any other client which can do that, but it doesn't make that much sense for me anyway :)
[03:28] <nbcmayhem> it keeps getting kernel panics
[03:28] <jowi> salil, isn't that a USB controller?
[03:28] <concept10> im going to add breezy today
[03:28] <gregg_> I could wirte a script for irssi to do that
[03:28] <ajmitch> Seveas: yes, not the 1.0 final version though, looks like someone needs to update nvu in universe
[03:29] <LinuxDolt> who cares if it makes sense to you or not?  it is POSSIBLE, and some people may just want it
[03:29] <nbcmayhem> someone here who can help me
[03:29] <ajmitch> Seveas: and I'm not volunteering to do it :)
[03:29] <Seveas> ajmitch, *g*
[03:30] <gregg_> irssi is extremely flexible, nicely scriptable and has plugins like irssi-proxy which undoubtly make it the best thing since sliced bread
[03:30] <salil> jowi:  yes it is
[03:30] <salil> jowi: do you know how to set it up..?
[03:31] <LinuxDolt> when i first started using Hydra in windows because of xchat's shareware for windows port garbage, i thought the channel monitor was rather messed up too, but once i got used to it, i miss it
[03:32] <jowi> salil, I found this one from 2004. do not know if it works for hoary: http://www.geekindenial.com/blog/archives/2004/11/
[03:32] <salil> jowi: which one is it for?
[03:32] <LinuxDolt> my biggest complaint against Hydra, however, is lack of UTF-8 support
[03:33] <LinuxDolt> a lot of people wouldn't like it because it doesn't have any scripting yet either
[03:33] <jowi> salil, pl-2303. does not say which version of ubuntu (it's a blog)
[03:34] <LinuxDolt> anyways... i REALLY do need to get to bed...
[03:34] <kaffeend> hey guys, I'm trying to use: apt-get install nvidia-glx to enable my nvidia drivers, and it's not working for me. Get the following error:
[03:34] <kaffeend> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[03:34] <kaffeend> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[03:34] <thoreauputic> jowi: probably for warty, given the date
[03:34] <Seveas> kaffeend, sudo apt-get ...
[03:34] <gregg_> kaffeend: sudo
[03:34] <kaffeend> doh, what a clutz
[03:34] <kaffeend> thanks guys
[03:34] <catfox> is breezy gonna have a bootsplash? :)
[03:34] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: heh
[03:35] <Seveas> catfox, possibly
[03:35] <jowi> salil, does not 'modprobe pl2303' work for you?
[03:35] <salil> jowi: let me try
[03:36] <salil> jowi: what is it supposed to show..?
[03:36] <kaffeend> I'm so sick of seeing: Media change: please insert the disc labeled
[03:36] <kaffeend>  'Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release amd64 (20050407)'
[03:36] <kaffeend> in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter
[03:36] <jowi> salil, if successful: nothing!
[03:36] <catfox> Seveas, what's it gonna be based on, do you know?
[03:36] <salil> jowi: it is successful i think...
[03:36] <thoreauputic> salil: silence is golden in *nix :)
[03:36] <Chaotic_Shield> too bad it takes up like 3GB
[03:36] <Seveas> catfox, udu.wiki.ubuntulcom can tell you :)
[03:36] <Seveas> catfox, udu.wiki.ubuntu.com can tell you :)
[03:36] <salil> so.. how do i use the phone then..?  i want to be able to transfer files and all that..
[03:37] <salil> jowi: so.. how do i use the phone then..?  i want to be able to transfer files and all that..
[03:37] <mjog> hey guys, so exactly how "broken" is X in breezy at the moment?
[03:37] <catfox> Seveas, cheers
[03:37] <mjog> I am thinking of upgrading
[03:37] <jowi> salil, that i have no idea.
[03:37] <mjog> to get 2.6.12 so I can apply the SATA resume patch
[03:37] <salil> jowi:  do you know anything about bluetooth..??
[03:37] <thoreauputic> mjog: <----------------------------->  about that much
[03:38] <Seveas> mjog, broken.
[03:38] <mjog> thoreauputic: ahhh, that sucks
[03:38] <Seveas> thoreauputic, more like <----->
[03:38] <mjog> what are the problems with it?
[03:38] <Chaotic_Shield> FUCK
[03:38] <Seveas> it's getting close :)
[03:38] <thoreauputic> Seveas: :)
[03:38] <Seveas> Chaotic_Shield, language....
[03:38] <Chaotic_Shield> irc.anope.org doesn't work for me.
[03:38] <jowi> salil, no
[03:38] <Chaotic_Shield> sorry Seveas
[03:38] <salil> jowi: ooh.. thanks anyway..
[03:38] <kaffeend> no it's a ten hyphen big I think
[03:38] <Chaotic_Shield> It's just bugging me that that doesn't work.
[03:39] <kaffeend> can anyone help me with cedega please? I have no idea what I'm doing here.....
[03:40] <Seveas> kaffeend, #cedega
[03:40] <kaffeend> Seveas they never talk to me dude
[03:40] <kaffeend> those ppl are weird
[03:40] <FlyingSquirrel32> Anyone have suggestions on a good multiplayer game for linux, besides wine and the like
[03:40] <Bubbling_Zombie> FlyingSquirrel32 : what kind of game?
[03:41] <mjog> FlyingSquirrel32: bzflag!
[03:41] <thoreauputic> From 66.252.3.2 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable  < not surprising he couldn't connect to irc.anope.org
[03:41] <FlyingSquirrel32> well, something to play with a friend that doesn't like the violence of a first-person shooter
[03:41] <mjog> FlyingSquirrel32: wesnoth
[03:41] <Seveas> kaffeend, ah.. didn't know that :)
[03:41] <kaffeend> Americas Army FlyingSquirrel32
[03:42] <salil> jowi:  how do you mount a character type device..??
[03:42] <kaffeend> too difficult to get any attention in #cedega Seveas
[03:42] <FlyingSquirrel32> mjog: bzflag is good, but I'd like a little more sophisticated. (BTW have you seen cube? cubeengine.org)
[03:42] <FlyingSquirrel32> kaffeend: a little less violent
[03:43] <mjog> FlyingSquirrel32: wesnoth is a cool RPG
[03:43] <Joose^> how configure the grub? :S
[03:43] <thenuke> kaffeend: have you read the documents about cedega
[03:43] <kaffeend> FlyingSquirrel32 sorry I only know violent games I'm afraid :s
[03:43] <mjog> but the basic premise is still going around and killing things
[03:43] <kaffeend> thenuke yes but I only speak so much geek
[03:43] <FlyingSquirrel32> kaffeend: I'd like to find something to play with my wife ;-)
[03:44] <thenuke> and did you ask help in the #cedega like you did in here? Just asking for help :) and not really asking a question what matters
[03:44] <jowi> salil, i'm not the right person to ask
[03:44] <kaffeend> yeah, Americas Army
[03:44] <salil> jowi: ah.. okay
[03:44] <jowi> salil, i think you should be able to test if it works by sending it a textstring though. like "echo 'teststring' > /dev/usb/tts/0" or something like that.
[03:44] <Joose^> how configure the grub? :S
[03:44] <kaffeend> you could always port The Sims FlyingSquirrel32
[03:45] <sorush20> guys I'm unable to access the default profile on the thunderbird any help please
[03:45] <thoreauputic> Joose^: to do what? Your question is very general...
[03:46] <kaffeend> thenuke I'm also trying to learn the command line so I'm doing a LOT of reading
[03:46] <thenuke> kaffeend: aha.
[03:46] <Viking76> Joose : your question is very general, but # sudo vi /boot/grub/menu.list will probably help quite a bit.
[03:47] <Viking76> /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:47] <Seveas> sorush20, remove the thunderbird lockfile
[03:47] <Seveas> somewhere in that profile dir
[03:47] <xmastree> hi, new here. Anyone expert with scripts? I have a strange problem...
[03:47] <thoreauputic> Viking76: hmm - perhaps sudo gedit (unless he knows vi) ;)
[03:47] <FlyingSquirrel32> kaffeend: yeah, there must be something lively, and multiplayer with out being violent. Perhaps I'll have to write it :)
[03:48] <dbernar1> xmastree: ask the question, use a pastebin, and so on, to get help better.
[03:48] <xmastree> ? what do you mean?
[03:48] <thenuke> kaffeend: americas army is available for linux itself
[03:48] <thenuke> kaffeend: you dont need cedega
[03:48] <shawarma> xmastree: Just ask your question.
[03:48] <Hildgrim> is there something like the filezilla server for ubunto?
[03:49] <kaffeend> FlyingSquirrel32 if you are serious let me know, as I am modding games at the moment - but using windows for it :s
[03:49] <dbernar1> xmastree: your question is not whethetr someone is an expert. You have a specific question. Ask it. As for a pastebin, that is where you paste stuff. We will likely need to see the script...
[03:49] <kaffeend> thenuke I know that but I want FarCry
[03:49] <xmastree> ok, I have a script, sending a command to a digital camera. The last switch is -a but it isn't being passed to the camera.
[03:49] <FlyingSquirrel32> thenuke: yeah, I'm gonna try Americas Army out, but like I said, its a little too violent for my wife.
[03:49] <xmastree> It's like the -a is affecting the script...
[03:49] <kaffeend> the 64 bit FarCry that is ;)
[03:50] <thoreauputic> xmastree: see /topic for a pastebin
[03:50] <vdm> Why is X broken in breezy?
[03:50] <xmastree> interestingly, in gedit, the -a shows up a different color, like it's a special comand
[03:50] <Seveas> vdm, because daniels broke it :)
[03:50] <vdm> Seems to work perfectly here after building the nv driver :)
[03:50] <vdm> hehe
[03:50] <Joose^> thoreauputic i want to configure the grub and change the time and if is no select the option start with win and not with ubunut
[03:51] <kaffeend> thenuke also, I clicked on the d/load link for americas Army and it took me to a page of text! wtf?
[03:51] <FlyingSquirrel32> kaffeend: why do you prefer farcry over aa?
[03:51] <Seveas> Joose^, than change the lines that start with timeout and defaulkt
[03:51] <kaffeend> FlyingSquirrel because it feels more real basically
[03:51] <FlyingSquirrel32> oh.
[03:51] <kaffeend> you can just jump in and play
[03:52] <kaffeend> none of this basic training bullshit
[03:52] <dbernar1>  xmastree well, the gedit is just using some syntax highlighting...
[03:52] <thoreauputic> Joose^: as Viking76 suggested, open /boot/grub/menu.lst with an editor - like  sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:52] <FlyingSquirrel32> Hildgrim: what does filezilla do?
[03:52] <thenuke> kaffeend: hmm, a page of text.. let me check my crystal ball of Seeing.. humm.. The spirits wont tell me anything now about screenfuls of text :(
[03:52] <Joose^> ok thanx
[03:52] <Viking76> Hmm.. Don't use breezy yet? I'm running breezy right now without a hitch :)
[03:52] <mgcross> hi all
[03:52] <kaffeend> thenuke hang on plz
[03:52] <Joose^> thoreauputic that its for the terminal not?
[03:53] <xmastree> Yeah, byt why would it highlight -a? the command is like <path>delete -p5 -s5 -a
[03:53] <Viking76> Yeah, Joose.
[03:53] <xmastree> from a terminal it is ok, but within the script it'snot.
[03:53] <mgcross> I'm getting an error running gnomebaker...was forced to install k3b and it worked just fine.....
[03:53] <Joose^> oka ;)
[03:53] <thoreauputic> Joose^: for an easy terminal editor substitute nano for gedit - gedit is a GUI editor
[03:53] <Dr_Fate> java freezes FF at least 4 times a day
[03:53] <setite> i need to know of a super small linux
[03:53] <dbernar1> xmastree: just cause it thinks its something else*
[03:53] <setite> that i can fit on a few floppy discs to run on a really old laptop
[03:54] <Factor[Y] > how to change my hostname?
[03:54] <setite> a DECpc 320
[03:54] <Viking76> You can also to System->Administration->Boot
[03:54] <Viking76> do*
[03:54] <jowi> setite, dsl wont fit on a floppy but it is small and lightning fast
[03:54] <Viking76> Which is probably quite a bit easier :)
[03:54] <philwil> setite: does your old laptop have usb
[03:54] <Dr_Fate> setite, coyote
[03:54] <FlyingSquirrel32> thenuke: I don't see the linux d/load
[03:54] <mgcross> makes me mad, as the last time I ran it (gnomebaker) it worked fine: didn't want to install all those kde things...sigh
[03:54] <philwil> setite: DSL linux is pretty small
[03:54] <setite> no usb
[03:54] <xmastree> well, the script doesn't work, although it works with mdk8.0, so that 'something else' must really be something, no?
[03:54] <dbernar1> *disclaimer. I am not sure, I think uit more likely that it is not at all related to what you are doing, since sybntax highlightingit is using is for php or something, html...who knows. Is it a .sh file?
[03:54] <setite> real small
[03:54] <philwil> setite:  DSL (damn small linux)
[03:54] <mgcross> anyone have any experience diagnosing gnomebaker probs?
[03:54] <setite> dsl is 50mb
[03:54] <setite> thats too big
[03:54] <thoreauputic> setite: maybe Tiny Linux
[03:55] <setite> i need an os that iwll run on this thing...
[03:55] <dbernar1> micro bits?
[03:55] <Viking76> LRP?
[03:55] <setite> windows 3.1 size i suppose
[03:55] <Viking76> Linux Router Project
[03:55] <dbernar1> mili, actually
[03:55] <thoreauputic> setite:  http://tiny.seul.org/
[03:55] <philwil> setite: you can always boot from floppy and load from ftp
[03:55] <Factor[Y] > how to change my hostname?
[03:56] <dbernar1> xmastree: is it a .sh file?
[03:56] <Viking76> sudo gedit vi /etc/hostname
[03:56] <xmastree> yes, it's a .sh file, executable, other commands work but the one with the -a at the end complains there aren't enough parameters.
[03:56] <Viking76> blah
[03:56] <Viking76> sudo gedit /etc/hostname
[03:56] <concept10> I wish I knew how to turn that nvu tarball to a .deb
[03:56] <Viking76> damn vi is so ingrained i just type it instinctively :)
[03:56] <setite> loading from ftp would be trouble..
[03:56] <dbernar1> ok, I wanna see something, I will be back..
[03:56] <setite> this thing is a doorstop
[03:56] <thoreauputic> Viking76: I see what you mean about habits ;)
[03:56] <omega_> My MPlayer isn't responding... how do I force-quit a program?
[03:56] <setite> but a friend is determined to use it
[03:57] <thoreauputic> setite: I hate to repeat, but Tiny Linux might do it
[03:57] <mgcross> it tells me (gnomebaker) Requested device index [2]  is out of bounds. All devices have been read.
[03:57] <FlyingSquirrel32> kaffeend: filecloud.com had it.
[03:57] <znh> does anyone know a flash decompiler?
[03:57] <jowi> setite, HAL91 might be what you are looking for. fits on a single 1.44 mb floppy
[03:57] <dbernar1> xmastree: ya, it does have bash highlighting, gedit does...
[03:57] <omega_> Is there a sort of key combination to force-quit programs with?
[03:57] <kaffeend> FlyingSquirrel32 thanks
[03:57] <kaffeend> I'll check it now
[03:57] <evanpro> omega_, Alt-F4
[03:58] <xmastree> yeah, so what does -a mean in bash that's different from the bash in mandrake 8.0?
[03:58] <evanpro> Or Ctl+C if it's a terminal progrm
[03:58] <omega_> Doesn't work.
[03:58] <evanpro> omega_, it should come up with a msg box
[03:58] <evanpro> If you're really stuck...
[03:58] <jowi> omega_, or xkill (and then click on the app you want to kill)
[03:58] <Viking76> omega_ : it's harsh, but terminal this : ps-ef | grep programname
[03:58] <evanpro> Applications -> Run Application -> type 'xkill'
[03:58] <mgcross> no one with any help?
[03:58] <evanpro> The cursor changes
[03:58] <omega_> Nothing is happening. I'll try Viking's method.
[03:59] <dbernar1> xmastree: well, I would not expect bash to differ from one dfistro to another all that much. /join #bash
[03:59] <evanpro> And you click on the window
[03:59] <Viking76> omega_ : kill -9 <firstnumber> in the line with your app (process number)
[03:59] <omega_> Woah.
[03:59] <omega_> Xkill worked nicely.
[03:59] <kaffeend> can't find it there
[03:59] <kaffeend> damn this
[03:59] <evanpro> Yeah, it's too bad there's not similar functionality built into Gnome
[03:59] <omega_> Thanks.
[03:59] <Viking76> Hmmz. I don't have a Run Application in my Applications Menu. That's strange.
[03:59] <kaffeend> google normally takes me to the best site first
[03:59] <xmastree> me too, but it works on my old system. I want to replace with ub box but can't get this script to run. :-(
[04:00] <dbernar1> xmastree: join #bash, they would likely know.
[04:00] <dbernar1> I am hungry.
[04:00] <xmastree> ok, I'll try there. thanks
[04:00] <Viking76> Then eat something ;)
[04:00] <dbernar1> welcome.
[04:00] <Simonth> I have installed chroot things...(http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575) and have skype installed..I can in a terminal write "chroot /chroot" and then "skype" and skype starts up but how do I make a link/icon to skype on my 64bit desktop?
[04:00] <setite> thanks for the link to tiny linux
[04:00] <znh>  /join #linux
[04:00] <setite> it looks like it should do the trick
[04:01] <jowi> setite, i found : http://mulinux.sunsite.dk/
[04:01] <dbernar1> Simonth: is it a gnome desktop?
[04:01] <Simonth> dbernar1, no, KDE (kubuntu)
[04:02] <dbernar1> when you right click on the desktop, what are your options?
[04:02] <Simonth> dbernar1, I know how I make a "link to program" but what should the dir be?
[04:02] <jowi> Simonth, why do you need chroot for skype?
[04:02] <dbernar1> not dir...
[04:02] <Simonth> jowi, there is no 64bit version
[04:02] <jowi> Simonth, oh
[04:02] <dbernar1> you need a command: chroot /chroot && skype
[04:02] <Derkommissar> Hello
[04:02] <dbernar1> *I think
[04:02] <dbernar1> yo
[04:02] <Simonth> okay, I try
[04:03] <Simonth> jowi, the debian package dosent work..
[04:03] <Simonth> jowi, , from skype's homepage..it is saying that it is the wrong..dist or something, not to amd64 but only to i386..
[04:03] <dbernar1> Simonth: did you get my idea?
[04:03] <jowi> Simonth, yeah i understand
[04:03] <TenPlus1> hi folks...
[04:03] <TenPlus1> any network experts in today ???
[04:04] <jowi> TenPlus1, ask a specific question
[04:04] <setite> any know how to work cedega with ubuntu hoary 64
[04:04] <Simonth> dbernar1, yes.."chroot /chroot && skype" ..should I type that in "arbejdssti"(Dont know what it is on english)?..I have try but it wont work
[04:04] <thoreauputic> TenPlus1: everyone just ran away - asking for an expert is the kiss of death ;)
[04:04] <setite> i cant get it to work under chroot or forced arch
[04:04] <Simonth> dbernar1, , "kommando"*
[04:04] <setite> point2play runs... but the installer for a game freezes
[04:04] <cyphase> is anyone here running a gnutella node?
[04:04] <dbernar1> I dont know, Simonth , you need to make an application launcher, and when it asks which command to run, type that in.
[04:05] <TenPlus1> Q.) I have Firestarter installed to share the internet connection through my wlan0 card using a static up address, it connects ok but nothing is getting through, any ideas ???
[04:05] <TenPlus1> lol @ thor
[04:06] <Simonth> dbernar1, Okay. Thanks I try...
[04:06] <dbernar1> welcome.
[04:06] <dbernar1> TenPlus1: what?
[04:06] <pekka> Does mplayer mozilla plugin work fine with everyone else? If i try to go to  http://<insert some website here>/something.wmv the plugin starts downloading the video, when it is ready it halts and goes unresponsive
[04:06] <dbernar1> TenPlus1: say that again, with more info.
[04:06] <dbernar1> Like, it connects? does that mean you get an IP on the other computer?
[04:06] <sorush20> guys.. I've tried to remove the lock file in the profile... built its a link to another file... but I can't find where it is linking.. to can anyone help please.. I keep getting the message that the default user is in use... but that can't be with Thunderbird since I'm the default user ... and I'm not using the default user... I've tried kill all of all the mozilla-thunderbird processes.. but its not use.. I either... select t
[04:06] <TenPlus1> I just finished installing my wireless pci card and the driver using ndiswrapper...
[04:07] <Chaotic_Shield> TenPlus1, restart.
[04:07] <dbernar1> pekka: why not download the file, and watch it in a media player.
[04:07] <TenPlus1> everything works ok and using firestarter I'm sharing my internet connection on lan0 through wlan0 so my winxp laptop can get online
[04:07] <TenPlus1> ..but.. it seems to connects ok although noything it getting to the laptop packet wise#
[04:07] <Chaotic_Shield> does Ubuntu have a Remote Desktop system of somekind already installed?
[04:08] <Derkommissar> i have a problem..... im trying to start gome and i get an error message that it died under 10 senconds and i get kicked out, i press detail and it says it could not access the Iceauthority file
[04:08] <Derkommissar> can anyone help me with this ?
[04:08] <jowi> Chaotic_Shield, yes.
[04:08] <Chaotic_Shield> :)
[04:08] <jowi> Chaotic_Shield, it is called vino-server
[04:08] <Chaotic_Shield> happy happy happy.
[04:08] <Chaotic_Shield> It have a client installed by default?
[04:08] <Chaotic_Shield> or should I apt-get vino-client
[04:08] <pekka> dbernar1, i guess that is what i gotta do, but that kind of takes out the fun frm the word "plugin"
[04:08] <jowi> Chaotic_Shield, yes: tsclient
[04:08] <thoreauputic> Derkommissar: rm ~/.ICEauthority, then login again
[04:08] <TenPlus1> dbernar1: any ideas ?
[04:09] <Chaotic_Shield> sweet
[04:09] <jowi> Chaotic_Shield, vino-server is installed by default
[04:09] <setite> .ICEauthority is evil
[04:09] <setite> it had my ubuntu broke for a week after installing that cd burner program
[04:09] <jowi> Chaotic_Shield, type: vino-preferences to set it up
[04:09] <dbernar1> I still dont have info.
[04:09] <thoreauputic> setite: heh - he left anyway :S
[04:09] <dbernar1> DO you get an IP address on the other computer?
[04:10] <Chaotic_Shield> yay!
[04:10] <Chaotic_Shield> That means I can save money on a keyboard and mouse
[04:10] <setite> yea... when i see the word ICEauthority i wanna cry...
[04:10] <Chaotic_Shield> and a monitro.
[04:10] <Chaotic_Shield> monitor*
[04:10] <jowi> Chaotic_Shield, there should also be a menu item for it but since i do not run gnome i do not remember where it is located.
[04:10] <setite> it reminds me of the pain of mixing KDE apps with GNOME
[04:10] <Chaotic_Shield> I found it jowi
[04:10] <Chaotic_Shield> d0000000d
[04:10] <TenPlus1> the XP laptop is setup for DCHP so it'll (hopefully) auto-detect my wireless card on either my WinXP or Ubuntu dual boot
[04:10] <Chaotic_Shield> happy happy happy.
[04:11] <BB> Hi there?
[04:11] <Chaotic_Shield> now
[04:11] <Chaotic_Shield> to listen to m00sic!
[04:11] <jowi> Chaotic_Shield, vino-server uses VNC btw. so to connect from a win box you need realvnc or something. to connect to a windowsbox from tsclient set it to rdp
[04:11] <dbernar1> TenPlus1: ok, well, you run firestarter, set up for IP connection sharing, in Ubuntu. THat box is online. YOu have also what?
[04:11] <Chaotic_Shield> heh
[04:12] <Chaotic_Shield> I'm just going to run Ubuntu <-> Ubuntu
[04:12] <Chaotic_Shield> Because Ubuntu > Windows
[04:12] <highvoltage> damn straight!
[04:12] <jowi> Chaotic_Shield, then you do not need anymore help :-)
[04:12] <Chaotic_Shield> exactly :-P
[04:12] <sorush20> guys.. i have a problem with Kubuntu.. the kDE doesn't show that exact size of the folder... forexample my homefolder is showing as only 4 KB in size where as infact there is about 15 GB of data on that folder.. can any on hellp..
[04:12] <TenPlus1> dbernar1: firestarter is running and setup with 192.168.0.1 / 255.255.255.0 static ip and sharing internet ON...
[04:12] <dbernar1> ssh into it.ok, do you have dhcpd3 installed?
[04:12] <TenPlus1> the WinXP laptop detects the wireless card ok but fails to connect internet or shared files... I cant even ping
[04:12] <dbernar1> not ssh, disregard that.
[04:13] <frank_> sorush20: right click properties for the folder
[04:13] <jowi> sorush20, the size of the "folder" is not larger than that. but the "contents of the folder" is 15 gb :-)
[04:13] <dbernar1> TenPlus1: go see if you have anh IP address on the XP, too. But not if you dont have the dhcpd3-server installed on ubuntu.
[04:13] <Chaotic_Shield> oh mama!
[04:13] <Chaotic_Shield> 13GB of music, here I come!
[04:13] <vitriol> isn't alsa-conf supposed to be a part of alsa-utils ?
[04:13] <BB> IS anyone can tell how to connect on the Internet throught Ubuntu
[04:13] <ekimus> hi, how do i get the list of all packages installed with apt-get/dpkg?
[04:13] <TenPlus1> dbernar1: XP choses 198.162.0.2 as an ip when the cards connect...
[04:14] <vitriol> i can't seem to use the alsa-conf command
[04:14] <TenPlus1> er... 192.168.0.2 ... sorry
[04:14] <Seveas> dpkg -l | egrep '^ii'
[04:14] <sorush20> but I want to be able to see the size of the contents... afterall.. all folder will look the same if that is the default..
[04:14] <Seveas> or: dpkg --get-selctions
[04:14] <Chaotic_Shield> d00000000
[04:14] <Chaotic_Shield> Plus System 2win.
[04:14] <dbernar1> TenPlus1: so then a dhcp server is installed on ubuntu?
[04:15] <jowi> Chaotic_Shield, since i have a broken back atm i am sitting in the sofa with a laptop controlling my main comp through ssh. playing music of course and with alsamixer open in case i need to adjust the volume :-)
[04:15] <BB> I just install the Ubuntu only
[04:15] <Chaotic_Shield> :)
[04:15] <Chaotic_Shield> nice
[04:15] <jowi> Chaotic_Shield, that is sweet too
[04:15] <Chaotic_Shield> very nice
[04:15] <TenPlus1> no... I've told Firestarter and wlan0 network settings to use 192.168.0.1 as static ip no...  I'm leaving the auto-detecting to WinXP so it can chose it's own number to suit
[04:15] <vitriol> i have two sound cards running (well one is a tv tuner actually) and it's defaulting to the one i'm not using. anybody know how to change this?
[04:15] <vitriol> i currently have no sound
[04:16] <dbernar1> TenPlus1: do you absolutely need the IP to be static on XP?
[04:16] <BB> IS anyone can tell how to connect on the Internet throught Ubuntu?
[04:16] <jowi> vitriol, easiest solution: turn off the one you don't use in the bios
[04:16] <dbernar1> in any case, go read wiki.ubuntu.com and search for connection sharing, or ip forwarding.
[04:16] <TenPlus1> dbernar... the ip is static on ubuntu, WinXP is dchp to chose it's own
[04:16] <Chaotic_Shield> hey, Rythymbox does iPod support?
[04:16] <Chaotic_Shield> YES
[04:16] <Chaotic_Shield> w00t
[04:16] <Chaotic_Shield> I love you Linux
[04:17] <Slipaway172> linux isnt a person
[04:17] <vitriol> jowi: in the past i could just run alsaconf and it would let me select the card i wanted to use...but there is no alsaconf utility present (i thought it was part of alsa-utils)
[04:17] <apokryphos> Chaotic_Shield: does it sync all tracks prperly too? Cool, didn't know that.
[04:17] <Chaotic_Shield> who cares!
[04:17] <Slipaway172> linus is a person so love him
[04:17] <Chaotic_Shield> apokryphos, I haven't tried yet.
[04:17] <dbernar1> ok, then, you need the dhcp server. TenPlus1 part of the page you will get, the latter part was written by me. THe first part I have not tested on ubuntu, but is how I use IP forwarding on this debian.
[04:17] <Chaotic_Shield> Am now.
[04:17] <apokryphos> Chaotic_Shield: amaroK does, btw.
[04:17] <Chaotic_Shield> fuck
[04:17] <Chaotic_Shield> ermm.
[04:17] <Chaotic_Shield> f00k.
[04:17] <Chaotic_Shield> my bad
[04:18] <dbernar1> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/forum/hardware/InternetConectionSharing?highlight=%28connection%29%7C%28sharing%29 in case you did not find it yet.
[04:18] <Chaotic_Shield> I forgot my USB cable, only got the firewire one here.
[04:18] <ice04> Hi all total newbie here
[04:18] <Slipaway172> fookmi and fookyu
[04:18] <Chaotic_Shield> lol
[04:18] <dbernar1> W00t new3bie!!
[04:18] <Chaotic_Shield> n00bs2win
[04:18] <ice04> i want access my ubuntu box remotely how do i enable port 22 for ssh
[04:18] <TenPlus1> thx dbernar1... will give it a look see
[04:18] <apokryphos> ice04: it's already done! Ubuntu doesn't block any ports by default
[04:18] <Chaotic_Shield> ice04, open a terminal and type vino-preferences
[04:19] <Chaotic_Shield> that enables the remote desktop system
[04:19] <dbernar1> apokryphos: ...
[04:19] <dbernar1> apokryphos: sorry.
[04:19] <dbernar1> ice04: did you install the ssh server?
[04:19] <ice04> it says cannot open display - vino-prefrences
[04:19] <ice04> GTK warning
[04:20] <Chaotic_Shield> hm.
[04:20] <ice04> ssh server ??
[04:20] <dbernar1> ice04: in every connection to a remote computer, there is a server()the one you connect to) and a c lient(one you connect from).
[04:20] <Chaotic_Shield> vino is remote desktop.
[04:20] <Chaotic_Shield> heh
[04:20] <Chaotic_Shield> lets go to 1^2
[04:20] <Chaotic_Shield> what do you want? SSH or Remote Desktop?
[04:20] <dbernar1> the serving computer needs a server application running.
[04:21] <ice04> ok i am using putty to connect to ubuntu
[04:21] <dbernar1> sudo aptitude search openssh-server will find the server. If it has an i beside it it is installed.
[04:21] <ice04> when i nmap the box there are no ports open
[04:21] <ice04> i need to SSH into the ubuntu server
[04:21] <dbernar1> sudo aptitude install openssh-server will install the server in case there is a p beside the name from the search.
[04:21] <Chaotic_Shield> ok
[04:21] <Chaotic_Shield> heh.
[04:22] <kaffeend> okay I'm d/loading America's Army from Filecloud.com FlyingSquirrel32
[04:22] <kaffeend> thanks bud
[04:22] <dbernar1> ice04: get what you need to do, if you follow me?
[04:22] <Chaotic_Shield> anyone here like hard dance?
[04:22] <sorush20> guys.. why is it that all my emails with in my thunderbird profile is packed into just one html file.. all together... and the folder that is called inbox.sbd is empty...
[04:22] <dbernar1> you almost made me swear./..
[04:22] <Chaotic_Shield> yes.
[04:22] <Chaotic_Shield> soft dance == techno
[04:23] <dbernar1> and hard?
[04:23] <ice04> ok dbernar1
[04:23] <Chaotic_Shield> hard dance == rave!
[04:23] <sproingie> house maybe?
[04:23] <Chaotic_Shield> \o/
[04:23] <kaffeend> trance lol
[04:23] <Chaotic_Shield> nah
[04:23] <Chaotic_Shield> house is wimpy.
[04:23] <dbernar1> youre a newb it seems to me, Chaotic_Shield .
[04:23] <ice04> yes total newbie
[04:23] <dbernar1> to the electronic thing.
[04:23] <sproingie> Chaotic_Shield: don't be a genre bigot
[04:23] <Chaotic_Shield> heh
[04:23] <kaffeend> psy-trance
[04:23] <dbernar1> I dance much harder to techno than some wimpy terance/hardcore/"rave"
[04:23] <Chaotic_Shield> heh
[04:24] <ice04> ??
[04:24] <dbernar1> ice04: do you know what to do now?
[04:24] <sproingie> used to collect a lot of techno of all stripes, dont buy much music now tho
[04:24] <kaffeend> anyone hear Shpongle?
[04:24] <Chaotic_Shield> I like Apollo, Milo, Gammer, Dougal, Scott Brown, Hixxy, etc.
[04:24] <Chaotic_Shield> I don't buy music.
[04:24] <Chaotic_Shield> Canada == free music
[04:24] <Chaotic_Shield> :)
[04:24] <ice04> still trying
[04:24] <sproingie> ah, so basically artists work for free when it comes to you
[04:24] <thoreauputic> guys, #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:25] <Chaotic_Shield> yes sproingie
[04:25] <dbernar1> ok, sudo aptitude install openssh-server
[04:25] <ice04> yes i want to ssh into the ubuntu box
[04:25] <Chaotic_Shield> but I haven't gotten music in a long time.
[04:25] <ice04> ok hold
[04:25] <Chaotic_Shield> like a LONG time.
[04:25] <dbernar1> that will install the server for you, and it most likely will owrk after that, unless you have ports blocked by a router, or something.
[04:25] <kaffeend> I like buying music coz you get the case, and the sleeve, with pics and stuff and discographies etc
[04:25] <sproingie> not gettin into this anyway, gettin way off channel topic
[04:25] <thoreauputic> ice04: the ubuntu box needs openssh-server installed
[04:25] <dbernar1> Certainly, I will be right here.
[04:25] <ortox> guys, why won't ecasounds icon show up in the menu?
[04:25] <dbernar1> :D
[04:25] <ice04> sorry i dont have a cdrom drive is it possible to install from an ftp mirror
[04:25] <ortox> i did the menu update and still didnt show
[04:25] <TenPlus1> dbernarl: firestarter doesnt like the dhcp setting... it doesnt work with it ON
[04:25] <dbernar1> ortox: what way dd you install it?
[04:25] <ortox> through synaptic
[04:26] <dbernar1> TenPlus1: well, what exactly did you do so far? You can type out a pastebin, if you want, to collect it all together.
[04:26] <ortox> ???
[04:26] <ortox> im a noob to this
[04:26] <Chaotic_Shield> who here has any of the Bonkers albums?
[04:26] <ice04> from cd-rom but i dont have the drive anymore
[04:26] <jowi> vitriol, ok: tough solution. gnome uses esd. you could kill esd + in gnome settings tell sound-server not to start + go to "gnome -> system -> prefs -> Multimedia system selector" output = custom. Pipeline = "alsasink device=hw:1" (default is hw:0)
[04:27] <TenPlus1> dbernarl: I turned on dhcp in firestarter which refused to work , then tried the steps on the link u gave me, which didnt work cause ipmasq wasnt installed, and It wont let me install it cause the package is broken
[04:27] <ortox> dbernal: is there another app like ecasound? ill try it instead
[04:29] <dbernar1> ortox: well, you can add iconsd to yiour menus manualy...
[04:29] <Chaotic_Shield> bah
[04:29] <Kyral> !lart PeepingToms
[04:29] <ortox> how?
[04:29] <Chaotic_Shield> I now have to go set up a wireless router into an AP only.
[04:29] <Chaotic_Shield> f***.
[04:29] <ortox> i didnt know that
[04:29] <loorni> I am trying to install elinks and it keeps saying i dont have some libs are there any program witch downloads missing libs?
[04:29] <dbernar1> is there something I should know about ecasound? hehe, I dont know what it does, so I cant tell you what is like it...
[04:29] <setite> so no one has gotten point2play or cedega working on ubuntu 64
[04:29] <ortox> it is a music editor and recorder
[04:30] <dbernar1> ok, use that then.
[04:30] <setite> i mean i followed a guide and it was a no go
[04:30] <dbernar1> Hm...to add an item.
[04:30] <ortox> use what? ecasound?
[04:30] <dbernar1> smeg?
[04:30] <Chaotic_Shield> Anyone know if you can get Fruity Loops working on Linux?
[04:30] <ortox> smeg...
[04:30] <dbernar1> ya, use ecasound, I have no clue if ther eis something else...
[04:30] <ortox> ok
[04:30] <dbernar1> smeg, ya.
[04:30] <ortox> whats smeg
[04:30] <dbernar1> !smeg
[04:30] <ubotu> rumour has it, smeg is a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[04:30] <sproingie> Chaotic_Shield: one way to find out
[04:30] <ortox> do i install it?
[04:30] <ortox> through synatic?
[04:31] <Chaotic_Shield> sproingie, does that mean I have to install wine and try running it?
[04:31] <dbernar1> ortox: ubotu told you.
[04:31] <ortox> ok
[04:31] <thoreauputic> ortox: no, use the script from http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/
[04:31] <Factor[Y] > would it be senceless to instal some anti-virus on linux?
[04:31] <ortox> ok
[04:31] <thoreauputic> Factor[Y] : yes
[04:31] <Chaotic_Shield> Factor[Y] , heh.
[04:31] <Chaotic_Shield> I don't think there IS an AV for Linux.
[04:31] <thingfish> sure there is.
[04:32] <thingfish> clamav, for one.
[04:32] <dbernar1> thoreauputic: does smeg add icons at all? i think it does.
[04:32] <ortox> lets see if this works
[04:32] <dbernar1> thingfish: nice nick.
[04:32] <fng> clamav
[04:32] <thingfish> and then some big retail company released a linux version of its antivirus app yesterday.
[04:32] <setite> hey whats the syntax to join another network simultaneously..,,. i forgot
[04:32] <thoreauputic> Chaotic_Shield: there are several, but they sre pointless unless you are for example filtering mail for windows users
[04:32] <thingfish> thanks, dbernar1.
[04:32] <Factor[Y] > i have heard for some AV for linux but i'm not shure for installating it on my linuxbox
[04:32] <dbernar1> welcome.
[04:33] <thoreauputic> dbernar1: yes, you can choose icons in smeg IIRC
[04:33] <ortox> im at the link.. noww what
[04:33] <sproingie> setite: usually /server.  whether it disconnects you from this one depends on your app
[04:33] <setite> there is a command
[04:33] <ortox> where
[04:33] <thoreauputic> Factor[Y] : see my answer to Chaotic_Shield - you don't need it
[04:33] <rts23> anyone here know how to get quake2 working in ubuntu?
[04:33] <setite> its /server -someletter irc.server.com
[04:33] <[Spooky] > Hello i need the webpage for the ATI install anyone ??
[04:33] <Chaotic_Shield> yeah
[04:33] <Chaotic_Shield> Google.
[04:34] <sproingie> !binarydriverhowto
[04:34] <ubotu> well, binarydriverhowto is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto or ask !Display !Resolution !ati !nvidia Please use /msg <your_question> to avoid flooding the channel
[04:34] <sproingie> !at
[04:34] <ubotu> sproingie: I don't know, could you explain it?
[04:34] <sproingie> er
[04:34] <sproingie> anyway, ask da bot
[04:34] <Chaotic_Shield> crap
[04:34] <Chaotic_Shield> FL no workies.
[04:34] <Chaotic_Shield> Oh well
[04:34] <Chaotic_Shield> guess Windows stays then.
[04:35] <ortox> put the script in terminal?
[04:35] <TenPlus1> Does anyone know of a step-by-step idiot's guide to sharing an internet connection through an ad-hoc wireless system ???
[04:35] <ekimus> when remastering the live disc what stuff can i clean up to free some space.
[04:35] <rts23> i've installed the debian packages for quake2 and quake2-data, but the game doesn't start, anyone got any ideas?
[04:35] <TheSin> morning gents
[04:36] <ortox> bye giuys
[04:36] <thoreauputic> ortox: you can run the script from a terminal with sh scriptname (unless it is python or something )
[04:38] <jowi> rts23, you also need the original game
[04:38] <sproingie> jowi: there's free data you can download.  it's not that good, but it works
[04:38] <BB> Hi Regeya
[04:38] <jowi> sproingie, i have not tried those
[04:39] <rts23> jowi, i have it, it's all installed, but oddly the process seems to crash while loading the sound driver
[04:39] <sproingie> rts23: did you download any of the free data?  all quake2-data does is point quake2 at the data you have
[04:39] <sproingie> rts23: killall esd and try again
[04:39] <jowi> rts23, oh that's a different problem then. killall esd
[04:39] <thoreauputic> rts23: run killall esd before launching it
[04:39] <jowi> sproingie, beet me to it :-)
[04:39] <rts23> thanks folks, will try!
[04:39] <jowi> beet=beat
[04:39] <randy> Hello All.
[04:39] <sproingie> it's a rarity.  what is it with esd anyway?
[04:40] <Whistler> how do i enable bigger resoliution?
[04:40] <Whistler> in xorg.conf?
[04:40] <sproingie> i hate to slag off raster, but it seems gnome should get busy dumping *all* his stuff
[04:40] <thoreauputic> sproingie: some apps (games in particular) don't understand esd
[04:40] <randy> What state is the Breezy at these days.  I'm thinking of trying today's daily build.
[04:40] <jowi> esd is good but it does  conflict with million sound progs
[04:40] <jowi> skype hate esd as well :-)
[04:40] <thoreauputic> randy:  /topic
[04:41] <regeya> wait wait wait...someone thinks esd is raster's?
[04:41] <sproingie> thoreauputic: it seems most don't.  that esd interferes so badly with so many things and has no bypass mechanism is the problem
[04:41] <sproingie> regeya: enlightened ... i assumed
[04:41] <regeya> do your homework, kiddo...
[04:41] <thoreauputic> sproingie: agreed - I use dmix and disable esd totally
[04:41] <regeya> esd was originally written by an enlightenment zealot iirc
[04:41] <Simonth> Whistler, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:42] <sproingie> so much out of enlightenment is full of bling, but as stable as jello
[04:42] <jowi> regeya, esd is still in use for e17
[04:42] <regeya> you know those enlightenment zealots--all cycles must be devoted to candy
[04:42] <sproingie> actually enlightenment does a gread job with those cycles.  very fast code
[04:42] <sproingie> of course it leaks memory like a sieve
[04:42] <jowi> regeya, you should try e17. it is amazing and use no hw accel
[04:43] <sproingie> jowi: last i looked, e17 didnt even alt-tab
[04:43] <regeya> I used an earlier e17, though iirc it's been rewritten since then
[04:43] <regeya> I gave up years ago on enlightenment.
[04:43] <regeya> raster has some awwesome ideas though.
[04:43] <jowi> regeya, installed the latest cvs two weeks ago. they have great ideas. i hope they will succees within my lifetime
[04:43] <jowi> regeya, haha, yea
[04:44] <sproingie> i doubt it.  fast code does not always mean good code
[04:44] <regeya> spoken like a CS major.
[04:44] <sproingie> spoken like someone who doesn't like memory leaks
[04:44] <regeya> heh
[04:44] <regeya> true
[04:45] <jowi> but its a neat project though
[04:45] <regeya> please understand; my prejudices are thanks to meeting people who can look at code that doesn't leak, runs fast as all get-out, works fine, yet isn't good code because it isn't elegant.
[04:45] <regeya> sorry if I jumped to the wrong conclusion. :-}
[04:46] <thoreauputic> regeya: elegance is old-school these days ;)
[04:46] <thoreauputic> *g*
[04:47] <jowi> thoreauputic, brute-force is more fun
[04:47] <sproingie> regeya: i like elegance too, and tend to slow down my own code for it
[04:48] <sproingie> regeya: i recognize that real world code is usually ugly
[04:48] <sproingie> mostly because system interfaces are ugly, and they're ugly because OS's are ugly
[04:48] <sproingie> and OS's are ugly because hardware is ugly
[04:48] <wolverian> except Apple. :)
[04:49] <sproingie> naw, they're a pretty face on ugly hardware
[04:49] <sproingie> lisp machines had some fairly non-ugly hardware.  pointer tagging ferinstance
[04:49] <sproingie> but the rest of 'em ... uuuuugly
[04:49] <Jay_uk> hi guys
[04:51] <DVSoftware> hmm... my laptop isn't ugly
[04:52] <jowi> DVSoftware, mine is (Gericom thing. never heard of them before it was bought) :)
[04:52] <sproingie> ugly isn't about looks, it's about function
[04:53] <sproingie> hardware is usually a pile of hack upon hack, done to keep costs down
[04:54] <DVSoftware> jowi, hp compaq nx9105 (amd64) here, bought it yesterday
[04:54] <Seveas> hp laptopc are nice
[04:54] <jowi> amd64 LAPTOP?
[04:54] <thoreauputic> sproingie: on the other hand, an errorless hard drive would cost thousands...
[04:54] <rob> Hello all
[04:54] <jowi> DVSoftware, i'm impressed
[04:55] <jowi> hi rob
[04:55] <DVSoftware> jowi, yeah
[04:56] <sproingie> thoreauputic: actually it'd be nearly impossible.  spinning plates of metal is kinda grungy tech when you get down to it
[04:56] <teferi> morning all...anyone know what the magic incantation to pass to the kernel to enable inotify is? it seems to not be just "inotify" anymore... (breezy, the latest 2.6.12-6 kernel)
[04:56] <DVSoftware> cool and quiet technology
[04:56] <sproingie> thoreauputic: if it were all solid state tho, it'd cost piles of money
[04:57] <rob> I have a problem with my add/remove programs in system tools.  When I start it all it does is sit there with a busy icon.  Any suggestions I looked at the guides and the net and have not found anything on this problem.
[04:57] <teferi> it seems to be completely undocumented, as far as i can tell
[04:57] <DVSoftware> sproingie, it's not impossible, they just have to eliminate all moveable parts
[04:57] <_SWAT_> I used started using SCITE and wanted to tweak the colors. Now I edited the properties file, but it doesn't 'use' my colours. Any ideas?
[04:57] <DVSoftware> flash memory and such things
[04:58] <sproingie> DVSoftware: not that i'd call that a "drive" then
[04:58] <Whistler> grrr.
[04:58] <Whistler> bastard who told me to reconfigure xorg
[04:58] <sproingie> i guess drive will be one of those archaic words that sticks around after the technology goes away
[04:58] <Whistler> now my ati drives wont work
[04:58] <sproingie> kinda like how we still call memory "core"
[04:58] <BB> Is any one can help me. My mouse pointer doen'st stay at the same place it is hard to control and use
[04:58] <teferi> anyone?
[04:59] <_SWAT_> Whistler, just use the ATI installer/drivers from the site (www.ati.com) and then you follow the readme or something (it worked for me)
[04:59] <thoreauputic> _SWAT_: from memory, it has both global and per-user files for those things - I havn'e used it for a while but I seem to recall it has pretty comprehensive help
[04:59] <Whistler> _SWAT_ i had to reinstall kernel
[04:59] <Whistler> can anybody tell me where xorg conf is located/
[04:59] <_SWAT_> thoreauputic, it has. But I edit the config file (global properties) and then somehow they won't use the config :-s
[05:00] <Simonth> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:00] <Whistler> i am going to to this by hand
[05:00] <Whistler> thx
[05:00] <gregg_> Whistler: /etc/X11
[05:00] <thoreauputic> _SWAT_: hmm - don't know then
[05:00] <_SWAT_> Whistler, everytime you install another kernel you NEED to reinstall the graphics drivers (because they are plugged into the kernel)
[05:00] <gregg_> ATI drivers are teh crap, btw .)
[05:01] <DekaPink> Hey all~ It's me again... My Ubuntu is all fixed up good as new. :D Anyhoo... I was wondering if it really matters all that much if a CD doesn't fixate or whatever. :3
[05:01] <sproingie> ati drivers are fine for what they do ... which ain't that much
[05:01] <sproingie> they're stable these days tho
[05:01] <Whistler> 	BusID		"PCI:1:0:0"
[05:01] <_SWAT_> sproingie, they ARE stable, but that says it all
[05:01] <Whistler> can i change this to agp?
[05:01] <_SWAT_> performance-wise..... don't get me started
[05:02] <DekaPink> The ATI drivers didn't like me.
[05:02] <Derkommissar> For some reason gnome doesnt start for a user, i created a second user and i can log on to it with no problem,,,, when it dies it says something about the ICEauthority
[05:02] <sproingie> DekaPink: as i understand it, if you don't fixate a cdrw, the write doesn't take
[05:02] <Derkommissar> can anyone help me ?
[05:02] <gregg_> the DRI drivers are even better (performance) ;-)
[05:02] <lukus001> Can somone help me? I've had several files now that, when i ./configure and go to install it says "No targets specified and no makefile found". but there is
[05:02] <thoreauputic> Derkommissar: blow the file away -  sudo rm ~/.ICEauthority
[05:02] <thoreauputic> Derkommissar: then login again
[05:02] <thoreauputic> Derkommissar: it regenerates
[05:03] <sproingie> gregg_: the ati drivers use DRI
[05:03] <LowBit> what is sudo?
[05:03] <adamb100> hello
[05:03] <thoreauputic> !sudo
[05:03] <DekaPink> sproingie: My CDs always seem to fail while fixating... and the CDs seem to work. ^^ I just don't know what to do about it. Hehe.
[05:03] <ubotu> sudo is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:03] <rob> Problem with add/remove applications.  anybody able to help?
[05:03] <LowBit> cheer
[05:03] <gregg_> sproingie: i'm talking about the OSS drivers
[05:03] <sproingie> gregg_: the r300 driver?  that gotten usable yet?
[05:04] <adamb100> I kinda broke Ubuntu when I installed a new kernel.  It freezes after the gnome splash
[05:04] <lukus001> Can somone help me please? i've downloaded several file now and i cant exicute "make" in the consol because ./configure isnt create any makefile?
[05:04] <gregg_> sproingie: I've heard it's half as fast as the driver from ATI
[05:04] <sproingie> gregg_: that sounds pretty slow still
[05:05] <Whistler> http://pastebin.com/329240
[05:05] <sproingie> gregg_: good to know there's alternatives tho
[05:05] <Whistler> any ideas how to make ati work again?
[05:05] <thoreauputic> lukus001: have you installed build-essential ?
[05:05] <lukus001> thoreuptic sudo apt-get install build-essential ? ill go test
[05:05] <LowBit> *cheers
[05:06] <Oniano|iBook> any gnome experts here?
[05:06] <Oniano|iBook> got a little startup problem
[05:06] <lukus001> thoreuputic: build-essential is already the newest version.
[05:06] <Oniano|iBook> whenever gnome starts-up, post startup scripts stage
[05:06] <Oniano|iBook> nautilus and gnome-panel just keep quiting
[05:06] <thoreauputic> lukus001: OK - just checking
[05:07] <Oniano|iBook> can anybody tell me where to look for errors?
[05:07] <shawarma> Oniano|iBook: $HOME/.xsession-errors perhaps
[05:07] <thoreauputic> lukewarm: does ./configure complete without errors?
[05:07] <Oniano|iBook> shawarma, cheers
[05:07] <rob> I am having problems with add/remove applications.  ANyone able to help or point me in the right direction?
[05:07] <shawarma> rob: Define problems.
[05:08] <Oniano|iBook> "** (gnome-cups-icon:14178): WARNING **: failed request with status 1030"
[05:08] <thoreauputic> lukus001: sorry that post @ lukewarm was for you
[05:08] <Oniano|iBook> shawarma, any ideas?
[05:08] <lukus001> thoreuputic: ./configure seam flawless if you meant that to me (you saod lukewarm) lol
[05:08] <thoreauputic> lukus001: lazy tab-complete ;)
[05:09] <rob> When I start the application it normally complies a list of applications and you wait witha busy pointer.  However now when I start it all it does is sit with a busy pointer and dose not display a list.
[05:09] <Kyral> You know you use the console too much when you try to tab complete everywhere
[05:09] <thoreauputic> apologies to lukewarm , wherever you are
[05:10] <thoreauputic> Kyral: I try to tab-complete entries at bank teller machines ;)
[05:10] <lukus001> thoreuputic: well i cant see any errors, but when its "checking for" <somthing> a lot come up as no
[05:10] <shawarma> Oniano|iBook: Have you rebooted since the problem started?
[05:10] <Kyral> thoreauputic, lol
[05:10] <TheSin> Sweet Jtunes4 works for playing itunes shares on ubuntu
[05:10] <TheSin> thanks to all that helped me getting it running
[05:10] <thoreauputic> Kyral: I think I need counselling...
[05:11] <Kyral> lukus001, its normal
[05:11] <lukus001> Kyral: but it's not making a "makefile" for me
[05:11] <Kyral> oh..
[05:11] <Kyral> then its getting a critical error
[05:11] <Kyral> WTF are you trying to compile anyway?
[05:12] <lukus001> kyral: unoffical version of crystal space ver0.99
[05:12] <lukus001> done it in debug mode "config.status: WARNING: failed to create makefile emulation layer
[05:12] <lukus001> "
[05:12] <Oniano|iBook> shawarma, is the fact i'm using kernel 2.4 a problem,?
[05:12] <Kyral> ain't that for PlaneShift?
[05:13] <shawarma> Oniano|iBook: Hmm... Maybe. Why are you using 2.4?
[05:13] <lukus001> kyral: yes, im trying to build it from CVS kinda... so i can play... they upgraded but no linux install yet only windows
[05:13] <Oniano|iBook> shawarma, because i started off with a debian base
[05:13] <Oniano|iBook> then dist-upgraded
[05:14] <thoreauputic> Oniano|iBook: ubuntu uses all kinds of 2.6 features - I don't think 2.4 will cut it
[05:14] <shawarma> Oniano|iBook: Oh. That was a pretty valuable piece of information.
[05:14] <Kyral> lukus001, ick CVS
[05:14] <Kyral> that stuff is bleeding edge
[05:14] <lukus001> bleeding edge? yes?
[05:14] <Oniano|iBook> shawarma, ubuntu installer disk has a problem with my SATA
[05:14] <Oniano|iBook> installer just hangs
[05:14] <thoreauputic> Oniano|iBook: apt-cache search linux-image  << choose one for your CPU
[05:14] <shawarma> Oniano|iBook: You could go ahead and upgrade to 2.6 and see if it solves it.
[05:14] <Kyral> lukus001, you know what bleeding edge is, right?
[05:14] <Seveas> Oniano|iBook, kernel 2.4 will NOT work with ubuntu
[05:14] <Oniano|iBook> ok, i'll see if their 2.6 images will work
[05:15] <Oniano|iBook> Seveas, cheers
[05:15] <lukus001> kyral: im just trying to get the game to run lol... so no... somone said to get the 0.99 ver of crystal space.. and that seam to have had it
[05:15] <lukus001> kryal: i though bleeding edge is just a code name for a devlopment files?
[05:16] <deFrysk> bluding edge , cutting edge etc
[05:16] <Kyral> its a general term that means the most experimental version of something
[05:16] <deFrysk> bleeding*
[05:16] <thoreauputic> lukus001: it means if it breaks you get to keep both pieces ;)
[05:16] <lukus001> Kryal: yes, i asumed it was a nice firendly unstabl ver
[05:17] <Whistler> how do i rename file in terminall?
[05:17] <Whistler> rn?
[05:17] <Kyral> Whistler, mv
[05:17] <thoreauputic> Whistler: mv file newname
[05:17] <thoreauputic> Whistler: ie. mv olfilename newfilename
[05:17] <[Spooky] > man im having trouble in mounting a cd-r... i use "sudo mount -t iso9660 /media/cdrom0" am i doing it wrong ?
[05:17] <Kyral> lukus001, if its CVS, there are gonna be problems I'd say 40% of the time
[05:19] <lukus001> Kryal, but i can play the game... so the CVS ver till the offical comes out is better? i dont understand why i would need the bleeding edge ver of crystal space though...? shouldnt it run on the old one providing i have planeshift's CVS files to compile?
[05:19] <DVSoftware> i have two ubuntu machines, and i would like to share data between them
[05:19] <lukus001> cant play the game sorry*
[05:19] <DVSoftware> how can i do this with samba
[05:19] <[Spooky] > anyone ?
[05:20] <thoreauputic> !samba
[05:20] <ubotu> it has been said that samba is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[05:21] <tombs> hi ppl
[05:21] <thoreauputic> [Spooky] : normally you should be able to mount a CD with just  mount /media/cdrom0  (if that's the mount point defined in /etc/fstab)
[05:22] <thoreauputic> [Spooky] : you aren't trying to mount a music CD, are you?
[05:23] <lukus001> If i download a CVS though, in the consol with CVS like directed on sourcefordge... how do you install the downloaded CVS? wheres the directory exactly? <lol>
[05:23] <[Spooky] > thoreauputic: no, its a "overburned" cd-r
[05:24] <DVSoftware> [Spooky] , what is the error message?
[05:24] <[Spooky] > thoreauputic: with just mount /media/cdrom0 i get wrongs FS type...
[05:25] <thoreauputic> [Spooky] : is it an ISO ? or a straight data CD or what?
[05:25] <din> man, ubuntu is being jumpy
[05:25] <[Spooky] > thoreauputic: a data cd
[05:26] <Oniano|iBook> Seveas, ok, i've got my 2.6 kernel...now it just hangs the bloody system!
[05:26] <din> every time my cpu goes to 100%, my mouse freezes for a bit
[05:26] <Oniano|iBook> doesn't respond to pings or anything
[05:26] <din> anyone have any ideas?
[05:26] <deFrysk> din, try not to use java apps
[05:26] <thoreauputic> [Spooky] : have you been able to see the contents before? Are you sure the burn isn't "bad" ?
[05:27] <[Spooky] > thoreauputic: yep have used the cd before... how can i check the cd ?
[05:27] <din> deFrysk, well i am running azureus
[05:28] <tabasco> din, you could just let it sit for a while running top and see what app is taking your resources.
[05:28] <deFrysk> din, I rest my case
[05:28] <thoreauputic> [Spooky] : if you've been able to mount that CD with that data before , it's a mystery to me...
[05:29] <Seveas> Oniano|iBook, from which debian did you upgrade?
[05:29] <Seveas> and did you install ubuntu-desktop?
[05:29] <din> deFrysk, i closed azureus and it still happens
[05:29] <din> heh
[05:30] <deFrysk> closed as in shutted down din ?
[05:30] <[Spooky] > thoreauputic: can it be because its overburned ?
[05:30] <deFrysk> or just went to your taskbar ?
[05:30] <din> deFrysk, yes, as in java is not still running.. i'm no noob :)
[05:30] <deFrysk> din, ok :)
[05:30] <din> i think maybe it's my kernel version
[05:31] <deFrysk> din, have you checked top ?
[05:31] <thoreauputic> [Spooky] : as i said, if you have mounted it successfully since the burn, the burn isn't the problem: if not, then yes, quite possibly the burn is the issue
[05:31] <din> yes, it's running right now
[05:31] <deFrysk> well it should tell u what uses the most resources
[05:31] <din> i know this...
[05:32] <troglodyt> din i used to get the same sorta thing.. after running limewire... there appears to be a bit of a bug with the java.. i had to ps x and kill -9 anythning that had to do with java
[05:32] <din> my problem is that when i open a prog or a new tab in firefox or anything that takes processing power to 100% for a second, my mouse freezes for a bit, and it's getting very annoying
[05:32] <din> troglodyt, it's not java
[05:33] <deFrysk> din, do you have any not ubuntu software installed ?
[05:33] <din> shit, boss is calling, brb
[05:33] <jmanns> i have a question about running crossover office by codeweavers in kde?  i can see the windows apps but i don't see the program itself on the menu.  how do i get it back?
[05:34] <Oniano|iBook> Seveas, it was sarge
[05:35] <Oniano|iBook> so hardly any downgrading
[05:35] <Oniano|iBook> gah, i read in one of the forums
[05:35] <Oniano|iBook> to set NoAccel
[05:35] <Oniano|iBook> for my ati driver
[05:35] <Oniano|iBook> that doesn't work either
[05:37] <BTJustice> By default, where does Kmail save e-mail at?
[05:37] <necrogami> what is the command for version
[05:37] <necrogami> is it /proc/version?
[05:37] <Madpilot> necrogami: uname -a  ?
[05:37] <necrogami> no
[05:37] <necrogami> thats not the one im looking for
[05:37] <thoreauputic> necrogami: version of what?
[05:37] <thoreauputic> cat /etc/issue ?
[05:37] <necrogami> debian and linux kernel
[05:38] <DVSoftware> BTJustice, i think ~/.kde/apps/kmail
[05:38] <necrogami> cat /proc/version
[05:38] <DVSoftware> something like that
[05:38] <necrogami> thats what i was looking for
[05:38] <Madpilot> necrogami: uname -a will tell you that
[05:38] <Madpilot> uname -a for me = "Linux warbard 2.6.10-5-k7 #1 Fri Jun 24 18:51:20 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux"
[05:39] <Madpilot> anyway, bbl
[05:39] <BTJustice> DVSoftware:  Says directory doesn;t exist.
[05:40] <DVSoftware> then try ~/Mail
[05:40] <DVSoftware> ~is your home dir
[05:41] <BTJustice> No such directory.
[05:42] <thoreauputic> BTJustice: ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail
[05:42] <thoreauputic> BTJustice: several dirs in there - have a look
[05:43] <deprave> oops
[05:43] <thoreauputic> deprave: oops indeed :/
[05:43] <deFrysk> deprave, tsk
[05:43] <jowi> deprave, PONG!
[05:43] <jowi> :-)
[05:43] <BTJustice> I paste that in root terminal and it goes no where.  I am a n00b.  What I am doing wrong?
[05:43] <deFrysk> :D
[05:44] <thoreauputic> BTJustice:  cd ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail  the type ls
[05:44] <thoreauputic> *s/the/then
[05:45] <seife> man
[05:45] <seife> WT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:45] <seife> this happened to my twice
[05:45] <BTJustice> Ok, I am there thanks, but there is nothing in the INbox folder.
[05:45] <thoreauputic> BTJustice: and don't get in the habit of using a root terminal - just use konsole or whatever as user
[05:45] <seife> the ubuntu iso i386 download just had gotten stuck twice in like 500mb or something :@
[05:45] <apokryphos> BTJustice: are you looking for your mails?
[05:45] <BTJustice> yes
[05:46] <BTJustice> I want to back them up
[05:46] <apokryphos> BTJustice: ~/Mail
[05:46] <thoreauputic> BTJustice: erm - are you running as root?
[05:46] <thoreauputic> BTJustice: if you are you are looking in roots inbox
[05:46] <BTJustice> no I don' think so
[05:47] <thoreauputic> BTJustice: you said you were using the root terminal...
[05:47] <apokryphos> BTJustice: see help:kmail on how to appropriately backup your stuff
[05:47] <Slipaway172> anybody want a gmail account? just open a chat dialogue and wait for a url
[05:47] <apokryphos> Slipaway172: they're free and accessible to everyone now
[05:47] <deFrysk> Slipaway172, geez
[05:48] <thoreauputic> Slipaway172: do you think people are naive ?
[05:48] <Slipaway172> no it is not
[05:48] <apokryphos> Slipaway172: yes, it is.
[05:48] <Slipaway172> ?
[05:48] <apokryphos> Sign up for a Google Account -- free GMail account.
[05:49] <Slipaway172> where
[05:49] <deFrysk> is this a gmail chat now ?
[05:49] <bahan> Hello, I am having a hard time installing  this OS, I downloaded the Intel X86 Install CD, burnt the contents of the zip file, attempted boot and nothing happens. What's up?
[05:49] <apokryphos> Slipaway172: where what? Use Google.
[05:49] <concept10> bahan, did you burn as a .iso?
[05:49] <jowi> bahan, you should download the .iso, not a .zip
[05:49] <DVSoftware> bahan, zip file?
[05:50] <Slipaway172> How do I sign up? When can I get a Gmail account?
[05:50] <Slipaway172> We're currently only offering Gmail as part of a preview release and limited test. We don't have details on when Gmail will be made more widely available, as that depends in part on the results of the test.
[05:50] <Slipaway172> see
[05:50] <bahan> hold on
[05:50] <deFrysk> Slipaway172, who cares
[05:50] <thoreauputic> bahan: it's an ISO file - what did you download?
[05:50] <capisce> how can I set opera instead of firefox as the default web browser?
[05:50] <bahan> someone wants gmail i can help
[05:50] <Slipaway172> but oh well i got free ones avaiablr
[05:50] <kaffeend> can anyone tell me why, when I try to change Firefox's theme it freezes?
[05:50] <apokryphos> Slipaway172: let them say what they want -- at the moment, absolutely anyone can get an account by signing up for a Google Account, which is free and accessible to everyone
[05:50] <DVSoftware> Slipaway172, pm me your email addres
[05:50] <BTJustice> Folder=.inbox.directory/BTJustice@gimp.com
[05:50] <BTJustice> ???
[05:50] <DVSoftware> i will send you invite
[05:51] <BTJustice> Where is that at?
[05:51] <Slipaway172> why
[05:51] <Slipaway172> i have one
[05:51] <DVSoftware> for gmail account
[05:51] <apokryphos> BTJustice: you trying to back them up still? Why haven't you read the Handbook?
[05:51] <DVSoftware> hm
[05:51] <BTJustice> I jst did on the part where messages are stored.
[05:51] <kaffeend> I also have plenty of invites to give away for gmail if anyone wants one
[05:52] <DVSoftware> Slipaway172 How do I sign up? When can I get a Gmail account?
[05:52] <asfra> Did anybody have trouble with skype after install? I can't call anybody, I cant hear it dialing, and I cant close the 'ongoing call'.. Does anyone have a trick? thanks...
[05:52] <BTJustice> But I have no idea where ".inbox.directory" is.
[05:52] <bahan> Damn, I did not look at the file first, Winrar opened the file auto and exteacted the contents.
[05:52] <apokryphos> BTJustice: help:/kmail/faq.html#id2601967
[05:52] <Slipaway172> DVSoftware, u make no sence
[05:52] <sidolin> hi
[05:52] <thoreauputic> asfra: probably a problem with esd sound - try killall esd before starting it
[05:52] <Slipaway172> http://mail.google.com/mail/a-31bdf7b32e-57cb40bc64-3e698b0393
[05:52] <Slipaway172> there
[05:52] <acid2> Hi, does anyone know any software for linux that teaches 10 finger typing?
[05:53] <apokryphos> acid2: KTouch
[05:53] <DVSoftware> Slipaway172, that is what you said
[05:53] <mjr> acid2, gtypist, for the terminal
[05:53] <sidolin> is there any way to boot a ubuntu dvd over pxe?
[05:53] <deFrysk> acid2, gtypist I believe
[05:53] <thoreauputic> or tuxtype
[05:53] <apokryphos> acid2: the best way to learn to touch type is to do just this, though: (i) use the correct fingers for the correct keys, (ii) bring your fingers back once you hit each key, (iii) *always* use this method, and never revert despite it being unbelievably slow at first
[05:53] <acid2> cool, ill give all of those a try
[05:53] <acid2> thank you :)
[05:54] <sidolin> i managed to get a netinstaller booting, but i want to get the dvd booting...
[05:54] <acid2> apokryphos: well yea - but I need to actyually learn which finger goes where ^_^
[05:54] <apokryphos> acid2: and finally, (iv) look at the keys all the time at the beginning. Don't worry about typing without looking at the keys -- that comes without you knowing. These points, and you have it.
[05:54] <sidolin> i dont have a dvd drive in my laptop...
[05:54] <bahan> Thanks apokryphos: I just realized the error.
[05:55] <acid2> apokryphos: cool, thanks for those tips :)
[05:55] <BTJustice> On 6.14... "... start KMail will use /home/username/.mail instead of /home/username/Mail"  What the hell difference does that make???
[05:55] <apokryphos> acid2: Sure. I just meant that a lot of the time these typing programs can be useless/annoying. All you need is practice.
[05:55] <acid2> apokryphos: ah, I just want to make it fun while I start
[05:55] <acid2> I mean, coding, or on irc - I just wanna get what im thinking down
[05:55] <apokryphos> acid2: which finger to use is pretty basic; two index fingers on F and J respectively. Some are questoinable, but the proper method you can find out from the Internet, for sure.
[05:56] <apokryphos> acid2: I know, but it'll likely be slightly annoying/dull at first -- seems so slow. That's why so many people don't get into it; they can't get past the first stage. :|
[05:56] <asfra> thoreauputic: I did the 'killall esd' but now skype doesn't start. Do I have to start esd again,  and in that case how?
[05:57] <BTJustice> I don't know why this has to be so hard.  I just want to backup my e-mail by finding the folders where ALL the messages are saved to.
[05:57] <thoreauputic> asfra: hmm... you can start esd with " esd & "
[05:57] <apokryphos> BTJustice: I already told you. ~/Mail
[05:57] <thoreauputic> asfra: but I hear skype doesn't like esd
[05:58] <kaffeend> !mp3
[05:58] <Code_Dark> Winamp not Running
[05:58] <ubotu> somebody said mp3 was read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[05:58] <thoreauputic> asfra: I use dmix here
[05:58] <BTJustice> Instead, the damn manula has these 'fake' directories in it.  Why doesn't save e-mail the the user HOME directory by default?
[05:58] <apokryphos> BTJustice: it does
[05:58] <BTJustice> The file or folder ~/Mail does not exist.
[05:58] <asfra> thoreauputic: Is dmix a replacement for skype or esd?
[05:59] <apokryphos> BTJustice: /home/yourusername/Mail does not exist? Are you *sure*?
[05:59] <parmenion> BTJustice: .evolution/mail
[05:59] <apokryphos> BTJustice: then you're definitely not using KMail..
[05:59] <thoreauputic> BTJustice: I strongly suspect you were in the root terminal and therefore looking in the wrong place ( ie /root )
[05:59] <thoreauputic> asfra: esd
[06:00] <asfra> thoreauputic: by the way, skype still doesn't start :( thanks for trying to help anyway...
[06:00] <apokryphos> BTJustice: type whoami in Terminal
[06:00] <BTJustice> /home/BTJustice on has "Desktop" and "wireless.log".  NOTHING else.
[06:00] <asfra> thoreauputic: ok, I will google it...
[06:00] <DVSoftware> f*ckin' rain
[06:00] <DVSoftware> my wireless connection doesn't like rain
[06:00] <thoreauputic> asfra: try  ps aux | grep skype to see if it isn't quite dead ;)
[06:00] <DVSoftware> BTJustice,
[06:01] <apokryphos> BTJustice: are you sure you have KMail up-and-running?
[06:01] <DVSoftware> turn on displaying hidden files
[06:01] <BTJustice> Yes, with Kontact
[06:01] <apokryphos> I find that very hard to believe. KMail stores emails in ~/Mail
[06:01] <BTJustice> That did it.  They were hidden.
[06:01] <DVSoftware> yourhomedir/.kde/share/apps/kmail
[06:01] <BTJustice> Why though?
[06:01] <kaffeend> !java
[06:01] <ubotu> I heard java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[06:01] <DVSoftware> it should bi there
[06:01] <DVSoftware> be*
[06:01] <BTJustice> That did it.  They were hidden.  Why though???
[06:02] <apokryphos> DVSoftware: it doesn't store them there
[06:02] <DVSoftware> apokryphos, it stored them there on my machine
[06:02] <apokryphos> :|
[06:02] <spanglesontoast> what can I use bochs for?
[06:03] <spanglesontoast> !bochs
[06:03] <ubotu> spanglesontoast: I don't know, could you explain it?
[06:03] <parmenion> BTJustice: all files starting by . are hidden by default, you can either unhide them in the file manager or type ls -a at command prompt
[06:03] <BTJustice> Why would directoriesd be hidden?  That's silly unless they are system critical files.
[06:03] <parmenion> they are usually configuration files for apps
[06:03] <samu> any idea what would suddenly cause pgup and pgdown to stop working in firefox?
[06:03] <BTJustice> I didn;t know that.  So anything with ~/. is hidden?
[06:03] <thoreauputic> BTJustice: you like your home dir to be littered with dot files?
[06:03] <bcanon> Anyone know of a good doc for printing to a network printer from an ubuntu workstation?
[06:04] <apokryphos> BTJustice: anything with a dot in front of it is hidden, yes.
[06:04] <kaffeend> can some1 plz tell me how to get jre 1.5 without having to install from my cd?
[06:04] <BTJustice> So what is up with the ~/ then?
[06:04] <thoreauputic> !java
[06:04] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[06:04] <DVSoftware> BTJustice, all configuration files/dirs are hidden in user's home dir
[06:04] <BTJustice> I am a n00b
[06:04] <zzyber> how can i split a avi file easy?
[06:04] <BTJustice> Been using Ubuntu for 2 days
[06:04] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: make sure you read the guide linked from there to get hoary-extras
[06:04] <socomm> Dot files are hidden.
[06:05] <kaffeend> thoreauputic I just did that :P and it wants me to install off cd dude
[06:05] <BTJustice> So what is up with the "~/" then?
[06:05] <jowi> BTJustice, ~/ is a shortcut for /home/yourname
[06:05] <kaffeend> need cd
[06:05] <BTJustice> What does it mean?
[06:05] <BTJustice> AH!
[06:05] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: then comment out hte CD line in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:05] <socomm> ~ is short hand for /home/<user>
[06:05] <kaffeend> how?
[06:05] <socomm> Where <user> is the current users nick.
[06:05] <kaffeend> comment out?
[06:05] <zzyber> i want to split a avi file to fit a cd but what software can i use?
[06:05] <asfra> thoreauputic: linux makes me feel stupid sometimes.. I'm not capable of understanding the message, anyway 1.line : jan 8558 1.1 6.4 61352 16324 ? Sl 17:44 =:11 skype; 2.line root 8851 1.0 0.2 3172 732 pts/0 S+ 18:00 0:00 grep skype
[06:05] <BTJustice> So ~/.kde really means /home/btjustce/kde ?
[06:05] <parmenion> BTJustice: you should some beginners guide to linux, this is all very standard stuff
[06:06] <BTJustice> on my system
[06:06] <deFrysk> kaffeend, # is comment out
[06:06] <socomm> BTJustice: Yes, don't forget the dot.
[06:06] <BTJustice> I have a nerd who helps me, lol.
[06:06] <bcanon> Anyone know what printing subsystem ubuntu uses by default? Is it CUPS?
[06:06] <apokryphos> BTJustice, DVSoftware: I see the default location for it has changed, but for users who upgrade KMail it will still use the same location. I imagine it changed recently
[06:06] <kaffeend> deFrysk um, and where pray tell does it go?
[06:06] <thoreauputic> asfra: :) try pkill skype (easier)
[06:06] <zzyber> lets have a uptime on desktop competition
[06:06] <ekimus> BTJustice: ~/.kde == $HOME/.kde == /home/btjustce/.kde in your case
[06:07] <BTJustice> ah!
[06:07] <socomm> How about a competition that requires actual skills?
[06:07] <thoreauputic> asfra: else do " kill 8558 "  ( that's the process ID)
[06:07] <deFrysk> kaffeend, you have to put a # in front of the first line in /etc/apt/sources.list to comment the cd line out
[06:07] <asfra> ok, skype started after pkill
[06:07] <kaffeend> deFrysk okay - thanks bud
[06:07] <BTJustice> Alright, I will admit my stupidity, what is a good guide that is easy and enjoyable to read about beginners on Linux?
[06:08] <BTJustice> Not too technical unless it has to be
[06:08] <thoreauputic> asfra: sometimes when something goes wrong the app is still kind of running - so killing it fixes the problem
[06:08] <ekimus> BTJustice: just work with it and if you have a certain problem try to solve exactly that problem.
[06:08] <BTJustice> That's why I came here.  That and my nerd is at work.
[06:08] <asfra> thoreauputic: ok, I see...
[06:09] <ekimus> BTJustice: and the 'not to technical guide to linux' is imho www.google.com
[06:09] <thoreauputic> BTJustice: a good intro to the comand line is http://tuxfiles.org
[06:09] <jowi> BTJustice, open this file in your webbrowser: /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-quickguide/html/index.html
[06:09] <socomm> ekimus: google.com/linux
[06:10] <jowi> BTJustice, that covers the desktop at least
[06:10] <kaffeend> Invalid operation installation
[06:10] <zzyber> my desktop has been online 19 days
[06:10] <kaffeend> hmmm
[06:11] <kaffeend> zzyber are you a gamer?
[06:11] <BTJustice> COOL!  Thank you all for the help!  A poor dumbass and n00b to Linux like me appreciates it.
[06:11] <zzyber> kaffeend, no no
[06:11] <kaffeend> you should be
[06:11] <kaffeend> :P
[06:11] <jowi> BTJustice, you'll pick this up quick
[06:11] <asfra> thoreauputic: of course it still doesn't work.. It seems weird to me that a sound problem should make it impossible to hang up an attemp to call out.. but I don't doubt it :) is it difficult to get dmix running instead? I didnt find anything about sound in the preferences
[06:11] <jowi> BTJustice, but it takes some time to remember it all. practice makes perfect
[06:11] <kaffeend> BTJustice if you pick this up quick you're a better man (or woman?) than I am!
[06:12] <zzyber> kaffeend, on a ubuntu?? I dont think so.......or maybe a solitare addicted can play on a linux machine
[06:12] <jowi> gotto go. take care all
[06:12] <thoreauputic> asfra: I was just guessing about esd - there might be other reasons why skype won't work
[06:12] <BTJustice> One last questions,  I use to be able to adjust my clock by rigfht-clicking once on it then left-clicking on Adjust Date & Time.  I entered my password and there I was.  Now, after I enter my password, nothing happens.  THe clock never opens.  Why might htat be?
[06:12] <jowi> asfra, it IS a sound problem
[06:12] <kaffeend> zzyber don't talk like that! I'm hoping to be playing soon :s
[06:13] <thoreauputic> asfra: did you install it from a .deb file? Or how?
[06:13] <BTJustice> lol, I will make some coffee and start reading
[06:13] <jowi> asfra: do this: in a terminal: killall esd
[06:13] <thoreauputic> jowi: we've been there
[06:13] <asfra> thoreauputic: yes, it could be.. I installed it by the directions in ubuntuguide.com.. should I do an uinstall and and a new install?
[06:13] <zzyber> kaffeend, truly......me too but as long as every company out there continue to write games for windows we will be out of games
[06:14] <jowi> thoreauputic, turned off the soundserver at start and enabled alsasink?
[06:14] <kaffeend> not with cedega tho?
[06:14] <asfra> jowi: I already tryed that, but it still dont work
[06:14] <thoreauputic> jowi: you might be in a better position to help - I don't use esd at all ( changed to dmix)
[06:14] <zzyber> kaffeend, cedega, yes some games but its a lot of trouble trying to play "good" games
[06:14] <jowi> asfra, ok. it solved it for me though. skype hung at all outgoing calls.
[06:15] <kaffeend> like FarCry?
[06:15] <jowi> asfra, just double check a few things:
[06:15] <Chaotic_Shield> I hate you Linksys.
[06:15] <Linksys> Me too, loser.
[06:15] <Linksys> ;)
[06:15] <BTJustice> I'd kill if GTA San Andreas worked in Linux.
[06:16] <asfra> jowi: yes...
[06:16] <jowi> asfra, must start gnome first
[06:16] <asfra> by the way thanks for all the help we n00bs get here, it's really invaluable! :-)
[06:16] <kaffeend> I just got San Andreas too :(
[06:16] <BTJustice> One last question,  I use to be able to adjust my clock by right-clicking once on it then left-clicking on Adjust Date & Time.  I entered my password and there I was.  Now, after I enter my password, nothing happens.  The clock never opens.  Why might that be?
[06:16] <BTJustice> I am playing it again on my PC with the Hot Coffee mod.
[06:17] <kaffeend> !clock
[06:17] <jowi> asfra, gnome -> system -> prefs -> Multimedia system selector: Default output sink = alsa
[06:17] <ubotu> kaffeend: Are you smoking crack?
[06:17] <kaffeend> hahaha
[06:17] <Chaotic_Shield> lol
[06:17] <Chaotic_Shield> pwned!
[06:17] <kaffeend> yes I am smoking crack - we all smoke crack
[06:18] <kaffeend> but we call it Krack
[06:18] <jowi> asfra, gnome -> system -> prefs -> sound: remove the tick for "Enable sound server startup"
[06:18] <Chaotic_Shield> bah.
[06:18] <kaffeend> listen to me... associating myself with all you bloody geeks! :P
[06:18] <Chaotic_Shield> Anyone want to help me with a networking issue?
[06:19] <kaffeend> Chaotic_Shield what's up and how can I help?
[06:19] <Chaotic_Shield> :)
[06:19] <Chaotic_Shield> The ceiling is up.
[06:20] <asfra> jowi: did that, however when I tried to test the sound after selecting alsa I got an error message.. I will try to start skype again now
[06:20] <kaffeend> Okay
[06:20] <kaffeend> go on
[06:20] <kaffeend> I'm all ears
[06:20] <Chaotic_Shield> And you can help me with trying to give my Wireless AP a static IP on my network without disabling DHCP for the rest of it
[06:21] <Chaotic_Shield> I have http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?childpagename=US%2FLayout&packedargs=page%3D2%26cid%3D1115416835852%26c%3DL_Content_C1&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper&SubmittedElement=Linksys%2FFormSubmit%2FProductDownloadSearch&sp_prodsku=1122062340941
[06:21] <Chaotic_Shield> sorry for the UGLY link.
[06:21] <kaffeend> good luck with that bud :P
[06:21] <BTJustice> I use to be able to adjust my clock by right-clicking once on it then left-clicking on Adjust Date & Time.  I entered my root password and there I was.  Now, after I enter my password, nothing happens.  The clock never opens.  Why might that be?
[06:21] <Chaotic_Shield> BTJustice, it doesn't lurb you?
[06:21] <Chaotic_Shield> :-P
[06:21] <BTJustice> No but it is off my 3 hours
[06:21] <BTJustice> *by
[06:21] <kaffeend> I don't think you can have a static IP with DHCP
[06:21] <kaffeend> how can you?
[06:21] <ptlo> you can
[06:21] <kaffeend> really?
[06:21] <ptlo> if you instruct dhcp server to give you the same ip every time
[06:21] <asfra> jowi: I did a pkillall esd, and pkill skype to get it started again.. I will try it now
[06:21] <hyphenated> kaffeend: you can assign the same IP to the same MAC
[06:22] <ptlo> (based on your mac)
[06:22] <kaffeend> hmmm...
[06:22] <hyphenated> instead of just declaring a pool of IPs and letting any MAC grab one
[06:22] <kaffeend> yah
[06:22] <jowi> asfra what error did you get?
[06:22] <asfra> jowi: damn you're good!! works like a charm! thanks
[06:22] <jowi> asfra, magic man
[06:23] <jowi> NOW i need to leave. take care all
[06:23] <kaffeend> cya jowi
[06:24] <Funraiser> is it possible to have two persons working on the same computer with Ubuntu (two keyboards and two screens ) at the same time?
[06:24] <kaffeend> !java
[06:24] <ubotu> I heard java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[06:24] <kaffeend> !mp3
[06:24] <ubotu> well, mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[06:24] <Code_Dark> Winamp not Running
[06:25] <asfra> jowi: however now xmms cant play my mp3. Xmms tells me that my sound card isn't correctly configured.. is that a preferences thing in xmms or something I have to change in my soundcard settings?
[06:25] <d_i> Hi Guys!
[06:25] <kaffeend> god I love tabs!
[06:25] <BTJustice> !clock
[06:25] <ubotu> BTJustice: I don't know
[06:25] <asfra> jowi: it also says that the correct output-plugin is chosen
[06:25] <kaffeend> is xmms any good?
[06:25] <shellhack> hello
[06:25] <d_i> Does ubuntu 5.04 come with NTFS Read support from the start or do you need to set it up ?
[06:25] <asfra> jowi: and that now other programs are blocking the soundcard
[06:26] <shellhack> someone help I dont know what is going on with my screen configuration
[06:26] <Chaotic_Shield> f00king hell.
[06:26] <kaffeend> what plays m p 3s out of the box?
[06:26] <nophix> d_i: it is supported
[06:26] <[XPD8] -ReDDoG-> d_i: it reads NTFS from the start
[06:26] <shellhack> someone help me
[06:26] <d_i> ok thanks :)
[06:26] <pfp> Funraiser: it should, just define two X servers in gdm
[06:26] <Chaotic_Shield> can anyone help me?
[06:26] <Funraiser> kaffeend, xine
[06:26] <d_i> Is it possible for Ubuntu to read/write to FAT32 ?
[06:26] <kaffeend> Funraiser thanks
[06:27] <nophix> d_i: of course! :)
[06:27] <d_i> ok, im a new ubuntu user then :D
[06:27] <Funraiser> pfp, and how can i connect two keyboards?
[06:27] <batma8> does anyon ehave a good NDISwrapper install help page?
[06:27] <kaffeend> d_i yes
[06:27] <d_i> gonna install it today :D
[06:27] <batma8> i found a good link..but its dead now
[06:27] <nophix> d_i: good luck
[06:27] <d_i> thx :)
[06:27] <asfra> jowi: fixed it in the preferences in xmms! thanks for the help!
[06:27] <nophix> :)
[06:27] <d_i> 5.04 is the new version right ?...
[06:27] <pfp> Funraiser: that's the part i'm not sure about :) probably one usb, one ps2, then separate configurations for the two x servers
[06:27] <nophix> yes
[06:27] <kaffeend> asfra jowi's been gone for a little while now I'm afraid
[06:27] <d_i> because i think i heard someone talk about something newer..
[06:28] <Chaotic_Shield> pdfs*
[06:28] <Funraiser> pfp, ohhh i see
[06:28] <holycow> hey guys, i added a new network card, usind dhcp, but now i get 'ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted' and on ifdown 'ifdown: couldn't read interfaces file "/etc/network/interfaces"'
[06:28] <The_Vox> d_i: breezy...but that's not out yet, it's unstable and, at the moment, pretty broken for most users
[06:28] <d_i> ok
[06:28] <holycow> does that even make sense? are there permissions on a per interface basis somewhere that i'm not aware of?
[06:28] <d_i> Well gonna try 5.04
[06:28] <asfra> kaffend: hmm, I hope he is ok :)
[06:28] <d_i> thanks again everyone :)
[06:28] <Chaotic_Shield> hmmm
[06:28] <Chaotic_Shield> anyone here good at networking? I have a quandry.
[06:29] <Chaotic_Shield> and my system is making beeping noises.
[06:29] <shellhack> help me I dont know how to change my screen resolution
[06:29] <Funraiser> pfp, thanks
[06:30] <pfp> Funraiser: good luck
[06:30] <Dr_Willis> Chaotic_Shield,  and why do you think tht has to do with networking?
[06:30] <Chaotic_Shield> shellhack, System->Preferences->Screen Resolution
[06:30] <Funraiser> pfp, well that's the end of that trial
[06:30] <Funraiser> :-)
[06:30] <Chaotic_Shield> Dr_Willis, because it was gaim making the beeping noises.
[06:30] <Chaotic_Shield> But I actually have a networking problem.
[06:31] <Funraiser> Chaotic_Shield, what's the networking prob?
[06:31] <shellhack> Chaotic_Shield: I did it, but isnt workt
[06:31] <shellhack> work
[06:31] <Chaotic_Shield> I have 2 routers, one wifi, the other not.
[06:31] <kaffeend> if I pause all my firefox downloads and restart firefox can I resume all downloads without fear of losing them?
[06:31] <shellhack> Chaotic_Shield: that is the problem
[06:31] <Funraiser> kaffeend, yes
[06:32] <kaffeend> Funraiser thanks - wanted to make sure
[06:32] <Chaotic_Shield> I need to place the non-wifi router next to the cable modem, which is in the basement, and then assign a static IP to the wifi router, which I'll use as an AP
[06:32] <bina> is there a database on the net that I can use to check whether hardware etc (in this case a webcam) will work under Ubuntu?
[06:32] <Funraiser> kaffeend, last time i did it worked
[06:32] <Chaotic_Shield> but I want to keep DHCP enabled for the rest of the net.
[06:32] <shellhack> Chaotic_shield: my screen resolution no change of 640x480
[06:32] <Chaotic_Shield> dunno then shellhack
[06:32] <shellhack> Chaotic_Shield: what?
[06:33] <BTJustice> Can anyone help me with the Kubuntu clock?
[06:33] <Chaotic_Shield> I don't know.
[06:33] <BTJustice> I use to be able to adjust my clock by right-clicking once on it then left-clicking on Adjust Date & Time.  I entered my root password and there I was.  Now, after I enter my password, nothing happens.  The clock never opens.  Why might that be?
[06:33] <Chaotic_Shield> BTJustice, you possibly uninstalled the clock app?
[06:33] <Chaotic_Shield> package*
[06:33] <BTJustice> I see the clock.
[06:33] <BTJustice> So wouldn't the app be here?
[06:34] <Chaotic_Shield> possibly it's 2 packages.
[06:34] <Howitzer> i forgot how ou have to add Windows HD's in fstab
[06:34] <codius> How can I add support for MP3 files?
[06:34] <Chaotic_Shield> !mp3
[06:34] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[06:34] <Code_Dark> Winamp not Running
[06:34] <BTJustice> What are those 2 files called in Synaptic?
[06:34] <kaffeend> If you exit now, 2 downloads will be canceled. Are you sure you want to exit?
[06:34] <Howitzer> /dev/hda5	     /media/share	fat32	defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[06:34] <kaffeend> I don't think so :s
[06:35] <Chaotic_Shield> BTJustice, try searching for clock?
[06:35] <kaffeend> well, can't restart Firefox
[06:35] <jkinz> UPTIME
[06:35] <Funraiser> kaffeend, sorry i thouhgt u meant just pause and resume
[06:36] <BTJustice> wtf, I can't access anythign in Synaptic.
[06:36] <Funraiser> (if that was secure or not)
[06:36] <kaffeend> guess it'll be sometime before Firefox supports multi session downloading
[06:36] <kaffeend> Funraiser np ;)
[06:36] <Chaotic_Shield> BTJustice, you know the r00t pass?
[06:36] <BTJustice> yes
[06:36] <steven> hey why i cant connect to gift
[06:36] <BTJustice> but i am not asked for it automatically or anything
[06:37] <Funraiser> Chaotic_Shield, are u sharing a printer?
[06:37] <kaffeend> BTJustice do you have your installation CD in the drive?
[06:37] <jkinz> MENICK
[06:37] <BTJustice> Ack, I can't close Synaptic!
[06:37] <BTJustice> No Cd is out'
[06:37] <tiago> my gnome dont start!!? somebody help-me! ( i use colony-2 )
[06:37] <Chaotic_Shield> no I'm not.
[06:37] <kaffeend> cd has to be in dude
[06:37] <BTJustice> alright it is in now
[06:38] <kaffeend> try it then
[06:38] <jkinz> MENICK
[06:38] <Chaotic_Shield> fscking hell.
[06:38] <BTJustice> I still can't click on anything in Synaptic.  I can't even close it.
[06:38] <shellhack> Chaotic_Shield: I installed rkhunter, after I restarted the system and the screen resolution has changed
[06:38] <kaffeend> Hmmm
[06:38] <Chaotic_Shield> shellhack, great. Fixed your problem?
[06:39] <gehel2> hello all ! I need advice, which program should I use to connect to my Canon ixus 40 camera ?
[06:39] <Chaotic_Shield> Linux gehel2
[06:39] <Chaotic_Shield> I need to check something with the second router.
[06:39] <Chaotic_Shield> Unless.
[06:39] <BTJustice> There it goes finally.  I was freaking out, lol.
[06:39] <Howitzer> Aaaaargh
[06:39] <Chaotic_Shield> Is there a way to force a specific program to use a specific network interface?
[06:39] <Howitzer> i'm going nuts
[06:39] <BTJustice> Which one is the KDE kicker clock
[06:39] <kaffeend> BTJustice good 1
[06:40] <BTJustice> lol
[06:40] <gehel2> Chaotic_Shield, it depends on the program, which program is it ?
[06:40] <BTJustice> It sucks being a n00b again to something.
[06:40] <Chaotic_Shield> FireFox.
[06:40] <Howitzer> i finally found how to add a windows partition, now i see it's the wrong partition :x
[06:40] <shellhack> Chaotic_Shield: no that is the problem I cant change my screen resolution of 640x480
[06:40] <BTJustice> If i do a search for clock, it finds 33 packages.
[06:40] <kaffeend> BTJustice doesn't it? Damn I'm n00bier than you dude
[06:40] <moemy> please helpe me..
[06:40] <BTJustice> lol
[06:40] <BrianAnthony> how do I mount an NTFS drive?
[06:40] <kaffeend> heh
[06:40] <gehel2> Chaotic_Shield, nope, client programs will delegate routing to the kernel (most of them anyway)
[06:40] <Howitzer> How do i use RPM'S??
[06:41] <Chaotic_Shield> PFT.
[06:41] <shellhack> Chaotic_Shield: when I installed that source the problem came in
[06:41] <lunitik> BTJustice, right click on panel > add to panel > applets > clock
[06:41] <lunitik> or something like that
[06:41] <BTJustice> So which package is the clock I see in KDE?
[06:41] <Chaotic_Shield> well then uninstall the source shellhack
[06:41] <Funraiser> BrianAnthony, www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:41] <lunitik> BTJustice, the clock is part of kicker
[06:41] <lunitik> (the kde panel)
[06:41] <gehel2> Chaotic_Shield, you could always tweak the routing tables ...
[06:41] <BTJustice> THeo nly one that even mentions kde is kworldclock
[06:41] <amonkey> where is the startup noise stored?
[06:41] <lunitik> BTJustice, its part of 'kicker' like I just siad
[06:41] <lunitik> said
[06:41] <buntu-a> i forget my password admin
[06:42] <kaffeend> who cares about the clock? The best clock is the Konfabulator Digital anyway
[06:42] <buntu-a> how to get it
[06:42] <buntu-a> ?
[06:42] <shellhack> Chaotic_Shield: ok
[06:42] <Howitzer> Guys, i need some help fast,
[06:42] <Howitzer> How do i open .rpm's in sudo mode?
[06:42] <lunitik> kaffeend, if you like goofy looking amature art I guess...
[06:42] <BrianAnthony> Funraiser: what am I looking for?
[06:42] <anacron_> Howitzer: alien -i
[06:42] <BrianAnthony> ah
[06:42] <BrianAnthony> gotcha
[06:42] <anacron_> i think
[06:42] <lunitik> anacron_, no
[06:42] <kaffeend> lunitik are you for real? That shit is damn fine! :P
[06:43] <Howitzer> anacron_, that converts it :x
[06:43] <lunitik> Howitzer, alien --to-deb some.deb && dpkg -i some.deb
[06:43] <anacron_> oh you said open
[06:43] <buntu-a> hello
[06:43] <Funraiser> BrianAnthony, Ctrl f then NTFS
[06:43] <BTJustice> OK, got them installing now
[06:43] <gehel2> Howitzer, well, under ubuntu, you should use .deb ... mixing rpm from foreign distro is the key to troubles ...
[06:43] <shellhack> Chaotic_Shield: I dont know the name of the package
[06:43] <Howitzer> i know
[06:43] <Chaotic_Shield> well then.
[06:43] <Chaotic_Shield> You're screwed!
[06:43] <Chaotic_Shield> :-P
[06:43] <lunitik> Howitzer, with sudo infront of each command of course
[06:43] <Howitzer> but i need the libgnomeuimm26 package
[06:44] <pfp> Chaotic_Shield: maybe --cmd-owner in iptables would help you?
[06:44] <BTJustice> One last question, I swear, what do you guys recommend for e-mail?  Kmail?  Evolution?  Or something else?
[06:44] <kaffeend> wtf IS sudo anyway?
[06:44] <Howitzer> in order to compile gparted, i need that file (although i've installed it before and this is the first time it complains about it)
[06:44] <Funraiser> Chaotic_Shield, i guess only the first router does the DHCP assigning, the other one is just a switch
[06:44] <kaffeend> pseudo?
[06:45] <Funraiser> kaffeend, sudo is superuser do
[06:45] <Howitzer> sudo is a way to run something in SuperUser mode
[06:45] <kaffeend> Evolution is da bomb BTJustice
[06:45] <kaffeend> I love it
[06:45] <lunitik> BTJustice, Thunderbird for regular use... Evolution is nice, but overkill for most cases
[06:45] <kaffeend> ah
[06:45] <gehel2> BTJustice, I would say thunderbird, or maybe evolution ...
[06:45] <Howitzer> i can't see the diff between thunderbird or evolution :x
[06:45] <BTJustice> I am surprised you guys don't like Kmail.
[06:45] <kaffeend> Funraiser I just read how I shouldn't use the command line as super user :s
[06:45] <BTJustice> I hated Thunderbird.
[06:45] <lunitik> BTJustice, KMail is simple like Thunderbird... only crappier
[06:46] <Seveas> slowpile, turn that script off
[06:46] <gehel2> Chaotic_Shield, It seems you have an interesting problem, could you please restate it ? I just arrived ...
[06:46] <Chaotic_Shield> Funraiser, that's what I'm trying to do, but I need to assign a static IP to one of the routers from the other.
[06:46] <BTJustice> Well I use it in Kontact.  Seems like there are a lot of options there in Kontact.
[06:46] <steven> why do i get an error at boot time trying to set up the system clock using the hardware clock as reference
[06:46] <gehel2> BTJustice, I just dont like email in general ... Actually, the only really nice email client is mahogany. It just crashes far too often ....
[06:46] <lunitik> BTJustice, Kontact is just a shell for about 6 old crappy apps
[06:46] <BTJustice> My nerd friend uses Mutt for everything.  YUCK!
[06:47] <shellhack> Chaotic_Shield: do you know the name of the package that manage the X
[06:47] <Chaotic_Shield> no.
[06:47] <Chaotic_Shield> probably called X
[06:47] <Chaotic_Shield> :-P
[06:47] <Seveas> BTJustice, mutt is the one-true-mailclient for geeks :)
[06:48] <lunitik> BTJustice, well, no... 5 old crappy apps, and a new one Kichensync
[06:48] <BTJustice> lunitik: lol.  I am not being a smartass, by why do you hate it so much?
[06:48] <kaffeend> steven did you pick the wrong timezone during install?
[06:48] <lunitik> BTJustice, Terrible UI... not well thought out
[06:48] <Seveas> lunitik, you just described most of KDE :)
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[06:48] <kaffeend> heh
[06:48] <steven> kaffeend, i dont think so but if i did it how could i change it
[06:48] <kaffeend> KDE is UGLY!
[06:48] <apokryphos> kaffeend: you gotta be jokin'
[06:48] <lunitik> Seveas, some KDE apps are nice and professional looking... K3B comes to mind... many seem amature though
[06:48] <kaffeend> steven: now THAT I can't help you with - sorry
[06:49] <lunitik> and Blender... that looks a nice app too
[06:49] <steven> ok thanks anyways
[06:49] <giardino> i need some help
[06:49] <kaffeend> apokryphos no I don't have a sense of humour
[06:49] <Seveas> giardino, with what?
[06:49] <shellhack> Chaotic_Shield: its strange but my apt couldnt find the X package
[06:49] <daxuza> me too
[06:49] <Chaotic_Shield> =\
[06:49] <daxuza> giardino : me too
[06:49] <Seveas> shellhack, x-window-system-core
[06:49] <lunitik> shellhack, x-window-system-core
[06:49] <steven> can somebody help me setting up the right time zone
[06:49] <lunitik> Seveas, damn you  :P
[06:49] <apokryphos> kaffeend: notice your K there in front of your name. You're another closet KDE aficionado, admit it :P
[06:49] <Funraiser> Chaotic, well if the second one has a specific IP number then the first router can't be in DHCP mode, that means the first one must be in non dhcp, the second dhcp
[06:49] <kaffeend> steven good luck tho - hang around and keep askin around
[06:49] <Seveas> steven, sudo base-config
[06:49] <BTJustice> Is it possible to configure reply and forward headers in Evolution?  Change time to 12 hour am/pm?
[06:50] <lunitik> Seveas, tzconfig ?
[06:50] <kaffeend> NO!!!
[06:50] <sorush21> what program do I use to tell the temperature of my CPU
[06:50] <steven> ok thanks
[06:50] <Seveas> lunitik, might work too :)
[06:50] <maketo> running hoary, 2.6.10 kernel, compiled my own 2.6.11.9 and trying to do mkinitrd -o initrd-2.6.11.9, comes back with no error, however the initrd image is not created. Any ideas?
[06:50] <apokryphos> kaffeend: acceptance is the first step
[06:50] <kaffeend> kaffeend goes way back
[06:50] <Chaotic_Shield> shellhack, it's called X-window-system-core
[06:50] <Funraiser> Chaotic_Shield, just a guess
[06:50] <lunitik> steven, type 'sudo tzconfig'
[06:50] <apokryphos> kaffeend: yah... that's what they all said.
[06:50] <lunitik> steven, what Seveas said is overkill
[06:50] <Seveas> maketo, you should use make-kpkg for compiling kernels on ubuntu/debian systems
[06:50] <kaffeend> kaffee is German for coffee, and I'm a fiend for caffeine, so kaffeend
[06:50] <barkley> I wonder if totem and/or gstreamer will ever be stable
[06:51] <maketo> Seveas: I used to be able to do it myself
[06:51] <Chaotic_Shield> Funraiser, I just want the DHCP server to assign the same damn IP to the AP
[06:51] <Chaotic_Shield> that's it.
[06:51] <lunitik> barkley, its stable here
[06:51] <Chaotic_Shield> That's all I'm asking
[06:51] <kaffeend> and I fuckin hate blue desktops! :P
[06:51] <barkley> lunitik, yeah..if you mess with it a bit...probably some alsa, oss issue
[06:51] <Seveas> maketo, that's not the point :) make-kpkg generates .deb files and that eases administration
[06:51] <lunitik> Chaotic_Shield, bind9 assigning it?
[06:51] <deprave> so make it purple
[06:51] <giardino> my X its not atarting. and i change the line driver "ati" to "vesa" and still not starting the X
[06:51] <Chaotic_Shield> lunitik, ?
[06:51] <kaffeend> ewww
[06:51] <lunitik> barkley, codec issue more than likely...
[06:52] <Seveas> plus it takes care of all compiling and initrd stuff
[06:52] <apokryphos> kaffeend: needless to say, blue being the most popular favourite colour, I think kde went with the safest bet ;-)
[06:52] <kaffeend> lime Gnome Mmmm...
[06:52] <Chaotic_Shield> heh
[06:52] <lunitik> Chaotic_Shield, I'm just trying to figure out why you are asking here about your router...
[06:52] <apokryphos> kaffeend: of course, you only need to alter one file to make all the colours in kde different
[06:52] <BTJustice> what is kaffend?
[06:52] <steven> lunitik, my time zome is right but i get the error at boot time
[06:52] <barkley> lunitik, nope.  it just dies at startup
[06:52] <Chaotic_Shield> http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?childpagename=US%2FLayout&packedargs=page%3D2%26cid%3D1115416835852%26c%3DL_Content_C1&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper&SubmittedElement=Linksys%2FFormSubmit%2FProductDownloadSearch&sp_prodsku=1122062340941 <-- that's my router.
[06:52] <giardino> i modiffied the xorg.conf with napo
[06:52] <daxuza> giordino : why X ?
[06:52] <Seveas> giardino, what is the error message?
[06:52] <barkley> lunitik, but i'm pretty happy with a recent colony 2 install, plus apt-get upgrade
[06:52] <kaffeend> BTJustice what is what?
[06:52] <lunitik> barkley, no idea what could be wrong... although I'm using totem-xine
[06:52] <Chaotic_Shield> I want to know if you can get it to assign a static IP (or the same IP everytime the leave expires) to a particular device.
[06:53] <Joose^> hi again xD
[06:53] <znh> Seveas: I'm wondering, why do they make gnome the default wm in ubuntu?
[06:53] <BTJustice> kaffend
[06:53] <Seveas> Chaotic_Shield, sure
[06:53] <lunitik> Chaotic_Shield, call the supplier of the router
[06:53] <BTJustice> kaffeend
[06:53] <sorush21> what program do I use to tell the temperature of my CPU
[06:53] <kaffeend> coz it rocks
[06:53] <BTJustice> what is it?
[06:53] <BTJustice> something in KDE?
[06:53] <barkley> lunitik, heh. this is the first time i've ever used a modem on linux in the 8 years i've been using linux
[06:53] <Chaotic_Shield> znh, you can find kubuntu which has KDE instead of Gnome.
[06:53] <giardino> th error msg is I could not start the X server could not find your ideo driver (something like that)
[06:53] <Joose^> i have a problem... i have some mp3 and totem doesn't play them, why?
[06:53] <elvirolo> hi all
[06:53] <lunitik> znh, because the guy that pays for the developement uses gnome
[06:53] <palandia> Hi there
[06:53] <apokryphos> znh: it's Mark Shuttleworth's primary desktop interest
[06:53] <kaffeend> Kafeine is a media player in KDE
[06:53] <Chaotic_Shield> Seveas, ok, next step. How?
[06:53] <znh> Chaotic_Shield: I didn't ask you any question, and I know - I use it myself
[06:53] <sektor> hey
[06:53] <palandia> can anyone help me with apt-get
[06:53] <sektor> i have a strange problem
[06:53] <palandia> please
[06:53] <Seveas> Chaotic_Shield, way off topic here, read the manual...
[06:54] <sektor> i need gmake, but can't seem to find it in synaptic
[06:54] <valuedcustomer> could someone help me with screen resolution?
[06:54] <Chaotic_Shield> I did.
[06:54] <sektor> anyone know why it's not in there?
[06:54] <Seveas> znh gnome is easier to support and more stable
[06:54] <Chaotic_Shield> I read it upside down and backwards.
[06:54] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell valuedcustomer about resolution
[06:54] <Funraiser> Chaotic_Shield, ok If seveas is taking care of you, you're all set, i'm outta here
[06:54] <Seveas> (plus it looks better :))
[06:54] <Chaotic_Shield> heh
[06:54] <sektor> valuedcustomer, probably not, but what is your problem?
[06:54] <kaffeend> BTJustice I am truly mad about coffee - not into KDE
[06:54] <Joose^> i have a problem... i have some mp3 and totem doesn't play them, why?
[06:54] <znh> Seveas: I see
[06:54] <gehel2> palandia, state your problem and we might ...
[06:54] <giardino> Seveas the error msg is I could not start the X server could not find your ideo driver (something like that)
[06:54] <lunitik> sektor, gnu make is the default make... install build-essential for a basic devel environment
[06:54] <elvirolo> when i try to add the volume control in the gnome panel, it doesn't show up ... can anyone help me ?
[06:54] <buntu-a> how change the password admin?? please help....
[06:54] <asfra> just a quick n00b question again: is using apt and pressing '-'  a good way to do an uinstall( meaning that everything associated with that program disappear)?  thanks
[06:54] <Chaotic_Shield> Joose^, type !mpe
[06:54] <Chaotic_Shield> !mp3*
[06:54] <ubotu> Chaotic_Shield: Wish i knew
[06:55] <Joose^> !mpe
[06:55] <Chaotic_Shield> pft.
[06:55] <ubotu> Joose^: I don't know, could you explain it?
[06:55] <valuedcustomer> i have generic nvidia card and had right resolution (1280x1024). now i'm 640x480 with no other option.
[06:55] <Seveas> buntu-a, read what ubotu says
[06:55] <Chaotic_Shield> !mp3
[06:55] <Code_Dark> Winamp not Running
[06:55] <ubotu> I heard mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[06:55] <apokryphos> buntu-a: Ubuntu uses sudo. It's your user password
[06:55] <lunitik> !tell buntu-a about root
[06:55] <Seveas> !root
[06:55] <ubotu> it has been said that root is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:55] <znh> buntu-a: Open a terminal, and typ sudo passwd
[06:55] <daxuza> giardino: when you enter startx ? are-you a probleme with installation
[06:55] <Chaotic_Shield> Joose^, look at the !mp3 link
[06:55] <sektor> valuedcustomer, restart
[06:55] <palandia> i did apt-get update changing my warty repos to hoary, then apt-get dist-upgrade... it has finished now...ho do i lnow if iam already in hoary?
[06:55] <Chaotic_Shield> yeah
[06:55] <sektor> valuedcustomer, i know that sounds shitty, but it worked for me
[06:55] <Chaotic_Shield> that's a really gay script.
[06:55] <kaffeend> !Crack
[06:55] <steven> does somebody know any free shell server
[06:55] <ubotu> The primary cause of people asking me the wrong things.
[06:55] <znh> !
[06:55] <kaffeend> haha
[06:55] <ubotu> znh: I don't know
[06:55] <znh> :-)
[06:56] <Seveas> kaffeend, please don't play with the bot
[06:56] <BTJustice> kaffeend BTJustice I am truly mad about coffee - not into KDE
[06:56] <palandia> i did apt-get update changing my warty repos to hoary, then apt-get dist-upgrade... it has finished now...ho do i lnow if iam already in hoary?
[06:56] <BTJustice> What do you mean?
[06:56] <kaffeend> seveas sorry :s
[06:56] <elvirolo> help anyone ?
[06:56] <valuedcustomer> ok will try
[06:56] <Seveas> palandia, you will need to reboot
[06:56] <giardino> =(
[06:56] <lunitik> palandia, cat /etc/motd
[06:56] <Seveas> and then you will see the difference
[06:56] <gregg_> palandia: /etc/lsb-release
[06:56] <giardino> =(
[06:56] <apokryphos> kaffeend: play with him in /msg  as much as you want though :P
[06:58] <giardino> well... thanks yor the help
[06:58] <gregg_> lunitik: uh, nothing about hoary there :)
[06:58] <lunitik> gregg_, bah, they moved it... /etc/issue
[06:58] <kaffeend> love playin with that crazy bot
[06:58] <lunitik> gregg_, actually... I think I just had a brain fry... although it ought to be in a file called '/etc/ubuntu-version' and we should get rid of /etc/debian-version ...
[06:58] <sektor> lunitik, i installed the build-essential thing
[06:59] <daxuza> daxuza
[06:59] <lunitik> sektor, good job?
[06:59] <sektor> lunitik, but still get "gmake: command not found"
[06:59] <gregg_> lunitik: i'd like that too
[06:59] <sektor> lunitik, sorry, i tend to use <enter> too often
[06:59] <gregg_> /etc/debian-version at 3.1 is kinda pointless if you ask me
[06:59] <Seveas> sektor, alias gmake=make
[06:59] <Seveas> sektor, the build script you use is flaky
[06:59] <daxuza> go to make lunch
[06:59] <lunitik> sektor, which make
[07:00] <sektor> it probably is
[07:00] <lunitik> sektor, get a non-crack-using package
[07:00] <sektor> lunitik, euh, dunno what you mean
[07:00] <lunitik> sektor, what are you trying to install?
[07:00] <sektor> lunitik, i dl Chromium from sourceforge and did make
[07:01] <lunitik> sektor, 'apt-get install chromium'
[07:01] <sektor> lunitik, i built it at school, it should work
[07:01] <sektor> lunitik, just need gmake apparently
[07:01] <sektor> Seveas, how do i remove something from the alias list?
[07:02] <Seveas> sektor, chromium is in the repositories....
[07:02] <Seveas> !info chromium
[07:02] <ubotu> chromium: (Fast paced, arcade-style, scrolling space shooter), section universe/games, is optional. Version: 0.9.12-5 (hoary), Packaged size: 112 kB, Installed size: 436 kB
[07:02] <sektor> lol
[07:02] <sektor> not that chromium
[07:02] <Seveas> :)
[07:02] <sektor> chromium is a framework for distributed graphics
[07:03] <Seveas> alias gmake=make should get rid of 'gmake not found' errors
[07:03] <sektor> Seveas, tried that, didn't work
[07:03] <calamari> hi
[07:03] <Seveas> sektor, still the same error?
[07:03] <gregg_> sektor: ./configure'd it?
[07:03] <sektor> /bin/sh: gmake: command not found
[07:03] <lunitik> sektor, edit the configure script to look for make not gmake... its obviously built for a BSD machine
[07:03] <Seveas> argh
[07:04] <Seveas> it executes sh to call gmake
[07:04] <Seveas> that build system is on crack
[07:04] <sektor> lol
[07:04] <lunitik> Seveas, hence what I just said
[07:04] <holycow> guys, what are the proper permissions for the /etc/networking folder ... 644?
[07:04] <Seveas> sektor, sudo ln -s /usr/bin/make /usr/bin/gmake
[07:04] <gregg_> woah, hardcore
[07:04] <sektor> Seveas, tnx :)
[07:05] <calamari> Amaranth: smeg doesn't seem to allow me to delete any menu items.  Is this a bug, or has it not been implemented yet?
[07:05] <gregg_> sektor: what kind of build system does this program use?
[07:05] <sektor> Seveas, how do i remove stuff from my alias list?
[07:05] <sektor> gregg_, dunno
[07:05] <gregg_> autotools?
[07:05] <lunitik> holycow, 755
[07:05] <sektor> i'm just supposed to type 'make' and it's supposed to work
[07:05] <lunitik> holycow, its a directory... so its always odd
[07:05] <gregg_> sektor: take a look at the makefile before making crazy symlinks
[07:06] <sektor> too late
[07:06] <monsterror> DOes anyone know if there's a linux version of Azerues?
[07:06] <lunitik> sektor, the script is calling for something else... so tell it not to
[07:06] <holycow> lunitik, okay ... what about the contents? i was about to chmod -R the dir ... ?
[07:06] <lunitik> monsterror, yes
[07:06] <monsterror> Or some other BitTorrent client for that matter?
[07:06] <gregg_> monsterror: azureus is java, so yes
[07:06] <mindmedic> monsterror, its java, and yes there is
[07:06] <lunitik> holycow, no
[07:06] <gregg_> monsterror: well, the original
[07:06] <lunitik> holycow, I'm not telling you each permission though... wtf did you change it?
[07:06] <mindmedic> theres even a gtk version, and next time, at least visit the homepage first
[07:07] <buntu-a> i forget user and password?? please help....how to get
[07:07] <holycow> lunitik, nm, i'm asking what the proper permission set is for the contents on the folder, why it changed is none of your business
[07:07] <kaffeend> can I create desktop shortcut icons for my apps?
[07:07] <holycow> thats okay i got the answer anyway thanks
[07:07] <root__> hi guys
[07:07] <lunitik> holycow, thanks for the attitude... I won't be helping you again...
[07:07] <gehel2> Chaotic_Shield, still trying to set static DHCP addresses on your linksys ? From the manual, it doesnt seems it's possible. Anyway, DHCP is usually a bad idea for network equipement
[07:07] <root__> hi guys
[07:08] <buntu-a> i forget user and password?? please help....how to get
[07:08] <lunitik> root__, come back as a regular user
[07:08] <Chaotic_Shield> hrm.
[07:08] <root__> i have rebooted my warty now i am in hoary
[07:08] <holycow> lunitik, you get what you dish out
[07:08] <Chaotic_Shield> maybe doing it by setting the wifi router as DHCP?
[07:08] <lunitik> holycow, you are now on ignore
[07:08] <holycow> woot!
[07:09] <gehel2> Chaotic_Shield, if you get to me on /msg I might be of some help, but it goes a bit fast in here ...
[07:09] <kaffeend> trying to find out how to make a desktop shortcut
[07:09] <lunitik> palandia, no really... get off IRC and come back as a normal user
[07:09] <palandia> ok now i am palandia
[07:10] <sektor> lunitik, what is this gmake about ?
[07:10] <palandia> i am in recovery mode...
[07:10] <lunitik> sektor, the install scripts are on crack... you need to change them... but you don't appear to want to
[07:10] <palandia> i have a problem with gdm or xserver
[07:10] <lunitik> sektor, gmake is what gnu make is called on BSD machines
[07:10] <gregg_> sektor: non-gnu systems have their own make (which is different from the GNU one), so GNU make gets called gmake
[07:10] <palandia> whe i reboot the machine it enter into level 5 and tries to get into gdm
[07:11] <sektor> gregg_, tnx, at least now i know something :)
[07:11] <lunitik> palandia, su anotheruser
[07:11] <palandia> ok quitind
[07:11] <palandia> g
[07:11] <kaffeend> can anyone tell me what file extension runs a programe please?
[07:11] <lunitik> kaffeend, any
[07:11] <palandia> it ok now?
[07:11] <kaffeend> lunitik any?
[07:11] <lunitik> kaffeend, UNIX understands MIME types... not file extensions
[07:11] <kaffeend> hmmm
[07:11] <gehel2> kaffeend, no file exension. use "chmod a+x <file>" to make it executable
[07:12] <palandia> hi there
[07:12] <kaffeend> simple as that?
[07:12] <palandia> io have upgraded from warty to hoary
[07:12] <palandia> and i still have problems with my Unichrome
[07:12] <lunitik> gehel2, a=all?
[07:12] <gehel2> lunitik, UNIX itself doesnt understand MIME types, some programs do ...
[07:12] <elwood> palandia, what is unichrome?
[07:12] <gehel2> lunitik, a=all yess
[07:12] <palandia> i cant see anything when it goes into X
[07:12] <palandia> VIA/S3 UniChrome GRaphics Card
[07:13] <palandia> X is configured to use vesa
[07:13] <mindmedic> argl, s3
[07:13] <palandia> but when it goes into X
[07:13] <mindmedic> sorry
[07:13] <jkinz> kaffeend:  UNIX doesn't even need MIME types.  The system identifies files by looking at their actual content, and in some cases, by their "Magic number"
[07:13] <gregg_> unichrome is an via/s3 graphics chipset
[07:13] <kaffeend> does the filename have to be inside the <>?
[07:13] <lunitik> !tell palandia about configx
[07:13] <lunitik> kaffeend, no
[07:14] <gehel2> kaffeend, nope, assuming your file is named some_file, type "chmod a+x some_file"
[07:14] <steven> why do i get this when trying to run mpg321 Can't find a suitable libao driver. (Is device in use?)
[07:14] <kaffeend> lunitik ok thanks
[07:14] <lunitik> steven, because esd is using /dev/dsp
[07:14] <jkinz> kaffeend "<>" is a convention meaning "put something here that matches what is described here"
[07:14] <jkinz> kaffeend: for example <file name> means "use a file name in this part of the command
[07:14] <steven> lunitik, and what is esd
[07:15] <palandia> my prboelm is tahta when i go into X my conosle ttys seems to be in FB or 50 lines or somenthing lioke that but i cant read anything only the first line seems to be in test mode ...and obviously nothing of graphics menus or that...i only see a gray box with blue background and 2 red options
[07:15] <gehel2> kaffeend, we also sometimes use "[some_file] "
[07:15] <lunitik> steven, Enlightened Sound Daemon ... a software mixer
[07:15] <palandia> text mode
[07:15] <steven> lunitik, and how can i make work mpg321
[07:15] <lunitik> steven, allows more than one program to use the sound card... but the apps have to support it
[07:15] <jkinz> kaffeend: what gehel2 said ;-) (but only people using *nix less than 15 years....
[07:15] <palandia> anyone here has VIA/S3 Unichrome ?
[07:15] <gregg_> palandia: uh, try to "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and select the "via" driver... also make sure your monitor timings are OK
[07:15] <lunitik> steven, pkill esd
[07:16] <gregg_> yeah, me
[07:16] <kaffeend> well, I got: chmod: cannot access `TeamSpeak': No such file or directory
[07:16] <sektor> lunitik, where would i change the build script?
[07:16] <joachim_> hi
[07:16] <joachim_> how do I mount a drive & have it appear as belonging to me, not root?
[07:16] <gregg_> I didn't have any problems with it though, even DRI works
[07:16] <steven> lunitik, i still get the same error after pkill esd
[07:16] <lunitik> sektor, in the programs directory... the configure script... like I told you about 15 mins ago
[07:16] <jkinz> kaffeend: then you are not in the same directory as the file or it doesn't exist
[07:16] <palandia> xserver-xorg? i have done the same but with xserver-xfree86  in warty ...it has changed in hoary????
[07:16] <lunitik> steven, ps -e esd
[07:16] <gehel2> kaffeend, what are you trying to do ?
[07:16] <palandia> xserver-xorg? i have done the same but with xserver-xfree86  in warty ...it has changed in hoary????
[07:16] <gregg_> palandia: yeah
[07:16] <lunitik> steven, if that returns something... pkill -HUP esd
[07:16] <kaffeend> tring to run teamspeak
[07:17] <kaffeend> I just want to open it
[07:17] <sektor> lunitik, and how do i recognize the configure script?
[07:17] <palandia> ok i will try it now.... but i have to quit the irc because i have only one tty... :( i do not know why...
[07:17] <palandia> ok i will try it now.... but i have to quit the irc because i have only one tty... :( i do not know why...
[07:17] <lunitik> steven, why aren't you using Rhythmbox though?
[07:17] <gehel2> kaffeend, try using "./TeamSpeak" usually the current directory is not in the PATH
[07:17] <steven> lunitik, ERROR: Unsupported option (BSD syntax)
[07:17] <lunitik> sektor, its called 'configure
[07:17] <lunitik> '
[07:17] <kaffeend> hey - I get to use the cd command
[07:17] <sektor> lunitik, there is nog configure
[07:17] <steven> lunitik, when ps -e esd
[07:17] <sektor> no*
[07:17] <lunitik> steven, bah... pkill -9 esd
[07:18] <steven> lunitik, the same error
[07:18] <gehel2> kaffeend, then you'll get use to the [TAB]  key as well !
[07:18] <pfp> joachim_: if it's in fstab, add the 'user' option
[07:19] <lunitik> steven, bah... 'ps -e | grep esd'
[07:19] <kaffeend> hahaha
[07:19] <kaffeend> ok I am lost (again)
[07:20] <elwood> uhm how to esclude packages from upgrade?
[07:20] <kaffeend> can't I r-click it and select "send to desktop (make shortcut)?
[07:20] <_SWAT_> I'm wanted to use SCITE (text editor) right now and tweak the colors etc. When I change the global or user properties file nothing happens. The colors aren't affected. How can this be?
[07:20] <lunitik> elwood, hold them...
[07:20] <kaffeend> that would be too easy tho
[07:21] <elwood> lunitik, can you tell me how?
[07:21] <joachim_> thanks pfp :)
[07:21] <Internett> hi, whats the program tu install programs please
[07:21] <sektor> lunitik, any ideas on what i have to do now?
[07:21] <steven> lunitik, with rhythmbox i get this error there is no plugin installed to handle a mp3 file
[07:21] <gehel2> Internett, synaptic
[07:21] <lunitik> steven, apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[07:22] <steven> cool
[07:22] <steven> thnx
[07:22] <kaffeend> so, what am I meant to be doing again please?
[07:22] <lunitik> elwood, dpkg --set-selection hold pkg
[07:22] <elwood> lunitik, thanks
[07:23] <lunitik> elwood, --set-selections *
[07:23] <pillow> don't you have to add special servers in order to install gstreamer0.8-mad?
[07:23] <gehel2> kaffeend, install the "command line applet" and stop using shortcuts to the desktop ...
[07:23] <occy> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:23] <occy>   airsnort: Depends: libpcap0.7 but it is not installable
[07:23] <steven> lunitik, but i cant run mpg321 yet
[07:23] <synstar> I've installed pure-ftpd - but i cant connect to it via ftp localhost.  It displays service not available?
[07:23] <occy> any idea how to fix this?
[07:23] <gehel2> kaffeend, or right click on the desktop -> create launcher
[07:23] <lunitik> steven, don't worry about that... rhythmbox uses esd
[07:23] <lunitik> steven, it will work
[07:24] <elwood> lunitik, dpkg: --set-selections does not take any argument...
[07:24] <daniel_mobil> Hi people! I just want to hear a mp3.... i downloaded the mp3 aid.. with the ubuntu packetmanager.. but nothing works =/ can u help me pls?
[07:24] <steven> ok thats cool
[07:24] <palandia> hi there
[07:24] <kaffeend> creating launcher
[07:24] <lunitik> occy, find the package it needs
[07:24] <f_newton> I am a command line applet person myself
[07:24] <gehel2> occy, apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade; apt-get install -f ; apt-get install airsnort
[07:24] <steven> what if i dont start the x window server could i use mpg321 in text mode
[07:24] <palandia> i have tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in my hoary it doesnt have the via driver WHY?
[07:24] <lunitik> elwood, echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections
[07:25] <palandia> i have tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in my hoary it doesnt have the via driver WHY?
[07:25] <lunitik> elwood, change hold to install when you want to install it again
[07:25] <occy> gehel2, no love.
[07:25] <lunitik> elwood, you can do this in Synaptic too...
[07:25] <occy> gehel2, followed that
[07:25] <kaffeend> hahaha... that was soooo easy!
[07:25] <daniel_mobil> :(
[07:25] <gehel2> kaffeend, that's not what you said 5 minutes ago ...
[07:26] <lunitik> steven, sure... mpg123 is better though... but why would you want to do that?
[07:26] <steven> lunitik, i get an error that says that it cant open the device to write
[07:26] <thoreauputic> steven: mpg321 is a commandline program - it has no X frontend as such although various players can use it as a back end
[07:27] <steven> i know its a commandline program thats why i want it just to try something different
[07:27] <palandia> i have tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in my hoary it doesnt have the via driver why? help pme please
[07:27] <lunitik> thoreauputic, esd is using /dev/dsp, so he can't use it... I told him to install gstreamer0.8-mad but he is being stubborn
[07:27] <shammy> I can't run the command sudo modprobe ndiswrapper, i get an error saying cannot insert ndiswrapper, operation not permitted. Why would that be?
[07:27] <thoreauputic> lunitik: I see :)
[07:27] <kaffeend> gehel2 I didn't know about that shortcut b4
[07:27] <steven> lunitik, how can i bring up the esd program becasue i cant play a song with the rhymthmbox
[07:28] <lunitik> steven, you installed the package I told you?
[07:28] <palandia> :( :( :(
[07:28] <lunitik> steven, esd starts automagically
[07:28] <steven> lunitik, yes i did and now i dont get the error for the plug in but it doesnt play anyways
[07:28] <palandia> i have tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in my hoary it doesnt have the via driver why? help me please
[07:29] <gehel2> steven, follow lunitik advice ...
[07:29] <lunitik> steven, sound is on? sound is up?
[07:29] <steven> i think so
[07:29] <lunitik> steven, I don't
[07:29] <lunitik> check
[07:29] <steven> i get two errors the one i told you and another one that says it cant stop the playback
[07:29] <elwood> lunitik, ok it works..i prefer to work on console :)
[07:30] <gehel2> dummy question, but how can I hide the joind/quit messages in xchat ?
[07:30] <lunitik> steven, right click the speaker looking thing in the top right corner... and make sure PCM is turned up
[07:30] <thoreauputic> steven: you could try running   gst-register-0.8  to register any plugins you have installed
[07:30] <steven> lunitik, yes its up because xmms runs just fine
[07:30] <lunitik> steven, Rhythmbox isn't though?
[07:31] <jkinz> gehel2: right click on chennel buttin (ubuntu for ex) then select the same name from the menu, and unselect the appropriate item
[07:31] <jkinz> shennel= channel
[07:31] <steven> lunitik, yes rhythmbox does not work
[07:31] <lunitik> elwood, good thing to learn... dpkg is very powerful... dpkg --force-help has a lot of useful options  :)
[07:31] <skalpel> what is different between ubuntu and debian?
[07:31] <gehel2> jkinz, thx ! I knew it must be simple !
[07:31] <elwood> lunitik,  force make me scared :)
[07:31] <waltz> skalpel, the spelling.
[07:32] <lunitik> elwood, just know what you are doing...
[07:32] <elwood> steven, i am getting the gstreamer plugin right now
[07:32] <elwood> lunitik, yes or my box will became crazy
[07:32] <steven> lunitik, i donw know why it does not work
[07:32] <steven> lunitik, because xmms is working
[07:32] <lunitik> steven, neither do I...
[07:32] <skalpel> waltz: all that huh
[07:32] <gehel2> skalpel, ubuntu has a shorter release cycle, is better looking, more desktop oriented. Debian is great for server/firewalls but is a bit less easy to use
[07:32] <skalpel> waltz: why a seperate distro then?
[07:32] <lunitik> gehel2, better looking? how you figure?
[07:32] <elwood> steven, give me a chance
[07:32] <kaffeend> any ideas why my mic might be playing up in TeamSpeak guys?
[07:33] <skalpel> gehel2: thank you, works for me
[07:33] <elwood> have you got the alsa drivers?
[07:33] <steven> lunitik, i only needed to download that plugin right?
[07:33] <steven> elwood, ok
[07:33] <thoreauputic> steven: xmms does not use the gstreamer engine - rhythmbox does though
[07:33] <lunitik> gehel2, you mean the GDM theme? The wallpaper? cuz thats all thats different
[07:33] <Tomcat_> skalpel: Ubuntu is politically different from Debian, and that's why it has to be a different distro.
[07:33] <lunitik> steven, you downloaded it apparently... so there is no reason it won't work
[07:33] <elwood> steffo, you can use xmms but not  rythmbox?
[07:33] <steven> thoreauputic, but i downloaded the plugin
[07:33] <lunitik> elwood, thats correct
[07:34] <kaffeend> where can I access mic settings please?
[07:34] <Tomcat_> skalpel: As gehel2 said, shorter release cycles... ease-of-use for binary-only drivers and apps... platform restriction... and stuff.
[07:34] <gehel2> lunitik, well, Debian put less importance on the niceness of the interface ... Right, with the Sid release it's getting better, but Sarge was horrible, mainly because it was a bit outdated ...
[07:34] <lunitik> thoreauputic, apparently he installed the plugin... because its not complaining about the codec... just not playing...
[07:34] <elwood> steven,  and you get some error?
[07:34] <skalpel> tomcat_:how is it politically different/
[07:34] <skalpel> ?
[07:34] <lunitik> steven, the slider representing song progress moves?
[07:34] <thoreauputic> steven: try running gst-register-0.8   in a terminal and see if it registers your plugins
[07:35] <gehel2> skalpel, also add the great security support and tons of architectures supported for Debian
[07:35] <Tomcat_> skalpel: As I just said, Ubuntu does things that Debian would never do.
[07:35] <steven> i get two errors
[07:35] <kaffeend> !mic
[07:35] <ubotu> kaffeend: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[07:35] <kaffeend> damn
[07:35] <Tomcat_> skalpel: Ubuntu ships wireless lan drivers with firmware... that would never be possible in Debian.
[07:35] <pillow> anyone know why none of the tabs work in moz-firefox?
[07:35] <elwood> steven, i got a missin plugin, so i am doing apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins
[07:35] <steven> thoreauputic, i did it
[07:35] <skalpel> tomcat_: someone told me ubuntu was originally developed for the african government, i thought maybe you meant something like that
[07:35] <gehel2> skalpel, Debian is VERY strict on allowing only free (as in speech) program to enter the distro
[07:35] <pillow> ummmm, elwood...
[07:35] <kaffeend> !microphone
[07:35] <ubotu> kaffeend: I give up, what is it?
[07:36] <kaffeend> damn it all to hell
[07:36] <pillow> have you tried synaptic?
[07:36] <thoreauputic> steven, did it say it was registering stuff?
[07:36] <lunitik> elwood, you really don't want to do that... just -mad
[07:36] <skalpel> so ubuntu takes everything good about debian and makes it more accessable?
[07:36] <elwood> lunitik, but i work with a lot of mime types
[07:36] <pillow> even if you wanted all of them, your syntax is a bit questionable
[07:36] <steven> thoreauputic, i think it did Rebuilding user_registry (/root/.gstreamer-0.8/registry.xml) ...
[07:36] <steven> Loaded 146 plugins with 290 features.
[07:36] <Tomcat_> skalpel: That too... it targets ease-of-use for open source software, while Debian... I don't know, Debian wants to be there for everyone. There are many things politically where Ubuntu and Debian are different.
[07:36] <lunitik> skalpel, no... Ubuntu enables you to not think about configuring your box (package sets etc)... other than that, its Debian
[07:37] <Tomcat_> skalpel: And Ubuntu's founder himself said that it's important to him that Debian has different goals than Ubuntu.
[07:37] <f_newton> I think people read too much into debian Tomcat_
[07:37] <steven> i get two errors the one is this: could not pause playback, the second is could not open resource for writing
[07:37] <thoreauputic> steven, OK well try closing and rerunning rhythmbox and see what happens
[07:37] <f_newton> Its a computer operating system not a life philosop;;;;hy
[07:37] <steven> thoreauputic, i just did it and doesnt work
[07:37] <f_newton> hmmm sticky key
[07:37] <lunitik> f_newton, Debian is the foundation for more that 100 distro's... hardly reading too much into it...
[07:37] <gehel2> skalpel, more or less yes. also Debian is very concerned about stability (that is that programs dont change version in the release, only if there is a security issue)
[07:37] <skalpel> can someone tell me why gnomebaker stops at 50% and ejects my disc when i am trying to write?
[07:37] <coldfile1162> is ubuntu have kdevelop?
[07:37] <lunitik> f_newton, Ubuntu is Debian Sid with more testing... thats all
[07:37] <f_newton> well bow to the silicon god... lol
[07:38] <elwood> lunitik, that's why i like it
[07:38] <skalpel> does it have something to do with my atapi drivers? someone said they suck in linux, and i might need to add scsi emulation
[07:38] <steven> elwood, did you have any luck
[07:38] <kaffeend> okay, I am trying to talk on TeamSpeak but the guys can't hear a word I'm saying even tho my mic sensitivity is set to max, is there something in Ubuntu that I can tweak to fix this, please anybody?
[07:38] <lunitik> skalpel, thats old news
[07:38] <thoreauputic> steven, I would try killing esd again and then re run it (I suspect esd is confused somehow)
[07:38] <lunitik> skalpel, enless your cdrw is old
[07:39] <steven> thoreauputic, howdo i do it
[07:39] <elwood> steven,  i am listening now music :)
[07:39] <skalpel> lunitik: no it is not. it only happens when i try to write to cd-rw, even after i blank the disc
[07:39] <thoreauputic> steven, killall esd
[07:39] <elwood> steven past me the errors
[07:39] <lukus001> Hi, i need an "aclocal" file installed to install a prorgam i have... the terminal says i can get it from http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu but i guess its not actually called aclocal as a filename... hence why i cant see it in synatic?
[07:40] <f_newton> debian is a really well thought out linux system and ubuntu carries it even further, while doing a good job, but none of that hardly requires such emotional tie
[07:40] <thoreauputic> steven, then try again with rhythmbox
[07:40] <coldfile1162> does anyone here use kubuntu
[07:40] <Beuno> hey, Im developing a project for Ubuntu, and I would like to setup a webpage, I read through the trademark policy and sent an email, but I have had no answer
[07:40] <steven> thoreauputic, killall esd esd: no process killed
[07:40] <Beuno> can anyone give me an idea as of how to proceed?
[07:40] <f_newton> there are basically three linux tributaries from which the dirstros flow
[07:40] <lunitik> skalpel, cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc speed=something --data some.file another.file  ... or --audio some.mp3 another.mp3
[07:40] <kaffeend> where the fuck are mic input settings in Gnome? Aaaarrrgh
[07:40] <elwood> steven,  ps aux | grep esd
[07:40] <f_newton> and debian is one of them
[07:40] <thoreauputic> steven, OK run esd &
[07:40] <elwood> kaffeend, in the mixer
[07:40] <thoreauputic> steven, include the &
[07:40] <steven> elwood, i get this could not open device for writing
[07:40] <steven> and the other one is could not stop playback
[07:40] <skalpel> lunitik: that would take along time, i am burning a disc full of mp3 files.
[07:40] <lunitik> f_newton, Redhat Debian and mainline?
[07:40] <lukus001> doesn anyone know where i can get aclocal from to install ?
[07:40] <kaffeend> elwood - great! Thanks!! Where is that plz?
[07:40] <f_newton> deb, rh, suse
[07:40] <gehel2> f_newton, which 3 would it be ? Debian, RH and slack ? or SuSE ?
[07:40] <elwood> steven, ...maybe permission problem?
[07:41] <elwood> kaffeend, i use alsamixer from console
[07:41] <f_newton> slack is in a place all by itself
[07:41] <skalpel> lunitik: how would i tell cdrecord to burn a whole dir, all files in it?
[07:41] <steven> ok now its working
[07:41] <kaffeend> ???
[07:41] <steven> it seems like esd was not working
[07:41] <lunitik> skalpel, cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc speed=something --audio *.mp3
[07:41] <thoreauputic> steven, OK it should be fine from now on
[07:41] <holycow> Beuno, well what kind of project? software?
[07:41] <elwood> lunitik, you seems the doctor of er
[07:41] <gehel2> f_newton, just curious, but has there been a lot of forks from SuSE as we see in Debian or RH ? SuSE was one of my first distro, but a long time ago ...
[07:41] <steven> ok thanks everyone
[07:41] <skalpel> lunitik: how do i find out which device node my cd writer is using?
[07:42] <kaffeend> elwood care to elaborate?
[07:42] <f_newton> personally I prefer the debian way.  Ive used the RH way for many years simply because it had a better gui and integration but with ubuntu...
[07:42] <steven> i am using fluxbox how can i upgrade all the packages
[07:42] <poningru> guys how do I access the IDLE?
[07:42] <lunitik> gehel2, no... until the Novell purchase, SuSE was very much a closed company
[07:42] <elwood> steven, but your gnome "sounds?" try reboooting or check udev permission of audio...
[07:42] <f_newton> suse was actually a late comer in the early development of linux
[07:42] <skalpel> i enjoyed running slack, but it was a little too much for a newbie
[07:42] <DRPAS> i dont have the via driver in hoary? anyone knows why can it be....
[07:42] <thoreauputic> steven, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[07:42] <Beuno> holycow: yes, kind of, its a mix between a webpage and software to make software installation easier on ubuntu
[07:42] <lunitik> skalpel, if you purchased it from a store preinstalled, its hdc... else, its wherever you put it
[07:42] <f_newton> slack is for those that think why drive when God gave ya legs
[07:42] <steven> thoreauputic, thanks
[07:42] <skalpel> lunitik: ok thank you
[07:43] <skalpel> the speed should be something like 48x?
[07:43] <lunitik> skalpel, hda = primary master ide cable, hdb=primary slave, hdc = secondary master, hdd=secondary slave
[07:43] <gehel2> skalpel, you can even leave out the speed and it will autodect what's best, most of the time it works just fine
[07:43] <lunitik> skalpel, it'll tell you right on the CDRW... the first number for first burn
[07:43] <f_newton> suse did have a lot faster curve because it is a commercial venture, like redhat, but it went enduser instead of server side
[07:44] <steven> well thats all for now i'll be back if i need any help
[07:44] <steven> thanks everyone see ya later
[07:44] <lunitik> gehel2, if you don't put the speed, it defaults to 4
[07:45] <gehel2> lunitik, really ? I had the impression it went much faster here ... I need to check ...
[07:45] <DRPAS> do ihave to use the unichrome.sourceforge.com driver for VIA/S3 Unichrome in hoary?
[07:45] <lunitik> gehel2, I checked that a while ago... but thats what the docs said last time I read them
[07:45] <holycow> ah thats different, you may want to think about it some more and make it more generic so it applies to debian as well
[07:45] <holycow> ubuntu is frozen off of debian unstable every 6 months, you may wish to consider becoming a dd and getting your project sponsored there first
[07:45] <james> I've managed to break lpr
[07:45] <lunitik> james, meet cups
[07:45] <gehel2> lunitik, well, the man page disagree with you ... sorry
[07:46] <james> Cups works fine, but I can't print from firefox
[07:46] <james> firefox seems to use lpr
[07:46] <lunitik> james, cupsys-bsd
[07:46] <james> I think I messed up by deleting a few directories within /var
[07:46] <holycow> james, reinstall time :)
[07:46] <thoreauputic> james, why did you do that?
[07:46] <james> I've tried dpkg-reconfigure
[07:46] <Beuno> holycow: yes, I agree, I would like to make it more generic, but I think it would be easier to start off with ubuntu, and then expand
[07:47] <f_newton> well my experience is the ubuntu printing process is not as good as the one in rh ... no jet cleaning option, no dpi setting option, incomplete driver cache
[07:47] <DRPAS> antobdy can help me please?
[07:47] <Beuno> and since the domain I want to register contains "ubuntu", I just wanted to know
[07:47] <vagamente> how can i unistall limewire? HELP ME...
[07:47] <gehel2> vagamente, how did you install it ?
[07:47] <f_newton> vagamente first you need to find out where it is
[07:48] <f_newton> in shell type whereis limewire
[07:48] <f_newton> note all the locations
[07:48] <thoreauputic> james, fooling around in /var without knowing what you are doing is... not a Good Move (tm)
[07:48] <f_newton> cd to those locations and rm the files
[07:48] <caturOK> hello
[07:48] <james> I was trying to move some of the /var directories to another mounted raid0 partition - then they all got deleted
[07:48] <caturOK> why my umax couldn't detect
[07:48] <barkley> i'm curious if there is a policy of the ubuntu developers/maintainers where they say "ok, don't update right now there's bound to be massive breakage", and "ok, it's ok to update".  I'm on breezy and I don't mind a little bit of breakage, but if the desktop/X isn't going to load then that's a problem
[07:48] <vagamente> i installled like it's shown in ubuntu unofficial guide....
[07:48] <lunitik> !smartask is http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[07:48] <ubotu> okay, lunitik
[07:49] <holycow> barkley, there is infact
[07:49] <f_newton> vagamente, if you installed limewire by apt or aptitude you can remove it that way
[07:49] <holycow> barkley, its called release time
[07:49] <james> I've tried apt-get install --reinstall cupsys-bsd and dpkg-reconfigure
[07:49] <caturOK> any body same problem
[07:49] <thoreauputic> lunitik: that could be a very useful factoid :)
[07:49] <gehel2> vagamente, that's the risk when going unstable ...
[07:49] <barkley> holycow, thanks for that insightful comment
[07:49] <caturOK> why my umax couldn't detect
[07:49] <holycow> barkley, in sept/oct you will be safe in running breezy, untill then its for developers only and those that want to help fix it
[07:49] <gregg_> DRPAS: you don't have to install an external driver. it's integrated into hoary
[07:49] <lunitik> james, apt-get install --reinstall runs dpkg-reconfigure (kinda)
[07:49] <lunitik> thoreauputic, :P
[07:49] <f_newton> vagamente, I dont know what that is but I do know if you find all the files you can rm -f them but you better know wht you are doing and not remove the wrong directories
[07:50] <caturOK> how to fix my umax
[07:50] <holycow> barkley, sarcasm is warranted when you are perfectly aware of the consequences of running breezey.  it'snot a mystery
[07:50] <caturOK> pls
[07:50] <skalpel> lunitik: i got this error using cdrecord: Warning: Open by 'devname' is unintentional and not supported.
[07:50] <caturOK> oh dear
[07:50] <skalpel> cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dec/hdc'. Cannot open SCSI driver.
[07:50] <caturOK> no body help me here
[07:50] <barkley> holycow, colony2 is a mystery of massive breakage
[07:50] <caturOK> hm
[07:50] <lunitik> skalpel, then thats not where it is....
[07:50] <caturOK> why why why why
[07:50] <shammy>  Why would I get this error: cannot insert ndiswrapper, operation not permitted. when running this command, sudo modprobe ndiswrapper ?
[07:50] <Beuno> holycrow: how can I be a dd on debian?
[07:50] <lunitik> skalpel, I'm not there, I can't tell you where its plugged in physically...
[07:50] <holycow> barkley, inded :) i did manage to get breezy installed yesterday and xorg running, the new nautilus is spiffy
[07:50] <skalpel> lunitik: how do i get a list of devices on my computer?
[07:50] <barkley> shammy, yes
[07:50] <caturOK> if i'm ask here
[07:50] <f_newton> day 3 with Ubuntu and I am finally getting used to the different "look" ... this system runs really well but I am having serious problems with evolution.
[07:51] <elwood> skalpel, lspci
[07:51] <caturOK> no body give the answer
[07:51] <skalpel> thank you
[07:51] <lunitik> elwood, he needs to know where a drive is located...
[07:51] <barkley> holycow, colony 2 gnome was completely broken for me.  luckily i got ndiswrapper and everything updated from the console
[07:51] <holycow> barkley, in all honesty, i doubt there will ever be such a policy regarding unstable releases
[07:51] <lunitik> elwood, not what he actually asked
[07:51] <teferi> okay, something is seriously borked with the newest breezy kernel
[07:51] <teferi> /dev/input/mice is gone
[07:51] <caturOK> helpppppppppppp
[07:51] <shammy> barkley: why would I get that error?
[07:51] <lunitik> teferi, indeed
[07:51] <caturOK> S.O.S
[07:51] <Mondoshawan> hi all i found a bug an the macromedia flash Player 7 for linux on some webpages the fonts ar invisible sombody knows about it something??
[07:51] <teferi> and the new linux-restricted-module setup doesn't seem to work
[07:51] <caturOK> :(
[07:51] <f_newton> what is umax caturOK ?
[07:51] <skalpel> well, i do not see it listed here
[07:51] <caturOK> 2500
[07:51] <teferi> lunitik: anyone working on this? :P
[07:51] <f_newton> and why you speak so broken?
[07:52] <MadForest> is it possible to install without booting from CD?
[07:52] <holycow> Beuno, thats a good question ... generally it requires you to be sponsored by a dd first, before you gain their trust to upload
[07:52] <DRPAS> gregg_: But when i go into dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it dont have the via option in the drivers list
[07:52] <lunitik> teferi, no... they are going to release it like that
[07:52] <barkley> holycow, what i really mean is on the development list people come in and say "don't update right now", do developers/maintainers confirm or deny that?
[07:52] <caturOK> cause i'm from BALI
[07:52] <caturOK> sorry if my english not very well
[07:52] <f_newton> ahhh its been the dream of many here to take a trip to bali
[07:52] <teferi> lunitik: har
[07:52] <lunitik> teferi, Ubuntu is just that popular that we needn't care about the quality of software anymore
[07:52] <holycow> Beuno, i'm not a dd, it might be best to research the debian.org site regarding that question :/ i wish i could be more specific
[07:52] <caturOK> cause i'm from BALI
[07:52] <Beuno> holycrow:  :)  tnx, so you dont see it like a good idea to go with the ubuntu name?
[07:52] <teferi> lunitik: yes, you're very funny, give yourself a round of applause
[07:52] <skalpel> how can i find out what device node my cd drive is using?
[07:52] <barkley> shammy, you need to sudo to install a driver
[07:53] <lunitik> teferi, ok... and while you're at it... read the topic
[07:53] <Mondoshawan> Somebody also have the same bug with flash player 7? *invisible fonts* ???
[07:53] <caturOK> i'm a ready update xsane
[07:53] <elwood> skalpel, that's different..is mounted?
[07:53] <f_newton> lunitik, So yer adopting the fedora method?
[07:53] <holycow> barkley, neither, status on unstable is always considered borked until release time, with the provisio that if you are going to run it and have the skills submit bugfixes
[07:53] <DRPAS> gregg_: But when i go into dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it dont have the via option in the drivers list
[07:53] <lunitik> f_newton, no... I was adopting sarcasm
[07:53] <caturOK> but why my UMAX 2500 couldn't detect
[07:53] <shammy> barkley: already have
[07:53] <kaffeend> can anyone tell me how to change the s c r ee n res without needing the cd please?
[07:53] <skalpel> elwood: no, i do not think so.
[07:53] <MadForest> Can anyone help: is it possible to install without booting from CD?
[07:53] <skalpel> elwood: how would i know?
[07:54] <thoreauputic> !resolution
[07:54] <ubotu> from memory, resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:54] <teferi> lunitik: just for the record, i've been running debian and debian-derived distributions for the past seven years, i've been running the unstable branch of ubuntu for months now, i'm not an idiot, please don't treat me like one
[07:54] <elwood> skalpel, type mount and see
[07:54] <caturOK> xsetup.sh
[07:54] <f_newton> ditto lunitik
[07:54] <teferi> all I was asking is if it's a known problem and if so if anyone had any idea what the timeframe for a fix is
[07:54] <caturOK> Can anyone help: is it possible to install without booting from CD? <<<<< xsetup.sh
[07:54] <barkley> holycow, i guess the point is we can run breezy, but not have major X/desktop breakage.  it doesn't really matter if totem fucks up (as usual), but if the desktop won't boot then we have a problem
[07:54] <lunitik> teferi, so I'm not allowed to call you an idiot for not reading the bugzilla or topic here?
[07:55] <holycow> Beuno, i would say no, ubuntu is the only distro that takes a delta off of debian every 6 months, although i cannot be called debian, it functionally is basically debian polished for a specific workload (so far desktop ... not sure about server)
[07:55] <teferi> lunitik: the "X is still broken" thing has been there for months now...
[07:55] <barkley> lunitik, no you're not dicksmack ;)
[07:55] <teferi> let's see how well it works in lynx, eh.
[07:55] <lunitik> teferi, breezy is very broken... it would be comparible to running experimental
[07:55] <f_newton> what is a restricted module?  smacks of something I don't like thinking about
[07:55] <holycow> Beuno, so strategically it makes more sense to have your work poured into debian directly and it should be automagically picked up by ubuntu within the right time frame
[07:56] <teferi> f_newton: drives like madwifi, fglrx, nvidia...
[07:56] <teferi> drivers, even
[07:56] <elwood> skalpel, than read your /etc/fstab and search for it
[07:56] <lunitik> f_newton, restricted modules are non-free modules... ie nvidia
[07:56] <emre> hi all, please help!!, I've had to change my monitor because the other one broke but now I can only get 640x480 / 60Hz?
[07:56] <barkley> shammy, what exactly is your error message when you sudo modprobe ndiswrapper?
[07:56] <f_newton> lunitik, they are freely offered in other distros
[07:56] <f_newton> they are open source replacements
[07:56] <MadForest> xsetup.sh? What does this file do? is it a text file with instructions?
[07:56] <holycow> emre, change your horizontal and vertical refresh rates for your moni in xorg.conf.  you can find those either on the back of yoru moni or by googling
[07:56] <james> emre - whats in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[07:56] <Factor[Y] > emre, configure xorg.conf (that helpped me)
[07:56] <lunitik> f_newton, other than SUSE (who pay for distribution of such drivers) name one
[07:56] <f_newton> fedora
[07:56] <lunitik> no
[07:56] <thoreauputic> !tell emre about resolution
[07:56] <Beuno> holycow: I agree, only that my idea is more based on a webpage and a Firefox extension then on actual Ubuntu
[07:56] <f_newton> ok... you tell me about fedora
[07:56] <emre> Identifier	"HM204D DT"
[07:57] <emre> 	Option		"DPMS"
[07:57] <lunitik> f_newton, fedora you have to get them from 3rd party locations
[07:57] <emre> #DisplaySize 270 203   1024x768 96dpi
[07:57] <emre> 	#DisplaySize 338 254 # 1280x960 96dpi
[07:57] <emre> 	#DisplaySize 338 270 # 1280x1024 96dpi
[07:57] <emre> 	#DisplaySize 370 277 # 1400x1050 96dpi
[07:57] <emre> 	#DisplaySize 423 370 # 1600x1400 96dpi
[07:57] <shammy> barkley: I'm on windows right now since I don't have net on ubuntu, but it's Cannot insert ndiswraper (/lib/modules/2.6.10~) Operation not permitted
[07:57] <F0ckF3ar22>  is there a debian chat room
[07:57] <skalpel> elwood" /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[07:57] <thoreauputic> emre:  /topic - please don't paste in the channel
[07:57] <barkley> shammy, ok make sure you have the right ndiswrapper for your kernel
[07:57] <shammy> F0ckF3ar22: /j #debian
[07:57] <jAvier0> hi everyone
[07:57] <lunitik> shammy, you used sudo to issue that command right?
[07:57] <kaffeend> is there a way to adjust my re fresh rate without a cd please anybody? this 60hz rate is killing me
[07:57] <emre> sorry
[07:57] <barkley> emre: yeah, those setting rock
[07:57] <Factor[Y] > emre, you must change values of horizontal and vertical synch (sorry for my bad english)
[07:57] <shammy> lunitik: yes
[07:58] <holycow> Beuno, if its not 'very ubuntu specific' i would say that it belongs in debian my self.  perhaps others disagree but i don't see the ubuntu team being interested in a permanent fork of any particular set of packages
[07:58] <f_newton> lunitik, no they are in the repos... the drivers written by nvidia are offered by nvidia ...ati is not very cooperative though
[07:58] <elwood> skalpel,  so your device is /dev/hdc and the mount point is /media/cdrom0
[07:58] <MadForest> one more try in case anyone is listening: is it possible to install without booting from CD?
[07:58] <shammy> barkley: how do i check that?
[07:58] <lunitik> f_newton, trust me... they are not in Fedora
[07:58] <barkley> Shachaf,  cat /proc/version
[07:58] <jAvier0> i was reading the forums, and somebody recomended told me something about been a 'dd in debian', and i have no idea what that is. anyone here knows?
[07:58] <skalpel> elwood: yes, should i mount it now?
[07:58] <NetGeek> does anyone here use CMS for their web site?
[07:58] <f_newton> lunitik lol no offense dude, but I know they are
[07:58] <elwood> skalpel, you need to mount?
[07:58] <Beuno> holycow: I agree, just, its not a package, it would interact through firefox
[07:58] <emre> will the monitor identify itself again if I just delete the monitor section?
[07:58] <elwood> skalpel,  insert a cd
[07:58] <kaffeend> Madforest maybe torrent it?
[07:58] <barkley> shammy, what's your chipset?
[07:58] <f_newton> up to a point that is
[07:59] <holycow> jAvier0, debian developer, browse debian.org to see how you can become a dd
[07:59] <MikeW> I'm about to install ubuntu warty. I'd like to install apache and mysql. Is there a place I can get the apache binary from. I won't want to have to compile it from source. Mysql seem to provide a LOT of binaries on their website but I'm not sure which one to pick.
[07:59] <f_newton> I need to clarify that lunitik
[07:59] <f_newton> up to a point
[07:59] <holycow> jAvier0, its the easiest way to get your work into ubuntu i think
[07:59] <MadForest> Kaffeend I torrented the CD image, but can't boot to CD
[07:59] <starseed> hmm, the gnome-bittorrent client is kind of nice .. has ul cap
[07:59] <barkley> MikeW, dude, synaptic is your friend
[07:59] <caturOK> why why why why
[07:59] <kaffeend> hmmm
[07:59] <MikeW> barkley: The machine doesn't have internet access, so it ISN'T my friend
[07:59] <caturOK> why my umax couldn't detect
[07:59] <jAvier0> holycox, thank you!
[07:59] <lunitik> f_newton, nv is in Fedora... Fedora contains no proprietary software
[07:59] <MadForest> Kaffeend: CD is good, computer bios doesnt support CD boot
[07:59] <f_newton> caturOK, you will get a lot more help if you use patience and not be so demanding
[07:59] <lunitik> f_newton, please don't argue with me
[07:59] <kaffeend> oh
[07:59] <lunitik> thanks
[07:59] <thoreauputic> MikeW: you can get all that with apt or synaptic: it's all in the repositories
[07:59] <holycow> Beuno, well having a firefox extension might best be served as purely an ff extention from the moz website? then later you can package it up for debian and consequently ubuntu if you like?
[08:00] <james> Not sure at which point it got fixed - but I've got LPR working again with a combo of apt-get install --reinstall cupsys-bsd and dpkg-reconfigure - and a chmod 1777 /var/tmp
[08:00] <kaffeend> well, at least you got a reply dude :P
[08:00] <shammy> barkley: i will look
[08:00] <caturOK> hu?
[08:00] <barkley> f_newton, no shit. maybe these greedy fucks should pay for tech support
[08:00] <DVSoftware> hey, something wierd happened to me right now
[08:00] <kaffeend> flash your bios?
[08:00] <MikeW> thoreauputic: again, the machine doesn't have internet access so I won't be able to get it through any repositries. I need to find a link to a binary from this machine and download it
[08:00] <f_newton> lunitik you are right fedora contains NO proprietary software and the nv drivers are provided as open source drivers
[08:00] <holycow> james, hehe, yes that works sometimes indeed
[08:00] <barkley> shammy, use device manager to see what you have
[08:00] <teferi> lunitik: could you perhaps give me relevant the bugzilla bug number? i can't seem to track down a bug with useful information relevant to the issue
[08:00] <caturOK> cause i needed dood
[08:00] <barkley> shammy, or lspci
[08:00] <kaffeend> MadForest try flashing your BIOS
[08:00] <lunitik> f_newton, nv is open source... but its not official in any way
[08:00] <DVSoftware> i've started nvidia-settings and got segmentation fault
[08:01] <f_newton> barkley If I have to learn to be nice (which is hard for me believe me) you should too
[08:01] <shammy> barkley: not on linux, I don't have net on it
[08:01] <Beuno> jAvier0: pete
[08:01] <DVSoftware> then i rebooted my computer
[08:01] <din> how do i add xdm to the default runlevel?
[08:01] <f_newton> lunitik, I will concede and stop
[08:01] <lunitik> teferi, search for breezy ... all those results are relivant to you.
[08:01] <thoreauputic> MikeW: OK - but you will have dependencies to satisfy - you can explore packages.ubuntu.com
[08:01] <DVSoftware> and nvidia logo shows and x crashes with segfault
[08:01] <barkley> f_newton, i wasn't talking about you. i was talking about those greedy fucks that demand answers
[08:01] <shammy> barkley: it is prism2
[08:01] <MadForest> kaffeend: it will take a lot more work to find the bios/ if it's possible to install with booting to cd. I thought I would check here first; but this channel is kinda busy with non-help stuff right now
[08:01] <holycow> f_newton, rofl about the nice comment
[08:01] <holycow> >_>
[08:02] <barkley> shammy, isn't prism2 supported by the kernel?
[08:02] <kaffeend> I know :(
[08:02] <elwood> skalpel, works?
[08:02] <jAvier0> Beuno, thanx for your help ;)
[08:02] <holycow> barkley, yes, but debian distros dont ship with prism2 firmware
[08:02] <barkley> shammy, or prism was
[08:02] <MadForest> Does anyone else have anyidea if it is possible to install without booting to the CD?
[08:02] <jAvier0> bai everyone
[08:02] <jAvier0> exit
[08:02] <holycow> barkley, that must be downloaded from the prism website
[08:02] <f_newton> barkley, I know you werent referring to me...
[08:02] <holycow> barkley, at which piont you can modprobe the drivers and it will work
[08:02] <barkley> f_newton, no, i won't be nice unless i feel like being nice
[08:02] <shammy> barkley: i'm not sure, i;m new to linux but everyone has told me I will need ndiswrapper.
[08:02] <kaffeend> maybe me tho
[08:02] <lunitik> MadForest, wiki.ubuntu.com/Install lists several install methods
[08:02] <kaffeend> someone fucking HELP me!
[08:02] <jab9417> Greetings all.
[08:02] <barkley> shammy, according to holycow you need to get the prism2 firmware from their website
[08:03] <MadForest> lunitik: thanks!
[08:03] <holycow> barkley, oh wrong person, sorry
[08:03] <lunitik> !tell kaffeend about smartask
[08:03] <barkley> f_newton, see..kaffeend is prime example
[08:03] <Razor-X> !smartask
[08:03] <ubotu> it has been said that smartask is http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[08:03] <thoreauputic> MikeW: to make it a bit easier you can run apt-cache depends <package> to see dependencies needed for a package
[08:03] <lunitik> kaffeend, read that and come back showing that you learned something
[08:03] <holycow> shammy, the prism website has a download link, and on there are instructions on WHERE to put the firmware
[08:03] <f_newton> barkley, they have a code of conduct here that they will enforce... Ive read it and it is not in any way unreasonable... sometimes it may be hard for me to rememeber but its a legitimate expectation and therefore acceptable
[08:03] <kaffeend> ok
[08:03] <din> anyone know how to add things to the default runlevel?
[08:03] <din> i forget the command
[08:03] <holycow> shammy, after you put the firmware on y our system, you should b e able to modprobe for your prism card and it should work
[08:03] <jab9417> Can anyone point me to a "How To" or a site with some thoughts on aunticating a Ubuntu box to a Windows AD server.
[08:04] <shammy> barkley: Ok thanks
[08:04] <barkley> f_newton, try reading. i wasn't referring to anyone in particular
[08:04] <barkley> f_newton, until kaffeend showed up
[08:04] <lunitik> MadForest, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation
[08:04] <jab9417> authenicating.. that is.
[08:04] <lunitik> MadForest, sorry
[08:04] <MikeW> thoreauputic: I wish some linux distro made it easy for users to go to a website, download a package that was self contained, would install on any linux distro and 'just work' rather than all this apt-whatever stuff
[08:04] <barkley> MikeW, that's autopackage
[08:05] <barkley> MikeW, and I agree
[08:05] <MadForest> lunitik: found it already. thanks; just needed a direction to read. I didn't see the wiki before
[08:05] <Factor[Y] > maby there is some command that converts .tar.gz to .deb?
[08:05] <highvoltage> MikeW: why!?
[08:05] <nl123456> can someone help me, im trying out ubuntu software and i have some questions about it
[08:05] <Beuno> well, thanks, bye
[08:05] <f_newton> barkley I feel I am only dragging this out by responding to you.  One man's ceiling is another man's floor.
[08:05] <barkley> MikeW, repositories work well to a certain point, but fail with ISVs and independent developers
[08:05] <holycow> MikeW, the day that happens linux will become an infested cesspool of spyware that windows is right now
[08:05] <elwood> what do you use for monitoring temperature?
[08:05] <james> nl123456, which questions?
[08:05] <barkley> anybody that thinks repositories is the only answer is brain damaged
[08:05] <concept10> MikeW,  Why go backwards?  Autopackage is a good solution.
[08:05] <nl123456> how do you log in as "root"
[08:06] <james> you can do most things via sudo
[08:06] <f_newton> hey concept10 yer either up early or late
[08:06] <f_newton> how are ya?
[08:06] <nl123456> and install programs
[08:06] <barkley> who wants to be slave to repositories.  people want freedom
[08:06] <james> if you want to login as root you need to first do    sudo passwd    to set the root password
[08:06] <MikeW> concept10: yes. If there was an autopackage thing for apache and mysql, I would be so happy :D
[08:06] <concept10> f_newton, doing fine.  I dont goto work until 5pm
[08:06] <lunitik> barkley, I'd rather be free from searching the web for apps...
[08:06] <skalpel> elwood" no, not at all.
[08:06] <holycow> people want freedome, but people are not prepared to accept responsibility for freedome
[08:06] <james> then you can go     su     to switch to the root user
[08:06] <concept10> MikeW, why do you need that though?
[08:06] <f_newton> the night shift.... brrr been there done that...for years
[08:06] <kaffeend> okay... I am currently seeing a 60hz refresh rate and I want to get it up to about 85 hz, but I cannot use my cdrom drive as it is broken. Is there another way for me to set my screen's refresh rate please?
[08:06] <Factor[Y] > maby there is some command that converts .tar.gz to .deb?
[08:06] <barkley> lunitik, i don't want to be a slave to repositories. i want freedom
[08:07] <james> barkley, try gentoo then :-)
[08:07] <lunitik> barkley, then waste time looking for software... have fun
[08:07] <concept10> MikeW, you can install more than one application at once with APT
[08:07] <LordSur0> hi
[08:07] <elwood> skalpel, where is the problem?
[08:07] <nl123456> ?????????
[08:07] <Factor[Y] > kaffeend, i dont get it cdrom and refresh rate...
[08:07] <lunitik> james, Gentoo still has a repository... Portage is a repository
[08:07] <thoreauputic> MikeW: one of the issues is that self-contained packages have to have all libraries etc statically compiled which increases size (among other things) It's true that autopackage goes some way to solving this stuff but it has a ways to go
[08:07] <LordSur0> i need install a server of jabber in ubuntu!!! help!
[08:07] <MikeW> concept10: because the machine i'm installing on doesn't have internet access
[08:07] <MadForest> lunitik: the info I needed was there. Thanks again!
[08:07] <lunitik> (well, what it points to is)
[08:07] <Razor-X> Factor[Y] : .tar.gz is an archive, .deb contains packages in a form that Debian can install
[08:07] <skalpel> elwood: here maybe: hdc: media error (bad sector): status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
[08:07] <lunitik> MadForest, you're welcome
[08:07] <concept10> MikeW, Oh, okay.
[08:08] <kaffeend> Factor[Y]  apparently, I need to install some packages to change/correct the refresh rate
[08:08] <concept10> MikeW, what about downloading the packages and put them on CD rom?
[08:08] <elwood> skalpel, change cdrom and try
[08:08] <lunitik> Factor[Y] , I believe alien can do that actually...
[08:08] <barkley> anybody that thinks repositories are the only answer needs to start thinking clearly.  autopackage solves the problem with other software
[08:08] <kaffeend> but I can't install them from cd
[08:08] <holycow> MikeW, i think its time someone writes up a page about the pros and cons of libraries/repositories/user freedom
[08:08] <Razor-X> lunitik: alien works with RPMs
[08:08] <f_newton> I have this little straightpin wire harness that gets internet access anywhere there's a telephoneline
[08:08] <lunitik> Factor[Y] , Razor-X, for the record, a .deb is simple a tar.gz with pre and post install scripts
[08:08] <barkley> holycow, there was already a thread on the forums about that
[08:08] <f_newton> its from the old days
[08:09] <MikeW> thoreauputic: as a user, I couldn't care about that kind of stuff. I only want to go to a vendors website, download the installer like I can with windows, store it on a usb key and bring it to another machine and install... like I can on windows
[08:09] <holycow> MikeW, the problem is that each has a consequence, and depending on the users preference each one can give them a bad experience
[08:09] <spanglesontoast> how do I use the sleep program
[08:09] <barkley> repositories solve about 90% of the problem
[08:09] <barkley> autopackage solves the other 10%
[08:09] <Razor-X> lunitik: but, a .tar.gz can contain many things
[08:09] <lunitik> Razor-X, alien works with several package formats
[08:09] <Razor-X> non-program files, compilation files
[08:09] <thoreauputic> MikeW: I understand your frustration
[08:09] <f_newton> he feels yer pain MikeW
[08:09] <f_newton> heh
[08:09] <holycow> barkley, ah, link MikeW to that, it should give him a nice overview.  i don't like to tell people how to think, but outline the issues surrounding their query
[08:09] <Razor-X> I doubt one program has the capability to convert the majority of the .tar.gz's into .debs
[08:09] <lunitik> Razor-X, man alien ... not tgz ... tar.gz and tgz are one and the same
[08:10] <jab9417>  Can anyone point me to a "How To" or a site with some thoughts on aunthenticating a Ubuntu box to a Windows AD server? Or perhaps authenticating to a Open LDAP server?
[08:10] <nl123456> i need some help
[08:10] <spanglesontoast> how do I use the sleep program?
[08:10] <barkley> i was thinking about how autopackage could use dbus to query any distro for their ability to handle autopackages...like gobolinux, or foresight...gentoo, whatever
[08:10] <Strife> does anyone know if it's possible to directly use irssi with a proxy?
[08:10] <Factor[Y] > kaffeend, just use correct vertical and horizontal rates of your monitor in xorg.conf (use google for vertical and horizontal rates)
[08:10] <nl123456> how do you log in as root?
[08:10] <Strife> not the irssiproxy stuff, I want to connect to IRC servers via a proxy
[08:10] <Razor-X> lunitik: even if it did work, i'ld expect it to give very limited functionality
[08:10] <concept10> I tried to use autopackage to install some software and it didnt work for me
[08:10] <kaffeend> Factor[Y]  ok
[08:10] <concept10> !rootsudo
[08:10] <ubotu> rootsudo is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:10] <Razor-X> I doubt alien can change my uncompiled MPlayer into a nice deb package
[08:10] <kaffeend> thanks
[08:11] <holycow> Razor-X, heh
[08:11] <barkley> whatchya talking about willis
[08:11] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: sleep 10 && runsomecommand   >> runs the command after 10 seconds
[08:11] <lunitik> Razor-X, it will turn a binary tar.gz into a .deb... what more functionality do you want?
[08:11] <gregg_> Strife: socks proxy?
[08:11] <lunitik> Razor-X, read the damn man page
[08:11] <nl123456> what?
[08:11] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: as an example...
[08:11] <Razor-X> lunitik: .......
[08:11] <spanglesontoast> ah ty
[08:11] <Factor[Y] > kaffeend, don't mention it (once again my poor poor english...)
[08:11] <concept10> lunitik, alien does that?
[08:11] <skalpel> elwood: this drive works fine, it is a software problem
[08:11] <lunitik> concept10, yes...
[08:11] <spanglesontoast> I needed that weird bit between
[08:11] <Strife> gregg_: yes
[08:11] <holycow> barkley, thats in interesting point about the 90/10 split ... using autopackage users are running all software unpriviledged correct?
[08:11] <Razor-X> lunitik: I am reading the manpage, but it can compile my MPlayer?
[08:12] <concept10> okay, im going to make this Nvu deb
[08:12] <lunitik> Razor-X, if you're asking that, then you're not reading the man page
[08:12] <barkley> holycow, i belive so.  i've never used it because i just compile whatever that i need that isn't in repo
[08:12] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast:  && means the second part will only run if the part to the left completes without error
[08:12] <Razor-X> lunitik: I want to make the point known in the channel
[08:12] <holycow> barkley, sasme here
[08:12] <f_newton> lunitik, i havent been able to get alien to do that... ive changed rpms to deb but not tgz
[08:12] <gregg_> Strife: it's possible, but I don't know how
[08:12] <dimitris> Any crack-attack fans! I became addicted!!! :-D
[08:12] <barkley> holycow, but we need point-n-click for the newbies/windows users
[08:12] <spanglesontoast> erm
[08:12] <spanglesontoast> how do i make it into hours?
[08:12] <lunitik> Razor-X, just let them read the man page instead of being pedantic
[08:12] <gregg_> you might want to use socksify or something similar
[08:12] <shammy> barkley: I cannot find prisms site with their firmware, do you have a link? It seems there are around 3billion companies named prism
[08:13] <concept10> What is that little status bar in Xchat underneath the user names??
[08:13] <barkley> shammy, no i don't
[08:13] <Razor-X> lunitik: being bookish? ;)
[08:13] <f_newton> shammy try intersil
[08:13] <dr_willis> concept10,  its a lag bar
[08:13] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast:  e.g. sleep 8h && playloudmusic ;)
[08:13] <barkley> shammy, actually who makes your card...not the chipset manufacturer
[08:13] <spanglesontoast> ah
[08:13] <spanglesontoast> ty
[08:13] <f_newton> the intersil prism2 driver
[08:13] <holycow> barkley, i will only accept that idea IF it is within some type of 'unpriviledged' setup where the repo acts as their main 'trusted' source
[08:13] <Strife> gregg_: all right, I'll look into it... thanks
[08:13] <dimitris> How can i start a new game when i play --solo without restarting the game everytime?
[08:13] <lunitik> concept10, they show lag time and something else
[08:13] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: really,  man sleep - it isn't hard :)
[08:13] <kaffeend> Factor[Y]  what is xorg.conf?
[08:13] <Razor-X> dimitris: what game?
[08:13] <barkley> holycow, what repo in the context of autopackage?
[08:13] <holycow> my accepting the idea means nothing tho, hehe :)
[08:14] <dimitris> Razor-X, Crack-attack
[08:14] <concept10> Oh, I thought it was telling how cool I was (only 25%)
[08:14] <Factor[Y] > kaffeend, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:14] <spanglesontoast> it didn't say anything about that
[08:14] <lunitik> concept10, lag and throttle ... no idea what throttle is for though, never seen it move
[08:14] <kaffeend> thanks
[08:14] <lunitik> barkley, autopackage is in main I think... at worst in universe
[08:14] <shammy> barkley: netgear, it's a usb adapter, WG111
[08:15] <spanglesontoast> I shall sleep now ty
[08:15] <spanglesontoast> :)
[08:15] <f_newton> oh thats a whole different problem
[08:15] <Razor-X> dimitris: it continues of the last game?
[08:15] <concept10> f_newton, someone broke into my sisters house and stole her laptop and her husbands desktop while they were sleeping
[08:15] <kaffeend> Factor[Y]  just get> bash: etc/X11/xorg.conf: No such file or directory
[08:15] <f_newton> oh man!  thats rough...
[08:15] <concept10> f_newton, can you believe that?
[08:15] <barkley> shammy, not sure what to tell you..now that you brought usb into the mix, but i would try and do what holycow suggested and get the firmware
[08:15] <lunitik> kaffeend, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:15] <f_newton> they need a dog
[08:15] <lunitik> kaffeend, the first / is important
[08:16] <barkley> lunitik, yeah, but that's just the actual tool autopackage
[08:16] <kaffeend> oops :s
[08:16] <{cYanide}> hey er i tried to install ubuntu and erm, my screen res is like limited to 640 480 (i have an intel inbuild graphics adapter (scary things)) any ideas on a fix?
[08:16] <concept10> f_newton, crawled through a window
[08:16] <Razor-X> !tell {cYanide} about resolution
[08:16] <thoreauputic> pity spangles left.. the man page for "sleep" is tiny and clearly says:  SUFFIX may be s for seconds (the default),
[08:16] <thoreauputic>        m for minutes, h for hours or d for days.
[08:16] <f_newton> but yes I can believe it... they live in Oak Cliff? or should I say el cliffo de oaka?
[08:16] <Factor[Y] > kaffeend, use / before etc like /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:16] <barkley> lunitik, holycow was talking about unprivledged which i'm not sure he's getting at
[08:16] <dimitris> Razor-X, I use crack-attack --solo to play a one player game but when it finishes i can't start a new game. I have to exit the game and start it again to play one more game and so on!
[08:16] <concept10> f_newton, somewhere in connecticut
[08:16] <f_newton> in connecticut?>
[08:17] <f_newton> I thought those were nice educated people way up there?
[08:17] <kaffeend> what about: bash: /etc/X11/xorg.conf: Permission denied
[08:17] <barkley> so what is the relationship of the cairo dependency to gtk+ in breezy right now.  i haven't really seen much slowdown
[08:17] <kaffeend> sudo?
[08:17] <lunitik> f_newton, well off families have crack head kids too
[08:17] <concept10> f_newton, I thought the same but I guess thieves are everywhere along with them.
[08:17] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:17] <f_newton> I had a couple of people try to break into my car while I was standing ten feet from it last weekend
[08:17] <kaffeend> k
[08:17] <concept10> f_newton, where?
[08:17] <barkley> test
[08:18] <Strife> heh, I get "aborted: core dump" when I try to socksify irssi
[08:18] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: you think that file should be accessible to users? *grin*
[08:18] <f_newton> its not the well off bit lunitik its the culture of taking what they want
[08:18] <lunitik> f_newton, addiction is a bitch
[08:18] <buntu-a> hoy...................... please help me , i lost my pass root ...
[08:18] <jwage> Hey i'm on a laptop and i just got a new FlatScreen LCD Monitor. What all do I have to do to get it to work on Linux? (Edit xorg.conf where??)  anything else?
[08:18] <concept10> heh
[08:18] <Razor-X> Strife: SSH is better than SOCKS
[08:18] <f_newton> I run a homeless ministry lunitik and I deal with this kind of thing on a very large scale daily
[08:18] <lunitik> buntu-a, no you didn't...
[08:18] <jwage> can someone point me to a tutorial,or howto or site ?
[08:18] <lunitik> !tell buntu-a about root
[08:18] <Razor-X> !tell buntu-a about rootsudo
[08:18] <_SWAT_> jwage, edit xorg.conf (espcially the refresh rate)
[08:18] <kaffeend> Success!
[08:18] <holycow> barkley, i consider repositories a community vetted source of software, the filtering system for keeping crap out is amazing, particularly spyware.  the moment we allow windows type installation linux is forever gone down the windows spyware route imho
[08:19] <jwage> _SWAT_, but what do I edit?
[08:19] <Strife> Razor-X: technically, I am using SSH... SSH tunneling, that is
[08:19] <kaffeend> thanks everyone
[08:19] <jwage> _SWAT_, where can i find some documentation on it?
[08:19] <lunitik> f_newton, I just got out of jail... I've seen it from a very different perspective
[08:19] <{cYanide}> one more thing, er i have a usb adsl modem, and i need some info on how to install it (its a sagem 800 fast)
[08:19] <Razor-X> Strife: then what went wrong?
[08:19] <_SWAT_> jwage, look for a passage with the word refresh in it :D
[08:19] <thoreauputic> jwage: no, run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:19] <Strife> Razor-X: but in most applications where I can set the proxy protocol, socks works
[08:19] <concept10> !bot
[08:19] <ubotu> Indeed, that is what I am.
[08:19] <f_newton> been there too, mostly because I feed homeless people, but yeah I can understand
[08:19] <Strife> Razor-X: no idea, it just says core dump without actually showing me any of the problems
[08:19] <_SWAT_> jwage, man xorg.conf
[08:19] <jwage> thoreauputic, will it recognize my new monitor?
[08:19] <Razor-X> Strife: gotta love descriptive error problems ;)
[08:19] <_SWAT_> my problem: I'm just new to SciTE and want to customize it. So I edit foreground and backgroundcolor for my current user. (also tested as global). But somehow SciTE won't use the config. How come?
[08:20] <thoreauputic> jwage: most likely yes
[08:20] <lunitik> f_newton, criminals tell other criminals things they would never tell someone outside the system
[08:20] <barkley> holycow, dude, i'm not buying that argument.  people should be allowed to install whatever software they want.  this isn't some marxist state where the repository masters are the politburu
[08:20] <f_newton> lunitik, you give them too much credit
[08:20] <Razor-X> _SWAT_: did I reccomend you to SciTE? ;)
[08:20] <buntu-a> how about pass admin,,,,????
[08:20] <holycow> barkley, *nod* i don't think anyone is stopping them.  you and i both install software
[08:20] <thoreauputic> jwage: if you are nervous choose the vesa driver to get it running, then you can rerun that command to fine tune
[08:20] <lunitik> barkley, name a peice of software on linux, and I can show you a repository that includes it
[08:20] <_SWAT_> Razor-X, don't think so. But I already checked the FAQ/Dox :-|
[08:20] <Razor-X> !tell buntu-a about root
[08:20] <hondje> that was a piss poor troll
[08:20] <holycow> barkley, do you think there is a way to perhaps 'label' safe software in some way?
[08:20] <lunitik> f_newton, I really don't...
[08:20] <barkley> holycow, yes, me and you have no problem with ./configure && make && make install
[08:21] <_SWAT_> Razor-X, why do you use SciTE ?
[08:21] <Razor-X> _SWAT_: hmmmm... I'm not sure, really
[08:21] <Razor-X> _SWAT_: I used to use it on a Windows box
[08:21] <f_newton> most of these sneak thieves dont really think they are wrong... they feel its your fault for being so stupid as to leave your stuff where they can get it
[08:21] <gregg_> Strife: tsocks or dante-client should work in case (and with any program, for that matter)
[08:21] <concept10> ubotu, botjunkie is probably someone that uses me so much my internal scripts wear-down, or maybe someone named Razor-X or thoreauputic :)
[08:21] <ubotu> okay, concept10
[08:21] <Razor-X> for a GUI, SciTE is really nice and clean-cut
[08:21] <concept10> heh
[08:21] <barkley> holycow, why treat your users as children. listen, you and I install source code and we don't look at the source
[08:21] <lunitik> f_newton, why are you telling me this... ?
[08:21] <barkley> holycow, we don't know what the hell it really does
[08:21] <holycow> barkley, okay i see your point about freedom, but how do we help the users know whats 'safe' and whats not? within the context of spyware and viruses?
[08:21] <f_newton> dont know
[08:21] <barkley> holycow, you don't
[08:21] <_SWAT_> Razor-X, I use it on my Ubuntu box. But somehow it won't accept my properties. (I used apt-get to install it)
[08:22] <concept10> Razor-X, did you see that? :)
[08:22] <teferi> there, hacked around the missing device node...
[08:22] <holycow> you don't?
[08:22] <thoreauputic> concept10: I'm glad you said "use" and not "abuse" ;)
[08:22] <lunitik> f_newton, like I said... I was in jail, just got out a week ago... I know full well the mind set of the criminal
[08:22] <holycow> lol i couldnt' disagree with that more
[08:22] <concept10> thoreauputic, you like that one?
[08:22] <hondje> A user wants a piece of software, they want it the easiest way possible. That's what the repositories are full. If newbies wanted to work, they'd all go LFS
[08:22] <Razor-X> _SWAT_: can you force it to open a config file, like pass it a parameter?
[08:22] <barkley> holycow, i guess if you want to be a nurse ratchett about it, then you could patch autopackage to say "note, this is not offically vetted software"
[08:22] <Razor-X> hondje: meh ;)
[08:22] <thoreauputic> concept10: sure - the bot is there to be used :)
[08:22] <f_newton> ah you learned all about criminals eh?
[08:22] <_SWAT_> Razor-X, how would I do it? (example ? )
[08:22] <holycow> a user is a child, just like a child has no business playing with fire, a user has no business administering a system, just like i have no business fixing my car without qualifications
[08:22] <f_newton> sorry was being sarcastic
[08:22] <concept10> !botjunkie
[08:22] <ubotu> botjunkie is probably probably someone that uses me so much my internal scripts wear-down, or maybe someone named Razor-X or thoreauputic :)
[08:22] <Razor-X> _SWAT_: try reading the manpage
[08:23] <Razor-X> woohoo!
[08:23] <barkley> holycow, i don't like this "official" or "safe" crap though and I don't automagically trust maintainers
[08:23] <Razor-X> i'm a botjunkie!
[08:23] <_SWAT_> Razor-X, is the parameter thing mandatory ?
[08:23] <Razor-X> ;)
[08:23] <holycow> deviating from those standards results in disaster and knowledge, and while knowledge is wanted disaster is not
[08:23] <lunitik> f_newton, yes... if there is one thing Jail definatly does, its produce better criminals
[08:23] <Razor-X> _SWAT_: possibly
[08:23] <concept10> ubotu forget botjunkie
[08:23] <ubotu> i forgot botjunkie, concept10
[08:23] <hondje> Then don't trust them, it's not like you're being forced to
[08:23] <holycow> barkley, good point, but i trust the user less
[08:23] <hondje> You can be lazy and use apt, or not
[08:23] <Razor-X> _SWAT_: but, you can then put it in a shortcut of sorts, so you just click the button, et voila
[08:23] <barkley> holycow, but the user has the freedom...or should
[08:23] <barkley> holycow, why do you care if the user is a fuckup?
[08:23] <hondje> The user has the freedom
[08:23] <Razor-X> hondje: you shouldn't restrit the user that much from choices
[08:23] <barkley> holycow, you can't "regulate" that
[08:24] <hondje> Go download something, and build it
[08:24] <Razor-X> I believe linux thrives on choice
[08:24] <lunitik> f_newton, 1000+ criminals being around each other 24/7... I will never understand why someone thought that was a good idea
[08:24] <OC-Elf> only way to learn is to play around
[08:24] <holycow> because the nature of computer systems, because of the networking effect, a fuckup affect everyone simultaneously
[08:24] <holycow> you only need one machine to infect 10' of thousands or spam relentlessly
[08:24] <f_newton> county jail lunitik ?
[08:24] <barkley> holycow, fine. let's have a gestapo-style government agency regulating our computer usage
[08:24] <holycow> barkley, your mistaken 'regulation' for 'suggestion'
[08:24] <lunitik> f_newton, jail is county... prison is state or federal
[08:24] <hondje> Prison is fun, I should /topic that
[08:24] <thoreauputic> OC-Elf: I recommend lots of reading before playing around ;)
[08:24] <f_newton> concept10, cya
[08:25] <holycow> the 'suggestion' that the community has 'voted' that a piece of software is 'safe' is not regulation
[08:25] <barkley> holycow, who the hell is "the community"?
[08:25] <buntu-a> tonk is not in the sudoers file. this insident will be reported <<<<--- ????????
[08:25] <f_newton> lunitik, you are indeed an expert..
[08:25] <holycow> barkley, everyone
[08:25] <barkley> holycow, everyone?
[08:25] <holycow> yes everyone
[08:25] <thoreauputic> buntu-a: your user doesn't have sudo privileges, clearly
[08:25] <holycow> i trust the debian community and the ubuntu community
[08:25] <barkley> holycow, then ubuntu shouldn't provide the autotools or compilers
[08:26] <holycow> i don't know any of them
[08:26] <f_newton> even us back alley fringe types
[08:26] <OC-Elf> thoreauputic, well i consider playing around a must, and then read occasionally if are stuck or messed up something, lol
[08:26] <holycow> but the communities actions have proven overall right and beneficial
[08:26] <Sonderblade> i installed kernel-i686-smp and now all apps take at most 50% cpu.. does that mean that my computer became half as fast?
[08:26] <barkley> Sonderblade, yes ;)
[08:26] <buntu-a> so................. how?????
[08:26] <barkley> hehe
[08:26] <holycow> therefore they ubuntu/debian community has filtered out for me a whole slew of issues i otherwise would haveto make a choice about on my own
[08:26] <Factor[Y] > some prog for *.rar's?
[08:26] <holycow> i didn't HAVETO use either, i could of just used linuxfromscratch.org
[08:26] <desrt> Factor[Y] ; unrar-nonfree
[08:27] <barkley> holycow.  either you have freedom or you don't
[08:27] <desrt> Factor[Y] ; if you install that program then fileroller will automatically be able to deal with rar files
[08:27] <OC-Elf> aye guys, i have been trying to get the latest kernel for ubuntu
[08:27] <thoreauputic> buntu-a: is tonk the user created on installation? If not, sudo visudo to add tonk to the sudoers file
[08:27] <desrt> OC-Elf; you already have it
[08:27] <holycow> barkley, you always have freedom, you cannot legislate away freedom
[08:27] <lunitik> buntu-a, reboot, press ESC when prompted... go to rescue mode... add yourself to the file and reboot
[08:27] <Factor[Y] > desrt, thx
[08:27] <holycow> barkley, the semantic of freedom are non negotiable
[08:27] <barkley> holycow, of course you can...but that's offtopic
[08:27] <OC-Elf> i tried apt-get install linux-tree
[08:27] <holycow> we arent talking about fredom we are talking about 'metadata' about software packages
[08:27] <kaffeend> !refresh rate
[08:27] <ubotu> kaffeend: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[08:27] <buntu-a> tonk is user...
[08:27] <desrt> OC-Elf; what are you trying to do, exactly?  install 2.6.12 on hoary?
[08:28] <lunitik> OC-Elf, linux-headers
[08:28] <lunitik> desrt, presumably install a module
[08:28] <apokryphos> kaffeend: what are you trying to do?
[08:28] <OC-Elf> desrt, hmmm nope, just the latest version of the ubuntu kernel
[08:28] <lunitik> else I get to hurt him
[08:28] <desrt> OC-Elf; cool.  you already have it, then.
[08:28] <lunitik> doh
[08:28] <lunitik> OC-Elf, apt-get install linux-686
[08:28] <kaffeend> apokryphos I need to set my screens refresh rate but I'm lost
[08:29] <kaffeend> and rapidly going blind
[08:29] <OC-Elf> lunitik, alrighty gonna give that a go now
[08:29] <lunitik> OC-Elf, chances are, you already have the latest hoary kernel
[08:29] <apokryphos> kaffeend: surely it'll be under the resolution component in gnome... whatever that is.
[08:29] <lunitik> OC-Elf, you don't want to try breezy's kernel
[08:29] <kaffeend> it is but for some reason it shows only 60 hz
[08:30] <lunitik> apokryphos, System > Preferences > Screen Resolution  ... and no
[08:30] <OC-Elf> lunitik, i currently have 2.6.10-5-386 running
[08:30] <kaffeend> so of coarse it all has to be done "by hand" and I don't have the requisite skills to do it
[08:30] <lunitik> apokryphos, if you wish to guide him through the process of adding more resolutions to xorg.conf, feel free though  ;)
[08:30] <OC-Elf> lunitik, is that the latest version of the ubuntu kernel?
[08:30] <apokryphos> kaffeend: then you have to add the option into your xorg.conf file
[08:30] <lunitik> OC-Elf, thats the latest, yes
[08:30] <apokryphos> lunitik: it would show the other refresh rates, though, if they were available.
[08:31] <kaffeend> apokryphos done that I just need to figure out what to change
[08:31] <lunitik> apokryphos, I rarely have good luck with that tool
[08:31] <apokryphos> kaffeend: easiest way is probably just to do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:31] <OC-Elf> lunitik, but the command u gave me "apt-get install linux-686" is showing some other kernel versions
[08:31] <kaffeend> gone thru three pages of google search results for screen refresh rates
[08:32] <lunitik> apokryphos, in my experience, XRANDR is very bad
[08:32] <apokryphos> lunitik: why? It's always been fine here
[08:32] <lunitik> OC-Elf, say 'y' if it asks you a question
[08:32] <lunitik> apokryphos, no idea... I usually don't bother much with it though, just do it manually...
[08:33] <apokryphos> lunitik: oh wait, I thought you said krandr.. no worries.
[08:33] <OC-Elf> lunitik, i kinda know how to use ubuntu well, just wanted to know what would be the difference betwwen the 386 and 686 kernels
[08:33] <lunitik> apokryphos, nah... running Ubuntu currently
[08:33] <lunitik> OC-Elf, chip functions
[08:33] <fakeowl> hi!
[08:34] <fakeowl> how do I execute a command after another one has closed?
[08:34] <OC-Elf> lunitik, so that would target the p4s and other more recent procs?
[08:34] <fakeowl> i want to load mplayer, then once it's done, do something else
[08:34] <fakeowl> not done loading "done" finished with, on it's exit, do something else
[08:34] <lunitik> fakeowl, somecmd && anothercmd
[08:34] <apokryphos> fakeowl: or somecmd ; somecmd
[08:35] <lunitik> apokryphos, he said once its done
[08:35] <lunitik> apokryphos, ; continues whether the previous was successful or not
[08:35] <fakeowl> thanks lunitik
[08:36] <_SWAT_> Razor-X, somehow I can't find how I could set an entire config file as a parameter. I even used google (probably missused). Can you help me out here?
[08:36] <apokryphos> lunitik: ? with the above when somecmd closes/exits somecmd2 will start
[08:36] <PurpleMotion> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO]  (rev 01)
[08:36] <PurpleMotion> YAY!
[08:36] <PurpleMotion> i have a real video card now
[08:36] <raDeon> WHO CALLED ME
[08:37] <raDeon> WHAT THE FUCK.
[08:37] <lunitik> apokryphos, somecmd && anothercmd starts somecmd, waits for it to exit normally, then runs anothercmd .... somecmd ; anothercmd just runs everything in order
[08:37] <hubsi> hello, one question... what is the newest ubuntu kernel .. 2.6.12 or 2.6.10
[08:37] <PurpleMotion> now, should i keep the xorg radeom driver or try an ati proprietary driver?
[08:37] <IcemanV9> 2.6.10
[08:37] <apokryphos> lunitik: anothercmd won't start until the somcmd process is terminated, though
[08:38] <hubsi> but why do i get Linux hnp 2.6.12-3-386 when i write uname -a ?
[08:38] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: lunitik you are both right
[08:38] <OC-Elf> hubsi, u can however download and install the vanilla kernel sources
[08:38] <PurpleMotion> fglrx is radeon, right?
[08:38] <raDeon> WHO CALLED ME
[08:38] <raDeon> WHAT THE FUCK!??
[08:38] <PurpleMotion> nobody dipshit, im talking about my video card
[08:38] <apokryphos> raDeon: please don't swear. If you wanna find out who called you do a search
[08:38] <deprave> calm down you beligerent jabberwoki.
[08:38] <raDeon> ok
[08:39] <thoreauputic> hubsi: cat /etc/issue  - are you running breezy?
[08:39] <PurpleMotion> :D
[08:39] <raDeon> i think it was PurpleMotion
[08:39] <buntu-a> how to login admin desktop?
[08:39] <raDeon> i'm not sure though
[08:39] <PurpleMotion> it was heh
[08:39] <raDeon> but it just might be
[08:39] <raDeon> HOW DARE YOU!??
[08:39] <deprave> belligerent even
[08:39] <deprave> upset
[08:39] <PurpleMotion> easy
[08:39] <apokryphos> raDeon: and quit shouting
[08:39] <lunitik> PurpleMotion, if you have some time... and some patience... couldn't do any harm
[08:39] <lunitik> buntu-a, you don't
[08:39] <PurpleMotion> lunitik:  sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx xorg-driver-fglrx-dev fglrx-control
[08:39] <PurpleMotion> heheh
[08:40] <raDeon> HELLO!???
[08:40] <thoreauputic> raDeon: pipe down or we'll sick Seveas on you ;-)
[08:40] <PurpleMotion> already have drivers
[08:40] <raDeon> WHAT!??
[08:40] <lunitik> raDeon, if you're trying to be funny... its not working... stop
[08:40] <raDeon> I'M IN A LIBRARY!
[08:40] <raDeon> A LIBRARY!!!
[08:40] <PurpleMotion> LOL
[08:40] <buntu-a>  you don't ?
[08:40] <apokryphos> raDeon: quit shouting
[08:40] <OC-Elf> true
[08:40] <PurpleMotion> lunitik:  yeah, it is
[08:40] <deprave> haha
[08:40] <raDeon> YEAH CIAO!
[08:40] <PurpleMotion> i think he's hilarius
[08:40] <hubsi> yeah.. but i installed hoary.. but now its breezy.. wth...
[08:40] <deprave> yeah that's funny.
[08:40] <OC-Elf> and your point?
[08:40] <Spudchat> hey guys how do i make a folder hidden?
[08:40] <hubsi> i'm going to get crazy
[08:40] <PurpleMotion> radeon radeon radeon radeon
[08:40] <Seveas> don't feed the trolls
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[08:40] <Choubaka> Spudchat: rename it to something with a . in front
[08:40] <raDeon2> ok i'm sorry
[08:41] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: that would be because you haven't seen him do this over and over again :)
[08:41] <Spudchat> thanks a lot
[08:41] <raDeon2> undo that i'll go back to lurking
[08:41] <Amaranth> raDeon2: Change your nick or leave, please.
[08:41] <PurpleMotion> he can't its banned
[08:41] <deprave> what's the definition of a troll again? someone with a personality?
[08:41] <raven3x7> hello
[08:41] <Amaranth> raDeon2: And stop evading a ban.
[08:41] <raDeon2> im not banned
[08:41] <raDeon2> im +q'd
[08:41] <PurpleMotion> same dif
[08:42] <PurpleMotion> im glad i dont piss you guys off very much
[08:42] <thoreauputic> deprave: clever trolls have personality, yes
[08:42] <Choubaka> PurpleMotion: :D
[08:42] <Amaranth> PurpleMotion: He does this about once a day.
[08:42] <equex> !dict -d jargon troll
[08:42] <barkley> what was wrong with his nick, i just alt-tabbed back?
[08:42] <ubotu> could not find definition for -d jargon troll
[08:42] <Seveas> Amaranth, static IP?
[08:42] <thoreauputic> !dict troll
[08:42] <Amaranth> barkley: ever heard of a radeon video card?
[08:42] <barkley> Amaranth, of course, i have one
[08:42] <Amaranth> Seveas: no clue, doubtful
[08:42] <PurpleMotion> okay, i gotta restart x
[08:43] <lunitik> deprave, a troll is someone that persists to annoy, with no real goal in mind other than being annoying
[08:43] <PurpleMotion> see how this radeom driver does
[08:43] <PurpleMotion> bbiaf
[08:43] <buntu-a> system admin can`t login from dekstop<<<<-----how\????
[08:43] <Seveas> ok, ident+provider ban then
[08:43] <Amaranth> barkley: well, obviously people talk about them in this channel which makes his irc client beep or blink or whatever
[08:43] <Amaranth> barkley: and he gets all pissy and demands to know who called him every time
[08:43] <barkley> Amaranth, and that's a problem why?
[08:43] <equex> 2. n. An individual who chronically trolls in sense 1; regularly
[08:43] <equex>      posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a newsgroup,
[08:43] <equex>      discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to annoy
[08:43] <equex>      someone or disrupt a discussion.
[08:43] <barkley> Amaranth, oh...hehe
[08:43] <deprave> lunitik : i can be annoying, but i'm here for a purpose, can i be a half troll with purple mana?
[08:43] <Seveas> equex, do not paste in here please
[08:43] <equex> oops
[08:43] <barkley> Seveas, it was 4 lines
[08:43] <deprave> or maybe a half-troll with +10 armor
[08:44] <Chaotic_Shield> rofl
[08:44] <equex> sorry.. thougth it was another channel :)
[08:44] <Seveas> barkley, makes no difference
[08:44] <barkley> Seveas, bullshit
[08:44] <IcemanV9> what is the best method to back up my home directory (11GB) to another box? then rebuild the box and restore my home directory back from the other box?
[08:44] <lunitik> deprave, if you do not intend to add anything to a discussion, just don't type anything... sure way to avoid being a troll
[08:44] <Seveas> barkley, language...
[08:44] <thoreauputic> actually, trolls *used* to often have a purpose: namely to make people think. The lesser trolls have resulted in trolling becoming a lost art
[08:44] <pestilence> IcemanV9: i like rdiff-backup
[08:45] <raven3x7> anyone got afterstep working correctly with ubuntu?
[08:45] <barkley> Seveas, what about language? english? what?
[08:45] <deprave> lunitik interesting perspective, reminds me of communism.
[08:45] <deprave> anyone here use snort?
[08:45] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: reminds me of the bad modern pseudophilosophy. It used to be something really entertaining, now it's just... pseudo-pseudophilosophy :|
[08:45] <raven3x7> deprave communism?
[08:45] <barkley> deprave, yes.  linux users must accept "community" groupthink without question...it does sound like fascist communism
[08:45] <buntu-a> how to run network admin?
[08:46] <apokryphos> barkley: Use your brain. Language as in, tone down your language; profanity.
[08:46] <deprave> groupthink
[08:46] <deprave> haha
[08:46] <f_newton> barkely fascism and communism are two opposite poles
[08:46] <lunitik> deprave, communism was a good idea... just doesn't work with a human phsyce well... most people are born to follow, many are born to lead... thus communism will never truely happen
[08:46] <deprave> big brother is watching us
[08:46] <deprave> lunitik : that's a communist talking!
[08:46] <barkley> deprave, the linux weak-minded newbies are prone to groupthink propaganda, like a cambodian re-education camp
[08:46] <Burgundavia> guys, this discussion is complete off-topic
[08:46] <f_newton> well one thins is for sure\
[08:46] <Burgundavia> please take it elsewhere
[08:46] <pestilence> IcemanV9: it allows you to make incremental backups easily, so backing up a 11gb partition can take 1 minute if only 5 megs have changed
[08:46] <apokryphos> But fear not, #ubuntu-offtopic is always available
[08:47] <deprave> barkley : indeed, where do all the Winstons of this IngSoc era hang out?
[08:47] <deprave> ah nice
[08:47] <f_newton> Burgundavia, what is the off topic toleration acceptance level
[08:47] <f_newton> ?
[08:47] <barkley> deprave, they're using BSD
[08:47] <lunitik> deprave, no, thats an educated person talking... read some of Marxx's works on the subject...
[08:47] <deprave> barkley : haha indeed.
[08:47] <Seveas> people, this is not a politics channal, move politics to Wubuntu-offtopic
[08:47] <barkley> deprave, ...where FSF/Stallman commie propaganda is laughed at
[08:47] <Seveas> f_newton, low
[08:47] <Seveas> especially when it's busy
[08:47] <thoreauputic> lunitik: this is a slightly more sophisticated troll - you are falling for it I fear :)
[08:48] <buntu-a> how to run network admin ?(a give my password can't)
[08:48] <f_newton> k
[08:48] <lunitik> deprave, in communism... no one is more important than another... doctors aren't paid more than store clerks or lawyers... more freedom to do what you want in theory, no worry of money
[08:48] <IcemanV9> pestilence: i was planning to do this once; backup, rebuild, restore
[08:48] <Seveas> buntu-a, sudo network-admin
[08:48] <jmcnaught> has anybody had trouble with totem (gstreamer&xine) and other media players that use xv crashing the whole system?
[08:48] <barkley> lunitik is defending fascists
[08:48] <lunitik> thoreauputic, haha... I'm always a sucker for a debate  :P
[08:48] <Seveas> lunitik, please take off-topic discussion elsewhere
[08:48] <barkley> but that's typical
[08:48] <Seveas> barkley, you too
[08:48] <deprave> lunitik : and in the real world, people that work hard to get to a highly  respected occupation get paid for it.
[08:48] <pestilence> IcemanV9: it will still work, but it's always a very good idea to backup regularly (read: daily)
[08:48] <deprave> ok
[08:48] <deprave> im done
[08:49] <highvoltage> deprave: HAHAHAHAHA
[08:49] <pestilence> IcemanV9: if you were just doing it once, scp -a should work too...but i prefer rdiff-backup regardless.
[08:49] <pestilence> oops
[08:49] <pestilence> i meant scp -rp
[08:49] <pestilence> :)
[08:49] <IcemanV9> pestilence: i know, i know ... it is a good practice to backup daily :)
[08:50] <barkley> lunitik, i'll meet you in ubuntu-offtopic so you can explain how communism is good
[08:50] <IcemanV9> pestilence: or nc (netcat)
[08:50] <fakeowl> hello again!
[08:50] <fakeowl> is there a shell command to exit the active x session?
[08:51] <holycow> barkley deprave, yes.  linux users must accept "community" groupthink without question...it does sound like fascist communism  <-- this is wrong and a deliberate troll
[08:51] <highvoltage> active x!?
[08:51] <Seveas> sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart
[08:51] <fakeowl> like a stopx script or something
[08:51] <highvoltage> /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[08:51] <fakeowl> im not sure i want to restart gdm
[08:51] <holycow> barkley, if you honestly believe that i find it hard that you are as knowledgeable about linux as you seem to be
[08:51] <Seveas> highvoltage, active 'x connection'
[08:51] <Seveas> :)
[08:51] <fakeowl> i have an x server that i load on my tv adhoc
[08:51] <pestilence> IcemanV9: hrmmm...something tells me that's not what you want.  but i've never heard of netcat.  also see: rsync (what rdiff-backup uses)
[08:51] <highvoltage> shew!
[08:51] <fakeowl> on tty8
[08:51] <deprave> holycow : we have moved on in our lives, you should. dwelling in the past will result to vulnerability.
[08:52] <fakeowl> just want to kill that so that'll go back to the other running x server
[08:52] <hubsi> http://source.rfc822.org/pub/mirror/releases.ubuntu.com/5.04/ubuntu-5.04-install is this one hoary?
[08:52] <monsterror> Hey everyone
[08:52] <Seveas> hubsi, yep
[08:52] <IcemanV9> pestilence: ha. i used it once (nc). it took forever over a local network.
[08:52] <Madeye> hi
[08:53] <fakeowl> bascially im asking if there's a command line equivalent of ctrl+alt+del?
[08:53] <thoreauputic> deprave: you will be assimilated...resistance is futile :)
[08:53] <highvoltage> fakeowl: "reboot"
[08:53] <holycow> fakeowl, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[08:53] <fakeowl> but won't that killall running x servers?
[08:53] <IcemanV9> pestilence: i was looking for an easiest, fastest method to backup /home dir
[08:53] <highvoltage> holycow: that would be a ctrl+alt+backspace :)
[08:53] <holycow> doh!
[08:53] <fakeowl> oh yeah :P
[08:54] <fakeowl> thats actually what i want though :P
[08:54] <monsterror> DOes anyone know of a place to learn how to make login screens and splash screens?
[08:54] <fakeowl> command line equiv of ctrl+alt+backspace
[08:54] <holycow> highvoltage, indeedy, hehe :)
[08:54] <fakeowl> but not like that holycow
[08:54] <Zen> hey is winex free?
[08:54] <calamari> maybe I just need to reboot... but xmms / bmp tell me "Couldn't open audio".. mplayer is able to play sound, but also gives errors.  Any idea what's up?
[08:54] <pestilence> IcemanV9: sudo rdiff-backup /home myuser@remotemachine.com::/my/backup/dir
[08:54] <highvoltage> monsterror: splash screens are just .png files, located in /usr/share/pixmaps/splash
[08:54] <rob> hello all can anyone recommed a video and audio media player.  I am still looking for one and want some other user opinions.
[08:54] <fakeowl> i have an x server running, i load another one, once that's done i want to ctrl+alt+backspace
[08:54] <highvoltage> monsterror: you can simply replace the files there.
[08:55] <calamari> rob: mplayer
[08:55] <pestilence> IcemanV9: you need rdiff-backup on both machines, of course
[08:55] <barosl> let's ET - http://barosl.com/pub/desktop/barosl-desktop-1123180809.jpg
[08:55] <thoreauputic> calamari: try setting the xmms output plugin to esound
[08:55] <fakeowl> but i need to do the ctrl+alt+backspace bit from the command line
[08:55] <barosl> =3=33
[08:55] <highvoltage> monsterror: gdm themes are just a bunch of xml files you can edit.
[08:55] <Zen> hey.. is WineX Free?
[08:55] <fakeowl> is that possible?
[08:55] <Seveas> monsterror, art.gnome.org/faq.php can help
[08:55] <OC-Elf> rob, mplayer is good at what id does
[08:55] <monsterror> Thanks, guys.
[08:55] <OC-Elf> Zen, no it is not
[08:55] <highvoltage> fakeowl: does "/etc/init.d/gdm restart" not suffice?
[08:55] <^thehatsrule^> Zen: depends on what you get, the full package is commercial tho
[08:55] <jmcnaught> Zen: it's free if you get it from their CVS (but that doesn't include everything)... otherwise you have to pay a subscription
[08:55] <cix> Hi I just installed Ubuntu on my laptop, but why do I not get asked to make a root pass?
[08:56] <OC-Elf> Zen, however u can get wine for free from winehq.com
[08:56] <apokryphos> !rootsudo
[08:56] <ubotu> well, rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:56] <highvoltage> Zen: WineX/Cedega is not free.
[08:56] <fakeowl> highvoltage: wouldnt restarting gdm kill both my running x servers though
[08:56] <equex> VLC + MPlayer = allround combo
[08:56] <equex> seems to work with everything
[08:56] <apokryphos> cix: ubuntu uses sudo; see the link above
[08:56] <holycow> cix, there is none, everything on ubuntu is sudoed as necessary
[08:56] <thoreauputic> fakeowl: ps aux | grep -i X ; kill <pidof second X server>  ?
[08:56] <Zen> does anyone know of a free alternative that can play games decently?
[08:56] <rob> I don't like mplayers gui though is it skinnable?
[08:56] <^thehatsrule^> barosl: ill play, but youre in korea? O.o
[08:56] <cix> holycow, and that means?
[08:56] <OC-Elf> jmcnaught, that requires a compile and lacks installshield support
[08:56] <OC-Elf> sucks
[08:56] <calamari> thoreauputic: didn't make a difference.. I decided to try all 3, alsa, esound and oss
[08:57] <IcemanV9> pestilence: ok. will try that way. thanks. :)
[08:57] <barosl> ^thehatsrule^, yes hehe :)
[08:57] <Zen> does anyone know of a free alternative to winex that can play games decently?
[08:57] <holycow> cix, to invoke commands that require root priviledges you do sudo command -switch
[08:57] <highvoltage> fakeowl: "gdm-signal --help" might be of assistance.
[08:57] <jmcnaught> Zen: a lot of games work with regular wine, have you tried that?
[08:57] <^thehatsrule^> barosl: lol, but then i think  i get bad pinag :P
[08:57] <barosl> i just found wonderful game and very interested :-)
[08:57] <holycow> cix, theoretically it helps to prevent newbs from running as root, and limits exposure to the root priviledges i guess
[08:57] <cix> holycow, hm ok, and I can't setup a root password anyway ?
[08:57] <cix> ok
[08:57] <Zen> ill have a go
[08:58] <Seveas> cix, you can
[08:58] <Seveas> but it's advised not to do that
[08:58] <barosl> ^thehatsrule^, oh yes... i think
[08:58] <holycow> cix, you can set one up sure, but its not necessary
[08:58] <Seveas> !root
[08:58] <ubotu> root is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:58] <Seveas> ^-- read that cix
[08:58] <calamari> I wonder how well qemu + kqemu would do for games
[08:58] <cix> thx
[08:58] <cix> are you all running ubuntu in here?
[08:59] <Seveas> I think most do :)
[08:59] <^thehatsrule^> barosl: unless you have a fast dedicated server?
[08:59] <direwolf> is
[08:59] <jmcnaught> calamari: pretty badly... i had kqemu running winXP and it was usuable, but still pretty slow
[08:59] <^thehatsrule^> barosl: or one in between?
[08:59] <barosl> ^thehatsrule^, nope :-(
[08:59] <barosl> =3
[08:59] <thoreauputic> fakeowl: actually ps aux | grep X would result in a more readable output
[08:59] <calamari> jmcnaught: oic.. I didn't try with xp, only 98, and it crashed out before it'd load up
[08:59] <^thehatsrule^> barosl: lol :P you know what ping you get to any US server?
[08:59] <IcemanV9> cix: what do you think? :)
[08:59] <calamari> regular qemu is nice.. at least not as slow as bochs :)
[09:00] <barosl> ^thehatsrule^, no. i don't know any famous US server... could you tell me one?
[09:00] <holycow> cix, ubuntu on the desktop, debian on the servers
[09:00] <cix> well, I just did not get the impression that you guys were n00bs and I have heard that ubuntu is for n00b's :S that's why I asked
[09:00] <^thehatsrule^> barosl: i just go random :S - see #WolfET ? :P
[09:00] <Seveas> cix, hehe
[09:01] <OC-Elf> later guys
[09:01] <Seveas> the support crew in here is to support the new linux users :)
[09:01] <thoreauputic> cix: Ubuntu is for everyone :)
[09:01] <fakeowl> ah thanks thoreauputic
[09:01] <Seveas> (and we hat the term noobs or newbies :))
[09:01] <^thehatsrule^> well cix, it IS user-friendly, whats wrong with that? :P
[09:01] <holycow> cix, well because it's easy to use does not mean its not powerfull, it just means its properly engineered
[09:01] <direwolf> ive got a question ...when i booted up my computer this morning for some reason my wireless card driver modules were already inserted (did so automatically on start i guess). how can i change that ?
[09:01] <fakeowl> one step closer at least!
[09:01] <cix> heh, so how do you get in deep with this os? I just started using linux for real today :S and quitted ms ... :S
[09:01] <f_newton> cix well im a n00b with ubuntu but I have found it to be good for everyone actually ... unless ya just gotta have something broken all the time to fix where upon I recommend fedora
[09:01] <calamari> nothing wrong with user friendly.. that's why I'm still a user.. :)
[09:01] <holycow> cix, however there is no faking and handholding, say like xandros that pretends to be windows but really isn't
[09:01] <thoreauputic> fakeowl: note upper case X ;)
[09:01] <cix> heh :)
[09:01] <direwolf> i say this because i use ndiswrapper for most things , but have to use the driver modules for other things
[09:01] <Seveas> cix, if you want a linux intro: www.tldp.org
[09:02] <Seveas> direwolf, add them to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent auto-loadin
[09:02] <cix> Seveas, yeah well were to start lol, I know that site ..... it's bigger than the bible
[09:02] <Seveas> hehe
[09:02] <direwolf> ok great seveas thank you very much
[09:02] <zAo^> who can help me with ProFTPd?
[09:02] <thoreauputic> cix: http://tuxfiles.org  :)
[09:02] <holycow> cix, do you run linux in any form on a box?
[09:02] <zAo^> The connection stops @ "227 Entering Passive Mode"
[09:03] <zAo^> and simply hangs
[09:03] <Seveas> http://tldp.org/guides.html <-- read any 'linux intro' there
[09:03] <Seveas> just pick one, read a few lines, if you kie it read on
[09:03] <Seveas> otherwise pick another :)
[09:03] <teferi> man, this new linux-restricted-modules thing in breezy is bizarre
[09:03] <thoreauputic> cix: also for a more hard-core approach type "  man intro  " in a terminal
[09:03] <zAo^> teferi, ?
[09:04] <cix> holycow, I just installed it on my laptop, and will finally delete MS maybe on may desktop if I can run my games with the same performance on linux as on ms
[09:04] <cix> that's the only reason why I haven't switched complete to linux :/
[09:04] <f_newton> good luck
[09:04] <jmcnaught> is it easy to upgrade to breezy if you have hoary backports installed?
[09:04] <calamari> is there a way to find out what is using a module.. similar to lsof which tells what is using a filesystem?
[09:04] <PurpleMotion> okay
[09:04] <Seveas> lsmod
[09:04] <teferi> zAo^: all the compiled object files get put in /lib/linux-restricted-modules and then linked into kernel modules on boot and stuck in a tmpfs
[09:04] <holycow> cix, ah games, ehe, well you can run some using cedega but probably not all
[09:04] <cix> thoreauputic, yes I like the hardcore way a bit more :)
[09:04] <teferi> and something is quite fucked with loading them
[09:04] <fakeowl> what would be the best way to extract that info thoreauputic, sed?
[09:04] <PurpleMotion> i installed the xorg-driver-fglrx and fgl_glxgears returns "Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0"." and exits
[09:04] <cix> holycow, yes I know, and the performance and fps isn't the same that really sucks :/
[09:04] <holycow> cix, how do you like it so far? and why the switch if i may ask?
[09:05] <zAo^> teferi, pff :S Did not even notice (old kernel + modules). What happend :S
[09:05] <calamari> Seveas: ahh, thanks .. I didn't see lsmod for what it was
[09:05] <PurpleMotion> how am i supposed to get XFree86-DRI when I'm using xorg?
[09:05] <thoreauputic> fakeowl: or maybe 'cut'
[09:05] <teferi> zAo^: well, i modprobe a module and it completes successfully, but nothing happens :P
[09:05] <PurpleMotion> and glxgears performs HORRIBLY
[09:05] <zAo^> lol
[09:05] <holycow> cix, the performance is equal on games that are natively ported to linux, say doom3, but otherwise you are always taking a hit with something like cedega
[09:05] <cix> holycow, it's free, and I'm tired of microsoft and their goddam money politic
[09:05] <teferi> module's not in /proc/modules or anything
[09:05] <teferi> really quite odd
[09:06] <cix> I don't want to support a compyany with that kind of a polic
[09:06] <cix> policy
[09:06] <Seveas> teferi, check dmesg :)
[09:06] <holycow> cix, interesting, well welcome, have fun :)
[09:06] <teferi> Seveas: nothing
[09:06] <cix> and linux, is far more secure I heard, and modern
[09:06] <thoreauputic> fakeowl: much more elegant: pgrep X
[09:06] <teferi> Seveas: i've been over this already a few times
[09:06] <zAo^> teferi, #ubuntu-devel ;-)
[09:06] <holycow> cix, thats why i switched too actually
[09:06] <PurpleMotion> 388 frames in 6.0 seconds = 64.667 FPS <-- that SUCKS
[09:06] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, ouch
[09:06] <fakeowl> aha!
[09:06] <Seveas> indeed
[09:06] <PurpleMotion> i was getting 150+ using the radeon driver
[09:06] <DVSoftware> cix, well, i play a lot games on my ubuntu
[09:06] <DVSoftware> PurpleMotion, just ignore it
[09:06] <PurpleMotion> what is wrong with the fglrx driver
[09:06] <fakeowl> that's the one, thanks again thoreauputic!
[09:06] <DVSoftware> cix, cedega isn't completly free
[09:06] <DVSoftware> and games you run in cedega, are probably not free
[09:06] <DVSoftware> PurpleMotion, install radeon driver
[09:06] <calamari> hmm, interesting.. it says snd_au8830 is in use, but lsmod doesn't show anything next to it
[09:07] <thoreauputic> fakeowl: I should have thought of that before :)
[09:07] <teferi> zAo^: i don't want to waste the developers' time by asking for support...
[09:07] <cix> heh, well I play f1 challenge, and setting that game up with my wheel + patches that would be a hell on ubuntu I think
[09:07] <zAo^> PurpleMotion, 20013 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4002.600 FPS on a GF4 Ti :)
[09:07] <cix> that's why I don't switch os complete....but it really annoys me actually :S
[09:07] <PurpleMotion> EXACTLY my point
[09:07] <PurpleMotion> this is an 8x 128mb radeon 9250
[09:07] <zAo^> teferi, hmm. well, it is testing after all, so ..
[09:07] <DVSoftware> PurpleMotion, go to www.ati.com, and download xorg drivers
[09:07] <teferi> zAo^: yeah, i know
[09:08] <teferi> zAo^: usually i can dig myself out of breezy holes pretty well - i've been using linux for close to a decade now
[09:08] <PurpleMotion> DVSoftware:  i'm using the xorg-driver-fglrx
[09:08] <teferi> and debian or debian-derived for most of that
[09:08] <PurpleMotion> zAo^:  try that fullscreened
[09:08] <cix> but my first impression is very good ;)
[09:08] <DVSoftware> PurpleMotion, did you enabled driver in xorg.conf?
[09:08] <PurpleMotion> zAo^:  my results were fullscreen windowed (1280x960)
[09:08] <PurpleMotion> DVSoftware:  yeah.
[09:08] <DVSoftware> changing from radeon to fglrx?
[09:08] <zAo^> teferi, so can I, but the Xorg probs are difficult for me: AIX // SUN administrator :)
[09:08] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, ehrm...
[09:08] <Seveas> fullscreen it's slow
[09:09] <PurpleMotion> holdon, ill pastebin my xorg.conf so you guys can see im not an idiot
[09:09] <PurpleMotion> Seveas:  i was getting 150+ on the radeon driver, and i only get 60 on the fglrx driver
[09:09] <DVSoftware> i trust you don't paste
[09:09] <zAo^> PurpleMotion, 1639 frames in 5.0 seconds = 327.800 FPS :$ 1280x1024x24
[09:09] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, i'm getting 111 on 1024x768
[09:09] <teferi> zAo^: it just baffles me when things silently fail like that. and if it's a kernel problem, i can't very well strace or gdb it...
[09:10] <gregg_> PurpleMotion: does direct rendering even work?
[09:10] <teferi> gah
[09:10] <teferi> weirder and WEIRDER
[09:10] <teferi> init_module("ELF0x135ee)         = -1 EEXIST (File exists)
[09:10] <Seveas> hmm
[09:10] <zAo^> teferi, btw: is there a Breezy users channel that you know of
[09:10] <DVSoftware> PurpleMotion, i would install official driver from ati.com
[09:10] <teferi> and yet it's not in /proc/modules
[09:10] <gregg_> PurpleMotion: gxlinfo | grep direct
[09:10] <teferi> zAo^: not tha ti know of
[09:10] <PurpleMotion> http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/951
[09:10] <zAo^> k
[09:10] <PurpleMotion> there's my xorg.conf
[09:10] <Seveas> teferi, will stracing the modprobe help?
[09:10] <teferi> Seveas: that's what i just did
[09:10] <Seveas> kk :)
[09:11] <teferi> and that's where i found the init_module call...
[09:11] <teferi> this is really bizarre
[09:11] <Seveas> indeed
[09:11] <PurpleMotion> {jay@psilocybin (~)}:$ glxinfo | grep direct
[09:11] <PurpleMotion> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:11] <PurpleMotion> direct rendering: No
[09:11] <PurpleMotion> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[09:11] <PurpleMotion> I have DRI turned on though
[09:11] <zAo^> well, it isnt
[09:11] <DVSoftware> PurpleMotion, that's your mistake
[09:11] <equex> my glxinfo says Direct rendering: YES but still i get bad fps
[09:11] <zAo^> PurpleMotion, look at you /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[09:11] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, do you have LoadModule "glcore" in your xorg.conf?
[09:11] <gregg_> PurpleMotion: check your xorg log
[09:11] <equex> with radeon 9200
[09:11] <DVSoftware> ati drivers have their own dri extension
[09:12] <kadigibox> Anyone use AMD64 ubuntu?  I am wanting to know how the distro is.  any glitches anyone noticed ect
[09:12] <PurpleMotion> no, i dont have glcore in load
[09:12] <zAo^> kadigibox, no flash, nog codecs, thats all :)
[09:12] <barosl> equex, what fps do you get?
[09:12] <DVSoftware> disable dri in config
[09:12] <DVSoftware> kadigibox, me
[09:12] <PurpleMotion> zAo^, gregg_: what am i looking for in this log?
[09:12] <kadigibox> no flash as in flash cards or *.swf
[09:12] <gregg_> 1995 frames in 5.0 seconds = 399.000 FPS
[09:13] <zAo^> PurpleMotion, lines that start with (EE)
[09:13] <gregg_> and that's via unichrome integrated crap shit :)
[09:13] <zAo^> so use "grep EE"
[09:13] <DVSoftware> kadigibox, i had a glitch with nvidia driver, acctualy 32bit compatibility
[09:13] <DVSoftware> but for unsupported stuff like flash codec
[09:13] <DVSoftware> i will setup chroot
[09:13] <PurpleMotion> {jay@psilocybin (~)}:$ cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE
[09:13] <PurpleMotion>         (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
[09:13] <PurpleMotion> (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
[09:14] <equex> barosl: i get about 700 fps with the default small glxgears window
[09:14] <PurpleMotion> i think it's just that i dont have glcore loaded
[09:14] <kadigibox> what kind of glitch.  I have 50 computers I am building and I am wondering if I should stick with debian or ubuntu
[09:14] <equex> barosl: and all my GL apps are slooow
[09:14] <PurpleMotion> im gonna try it
[09:14] <kadigibox> and they are useing NVidia
[09:14] <barosl> equex, do you use ati-drivers?
[09:14] <equex> barosl: yes.
[09:14] <DVSoftware> kadigibox, if you are not playing games in cedega
[09:14] <DVSoftware> you are ok
[09:15] <jasoncohen> kadigibox, well, for one thing debian doesn't have openoffice in it's amd64 distro
[09:15] <PurpleMotion> need to restart x, bbiaf
[09:15] <Spudchat> ive officially moved to linux...took the windows stciker of my laptop lol
[09:15] <DVSoftware> jasoncohen, not beta, but it have final
[09:15] <barosl> equex, did you "opengl-update ati" ?
[09:15] <Seveas> Spudchat, hehe
[09:15] <jasoncohen> kadigibox, you would have to install it in a chroot...ubuntu simply includes the 32 bit version and is installed by default
[09:15] <direwolf> i leave it on mine to remind me
[09:15] <Seveas> I did that too when I bought mine :)
[09:15] <mpmc> Spudchat: Someone talked sense.... try telling that to my brother!
[09:15] <thoreauputic> Spudchat: welcome to Freedom ;)
[09:15] <equex> barosl: maybe, ill do it afain
[09:15] <equex> again*
[09:15] <Spudchat> lol
[09:16] <Spudchat> thats what it is
[09:16] <barosl> equex, and "fglrx" in "device" section on xorg.conf
[09:16] <mpmc> You'll find ubuntu much easier to handle..
[09:16] <Spudchat> i dont have to restart every 5 minutes or pay for junk i dont need just to have the hope of security
[09:16] <Kaosfury> I just got a sound blaster live! 24-bit sound card and wanted to know how to get the system to "see" the card.
[09:16] <barosl> Section "Device"
[09:16] <kadigibox> Ubuntu is based off of SID right?
[09:16] <barosl>     Driver      "fglrx"
[09:16] <mpmc> I have to have a firewall on windows, not linux :D
[09:17] <Seveas> barosl, NO pasting in here
[09:17] <equex> barosl: sudo: opengl-update: command not found :/
[09:17] <direwolf> id say thats a common misconception but ...
[09:17] <barosl> Seveas, sorry
[09:17] <barosl> equex, ...?!
[09:17] <craigevil> anyone having problems importing bookamrks into Opera8.02?
[09:17] <jasoncohen> mpmc, you also don't need anti-virus or anti-spyware software
[09:17] <holycow> Spudchat, one of the advantages the community has over commercial companies is that we can ditch bad ideas without having to worry about supporting a var network or legacy stuff because of paying customers
[09:17] <^thehatsrule^> equex, using fglrx?
[09:17] <barosl> equex, ...oops, i think opengl-update is gentoo command... sorry :(
[09:18] <holycow> on the other hand we don't exactly have 32 billion in cash in the bank either
[09:18] <DVSoftware> what jerk i am
[09:18] <Spudchat> yeah true dat
[09:18] <Seveas> kadigibox, indeed
[09:18] <Spudchat> and the help is much better lol
[09:18] <Seveas> all Ubuntu versions are based on Sid
[09:18] <barosl> equex, but is there "Driver fglrx" in xorg.conf like above?
[09:18] <kadigibox> being its based off of SID how stable is it?
[09:18] <Seveas> kadigibox, very :)
[09:18] <direwolf> ill bbiab
[09:19] <thoreauputic>  05:18:54 up 42 days, 13:37,  3 users,  load average: 0.28, 0.54, 0.39
[09:19] <thoreauputic> kadigibox: solid
[09:19] <equex> barosl, ^thehatsrule^  one moment i will check whats exactly in there right now.
[09:19] <DVSoftware> thoreauputic, nice
[09:19] <Seveas>  21:28:47 up 56 days, 11:06,  4 users,  load average: 0.15, 0.04, 0.01
[09:19] <kadigibox> and is there any differences between the live CD and the install?  I am thinking of testing the AMD64 live CD if its not much different then what it installs
[09:19] <Burgundavia> kadigibox, not much
[09:19] <thoreauputic> Seveas: heheh - you win ;)
[09:20] <Burgundavia> kadigibox, the devlopers have put a lot of effort into making sure they are similar
[09:20] <Seveas> thoreauputic, that's on a server I installed, my hamo machines don't go beyond a day
[09:20] <DVSoftware> well... they are slightly different
[09:20] <thoreauputic> Seveas: but if not for a power outage I would be ahead :)
[09:20] <Seveas> I still shut them down at night :)
[09:20] <Kaosfury> I just got a sound blaster live! 24-bit sound card and wanted to know how to get the system to "see" the card.
[09:20] <kadigibox> Also is there an advanced install cause I dont like KDE or Gnome
[09:20] <Burgundavia> the hardware detection for the both should be the same
[09:20] <Seveas> thoreauputic, ghe, /me has UPS :)
[09:20] <Burgundavia> kadigibox, yes, server install
[09:20] <craigevil>  15:20:14 up 63 days, 13:11,  2 users,  load average: 0.29, 0.29, 0.24
[09:20] <kadigibox> kk thanks Burgundavia
[09:20] <thoreauputic> Seveas: me has not much money :)
[09:20] <equex> barosl, ^thehatsrule^  it says Identifier "ATI Graphics Adapter", and Driver"fglrx" and i did the install using ATI's binaries
[09:20] <Seveas> thoreauputic, me neither, but it cost me nothing ;)
[09:21] <thoreauputic> Seveas: nice
[09:21] <^thehatsrule^> equex: thats good then, its prolly just your config im assuming
[09:21] <craigevil> kadigibox give Xfce a try it uses less ram than either KDE or Gnome
[09:21] <kadigibox> I actualy like WindowMaker
[09:21] <kadigibox> but I been meaning to try Xfce
[09:22] <Hasbro> Have an issue I thought you guys might be able to help out with.
[09:22] <Hasbro> Scenario:
[09:22] <Hasbro> 1. Re-installed Ubuntu to dual boot with Windows XP
[09:22] <Hasbro> 2. Created separate \boot partition for grub, etc.
[09:22] <Hasbro> 3. When I got to the GRUB install portion I chose to not install to MBR and to install to a partition
[09:22] <Hasbro> 4. (Here's where I screwed up) I chose the wrong partition.  Thought \boot was partition hda 0,0 when it was 0,2
[09:22] <Hasbro> 5. So now my Windows XP partition is hosed due to grub trying to install there.
[09:22] <Hasbro> 6. I know the XP partition didn't get formatted, only that grub got installed there.  I guess Ubuntu can read/write to NTFS and that is why it was able to install there or maybe this is an incorrect assumption.
[09:22] <Hasbro> 7. Regardless, I can see all partitions when I run FIXBOOT from the Windows XP install CD.
[09:22] <Hasbro> 8. Question: How do I recover?
[09:22] <equex> barosl, ^thehatsrule^: strange thing is, i got about 70 FPS before i enabled UseInteranAGPArt, then it rose to 700FPS, but it *still* sucks :/
[09:22] <Seveas> Hasbro, fool
[09:22] <F0ckF3ar22> Can i install ubuntu off a debian floppy net install
[09:22] <Seveas> NEVER paste in here
[09:22] <PurpleMotion> {jay@psilocybin (~)}:$ glxinfo | grep direct
[09:22] <F0ckF3ar22> by apt
[09:22] <PurpleMotion> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:22] <PurpleMotion> direct rendering: No
[09:22] <equex> UseInternalAGPArt*
[09:22] <DVSoftware> well... xfce is nice, i've used it for some time
[09:22] <PurpleMotion> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[09:22] <PurpleMotion> how do i change that to direct rendering?
[09:22] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, same to you.....
[09:22] <^thehatsrule^> equex: perhaps you just need to config your agpgart thing or sth?
[09:23] <PurpleMotion> same to me what? i just got here
[09:23] <PurpleMotion> oh
[09:23] <PurpleMotion> ok
[09:23] <PurpleMotion> anyways
[09:23] <equex> ^thehatsrule^: how do i do that ? wher do i begin
[09:23] <equex> never thought of that
[09:23] <PurpleMotion> why is it using mesa instead of dri?
[09:23] <craigevil> Anyone know how to import bnookmarks into Opera8.02? Nothing I try seems to work.
[09:23] <^thehatsrule^> equex: im not sure... i never ran into problems, but its what i gathered from reading others
[09:24] <DVSoftware> PurpleMotion, you disabled dri in config?
[09:24] <PurpleMotion> no
[09:24] <craigevil> I have tried importing  them from Firefox, Mozilla, Netscape7, Konqueror. I get the msg they were imported but nothing shows up.
[09:24] <thoreauputic> craigevil: does opera use html format for bookmarks?
[09:24] <equex> ^thehatsrule^: well, off to the manual mines again then
[09:24] <equex> :*
[09:25] <equex> thanks for the time
[09:25] <^thehatsrule^> heh, youll find it out
[09:25] <craigevil> yes it give the opetions to import Firefox, Netscape, Konweror. It says imported but nothing shows up
[09:25] <PurpleMotion> I have Load "dri" in "Modules" and Option "no_dri" "no" in "device" and Mode 0666 in "DRI"
[09:25] <PurpleMotion> that's what i'm supposed to have, right??
[09:25] <craigevil> Opera 8.0 worked just fine but the 8.02 does nothing
[09:25] <jmcnaught> yoosuck: you can run IRC over tor?
[09:25] <Kaosfury> When I installed ubuntu, there was no sound card in my system. I now have a sound card and would like help installing it please.
[09:26] <craigevil> I even tried just copying them intyo the profile and overwriting the ones there but nothing
[09:26] <jmcnaught> kaosfury: ubuntu didn't automatically detect it?
[09:26] <Seveas> jmcnaught, can I pm you?
[09:26] <PurpleMotion> (EE) Failed to load module "glcore" (module does not exist, 0)
[09:26] <jmcnaught> Seveas: sure
[09:26] <DVSoftware> PurpleMotion, you should not load dri in config
[09:26] <DVSoftware> ati has it's own dri module
[09:26] <PurpleMotion> well,t hat would be the problem then
[09:27] <PurpleMotion> what else shouldnt i load that ati has its own module for?
[09:27] <Kaosfury> jmcnaught: I was unaware that ubuntu detected on startup, but no it didn't
[09:27] <Seveas> 'navond Fergy
[09:27] <PurpleMotion> I have dbe, extmod, freetype, glx, record, and type1
[09:27] <PurpleMotion> what shouldnt i have?
[09:27] <axylfyre> hey all
[09:27] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, no load extmod I hope
[09:28] <Seveas> but a subsection extmod
[09:28] <PurpleMotion> don't load extmod?
[09:28] <Seveas> omit xfree86-dga
[09:28] <Kaosfury> I also need to mention that I'm pretty new to linux.
[09:28] <PurpleMotion> huh?
[09:28] <F0ckF3ar22> how do i install ubuntu off of a debian install
[09:28] <F0ckF3ar22> with out a cd
[09:28] <PurpleMotion> subsection of what?
[09:28] <tiglionabbit> what plays a "Vivo video data" ?
[09:29] <tiglionabbit> .viv file
[09:29] <axylfyre> i am trying to install ubuntu on a system, and when i finish partitioning the hdd's it tells me that no root file system is in place? what do i do?\\
[09:29] <jmcnaught> kaosfury: it might not have reported anything... try typing 'lsmod' (w/o quotes) in the terminal, look for 'emu10k' (or similar)
[09:29] <PurpleMotion> Seveas:  subsection of which section?
[09:29] <F0ckF3ar22> how do iinstall ubuntu off a debain net install
[09:29] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, hang on
[09:29] <PurpleMotion> ko
[09:29] <Seveas> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/953
[09:29] <Seveas> that's mine
[09:30] <Seveas> (xorg.conf - radeon mobility 9600)
[09:30] <PurpleMotion> you have an ati card?
[09:30] <PurpleMotion> right on
[09:30] <tiglionabbit> F0ckF3ar22: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation#head-b7666c5802d06b361a4f0c9928dfd942caac4cd2
[09:30] <Seveas> F0ckF3ar22, you can do an Ubuntu net install too
[09:30] <F0ckF3ar22> no you cant
[09:30] <PurpleMotion> Seveas:  i was just told not to load dri, that fglrx has its own
[09:30] <F0ckF3ar22> not with floppys
[09:31] <Seveas> F0ckF3ar22, ah ok, indeed
[09:31] <tiglionabbit> F0ckF3ar22: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/Netboot
[09:31] <Seveas> but you can use a generic netboot floppy
[09:31] <F0ckF3ar22> Seveas i dont understand
[09:31] <Seveas> wiki.ubuntu.com/LocalNetInstall
[09:31] <Kaosfury> jmcnaught: nothing there.
[09:31] <Seveas> ^-- F0ckF3ar22
[09:32] <equex> ^thehatsrule^: one thing, is xorg,conf supposed to say Load "glcore" anywhere ? mine sayd Load "glx" and Load "dri"
[09:32] <F0ckF3ar22> see what i did was i installed debian off floppyb ecause i dont have cd rom
[09:32] <F0ckF3ar22> now im trying to install ubuntu off that
[09:32] <x0r> hello
[09:32] <Seveas> F0ckF3ar22, is the debian a woody?
[09:32] <^thehatsrule^> equex: maybe, just use a premade template
[09:32] <direwolf> seveas, thanks again
[09:32] <jmcnaught> kaosfury: in the output of lsmod, did you see any lines that started with snd_  ?
[09:32] <lunitik> Seveas, no
[09:32] <F0ckF3ar22> i dont know
[09:32] <lunitik> Seveas, its a Sarge, finally
[09:32] <x0r> I've noticed some really bad changes in breezy (xorg doesn't work anymore)
[09:32] <F0ckF3ar22> Seveas i dunno
[09:32] <equex> kthx
[09:32] <Seveas> lunitik, ..?
[09:32] <Burgundavia> Seveas, all the variants of installation have been moved to subpages of Installation
[09:32] <x0r> I'm really in trouble and can't find the problem
[09:33] <lunitik> Seveas, 3.1 was finally released
[09:33] <Seveas> F0ckF3ar22, do you still have debian installed?
[09:33] <Kaosfury> jmcnaught: nope
[09:33] <Seveas> lunitik, that's not the issue here
[09:33] <x0r> I just don't know about this error:
[09:33] <Seveas> and i know that...
[09:33] <F0ckF3ar22> seveas yes...
[09:33] <x0r> Missing output drivers. Configuration failed.
[09:33] <Seveas> Burgundavia, that sucks. When did people forget that Good URLs Don't Change....
[09:33] <x0r> I get this, whil checking my xorg.conf with Xorg -configure
[09:33] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: did you remove the wiki howto for installing XP on qemu? I can't seem to find it...
[09:33] <Seveas> F0ckF3ar22, cat /etc/issue
[09:33] <lunitik> Seveas, "F0ckF3ar22, is the debian a woody?"  *shrug*
[09:33] <Seveas> and paste the output in here
[09:34] <Seveas> lunitik, the debina install on his machine.....
[09:34] <axylfyre> what is the deal with "no root file system" found?
[09:34] <DVSoftware> x0r, just read topic "DO NOT USE BREEZY YET - X is still broken "
[09:34] <x0r> btw, i'm using breezy
[09:34] <x0r> ;)
[09:34] <kjuu> A little help needed... I seem to have an installation issue because of my Maxtor SATA drive. Any ideas would be welcome :/
[09:34] <jmcnaught> Kaosfury: do you have any livecds?  sometimes when hardware doesn't work, i put a knoppix (or ubuntu live) disc in to see if it works there
[09:34] <thoreauputic> playing fast and loose with the wiki makes life difficult for us when we direct people to it....
[09:35] <PurpleMotion> gonna try this
[09:35] <PurpleMotion> brb
[09:35] <jmcnaught> kaosfury: the sound blaster live is usually plug and play for linux
[09:35] <lunitik> Seveas, no one keeps woody around...
[09:36] <Seveas> lunitik, please read a bit, he just installed from floppy disks...
[09:36] <Kaosfury> I'll try reseating the card and see if I can get it to work. Thanks. I'll be back if I can't get anything to work.
[09:36] <Seveas> so these disks might very well be woody
[09:36] <F0ckF3ar22> Seveas all i know is that i used 3 floppys Boot.img, Root.img, and Netdrivers.img
[09:36] <F0ckF3ar22> and the rest was off the net
[09:36] <Seveas> F0ckF3ar22, type this in a terminal: cat /etc/issue
[09:37] <Seveas> and paste the output of that in here
[09:37] <lunitik> F0ckF3ar22, cat /etc/debian-version
[09:37] <F0ckF3ar22> seveas i dont see a terminal
[09:37] <F0ckF3ar22> i just see the apt
[09:37] <F0ckF3ar22> aptittude
[09:37] <lunitik> F0ckF3ar22, hit 'q'
[09:37] <x0r> any ideas about xorg error
[09:37] <Seveas> x0r, yes
[09:37] <lunitik> F0ckF3ar22, get to a terminal and type what I said...
[09:37] <Seveas> don't use Breezy :)
[09:37] <x0r> I had no problems before with xorg and breezy and always could fix them
[09:38] <F0ckF3ar22> who cares what kind of debian it is
[09:38] <Seveas> F0ckF3ar22, we do
[09:38] <F0ckF3ar22> its a regular gnu/debian base system
[09:38] <Seveas> woody -> hoary is an easy upgrade
[09:38] <Seveas> sarge -> hoary is a pain in the ass
[09:38] <F0ckF3ar22> you know i think it is sarge
[09:38] <F0ckF3ar22> I installed it off the debian site
[09:38] <Burgundavia> Seveas, unfortunately, the wiki search sucks
[09:38] <x0r> what about: Missing output drivers. Configuration failed ?
[09:39] <jmcnaught> is hoary+ubuntu backports -> breezy easy?  (i know i'm not supposed to use breezy right now)
[09:39] <Seveas> Burgundavia, then at least they should have left stub pages...
[09:39] <DVSoftware> x0r, i think that topic says enough
[09:39] <lunitik> jmcnaught, no
[09:39] <Burgundavia> Seveas, yes
[09:39] <Seveas> jmcnaught, moderately easy
[09:39] <axylfyre> can anyone seen this"\
[09:39] <x0r> lol
[09:39] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: please, don't break useful links - at least redirect them or something
[09:39] <Seveas> but not right now :)
[09:39] <mattyJ> is there a way to upgrade to gnome 2.11?
[09:39] <lunitik> jmcnaught, backports are non-critical packages that have been upgraded since release
[09:39] <kjuu> A little help needed... I seem to have an installation issue because of my Maxtor SATA drive. Any ideas would be welcome :/
[09:39] <Burgundavia> mattyJ, breezy has it
[09:39] <Seveas> mattyJ, you shouldn't ...
[09:39] <izmaelis> hwen will be breezy released?
[09:40] <Seveas> izmaelis, october
[09:40] <wastrel> hi folks
[09:40] <apokryphos> !breezyschedule
[09:40] <ubotu> breezyschedule is, like, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseSchedule
[09:40] <raven3x7> 5.10
[09:40] <wastrel> i just deleted a backup file with rm.  is there a way to recover it?
[09:40] <x0r> @DvSoftware: you've never touched a linux system, so just shut up when you don't know a good answer
[09:40] <wastrel> stupid newbie mistake :p
[09:40] <Seveas> izmaelis: A new Ubuntu version is released every six months (in april and october). Each release is supported for at least 18 months with security updates.
[09:40] <raven3x7> aka 10/2005
[09:40] <Seveas> wastrel, no
[09:40] <thoreauputic> wastrel: you're out of luck I'm afraid
[09:40] <jmcnaught> lunitik: if I wanted to remove all ubp packages, could I just removed the repositories and then goto the local/obsolete section in synaptic?
[09:40] <wastrel> the filesystem overwrites?
[09:40] <lunitik> jmcnaught, basically, breezy packages, compiled in an hoary environment...
[09:41] <wastrel> i thought it just removed the link
[09:41] <wastrel> the data should stil lbe on the disk?
[09:41] <Seveas> axylfyre, maybe not, did you have a question?
[09:41] <lunitik> jmcnaught, breezy is being compiled for GCC4.0... many other major changes
[09:41] <F0ckF3ar22> its sarge
[09:41] <ayeye> anyone can help me with SETTING UP a USB ADSL MODEM CONNECTION ON UBUNTU?!?!?!
[09:41] <F0ckF3ar22> ITS SARGE!
[09:41] <Seveas> wastrel, sure, but restoring the link is not possible
[09:41] <wastrel> i'mm happy to trash the disk
[09:41] <Seveas> ayeye, cut it down on the caps....
[09:41] <wastrel> it's a spare disk
[09:41] <wastrel> i can unmount it right now
[09:41] <ayeye> sorry...
[09:41] <jmcnaught> lunitik: thanks
[09:41] <wastrel> but i want the data back :] 
[09:41] <lunitik> jmcnaught, I don't use Synaptic much... but theoretically.... but why would you want to do that?
[09:41] <Seveas> F0ckF3ar22, hmmm, upgrading that to hoary will be difficult
[09:41] <F0ckF3ar22> how do we do it?
[09:42] <lunitik> jmcnaught, nothing wrong with them... they are just more updated softwares
[09:42] <F0ckF3ar22> send me a wiki
[09:42] <Seveas> you need to apt::pin hoary to 1001 and install ubuntu-desktop and do a dist-upgrade
[09:42] <axylfyre> ayeye dont worry i am being ignored too
[09:42] <ayeye> :-)
[09:42] <kjuu> You know what this channel needs? A bot that you could msg with your questions and then later someone might contact you about it :/
[09:42] <Seveas> axylfyre, what was your question?
[09:42] <jmcnaught> lunitik: i couldn't upgrade from warty > hoary because of conflicts from the ubp packages... i was thinking of trying breezy today and i was trying to guage how easy it would be
[09:43] <Stormx> Hey?
[09:43] <Seveas> jmcnaught, they changed that situation for the better
[09:43] <lunitik> kjuu, or you could just be patient... we are just users like you... with a little more knowledge in most cases
[09:43] <Seveas> backports use good version numbers now
[09:43] <thoreauputic> kjuu: I think you need the ubuntu-users mailing list :)
[09:43] <Stormx> Hey everyone
[09:43] <Stormx> I need a little help with ubuntu
[09:43] <snid> Hi all
[09:43] <jmcnaught> Seveas: thanks, good to know
[09:43] <axylfyre> i get to the end of the paritioning stage, and i set up an ext and a swap partition for linux, but it tells me that no root file system is in place
[09:43] <ayeye> i am trying to quit with windoZe ;)...i installed the ubuntu cd...everything's fine, but HOW can i connect my modem and thus to the internet..
[09:43] <apokryphos> Stormx: fire away
[09:43] <ayeye> i have the drivers
[09:44] <kjuu> thoreauputic: what's the point of having a help-chan in IRC if you can't get help there :P
[09:44] <Stormx> axylfyre: you need to set the Mount Point to /
[09:44] <lunitik> Seveas, doesn't help him with old warty backports  ;)
[09:44] <Seveas> axylfyre, you need to specify that the ext partition should be monted as /
[09:44] <ayeye> i just don't know how to configure the "dial up" shit...
[09:44] <jmcnaught> ayeye: what kind of a modem is it?
[09:44] <Gourami> can someone tell me what the edit command for redhat is ? ive tried nano and gedit which arent working ?
[09:44] <snid> I need some help with minimum requirements for Ubuntu ? What are they ? I am trying to get an amd 1200xp with 256meg of ram to run but it fails
[09:44] <axylfyre> ok..let me try
[09:44] <ayeye> alcatel speed touch USB
[09:44] <thoreauputic> Kjes: lots of people get help here - what's your issue?
[09:44] <Stormx> Gourami: Its a ubuntu channel, and Gedit should work.
[09:44] <F0ckF3ar22> hey can you guys help me with an iq test
[09:44] <F0ckF3ar22>  Mary is two times as old as Nancy. Nancy is 1/3 Lucy's age. Who is the oldest?
[09:44] <F0ckF3ar22> Mary
[09:44] <F0ckF3ar22> Lucy
[09:44] <F0ckF3ar22> Nancy
[09:44] <Seveas> snid, that's more than enough, just make sure you have at least 768 MB swap
[09:44] <kjuu> too much static here, getting an answer might be a tad difficult for beginners
[09:44] <lunitik> kjuu, you can... getting ignored means no one that was paying attention knew the answer/wanted to help...
[09:45] <{cYanide}> hey er i tried the resolution fix
[09:45] <lunitik> kjuu, Ubuntu provides support contracts if you'd like to purchase one... you are garenteed support then
[09:45] <{cYanide}> first one, but it failed on the 2nd terminal command
[09:45] <axylfyre> ty so much! i had it pointed to dos..stupid me..hehe
[09:45] <Stormx> Yo, anyone had problems with XMMS on ubuntu?
[09:45] <f_newton> Gourami, if you continue to have trouble go to either #redhat or #fedora for more rh based support
[09:45] <Seveas> Stormx: To make xmms or beep-media-player actually play things, change the audio output plugin to eSound
[09:45] <jmcnaught> ayeye: it's a dsl modem?  i don't know if linux supports usb dsl modems.  but you should try 'pppoeconf' from the terminal if your isp uses pppoe
[09:45] <snid> thanks seveas but it fails with a "not enough memory" issure
[09:45] <apokryphos> Stormx: don't use it, it's bad. Use beep or amaroK
[09:45] <snid> issue
[09:45] <Stormx> Seveas: How do I do that?
[09:45] <apokryphos> Stormx: or Juk
[09:45] <Seveas> snid, what exactly failed?
[09:46] <madsen> Stormx: Preferences -> Output plugins.
[09:46] <Stormx> I need MPEG Layer 3 support, do they have that?
[09:46] <snid> fails on boot right near the beginning
[09:46] <Seveas> Stormx, open the preferences (ctrl+p) go to plugins _> output plugin and change it to esound
[09:46] <Seveas> snid, make sure the installer creates a swap partition
[09:46] <lunitik> Stormx, apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:46] <Seveas> snid, of at least 768 MB
[09:46] <ayeye> see...i'm used to windoZe :) i'm a newbie on ubuntu...thanks anyway. I'll try to figure out...
[09:46] <lunitik> !mp3 is sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:46] <ubotu> ...but mp3 is already something else...
[09:46] <direwolf> oops
[09:46] <snid> I could retry and give exact message - ok thanks let me try
[09:46] <lunitik> !mp3
[09:46] <ubotu> it has been said that mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[09:46] <lunitik> grrrr
[09:46] <Seveas> ayeye, there are USB ADSL things on the wiki
[09:47] <direwolf> my swap is only 500 :-O
[09:47] <jmcnaught> ayeye: that's cool... try the pppoeconf tool and see if that works
[09:47] <Seveas> direwolf, how much mem do you have?
[09:47] <lunitik> !mp3 is also or just sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:47] <ubotu> lunitik: okay
[09:47] <direwolf> hahaha don't ask
[09:47] <lunitik> !mp3
[09:47] <thoreauputic> direwolf: 500MB ? plenty
[09:47] <ubotu> somebody said mp3 was read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support, or or just sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:47] <ayeye> jmcnaught...thanks! ;)
[09:47] <Seveas> lunitik, ....
[09:47] <direwolf> sveas, 64MB
[09:47] <Stormx> Thanks everyone for the help (Seveas, apokryphos, madsen, lunitik)
[09:47] <Seveas> !forget mp3
[09:47] <ubotu> i forgot mp3, Seveas
[09:47] <{cYanide}> er can anyone help? im stuck trying to fix the resolution  at the  sudo sh -c line, says file / folder dont exist
[09:47] <{cYanide}> but its does
[09:47] <Seveas> ubotu mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[09:47] <ubotu> okay, Seveas
[09:47] <madsen> "Could not open file "/mnt/ipod/iPod_Control/iTunes/iTunesDB" for writing." <- Anyone? I'm root and I've got mode 777 on the thing!?!
[09:48] <lunitik> grrrr
[09:48] <Stormx> Seveas: I do get the same problem with OGG Vorbis though
[09:48] <direwolf> highest swap has gotten thus far is 20%
[09:48] <Stormx> and I know there will be no wma support ;-)
[09:48] <direwolf> *10%
[09:48] <Seveas> Stormx, it's not an mp3 problem but an xmms problem :)
[09:48] <Stormx> Yep
[09:48] <Stormx> Thought so
[09:48] <Stormx> OK
[09:48] <raven3x7> how does one view source packages with synaptic?
[09:48] <madsen> Stormx: I can play wmas with my gstreamer...
[09:48] <Stormx> So I'm not sure what Im doing here....
[09:48] <Stormx> madsen: sweet
[09:49] <madsen> Stormx: Can't remember how though, sorry.
[09:49] <Seveas> with w32codecs you can play all kinds of things :)
[09:49] <lunitik> madsen, ffmpeg?
[09:49] <jmcnaught> ayeye: do you have ethernet on your computer?
[09:49] <madsen> lunitik: Uh? I dunno.
[09:49] <lunitik> Seveas, not via Gstreamer
[09:50] <madsen> iPod, permissions problem, a little to the "up". :-p Anyone?
[09:50] <raven3x7> anyone
[09:50] <PurpleMotion> im gonna take a diffe3rent approach to this
[09:50] <PurpleMotion> what command does ubuntu use to auto-generate xorg.conf ?
[09:50] <direwolf> bueller
[09:50] <Seveas> dpkg-reconfigure xorg.conf
[09:50] <lunitik> !configx
[09:50] <ubotu> [configx]  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:50] <lunitik> that one
[09:51] <Stormx> madsen: OK, it looks as if its all installed already, how do I launch it?
[09:51] <madsen> Stormx: Launch what?
[09:51] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: however, it pays to read the comments at the top of the xorg.conf file with care
[09:51] <Stormx> GStreamer - its an app, im guesting
[09:51] <Stormx> *guessing
[09:51] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: if you've edited it before
[09:51] <madsen> Stormx: It's a "sink". :)
[09:51] <lunitik> Seveas, wtf? dpkg-reconfigure xorg.conf? lol
[09:51] <PurpleMotion> i renamed it
[09:52] <sorush21> guys whats a good calendar program
[09:52] <Stormx> o.O
[09:52] <madsen> Stormx: If you've got totem-gstreamer installed, then launch totem...
[09:52] <Seveas> lunitik, erm braino :)
[09:52] <Seveas> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:52] <direwolf> hey, does ubotu give us the weather?
[09:52] <lunitik> !info gstreamer0.8
[09:52] <Seveas> direwolf, www.weather.com
[09:52] <lunitik> !info libgstreamer0.8
[09:52] <direwolf> hehe just wonderin
[09:52] <Seveas> lunitik, please don't play with the bot
[09:52] <lunitik> !botslap
[09:52] <ubotu> lunitik: Wish i knew
[09:52] <thoreauputic> direwolf: I think $DEITY is responsible for the weather ;-)
[09:52] <apokryphos> !find gstreamer
[09:52] <direwolf> hahaha
[09:52] <MikeW> Okay, I'm installing warty. I can either set it up manually or have the installer using up all the hdd space.
[09:53] <Seveas> MikeW, why are you installing warty instead of Hoary?
[09:53] <lunitik> Seveas, blah... I'm trying to find something... relivant to the channel... you take your op status too seriously
[09:53] <MikeW> Seveas: because I only have a warty cd
[09:53] <Seveas> MikeW, good reason :
[09:53] <Stormx> MikeW: Use hoary
[09:53] <Stormx> JUst download it xD
[09:53] <MikeW> indeed
[09:53] <Seveas> Stormx, not everybody has that possibility
[09:53] <direwolf> have seen some bots have dictionary lookups, weather, etc thats why i was askin
[09:53] <jmcnaught> MikeW: you can upgrade to hoary right after you install
[09:53] <Stormx> yeh yeh yadda yadda yadda
[09:53] <apokryphos> direwolf: ubotu can define
[09:54] <Seveas> lunitik, then do so in a private message instead of bringing noise in the channel
[09:54] <direwolf> sweet ... !dict ?
[09:54] <apokryphos> yes
[09:54] <Seveas> direwolf, weather would be very off-topic in here
[09:54] <direwolf> coo thanks
[09:54] <jmcnaught> MikeW: have you manually set up partitions before?
[09:54] <raven3x7> anyone? source packages with synaptic?
[09:54] <direwolf> cool*
[09:54] <MikeW> jmcnaught: yes, I came here to ask what type of partitions should I choose
[09:54] <lunitik> Seveas, bah... I was trying to help someone... give a correct definition of gstreamer
[09:55] <Seveas> gstreamer0.8-*
[09:55] <lunitik> Seveas, I wasn't "playing" with the damn bot... so don't get on my case
[09:55] <jmcnaught> MikeW: do you mean what format (ext3/reiser etc) or how you should organize it?
[09:55] <{cYanide}> why wouldnt this work sudo sh -c 'md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum'
[09:55] <thoreauputic> Stormx: you shouldn't minimise the difficulty people have in many places with downloading large files (if that is what you meant by "yeh yeh yada yada")
[09:55] <Seveas> lunitik, calm down...
[09:55] <MikeW> I've setup a new partition. It wants to be ext3 and because I don't know any different, I'l stick with that
[09:56] <Stormx> thoreauputic: Lighten up, I was just pointing it out as a possibility
[09:56] <MikeW> mount point /home, options: defaults, bootable flag: off (Now, should I set that partition to be bootable? I'd guess yes, but I don't know much about linux)
[09:56] <lunitik> !info libgstreamer0.8-0
[09:56] <ubotu> libgstreamer0.8-0: (Core GStreamer libraries, plugins, and utilities), section libs, is optional. Version: 0.8.9-1ubuntu4 (hoary), Packaged size: 659 kB, Installed size: 2372 kB
[09:56] <jmcnaught> MikeW: ext3 is a good choice.  reiserfs and ext3 both don't need to do really long checks if you don't shutdown properly
[09:56] <thoreauputic> Stormx: OK - that's why I said "if.... " :)
[09:56] <Stormx> ;-)
[09:56] <Stormx> Alright
[09:56] <lunitik> Stormx, ^^
[09:56] <Stormx> I have Gstreamer installed
[09:57] <jmcnaught> MikeW: no, don't set /home to bootable
[09:57] <lunitik> Although not terribly enlightening
[09:57] <Stormx> But still no MPEG Support ^_^
[09:57] <jmcnaught> MikeW: you should only have one bootable partition per operating system (so 2 for a dual boot for example)
[09:57] <Stormx> What, I have 1 OGG Vorbis album, a couple of WMA albums, and about 500 MP3 albums
[09:57] <Stormx> >_>
[09:57] <direwolf> i use mplayer, totem
[09:57] <direwolf> got rid of xine
[09:57] <direwolf> choppy playback on this poc
[09:57] <Stormx> Lets have a looky for MPEG support...
[09:58] <lunitik> Stormx, supposedly... gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg + ffmpeg will allow it... but most just use totem-xine and w32codecs to view MPEG's
[09:58] <MikeW> jmcnaught: Okay, the swap partition. 512mb okay?
[09:58] <thoreauputic> Stormx: the mp3s should play in totem or rhythmbox with gstreamer0.8-mad installed, or xmms/ beep
[09:58] <d_i> Weee!.. Just got ubuntu installed... nice system
[09:58] <Stormx> what does xmms/ beep mean?
[09:59] <direwolf> got rid of rhythmbox too
[09:59] <Stormx> Sorry if I'm sounding stupid.
[09:59] <direwolf> use xmms
[09:59] <Seveas> Stormx, xmms and beep-media-player are other mediaplayers
[09:59] <Stormx> Im trying
[09:59] <MikeW> jmcnaught: Primary or logical. I'd imagine logical would be the place to put it?
[09:59] <jmcnaught> MikeW: 512 is okay.  i used to recommend double your ram, but if you already have 512 ram 512 swap is good
[09:59] <Stormx> Seveas: I like XMMS, I had that running on Fedora Core and it just worked
[09:59] <thoreauputic> Stormx: if you install either xmms or beep-media-player and enable the esound output, mp3 should play
[09:59] <lunitik> Stormx, you mean XMMS beeped? or Beep the XMMS port to GTK+2.0?
[09:59] <jasoncohen> Seveas, isn't mp3 support as simple as "sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad"
[09:59] <Seveas> Stormx, then use it on ubuntu too :)
[10:00] <MikeW> jmcnaught: I got 128mb ram in the machine
[10:00] <Stormx> Seveas: Im trying
[10:00] <Stormx> OK
[10:00] <Seveas> jasoncohen, if you use totem with gstreamer backend: yes :)
[10:00] <jmcnaught> MikeW: if you're going to have less than 5 total partitions, they can all be primary.  if you need 5 or more partitions on the disc, some need to be logical
[10:00] <Stormx> Enable esound output
[10:00] <Stormx> in preferences...
[10:00] <jasoncohen> Seveas, or rhythmbox
[10:00] <Seveas> MikeW, then take 768 mb swap
[10:00] <lunitik> jasoncohen, yes... although he would rather you go to the wiki to see that...
[10:00] <Seveas> or maybe even a GB
[10:00] <jasoncohen> Seveas, what does beep-media-player use?
[10:00] <Seveas> jasoncohen, same as xmms
[10:00] <lunitik> jasoncohen, Beep is XMMS for GTK+2.x
[10:00] <jmcnaught> MikeW: yeah, 768 is good
[10:00] <MikeW> jmcnaught: yeah, I was wondering, because I about putting it to primary, because if I set it to logical, wouldn't ALL partitions after that fall into logical too
[10:00] <thoreauputic> Stormx: options-prefs in xmms
[10:00] <jasoncohen> then it should work fine because xmms plays mp3s here w/o issue
[10:01] <Stormx> OK
[10:01] <lunitik> jasoncohen, has different file browsers etc
[10:01] <lunitik> jasoncohen, you have libmad0 installed though
[10:01] <anton1> I need help with a eth0 that isn't found by ifconfig but by lspci
[10:01] <lunitik> jasoncohen, dpkg -l libmad0 if ya don't believe me  ;)
[10:01] <jasoncohen> lunitik, yes
[10:01] <MikeW> jmcnaught: and since I'll be installing vista afterwards it mightn't like being logical. Putting it as primary would work just as well?
[10:01] <lunitik> jasoncohen, thats what he's missing
[10:01] <snid> hey seveas - it seems Ubuntu loads to the point where it wants to mount the cd rom drive - even though it boots from the cd rom drive it can not find it to install Ubuntu ? any ideas
[10:01] <Stormx> WOH!
[10:01] <direwolf> ah, need a driver ?
[10:02] <jmcnaught> MikeW: hmmm... i usually make my / and swap as primary, and /home and sometimes /var as logical
[10:02] <Stormx> thoreauputic: I love you <3
[10:02] <jmcnaught> MikeW: what is vista?
[10:02] <thoreauputic> Stormx: heheh
[10:02] <jasoncohen> lunitik, libmad0 is a dependency of amarok i believe
[10:02] <Seveas> snid, maybe a missing driver, what kind of cdrom drive is it?
[10:02] <MikeW> jmcnaught: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/
[10:02] <lunitik> jmcnaught, new Windows version
[10:02] <jasoncohen> lunitik, actually, it's a dependency of mplayer
[10:02] <direwolf> vista will be the "new" version of windows (read as xp sp3)
[10:03] <jasoncohen> lunitik, apt-cache rdepends libmad0
[10:03] <Stormx> Time to listen to some Mad Capsule Markets in celebration of how helpfull you guys are ^_^
[10:03] <snid> I have tried several I have around - mitsumi and this one is an hp burner
[10:03] <jmcnaught> MikeW: oh... i've never installed windows before (exept once in an emulator).. so I don't really know how to setup a dualboot system
[10:03] <lunitik> jmcnaught, its crap, but you'll need new hardware to get any new features
[10:03] <Seveas> direwolf, there actually will be an SP3 for XP
[10:03] <anton1> I need help with a eth0 that isn't found by ifconfig but by lspci, I would be really happy to get some help
[10:03] <azik> direwolf, i heard that the sp3 for xp is in development
[10:03] <Stormx> Yeh it is
[10:03] <lunitik> jasoncohen, irrelivant... its on your system... and thats why XMMS can play MP3's
[10:03] <MikeW> Hmm, so my swap will be 768. Why does it need to be that large though?
[10:03] <Stormx> I downloaded one of the vista builds, but I don't have a DVD drive
[10:03] <direwolf> will it be a true sp or a rollup?
[10:03] <jasoncohen> lunitik, but as i said- IF you installed gstreamer0.8-mad you would have libmad0
[10:04] <snid> anyone having a problem where Ubuntu boots but can not find the cd rom drive to do the installation ?
[10:04] <jmcnaught> MikeW: it might not need to be that large.  it depends on how many things your computer will be running at once
[10:04] <jasoncohen> lunitik, gstreamer0.8-mad depends on libmad0
[10:04] <lunitik> jasoncohen, I know....
[10:04] <jasoncohen> lunitik, so the solution for all players is "sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad"- not just gstreamer based players
[10:04] <Seveas> jasoncohen, no
[10:04] <direwolf> vista is a waste ...they took anything halfway interesting out of it ...and theyre going to back port the more usful parts of vista
[10:04] <Bubbling_Zombie> anton1 , what kind of network card are we talking about
[10:04] <MikeW> jmcnaught: gnome. I installed warty before and my machine was under considerable strain from the desktop. Mabye such a large swap will really help things along :)
[10:04] <Seveas> only for gstreamer based ones
[10:04] <direwolf> vista = waste
[10:05] <Seveas> that's why adding it to ubotu is wrong :)
[10:05] <lunitik> jasoncohen, tell Seveas that
[10:05] <Stormx> direwolf: agreed
[10:05] <jmcnaught> MikeW: I have X-Chat (irc), a terminal, firefox with 8 tabs and system monitor running.  it reports that I'm using 175MB of ram right now
[10:05] <MikeW> direwolf: perhaps you should keep your focus on ubuntu in this channel? :)
[10:05] <pweyers_> hi, is there a channel for Open Office related questions in ubuntu?
[10:05] <Stormx> I heard they are gonna ship new PCs with a chip
[10:05] <anton1> a 3com network card
[10:05] <apokryphos> pweyers_: right here
[10:05] <Seveas> lunitik, watch it...
[10:05] <Stormx> So that only approved applications run
[10:05] <direwolf> ubuntu on the other hand ...moving at a fast pace
[10:05] <Bubbling_Zombie> let me check anton1 , give me a minute
[10:05] <direwolf> and we will have ...
[10:05] <Stormx> <3 Ubuntu
[10:05] <Stormx> It looks so pretty
[10:05] <jasoncohen> Seveas, not true- gstreamer0.8 installs libmad0 which is used by the xine engine as well. that's why totem-xine can play mp3s as well as xmms/bmp etc. once gstreamer0.8-mad is installed
[10:05] <direwolf> i was getting back to that mikew ;)
[10:05] <thoreauputic> VISTA Viruses Insecurities Spyware Trojans Adware
[10:05] <Stormx> rofl
[10:05] <Seveas> jasoncohen, xmms has mp3 stuff built in
[10:05] <jmcnaught> MikeW: 128 mb of ram is not a lot for Gnome.  but in linux you can choose to run a more lightweight desktop environment to have more ram for your apps
[10:06] <jasoncohen> Seveas, apt-cache show gstramer0.8-mad - you'll see libmad0 is a dependency
[10:06] <lunitik> jasoncohen, technically though, yes... although with KDE, you need akode-mad.... but then, thats not even listed on that page... so I guess thats not important
[10:06] <Stormx> I remember when I installed XMMS with FC3
[10:06] <Stormx> "We have removed MPEG Layer 3 support"
[10:06] <MikeW> jmcnaught: Hmm, for this swap partition. What filesystem should I use. What mount point?
[10:06] <Stormx> !#*&^!
[10:06] <ubotu> Stormx: I haven't a clue
[10:06] <Seveas> thoreauputic, the first vista viruses are already available :)
[10:06] <lunitik> MikeW, umm... swap
[10:06] <direwolf> and we will have probably 2 more releases at that point
[10:06] <thoreauputic> Seveas: hahah
[10:06] <jasoncohen> MikeW, swap
[10:06] <direwolf> hahaha
[10:06] <jmcnaught> MikeW: just make it a swap partition, it doesn't need a mount point or filesystem
[10:06] <MikeW> Hmm, I don't see swap in the partition list types list :/
[10:07] <Amaranth> phew, finally got that autopackage thread on the forums locked
[10:07] <apokryphos> lunitik: it was akode-mpeg I believe
[10:07] <Stormx> surely it needs to be mounted on /swap ?
[10:07] <MikeW> oh, I see it now
[10:07] <MartenH> thoreauputic, Hey. I just wanted to let you know I managed to get the cam working... only in one program out of three, but better than nothing =)
[10:07] <snid> hmm - again - any ideas as to why Ubuntu can load to install screen from a cd but then can not "mount" the cd to continue installation
[10:07] <Seveas> Stormx, no
[10:07] <jasoncohen> MikeW, fstab should look like "/dev/hdXX   none  swap sw  0 0"
[10:07] <jasoncohen> for swap
[10:07] <direwolf> primary ...then go go to filesystem type or whatever
[10:07] <direwolf> choose swap
[10:07] <lunitik> apokryphos, something like that... either way, wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats doesn't state anything about it
[10:07] <Seveas> a swap partition has no mountpoint
[10:07] <Stormx> OK I was mistaken
[10:07] <thoreauputic> MartenH: ah - well done !
[10:07] <MikeW> yes, I see it now. Thanks
[10:07] <jasoncohen> direwolf, wait, is he in the installer?
[10:07] <apokryphos> lunitik: yup
[10:07] <Stormx> ;-) Im useless at helping xD
[10:07] <direwolf> i thought
[10:07] <Seveas> lunitik, then add it, it's a wiki...
[10:08] <MartenH> thoreauputic, xawtv looks good, gqcam gives me a messed up pic and gnomemeeting fails to access the device. BUt I write it down as a victory :)
[10:08] <kaffeend> I'd really like to try xine, can someone please tell me where to go? :P
[10:08] <Piero> hi everyone
[10:08] <jasoncohen> lunitik, there is no akode-mad package
[10:08] <jmcnaught> MikeW: how much swap did you use last time you installed warty?
[10:08] <pweyers_> apokryphos, i cant find the BASE application in my open office suite on ubuntu 5.04
[10:08] <pweyers_> how would i go about adding it?
[10:08] <lunitik> apokryphos, so technically... for everything the wiki currently covers... gstreamer0.8-mad would surfice for MP3 support... but apparently we can't add that to the bots mp3 listing
[10:08] <Bubbling_Zombie> anton, what kind of 3com card?
[10:08] <Seveas> pweyers_, there is no base in that version yet
[10:08] <MikeW> jmcnaught: either 256 or 512
[10:08] <jasoncohen> lunitik, it's akode-mpeg
[10:09] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: just enable the repositories and install xine-ui or totem-xine
[10:09] <jasoncohen> btw- does totem-gstreamer support musepack?
[10:09] <apokryphos> lunitik: no reason was given?
[10:09] <jmcnaught> MikeW: did you ever get errors about being out of memory or have strange crashes?
[10:09] <lunitik> jasoncohen, apokryphos is way ahead of you... but thanks for your input
[10:09] <jasoncohen> and what about the xine engine
[10:09] <Piero> I need to recompiling the vanilla kernel. I've a Celeron Mobile notebook, In "Processor type and features" section which I must select?
[10:09] <lunitik> apokryphos, about what?
[10:09] <zAo^> can I upgrade the nvidia-glx pkg without losing DRI? Breezy
[10:09] <apokryphos> lunitik: adding that to the factoid
[10:09] <Seveas> Piero: You can find compilation instructions on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto
[10:09] <lunitik> apokryphos, nope
[10:09] <jasoncohen> lunitik, heh, iddn't see that
[10:09] <anton1> my card is a thunder thing I guess, but I am using it now, from the livecd
[10:09] <lunitik> apokryphos, s/he stated my name... then changed it back
[10:09] <kaffeend> thoreauputic - geez I really do wish it were that simple... But I'd need to install off of the cd right?
[10:10] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: no
[10:10] <MikeW> jmcnaught: Nope. I just deleted the partitions after I couldn't get sound working, after I found the machine slow to boot and it was unresponsive, and after I found apps running slower on it than the equivilent on windows
[10:10] <apokryphos> Seveas: what was the reason for forgetting the previous factoid for mp3?
[10:10] <kaffeend> o_O
[10:10] <Stormx> 0_o
[10:10] <Bubbling_Zombie> zAo^ : can nvidia handle dri?
[10:10] <Seveas> lunitik, adding that crud to the factoid is wrong since it only works for grstreamer or libmad apps
[10:10] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: you just enable the extra repos and use synaptic to install from them
[10:10] <MikeW> jmcnaught: i.e. firefox would launch pretty quickly on windows but would take two or three times to load on ubuntu
[10:10] <kadigibox> Oh another question.  What percentage of SID packages are used in Ubuntu.  Or are all of them used and just patched on?
[10:10] <Seveas> and not nearly all apps use that
[10:10] <Seveas> as I said before
[10:10] <zAo^> Bubbling_Zombie, lol, tey're the best :D
[10:10] <kaffeend> okily dokily
[10:10] <Bubbling_Zombie> anton1 : i find some references to "modprobe 3c59x"... maybe you can try that :-/
[10:10] <zAo^> in Linux-land ^^
[10:10] <Bubbling_Zombie> zAo^ sure
[10:11] <Bubbling_Zombie> but can they use DRI :p
[10:11] <MikeW> jmcnaught: plus I found it strange that the console would take... ages to load when cmd.exe was instant :/
[10:11] <Stormx> MikeW: Firefox loads much quicker on ubuntu for me
[10:11] <thoreauputic> !tell kaffeend about multimedia
[10:11] <zAo^> jep
[10:11] <jmcnaught> MikeW: 128 ram is pushing it for gnome (the default desktop environment for ubuntu).  you can run a slimmed down one called xfce that doesn't have as many features, but is very fast.
[10:11] <zAo^> any Breezy ppl here with Nvidia VGA??
[10:11] <Pega> Hmm. Does anyone know why all the sounds are so quiet in ubuntu? I mean... in windos half of my speakers power is more than I have ever needed to use in any situaton (even when listening to music when i was in diffrent room) but now full power barely lets me hear the speaking in totem movie player.
[10:11] <lunitik> Seveas, libmad is the defacto mp3 library on linux... gstreamer0.8-mad installs libmad0, and the wiki states nothing about akode-mpeg, so it would surfice for all instances the wiki talks about
[10:11] <Pega> Even tho it show that the voice is full
[10:11] <Seveas> lunitik, plain nonsense.
[10:11] <direwolf> xfce
[10:11] <anton1> Ok, I have just switched to linux, so I am new to this,  can you give a link to a guide of some sort
[10:11] <Fanskapet> hmm don't get it why people is using breezy
[10:11] <Seveas> please read
[10:11] <Stormx> Pega, have you checked the volume controls and such?
[10:12] <MartenH> I just love updating with Ubuntu. New updates often and almost always on the fly so I can keep the system running!
[10:12] <Fanskapet> kind looses the whole thing about ubuntu... stable and secureness
[10:12] <Pega> I can't find them. xD
[10:12] <direwolf> still pushin it with my 64mb poc hahaha
[10:12] <kaffeend> k thanks thoreauputic
[10:12] <Fanskapet> install gentoo if you always want the cutting edge..
[10:12] <Stormx> Applications > Sound and video > Volume Control
[10:12] <lunitik> Seveas, name an instance where libmad0 or gstreamer0.8-mad doesn't allow a player to play mp3's... other than KDE apps, which aren't listed anyways on the wiki
[10:12] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: you're welcome :)
[10:12] <Pega> Stormx, went to system -> preferences, audio, but didnt find the volume
[10:12] <Seveas> lunitik, you just said it :)
[10:12] <Seveas> KDE apps
[10:12] <jasoncohen> has anyone tried playing a musepack audio file in totem or rhythmbox
[10:12] <lunitik> Seveas, go add it... and I will shut up
[10:12] <Bubbling_Zombie> anton1 : that's the point. i only find sporadic references to it.
[10:13] <Seveas> lunitik, don't boss me
[10:13] <salil> can anyone tell me.. how do i convert mobie files to mobile movie files.. ??? is there any software for that in linux..??
[10:13] <Stormx> Pega: Applications > Audio and Video > Volume Control
[10:13] <Seveas> i've warned you before, calm down...
[10:13] <lunitik> Seveas, you do it to everyone else
[10:13] <MikeW> jmcnaught: I know I can. I'm willing to give gnome another go though because its 'easy to use' and my choices for a fast desktop are XFCE and Windows XPs own shell. I'll gnome again
[10:13] <Pega> oh, thanks
[10:13] <Seveas> lunitik, when?
[10:13] <apokryphos> Seveas: actually, amaroK (the mp3 player for Kubuntu) comes with mp3 support, so the akode-mpeg isn't actually needed
[10:13] <Bubbling_Zombie> you could try asking a bit longer or make a thread about it on the forum. sadly , i don't have experience with that card.
[10:13] <MikeW> jmcnaught: Hmm, "No root file system. No root file system is defined" :/
[10:13] <lunitik> Seveas, read the last hour of logs... its happened at least 7 times during that period
[10:13] <Stormx> Pega: Try all the volume controls, the "PCM" control did it for me. Its only on half by default
[10:13] <Seveas> lunitik, sure, point me to one then...
[10:14] <salil> can anyone tell me.. how do i convert mobie files to mobile movie files.. ??? is there any software for that in linux..??
[10:14] <MikeW> jmcnaught: perhaps I should have set /home to be bootable after all?
[10:14] <lunitik> That alone is bossing me around Seveas
[10:14] <salil> can anyone tell me.. how do i convert movie files to mobile movie files.. ??? is there any software for that in linux..??
[10:14] <Seveas> lunitik, that's it, stop being annoying
[10:14] <anton1> I have a thread so I am hoping someone can give a hand, but thanks anyway, I will try reading up on some modprobing then
[10:14] <thoreauputic> MikeW: /home is never bootable by definition
[10:14] <Stormx> rofl
[10:14] <apokryphos> Seveas: I think you're seriously overreacting here.
[10:14] <jmcnaught> MikeW: the root or / filesystem is the most important one.  all the other partitions attach into it somewhere.  you need a root partition that is bootable, and then you can optionally have a /home partition, or a /var partition, /usr etc
[10:14] <Stormx> you show him Seveas
[10:14] <Spudchat> what mode is q ?
[10:14] <MikeW> Okay, I'll do the automatically partitioning thing then
[10:14] <Bubbling_Zombie> salil - don't repeat your question to fast
[10:14] <Bubbling_Zombie> :)-
[10:14] <Spudchat> ive never seen it before
[10:14] <apokryphos> Seveas: the last thing we want to do is quiet helpful people such as him
[10:14] <Spudchat> ahh nm
[10:15] <Stormx> MikeW: Explain, whats your situation. 1 HDD?
[10:15] <Seveas> apokryphos, may be. The channel is too busy for recalcitrant discussions
[10:15] <Pega> Stormx, the speakers volume was in like 2 percents or so. Thanks.
[10:15] <salil> Bubbling_Zombie: nobody answered... i thought nobody saw my question..
[10:15] <apokryphos> Seveas: You were just as much a part of it as he was.
[10:15] <Stormx> Pega: NP. xD I helped someone
[10:15] <f_newton> I just installed clamav and in an attempt to update the database it says it cannot function becauase its ver 83 and it needs to be ver 86  clamav is outdated.... whats up with that eh?
[10:15] <salil> Bubbling_Zombie: do you know anything about that..??
[10:15] <thoreauputic> Seveas: I tend to agree with apokryphos : lunitik has helped people here a lot
[10:15] <Bubbling_Zombie> no, was just giving you some pointers :-/
[10:16] <kaffeend> BTW - I managed to finally get my refresh rate back to 85Hz :D
[10:16] <Seveas> thoreauputic, I know
[10:16] <airmikey> anyone running pekwm wm ?
[10:16] <Seveas> but personal attacks are not done
[10:16] <kaffeend> thanks to a small team heh
[10:16] <Stormx> Seveas: It was hardly a personal attack o.O
[10:16] <apokryphos> Seveas: I didn't see him making any ad hominems
[10:17] <thoreauputic> Seveas: perhaps, but if the personal attack had been on someone else they wouldn't have your power to +q ;)
[10:17] <Stormx> Oh, and by the way, any suggestions on getting the screen resolution above 1024x76?
[10:17] <jmcnaught> i've got the i810/830 chipset, and totem (or anything that uses Xv) crashes when I play a video.  I found a bug for it in bugzilla, which says it's resolved in xorg 6.8.2-34.  hoary only has 6.8.2-10, is there anything i can do?
[10:17] <Seveas> thoreauputic, I would have acted in that case too
[10:17] <Seveas> and you should know that as a regular visitor of this channel :)
[10:17] <kaffeend> thoreauputic I'm not really sure what I'm meant to be doing in synaptic :s Where can I read up on this stuff?
[10:17] <MikeW> Stormx: I got 2 hdds, IDE1 Master is where I'm installing ubuntu. I'll set up other OSes later. No matter though, I got it. Installing the base system now :)
[10:18] <thoreauputic> Seveas: just acting as the guy who stands behind the Emperor on the chariot and whispers "Thou art mortal" ;)
[10:18] <Stormx> MikeW: OK, as long as you have enough space and arn't overwriting anything
[10:18] <apokryphos> Seveas: you're over-exaggerating. He was asking genuine questions, and you were literally on his case, and without just cause at first
[10:18] <kaffeend> oops - nvm
[10:18] <apokryphos> Seveas: i.e. when telling him to not play with the bot.
[10:18] <thoreauputic> !tell kaffeend about synaptic
[10:18] <salil> can anyone tell me.. how do i convert movie files to mobile movie files.. ??? is there any software for that in linux..??
[10:18] <kaffeend> thoreauputic please strike my last question
[10:18] <MartenH> geh, I don't know what to do with my installation.. got everything set up they way I want it I think, what more fun can I have?
[10:18] <Seveas> apokryphos, I was correcting the error he made in the bot...
[10:18] <MikeW> Stormx: Nah, I bought another hdd. I notice that the installer seen it as a 30gb hdd though :/
[10:18] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: you worked it out?
[10:19] <Seveas> and I tell everybody not to play/experiment with the bot
[10:19] <Stormx> MikeW: Bah, might be windows fucking up the table, else you need to ajust the bios o.O
[10:19] <kaffeend> no I just opened my eyes
[10:19] <Stormx> A bot?
[10:19] <Stormx> Sweeeeeeet
[10:19] <apokryphos> Seveas: there's ways of saying things. There's no harm in kindly suggesting that they /msg instead
[10:19] <kaffeend> you already gave me something to read and I wasn't reading it!
[10:19] <MikeW> My BIOS can't use large hdds. I used maxtors maxpart tool to get the drive to report its a 30gb to the bios on startup. I just hope linux can see the full hdd later on
[10:20] <kaffeend> I'm really tired in case you couldn't tell
[10:20] <Stormx> MikeW: I hope so, for your sake >_> what can your BIOS handle up to?
[10:20] <alexrait> I have a problem with my X on breezy. When I start xorg it says there is a fatal error due to not being able to open the font "fixed"
[10:20] <MikeW> Stormx: 32gb
[10:20] <Seveas> alexrait, read the topic :)
[10:20] <wastrel> bah
[10:21] <MikeW> Seveas: when will breezy be ready to use
[10:21] <Seveas> alexrait, in this case it can be fixed with a symlink to the correct font dir - search bugzila for details
[10:21] <Seveas> MikeW, in October :)
[10:21] <Stormx> :)
[10:21] <Seveas> (and hopefully a bit earlier too)
[10:21] <mattyJ> Seveas: is there going to be another colony release before the preview release?
[10:21] <MikeW> Seveas: will there be a largely working beta before that?
[10:21] <alexrait> Seveas I tried to symlink... and mkfontdir but it didn't help
[10:21] <Burgundavia> mattyJ, should be
[10:21] <Seveas> MikeW, several
[10:21] <Stormx> Also, I lost my code when I received my order :(
[10:21] <MartenH> Seveas, will breezy include ndiswrapper and wpa_supplicant by default?
[10:21] <alexrait> Seveas the font dir is /usr/lib/X11/fonts ?
[10:21] <Seveas> MartenH, not on CD unfortunately
[10:21] <kaffeend> caffeinated that is
[10:22] <Seveas> alexrait, ENOIDEA - I don't use Breezy
[10:22] <Stormx> Seveas: Um, can ubuntu handle over 1024x768?
[10:22] <MartenH> Seveas, ok. Got broadband so that's ok with me =)
[10:22] <wastrel> anyone have experience with data recovery?  i deleted a file i needed :] 
[10:22] <thoreauputic> Stormx: sure
[10:22] <Seveas> Stormx, sure
[10:22] <Stormx> rofl
[10:22] <Stormx> xD
[10:22] <Stormx> OK How?
[10:22] <apokryphos> Seveas: will you remove the silence? He's not a troll, spammer et al. If you wanted to eliminate recalcitrant discussion about your decisions from the #ubuntu channel you should really ask him to /msg you instead, not quieten them. That is, only if you're willing to substantiate your decision
[10:22] <Seveas> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:23] <thoreauputic> !tell Stormx about resolution
[10:23] <MartenH> I can upgrade Hoary to Breezy without anything beeing affected, right?
[10:23] <apokryphos> MartenH: no. Things could break.
[10:23] <MartenH> (What it is finalized)
[10:23] <apokryphos> MartenH: yes
[10:23] <MartenH> s/what/when
[10:23] <apokryphos> MartenH: a dist-upgrade of stable -> stable is supported
[10:24] <kaffeend> apokryphos that fixed my refresh rate, mate :D
[10:24] <MartenH> apokryphos, ok, thought so but I'm new to this so I wanted to make sure
[10:24] <Stormx> Enter the amount of memory to be used by your video card.... HELP!
[10:24] <apokryphos> kaffeend: cool
[10:24] <Stormx> Hello?
[10:24] <holycow> Stormx, just leave it blank
[10:24] <holycow> and go to next step
[10:24] <MartenH> Does breezy run on the same linux kernel as hoary?
[10:25] <holycow> no
[10:25] <Pega> Stormx, you are trying to change the resolution? System - preferencens and 10th option counting from the end (i dunno what it is in english
[10:25] <Seveas> Stormx, answer the default to everything except the resolution :)
[10:25] <Seveas> MartenH, hoary has 2.6.10, breezy 2.6.12
[10:25] <bluemax> hey i'm planning to install windows XP after i've installed ubuntu, and i have some questions
[10:25] <MartenH> Seveas, ok
[10:26] <Stormx> Um....
[10:26] <Burgundavia> bluefoxicy, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[10:26] <thoreauputic> Seveas: FWIW I second apokryphos 's motion to let lunitik speak
[10:26] <Stormx> It didn't say anything about resolution xD
[10:26] <bluemax> i'm gonna be using a brand new hard disk for the windows XP install, so once I install windows, will i have any problems booting into Ubuntu then?
[10:26] <tiglionabbit> oops.  In writing the wiki, how do I type a ^ without it making everything superscript?
[10:26] <Burgundavia> bluefoxicy, sorry
[10:26] <bluemax> Burgundavia: i assume that was for me, thanks
[10:26] <Burgundavia> bluemax, yes
[10:26] <MartenH> I downloaded and built a driver for my webcam to work. Will I have to rebuild it once I switch to breezy to make it use the correct kernel files? (since it needed some of those when it was built)
[10:26] <holycow> bluemax, not if you setup grub properly, it can be tricky with two hds from what i've read
[10:27] <bluefoxicy> Burgundavia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacking:_The_Art_of_Exploitation
[10:27] <bluefoxicy> Burgundavia:  oops, spam.  :)
[10:27] <holycow> bluemax, google dual boot with windows on second hd, i've seen some recent posts on that topic
[10:27] <bluemax> ok, another question: does it matter which HD i set to master and which to slave? is there a preference aside from my own?
[10:27] <bluemax> holycow: ok thanks
[10:27] <tiglionabbit> Burgundavia: how do I write a ^ in the wiki without it going superscript?
[10:27] <holycow> no it doesn't matter, buty it does matter that you keep them at that config after install
[10:28] <AudioMove> is their an equivilant X app like RH system-config-services in ubuntu?
[10:28] <hubsi> zicke
[10:28] <Seveas> AudioMove, update-rc.d
[10:28] <bluemax> ok
[10:28] <Seveas> AudioMove, or bum (see the 3rd part section on the forum)
[10:28] <Seveas> the former is not a GUI app
[10:29] <Seveas> for breezy there will be an official app to do that (it's included in gnome)
[10:29] <holycow> or you can wait until breezy, there is something in the next gnome that is supposed to address that
[10:29] <Burgundavia> tiglionabbit, no idea
[10:29] <Stormx> Hey sexies
[10:29] <tiglionabbit> where's the formatting tips page?
[10:30] <Stormx> Is there one? o.O look in the wiki
[10:30] <tiglionabbit> I'm looking
[10:30] <tiglionabbit> ah here we go
[10:30] <MartenH> apokryphos, Seveas, I downloaded and built a driver for my webcam to work. Will I have to rebuild it once I switch to breezy to make it use the correct kernel files? (since it needed some of those when it was built)
[10:31] <Seveas> MartenH, yes you will need to rebuild it
[10:31] <geekla> how can I configure my printer to be shared via smb on the network? I have samba and smbfs installed, but I don't see anywhere to configure it.
[10:31] <MartenH> Seveas, ok, darn, but good to know  =)
[10:31] <AudioMove> thanks Seveas
[10:32] <Stormx> Seveas: Maybe you should unmute that guy now, im sure he's learnt his lesson...
[10:32] <MikeW> woohoo
[10:32] <MikeW> "Grub Loading stage1.5." "GRUB loading, please wait...", "Error 18"
[10:32] <Stormx> o.O
[10:32] <Stormx> Grub didn't work...
[10:32] <holycow> MikeW, last time i've had that i had to fix where it was expecting the kernel to be
[10:34] <Stormx> MikeW: I'm looking into it, apparently its something to do with the partitioning
[10:34] <Stormx> This is just a suggestion, but run a live CD and use "cfdisk". Press w to re-write the partition tables
[10:35] <Seveas> MikeW, enable LBA in your bios
[10:35] <Seveas> error 18 can be solved by that
[10:35] <Stormx> Seveas, damn your infinite wisdom _
[10:35] <Stormx> pieman!
[10:36] <pieman> heya  im having trouble with my resolution, erm i checked the conf and all the resolutions are there 800x600 etc 1024 n bits,  but i CANT choose anything but 640 480 in the resolution changer,
[10:36] <pieman> any ideas?
[10:36] <zace> ...
[10:36] <zace> no
[10:36] <Stormx> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[10:36] <kaffeend> can anyone tell me what this means please? (synaptic:8798): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_tree_view_unref_tree_helper: assertion `node != NULL' failed
[10:36] <pieman> tried storm
[10:36] <Pega> Hmm. If I install windows inside Ubuntu, can I access and edit all my ntfs drives with it?
[10:36] <Stormx> damn >_>
[10:37] <pieman> im using an intel inbuilt thing
[10:37] <MikeW> Seveas: the drive is already LBA
[10:37] <Seveas> Pega, access yes, edit no
[10:37] <pieman> but still, its all there, and it should do 1024 768 etc
[10:37] <holycow> pieman, you need the righ horizontal and vertical refresh rates for your monitor in your xorg.conf file
[10:37] <holycow> you can find those on the back of the moni or on the net
[10:37] <Stormx> pieman, well its probably not detecting your video card correctly
[10:37] <pieman> ah erm, i couldnt see them
[10:37] <pieman> like in the conf
[10:37] <pieman> @ the refreshes
[10:37] <holycow> let me find what you are looking for
[10:37] <Pega> Seveas, so the only help i get from installing windows in ubuntu will be software compatibility?
[10:38] <Stormx> Pega: What do you mean installing windows in ubuntu?!
[10:38] <holycow> pieman, posted to you in msg window
[10:38] <Seveas> Stormx, I assume VMware or something alike :)
[10:38] <Stormx> Pega: and there is NTFS support, There may be read support in ubuntu (not sure) and there are apps with experimental write support
[10:39] <MikeW> Seveas: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=250641 seems to be the same issue for me
[10:39] <Stormx> Pega: You're best off just installing windows but making the partition FAT
[10:39] <Stormx> brb
[10:39] <Pega> ok
[10:39] <^thehatsrule^> Pega/stormx: there is, use captive-ntfs, its the best - but you need a windows installation/cd to copy some files off it
[10:40] <^thehatsrule^> the ntfs dlls that is
[10:40] <DVSoftware> ^thehatsrule^, i think captive can download required files
[10:40] <Pega> And is there any way to change my hard drives to fat from ntfs without losing 260 gigs veeeeeeeeeery legally downloaded stuff?
[10:40] <Seveas> ^thehatsrule^, did you get captive to work on Ubuntu?
[10:40] <^thehatsrule^> DVSoftware: i dont think so, its copyrighted by m$
[10:40] <clownhunter> hey, how d'ya reconfig x11?
[10:40] <clownhunter> dpkg-reconfigure x11?
[10:41] <^thehatsrule^> Seveas: i cant remember where i tried it on... debian ubutnu or dsl... lol
[10:41] <^thehatsrule^> should work tho
[10:41] <kaffeend> I just tried to run the following: bash:~$ sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/original.sources.list Which returned with: bash: bash:~$: command not found
[10:41] <DVSoftware> i know, i've used it
[10:41] <kaffeend> can someone help me out please?
[10:42] <DVSoftware> Pega, was that ironic?
[10:42] <Chaotic_Shield> kaffeend, are you using a root terminal?
[10:42] <Goodspeed> how do i delete something
[10:42] <Goodspeed> whats the commadn
[10:42] <clownhunter> kaffeend: dunno, reading the topic is always nice
[10:42] <kaffeend> I got that command from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingMultimediaRepositories
[10:42] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: you run the bit *after* the bash $ part
[10:42] <bimberi> kaffeend: leave out the "bash:~$" at the start
[10:42] <holycow> kaffeend, are you running breezy?
[10:42] <^thehatsrule^> Goodspeed: rm
[10:42] <Pega> DVSoftware, maybe a bit. That propably doesn't matter. Can I change it without huge data loss?
[10:42] <^thehatsrule^> Goodspeed: use rm --help to see everything i suppose
[10:43] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: the command begins at "sudo cp"
[10:43] <poningru> I had a question why arent we reducing the amount of apps that we throw out there?
[10:43] <Pega> Or do I need to, like, copy one hard drive to linux, then change it to fat, move the files back, and then with next hard drive?
[10:43] <DVSoftware> yes if you have another 260 gb hdd
[10:43] <Pega> oh
[10:43] <kaffeend> so many questions.... what is breezy? leave out bash:~$ and I'm using the user terminal I guess
[10:44] <Chaotic_Shield> breezy == new Ubuntu version I think.
[10:44] <Burgundavia> Chaotic_Shield, correct
[10:44] <kaffeend> okies
[10:44] <MartenH> kaffeend, breezy is the next generation of bunut. you should be running hoary now since breezy is still in development
[10:44] <Chaotic_Shield> :)
[10:44] <Pega> DVSoftware, that sucks. :( Well, thanks anyways.
[10:44] <yhager> kaffeend, just start the command with the 'sudo' part, not the 'bash' part..
[10:44] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: bash:~$ is just the prompt
[10:44] <DVSoftware> Pega, just do that but instead of fat put ext3 or reiserfs and get rid of windows
[10:44] <Shadowpillar> question
[10:44] <^thehatsrule^> its unstable
[10:44] <Chaotic_Shield> it should be 'sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list........
[10:44] <Shadowpillar> how do I stop mozplugger from going out of control?
[10:44] <DVSoftware> :D
[10:44] <Chaotic_Shield> !mpe
[10:44] <ubotu> Wish i knew, Chaotic_Shield
[10:44] <Chaotic_Shield> !mp3
[10:44] <ubotu> rumour has it, mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[10:44] <Chaotic_Shield> ok
[10:44] <Chaotic_Shield> thanks Code_Dark
[10:44] <holycow> kaffeend, if you don't know what is breezy, theyn you aren't running it :) which is good
[10:45] <kaffeend> I don't know... I typed exactly what it said to type - actually, I just copied and pasted it
[10:45] <kaffeend> but I don't know WHAT I'm running
[10:45] <Shadowpillar> whenever an mp3 or wav file is played in the background of a play, it plays the sound a million times it seems (not looping, it spawns a shitload of processes all playing the same sound, and almost crashes the computer)
[10:45] <Pega> DVSoftware, my sister has used to use windows... Tho she would propably learn ubuntu very soon (this seems quite easy to use). So maybe I'll do that...
[10:45] <kaffeend> hoarty?
[10:45] <yhager> kaffeend, just copy starting the word 'sudo' and try again!
[10:45] <Chaotic_Shield> hey Seveas or Amaranth, could you unban Code_Dark? He's disabled his script.
[10:45] <kaffeend> ok
[10:45] <Pega> Anyways. good nite, everyone.
[10:45] <^thehatsrule^> hoary, its the codename for ubuntu
[10:45] <^thehatsrule^> at least, this version
[10:45] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: start the copy paste *after* the bash:~$
[10:45] <pieman> hey er
[10:46] <pieman> holycow
[10:46] <pieman> etc
[10:46] <pieman> heres my conf
[10:46] <pieman> http://legion.gibbering.net/cyanidenights/xorg.conf
[10:46] <MartenH> kaffeend, sudo means that you run it as super use (sudo=super user do), this gives you extended right that your user doesn't have by default
[10:46] <apokryphos> ^thehatsrule^: strictly speaking it's the codename for version 5.04 of Ubuntu
[10:46] <MartenH> kaffeend, cp means copy
[10:46] <Chaotic_Shield> aka it's like running it from a root terminal.
[10:46] <Seveas> Chaotic_Shield, ack
[10:46] <Amaranth> Chaotic_Shield: Seveas has to do it, he is the one that made the ban.
[10:46] <^thehatsrule^> apokryphos: ah yea, i sorta forgot the version # for a sec :P
[10:46] <Seveas> Amaranth, you can still remove it :)
[10:46] <Chaotic_Shield> Amaranth, you can unban too, you're an op.
[10:46] <Shadowpillar> anyone know?
[10:46] <Amaranth> Seveas, Chaotic_Shield: I cannot step on the toes of other ops.
[10:47] <Amaranth> It's not my place.
[10:47] <MartenH> kaffeend, and cp /something/filea /something/fileb will make a copy of filea and save it as fileb
[10:47] <Chaotic_Shield> Yes you can, there's only 1 other :-P
[10:47] <kaffeend> ok I did it and no error message - but just went back to the prompt
[10:47] <bimberi> perhaps it's a matter of etiquette
[10:47] <Seveas> Amaranth, I do it all the time to keep the ban list manageable...
[10:47] <kaffeend> so much to learn - just to listen to music o_O
[10:48] <MartenH> kaffeend, then it succeeded. yuo now have a copy of the file
[10:48] <Amaranth> Seveas: I do it for older bans, sure.
[10:48] <kaffeend> cool
[10:48] <MartenH> kaffeend, get an mp3 player :) j/k
[10:48] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: in *nix, silence means success ;)
[10:48] <bimberi> kaffeend: you can check that the file is there with "ls /etc/apt"
[10:48] <apokryphos> "Silence is Golden"
[10:48] <kaffeend> MartenH that's what I've been trying to do for the last 2 days!
[10:48] <cavediver> Anyone have an idea on how to split a large file in rar-chunks?
[10:48] <holycow> pieman, you need HorizSync       30-70 VertRefresh     50-160 in your monitor section, but with ranges specific to your monitor model
[10:49] <gregj> guys, anyone knows why ubuntu doesn't ship openexr (debian does)
[10:49] <jmcnaught> kaffeend: are you adding repositories to /etc/apt/sources.list?  you can do that thru synaptic in hoary if you find it easier that way
[10:49] <PurpleMotion> i fixeded it
[10:49] <PurpleMotion> thank you everyone for your help and support
[10:49] <PurpleMotion> :)
[10:49] <PurpleMotion> now getting 200+ fps in glxgears fullscreen (1280x960)
[10:50] <Seveas> gregj, Ubuntu has it
[10:50] <Seveas> in universe
[10:50] <Amaranth> PurpleMotion: 200+ is a decent software renderer
[10:50] <gregj> can't see it
[10:50] <kaffeend> think I'd rather give up - I asked how to do it so many times and each time I discover another way to do it
[10:50] <Seveas> !info openexr
[10:50] <ubotu> openexr: (Viewer and docs for the OpenEXR image format), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 1.2.1-2 (hoary), Packaged size: 424 kB, Installed size: 736 kB
[10:50] <MartenH> kaffeend, it can be tricky sometimes. I'm new to it too. Took me aw hile to get webcam and stuff set up right but stick at it and you'll get there
[10:50] <kaffeend> might just buy an i-pod
[10:50] <PurpleMotion> the problem was the ubuntu package, so far as i can tell.. i installed the ati driver fromt heir site, and took the Moduels and Device sections from the xorg.conf it generated and put them in mine
[10:50] <MartenH> kaffeend, (except for my WPA support as Seves can vouch for)
[10:51] <xliu> my usb can not be mounted automatically, though it could be, any one has suggestions?
[10:51] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: heh - there are usually quite a few ways to do anything in linux
[10:51] <PurpleMotion> Amaranth:  i suppose you get about six thousand, eh
[10:51] <Seveas> *shiver* MartenH
[10:51] <gregj> Seveas: but no libopenexr3 and no libopenexr-dev
[10:51] <PurpleMotion> it's only a 9250
[10:51] <gregj> libopenexr2
[10:51] <MartenH> Seveas, :)
[10:51] <Seveas> I remember the horrors you went through with that
[10:51] <PurpleMotion> on a 1.7ghz box
[10:51] <kaffeend> which is precisely the problem - too much variety and customisability
[10:51] <kaffeend> makes kaffeend a dull boy
[10:51] <Seveas> gregj, ubuntu ships 2 instead of 3
[10:51] <Amaranth> PurpleMotion: I get about 380
[10:52] <apokryphos> kaffeend: customizability is a good thing ;-)
[10:52] <jmcnaught> kaffeend: in synaptic go to settings > repositories.  you can turn universe and multiverse on in there, or add a new repository just by clicking add, then clicking the custom button and pasting the line in.
[10:52] <MartenH> Seveas, MIght give it another try eventually, just need to know my way around ubuntu and linux a bit better first. Don'tr want to have to run around asking stuff all the time
[10:52] <equex> what file does xserver really read ? /etc/X11/xorg.conf or /etc/X11/FX86config-4 file ? because ati's fglrxconfig tool writes to the latter.
[10:52] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: in a few months you will feel differently about that :)
[10:52] <kaffeend> k
[10:52] <Seveas> equex, on warty the Xfree file on hoary the xorg
[10:52] <Amaranth> PurpleMotion: My card is almost worse than software.
[10:52] <PurpleMotion> equex:  ditch the ubuntu fglrx package amd download the one from ati.com
[10:52] <Amaranth> PurpleMotion: Tell someone to do that and you'd better be willing to support it.
[10:52] <equex> Seveas: alas, but if i edit the ATI section in the XF86 file, performance change.
[10:52] <PurpleMotion> equex:  i just went through all that for over an hour
[10:53] <gregj> Seveas: well, I had to download libopenexr[2|-dev]  from debian, and openexr it self is in ubuntu\
[10:53] <Seveas> equex, are you running warty?
[10:53] <PurpleMotion> Amaranth:  considering i just pulled my hair out for an hour over it, i'd be MORE than happy to :)
[10:53] <equex> hoary
[10:53] <Seveas> or are you still runnung the warty X server?
[10:53] <equex> say that, can they confict perhaps?
[10:53] <Seveas> equex, yes
[10:53] <equex> the two configs
[10:53] <equex> aha
[10:53] <Seveas> equex, you should install ubuntu-desktop during upgrades by the way
[10:53] <thoreauputic> equex: what does " cat /etc/issue  ' say?
[10:53] <Amaranth> btw, breezy might not have fglrx
[10:54] <equex> get one straight and copy that over th other
[10:54] <Amaranth> and it might not be installable even from ati.com
[10:54] <Seveas> Amaranth, hmm?
[10:54] <PurpleMotion> equex:  I *just now* got my radeom 9250 working optimally.. would you like me to tell you how i did it?
[10:54] <Amaranth> Seveas: ATI needs to make a new driver for X11R7
[10:54] <PurpleMotion> radeon
[10:54] <Seveas> restricted-modules has hit breezy today :)
[10:54] <Seveas> oh....
[10:54] <Seveas> I see...
[10:54] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, write it on a wikipage so others can benefit from it too
[10:54] <Seveas> :)
[10:54] <Amaranth> Seveas: fglrx still works in breezy right now because we don't have the X11R7 RC0 xserver yet
[10:54] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: i foresee a tripling of binary driver questions...
[10:55] <equex> PurpleMotion: yes please ? ;p
[10:55] <Goodspeed> how do i fix broken packages
[10:55] <Goodspeed> in terminal
[10:55] <PurpleMotion> equex: msg me
[10:55] <PurpleMotion> Seveas:  I most certainly will
[10:55] <equex> thoreauputic: nothing important, just a security notice "do not log in if blah blah:
[10:56] <apokryphos> Goodspeed: see man apt-get. --fix-broken
[10:56] <apokryphos> or just -f
[10:56] <thoreauputic> equex: that's the output of cat /etc/issue ? In that case something is wrong
[10:57] <thoreauputic> equex: it should say something like Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" \n \l
[10:57] <apokryphos> Always wondered what the \n \l is
[10:58] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: yes me too :) looks like a line break or something
[10:58] <Goodspeed> apokryphos that didnt work
[10:58] <Seveas> \n = name of workstation  \l = tty
[10:58] <Seveas> look in your virtual consoles with ctrl-alt-F1
[10:58] <Seveas> (alt-f7 brings X back)
[10:58] <thoreauputic> ah
[10:58] <apokryphos> Goodspeed: sudo apt-get -f install didn't help?
[10:59] <Goodspeed> nm synaptic fixed it
[11:00] <pweyers_> being a linux newbie, what would be my steps to get the BASE application installed? do i need to add new repositories or should i just reinstall the new open office from scratch?
[11:00] <selinium> Hi all, anyone know how to create a DVD iso using dd?
[11:00] <thoreauputic> Seveas: the output looks the same in tty2 - did I miss something?
[11:00] <francesco_> Hello! I have an hd with winxp and an hd with ubuntu. GRUB is on the winxp hd (on the mbr). Can I setup GRUB so that when I unplug ubuntu's hd, winxp boots anyway?
[11:00] <Seveas> thoreauputic, in tty2 it says tty2
[11:00] <selinium> Hi thoreaputic, Seveas  :)
[11:00] <ompaul> pweyers_, emm base applications are there from the start, what actual program do you want to add?
[11:00] <thoreauputic> Seveas: not here
[11:00] <Seveas> pweyers_, you'd better wait for breezy to stabilize
[11:01] <Seveas> thoreauputic, it has to, otherwise you did not switch VT
[11:01] <pweyers_> ompaul, i am using ubuntu 5.04 and the openOffice implementation provided does not have base
[11:01] <apokryphos> Hm, and my switching doesn't seem to work neither :|
[11:01] <Seveas> tty2 does not have all the boot-stuff in it
[11:01] <pweyers_> breezy is the next version of ubuntu?
[11:01] <Seveas> yes
[11:01] <Seveas> due out in october
[11:02] <selinium> Oct 13th
[11:02] <thoreauputic> Seveas: *cough* I did ctrl-alt-F2, and ran cat /etc/issue - output still has \n \l
[11:02] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell pweyers_ about ubotu
[11:02] <Seveas> thoreauputic, rofl
[11:02] <Seveas> that's not what I mean
[11:02] <pweyers_> but there is a way to use an updated openOffice on hoary hedgedog? :) ?
[11:02] <apokryphos> whoop
[11:02] <MikeW> Hrm, how many partitions do I need to install ubuntu?
[11:02] <apokryphos> ubotu: tel pweyers_ about breezy
[11:02] <ubotu> apokryphos: I don't know
[11:02] <thoreauputic> Seveas: so what did you mean ?
[11:02] <Seveas> the text before you login
[11:02] <bougalou> hello :)
[11:02] <apokryphos> gah
[11:02] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell pweyers_ about breezy
[11:02] <pweyers_> thx apokryphos ;)
[11:03] <Seveas> it's the same as the /etc/issue file, but \l replaced with your tty and \n with your hostname
[11:03] <thoreauputic> Seveas: ah I see - so the text before login comes from /etc/issue - gotcha :)
[11:03] <Seveas> :)_
[11:03] <MikeW> What partitions do I need aside from SWAP?
[11:03] <ompaul> pweyers_, do you want to run OO2 ?
[11:03] <MikeW> The first one I create should be what? Mount point / or mount point /home or what?
[11:03] <thoreauputic> Seveas: sorry for the misunderstanding but your comment didn't mention that :)
[11:04] <pweyers_> ompaul, not neccessarily, shouldnt base be included in the stable 1.x version as well?
[11:04] <bougalou> someone interestedon industrial dev like connection to automate
[11:04] <ompaul> pweyers_,  I do not know what base is in office :) so I do not know what it is you are looking for - is base database?
[11:05] <bolsh> Hi
[11:05] <bolsh> Especially hello to all the people also on #gnome on gimpnet :)
[11:05] <pweyers_> ompaul, yes.. im sorry.   base is supposedly the "access" equivalent
[11:05] <ompaul> ahh
[11:05] <james> I'm trying to map my "menu key" to the context event that is triggered by "shift-F10" - any ideas how to do it
[11:06] <MikeW> Seveas: what should my first partition be?
[11:06] <bolsh> Any PPC users here?
[11:06] <bolsh> I have a bunch of questions
[11:06] <MikeW> Seveas: mount point / or /home?
[11:06] <Seveas>  /
[11:06] <MikeW> Seveas: asides from swap, do I need another one?
[11:06] <Seveas> the things you need are / and swap
[11:07] <Seveas> all others are optional
[11:07] <mark_> I have Ubuntu 5.04 on a second HD ,,,, Installed same on primary HD,, How to move my files to primary?
[11:07] <MikeW> okay
[11:08] <Razor-X> what's the command to reset iptables?
[11:08] <rapha> Hi all!
[11:08] <james> Hi rapha
[11:09] <Seveas> iptables -F
[11:09] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: iptables -F (or --flush)
[11:09] <Razor-X> thanks
[11:09] <rapha> I used visudo to have a "rapha ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL" in it, which in Warty worked fine. But Hoary now still asks for a password when using sudo. What am I doing wrong?
[11:09] <bolsh> First, if I want to dual boot Mac OS X 10.3 and hoary, which should I install first? Who does the partitioning? Any reccommended partitioning schemes?
[11:09] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: iptables --help | less ;)
[11:09] <rapha> Hi james :)
[11:09] <Seveas> rapha, did you add it after %admin?
[11:10] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: that brings up another point
[11:10] <rapha> Seveas: No, after root
[11:10] <Razor-X> I've found less to be less-featured than more
[11:10] <Seveas> hmm
[11:10] <Razor-X> are there any significant advantages and disadvantages over the two?
[11:10] <bolsh> Next, if I want to have a big shared space partition that gets used by both Hoary and 10.3, what filesystem is best? I don't trust HFS+ support on Linux...
[11:10] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: no, less is more, and most is more than less ( more or less)  ;)
[11:10] <kaffeend> I have just downloaded Americas Army and have a .sh file on the desktop, but I can't figure out how to run it... Can anyone help me please?
[11:10] <Seveas> rapha, try removing yourself from the admin group
[11:11] <majic> what does the term 'LoCo' mean?
[11:11] <Seveas> Local Coordination
[11:11] <majic> ah
[11:11] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: meh
[11:11] <psychonate> Razor-X, the man page for 'more' even recommends that users use 'less' heh
[11:11] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: less has it all over more - / to search, page up etc etc
[11:11] <bolsh> kaffeend: open up a terminal
[11:11] <Ju1ce> kaffeend: /home/you/Desktop/the-sh-file.sh
[11:11] <psychonate> "This version is especially primitve.  Users should realize that less(1) provides more(1) emulation and extensive enhancements."
[11:11] <kaffeend> thanks
[11:12] <bolsh> kaffeend: run the command chmod a+x Desktop/command.sh (to allow people to execute it)
[11:12] <Seveas> psychonate, thanks for the 'most'
[11:12] <bolsh> kaffeend: Then do what Ju1ce  said :)
[11:12] <Seveas> looks nice
[11:12] <Razor-X> I don't really use the two often, if i'm using my emacs shell buffer, I don't need them, but for ansi-term or a screen session
[11:12] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: BTW the "most" command also exists :)
[11:12] <Seveas> most is to less what multitail is to tail :)
[11:12] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: I will check it out
[11:13] <Razor-X> I always found less a little less intuitive than more ;)
[11:13] <rapha> Seveas: I take it putting NOPASSWD: ALL to %admin will have the same effect?
[11:13] <kaffeend> okay bolsh and Julce thanks
[11:13] <Seveas> rapha, sure
[11:13] <rapha> Seveas: Worked! Thanks a heap man!
[11:13] <F0ckF3ar22> hey
[11:13] <thoreauputic> Razor-X:  "Less is more" - Mies Van de Rohe  (famous architect- spelling may be wrong)
[11:14] <F0ckF3ar22> how do you get root permissions
[11:14] <F0ckF3ar22> sudo?
[11:14] <F0ckF3ar22> what
[11:14] <Seveas> sudo -i
[11:14] <F0ckF3ar22> thanks
[11:14] <Seveas> that gives you a root shell
[11:14] <Seveas> F0ckF3ar22: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[11:14] <dimitris> Is there a way to keep gaim in the notification area like msn without the main window coming up everytime i open my computer?
[11:15] <Seveas> dimitris, yes
[11:15] <bolsh> So - no macosX people about, then?...
[11:15] <dimitris> I use the iconify plugin but when i restart my box the main window comes up
[11:15] <Seveas> ah wait...
[11:15] <Seveas> yeah, you can't prevent that from happening
[11:15] <Seveas> it's annoying :)
[11:15] <kaffeend> bash: a+x: command not found
[11:16] <thoreauputic> bolsh: why exactly would people in #ubuntu be likely to be mac OS-X people ?  ;-)
[11:16] <dimitris> Seveas, yes it is!!! :-)
[11:16] <Seveas> afaik it's a requested feature and being worked on
[11:16] <bolsh> kaffeend: chmod a+x
[11:16] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: I think you meant chmod a+x
[11:16] <zAo^> restricted modules in Breezy!!!!
[11:16] <bolsh> thoreauputic: OK then, PPC. You happy now? :)
[11:16] <F0ckF3ar22> Razor-X
[11:16] <kaffeend> I didn't mean anything
[11:16] <kaffeend> but ok
[11:16] <F0ckF3ar22> Remember i asked you about the floppy installation for debian
[11:16] <Razor-X> F0ckF3ar22: hmmmm?
[11:16] <thoreauputic> bolsh: Oh yes - i have an iBook G4 :)
[11:16] <Razor-X> F0ckF3ar22: yeah
[11:17] <salil> can anyone tell me how to change the icons in ubuntu..?
[11:17] <bolsh> thoreauputic: Did you keep it in dual boot, or blitz the lot?
[11:17] <salil> for different file types..
[11:17] <Ju1ce> what's wrong with my cups when i try to access it via kcontrol it says that it initalizes it for a long time and then say's connection refused or something like that
[11:17] <Seveas> salil, you can change the theme
[11:17] <PurpleMotion> Razor-X:  i finally got a new video card *uNF*
[11:17] <F0ckF3ar22> well i installed debian using flopppys.. now how do i install ubuntu Razor-X
[11:17] <Seveas> salil, system -> prefs -> theme
[11:17] <Ju1ce> damn i have tried to reinstall it for many times
[11:17] <salil> Seveas: i jsut want to change the icons only
[11:17] <MartenH> salil: download an icon pack from somewhere gnome-llok.org as example
[11:17] <thoreauputic> bolsh: i have dual boot so i can run multimedia stuff with mac-on-linux !
[11:17] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: cool
[11:17] <Razor-X> F0ckF3ar22: kickass ;)
[11:18] <PurpleMotion> hell yeah
[11:18] <kaffeend>  Hmmm... chmod a+x Desktop/command.sh
[11:18] <kaffeend> chmod: cannot access `Desktop/command.sh': No such file or directory
[11:18] <Razor-X> where's the generic sources.list at, again?
[11:18] <F0ckF3ar22> Razor-X +) but now i just need to get ubuntu
[11:18] <PurpleMotion> radeon 9250 8x 128m
[11:18] <bolsh> thoreauputic: What did the partitioning, the Ubuntu install disk, or the Mac install disk?
[11:18] <MartenH> salil: then open system -> preferences - themes, switch to the icons tab and drag-n-drop the file tehre
[11:18] <Razor-X> F0ckF3ar22: you've crossed the hardest hurdle ;)
[11:18] <Seveas> salil, art.gnome.org/faq.php can give you more details than I can :)
[11:18] <Razor-X> !sources
[11:18] <bolsh> thoreauputic: Or the disk utility?
[11:18] <ubotu> sources is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:18] <Razor-X> ugghh
[11:18] <thoreauputic> bolsh: the mac disk
[11:18] <jago25_98> Easiest way to get ntfs r-w support?
[11:18] <Razor-X> !list
[11:18] <ubotu> it has been said that list is at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[11:18] <F0ckF3ar22> Razor-X yeah i did.. it wasnt easy lol
[11:18] <Razor-X> noooo!
[11:18] <salil> Marble2: i just want to change the look of pdf files.. can't i do just that..?
[11:18] <Seveas> jago25_98, installing windows
[11:18] <Razor-X> Seveas: do you remember where the generic sources.list is at?
[11:18] <thoreauputic> bolsh: I used the utility on the mac disk to make partitions
[11:18] <jago25_98> Seveas: ho ho.
[11:19] <Seveas> Razor-X: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[11:19] <salil> MartenH: there's no icons tab. !!
[11:19] <bolsh> thoreauputic: And which OS did you install first, MacOS or Hoary/Warty?
[11:19] <MartenH> salil: just remember to add them through drag-n-drop to the themes interface. I tried a manual way which didn't work but the drag-n-drop worked like a charm right away
[11:19] <Seveas> jago25_98, honest, it's the easiest...
[11:19] <Seveas> ntfs writing on linux is a no-go
[11:19] <grinob2> anybody knows something about samba ?
[11:19] <thoreauputic> bolsh: hmm... OS-X then warty I think
[11:19] <MartenH> salil, sorry, press theme datils foirst
[11:19] <bolsh> OK
[11:19] <Razor-X> F0ckF3ar22: copy the following lines into /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:19] <thoreauputic> bolsh: been a while
[11:19] <Razor-X> F0ckF3ar22: in the URL paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[11:19] <MartenH> s/foirst/first
[11:19] <salil> MartenH: okay
[11:19] <Ju1ce> this is the cups crash message: "an error occured while retrieving the list of available backends. Please check that cups is properly installed and started."
[11:19] <ortox> is there a partition manager for ubuntu?
[11:19] <F0ckF3ar22> Razor x so i go to the command line
[11:19] <Razor-X> F0ckF3ar22: remember to edit it as _root_
[11:19] <F0ckF3ar22> and type that
[11:19] <abydos> hrm
[11:19] <bolsh> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/PowerPC <- that's my reference, but there are some holes
[11:20] <Razor-X> F0ckF3ar22: ``sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list''
[11:20] <thoreauputic> bolsh: I made free space to install warty on
[11:20] <abydos> I want to install e17DR packages, with apt
[11:20] <bolsh> thoreauputic: Any tips on a filesystem to choose for a large shared disk I plan on having?
[11:20] <Razor-X> abydos: I can help you there
[11:20] <abydos> I have added the repository with the packages to sources.list
[11:20] <wasamonkey> im looking for a good downloadable guide for users new to linux, all i have found so far are online and i have no service at home
[11:20] <bolsh> thoreauputic: I thought it was impossible to resize HFS+ partitions?
[11:20] <ortox> is there a partition manager for ubuntu?
[11:20] <abydos> Razor-X:  it seems to want to install e16 packages from the 'official' ubuntu repos
[11:20] <toowoomba> I can't get my sandisk mp3 to show up in ubuntu.  Any ideas?
[11:20] <bolsh> ortox: Yup
[11:20] <thoreauputic> bolsh: I didn't do that - I can mount OS-X from ubuntu if I wish
[11:20] <toowoomba> ortox: gparted
[11:21] <ortox> cool
[11:21] <ortox> ill check it
[11:21] <Ju1ce> what about fdisk?
[11:21] <bolsh> thoreauputic: Are you happy using HFS+ as a "main" filesystem?
[11:21] <toowoomba> qtparted
[11:21] <Razor-X> abydos: did you add this: deb http://ubuntu.nooms.de/ hoary/ ?
[11:21] <bolsh> toowoomba: Careful... ;)
[11:21] <ortox> ???
[11:21] <thoreauputic> bolsh: I don't use it much, really - I use ubuntu most of the time
[11:21] <abydos> Razor-X:  no, I used deb http://soulmachine.net/debian unstable/
[11:21] <Razor-X> F0ckF3ar22: yeah, and type that
[11:21] <Razor-X> abydos: that went down
[11:21] <toowoomba> bolsh: I don't understand?
[11:21] <kaffeend>  No dice yet. Got  /home/me/Desktop/armyops230-linux.run
[11:21] <kaffeend> bash: /home/me/Desktop/armyops230-linux.run: Permission denied
[11:22] <bolsh> toowoomba: the qt thing. Never mind
[11:22] <toowoomba> ok
[11:22] <bolsh> thoreauputic: Ah
[11:22] <Razor-X> abydos: there's a nice howto on the forums, go to the last page
[11:22] <thoreauputic> bolsh: you can get a program that allows OS-X to read ext3 anyway
[11:22] <selinium> I am copying a DVD using     dd if=/dev/cdrom1 of=Blue_Planet_Disc_1.iso bs=1024    It has been running for hours and has only copied 530Mb. What have I done wrong?
[11:22] <abydos> Razor-X:  well, that's great.  good thing someone finally told me :x
[11:22] <Razor-X> I have to leave now, so brb
[11:22] <bolsh> I think we're going to be in dual boot for quite a while
[11:22] <wasamonkey> is it fairly easy to mount ntfs partitions in ubuntu?
[11:22] <bolsh> My wife like iPhoto and iTunes
[11:22] <toowoomba> monkey: read only, yes
[11:22] <abydos> Razor-X:  mind linking me?
[11:22] <bolsh> And I must admit that MacOS X is miles nicer to use than what went before it
[11:22] <Seveas> wasamonkey, very
[11:23] <Seveas> wasamonkey: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[11:23] <PurpleMotion> :-S
[11:23] <wasamonkey> toowoomba how would i go about that? found no documentation on the cd
[11:23] <Strife> has anyone ever used socksify with irssi?
[11:23] <Ju1ce> http://ubuntuguide.org/#automountntfs
[11:23] <PurpleMotion> you have to be kidding me
[11:23] <wasamonkey> thanks
[11:23] <Seveas> Ju1ce, please don't recommend ubuntuguide
[11:23] <Seveas> !ubuntuguide
[11:23] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[11:23] <PurpleMotion> what did it do?
[11:23] <PurpleMotion> cause it worked perfectly for me
[11:24] <thoreauputic> bolsh: after the initial excitement with OS-X I lost interest in digging so deep to find anything unixish - I prefer the transparency of linux
[11:24] <equex> no PurpleMotion , it actually made the performance worse, but let e double chech that i did everything right
[11:24] <jago25_98> How do I set config to current (no /proc/.config.gz available) is it `make old`?
[11:24] <equex> let me*
[11:24] <PurpleMotion> a LOT of things made the performance worse for me... that was the only thing that made it good
[11:24] <Ju1ce> but the instructions of ubuntuguide work :D
[11:24] <thoreauputic> bolsh: the file system tree in OS-X is baroque
[11:24] <bolsh> OK, here goes nothing...
[11:24] <PurpleMotion> equex: glxinfo | grep direct
[11:24] <bolsh> Bye.
[11:25] <sorush21> anyone recommend good free webhosting...
[11:25] <AndieB> Hi all!
[11:25] <equex> PurpleMotion: now it says indirect. atleast, it used to say Direct rendeding, but was obviously not that
[11:25] <Ju1ce> there really isn't any good free hostings ;)
[11:26] <equex> also says using MESA OpenGl Indirect
[11:26] <AndieB> I have problem connecting from my Windows XP (SP2) to my Ubuntu Linux SMB share, it doesn't accept my username and password... should it be written i special way?
[11:26] <PurpleMotion> oh.. my problem was prior to doing all of that, it always said indirect for me.. now it says direct
[11:26] <jago25_98> sorush21: a friend @ uni computer club
[11:26] <confrey> hi everybody
[11:26] <thoreauputic> Ju1ce: Seveas is conducting a holy war against ubuntuguide ;)
[11:26] <Seveas> AndieB, samba uses its own passwords
[11:26] <MartenH> andie, you need to use.. uhm... smbctrl I think the command was...
[11:26] <Seveas> AndieB, use smbpasswd to set it
[11:26] <jago25_98> How do I set kernel config to current (no /proc/.config.gz available) is it `make old`?
[11:26] <MartenH> AndieB, listen to Seveas :)
[11:27] <equex> PurpleMotion: thanks anyway, i will do the procedure again, but for now, i need a break from GL :)
[11:27] <Seveas> jago25_98, /boot/config*
[11:27] <equex> this is so hard it isnt even funny
[11:27] <PurpleMotion> equex:  i feel ya... good luck,t hat solution straightened things right out for me
[11:27] <Gnome> hello does somebody know's when the e17 (new enlighenment) come's?
[11:27] <jago25_98> Seveas: thanks, that's one way I suppose
[11:27] <Seveas> Gnome, check the enlightenment website :)
[11:28] <AndieB> Seveas: Oki , from the ROOT TERMINAL then?
[11:28] <Seveas> jago25_98, the only one I know of
[11:28] <Gnome> done that but there say soon but not when:p
[11:28] <Ju1ce> what cups packages are necessary for a standalone printing purpose?
[11:28] <Seveas> AndieB, smbpasswd -a USERNAME
[11:28] <AndieB> Seveas: Thank you, I'll try right away!
[11:28] <kaffeend> I'm trying to get this /Desktop/armyops230-linux.run file to execute but I'm having a difficult time of it. Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong please? I've got the terminal open and using the command:  chmod a+x desktop/command.sh but it keeps returning the error: chmod: cannot access `Desktop/command.sh': No such file or directory
[11:28] <Kev0r> Seveas: did you get my PM?
[11:28] <Gnome> i'm getting horny from the video's from the e17 damm looks verry nice what that:p
[11:29] <jasoncohen> there's something seriously wrong with my system. every few days the FS seriously corrupts itself and it stops booting up correctly. i have to run a fsck manually because a shutdown -Fr now fails
[11:29] <ortox> be quiet
[11:29] <PurpleMotion> fgl_glxgears (FS@1280x960x24bpp): 441 frames in 5.0 seconds = 88.200 FPS
[11:29] <jasoncohen> it tries to fix the partition and then fails
[11:29] <PurpleMotion> that's not shabby
[11:29] <^thehatsrule^> lol kaffeend... you do that command to the armyops file
[11:29] <lee> lee@rincewind:~$ sudo umount /media/scsidisk/
[11:29] <lee> Password:
[11:29] <lee> Segmentation fault
[11:29] <Seveas> Kev0r, no
[11:29] <lee> that's ... not good =)
[11:29] <Kev0r> check
[11:29] <Kev0r> dno if it's helpfull but here goes anywayz
[11:29] <kaffeend> what can I say? I'm a n00b
[11:29] <jasoncohen> now gdm is giving me a strange error saying there's no server and XDCMP Is disabled. it then loads gdm
[11:29] <jago25_98> kaffeend: sh army<tab><enter>
[11:29] <Boffa> is anyone really good at DVD writer problems ? Check my Thread at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=286311
[11:29] <confrey> how can I force apt to use debs from local archives before using debs from internet archives?
[11:29] <Seveas> lee, wow :)
[11:30] <thoreauputic> !tell Seveas about holy war
[11:30] <Seveas> how did you do that?
[11:30] <thoreauputic> *g*
[11:30] <PurpleMotion> equex:  what kind of framerates are you wanting or trying to attain?
[11:30] <thoreauputic> !forget holy war
[11:30] <ubotu> thoreauputic: i didn't have anything called 'holy war'
[11:30] <thoreauputic> hahah
[11:30] <davidmccabe> hey folks. what is a command-line program that can search through the package database?
[11:30] <Kev0r> Seveas: bout automatic mounting of USb-sticks & cdroms, just install gnome-volume-manager and make it start for that user as a daemon every session 6)
[11:30] <abydos> !forget crusades
[11:30] <ubotu> abydos: i didn't have anything called 'crusades'
[11:30] <PurpleMotion> cause the card only does so much, and if your mobo is 4xAGP or 8xAGP is going to have a DRAMATIC affect on performance
[11:30] <abydos> !forget holocaust
[11:30] <ubotu> i didn't have anything called 'holocaust', abydos
[11:30] <PurpleMotion> abydos:  sg1 fan?
[11:30] <selinium> How do I find out how much RAM i've got installed?
[11:31] <Seveas> Kev0r, g-v-m is installed automatically....
[11:31] <abydos> PurpleMotion:  damn straight
[11:31] <PurpleMotion> right on
[11:31] <Kev0r> not when ur doing a minimal installation :P
[11:31] <abydos> PurpleMotion:  BSG too
[11:31] <jasoncohen> SMART says the HD isn't failing. it pasts all of the tests it supports. what's the problem?
[11:31] <PurpleMotion> bsg?
[11:31] <Seveas> Kev0r, that
[11:31] <lee> Seveas: any suggestions wtf caused that?
[11:31] <abydos> PurpleMotion:  Battlestar Galactica (the new series)
[11:31] <Seveas> Kev0r, that's what ubuntu-desktop is for...
[11:31] <Boffa> selimum: cat /proc/meminfo
[11:31] <Seveas> lee, no clue at all
[11:31] <Seveas> is it reproducable?
[11:31] <selinium> Boffa: Cheers!
[11:31] <Kev0r> ubuntu-desktop? :o
[11:32] <PurpleMotion> abydos:  i miss babylon 5
[11:32] <lee> Seveas: nope
[11:32] <PurpleMotion> that was the best sci fi series EVER made
[11:32] <abydos> PurpleMotion:  never saw much of that, I should find a torernt
[11:32] <Seveas> lee, then you will probably never know
[11:32] <Seveas> lee, unles dmesg has something
[11:32] <PurpleMotion> abydos:  the people were so REAL... grimy as all hell (as you know space-trade will be), twisted, politically-motivated, vibrantly human
[11:32] <lee> poot
[11:32] <lee> kernel BUG at mm/filemap.c:459!
[11:33] <Ju1ce> kaffeend: can't be that hard ;)
[11:33] <lee> that would probably be it =)
[11:33] <Seveas> :)
[11:33] <PurpleMotion> kinda like the new (and to a degree old) BSG
[11:33] <abydos> PurpleMotion:  Kinda like the new Battlestar series, then, except ran much longer and isn't still in production
[11:33] <equex> PurpleMotion: i was having rates at about 70 on a fresh install. i managed to tweak it to 700 with xorg.conf. other than that, i would like my GL screen savers to not look like theyre running on a c64.
[11:33] <kaffeend> Julce it certainly SHOULDN'T be
[11:33] <PurpleMotion> equex:  lol.. right on
[11:34] <morphiushacker> How can I start a program on boot up (before x loads) I know I can use init scripts but a) they are a little confusing and B) I'm unsure if they'll support passing parameters/switches. Is there a more batch file style way of doing this and/or can I pass parameters when I start a program from an init script?
[11:34] <equex> PurpleMotion: this machine rund HL2 so the house shakes
[11:34] <abydos> I would like my movies not to cause *irc* to lag
[11:34] <PurpleMotion> equex:  well, like i said, dont expect too much from this card, especially if you're @ 4xAGP
[11:34] <Ju1ce> kaffeend: why don't you just copy(drag) it to /home/you so it will be easier :D
[11:34] <equex> i think its 8x
[11:34] <abydos> I need to disable ACPI, it's lagging my machine
[11:34] <F0ckF3ar22> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:34] <abydos> but rebooting sucks.
[11:34] <kaffeend> okay I'll try that
[11:34] <PurpleMotion> abydos:  5 seasons and three movies
[11:34] <equex> anyway, if windows can run HL2 at decent framerates,  linux should be able to run a screen saver
[11:34] <equex> on the same card
[11:35] <abydos> PurpleMotion:  Nice, I bet there's a torrent of it
[11:35] <Stormx> Hey
[11:35] <Stormx> back
[11:35] <jasoncohen> what else could be causing filesystem corruption if not the HD failing? this is happening every few days
[11:35] <kaffeend> this may sound dumb, but where is Home?
[11:35] <PurpleMotion> equex:  i hear ya... i'm living proof it's possible.... good luck and sorry i couldnt help more... im confidant the answer lies with the official ati binary installer, tho
[11:35] <abydos> kaffeend:  /home/$username
[11:36] <PurpleMotion> abydos:  i'm sure.. i know you can buy all 5 seasons and all three movies on dvd
[11:36] <abydos> kaffeend:  usually, anyway
[11:36] <equex> PurpleMotion: seems ati is in bed with red hat mostly
[11:36] <kaffeend> where the first / is root?
[11:36] <PurpleMotion> there's a collection i'd happily pay for
[11:36] <abydos> PurpleMotion:  Hence, there are definitely torrents:)
[11:36] <PurpleMotion> equex:  yeah, but the installer has an option to build a package for your system..
[11:36] <kaffeend> I'm used to start/program files/file.exe
[11:36] <pfp> jasoncohen: bad ram, bad m/b, kernel bugs...
[11:36] <PurpleMotion> but screw that, the installer *works* heh
[11:37] <PurpleMotion> okay, folks.. im gonna go play with my kids
[11:37] <jasoncohen> when gdm starts up it says "no servers are defined in gdm.conf and XDCMP is disabled. this can only be a configuration error"...but i didn't alter the configuration
[11:37] <sorush21> well are you a friend @ uni computer club
[11:37] <equex> ttyl PurpleMotion
[11:38] <PurpleMotion> jasoncohen:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[11:38] <equex> ill let ya know if anything changes :)
[11:38] <Ju1ce> luckily many people before me had had printing problems :)
[11:38] <Ju1ce> long live public forums \o/
[11:38] <equex> if we can get a general solution, it would be worth a wiki entry :|
[11:39] <PurpleMotion> because printer iso's were written by the devil.
[11:39] <PurpleMotion> yeah it would
[11:39] <PurpleMotion> jasoncohen:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[11:39] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, i know- didn't work
[11:39] <PurpleMotion> bummer
[11:39] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, it gives the same error
[11:40] <Ju1ce> in mandrake my printer worked right out of the box, but that distro sucked otherwise :S
[11:40] <PurpleMotion> *shrug* dunno
[11:40] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, things just start breaking after a few days go by. there's filesystem corruption and i don't know what's happening
[11:40] <linlin> has anyone used teamspek on ubuntu? i cant get my microphone to work
[11:40] <PurpleMotion> jasoncohen:  ghost int he machine
[11:40] <jasoncohen> each SMART test passes. i ran memtest for 8 hours last weekend
[11:40] <PurpleMotion> ive been running for weeks with no problems
[11:40] <PurpleMotion> oh you've got a fscked hdd
[11:40] <PurpleMotion> that sucks
[11:41] <PurpleMotion> err
[11:41] <PurpleMotion> what about cache
[11:41] <jasoncohen> but why isn't SMART showing anything wrong?
[11:41] <jasoncohen> what about it?
[11:41] <PurpleMotion> have you tested your l1 and l2 system cache?
[11:41] <jasoncohen> no- how do i do that?
[11:41] <PurpleMotion> btfoom
[11:41] <PurpleMotion> i used to have a cd that did all that
[11:42] <kaffeend> so what am I meant to be doing again? is it chmod a+x first?
[11:42] <equex> <izik I am amused that #coders give out tips on how to approach women. What's next? #Microsoft will suggest install Linux to solve a .DLL coillsion? <- :D
[11:42] <sorush21> can I host internet sites form my computer..
[11:42] <sorush21> with my normal internet connection.
[11:42] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, where can i get that CD?
[11:42] <Ju1ce> sorush21: broadband?
[11:42] <sorush21> yes..
[11:42] <Seveas> sorush21, sure you can
[11:43] <Seveas> but not all providers allow it
[11:43] <PurpleMotion> more like Microsoft announces 3 year plan to migrate the Windows OS line to Open Source via the GPL
[11:43] <sorush21> where do I check.. Seveas.. point the way..
[11:43] <Ju1ce> in finland the have to allow it >:)
[11:43] <PurpleMotion> jasoncohen:  btfoom
[11:43] <PurpleMotion> that was like 8 years ago :D
[11:43] <Seveas> sorush21, check your contract :)
[11:43] <sorush21> okay..
[11:44] <kaffeend> can anyone else give me a hand with executing this file please?
[11:44] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, btfoom isn't showing anything relevant on google
[11:44] <pfp> Ju1ce: no we don't :/ (elisa adsl)
[11:44] <PurpleMotion> as long as it's a personal server and isn't generating more than 40% of your total outbound bandwidth, roadrunner will allow you
[11:44] <PurpleMotion> jasoncohen:  btfoom == beats the fsck out of me
[11:44] <AndieB> It worked!! Thanx a lot guys!
[11:44] <kaffeend> I have the file at: /home/armyops230-linux.run
[11:45] <stimpie> Iam trying to install E17 and added http://ubuntu.nooms.de hoary/  to my sources. Now when I do an 'apt-get update' it says: 'Ign http://ubuntu.nooms.de hoary/ Release.gpg' whats going on?
[11:45] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, also, this isn't affecting windows.
[11:45] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, ah, heh
[11:45] <PurpleMotion> then you dont have to test any hardware you *know* its software based
[11:45] <kaffeend> would just scroll up but I just tried that and it's already gone
[11:45] <PurpleMotion> jasoncohen:  and on that note, i have NO clue
[11:45] <PurpleMotion> heh
[11:45] <PurpleMotion> i gtg, guys
[11:45] <jasoncohen> thanks PurpleMotion
[11:45] <PurpleMotion> netime
[11:46] <Ju1ce> pfp: check this out http://ohjelmointiputka.net/keskustelu/aihe.php?tunnus=6161
[11:46] <Ju1ce> elisa can't prevent you doing it, Finland's law says so
[11:46] <abydos> hrm
[11:46] <abydos> gdm doesn't see that e17 is installed, or it won't let me choose it as a session type
[11:47] <Ju1ce> pretty confusing
[11:47] <Stormx> Yo
[11:47] <lampuri> hi everyone
[11:47] <Stormx> Hey lampuri
[11:47] <lampuri> hey Stormx
[11:47] <Stormx> Hey plopp
[11:47] <Stormx> ;-)
[11:47] <salil> can anyone tell me how to write a script to automatically run a bash command after some time interval.. ??
[11:47] <ortox> i neeed HELP! ok. i have ubuntu installed as my primary os and it has the entire partition which is the size of my hard disc drive. Is there any way to split up this partition so i can install another os?
[11:47] <Seveas> salil, run it via cron
[11:48] <Seveas> ortox, boot from a live cd and use gparted to resize it
[11:48] <salil> Seveas: corn..??
[11:48] <ortox> ok. will that wirk?
[11:48] <abydos> is there a way to make gdm see e17 as a session type?
[11:48] <Seveas> salil, cron
[11:48] <ortox> do i have to unmount it first?
[11:48] <ortox> ???
[11:48] <stimpie> abydos, is there a desktop file in /usr/share/xsessions?
[11:48] <Seveas> ortox, yes
[11:49] <ortox> ok. so i unmount and resize?
[11:49] <Seveas> and you can't unmount / so you need to boot from a live cd
[11:49] <abydos> stimpie:  no, there is not
[11:49] <ortox> is it eazy?
[11:49] <stimpie> create pme
[11:49] <kaffeend> can anyone tell me how to execute a file at /Home/armyops230-linux.run please?
[11:49] <salil> Seveas: cron: can't lock /var/run/crond.pid, otherpid may be 7494: Resource temporarily unavailable........i get this message
[11:49] <ortox> seveas
[11:49] <salil> Seveas: what does that mean..?
[11:49] <ortox> ok
[11:49] <abydos> stimpie:  how descriptive of you.  any howtos on that?
[11:49] <lampuri> is using sudo less secure than having a separate root account?
[11:49] <ortox> ill try
[11:49] <Seveas> kaffeend, chmod +x /home/armyops.... and run /home/armyops......
[11:49] <kaffeend> thanks seveas
[11:50] <Stormx> lampuri: you can't get root on ubuntu I don't think >_>
[11:50] <Seveas> salil, type in a terminal man crontab
[11:50] <Seveas> that will explain how cron works
[11:50] <lampuri> you can make a root account Stormx
[11:50] <kaffeend> how do I join the two commands? or do I not?
[11:50] <Seveas> put && in between
[11:50] <Ju1ce> kaffeend: you can use &&
[11:50] <Veon> Anyone know if there is a program that can read .nrg, .ISO files and such?
[11:50] <kaffeend> ok thanks dude
[11:51] <stimpie> any knows what to do when repositories are "ignored"
[11:51] <Seveas> .iso can be mounted bin/cue can be converted to iso with bchunk and then mounted nrg is hopeless unless bchunk can handle them
[11:51] <Seveas> stimpie, ignore it :)
[11:52] <MikeW> Well I reinstalled ubuntu. I didn't get the grub "error 18" this time around, Instead, I now get "Error 17"
[11:52] <stimpie> Seveas, I need  to get a few packages from one
[11:52] <Seveas> MikeW, 17 installs to go and you'll be at error 0 ;)
[11:52] <Seveas> MikeW, hang on
[11:52] <kaffeend> Dammit! Just get:  chmod +x /home/armyops230-linux.run&&run /home/armyops230-linux.run
[11:52] <kaffeend> chmod: cannot access `/home/armyops230-linux.run': No such file or directory
[11:52] <Seveas> stimpie, repositories ar not ignored, it just sems that way
[11:52] <Goodspeed> how do i copy a file?
[11:52] <salil> Seveas: what are crontab files..??
[11:52] <Goodspeed> cp
[11:53] <Goodspeed> something?
[11:53] <Seveas> kaffeend, try /home/your_username/armyops....
[11:53] <Ju1ce> kaffeend: /home/account_name/army..
[11:53] <Seveas> Goodspeed, cp indeed
[11:53] <Goodspeed> cp filename location where its going?
[11:53] <kaffeend> of coarse!!!! What a n00b!
[11:53] <Goodspeed> so like cp msvcr70.dll /.wine/drive_c/windows/System/
[11:53] <mebaran151> what patchset has been applied to the current Breezy kernel
[11:53] <mebaran151> where might I find that out
[11:54] <Joose^> hi hi
[11:54] <Seveas> MikeW, what partition types have you used on that disk?
[11:54] <Seveas> mebaran151, you can apt-get tehe ubuntu kernel patches
[11:54] <MikeW> Seveas: 1. boot, mount point: /, type resierfs. 2. swap
[11:54] <Joose^> wiich line a should be modificated to grub start with winxp and no ubuntu.. if no key press
[11:55] <Joose^> like default
[11:55] <Seveas> yeah the line starting with default :)
[11:55] <Seveas> MikeW, hmm, no idea then...
[11:55] <Joose^> but i default print me 0
[11:55] <kaffeend> chmod +x /home/me/armyops230-linux.run&&run /home/me/armyops230-linux.run
[11:55] <kaffeend> bash: run: command not found
[11:55] <salil> Seveas: i just need the "poff" command to work after say.. 2 hrs.. how do i do that..??
[11:55] <mebaran151> Seveas, I just need to know the patches
[11:55] <mebaran151> I dont wnat to get them
[11:56] <mebaran151> I want to read them
[11:56] <zAo^> how do I start a DVDmovie from disk?
[11:56] <rapha> Hey, is there a CLI-tool for taking a screenshot? I've heard of "import", but I don't know what package it is in
[11:56] <Seveas> mebaran151, well, unless someone else in here knows, getting them is knowing them....
[11:56] <Seveas> rapha, gnome-screenshot
[11:56] <abydos> stimpie:  does the .desktop have to be +x?
[11:56] <blmartin777> I want to install blippo font what package would that be
[11:56] <Joose^> Seveas in default i see 0
[11:57] <mebaran151> Seveas, do they use like the ac or the cko patch sets
[11:57] <rapha> Seveas: Will that work from the command line, without opening an X window?
[11:57] <Seveas> Joose^, change it to 3
[11:57] <Seveas> rapha, it opens an X window
[11:57] <Goodspeed> how do you install steam in wine
[11:57] <kaffeend> and still no wiser in the ways of the lini
[11:57] <Goodspeed> with the activex problem?
[11:57] <Seveas> mebaran151, I don't know, that's why I directed you to them :)
[11:57] <rapha> Seveas: I need one which doesn't
[11:57] <stimpie> abydos, not as fas as I know
[11:57] <Seveas> rapha, look at the imagemagick package
[11:57] <Seveas> it has a command for that afaik
[11:58] <rapha> Seveas: thanks
[11:58] <Joose^> Seveas well, in the grub print me 4 option , 3 ubuntu and another Other system; Windows... it's okay 3 or should be 4?
[11:58] <lui> hello people
[11:58] <mebaran151> Seveas, not on ubuntu at the moment
[11:58] <ortox> how do i run gparted through the live disc?
[11:58] <mebaran151> just wnat to make sure the default kernel is patched to support my heardware
[11:58] <Seveas> mebaran151, packages.ubuntu.com
[11:58] <mebaran151> before I kill it
[11:58] <mebaran151> ah
[11:58] <lampuri> hi lui
[11:58] <mebaran151> cool
[11:58] <mebaran151> neato
[11:58] <Seveas> you can view them on windows too :)
[11:59] <salil> Seveas: when i use crontab .. then it says bad minute.. can't install.. what does that mean.?
[11:59] <ortox> seveas: how do i run gparted on live disc. im on it now
[11:59] <Seveas> salil, it means that you specified your command wrong
[11:59] <abydos> stimpie:  I got it running, but all I had was a big whitish-grey screen
[11:59] <kaffeend> should I have started the command with a+x or just +x
[11:59] <Joose^> Seveas well, in the grub print me 4 option , 3 ubuntu and another Other system; Windows... it's okay 3 or should be 4? sorry for the drag
[11:59] <Seveas> ortox, i don't know, never used it - sorry
[11:59] <ortox> seveas: ok
[11:59] <Seveas> Joose^, 3
[11:59] <Seveas> it starts to count with 0 :)
[11:59] <lampuri> later everyone, got to go
[11:59] <lampuri> bye
[11:59] <Joose^> ;) oka thanx
[12:00] <salil> Seveas: this is what i wrote... crontab -u username /usr/bin/poff