[12:07] <dholbach> so you can relax a bit together
[12:07] <\sh> mbreit: uploaded
[12:07] <ogra> dholbach, nah... he should make her MOTU, then she can help here ;)
[12:07] <dholbach> ogra: man... :)
[12:08] <ogra> :)
[12:08] <\sh> dholbach: yeah..later that month..but hell no..I'm on a training *eeks* and then I want to go to berlin to meet treenaks and eventually dholbach ah thats you ;)
[12:08] <\sh> ogra: where is your better half to help us here? some rolls and some snacks would be fine ,-)
[12:08] <dholbach> \sh: ok :)
[12:09] <dholbach> kmess... what a name for a project
[12:09] <dholbach> tststs
[12:09] <mbreit> \sh: thanks, but my email adress is not yet whitelisted ;)
[12:09] <ogra> \sh, i asked her.... she still thinks about the meaning of the words :)
[12:09] <\sh> ogra: and actually her son is better in computer then she is...so I will ask her son ;)
[12:10] <\sh> ogra: didn't you show here last night, what it means: MOTU? *run'n'hide'
[12:10] <ogra> lol
[12:11] <ogra> \sh, i sowed her last night what it means if your boyfriend has to build a distro like every night :-P
[12:11] <ogra> showed even
[12:11] <\sh> ahaha
[12:11] <mbreit> oh, xdiskusage failed to compile... we need to tell bddebian about pbuilder ;)
[12:12] <\sh> mbreit: please send the patches as well to the debian maintainer :) thx
[12:12] <\sh> mbreit: but only the gcc4 amd64 patches
[12:13] <\sh> ok...and now...I go and sleep...g'night
[12:13] <ajmitch> night \sh
[12:13] <mbreit> good night \sh
[12:13] <ogra> ciao \sh_away
[12:15] <dholbach> ok i did 5 reviews today - that's just like review day :)
[12:17] <mbreit> dholbach: i think you are the only one doing reviews atm...
[12:17] <dholbach> shall i take a leaf out of \sh's book and go to bed early or do something else?
[12:17] <Mez> o_O
[12:18] <Mez> my name shows up :D
[12:18] <dholbach> mbreit: Riddell, siretart, ivoks, Mez and slomo did some as well
[12:18] <Mez> hehe :D
[12:18] <Mez> I dont know if thats just cause I'm whitelisted or cause I've been added, but yay my name shows up
[12:18] <mbreit> dholbach: i said atm... i know that slomo did many reviews... and siretart as well
[12:18] <dholbach> maybe there were not as much as anal as i was :)
[12:18] <Riddell> but dholbach is the best at it :)
[12:18] <mbreit> but atm slomo is on holiday and siretart works on his theses..
[12:18] <dholbach> Riddell: sorry for keeping the kde apps from being uploaded :)
[12:19] <dholbach> Riddell: but it's not just them - i just thought you suffer most from that part of the story
[12:19] <Mez> dholbach, = uber scary reviewer
[12:19] <mbreit> Riddell: if you want to get better, there is my gnomeradio package waiting for a few votes ;)
[12:19] <dholbach> sorry for that
[12:20] <Mez> dholbach, i cant be bothered to remember the code for it
[12:20] <dholbach> Mez: don't worry
[12:20] <Mez> dholbach or load up kcharmap
[12:20] <Riddell> mbreit: hmm, that sounds like gnome to me
[12:21] <mbreit> Riddell: if you want a kde package, there is my noteedit debdiff ;))
[12:21] <dholbach> Riddell: slacker - i reviewed quite a bunch of kde apps :-p
[12:24] <dholbach> majic: ah ok
[12:25] <majic> dholbach, it's seeming a bit overwhelming with all the information out there on net about package creation. There is quite a bit of information overload.
[12:25] <dholbach> majic: absolutely
[12:25] <dholbach> majic: we use REVU as a tool to review packages and give hints on what to do with them
[12:26] <dholbach> dh_make is a good start to get templates for the stuff in the debian/ directory
[12:26] <majic> okay, hypothetically if I built a package how do I know that I've built it correctly (in terms of fitting into the Ubuntu way of doing things)
[12:26] <dholbach> and on REVU (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU has some info on it) you can see quite a lot of source packages, which are in different states of quality
[12:27] <dholbach> majic: we review it, pbuilder is a nice tool to make sure it builds on a build daemon (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto)
[12:27] <dholbach> majic: and lintian/linda are tools which help you to get a clue of what goes wrong too
[12:27] <dholbach> majic: we added some tips on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingTips as well
[12:28] <dholbach> majic: but first i'd   apt-get source    a similar package and have a look at that
[12:29] <dholbach> Mez: MAN! :) how do you check debdiffs against a current version? :)
[12:29] <Mez> dholbach, I wget :D
[12:29] <majic> dholbach, thanks
[12:29] <dholbach> :-)
[12:29] <dholbach> majic: anytime
[12:29] <Mez> I've never done anything other than that :D
[12:29] <Mez> lol
[12:29] <dholbach> majic: #ubuntu-motu is the place to be to get you there
[12:29] <Mez> mainly cause I used to (until recently) be on hoary :d
[12:29] <majic> yeah I'm looking into using Pbuilder and have successfully built 2 packages with it. The breezy Ruby package and another one.
[12:29] <dholbach> majic: super
[12:30] <majic> I can't learn this stuff fast enough =)
[12:30] <majic> I wanna help out so damn bad, haha.
[12:30] <dholbach> majic: you'll make it, definitely and sooner than you think, i'm quite sure
[12:31] <dholbach> majic: helping out in fixing build-dependencies and rebuilding stuff (in the motu crew) helped me to get a feel for it
[12:32] <majic> I would help out with the UnmetDeps (I think that's what you guys are calling it) but I don't have time to play with Breezy right now.
[12:33] <dholbach> majic: building in a breezy pbuilder (and making sure they're installable in a breezy chroot) should be cool too, but you might get other views on where you could help out in here, too
[12:36] <ajmitch> majic: don't worry, you can get in quicker as a MOTU than in debian ;)
[12:36] <majic> I think I'll look around for some software that isn't packaged and try to package it up
[12:36] <CarlFK> when making a deb, where are the configure parameters stored?
[12:36] <ajmitch> CarlFK: debian/rules
[12:36] <tseng> ajmitch: understatement for the win.
[12:36] <ajmitch> tseng: it took me 3+ years for debian
[12:36] <tseng> rock on.
[12:36] <CarlFK> tx
[12:37] <tseng> meebey is going on 6 months
[12:37] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, why did it take you so long?
[12:37] <majic> and then I'll ask for some people to review it, see if it looks good and is in the Ubuntu way of doing things. But before all that I have alot of reading to do =)
[12:37] <ajmitch> Received application 2001-12-11
[12:37] <ajmitch> Account Created 2005-02-03
[12:37] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: Real Life intervened ;)
[12:37] <dholbach> i wonder how long it will take me
[12:38] <ajmitch> my AM was jordi, he was quite good about it
[12:38] <ajmitch> so it took me over 3 years before I met him in person :)
[12:39] <dholbach> hehe :)
[12:39] <tseng> you have to meet your am?
[12:39] <ajmitch> not at all
[12:39] <tseng> yeah.
[12:39] <ajmitch> but jordi was at UDU
[12:39] <tseng> yes.
[12:39] <tseng> sortof
[12:39] <ajmitch> heh
[12:39] <tseng> zombie jordi
[12:39] <ajmitch> poor guy
[12:40] <tseng> xfce 4.2 is pretty rad
[12:40] <tseng> i dont think ill replace gnome, but eh
[12:40] <tseng> its fun
[12:41] <dholbach> i'm off to bed pals - see you around
[12:41] <crimsun> cya dholbach
[12:41] <mbreit> night dholbach
[12:43] <ajmitch> tseng: I found it pretty good, still prefer a nice gnome desktop though
[12:43] <ajmitch> wishing I had one here at work
[12:43] <whiprush> evening folks
[12:44] <whiprush> tseng: you live!
[12:44] <ajmitch> whiprush!
[12:44] <tseng> whiprush: i am tough as nails
[12:44] <whiprush> heh
[12:45] <tseng> hm where did that last upload go to
[12:45] <mbreit> why does gltron not show up in the build logs? it was accepted before the packages like qsynth...
[12:46] <ajmitch> tseng: check breezy/unstable in changelog
[12:46] <tseng> ajmitch: ah-right
[12:46] <ajmitch> it's the most common mistake I make
[12:46] <Riddell> universe/games/gltron_0.70final-5build3: Dep-Wait by buildd+terranova [optional:out-of-date] 
[12:46] <Riddell>   Dependencies: libgl-dev
[12:46] <tseng> REJECT THIS, JACKASS
[12:46] <Riddell> mbreit: is it dep-waiting libgl-dev?
[12:46] <whiprush> ok, this gnome-screensaver lock dialog is dead sexy.
[12:47] <mbreit> hmm.. does that mean that it will be build after libgl-dev?
[12:47] <mbreit> and where can i get that message from?
[12:48] <Riddell> mbreit: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/buildLogs/Lists/breezy.all.i386
[12:48] <Riddell> mbreit: it might mean that, or it might mean there's a problem with the build daemons
[12:48] <Riddell> mbreit: so, is a sufficient version of libgl-dev built?
[12:48] <Burgundavia> whiprush, what is the point of the count down thing?
[12:49] <mbreit> Riddell: i don't know...
[12:49] <ajmitch> whiprush: heard any news about TheFridge from jdub?
[12:49] <whiprush> No idea, other than most lockdown stuff has always had one.
[12:49] <whiprush> ajmitch: I sent him a note yesterday.
[12:49] <Burgundavia> whiprush, never mind
[12:49] <whiprush> elmo got a linode all set up
[12:49] <ajmitch> great
[12:49] <Riddell> mbreit: well what version of libgl-dev does it need?
[12:50] <whiprush> so I'm assuming it's still a go after Mr. IGotAndAwardWorhipMe gets home. :)
[12:50] <Burgundavia> we have somebody on the forums about to start there own site, plus spreadubuntu
[12:50] <Burgundavia> whiprush, rofl
[12:50] <tseng> whiprush: its ready to go live?
[12:50] <whiprush> tseng: hahahahaha.
[12:50] <whiprush> right.
[12:51] <ajmitch> ready to start development, you mean
[12:52] <whiprush> yes.
[12:52] <mbreit> Riddell: xlibmesa-gl-dev without any spezified version
[12:52] <tseng> dude
[12:52] <tseng> you guys are slow
[12:52] <mbreit> but it seems that xlibmesa-gl is broken atm...
[12:52] <tseng> ive built a complex web app from scratch since udu
[12:52] <tseng> you guys cant even write a few articles
[12:53] <mbreit> that's why bddebian's xdiskusage failed, too
[12:53] <ajmitch> whiprush: right, so when can we start the jdub fanboy club on the fridge?
[12:53] <whiprush> Well, the writing isn't a problem for me.
[12:53] <ajmitch> tseng: yeah, that's what I get paid to work on too :P
[12:54] <whiprush> though, if it takes us more than a few days to slap some ubuntu art on drupal then yes, it will be sad.
[12:55] <ajmitch> who's doing the artwork though?
[12:55] <whiprush> I saw some mockups from andy right after udu.
[12:55] <whiprush> dunno though, I assumed him and jdub were working that out.
[12:55] <Riddell> mbreit: there's no such package as libgl-dev
[12:55] <ajmitch> ah good
[12:55] <Burgundavia> whiprush, andy was working on look and feel, afaik
[12:56] <mbreit> Riddell, there is also no build-dep to that... just to xlibmesa-gl-dev
[12:56] <ajmitch> I'd hate for a prominent site to look like the rear end of a bus
[12:56] <whiprush> heh
[12:56] <tseng> andy++
[12:56] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, can I quote you on that?
[12:56] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: if you wish
[12:57] <Riddell> mbreit: looks like a problem with the build daemons then, poke lamont
[12:58] <ajmitch> does lamont still get paid to do all this ubuntu work?
[12:58] <ajmitch> or is it just of love, I wonder?
[12:59] <lamont> ajmitch: love
[12:59] <ajmitch> lamont: your dedication is impressive
[01:00] <tseng> meh, what does MOTU work for
[01:00] <tseng> but definately a big lamont++
[01:00] <lamont> hehe
[01:00] <ajmitch> we work for fame & glory, of course
[01:00] <ajmitch> or bugreports
[01:00] <Riddell> wow, dholbach approved gnomeradio.  that's the first package I've seen him approve
[01:00] <lamont> actually, much of what I'm doing now is driven by getting the hppa and ia64 ports happy, as well as just doing fun cool stuff.
[01:00] <lamont> the crap work I give to infinity. :-P
[01:01] <whiprush> heh
[01:02] <mbreit> Riddell: it a very clean small package... but i needed to change some things to make dholbach happy ;)
[01:02] <Riddell> how does gnome stuff get from Makefile.am to Makefile.in?
[01:02] <ajmitch> oh evil, breezy goal meeting at 3AM local time
[01:04] <mbreit> Riddell: i think they have a autogen-script in cvs that is deleted before making release-tarballs
[01:04] <Riddell> hmm, so if the packages has to fix Makefile.am then you're screwed
[01:04] <Mez> tseng: ping
[01:04] <tseng> yes
[01:05] <tseng> i see you
[01:05] <Mez> ah ok
[01:05] <tseng> the packages are fine in breezy
[01:05] <tseng> if he wants to just install those
[01:05] <mbreit> Riddell: have you seen my noteedit patch?
[01:05] <mbreit> thats exactly the problem there...
[01:06] <mbreit> i needed to patch configure.in.in... and then let debian/rules rebuild the configure-script
[01:07] <mbreit> Riddell: http://ubuntu.mobr.de/sources/debdiffs/noteedit_2.7.1-2ubuntu1.debdiff you would make me very happy if you could review (and eventually upload) that ;)
[01:08] <Riddell> still on gnomeradio, all these gnome deps take ages to install
[01:08] <mbreit> Riddell: oh, did not know that... then thanks for doing that!
[01:10] <ogra> Riddell, nah, they are preinstalled :)
[01:12] <CarlFK> woo!
[01:12] <CarlFK> ../transcode_1.0.0-0.1_i386.deb
[01:12] <CarlFK> it built!
[01:13] <Riddell> mbreit: what is /usr/share/omf/gnomeradio/gnomeradio-C.omf ?
[01:15] <mbreit> it looks like the users manual
[01:16] <schweeb> hey all
[01:16] <mbreit> Riddell: it's actually a part of that
[01:17] <Riddell> I know, but what is omf?
[01:19] <mbreit> open source metadata framework
[01:19] <Riddell> gosh.  what's one of them?
[01:19] <Riddell> approved by the way :)
[01:19] <mbreit> oh, thanks!
[01:20] <mbreit> btw: omf has something to do with scrollkeeper
[01:22] <Riddell> don't know what that is either
[01:23] <mbreit> scrollkeeper is a system for managing document metadata..
[01:24] <mbreit> it keeps track of all available gnome documentation (manuals) for the gnome help browser...
[01:28] <Riddell> mbreit: quite an ugly debdiff that
[01:28] <mbreit> i know...
[01:28] <Riddell> mbreit: no need to build-dep on autoconf2.13 and autoconf
[01:28] <Riddell> mbreit: and build-dep on automake1.9 not automake
[01:28] <mbreit> well, yes, there is need to do that
[01:28] <mbreit> cause i had to change configure.in.in...
[01:29] <mbreit> so configure needs to be regenerated
[01:29] <Riddell> mbreit: I mean it has both autoconf2.13 and autoconf, only 1 needed
[01:29] <mbreit> okay, i see...
[01:30] <Riddell> mbreit: also you add  make -f admin/Makefile.common cvs  to the build target
[01:30] <Riddell> mbreit: but your 03 patch already contains all the changes made by that
[01:32] <mbreit> no, the 03 patch just changes the admin/acinclude.m4.in by that from kde svn
[01:32] <mbreit> nothing more
[01:32] <Riddell> ah ok
[01:35] <majic> it's funny, there is a package in debian for some software I wrote and have been maintaining, there were quite a few patches made and nobody ever bothered to let me know. That's hilarious
[01:37] <mbreit> Riddell: fixed the build-dep issues... removed autoconf build dep and changed automake to automake1.9
[01:37] <Mez> majic, lol - thats probably because a lot of upstram authors tell DDs to "go away" (thats the polite version) when they try and send patches back
[01:37] <ajmitch> Mez: not necessarily
[01:37] <Mez> ajmitch, a lot do...
[01:37] <Mez> or ignore
[01:37] <Mez> or just dont want the packages
[01:37] <ajmitch> I've had pretty good luck getting changes upstream
[01:38] <majic> I mean it's not a huge deal, but I would have appreciated an email. I could have incorporated these changes
[01:38] <Mez> or at le least have in the past
[01:38] <Mez> majic: yeah, I can understand that, just a lot of DDs dont bother trying anymore cause of previous bad experiences
[01:38] <Mez> email the DD who works on it and ask him to mail you packages
[01:38] <Mez> patches *
[01:38] <ajmitch> for all my packages I solely maintain, I have commit access upstream
[01:38] <Mez> what package is it btw majic, out of curiosity
[01:39] <Mez> ajmitch, thats you
[01:39] <Mez> :P
[01:39] <majic> it's a small window manager called aewm++ that was born from yet another small window manager called aewm
[01:39] <crimsun> ah, aewm++
[01:39] <crimsun> lots of wms spawned from aewm.
[01:39] <Riddell> mbreit: compiles and runs, all looks good.  well done
[01:40] <mbreit> thanks! so you want to upload that? ;)
[01:40] <mbreit> yay, my qcad changes have been build ;)
[01:49] <Riddell> mbreit: uploading..
[01:49] <mbreit> cool!
[02:07] <mbreit> Riddell: still uploading?
[02:11] <Riddell> mbreit: sorry, got distracted by pbuilding the wrong .dsc file
[02:12] <mbreit> no problem
[02:12] <mbreit> i was just wondering why it does not show up on breezy-changes
[02:16] <Riddell> noteedit_2.7.1-2ubuntu1_source.changes ACCEPTED
[02:16] <Riddell> woo
[02:18] <mbreit> thanks!
[02:31] <mbreit> hi bddebian
[02:32] <mbreit> bddebian: xdiskusage did not build... see buildlogs for the reason... seems to be a broken mesa package
[02:39] <mbreit> i am going to bed now... see you all tomorrow... good night
[03:03] <bddebian> Ack, that makes no sense..
[03:19] <bddebian> Why does xdiskusage install clean for me in a clean pbuilder but not normally?
[03:33] <ajmitch> because it doesn't like you, of course
[03:33] <bddebian> :'-(
[03:33] <ajmitch> isn't that your usual response? ;)
[03:33] <majic> what exactly does the watch file do in the debian folder of a package?
[03:34] <majic> package source that is
[03:34] <bddebian> Serously, it installs fine for me in pbuilder after I rebuilt it but the buildlog fails one a depends for xlibmesa-glu
[03:34] <ajmitch> lets you watch for upstream updates
[03:34] <ajmitch> man uscan for more info, I can't tell you much :)
[03:35] <majic> ajmitch, how would I know. Would I know only when I build a new package?
[03:35] <majic> what exactly let's me know
[03:35] <ajmitch> see the manpage.. it's also useful for automated checks in debian
[03:35] <bddebian> See ajmitch, you hate me too :-)
[03:36] <majic> ajmitch, which manpage?
[03:36] <ajmitch> man uscan
[03:36] <majic> oh, I thought you were talking to somebody else
[03:37] <majic> uscan - looked like some scanner tools (as in like an HP scanjet)
[03:37] <bddebian> heh
[03:37] <ajmitch> bddebian: nah, not at all, you're just paranoid ;)
[03:37] <majic> haha
[03:38] <majic> hmm, looks like I don't have uscan installed
[03:38] <ajmitch> apt-get install devscripts
[03:38] <ajmitch> devscripts is a very useful & important package for package development
[03:39] <majic> hmm, I didn't run across that yet mentioned in the wiki. My reading comprehension sucks probably.
[03:39] <ajmitch> perhaps not everyone uses it, but I can't live without it :)
[03:39] <ajmitch> bddebian: great, please put all these comments there
[03:41] <bddebian> OK.  Any idea about my problem?
[03:43] <ajmitch> bddebian: it's broken
[03:43] <ajmitch> check that your pbuilder is up to date
[03:43] <bddebian> I just updated before trying it again
[03:43] <ajmitch> since building with an out-of-date pbuilder can mislead you
[03:45] <bddebian> I just updated before trying it again
[03:45] <ajmitch> why are you using xlibmes-glu-dev ?
[03:46] <bddebian> All I did was rebuild the package
[03:46] <ajmitch> and the build-depends are wrong
[03:46] <ajmitch> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUGLUTransition
[03:47] <ajmitch> not sure how up-to-date that page is in terms of packages
[03:47] <ajmitch> but it has the right build deps
[03:47] <bddebian> Sheesh, how am I supposed to keep up with all this shiite? :)
[03:47] <gradzac> anyone know where there is a ubuntu rootfs for uml?
[03:48] <ajmitch> bddebian: simple, look on the wiki, it has a search feature if you don't get the news about transitions :)
[03:49] <bddebian> ajmitch: How would I know what to search for without even knowing it was an issue?? :-)
[03:49] <ajmitch> well the build logs just told you that it was an issue
[03:49] <bddebian> You are a big help :-)
[03:50] <ajmitch> bddebian: yes, I am
[03:50] <ajmitch> bddebian: I am helping you by telling you to look for things when problems occur :)
[03:51] <bddebian> :-)
[03:54] <bddebian> I still don't get why it installs in my pbuilder though..
[03:55] <ajmitch> installs, or builds?
[03:56] <bddebian> installs
[03:56] <ajmitch> why would you care about installation, when it's the build that fails?
[03:56] <ajmitch> you did test the build in a clean, up-to-date pbuilder, right?
[03:56] <bddebian> Yes
[03:57] <ajmitch> it can't have been terribly up-to-date if it succeeded with the build-deps still set at xlibmesa-glu-dev
[03:58] <Mez> bddebian, are you building ina  BREEZY pbuild
[03:58] <bddebian> Anyway, xlibmesa-glu-dev build-dep should be xlibmesa-xorg-deb right
[03:58] <bddebian> Mez: I have breezy install and breezy pbuilder :-)
[03:58] <Mez> bddebian, then how the hell does it build?
[03:58] <bddebian> s/-deb/-dev
[03:58] <Lathiat> libglu1-xorg-dev or something isnt it?
[03:58] <ajmitch> Mez: it shouldn't
[03:59] <Mez> bddebian, sudo pbuilder login --save-after-login
[03:59] <Lathiat> ajmitch: i thought it should
[03:59] <ajmitch> and it won't in any sane chroot or breezy setup
[03:59] <Mez> then
[03:59] <Mez> apt-cache clean
[03:59] <Lathiat> ajmitch: i thought it just upset the buildds
[03:59] <ajmitch> Lathiat: not with just xlibmesa-glu-dev
[03:59] <ajmitch> afaik
[03:59] <ajmitch> Lathiat: there is that possibility
[03:59] <Mez> ajmitch, It may if he has the old package installed on the pbuild ;)
[04:00] <bddebian> Lathiat: Oh yeah, sorry: libglu1-xorg-dev
[04:00] <Mez> bddebian, do the following and paste the output
[04:00] <Mez> sudo pbuilder login
[04:01] <Mez> dpkg -l xlibmesa-glu-dev
[04:01] <Mez> apt-cache madison xlibmesa-glu-dev
[04:01] <Mez> just the output from the last 2 commands
[04:01] <Mez> to see where they hell you're getting that package from
[04:01] <bddebian> ajmitch: :-)
[04:01] <Lathiat> wtf is madison?
[04:02] <Mez> Lathiat, It's madison the archive managers little sister
[04:02] <Mez> as pitti put it
[04:02] <bddebian> Mez: dpkg -l yeilds No packages found matching xlibmesa-glu-dev
[04:02] <Mez> then how the hell does it build if it's B-D on that
[04:02] <Mez> I think someones telling porkys
[04:03] <bddebian> I dunno maybe I'm on crack
[04:03] <Mez> Lathiat, check man apt-cache
[04:03] <Mez> madison's REALLY useful
[04:04] <bddebian> madison does yeild a bunch but I don't have it on this machine to dump the output and I aint typing it all :-)
[04:05] <Mez> madison shouldnt yield anything
[04:05] <ajmitch> somehow there's a xlibmesa-glu-dev binary still in universe, supposedly built from xorg source at 6.8.2-10
[04:05] <ajmitch> at least according to the packages list I have
[04:05] <Mez> wait
[04:05] <Mez> sorry
[04:05] <ajmitch> that's some serious breakage, the binary should be removed
[04:06] <Mez> xlibmesa-glu-dev |   6.8.2-10 | http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe Packages
[04:06] <ajmitch> Mez: obsolete, it should be removed
[04:06] <Mez> ajmitch, good idea
[04:06] <ajmitch> unless that was the version in hoary
[04:06] <bddebian> So I'm not totally stoned? :-)
[04:07] <ajmitch> in which case, it's just the Packages.gz that is wrong
[04:07] <ajmitch> bddebian: you are, fix the broken build-depends
[04:07] <bddebian> ajmitch: I'm doing that already :-)
[04:07] <Mez> ajmitch, it's the same version, but, it's in universe
[04:07] <ajmitch> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=xlibmesa-glu-dev&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all
[04:07] <ajmitch> Mez: yep, breakage
[04:08] <Mez> ajmitch, yeah, but pool points back to main
[04:08] <Mez> ajmitch, you should email elmo about that
[04:08] <Mez> it shouldnt have been NEWd in breezt
[04:08] <ajmitch> daniels might want to hear about it too
[04:08] <Mez> CC
[04:08] <Mez> :D
[04:08] <ajmitch> go ahead, be my guest
[04:09] <ajmitch> I'm just a lowly MOTU
[04:14] <Mez> ajmitch, so am I
[04:14] <Mez> you email them :D and tell them
[04:15] <Mez> james.troup@ubuntu.com and  daniel.stone@ubuntu.com
[04:15] <Mez> and CC me
[04:15] <Mez> martin@sourceguru.net
[04:15] <Mez> ajmitch, you might not be, but I dont have upload rights and I'm about to go to bed
[04:15] <ajmitch> hehe ok
[04:15] <Mez> ;)
[04:15] <Mez> I await your CC
[04:15] <Mez> g'night
[04:16] <ajmitch> ;)
[04:16] <ajmitch> night
[04:17] <bddebian> Sorry, family came home
[04:55] <bddebian> ajmitch: Did you go too?
[04:59] <bddebian> Are you / did you notify the above?
[04:59] <ajmitch> no, I didn't, I said I'm at work
[04:59] <bddebian> If anyone is bored, could you check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUWannabeTips
[05:00] <bddebian> ajmitch: Well, you are talking here aren't you?? ;-P
[05:01] <ajmitch> " If there was not an ubuntuX version, be sure to downgrade back the epoch version from upstream and add ubuntu1"
[05:01] <ajmitch> there is no epoch being changed
[05:01] <bddebian> Wrong?
[05:01] <ajmitch> epoch has a specific meaning in debian
[05:01] <bddebian> If you use dch -i it does, doesn't it?
[05:01] <ajmitch> new package from source has -0ubuntu1 version
[05:01] <ajmitch> no!
[05:01] <bddebian> Are you sure?
[05:02] <ajmitch> look up what epoch means in debian & why they should very very rarely be used
[05:02] <bddebian> Then what do you call the -X portion of the version, in say 1.0.1-X ?
[05:02] <chillywilly> hi
[05:03] <bddebian> Heya chillywilly
[05:03] <ajmitch> the revision
[05:03] <chillywilly> http://basecamphq.com
[05:03] <ajmitch> epoch is like A:x.y.z-1
[05:03] <ajmitch> with the epoch is A
[05:03] <ajmitch> http://workshop.linspire.com/package-version-policy.html
[05:03] <bddebian> ajmitch: Ahh
[05:04] <ajmitch> see there for example
[05:05] <Amaranth> http://blogs.qtdeveloper.net/archives/2005/08/03/some-basic-thoughts-about-kde-4/
[05:05] <Amaranth> KDE guys start thinking like GNOME guys, oh dear
[05:05] <ajmitch> cxx transition should not change the -dev package name
[05:05] <ajmitch> you're missing useful things like apt-cache rdepends
[05:06] <ajmitch> and grep-dctrl/grep-available
[05:06] <bddebian> Ohh, that's right, epochs are used to override versioning screw-ups right?
[05:06] <ajmitch> yes
[05:06] <bddebian> ajmitch: Where did I say they should change the -dev name?
[05:06] <bddebian> Damn man, I just started the thing.. :-)
[05:07] <ajmitch> in the example for apt-cache dump
[05:07] <ajmitch> and I"m giving you feedback
[05:07] <ajmitch> I'll stop now if you'd prefer
[05:07] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, who is doing usplash?
[05:07] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: no idea, but it's not me
[05:07] <bddebian> ajmitch: Oh, so that is a bad example you are saying?  There would never be a libfooc2-dev?
[05:08] <ajmitch> bddebian: there usually wouldn't be
[05:08] <bddebian> OK, fair enough
[05:09] <ajmitch> grep-dctrl says there are none, and I'm sure that policy specifies it too
[05:09] <bddebian> OK, thanks
[05:10] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: Matthew Garrett, iirc
[05:10] <ajmitch> I'd find apt-cache rdepends far more useful, to find out what depends on a package
[05:10] <ajmitch> and grep-dctrl to find build-deps
[05:10] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: mjg59
[05:12] <bddebian> I have never used grep-dctrl
[05:12] <bddebian>  rdepends shows you what packages depend on *that* package doesn't it?
[05:12] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, ok
[05:12] <ajmitch> yes
[05:13] <ajmitch> eg, apt-cache rdepends libwxgtk2.4c2
[05:13] <ajmitch> shows me a list of packages I need to get rebuilt
[05:13] <bddebian> Aye
[05:15] <bddebian> ajmitch: I don't seem to have grep-dctrl, what is that from?
[05:16] <ajmitch> bddebian: grep-dctrl..
[05:16] <bddebian> Oh, hehe
[05:17] <ajmitch> btw, dlocate is much much faster than dpkg -S
[05:18] <bddebian> Yeah, yeah, I did it that way after I asked the dumb ass question
[05:18] <bddebian> Good god, why am I writing this??
[05:18] <ajmitch> because you volunteered, sucker :P
[05:24] <bddebian> OK, better now?
[05:30] <ajmitch> nope
[05:30] <ajmitch> you mentioned my name in there
[06:19] <chillywilly> ok, I really do not like KDE
[06:19] <chillywilly> makes me want to gouge my eyes out
[06:20] <ajmitch> you don't have to use it
[06:22] <chillywilly> I'm not
[06:23] <chillywilly> just thought I would play with it but I just can't stand looking at it
[06:23] <chillywilly> now I have tons of KDE packages dirtying up my menus
[06:23] <chillywilly> :P
[06:24] <Burgundavia> chillywilly, if you don't like it, that is fine. There is no need to bash it
[06:24] <Burgundavia> chillywilly, for the record, I prefer gnome as well
[06:25] <chillywilly> not really bashing it but I think gnome has a more professional look while KDE looks like a cartoon to me ;)
[06:26] <chillywilly> ok, maybe I am poking at it some
[06:26] <chillywilly> I'll stop now
[09:46] <herve> morning
[09:51] <dholbach> hellas
[09:52] <dholbach> look what i found while reviewing qt4-x11: http://www.trolltech.com/video/qt4dance.html
[09:54] <dholbach> Riddell: i nearly wet myself, those qt guys are crazy :)
[09:55] <ajmitch> hi dholbach
[09:55] <dholbach> hey andrew
[09:55] <dholbach> :)
[11:30] <\sh> mornin
[11:30] <\sh> g
[11:30] <dholbach> hey \sh
[11:30] <mbreit> good morning!
[11:31] <dholbach> hey moritz
[11:31] <\sh> hey dholbach
[11:31] <mbreit> hey dholbach...
[11:32] <mbreit> btw: what does universe/sound/noteedit_2.7.1-2ubuntu1: Not-For-Us [optional:out-of-date]  mean?
[11:32] <dholbach> what distribution did you have in dbeian/changelog?
[11:32] <mbreit> breezy
[11:33] <dholbach> hm
[11:33] <dholbach> better ask on #ubuntu-devel
[11:33] <mbreit> okay..
[11:36] <ajmitch> infinity or lamont can answer best, I'd say
[11:38] <\sh> normally it's waiting for something
[11:39] <mbreit> the same entry was for noteedit_2.7.1-2build1 before...
[11:40] <\sh> is it new?
[11:40] <\sh> no
[11:41] <mbreit> no, i just fixed compilation on gcc4
[11:49] <Riddell> dholbach: you mean you weren't taken aback by the professionalism of their marketing?
[11:50] <dholbach> Riddell: erm well... taken aback... yes :)
[11:50] <Burgundavia> marketing?
[11:51] <dholbach> http://planet.ubuntu.com :)
[12:17] <koke> maybe we should have a promotional video with the badger dance :)
[12:23] <Amaranth> yeah, how about no?
[12:24] <Amaranth> the qt 4 music video scares the shit out of me
[12:25] <Amaranth> one nice thing: my connection is fast enough to stream that 47MB mpg
[12:25] <Treenaks> QT4 music video?
[12:25] <Treenaks> *shudder*
[12:25] <dholbach> haha :)
[12:26] <Treenaks> The gnome devs should do something like this at the next GUADEC :)
[12:26] <Amaranth> you want to see jdub dance?
[12:27] <Amaranth> i'm sure we could get sabdfl to do it after some drinks ;)
[12:27] <Treenaks> Amaranth: we've seen sabdfl, mdz, etc. sing that song at debconf...
[12:27] <Amaranth> that reminds me, does anyone have that video?
[12:27] <ajmitch> nope, never seen it
[12:28] <ajmitch> it disappeared very quickly
[12:28] <Amaranth> aye
[12:28] <Amaranth> it was up for a couple hours
[12:28] <dholbach> i didnt see it either
[12:29] <ajmitch> I think mako has a copy if you ask him nicely
[12:29] <ajmitch> he doesn't have the bandwidth to stick it up for everyone to grab
[12:30] <dholbach> people.ubuntu.com should be fine :)
[12:38] <dholbach> *cough slightly*
[12:38] <dholbach> i'm perfectly alright with doing the funky motu dance... but singing
[12:39] <dholbach> only under the shower
[12:39] <jsgotangco> dude i said singing at wembley
[12:39] <jsgotangco> that's like 50,000+ capacity
[12:39] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:40] <dholbach> well... let us all wait where this MOTU thing goes
[12:40] <dholbach> (and i'll take singing lessons until then ;-))
[12:41] <Treenaks> signing lessons ;)
[12:42] <dholbach> Treenaks: it's not me who failed to sign all the keys on http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/henkp/pgp/pathfinder/stats/A94050AF.html - it's all been the others :)
[12:42] <Treenaks> dholbach: other signatures : 6
[12:43] <ajmitch> dholbach: you need more sigs, you're out of the top 1000
[12:43] <dholbach> Treenaks: that's because they didnt manage to import the keys i sent them
[12:43] <Treenaks> ajmitch: debconf and wth took care of that...
[12:43] <jsgotangco> who is part of the top 1000?
[12:43] <dholbach> jsgotangco: i was
[12:43] <jsgotangco> ooohhhh
[12:43] <Treenaks> I'm still in :)
[12:43] <jsgotangco> this is like pokemon
[12:43] <Treenaks> http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/henkp/pgp/pathfinder/stats/3FA5E031.html
[12:44] <Treenaks> by a small margin
[12:46] <jsgotangco> oh well i see you all later
[12:46] <dholbach> bye jerome
[12:46] <jsgotangco> a few hours ago, i just joined the ranks of the unemployed :)
[12:46] <dholbach> oh... anything in sight yet?
[12:47] <jsgotangco> none at the moment, i just finished a contract with an employer
[12:48] <jsgotangco> although i can live off with my savings in a few months fortunately :)
[12:48] <dholbach> i hope the best for you
[12:48] <jsgotangco> :D
[12:48] <jsgotangco> they're taking me to karaoke later
[12:49] <jsgotangco> i will probably drop by the 15utc meeting
[12:49] <dholbach> hehe... karaoke night! :)
[12:54] <ivoks> hi all
[12:54] <ajmitch> hi ivoks
[12:55] <ivoks> happy thanks giving day and day of victory for all from croatia :)
[12:55] <ivoks> ajmitch: hi
[12:56] <Treenaks> aug 05  Dan domovinske zahvalnosti
[12:56] <Treenaks> that's what calendar tells me
[12:56] <ivoks> yeah :)
[12:56] <Treenaks> no idea what it means..
[12:56] <ivoks> day when country is thanksfull for their soliders :)
[12:57] <ivoks> s/for/to
[12:59] <Mez> dholbach, it's you who puts the stuff in UniverseUnmetDeps right?
[12:59] <dholbach> Mez: bddebian did the last list afaik
[12:59] <dholbach> hey ivoks
[12:59] <dholbach> ivoks: push somebody to review wifi-radar - NOW!
[01:00] <ivoks> becky (backup tool) is going nicely
[01:00] <Mez> dholbach, I'm just wondering how it's built, as it needs updating
[01:00] <ivoks> dholbach: would you? :)
[01:00] <dholbach> ivoks: i did and signed already
[01:00] <ivoks> dholbach: ok, thanks
[01:00] <ivoks> ajmitch: would you review it too? :)
[01:00] <dholbach> Mez: the command is on the page itself
[01:01] <Mez> bash: apt-cache: command not found
[01:01] <Mez> o_O
[01:01] <Mez> uh-oh
[01:01] <dholbach> i removed the 
[01:01] <dholbach> it was wrong
[01:02] <Mez> so what should it be
[01:02] <dholbach> LC_ALL=C apt-cache -i unmet | grep ^Package | cut -d' ' -f2 | xargs apt-cache showsrc | grep ^Package | sed 's/Package\://' | sort -u > unmet.txt
[01:03] <mbreit> dholbach: well, the perl-magic part is still missing ;)
[01:04] <dholbach> mbreit: that's no coincidence :)
[01:05] <Mez> dholbach, I'm only getting a TINY output from that command
[01:05] <dholbach> Mez: on amd64 the list is significantly longer
[01:06] <dholbach> Mez: how many lines have you got?
[01:06] <Mez> dholbach, 13
[01:06] <Mez> ah
[01:07] <mbreit> on amd64 i get 282
[01:07] <Mez> It works on source packages
[01:07] <dholbach> oops i have 379
[01:07] <dholbach> NICE :)
[01:07] <mbreit> btw: to get that comma sperated add " perl -e'while (<>) { chomp; print($_ . ","); }'" at the end of the pipe
[01:08] <ogra> eeek perl
[01:08] <Mez> 361 on i386
[01:08] <ogra> 360 here
[01:13] <ivoks> ogra: hi
[01:13] <ogra> hey ivoks
[01:14] <ivoks> ogra: backup tool is going ok...
[01:14] <ogra> nice :)
[01:14] <ivoks> ogra: it will be ready for 1.9. 100%
[01:15] <ogra> see that you get a package in soon... even if its not yet working right...
[01:15] <tseng> hi
[01:15] <ivoks> will try, but too many nice girls over here :))
[01:16] <ivoks> time to go...
[01:16] <ivoks> see you guys in few days...
[01:17] <ivoks> could someone please upload etherape in breezy?
[01:17] <ivoks> i fixed it month ago, and in breezy is still broken version
[01:17] <dholbach> i'm off - see you later
[01:24] <tseng> whiprush: your website is sex.
[01:25] <Lathiat> url?
[01:25] <tseng> http://www.ubuntudetroit.org/
[01:41] <WaterSevenUb> Hi! In gnome-app-install I have noticed that the menu entry is not translateable as a string. I would like to make a patch but I have no idea how to do that. http://bazaar.ubuntu.com/gnome-app-install@bazaar.ubuntu.com/gnome-app-install--MAIN--0
[01:41] <WaterSevenUb> anyone can help? Thanks.
[01:42] <ogra> WaterSevenUb, g-a-i is in main... this is the channel for universe maintainers.... ask in #ubuntu-devel
[01:57] <Mez> do MOTU have upload access to Multiverse?
[01:57] <Mez> I've always assumed they have but never asked
[02:01] <herve> Mez, yes
[02:11] <tseng> morn bradb
[02:11] <bradb> hey tseng
[02:32] <Mez> things shouldnt depend on Virtual packages should they?
[02:33] <herve> virtual package | proposed package
[02:33] <herve> e.g., www-server | apache2
[02:33] <herve> I don't remember the exact name
[02:33] <ogra> httpd :)
[02:33] <Mez> hmmles :D
[02:33] <Mez> if I dont get any output from katie, is that bad ?
[02:34] <herve> thanks ogra
[02:34] <ogra> Mez, are you whitelisted ?
[02:34] <Mez> ogra, I dont know
[02:34] <ogra> herve, i'm just rebuilding moodle, it has exactly this dependency ;)
[02:34] <Mez> I've had output previously
[02:34] <ogra> ah, ok
[02:34] <Mez> well, I had output yesterday when \sh uploaded for me
[02:34] <Mez> but that was the first time :P
[02:35] <ogra> did yo ever upload yourself ?
[02:35] <Mez> I tried uploading myself once and got a rejection
[02:35] <Mez> Rejected: The key (0x2404ED3A6AAAA569) used to sign webmin-optional_1.210a-2ubuntu1.dsc wasn't found in the keyring(s).
[02:35] <Mez> just tried uploading again today to see if I've been added yet
[02:36] <ogra> 	Accepted webmin-optional 1.210a-2ubuntu1 (source)
[02:36] <ogra> from yesterday
[02:37] <Mez> yeah, that was \sh uploading for me
[02:37] <ogra> you know that you never upload the same version twice i assume, else elmo will hunt you down
[02:37] <Mez> not even if it gets rejected cuase of keyring?
[02:37] <Mez> and I'm not uploading same version tewice
[02:38] <ogra> not even then without talking to a buildd master
[02:38] <Mez> i was trying a different package today
[02:38] <ogra> its generating extra work
[02:38] <ogra> just a hint ;)
[02:38] <Mez> to wait and see if I got accepted or rejected by katie
[02:38] <Mez> :D
[02:38] <Mez> and then if it was rejected, poking a proper MOTU
[02:38] <ogra> nope
[02:38] <ogra> talk to elmo about your key please, dont generate xtra work
[02:40] <Mez> ogra, I've tried talking to him :D
[02:40] <ogra> so it should get rejected...
[02:40] <ogra> but just pushing it forward to another motu instead of fixing the problem isnt nice
[02:41] <ogra> s/should/shouldnt
[02:59] <herzi> is there a wiki page to request packages for universe?
[03:13] <yuacht> how can i get involved with dev when i don't know any programming? =)
[03:15] <Mez> yuacht, you dont neccesarily need to know how to program
[03:15] <Mez> but it helps
[03:25] <majic> I see some php5 packages in the universe repo, I don't see one for an apache2 module, nor do I see it in the main repo along with the other libapache2 modules. Is there a php5 module package?
[03:26] <Mez> anyone here wanna sponsor an upload or two for me
[03:27] <Lathiat> majic: ... Filename: pool/main/p/php5/libapache2-mod-php5_5.0.4-3ubuntu1_i386.deb
[03:28] <Mez> Lathiat, do you have upload access?
[03:28] <Lathiat> Mez: no
[03:28] <Mez> grr
[03:28] <Mez> anyone? http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~mez/debdiff/libkexif.diff and http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~mez/debdiff/tex-guy.diff
[03:30] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:31] <crimsun_> Mez: have those been checked?
[03:31] <majic> Lathiat: when I apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5 I get an error message saying that it doesn't exist.
[03:32] <Lathiat> majic: well your packages are out of date or something
[03:32] <majic> I just did an apt-get update
[03:32] <Mez> crimsun_, yes, I made them, they just need uploading
[03:32] <crimsun_> I'll look.
[03:32] <Lathiat> majic: well dude i dunno what your doing, wfm
[03:33] <jamessan|work> majic: are you running breezy?
[03:33] <\sh> Mez: send it via mail please to me...i will take care about it when I'm at home...
[03:33] <majic> I'm running Hoary 5.04
[03:33] <\sh> majic: php5 is for breezy
[03:33] <jamessan|work> well, that's why
[03:33] <Mez> \sh well if crimsin can do it, then you wont need to
[03:33] <Mez> crimsun_, they're only small changes
[03:33] <bddebian> If any of you get bored, can you please look at:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUWannabeTips ?
[03:33] <\sh> Mez: ok
[03:34] <DanielN> what
[03:34] <DanielN> PHP5 is in breezy?
[03:34] <\sh> so I can work on bddebian's text ,-)
[03:34] <\sh> DanielN: thx to ogra, yes
[03:34] <DanielN> RRRROCKING :))))
[03:34] <majic> I keep getting burned in the ass with these old packages
[03:34] <majic> damn, I got spoiled running Gentoo
[03:34] <bddebian> \sh: ??
[03:34] <ogra> \sh, really not my fault :)
[03:35] <DanielN> great work ogra
[03:35] <crimsun_> Mez: I'll take care of it. Updating my pbuilder atm.
[03:35] <ogra> \sh, thats infinitys work
[03:35] <DanielN> ouch
[03:35] <DanielN> :)
[03:35] <ogra> :)
[03:35] <Mez> crimsun_, kk, just needs the diffs applying to old sources, resigning and uploading
[03:36] <DanielN> i hopefully have more time now to doing ubuntu stuff
[03:36] <DanielN> since my "thesis" is over
[03:36] <DanielN> ;>
[03:38] <Mez> hmm
[03:39] <Mez> should we enable gtk support for mplayer-plugin
[03:40] <majic> I can't believe it. PHP 5.0 came out 13 July 2004 and PHP 5 is only available in Breezy. That is hilarious. Is there any reason for this? I keep getting burned like this, I go to install something I've been used to running on another distro and I can't get a package for it.
[03:41] <DanielN> no
[03:41] <DanielN> fedora core 4 has it too
[03:42] <\sh> majic: php5 is a bit crappy...cause not all php4 apps are running on php5
[03:45] <\sh> majic: so there is a decision to be made..php4 or php5 ... the better case was php4...
[03:46] <ogra> it'll most likely be php5 .... 4 will stay in universe
[03:46] <\sh> majic: and gentoos php5 was even more scary...but since Sebastian Bergmann took over PHP5 ebuilds...it's just running quite stable
[03:46] <\sh> ogra: yes...but for hoary it was 4
[03:46] <ogra> yup
[03:46] <ogra> Mez, yes
[03:46] <DanielN> harhar
[03:46] <ogra> Mez, there is a malone bug open for that
[03:46] <DanielN> ubuntu becomes server interesting distro :)
[03:47] <ogra> becomes ??
[03:47] <DanielN> ;>
[03:47] <\sh> majic: and believe me...if Sebastian is doing some harm to my php5 install on my gentoo servers...I will kick his ass..he's living just around the corner ,-)
[03:47] <\sh> DanielN: it is...
[03:47] <DanielN> yeah
[03:48] <DanielN> but there weren't any averages debian -- ubuntu
[03:48] <DanielN> now there are :)
[03:48] <Mez> ogra, yes I know there is a malone bug, I asked for it to be made, was just wondering whether it should be done
[03:48] <Mez> I'm working it now
[03:48] <ogra> oki
[03:49] <Mez> just fixing a couple of deps on it too
[03:49] <\sh> DanielN: which ones? debian is working on php5 as well...and I think php5 in ubuntu will be an interims solution until debian has it in the archives
[03:49] <bddebian> do be do be doo
[03:50] <ogra> \sh, the packages are the same
[03:50] <\sh> ogra: yes
[03:50] <crimsun_> Mez: tex-guy will not pbuild.
[03:50] <Mez> crimsun - really?
[03:50] <Mez> it did for me
[03:50] <Mez> hmmles
[03:51] <Mez> ah wait
[03:51] <DanielN> yeah /sh but since it will takes another 3 years until debians next release ubuntu will be first debian derivate with a stable release including php5
[03:51] <bddebian> heh
[03:51] <bddebian> Mez: Did you tell anyone about xlibmesa-glu-dev?
[03:52] <Mez> ...?
[03:52] <Mez> I was meant to tell someone
[03:52] <bddebian> Shouldn't someone tell someone? :-)
[03:53] <Mez> ogra: ?
[03:53] <ogra> ?
[03:53] <Mez> bddebian, was I meant to tell someone
[03:53] <Mez> sorry ogra ..
[03:53] <Mez> hmm
[03:53] <Mez> where can I find gthread
[03:54] <bddebian> I guess not
[03:54] <ogra> glib i'd guess
[03:56] <bddebian> libglib, libc6-dev
[03:56] <ogra> sigthread != gthread
[03:57] <DanielN> arghs
[03:57] <Mez> crimsun, yeah sotry I forgot vflib = b0rked
[03:57] <DanielN> damn error... i meant advantages and not averages :)
[03:58] <Mez> dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: format of libplc4.so not recognized
[03:58] <Mez> hmm
[03:58] <Mez> I'm getting lots and lots and lots of those
[04:07] <Mez> ogra: http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~mez/debdiff/mplayerplug-in.diff done :d
[04:07] <ogra> great
[04:07] <Mez> wanna upload ?
[04:09] <ogra> no time
[04:09] <ogra> if you fix moodle :)
[04:09] <Mez> crimsun, ping :D
[04:11] <crimsun> Mez: pong.
[04:12] <Mez> crimsun, fancy uploading that one for me
[04:12] <crimsun> Mez: I'll look in 30 s.
[04:16] <dholbach> re
[04:16] <Mez> re?
[04:17] <bddebian> wb dholbach
[04:17] <dholbach> bddebian: excellent work on that motuwannabetips page
[04:18] <dholbach> bddebian: i linked it from a couple of places
[04:18] <bddebian> dholbach: How did YOU see that? :-)
[04:18] <dholbach> bddebian: i'm subscribed to the wiki
[04:18] <bddebian> Ah, well thanks.  It's a work in progress :)
[04:19] <dholbach> yeah definitely - now we have a place to send people to
[04:19] <crimsun> re dholbach
[04:19] <dholbach> good thinking - thanks for that
[04:19] <dholbach> crimsun: hey daniel - how's it going?
[04:20] <Mez> hmm
[04:20] <crimsun> dholbach: not bad, yourself?
[04:20] <crimsun> Mez: your diff doesn't apply cleanly (debian/rules); I'll patch by hand.
[04:20] <dholbach> crimsun: a bit sleepy - was taking a nap when my landlord brought somebody in to look at the flat (i'm moving out in two weeks) - GRR - he could have told me before - the place was a mess :)
[04:21] <Mez> crimsun, thats weird - it;s a tiny change to debian/rules
[04:22] <crimsun> dholbach: d'oh, hehe. To where are you moving?
[04:22] <dholbach> crimsun:  b e r l i n !  woohoo!
[04:22] <crimsun> dholbach: awesome!
[04:23] <dholbach> yeah  i'm so happy :)
[04:25] <Treenaks> dholbach: yes, we need to drink some beer there together ;)
[04:25] <\sh> ok...going home
[04:25] <dholbach> definitely
[04:25] <dholbach> bye stephan
[04:27] <crimsun> Mez: it looks like you diffed against _your_ previous revision of ubuntu2
[04:28] <Mez> crimsun, huh?
[04:28] <Mez> crimsun, I diffed agasint the version I downloaded from the repo
[04:29] <crimsun> look at your debdiff
[04:30] <Mez> what about it
[04:30] <crimsun> notice "+  * Fixed Depends on mozilla-browser | mozilla-firefox to firefox | mozilla-browser | mozilla-firefox"
[04:30] <crimsun> and "+ -- Martin Meredith <martin@sourceguru.net>  Fri,  5 Aug 2005 14:46:22 +0100"
[04:30] <Mez> ah
[04:30] <Mez> ok
[04:30] <Mez> I see
[04:31] <Mez> sorry
[04:31] <Mez> you manage to sort that? or want another debdiff?
[04:32] <crimsun> I applied by hand. libkexif and mplayerplug-in are both uploaded.
[04:32] <Mez> ah, thankies
[04:32] <crimsun> np
[05:36] <bddebian> Man it's quiet in here today :-(
[05:36] <dholbach> we're in the meeting and listen in awe
[05:36] <bddebian> Ohhh, sorry
[05:37] <dholbach> don't worry :)
[05:37] <tseng> oh wow
[05:37] <tseng> is there a pete here?
[05:37] <tseng> pete AT openfestis.org
[05:38] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:38] <bddebian> tseng: Hi.  Would you mind looking at xdiskusage again?  I think I fixed the build-dep.
[05:38] <tseng> i think ajmitch fixed the build-dep, no?
[05:39] <tseng> is it still broken?
[05:39] <tseng> i am not on my laptop
[05:39] <bddebian> He is the one that pointed it out to me.  Maybe he fixed it.  Fsck, what do I know.
[05:39] <tseng> he uploaded a fix, so..
[05:40] <tseng> please tell me if it is really broken or what
[05:40] <tseng> im using a livecd
[05:40] <bddebian> Heh. OK
[06:05] <pete> tseng: yeah I'm here
[06:08] <dholbach> pete, tseng: if you're going to takl about monopod: it's still broken on amd64 breezy
[06:09] <pete> on my breezy i386 mono is broken allover
[06:10] <pete> is that just me or..?
[06:12] <bddebian> tseng: Yep, looks like ajmitch fixed xdiskutils
[06:13] <bddebian> Hmm, what to work on today..
[06:30] <chillywilly> what meeting?
[06:30] <dholbach> breezy goals update
[06:31] <dholbach> #ubuntu-meeting
[06:31] <chillywilly> hi bddebian
[06:31] <chillywilly> oh
[06:31] <chillywilly> nifty
[06:31] <bddebian> Heya chillywilly
[06:31] <bddebian> chillywilly: Hey check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUWannabeTips if you get a sec and let me know what you think :-)
[06:33] <chillywilly> your link to PBuilderHowTo is not right
[06:33] <chillywilly> :)
[06:34] <bddebian> Gah
[06:35] <bddebian> Fixed, thanks
[06:37] <chillywilly> looks to be some good and helpful content but I don't really have much time to read through it atm
[06:38] <bddebian> NP
[06:39] <mbreit> bddebian: great page... i think most newbies can learn a lot from that...
[06:40] <koke> bddebian: it looks nice :)
[06:41] <koke> btw, the new launchpad look is far nicer than the old one :)
[06:41] <mbreit> btw: is someone working on packages for sonance or spe?
[06:41] <koke> I think I'll fix more bugs now ;)
[06:41] <bddebian> mbreit / koke: Thanks
[06:41] <bddebian> mbreit: Thanks for the note on xdiskusage btw :-)
[06:41] <mbreit> bddebian: no problem
[06:43] <mbreit> if nobody is working on sonance or spe, i will add them to my todo list
[06:43] <bddebian> mbreit: You think it would makes sense to add a "Ready to upload" or "Just needs rebuild" section to UniverseUnmetDeps to make it easier for MOTUs to identify what can "quickly" be fixed?
[06:44] <mbreit> bddebian: i had this idea, too.. at least a "just needs rebuild" section would be nice
[06:44] <bddebian> Aye.  I'll add it, thanks
[06:45] <mbreit> do you want to add another table just like the "need love" table?
[06:45] <bddebian> Yep
[06:45] <mbreit> good idea
[06:46] <mbreit> that saves even time for us... so i do not have to make a changelog-entry and so on... just rebuild in pbuilder and see if it works
[06:47] <koke> doh, my most hated maolne bug is here again ;)
[06:47] <mbreit> and we need to get this unmet deps list smaller... its so frustrating to see it growing
[06:48] <bddebian> Aye
[06:48] <bddebian> OK< added
[06:51] <mbreit> great... but i can't really work on that list today because i have a exam for university tomorrow...
[06:52] <mbreit> but after that exam i will fix a few more of that packages..
[06:53] <mbreit> btw: if you put xxdiff to the rebuild list, you can remove it from the "NOBODY" list
[06:53] <bddebian> mbreit: Well, that was a placeholder. I'm testing right now ;-)
[06:53] <mbreit> okay
[06:59] <bddebian>  pbuilder build does a test install also?
[07:00] <mbreit> bddebian: you can user pbuilder login to try to install a package
[07:01] <tseng> dholbach: we dont care you about amd64
[07:01] <tseng> dholbach: :P
[07:01] <dholbach> ok
[07:01] <dholbach> well i dont care about mono
[07:01] <dholbach> :-p
[07:01] <tseng> or more realistically
[07:01] <bddebian> mbreit: Yeah but then I have to update my local apt repo :-)
[07:01] <tseng> everyone tells me about bugs on amd64 and doesnt do anything about it
[07:01] <tseng> i dont have hardware
[07:01] <tseng> dunno what im supposed to do.
[07:01] <bddebian> Buy one :-)
[07:01] <dholbach> arrange with Mithrandir
[07:02] <jsgotangco> jeez my hiccups is already half an hour...
[07:02] <tseng> im hoping to work one out a different way
[07:02] <tseng> but in the mean time
[07:02] <tseng> i still cant fix amd64 bugs
[07:02] <bddebian> I thought I saw something somewhere about doing an install with the .deb with pbuilder
[07:03] <mbreit> tseng: i am on amd64.. if i can help you somehow...
[07:04] <tseng> mbreit: dholbach thinks monopod is broken.
[07:04] <tseng> from revu
[07:04] <tseng> it gives an X error
[07:04] <dholbach> it still is
[07:04] <dholbach> tested this morning
[07:04] <tseng> well it really looks like X
[07:04] <tseng> i dont know
[07:07] <mbreit> bh... i want bash-completion for pbuilder...
[07:07] <bddebian> heh
[07:07] <tseng> definately
[07:07] <bddebian> Won't dpkg -i update packages for depends?
[07:07] <tseng> it should be smart enough to only complete *.dsc
[07:08] <tseng> bddebian: because dpkg doesnt account for dependency info?
[07:08] <tseng> apt does that
[07:08] <mbreit> tseng: i am building monopod now, but i have very few time today, so i will have to investigate that tomorrow
[07:08] <bddebian> So I have no choice but to use my local repo to test package installation?
[07:09] <tseng> mbreit: ok thanks. if you can give me a hint, great
[07:09] <tseng> bddebian: or, install them all?
[07:09] <tseng> dpkg -i 1 2 3
[07:09] <bddebian> tseng: No, it wants a newer version of libgcc1 installed then what I have installed.
[07:09] <tseng> uh
[07:09] <tseng> it sounds like you did something bad
[07:09] <bddebian> Why?
[07:10] <bddebian> There is a candidate for it
[07:10] <tseng> you built something with a newer libgcc1 than you system has?
[07:10] <tseng> or something.
[07:12] <dholbach> bye everybody - i'm off
[07:12] <bddebian> Later dholbach
[07:12] <mbreit> grr... the bug i most hate is the crashing panel on package installation
[07:12] <mbreit> bye dholbach
[07:12] <bddebian> tseng: Its a depends not build-depends
[07:17] <tseng> dude comeon
[07:17] <bddebian> What?
[07:17] <tseng> when you build something, it fills in sh:Depends
[07:17] <tseng> build-depends
[07:17] <tseng> on what version you built it with
[07:19] <bddebian> That makes no sense to me, sorry
[07:19] <tseng> ok
[07:19] <tseng> say libfoo is binary incompatible between versions
[07:20] <tseng> if i build my package against libfoo-1.3.so
[07:20] <tseng> it wont work when i have libfoo-1.2.so installed
[07:21] <bddebian> I understand that part
[07:21] <tseng> so whats the problem
[07:22] <bddebian> Firstly, I don't even know where it is getting xxdiff depends on libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.1)??
[07:24] <mbreit> tseng: all other gtk# applications seem to work well here... its only monopod which is crashing
[07:24] <mbreit> so i will debug that tomorrow to see where (which code line) it crashes
[07:26] <bddebian> Hello CarlFK
[07:26] <bddebian> CarlFK: You're in IL ?
[07:27] <CarlFK> hey bddebian - yup
[07:27] <bddebian> CarlFK: Where, if you don't mind me asking?
[07:27] <CarlFK> Niles - just north of Chicago
[07:27] <bddebian> Ahh.  I grew up near Peoria / Bloomington
[07:27] <CarlFK> neat - friend from there is coming up tomorrow
[07:28] <CarlFK> Jason Nance
[07:28] <bddebian> Coolio
[07:28] <bddebian> tseng: Does this mean you gave up on me? :-)
[07:32] <Seveas> OKay guys, I have a program that installs with a setup.py. Which package is a good example to look at for creating a deb package of such a program?
[07:33] <Seveas> ogra, help me out here :)
[07:34] <ogra> can you give the setup.py a custom path ?
[07:34] <ogra> s/path/install path
[07:34] <Seveas> --prefix=
[07:34] <Seveas> it's a normal setup.py
[07:34] <Seveas> I just want a package to look at as an example :)
[07:35] <ogra> i dont know one from the top of my head
[07:35] <Seveas> isn't hwdb-client a python program?
[07:35] <ogra> yup
[07:36] <ogra> but i dont use a setup.py
[07:36] <Seveas> ah
[07:36] <ogra> since i already wrote it for being installed from a .deb
[07:36] <Seveas> will apt-file show these files? They don't show up in the .deb
[07:36] <jamessan|work> Seveas: there's not really much to do. you can take a look at Supybot, though. I know that uses it.
[07:36] <ogra> unlikely they get installed
[07:37] <Seveas> jamessan|work, thank you, I'll have a look
[07:37] <ogra> Seveas, i would look what setup.py really does and try to do the same in the rules file
[07:37] <Seveas> can't I simply call setup.py from the rules?
[07:38] <ogra> its most likely only copying files around
[07:39] <JanC> & pre-compiling
[07:39] <Seveas> that's what dh_python can do too
[07:56] <Seveas> wow, cdbs is the best thing since debhelper
[07:56] <Seveas> the supybot rules in 7 lines long...
[07:56] <Seveas> is*
[08:00] <bddebian> supybot! Cool package :-)
[08:00] <ogra> Seveas, learn debhelper first...
[08:00] <ogra> Seveas, even if cdbs is tempting
[08:02] <Seveas> cdbs uses debhelper
[08:02] <Seveas> well, it can
[08:02] <ogra> never mix these two
[08:02] <ogra> its not a good habit ...
[08:02] <Seveas> hmm
[08:03] <Seveas> i mean include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk
[08:03] <ogra> yes, but these are cdbs implementations of debhelper
[08:03] <Seveas> the call dh_*
[08:03] <Seveas> they*
[08:04] <ogra> yes, all of them... you generate either a huge overhead or have a lot to exclude for simple packages
[08:04] <Seveas> ah
[08:05] <Seveas> well, let's get back to maint-guide then :)
[08:05] <jbailey> ogra: Eh?  Don't tell me you're using cdbs *without* debhelper...
[08:06] <ogra> so if you can make a package with 2 or 3 debhelper calls, cdbs makes no sense
[08:06] <ogra> jbailey, i dont mix them up in rules
[08:06] <jbailey> Ah, good.
[08:06] <jbailey> I half feared you meant you were using cdbs *without* debhelper.mk
[08:06] <ogra> thats what i had problems to bring acreoss to Seveas ;)
[08:06] <jbailey> Which I've done to prove that it was possible, but...
[08:06] <Seveas> ah ok
[08:07] <ogra> nah, i wouldnt
[08:07] <jbailey> ogra: I've been considering (but haven't done) for cdbs2 to test to see if the debhelper call would be a no-op.  Would that make you happier?
[08:07] <ogra> sure...
[08:07] <jbailey> It's certainly not a release blocker, but I had assumed that nobody but poor m68k hackers would care.
[08:08] <ogra> i dont like to waste cpu cycles ;)
[08:08] <jbailey> What else are they *for*?
[08:08] <Seveas> buildds have to do something :)
[08:08] <ogra> heh
[08:08] <tseng> yay!
[08:08] <tseng> i got my laptop working with my apple monitor
[08:08] <tseng> and docking station
[08:08] <jbailey> ogra: Besides, the overhead of running all the debhelper calls versus a decent testsuite is pretty small.
[08:08] <Seveas> talk about wasting cpu cycles :)
[08:08] <ogra> buildds have to annoy their meintainer... they are very busy with that already ;)
[08:08] <jbailey> And I'd love to see every app out there grow a really comprehensive testsuite.
[08:09] <tseng> unit testing +++
[08:09] <ogra> yup, sounds reasonable
[08:10] <jbailey> ogra: Another thing that I quite like about cdbs versus similar sized debhelper-based rules files is just consistancy.
[08:10] <jbailey> You have the promise that various DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS are honoured, and takes no time to figure them out at a glance once you've seen a couple of them.
[08:11] <ogra> i'm probably just to oldschool :) i should make more with cdbs
[08:12] <ogra> but still, for a MOTU its important to be familiar with both Seveas :)
[08:13] <ogra> and cdbs is easy... so learning debhelper first makes sense ;)
[08:13] <bddebian> Like learning asm before C?  I'm sure everyone still does that?? ;-P
[08:13] <Seveas> rofl
[08:13] <Seveas> I did :)
[08:13] <bddebian> Seveas: Nice.  I don't know either :-)
[08:13] <Seveas> but then again, I learned java before that ;)
[08:14] <bddebian> ack
[08:15] <ogra> bddebian, nah, C before C++ :)
[08:15] <bddebian> heh
[08:15] <Seveas> hmm
[08:16] <Seveas> postpone C++ as much as possible
[08:16] <jbailey> ogra: Which is often also a mistake.
[08:16] <jbailey> ogra: It's best to consdier C and C++ to be generally unrelated but somewhat compatible languages.
[08:16] <ogra> jbailey, was the best example that came to mind :)
[08:17] <janimonoses> any idea why xfce4-terminal is not entering the build?
[08:17] <janimonoses> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Lists/breezy.all.i386
[08:17] <janimonoses> says it depends on dbus-glib-1-dev
[08:17] <janimonoses> but http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/x/xfce4-terminal/xfce4-terminal_0.2.4-3ubuntu1.dsc
[08:18] <janimonoses> shows that libdbus-glib-1-dev is in the bd: line actually
[08:18] <janimonoses> I am confused
[08:19] <janimonoses> lamont ^^
[08:21] <ogra> janimonoses, so depend on that one
[08:21] <ogra> err..
[08:21] <ogra> oh
[08:21] <ogra> nm
[08:22] <janimonoses> that's deprecated in favor of what I wrote
[08:23] <ogra> yes
[08:23] <lamont> if it shows that it's depwait, and that doesn't match, then it means someone needs to poke me to clear it.
[08:23] <lamont> uploading a new version to change build-deps _WILL_NOT_ clear a dep-wait
[08:25] <janimonoses> lamont, thanks
[08:25] <lamont> (and I've cleared it)
[08:26] <janimonoses> the previous version tried building at least
[08:26] <lamont> or, more precisely, I've told wanna-build to pretend that dbus-glib-1-dev is available
[08:26] <janimonoses> so I thought : failed build -> needs upload
[08:26] <tseng> janimonoses: now you know :)
[08:26] <bddebian> "And knowing is half the battle"
[08:27] <lamont> dep-wait --> never try again until that dependency is available, no matter how many times they upload
[08:27] <janimonoses> tseng, but this is only one of the many corner cases which I don't :)
[08:27] <zyga> hello
[08:27] <bddebian> Hello zyga
[08:27] <janimonoses> hi zyga
[08:27] <crimsun> lamont: would you poke vlc, too, please?
[08:27] <zyga> any gnomebaker devs lurk here?
[08:27] <lamont> crimsun: poke it how?
[08:28] <janimonoses> lamont, writing it up would be GREAT
[08:28] <lamont> pretend vlc is available, or what is it dep-wait on?
[08:29] <crimsun> lamont: it's dep-wait on aalib1-dev, but aalib1-dev's not listed as a build-dep
[08:29] <crimsun> that's why I'm quite confused
[08:29] <zyga> and the polish translation
[08:29] <zyga> (hoary-whatever-backports)
[08:29] <crimsun> janimonoses: do we know what's going on with xffm4?
[08:29] <lamont> crimsun: it was
[08:29] <janimonoses> criumsun, let me take a look
[08:30] <janimonoses> crimsun, I think  we need to ask elmo to sync?
[08:30] <crimsun> lamont: hmm. I built it in an i386 and an amd64 pbuilder successfully.
[08:31] <lamont> crimsun: 0.8.1-1ubuntu8: Build-Depends: ... liba52-0.7.4-dev, aalib1-dev, libdvbpsi3-dev,
[08:31] <crimsun> janimonoses: according to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/x/xffm4/ it's already there.
 dep-wait --> never try again until that dependency is available, no matter how many times they upload
 tseng, but this is only one of the many corner cases which I\
[08:31] <lamont> oops. only meant to paste one line
[08:32] <crimsun> lamont: oh, I see. That would mean my 0.8.2-1ubuntu1 upload is stuck.
[08:32] <lamont> crimsun: so now that I've told wanna-build to pretend taht aalib1-dev is available, the buildd will actually finally _TRY_ to build 0.8.2-1ubuntu1
[08:32] <crimsun> lamont: right. Thanks!
[08:32] <zyga> eh, anyone?
[08:32] <lamont> not so much stuck as just totally ignored
[08:33] <crimsun> janimonoses: doesn't look like xffm4 is actually being built at all
[08:33] <crimsun> zyga: I don't think there are any here.
[08:34] <zyga> crimsun: how about gb-4.0?
[08:34] <crimsun> zyga: what about it?
[08:35] <zyga> crimsun: there is none for ubuntu, can't it go to backports or someplace like it?
[08:35] <crimsun> (I presume you mean 0.4)
[08:35] <zyga> (yes)
[08:36] <crimsun> it won't be autobuilt for backports from breezy since it's not in breezy, but it may be done by some other method. You might want to check with Mez.
[08:36] <zyga> I've just built gb on hoary i386 (I can also build for amd64)
[08:36] <zyga> It's not debianized yet but that can probably be taken from 3.0
[08:36] <zyga> er 0.3
[08:37] <zyga> crimsun: any reason why it's not in breezy?
[08:37] <crimsun> we're already semi-UVF
[08:38] <zyga> UVF?
[08:38] <crimsun> looking at the changes for 0.4, there are some rather important fixes, so if other MOTUs agree, I don't mind seeing 0.4 in Breezy
[08:38] <crimsun> (upstream version freeze)
[08:38] <zyga> crimsun: ah
[08:38] <zyga> crimsun: breezy would be bad without 0.4 IMHO :)
[08:39] <jeffm> hey guys
[08:39] <zyga> hi jeffm
[08:39] <jeffm> ubuntu supports dual screens right?
[08:40] <zyga> jeffm: I'm woring on a dual monitor setup ATM
[08:40] <crimsun> jeffm: X.org does, yes.
[08:40] <jeffm> AT The Moment?
[08:40] <jeffm> thanks guys
[08:41] <zyga> jeffm: yes
[08:41] <jeffm> k
[08:41] <zyga> what is 'k' exactly :>
[08:41] <zyga> ?
[08:41] <jeffm> ?
[08:42] <zyga> jeffm: what does 'k' mean?
[08:42] <jeffm> in KDE>
[08:42] <jeffm> ?
[08:42] <zyga> no.. in your message
[08:42] <zyga> 20:41 < jeffm> k
[08:42] <jeffm> its short for O.K
[08:43] <jeffm> which is short for Okay
[08:43] <ogra> which is short for "agreed" :)
[08:43] <jeffm> yeah
[08:43] <jeffm> or serves as acknowledgement
[08:44] <ogra> wow, so many words in only one letter
[08:44] <zyga> okay :>
[08:44] <jeffm> lol
[08:44] <jeffm> what is this X.org stuff?
[08:44] <jeffm> im on the site now
[08:44] <zyga> jeffm: x.org is your x server, it does support mulit-head setups via xinerama
[08:45] <jeffm> so that is build into Ubuntu?
[08:45] <zyga> jeffm: this really is more suited on #ubuntu though
[08:46] <jeffm> ok
[08:46] <zyga> jeffm: yes it is, it works but there is no gui for it
[08:46] <jeffm> so what de we tlak about here?
[08:46] <jeffm> *talk
[08:46] <jeffm> *do
[08:46] <jeffm> lol
[08:47] <zyga> universe
[08:47] <jeffm> ohhh O.o
[08:48] <ogra> especially its expansion ... and how to fix it
[08:48] <jeffm> oh nice
[08:48] <jeffm> you guys rock
[08:48] <ogra> :)
[08:48] <jeffm> im so glad that there is a viable alternative to M$
[08:48] <zyga> how do I update various sha/md5 sums in .dsc files?
[08:49] <ogra> zyga, you rebuild the source package
[08:49] <zyga> ogra: so apt-getting source gnomebaker, extracting debian directory, removing patches and moving it to gnomebaker-0.4 is enough to debianize?
[08:50] <zyga> okay some patches should stay...
[08:50] <ogra> you weill need to make version specific adjustments ... but you can do it along this lines
[08:51] <ogra> alternatively run dh_make and copy over the bits and pieces you want from the other version
[08:51] <zyga> ogra: I'm not sure how to adjust build-deps, it did build on hoary with previous gnomebaker deps though
[08:51] <zyga> ogra: thanks, I'll try
[08:54] <zyga> dh_make is really nice :>
[08:56] <zyga> ogra: keeping old changelog + adding new entry is okay for a version change?
[08:57] <zyga> ogra: and what should I do with maintainer field from debian.control?
[08:58] <ogra> hmm, i would make a new changelog for a completely new package, else i'd use the old one and just announce the new upsteam version
[08:58] <crimsun> I'm already updating gnomebaker, zyga.
[08:58] <mbreit> lamont: are you still around?
[08:58] <lamont> never.
[08:58] <lamont> :-)
[08:58] <crimsun> (just running through the pbuild now)
[08:58] <ogra> if you reuse nearly everything, leave it like it is... if you build from scratch, add yourself
[08:58] <zyga> crimsun: :-)
[08:59] <zyga> crimsun: there is no need to do any work :) ?
[08:59] <zyga> crimsun: I'd love to help you know :)
[08:59] <lamont> mbreit: what did you need?
[08:59] <mbreit> lamont: could you remove dep-wait on gltron? i just checked again, and it builds in pbuilder, without dependency problems
[09:00] <crimsun> wb jani
[09:00] <janimonoses> :)
[09:00] <janimonoses> hw failure
[09:00] <janimonoses> luckily temporary only
[09:00] <crimsun> janimonoses: :/
[09:00] <crimsun> re dholbach
[09:00] <dholbach> re :)
[09:01] <janimonoses> crimsun, I thought I asked elmo to sync xffm4 but looks like I forgot
[09:02] <mbreit> hi dholbach
[09:02] <dholbach> hey moritz
[09:02] <mbreit> dholbach: what happens to packages on revu with 3 votes?
[09:02] <dholbach> it should be uploaded straightawway
[09:02] <dholbach> :)
[09:02] <mbreit> well, i have 3 votes...
[09:02] <dholbach> excellent
[09:02] <dholbach> shall i do it?
[09:02] <mbreit> and i think i am whitelisted already
[09:03] <dholbach> super
[09:03] <dholbach> i'll upload it then
[09:03] <mbreit> perfect! ;)
[09:03] <janimonoses> crimsun, shall I ask him now?
[09:03] <mbreit> then i will start with new packages tomorrow ;)
[09:04] <dholbach> mbreit: that's the spirit
[09:04] <zyga> crimsun: updated package will be available in breezy?
[09:04] <zyga> crimsun: (or rather, where will it be available)
[09:04] <mbreit> dholbach: yea... it's the "i wanna be a motu" spirit *g*
[09:04] <dholbach> ROCK'N'ROLL!
[09:05] <mbreit> ahhhhhh grrrrr.... wft?
[09:06] <mbreit> how can a package build in pbuilder when i can't install the build-depends on my normal breezy system?
[09:06] <dholbach> Riddell: could you please kick the packages from REVU, you uploaded?
[09:06] <crimsun> janimonoses: not sure if you saw my last post
[09:06] <crimsun> janimonoses: doesn't look like xffm4 is actually being built at all
[09:06] <dholbach> mbreit: depends vs build-depends?
[09:06] <janimonoses> no, I am just looking at the irclogs
[09:06] <crimsun> janimonoses: but the 4.2.2-1 files are already there.
[09:07] <mbreit> dholbach: just build-depends... i have a dep-wait on gltron..
[09:07] <janimonoses> crimsun, why arent' they built?
[09:07] <ogra> Riddell, ping
[09:08] <mbreit> but i did a pbuilder update and a pbuilder build and that worked without problems... then i did a apt-get install libgl-dev  (which is the build-dep in question) but it does not want to install it
[09:08] <crimsun> janimonoses: I have no idea :/  There's nothing in the build logs.
[09:08] <crimsun> janimonoses: xffm4 does not appear to be dep-wait on something either, and it built in both i386 and amd64 breezy pbuilders.
[09:09] <janimonoses> so how do we know it was synced?
[09:10] <janimonoses> it's not on the ongoing-merge page either
[09:10] <dholbach> i absolutely despise "sponsored upload for x.y.z" - there is  debuild -kyour@mail.adress , guys
[09:10] <sivang> dholbach: Hi there Daniel
[09:11] <sivang> dholbach: 'sup?
[09:11] <dholbach> hey sivang :)
[09:11] <sivang> dholbach: how is your autotools foo lately? :)
[09:11] <dholbach> sivang: not better - did a lot of other stuff in between
[09:12] <janimonoses> rigth so xffm4 source package is in the archive
[09:12] <dholbach> sivang: how are you?
[09:12] <crimsun> janimonoses: yep, I think that got cut off when your client pinged out
[09:12] <sivang> dholbach: trying to find some advice on creating the right autotools foo for a shared lib
[09:13] <dholbach> sivang: murray cumming has an excellent article on that - just a sec
[09:14] <sivang> dholbach: cool, thanks , should I have used google better ? 0_o
[09:14] <Mez> dholbach, the "sponsored upload for x.y.z thing is done cause then you acutally get output from katie
[09:14] <dholbach> sivang: it's hard to find
[09:15] <dholbach> Mez: everybody should asap let their mail adresses whitelist
[09:15] <sivang> dholbach: ah ok, just send it up and I'll be greatful :)
[09:15] <Mez> dholbach - I only got whitelisted like- 2 days aho
[09:15] <Mez> ago *
[09:15] <Mez> so, if whoever was whitelisting addresses didnt take their time so, then it wouldnt be a problem
[09:16] <dholbach> i saw like 20 uploads or so in the last time
[09:16] <dholbach> whitelists should be done by then
[09:16] <dholbach> you can always re-ask
[09:16] <dholbach> sivang: http://www.openismus.com/documents/linux/using_libraries/using_libraries.shtml
[09:16] <ogra> Mez, i'm telling you since some time to contact elmo to getyour key and whitelisting sorted, please do so
[09:16] <sivang> dholbach: thanks you very much
[09:16] <dholbach> sivang: and the links from there - murrayc rocks
[09:16] <sivang> dholbach: how did you come across this article ?
[09:17] <sivang> dholbach: is he a MOTU ?
[09:17] <dholbach> sivang: i know murrayc - no he is gnome-c++ :)
[09:17] <Mez> ogra: and I've been trying for some time to contact him... I've got my whitelisting... but not my key
[09:17] <dholbach> maybe you forgot the magic words :-p
[09:17] <ogra> :)
[09:18] <janimonoses> lamont, any idea why xffm4 does not enter the build?
[09:18] <Mez> I would keep emailing him and stuff, but, I dont want to annoy him
[09:18] <ogra> Mez, email him
[09:19] <dholbach> Mez: don't worry - he's just incredibly busy - busier than anybody else you know, mail him, be nice, he'll understand
[09:19] <Mez> ogra, I already have :D
[09:19] <dholbach> and we have to other packages that are ready for upload
[09:19] <Mez> I dont think anyones key from the last TB meeting has been sorted yet
[09:19] <ogra> do it again then or catch him on irc... i've seen him around several times today
[09:19] <dholbach> 1) mbreit and gnomeradio
[09:19] <dholbach> and to others, which i will take care of
[09:20] <dholbach> ExpandingUniverse, baby! :)
[09:20] <Mez> ogra: I he never seems to reply to me on IRC - even if he's ther e:d
[09:20] <Mez> but, I'll email again
[09:20] <janimonoses> Mez, indeed elmo is very busy
[09:20] <janimonoses> I've been after him almost two weeks for the xfce4 sync ;)
[09:20] <Mez> I know he's very busy :D
[09:20] <ogra> Mez, you are the backports team currently... getting your key sorted is a essential thing
[09:20] <janimonoses> he's nice but busy
[09:22] <dholbach> does ivoks has his key sorted out yet?
[09:22] <dholbach> s/has/have
[09:23] <Mez> what's his real name?
[09:23] <ogra> james troup
[09:23] <ogra> ?
[09:23] <Mez> ivoks :P
[09:23] <ogra> or do you mean ivoks
[09:23] <janimonoses> ante karamatic I think
[09:24] <ogra> AnteKaramatic
[09:24] <ogra> yup
[09:24] <Mez> he doesnt seem to have any uploads yet (not even sponsored ones
[09:24] <dholbach> he does
[09:25] <Mez> not sinceth
[09:25] <Mez> 14th *
[09:25] <ogra> he's on holiday
[09:26] <Mez> ah
[09:26] <dholbach> i'll upload his wifi-radar
[09:27] <dholbach> rejoice - finally - users will love to see it
[09:27] <crimsun> great :)
[09:28] <dholbach> it's UP!
[09:28] <mbreit> oh, i just looked at the wifi-radar homepage... looks very promising...
[09:28] <dholbach> woohoo
[09:28] <mbreit> that would be a reason to upgrade my laptop to breezy this weekend ;)
[09:30] <dholbach> i won't upload python-pyrtf-0.45 yet - i'm not sure about how bdddebian and tritium are going to settle the maintainership of it
[09:32] <dholbach> but that's rocking
[09:32] <dholbach> 2 new packages up!
[09:32] <dholbach> you can't believe how good that feels - the review process works
[09:32] <dholbach> at least a bit it does :)
[09:32] <mbreit> and i hope to create 2 new packages at the weekend ;) so there's always something to review ;)
[09:33] <dholbach> what are you going to work on?
[09:33] <dholbach> mbreit: i'm not complaining about not having enough work :)
[09:33] <mbreit> spe and sonance... but i promise nothing...
[09:34] <dholbach> ah... oculd it be they're on UniverseCandidates or something?
[09:34] <mbreit> dholbach: i will also help with the unmet dependencies...
[09:34] <mbreit> dholbach: yes, they are...
[09:34] <janimonoses> dholbach, did the ubuntu-motu ml idea get dropped?
[09:34] <dholbach> janimonoses: yes
[09:34] <dholbach> janimonoses: unfortunately so
[09:34] <janimonoses> so motu mails go to devel?
[09:34] <dholbach> janimonoses: but we'll have a bug mailing list for universe
[09:34] <dholbach> janimonoses: yes
[09:35] <dholbach> janimonoses: and if you report about something crazy, include ubuntu-users - we want  press  everywhere :)
[09:35] <janimonoses> ;)
[09:35] <dholbach> mbreit: make sure you tick them off
[09:35] <dholbach> mbreit: on UniverseCandidates
[09:36] <mbreit> dholbach: i moved them down to the "already handeld" list
[09:37] <dholbach> super
[09:37] <blueyed> I had compiled/packages Apache2 from source for myself, because of another configure option to suexec. What's the easiest way know to upgrade to the latest security release?
[09:37] <blueyed> s/packages/packaged/
[09:38] <ogra> get the new source and compile it ?
[09:38] <dholbach> blueyed: sudo apt-get install devscripts; sudo apt-get build-dep <package>; apt-get source <package>; cd <package-dir>; debuild; sudo debi
[09:38] <kungkang> hey all, why is gedit-dev in universe when gedit is in main? there also seems to be a version inconsistency between them so gedit-dev is not installable.
[09:39] <dholbach> kungkang: to the first part of the question: that's quite common - main should be as small as possible (to fit on a CD or something)
[09:40] <dholbach> kungkang: to the second part: could be build problems - what architecture are you on?
[09:40] <kungkang> i386
[09:40] <crimsun> kungkang: for hoary/amd64, Candidate: 2.10.2-0ubuntu2
[09:40] <crimsun> I don't see any version mismatch.
[09:40] <mbreit> lamont: did you remove the dep-wait for gltron? or is it on dep-wait _again_?
[09:40] <kungkang> gedit is ubuntu2, but gedit-dev is ubuntu1 according to my synaptic
[09:40] <dholbach> do apt-get udpate again
[09:41] <lamont> mbreit: what was it dep-wait on?
[09:41] <crimsun> kungkang: you need to refresh. hoary-security has ubuntu2
[09:41] <kungkang> crimsun: ah! i did not have hoary-security! thanks
[09:41] <tseng> mbreit: you are working on sonace?
[09:41] <mbreit> it sais libgl-dev... but it build depends on xlibmesa-gl-dev
[09:41] <mbreit> , works perfectly in pbuilder
[09:41] <tseng> sonance
[09:41] <lamont> mbreit: I did not - no one asked...
[09:41] <lamont> iz done now
[09:42] <mbreit> lamont: i asked you just a few minutes ago?
[09:42] <blueyed> dholbach: Thanks. Before "debuild" I'd patch the debian/rules file again, right?
[09:42] <mbreit> lamont: directly after you said "mbreit: what did you need?"
[09:42] <dholbach> blueyed: yes, exactly
[09:43] <lamont> bradb: sorry - it scrolled off and I missed it.
[09:43] <mbreit> tseng: yes, i want to package that, why to you ask?
[09:43] <tseng> mbreit: because its a mono app
[09:43] <mbreit> tseng: does that matter?
[09:44] <mbreit> tseng: i love mono....
[09:44] <tseng> yes
[09:44] <mbreit> why?
[09:44] <tseng> that is my main area, I can help you
[09:44] <mbreit> oh, that would be nice ;)
[09:45] <janimonoses> lamont, any idea why xffm4 does not enter the build?
[09:45] <dholbach> janimonoses: new binary packages?
[09:45] <janimonoses> even though 4.2.2-1 source is in the archive
[09:46] <janimonoses> nope there was an xffm4 -- .deb already
[09:46] <janimonoses> it used epoch if that matters
[09:46] <lamont> janimonoses: nothing springs to mind... but it doesn't appear in the w-b output, which would tend to point towards the archive mangement stuff..
[09:46] <lamont> since "not in w-b" --> never tried.
[09:47] <janimonoses> there was a source called xffm which built xffm4 binary
[09:47] <mbreit> lamont: btw: can you help with a "Not-For-Us" status? do you know where that comes from and what i can to that the package builds?
[09:47] <tseng> so xffm4 is NEW?
[09:47] <janimonoses> now there's a source called xfmm4 which builds same binary
[09:47] <tseng> that is your problem.
[09:47] <janimonoses> tseng, not really
[09:47] <tseng> yes really
[09:47] <janimonoses> apt-cache show xffm4
[09:48] <tseng> Source: xffm
[09:48] <janimonoses> but the source was xffm and now it would be xffm4
[09:48] <lamont> NFU means that the buildd admin manually said "leave me alone, package"
[09:48] <tseng> so its a new source
[09:48] <crimsun> (Warty had a binary xffm4 that comes from xffm4 source)
[09:48] <tseng> its in NEW
[09:48] <tseng> it needs manual approval
[09:48] <tseng> to enter buildd
[09:48] <lamont> in this particular case, it means that the package was put on hold its dependencies were all done with the g++-4.0 transition] 
[09:49] <tseng> crimsun: eh?
[09:49] <janimonoses> actually there was an xffm4 source too for xfce4.0
[09:49] <tseng> wow.
[09:49] <crimsun> janimonoses: yep, that was Warty.
[09:49] <mbreit> lamont: who can change that? i have fixed that package for gcc4, but it's still on NFU
[09:49] <janimonoses> so a packages NEW-ness is reset on starting a new release cycle?
[09:49] <lamont> are all of it's dependencies current in the archive?
[09:50] <mbreit> yes
[09:50] <crimsun> janimonoses: I wouldn't think so...
[09:50] <lamont> janimonoses: NEW is a function of a.u.c/ubuntu/indices/override.${dist}....
[09:50] <mbreit> lamont: it builds in pbuilder and is reviewed by a motu...
[09:50] <janimonoses> so why is xffm4 considered new if there was already a source named like that?
[09:50] <lamont> and generally that begins with what the previous release had and gets added to
[09:51] <crimsun> janimonoses: I don't think it's considered NEW, because Warty had it. There seems to be something else holding it back.
[09:51] <lamont> mbreit: infinity was dealing with NFU stuff - I'll poke him to review all of them and see what else can be given back...
[09:51] <lamont> (that is, the class needs review, not just the one instance)
[09:51] <mbreit> lamont: thanks!
[09:51] <janimonoses> crimsun, lamont just said something re previous release, maybe NEWness gets reset?
[09:52] <mbreit> ahhh... gltron is build... thanks again, lamont
[09:52] <lamont> mbreit: which package, btw
[09:52] <lamont> ?
[09:52] <mbreit> lamont: noteedit
[09:53] <Mez> hmmles
[09:54] <Mez> getting some weird errors whiel trying to update
[09:55] <dholbach> do we have a netinst image or something?
[09:56] <ogra> yes
[09:56] <ogra> dont ask for a url though
[09:56] <ogra> there was a post to u-d with the url the last days
[10:18] <ogra> tseng, just for the record, YOU ROCK !
[10:18] <tseng> ogra: do I?
[10:18] <ogra> i just realized that my f-spot on amd64 runs rock solid !!
[10:18] <tseng> hah sweet dude
[10:18] <ogra> yeah :)
[10:20] <ogra> hmm, slideshow doesnt work, i guess thats an X issue
[10:21] <ogra> hmm,and fullscreen shows a question mark...
[10:24] <mbreit> well, fullscreen works here without any problem (f-spot on amd64)
[10:24] <tseng> ogra: right now im trying to hack muine-inotify for new inotify in breezy
[10:25] <ogra> mbreit, fully up to date ?
[10:26] <ogra> i obvously only have the thimbnail view available, everything else shows just a question mark...
[10:26] <mbreit> ogra: update half an hour ago
[10:26] <ogra> hmm... propbably i flddled to much with the mono stuff in the past
[10:26] <mbreit> slideshow as well as fullscreen mode work like a charm...
[10:27] <ogra> oki,so i suspect my setup
[10:28] <mbreit> but it does not work rock solid.... it just crashed...
[10:29] <ogra> it works rock solid here, i never could ues it longer then 5mins without crash
[10:29] <ogra> we shoudl merge :)
[10:30] <mbreit> crashed again... that seems to be a problem with one picture i have... in thumbnail view, it is shown landscape, if i open it, its portrait... if i open another photo after that, it crashes
[10:31] <mbreit> it seems that it also crashes when rotating some picture... so it's definitly not "rock solid"....
[10:32] <mbreit> but tseng does a great job anyway ;)
[10:32] <ogra> it just doesnt rotate here... but doesnt crash
[10:32] <mbreit> hmmm
[10:32] <ogra> funny
[10:33] <mbreit> ahh... i want the -44 xorg version....
[10:36] <Nafallo> uhm
[10:37] <Nafallo> is it just me or is gnomebaker's deps way off?
[10:37] <Nafallo> jackd for example?
[10:37] <ogra> mbreit, not for us... and daniels ejoys his weekend already ::::/
[10:37] <Nafallo> gstreamer0.8-polypaudio? :-P
[10:38] <ogra> wow, i'm an eight eyed alien today.. my broken keyboard is funny sometimes
[10:38] <mbreit> ogra: i know.... but i want my television back... and -44 finally includes the v4l-module....
[10:39] <Nafallo> hmm
[10:40] <dholbach> mbreit: throw away your television :)
[10:40] <Nafallo> update-notifier doesn't work for me :-/
[10:41] <mbreit> dholbach: my television is my pc...  i just want to be able to watch tv... and therefor i need the v4l module
[10:42] <dholbach> i see
[10:50] <Riddell> ogra: hi
[11:19] <mbreit> i need a motu to review and upload a drpython-fix... won't take long, just a small debdiff...
[11:20] <dholbach> mbreit: link? :)
[11:20] <mbreit> http://ubuntu.mobr.de/sources/debdiffs/drpython_3.10.13-1ubuntu1.debdiff
[11:21] <dholbach> how nice does it work?
[11:21] <mbreit> very nice ;)
[11:21] <dholbach> did you very absolutely well test it?
[11:21] <dholbach> :)
[11:21] <dholbach> you will receive all following bug reports :)
[11:21] <mbreit> well, i build it, i started it, i loaded a file, and it was still running ;)
[11:22] <dholbach> http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/d/drpython/drpython_3.10.13-2/changelog :)
[11:22] <mbreit> wtf?
[11:23] <dholbach> sounds like a sync from debian experimental was in order :)
[11:23] <dholbach> sorry for that :)
[11:23] <mbreit> yeah... damn...
[11:23] <mbreit> dholbach: it's not your fault... i should have looked in debian experimental
[11:24] <dholbach> be sure to mail james.troup@canonical.com to sync it
[11:24] <dholbach> don't worry
[11:24] <dholbach> it's just the thing what i learnt from all the MergeOMatic business
[11:25] <mbreit> james.troup? why him?
[11:25] <dholbach> he's elmo
[11:25] <dholbach> because he does syncs... in general
[11:25] <mbreit> oh, okay
[11:26] <mbreit> so i have to write him an email that he should sync drpython with debian experimental?
[11:27] <dholbach> yes... and add a "please" somewhere - and tell that their fix works nicely for you :)
[11:27] <mbreit> hehe... okay, i'll do that
[11:28] <ogra> and that dholbach approved the UVF override ;)
[11:28] <mbreit> uvf?
[11:28] <ogra> upastream version freeze
[11:28] <ogra> upstream
[11:28] <mbreit> well, it's no new upstream version?
[11:28] <ogra> all new upstream versions need approval since some weeks
[11:29] <dholbach> it's just a debian fix
[11:29] <dholbach> not a new version
[11:29] <ogra> oh...
[11:29] <ogra> i thought its a newversion... then forget about it
[11:33] <mbreit> okay, email is on the way..
[11:39] <JanC> new drpython package depending on wxpython 2.6 ?  nice :)
[11:39] <mbreit> yes... and that works quite well
[12:00] <mbreit> going to bed now... good night everybody!
[12:00] <dholbach> sleep tight moritz
[12:01] <mbreit> thanks
[12:05] <herzi> dholbach: ping
[12:05] <dholbach> pong
[12:06] <dholbach> herzi: pong :)