[09:52] <Madpilot> ?
[10:43] <mdke> hey jsgotangco 
[10:43] <Madpilot> ah, people. having fun riding the splits?
[10:43] <jsgotangco> hey
[10:43] <jsgotangco> so there's a split
[10:43] <jsgotangco> that's why
[10:44] <jsgotangco> whats up?
[10:44] <jsgotangco> mdke: long time no chat
[10:44] <Madpilot> server mnt at freenode, actually. the main channel is bizarre
[10:44] <mdke> hi Madpilot 
[10:44] <Madpilot> hi mdke
[10:45] <jsgotangco> internet is shitty on my side today
[10:46] <Madpilot> .ph is the Phillipines, right?
[10:46] <mdke> for a change :)
[10:46] <jsgotangco> right
[10:47] <Madpilot> sorry, just running whois on ppl... 
[10:47] <jsgotangco> heh im staying more at home lately anyways
[10:48] <Madpilot> only 198 users over on the main channel - least I've ever seen...
[10:49] <mdke> jsgotangco, i saw you say you've finished your job
[10:49] <mdke> got any plans?
[10:50] <jsgotangco> mdke: i'm living off my savings at the moment looking at employment in a few days though
[10:50] <mdke> k
[10:50] <jsgotangco> i can be your stenographer if you want :) i type 72wpm :D
[10:50] <jsgotangco> hehe
[10:50] <mdke> you should formalise your role as docteam secretary and talk to mark about a salary
[10:51] <Madpilot> there isn't anyone @ Canonical whos primary responsibility is docs, right?
[10:51] <jsgotangco> heh yeah maybe i should do that one time
[10:51] <mdke> Madpilot, no
[10:51] <jsgotangco> Madpilot: there is none at the moment, but that should change soon as the project grows
[10:52] <jsgotangco> Madpilot: hence there is really no concrete direction at the moment
[10:52] <mdke> jsgotangco, you should do it right now :)
[10:53] <jsgotangco> i've been helping out tsf though on the cookbook port but i should move it to tsf servers
[10:53] <jsgotangco> once i started forking it for edubuntu
[10:54] <jsgotangco> i got an email from froud today turns out he admins those docs from tsf as well heh
[10:54] <mdke> tsf?
[10:54] <jsgotangco> shuttleworth foundation
[10:55] <mdke> hmm
[10:55] <jsgotangco> im not surprised after all he did learn linux for them
[10:56] <jsgotangco> they currently have a good project at the moment, the ICDL
[10:56] <jsgotangco> http://icdl.tsf.org.za/
[10:57] <jsgotangco> if you look at the contact info its inwords.co.za :)
[11:00] <mdke> heh
[11:00] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: what about inwords?
[11:00] <highvoltage> i'm just on jabber with Sean at the moment.
[11:01] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: nothing really, just telling mdke about stuff hehehe its cool
[11:01] <highvoltage> ok. cool.
[11:01] <jsgotangco> what's Sean's jabber ID?
[11:01] <mdke> highvoltage, you can read the scrollback
[11:01] <mdke> 10 lines
[11:01] <highvoltage> seanwhe@jabberafrica.org
[11:01] <highvoltage> mine is jonathan@jabberafrica.org, fwiw
[11:02] <jsgotangco> i was thinking of helping out the icdl on the ubuntu part
[11:02] <jsgotangco> since it already had mandriva and fedora
[11:02] <highvoltage> cool!
[11:03] <jsgotangco> ok thanks
[11:04] <jsgotangco> mdke: are you aware of any docbook tags that resemble a footnote?
[11:06] <Madpilot> I've been adding to this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands but I'm a near-total noob - I'm just adding the commands I'm finding helpful
[11:06] <Madpilot> if anyone has suggestions edit away!
[11:08] <jsgotangco> checking...
[11:09] <mdke> Madpilot, cool
[11:09] <jsgotangco> Madpilot: nice one, i suggest simulating a CLI on the samples though
[11:09] <mdke> jsgotangco, they exist... i dunno what they are tho, I always just copy from existing stuff
[11:09] <Madpilot> I'm considering a total re-format, and there's a couple of things I need to add as well
[11:09] <jsgotangco> mdke: yeah im just doing an awful hack at the moment and its not even working for me
[11:10] <jsgotangco> heh
[11:10] <jsgotangco> i should look into that basic docbook wiki entry might be there
[11:10] <Madpilot> the text switches between "terminal", "prompt" and "command line" at random - I need to rationalize that
[11:11] <jsgotangco> mdke: did you do this: DocteamDocBookTags
[11:13] <mdke> no
[11:13] <mdke> Greg did it
[11:13] <jsgotangco> ohh
[11:14] <mdke> i think it might be in the styleguide?
[11:14] <mdke> maybe not...
[11:15] <jsgotangco> no its not there was a plan to incorporate some basic docbook tags on the stylguide and i was thinking of adding whats in the wiki entry
[11:15] <jsgotangco> i remember jeffsch used to have a good wiki entry on docbook
[11:15] <jsgotangco> it just needs to be re-written in an ubuntu context
[11:19] <jsgotangco> i'll see you guys later, the father of a very close friend of mine died this morning after a long struggle with lung cancer
[11:19] <jsgotangco> laters
[11:19] <Madpilot> later, jsgotangco
[11:37] <Madpilot> I'm off myself. g'night/morning/whatever, all
[03:21] <jsgotangco> is the xsl stylesheet for xml in hoary borked?
[03:41] <mgalvin> g'morning all
[03:42] <jsgotangco> hey mgalvin
[03:50] <jsgotangco> man A9.com is awesome
[03:50] <jsgotangco> AJAX on steroids
[03:50] <jjesse> that's the amazon search right?
[03:51] <jsgotangco> yup that's an amazon research
[03:51] <jsgotangco> i don't like the history stuff though
[03:52] <jsgotangco> it kept reminding me that I checked out jessica simpson last night
[03:52] <jsgotangco> but having google, images and wikipedia in one search is really nice
[04:20] <jsgotangco> good night all
[04:20] <mdke> night mate
[04:20] <jsgotangco> wow
[04:20] <jsgotangco> mdke!
[04:20] <jsgotangco> why have you've been silent?
[04:20] <mdke> i'm at my computer less nowadays
[04:20] <jsgotangco> i see
[04:20] <mdke> so i use email more
[04:21] <mdke> in the last couple of weeks I've been quite busy with ubuntu-it
[04:21] <jsgotangco> i'm trying to figure out this script i ripped from jeffsch
[04:21] <jsgotangco> i see
[04:32] <jsgotangco> bye
[05:11] <jjesse> slow day today?
[05:12] <mgalvin> i can see the tumble weeds ;)
[05:16] <mpt> whoa
[05:16] <mpt> Try opening an SVG document in yelp
[05:16] <jjesse> bad news?
[05:16] <mpt> endless cascade of yelp windows :-)
[09:38] <Burgundavia> grumble grumble
[09:39] <Burgundavia> daniels cursed me
[09:39] <Burgundavia> I haven't had a single issue with X until now
[09:41] <Burgundavia> and now there is nobody here it bitch at
[09:45] <jjesse> problems?
[09:46] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:46] <Burgundavia> it gets to the where it would boot X and just goes to a non-graphical login
[09:46] <Burgundavia> no attempt to start X
[09:47] <Burgundavia> quite ironic, I got borked by the unborking release
[09:59] <jjesse> that sucks
[10:05] <mpt> ok, the Gnome User Guide is officially scary
[10:08] <mpt> Number of words in GUG's "Customizing the Desktop Background": 517. Number of words in Ubuntu Help's "Changing the desktop background": 117.
[10:10] <jjesse> wow that is a ton
[10:11] <mpt> I guess at some point the GUG was written by people who were paid by the word ...
[10:11] <jjesse> what would be the reason for that many words?
[10:12] <mpt> well, there's a *lot* of repetition
[10:12] <mpt> not of sentences, but of phrases
[10:13] <mpt> For example, three sentences matching the pattern "Choose * from the Background Style drop-down list*"
[10:14] <mpt> and just basic floweriness, like "Alternatively, you can select" instead of "Or choose"
[10:16] <mpt> I don't go for fewest words, though, I go for fewest syllables :-)
[10:16] <jjesse> go for best word
[10:16] <mpt> fewest syllables usually leads to best word
[10:17] <mpt> because a smaller word is much more likely to be common
[10:17] <mpt> easier to read, etc
[10:24] <mpt> The GUG also has a habit of doing a depth-first traversal of the interface, which leads to it explaining the bleeding obvious while not offering help on likely problems
[10:26] <mpt> example of the bleeding obvious: "The Pick a Color dialog is displayed. Choose a color, then click OK."
[10:27] <mpt> example of not offering help on likely problems: It doesn't even tell you how to find the Desktop Background preferences in the first place.
[10:43] <Burgundavia> ouch
[10:43] <Burgundavia> mpt, you follow desktop-devel?
[10:44] <mpt> yes
[10:44] <Burgundavia> thoughts on thread about device icon action?
[10:45] <Burgundavia> I notice that OS X does the same thing as nautilus (show the file manager)
[10:47] <mpt> My personal opinion is that Nautilus should have a "View" > "as Album" mode that gives you a Play button for music files, pictures, and movies
[10:47] <mpt> (along with other buttons relevant to the filetype)
[10:48] <Burgundavia> ya
[10:48] <mpt> but I guess that's some distance from current reality and developer direction :-)
[10:48] <Burgundavia> I personally think the default double click should be to play the dvd/cd
[10:48] <Burgundavia> that is most likely what the person wants to do
[10:49] <mpt> In other words, I agree with those who want double-clicking on it to open the device window, *and* those who want double-clicking on it to open an interface for playing the media :-)
[10:50] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:54] <Burgundavia> going to play with by breezy system again, try and fix it
[11:04] <Burgundavia> I accidentally removed gdm from my system
[11:05] <Madpilot> that was brilliant
[11:05] <Madpilot> hi Burgundavia
[11:07] <Burgundavia> salut mon frere
[11:07] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, are you not at work?
[11:10] <Burgundavia> I have some very nice classical music. I should listen to it more often
[11:11] <Madpilot> I don't work Mondays - my week is Tues-Sat for now
[11:12] <Burgundavia> random app --> http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=995
[11:53] <Burgundavia> that would be cool
[11:56] <Madpilot> xplanet is the "live" Earth-from-orbit simulator, right?
[11:56] <mpt> no, that's xearth :-)
[11:57] <mpt> xplanet is Earth + other planets + Sun + Moon
[11:57] <Madpilot> very cool. they're both in Hoary's repos, I see. any tricks to setting them up?
[11:57] <mpt> The last time I used either of them was xearth in 1998
[11:58] <mpt> though I did design the prefs for the non-Free (shame! shame!) OSXplanet
[11:58] <Madpilot> perhaps I'll mess with them later this week - and then write a wiki page about it!