[12:34] <rob^> dam
[12:34] <rob^> missed him
[12:57] <rob^> where are the HTML versions of man pages stored on the system?
[01:11] <Nafallo> wiki-guru wanted. anyone? :-)
[01:11] <rob^> umm shoot
[01:11] <squinn> i'll see what i can do, Nafallo ?
[01:12] <Nafallo> what do I type to get <br />? :-)
[01:12] <squinn> lemme look
[01:12] <Nafallo> squinn: sure :-)
[01:14] <rob^> hmm how does one do eg. man:/usr/share/man/man1/xine.1.gz  in xml?
[01:14] <squinn> Would it be [[BR] ] ?
[01:14] <Nafallo> squinn: yay! thanx! :-)
[01:16] <rob^> I want to link to man pages
[01:17] <rob^> html ones so yelp displays it
[01:17] <rob^> but stuffed if I can work it out
[03:56] <squinn> hey jeffsch
[03:56] <squinn> i'm just working on some stuff, then i'll be off to patching style guide
[03:56] <jeffsch> cool
[04:01] <Madpilot> hi all
[04:01] <Madpilot> rob^:  you around?
[04:42] <rob^> yes
[04:43] <rob^> mgalvin, did you get my email?
[04:45] <Madpilot> rob^: question - you've done a bunch of work on UbutuHowComeDraft - what's your opinion on merging it with LinuxIntro, which covers most of the same territory?
[04:45] <Madpilot> perhaps merge into a new page called UbuntuIntro?
[04:46] <mgalvin> rob^: which, about yelp?
[04:47] <rob^> yeah
[04:47] <Madpilot> rob^: question - you've done a bunch of work on UbutuHowComeDraft - what's your opinion on merging it with LinuxIntro, which covers most of the same territory?
[04:47] <Madpilot> perhaps merge into a new page called UbuntuIntro?
[04:47] <Madpilot> (sorry for the repeat, everyone else. hadn't noticed that Rob had disconnected...)
[04:47] <mgalvin> yeah I got it
[04:47] <rob^> Madpilot, I haven't really looked at it, but do what you think is approprate
[04:48] <rob^> mgalvin, I'm thinking we could release as XML in breezy now due to that
[04:48] <Madpilot> rob^: ok, I'll run with it later tonight. I should post something to the mailing list about it too
[04:49] <rob^> ok, sounds good I check it out then
[04:49] <mgalvin> i think froud went to great lenghts to prove that releasing the docs as html would be best(at the time yelp was not working properly)...
[04:50] <mgalvin> he would be the one to convince... if it works as xml I am fine with it but a lot has been done to get the docs building as html...
[04:51] <rob^> ok
[04:51] <mgalvin> and the html version of kubuntu-docs is already in breezy and being uploaded weekly
[04:51] <rob^> I'll bring it up with him, I just thought it looks much nicer in xml and you also get that side bar
[04:52] <mgalvin> so, it is great that yelp isn't broken anymore, but i don't think we should completly toss the idea of using html docs
[04:52] <mgalvin> it does look nicer...
[04:52] <mgalvin> maybe we can ship the xml if it works everywhere and use the html in some other way
[04:52] <rob^> no, I'm not tossing it, I'm just suggesting xml
[04:52] <mgalvin> i know i understand
[04:53] <rob^> maybe needs to be a mailing list discussion
[04:53] <mgalvin> i am not religiously for or against using one or the other
[04:53] <mgalvin> yup
[04:54] <rob^> I'll send off an email later about it
[04:54] <mgalvin> how does khelpcenter deal with it
[04:54] <rob^> yeah, see I haven't checked that
[04:55] <rob^> ok, cool, thought I'd let everyone know that it works
[04:55] <rob^> I'll suggest it on the list
[04:55] <mgalvin> yeah, i am glad to know it is working now, i would not have even looked at it again until after breezy
[04:56] <mgalvin> sounds good
[04:56] <mgalvin> brb
[04:56] <rob^> neither, it was only because I was looking for a way to link man pages into the FAQ did I try yelp
[05:01] <rob^> I gtg cya
[05:02] <mgalvin> later rob^
[05:18] <mgalvin> rob^: do you have any pending faqguide commits
[05:18] <mgalvin> i want to run xmlindent on it to clean it up, some of the indentation is getting pretty messy
[05:19] <mgalvin> i know it mirror but it bothers me ;p
[05:21] <mgalvin> er, s/mirror/minor/
[06:09] <Burgundavia> is that svn commit I just saw?
[06:31] <mgalvin> hehe, yea finially have a little time to review and write a little bit
[06:31] <jeffsch> Burgundavia, mgalvin: can you open faqguide in yelp? I am seeing problems. I want to make sure it's not just me.
[06:32] <jeffsch> problems with the way yelp displays qandasets
[06:32] <mgalvin> jeffsch: i still see this issue where the Q:
[06:32] <mgalvin> are all the way to the right
[06:33] <mgalvin> and the &ubuntu;&kubuntu;
[06:33] <mgalvin> 's
[06:33] <jeffsch> yes. and also xrefs to qandaentry's
[06:33] <mgalvin> show up as UbuntuKubuntu
[06:33] <mgalvin> yea
[06:33] <jeffsch> rats :(
[06:34] <mgalvin> might that just be an issue with the css possibly?
[06:36] <mgalvin> does yelp even work with profiled docs? it doesn't seem to :-/
[06:37] <jeffsch> iirc, yelp doesn't do profiling
[06:38] <mgalvin> in which case we simply can't use it for the faqguide
[06:38] <mgalvin> direcly anyway
[06:40] <jeffsch> at least not yet... maybe qandasets are still a work in progress, and could be ready for breezy
[06:44] <jeffsch> but then there's the profiling thing...
[06:45] <Burgundavia> given we are almost at breezy feature freeze and have passed gnome 2.12 feature freeze I doubt it
[06:48] <jeffsch> hmmm.... life would be easier if yelp didn't suck... then we wouldn't need to consider html releases
[06:48] <jeffsch> oh well, live with the hand you're dealt :)
[06:49] <Burgundavia> anybody else think that category UDU means absolutely nothing?
[06:50] <mgalvin> Burgundavia: agreed, to late now to try a change especially since there are still very clear issues with it
[06:51] <mgalvin> jeffsch, it would be nice if things didn't suck :)
[06:52] <jeffsch> hehe
[07:09] <mgalvin> later all
[09:37] <Burgundavia> rob^, can I make a request of you? Not to respond to ubuntu-doc stuff from your work addy. It totally breaks threads
[10:31] <jsgotangco> hi all
[10:37] <Burgundavia> salut jsgotangco 
[10:41] <Burgundavia> night
[11:39] <rob^> hey whats the target to make the Kubuntu faq again?
[11:40] <jsgotangco> heh i dont remember at all
[11:40] <jsgotangco> jeez
[11:40] <rob^> ah stuff it, I'll just do make faq
[11:40] <rob^> build the whole lot
[11:40] <jsgotangco> hows the Mr. Incredible show
[11:40] <jsgotangco> heh
[11:41] <rob^> I was making ballon animals
[11:42] <rob^> fun fun
[11:42] <jsgotangco> heh i should buy those ballon animal kits
[11:42] <jsgotangco> im so tired of making pingu clay figures for my daughter
[11:43] <rob^> heh
[11:43] <rob^> It starts getting annoying when you pop a few :)
[11:43] <jsgotangco> i was just reading emails
[11:43] <jsgotangco> i noticed that you work for the defence dept?
[11:43] <rob^> yeah
[11:43] <jsgotangco> so you're in canberra?
[11:43] <rob^> dam email address
[11:43] <jsgotangco> heh
[11:44] <rob^> no, up north
[11:44] <jsgotangco> heh but you started using gmail lately
[11:44] <jsgotangco> smart
[11:44] <rob^> yeah at home, we are not allowed to use gmail
[11:45] <rob^> whist theres nothing stopping me, its policy really
[11:45] <jsgotangco> ahh yeah well you work in a sensitive area anyways
[11:45] <rob^> and yeah, gmail pop3 is all good
[11:45] <rob^> yep
[11:46] <rob^> I still haven't worked out a way to ssh from their network
[11:46] <rob^> so I can work on the faq at work :)
[11:46] <jsgotangco> lol are you even allowed to do that at work (ssh)
[11:47] <rob^> only into the solaris servers I administer
[11:47] <rob^> even then its supposed to be plain telnet
[11:47] <rob^> I refuse to use it
[11:47] <jsgotangco> ahh
[11:48] <rob^> admin rights on the windows network helps too :)
[11:49] <rob^> its the routers that are screwing me getting out
[11:49] <rob^> I'm sure of it
[11:49] <highvoltage> rob^: you're *supposed* to use telnet instead of ssh!?
[11:49] <rob^> sadly, yes
[11:50] <jsgotangco> lovely isnt it
[11:50] <rob^> ever tried writing a long shell script using vi with windows telnet
[11:51] <rob^> the scrollback on it sucks
[11:51] <jsgotangco> its been raining all day here it sucks
[11:52] <rob^> its cold here.. 18C
[11:53] <rob^> wtf
[11:53] <rob^> why is the GPL in the kubuntu faq?
[11:55] <rob^> hmm
[11:55] <jsgotangco> eh?
[11:55] <jsgotangco> KUDOS?
[11:55] <jsgotangco> ah
[11:55] <rob^> no
[11:55] <rob^> I cant see how that is getting in there
[11:56] <rob^> and when you build the gnome version its not
[11:56] <rob^> shit
[11:56] <jsgotangco> are you looking at faqguide.xml in generic
[11:56] <rob^> yes
[11:56] <jsgotangco> let me check
[11:57] <rob^> is the make file doing it?
[11:58] <jsgotangco> most likely if your gnome version doesnt have it
[11:58] <jsgotangco> the source only has our usual 2 licenses
[11:58] <rob^> yeah thats what I'm seeing too
[12:00] <rob^> ah
[12:00] <rob^> I can see whats happening
[12:00] <rob^> make faq isn't building the Kubuntu faq anymore for some reason
[12:00] <rob^> thats why I couldn't find it before
[12:01] <rob^> that is an old version incorrectly licensed
[12:01] <rob^> thats weard, it was making the kubuntu faq before
[12:02] <jsgotangco> i'll bbl first and settle things with dinner and family
[12:02] <jsgotangco> :)
[12:02] <rob^> cya
[03:58] <jsgotangco> hi all
[05:18] <jsgotangco> night
[06:32] <highvoltage> hi, where can i find documentation regarding the ubuntu kickstarter?
[06:33] <highvoltage> i searched the wiki, but the kickstart links don't work.
[06:43] <highvoltage> did you guys see, that the FAQ refers to ubuntuguide? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions