[12:07] so you can relax a bit together [12:07] <\sh> mbreit: uploaded [12:07] dholbach, nah... he should make her MOTU, then she can help here ;) [12:07] ogra: man... :) [12:08] :) [12:08] <\sh> dholbach: yeah..later that month..but hell no..I'm on a training *eeks* and then I want to go to berlin to meet treenaks and eventually dholbach ah thats you ;) [12:08] <\sh> ogra: where is your better half to help us here? some rolls and some snacks would be fine ,-) [12:08] \sh: ok :) [12:09] kmess... what a name for a project [12:09] tststs [12:09] \sh: thanks, but my email adress is not yet whitelisted ;) [12:09] \sh, i asked her.... she still thinks about the meaning of the words :) [12:09] <\sh> ogra: and actually her son is better in computer then she is...so I will ask her son ;) [12:10] <\sh> ogra: didn't you show here last night, what it means: MOTU? *run'n'hide' [12:10] lol [12:11] \sh, i sowed her last night what it means if your boyfriend has to build a distro like every night :-P [12:11] showed even [12:11] <\sh> ahaha [12:11] oh, xdiskusage failed to compile... we need to tell bddebian about pbuilder ;) [12:12] <\sh> mbreit: please send the patches as well to the debian maintainer :) thx [12:12] <\sh> mbreit: but only the gcc4 amd64 patches [12:13] <\sh> ok...and now...I go and sleep...g'night [12:13] night \sh [12:13] good night \sh [12:13] ciao \sh_away [12:15] ok i did 5 reviews today - that's just like review day :) [12:17] dholbach: i think you are the only one doing reviews atm... [12:17] shall i take a leaf out of \sh's book and go to bed early or do something else? [12:17] o_O [12:18] my name shows up :D [12:18] mbreit: Riddell, siretart, ivoks, Mez and slomo did some as well [12:18] hehe :D [12:18] I dont know if thats just cause I'm whitelisted or cause I've been added, but yay my name shows up [12:18] dholbach: i said atm... i know that slomo did many reviews... and siretart as well [12:18] maybe there were not as much as anal as i was :) [12:18] but dholbach is the best at it :) [12:18] but atm slomo is on holiday and siretart works on his theses.. [12:18] Riddell: sorry for keeping the kde apps from being uploaded :) [12:19] Riddell: but it's not just them - i just thought you suffer most from that part of the story [12:19] dholbach, = uber scary reviewer [12:19] Riddell: if you want to get better, there is my gnomeradio package waiting for a few votes ;) [12:19] sorry for that === dholbach lends Mez a "" :) [12:20] dholbach, i cant be bothered to remember the code for it [12:20] Mez: don't worry [12:20] dholbach or load up kcharmap [12:20] mbreit: hmm, that sounds like gnome to me === ajmitch wishes this terminal did utf-8 :) [12:21] Riddell: if you want a kde package, there is my noteedit debdiff ;)) [12:21] Riddell: slacker - i reviewed quite a bunch of kde apps :-p [12:24] majic: ah ok [12:25] dholbach, it's seeming a bit overwhelming with all the information out there on net about package creation. There is quite a bit of information overload. [12:25] majic: absolutely [12:25] majic: we use REVU as a tool to review packages and give hints on what to do with them [12:26] dh_make is a good start to get templates for the stuff in the debian/ directory [12:26] okay, hypothetically if I built a package how do I know that I've built it correctly (in terms of fitting into the Ubuntu way of doing things) [12:26] and on REVU (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU has some info on it) you can see quite a lot of source packages, which are in different states of quality [12:27] majic: we review it, pbuilder is a nice tool to make sure it builds on a build daemon (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto) [12:27] majic: and lintian/linda are tools which help you to get a clue of what goes wrong too [12:27] majic: we added some tips on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingTips as well [12:28] majic: but first i'd apt-get source a similar package and have a look at that === Mez has never used apt-get source in his life [12:29] Mez: MAN! :) how do you check debdiffs against a current version? :) [12:29] dholbach, I wget :D [12:29] dholbach, thanks === dholbach shakes head disbelievingly [12:29] :-) [12:29] majic: anytime [12:29] I've never done anything other than that :D [12:29] lol [12:29] majic: #ubuntu-motu is the place to be to get you there [12:29] mainly cause I used to (until recently) be on hoary :d [12:29] yeah I'm looking into using Pbuilder and have successfully built 2 packages with it. The breezy Ruby package and another one. [12:29] majic: super [12:30] I can't learn this stuff fast enough =) [12:30] I wanna help out so damn bad, haha. [12:30] majic: you'll make it, definitely and sooner than you think, i'm quite sure [12:31] majic: helping out in fixing build-dependencies and rebuilding stuff (in the motu crew) helped me to get a feel for it [12:32] I would help out with the UnmetDeps (I think that's what you guys are calling it) but I don't have time to play with Breezy right now. [12:33] majic: building in a breezy pbuilder (and making sure they're installable in a breezy chroot) should be cool too, but you might get other views on where you could help out in here, too [12:36] majic: don't worry, you can get in quicker as a MOTU than in debian ;) [12:36] I think I'll look around for some software that isn't packaged and try to package it up [12:36] when making a deb, where are the configure parameters stored? === ajmitch probably holds a record for debian [12:36] CarlFK: debian/rules [12:36] ajmitch: understatement for the win. [12:36] tseng: it took me 3+ years for debian [12:36] rock on. [12:36] tx [12:37] meebey is going on 6 months [12:37] ajmitch, why did it take you so long? [12:37] and then I'll ask for some people to review it, see if it looks good and is in the Ubuntu way of doing things. But before all that I have alot of reading to do =) [12:37] Received application 2001-12-11 [12:37] Account Created 2005-02-03 [12:37] Burgundavia: Real Life intervened ;) [12:37] i wonder how long it will take me === Burgundavia keeps meaning to learn how to package, it might take him that long too [12:38] my AM was jordi, he was quite good about it [12:38] so it took me over 3 years before I met him in person :) [12:39] hehe :) === jeffm_ [user@209.161.224.174] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [12:39] you have to meet your am? [12:39] not at all [12:39] yeah. [12:39] but jordi was at UDU [12:39] yes. [12:39] sortof [12:39] heh [12:39] zombie jordi [12:39] poor guy [12:40] xfce 4.2 is pretty rad [12:40] i dont think ill replace gnome, but eh === Arrogance [~aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-119-69.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:40] its fun [12:41] i'm off to bed pals - see you around [12:41] cya dholbach [12:41] night dholbach === macgyver2 [~eric@macgyver2.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:43] tseng: I found it pretty good, still prefer a nice gnome desktop though [12:43] wishing I had one here at work [12:43] evening folks [12:44] tseng: you live! [12:44] whiprush! [12:44] whiprush: i am tough as nails [12:44] heh [12:45] hm where did that last upload go to [12:45] why does gltron not show up in the build logs? it was accepted before the packages like qsynth... [12:46] tseng: check breezy/unstable in changelog [12:46] ajmitch: ah-right [12:46] it's the most common mistake I make [12:46] universe/games/gltron_0.70final-5build3: Dep-Wait by buildd+terranova [optional:out-of-date] [12:46] Dependencies: libgl-dev [12:46] REJECT THIS, JACKASS [12:46] mbreit: is it dep-waiting libgl-dev? [12:46] ok, this gnome-screensaver lock dialog is dead sexy. [12:47] hmm.. does that mean that it will be build after libgl-dev? [12:47] and where can i get that message from? [12:48] mbreit: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/buildLogs/Lists/breezy.all.i386 [12:48] mbreit: it might mean that, or it might mean there's a problem with the build daemons [12:48] mbreit: so, is a sufficient version of libgl-dev built? [12:48] whiprush, what is the point of the count down thing? [12:49] Riddell: i don't know... [12:49] whiprush: heard any news about TheFridge from jdub? [12:49] No idea, other than most lockdown stuff has always had one. [12:49] ajmitch: I sent him a note yesterday. [12:49] whiprush, never mind [12:49] elmo got a linode all set up [12:49] great [12:49] mbreit: well what version of libgl-dev does it need? [12:50] so I'm assuming it's still a go after Mr. IGotAndAwardWorhipMe gets home. :) [12:50] we have somebody on the forums about to start there own site, plus spreadubuntu [12:50] whiprush, rofl [12:50] whiprush: its ready to go live? [12:50] tseng: hahahahaha. [12:50] right. [12:51] ready to start development, you mean [12:52] yes. [12:52] Riddell: xlibmesa-gl-dev without any spezified version [12:52] dude [12:52] you guys are slow [12:52] but it seems that xlibmesa-gl is broken atm... [12:52] ive built a complex web app from scratch since udu [12:52] you guys cant even write a few articles [12:53] that's why bddebian's xdiskusage failed, too === tseng hides under rock [12:53] whiprush: right, so when can we start the jdub fanboy club on the fridge? [12:53] Well, the writing isn't a problem for me. [12:53] tseng: yeah, that's what I get paid to work on too :P [12:54] though, if it takes us more than a few days to slap some ubuntu art on drupal then yes, it will be sad. === jamessan|laptop [~jamessan@c-24-218-220-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === majic [~Frank@nc-69-69-52-5.sta.sprint-hsd.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:55] who's doing the artwork though? [12:55] I saw some mockups from andy right after udu. [12:55] dunno though, I assumed him and jdub were working that out. [12:55] mbreit: there's no such package as libgl-dev [12:55] ah good [12:55] whiprush, andy was working on look and feel, afaik [12:56] Riddell, there is also no build-dep to that... just to xlibmesa-gl-dev [12:56] I'd hate for a prominent site to look like the rear end of a bus [12:56] heh [12:56] andy++ [12:56] ajmitch, can I quote you on that? [12:56] Burgundavia: if you wish [12:57] mbreit: looks like a problem with the build daemons then, poke lamont [12:58] does lamont still get paid to do all this ubuntu work? [12:58] or is it just of love, I wonder? [12:59] ajmitch: love [12:59] lamont: your dedication is impressive [01:00] meh, what does MOTU work for [01:00] but definately a big lamont++ [01:00] hehe [01:00] we work for fame & glory, of course [01:00] or bugreports [01:00] wow, dholbach approved gnomeradio. that's the first package I've seen him approve [01:00] actually, much of what I'm doing now is driven by getting the hppa and ia64 ports happy, as well as just doing fun cool stuff. [01:00] the crap work I give to infinity. :-P [01:01] heh [01:02] Riddell: it a very clean small package... but i needed to change some things to make dholbach happy ;) [01:02] how does gnome stuff get from Makefile.am to Makefile.in? [01:02] oh evil, breezy goal meeting at 3AM local time [01:04] Riddell: i think they have a autogen-script in cvs that is deleted before making release-tarballs [01:04] hmm, so if the packages has to fix Makefile.am then you're screwed [01:04] tseng: ping [01:04] yes [01:05] i see you [01:05] ah ok [01:05] the packages are fine in breezy [01:05] if he wants to just install those [01:05] Riddell: have you seen my noteedit patch? [01:05] thats exactly the problem there... [01:06] i needed to patch configure.in.in... and then let debian/rules rebuild the configure-script [01:07] Riddell: http://ubuntu.mobr.de/sources/debdiffs/noteedit_2.7.1-2ubuntu1.debdiff you would make me very happy if you could review (and eventually upload) that ;) [01:08] still on gnomeradio, all these gnome deps take ages to install [01:08] Riddell: oh, did not know that... then thanks for doing that! [01:10] Riddell, nah, they are preinstalled :) === susus [~sz@p5089DC89.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:12] woo! [01:12] ../transcode_1.0.0-0.1_i386.deb [01:12] it built! [01:13] mbreit: what is /usr/share/omf/gnomeradio/gnomeradio-C.omf ? === gradzac [bmontgom@wsip-68-15-230-31.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:15] it looks like the users manual [01:16] hey all [01:16] Riddell: it's actually a part of that [01:17] I know, but what is omf? [01:19] open source metadata framework [01:19] gosh. what's one of them? [01:19] approved by the way :) [01:19] oh, thanks! [01:20] btw: omf has something to do with scrollkeeper [01:22] don't know what that is either [01:23] scrollkeeper is a system for managing document metadata.. [01:24] it keeps track of all available gnome documentation (manuals) for the gnome help browser... [01:28] mbreit: quite an ugly debdiff that [01:28] i know... [01:28] mbreit: no need to build-dep on autoconf2.13 and autoconf [01:28] mbreit: and build-dep on automake1.9 not automake [01:28] well, yes, there is need to do that [01:28] cause i had to change configure.in.in... [01:29] so configure needs to be regenerated [01:29] mbreit: I mean it has both autoconf2.13 and autoconf, only 1 needed [01:29] okay, i see... [01:30] mbreit: also you add make -f admin/Makefile.common cvs to the build target [01:30] mbreit: but your 03 patch already contains all the changes made by that [01:32] no, the 03 patch just changes the admin/acinclude.m4.in by that from kde svn [01:32] nothing more [01:32] ah ok [01:35] it's funny, there is a package in debian for some software I wrote and have been maintaining, there were quite a few patches made and nobody ever bothered to let me know. That's hilarious [01:37] Riddell: fixed the build-dep issues... removed autoconf build dep and changed automake to automake1.9 [01:37] majic, lol - thats probably because a lot of upstram authors tell DDs to "go away" (thats the polite version) when they try and send patches back [01:37] Mez: not necessarily [01:37] ajmitch, a lot do... [01:37] or ignore [01:37] or just dont want the packages [01:37] I've had pretty good luck getting changes upstream [01:38] I mean it's not a huge deal, but I would have appreciated an email. I could have incorporated these changes [01:38] or at le least have in the past [01:38] majic: yeah, I can understand that, just a lot of DDs dont bother trying anymore cause of previous bad experiences [01:38] email the DD who works on it and ask him to mail you packages [01:38] patches * [01:38] for all my packages I solely maintain, I have commit access upstream [01:38] what package is it btw majic, out of curiosity [01:39] ajmitch, thats you [01:39] :P [01:39] it's a small window manager called aewm++ that was born from yet another small window manager called aewm [01:39] ah, aewm++ [01:39] lots of wms spawned from aewm. [01:39] mbreit: compiles and runs, all looks good. well done [01:40] thanks! so you want to upload that? ;) [01:40] yay, my qcad changes have been build ;) [01:49] mbreit: uploading.. [01:49] cool! === StoneTable [~stone@c-24-14-85-48.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:07] Riddell: still uploading? [02:11] mbreit: sorry, got distracted by pbuilding the wrong .dsc file [02:12] no problem [02:12] i was just wondering why it does not show up on breezy-changes [02:16] noteedit_2.7.1-2ubuntu1_source.changes ACCEPTED [02:16] woo [02:18] thanks! === comadreja [~comadreja@comadreja.active.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [~bddebian@pcp08717033pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:31] hi bddebian [02:32] bddebian: xdiskusage did not build... see buildlogs for the reason... seems to be a broken mesa package [02:39] i am going to bed now... see you all tomorrow... good night === poningru_ [~poningru@pool-71-243-237-143.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === poningru__ [~poningru@pool-71-243-237-143.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:03] Ack, that makes no sense.. [03:19] Why does xdiskusage install clean for me in a clean pbuilder but not normally? [03:33] because it doesn't like you, of course [03:33] :'-( [03:33] isn't that your usual response? ;) [03:33] what exactly does the watch file do in the debian folder of a package? [03:34] package source that is [03:34] Serously, it installs fine for me in pbuilder after I rebuilt it but the buildlog fails one a depends for xlibmesa-glu [03:34] lets you watch for upstream updates [03:34] man uscan for more info, I can't tell you much :) === ajmitch doesn't use them in his packages enough [03:35] ajmitch, how would I know. Would I know only when I build a new package? [03:35] what exactly let's me know [03:35] see the manpage.. it's also useful for automated checks in debian [03:35] See ajmitch, you hate me too :-) [03:36] ajmitch, which manpage? === ajmitch points majic up about 5 lines in his scrollback.. [03:36] man uscan [03:36] oh, I thought you were talking to somebody else [03:37] uscan - looked like some scanner tools (as in like an HP scanjet) [03:37] heh [03:37] bddebian: nah, not at all, you're just paranoid ;) [03:37] haha [03:38] hmm, looks like I don't have uscan installed [03:38] apt-get install devscripts [03:38] devscripts is a very useful & important package for package development [03:39] hmm, I didn't run across that yet mentioned in the wiki. My reading comprehension sucks probably. [03:39] perhaps not everyone uses it, but I can't live without it :) === bddebian thinks he'll make an MOTUWannabeTips wiki :-) [03:39] bddebian: great, please put all these comments there [03:41] OK. Any idea about my problem? [03:43] bddebian: it's broken [03:43] check that your pbuilder is up to date [03:43] I just updated before trying it again [03:43] since building with an out-of-date pbuilder can mislead you [03:45] I just updated before trying it again [03:45] why are you using xlibmes-glu-dev ? [03:46] All I did was rebuild the package [03:46] and the build-depends are wrong [03:46] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUGLUTransition [03:47] not sure how up-to-date that page is in terms of packages [03:47] but it has the right build deps [03:47] Sheesh, how am I supposed to keep up with all this shiite? :) [03:47] anyone know where there is a ubuntu rootfs for uml? [03:48] bddebian: simple, look on the wiki, it has a search feature if you don't get the news about transitions :) [03:49] ajmitch: How would I know what to search for without even knowing it was an issue?? :-) [03:49] well the build logs just told you that it was an issue [03:49] You are a big help :-) === Mez blogs a lottle respect for elmo [03:50] bddebian: yes, I am [03:50] bddebian: I am helping you by telling you to look for things when problems occur :) [03:51] :-) [03:54] I still don't get why it installs in my pbuilder though.. [03:55] installs, or builds? [03:56] installs [03:56] why would you care about installation, when it's the build that fails? [03:56] you did test the build in a clean, up-to-date pbuilder, right? [03:56] Yes [03:57] it can't have been terribly up-to-date if it succeeded with the build-deps still set at xlibmesa-glu-dev [03:58] bddebian, are you building ina BREEZY pbuild [03:58] Anyway, xlibmesa-glu-dev build-dep should be xlibmesa-xorg-deb right [03:58] Mez: I have breezy install and breezy pbuilder :-) [03:58] bddebian, then how the hell does it build? [03:58] s/-deb/-dev [03:58] libglu1-xorg-dev or something isnt it? [03:58] Mez: it shouldn't [03:59] bddebian, sudo pbuilder login --save-after-login [03:59] ajmitch: i thought it should [03:59] and it won't in any sane chroot or breezy setup [03:59] then [03:59] apt-cache clean [03:59] ajmitch: i thought it just upset the buildds [03:59] Lathiat: not with just xlibmesa-glu-dev [03:59] afaik [03:59] Lathiat: there is that possibility [03:59] ajmitch, It may if he has the old package installed on the pbuild ;) [04:00] Lathiat: Oh yeah, sorry: libglu1-xorg-dev [04:00] bddebian, do the following and paste the output [04:00] sudo pbuilder login [04:01] dpkg -l xlibmesa-glu-dev [04:01] apt-cache madison xlibmesa-glu-dev [04:01] just the output from the last 2 commands === ajmitch decides to give up on being a motu for today & retire somewhere [04:01] to see where they hell you're getting that package from [04:01] ajmitch: :-) [04:01] wtf is madison? [04:02] Lathiat, It's madison the archive managers little sister [04:02] as pitti put it [04:02] Mez: dpkg -l yeilds No packages found matching xlibmesa-glu-dev [04:02] then how the hell does it build if it's B-D on that [04:02] I think someones telling porkys [04:03] I dunno maybe I'm on crack [04:03] Lathiat, check man apt-cache [04:03] madison's REALLY useful [04:04] madison does yeild a bunch but I don't have it on this machine to dump the output and I aint typing it all :-) [04:05] madison shouldnt yield anything [04:05] somehow there's a xlibmesa-glu-dev binary still in universe, supposedly built from xorg source at 6.8.2-10 [04:05] at least according to the packages list I have [04:05] wait [04:05] sorry [04:05] that's some serious breakage, the binary should be removed [04:06] xlibmesa-glu-dev | 6.8.2-10 | http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe Packages [04:06] Mez: obsolete, it should be removed [04:06] ajmitch, good idea === Mez heads off to MorgueCandidates [04:06] unless that was the version in hoary [04:06] So I'm not totally stoned? :-) [04:07] in which case, it's just the Packages.gz that is wrong [04:07] bddebian: you are, fix the broken build-depends [04:07] ajmitch: I'm doing that already :-) [04:07] ajmitch, it's the same version, but, it's in universe [04:07] http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=xlibmesa-glu-dev&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all [04:07] Mez: yep, breakage [04:08] ajmitch, yeah, but pool points back to main [04:08] ajmitch, you should email elmo about that [04:08] it shouldnt have been NEWd in breezt [04:08] daniels might want to hear about it too [04:08] CC [04:08] :D [04:08] go ahead, be my guest [04:09] I'm just a lowly MOTU === robitaille [~daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:14] ajmitch, so am I [04:14] you email them :D and tell them [04:15] james.troup@ubuntu.com and daniel.stone@ubuntu.com [04:15] and CC me === ajmitch isn't a big, important backports developer ;) [04:15] martin@sourceguru.net [04:15] ajmitch, you might not be, but I dont have upload rights and I'm about to go to bed [04:15] hehe ok [04:15] ;) === ajmitch will do it after work [04:15] I await your CC [04:15] g'night === ajmitch could always delegate to bddebian [04:16] ;) [04:16] night [04:17] Sorry, family came home === moyogo [~moyogo@HSE-Ottawa-ppp160072.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [~jgotangco@202.57.71.236] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:55] ajmitch: Did you go too? === ajmitch is doing work [04:59] Are you / did you notify the above? [04:59] no, I didn't, I said I'm at work [04:59] If anyone is bored, could you check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUWannabeTips [05:00] ajmitch: Well, you are talking here aren't you?? ;-P [05:01] " If there was not an ubuntuX version, be sure to downgrade back the epoch version from upstream and add ubuntu1" [05:01] there is no epoch being changed [05:01] Wrong? [05:01] epoch has a specific meaning in debian [05:01] If you use dch -i it does, doesn't it? [05:01] new package from source has -0ubuntu1 version [05:01] no! [05:01] Are you sure? [05:02]