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mbreitokay, done12:03
dholbachsuper!12:03
dholbachrejoice!12:03
mbreitshould i even join the member group on launchpad now?12:03
dholbachif you're a member, you'll soon get an @ubuntu.com mail adress - that's worth it :-p12:03
tsengno, you need to be added12:03
tsengdholbach: will he?12:03
tsengwhere's mine12:03
mbreit"To apply for membership in Ubuntu, please follow this link, log in (or create a Launchpad /Ubuntu web site account if you don't yet have one, it's the same account you use for wiki and web site editing and everything else in ubuntu) and then join the "ubuntumembers" team."12:04
mbreiti mean the last few words... should i do that now?12:04
Mezdholbach, yeah right - we've been waiting for @ubuntu.com emails for ages12:04
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dholbachMez: how long are you a member now?12:05
tsengmbreit: hm oh12:05
Mezdholbach, I'm about 5'11"12:05
dholbach...12:05
crimsunMez: not height dude, duration.12:06
Mezcrimsun, I know, was a joke12:06
dholbachwhich period of time did we have the pleasure to have you among the motu members?12:06
Mez  2005-06-21 was the date I was approved12:06
tsengi thought it was a good one12:06
crimsunMez: I know ;)12:06
Mezand I've been a MOTU for 12 days12:06
dholbachi see12:07
mbreitshould i join the member group or not??12:08
tsengif the wiki says so, I guess12:08
dholbachmbreit: do it, you'll have to be approved12:08
tsengive never heard of that12:08
mbreitokay, done12:09
Meztseng: it's a new thing12:09
dholbachmbreit: uploaded12:09
mbreitcool12:09
mbreitnow the next question: why does my xorg on my laptop (just upgraded to breezy) not start :(((12:10
tsenghm where is google news rss feed12:10
dholbachmbreit: there was a mail from daniels on that topic12:11
dholbachmbreit: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-August/009421.html12:11
mbreitdholbach: according to his mail it should work12:11
tsenghe might still have bad font paths12:11
mbreityeah... that's my problem12:12
tsengin xorg.conf12:12
tsengmake your paths like this12:12
tseng         FontPath        "/usr/share/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"12:12
mbreitouh? i let dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg create a new config... and that says /usr/share/X11/fonts/...12:13
mbreitoh, well, it's the same ;)12:13
tsenghuh12:13
tsengand you have mkfontdir?12:13
Mezmbreit, my dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg breaks my xorg.conf12:13
MezI had to make my own12:13
mbreittseng: yes, i have it12:14
mbreitbut still "could not open default font "fixed""12:14
mbreitit's xorg -4412:14
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Mezhas 44 gone through now12:16
mbreitMez: since friday...12:16
mbreitbut not for amd64, and that sucks..12:16
dholbachxkbutils installed?12:17
dholbachxkeyboard-config?12:17
dholbachoh sorry ... different problem12:17
mbreitdholbach: yes... its not the xkb problem..12:17
dholbachxfonts-100dpi-transcoded?12:17
mbreityes12:17
dholbachgood night everybody12:25
dholbachi'm off to bed12:25
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mbreitloooool... i have solved my x problem...12:30
mbreitaber studying every line in the log i saw that it used ~/xorg.conf as config file... no idea where that file came from ;)12:31
ajmitchmorning all12:34
mbreithi ajmitch12:34
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crimsunI should look at Thunar packages.02:44
Amaranthick02:47
Amaranthwe don't need thunar, we have the new kickass nautilus :)02:47
Amaranthwhich happens to look a lot like thunar...02:48
tsengAmaranth++02:48
tsengbut anything to get rid of xffm is cool with me02:48
tsengthat thing is even worse than konq02:48
whiprushword02:49
tsengwhiprush: to your mother.02:49
Amaranthhow can it be worse than konq?02:49
tsengdude, have you seen it?02:49
Amaranthdoes it just not do _anything_?02:49
crimsunthunar is in massive churn02:49
whiprushcorrect02:49
Amaranthbecause, i mean, konq is pretty bad02:49
tsengnot only does it not do anything02:49
Amaranthit looks ugly doing it?02:49
crimsuna default perspective hasn't even been set02:49
tsengill screenshot for you02:50
crimsunand god, those march '05 mockups are so ugly02:50
tsengtseng.ath.cx/images/xffm.png02:51
tsengthis is the most crackful application of all time02:51
whiprushheh02:51
whiprushthat's awesome.02:51
tsengcan you guess what a pause button in a file manager does?02:51
tsengI cant.02:51
whiprushnor me02:52
tsengthe red and blue02:52
tseng"scramble"02:52
tseng"unscramble"02:52
crimsundude, xffm is nasty. I'm almost happy xffm4 doesn't build.02:52
whiprushI like the red and green circles on the left02:52
tsengthere is a button for Touch02:52
whiprushno idea what they could possibly mean02:52
tsengwhiprush: it seems to encrypt them with some obscure thing02:52
crimsunMaybe we'll just jack it and make it a metapackage that depends on nautilus. =)02:52
whiprushrol02:52
tsengdude ship thunar with xfce-meta02:53
tsengthrow this pos out02:53
whiprushonly thing neo-nautilus is missing is drag and drop onto the sidebar items02:53
crimsunI'm definitely considering making thunar preferred over xffm4 - if the latter will ever build02:54
tsengplease.02:54
tsenganother complaint, why doesnt xfce use the apps pixmap when i add a launcher02:58
tsengit still wants to use these like half dozen stock ones02:58
tsengor make me navigate to the real one02:58
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crimsunit's less than intelligent03:16
tsengman03:19
tsengi cant figure out how to properly add lil star to the session either03:19
tsengor totally remove the taskbar03:19
tsengi seem to remember this being *more* usable03:20
ajmitchtseng: they probably saw KDE & thought 'we need this!'03:20
tsengmeh03:21
ajmitchplaying catchup with number of icons & buttons they can cram onto a screen03:21
tsengoh, xffm :P03:21
tsengyep03:21
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crimsunoh man, I'm a moron. That epoch is probably why the new xffm4 hasn't built.03:29
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ajmitchwho put an epoch on it?03:30
crimsunBenny (os-works) did03:31
ajmitchhow evil03:32
ajmitchwhy would he do such a thing?03:32
crimsun"* Raise version to keep APT happy."  -- Benedikt Meurer <bm@os-cillation.de>  Wed, 05 Jan 2005 01:11:29 +010003:33
crimsunBenny's a great guy, but that just makes syncing with Debian a nightmare03:33
ajmitchnot just a nightmare, but basically impossible03:34
ajmitchsince your version will always be higher unless debian takes on the epoch as well03:34
crimsuntseng: the "best" you can do is to enable auto-hide for the taskbar (if I understand what you're talking about)03:41
tsengcrimsun: yeah figured03:42
tsengi was sure i removed it totally in 4.003:42
tsengxfce is cute, but i dont think its for me :)03:43
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tsengoh man03:49
tsengxclip installs in /usr/X11R6/bin03:49
tsengthats pretty bong03:49
bddebianbong? Heh03:50
tsengyes.03:53
bddebianDamn UniverseUnmetDeps just seems like it isn't getting any smaller :-(03:56
bmontyi'm trying :)03:56
bmontythere are a lot less a's and b's03:57
ajmitchhello bddebian03:57
bddebianbmonty: Me too but sheesh.. :-)03:58
bddebianHeya ajmitch03:59
bmontythere are a lot of packages there03:59
bmontytseng: did you ever have any luck with that script you were working on?03:59
tsengno03:59
bddebianajmitch: Boxed up the laptop today, plus mouse, wireless card, keyboard, and extra AC adapter.  I just wanna grab an extra battery tomorrow and I hope to ship it out.03:59
tsengpiuparts wasnt as helpful as i hoped03:59
ajmitchbddebian: great03:59
bmontytseng: why not?03:59
tseng^04:00
ajmitchwhat script was this, tseng ?04:00
tsengajmitch: build list of unmetdeps, apt-get source each one04:00
tsengpbuild, install in piuparts04:00
tsengdo you want it04:00
ajmitchah04:00
bmontyyeah04:01
ajmitchsure04:01
bmontyplease email it bmontgom@montynet.org04:01
ajmitchI'll see what I can do to make it play with any scripts I have04:01
tsengits nothing special at all04:01
tsengbut i guess its a start in the right direction04:01
ajmitcheasier than me writing my own 10-liner04:01
bmontyi'm wondering if my efforts would be better spent to make a script to figure out which packages only need a rebuild04:02
bmontyand which have other issues04:02
tsengthats what we are talking about04:02
bmontyI keep thinking that having a uml image of a breezy install would help04:03
tsengsent04:03
ajmitchbmonty: it could be, but I just have a chroot or 304:03
bddebianJust throw them all to a buildd :-)04:03
tsengajmitch: it needs a way to verify the install in piuparts and list it to a file or so04:03
bmontythanks tseng04:03
ajmitchbddebian: we'll probably get that later in the cycle04:03
bddebianajmitch: ?04:03
ajmitchbddebian: lamont or infinity will do a test rebuild of the whole archive04:04
bddebianAhh, then we can stop? ;-)04:04
ajmitchso we get build logs for packages that now FTBFS, but built fine earlier04:04
bddebianbmonty: How are you checking your installs after your rebuild?04:04
ajmitchdon't be stupid, that gives us 10x more work to do :)04:04
bmontybddebian: I login to the pbuilder chroot and install them04:05
bddebianbmonty: From where?  Are you using a local apt repo?04:05
ajmitchlocal apt repositories are dead simple to setup, use mini-dinstall for simplicity04:05
tsengi thought about that too04:06
bddebianajmitch: I have one but it's a PITA to upload and synch for every package :-(04:06
tsengi didnt look too hard at what piuparts is doing04:06
bmontybddebian: I don't have a local repo (though I probably should)04:06
tsengbut it seems to be able to resolve depends given a dpkg04:06
ajmitchbddebian: automate it04:06
bddebianajmitch: I'm too st00pid as you just pointed out :-)04:06
tsengalso, this script would have to run on a system with some serious horsepower04:06
tsengor nothing better to do04:06
tsengits not really game for my laptop04:06
bmontyI use the build-dep to get most of the packages and then do everything else by hand04:07
ajmitchtseng: there re a number of useful tools like dpkg-depcheck, dpkg-checkbuilddeps04:07
ajmitchtseng: I don't have horsepower, just patience04:08
bddebianHmm, maybe I should break out the old Dual PII 450 Proliant :-)04:08
Lathiatheh04:08
Lathiatwhats this for, rebuilding everything?04:08
tsengunmetdeps04:09
tsengfigure out what needs a simple rebuild04:09
tsengand what needs fixed build-deps or something else04:09
Lathiatah04:09
Lathiathow would you do that?04:09
tseng     apt-get source $package04:09
tseng     sudo pbuilder build $package*.dsc04:09
tseng     sudo piuparts -p ${RESULT_DIR}/$package*_i386.deb04:09
tsengsomething like this.04:09
tsengbut what do I know04:10
Amaranthonly one thing left on my system is using libexif10 :/04:10
Amaranthbeagle04:10
tsengbeagle is infallible04:10
tsengyou see nothing.04:10
Amaranthi don't even have it running04:10
Amaranthi don't know why i keep it installed04:10
tsengshould I rebuild it, I guess04:11
ajmitchok, infinity says that auto-rebuilds are ongoing, so we can probably get logs of that sometime & throw together some more work for bddebian04:11
Lathiattseng: hrm, if you set beagle to start on start in the preferences thing, it doesnt04:11
tsengLathiat: thats in cvs04:11
Lathiattseng: ah ok04:11
Lathiatahh i love uni wireless04:11
Lathiatsyncing up a breezy mirror at 1.6M/s04:12
ajmitchLathiat: I really hope they get wireless access turned on before LCA here :)04:12
Lathiatajmitch: :)04:12
bddebianajmitch: More work for me? :-)04:13
ajmitchhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/byDate <-- looks like the rebuilds that we may want04:13
ajmitchbddebian: sure, you seem to have too much free time04:13
bddebianOh yeah04:13
bddebianThis freakin sucks04:14
ajmitchwhat does?04:14
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bddebianIf you don't make a changelog entry and rebuild half of them puke dputing to a local repo because of "unstable"04:14
bddebianHeya crimsun04:15
crimsunhi bddebian04:15
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tsengajmitch: any ideas for the script?04:15
tsengim not sure piuparts is really suited for this04:16
Lathiatwtf04:16
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tsengdude me too04:16
Lathiathow can they possibly have this as some kind of commercial product04:16
tsengjust crashed for the 30th time today04:16
Lathiati click "Automatically synchronize remote mail locally", and it disables the OK button in the preferences dialog04:17
Lathiattseng: that might be a libsoup thing?04:17
tsengmeh04:17
tsengwhats wrong with libsoup?04:17
bmontyi think the only way they make any money is selling the exchange connector04:17
Lathiattseng: it had a soname change, and evo hasnt been rebuilt to suit04:17
tsengits been crashing for awhile04:17
Lathiatthats why the calendar doesnt load among other things04:17
tsengoh, it hasnt?04:17
tsengI see04:18
Lathiati only want to use it so beagle will index my mail04:18
ajmitchtseng: you shouldn't need to even use piuparts04:18
Lathiati need to write a thunderbird plugin for it04:18
ajmitchif you're only checking for dependencies04:18
tsengajmitch: yeah im sure there is something more clever to check installability04:18
tsengill leave that to you, i did at least 2/3rd of it04:19
bddebiana "pbuilder install" using something like apt or dpkg-checkdep would be nice :-)04:19
bddebianerr depcheck04:19
ajmitchalright, email the script you have to me04:19
tsengi did04:19
ajmitchok, might take awhile to show up then04:19
Lathiatthen we can split up the package list and do some kind of distributed building of packages by various MOTUs? :)04:20
tsenghah04:20
tsengill head 50, youll tail 5004:20
tsengand then we'll regroup in the middle04:20
Lathiat:)04:20
tsenghaha04:20
ajmitchand then we can start on the next big group of packages to fix04:21
tsengincoming is back to accepting superfulous .orig.tar.gz04:21
ajmitchwhatever they may be04:21
tsengi was sure it would reject this04:21
Lathiati think all the glu stuff needs changing again04:21
Lathiatto libglu1-mesa04:21
Lathiatnot sure what libgl is supposed to be tho04:21
Lathiatanyone know? or should i harass daniel04:21
tsengi dont know anything.04:22
bddebianheh04:22
Lathiattseng: heh who told you that? :)04:22
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ajmitchLathiat: yeah, not sure what's happening this week with X & mesa04:23
Lathiatman this LT chair im sitting on feels like it wants to snap off04:23
Lathiatajmitch: i figure its libglu1-mesa-dev, but im not sure what we want for libgl1 dev04:23
tsengthe only thing i know about GL is04:23
tsengenemy territory started last week04:23
tsengthis week it insists i dont have DRI04:23
tsengand dies04:23
Lathiatheh04:24
ajmitchyeah, I wouldn't be surprised if my nvidia drivers were broken at the moment04:24
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tsengits radeon04:24
Lathiatim using the new sexy l-r-m04:24
Lathiatmanually installing the drivers was getting tiresome04:24
Lathiatdue to having to reinstall them on every X or kernel upgrade04:24
bur[n] erhas anyone used Parano?  or another sfv file checker for gnome?04:24
=== bur[n] er has a universe request for breezy if it's not too late :\
huband people say that I'm wrong when I say that proprietary drivers are bad04:25
ajmitchbur[n] er: can't say I've heard of it04:26
bur[n] erhttp://parano.berlios.de/04:26
ajmitchit might be possible to slip into breezy04:26
ajmitchI think mdz might be calling for a freeze on new packages soon04:26
bur[n] eri just don't think there are any sfv file checkers in ubuntu right now04:26
ajmitch(for universe)04:27
tsengbuh04:27
bur[n] erit's just a .py and a .glade file04:27
Lathiatbur[n] er: cksfv04:27
bur[n] erwell.. no gtk/gnome sfv checker04:27
tsengwhy in the world would this need so much gui04:27
Lathiattseng: people leeching w4r3z off ftp sites04:27
tsengLathiat: oh.04:27
bur[n] erbecause i want to double click a .sfv file04:27
whiprushjuarez04:27
Lathiatwhich come with SFV files to check its complete04:27
bur[n] erif an xterm came up when double clicking .sfv, i'd be all forit04:28
tsengwhiprush: classic04:28
Lathiatwhiprush: heh04:28
Lathiathrm i wish my battery lasted longer with the brightness up04:28
bur[n] ernot necessarily warez04:28
crimsunmust be emo juarez04:28
bur[n] erlinux isos, big packages, etc04:28
whiprushtseng is sandbagging. His old gentoo side knows exactly what this is for. :p04:28
bur[n] erit also does md504:28
Lathiatthat tool does md5 too so i guess its kinda valid. :)04:28
crimsunthose are usually md5summed or sha1summed04:29
tsengwhiprush: dude dont stereotype me04:29
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whiprushheh04:29
ajmitchwhiprush: you wouldn't be one to mock gentoo users, would you? ;)04:29
bddebianBah, this blows, I think I'll just go back to pr0n ..04:29
bur[n] erin any event, it'd make a nice .md5 checker as well04:29
whiprushNot me. :p04:29
bur[n] erwhat do I gotta do to get this in universe?04:29
ajmitchwiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates04:31
ajmitchor you can package it & we'd take a look at it04:31
bur[n] erdon't suppose you like checkinstall .debs? ;)04:31
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crimsunthat's a no.04:31
crimsunwe don't upload binaries, we upload source + diffs04:32
bur[n] eroh... well source is easy enough to come by :)04:33
ajmitcha source package, not just a source tarball :)04:33
ajmitchas you can see, there's a small backlog of requested packages from users04:34
bur[n] eri see :\04:35
bur[n] erheh04:35
bur[n] ersorry, wish I knew more04:35
tsenglighttpd would be good04:36
tsengbut there were some concerns about upstream on the itp last i looked04:36
whiprushwifiradar could probably be removed from that list once networkmanager is fixed.04:38
bmontyis breezy still going to use gnome-system-tools for network config?04:39
ajmitchbmonty: network manager, afaik04:40
tsenggood night04:40
ajmitchnight tseng04:40
whiprushnite04:40
bddebiangnight tseng04:40
bur[n] erthanks for the help y'all04:40
ajmitchah, first thing in tseng's script, it needs to do apt-get build-dep $unmet04:44
chillywillyboo04:45
bddebianchillywilly!!04:46
bddebianchillywilly: I'm handing over my UniverseUnmetDeps duties to you ;-P04:46
chillywillyuh, yea right04:46
ajmitchgreat, get to work, chillywilly  :)04:47
chillywillyno04:49
chillywillyI think bddebian needs more practice ;)04:50
ajmitchso do you04:50
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bddebianheh04:51
crimsundon't worry, I'm chipping away at UniverseUnmetDeps, too.04:58
crimsunalthough I should budget my time tonight so I can get up early to prep for work tomorrow. :/04:59
bddebianAye :-)04:59
bddebiancrimsun: How do you test your packages after you build them?04:59
bmontyBTW, I'm working from the top of the list04:59
bmontybddebian: you can test the install in the pbuilder chroot05:00
crimsunbddebian: install previous version, upgrade, execute, remove. Install new version, downgrade, execute, remove.05:00
crimsunsometimes the second one's hairy, but the first one's essential.05:01
bddebianUhhh05:01
crimsunI have a breezy chroot and a breezy pbuilder05:02
Lathiatcrimsun: shoudl you not also check an install without upgrade05:03
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hubupdated my 2 packages for REVU05:04
crimsunLathiat: that's the second.05:04
crimsun"Install new version..."05:04
crimsunI suppose I could test for purge as well as remove05:05
crimsunshouldn't make any difference, though05:05
Lathiatwell my point is05:06
Lathiata fresh package05:06
Lathiatmay be missing something in the previous version05:06
Lathiatso you really should purge05:06
Lathiatand i assume then theres an execute before the downgrade part05:06
crimsunerr, I switched the order in the second part.05:07
crimsunyes, I do execute before downgrading.05:07
Lathiatah right05:08
Lathiatmakes sense now05:08
Lathiat:)05:08
bmontycrimsun: do you do your install tests in your chroot?05:09
crimsunbmonty: yeah.05:09
bmontycrimsun: do you know where I can find instructions on how to make my own chroot?05:10
crimsunbmonty: search the wiki for debootstrap, or look in the Debian Developers Guide for the chroot section by Colin Walters05:10
bmontyok, thanks05:11
crimsunnp05:11
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Lathiattseng: buh duh, tried blam recently? :)05:15
bddebianBed time for me.  Gnight folks05:22
bmontyyeah, its about time for me also.....cya all later!05:22
crimsunnight.05:23
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tsengLathiat: yes?12:15
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FiretechHow can you make a debian package that isn't architecture specific?12:19
HostingGeekeasy12:19
HostingGeeksource package12:19
HostingGeekor non-binary package12:20
Firetechwell it's more of a script package12:20
FiretechTrying to package GNU Source Installer12:21
siretartFiretech: make it Architecture: All (instead of Any)12:30
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Firetechdpkg-gencontrol: error: current build architecture i386 does not appear in package's list (All)12:32
Firetechhmm12:32
Mithrandiruse all, not All12:33
Firetechnow it worked.12:34
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Firetechhmm, It's too late for new packages for breezy, right?12:37
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Lathiattseng: nhandled Exception: System.DllNotFoundException: libblam.so12:49
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(tseng/#ubuntu-motu) Lathiat: um12:49
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(tseng/#ubuntu-motu) how did you manage that12:49
(Lathiat/#ubuntu-motu) dunno12:49
(Lathiat/#ubuntu-motu) i jus tupgraded it12:49
(Lathiat/#ubuntu-motu) and it stopped workign12:49
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(Lathiat/#ubuntu-motu) libblam.so is in /usr/lib/blam12:49
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(Lathiat/#ubuntu-motu) and its a valid link12:49
(tseng/#ubuntu-motu) ldd it12:49
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(Lathiat/#ubuntu-motu) libgtkembedmoz.so => not found12:50
(Lathiat/#ubuntu-motu) libxpcom.so => not found12:50
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(tseng/#ubuntu-motu) there you go12:50
tsengmine is correct, wahts wrong with yours?12:51
Lathiatwell libgtkembedmoz.so is in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox only12:51
Lathiatthat be why it cant find it?12:51
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tsengmine can find it12:52
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tseng/usr/lib/mozilla/libgtkembedmoz.so12:53
Lathiathrm12:53
tseng/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/libgtkembedmoz.so12:53
tsenghm12:53
Lathiatmm, i dont have the mozilla one12:53
tsengyeah12:53
tsengoh I know12:54
tsengi didnt fix the build dep i bet12:54
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=== tseng fixes
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Mezsiretart: ping12:55
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tsenguploaded12:56
Lathiatthanks12:59
mbreitsomeone with amd64 here?01:00
HostingGeekmbreit: sf.net has....01:01
mbreitHostingGeek: ??01:02
HostingGeekwtf --- irc.freenode.net sets ban on %*!*HostingGe@*.exetel.com.a01:02
HostingGeekmbreit: sf.net have a compile FARM01:03
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mbreitHostingGeek: i just need someone to verify that nvu segfaults on breezy/amd64 ;)01:04
ogrambreit, the startscript vcalls a wrong binary somehow01:05
mbreitogra: ah, okay... is someone working on that?01:05
ogrambreit, i'd really appreciate if someone workd on nvu since i have to move it to main foe edubuntu but lacking time01:05
ografor even01:05
ograso grab it if you like ;)01:06
mbreitoh, i don't know if it is a good task for a newbie like me01:07
ograits probably only hanging the call to the right binary in the startup script, i havent looked in detail yet01:07
ograchanging even01:07
mbreitbut i get that error only on amd64? on x86 it runs just fine..01:08
ograi havent tried on i386 as well yet... i'll do if i run my next ltsp test...01:08
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mbreitoh, there was a build1 in the source archives... but compilation has failed on all archs01:10
ograaha01:10
ogra!01:10
\shwhat?01:10
ogranvu01:10
\shoergs01:10
mbreiterror: X11/extensions/Print.h: No such file or directory01:10
ogra\sh, edubuntu ...01:10
\shxprint-dev?01:11
mbreitlooks like there are build deps missing...01:11
ogra*sighs deeply*01:11
\shsomething like this01:11
mbreiti'll have a quick look at it... but i don't have that much time today...01:11
\shPackage: xprint01:11
\shBinary: xprt-xprintorg, xprint-common, xprt, xprint01:11
mbreitoh, and there is the depricated xlibs-dev dependency01:12
ograwhy the hell do KDE people tend to put everything in one HUGE source package... thats so silly01:12
Lathiatogra: yeh i noticed like their multimedia stuff was like one big subset01:12
ograrecompiling kig here.... since 3h !!!01:12
Lathiatkig?01:12
mbreitkde interactive geometry01:12
Nafalloogra: followed xorgs example? ;-)01:13
ograits a very small and simple geometry tool01:13
\shogra: calm down...breath...calm down :) it's such a nice day :)01:13
ogracompiling it alone would work within 5min01:13
ogra\sh, i'm under total pressure01:13
Nafalloogra: you should split kde for breezy+1 ;-)01:13
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\shogra: we as well..until yesterday night01:14
\shs/we/me/01:14
ograNafallo, ha ha ha01:14
ogra(note the tired tone in the ha)01:14
\shor no...we is correct...nevermind01:14
mbreitwhere are the xprint devel files?01:14
\shapt-file is not installable...right now01:15
mbreitlooks like there is no xprint-dev package...01:15
chmjbmonty: ping01:15
ograwow it actually stopped generating .cpp and .moc files....01:19
ograhmm... and started to create .cc files01:20
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slomogood morning :)01:21
mbreithi slomo01:21
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tsengi01:22
tsenghi01:22
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mbreityay... gnomeradio and wifi-radar has been accepted01:45
mbreit(and my adress is still not whitelisted...)01:45
tsengslomo: cowbell ACCEPTED01:48
tsengrock on01:48
slomotseng: yeah i saw it :) today or tomorrow will come a new version... brad has almost finished 0.2.201:49
tsengi saw in svn01:49
tsengalot of fixes01:49
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slomotseng: and you already uploaded it to ubuntu :) thanks01:53
bmontychmj: whats up?02:07
chmjhey ben02:08
chmjcharles here02:08
bmontyyou wondering about the email for bluez-utils?02:08
chmjyes02:09
bmontyI was playing around trying to get that to compile, and it seems that the D-Bus API it is using is obsolete.02:10
bmontysome folks in here suggested I email you02:10
chmjok02:11
bmontyI wrote a patch for part of the problem, but I didn't have time to figure out the code for building a D-Bus message02:12
bmontythe code with the problem is specifically with hcid and the ability to request a PIN with a D-Bus message (which can be disabled)02:13
chmjthat works with the dbus in breezy, iirc02:13
bmontythe source package I had FTBFS with undefined references to D-Bus functions that no longer exist (I'm not a D-Bus expert, so I can only go from what is on their website now)02:14
slomobmonty: which dbus functions did it use which no longer exist?02:15
chmjbmonty: what version of dbus ware you building against ?02:16
bmontyI think they were dbus_message_iter_get_reply, dbus_message_init_iter, dbus_message_iter_append_boolean02:16
bmontychmj: the version from breezy02:16
bmontynot exactly sure on the function names02:17
slomodbus_message_iter_append_boolean was replaced by dbus_message_iter_append_base or something similar... converting from the old to the new function is simple IMHO... but don't know about the other 2 but shouldn't be that hard too02:18
bmontyslomo: the other ones where easy, to build the D-Bus message I would have to figure out the typing stuff that D-Bus uses, and I haven't had time to do that02:19
chmjbmonty: what version of bluez-utils ware you building?02:20
chmjbmonty: 2.18(latest release) accommodate for the function changes02:21
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bmontyafaik it was the latest source package02:21
chmjbmonty: check the version please02:22
bmontylooks like 2.1002:22
bmontywonder how that happened :(02:23
chmjbmonty: thats an old version02:23
chmjbmonty: the one in breezy is 2.18, its has better dbus support02:23
bmontyok, I'll make sure I have the new version and see if I can get it off the unmet deps list02:24
chmjbmonty: the shouldn't be any unmet deps, otherwise I would have known about it :)02:25
bmontychmj: its on the unmet deps list02:25
bmontyhopefully it only needs a rebuild02:26
bmontyI gotta go...time to leave for work, cya02:26
chmjerm02:32
chmjbluez-utils is in main02:32
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\shwho is approved motu now and doesn't have upload rights until now?03:06
mbreit\sh: slomo is, but i think he is afk atm03:07
wickedpuppyhi anyone knows where is .emacs ?03:13
hubin ~03:16
wickedpuppyi can't only see .emacs.d03:16
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Mez\sh: why03:16
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janimocrimsun, hi03:25
crimsunjanimo: hi03:26
janimoI jus got your mail03:26
janimohave 5 minutes?03:27
janimoI send you mail otherwise03:27
crimsunsure, got time now.03:27
janimook I agree with keeping the 4.3 desktop03:28
janimojust talked to elmo in devel and looks like xffm4 has an epoch that's why we cannot sync03:28
janimoI am subscibing to xfce-debian right now to talk to them03:29
janimoabout this03:29
janimoalso xfce4-terminal seems to have built but not made it to the archives, need to talk to lamont03:29
janimowhat do you think?03:29
crimsunhmm, haven't looked at xfce4-terminal yet, looking now.03:30
janimoand what do you mean with pushing xubuntu-desktop to elmo, it's gonna be a new universe package03:30
crimsunhmm, xfce4-terminal seems to have built03:31
crimsunat least according to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/x/xfce4-terminal/ it's present.03:31
crimsun(0.2.4-3ubuntu1)03:31
janimoyep, built but still Lists says it's uncomplied03:32
janimoand it did not go to the archives03:32
crimsunI'm not sure what you mean by "did not go to the archives"03:34
crimsunI see the debs for 3 arches in pool, and all arches save hppa list it as installed03:36
janimohmm?it's in the pool, I wonder why apt-cache does not show it?Maybe it did not build fo i486?03:42
janimoI'll take a look03:42
janimoI updated 4 hours ago, I'll do it again03:44
janimocrimsun, yep it arrived in the past 4 hours :)03:46
crimsunok :)03:47
janimonow it conflicts with xterminal but I'll fix it tonight03:48
janimoI justsent a mail to xfce-debain and cc:-d you03:48
crimsungreat, thanks.03:50
crimsunoh, sorry, forgot to address your other question.03:50
crimsunI just meant we should ask elmo about xubuntu-desktop after we finalize its dependencies03:51
crimsun(out of NEW, etc.)03:51
janimoI thought that if it's a new packge in uni elmo has nothing to do with it or does he?I mean if it's not from sid03:52
tsengthere is an xubuntu-desktop?03:52
janimotseng, not-yet ;)03:52
janimobut I want one03:52
tsengheh rock on03:52
Mezjanimo: r u making it ?03:52
crimsunjanimo: oh, that's right. I think mdz/kamion take care of it03:52
janimoMez, I'll try03:52
Mezjanimo :D go for it03:53
janimoMez, thanks :)03:53
janimobut please anybody can beat me to it ;)03:53
crimsunweekdays are bad for me due to presentations at work, but I'll steal nights as I've been doing to work on it03:54
janimoin about 2-3 weeks I'll be hopefully full time on this stuff :)03:55
janimountil then nights too03:55
janimos/too/only/03:56
crimsunsounds great. I tried 4.2.2 last night, and there are a few graphical glitches, but I think they're related to the new GTK03:56
crimsunjanimo: going offline (->work) for a bit, if you see anything else, please e-mail me. Thanks!03:58
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janimoby crimsun04:02
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bddebianHowdy04:54
mbreithey bddebian04:54
bddebianHeya mbreit04:54
slomohi bddebian :)04:54
bddebianHi slomo04:54
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zygahello05:00
pkernHm. I seems that the recent binutils security update broke binutils-multiarch's dependency. Who should I bother to fix this?05:00
zygaI was wondering why pylint depends on python2.3-lint instead of python2.4-lint05:00
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bddebianchillywilly: Ahh, I thought I scared you away.. :-)05:01
bddebianHeya zyga05:02
bddebianzyga: It probably needs an update :-)05:02
mbreitbtw: could someone please verify that gtkmm is still broken (dependencies in the -dev package)?05:02
zygabddebian: well there is python2.4-lint05:02
zygabddebian: I guess depends are broken05:02
chillywillybddebian: just messing with my irssi config05:02
bddebianzyga: Aye, that's what I mean :-)05:03
zygabddebian: ah :)05:03
chillywillybddebian: set it up to auto-join here05:03
pkernHm that's weird. binutils-multiarch is in Packages as 2.15-5ubuntu2 but listed on packages.ubuntu.com as ubuntu2.2 (the right one)05:04
chillywillybrb, gotta test something05:04
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bddebianzyga: Does pylint fail on depends?05:08
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katzorhi, on ruvu, a reviewer told me to use dpatch for my patches, however 'dpatch-edit-patch 01mx-support' gives me make: *** no ruleto create unpatch! What am i doing wrong? did i miss anything05:26
katzor*revu05:26
mbreitkatzor: perhaps you are missing the "unpatch" dependency of the clean target in debian/rules05:27
mbreitkatzor: forget it ;) you perhaps forgot to include dpatch makefile in debian/rules05:27
katzorany rtfm on that?05:28
mbreityes05:28
mbreithttp://tseng.ath.cx/log/?p=705:28
katzorthanks :-)05:28
mbreitnp05:29
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janimohey MOTUs :)05:53
bddebianHello janimo (even though I'm not MOTU :-) )05:53
janimobddebian, you wil be :)05:53
janimoassimilated05:53
janimo;)05:53
bddebianHeh, don't bet on it :-)05:54
Mezbddebian, you seme to have a cheerleading crowd05:56
Mezare you a member yet bddebian ?05:56
bddebianMez: An Ubuntu member?05:57
Mezyes05:57
bddebianAye05:57
Mezthats goiod :)05:57
bddebianI have a cheerleading crowd?  Who is that? :-)05:57
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Mez*shrugs*05:57
Mezwhoever was cheerleading for you in the emails05:57
bddebianIn what e-mails?05:58
Mezbddebian, on -devel05:58
Mezand your cheerleader would be dholbach05:58
bddebianOh.. I really need to join some MLs :-)05:58
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Mezlol05:59
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mbreitokay, could someone please fix gtkmm? there are a lot of unmetdeps-package that depend on gtkmm and can't be compiled....06:03
mbreitor can even someone help me to fix it ;)06:03
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slomombreit: what's the problem?06:05
mbreitslomo: try to apt-get install libgtkmm-dev06:05
slomohmm06:06
slomothat's just unmet build-deps, right?06:06
slomoi.e. renamed libsigc++06:06
mbreitshouldn't be to hard to fix06:06
mbreitslomo: i think it has already been rebuild..06:06
slomoshould be boring ;)06:06
mbreitbut the -dev package has the old dependency06:06
slomohmm06:06
mbreitokay, now i know what to fix ;))06:06
slomolet me guess: just the control file? ;)06:07
mbreityea06:07
slomook, so it is boring :) the hardest part will probably be to find someone who uploads it for you ;)06:08
dokombreit, slomo: the names of the -dev packages didn't change06:08
mbreitdoko: i know06:08
dokook06:08
slomodoko: sure, but they have hardcoded dependencies on the binary packages which got renamed06:08
mbreitbut i thought it was that it depends on the old libgtkmm06:08
mbreitbut that is right... but libgtkmm1.2-0c2 is broken, too06:09
dokoslomo: in the debian/control file? strange ...06:09
mbreitokay, so gtkmm needs to be recompiled with libsigc++0c206:09
mbreiti need the binary needs a new name then...06:10
mbreiti think the... ;)06:10
slomombreit: probably not... gtkmm was already renamed for cxxtransition so i think you should keep the name as is06:11
mbreitslomo: it has been recompiled against libsigc++006:11
mbreitoh, that was \sh..06:12
mbreitbut he's not around atm :(06:12
slomombreit: but what do you want to call it now? it's already c2... but for such things better ask someone else... imho a plain rebuild of gtkmm should solve this06:13
mbreitslomo: that's why i do not want to take the job atm....06:14
mbreitbut i will fix some other packages when that's done...06:14
mbreitoh, and libgnomecanvasmm2.0-1 needs some love, too ;)06:18
mbreitthat's pretending me from fixing passepartout (well, i fixed it already... but can't compile it)06:18
slomopreventing? btw, is all the MoM stuff already merged?06:19
dokoslomo, mbreit: the packages are not yet rebuilt. please check the build logs06:19
mbreitdoko: someone uploaded it already?06:20
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mbreitdoko: oh, i just saw that you have uploaded it last tuesday06:20
mbreitdoko: but that is the version that is already in breezy... and is broken06:21
dokowhich package?06:22
mbreitgnomecanvasmm06:22
dokombreit: do you mean libgnomecanvasmm2.0 ?06:24
mbreitexactly06:24
dokonot yet built06:24
mbreithuh? oh, okay, i see i have got those version numbers wrong..06:25
mbreit2.0-1 is the one i need, not the one i have ;))06:25
mbreitso you are right.. sorry06:25
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eruinis the blam maintainer here?06:26
mbreitokay, i really need to get a shower now...06:27
slomombreit: have fun ;)06:27
mbreitthanks ;)06:28
eruinwhere should I submit bug reports for blam?06:29
eruinit's a universe package but I cant find it on malone06:29
slomoeruin: what version and what are the problems you have with it? ;)06:33
eruinbreezy version, small cosmetic bug; the planet ubuntu url is wrong06:34
eruinit is .org , while it should be .com ;)06:34
slomook, fixed... someone wants to upload it for me? tseng?06:37
eruin:)06:41
bddebianslomo: You still don't have upload rights?06:42
slomobddebian: nope... nobody approved at that meeting has ;) and \sh is missing main upload rights too06:43
bddebianslomo: Well \sh is a little dangerous so that is understandable.. ;-P06:44
bddebianWhat would be the harm in re-submitting all of the UnmetDep packages back to the buildds, just the overload on the buildd?06:48
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slomobddebian: the version numbers wouldn't be raised06:50
bddebianslomo: Well obviously I mean with a small/quick changelog change06:55
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mbreitbddebian: besides the load on the buildd it will cost some traffic, because everyone will update to the new version ;)06:57
bddebianmbreit: Well they should anyway since the current version had broken dependencies :-)06:57
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mbreitbddebian: then there has to be a new revision anyway06:57
bddebianUhm....06:58
mbreitbddebian: or i understood you wrong06:58
mbreitbut i have no time now, i have to get to the local lug meeting ;)06:59
bddebianI'm just saying an motu grabs the package, update changelog to build1 and re-submit :-)06:59
bddebianOh, have fun :-)06:59
mbreitthanks!06:59
slomombreit: can you notice me when you leave your house ;)06:59
mbreitslomo: well, i will dry my hair then i will go07:00
slomook fine... i'll get ready in a few seconds07:02
bddebianYou two are going together? :)07:02
mbreitbddebian: yes ;)07:02
bddebianNice07:02
mbreitsee you all later07:02
bddebianLater mbreit07:03
slomosomeone wants to upload this small change? http://yggdrasil.sytes.net/files/debdiff/blam_1.8.2-2ubuntu2.debdiff07:03
slomook... see you all later :)07:05
bddebianLater slomo, enjoy07:05
slomothanks bddebian :)07:05
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janimoanyone knows what was decided re config.{sub,guess} in the debdiffs?07:10
janimoshould I just remove them from the source?07:10
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bddebianWhere the hell is everyone today?08:18
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infinitoanyone knows who's in charge for MOTUToSync ?09:26
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tsenghi09:49
Burgundaviasalut tseng09:49
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bddebianHeya tseng09:51
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chris^Bin Pennen Jungs - bis morgen ;)10:12
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tsengwhere's mez =/11:37
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slomotseng?12:05
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