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_jdhow do I get my 3d acceleration working on my apple powerbook G4?12:11
_jdit has an ATI Radeon Mobility 9600 M1012:12
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_adminHi12:13
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hater2winhow do i install firefox extensions?12:19
hater2wini cant figure it out12:19
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twidgetWhoa! That was some nap!12:27
twidget...and talk about your dreaming!12:28
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EasterSunshinetell us all about it!12:33
twidgetWell, I've been asleep for about 6 hours, much too long for your average nap...12:34
twidgetand my dreams were vivid but really strange12:35
twidgetbut my guess is that you were being sarcastic when you asked :)12:36
EasterSunshineno, i wasn't12:40
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EasterSunshinedreams are just really interesting to me12:40
EasterSunshinedoesn't matter who's12:40
twidgetCool. Maybe I'm getting too used to people in IRC channels being snotty to me12:41
EasterSunshinesnotty ppl don't belong in channels for helpful altruistic ppl like #kubuntu12:42
twidgetAll I really remember is that myself and a few others were in a church service watching a documentary on the porno industry12:43
twidgetand something about my waking up to late to walk to my old high school12:44
twidgetmakes no sense, really12:44
EasterSunshineyes dreams tend to be really disjoint and random12:44
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nikkiamy laptop's wlan card is on the other side of a router (ipv4 only) from my IPv6 router advertisement daemon, when i plug the card in, i get no IPv6 address allocated, i had come to the conclusion that this was because the router in between the networks was (probably correctly) not routing the RA's between the two effective LANs12:47
twidgetEasterSunshine: you wanna see snotty sometime? Go into ##php and ask a beginner's question!12:47
nikkiabut after about 5-6 hours of being up, the wlan card mysteriously gains a IPv6 address, and routing information12:47
nikkiaits a real puzzle12:47
EasterSunshinetwidget: let me try right now12:48
nikkiaEasterSunshine: may i suggest 'why do i need the <?php .... ?> tags :)12:48
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twidgetlol12:49
EasterSunshinehmm...i'll get banned cause it says rtfm everywhere, i was gonna ask how to add strings together or something12:49
twidgetsee what I mean?12:49
nikkiatwidget: its a reasonably good question, when referring to .php files, tbh12:49
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twidgetI wonder if I should keep all of my unneccessary cables and cards, such as SATA cables and external USB connectors. My board handles everything I need.12:51
nikkianever know when they'll come in handy12:52
twidgetI suppose12:52
nikkiaaltho sata cables are probably like pata cables - you get them with the motherboard, then again with the HD :)12:52
nikkiaor, worse, you have sata cables, buy a sata drive, then discover it needs a sata power connector :/12:53
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nikkiatwidget: to be honest, i always thought there was something wrong with the SATA specification... it seems a bit 'odd' to have a 7 pin data connection, then demand an 11-pin power connection12:59
twidgetyeah01:00
nikkiai mean, i understand the theory, 3 connections for each voltage rail, just in case the drive needs *that* much power, but still, i think we're in trouble if a drive needs 3.3v at 20A01:01
twidgetAnyone want a free Turtle Beach Riviera sound card?01:02
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nikkiatwidget: isn't that one of those aurel3d chipset cards that isn't supported by anything ? :)01:03
twidgetI have an Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe MB, then I bought a sound card to boot!01:03
nikkiaah, guess not if its new01:03
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nikkiai bought a TB card once, worst mistake evah!01:04
EasterSunshinegiving out free sound cards? how about hdds ;)01:04
twidgetSo chunk it?01:04
nikkiait WAS one of the aurel3d (or however you spell it) cards....01:04
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nikkiait said 'NT5 compatible' on the box, it wasn't01:04
nikkiaby the time 2k was released, they'd gone bankrupt and there weren't any drivers for anything post-9801:04
nikkia(and it wasn't supported in linux either, for what its worth)01:05
twidgetThere's my Zip 250 drive!01:05
nikkiaclick click click click BOOM :P01:05
nikkiaactually, you have to respect iomega, noone else has made hardware viruses :)01:06
twidgetSo chunk it?01:10
twidgetthe sound card, I mean?01:11
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twidgetIt was only about $3001:11
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nikkiatwidget, *shrug*01:11
nikkiatwidget, i thought it was another card, that had an old chipset, if you bought it recently (ie, after 1999) it wouldn't be the card i was thinking of01:12
twidgetMaybe a garage sale or something...01:13
EasterSunshinewhoa computer parts at a garage sale?01:17
EasterSunshinethats just crazy01:17
twidgetebay... garage sale... it's all the same thing01:19
twidgetactually, I have so much stuff to sell on ebay, it's not even funny. I just don't want to go to the trouble.01:20
twidgetAnyone want to buy a TiVo PVT100? ;)01:20
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twidgetI suppose it'll be Domino's again tonight01:21
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hater2winwhats a good linux prog for unrar-ing?01:27
crimsununrar-nonfree01:27
hater2wincan i apt-get that?01:27
crimsunit's in multiverse.01:27
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hater2winthanks01:28
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nocloudhey, do i need any spyware/virus protection for kubuntu?01:30
crimsunno01:30
nocloudor is stuff like that not an issue with linux?01:30
nocloudcrimsun: could you explain why?01:30
crimsunnocloud: it's generally not an issue with Linux.01:31
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twidgetcrimsun: you know... they used to say that about Mac OS01:43
crimsuntwidget: they've said it with just about every OS.01:44
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twidgetSo, I suppose if some virus/spyware/worm/trojan writer got a wild hair up his or her ass, we could see the need for such packages.01:45
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twidgetGIMP or CinePaint?02:00
c0rrupt_if there is any developers in here : thanks for your awesome distro02:00
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twidgetAny idea why, in xmms, it appears to be playing a CD, but I hear no sound?02:17
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bbailey_Could it be trying to play it in analog mode?02:24
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twidgetbbailey_: may I change that?02:29
twidgeta setting somewhere?02:29
twidgetah!02:30
twidgetinput plugin = digital extraction02:30
twidgetthat got it02:30
twidgetthanks for prompting the search02:31
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flughthe live dvd is really sweet. won't be long before I'm replacing the office desktop with kubuntu. just gotta get internet access :(02:36
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jharrisonwhat repositories to use for mplayer?02:43
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twidgetERROR: Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supported by the Macromedia Flash Player installer.02:49
twidgetARRGH!02:50
twidgetMaybe we should organize a protest outside Macromedia's offices02:50
jharrisondude im sorry but I was going to give my father kubuntu but its just not worth it I dont think02:50
jharrisondebian is the way to go02:51
jharrisonI should have never considered anything else02:51
crimsunthen give him Debian02:51
jharrisonyes I think so02:51
crimsunUbuntu isn't the right distro for everyone02:51
twidgetgo for it, dude02:51
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jharrisonwell I thought it would be good but I am not sure now02:51
twidgetSome people like chocolate, some people prefer vanilla. People are different02:52
jharrisonthe live cds worked great but the actual install has problems02:52
jharrisonwhat do you guys do if you want mplayer/kplayer?02:52
twidgetI'm liking xmms02:52
jharrisonyou compile them all from source?02:52
twidgetI didn't02:53
jharrisonwell there must be some repositories for them they02:53
jharrisonbut I fail to find them on the ubuntu/kubuntu site02:53
jharrisonim reading an mplayer howto which tells me what I know already but does not give me a repo02:53
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hater2winhow do i uninstall shit?02:57
hater2winerr02:57
hater2winSTUFF02:57
hater2wini meant STUFF02:57
flughgot a HOWTO on importing my thunderbird mail to kmail?02:58
flughhater2win: apt-get remove <package>02:58
hater2winwhat if i self installed something02:58
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hater2winlike if i downloaded firefox and installed it to my /opt/firefox dir02:58
flughhater2win: or dpkg --purge <package>02:59
flugherr, rm -rf <offending directory>02:59
flughyou can do that with firefox. that's where  i had it installed, and rm'd it recently02:59
hater2windoesnt that just remove te dir02:59
flughhater2win: well, firefox is nice in that it doesn't leave much lying around. and it's not like there's a windows registry to clean up on removal03:00
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hater2wintrue03:01
hater2winso i can just delete the profiles folder03:01
hater2winand firefox folder03:01
hater2winand itll be ok?03:01
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n17r0oi03:08
n17r0is it normal to have this in mtab:03:08
n17r0this: /dev /.dev unknown rw,bind 0 003:08
n17r0??03:08
web250in mtab?03:09
n17r0yep03:09
web250hmmm...03:09
web250lemme see03:09
n17r0kk :P03:09
n17r0ty03:09
web250i have it too, just checked...what is mtab btw? i know what fstab is, looks similar03:09
n17r0mtab shows u which things are mounted03:10
web250ahh cool...03:10
n17r0ty for checking :D03:10
web250no prob03:11
n17r0do u also have sometimes missing shortcuts in the K-menu ?03:11
web250like what?03:12
n17r0my kcontrol shortcut dissapeared :/03:12
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web250did u just install kde 3.4.2?03:12
n17r0yep03:12
web250kcontrol disappears with 3.4.2...its easily replaced though03:12
n17r0ah I see, thats weird also, why do they do such things03:13
web250click start, right click on the left hand kubuntu bar....edit it, new item, etc... command: kcontrol03:13
n17r0yeah I added already a new one 03:13
n17r0ty anyway03:13
web250np03:14
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web250is procmeter3 the best option for displaying stats on desktop....or something else?03:15
n17r0u need something like Mother board monitor ?03:16
web250exactly...that will display my stats on the desktop...more like coolmon for windows i guess03:16
n17r0yeah try "ksensors" 03:17
web250k...anything is easier than using the 'top' command and viewing it in a text console03:17
n17r0its in universe i think, i installed it with kynaptic03:17
web250ya i use synaptic...all the repos too...hated kynapti03:18
n17r0yeah but top is more like a proccess manager03:18
n17r0yeah i have also synaptic, and that new one from KDE Kpackage03:18
n17r0KSysGuard is the GUI for "top"03:19
web250ahhh very good03:20
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hater2winwhats a good IRC client for kde?03:26
_chrisKonversation03:27
_christhe kubuntu default03:27
hater2winany others?03:28
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n17r0lots of them03:28
web250xchat03:28
n17r0try Xchat03:28
n17r0:P03:28
web250im using xchat right now 03:29
hater2winwill do03:29
n17r0im using KSirc right now03:30
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hater2winlol03:32
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Tribunehi. i try to get limewire software. try sudo apt-get install limewire but fail03:33
web250h/o....if synaptic ever loads ill help u out )03:34
web250ok...limewire doesnt come up in synaptic for me...might not be on the mirrors, it might be on a different repo03:35
Tribuneok03:35
web250and ive got all my repos selected03:35
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web250Tribune: http://ubuntuguide.org/#limewire03:36
web250just be careful, those directions are for the gnome panel...so you might have to manually add it to the kde panel03:38
Tribuneohhh03:40
twidgetArgh! #mysql is just as bad as ##php03:42
_chriswhich is only slightly less annoying than #linux03:42
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twidgetI mean, seriously, if you're not willing to help a user, newbie or otherwise, just don't type anything! How simple is that?!03:45
twidgetNoooo, you've got to make some snide comment to show how much more smart you are, and that you're more willing to withhold any assistance than give any.03:46
flughtwidget: i'd tell you how to fix that, but i'm too smart, and it wouldn't make any sense to you03:48
flugh;)03:49
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hater2winhow do you move files without it telling you you dont have permission?03:54
flughmv -f03:54
flughor,have write permissions on the dir you are mv'ing to03:54
hater2winhow to do that?03:55
hater2winnvm03:56
hater2winfound it03:56
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Tribuneubuntu hv website such as http://ubuntuguid.org how bout kubuntu?04:08
hater2winany better audio players than amarok?04:12
twidgetflugh: haha, sorry, caught up in a conversation about database normalization04:13
twidgethater2win: I'm liking xmms04:13
twidgetflugh: that's what started all this, I needed help normalizing a db04:14
twidgetI have a degree in IS, but that was 7+ years ago, and I've slept since then04:14
paxhater2win: beep-media-player04:15
hater2winis beep or xmms better?04:16
EasterSunshinehater2win: depends on your taste. try out both and decide for yourself04:22
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rene_hellko04:25
rene_How do I install KDE on my desktop04:25
rene_Hello04:26
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seth_kare you already running Ubuntu?04:30
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rene_yes, I have ubuntu 5.0404:41
rene_seth_k, I have ubuntu 5.0404:42
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seth_krene_, sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop04:42
rene_ok04:43
hater2winwhat do i do with .deb fileS?04:46
hater2wini have checkinstall04:47
hater2winif that matters04:47
bbailey_You can manipulate .debs directly with dpkg: e.g., dpkg -i file.deb (to install)04:47
rene_Is it always that hard to install software on linux04:49
hater2winafter i do that is there any clean up necesary?04:49
hater2windpkg cleanup?04:49
rene_how Do i make my dvd player to work .. Play DvDs?04:49
bbailey_dpkg doesn't cache the .deb or anything, so no - once you install (or whatever), you're done, you can remove the .deb if you like04:50
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bjvsearching doesnt turn up anything, is there a package name for MS binary codecs?04:53
bjvi know they are evil, but still.04:53
bbaileyw32codecs - in hoary-extras on backports04:54
twidgetgoodnight, all04:55
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bjvman my sources is messy, i could probably combine some of these entries.05:00
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_paulwhats up guys?05:06
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hater2winok05:13
hater2wini have a theme in a .deb file05:13
Kaiser_sleep1hi hater2win05:13
hater2winwhat do i need to do to install it05:13
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hater2winooo, sup kaiser05:13
Kamping_Kaiserhi mate :)05:13
hater2winhow was your day?05:13
Kamping_Kaiserjust goet up an hour ago :)05:14
hater2winoh, lol, forgot about that time diff05:14
Kamping_Kaiserwhat's happening with your computer?05:14
Kamping_Kaiserlol05:14
hater2wineh, just trying to figure things out05:14
Kamping_Kaiserhater2win: it's 12:44 lunchtime here, so i slept in a bit ;)05:14
hater2winim tired of this GIANT looking desktop i have05:14
hater2winlol, a bit?05:14
Kamping_Kaiseryeh a bit05:15
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Kamping_Kaisergiant looking?05:15
hater2winwell, when i had windows on this comp05:15
hater2wini had a 1600x1200 resolution05:16
hater2winall the bars were nice and thing05:16
hater2winthin*05:16
hater2wineverything looked slick05:16
hater2winand this 1280x1024 just looks tacky to me05:16
hater2winlol05:16
hater2winespecially with the giant bars05:16
Kamping_Kaiserlol05:16
hater2win*shrug*05:16
hater2winwanted something a little smaller05:16
Kamping_Kaiserxorg .conf05:16
Kamping_Kaiser:)05:16
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hater2winwhere is that at?05:16
Kamping_Kaiser /etc/X11/xorg.conf05:16
Kamping_Kaiserclose to where XFree86 was05:17
hater2winty much05:18
hater2winok so in addition to this05:18
hater2winif i have a theme downloaded in a .deb file05:18
hater2winwhat do i do?05:18
hater2wini tried05:19
hater2windpkg -i file.deb05:19
hater2winbut nothing happened05:19
Kamping_Kaisernot sure h2w, that's how you install a deb, so i don't know05:20
Kamping_Kaiseri havent used themes05:20
hater2winhmm ok05:20
hater2winso if i wanted to use a 1600x1200 res05:20
hater2winthen would i edit xorg.conf05:21
hater2winand add05:21
hater2win1600x120005:21
hater2winto the bottom05:21
hater2winon the depth of my monitor?05:21
jpowershater2win: you probably need to change the settings in kcontrol05:21
jpowershater2win: installing it via deb only makes it available, I believe05:21
hater2winjpowers: i see, well i looked in the themes manager but it isnt there05:22
jpowerswhat was it?05:22
jpowersyou might need to look not in themes, but in widgets or window decorations05:22
Kamping_Kaiseradd it here hater2win                Modes           "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600"05:22
jpowersgenerally what people call themes are one of those things.05:23
hater2winKamping_Kaiser: on the depth that my monitor has default right?05:23
hater2winjpowers: thanks let me try that real quick05:23
Kamping_Kaiseryes, add it to 16 bit and 24 bit, as your going to use them05:24
hater2winhmm05:32
hater2winso i edited xconf05:32
hater2winbut 1600x1200 isnt selecteable in desktop configuration05:32
hater2winam i missing something?05:32
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Kamping_Kaiserhater2win: you have to restart X05:34
hater2winoh...05:35
hater2wincan i do that from term like dcop kicker kicker restart?05:35
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hater2winexcept for x?05:35
c0rrupt_hi im trying to use teamspeak05:35
c0rrupt_but when i try to run it05:35
c0rrupt_nothing happens05:35
c0rrupt_any help?05:35
Kamping_Kaiserhater2win: log out and back in again05:36
Kamping_Kaisershould do it05:36
hater2winoh ok05:37
hater2winbrb then05:37
Kamping_Kaiserc0rrupt_: have you run it from a terminal?05:37
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c0rrupt_temrinal and kicker05:38
c0rrupt_terminal*05:38
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Kamping_Kaiserso you ran setup.sh?05:38
c0rrupt_mhm05:38
Kamping_Kaiserthen i went cd ~/Teamspeak (where i put it) and ./TeamSpeak and it ran05:39
c0rrupt_me too.. except it didnt run05:40
c0rrupt_nothing happens05:40
c0rrupt_woah05:40
c0rrupt_loaded..05:40
c0rrupt_after like05:40
c0rrupt_5 minutes05:40
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c0rrupt_LOL05:40
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Kamping_Kaiserlol05:41
benjamin1254how do u install flash 7 from the console in kubuntu05:41
benjamin1254so all browsers can use it05:42
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hater2winaaaahhhhhh05:42
hater2winmuch better05:42
Kamping_Kaiserhave fun hater2win :)05:42
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hater2winnow i just gotta make all these buttons smaller05:43
hater2winthey still looks huge lol05:43
twidgetWhat does it mean when it says Not Installed (residual config) in kynaptic?05:43
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hater2winKamping_Kaiser: brb, gonna get some food05:46
Kamping_Kaiseryeh. same ;)05:46
twidgetIs there a package similar to DreamWeaver?05:47
Kamping_Kaiserthere are other wysiwyg editors, none like dreamweaver as such05:48
twidgetQuanta? kdevelop?05:48
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Kamping_Kaisernvu05:54
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bjvubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net?05:57
bjvbbailey: there is no official backport repo?05:57
Kamping_Kaisernot yet05:57
Kamping_KaiserIIRC they wil be adding one with Breezy05:58
bjvmm05:58
bjvalright.05:58
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pax!backports05:58
ubotuI heard backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted05:58
llukahi05:58
Kamping_KaiserOH OK05:58
Kamping_Kaisersorry caps05:59
llukahey i have 2 sound cards installed in kubuntu and neither work :/05:59
llukaim sure its somethign really simple05:59
llukabut i cant figure it out05:59
lluka:(05:59
bjvi still dont have my sound support completely ironed out.06:00
bjvAC97 onboard though.06:00
llukawell, i dont remmeber how to do alsaconfigs06:01
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bjvif i want to do a dist-upgrade and get the bare minimum of updates which sole repo should i use?06:05
bjvprobably         deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted  06:05
bjvwould that miss anything? doesnt seem like it would.06:06
hater2winKamping_Kaiser: back06:07
Kamping_Kaiserbjv: not if you just want to upgrade a basic system06:08
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bjvwell, i noticed that hoary main restricted wanted to download 295mib of packs06:11
Kamping_Kaisersounds about right06:12
Kamping_Kaiseryou don't need restricted btw 06:12
bjvoh? it was in there already06:12
hater2winwhats in restricted?06:12
bjvmain covers that?06:13
Kamping_Kaisermain is the "important bits" of the system, what's on the cd in effect06:13
Kamping_Kaiserrestricted is proprietry stuff they cant include on the cd06:13
bjvah06:13
hater2winah i see06:13
bjvbut if ive installed out of restricted id probably want it there to update stuff06:14
llukai think my sound is coming out of the wrong card06:14
lluka:(06:14
bjv:P06:14
llukadoes anyone know how to set it to the second (pci) card?06:14
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Kamping_Kaiserhater2win: everything not in main or restricted06:17
Kamping_Kaiser~16 thousand packages IIRC06:17
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hater2winhow old are you Kamping_Kaiser 06:25
Kamping_Kaiser1906:25
Kamping_Kaiserfew months ago06:25
hater2winnice, me too06:25
Kamping_Kaiserlol realy?06:25
hater2winyeah06:25
Kamping_Kaiserlmao sweet06:25
Kamping_Kaiserhow long have you been doing Linux then?06:26
hater2winnot very long at all06:26
hater2winthe other day when i came in here06:26
hater2winis when i dedicated my machine ti linux06:26
hater2wini had tried ot slackware before, but failed miserably06:26
hater2winso basically a few days06:26
Kamping_Kaiser:) welcome aboard06:26
Kamping_Kaiseri havent bothered with slack06:26
Kamping_Kaiseri have isos somewhere, but fsck it ;006:26
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hater2winlol06:27
hater2winhow long have you been linux-ing06:27
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Kamping_Kaiseri tried on and off for 2 years ~ but that was just weekend entertainment - install manrape/FC/RH and go 'oh, Linux is to hard' and quit ;)06:28
Kamping_Kaiserthis year is wehn it all happend06:28
kalenedraelok, i have an extraordinarily strange problem here06:28
kalenedraells -l lists a file, but bash says it doesn't exist when i try to execute it with ./file06:28
hater2winkalenedrael: welcome to the club06:28
Kamping_Kaiserkalenedrael: it's probably not executeable06:29
Kamping_Kaiserwhat does ls -l file say?06:29
kalenedraelah, but if that were the case, it would say 'permission denied'06:29
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Kamping_Kaiserwhat's the line it puts out06:29
kalenedraells -l says it's 75506:29
kalenedraelrwxr-xr-x06:29
Kamping_Kaiserhm. ok...06:29
kalenedraelodd, hm06:30
bjvive randomly found that ./file wont autocomplete with tab or run06:30
kalenedraeloh, and another thing06:30
bjvi usually just use sh file instead06:30
kalenedraelhmm, now a different problem06:31
kalenedrael'cannot execute binary file' after using sh file06:31
bjvfunky.06:32
bjvsomething is awry here06:32
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c0rrupt_hello, what is a good irc client?06:34
Kamping_Kaiserc0rrupt_: what do you need to do? "good" depends what you use it for06:34
kalenedraelc0rrupt_, i'd suggest xchat, if you use a GUI06:35
bjvi enjoy fighting with this pos called 'gaim', it all depends.06:35
c0rrupt_i use gaim for aim06:35
Kamping_Kaiseri use GAIM, people seem to like koppet or Xchat for similar06:35
c0rrupt_i hate it for linux06:35
c0rrupt_im in xchat right now06:35
kalenedraelyou hate xchat?06:35
c0rrupt_mhm06:35
kalenedraelwhat part of it?06:35
c0rrupt_maybe its because i spent too many years on mirc06:35
hater2winlol06:36
c0rrupt_how do you even pm someone06:36
llukahey06:36
kalenedrael/query06:36
llukacan someone help me with my sound card please?06:36
llukai have 2 cards, and its sending audio to the wrong one06:36
benjamin1254hey is there an ez way to download and use flash plugin an ezier way ... like through apt-get or something of sorts?06:37
kalenedraelturn machine off, remove the 'wrong' one, start up06:37
lluka:/ its onboard06:37
llukacant remove it06:37
kalenedraeloh06:38
bjvbenjamin1254: there is a linux installer for flash i belive06:38
c0rrupt_Yo06:39
c0rrupt_how do you PM someone using xchat06:39
llukai think you can install flash from within konqueror06:39
kalenedraelc0rrupt_, /query06:39
c0rrupt_heh06:39
c0rrupt_nvm06:39
kalenedraelor, /msg06:39
c0rrupt_thanks06:39
hater2winhow do you make red text?06:40
c0rrupt_action06:40
llukathers gotta be a way change the devices06:40
hater2win...?06:40
llukafor sound06:40
c0rrupt_0,o06:40
lluka:(06:40
hater2winaction wtf06:40
c0rrupt_KaiL_, test06:40
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KaiL_hmm?06:40
hater2win%action wtf06:40
hater2winlol06:40
benjamin1254really.. yeah but i believe u have to move it to the place where ur browser is to use ity then for me from there its still a pain in the rear to use06:40
c0rrupt_hater2win, hello06:41
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hater2winbah06:41
hater2winc0rrupt_: teach me or else... or else ill hack you in a few years whenever i get this down...  lol06:42
c0rrupt_you just did it06:42
hater2winoh did i?06:42
c0rrupt_...06:42
c0rrupt_yes06:42
hater2winwtf06:42
hater2winhow come it doesnt show up red on my screen06:42
c0rrupt_when u send nick:06:42
hater2winlol06:42
c0rrupt_it only showed red to me06:42
hater2winooohhh06:42
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c0rrupt_becuase you started the message with my nic06:42
c0rrupt_nick06:42
hater2wini see i see06:43
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hater2winKamping_Kaiser: what does this mean: checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!06:51
Kamping_Kaiserwhere do you see that hater2win?06:52
hater2winwhen i do ./configure on this window decoration i downloaded06:52
hater2winthats the error i get06:52
Kamping_Kaiseryou might need to get some X sorce files.... iwouldent know which though.06:52
Kamping_Kaiserif it's something i have to compile i don't instlal it... i have better things to do  with my time ;)06:53
hater2winlol06:53
Kamping_Kaiserlike work on NFP constitutions :S06:54
seth_kkdelibs-dev06:55
seth_kis what you need06:55
llukahow do i get extra stuff with kynaptic?06:55
bjvyou select packages, then hit the update&install button?06:56
llukaerr06:57
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llukacan i get stuff from the net with it?06:57
llukaor is it just for the cd?06:57
bjvyou should be able to get stuff off the net06:57
bjvi belive that by default it gives you the CD and the main/restricted repos06:58
bjvcheck /etc/apt/sources.list06:58
llukak one sec06:59
llukafile is empty07:00
lluka>_<07:00
hater2winKamping_Kaiser: where is kde intalled at in kubuntu by default?07:00
seth_khater2win, did you see my line above about needing kdelibs-dev ?07:01
seth_khater2win, and /usr/lib/kde3 is a good start probably07:01
hater2winoh ok07:01
hater2winand i need kdelibs?07:01
seth_kkdelibs-dev07:01
seth_knot kdelibs, you should already have that one07:01
hater2winoh ok07:02
hater2winwhat will those do?07:02
Kamping_Kaiserhater2win: gives you something to compile against07:02
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hater2winah i see07:03
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hater2winwhat does this mean:07:03
hater2winPackage kdelibs-dev is a virtual package provided by:07:03
hater2win  kdelibs4-dev 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3.307:03
hater2winYou should explicitly select one to install.07:03
nocloudis there a way to make my monitor turn off after a certain number of minutes?07:04
hater2wini need to sudo apt-get install kdelibs4-dev07:04
hater2win?07:04
Kamping_Kaiserhater2win: it means change kdelibs-blah to either one of those 2 packages07:04
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hater2wini did kdelibs4-dev07:05
Kamping_Kaiserok07:05
noclouddoes anybody else get a nasty click/snap noise from their hard drive when they shut down kubuntu?07:09
crimsunnocloud: that's normal.07:09
nocloudisn't that bad for the hard drive.....07:09
kalenedraelthat's normal07:09
kalenedraelno, it's not bad for the hard drive07:09
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kalenedraelyou get that sound whenever you shut down07:10
nocloudactually, i don't get the sound when i shut down through windows....07:10
nocloudor when i power off in the dell bios07:10
kalenedraelthen windows must have some routine to park the heads07:10
nocloudit doesn't sound right...i mean hard drives are mechanical and all....07:11
kalenedraelthat sound is fine, though07:11
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kalenedraelhard drives are mechanical, and you should remember that :P07:11
nocloudmakes it seem like its hurting the drive....07:11
kalenedraelit's not07:11
kalenedraelit's what the drive does when power to it is cut07:11
kalenedraelthere is circuitry to recover energy from the platter rotation and move the read/write heads to the proper 'park' location07:12
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_daveHi new to kubuntu (used MDK 10 tho :) )07:13
nocloudis there a way to turn off my monitor...07:14
nocloudlike after a certain number of minutes or when i close the lid of my laptop...07:15
_dave#help07:15
_davewould like to know if anyone could help ....07:15
nocloud_dave: what is your problem?07:15
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_daveon a ubuntu packages site (http://nz.ubuntu....) there is some updated files of amule but i cannot get them via kynaptic or synaptic07:17
_daveI did download the files i needed and installed them via apt-get but i got dependacy issues07:18
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nocloudwhich version are you trying to update to?07:18
_daveI also did a wild card insert (so that all the 3 deb files i had downloaded would get installed)07:19
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nocloudkynaptic has version 1.2.6+rc7-207:19
hater2winwhat are the pack downloads for qt?07:19
nocloudi'm guessing you are looking for an even newer one?07:19
_davenocloud: amule 2.0.3 ... latest ver (looked in the packages & packages.gz files and these are not there).07:20
hater2windcgui-qt?07:23
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nocloud _dave: if what you tried didn't work, then i don't know of anything else you can do, maybe somebody here with more experience could help07:24
hater2winanybody? qt?07:25
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_davenocloud: i did have amule2.3...deb (can't remember the url :( had to remove it due to disk space, went from Ubuntu to Kubuntu - couldn't get my head around gnome).07:26
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noclouddoes anybody know how to change AIM profiles in kopete?07:31
_daveanyone able to help with installing via kynaptic / synaptic deb packages that are newer then those in the official list ??? (taking amule 2.3)07:32
bjvyou want the absolute latest version? i generally just build them from source.07:33
bjvinstall them to ~/ or whatever07:33
supernixanyone here use Thunderbird ?07:35
hater2winKamping_Kaiser: im out for the night, ill see ya tomorrow, thanks for the help07:35
kalenedrael_dave, you have to build them yourself, then07:35
hater2winnight all07:35
Kamping_Kaisernight hater ;)07:36
nocloudseriously....can somebody tell me how to change my AIM profile in kopete?07:37
nocloudi've literally searched for half an hour07:37
Kamping_Kaisersorry i cant, i use giam07:38
Kamping_Kaiser*GAIM07:38
paxSettings - Configure Kopete - Accounts. Highlight your account and click Modify.07:40
nocloudi tried that already...there's nothing there to change the profile.....07:41
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nocloud pax: did you google and find that post on linuxquestions?07:41
paxnocloud: Yes.07:44
nocloudyea, i think that might have worked with an older version of kopete....07:45
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paxI'm too old for AOL and messengers. I use the phone to communicate.07:46
_davekalenedrael: well then why are they in the repository (universe) but not in the packages) ??07:46
kalenedrael_dave, what?07:47
kalenedraelthe newer versions aren't in packages yet07:47
paxnocloud: can't change your profile on their webpage?07:47
nocloudno, i don't think so07:48
nocloudi went to the aim site to look....and, its like the AOL site...impossible to find anything with commercials and confusing stuff everywhere07:49
_davekalenedrael: well that's right as of last night i even looked inside them to see if they were there manually (went to url and opened the 2 documents and looked for amule and it on;y showed the 1.2.6+rc7-2 files not 2.3 updated ones that can be seen by going to the universe url).07:55
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_daveOh shit .... i didn't delete the file after all so i can reinstall amule2.3 (it's just not a K/Ubuntu package.08:07
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c0rrupt_hello08:30
c0rrupt_how can i get ndiswrapper to run modprobe at startup?08:30
kalenedraelndiswrapper -m08:31
kalenedraelalternatively, you can RTFM :P08:31
pussfelleryou mean where to put it in the start up scripts?08:31
c0rrupt_yea08:32
c0rrupt_i already ran ndiswrapper -m08:32
c0rrupt_its saved08:32
kalenedrael...08:32
kalenedraelhmm08:32
c0rrupt_just everytime i boot08:32
c0rrupt_i have to run08:32
c0rrupt_modprobe ndiswrapper08:32
c0rrupt_then dhclient08:32
kalenedraelwhat?08:32
kalenedraelthat's weird08:33
kalenedraelndiswrapper -m should make it load on startup08:33
c0rrupt_where are startup scripts located08:33
c0rrupt_hm08:33
kalenedraelthey are in /etc/init.d08:33
kalenedraeland /etc/rc*.d08:33
kalenedrael(or they should be, anyway)08:33
c0rrupt_rc0.d?08:33
pussfellerthats a good question, ubuntu uses them old timey rc's that are confusing08:34
c0rrupt_so08:34
c0rrupt_i can put any command in therr08:34
c0rrupt_and it will be run on startup?08:34
c0rrupt_hm08:35
c0rrupt_nvm08:35
c0rrupt_so08:35
c0rrupt_how do i add a command08:35
c0rrupt_just make a script?08:35
kalenedraelthe way to do it in ubuntu is to create a script to do it in init.d, then add symlinks as necessary to rc*.d08:35
kalenedraelyes08:35
kalenedrael#!/bin/sh08:36
kalenedraelmodprobe ndiswrapper08:36
kalenedraeldhclient wlan008:36
c0rrupt_save it as..08:36
c0rrupt_ndiswrapper.sh?08:36
c0rrupt_or something08:36
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kalenedraelc0rrupt, sure08:50
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duendeHas anyone tried amsn with the new webcam support?09:05
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arminhello there09:16
arminhi, i'm using the grub boot loader but i want my computer to boot up in windows XP instead of Kubuntu by default, can you please help me?09:17
Kamping_Kaiseri can try09:17
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nikkiaarmin, you need to change the 'default' value in /boot/grub.menu.lst  that's all09:21
nikkiaerm /boot/grub/menu.lst09:21
armini'm not sure how to do that (linux newbie). i've got the file open09:22
Kamping_Kaiserarmin: does it say "read only "at the top?09:23
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znhhttp://kde-look.org/content/pre1/23315-1.jpg09:24
arminno09:24
znhoops09:24
znh hmm does anyone know how to get the taskbar at the top? like in here: <see url>09:25
nikkiaznh, click on panel, drag to top, release09:26
nikkiathat's how i have my panel :P09:26
znhthat would move the whole panel09:26
nikkiathat's how it is in the screenshot09:26
znhI just want to have my taskbar at top, and the buttons at under09:27
nikkiaznh, you can create a second panel, and put just the taskbar on it, and put that at the top, leaving the normal panel at the bottom09:27
znh0_o! WOOT09:27
nikkiacan't for the life of me remember how you create a second panel tho :)09:28
nikkiaah09:28
nikkia'Add to Panel->Panel->Panel'09:28
znhPanel Menu -> add to panel -> 09:29
znhyep indeed09:29
nikkiaactually09:29
znhhmm can I resize my second panel?09:29
nikkia'External Taskbar' might be a better choice for you09:30
znhnikkia: I did, but I can't resize that one :P09:30
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znhthe normal panel can09:30
znhwhat means 'shrugs' ?09:31
nikkiagah!09:31
nikkiai'm supposed to have a 'chat' with my boss today09:31
znh:-/09:31
znhwhat happend?09:32
nikkiabut i'm not sure if he's going to be in the office or not, and don't want to walk to work if he's not as its wasted time09:32
nikkiaand he's not answering his mobile09:32
znhoh boy09:32
nikkiaoh, its not a bad 'chat'09:32
nikkiajust need to go over the results from a meeting last week09:32
nikkiabut i have no idea if its a chat via phone, or chat in person, he intended09:33
nikkiaand if i go to the office, it means i can't get much/any work done til i get home again :/09:33
znhthat's a shitty situation09:33
znhwhat about going to your boss?09:33
_davebye09:34
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nikkiaznh, go to him about what?09:37
znhwell, to get a view how he wants the conversation09:37
nikkiathats why i was calling his mobile09:38
nikkiawhich he's not answering09:38
znhI mean, just by meeting him09:38
nikkiai just asked our project manager tho, he says he's 'supposed to be in, but you might as well stay there and i'll ask him to give you a call to let you know how he wants to do the chat'09:38
znhoh ok :-)09:38
nikkiamost likely, a phone chat will suffice, that way i can get more work done today09:39
nikkia(my work PC doesn't have enough ram to run the project i'm developing :)09:39
znhheh, that's awesome for you :-P09:40
znhI would love it to work at home09:41
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znhhowever..09:43
Poromiesheh, i cant get anything done when im at home :)09:44
znhput a picture of your boss on the wall09:44
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twidgetI've monkeyed up something. When I boot, I get alerts saying, "The Composite Manager crashed twice within a minute and is therefore disabled for this session" and "Composite Extension not found: You must use XOrg > 6.8 for translucency and shadows to work." What have I done, or more to the point, how do I fix it?09:56
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twidgettrying again...10:00
twidgetI've monkeyed up something. When I boot, I get alerts saying, "The Composite Manager crashed twice within a minute and is therefore disabled for this session" and "Composite Extension not found: You must use XOrg > 6.8 for translucency and shadows to work." What have I done, or more to the point, how do I fix it?10:00
Kamping_Kaiserlol10:00
Kamping_Kaiseryou running a stock Kubuntu?10:01
twidgetwell, I didn't know if it ever went out before all Hell broke loose there :)10:01
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twidgetKamping_Kaiser: well,,, no... I've changed a few things10:01
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nikkiahmmm10:01
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nikkiaguess freenode's IPv6 servers went down10:02
Kamping_Kaisertwidget: have you changed the install of KDE for example?10:02
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nikkiaurgh, is this the new server software?10:02
twidgetI don't think so10:02
nikkiai don't like that 'N=' bit in the hostmasks10:02
twidgetwhy are some N= and some I= ?10:03
nikkiatwidget: registered and unregistered?10:03
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nikkiahold on a second10:03
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nikkiahmmm, no, identifying didn't make it I= *shrug*10:04
nikkiaznh, my boss just called, he's on holiday today, but IS coming in, and wants to chat in person, but he'll not be there til 10, so10:04
znhnikkia: wow must be important :-/10:04
nikkianah, he has a few other things he wants to do too10:05
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(Tranquitos/#kubuntu) wow... what was that???10:05
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znhTranquitos: server split10:05
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znhmaybe we need to shout a little harder to understand each other10:06
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nikkiai'm not sure if it was a split, or server upgrade10:06
Tranquitosznh: i've never seen this before :o10:06
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nikkiasomething has most definitely changed on the server, for the N= and I= lines in the hostmask10:06
znhnikkia: it's in the motd10:06
fatejudgerit was a split10:06
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nikkiaznh, not in mine its not10:06
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znh-- *** Notice -- Server is currently split, channel modes are limited10:07
nikkiaoh10:07
znhglobal notice10:07
kasirhello10:07
fatejudgergreat...10:07
fatejudgernow we're all getting disconnected10:07
fatejudgerlol10:07
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Tranquitoswhich other servers are available?10:08
znhTranquitos: won't help, all the servers are linked to each other10:08
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Tranquitosoh, ok... so i guess we have to live without freenode for a while hehe10:09
znhwb nikkia 10:09
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znhTranquitos: they will fix it fast ;)10:09
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znhnikkia: what's IPv6 ?10:09
Tranquitosznh: Internet Protocol version 610:10
nikkiaznh, version 6 of the IP standard10:10
nikkiaas opposed to v4 which most people use :)10:10
znhhm, is it recommended?10:10
Tranquitosi think some days ago there was a global notice about a beta IPv6 server in freenode10:10
nikkiaTranquitos: its a test-net10:11
nikkiaTranquitos: thus, not connected to the rest of the freenode net10:11
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Tranquitosah, ok... 10:11
nikkiaTranquitos: there are a couple of IPv6 freenode servers, but i'm puzzled as to how uniq is on 'irc.freenode.net' using IPv6, whereas i have to go via calkins or goethe10:12
znhAnd it's you when I look in the mirror..10:12
znhomg I have one second lagg10:12
nikkiaznh, IPv6 is great, if you can get it working, but its not very newbie friendly to setup a tunnel, and very few ISPs offer native IPv6 connectivity10:12
znhnikkia: I think mines does, my brother had it by default10:13
nikkiaactually, thats only vaguely true, setting up a tunnel with the tunnel broker i'm using is pretty easy - they supply a daemon that handles the connection10:13
Tranquitosnikkia: is it possible to have IPv6 over an IPv4 ISP?10:14
nikkiaTranquitos: yes, that's what i mean by a tunnel10:14
nikkiaits basically an IPv6 VPN between you and the tunnel broker10:14
buzyeah but wheres the point, really10:14
buzonly slows you down10:14
nikkiabuz, only for IPv6 sites, and without any IPv6 tunnel, you can't access those at all :)10:15
buzmhh there are such?10:15
buzlike what10:15
nikkiabuz, a few, yes10:15
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Tranquitosi still don't get it :( 10:15
nikkiabuz, you find quite a few BT peers that are only IPv6 reachable too10:15
Tranquitosmaybe i'll have to read some RFCs or manuals...10:16
znhmsg -lilo- good luck dude, this must be frustrating10:16
znhd'oh10:17
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znhrofl10:24
llukahi all10:24
znhtwidget: can you receive me *shouts*10:24
twidgetwhat?!10:25
znhhm not hard enough10:25
twidgetI can't hear you over all this shouting!10:25
nikkiaah, it was both a netsplit AND server upgrades10:25
Tranquitoshi lluka 10:25
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nikkia" Late-scheduled sponsor power outages between 9am and 10am UTC on Monday, 8 August 2005 (a bit over a day from now) will impact network use for most of our users"10:25
nikkia"We'll take the opportunity at that time to do software updates on several of our servers, and we'll also schedule a test upgrade to Hyperion 1.0. Hyperion is a fork of our current dancer-ircd 1.0 ircd server software."10:25
llukagrr, somehow i just hit update all packages10:26
llukain kynaptic10:26
lluka.-,10:26
lluka>_<10:26
llukaso its downloading a zillion things10:26
znhyou should be more up2date then :P10:26
nikkiaah, the I=/N= thing indicates identd success/failure10:26
llukaim trying to get envy24control10:27
llukain alsa-utils10:27
znhnikkia: aha10:27
nikkiaaha, cool10:27
llukathats probably why my sound isnt working10:27
llukai have an ICE1712 chipset10:27
llukam-audio10:27
nikkia'you can now identify to nickserv as part of the connection process, simply connect with your registered nick, and pass your nickserv password as a server password'10:27
znhhmm10:28
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twidgetARGH!10:29
znhindeed, no need to nickserv!10:29
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nikkiaexcept, it seems nickserv is AWOL anyway :)10:31
Tranquitosnikkia: you're now with an IPv6 address :)10:31
Tranquitos--> nikkia has joined this channel. (N=nikkia@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:31b3)10:31
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znhnikkia: are there guides to setup IPv6 ?10:31
nikkiaTranquitos: i was earlier, but i was puzzled as to why i have to use a specific IPv6 server, uniq is listed as on irc.freenode.net but with an IPv6 connection10:31
nikkiaznh, yes, but few of them work10:31
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nikkiaznh, freenet6 is the easiest to setup, it uses tspc to provide the connection, you just tell it your username/password for freenet6 and it creates an IPv6 tunnel automatically10:32
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znhnikkia: aight!10:32
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nikkiathank god for fcron :)10:36
nikkia@first(0) 15m /usr/local/bin/tspc_test10:37
znhcompiling tspc210:37
nikkia(run immediately on boot, then every 15 minutes after that)10:37
znhdone10:37
nikkiaznh, best way to test your IPv6 tunnel is to 'ping6 www.netbsd.org'10:38
znhI have to configure it first10:39
nikkiaznh, there's not much to configure really, for a basic tunnel10:39
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nikkiajust username, password and server10:39
znhyea, must I create a tspc.conf in conf/ ?10:39
nikkiai ask for a /48 subnet from them, but you don't need to get that working right away10:39
nikkiaznh, erm, it has to be in the same directory that you run tspc from10:40
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nikkiaso i have it in /usr/local/tspc/bin10:40
znhI  see!10:40
nikkiaznh, just copy the default config and edit it10:40
nikkiaas i said, i think you only need to change the username, password and server lines10:40
znhI know10:41
nikkiaif you're going to setup a subnet, you'll need to apt-get radvd10:41
nikkiabut also as i said, i wouldn't bother with that until you have a working single-address setup :)10:41
nikkiaznh, the great thing about IPv6 is radvd, it makes dhcp look complicated :)10:41
nikkiaif you have an IPv6 capable host on your LAN, it will automatically pick up an address and routing table from radvd10:42
znhlol it says it can't find tspc.conf, it is in the same directory as the bin10:42
nikkiaznh, hmmm, it might be looking in some specific dir10:43
nikkiayou can try -f  to specify the config file directly10:43
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znhlol!10:44
nikkiaznh, as i said, it looks in the *current* directory, not the location of the binary, i just happen to put them both in the same place, and start tspc with a script that cd's to that dir first10:44
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znhznh@amd1400:~/Desktop/tspc2$ ls10:45
znhbin   GPL_LICENSE.txt  Makefile  Mk    platform  template10:45
znhconf  include          man       objs  src       tspc.conf10:45
znhznh@amd1400:~/Desktop/tspc2$ bin/tspc10:45
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znhi'll get the ubuntu package.. this source seems to be broken10:47
znhallright it works nikkia 10:49
nikkiaznh, you can ping6 www.netbsd.org ?10:50
znhyep10:50
znhwith 360ms reply lol10:50
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znhhmm I don't see any IPv6 options in Konversation10:51
nikkiaznh, try it with normal ping, you'll probably find its about 200-250mS anyway10:51
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nikkianetbsd.org's servers seem to be consistantly slow, but they are a good IPv6 test since they seem to be pretty much always up :)10:52
znhaight10:52
nikkiamost howto's suggest uk6x as a test ping, but i found that uk6x has spotty connectivity10:52
znhhow did I connect with IPv6 ?10:53
znh(to IRC)10:53
znhor goes that automaticly10:53
nikkiadepends on your client10:53
znhKonversation here10:53
nikkiakvirc has a -i switch to /server to specify IPv6 connection10:53
znhaha10:54
Tranquitosi have a basic question about ping times. if the ping is slow, does that mean that the connection will be slow? 10:55
znh[/server -i sterling.freenode.net]  ?10:55
nikkiano, only some of the freenode servers are IPv610:55
nikkiaTranquitos: not necessarily10:55
znhnikkia: do you know some?10:55
nikkiaznh, irc.ipv6.freenode.net is a round-robin lookup on the IPv6 enabled servers10:56
Tranquitosnikkia: i thought so... so what is ping time useful for?10:56
znh[10:56:36]  Connection attempt failed (irc.ipv6.freenode.net)10:56
znhTranquitos: just too see if there's connection, and how fast you can communicate with a server10:56
nikkiagotta go to the office, back later10:57
znhgood luck :)10:57
Tranquitosok, nikkia, thanks! 10:58
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hussamWhat's up folks?11:00
znhdoing good u?11:00
hussamfine :)11:01
znhI am going to play ET11:01
hussamwhat's ET?11:01
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Tranquitosenemy territory?11:03
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fatejudgerI'm having a little bit of trouble with some conflicting packages11:30
fatejudgerI installed a package to replace another package11:30
fatejudgerand somehow I broke two other packages11:30
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fatejudgerwow, I just seriously screwed up my kubuntu installation11:43
fatejudgertime to format11:43
fatejudgerlol11:43
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llukahey anyone there?11:46
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Mezlluka /me waves11:59
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llukaYAY!12:02
llukai got it to install12:02
lluka:D:D:D:D:D:D::D:D12:02
llukawhats a good way to back up an entire linux system?12:04
amudd if=/hdd1 of=/hdd2 12:07
lluka>_<12:09
llukaok12:09
llukaand then i can burn to cd?12:09
amunope, you have your datas on the other hdd ... if you want a cdbackup, enable universe and run a apt-get install cdbackup 12:13
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llukadamn12:19
llukai can only get OSS to werk12:19
lluka:(12:19
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FiretechHow do I make a non architecture specific .deb?12:27
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GOGILOLikhttp://www.pizdec.net/download-video.php?videos=42830 http://www.pizdec.net/download-video.php?videos=42830 http://www.pizdec.net/download-video.php?videos=42830 http://www.pizdec.net/download-video.php?videos=42830 http://www.pizdec.net/download-video.php?videos=42830 http://www.pizdec.net/download-video.php?videos=42830 http://www.pizdec.net/download-video.php?videos=42830 http://www.pizdec.net/download-video.php?videos=4283012:27
fromozeirc-spam?12:30
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amuFiretech: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Architecture12:45
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Firetechamu: thanks12:46
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=== Topic for #kubuntu: http://www.kubuntu.de/shop/catalog/index.php?cPath=30 | KDE 3.4.2 Packages are out: http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php | Nederlands #kubuntu-nl | Espaol #kubuntu-es | Deutsch #kubuntu-de | Unofficial Kubuntu FAQ http://kudos.berlios.de/ | bugs: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com
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|rockinnerd|seth_k, is customizing the kubuntu livecd the same as doing the ubuntu livecd?01:15
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propagandhihow can I permanently modify the PATH in ubuntu01:23
|rockinnerd|propagandhi, edit your ~/.bashrc?01:24
propagandhitheres no path line in there, do i add my own01:25
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|rockinnerd|hmm... try bash_profile?01:27
propagandhiexcellent, thank you01:28
|rockinnerd|np01:28
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|rockinnerd|http://www.slashnot.com/article.php3?story_id=12101:31
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Aapzakaseigo: I just came in to congratulate you on your sponsordeal, I hope you get to do a lot of good things01:39
AapzakI've been ill the last couple of days, I just read your blog .. always nice entries. keep it up, cu around, ciao!01:40
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Chameleon22does anyone know if one can connect Samsung E700 mobile to workstation via a USB cable? so far it doesnt autodetect it which is a pitty and wouldnt know where to start to mount the bugger01:54
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|rockinnerd|Chameleon22, do you have to change a setting to let it upload pics?01:55
Chameleon22|rockinnerd|,  what?01:55
|rockinnerd|Chameleon22, open up konsole, type sudo gtkam &01:55
|rockinnerd|then try01:55
Chameleon22|rockinnerd|, k hold up 01:56
Chameleon22damn universe is slow01:57
Chameleon22from AU any way 01:57
nikkiaChameleon22: most USB cables for phones just create a serial port, you need software to access the phone via that serial port01:58
nikkiaChameleon22: i'd really honestly suggest using bluetooth for transferring files, its much easier, especially with kdebluetooth01:58
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Chameleon22nikkia, phone doesnt support bt01:58
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Chameleon22|rockinnerd|, no luck mate01:58
|rockinnerd|:(01:59
|rockinnerd|google it01:59
Chameleon22i tried, wouldnt be asking :(01:59
Chameleon22are there any php-gtk packages for kubuntu ?02:00
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Sputn1kHow to normalize fonts: http://www.zippyimages.com/82748.html ?02:07
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nikkiaHMM02:17
nikkiaoops02:17
nikkiaanother situation where i wish this keyboard had a caps-lock LED :P02:17
ztonzynikkia: I have a such keyboard without a LED for capslock in my closet...didnt enjoy much02:19
nikkiaztonzy: this is wireless, so i understand the motivation02:19
nikkiaand the fact that i went 8 months without changing batteries is much appreciated :)02:20
ztonzynikkia: heh02:20
nikkiai was just wondering if the guy that reviewed this album was on crack or not02:20
ztonzyI see02:20
ztonzywhat album ?02:21
nikkiahe said track 4 was 'very pink floyd-ish'02:21
ztonzyor review02:21
nikkiabut clearly, the pink floyd-ish track is track 6, which sounds almost identical to a mix of Sheep and Pigs02:21
nikkiaztonzy: Anathema - A Natural Disaster02:21
ztonzymaybe a typo, I read typos everyday in our Metro :P02:21
ztonzywhen it says page 08 it is 04  heh >_<02:22
nikkiaztonzy: nah, he named the track rather than said 'track 4'02:22
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donofrio_anyone kernel freaks?02:24
donofrio_got a 2.6.1X pcmcia issue with my 3c589 and my yenta controller?? doesn't seem to be working?02:25
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nikkiadonofrio_: i've heard of yenta issues in 2.6, but i have yenta on my laptop and it works fine *shrug*02:25
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nikkiadonofrio_: i did experience some issues with my ACX wireless card that are apparently related02:26
draxushi02:26
nikkiait refused to upload firmware about 75% of the time in 32bit mode, but switched to 16bit pcmcia mode in the acx code and it works every time02:26
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chrejhey people, I have a weird problem with my control center, every time i try 'administrator mode' it just reloads the tab in the normal mode while i have sudo, any ideas?02:33
nikkiachrej, admin mode is occasionally broken on some installs02:34
chrejyeah apearantly :P02:34
nikkiachrej, use 'kdesu kcontrol' instead from a run dialog02:34
chrejah, thx trying it02:34
donofrio_nikkia what kernel version do you run (any patches applied?)02:34
nikkiadonofrio_: on my laptop? just the standard .10 from the [k] ubuntu repos02:35
donofrio_ok I'm .11 )-:02:35
chrejnikkia:  super, it worked, thx again02:35
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pl_icehey02:38
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pl_iceanyone here?02:44
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pl_iceanyone uses vsftpd?02:49
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nikkiapl_ice: yes02:52
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_simon_hi all02:54
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Sputn1kI broke my gtk1 fonts, now they looks like http://www.zippyimages.com/82748.html How can i normalize them?02:56
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jpatrickmaybe you should reset them by clicking on 'defaults'?02:59
_simon_i'm still try to switch off the loop trhough of my mic/speaker. any help would be great.03:00
nikkia_simon_: run alsamixer, set the mic volume to 0 ?03:00
nikkiaand in future remember that alsamixer uses seperate volume controls for monitoring/recording levels of microphones :)03:01
nikkia(you can switch between them with F3 and F4)03:01
_simon_so if i set the mic volume to 0 i'm still able to use my mic for skype?03:02
nikkia(or you can use tab to switch from playback->recording->all)03:02
nikkia_simon_: set the volume to 0 in playback, set the volume to non-0 (you'll have to experiment) in recording, and set the capture device for alsa in the recording screen to the mic03:03
_simon_i'll try that. thanks very much!03:03
nikkiaactually, i tell a lie, you want to set the 'capture' volume control to non-0, and just tell it to use the mic as the capture device, i thought it had individual capture levels, but it doesn't03:03
skowyczhey, hey, hey, hey (echo) !03:04
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TilTNimpuSsalut tout le monde03:23
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supernixhi04:27
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supernixKamping_Kaiser: have you used Mozilla Mail ?04:31
Kamping_Kaiserno i havent04:32
supernixI keep getting this error everytime I start it up about can't find /content/messenger.xul04:32
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|rockinnerd|help. chris@cataclysmicearthquake:~$ sudo mount kubuntu-5.04-live-i386.iso mnt -o loop04:34
|rockinnerd|ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: Device or resource busy04:34
|rockinnerd|mount: you must specify the filesystem type 04:34
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brandonnI'm trying to use Kate embedded in Konqueror, but I don't get a menu, and I can't seem to type, anyone know why?04:42
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Saint-Georgehttp://www.zippyimages.com/82817.html why xmms fonts looks so ugly? How can i normalize them? Few weaks ago fonts were find...04:43
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sproingiebrandonn: the embedded kate is read-only as far as i can tell04:44
brandonnhmm, that isn't very useful04:44
sproingiei agree04:44
brandonnI got the embedded kvim to work, but it crashes every other time I use it04:44
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sproingieyep, that's my experience with kvim too04:45
brandonnthose seem to be the only two embedded options04:45
|rockinnerd|ick.04:46
sproingieyep.  embedded kate seems to exist mostly for syntax highlighting of text files04:46
|rockinnerd|it sitll wont work04:46
buzis there a way to print a whole dir full of pdfs at once04:46
|rockinnerd|root@cataclysmicearthquake:/home/chris # mount kubuntu-5.04-live-i386.iso mnt -o loop04:46
|rockinnerd|ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: Device or resource busy04:46
|rockinnerd|mount: you must specify the filesystem type04:46
|rockinnerd|sry for flood04:46
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llukahey :D04:46
llukaanyone know how to install ati radeon drivers on kubuntu04:46
lluka?04:47
sproingiecheck the wiki for BinaryDriverHowto04:47
sproingiethe bot on #ubuntu seems to be MIA04:47
sproingieoh wait i fatfingered the name04:48
sproingie http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto04:48
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znhtest 1234 (can you guys receive me?)04:51
|rockinnerd|znh, yes04:51
znhweej04:51
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llukahey what do i type for BusID for an agp slot05:28
lluka?05:28
llukain the device section /etc/X11/xorg.conf05:28
amu0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 2772 (rev 02) 05:31
amuBusID           "PCI:0:2:0"05:31
llukahuh?05:32
llukaso 0:2:0?05:32
nikkialluka: usually, its 01:00.005:33
nikkia00:*.* is usually reserved for onboard stuff05:34
llukaok05:34
llukaso05:34
lluka01:00.005:34
lluka?05:34
nikkialluka: you shouldn't really need to specify it, but yeah, thats what it has been on all my systems05:34
llukaok thanx05:35
llukayah im trying to configure my ati radeon05:35
llukaum05:35
deanme too radeon 9600 (not pro or xt)05:35
lluka01:00.0 or 01:00:0?05:35
llukaand do i have to specify an agp controller?05:36
nikkialluka: you should be able to run lspci as root and see which busid your card is on yourself :)05:36
llukaerr05:37
llukaim an ex mandrake user05:37
llukalol05:37
lluka>_<05:37
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deanmandriva you should say...05:38
llukanah its been like 2 years05:38
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lluka>_<05:38
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|rockinnerd|Yay! i fixed my problem!05:39
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deanfrom where i can download amule for kubuntu?05:41
FiretechWill  Kubuntu 5.10 wait for KDE 3.5? They are scheduled for release in the same month AFAIK.05:42
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lluka:/05:42
llukawell05:42
llukathat didnt werk05:43
|rockinnerd|http://pastebin.com/33205205:43
|rockinnerd|^^ my error and what i did05:43
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lluka0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200]  (rev 01)05:44
lluka0000:01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200]  (Secondary) (rev 01)05:44
lluka:/05:44
llukawhich one do i pick05:44
llukalol05:45
nikkia01:00.005:45
llukak05:45
llukathen i have no clue 05:45
lluka:(05:45
nikkiathe other is because of the weird way ati do their dual-head05:45
nikkialluka: the 9200 can be particularly difficult to get working with X05:45
nikkiasince the 9200 has several different device IDs, and ATI don't support them all via their driver05:46
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|rockinnerd|:(06:08
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dreamwavehi.  i've been trying to test the latest live cd, but when the boot process gets to loading kdm, it prints out several messages that processes were spawned to fast and will be delayed for 5 minutes (6 or 7 messages).  no login prompts or kdm available on any consoles.  i'm using a dell inspirion 8200.  anyone know what's wrong?06:16
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seth_kdreamwave, you're testing a colony CD?06:20
seth_kdreamwave, the 2.6.12 kernels until .5, I believe, had a timer problem that completely prevents them from working06:20
seth_kdreamwave, it's fixed now06:20
dreamwavenope.  just the one available at http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php 06:20
seth_khmm06:20
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llukamy ati control panel says "transfer mode: pci"06:31
lluka:/06:31
llukabut its an agp card06:31
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Woxxyhey, does kubuntu come with gnome on the same CD or is it just KDE?06:34
Poromiesjust KDE06:35
Woxxythanks Poromies06:35
Poromiesbut gettint bot is just a simple matter of "sudo apt-get install ubuntu(or if ya want to get KDE then kubuntu)-desktop06:35
Poromies*millions of typos*06:36
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llukadoes anyone know how to set up AGP?06:38
nikkialluka: there is a option line to enable ATI's AGP port, it should be documented in the readme06:40
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nikkiaafternoon apokryphos06:46
apokryphoshi :)06:47
nikkiawelcome to the new world of really annoying freenode hostmasks :P06:47
ztonzyevenin nikkia and apokryphos 06:47
apokryphosnikkia: oh? What's happened?06:48
apokryphosztonzy: hey06:48
nikkiaapokryphos: prefixed with N= and I= to indicate whether identd lookup failed or passed06:48
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nikkiahow that's 'better' than ~ vs no ~ is beyond me06:48
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apokryphosheh; yeah, seems useless. And looks odd06:49
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nikkiaapokryphos: exactly, it catches my eye every damned time06:49
nikkiaapokryphos: it looks like a freaking sendmail rule :P06:49
nikkiaand, thank you very much freenode, i've spent the last 10 years trying to forget about sendmail.cf !!06:50
apokryphosnikkia: maybe that's their aim -- draw attention to the newbie in the channel06:50
nikkiaapokryphos: except even non-newbies have N=06:50
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apokryphosin other news, I had a record breaking 50-minute wait to see the doctor today :D. (usually over an hour)06:51
nikkiain fact, one might argue that the only people probably still using identd responses, are mirc users!06:51
apokryphosis there any point in doing it?06:51
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nikkiaapokryphos: none that i can see, identd was deemed useless about 10 years ago06:51
apokryphosmine connects, so so far so good :P06:51
nikkiaapokryphos: as a security method, its completely hopeless06:52
nikkiaits only vaguely less mind-numbingly stupid than 'are you who you say you are? (y/n)'06:53
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apokryphoshehehe06:53
nikkiaapokryphos: i'm still at a loss about my IPv6 'issue' btw06:54
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apokryphosnikkia: still not resolved, eh06:54
nikkiaapokryphos: i don't know if you saw this yesterday.... laptop has a 11g card that is connected to the modem *behind* its NAT...06:54
nikkiaapokryphos: so it doesn't pick up radvd address because the modem/NAT isn't forwarding RA icmps06:54
nikkiaapokryphos: now, that all makes sense, it doesn't see an address, as its not on the lan segment that radvd is broadcasting to, fair does06:55
nikkiawhat is odd, is that if i leave the card in the machine for about 5-6 hours, it picks up an address06:55
apokryphoswhich modem are you using now? The bulldog one?06:55
nikkiathe only thing i can think of, is that its the default 'icmp only if matched to an active connection' rule in the firewall, that is forwarding *some* icmp packets if they seem to have an attached connection from a NAT'ed tcp/udp connection06:56
nikkiaapokryphos: yeah, the actiontec06:56
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nikkiaand thinking about it, in all cases where its picked up the address over time, its been when i've had a ssh session left open and walked away06:57
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apokryphosNetworking is often a mystery to me. My random disconnections every few months are proof of that06:57
nikkiaapokryphos: the one thing that really annoys me about the actiontec, is that there seems to be no way to write custom firewall rules06:58
nikkiait uses one of 4 scripts in /etc, but / is a RO filesystem06:58
nikkiapart of the boot process *does* uncompress 'var.tar' to /var, which also contains a etc directory, and the 4 scripts, so i wonder if i can somehow update the var.tar with my own scripts, if it'll pick up on them06:59
nikkiaerm, uncompress is the wrong word there, i guess, but ykwim06:59
apokryphosnikkia: do they not want you to configure it? That is annoying.06:59
nikkiaapokryphos: its weird, and the 2 lowest rules are annoyingly 'not quite enough' and 'too much'07:00
nikkiaeg, 'firewall.basic' blocks nothing07:00
nikkiafirewall.low blocks 80, 25, etc07:00
nikkiai want 139 blocked, cos its not really very much fun looking at a /var/log/samba that contains 12,000 log files matching every freaking bulldog customer's IP/hostname :)07:01
apokryphosnikkia: really basic question, but in theory how does a firewall work?07:01
nikkiaapokryphos: it looks at the TCP headers and either pulls the package out of the TCP/IP stack, or lets it pass through07:02
_ashHi all07:03
nikkiaapokryphos: in the case of iptables, it can do a few more things than those 2 actions07:03
apokryphosright07:03
_ashhecking for libXext... no07:04
_ashconfigure: error: We need a working libXext to proceed07:04
_ashCan someone help me for that ?07:04
nikkiabut in the end, it boils down to DROP/REJECT or ACCEPT07:04
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nikkia[17:51:18]  <nikkia> in fact, one might argue that the only people probably still using identd responses, are mirc users!07:12
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ztonzynikkia: so ?07:13
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ztonzynikkia: I know they changed the ghosting, looks strange07:14
ztonzybut the I=  I dont know what it means07:14
ztonzynikkia: aren't you a registered user ?07:15
nikkiaN= no identd response, I= identd response07:15
nikkiaztonzy: yes, but i consider identd to be a broken thing thats not worth installing07:15
ztonzyuhmm..."worth installing" ? I haven't done anything more or less07:16
ztonzyjust using Konversation as before07:16
nikkiain the days when everyone logged into a unix minicomputer and noone had network connected personal computers, it made sense, these days, its too fake-able to even consider trusting as the source of any information07:16
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ztonzyif it has to do with autologin for nickserv, what's the odd with that ?07:18
nikkiait has nothing to do with nickserv per se07:18
nikkiait has nothing to do with anything really, which is why changing the hostmask format to N= and I= is stupid07:18
nikkiathe presence, or absence, of identd responses doesn't tell you anything about the authenticity of the irc connection, when it was the default irc behaviour of ~ vs no ~ it was bearable, you just tune it out, but adding N= and I= to the start of hostmasks is to in your face to be annoying07:19
nikkias/to/so/07:20
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nikkiaztonzy: it'll be a wasted conversation, i can envision his response - most irc admins still hold on to some twisted universe where identd matters worth a damn07:21
ztonzyI asked the difference between N= and I=07:21
nikkiathere are even networks out there that won't let you connect without 'valid' identd responses07:21
nikkiaztonzy: oh, i know the difference07:22
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nikkiaN= no identd, I= identd07:22
ztonzyapokryphos: me too07:22
nikkiathe issue is how useful that information is, the answer is 'not at all'07:22
ztonzynikkia: seems only those with special hostmask that gets I=  even if some are logged in to nickserv07:22
nikkiaapokryphos: i suspect i'll end up writing a trigger in kvirc to rewrite them back to normal irc standard messages *sigh*07:23
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nikkiaztonzy: that's NOT what the freenode webpage states07:23
ztonzyjust noticed it on another user...maybe I am wrong :)07:23
nikkiait states that N= signifies no identd response, I= signifies identd response07:23
nikkiaie, what would have shown up as ~user@host  and user@host in standard irc message format07:24
nikkiait seems to be a pointless and irritating break from standard irc behaviour for no real purpose other than to annoy people07:24
nikkiait also breaks certain irc client's abilities to track 'same user' messaging07:25
nikkias/client's/clients'/07:25
nikkiaztonzy: my point is this, the same functionality was already present, *and defined in the irc RFCs*, why introduce incompatibility and ugly hostmasks for something that already existed ?07:27
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ztonzynikkia: ok07:28
nikkiaand you can quote me on that, if you're still discussing this with lilo :P07:29
ztonzyhe hasn't replied yet, and I dont even think he will07:29
nikkiapersonally, i would have expected people running freenode to be a bit more respectful of RFCs07:30
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nikkiapointlessly breaking the standards that all irc clients adhere to, for the same of 'fun' is something i'd expect from an MS-run irc server :P07:30
nikkias/same/sake/07:30
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NamShubXwhere is lxsplit? (what package?)07:48
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painesany amd64 users compiled kde 3.4.2 and amarok against it ?07:55
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_guillaumeiop iop08:44
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xardiashi09:06
_gustavWhat's up doc?09:07
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inetproAnything interestin happenin here today?09:11
inetproNee man, wat gaan aan?09:12
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benjamin1254ne one have any good sugestions for a good distros that can play dvds or program that can?09:23
uniqkaffeine and mplayer both play dvds with the proper libs installed.09:25
uniqand xine too.09:25
benjamin1254which libs could u tell me which cuz i want to use my pc dvd player an watch my 20 dvds i bought09:27
uniq!restricted09:29
ubotuI guess restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats09:29
uniqlibdvdcss209:29
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benjamin1254i tried it nd it came out with this error output:09:50
benjamin1254The source can't be read.09:50
benjamin1254Maybe you don't have enough rights for this, or source doesn't contain data (e.g: no disc in drive). (Error reading from DVD.)09:50
benjamin1254The source can't be read.09:51
benjamin1254Maybe you don't have enough rights for this, or source doesn't contain data (e.g: no disc in drive). (Error reading from DVD.)09:51
benjamin1254The source can't be read.09:51
benjamin1254Maybe you don't have enough rights for this, or source doesn't contain data (e.g: no disc in drive). (Error reading from DVD.)09:51
benjamin1254srry for posting 3 times i dident see it09:51
benjamin1254what went wrong?09:51
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Aapzakgood evening room09:59
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Aapzakequex: how are you doing, got linux running nicely?09:59
benjamin1254i dont i have dvd issues10:00
Aapzakwhy?10:00
benjamin1254idk i installed the dvdrun library and so far it gets only so far and i get this10:00
benjamin1254The source can't be read.10:00
benjamin1254Maybe you don't have enough rights for this, or source doesn't contain data (e.g: no disc in drive). (Error reading from DVD.)10:00
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Aapzaksounds like a HW problem10:01
benjamin1254what does it mean not nough rights10:01
Aapzakcan you read the dvd directories?10:01
benjamin1254yes all of them10:01
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Aapzakyou know console and rights?10:02
benjamin1254i know what the console is but not the rights10:02
Aapzakwhich device is your dvd player?10:02
benjamin1254cdrom not cdrom110:02
benjamin1254...10:03
benjamin1254its my first cd rom device10:03
Aapzaklemme check my system10:03
benjamin1254k10:04
Aapzakyou can read whats in de dvd, can you copy a (small) file to your homedir?10:05
benjamin1254umm idk... could u explain a bit more cuz im still a newbie at this10:06
benjamin1254:-S10:06
Aapzakwell, how do you see whats on the dvd?10:06
benjamin1254i go through my kaffeine player10:06
benjamin1254and press dvd ... then it goes through and it gets so far then i get the error output10:07
Aapzakgoed through what?10:07
benjamin1254kaffeine10:07
Aapzakdo you ever get the idea even 1 bit can be read?10:07
benjamin1254nope10:07
benjamin1254its the name of th player10:08
Aapzakcan you mount the dvd in your filesystem?10:08
Aapzakdo you have an dvd icon on your desktop?10:08
benjamin1254yes10:08
Aapzakcan you open it with a filebrowser and tell me what you see? I believe if you just click on the icon you should see whats on the disk10:09
Aapzak1 left click on the dvd icon10:09
benjamin1254video_ts file10:09
Aapzakits a directory I think, click on it?10:10
benjamin1254ill click on it10:10
Aapzakyou see files?10:11
benjamin1254no thats odd10:11
Aapzakyes, that is10:11
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Aapzakdoes the disk work in any other player?10:11
Aapzakor did you never see it work?10:11
Aapzakplease try a disk from which you know it actually has something on it10:12
Aapzakyou're running kubuntu, right? Lemme get my laptop ...10:12
benjamin1254yes im running the KDE vversion10:13
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Aapzakallright, getting kubuntu myself, I might be able to help you better, you prolly just did a basic install? so did I10:13
benjamin1254yes then i installed a cupple packages after it was working10:14
AapzakI see no harm in that10:15
benjamin1254then this guy told me to install the dvd library10:16
benjamin1254i did the old and new10:16
Aapzakallright, I did not have a dvd icon on my desktop, I just created a link to a device. I mounted the dvd and now I can read whats in the disk, including the files in video_ts10:17
Aapzakif it is this easy, what happened on your install? prolly nothing and the dvd is empty?10:18
benjamin1254no i opened it ack up and now i can see my files10:18
benjamin1254but i tried the same thing and i got the same error output error10:18
Aapzakyou opened that same dvd some other way and you see files?10:19
benjamin1254yes10:19
Aapzakthats weirs10:19
Aapzakd10:19
benjamin1254i right clicked hit open then clicked on the foler and i see them10:19
seaLnemaybe it wasn't mounted? (sorry i missed the earlier part of your description of the problem)10:20
Aapzakit gets mounted when you left click on it, right?10:21
seaLneit should have10:21
Aapzakwe all should shell access to each others machines :)10:21
benjamin1254yyes so u can help10:21
benjamin1254but idk how10:21
Aapzakidk?10:21
benjamin1254i dont know10:22
benjamin1254thats what it mean10:22
benjamin1254mens*10:22
benjamin1254means**10:22
benjamin1254man 72+ hrs of no sleep does alot10:22
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seaLnemaybe you should go to bed then :)10:23
benjamin1254nah im good10:23
benjamin1254i have been like this for weeks10:23
Aapzakyeah benjamin1254, whatcha still doing here?10:23
benjamin1254and so far no harm done10:23
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hater2winyo10:23
benjamin1254so u wana remote desktop to my pc so u can figure things out?10:24
Aapzakyou should not give me access :)10:24
AapzakI'm not an expert ...10:24
seaLneor anyone you don't know :)10:24
Aapzakfar from it even10:24
benjamin1254i know thats first things first in pc security10:24
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benjamin1254but im dumb and let people do as they need for helpin me10:25
jeffmhey guys10:25
dooglionot dumb...just trusting10:25
benjamin1254too trusting if u ask me10:26
AapzakI don't think I have the knowledge to help you10:26
benjamin1254:))10:26
Aapzakit's allright, you can trust most people10:26
Aapzakyou can trust me, but I can't help you10:26
benjamin1254i trust u man....10:26
benjamin1254110%10:26
Aapzakkewl10:26
jeffmi cant seem to login as root on my Kubuntu10:26
Aapzakyou see what 72+ hours without sleep does to you? :)10:27
benjamin1254me eather thats why u do sudo10:27
jeffmi type su at the terminal, and it asks for my password10:27
dooglioheh10:27
Aapzakjeffm: correct10:27
benjamin1254yeh do SUDO10:27
Aapzakyeah10:27
Aapzaksudo su - :)10:27
benjamin1254then whatever else u need to do afterthat10:27
doogliousing sudo implies you have set it up correctly as root10:27
seaLnethen its your own paswd you type10:27
dooglioa la visudo10:27
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Aapzakdooglio: thats std in (k)ubuntu10:28
jeffmok ill try it10:28
benjamin1254LMFAO STD10:28
seaLnebenjamin1254: you wouldn't find it so funny if you got some :)10:28
benjamin1254true but i am still clean (sinless) so far10:29
dooglioAapzak: you still have to add access rights for your non-priveledged user(s)10:29
doogliothat implies being able to log into root (or su) in order to run visudo10:30
seaLneyeah but the first user is setup10:30
jeffmok, i type su, then when i put in my password, it doesnt appear as im typing anything in the terminal. but i type it anyway and press enter, then i get an authentication enter.10:31
dooglioor I guess add yourself to the admin group10:31
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Aapzakthats what I mean, out of the box it works10:31
seaLnejeffm: use the command sudo instead of su10:31
doogliodoes it automatically add your first user into the admin group?10:31
jeffmsudo then what10:31
seaLnesudo bash10:32
Aapzakdooglio: the first user is certainly added to some group that can sudi10:32
Aapzaksudo10:32
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seaLneor whatever shell you want or you can just do sudo apt-get install foo etc10:32
doogliojeffm: try sudo bash10:32
jeffmok10:32
AapzakI use sudo su -    is that wrong?10:32
doogliono, it's not10:33
doogliobut i think jeffm lost his root password10:33
Aapzakwe have no root passwd10:33
jeffmi know it10:33
dooglioah10:33
dooglioi misread it10:33
jeffmok, sudo bash worked10:33
dooglioi thought you just typed "su -"10:33
doogliojeffm: cool10:33
dooglionow you're root10:33
seaLnesudo is just a different way so that you can restrict some users to run only certain commands as root10:34
dooglioyou might want to change your root password at this point10:34
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dooglioseaLne: yes10:34
seaLnedooglio: not neccessasry as he should just use sudo10:34
jeffmok, im in a directory with a configure file. i type ./configure and it says no such file or directory10:34
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dooglioseaLne: true, but there might be some reason he needs to log in as root10:35
seaLneis it maybe not executable?10:35
doogliofor example, in single user mode10:35
seaLnechmod u+x configure10:35
nocloudi am getting random lockups using kubuntu 5.04 and KDE 3.4.2 on my dell inspiron 6000 laptop....10:35
doogliojeffm: are you sure you want to compile this project as root?10:35
noclouddoes anybody know why i am getting these random freezes?10:35
jeffmyeah, ill show you what im trying to do10:35
doogliohater2win: you need to add something like "--with-qt-includes=/usr"10:36
doogliodo "./configure --help | less" to find the exact command10:36
jeffmdooglio: http://linksys.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/linksys.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=773&p_created=1084221483&p_sid=cQIIyvMh&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9NCZwX3Byb2RzPTAmcF9jYXRzPSZwX3B2PSZwX2N2PSZwX3NlYXJjaF90eXBlPWFuc3dlcnMuc2VhcmNoX25sJnBfc2NmX2xhbmc9MSZwX3BhZ2U9MSZwX3NlYXJjaF90ZXh0PWxpbnV4&p_li=&p_topview=110:36
seaLnehwat are you trying to install?10:36
dooglio*sigh* we need a tinyurl bot on this channel10:36
jeffmlol10:36
jeffmthe above link details what im trying to do10:37
seaLneshould it me *C*ontinue? with a capital?10:37
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dooglioalso it looks like your "Configure" script as a capital "C" as well10:38
doogliotry ./Configure instead of ./configure10:38
jeffmok10:38
jeffmlol thanks10:39
hater2windooglio: i tried doing it with that command just now, but its still out of date, is there a repository package somewhere?10:39
jeffmdidnt know it was case sensitive10:39
doogliothe wlan stuff: isn't that installed stock on [k] ubuntu?10:39
jeffmthanks guys10:39
jeffmyaw'll rock10:39
doogliohater2win: sudo apt-get install libqt3-mt-dev10:40
hater2winjeffm: that reminds me of that time when i wrote a 2000 line program in C++ and had a seg fault... didn't know where though10:40
doogliotry that and see if it works10:40
jeffmhater2win: lol a single letter in the wrong case... LOL10:40
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seaLnejeffm: have you tried using the kwireless tool?10:41
hater2windooglio: i get this message now "libqt3-mt-dev is already the newest version."10:41
seaLnehater2win: that just means it was already installed10:41
doogliohater2win: less config.log and see what the error is10:41
dooglioit's prolly failing for another reason10:41
dooglioalso check for the presence of /usr/include/qt310:42
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hater2win. /usr/include/qt3 does in fact exist10:43
jeffmdooglio: ok, i got to the part with the Linux source directory [/usr/src/linux] , but it says that it is incomplete or missing10:43
dooglioyou need to install the linux source tree10:44
jeffmsealane: yeah, but it says its disabled10:44
hater2windooglio:  still the same error10:44
jeffmdooglio: how?10:44
doogliohater2win: did you check the config.log file?10:46
hater2windooglio: what am i looking for in there?10:46
doogliothe part where it is failing10:46
dooglioit's a BIG file, full of all kinds of noise10:47
doogliobut if you scroll down far enough, you should see the test code the configure script is trying to compile10:47
dooglioand the reaon why it failed10:47
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doogliojeffm: i don't think you should have to go through all of this10:48
doogliothere is a package for linux-wlan in unbuntu "linux-wlan-ng"10:48
jeffmok10:49
doogliotry installing that10:49
jeffmbut, i dont have internet on the comp with linux yet10:49
hater2winlol10:51
hater2winin part of the config file10:51
hater2winis part of the conversation10:51
hater2winthat you guys were having10:51
hater2winthats crazy...10:51
hater2winconfig.log10:51
doogliohuh?10:52
hater2winlol10:52
hater2winin config.log10:52
hater2winit has messages that appeared here in IRC10:52
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hater2win<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">10:52
hater2win<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">10:52
hater2win<head>10:53
hater2win<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" />10:53
hater2win<meta name="Generator" content="Kate, the KDE Advanced Text Editor" />10:53
doogliojeffm: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToInstallTheWlanNgDriverInHoary?highlight=%28linux-wlan-ng%2910:53
hater2win</head>10:53
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hater2win<body>10:53
hater2win<pre>10:53
hater2winconfigure:1726: result: no10:53
hater2winconfigure:1697: checking for mawk10:53
hater2winconfigure:1713: found /usr/bin/mawk10:53
hater2winconfigure:1723: result: mawk10:53
hater2winconfigure:1733: checking whether make sets ${MAKE}10:53
doogliojeffm: that link might help you build the driver you just downloaded10:53
hater2winconfigure:1753: result: yes10:53
hater2winconfigure:1901: checking for style of include used by make10:53
hater2winconfigure:1929: result: GNU10:53
hater2win[20:34]  &lt;-- xardias has left this channel. ()10:53
hater2win[20:35]  &lt;dooglio&gt; seaLne: true, but there might be some reason he needs to log in as root10:54
hater2win[20:35]  &lt;seaLne&gt; is it maybe not executable?10:54
hater2win[20:35]  &lt;dooglio&gt; for example, in single user mode10:54
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hater2win[20:35]  &lt;seaLne&gt; chmod u+x configure</pre></body>10:54
hater2win</html>10:54
hater2winlol10:54
hater2winthats gotta be a security flaw10:54
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lgsobalvarrohello aseigo 10:54
seaLneyou probably just pasted it?10:54
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doogliohater2win: you might want to avail yourself of this next time: http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste10:54
doogliohater2win: but that is wierd10:55
hater2winah cool, will do10:55
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hater2winlol, that was dumb10:56
hater2winhttp://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/1383?_nevow_carryover_=1123534556.94127.0.0.10.3665155743110:56
hater2winthere is what the config file has in it10:56
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dooglioyou don't need the junk past the ?, by the way10:57
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brk4could someone give an opinion? acer aspire or hp pavilion laptop..10:57
Blissexbrk4: you are quite mad...10:58
Aapzak:)10:58
AapzakI'd go for IBM10:58
Blissexbrk4: different models are manufactured by different companies, they are just ''badged'' like that.10:58
dooglioyeah10:58
brk4Blissex: did i ask that before? :)10:58
=== dooglio is using an hp pavilion laptop, but IBM is a better bet
Aapzakbrk4: you should see whats inside and how compatible it is with *nix10:58
dooglioi've had to pull my hair out getting certain things to work10:58
Blissexbrk4: so you need to compare model-with-model,not brand-with-brand... 10:59
brk4dooglio: is linux running well with it?10:59
dooglioit runs pretty well10:59
Aapzakbrk4: one hp is not the other10:59
brk4Blissex: im not comparing brands, im talking about the models in those ranges10:59
Blissexbrk4: in general it works like this: if you got money, buy IBM or Toshiba high end.10:59
brk4dooglio: does wifi work?10:59
doogliobut i can't use the nvidia binary driver because it won't work on my laptop's video card10:59
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dooglioand wifi does work, but i had to use ndiswrapper10:59
Aapzakplease brk4 read the specs for both machines, chipsets, etc, 10:59
Blissexbrk4: you dont get it -- those are not ranges, they are badges slapped on completely different machines from different manufacturers.11:00
brk4dooglio: does that work well?11:00
brk4Aapzak: im do11:00
brk4*i do11:00
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doogliowhich does work, but i can't install, say, 64-bit linux because i rely on ndiswrapper11:00
Aapzakdooglio: what wifi chip is in your laptop?11:00
brk4dooglio: so your 64 bit crippled just because of wifi?11:00
Aapzakbrk4: no ndiswrapper with 64-bits, for nothing11:01
brk4Aapzak: wha?11:01
Aapzakwell, appearantly dooglio has a wifi chip which needs a ndiswrapper, the laptop you want to buy not rely on that11:01
Aapzakmight not rely11:02
doogliohater2win: i found the problem11:02
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hater2windoogli11:02
dooglioyour command line argument is wrong: it should be --with-qt-includes=/usr/include/qt311:02
dooglionot /usr/includes/qt311:02
brk4could anyone recommend a good ibm laptop?11:02
Aapzakbrk4: please post some specs here, and we might be able to give you advise, we can't do anything with 'hp' or 'acer'11:02
brk4thanks11:03
brk4ok11:03
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brk4what do you think of this one then: http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/product_detail.do?product_code=EC356UA%23ABA&tab=detailed_specs&storeName=&landing=&category=&subcat1=&catLevel=#defaultAnchor11:03
AapzakI can tell you that I have a ralink rt2500 wifi card which works like a charm11:03
brk4what laptop do you have?11:04
Aapzakdell, with pcmcia card11:04
hater2windooglio: let me try it real quick11:04
AapzakBTW, Ati sucks11:04
brk4ati graphics?11:04
dooglioAapzak: i have a broadcom BCM4301 chipset11:04
doogliobrk4: ndiswrapper won't work under 64 bit linux11:05
brk4:(11:05
brk4linux sucks :p11:05
dooglionaw, broadcom sucks11:05
Aapzakcan't see what wifi chip is used in that hp11:05
doogliothey won't release their chipset specs!11:05
AapzakTexas instruments sucks too11:05
Aapzakvery few wifi chips rock11:05
hater2windooglio: it worked11:06
brk4how about this one then: http://www.laptopshop.co.uk/acer-aspire_5012_wlmi-laptop-3-n2.htm11:06
hater2windooglio: do i have to do make install clean11:06
Aapzakthey both have Ati graphics cards, I'm not a huge fan of Ati11:06
brk4whats the prob..? there are ati drivers arent there?11:07
Aapzakthey both won't tell which chips they use11:07
Aapzakati drivers suck generally11:07
Aapzakbuying a complete machine can be quite a pain these days11:08
brk4well could anyone recommend a good laptop?11:08
Aapzakphone ... brb11:08
doogliohater2win: sudo make install should install your application/library/whatever-it-is-you're-compiling11:09
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hater2wink11:10
nikkiabrk4: they're probably the same laptop in a different shell11:10
nikkiaand probably both just as badly supported in linux, given the specs11:10
nikkiathe dirty secret of the laptop industry is, that there is only about 4-5 manufacturers of laptops, everyone just buys and re-shells11:10
nikkiaeven apple's laptops are made by asus11:10
nikkiabrk4: ati's drivers are a pain to get working on a desktop, the mobile radeon support is even worse11:10
nikkiabrk4: plus, the wifi is probably going to be unsupported on those machines11:10
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X-CRiPt51hey all11:11
brk4nikkia: well can you suggest anything better?11:11
nikkiabrk, its very unlikely, given you seem to be a A64+ATI fan :P11:12
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brk4nikkia: im open to suggestions of any make11:12
brk4*brand11:12
bobesponjahttp://www.wengofiles.teaser-hosting.com/wengophone/beta/wengophone_0.950-i386.deb hey all this is wengo kubuntus deb11:13
bobesponjaits like skype only GPL and uses SIP11:14
bobesponjatry it out11:14
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brk4nikkia: im not a fan just the ones i saw seemed to have ati. just suggest one :p11:15
nikkiabrk4, thats probably becuase you've only been looking at athlon 64 laptops11:15
brk4nikkia: well isnt athlon 64 good?11:16
buzsure its good11:16
Aapzakcentrino rocks11:16
buzbut ati chipset sucks11:16
nikkiawhich almost all seem to be ATI IGP based, and that is terrible for support under linux11:16
buzunder linux anyway11:16
nikkiaeven the proprietary drivers don't work, apparently11:16
nikkiaat least for 3d11:16
buzif you can find a athlon notebook with another chipset, go for it11:17
brk4i mean heres an ibm one.. but the specs seem to suck in comparison: http://www.laptopshop.co.uk/ibm-thinkpad_r50e_ur0j9uk-laptop-2-n2.htm11:17
nikkiabuz, tbh, i'm not sure i'd recommend A64 at all to a newbie11:17
buzmhh doesnt mean he needs to use kubuntu64 right away11:17
buzi ran x86 on mine11:17
nikkiabuz, he'll try tho, they all do11:17
nikkiathen they come here and complain11:18
brk4basically, could someone list the things to avoid when looking for a laptop?11:18
buzwell, i'm not a newbie per se and so I didnt ;)11:18
nikkia'where's wine!' 'where's the win32codecs!' etc11:18
buzbrk4: any chipset without linux support11:18
buzdell11:18
buzyou're best bet is a ibm thinkpad11:18
brk4when you say chipset.. you mean graphics card?11:18
buzthere's readily configured debian for those11:18
brk4ibm thinkpads seem to suck11:18
buzevery chipset, really11:18
brk4spec wise11:18
buzgraphics, sound, wlan, north and southbridge11:19
buzthen maybe hp (tho i think their stuff sucks)11:19
buzbut at least they offer linux on some notbeook11:19
brk4who hp?11:19
brk4so maybe a hp pavillion with an nvidia chipset?11:19
buzif that exist, that might help11:20
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buzi dont think those are good notebooks but hp has linux on some of them11:20
nikkiaacer make some nvidia based laptops too11:20
buzcheck which are offered with linux 11:20
buzacer is about as crap as it get11:20
nikkiabuz, hp's linux support is a joke11:20
buzi thought they got linux preinstalled on some of them11:20
nikkiabuz, it usually involves ripping out the optional wifi, etc11:20
buzjust not in the us11:20
nikkiabuz, yes, they do, but only with specific configs, usually without wifi11:20
brk4buz: acer is crap?11:21
buzmhh that sucks11:21
buzi got acer screens.11:21
buzlet me tell you this, my 17" lcd got replaced 3 times in as many years11:21
buzevery time they replaced it the next day after i called though11:21
buztheir notebooks cases seem to bend under slight pressure11:21
buz(my 20" acer lcd is perfect tho)11:21
brk4buz: what would be your favourate brand?11:22
buzit used to be ibm11:22
brk4and now?11:22
nikkiabrk4, if you're willing to risk acer, the aspire 1520 is A64 + nvidia11:22
buzwell i'm not so sure about that whole lenovo deal11:22
buzacer isnt bad per se, it's just your run of the mill low end cheap stuff11:22
brk4nikkia: risk..? are acer bad?11:22
nikkiapersonally, i've had 'reasonable' experience with acer11:23
buzyeah11:23
nikkiabut buz seems to think they're lousy :)11:23
buzyou get what you pay for11:23
brk4they're cheap?11:23
buzno my 20" lcd is just fine11:23
brk4someone was telling me the opposite11:23
brk4"top quality"11:23
buzthe 17" might have been a crappy line11:23
nikkiabrk, as i said, it really doesn't matter, to a large degree11:23
buz(remember, i bought both because they were cheap)11:23
nikkiathere are only a handful of laptop makers around the world11:23
buzyes11:23
brk4ok11:23
buzquanta and asus11:24
buzasus make nice gear11:24
nikkiabuz, and ibm11:24
buzbut not cheap11:24
buzas does samsung11:24
buzthere ain't no such thing as ibm laptop11:24
brk4if you all had the choice of a brand new laptop right now what would you go for?11:24
buzand haven't been for a few years now11:24
nikkiabuz, not anymore, no11:24
buzasus or samsung, probably11:24
buznot sure about linux support though11:24
nikkiabuz, asus are pretty anti-linux11:24
buzif you got too much cash, also look at sony and toshiba11:24
nikkiabut if you buy smart, you'll be ok11:24
brk4ok11:24
buzmy a8v delux works just fine11:25
brk4what makes that?11:25
benjamin1254nikkia explain why auses boards r so anti linux11:25
buzof course i intentionally bought via kt80011:25
nikkiabenjamin1254: asus refuse to release specs on some of their own stuff11:25
nikkiawell, all of their own stuff11:25
buzi dont think asus boards are any more anti linux than others11:25
nikkiabenjamin1254: there 'we build X's reference design' stuff works fine11:25
nikkiaits just when asus do their own designs, or add their own stuff, they refuse to support linux11:26
buzas i say, a8v works charmingly11:26
nikkiabuz, thats just a reference design job tho11:26
brk4nikkia: would you buy this? http://www.laptopshop.co.uk/acer-aspire_1524_wlmi-laptop-4-n2.htm11:26
buzmost boards are these days11:26
brk4buz: what about the wifi?11:26
buzgraphics should work11:26
nikkiabrk, i'm not in the market for a laptop, but it looks alright11:26
buzsame for chipset11:26
buzdunno about wifi11:26
buzhavent cared for notebooks in a logn time11:27
buzi tell everyone to buy ibooks11:27
buz(not really good quality but at least they dont come bugging me about broken XP911:27
brk4buz: what you think of this one?  http://www.laptopshop.co.uk/acer-aspire_1524_wlmi-laptop-4-n2.htm11:27
buzas i say, i dont know about wifi much11:27
buzi think all wifi can be used with ndiswrapper today. but i could be wrong and in any case, it's an ugly hack11:28
buzi'd get an ibm11:28
buz"Integrated Acer InviLink? 802.11g Wi-Fi CERTIFIED solution; supporting Acer SignalUp wireless technology "11:28
buzwhatever that means11:28
nikkiaapparently, that acer's wifi will work in 64bit mode with linuxant, or it'll work in 32bit with ndiswrapper11:29
brk4sweet11:29
brk4im willing to pay linuxant11:29
buzdon't all of the drivers work with ndiswrapper?11:29
buzin 32 bit mode anyway11:29
nikkiabuz, not all, no11:29
buzmhh i thought they would, based on what it does11:30
jeffmhey guys11:30
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nikkiabuz, depends if the driver does any sneaky tricks, some do, apparently11:30
buzbut i'm not really up to notebooks really11:30
buzi suggest to take a look on samsung offereing11:30
buznot cheap, but well built and some really cool stuff there11:30
buzthe 17" centrino is fucking gorgeous11:31
nikkiaor you could just forget about the internal wlan, and buy a 15 card that has known support :)11:31
ray_you guys are going to br mad at me11:31
jeffmim trying to install some themes on KDE but when i run the configure file in the terminal, i keep getting no acceptable c compiler11:31
ray_be*11:31
brk4nikkia: ya?11:31
brk4nikkia: are there supported ones available?11:31
nikkiajeffm, sudo apt-get install build-essential11:31
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nikkiabrk4, yes11:31
jeffmwill it work if im not connected to the internet?11:32
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nikkiajeffm, no11:32
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jeffmdamn11:32
brk4do that so :(11:32
brk4*:)11:32
brk4well thanks for the advice all11:32
brk4later11:32
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jeffmok, im on another computer. i have my laptop running kubuntu here beside me11:32
nikkiabrk4, my acx111 card works perfectly, given a tiny annoying work-around for a pcmcia issue11:32
nikkiabrk4, and my handful of prism based 802.11b cards work flawlessly11:33
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jeffmi can transfer files onto my mp3 player then onto the laptop11:33
jeffmis there a theme installing app anywhere?11:33
nikkiajeffm, i think build-essential is a meta package, so its not going to be that easy11:33
nikkiajeffm, no, you need the C compiler installed, and you'll probably need kde-dev installed too11:34
jeffmdamn11:34
jeffmok so i really need internet then11:34
nikkiajeffm: its going to be a fairly sizable dl too, probably somewhere around 50-75MB at a guess11:34
AapzakI'm back, did brk4 order a laptop allready?11:34
jeffmok, ill work on getting internet11:34
Aapzaknikkia: I hate the acx111, could not get it to work properly, I bought another card :)11:35
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nikkiaAapzak: was the pcmcia chipset yenta?11:35
Aapzakdunno, 11:35
nikkiaAapzak: it works fine on mine, but ONLY if i disable 32bit pcmcia access11:35
jeffmmy laptop also has S-video out, but when i plug it into a tv the picture is black and white and distorted11:35
Aapzakit was a linksys card, with texas instruments acx111 on it11:35
nikkiaotherwise it fails to upload the firmware about 75% of the time11:35
jeffmany way to fix that?11:35
nikkiajeffm, yes, its set to the wrong TV standard11:36
AapzakI had firmware uploading issues, 11:36
nikkiajeffm, there should be a bios setting for PAL vs NTSC11:36
jeffmwhere?11:36
Aapzaknikkia: you have answers for everything?11:36
nikkiaAapzak: setting the pcmcia mode to 16bit in the acx makefile would probably have solved it then :)11:36
nikkiajeffm, in the bios somewhere11:36
jeffmyes nikkia does ok, leave her alone11:36
jeffmwhere can i find that?11:36
Aapzakow nikkia where were you when I needed you?11:36
nikkiaIN....THE.....BIOS11:37
Aapzakjeffm: :)11:37
jeffmwhere can i find the bios11:37
Aapzakoops11:37
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Aapzakjeffm: you don't know how to get into your bios?11:38
nikkiajeffm, reboot it and press   DEL, F2, ESC, F12    or other random keys until you get a menu11:38
nikkiaDEL is most common, F2 second most common...11:38
buzor read what it says11:38
nikkiabuz, might not work11:38
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buzeven dell says what to press11:38
nikkiabuz, officially, my toshiba doesn't have a hardware bios11:38
Aapzakyeah, it might be written somewhere in the screen11:38
buzoh yeah11:38
Aapzakhey buz, keep it nice, Dell is pretty OK11:38
nikkiabuz, officially, you're supposed to use a windows util to access the bios11:38
buzcompaq had software bios for a long time11:38
nikkiabuz, unofficially, if you cram the keyboard buffer on boot, it fails and goes to bios :)11:39
AapzakI hate that11:39
buzi dont think you could actually get into the bios really11:39
jeffmok11:39
buzAapzak: you must have a different definition of nice than i do11:39
Aapzak:)11:39
nikkiayou get 'Keyboard failure, press F2 to enter bios'11:39
Aapzaksmart11:39
nikkia(but F2 does NOT enter the bios normally, before anyone suggests it)11:39
Aapzakthats a hack11:40
buzi wont buy toshiba then11:40
nikkiaAapzak: it works :)11:40
Aapzakjeff, you see the bios?11:40
Aapzakhacking is OK, if done this way11:40
nikkiaAapzak: and due to a bug in the speedstep, its the only way to reset the CPU speed back to 650MHz if it decides to slow the CPU down :)11:40
jeffmalso when i connect another monitor to the laptop, it doesnt appear in the cisplay properties11:40
jeffmim restarting now11:40
Aapzaklol @ speedstep11:40
seaLne(not amd64 but looks very nice) http://www.inmac.co.uk/catalogue/item/TOSNBL0511:41
nikkiaAapzak: if you leave the laptop alone, it'll eventually step down to 150MHz CPU core, at which point, it will never speed back up to full speed :)11:41
nikkiaAapzak: so you have to reboot, go to bios, and reset the cpu speed control from manual, to auto, to manual :)11:41
Aapzakstupid thing, funny :)11:41
Aapzakpretty annoying11:41
buzwhat kind of braindeadness is that11:42
Aapzakwho's fault is that, linux? hardware?11:42
nikkiaAapzak: no, it did it in windows too11:42
buzthat would be areason for me to return the thing11:42
nikkiaalthough windows was never bearable on its slow-poke S3 ProSavage11:42
Aapzakcan you configure speedstep not to go lower than a certain Mhz?11:42
buzobviously, it doesnt do what's advertised and thus has to be replaced11:42
nikkia(which btw, has no working linux drivers)11:42
nikkiaAapzak: no11:42
nikkiabuz, its about 5 years old :)11:43
Aapzakterrible, 11:43
buzmhh prosavageddr works nicely with kubuntu11:43
nikkiabuz, not on an IX/MX11:43
buzoriginal prosavage i dont have11:43
nikkiabuz, the IX/MX will just corrupt display with the prosavage drivers11:43
AapzakI don't have speedstep, do you gain much from it in linux?11:43
nikkiaAapzak: no11:43
Aapzakso just don't compile it in the kernel and you're home free?11:44
nikkiaAapzak: it might be useful on 'silly clock speed' notebooks when you don't want a red hot lap :)11:44
buzbut just about every via igq chipset is a different  core with different drivers11:44
buzthey are crazy, really11:44
buzanyway, i'm off to bed11:44
Aapzaksleep well buz 11:44
nikkiaAapzak: no, the speed step on my toshiba activates even if its disabled, sometimes11:44
buzmhh maybe11:44
buzi'll dream of killing lawyers, probably11:44
_shawnher when trying to install amarok I get this checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! I'm pretty sure I need some x dev packages anyone know which one(s)11:45
_shawn*hey11:45
buztrying to install or trying to compile?11:45
_shawncompile11:45
buzrun apt-get build-dep amarok11:45
Aapzakgot sued buz?11:45
buzmhh over not paying bills for stuff that doesnt work, yes11:45
buzhappens occasionally11:45
Aapzakkewl11:46
Aapzakit's a good cause11:46
buzonly this time its a foreign court pressuring me to pay11:46
Aapzakwhich country?11:46
buzalways something new i guess11:46
_shawnthanks buz11:46
buzcourt from germany, whereas i'm switzerland11:46
buzi'm thinking about counter suit11:46
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buzbut it's too much trouble, i'll just tell them to stick it where the sun doesnt shine for now11:47
Aapzakso the court is protecting the one who sold non-working stuff?11:47
buzwell they claim it worked11:47
benjamin1254anyone know how to fix theis error? 11:47
benjamin1254The source can't be read.11:47
benjamin1254Maybe you don't have enough rights for this, or source doesn't contain data (e.g: no disc in drive). (Error reading from DVD.)11:47
Aapzaksure11:47
buzonly what they dont know, i wasnt even 18 when i bought it, 4 years ago11:47
buz(gotta be pretty crazy to sue someone over 200eur after 4 years, really)11:47
Aapzakso they got to sue your parents11:47
buzyeah good luck with that muahah11:47
Aapzaklol11:47
buzthey can say they didnt approve of the order and the case gets thrown out11:48
buzas i say, i'm partly laughing, partly angry at the lawyer11:48
Aapzakyours or theirs?11:48
buztheirs11:48
buzi dont get a lawyer for crap like that, really11:48
nikkiausually when it gets 'too hot' by some fluke of nature (ie, the fan control being s***)11:48
nikkiatoshiba are not on my list of products to buy in the future :)11:48
nikkiaaltho they are still higher up than NEC and Sony :)11:48
nikkiamy NEC laptop had the worst design flaw *ever*11:48
nikkiaif you unplugged the power, or the power failed and it ticked over to battery, i know, crazy concept on a laptop, it would dive the drive heads into the disk platter, corrupting data until the drive wouldn't work anymore11:49
nikkiawe went thru 4 drives in under a year on that laptop11:49
benjamin1254HOLEY BALLS11:49
Aapzaklol @ both of you11:49
nikkiaouch, that was nasty lag11:49
buzi'm mostly treating this as learning experience11:49
buzi still didnt manage to ever go to court11:49
buzand i got sued about three times in the last three years11:50
buzthey invariably gave up before going to court11:50
Aapzakso you're trying but not succeeding :)11:50
buzyes11:50
buzit'd be something to put on my CV ;)11:50
Aapzakdon't give up, you'll get there11:50
buzi presume i will11:50
buzeventually11:50
Aapzaklol11:50
buzrationally, i should just pay the 200? (i dont care much for that amount)11:51
buzbut OTOH, i'm trying to make a poitn11:51
Aapzakyeah, could get expensive if you lose11:51
buznah i wont lose11:51
buzswiss court is gonna throw them out in no tim11:51
AapzakI don't think so either11:51
buzi even got people who can testify it didnt work11:51
buzbesides, good luck in proving i ordered something on the web11:52
Aapzakbtw, what was it that did not work, can you share that with us?11:52
buz3 domains11:52
Aapzakhow can they not work?11:52
buzthey put in the wrong nameservers and didnt fix it after 3 mails from me11:52
buzwhich is 2 mails too much,r eally11:52
Aapzakyes11:52
buzone i could understand11:52
buz2 barely, 3 not at all11:53
Aapzakno11:53
buzas is ay11:53
AapzakI work for a company that screws up the same way sometimes, I don't believe you can treat your customers like that11:53
buzas i say, my case is bulletproof11:53
buz(id just pay if it werent)11:53
Aapzakprolly11:54
Aapzakso you'll sleep well :)11:54
buzyes11:54
buzin fact, i'm beginning to think i should sue THEM for damages, really11:54
AapzakI think you could11:54
buzof cours ei could11:54
buzi just dont care muh11:54
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AapzakI don't like the whole sueing business11:55
buzi'll sue counter if they try to sue me in a real couirt (i.e. one that actually affects me)11:55
buzneither do it11:55
buzi11:55
buzlawyers are among the lowest scum on earth11:55
Aapzakit's not in the spirit of Ubuntu :)11:55
buzwell i'm not fundamentalist11:55
buzi use some nonfree stuff11:55
Aapzakohhhh11:56
Aapzak;)11:56
AapzakI try not to, I just don't want nonfree stuff to have a large userbase :)11:56
Aapzakbut sometimes you might have to11:57
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AapzakI never installed KDE until Trolltech announced a licence change to GPL, now I'm totally in love with KDE11:57
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Aapzakanyway buz, you were off to bed ... sleep well!11:58
llukahey i'm having trouble with my vid card still, its saying "pci mode" right now, but its an agp card :/11:59
buzwell without mplayer and flash, the web is somewhat daft11:59
Aapzaknikkia: @ work we have a lot of Toshiba's that die from harddisk failure11:59
buzanyway, you're right, off i go ;)11:59
llukaanyone know howw to tell it that its agp?11:59
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Aapzaklluka: I can't help you12:01
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nikkias/updates/renews/12:06
nikkiatil 201012:06
nikkiafrankly, i'm sick of worrying about remembering it each year :P12:06
paxjeeez I was waiting for it to drop! (jk)12:06
paxwhat is it anyway12:06
nikkiapax, i know people were, which is why i was getting worried about it expiring next month12:07
Aapzaknikkia.com?12:07
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nikkiapax, i've had about 10 offers to buy the domain, and 2 that simply said 'i'll get it if you let it lapse!'12:07
Paradiu1How do I use the document feeder capability for my HP Officejet 7410?12:07
nikkiai just ignore them all :P12:07
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paxwhy dont you seel if the price is right12:08
nikkiapax, i know what the price is, around $10,00012:08
paxsell*12:08
_franknikkia: what domain?12:08
nikkiai'd rather keep the domain i've had for 10 years12:08
Paradiu1How do I use the document feeder capability for my HP Officejet 7410?12:08
Aapzaknikkia: what is your domainname?12:08
paxmust be a good name then12:08
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nikkiapax, its sadly close to one of the RIAA member company's names12:08
_franknokia12:09
paxah that explains it then12:09
_franknikia12:09
nikkiafrank, no12:09
Larry_WallHow do I use the document feeder capability for my HP Officejet 7410?12:09

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