=== segfault [segfault@core-dumped.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:47] hi [12:48] does anyone here understand how rosetta works? :) [12:48] segfault: sure, you fill in the translation in the textbox under the english sentence. and you should probably be on #launchpad instead of #ubuntu-doc :-). [12:49] oh yes, i know how to translate.. hehe [12:50] i'm asking just to know if i translate something related to quickguide (e.g.), does it get automatically in the next package build? [12:51] the next build of language-package-CC yes. [12:51] but you should probably not translate those in breezy just yet. I might be wrong though. anyone else alive? :-) [12:54] yeah, that's another thing i don't know yet [12:55] if translations from hoary get imported to breezy [12:55] :/ === WaterSevenUb [~WaterSeve@bl5-40-41.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rwabel [~rwabel@gw.ptr-80-238-205-70.customer.ch.netstream.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob^ [~rob@rob-ubuntu.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rwabel [~rwabel@gw.ptr-80-238-133-252.customer.ch.netstream.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin_away is now known as mgalvin === hornbeck [~hornbeck@adsl-69-155-172-150.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ph1neas [~trillian@cpe-204-210-17-103.san.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ph1neas [~trillian@cpe-204-210-17-103.san.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [07:04] anyone alive here? === mgalvin grumbles [07:07] hi Madpilot [07:08] hi mgalvin [07:43] later all === highvoltage [~Jono@196.25.192.240] has joined #ubuntu-doc === martinjh99 [~martin@62-30-33-77.cable.ubr01.pres.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:42] Hi there - What packages do I need to install for docbooks? [09:42] what do you mean? [09:42] docbook is a file format [09:43] I have just downloaded the docs from svn - How do I go about changing them into something I can read ie either HTML or PDF? [09:43] ah [09:43] you need xmlto [09:43] xmltools? ;) [09:45] no [09:45] xmlto [09:45] Ah doing that right now - Thanks! === martinjh99 [~martin@62-30-33-77.cable.ubr01.pres.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Konversation] === rob^_ [~rob@rob-ubuntu.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:34] hmm [10:35] ? [10:36] dam matts not here [10:36] galvin? he left about 2 1/2 hours ago [10:36] yeah [10:46] who is Tomas Zijdemans? [10:47] no idea === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:06] morning all [11:06] morning [11:07] morning [11:07] umm arvo [11:08] mdke: your nick keeps registering as "mandrake" with me :) [11:08] bah [11:08] thought you would say something like that ;) === mdke shows Freddie Flintoff to rob^ === rob^ burps [11:09] does anyone know who is Tomas Zijdemans? [11:09] umm [11:09] who he is [11:12] no [11:12] why? [11:12] matt added him as an original author of the FAQ guide [11:12] highvoltage, you should be happy to know that mono will be installed by default for Breezy [11:12] I have never heard of him and his name is not listed on ubuntuguide.org either [11:13] rob^, is that a problem? [11:13] Burgundavia: I should!? [11:13] Burgundavia, wow [11:13] highvoltage, just saw your comment in #ubuntu [11:13] ah :) === highvoltage prefers python === Burgundavia finds is ironic that it is harder to use Sun's java than to use a MS-deriving tech [11:14] mdke, no, but I was looking at making a few alterations to that part and noticed he was added just recently [11:14] just wondering really [11:16] i guess maybe a section added by matt was written by him? [11:16] maybe, I'll ask him next time I see him === mdke nods === jsgotangco [~jgotangco@info1-186.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:18] i wrote something in an email recently about what to do with the ubuntu userguide, did anyone have any thoughts? [11:18] hi [11:18] hi jsgotangco :) [11:18] salut jsgotangco === rob^ looks [11:19] wow its a sunday and the channel is busy [11:19] yes [11:19] only just sunday here === rob^ can't find the email [11:19] its kinda old email [11:19] what was the subject? [11:20] jsgotangco: hehe. [11:20] the only email I see is the commit stuff [11:20] http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2005-August/003167.html [11:20] are you guys familiar with xul? [11:20] in the second paragraph [11:22] mdke, what about it? [11:22] highvoltage, froud has some experience with it [11:22] I think the FAQ Guide and Local Help would be better being one in the same [11:23] The userguide should be the place people go for more information [11:23] Burgundavia, i wondered if people had some thoughts about what to do with the ubuntu userguide: it will clearly not get finished as it is currently specced, and its probably not useful to duplicate so much material === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:23] i agree [11:23] to be honest, I would kill it [11:23] I think user guides are useless [11:23] i think possibly the material that exists which described linux, gnu, and ubuntu might be useful [11:24] yes === jsgotangco believes there is really no need for a user guide, just fix the existing upstream docs in terms of category, etc. and you have your user guide for all the apps [11:24] chapter 1 here: http://tseng2.ath.cx/~ubuntu-doc/userguide/C/ [11:25] the userguide could be a sought of "index" for upstream docs [11:25] rob^: right [11:25] ya [11:25] cool [11:25] interesting idea [11:25] if the gnome doc project eventually gets it act together, we can also use some of that [11:25] yep [11:26] but that is unlikely witht eh current crew [11:26] they need someone to come along and do it === jsgotangco shoves Burgundavia [11:26] post-breezy, we need canonical to fund some yelp work [11:26] jsgotangco, ya right [11:26] Burgundavia, agreed [11:27] badly, maybe even make it a bounty or something [11:27] yes [11:27] it has been discussed in the breezy and hoary cycles [11:27] but nothing came of it [11:27] after sept, we should identify what needs to be done, and present a list to jdub/mdz [11:27] I noticed they did some work recently on it getting qandaset to work, but it still needs work [11:28] yep [11:28] there are some patches sitting upstream that are going to miss .12 and breezy [11:28] as long as it displays html ok, we're fine IMO [11:28] yes [11:28] one day I would like to see xml though [11:29] search and printing would be nice [11:29] yes [11:29] it looks like a help app with xml, with html it just looks like a browser [11:30] jsgotangco, was that meant for this channel? [11:30] ohh [11:30] crap [11:30] heh [11:30] I wonder if we could have yelp point to some online thing that we could easily update [11:31] some online thing that we can update? [11:31] yeah [11:31] a wiki or something similar? [11:31] just a thought [11:31] just point it to a wiki entry [11:31] i've thought of that before [11:31] extending yelp to the wiki [11:31] since yelp docs are frozen [11:31] your updated doc or errata should be somewhere [11:31] the people who turn to help are likely not to have an internet connection [11:31] like an online server where we could move releases of the svn repo stuff every now and then [11:32] it could default to a set of docs on the system when there is no net connection [11:32] but use the up to date ones when there is [11:32] why? [11:33] then we could make changes/additions after release [11:33] we can do that now [11:33] yes [11:33] we can push it into hoary-updates [11:33] you need permission to upload to updates [11:33] but this wouldn't require anyone to update to use it [11:34] it would be just "there" [11:34] updates are enabled by default [11:34] I dunno, just a thought I guess [11:34] it is just another repo [11:34] i quite like the current system [11:35] maybe one day when I decided to relearn C or something I could do something :P [11:35] heh [11:36] bah [11:37] we could do a simple "svn release faqguide.xml" and it would compile a html version and upload it to a web server, with Yelp pointing to that web server === rob^ goes back into his shell [11:38] hmm === ealden [~ealden@219.90.93.162] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:38] I don't see this idea failing gracefully [11:39] its just a thought, it would require a lot of work to implement properly [11:39] and planning [11:39] what I mean by failing gracefully is gaining/loosing internet connections [11:39] hmmm does docbook have a tag for footnotes or something or do i make a structure workaround using xref? [11:40] yeah, like I said a lot of planning/work would be required to account for things like this [11:41] Burgundavia: do you think its a good time to start on the new quickguide now or should we wait for another milestone release [11:41] jsgotangco, we can rough the ideas in now [11:41] jsgotangco, .12 features are set, and our feature freeze is 7 days away [11:42] sure we get .12 anyways [11:42] bulk of the doc would be a rehash of the .12 preview [11:42] just a question, how does feature freeze effect our documents [11:42] doesn't [11:42] good [11:42] it doesn't it just gives a clear picture of what's inside [11:42] our writing stops on Sept. 8 === rob^ is about to go thru his first Ubuntu one since joining UDT === jsgotangco stress level rising [11:44] rob^, lets kick the faq guide and local help together. I am not entirely happy with the faqguide, but it is a step in the right direction [11:44] err guys [11:44] don't forget our Style Guide is almost done [11:44] yes [11:44] once agreed to be released all docs should comply to it [11:45] ok === Burgundavia confesses to have not actually read it [11:45] Burgundavia, I think we need to go with what we have for the FAQ Guide for Breezy, but after that I'm happy to make some big changes [11:45] sure [11:45] I was dreaming about a better server guide already [11:45] err..well not really "should" but at least please refer to it once when its done [11:46] jsgotangco, I have had a few looks at it, good work [11:46] its handy [11:46] sure additions are always welcome to it since its supposed to be our manual [11:47] mdke, that frontpage thing I sent to the list, that is a relic of those dicussions, no? [11:47] yeah [11:47] i deleted most of the others [11:47] ok [11:47] just left that one because I remember you wrote it ;) [11:48] I did? === Burgundavia has no recollection of this [11:48] i think [11:48] totally random OT link --> http://www.venganza.org/noodledoodle_bg3.jpg (Yes, it is 3am here) [11:49] see you guys later we have church at 6 [11:49] cya [11:49] seems like a nice time to hang out here though [11:49] I live int he wrong timezone [11:49] yeah you should move in europe [11:50] need to convince the gf to move as well [11:50] hmmm i guess froud is getting tired of the docteam thing [11:51] (for the Nth time) [11:51] he also threatened to quit a while ago [11:51] jsgotangco, indeed [11:52] oh he was here a few hours ago? [11:52] he hasn;t been here for at least 12 hours [11:54] mdke: you've been busy? === poningru [~poningru@pool-68-238-168-134.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:04] yes [12:05] i'm at the computer less because my gf is here, and I'm spending much of that time on ubuntu-it atm [12:10] good night all [12:10] night === WaterSevenUb [~WaterSeve@bl5-223-110.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [~Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [~WaterSeve@bl5-54-150.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:34] what do you guys think about a wiki page on ubuntu with a list of irc nicks and the realnames next to them? [03:39] i don't see the need [03:39] don't people set their realnames in irc? [03:40] i think most do [03:40] hmmm... perhaps you're right. === ealden [~ealden@219.90.93.162] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [~jgotangco@info1-254.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:49] hi all [04:54] hi jsgotangco. === Mez [~Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [~poningru@pool-68-238-172-180.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [~Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [~Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [~Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [~Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zAo^ [~zao@zAo.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zAo^ [~zao@zAo.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [~Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc