[01:58] <lexhider> any reason kmailcvt isn't a dependency for kubuntu-desktop?
[08:49] <pef> hello
[12:47] <tvo> hm, KDE should be capable of opening index.docbook.gz help files isn't it?
[12:48] <venda> should
[12:48] <tvo> if I recall correctly, it did so before my holidays..
[12:48] <tvo> now it doesn't
[12:48] <venda> khelpcenter should open index.docbook.gz
[12:49] <tvo> let me check a thing, might be my fault..
[12:51] <tvo> no, I'm clueless. It used to open the file, now it doesn't
[12:52] <tvo> it works if I gunzip the file
[12:53] <venda> bz2
[12:53] <venda> should work
[12:54] <tvo> nope
[12:57] <tvo> I tried some more help files- most of them are plain index.docbook
[12:58] <tvo> if I gzip them I get "The requested help file could not be found. Check that you have installed the documentation."
[12:59] <tvo> does apt/dpkg generate a log file somewhere?
[01:09] <tvo> Riddell: you did have kio-locate installed isn't it?
[01:09] <tvo> if so, could you type help:/kio-locate/ in konq
[01:09] <tvo> and tell me if it gives an error or a helppage
[01:30] <author> wv
[01:30] <author> wb
[02:03] <Mez> how do I get kate out fo full screen mode
[07:02] <carl2> is kynaptic broken?
[07:06] <carl2> depends libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.9 which is new a virtual package
[08:23] <tvo> Riddell: ping
[08:55] <author> http://stream.moulticast.net:8060 <- Radio
[09:02] <Riddell> tvo: hi
[09:03] <Riddell> tvo: index.docbook files shouldn't be compressed
[09:03] <tvo> somehow there is a compressed index.docbook in the .deb I have here
[09:03] <tvo> and I have no clue as of why it is compressed
[09:04] <tvo> I've been trying to figure it out, but no success yet
[09:06] <tvo> Riddell: maybe you've got an idea what to check..
[09:08] <tvo> Riddell: and the good news: I've almost got a patch for hidden files into KDE
[09:09] <tvo> (see kde-devel)
[09:09] <tvo> (mailinglist, that is)
[09:12] <author> has you fixxed the "media://" problem?  or what did "hidden files" mean?
[09:16] <tvo> author: with hidden files I meant KDE didn't allow files to be hidden except dotfiles
[09:17] <tvo> author: I created a patch which allows kioslaves to add an UDS_HIDDEN entry to override the (absence of) the leading dot
[09:17] <author> oh sorry
[09:17] <tvo> np
[09:18] <author> my english wants to be better ;)
[09:18] <tvo> hehe. I'm not a native english speaker too :)
[09:20] <author> but yours is better then my 
[09:24] <tvo> Riddell: you still there?
[09:24] <Riddell> tvo: no idea why it's gzipped
[09:24] <Riddell> it's weird
[09:25] <tvo> that's what I thought. I tried building it with scons, mini-scons, but no gzipped file
[09:26] <Riddell> are there any newer versions of mini-scons?
[09:26] <tvo> I don't know, but it shouldn't matter anyway since the scons-mini.tar.bz2 is included in the source package
[09:27] <tvo> I'll ask ita as soon as he comes online
[09:31] <tvo> Install file: "doc/en/index.docbook" as "debian/kio-locate/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kio-locate/index.docbook"
[09:31] <tvo> ^^ in build log
[09:32] <tvo> -rw-r--r-- root/root      2484 2005-07-15 21:56:22 ./usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kio-locate/index.docbook.gz
[09:33] <tvo> it's somewhere between lines 846 and 948 in build log (i386)
[09:34] <Riddell> it's dh_compress
[09:38] <Riddell> DEB_COMPRESS_EXCLUDE=.docbook
[09:38] <Riddell> that's the trick
[09:39] <Riddell> however it should be an article not a book and part of kioslaves manual
[09:41] <tvo> ah ok
[09:42] <tvo> article as in only one page instead of 2 or 3?
[09:42] <Riddell> dunno, I was just quoting lauri :)
[09:43] <Riddell> look at other kioslaves
[09:43] <Riddell> I assume it's the docbook <article> rather than <book>
[09:43] <tvo> ok, I'll play a bit with it, see what happens
[09:44] <tvo> I also noticed all kioslaves index.docbooks are together in 1 directory
[09:45] <Riddell> yeah, but I assume there's a way to do it outwith that
[09:45] <Riddell> ask on #kde-docs if you get stuck
[09:46] <tvo> yup, ok, I'll do
[09:47] <tvo> did you see the uds_hidden.diff patch?
[09:48] <Riddell> "I like the patch"  from dfaure.  that's a good sign :)
[09:49] <tvo> yeah that's what I thought too, certainly the "I commit it" part ;)
[09:49] <tvo> but I've to get it tested / test it first
[09:50] <tvo> how difficult is it to test it by myself?
[09:51] <Riddell> is it backwards compatable somehow or will existing ioslaves suddenly show all files until they're modified to use uds_hidden?
[09:51] <tvo> backwards compatible
[09:51] <Riddell> how does that work?
[09:52] <tvo> there's an isHidden() function. INstead of only looking at the dot, it now checks for the m_hidden member,
[09:52] <tvo> which can be Auto, Hide or Show
[09:52] <tvo> Auto is the default, if m_hidden == Auto it fall through to the dot-checking code
[09:53] <tvo> if UDS_HIDDEN is given m_hidden is set to Hide or Show depending on value in m_long of the UDSAtom
[09:53] <tvo> true = Hide, false = Show
[09:53] <tvo> so essentially UDS_HIDDEN overrides the dot or the absence thereof
[09:53] <Riddell> clever clever
[09:54] <tvo> thanks. (I didn't feel like modifying all ioslaves :)
[09:57] <tvo> so, how difficult is it to test it by myself (= compiling KDE I suppose?).
[10:08] <Riddell> not tricky, just time consuming
[10:08] <tvo> hmm ok, how long do you estimate compile time on an 800 MHz Amd Duron?
[10:08] <Riddell> get kdelibs 3.5 branch from SVN
[10:08] <Riddell> couple of hours?
[10:09] <Riddell> writing a patch without testing it :)  that's pretty impressive
[10:09] <tvo> ok that's not too bad
[10:10] <tvo> well writing it not me thinks, rather writing a patch without testing, which has no bugs at all when finally tested ;)
[10:11] <tvo> I'll test tomorrow, my PC is too noisy to keep it on while sleeping
[10:12] <Riddell> for more pretty output use unsermake -p
[10:12] <Riddell> that has a little % indicator
[10:12] <tvo> that's cool
[10:13] <Riddell> very
[10:15] <tvo> Riddell: a new kio-locate release should be finished before 11th isn't it?
[10:16] <tvo> or are you delaying kubuntu release if KDE 3.5 is not yet released?
[10:16] <author> http://jrepin.blogspot.com/2005/07/jlps-kde-35-previews-part-1.html
[10:16] <author> amazing screens
[10:16] <author> from kde 3.5
[10:17] <Riddell> 11th is feature freeze, but kio-slave is still in universe
[10:17] <author> "Stability of this prebeta version is very good."
[10:17] <Riddell> I should hassle the authorities to get it into main before then
[10:18] <Riddell> tvo: no, we can't delay breezy alas
[10:18] <Riddell> but 3.5 should be in backports
[10:19] <Riddell> if Mez agrees :)
[10:19] <tvo> ok, was just checking..
[10:22] <Riddell> yeah, it's a shame
[10:31] <Mez> Riddell, if you can help me make it possible for both
[10:33] <Riddell> without the C++ transition it should be a lot easier
[11:15] <Mez> Riddell, yes, but - are you on about bp'ing to hoary or breezy