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rob^dam12:34
rob^missed him12:34
rob^where are the HTML versions of man pages stored on the system?12:57
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Nafallowiki-guru wanted. anyone? :-)01:11
rob^umm shoot01:11
squinni'll see what i can do, Nafallo ?01:11
Nafallowhat do I type to get <br />? :-)01:12
squinnlemme look01:12
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Nafallosquinn: sure :-)01:12
rob^hmm how does one do eg. man:/usr/share/man/man1/xine.1.gz  in xml?01:14
squinnWould it be [[BR] ] ?01:14
Nafallosquinn: yay! thanx! :-)01:14
rob^I want to link to man pages01:16
rob^html ones so yelp displays it01:17
rob^but stuffed if I can work it out01:17
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squinnhey jeffsch03:56
squinni'm just working on some stuff, then i'll be off to patching style guide03:56
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jeffschcool03:56
Madpilothi all04:01
Madpilotrob^:  you around?04:01
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rob^yes04:42
rob^mgalvin, did you get my email?04:43
Madpilotrob^: question - you've done a bunch of work on UbutuHowComeDraft - what's your opinion on merging it with LinuxIntro, which covers most of the same territory?04:45
Madpilotperhaps merge into a new page called UbuntuIntro?04:45
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mgalvinrob^: which, about yelp?04:46
rob^yeah04:47
Madpilotrob^: question - you've done a bunch of work on UbutuHowComeDraft - what's your opinion on merging it with LinuxIntro, which covers most of the same territory?04:47
Madpilotperhaps merge into a new page called UbuntuIntro?04:47
Madpilot(sorry for the repeat, everyone else. hadn't noticed that Rob had disconnected...)04:47
mgalvinyeah I got it04:47
rob^Madpilot, I haven't really looked at it, but do what you think is approprate04:47
rob^mgalvin, I'm thinking we could release as XML in breezy now due to that04:48
Madpilotrob^: ok, I'll run with it later tonight. I should post something to the mailing list about it too04:48
rob^ok, sounds good I check it out then04:49
mgalvini think froud went to great lenghts to prove that releasing the docs as html would be best(at the time yelp was not working properly)...04:49
mgalvinhe would be the one to convince... if it works as xml I am fine with it but a lot has been done to get the docs building as html...04:50
rob^ok04:51
mgalvinand the html version of kubuntu-docs is already in breezy and being uploaded weekly04:51
rob^I'll bring it up with him, I just thought it looks much nicer in xml and you also get that side bar04:51
mgalvinso, it is great that yelp isn't broken anymore, but i don't think we should completly toss the idea of using html docs04:52
mgalvinit does look nicer...04:52
mgalvinmaybe we can ship the xml if it works everywhere and use the html in some other way04:52
rob^no, I'm not tossing it, I'm just suggesting xml04:52
mgalvini know i understand04:52
rob^maybe needs to be a mailing list discussion04:53
mgalvini am not religiously for or against using one or the other04:53
mgalvinyup04:53
rob^I'll send off an email later about it04:54
mgalvinhow does khelpcenter deal with it04:54
rob^yeah, see I haven't checked that04:54
rob^ok, cool, thought I'd let everyone know that it works04:55
rob^I'll suggest it on the list04:55
mgalvinyeah, i am glad to know it is working now, i would not have even looked at it again until after breezy04:55
mgalvinsounds good04:56
mgalvinbrb04:56
rob^neither, it was only because I was looking for a way to link man pages into the FAQ did I try yelp04:56
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rob^I gtg cya05:01
mgalvinlater rob^05:02
mgalvinrob^: do you have any pending faqguide commits05:18
mgalvini want to run xmlindent on it to clean it up, some of the indentation is getting pretty messy05:18
mgalvini know it mirror but it bothers me ;p05:19
mgalviner, s/mirror/minor/05:21
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Burgundaviais that svn commit I just saw?06:09
mgalvinhehe, yea finially have a little time to review and write a little bit06:31
jeffschBurgundavia, mgalvin: can you open faqguide in yelp? I am seeing problems. I want to make sure it's not just me.06:31
jeffschproblems with the way yelp displays qandasets06:32
mgalvinjeffsch: i still see this issue where the Q:06:32
mgalvinare all the way to the right06:32
mgalvinand the &ubuntu;&kubuntu;06:33
mgalvin's06:33
jeffschyes. and also xrefs to qandaentry's06:33
mgalvinshow up as UbuntuKubuntu06:33
mgalvinyea06:33
jeffschrats :(06:33
mgalvinmight that just be an issue with the css possibly?06:34
mgalvindoes yelp even work with profiled docs? it doesn't seem to :-/06:36
jeffschiirc, yelp doesn't do profiling06:37
mgalvinin which case we simply can't use it for the faqguide06:38
mgalvindirecly anyway06:38
jeffschat least not yet... maybe qandasets are still a work in progress, and could be ready for breezy06:40
jeffschbut then there's the profiling thing...06:44
Burgundaviagiven we are almost at breezy feature freeze and have passed gnome 2.12 feature freeze I doubt it06:45
jeffschhmmm.... life would be easier if yelp didn't suck... then we wouldn't need to consider html releases06:48
jeffschoh well, live with the hand you're dealt :)06:48
Burgundaviaanybody else think that category UDU means absolutely nothing?06:49
mgalvinBurgundavia: agreed, to late now to try a change especially since there are still very clear issues with it06:50
mgalvinjeffsch, it would be nice if things didn't suck :)06:51
jeffschhehe06:52
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mgalvinlater all07:09
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Burgundaviarob^, can I make a request of you? Not to respond to ubuntu-doc stuff from your work addy. It totally breaks threads09:37
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jsgotangcohi all10:31
Burgundaviasalut jsgotangco 10:37
Burgundavianight10:41
rob^hey whats the target to make the Kubuntu faq again?11:39
jsgotangcoheh i dont remember at all11:40
jsgotangcojeez11:40
rob^ah stuff it, I'll just do make faq11:40
rob^build the whole lot11:40
jsgotangcohows the Mr. Incredible show11:40
jsgotangcoheh11:40
rob^I was making ballon animals11:41
rob^fun fun11:42
jsgotangcoheh i should buy those ballon animal kits11:42
jsgotangcoim so tired of making pingu clay figures for my daughter11:42
rob^heh11:43
rob^It starts getting annoying when you pop a few :)11:43
jsgotangcoi was just reading emails11:43
jsgotangcoi noticed that you work for the defence dept?11:43
rob^yeah11:43
jsgotangcoso you're in canberra?11:43
rob^dam email address11:43
jsgotangcoheh11:43
rob^no, up north11:44
jsgotangcoheh but you started using gmail lately11:44
jsgotangcosmart11:44
rob^yeah at home, we are not allowed to use gmail11:44
rob^whist theres nothing stopping me, its policy really11:45
jsgotangcoahh yeah well you work in a sensitive area anyways11:45
rob^and yeah, gmail pop3 is all good11:45
rob^yep11:45
rob^I still haven't worked out a way to ssh from their network11:46
rob^so I can work on the faq at work :)11:46
jsgotangcolol are you even allowed to do that at work (ssh)11:46
rob^only into the solaris servers I administer11:47
rob^even then its supposed to be plain telnet11:47
rob^I refuse to use it11:47
jsgotangcoahh11:47
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rob^admin rights on the windows network helps too :)11:48
rob^its the routers that are screwing me getting out11:49
rob^I'm sure of it11:49
highvoltagerob^: you're *supposed* to use telnet instead of ssh!?11:49
rob^sadly, yes11:49
jsgotangcolovely isnt it11:50
rob^ever tried writing a long shell script using vi with windows telnet11:50
rob^the scrollback on it sucks11:51
jsgotangcoits been raining all day here it sucks11:51
rob^its cold here.. 18C11:52
rob^wtf11:53
rob^why is the GPL in the kubuntu faq?11:53
rob^hmm11:55
jsgotangcoeh?11:55
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jsgotangcoKUDOS?11:55
jsgotangcoah11:55
rob^no11:55
rob^I cant see how that is getting in there11:55
rob^and when you build the gnome version its not11:56
rob^shit11:56
jsgotangcoare you looking at faqguide.xml in generic11:56
rob^yes11:56
jsgotangcolet me check11:56
rob^is the make file doing it?11:57
jsgotangcomost likely if your gnome version doesnt have it11:58
jsgotangcothe source only has our usual 2 licenses11:58
rob^yeah thats what I'm seeing too11:58
rob^ah12:00
rob^I can see whats happening12:00
rob^make faq isn't building the Kubuntu faq anymore for some reason12:00
rob^thats why I couldn't find it before12:00
rob^that is an old version incorrectly licensed12:01
rob^thats weard, it was making the kubuntu faq before12:01
jsgotangcoi'll bbl first and settle things with dinner and family12:02
jsgotangco:)12:02
rob^cya12:02
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jsgotangcohi all03:58
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jsgotangconight05:18
highvoltagehi, where can i find documentation regarding the ubuntu kickstarter?06:32
highvoltagei searched the wiki, but the kickstart links don't work.06:33
highvoltagedid you guys see, that the FAQ refers to ubuntuguide? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions06:43
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