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| mdke | hey jsgotangco | 10:43 |
| Madpilot | ah, people. having fun riding the splits? | 10:43 |
| jsgotangco | hey | 10:43 |
| jsgotangco | so there's a split | 10:43 |
| jsgotangco | that's why | 10:43 |
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| jsgotangco | whats up? | 10:44 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: long time no chat | 10:44 |
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| Madpilot | server mnt at freenode, actually. the main channel is bizarre | 10:44 |
| mdke | hi Madpilot | 10:44 |
| Madpilot | hi mdke | 10:44 |
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| jsgotangco | internet is shitty on my side today | 10:45 |
| Madpilot | .ph is the Phillipines, right? | 10:46 |
| mdke | for a change :) | 10:46 |
| jsgotangco | right | 10:46 |
| Madpilot | sorry, just running whois on ppl... | 10:47 |
| jsgotangco | heh im staying more at home lately anyways | 10:47 |
| Madpilot | only 198 users over on the main channel - least I've ever seen... | 10:48 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, i saw you say you've finished your job | 10:49 |
| mdke | got any plans? | 10:49 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: i'm living off my savings at the moment looking at employment in a few days though | 10:50 |
| mdke | k | 10:50 |
| jsgotangco | i can be your stenographer if you want :) i type 72wpm :D | 10:50 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 10:50 |
| mdke | you should formalise your role as docteam secretary and talk to mark about a salary | 10:50 |
| Madpilot | there isn't anyone @ Canonical whos primary responsibility is docs, right? | 10:51 |
| jsgotangco | heh yeah maybe i should do that one time | 10:51 |
| mdke | Madpilot, no | 10:51 |
| jsgotangco | Madpilot: there is none at the moment, but that should change soon as the project grows | 10:51 |
| jsgotangco | Madpilot: hence there is really no concrete direction at the moment | 10:52 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, you should do it right now :) | 10:52 |
| jsgotangco | i've been helping out tsf though on the cookbook port but i should move it to tsf servers | 10:53 |
| jsgotangco | once i started forking it for edubuntu | 10:53 |
| jsgotangco | i got an email from froud today turns out he admins those docs from tsf as well heh | 10:54 |
| mdke | tsf? | 10:54 |
| jsgotangco | shuttleworth foundation | 10:54 |
| mdke | hmm | 10:55 |
| jsgotangco | im not surprised after all he did learn linux for them | 10:55 |
| jsgotangco | they currently have a good project at the moment, the ICDL | 10:56 |
| jsgotangco | http://icdl.tsf.org.za/ | 10:56 |
| jsgotangco | if you look at the contact info its inwords.co.za :) | 10:57 |
| mdke | heh | 11:00 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: what about inwords? | 11:00 |
| highvoltage | i'm just on jabber with Sean at the moment. | 11:00 |
| jsgotangco | highvoltage: nothing really, just telling mdke about stuff hehehe its cool | 11:01 |
| highvoltage | ok. cool. | 11:01 |
| jsgotangco | what's Sean's jabber ID? | 11:01 |
| mdke | highvoltage, you can read the scrollback | 11:01 |
| mdke | 10 lines | 11:01 |
| highvoltage | seanwhe@jabberafrica.org | 11:01 |
| highvoltage | mine is jonathan@jabberafrica.org, fwiw | 11:01 |
| jsgotangco | i was thinking of helping out the icdl on the ubuntu part | 11:02 |
| jsgotangco | since it already had mandriva and fedora | 11:02 |
| highvoltage | cool! | 11:02 |
| jsgotangco | ok thanks | 11:03 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: are you aware of any docbook tags that resemble a footnote? | 11:04 |
| Madpilot | I've been adding to this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands but I'm a near-total noob - I'm just adding the commands I'm finding helpful | 11:06 |
| Madpilot | if anyone has suggestions edit away! | 11:06 |
| jsgotangco | checking... | 11:08 |
| mdke | Madpilot, cool | 11:09 |
| jsgotangco | Madpilot: nice one, i suggest simulating a CLI on the samples though | 11:09 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, they exist... i dunno what they are tho, I always just copy from existing stuff | 11:09 |
| Madpilot | I'm considering a total re-format, and there's a couple of things I need to add as well | 11:09 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: yeah im just doing an awful hack at the moment and its not even working for me | 11:09 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 11:10 |
| jsgotangco | i should look into that basic docbook wiki entry might be there | 11:10 |
| Madpilot | the text switches between "terminal", "prompt" and "command line" at random - I need to rationalize that | 11:10 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: did you do this: DocteamDocBookTags | 11:11 |
| mdke | no | 11:13 |
| mdke | Greg did it | 11:13 |
| jsgotangco | ohh | 11:13 |
| mdke | i think it might be in the styleguide? | 11:14 |
| mdke | maybe not... | 11:14 |
| jsgotangco | no its not there was a plan to incorporate some basic docbook tags on the stylguide and i was thinking of adding whats in the wiki entry | 11:15 |
| jsgotangco | i remember jeffsch used to have a good wiki entry on docbook | 11:15 |
| jsgotangco | it just needs to be re-written in an ubuntu context | 11:15 |
| jsgotangco | i'll see you guys later, the father of a very close friend of mine died this morning after a long struggle with lung cancer | 11:19 |
| jsgotangco | laters | 11:19 |
| Madpilot | later, jsgotangco | 11:19 |
| Madpilot | I'm off myself. g'night/morning/whatever, all | 11:37 |
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| jsgotangco | is the xsl stylesheet for xml in hoary borked? | 03:21 |
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| mgalvin | g'morning all | 03:41 |
| jsgotangco | hey mgalvin | 03:42 |
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| jsgotangco | man A9.com is awesome | 03:50 |
| jsgotangco | AJAX on steroids | 03:50 |
| jjesse | that's the amazon search right? | 03:50 |
| jsgotangco | yup that's an amazon research | 03:51 |
| jsgotangco | i don't like the history stuff though | 03:51 |
| jsgotangco | it kept reminding me that I checked out jessica simpson last night | 03:52 |
| jsgotangco | but having google, images and wikipedia in one search is really nice | 03:52 |
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| jsgotangco | good night all | 04:20 |
| mdke | night mate | 04:20 |
| jsgotangco | wow | 04:20 |
| jsgotangco | mdke! | 04:20 |
| jsgotangco | why have you've been silent? | 04:20 |
| mdke | i'm at my computer less nowadays | 04:20 |
| jsgotangco | i see | 04:20 |
| mdke | so i use email more | 04:20 |
| mdke | in the last couple of weeks I've been quite busy with ubuntu-it | 04:21 |
| jsgotangco | i'm trying to figure out this script i ripped from jeffsch | 04:21 |
| jsgotangco | i see | 04:21 |
| jsgotangco | bye | 04:32 |
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| jjesse | slow day today? | 05:11 |
| mgalvin | i can see the tumble weeds ;) | 05:12 |
| mpt | whoa | 05:16 |
| mpt | Try opening an SVG document in yelp | 05:16 |
| jjesse | bad news? | 05:16 |
| mpt | endless cascade of yelp windows :-) | 05:16 |
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| Burgundavia | grumble grumble | 09:38 |
| Burgundavia | daniels cursed me | 09:39 |
| Burgundavia | I haven't had a single issue with X until now | 09:39 |
| Burgundavia | and now there is nobody here it bitch at | 09:41 |
| jjesse | problems? | 09:45 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 09:46 |
| Burgundavia | it gets to the where it would boot X and just goes to a non-graphical login | 09:46 |
| Burgundavia | no attempt to start X | 09:46 |
| Burgundavia | quite ironic, I got borked by the unborking release | 09:47 |
| jjesse | that sucks | 09:59 |
| mpt | ok, the Gnome User Guide is officially scary | 10:05 |
| mpt | Number of words in GUG's "Customizing the Desktop Background": 517. Number of words in Ubuntu Help's "Changing the desktop background": 117. | 10:08 |
| jjesse | wow that is a ton | 10:10 |
| mpt | I guess at some point the GUG was written by people who were paid by the word ... | 10:11 |
| jjesse | what would be the reason for that many words? | 10:11 |
| mpt | well, there's a *lot* of repetition | 10:12 |
| mpt | not of sentences, but of phrases | 10:12 |
| mpt | For example, three sentences matching the pattern "Choose * from the Background Style drop-down list*" | 10:13 |
| mpt | and just basic floweriness, like "Alternatively, you can select" instead of "Or choose" | 10:14 |
| mpt | I don't go for fewest words, though, I go for fewest syllables :-) | 10:16 |
| jjesse | go for best word | 10:16 |
| mpt | fewest syllables usually leads to best word | 10:16 |
| mpt | because a smaller word is much more likely to be common | 10:17 |
| mpt | easier to read, etc | 10:17 |
| mpt | The GUG also has a habit of doing a depth-first traversal of the interface, which leads to it explaining the bleeding obvious while not offering help on likely problems | 10:24 |
| mpt | example of the bleeding obvious: "The Pick a Color dialog is displayed. Choose a color, then click OK." | 10:26 |
| mpt | example of not offering help on likely problems: It doesn't even tell you how to find the Desktop Background preferences in the first place. | 10:27 |
| Burgundavia | ouch | 10:43 |
| Burgundavia | mpt, you follow desktop-devel? | 10:43 |
| mpt | yes | 10:44 |
| Burgundavia | thoughts on thread about device icon action? | 10:44 |
| Burgundavia | I notice that OS X does the same thing as nautilus (show the file manager) | 10:45 |
| mpt | My personal opinion is that Nautilus should have a "View" > "as Album" mode that gives you a Play button for music files, pictures, and movies | 10:47 |
| mpt | (along with other buttons relevant to the filetype) | 10:47 |
| Burgundavia | ya | 10:48 |
| mpt | but I guess that's some distance from current reality and developer direction :-) | 10:48 |
| Burgundavia | I personally think the default double click should be to play the dvd/cd | 10:48 |
| Burgundavia | that is most likely what the person wants to do | 10:48 |
| mpt | In other words, I agree with those who want double-clicking on it to open the device window, *and* those who want double-clicking on it to open an interface for playing the media :-) | 10:49 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 10:50 |
| Burgundavia | going to play with by breezy system again, try and fix it | 10:54 |
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| Burgundavia | I accidentally removed gdm from my system | 11:04 |
| Madpilot | that was brilliant | 11:05 |
| Madpilot | hi Burgundavia | 11:05 |
| Burgundavia | salut mon frere | 11:07 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot, are you not at work? | 11:07 |
| Burgundavia | I have some very nice classical music. I should listen to it more often | 11:10 |
| Madpilot | I don't work Mondays - my week is Tues-Sat for now | 11:11 |
| Burgundavia | random app --> http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=995 | 11:12 |
| === mpt wants xplanet built in to the Desktop Background prefs | ||
| Burgundavia | that would be cool | 11:53 |
| Madpilot | xplanet is the "live" Earth-from-orbit simulator, right? | 11:56 |
| mpt | no, that's xearth :-) | 11:56 |
| mpt | xplanet is Earth + other planets + Sun + Moon | 11:57 |
| Madpilot | very cool. they're both in Hoary's repos, I see. any tricks to setting them up? | 11:57 |
| === mpt shrugs | ||
| mpt | The last time I used either of them was xearth in 1998 | 11:57 |
| mpt | though I did design the prefs for the non-Free (shame! shame!) OSXplanet | 11:58 |
| Madpilot | perhaps I'll mess with them later this week - and then write a wiki page about it! | 11:58 |
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