[12:47] <segfault> hi
[12:48] <segfault> does anyone here understand how rosetta works? :)
[12:48] <Nafallo> segfault: sure, you fill in the translation in the textbox under the english sentence. and you should probably be on #launchpad instead of #ubuntu-doc :-).
[12:49] <segfault> oh yes, i know how to translate.. hehe
[12:50] <segfault> i'm asking just to know if i translate something related to quickguide (e.g.), does it get automatically in the next package build?
[12:51] <Nafallo> the next build of language-package-CC yes.
[12:51] <Nafallo> but you should probably not translate those in breezy just yet. I might be wrong though. anyone else alive? :-)
[12:54] <segfault> yeah, that's another thing i don't know yet
[12:55] <segfault> if translations from hoary get imported to breezy
[12:55] <segfault> :/
[07:04] <Madpilot> anyone alive here?
[07:07] <mgalvin> hi Madpilot
[07:08] <Madpilot> hi mgalvin
[07:43] <mgalvin> later all
[09:42] <martinjh99> Hi there - What packages do I need to install for docbooks?
[09:42] <Burgundavia> what do you mean?
[09:42] <Burgundavia> docbook is a file format
[09:43] <martinjh99> I have just downloaded the docs from svn - How do I go about changing them into something I can read ie either HTML or PDF?
[09:43] <Burgundavia> ah
[09:43] <Burgundavia> you need xmlto
[09:43] <martinjh99> xmltools? ;)
[09:45] <Burgundavia> no
[09:45] <Burgundavia> xmlto
[09:45] <martinjh99> Ah doing that right now - Thanks!
[10:34] <rob^> hmm
[10:35] <Burgundavia> ?
[10:36] <rob^> dam matts not here
[10:36] <Burgundavia> galvin? he left about 2 1/2 hours ago
[10:36] <rob^> yeah
[10:46] <rob^> who is Tomas Zijdemans?
[10:47] <Burgundavia> no idea
[11:06] <mdke> morning all
[11:06] <Burgundavia> morning
[11:07] <highvoltage> morning
[11:07] <rob^> umm arvo
[11:08] <highvoltage> mdke: your nick keeps registering as "mandrake" with me :)
[11:08] <mdke> bah
[11:08] <highvoltage> thought you would say something like that ;)
[11:09] <rob^> does anyone know who is Tomas Zijdemans?
[11:09] <rob^> umm
[11:09] <rob^> who he is
[11:12] <mdke> no
[11:12] <mdke> why?
[11:12] <rob^> matt added him as an original author of the FAQ guide
[11:12] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, you should be happy to know that mono will be installed by default for Breezy
[11:12] <rob^> I have never heard of him and his name is not listed on ubuntuguide.org either
[11:13] <mdke> rob^, is that a problem?
[11:13] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: I should!?
[11:13] <mdke> Burgundavia, wow
[11:13] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, just saw your comment in #ubuntu
[11:13] <highvoltage> ah :)
[11:14] <rob^> mdke, no, but I was looking at making a few alterations to that part and noticed he was added just recently
[11:14] <rob^> just wondering really
[11:16] <mdke> i guess maybe a section added by matt was written by him?
[11:16] <rob^> maybe, I'll ask him next time I see him
[11:18] <mdke> i wrote something in an email recently about what to do with the ubuntu userguide, did anyone have any thoughts?
[11:18] <jsgotangco> hi
[11:18] <mdke> hi jsgotangco :)
[11:18] <Burgundavia> salut jsgotangco 
[11:19] <jsgotangco> wow its a sunday and the channel is busy
[11:19] <Burgundavia> yes
[11:19] <Burgundavia> only just sunday here
[11:19] <jsgotangco> its kinda old email
[11:19] <rob^> what was the subject?
[11:20] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: hehe.
[11:20] <Burgundavia> the only email I see is the commit stuff
[11:20] <mdke> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2005-August/003167.html
[11:20] <highvoltage> are you guys familiar with xul?
[11:20] <mdke> in the second paragraph
[11:22] <Burgundavia> mdke, what about it?
[11:22] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, froud has some experience with it
[11:22] <rob^> I think the FAQ Guide and Local Help would be better being one in the same
[11:23] <rob^> The userguide should be the place people go for more information
[11:23] <mdke> Burgundavia, i wondered if people had some thoughts about what to do with the ubuntu userguide: it will clearly not get finished as it is currently specced, and its probably not useful to duplicate so much material
[11:23] <jsgotangco> i agree
[11:23] <Burgundavia> to be honest, I would kill it
[11:23] <Burgundavia> I think user guides are useless
[11:23] <mdke> i think possibly the material that exists which described linux, gnu, and ubuntu might be useful
[11:24] <Burgundavia> yes
[11:24] <mdke> chapter 1 here: http://tseng2.ath.cx/~ubuntu-doc/userguide/C/
[11:25] <rob^> the userguide could be a sought of "index" for upstream docs
[11:25] <jsgotangco> rob^: right
[11:25] <Burgundavia> ya
[11:25] <rob^> cool
[11:25] <mdke> interesting idea
[11:25] <Burgundavia> if the gnome doc project eventually gets it act together, we can also use some of that
[11:25] <rob^> yep
[11:26] <Burgundavia> but that is unlikely witht eh current crew
[11:26] <Burgundavia> they need someone to come along and do it
[11:26] <Burgundavia> post-breezy, we need canonical to fund some yelp work
[11:26] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, ya right
[11:26] <rob^> Burgundavia, agreed
[11:27] <rob^> badly, maybe even make it a bounty or something
[11:27] <Burgundavia> yes
[11:27] <Burgundavia> it has been discussed in the breezy and hoary cycles
[11:27] <Burgundavia> but nothing came of it
[11:27] <Burgundavia> after sept, we should identify what needs to be done, and present a list to jdub/mdz
[11:27] <rob^> I noticed they did some work recently on it getting qandaset to work, but it still needs work
[11:28] <rob^> yep
[11:28] <Burgundavia> there are some patches sitting upstream that are going to miss .12 and breezy
[11:28] <mdke> as long as it displays html ok, we're fine IMO
[11:28] <rob^> yes
[11:28] <rob^> one day I would like to see xml though
[11:29] <Burgundavia> search and printing would be nice
[11:29] <mdke> yes
[11:29] <rob^> it looks like a help app with xml, with html it just looks like a browser
[11:30] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, was that meant for this channel?
[11:30] <jsgotangco> ohh
[11:30] <jsgotangco> crap
[11:30] <jsgotangco> heh
[11:30] <rob^> I wonder if we could have yelp point to some online thing that we could easily update
[11:31] <jsgotangco> some online thing that we can update?
[11:31] <rob^> yeah
[11:31] <Burgundavia> a wiki or something similar?
[11:31] <rob^> just a thought
[11:31] <jsgotangco> just point it to a wiki entry
[11:31] <jsgotangco> i've thought of that before
[11:31] <jsgotangco> extending yelp to the wiki
[11:31] <jsgotangco> since yelp docs are frozen
[11:31] <jsgotangco> your updated doc or errata should be somewhere
[11:31] <Burgundavia> the people who turn to help are likely not to have an internet connection
[11:31] <rob^> like an online server where we could move releases of the svn repo stuff every now and then
[11:32] <rob^> it could default to a set of docs on the system when there is no net connection
[11:32] <rob^> but use the up to date ones when there is
[11:32] <mdke> why?
[11:33] <rob^> then we could make changes/additions after release
[11:33] <mdke> we can do that now
[11:33] <rob^> yes
[11:33] <Burgundavia> we can push it into hoary-updates
[11:33] <mdke> you need permission to upload to updates
[11:33] <rob^> but this wouldn't require anyone to update to use it
[11:34] <rob^> it would be just "there"
[11:34] <Burgundavia> updates are enabled by default
[11:34] <rob^> I dunno, just a thought I guess
[11:34] <Burgundavia> it is just another repo
[11:34] <mdke> i quite like the current system
[11:35] <rob^> maybe one day when I decided to relearn C or something I could do something :P
[11:35] <jsgotangco> heh
[11:36] <Burgundavia> bah
[11:37] <rob^> we could do a simple "svn release faqguide.xml" and it would compile a html version and upload it to a web server, with Yelp pointing to that web server
[11:38] <Burgundavia> hmm
[11:38] <Burgundavia> I don't see this idea failing gracefully
[11:39] <rob^> its just a thought, it would require a lot of work to implement properly
[11:39] <rob^> and planning
[11:39] <Burgundavia> what I mean by failing gracefully is gaining/loosing internet connections
[11:39] <jsgotangco> hmmm does docbook have a tag for footnotes or something or do i make a structure workaround using xref?
[11:40] <rob^> yeah, like I said a lot of planning/work would be required to account for things like this
[11:41] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: do you think its a good time to start on the new quickguide now or should we wait for another milestone release
[11:41] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, we can rough the ideas in now
[11:41] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, .12 features are set, and our feature freeze is 7 days away
[11:42] <jsgotangco> sure we get .12 anyways
[11:42] <jsgotangco> bulk of the doc would be a rehash of the .12 preview
[11:42] <rob^> just a question, how does feature freeze effect our documents
[11:42] <Burgundavia> doesn't
[11:42] <rob^> good
[11:42] <jsgotangco> it doesn't it just gives a clear picture of what's inside
[11:42] <Burgundavia> our writing stops on Sept. 8
[11:44] <Burgundavia> rob^, lets kick the faq guide and local help together. I am not entirely happy with the faqguide, but it is a step in the right direction
[11:44] <jsgotangco> err guys
[11:44] <jsgotangco> don't forget our Style Guide is almost done
[11:44] <Burgundavia> yes
[11:44] <jsgotangco> once agreed to be released all docs should comply to it
[11:45] <Burgundavia> ok
[11:45] <rob^> Burgundavia, I think we need to go with what we have for the FAQ Guide for Breezy, but after that I'm happy to make some big changes
[11:45] <Burgundavia> sure
[11:45] <Burgundavia> I was dreaming about a better server guide already
[11:45] <jsgotangco> err..well not really "should" but at least please refer to it once when its done
[11:46] <rob^> jsgotangco, I have had a few looks at it, good work
[11:46] <rob^> its handy
[11:46] <jsgotangco> sure additions are always welcome to it since its supposed to be our manual
[11:47] <Burgundavia> mdke, that frontpage thing I sent to the list, that is a relic of those dicussions, no?
[11:47] <mdke> yeah
[11:47] <mdke> i deleted most of the others
[11:47] <Burgundavia> ok
[11:47] <mdke> just left that one because I remember you wrote it ;)
[11:48] <Burgundavia> I did?
[11:48] <mdke> i think
[11:48] <Burgundavia> totally random OT link --> http://www.venganza.org/noodledoodle_bg3.jpg (Yes, it is 3am here)
[11:49] <jsgotangco> see you guys later we have church at 6
[11:49] <rob^> cya
[11:49] <jsgotangco> seems like a nice time to hang out here though
[11:49] <Burgundavia> I live int he wrong timezone
[11:49] <jsgotangco> yeah you should move in europe
[11:50] <Burgundavia> need to convince the gf to move as well
[11:50] <jsgotangco> hmmm i guess froud is getting tired of the docteam thing
[11:51] <jsgotangco> (for the Nth time)
[11:51] <Burgundavia> he also threatened to quit a while ago
[11:51] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, indeed
[11:52] <jsgotangco> oh he was here a few hours ago?
[11:52] <Burgundavia> he hasn;t been here for at least 12 hours
[11:54] <jsgotangco> mdke: you've been busy?
[12:04] <mdke> yes
[12:05] <mdke> i'm at the computer less because my gf is here, and I'm spending much of that time on ubuntu-it atm
[12:10] <rob^> good night all
[12:10] <Burgundavia> night
[03:34] <highvoltage> what do you guys think about a wiki page on ubuntu with a list of irc nicks and the realnames next to them?
[03:39] <mdke> i don't see the need
[03:39] <mdke> don't people set their realnames in irc?
[03:40] <mdke> i think most do
[03:40] <highvoltage> hmmm... perhaps you're right.
[04:49] <jsgotangco> hi all
[04:54] <highvoltage> hi jsgotangco.