[12:08] <Ju1ce> the easiest way, believe me ;)
[12:08] <jatos1> *sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:08] <_dylan> and how do i add the repos i need?
[12:08] <_dylan> preferably all of em
[12:08] <Ju1ce> yes
[12:08] <jatos1> if its the universe one uncomment the lines for them
[12:08] <Ju1ce> www.ubuntuguide.org/index.html#extrarepositories
[12:09] <_dylan> k i removed the # from the lines
[12:09] <frank_> _dylan: and for flash, you need to add backportws
[12:09] <frank_> _dylan: and for flash, you need to add backports
[12:09] <_dylan> thanks
[12:09] <Mez> frank_, no, you dont need backports for flash
[12:09] <frank_> Mez: right its in multiverse
[12:09] <Mez> _dylan, you need multiverse for flash, and isntall flashplugin-nonfree
[12:09] <jatos1> or do what I do and add the debian sarge repos
[12:10] <_dylan> right
[12:10] <_dylan> but whenever i attempt to remove the comments from those two lines
[12:10] <frank_> jatos1: that's mostly asking for trouble
[12:10] <_dylan> sudo apt-get update gives me errors
[12:10] <nocloud> hey, i just installed kubuntu and i'm having problems getting my network card and internet set up
[12:10] <jatos1> hasn't caused me any trouble frank_
[12:10] <nocloud> when i go do the network settings, my network cards are greyed out
[12:10] <nocloud> it says something about a button for administrator mode but i can't seem to find that button
[12:11] <jatos1> though admittadly I did know what I was doing frank_ 
[12:11] <Ju1ce> _dylan: read ubuntuguide, it is a good guide. http://ubuntuguide.org
[12:11] <frank_> jatos1: ok
[12:11] <_dylan> im using kubuntu not ubuntu
[12:11] <_dylan> its slightly different
[12:11] <_dylan> quickly:  how do i add repos
[12:11] <Ju1ce> nocloud: sudo kcontrol
[12:11] <_dylan> sry i need em
[12:11] <hater2win> same guide dylan
[12:11] <jatos1> yeah, kubuntu has a decent windowing system
[12:11] <_dylan> o ok
[12:11] <nocloud> sudo kcontrol?
[12:11] <Ju1ce> yes it is, i know
[12:11] <nocloud> i don't understand
[12:11] <hater2win> kubuntu is kde right? only diff
[12:11] <nocloud> what is sudo kcontrol?
[12:12] <Ju1ce> i use kubuntu too
[12:12] <frank_> where is kcontrol in the k-menu? I couldn't find it
[12:12] <jatos1> yeah hater2win 
[12:12] <Ju1ce> open konsole and type "sudo kcontrol"
[12:12] <jatos1> is in about 4 up, control center
[12:12] <nocloud> and then, what do i do after i type "sudo kcontrol" ?
[12:12] <Ju1ce> nocloud: it will open control panel in super user mode
[12:13] <nocloud> ooh
[12:13] <nocloud> sounds cool
[12:13] <Ju1ce> frank_: kde 3.4.2 doesn't have it by default. you can add it manually.
[12:13] <nocloud> gonna try that now
[12:13] <frank_> Ju1ce: ok it was in kde 3.4.0 but not anymore...
[12:17] <hater2win> can you just NOT write to ntfs from linux? or you have to enable it?
[12:18] <Ju1ce> don't try it.
[12:18] <hater2win> ill ask why only because i know if i dont ill be curious enough to try it.
[12:18] <hater2win> so
[12:19] <hater2win> Ju1ce: why?
[12:19] <hater2win> lol
[12:19] <Ju1ce> It's not worth the risk.
[12:19] <hater2win> corrupted data?
[12:19] <Ju1ce> You may lose data from the ntfs partition.
[12:20] <Ju1ce> Use FAT if you need to write to a partition which is accessible from Windows.
[12:20] <Ju1ce> It will _not_ be nice to notice that nfts partition is broken.
[12:20] <supernix> anyone know of good directions somewhere about backing up your install and files and such ?
[12:21] <hater2win> Ju1ce: thanks for the good advice.
[12:22] <_dylan> is there a kde p2p program out there?
[12:22] <supernix> yup _dylan Amule
[12:22] <_dylan> thanks
[12:22] <supernix> I use it and so far so good
[12:22] <SudoPus> Hey you all...Kubuntu PPC here... I can't seem to remember how to find out which main partition letter is used for my primary hard drive so that I can add it to fstab...for some reason Kubuntu didn't set it up on install
[12:22] <_dylan> what network(s) does it use?
[12:23] <SudoPus> ie /dev/hda1,2 etc
[12:23] <Ju1ce> _dylan: Again, ubuntuguide would have known the answer :)
[12:23] <_dylan> god
[12:23] <Ju1ce> eDonkey?
[12:23] <_dylan> lol
[12:23] <Ju1ce> Kademlia?
[12:25] <hater2win> SudoPus: you can do    sudo fdisk -l
[12:25] <hater2win> it will show you all your partitions
[12:25] <hater2win> sudo fdisk -L that is, except lowercase (does it matter?)
[12:26] <Ju1ce> hater2win: usually case sensitive
[12:26] <hater2win> aight, koo
[12:27] <hater2win> im like a leecher on a torrent
[12:27] <hater2win> giving and taking at once
[12:27] <hater2win> lol
[12:27] <nocloud> okay, i am having more problems with the internet on linux
[12:27] <nocloud> i was able to use the sudo kcontrol command
[12:27] <SudoPus> hater2win: Yeah...now this is running hfs_plus so I know there is no read/write...I mounted it RO and I can only see part of the drive structure..I have kubunut installed on /dev/hdb
[12:27] <nocloud> but, when i went to enable the network card, it would enable for a fraction of a second and then promptly disable again
[12:28] <hater2win> hmm
[12:28] <SudoPus> hater2win: You use mac too?
[12:28] <nocloud> i know that during the kubuntu setup, there was a section where it wanted to configure the network card, but i set it as configure later cause i didnt have internet at that time
[12:29] <nocloud> i don't get it, why can't i enable the network card?
[12:29] <SudoPus> Prolly something that Apple did to Tiger
[12:29] <SudoPus> *with Tiger
[12:29] <hater2win> sudo, no, i use pc
[12:30] <hater2win> which i guess is why i dont know anymore at this point about your problem than you do lol
[12:30] <_dylan> wow. .... aMule prettymuch is really slow
[12:31] <_dylan> wtf
[12:32] <milksteak> heh
[12:32] <milksteak> ed2k network is slow itself
[12:32] <_dylan> yah
[12:32] <milksteak> well
[12:33] <_dylan> anything faster?
[12:33] <milksteak> most of the time
[12:33] <milksteak> bittorrent maybe?
[12:33] <_dylan> meh
[12:33] <_dylan> not a real p2p
[12:33] <_dylan> requires web sites
[12:33] <milksteak> ed2k isn't really known for speed
[12:33] <Ju1ce> can amule access kademlia?
[12:33] <milksteak> but it has freaking everything
[12:33] <milksteak> not yet
[12:33] <_dylan> lol
[12:33] <milksteak> think they're working on
[12:33] <Ju1ce> emule can
[12:33] <milksteak> it
[12:33] <milksteak> yeah
[12:33] <Rogue_Jedi_X> It can if you download the nightly build
[12:34] <milksteak> oh
[12:34] <milksteak> ok
[12:34] <milksteak> there you go
[12:34] <_dylan> can something non-gtk or gnome based used the gnutella network?
[12:34] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Still in beta though, so handle with care
[12:34] <_dylan> i want my app to look nice
[12:34] <Rogue_Jedi_X> qtella
[12:34] <milksteak> limewire
[12:34] <_dylan> qtella?
[12:34] <milksteak> if you don't mind java
[12:35] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Yeah, it's a Qt app
[12:35] <_dylan> oh yeah
[12:35] <_dylan> limewire is lame
[12:35] <_dylan> i liked bearshare in winxp
[12:35] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Doesn't work for me, though. Maybe you'll have better luck
[12:35] <milksteak> heh
[12:35] <milksteak> liked the adware with bearshare aswell?
[12:35] <_dylan> no i used lite
[12:35] <milksteak> heh
[12:35] <milksteak> ok
[12:36] <milksteak> at least limewire is open source
[12:36] <milksteak> bleh
[12:36] <_dylan> yah
[12:36] <milksteak> it's what I use for whatever I don't get from torrents
[12:36] <_dylan> but they ask you on every program start if you wanna buy pro
[12:36] <milksteak> heh
[12:36] <_dylan> annoying
[12:36] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Anyone know a good theme? I'm looking for something like Baghira only without the ugly buttons
[12:36] <milksteak> go get the source and compile it yourself without it then
[12:36] <_dylan> lol 
[12:37] <_dylan> i would but too lazy lol
[12:37] <milksteak> heh
[12:37] <milksteak> same here
[12:37] <milksteak> and I don't mind it
[12:37] <_dylan> lol
[12:37] <Ju1ce> it ain't hard
[12:37] <milksteak> better then having ads pop up every few seconds
[12:37] <Blissex> Rogue_Jedi_X: the favourite is always Plastik -- everybody likes it.
[12:37] <milksteak> haha
[12:37] <milksteak> 'yeah
[12:37] <Ju1ce> and it's the only way to get fresh software
[12:37] <milksteak> <3 plastik
[12:38] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Yeah, but I want something more crystal-ey
[12:38] <milksteak> heh
[12:38] <milksteak> just try out heaps on kde-look.org
[12:38] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I am, I'm only on page 4 now
[12:38] <milksteak> heh
[12:38] <milksteak> ok
[12:38] <TestMAD> wait till kde 4.0..thats when it goes "plasma"..lots of themes will pop up really fast
[12:39] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I'm guessing that might take a while
[12:39] <TestMAD> not really..
[12:39] <milksteak> when you think kde 4.0 will be out
[12:39] <milksteak> heh
[12:39] <_charlie> can some one tell me what i need to do for this: checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[12:39] <TestMAD> im expecting 3.5 around october
[12:39] <milksteak> 3.4.1 and 3.4.2 were released rather fast
[12:39] <TestMAD> or november
[12:40] <milksteak> reckon they'll wait for it until breezy?
[12:40] <TestMAD> thats what im thinking
[12:40] <milksteak> hmmm
[12:40] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hm, that's not as much as I thought it would be
[12:40] <TestMAD> they're going to be released toghether
[12:40] <milksteak> yeah
[12:40] <TestMAD> 4.0 will prolly be summertime or end of next year..sooner i hope
[12:41] <_dylan> ok dudes gtk-gnutella looks like kde 
[12:41] <_dylan> i dont know WHY
[12:41] <_dylan> but it does
[12:41] <milksteak> heh
[12:41] <_dylan> you like that word
[12:41] <_dylan> heh
[12:42] <milksteak> yes I do
[12:42] <_dylan> heh
[12:42] <TestMAD> so do i
[12:42] <TestMAD> heh
[12:42] <_dylan> heh
[12:42] <TestMAD> got a problem with it
[12:42] <_dylan> heh no
[12:42] <_dylan> lol
[12:42] <TestMAD> he
[12:42] <milksteak> ...
[12:42] <TestMAD> +h
[12:43] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I hope uqm 0.4 deb package gets out soon. I could get it and compile it myself  but, meh...
[12:44] <milksteak> uqm?
[12:44] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Ur-Quan Masters
[12:44] <milksteak> heh
[12:44] <Rogue_Jedi_X> It's a port of Star Control II from the 3DO console
[12:44] <milksteak> never heard of it
[12:44] <milksteak> oh
[12:44] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Free too
[12:45] <TestMAD> i want old xcom games on linux
[12:45] <TestMAD> that woudl be great
[12:45] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Isn't there a free multiplayer variant out there somewhere?
[12:45] <TestMAD> of xcom?
[12:45] <TestMAD> there is xcom2000
[12:46] <TestMAD> but it is and isnt free
[12:46] <TestMAD> you gotta have the original game to play it..and its for win
[12:46] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I'm sure I saw it somewhere
[12:46] <TestMAD> im sure i could run vmware to play those..they're not hard on gfx cards or cpu
[12:46] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I remember the rpm for it back when I was on Mandrake
[12:47] <TestMAD> i dunno
[12:47] <TestMAD> dont care unless its a full cd with movies and all
[12:47] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Oh, yeah. found it. Like you said, you need the original games, but it is free
[12:47] <luminerd> goodbye.  Thanks for being helpful.  I am converting to FC4.  Sorry.  bye.
[12:48] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Ufo2000
[12:48] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Well, that was interesting
[12:52] <LinuxNoob_> how do i make the clock a standard 12 hour USA clock? i dont like the 24 hour clock
[12:54] <hon> in settings:/accessibility country/...
[12:55] <LinuxNoob_> thats mean
[12:55] <LinuxNoob_> hon that sucks
[12:56] <TestMAD> umm click on the clokc to change its settings
[12:56] <hater2win> is there way to refresh the clock without logging out?
[12:56] <LinuxNoob_> it wont let me do 12 hr
[12:56] <hater2win> wont change
[12:56] <TestMAD> i dot see y..
[12:56] <_charlie> has anyone here been able to install kdevelop using kynaptic?
[12:56] <hon> hater2win: dcop kicker kicker restart
[12:56] <TestMAD> mine changes and lets  me change the format
[12:57] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Same here
[12:57] <LinuxNoob_> lol is there a better alternative to kate?  for me kate keeps crashin
[12:57] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Just change the format from HH:MM:SS to pH:MM:SS
[12:57] <hater2win> hon: thanks alot, worked like a charm
[12:57] <hon> np :)
[12:58] <hater2win> you can do anything in linux
[12:58] <hater2win> lol
[12:58] <hater2win> youd think it was impossible to restart without restarting
[12:59] <LinuxNoob_> that worked!
[12:59] <_charlie> will someone please tell me what this means and how to fix it? checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[12:59] <LinuxNoob_> is there something better than kate?
[01:00] <hon> hater2win: most of the elements of kde have dcop commands. you can browse them through kdcop
[01:07] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Yuck. I really though the Baghira theme would look better than this. even with its own color scheme
[01:09] <Rogue_Jedi_X> *thought
[01:09] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I really should start proof-reading
[01:18] <Ju1ce> _charlie: don't know whether you have found and answer but get x includes
[01:19] <Ju1ce> "sudo apt-get install x-dev"
[01:27] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Anyone know of a good FTP daemon with a nice GUI?
[01:28] <Ju1ce> gftp?
[01:30] <seth_k> meh, it's KDE... just use the kioslaves?
[01:31] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Oka then
[01:31] <Rogue_Jedi_X> *Okay
[01:34] <Blissex> LinuxNoob_: Kate is pretty good, but there are dozens of nice editors.
[01:34] <nocloud> i am having the problem posted here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54721 can somebody please help me?
[01:39] <Rogue_Jedi_X> You sure your network cards are set up correctly?
[01:41] <nocloud> how can i tell if they are set up correctly?
[01:41] <nocloud> when i boot, when it says configuring network cards, it says [fail] 
[01:41] <nocloud> but i don't know how to fix that
[01:41] <Rogue_Jedi_X> How does your ISP want your network cards to be configured? Manually or via DHCP?
[01:43] <nocloud> DHCP i believe
[01:43] <nocloud> that is how it is set up in windows
[01:43] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hm
[01:44] <Rogue_Jedi_X> And you say you can't get into administrator mode in Kcontrol?
[01:44] <nocloud> no, i have to use the sudo kcontrol command to get into admin mode
[01:45] <Rogue_Jedi_X> This might sound dumb, but you do know your administrator password, right?
[01:45] <nocloud> yea
[01:46] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Do you know your IP, Gateway, DNS, etc?
[01:47] <nocloud> yea
[01:47] <nocloud> i do
[01:47] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Try setting those up manually, maybe that'll do it
[01:48] <nocloud> the problem is i cannot enable the network card
[01:48] <nocloud> when i try to enable, it automatically disables itself after a second
[01:49] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Yeah, maybe because of DHCP
[01:49] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Tries to look for a DHCP server but doesn't find it
[01:50] <nocloud> so i should set the dhcp manually first and see what happens?
[01:51] <Rogue_Jedi_X> No, when you get to Network Settings and click Administrator mode and then Configure interface, change it from DHCP to Manual and input all those settings (DNS, IP, Gateway) by hand
[01:52] <nocloud> okay, gotcha
[01:52] <nocloud> i will go try that and see
[01:55] <m0nt0> hi guys i need a hand, on startup, in the installation process, the install program does not take my keyboard input at all, can anybody help me?
[02:00] <m0nt0> please help me
[02:06] <_dylan> is there a kde program that allows me to edit and trasfer files on my iriver ifp 895?
[02:09] <Blissex> m0nt0: thats very odd indeed -- try changing keyboard.
[02:10] <Blissex> m0nt0: unless it is a USB keyboard, in which case you probably should enable legacy USB keyboard emulation in the BIOS.
[02:10] <m0nt0> it's a notebook i can't
[02:10] <m0nt0> but it works with grub at boot
[02:12] <Blissex> m0nt0: then it is _really_ odd.
[02:15] <a514> how do i boot in textmode what live-option is avaiable?
[02:17] <m0nt0> another question, is difficulto upgrade from warty to hoary?
[02:18] <Tranquitos> sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:19] <Tranquitos> but i think you have to edit the repositories in /etc/apt/sources list
[02:19] <m0nt0> there are no problem?
[02:19] <Tranquitos> i guess not... i've never done it, but that is what apt-get upgrade is for
[02:20] <Tranquitos> anyway,  i recommend you to be in single-user mode before doing that
[02:21] <m0nt0> ooook
[02:21] <lexhider> I think sudo apt-get dist-upgrade is preferred for major upgrades.
[02:21] <m0nt0> ok
[02:27] <sml> I'll give a paypal donation to anyone who can help to get my WLAN running!? :)
[02:31] <jsubl2> sml: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards?highlight=%28wireless%29
[02:31] <jsubl2> hope it helps save your money
[02:32] <a514> Tranquitos, how do i change my ip info to like yours? 
[02:35] <AndrewHarm> hi, I need help with configuring my network, I have an internet connection on my desktop (xp)that I want to share with my laptop(kubuntu). The local connection works fine (ping). But the problem is that I can't connect to any site from my laptop, the dns seems to work, but then a long pause, and no response :( Any ideas?
[02:37] <a514> Andrew are you using a crossover cable?
[02:38] <a514> hey sml how much does PP deposit?!
[02:39] <sml> errr .. US$15
[02:40] <sml> I have tried att the how tos ... the ndiswrapper is installed correctly .. broadcom chip
[02:40] <Tranquitos> a514: sorry for the delay... what do you mean with ip info like mine??
[02:41] <a514> I'm using ChatZilla & when i hover the mouse over your alias it just lists a ip ?! :0
[02:43] <Tranquitos> weird... :S i'm using Konversation right now... i don't know what could it be 
[02:43] <a514> It's like there's no isp dns ?
[02:46] <Tranquitos> i'm back... comoe to think about it, freenode said "Couldn't look up your hostname"... maybe there's the problem
[02:47] <nocloud> does anybody know what i should put in in the broadcast field under the advanced setting in the network setup menu?
[02:48] <Tranquitos> what is your netmask?
[02:48] <nocloud> my subnet mask is 255.255.255.0
[02:49] <Tranquitos> well, you have to put the three first fields of your ip address, followed by .255
[02:49] <Tranquitos> for example
[02:49] <Tranquitos> if your ip is 10.0.0.1, you have to put 10.0.0.255
[02:49] <nocloud> allright, thanks :)
[02:50] <Tranquitos> no problem :)
[02:53] <Phantom^^> can someone help me i have installed linux for the first time and i'm trying to play mp3's I read on the website i need to install something called akode-mpeg but i don't actually know how to do this :( ?
[02:54] <a514> Phantom I read today on Kubuntu you have to install the audio codec .debs
[02:55] <a514> OGG Vorbis should work fine :)
[02:55] <Phantom^^> being this new at something is torture how do i get these .deb files ?
[02:56] <Tranquitos> to install programs, you can use kynaptic... or via konsole using "sudo apt-get install package" where package is the name of the program yu want to install
[02:56] <a514> Press the Bottom left K & do a search for Knaptic
[02:57] <Blissex> Phantom^^: practically everything you nedd to know is on the Ubuntu Wiki, with pointers etc.
[02:58] <Blissex> Phantom^^: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation#head-19e51e4331625e264a28ed6c484b946c86882d15
[02:58] <Blissex> Phantom^^: in particular https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:59] <Phantom^^> this is all so scary
[02:59] <Phantom^^> ok i have kynaptic up on my screen i typed in my user passwork and it seemed to like it
[03:00] <a514> Install the akode-mpeg package from the universe repository and killall artsd to restart the sound server
[03:01] <a514> Phantom, the scariest part is the Trust ;)
[03:01] <foobrain> Hello
[03:02] <_andy> okay, i just download firefox and i want to install it on kubuntu, the file is a .tar.gz format and it opened in Ark, how do i install firefox?
[03:02] <_andy> sorry, i'm a linux noob
[03:02] <Phantom^^> eek where is the universe repository
[03:03] <lexhider> _andy: no need to do that. all you need to do is run "sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox"
[03:03] <Ben1842> yup
[03:03] <Ben1842> word
[03:03] <a514> _andy i would start with Kynaptic to update the ff .deb
[03:03] <lexhider> Phantom^^: open /etc/apt/sources.list, there is a universe there that is commented out.
[03:04] <_andy> wait...
[03:04] <_andy> i'm really confused now
[03:04] <a514> Phantom just remove the # hash
[03:05] <_andy> how come i can run a command and install firefox without downloading it first?
[03:05] <a514> _andy it is simple, do you see the K bar? hover your mouse over the icons until you read console
[03:06] <sproingie> _andy: you only have to go through this once.  after that, installing stuff is easier than downloading it, since you don't even have to go find it
[03:06] <a514> _andy the package system is based on .deb aka debian and apt gets the packages
[03:06] <_andy> oh wow...
[03:06] <_andy> okay, so what do i do first...
[03:06] <_andy> i just opened konsole
[03:07] <sproingie> _andy: type this:  kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:07] <Phantom^^> ok guys i found the file sources.list in the konsole thingy but what is a nice text editor that i can use to get rid of the # cos i'm viewing is with less atm
[03:07] <a514> your using one of the best systems which is based on .deb packages
[03:07] <sproingie> Phantom^^: use kate
[03:08] <_andy> okay, i typed in "kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:08] <_andy> a file opened
[03:08] <_andy> what do i do now?
[03:08] <a514> look for the #hash
[03:09] <_andy> okay, i see lots of hashes
[03:09] <_andy> i'm guessing i need to delete one of them?
[03:09] <a514> the # hash sign ignores text
[03:10] <_andy> okay, so what to i have to do with the hashes?
[03:10] <a514> just look for the universal
[03:10] <Phantom^^> kate wont let me save i'm thinking this is cos i need root privaleges to write to that file can i do this by putting sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:11] <Phantom^^> when i try to open the sources.list file?
[03:11] <a514> Check the K menu for system There should be a Root Console listed
[03:11] <_andy> # deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[03:11] <_andy> # deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[03:11] <_andy> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[03:11] <_andy> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[03:11] <_andy> # deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[03:11] <_andy> # deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[03:12] <_andy> okay, i have all of those
[03:12] <_andy> which ones do i need to modify?
[03:13] <a514> guys you want to help choose?
[03:13] <Phantom^^> lol now kate is messing up
[03:13] <Phantom^^> it wont load
[03:14] <a514> Phantom did you find a root console in the K menu?
[03:14] <sproingie> _andy: take out all those # marks
[03:15] <sproingie> you probably don't need the deb-src lines, but they don't hurt anything
[03:15] <a514> _andy after you save the file. You'll have access to alot of packages ;)
[03:15] <sproingie> they're handy if you need to grab source for whatever reason
[03:15] <Phantom^^> ok guys it wont let me touch this file unless i'm root
[03:15] <vascodx> hi from Argentina, pleaced to meet you all
[03:15] <_andy> okay, i am also getting problems saving the file
[03:16] <sproingie> ah, forgot to tell ya to do it as root
[03:16] <_andy> how do i do it as root?
[03:16] <sproingie> quit out of kate and type: sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:16] <Phantom^^> how do i become root in kubuntu
[03:16] <sproingie> enter your password when it asks you
[03:16] <sproingie> Phantom^^: use sudo
[03:16] <a514> _andy that's what i'm saying :)
[03:16] <vascodx> sudo -i
[03:16] <sproingie> vascodx: what's -i do?
[03:17] <_andy>  Limits: Playback 0 - 31
[03:17] <_andy> [20:14]  <Blissex> Eddie: when the download is finished, which is unlikely to be so fast, it shall start installing, and takes a bit of time.
[03:17] <vascodx> -i parameter change you to root user
[03:17] <_andy>  Limits: Playback 0 - 31
[03:17] <_andy> [20:14]  <Blissex> Eddie: when the download is finished, which is unlikely to be so fast, it shall start installing, and takes a bit of time.
[03:17] <a514> imagine if the root account was logged & remotely monitored by MSW!!
[03:17] <_andy> oops
[03:17] <a514> :) lol
[03:17] <_andy> yea, i have a problem
[03:17] <_andy> when i type in sudo, i get an error
[03:18] <Phantom^^> john@john:~$ sudo -i kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:18] <Phantom^^> /usr/bin/kate: /usr/bin/kate: cannot execute binary file
[03:18] <sproingie> whoah that's new
[03:18] <sproingie> Phantom^^: leave off that -i
[03:18] <_andy> it is now saying that kate probably crashed...
[03:19] <Phantom^^> kate: ERROR: Communication problem with kate, it probably crashed.
[03:19] <Phantom^^> john@john:~$
[03:19] <sproingie> ye gads
[03:19] <_andy> yea, i got the same thing as phantom
[03:19] <sproingie> what a pain
[03:19] <a514> _andy try uname -a
[03:19] <sproingie> ok, try sudo su -
[03:19] <sproingie> that'll give you a root shell
[03:19] <vascodx> -i is a good choice!
[03:20] <_andy> sudo su -
[03:20] <_andy> ?
[03:20] <sproingie> gives you a root shell
[03:20] <sproingie> use with caution
[03:20] <_andy> okay, i used the command...
[03:20] <_andy> now i am root
[03:20] <sproingie> you'll have to open up your x server too.  you got a firewall?
[03:20] <a514> he just need to unhash #
[03:20] <vascodx> If you are tired of typing "sudo" all the time, switch to root user by issuing "sudo -i" followed by user password.
[03:21] <sproingie> ah, sudo -i == sudo su -
[03:21] <Tranquitos> why don't you use "kdesu kate" ??
[03:21] <sproingie> hey that's better
[03:21] <Phantom^^> root@john:~ # kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:21] <Phantom^^> kate: ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Can't determine DISPLAY. Aborting.
[03:21] <sproingie> yeah, i just realized that
[03:21] <a514> or if you want to change the password type sudo passwd
[03:21] <vascodx> ok sproingie
[03:21] <sproingie> i forget i have my root bash_profile all special-hacked
[03:22] <Tranquitos> Phantom^^: press alt-f2 in kde, and in the text box wirte "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[03:22] <sproingie> again i ask, why the heck isn't universe enabled by default?
[03:22] <sproingie> every last person who installs has to go through this song and dance
[03:22] <Tranquitos> maybe that will be fixed in breezy (i hope so!)
[03:22] <Phantom^^>  hero
[03:23] <Phantom^^> ok i got rid of all the "#"
[03:23] <sproingie> Phantom^^: save, and type: apt-get update
[03:23] <a514> because like it says in the faq, some countries do not have permission to share a/v codecs & encryption like gpg
[03:23] <sproingie> Phantom^^: er ... as root
[03:23] <Phantom^^> ok
[03:23] <sproingie> Phantom^^: sudo apt-get update
[03:23] <Phantom^^> ok
[03:23] <_andy> i used tranquitos command and was able to edit the sources.list
[03:23] <Phantom^^> i did that
[03:24] <_andy> i was able to change it too
[03:24] <sproingie> a514: then put it in restricted, but for godsakes, this is nuts
[03:24] <Tranquitos> but anyway, what is the point of leave commented out those lines, if any user from anywhere could change them?
[03:24] <a514> Tranquitos what does kdesu do?
[03:24] <sproingie> or provide a pointy clicky install-time wizard
[03:24] <Phantom^^> sproingie i have run this command from my root shell now what do i just sit an wait will this get me the audio package i needed to run my mp3's ?
[03:24] <_andy> i heard kdesu is the same as sudo
[03:25] <sproingie> Tranquitos: the idea is that the user took the action, not the distributor. some people who play political lawyer in their free time think this actually means something
[03:25] <_andy> expect the order or something is different
[03:25] <_andy> oh wait, sudo is command line
[03:25] <a514> sproingie, just like redhat ther's no mp3/4 codecs i like Ogg Vorbis/Theora 
[03:25] <_andy> kdesu is a gui tool for kde
[03:26] <_andy> okay, i edited the sources.list file
[03:26] <_andy> what next?
[03:26] <sproingie> _andy: in the shell, type:  sudo apt-get update
[03:26] <Tranquitos> a514: kdesu is like sudo but for executing graphical programs as root in the current xsession
[03:26] <Tranquitos> or something like that
[03:26] <sproingie> yah, it keeps you from having to fiddle with display and xauth/xhost and whatnot
[03:26] <_andy> whoa, something is running.....
[03:27] <_andy> think it is getting updated :)
[03:27] <sproingie> yep.  it's updating your package list
[03:27] <Phantom^^> ok sproingie i jsut typed apt-get install akode-mpeg in my root shell command line thingy it download and did some studd
[03:27] <Phantom^^> stuff
[03:27] <_andy> okay, its done now
[03:27] <sproingie> sounds like it's working
[03:27] <sproingie> i heartily recommend aptitude btw
[03:27] <sproingie> it's a nice front end to apt
[03:27] <_andy> now, in the future, to install applications, what do i type in again?
[03:27] <Phantom^^> okay whats that command to restart my audio server or whatever
[03:28] <sproingie> _andy: aptitude
[03:28] <a514> take care guys ciao
[03:28] <Tranquitos> _andy: either aptitude, or "apt-get install name"
[03:28] <sproingie> _andy: if you don't have aptitude, type sudo apt-get install aptitude
[03:28] <_andy> say i want to install firefox, can you give me the exact syntax?
[03:28] <sproingie> the neat thing about aptitude is browsing packages, AND it'll prompt you for the root password
[03:28] <sproingie> er, your password ... same diff
[03:29] <sproingie> _andy: if you know the package name, apt-get install whatever
[03:29] <Tranquitos> _andy: sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[03:29] <sproingie> _andy: if you don't, you can find it in aptitude
[03:29] <_andy> do i have to type in sudo for it to work?
[03:29] <Phantom^^> ok guys i jsut read i need to type killall artsd
[03:29] <Phantom^^> to restart something
[03:29] <sproingie> _andy: yes
[03:30] <sproingie> aptitude will prompt you for the password if you run it interactively.  if you use the CLI, you'll need sudo
[03:30] <Tranquitos> i think ubuntu needs a root account... i could never use a linux without root!! 1
[03:30] <sproingie> it has a root account
[03:30] <sproingie> it just doesn't give it a single password
[03:31] <_andy> is there a way for me to browse through the avaliable programs?
[03:31] <sproingie> actually if you use the expert installer it does install a plain old root with a normal password
[03:31] <_andy> like what happens if i don't know the name of the program
[03:31] <Tranquitos> _andy: kynaptic in kde
[03:31] <Phantom^^> hmm
[03:31] <_andy> kynaptic?
[03:31] <_andy> could you tell me more
[03:31] <Phantom^^> eek
[03:32] <Phantom^^> i'm stuck
[03:32] <_andy> that term doesn't register with me yet
[03:32] <_andy> kynaptic
[03:32] <Phantom^^> i installed the package akode-mpeg
[03:32] <Tranquitos> sproingie: yes, i never used the expert installer, i only installed kubuntu once, some months ago
[03:32] <Phantom^^> at typed killall artsd
[03:32] <Phantom^^> but i still don't get any sound from amorok
[03:32] <Tranquitos> sproingie: but, the first thing i did was to change root's password
[03:35] <Phantom^^> hmmm
[03:35] <Phantom^^> strange 
[03:36] <_andy> anybody know how to copy text in konversation?
[03:36] <Phantom^^> highlight it
[03:36] <Tranquitos> select it
[03:36] <Phantom^^> and right clock copy
[03:36] <_andy> ah, thanks :)
[03:36] <Tranquitos> either that, or select it and paste with middle click
[03:37] <_andy> now, how to i browse for programs?
[03:37] <Tranquitos> to install them, just run kynaptic
[03:37] <Phantom^^> can anyone help my with getting this sound working in Kmix is seems to have identified my sound card
[03:37] <Phantom^^> but i dont get anysound :(
[03:38] <Tranquitos> it's located in system, in the k-menu
[03:38] <_andy> where is kynaptic located?
[03:38] <Tranquitos> _andy: it's located in system, in the k-menu
[03:39] <Tranquitos> it says "Package manager"
[03:39] <_andy> ah, i found it :)
[03:40] <Tranquitos> great! :)
[03:41] <Jeezis> kubuntu pwnz all other distros! :-p
[03:41] <Phantom^^> :(
[03:41] <Phantom^^> sill sound not working
[03:41] <Tranquitos> nope... debian pwnz... kubuntu is the second in that list :D
[03:42] <Tranquitos> is amarok configured?
[03:42] <Tranquitos> check in kmix, the volumes
[03:42] <Phantom^^> well i tried juk as well
[03:42] <_andy> somebody told me i should use " sudo dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[03:42] <Tranquitos> usually they are very low
[03:42] <_andy> what does that do?
[03:42] <Phantom^^> and still nothing
[03:43] <Tranquitos> Phantom^^: start kmix, and control the volume there
[03:43] <Phantom^^> which control is for mp3
[03:43] <Phantom^^> there are like 50
[03:43] <_andy> what does " sudo dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg" do?
[03:44] <Tranquitos> Phantom^^: well, try until you hear something :)
[03:44] <Tranquitos> _andy: i don't know... apparently is to configure x server
[03:44] <Phantom^^> well nothing is at the bottom
[03:44] <Tranquitos> although i never used it
[03:45] <Phantom^^> so unless there is liek a mute all button i really dont think its the kmix
[03:45] <Phantom^^> that is the problem hmmm
[03:45] <Tranquitos> Phantom^^: make sure the "LEDs" are on... in kmix
[03:45] <_andy> what exactly is x server?
[03:45] <Jeezis> _andy: it's what runs your display
[03:45] <Tranquitos> _andy: is the graphical server... 
[03:46] <Jeezis> _andy: it's all that stands between you...and the trauma that is the console XD
[03:46] <Tranquitos> Jeezis: that's a good definition, hahaha
[03:47] <Phantom^^> ok i just click on all the leds on output and switchess and still nothing
[03:47] <Tranquitos> still, console rules! ;)
[03:47] <Tranquitos> is amarok playing?
[03:47] <Phantom^^> yeah
[03:48] <Phantom^^> i went to hardware info thingy and it see my sound card creative audigy 2
[03:49] <Tranquitos> hmm... then i don't know... :S
[03:50] <Phantom^^> maybe i should restart
[03:50] <Tranquitos> check amarok's config
[03:50] <Tranquitos> maybe there is something wrong there
[03:50] <Tranquitos> i never used it, so i can't tell you exactly... i use xmms
[03:51] <Phantom^^> how do i get xmms
[03:52] <Phantom^^> ok
[03:52] <Tranquitos> Phantom^^: sudo apt-get install xmms
[03:52] <Phantom^^> yeal
[03:52] <Phantom^^> already did it :D
[03:52] <Tranquitos> hehe, ok :)
[03:53] <_andy> is there a shortcut key to switch to the detail view?
[03:53] <Phantom^^> hmmm
[03:54] <Phantom^^> yeah xmms produces nothing too
[03:54] <Phantom^^> might sound silly
[03:54] <Phantom^^> im gonna try and plug into different sockets on teh back of the sound blaster
[03:55] <bagmeet> hello I have a network problem with my kubuntu on my laptop
[03:55] <bagmeet> switching from my office network to the home network is giving me problems
[03:55] <Tranquitos> Phantom^^: just connect your speakers in "line out"... the green one... hehe
[03:55] <bagmeet> can anyone here help please
[03:55] <Tranquitos> bagmeet: what is the problem?
[03:56] <Phantom^^> lol
[03:56] <Phantom^^> thing is my audigy does not use colour coding on the back
[03:56] <Phantom^^> but i had the wire in the wrong socket
[03:56] <Phantom^^> lol
[03:56] <bagmeet> hello Tranquitos, the problem is that the networks in my home and office have different gateways
[03:57] <bagmeet> so the dhcp server is not able to get the correct gateway address and the right ip info when i try to connect at home
[03:57] <bagmeet> editing the /etc/network/interfaces file doesnt stick, nor does changing the gateway from Kcontrol stick
[03:58] <Tranquitos> hmm... at home you have a static ip address?
[03:58] <bagmeet> no as far as I know its assigned by the dhcp, though window always picks up the same ip from the dsl router
[03:59] <Phantom^^> right next question how do i install nvidia drivers as im using the generic ones atm 
[04:00] <Tranquitos> bagmeet: so the dhcp on your router does not give info about the gateway?
[04:01] <bagmeet> no apparently it doesnt, it picks up a gateway from another computer on a wireless network
[04:01] <Tranquitos> bagmeet: try using "sudo route add default gw xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx" where all the x's are the ip address of the gateway
[04:02] <bagmeet> I tried this but it gives error "SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable"
[04:03] <bagmeet> this might be due to the fact that I can only use wireless card when i do /sbin/ifdown eth0 to put down the ethernet connection thru the dsl router
[04:04] <bagmeet> the wireless connection is through someone else's wireless router in the building, no idea who's
[04:05] <Tranquitos> and if you put down wireless, does it detect the correct gateway?
[04:06] <Phantom^^> right i have found a tutorial on how to install nvidia drivers
[04:06] <Phantom^^> from and unofficial ubuntu giude
[04:06] <Phantom^^> will the process be the same fro ubuntu as for kubuntu ?
[04:07] <Tranquitos> Phantom^^: i guess so... the only difference between them is kde 
[04:07] <Blissex> Phantom^^: yes, they are actually the same distribution.
[04:08] <_andy> anybody know how to make desktop icons larger?
[04:08] <Phantom^^> if i link you to the guide can you guys take a look at what he is saying and tell me if its all ok eek
[04:09] <Phantom^^> http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[04:11] <Tranquitos> i've got to go... i'll be back later
[04:11] <_bagmeet> I was disconnected while trying to try out the route command, Tranquitos, just to inform you that it doesnt work with eth1 down and eth0 up
[04:12] <_andy> is there a ftp client bundled with kubuntu?
[04:13] <Phantom^^> i guess i'll jsut give this ago
[04:14] <Phantom^^> Hope i don't get black screen syndrom and have to reformat 
[04:17] <_andy> when i install a program through kynaptic, where does it end up?
[04:18] <douglas> anyone know of a program that can convert photoshop tiffs to gimp xcfs
[04:18] <douglas> ?
[04:19] <Blissex> douglas: try to do it as a two step process, from TIFF to something else and then import the something else to the Gimp
[04:19] <Blissex> douglas: also, ask in the Gimp channel
[04:19] <Phantom^^> right
[04:20] <Phantom^^> i think i have installed these nvidia drivers i guess i'll have to restart the xserver to see if it has worked
[04:25] <_andy> okay, i just installed vnc viewer with kynaptic, now, how do i execute the program?
[04:28] <Phantom^^> hey can someone help me i think i installed these nvidia drivers properly but when i go to desktop settings in kde and try to increase the resolution from 1024 X 868 
[04:29] <Phantom^^> and it still only gives me the basic options
[04:32] <Phantom^^> eek anyone here know anything about using an nvidia graphics card with kubuntu of ubuntu /? 
[04:33] <_andy> is there a linux equivalent to the task manager?
[04:33] <jsubl2> top is my fav
[04:34] <ilba7r> andy are you running kubuntu or ubuntu
[04:34] <ilba7r> add to your taskbar system monitor
[04:35] <ilba7r> move mouse to panel right click select add applet and select system monitor its like task manager
[04:38] <_andy> thanks
[04:38] <_andy> i am running kubuntu
[04:39] <_andy> okay, my next question....
[04:39] <_andy> how do i launch applications that i installed in KDE?
[04:41] <_lexhider> either look in the menu, or in a terminal type the name of the app. e.g. kmail &
[04:42] <_andy> is there a ftp client that comes with KDE?
[04:57] <_lexhider> _andy: not sure about a client, but konqueror has it built in.
[04:58] <jesusfish> is it me, or are the Ubuntu repositories messed right now?
[04:58] <jesusfish> it's like a dependency nightmare
[05:00] <charlie> how do i use .deb files?
[05:00] <coolblue> i landed in grub shell....help!
[05:00] <charlie> please someone?
[05:01] <_lexhider> charlie: what do you want to do?
[05:01] <charlie> install it
[05:01] <charlie> i dont know how to use .deb files
[05:01] <coolblue> i landed in grub shell....help!
[05:02] <_lexhider> charlie: install what?
[05:02] <charlie> its a zlib file
[05:02] <charlie> i need to install libz and kynaptic doent have it
[05:03] <charlie> so i found a .deb file
[05:03] <charlie> zlib1g-dev_1.2.2-4ubuntu1.2_i386.deb
[05:03] <_lexhider> charlie: sudo apt-get install kynaptic
[05:03] <charlie> i have lynaptic
[05:04] <charlie> kynaptic
[05:04] <Epod69> hey, how do i install java, does it have to do with the java-common package?
[05:05] <_lexhider> sorry, I don't know much about kynaptic.
[05:06] <_lexhider> sudo apt-get install zlib1g-dev
[05:06] <Phantom^^> can anyone tell me how i configure an nvidia driver after installing it on a kubuntu system ?
[05:06] <Phantom^^> I think its installed but i don't know how to say adjsut my screen resolution / colour depth and anti aliasing and stuff like that.
[05:07] <seth_k> Phantom^^, sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[05:07] <seth_k> to turn it on
[05:07] <seth_k> then edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf to change resolutions &c.
[05:07] <coolblue> i landed in grub shell....help!
[05:08] <Epod69> seth_k, about that changing resolutions, why cant you change it through the display settings, I believe you could do that with debian ?
[05:09] <seth_k> Epod69, indeed, sometimes you can... but I've had issues with doing it through the GUI before. You're right though, he should probably try that first
[05:10] <Phantom^^> yeah where do i do that 
[05:10] <Phantom^^> I have had a quik look at the xorg.conf file 
[05:10] <Phantom^^> and i saw a load of 6800 and NV40 stuff
[05:11] <Phantom^^> but i don't know what do in there i guess i should be reading appendix d from the nvidia linux, open bsd and solaris installtion readme
[05:11] <coolblue> can i log in as root in kubuntu?
[05:11] <Phantom^^> i think it has all the parameters you can manual use yourself in there
[05:11] <coolblue> can i log in as root in kubuntu?
[05:11] <Epod69> yea, you can change that, you cant change the display depth though without editing xorg.conf.....a little wierd
[05:11] <coolblue> can i log in as root in kubuntu?
[05:11] <coolblue> can i log in as root in kubuntu?
[05:11] <Phantom^^> umm not b default
[05:11] <Phantom^^> i think you need to type in
[05:12] <Phantom^^> sudo before any commands you want to execute that you would otherwise have to be root to be able to use
[05:12] <Epod69> i think you need to stop the flooding!
[05:12] <Epod69> =P
[05:13] <Phantom^^> eek sorry i did not mean to i musy have multiple line using sydrome :(
[05:13] <Epod69> you could always keep hitting alt ctlr backspace until you are back to the shell, then log in as root then type startx
[05:13] <coolblue> can i log in as root in kubuntu? IN GUI
[05:13] <seth_k> coolblue, not sure if you know you're sending the same message over and over, but you need to not do that, please
[05:13] <Epod69> im also sure somewhere in the menu of kdm you can change an option to log in as root
[05:14] <seth_k> I don't believe so, actually. You should use kdesu to run programs with root privileges
[05:14] <seth_k> remember that (k)Ubuntu disables the root account per default
[05:14] <coolblue> can i activate it?
[05:14] <seth_k> ubotu tell coolblue about rootsudo
[05:14] <Epod69> so.., is there a special way of installing sun java for kubuntu, i know its different for every distro cause of licensing issues and all....
[05:15] <seth_k> ubotu tell Epod69 about java
[05:15] <_andy> anybody know how i run an executable file in kubuntu?
[05:15] <Jeezis00> heck, tell me why my browsers won't open streaming media all of a sudden
[05:15] <Epod69> ubotu didnt tell me anything...
[05:15] <ubotu> Epod69: Are you smoking crack?
[05:15] <foodcoman> Anyone a Web Browser Multimedia guru?
[05:16] <seth_k> Epod69, it should have given you a private message
[05:16] <seth_k> but http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java should do it
[05:16] <Epod69> it was blank
[05:16] <Epod69> lol, what kind of exec., the windows kind?
[05:16] <foodcoman> Having trouble with codec.  would like to clean it out and start over.
[05:16] <_andy> no, its a linux exec
[05:16] <_andy> download from the realvnc site
[05:16] <Epod69> ubotu, no
[05:16] <ubotu> Epod69: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[05:16] <Epod69> seth_k, i pm did come up but it was blank
[05:17] <seth_k> ok. Just use the link I provided about 10 lines up
[05:17] <Epod69> the hell is with ubotu
[05:17] <seth_k> if you say its name
[05:17] <seth_k> it thinks you're talking to it
[05:18] <_andy> i also have a .gz file for realvnc viewer...
[05:18] <_andy> anybody know how i can install it?
[05:19] <seth_k> _andy, sudo aptitude install build-essential checkinstall && tar -xvzf realvncwhatever.gz && cd realvncwhatever && ./configure && make && checkinstall
[05:19] <foodcoman> realvnc is in one of the repositories
[05:19] <Epod69> sorry bout that, can you give me the link again for java
[05:19] <seth_k> Epod69, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[05:19] <hater2win> how do I install themes?
[05:19] <Epod69> thanx
[05:19] <foodcoman> Or build it!  =)
[05:19] <seth_k> hater2win, just drop them onto the Theme window
[05:19] <seth_k> foodcoman, it's in the repos?
[05:20] <hater2win> seth_k: do i download the "sources" or the "ebuild"
[05:20] <seth_k> hater2win, what kind of theme is this? A KDE theme?
[05:20] <hater2win> yeah
[05:20] <hater2win> Tiblit
[05:20] <seth_k> link?
[05:20] <hater2win> seth_k: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=20798
[05:21] <seth_k> hater2win, the sources are what you want
[05:21] <seth_k> hater2win, then just drop the file onto the theme manager
[05:21] <hater2win> drag/drop?
[05:21] <foodcoman> seth_k: yeah!
[05:21] <foodcoman> Might have been the um........
[05:21] <seth_k> foodcoman, I can't find it...
[05:22] <_andy> seth_k, is there a easier way to install the vnc viewer?
[05:22] <_andy> this is only my first time using linux...
[05:22] <foodcoman> Might have been in the backports.  Long ago I did my repos based on the www.ubuntuguide.org and it showed.
[05:23] <foodcoman> Let me see what I got now.
[05:23] <hater2win> sup Kamping_Kaiser 
[05:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi hater2win
[05:24] <_andy> is there a ftp client that comes with kubuntu?
[05:24] <foodcoman> My bad...... it was tightvnc which I install seth_k:
[05:25] <foodcoman> VNC common is in there though
[05:25] <seth_k> _andy, why not just use krfb?
[05:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> you mean a graphical one _andy? I'm not sure
[05:25] <_andy> does krfb work on computers outside of the network i'm in?
[05:25] <foodcoman> Search your repos for just VNC
[05:26] <seth_k> _andy, sure
[05:26] <seth_k> _andy, it's a full RDP / VNC client
[05:26] <seth_k> _andy, KDE has the ftp kioslave. Just right-click > New Link > Location > ftp://username@yourdomain.com
[05:27] <hater2win> if the theme has a config file do i need to ./configure it?
[05:28] <Epod69> anyone know why all of a sudden konqueror is displaying the text of each icon a yellow collor?
[05:28] <seth_k> er, _andy, krdc, not krfb, sorry
[05:28] <seth_k> hater2win, you shouldn't even have to unzip it. Just drop the whole thing onto the theme manager
[05:28] <_andy> okay. o
[05:29] <_andy> is there secure ftp on KDE?
[05:29] <seth_k> yep
[05:29] <_andy> where can i find that?
[05:29] <seth_k> make it the same way as you made the ftp link, but use sftp://
[05:29] <seth_k> Right-click > Create New > Link to Location > sftp://username@yourdomain.com
[05:30] <_andy> for the ftp, where do you right click on again?
[05:31] <seth_k> where you want to create the link to it. I put mine on the Desktop
[05:32] <hater2win> seth_k: o drag and drop it but nothing happens
[05:33] <cooljoe_> I have all of my gtk apps using Qt in Kubuntu with the plastic theme, but some appear very ugly, such as synaptic in this way. (Yes I know I can use Kynaptic but I don't like it) How can I make synaptic and similar gtk apps look better? 
[05:34] <seth_k> most will, if you're using the gtk-qt thing. Synaptic still looks crappy because you run it using kdesu. No workaround for that right now afaik
[05:34] <foodcoman> Should I nuke this repo line or replace it????
[05:34] <foodcoman> http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341/dists/hoary-updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[05:35] <cooljoe_> seth_k, I am sad now
[05:35] <seth_k> go find the KDE 3.4.1 repo line in your sources.list and replace it with the KDE 3.4.2 repo line as detailed above, foodcoman 
[05:36] <foodcoman> seth_k:  thanks a bunch
[05:44] <foodcoman> seth_k: Should I be concerned if there in no verification.... I would kind of like to fix that.
[05:45] <seth_k> foodcoman, for which repo? the kde updates one?
[05:45] <foodcoman> Yeah
[05:46] <foodcoman> KDE-342
[05:47] <cooljoe_> foodcoman, i don't think it matters
[05:48] <foodcoman> Im rolling with it then!   =)
[05:49] <foodcoman> Small update 117 items is all.
[05:49] <foodcoman> maybe it will fix kcontrol networking advanced problem.
[05:52] <Elsidox> can anyone tell me how to resgsister a channel?
[05:53] <foodcoman> Hrm not sure about registering, but if you join one that does not exist, it will create it.
[05:56] <seth_k>  /msg chanserv help register
[05:56] <seth_k> @ Elsidox 
[05:58] <foodcoman> I am going to reboot this puppy
[05:58] <Furic> Heya
[05:58] <seth_k> hi Furic 
[06:01] <Furic> I have a vt2c686b southbridge, that handles sound, and i think my gameport too, sound is working but gameport is not, "gameport" kernel module is loaded, and kcontrol's "joystick" applet is saying no joystick found, and that it checked /dev/js[0-4]  and /dev/input/js[0-4] 
[06:01] <Furic> Any ideas what could be up?
[06:02] <seth_k> whew, nice specifics
[06:02] <seth_k> have you tried "dmesg | less" to see if you can spot anything funny?
[06:03] <Furic> nope...
[06:03] <Furic> Oh, and i have the noapic kernel option on boot to fix a sound irq conflict issue.
[06:09] <Furic> I can't see anything sus in dmesg. :\
[06:09] <foodcoman> Cant seem to find kcontrol now that I upgraded to 3.4.2
[06:11] <cooljoe_> run it from command line and add it manually with kmenuedit
[06:12] <Furic> Or press alt+f2 and run it from there.
[06:12] <root________> how does kubuntu's kdesu make kdesu ask for the user password rather than the root password to gain root access with kdesu ?
[06:14] <foodcoman> got it added and the admin button work now!  Saweet.
[06:14] <foodcoman> thanks
[06:15] <seth_k> root________, it's patched to work with Kubuntu
[06:16] <root________> seth_k, so there's no way I can configure it to work like that in another distro ?
[06:16] <Furic> ... patch it.
[06:16] <foodcoman> Hey seth, do you think this will pretty much cover most multimedia type and that these are accurate?  http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[06:17] <c0rrupt_> hi i just installed kubuntu to harddisk using vmware virtual workstation. i had no problems throughout the install and i was able to boot to kubuntu through vmware. however my problem is i cannot boot to kubuntu normally because i am getting kernal panic erros.. something along the lines of missing something in /dev.. ard to remember
[06:17] <root________> Furic, is kdesu all I would need to patch, or are there other packages that would require patching as well ?
[06:17] <seth_k> foodcoman, for codecs you should use http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:17] <Furic> I don't know. :\
[06:18] <hater2win> when you install something in VMWare. doesn't it have to continue to be booted in VMWare?
[06:18] <Furic> This is what i thought hater2win.
[06:18] <c0rrupt_> hater2win : i dont think so..
[06:18] <c0rrupt_> why would it install any differently?
[06:18] <Furic> Different hardware.
[06:18] <hater2win> because, those files become CP files
[06:18] <hater2win> XP files
[06:19] <hater2win> XP emulates the boot process
[06:19] <hater2win> well
[06:19] <hater2win> vmware emulates it
[06:19] <c0rrupt_> its installed to hdd..
[06:19] <c0rrupt_> not virtual disk
[06:19] <Furic> Yes, but it was installed to work with the vmware hardware, not the host systems hardware
[06:19] <hater2win> yeah
[06:19] <c0rrupt_> i see..
[06:19] <Furic> there are probably a bunch of kernel modules and things that need loading.
[06:20] <_ben> once I compile something with ./config , sudo make , sudo make install    what do I do next?    
[06:20] <c0rrupt_> reason i installed it in vmware is because my cdrom is broke..
[06:20] <Furic> _ben: run it?
[06:20] <hater2win> yeah, because VMWare becomes its own partition i believe, and it has a ntfs type
[06:20] <_ben> from where?
[06:20] <hater2win> make install clear?
[06:20] <_ben> I can't seem to find it
[06:20] <hater2win> where <your app name here>
[06:20] <c0rrupt_> hater2win : it installed to harddisk, it had full access to a partition i created using partition magic
[06:21] <c0rrupt_> dev/hda5
[06:21] <hater2win> what was the partition type
[06:21] <c0rrupt_> ext3
[06:21] <_ben> does it need to be the exsact name of the prog?
[06:21] <c0rrupt_> i also have a 70mb linux swap
[06:21] <Furic> c0rrupt_: Really, go buy a new cd burner, they cost like 50 bucks AUD.
[06:21] <c0rrupt_> i have a cd burner
[06:22] <c0rrupt_> its an external usb cd burner
[06:22] <Furic> bios cannot handle booting from that?
[06:22] <c0rrupt_> i wish
[06:22] <c0rrupt_> ive tried booting from it
[06:22] <c0rrupt_> any tricks that i should try to get it to work?
[06:22] <c0rrupt_> i dont have an option in bios to boot from usb...
[06:23] <c0rrupt_> *but* for some reason it lets me boot from my external hdd
[06:23] <c0rrupt_> which is also usb
[06:23] <_ben> ok well thx for trying
[06:23] <Furic> Ok, well theres only one other thing i can think of, you might be able to make enough space to hold the install cd on your hard drive, copy it in to its own partition, boot the installer, install to other partitions, then delete installer partition, but oh so tedious!
[06:23] <_ben> I guess I can't be helped   lol
[06:23] <hater2win> lol
[06:23] <hater2win> umm
[06:23] <hater2win> like
[06:23] <hater2win> if you installed python
[06:23] <hater2win> try
[06:23] <hater2win> whereis python
[06:23] <hater2win> or gaim
[06:23] <Furic> which is insane, go get an internal cd drive
[06:23] <hater2win> whereis gaim
[06:23] <foodcoman> Thanks for the link seth_k:   workin it now.
[06:24] <hater2win> _ben: sorry for not answering
[06:24] <c0rrupt_> hah
[06:24] <c0rrupt_> furic
[06:24] <c0rrupt_> i love the idea
[06:24] <Furic> Why did you get an external burner anyway? is it a laptop?
[06:24] <_ben> I still can't find it
[06:24] <c0rrupt_> yea
[06:24] <c0rrupt_> laptop
[06:24] <hater2win> what program is it?
[06:24] <c0rrupt_> dell * :'(
[06:24] <Furic> Damn.
[06:24] <c0rrupt_> Lol
[06:24] <_ben> it's a game but it in Kubuntu I have no game menu
[06:25] <Furic> Ok, try this, go buy a new laptop.
[06:25] <c0rrupt_> hmm.. i like the idea though.. its adventerous
[06:25] <seth_k> hater2win, sudo passwd root
[06:25] <Furic> :P
[06:25] <c0rrupt_> ha
[06:25] <c0rrupt_> i have about 600
[06:25] <seth_k> hater2win, but read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo first please
[06:25] <hater2win> seth_k: that doesn't enable root access?
[06:25] <c0rrupt_> saving
[06:25] <c0rrupt_> then building a desktop
[06:25] <Furic> hater2win: type "sudo passwd" in to konsole.
[06:25] <_ben> then type su
[06:25] <_ben> and put in your pass
[06:25] <_ben> to be the root
[06:26] <c0rrupt_> 0.o
[06:26] <seth_k> Furic, he needs sudo passwd root, i believe
[06:26] <c0rrupt_> hm
[06:26] <Furic> Oh.
[06:26] <c0rrupt_> furic
[06:26] <c0rrupt_> how would i copy the iso to the partition
[06:26] <Furic> I'm not entirely sure on that one...
[06:26] <c0rrupt_> :>
[06:26] <c0rrupt_> hm
[06:27] <c0rrupt_> that doesnt help me at all
[06:27] <c0rrupt_> Lol
[06:27] <Furic> I have heard that you can burn ext3 on to cdr's and it works, so maybe the reverse it true too?
[06:27] <_ben> so is there a certian folder that compiled files goto or is it diff for every program?
[06:27] <c0rrupt_> heh
[06:27] <c0rrupt_> where did you hear that
[06:27] <hater2win> i believe they all go to /usr/bin
[06:27] <Furic> might be able to just dd the iso file in to the partitions device...
[06:27] <Furic> I don't know
[06:27] <c0rrupt_> dd?
[06:27] <hater2win> :ben: try /usr/bin
[06:28] <hater2win> bleh
[06:28] <Furic> I heard it on the internet, somewhere online, thats all i know
[06:28] <hater2win> how do you do red text?
[06:28] <_ben> I did but I can't find it (I'm hopeless)
[06:28] <Furic> c0rrupt_: Its a command line program that coppies files in to other files, you can also use it to copy to/from devices in /dev/
[06:28] <hater2win> hmm
[06:29] <raju> Hey, could someone help me with modprobe?  I did modprobe lirc_i2c, it says module not found
[06:29] <Furic> c0rrupt_: for example, the device representing a partition on your hard drive...
[06:30] <_ben> how do you run a program you compiled?
[06:30] <_ben> terminal?
[06:30] <c0rrupt_> i see furic
[06:30] <c0rrupt_> like
[06:30] <c0rrupt_> dd /dev/hdc /dev/hda5
[06:30] <Furic> Nooo.
[06:30] <Furic> look up man, it has weird syntax
[06:31] <Dhraakellian> y'know, I think gtk/gnome's file dialog is even worse than it used to be in some ways
[06:31] <Furic> But then, you have to wonder, what will your bios think when it finds a cd on your hard drive? :P
[06:31] <Dhraakellian> is there any way to get azureus and Firefox to use something else?
[06:31] <raju> So could someone help me out?
[06:31] <_ben> I was just trying to learn to compile but every web site is just about the kernel
[06:31] <Furic> I guess they are both ide devices, it might not mind.
[06:31] <hater2win> raju: i have no clue what modprobe is
[06:31] <_ben> ok thx agian
[06:32] <Furic> I think this is a horrible idea. :P
[06:32] <c0rrupt_> LOL
[06:32] <c0rrupt_> yea
[06:32] <c0rrupt_> people in #linux think im crazy now
[06:33] <Furic> Hehe.
[06:37] <c0rrupt_> .kick dell500
[06:37] <c0rrupt_> ew
[06:40] <hater2win> how do i uninstall gaim
[06:40] <hater2win> ?
[06:41] <Furic> use synaptic
[06:41] <hater2win> i wonder if uninstalling, then doing sudo apt-det update gaim
[06:41] <hater2win> BEFORE doing install
[06:41] <hater2win> would update it to 1.4.0
[06:41] <_ben> how do I run a file that I compiled myself?
[06:41] <Furic> have you done "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade"?
[06:42] <Furic> Ben1842: you type the file's name in to a console, and press enter.
[06:42] <Ben1842> I can't figure out what name it gave it
[06:42] <Ben1842> and is there a way to add it to the gui?
[06:42] <Furic> Then figure that out first
[06:42] <Furic> yes, run kmenuedit
[06:42] <Furic> and add it with that
[06:43] <Ben1842> I had a live CD and it had a games menu
[06:43] <Ben1842> but my installed version doesn't
[06:43] <Ben1842> well I have no idea how to find the file
[06:43] <Furic> My copy of kubuntu has a games menu
[06:43] <Furic> maybe you just need to install some games
[06:43] <Ben1842> I'm trying  lol
[06:44] <Ben1842> Kbilliards actualy
[06:44] <Furic> You compiled kbilliards?
[06:44] <Ben1842> just to learn to compile
[06:44] <Furic> Thats bad.
[06:44] <Furic> use apt-get
[06:44] <Furic> whenever possible
[06:44] <Ben1842> it was sorce from kde-apps
[06:44] <Furic> Otherwise you will mess up your system
[06:44] <Ben1842> I know but I wanted to learn to compile too
[06:45] <Ben1842> so I could do programs and themes that require it
[06:45] <Furic> Just install it with apt, ok?
[06:45] <Furic> Learn that if you need to, you dont need to yet
[06:45] <Ben1842> ok I'll try that
[06:45] <Furic> i have never had to compile anything in kubuntu.
[06:45] <Ben1842> you can't really do the themes from KDE look without it
[06:45] <Ben1842> I can do Icons but not themes
[06:46] <Ben1842> oh well thanks alot
[06:46] <Ben1842> it was worth a try
[06:46] <Furic> A fair few themes are in apt
[06:46] <hater2win> im using the firefox installer, but, its not letting me run it with privelages. how do i run it as root?
[06:46] <Furic> and icon librarys too
[06:46] <Ben1842> how do I find them in apt though
[06:46] <Ben1842> you need like the specific name of them
[06:46] <foodcoman> What multimedia player is the prefered especially for opening from Web browsers?
[06:47] <Ben1842> I like Mplayer
[06:47] <Furic> hater2win: type alt+f2, then type kdesu, a space, and drag the firefox installer app from konqueror in to the text box after what you have just written, then enter, it will ask for password, put it in and your done
[06:47] <Furic> Ben: Use synaptic
[06:48] <Ben1842> ok thx alot      I'm still gonna learn to compile   lol
[06:48] <Ben1842> I just want to
[06:48] <Ben1842> maybe after I have been using linux for more than 3 days would be a better time   lol
[06:48] <Ben1842> thx soo much
[06:49] <Furic> Ben1842: Well, my advice is keep your kubuntu install cd close by, because you will want to reinstall your entire system sooner of later when it becomes unusably messed up
[06:49] <Ben1842> I'll try it the easy way now  lol
[06:49] <Ben1842> LOL I'll keep that in mind
[06:49] <Ben1842> thx agian
[06:49] <Furic> I'm not kidding
[06:49] <Ben1842> I know your not
[06:49] <Ben1842> I just wanna learn
[06:50] <Ben1842> gotta get your hands dirty to learn
[06:50] <Furic> The binaries in apt are not the same as the ones you make when you compile, the ones in apt are tested and fixed up to work perfectly with the system
[06:50] <Ben1842> I know
[06:50] <foodcoman> Ben1842:  Have any idea what repositories I need for the dependencies?
[06:50] <abinadid> hey guys i just installed my nvidia drivers no how do i enable this drivers i want to change my screen resolution
[06:50] <Ben1842> just wanted to try it
[06:51] <hater2win> Furic: its telling me the file couldnt be found
[06:51] <Furic> Which file?
[06:51] <Ben1842> foodcoman: think if you check the unofficial ubuntu guide    it has the text to add to it
[06:51] <abinadid>  Identifier "ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon 7500 (RV200 QW)"
[06:51] <abinadid>  Driver  "ati"
[06:51] <abinadid> 
[06:51] <hater2win> Command 'file:///home/hater2win/downloads/firefox-1.0.6.installer/firefox-installer/firefox-installer' not found.
[06:52] <hater2win> i tried i tried taking out
[06:52] <hater2win> file://
[06:52] <hater2win> and just having
[06:52] <Furic> ok, do it again, remove the "file://" bit
[06:52] <Ben1842> did you say nvidia drivers  and an ATI card?
[06:52] <hater2win> home/whatever stuff
[06:52] <abinadid> any ideas
[06:52] <hater2win> but it didnt do anything
[06:52] <Furic> no, needs the first /
[06:52] <Furic> so, '/home/hater2win/downloads/firefox-1.0.6.installer/firefox-installer/firefox-installer'
[06:52] <c0rrupt_> yes
[06:52] <hater2win> hmm
[06:52] <hater2win> i tried that before
[06:53] <hater2win> and it didnt work
[06:53] <hater2win> and now its working
[06:53] <hater2win> wtf
[06:53] <hater2win> lol
[06:53] <hater2win> do i install things like firefox to /etc
[06:53] <hater2win> ???
[06:53] <hater2win> or where do you all reccomend?
[06:53] <c0rrupt_> chocolate
[06:54] <c0rrupt_> it always works
[06:54] <Furic> I tend to use /opt/appname/
[06:55] <hater2win> kk, thnx
[06:59] <hater2win> whats the config file to edit the mount points?
[06:59] <c0rrupt_> ??
[06:59] <c0rrupt_> nvm
[06:59] <c0rrupt_> wrong b0x
[06:59] <hater2win> lol
[07:03] <hater2win> nvm, i remember
[07:03] <hater2win> lol
[07:03] <hater2win> fstab
[07:03] <hater2win> im a jack ass
[07:03] <hater2win> i mounted 2 HDS in the /media/ntfs folder
[07:03] <hater2win> and didnt realize why 1 of them wasn't showing up
[07:03] <hater2win> lol
[07:04] <benjamin1254> i think i have been on this irc chat room for like 20 hrs
[07:04] <c0rrupt_> ...
[07:04] <c0rrupt_> mirc//
[07:11] <Ben1842> does anyone know how to run Zsnes?    I don't see it in my menus
[07:12] <Ben1842> nm I figured it out  lol
[07:12] <Ben1842> does anyone know how to add it to the K bar?
[07:20] <hater2win> is there a keyboard command for procees?
[07:20] <hater2win> processes?
[07:20] <hater2win> lol i messed that on all up
[07:20] <shogouki> ?
[07:23] <hater2win> ok so i just isntalled firefox, how do i add it to the bar?
[07:23] <hater2win> it doesnt even have an icon
[07:27] <_lexhider> hater2win: are you sure that firefox isn't in the applications menu?
[07:27] <hater2win> nope, not showing up
[07:28] <hater2win> i installed it to opt
[07:28] <hater2win> should i have installed its omewhere else?
[07:28] <_lexhider> hater2win: are you running hoary?
[07:28] <hater2win> yes
[07:29] <_lexhider> ok, you didn't need to install it that way. The preferred way is to install the version from the kubuntu archives
[07:29] <_lexhider> this can be done via the command
[07:29] <_lexhider> sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[07:29] <hater2win> hmm i see
[07:29] <hater2win> so how do i uninstall?
[07:30] <_lexhider> not sure, someone else may be able to help you out.
[07:31] <hater2win> is sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox going to install the latest or is it behind like the rest of the apt-get packages?
[07:31] <_lexhider> 1.0.6
[07:33] <_lexhider> hater2win: a good way to find info like that is at distrowatch.com
[07:33] <hater2win> alright, cool, thanks
[07:34] <hater2win> mleh sleep time, night man, thnks for the help
[07:35] <Kaiser_away> missed him :S
[07:35] <Kaiser_away> night hater2win :(
[07:40] <donofrio> need some assistance with a x86 load....
[07:41] <donofrio> getting a non bootable dell notebook.....says /bin/sh: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory
[07:41] <donofrio> kernel panic on boot?
[07:44] <donofrio> loaded first 30 min on newer dell cpi 366 notebook - moved hard drive to noncd bootable dell xpicd 166 and now it doesn't finish booting?
[07:45] <donofrio> thoughts?
[07:46] <donofrio> anyone awake?
[07:49] <_lexhider> no idea, try asking in #ubuntu, because the base systems are the same between kubuntu & ubuntu.
[07:53] <_lexhider> if you don't find any help there, I'd suggest asking in the mailing lists or forums
[07:54] <donofrio> they not helpin....
[07:55] <_lexhider> if you don't find any help there, I'd suggest asking in the mailing lists or forums
[07:56] <Tranquitos> wow, ping timeout at 14400 seconds... that's weird... 4 hours!
[07:57] <cooljoe_> :)
[08:30] <charlie> is there a way to make a user have root privlages?
[08:30] <sproingie> put them in /etc/sudoers
[08:31] <sproingie> there should be a line for your existing account, just use that for the other user
[08:31] <sproingie> just change the name
[08:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> add them to %admin
[08:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> in Warty (there was no kubuntu) you added per user, now in Hoary it's anyone in the admin group
[08:47] <Burkey> Hi all!
[08:48] <Tranquitos> hi Burkey 
[08:48] <Burkey> Can anyone here help with some Kubuntu on an amd64 and cedega questions?
[08:49] <Burkey> or even specifically nvidia and xrender on this..
[08:49] <Tranquitos> i never used cedega, and i have an athlon xp... so i think i will not be helpful 
[08:49] <Burkey> do you have an nVida by chance?
[08:50] <Ben1842> does anyone how to find a file that knypatic installed?
[08:50] <Tranquitos> i had one some time ago, but on an older pc
[08:51] <Burkey> what file was installed Ben?
[08:51] <Ben1842> I installed beneath a steel sky
[08:51] <Ben1842> I got scumm to work but I have to find the file to run it
[08:51] <Tranquitos> as long as i remember, you had to download the drivers from nvidia.com and install them... on slackware it was easy, ununtu did not exist still
[08:51] <Burkey> oh.. I am going blind but I would start searching in /usr
[08:52] <Burkey> I just apt-got nvidia-glx and it was all good, but no xrender
[08:52] <Tranquitos> dpkg -l package_name
[08:52] <Ben1842> ok I got it
[08:53] <Ben1842> it was sky
[08:53] <Ben1842> thx alot
[08:53] <Tranquitos> sorry, it was -L
[08:53] <Burkey> hehe, wel he found it so all good
[08:53] <Tranquitos> yes, that was the point, after all :)
[08:54] <_andy> does anybody know of a good guide to installing programs on KDE?
[08:54] <Burkey> so your on kubuntu now right? but what video?
[08:54] <Burkey> man apt-get
[08:54] <Burkey> or use kynaptic
[08:54] <Tranquitos> Burkey: the motherboard's onboard video vard... i think it's an S3
[08:55] <Burkey> KDE does not really have any specific "install" instructions really
[08:55] <Burkey> Tranquitos do you mind checking if you have xrender loaded?
[08:55] <_andy> when i download stuff for linux, i always get these .gz files
[08:55] <_andy> how do i install from those?
[08:55] <Burkey> depends on the file
[08:55] <Burkey> but you need to extractit and read the README or INSTALL in it
[08:55] <Tranquitos> Burkey: how am i supposed to do that?
[08:56] <charlie> how do i edit user privlages?
[08:56] <lexhider> .
[08:56] <Burkey> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep "xrender"
[08:56] <Tranquitos> ok, i'll do that, hold on a second...
[08:57] <Burkey> thanks.. charliejust open the kcontrol centre
[08:57] <Burkey> there is a user editor in there
[08:57] <Tranquitos> Burkey: nope, no xrender in there
[08:57] <_andy> when i install something with kynaptic, where does it end up?
[08:57] <Burkey> does anyone here have an nVidia card?
[08:58] <charlie> i do
[08:58] <Burkey> thanks Tranquitos, so it returns nothing at all?
[08:58] <Tranquitos> just the prompt... hehe
[08:58] <Burkey> charlie, do you have xrender loading ok?
[08:58] <Burkey> bugger, means your xorg is not using it too
[08:58] <_andy> does anybody know where programs i install with kynaptic end up?
[08:58] <charlie> idk i have a geforce 6800
[08:58] <charlie> how do i find out?
[08:59] <Tranquitos> _andy: depends on the program
[08:59] <_andy> i installed vnc4-common
[08:59] <_andy> and it didn't show up in the k menu?
[08:59] <Burkey> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep "xrender"
[08:59] <_andy> where do i go to look for it?
[09:00] <Burkey> dpkg -L vnc
[09:00] <Tranquitos> hehe, that's it Burkey ;)
[09:00] <charlie> um i go into login manager and i go into administrator mode and  it rejects the root password
[09:00] <Burkey> ;-)
[09:00] <Tranquitos> charlie: it's not root's password... it's your password
[09:01] <charlie> for login manager?
[09:01] <_andy> when i typed in dpkg -L vnc4-common, i got a list of file and directories...
[09:01] <Burkey> go to system->KUser
[09:01] <Burkey> _andy, those are where it is
[09:01] <_andy> to launch the program, what file do i look for?
[09:01] <Burkey> type vnc<tab>
[09:02] <_andy> makes a beeping noise when i type vnc<tab>
[09:02] <Burkey> press tab twice
[09:02] <Burkey> it will list your options
[09:03] <_andy> allright, i got 2 options
[09:03] <_andy> do i type one of them in?
[09:03] <Burkey> most likely, depends what you want to achieve
[09:04] <Tranquitos> i think so... but you should see what does that command do... 
[09:04] <Burkey> so, anyone got any help on xrender on my nVidia 600U ?
[09:05] <Burkey> or, does anyone know if there is an irc channel for cedega?
[09:06] <Tranquitos> what is cedega?
[09:07] <Burkey> hehe, Cedega is winex
[09:07] <charlie> does anyone here use karamba?
[09:07] <Tranquitos> ahh, is it a new program, or just the same with another name? hehe
[09:08] <Burkey> Sorry, dont use Karamba
[09:08] <Burkey> WineX is the pay-per-month version of wine from Transgaming
[09:08] <Burkey> sort of wine for gamers
[09:09] <Tranquitos> yes, i've heard about that one, but not about cedega
[09:09] <Tranquitos> i don't know why, but the name reminds me of DOS :O
[09:10] <Burkey> ahh, Cedega is the new name for WineX
[09:10] <Burkey> Cedega is actually a type of grape :-$
[09:12] <Tranquitos> hahaha, what does that has to do with an emulator?
[09:12] <Tranquitos> mmm... until i got it... nevermind... hehe
[09:12] <Burkey> nothing.. so beats me why they chose that name
[09:13] <Tranquitos> because is based on Wine...
[09:13] <Tranquitos> i guess... 
[09:15] <cooljoe> play KFoulEggs its free its fun its number one
[09:16] <Tranquitos> yeah, definitely! :)
[09:17] <cooljoe> have you played KFoulEggs?
[09:17] <Tranquitos> yes... some time ago i got "addict" to that game  
[09:17] <Tranquitos> but then i changed addictions...
[09:17] <Tranquitos> and stopped playing.. hehe
[09:18] <cooljoe> heheehheheh
[09:18] <cooljoe> I play KFoulEggs I like it very much
[09:18] <cooljoe> I become master champion 
[09:18] <Tranquitos> there was also another good kdegame
[09:19] <Tranquitos> i don't remember its name...
[09:19] <cooljoe> you tell us
[09:19] <Tranquitos> was about removing blocks of the same colour.. the goal was to clear the screen
[09:19] <cooljoe> I try lot of KDE games
[09:21] <milksteak> charlie, I use karamba
[09:21] <Tranquitos> do you remember that one?
[09:21] <_ray> what is karamba
[09:21] <_ray> ?
[09:23] <_andy> is that a graphical ftp client in kubuntu?
[09:26] <lexhider> no
[09:27] <_andy> is there a graphical ftp client for kubuntu?
[09:27] <_andy> i meant there, not that....
[09:27] <Tranquitos> _andy: you can use konqueror
[09:28] <_andy> that isn't like a real ftp client....
[09:28] <_andy> it doesnt have stuff like queue
[09:29] <lexhider> _andy: not that I'm aware of. konqueror can handle ftp effortlessly though, give it a try.
[09:30] <Tranquitos> _andy: i use gftp for that, but for small transfers, i still prefer konqueror
[09:33] <lexhider> _andy: I've never used it before, but a quick google search came up with  a program called kbear. It's in the kubuntu archives if you want to give it a try.
[09:33] <lexhider> http://kbear.sourceforge.net/
[09:35] <Tranquitos> anyone knows how to make apt-get tell if a certain package is in the current repositories, without installing it?
[09:35] <Tranquitos> or, better, how can i know if there is any package whose name matches a regexp?
[09:36] <lexhider> Tranquitos: aptitude is the answer
[09:36] <Tranquitos> i thought so... 
[09:36] <Tranquitos> so apt-get can't list that.
[09:36] <lexhider> ^kde- finds package starting with kde-
[09:37] <lexhider> ~d for description search, ~V for version, etc
[09:37] <Tranquitos> good, maybe i'll check that... hehe... thanks
[09:37] <lexhider> Tranquitos: I don't know, I just know that my personal preference is for aptitude.
[09:38] <lexhider> you can also use it in place of apt-get, e.g. apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, or, aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[09:38] <lexhider> Tranquitos: e.g. find kde ftp client, search for "~dkde~dftp"
[09:38] <Tranquitos> yeah, that's the good part of free software... there are a lot of programs to choose from :)
[09:39] <lexhider> you can also do all that stuff I just said from the command line.
[09:39] <Tranquitos> you mean something like aptitude install "~dkde~dftp"?
[09:40] <lexhider> aptitude search "~dkde~dftp", but I normally do it from within the program.
[09:41] <Tranquitos> i just installed it... i'll start to RTFM :) hehehe
[09:42] <lexhider> from inside aptitude, f10, h,m for the user manual.
[09:44] <Tranquitos> thanks :) i'm reading right now 
[09:46] <_andy> okay, i really really need to know how to install tar.bz files
[09:46] <_andy> can anybody teach me how?
[09:46] <coolblue> yup sure:)
[09:46] <coolblue> its tar.bz2 btw
[09:47] <_andy> allright, so say i downloaded a tar.gz file and i have it sitting on my desktop, how do i install?
[09:47] <Choubaka> the extension doesn't really matter :/
[09:47] <Choubaka> _andy: they're not installable
[09:47] <Choubaka> you can only decompress them
[09:47] <_andy> okay, so i use ark and decompress them...
[09:47] <_andy> where do i decompress them to?
[09:48] <Choubaka> where ever.
[09:48] <_andy> how to i launch the applications contained within?
[09:48] <coolblue> anywhere u want...in ur home preferably
[09:48] <Choubaka> probably from the command line
[09:48] <coolblue> ypu
[09:48] <Choubaka> look for any READMEs
[09:48] <coolblue> let me give u a wonderful link.........
[09:48] <Choubaka> _andy: what does this package contain anyway?
[09:49] <_andy> flash plugin from the macromedia site
[09:49] <Choubaka> ahh
[09:49] <Tranquitos> but... why don't you install it right from firefox?
[09:49] <Choubaka> there's an easier way to install that.
[09:49] <Choubaka> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree should do the trick
[09:50] <Choubaka> and hmm, you probably need the extra repos enabled.
[09:50] <Choubaka> And Tranquitos' suggestion works too, even if only on per-user basis.
[09:51] <_andy> okay, i got a message that says it couldn't find the flashplugin-nonfree package....
[09:52] <Tranquitos> then you'll have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:52] <Tranquitos> and uncomment some lines there
[09:52] <_andy> i did that earlier today....
[09:52] <_andy> uncemented all the lines there...
[09:53] <Tranquitos> (btw, i think i'm getting lazier... instead of writing "/etc" i typed "/e<tab>"...)
[09:53] <Tranquitos> have you done an "apt-get update", _andy ?
[09:54] <_andy> yea, i did that earlier too
[09:55] <Tranquitos> mm... i don't know what is the repository that Choubaka mentioned
[09:56] <coolblue> this is the BEST tutorial on compiling from source http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/softinstall.html check it out Andy?
[09:56] <_andy> thanks for the link
[09:56] <_andy> that's what i was looking for
[09:56] <Tranquitos> coolblue: what does it has to do with flash plugin? hehe
[09:57] <_andy> it was my original question....
[09:57] <_andy> its actually useful cause it covers more that just flash
[09:58] <Tranquitos> ok, sorry, i did not read your original question, i thought you were trying to install just flash.
[09:58] <Tranquitos> now i understand everything :) hehe
[10:00] <_andy> allright, i think i'm going to sleep now, the first day of linux was quite tiring...
[10:03] <guillermo> wow... how much time to recover my nickname? hehe
[10:03] <guillermo> i am Tranquitos... 
[10:45] <loupgaroublond> is there somewhere i can find bluecurve packages for kubuntu?
[11:02] <Almindor> kynaptic fails to install stuff which requires input
[11:03] <Almindor> firebird2 server for example (asks for password)
[12:02] <iuliux> where dows scrot keeps the screenshots?
[12:02] <iuliux> *does
[12:05] <brk3> hi.. will there not be another build of amarok until the official realease of 1.3? Ive been waiting so long and the beta3 just looks so good
[12:06] <brk3> anyone consider making a package or who does it
[12:06] <nikkia> brk3: i wouldn't hold your breath
[12:06] <buz> most likely doing your self is needed there
[12:06] <nikkia> brk3: in the past something like that would have been in backports, but the new backports strategy means that since amarok is in the main repository, it doesn't go in backports
[12:06] <buz> aside of kde itself, i see little chances for updates inbetween releases
[12:08] <nikkia> buz, its a shame too, most of kde extragear is a very rapidly moving target
[12:08] <buz> yes it's a shame
[12:08] <buz> but someone would have to do it guess
[12:08] <buz> same goes for firefox and oo2, btw
[12:08] <nikkia> buz, in the past, the backports people did
[12:08] <nikkia> but as i said, new policy means it won't happen
[12:08] <brk3> nikkia: backports? i mean update
[12:09] <buz> debian backports?
[12:09] <nikkia> buz, no, the ubuntu backports
[12:09] <nikkia> buz, ie, http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[12:09] <buz> mhh and now they don't do that anymore?
[12:09] <brk3> its just i cant get the kde includes to compile cause i only have dialups
[12:09] <brk3> *dialup
[12:10] <nikkia> buz, they changed policy a few weeks ago, not to package stuff that's in the base [k] ubuntu repositories, iirc
[12:10] <brk3> did they ever make a kubuntu addon cd like the ubuntu one
[12:10] <nikkia> buz, so since amarok is in the repos. it won't get backported
[12:10] <nikkia> buz, seemed to go against the whole point of the backports IMO, but who am i to say what happens
[12:11] <buz> kinda stupid
[12:11] <buz> what's gonna be backported then
[12:12] <nikkia> buz, beats ms
[12:12] <nikkia> beats me, even
[12:12] <buz> maybe bleeding edge stuff
[12:12] <buz> perhaps xgl is in there
[12:14] <nikkia> buz, doesn't really affect me anymore, i'm running stuff so bleeding edge, i cut my fingers when i log in :P
[12:14] <buz> rotfl
[12:14] <nikkia> gimp 2.3, gutenprint, etc
[12:16] <nikkia> jebus, thats a bit premature 'win tickets to wimbledon 2006'
[12:20] <jean> hello
[12:21] <jean> anyone here?
[12:24] <buz> anyone got more recent wine debs than the ones in the reps?
[12:25] <brk3> the reps are out of date :(
[12:25] <buz> i know
[12:25] <_eric> can someone help me install support for wmv/streaming wmv? and other streaming formats?
[12:25] <buz> they'll get updated in fall
[12:27] <_eric> hello? can anyone help?
[12:32] <brk3> stay in or stay out :p
[12:33] <brk3> too many log messages
[01:55] <Phantom^^> hey can anyone tell me how i can increase my resolution in kde ? in configure desktop it only goes up to 1024 x 768 but i want to get it set to 1280 by 1024 ?
[01:55] <incinerator> depending on your gfx card and monitor that may not be possible....
[01:56] <incinerator> normally the x server chooses the highest resolution it can display on your gfx/monitor setup
[01:56] <incinerator> I'd try setting the horizontal frequency manually in xorg.conf
[01:57] <incinerator> and restart the x11 server, of course
[01:57] <PieD> incinerator: I think Phantom^^ is a beginner !
[01:57] <incinerator> beginners? in irc? woot ;-)
[01:58] <incinerator> he doesn't seem to listen anyway....
[01:58] <Phantom^^> sorry
[01:58] <Phantom^^> yeah know i am here
[01:58] <incinerator> ah ok
[01:58] <incinerator> so
[01:58] <incinerator> sudo editor /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:58] <Phantom^^> yeah i am a begginer eeek i think i managed to install the nvidia drivers using apt
[01:59] <incinerator> look for Section "Monitor"
[01:59] <incinerator> found it?
[01:59] <Phantom^^> its prolly cos i selected 1024 x 768 when i installed kubuntu
[01:59] <Phantom^^> ok
[01:59] <Phantom^^> will do
[01:59] <incinerator> oh, that's a different thing then
[02:00] <incinerator> check Section "Screen"
[02:00] <incinerator> There are several Depth text lines immediately followed by Modes with resolutuin figures like "1280x1024" "1024x768" etc....
[02:01] <incinerator> if the mode "1280x1024" are not there, simply add them in front of the other figures
[02:02] <Phantom^^> ok first i got this is monitor
[02:02] <Phantom^^> ection "Monitor"
[02:02] <Phantom^^> 	Identifier	"Generic Monitor"
[02:02] <Phantom^^> 	Option		"DPMS"
[02:02] <Phantom^^> 	HorizSync	28-49
[02:02] <Phantom^^> 	VertRefresh	43-72
[02:02] <incinerator> hmmm, i doubt this monitor will be able to display 1280x1024
[02:02] <incinerator> 1280x1024 at 85 hertz nees HorizSync of 91
[02:03] <Phantom^^> yeah thats the thing its not the generic monitor how can i change x to think i have a Ilyama prolite 431 s
[02:03] <incinerator> check your monitor manual and correct these figures accordingly
[02:03] <Phantom^^> ok
[02:03] <incinerator> no need to, just adjust the figures manually
[02:03] <Phantom^^> yeah the thing after that that said device
[02:03] <Phantom^^> i eman
[02:03] <Phantom^^> screen
[02:03] <incinerator> odd, though, my kubuntu install never asked me what resolution i wanted to run
[02:04] <incinerator> brb, fag
[02:04] <Phantom^^> ok in "screen" i have a series of colour depth sub sections with a load of reolutions next to each of them
[02:04] <Phantom^^> the highest is 1024 x 768
[02:07] <incinerator> then add "1280x1024" in front of it
[02:07] <incinerator> do that for all modes there....
[02:13] <incinerator> after that these lines should like like: "1280x1024" "1024x768" etc.
[02:13] <incinerator> plus the Modes keyword in front of it, of course
[02:19] <incinerator> Phantom^^, still there?
[02:26] <Phantom^^> yeah sorry
[02:26] <Phantom^^> i jsut went to maek soem lunch
[02:26] <incinerator> lol
[02:27] <Phantom^^> ok ill add those thingys
[02:27] <Phantom^^> thisng is 
[02:27] <incinerator> well, anyways, if you have adjusted the monitor and screen settings...
[02:27] <Phantom^^> how do i become root so i can edit that text file its read only
[02:27] <incinerator> ...log out of kde and do a three finger salute, that will start the x server
[02:27] <incinerator> sudo
[02:28] <Phantom^^> yeah i typed sudo gedit blah blah blah
[02:28] <Phantom^^> and it crashes
[02:28] <incinerator> gedit?
[02:28] <incinerator> this is the kubuntu channel dude
[02:28] <incinerator> no gedit
[02:28] <Phantom^^> ok
[02:28] <incinerator> kedit
[02:28] <Phantom^^> well
[02:28] <Phantom^^> pretend i used kate
[02:29] <incinerator> whatever
[02:29] <nikkia> Phantom^^: please don't suggest people use sudo  with gui text editors
[02:29] <Phantom^^> ahhh 
[02:29] <nikkia> Phantom^^: it makes a mess of various kde runtime directories, kdesu is the solution
[02:29] <Phantom^^> ok how do i make it so i cna edit the text file them
[02:29] <nikkia> erm, incinerator even
[02:29] <Phantom^^> ok
[02:29] <nikkia> Phantom^^: kdesu kate [filename] 
[02:30] <Phantom^^> thanks :)
[02:30] <incinerator> dunnow about kdesu, i always use jed for the smaller things anyways
[02:30] <incinerator> oh btw, bug report: xemacs21 doesn't come with a desktop file....
[02:31] <nikkia> sudo'ing kde gui text editors messes up /tmp/kde-*  and possibly the .ICE authority directories, its a really bad move
[02:31] <Phantom^^> yeah i tried it a few times
[02:31] <Phantom^^> but it has never worked
[02:32] <Phantom^^> jsut kept getting errors
[02:32] <nikkia> Phantom^^: you're lucky :)
[02:32] <Phantom^^> phew :)
[02:32] <incinerator> well, anyways, I'll be off shopping, then lunch, be back in a couple of hours, depending on what's on the tele
[02:32] <nikkia> Phantom^^: if it had run, and messed up your .ICE-authority directory, it can be a pain for someone that doesn't know how to fix it :)
[02:32] <nikkia> incinerator: not much, by the looks of it
[02:32] <Phantom^^> right once i have got this gc settings sorted i'll try doo 3 then back to my thermodynamics studying
[02:33] <Phantom^^> hehe
[02:33] <Phantom^^> ve decided i like this more than windows xp
[02:33] <Phantom^^> now i jsut have to learn
[02:33] <incinerator> i have telewest cable, surely there ill be an episode of 'Allo 'Allo that's just on ;-)
[02:33] <nikkia> Phantom^^: generally, linux is better than xp, the problem is when you come to need to run something that has no equivalent and doesn't run under wine/cedega :/
[02:34] <nikkia> incinerator: didn't see anything exciting anywhere on sky
[02:34] <Phantom^^> yeah like a few of my old mirc scripts
[02:34] <nikkia> incinerator: not without paying for a movie, anyway
[02:34] <Phantom^^> i guess i'll have to learn to make my own for xchat or bitchx
[02:34] <nikkia> Phantom^^: those probably have an equivalent
[02:34] <nikkia> Phantom^^: kvirc and xchat are both very scriptable
[02:35] <Phantom^^> yeah i guess i'll have to look a bit more nikkia
[02:35] <Phantom^^> ok right i added those new modes under screen
[02:35] <Phantom^^> time to save and and reboot
[02:35] <Phantom^^> the xserver
[02:35] <nikkia> no reboot
[02:35] <nikkia> ah
[02:35] <nikkia> yeah, ctrl-alt-backspace should do it :)
[02:35] <Phantom^^> after i logout ?
[02:35] <nikkia> if you wish
[02:36] <nikkia> logging out only saves your session
[02:36] <nikkia> if you don't care about that, you can just hit the keys anytime :)
[02:36] <Phantom^^> ahh so i can try it now
[02:36] <Phantom^^> one last question what do i do if i can't see anything ?
[02:36] <Phantom^^> if everything messes up ?
[02:36] <nikkia> if everything really messes up, you should get a console login prompt
[02:37] <Phantom^^> ok
[02:37] <nikkia> you'll just have to use a non-GUI text editor from there to fix things
[02:37] <Phantom^^> i see
[02:37] <Phantom^^> or i could just replace the xorg.conf with the backup i made :D
[02:37] <nikkia> if all you've done is add modes, it shouldn't mess up, worst case is the modes get disabled by X
[02:37] <nikkia> yeah, or that
[02:37] <Phantom^^> k
[02:37] <Phantom^^> wish me luck
[02:38] <nikkia> hmmm, this album is growing on me :|
[02:39] <nikkia> it worked then ?
[02:39] <Phantom^^> well i can still see
[02:39] <Phantom^^> but it still won't let me 
[02:39] <nikkia> ah
[02:39] <Phantom^^> change up to 1280 X 1024 in the configure desktop settings
[02:40] <Phantom^^> is there another place i can set my current res ?
[02:40] <nikkia> its possible that your monitor is reporting lies via EDID
[02:40] <nikkia> or your selected X driver just doesn't support 1280x1024 *shrug*
[02:40] <Phantom^^> interesting in configure desktop it says Screen 1
[02:41] <nikkia> i've seen the fb & vesa drivers limit to 1024x768 on hw capable of more (i suspect the vesa implementation is limited)
[02:41] <nikkia> and if you're using fb, then it'll be limited to whatever the fb starts up as on boot
[02:42] <Phantom^^> hmm nikkia i thought i had installed the nvidia drivers last night
[02:42] <Phantom^^> i mean theres loads nvidia stuff in xorg.con
[02:42] <nikkia> phantom, check that your driver is set to nvidia in the xorg config
[02:42] <nikkia> if it is, you might want to turn off EDID and see if that fixes it
[02:42] <nikkia> iirc, the nvidia driver install automatically puts in a commented out EDID configuration line
[02:43] <Phantom^^> hmm where do i see if the nvidia driver is set in xorg.conf
[02:43] <Phantom^^> what line is it ?
[02:43] <nikkia> i have a 23" LCD here that only reports 640x480 via EDID, so i have to disable EDID when i want to use that LCD
[02:43] <Phantom^^> ok
[02:43] <nikkia> well, the line you want in there, is in the Device section, and should be 'Option     "IgnoreEDID" "true"'
[02:44] <nikkia> as i said, i think nvidia's installer puts in that line, but commented out
[02:44] <nikkia> if not, you'll want to add it
[02:44] <nikkia> its not a guarentee it'll fix it, but lots of monitors do lie
[02:45] <Phantom^^> hmm can i manually set my desktop res in xorg.conf ?
[02:45] <nikkia> Phantom^^: only via the Modes lines, really
[02:46] <Phantom^^> nikkia how can i tell if kde is actually using the nvidia driver?
[02:47] <Phantom^^> is it possible that i installed it but its jsut not being used and its sticking the the generic vesa ?
[02:47] <nikkia> Phantom^^: xdpyinfo can give you clues
[02:47] <nikkia> ie, if NV-CONTROL/NV-GLX are listed in the extensions list
[02:48] <Phantom^^> yeah they are
[02:48] <Phantom^^> but i have seen something
[02:49] <Phantom^^> it says screen 0 in that file
[02:49] <mara13> hiya
[02:49] <Phantom^^> but in the gui contorl centrer
[02:49] <Phantom^^> it says screen 1
[02:49] <mara13> is there any repository with superkaramba for kubuntu?
[02:49] <Phantom^^> it also does not say 1280 x 1024 in that fiel either
[02:49] <Phantom^^> it says 1024 x 768
[02:49] <rikva> Hi! I'm trying to install Kubuntu on my brand new Acer notebook (2313). The problem is that I don't see the bottom of the setup and console text , it's just cut off. Any suggestions?
[02:50] <nikkia> Phantom^^: hmmm
[02:50] <nikkia> Phantom^^: that's just a numbering difference between X and KDE i think
[02:50] <nikkia> X uses 0 as the first display, KDE starts at 1
[02:50] <Phantom^^> ok
[02:50] <nikkia> the old programmer vs human numbering issue :)
[02:51] <Phantom^^> hmm
[02:51] <Phantom^^> this is an interesting problem
[02:51] <rikva> I can't use scrolllock either
[02:51] <nikkia> Phantom^^: try looking at the Xorg log file in /var/log
[02:51] <Phantom^^> ok
[02:51] <nikkia> Phantom^^: nvidia's driver usually tells you why its rejecting a mode
[02:52] <mara13> can someone tell me repository addresses where i could find superkaramba? cant believe it hasnt been compiled and released?
[02:52] <Phantom^^> hey nikkia what the name of the log viewer i can use
[02:52] <Phantom^^> i tried to use kate
[02:53] <Phantom^^> and nothing came up on hte screen
[02:53] <nikkia> Phantom^^: just use less from a console :)
[02:53] <Phantom^^> ok
[02:54] <Phantom^^> hmm well nothign major
[02:54] <Phantom^^> it seems to be mad that i dont have certain fonts
[02:54] <Phantom^^> but nothing about modes etc
[02:55] <nikkia> Phantom^^: can you paste all of it in a pastebin ?
[02:55] <Phantom^^> is there a kde config file where i can just tell it to use a given res
[02:55] <nikkia> !pastebin
[02:55] <ubotu> hmm... pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[02:55] <Phantom^^> ok
[02:56] <Phantom^^> shall i stick it in flood ?
[02:56] <nikkia> i'd prefer one of those 2 pastebin urls
[02:56] <Phantom^^> yeahi send it wiht php
[02:57] <Phantom^^> on the second url
[02:57] <Phantom^^> ok i think i pasted it ok
[02:57] <nikkia> that can't be all of it, is it ?
[02:58] <Phantom^^> lol
[02:58] <Phantom^^> yeah
[02:58] <Phantom^^> i forgot how less worked 
[02:58] <Phantom^^> you should have seen me try and install gentoo from stage 1
[02:58] <Phantom^^> i was out of my league
[02:58] <nikkia> an easier solution, might be to copy the file to /tmp and use kate
[02:58] <Phantom^^> i think i found something though
[02:58] <Phantom^^> about hoz refresh rates and modes
[02:59] <nikkia> that would do it
[02:59] <Phantom^^> how do i select
[02:59] <Phantom^^> all the log file at once to pasted it
[02:59] <nikkia> ?
[02:59] <nikkia> as i said, cp the file from /var/log to /tmp
[02:59] <nikkia> then use kate, to read it, select all, and copy
[03:00] <Phantom^^> ok
[03:00] <nikkia> there is a way to load an entire file to the clipboard from the command line, but i can never remember it
[03:02] <Phantom^^> ok
[03:03] <nikkia> yeah, your hsync is wrong
[03:04] <Phantom^^> ok how do i fix this ?
[03:04] <nikkia> try changing the second number in that line in xorg.conf to 85
[03:04] <nikkia> most modern monitors handle 85kHz hsync
[03:04] <Phantom^^> HorizSync 28-49
[03:04] <Phantom^^> to -85
[03:04] <nikkia> actually, you can just change it to the edid reported value
[03:05] <nikkia> perhaps even just comment out the hsync and vsync lines, i think that forces X to use the edid supplied values
[03:05] <nikkia> which in your case are 43-72 and 55-75
[03:05] <Phantom^^> ok  so what do i do ?
[03:05] <nikkia> up to you, you can comment those two lines out, and see if X picks up on the edid values, it should....
[03:05] <Phantom^^> ok
[03:05] <Phantom^^> so put # in front of them ?
[03:06] <nikkia> yeah
[03:06] <Phantom^^> and get rid of hte #
[03:06] <Phantom^^> i mean
[03:06] <Phantom^^> '
[03:06] <nikkia> if that doesn't work, uncomment them again, and change the hsync line to 28-85
[03:07] <Phantom^^> ok i'll try the ctrl alt bckspc again
[03:07] <nikkia> ok
[03:11] <Phantom^^> hmm
[03:11] <nikkia> didn't work ?
[03:11] <Phantom^^> ok well now i look at it says
[03:11] <Phantom^^> horx 28 -72
[03:11] <Phantom^^> and is commentd out
[03:12] <Phantom^^> but i still can't get the higher reses in kde
[03:13] <Phantom^^> i guess ill try and enter the vlaues manually
[03:13] <Phantom^^> or can i install my monitor
[03:13] <Phantom^^> like tell x what it is somehow
[03:15] <nikkia> Phantom^^: i'd try setting those values manually first
[03:16] <Phantom^^> ok
[03:16] <Phantom^^> what were the ranges
[03:16] <Phantom^^> now thats intresting it has changed them for me
[03:16] <Phantom^^> but they are commented out
[03:17] <Phantom^^> maybe if i uncomment them it wil lwork
[03:17] <nikkia> try it
[03:17] <Phantom^^> i also increase the vertical to 75
[03:17] <Phantom^^> cos i no this monitor can do 75 Hz
[03:17] <Phantom^^> vertical 
[03:20] <Phantom^^> ok good news is it has given me a better choise of refresh rates
[03:21] <Phantom^^> still not giving me all the supported resolutions
[03:21] <nikkia> that'd suggest that the hsync is too low
[03:21] <nikkia> try setting it to 85 or 92 or something
[03:21] <Phantom^^> ok
[03:21] <nikkia> btw, one thing...
[03:21] <Phantom^^> atm it looks like this
[03:21] <Phantom^^> Section "Monitor"
[03:21] <Phantom^^> 	Identifier	"Generic Monitor"
[03:21] <Phantom^^> 	Option		"DPMS"
[03:21] <Phantom^^> 	HorizSync	28-85
[03:21] <Phantom^^> 	VertRefresh	43-75
[03:21] <Phantom^^> EndSection
[03:22] <nikkia> if X starts up in a resolution that your monitor doesn't like, you should be able to change resolution with ctrl-alt-minus  (thats the minus on the keypad)
[03:22] <Phantom^^> ok
[03:22] <nxv__> are there any alternatives to kopete under kde?
[03:23] <othernoob> gaim?
[03:24] <AnHu> sim
[03:27] <PieD> psi
[03:27] <Phantom^^> ok nikkia i looked at the log again it still thinks i'm out of range
[03:28] <nikkia> Phantom^^: hmmm, did you disable EDID ?
[03:28] <Phantom^^> nope
[03:28] <Phantom^^> how do i do that again
[03:28] <nikkia> do that then :P
[03:28] <Phantom^^> whats the command ?
[03:28] <Phantom^^> i mean
[03:28] <nikkia> make sure that the device section has the line 'Option   "IgnoreEDID"  "true"'
[03:28] <Phantom^^> line and where do i put it in xorg.conf
[03:29] <Phantom^^> i would not being to know how to type this in, in the correct format
[03:29] <Phantom^^> how do i do those little ' like things at the start of the line
[03:30] <nikkia> you don't
[03:30] <nikkia> look at the device section, where the nvidia driver is defined, and copy the same syntax as another Option line
[03:30] <Phantom^^> ok
[03:30] <nikkia> but use the parameters "IgnoreEDID" and "true"
[03:30] <nikkia> and yes, the "s are required
[03:31] <Phantom^^> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
[03:31] <Phantom^^> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">

[03:31] <nikkia> erm
[03:31] <Phantom^^> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" />
[03:31] <nikkia> oh dear
[03:31] <Phantom^^> <meta name="Generator" content="Kate, the KDE Advanced Text Editor" />
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[03:31] <Phantom^^> ection "Device"
[03:31] <Phantom^^> 	Identifier	"NVIDIA Corporation NV40 [GeForce 6800 Ultra] "
[03:31] <Phantom^^> 	Driver		"nvidia"
[03:31] <Phantom^^> 	BusID		"PCI:1:0:0"
[03:31] <Phantom^^> 	IgnoreEDID	"true"</pre></body>

[03:32] <Phantom^^> oops
[03:32] <Phantom^^> sorry
[03:32] <Phantom^^> accident
[03:32] <ztonzy> hey
[03:32] <ztonzy> heh
[03:32] <ztonzy> what do we have pastebin for ?
[03:32] <Phantom^^> sorry
[03:33] <ztonzy> Phantom^^: maybe use pastebin :) ?
[03:34] <Phantom^^> :( eek
[03:57] <Linux_Galore> hmm quiet
[03:58] <Linux_Galore> ?? @ SSX
[03:59] <nikkia> Linux_Galore: its a snowboarding game
[04:01] <Linux_Galore> aaah
[04:02] <Linux_Galore> Im not a mad gamer
[04:02] <Linux_Galore> just looking at this wacked out KDE desktop -> http://www.kde-look.org/content/files/27386-mix.jpg
[04:03] <buz> is that plasma?
[04:03] <PieD> buz: no, it can't be plasma
[04:03] <buz> it looks a lot like those windows vista screenshots
[04:03] <Linux_Galore> no its a superkeramba theme
[04:03] <PieD> nobody can tell you how plasma will be
[04:03] <buz> PieD: it seems to be a mock up no
[04:04] <PieD> I really hope plasma won't be like this
[04:04] <Linux_Galore> the bottom right is CrystalWeather  plugin for karamba
[04:04] <PieD> and I forgot to mention : no traditionnal K menu in plasma
[04:04] <PieD> that picture is ...
[04:04] <PieD> depressing : everything's black
[04:04] <buz> GRRR
[04:04] <buz> the unrar in the repo
[04:04] <buz> is broken
[04:04] <Linux_Galore> well on laptops you dont want it bright
[04:04] <buz> wont open rars that work fine in winrar
[04:05] <Linux_Galore> makes the text hard to read when outside if everything is bright
[04:05] <Linux_Galore> buz: install  unrar
[04:05] <buz> i did
[04:06] <buz> i'm gonna try unrar-nonfree now
[04:06] <Linux_Galore> there is also another one called notrar
[04:06] <Linux_Galore> notrar I found is faster than unrar
[04:06] <buz> with unfree it works
[04:07] <Linux_Galore> yeah unrar is a proprietary one  notrar is the free one
[04:07] <buz> notrar not in rep
[04:07] <Linux_Galore> I have it on a cd ( I collect hard to find stuff )
[04:09] <penguinboy> Morning Geeks, Nerds, and Linux Gods
[04:09] <Linux_Galore> <-- is a penguinista
[04:09] <penguinboy> hey hey hey Linux_Galore 
[04:09] <Linux_Galore> ie Penguinistas carry gnuzies
[04:09] <penguinboy> lol
[04:09] <penguinboy> lol
[04:09] <penguinboy> lol
[04:09] <rikva> Hi, how can I activate the Universe repository? I tried to follow this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto but it doesn't comply to my synaptic :s
[04:10] <penguinboy> hey rivka....go to http://www.irclikelife.com/othershit and copy sources.list to your own
[04:10] <Linux_Galore> rikva: usually you edit it with a text editor not synaptic
[04:10] <penguinboy> this will activate the universe repoository
[04:11] <rikva> thanks
[04:11] <penguinboy> sudo pico sources.list
[04:11] <rikva> penguinboy: i know how to do it :)
[04:11] <penguinboy> LOL
[04:11] <penguinboy> LOL
[04:11] <penguinboy> LOL
[04:11] <rikva> ?
[04:11] <penguinboy> get the sources.list at irclikelife you willlike it
[04:12] <penguinboy> OUCH!
[04:12] <Linux_Galore> just poking through groklaws news
[04:13] <penguinboy> what is the url
[04:13] <Linux_Galore> looks like Novell is going to make SCO go broke before the IBM case goes through
[04:13] <buz> yeah
[04:13] <buz> sco must bleed
[04:13] <Linux_Galore> http://www.groklaw.net/
[04:13] <buz> rightly so
[04:13] <Linux_Galore> SCO hasnt been paying Novell its license fee's apparently
[04:14] <buz> yeah i read
[04:14] <buz> laughed my ass off
[04:14] <Linux_Galore> so now SCO is freezing SCO assets
[04:14] <Linux_Galore> sorry Novell
[04:14] <Linux_Galore> should be intresting
[04:14] <Linux_Galore> see if lawyers like working for free
[04:16] <Linux_Galore> suprised me I didn't' realize Novell had a contract with SCO that limited SCO's rights to license the code out
[04:16] <Linux_Galore> to third parties
[04:17] <nikkia> Linux_Galore: the whole way that they came into ownership of the UNIX code is a bit complicated :)
[04:17] <Linux_Galore> so now SCO is in breach of the contract with Novell so Novell now is throwing the whole thing in the bin and saying you owe use 36 million
[04:17] <nikkia> and afaik, novell has requested a freeze of assets, but i don't think its been granted, yet
[04:17] <buz> i just wonder why novell waited that long
[04:17] <buz> did they want to make sure that sco cant survive it
[04:18] <nikkia> buz, that, or they just took this long to determine they had a cast iron case
[04:18] <buz> maybe
[04:18] <Linux_Galore> buz: I would say they didnt realize how clever the contract was... the contract doesnt actually give SCO much leeway 
[04:18] <buz> but nobody gave sco any chance whatsoever
[04:18] <buz> lawyers not seeing their own traps ;)=
[04:19] <Linux_Galore> yeah also I didnt realize Novell had the right to an audit under the agreement for licenses sold by SCO
[04:19] <Linux_Galore> and SCO has totally ignored all attempts to reply to the audit
[04:20] <Linux_Galore> yeah even the main IT media is agree SCO has had it
[04:21] <Linux_Galore> yeah and were all waiting for this so called "copied code"
[04:22] <othernoob> hi, has anyone experience installing win98 on vmware5?
[04:22] <Linux_Galore> three audits of the code have been done and nothing has turned up
[04:22] <buz> othernoob: xp worked fine for me on vmware
[04:22] <buz> as long as you can say fine wrt to xp
[04:22] <Linux_Galore> othernoob: I used qemu for win95
[04:23] <Linux_Galore> also got win2000 working
[04:23] <othernoob> i'm just having problem with it asking for a win98 startdiskette... 
[04:24] <othernoob> which i don't remember having to use the last time i installed it..
[04:24] <othernoob> and since i dont have a floppy drive..well..
[04:32] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Hey. Anyone have an idea how I would go about making java work in Konqueror? There are tons of packages in synaptic and I'm rather confused
[04:33] <Linux_Galore> yeah there is a java ubuntu wiki
[04:34] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Ah, thanks
[04:34] <Linux_Galore> http://wiki.ubuntu.com
[04:35] <Linux_Galore> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[04:36] <Linux_Galore> down the bottom is what you want
[04:38] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Thanks
[04:40] <thom17> bonjour tout le monde
[04:40] <thom17> vous parler francais ?
[04:41] <thom17> Ok, Can you help me ?
[04:41] <thom17> I have a probleme with america's army
[04:41] <thom17> In Training mode...
[04:43] <thom17> hey, somebody can help me please ?
[04:47] <thom17> you never talk on this channel ?
[04:48] <lgsobalvarro> jeje thom17 sometimes ;-)
[04:49] <thom17> lol
[04:50] <thom17> Do you play america's army igsobalvarro ?
[04:51] <lgsobalvarro> nop thom17 somethimes i play Enemy Territory
[04:52] <thom17> ok
[04:53] <coolblue> which is best linux game???????
[04:53] <thom17> this morning I try to install E-T but ...
[04:53] <thom17> I always have an error 
[04:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> coolblue: tahts a matter of opinion
[04:53] <coolblue> ur opinion?
[04:53] <lgsobalvarro> well i play that in windows becouse xorg dont have 3D suppor sor my vide card
[04:54] <thom17> coolblue, I just play AA so...
[04:54] <coolblue> AA?
[04:54] <thom17> America's army
[04:55] <coolblue> hmmmm
[04:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> coolblue: i don't have much time for playing games... gnometris usulay to fill 5 minutes ;)
[04:56] <thom17> lol
[04:56] <coolblue> same pinch:)
[04:56] <coolblue> me tuxracer best pastime
[04:56] <thom17> frozen bubble ...
[04:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> supertux?
[04:56] <lgsobalvarro> yep i like frozen bubble
[04:56] <lgsobalvarro> supertux is OK
[04:56] <thom17> Supertux is boring...
[04:56] <thom17> lol
[04:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> frozen bubble is *the game*
[04:57] <thom17> yes ! I love it :D
[04:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> i just cant tell the colours between most of the bubbles :(
[04:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> bad eyes :(
[04:57] <lgsobalvarro> i like too ClanBomber
[04:57] <lgsobalvarro> its funny
[04:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> *apts in games*
[05:00] <thom17> How can I watch/listen a .wma or .mpg file in firefox ?
[05:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> thom17: do you have the extra codecs?
[05:00] <lgsobalvarro> w32codecs
[05:01] <thom17> heu.....
[05:01] <thom17> I think no...
[05:01] <thom17> I look for "mplayer" in kynaptic
[05:01] <thom17> and I have no results...
[05:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> check on ubuntuguide
[05:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> afaik since your using FF it will be the same setup
[05:02] <thom17> Do you know the name of this package ?
[05:02] <lgsobalvarro> in konqueror weitte this: deb:mplayer
[05:02] <lgsobalvarro> *writte
[05:02] <lgsobalvarro> and press enter
[05:03] <thom17> I try...
[05:04] <lgsobalvarro> and?
[05:04] <thom17> I've a list with some things...
[05:05] <thom17> but I don't find mplayer
[05:05] <lgsobalvarro> or you can too search in packages.debian.org
[05:05] <thom17> http://packages.debian.org/stable/misc/mozilla-mplayer
[05:05] <lgsobalvarro> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/misc/mozilla-mplayer
[05:05] <thom17> what architecture ?
[05:06] <thom17> I ve a x86
[05:06] <lgsobalvarro> i386
[05:06] <thom17> thanks
[05:06] <thom17> ok
[05:07] <thom17> hom17@ubuntu:~/down$ ./mozilla-mplayer_2.70-1_i386.deb
[05:07] <thom17> ./mozilla-mplayer_2.70-1_i386.deb: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[05:07] <thom17> ./mozilla-mplayer_2.70-1_i386.deb: line 1: `!<arch>'
[05:08] <thom17> problem...
[05:08] <levander> Is it possible to tell k3b to create a temporary iso and not burn on the fly?
[05:09] <lgsobalvarro> sudo dpkg -i mozilla-mplayer_2.70-1_i386.deb thats the way thom17
[05:10] <thom17> ok
[05:12] <apokryphos> thom17: why not use the one in the repositories?
[05:12] <thom17> repositories? What does it mean ? I speak english just a little bit...
[05:13] <apokryphos> thom17: you can fetch thousands of packages already made from Ubuntu by just using your package manaager, or using Konsole
[05:14] <apokryphos> So, if you enable the repositories (places to get Ubuntu packages), then you can directly download them, by just typing sudo apt-get install {packagename} in Konsole
[05:14] <thom17> a ok
[05:15] <thom17> apokryphos, I tried but in kynapitc, I had 0 result with mplayer
[05:16] <jatos> hi
[05:16] <apokryphos> thom17: you will need to enable the extra repositories. I can give you instructions on how to do this, if you like.
[05:16] <jatos> me here has really cocked up my kubuntu desktop
[05:16] <jatos> and I need help...
[05:17] <_StarScream> jatos: how is it cocked up?
[05:17] <jatos> internet won't work on it and the x server can't find any screens
[05:17] <jatos> and this after upgrade
[05:17] <apokryphos> jatos: upgrade to...?
[05:17] <jatos> for those of you who don't know, I added the debian sarge repos's into my sources list
[05:17] <jatos> I just did apt-get upgrade
[05:18] <jatos> if I certian person is here I will getting a big "told you so"
[05:18] <jatos> anyway, how do I undo the upgrade
[05:19] <jatos> I am looking like a right idiot here...#
[05:19] <jpatrick> yep ;)
[05:19] <_StarScream> jatos: i am assuming you have your /home on a seperate partition?
[05:19] <jatos> erm no...
[05:20] <jatos> but I can easily copy it
[05:20] <jatos> its not THAT cocked up, just the gui and the net won't work
[05:20] <_StarScream> jatos: i'd probably back it up at least :)
[05:20] <jatos> kik
[05:20] <jatos> *kk
[05:21] <jatos> anyway, is there a way of undoing the cocked up upgrade?
[05:21] <jatos> anyone?
[05:22] <jatos> should I take that as no?
[05:23] <_StarScream> jatos: you should take that as, none of us are experienced enough to help , or those that are, may be too busy crying from laughter
[05:23] <_StarScream> either way you wont get an instant answer i'll bet
[05:23] <jatos> lol... I am feeling like a right idiot here
[05:23] <_StarScream> jatos: apokryphos would be hte one to ask i guess
[05:24] <jatos> I imagine that I am not going to live this mistake down...
[05:25] <apokryphos> jatos: what does dpkg -l|grep xserver-xorg give?
[05:25] <apokryphos> _StarScream: probably not ;-)
[05:25] <jatos> erm...
[05:25] <_StarScream> jatos: format your machine, change your nick and no one will be the wiser
[05:25] <jatos> I no sure @ apokryphos - I am on a live distro
[05:25] <_StarScream> apokryphos: more chance than he's got with me guiding him thats for sure :)
[05:26] <apokryphos> You've likely mucked up several things; would be helpful if you had the things it installed. If your X is broken, you'll likely be able to fix that with removing Debian's one (if it even tried to install it), and sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:27] <jatos> ok
[05:27] <jatos> the first thing I need fixing is the internet
[05:27] <apokryphos> Make sure you remove the debian from sources.list and sudo apt-get update first
[05:27] <jatos> I have removed, or commented it rather
[05:27] <apokryphos> jatos: it doesn't resolve? Do you ahve a router?
[05:27] <apokryphos> ok, that's fine.
[05:28] <jatos> nothing internet related works, also I have NAT on my proxy...
[05:28] <apokryphos> jatos: if you set up your connection by dhcp it's worth trying sudo dhclient in your konsole
[05:28] <jatos> ah
[05:29] <jatos> will try it
[05:29] <jatos> brb
[05:29] <apokryphos> It's alwasy a good idea to have your /home on adifferent mount point too
[05:29] <jatos> I am just going to restart
[05:31] <apokryphos> hmmm, it's recommended that you don't add the debian repos at all... but dist-upgrade? Did he want Sarge? :S
[05:35] <_StarScream> haha
[05:36] <_StarScream> also...sarge..? isn' kubuntu based off sid anyway?
[05:36] <apokryphos> But it is based off Debian; and they sync back every 6 months.
[05:37] <apokryphos> Warty -> Debian {insertrelevantversionhere} is meant to work fine; but hoary -> not the case. Big hassle, apparnetly
[05:37] <apokryphos> apparently
[05:43] <Jatos> hi
[05:44] <Jatos> village idiot is back
[05:44] <coolblue> sometimes i land up in grub shell........
[05:44] <coolblue> help me plz
[05:48] <apokryphos> nikkia: an expensive linux one? :|
[05:48] <apokryphos> evenin', btw =)
[05:48] <nikkia> apokryphos: no, an expensive sound one
[05:49] <nikkia> oh, thats irritating
[05:49] <nikkia> it included a dvd, 'with 38 minute documentry of 'the making of jeff wayne's war of the worlds'
[05:49] <Jatos> village idiot here has got his computer working again...
[05:49] <nikkia> its a dvd-rom, with the video hidden deep among .html files
[05:50] <nikkia> how much you bet its in WMV9 format :/
[05:50] <nikkia> oh, no, its in .flv wtf that is
[05:51] <PieD> flv = Fucking Linux Videoplayers
[05:51] <PieD> Am I right ? :p
[05:51] <nikkia> something flash, obviously
[05:51] <pmazer> i just installed kubuntu and my fonts don't appear to be anti-aliased... anything i need to do to activate that?
[05:51] <nikkia> as it tries to play them with a flash based player if you load them in firefox, i say 'tries' because it fails, miserably
[05:52] <PieD> nikkia: everybody could guess the "miserably" :p
[05:53] <nikkia> given that the magazine has done articles on 'migrating your studio to linux' before, you'd think they could be a little less IE-centric
[05:53] <PieD> they are perhaps not IE centric, they may be windows centric
[05:54] <nikkia> pied, possible, but the point stands
[05:55] <nikkia> also, remember that windows isn't even close to a monopoly in the market that the magazine targets
[06:06] <Epod69> is there a deb package for limewire i can install through kubuntu sources.list ?
[06:06] <apokryphos> Epod69: no
[06:07] <Epod69> you know of a deb package I can use ? will debians package break the system?
[06:08] <_andy> does anybody know how i can install flash for conqueror?
[06:08] <apokryphos> No idea. You may even be able to use alien
[06:08] <apokryphos> no real point, though; Limewire has a binary itself
[06:08] <Epod69> yea..ive heard some bad stuff sometimes if you do that though
[06:08] <apokryphos> !limewire
[06:08] <ubotu> well, limewire is at http://ubuntuguide.org/#limewire
[06:08] <apokryphos> for a quick guide
[06:09] <nikkia> apokryphos: i thought limewire was a java app ?
[06:09] <_andy> anybody know how to install flash for konqueror?
[06:10] <apokryphos> _andy: yes. sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla ; restart Konqueror
[06:10] <_andy> will the mozilla one work for konqueror?
[06:10] <apokryphos> nikkia: it is
[06:10] <apokryphos> _andy: correct
[06:10] <nikkia> k
[06:10] <_andy> how do i restart konqueror after the install?
[06:11] <apokryphos> close Konqueror; killal konqueror (in Konsole); start it up again
[06:11] <apokryphos> *killall konqueror
[06:11] <_andy> allright
[06:11] <_andy> and how do i restart it again?
[06:12] <apokryphos> Same way you normally open Konqueror :)
[06:12] <apokryphos> either by the shortcut in quicklaunch (you should have one)
[06:12] <apokryphos> or alt+f2 -> konqueror
[06:13] <_andy> it says it can't find package flashplayer-mozilla....
[06:13] <apokryphos> !info flashplayer-mozilla
[06:13] <ubotu> flashplayer-mozilla: (Macromedia Flash Player), section multiverse/web, is optional. Version: 7.0.25-0.0 (hoary), Packaged size: 956 kB, Installed size: 2136 kB
[06:13] <apokryphos> You need to enable the Multiverse repository
[06:13] <apokryphos> instructions on...
[06:13] <_andy> how do i do that?
[06:13] <apokryphos> !repository
[06:13] <ubotu> apokryphos: I don't know, could you explain it?
[06:13] <apokryphos> !repositories
[06:13] <ubotu> somebody said repositories was at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:13] <apokryphos> though I'm not sure if there's Kubuntu-friendly instructions there. Hmm
[06:14] <_mikkohuo> Does anyone use apt-indicator? (http://apt-indicator.sourceforge.net/)
[06:14] <_andy> is there a way to get flash through kynaptic?
[06:14] <apokryphos> _andy: yes, this is the way. Kynaptic is just a KDE GUI Front-end to apt -- they're the same at the backend
[06:15] <surly> help please .... sound sucks in kubuntu
[06:15] <surly> i have used the forums and tips here, but my volume is too low
[06:15] <_mikkohuo> I have tried to compile it, but without success. It worked well in Debian sarge, but I can't get it work in kubuntu.
[06:15] <surly> tweaked alsa, aumix, esd, all of the tips.......nothing working
[06:16] <apokryphos> _andy: hmm, the instructions there look kinda lame to me, just do this....
[06:17] <apokryphos> sudomv/etc/apt/sources.list/etc/apt/sources.list.`date +%y%m%d-%H%M` && sudo wget http://giannaros.org/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[06:19] <_andy> do i just type that in exactly the same as the one you typed in?
[06:19] <apokryphos> _andy: just paste it in Konsole, yeah
[06:19] <apokryphos> _andy: basically, I'm just backing up your sources, replacing it with the sources I have (will have all the relevant stuff enabled), then I'm updating apt, and telling it to install flashplayer-mozilla
[06:22] <_andy> okay, i think it worked...thanks :)
[06:22] <apokryphos> nice
[06:22] <apokryphos> You should also consider adding the gpg keys, so that apt-get update doesn't try to choke
[06:23] <apokryphos> !gpg
[06:23] <ubotu> somebody said gpg was at http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html#h2add
[06:29] <nocloud> can anybody tell me were the konqueror plugin folder is located? i have several plugins i need to install and its a lot easier just copying the files into there
[06:30] <ubuntu> wussup\
[06:30] <nocloud> do you know where the konqueror plugin folder is located?
[06:31] <ubuntu> I just installed... I dont know
[06:31] <ubuntu> sorry...
[06:31] <ubuntu> but I will try to find it...
[06:32] <Shabby> wussup all
[06:32] <apokryphos> nocloud: you tell Konqueror where to look for them. 
[06:33] <apokryphos> nocloud: Configure Konqueror -> Plugins
[06:33] <FlukeSkywalker> this is a cool OS
[06:34] <znh> FlukeSkywalker: fact
[06:34] <nocloud> i am at the configure konqueror menu...
[06:34] <nocloud> no luck finding plugins
[06:34] <nocloud> can you tell me where to look in configure konqueror?
[06:34] <apokryphos> nocloud: er, it's on the left. Second-to-last option
[06:35] <FlukeSkywalker>  Better than Windows... I am so sick of windows...
[06:35] <nocloud> ah, i see, way down there....
[06:35] <FlukeSkywalker> just hilight...
[06:36] <_StarScream> FlukeSkywalker: no colours please
[06:36] <FlukeSkywalker> cause I will be sayin some helpful stuff
[06:36] <apokryphos> Erm, no thanks. But it's fine now
[06:37] <FlukeSkywalker> I need to run HL2 on this OS...
[06:49] <krystoff> hi there, please wanna kno if is this normal that i need gnome libs to install firefox ?
[07:00] <_StarScream> krystoff: you can get a build pre-build with gtk from mozilla.org i think
[07:14] <Epod69> hey, if i go to the limewire folder and load limewire, it works just fine, but if a create a link to runlime.sh in the /usr/bin folder, it doesnt load limewire =( . It says, Unable to access jarfile LimeWire.jar, anyone know what could be wrong?
[07:29] <charlie> will someone please look to see if they have: dcopinterface_stub.h anywhere on there pc ?
[07:29] <koke> hi, is there something like gnome-volume-manager in KDE?
[07:32] <charlie> will someone please look to see if they have: dcopinterface_stub.h anywhere on there pc ?
[07:35] <dooglio> looks like a KDE file
[07:35] <dooglio> google for it :-)
[07:36] <charlie> i cant find it on google i need to know how to get it
[07:38] <ubun> hola
[07:38] <dooglio> if you can't find it, it's possible that it might have been deprecated
[07:38] <dooglio> hola ubun
[07:38] <ubun> este canal
[07:38] <ubun> es para hispanos?
[07:38] <ubun> yo soy de chile
[07:39] <ubun> y busco un canal de kubuntu en espaol existe?
[07:39] <dooglio> sorry, i dont' speak spanish
[07:39] <ubun> i find a spanish channel
[07:39] <ubun> about kubuntu
[07:39] <Rogue_Jedi_X> #kubuntu-es?
[07:39] <dooglio> there you go
[07:40] <ubun> uff
[07:40] <ubun> so much people
[07:40] <ubun> xD
[07:40] <ubun> #kubuntu-es
[07:40] <dooglio> ubun: try joining that channel
[07:41] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Just type /join #kubuntu-es
[07:45] <Rogue_Jedi_X> While I'm here, how can I select a different search engine in Konqueror's location toolbar? I clicked on the G icon (as in Google) and then "Select Search Engine...", selected something else, but it stays with google
[07:45] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Whew
[07:48] <pmazer> anyone have a mysql graphical client to recommend?
[07:50] <gsuveg> re
[07:51] <dooglio> Rogue_Jedi_X: it looks like that "select search engine" only applies to web searches "aka: deb:kde in the address bar"
[07:52] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Dang it. I was really hoping it would be like Firefox
[07:53] <dooglio> it's a little deceiving, the way they laid that out
[07:54] <Rogue_Jedi_X> No kidding
[07:54] <Rogue_Jedi_X> What a letdown
[08:25] <RLG> hi
[08:25] <equex> why is nothing beeing actually written to my usb stick, although konqueror pretends that i file i copied there is there, but really the file doesnt show up on the windows lappy
[08:25] <RLG> Is there a way to get java applets to work on either firefox or konqueror?
[08:25] <equex> i can view, rename the file but as soon as i put the stick elsewhere, the file is gone
[08:26] <ztonzy> RLG: did you even try to install java ?
[08:26] <RLG> I did on firefox
[08:26] <ztonzy> RLG: www.java.com has it all
[08:26] <ztonzy> or ubuntuguide.org
[08:27] <RLG> I installed the plugin going by the ubuntuguide.org,
[08:27] <ztonzy> RLG: well...just go to pluginsettings in Konqueror and search for new plugins
[08:27] <RLG> but, the applets don't work.
[08:27] <ztonzy> hit the search button
[08:29] <ztonzy> RLG: what applet? URL ?
[08:29] <RLG> hmmmm. I'll give it another try on konqueror
[08:29] <RLG> example, java chat applets, and also games at yahoo.
[08:30] <ztonzy> RLG: ok...
[08:31] <ztonzy> RLG: can test it here too:  http://java.com/sv/download/help/testvm.xml
[08:32] <ztonzy> I mean: http://java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml
[08:33] <RLG> ty.
[08:33] <RLG> I'll give t a try.
[08:33] <RLG> Smiles
[08:34] <dEdd> Does anybody know why kpdf, even in 'watch file' mode, does not reopen freshly pdflatex'ed files?
[08:34] <dEdd> (On a default hoary installation)
[08:35] <dEdd> (So kpdf 0.4, kde 3.4.0)
[08:38] <fatejudger> I'm having a little bit of trouble with my clock. For some reason it won't let me change the time anymore. Any suggestions?
[08:41] <fatejudger> is anybody even here?
[08:41] <Rogue_Jedi_X> How do I make Kopete auto-connect at startup?
[08:41] <fatejudger> just use gaim, it's better anyway
[08:41] <buz> you can set auto connect in the config somewhere
[08:41] <fatejudger> yeah
[08:42] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I'm about to, but Kopete has some nice functions that gaim doesn't
[08:42] <fatejudger> it's under...
[08:42] <fatejudger> behaviors
[08:42] <fatejudger> nice functions such as?
[08:42] <rikva> looking nice
[08:42] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Custom emoticons for one
[08:42] <Rogue_Jedi_X> And that, yeah
[08:42] <fatejudger> ...
[08:42] <RLG> Still working on it. I'll give it a try later on.
[08:42] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I'm weak, so sue me
[08:42] <RLG> Thank You
[08:42] <Rogue_Jedi_X> And thanks
[08:43] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I thought it was under accounts
[08:43] <fatejudger> yeah
[08:43] <fatejudger> this clock thing is REALLY frustrating
[08:43] <Rogue_Jedi_X> clock thing?
[08:43] <fatejudger> yeah
[08:43] <fatejudger> I can't adjust the date and time anymore
[08:43] <fatejudger> after I supply my password
[08:43] <fatejudger> it just
[08:43] <rikva> [cliche]  are you root
[08:43] <fatejudger> doesn't execute anything
[08:44] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Weird
[08:44] <fatejudger> I know
[08:44] <fatejudger> and it worked before
[08:44] <fatejudger> I was trying to set it to work with the local time
[08:44] <fatejudger> and that's when it stopped working
[08:46] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Does it work if you change it to the way it was set up before?
[08:46] <fatejudger> I'm trying that
[08:46] <fatejudger> all I did was go into the defaults
[08:46] <fatejudger> and set UTC=no
[08:47] <fatejudger> I guess I'll have to restart to find out
[08:47] <fatejudger> it isn't even letting me enter the password dialog
[08:47] <fatejudger> let me restart and find out
[08:58] <gsuveg> its possible to run ensode on ubuntu ?
[09:00] <fatejudger> well changing the setting back for the time didn't help
[09:00] <fatejudger> any other suggestions?
[09:01] <Rogue_Jedi_X> *scratches head*
[09:02] <fatejudger> this should be extremely easy to figure out
[09:02] <fatejudger> is there some way to manually change the time
[09:02] <fatejudger> ?
[09:06] <fatejudger> would it make any difference if I did a cold boot?
[09:06] <fatejudger> I mean
[09:06] <Tranquitos> fatejudger: date
[09:06] <fatejudger> ?
[09:07] <fatejudger> what do you mean date?
[09:07] <Tranquitos> fatejudger: date MMDDhhmm
[09:07] <Tranquitos> youu open a konsole
[09:07] <Tranquitos> and write that
[09:07] <Tranquitos> MM is month, DD is day, hh is hour, and mm minutes
[09:08] <fatejudger> yeah
[09:08] <fatejudger> that command doesn't work
[09:08] <fatejudger> date does though
[09:08] <fatejudger> Sat Aug  6 19:07:19 UTC 2005
[09:08] <fatejudger> what does that have to do with me being able to change the time?
[09:09] <Tranquitos> date only shows the current time
[09:09] <Tranquitos> if you use the command i told you, you will change it
[09:09] <Rogue_Jedi_X> "Display the current time in the given FORMAT, or set the system date."
[09:09] <Tranquitos> but... maybe you need to run it as root
[09:09] <Tranquitos> try sudo date MMDDhhmm
[09:10] <fatejudger> alright
[09:10] <_ray> fatejudger: you just want to change the time?
[09:10] <fatejudger> yeah
[09:10] <fatejudger> preferably inside the KDE GUI
[09:10] <fatejudger> it worked before
[09:10] <fatejudger> and then it just stopped working
[09:10] <_ray> when you right click on the time you cant change it?
[09:11] <Sgeo> Hi all
[09:12] <fatejudger> well
[09:12] <Sgeo> How can a package in universe become dangerous to use with the disabled root account?
[09:12] <fatejudger> the password dialog comes up
[09:12] <fatejudger> but when I type the password in
[09:12] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hello Sgeo 
[09:12] <fatejudger> the time dialog box doesn't come up
[09:12] <_ray> fatejudger: did you upgrade to kde 3.4.2?
[09:13] <_ray> fatejudger: wow mine doesnt come up either!!!!!!!!
[09:13] <fatejudger> lol
[09:13] <_ray> what the hell
[09:13] <fatejudger> well this is frustrating
[09:13] <fatejudger> I think I have the latest version
[09:14] <fatejudger> I just burned the cd
[09:14] <fatejudger> the day before yesterday
[09:14] <fatejudger> or maybe it was yesterday...
[09:14] <Tranquitos> _ray: mine also doesn't work... may this be a bug in kde?
[09:14] <_ray> fatejudger: you can do a kdesu kcontrol and change it from there!
[09:14] <fatejudger> that is REALLY weird
[09:15] <Tranquitos> anyway, i use ntp to synchronize my clock
[09:15] <Sgeo> !synaptic
[09:15] <ubotu> it has been said that synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[09:15] <Tranquitos> but it's funny, i cant open that dialog
[09:16] <_ray> yeah i use ntp too 
[09:16] <_ray> so im all set
[09:16] <_ray> but
[09:17] <fatejudger> well I just couldn't change timezone
[09:17] <fatejudger> which is why I need to get into it now
[09:17] <fatejudger> it definately isn't 7:17 here...
[09:17] <_ray> fatejudger: did you try what i said
[09:18] <fatejudger> yeah
[09:18] <fatejudger> I just did sudo kcontrol
[09:18] <fatejudger> from the konsole
[09:18] <_ray> its a better idea to use kdesu
[09:19] <fatejudger> that doesn't work
[09:19] <_ray> really
[09:19] <fatejudger> that sudo thing is generating a whole bunch of errors
[09:19] <Tranquitos> fatejudger: what _ray means, is to use "kdesu kcontrol"
[09:19] <fatejudger> yeah
[09:19] <fatejudger> in the run command box
[09:19] <fatejudger> right?
[09:19] <Tranquitos> that's it
[09:20] <fatejudger> password dialog box comes up
[09:20] <fatejudger> I fill in the password
[09:20] <fatejudger> and I get nothing
[09:20] <fatejudger> I hate this...
[09:21] <fatejudger> ok
[09:21] <fatejudger> now it works
[09:21] <fatejudger> I don't get this at all
[09:22] <buz> is there a svn kio_slave?
[09:22] <fatejudger> ok, I changed the time
[09:22] <fatejudger> but it isn't showing up on the clock
[09:22] <fatejudger> can you guys get yours to change the time on the clock?
[09:22] <Tranquitos> let me see
[09:22] <_ray> fatejudger: you have to log out
[09:22] <_ray> for it to change
[09:23] <fatejudger> ok
[09:23] <fatejudger> I'll end the session
[09:23] <fatejudger> and brb
[09:23] <Tranquitos> _ray: i don't know... when you use date, it updates automatically
[09:23] <_ray> Tranquitos: ive always had to log out when changing the time...
[09:24] <_juan> hi
[09:24] <Tranquitos> _ray: well, all these time issues seem to be as weird as me
[09:25] <_ray> what distro do you guys recommend for an old amd k5 with like 65 megs of ram?
[09:25] <_ray> Tranquitos: yeah that why i like ntp
[09:25] <fatejudger> yeah
[09:25] <Tranquitos> _ray: slackware 9, or 10
[09:25] <fatejudger> that didn't work
[09:25] <Tranquitos> _ray: will you be using x?
[09:25] <_ray> what is the time there?
[09:25] <_ray> Tranquitos: yes i will be using x
[09:25] <fatejudger> here?
[09:26] <_ray> yes
[09:26] <fatejudger> 12:26 PM
[09:26] <fatejudger> my clock says
[09:26] <fatejudger> 7:26
[09:26] <Tranquitos> fatejudger: check your /etc/timezone file
[09:26] <_ray> fatejudger: go into the terminal and type tzconfig
[09:27] <Sgeo> How do I use the default settings from KLAX?
[09:27] <Tranquitos> if needed,  edit it and write which zone are you using, as a subdirectory of /usr/zoneinfo
[09:27] <fatejudger> America/Los_Angeles
[09:27] <fatejudger> that would point to PST
[09:27] <fatejudger> which is what I need
[09:28] <_ray> fatejudger: tzconfig
[09:28] <Tranquitos> yes, that seems to be the best choice, _ray 
[09:29] <Tranquitos> i didn't know that command... hehe
[09:29] <_ray> i remember that command from debian....and it still works in kubuntu
[09:29] <fatejudger> well that makes sense
[09:29] <fatejudger> but my timezone is correctly set
[09:29] <_ray> what
[09:29] <_ray> really
[09:29] <fatejudger> like I said
[09:30] <fatejudger> I live in California
[09:30] <fatejudger> so this would point to the right time zone
[09:30] <_ray> set it for something diff and see if it changes
[09:30] <fatejudger> alright
[09:30] <Tranquitos> try "ntpdate ntp.ubuntulinux.org"
[09:31] <_ray> i had this problem in debian....i set it to eastern time and it was wrong....i had to set it to something bizzarre to get the right time
[09:31] <fatejudger> Your default time zone is set to 'US/Eastern'.
[09:32] <fatejudger> Local time is now:      Sat Aug  6 15:31:16 EDT 2005.
[09:32] <fatejudger> do I have to end my session?
[09:32] <fatejudger> it isn't showing up in KDE
[09:32] <_ray> yeah i always have to
[09:33] <fatejudger> ok
[09:33] <fatejudger> brb then
[09:34] <_ray> Tranquitos: so you would say slackware for that old pc?
[09:35] <fatejudger> ok
[09:35] <fatejudger> it worked
[09:35] <fatejudger> I set it to US/Pacific
[09:35] <Tranquitos> _ray: i'm using slack 10.1 on a celeron 600 notebook, and it runs flawlessly
[09:35] <Tranquitos> mandrake was very slow
[09:35] <fatejudger> you don't use kubuntu?
[09:35] <Tranquitos> and i never tried debian
[09:35] <_ray> Tranquitos: the pc only has 4 gigs 
[09:35] <_ray> debian rules
[09:36] <_ray> very similar to ubuntu/kubuntu
[09:36] <fatejudger> yeah, so I hear
[09:36] <Tranquitos> yes, i know, but i never tried debian on that pc
[09:36] <fatejudger> so what package manager does kubuntu use?
[09:36] <_ray> yeah... i tried sarge on that old pc and it was slowwwwwwwww
[09:36] <Tranquitos> i've used Woody some time ago
[09:36] <_ray> i have damn small on it now
[09:37] <Tranquitos> well, you should use fluxbox, or blackbox 
[09:37] <_ray> yeah ..... or icewm
[09:37] <Tranquitos> when i tried kde 3.2 in that notebook, it took about 5 min to start
[09:38] <_ray> im not a fan of flux or blackbox
[09:38] <fatejudger> !synaptic
[09:38] <ubotu> hmm... synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[09:39] <fatejudger> that's the gnome one...
[09:39] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Truth is, it's still better than kynaptic
[09:40] <fatejudger> well last time I used kynaptic
[09:40] <fatejudger> I erased like
[09:40] <fatejudger> half of the packages
[09:40] <fatejudger> konq was gone
[09:40] <fatejudger> so was kmail
[09:40] <fatejudger> and several other applications
[09:40] <fatejudger> I thought I was commiting changes to only package
[09:40] <Tranquitos> brb
[09:40] <fatejudger> but I guess some are preselected
[09:41] <fatejudger> I'm afraid to use it again
[09:41] <fatejudger> lol
[09:42] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Nothing is preselected when you open it
[09:42] <Rogue_Jedi_X> You probably erased something that other programs depended on
[09:43] <buz> mhh how can i get phpize installed
[09:45] <_ray> ok if i want to use kontact or kmail.....is there a free email service that will let me do that
[09:46] <Tranquitos> _ray: gmail
[09:46] <_ray> Tranquitos: is it free?
[09:47] <Tranquitos> yes it is
[09:47] <Tranquitos> but you need an invitation
[09:47] <Tranquitos> if you want, i'll give you one
[09:47] <_ray> Tranquitos: so how do i set it up trough kontact
[09:47] <DVSoftware> hello
[09:47] <DVSoftware> my friend has problems with kppp
[09:47] <Rogue_Jedi_X> gmail is STILL accessible only through invitations?
[09:47] <Tranquitos> it has a POP and SMTP adress
[09:48] <Tranquitos> Rogue_Jedi_X: yes
[09:48] <fatejudger> you can set gmail to work with kontact?
[09:48] <DVSoftware> actually his pppd dies unexpectidly
[09:48] <DVSoftware> with error message in console
[09:48] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Are they planning to keeping it that way?
[09:48] <_ray> any other services that i could use to set up kontact?
[09:48] <Tranquitos> fatejudger: yes, you can, i have mine configured like that
[09:49] <_ray> gmail you need an invite
[09:49] <fatejudger> right
[09:49] <fatejudger> they have POP support
[09:49] <_ray> does yahoo mail have pop support?
[09:49] <Tranquitos> _ray: give me your mail address, and i'll send you an invite
[09:50] <DVSoftware> Couldn't find interface ppp0: No such device
[09:50] <DVSoftware> Rogue_Jedi_X, i can invite you if you need it
[09:50] <DVSoftware> Rogue_Jedi_X, no
[09:50] <fatejudger> why are all of these boxes selected in kynaptic?
[09:51] <fatejudger> I swear
[09:51] <fatejudger> I'm going to erase all of my packages again
[09:51] <Rogue_Jedi_X> No thanks, DVSoftware, but thanks for asking. I was just curious
[09:52] <fatejudger> are the packages available in kynaptic the same ones on the online database?
[09:52] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Yup
[09:52] <fatejudger> hmm
[09:53] <fatejudger> that's convenient
[09:53] <fatejudger> I guess I don't have to do apt-get then
[09:53] <_ray> fatejudger: how in the hell did you end up erasing stuff with kynaptic?
[09:53] <fatejudger> I have no idea
[09:53] <fatejudger> basically
[09:53] <fatejudger> I was trying to compile gaim
[09:53] <fatejudger> 1.4.0
[09:53] <fatejudger> but it wasn't working
[09:53] <fatejudger> it had a ton of errors
[09:53] <fatejudger> I guess a whole bunch of stuff wasn't installed
[09:54] <fatejudger> pkg-config
[09:54] <fatejudger> a c compiler
[09:54] <fatejudger> the new version of glib
[09:54] <fatejudger> so I tried to uninstall the old version of glib
[09:54] <fatejudger> and it basically screwed everything up
[09:54] <_ray> fatejudger: why would you compile gaim?
[09:54] <fatejudger> they don't have a binary
[09:55] <DVSoftware> anyone?
[09:55] <_ray> fatejudger: are you kidding!
[09:55] <fatejudger> maybe for 1.1.4
[09:55] <fatejudger> but not for 1.4.0
[09:55] <_ray> fatejudger: sudo apt-get install gaim would have gotten you gaim
[09:55] <fatejudger> I know gaim 1.1.4 is in the package manager
[09:55] <_ray> oh
[09:55] <fatejudger> I know it would have
[09:56] <fatejudger> gaim 1.1.4
[09:56] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I have no experience with kppp, sorry
[09:56] <fatejudger> which isn't nearly as good
[09:56] <_ray> whats the new version
[09:56] <fatejudger> 1.4.0
[09:56] <fatejudger> they're finishing up the summer of code on gaim
[09:56] <fatejudger> and they're going to have NAT support
[09:56] <fatejudger> and a bunch of other plugins
[09:56] <fatejudger> realtime coding collaboraion
[09:56] <fatejudger> *collaboration
[09:56] <_ray> did you ever end up compiling it?
[09:57] <fatejudger> I tried to ./configure
[09:57] <fatejudger> and that's when it gave me all of those errors
[09:57] <fatejudger> do you use kubuntu?
[09:57] <fatejudger> I guess it barely has anything installed
[09:57] <fatejudger> very frustrating
[09:58] <fatejudger> compared to slackware at least
[09:58] <fatejudger> that's what I'm used to
[09:58] <_ray> fatejudger: did you get build-essential
[09:58] <fatejudger> yes
[09:58] <fatejudger> build-essential
[09:58] <fatejudger> pkg-config
[09:58] <DVSoftware> anyone knows anything about kppp problem?
[09:58] <_ray> let me try and compile
[09:58] <fatejudger> ok
[09:58] <_ray> pop mail services SUCK
[09:59] <_ray> fatejudger: did you try getting an rpm?
[09:59] <_ray> or the autopackage?
[09:59] <fatejudger> no
[09:59] <fatejudger> I figured rpms were only for the bigger distros
[10:00] <fatejudger> like Fedora
[10:00] <fatejudger> SuSE
[10:00] <fatejudger> or somethign like that
[10:00] <fatejudger> *something
[10:00] <fatejudger> I have no idea what an autopackage is
[10:00] <fatejudger> isn't that the universal package system
[10:00] <fatejudger> for linux?
[10:00] <fatejudger> that's supposed to "bring together" all the distros
[10:00] <_ray> fatejudger: yeah i think
[10:00] <fatejudger> or something like that
[10:00] <fatejudger> I guess I could do that
[10:01] <_ray> kubuntu is just as big of a distro as fedora and suse
[10:01] <fatejudger> but I still would like to be able to compile programs
[10:01] <fatejudger> I mean
[10:01] <fatejudger> big as in size
[10:01] <_ray> i can compile
[10:01] <fatejudger> literal size
[10:01] <fatejudger> do you use kubuntu?
[10:01] <_ray> sure do
[10:01] <Choubaka> fatejudger: install build-essential
[10:01] <fatejudger> I did
[10:02] <fatejudger> and I installed pkg-config
[10:02] <Choubaka> and Ubuntu is a huge distro :P
[10:02] <fatejudger> everything it told me to
[10:02] <_ray> are you sure?
[10:02] <fatejudger> yes
[10:02] <fatejudger> I'm looking at the package
[10:02] <fatejudger> right now
[10:02] <fatejudger> in kynaptic
[10:02] <Choubaka> Hm.
[10:02] <fatejudger> it has the green box
[10:02] <fatejudger> next to it
[10:03] <fatejudger> no package silcclient found
[10:03] <_ray> i just compiled gaim no problem
[10:03] <fatejudger> well did you ./configure?
[10:03] <fatejudger> this says I have an old version of glib too
[10:04] <fatejudger> maybe you upgraded things
[10:04] <_ray> you need the glib headers i think
[10:04] <fatejudger> where is that?
[10:06] <_ray> nevermind i cant find it
[10:06] <fatejudger> I can't believe it didn't give you any errors when you configured gaim
[10:07] <_ray> the autopackage works great to
[10:07] <fatejudger> I'm sure it does
[10:08] <fatejudger> but I still would like to know how to do this
[10:08] <fatejudger> for future reference
[10:08] <fatejudger> I mean
[10:08] <fatejudger> I'm going to have to compile something sometime
[10:08] <fatejudger> ok, I'm going to erase the old gaim package
[10:09] <fatejudger> it says that there are 45 held packages
[10:09] <fatejudger> or something
[10:09] <fatejudger> what are held packages?
[10:11] <jatos> hi
[10:11] <_ray> hello
[10:11] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Packages that need to be upgraded, I think
[10:11] <fatejudger> ok
[10:12] <Choubaka> Hum.
[10:12] <Choubaka> They're packages that will not be updated.
[10:12] <fatejudger> ah
[10:12] <_ray> fatejudger: i like the autopackage
[10:12] <fatejudger> that makes more sense
[10:12] <fatejudger> the autopackage is nice
[10:12] <fatejudger> but
[10:12] <fatejudger> I still need to know how to compile stuff
[10:12] <fatejudger> not everything will have an autopackage
[10:12] <fatejudger> I still don't see
[10:12] <fatejudger> how you are able to compile it
[10:12] <fatejudger> and I'm not
[10:12] <fatejudger> did you install any extra packages?
[10:12] <fatejudger> or programs
[10:13] <_shawn> hehe don't try to update kubuntu to breezy.... that was hell lol
[10:13] <jatos> ah
[10:13] <jatos> oh _shawn, you know I added the debian sarge repos's to be sources.list
[10:13] <PieD> _shawn: is breezy usable yet ?
[10:14] <_shawn> I couldn't get it to update lots of dependency issues
[10:14] <_ray> fatejudger: most everything you need to compile will work
[10:14] <Poromies> some parts of breezy are quite usable, to my experience
[10:14] <_shawn> you can use debian repos's?
[10:15] <jatos> yes but don't try upgrading while they are in your sources.list
[10:15] <_shawn> oh ok
[10:15] <supernix> anyone know anything about a mirror being down ?
[10:15] <_ray> fatejudger: i see absolutley no difference in this version and the one from apt
[10:15] <_shawn> Poromies, so you managed to upgrade to breezy?
[10:15] <jatos> I got quite a lot of stuff from the debian repos however I left the debian repos's in my sources.list when I upgraded and the OS and this proved to be a mistake...
[10:16] <fatejudger> _ray: there are a bunch of fixes
[10:16] <fatejudger> _ray: I wanted to be able to upgrade after the summer of code thing was done
[10:16] <fatejudger> _ray: to get the fixes
[10:16] <_ray> fatejudger: u dont like kopete?
[10:17] <Poromies> _shawn: nopes, i only took the packages i needed: new kernel and restricted modules for 3d support
[10:17] <fatejudger> _ray: well, I've used XP for the longest time, and gaim has good windows support
[10:17] <_ray> gaim is ugly in kubuntu
[10:17] <fatejudger> _ray: to tell you the truth, I haven't have much experience with kopete
[10:17] <_ray> i like kopete
[10:18] <_ray> yup just uninstalled gaim......but that autopackage was really nice
[10:18] <_ray> fatejudger: try and compile something else
[10:19] <fatejudger> _ray: that autopackage didn't work for me
[10:20] <_ray> fatejudger: what
[10:20] <_ray> fatejudger: what was the error
[10:20] <_ray> fatejudger is having very bad luck
[10:21] <jimcooncat> do you have a noob channel?
[10:22] <fatejudger> _ray: it just wouldn't start
[10:22] <_ray> jimcooncat: whats your problem?
[10:22] <fatejudger> _ray: actually it just opens a text editor
[10:22] <_ray> fatejudger: you have to run from the term
[10:23] <jimcooncat> I'm a gnome user, had bad experiences with kde on fedora, probably switching to suse at work. 
[10:23] <jimcooncat> Want to know if kubuntu has a clean uninstall?
[10:23] <jimcooncat> I'd like to get more familiar with kmail and stuff on my ubuntu home computer
[10:24] <_ray> you mean clean install?
[10:24] <fatejudger> kubuntu is exactly like ubuntu
[10:24] <fatejudger> except it has kde instead of gnome
[10:24] <jimcooncat> I've no doubt about a clean install, but I'm not sure I want to stick with it
[10:24] <fatejudger> then format your drive and stick another distro on it
[10:25] <fatejudger> _ray: I still can't run it
[10:25] <fatejudger> _ray: I think I'm doing it wrong
[10:25] <jimcooncat> you mean I should make another partition setup just for it?
[10:25] <_ray> fatejudger: ok
[10:25] <fatejudger> jimcooncat: you could
[10:25] <_ray> fatejudger: do a sudo chmod 777 to the package
[10:26] <jimcooncat> I was hoping aptitude would be able to remove all kubuntu-specific packages when I'm through playing around.
[10:26] <_ray> jimcooncat: yes it can
[10:27] <_ray> jimcooncat: if you do aptitude install kubuntu-desktop.....then when your ready aptitude remove kubuntu-desktop
[10:27] <jimcooncat> I'd be able to do something like "sudo aptitude purge kubuntu-desktop"?
[10:27] <jimcooncat> cool, thanks _ray
[10:27] <fatejudger> _ray: that autopackage is really neat
[10:28] <fatejudger> _ray: I wonder how hard it is to compile a program for autopackage
[10:28] <Sgeo> Where can I find information about .desktop files?
[10:29] <_ray> fatejudger: you wont have to do much compiling....but everything should compile for you
[10:30] <jimcooncat> Oh, what will installing kubuntu-desktop do to my gnome setup? Can I just pick a kubuntu session from gdm? Or will it install kdm?
[10:33] <_ray> jimcooncat: you can log in from gdm
[10:33] <_ray> jimcooncat: i dont think it installs kdm
[10:34] <_ray> Sgeo: what kind of info?
[10:34] <jimcooncat> good. another kubuntu install coming up. I'll see you folks laterer, have a great day.
[10:34] <_ray> bye
[10:34] <_ray> fatejudger: did it work?
[10:35] <fatejudger> _ray: yeah
[10:35] <fatejudger> I can't figure out though
[10:35] <fatejudger> where it installed to
[10:36] <_ray> fatejudger: in term do a ........sudo updatedb
[10:37] <TestMAD> i need to stop using linux...
[10:37] <_ray> TestMAD: whats wrong
[10:38] <TestMAD> ive noticed that since using linux..ive been up to no good..hehe
[10:38] <fatejudger> _ray: what does that do?
[10:38] <_ray> fatejudger: now you can locate things........do a ....locate gaim
[10:38] <_ray> TestMAD: no good...like?
[10:39] <TestMAD> lets just say its sooooo easy to bad things with the right tools...
[10:39] <_ray> TestMAD: oooooo i need to know how to do bad things
[10:39] <TestMAD> and the *nix community has some of those "right" tools
[10:40] <mikejoeno> hey guys
[10:40] <_ray> hello
[10:40] <mikejoeno> im trying to install kubuntu
[10:40] <Rogue_Jedi_X> hiya
[10:40] <_ray> mikejoeno: ok cool
[10:40] <_ray> mikejoeno: are you having a problem?
[10:41] <mikejoeno> but when i put in sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop it gives me:
[10:41] <mikejoeno> reading package lists....Done
[10:41] <mikejoeno> Building dependancy tree.... done
[10:42] <mikejoeno> E: couldn't find package kubuntu-desktop
[10:42] <_ray> !find kubuntu-desktop
[10:42] <ubotu> kubuntu-desktop: (Kubuntu desktop system), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.40 (hoary), Packaged size: 3 kB, Installed size: 32 kB
[10:42] <mikejoeno> ?
[10:43] <mikejoeno> im kinda new
[10:43] <Rogue_Jedi_X> What's in your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[10:43] <_ray> mikejoeno: did you edit your sources
[10:43] <mikejoeno> no
[10:43] <mikejoeno> dont think so
[10:43] <mikejoeno> its in read only
[10:44] <_ray> mikejoeno: in the term type.......sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:44] <mikejoeno> int the term?
[10:44] <mikejoeno> wheres that
[10:44] <_ray> then uncomment the lines that say universe
[10:44] <_ray> the terminal
[10:44] <_ray> uhh
[10:44] <mikejoeno> ok
[10:44] <Rogue_Jedi_X> There you go then
[10:44] <fatejudger> _ray: how do you remove gaim now?
[10:45] <fatejudger> _ray: I'm going to see if I can fix kopete
[10:45] <Rogue_Jedi_X> fatejudger: if you compiled it, go to the folder where you did that and type "sudo make uninstall"
[10:45] <mikejoeno> ok now what
[10:45] <_ray> fatejudger: fix kopete? whats wrong with it?
[10:46] <_ray> mikejoeno: now in the term do .....sudo apt-get update
[10:46] <seth_k> fatejudger, if you enable the hoary-updates repos, you'll get the fixed Kopete
[10:46] <_ray> seth_k: what was wrong with it?
[10:46] <seth_k> _ray, the version released with Hoary is now unable to connect to MSN servers
[10:47] <mikejoeno> nothing happened
[10:47] <seth_k> _ray, because of an MSN protocol change
[10:48] <_ray> mikejoeno: now try and get kubuntu
[10:48] <mikejoeno> ok
[10:49] <mikejoeno> nothing is happening
[10:49] <fatejudger> _ray: I told kopete to remember my password
[10:49] <fatejudger> _ray: and now it keeps asking for this wallet thing
[10:49] <fatejudger> _ray: to store my passwords securely
[10:50] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I hate that. I told it to go away
[10:50] <_ray> fatejudger: so either use it or dont
[10:50] <fatejudger> _ray: I can't find a way to disable it
[10:50] <liberandus> hiz
[10:50] <_ray> fatejudger: go into kwallet from the menu and disable it
[10:50] <Rogue_Jedi_X> _ray: Do you use kwallet?
[10:51] <_ray> Rogue_Jedi_X: nope
[10:51] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Just curious if it was worth the hassle
[10:51] <Rogue_Jedi_X> *it's
[10:51] <Sgeo> In general
[10:53] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Anyone know of a site where I could test out Kaffeine's integration with Konqueror?
[10:53] <_ray> Rogue_Jedi_X: if you forget passwords alot it is worth it
[10:54] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Not for me then. Thanks for the info
[10:54] <_ray> Rogue_Jedi_X: big-boys.com....not only will it test it but this website is sooo funny
[10:54] <mikejoeno> ok
[10:54] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Gotcha
[10:54] <_ray> mikejoeno: did you install it/
[10:54] <_ray> mikejoeno: did you install it?
[10:54] <mikejoeno> no
[10:54] <_ray> mikejoeno: why not
[10:54] <mikejoeno> i still need help
[10:54] <_ray> mikejoeno: whats the problem
[10:55] <mikejoeno> now when i try to install it from the term, its says:
[10:56] <mikejoeno> E: could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 permission denied)
[10:56] <mikejoeno> E: unable to lock the administration directory
[10:57] <_ray> mikejoeno: did you   .... sudo apt-get update
[10:57] <mikejoeno> (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[10:57] <mikejoeno> yeah
[10:57] <Rogue_Jedi_X> _ray: Awesome site :)
[10:57] <_ray> Rogue_Jedi_X: yeah i like it
[10:58] <_ray> Rogue_Jedi_X: does kaffine work good?
[10:58] <mikejoeno> ray?
[10:58] <_ray> mikejoeno: did you   .... sudo apt-get update
[10:58] <_ray> ?
[10:58] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Yeah, like a charm
[10:59] <_ray> Rogue_Jedi_X: nice
[10:59] <mikejoeno> yeah i did
[11:00] <_ray> mikejoeno: ok now do.............sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:00] <_ray> mikejoeno: post a copy of your sources.list in #flood
[11:01] <mikejoeno> it does stuff, then ends at E: couldn't find package kubuntu-desktop
[11:01] <mikejoeno> ok
[11:01] <fatejudger> has anyone heard of problems using shitty dell sound cards in linux?
[11:03] <fatejudger> the sound on this thing sounds all crackly
[11:03] <_ray> fatejudger: get the new versions of alsa
[11:03] <fatejudger> alsa?
[11:03] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Advanced Linux Sound Architecture
[11:03] <fatejudger> can I get that in kynaptic?
[11:04] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Of course
[11:04] <fatejudger> nice
[11:04] <fatejudger> I love these built in packages
[11:04] <_ray> fatejudger: no you cant
[11:04] <Rogue_Jedi_X> He can't?
[11:04] <_ray> fatejudger: must compile from the website
[11:05] <fatejudger> oh that sucks
[11:05] <fatejudger> well lets see if that compiles then
[11:05] <BTJustice> I like them too.  All kinds of crap to isntall if you want to, lol.
[11:05] <_ray> fatejudger: get alsadriver alsalibs alsautils and alsaoss
[11:05] <fatejudger> ?
[11:06] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Maybe he doesn't even have it installed?
[11:06] <_ray> it installs by default
[11:06] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Ah
[11:06] <_ray> but to get my sound card to work i had to compile the new alsa version
[11:06] <fatejudger> how can I test my sound without a cd
[11:06] <fatejudger> I can't seem to play CDs
[11:07] <fatejudger> lol
[11:07] <fatejudger> at least not very easily
[11:07] <fatejudger> the default player doesn't work
[11:09] <segfault2k> hi
[11:09] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hi. Nice nick
[11:09] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Very foreshadowing and so forth
[11:09] <segfault2k> ?
[11:09] <fatejudger> lol
[11:10] <BTJustice> I wish I could get my Sound Blaster Live 7.1 to work in Kubuntu.
[11:10] <segfault2k> Rogue_Jedi_X: hi :D nice nick
[11:10] <segfault2k> Very original
[11:10] <segfault2k> :D
[11:10] <BTJustice> Might anyone be able to help me with that?
[11:10] <segfault2k> Riddell: hy man :D
[11:10] <segfault2k> *hi
[11:11] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Original? Dammit. I was going for the worn out and unoriginal feel
[11:12] <fatejudger> _ray: do I have to turn on this "soundcore module"? 
[11:12] <fatejudger> oh damn
[11:12] <fatejudger> he left
[11:12] <fatejudger> wtf
[11:13] <fatejudger> oh you have to be kidding me
[11:13] <fatejudger> kernel source?
[11:14] <Rogue_Jedi_X> What about it?
[11:14] <fatejudger> it says I need to compile this into the kernel source
[11:14] <fatejudger> doesn't that mean I'd have to reinstall kubuntu?
[11:14] <fatejudger> damn this sucks
[11:14] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Nah, just the kernel-source package
[11:14] <mikejoeno> ok now i can put my list on flood
[11:15] <fatejudger> this thing is only a binary though
[11:15] <fatejudger> there isn't any kernel source on kubuntu
[11:15] <buz> there is
[11:15] <fatejudger> ?
[11:15] <fatejudger> where?
[11:15] <jimcooncat> fatejudger, slow down, it'll be ok
[11:15] <Rogue_Jedi_X> There has to be. I couldn't have compiled my nVidia driver otherwise
[11:15] <buz> you need o install it
[11:15] <fatejudger> kynaptic?
[11:15] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Bingo
[11:15] <buz> search in kynaptic for linux
[11:15] <buz> source will show up
[11:16] <buz> but probably the headers will be enough
[11:16] <fatejudger> I'm just downloading the source
[11:16] <jeff_> hey guys
[11:16] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Close enough
[11:16] <jeff_> im trying to download kibuntu
[11:16] <jeff_> *kubuntu
[11:17] <buz> good ;)
[11:17] <Rogue_Jedi_X> excellent
[11:17] <jimcooncat> I'm just doing it for first time now jeff_
[11:17] <jeff_> but every time i try i get E: couldn't find package kubuntu-desktop
[11:18] <buz> everyone who ask me, i tell to buy macs
[11:18] <buz> jeff_: what are you running now?
[11:18] <fatejudger> doesn't that mean his copy is messed up?
[11:18] <Rogue_Jedi_X> buz: But that would mean even less games for me :P
[11:18] <jeff_> Ubuntu
[11:18] <jimcooncat> So do I. But I help the guys out that say "I can't afford a Mac."
[11:18] <buz> bullshit
[11:19] <buz> mac mini is 500$
[11:19] <buz> and is plenty fast
[11:19] <fatejudger> I don't like macs
[11:19] <buz> neither do i
[11:19] <buz> but they still beat win
[11:19] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I like Big Macs
[11:19] <buz> and linux aint for grandpa
[11:19] <fatejudger> LOL
[11:19] <jimcooncat> We pooor up here buz. We use 486's we buy for $10 from the dump guy ;-)
[11:20] <jeff_> buz: i think i may be missing something in my .list
[11:20] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Same here. If I'd have to choose between a Windows machine and Mac, I'd choose the latter
[11:20] <buz> jeff_: WHAT OS are you running now
[11:20] <jeff_> buz: i said Ubuntu
[11:20] <Rogue_Jedi_X> [23:18:44]  <jeff_> Ubuntu
[11:20] <buz> must have missed that
[11:21] <buz> did you do apt-get update?
[11:21] <jeff_> yeah
[11:21] <buz> kubuntu-desktop should be in the repositories
[11:21] <buz> what repositories are you running
[11:21] <buz> using, more likely
[11:21] <fatejudger> when I downloaded the linux source it just downloaded a tarball
[11:21] <jeff_> no idea, i installed this for the first time this morning
[11:21] <fatejudger> and stuck it in the src directory
[11:21] <fatejudger> what kind of crap is this?
[11:21] <jimcooncat> jeff_, I used "sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop" a few minutes ago.
[11:22] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Odd
[11:22] <jeff_> jimcooncat: ill try it
[11:22] <Rogue_Jedi_X> fatejudger: Try downloading kernel headers then
[11:22] <jimcooncat> I got a stop a little while ago, asking if I wanted to use the gnome or kde login screen, I kept to gnome.
[11:23] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Oh, and make sure you don't have "Download package file only" ticked off anywhere
[11:23] <jimcooncat> It just finished now. I'll let you know how it went, jeff_
[11:23] <fatejudger> it says it needs the source though
[11:23] <fatejudger> in
[11:23] <fatejudger> usr/src/linux
[11:23] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Yeah, but like ray_ said earlier, it may just need the headers
[11:24] <fatejudger> ok...
[11:24] <jatos> is there anyone here who hates DRM?
[11:24] <fatejudger> everyone
[11:24] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Wuzzat?
[11:24] <fatejudger> everyone hates DRM
[11:24] <fatejudger> why is that even a question?
[11:24] <fatejudger> Digital Rights Management
[11:24] <fatejudger> it bars people from copying music and stuff
[11:24] <fatejudger> hardware
[11:24] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Oh, that. Yeah, ditto.
[11:24] <fatejudger> and software
[11:25] <fatejudger> protection
[11:25] <fatejudger> yeah
[11:25] <fatejudger> hardware DRM will suck
[11:25] <jeff_> jimcooncat: ok i just did the same thing you did, and its done already
[11:25] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Say what? HARDWARE DRM?
[11:25] <fatejudger> which linux headers do I want?
[11:25] <fatejudger> there are like
[11:25] <fatejudger> 10 different ones to choose from
[11:25] <jeff_> jimcooncat: it said it couldnt find any packages that matched that name
[11:25] <Rogue_Jedi_X> The one that says just linux-headers
[11:26] <Rogue_Jedi_X> No nvidia or ati or fglrx or whatever
[11:26] <fatejudger> they all say that
[11:26] <fatejudger> take a look
[11:26] <fatejudger> find -> linux
[11:26] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Okay, gimme a sec
[11:26] <fatejudger> kynaptic
[11:26] <fatejudger> k
[11:26] <jatos> yeah, anyone noticed how DRM doesn't work with linux?
[11:27] <Rogue_Jedi_X> GAH! Sorry, not kernel-source, kernel-headers
[11:27] <Rogue_Jedi_X> My bad, sorry
[11:27] <jeff_> i think i may be missing something in my source.list
[11:27] <fatejudger> ?
[11:27] <jatos> oh btw, I have a solution to DRM
[11:28] <jatos> sound cable, one end in sound out other in microphone
[11:28] <Rogue_Jedi_X> fatejudger: Type "kernel-headers" in Find... I get only one result
[11:28] <jatos> then just play the song and record it
[11:28] <jeff_> guys it cant find the kubuntu package
[11:28] <jimcooncat> It's alive! Kubuntu now lives on my machine, jeff_
[11:28] <fatejudger> Rogue_Jedi_X: That's precompiled
[11:28] <fatejudger> Rogue_Jedi_X: I need the source
[11:29] <fatejudger> right?
[11:29] <fatejudger> besides
[11:29] <fatejudger> this one is already installed
[11:29] <Rogue_Jedi_X> It is?
[11:29] <jeff_> damnit i want some kubuntu
[11:29] <jimcooncat> jeff_ did you get it?
[11:29] <jeff_> no, it couldnt find it jimcooncat
[11:29] <jimcooncat> jeff_: got a terminal open?
[11:29] <jeff_> yeah
[11:30] <jimcooncat> sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[11:30] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hm, I'm stumped
[11:30] <Rogue_Jedi_X> fatejudger: Could you check the version of your alsa-base package?
[11:31] <jeff_> it didnt find the package
[11:32] <fatejudger> 1.0.9b
[11:32] <fatejudger> that's the umm
[11:32] <fatejudger> driver
[11:32] <jimcooncat> someone help jeff_ out with /etc/sources.list please?
[11:32] <jeff_> i think i may be missing something on my source.list jimcooncat
[11:32] <jeff_> yea im begging you guys
[11:33] <Rogue_Jedi_X> The deb package? Or the source you just downloaded?
[11:34] <fatejudger> the source I downloaded
[11:34] <fatejudger> I have 1.0.8
[11:34] <dreamwave> hi.  i just tried to boot the latest kubuntu that includes kde 3.4.2.  right after it starts kdm, it get 5 or more messages about too many processes being started to fast and that they are being delayed for 5 minutes.   then it just hangs there.  but, a ctrl-alt-del will start the shutdown process correctly and take me to a safe reboot.  no consoles were started at all.  what's going on?
[11:34] <fatejudger> package
[11:35] <jimcooncat> jeff_ I wish I could help you with this
[11:36] <Rogue_Jedi_X> fatejudger: I'm stumped, sorry :/
[11:36] <fatejudger> about?
[11:36] <fatejudger> I still haven't installed the new driver
[11:37] <Rogue_Jedi_X> About the kernel source
[11:38] <BTJustice> If I go to /sbin and run "lspci" my SoundBlaster Live! 7.1 is found as a Creative Labs SB Audigy LS.  How can I enable it in Kubuntu so I can hear sound?
[11:38] <fatejudger> oh
[11:38] <fatejudger> kernel source
[11:38] <fatejudger> yeah
[11:38] <jeff_> will somebody please look at my sources.list for me and see why i cant find kibuntu
[11:39] <fatejudger> I tried untarring it
[11:39] <fatejudger> and it didn't work
[11:39] <fatejudger> like
[11:39] <fatejudger> it was missing files
[11:39] <jeff_> jimcooncat, thanks anyway man
[11:40] <jimcooncat> I must say that kubuntu is very slick so far, and thanks to you folks who helped me with it. jeff_ I'll look up your thing in the ubuntuguide
[11:40] <BTJustice> jeff:  I don't think it is listed as Kubuntu.  You simply get KDE from Synaptic.  Not all of KDE, but like the core and whatever else you want.
[11:41] <jimcooncat> jeff_ check out http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[11:41] <jeff_> ok, thanks jimcooncat
[11:42] <jimcooncat> sorry to any ops that dislike using the guide...
[11:42] <Rogue_Jedi_X> fatejudger: Just untared the source myself. No problems
[11:42] <fatejudger> well yeah
[11:42] <fatejudger> I can untar it
[11:42] <fatejudger> but it's missing a file
[11:42] <fatejudger> I gues
[11:42] <fatejudger> *guess
[11:42] <fatejudger> checking for kernel version... The file /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h does not exist.
[11:43] <jimcooncat> fatejudger, what are you installing, please?
[11:43] <fatejudger> that stupid sound driver
[11:43] <fatejudger> alsa
[11:44] <jimcooncat> fatejudger, I haven't need to try this, but did you check out: http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly  ?
[11:44] <jimcooncat> It has an alsa install in it.
[11:44] <jeff_> so this is what i should do jimcooncat?
[11:46] <fatejudger> I don't think that's my problem
[11:46] <jimcooncat> jeff_: works for me. If you don't use Backports, you should comment out those lines with a # mark
[11:46] <fatejudger> my sound is all scratchy
[11:46] <fatejudger> because I have some crappy proprietary dell-only sound card
[11:47] <fatejudger> I have to get that alsa thing working
[11:48] <jimcooncat> fatejudger: stupid q, but has the sound ever come out good out of this card?
[11:48] <fatejudger> yeah, this alsa release I have on here
[11:48] <fatejudger> is several months old
[11:48] <fatejudger> no, it hasn't
[11:48] <fatejudger> well wait
[11:48] <fatejudger> do you mean
[11:48] <fatejudger> like in Windows too?
[11:48] <fatejudger> it works great in Windows
[11:48] <fatejudger> but like
[11:48] <fatejudger> that's because it has the right driver
[11:48] <jimcooncat> I was wondering if it might be a hardware prob., that's all
[11:53] <fatejudger> is there another source I can download?
[11:53] <fatejudger> I don't think one is very good
[11:56] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I'd really like to help since I had the exact same problem on Mandrake and my Muse XL card, but I was lucky since the next version of Mandrake came out days later after I first installed it and after installing that, it worked