[12:03] <mbreit> okay, done
[12:03] <dholbach> super!
[12:03] <dholbach> rejoice!
[12:03] <mbreit> should i even join the member group on launchpad now?
[12:03] <dholbach> if you're a member, you'll soon get an @ubuntu.com mail adress - that's worth it :-p
[12:03] <tseng> no, you need to be added
[12:03] <tseng> dholbach: will he?
[12:03] <tseng> where's mine
[12:04] <mbreit> "To apply for membership in Ubuntu, please follow this link, log in (or create a Launchpad /Ubuntu web site account if you don't yet have one, it's the same account you use for wiki and web site editing and everything else in ubuntu) and then join the "ubuntumembers" team."
[12:04] <mbreit> i mean the last few words... should i do that now?
[12:04] <Mez> dholbach, yeah right - we've been waiting for @ubuntu.com emails for ages
[12:05] <dholbach> Mez: how long are you a member now?
[12:05] <tseng> mbreit: hm oh
[12:05] <Mez> dholbach, I'm about 5'11"
[12:05] <dholbach> ...
[12:06] <crimsun> Mez: not height dude, duration.
[12:06] <Mez> crimsun, I know, was a joke
[12:06] <dholbach> which period of time did we have the pleasure to have you among the motu members?
[12:06] <Mez>   	2005-06-21 was the date I was approved
[12:06] <tseng> i thought it was a good one
[12:06] <crimsun> Mez: I know ;)
[12:06] <Mez> and I've been a MOTU for 12 days
[12:07] <dholbach> i see
[12:08] <mbreit> should i join the member group or not??
[12:08] <tseng> if the wiki says so, I guess
[12:08] <dholbach> mbreit: do it, you'll have to be approved
[12:08] <tseng> ive never heard of that
[12:09] <mbreit> okay, done
[12:09] <Mez> tseng: it's a new thing
[12:09] <dholbach> mbreit: uploaded
[12:09] <mbreit> cool
[12:10] <mbreit> now the next question: why does my xorg on my laptop (just upgraded to breezy) not start :(((
[12:10] <tseng> hm where is google news rss feed
[12:11] <dholbach> mbreit: there was a mail from daniels on that topic
[12:11] <dholbach> mbreit: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-August/009421.html
[12:11] <mbreit> dholbach: according to his mail it should work
[12:11] <tseng> he might still have bad font paths
[12:12] <mbreit> yeah... that's my problem
[12:12] <tseng> in xorg.conf
[12:12] <tseng> make your paths like this
[12:12] <tseng>          FontPath        "/usr/share/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
[12:13] <mbreit> ouh? i let dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg create a new config... and that says /usr/share/X11/fonts/...
[12:13] <mbreit> oh, well, it's the same ;)
[12:13] <tseng> huh
[12:13] <tseng> and you have mkfontdir?
[12:13] <Mez> mbreit, my dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg breaks my xorg.conf
[12:13] <Mez> I had to make my own
[12:14] <mbreit> tseng: yes, i have it
[12:14] <mbreit> but still "could not open default font "fixed""
[12:14] <mbreit> it's xorg -44
[12:16] <Mez> has 44 gone through now
[12:16] <mbreit> Mez: since friday...
[12:16] <mbreit> but not for amd64, and that sucks..
[12:17] <dholbach> xkbutils installed?
[12:17] <dholbach> xkeyboard-config?
[12:17] <dholbach> oh sorry ... different problem
[12:17] <mbreit> dholbach: yes... its not the xkb problem..
[12:17] <dholbach> xfonts-100dpi-transcoded?
[12:17] <mbreit> yes
[12:25] <dholbach> good night everybody
[12:25] <dholbach> i'm off to bed
[12:30] <mbreit> loooool... i have solved my x problem...
[12:31] <mbreit> aber studying every line in the log i saw that it used ~/xorg.conf as config file... no idea where that file came from ;)
[12:34] <ajmitch> morning all
[12:34] <mbreit> hi ajmitch
[02:44] <crimsun> I should look at Thunar packages.
[02:47] <Amaranth> ick
[02:47] <Amaranth> we don't need thunar, we have the new kickass nautilus :)
[02:48] <Amaranth> which happens to look a lot like thunar...
[02:48] <tseng> Amaranth++
[02:48] <tseng> but anything to get rid of xffm is cool with me
[02:48] <tseng> that thing is even worse than konq
[02:49] <whiprush> word
[02:49] <tseng> whiprush: to your mother.
[02:49] <Amaranth> how can it be worse than konq?
[02:49] <tseng> dude, have you seen it?
[02:49] <Amaranth> does it just not do _anything_?
[02:49] <crimsun> thunar is in massive churn
[02:49] <whiprush> correct
[02:49] <Amaranth> because, i mean, konq is pretty bad
[02:49] <tseng> not only does it not do anything
[02:49] <Amaranth> it looks ugly doing it?
[02:49] <crimsun> a default perspective hasn't even been set
[02:50] <tseng> ill screenshot for you
[02:50] <crimsun> and god, those march '05 mockups are so ugly
[02:51] <tseng> tseng.ath.cx/images/xffm.png
[02:51] <tseng> this is the most crackful application of all time
[02:51] <whiprush> heh
[02:51] <whiprush> that's awesome.
[02:51] <tseng> can you guess what a pause button in a file manager does?
[02:51] <tseng> I cant.
[02:52] <whiprush> nor me
[02:52] <tseng> the red and blue
[02:52] <tseng> "scramble"
[02:52] <tseng> "unscramble"
[02:52] <crimsun> dude, xffm is nasty. I'm almost happy xffm4 doesn't build.
[02:52] <whiprush> I like the red and green circles on the left
[02:52] <tseng> there is a button for Touch
[02:52] <whiprush> no idea what they could possibly mean
[02:52] <tseng> whiprush: it seems to encrypt them with some obscure thing
[02:52] <crimsun> Maybe we'll just jack it and make it a metapackage that depends on nautilus. =)
[02:52] <whiprush> rol
[02:53] <tseng> dude ship thunar with xfce-meta
[02:53] <tseng> throw this pos out
[02:53] <whiprush> only thing neo-nautilus is missing is drag and drop onto the sidebar items
[02:54] <crimsun> I'm definitely considering making thunar preferred over xffm4 - if the latter will ever build
[02:54] <tseng> please.
[02:58] <tseng> another complaint, why doesnt xfce use the apps pixmap when i add a launcher
[02:58] <tseng> it still wants to use these like half dozen stock ones
[02:58] <tseng> or make me navigate to the real one
[03:16] <crimsun> it's less than intelligent
[03:19] <tseng> man
[03:19] <tseng> i cant figure out how to properly add lil star to the session either
[03:19] <tseng> or totally remove the taskbar
[03:20] <tseng> i seem to remember this being *more* usable
[03:20] <ajmitch> tseng: they probably saw KDE & thought 'we need this!'
[03:21] <tseng> meh
[03:21] <ajmitch> playing catchup with number of icons & buttons they can cram onto a screen
[03:21] <tseng> oh, xffm :P
[03:21] <tseng> yep
[03:29] <crimsun> oh man, I'm a moron. That epoch is probably why the new xffm4 hasn't built.
[03:30] <ajmitch> who put an epoch on it?
[03:31] <crimsun> Benny (os-works) did
[03:32] <ajmitch> how evil
[03:32] <ajmitch> why would he do such a thing?
[03:33] <crimsun> "* Raise version to keep APT happy."  -- Benedikt Meurer <bm@os-cillation.de>  Wed, 05 Jan 2005 01:11:29 +0100
[03:33] <crimsun> Benny's a great guy, but that just makes syncing with Debian a nightmare
[03:34] <ajmitch> not just a nightmare, but basically impossible
[03:34] <ajmitch> since your version will always be higher unless debian takes on the epoch as well
[03:41] <crimsun> tseng: the "best" you can do is to enable auto-hide for the taskbar (if I understand what you're talking about)
[03:42] <tseng> crimsun: yeah figured
[03:42] <tseng> i was sure i removed it totally in 4.0
[03:43] <tseng> xfce is cute, but i dont think its for me :)
[03:49] <tseng> oh man
[03:49] <tseng> xclip installs in /usr/X11R6/bin
[03:49] <tseng> thats pretty bong
[03:50] <bddebian> bong? Heh
[03:53] <tseng> yes.
[03:56] <bddebian> Damn UniverseUnmetDeps just seems like it isn't getting any smaller :-(
[03:56] <bmonty> i'm trying :)
[03:57] <bmonty> there are a lot less a's and b's
[03:57] <ajmitch> hello bddebian
[03:58] <bddebian> bmonty: Me too but sheesh.. :-)
[03:59] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[03:59] <bmonty> there are a lot of packages there
[03:59] <bmonty> tseng: did you ever have any luck with that script you were working on?
[03:59] <tseng> no
[03:59] <bddebian> ajmitch: Boxed up the laptop today, plus mouse, wireless card, keyboard, and extra AC adapter.  I just wanna grab an extra battery tomorrow and I hope to ship it out.
[03:59] <tseng> piuparts wasnt as helpful as i hoped
[03:59] <ajmitch> bddebian: great
[03:59] <bmonty> tseng: why not?
[04:00] <tseng> ^
[04:00] <ajmitch> what script was this, tseng ?
[04:00] <tseng> ajmitch: build list of unmetdeps, apt-get source each one
[04:00] <tseng> pbuild, install in piuparts
[04:00] <tseng> do you want it
[04:00] <ajmitch> ah
[04:01] <bmonty> yeah
[04:01] <ajmitch> sure
[04:01] <bmonty> please email it bmontgom@montynet.org
[04:01] <ajmitch> I'll see what I can do to make it play with any scripts I have
[04:01] <tseng> its nothing special at all
[04:01] <tseng> but i guess its a start in the right direction
[04:01] <ajmitch> easier than me writing my own 10-liner
[04:02] <bmonty> i'm wondering if my efforts would be better spent to make a script to figure out which packages only need a rebuild
[04:02] <bmonty> and which have other issues
[04:02] <tseng> thats what we are talking about
[04:03] <bmonty> I keep thinking that having a uml image of a breezy install would help
[04:03] <tseng> sent
[04:03] <ajmitch> bmonty: it could be, but I just have a chroot or 3
[04:03] <bddebian> Just throw them all to a buildd :-)
[04:03] <tseng> ajmitch: it needs a way to verify the install in piuparts and list it to a file or so
[04:03] <bmonty> thanks tseng
[04:03] <ajmitch> bddebian: we'll probably get that later in the cycle
[04:03] <bddebian> ajmitch: ?
[04:04] <ajmitch> bddebian: lamont or infinity will do a test rebuild of the whole archive
[04:04] <bddebian> Ahh, then we can stop? ;-)
[04:04] <ajmitch> so we get build logs for packages that now FTBFS, but built fine earlier
[04:04] <bddebian> bmonty: How are you checking your installs after your rebuild?
[04:04] <ajmitch> don't be stupid, that gives us 10x more work to do :)
[04:05] <bmonty> bddebian: I login to the pbuilder chroot and install them
[04:05] <bddebian> bmonty: From where?  Are you using a local apt repo?
[04:05] <ajmitch> local apt repositories are dead simple to setup, use mini-dinstall for simplicity
[04:06] <tseng> i thought about that too
[04:06] <bddebian> ajmitch: I have one but it's a PITA to upload and synch for every package :-(
[04:06] <tseng> i didnt look too hard at what piuparts is doing
[04:06] <bmonty> bddebian: I don't have a local repo (though I probably should)
[04:06] <tseng> but it seems to be able to resolve depends given a dpkg
[04:06] <ajmitch> bddebian: automate it
[04:06] <bddebian> ajmitch: I'm too st00pid as you just pointed out :-)
[04:06] <tseng> also, this script would have to run on a system with some serious horsepower
[04:06] <tseng> or nothing better to do
[04:06] <tseng> its not really game for my laptop
[04:07] <bmonty> I use the build-dep to get most of the packages and then do everything else by hand
[04:07] <ajmitch> tseng: there re a number of useful tools like dpkg-depcheck, dpkg-checkbuilddeps
[04:08] <ajmitch> tseng: I don't have horsepower, just patience
[04:08] <bddebian> Hmm, maybe I should break out the old Dual PII 450 Proliant :-)
[04:08] <Lathiat> heh
[04:08] <Lathiat> whats this for, rebuilding everything?
[04:09] <tseng> unmetdeps
[04:09] <tseng> figure out what needs a simple rebuild
[04:09] <tseng> and what needs fixed build-deps or something else
[04:09] <Lathiat> ah
[04:09] <Lathiat> how would you do that?
[04:09] <tseng>      apt-get source $package
[04:09] <tseng>      sudo pbuilder build $package*.dsc
[04:09] <tseng>      sudo piuparts -p ${RESULT_DIR}/$package*_i386.deb
[04:09] <tseng> something like this.
[04:10] <tseng> but what do I know
[04:10] <Amaranth> only one thing left on my system is using libexif10 :/
[04:10] <Amaranth> beagle
[04:10] <tseng> beagle is infallible
[04:10] <tseng> you see nothing.
[04:10] <Amaranth> i don't even have it running
[04:10] <Amaranth> i don't know why i keep it installed
[04:11] <tseng> should I rebuild it, I guess
[04:11] <ajmitch> ok, infinity says that auto-rebuilds are ongoing, so we can probably get logs of that sometime & throw together some more work for bddebian
[04:11] <Lathiat> tseng: hrm, if you set beagle to start on start in the preferences thing, it doesnt
[04:11] <tseng> Lathiat: thats in cvs
[04:11] <Lathiat> tseng: ah ok
[04:11] <Lathiat> ahh i love uni wireless
[04:12] <Lathiat> syncing up a breezy mirror at 1.6M/s
[04:12] <ajmitch> Lathiat: I really hope they get wireless access turned on before LCA here :)
[04:12] <Lathiat> ajmitch: :)
[04:13] <bddebian> ajmitch: More work for me? :-)
[04:13] <ajmitch> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/byDate <-- looks like the rebuilds that we may want
[04:13] <ajmitch> bddebian: sure, you seem to have too much free time
[04:13] <bddebian> Oh yeah
[04:14] <bddebian> This freakin sucks
[04:14] <ajmitch> what does?
[04:14] <bddebian> If you don't make a changelog entry and rebuild half of them puke dputing to a local repo because of "unstable"
[04:15] <bddebian> Heya crimsun
[04:15] <crimsun> hi bddebian
[04:15] <tseng> ajmitch: any ideas for the script?
[04:16] <tseng> im not sure piuparts is really suited for this
[04:16] <Lathiat> wtf
[04:16] <tseng> dude me too
[04:16] <Lathiat> how can they possibly have this as some kind of commercial product
[04:16] <tseng> just crashed for the 30th time today
[04:17] <Lathiat> i click "Automatically synchronize remote mail locally", and it disables the OK button in the preferences dialog
[04:17] <Lathiat> tseng: that might be a libsoup thing?
[04:17] <tseng> meh
[04:17] <tseng> whats wrong with libsoup?
[04:17] <bmonty> i think the only way they make any money is selling the exchange connector
[04:17] <Lathiat> tseng: it had a soname change, and evo hasnt been rebuilt to suit
[04:17] <tseng> its been crashing for awhile
[04:17] <Lathiat> thats why the calendar doesnt load among other things
[04:17] <tseng> oh, it hasnt?
[04:18] <tseng> I see
[04:18] <Lathiat> i only want to use it so beagle will index my mail
[04:18] <ajmitch> tseng: you shouldn't need to even use piuparts
[04:18] <Lathiat> i need to write a thunderbird plugin for it
[04:18] <ajmitch> if you're only checking for dependencies
[04:18] <tseng> ajmitch: yeah im sure there is something more clever to check installability
[04:19] <tseng> ill leave that to you, i did at least 2/3rd of it
[04:19] <bddebian> a "pbuilder install" using something like apt or dpkg-checkdep would be nice :-)
[04:19] <bddebian> err depcheck
[04:19] <ajmitch> alright, email the script you have to me
[04:19] <tseng> i did
[04:19] <ajmitch> ok, might take awhile to show up then
[04:20] <Lathiat> then we can split up the package list and do some kind of distributed building of packages by various MOTUs? :)
[04:20] <tseng> hah
[04:20] <tseng> ill head 50, youll tail 50
[04:20] <tseng> and then we'll regroup in the middle
[04:20] <Lathiat> :)
[04:20] <tseng> haha
[04:21] <ajmitch> and then we can start on the next big group of packages to fix
[04:21] <tseng> incoming is back to accepting superfulous .orig.tar.gz
[04:21] <ajmitch> whatever they may be
[04:21] <tseng> i was sure it would reject this
[04:21] <Lathiat> i think all the glu stuff needs changing again
[04:21] <Lathiat> to libglu1-mesa
[04:21] <Lathiat> not sure what libgl is supposed to be tho
[04:21] <Lathiat> anyone know? or should i harass daniel
[04:22] <tseng> i dont know anything.
[04:22] <bddebian> heh
[04:22] <Lathiat> tseng: heh who told you that? :)
[04:23] <ajmitch> Lathiat: yeah, not sure what's happening this week with X & mesa
[04:23] <Lathiat> man this LT chair im sitting on feels like it wants to snap off
[04:23] <Lathiat> ajmitch: i figure its libglu1-mesa-dev, but im not sure what we want for libgl1 dev
[04:23] <tseng> the only thing i know about GL is
[04:23] <tseng> enemy territory started last week
[04:23] <tseng> this week it insists i dont have DRI
[04:23] <tseng> and dies
[04:24] <Lathiat> heh
[04:24] <ajmitch> yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if my nvidia drivers were broken at the moment
[04:24] <tseng> its radeon
[04:24] <Lathiat> im using the new sexy l-r-m
[04:24] <Lathiat> manually installing the drivers was getting tiresome
[04:24] <Lathiat> due to having to reinstall them on every X or kernel upgrade
[04:24] <bur[n] er> has anyone used Parano?  or another sfv file checker for gnome?
[04:25] <hub> and people say that I'm wrong when I say that proprietary drivers are bad
[04:26] <ajmitch> bur[n] er: can't say I've heard of it
[04:26] <bur[n] er> http://parano.berlios.de/
[04:26] <ajmitch> it might be possible to slip into breezy
[04:26] <ajmitch> I think mdz might be calling for a freeze on new packages soon
[04:26] <bur[n] er> i just don't think there are any sfv file checkers in ubuntu right now
[04:27] <ajmitch> (for universe)
[04:27] <tseng> buh
[04:27] <bur[n] er> it's just a .py and a .glade file
[04:27] <Lathiat> bur[n] er: cksfv
[04:27] <bur[n] er> well.. no gtk/gnome sfv checker
[04:27] <tseng> why in the world would this need so much gui
[04:27] <Lathiat> tseng: people leeching w4r3z off ftp sites
[04:27] <tseng> Lathiat: oh.
[04:27] <bur[n] er> because i want to double click a .sfv file
[04:27] <whiprush> juarez
[04:27] <Lathiat> which come with SFV files to check its complete
[04:28] <bur[n] er> if an xterm came up when double clicking .sfv, i'd be all forit
[04:28] <tseng> whiprush: classic
[04:28] <Lathiat> whiprush: heh
[04:28] <Lathiat> hrm i wish my battery lasted longer with the brightness up
[04:28] <bur[n] er> not necessarily warez
[04:28] <crimsun> must be emo juarez
[04:28] <bur[n] er> linux isos, big packages, etc
[04:28] <whiprush> tseng is sandbagging. His old gentoo side knows exactly what this is for. :p
[04:28] <bur[n] er> it also does md5
[04:28] <Lathiat> that tool does md5 too so i guess its kinda valid. :)
[04:29] <crimsun> those are usually md5summed or sha1summed
[04:29] <tseng> whiprush: dude dont stereotype me
[04:29] <whiprush> heh
[04:29] <ajmitch> whiprush: you wouldn't be one to mock gentoo users, would you? ;)
[04:29] <bddebian> Bah, this blows, I think I'll just go back to pr0n ..
[04:29] <bur[n] er> in any event, it'd make a nice .md5 checker as well
[04:29] <whiprush> Not me. :p
[04:29] <bur[n] er> what do I gotta do to get this in universe?
[04:31] <ajmitch> wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates
[04:31] <ajmitch> or you can package it & we'd take a look at it
[04:31] <bur[n] er> don't suppose you like checkinstall .debs? ;)
[04:31] <crimsun> that's a no.
[04:32] <crimsun> we don't upload binaries, we upload source + diffs
[04:33] <bur[n] er> oh... well source is easy enough to come by :)
[04:33] <ajmitch> a source package, not just a source tarball :)
[04:34] <ajmitch> as you can see, there's a small backlog of requested packages from users
[04:35] <bur[n] er> i see :\
[04:35] <bur[n] er> heh
[04:35] <bur[n] er> sorry, wish I knew more
[04:36] <tseng> lighttpd would be good
[04:36] <tseng> but there were some concerns about upstream on the itp last i looked
[04:38] <whiprush> wifiradar could probably be removed from that list once networkmanager is fixed.
[04:39] <bmonty> is breezy still going to use gnome-system-tools for network config?
[04:40] <ajmitch> bmonty: network manager, afaik
[04:40] <tseng> good night
[04:40] <ajmitch> night tseng
[04:40] <whiprush> nite
[04:40] <bddebian> gnight tseng
[04:40] <bur[n] er> thanks for the help y'all
[04:44] <ajmitch> ah, first thing in tseng's script, it needs to do apt-get build-dep $unmet
[04:45] <chillywilly> boo
[04:46] <bddebian> chillywilly!!
[04:46] <bddebian> chillywilly: I'm handing over my UniverseUnmetDeps duties to you ;-P
[04:46] <chillywilly> uh, yea right
[04:47] <ajmitch> great, get to work, chillywilly  :)
[04:49] <chillywilly> no
[04:50] <chillywilly> I think bddebian needs more practice ;)
[04:50] <ajmitch> so do you
[04:51] <bddebian> heh
[04:58] <crimsun> don't worry, I'm chipping away at UniverseUnmetDeps, too.
[04:59] <crimsun> although I should budget my time tonight so I can get up early to prep for work tomorrow. :/
[04:59] <bddebian> Aye :-)
[04:59] <bddebian> crimsun: How do you test your packages after you build them?
[04:59] <bmonty> BTW, I'm working from the top of the list
[05:00] <bmonty> bddebian: you can test the install in the pbuilder chroot
[05:00] <crimsun> bddebian: install previous version, upgrade, execute, remove. Install new version, downgrade, execute, remove.
[05:01] <crimsun> sometimes the second one's hairy, but the first one's essential.
[05:01] <bddebian> Uhhh
[05:02] <crimsun> I have a breezy chroot and a breezy pbuilder
[05:03] <Lathiat> crimsun: shoudl you not also check an install without upgrade
[05:04] <hub> updated my 2 packages for REVU
[05:04] <crimsun> Lathiat: that's the second.
[05:04] <crimsun> "Install new version..."
[05:05] <crimsun> I suppose I could test for purge as well as remove
[05:05] <crimsun> shouldn't make any difference, though
[05:06] <Lathiat> well my point is
[05:06] <Lathiat> a fresh package
[05:06] <Lathiat> may be missing something in the previous version
[05:06] <Lathiat> so you really should purge
[05:06] <Lathiat> and i assume then theres an execute before the downgrade part
[05:07] <crimsun> err, I switched the order in the second part.
[05:07] <crimsun> yes, I do execute before downgrading.
[05:08] <Lathiat> ah right
[05:08] <Lathiat> makes sense now
[05:08] <Lathiat> :)
[05:09] <bmonty> crimsun: do you do your install tests in your chroot?
[05:09] <crimsun> bmonty: yeah.
[05:10] <bmonty> crimsun: do you know where I can find instructions on how to make my own chroot?
[05:10] <crimsun> bmonty: search the wiki for debootstrap, or look in the Debian Developers Guide for the chroot section by Colin Walters
[05:11] <bmonty> ok, thanks
[05:11] <crimsun> np
[05:15] <Lathiat> tseng: buh duh, tried blam recently? :)
[05:22] <bddebian> Bed time for me.  Gnight folks
[05:22] <bmonty> yeah, its about time for me also.....cya all later!
[05:23] <crimsun> night.
[09:20] <pete> morning all
[09:24] <highvoltage> morning pete
[12:15] <tseng> Lathiat: yes?
[12:19] <Firetech> How can you make a debian package that isn't architecture specific?
[12:19] <HostingGeek> easy
[12:19] <HostingGeek> source package
[12:20] <HostingGeek> or non-binary package
[12:20] <Firetech> well it's more of a script package
[12:21] <Firetech> Trying to package GNU Source Installer
[12:30] <siretart> Firetech: make it Architecture: All (instead of Any)
[12:32] <Firetech> dpkg-gencontrol: error: current build architecture i386 does not appear in package's list (All)
[12:32] <Firetech> hmm
[12:33] <Mithrandir> use all, not All
[12:34] <Firetech> now it worked.
[12:37] <Firetech> hmm, It's too late for new packages for breezy, right?
[12:49] <Lathiat> tseng: nhandled Exception: System.DllNotFoundException: libblam.so
[12:49] (tseng/#ubuntu-motu) Lathiat: um
[12:49] (tseng/#ubuntu-motu) how did you manage that
[12:49] (Lathiat/#ubuntu-motu) dunno
[12:49] (Lathiat/#ubuntu-motu) i jus tupgraded it
[12:49] (Lathiat/#ubuntu-motu) and it stopped workign
[12:49] (Lathiat/#ubuntu-motu) libblam.so is in /usr/lib/blam
[12:49] (Lathiat/#ubuntu-motu) and its a valid link
[12:49] (tseng/#ubuntu-motu) ldd it
[12:50] (Lathiat/#ubuntu-motu)     libgtkembedmoz.so => not found
[12:50] (Lathiat/#ubuntu-motu)         libxpcom.so => not found
[12:50] (tseng/#ubuntu-motu) there you go
[12:51] <tseng> mine is correct, wahts wrong with yours?
[12:51] <Lathiat> well libgtkembedmoz.so is in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox only
[12:51] <Lathiat> that be why it cant find it?
[12:52] <tseng> mine can find it
[12:53] <tseng> /usr/lib/mozilla/libgtkembedmoz.so
[12:53] <Lathiat> hrm
[12:53] <tseng> /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/libgtkembedmoz.so
[12:53] <tseng> hm
[12:53] <Lathiat> mm, i dont have the mozilla one
[12:53] <tseng> yeah
[12:54] <tseng> oh I know
[12:54] <tseng> i didnt fix the build dep i bet
[12:55] <Mez> siretart: ping
[12:56] <tseng> uploaded
[12:59] <Lathiat> thanks
[01:00] <mbreit> someone with amd64 here?
[01:01] <HostingGeek> mbreit: sf.net has....
[01:02] <mbreit> HostingGeek: ??
[01:02] <HostingGeek> wtf --- irc.freenode.net sets ban on %*!*HostingGe@*.exetel.com.a
[01:03] <HostingGeek> mbreit: sf.net have a compile FARM
[01:04] <mbreit> HostingGeek: i just need someone to verify that nvu segfaults on breezy/amd64 ;)
[01:05] <ogra> mbreit, the startscript vcalls a wrong binary somehow
[01:05] <mbreit> ogra: ah, okay... is someone working on that?
[01:05] <ogra> mbreit, i'd really appreciate if someone workd on nvu since i have to move it to main foe edubuntu but lacking time
[01:05] <ogra> for even
[01:06] <ogra> so grab it if you like ;)
[01:07] <mbreit> oh, i don't know if it is a good task for a newbie like me
[01:07] <ogra> its probably only hanging the call to the right binary in the startup script, i havent looked in detail yet
[01:07] <ogra> changing even
[01:08] <mbreit> but i get that error only on amd64? on x86 it runs just fine..
[01:08] <ogra> i havent tried on i386 as well yet... i'll do if i run my next ltsp test...
[01:10] <mbreit> oh, there was a build1 in the source archives... but compilation has failed on all archs
[01:10] <ogra> aha
[01:10] <ogra> !
[01:10] <\sh> what?
[01:10] <ogra> nvu
[01:10] <\sh> oergs
[01:10] <mbreit> error: X11/extensions/Print.h: No such file or directory
[01:10] <ogra> \sh, edubuntu ...
[01:11] <\sh> xprint-dev?
[01:11] <mbreit> looks like there are build deps missing...
[01:11] <ogra> *sighs deeply*
[01:11] <\sh> something like this
[01:11] <mbreit> i'll have a quick look at it... but i don't have that much time today...
[01:11] <\sh> Package: xprint
[01:11] <\sh> Binary: xprt-xprintorg, xprint-common, xprt, xprint
[01:12] <mbreit> oh, and there is the depricated xlibs-dev dependency
[01:12] <ogra> why the hell do KDE people tend to put everything in one HUGE source package... thats so silly
[01:12] <Lathiat> ogra: yeh i noticed like their multimedia stuff was like one big subset
[01:12] <ogra> recompiling kig here.... since 3h !!!
[01:12] <Lathiat> kig?
[01:12] <mbreit> kde interactive geometry
[01:13] <Nafallo> ogra: followed xorgs example? ;-)
[01:13] <ogra> its a very small and simple geometry tool
[01:13] <\sh> ogra: calm down...breath...calm down :) it's such a nice day :)
[01:13] <ogra> compiling it alone would work within 5min
[01:13] <ogra> \sh, i'm under total pressure
[01:13] <Nafallo> ogra: you should split kde for breezy+1 ;-)
[01:14] <\sh> ogra: we as well..until yesterday night
[01:14] <\sh> s/we/me/
[01:14] <ogra> Nafallo, ha ha ha
[01:14] <ogra> (note the tired tone in the ha)
[01:14] <\sh> or no...we is correct...nevermind
[01:14] <mbreit> where are the xprint devel files?
[01:15] <\sh> apt-file is not installable...right now
[01:15] <mbreit> looks like there is no xprint-dev package...
[01:15] <chmj> bmonty: ping
[01:19] <ogra> wow it actually stopped generating .cpp and .moc files....
[01:20] <ogra> hmm... and started to create .cc files
[01:21] <slomo> good morning :)
[01:21] <mbreit> hi slomo
[01:22] <tseng> i
[01:22] <tseng> hi
[01:45] <mbreit> yay... gnomeradio and wifi-radar has been accepted
[01:45] <mbreit> (and my adress is still not whitelisted...)
[01:48] <tseng> slomo: cowbell ACCEPTED
[01:48] <tseng> rock on
[01:49] <slomo> tseng: yeah i saw it :) today or tomorrow will come a new version... brad has almost finished 0.2.2
[01:49] <tseng> i saw in svn
[01:49] <tseng> alot of fixes
[01:53] <slomo> tseng: and you already uploaded it to ubuntu :) thanks
[02:07] <bmonty> chmj: whats up?
[02:08] <chmj> hey ben
[02:08] <chmj> charles here
[02:08] <bmonty> you wondering about the email for bluez-utils?
[02:09] <chmj> yes
[02:10] <bmonty> I was playing around trying to get that to compile, and it seems that the D-Bus API it is using is obsolete.
[02:10] <bmonty> some folks in here suggested I email you
[02:11] <chmj> ok
[02:12] <bmonty> I wrote a patch for part of the problem, but I didn't have time to figure out the code for building a D-Bus message
[02:13] <bmonty> the code with the problem is specifically with hcid and the ability to request a PIN with a D-Bus message (which can be disabled)
[02:13] <chmj> that works with the dbus in breezy, iirc
[02:14] <bmonty> the source package I had FTBFS with undefined references to D-Bus functions that no longer exist (I'm not a D-Bus expert, so I can only go from what is on their website now)
[02:15] <slomo> bmonty: which dbus functions did it use which no longer exist?
[02:16] <chmj> bmonty: what version of dbus ware you building against ?
[02:16] <bmonty> I think they were dbus_message_iter_get_reply, dbus_message_init_iter, dbus_message_iter_append_boolean
[02:16] <bmonty> chmj: the version from breezy
[02:17] <bmonty> not exactly sure on the function names
[02:18] <slomo> dbus_message_iter_append_boolean was replaced by dbus_message_iter_append_base or something similar... converting from the old to the new function is simple IMHO... but don't know about the other 2 but shouldn't be that hard too
[02:19] <bmonty> slomo: the other ones where easy, to build the D-Bus message I would have to figure out the typing stuff that D-Bus uses, and I haven't had time to do that
[02:20] <chmj> bmonty: what version of bluez-utils ware you building?
[02:21] <chmj> bmonty: 2.18(latest release) accommodate for the function changes
[02:21] <bmonty> afaik it was the latest source package
[02:22] <chmj> bmonty: check the version please
[02:22] <bmonty> looks like 2.10
[02:23] <bmonty> wonder how that happened :(
[02:23] <chmj> bmonty: thats an old version
[02:23] <chmj> bmonty: the one in breezy is 2.18, its has better dbus support
[02:24] <bmonty> ok, I'll make sure I have the new version and see if I can get it off the unmet deps list
[02:25] <chmj> bmonty: the shouldn't be any unmet deps, otherwise I would have known about it :)
[02:25] <bmonty> chmj: its on the unmet deps list
[02:26] <bmonty> hopefully it only needs a rebuild
[02:26] <bmonty> I gotta go...time to leave for work, cya
[02:32] <chmj> erm
[02:32] <chmj> bluez-utils is in main
[03:06] <\sh> who is approved motu now and doesn't have upload rights until now?
[03:07] <mbreit> \sh: slomo is, but i think he is afk atm
[03:13] <wickedpuppy> hi anyone knows where is .emacs ?
[03:16] <hub> in ~
[03:16] <wickedpuppy> i can't only see .emacs.d
[03:16] <Mez> \sh: why
[03:25] <janimo> crimsun, hi
[03:26] <crimsun> janimo: hi
[03:26] <janimo> I jus got your mail
[03:27] <janimo> have 5 minutes?
[03:27] <janimo> I send you mail otherwise
[03:27] <crimsun> sure, got time now.
[03:28] <janimo> ok I agree with keeping the 4.3 desktop
[03:28] <janimo> just talked to elmo in devel and looks like xffm4 has an epoch that's why we cannot sync
[03:29] <janimo> I am subscibing to xfce-debian right now to talk to them
[03:29] <janimo> about this
[03:29] <janimo> also xfce4-terminal seems to have built but not made it to the archives, need to talk to lamont
[03:29] <janimo> what do you think?
[03:30] <crimsun> hmm, haven't looked at xfce4-terminal yet, looking now.
[03:30] <janimo> and what do you mean with pushing xubuntu-desktop to elmo, it's gonna be a new universe package
[03:31] <crimsun> hmm, xfce4-terminal seems to have built
[03:31] <crimsun> at least according to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/x/xfce4-terminal/ it's present.
[03:31] <crimsun> (0.2.4-3ubuntu1)
[03:32] <janimo> yep, built but still Lists says it's uncomplied
[03:32] <janimo> and it did not go to the archives
[03:34] <crimsun> I'm not sure what you mean by "did not go to the archives"
[03:36] <crimsun> I see the debs for 3 arches in pool, and all arches save hppa list it as installed
[03:42] <janimo> hmm?it's in the pool, I wonder why apt-cache does not show it?Maybe it did not build fo i486?
[03:42] <janimo> I'll take a look
[03:44] <janimo> I updated 4 hours ago, I'll do it again
[03:46] <janimo> crimsun, yep it arrived in the past 4 hours :)
[03:47] <crimsun> ok :)
[03:48] <janimo> now it conflicts with xterminal but I'll fix it tonight
[03:48] <janimo> I justsent a mail to xfce-debain and cc:-d you
[03:50] <crimsun> great, thanks.
[03:50] <crimsun> oh, sorry, forgot to address your other question.
[03:51] <crimsun> I just meant we should ask elmo about xubuntu-desktop after we finalize its dependencies
[03:51] <crimsun> (out of NEW, etc.)
[03:52] <janimo> I thought that if it's a new packge in uni elmo has nothing to do with it or does he?I mean if it's not from sid
[03:52] <tseng> there is an xubuntu-desktop?
[03:52] <janimo> tseng, not-yet ;)
[03:52] <janimo> but I want one
[03:52] <tseng> heh rock on
[03:52] <Mez> janimo: r u making it ?
[03:52] <crimsun> janimo: oh, that's right. I think mdz/kamion take care of it
[03:52] <janimo> Mez, I'll try
[03:53] <Mez> janimo :D go for it
[03:53] <janimo> Mez, thanks :)
[03:53] <janimo> but please anybody can beat me to it ;)
[03:54] <crimsun> weekdays are bad for me due to presentations at work, but I'll steal nights as I've been doing to work on it
[03:55] <janimo> in about 2-3 weeks I'll be hopefully full time on this stuff :)
[03:55] <janimo> until then nights too
[03:56] <janimo> s/too/only/
[03:56] <crimsun> sounds great. I tried 4.2.2 last night, and there are a few graphical glitches, but I think they're related to the new GTK
[03:58] <crimsun> janimo: going offline (->work) for a bit, if you see anything else, please e-mail me. Thanks!
[04:02] <janimo> by crimsun
[04:54] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:54] <mbreit> hey bddebian
[04:54] <bddebian> Heya mbreit
[04:54] <slomo> hi bddebian :)
[04:54] <bddebian> Hi slomo
[05:00] <zyga> hello
[05:00] <pkern> Hm. I seems that the recent binutils security update broke binutils-multiarch's dependency. Who should I bother to fix this?
[05:00] <zyga> I was wondering why pylint depends on python2.3-lint instead of python2.4-lint
[05:01] <bddebian> chillywilly: Ahh, I thought I scared you away.. :-)
[05:02] <bddebian> Heya zyga
[05:02] <bddebian> zyga: It probably needs an update :-)
[05:02] <mbreit> btw: could someone please verify that gtkmm is still broken (dependencies in the -dev package)?
[05:02] <zyga> bddebian: well there is python2.4-lint
[05:02] <zyga> bddebian: I guess depends are broken
[05:02] <chillywilly> bddebian: just messing with my irssi config
[05:03] <bddebian> zyga: Aye, that's what I mean :-)
[05:03] <zyga> bddebian: ah :)
[05:03] <chillywilly> bddebian: set it up to auto-join here
[05:04] <pkern> Hm that's weird. binutils-multiarch is in Packages as 2.15-5ubuntu2 but listed on packages.ubuntu.com as ubuntu2.2 (the right one)
[05:04] <chillywilly> brb, gotta test something
[05:08] <bddebian> zyga: Does pylint fail on depends?
[05:26] <katzor> hi, on ruvu, a reviewer told me to use dpatch for my patches, however 'dpatch-edit-patch 01mx-support' gives me make: *** no ruleto create unpatch! What am i doing wrong? did i miss anything
[05:26] <katzor> *revu
[05:27] <mbreit> katzor: perhaps you are missing the "unpatch" dependency of the clean target in debian/rules
[05:27] <mbreit> katzor: forget it ;) you perhaps forgot to include dpatch makefile in debian/rules
[05:28] <katzor> any rtfm on that?
[05:28] <mbreit> yes
[05:28] <mbreit> http://tseng.ath.cx/log/?p=7
[05:28] <katzor> thanks :-)
[05:29] <mbreit> np
[05:53] <janimo> hey MOTUs :)
[05:53] <bddebian> Hello janimo (even though I'm not MOTU :-) )
[05:53] <janimo> bddebian, you wil be :)
[05:53] <janimo> assimilated
[05:53] <janimo> ;)
[05:54] <bddebian> Heh, don't bet on it :-)
[05:56] <Mez> bddebian, you seme to have a cheerleading crowd
[05:56] <Mez> are you a member yet bddebian ?
[05:57] <bddebian> Mez: An Ubuntu member?
[05:57] <Mez> yes
[05:57] <bddebian> Aye
[05:57] <Mez> thats goiod :)
[05:57] <bddebian> I have a cheerleading crowd?  Who is that? :-)
[05:57] <Mez> *shrugs*
[05:57] <Mez> whoever was cheerleading for you in the emails
[05:58] <bddebian> In what e-mails?
[05:58] <Mez> bddebian, on -devel
[05:58] <Mez> and your cheerleader would be dholbach
[05:58] <bddebian> Oh.. I really need to join some MLs :-)
[05:59] <Mez> lol
[06:03] <mbreit> okay, could someone please fix gtkmm? there are a lot of unmetdeps-package that depend on gtkmm and can't be compiled....
[06:03] <mbreit> or can even someone help me to fix it ;)
[06:05] <slomo> mbreit: what's the problem?
[06:05] <mbreit> slomo: try to apt-get install libgtkmm-dev
[06:06] <slomo> hmm
[06:06] <slomo> that's just unmet build-deps, right?
[06:06] <slomo> i.e. renamed libsigc++
[06:06] <mbreit> shouldn't be to hard to fix
[06:06] <mbreit> slomo: i think it has already been rebuild..
[06:06] <slomo> should be boring ;)
[06:06] <mbreit> but the -dev package has the old dependency
[06:06] <slomo> hmm
[06:06] <mbreit> okay, now i know what to fix ;))
[06:07] <slomo> let me guess: just the control file? ;)
[06:07] <mbreit> yea
[06:08] <slomo> ok, so it is boring :) the hardest part will probably be to find someone who uploads it for you ;)
[06:08] <doko> mbreit, slomo: the names of the -dev packages didn't change
[06:08] <mbreit> doko: i know
[06:08] <doko> ok
[06:08] <slomo> doko: sure, but they have hardcoded dependencies on the binary packages which got renamed
[06:08] <mbreit> but i thought it was that it depends on the old libgtkmm
[06:09] <mbreit> but that is right... but libgtkmm1.2-0c2 is broken, too
[06:09] <doko> slomo: in the debian/control file? strange ...
[06:09] <mbreit> okay, so gtkmm needs to be recompiled with libsigc++0c2
[06:10] <mbreit> i need the binary needs a new name then...
[06:10] <mbreit> i think the... ;)
[06:11] <slomo> mbreit: probably not... gtkmm was already renamed for cxxtransition so i think you should keep the name as is
[06:11] <mbreit> slomo: it has been recompiled against libsigc++0
[06:12] <mbreit> oh, that was \sh..
[06:12] <mbreit> but he's not around atm :(
[06:13] <slomo> mbreit: but what do you want to call it now? it's already c2... but for such things better ask someone else... imho a plain rebuild of gtkmm should solve this
[06:14] <mbreit> slomo: that's why i do not want to take the job atm....
[06:14] <mbreit> but i will fix some other packages when that's done...
[06:18] <mbreit> oh, and libgnomecanvasmm2.0-1 needs some love, too ;)
[06:18] <mbreit> that's pretending me from fixing passepartout (well, i fixed it already... but can't compile it)
[06:19] <slomo> preventing? btw, is all the MoM stuff already merged?
[06:19] <doko> slomo, mbreit: the packages are not yet rebuilt. please check the build logs
[06:20] <mbreit> doko: someone uploaded it already?
[06:20] <mbreit> doko: oh, i just saw that you have uploaded it last tuesday
[06:21] <mbreit> doko: but that is the version that is already in breezy... and is broken
[06:22] <doko> which package?
[06:22] <mbreit> gnomecanvasmm
[06:24] <doko> mbreit: do you mean libgnomecanvasmm2.0 ?
[06:24] <mbreit> exactly
[06:24] <doko> not yet built
[06:25] <mbreit> huh? oh, okay, i see i have got those version numbers wrong..
[06:25] <mbreit> 2.0-1 is the one i need, not the one i have ;))
[06:25] <mbreit> so you are right.. sorry
[06:26] <eruin> is the blam maintainer here?
[06:27] <mbreit> okay, i really need to get a shower now...
[06:27] <slomo> mbreit: have fun ;)
[06:28] <mbreit> thanks ;)
[06:29] <eruin> where should I submit bug reports for blam?
[06:29] <eruin> it's a universe package but I cant find it on malone
[06:33] <slomo> eruin: what version and what are the problems you have with it? ;)
[06:34] <eruin> breezy version, small cosmetic bug; the planet ubuntu url is wrong
[06:34] <eruin> it is .org , while it should be .com ;)
[06:37] <slomo> ok, fixed... someone wants to upload it for me? tseng?
[06:41] <eruin> :)
[06:42] <bddebian> slomo: You still don't have upload rights?
[06:43] <slomo> bddebian: nope... nobody approved at that meeting has ;) and \sh is missing main upload rights too
[06:44] <bddebian> slomo: Well \sh is a little dangerous so that is understandable.. ;-P
[06:48] <bddebian> What would be the harm in re-submitting all of the UnmetDep packages back to the buildds, just the overload on the buildd?
[06:50] <slomo> bddebian: the version numbers wouldn't be raised
[06:55] <bddebian> slomo: Well obviously I mean with a small/quick changelog change
[06:57] <mbreit> bddebian: besides the load on the buildd it will cost some traffic, because everyone will update to the new version ;)
[06:57] <bddebian> mbreit: Well they should anyway since the current version had broken dependencies :-)
[06:57] <mbreit> bddebian: then there has to be a new revision anyway
[06:58] <bddebian> Uhm....
[06:58] <mbreit> bddebian: or i understood you wrong
[06:59] <mbreit> but i have no time now, i have to get to the local lug meeting ;)
[06:59] <bddebian> I'm just saying an motu grabs the package, update changelog to build1 and re-submit :-)
[06:59] <bddebian> Oh, have fun :-)
[06:59] <mbreit> thanks!
[06:59] <slomo> mbreit: can you notice me when you leave your house ;)
[07:00] <mbreit> slomo: well, i will dry my hair then i will go
[07:02] <slomo> ok fine... i'll get ready in a few seconds
[07:02] <bddebian> You two are going together? :)
[07:02] <mbreit> bddebian: yes ;)
[07:02] <bddebian> Nice
[07:02] <mbreit> see you all later
[07:03] <bddebian> Later mbreit
[07:03] <slomo> someone wants to upload this small change? http://yggdrasil.sytes.net/files/debdiff/blam_1.8.2-2ubuntu2.debdiff
[07:05] <slomo> ok... see you all later :)
[07:05] <bddebian> Later slomo, enjoy
[07:05] <slomo> thanks bddebian :)
[07:10] <janimo> anyone knows what was decided re config.{sub,guess} in the debdiffs?
[07:10] <janimo> should I just remove them from the source?
[08:18] <bddebian> Where the hell is everyone today?
[09:26] <infinito> anyone knows who's in charge for MOTUToSync ?
[09:49] <tseng> hi
[09:49] <Burgundavia> salut tseng
[09:51] <bddebian> Heya tseng
[10:12] <chris^> Bin Pennen Jungs - bis morgen ;)
[11:37] <tseng> where's mez =/
[12:05] <slomo> tseng?