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[10:43] hey [10:43] so there's a split [10:43] that's why === hornbeck [N=hornbeck@adsl-69-155-172-150.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:44] whats up? [10:44] mdke: long time no chat === mdke nods [10:44] server mnt at freenode, actually. the main channel is bizarre [10:44] hi Madpilot [10:44] hi mdke === WaterSevenUb [N=WaterSev@bl5-53-21.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:45] internet is shitty on my side today [10:46] .ph is the Phillipines, right? [10:46] for a change :) [10:46] right [10:47] sorry, just running whois on ppl... [10:47] heh im staying more at home lately anyways [10:48] only 198 users over on the main channel - least I've ever seen... [10:49] jsgotangco, i saw you say you've finished your job [10:49] got any plans? [10:50] mdke: i'm living off my savings at the moment looking at employment in a few days though [10:50] k [10:50] i can be your stenographer if you want :) i type 72wpm :D [10:50] hehe [10:50] you should formalise your role as docteam secretary and talk to mark about a salary [10:51] there isn't anyone @ Canonical whos primary responsibility is docs, right? [10:51] heh yeah maybe i should do that one time [10:51] Madpilot, no [10:51] Madpilot: there is none at the moment, but that should change soon as the project grows [10:52] Madpilot: hence there is really no concrete direction at the moment [10:52] jsgotangco, you should do it right now :) [10:53] i've been helping out tsf though on the cookbook port but i should move it to tsf servers [10:53] once i started forking it for edubuntu [10:54] i got an email from froud today turns out he admins those docs from tsf as well heh [10:54] tsf? [10:54] shuttleworth foundation [10:55] hmm [10:55] im not surprised after all he did learn linux for them [10:56] they currently have a good project at the moment, the ICDL [10:56] http://icdl.tsf.org.za/ [10:57] if you look at the contact info its inwords.co.za :) [11:00] heh [11:00] jsgotangco: what about inwords? [11:00] i'm just on jabber with Sean at the moment. [11:01] highvoltage: nothing really, just telling mdke about stuff hehehe its cool [11:01] ok. cool. [11:01] what's Sean's jabber ID? [11:01] highvoltage, you can read the scrollback [11:01] 10 lines [11:01] seanwhe@jabberafrica.org [11:01] mine is jonathan@jabberafrica.org, fwiw [11:02] i was thinking of helping out the icdl on the ubuntu part [11:02] since it already had mandriva and fedora [11:02] cool! [11:03] ok thanks [11:04] mdke: are you aware of any docbook tags that resemble a footnote? [11:06] I've been adding to this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands but I'm a near-total noob - I'm just adding the commands I'm finding helpful [11:06] if anyone has suggestions edit away! [11:08] checking... [11:09] Madpilot, cool [11:09] Madpilot: nice one, i suggest simulating a CLI on the samples though [11:09] jsgotangco, they exist... i dunno what they are tho, I always just copy from existing stuff [11:09] I'm considering a total re-format, and there's a couple of things I need to add as well [11:09] mdke: yeah im just doing an awful hack at the moment and its not even working for me [11:10] heh [11:10] i should look into that basic docbook wiki entry might be there [11:10] the text switches between "terminal", "prompt" and "command line" at random - I need to rationalize that [11:11] mdke: did you do this: DocteamDocBookTags [11:13] no [11:13] Greg did it [11:13] ohh [11:14] i think it might be in the styleguide? [11:14] maybe not... [11:15] no its not there was a plan to incorporate some basic docbook tags on the stylguide and i was thinking of adding whats in the wiki entry [11:15] i remember jeffsch used to have a good wiki entry on docbook [11:15] it just needs to be re-written in an ubuntu context [11:19] i'll see you guys later, the father of a very close friend of mine died this morning after a long struggle with lung cancer [11:19] laters [11:19] later, jsgotangco [11:37] I'm off myself. g'night/morning/whatever, all === Mez [N=Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [N=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === HrdwrBoB [N=matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jdub [N=jdub@home.waugh.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sladen [I=paul@80.1.73.116] has joined #ubuntu-doc === uniq [I=charlie@3ffe:80ee:31fe:0:0:0:0:33] has joined #ubuntu-doc === segfault [I=segfault@core-dumped.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [N=Mez@82.13.236.115] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hornbeck [N=hornbeck@adsl-69-155-172-150.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [N=WaterSev@82.154.53.21] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kinnison [N=dsilvers@haddenham.pepperfish.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ubuntulog [N=warthylo@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Topic for #ubuntu-doc: Ubuntu Doc Team - general discussion - backlog at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | Projects on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects | This channel tries to follow the tradition of the #gnome-love channel on irc.gimp.net, all new comers and questions are welcomed, as long as you follow the Ubuntu community code of conduct @ http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct first. === Topic (#ubuntu-doc): set by mdke at Mon Jun 20 20:43:03 2005 === asw [N=asw@mcb1013.mcb.harvard.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [N=poningru@pool-68-238-172-180.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [N=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === judax [N=troy@adsl-69-149-116-187.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hornbeck [N=hornbeck@adsl-69-155-172-150.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [N=WaterSev@bl5-53-21.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === uniq [I=charlie@3ffe:80ee:31fe:0:0:0:0:33] has joined #ubuntu-doc === segfault [I=segfault@core-dumped.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [N=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [N=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sladen [I=paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jdub [N=jdub@home.waugh.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [N=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [N=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [N=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === asw [N=asw@mcb1013.mcb.harvard.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kinnison [N=dsilvers@haddenham.pepperfish.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [N=Mez@82.13.236.115] has joined #ubuntu-doc === HrdwrBoB [N=matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [N=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [N=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [N=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === asw [N=asw@mcb1013.mcb.harvard.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kinnison [N=dsilvers@haddenham.pepperfish.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [N=Mez@82.13.236.115] has joined #ubuntu-doc === HrdwrBoB [N=matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rwabel [N=rwabel@gw.ptr-80-238-133-252.customer.ch.netstream.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === avanspronsen [N=andrewv@London-HSE-ppp3542827.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [N=Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [N=Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [N=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === avanspronsen [N=andrewv@London-HSE-ppp3542827.sympatico.ca] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === jsgotangco [N=jgotangc@info1-195.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:21] is the xsl stylesheet for xml in hoary borked? === Mez [N=Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [N=mgalvin@host-66-202-95-170.spr.choiceone.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:41] g'morning all [03:42] hey mgalvin === jjesse [N=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:50] man A9.com is awesome [03:50] AJAX on steroids [03:50] that's the amazon search right? [03:51] yup that's an amazon research [03:51] i don't like the history stuff though [03:52] it kept reminding me that I checked out jessica simpson last night [03:52] but having google, images and wikipedia in one search is really nice === zAo^ [N=zao@zAo.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:20] good night all [04:20] night mate [04:20] wow [04:20] mdke! [04:20] why have you've been silent? [04:20] i'm at my computer less nowadays [04:20] i see [04:20] so i use email more [04:21] in the last couple of weeks I've been quite busy with ubuntu-it [04:21] i'm trying to figure out this script i ripped from jeffsch [04:21] i see [04:32] bye === WaterSevenUb [N=WaterSev@bl5-134-7.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveaz [N=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveaz [N=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:11] slow day today? [05:12] i can see the tumble weeds ;) [05:16] whoa [05:16] Try opening an SVG document in yelp [05:16] bad news? [05:16] endless cascade of yelp windows :-) === zAo^ [N=zao@zAo.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zAo^ [N=zao@zAo.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [N=WaterSev@bl5-42-179.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [N=Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [N=Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [N=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [N=ubuntu@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:38] grumble grumble [09:39] daniels cursed me [09:39] I haven't had a single issue with X until now [09:41] and now there is nobody here it bitch at [09:45] problems? [09:46] yes [09:46] it gets to the where it would boot X and just goes to a non-graphical login [09:46] no attempt to start X [09:47] quite ironic, I got borked by the unborking release [09:59] that sucks [10:05] ok, the Gnome User Guide is officially scary [10:08] Number of words in GUG's "Customizing the Desktop Background": 517. Number of words in Ubuntu Help's "Changing the desktop background": 117. [10:10] wow that is a ton [10:11] I guess at some point the GUG was written by people who were paid by the word ... [10:11] what would be the reason for that many words? [10:12] well, there's a *lot* of repetition [10:12] not of sentences, but of phrases [10:13] For example, three sentences matching the pattern "Choose * from the Background Style drop-down list*" [10:14] and just basic floweriness, like "Alternatively, you can select" instead of "Or choose" [10:16] I don't go for fewest words, though, I go for fewest syllables :-) [10:16] go for best word [10:16] fewest syllables usually leads to best word [10:17] because a smaller word is much more likely to be common [10:17] easier to read, etc [10:24] The GUG also has a habit of doing a depth-first traversal of the interface, which leads to it explaining the bleeding obvious while not offering help on likely problems [10:26] example of the bleeding obvious: "The Pick a Color dialog is displayed. Choose a color, then click OK." [10:27] example of not offering help on likely problems: It doesn't even tell you how to find the Desktop Background preferences in the first place. [10:43] ouch [10:43] mpt, you follow desktop-devel? [10:44] yes [10:44] thoughts on thread about device icon action? [10:45] I notice that OS X does the same thing as nautilus (show the file manager) [10:47] My personal opinion is that Nautilus should have a "View" > "as Album" mode that gives you a Play button for music files, pictures, and movies [10:47] (along with other buttons relevant to the filetype) [10:48] ya [10:48] but I guess that's some distance from current reality and developer direction :-) [10:48] I personally think the default double click should be to play the dvd/cd [10:48] that is most likely what the person wants to do [10:49] In other words, I agree with those who want double-clicking on it to open the device window, *and* those who want double-clicking on it to open an interface for playing the media :-) [10:50] yes [10:54] going to play with by breezy system again, try and fix it === Madpilot [N=yh728@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [N=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia feels stupid now [11:04] I accidentally removed gdm from my system [11:05] that was brilliant [11:05] hi Burgundavia [11:07] salut mon frere [11:07] Madpilot, are you not at work? [11:10] I have some very nice classical music. I should listen to it more often [11:11] I don't work Mondays - my week is Tues-Sat for now [11:12] random app --> http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=995 === mpt wants xplanet built in to the Desktop Background prefs [11:53] that would be cool [11:56] xplanet is the "live" Earth-from-orbit simulator, right? [11:56] no, that's xearth :-) [11:57] xplanet is Earth + other planets + Sun + Moon [11:57] very cool. they're both in Hoary's repos, I see. any tricks to setting them up? === mpt shrugs [11:57] The last time I used either of them was xearth in 1998 [11:58] though I did design the prefs for the non-Free (shame! shame!) OSXplanet [11:58] perhaps I'll mess with them later this week - and then write a wiki page about it!