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dholbachso you can relax a bit together12:07
\shmbreit: uploaded12:07
ogradholbach, nah... he should make her MOTU, then she can help here ;)12:07
dholbachogra: man... :)12:07
ogra:)12:08
\shdholbach: yeah..later that month..but hell no..I'm on a training *eeks* and then I want to go to berlin to meet treenaks and eventually dholbach ah thats you ;)12:08
\shogra: where is your better half to help us here? some rolls and some snacks would be fine ,-)12:08
dholbach\sh: ok :)12:08
dholbachkmess... what a name for a project12:09
dholbachtststs12:09
mbreit\sh: thanks, but my email adress is not yet whitelisted ;)12:09
ogra\sh, i asked her.... she still thinks about the meaning of the words :)12:09
\shogra: and actually her son is better in computer then she is...so I will ask her son ;)12:09
\shogra: didn't you show here last night, what it means: MOTU? *run'n'hide'12:10
ogralol12:10
ogra\sh, i sowed her last night what it means if your boyfriend has to build a distro like every night :-P12:11
ograshowed even12:11
\shahaha12:11
mbreitoh, xdiskusage failed to compile... we need to tell bddebian about pbuilder ;)12:11
\shmbreit: please send the patches as well to the debian maintainer :) thx12:12
\shmbreit: but only the gcc4 amd64 patches12:12
\shok...and now...I go and sleep...g'night12:13
ajmitchnight \sh12:13
mbreitgood night \sh12:13
ograciao \sh_away12:13
dholbachok i did 5 reviews today - that's just like review day :)12:15
mbreitdholbach: i think you are the only one doing reviews atm...12:17
dholbachshall i take a leaf out of \sh's book and go to bed early or do something else?12:17
Mezo_O12:17
Mezmy name shows up :D12:18
dholbachmbreit: Riddell, siretart, ivoks, Mez and slomo did some as well12:18
Mezhehe :D12:18
MezI dont know if thats just cause I'm whitelisted or cause I've been added, but yay my name shows up12:18
mbreitdholbach: i said atm... i know that slomo did many reviews... and siretart as well12:18
dholbachmaybe there were not as much as anal as i was :)12:18
Riddellbut dholbach is the best at it :)12:18
mbreitbut atm slomo is on holiday and siretart works on his theses..12:18
dholbachRiddell: sorry for keeping the kde apps from being uploaded :)12:18
dholbachRiddell: but it's not just them - i just thought you suffer most from that part of the story12:19
Mezdholbach, = uber scary reviewer12:19
mbreitRiddell: if you want to get better, there is my gnomeradio package waiting for a few votes ;)12:19
dholbachsorry for that12:19
=== dholbach lends Mez a "" :)
Mezdholbach, i cant be bothered to remember the code for it12:20
dholbachMez: don't worry12:20
Mezdholbach or load up kcharmap12:20
Riddellmbreit: hmm, that sounds like gnome to me12:20
=== ajmitch wishes this terminal did utf-8 :)
mbreitRiddell: if you want a kde package, there is my noteedit debdiff ;))12:21
dholbachRiddell: slacker - i reviewed quite a bunch of kde apps :-p12:21
dholbachmajic: ah ok12:24
majicdholbach, it's seeming a bit overwhelming with all the information out there on net about package creation. There is quite a bit of information overload.12:25
dholbachmajic: absolutely12:25
dholbachmajic: we use REVU as a tool to review packages and give hints on what to do with them12:25
dholbachdh_make is a good start to get templates for the stuff in the debian/ directory12:26
majicokay, hypothetically if I built a package how do I know that I've built it correctly (in terms of fitting into the Ubuntu way of doing things)12:26
dholbachand on REVU (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU has some info on it) you can see quite a lot of source packages, which are in different states of quality12:26
dholbachmajic: we review it, pbuilder is a nice tool to make sure it builds on a build daemon (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto)12:27
dholbachmajic: and lintian/linda are tools which help you to get a clue of what goes wrong too12:27
dholbachmajic: we added some tips on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingTips as well12:27
dholbachmajic: but first i'd   apt-get source    a similar package and have a look at that12:28
=== Mez has never used apt-get source in his life
dholbachMez: MAN! :) how do you check debdiffs against a current version? :)12:29
Mezdholbach, I wget :D12:29
majicdholbach, thanks12:29
=== dholbach shakes head disbelievingly
dholbach:-)12:29
dholbachmajic: anytime12:29
MezI've never done anything other than that :D12:29
Mezlol12:29
dholbachmajic: #ubuntu-motu is the place to be to get you there12:29
Mezmainly cause I used to (until recently) be on hoary :d12:29
majicyeah I'm looking into using Pbuilder and have successfully built 2 packages with it. The breezy Ruby package and another one.12:29
dholbachmajic: super12:29
majicI can't learn this stuff fast enough =)12:30
majicI wanna help out so damn bad, haha.12:30
dholbachmajic: you'll make it, definitely and sooner than you think, i'm quite sure12:30
dholbachmajic: helping out in fixing build-dependencies and rebuilding stuff (in the motu crew) helped me to get a feel for it12:31
majicI would help out with the UnmetDeps (I think that's what you guys are calling it) but I don't have time to play with Breezy right now.12:32
dholbachmajic: building in a breezy pbuilder (and making sure they're installable in a breezy chroot) should be cool too, but you might get other views on where you could help out in here, too12:33
ajmitchmajic: don't worry, you can get in quicker as a MOTU than in debian ;)12:36
majicI think I'll look around for some software that isn't packaged and try to package it up12:36
CarlFKwhen making a deb, where are the configure parameters stored?12:36
=== ajmitch probably holds a record for debian
ajmitchCarlFK: debian/rules12:36
tsengajmitch: understatement for the win.12:36
ajmitchtseng: it took me 3+ years for debian12:36
tsengrock on.12:36
CarlFKtx12:36
tsengmeebey is going on 6 months12:37
Burgundaviaajmitch, why did it take you so long?12:37
majicand then I'll ask for some people to review it, see if it looks good and is in the Ubuntu way of doing things. But before all that I have alot of reading to do =)12:37
ajmitchReceived application 2001-12-1112:37
ajmitchAccount Created 2005-02-0312:37
ajmitchBurgundavia: Real Life intervened ;)12:37
dholbachi wonder how long it will take me12:37
=== Burgundavia keeps meaning to learn how to package, it might take him that long too
ajmitchmy AM was jordi, he was quite good about it12:38
ajmitchso it took me over 3 years before I met him in person :)12:38
dholbachhehe :)12:39
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tsengyou have to meet your am?12:39
ajmitchnot at all12:39
tsengyeah.12:39
ajmitchbut jordi was at UDU12:39
tsengyes.12:39
tsengsortof12:39
ajmitchheh12:39
tsengzombie jordi12:39
ajmitchpoor guy12:39
tsengxfce 4.2 is pretty rad12:40
tsengi dont think ill replace gnome, but eh12:40
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tsengits fun12:40
dholbachi'm off to bed pals - see you around12:41
crimsuncya dholbach12:41
mbreitnight dholbach12:41
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ajmitchtseng: I found it pretty good, still prefer a nice gnome desktop though12:43
ajmitchwishing I had one here at work12:43
whiprushevening folks12:43
whiprushtseng: you live!12:44
ajmitchwhiprush!12:44
tsengwhiprush: i am tough as nails12:44
whiprushheh12:44
tsenghm where did that last upload go to12:45
mbreitwhy does gltron not show up in the build logs? it was accepted before the packages like qsynth...12:45
ajmitchtseng: check breezy/unstable in changelog12:46
tsengajmitch: ah-right12:46
ajmitchit's the most common mistake I make12:46
Riddelluniverse/games/gltron_0.70final-5build3: Dep-Wait by buildd+terranova [optional:out-of-date] 12:46
Riddell  Dependencies: libgl-dev12:46
tsengREJECT THIS, JACKASS12:46
Riddellmbreit: is it dep-waiting libgl-dev?12:46
whiprushok, this gnome-screensaver lock dialog is dead sexy.12:46
mbreithmm.. does that mean that it will be build after libgl-dev?12:47
mbreitand where can i get that message from?12:47
Riddellmbreit: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/buildLogs/Lists/breezy.all.i38612:48
Riddellmbreit: it might mean that, or it might mean there's a problem with the build daemons12:48
Riddellmbreit: so, is a sufficient version of libgl-dev built?12:48
Burgundaviawhiprush, what is the point of the count down thing?12:48
mbreitRiddell: i don't know...12:49
ajmitchwhiprush: heard any news about TheFridge from jdub?12:49
whiprushNo idea, other than most lockdown stuff has always had one.12:49
whiprushajmitch: I sent him a note yesterday.12:49
Burgundaviawhiprush, never mind12:49
whiprushelmo got a linode all set up12:49
ajmitchgreat12:49
Riddellmbreit: well what version of libgl-dev does it need?12:49
whiprushso I'm assuming it's still a go after Mr. IGotAndAwardWorhipMe gets home. :)12:50
Burgundaviawe have somebody on the forums about to start there own site, plus spreadubuntu12:50
Burgundaviawhiprush, rofl12:50
tsengwhiprush: its ready to go live?12:50
whiprushtseng: hahahahaha.12:50
whiprushright.12:50
ajmitchready to start development, you mean12:51
whiprushyes.12:52
mbreitRiddell: xlibmesa-gl-dev without any spezified version12:52
tsengdude12:52
tsengyou guys are slow12:52
mbreitbut it seems that xlibmesa-gl is broken atm...12:52
tsengive built a complex web app from scratch since udu12:52
tsengyou guys cant even write a few articles12:52
mbreitthat's why bddebian's xdiskusage failed, too12:53
=== tseng hides under rock
ajmitchwhiprush: right, so when can we start the jdub fanboy club on the fridge?12:53
whiprushWell, the writing isn't a problem for me.12:53
ajmitchtseng: yeah, that's what I get paid to work on too :P12:53
whiprushthough, if it takes us more than a few days to slap some ubuntu art on drupal then yes, it will be sad.12:54
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ajmitchwho's doing the artwork though?12:55
whiprushI saw some mockups from andy right after udu.12:55
whiprushdunno though, I assumed him and jdub were working that out.12:55
Riddellmbreit: there's no such package as libgl-dev12:55
ajmitchah good12:55
Burgundaviawhiprush, andy was working on look and feel, afaik12:55
mbreitRiddell, there is also no build-dep to that... just to xlibmesa-gl-dev12:56
ajmitchI'd hate for a prominent site to look like the rear end of a bus12:56
whiprushheh12:56
tsengandy++12:56
Burgundaviaajmitch, can I quote you on that?12:56
ajmitchBurgundavia: if you wish12:56
Riddellmbreit: looks like a problem with the build daemons then, poke lamont12:57
ajmitchdoes lamont still get paid to do all this ubuntu work?12:58
ajmitchor is it just of love, I wonder?12:58
lamontajmitch: love12:59
ajmitchlamont: your dedication is impressive12:59
tsengmeh, what does MOTU work for01:00
tsengbut definately a big lamont++01:00
lamonthehe01:00
ajmitchwe work for fame & glory, of course01:00
ajmitchor bugreports01:00
Riddellwow, dholbach approved gnomeradio.  that's the first package I've seen him approve01:00
lamontactually, much of what I'm doing now is driven by getting the hppa and ia64 ports happy, as well as just doing fun cool stuff.01:00
lamontthe crap work I give to infinity. :-P01:00
whiprushheh01:01
mbreitRiddell: it a very clean small package... but i needed to change some things to make dholbach happy ;)01:02
Riddellhow does gnome stuff get from Makefile.am to Makefile.in?01:02
ajmitchoh evil, breezy goal meeting at 3AM local time01:02
mbreitRiddell: i think they have a autogen-script in cvs that is deleted before making release-tarballs01:04
Riddellhmm, so if the packages has to fix Makefile.am then you're screwed01:04
Meztseng: ping01:04
tsengyes01:04
tsengi see you01:05
Mezah ok01:05
tsengthe packages are fine in breezy01:05
tsengif he wants to just install those01:05
mbreitRiddell: have you seen my noteedit patch?01:05
mbreitthats exactly the problem there...01:05
mbreiti needed to patch configure.in.in... and then let debian/rules rebuild the configure-script01:06
mbreitRiddell: http://ubuntu.mobr.de/sources/debdiffs/noteedit_2.7.1-2ubuntu1.debdiff you would make me very happy if you could review (and eventually upload) that ;)01:07
Riddellstill on gnomeradio, all these gnome deps take ages to install01:08
mbreitRiddell: oh, did not know that... then thanks for doing that!01:08
ograRiddell, nah, they are preinstalled :)01:10
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CarlFKwoo!01:12
CarlFK../transcode_1.0.0-0.1_i386.deb01:12
CarlFKit built!01:12
Riddellmbreit: what is /usr/share/omf/gnomeradio/gnomeradio-C.omf ?01:13
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mbreitit looks like the users manual01:15
schweebhey all01:16
mbreitRiddell: it's actually a part of that01:16
RiddellI know, but what is omf?01:17
mbreitopen source metadata framework01:19
Riddellgosh.  what's one of them?01:19
Riddellapproved by the way :)01:19
mbreitoh, thanks!01:19
mbreitbtw: omf has something to do with scrollkeeper01:20
Riddelldon't know what that is either01:22
mbreitscrollkeeper is a system for managing document metadata..01:23
mbreitit keeps track of all available gnome documentation (manuals) for the gnome help browser...01:24
Riddellmbreit: quite an ugly debdiff that01:28
mbreiti know...01:28
Riddellmbreit: no need to build-dep on autoconf2.13 and autoconf01:28
Riddellmbreit: and build-dep on automake1.9 not automake01:28
mbreitwell, yes, there is need to do that01:28
mbreitcause i had to change configure.in.in...01:28
mbreitso configure needs to be regenerated01:29
Riddellmbreit: I mean it has both autoconf2.13 and autoconf, only 1 needed01:29
mbreitokay, i see...01:29
Riddellmbreit: also you add  make -f admin/Makefile.common cvs  to the build target01:30
Riddellmbreit: but your 03 patch already contains all the changes made by that01:30
mbreitno, the 03 patch just changes the admin/acinclude.m4.in by that from kde svn01:32
mbreitnothing more01:32
Riddellah ok01:32
majicit's funny, there is a package in debian for some software I wrote and have been maintaining, there were quite a few patches made and nobody ever bothered to let me know. That's hilarious01:35
mbreitRiddell: fixed the build-dep issues... removed autoconf build dep and changed automake to automake1.901:37
Mezmajic, lol - thats probably because a lot of upstram authors tell DDs to "go away" (thats the polite version) when they try and send patches back01:37
ajmitchMez: not necessarily01:37
Mezajmitch, a lot do...01:37
Mezor ignore01:37
Mezor just dont want the packages01:37
ajmitchI've had pretty good luck getting changes upstream01:37
majicI mean it's not a huge deal, but I would have appreciated an email. I could have incorporated these changes01:38
Mezor at le least have in the past01:38
Mezmajic: yeah, I can understand that, just a lot of DDs dont bother trying anymore cause of previous bad experiences01:38
Mezemail the DD who works on it and ask him to mail you packages01:38
Mezpatches *01:38
ajmitchfor all my packages I solely maintain, I have commit access upstream01:38
Mezwhat package is it btw majic, out of curiosity01:38
Mezajmitch, thats you01:39
Mez:P01:39
majicit's a small window manager called aewm++ that was born from yet another small window manager called aewm01:39
crimsunah, aewm++01:39
crimsunlots of wms spawned from aewm.01:39
Riddellmbreit: compiles and runs, all looks good.  well done01:39
mbreitthanks! so you want to upload that? ;)01:40
mbreityay, my qcad changes have been build ;)01:40
Riddellmbreit: uploading..01:49
mbreitcool!01:49
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mbreitRiddell: still uploading?02:07
Riddellmbreit: sorry, got distracted by pbuilding the wrong .dsc file02:11
mbreitno problem02:12
mbreiti was just wondering why it does not show up on breezy-changes02:12
Riddellnoteedit_2.7.1-2ubuntu1_source.changes ACCEPTED02:16
Riddellwoo02:16
mbreitthanks!02:18
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mbreithi bddebian02:31
mbreitbddebian: xdiskusage did not build... see buildlogs for the reason... seems to be a broken mesa package02:32
mbreiti am going to bed now... see you all tomorrow... good night02:39
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bddebianAck, that makes no sense..03:03
bddebianWhy does xdiskusage install clean for me in a clean pbuilder but not normally?03:19
ajmitchbecause it doesn't like you, of course03:33
bddebian:'-(03:33
ajmitchisn't that your usual response? ;)03:33
majicwhat exactly does the watch file do in the debian folder of a package?03:33
majicpackage source that is03:34
bddebianSerously, it installs fine for me in pbuilder after I rebuilt it but the buildlog fails one a depends for xlibmesa-glu03:34
ajmitchlets you watch for upstream updates03:34
ajmitchman uscan for more info, I can't tell you much :)03:34
=== ajmitch doesn't use them in his packages enough
majicajmitch, how would I know. Would I know only when I build a new package?03:35
majicwhat exactly let's me know03:35
ajmitchsee the manpage.. it's also useful for automated checks in debian03:35
bddebianSee ajmitch, you hate me too :-)03:35
majicajmitch, which manpage?03:36
=== ajmitch points majic up about 5 lines in his scrollback..
ajmitchman uscan03:36
majicoh, I thought you were talking to somebody else03:36
majicuscan - looked like some scanner tools (as in like an HP scanjet)03:37
bddebianheh03:37
ajmitchbddebian: nah, not at all, you're just paranoid ;)03:37
majichaha03:37
majichmm, looks like I don't have uscan installed03:38
ajmitchapt-get install devscripts03:38
ajmitchdevscripts is a very useful & important package for package development03:38
majichmm, I didn't run across that yet mentioned in the wiki. My reading comprehension sucks probably.03:39
ajmitchperhaps not everyone uses it, but I can't live without it :)03:39
=== bddebian thinks he'll make an MOTUWannabeTips wiki :-)
ajmitchbddebian: great, please put all these comments there03:39
bddebianOK.  Any idea about my problem?03:41
ajmitchbddebian: it's broken03:43
ajmitchcheck that your pbuilder is up to date03:43
bddebianI just updated before trying it again03:43
ajmitchsince building with an out-of-date pbuilder can mislead you03:43
bddebianI just updated before trying it again03:45
ajmitchwhy are you using xlibmes-glu-dev ?03:45
bddebianAll I did was rebuild the package03:46
ajmitchand the build-depends are wrong03:46
ajmitchhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUGLUTransition03:46
ajmitchnot sure how up-to-date that page is in terms of packages03:47
ajmitchbut it has the right build deps03:47
bddebianSheesh, how am I supposed to keep up with all this shiite? :)03:47
gradzacanyone know where there is a ubuntu rootfs for uml?03:47
ajmitchbddebian: simple, look on the wiki, it has a search feature if you don't get the news about transitions :)03:48
bddebianajmitch: How would I know what to search for without even knowing it was an issue?? :-)03:49
ajmitchwell the build logs just told you that it was an issue03:49
bddebianYou are a big help :-)03:49
=== Mez blogs a lottle respect for elmo
ajmitchbddebian: yes, I am03:50
ajmitchbddebian: I am helping you by telling you to look for things when problems occur :)03:50
bddebian:-)03:51
bddebianI still don't get why it installs in my pbuilder though..03:54
ajmitchinstalls, or builds?03:55
bddebianinstalls03:56
ajmitchwhy would you care about installation, when it's the build that fails?03:56
ajmitchyou did test the build in a clean, up-to-date pbuilder, right?03:56
bddebianYes03:56
ajmitchit can't have been terribly up-to-date if it succeeded with the build-deps still set at xlibmesa-glu-dev03:57
Mezbddebian, are you building ina  BREEZY pbuild03:58
bddebianAnyway, xlibmesa-glu-dev build-dep should be xlibmesa-xorg-deb right03:58
bddebianMez: I have breezy install and breezy pbuilder :-)03:58
Mezbddebian, then how the hell does it build?03:58
bddebians/-deb/-dev03:58
Lathiatlibglu1-xorg-dev or something isnt it?03:58
ajmitchMez: it shouldn't03:58
Mezbddebian, sudo pbuilder login --save-after-login03:59
Lathiatajmitch: i thought it should03:59
ajmitchand it won't in any sane chroot or breezy setup03:59
Mezthen03:59
Mezapt-cache clean03:59
Lathiatajmitch: i thought it just upset the buildds03:59
ajmitchLathiat: not with just xlibmesa-glu-dev03:59
ajmitchafaik03:59
ajmitchLathiat: there is that possibility03:59
Mezajmitch, It may if he has the old package installed on the pbuild ;)03:59
bddebianLathiat: Oh yeah, sorry: libglu1-xorg-dev04:00
Mezbddebian, do the following and paste the output04:00
Mezsudo pbuilder login04:00
Mezdpkg -l xlibmesa-glu-dev04:01
Mezapt-cache madison xlibmesa-glu-dev04:01
Mezjust the output from the last 2 commands04:01
=== ajmitch decides to give up on being a motu for today & retire somewhere
Mezto see where they hell you're getting that package from04:01
bddebianajmitch: :-)04:01
Lathiatwtf is madison?04:01
MezLathiat, It's madison the archive managers little sister04:02
Mezas pitti put it04:02
bddebianMez: dpkg -l yeilds No packages found matching xlibmesa-glu-dev04:02
Mezthen how the hell does it build if it's B-D on that04:02
MezI think someones telling porkys04:02
bddebianI dunno maybe I'm on crack04:03
MezLathiat, check man apt-cache04:03
Mezmadison's REALLY useful04:03
bddebianmadison does yeild a bunch but I don't have it on this machine to dump the output and I aint typing it all :-)04:04
Mezmadison shouldnt yield anything04:05
ajmitchsomehow there's a xlibmesa-glu-dev binary still in universe, supposedly built from xorg source at 6.8.2-1004:05
ajmitchat least according to the packages list I have04:05
Mezwait04:05
Mezsorry04:05
ajmitchthat's some serious breakage, the binary should be removed04:05
Mezxlibmesa-glu-dev |   6.8.2-10 | http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe Packages04:06
ajmitchMez: obsolete, it should be removed04:06
Mezajmitch, good idea04:06
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ajmitchunless that was the version in hoary04:06
bddebianSo I'm not totally stoned? :-)04:06
ajmitchin which case, it's just the Packages.gz that is wrong04:07
ajmitchbddebian: you are, fix the broken build-depends04:07
bddebianajmitch: I'm doing that already :-)04:07
Mezajmitch, it's the same version, but, it's in universe04:07
ajmitchhttp://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=xlibmesa-glu-dev&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all04:07
ajmitchMez: yep, breakage04:07
Mezajmitch, yeah, but pool points back to main04:08
Mezajmitch, you should email elmo about that04:08
Mezit shouldnt have been NEWd in breezt04:08
ajmitchdaniels might want to hear about it too04:08
MezCC04:08
Mez:D04:08
ajmitchgo ahead, be my guest04:08
ajmitchI'm just a lowly MOTU04:09
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Mezajmitch, so am I04:14
Mezyou email them :D and tell them04:14
Mezjames.troup@ubuntu.com and  daniel.stone@ubuntu.com04:15
Mezand CC me04:15
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Mezmartin@sourceguru.net04:15
Mezajmitch, you might not be, but I dont have upload rights and I'm about to go to bed04:15
ajmitchhehe ok04:15
Mez;)04:15
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MezI await your CC04:15
Mezg'night04:15
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ajmitch;)04:16
ajmitchnight04:16
bddebianSorry, family came home04:17
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bddebianajmitch: Did you go too?04:55
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bddebianAre you / did you notify the above?04:59
ajmitchno, I didn't, I said I'm at work04:59
bddebianIf anyone is bored, could you check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUWannabeTips04:59
bddebianajmitch: Well, you are talking here aren't you?? ;-P05:00
ajmitch" If there was not an ubuntuX version, be sure to downgrade back the epoch version from upstream and add ubuntu1"05:01
ajmitchthere is no epoch being changed05:01
bddebianWrong?05:01
ajmitchepoch has a specific meaning in debian05:01
bddebianIf you use dch -i it does, doesn't it?05:01
ajmitchnew package from source has -0ubuntu1 version05:01
ajmitchno!05:01
bddebianAre you sure?05:01
ajmitchlook up what epoch means in debian & why they should very very rarely be used05:02
bddebianThen what do you call the -X portion of the version, in say 1.0.1-X ?05:02
chillywillyhi05:02
bddebianHeya chillywilly05:03
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ajmitchthe revision05:03
chillywillyhttp://basecamphq.com05:03
ajmitchepoch is like A:x.y.z-105:03
ajmitchwith the epoch is A05:03
ajmitchhttp://workshop.linspire.com/package-version-policy.html05:03
bddebianajmitch: Ahh05:03
ajmitchsee there for example05:04
Amaranthhttp://blogs.qtdeveloper.net/archives/2005/08/03/some-basic-thoughts-about-kde-4/05:05
AmaranthKDE guys start thinking like GNOME guys, oh dear05:05
ajmitchcxx transition should not change the -dev package name05:05
ajmitchyou're missing useful things like apt-cache rdepends05:05
ajmitchand grep-dctrl/grep-available05:06
bddebianOhh, that's right, epochs are used to override versioning screw-ups right?05:06
ajmitchyes05:06
bddebianajmitch: Where did I say they should change the -dev name?05:06
bddebianDamn man, I just started the thing.. :-)05:06
ajmitchin the example for apt-cache dump05:07
ajmitchand I"m giving you feedback05:07
ajmitchI'll stop now if you'd prefer05:07
Burgundaviaajmitch, who is doing usplash?05:07
ajmitchBurgundavia: no idea, but it's not me05:07
bddebianajmitch: Oh, so that is a bad example you are saying?  There would never be a libfooc2-dev?05:07
ajmitchbddebian: there usually wouldn't be05:08
bddebianOK, fair enough05:08
ajmitchgrep-dctrl says there are none, and I'm sure that policy specifies it too05:09
bddebianOK, thanks05:09
AmaranthBurgundavia: Matthew Garrett, iirc05:10
ajmitchI'd find apt-cache rdepends far more useful, to find out what depends on a package05:10
ajmitchand grep-dctrl to find build-deps05:10
AmaranthBurgundavia: mjg5905:10
bddebianI have never used grep-dctrl05:12
bddebian rdepends shows you what packages depend on *that* package doesn't it?05:12
BurgundaviaAmaranth, ok05:12
ajmitchyes05:12
ajmitcheg, apt-cache rdepends libwxgtk2.4c205:13
ajmitchshows me a list of packages I need to get rebuilt05:13
bddebianAye05:13
bddebianajmitch: I don't seem to have grep-dctrl, what is that from?05:15
ajmitchbddebian: grep-dctrl..05:16
bddebianOh, hehe05:16
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ajmitchbtw, dlocate is much much faster than dpkg -S05:17
bddebianYeah, yeah, I did it that way after I asked the dumb ass question05:18
bddebianGood god, why am I writing this??05:18
ajmitchbecause you volunteered, sucker :P05:18
bddebianOK, better now?05:24
ajmitchnope05:30
ajmitchyou mentioned my name in there05:30
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chillywillyok, I really do not like KDE06:19
chillywillymakes me want to gouge my eyes out06:19
ajmitchyou don't have to use it06:20
chillywillyI'm not06:22
chillywillyjust thought I would play with it but I just can't stand looking at it06:23
chillywillynow I have tons of KDE packages dirtying up my menus06:23
chillywilly:P06:23
Burgundaviachillywilly, if you don't like it, that is fine. There is no need to bash it06:24
Burgundaviachillywilly, for the record, I prefer gnome as well06:24
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chillywillynot really bashing it but I think gnome has a more professional look while KDE looks like a cartoon to me ;)06:25
chillywillyok, maybe I am poking at it some06:26
chillywillyI'll stop now06:26
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hervemorning09:46
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dholbachhellas09:51
dholbachlook what i found while reviewing qt4-x11: http://www.trolltech.com/video/qt4dance.html09:52
dholbachRiddell: i nearly wet myself, those qt guys are crazy :)09:54
ajmitchhi dholbach09:55
dholbachhey andrew09:55
dholbach:)09:55
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\shmornin11:30
\shg11:30
dholbachhey \sh11:30
mbreitgood morning!11:30
dholbachhey moritz11:31
\shhey dholbach11:31
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mbreithey dholbach...11:31
mbreitbtw: what does universe/sound/noteedit_2.7.1-2ubuntu1: Not-For-Us [optional:out-of-date]  mean?11:32
dholbachwhat distribution did you have in dbeian/changelog?11:32
mbreitbreezy11:32
dholbachhm11:33
dholbachbetter ask on #ubuntu-devel11:33
mbreitokay..11:33
ajmitchinfinity or lamont can answer best, I'd say11:36
\shnormally it's waiting for something11:38
mbreitthe same entry was for noteedit_2.7.1-2build1 before...11:39
\shis it new?11:40
\shno11:40
mbreitno, i just fixed compilation on gcc411:41
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Riddelldholbach: you mean you weren't taken aback by the professionalism of their marketing?11:49
dholbachRiddell: erm well... taken aback... yes :)11:50
Burgundaviamarketing?11:50
dholbachhttp://planet.ubuntu.com :)11:51
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kokemaybe we should have a promotional video with the badger dance :)12:17
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Amaranthyeah, how about no?12:23
Amaranththe qt 4 music video scares the shit out of me12:24
Amaranthone nice thing: my connection is fast enough to stream that 47MB mpg12:25
TreenaksQT4 music video?12:25
Treenaks*shudder*12:25
dholbachhaha :)12:25
TreenaksThe gnome devs should do something like this at the next GUADEC :)12:26
Amaranthyou want to see jdub dance?12:26
Amaranthi'm sure we could get sabdfl to do it after some drinks ;)12:27
TreenaksAmaranth: we've seen sabdfl, mdz, etc. sing that song at debconf...12:27
Amaranththat reminds me, does anyone have that video?12:27
ajmitchnope, never seen it12:27
ajmitchit disappeared very quickly12:28
Amaranthaye12:28
Amaranthit was up for a couple hours12:28
dholbachi didnt see it either12:28
ajmitchI think mako has a copy if you ask him nicely12:29
ajmitchhe doesn't have the bandwidth to stick it up for everyone to grab12:29
dholbachpeople.ubuntu.com should be fine :)12:30
=== jsgotangco dreams of the day dholbach sings at wembley
dholbach*cough slightly*12:38
dholbachi'm perfectly alright with doing the funky motu dance... but singing12:38
dholbachonly under the shower12:39
jsgotangcodude i said singing at wembley12:39
jsgotangcothat's like 50,000+ capacity12:39
jsgotangcoheh12:39
dholbachwell... let us all wait where this MOTU thing goes12:40
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dholbach(and i'll take singing lessons until then ;-))12:40
Treenakssigning lessons ;)12:41
dholbachTreenaks: it's not me who failed to sign all the keys on http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/henkp/pgp/pathfinder/stats/A94050AF.html - it's all been the others :)12:42
Treenaksdholbach: other signatures : 612:42
ajmitchdholbach: you need more sigs, you're out of the top 100012:43
dholbachTreenaks: that's because they didnt manage to import the keys i sent them12:43
Treenaksajmitch: debconf and wth took care of that...12:43
jsgotangcowho is part of the top 1000?12:43
dholbachjsgotangco: i was12:43
jsgotangcoooohhhh12:43
TreenaksI'm still in :)12:43
jsgotangcothis is like pokemon12:43
Treenakshttp://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/henkp/pgp/pathfinder/stats/3FA5E031.html12:43
Treenaksby a small margin12:44
jsgotangcooh well i see you all later12:46
dholbachbye jerome12:46
jsgotangcoa few hours ago, i just joined the ranks of the unemployed :)12:46
dholbachoh... anything in sight yet?12:46
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jsgotangconone at the moment, i just finished a contract with an employer12:47
jsgotangcoalthough i can live off with my savings in a few months fortunately :)12:48
dholbachi hope the best for you12:48
jsgotangco:D12:48
jsgotangcothey're taking me to karaoke later12:48
jsgotangcoi will probably drop by the 15utc meeting12:49
dholbachhehe... karaoke night! :)12:49
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ivokshi all12:54
ajmitchhi ivoks12:54
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ivokshappy thanks giving day and day of victory for all from croatia :)12:55
ivoksajmitch: hi12:55
Treenaksaug 05  Dan domovinske zahvalnosti12:56
Treenaksthat's what calendar tells me12:56
ivoksyeah :)12:56
Treenaksno idea what it means..12:56
ivoksday when country is thanksfull for their soliders :)12:56
ivokss/for/to12:57
Mezdholbach, it's you who puts the stuff in UniverseUnmetDeps right?12:59
dholbachMez: bddebian did the last list afaik12:59
dholbachhey ivoks12:59
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dholbachivoks: push somebody to review wifi-radar - NOW!12:59
ivoksbecky (backup tool) is going nicely01:00
Mezdholbach, I'm just wondering how it's built, as it needs updating01:00
ivoksdholbach: would you? :)01:00
dholbachivoks: i did and signed already01:00
ivoksdholbach: ok, thanks01:00
ivoksajmitch: would you review it too? :)01:00
dholbachMez: the command is on the page itself01:00
Mezbash: apt-cache: command not found01:01
Mezo_O01:01
Mezuh-oh01:01
dholbachi removed the 01:01
dholbachit was wrong01:01
Mezso what should it be01:02
dholbachLC_ALL=C apt-cache -i unmet | grep ^Package | cut -d' ' -f2 | xargs apt-cache showsrc | grep ^Package | sed 's/Package\://' | sort -u > unmet.txt01:02
mbreitdholbach: well, the perl-magic part is still missing ;)01:03
dholbachmbreit: that's no coincidence :)01:04
Mezdholbach, I'm only getting a TINY output from that command01:05
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dholbachMez: on amd64 the list is significantly longer01:05
dholbachMez: how many lines have you got?01:06
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Mezdholbach, 1301:06
Mezah01:06
mbreiton amd64 i get 28201:07
MezIt works on source packages01:07
dholbachoops i have 37901:07
dholbachNICE :)01:07
mbreitbtw: to get that comma sperated add " perl -e'while (<>) { chomp; print($_ . ","); }'" at the end of the pipe01:07
ograeeek perl01:08
Mez361 on i38601:08
ogra360 here01:08
ivoksogra: hi01:13
ograhey ivoks01:13
ivoksogra: backup tool is going ok...01:14
ogranice :)01:14
ivoksogra: it will be ready for 1.9. 100%01:14
ograsee that you get a package in soon... even if its not yet working right...01:15
tsenghi01:15
ivokswill try, but too many nice girls over here :))01:15
ivokstime to go...01:16
ivokssee you guys in few days...01:16
ivokscould someone please upload etherape in breezy?01:17
ivoksi fixed it month ago, and in breezy is still broken version01:17
dholbachi'm off - see you later01:17
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tsengwhiprush: your website is sex.01:24
Lathiaturl?01:25
tsenghttp://www.ubuntudetroit.org/01:25
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WaterSevenUbHi! In gnome-app-install I have noticed that the menu entry is not translateable as a string. I would like to make a patch but I have no idea how to do that. http://bazaar.ubuntu.com/gnome-app-install@bazaar.ubuntu.com/gnome-app-install--MAIN--001:41
WaterSevenUbanyone can help? Thanks.01:41
ograWaterSevenUb, g-a-i is in main... this is the channel for universe maintainers.... ask in #ubuntu-devel01:42
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Mezdo MOTU have upload access to Multiverse?01:57
MezI've always assumed they have but never asked01:57
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herveMez, yes02:01
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tsengmorn bradb02:11
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bradbhey tseng02:11
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Mezthings shouldnt depend on Virtual packages should they?02:32
hervevirtual package | proposed package02:33
hervee.g., www-server | apache202:33
herveI don't remember the exact name02:33
ograhttpd :)02:33
Mezhmmles :D02:33
Mezif I dont get any output from katie, is that bad ?02:33
hervethanks ogra02:34
ograMez, are you whitelisted ?02:34
Mezogra, I dont know02:34
ograherve, i'm just rebuilding moodle, it has exactly this dependency ;)02:34
MezI've had output previously02:34
ograah, ok02:34
Mezwell, I had output yesterday when \sh uploaded for me02:34
Mezbut that was the first time :P02:34
ogradid yo ever upload yourself ?02:35
MezI tried uploading myself once and got a rejection02:35
MezRejected: The key (0x2404ED3A6AAAA569) used to sign webmin-optional_1.210a-2ubuntu1.dsc wasn't found in the keyring(s).02:35
Mezjust tried uploading again today to see if I've been added yet02:35
ograAccepted webmin-optional 1.210a-2ubuntu1 (source)02:36
ografrom yesterday02:36
Mezyeah, that was \sh uploading for me02:37
ograyou know that you never upload the same version twice i assume, else elmo will hunt you down02:37
Meznot even if it gets rejected cuase of keyring?02:37
Mezand I'm not uploading same version tewice02:37
ogranot even then without talking to a buildd master02:38
Mezi was trying a different package today02:38
ograits generating extra work02:38
ograjust a hint ;)02:38
Mezto wait and see if I got accepted or rejected by katie02:38
Mez:D02:38
Mezand then if it was rejected, poking a proper MOTU02:38
ogranope02:38
ogratalk to elmo about your key please, dont generate xtra work02:38
Mezogra, I've tried talking to him :D02:40
ograso it should get rejected...02:40
ograbut just pushing it forward to another motu instead of fixing the problem isnt nice02:40
ogras/should/shouldnt02:41
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herziis there a wiki page to request packages for universe?02:59
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yuachthow can i get involved with dev when i don't know any programming? =)03:13
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Mezyuacht, you dont neccesarily need to know how to program03:15
Mezbut it helps03:15
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majicI see some php5 packages in the universe repo, I don't see one for an apache2 module, nor do I see it in the main repo along with the other libapache2 modules. Is there a php5 module package?03:25
Mezanyone here wanna sponsor an upload or two for me03:26
Lathiatmajic: ... Filename: pool/main/p/php5/libapache2-mod-php5_5.0.4-3ubuntu1_i386.deb03:27
MezLathiat, do you have upload access?03:28
LathiatMez: no03:28
Mezgrr03:28
Mezanyone? http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~mez/debdiff/libkexif.diff and http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~mez/debdiff/tex-guy.diff03:28
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bddebianHowdy03:30
crimsun_Mez: have those been checked?03:31
majicLathiat: when I apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5 I get an error message saying that it doesn't exist.03:31
Lathiatmajic: well your packages are out of date or something03:32
majicI just did an apt-get update03:32
Mezcrimsun_, yes, I made them, they just need uploading03:32
crimsun_I'll look.03:32
Lathiatmajic: well dude i dunno what your doing, wfm03:32
jamessan|workmajic: are you running breezy?03:33
\shMez: send it via mail please to me...i will take care about it when I'm at home...03:33
majicI'm running Hoary 5.0403:33
\shmajic: php5 is for breezy03:33
jamessan|workwell, that's why03:33
Mez\sh well if crimsin can do it, then you wont need to03:33
Mezcrimsun_, they're only small changes03:33
bddebianIf any of you get bored, can you please look at:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUWannabeTips ?03:33
\shMez: ok03:33
DanielNwhat03:34
DanielNPHP5 is in breezy?03:34
\shso I can work on bddebian's text ,-)03:34
\shDanielN: thx to ogra, yes03:34
DanielNRRRROCKING :))))03:34
majicI keep getting burned in the ass with these old packages03:34
majicdamn, I got spoiled running Gentoo03:34
bddebian\sh: ??03:34
ogra\sh, really not my fault :)03:34
DanielNgreat work ogra03:35
crimsun_Mez: I'll take care of it. Updating my pbuilder atm.03:35
ogra\sh, thats infinitys work03:35
DanielNouch03:35
DanielN:)03:35
ogra:)03:35
Mezcrimsun_, kk, just needs the diffs applying to old sources, resigning and uploading03:35
DanielNi hopefully have more time now to doing ubuntu stuff03:36
DanielNsince my "thesis" is over03:36
DanielN;>03:36
Mezhmm03:38
Mezshould we enable gtk support for mplayer-plugin03:39
majicI can't believe it. PHP 5.0 came out 13 July 2004 and PHP 5 is only available in Breezy. That is hilarious. Is there any reason for this? I keep getting burned like this, I go to install something I've been used to running on another distro and I can't get a package for it.03:40
DanielNno03:41
DanielNfedora core 4 has it too03:41
\shmajic: php5 is a bit crappy...cause not all php4 apps are running on php503:42
\shmajic: so there is a decision to be made..php4 or php5 ... the better case was php4...03:45
ograit'll most likely be php5 .... 4 will stay in universe03:46
\shmajic: and gentoos php5 was even more scary...but since Sebastian Bergmann took over PHP5 ebuilds...it's just running quite stable03:46
\shogra: yes...but for hoary it was 403:46
ograyup03:46
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ograMez, yes03:46
DanielNharhar03:46
ograMez, there is a malone bug open for that03:46
DanielNubuntu becomes server interesting distro :)03:46
ograbecomes ??03:47
DanielN;>03:47
\shmajic: and believe me...if Sebastian is doing some harm to my php5 install on my gentoo servers...I will kick his ass..he's living just around the corner ,-)03:47
\shDanielN: it is...03:47
DanielNyeah03:47
DanielNbut there weren't any averages debian -- ubuntu03:48
DanielNnow there are :)03:48
Mezogra, yes I know there is a malone bug, I asked for it to be made, was just wondering whether it should be done03:48
MezI'm working it now03:48
ograoki03:48
Mezjust fixing a couple of deps on it too03:49
\shDanielN: which ones? debian is working on php5 as well...and I think php5 in ubuntu will be an interims solution until debian has it in the archives03:49
bddebiando be do be doo03:49
ogra\sh, the packages are the same03:50
\shogra: yes03:50
crimsun_Mez: tex-guy will not pbuild.03:50
Mezcrimsun - really?03:50
Mezit did for me03:50
Mezhmmles03:50
Mezah wait03:51
DanielNyeah /sh but since it will takes another 3 years until debians next release ubuntu will be first debian derivate with a stable release including php503:51
bddebianheh03:51
bddebianMez: Did you tell anyone about xlibmesa-glu-dev?03:51
Mez...?03:52
MezI was meant to tell someone03:52
bddebianShouldn't someone tell someone? :-)03:52
Mezogra: ?03:53
ogra?03:53
Mezbddebian, was I meant to tell someone03:53
Mezsorry ogra ..03:53
Mezhmm03:53
Mezwhere can I find gthread03:53
bddebianI guess not03:54
ograglib i'd guess03:54
bddebianlibglib, libc6-dev03:56
ograsigthread != gthread03:56
DanielNarghs03:57
Mezcrimsun, yeah sotry I forgot vflib = b0rked03:57
DanielNdamn error... i meant advantages and not averages :)03:57
Mezdpkg-shlibdeps: warning: format of libplc4.so not recognized03:58
Mezhmm03:58
MezI'm getting lots and lots and lots of those03:58
Mezogra: http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~mez/debdiff/mplayerplug-in.diff done :d04:07
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ogragreat04:07
Mezwanna upload ?04:07
ograno time04:09
ograif you fix moodle :)04:09
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Mezcrimsun, ping :D04:09
crimsunMez: pong.04:11
Mezcrimsun, fancy uploading that one for me04:12
crimsunMez: I'll look in 30 s.04:12
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dholbachre04:16
Mezre?04:16
bddebianwb dholbach04:17
dholbachbddebian: excellent work on that motuwannabetips page04:17
dholbachbddebian: i linked it from a couple of places04:18
bddebiandholbach: How did YOU see that? :-)04:18
dholbachbddebian: i'm subscribed to the wiki04:18
bddebianAh, well thanks.  It's a work in progress :)04:18
dholbachyeah definitely - now we have a place to send people to04:19
crimsunre dholbach04:19
dholbachgood thinking - thanks for that04:19
dholbachcrimsun: hey daniel - how's it going?04:19
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Mezhmm04:20
crimsundholbach: not bad, yourself?04:20
crimsunMez: your diff doesn't apply cleanly (debian/rules); I'll patch by hand.04:20
dholbachcrimsun: a bit sleepy - was taking a nap when my landlord brought somebody in to look at the flat (i'm moving out in two weeks) - GRR - he could have told me before - the place was a mess :)04:20
Mezcrimsun, thats weird - it;s a tiny change to debian/rules04:21
crimsundholbach: d'oh, hehe. To where are you moving?04:22
dholbachcrimsun:  b e r l i n !  woohoo!04:22
crimsundholbach: awesome!04:22
dholbachyeah  i'm so happy :)04:23
Treenaksdholbach: yes, we need to drink some beer there together ;)04:25
\shok...going home04:25
dholbachdefinitely04:25
dholbachbye stephan04:25
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crimsunMez: it looks like you diffed against _your_ previous revision of ubuntu204:27
Mezcrimsun, huh?04:28
Mezcrimsun, I diffed agasint the version I downloaded from the repo04:28
crimsunlook at your debdiff04:29
Mezwhat about it04:30
crimsunnotice "+  * Fixed Depends on mozilla-browser | mozilla-firefox to firefox | mozilla-browser | mozilla-firefox"04:30
crimsunand "+ -- Martin Meredith <martin@sourceguru.net>  Fri,  5 Aug 2005 14:46:22 +0100"04:30
Mezah04:30
Mezok04:30
MezI see04:30
Mezsorry04:31
Mezyou manage to sort that? or want another debdiff?04:31
crimsunI applied by hand. libkexif and mplayerplug-in are both uploaded.04:32
Mezah, thankies04:32
crimsunnp04:32
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bddebianMan it's quiet in here today :-(05:36
dholbachwe're in the meeting and listen in awe05:36
bddebianOhhh, sorry05:36
dholbachdon't worry :)05:37
tsengoh wow05:37
tsengis there a pete here?05:37
tsengpete AT openfestis.org05:37
jsgotangcoheh05:38
bddebiantseng: Hi.  Would you mind looking at xdiskusage again?  I think I fixed the build-dep.05:38
tsengi think ajmitch fixed the build-dep, no?05:38
tsengis it still broken?05:39
tsengi am not on my laptop05:39
bddebianHe is the one that pointed it out to me.  Maybe he fixed it.  Fsck, what do I know.05:39
tsenghe uploaded a fix, so..05:39
tsengplease tell me if it is really broken or what05:40
tsengim using a livecd05:40
bddebianHeh. OK05:40
petetseng: yeah I'm here06:05
dholbachpete, tseng: if you're going to takl about monopod: it's still broken on amd64 breezy06:08
peteon my breezy i386 mono is broken allover06:09
peteis that just me or..?06:10
bddebiantseng: Yep, looks like ajmitch fixed xdiskutils06:12
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bddebianHmm, what to work on today..06:13
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chillywillywhat meeting?06:30
dholbachbreezy goals update06:30
dholbach#ubuntu-meeting06:31
chillywillyhi bddebian06:31
chillywillyoh06:31
chillywillynifty06:31
bddebianHeya chillywilly06:31
bddebianchillywilly: Hey check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUWannabeTips if you get a sec and let me know what you think :-)06:31
chillywillyyour link to PBuilderHowTo is not right06:33
chillywilly:)06:33
bddebianGah06:34
bddebianFixed, thanks06:35
chillywillylooks to be some good and helpful content but I don't really have much time to read through it atm06:37
bddebianNP06:38
mbreitbddebian: great page... i think most newbies can learn a lot from that...06:39
kokebddebian: it looks nice :)06:40
kokebtw, the new launchpad look is far nicer than the old one :)06:41
mbreitbtw: is someone working on packages for sonance or spe?06:41
kokeI think I'll fix more bugs now ;)06:41
bddebianmbreit / koke: Thanks06:41
bddebianmbreit: Thanks for the note on xdiskusage btw :-)06:41
mbreitbddebian: no problem06:41
mbreitif nobody is working on sonance or spe, i will add them to my todo list06:43
bddebianmbreit: You think it would makes sense to add a "Ready to upload" or "Just needs rebuild" section to UniverseUnmetDeps to make it easier for MOTUs to identify what can "quickly" be fixed?06:43
mbreitbddebian: i had this idea, too.. at least a "just needs rebuild" section would be nice06:44
bddebianAye.  I'll add it, thanks06:44
mbreitdo you want to add another table just like the "need love" table?06:45
bddebianYep06:45
mbreitgood idea06:45
mbreitthat saves even time for us... so i do not have to make a changelog-entry and so on... just rebuild in pbuilder and see if it works06:46
kokedoh, my most hated maolne bug is here again ;)06:47
mbreitand we need to get this unmet deps list smaller... its so frustrating to see it growing06:47
bddebianAye06:48
bddebianOK< added06:48
mbreitgreat... but i can't really work on that list today because i have a exam for university tomorrow...06:51
mbreitbut after that exam i will fix a few more of that packages..06:52
mbreitbtw: if you put xxdiff to the rebuild list, you can remove it from the "NOBODY" list06:53
bddebianmbreit: Well, that was a placeholder. I'm testing right now ;-)06:53
mbreitokay06:53
bddebian pbuilder build does a test install also?06:59
mbreitbddebian: you can user pbuilder login to try to install a package07:00
tsengdholbach: we dont care you about amd6407:01
tsengdholbach: :P07:01
dholbachok07:01
dholbachwell i dont care about mono07:01
dholbach:-p07:01
tsengor more realistically07:01
bddebianmbreit: Yeah but then I have to update my local apt repo :-)07:01
tsengeveryone tells me about bugs on amd64 and doesnt do anything about it07:01
tsengi dont have hardware07:01
tsengdunno what im supposed to do.07:01
bddebianBuy one :-)07:01
dholbacharrange with Mithrandir07:01
jsgotangcojeez my hiccups is already half an hour...07:02
tsengim hoping to work one out a different way07:02
tsengbut in the mean time07:02
tsengi still cant fix amd64 bugs07:02
bddebianI thought I saw something somewhere about doing an install with the .deb with pbuilder07:02
mbreittseng: i am on amd64.. if i can help you somehow...07:03
tsengmbreit: dholbach thinks monopod is broken.07:04
tsengfrom revu07:04
tsengit gives an X error07:04
dholbachit still is07:04
dholbachtested this morning07:04
tsengwell it really looks like X07:04
tsengi dont know07:04
mbreitbh... i want bash-completion for pbuilder...07:07
bddebianheh07:07
tsengdefinately07:07
bddebianWon't dpkg -i update packages for depends?07:07
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tsengit should be smart enough to only complete *.dsc07:07
tsengbddebian: because dpkg doesnt account for dependency info?07:08
tsengapt does that07:08
mbreittseng: i am building monopod now, but i have very few time today, so i will have to investigate that tomorrow07:08
bddebianSo I have no choice but to use my local repo to test package installation?07:08
tsengmbreit: ok thanks. if you can give me a hint, great07:09
tsengbddebian: or, install them all?07:09
tsengdpkg -i 1 2 307:09
bddebiantseng: No, it wants a newer version of libgcc1 installed then what I have installed.07:09
tsenguh07:09
tsengit sounds like you did something bad07:09
bddebianWhy?07:09
bddebianThere is a candidate for it07:10
tsengyou built something with a newer libgcc1 than you system has?07:10
tsengor something.07:10
dholbachbye everybody - i'm off07:12
bddebianLater dholbach07:12
mbreitgrr... the bug i most hate is the crashing panel on package installation07:12
mbreitbye dholbach07:12
bddebiantseng: Its a depends not build-depends07:12
tsengdude comeon07:17
bddebianWhat?07:17
tsengwhen you build something, it fills in sh:Depends07:17
tsengbuild-depends07:17
tsengon what version you built it with07:17
bddebianThat makes no sense to me, sorry07:19
tsengok07:19
tsengsay libfoo is binary incompatible between versions07:19
tsengif i build my package against libfoo-1.3.so07:20
tsengit wont work when i have libfoo-1.2.so installed07:20
bddebianI understand that part07:21
tsengso whats the problem07:21
bddebianFirstly, I don't even know where it is getting xxdiff depends on libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.1)??07:22
mbreittseng: all other gtk# applications seem to work well here... its only monopod which is crashing07:24
mbreitso i will debug that tomorrow to see where (which code line) it crashes07:24
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bddebianHello CarlFK07:26
bddebianCarlFK: You're in IL ?07:26
CarlFKhey bddebian - yup07:27
bddebianCarlFK: Where, if you don't mind me asking?07:27
CarlFKNiles - just north of Chicago07:27
bddebianAhh.  I grew up near Peoria / Bloomington07:27
CarlFKneat - friend from there is coming up tomorrow07:27
CarlFKJason Nance07:28
bddebianCoolio07:28
bddebiantseng: Does this mean you gave up on me? :-)07:28
SeveasOKay guys, I have a program that installs with a setup.py. Which package is a good example to look at for creating a deb package of such a program?07:32
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Seveasogra, help me out here :)07:33
ogracan you give the setup.py a custom path ?07:34
ogras/path/install path07:34
Seveas--prefix=07:34
Seveasit's a normal setup.py07:34
SeveasI just want a package to look at as an example :)07:34
ograi dont know one from the top of my head07:35
Seveasisn't hwdb-client a python program?07:35
ograyup07:35
ograbut i dont use a setup.py07:36
Seveasah07:36
ograsince i already wrote it for being installed from a .deb07:36
Seveaswill apt-file show these files? They don't show up in the .deb07:36
jamessan|workSeveas: there's not really much to do. you can take a look at Supybot, though. I know that uses it.07:36
ograunlikely they get installed07:36
Seveasjamessan|work, thank you, I'll have a look07:37
ograSeveas, i would look what setup.py really does and try to do the same in the rules file07:37
Seveascan't I simply call setup.py from the rules?07:37
ograits most likely only copying files around07:38
JanC& pre-compiling07:39
Seveasthat's what dh_python can do too07:39
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Seveaswow, cdbs is the best thing since debhelper07:56
Seveasthe supybot rules in 7 lines long...07:56
Seveasis*07:56
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bddebiansupybot! Cool package :-)08:00
ograSeveas, learn debhelper first...08:00
ograSeveas, even if cdbs is tempting08:00
Seveascdbs uses debhelper08:02
Seveaswell, it can08:02
ogranever mix these two08:02
ograits not a good habit ...08:02
Seveashmm08:02
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Seveasi mean include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk08:03
ograyes, but these are cdbs implementations of debhelper08:03
Seveasthe call dh_*08:03
Seveasthey*08:03
ograyes, all of them... you generate either a huge overhead or have a lot to exclude for simple packages08:04
Seveasah08:04
Seveaswell, let's get back to maint-guide then :)08:05
jbaileyogra: Eh?  Don't tell me you're using cdbs *without* debhelper...08:05
ograso if you can make a package with 2 or 3 debhelper calls, cdbs makes no sense08:06
ograjbailey, i dont mix them up in rules08:06
jbaileyAh, good.08:06
jbaileyI half feared you meant you were using cdbs *without* debhelper.mk08:06
ograthats what i had problems to bring acreoss to Seveas ;)08:06
jbaileyWhich I've done to prove that it was possible, but...08:06
Seveasah ok08:06
ogranah, i wouldnt08:07
jbaileyogra: I've been considering (but haven't done) for cdbs2 to test to see if the debhelper call would be a no-op.  Would that make you happier?08:07
ograsure...08:07
jbaileyIt's certainly not a release blocker, but I had assumed that nobody but poor m68k hackers would care.08:07
ograi dont like to waste cpu cycles ;)08:08
jbaileyWhat else are they *for*?08:08
Seveasbuildds have to do something :)08:08
ograheh08:08
tsengyay!08:08
tsengi got my laptop working with my apple monitor08:08
tsengand docking station08:08
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jbaileyogra: Besides, the overhead of running all the debhelper calls versus a decent testsuite is pretty small.08:08
Seveastalk about wasting cpu cycles :)08:08
ograbuildds have to annoy their meintainer... they are very busy with that already ;)08:08
jbaileyAnd I'd love to see every app out there grow a really comprehensive testsuite.08:08
tsengunit testing +++08:09
ograyup, sounds reasonable08:09
jbaileyogra: Another thing that I quite like about cdbs versus similar sized debhelper-based rules files is just consistancy.08:10
jbaileyYou have the promise that various DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS are honoured, and takes no time to figure them out at a glance once you've seen a couple of them.08:10
ograi'm probably just to oldschool :) i should make more with cdbs08:11
ograbut still, for a MOTU its important to be familiar with both Seveas :)08:12
ograand cdbs is easy... so learning debhelper first makes sense ;)08:13
bddebianLike learning asm before C?  I'm sure everyone still does that?? ;-P08:13
Seveasrofl08:13
SeveasI did :)08:13
bddebianSeveas: Nice.  I don't know either :-)08:13
Seveasbut then again, I learned java before that ;)08:13
bddebianack08:14
ograbddebian, nah, C before C++ :)08:15
bddebianheh08:15
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Seveashmm08:15
Seveaspostpone C++ as much as possible08:16
jbaileyogra: Which is often also a mistake.08:16
jbaileyogra: It's best to consdier C and C++ to be generally unrelated but somewhat compatible languages.08:16
ograjbailey, was the best example that came to mind :)08:16
janimonosesany idea why xfce4-terminal is not entering the build?08:17
janimonoseshttp://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Lists/breezy.all.i38608:17
janimonosessays it depends on dbus-glib-1-dev08:17
janimonosesbut http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/x/xfce4-terminal/xfce4-terminal_0.2.4-3ubuntu1.dsc08:17
janimonosesshows that libdbus-glib-1-dev is in the bd: line actually08:18
janimonosesI am confused08:18
janimonoseslamont ^^08:19
ograjanimonoses, so depend on that one08:21
ograerr..08:21
ograoh08:21
ogranm08:21
janimonosesthat's deprecated in favor of what I wrote08:22
ograyes08:23
lamontif it shows that it's depwait, and that doesn't match, then it means someone needs to poke me to clear it.08:23
lamontuploading a new version to change build-deps _WILL_NOT_ clear a dep-wait08:23
janimonoseslamont, thanks08:25
lamont(and I've cleared it)08:25
janimonosesthe previous version tried building at least08:26
lamontor, more precisely, I've told wanna-build to pretend that dbus-glib-1-dev is available08:26
janimonosesso I thought : failed build -> needs upload08:26
tsengjanimonoses: now you know :)08:26
bddebian"And knowing is half the battle"08:26
lamontdep-wait --> never try again until that dependency is available, no matter how many times they upload08:27
janimonosestseng, but this is only one of the many corner cases which I don't :)08:27
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zygahello08:27
bddebianHello zyga08:27
janimonoseshi zyga08:27
crimsunlamont: would you poke vlc, too, please?08:27
zygaany gnomebaker devs lurk here?08:27
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lamontcrimsun: poke it how?08:27
janimonoseslamont, writing it up would be GREAT08:28
lamontpretend vlc is available, or what is it dep-wait on?08:28
crimsunlamont: it's dep-wait on aalib1-dev, but aalib1-dev's not listed as a build-dep08:29
crimsunthat's why I'm quite confused08:29
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zygaand the polish translation08:29
zyga(hoary-whatever-backports)08:29
crimsunjanimonoses: do we know what's going on with xffm4?08:29
lamontcrimsun: it was08:29
janimonosescriumsun, let me take a look08:29
janimonosescrimsun, I think  we need to ask elmo to sync?08:30
crimsunlamont: hmm. I built it in an i386 and an amd64 pbuilder successfully.08:30
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lamontcrimsun: 0.8.1-1ubuntu8: Build-Depends: ... liba52-0.7.4-dev, aalib1-dev, libdvbpsi3-dev,08:31
crimsunjanimonoses: according to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/x/xffm4/ it's already there.08:31
lamont<lamont> dep-wait --> never try again until that dependency is available, no matter how many times they upload08:31
lamont<janimonoses> tseng, but this is only one of the many corner cases which I\08:31
lamontoops. only meant to paste one line08:31
crimsunlamont: oh, I see. That would mean my 0.8.2-1ubuntu1 upload is stuck.08:32
lamontcrimsun: so now that I've told wanna-build to pretend taht aalib1-dev is available, the buildd will actually finally _TRY_ to build 0.8.2-1ubuntu108:32
crimsunlamont: right. Thanks!08:32
zygaeh, anyone?08:32
lamontnot so much stuck as just totally ignored08:32
crimsunjanimonoses: doesn't look like xffm4 is actually being built at all08:33
crimsunzyga: I don't think there are any here.08:33
zygacrimsun: how about gb-4.0?08:34
crimsunzyga: what about it?08:34
zygacrimsun: there is none for ubuntu, can't it go to backports or someplace like it?08:35
crimsun(I presume you mean 0.4)08:35
zyga(yes)08:35
crimsunit won't be autobuilt for backports from breezy since it's not in breezy, but it may be done by some other method. You might want to check with Mez.08:36
zygaI've just built gb on hoary i386 (I can also build for amd64)08:36
zygaIt's not debianized yet but that can probably be taken from 3.008:36
zygaer 0.308:36
zygacrimsun: any reason why it's not in breezy?08:37
crimsunwe're already semi-UVF08:37
zygaUVF?08:38
crimsunlooking at the changes for 0.4, there are some rather important fixes, so if other MOTUs agree, I don't mind seeing 0.4 in Breezy08:38
crimsun(upstream version freeze)08:38
zygacrimsun: ah08:38
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zygacrimsun: breezy would be bad without 0.4 IMHO :)08:38
jeffmhey guys08:39
zygahi jeffm08:39
jeffmubuntu supports dual screens right?08:39
zygajeffm: I'm woring on a dual monitor setup ATM08:40
crimsunjeffm: X.org does, yes.08:40
jeffmAT The Moment?08:40
jeffmthanks guys08:40
zygajeffm: yes08:41
jeffmk08:41
zygawhat is 'k' exactly :>08:41
zyga?08:41
jeffm?08:41
zygajeffm: what does 'k' mean?08:42
jeffmin KDE>08:42
jeffm?08:42
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zygano.. in your message08:42
zyga20:41 < jeffm> k08:42
jeffmits short for O.K08:42
jeffmwhich is short for Okay08:43
ograwhich is short for "agreed" :)08:43
jeffmyeah08:43
jeffmor serves as acknowledgement08:43
ograwow, so many words in only one letter08:44
zygaokay :>08:44
jeffmlol08:44
jeffmwhat is this X.org stuff?08:44
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jeffmim on the site now08:44
zygajeffm: x.org is your x server, it does support mulit-head setups via xinerama08:44
jeffmso that is build into Ubuntu?08:45
zygajeffm: this really is more suited on #ubuntu though08:45
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jeffmok08:46
zygajeffm: yes it is, it works but there is no gui for it08:46
jeffmso what de we tlak about here?08:46
jeffm*talk08:46
jeffm*do08:46
jeffmlol08:46
zygauniverse08:47
jeffmohhh O.o08:47
ograespecially its expansion ... and how to fix it08:48
jeffmoh nice08:48
jeffmyou guys rock08:48
ogra:)08:48
jeffmim so glad that there is a viable alternative to M$08:48
zygahow do I update various sha/md5 sums in .dsc files?08:48
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ograzyga, you rebuild the source package08:49
zygaogra: so apt-getting source gnomebaker, extracting debian directory, removing patches and moving it to gnomebaker-0.4 is enough to debianize?08:49
zygaokay some patches should stay...08:50
ograyou weill need to make version specific adjustments ... but you can do it along this lines08:50
ograalternatively run dh_make and copy over the bits and pieces you want from the other version08:51
zygaogra: I'm not sure how to adjust build-deps, it did build on hoary with previous gnomebaker deps though08:51
zygaogra: thanks, I'll try08:51
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zygadh_make is really nice :>08:54
zygaogra: keeping old changelog + adding new entry is okay for a version change?08:56
zygaogra: and what should I do with maintainer field from debian.control?08:57
ograhmm, i would make a new changelog for a completely new package, else i'd use the old one and just announce the new upsteam version08:58
crimsunI'm already updating gnomebaker, zyga.08:58
mbreitlamont: are you still around?08:58
lamontnever.08:58
lamont:-)08:58
crimsun(just running through the pbuild now)08:58
ograif you reuse nearly everything, leave it like it is... if you build from scratch, add yourself08:58
zygacrimsun: :-)08:58
zygacrimsun: there is no need to do any work :) ?08:59
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zygacrimsun: I'd love to help you know :)08:59
lamontmbreit: what did you need?08:59
mbreitlamont: could you remove dep-wait on gltron? i just checked again, and it builds in pbuilder, without dependency problems08:59
crimsunwb jani09:00
janimonoses:)09:00
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janimonoseshw failure09:00
janimonosesluckily temporary only09:00
crimsunjanimonoses: :/09:00
crimsunre dholbach09:00
dholbachre :)09:00
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janimonosescrimsun, I thought I asked elmo to sync xffm4 but looks like I forgot09:01
mbreithi dholbach09:02
dholbachhey moritz09:02
mbreitdholbach: what happens to packages on revu with 3 votes?09:02
dholbachit should be uploaded straightawway09:02
dholbach:)09:02
mbreitwell, i have 3 votes...09:02
dholbachexcellent09:02
dholbachshall i do it?09:02
mbreitand i think i am whitelisted already09:02
dholbachsuper09:03
dholbachi'll upload it then09:03
mbreitperfect! ;)09:03
janimonosescrimsun, shall I ask him now?09:03
mbreitthen i will start with new packages tomorrow ;)09:03
dholbachmbreit: that's the spirit09:04
zygacrimsun: updated package will be available in breezy?09:04
zygacrimsun: (or rather, where will it be available)09:04
mbreitdholbach: yea... it's the "i wanna be a motu" spirit *g*09:04
dholbachROCK'N'ROLL!09:04
mbreitahhhhhh grrrrr.... wft?09:05
mbreithow can a package build in pbuilder when i can't install the build-depends on my normal breezy system?09:06
dholbachRiddell: could you please kick the packages from REVU, you uploaded?09:06
crimsunjanimonoses: not sure if you saw my last post09:06
crimsunjanimonoses: doesn't look like xffm4 is actually being built at all09:06
dholbachmbreit: depends vs build-depends?09:06
janimonosesno, I am just looking at the irclogs09:06
crimsunjanimonoses: but the 4.2.2-1 files are already there.09:06
mbreitdholbach: just build-depends... i have a dep-wait on gltron..09:07
janimonosescrimsun, why arent' they built?09:07
ograRiddell, ping09:07
mbreitbut i did a pbuilder update and a pbuilder build and that worked without problems... then i did a apt-get install libgl-dev  (which is the build-dep in question) but it does not want to install it09:08
crimsunjanimonoses: I have no idea :/  There's nothing in the build logs.09:08
crimsunjanimonoses: xffm4 does not appear to be dep-wait on something either, and it built in both i386 and amd64 breezy pbuilders.09:08
janimonosesso how do we know it was synced?09:09
janimonosesit's not on the ongoing-merge page either09:10
dholbachi absolutely despise "sponsored upload for x.y.z" - there is  debuild -kyour@mail.adress , guys09:10
sivangdholbach: Hi there Daniel09:10
sivangdholbach: 'sup?09:11
dholbachhey sivang :)09:11
sivangdholbach: how is your autotools foo lately? :)09:11
dholbachsivang: not better - did a lot of other stuff in between09:11
janimonosesrigth so xffm4 source package is in the archive09:12
dholbachsivang: how are you?09:12
crimsunjanimonoses: yep, I think that got cut off when your client pinged out09:12
sivangdholbach: trying to find some advice on creating the right autotools foo for a shared lib09:12
dholbachsivang: murray cumming has an excellent article on that - just a sec09:13
sivangdholbach: cool, thanks , should I have used google better ? 0_o09:14
Mezdholbach, the "sponsored upload for x.y.z thing is done cause then you acutally get output from katie09:14
dholbachsivang: it's hard to find09:14
dholbachMez: everybody should asap let their mail adresses whitelist09:15
sivangdholbach: ah ok, just send it up and I'll be greatful :)09:15
Mezdholbach - I only got whitelisted like- 2 days aho09:15
Mezago *09:15
Mezso, if whoever was whitelisting addresses didnt take their time so, then it wouldnt be a problem09:15
dholbachi saw like 20 uploads or so in the last time09:16
dholbachwhitelists should be done by then09:16
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dholbachyou can always re-ask09:16
dholbachsivang: http://www.openismus.com/documents/linux/using_libraries/using_libraries.shtml09:16
ograMez, i'm telling you since some time to contact elmo to getyour key and whitelisting sorted, please do so09:16
sivangdholbach: thanks you very much09:16
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dholbachsivang: and the links from there - murrayc rocks09:16
sivangdholbach: how did you come across this article ?09:16
sivangdholbach: is he a MOTU ?09:17
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dholbachsivang: i know murrayc - no he is gnome-c++ :)09:17
Mezogra: and I've been trying for some time to contact him... I've got my whitelisting... but not my key09:17
dholbachmaybe you forgot the magic words :-p09:17
ogra:)09:17
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janimonoseslamont, any idea why xffm4 does not enter the build?09:18
MezI would keep emailing him and stuff, but, I dont want to annoy him09:18
ograMez, email him09:18
dholbachMez: don't worry - he's just incredibly busy - busier than anybody else you know, mail him, be nice, he'll understand09:19
Mezogra, I already have :D09:19
dholbachand we have to other packages that are ready for upload09:19
MezI dont think anyones key from the last TB meeting has been sorted yet09:19
ogrado it again then or catch him on irc... i've seen him around several times today09:19
dholbach1) mbreit and gnomeradio09:19
dholbachand to others, which i will take care of09:19
dholbachExpandingUniverse, baby! :)09:20
Mezogra: I he never seems to reply to me on IRC - even if he's ther e:d09:20
Mezbut, I'll email again09:20
janimonosesMez, indeed elmo is very busy09:20
janimonosesI've been after him almost two weeks for the xfce4 sync ;)09:20
MezI know he's very busy :D09:20
ograMez, you are the backports team currently... getting your key sorted is a essential thing09:20
janimonoseshe's nice but busy09:20
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dholbachdoes ivoks has his key sorted out yet?09:22
dholbachs/has/have09:22
Mezwhat's his real name?09:23
ograjames troup09:23
ogra?09:23
Mezivoks :P09:23
ograor do you mean ivoks09:23
janimonosesante karamatic I think09:23
ograAnteKaramatic09:24
ograyup09:24
Mezhe doesnt seem to have any uploads yet (not even sponsored ones09:24
dholbachhe does09:24
Meznot sinceth09:25
Mez14th *09:25
ograhe's on holiday09:25
Mezah09:26
dholbachi'll upload his wifi-radar09:26
dholbachrejoice - finally - users will love to see it09:27
crimsungreat :)09:27
dholbachit's UP!09:28
mbreitoh, i just looked at the wifi-radar homepage... looks very promising...09:28
dholbachwoohoo09:28
mbreitthat would be a reason to upgrade my laptop to breezy this weekend ;)09:28
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dholbachi won't upload python-pyrtf-0.45 yet - i'm not sure about how bdddebian and tritium are going to settle the maintainership of it09:30
dholbachbut that's rocking09:32
dholbach2 new packages up!09:32
dholbachyou can't believe how good that feels - the review process works09:32
dholbachat least a bit it does :)09:32
mbreitand i hope to create 2 new packages at the weekend ;) so there's always something to review ;)09:32
dholbachwhat are you going to work on?09:33
dholbachmbreit: i'm not complaining about not having enough work :)09:33
mbreitspe and sonance... but i promise nothing...09:33
dholbachah... oculd it be they're on UniverseCandidates or something?09:34
mbreitdholbach: i will also help with the unmet dependencies...09:34
mbreitdholbach: yes, they are...09:34
janimonosesdholbach, did the ubuntu-motu ml idea get dropped?09:34
dholbachjanimonoses: yes09:34
dholbachjanimonoses: unfortunately so09:34
janimonosesso motu mails go to devel?09:34
dholbachjanimonoses: but we'll have a bug mailing list for universe09:34
dholbachjanimonoses: yes09:34
dholbachjanimonoses: and if you report about something crazy, include ubuntu-users - we want  press  everywhere :)09:35
janimonoses;)09:35
dholbachmbreit: make sure you tick them off09:35
dholbachmbreit: on UniverseCandidates09:35
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mbreitdholbach: i moved them down to the "already handeld" list09:36
dholbachsuper09:37
blueyedI had compiled/packages Apache2 from source for myself, because of another configure option to suexec. What's the easiest way know to upgrade to the latest security release?09:37
blueyeds/packages/packaged/09:37
ograget the new source and compile it ?09:38
dholbachblueyed: sudo apt-get install devscripts; sudo apt-get build-dep <package>; apt-get source <package>; cd <package-dir>; debuild; sudo debi09:38
kungkanghey all, why is gedit-dev in universe when gedit is in main? there also seems to be a version inconsistency between them so gedit-dev is not installable.09:38
dholbachkungkang: to the first part of the question: that's quite common - main should be as small as possible (to fit on a CD or something)09:39
dholbachkungkang: to the second part: could be build problems - what architecture are you on?09:40
kungkangi38609:40
crimsunkungkang: for hoary/amd64, Candidate: 2.10.2-0ubuntu209:40
crimsunI don't see any version mismatch.09:40
mbreitlamont: did you remove the dep-wait for gltron? or is it on dep-wait _again_?09:40
kungkanggedit is ubuntu2, but gedit-dev is ubuntu1 according to my synaptic09:40
dholbachdo apt-get udpate again09:40
lamontmbreit: what was it dep-wait on?09:41
crimsunkungkang: you need to refresh. hoary-security has ubuntu209:41
kungkangcrimsun: ah! i did not have hoary-security! thanks09:41
tsengmbreit: you are working on sonace?09:41
mbreitit sais libgl-dev... but it build depends on xlibmesa-gl-dev09:41
mbreit, works perfectly in pbuilder09:41
tsengsonance09:41
lamontmbreit: I did not - no one asked...09:41
lamontiz done now09:41
mbreitlamont: i asked you just a few minutes ago?09:42
blueyeddholbach: Thanks. Before "debuild" I'd patch the debian/rules file again, right?09:42
mbreitlamont: directly after you said "mbreit: what did you need?"09:42
dholbachblueyed: yes, exactly09:42
lamontbradb: sorry - it scrolled off and I missed it.09:43
mbreittseng: yes, i want to package that, why to you ask?09:43
tsengmbreit: because its a mono app09:43
mbreittseng: does that matter?09:43
mbreittseng: i love mono....09:44
tsengyes09:44
mbreitwhy?09:44
tsengthat is my main area, I can help you09:44
mbreitoh, that would be nice ;)09:44
janimonoseslamont, any idea why xffm4 does not enter the build?09:45
dholbachjanimonoses: new binary packages?09:45
janimonoseseven though 4.2.2-1 source is in the archive09:45
janimonosesnope there was an xffm4 -- .deb already09:46
janimonosesit used epoch if that matters09:46
lamontjanimonoses: nothing springs to mind... but it doesn't appear in the w-b output, which would tend to point towards the archive mangement stuff..09:46
lamontsince "not in w-b" --> never tried.09:46
janimonosesthere was a source called xffm which built xffm4 binary09:47
mbreitlamont: btw: can you help with a "Not-For-Us" status? do you know where that comes from and what i can to that the package builds?09:47
tsengso xffm4 is NEW?09:47
janimonosesnow there's a source called xfmm4 which builds same binary09:47
tsengthat is your problem.09:47
janimonosestseng, not really09:47
tsengyes really09:47
janimonosesapt-cache show xffm409:47
tsengSource: xffm09:48
janimonosesbut the source was xffm and now it would be xffm409:48
lamontNFU means that the buildd admin manually said "leave me alone, package"09:48
tsengso its a new source09:48
crimsun(Warty had a binary xffm4 that comes from xffm4 source)09:48
tsengits in NEW09:48
tsengit needs manual approval09:48
tsengto enter buildd09:48
lamontin this particular case, it means that the package was put on hold its dependencies were all done with the g++-4.0 transition] 09:48
tsengcrimsun: eh?09:49
janimonosesactually there was an xffm4 source too for xfce4.009:49
tsengwow.09:49
crimsunjanimonoses: yep, that was Warty.09:49
mbreitlamont: who can change that? i have fixed that package for gcc4, but it's still on NFU09:49
janimonosesso a packages NEW-ness is reset on starting a new release cycle?09:49
lamontare all of it's dependencies current in the archive?09:49
mbreityes09:50
crimsunjanimonoses: I wouldn't think so...09:50
lamontjanimonoses: NEW is a function of a.u.c/ubuntu/indices/override.${dist}....09:50
mbreitlamont: it builds in pbuilder and is reviewed by a motu...09:50
janimonosesso why is xffm4 considered new if there was already a source named like that?09:50
lamontand generally that begins with what the previous release had and gets added to09:50
crimsunjanimonoses: I don't think it's considered NEW, because Warty had it. There seems to be something else holding it back.09:51
lamontmbreit: infinity was dealing with NFU stuff - I'll poke him to review all of them and see what else can be given back...09:51
lamont(that is, the class needs review, not just the one instance)09:51
mbreitlamont: thanks!09:51
janimonosescrimsun, lamont just said something re previous release, maybe NEWness gets reset?09:51
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mbreitahhh... gltron is build... thanks again, lamont09:52
lamontmbreit: which package, btw09:52
lamont?09:52
mbreitlamont: noteedit09:52
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Mezhmmles09:53
Mezgetting some weird errors whiel trying to update09:54
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dholbachdo we have a netinst image or something?09:55
ograyes09:56
ogradont ask for a url though09:56
ograthere was a post to u-d with the url the last days09:56
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ogratseng, just for the record, YOU ROCK !10:18
tsengogra: do I?10:18
ograi just realized that my f-spot on amd64 runs rock solid !!10:18
tsenghah sweet dude10:18
ograyeah :)10:18
ograhmm, slideshow doesnt work, i guess thats an X issue10:20
ograhmm,and fullscreen shows a question mark...10:21
mbreitwell, fullscreen works here without any problem (f-spot on amd64)10:24
tsengogra: right now im trying to hack muine-inotify for new inotify in breezy10:24
ogrambreit, fully up to date ?10:25
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ograi obvously only have the thimbnail view available, everything else shows just a question mark...10:26
mbreitogra: update half an hour ago10:26
ograhmm... propbably i flddled to much with the mono stuff in the past10:26
mbreitslideshow as well as fullscreen mode work like a charm...10:26
ograoki,so i suspect my setup10:27
mbreitbut it does not work rock solid.... it just crashed...10:28
ograit works rock solid here, i never could ues it longer then 5mins without crash10:29
ograwe shoudl merge :)10:29
mbreitcrashed again... that seems to be a problem with one picture i have... in thumbnail view, it is shown landscape, if i open it, its portrait... if i open another photo after that, it crashes10:30
mbreitit seems that it also crashes when rotating some picture... so it's definitly not "rock solid"....10:31
mbreitbut tseng does a great job anyway ;)10:32
ograit just doesnt rotate here... but doesnt crash10:32
mbreithmmm10:32
ografunny10:32
mbreitahh... i want the -44 xorg version....10:33
Nafallouhm10:36
Nafallois it just me or is gnomebaker's deps way off?10:37
Nafallojackd for example?10:37
ogrambreit, not for us... and daniels ejoys his weekend already ::::/10:37
Nafallogstreamer0.8-polypaudio? :-P10:37
ograwow, i'm an eight eyed alien today.. my broken keyboard is funny sometimes10:38
mbreitogra: i know.... but i want my television back... and -44 finally includes the v4l-module....10:38
Nafallohmm10:39
dholbachmbreit: throw away your television :)10:40
Nafalloupdate-notifier doesn't work for me :-/10:40
mbreitdholbach: my television is my pc...  i just want to be able to watch tv... and therefor i need the v4l module10:41
dholbachi see10:42
Riddellogra: hi10:50
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mbreiti need a motu to review and upload a drpython-fix... won't take long, just a small debdiff...11:19
dholbachmbreit: link? :)11:20
mbreithttp://ubuntu.mobr.de/sources/debdiffs/drpython_3.10.13-1ubuntu1.debdiff11:20
dholbachhow nice does it work?11:21
mbreitvery nice ;)11:21
dholbachdid you very absolutely well test it?11:21
dholbach:)11:21
dholbachyou will receive all following bug reports :)11:21
mbreitwell, i build it, i started it, i loaded a file, and it was still running ;)11:21
dholbachhttp://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/d/drpython/drpython_3.10.13-2/changelog :)11:22
mbreitwtf?11:22
dholbachsounds like a sync from debian experimental was in order :)11:23
dholbachsorry for that :)11:23
mbreityeah... damn...11:23
mbreitdholbach: it's not your fault... i should have looked in debian experimental11:23
dholbachbe sure to mail james.troup@canonical.com to sync it11:24
dholbachdon't worry11:24
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dholbachit's just the thing what i learnt from all the MergeOMatic business11:24
mbreitjames.troup? why him?11:25
dholbachhe's elmo11:25
dholbachbecause he does syncs... in general11:25
mbreitoh, okay11:25
mbreitso i have to write him an email that he should sync drpython with debian experimental?11:26
dholbachyes... and add a "please" somewhere - and tell that their fix works nicely for you :)11:27
mbreithehe... okay, i'll do that11:27
ograand that dholbach approved the UVF override ;)11:28
mbreituvf?11:28
ograupastream version freeze11:28
ograupstream11:28
mbreitwell, it's no new upstream version?11:28
ograall new upstream versions need approval since some weeks11:28
dholbachit's just a debian fix11:29
dholbachnot a new version11:29
ograoh...11:29
ograi thought its a newversion... then forget about it11:29
mbreitokay, email is on the way..11:33
JanCnew drpython package depending on wxpython 2.6 ?  nice :)11:39
mbreityes... and that works quite well11:39
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mbreitgoing to bed now... good night everybody!12:00
dholbachsleep tight moritz12:00
mbreitthanks12:01
herzidholbach: ping12:05
dholbachpong12:05
dholbachherzi: pong :)12:06

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