[12:11] <salil> anyone can help me on crontab..??
[12:12] <ray_> whats crontab?
[12:13] <salil> thats the command line scheduler.. 
[12:13] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Something to do with programs and timing, I think
[12:13] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Right, that
[12:13] <salil> Rogue_Jedi_X: yes.. 
[12:13] <salil> Rogue_Jedi_X: can you help me with that..??
[12:13] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I'm a n00b, I know, I know
[12:14] <foobrain> what media player should I be using? Noatun?
[12:14] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Wish I could, but I have no experience with crontab, sorry
[12:14] <ray_> amarok is nice
[12:14] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I like Kaffeine
[12:14] <salil> what's a n00b.. i see that very often.. !!
[12:14] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Selectable streams pwnz0r
[12:15] <Rogue_Jedi_X> n00b is l33tspeak for newbie, a very unexperienced person
[12:15] <ray_> hey im such a noob that i didn't even know what noob meant....lol
[12:15] <ray_> its like NEWB
[12:16] <salil> what is l33tspeak..??
[12:16] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hey, I once thought STFU meant "Stuff you"
[12:17] <Rogue_Jedi_X> salil: gimme a sec, I'll give you a link
[12:17] <Rogue_Jedi_X> http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A787917
[12:17] <Rogue_Jedi_X> There. I doubt I could explain it any better
[12:18] <salil> Rogue_Jedi_X: thank
[12:18] <Rogue_Jedi_X> No prob
[12:20] <ray_> anybody know when americas army 2.4 is coming out for linux?
[12:21] <Rogue_Jedi_X> You should probably ask the developers for that game
[12:22] <foobrain> hm, I dont know if anyone already answered my question about movie player... What movie/media player should I use?
[12:22] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I'm sure they have an email address or a forum or something
[12:22] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Video or Audio?
[12:22] <ray_> no i couldnt find one
[12:22] <foobrain> video
[12:22] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Kaffeine
[12:23] <ray_> foobrain: XINE or MPLAYER
[12:23] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Kaffeine uses the xine engine
[12:23] <ray_> foobrain: but you must get w32codecs
[12:24] <Rogue_Jedi_X> That goes for mplayer too
[12:24] <ray_> foobrain: or else your veiwing will be limited
[12:24] <Rogue_Jedi_X> You have to get them either way
[12:24] <ray_> Rogue_Jedi_X: yes 
[12:24] <Rogue_Jedi_X> The mplayer homepage has a whole bundle of them, I think
[12:25] <ray_> Rogue_Jedi_X: u can get all of them from the backport repos
[12:26] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Whoops, I don't have backport repos listed. This must be remedied immediately! brb
[12:27] <ray_> ubotu tell foobrain about repositories
[12:27] <ray_> !find w32codecs
[12:27] <Rogue_Jedi_X> There. All done
[12:28] <ray_> Rogue_Jedi_X: i would comment out the backport repos unless you need them
[12:28] <zkruw> anyone know how to burn an avi movie so im able to watch it on my standalone dvd-player? It dosent work like in wondows
[12:28] <zkruw> windows*
[12:28] <Rogue_Jedi_X> How come?
[12:29] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'w32codecs' returned no results.
[12:30] <ray_> Rogue_Jedi_X: becuase if you update you might get really unstable packages....my whole system damn near blew up because i had backports and multiverse and did a apt-get dist-upgrade..after that nothing worked
[12:30] <ray_> zkruw: does your dvd player support avi?
[12:30] <foobrain> ray_: thanks
[12:30] <Mez> ray_, when was that? I've never known backports to break in a MAJOr way
[12:30] <Rogue_Jedi_X> That sounds scary. Commenting out...
[12:31] <ray_> Mez: i didnt think they would either....but they did...it could be just me
[12:31] <zkruw> ray_: it works fine when i burn the avis on my brothers windows computer
[12:31] <Mez> ray_, when and what do you mean by "erverything broke2
[12:31] <zkruw> i think it something with ntfs or fat
[12:31] <ray_> zkruw: so just burn the avi to disk
[12:31] <zkruw> dosent work :s
[12:32] <zkruw> the screen just sais error :)
[12:32] <ray_> zkruw: no ......it does not have ANYTHING to do with ntfs
[12:32] <Rogue_Jedi_X> What do you burn it with? K3B?
[12:32] <zkruw> yes
[12:32] <zkruw> k3b
[12:32] <ray_> what app did you use in windows
[12:32] <zkruw> nero
[12:32] <ray_> did you select any options or just burn it?
[12:32] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Maybe he needs the Joliet extensions?
[12:32] <ray_> Joliet?
[12:33] <zkruw> just pushed burn :)
[12:33] <zkruw> anyone know the joliet settings?
[12:33] <ray_> what is joliet?
[12:33] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Yeah, otherwise (in my experience anyway) the Windows computer showed the filenames shortened and with CAPS
[12:33] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Sometimes with no extensions
[12:33] <zkruw> just "generete joliet extensions"
[12:34] <zkruw> what do you think about that?
[12:34] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Should work. Might want to tick off "Allow 103 character Joliet filenames" in Advanced too
[12:36] <zkruw> okie thanks, will try now
[12:37] <redguy_> hi there, anyone could tell me where would I find superkaramba 0.37 ?
[12:37] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Gah! mldonkey dumped all of its config files in my home folder
[12:37] <ray_> vcd imager doesnt work for me?
[12:37] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Isn't it in kynaptic/synaptic
[12:38] <ray_> anyone else have problems with vcdimager
[12:38] <redguy_> there is 0.35 in the official repos
[12:38] <crimsun> redguy_: there's only 0.37-rc1 out officially according to the Web page
[12:39] <tbrenner> i'm can't set my screen rez to 1064x768....there is no option to do it, is there any way to get a different driver or something so that i can do this?
[12:39] <apokryphos> You can fix it, yes.
[12:39] <apokryphos> !resolution
[12:39] <ubotu> I guess resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:39] <ray_> vcdxbuild
[12:39] <ray_> -----------------------
[12:39] <ray_> <log level="error">charset conversion failed</log>
[12:39] <redguy_> crimsun: hrm, actually I don't need 0.37. I want to have liquid weather, but the oldest version which I could find is 4.1.1 which needs 0.36 to work
[12:40] <zkruw> still gets this annoying "unknown disc"
[12:41] <Rogue_Jedi_X> How about burning at the lowest possible speed?
[12:41] <zkruw> wich writing mode?
[12:42] <zkruw> dau tao or raw?
[12:42] <zkruw> dao
[12:43] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Auto works fine for me
[12:43] <zkruw> whats udf structures?
[12:43] <zkruw> something i may need?
[12:43] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I think that's for Mac systems
[12:46] <redguy_> hmm even apt-get.org shows only 0.35
[12:46] <ray_> what happened to k3bsetup  kubuntu doesnt have it?
[12:47] <foobrain> how do I uninstall apps I've installed?
[12:47] <nmorse> sudo apt-get remove app, foobrain 
[12:49] <foobrain> it didn't find the app
[12:49] <foobrain> I installed mono from go-mono.com
[12:49] <foobrain> I want it to go away
[12:49] <foobrain> perhaps I just have to delete the mono folder?
[12:51] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Did you compile it yourself?
[12:51] <foobrain> what are the files named where the path enviroment variables are located?
[12:51] <nmorse> .bashrc
[12:51] <nmorse> In your home directory.
[12:51] <foobrain> thanks
[12:56] <foobrain> does kubuntu support connecting to a win32 samba network share?
[12:56] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Sure
[12:57] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Looking at my sister's puter right now, actually
[12:57] <foobrain> Rogue_Jedi_X: how do I connect?
[12:58] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Click on the second icon on the kicker and select Remote Places
[12:58] <ray_> nice i just figured out how to get vcdimager to work in k3b!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:58] <foobrain> nice
[12:59] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Cool
[12:59] <ray_> if you guys ever want to use vcdimager let me know i will tell you waht you have to do
[01:01] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Noted
[01:04] <ray_> hey foo
[01:04] <ray_> u still here
[01:06] <stizoner> is there a way to painlessly auto mount ntfs drives like other distros? many distros just click on drive and thats it, u can read it
[01:06] <ray_> are you guys using konversation? or something else
[01:06] <foobrain> bah, I need a player that doesn't hog all system resources when I try to play a video file from the samba share
[01:06] <ray_> stizoner: i like your name
[01:07] <foobrain> X-Chat
[01:07] <stizoner> lol
[01:07] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Konversation here
[01:07] <foobrain> family guy... lol
[01:07] <ray_> stizoner: it wont let you in konqeror
[01:08] <stizoner> what i gotta do? 
[01:08] <ray_> stizoner: are you using kde?
[01:08] <equex> i'd like a player taht could play files like streams.. like media player classic on windows does
[01:08] <stizoner> yep
[01:08] <equex> instead of the player copying it over
[01:08] <equex> (over samba shares)
[01:08] <stizoner> shhh one person bitchin at a time
[01:09] <stizoner> lol
[01:09] <equex> hihi
[01:09] <ray_> stizoner: you cant veiw your ntfs drive in konqeror?
[01:09] <bobbyd> equex, the mplayer plugin will play streams
[01:09] <stizoner> nope
[01:09] <bobbyd> equex, mplayer will also play streams
[01:09] <stizoner> i cant get my porn on my ntfs drives!!
[01:09] <stizoner> woops i mean music*
[01:09] <equex> bobbyd: but will it play movies from a samba share without copying it over first ?
[01:10] <ray_> there has to be a way......need the porn
[01:10] <equex> i know it can do mms and things if you want.
[01:10] <equex> but i dont think it does that.
[01:10] <bobbyd> equex, if you set the cache size to zero...
[01:10] <equex> neither does totem
[01:10] <equex> oh
[01:10] <ray_> totem sucks
[01:11] <TestMAD> hehe..thats funny
 i cant get my porn on my ntfs drives!!
[01:11] <equex> or noatun
[01:11] <ray_> so guys i know you know how to mount an ntfs drive
[01:11] <TestMAD> least he admits to it
[01:11] <equex> lool i need the kazaa shares
[01:11] <TestMAD> is there a better alternative to airsnort?
[01:11] <ray_> TestMAD: do you know how to access an ntfs drive?
[01:11] <stizoner> i got 450gb down/up on empornium a porn bittorrent site
[01:12] <foobrain> how do I install mplayer?
[01:12] <TestMAD> i just followed directions in the delarios faq
[01:12] <ray_> stizoner: 450gb!!!!!!!!!!!!! holy crap
[01:12] <TestMAD> and mount on boot
[01:12] <ray_> u see that stizoner
[01:12] <redguy_> ha! found superkaramba .36 on kde-look.org!
[01:12] <equex> mkdir /mnt/windows
[01:12] <stizoner> well i got 3 drives and 8 partitions, i found some instructions at one point then i just got ticked off and lazy because it was beyond me
[01:13] <equex> mount /dev/thedrive /mnt/windows -t ntfs -r -o umask=0222
[01:13] <equex> should do it
[01:13] <TestMAD> but gotta have the windows dir made
[01:13] <equex> <equex mkdir /mnt/windows
[01:13] <stizoner> hmm, grrr, commands
[01:13] <pax> redguy_: why dont you sudo apt-get install superkaramba
[01:14] <stizoner> ok ill try that i guess
[01:14] <equex> stizoner: with a minimum of research you can make that mmount happen automatically
[01:14] <equex> :)
[01:15] <stizoner> yeah but i just wana download something and press a few buttons
[01:15] <equex> everything that takes under one hour to research with google is considered trivial
[01:15] <equex> :p
[01:17] <stizoner> ok let me rephrase the question, what do other distros use to auto mount drives without any commands? 
[01:17] <ray_> stizoner: because they are set up to do so......u have to set it up yourself in this distro
[01:18] <redguy_> pax: since i want liquid weather, and it won't work under 0.35 which is in the repositories
[01:19] <pax> redguy_: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/superkaramba/superkaramba_0.36-1_i386.deb
[01:21] <stizoner> Permission denied
[01:22] <stizoner> ive gotten that on other things, its cause im not logged on as root right? asks for a password for root though, i never set one, and root dont work
[01:22] <redguy_> pax: it has many debian-specific dependencies
[01:23] <nikkia> stizoner: the problem is, auto-mounting drives is not something a lazy person should do, it causes  problems for things like cd/dvd burning, you need to remember to disable it prior to burning a disc
[01:23] <redguy_> pax: and the one from kde-look.org wanted a DECnet library which made me a bit suspicious
[01:24] <redguy_> pax: I'll just have to live without liquid weather I think :/
[01:24] <pax> what's this liquid weather?
[01:24] <nikkia> pax, a superkaramba theme, that sucks terrible amounts of CPU time to show you the current weather conditions on the desktop *shrug*
[01:24] <nikkia> its pretty, but ultimately, pointless
[01:24] <redguy_> it's pretty, that's the point :P
[01:25] <pax> oh, kinda like Kxdocker, another resource hog!
[01:26] <stizoner> its not really lazy to want things easy to use, it can be hip for linux to be user freindly, be nice someday to never have 2 type a command
[01:26] <nikkia> pax, stuff like LW make me nervous about KDE4 and 'plasma' :)
[01:26] <stizoner> anyways.. bah, i cant switch the drives over to fat32 cause they got files larger then 4gb on them
[01:26] <nikkia> stizoner: perhaps, but auto-mounting drives has nasty side effects
[01:26] <pax> aww plasma, cant wait nikkia :-)
[01:26] <nikkia> pax, i'm sure plasma itself will be alright
[01:26] <foobrain> is there a mplayer debian package to download?
[01:27] <crimsun> they're in multiverse, foobrain.
[01:27] <nikkia> pad, its just 2 weeks later, when every idiot on the planet has knocked together yet another piece of very slowly executing python eye candy
[01:27] <pax> this is pax's current desktop http://ninux.net/files/foo (yeah I know, baghira isnt that good)
[01:27] <nikkia> pax, even
[01:28] <ray_> stizoner: if you dont want to use command line linux is NOT for you
[01:28] <nikkia> pax, hmmm, your launcher isn't quite taking up the whole screen, you should fix that :P
[01:29] <foobrain> crimsun: and what does that mean?
[01:29] <stizoner> they should force all linux programs to be chained to a woman for a week while she required to use a distro and do a bunch of tasks, would make a funny reality show, and i bet suddenly the linux program would take a different view of things he does from then on
[01:29] <nikkia> stizoner: as a woman, i find that remark a touch offensive, tbh
[01:29] <stizoner> oooo geeky woman
[01:29] <stizoner> hawt
[01:29] <stizoner> :P
[01:29] <redguy_> what's that thing you got at the bottom, pax?
[01:29] <ray_> pax where is your screenshot?
[01:30] <ray_> if you dont mind me lookign
[01:30] <crimsun> !tell foobrain about components
[01:30] <pax> redguy_: kxdocker another useless resources hog
[01:30] <pax> ray_: up there ^ scroll back
[01:30] <ray_> ok thanks
[01:30] <redguy_> ah!
[01:30] <pax> it'll suck as much of your ram as it can
[01:31] <ray_> pax.....your desktop is cool
[01:31] <nikkia> pax, especially if you have icons THAT big :P
[01:31] <pax> ray_: aw thanks, not that coll tho, baghira isnt that pretty
[01:32] <ray_> pax: baghira? 
[01:32] <pax> nikkia: I think it just looks that big in the shot, dunno
[01:32] <pax> ray_: a kde theme
[01:32] <nikkia> pax, i dunno, they seem to be taking up about 1/3 of the screen height
[01:32] <pax> kde style rather
[01:32] <pax> nikkia: noo :p not that bad
[01:33] <pax> the only good thing about this settup is the icons :D
[01:33] <ray_> pax: it looks like mac style
[01:33] <pax> ray_: only with better OS ;-)
[01:33] <nikkia> ray, that's the whole point of baghira :P
[01:34] <stizoner> mine looks like a childs toy
[01:34] <nikkia> pax, and without the opengl accelerated scaling of icons :P
[01:35] <nikkia> pax, OS X's kernel may be a little worse than linux (for some things, other things we need to learn by)....
[01:35] <nikkia> but OS X's windowing system is pretty well designed
[01:35] <pax> yes very smooth nikkia agreed
[01:36] <Blissex> redguy_: urge to waste some resources... Are you a GNOME developer perchance? :-)
[01:36] <nikkia> Blissex: i'd have said 'E' user, personally :)
[01:36] <redguy_> why the heck all the pretty thing are not in the repos?
[01:37] <pax> the repos should have what works not what's pretty is b0rked
[01:37] <pax> s/is/and/
[01:38] <redguy_> Blissex: no, not a dev at all. actually the only thing that kept me to gnome for a while was that people said that KDE is a resource hog :-)
[01:38] <ray_> does GNOME take up more  resources than kde?
[01:39] <Blissex> redguy_: KDE is a resource hog, not as bad as GNOME though...
[01:39] <stizoner> i open konversation and couple firefox windows and im using 600mb
[01:39] <ray_> if you have a comp that can handle it.......2 gigs of ram here so not a big deal
[01:39] <pax> ray_: I believe Gnome is faster on older machines
[01:39] <ray_> stizoner: most of that is cache
[01:40] <Blissex> some comments on resource hoggity here: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/swhwAnno05.html#050512
[01:40] <ray_> pax: yeah on my girlfriends p2 i just run icewm
[01:41] <nikkia> ray, there's not much in it, really
[01:41] <Blissex> and some (incomplete) discussion on reducing KDE overheads quite a lot here: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxKDE.html#performance
[01:41] <nikkia> stizoner: the key there is 'firefox'
[01:41] <nikkia> firefox is a terrible resource hog, important to remember its a GTK app too :P
[01:41] <Blissex> stizoner: the key with web browsers is that nearly all, including Konqueror, effectively ''leak'' like crazy.
[01:42] <Blissex> stizoner: so the essential thing is to close them down and restart them regularly.
[01:42] <nikkia> Blissex: i've come to the conclusion that ff does something even more heinous
[01:42] <ray_> so what browser should i use.......konqeror?
[01:42] <nikkia> Blissex: i honestly believe from my tests that it simply renders the whole page to an offscreen bitmap and displays a viewport on that bitmap
[01:42] <Blissex> ray_: they all leak like crazy, with the possible exception of Opera. But I don't use Opera long enough to notice.
[01:43] <nikkia> Blissex: so, for example, going to /. on firefox is about the worst thing you can possibly do :)
[01:43] <stizoner> ok heres my ugly screenshot   http://userpages.cyber-slut.net/see.png
[01:43] <nikkia> Blissex: opera 8.0 and 8.0.1 leaked terribly for me :(
[01:43] <Blissex> nikkia: yes, but that's basically what all browsers do. Problem is, even if you close down all the tabs and go back to 'about:blank' the memory does not get release.
[01:43] <nikkia> Blissex: enough to make them unusable, i haven't tried 8.0.2 yet
[01:44] <Blissex> nikkia: I have only used 6.x and a bit of 7.x for Opera...
[01:44] <nikkia> Blissex: i had situations where opera was tying up around 1GB after an hour of browsing
[01:44] <Blissex> nikkia: that's amazingly bloated...
[01:44] <nikkia> Blissex: not bloated, leaked :/
[01:45] <stizoner> trust me its not porn, its my desktop
[01:45] <s0ciopath> cyberslut?
[01:45] <stizoner> yeah thats my site, dont mind that
[01:45] <Blissex> ray_: if you use KDE, use Konqueror, using all-KDE apps saves a fair bit (as lonf as 'kdeinit' is used).
[01:45] <stizoner> lol
[01:45] <s0ciopath> heh
[01:46] <ray_> how do you take a screenshot?
[01:46] <Blissex> ksnapshot I guess...
[01:47] <Blissex> under 'Graphics' usually
[01:47] <ray_> ok how would i get an app to start as root when kde starts?
[01:48] <Blissex> ray_: thats in most cases not really a good idea... Which app? Why do you want to start it when KDE starts?
[01:49] <ray_> Blissex: ok heres the deal.....to run enemy-territory i have to do a echo "et.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss ....everytime
[01:49] <Blissex> ray_: but what you can do is to create a new '.desktop' file, with the property that says to run it as another user on, and to put it in the ''autostart'' folder under '~/.kde/' or whatever you want.
[01:49] <Blissex> ray_: that indeed has nothing to do with KDE.
[01:49] <ray_> Blissex: i know
[01:49] <Blissex> ray_: that should be a something set when the _system_ starts.
[01:49] <ray_> Blissex: yeah that would be nice.....
[01:50] <nikkia> Blissex: no, it doesn't work like that :/
[01:50] <nikkia> Blissex: the alsa OSS controls aren't persistant
[01:51] <Blissex> ray_: so the best technique would be to create a little script say '/etc/init.d/alsaossinit' and then
[01:51] <Blissex> ray_: either load the relevant modules at bootup, or associate the script with the loading of the relevant module.
[01:52] <Blissex> ray_: either load the relevant modules at bootup in that script, to be put in one of the runcommand dirs, or associate the script with the loading of the relevant module.
[01:52] <ray_> ok.....no clue
[01:53] <nikkia> ray, no, the answer is to write a wrapper script for et that does the echo before starting it
[01:53] <ray_> nikkia: ok.....and how would i do that?
[01:53] <nikkia> ray_: read some tutorials on basic shell scripting on the net
[01:54] <ray_> nikkia: will do.....
[01:56] <foobrain> How can I install libsmbclient?
[01:56] <foobrain> is there any way to tell apt-get to use packages.debian.org as a source?
[01:57] <ray_> yeah
[01:57] <ray_> just add it to /etc/apt/sources.list   the packages may not work though
[01:57] <foobrain> what should I add?
[01:57] <Blissex> foobrain: you can add new URLs to the list of mirrors as ray_  says.
[01:58] <ray_> what are you trying to get foobrain 
[01:58] <Blissex> foobrain: the Debian web site has a pretty nice, easy to follow APT HOWTO
[01:58] <foobrain> I'll try adding that url to the sources.list
[01:58] <Blissex> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/
[01:58] <foobrain> and I'll check the howto
[01:58] <foobrain> thanks
[01:58] <ray_> !find libsmbclient
[01:58] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'libsmbclient' (2 shown): libsmbclient ;; libsmbclient-dev.
[01:58] <ray_> there ya go foobrain 
[01:59] <Blissex> foobrain: note however that Debian packages are not _always_ compatible with Ubuntu packages and viceversa, so it is a bit risky
[01:59] <foobrain> hm, too bad they'r not compatable
[02:00] <Blissex> foobrain: however, Debian 'sarge' packages are _mostly_ compatible with Unbuntu 'hoary'.
[02:00] <foobrain> ok
[02:00] <ray_> foobrain: what package do you want from the deb repos
[02:00] <foobrain> that samba package
[02:00] <ray_> i just told you how to get it like three times
[02:00] <foobrain> I already got it
[02:02] <ray_> foobrain: so whats the problem?.....where did you get it?
[02:03] <jack> bonsoir : -)
[02:03] <ray_> tally ho govna
[02:04] <jack> c pas gagn lol
[02:04] <ray_> huh
[02:05] <foobrain> ray_: I typed libsmbclient-dev instead of libsmbclient
[02:06] <ray_> foobrain: where?
[02:06] <foobrain> donno if I got the latter
[02:06] <foobrain> in the consol
[02:06] <foobrain> apt-get install libsmbclient failed, but apt-get install libsmbclient-dev worked
[02:07] <ray_> foobrain: what was the error messege for libsmbclient
[02:07] <foobrain> let me check
[02:08] <foobrain> that it was already installed.... I'm such a douchebag
[02:08] <foobrain> tho the ./configure app I was running said I didn't have it
[02:09] <foobrain> It say I need "GTK devel package"... what package would that be?
[02:09] <stizoner> repository doesnt include a single ed2k client
[02:10] <redguy> stizoner: what about amule?
[02:10] <redguy> !find amule
[02:10] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'amule' (2 shown): amule ;; amule-utils.
[02:11] <ray_> what is amule? 
[02:11] <redguy> a ed2k client
[02:11] <redguy> s/a/an/
[02:11] <ray_> which is?
[02:11] <stizoner> no amule on there
[02:11] <stizoner> first thing i looked for
[02:12] <stizoner> they should consider putting azureus on there 2
[02:12] <ray_> is amule like limewire?
[02:12] <stizoner> just a thought
[02:12] <redguy> ed2k? a peer to peer protocol
[02:12] <stizoner> edonkey 2000
[02:12] <redguy> erm, network
[02:12] <redguy> stizoner: amule is in universe
[02:13] <redguy> !find azureus
[02:13] <ubotu> Ubuntu Search of 'azureus' (1 shown): (/usr/share/ubuntu-docs/C/common/menus/azureus.xml) in text/ubuntu-docs.
[02:13] <stizoner> hmm i dont see it in kynaptic
[02:13] <ray_> so is amule like limewire or not
[02:13] <stizoner> limewire is gnutella 
[02:13] <stizoner> i beleive
[02:14] <ray_> so what is the difference?.....does amule have more files?
[02:14] <ray_> enable universe stizoner 
[02:15] <stizoner> dont see an option 4 that
[02:15] <ray_> ubotu tell stizoner about repositories
[02:17] <stizoner> im on kde
[02:17] <ray_> yeah so
[02:17] <redguy> is there any help on using ubotu?
[02:18] <ray_> ok stizoner open konsole and do a .... sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:18] <stizoner> theres no synaptic, just kynaptic, no options 2 add/edit repositories
[02:18] <ray_> stizoner: gonna have to get used to using the terminal
[02:19] <redguy> stizoner: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[02:19] <equex> i want "sudo nano" on my gravestone
[02:20] <ray_> equex: YES!
[02:20] <equex> been typing that a lot
[02:20] <ray_> yeah me too
[02:20] <equex> sound like some form of martial art
[02:21] <equex> lmao
[02:21] <sudo_nano> just kidding
[02:21] <sudo_nano> lol
[02:21] <ray_> what
[02:21] <ray_> oops
[02:21] <stizoner> ok how 2 i save it? i edited out the #
[02:21] <ray_> ctrl x
[02:21] <gksudo> ok ill stop the nick flood
[02:22] <supernix> Hiya gang
[02:22] <ray_> hey there
[02:22] <stizoner> cool thanx
[02:22] <supernix> I have some auth.log messages and I was wondering if you could help me
[02:23] <ray_> help....this room isnt for help
[02:23] <ray_> lol
[02:23] <supernix> lol sometimes I would agree
[02:23] <supernix> :D
[02:23] <stizoner> its for cybersex?
[02:24] <stizoner> woops wrong room /quit 
[02:24] <stizoner> :P
[02:25] <redguy> supernix: not sure if I will be of any help, but could you paste them to #flood?
[02:32] <equex> ray_: you know some other editor like nano, only with 'windows' like key bindings, like gedit or kedit ? (i want ctrl-c to be copy, ctrl-v to be paste, etc)
[02:33] <foobrain> I like SciTE
[02:33] <equex> im not ready for the whole Vim experience
[02:33] <ray_> equex: hmmm...... you cant do that in nano?  yeah Vim is too much for me
[02:33] <equex> i was thinking not GUI this one
[02:33] <equex> like nano, editor for the commandline
[02:34] <equex> ok maybe i can conf nano
[02:34] <ray_> i can cut and paste in nano
[02:34] <equex> with shift insert and all that crap i guess
[02:35] <redguy> equex: noo, ^K is for 'cut', ^U for 'paste'
[02:36] <redguy> equex: it affect whole lines though
[02:38] <equex> nano is so simple it should even be possible to tweak the source
[02:38] <equex> cant find an explicit nano config file here
[02:39] <ray_> equex: i just use the mouse to cut and paste
[02:40] <equex> .. and yeah scite is good
[02:40] <equex> i used the windows port long before i went linux
[02:41] <equex> nice little thing to carry around on the usb neclace
[02:42] <equex> scite is in my 128 mb field survival kit
[02:42] <equex> :D
[02:42] <ray_> what is scite?
[02:42] <equex> a small editor
[02:43] <equex> its like 50 k big but has syntax highligthing for about 40 languages and other features
[02:43] <ray_> ahh
[02:44] <ray_> thats nice
[02:47] <redguy> equex: try man:/nanorc in konqueror for nano config file format
[02:51] <idefine> hi, i just got downloaded kubuntu, i was wondering if it was possible to install only what is needed on a partition on a hard drive in the laptop (as my bios doesn't support boot by usb)...load the usb drivers and install root and tmp and everything else on a usb partition....basically...only what is ncessary to boot linux up and start the usb drivers....and then install the rest of the operatiing system on usb
[02:54] <ray_> umm ......... why not put the whole thing on the hd?
[02:54] <s0ciopath> well you can put a 30mb /boot partition on the hd, and the / partition on the usb key if it gets seen in the setup
[02:54] <s0ciopath> there has got to be a owto for this somewhere on the web
[02:55] <idefine> s0ciopath: i want to boot to a usb hardrive
[02:55] <idefine> i mean install on a usb hard drive
[02:55] <idefine> ah
[02:55] <idefine> thank you
[02:56] <ray_> your bios doesnt see the usb?
[02:56] <idefine> nope
[02:56] <s0ciopath> sorryu.. substitute thumb for hd then : )
[02:56] <ray_> couldn't you just use a boot floppy?
[02:56] <idefine> why should i use a floppy for boot
[02:57] <ray_> isnt there a way to update your bios?
[02:58] <s0ciopath> http://www.simonf.com/usb/
[02:58] <s0ciopath> nothing kubuntu specific, but there is a deb example
[02:58] <idefine> ray_: my bios doesn't support usb boot, checked, i have all updates for the bios as well
[02:58] <idefine> s0ciopath: thanks again
[02:58] <Dhraakellian> hmm... my flash drive doesn't seem to mount until I use media:/
[02:59] <idefine> s0ciopath: it says i need to enable usb for boot in the bios
[02:59] <Dhraakellian> well, I have other things to do right now, so I'm not gonna fiddle with it atm
[02:59] <s0ciopath> yeah I see that now
[03:00] <ray_> idefine: should have thought about this before you purchased an external drive
[03:00] <s0ciopath> I'm sure the install program will see your USB drive, and you can put whatever you like on it
[03:00] <idefine> hmm
[03:00] <s0ciopath> should be sda1
[03:00] <ray_> yeah s0ciopath probly
[03:00] <idefine> will give it a shot
[03:01] <idefine> thanks s0ciopath and ray_
[03:01] <s0ciopath> I know the mandrake installed did.. thats the last time I played wiht mine
[03:02] <s0ciopath> now i gotta go find  an old box to try this on
[03:02] <ray_> idefine: even if you just put grub on your internal 
[03:02] <idefine> will try out...thanks
[03:16] <TestMAD> anyone know of a good substitute for airsnort?
[03:16] <n17r0> wep crack
[03:16] <TestMAD> k..is it gui?
[03:17] <n17r0> nop
[03:17] <TestMAD> k..
[03:17] <TestMAD> tried with kubuntu yet?
[03:17] <TestMAD> or should i just stick to STD for that?
[03:18] <idefine>  does xchat have the ability to do favorite channels?
[03:22] <s0ciopath> fovorite how?
[03:22] <s0ciopath> like join certain channels when you connect?
[03:22] <s0ciopath> or a list of favorites?
[03:40] <goldfish> when u run ethereal for example, and it asks you for your root password, what is that applet called that it runs prompting for the p/w ?
[03:44] <luminerd> Why won't Ubuntu work with my mouse?  Cat won't work, od won't work, the mouse works in other machines, I tried putting Ubuntu on the exact duplicate machine (I have 20 of them)....NOTHING WORKS!!  The problem is in Ubuntu...has anyone had this or know hwo to fix it?
[03:48] <pax> nikkia: you there?
[04:00] <dEdd> Does anybody know how I can 'multiplex' sound on a default Kubuntu hoary box?  MythTv (from mdz's packages) won't get audio if realplayer is up after I listened to some radiostream. Annoying.
[04:00] <dEdd> Once I stop realplayer, and wait a short moment, mythtv gets the audio.  How can I have'em share?
[04:07] <_droid_> what is you sound card
[04:08] <_droid_> if you have a real sound card like a SB live multiplexing is done automatically in the SC hardware
[04:09] <_droid_> if not you have to jump though hoop after hoop to do it with alsa in software
[04:10] <_droid_> my advice go spend the 30 bucks and get a real sound card
[04:10] <dEdd> _droid_: Good point. Something rather cheap I added to this Dell "server". Can't even remember what it was called.  
[04:10] <dEdd> Not a SB Live.  
[04:11] <_droid_> Real hardware SCs make life a lot easier\
[04:12] <dEdd> _droid_: Lesson learned, I suppose. I have opl3 and mpu401 modules running, if that helps.
[04:12] <_droid_> if you want i can give you some links to try it in software with alsa
[04:12] <dEdd> _droid_: Would any of the kde sound config options change anything? OSS vs Alsa vs ... ?
[04:12] <_droid_> alsa has a software mixer
[04:13] <_droid_> which can be setup to multiplex
[04:13] <dEdd> _droid_: I googled a little and found references to dmix, alsa/arts, ...
[04:13] <_droid_> but it is a pain in the ass
[04:13] <_droid_> yes dmix is it
[04:13] <_droid_> lots of config
[04:13] <dEdd> _droid_: Hm. With reboots and all that? 
[04:13] <_droid_> no this is not windows
[04:13] <dEdd> :)
[04:14] <_droid_> unload and reload modules
[04:14] <dEdd> Any autoconfig options?
[04:14] <_droid_> like I said, my sb live for 30 dollars was money well spent
[04:14] <Jeezis> is there a simple how to out there that will show me exactly what i need to install eclipse and actually get it to work?
[04:14] <_droid_> works like a charm automatically
[04:15] <dEdd> _droid_: thanks anyway, that did help
[04:16] <_droid_> there was a well known linux developer bitching about geting two sounds to play at once
[04:16] <Jeezis> i've been beating my head off a wall all day trying to get eclipse to work
[04:17] <_droid_> how much work it took to get it setup in software
[04:17] <_droid_> software drivers emulating hardware is good for windows and bad for linux
[04:18] <_droid_> since companies don't like giving out specs
[04:46] <Tribune> hi all. how can i download Koffice using terminal?
[04:50] <Tribune> sudo apt-get install koffice can't help me
[04:57] <apokryphos> Tribune: 1.4.1 is out in a repository. See kubuntu.org
[05:01] <apokryphos> and sudo apt-get install koffice wouldn't be helping you because you likely haven't enabled the Universe repository
[05:02] <_ray> hey how do i get flash in konqeror?
[05:03] <yossnet81> i have a problem.... after xorg broke, my VT's have random blocks of random colors
[05:03] <overlade> hi all :) :) 
[05:03] <apokryphos> _ray: installing flashplayer-mozilla should do it
[05:03] <overlade> what is the channel of french kubuntu community plz ? 
[05:04] <_ray> ok
[05:05] <apokryphos> overlade: there isn't one; #ubuntu-fr exists though
[05:05] <_ray> apokryphos: didn't work
[05:05] <apokryphos> _ray: you'll have to perhaps Configure Konqueror -> Plugins -> Rescan for Plugins
[05:05] <overlade> ah !can they help me with kubuntu ? before i was with ubuntu (i know this channel :/) 
[05:05] <apokryphos> make sure you restart Konqueror completely, too
[05:06] <_ray> apokryphos: yup that worked thanks man
[05:06] <apokryphos> overlade: perhaps; depends on what your question relates to
[05:07] <overlade> apokryphos: okey ;) 
[05:07] <overlade> thanks 
[05:08] <hater2win> hey guys!
[05:08] <hater2win> <-- new to linux
[05:08] <nmorse> That's ok.
[05:09] <hater2win> and I guess it's evidence enough that I
[05:09] <_ray> hater2win: is this your first distro?
[05:09] <hater2win> that I've spent the last 6 hours trying to figure out how to install Gaim
[05:09] <hater2win> well, yes and no
[05:09] <apokryphos> hater2win: why would you want to do that?
[05:09] <_ray> hater2win: sudo apt-get install gaim.....thats all it would have took
[05:10] <hater2win> a few months back, I made an attempt at mandrake (when it was mandrake), and slackware, but i couldn't get the internet to work on it for some reason, so I cleared it and this is my first since then
[05:11] <hater2win> is there a general set way to install everything?
[05:11] <hater2win> i tried to ./configure way
[05:11] <hater2win> but it never worked, kept telling me glib was out of date
[05:12] <_ray> hater2win: yeah kubuntu makes it really easy
[05:12] <_ray> ubotu tell hater2win about repositories
[05:13] <hater2win> ooo thanks
[05:15] <hater2win> thanks for the sudo apt-get install gaim command, worked like a charm.
[05:15] <hater2win> does that work for all installs?
[05:15] <hater2win> sudo apt-get install firefox   for instance?
[05:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> try mozilla-firefox IIRC
[05:16] <_droid_> try synaptic for a gui interface to apt
[05:16] <_droid_> then you can do searches for any software to see if the repo has it 
[05:17] <hater2win> ah i see
[05:19] <_ray> hater2win: and if the default repos dont have the software you want...chances are other repos will
[05:25] <hater2win> nice, thanks for the help, ill read this stuff and ask q's as needed, thanks ray and all
[05:26] <_ray> no prob
[05:45] <thegreengiant> when is the TRUE bi-arch AMD64 version of sarge comin out
[05:52] <thegreengiant> anyone????!
[05:53] <_droid_> go to the debian site or do a google search or go to the debian newsgroup
[05:56] <hater2win> l33tz0r
[05:57] <thegreengiant> i did....
[05:57] <thegreengiant> i cant find an actual informational site like there used to be
[05:58] <_droid_> you went to the debian newsgroup??
[05:58] <_droid_> I am sure you would get an answer there
[05:58] <thegreengiant> link?
[05:58] <_droid_> it mirrors the debian mailing list
[05:59] <_droid_> open you newreader and search for debian
[05:59] <_droid_> thunderbird has a newreader
[05:59] <_droid_> does you isp offer newsgoups?
[06:00] <thegreengiant> time warner
[06:00] <_droid_> you can try google news service
[06:01] <_droid_> http://groups.google.com/
[06:02] <_droid_> http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.user
[06:02] <thegreengiant> thank you so very much
[06:02] <_droid_> newsgroups are very good sources to get answers to question
[06:02] <thegreengiant> more help than the fricken kanotix ppl...
[06:03] <thegreengiant> k... i will keep that in mind...
[06:03] <thegreengiant> thank you again
[06:03] <_droid_> not a problem
[06:03] <_droid_> newgroups are still one of the best sources of information on the net
[06:03] <thegreengiant> better than slashdot eh?
[06:03] <thegreengiant> and digg
[06:03] <_droid_> lol
[06:04] <hater2win> whoa now... nothign is better than digg
[06:04] <thegreengiant> LOL
[06:04] <_droid_> good for entertaining time wasting
[06:04] <thegreengiant> digg is pretty good now.... LOL
[06:04] <hater2win> lol
[06:05] <_droid_> ask you isp if they have a news server
[06:05] <hater2win> digg is awesome
[06:05] <_droid_> then use thunderbird
[06:05] <_droid_> the best way to do newgroups
[06:05] <_droid_> then use google groups for archives
[06:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> can someone here try to connect to austnets IRC server using GAIM/ some other IRC app?
[06:06] <hater2win> ill try
[06:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks
[06:07] <s0ciopath> i'm in to austnet
[06:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> s0ciopath: is there anyone in #atomicmpc?
[06:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> for me the whole of austnets empty :O
[06:07] <hater2win> lol
[06:07] <s0ciopath> yeah shitloads
[06:08] <hater2win> hmm, im showing a ton in there
[06:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm
[06:08] <s0ciopath> 6 ops 651 total
[06:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> xchat: njit.nj.us.austnet.org  - empty
[06:08] <s0ciopath> 61 total
[06:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> sounds more like it ;)
[06:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> :S
[06:08] <hater2win> lol
[06:08] <s0ciopath> fnode.il.us.austnet.org
[06:08] <s0ciopath> is what I'm cobnected to
[06:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> GAIM is connecting to the same server
[06:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. I'll try that one, thanks :|
[06:09] <s0ciopath> np
[06:10] <s0ciopath> insanely funny topic in that channel
[06:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> yay thanks s0ciopath, that server seems to be good :)
[06:10] <hater2win> high fives all around
[06:10] <hater2win> lol kidding...
[06:10] <hater2win> that would be wierd =/
[06:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. if i knew they had such an interesting topic up i would have asked about another chan ;)
[06:11] <hater2win> LOL
[06:11] <s0ciopath> sure, sure you would have
[06:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
[06:14] <thegreengiant> finding a great deal of info with what you have supplied me _droid_
[06:15] <hater2win> though i've always loved collecting stamps kaiser =p
[06:15] <s0ciopath> see?? funny :)
[06:16] <hater2win> LOL
[06:16] <hater2win> that is one crazy gerbil
[06:16] <hater2win> one id rather not meet
[06:17] <thegreengiant> http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/sarge-amd64/
[06:18] <thegreengiant> what about a gerbil?
[06:18] <hater2win> lol
[06:18] <s0ciopath> lol
[06:18] <charlie> can i use the unbuntu add-on cd on kubuntu?
[06:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> charlie: what cds that?
[06:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> most likely
[06:19] <charlie> there is a addon cd that is for ubuntu it has repositories and stuff
[06:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> it should work fine
[06:20] <thegreengiant> there's one powering all the fedora core servers........ that explains frequent outtages........ j/k j/k
[06:21] <charlie> how do i get kmoon and weather widgets?
[06:21] <hater2win> lol, that chan topic is so hilarious, i cant get over it
[06:24] <s0ciopath> yeah it's worth a visit just for that
[06:25] <hater2win> my god, i have work at 6:30 in the morning and chances are im gonna be up all night fucking with linux again
[06:25] <hater2win> sorry if bad language isnt allowed in here (first time in)
[06:25] <s0ciopath> welcome to my world
[06:26] <s0ciopath> and i don't thing cursing is permitted
[06:26] <s0ciopath> think
[06:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> no it's not, but now and then
[06:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> it happens, we all know that
[06:27] <hater2win> aight koo, wont happen again
[06:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[06:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: what's the time where you are?
[06:28] <hater2win> it's only 11:30 PM, so its not THAT late yet, but ya know how it is
[06:28] <hater2win> when you are trying to figure things out, time flies by
[06:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> sure do.
[06:28] <hater2win> it'll be 3 AM in 5 minutes
[06:28] <hater2win> lol
[06:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> @ 12 I'm saying goodnight, then at 3am I'm in bed ;)
[06:29] <hater2win> LOL
[06:29] <hater2win> without a shower
[06:29] <s0ciopath> i sole that problem by taking a laptop to bed with me
[06:29] <hater2win> lol
[06:29] <hater2win> no laptop here
[06:29] <hater2win> just a beast of a rig
[06:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> bastard s0ciopath
[06:30] <hater2win> lol
[06:30] <hater2win> lol
[06:30] <hater2win> mine is fading quickly also
[06:30] <hater2win> though its still really good
[06:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, what you got?
[06:31] <hater2win> 3.2 P4 EE HT
[06:31] <hater2win> gig of DDR ram
[06:31] <hater2win> ati radeon 9600 XT PRO
[06:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> mmm.
[06:31] <hater2win> 2 80 gigs HDs
[06:31] <hater2win> 1 250 gig HD
[06:31] <hater2win> all seagates
[06:31] <hater2win> ASUS P4P800-SE
[06:31] <hater2win> mobo
[06:32] <hater2win> and an IDE controller, lol, cuz I ran out of IDE slots
[06:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[06:32] <Lancellor> how do i do to change a video card giv me and error when is booting
[06:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> so your drives are all ide?
[06:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> Lancellor: can you ube more specific about the error?
[06:33] <hater2win> yeah, which pisses me off because when i bought my 250 gig seagate, a 300 gig SATA seagate went on sale for 129 bucks. I was like nooooooooooooooO!
[06:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[06:33] <hater2win> bought my 250 for 79
[06:33] <hater2win> digg2win
[06:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> bastard
[06:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> your not in Australia ;)
[06:34] <s0ciopath> Lancellor, change the card, then reboot to console and run xorgconfig
[06:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> :o
[06:34] <Lancellor> yea i had and ati video card so atop working i cahnged it for and nvidia  so whe i boot give me and error 
[06:34] <hater2win> lol, thank god im not in australia
[06:34] <hater2win> (kidding)
[06:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
[06:34] <hater2win> LOL
[06:35] <hater2win> put the ATI back in lancel, install drivers for the nvidia before you put it in
[06:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> or switch to vesa for the transition
[06:35] <Lancellor> ati non working
[06:35] <Lancellor> what is vesa
[06:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> generic
[06:36] <Lancellor> ok but how do i doit
[06:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> do you know how to use a text editor?
[06:37] <Lancellor> like vi 
[06:37] <Lancellor> yes
[06:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool. then you can hack the /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change the "driver" line to vesa
[06:39] <hater2win> you and me kaiser... we're gonna be best friends... lol
[06:39] <Lancellor> but i don't get to that point 
[06:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: :D
[06:40] <hater2win> well, you're pretty much screwed i would guess, you're best bet is to go out and buy a cheap ass vid card for like 15 bucks
[06:40] <hater2win> to hold you over
[06:40] <Lancellor> thanks
[06:40] <s0ciopath> Lancellor, boot to the console
[06:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> Lancellor: so what is your exact problem
[06:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> x wont start?
[06:40] <s0ciopath> when your video fails, it should default you to there
[06:41] <Lancellor> i think kubuntu should have like a repair mode or something
[06:41] <hater2win> oh, i thought you meant you new vid card was fried too, lol, my bad
[06:41] <s0ciopath> then you can edit the file and reboot
[06:42] <s0ciopath> or you can run xorgconfig and redo the configuration
[06:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> xorgconfig?
[06:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> dpkg-reconfigure? or is there some extra ap?
[06:42] <Lancellor> i'm going to try 
[06:42] <s0ciopath> yes xorgconfig
[06:43] <s0ciopath> builds you a new xorg.conf file
[06:43] <Lancellor> what card do you recomend for around 50 to 100
[06:43] <hater2win> check newegg
[06:43] <hater2win> they usually have some pretty good deals
[06:44] <Lancellor> like a compatible with linux
[06:44] <hater2win> though they become less and less reliable as they get more and more popular
[06:45] <hater2win> that was odd
[06:45] <Lancellor> thanks i'm going to have reset my computer to try what you told me
[06:45] <hater2win> gl
[06:45] <luminerd> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=350118
[06:46] <s0ciopath> sn?
[06:48] <s0ciopath> can;'t help you luminerd, sorry
[06:50] <s0ciopath> sectal repositories?
[06:50] <hater2win> *shrug* i dont even know what the hell a repository is
[06:50] <s0ciopath> repositories are places where all the packages for a distro are kept
[06:51] <hater2win> hmm, so do i have to place files in the repository to use them?
[06:51] <s0ciopath> they are usually separated into basic, advanced, commerial, dubious legality ets
[06:51] <hater2win> well, packages, that is
[06:51] <s0ciopath> no, you download them from the repository to use them
[06:51] <hater2win> oh i see
[06:52] <s0ciopath> like when you use kynaptic to download a package, it's getting iot from a repository
[06:52] <s0ciopath> only the basic repositories are set up be default
[06:52] <hater2win> so like on the gtk website where it has all the glib, gtk, pango packs, is that one?
[06:52] <s0ciopath> but you can add the universe, multiverse and backports
[06:53] <s0ciopath> it might be considered one, but not really
[06:53] <hater2win> universe being...
[06:53] <s0ciopath> hang a sec
[06:53] <hater2win> k
[06:53] <s0ciopath> I'm looking something up
[06:53] <hater2win> np, at this point in my learning, ill take all the help i can get, lol
[06:54] <insanekane> !repos
[06:54] <ubotu> it has been said that repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:54] <insanekane> hater2win: !repos
[06:54] <insanekane> !repos to hater2win 
[06:54] <ubotu> insanekane: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[06:54] <insanekane> !repos hater2win 
[06:54] <ubotu> insanekane: Are you smoking crack?
[06:54] <insanekane> hehe
[06:54] <s0ciopath> yeah the file is /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:55] <hater2win> ooo
[06:55] <s0ciopath> you just remove the # in frot of the repository that you want
[06:55] <s0ciopath> you cna have them all if yuo want
[06:56] <hater2win> i see
[06:56] <insanekane> hater2win: !repos
[06:56] <s0ciopath> ok good, cause it's almost midnight, and I have to go home
[06:56] <s0ciopath> til tomorrow
[06:56] <hater2win> heh
[06:56] <hater2win> thanks s0c, night
[06:56] <s0ciopath> night
[06:57] <hater2win> thx insane
[06:57] <insanekane> hater2win: ive been trying to tell for sometime now if you notice :P
[06:58] <hater2win> heh, yeah
[07:03] <abinadid> Hi this is Lancellor
[07:03] <hater2win> howd it go
[07:03] <abinadid> i'm in my kubuntu machine
[07:03] <hater2win> nice
[07:04] <abinadid> i edit my xorg.conf with  the vesa
[07:04] <abinadid> no how do i get my nvidia drivers
[07:05] <hater2win> website?
[07:05] <abinadid> i just get 1024 for 768
[07:05] <benjamin1254> i have issues with su password when i try to use mine it says sorry ... and it wont let me in SU mode
[07:06] <hater2win> you have to set an actual pw benjamin, i was having that same problem earlier
[07:06] <benjamin1254> explain.. cuz i have my user password for when i log in
[07:08] <insanekane> first of all, you should use sudo, not su
[07:08] <insanekane> tell benjamin1254 about sudo
[07:08] <benjamin1254> please do
[07:12] <hater2win> alright, im out for the night, good night guys
[07:22] <supernix>  hiya all
[07:23] <supernix> I have something logged in auth log that has me worried can someone help
[07:23] <supernix> ?
[07:25] <pax> what is it?
[07:28] <supernix> hiya pax 
[07:28] <supernix> I have these entries in the logs that worry me 
[07:28] <supernix> Aug  4 07:29:32 localhost sshd[18830] : Invalid user albert from ::ffff:203.167.27.234
[07:28] <supernix> Aug  4 07:29:35 localhost sshd[18832] : Invalid user alex from ::ffff:203.167.27.234
[07:28] <supernix> Aug  4 07:29:40 localhost sshd[18834] : Invalid user alexa from ::ffff:203.167.27.234
[07:28] <supernix> Aug  4 07:29:44 localhost sshd[18836] : Invalid user alexa from ::ffff:203.167.27.234
[07:28] <pax> so port 22 is open?
[07:29] <supernix> Should I worry about that?
[07:29] <supernix> I guess I do I don't know
[07:29] <pax> sudo apt-get install nmap
[07:29] <pax> nmap localhost
[07:31] <pax> supernix: if you don't use sshd, just shut it down. someone is just trying to login your box, tis all.
[07:31] <supernix> ah ok
[07:31] <supernix> Yeah I do see that ssh is open
[07:31] <pax>  /etc/init.d/ssh stop    
[07:31] <supernix> How do you stop ssh from loading at boot ?
[07:32] <pax> gotta edit the script
[07:32] <pax> hold on let me find it in *butu
[07:33] <pax> !find rcconf
[07:33] <pax> supernix: install that it'll make your life easier
[07:34] <ubotu> Ubuntu Search of 'rcconf' (2 shown): (/usr/bin/rcconf, /usr/sbin/update-rcconf-guide) in universe/admin/rcconf ;; (/usr/share/hercules/hercconf.html, /usr/share/doc/hercules/html/hercconf.html) in universe/otherosfs/hercules.
[07:34] <pax> supernix: sudo apt-get install rcconf
[07:35] <pax> then start it as root, it'll ask what services you wanna run at boot
[07:35] <pax> disable anything you dont need. anything you dont know leave alone.
[07:36] <ilba7r> is there a thread or howto for making mirror image of the home directory <like a backup>
[07:37] <supernix> that is kewl
[07:37] <supernix> I just saw postfix
[07:38] <supernix> didnt even know I had a mail server installed
[07:38] <pax> ilba7r: mailing list, there was a discussion about it earlier I think.
[07:38] <pax> brb
[07:38] <ilba7r> thanx pax
[07:38] <benjamin1254> i also have trouble sometimes logging into the net sometimes especially when im using my messengers i do use dhcp but sometimes it just doesent want to get on the internet and i know its not a network issue cuz i checked everything
[07:40] <benjamin1254> especially when i log into my messenger it wont go through eather
[07:46] <pax> supernix is you are running the box as deasktop, install firestarter, it's simple 
[07:46] <pax> !find firestarter
[07:46] <ubotu> firestarter: (gtk program for managing and observing your firewall), section universe/admin, is optional. Version: 1.0.1-1ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 518 kB, Installed size: 2348 kB
[07:47] <supernix> pax does kubuntu install a firewall by default ?
[07:48] <pax> iptables
[07:49] <supernix> ah I have heard just a little about iptables I think
[07:49] <pax> firestarter is a frontend for iptables, it's just like one of those windowz firewalls
[07:49] <supernix> it was that or ipchains
[07:49] <pax> ipchains is a thing of the past
[07:51] <pax> you might wanna take a look at guarddog too, it's for KDE
[07:52] <benjamin1254> is guarddog in the kubuntu pakages as well?
[07:52] <pax> yes it is.
[07:52] <benjamin1254> thanks pax
[07:52] <pax> np
[07:54] <supernix> pax: I have firestarter running now thanks
[07:54] <pax> welcome.
[07:54] <supernix> I just started will it setup itself in such a manner that I won't be locked out of my own machine ?
[07:54] <pax> now you have a sensei guarding your ports
[07:55] <supernix> I heard before that if you didn't know what you were doing that you could actually lock yourself out of your own box
[07:55] <benjamin1254> ueah now im downloading that thing and ... i was wondering pax when i download bittourrent it doesent show up in the files list what do i do to get the file to show up for use
[07:55] <pax> hehe I dont think so it walks you thru some steps the frst time you fire it up
[07:55] <supernix> LOL domo
[07:56] <pax> benjamin1254: come again mate, I didnt get the question
[07:56] <supernix> pax: it is asking me about dial out but I use cable
[07:56] <pax> tell it you use cable then eth0 most likely
[07:56] <supernix> should I check that anyway to me it seems that it is just wanting me to start it if a network is active 
[07:57] <pax> oh, I sew hatcha talking about, nah dont check that option, doesnt make any difference anyway
[07:57] <benjamin1254> when i download some files they wont show up like gaim in the main menue when u go to press k (the linux start menu) and when i go to find the files i downloaded some of hem just dont show up...
[07:57] <pax> see*
[07:57] <supernix> ok ty
[07:57] <benjamin1254> i would like to use them but i dont know how
[07:58] <benjamin1254> ne ideas tax?
[07:58] <benjamin1254> [ax*
[07:58] <pax> benjamin1254: files should go to /home/benjamin or some dir inside it that you have created
[07:58] <benjamin1254> pax* oi its like 2 am here
[07:58] <benjamin1254> ok so they shgould be in there for use and i just click on them for use right
[07:59] <supernix> wow pax that is majorly kewl
[07:59] <supernix> I just started it and see everything
[07:59] <pax> benjamin1254: yeah, I would mkdir download/ and use that directory to store stuff you download from the net
[08:00] <pax> supernix: now it's time to test it, go to some fireswall test site and probe your ports to make sure they are all closed :D
[08:00] <pax> http://scan.sygatetech.com/
[08:01] <supernix> tu
[08:02] <pax> :-)
[08:03] <supernix> ty LOL
[08:03] <supernix> welp that worked like a charm
[08:03] <supernix> not able to detect any services running
[08:03] <benjamin1254> yeah but i download all of them from kubuntu's paket manager
[08:03] <pax> good, no more alex and his sister alexa
[08:04] <supernix> I always worry about firewalls well my only real experience has been windows firewalls
[08:04] <supernix> don't know about the Linux ones
[08:04] <pax> benjamin1254: wait a minute by files you mean packages, programs, right?
[08:04] <_ray> !find konverter
[08:04] <supernix> I do know that I have seen firewalls alot of time slow your connection down
[08:04] <ubotu> Ubuntu Search of 'konverter' (1 shown): (/usr/share/icons/mono/scalable/apps/konverter.svgz) in universe/kde/kde-icons-mono.
[08:04] <benjamin1254> yes the packages from the packet manager provided in the OS yes
[08:05] <pax> benjamin1254: if you install a program and it doesnt show on your KMenu then just right click on the list and it will take you to kmenuedit where you can add it manualy
[08:06] <benjamin1254> thank u pax so much for ur help u have been wonderful
[08:06] <_ray> anybody know of a good app to convert avi to mpeg .....
[08:16] <pax> _ray: avidemux is no good?
[08:16] <richardkillingsw> HELLO
[08:17] <_ray> pax: no.....its not really......i tried installing konverter but it had bugs
[08:18] <_ray> im running mencoder right now....lets see if that works
[08:19] <_ray> pax: im looking for command line.....or kde
[08:20] <pax> good luck :-)
[08:20] <_ray> ill tell you if it works
[08:20] <_ray> richardkillingsw: hello
[08:20] <pax> k _ray 
[08:21] <_ray> !find mencoder
[08:21] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'mencoder' (4 shown): mencoder-586 ;; mencoder-custom ;; mencoder-k6 ;; mencoder-k7.
[08:21] <_ray> !find ffmpeg
[08:21] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'ffmpeg' (2 shown): ffmpeg ;; gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg.
[08:22] <_ray> ubotu are you hungry
[08:22] <ubotu> _ray: I haven't a clue
[08:34] <root> plz help me
[08:34] <root> I have a prism2 card
[08:34] <root> i have installed the wlan-ng driver
[08:35] <root> but everytime i want to go on the internet after a reboor, i must use 3 commands to activate
[08:35] <root> someone knows how i kan set this on auto
[08:35] <root> ???
[08:37] <Kaiser_essen> root. stop ircing as root
[08:37] <Kaiser_essen> bbl
[08:37] <root> ok
[09:09] <buz> i have grave predictions for kde4: http://www.trolltech.com/video/qt4dance_medium.mov
[09:11] <aseigo> you aren't familiar with the tradition of dancing wildly at the openning and closing ceremonies of every major kde event?
[09:14] <buz> no
[09:14] <buz> and i dont wanna know
[09:14] <benjamin1254> thats a bit random
[09:14] <aseigo> well, it's rumoured to be the source all good things k, d and e;)
[09:27] <curtis> How do I quote someone on IRC?
[09:27] <curtis> Like having there name come up in "<>"
[09:32] <paines> hi
[09:32] <curtis> Hi
[09:32] <benjamin1254> no im not
[09:33] <curtis> Well everything now works on my friends kubuntu box.
[09:33] <curtis> (thank god)
[09:34] <benjamin1254> curtis... what do u use ur box for?
[09:34] <curtis> Well the box I'm on right now is my friends.
[09:34] <curtis> I have a Gentoo box that I use for pretty much everything.
[09:35] <curtis> I installed kubuntu for him so he can learn.
[09:35] <benjamin1254> id like to use gentoo but so far i havent got past the startup phase
[09:35] <curtis> That's the problem for most people.
[09:35] <curtis> I've installed gentoo on my iBook at least 13 times before I got it right.
[09:35] <curtis> Now I can install gentoo on anything in my sleep.
[09:36] <curtis> including a xbox. :)
[09:36] <benjamin1254> it will go through the cd and after that i go blank (cant think) and i dont knoww what to do in the command promp 
[09:36] <benjamin1254> i just loose all train of thought
[09:36] <curtis> Have you read the install guide?
[09:37] <curtis> If you just follow the install guide you should be straight.
[09:38] <benjamin1254> yeah even then being a noob i loose it lol.. cuz it just dont help much with me... im not much of a read do it person... im use to  the GUI interface like this os has
[09:38] <benjamin1254> when u go to install
[09:38] <curtis> Oh yeah.
[09:38] <curtis> Installing it is the hardest part.
[09:38] <curtis> Everything else is easy.
[09:39] <curtis> But ubunut or kubuntu is my second fav distro.
[09:39] <curtis> I'm happy with recommending it.
[09:40] <benjamin1254> well i also use knoppix and slax and DSL... ive just been messing around with alot of the linux oses lately and cant seem to find one that i fall in love with
[09:40] <curtis> It takes some time.
[09:40] <benjamin1254> they aee all darn good distros
[09:40] <curtis> True.
[09:41] <curtis> What do you use your computer for?
[09:41] <benjamin1254> well i use it fr gamin when i can afford a windows os... other then that i use it for being the house server since im running off of a gigabit eathernet link
[09:42] <curtis> Nice.
[09:42] <curtis> bsd makes a good OS for a server.
[09:43] <benjamin1254> yeah i plan on updating to 4 gigs so i can use it as a web server and a house server .... im thinkin of trying it and others as soon as i can get my new stack of cds i ordered i spent a hundred dollers on blank cds and expecting close to athousand blanks
[09:43] <benjamin1254> all for distros
[09:43] <benjamin1254> lol
[09:43] <curtis> haha
[09:43] <curtis> Nice one.
[09:44] <curtis> Well benjamin1254 I got to head out and get some sleep.
[09:44] <curtis> Good luck finding a distro.
[09:44] <benjamin1254> hey b4 u go
[09:44] <curtis> yeah
[09:44] <benjamin1254> do u have yahoo im?
[09:44] <curtis> Only AIM.
[09:44] <benjamin1254> name for when i get an account
[09:44] <benjamin1254> ?
[09:45] <benjamin1254> ur username
[09:45] <benjamin1254> ?
[09:45] <curtis> I'll msg it to you.
[09:45] <benjamin1254> k
[09:59] <benjamin1254> man this room is so quiet
[10:35] <luminerd> WTF
[10:35] <luminerd> another one?!
[10:41] <fromoze> mambo!
[10:50] <ilba7r> any one had this problem with aptitude? using the gui for aptitude i got 16 broken packages and when i checked why it said some dependencies are broken while checking for the broken dependencies i found them all installed!!!!wierd
[10:54] <alakhia> How do I suspend my laptop? Tried "apm -s" but that doesn't work with my kernel ...
[11:42] <BTJustice> I have a starnge install problem going on.  I have been using Ubuntu on a different system and 'upgraded' it to Kubuntu.  I want to install Kubuntu on my main PC which also has Windows XP Pro on it...
[11:43] <BTJustice> My drive set up is 2 serial ATA hard drives (C: & D:) and 2 standard IDE drives (E: & F:)...
[11:43] <BTJustice> WIndows XP is on C:
[11:43] <BTJustice> D: is a video backup
[11:43] <BTJustice> E: is my document and mail backup
[11:43] <BTJustice> All the above are Windows
[11:43] <BTJustice> I want to install Kubuntu on F:
[11:44] <BTJustice> So I put the CD in and boot and it never gets past the loading linux kernel part.
[11:44] <BTJustice> Is this related to serial ATA?
[11:44] <paines> BTJustice, could be
[11:44] <BTJustice> How can I get around it so I can install Kubuntu?
[11:44] <paines> depends on the controller
[11:44] <paines> mine was supported
[11:44] <BTJustice> My motherboard is an Asus A7V8X
[11:45] <BTJustice> Promise controlelr i think.
[11:45] <paines> when you boot from the kubuntu cd
[11:45] <paines> press f1 to fn and read the screens
[11:46] <paines> maybe there is an option you can give to linux so that the sata drivers are not loaded
[11:46] <BTJustice> OK, I do that at the very first screen to hiot enter to isntall or type 'server'?
[11:47] <BTJustice> See I want to dual boot (gotta have my WIndows games)
[11:47] <paines> correct, int that screen you can press f1 to fn and read 
[11:48] <BTJustice> alright, let me try that, i'll brb if it doesn;t work
[11:48] <BTJustice> thanks
[11:48] <paines> np
[11:59] <BTJustice> No dice.
[11:59] <BTJustice> I didn;t see anything relating to the "Promise Fast Trak 376" controller.
[12:02] <BTJustice> So how can I get around that to isntall Kubuntu?
[12:03] <jpatrick> what's the problem?
[12:03] <paines> BTJustice, maybe you get around it by diabling scsi
[12:03] <paines> was there the option noscsi ?
[12:04] <BTJustice> Yeah I think there was.
[12:04] <BTJustice> I wonder if maybe I need to load something before the install?
[12:04] <BTJustice> Like off a floppy?
[12:04] <paines> try that. it should work
[12:06] <BTJustice> ok, thanks again
[12:06] <paines> good luck
[12:07] <BTJustice> we'll hope, lol
[12:12] <BTJustice> I didn't see anything about SCSI except for Adaptec stuff and I have no idea what the parameters are or would be.
[12:13] <BTJustice> http://www.google.com/search?q=Promise+FastTrak+376+Linux&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official
[12:13] <BTJustice> I'll have to dig around on that I guess.
[12:26] <ztonzy> hi
[12:41] <BTJustice> OK!  I figured it out.  I had to use "boot: linux pci=noacpi"
[12:41] <BTJustice> That got Kubuntu to install.
[12:41] <BTJustice> I selected to put GRUB on MBR.
[12:42] <BTJustice> Computer rebooted, and went straight ot Windows XP.  No GRUB boot menu appeared.
[12:42] <BTJustice> So how can I boot into Kubuntu?
[12:43] <BTJustice> Can I make a GRUB boot floppy?
[12:43] <BTJustice> How if I can?
[01:39] <sml> test :)
[01:40] <sml> Has anyone noticed a bug in the Network Settings - Configure window?
[01:40] <sml> I cannot see the window to enter the admin password!!
[01:42] <kasim> sml: have it working with kde 3.4.2 
[01:43] <sml> hmm .. do I check my KDE version?
[01:44] <sml> ahhh ... i have 3.4.0!!
[01:44] <sml> can i upgrade via kynaptic?
[01:47] <kasim> sml: i have in /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:47] <kasim> deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342 hoary-updates main
[01:47] <kasim> i have upgraded via kde 3.4.1 the same way
[01:48] <sml> kasim .. why wouldn't my standard updates pick up kde342 ? this doesn't look like a testing repo?
[01:57] <kasim> sml: i dont know, i have it setup that way
[02:01] <nikkia> hmmmm
[02:08] <sml> kasim .. hhmm seems to working
[02:17] <sophyn> sda
[02:22] <apokryphos> hey nikkia =)
[02:22] <nikkia> hi apokryphos
[02:22] <apokryphos> how are you today?
[02:22] <nikkia> meh
[02:22] <apokryphos> sounds promising ;-)
[02:23] <BTJustice> I got a little problem with GRUB.  I made a GRUB floppy boot disk.  When I try to boot from it, all it says is GRUB and nothing else and doesn't do anything.  I can't see any files on it in Windows XP (which I am on now).  What should I do so I can boot into my newly installed Kubuntu?
[02:23] <nikkia> apokryphos: so far, i got up early by mistake, took the cardboard boxes out for the bin men, bought a paper trimmer, and thats about it really
[02:23] <nikkia> oh, and packaged up the CDs and DVD for my mum
[02:23] <apokryphos> I hope she appreciates them :P
[02:24] <apokryphos> You seen this: http://blogs.qtdeveloper.net/archives/2005/08/03/some-basic-thoughts-about-kde-4/ ? Found it pretty interesting
[02:24] <nikkia> apokryphos: she will apreciate 2 of the CDs, dunno about the third
[02:24] <apokryphos> blog entry from Ettrich
[02:24] <nikkia> CDs are: Pink Floyd - The Division Bell (she asked me for another copy of that, she's lost the copy i made years ago),  Robert Plant - The Mighty Rearranger, and Cake - Fashion Nugget
[02:25] <apokryphos> My parents generally don't listen to much else other than old Greek music
[02:25] <apokryphos> most of which I quite like, funnily enough. Works well.
[02:25] <nikkia> i listen to old greek music, assuming vangelis counts as 'old' :P
[02:26] <apokryphos> hehe. I don't even know any of the artists; my dad just has a "Collection of Greek Music" cd with 200 or so MP3s; stick that in, and let the songs roll
[02:27] <apokryphos> (mainly listen to them in the car, that is)
[02:27] <nikkia> apokryphos: i'm not exactly sure what that blog is saying.... it just seems to be rambling :)
[02:32] <apokryphos> Kind of is, but considering he is who he is (founder of KDE), sounds like a prelimenary "sending out the troops"
[02:32] <nikkia> apokryphos: given what he rambles about, i forsee a fork :(
[02:32] <apokryphos> I had a *very* long debate with a gnome-devoutee some time ago, mentioning half the things he's saying there
[02:32] <apokryphos> They kept putting down the evilness of the Konqueror integration
[02:32] <apokryphos> and that kde is failing to make the demarcation for the different user-areas
[02:32] <BTJustice> I got a little problem with GRUB.  I made a GRUB floppy boot disk.  When I try to boot from it, all it says is GRUB and nothing else and doesn't do anything.  I can't see any files on it in Windows XP (which I am on now).  What should I do so I can boot into my newly installed Kubuntu?
[02:32] <nikkia> apokryphos: fine, add a kio configuration option, don't take the things away tho! :P
[02:32] <apokryphos> nikkia: exactly. KDE users don't care if it's better originally, or all that; the longer-time kde members would be very annoyed by such changes
[02:32] <nikkia> apokryphos: as i said, i foresee a fork, if he gets his way :/
[02:32] <insanekane> nikkia: if who gets his way ?
[02:32] <apokryphos> Most people replying seem to speak out against it. Not sure what'll happen; I guess we can only wait n' see.
[02:32] <apokryphos> insanekane: Ettrich
[02:32] <apokryphos> Matthias Ettrich -- founder of KDE.
[02:32] <insanekane> apokryphos: what is he trying to do ? do you mean KDE people will follow him, or not ?
[02:32] <insanekane> apokryphos: yes, i know M. Ettrich
[02:32] <nikkia> insanekane: ettrich wants konqueror stripped of its multi-functionality, 'just a web browser', and 'less configuration options'
[02:32] <insanekane> hmm
[02:32] <apokryphos> check the link above
[02:32] <nikkia> insanekane: IOWS, rip out the kio stuff
[02:32] <nikkia> apokryphos: insanekane joined after you pasted it
[02:32] <insanekane> apokryphos: which link ?
[02:32] <insanekane> yes, i did join after it
[02:32] <insanekane> nikkia: oh ... that is really bad :/
[02:32] <apokryphos> http://blogs.qtdeveloper.net/archives/2005/08/03/some-basic-thoughts-about-kde-4/
[02:33] <insanekane> and ? will the KDE people join him or leave ?
[02:33] <nikkia> apokryphos: with no disrespect to aseigo, plasma makes me a little uneasy too
[02:33] <apokryphos> It's not clear if this is definitely going to happen; as the title mentions, those are some thoughts
[02:33] <apokryphos> and he said he's looking forward to heated discussions at aKademy. Nothing final as of yet.
[02:33] <apokryphos> nikkia: really?
[02:33] <insanekane> nikkia: whats wrong with plasma ? it seems a good thing :)
[02:34] <nikkia> apokryphos: i have no doubt plasma itself will be fine, my worry is that too much will get implemented as 'quick' and dirty python hacks that are slow as toffee
[02:35] <apokryphos> nikkia: They don't like python much, most of them, do they? :P
[02:35] <nikkia> apokryphos: why bother trying to port the thousands of lines of C++ for the clock applet to Qt4, when it can just be written in 20 lines of python ? :/
[02:36] <nikkia> apokryphos: i don't know the KDE devs feelings on python, but i can foresee at least some developers, and a lot of superkaramba hackers, seeing it being easier to port some kde3 applets to kde4 by using the plasma python bindings
[02:37] <apokryphos> I'm trying to remember if PyKDE is going to be shipped natively with kde 4, or if I just thought that up
[02:38] <apokryphos> There isn't actually a python program yet in kde; sk is coming there
[02:38] <apokryphos> one of the Google Summer projects was "make a program in another language"; they wanted to show that kde libs are flexible and C++ isn't needed
[02:38] <insanekane> wow, thank GOD someone noticed about the *stupid* single click :)
[02:40] <nikkia> insanekane: yeah, i had to turn that off yesterday, it was driving me up the wall in k3b :P
[02:40] <apokryphos> Apparently single-click is how one associates the metaphor. Problem is, a *very* minimal amount of persons use linux/kde as their *first* setup
[02:40] <luminerd> anyone know how to tell what windows driver I need for my ethernet?  downloading so I don't end up with a driverless system...
[02:40] <insanekane> actually, pyKDE/pyQt is a damn good choice ... will get better with the new interpreter etc
[02:40] <apokryphos> most are migrators from Windows. So, it's really a question of who the target-audience is
[02:40] <nikkia> apokryphos: the problem is, i have no objection to single-click, if selecting files is made easier
[02:40] <nikkia> apokryphos: as it stands, you cannot select files effectively in KDE with single click enabled
[02:40] <apokryphos> nikkia: current method is use Ctrl, isn't it?
[02:40] <nikkia> apokryphos: it doesn't work properly
[02:40] <apokryphos> insanekane: oh, I'm not saying PyKDE is bad at all -- I think it's very good. And I've felt the loss of not having it since been on hoary
[02:40] <nikkia> apokryphos: if there is already a selection, and you want to make a *new* multi-file selection that cannot be rect-selected, you cannot do it
[02:40] <insanekane> apokryphos: of course, it isn'
[02:41] <insanekane> apokryphos: isn't a panacea :)
[02:41] <equex> nikkia: bingo, i noticed that too
[02:41] <nikkia> apokryphos: at least, not with ctrl-click unselecting all of the existing selection
[02:41] <nikkia> without
[02:41] <equex> windows has an good interface there
[02:42] <nikkia> equex: to be fair, windows has similar issues if single click open is enabled, in places
[02:42] <equex> just keep control held down and make a new multiselection with shift
[02:42] <apokryphos> nikkia: trying to understand what you're saying.. you're saying that if 3 files are selected, and you want to select 4 more, you can't do it?
[02:42] <nikkia> windows always gets the 'double click to open' setting here, too
[02:42] <nikkia> apokryphos: ok, imagine the following scenario...
[02:42] <apokryphos> equex: shift multiselection doesn't work how one might want it to. Works in lines
[02:42] <nikkia> apokryphos: i have file1, 2, and 3 selected, they cannot be rect selected for some reason (assume they're part of a huge directory, and not named concurrently)
[02:43] <apokryphos> double click to open on windows -- precisely. Which is why if the target market is mainly migrators for windows, it's a better idea to stick to double click.
[02:43] <nikkia> concurrently=sequentially
[02:43] <apokryphos> right
[02:43] <equex> my grandmother can double click. thats what people know about computers. doubleclick, hardisk and internet
[02:43] <nikkia> apokryphos: now, i want to unselect those, and select files4, 5, 6, 7, again, not sequentially named, just like that for example's sake
[02:44] <nikkia> apokryphos: i cannot do it, without either, rect selecting one of the new files, and thus creating a new '1 file' selection to start adding with ctrl-click to, or by ctrl-clicking the others and then ctrl-clicking to unselect 1,2,3
[02:45] <nikkia> turn off single click open, and all works fine, of course :)
[02:45] <apokryphos> So, why not click in a blank space so that the selection of 1,2,3 goes, then start selecting them with Ctrl+click?
[02:45] <nikkia> apokryphos: because i might not have blank space :)
[02:45] <insanekane> yeah it sucks ... single click nonsense :)
[02:46] <insanekane> and users get very confused
[02:46] <apokryphos> Ah, in that case then there would indeed be a problem, yeah. =)
[02:46] <nikkia> apokryphos: also, its just *wrong* to single-click add files in k3b
[02:46] <insanekane> actually, i always did wonder why there are no "view-slaves" for konqueror, like io-slaves for communications
[02:46] <insanekane> that would solve the trash bin problem ...
[02:47] <apokryphos> I never use trash -- live life on the edge ;-)
[02:47] <equex> hehe apo
[02:48] <equex> i actually lost files living on the edge, so i keep a trashcan
[02:48] <apokryphos> ok, most of them not mine; phew 8)
[02:49] <nikkia> gah @ powergen
[02:49] <nikkia> they're driving me nuts
[02:50] <nikkia> every day this week, i've gotten a letter saying 'please don't leave us!!'
[02:50] <nikkia> actually, got 2 copies of the same letter today
[02:50] <apokryphos> hah
[02:50] <apokryphos> dear valued customer,
[02:50] <nikkia> apokryphos: i wouldn't mind, but when they CALLED to say 'please don't leave us!!' a month ago, they gave up when they asked why i was switching
[02:51] <nikkia> 'because you're more expensive' 'we can reduce our prices' 'they charge 1/2 your prices' 'ok, never mind, bye'
[02:51] <nxv_> hi, i installed the nvidia driver as discribed here: http://ubuntuguide.org/ how can i validate it is running? glxinfo ends up with seg fault
[02:51] <nikkia> nxv, if glxinfo is seg faulting, chances are, your install isn't right
[02:51] <equex> ahh good to see someone struggle with nvidia
[02:51] <apokryphos> nikkia: haha. Always the way. That happened to me with hosting, though I was surprised to hear them say... "that is an amazing offer.... but actually, we can do better than it!"
[02:52] <neofreko> ppl, I've install ipw2200 and followed the path in http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26623 .. still I don't know how to make my wireless thingy works
[02:52] <apokryphos> nxv_: you should restart x
[02:52] <nikkia> apokryphos: i doubt anyone can offer hosting  on a new account cheaper than i pay :P
[02:53] <nikkia> apokryphos: even the company i'm with, can't offer the price i pay them :)
[02:53] <apokryphos> nikkia: wanna bet ;-)
[02:53] <apokryphos> (same)
[02:53] <nxv_> apokryphos: i did
[02:53] <apokryphos> SimpleKDE http://www.simplekde.org/ -- this has gotta be a joke... no, no it isn't. Unofficial fork.
[02:53] <nikkia> neofreko: 25/year 1GB/50GB b/w
[02:53] <nxv_> apokryphos: ended kde and did additional ctrl+alt+backspace in the login
[02:53] <apokryphos> $3 a month, 6 gig -- 75 gig bandwidth
[02:54] <apokryphos> and reliable too :P
[02:54] <neofreko> anyone has some wireless stuff clues for me?
[02:54] <apokryphos> nxv_: if it's working then it should show nvidia screen before your kdm comes up
[02:54] <nikkia> apokryphos: hmmm, how many email/mysql/psql ?
[02:54] <nxv_> haven't seen the nvidia logo
[02:54] <apokryphos> nikkia: ok, that is limited ;-), but it's a.o.k. for me only because I have another account with unlimited all.
[02:55] <apokryphos> nikkia: thing is, at the time I could've asked them and they probably would've given me unlimited of those
[02:55] <apokryphos> nikkia: said it was part of their "meet and great" idea :|
[02:55] <nikkia> apokryphos: oh, i'm limited on them, i just wondered what your limits were
[02:56] <apokryphos> nikkia: MySQL 15; add-on: 5; emails.. hmm, I should check
[02:56] <nikkia> apokryphos: any psql dbs at all ?
[02:56] <apokryphos> they're good though; very reliable (I've had alertra.com on the case), have python and all the stuff
[02:56] <apokryphos> nikkia: what is that? :|
[02:56] <nikkia> apokryphos: postgresql databases
[02:56] <apokryphos> What are they for? Haven't used one, and doubtful if I've heard of them
[02:57] <nikkia> apokryphos: its just another database server, a bit more 'heavyweight' than mysql
[02:57] <apokryphos> nikkia: can you check from cpanel?
[02:57] <nikkia> apokryphos: should be able to
[02:57] <nikkia> apokryphos: cpanel 10 should display mysql/psql database counts together
[02:58] <apokryphos> I only have Mysql databases  3 / 10
[02:58] <apokryphos> cPanel Pro  1.0 (RC1)
[02:58] <nikkia> then you probably don't have postgres on the server
[02:58] <apokryphos> cpanel 1.0 is 10, as I recall, right?
[02:59] <nikkia> apokryphos: erm, no idea
[02:59] <nikkia> mine just id's as cpanel X
[02:59] <nxv_> when i run nvidia-settings it opens a box wich seems to referre to an panel applet. but it isn't present. perhaps gnome only? console says ERROR: NV-CONTROL extension not found on this Display.
[02:59] <nikkia> with 'cpanel 10' in tiny letters on the edge of the control panel :)
[02:59] <apokryphos> Quite sure it is; I *definitely* don't ahve 1 if 10 is out. My cpanel looks like the screenies provided on their site, at least
[03:00] <nikkia> apokryphos: which screenies?
[03:00] <nikkia> oh, there they are
[03:01] <nikkia> hmmm
[03:01] <nikkia> all the screenshots on cpanel.net appear to be cpanel 9.9
[03:02] <apokryphos> for me: cPanel Build  10.2.0-RELEASE 82
[03:03] <apokryphos> Anyhow, whatever it is, suffice it to say it does the job. They give me all the things I need; shell access, imagemagick, php, python, a few add-ons et al. so it's all gravy :)
[03:06] <jpatrick> i'm bored :(
[03:07] <jjesse> me too but i'm at work :(
[03:07] <jpatrick> I'm doing my homework :s
[03:07] <apokryphos> homework in the summer? :|
[03:07] <jpatrick> It's a bad spanish habit
[03:08] <jpatrick> They give us tons of homework
[03:09] <apokryphos> jpatrick: just so that you don't have too much fun in the summer ;)
[03:09] <jpatrick> yep
[03:09] <jpatrick> I have 3 books to fill in
[03:10] <jpatrick> :p
[03:10] <apokryphos> sounds fun 8)
[03:11] <jpatrick> playing with Liquid Weather is
[03:12] <apokryphos> You go the latest SK? KHotNewStuff is great; kind of a shame that it shouldn't work with the most popular theme, though :|
[03:12] <jpatrick> I heard of KHotNewStuff
[03:13] <apokryphos> It's the stuff that makes your kde-desktop kind fo integrate with kdelook. It's already used, for example, in "Getting new Wallpapers"
[03:13] <jpatrick> oh cool
[03:16] <nikkia> apokryphos: this blog is starting to make me angry :P
[03:16] <Elak> hi all
[03:16] <apokryphos> nikkia: the comments or the actual blog? ;)
[03:16] <nikkia> the comments
[03:16] <apokryphos> which ones?
[03:17] <nikkia> apokryphos: the ones saying 'yeah, get rid of kparts and kio' :P
[03:18] <nikkia> oh god, he's the person behind unsermake? *blood boils*
[03:18] <apokryphos> Didn't actually know that. Let's lynch 'im
[03:19] <nikkia> there's little i hate more than getting some package dl'ed then being told 'oh, sorry, you need my own make program because i'm too leet to learn make'
[03:19] <apokryphos> :P
[03:19] <nikkia> and then finding said 'replacement make' has 1000 deps of its own, and isn't really any better than make, and worst of all, is only used to build *2* applications out there
[03:20] <nikkia> i believe i have 8 different make replacements installed here, all because some app i wanted required the author's own make replacement
[03:21] <equex> make your choice
[03:21] <nxv_> re, the nvidia-glx kernel module seems to be linked against the 386 ubuntu kernel. can i download a module working with the 686 ubuntu kernel?
[03:21] <apokryphos> Haha: "indeed, double clicking, aside from bringing on all sorts of muscle damage, also incurs yet more configuration cost in the form of yet more dialogues for tuning the double-click delay, click distance, and so on."
[03:23] <apokryphos> I don't think a bifurcation of file-manager/web browser will be *that* devastating, but I disagree that they're completely different categories. Where would FTP go?
[03:24] <nikkia> apokryphos: if anything, i would argue that web/local has come closer together over the last few years, on all platforms
[03:24] <nikkia> splitting them back up again *now* would be like a return to 1994
[03:24] <apokryphos> you should put in a comment ;-)
[03:24] <nikkia> apokryphos: i very rarely write on forums/blogs/etc
[03:25] <apokryphos> It'll be interesting to see all the new innovations of aKademy this time around
[03:25] <apokryphos> Forums are the best discussion place for Philosophy, and Literature probably, so I tend to use them for that
[03:26] <nikkia> apokryphos: when i write in environments like that, i always seem to end up coming across in one of 3 ways, and i don't enjoy appearing to be any of them :)
[03:27] <nikkia> (ranting, arrogant, or stupid - before you ask :)
[03:27] <apokryphos> I'm sure you don't :P
[03:28] <nikkia> anyway, my lunch should be ready, brb
[03:28] <apokryphos> design proposal: http://kde-artists.org/main/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,48/expv,0/topic,301.0 hmm, now waht DE does this remind me of... ;-)
[03:28] <apokryphos> ok
[03:29] <jpatrick> it says: Create little games or virtual pets that live on your desktop
[03:29] <jpatrick> Anyone been able to find virtual pet of SK?
[03:31] <d> I need to upgrade the sane (scanner) lib/utils under Hoary to the latest CVS version. How do I go about removing/replacing the old sane without apt demanding that I uninstall kubuntu desktop etc?
[03:31] <nikkia> apokryphos: argh, even MS abandoned that UI :P
[03:31] <d> I've compiled it already- its just that it is finding the hoary sane instead of my CVS compile
[03:32] <nikkia> d, there's no easy way to do it
[03:32] <nikkia> and just 'make install'ing may very well break core KDE stuff that depends on SANE, its a risk you take
[03:34] <apokryphos> "August 4, 2005 at 4:50 pm" is the best opposing comment as far as I can see. If a little harsh ;-)
[03:35] <nikkia> apokryphos: on what?
[03:35] <apokryphos> blog comment
[03:37] <nikkia> it brings up an interesting point
[03:37] <apokryphos> yes, several :P
[03:37] <nikkia> the remark about the 'dumbing down to the UI of a phone'
[03:37] <apokryphos> analogies can be dangerous things
[03:38] <nikkia> from what i can see, M.E spends most of his time working with Qtopia these days
[03:39] <apokryphos> You're probably right; this is the first time I've seen him mentioned with KDE in quite some time
[03:40] <apokryphos> Heh, ouch. Just checked the guy's KDE blog -- the one with the comment I referenced
[03:40] <apokryphos> first entry I see "first of all I hope you are aware that your heading "a lesson to all" sounds like pure arrogance to everyone who took part in these discussions but is still not considered in any of your reasonings."
[03:40] <apokryphos> :|
[03:42] <apokryphos> He has a blog section for "rants" -- nice.
[03:47] <nikkia> apokryphos: sadly, i find myself agreeing with a lot of what he's written :/
[03:47] <apokryphos> indeed
[03:47] <nikkia> especially about the toolbar mess :P
[03:48] <apokryphos> Yeah; I think Konqueror has some issues with that, and its use of space.
[03:48] <nikkia> is it koffice that has like 1400 toolbars ?
[03:48] <apokryphos> :|
[03:48] <apokryphos> it does have a lot
[03:48] <Zinoc> Hi
[03:48] <apokryphos> Quanta+ has loads too
[03:48] <apokryphos> hi Zinoc 
[03:49] <nikkia> its possibly quanta i'm thinking of
[03:49] <nikkia> there's one where they occupy about 1/3 of the screen height in maximised mode
[03:49] <apokryphos> I just removed/replaced a lot of them, and it's fine now
[03:50] <nikkia> nope, its not quanta either
[03:50] <nikkia> what AM i thinking of??
[03:50] <apokryphos> nikkia: definitely kde?
[03:50] <nikkia> apokryphos: not definitely, no, but i think its kde
[03:52] <apokryphos> Quanta is pretty bad for that though; i.e. see http://quanta.kdewebdev.org/screenshots//shot3.png
[03:52] <nikkia> no, it wasn't quanta
[03:52] <apokryphos> that's a super screen; generally the toolbar there would go to two lines
[03:53] <nikkia> this app i'm thinking of had like 8 toolbars, that generally got less filled on each line
[03:53] <nikkia> (similar in appearance to how the Word toolbars used to be years ago)
[03:54] <apokryphos> Used MS Word the other day and quite liked it; thought, yup, one of the things missing on Linux
[03:54] <nikkia> OOo has a nice backend, shame its UI is so bad :/
[03:54] <apokryphos> I have a pretty negative feel to OO; probably down to its UI, yeah.
[03:55] <nikkia> someone should do a native KDE port, if only so we can have an app called KOOo :P
[03:55] <jpatrick> :p
[03:55] <apokryphos> hehe
[03:55] <apokryphos> Trying to think of what they'd call firefox if ported
[03:55] <apokryphos> kfirefox sounds really bad; firefok!
[03:56] <equex> haha
[03:56] <nikkia> firefoKs was suggested last night, i believe :)
[03:56] <equex> ah thats good
[03:56] <apokryphos> haha
[03:56] <equex> kthanks
[03:57] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hiya
[03:57] <nikkia> apokryphos: hmmm, is there a kio for sftp ?
[03:57] <apokryphos> woo! Root has landed. Hi Rogue_Jedi_X 
[03:58] <root> i am struggling with my WLAN .. but so so close
[03:58] <nikkia> indeed there is!
[03:58] <apokryphos> yes
[03:58] <nikkia> so krusader can replace kbear!
[03:58] <nikkia> and the kio's are probably more reliable than kbear :)
[03:58] <apokryphos> Heh. Haven't used KBear in months
[03:58] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Krusader rocks
[03:58] <root> it is all connected and there is a signal --- but i am stuck at the last phase!
[03:58] <nikkia> hmmm, interesting
[03:59] <apokryphos> krusader is yuck :P
[03:59] <nikkia> sftp:// doesn't appear to use IPv6
[03:59] <Rogue_Jedi_X> No yuck! Good!
[03:59] <apokryphos> Why Krusader when you can have something to Konquer it?
[03:59] <apokryphos> nikkia: is sftp that important? 
[04:00] <nikkia> ah, it does use IPv6, it just fails to open 'sftp://laptop' claiming 'laptop doesn't exist' (after, note, prompting for the username/password!)
[04:00] <Rogue_Jedi_X> It has a command line at the bottom and dual panes, two things I need
[04:00] <apokryphos> nikkia: I always just use fish or ftp
[04:00] <nikkia> apokryphos: because when you're doing file transfers via ftp/sftp you want 2 panels, and 2 konq windows is a mess
[04:00] <nikkia> apokryphos: i don't trust ftp enough :)
[04:00] <apokryphos> Rogue_Jedi_X: Konqueror can have that too. Just select it from the menu
[04:01] <apokryphos> nikkia: paranoid or substantiated untrustiness? ;)
[04:01] <nikkia> apokryphos: konq has a split panel mode ?
[04:01] <apokryphos> of course
[04:01] <nikkia> apokryphos: paranoid
[04:01] <apokryphos> I wonder what fish is like for security
[04:01] <nikkia> apokryphos: where?
[04:02] <nikkia> apokryphos: don't have them installed :P
[04:02] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hm, never noticed that
[04:02] <apokryphos> it should come with basic kdebase
[04:02] <apokryphos> use the help Kio; help:konqueror
[04:02] <nikkia> ah, there it is, under window rather than view
[04:03] <apokryphos> though I never use dual panels... would still prefer to have two windows if I needed it; though ctrl+c/ctrl+v isn't a hassle
[04:03] <apokryphos> you can of course choose how to have the panels too; top/bottom or left/right
[04:03] <_woody> hi
[04:03] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Does anyone here use mldonkey?
[04:04] <_woody> i use aMule.. its fantastic.. simple the best
[04:04] <apokryphos> Rogue_Jedi_X: tried it out once. Saw no reason to use anything other than Limewire
[04:04] <apokryphos> same for aMule :P
[04:05] <_woody> sorry, i'm brasilian and not understand english very well.. whats "same"?
[04:05] <jpatrick> mismo in spanish
[04:05] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I'm asking 'cause I can't get the stupid thing to work. aMule works fine, but - and this will sound stupid - it's ugly
[04:05] <_woody> and portuguese? rsrsrs
[04:05] <jpatrick> no idea
[04:06] <_woody> rsrs
[04:06] <apokryphos> _woody: similar, alike
[04:06] <jpatrick> alike
[04:06] <jpatrick> ^^
[04:06] <apokryphos> one of the cases where the "a" prefix doesn't imply the negative :P
[04:06] <_woody> woody is codinome of a debian 
[04:07] <apokryphos> indeed
[04:07] <_woody> i'm use this, but 'im interessed in ubuntu or kubuntu.. 
[04:07] <apokryphos> cool :)
[04:08] <apokryphos> If you're better at Spanish, there is #ubuntu-es and #kubuntu-es by the way
[04:08] <_woody> i'm rear something for discovery ubuntu/kubuntu.. 
[04:08] <Rogue_Jedi_X> God, I hate this piece of crap. It's supposed to be multi-network, but all it can connect to is ed2k and Gnutella servers with no useres. No sign whatsoever of G2, OpenNap or anything else
[04:08] <_woody> ok
[04:08] <Rogue_Jedi_X> *users
[04:08] <apokryphos> Rogue_Jedi_X: what would you use the extra ones for? Gnutella has never failed to find a song I wanted
[04:08] <_woody> exist #ubuntu-br or pt?
[04:09] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I'm going back to aMule. It's ugly, but at least it works
[04:09] <apokryphos> _woody: nope
[04:09] <Rogue_Jedi_X> ed2k for bigger files and the others for songs and such
[04:09] <apokryphos> as in films? Conventional p2p clients always seem really bad for that. Torrents/IRC is the way
[04:09] <jpatrick> cool you can get a newer kernel via apt-get
[04:10] <Rogue_Jedi_X> ed2k has a really nice selection regarding films. Even old ones
[04:10] <apokryphos> !info linux-k7
[04:10] <ubotu> linux-k7: (Complete Linux kernel on AMD K7.), section restricted/base, is optional. Version: 2.6.10-7 (hoary), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 48 kB
[04:10] <apokryphos> that's what I have :P
[04:11] <Rogue_Jedi_X> So, apokryphos, you're saying that LimeWire is the way to go for songs?
[04:12] <apokryphos> Without a doubt, yeah.
[04:12] <apokryphos> Though I'd prefer there to be something like Ktella :P
[04:12] <apokryphos> Qtella never worked for me
[04:12] <apokryphos> on that note, I've never got Apollon to work neither
[04:12] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Me neither
[04:12] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Gift kept bitching about something
[04:13] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Downloading Limewire...
[04:14] <apokryphos> hope it's fixed in hoary
[04:14] <apokryphos> even compiled it as I recall, and still :P
[04:14] <apokryphos> *breezy
[04:15] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Me too. When is it due? October?
[04:15] <apokryphos> Yup. For more info:
[04:15] <apokryphos> !breezyschedule
[04:15] <ubotu> breezyschedule is probably at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseSchedule
[04:15] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Thanks
[04:16] <apokryphos> it will be usable quite before that though
[04:17] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I think I'll wait anyway
[04:17] <jpatrick> I think I'll get it soon
[04:18] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Ugh, curse my social life. brb
[04:19] <mabu> Can Anyone do Alt+F2 gg: something whitout freezing konqueror?
[04:19] <sproingie> works fine for me
[04:19] <apokryphos> works fine; I use it every now and again
[04:19] <PieD> works fine here too
[04:20] <mabu> By me konqueror starts flashing and doesn't want to stop
[04:20] <mabu> I have to kill kfmclient and konqueror
[04:20] <apokryphos> :S
[04:21] <mabu> Did you install kubuntu or ubuntu?
[04:21] <apokryphos> it shouldn't matter, but ubuntu.
[04:21] <apokryphos> there was no kubuntu back then :P
[04:22] <mabu> I installed ubuntu and then apt-get install kubuntu
[04:22] <apokryphos> There is no kubuntu pack
[04:22] <apokryphos> you should apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:22] <mabu> I mean kubuntu-desktop
[04:22] <apokryphos> mabu: You should be fine then. Are you on 3.4.2?
[04:23] <mabu> yes
[04:23] <apokryphos> mabu: did you do sudo apt-get upgrade to install it?
[04:23] <mabu> I had the same problem on 3.4.0 too
[04:23] <apokryphos> :-o
[04:24] <apokryphos> actually, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade would be better
[04:25] <sml> guys ... i am so close with my WLAN connection .. can anyone help in the last stage :)
[04:25] <jpatrick> last stage?
[04:26] <sml> it is connected. and the iwconfig shows good signal strength
[04:26] <sml> i think i set the essid correctly
[04:26] <sml> it is set as dhcp
[04:27] <sml> but when i try to enable the wlan in the network configuration menu .. it flashes green for a second, then back to red!
[04:28] <neofreko> sml: I can't even make wireless networking works here :(.. any tips?
[04:29] <sml> neofreko .. not sure what you mean ..?
[04:29] <neofreko> i'm tryinh to get wireless networking device works .. i'm new in this wirelss thingy ..
[04:30] <neofreko> got ipw2200 on Compaq Presario m2000 with Kubuntu here
[04:31] <sml> that should be easy!!! that is properly supported without ndiswrapper or linuxant!!
[04:36] <sml> neofreko .. surely you have googled on this one. what is the problem?
[04:36] <neofreko> i dunno ..I've foolowed the instructin on ubuntufroum
[04:37] <neofreko> I even installed ipw 1.0.x
[04:37] <neofreko> the best thing is, I don't even know where to start :p
[04:38] <neofreko> my intuition says I need to look at dmesg .. to look for some strange device
[05:15] <nikkia> sproingie: what did you do? go in and say '((paranethesis)(suck))(!))' ?
[05:15] <sproingie> naw, someone told me sbcl wouldn't install because of a kernel bug
[05:15] <sproingie> i said not bloody likely, everything else works on 32bit chroot
[05:15] <sproingie> i didn't realize this guy was an sbcl developer
[05:16] <nikkia> sproingie: iirc, its probably 'NX'
[05:17] <nikkia> iirc, sbcl is one of the lisps that compiles as it goes, so it'll need to be able to write to a code segment, unless its been patched for that
[05:17] <sproingie> nope
[05:18] <sproingie> it was a gratuitous ABI change that turned int3 from SIGTRAP to SIGSEGV
[05:18] <nikkia> ah
[05:18] <sproingie> i'm always amazed by how much cmucl and sbcl are like userland operating systems
[05:19] <sproingie> they go to the metal
[05:19] <nikkia> sproingie: its the lisp mindset, i spose
[05:19] <sproingie> which is funny since you'd think the opposite
[05:19] <sproingie> i guess not since the lisp machine
[05:20] <nikkia> on a 50 year old language? no i wouldn't really
[05:20] <sproingie> clisp is pretty damn portable tho
[05:20] <sproingie> of course it's written in C
[05:20] <sproingie> makes it kind of slow.  still smokes perl, python, or java tho
[06:25] <Riggzy> Ack... just tried to print a webpage via Firefox and it closed without an error
[06:25] <Riggzy> (and didn't print)
[06:27] <Riggzy> Only happens on some sites
[06:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> Riggzy: go to the printer setup bit under file -> printer and check it's printing to a real printer
[06:30] <Riggzy> Kamping_Kaiser , it works on msot sites
[06:30] <Riggzy> jsut not this one site
[06:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, i know
[06:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> still check
[06:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> i seem to remember someone where i work with the same problem
[06:31] <Riggzy> Yep, Postscript/Deskjet5550
[06:32] <Riggzy> Nevermind, it's printed now (from another machine)
[06:39] <_ray> anybody know hoe to clear the location bar in konqueror...i cleared history but didn't work?
[06:45] <jpatrick> _ray: tried pressing the x button left of it?
[06:45] <_ray> jpatrick: yeah but it doesnt clear them all just the current one
[06:45] <jpatrick> oh
[06:46] <_ray> jpatrick: i mean its no big deal but i would like it if i could clear all the entries
[06:49] <jpatrick> I know
[06:53] <hans_> is there a program like daemon tools for kubuntu?
[06:54] <frank_> hans_: well you can mount iso by hand
[06:54] <_ray> anyone familiar with mencoder?
[06:54] <frank_> hans_: I don't know if there is a way to mount .nrg .ccd .whatever though
[06:54] <apokryphos> _ray: try clearing the cache too
[06:54] <_ray> jpatrick: i just cleared the history and cache again....and it worked
[06:55] <_ray> !find konverter
[06:55] <ubotu> Ubuntu Search of 'konverter' (1 shown): (/usr/share/icons/mono/scalable/apps/konverter.svgz) in universe/kde/kde-icons-mono.
[07:04] <jpatrick> holy...
[07:04] <jpatrick> Need to get 911MB of archives.
[07:05] <jpatrick> :O
[07:08] <jpatrick> i'm off
[07:10] <buz> can anyone recommend a scanner/printer/copier for linux with single ink cartridges?
[07:11] <nikkia> buz, something by epson
[07:11] <buz> how about canon
[07:11] <buz> ink for canon is dirt cheap
[07:11] <nikkia> lousy linux support from canon
[07:11] <buz> i half expected it
[07:11] <nikkia> unless you pay for turboprint, even then, its not ideal
[07:12] <buz> how about samsung?
[07:12] <buz> they got a rather sanely looking laser/scanner
[07:12] <nikkia> epson support linux fairly well, and gimpprint (now gutenprint) supports all the features
[07:12] <nikkia> dunno, i'd look thru the list of supported devices in gimpprint
[07:12] <buz> and sane for scanning?
[07:13] <nikkia> which is what you're going to want to use, since the native cups drivers are very old :)
[07:13] <buz> maybe i'll only get a small scanner
[07:13] <nikkia> yeah
[07:13] <buz> the laser still works, sort of
[07:13] <nikkia> i'd buy seperates, personally, all-in-ones are too much reliance on 'everything' working at once
[07:13] <buz> and i dont care much for inkjet anymore
[07:13] <buz> well it saves deskspace
[07:13] <nikkia> yeah, it does, but at a lot of prices
[07:13] <buz> as long as it bloody scans and does occasional copies, i'm good
[07:14] <_ray> i never cared for the all in ones
[07:14] <_ray> but they are space savers
[07:14] <buz> then again, i bought a brother one (including fax) for my father
[07:14] <buz> it wouldnt be so bad except for that fact that it mixes black with color ink :((((
[07:14] <buz> (it got black cartridge of course!)
[07:14] <buz> so brother is not on the list ;)
[07:15] <_ray> i still cant print to my upstairs printer in kde...i could i gnome
[07:16] <buz> mhh epson got a 100$ one
[07:16] <buz> lets see how consumables are priced
[07:16] <buz> (all others are >300$)
[07:17] <buz> is that some sort of bad joke. color cartridges and black both got 13ml ink. only the color cost half the price of the black one
[07:18] <nikkia> buz, which epson ?
[07:18] <buz> cx3650
[07:18] <nikkia> buz, i pay, umm, 1.95 for my colour carts, and 2.10 for my black carts
[07:18] <buz> where
[07:18] <nikkia> and yes, they're the same size, don't ask why black ink is more expensive
[07:18] <nikkia> buz, ebuyer
[07:18] <nikkia> for an R300
[07:18] <buz> i  looked at inkclub
[07:18] <nikkia> (i wanted/needed CD/DVD printing
[07:18] <_ray> nikkia where are you from?
[07:18] <nikkia> ray, UK, why?
[07:19] <_ray> is that the symbol for pound?
[07:19] <nikkia> ray, yes
[07:19] <buz> yes
[07:19] <buz> that's cheap
[07:19] <_ray> ahh .... 
[07:19] <nikkia> buz, i dunno...
[07:19] <_ray> how dose 1 pound compare to one dollar?
[07:19] <buz> about 1.5
[07:19] <nikkia> buz, my parents have an epson 3+1 printer, and they pay 2.95 for the colour and 1.75 for the black carts
[07:20] <buz> maybe 1.7
[07:20] <buz> heck, my GF pays 6? for her canon ink
[07:20] <_ray> cool
[07:20] <buz> and that's quite cheap already
[07:20] <nikkia> (3+1 = all colours in one cart, plus seperate black, just in case you didn't realise)
[07:20] <buz> HP crap is more like well 30?
[07:20] <nikkia> and they pay that... FROM THEIR LOCAL SUPERMARKET!
[07:20] <buz> yeah i wont buy that
[07:20] <_ray> i pay like $40 for ink
[07:20] <buz> http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=UFNTaG93UmVzdWx0cw%3D%3D fucking cheap
[07:20] <buz> i want that in switzerlan
[07:21] <nikkia> buz, what you have to realise, is that the UK is 'weird'
[07:21] <nikkia> printers seem to have become a national symbol of sorts
[07:21] <buz> i'm aware of that
[07:21] <buz> hu?
[07:21] <nikkia> i can walk into my parents town, and walk from the top of the town to the bottom, and pass 30+ shops that ONLY sell ink
[07:21] <buz> ok that is weird
[07:21] <buz> truly
[07:21] <nikkia> thats in about, umm, 2.5 miles
[07:21] <_ray> nikkia: that is weird
[07:22] <buz> how big is that town
[07:22] <nikkia> as i said to my mum 'what is this? the fucking printer capital of the world?'
[07:22] <_ray> nikkia: i have to drive 50+ miles to buy ink
[07:22] <buz> must be frontends for some sort of money laundering
[07:22] <nikkia> buz, 15,000 people? 8,000 in winter
[07:22] <buz> definitely something fishy with those shops then
[07:23] <nikkia> buz, the towns like that, in the 80s it was shoes
[07:23] <nikkia> in the 90s, it was CDs
[07:23] <nikkia> now its ink *shrug*
[07:23] <patrick__> hi
[07:23] <_ray> hello
[07:23] <nikkia> buz, even so, almost every town here will have a shop that sells only ink
[07:23] <patrick__> i need a sources.list that has any files for kde and gnome
[07:23] <nikkia> buz, and you can buy ink in most supermarkets, newsagents, and so on
[07:23] <patrick__> which sources do i have to add
[07:24] <buz> do you guys print your own wallpapers every day or what
[07:24] <_ray> patrick__: did you uncomment universe
[07:24] <nikkia> buz, i don't know, i can't understand who prints all this stuff
[07:24] <nikkia> buz, to give you an idea of the insanity
[07:25] <nikkia> the petrol station opposite me.. guess what... 
[07:25] <nikkia> THEY SELL INK
[07:25] <buz> well that's not so bad
[07:25] <nikkia> they don't have carts for my printer, but still
[07:25] <buz> one of the ones here sell CDR
[07:25] <_ray> patrick__: i have universe multiverse and ubuntu backports....i could post my sourceslist in #flood if you want
[07:25] <buz> (of course no DVDR ;)
[07:25] <nikkia> buz, DVDs is becoming another hot item
[07:25] <buz> dvds or dvdr
[07:25] <nikkia> again, almost every shop i go in sells DVD-R/+R/+RW discs
[07:26] <buz> well they're cheap to stock
[07:26] <_ray> yeah ive had my dvd burner for like 2 months now and still havent bought any dvd's
[07:26] <nikkia> DVD recorders here are getting fairly popular tho
[07:26] <nikkia> i see more people buying +RW packs than i see buying VHS tapes
[07:26] <nikkia> (but then, +RW discs are cheaper than VHS)
[07:26] <_ray> vhs = dead
[07:26] <patrick__> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/976
[07:27] <_ray> patrick__: im gonna post mine there hold on
[07:27] <nikkia> i was a bit annoyed on monday
[07:28] <nikkia> wanted to pick up another 10 +RW discs, but the cheap place i bought the last lot had sold out, and didn't want to pay 1/disc
[07:28] <patrick__> nikkia, i only recommend to buy verbatim :)
[07:28] <patrick__> everything else is mostly crap
[07:28] <buz> i dont care for RW
[07:28] <nikkia> patrick__: i prefer philips and memorex
[07:28] <nikkia> buz, you don't own a dvd recorder, obviously :)
[07:28] <buz> after burning 200+ crap dvdr, i concur. buy namebrand
[07:28] <patrick__> ok philips is more expensiv than verbatim
[07:29] <nikkia> -R/+R is a pain for dvd recorders
[07:29] <patrick__> btw. litescribe is a cool feature :)
[07:29] <patrick__> ever seen that 
[07:29] <patrick__> ?
[07:29] <buz> well if i could watch bbc, i'd perhaps buy a dvd recorder
[07:29] <buz> this way, dvdr writer is good enough
[07:29] <nikkia> patrick__: i normally pay around 50-75p per disc for philips
[07:30] <patrick__> what are "p"?
[07:30] <nikkia> patrick__: pence, 1/100th of a pound
[07:30] <patrick__> ok...
[07:30] <patrick__> euro <--> pount = 1: 1,5?
[07:30] <buz> something like that
[07:30] <patrick__> i just buyed dvd-mediums form verbatim for about 75cent
[07:31] <patrick__> only a few litescribes are more expensiv
[07:31] <nikkia> patrick__: which format?
[07:31] <patrick__> dvd
[07:31] <patrick__> +r
[07:31] <nikkia> i'm talking about +RW
[07:31] <patrick__> +rw
[07:31] <patrick__> 5x dl
[07:31] <patrick__> and 5 litescribe
[07:31] <patrick__> rw are not much, but a little cheaper here
[07:31] <patrick__> but i guess, we cant compare it...
[07:31] <patrick__> different taxes,etc.
[07:35] <Aapzak> hello people
[07:36] <patrick__> ray: are u still there
[07:36] <patrick__> ?
[07:36] <_ray> yup
[07:36] <patrick__> is ur sources.lst much different?
[07:36] <_ray> i posted it
[07:36] <_ray> where u did
[07:37] <patrick__> could u paste the link here too ;)
[07:38] <patrick__> ah...
[07:38] <_ray> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/977
[07:38] <patrick__> ok :)
[07:43] <patrick__> do i need the deb-src entrys 
[07:44] <_ray> wouldnt hurt
[07:46] <patrick__> ah... universe debs from ubuntu doesnt list kde updates
[07:46] <patrick__> their versions are still 3.4.0
[07:46] <aseigo> Riddell: pingy?
[07:46] <patrick__> which string has to be added so that it always displays the latest?
[07:46] <_ray> the latest kde?
[07:46] <patrick__> ya
[07:46] <_ray> did you even look at my sources
[07:47] <_ray> you already had universe
[07:47] <patrick__> deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342 hoary-updates main <--?
[07:47] <patrick__> ok
[07:47] <_ray> there ya go
[07:47] <patrick__> if i write deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main
[07:47] <buz> nikkia: how about ink drying with epson? lexmark is notorious for htat
[07:47] <patrick__> will it always list the latest?
[07:48] <_ray> i dont know...i think it changes from hoary-kde342 to hoary343 etc
[07:48] <patrick__> so i always will have to modify that string?
[07:48] <_ray> how hard is it?
[07:49] <_ray> the releases last a while
[07:49] <patrick__> not hard, but thats less comfortable
[07:49] <patrick__> ;)
[07:49] <patrick__> i am a lazy guy
[07:49] <_ray> well..... its worth getting 3.4.2
[07:50] <patrick__> well now i need sources for k-office and openoffice 2 beta
[07:51] <patrick__> the lastest releases ;)
[07:51] <_ray> k-office is in my list and openoffice2 is in universe
[07:51] <_ray> patrick__: its all on the kubuntu site
[07:52] <_donofrio> so does anyone know ghow to get kdesu to do what sudo does from cmdline in kde?
[07:53] <_ray> _donofrio: yeah just type it in the same
[07:53] <patrick__> in universe is a damned old version
[07:53] <_ray> of OOo
[07:53] <_donofrio> what sudo run's standalone from konsole?
[07:53] <patrick__> sudo -s
[07:54] <_ray> patrick__: openoffice2 is old?
[07:54] <buz> current oo2: ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/OpenOffice.org/devel/680
[07:54] <_ray> buz thank you
[07:54] <patrick__> the version which is listed here...
[07:55] <Riddell> aseigo: hi
[07:55] <patrick__> 1.9.79.9 is about an half year now
[07:55] <patrick__> the latest is about 1xx now
[07:55] <_donofrio> "sudo -s synaptic" didn't run
[07:55] <aseigo> Riddell: hey guy =))
[07:55] <buz> 122
[07:55] <buz> or so
[07:55] <_ray> u ever think to download it from the site?
[07:56] <aseigo> Riddell: i was actually wondering if you have a collection of kubuntu patches for easy download anywhere?
[07:56] <buz> site got rpm
[07:56] <buz> which is somewhat painful
[07:56] <patrick__> thats less comfortable again, _ray  ;)
[07:56] <buz> alien is a pain
[07:56] <buz> and rpm2cpio isnt for noobs
[07:56] <_ray> yeah i huess
[07:56] <_ray> *guess
[07:56] <buz> (i used to go the rpm2cpio route but the debs are just plain more convenient)
[07:57] <buz> (of course, one giant deb would be easier still)
[07:57] <_donofrio> how do I run sudo=kdesu? sudo -s returns nothing
[07:57] <_ray> buz that link that you posted has debs
[07:57] <buz> i know
[07:57] <buz> thats why i posted it
[07:57] <buz> _donofrio: what do you want to do
[07:57] <_ray> patrick wasnt paying attention
[07:57] <_donofrio> run synaptic from the kde run line using kdesu like sudo ablity?
[07:58] <buz> kdesu synaptic works for me on the command line
[07:58] <_ray> _donofrio: your not making any sense
[07:58] <Aapzak> has anyone here ever played vendetta-online?
[07:58] <_donofrio> kicker/run/kdesu synaptic = dosn't work?
[07:58] <_ray> Aapzak: is it free
[07:58] <Aapzak> half :)
[07:58] <Aapzak> you can use the trail
[07:58] <_ray> Aapzak: half?
[07:59] <patrick__> _ray, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OpenOffice2Beta?highlight=%28openoffice%29 <-- it would be much easier and faster if there were a deb xyz oo2 :)
[07:59] <_ray> patrick__: buz gave you the link
[08:00] <patrick__> where?
[08:00] <Aapzak> I'm looking for games on linux which will keep me from booting to windows. Now I boot to Windows for Battlefield2 and Counterstrike source
[08:01] <patrick__> xchat colorsetting doesnt highlight links :/
[08:01] <_ray> Aapzak: have you tried enemy-territory
[08:01] <_donofrio> repository request - guarddog?
[08:01] <_ray> Aapzak: have you tried enemy-territory
[08:01] <_ray> oops
[08:01] <Aapzak> you wanted me to try thatone, right
[08:01] <Aapzak> I will
[08:02] <Aapzak> I've played an unreal I think?
[08:02] <_ray> do it..that game is full and free and cool
[08:02] <_ray> also americas army
[08:02] <Aapzak> I have thatone
[08:02] <patrick__> ah... found
[08:02] <patrick__> thx
[08:02] <Aapzak> have you played BF2?
[08:02] <Aapzak> it's amazing
[08:02] <_ray> yeah i dont like aa as much because you cant respawn
[08:02] <Aapzak> yeah
[08:02] <_ray> BF2 whats that?
[08:03] <Aapzak> battlefield2
[08:03] <Riddell> aseigo: there's the packaging patches at http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/patches/
[08:03] <_ray> i dont like to pay for games
[08:03] <Aapzak> who said I payd?
[08:03] <Aapzak> paid
[08:03] <Riddell> aseigo: mostly the best thing is to get the source packages and look in debian/patches
[08:03] <aseigo> Riddell: thanks man =)
[08:03] <_ray> well its not free is it?
[08:03] <aseigo> _donofrio: you catching this? =)
[08:03] <Aapzak> correct, I consider it as a trail
[08:03] <Aapzak> trial
[08:04] <Aapzak> see if it works on my old hardware
[08:04] <_donofrio> I'm here
[08:04] <Riddell> aseigo: does your konqueror use a non-standard .rc file?  and do you find it looses that on session reload?
[08:04] <patrick__> can simply write deb ftp://ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/OpenOffice.org/devel/680/ ??
[08:04] <Aapzak> I might buy it if I like it
[08:04] <_ray> ok im out
[08:05] <jatos> hi
[08:05] <aseigo> Riddell: yes and no
[08:05] <aseigo> Riddell: oh, wait, is this kubuntu specific?
[08:05] <jatos> I am still having loads of fumn with samba
[08:07] <Riddell> aseigo: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109493
[08:07] <Riddell> no, don't think it's kubuntu specific
[08:07] <aseigo> ok.. then no i don't see that
[08:07] <aseigo> on my kubuntu boxes i don't tweak the konqi rc
[08:07] <aseigo> on my devel systems i certainly do
[08:08] <Riddell> aseigo: do you edit konqueror.rc or use a different filename?
[08:08] <aseigo> hum.. that's an interesting bug
[08:08] <aseigo> hm.. yeah, i edit konqueror.rc come to think of it
[08:09] <Riddell> so if you keep konqueror.rc the same and point your profile at a different .rc file you might be able to confirm or not that beastie :)
[08:10] <aseigo> Riddell: i'll keep a browser open to that bug so i remember to do so
[08:11] <_donofrio> Riddell - do you have patches for kdesu?
[08:11] <_donofrio> does anyone know where I can get guarddog for this distro?
[08:12] <jatos> get a version of the app for debian 3.2 donofrio
[08:12] <Riddell> _donofrio: guarddog is in universe
[08:12] <_donofrio> universe...humm...
[08:12] <Riddell> _donofrio: the kdesu patch is in kdelibs and kdebase packages and attached to the report on bugs.kde.org
[08:15] <apokryphos> aseigo: just wondering, any thoughts on Ettrich's blog post? Congrats, by the way; great stuff :).
[08:15] <aseigo> apokryphos: he and i agree on many things =)
[08:15] <_donofrio> what respoitory is universe?
[08:15] <aseigo> apokryphos: single click isn't one of them, but in general we've got a lot of the same directional desires for kde
[08:15] <aseigo> apokryphos: i certainly agree with him and konqueror's lack of direction atm...
[08:16] <apokryphos> I found the Konqueror buiness a little shaky, but it wasn't really suggested which way to actually go, so I'm still kinda open with my thoughts. 
[08:16] <aseigo> apokryphos: we need a coordinated team that takes konqi into three different, but mutually supportive, directions:
[08:16] <aseigo> web browser, file manager and document viewer
[08:16] <apokryphos> right
[08:17] <apokryphos> Do you think this will result in a complete demarcation of them, though?
[08:17] <aseigo> it's all about using kparts, xmlgui, etc. properly not randomly
[08:17] <aseigo> we've used it somewhat randomly and the fact that it's worked out as well as it has is a huge testiment to it
[08:17] <aseigo> but.. yeah.. it's time to do it less randomly ;)
[08:18] <apokryphos> aseigo: where would, i.e. FTP manager go? In which section?
[08:18] <aseigo> apokryphos: that's file management, isn't it?
[08:18] <apokryphos> I guess that's more a relevant question if an actual split happens
[08:19] <apokryphos> It is, but it would likely be a bit annoying if you had to follow an FTP link and your file manager fires up :|
[08:19] <_donofrio> where is this 'universe?'
[08:20] <apokryphos> _donofrio: it's a repository. Uncomment the line with universe in /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:20] <apokryphos> aseigo: why do you disagree with single-click behavior, by the way? Some points raised earlier for why it doesn't *currently* work, but that aside...
[08:21] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell _donofrio about repositories
[08:21] <_donofrio> no mc ):
[08:21] <apokryphos> more information there
[08:21] <aseigo> apokryphos: no, i'm in support of single click
[08:21] <aseigo> apokryphos: it's vastly superior in every way except icon selection
[08:21] <apokryphos> Yup, that was mentioned earlier. And what about things such as "Apply" as well as an "Ok"
[08:22] <apokryphos> that's a strong point that gnome seem to hold to these days; "instant activation". They're right, I think; that's how we associate the metaphor. 
[08:22] <apokryphos> Though, the whole idea of the target audience for KDE et al. is a lot bigger than my little mind; still fun to think about, though :P
[08:22] <edrex> how hard would it be to get rid of ok/apply?
[08:22] <_donofrio> so is universe require -src?
[08:22] <aseigo> there's a problem with instant activation
[08:22] <Almindor> a touchy question: why is ubuntu/kubuntu not among the ones in DCCA?
[08:22] <aseigo> you can't use it everywhere
[08:22] <edrex> one dialog at a time probably
[08:23] <aseigo> so it's the old problem:
[08:23] <Riddell> aseigo: DCCA?
[08:23] <Almindor> Debian Common Core Association
[08:23] <aseigo> we have a better way of doing something, but we can only do it some times.. other times we have to use a different method
[08:23] <aseigo> consistency or easy of use?
[08:23] <apokryphos> that's a good point
[08:23] <aseigo> personally, i fault on the side of consistency
[08:24] <aseigo> ok/apply isn't that horrendous
[08:24] <apokryphos> Another advantage is that it's good for Windows refugees
[08:24] <edrex> mac seems to only use apply for critical changes (network etc)
[08:25] <_donofrio> nice thanks folks
[08:25] <edrex> kde suffers primarily from clutter
[08:25] <edrex> that's the big "oops"
[08:25] <alex11>  the debian unstable in ubuntu is Breezy ?
[08:25] <Almindor> IMHO KDE is a bit unstable
[08:26] <apokryphos> I really don't think it's that cluttered :Z. Some apps are; as was mentioned before, too many toolbars; i.e. Quanta+
[08:26] <Riddell> alex11: breezy is a lot more unstable than unstable
[08:26] <edrex> so a push needs to be made towards simplicity
[08:26] <Almindor> I got 2-3 konqueror crashes a day, kicked got fixed in 3.4.1 and Klipper is hitty
[08:26] <Riddell> Almindor: they never asked me to join :)
[08:26] <Almindor> Riddell, it's your distro?
[08:26] <alex11> Riddell, but can i install only some package from it ?
[08:26] <Almindor> *kicker, shitty :D
[08:26] <aseigo> alex11: Riddell is the kubuntumeister =)
[08:26] <apokryphos> alex11: generally, no. They'll rely on other breezy stuff
[08:27] <apokryphos> Riddell: great interview by the way :)
[08:27] <alex11> eb http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted universe multiverse
[08:27] <alex11> i add this
[08:27] <alex11> so i can install both 
[08:27] <alex11> package from warty and breezy ?
[08:28] <apokryphos> Riddell: didn't see a mention of haggai and amu though, as developers. Are they staying with the project for breezy?
[08:28] <apokryphos> alex11: as I said, a lot of the time that can cause many problems, as the apps may rely on other breezy stuff. Bad idea; best is to just wait
[08:29] <apokryphos> Was really happy to find out that Canonical are more appropriately supporting Kubuntu; great stuff. :)
[08:31] <ztonzy> apokryphos: evening
[08:32] <apokryphos> ztonzy: hey, how's it going?
[08:32] <ztonzy> just relaxing, tiring week
[08:32] <_donofrio> so many linux's - still confused as to what is 'the best' one, for home/work/server/low harddrive size (knoppix, pclinuxos, mephix, ubuntu......going crazy - must pick one)
[08:32] <Riddell> apokryphos: amu has a new job and haggai is busy with credativ (and openoffice)
[08:33] <Riddell> _donofrio: kubuntu of course :)
[08:33] <apokryphos> ztonzy: cool :)
[08:33] <ztonzy> Riddell: how come konqueror crashes so often in Kubuntu, or is just some users that experience it ?
[08:33] <ztonzy> apokryphos: :)
[08:33] <patrick__> how was the packetmanagement tool for deb files called?
[08:33] <patrick__> dpkg?
[08:34] <apokryphos> Riddell: a lot more work for you, I'm sure. We all really appreciate the efforts =)
[08:34] <ztonzy> apokryphos: have gotten up at 04.30 or 05.00 each morning the 2 weeks behind me...
[08:34] <Riddell> ztonzy: I get very few crashes with konqueror
[08:34] <Riddell> apokryphos: welcome :)
[08:34] <ztonzy> Riddell: I did get itvery often
[08:34] <ztonzy> it*
[08:35] <Riddell> ztonzy: anything seem to trigger it?
[08:35] <apokryphos> There's quite a lot of users in here who seem to complain of Konqueror crashes. Mine basically never crashes, so it's weird.
[08:35] <ztonzy> Riddell: trying to recall, both web/file browsing...
[08:36] <ztonzy> sometimes when I tried to save files...(I think)
[08:36] <ztonzy> I thought 3.4.2 should have fixed it...but no
[08:36] <ztonzy> and also, flash seemed to slow down konqueror quite a lot
[08:37] <ztonzy> though it could have been that cpu set to plugins were set to lowest...but I dont know
[08:37] <apokryphos> ztonzy: you had the same problem when setting it to highest, though, remember?
[08:37] <ztonzy> apokryphos: yes...
[08:38] <ztonzy> I know, that's why I am uncertain
[08:38] <patrick__> how can i install tar.gz files?
[08:39] <ztonzy> Riddell: something about libthread....dunno exact what it was...and the info was *very little*
[08:41] <Riddell> ztonzy: in hoary?
[08:41] <ztonzy> Riddell: yes
[08:41] <Riddell> hmm
[08:42] <_donofrio> does kubuntu upgrade though time....I looked at the OOo script and it felt like we were backt o complieing again??
[08:42] <c0rrupt_> does kubuntu come with drivers for xfree85 i810
[08:43] <c0rrupt_> 86*
[08:43] <c0rrupt_> i have an intel extreme on board 82845 brookdale-G vid card
[08:44] <Riddell> _donofrio: releases are every 6 months, you can use a development release (but not recommended just now)
[08:45] <c0rrupt_> lil help
[08:49] <_donofrio> do we have alow of plugin's for firefox?
[08:53] <_donofrio> what is the hardware detect script called
[08:54] <_donofrio> in pclos its hwdetect
[08:59] <_donofrio> no realplayer?
[08:59] <_donofrio> even in universe?
[09:07] <Soyburg> hello.  I am here on knoppix, becaus I am getting an error on a forced file system check on boot.  the error is bad or dual block in use.  any ideas what I could do to disable that file system check or what I could do to boot into kubuntu again?
[09:08] <Soyburg> I had a suse 9.1 disk and did a ext3 fsck which said the file system was fine.
[09:09] <Soyburg> prior to the error, I had to switch of the computer, because it was frozen and the keyboard did not respond anymore.
[09:10] <gsuveg> re
[09:11] <Soyburg> any kind of suggestion is highly appreciated.  especially suggestions as "go to #ubuntu or #debian because this is not kubuntu specific" or even "your hard disk's wasted man".
[09:13] <marsh> hi
[09:13] <aseigo> Soyburg: hum... and you checked all the filesystems using the suse disk?
[09:13] <_donofrio> no realplayer, no shockwave player? whatabout an afs-client?
[09:14] <Soyburg> well, here's the thing.  it offered me to check hde1 and hdf1, but I am almost sure that I have kubuntu on my primary harddisk.
[09:14] <marsh> I'm having a mission trying to write a one line script using 'for a in *', the variable 'a' is ending up with a start in instead of the dir contents... anyone know why?
[09:14] <Soyburg> which would be something like hdc1?
[09:14] <Soyburg> don't tell me I just checked my cd drive?
[09:21] <Soyburg> When my root partition shows up in knoppix as hda1, is it the same in kubunut?
[09:21] <PieD> Soyburg: yes
[09:21] <Soyburg> ooops.  kubuntu I meant.
[09:21] <Soyburg> thanks.
[09:22] <Soyburg> Alright thanks aseigo and PieD, I'll have to reboot then.
[09:23] <_donofrio> how do I play macromedia content in this distro?
[09:23] <PieD> flash files ?
[09:23] <aseigo> you have to download the plugin your self
[09:23] <PieD> or some other macromedia formats ?
[09:23] <_donofrio> I've got the plugin from synaptic but  it doesn't seem to be working?
[09:24] <PieD> perhaps it isn't installed in a folder known by konqueror
[09:24] <_donofrio> but I unsed synpatic? (hate to sound like a noob....)
[09:25] <PieD> _donofrio: kubuntu isn't perfect
[09:25] <_donofrio> I know...
[09:26] <_donofrio> its cool....just wanna get shuttle video and homestarrunner clips
[09:26] <PieD> can you give me the folder where synaptic installed the files ?
[09:26] <PieD> (it's in the properties of the package)
[09:26] <_donofrio> a moment
[09:26] <PieD> what did you install ?
[09:26] <equex> can anyone tell me why my keyboard is skipping keys and locking up and the scroll lock key is flashing ? its getting annoying :/
[09:26] <PieD> flashplayer-mozilla ?
[09:27] <PieD> flashplayer-nonfree ?
[09:27] <PieD> equex: it looks like my previous keyboard, when it burned
[09:27] <_donofrio> yes
[09:27] <equex> haha
[09:27] <PieD> _donofrio: you installed both ?
[09:28] <_donofrio> no do not see the nonfree
[09:28] <PieD> _donofrio: no problem
[09:28] <PieD> flashplayer-mozilla must be enough
[09:28] <PieD> please wait while I download and install it
[09:28] <PieD> (I'm against flash, so I don't use it)
[09:29] <nocloud> does anybody know if kubuntu supports the intel 915 chipset?
[09:30] <crimsun> it sure does.
[09:30] <nocloud> how about intel 2200B/G wireless?
[09:30] <PieD> intel 2200 ? hmm
[09:31] <nocloud> i'm thinking about installed kubuntu on a laptop....
[09:31] <PieD> it is supported
[09:31] <PieD> i915 chipset : video chipset ?
[09:31] <nocloud> no, just northbridge
[09:31] <nocloud> i have x300 video chipset
[09:31] <PieD> _donofrio: I suppose you're using konqueror ?
[09:32] <PieD> in konqueror :
[09:32] <PieD> configuration > configure konqueror
[09:32] <_donofrio> yep
[09:32] <nocloud> does kubuntu work with the radeon x300?
[09:32] <PieD> tab "external plugins" (not sure for the name... I'm using it in french)
[09:33] <PieD> check the folder list : is /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ listed ?
[09:34] <_donofrio> ok one moment
[09:34] <PieD> nocloud: it'll work, but for the 3D support I don't know
[09:34] <_donofrio> yes
[09:35] <PieD> yes it'll work with 3D (perhaps you'll have to manually install additionnal drivers, I don't know)
[09:36] <nocloud> okay, but with the x300, i can at least get it running okay right?
[09:36] <nocloud> in 2d
[09:36] <PieD> sure 2d will work
[09:37] <nocloud> allright, now, this laptop screen has a native resolution of 1680x1050, will that work in kubuntu?
[09:38] <PieD> yes, it will
[09:38] <PieD> but I don't know if it'll work at the installation of the distro
[09:39] <PieD> if that resolution isn't proposed by the installer, you'll have to edit one configuration file (nothing hard, and we'll be here to help you)
[09:39] <nocloud> allright :)
[09:39] <nocloud> is the kubuntu setup the same as the ubuntu setup?
[09:41] <PieD> totally the same
[09:41] <PieD> only one difference : the installed packages
[09:41] <PieD> ubuntu will install gtk and gnome applications (+ gnome desktop off course)
[09:41] <PieD> while kubuntu will install Qt and KDE applications (+ KDE)
[09:42] <nocloud> so the only difference is the desktop applications?
[09:43] <_donofrio> Quicktime?
[09:43] <PieD> _donofrio: you want to view quicktime videos in webpages ?
[09:43] <PieD> nocloud: yes
[09:44] <nocloud> is there any reason i should use one over the other (ubuntu and kubuntu)
[09:44] <PieD> nocloud: that's your choice
[09:44] <PieD> if you prefer a fully featured desktop with integration and great applications, choose KDE
[09:44] <PieD> if you prefer something where all settings are hidden in an obscure registry-like tool, choose Gnome
[09:45] <PieD> (I forgot to mention : I love KDE while I don't really like Gnome)
[09:45] <_donofrio> yes I can view them just no sound and a qtmlclient.dll error? (with bling sound)
[09:45] <Ju1ce> I hate Gnome. Get KDE.
[09:46] <PieD> _donofrio: I never tried videos from within a webpage
[09:46] <nocloud> somebody told me  "kubuntu is relitively new and not main stream with ubuntu"
[09:46] <PieD> not main stream ?
[09:46] <nocloud> does that mean it is less stable or something?
[09:46] <PieD> what does that mean ?
[09:46] <PieD> it's not less stable
[09:46] <_donofrio> I've got kde (but in synpatic I still get frontend error complaining about no gnome)
[09:46] <PieD> it's new
[09:46] <_donofrio> PieD - try apple.com/quicktime they have a huge qt trailers page
[09:47] <PieD> _donofrio: I don't have such codecs installed
[09:47] <PieD> and that's a serious download !
[09:47] <PieD> I think somebody else can help you
[09:47] <nocloud> is there an enterprise edition of kubuntu?
[09:50] <nocloud> ?
[09:50] <crimsun> what would an "enterprise" edition entail?
[09:51] <nocloud> well, i saw something on the ubuntu site about enterprise edition....
[09:51] <nocloud> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/releases/document_view 
[09:51] <nocloud> so i was wondering if there was a kubuntu equivalent
[09:52] <crimsun> not that I know of.
[09:52] <crimsun> Kubuntu is community-sourced and supported.
[09:52] <nocloud> allright
[09:53] <zxc> lol
[09:53] <crimsun> I suppose if he's willing to front the $, allowances could be made...
[09:54] <crimsun> I'm going to take a wild stab that as a university student, he's not going to do that.
[09:55] <gdh> crimsun: No, but if there was an ent edition, then he could warez it :)
[09:56] <crimsun> yeah, I imagine that would entail ftping into CC.archive.ubuntu.com and grabbing the enterprise iso :)
[09:56] <crimsun> well, kubuntu.org or ubuntu.com's mirrors.
[09:57] <nocloud> will kubuntu work well on a laptop?
[09:58] <nocloud> like will it be able to take advantage of the power saving features of the pentiun-M cpu?
[09:58] <Bubbling_Zombie> nocloud , it did on mine
[09:58] <Ju1ce> yes it'll.
[09:58] <Bubbling_Zombie> ah, no experience with pentium processors, sorry
[09:58] <charlie> how do i get kdevelop?
[09:59] <nocloud> Ju1ce, were you able to get speedstep working on your laptop?
[09:59] <charlie> with kynabtic?
[09:59] <Ju1ce> charlie: sudo apt-get install kdevelop3
[09:59] <Bubbling_Zombie> search for it charlie ? or perhaps enable the universe rep?
[10:00] <charlie> i cant find develop in kynaptic
[10:00] <Ju1ce> add repos.
[10:00] <charlie> how?
[10:01] <Ju1ce> edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:01] <Ju1ce> ubuntuguide.org has more info
[10:01] <Ju1ce> I've choosen KUbuntu (version 5.04) because it does most of the dirty work (speedstep, ease of use, latest kde, laptop mode). It has detected and configured automatically the lcd screen resolution.
[10:01] <Ju1ce> http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:m4iQ7XM8QbMJ:perso.wanadoo.es/jtur/BenqJB7000/BenqJB7000_linux.html+Pentium+m+speedstep+kubuntu&hl=fi&client=firefox-a
[10:02] <Ju1ce> according to that it will.
[10:05] <_donofrio> what is the hardware detection script called...I wanna ghost my install
[10:06] <nocloud> what linux kernel version does kubuntu 5.04 use?
[10:06] <crimsun> 2.6.10
[10:09] <nocloud> anybody know a good site with information about customizing the look of KDE?
[10:10] <spiral> nocloud: kde-look.org ? :-)
[10:10] <nocloud> exactly what i was looking for, thanks :)
[10:12] <_donofrio> does the ppc version have MOL?
[10:13] <nocloud> anyone know of a good linux irc client?
[10:13] <_donofrio> Konversation rocks
[10:13] <Ju1ce> irssi or xchat
[10:14] <Ju1ce> and konversation isn't bad either.
[10:16] <ztonzy> apokryphos: hey, you awake ?
[10:17] <nocloud> what debian version corresponds with kubuntu 5.04?
[10:17] <crimsun> none
[10:17] <crimsun> Kubuntu 5.04 corresponds with Ubuntu 5.04
[10:18] <crimsun> that places them squarely between Sarge and Etch/Sid
[10:18] <nocloud> isn't ubuntu built on debian though?
[10:18] <Soyburg> thanks for your thoughts aseigo.  I went back to experiment with the SuSE CD and found that the expert mode didn't find the dual block on the ext3 file system, but the I'm-stupid mode did. It couldn't fix it however but listed the two files in question.  which I deleted with knoppix.  So I am online with kubuntu once more.  Thanks for your thoughts.
[10:19] <nocloud> anyways, anybody know of good icq/aim/msn/yahoo clients for kubuntu?
[10:19] <_donofrio> kopete rocks
[10:19] <Ju1ce> gaim?
[10:19] <Soyburg> yeah, that's what I've heard.  I don't do instant messaging though.
[10:20] <hater2sleep> i hate kopete
[10:20] <hater2sleep> gaim2win
[10:21] <nocloud> allright folks, off to install kubuntu, wish me luck!
[10:21] <Soyburg> good luck nocloud :)
[10:21] <PieD> good installation
[10:21] <PieD> (no luck needed, just a bit of time)
[10:21] <Soyburg> (and the connection data for your ISP)
[10:22] <hater2win> (and... uhh... something else)
[10:22] <jatos1> hi
[10:22] <Soyburg> (like a beer and a good cd?)
[10:22] <hater2win> (lol)
[10:22] <jatos1> anyone here got experience with swat, the samba config thingy
[10:22] <Soyburg> (why are we whispering anyway?)
[10:23] <hater2win> (i dont know, because we want to subtly add things to the list of things needed to add to kubuntu?)
[10:23] <Soyburg> (maybe).
[10:23] <hater2win> (maybe...)
[10:23] <PieD> hater2win: gaim sux
[10:23] <hater2win> gaim2win
[10:23] <PieD> because it's using gtk
[10:23] <Soyburg> Does anyone know where I can find the image with the lightning, that kdm displays when I want to reboot my machine?
[10:24] <jatos1> tell me about PieD...
[10:24] <PieD> and that's why kopete rox : it's using Qt :)
[10:24] <hater2win> lol
[10:24] <jatos1>  I only use it because I can't get kopete to work
[10:24] <hater2win> the only reason im using kopete right now, is because im still n00b and can't figure out how to install the newest version of game
[10:24] <PieD> kopete works far better than gaim for me
[10:25] <PieD> perhaps because I don't use horrible networks like msn or aim
[10:25] <jatos1> when I use kopete it refuses my pw for some reason I cannot fathom
[10:25] <Soyburg> Alright.  I found the image.  Didn't find it before.  No worries.
[10:26] <hater2win> sorry Soyburg  had no idea what you were talking about (new to kubu)
[10:26] <PieD> jatos1: did you update your kubuntu recently ?
[10:26] <PieD> msn broke something about that
[10:26] <jatos1> I would love to give the finger the gaim, especially after a conversation I had in its irc roo,
[10:26] <jatos1> no pied
[10:26] <PieD> and there is an update to fix it
[10:26] <PieD> you must use an UPTODATE system
[10:26] <_donofrio> smp <=> kubuntu ??
[10:26] <jatos1> whats the command to  get the update?
[10:27] <PieD> even if it is linux, it must be uptodate !
[10:27] <PieD> jatos1: you can either use kynaptic
[10:27] <PieD> either do :
[10:27] <PieD> sudo apt-get update
[10:27] <PieD> and then
[10:27] <PieD> sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:27] <jatos1> ah
[10:27] <jatos1> let me just switch SSH windows...
[10:28] <jatos1> upgrade started
[10:29] <hater2win> so, can i use that to update my gaim pied (though you hate gaim)?
[10:29] <jatos1> I think I am about to get a mix between debian and sarge and kubuntu on my pc
[10:29] <PieD> a new version of gaim won't be available in the official kubuntu upgrade
[10:29] <PieD> but I think you'll find one in the backports
[10:30] <Soyburg> what exactly is a backport?
[10:30] <hater2win> yes, what is a backport
[10:30] <PieD> that's simple:
[10:30] <jatos1> btw, hater2win I am on windows 98 atm...
[10:30] <Soyburg> gosh I bet it's in the FAQs
[10:30] <PieD> ubuntu and kubuntu are following a release system
[10:31] <jatos1> ssh'd into my kubuntu box
[10:31] <PieD> unlike some others distributions like gentoo which are branch based and where new releases of softwares appears in the updates
[10:31] <Soyburg> ok, I'm with you so far.
[10:31] <PieD> one ubuntu releases has frozen software version
[10:32] <PieD> a backport is bringing a new release of a software to an ubuntu release from the ubuntu development release
[10:32] <Soyburg> unless there are vulnerabilities discovered, I take it?
[10:32] <lippel> hmm, is there an (preferably elegant) way to add a "custom" entry to kdm? i want to use my own .xsession once in a while
[10:32] <jatos1> how do I install a package?
[10:32] <PieD> even if vulenaribilities are discovered
[10:32] <Soyburg> oh indeed?
[10:32] <jatos1> *uninstall
[10:32] <PieD> if a vulnerability is discovered, they create a patch
[10:32] <PieD> apply it to their version
[10:32] <Soyburg> alright.
[10:32] <Soyburg> got it.
[10:32] <PieD> but don't upgrade
[10:33] <Soyburg> sounds reasonable.
[10:33] <PieD> that's why ubuntu is "still" using firefox ""1.0.2""
[10:33] <PieD> while it is as secure and uptodate as firefox 1.0.6
[10:34] <Soyburg> so how can one (in this cas me) get his dirty hands on backports?
[10:34] <Soyburg> case even
[10:34] <PieD> do you know what apt sources are ?
[10:34] <Soyburg> yes, I added some to me sources list.
[10:35] <PieD> the backports are only some sources to add
[10:35] <Ju1ce> repos have ancient software, that's why I compile & install most of the program from sources
[10:35] <PieD> here are the sources I'm using for the backports :
[10:35] <Soyburg> so I would only have to find the right URLs to have a magic wonderland full of new versions before my feet? 
[10:35] <PieD> deb http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[10:35] <PieD> deb http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports/ hoary-backports-staging main universe multiverse restricted
[10:35] <PieD> deb http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[10:35] <PieD> deb http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports/ hoary-extras-staging main universe multiverse restricted
[10:36] <PieD> Ju1ce: then I suggest you to switch to breezy
[10:36] <PieD> and help people stabilizing it
[10:36] <PieD> (I forgot how tiring it was to help people :)
[10:36] <hater2win> lol
[10:36] <jatos1> I don't about everyone else but I have added the debian sarge repos to my sources.list
[10:37] <hater2win> i still dont get wtf respositories are
[10:37] <PieD> jatos1: then you've got a mix of ubuntu + debian
[10:37] <Soyburg> thanks a lot PieD, your effort (however tiring) is very much appreciated.  Thank you very much.
[10:37] <jatos1> repositories are servers where applications are stored
[10:37] <jatos1> lol, I have pied
[10:37] <PieD> Soyburg: I'm doing that because I don't want people to do what I did when I didn't have internet...
[10:38] <Soyburg> when was that?  or rather how long ago was that?
[10:38] <Ju1ce> bang your head against the wall?
[10:38] <PieD> 5 years ago
[10:38] <Soyburg> right.
[10:38] <_shawn> how buggy is breezy right now? I'm thinking of making the jump.
[10:38] <Soyburg> what did you do then?
[10:38] <PieD> I exploded about 4 mandrake installations :p
[10:38] <PieD> _shawn: I don't know
[10:38] <Soyburg> lol
[10:38] <hater2win> lol
[10:38] <PieD> on #ubuntu, the topic says it's still broken
[10:39] <jatos1> will the entry for debian sarge in sources.list affect my upgrade when it comes to kubuntu-desktop?
[10:39] <Soyburg> literally?  as in using explosives?
[10:39] <_shawn> anyone using breezy?
[10:39] <PieD> Soyburg: no explosives :)
[10:39] <Soyburg> ahhh... ok :)))
[10:39] <PieD> but I broke this really quickly
[10:39] <PieD> I discovered that :
[10:39] <PieD> 1- root isn't to be used always
[10:39] <hater2win> so, i know that i have to add repositories using synaptic. but how do i know where to get repositories
[10:40] <PieD> 2- when you write a program, you can delete code to understand what it was doing
[10:40] <PieD> when you try to understand a system, don't delete files to understand what they're doing
[10:40] <hater2win> lol
[10:40] <jatos1> just stick the default hater2win unless you specifically wnat to add a repos
[10:40] <Soyburg> hater2win: the unofficial ubuntu guide has some. and then there are the backport links provided (so kindly) by PieD 
[10:41] <PieD> my sources are being quite big because of the KDE and Koffice releases
[10:41] <jatos1> in which case the site for the repos will probably having instructions for adding the repos
[10:41] <Soyburg> PieD: I had some success in getting wine to work that way :)))
[10:41] <PieD> I've got KDE 3.4.2, KOffice 1.4.1...
[10:42] <hater2win> so, the default repositories contain updates for what type of programs?
[10:42] <Soyburg> for the ones which came on the cd I think.
[10:42] <hater2win> oh i see
[10:42] <PieD> Soyburg: the official packages only
[10:42] <PieD> the packages on the CD + the packages in the main repository
[10:43] <hater2win> so is it ok for me to open up synaptic and check all the boxes?
[10:43] <PieD> the universe, restricted and multiverse repositories are different
[10:43] <Soyburg> is "the official packages" a superset of the packages on the cd?
[10:43] <PieD> hater2win: yes !
[10:43] <Soyburg> ah ok.
[10:43] <jatos1> if you want more apps to be availabe you can either add the universe repos like most people do or you can do what I do and add the debian sarge repository
[10:43] <hater2win> i see i see
[10:44] <hater2win> now, is anybody willing to explain what universe, restricted, and multiverse repositories are
[10:44] <jatos1> I doubt whether my strategy of adding debian sarge repos is recommended? What would you say piued
[10:44] <jatos1> places where there are extra programs to download and install
[10:45] <jatos1> less support fir universe
[10:45] <_shawn> to change to breezy do I just cange hoary to breezy in my sources.list?
[10:45] <jatos1> restricted is  where there are less apps btw
[10:45] <_shawn> *change
[10:46] <Soyburg> hater2win: http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#extrarepositories
[10:46] <hater2win> ty soy
[10:47] <jatos1> does anyone know how to minimise Putty when its in full screen?
[10:48] <hater2win> window key + D? =o
[10:48] <hater2win> =p*
[10:48] <_shawn> holy I went to upgrade to breezy 475 packages will be kept back
[10:49] <hater2win> whats the difference between hoary, warty, and breezy?
[10:49] <jatos1> woo
[10:49] <jatos1> wartys oldest, hoary slightly newer and breezy is newest
[10:49] <Soyburg> hater2win: they are different releases of kubuntu. hoary is the current one.  warty was current half a year ago and breezy is not yet current.
[10:49] <hater2win> what are they, like release updates?
[10:49] <_shawn> if I do this upgrade will my computer explode? lol
[10:50] <jatos1> yep _shawn 
[10:50] <_shawn> damn
[10:50] <hater2win> kind of like service packs? lol
[10:50] <jatos1> and the rooms its in will become very black...
[10:50] <hater2win> except less useless
[10:51] <PieD> jatos1: you're describing what is IN my previous keyboard
[10:51] <Soyburg> hater2win: no, rather like new releases of the distribution.  like win95, win2000, winxp.  just in much shorter release cycles.
[10:51] <jatos1> _shawn: its fun though seeing your computer blow up
[10:51] <PieD> it's burned
[10:51] <_shawn> but 475 that's alot of packages kept back.... that wotties me
[10:51] <jatos1> kk PieD 
[10:51] <_shawn> *worries
[10:51] <jatos1> lol
[10:51] <Soyburg> _shawn: maybe they're still good?
[10:51] <hater2win> Soyburg: oh ok
[10:52] <jatos1> lol _shawn, don't worry, all that will really happen is your get loads more problems
[10:52] <_shawn> ya I know
[10:52] <jatos1> or probably will get loads more probs
[10:52] <PieD> simple advice : don't clean a keyboard too much
[10:52] <PieD> even if you don't use water nor any other product
[10:52] <PieD> you can damage it
[10:52] <Soyburg> _shawn: you do know how to make backups, don't you?
[10:52] <_shawn> I wan't really serious I am a comp nerd going to computer college in sept :)
[10:52] <_shawn> no
[10:52] <PieD> (and damage your motherboard when plugging the keyboard in)
[10:52] <_shawn> how?
[10:52] <_shawn> *wasn't
[10:53] <Soyburg> yeah, plugging the keyboard is about the worst thing that can happen to a running system...
[10:53] <_shawn> Soyburg: how?
[10:53] <Soyburg> you just burn everything that is important to you to a cd or dvd.  that's what I do at least.
[10:54] <_shawn> oh blah foget that
[10:54] <Soyburg> :)
[10:54] <_shawn> the only important thing on here at the moment is music
[10:54] <Soyburg> burn it then :)
[10:54] <Soyburg> or get another harddisk and put it there.
[10:54] <_shawn> nah
[10:54] <jatos1> what if my ubuntu system is a server put into a datacenter and I am miles away from the dc, then backup gets more tricky
[10:55] <_shawn> ya I want another harddisk eventually but I'm poor
[10:55] <Soyburg> jatos1: second harddisk I'd say.
[10:55] <Soyburg> or at least a second partition.
[10:55] <jatos1> yeah, thats what the hosts do
[10:56] <jatos1> my backup method is using an ssh script to transfer the data to an offsie server
[10:56] <Soyburg> well, it has been a pleasure chatting with you but I have to go.  thanks PieD for your enlightening explanations and suggestions.  good night all.
[10:56] <jatos1> cu Soyburg 
[10:56] <PieD> see you later
[10:57] <jatos1> too late PieD, he already gone...
[10:57] <nocloud> okay, i got a problem...during the installation, after the first screen, i got this: http://www.nocloud.hopto.org/pics/kubuntu.JPG 
[10:57] <PieD> jatos1: ho
[10:57] <PieD> [22:57:10]  <PieD> see you later
[10:57] <PieD> [22:57:12]  <-- Soyburg a quitt le canal. ("Bye")
[10:57] <jatos1> oh...
[10:57] <jatos1> probably a ping time thin
[10:58] <jatos1> whats your ip Pied, I want to ping you to see the timing
[10:58] <PieD> my network won't answer you
[10:59] <jatos1> oh
[10:59] <jatos1> wb _shawn 
[10:59] <jatos1> has anyone here even been on #gaim
[10:59] <nocloud> can anybody help me fix my problem?
[10:59] <_shawn> lol weird things happen my computer decided to freeze and there was a shitload of harddisk activity
 okay, i got a problem...during the installation, after the first screen, i got this: http://www.nocloud.hopto.org/pics/kubuntu.JPG 
[11:00] <jatos1> oh, thats what most of us call a crash _shawn 
[11:00] <_shawn> yeah
[11:00] <hater2win> i think its cuz you are using a dell =/
[11:00] <_shawn> I used to use slackware so I wasn't firmiliar
[11:00] <_shawn> and I'm not using a dell 
[11:00] <jatos1> ah
[11:00] <jatos1> slackware sucks
[11:00] <hater2win> lol, was just kidding
[11:00] <jatos1> just most versions of win, though some win versions are good
[11:01] <hater2win> was talking to nocloud
[11:01] <jatos1> ah
[11:01] <nocloud> does dell have anything to do with it?
[11:01] <hater2win> no
[11:01] <_shawn> no
[11:01] <hater2win> i was just messing
[11:01] <jatos1> nope nocloud 
[11:01] <nocloud> it really wierd why the first screen would show up but not the second screen
[11:02] <nocloud> system has wsxga screen and radeon x300 graphics if that effects anything....
[11:02] <luckyscrewdriver> what is difference between kubuntu files from version 0ubuntu0hoary1 and 0ubuntu0hoary2 in synaptic? I see identical version # for packages but they are listed as upgradeable because of the hoary2 vs. hoary1
[11:02] <jatos1> anyone here got their own website?
[11:02] <Ju1ce> I do.
[11:03] <hater2win> <-- has his own website
[11:03] <hater2win> http://www.hateralligator.com
[11:03] <jatos1> are, I have a few
[11:03] <Ju1ce> I have one, but you wouldn't understand it.
[11:03] <Ju1ce> It's completely in Finnish.
[11:03] <hater2win> i have 3 technically
[11:03] <jatos1> hatealligatior looks pretty cool hater2win
[11:04] <hater2win> working on a 4th
[11:04] <hater2win> ty jatos1 
[11:04] <hater2win> i havent updated in forever
[11:04] <hater2win> lol
[11:04] <hater2win> college took my time away from web design
[11:04] <_shawn> wow your finnish do you listen to nightwish... my favorite band :)
[11:04] <hater2win> lol
[11:04] <Ju1ce> but I make websites for companies
[11:04] <nocloud> anybody got any information about my problem....
[11:04] <jatos1> `hater2in, do you need any hosting?
[11:04] <hater2win> actually, i could use a good host pretty soon
[11:05] <jatos1> I just happen to have loads of readily available webspace
[11:05] <hater2win> lol, nice
[11:05] <hater2win> yeah im running out of months on my hosting
[11:05] <jatos1> I have a 5gig rseller, and guess how much I am paying for it?
[11:05] <hater2win> ??
[11:05] <jatos1> 0...
[11:05] <hater2win> how much is that in USD?
[11:05] <hater2win> LOL kidding
[11:05] <jatos1> did something for the host
[11:05] <jatos1> $0
[11:06] <hater2win> was kidding, lol
[11:06] <hater2win> what did you do?
[11:06] <Ju1ce> hateralligator says good afternoon and it's 0:08 here at night :P
[11:06] <jatos1> lol...
[11:06] <jatos1> forum integration
[11:06] <jatos1> lol @ Ju1ce 
[11:06] <jatos1> www.thefbsite.com
[11:06] <jatos1> a site I am working on
[11:07] <hater2win> nice
[11:07] <hater2win> let me know if you need help
[11:07] <hater2win> i do lots of internet programming
[11:07] <jatos1> will do, can you do PHP
[11:07] <hater2win> yeah
[11:07] <a514> Using the Live C,D What do i use at boot for cli?
[11:07] <hater2win> and mysql
[11:07] <jatos1> nice
[11:07] <Ju1ce> php and mysql is an unbeatable combination
[11:07] <jatos1> want my email hater2win, and my MSN if you use MSN
[11:08] <hater2win> i use aim, heh, but email would be nice
[11:08] <jatos1> jatos.software@gmail.com aol-screename: jsoftj
[11:08] <TestMAD> anyone want a gmail invite..i have 50 and dont want them.
[11:08] <jatos1> so do I testMAD
[11:09] <a514> Hi there, what option do i use for a CLI at the boot prompt? live-cli?
[11:09] <_shawn> I think everyone has 50 gmail invites at this point
[11:09] <TestMAD> i figure every one has an invite now..
[11:09] <TestMAD> yea
[11:09] <Ju1ce> I wish I had someone to give my invites away.
[11:09] <jatos1> lol
[11:09] <Ju1ce> And my Ubuntu CD:s :)
[11:09] <hater2win> lol
[11:09] <hater2win> yeah
[11:10] <jatos1> I just discovered a disadvantage of starting a gui from SSH
[11:10] <hater2win> lol, whats that
[11:10] <jatos1> when you close the ssh session, the gui closes too
[11:10] <hater2win> ooo
[11:11] <hater2win> now i know
[11:11] <a514> I have a problem, the Live CD stalls at KDM & says - id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes - no more processes left in this runlevel
[11:12] <jatos1> hater2win, whats your aim screename?
[11:12] <hater2win> i added you already jatos1, my SN is: Que Slow Head
[11:12] <hater2win> email is roberto.villarreal@gmail.com
[11:12] <hater2win> lol
[11:13] <a514> Can someone help me out, with a option to load at the boot prompt to just start a console instead of KDM?
[11:13] <jatos1> kk
[11:14] <jatos1> are another user of best webmail system in the world
[11:14] <hater2win> indeed indeed
[11:14] <hater2win> I <3 Google...
[11:14] <hater2win> google2win
[11:14] <jatos1> got you hater2win...
[11:15] <a514> Have you tried the CustomizeGoogle Firefox extension?
[11:15] <hater2win> I removed it because it causes problems with google.com/ig
[11:16] <a514> Are you guys using KU?
[11:16] <_shawn> oh i have a question I have to reinstall windows soon if I do so will it overwrite grub?
[11:17] <_shawn> I have a dual boot right now
[11:17] <a514> _shawn you can try http://dban.sf.net & erase everything.
[11:17] <_shawn> erase everything? I want to keep linux on here too
[11:18] <Ju1ce> why, oh why this stupid printer won't work with ubuntu >:|
[11:18] <a514> ok, have you tried the Live CD?
[11:19] <_shawn> so I have win on one partition and kubuntu on the other if I reinstall win on it's partition will it overwrite grub?
[11:19] <jatos1> _shawn, doubt it
[11:19] <_shawn> ok
[11:19] <a514> Julce? Did cupsd load?
[11:19] <_shawn> thanks
[11:19] <jatos1> whatever happens grub should be easy to reinstall
[11:20] <_shawn> ok
[11:20] <a514> _Shawn if grub is in your mbr then i'd suggest you save whatever you want to a CD first.
[11:20] <_shawn> ya it is in mbr
[11:21] <_shawn> I just really don't want to have to reinstall kubuntu
[11:21] <_shawn> it's a pain reinstalling all the stuff I need
[11:22] <a514> I read that Win should be installed on it's own HardDisk to control the MBR. Then install Linux.
[11:22] <_shawn> wel I only have on harddisk
[11:22] <a514> _shawn Have you tried the Live CD? You just need memory.
[11:23] <_shawn> *one
[11:23] <_shawn> nah i don't like the idea of a live cd
[11:23] <a514> I recommend a used 1gig hd for Win
[11:24] <_shawn> ya maybe I'll get one eventually
[11:24] <a514> _shawn It works tho :)
[11:25] <a514> _shawn so what do you like about KU?
[11:27] <hater2win> what is the command for killing a process?
[11:28] <Ju1ce> kill pid or killall process
[11:28] <Ju1ce> ie. killall amarokapp
[11:29] <hater2win> ty
[11:29] <hater2win> dunno why but synaptic wouldnt respond
[11:29] <_shawn> ummm not much really :)
[11:30] <Ju1ce> nah, i give up
[11:30] <Ju1ce> this printer won't work with cups.
[11:30] <luckyscrewdriver> what is difference between kubuntu files from version 0ubuntu0hoary1 and 0ubuntu0hoary2 in synaptic? I see identical version # for packages but they are listed as upgradeable because of the hoary2 vs. hoary1
[11:31] <_shawn> I donno if I perfer it or slack I'm yest to decide, KU configures lots of stuff for you but overall I'd say slack feels more comfortable and pisse me off less
[11:31] <_shawn> *yet
[11:31] <_shawn> *pisses
[11:33] <hater2win> i couldnt even get slax installed right
[11:33] <hater2win> lol
[11:33] <_shawn> ah well
[11:33] <hater2win> how do i mount a hard drive?
[11:33] <hater2win> ntfs
[11:34] <Ju1ce> editt fstab
[11:34] <Ju1ce> ubuntuguide has more info
[11:34] <Ju1ce> http://ubuntuguide.org
[11:35] <luckyscrewdriver> no answer to my question, I will rub my eyes now until they tear up
[11:35] <luckyscrewdriver> then I will cry a river
[11:36] <luckyscrewdriver> nobody here experience the differences with 0ubuntu0hoary1 and 0ubuntu0hoary2???
[11:36] <hater2win> ty Ju1ce 
[11:36] <_shawn> hater2win: somthing like this            /dev/hda1  /mnt/ntfs  ntfs  defaults  0 0    
[11:37] <luckyscrewdriver> why do you want ntfs on your hard drive?
[11:37] <hater2win> i have 2 other NTFS drive
[11:37] <hater2win> with software, and music n shit on em
[11:37] <hater2win> and i want to mount them
[11:37] <hater2win> so i can listen to my music
[11:38] <frank_> luckyscrewdriver: I didn't see any difference
[11:38] <luckyscrewdriver> hater2win, if you were to create a fat32 partition you may easily share between your ntfs and linux partitions
[11:38] <Jet2k5> Hello guys I'm running Ubuntu with KDE, and for some reason my printer has stopped working.  I've reconfigured it / restarted the cups service and still nothing, anybody might tell me if I missed something?
[11:38] <Ju1ce> hater2win: http://ubuntuguide.org/#automountntfs
[11:39] <Ju1ce> Jet2k5: your printer?
[11:39] <Jet2k5> Hp PCS 1315
[11:39] <Jet2k5> usually uses what ever the 1310 has
[11:39] <luckyscrewdriver> frank_, that is odd, Synaptic is telling me 0ubuntu0hoary2 files are newer (but same version!) as the 0ubuntu0hoary1 files. Any idea why this is?
[11:39] <Ju1ce> model?
[11:39] <Jet2k5> Ju1ce: umm 1310?
[11:39] <Jet2k5> That's as far as I know
[11:40] <Jet2k5> HP PCS 1315 ?
[11:40] <Ju1ce> I haven't got my hp deskjet to work at all :/
[11:40] <frank_> luckyscrewdriver: I know there is a version change but I don't know what actually has changed
[11:40] <Ju1ce> can't connect to cups server
[11:40] <luckyscrewdriver> frank_, thank you so to update these would be good yes?
[11:40] <Jet2k5> mine keps onl ike shutting down
[11:40] <Jet2k5> it shows that it's working but then it stops
[11:41] <frank_> luckyscrewdriver: well everything still works here so I guess the update is ok yes
[11:41] <Ju1ce> Jet2k5: have you installed hplip/hpijs?
[11:42] <Jet2k5> no
[11:42] <Jet2k5> it worked perfect before I isntalled KDE and removed GNOME
[11:42] <Jet2k5> but I know better than to blame KDE
[11:42] <Jet2k5> has to be something else, is it in the repos?
[11:43] <luckyscrewdriver> frank_, my friend, I would like to thank you for your helpfulness
[11:48] <hater2win> anybody listened to l33t_axss? lol... awesome hacker rap
[11:51] <_ray> anybody know of any good database apps...similar to access
[11:52] <hater2win> there is one in open office
[11:52] <hater2win> its called uhhhhh
[11:52] <hater2win> base?
[11:53] <hater2win> bout to go into beta soon i think
[11:53] <_dylan> is there a package that i can get that will allow me to use flash in konqueror?
[11:53] <hater2win> or something like that
[11:53] <_ray> _dylan: yeah
[11:53] <_dylan> what is the package name?
[11:54] <_ray> !find mozilla-flashplayer
[11:54] <_dylan> tans
[11:54] <_dylan> thanks*
[11:54] <_ray> you need to rescan plugins in konq before it will work
[11:54] <_dylan> how?
[11:55] <_ray> umm
[11:55] <_ray> go into configure 
[11:55] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'mozilla-flashplayer' returned no results.
[11:55] <_ray> and then plugins
[11:55] <_ray> and hit the rescan button
[11:55] <_dylan> ok
[11:55] <_dylan> in konqueror?
[11:56] <_dylan> o i c
[11:56] <_dylan> thanks
[11:57] <_dylan> flash cannot be found from within kynaptic
[11:58] <seth_k> ubotu tell _dylan about flash
[11:58] <Ju1ce> why do you fellas  use kynaptic?
[11:58] <Ju1ce> synaptic is better, or use command line apt-get
[11:59] <_dylan> i dont know how to install it
[11:59] <Firetech> does DVD+R DL burning work in the k3b version bundled with kubuntu?
[11:59] <Firetech> If it does, I can't find out how...
[11:59] <_dylan> cdrdao doesnt show up either
[12:00] <_dylan> wtf
[12:00] <frank_> _dylan: you need more repositories
[12:00] <frank_> !repositories
[12:00] <ubotu> methinks repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[12:01] <hater2win> is there an easy way to find where osmething is installed
[12:01] <hater2win> like i did
[12:01] <hater2win> sudo apt-get install python
[12:01] <hater2win> where does it install to?
[12:02] <_dylan> thanks
[12:03] <Ju1ce> "whereis python"
[12:03] <hater2win> ty much
[12:04] <_dylan> that link you gave me does not show me how to add repositories with kynaptic
[12:04] <_dylan> only synaptic
[12:05] <hater2win> install synaptic then =)
[12:05] <_dylan> can i do it from command line?
[12:05] <hater2win> yes
[12:05] <_dylan> how?
[12:05] <Ju1ce> they use the same db
[12:05] <hater2win> sudo apt-get install synaptic
[12:05] <equex> is there a way to reset the KDE menu so that all apps return to their default place?
[12:05] <equex> i broke it again :D
[12:05] <_dylan> no i mean install more repos via the konsole?
[12:05] <hater2win> oh
[12:05] <hater2win> *shrug*
[12:05] <Ju1ce> when you add them, kynaptic will use them too
[12:05] <_dylan> i know
[12:06] <hater2win> too new to know lol
[12:06] <_dylan> why cant you do it in kynaptic?
[12:06] <Ju1ce> I would prefer you to just edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:06] <_dylan> me too
[12:06] <_dylan> how?
[12:07] <hater2win> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:07] <hater2win> ???
[12:07] <hater2win> is that right ju1ce?
[12:07] <Ju1ce> _dylan: sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list (or whatever text editor u use)
[12:07] <frank_> _dylan kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:07] <frank_> _dylan sudo doesn't work
[12:07] <jatos1> no sudon nano /etc/apt/sources.list