| dholbach | so you can relax a bit together | 12:07 |
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| \sh | mbreit: uploaded | 12:07 |
| ogra | dholbach, nah... he should make her MOTU, then she can help here ;) | 12:07 |
| dholbach | ogra: man... :) | 12:07 |
| ogra | :) | 12:08 |
| \sh | dholbach: yeah..later that month..but hell no..I'm on a training *eeks* and then I want to go to berlin to meet treenaks and eventually dholbach ah thats you ;) | 12:08 |
| \sh | ogra: where is your better half to help us here? some rolls and some snacks would be fine ,-) | 12:08 |
| dholbach | \sh: ok :) | 12:08 |
| dholbach | kmess... what a name for a project | 12:09 |
| dholbach | tststs | 12:09 |
| mbreit | \sh: thanks, but my email adress is not yet whitelisted ;) | 12:09 |
| ogra | \sh, i asked her.... she still thinks about the meaning of the words :) | 12:09 |
| \sh | ogra: and actually her son is better in computer then she is...so I will ask her son ;) | 12:09 |
| \sh | ogra: didn't you show here last night, what it means: MOTU? *run'n'hide' | 12:10 |
| ogra | lol | 12:10 |
| ogra | \sh, i sowed her last night what it means if your boyfriend has to build a distro like every night :-P | 12:11 |
| ogra | showed even | 12:11 |
| \sh | ahaha | 12:11 |
| mbreit | oh, xdiskusage failed to compile... we need to tell bddebian about pbuilder ;) | 12:11 |
| \sh | mbreit: please send the patches as well to the debian maintainer :) thx | 12:12 |
| \sh | mbreit: but only the gcc4 amd64 patches | 12:12 |
| \sh | ok...and now...I go and sleep...g'night | 12:13 |
| ajmitch | night \sh | 12:13 |
| mbreit | good night \sh | 12:13 |
| ogra | ciao \sh_away | 12:13 |
| dholbach | ok i did 5 reviews today - that's just like review day :) | 12:15 |
| mbreit | dholbach: i think you are the only one doing reviews atm... | 12:17 |
| dholbach | shall i take a leaf out of \sh's book and go to bed early or do something else? | 12:17 |
| Mez | o_O | 12:17 |
| Mez | my name shows up :D | 12:18 |
| dholbach | mbreit: Riddell, siretart, ivoks, Mez and slomo did some as well | 12:18 |
| Mez | hehe :D | 12:18 |
| Mez | I dont know if thats just cause I'm whitelisted or cause I've been added, but yay my name shows up | 12:18 |
| mbreit | dholbach: i said atm... i know that slomo did many reviews... and siretart as well | 12:18 |
| dholbach | maybe there were not as much as anal as i was :) | 12:18 |
| Riddell | but dholbach is the best at it :) | 12:18 |
| mbreit | but atm slomo is on holiday and siretart works on his theses.. | 12:18 |
| dholbach | Riddell: sorry for keeping the kde apps from being uploaded :) | 12:18 |
| dholbach | Riddell: but it's not just them - i just thought you suffer most from that part of the story | 12:19 |
| Mez | dholbach, = uber scary reviewer | 12:19 |
| mbreit | Riddell: if you want to get better, there is my gnomeradio package waiting for a few votes ;) | 12:19 |
| dholbach | sorry for that | 12:19 |
| === dholbach lends Mez a "" :) | ||
| Mez | dholbach, i cant be bothered to remember the code for it | 12:20 |
| dholbach | Mez: don't worry | 12:20 |
| Mez | dholbach or load up kcharmap | 12:20 |
| Riddell | mbreit: hmm, that sounds like gnome to me | 12:20 |
| === ajmitch wishes this terminal did utf-8 :) | ||
| mbreit | Riddell: if you want a kde package, there is my noteedit debdiff ;)) | 12:21 |
| dholbach | Riddell: slacker - i reviewed quite a bunch of kde apps :-p | 12:21 |
| dholbach | majic: ah ok | 12:24 |
| majic | dholbach, it's seeming a bit overwhelming with all the information out there on net about package creation. There is quite a bit of information overload. | 12:25 |
| dholbach | majic: absolutely | 12:25 |
| dholbach | majic: we use REVU as a tool to review packages and give hints on what to do with them | 12:25 |
| dholbach | dh_make is a good start to get templates for the stuff in the debian/ directory | 12:26 |
| majic | okay, hypothetically if I built a package how do I know that I've built it correctly (in terms of fitting into the Ubuntu way of doing things) | 12:26 |
| dholbach | and on REVU (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU has some info on it) you can see quite a lot of source packages, which are in different states of quality | 12:26 |
| dholbach | majic: we review it, pbuilder is a nice tool to make sure it builds on a build daemon (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto) | 12:27 |
| dholbach | majic: and lintian/linda are tools which help you to get a clue of what goes wrong too | 12:27 |
| dholbach | majic: we added some tips on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingTips as well | 12:27 |
| dholbach | majic: but first i'd apt-get source a similar package and have a look at that | 12:28 |
| === Mez has never used apt-get source in his life | ||
| dholbach | Mez: MAN! :) how do you check debdiffs against a current version? :) | 12:29 |
| Mez | dholbach, I wget :D | 12:29 |
| majic | dholbach, thanks | 12:29 |
| === dholbach shakes head disbelievingly | ||
| dholbach | :-) | 12:29 |
| dholbach | majic: anytime | 12:29 |
| Mez | I've never done anything other than that :D | 12:29 |
| Mez | lol | 12:29 |
| dholbach | majic: #ubuntu-motu is the place to be to get you there | 12:29 |
| Mez | mainly cause I used to (until recently) be on hoary :d | 12:29 |
| majic | yeah I'm looking into using Pbuilder and have successfully built 2 packages with it. The breezy Ruby package and another one. | 12:29 |
| dholbach | majic: super | 12:29 |
| majic | I can't learn this stuff fast enough =) | 12:30 |
| majic | I wanna help out so damn bad, haha. | 12:30 |
| dholbach | majic: you'll make it, definitely and sooner than you think, i'm quite sure | 12:30 |
| dholbach | majic: helping out in fixing build-dependencies and rebuilding stuff (in the motu crew) helped me to get a feel for it | 12:31 |
| majic | I would help out with the UnmetDeps (I think that's what you guys are calling it) but I don't have time to play with Breezy right now. | 12:32 |
| dholbach | majic: building in a breezy pbuilder (and making sure they're installable in a breezy chroot) should be cool too, but you might get other views on where you could help out in here, too | 12:33 |
| ajmitch | majic: don't worry, you can get in quicker as a MOTU than in debian ;) | 12:36 |
| majic | I think I'll look around for some software that isn't packaged and try to package it up | 12:36 |
| CarlFK | when making a deb, where are the configure parameters stored? | 12:36 |
| === ajmitch probably holds a record for debian | ||
| ajmitch | CarlFK: debian/rules | 12:36 |
| tseng | ajmitch: understatement for the win. | 12:36 |
| ajmitch | tseng: it took me 3+ years for debian | 12:36 |
| tseng | rock on. | 12:36 |
| CarlFK | tx | 12:36 |
| tseng | meebey is going on 6 months | 12:37 |
| Burgundavia | ajmitch, why did it take you so long? | 12:37 |
| majic | and then I'll ask for some people to review it, see if it looks good and is in the Ubuntu way of doing things. But before all that I have alot of reading to do =) | 12:37 |
| ajmitch | Received application 2001-12-11 | 12:37 |
| ajmitch | Account Created 2005-02-03 | 12:37 |
| ajmitch | Burgundavia: Real Life intervened ;) | 12:37 |
| dholbach | i wonder how long it will take me | 12:37 |
| === Burgundavia keeps meaning to learn how to package, it might take him that long too | ||
| ajmitch | my AM was jordi, he was quite good about it | 12:38 |
| ajmitch | so it took me over 3 years before I met him in person :) | 12:38 |
| dholbach | hehe :) | 12:39 |
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| tseng | you have to meet your am? | 12:39 |
| ajmitch | not at all | 12:39 |
| tseng | yeah. | 12:39 |
| ajmitch | but jordi was at UDU | 12:39 |
| tseng | yes. | 12:39 |
| tseng | sortof | 12:39 |
| ajmitch | heh | 12:39 |
| tseng | zombie jordi | 12:39 |
| ajmitch | poor guy | 12:39 |
| tseng | xfce 4.2 is pretty rad | 12:40 |
| tseng | i dont think ill replace gnome, but eh | 12:40 |
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| tseng | its fun | 12:40 |
| dholbach | i'm off to bed pals - see you around | 12:41 |
| crimsun | cya dholbach | 12:41 |
| mbreit | night dholbach | 12:41 |
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| ajmitch | tseng: I found it pretty good, still prefer a nice gnome desktop though | 12:43 |
| ajmitch | wishing I had one here at work | 12:43 |
| whiprush | evening folks | 12:43 |
| whiprush | tseng: you live! | 12:44 |
| ajmitch | whiprush! | 12:44 |
| tseng | whiprush: i am tough as nails | 12:44 |
| whiprush | heh | 12:44 |
| tseng | hm where did that last upload go to | 12:45 |
| mbreit | why does gltron not show up in the build logs? it was accepted before the packages like qsynth... | 12:45 |
| ajmitch | tseng: check breezy/unstable in changelog | 12:46 |
| tseng | ajmitch: ah-right | 12:46 |
| ajmitch | it's the most common mistake I make | 12:46 |
| Riddell | universe/games/gltron_0.70final-5build3: Dep-Wait by buildd+terranova [optional:out-of-date] | 12:46 |
| Riddell | Dependencies: libgl-dev | 12:46 |
| tseng | REJECT THIS, JACKASS | 12:46 |
| Riddell | mbreit: is it dep-waiting libgl-dev? | 12:46 |
| whiprush | ok, this gnome-screensaver lock dialog is dead sexy. | 12:46 |
| mbreit | hmm.. does that mean that it will be build after libgl-dev? | 12:47 |
| mbreit | and where can i get that message from? | 12:47 |
| Riddell | mbreit: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/buildLogs/Lists/breezy.all.i386 | 12:48 |
| Riddell | mbreit: it might mean that, or it might mean there's a problem with the build daemons | 12:48 |
| Riddell | mbreit: so, is a sufficient version of libgl-dev built? | 12:48 |
| Burgundavia | whiprush, what is the point of the count down thing? | 12:48 |
| mbreit | Riddell: i don't know... | 12:49 |
| ajmitch | whiprush: heard any news about TheFridge from jdub? | 12:49 |
| whiprush | No idea, other than most lockdown stuff has always had one. | 12:49 |
| whiprush | ajmitch: I sent him a note yesterday. | 12:49 |
| Burgundavia | whiprush, never mind | 12:49 |
| whiprush | elmo got a linode all set up | 12:49 |
| ajmitch | great | 12:49 |
| Riddell | mbreit: well what version of libgl-dev does it need? | 12:49 |
| whiprush | so I'm assuming it's still a go after Mr. IGotAndAwardWorhipMe gets home. :) | 12:50 |
| Burgundavia | we have somebody on the forums about to start there own site, plus spreadubuntu | 12:50 |
| Burgundavia | whiprush, rofl | 12:50 |
| tseng | whiprush: its ready to go live? | 12:50 |
| whiprush | tseng: hahahahaha. | 12:50 |
| whiprush | right. | 12:50 |
| ajmitch | ready to start development, you mean | 12:51 |
| whiprush | yes. | 12:52 |
| mbreit | Riddell: xlibmesa-gl-dev without any spezified version | 12:52 |
| tseng | dude | 12:52 |
| tseng | you guys are slow | 12:52 |
| mbreit | but it seems that xlibmesa-gl is broken atm... | 12:52 |
| tseng | ive built a complex web app from scratch since udu | 12:52 |
| tseng | you guys cant even write a few articles | 12:52 |
| mbreit | that's why bddebian's xdiskusage failed, too | 12:53 |
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| ajmitch | whiprush: right, so when can we start the jdub fanboy club on the fridge? | 12:53 |
| whiprush | Well, the writing isn't a problem for me. | 12:53 |
| ajmitch | tseng: yeah, that's what I get paid to work on too :P | 12:53 |
| whiprush | though, if it takes us more than a few days to slap some ubuntu art on drupal then yes, it will be sad. | 12:54 |
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| ajmitch | who's doing the artwork though? | 12:55 |
| whiprush | I saw some mockups from andy right after udu. | 12:55 |
| whiprush | dunno though, I assumed him and jdub were working that out. | 12:55 |
| Riddell | mbreit: there's no such package as libgl-dev | 12:55 |
| ajmitch | ah good | 12:55 |
| Burgundavia | whiprush, andy was working on look and feel, afaik | 12:55 |
| mbreit | Riddell, there is also no build-dep to that... just to xlibmesa-gl-dev | 12:56 |
| ajmitch | I'd hate for a prominent site to look like the rear end of a bus | 12:56 |
| whiprush | heh | 12:56 |
| tseng | andy++ | 12:56 |
| Burgundavia | ajmitch, can I quote you on that? | 12:56 |
| ajmitch | Burgundavia: if you wish | 12:56 |
| Riddell | mbreit: looks like a problem with the build daemons then, poke lamont | 12:57 |
| ajmitch | does lamont still get paid to do all this ubuntu work? | 12:58 |
| ajmitch | or is it just of love, I wonder? | 12:58 |
| lamont | ajmitch: love | 12:59 |
| ajmitch | lamont: your dedication is impressive | 12:59 |
| tseng | meh, what does MOTU work for | 01:00 |
| tseng | but definately a big lamont++ | 01:00 |
| lamont | hehe | 01:00 |
| ajmitch | we work for fame & glory, of course | 01:00 |
| ajmitch | or bugreports | 01:00 |
| Riddell | wow, dholbach approved gnomeradio. that's the first package I've seen him approve | 01:00 |
| lamont | actually, much of what I'm doing now is driven by getting the hppa and ia64 ports happy, as well as just doing fun cool stuff. | 01:00 |
| lamont | the crap work I give to infinity. :-P | 01:00 |
| whiprush | heh | 01:01 |
| mbreit | Riddell: it a very clean small package... but i needed to change some things to make dholbach happy ;) | 01:02 |
| Riddell | how does gnome stuff get from Makefile.am to Makefile.in? | 01:02 |
| ajmitch | oh evil, breezy goal meeting at 3AM local time | 01:02 |
| mbreit | Riddell: i think they have a autogen-script in cvs that is deleted before making release-tarballs | 01:04 |
| Riddell | hmm, so if the packages has to fix Makefile.am then you're screwed | 01:04 |
| Mez | tseng: ping | 01:04 |
| tseng | yes | 01:04 |
| tseng | i see you | 01:05 |
| Mez | ah ok | 01:05 |
| tseng | the packages are fine in breezy | 01:05 |
| tseng | if he wants to just install those | 01:05 |
| mbreit | Riddell: have you seen my noteedit patch? | 01:05 |
| mbreit | thats exactly the problem there... | 01:05 |
| mbreit | i needed to patch configure.in.in... and then let debian/rules rebuild the configure-script | 01:06 |
| mbreit | Riddell: http://ubuntu.mobr.de/sources/debdiffs/noteedit_2.7.1-2ubuntu1.debdiff you would make me very happy if you could review (and eventually upload) that ;) | 01:07 |
| Riddell | still on gnomeradio, all these gnome deps take ages to install | 01:08 |
| mbreit | Riddell: oh, did not know that... then thanks for doing that! | 01:08 |
| ogra | Riddell, nah, they are preinstalled :) | 01:10 |
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| CarlFK | woo! | 01:12 |
| CarlFK | ../transcode_1.0.0-0.1_i386.deb | 01:12 |
| CarlFK | it built! | 01:12 |
| Riddell | mbreit: what is /usr/share/omf/gnomeradio/gnomeradio-C.omf ? | 01:13 |
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| mbreit | it looks like the users manual | 01:15 |
| schweeb | hey all | 01:16 |
| mbreit | Riddell: it's actually a part of that | 01:16 |
| Riddell | I know, but what is omf? | 01:17 |
| mbreit | open source metadata framework | 01:19 |
| Riddell | gosh. what's one of them? | 01:19 |
| Riddell | approved by the way :) | 01:19 |
| mbreit | oh, thanks! | 01:19 |
| mbreit | btw: omf has something to do with scrollkeeper | 01:20 |
| Riddell | don't know what that is either | 01:22 |
| mbreit | scrollkeeper is a system for managing document metadata.. | 01:23 |
| mbreit | it keeps track of all available gnome documentation (manuals) for the gnome help browser... | 01:24 |
| Riddell | mbreit: quite an ugly debdiff that | 01:28 |
| mbreit | i know... | 01:28 |
| Riddell | mbreit: no need to build-dep on autoconf2.13 and autoconf | 01:28 |
| Riddell | mbreit: and build-dep on automake1.9 not automake | 01:28 |
| mbreit | well, yes, there is need to do that | 01:28 |
| mbreit | cause i had to change configure.in.in... | 01:28 |
| mbreit | so configure needs to be regenerated | 01:29 |
| Riddell | mbreit: I mean it has both autoconf2.13 and autoconf, only 1 needed | 01:29 |
| mbreit | okay, i see... | 01:29 |
| Riddell | mbreit: also you add make -f admin/Makefile.common cvs to the build target | 01:30 |
| Riddell | mbreit: but your 03 patch already contains all the changes made by that | 01:30 |
| mbreit | no, the 03 patch just changes the admin/acinclude.m4.in by that from kde svn | 01:32 |
| mbreit | nothing more | 01:32 |
| Riddell | ah ok | 01:32 |
| majic | it's funny, there is a package in debian for some software I wrote and have been maintaining, there were quite a few patches made and nobody ever bothered to let me know. That's hilarious | 01:35 |
| mbreit | Riddell: fixed the build-dep issues... removed autoconf build dep and changed automake to automake1.9 | 01:37 |
| Mez | majic, lol - thats probably because a lot of upstram authors tell DDs to "go away" (thats the polite version) when they try and send patches back | 01:37 |
| ajmitch | Mez: not necessarily | 01:37 |
| Mez | ajmitch, a lot do... | 01:37 |
| Mez | or ignore | 01:37 |
| Mez | or just dont want the packages | 01:37 |
| ajmitch | I've had pretty good luck getting changes upstream | 01:37 |
| majic | I mean it's not a huge deal, but I would have appreciated an email. I could have incorporated these changes | 01:38 |
| Mez | or at le least have in the past | 01:38 |
| Mez | majic: yeah, I can understand that, just a lot of DDs dont bother trying anymore cause of previous bad experiences | 01:38 |
| Mez | email the DD who works on it and ask him to mail you packages | 01:38 |
| Mez | patches * | 01:38 |
| ajmitch | for all my packages I solely maintain, I have commit access upstream | 01:38 |
| Mez | what package is it btw majic, out of curiosity | 01:38 |
| Mez | ajmitch, thats you | 01:39 |
| Mez | :P | 01:39 |
| majic | it's a small window manager called aewm++ that was born from yet another small window manager called aewm | 01:39 |
| crimsun | ah, aewm++ | 01:39 |
| crimsun | lots of wms spawned from aewm. | 01:39 |
| Riddell | mbreit: compiles and runs, all looks good. well done | 01:39 |
| mbreit | thanks! so you want to upload that? ;) | 01:40 |
| mbreit | yay, my qcad changes have been build ;) | 01:40 |
| Riddell | mbreit: uploading.. | 01:49 |
| mbreit | cool! | 01:49 |
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| mbreit | Riddell: still uploading? | 02:07 |
| Riddell | mbreit: sorry, got distracted by pbuilding the wrong .dsc file | 02:11 |
| mbreit | no problem | 02:12 |
| mbreit | i was just wondering why it does not show up on breezy-changes | 02:12 |
| Riddell | noteedit_2.7.1-2ubuntu1_source.changes ACCEPTED | 02:16 |
| Riddell | woo | 02:16 |
| mbreit | thanks! | 02:18 |
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| mbreit | hi bddebian | 02:31 |
| mbreit | bddebian: xdiskusage did not build... see buildlogs for the reason... seems to be a broken mesa package | 02:32 |
| mbreit | i am going to bed now... see you all tomorrow... good night | 02:39 |
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| bddebian | Ack, that makes no sense.. | 03:03 |
| bddebian | Why does xdiskusage install clean for me in a clean pbuilder but not normally? | 03:19 |
| ajmitch | because it doesn't like you, of course | 03:33 |
| bddebian | :'-( | 03:33 |
| ajmitch | isn't that your usual response? ;) | 03:33 |
| majic | what exactly does the watch file do in the debian folder of a package? | 03:33 |
| majic | package source that is | 03:34 |
| bddebian | Serously, it installs fine for me in pbuilder after I rebuilt it but the buildlog fails one a depends for xlibmesa-glu | 03:34 |
| ajmitch | lets you watch for upstream updates | 03:34 |
| ajmitch | man uscan for more info, I can't tell you much :) | 03:34 |
| === ajmitch doesn't use them in his packages enough | ||
| majic | ajmitch, how would I know. Would I know only when I build a new package? | 03:35 |
| majic | what exactly let's me know | 03:35 |
| ajmitch | see the manpage.. it's also useful for automated checks in debian | 03:35 |
| bddebian | See ajmitch, you hate me too :-) | 03:35 |
| majic | ajmitch, which manpage? | 03:36 |
| === ajmitch points majic up about 5 lines in his scrollback.. | ||
| ajmitch | man uscan | 03:36 |
| majic | oh, I thought you were talking to somebody else | 03:36 |
| majic | uscan - looked like some scanner tools (as in like an HP scanjet) | 03:37 |
| bddebian | heh | 03:37 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: nah, not at all, you're just paranoid ;) | 03:37 |
| majic | haha | 03:37 |
| majic | hmm, looks like I don't have uscan installed | 03:38 |
| ajmitch | apt-get install devscripts | 03:38 |
| ajmitch | devscripts is a very useful & important package for package development | 03:38 |
| majic | hmm, I didn't run across that yet mentioned in the wiki. My reading comprehension sucks probably. | 03:39 |
| ajmitch | perhaps not everyone uses it, but I can't live without it :) | 03:39 |
| === bddebian thinks he'll make an MOTUWannabeTips wiki :-) | ||
| ajmitch | bddebian: great, please put all these comments there | 03:39 |
| bddebian | OK. Any idea about my problem? | 03:41 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: it's broken | 03:43 |
| ajmitch | check that your pbuilder is up to date | 03:43 |
| bddebian | I just updated before trying it again | 03:43 |
| ajmitch | since building with an out-of-date pbuilder can mislead you | 03:43 |
| bddebian | I just updated before trying it again | 03:45 |
| ajmitch | why are you using xlibmes-glu-dev ? | 03:45 |
| bddebian | All I did was rebuild the package | 03:46 |
| ajmitch | and the build-depends are wrong | 03:46 |
| ajmitch | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUGLUTransition | 03:46 |
| ajmitch | not sure how up-to-date that page is in terms of packages | 03:47 |
| ajmitch | but it has the right build deps | 03:47 |
| bddebian | Sheesh, how am I supposed to keep up with all this shiite? :) | 03:47 |
| gradzac | anyone know where there is a ubuntu rootfs for uml? | 03:47 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: simple, look on the wiki, it has a search feature if you don't get the news about transitions :) | 03:48 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: How would I know what to search for without even knowing it was an issue?? :-) | 03:49 |
| ajmitch | well the build logs just told you that it was an issue | 03:49 |
| bddebian | You are a big help :-) | 03:49 |
| === Mez blogs a lottle respect for elmo | ||
| ajmitch | bddebian: yes, I am | 03:50 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: I am helping you by telling you to look for things when problems occur :) | 03:50 |
| bddebian | :-) | 03:51 |
| bddebian | I still don't get why it installs in my pbuilder though.. | 03:54 |
| ajmitch | installs, or builds? | 03:55 |
| bddebian | installs | 03:56 |
| ajmitch | why would you care about installation, when it's the build that fails? | 03:56 |
| ajmitch | you did test the build in a clean, up-to-date pbuilder, right? | 03:56 |
| bddebian | Yes | 03:56 |
| ajmitch | it can't have been terribly up-to-date if it succeeded with the build-deps still set at xlibmesa-glu-dev | 03:57 |
| Mez | bddebian, are you building ina BREEZY pbuild | 03:58 |
| bddebian | Anyway, xlibmesa-glu-dev build-dep should be xlibmesa-xorg-deb right | 03:58 |
| bddebian | Mez: I have breezy install and breezy pbuilder :-) | 03:58 |
| Mez | bddebian, then how the hell does it build? | 03:58 |
| bddebian | s/-deb/-dev | 03:58 |
| Lathiat | libglu1-xorg-dev or something isnt it? | 03:58 |
| ajmitch | Mez: it shouldn't | 03:58 |
| Mez | bddebian, sudo pbuilder login --save-after-login | 03:59 |
| Lathiat | ajmitch: i thought it should | 03:59 |
| ajmitch | and it won't in any sane chroot or breezy setup | 03:59 |
| Mez | then | 03:59 |
| Mez | apt-cache clean | 03:59 |
| Lathiat | ajmitch: i thought it just upset the buildds | 03:59 |
| ajmitch | Lathiat: not with just xlibmesa-glu-dev | 03:59 |
| ajmitch | afaik | 03:59 |
| ajmitch | Lathiat: there is that possibility | 03:59 |
| Mez | ajmitch, It may if he has the old package installed on the pbuild ;) | 03:59 |
| bddebian | Lathiat: Oh yeah, sorry: libglu1-xorg-dev | 04:00 |
| Mez | bddebian, do the following and paste the output | 04:00 |
| Mez | sudo pbuilder login | 04:00 |
| Mez | dpkg -l xlibmesa-glu-dev | 04:01 |
| Mez | apt-cache madison xlibmesa-glu-dev | 04:01 |
| Mez | just the output from the last 2 commands | 04:01 |
| === ajmitch decides to give up on being a motu for today & retire somewhere | ||
| Mez | to see where they hell you're getting that package from | 04:01 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: :-) | 04:01 |
| Lathiat | wtf is madison? | 04:01 |
| Mez | Lathiat, It's madison the archive managers little sister | 04:02 |
| Mez | as pitti put it | 04:02 |
| bddebian | Mez: dpkg -l yeilds No packages found matching xlibmesa-glu-dev | 04:02 |
| Mez | then how the hell does it build if it's B-D on that | 04:02 |
| Mez | I think someones telling porkys | 04:02 |
| bddebian | I dunno maybe I'm on crack | 04:03 |
| Mez | Lathiat, check man apt-cache | 04:03 |
| Mez | madison's REALLY useful | 04:03 |
| bddebian | madison does yeild a bunch but I don't have it on this machine to dump the output and I aint typing it all :-) | 04:04 |
| Mez | madison shouldnt yield anything | 04:05 |
| ajmitch | somehow there's a xlibmesa-glu-dev binary still in universe, supposedly built from xorg source at 6.8.2-10 | 04:05 |
| ajmitch | at least according to the packages list I have | 04:05 |
| Mez | wait | 04:05 |
| Mez | sorry | 04:05 |
| ajmitch | that's some serious breakage, the binary should be removed | 04:05 |
| Mez | xlibmesa-glu-dev | 6.8.2-10 | http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe Packages | 04:06 |
| ajmitch | Mez: obsolete, it should be removed | 04:06 |
| Mez | ajmitch, good idea | 04:06 |
| === Mez heads off to MorgueCandidates | ||
| ajmitch | unless that was the version in hoary | 04:06 |
| bddebian | So I'm not totally stoned? :-) | 04:06 |
| ajmitch | in which case, it's just the Packages.gz that is wrong | 04:07 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: you are, fix the broken build-depends | 04:07 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: I'm doing that already :-) | 04:07 |
| Mez | ajmitch, it's the same version, but, it's in universe | 04:07 |
| ajmitch | http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=xlibmesa-glu-dev&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all | 04:07 |
| ajmitch | Mez: yep, breakage | 04:07 |
| Mez | ajmitch, yeah, but pool points back to main | 04:08 |
| Mez | ajmitch, you should email elmo about that | 04:08 |
| Mez | it shouldnt have been NEWd in breezt | 04:08 |
| ajmitch | daniels might want to hear about it too | 04:08 |
| Mez | CC | 04:08 |
| Mez | :D | 04:08 |
| ajmitch | go ahead, be my guest | 04:08 |
| ajmitch | I'm just a lowly MOTU | 04:09 |
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| Mez | ajmitch, so am I | 04:14 |
| Mez | you email them :D and tell them | 04:14 |
| Mez | james.troup@ubuntu.com and daniel.stone@ubuntu.com | 04:15 |
| Mez | and CC me | 04:15 |
| === ajmitch isn't a big, important backports developer ;) | ||
| Mez | martin@sourceguru.net | 04:15 |
| Mez | ajmitch, you might not be, but I dont have upload rights and I'm about to go to bed | 04:15 |
| ajmitch | hehe ok | 04:15 |
| Mez | ;) | 04:15 |
| === ajmitch will do it after work | ||
| Mez | I await your CC | 04:15 |
| Mez | g'night | 04:15 |
| === ajmitch could always delegate to bddebian | ||
| ajmitch | ;) | 04:16 |
| ajmitch | night | 04:16 |
| bddebian | Sorry, family came home | 04:17 |
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| bddebian | ajmitch: Did you go too? | 04:55 |
| === ajmitch is doing work | ||
| bddebian | Are you / did you notify the above? | 04:59 |
| ajmitch | no, I didn't, I said I'm at work | 04:59 |
| bddebian | If anyone is bored, could you check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUWannabeTips | 04:59 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Well, you are talking here aren't you?? ;-P | 05:00 |
| ajmitch | " If there was not an ubuntuX version, be sure to downgrade back the epoch version from upstream and add ubuntu1" | 05:01 |
| ajmitch | there is no epoch being changed | 05:01 |
| bddebian | Wrong? | 05:01 |
| ajmitch | epoch has a specific meaning in debian | 05:01 |
| bddebian | If you use dch -i it does, doesn't it? | 05:01 |
| ajmitch | new package from source has -0ubuntu1 version | 05:01 |
| ajmitch | no! | 05:01 |
| bddebian | Are you sure? | 05:01 |
| ajmitch | look up what epoch means in debian & why they should very very rarely be used | 05:02 |
| bddebian | Then what do you call the -X portion of the version, in say 1.0.1-X ? | 05:02 |
| chillywilly | hi | 05:02 |
| bddebian | Heya chillywilly | 05:03 |
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| ajmitch | the revision | 05:03 |
| chillywilly | http://basecamphq.com | 05:03 |
| ajmitch | epoch is like A:x.y.z-1 | 05:03 |
| ajmitch | with the epoch is A | 05:03 |
| ajmitch | http://workshop.linspire.com/package-version-policy.html | 05:03 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Ahh | 05:03 |
| ajmitch | see there for example | 05:04 |
| Amaranth | http://blogs.qtdeveloper.net/archives/2005/08/03/some-basic-thoughts-about-kde-4/ | 05:05 |
| Amaranth | KDE guys start thinking like GNOME guys, oh dear | 05:05 |
| ajmitch | cxx transition should not change the -dev package name | 05:05 |
| ajmitch | you're missing useful things like apt-cache rdepends | 05:05 |
| ajmitch | and grep-dctrl/grep-available | 05:06 |
| bddebian | Ohh, that's right, epochs are used to override versioning screw-ups right? | 05:06 |
| ajmitch | yes | 05:06 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Where did I say they should change the -dev name? | 05:06 |
| bddebian | Damn man, I just started the thing.. :-) | 05:06 |
| ajmitch | in the example for apt-cache dump | 05:07 |
| ajmitch | and I"m giving you feedback | 05:07 |
| ajmitch | I'll stop now if you'd prefer | 05:07 |
| Burgundavia | ajmitch, who is doing usplash? | 05:07 |
| ajmitch | Burgundavia: no idea, but it's not me | 05:07 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Oh, so that is a bad example you are saying? There would never be a libfooc2-dev? | 05:07 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: there usually wouldn't be | 05:08 |
| bddebian | OK, fair enough | 05:08 |
| ajmitch | grep-dctrl says there are none, and I'm sure that policy specifies it too | 05:09 |
| bddebian | OK, thanks | 05:09 |
| Amaranth | Burgundavia: Matthew Garrett, iirc | 05:10 |
| ajmitch | I'd find apt-cache rdepends far more useful, to find out what depends on a package | 05:10 |
| ajmitch | and grep-dctrl to find build-deps | 05:10 |
| Amaranth | Burgundavia: mjg59 | 05:10 |
| bddebian | I have never used grep-dctrl | 05:12 |
| bddebian | rdepends shows you what packages depend on *that* package doesn't it? | 05:12 |
| Burgundavia | Amaranth, ok | 05:12 |
| ajmitch | yes | 05:12 |
| ajmitch | eg, apt-cache rdepends libwxgtk2.4c2 | 05:13 |
| ajmitch | shows me a list of packages I need to get rebuilt | 05:13 |
| bddebian | Aye | 05:13 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: I don't seem to have grep-dctrl, what is that from? | 05:15 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: grep-dctrl.. | 05:16 |
| bddebian | Oh, hehe | 05:16 |
| === bddebian feels st00pid again | ||
| === ajmitch introduces bddebian to apt-cache search | ||
| ajmitch | btw, dlocate is much much faster than dpkg -S | 05:17 |
| bddebian | Yeah, yeah, I did it that way after I asked the dumb ass question | 05:18 |
| bddebian | Good god, why am I writing this?? | 05:18 |
| ajmitch | because you volunteered, sucker :P | 05:18 |
| bddebian | OK, better now? | 05:24 |
| ajmitch | nope | 05:30 |
| ajmitch | you mentioned my name in there | 05:30 |
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| chillywilly | ok, I really do not like KDE | 06:19 |
| chillywilly | makes me want to gouge my eyes out | 06:19 |
| ajmitch | you don't have to use it | 06:20 |
| chillywilly | I'm not | 06:22 |
| chillywilly | just thought I would play with it but I just can't stand looking at it | 06:23 |
| chillywilly | now I have tons of KDE packages dirtying up my menus | 06:23 |
| chillywilly | :P | 06:23 |
| Burgundavia | chillywilly, if you don't like it, that is fine. There is no need to bash it | 06:24 |
| Burgundavia | chillywilly, for the record, I prefer gnome as well | 06:24 |
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| chillywilly | not really bashing it but I think gnome has a more professional look while KDE looks like a cartoon to me ;) | 06:25 |
| chillywilly | ok, maybe I am poking at it some | 06:26 |
| chillywilly | I'll stop now | 06:26 |
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| herve | morning | 09:46 |
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| dholbach | hellas | 09:51 |
| dholbach | look what i found while reviewing qt4-x11: http://www.trolltech.com/video/qt4dance.html | 09:52 |
| dholbach | Riddell: i nearly wet myself, those qt guys are crazy :) | 09:54 |
| ajmitch | hi dholbach | 09:55 |
| dholbach | hey andrew | 09:55 |
| dholbach | :) | 09:55 |
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| \sh | mornin | 11:30 |
| \sh | g | 11:30 |
| dholbach | hey \sh | 11:30 |
| mbreit | good morning! | 11:30 |
| dholbach | hey moritz | 11:31 |
| \sh | hey dholbach | 11:31 |
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| mbreit | hey dholbach... | 11:31 |
| mbreit | btw: what does universe/sound/noteedit_2.7.1-2ubuntu1: Not-For-Us [optional:out-of-date] mean? | 11:32 |
| dholbach | what distribution did you have in dbeian/changelog? | 11:32 |
| mbreit | breezy | 11:32 |
| dholbach | hm | 11:33 |
| dholbach | better ask on #ubuntu-devel | 11:33 |
| mbreit | okay.. | 11:33 |
| ajmitch | infinity or lamont can answer best, I'd say | 11:36 |
| \sh | normally it's waiting for something | 11:38 |
| mbreit | the same entry was for noteedit_2.7.1-2build1 before... | 11:39 |
| \sh | is it new? | 11:40 |
| \sh | no | 11:40 |
| mbreit | no, i just fixed compilation on gcc4 | 11:41 |
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| Riddell | dholbach: you mean you weren't taken aback by the professionalism of their marketing? | 11:49 |
| dholbach | Riddell: erm well... taken aback... yes :) | 11:50 |
| Burgundavia | marketing? | 11:50 |
| dholbach | http://planet.ubuntu.com :) | 11:51 |
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| koke | maybe we should have a promotional video with the badger dance :) | 12:17 |
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| Amaranth | yeah, how about no? | 12:23 |
| Amaranth | the qt 4 music video scares the shit out of me | 12:24 |
| Amaranth | one nice thing: my connection is fast enough to stream that 47MB mpg | 12:25 |
| Treenaks | QT4 music video? | 12:25 |
| Treenaks | *shudder* | 12:25 |
| dholbach | haha :) | 12:25 |
| Treenaks | The gnome devs should do something like this at the next GUADEC :) | 12:26 |
| Amaranth | you want to see jdub dance? | 12:26 |
| Amaranth | i'm sure we could get sabdfl to do it after some drinks ;) | 12:27 |
| Treenaks | Amaranth: we've seen sabdfl, mdz, etc. sing that song at debconf... | 12:27 |
| Amaranth | that reminds me, does anyone have that video? | 12:27 |
| ajmitch | nope, never seen it | 12:27 |
| ajmitch | it disappeared very quickly | 12:28 |
| Amaranth | aye | 12:28 |
| Amaranth | it was up for a couple hours | 12:28 |
| dholbach | i didnt see it either | 12:28 |
| ajmitch | I think mako has a copy if you ask him nicely | 12:29 |
| ajmitch | he doesn't have the bandwidth to stick it up for everyone to grab | 12:29 |
| dholbach | people.ubuntu.com should be fine :) | 12:30 |
| === jsgotangco dreams of the day dholbach sings at wembley | ||
| dholbach | *cough slightly* | 12:38 |
| dholbach | i'm perfectly alright with doing the funky motu dance... but singing | 12:38 |
| dholbach | only under the shower | 12:39 |
| jsgotangco | dude i said singing at wembley | 12:39 |
| jsgotangco | that's like 50,000+ capacity | 12:39 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 12:39 |
| dholbach | well... let us all wait where this MOTU thing goes | 12:40 |
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| dholbach | (and i'll take singing lessons until then ;-)) | 12:40 |
| Treenaks | signing lessons ;) | 12:41 |
| dholbach | Treenaks: it's not me who failed to sign all the keys on http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/henkp/pgp/pathfinder/stats/A94050AF.html - it's all been the others :) | 12:42 |
| Treenaks | dholbach: other signatures : 6 | 12:42 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: you need more sigs, you're out of the top 1000 | 12:43 |
| dholbach | Treenaks: that's because they didnt manage to import the keys i sent them | 12:43 |
| Treenaks | ajmitch: debconf and wth took care of that... | 12:43 |
| jsgotangco | who is part of the top 1000? | 12:43 |
| dholbach | jsgotangco: i was | 12:43 |
| jsgotangco | ooohhhh | 12:43 |
| Treenaks | I'm still in :) | 12:43 |
| jsgotangco | this is like pokemon | 12:43 |
| Treenaks | http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/henkp/pgp/pathfinder/stats/3FA5E031.html | 12:43 |
| Treenaks | by a small margin | 12:44 |
| jsgotangco | oh well i see you all later | 12:46 |
| dholbach | bye jerome | 12:46 |
| jsgotangco | a few hours ago, i just joined the ranks of the unemployed :) | 12:46 |
| dholbach | oh... anything in sight yet? | 12:46 |
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| jsgotangco | none at the moment, i just finished a contract with an employer | 12:47 |
| jsgotangco | although i can live off with my savings in a few months fortunately :) | 12:48 |
| dholbach | i hope the best for you | 12:48 |
| jsgotangco | :D | 12:48 |
| jsgotangco | they're taking me to karaoke later | 12:48 |
| jsgotangco | i will probably drop by the 15utc meeting | 12:49 |
| dholbach | hehe... karaoke night! :) | 12:49 |
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| ivoks | hi all | 12:54 |
| ajmitch | hi ivoks | 12:54 |
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| ivoks | happy thanks giving day and day of victory for all from croatia :) | 12:55 |
| ivoks | ajmitch: hi | 12:55 |
| Treenaks | aug 05 Dan domovinske zahvalnosti | 12:56 |
| Treenaks | that's what calendar tells me | 12:56 |
| ivoks | yeah :) | 12:56 |
| Treenaks | no idea what it means.. | 12:56 |
| ivoks | day when country is thanksfull for their soliders :) | 12:56 |
| ivoks | s/for/to | 12:57 |
| Mez | dholbach, it's you who puts the stuff in UniverseUnmetDeps right? | 12:59 |
| dholbach | Mez: bddebian did the last list afaik | 12:59 |
| dholbach | hey ivoks | 12:59 |
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| dholbach | ivoks: push somebody to review wifi-radar - NOW! | 12:59 |
| ivoks | becky (backup tool) is going nicely | 01:00 |
| Mez | dholbach, I'm just wondering how it's built, as it needs updating | 01:00 |
| ivoks | dholbach: would you? :) | 01:00 |
| dholbach | ivoks: i did and signed already | 01:00 |
| ivoks | dholbach: ok, thanks | 01:00 |
| ivoks | ajmitch: would you review it too? :) | 01:00 |
| dholbach | Mez: the command is on the page itself | 01:00 |
| Mez | bash: apt-cache: command not found | 01:01 |
| Mez | o_O | 01:01 |
| Mez | uh-oh | 01:01 |
| dholbach | i removed the | 01:01 |
| dholbach | it was wrong | 01:01 |
| Mez | so what should it be | 01:02 |
| dholbach | LC_ALL=C apt-cache -i unmet | grep ^Package | cut -d' ' -f2 | xargs apt-cache showsrc | grep ^Package | sed 's/Package\://' | sort -u > unmet.txt | 01:02 |
| mbreit | dholbach: well, the perl-magic part is still missing ;) | 01:03 |
| dholbach | mbreit: that's no coincidence :) | 01:04 |
| Mez | dholbach, I'm only getting a TINY output from that command | 01:05 |
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| dholbach | Mez: on amd64 the list is significantly longer | 01:05 |
| dholbach | Mez: how many lines have you got? | 01:06 |
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| Mez | dholbach, 13 | 01:06 |
| Mez | ah | 01:06 |
| mbreit | on amd64 i get 282 | 01:07 |
| Mez | It works on source packages | 01:07 |
| dholbach | oops i have 379 | 01:07 |
| dholbach | NICE :) | 01:07 |
| mbreit | btw: to get that comma sperated add " perl -e'while (<>) { chomp; print($_ . ","); }'" at the end of the pipe | 01:07 |
| ogra | eeek perl | 01:08 |
| Mez | 361 on i386 | 01:08 |
| ogra | 360 here | 01:08 |
| ivoks | ogra: hi | 01:13 |
| ogra | hey ivoks | 01:13 |
| ivoks | ogra: backup tool is going ok... | 01:14 |
| ogra | nice :) | 01:14 |
| ivoks | ogra: it will be ready for 1.9. 100% | 01:14 |
| ogra | see that you get a package in soon... even if its not yet working right... | 01:15 |
| tseng | hi | 01:15 |
| ivoks | will try, but too many nice girls over here :)) | 01:15 |
| ivoks | time to go... | 01:16 |
| ivoks | see you guys in few days... | 01:16 |
| ivoks | could someone please upload etherape in breezy? | 01:17 |
| ivoks | i fixed it month ago, and in breezy is still broken version | 01:17 |
| dholbach | i'm off - see you later | 01:17 |
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| tseng | whiprush: your website is sex. | 01:24 |
| Lathiat | url? | 01:25 |
| tseng | http://www.ubuntudetroit.org/ | 01:25 |
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| WaterSevenUb | Hi! In gnome-app-install I have noticed that the menu entry is not translateable as a string. I would like to make a patch but I have no idea how to do that. http://bazaar.ubuntu.com/gnome-app-install@bazaar.ubuntu.com/gnome-app-install--MAIN--0 | 01:41 |
| WaterSevenUb | anyone can help? Thanks. | 01:41 |
| ogra | WaterSevenUb, g-a-i is in main... this is the channel for universe maintainers.... ask in #ubuntu-devel | 01:42 |
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| Mez | do MOTU have upload access to Multiverse? | 01:57 |
| Mez | I've always assumed they have but never asked | 01:57 |
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| herve | Mez, yes | 02:01 |
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| tseng | morn bradb | 02:11 |
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| bradb | hey tseng | 02:11 |
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| Mez | things shouldnt depend on Virtual packages should they? | 02:32 |
| herve | virtual package | proposed package | 02:33 |
| herve | e.g., www-server | apache2 | 02:33 |
| herve | I don't remember the exact name | 02:33 |
| ogra | httpd :) | 02:33 |
| Mez | hmmles :D | 02:33 |
| Mez | if I dont get any output from katie, is that bad ? | 02:33 |
| herve | thanks ogra | 02:34 |
| ogra | Mez, are you whitelisted ? | 02:34 |
| Mez | ogra, I dont know | 02:34 |
| ogra | herve, i'm just rebuilding moodle, it has exactly this dependency ;) | 02:34 |
| Mez | I've had output previously | 02:34 |
| ogra | ah, ok | 02:34 |
| Mez | well, I had output yesterday when \sh uploaded for me | 02:34 |
| Mez | but that was the first time :P | 02:34 |
| ogra | did yo ever upload yourself ? | 02:35 |
| Mez | I tried uploading myself once and got a rejection | 02:35 |
| Mez | Rejected: The key (0x2404ED3A6AAAA569) used to sign webmin-optional_1.210a-2ubuntu1.dsc wasn't found in the keyring(s). | 02:35 |
| Mez | just tried uploading again today to see if I've been added yet | 02:35 |
| ogra | Accepted webmin-optional 1.210a-2ubuntu1 (source) | 02:36 |
| ogra | from yesterday | 02:36 |
| Mez | yeah, that was \sh uploading for me | 02:37 |
| ogra | you know that you never upload the same version twice i assume, else elmo will hunt you down | 02:37 |
| Mez | not even if it gets rejected cuase of keyring? | 02:37 |
| Mez | and I'm not uploading same version tewice | 02:37 |
| ogra | not even then without talking to a buildd master | 02:38 |
| Mez | i was trying a different package today | 02:38 |
| ogra | its generating extra work | 02:38 |
| ogra | just a hint ;) | 02:38 |
| Mez | to wait and see if I got accepted or rejected by katie | 02:38 |
| Mez | :D | 02:38 |
| Mez | and then if it was rejected, poking a proper MOTU | 02:38 |
| ogra | nope | 02:38 |
| ogra | talk to elmo about your key please, dont generate xtra work | 02:38 |
| Mez | ogra, I've tried talking to him :D | 02:40 |
| ogra | so it should get rejected... | 02:40 |
| ogra | but just pushing it forward to another motu instead of fixing the problem isnt nice | 02:40 |
| ogra | s/should/shouldnt | 02:41 |
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| herzi | is there a wiki page to request packages for universe? | 02:59 |
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| yuacht | how can i get involved with dev when i don't know any programming? =) | 03:13 |
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| Mez | yuacht, you dont neccesarily need to know how to program | 03:15 |
| Mez | but it helps | 03:15 |
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| majic | I see some php5 packages in the universe repo, I don't see one for an apache2 module, nor do I see it in the main repo along with the other libapache2 modules. Is there a php5 module package? | 03:25 |
| Mez | anyone here wanna sponsor an upload or two for me | 03:26 |
| Lathiat | majic: ... Filename: pool/main/p/php5/libapache2-mod-php5_5.0.4-3ubuntu1_i386.deb | 03:27 |
| Mez | Lathiat, do you have upload access? | 03:28 |
| Lathiat | Mez: no | 03:28 |
| Mez | grr | 03:28 |
| Mez | anyone? http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~mez/debdiff/libkexif.diff and http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~mez/debdiff/tex-guy.diff | 03:28 |
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| bddebian | Howdy | 03:30 |
| crimsun_ | Mez: have those been checked? | 03:31 |
| majic | Lathiat: when I apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5 I get an error message saying that it doesn't exist. | 03:31 |
| Lathiat | majic: well your packages are out of date or something | 03:32 |
| majic | I just did an apt-get update | 03:32 |
| Mez | crimsun_, yes, I made them, they just need uploading | 03:32 |
| crimsun_ | I'll look. | 03:32 |
| Lathiat | majic: well dude i dunno what your doing, wfm | 03:32 |
| jamessan|work | majic: are you running breezy? | 03:33 |
| \sh | Mez: send it via mail please to me...i will take care about it when I'm at home... | 03:33 |
| majic | I'm running Hoary 5.04 | 03:33 |
| \sh | majic: php5 is for breezy | 03:33 |
| jamessan|work | well, that's why | 03:33 |
| Mez | \sh well if crimsin can do it, then you wont need to | 03:33 |
| Mez | crimsun_, they're only small changes | 03:33 |
| bddebian | If any of you get bored, can you please look at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUWannabeTips ? | 03:33 |
| \sh | Mez: ok | 03:33 |
| DanielN | what | 03:34 |
| DanielN | PHP5 is in breezy? | 03:34 |
| \sh | so I can work on bddebian's text ,-) | 03:34 |
| \sh | DanielN: thx to ogra, yes | 03:34 |
| DanielN | RRRROCKING :)))) | 03:34 |
| majic | I keep getting burned in the ass with these old packages | 03:34 |
| majic | damn, I got spoiled running Gentoo | 03:34 |
| bddebian | \sh: ?? | 03:34 |
| ogra | \sh, really not my fault :) | 03:34 |
| DanielN | great work ogra | 03:35 |
| crimsun_ | Mez: I'll take care of it. Updating my pbuilder atm. | 03:35 |
| ogra | \sh, thats infinitys work | 03:35 |
| DanielN | ouch | 03:35 |
| DanielN | :) | 03:35 |
| ogra | :) | 03:35 |
| Mez | crimsun_, kk, just needs the diffs applying to old sources, resigning and uploading | 03:35 |
| DanielN | i hopefully have more time now to doing ubuntu stuff | 03:36 |
| DanielN | since my "thesis" is over | 03:36 |
| DanielN | ;> | 03:36 |
| Mez | hmm | 03:38 |
| Mez | should we enable gtk support for mplayer-plugin | 03:39 |
| majic | I can't believe it. PHP 5.0 came out 13 July 2004 and PHP 5 is only available in Breezy. That is hilarious. Is there any reason for this? I keep getting burned like this, I go to install something I've been used to running on another distro and I can't get a package for it. | 03:40 |
| DanielN | no | 03:41 |
| DanielN | fedora core 4 has it too | 03:41 |
| \sh | majic: php5 is a bit crappy...cause not all php4 apps are running on php5 | 03:42 |
| \sh | majic: so there is a decision to be made..php4 or php5 ... the better case was php4... | 03:45 |
| ogra | it'll most likely be php5 .... 4 will stay in universe | 03:46 |
| \sh | majic: and gentoos php5 was even more scary...but since Sebastian Bergmann took over PHP5 ebuilds...it's just running quite stable | 03:46 |
| \sh | ogra: yes...but for hoary it was 4 | 03:46 |
| ogra | yup | 03:46 |
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| ogra | Mez, yes | 03:46 |
| DanielN | harhar | 03:46 |
| ogra | Mez, there is a malone bug open for that | 03:46 |
| DanielN | ubuntu becomes server interesting distro :) | 03:46 |
| ogra | becomes ?? | 03:47 |
| DanielN | ;> | 03:47 |
| \sh | majic: and believe me...if Sebastian is doing some harm to my php5 install on my gentoo servers...I will kick his ass..he's living just around the corner ,-) | 03:47 |
| \sh | DanielN: it is... | 03:47 |
| DanielN | yeah | 03:47 |
| DanielN | but there weren't any averages debian -- ubuntu | 03:48 |
| DanielN | now there are :) | 03:48 |
| Mez | ogra, yes I know there is a malone bug, I asked for it to be made, was just wondering whether it should be done | 03:48 |
| Mez | I'm working it now | 03:48 |
| ogra | oki | 03:48 |
| Mez | just fixing a couple of deps on it too | 03:49 |
| \sh | DanielN: which ones? debian is working on php5 as well...and I think php5 in ubuntu will be an interims solution until debian has it in the archives | 03:49 |
| bddebian | do be do be doo | 03:49 |
| ogra | \sh, the packages are the same | 03:50 |
| \sh | ogra: yes | 03:50 |
| crimsun_ | Mez: tex-guy will not pbuild. | 03:50 |
| Mez | crimsun - really? | 03:50 |
| Mez | it did for me | 03:50 |
| Mez | hmmles | 03:50 |
| Mez | ah wait | 03:51 |
| DanielN | yeah /sh but since it will takes another 3 years until debians next release ubuntu will be first debian derivate with a stable release including php5 | 03:51 |
| bddebian | heh | 03:51 |
| bddebian | Mez: Did you tell anyone about xlibmesa-glu-dev? | 03:51 |
| Mez | ...? | 03:52 |
| Mez | I was meant to tell someone | 03:52 |
| bddebian | Shouldn't someone tell someone? :-) | 03:52 |
| Mez | ogra: ? | 03:53 |
| ogra | ? | 03:53 |
| Mez | bddebian, was I meant to tell someone | 03:53 |
| Mez | sorry ogra .. | 03:53 |
| Mez | hmm | 03:53 |
| Mez | where can I find gthread | 03:53 |
| bddebian | I guess not | 03:54 |
| ogra | glib i'd guess | 03:54 |
| bddebian | libglib, libc6-dev | 03:56 |
| ogra | sigthread != gthread | 03:56 |
| DanielN | arghs | 03:57 |
| Mez | crimsun, yeah sotry I forgot vflib = b0rked | 03:57 |
| DanielN | damn error... i meant advantages and not averages :) | 03:57 |
| Mez | dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: format of libplc4.so not recognized | 03:58 |
| Mez | hmm | 03:58 |
| Mez | I'm getting lots and lots and lots of those | 03:58 |
| Mez | ogra: http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~mez/debdiff/mplayerplug-in.diff done :d | 04:07 |
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| ogra | great | 04:07 |
| Mez | wanna upload ? | 04:07 |
| ogra | no time | 04:09 |
| ogra | if you fix moodle :) | 04:09 |
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| Mez | crimsun, ping :D | 04:09 |
| crimsun | Mez: pong. | 04:11 |
| Mez | crimsun, fancy uploading that one for me | 04:12 |
| crimsun | Mez: I'll look in 30 s. | 04:12 |
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| dholbach | re | 04:16 |
| Mez | re? | 04:16 |
| bddebian | wb dholbach | 04:17 |
| dholbach | bddebian: excellent work on that motuwannabetips page | 04:17 |
| dholbach | bddebian: i linked it from a couple of places | 04:18 |
| bddebian | dholbach: How did YOU see that? :-) | 04:18 |
| dholbach | bddebian: i'm subscribed to the wiki | 04:18 |
| bddebian | Ah, well thanks. It's a work in progress :) | 04:18 |
| dholbach | yeah definitely - now we have a place to send people to | 04:19 |
| crimsun | re dholbach | 04:19 |
| dholbach | good thinking - thanks for that | 04:19 |
| dholbach | crimsun: hey daniel - how's it going? | 04:19 |
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| Mez | hmm | 04:20 |
| crimsun | dholbach: not bad, yourself? | 04:20 |
| crimsun | Mez: your diff doesn't apply cleanly (debian/rules); I'll patch by hand. | 04:20 |
| dholbach | crimsun: a bit sleepy - was taking a nap when my landlord brought somebody in to look at the flat (i'm moving out in two weeks) - GRR - he could have told me before - the place was a mess :) | 04:20 |
| Mez | crimsun, thats weird - it;s a tiny change to debian/rules | 04:21 |
| crimsun | dholbach: d'oh, hehe. To where are you moving? | 04:22 |
| dholbach | crimsun: b e r l i n ! woohoo! | 04:22 |
| crimsun | dholbach: awesome! | 04:22 |
| dholbach | yeah i'm so happy :) | 04:23 |
| Treenaks | dholbach: yes, we need to drink some beer there together ;) | 04:25 |
| \sh | ok...going home | 04:25 |
| dholbach | definitely | 04:25 |
| dholbach | bye stephan | 04:25 |
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| crimsun | Mez: it looks like you diffed against _your_ previous revision of ubuntu2 | 04:27 |
| Mez | crimsun, huh? | 04:28 |
| Mez | crimsun, I diffed agasint the version I downloaded from the repo | 04:28 |
| crimsun | look at your debdiff | 04:29 |
| Mez | what about it | 04:30 |
| crimsun | notice "+ * Fixed Depends on mozilla-browser | mozilla-firefox to firefox | mozilla-browser | mozilla-firefox" | 04:30 |
| crimsun | and "+ -- Martin Meredith <martin@sourceguru.net> Fri, 5 Aug 2005 14:46:22 +0100" | 04:30 |
| Mez | ah | 04:30 |
| Mez | ok | 04:30 |
| Mez | I see | 04:30 |
| Mez | sorry | 04:31 |
| Mez | you manage to sort that? or want another debdiff? | 04:31 |
| crimsun | I applied by hand. libkexif and mplayerplug-in are both uploaded. | 04:32 |
| Mez | ah, thankies | 04:32 |
| crimsun | np | 04:32 |
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| bddebian | Man it's quiet in here today :-( | 05:36 |
| dholbach | we're in the meeting and listen in awe | 05:36 |
| bddebian | Ohhh, sorry | 05:36 |
| dholbach | don't worry :) | 05:37 |
| tseng | oh wow | 05:37 |
| tseng | is there a pete here? | 05:37 |
| tseng | pete AT openfestis.org | 05:37 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 05:38 |
| bddebian | tseng: Hi. Would you mind looking at xdiskusage again? I think I fixed the build-dep. | 05:38 |
| tseng | i think ajmitch fixed the build-dep, no? | 05:38 |
| tseng | is it still broken? | 05:39 |
| tseng | i am not on my laptop | 05:39 |
| bddebian | He is the one that pointed it out to me. Maybe he fixed it. Fsck, what do I know. | 05:39 |
| tseng | he uploaded a fix, so.. | 05:39 |
| tseng | please tell me if it is really broken or what | 05:40 |
| tseng | im using a livecd | 05:40 |
| bddebian | Heh. OK | 05:40 |
| pete | tseng: yeah I'm here | 06:05 |
| dholbach | pete, tseng: if you're going to takl about monopod: it's still broken on amd64 breezy | 06:08 |
| pete | on my breezy i386 mono is broken allover | 06:09 |
| pete | is that just me or..? | 06:10 |
| bddebian | tseng: Yep, looks like ajmitch fixed xdiskutils | 06:12 |
| === bddebian curses ajmitch :-) | ||
| bddebian | Hmm, what to work on today.. | 06:13 |
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| chillywilly | what meeting? | 06:30 |
| dholbach | breezy goals update | 06:30 |
| dholbach | #ubuntu-meeting | 06:31 |
| chillywilly | hi bddebian | 06:31 |
| chillywilly | oh | 06:31 |
| chillywilly | nifty | 06:31 |
| bddebian | Heya chillywilly | 06:31 |
| bddebian | chillywilly: Hey check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUWannabeTips if you get a sec and let me know what you think :-) | 06:31 |
| chillywilly | your link to PBuilderHowTo is not right | 06:33 |
| chillywilly | :) | 06:33 |
| bddebian | Gah | 06:34 |
| bddebian | Fixed, thanks | 06:35 |
| chillywilly | looks to be some good and helpful content but I don't really have much time to read through it atm | 06:37 |
| bddebian | NP | 06:38 |
| mbreit | bddebian: great page... i think most newbies can learn a lot from that... | 06:39 |
| koke | bddebian: it looks nice :) | 06:40 |
| koke | btw, the new launchpad look is far nicer than the old one :) | 06:41 |
| mbreit | btw: is someone working on packages for sonance or spe? | 06:41 |
| koke | I think I'll fix more bugs now ;) | 06:41 |
| bddebian | mbreit / koke: Thanks | 06:41 |
| bddebian | mbreit: Thanks for the note on xdiskusage btw :-) | 06:41 |
| mbreit | bddebian: no problem | 06:41 |
| mbreit | if nobody is working on sonance or spe, i will add them to my todo list | 06:43 |
| bddebian | mbreit: You think it would makes sense to add a "Ready to upload" or "Just needs rebuild" section to UniverseUnmetDeps to make it easier for MOTUs to identify what can "quickly" be fixed? | 06:43 |
| mbreit | bddebian: i had this idea, too.. at least a "just needs rebuild" section would be nice | 06:44 |
| bddebian | Aye. I'll add it, thanks | 06:44 |
| mbreit | do you want to add another table just like the "need love" table? | 06:45 |
| bddebian | Yep | 06:45 |
| mbreit | good idea | 06:45 |
| mbreit | that saves even time for us... so i do not have to make a changelog-entry and so on... just rebuild in pbuilder and see if it works | 06:46 |
| koke | doh, my most hated maolne bug is here again ;) | 06:47 |
| mbreit | and we need to get this unmet deps list smaller... its so frustrating to see it growing | 06:47 |
| bddebian | Aye | 06:48 |
| bddebian | OK< added | 06:48 |
| mbreit | great... but i can't really work on that list today because i have a exam for university tomorrow... | 06:51 |
| mbreit | but after that exam i will fix a few more of that packages.. | 06:52 |
| mbreit | btw: if you put xxdiff to the rebuild list, you can remove it from the "NOBODY" list | 06:53 |
| bddebian | mbreit: Well, that was a placeholder. I'm testing right now ;-) | 06:53 |
| mbreit | okay | 06:53 |
| bddebian | pbuilder build does a test install also? | 06:59 |
| mbreit | bddebian: you can user pbuilder login to try to install a package | 07:00 |
| tseng | dholbach: we dont care you about amd64 | 07:01 |
| tseng | dholbach: :P | 07:01 |
| dholbach | ok | 07:01 |
| dholbach | well i dont care about mono | 07:01 |
| dholbach | :-p | 07:01 |
| tseng | or more realistically | 07:01 |
| bddebian | mbreit: Yeah but then I have to update my local apt repo :-) | 07:01 |
| tseng | everyone tells me about bugs on amd64 and doesnt do anything about it | 07:01 |
| tseng | i dont have hardware | 07:01 |
| tseng | dunno what im supposed to do. | 07:01 |
| bddebian | Buy one :-) | 07:01 |
| dholbach | arrange with Mithrandir | 07:01 |
| jsgotangco | jeez my hiccups is already half an hour... | 07:02 |
| tseng | im hoping to work one out a different way | 07:02 |
| tseng | but in the mean time | 07:02 |
| tseng | i still cant fix amd64 bugs | 07:02 |
| bddebian | I thought I saw something somewhere about doing an install with the .deb with pbuilder | 07:02 |
| mbreit | tseng: i am on amd64.. if i can help you somehow... | 07:03 |
| tseng | mbreit: dholbach thinks monopod is broken. | 07:04 |
| tseng | from revu | 07:04 |
| tseng | it gives an X error | 07:04 |
| dholbach | it still is | 07:04 |
| dholbach | tested this morning | 07:04 |
| tseng | well it really looks like X | 07:04 |
| tseng | i dont know | 07:04 |
| mbreit | bh... i want bash-completion for pbuilder... | 07:07 |
| bddebian | heh | 07:07 |
| tseng | definately | 07:07 |
| bddebian | Won't dpkg -i update packages for depends? | 07:07 |
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| tseng | it should be smart enough to only complete *.dsc | 07:07 |
| tseng | bddebian: because dpkg doesnt account for dependency info? | 07:08 |
| tseng | apt does that | 07:08 |
| mbreit | tseng: i am building monopod now, but i have very few time today, so i will have to investigate that tomorrow | 07:08 |
| bddebian | So I have no choice but to use my local repo to test package installation? | 07:08 |
| tseng | mbreit: ok thanks. if you can give me a hint, great | 07:09 |
| tseng | bddebian: or, install them all? | 07:09 |
| tseng | dpkg -i 1 2 3 | 07:09 |
| bddebian | tseng: No, it wants a newer version of libgcc1 installed then what I have installed. | 07:09 |
| tseng | uh | 07:09 |
| tseng | it sounds like you did something bad | 07:09 |
| bddebian | Why? | 07:09 |
| bddebian | There is a candidate for it | 07:10 |
| tseng | you built something with a newer libgcc1 than you system has? | 07:10 |
| tseng | or something. | 07:10 |
| dholbach | bye everybody - i'm off | 07:12 |
| bddebian | Later dholbach | 07:12 |
| mbreit | grr... the bug i most hate is the crashing panel on package installation | 07:12 |
| mbreit | bye dholbach | 07:12 |
| bddebian | tseng: Its a depends not build-depends | 07:12 |
| tseng | dude comeon | 07:17 |
| bddebian | What? | 07:17 |
| tseng | when you build something, it fills in sh:Depends | 07:17 |
| tseng | build-depends | 07:17 |
| tseng | on what version you built it with | 07:17 |
| bddebian | That makes no sense to me, sorry | 07:19 |
| tseng | ok | 07:19 |
| tseng | say libfoo is binary incompatible between versions | 07:19 |
| tseng | if i build my package against libfoo-1.3.so | 07:20 |
| tseng | it wont work when i have libfoo-1.2.so installed | 07:20 |
| bddebian | I understand that part | 07:21 |
| tseng | so whats the problem | 07:21 |
| bddebian | Firstly, I don't even know where it is getting xxdiff depends on libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.1)?? | 07:22 |
| mbreit | tseng: all other gtk# applications seem to work well here... its only monopod which is crashing | 07:24 |
| mbreit | so i will debug that tomorrow to see where (which code line) it crashes | 07:24 |
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| bddebian | Hello CarlFK | 07:26 |
| bddebian | CarlFK: You're in IL ? | 07:26 |
| CarlFK | hey bddebian - yup | 07:27 |
| bddebian | CarlFK: Where, if you don't mind me asking? | 07:27 |
| CarlFK | Niles - just north of Chicago | 07:27 |
| bddebian | Ahh. I grew up near Peoria / Bloomington | 07:27 |
| CarlFK | neat - friend from there is coming up tomorrow | 07:27 |
| CarlFK | Jason Nance | 07:28 |
| bddebian | Coolio | 07:28 |
| bddebian | tseng: Does this mean you gave up on me? :-) | 07:28 |
| Seveas | OKay guys, I have a program that installs with a setup.py. Which package is a good example to look at for creating a deb package of such a program? | 07:32 |
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| === Seveas wants to be a MOTU too if I can make this work :) | ||
| Seveas | ogra, help me out here :) | 07:33 |
| ogra | can you give the setup.py a custom path ? | 07:34 |
| ogra | s/path/install path | 07:34 |
| Seveas | --prefix= | 07:34 |
| Seveas | it's a normal setup.py | 07:34 |
| Seveas | I just want a package to look at as an example :) | 07:34 |
| ogra | i dont know one from the top of my head | 07:35 |
| Seveas | isn't hwdb-client a python program? | 07:35 |
| ogra | yup | 07:35 |
| ogra | but i dont use a setup.py | 07:36 |
| Seveas | ah | 07:36 |
| ogra | since i already wrote it for being installed from a .deb | 07:36 |
| Seveas | will apt-file show these files? They don't show up in the .deb | 07:36 |
| jamessan|work | Seveas: there's not really much to do. you can take a look at Supybot, though. I know that uses it. | 07:36 |
| ogra | unlikely they get installed | 07:36 |
| Seveas | jamessan|work, thank you, I'll have a look | 07:37 |
| ogra | Seveas, i would look what setup.py really does and try to do the same in the rules file | 07:37 |
| Seveas | can't I simply call setup.py from the rules? | 07:37 |
| ogra | its most likely only copying files around | 07:38 |
| JanC | & pre-compiling | 07:39 |
| Seveas | that's what dh_python can do too | 07:39 |
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| Seveas | wow, cdbs is the best thing since debhelper | 07:56 |
| Seveas | the supybot rules in 7 lines long... | 07:56 |
| Seveas | is* | 07:56 |
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| bddebian | supybot! Cool package :-) | 08:00 |
| ogra | Seveas, learn debhelper first... | 08:00 |
| ogra | Seveas, even if cdbs is tempting | 08:00 |
| Seveas | cdbs uses debhelper | 08:02 |
| Seveas | well, it can | 08:02 |
| ogra | never mix these two | 08:02 |
| ogra | its not a good habit ... | 08:02 |
| Seveas | hmm | 08:02 |
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| Seveas | i mean include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk | 08:03 |
| ogra | yes, but these are cdbs implementations of debhelper | 08:03 |
| Seveas | the call dh_* | 08:03 |
| Seveas | they* | 08:03 |
| ogra | yes, all of them... you generate either a huge overhead or have a lot to exclude for simple packages | 08:04 |
| Seveas | ah | 08:04 |
| Seveas | well, let's get back to maint-guide then :) | 08:05 |
| jbailey | ogra: Eh? Don't tell me you're using cdbs *without* debhelper... | 08:05 |
| ogra | so if you can make a package with 2 or 3 debhelper calls, cdbs makes no sense | 08:06 |
| ogra | jbailey, i dont mix them up in rules | 08:06 |
| jbailey | Ah, good. | 08:06 |
| jbailey | I half feared you meant you were using cdbs *without* debhelper.mk | 08:06 |
| ogra | thats what i had problems to bring acreoss to Seveas ;) | 08:06 |
| jbailey | Which I've done to prove that it was possible, but... | 08:06 |
| Seveas | ah ok | 08:06 |
| ogra | nah, i wouldnt | 08:07 |
| jbailey | ogra: I've been considering (but haven't done) for cdbs2 to test to see if the debhelper call would be a no-op. Would that make you happier? | 08:07 |
| ogra | sure... | 08:07 |
| jbailey | It's certainly not a release blocker, but I had assumed that nobody but poor m68k hackers would care. | 08:07 |
| ogra | i dont like to waste cpu cycles ;) | 08:08 |
| jbailey | What else are they *for*? | 08:08 |
| Seveas | buildds have to do something :) | 08:08 |
| ogra | heh | 08:08 |
| tseng | yay! | 08:08 |
| tseng | i got my laptop working with my apple monitor | 08:08 |
| tseng | and docking station | 08:08 |
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| jbailey | ogra: Besides, the overhead of running all the debhelper calls versus a decent testsuite is pretty small. | 08:08 |
| Seveas | talk about wasting cpu cycles :) | 08:08 |
| ogra | buildds have to annoy their meintainer... they are very busy with that already ;) | 08:08 |
| jbailey | And I'd love to see every app out there grow a really comprehensive testsuite. | 08:08 |
| tseng | unit testing +++ | 08:09 |
| ogra | yup, sounds reasonable | 08:09 |
| jbailey | ogra: Another thing that I quite like about cdbs versus similar sized debhelper-based rules files is just consistancy. | 08:10 |
| jbailey | You have the promise that various DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS are honoured, and takes no time to figure them out at a glance once you've seen a couple of them. | 08:10 |
| ogra | i'm probably just to oldschool :) i should make more with cdbs | 08:11 |
| ogra | but still, for a MOTU its important to be familiar with both Seveas :) | 08:12 |
| ogra | and cdbs is easy... so learning debhelper first makes sense ;) | 08:13 |
| bddebian | Like learning asm before C? I'm sure everyone still does that?? ;-P | 08:13 |
| Seveas | rofl | 08:13 |
| Seveas | I did :) | 08:13 |
| bddebian | Seveas: Nice. I don't know either :-) | 08:13 |
| Seveas | but then again, I learned java before that ;) | 08:13 |
| bddebian | ack | 08:14 |
| ogra | bddebian, nah, C before C++ :) | 08:15 |
| bddebian | heh | 08:15 |
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| Seveas | hmm | 08:15 |
| Seveas | postpone C++ as much as possible | 08:16 |
| jbailey | ogra: Which is often also a mistake. | 08:16 |
| jbailey | ogra: It's best to consdier C and C++ to be generally unrelated but somewhat compatible languages. | 08:16 |
| ogra | jbailey, was the best example that came to mind :) | 08:16 |
| janimonoses | any idea why xfce4-terminal is not entering the build? | 08:17 |
| janimonoses | http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Lists/breezy.all.i386 | 08:17 |
| janimonoses | says it depends on dbus-glib-1-dev | 08:17 |
| janimonoses | but http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/x/xfce4-terminal/xfce4-terminal_0.2.4-3ubuntu1.dsc | 08:17 |
| janimonoses | shows that libdbus-glib-1-dev is in the bd: line actually | 08:18 |
| janimonoses | I am confused | 08:18 |
| janimonoses | lamont ^^ | 08:19 |
| ogra | janimonoses, so depend on that one | 08:21 |
| ogra | err.. | 08:21 |
| ogra | oh | 08:21 |
| ogra | nm | 08:21 |
| janimonoses | that's deprecated in favor of what I wrote | 08:22 |
| ogra | yes | 08:23 |
| lamont | if it shows that it's depwait, and that doesn't match, then it means someone needs to poke me to clear it. | 08:23 |
| lamont | uploading a new version to change build-deps _WILL_NOT_ clear a dep-wait | 08:23 |
| janimonoses | lamont, thanks | 08:25 |
| lamont | (and I've cleared it) | 08:25 |
| janimonoses | the previous version tried building at least | 08:26 |
| lamont | or, more precisely, I've told wanna-build to pretend that dbus-glib-1-dev is available | 08:26 |
| janimonoses | so I thought : failed build -> needs upload | 08:26 |
| tseng | janimonoses: now you know :) | 08:26 |
| bddebian | "And knowing is half the battle" | 08:26 |
| lamont | dep-wait --> never try again until that dependency is available, no matter how many times they upload | 08:27 |
| janimonoses | tseng, but this is only one of the many corner cases which I don't :) | 08:27 |
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| zyga | hello | 08:27 |
| bddebian | Hello zyga | 08:27 |
| janimonoses | hi zyga | 08:27 |
| crimsun | lamont: would you poke vlc, too, please? | 08:27 |
| zyga | any gnomebaker devs lurk here? | 08:27 |
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| lamont | crimsun: poke it how? | 08:27 |
| janimonoses | lamont, writing it up would be GREAT | 08:28 |
| lamont | pretend vlc is available, or what is it dep-wait on? | 08:28 |
| crimsun | lamont: it's dep-wait on aalib1-dev, but aalib1-dev's not listed as a build-dep | 08:29 |
| crimsun | that's why I'm quite confused | 08:29 |
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| zyga | and the polish translation | 08:29 |
| zyga | (hoary-whatever-backports) | 08:29 |
| crimsun | janimonoses: do we know what's going on with xffm4? | 08:29 |
| lamont | crimsun: it was | 08:29 |
| janimonoses | criumsun, let me take a look | 08:29 |
| janimonoses | crimsun, I think we need to ask elmo to sync? | 08:30 |
| crimsun | lamont: hmm. I built it in an i386 and an amd64 pbuilder successfully. | 08:30 |
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| lamont | crimsun: 0.8.1-1ubuntu8: Build-Depends: ... liba52-0.7.4-dev, aalib1-dev, libdvbpsi3-dev, | 08:31 |
| crimsun | janimonoses: according to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/x/xffm4/ it's already there. | 08:31 |
| lamont | <lamont> dep-wait --> never try again until that dependency is available, no matter how many times they upload | 08:31 |
| lamont | <janimonoses> tseng, but this is only one of the many corner cases which I\ | 08:31 |
| lamont | oops. only meant to paste one line | 08:31 |
| crimsun | lamont: oh, I see. That would mean my 0.8.2-1ubuntu1 upload is stuck. | 08:32 |
| lamont | crimsun: so now that I've told wanna-build to pretend taht aalib1-dev is available, the buildd will actually finally _TRY_ to build 0.8.2-1ubuntu1 | 08:32 |
| crimsun | lamont: right. Thanks! | 08:32 |
| zyga | eh, anyone? | 08:32 |
| lamont | not so much stuck as just totally ignored | 08:32 |
| crimsun | janimonoses: doesn't look like xffm4 is actually being built at all | 08:33 |
| crimsun | zyga: I don't think there are any here. | 08:33 |
| zyga | crimsun: how about gb-4.0? | 08:34 |
| crimsun | zyga: what about it? | 08:34 |
| zyga | crimsun: there is none for ubuntu, can't it go to backports or someplace like it? | 08:35 |
| crimsun | (I presume you mean 0.4) | 08:35 |
| zyga | (yes) | 08:35 |
| crimsun | it won't be autobuilt for backports from breezy since it's not in breezy, but it may be done by some other method. You might want to check with Mez. | 08:36 |
| zyga | I've just built gb on hoary i386 (I can also build for amd64) | 08:36 |
| zyga | It's not debianized yet but that can probably be taken from 3.0 | 08:36 |
| zyga | er 0.3 | 08:36 |
| zyga | crimsun: any reason why it's not in breezy? | 08:37 |
| crimsun | we're already semi-UVF | 08:37 |
| zyga | UVF? | 08:38 |
| crimsun | looking at the changes for 0.4, there are some rather important fixes, so if other MOTUs agree, I don't mind seeing 0.4 in Breezy | 08:38 |
| crimsun | (upstream version freeze) | 08:38 |
| zyga | crimsun: ah | 08:38 |
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| zyga | crimsun: breezy would be bad without 0.4 IMHO :) | 08:38 |
| jeffm | hey guys | 08:39 |
| zyga | hi jeffm | 08:39 |
| jeffm | ubuntu supports dual screens right? | 08:39 |
| zyga | jeffm: I'm woring on a dual monitor setup ATM | 08:40 |
| crimsun | jeffm: X.org does, yes. | 08:40 |
| jeffm | AT The Moment? | 08:40 |
| jeffm | thanks guys | 08:40 |
| zyga | jeffm: yes | 08:41 |
| jeffm | k | 08:41 |
| zyga | what is 'k' exactly :> | 08:41 |
| zyga | ? | 08:41 |
| jeffm | ? | 08:41 |
| zyga | jeffm: what does 'k' mean? | 08:42 |
| jeffm | in KDE> | 08:42 |
| jeffm | ? | 08:42 |
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| zyga | no.. in your message | 08:42 |
| zyga | 20:41 < jeffm> k | 08:42 |
| jeffm | its short for O.K | 08:42 |
| jeffm | which is short for Okay | 08:43 |
| ogra | which is short for "agreed" :) | 08:43 |
| jeffm | yeah | 08:43 |
| jeffm | or serves as acknowledgement | 08:43 |
| ogra | wow, so many words in only one letter | 08:44 |
| zyga | okay :> | 08:44 |
| jeffm | lol | 08:44 |
| jeffm | what is this X.org stuff? | 08:44 |
| === zyga never really knew that 'k' stood for 'ok' \ | ||
| jeffm | im on the site now | 08:44 |
| zyga | jeffm: x.org is your x server, it does support mulit-head setups via xinerama | 08:44 |
| jeffm | so that is build into Ubuntu? | 08:45 |
| zyga | jeffm: this really is more suited on #ubuntu though | 08:45 |
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| jeffm | ok | 08:46 |
| zyga | jeffm: yes it is, it works but there is no gui for it | 08:46 |
| jeffm | so what de we tlak about here? | 08:46 |
| jeffm | *talk | 08:46 |
| jeffm | *do | 08:46 |
| jeffm | lol | 08:46 |
| zyga | universe | 08:47 |
| jeffm | ohhh O.o | 08:47 |
| ogra | especially its expansion ... and how to fix it | 08:48 |
| jeffm | oh nice | 08:48 |
| jeffm | you guys rock | 08:48 |
| ogra | :) | 08:48 |
| jeffm | im so glad that there is a viable alternative to M$ | 08:48 |
| zyga | how do I update various sha/md5 sums in .dsc files? | 08:48 |
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| ogra | zyga, you rebuild the source package | 08:49 |
| zyga | ogra: so apt-getting source gnomebaker, extracting debian directory, removing patches and moving it to gnomebaker-0.4 is enough to debianize? | 08:49 |
| zyga | okay some patches should stay... | 08:50 |
| ogra | you weill need to make version specific adjustments ... but you can do it along this lines | 08:50 |
| ogra | alternatively run dh_make and copy over the bits and pieces you want from the other version | 08:51 |
| zyga | ogra: I'm not sure how to adjust build-deps, it did build on hoary with previous gnomebaker deps though | 08:51 |
| zyga | ogra: thanks, I'll try | 08:51 |
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| zyga | dh_make is really nice :> | 08:54 |
| zyga | ogra: keeping old changelog + adding new entry is okay for a version change? | 08:56 |
| zyga | ogra: and what should I do with maintainer field from debian.control? | 08:57 |
| ogra | hmm, i would make a new changelog for a completely new package, else i'd use the old one and just announce the new upsteam version | 08:58 |
| crimsun | I'm already updating gnomebaker, zyga. | 08:58 |
| mbreit | lamont: are you still around? | 08:58 |
| lamont | never. | 08:58 |
| lamont | :-) | 08:58 |
| crimsun | (just running through the pbuild now) | 08:58 |
| ogra | if you reuse nearly everything, leave it like it is... if you build from scratch, add yourself | 08:58 |
| zyga | crimsun: :-) | 08:58 |
| zyga | crimsun: there is no need to do any work :) ? | 08:59 |
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| zyga | crimsun: I'd love to help you know :) | 08:59 |
| lamont | mbreit: what did you need? | 08:59 |
| mbreit | lamont: could you remove dep-wait on gltron? i just checked again, and it builds in pbuilder, without dependency problems | 08:59 |
| crimsun | wb jani | 09:00 |
| janimonoses | :) | 09:00 |
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| janimonoses | hw failure | 09:00 |
| janimonoses | luckily temporary only | 09:00 |
| crimsun | janimonoses: :/ | 09:00 |
| crimsun | re dholbach | 09:00 |
| dholbach | re :) | 09:00 |
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| janimonoses | crimsun, I thought I asked elmo to sync xffm4 but looks like I forgot | 09:01 |
| mbreit | hi dholbach | 09:02 |
| dholbach | hey moritz | 09:02 |
| mbreit | dholbach: what happens to packages on revu with 3 votes? | 09:02 |
| dholbach | it should be uploaded straightawway | 09:02 |
| dholbach | :) | 09:02 |
| mbreit | well, i have 3 votes... | 09:02 |
| dholbach | excellent | 09:02 |
| dholbach | shall i do it? | 09:02 |
| mbreit | and i think i am whitelisted already | 09:02 |
| dholbach | super | 09:03 |
| dholbach | i'll upload it then | 09:03 |
| mbreit | perfect! ;) | 09:03 |
| janimonoses | crimsun, shall I ask him now? | 09:03 |
| mbreit | then i will start with new packages tomorrow ;) | 09:03 |
| dholbach | mbreit: that's the spirit | 09:04 |
| zyga | crimsun: updated package will be available in breezy? | 09:04 |
| zyga | crimsun: (or rather, where will it be available) | 09:04 |
| mbreit | dholbach: yea... it's the "i wanna be a motu" spirit *g* | 09:04 |
| dholbach | ROCK'N'ROLL! | 09:04 |
| mbreit | ahhhhhh grrrrr.... wft? | 09:05 |
| mbreit | how can a package build in pbuilder when i can't install the build-depends on my normal breezy system? | 09:06 |
| dholbach | Riddell: could you please kick the packages from REVU, you uploaded? | 09:06 |
| crimsun | janimonoses: not sure if you saw my last post | 09:06 |
| crimsun | janimonoses: doesn't look like xffm4 is actually being built at all | 09:06 |
| dholbach | mbreit: depends vs build-depends? | 09:06 |
| janimonoses | no, I am just looking at the irclogs | 09:06 |
| crimsun | janimonoses: but the 4.2.2-1 files are already there. | 09:06 |
| mbreit | dholbach: just build-depends... i have a dep-wait on gltron.. | 09:07 |
| janimonoses | crimsun, why arent' they built? | 09:07 |
| ogra | Riddell, ping | 09:07 |
| mbreit | but i did a pbuilder update and a pbuilder build and that worked without problems... then i did a apt-get install libgl-dev (which is the build-dep in question) but it does not want to install it | 09:08 |
| crimsun | janimonoses: I have no idea :/ There's nothing in the build logs. | 09:08 |
| crimsun | janimonoses: xffm4 does not appear to be dep-wait on something either, and it built in both i386 and amd64 breezy pbuilders. | 09:08 |
| janimonoses | so how do we know it was synced? | 09:09 |
| janimonoses | it's not on the ongoing-merge page either | 09:10 |
| dholbach | i absolutely despise "sponsored upload for x.y.z" - there is debuild -kyour@mail.adress , guys | 09:10 |
| sivang | dholbach: Hi there Daniel | 09:10 |
| sivang | dholbach: 'sup? | 09:11 |
| dholbach | hey sivang :) | 09:11 |
| sivang | dholbach: how is your autotools foo lately? :) | 09:11 |
| dholbach | sivang: not better - did a lot of other stuff in between | 09:11 |
| janimonoses | rigth so xffm4 source package is in the archive | 09:12 |
| dholbach | sivang: how are you? | 09:12 |
| crimsun | janimonoses: yep, I think that got cut off when your client pinged out | 09:12 |
| sivang | dholbach: trying to find some advice on creating the right autotools foo for a shared lib | 09:12 |
| dholbach | sivang: murray cumming has an excellent article on that - just a sec | 09:13 |
| sivang | dholbach: cool, thanks , should I have used google better ? 0_o | 09:14 |
| Mez | dholbach, the "sponsored upload for x.y.z thing is done cause then you acutally get output from katie | 09:14 |
| dholbach | sivang: it's hard to find | 09:14 |
| dholbach | Mez: everybody should asap let their mail adresses whitelist | 09:15 |
| sivang | dholbach: ah ok, just send it up and I'll be greatful :) | 09:15 |
| Mez | dholbach - I only got whitelisted like- 2 days aho | 09:15 |
| Mez | ago * | 09:15 |
| Mez | so, if whoever was whitelisting addresses didnt take their time so, then it wouldnt be a problem | 09:15 |
| dholbach | i saw like 20 uploads or so in the last time | 09:16 |
| dholbach | whitelists should be done by then | 09:16 |
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| dholbach | you can always re-ask | 09:16 |
| dholbach | sivang: http://www.openismus.com/documents/linux/using_libraries/using_libraries.shtml | 09:16 |
| ogra | Mez, i'm telling you since some time to contact elmo to getyour key and whitelisting sorted, please do so | 09:16 |
| sivang | dholbach: thanks you very much | 09:16 |
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| dholbach | sivang: and the links from there - murrayc rocks | 09:16 |
| sivang | dholbach: how did you come across this article ? | 09:16 |
| sivang | dholbach: is he a MOTU ? | 09:17 |
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| dholbach | sivang: i know murrayc - no he is gnome-c++ :) | 09:17 |
| Mez | ogra: and I've been trying for some time to contact him... I've got my whitelisting... but not my key | 09:17 |
| dholbach | maybe you forgot the magic words :-p | 09:17 |
| ogra | :) | 09:17 |
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| janimonoses | lamont, any idea why xffm4 does not enter the build? | 09:18 |
| Mez | I would keep emailing him and stuff, but, I dont want to annoy him | 09:18 |
| ogra | Mez, email him | 09:18 |
| dholbach | Mez: don't worry - he's just incredibly busy - busier than anybody else you know, mail him, be nice, he'll understand | 09:19 |
| Mez | ogra, I already have :D | 09:19 |
| dholbach | and we have to other packages that are ready for upload | 09:19 |
| Mez | I dont think anyones key from the last TB meeting has been sorted yet | 09:19 |
| ogra | do it again then or catch him on irc... i've seen him around several times today | 09:19 |
| dholbach | 1) mbreit and gnomeradio | 09:19 |
| dholbach | and to others, which i will take care of | 09:19 |
| dholbach | ExpandingUniverse, baby! :) | 09:20 |
| Mez | ogra: I he never seems to reply to me on IRC - even if he's ther e:d | 09:20 |
| Mez | but, I'll email again | 09:20 |
| janimonoses | Mez, indeed elmo is very busy | 09:20 |
| janimonoses | I've been after him almost two weeks for the xfce4 sync ;) | 09:20 |
| Mez | I know he's very busy :D | 09:20 |
| ogra | Mez, you are the backports team currently... getting your key sorted is a essential thing | 09:20 |
| janimonoses | he's nice but busy | 09:20 |
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| dholbach | does ivoks has his key sorted out yet? | 09:22 |
| dholbach | s/has/have | 09:22 |
| Mez | what's his real name? | 09:23 |
| ogra | james troup | 09:23 |
| ogra | ? | 09:23 |
| Mez | ivoks :P | 09:23 |
| ogra | or do you mean ivoks | 09:23 |
| janimonoses | ante karamatic I think | 09:23 |
| ogra | AnteKaramatic | 09:24 |
| ogra | yup | 09:24 |
| Mez | he doesnt seem to have any uploads yet (not even sponsored ones | 09:24 |
| dholbach | he does | 09:24 |
| Mez | not sinceth | 09:25 |
| Mez | 14th * | 09:25 |
| ogra | he's on holiday | 09:25 |
| Mez | ah | 09:26 |
| dholbach | i'll upload his wifi-radar | 09:26 |
| dholbach | rejoice - finally - users will love to see it | 09:27 |
| crimsun | great :) | 09:27 |
| dholbach | it's UP! | 09:28 |
| mbreit | oh, i just looked at the wifi-radar homepage... looks very promising... | 09:28 |
| dholbach | woohoo | 09:28 |
| mbreit | that would be a reason to upgrade my laptop to breezy this weekend ;) | 09:28 |
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| dholbach | i won't upload python-pyrtf-0.45 yet - i'm not sure about how bdddebian and tritium are going to settle the maintainership of it | 09:30 |
| dholbach | but that's rocking | 09:32 |
| dholbach | 2 new packages up! | 09:32 |
| dholbach | you can't believe how good that feels - the review process works | 09:32 |
| dholbach | at least a bit it does :) | 09:32 |
| mbreit | and i hope to create 2 new packages at the weekend ;) so there's always something to review ;) | 09:32 |
| dholbach | what are you going to work on? | 09:33 |
| dholbach | mbreit: i'm not complaining about not having enough work :) | 09:33 |
| mbreit | spe and sonance... but i promise nothing... | 09:33 |
| dholbach | ah... oculd it be they're on UniverseCandidates or something? | 09:34 |
| mbreit | dholbach: i will also help with the unmet dependencies... | 09:34 |
| mbreit | dholbach: yes, they are... | 09:34 |
| janimonoses | dholbach, did the ubuntu-motu ml idea get dropped? | 09:34 |
| dholbach | janimonoses: yes | 09:34 |
| dholbach | janimonoses: unfortunately so | 09:34 |
| janimonoses | so motu mails go to devel? | 09:34 |
| dholbach | janimonoses: but we'll have a bug mailing list for universe | 09:34 |
| dholbach | janimonoses: yes | 09:34 |
| dholbach | janimonoses: and if you report about something crazy, include ubuntu-users - we want press everywhere :) | 09:35 |
| janimonoses | ;) | 09:35 |
| dholbach | mbreit: make sure you tick them off | 09:35 |
| dholbach | mbreit: on UniverseCandidates | 09:35 |
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| mbreit | dholbach: i moved them down to the "already handeld" list | 09:36 |
| dholbach | super | 09:37 |
| blueyed | I had compiled/packages Apache2 from source for myself, because of another configure option to suexec. What's the easiest way know to upgrade to the latest security release? | 09:37 |
| blueyed | s/packages/packaged/ | 09:37 |
| ogra | get the new source and compile it ? | 09:38 |
| dholbach | blueyed: sudo apt-get install devscripts; sudo apt-get build-dep <package>; apt-get source <package>; cd <package-dir>; debuild; sudo debi | 09:38 |
| kungkang | hey all, why is gedit-dev in universe when gedit is in main? there also seems to be a version inconsistency between them so gedit-dev is not installable. | 09:38 |
| dholbach | kungkang: to the first part of the question: that's quite common - main should be as small as possible (to fit on a CD or something) | 09:39 |
| dholbach | kungkang: to the second part: could be build problems - what architecture are you on? | 09:40 |
| kungkang | i386 | 09:40 |
| crimsun | kungkang: for hoary/amd64, Candidate: 2.10.2-0ubuntu2 | 09:40 |
| crimsun | I don't see any version mismatch. | 09:40 |
| mbreit | lamont: did you remove the dep-wait for gltron? or is it on dep-wait _again_? | 09:40 |
| kungkang | gedit is ubuntu2, but gedit-dev is ubuntu1 according to my synaptic | 09:40 |
| dholbach | do apt-get udpate again | 09:40 |
| lamont | mbreit: what was it dep-wait on? | 09:41 |
| crimsun | kungkang: you need to refresh. hoary-security has ubuntu2 | 09:41 |
| kungkang | crimsun: ah! i did not have hoary-security! thanks | 09:41 |
| tseng | mbreit: you are working on sonace? | 09:41 |
| mbreit | it sais libgl-dev... but it build depends on xlibmesa-gl-dev | 09:41 |
| mbreit | , works perfectly in pbuilder | 09:41 |
| tseng | sonance | 09:41 |
| lamont | mbreit: I did not - no one asked... | 09:41 |
| lamont | iz done now | 09:41 |
| mbreit | lamont: i asked you just a few minutes ago? | 09:42 |
| blueyed | dholbach: Thanks. Before "debuild" I'd patch the debian/rules file again, right? | 09:42 |
| mbreit | lamont: directly after you said "mbreit: what did you need?" | 09:42 |
| dholbach | blueyed: yes, exactly | 09:42 |
| lamont | bradb: sorry - it scrolled off and I missed it. | 09:43 |
| mbreit | tseng: yes, i want to package that, why to you ask? | 09:43 |
| tseng | mbreit: because its a mono app | 09:43 |
| mbreit | tseng: does that matter? | 09:43 |
| mbreit | tseng: i love mono.... | 09:44 |
| tseng | yes | 09:44 |
| mbreit | why? | 09:44 |
| tseng | that is my main area, I can help you | 09:44 |
| mbreit | oh, that would be nice ;) | 09:44 |
| janimonoses | lamont, any idea why xffm4 does not enter the build? | 09:45 |
| dholbach | janimonoses: new binary packages? | 09:45 |
| janimonoses | even though 4.2.2-1 source is in the archive | 09:45 |
| janimonoses | nope there was an xffm4 -- .deb already | 09:46 |
| janimonoses | it used epoch if that matters | 09:46 |
| lamont | janimonoses: nothing springs to mind... but it doesn't appear in the w-b output, which would tend to point towards the archive mangement stuff.. | 09:46 |
| lamont | since "not in w-b" --> never tried. | 09:46 |
| janimonoses | there was a source called xffm which built xffm4 binary | 09:47 |
| mbreit | lamont: btw: can you help with a "Not-For-Us" status? do you know where that comes from and what i can to that the package builds? | 09:47 |
| tseng | so xffm4 is NEW? | 09:47 |
| janimonoses | now there's a source called xfmm4 which builds same binary | 09:47 |
| tseng | that is your problem. | 09:47 |
| janimonoses | tseng, not really | 09:47 |
| tseng | yes really | 09:47 |
| janimonoses | apt-cache show xffm4 | 09:47 |
| tseng | Source: xffm | 09:48 |
| janimonoses | but the source was xffm and now it would be xffm4 | 09:48 |
| lamont | NFU means that the buildd admin manually said "leave me alone, package" | 09:48 |
| tseng | so its a new source | 09:48 |
| crimsun | (Warty had a binary xffm4 that comes from xffm4 source) | 09:48 |
| tseng | its in NEW | 09:48 |
| tseng | it needs manual approval | 09:48 |
| tseng | to enter buildd | 09:48 |
| lamont | in this particular case, it means that the package was put on hold its dependencies were all done with the g++-4.0 transition] | 09:48 |
| tseng | crimsun: eh? | 09:49 |
| janimonoses | actually there was an xffm4 source too for xfce4.0 | 09:49 |
| tseng | wow. | 09:49 |
| crimsun | janimonoses: yep, that was Warty. | 09:49 |
| mbreit | lamont: who can change that? i have fixed that package for gcc4, but it's still on NFU | 09:49 |
| janimonoses | so a packages NEW-ness is reset on starting a new release cycle? | 09:49 |
| lamont | are all of it's dependencies current in the archive? | 09:49 |
| mbreit | yes | 09:50 |
| crimsun | janimonoses: I wouldn't think so... | 09:50 |
| lamont | janimonoses: NEW is a function of a.u.c/ubuntu/indices/override.${dist}.... | 09:50 |
| mbreit | lamont: it builds in pbuilder and is reviewed by a motu... | 09:50 |
| janimonoses | so why is xffm4 considered new if there was already a source named like that? | 09:50 |
| lamont | and generally that begins with what the previous release had and gets added to | 09:50 |
| crimsun | janimonoses: I don't think it's considered NEW, because Warty had it. There seems to be something else holding it back. | 09:51 |
| lamont | mbreit: infinity was dealing with NFU stuff - I'll poke him to review all of them and see what else can be given back... | 09:51 |
| lamont | (that is, the class needs review, not just the one instance) | 09:51 |
| mbreit | lamont: thanks! | 09:51 |
| janimonoses | crimsun, lamont just said something re previous release, maybe NEWness gets reset? | 09:51 |
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| mbreit | ahhh... gltron is build... thanks again, lamont | 09:52 |
| lamont | mbreit: which package, btw | 09:52 |
| lamont | ? | 09:52 |
| mbreit | lamont: noteedit | 09:52 |
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| Mez | hmmles | 09:53 |
| Mez | getting some weird errors whiel trying to update | 09:54 |
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| dholbach | do we have a netinst image or something? | 09:55 |
| ogra | yes | 09:56 |
| ogra | dont ask for a url though | 09:56 |
| ogra | there was a post to u-d with the url the last days | 09:56 |
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| ogra | tseng, just for the record, YOU ROCK ! | 10:18 |
| tseng | ogra: do I? | 10:18 |
| ogra | i just realized that my f-spot on amd64 runs rock solid !! | 10:18 |
| tseng | hah sweet dude | 10:18 |
| ogra | yeah :) | 10:18 |
| ogra | hmm, slideshow doesnt work, i guess thats an X issue | 10:20 |
| ogra | hmm,and fullscreen shows a question mark... | 10:21 |
| mbreit | well, fullscreen works here without any problem (f-spot on amd64) | 10:24 |
| tseng | ogra: right now im trying to hack muine-inotify for new inotify in breezy | 10:24 |
| ogra | mbreit, fully up to date ? | 10:25 |
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| ogra | i obvously only have the thimbnail view available, everything else shows just a question mark... | 10:26 |
| mbreit | ogra: update half an hour ago | 10:26 |
| ogra | hmm... propbably i flddled to much with the mono stuff in the past | 10:26 |
| mbreit | slideshow as well as fullscreen mode work like a charm... | 10:26 |
| ogra | oki,so i suspect my setup | 10:27 |
| mbreit | but it does not work rock solid.... it just crashed... | 10:28 |
| ogra | it works rock solid here, i never could ues it longer then 5mins without crash | 10:29 |
| ogra | we shoudl merge :) | 10:29 |
| mbreit | crashed again... that seems to be a problem with one picture i have... in thumbnail view, it is shown landscape, if i open it, its portrait... if i open another photo after that, it crashes | 10:30 |
| mbreit | it seems that it also crashes when rotating some picture... so it's definitly not "rock solid".... | 10:31 |
| mbreit | but tseng does a great job anyway ;) | 10:32 |
| ogra | it just doesnt rotate here... but doesnt crash | 10:32 |
| mbreit | hmmm | 10:32 |
| ogra | funny | 10:32 |
| mbreit | ahh... i want the -44 xorg version.... | 10:33 |
| Nafallo | uhm | 10:36 |
| Nafallo | is it just me or is gnomebaker's deps way off? | 10:37 |
| Nafallo | jackd for example? | 10:37 |
| ogra | mbreit, not for us... and daniels ejoys his weekend already ::::/ | 10:37 |
| Nafallo | gstreamer0.8-polypaudio? :-P | 10:37 |
| ogra | wow, i'm an eight eyed alien today.. my broken keyboard is funny sometimes | 10:38 |
| mbreit | ogra: i know.... but i want my television back... and -44 finally includes the v4l-module.... | 10:38 |
| Nafallo | hmm | 10:39 |
| dholbach | mbreit: throw away your television :) | 10:40 |
| Nafallo | update-notifier doesn't work for me :-/ | 10:40 |
| mbreit | dholbach: my television is my pc... i just want to be able to watch tv... and therefor i need the v4l module | 10:41 |
| dholbach | i see | 10:42 |
| Riddell | ogra: hi | 10:50 |
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| mbreit | i need a motu to review and upload a drpython-fix... won't take long, just a small debdiff... | 11:19 |
| dholbach | mbreit: link? :) | 11:20 |
| mbreit | http://ubuntu.mobr.de/sources/debdiffs/drpython_3.10.13-1ubuntu1.debdiff | 11:20 |
| dholbach | how nice does it work? | 11:21 |
| mbreit | very nice ;) | 11:21 |
| dholbach | did you very absolutely well test it? | 11:21 |
| dholbach | :) | 11:21 |
| dholbach | you will receive all following bug reports :) | 11:21 |
| mbreit | well, i build it, i started it, i loaded a file, and it was still running ;) | 11:21 |
| dholbach | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/d/drpython/drpython_3.10.13-2/changelog :) | 11:22 |
| mbreit | wtf? | 11:22 |
| dholbach | sounds like a sync from debian experimental was in order :) | 11:23 |
| dholbach | sorry for that :) | 11:23 |
| mbreit | yeah... damn... | 11:23 |
| mbreit | dholbach: it's not your fault... i should have looked in debian experimental | 11:23 |
| dholbach | be sure to mail james.troup@canonical.com to sync it | 11:24 |
| dholbach | don't worry | 11:24 |
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| dholbach | it's just the thing what i learnt from all the MergeOMatic business | 11:24 |
| mbreit | james.troup? why him? | 11:25 |
| dholbach | he's elmo | 11:25 |
| dholbach | because he does syncs... in general | 11:25 |
| mbreit | oh, okay | 11:25 |
| mbreit | so i have to write him an email that he should sync drpython with debian experimental? | 11:26 |
| dholbach | yes... and add a "please" somewhere - and tell that their fix works nicely for you :) | 11:27 |
| mbreit | hehe... okay, i'll do that | 11:27 |
| ogra | and that dholbach approved the UVF override ;) | 11:28 |
| mbreit | uvf? | 11:28 |
| ogra | upastream version freeze | 11:28 |
| ogra | upstream | 11:28 |
| mbreit | well, it's no new upstream version? | 11:28 |
| ogra | all new upstream versions need approval since some weeks | 11:28 |
| dholbach | it's just a debian fix | 11:29 |
| dholbach | not a new version | 11:29 |
| ogra | oh... | 11:29 |
| ogra | i thought its a newversion... then forget about it | 11:29 |
| mbreit | okay, email is on the way.. | 11:33 |
| JanC | new drpython package depending on wxpython 2.6 ? nice :) | 11:39 |
| mbreit | yes... and that works quite well | 11:39 |
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| mbreit | going to bed now... good night everybody! | 12:00 |
| dholbach | sleep tight moritz | 12:00 |
| mbreit | thanks | 12:01 |
| herzi | dholbach: ping | 12:05 |
| dholbach | pong | 12:05 |
| dholbach | herzi: pong :) | 12:06 |
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