[12:32] <Mez> Riddell, ping
[12:35] <Riddell> Mez: hi
[12:36] <Mez> Riddell: I did a rebuild fo kynaptic against the new apt ABI
[12:36] <Mez> wanna sponsor it
[12:38] <Riddell> Mez: sure
[12:39] <Mez> Riddell, just uploading now :D
[12:39] <Mez> http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~mez/kynaptic/
[12:40] <Mez> I'll let you know when it's uploaded
[12:40] <Riddell> tvo: interesting http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106066
[12:41] <tvo> Riddell: thanks, will adapt kio-locate docs too
[12:42] <Mez> Riddell, uploaded
[12:42] <Mez> http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~mez/kynaptic/
[12:55] <Mez> Riddell: you get the link to the upload?
[01:06] <Riddell> Mez: yeah got it, any changes made or just a rebuild?
[02:23] <tvo> yo, got kdelibs and kdebase compiled.. so now running 3.4.1 and 3.5..
[02:23] <tvo> off to test my patch..
[03:06] <Mez> Riddell: I've come accross a sort of, but in kde-systemsettings
[03:08] <Riddell> bug?
[03:09] <Mez> yeah
[03:09] <Mez> when i click anything, it resizes the window to smaller than it's contents
[03:10] <Mez> and then when i try to maximise, it just shows the main screen of KDESystemsettings outside of where the window bporders previously were
[03:11] <Mez> lemme upload a screeny
[03:11] <Riddell> weird, I don't see that at all
[03:11] <Mez> Riddell
[03:11] <Mez> locad up kdesystemsettings
[03:11] <Mez> then maximise it
[03:11] <Mez> s/locad/load/
[03:11] <Mez> then
[03:11] <Mez> couble clikc an icon and see what happens
[03:13] <Mez> s/couble clikc/double click
[03:15] <Mez> see it now ?
[03:16] <Mez> http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~mez/screenies/bug1.png
[03:17] <Riddell> I can't recreate that
[03:17] <Riddell> curious
[05:40] <mart> Riddell: ping?
[05:41] <Riddell> mart: hi
[05:42] <mart> Riddell: did you notice the .la files disappearing from breezy libxrender-dev...?
[05:42] <Riddell> oh yes
[05:42] <mart> kinda makes compiling kde stuff hard, or...?
[05:42] <Riddell> something still trying to use it?
[05:43] <mart> I think so, I tried to compile showimg the other day
[05:44] <Riddell> which version?
[05:44] <mart> not sure... apt-get source ... && debuild ... 
[05:44] <mart> it wasn't installing, so I thought I'd try to install it myself
[05:45] <mart> showimg-0.9.4.1
[05:45] <Riddell> gosh, it's not even been recompiled for new KDE
[05:45] <Riddell> "Rebuild for new C++ ABI"  but it wasn't
[05:45] <mart> oops
[05:46] <mart> so, in general, kde stuff doesn't require x.org libtool files?
[05:49] <Riddell> depends how the library package has been made
[05:52] <Riddell> bah, libkonq also still uses libXrender.la
[05:52] <Riddell> and can't compile kdebase just now because there's no xmkmf
[05:52] <mart> ok, I seem to be having some success compiling bits of koffice with unsermake, but using debuild will take that out of my path
[05:56] <mart> "Bummer", said Dougall.
[05:56] <Riddell> mart: will take what out?
[05:56] <mart> using debuild will take unsermake out of my path
[05:56] <mart> it cleans the environment first
[05:56] <Riddell> where is unsermake?
[05:57] <mart>  /opt/kde/kdenonbeta, or something
[05:57] <Riddell> apt-get install unsermake  will put it in /usr/bin
[05:58] <mart> Selecting previously deselected package automake1.4. :-o
[06:01] <mart> looks to be using autotools still - I think unsermake has to be around when make -f Makefile.cvs is run, i.e. before the tarball is made
[06:01] <mart> will see if it links...
[06:02] <mart>  /bin/sed: can't read /usr/lib/libXrender.la: No such file or directory :(
[06:02] <Riddell> what's that error on?
[06:03] <mart> I guess it's the final link step
[06:03] <Riddell> compiling what?
[06:04] <mart> http://rafb.net/paste/results/FRRJD829.html
[06:04] <mart> showimg
[06:04] <Riddell> yes, I've uploaded a new build of kipi but libkonq still wants to use libXrender.la
[06:05] <Riddell> and I can't upload a new kdebase for libkonq because there's no xmkmf currently
[06:05] <mart> ah, I see the problem now
[06:05] <Riddell> you can try editing libkonq.la manaually and replacing libXrender.la with -lXrender
[06:11] <mart> Riddell: it builds!
[06:11] <mart> had to do the same with Xcursor
[06:13] <mart> Riddell: btw, had you thought of using showimg as the default image viewer?
[06:13] <Riddell> what's the advantage over gwenview?
[06:15] <mart> in no particular order: showimg uses more space by default for the picture, which is normally what you want (gwenview layout seems to waste space); wheel button works for moving between images; easier to zoom in showimg; 
[06:18] <fromoze> I haven't use showimg for a while, but I remember that it may be lighter and it remember me irfanview more than other image viewers in linux (and has a nice icon xD)
[06:24] <fromoze> But, now I use gwenview because I thinked it was the 'official' kde-viewer and I'm happy too (the one I don't like is kuickshow) 
[06:24] <fromoze> My 2 cents :)
[06:25] <Riddell> sadly kuickshow is still the official KDE image viewer
[06:26] <fromoze> may be okular will replace it? or is just a document viewer? -i'll see the web
[06:27] <Riddell> okular is for pdf/ps/dvi etc
[06:49] <OculusAquilae> hi Riddell
[06:51] <OculusAquilae> do you know about our german irc-channel #kubuntu-de ?
[07:06] <je4d> Riddell: how do i get my kcrashdialog backtraces and debug output back?
[07:25] <je4d> Riddell: uh, nevermind.. the backtrace wasn't there because it was SIGABRT, and the debug's available after compiling from svn
[07:26] <Riddell> there's also kdelibs4c2-dbg with all the debugging symbols
[07:28] <je4d> Riddell: is that in breezy only? I get "couldn't find package"
[07:32] <Riddell> je4d: kdelibs4 gained a c2 in breezy
[07:32] <Riddell> you need to set LD_LOAD_PATH with -dbg packages or the like
[07:33] <je4d> Riddell: ok, thanks