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| segfault | hi | 12:47 |
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| segfault | does anyone here understand how rosetta works? :) | 12:48 |
| Nafallo | segfault: sure, you fill in the translation in the textbox under the english sentence. and you should probably be on #launchpad instead of #ubuntu-doc :-). | 12:48 |
| segfault | oh yes, i know how to translate.. hehe | 12:49 |
| segfault | i'm asking just to know if i translate something related to quickguide (e.g.), does it get automatically in the next package build? | 12:50 |
| Nafallo | the next build of language-package-CC yes. | 12:51 |
| Nafallo | but you should probably not translate those in breezy just yet. I might be wrong though. anyone else alive? :-) | 12:51 |
| segfault | yeah, that's another thing i don't know yet | 12:54 |
| segfault | if translations from hoary get imported to breezy | 12:55 |
| segfault | :/ | 12:55 |
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| Madpilot | anyone alive here? | 07:04 |
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| mgalvin | hi Madpilot | 07:07 |
| Madpilot | hi mgalvin | 07:08 |
| mgalvin | later all | 07:43 |
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| martinjh99 | Hi there - What packages do I need to install for docbooks? | 09:42 |
| Burgundavia | what do you mean? | 09:42 |
| Burgundavia | docbook is a file format | 09:42 |
| martinjh99 | I have just downloaded the docs from svn - How do I go about changing them into something I can read ie either HTML or PDF? | 09:43 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 09:43 |
| Burgundavia | you need xmlto | 09:43 |
| martinjh99 | xmltools? ;) | 09:43 |
| Burgundavia | no | 09:45 |
| Burgundavia | xmlto | 09:45 |
| martinjh99 | Ah doing that right now - Thanks! | 09:45 |
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| rob^ | hmm | 10:34 |
| Burgundavia | ? | 10:35 |
| rob^ | dam matts not here | 10:36 |
| Burgundavia | galvin? he left about 2 1/2 hours ago | 10:36 |
| rob^ | yeah | 10:36 |
| rob^ | who is Tomas Zijdemans? | 10:46 |
| Burgundavia | no idea | 10:47 |
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| mdke | morning all | 11:06 |
| Burgundavia | morning | 11:06 |
| highvoltage | morning | 11:07 |
| rob^ | umm arvo | 11:07 |
| highvoltage | mdke: your nick keeps registering as "mandrake" with me :) | 11:08 |
| mdke | bah | 11:08 |
| highvoltage | thought you would say something like that ;) | 11:08 |
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| rob^ | does anyone know who is Tomas Zijdemans? | 11:09 |
| rob^ | umm | 11:09 |
| rob^ | who he is | 11:09 |
| mdke | no | 11:12 |
| mdke | why? | 11:12 |
| rob^ | matt added him as an original author of the FAQ guide | 11:12 |
| Burgundavia | highvoltage, you should be happy to know that mono will be installed by default for Breezy | 11:12 |
| rob^ | I have never heard of him and his name is not listed on ubuntuguide.org either | 11:12 |
| mdke | rob^, is that a problem? | 11:13 |
| highvoltage | Burgundavia: I should!? | 11:13 |
| mdke | Burgundavia, wow | 11:13 |
| Burgundavia | highvoltage, just saw your comment in #ubuntu | 11:13 |
| highvoltage | ah :) | 11:13 |
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| === Burgundavia finds is ironic that it is harder to use Sun's java than to use a MS-deriving tech | ||
| rob^ | mdke, no, but I was looking at making a few alterations to that part and noticed he was added just recently | 11:14 |
| rob^ | just wondering really | 11:14 |
| mdke | i guess maybe a section added by matt was written by him? | 11:16 |
| rob^ | maybe, I'll ask him next time I see him | 11:16 |
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| mdke | i wrote something in an email recently about what to do with the ubuntu userguide, did anyone have any thoughts? | 11:18 |
| jsgotangco | hi | 11:18 |
| mdke | hi jsgotangco :) | 11:18 |
| Burgundavia | salut jsgotangco | 11:18 |
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| jsgotangco | wow its a sunday and the channel is busy | 11:19 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 11:19 |
| Burgundavia | only just sunday here | 11:19 |
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| jsgotangco | its kinda old email | 11:19 |
| rob^ | what was the subject? | 11:19 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: hehe. | 11:20 |
| Burgundavia | the only email I see is the commit stuff | 11:20 |
| mdke | http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2005-August/003167.html | 11:20 |
| highvoltage | are you guys familiar with xul? | 11:20 |
| mdke | in the second paragraph | 11:20 |
| Burgundavia | mdke, what about it? | 11:22 |
| Burgundavia | highvoltage, froud has some experience with it | 11:22 |
| rob^ | I think the FAQ Guide and Local Help would be better being one in the same | 11:22 |
| rob^ | The userguide should be the place people go for more information | 11:23 |
| mdke | Burgundavia, i wondered if people had some thoughts about what to do with the ubuntu userguide: it will clearly not get finished as it is currently specced, and its probably not useful to duplicate so much material | 11:23 |
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| jsgotangco | i agree | 11:23 |
| Burgundavia | to be honest, I would kill it | 11:23 |
| Burgundavia | I think user guides are useless | 11:23 |
| mdke | i think possibly the material that exists which described linux, gnu, and ubuntu might be useful | 11:23 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 11:24 |
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| mdke | chapter 1 here: http://tseng2.ath.cx/~ubuntu-doc/userguide/C/ | 11:24 |
| rob^ | the userguide could be a sought of "index" for upstream docs | 11:25 |
| jsgotangco | rob^: right | 11:25 |
| Burgundavia | ya | 11:25 |
| rob^ | cool | 11:25 |
| mdke | interesting idea | 11:25 |
| Burgundavia | if the gnome doc project eventually gets it act together, we can also use some of that | 11:25 |
| rob^ | yep | 11:25 |
| Burgundavia | but that is unlikely witht eh current crew | 11:26 |
| Burgundavia | they need someone to come along and do it | 11:26 |
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| Burgundavia | post-breezy, we need canonical to fund some yelp work | 11:26 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, ya right | 11:26 |
| rob^ | Burgundavia, agreed | 11:26 |
| rob^ | badly, maybe even make it a bounty or something | 11:27 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 11:27 |
| Burgundavia | it has been discussed in the breezy and hoary cycles | 11:27 |
| Burgundavia | but nothing came of it | 11:27 |
| Burgundavia | after sept, we should identify what needs to be done, and present a list to jdub/mdz | 11:27 |
| rob^ | I noticed they did some work recently on it getting qandaset to work, but it still needs work | 11:27 |
| rob^ | yep | 11:28 |
| Burgundavia | there are some patches sitting upstream that are going to miss .12 and breezy | 11:28 |
| mdke | as long as it displays html ok, we're fine IMO | 11:28 |
| rob^ | yes | 11:28 |
| rob^ | one day I would like to see xml though | 11:28 |
| Burgundavia | search and printing would be nice | 11:29 |
| mdke | yes | 11:29 |
| rob^ | it looks like a help app with xml, with html it just looks like a browser | 11:29 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, was that meant for this channel? | 11:30 |
| jsgotangco | ohh | 11:30 |
| jsgotangco | crap | 11:30 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 11:30 |
| rob^ | I wonder if we could have yelp point to some online thing that we could easily update | 11:30 |
| jsgotangco | some online thing that we can update? | 11:31 |
| rob^ | yeah | 11:31 |
| Burgundavia | a wiki or something similar? | 11:31 |
| rob^ | just a thought | 11:31 |
| jsgotangco | just point it to a wiki entry | 11:31 |
| jsgotangco | i've thought of that before | 11:31 |
| jsgotangco | extending yelp to the wiki | 11:31 |
| jsgotangco | since yelp docs are frozen | 11:31 |
| jsgotangco | your updated doc or errata should be somewhere | 11:31 |
| Burgundavia | the people who turn to help are likely not to have an internet connection | 11:31 |
| rob^ | like an online server where we could move releases of the svn repo stuff every now and then | 11:31 |
| rob^ | it could default to a set of docs on the system when there is no net connection | 11:32 |
| rob^ | but use the up to date ones when there is | 11:32 |
| mdke | why? | 11:32 |
| rob^ | then we could make changes/additions after release | 11:33 |
| mdke | we can do that now | 11:33 |
| rob^ | yes | 11:33 |
| Burgundavia | we can push it into hoary-updates | 11:33 |
| mdke | you need permission to upload to updates | 11:33 |
| rob^ | but this wouldn't require anyone to update to use it | 11:33 |
| rob^ | it would be just "there" | 11:34 |
| Burgundavia | updates are enabled by default | 11:34 |
| rob^ | I dunno, just a thought I guess | 11:34 |
| Burgundavia | it is just another repo | 11:34 |
| mdke | i quite like the current system | 11:34 |
| rob^ | maybe one day when I decided to relearn C or something I could do something :P | 11:35 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 11:35 |
| Burgundavia | bah | 11:36 |
| rob^ | we could do a simple "svn release faqguide.xml" and it would compile a html version and upload it to a web server, with Yelp pointing to that web server | 11:37 |
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| Burgundavia | hmm | 11:38 |
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| Burgundavia | I don't see this idea failing gracefully | 11:38 |
| rob^ | its just a thought, it would require a lot of work to implement properly | 11:39 |
| rob^ | and planning | 11:39 |
| Burgundavia | what I mean by failing gracefully is gaining/loosing internet connections | 11:39 |
| jsgotangco | hmmm does docbook have a tag for footnotes or something or do i make a structure workaround using xref? | 11:39 |
| rob^ | yeah, like I said a lot of planning/work would be required to account for things like this | 11:40 |
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia: do you think its a good time to start on the new quickguide now or should we wait for another milestone release | 11:41 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, we can rough the ideas in now | 11:41 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, .12 features are set, and our feature freeze is 7 days away | 11:41 |
| jsgotangco | sure we get .12 anyways | 11:42 |
| jsgotangco | bulk of the doc would be a rehash of the .12 preview | 11:42 |
| rob^ | just a question, how does feature freeze effect our documents | 11:42 |
| Burgundavia | doesn't | 11:42 |
| rob^ | good | 11:42 |
| jsgotangco | it doesn't it just gives a clear picture of what's inside | 11:42 |
| Burgundavia | our writing stops on Sept. 8 | 11:42 |
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| Burgundavia | rob^, lets kick the faq guide and local help together. I am not entirely happy with the faqguide, but it is a step in the right direction | 11:44 |
| jsgotangco | err guys | 11:44 |
| jsgotangco | don't forget our Style Guide is almost done | 11:44 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 11:44 |
| jsgotangco | once agreed to be released all docs should comply to it | 11:44 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 11:45 |
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| rob^ | Burgundavia, I think we need to go with what we have for the FAQ Guide for Breezy, but after that I'm happy to make some big changes | 11:45 |
| Burgundavia | sure | 11:45 |
| Burgundavia | I was dreaming about a better server guide already | 11:45 |
| jsgotangco | err..well not really "should" but at least please refer to it once when its done | 11:45 |
| rob^ | jsgotangco, I have had a few looks at it, good work | 11:46 |
| rob^ | its handy | 11:46 |
| jsgotangco | sure additions are always welcome to it since its supposed to be our manual | 11:46 |
| Burgundavia | mdke, that frontpage thing I sent to the list, that is a relic of those dicussions, no? | 11:47 |
| mdke | yeah | 11:47 |
| mdke | i deleted most of the others | 11:47 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 11:47 |
| mdke | just left that one because I remember you wrote it ;) | 11:47 |
| Burgundavia | I did? | 11:48 |
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| mdke | i think | 11:48 |
| Burgundavia | totally random OT link --> http://www.venganza.org/noodledoodle_bg3.jpg (Yes, it is 3am here) | 11:48 |
| jsgotangco | see you guys later we have church at 6 | 11:49 |
| rob^ | cya | 11:49 |
| jsgotangco | seems like a nice time to hang out here though | 11:49 |
| Burgundavia | I live int he wrong timezone | 11:49 |
| jsgotangco | yeah you should move in europe | 11:49 |
| Burgundavia | need to convince the gf to move as well | 11:50 |
| jsgotangco | hmmm i guess froud is getting tired of the docteam thing | 11:50 |
| jsgotangco | (for the Nth time) | 11:51 |
| Burgundavia | he also threatened to quit a while ago | 11:51 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, indeed | 11:51 |
| jsgotangco | oh he was here a few hours ago? | 11:52 |
| Burgundavia | he hasn;t been here for at least 12 hours | 11:52 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: you've been busy? | 11:54 |
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| mdke | yes | 12:04 |
| mdke | i'm at the computer less because my gf is here, and I'm spending much of that time on ubuntu-it atm | 12:05 |
| rob^ | good night all | 12:10 |
| Burgundavia | night | 12:10 |
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| highvoltage | what do you guys think about a wiki page on ubuntu with a list of irc nicks and the realnames next to them? | 03:34 |
| mdke | i don't see the need | 03:39 |
| mdke | don't people set their realnames in irc? | 03:39 |
| mdke | i think most do | 03:40 |
| highvoltage | hmmm... perhaps you're right. | 03:40 |
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| jsgotangco | hi all | 04:49 |
| highvoltage | hi jsgotangco. | 04:54 |
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